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CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hello, everyone, and welcome to "Amanpour." Here's what's coming up. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: November 8th at 7:30 in the morning, this town started to burn down, within 3 hours it was gone. AMANPOUR: Paradise found. As fires rage across California, Oscar-winning director, Ron Howard, shows us what happened to the people left behind. Then -- DON CHEADLE, ACTOR, "HOTEL RWANDA": I cannot leave this people today. AMANPOUR: -- a shocking twist for the real-life hero the world knows from "Hotel Rwanda." Why he's now under arrest in his own home country. Plus -- JAIME CASAP, FORMER EDUCATION EVANGELIST, GOOGLE: What I'm hoping that happens through this process is that all of a sudden, we see education as one of the most important priorities we can focus on. AMANPOUR: Google's education evangelist tells Ana Cabrera how schools can adapt to the pandemic. And finally, "Look at Me." How Iranian-American photographer, Firooz Zahedi, got from there to here and help define an era. Welcome to the program, everyone. I'm Christiane Amanpour in London. For weeks the skies over California have looked like this, an alternative universe. The wildfire blazes bleeding into the heavens. Dozens have raged through California, Washington and Oregon scorching millions of hectares of land killing residents and destroying homes, and climate change is the gasoline pouring all over these tinder boxes. This same horror show has played across the world, in Australia, the Amazon Rain Forest and even in the Artic Circle as extreme weather becomes ever more so. But what happens to people after the ashes settle? That is the focus of prolific director, Ron Howard's latest documentary, "Rebuilding Paradise," which follows the aftermath of the 2018 campfire there that killed 85 people. Here's a clip from the trailer. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The state's deadliest and most destructive wildfire in history. The Town of Paradise is basically ash. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I lost my house, too. I tell you what, it's not easy. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, it's not, but we're alive. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's not just that I lost my house, it's not that I lost my memories. My entire way of life is completely gone. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As hard as it is to say, I don't see the town coming back. AMANPOUR: Ron Howard, welcome back to the program. RON HOWARD, DIRECTOR, "REBUILDING PARADISE": Thank you. Good to be back. AMANPOUR: Well, I don't know whether you knew it was going to be in the news again, but here's your new documentary on the fire in Paradise, California. What made you actually want to do this film on that fire? HOWARD: I knew Paradise. My mother-in-law had lived there the last four years or so of her life. I had been there many times. I knew what kind of a town it was. You know, it's not a tourist destination, not an industrial center in any way, shape or form, not even logging anymore. It's a place where people wanted to be because they just loved it there, and they wanted to raise their families there. And, you know, like a lot of things, Christiane, we all see these images. They're horrifying. We feel empathy, we do what we can about it, or we don't and move on, but we move on. And in this case, of course, because it was personal to me, you know, my thoughts went deeper. And I turned to our team and said, is this a story to cover? What's going to happen when the news cameras leave? AMANPOUR: So, it has that personal gut punch for you, that personal relevance. But let's just remind people of the facts and figures. I think it's something like 150,000 acres were burned, almost all, 95 percent of all the structures, houses, whatever other structures were in that town were burned, and about 85 people lost their lives in this fire. You also, though, you know, from the very beginning, you have all these people talking about what it was like to nearly die in this raging fire, and yet, you also have them coming back, or at least a certain number of people coming back wanting to rebuild. I'm going to play a little clip to illustrate that. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got a Paradise permit to build my home at 1552 UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's exciting. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I guess it finally caught up with me. Yes, it's a big deal. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is a big deal. Very big. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, it's a big deal. New home. New beginning. AMANPOUR: So, it's obviously really emotional. They've had a near-death experience, but it's also that American thing that makes people want to rebuild, to stay, and the eternal optimism. What struck you most about the people there? HOWARD: Of course, I knew the people well or not personally, but a sense of who they were. Yes, they are this kind of rugged individualists. That's that brand of thinking and that is that kind of, you know, Americanism there. So, it was particularly devastating, of course, when their entire world is ripped out from under them. You know, the definition of, you know, what a productive day is completely changes, and they're very -- you know, they are people full of pride, as are most people most places. I think, you know, it does beg the question, and I think for them in many instances raise the question, what should we really expect, you know, from our government? What should we expect from government agencies? What kind of help is there for us? There was a sense, from people who had been on the fire safety committees and so forth, that they had done some of what they could do to try to prevent this kind of catastrophe, but not all they could do. AMANPOUR: Right. HOWARD: It couldn't get all of the ordinances through and so forth. And so, there was also a sense of regret for many people that only intensified sort of the PTSD they were all experiencing. AMANPOUR: It raises this question about what should we expect from our government? Many people, the majority of the world, actually, who believes in the catastrophic, cataclysmic advance of climate change believes the government should be doing more all over the world, but particularly in the United States. You seem to have shied away or deliberately stayed away in this film from making climate change political points. You do have a slightly -- a tiny little clip of President Trump, who was there, confuse the name Paradise, called it Pleasure. So, you put that in, but you usually stay away, don't you, from the climate change aspect of it? HOWARD: Well, I didn't view it as a polemic. To me it was sort of a case study and what does it mean afterward? Let's not politicize why it happened, that's not really for this film. I was interested -- because many people in the town believe different things. Not what it was about to me. It's certainly a factor, you know, and the science say it, and we say it, but so is the forest management, which we also spend some time talking about as well. In this case, PG&E caused it, they were culpable, they admitted it. In other instances, the horrible fires now are caused by, you know, either fireworks and lightning strikes and other things. So, the point is, these catastrophes are happening all around the world, and what does it mean to the individual? I was trying to build sort of a pathway to some empathy for audiences who hadn't really thought about it before. AMANPOUR: So, to that end, and you are a filmmaker, let's not forget, you sort of have a little bit of a happy ending solution to this documentary. We showed the gentleman who was getting the permit to rebuild his house, but also you go to a school, you see a new group of graduates. Let's just play this clip. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The fact that we are here tonight to celebrate this milestone is a miracle. Because you survived one of the most destructive wildfires in our nation's history. It left us a different people. You are the first generation of Paradise High School graduates to rise from the ashes of what life was, to take a bold step forward into a new and uncertain future. But with what you've been through, you have what it takes to persevere. Congratulations and good luck. AMANPOUR: Well, you know, I guess it's your traditional commencement fare, you know, inspiring and invigorating. But he also says, you know, an uncertain future. You've been through such a unique experience. Right now, we're seeing the biggest fire in California history raging. It's been raging since the beginning of September. Most of the most deadly fires have happened in California, you know, in the last decade. What do the people who you profiled say about their future? Not just those graduates, but have people seen the film? HOWARD: Yes, they have seen the film, and the response has been very positive. I think they felt the process of participating in the film, and I'm grateful in seeing the film to be cathartic and, you know, representative. Look, the town is much smaller than it was. It's going to be a long time before it's 26,000 people again. I think it's, you know, maybe 4,000 now. Coronavirus has not been particularly devastating for them, but, of course, it's a huge factor, and they were packing their things to get out of there 10 days or two weeks ago when one of the fires once again threatened the area. It turned and spared them this time. There is a lot of uncertainty. Some of people that we followed, you know, made it pretty clear they weren't going to stay. I found a couple of things that were interesting to me. The people who did want to stay and were committed, they were the ones that kept showing up at the functions. You know, whether it was a town meeting, whether it was the community memorial service or the Christmas tree lighting ceremony or their parade at Gold Nugget Day commemorating sort of the history of their town founding and so forth, those people who kept showing up also became the problem solvers in many ways, the ones who did have a shared vision of what they wanted. They weren't always politically on the same wavelength, but they did put that aside, you know, and they kind of beat city hall. I mean, they managed to find solutions, and it was often a struggle. And I felt like in a lot of ways, they were showing us what problem-solving can look like when people, you know, decide to come together in the middle and make something happen, something that they believe in. So, I do think there is a note of optimism in that, because those people are achieving, you know, kind of what their new dream is. AMANPOUR: I think -- I mean, to me it sounds like you're describing community, the notion of community, and certainly that has taken a battering in the United States and many other parts of the world as well, but certainly in the United States. COVID, we're now past 200,000 deaths, the biggest death toll in the world, and I know -- I believe your wife and maybe your daughter as well contracted COVID during the height of the virus. You were in lockdown but in proximity. I was touched by the fact that you stayed close to your wife, and you describe once she started to get better, you taking socially distant strolls that you describe as sort of Victorian era courtship strolls. Tell me what was that? HOWARD: Well, I was coming back from location where we had just finished filming "Hillbilly Elegy" in Atlanta, and it was -- you know, that all productions were stopped the night we were shooting. I came back. She, you know, had the fever and was having some of the symptoms but was not in horrible distress, thankfully, so I was staying in kind of my editing room that I have there in town. And I would -- yes, I just would show up and it was just great -- you know, it was great to see her. The first time when I came home, we didn't even do that, it was late in the day, and I just -- all we could do is sort of talk to each other through, you know, the glass door. And it was like a movie, you know, holding our hands up and all the corny -- all the tropes of what you might imagine. But it was really emotional. Thank God, you know, she navigated it well. AMANPOUR: Can I ask you, I'm sure you are fed up with being asked this, but you have been around for so long as a child actor, you know, then movie director and everything, a documentary filmmaker. I mean, I was in Iran growing up when I watched you as Opie on "The Andy Griffith Show" And then I was in boarding school when "Happy Days" was about one of the only things we were allowed to watch. And I loved it. HOWARD: I had no idea that ultra-Americana show "Andy Griffith Show" traveled anywhere outside of the United States. AMANPOUR: Oh, yes. HOWARD: So, that's amazing. AMANPOUR: Definitely to prerevolutionary Iran. But -- so, let me ask you. You know, you have said, and I'm interested in this, that there was a time when you felt a little bit threatened by being asked that all the time, that people put all that attention on you. But in recent years you said, I've come to appreciate my unique place in pop culture. You know, I think that's a very frank statement and it's a very accurate statement. I just want you to reflect for us, what do you think your place has been, and what has your massively long career contributed, which is a lot? HOWARD: Well, I always wanted, you know, my adult career to be as a storyteller, as a filmmaker, director and a producer. I'm partnered with Brian Grazer at Imagine Entertainment. We make all kinds of shows for all mediums. And it's a thrill to be around that, and that's really something that I've always wanted. And I always felt like that there -- you know, earlier in my life there was kind of this -- you know, both "Happy Days" and "The Andy Griffith Show," my earlier work, by referencing it, you know, was it creating a kind of limitation in people's minds as to what my capabilities, creative capabilities, might be and my capacity to do interesting work, you know, beyond those shows. Well, as I've been able to do that work and build Imagine and make projects that I'm proud of that are ambitious and travel the world making them, you know, I've just been able to realize that I -- hey, I achieved what I wanted, and I probably wouldn't have without that background. So, it's not a limitation, it was an asset. It's something that I can really cherish. And now, with many people, I have this kind of, you know, decades-long relationship that I now really value. AMANPOUR: Yes. HOWARD: Interestingly, when I was doing the "Beatles Eight Days a Week" documentary and I was -- we didn't get this on camera, but when we were doing press, I had a similar conversation with Paul McCartney about this. We were walking from one press conference to another, and I said, well, you really brought so much through your interviews, I really appreciate it. And he said, it's only been in the last couple years that I really felt relaxed talking about the Beatles, because I was always looking forward, and now, I feel like I can savor, you know, what we've accomplished. And so, that resonated with me as well. AMANPOUR: That's a great reflection, actually. And lest we, you know, be remiss in saying there has never been a successful child actor such as yourself who has progressed to be such a mogul. That's what's being written about you and that's true. You occupy a unique place in the pantheon. I want to ask you finally, because obviously we're in the midst of a whole new racial reckoning, and you've seen obviously the new Hollywood diversity standards, you've seen what Broadway stars and Broadway writers and theater teams want to recreate there to make it more representative. You know, you won best director for "A Beautiful Mind." Do you think you could have won it under today's new representative demands, and do you think this is going to work, more to the point? HOWARD: Well, that project probably wouldn't have qualified, you're right. And I don't know the details. It's possible I could work on a project then they could say, well, you don't actually qualify. But I don't think that would be the case, because I do -- again, in my heart, I really support the spirit of what they're trying to do, and I also think audiences are beginning to expect it, and I that think we are, in our own way, a kind of a service business. We have to speak to our audiences in ways that resonate for them. But I think you're right, I doubt if "A Beautiful Mind" would have met that criteria. But I really hope that in a very organic way that all my projects, in recent years and going forward, would meet that criteria. AMANPOUR: Well, that's great to hear from you. Ron Howard, thank you so much for joining us. HOWARD: Always a pleasure. Thank you. AMANPOUR: Such an impressive body of work. Now, Ron Howard did not make this movie, but "Hotel Rwanda" did inspire people trying to make sense of the heroes and villains during that nation's terrible 1994 genocide. Paul Rusesabagina became an international icon for his work saving more than 1,200 people who were trapped in his hotel there. While machete wielding marauders stormed around outside. In all, nearly a million people were killed in 100 days. In 2004, Paul's story won Oscar nominations. And in 2005, he was awarded the medal of freedom, America's highest civilian honor. It all seemed like your typical Hollywood happy ending. But earlier this month, the whole story turned upside down. Suddenly, he's arrested and charged with terrorism. He was in court again in Kigali, Rwanda today seeking bail. And joining me to understand this reversal of fortune is journalist and author, Anjan Sundaram, who has written extensively about the authoritarian political climate in Rwanda since the genocide. Welcome to the program. Can you -- this is an extraordinary story. Essentially, his family is claiming that Paul was kidnapped. He left his home in Texas. He thought he was going to neighboring Burundi to give an inspirational reconciliation speech, his experience with genocide, but that was interrupted and he was - - whatever they call, disappeared back to Rwanda. Tell me how that happened? ANJAN SUNDARAM, AUTHOR, "BAD NEWS: LAST JOURNALIST IN A DICTATORSHIP: Yes. So, I mean, there have been conflicting accounts of what exactly happened Paul, but the Union Rights organizations that I follow seem to indicate that Paul was forcibly extradited or kidnapped to Rwanda from Dubai, he was on route to Rwanda in Dubai, and six hours after he arrived in Dubai, he was bundled into a plane, and by his own account, he woke up in Rwanda. AMANPOUR: Let me just play this little clip. It is actually Paul inside the Kigali prison system and court system, giving an interview to the "New York Times" but he was surrounded by, you know, the law and order officials in Rwanda. Let's just listen to this clip. PAUL RUSESABAGINA: When I arrived in Dubai, there's someone from Burundi who was -- who had hired a private jet, and that private jet was supposed to take us from Dubai to Bujumbura. It took us from Dubai to Kigali. Well, I was taken somewhere, I do not know where. I was tied. My legs, my hands, my face. I could not see anything. I don't know where I was. Yes, after those three days I have been treated very, very well. Yes. I'm not complaining of anything. AMANPOUR: So, that's interesting. He gives a dramatic account of what happened, and then he says, I'm being treated very well, I'm not complaining about anything. We understand that he was -- you know, obviously there were government officials sitting in on that interview. What have you been able to learn? Any more about his treatment? SUNDARAM: I think one should look at this trial not expecting any justice from it, but rather seeing it as a show of force, Kagame's -- show of power by Kagame. And I would look back to the arrest and death of the singer, Kizito Mihigo, earlier this year. Kizito won the Havel Prize this year for creative dissent and he was found dead in the Rwandan prison cell. But shortly after he sang about killings that Kagame had conducted, he was accused of terrorism, evidence was produced that can't be challenged or verified in any open or transparent way, and he was produced much like Rusesabagina was in front of police officers and he began to incriminate himself. It became a farcical (ph) theater. And I would imagine some similar theater would be forced upon Mr. Rusesabagina in Rwanda simply so he stays alive. AMANPOUR: OK. Let us just say, in fact, what the government is saying. They have charged him with some 13 counts of terrorism, and they are saying that it's because of the movements that he started, MRCD, which is a coalition of groups opposed to the government, but they say a movement called FLN, or the National Liberation Forces, is a militia and that he is, you know, in charge of that. This is the government. Paul Rusesabagina was arrested in Kigali based on an arrest warrant issued in November 2018. He is, by his own admission, the political leader of the National Liberation Front militia. And in 2018, attacked villages along Rwanda's border with Burundi and killed at least nine civilians. He will stand trial on charges that include funding an irregular armed group, murder and recruitment of child soldiers. So, we've read all of this out because we actually wanted a government official and this is what we've got from them instead. But -- OK. Here we have a person played by Don Cheadle in the Hollywood movie "Hotel Rwanda" who, until now, there was never a chink in his story at all in his more than, you know, 25 years since the genocide and since all that happened. He was a hero, and he went around preaching what he learned in reconciliation. Why do you think this has happened? Why is the government saying that he will stand trial on terrorism charges? SUNDARAM: I think it's happening because Paul Rusesabagina is such popular and respected figure for his courageous actions during the genocide which makes him popular among Tutsis, among Hutus, a heroic figure in the international community, and therefore, a political threat to Kagame that Kagame want to neutralize. And I would emphasize that Rusesabagina and many other brave Rwandan politicians, opposition politicians have tried to engage and challenge Kagame in a free and fair way, in a democratic way, but Kagame has taken that possibility away. He's destroyed the democratic process. He won the last election in Rwanda by -- with 99 percent of vote. And so, it's become very difficult for people like Rusesabagina who wish to build Rwanda with a different vision that Rwanda that they believe would be better to challenge Kagame and enact that vision. AMANPOUR: So, you've written a lot about it. You wrote a book called, I think, "Bad News." You've written a lot about the political climate in Rwanda. And we've seen a lot of those pictures of Paul with all those dignitaries, but you could see equal and more pictures of Paul Kagame with dignitaries from all over the world who have praised him, who have supported him and who have funded him, because of guilt, for one thing, but because of all the indicators that he brought to -- in other areas, maybe not in political areas, but in all other indicators, raised Rwanda from the ashes of that terrible genocide. It is a real big dilemma for the international community. What happened, do you think, to Paul Kagame who legitimately can be praised for bringing his nation into such a strong position in that part of the world after that genocide, but as you say, has a very, very complicated and many human rights organizations say, a very poor record when it comes to opposition, democracy and pluralism, not to mention free expression in journalism? SUNDARAM: I think the tragedy for Rwandans today is that they're living now in a dictatorship, and 26 years ago, they experienced a horrific genocide that was also perpetrated by a dictatorship. So, Rwandans today again find themselves in a situation where future violence is more likely, and frankly, they don't deserve that. I think Kagame has received a lot of praise. I think what one should remember is that many dictatorships build schools and roads and hospitals. This is not particular to Rwanda. But what unites dictatorships is their destruction of democratic institutions that ensure stability, and many dictatorships are followed by chaos and violence, and that's the situation Rwandans face today, because Kagame has concentrated power himself. AMANPOUR: Clearly his family and all his friends in the human rights space and all his friends in the United States in the peace and reconciliation space are standing up and talking for him, Paul Rusesabagina I'm talking about. His family says, he stood up to soldiers and genocidal maniacs in 1994. Today, he stands up against a repressive regime, one which kills journalists, human rights advocates and political opponents. Here's a little clip of what his daughter said about his situation right now. CARINE KANIMBA, DAUGHTER OF RAUL RUSESABAGINA: Our father is a humanitarian. He's a human rights activist. He has done everything in his power to speak up for the voiceless, to speak up for the people are not heard and who are -- who have been persecuted by this government, and he has felt the consequences of it. The Rwandan government has gone after him for speaking up. He did not plan on going to Rwanda, which is why we stand by the fact that he was kidnapped. AMANPOUR: So, again, it is an extraordinary story. Anjan, what do you think is going to happen to Paul? SUNDARAM: He's certainly not going to get a fair trial. As his daughter mentioned, Kagame has destroyed all the democratic institutions in the country, the parliament, the free press, the judiciary. And so, what he's going to get based on historical events would be some kind of show trial that brings a respected and popular figure like Mr. Rusesabagina to his knees. And in doing so, Kagame is showing the world and Rwandans his power the price people pay for criticizing him. Many people around the world, opposition politicians, soldiers, journalists, have been found dead after criticizing Paul Kagame, have been found even beheaded, many of them languish in prisons. And Mr. Rusesabagina being an international figure of such standing is just the latest -- maybe more dramatic example of Kagame's reach, the fact that he was able to extraordinarily kidnap him in Dubai and bring to Rwanda when -- you know, I met Paul in the United States, and he was very careful. He knew very well the dangers that he would face him in Rwanda, and one can only hope that he will stay alive. AMANPOUR: Well, this story and Paul Rusesabagina's profile is very, very high, and many people are paying a lot of attention to it. Anjan Sundaram, thank you so much for joining me. And now the coronavirus pandemic has thrown education around the world into chaos, and for students and teachers to adapt to new and often frustrating ways of learning. But our next guest says that it's not all bad news. Jaime Casap spent years at Google working out how technology can be used to improve our learning experiences. Nicknamed the Education Evangelist, here he is talking to Ana Cabrera. ANA CABRERA, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Christiane, thank you. And, Jaime Casap, welcome to the program. JAIME CASAP, FORMER GOOGLE EDUCATION EVANGELIST: Thank you very much for having me. CABRERA: It's great to have you here. Obviously, this is such a stressful time right now for students and parents and teachers and school administrators. And yet you say the coronavirus pandemic is the greatest thing that's ever happened to education ever. How do you see it that way? CASAP: Yes, I tend to exaggerate for function, right? So, I think the education system has been doing an amazing job for a very long time, right? And it is one of those things that was set up to do a factory model type of economy, where we needed people to follow repetitive tasks. That worked well for a very, very long time. What's happened since is that the world has dramatically changed. And, because the world has dramatically changed, we need to look at the education system to make sure that that education system reflects what that new economy looks like. And so, because of the pandemic, what we're going to be going through is a whole bunch of new innovation, because, right now, we're trying to take the classroom model, where a teacher sits in the classroom or stands in the classroom in front of 30 students, and we're trying to replicate that online, where there's a teacher on a video, and 30 students trying to pay attention. And what's going to happen is that educators and education leaders and researchers are going to realize like this doesn't work, we're going to need to come up with something new. And so I think that's what's going to happen in the next couple months, is, you're going to start seeing some real new innovation in the education system. So I think that we needed this kind of push in education, or you would have seen gradual change, but it would have happened real slowly. And the world is moving too fast for that. CABRERA: How do you see the first step? What needs to happen right now, because, obviously, to get from here to there is a longer process and people are suffering right now. And the challenges are very real. CASAP: Yes. And, look, for those of us -- I have been in the education space for about 15 years. And when we launched Google apps into the K-12, or we launched Chromebooks, we're still talking about schools with computer labs. And now what we're noticing over the last couple years is this idea that we need to have one on one, just like you have a device, and I have a device, not just our phones, but a device where we can create things, right? The phone is great. And kids have phones, but it's very passive. What we need are devices in kids' hands, so that they can create things. And so one of the components that we need to do is to make sure that our kids, our students have access to the technology. And those of us that have been talking about equity in education for a very long time have been screaming about equity in education. And I think now there's a general public recognition that we have some real issues when it comes to equity in education. And so I think that awareness is going to lead to a lot of action. CABRERA: The awareness is there. But there's still the logistical challenges, one being funding, right? CASAP: Sure. Yes. CABRERA: That's a huge, huge challenge. We hear from state governments that they're looking at billions of dollars in projected budget deficits right now, $30 billion in New York, for example, $3 billion in a place like Colorado. And we have Congress deadlocked over another stimulus. CASAP: Yes. CABRERA: And so where does the money come from? CASAP: Yes, that's a great question. And I think that the -- that we start with the focus, right? And I think schools have always been a second thought, right? And I think, again, back to this awareness thing, not only do we have awareness around equity issues. I mean, I have teacher friends who are shopping in a supermarket, and people recognize her as a teacher, and they walk by her and they say, thank you for your service, like she's in the military, like there's this recognition that teachers are important, that education is important, that schools are important to our community, as opposed to as a second thought or this thing that we just took advantage of. And so I think it starts with this idea that the education system in our community should be the central point. And so I think that what I'm hoping will happen is that local governments, state governments, federal government and corporations that live in those communities start taking advantage of the fact that we see education or our schools as the center point of our community, and that we start funding those schools at the levels that we need, so that we have the right educators in place, so that we have the right technology in place, so that we have the right systems in place. Because everyone is starting to recognize that -- how important schools are. And, look, I -- money is one of those things that's always going to be an issue. But it really comes down to what our priorities are. And what I'm hoping that happens through this process is that, all of a sudden, we see education as one of the most important priorities that we can focus on. And that's always been something that we have wanted. And I think it's going to happen now. CABRERA: Let's talk about Chromebooks, because you have been part of that transformation when it comes to education. CASAP: Sure. CABRERA: And we are seeing a more widespread use of this kind of device. And you launched this several years ago. You couldn't have predicted what was going to happen now with this pandemic. Did you ever imagine the scale in which they'd be used? CASAP: No. So, when I -- so, I was at Google for 15 years, focused on education and trying to bring technology into education, mostly because I think it levels the playing field. I think it's a great equalizer when it comes to access to information. Information equals education. Having access to information as cheaply as possible is an important element to this. So, that was -- always been my focus when I was at Google. And so the Chromebook to me was this device that could not just benefit the user. Not only did it boot up in five seconds. Not only was it cheap. Not only was it easy to use. Not only could anyone use them. They were great for the administrator, because, when you're running a school, most schools are small schools. And so the tech director also happens to be the basketball coach and the history teacher. And when you throw 2,000 machines into a school, it gets complicated very fast. And so what I saw the potential of the Chromebook was that you could actually scale very fast. So you could have one person literally manage 120,000 Chromebooks in a school district. And that was going to benefit all the students and all the educators, because now they had access to all the tools that are out there, because everything that we do is now online. And so having access to all those resources, all that research, all those tools was an important element to this. And I think that's what the Chromebook did. CABRERA: We are fortunate where I live for our public school district to be able to issue Chromebooks to every student in the district in order to make this learning remotely work during the pandemic. However, I'm overhearing the lessons, and I too often hear the teacher having to brainstorm technology issues with the students right now, so, oh, the audio dropped out, oh, the link isn't working, oh, my Wi-Fi had a blip. And so I do worry that the quality of education and learning is suffering. Is that a concern of yours? CASAP: Yes, but I think the quality of education is suffering more because of what we're teaching students more than the technology. I think, again, the innovation is going to happen, right? So you have those bugs. Those things happen. Buttons aren't the right place. Those are easy to fix, right? Those are -- you go to Zoom and you say, hey, Zoom, there's people bombing our meetings. Oh, let's just set up a pass code. Those things are -- those things will get fixed. Those -- like bugs, those things will get fixed over time. I'm more worried about what we're teaching our students, right, because if what we're teaching students are things that machines can do better, we're failing them. So, right, so you got 45 minutes of chemistry, 45 minutes of history, 45 minutes of math, 45 minutes of literature. That that's not going to cut it, right? What we need to do is really focus on those human skills that our students need. But I think about my 6-year- old, and what the skills that I want her to have nothing to do with subject areas. It has to do with collaboration, problem solving, critical thinking, the ability to learn, creativity. Those are the things that our students need to know how to do, regardless of what the subject is. CABRERA: What you're saying is the importance of collaboration and problem solving. CASAP: Yes. CABRERA: And a lot of those types of things are developed in the classroom, aren't they, with those interactions between students, the ability for a student to ask a question of the teacher, the hands-on learning that takes place so often. So, are you advocating remote learning in place of in-class learning? Or do you see it being a little bit of everything? CASAP: Yes. No, I think it's a hybrid model, right, this combination of learning online, learning because you have a device in front of you, and then going out and doing it. That's just the way it's always been, and so going out and collaborating and doing it. And, look, you and I are having a conversation. We're collaborating over this topic, and we're doing it online. Would it be better if we sat in the same place face to face and we had that? Absolutely. But we got to -- we got to deal with what we have. And this isn't a long- term solution. This isn't something that's going to go on forever. But this idea of learning and then going and doing, and learning and doing, and what we have in schools right now, what your kids and what my kids have, isn't that, right? I know you -- we think that kids are in school collaborating, but they're not. They're sitting in the classroom quietly listening to someone speak for six hours, and that's not going to get us there. CABRERA: So, I'm hearing you say it's really important for students to learn how to use technology. CASAP: Yes. We have given this generation a pass, right? When I talk to students, I tell them that they have been lied to. We call this generation the digital generation. We call them the Internet generation. We tell them like, you are born with technology, you just know how to do it, you're natural at it. And it's not true. There's great -- Stanford has some great studies that show us that 80 percent of high school kids can't pick out the fake story out of four stories presented to them. Elementary school kids can't tell you what a sponsored news site is vs. a real news site. Like, we have to give them the skills that they need, not just how to touch buttons and how to use it, but how to access information, how to vet information, how to make sense of information, how to know whether something's credible or not. And we have we failed this generation, because we have told them that they're supposed to be good with technology, and so they don't turn around and ask us a lot of questions, because they -- we put in our head, that wait, I'm supposed to be good at this. But I don't know how fiber works. I don't know how Bluetooth works. I don't know how the Internet works. And so what we need to do is take a step back and really focus on helping them build the digital skills that they need. CABRERA: Let me take it a step further, though, because, again, in order to learn, you have to be able to focus on that learning. And again, in the time we're in, with the pandemic, there are bigger issues. It's not just access to technology. A report just got from UNICEF and Save the Children found this pandemic has led to 15 percent increase in the number of children living in poverty around the world right now. CASAP: Right. CABRERA: And they say that represents an additional 150 million children who don't have access, not only to education, but to housing and nutrition and health services, sanitation, even clean water. In fact, the CEO of Save the Children said this -- quote -- "This pandemic has already caused the biggest global education emergency in history. And the increase in poverty will make it very hard for the most vulnerable children and their families to make up for the loss." How do you make sure those most vulnerable children and communities aren't left behind, especially when some families are just trying to survive? CASAP: Yes. Look, I grew up -- I'm a first-generation American. I grew up on welfare and food stamps in Hell's Kitchen, New York, back in the '70s and '80s, when it was really -- when the name was deserved, right, back then. And I grew up poor. I grew up sometimes many months going by without electricity, some days without food. And so this is personal to me, right? This idea that people are growing up like, that kids are growing up like that anywhere in the world is something that I feel personally. I think that education is the key to this, right? And I think that we should focus on education. And I get that this is a terrible thing that's happening to us. But what I -- looking at this as a glass-half-full opportunity, the way we need to look at this is that education has to become a priority for us. It has to become something that we focus on, because that's the only thing, in my opinion, that helps students get out of poverty, is this idea of learning how to do stuff, learning how to skill, learning a craft, learning things. I mean, we have an opportunity, because we live in this world now where we have a long tail economy, where any kid can pick up a laptop and have a great idea, and then start that idea, and launch it, and have a business running, right? That's the world that we live in. CABRERA: I know you focus right now in your work on equity and diversity and inclusion, in partnership with higher education institutions and school systems. Why do you think communities of color are disproportionately impacted, with fewer education resources and opportunities than their white counterparts? CASAP: Well, there's a lot of reasons. And we can go back and -- we can go back to the 1800s to dive deeper into some of these reasons, the structural -- structural things that we have done in the education system. But, right now, the main thing that we can focus on is the funding issue, right, this idea that we fund school, we fund education based on zip codes, that, if you live in a great zip code, your school has a lot of money, but if you live in a bad zip code, your school doesn't have a lot of money, and it's all based on property tax. And that, to me, is the number one place that we can focus, because it shouldn't be that way. We don't find other public services like that, right? The police department in a rich neighborhood doesn't have better police cars than the police department in a poor neighborhood. They don't have bicycles, right? Like, it doesn't make any sense. And so I think the first thing that we can do is understand that we really have an equity issue. And what it means and the difference -- and many people think equity means equality, and that means that you have a rich school district and a poor school district, and we should fund them the same. That's not equity. Equity is understanding that this poor school district is going to need a lot more resources than the rich school district, because they're dealing with more issues, and we need to fund those schools appropriately. We need to make sure that the best teachers are there, the best resources are there, the best support structures are there. And that's what equity is. CABRERA: Let me end on this. What is your advice to students who are struggling with education right now? CASAP: Yes. So, I think -- when I think about education -- and, again, I always -- I do a lot of presentations. And I always start with this idea that education is what disrupts poverty. And what I mean by education isn't education system. I mean education, making yourself a better person, making yourself smarter. And so, for students who are struggling with education -- and I was one of those too, right? You don't really find yourself for a very long time. When I talk to students, this is the question. I don't ask them what they want to be when they grow up. That question doesn't make sense anymore. That question is an old world question. The question that I ask students is this: What problem do you want to solve? We're natural problem solvers. That's what we are as human beings. What problem do you want to solve? And if you don't know, spend some time thinking about the problem. It doesn't have to be a global problem. It doesn't have to be climate change. It can be how to make cars go faster, how to how to sell more widgets, whatever that is, but what's that problem that you want to solve? And then here's the important question for every individual person, every individual student. How do you want to solve that problem? How do you want to take your gifts, your talents, your passions and solve that problem? Because there's a million ways to solve problems and tackle problems. And then the last question I ask students is, what do you need to learn to solve that problem? What are the knowledge, the skills and the abilities that you have to have to solve that problem that you're passionate about? And here's the magic of the whole thing, is that everything that you need to learn, every skill that you want to develop is out there. And the Internet is a huge part of this. So, go out, determine what those knowledge skills and abilities are, and then go solve that problem in the way that you want to solve it that you're passionate about. And go do that. And that, to me, is what education should be about. CABRERA: Jaime Casap, thank you so much for your time. I appreciate the conversation. CASAP: Thank you very much for having me. AMANPOUR: And, finally, we turn to one of Hollywood's most celebrated photographers. After growing up in Iran and attending boarding school in Britain, Firooz Zahedi went from the diplomatic corps to art school to Andy Warhol's "Interview" magazine. Along the way, he became Elizabeth Taylor's friend and favorite photographer, and went on to capture images of all of Hollywood's royalty. Zahedi is out with a collection of his best work in a new book called "Look At Me." And he's joining me now from Los Angeles. Firooz Zahedi, welcome back to the program. FIROOZ ZAHEDI, PHOTOGRAPHER: Thanks. AMANPOUR: I guess I want to ask you, with that big -- I can see a wall of photos behind you. What took you from a pretty conservative upbringing in Iran to Hollywood? I want to read this quote. You said once: "Hollywood was a safe place, where people were colorful and well-dressed. They kissed each other and had happy endings." And you were a little bit obsessed with it, right, as a little boy? ZAHEDI: Well, the obsession came from the fact that, in the middle of the 20th century, Iran was going through a lot of political turmoil, and a very conservative government. And my family was a part of that government. So I picked up a lot of tension during the early '50s with what was going on without really understanding what was going on. And I just needed something to take me away from that. And we had movies. There were cinemas. We could go to the cinema. And I would see these beautiful images, colorful, happy. And I thought, that's where I want to be. I had no idea what Hollywood or America, for that matter, were, but I just wanted to be there. And as I grew up and became aware where it was, I had this thing in the back of my head, I'd like to still go there at some point. And I finally did it. AMANPOUR: Well, interesting, because that brings me -- and we're going to show a few pictures of some of your iconic work and some of the great stars who you photograph. So we will put those up as we chat. But the book is called "Look At Me." And I want you to tell me why you chose that title. ZAHEDI: For three reasons. The first reason is, as a photographer, when you direct someone to a sitting, you give them directions as to whether they should look to the left, to the right. And then you say, look at me, so you have eye contact. A second reason is, when you're working with celebrities, and shooting them for magazines or for an advertising campaign, they're doing that in order to promote a film, a music album, or a TV show or whatever. So they want you to look at them too. So they're saying, look at me. The third reason being, my very personal and, like, look at me, I made it, you know? I had no idea I would get to this point in my life. But I did. Somehow, I managed to get. Lucky me. Just look at me. AMANPOUR: Well, I think that's -- it's really interesting, that. And you almost are a throwback to a bygone era. I mean, I'm not saying that as if you're a dinosaur, but you worked with a camera and film, and when magazines were jam-packed with -- they were thick, the glossy magazines, "Vanity Fair," Vogue," all the other Hollywood magazines. You had all these amazing jobs, so to speak. What is the situation like now for that kind of work? ZAHEDI: Well, it's totally changed since the Internet came in to the picture, so to speak. I lived through the golden age of photography for magazines, the '80s '90s, the early 2000s. There was a big budget. Magazines had a lot of advertising, so they could splurge on getting good photographers, good hair and makeup people, fly people around the world to do stuff. But they don't have that budget anymore, because everybody's shifted to the Internet with -- for advertising purposes. Nobody buys magazines anymore. And if you look at them, they're very skimpy, "Maxim," 100 pages maybe. I'm primarily talking about magazines to do with style, fashion magazines, or magazines like "Vanity Fair." They really don't have that readership. Nobody goes to a newsstand anymore and stands there looking through magazines and buying one. Everyone just clicks on the computer and goes on the Internet. And most of the magazines have switched to having an online magazine. So things have shifted. And I'm so happy I lived through that phase and enjoyed it and profited from it, not just financially, but what it was just a unique era to go through. AMANPOUR: And the unique stars actually of that era, I mean, we have got beautiful pictures that you have shot, Meryl Streep, Goldie Hawn, Diana Ross, so many others. And we're going to put some of them up. What was your big breakthrough? I know, you went to Andy Warhol and "Interview." You became very close friends with Elizabeth Taylor. We have talked about that. And she features in this book quite heavily. But who gave you your first real job? I think it was Tina Brown of "Vanity Fair," right? ZAHEDI: What happened was, yes, I had the advantage of knowing Andy and working with "Interview" magazine. I had the advantage of having Elizabeth as a friend and a mentor, a mentor who took me to Hollywood when she was doing a movie. She took me as her photographer. But once she left, and I stayed in L.A., it was really hard. I had to go back to the bottom and raise myself up to the level I did. And at one point, a photo editor at "Vanity Fair" saw one of my photos in "Interview" magazine and decided to give me a break to work with the magazine. So I got an opportunity. I started again doing little shoots for "Vanity Fair." Then they gave me bigger ones, bigger ones. And then, at one point, Tina decided that, you know what, I qualified to have a contract with them, because not only did I do beautiful actresses and movie stars, but I also did other subjects, regular people, who didn't look like movie stars. And I sort of delivered with those images, too. So she felt I qualified to do both. And, therefore, I got a contract. So, I really am grateful to her for that break. AMANPOUR: And, of course, she's part of the formidable couple, Tina Brown and Harry Evans. And he was the great, great editor of his time, and he passed, sadly. So, it really is -- does feel like an era that's coming to a close. You also shot the "Pulp Fiction" poster, Uma Thurman, famous, iconic poster of the '90s. And I just want to ask you. I mean, you're an Iranian boy done good. AMANPOUR: I think many in the community can celebrate. Just in one minute, sum up what you want to do with this collection. You want to also tell the story behind the story. ZAHEDI: You mean the collection of photographs that are in the book... AMANPOUR: Yes. ZAHEDI: ... photo? AMANPOUR: Yes. ZAHEDI: Well, this book is basically my thank you to the people I worked with, my thank you to the editors, art directors, the celebrities. It's not so much -- I gave several pages per person in the book, because I just really wanted to thank them, and just relive the experience of those years. I put a bit of a distance between the years I did all those photographs. And now I went and did various other kinds of photography. I had exhibitions, what they consider fine art photography. AMANPOUR: OK. ZAHEDI: But I thought, you know what, that was a great period of my life. I can't just throw it away. I have to pay tribute to it. AMANPOUR: Well... ZAHEDI: And so that's why I did this book. AMANPOUR: And it's marvelous. Firooz Zahedi, thank you so much. "Look At Me." ZAHEDI: Thank you. Thanks for having me. AMANPOUR: And that is it for now. But we want to leave you tonight with a truly trailblazing woman. She is Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, of course, who, in death, crosses one more frontier, making history as the first woman ever to lie in state at the U.S. Capitol. It is America's final formal farewell before a private burial at Arlington National Cemetery, alongside her late husband, Marty. Thank you for watching, and goodbye from London. END

Wildfire Continues to Rage in California; Ron Howard, Director, "Rebuilding Paradise," is Interviewed About Wildfires in California; Paul Rusesabagina Arrested and Charged with Terrorism; Anjan Sundaram, Author, "Bad News: Last Journalist in a Dictatorship," is Interviewed About Paul Rusesabagina and Rwanda; Interview With Photographer Firooz Zahedi; Future of Education.

Die Waldbrände in Kalifornien wüten weiter; Ron Howard, Regisseur von \"Rebuilding Paradise,\", wird über die Waldbrände in Kalifornien interviewt; Paul Rusesabagina wird verhaftet und des Terrorismus angeklagt; Anjan Sundaram, Autor von \"Schlechte Nachrichten: Der letzte Journalist in einer Diktatur (Bad News: Last Journalist in a Dictatorship),\" wird über Paul Rusesabagina und Ruanda interviewt; Interview mit dem Fotografen Firooz Zahedi; Zukunft der Bildung.

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: The CDC now forecasts that 20,000 more people will die from coronavirus in just the next three weeks. This morning, nearly half the country is seeing a rise in coronavirus cases. If you look at your screen, you see almost all of the west and the Midwest there in orange and red. Joining us now is Dr. Sanjay Gupta; CNN chief medical correspondent. So Sanjay, I know you don't like to start the morning with these kinds of dire predictions, but it gets even worse. I mean, the one that has gotten my attention this morning is the IHME model that shows that -- OK -- SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes -- CAMEROTA: It took us eight months to get to the jaw-dropping death toll of 200,000 people. What they project is that in just the next three months, by the end of the year, we're almost going to double that. The number that they're using now is 371,000 people. Now, they also say that if we were at 95 percent mask-wearing in the country, we could bring the death toll down by a 100,000 people. But we're only at 48 percent of the country wearing masks. GUPTA: So, there you have the projection, you have the problem and you have the potential plan. Things that we've been talking about now for seven, eight months, Alisyn. You know, so it's a real issue, you know, this idea that there are some basic public health measures that can make such a big difference, but we're still not doing it. And I think many of these models now, we follow that one, we follow other models, are sort of really starting to create these models based on the fact that they don't believe that Americans are going to start doing the mask-wearing and abiding by some of these public health measures. So, that's pretty tragic. You know, if you look at that model more carefully, and I spent some time talking to Chris Murray about this. What you see is that there's a gradual, right now, increase in the number of cases that people are getting infected every day, but then you start to get some significant spikes going into October. And then by December, again, if you follow that model, there's some 3,000 people, they project, that die per day in the month of December. And that's how they get to that tragic number of doubling the number of deaths right now. I'll just show you this, from 1918, again, just as a reminder, and I only show it because it's the closest model we really have to what's going on now. But you can see there, to your point, you see that first wave, that was about 75,000 people died. The population of the country was about a third of what it is now. Then they really brought the numbers down, much better than we have this time around. But then they got into September-October, and you saw those significant spikes, and that really led to the problem that we're seeing in 1918, and that's what they're trying to avoid now. JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: It's pretty frightening when you look at this graph and you also look at IHME machine model, Sanjay, and you look at what's happening today, where you do see the number of daily new cases rising. It is starting to rise again and it is troubling. There's another story going on right now, which is very important and you've been focused on, which is the vaccine approval process. And the FDA has been discussing these new guidelines for approving a vaccine, which might delay ultimate approval. It will require a two- month gap between when people in the trials receive their last dose of the vaccine and when a vaccine could be approved. Now, the president has said he could overrule this. You talked to Dr. Anthony Fauci, now, I want to play this sound where Dr. Fauci said I think pretty clearly, is given a choice between the president's opinion on this and the FDA's opinion on this, he takes the FDA's. Listen. GUPTA: But what would you do if you really felt with regard to this critical issue of the vaccine, that for political reasons, they were not abiding by FDA guidelines that made sense? ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY & INFECTIOUS DISEASES: If the FDA career scientists come out and say, this is what we should do, these are respected, trained people who are much better at models and statistics and all that other stuff than any of us are. If they look at it and say, we really feel strongly we should go this way, I would back the scientists. I would have to do that, as a scientist. And I would express that. BERMAN: This qualifies as one of those subtle, but strong statements from Dr. Fauci out there. GUPTA: Yes, I mean, he's always careful in terms of how he presents these things. But that was after a few times of sort of asking this question with him. It's very clear how he feels about this, and frankly, how a lot of public health officials feel. The FDA has set this benchmark, which, by the way, is still a very aggressive benchmark, in terms of speed. But what they're basically saying is, we want to wait at least two months to make sure that the vaccine is safe. We saw what happened with, you know, the trial participant in England. We want to make sure we're not seeing rare side effects that become really amplified as you give this vaccine to more and more people. It makes a lot, you know, makes a lot of sense. And two is again, a very aggressive timeline. What you heard, what you're talking about is the fact that the president said those guidelines that the FDA is putting forward, they may not approve, which means that they may not necessarily wait that two-month time frame. BERMAN: Interesting. Also interesting that an incredible sweeping staircase that was behind Sanjay -- CAMEROTA: Yes -- BERMAN: During -- CAMEROTA: What a backdrop, Sanjay -- BERMAN: That interview -- CAMEROTA: That's Sanjay's -- BERMAN: Yes, nice pad -- GUPTA: Trying to keep it interesting for you. BERMAN: With the back cave there -- GUPTA: Yes -- BERMAN: Or something. All right, Sanjay, thanks so much for being with us, appreciate it. GUPTA: You got it. Thank you. BERMAN: Portland, Oregon, bracing this morning for both left and right-wing demonstrations planned for tomorrow. CNN goes to the front lines, next.

CDC Forecasts 20,000-Plus More Deaths in Next 3 Weeks

CDC prognostiziert 20.000 und mehr Todesfälle in den nächsten 3 Wochen

疾控中心预测，未来3周将有2万多人死亡

ZAIN ASHER, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Let's take a look here. We have had big swings on the Dow every single day this week. Today is no exception. The Dow is up 300 points or so, boosted by tech shares especially. But we are still on track for four straight weeks of losses. Those are the markets. And these are the reasons why. U.S. investors are betting on a Joe Biden presidency ahead of the first debate. France now has more than half a million coronavirus cases. And Facebook is struggling to stop election misinformation. I will speak to the co-chair of its new oversight board. Coming to you live from New York, it is Friday, September 25th. I'm Zain Asher and this is QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. Tonight, as Donald Trump tries to undermine confidence in the U.S. election, investors prepare for a Joe Biden presidency. There are now just 39 days until Election Day and President Trump is once again casting doubt on whether or not he is going to be accepting the results. He says the only way he will lose is if the contest is rigged. Meantime, a new survey shows Wall Street expects Joe Biden will take the White House. Those same investors say that if Democrats also manage to take full control of Congress, higher taxes and more regulation could wreck their bottom line. And yet, the finance industry is funneling five times more cash to Biden's campaign than to Trump's. Certainly, a pivotal week is ahead for American politics. On Saturday, we expect Donald Trump will unveil his nomination to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court. Next Tuesday is the first debate between the President and Joe Biden. And after Wednesday, bailout measures preventing layoffs will expire for several sectors including aviation. Lots to talk about here. Peter Spiegel is in New York for us. He is the U.S. Managing Editor at "The Financial Times." Peter, thank you so much for being with us. So much hangs in the balance right now for the U.S. economy. Obviously, you've got coronavirus cases, 200,000 deaths here in the U.S. You also have got uncertainty around the election, and a whole host of other issues, including stimulus. If, come November 3rd, there is no stimulus deal, there is uncertainty as to who the winner is when it comes to the U.S. President and the coronavirus is still raging on, as it appears it will be, what happens to the U.S. economy then? PETER SPIEGEL, U.S. MANAGING EDITOR, "THE FINANCIAL TIMES": Well, let's unpack some of this stuff because there are three things as you said that could impact the markets and are impacting the markets. So, in terms of election turmoil, I think that's the one thing the markets are not prepared for. As you said, most investors are anticipating a rather smooth transition to power to Biden. And again, as you said in your intro there, there is concern about higher taxes and more regulation. But to be honest with you, what the markets always want is certainty. And what we have seen frankly in the Trump administration, particularly when we talk to some of sources in the M&A world is mergers and the regulatory environment have been so chaotic that they actually don't know even though Trump tends to be more pro-business what the Trump White House will decide on any business regulations. So, frankly a lot of investors are looking forward to a Biden presidency even if it may be a little bit more anti-business because at least there is some certainty and coherence in there. So, if there is turmoil in the election itself, I think that could spook the markets. The other issues you pointed at, I think, you know, in terms of in the sense that fiscal stimulus is running out, as you said, some of the measures are beginning to fall off a cliff, this is what has kept the markets on an upswing. We have seen the tech stocks go up because of it, because they feel that the economy is basically kept frozen, for a lack of a better word, throughout the pandemic. If Congress cannot agree on a new fiscal stimulus, we are going to be hearing from a lot of people in banks and other financial institution. They are very worried that there would be a crack in the system either through commercial real estate because people stop paying rents or through the airlines as you said, suddenly they are going to start having to file for bankruptcy. So there is a lot of concern, restaurants, the leisure industry, the hotel industry. There is concern if there is no fiscal stimulus somewhere in the next six to eight weeks, we could see things begin to collapse. So I would say those are the two things that are most nerve wracking. Yes, people are still worried about the pandemic, but there is a lot of optimism that someone, be it Moderna or be it AstraZeneca, there is going to be some form of a vaccine in the next six months to 12 months. So, you hear less concern about that than the other two issues you're talking about, you know, fiscal stimulus and election chaos. ASHER: OK, you've given me a lot to digest there. I just want to touch on the first thing you talked about which is, investors basically anticipating a Joe Biden presidency. The fact that you have Donald Trump intimating that you know, there might not be a peaceful transition, that he might not accept the results if he doesn't win -- are markets at least beginning to price in that factor, that we may not get a smooth transition of power in this country? SPIEGEL: Not yet. Not yet. I think it is too early. I mean, political risk is always something that's out there regardless. Usually it is not the U.S. Usually these are developing countries, when investors look at developing in Sub Saharan Africa or Latin America or some of the developing economies in Asia. Political risk is something that weighs in on their investment decision. It usually does not have to happen in the U.S. So, I don't think you're seeing that. As you said, this has been a pretty bad month for tech stocks. Today, I think, the Dow is up, but tech stocks in general have been taking a beating. I think that is more to do with this issue of the real economy and whether there is going to -- we are starting to see cracks in the real economy and whether frankly Wall Street has gotten ahead of Main Street. I don't think you are seeing decisions being made just yet on political instability. I still think there is a confidence in the system and in the institutions of government that even if there is an interregnum like there was with Bush/Gore and the Florida recount, even if there is legal challenge that last into December, that there will be uncertainties. But think, at this point at least, despite the President's rhetoric, we haven't seen those kinds of things priced into the market just yet. ASHER: OK, and in terms of stimulus, assuming that there is no stimulus bill passed before November 3rd what happens to consumer confidence? What happens to consumer spending especially just given that you have so many people, millions of Americans who have come to depend on the extra $600.00 a week in terms of unemployment insurance. SPIEGEL: So we have our own poll we have done this week. It is called the FT/Peterson poll where we actually asked this very question and we saw that 90 percent of Americans said they need some kind of fiscal stimulus for exactly the reasons you said. What we are seeing is that after the summer when we saw all these spikes in coronavirus cases in Arizona, in Texas, in Florida, the concerns about health and the virus itself are beginning to abate. We are seeing people more optimistic about their local communities getting better and where the concerns are rising is in this area of their own personal finances and the economy in general. About a third of the people we polled said they think the economy is going to get better in the next year, and that's the worst number we have seen since we started polling on coronavirus about six months ago. So there is a shifting of concern, and I guess, in terms of dynamic of the election, to some extent that's good news for Trump. Right? If people are less worried about the pandemic in general, they are less likely to go to the polls and blame him for doing it badly. On the other hand, if they are worried about the economy -- and this is the thing that Trump thought he would run on, right -- if they are more concerned about the economy and his handling of the economy, that's good for Biden. And so I think it is a bit of a mixed bag for the President and a mixed being for Biden right now if the economy continues to really look bad, if the fiscal stimulus doesn't happen, if people start getting really nervous, they are going to take it out on the President and I think that ultimately will help Joe Biden. ASHER: Yes, and one of the other points in your survey was that basically of Americans think that Trump has done a great job on the economy, the other half don't. So split down the middle and just really clear that this is a divided country. Peter Spiegel, live for us there. Thank you so much. All right, we are closing out a volatile week on Wall Street. After starting the session in the red, the Dow is now marching higher. It is up about one percent. The index is likely to close down more than two percent for the week. However, the fourth down week in a row. Cristina Alesci follows politics and business. She is joining us live now from New York. So, Cristina, we have seen a choppy week in terms of U.S. markets here. I am assuming it is only going get more volatile as we head towards the election. CRISTINA ALESCI, CNN BUSINESS POLITICS AND BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Zain. The S&P 500 right now is on track for its fourth weekly decline, and this is essentially reality and uncertainty setting in at the same time. Reality because we have seen such a euphoria around these indices and these Big Tech stocks. And essentially, what has happened is, reality is sinking in to investors because they see Washington not focused on stimulus negotiation, getting cash in the hands of Americans that is to support consumer spending. That is the backbone of the U.S. economy. It is what is driving the recovery right now. And uncertainty because there is much talk from the President himself about this question over the peaceful transfer of power. And the chaos -- look, all investors, all of my sources I have been speaking to have told me that they are concerned that there won't be a clear winner on Election Night. They were kind of wrapping their heads around that possibility. But now, if we have a contested election or the results are drawn out for weeks and there are litigation and legal fights in the weeks to come, then that's a completely different thing. And I think your guest alluded to this in the answer before. You know, they haven't even begun to really price that in yet. So that's what's coming forward, and then you know, you have to look at what the Fed has been doing to really support the economy not just in terms of keeping interest rates low, but also in buying government bonds and really supporting the credit markets and keeping the wheels of finance well-greased. On that front, investors really wanted to see the Fed amp up its asset purchases and that's the one thing that Chairman Powell really didn't answer in his press conferences and in the Hill testimony over these last couple of weeks when he has made those public appearances. And that's because the Fed is worried about this K-shaped recovery that everybody is talking about where you have, you know, the upper middle class and the wealthiest Americans doing much better in this economic recovery than the lower middle income classes. And that has been a concern for the Fed and that's why they have held off on the amount of asset purchases that investors would really like to see them do -- Zain. ASHER: Yes, income inequality has been a massive problem during this pandemic. Cristina Alesci live for us there. Thank you so much. Even with the coronavirus vaccine, a full economic recovery could be a long way off. That's according to economist, Joseph Stiglitz. He is a Nobel Prize winning author of "People, Power, and Profits." I spoke with him earlier about what it will take to restore business activity and consumer confidence. JOSEPH STIGLITZ, FORMER CHAIRMAN, U.S. COUNCIL OF ECONOMIC ADVISERS: Even when we have a vaccine, we don't know how effective it's going to be. We don't know how long it's going to last. You know, we get a flu shot every year and that flu shot is only about 70 to 80 percent effective. So there are a lot of unknowns. You know, the President oversimplifies when he says there is going to be a vaccine as if every vaccine is a hundred percent effective and lasts a lifetime. Clearly, he doesn't know much about vaccines. So that's the first thing. Unless we have an answer to those questions, we don't know whether the pandemic is totally under control. The second thing is that there has been an enormous amount of misinformation and of course, Trump is one of the strongest propagators of this kind of misinformation. Misinformation has led to a large fraction of Americans feeling reluctant to take the vaccine. They don't trust the President, and the President is a mendacious person, and the number of lies make it clear -- why should we trust him? For better or for worse, that's the reality we have to deal with. The third point is that there is a lot of damage to the economy that has already been done. And the failure of the Republicans to give the necessary life support to the system, to provide unemployment insurance, to help the state and local governments, to help our educational institutions means that in the best of circumstances, it is going to be a weak recovery. But that means that people are going to be very nervous how long it will take for the economy to fully recover. And because they will be nervous, they will be acting, as you suggested, in a precautionary way. And that's a vicious circle because they are acting in a more precautionary way, they won't be consuming as much, they won't be investing as much and the economic weaknesses as a result will persist longer than otherwise would have been the case. ASHER: The U.K. is bordering on a second wave. There has been a significant number of cases that have increased in recent days. Every country has to ask themselves how on Earth do they balance the financial pain of a lockdown with the prolonged economic pain of a dramatic spike in cases? How do you sort of deal with that as a national economy? STIGLITZ: Well, looking across the economies all over the world, there is a very, very clear pattern, maybe one or two exceptions. The countries that have brought the disease under control, have managed to resuscitate the economy. The countries that have not brought the pandemic under control have not been able to resuscitate the economy, and the economies just get weaker and weaker. So New Zealand, South Korea, even China have done a very good job of controlling the disease and their economies are doing reasonably well. The United States and the U.K. have not done a good job in controlling the disease. So I would like to make it very clear. It's not the lockdown that is causing the slowdown in the economy. It's fear. You know, in the Great Depression, FDR said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself," but the reality is in the middle of a pandemic, we fear for our life and we have fear about the future of the economy because we know that if people are afraid, the economy can't be strong. So that's, to me, the first priority should be our lives and is protection of -- control of disease that will be the mechanism by which we get our economy going. ASHER: All right. Still to come here, the head of Africa's C.D.C. tells CNN the continent has made huge strides when it comes to COVID. And a new effort to stop panic buying in Britain as coronavirus cases surge. We are live in London with you next.

As Trump Undermines Election, Wall Street Plans for Biden Win; Dow Rises Friday, Still Headed for Fourth Straight Down Week

Da Trump die Wahl untergräbt, hofft die Wall Street auf einen Sieg von Biden; Der Dow steigt am Freitag, aber er geht die vierte Woche in Folge auf Talfahrt

因特朗普破坏大选，华尔街计划让拜登取胜；尽管周五道指上涨，但连跌四周趋势未改

BLITZER: While of course the vast majority of the people infected with the coronavirus survive, some, some of those survivors are experiencing some long-term health effects. CNN's Brian Todd is joining us right now. Brian, I understand some of these long-term effects are rather severe. BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Some are severe, Wolf, even debilitating and Dr. Anthony Fauci and other top experts are warning tonight that some of those effects could last a lifetime. MICHAEL REAGAN, COVID-19 LONG HAULER: Nowhere near my normal self. TODD (voice-over): Michael Reagan was a healthy athletic 50-year-old when he was struck with coronavirus back in March. The virus itself body slammed him. He says he spent two months in and out of the hospital. But tonight, more than four months after he began to recover, Reagan tell CNN he still feels horrible lingering effects, like seizures, heart problems, nerve damage known as neuropathy, and even memory loss. REAGAN: It wasn't until that, you know, I was generally doing better. But I started to notice a lot of the other symptoms. And I know other people must feel the same. TODD (voice-over): Indeed, experts say, there could be hundreds of thousands of so-called long haulers like Reagan experiencing medical problems they didn't have before getting COVID, problems which have lasted for months. And America's top voice on infectious disease now warns some COVID survivors could experience those problems for the rest of their lives. Dr. Anthony Fauci specifically cited the possibility of irregular heartbeats or the heart failing to pump enough blood to the rest of the body. FAUCI: They could wind up when you have inflammation, you could have scarring, that could lead to a TODD (voice-over): Fauci also said it's possible some of those problems could clear up. But experts are worried tonight about other possible lifetime illnesses, which could be sparked by COVID cases, DR. ROCHELLE WALENSKY, CHIEF OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES, MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL HOSPITAL: Not just in their heart, but in their lungs, in their brain, as well as in their heart and even other organs as well. And so, those manifestations can be that of scarring. Once you have inflammation, you can get scarring. TODD (voice-over): Diana Berrent, another long hauler, who's been recovered for more than five months says she and her doctor believe her recent problems are directly related to her bout with coronavirus. DIANA BERRENT, COVID-19 LONG HAULER: I have GI issues, I have deep inner ear pain headaches, I was just diagnosed with, you know, COVID onset glaucoma. TODD (voice-over): Experts say there is still so much they don't know about the long-term after effects of COVID that the research is still inconclusive. But they keep discovering new offshoots. WALENSKY: We never necessarily expected we'd have skin manifestations and kidney manifestations and manifestations in the GI tract. TODD (voice-over): Doctors are also worried about the long-term mental health effects of the virus. One expert believes there's a clear link to depression. DR. AMY COMPTON-PHILLIPS, CHIEF CLINICAL OFFICER, PROVIDENCE HEALTH SYSTEM: It's very hard to know whether or not it is a side effect of the actual infection of getting the germ into the body itself. Or it's because of all the wraparound problems that come with that COVID has reaped, you know, from family disruption to economic disruption. TODD: Dr. Amy Compton-Phillips says her health group Providence is working with a mental health foundation called the Well Being Trust to look at the long-term mental problems associated with coronavirus. And they've come up with a disturbing calculation. She says they estimate that in addition to the purely physical deaths associated with COVID, there could be an additional 150,000 deaths due to despair, with more people turning to substance abuse and possibly becoming suicidal. Wolf? BLITZER: Very depressing indeed. Brian Todd reporting for us, thank you. Breaking news next, new details emerging right now of what sources say is President Trump's intention to nominate Amy Coney Barrett to the U.S. Supreme Court. We'll be right back.

New Warnings About Long-Term Effects Of COVID-19.

Neue Warnungen vor langfristigen Auswirkungen von COVID-19.

关于新冠肺炎疫情长期影响的新警告。

SMERCONISH: Say her name, Breonna Taylor. Two Louisville police officers were shot Wednesday night as protesters marched following news that a grand jury did not charge three officers directly with Taylor's death. Police shot Breonna Taylor in her home while executing a search warrant six months ago. The grand jury indicted detective Brett Hankison on first degree wanton endangerment charges, accusing him of blindly firing shots that penetrated the walls of a neighbor's apartment, but ultimately no one is being held responsible for the death of the 26-year-old. Was this the right call? It's a complicated case that begs scrutiny. the incident that led to her death began when police were executing a search warrant in a narcotics investigation centered around Taylor's ex-boyfriend. In the early hours of March 13, Taylor was sleeping next to her current boyfriend, Kenneth Walker III. They heard a noise. Walker told investigators they both got up and walked to the door yelling at the top of their lungs asking who was there. He says they heard no response. Police maintained that they did announce themselves. "The New York Times" questioned a dozen neighbors from the night in question, found only one who heard police before entering. They forced enter into Taylor's home and Walker said he fired off a shot as soon as the door blew open and before he could see who it was. In response, the three officers at the scene fired more than 30 rounds collectively. Here was Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron on the two officers who were not charged. DANIEL CAMERON, KENTUCKY ATTORNEY GENERAL: As our investigation showed and the grand jury agreed that Mattingly and Cosgrove were justified in the return of deadly fire after having been fired upon by Kenneth Walker. SMERCONISH: This is important to note, Walker was also justified in firing his first and only shot as he thought it was a home invader and had every right to defend Breonna Taylor's residence. Bottom line is this. This was a terrible outcome. Breonna Taylor did not deserve to die. She was caught in the crossfire between individuals exercising their respective rights at self-defense, but the decision not to charge any of the officers with her death was probably the right legal call. "Washington Post" opinion columnist Radley Balko write a piece titled "Correcting the misinformation about Breonna Taylor." His take is similar to my own, that the wanton endangerment charge was probably justified, but he notes that doesn't mean the conversation should end there. Quote, "Taylor's death was not, as Cameron suggested, simply a tragedy for which no one is to blame. The police work in this case was sloppy, the warrant service was reckless. Taylor is dead because of a cascade of errors, bad judgment and dereliction of duty and it is important that the record on this be clear." Radley Balko joins me now. By the way, he's the author of a terrific book, "Rise of the Warrior Cop." Radley, what is the biggest misperception online, Twitter verse, social media? RADLEY BALKO, OPINION COLUMNIST, THE WASHINGTON POST: Well, I think Cameron probably fed the biggest misperception and that is that, you know, when he said that a witness heard the police announce themselves and therefore he just sort of declared that they did knock and announce themselves and therefore, Taylor and Walker should have known that the police were at the door. He didn't go quite that far, but by saying it so definitively that they knocked and announced, that was the implication and, you know, hearing that -- I remember sitting on my couch and watching that press conference. It sounded like he was transferring sort of the blame for all of this on to Walker and this is the man who just lost the woman he loved and it just seemed sort of unnecessarily cruel to this guy who's going through a lot right now. That raid should never have happened. Breonna Taylor was only a tangential part of this investigation and one thing I pointed out in the column is that, you know, at some point, they apparently decided that she was what they called a soft target or a soft threat and so they originally got a no-knock warrant which we can -- we can get into if you want which was illegal actually, but then they decide that she's a soft target. Well, if she -- if they hadn't decided that and they had gone ahead with the no-knock, it would have been exercised -- the warrant would have been served by a very highly trained SWAT team, there would have been an ambulance nearby, but because they decided she was only a soft target, it was -- the warrant was served by these police officers in street clothes who kicked down the door, who aren't nearly as well trained in these kinds of tactics and in fact, there was an ambulance there that they told to leave the scene about an hour before the raid. So she basically got all of the sort of worst aspects of this, the most -- the most violent sort of tactics of what they call dynamic entry and none of the benefits which is having it served by a well- trained SWAT team and having medical staff nearby. SMERCONISH: Radley, I'm sympathetic to Breonna Taylor and to Breonna Taylor's family. I'm also sympathetic to the police who were put in that position, middle of the night, 12:15 A.M., seemingly ill-equipped and with this contradictory information as to whether it's no-knock or they should announce themselves. I mean, they, too, were done wrong. Do you agree with that? BALKO: Yes. I mean, I think that the problem with this was during the investigation, I think the problems was with the affidavit for the search warrant, the problem was with the judge who signed off on it. You know, I'm not ready to let the raid team off completely because I still think that this was done in kind of a reckless manner. You know, to say that she's a soft target and to say that they knocked and announced, the whole purpose of the knock and announce requirement is to give the people inside warning, right? It's to give them -- give them notice so that they can come to the door and let the cops in peacefully and avoid, you know, violence to their person and destruction of their property. But if you're still doing it at 12:30 in the morning, if you're pounding on the door -- and, you know, maybe they did announce themselves, but, you know, if the people inside the apartment didn't hear the announcement, then that's no different than a no-knock raid. I mean, that is -- the entire purpose of the announcement is to let somebody like Walker, who, you know, had nothing to hide. It was a -- had a concealed carry permit, you know, was not -- this is not a guy who had any rational reason to decide -- to knowingly say, you know, I'm going to take on this raiding team of police officers with my handgun. You know, by all accounts, he did not know who they were. That's why he called 911, by the way. So ... SMERCONISH: Understood. I have a ... BALKO: Go ahead. SMERCONISH: I have an important and final question and it's this. I paid attention to the camera and presser as well. Here's what I took away and you correct my misunderstanding if that's the case. Six shots hit Breonna Taylor. Law enforcement, there was a contradiction there because Kentucky state police were not able to identify, but the FBI was able to identify one of the bullets in her, the fatal bullet I believe. How can they say that the police officer who broke formation and was charged with his wanton behavior hadn't fired into her if they don't know the origin of those other five shots? I hope I asked that clearly. BALKO: Yes. I understand your question. You know, they can't and ballistics are -- the ability to distinguish which gun a bullet came from when it's the same type of gun and the same type of bullet I think is often overstated in our criminal justice system and there's been, you know, tests and studies showing that, but if you can't definitively trace it, then you can't charge him. I guess my point here is like a lot of investigations of potential criminal police conduct, you know, the police here were given every bit of the benefit of the doubt, they were shown great deference and sort of understanding of the circumstances and that's fine, they should be, but, you know, anybody else in the criminal justice system doesn't get that same kind of deference and understanding. If everybody got treated the same way police get treated during these investigations, you know, I wouldn't have a whole lot to write about. SMERCONISH: Understood. Radley Balko, thank you. Appreciate your time. BALKO: My pleasure. Thank you. SMERCONISH: Up ahead, this afternoon in the Rose Garden, President Trump will officially name his pick to replace RBG. Sources say it will be Judge Amy Coney Barrett, a federal appellate judge and Notre Dame law professor. So how will the confirmation battle play out? I'll ask fellow judiciary member Senator Dick Durbin. And the first presidential debate is this Tuesday. What do the President and Joe Biden need to achieve and how should they go about it? The Speaker of the House says Biden shouldn't even participate. REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): Not that I don't think he'll be excellent, I just think that the President has no fidelity to fact or truth and actually in his comments the last few days, no fidelity to the Constitution of the United States.

Did Grand Jury Make The Right Call In Breonna Taylor Case?

Hat die Grand Jury im Fall Breonna Taylor die richtige Entscheidung getroffen?

大陪审团在布若娜·泰勒案中的裁决正确吗？

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Donald J. Trump paid nearly 10 Times more money to get his hair styled during his years in "The Apprentice" than he paid in federal income taxes in 2016. Yes, $70,000 on hair. A lot of work. That's just one item from a massive piece of investigative reporting out tonight in the "New York Times" on how little the president has paid and how financially strapped he actually is. The headline reads, "Long-concealed records show Trump's chronic losses and years of tax avoidance." Here's the lead. "Donald J. Trump paid $750." I keep wanting to say $750,000 but it's not. He paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House he paid another $750. The "Times'" Susanne Craig, Russ Buettner and Mike McIntyre shared the byline. They write, quote, "The 'New York Times' has obtained tax return data extending over more than two decades for Mr. Trump and the hundreds of companies that make up his business organization including detailed information from his first two years in office. It does not include his personal returns for 2018 or 2019." Their reporting, which is fascinating, and I urge you to read it, details what the reporters characterize as, quote, "the hollowness but also the wizardry behind the self-made billionaire image." Joining us now CNN's Kara Scannell who's done extensive reporting of her own on Donald Trump's financing. Kara, from your own reporting, what did you learn about how the president's businesses are losing money and also how he manages to pay so little in taxes? KARA SCANNELL, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's one of the most interesting parts of "The New York Times" reporting is that they describe one of the means and methods that the president had done this. They said that he had made about $400 million from being on "The Apprentice." Not income he had made from any of his actual buildings that he owned or golf courses that he owned. But he made $400 million from "The Apprentice" and then took that money and funneled it into risky businesses and into new businesses and into some that he already owned. And then he took the losses that those businesses were generating and used that to reduce his tax bill. So it wasn't through, you know, new income that he was making. It was this method and this scheme that he was trying to just use from the "Apprentice" to then get these losses. And another way that he had reduced his taxes, according to "The New York Times," was by writing off a number of expenses including $100,000 in linen and silver at Mar-a-Lago, $70,000 on haircuts, and about $200,000 in landscaping at Mar-a-Lago. So the president was taking his expenses, reducing his tax bill. And one other method that the "Times" writes about is that he had paid more than $700,000 to his daughter Ivanka in a consulting contract as a way to reduce his tax bill, Anderson. COOPER: Right. While she was employed by the Trump Organization, so he's paying -- you know, I guess she's getting a salary or whatever she gets from the Trump Organization and in addition as a consultant, she's getting -- and that was revealed because she had to reveal that when she started working at the White House. I mean, is it clear how much debt the president has and -- I mean, and why that matters is because some of that, according to the "Times," is going to be coming due in the next couple of years, and if he's president, the question is, what's he going to do in order to make that money? SCANNELL: That's right. That's the big question here. I mean, he's got $300 million in loans that he is on the hook for, for many of his properties. Those are due in about four years. And what "The New York Times" also wrote about is this audit that the president has said he's been under and why he couldn't disclose tax returns. They said that it has to do with a tax refund and that if the IRS were to rule against the president that he would be hit with a $100 million tax bill, so that's potentially $400 million that the president could be on the hook for in the next several years. And, you know, at the same time that his businesses are not making that much money and only, frankly, made worse by the pandemic and the impact that has had on the actual businesses that he's involved with including his hotels. So, you know, it really raises a lot of questions about how he would go about making this money when he is potentially on the hook for $400 million. COOPER: Yes. Kara Scannell, appreciate it. Thanks. Want to go next to CNN's John Harwood at the White House. John, what's the reaction from the White House? JOHN HARWOOD, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, the reaction has been entirely on brand from President Trump. When he was asked at a news conference this afternoon, he ducked on the specifics of "The New York Times" story, he deflected by saying he had paid a lot of state income taxes as opposed to federal income taxes. He denounced "The New York Times" as biased, said that they're going after him because he's a conservative Republican, and he denounced the story itself as fake. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Yes, basically -- well, first of all, I paid a lot and I paid a lot of state income taxes, too. The New York state charges a lot and I paid a lot of money in state. It will all be revealed. It's going to come out but after the audit -- after the -- I'm being -- they're doing their assessment. We've been negotiating for a long time. Things get settled like in the IRS. But right now when you're under audit, you don't do that. So we're under audit. But the story is a total fake and all of this -- you know, we had the same exact questions usually asked by the same people and that took place four years ago. You remember. HARWOOD: Now, of course we all remember that Hillary Clinton brought up the issue of whether Donald Trump paid taxes in their debate four years ago in the 2016 campaign, and when that happened the president bragged about it. COOPER: Yes, he did. He said -- HILLARY CLINTON (D), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The only years that anybody has ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. So -- TRUMP: That makes me smart. HARWOOD: Now the question is whether all those blue-collar voters and taxpayers who back the president are going to think that they've paid more income taxes than him because he's smarter than them or because of something else? Joe Biden has framed his presidential campaign as Scranton versus Park Avenue. And you can bet, Anderson, he's going to bring up this issue in their debate on Tuesday night. COOPER: What's also interesting, John, and I've said this before, is that, you know, yes, as you said, Biden is arguing this is Scranton versus Park Avenue, but even for Park Avenue, according to "The New York Times," this kind of -- I mean, paying $750 that is incredibly rare. I think "The Times" reported something along the average of people in that .0001 percent of the tax bracket of income generally pay about 24 percent in federal income tax. So paying nothing or $750, that's even rare for the rarest of the rare. HARWOOD: Well, Anderson, there are really two different issues here. One of them is the shenanigans that rich people can get away with to avoid paying taxes. That's one line of attack. But the other is whether the image of success and affluence that Donald Trump has sold himself as possessing as an argument for why he could turn the country around, whether that whole thing is a fake and he's vulnerable on both those counts. COOPER: Yes. I mean, according to "The Times" he's received hundreds of millions of dollars, I think it was $300 million to $400 million from his father over the years starting at age 3. Trump has always claimed, though, you know, he only got a couple million, I think, which is, you know, more than anybody, most people. John Harwood, thanks very much. Appreciate it. Joining us now investigative reporter David Cay Johnston, author of "The Making of Donald Trump." David, thanks for being with us. Certainly much has been made about what the public would learn if President Trump made his tax returns public. At least part of that question has been answered by reporting from "The New York Times." What conclusions do you think -- or what conclusions do you draw based on what we've learned? DAVID CAY JOHNSTON, AUTHOR, "THE MAKING OF DONALD TRUMP": Well, Donald took enormous deductions in 2008 and 2009, $1.4 billion of deductions, and there's nothing I see in "The Times" reporting that would explain deductions of that size. Now why is that important? Well, Donald has been tried twice for income tax fraud. A story I broke five years ago. And he lost both of those cases. He just made up deductions in that case. And one of the implications of "The Times" story is that he may have just made up deductions. There are questions of, specifically in "The Times" report, about whether improper deductions were taken for certain kinds of legal fees that are personal and whether possibly there was a disguised gift that was turned into a tax deduction involving Ivanka. There's a lot here, Anderson, that suggests that the Manhattan grand jury is looking at serious COOPER: Yes, I don't know much really about tax law at all but if what he's doing -- I mean, that any parent would, you know, ensnare their child in some tax scheme, if that is in fact what this is, is, you know, says something about the parent. But according to this Ivanka thing, she was an employee of the Trump Organization. She's getting hundreds of thousands of dollars as a consultant, so she gets the benefit of that and it's him passing money to her that's, you know, not taxed in the same way that it might be if it was a gift and he takes it as a tax deduction. JOHNSTON: Right. And you have that exactly right. You can pay reasonable compensation to someone. And that's likely to be an issue. The more important issues are likely to be, however, things like Don Jr.'s legal bills and some other legal bills being charged as tax deductible expenses which would not be appropriate. I think it's also significant $750 over two years, according to "The Times" is just a plug-in number. Line 56 of your tax, that's just a plug-in number. It's not a real figure there. So those are really years he probably paid no income tax. This does make it crystal clear why Donald wants to hide his income tax returns from us and "The Times" doesn't have his returns. They have what's called return information. The state of New York and the IRS share information. There are other people who would have this information for various reasons. You can believe, and I can tell you as a longtime former reporter for "The New York Times," this story was gone over by editor after editor after editor. I don't -- I did stories that had gone 30 editors weighing in on them and all of it will hold up just as the 2018 story the "Times" did held up my 2017 coverage of Donald's 2005 tax return has held up. COOPER: What still don't we know? What questions are still out there about his taxes that voters deserve to have answered? JOHNSTON: Well, I think the single most important question is to what degree did Donald Trump get money from foreign governments or foreign entities? The oligarchs basically are the biggest criminal gang in the world. They report to their boss, Vladimir Putin. And to what extent -- we know that Trump got money from oligarchs. We know that there are cases I and others have written about these deals were not normal business deals. They make no sense when examined as business deals, but they make perfect sense as either money laundering or payoffs. The second thing we need to be concerned about is that Donald has personally guaranteed over $300 million of loans that would come due during a second Trump term. Well, do you think any bank is seriously going to go after the president of the United States if he doesn't pay his bills? And that's been Donald Trump's pattern throughout his life. He borrows money, he doesn't pay his bills. He doesn't pay his vendors who sometimes go out of business. He cheats his workers. He cheats governments, and he has this well- established history that's in my writings about him of hiding records, lying and denying about records, and fabricating tax deductions. COOPER: I remember riding in an Uber, I think it was, in Atlantic City a year or two ago and the driver was a contractor who had done work on, you know, the resort or the Aladdin, I guess it was, and got stiffed. JOHNSTON: The Taj. COOPER: Yes. The Taj, and never got paid. Went out of business. David Cay Johnston, appreciate it. Fascinating reporting from you for a long, long time. Appreciate it. Coming up next, what does the Biden campaign make of his blockbuster report and how will it factor into Tuesday night's debate? We'll ask one of his top advisers. And later, the man who helped make Donald Trump the Donald Trump we all know, author Tony Schwarz ahead.

Donald Trump's Federal Income Tax Documents Revealed; Trump Denies "New York Times" Report, Saying He Paid a Lot in Federal Income Taxes; Interview with Tony Schwartz on Latest Trump Bombshell

US-Bundeseinkommensteuerdokumente von Donald Trump enthüllt; Trump dementiert die Bericht von \"New York Times\" und sagt, er habe viel an Bundeseinkommensteuern bezahlt; Interview mit Tony Schwartz über die neueste Trump-Bombe

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BRUNHUBER: Firefighters in California are battling more than 2 dozen major wildfires. High temperatures and strong winds are threatening to make things even worse. The power company, Pacific Gas and Electric, says they will shut off power for about 100,000 homes and businesses today in an effort to stop electrical equipment from sparking a fire. BRUNHUBER: From the western U.S. to Brazil and even to the Arctic Circle, record-breaking fires have erupted around the world. Many scientists blame human cause climate change for helping to make the fires more frequent and more ferocious. Cyril Vanier reports. CYRIL VANIER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Now familiar scenes from the U.S. West Coast. An orange haze shrouds the skies above some of California's most populous cities as dozens of wildfires blaze through millions of hectares of land. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, it's gone, it's gone. VANIER (voice-over): The landscape changing wildfires break records in the region yet again. GOV. GAVIN NEWSOM (D-CA): This is a climate damn emergency. This is real. VANIER (voice-over): An emergency in the western U.S., part of a climate crisis worldwide, as 2020 sees record fires rage around the globe. Fires across Latin America tear through the world's largest tropical wetlands at unprecedented rates. Brazil's Amazon rain forest continues to burn, brought on in part by deforestation. In Bolivia, drought and high temperatures are fueling wildfires while land clearing in Argentina led to blazes now out of control. Australia began the year emerging from its worst fire season on record, destroying thousands of homes and killing as many as 3 billion animals. The fires may have begun naturally but researchers found that climate change played a major role in how fast and wide they spread. PROFESSOR RICHARD BETTS, THE MET OFFICE HADLEY CENTRE: Australia's warmed faster, Australia's 1.4 degrees warmer than it would have been without a human impact on climate. So when you get hot, dry conditions, as this occurred, they're even hotter because of global warming. VANIER (voice-over): Around the world, fires have also raged this year in Indonesia, Russia, Portugal, Greece and in the Arctic Circle, which scientists say is heating at rates more than twice the global average. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We always say what happens in the Arctic does not stay in the Arctic. It does affect our weather in different parts of the world, where hundreds of millions of people live. VANIER (voice-over): Vegetation burning in the Arctic has released record amounts of carbon dioxide into the. Air this year. Those CO2 emissions helping make conditions warmer and drier on a planet becoming too hot in places to live. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Research shows polish in the proceedings in National Academy of Sciences last year projects that about a third of the planet's population will soon live outside of this ideal band of temperature and precipitation that has proved ideal for humans for the last 6,000 years. VANIER (voice-over): Scientists say that reducing emissions is key to help slow global warming, now making fires around the world more frequent and ferocious than ever before -- Cyril Vanier, CNN. BRUNHUBER: Coming up after the break -- JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: So, if you can't vote for Joe Biden, can I assume that you'll vote for President Trump? DEB THOMSON, UNDECIDED WISCONSIN VOTER: I don't know. BRUNHUBER: Many voters undecided in the U.S. battleground state of Wisconsin. We'll have a look into those crucial votes coming up next. Stay with us.

Climate Change Fueling Blazes Around The World

Klimawandel heizt Brände auf der ganzen Welt an

气候变化使全球形势火上浇油

JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everybody. Top of the hour. I'm John King in Washington. Thank you so much for sharing your day with us. President Trump's Supreme Court nominee hits the courtesy call circuit this week. That ahead of what promises to be a bruising confirmation battle. The coronavirus numbers are quite discouraging this morning. The average daily case count is up. Dr. Anthony Fauci is warning states that continue to drop restrictions says, they are, quote, "asking for trouble." And we are on the eve of the first presidential debate. The announced topics include the court, the coronavirus, response, the economy, racial election integrity and President Trump and Joe Biden's respective records. Taxes and spending, of course, always a presidential debate issue. Well, that issue takes on new meaning today. New and incredibly detailed reporting from the "New York Times" gleaned from 18 years of the president's federal tax returns paints a damning picture of the president as a money manager mapping millions of dollars of losses, a crippling debt load and year after year of avoiding federal taxes. The president last hour on Twitter calling the story nonsense. He says it ignores the value of his assets and he says it denies one of the -- he denies one of "The Times" core findings. The president, the documents show, paid nothing, nothing in federal income taxes for 11 of the 18 years the time was examined. And he paid $750. $750 in federal income tax the year he won the White House and his first year in office. Now think about that. Most years, the president paid nothing. The most recent two years, "The Times" obtained $750. That's thousands less. Thousands less in the $12,000 plus Americans paid on average in 2017. The documents also show a history of massive write offs. An ongoing battle with the IRS over a nearly $73 million tax refund and a foreign money boon. Thanks to Mr. Trump holding the presidency. Importantly, the president faces a coming money crunch. He is personally on the hook for $421 million of debt and loans. Most of that debt coming due within the next four years. Rare is the day you see this. A six-column headline in "The New York Times." The details in these stories are many and they blow to pieces the president's tall tales about his Midas touch as a businessman. Fake billionaire is the question. You see it here. Post by the generally conservative, generally pro-Trump Drudge Report. Our chief business correspondent Christine Romans is here to walk through the reporting and what these tax documents unearth about the president's finances. CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: John, a scathing line from "The New York Times" report, quote, "Mr. Trump has been more successful playing a business mogul than being one in real life." "The Times" pulls back the curtain to tell a story at odds with the public persona Trump worked so hard to create. Instead, the reality is a serial tax avoider who has presided over hundreds of millions of dollars of business losses and is crushed by a mountain of debt. This according to the paper. Now the tax bombshell reveals several things. The president is at debt at losing lots of money. The system rewards rich people who lose a lot of money. They can write off those losses and the average citizen has paid more to support America's military, its roads, schools and democracy than the president has. Now data from the Tax Policy Center shows nearly half of Americans pay no income taxes. That's mainly because of how low their income is. But among taxpayers, the IRS shows that the average filer paid about $12,200 in 2017. That's 16 times more than what President Trump paid the same year. Now as a candidate, Trump sold Americans on being a successful businessman. But according to "The Times," tax records show he just played one on TV and found multiple ways to write off the cost of creating that image. Trump took huge deductions including $70,000 to take care of his hair during "The Apprentice" and appeared to write off hundreds of thousands of dollars paying his daughter Ivanka as a consultant to the Trump organization. John? KING: Christine Romans, appreciate the breakdown on the numbers. The president predictably calls "The Times" report fake news but the documents are very real. And they simply shred the story Trump has told for years. A story that is central to his political resume, successful businessman and savvy deal maker. The truth is the Trump empire -- look at the documents. The Trump empire is wobbly, and a giant ball of debt is due just around the corner. Five weeks to Election Day, one question is how these plays with Trump supporters who now know, pick it up, read the newspaper, you pay a lot more in taxes than your president. Let's get straight to the White House to CNN's John Harwood. John, the president says fake news. He says nonsense but the document said the reporting is incredibly detailed. It is quite real. JOHN HARWOOD, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: It's very detailed and we saw a classic Trump response last night when he came into the briefing room. He avoided specific responses to the particular allegations in the story. He denounced "The New York Times" for bias. Saying that they were targeting him because he was a Republican. He deflected by pointing to state taxes rather than federal taxes he paid. And he simply tried to wipe the whole thing away as a fabrication. Take a listen. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's fake news. It's totally fake news. Made up, fake. QUESTION: Can you give people an idea of how much you actually are paying? TRUMP: Yes. Basically, well, first of all, I've paid a lot and I pay a lot of state income taxes too. The New York state charges a lot and I've paid a lot of money in state. It will all be revealed. It's going to come out. HARWOOD: Now, there's been a little evolution in his response this morning, John. He tweeted out this morning complaining that the information that "The Times" published was illegally obtained. Of course, "The Times" says it was obtained for people who had it legally so they had bad intents that he paid many millions in taxes but he also said I was entitled to depreciation and tax credits just like everyone else. So, think about that line. Depreciation and tax credits just like anyone else considering that the amount he paid in taxes in 2016 and 2017 is less than the average taxpayer making $25,000 a year paid in 2017. This is a response that is tailor made for Joe Biden going into tomorrow's debate. The Biden - the Biden of course is preying to his campaign. It's Scranton versus Park Avenue. The president is going to have to answer for that tomorrow night. KING: It will be a major point without doubt. John Harwood, I appreciate the live reporting from the White House. Let's continue the conversation. Joining me is the former federal prosecutor of New York state. Prosecutor Dan Alonso. Dan, thank you for your time today. Just as a prosecutor with experience both at the federal and the state level. When you pick up "The New York Times" story and go through it, I saw your tweets. You say there's predicate for an investigation. Now I don't expect any investigation especially if Bill Barr could name a special counsel. We will all, you know, dine in a chair waiting for that to happen. So -- but what jumped out at you is if you were either at the federal level or the state level is something that you would say I want to look at that now. DANIEL R. ALONSO, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: You know it's so interesting that everybody is focusing on the losses that reduces tax liability so that we have this kind of absurd sounding news like $750. But that's not really what we jumped out to a criminal investigator or to a - or to a prosecutor. You know those kinds of -- the real estate industry is notoriously difficult to - to investigate for tax fraud because of these layers of LLCs and various companies, some have losses, some have gains. So, in a sense, Trump is right in terms of you know if there are legitimate losses, he's entitled to claim them. And there is a difference, a legitimate difference between tax avoidance - legal, and tax evasion -- illegal. But what jumps out to a prosecutor is those last two things that "The Times" talked about. First is the consulting fees apparently on these foreign deals about a third of "The Times" says income -- I don't know if it's income or revenue but a third of what's coming in is going out as consulting fees and we believe we know that at least in one of the deals it went to his daughter. So that is a big red flag. Now, why? We don't know. In - typically, in these foreign deals when you got huge amounts of consulting fees, it raises lots of questions. Who is the money going to? Now here it's going to his daughter. It may not be the usual red flag, is are they paying off people in those countries. Here it may be that he's just figuring out a different way to pay his daughter who is otherwise an executive of the Trump organization without paying payroll taxes. I mean it's possible that that's what it is. But right now, I stressed that we are a little bit speculating but that's a very interesting piece. The other interesting piece is the business expenses. That's always something where you need to ask under the tax law, are they legitimate because people do go to jail all the time for falsely claiming personal expenses as business but there's also a legitimate way to do that. So that's a predicate for an investigation as you said. KING: So, let's look at some of that. Just the deductions that raised some questions. And again, maybe they can be explained but if you're a prosecutor that's what you do. You've come on and let's explain this. $70,000 on hairstyling during "The Apprentice." The president deducted that. $307,000 plus for linens, silver, landscaping at Mar-a-Lago in 2017. This one jumps out of me, Dan. $2.2 million in property taxes on his Seven Springs estate. The president writing that off as a business expense. Here's something Eric Trump said in 2014 about that compound. Quote, "This is really our compound." Eric Trump said in 2017 suggesting it was a personal property. So, we don't know the answer. But it raises a flag, right? ALONSO: Well, I have to stretch that all of this is just a tip of a much larger financial picture. It has to be gone over by tax accounts, by forensic accounts with a lot more information than we have here. But yes, if there's something that's claimed to be an investment property that is in fact a personal mansion, you shouldn't be deducting the property taxes from that. Now, that - by the way, just because you shouldn't be doing something means you might pay a fine and penalty, it's not necessarily criminal, right? What we look for in criminal cases is are there badges of fraud? Are they not only failing to pay the taxes but are they doing it in a way that's really kind of sneaky or looks like they're cheating? Like for example a series of shell companies or false records inside the Trump organization. Like say, you know, false invoices for consulting. If they have that, that starts to look more criminal. So, I caution that just because they should have paid taxes and they didn't, that's not necessarily grounds for a criminal matter. KING: Incredibly important context. Dan Alonso, former state and federal prosecutor, appreciate your time today, sir. Thank you. ALOSO: Thank you. KING: Up next for us, rising coronavirus cases sparking new fears of a fall infection surge.

NYT: Trump Squandered Millions, Faces Crippling Debt; "New York Times" Obtains Trump Tax Records. Experts Warn of Potential Surge in New Infections.

NYT: Trump hat Millionen verschwendet, steht vor lähmender Verschuldung; \"New York Times\" beschafft Trump-Steuerunterlagen. Experten warnen vor einem möglichen Anstieg neuer Infektionen.

《纽约时报》：特朗普挥霍数百万美元，面临巨额债务获得特朗普税务记录。专家警告新感染病例可能激增。

BERMAN: All right, breaking overnight, this is what "The New York Times" say the president paid in federal income taxes his first two years in office, $750. This is what the average American pays, $12,000. John Avlon with much more in a "Reality Check." JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Question, who pays more in federal income taxes than President Trump? Answer, basically every American that works hard and plays by the rules. Because according to "The Times," Trump paid no federal income taxes 10 out of 15 years starting in 2000. And, get this, during his campaign in the first year of his presidency, "The Times" says Donald Trump paid only $750. That's not a typo. But it is evidence of a broken system. Because it means that Donald Trump, with a tower on Fifth Avenue and an estate in Palm Beach paid less in taxes than the average household in America, which makes just shy of $69,000 a year. In fact, Trump paid less in federal income taxes than the average single grade school teacher, nurse, cop, farmer, firefighter and truck driver. And that's not all. Trump's $750 in federal income taxes is less than the monthly average rent families pay in Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan or Wisconsin, according to a 2017 survey. This is real man of the people stuff here. And just to make it more relatable, "The Times" reported that Trump claimed more than $70,000 for getting his hair styled. Again, that's more than the average family makes in a year for his hair. And he and his companies paid more in taxes to Panama, India, and the Philippines than his own country. Now, he was able to pull this off because of his astronomical losses. Between 2000 and 2018, Trump companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars. If you ran a small business that lost money each year, you'd go bankrupt, but Donald Trump kept living a lavish lifestyle while losing millions and parlayed it into becoming president, in part by assuring people he was a successful businessman. He isn't. In fact, "The Times" calculates that this time around he is personally responsible for loans and other debts totaling $420 million. Should he win re-election, his lenders could be pressed in the unprecedented position of weighing whether to foreclose on a sitting president. That creates a thicket of conflicts of interest, says a report by the watch dog group Crew. All while "The Washington Post" calculates Trump's company has charged the U.S. government at least $970,000 for things like room rentals and resort fees. So while Trump rails against elites and campaigns as a law and order campaign, his actions remind me of infamous words from another New York real estate magnate, Leona Helmsley, only the little people pay taxes, except this time. The contempt for hard-working men and women who pay their taxes comes straight from the president of the United States. And that's your "Reality Check." BERMAN: Our thanks to John for that. So, the House of Representatives could end up deciding the presidential election. It's not impossible and this is 2020. And, Nancy Pelosi, she wants to get ready for it.

Americans Pay more Taxes than Trump

Amerikaner zahlen mehr Steuern als Trump

美国人比特朗普纳税多

COOPER: We are back with our special coverage of the first debate between President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden. They are facing off tonight as so many Americans already are casting ballots. Pamela Brown has new information on that. So where does early voting stand right now? PAMELA BROWN, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, early voting interests continue to skyrocket. Take a look at the numbers here, more than 1.2 million Americans have already cast their ballot and we still have a little over a month ago until Election Day. And then this is coming from publicly available data from 20 states, 800,000 ballots have already been cast in the most competitive states. And to take a little bit of a closer look at one of those battleground states, North Carolina, look at the numbers here. As you see, Democrats have a big advantage over Republicans, 147,000 Democrats versus 46,000 Republicans have cast their ballots. But we should note that CNN polling shows that Trump supporters are more likely to actually go in-person to the to the polls on election day. And so these numbers don't necessarily determine the outcome of the election. But let's look at Wisconsin, another battleground states. Already 308,000 voters have cast their ballots. And what the numbers are showing us is that people are returning their ballots quickly. They're receiving and returning quickly. Seeming to heed the advice from election experts to get those ballots in early. And if you'd like to learn more, of course, about voting in your state, just go to cnn.com/slash vote and you can learn more about how voting works where you are, Anderson. COOPER: Yes. I mean, obviously, with the votes already coming in quickly, it makes this first debate even more important to people making their decisions. Can you show us how it works? BROWN: Yes, absolutely. In fact, people in 32 states have already voted essentially by the debate tonight. But then look at how the number jumps up from tonight. You look at the vice presidential debate, the number jumps up to 45 states. And then by the second presidential debate, look at this, Anderson, all states but two. And then the last one, all states allow early voting. And so that just shows you how high the stakes are for both of these candidates tonight to make their case, Anderson. COOPER: Yes, those early votes. Pamela, thanks. And tonight's debate all figure into the bottom line of this election who can get the 270 electoral votes needed to win. John King is at the magic wall. So take us through the potential paths to victory, John. JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, let's start with the underdog, Joe Biden, because he is knocking at the door entering the first debate. What do I mean by that? It takes 270 electoral votes to win. We have Joe Biden right now in our calculation ahead solid or leaning 269 electoral votes, the dark blue, the deep blue, that solid Biden. The lighter blue like Colorado like Arizona, like Nevada that's leaning Biden. Joe Biden is already at 269 electoral vote, so if nothing changed on this map, if he turns in strong debates and he holds what he has right now, think about this, if Joe Biden could win this congressional district out in Nebraska, Democrats have won it before, Joe Biden leads in that district right now. Just that one congressional district, Joe Biden could get to 270, the magic number to win the presidency. Just think about that, Joe Biden could win the presidency without winning Ohio, without winning Pennsylvania, without winning North Carolina, without winning Georgia and without winning Florida. It is possible for Joe Biden. Democrats though, they know, Joe Biden is well ahead in Pennsylvania right now. They believe they can hold on that and run it up and block President Trump. Joe Biden is competitive. North Carolina is very tight, but Joe by this competitive, big African-American turnout, big suburban turnout, Joe Biden could win North Carolina. Florida would be the absolute knockout impossible to see Donald Trump get to 270 without Florida. Democrats have a dream of a route. They believe they're even in play perhaps in Georgia, perhaps in Ohio. Some Democrats want the Biden campaign, Anderson, to spend money in places like Iowa and in places like Texas, which are leaning red right now. The Biden campaign is going to have to make a decision after this first debate into the final weeks, where do we spend our resources, do we try to just play it like we think it is, play it safe. Go for the Midwest and the Rust Belt or do you try to venture out help Democratic candidates in other races. The challenge for the President is that this map, the 2016 map, now it looks like a distant dream. Remember, he flipped Wisconsin, he flipped Michigan, he flipped Pennsylvania. The President enters tonight's debate needing to change this race in a dramatic way. Yes, he's at 169 right now, solid Trump, leaning Trump, very conceivable, very, very conceivable. Let me bring this back to this, very conceivable to see the President winning Ohio. It's a Republican-leaning state. Very conceivable to see the President win in Florida. It has Republican DNA. Georgia, Republican DNA, conceivable to see the President win. He's competitive. Same with North Carolina, he's competitive. Even if you won all of those, he's only at 247 and even then if he won Pennsylvania, he's only a 267. Now, that would make it interesting if the President can run the board. But think of the enormity of that challenge, the resources, the Trump campaigns actually short cashed. He has to win Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida and then he would still have to do more. Get one of those, get both of those congressional districts there or sorry, I hit that, let me come back to this. Or can the President flip a state. He wants to flip Arizona, he's been out in Nevada. But Anderson, we entered this first debate. You're looking at this map. We all remember 2016. The President has proven he can surprise us. The President has proven remember when he flipped these states four years ago, but right now when Joe Biden walks on that stage, he knows the door, he's knocking at the door to 270. The President knows this is not 2016. He needs to flip this race dramatically. COOPER: Yes. John, I'm sure there's a lot of people at home who are watching and thinking back to 2016 and remembering you at the wall and it seemed like there wasn't a path for Donald Trump in electoral votes and then suddenly there was. KING: Very late, very late, remember if you follow this back to Trump campaign, he likes to say the polls were all wrong. If you go back late into the last campaign and let me just come back to this map here to Donald Trump's victory. Late in the last campaign. Yes, he was trailing. Yes, he was trailing. But he was coming back in Michigan. He was coming back in Wisconsin. He was moving in Pennsylvania. The polls at the state level were moving his way and the national race was down to two or three points, in some cases one point, Clinton leave. Right now nationally, Biden is up on average about eight points. If he stays up eight points nationally, it's really hard to see Trump pulling the thought. If that national lead shrinks to five, falls below five, then you start going back through the state by state calculations. Donald Trump is in play. He's competitive in Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, even these down in Pennsylvania, but it's just a much tougher map this time. Yes, he did come back last time. He was the outsider. He was the insurgent. Anderson, the biggest difference is, he's an embattled, incumbent in the middle of a pandemic, much harder to change the dynamic of the race. COOPER: Yes. John King, thanks very much. Here now with our team, Van Jones. What are you looking for tonight? Because I think back to those debates, the last time around against Secretary Clinton and Donald Trump. I moderated one of them. I thought it couldn't get any more tense than that second debate. I mean, this tonight is ... VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. Well, it's for all the marbles and that's why. I mean, for the right wing, I think this is about socialism versus freedom. Like for them, it's a really big deal. But for us, we're tired. We're tired of the funerals. We're tired of all the nonsense and the comedian type of stuff from the White House. I think what you're going to see is Joe Biden come out and show his biggest asset, which is that big heart. He understands this country is grieving. This country is hurting. This country needs leadership. This country needs somebody to pull it together. So you're going to see a bunch shenanigans from the President. He's going to be the comedian and you're going to see a statesman capable of bringing the country together tonight. COOPER: Gloria. GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: I think what Joe Biden has to do is make those voters, the voters you're talking about feel really good about their vote. JONES: Yes. BORGER: Because a lot of them don't really feel good about their vote and they've got to be motivated. And what Biden has to do is motivate them and what Donald Trump has to do is say to those conservatives, who kind of are leaning towards him, but don't like the way he handled the virus, he needs to say to them, OK, trust me on the economy. You can trust me. I'm the one who's going to bring it back. DAVID AXELROD, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. That would make sense. That would be the right strategy, it isn't necessarily the one that he is going to follow because he does, as everyone has pointed out, this race has been remarkably stable. It's like an earthquake proof building. There are seismic explosions going on all the time and yet the race continues to be a seven or eight-point race in Biden's favor. That's an enormous margin at this stage in the race against an incumbent president. He has to change the dynamic in this race. And so I think he is going to ... AXELROD: ... a challenge for Trump. And the challenge for Biden is to not chase the rabbits down the hole. COOPER: That's right. AXELROD: Because he wants to be that person that you suggest, Van, but he's going to have to do it in a very noisy environment. And he is provoked at times, so he's going to have to work on that. RICK SANTORUM, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, I would say that, number one, Joe Biden has obviously the most to lose here. I mean, he's ahead. He's ahead by every measure and he's still the question mark in a lot of people's minds. I think we have to have to accept the fact that a lot of people are still just tuning in to watch this and there is a question as to whether Joe Biden is up to this or not. And I don't think the bar is that low for them. It may be for the folks who are commenting because everyone is going to say, oh, Biden did fine. They're going to look and see whether Joe Biden has what it takes to be the leader of the free world and I think it's not just, oh, he can put sentences together or he's coherent. JONES: 1925 understand, a lot of people - this is the beginning of the electoral season for a bunch of people. Some of them are watching this stuff the whole time. For a lot of people, this is the - but they're going to be looking who is Joe Biden, who is Trump, they know who Trump is, they don't know Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden actually has an opportunity, though, while still being a statesman to do something to Trump that has not been done to him before. Trump has kryptonite. The one thing he seems to be afraid of is someone laughing at him. He's always saying, they're laughing at us here. They're laughing at us there. COOPER: Right. The countries are at America. JONES: Look, these countries are laughing at us. That's his kryptonite. For the first time, Joe Biden can say, hold on a second. You are not only a tax dodger and a draft dodger, you are a weak, broke loser, who has been exposed as being desperate for cash. I don't know that that is a punch that Trump knows how to take. AXELROD: That's not the warm and humane appeal that you were talking about earlier but ... JONES: I think he can turn it to strength, I think he can put them back ... AXELROD: Yes. He needs to hit and pivot. JONES: Hit and pivot. AXELROD: Hit and pivot, yes. BORGER: Well, I was talking to somebody in the Biden campaign who is working with them. And I think their intent, without giving too much away, because they certainly not given anything away to me is a flick of the wrist is what I would call it, what you're talking about. JONES: Yes. BORGER: Give them a flick of the wrist and you've seen Biden's respond to Trump lately saying, oh, he's a fool. He's just a fool. And then give them a flick of the wrist, don't go down the rabbit holes, you're talking about David, and then move on and pivot to what he wants to talk about which is more than 200,000 dead. This is how you mismanaged it. AXELROD: But you got to - I'm sorry, you guys talked about it being people just tuning in and so on. That's not really what the polling suggests like 90 percent of people say they've made up their mind. Well, there'll be an enormous audience tonight but most of those people have said they've made up their mind. I agree with you, Rick, this is the test for Biden. I think if he has a good night tonight, he can really slam the door here. I'm not sure the last two debates are going to mean that much if Biden has a good night tonight. SANTORUM: I mean, I won't say the race could be over tonight. But if Joe Biden does what most challengers do in a first debate, which is to do well ... BORGER: To do well, yes. COOPER: Why is that? SANTORUM: Expectation, yes. JONES: (Inaudible) incumbent is usually - there are people around them saying nice things to them every day, so they're not used to having that back and forth. There are dangers for Biden, though. But because he's got that big map to protect, he has such a big coalition, he's vulnerable to not just Trump, but Chris Wallace, pushing him, are you with the left of your party or are you not. AXELROD: Yes. JONES: Biden has to deal with the fact he's got such a big coalition, is he willing to offend the left to hold on to the middle or is he willing to hold on (inaudible) ... SANTORUM: That's the point where I think he could he could show he's not up to it. Because if he can't stand for what he believes in as opposed to what Bernie or AOC or the others have been pulling him do, I think that will open up the socialism card and make it really difficult. AXELROD: I think it's easier now that he's the nominee, the party is very eager to defeat to defeat Trump. And I think he's going to be speaking a lot to the folks back in your backyard. He's going to be talking Scranton versus Park Avenue. He's going to use the President's taxes as a kick off. SANTORUM: Park Avenue (inaudible) Scranton, but that's a different story. AXELROD: Yes, kick off a - that'll be a kick off point for him. In terms of your question, I still have Mitt Romney's tire tracks on my back from the first presidential debate in 2012. Presidents aren't used to having people six feet away from them in their grill, being treated as an equal and firing at them and it is traditional to see presidents not perform well in the first debate. COOPER: Yes. As we stand by for the debate to begin. (Inaudible) going to be fascinating. We are getting an extraordinary behind the scenes look at how both candidates have been preparing. That's after a quick break.

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JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST, THE LEAD WITH JAKE TAPPER: -Dana, closing thoughts, as we prepare for this big moment? DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: That this is really one of the most important moments that we've seen in politics, certainly since we've all been covering it, definitely for me, because of the reason that we were talking about. We are in a pandemic. ABBY PHILLIP, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. BASH: And people haven't really been able to see these candidates in the traditional ways that we usually see candidates, especially at this late stage of the game. And this is a high-stakes moment, no matter what year, but especially right now. TAPPER: That is first lady Melania Trump walking in with a mask, not often seen at events where her husband is featured. But all of her family walked in with masks. Abby? PHILLIP: Yes. I mean I - you can't forget the fact that we are a country in crisis. And I think the American people are looking for some version of strength. And they're going to see two different kinds here tonight. One man, President Trump, who leads from his gut, and another man, Joe Biden, who says to the American public, "I'm leading with the help of experts and my own experience in government." Those are two very stark choices. And I think it's going to be really on display. But to the extent that these two men have strengths and weaknesses, watching them and covering them over the years, I think they - this is going to be a pretty well-matched fight and it's going to be a slugfest. TAPPER: Except it's very - they're very different styles, right? PHILLIP: Yes. TAPPER: One guy conveys empathy. The other guy conveys, you can call it toughness, you can call it nastiness. One of the - I remember, in 2012, when Obama had his first debate, after four years being president, he had been in a bubble, only talking to the people who really liked him and supported him. He hadn't done a lot of interviews that year. BASH: Yes. TAPPER: And he was rusty and out of shape. And talk about a bubble! I mean people talk about the liberal bubble. The MAGA bubble that Donald Trump is in, where he talks to Judge Jeanine and Fox folks. BASH: Right. TAPPER: Although I guess he does have a Fox Moderator. PHILLIP: Right. TAPPER: I wonder what effect that will have. BASH: It could. I mean and it's not just President Obama. George W. Bush didn't do well in his first debate. This is kind of the problem that incumbent presidents have, which is why this President, despite the fact that they have been trying to lower expectations, saying he hasn't really practiced, he has practiced. He has gotten the "You know what" kicked out of him by his aides and advisers, in debate prep, because they know that he has been in a bubble because he's President of the United States. TAPPER: It's not just that he's President of the United States. PHILLIP: No, no, you're right and it's also-- TAPPER: So, but - he secludes himself with these sycophantic reporters. PHILLIP: It's also because there are some things that this President doesn't want to talk about, as Kaitlan Collins reported tonight. He doesn't like to talk about his money. Will be-- BASH: That's right. PHILLIP: --will he be prepared to talk about things that are getting under his skin in that way? And did he do enough preparation for those things? I do think, though, to concede to the President in some ways, he does take tough questions from the media all the time. He doesn't always answer those questions. TAPPER: From the White House Press Corps. PHILLIP: From the White House Press Corps. TAPPER: Absolutely. PHILLIP: All-- TAPPER: I mean in interviews and in long interviews though. PHILLIP: Not in interviews. TAPPER: Yes. PHILLIP: But from the White House Press Corps. TAPPER: Absolutely. PHILLIP: I do think that that matters. TAPPER: No, it does matter. And that that is something that he does, that Obama did not. PHILLIP: Yes. TAPPER: But I just - the point is he's in a reward system where the most MAGA-friendly stuff gets applauded. PHILLIP: Yes. TAPPER: Wolf? WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST, THE SITUATION ROOM WITH WOLF BLITZER: The moment that this campaign has been building to, for months, President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden taking the stage, going head-to-head in their first presidential debate at this crucial time in America's history, the pandemic, the economy, race in America, the Supreme Court. They will be asked about the very difficult issues Americans are facing right now. The first of three presidential debates about to begin. WALLACE: Good evening. From the Health Education Campus of Case Western Reserve University and the Cleveland Clinic I'm Chris Wallace of Fox News and I welcome you to the first of the 2020 presidential debates between President Donald J. Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden. WALLACE: This debate is sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. The commission has designed the format, six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers from each candidate to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. Both campaigns have agreed to these rules. For the record, I decided the topics and the questions in each topic. I can assure you none of the questions has been shared with the commission or the two candidates. This debate is being conducted under health and safety protocols designed by the Cleveland Clinic, which is serving as the health security adviser to the commission for all four debates. As a precaution, both campaigns have agreed the candidates will not shake hands at the beginning of tonight's debate. WALLACE: The audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent. No cheers, no boos, or other interruptions so we, and more importantly you, can focus on what the candidates have to say. No noise, except right now as we welcome the Republican nominee, President Trump, and the Democratic nominee, Vice President Biden. BIDEN: How are you doing, man? TRUMP: How are you doing (ph)? BIDEN: I'm well. WALLACE: Gentlemen, a lot of people have been waiting for this night. So let's get going. Our first subject is the Supreme Court. President Trump, you nominated Amy Coney Barrett over the weekend to succeed the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court. You say the Constitution is clear about your obligation and the Senate's to consider a nominee to the court. Vice President Biden, you say that this is an effort by the president and Republicans to jam through an appointment and what you call an abuse of power. My first question to both of you tonight, why are you right and make the argument you make, and your opponent wrong? And where do you think a Justice Barrett would take the court? President Trump, on the first segment you go first. Two minutes. TRUMP: Thank you very much, Chris. I will tell you very simply we won the election. Elections have consequences. We have the Senate, we have the White House and we have a phenomenal nominee respected by all; top, top academic. Good in every way. Good in every way. In fact, some of her biggest endorsers are very liberal people from Notre Dame and other places. So I think she's going to be fantastic. We have plenty of time. Even if we did it after the election itself, I have a lot of time after the election, as you know. So I think that she will be outstanding. She's going to be as good as anybody that has served on that court. We really feel that. We have a professor at Notre Dame, highly respected by all; said she's the single greatest student he's ever had. He's been a professor for a long time at a great school. And we just -- we won the election and therefore we have the right to choose her, and very few people knowingly would say otherwise. And by the way, the Democrats, they wouldn't even think about not doing it. If they had -- the only difference is they'd try and do it faster. There's no way they would give it up. They had Merrick Garland, but the problem is they didn't have the election. So they were stopped. And probably that would happen in reverse also. Definitely it would happen in reverse. So we won the election and we have the right to do it, Chris. WALLACE: President Trump, thank you. Same question to you, Vice President Biden. You have two minutes. BIDEN: Well, first of all, thank you for doing this and looking forward to this, Mr. President. TRUMP: Thank you, Joe. BIDEN: I -- the American people have a right to have a say in who the Supreme Court nominee is. And that say occurs when they vote for a -- United States senators and when they vote for the president of United States. They're not going to get that chance now because we're in the middle of an election already. The election has already started. Tens of thousands of people have already voted, and so the thing that should happen is we should wait. We should wait and see what the outcome of this election is. Because that's the only way the American people get to express their view is by who they elect as president and who they elect as vice president. Now, what's at stake here is the president has made it clear he wants to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. He's been running on that, he ran on that, and he's been governing on that. He's in the Supreme Court right now trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, which will strip 20 million people from having insurance -- health insurance now, if it -- if they -- if it goes into court. And -- and the justice -- and I have nothing -- I'm not opposed to the justice, as she seems like a very fine person. But she's written before she went into the bench -- which is her right -- that she thinks that the Affordable Care Act is not constitutional. The other thing that's on the court -- and if it's struck down, what happens. Women's rights are fundamentally changed. Once again, a woman could be held -- pay more money because she has a pre-existing condition, a pregnancy. BIDEN: We're able -- they're able to charge women more for the same exact procedure a man did -- gets. And that ended when we, in fact, passed the Affordable Care Act. And there's 100 million people who have pre-existing conditions, and they'll be taken away as well, those pre-existing conditions; insurance companies are going to love this. And so it's just not appropriate to do this before this election. If he wins the election and the Senate is Democrat or Republican, then he goes forward. If not, we should wait until February. WALLACE: All right (ph). TRUMP: There aren't 100 million people with pre-existing condition. As far as say is concerned, the people already had their say. They -- OK. Justice Ginsburg said very powerfully, very strongly, at some point, 10 years ago or so, she said a president and the Senate is elected for period of time but a president is elected for four years. We're not elected for three years. I'm not elected for three years. So, we have the Senate, we have president -- BIDEN: He's elected to the next election. TRUMP: -- during that period of time, during that period of time, we have an opening. I'm not elected for three years, I'm elected for four years. And 100 million people -- BIDEN: The election has already started -- TRUMP: Joe, the 100 million people is totally wrong. I don't know where you got that number. The bigger problem that you have is that you're going to extinguish 180 million people with their private health care that they're very happy with. BIDEN: That's simply not true. TRUMP: Well, you're simply going to socialist -- you're going to socialist -- WALLACE: We're now into -- gentlemen, we're now into open discussion. BIDEN: Open discussion. WALLACE: Open discussion, yes, I agree. Go ahead, Vice President Biden. BIDEN: Number one, he knows that -- what I proposed. What I proposed is that we expand Obamacare and we increase it. We do not wipe any -- and one of the big debates we had with 23 of my colleagues trying to win back the nomination that I won, were saying that Biden wanted to allow people to have private insurance still. They can, they do, they will under my proposal. TRUMP: That's not what you've said and it's not what your party has said. BIDEN: That is simply a lie. TRUMP: Your party doesn't say it. Your party wants to go socialist medicine. BIDEN: My party is me. TRUMP: And socialist health care. BIDEN: Right now, I am the Democratic Party. TRUMP: And they're going to dominate you, Joe, you know that. BIDEN: I am the Democratic Party right now. The platform of the Democratic Party -- TRUMP: Not according to Harris. BIDEN: -- is what I, in fact, approved of. What I approved of. Now here's the deal: the deal is that it's going to wipe out pre- existing conditions. And by the way, the 20 -- the 200 million -- the 200,000 people that have died on his watch, they're -- how many of those and -- that have survived? Well, 7 million people have contracted COVID. What does it mean for them going forward if you strike down the Affordable Care Act? TRUMP: Joe, you've had 308,000 military people dying because you couldn't provide them proper health care in the military. So don't tell me about this. BIDEN: I'm happy to talk about this. TRUMP: And if you were here, it wouldn't be 200. It would be 2 million people because you were very late on the draw. BIDEN: Late on the draw. TRUMP: You didn't want me to ban China, which was heavily infected. You didn't want me to ban Europe which was heavily infected. WALLACE: All right, gentlemen -- TRUMP: You would have been much later, Joe. Much later. WALLACE: Mr. President, Mr. President -- TRUMP: We're talking about 2 million people. BIDEN: You're not going to -- WALLACE: Mr. President, as a moderator, we are going to talk about COVID in the next segment but go ahead. BIDEN: Let me finish. The point is that the president also is opposed to Roe v. Wade. That's on the ballot as well, in the court, in the court. And so, that's also at stake right now. And so, the election is already begun. TRUMP: You don't know what's on the ballot. Why is it on the ballot? BIDEN: Because -- because you've said -- TRUMP: Why is it on the ballot? It's not on the ballot. BIDEN: It's on the ballot, in the court. TRUMP: I don't think so. BIDEN: In the court. Well -- TRUMP: There's nothing happening there. BIDEN: Donald, would you just (inaudible) -- TRUMP: And you don't know her view on Roe v. Wade. You don't know her view. BIDEN: I don't know -- WALLACE: Well, all right, let's -- all right. Let's talk -- I would -- we've got a lot to unpack here, gentlemen. We got a lot of time. So -- WALLACE: On health care, and then we'll come back to Roe v. Wade. BIDEN: All right. WALLACE: Mr. President, the Supreme Court will hear a case a week after the election in which the Trump administration, along with 18 state attorneys general are seeking to overturn -- TRUMP: That's right. WALLACE: -- Obamacare, to end Obamacare. You had spent the last -- TRUMP: Because they want to give good health care -- WALLACE: If I may ask that question, sir. TRUMP: Go ahead. BIDEN: Good health care. WALLACE: Over the last four years, you have promised to repeal and replace Obamacare but you have never in these four years come up with a plan, a comprehensive plan -- TRUMP: Of course, I have. WALLACE: -- to replace Obamacare. TRUMP: Of course, I have. WALLACE: Well, I'll give you an -- TRUMP: I got rid of the individual mandate. WALLACE: -- when I finish, I'm going to give you an opportunity -- TRUMP: Excuse me. I got rid of the individual mandate which was a big chunk of Obama -- WALLACE: That is not a comprehensive plan. TRUMP: That is absolutely a big thing. That was the worst part of Obamacare. WALLACE: I didn't ask -- TRUMP: Chris, that was the worst part of Obama -- WALLACE: Sir, you're debating him, not me. Let me ask my question -- TRUMP: Well, I'll ask Joe. WALLACE: No -- TRUMP: The individual mandate was the most unpopular aspect of Obamacare. I got rid of it. And we will protect people with preexisting condition. WALLACE: I'm the moderator of this debate and I would like you to let me ask my question and then you can answer your -- TRUMP: Go ahead. WALLACE: You, in the course of these four years have never come up with a comprehensive plan to replace Obamacare and just this last Thursday, you signed a largely symbolic executive order to protect people with pre-existing conditions five days before this debate. So my question, sir, is what is the Trump health care plan? TRUMP: All right. Well, first of all, I guess I'm debating you, not him. But that's OK. I'm not surprise. Let me just tell you something, that there's nothing symbolic. I'm cutting drug prices. I'm going with favored nations which no president has the courage to do because you're going against big pharma. Drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90%. You could have done it during your 47-year period in government, but you didn't do it. Nobody has done it. So we are cutting health care... WALLACE: What about pre-existing conditions? TRUMP: All of the things that we've done... TRUMP: I'll give you an example, insulin. It's going to -- it was destroying families, destroying people, the cost. I am getting it for so cheap, it's like water, you want to know the truth. So cheap. Take a look at all of the drugs that -- what we're doing. Prescription drug prices, we're going to allow our governors now to go to other countries to buy drugs because they pay just a tiny fraction that we do. WALLACE: As I say, this is open discussion. Let me ask you about... TRUMP: This is big stuff. WALLACE: Sir, you'll be happy, I'm about to pick up on one of your points to ask the vice president, which is, he points out that you would like to add a public option to Obamacare, and the argument that he makes and other Republicans make is that that is going to end private insurance and will... BIDEN: It is not. Sorry. WALLACE: If I can ask you the question. It will end... TRUMP: Not what your party says, by the way. WALLACE: It will end private insurance and create a government takeover of health care. BIDEN: It does not. It's only for those people who are so poor they qualify for Medicaid, they can get that free in most states except governors who want to deny people who are poor Medicaid. Anyone who qualifies for Medicare -- excuse me, Medicaid would automatically be enrolled in the public option. The vast majority of the American people would still not be in that option. Number one. Number two... TRUMP: Joe, you agreed with Bernie Sanders's far left on the manifesto, we call it. BIDEN: Manifesto? Look... TRUMP: And that gives you socialized medicine. BIDEN: Look, hey, I'm not going to listen to him. The fact of the matter is I beat Bernie Sanders... TRUMP: Not by much. BIDEN: I beat him by a whole hell of a lot. I'm here standing facing you, old buddy. TRUMP: If "Pocahontas" would've left two days early, you would've lost every primary. BIDEN: All he knows how to do is hurt... TRUMP: On Super Tuesday, you got very lucky. BIDEN: Look, here's the deal. I got very lucky, I'm going to get very lucky tonight as well. And tonight I'm going to make sure because here's the deal. TRUMP: With what? BIDEN: Here's the deal. The fact is that everything he is saying so far is simply a lie. I'm not here to call out his lies. Everybody knows he's a liar. BIDEN: I just want to make sure... TRUMP: ... last in your class, not first in your class. BIDEN: God. I want to make sure... WALLACE: Mr. President, can you let him finish, sir? BIDEN: No, he doesn't know how to do that. He has... TRUMP: You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. Go ahead, Joe... BIDEN: The wrong guy, the wrong night, at the wrong time. TRUMP: Listen, you agreed with Bernie Sanders... BIDEN: Here's the deal... BIDEN: There is no manifesto, number one. WALLACE: Please let him speak, Mr. President. BIDEN: Number two... TRUMP: You just lost the left. BIDEN: Number two... TRUMP: You just lost the left. You agreed with Bernie Sanders on a plan that's absolutely... TRUMP: ... socialized medicine. WALLACE: Mr. President... BIDEN: I'll tell you what, he is not for any help for people needing health care. Because his... TRUMP: Who, Bernie? BIDEN: Because he, in fact, already has cost 10 million people their health care that they had from their employers because of his recession, number one. Number two, there are 20 million people getting health care through Obamacare now that he wants to take it away. He won't ever look you in the eye and say that's what he wants to do, take it away. Number three... TRUMP: No, I want to give them better health care at a much lower price because Obamacare is no good. BIDEN: He doesn't know how. He doesn't know how to do that. TRUMP: I've already fixed it. BIDEN: He has never offered a plan. TRUMP: I've already fixed it to an extent. BIDEN: He has never done a single thing. TRUMP: ... as you might know, but probably don't, Obamacare... WALLACE: Gentlemen, you realize that you are both speaking at the same time. Let the president -- go ahead, sir. TRUMP: Obamacare is no good, we made it better. And I had a choice to make very early on. We took away the individual mandate. We guarantee pre-existing conditions... BIDEN: Not true. TRUMP: ... but took away the individual mandate. Listen, this is the way it is. And that destroyed -- they shouldn't even call it Obamacare. I had a choice to make, do I let my people run it really well or badly? If I run a badly they will probably blame him but they will blame me. But more importantly, I want to help people, OK? I said, you've going to run it so well. BIDEN: That's what he's known for. TRUMP: And I just had a meeting with them. They said, the problem is no matter how well you run Obamacare, it's a disaster. It's too expensive, premiums are too high... WALLACE: I've got to... TRUMP: ... that it doesn't work. So we do want to get rid of it. WALLACE: I... TRUMP: Chris, we want to get rid of it and do something that's cheaper and better. WALLACE: I have to give you roughly equal time. Please let the vice president talk, sir. TRUMP: Good. BIDEN: He has no plan for health care. TRUMP: Of course we do. BIDEN: He sends... WALLACE: Please. BIDEN: He sends out wishful thinking. He has executive orders that have no power. He hasn't lowered drug costs for anybody. He has been promising a health care plan since he got elected. He has none. Like almost everything else he talks about. He does not have a plan. He doesn't have a plan. And the fact is this man doesn't know what he's talking about. He's... WALLACE: All right. I have one final question for you, Mr. Vice President. If Senate Republicans -- we were talking originally about the Supreme Court here. If Senate Republicans go ahead and confirm Justice Barrett, there has been talk about ending the filibuster or even packing the court, adding to the nine justices there. You called this a distraction by the president, but in fact it wasn't brought up by the president; it was brought up by some of your Democratic colleagues in the Congress. BIDEN: I'm saying... WALLACE: So my question to you, is you have refused in the past to talk about it. Are you willing to tell the American people tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster, or packing the court... BIDEN: Whatever the position I take on that, that will become the issue. The issue is the American people should speak. You should go out and vote. You're in voting now. Vote and let your senators know how strongly you feel. Vote now. Make sure you in fact let people know. TRUMP: He doesn't want to answer the question. BIDEN: I'm not going to answer that question because... TRUMP: Why wouldn't you answer that question? BIDEN: The question is... TRUMP: The radical left... BIDEN: Would you shut up, man? TRUMP: Who is on your list, Joe? Who's on your list? BIDEN: this is so unpresidential. TRUMP: He's not going to give a list. WALLACE: We have ended this segment; we are going to go onto the second segment. TRUMP: That was really a productive segment, wasn't it? BIDEN: Keep yapping, man. TRUMP: The people understand, Joe. Forty-seven years, you've done nothing, they understand. WALLACE: All right, the second subject is COVID-19, which is an awfully serious subject so let's try to be serious about it. We have had more than 7 million cases of coronavirus in the United States and more than 200,000 people have died. Even after we produce a vaccine, experts say that it could be months or even years before we come back to anything approaching normal. My question for both of you, is based on what you have said and done so far and what you have said you would do starting in 2021, why should the American people trust you more than your opponent to deal with this public health crisis going forward? In this case, the question goes it to you first, sir. Two minutes, uninterrupted. BIDEN: Good luck. Two hundred thousand dead. As you said, more than 7 million infected in the United States. We in fact have 5 percent -- we're 4 percent of the world's population -- 20 percent of the deaths. Forty thousand people a day or contracting COVID. In addition to that, about between 750 and 1,000 people a day are dying. When he was presented with that number, he said it is what it is. Well, it is what it is, because you are who you are. That's why it is. The president has no plan. He hasn't laid out anything. He knew all the way back in February how serious this crisis was. He knew it was a deadly disease. What did he do? He's on tape as acknowledging he knew it. He said he didn't tell us or give people a warning about it because he didn't want to panic and the American people. You don't panic; he panicked. In addition to that, what did he do? He went in and he -- we were insisting that the -- the -- the people we had on the ground in China should be able to go to Wuhan and determine for themselves how dangerous this was. He did not even ask Xi to do that. He told us what a great job Xi was doing. He said we owe him a debt of gratitude for being so transparent with us. And what did he do then? He then did nothing -- he waited and waited and waited. He still doesn't have a plan. TRUMP: Well... WALLACE: Sir, just a minute. BIDEN: I laid out back in March exactly what we should be doing. And I laid out again in July what we should be doing. We should be providing all the protective gear possible. We should be providing the money the House has passed in order to be able to go out and get people the help they need to keep their businesses open. Open schools, it cost a lot of money. You should get out of your bunker and out of the sand trap and your golf course and go in the Oval Office and bring together the Democrats and Republicans and fund what needs to be done now to save lives. TRUMP: So if would have listened to you... WALLACE: Wait, you have 2 minutes, sir. TRUMP: If we would've listened to you, the country would've been left wide open, millions of people would've died, not 200,000. And one person is too much. It's China's fault. It should've never happened. They stopped it from (ph) going in, but it was China's fault. And by the way when you talk about numbers, you don't know how many people died in China, you don't know how many people died in Russia, you don't know how many people died in India -- they don't exactly give you straight counts, just so you understand. But if you look at what we've done, I closed it and you said he's xenophobic; he's a racist and he's xenophobic because you didn't think... BIDEN: That's unrelated to your... TRUMP: ...should have closed our country. WALLACE: (Inaudible) it's his two minutes. TRUMP: You didn't think we should have closed our country because you thought it was too -- it was terrible. You wouldn't have closed it for another two months. By my doing it early, in fact, Dr. Fauci said President Trump saved thousands of lives. Many of your Democrat governors said President Trump did a phenomenal job. BIDEN: I know how to do the job. I know how to get the job done. TRUMP: Well, you didn't do very well in swine flu. BIDEN: And... TRUMP: H1N1, you were a disaster. Your own chief of staff said... BIDEN: Fourteen thousand... TRUMP: ... you were a disaster. BIDEN: Fourteen thousand people died, not 200,000. There was no economic recession. WALLACE: Let -- sir, you... TRUMP: Far less... WALLACE: You made a point. Let him answer it. BIDEN: And there was no one -- there was no -- we didn't shut down the economy. This is his economy that's being -- he shut down. The reason it's shut down is because, look, you folks at home, how many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table because someone died of COVID? How many of you are in a situation where you lost your mom or dad and you couldn't even speak to them; you had a nurse holding a phone up so you could in fact say goodbye? TRUMP: You would have lost far more people. BIDEN: How many people... TRUMP: Far more people. BIDEN: That is... TRUMP: And you would have been months late. BIDEN: And -- and by the way... BIDEN: ... your own -- his own -- his own CDC director says we could lose as many as another 200,000 people between now and the end of the year. And he held it up and he said, "If we just wear a mask, we can save half those numbers" -- just a mask. And by the way, in terms of the whole notion of a vaccine, we're for a vaccine, but we -- I don't trust him at all, nor do you. I know you don't. What we trust is a scientist. We trust Dr. Fauci. TRUMP: You don't trust Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer? BIDEN: We -- and, by the way... WALLACE: Gentlemen -- gentlemen, let me move on to questions about the future, because you both have touched on one of the -- two of the questions I'm going to ask. Focusing on the future first, President Trump, you have repeatedly either contradicted or been at odds with some of your government's own top scientists. The week before last, the head of the Centers for Disease Control, Dr. Redfield, said it would be summer before the vaccine would become generally available to the public. You said that he was confused and mistaken. Those were your two words. TRUMP: Yeah. WALLACE: But Dr. Slaoui, the head of your Operation Warp Speed, has said exactly the same thing. Are they both wrong? TRUMP: Well, I've spoken to the companies and we can have it a lot sooner. It's a very political thing, because people like this would rather make it political then save lives. BIDEN: God. TRUMP: It is a very political thing. I've spoken to Pfizer. I've spoken to all of the people that you have to speak to. We have great -- Moderna, Johnson and Johnson, and others. They can go faster than that by a lot. It's become very political because the Left -- or I don't know if I'd call them left, or... WALLACE: So you're suggesting that the head of your Operation Warp Speed, Dr. Slaoui... TRUMP: I disagree with him. Yeah. No, I disagree with both of them. And he didn't say that. He said it could be there, but it could also be much sooner. I had him in my office two days ago. WALLACE: He talked about the summer, sir, before it's generally available, just like Dr. Redfield. TRUMP: He said it's a possibility that we'll have the answer before November 1st. It could also be after that. WALLACE: I'm talking about when it's generally available, not when... TRUMP: Well, we're going to deliver it right away. We have the military all set up. Logistically, they're all set up. We have our military that delivers soldiers and they can do 200,000 a day. They're going to be... BIDEN: This is the same man... TRUMP: It's all set up. BIDEN: ... who told you, by Easter, this would be gone away, by the warm weather, it would be gone -- miraculous, like a miracle. And, by the way, maybe you could inject some bleach in your arm and that would take care of it. This is the same man. TRUMP: That was said sarcastically and you know that. BIDEN: That was... TRUMP: That was said sarcastically. BIDEN: And so here's the deal. This man is talking about a vaccine. Every serious -- every serious company is talking about maybe having a vaccine done by the end of the year. But the distribution of that vaccine will not occur until sometime beginning or the middle of next year to get it out, if we get the vaccine, and pray God we will. WALLACE: Mr. Vice President, I want to pick up... TRUMP: You'll have the vaccine sooner than that. WALLACE: I want to pick up on this question, though. You say the public can trust the scientists, but they can't trust President Trump. In fact, you said that again tonight. Your running mate, Senator Harris, goes further, saying the public health experts, quote, "will be muzzled, will be suppressed." Given the fact that polls already show that people are concerned about the vaccine and are reluctant to take it, are you and your running mate Senator Harris contributing to that fear? BIDEN: No more than the question you just asked him. You pointed out, he puts pressure and disagrees with his own scientists. WALLACE: But you're saying... WALLACE: ... Senator Harris is saying you can't trust the scientists. BIDEN: No, no, you can trust the scientists. She didn't say that. You can trust the scientists. WALLACE: She said that public health experts -- TRUMP: She did say that. WALLACE: -- quote, will be muzzled, will be suppressed. BIDEN: Yes, well, that's what he's going to try to do. But there's millions of scientists -- there's thousands of scientists out there, like here at this great hospital, that don't work for him. Their job doesn't depend on him. That's not -- they're the people -- they're -- and by the way -- TRUMP: We spoke to the scientists that are in charge. BIDEN: And by the way -- and -- TRUMP: They will have the vaccine very soon. WALLACE: Just let him finish. BIDEN: Do you believe for a moment what he's telling you in light of all the lies he's told you about the whole issue relating to COVID? He still hasn't even acknowledged that he knew this was happening, knew how dangerous it was going to be back in February and he didn't even tell you. He's on record as saying it. He panicked or he just looked at the stock market, one of the two. Because guess what, a lot of people died and a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter, a lot quicker -- TRUMP: So -- WALLACE: Mr. President? TRUMP: Did you use the word smart? So you went to Delaware State but you forgot the name of your college. BIDEN: Oh, give me a break man. TRUMP: Because you know what, there's nothing smart about you, Joe. Forty-seven years, you've done nothing. BIDEN: Well, let's to -- TRUMP: And if you would have had -- let me just tell you something, Joe. If you would have had the charge of what I was put through, I had to close the greatest economy in the history of our country. And by the way, now it's being built again and it's going up fast -- BIDEN: You see, he's -- WALLACE: We're going after the economy in the next segment, sir. BIDEN: OK. TRUMP: It's going up fast -- WALLACE: OK. TRUMP: -- look forward to -- WALLACE: When it comes to how the virus has been handled so far the two of you have taken very different approaches and this is going to affect how the virus is handled going forward by whichever of you ends up becoming the next president. I want to quickly go through several of those. Reopenings, Vice President Biden, you have been much more reluctant than President Trump about reopening the economy and schools. Why, sir? BIDEN: Because he doesn't have a plan. If I were running it, I'd know how -- what the plan is. You've got to provide these businesses the ability to have the money to be able to reopen with, the PPE as well as with the sanitation they need. You have to provide them -- TRUMP: Tell that to Nancy Pelosi. BIDEN: Will he just shush for a minute? TRUMP: Tell it to Nancy Pelosi and Schumer -- BIDEN: And by the way -- TRUMP: -- crying Chuck. BIDEN: Nancy Pelosi and Schumer, they have a plan. He won't even meet with them. The Republicans won't meet with him in the Senate -- WALLACE: OK -- BIDEN: And he -- and he sits -- he sits in his golf course, and I mean literally, think about it -- TRUMP: You probably play more than I do, Joe. BIDEN: Think about it. WALLACE: What about this question about reopening and the fact -- TRUMP: Well, he wants to shut down this country and I want to keep it open -- TRUMP: And we did a great thing by shutting it down -- BIDEN: He just admitted he shut it down -- WALLACE: Let -- let him finish, sir. TRUMP: Wait a minute, Joe. Let me shut you down for a second, Joe, just for one second. We want to -- he wants to shut down the country. We just went through it. We had to because we didn't know anything about the disease. Now, we found that elderly people with heart problems and diabetes and different problems are very, very vulnerable. We learned a lot. Young children aren't, even younger people aren't -- we've learned a lot. But he wants to shut it down. More people will be hurt by continuing -- if you look at Pennsylvania -- if you look at certain states that have been shut down, they have Democrat governors all. One of the reasons they shut down is because they want to keep it shut down until after the election on November 3rd -- WALLACE: I want to move onto another subject -- TRUMP: -- because it's a political thing. WALLACE: I want to move onto another subject -- BIDEN: I've got to respond to that. TRUMP: But those states -- WALLACE: I want to move -- TRUMP: Those states are not doing well that are shut down. WALLACE: Gentlemen, I want to move onto another subject -- BIDEN: I've got to respond to that. WALLACE: -- which is masks. TRUMP: He wants to shut down the whole country -- WALLACE: President Trump, you have begun to increasingly question the effectiveness of masks as a disease preventer. And in fact, recently you have cited the issue of -- of waiters touching their masks and touching plates. Are you questioning the efficacy of masks? TRUMP: No, I think that masks are OK. You have to understand, if you look -- I mean, I have a mask right here. I put a mask on, you know, when I think I need it. BIDEN: Just like your rallies. TRUMP: -- I wear masks when needed. When needed, I wear masks. WALLACE: OK, let me ask -- TRUMP: I don't have -- I don't wear masks like him. Every time you see him, he's got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from them and he shows up with the biggest mask I've ever seen. WALLACE: Vice President -- TRUMP: -- I look (ph) at like this (ph) -- WALLACE: -- Vice President Biden, go ahead, sir. BIDEN: Look, the way to open businesses is give them the wherewithal to be able to open. We provide money that Congress -- WALLACE: But I was asking you, sir, about masks. BIDEN: Well, masks -- masks make a big difference. His own head of the CDC said if we just wore a mask between now -- if they're -- everybody wore a mask and social distanced between now and January, we'd probably save up to 100,000 lives. It matters. It matters. TRUMP: And they've also said the opposite. They've also said the opposite. BIDEN: And no -- no serious person said the opposite. No serious person -- TRUMP: So we'll look at -- look at Dr. Fauci -- Dr. Fauci said the opposite -- BIDEN: He did not say the opposite. WALLACE: I want to ask you -- TRUMP: He said very strongly -- WALLACE: -- we've got a little bit longer than a minute left in this segment. TRUMP: -- masks are not good. Then, he changed his mind. He said masks are good -- WALLACE: I want to ask -- TRUMP: I'm OK with masks. I'm not fighting masks. WALLACE: I want to ask you both about one last subject because your different approaches has even affected the way that you have campaigned. President Trump, you're holding the large rallies with crowds packed together, thousands of people. TRUMP: Outside. WALLACE: Outside. Yes, sir. Agreed. Vice President Biden, you are holding much smaller events with - TRUMP: Because nobody will show up. WALLACE: -- people with masks. TRUMP: Well it's true. Nobody shows up to his rallies. WALLACE: All right. In any case, why are you holding the big rallies? Why you not? You go first, sir. TRUMP: Because people want to hear what I have to say. I mean - BIDEN: (inaudible) WALLACE: But are you not worried about it spreading disease? TRUMP: -- I've done a great job as a president and I'll have 25,000, 35,000 people show up at airports. We use airports and hangars. WALLACE: Are you not worried about the disease issue, sir? TRUMP: We have a lot of people -- well, so far we have had no problem whatsoever. It's outside. That's a big difference. According to the experts, we do them outside. We have tremendous crowds as you see. I mean, every -- and literally in 24 hours notice, and Joe does the circles and has three people some place. WALLACE: OK. BIDEN: By the way, did you -- did you - WALLACE: Got you. BIDEN: _- see one of the last big rallies he had and a reporter came up to him to ask him a question. He said, "No, no, no. Stand back. Put on your mask. Put on a mask. Have you been tested?" I'm way -- I'm way far away from those other people. That's what he said. I can't. I'm going to be OK. He's not worried about you. He's not worried about the people out there breathing on one another, cheek to jowl. TRUMP: We've had no negative effect. BIDEN: No negative effect. Come on. TRUMP: We've had no negative effect, and we've had -- WALLACE: Well -- TRUMP: -- 35,000, 40,000 people at these rallies. WALLACE: -- you want to just quickly finish up - BIDEN: Yes. WALLACE: -- because I want to move on to our next question? BIDEN: Yes, I would. He's been totally irresponsible the way in which he has handled the social distancing and people wearing masks, basically encouraging them not to. WALLACE: All right. BIDEN: He's been -- he's a fool on this. TRUMP: If you could get the crowds, you would have done the same thing, but you can't. Nobody cares. WALLACE: Gentlemen, can we move on to the - TRUMP: Nobody cares. WALLACE: Gentlemen, can we move onto the economy? TRUMP: Yes. WALLACE: The economy is, I think it's fair to say, recovering faster than expected from the shutdown - TRUMP: Much faster. WALLACE: -- in the second quarter. The unemployment rate fell to 8.4 percent last month. The Federal Reserve says the hit to growth, which is going to be there, is not going to be nearly as big as they had expected. President Trump, you say we are in a V-shaped recovery. Vice President Biden, you say it's more of a K-shape. What difference does that mean to the American people in terms of the economy? President Trump, in this segment you go first. TRUMP: So we built the greatest economy in history. We closed it down because of the China plague. When the plague came in, we closed it down, which was very hard psychologically to do. He didn't think we should close it down, and he was wrong. And again, two million people would be dead now instead of -- still 204,000 people is too much. One person is too much. It should have never happened from China, but what happened is we closed it down and now we're reopening, and we're doing record business. We had 10.4 million in a four-month period that we've put back into the workforce. That's a record the likes of which nobody's ever seen before, and he wants to close down the -- he will shut it down again. He will destroy this country. You know, a lot of people between drugs and alcohol and depression, when you start shutting it down you take a look at what's happening at some of your Democrat-run states where they have these tough shutdowns, and I'm telling you it's because they don't want to open it. One of them came out last week -- you saw that -- we're going to up on November 9. Why November 9? Because it's after the election. They think they're hurting us by keeping them closed. They're hurting people. People know what to do. They can social distance. They can wash their hands. They can wear masks. They can do whatever they want, but they got to open these states up. When you look at North Carolina, when you look -- and these governors are under siege -- Pennsylvania, Michigan, and a couple of others, you've got to open these states up. It's not fair. You're talking about almost it's like being in prison. And you look at what's going on with divorce, look at what's going on with alcoholism and drugs, it's a very, very sad thing. And he'll close down the whole country. This guy will close down the whole country and destroy our country. Our country is coming back incredibly well, setting records as it does it. We don't need somebody to come in and say let's shut it down. WALLACE: All right, your two minutes, sir. We're now moved to you. As I -- as I said posing the question, the president says it's a V-shape recovery. You say it's a K-shaped recovery. What's the difference? BIDEN: The difference is millionaires and billionaires like him in the middle of the COVID crisis have done very well, and other billionaires have raised -- have made another $300 billion because of his profligate tax proposal and he only focuses on the market. But you folks at home, you folks living in Scranton and Claymont and all the small towns and working-class towns in America, how well are you doing? This guy paid -- TRUMP: Well. BIDEN: -- a total of $750 in taxes. TRUMP: That's wrong. WALLACE: Sir, sir, no. Wait, no. Sir it's his turn - BIDEN: The economy -- TRUMP: It's just (ph) a wrong statement. WALLACE: Yes, I understand. You've agreed to the two minutes, so please let him have it. BIDEN: Do I get my time back? The fact is that he has, in fact, worked on this in a way that he's going to be the first President of the United States to leave office having fewer jobs in his administration than when he became president. First one in American history. Secondly, the people who have lost their jobs are those people who have been on the front lines. Those people who have been saving our lives, those people who have been out there dying. People who have been putting themselves in the way to make sure that we could all try to make it. And the idea that he is insisting that we -- and go forward and open when you have almost half the states in America with a significant increase in COVID deaths and COVID cases in the United States of America. And he wants to open it up more. Why does he want to open it up. Why doesn't he take care of the -- you can't fix the economy until you fix the COVID crisis. And he has no intention of doing anything about making it better for you all at home in terms of your health and your safety. Schools, why are schools open, because it cost a lot money to open them safely. You know they were going to give -- his administration were going to give the teachers in school students masks. And then they decided no, couldn't do that because it's not a national emergency. Not a national emergency. They've done nothing to help small businesses, nothing, they're closing. One in six is now gone. He ought to get on the job and take care of the needs of the American people so we can open safely. WALLACE: All right. Your time is up, sir. We are going to get to ... TRUMP: Well, I have to respond to that. WALLACE: Well, you both had two minutes, sir. TRUMP: Excuse me, he made a statement. WALLACE: So did you. TRUMP: People want their schools -- no. People want their schools open. They don't want to be shutdown. They don't want their states shutdown. They want their restaurants. I look at New York, it's so sad what's happening in New York. It's almost like a ghost town and I'm not sure it can ever recover what they've done in New York. People want their places open. They want to get back to their lives. BIDEN: People want to be safe. TRUMP: They'll be careful but they want their schools open. BIDEN: People want to be safe. TRUMP: I'm the one that brought back football. By the way, I brought back big fan football. It was me and I'm very happy to do it and the people of Ohio are very proud of me and ... WALLACE: We're going to get back with the gentleman -- we're going to get to your economic plans going forward in a moment. But first, Mr. President, as you well know there's a new report that in 2016, the year you were elected president and 2017 your first year as president, that you paid $750 a year in federal income tax each of those years. I know that you pay a lot of other taxes but I'm asking you this specific question, is it true that you pay $750 in Federal income taxes each of those two years. TRUMP: I've paid millions of dollars in taxes, millions of dollars of income tax. And let me just tell you, there was a story in one of the papers ... BIDEN: Show us your tax returns. TRUMP: ... I paid -- I paid $38 million one year. I paid $27 million one year. BIDEN: Show us your tax returns. TRUMP: I went -- you'll see it as soon as it's finished. You'll see it. You know if you wanted to, go to the Board of Elections, there's 118 page or so report that says everything I have, every bank I have. I'm totally underleveraged because the assets are extremely good and we have a very -- we have -- I built a great company. WALLACE: Sir, I'm asking you a specific question, which is ... TRUMP: But let me tell you ... WALLACE: I understand all of that -- I understand all of that ... TRUMP: But let me ... WALLACE: No, Mr. President ... TRUMP: Go ahead. WALLACE: ... I'm asking you a question. Will you tell us how much you paid in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017? TRUMP: Millions of dollars. WALLACE: You paid millions of dollars? TRUMP: Millions of dollars, yes. WALLACE: So not $750? TRUMP: Millions of dollars and you'll get to see it -- and you'll get to see it. BIDEN: When? TRUMP: But let me just tell you -- Chris, let me just you something that it was the tax laws -- I don't want to pay tax -- before I came here I was a private developer, I was a private business people. Like every other private person, unless they're stupid, they go through the laws and that's what it is. He passed a tax bill that gave us all these privileges for depreciation and for tax credits. We build a building and we get tax credits like the hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue, you get a massive ... WALLACE: OK. TRUMP: .... which by the way, was given to me by the Obama administration if you can believe that. Now the man got fired right after that happened ... WALLACE: No, no, let -- Vice President Biden, you want to respond? BIDEN: Yes, I do want to respond. Look, the tax code that made him -- put him in a position that he pays less tax than a school teacher makes -- on the money a school teacher makes is because of him taking -- he says he's smart because he can take advantage of the tax code. And he does take advantage of the tax code. That's why I'm going to eliminate the Trump tax cuts and we're going to -- I'm going to eliminate those tax cuts. TRUMP: That's OK (ph). BIDEN: And make sure that we invest in the people who in fact need the help. People out there need help. TRUMP: But why didn't you over 20 -- the last 25 years? BIDEN: Because you weren't president ... TRUMP: Why didn't you do it over the last 25 years? BIDEN: Because you weren't president screwing things up. TRUMP: No, no, no. You were a senator and by the way you were ... BIDEN: You're the worst president America has ever had. Come on. TRUMP: Hey -- hey, Joe, let me -- let me just say, Joe, I've done more in -- in 47 months I've done more than you've done in 47 years, Joe. We've done things that you never even thought of doing (ph). WALLACE: OK, gentlemen - TRUMP: Including fixing the broken military that you gave me, including taking care of your (ph) vets. WALLACE: Mr. President, we're talking about the economy. I'd like to ask you about your plans going forward because, Mr. Vice President, your economic plan if you were to be elected president focuses a lot on big government, big taxes, big spending. I want to focus first on the taxes. You proposed more than $4 trillion over a decade on new taxes on individuals making more than $400,000 a year and on corporations. President Trump says that that kind of an increase in taxes is going to hurt the economy as it's just coming out of a recession. BIDEN: Well, just take a look at what is the analysis done by Wall Street firms. It points out that my -- my economic plan would create 7 million more jobs than his in four years, number one. And number two, it would create an additional $1 trillion in economic growth because it would be about buying American. That we have to -- we're going to make this -- the federal government spent $600 billion a year on everything from ships to steel to buildings and the like. And under my proposal, we're going to make sure that every penny of that has to be made by a company in America. WALLACE: Respectfully, sir, I'm talking about taxes, not spending. BIDEN: By the way, I'm going to eliminate a significant number of the tax -- I'm going to make the corporate tax 28 percent. It shouldn't be 21 percent. You have 19 -- 91 companies, federal -- I mean, in the Fortune 500 who don't pay a single penny in tax, making billions of dollars. TRUMP: Why didn't you do it before when you were vice president with Obama? BIDEN: Because -- because you, in fact, passed that. That was your tax proposal. TRUMP: That's right. I got it -- I got it done, and you know what happened? BIDEN: Yeah, you got it done. TRUMP: Our economy boomed like it's never boomed before (ph) -- BIDEN: The economy -- let me finish. WALLACE: Mr. President, let me -- Mr. President, let me pick up on that. You would continue your free market approach, lower taxes, more deregulation, correct? BIDEN: Not lower taxes for the American people. WALLACE: Let me -- TRUMP: Excuse me -- WALLACE: But in Obama's -- you talk about the economy booming, it turns out that in Obama's final three years as president, more jobs were created, a million and a half more jobs than in the first three years of your presidency. TRUMP: They had the slowest recovery since 19 -- economic recovery, since 1929. It was the slowest recovery. Also, they took over something that was down here. All you had to do was turn on the lights and you pick up a lot, but they had the slowest economic recovery since 1929. Let me tell you about the stock market. When the stock market goes up, that means jobs. It also means 401(k)s. If you got in, if you ever became president with your ideas, you want to terminate my tax -- my taxes, I'll tell you what, you'll lose -- half of the companies that are poured in here will leave, and plenty of the companies -- BIDEN: Half of the companies -- TRUMP: -- that are already here, they'll leave for other places. BIDEN: Hardly any companies have -- TRUMP: They will leave and you will have a depression, the likes of which you've never seen. BIDEN: Look -- WALLACE: Mr. Vice President? BIDEN: -- we inherited the worst recession short of a depression in American history. I was asked to bring it back. We were able to have an economic recovery that created the jobs you're talking about. We handed him a booming economy. He blew it. TRUMP: It wasn't booming. BIDEN: He blew it. He blew it. TRUMP: It wasn't booming. It was -- it was the weakest recovery -- WALLACE: Wait, wait, wait. Is it fair to -- is it to fair to say he blew it when, in fact -- TRUMP: When COVID came in. BIDEN: No -- WALLACE: -- when there was record low unemployment before COVID? BIDEN: Yeah, because what he did, even before COVID, manufacturing went in the hole. Manufacturing went in a hole, number one. TRUMP: Excuse me, because wait -- BIDEN: Number two. TRUMP: Chris -- BIDEN: Number three -- TRUMP: -- they said it would take -- no, you're in number two. BIDEN: No. TRUMP: Chris, Chris, they said it would take a -- BIDEN: This guy is -- TRUMP: -- miracle to bring back manufacturing. I brought back 700,000 jobs. They brought back nothing. They gave up on manufacturing. Part of my standard fare He totally gave up on manufacturing. BIDEN: I'm the guy who brought back the automobile industry. WALLACE: All right. Let him in. BIDEN: We brought -- I was asked to bring back Chrysler and General Motors. We brought them back right here in the state of Ohio and Michigan. He blew it. They're gone. He blew it. And in fact, they're gone -- TRUMP: Ohio had the best year it's ever had last year. Michigan had the best year they've ever had. BIDEN: That is not true. TRUMP: Many car companies came in from Germany -- TRUMP: -- went to Michigan and went to Ohio. BIDEN: No, they're not having the -- TRUMP: And they didn't come in with you. WALLACE: Mr. Vice President, go ahead. BIDEN: And so, you take a look at what he's actually done. He's done very little. His trade deals are the same way. He talks about these great trade deals. You know, he talks about the art of the deal. China has made -- perfected the art of the steal. We have a higher deficit with China now than we did before. We have a highest deficit -- trade deficit with Mexico. TRUMP: China ate your lunch, down 18 (ph) percent -- WALLACE: All right, gentlemen -- TRUMP: And China ate your lunch, Joe, and no wonder, your son goes in and he takes out -- what -- he takes out billions of dollars. BIDEN: No. TRUMP: Takes out billions of dollars to manage. He makes millions of dollars. And also, while we're at it -- BIDEN: It's simply not true. TRUMP: -- why is it, just out of curiosity, the mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son $3.5 millions. BIDEN: That's not true. TRUMP: What did he do to deserve it? What did he do with Burisma to deserve $183,000 a month. BIDEN: None of that is true. None of that is true. WALLACE: Let him answer. If not... BIDEN: None of that is true. TRUMP: Oh, really? WALLACE: Mr. President, please. BIDEN: Totally discredited. Totally discredited. And by the way... TRUMP: He didn't get $3.5 million, Joe? He got $3.5 million. WALLACE: Mr. President... BIDEN: That is not true. TRUMP: Really? Oh. WALLACE: Mr. President, it's an open discussion, please. You've... TRUMP: It's a fact. WALLACE: Well, you have raised an issue, let the vice president answer. BIDEN: Totally discredited. TRUMP: Did Burisma pay him $183,000 a month with no experience in energy? WALLACE: Mr. President... BIDEN: My son did nothing wrong at Burisma. TRUMP: I think he did. WALLACE: Mr. President, let him answer. BIDEN: He doesn't want to let me answer because he knows I have the truth. His position has been totally thoroughly discredited. TRUMP: By who, the media? BIDEN: By everybody. And Ukraine. By everybody. Well, by the media, by our allies, by the World Bank, by everyone, has discredited. As a matter fact, matter of fact, even the people who testified... WALLACE: Mr. President, please stop. BIDEN: ... under oath, under oath. WALLACE: Go ahead, I'm listening to you. BIDEN: He testified under oath, and his administration said, I did my job and I did it very well. I did it honorably. TRUMP: I'd like to know who they are. BIDEN: Every -- well, I'll give you the list of the people who have testified. WALLACE: Go ahead, sir. BIDEN: You've already fired most of them because they did a good job. TRUMP: Some people don't do a good job. WALLACE: Wait a minute, you get the final word, Mr. Vice President. BIDEN: Well, it's hard to get any word in with this clown. Excuse me, this person. TRUMP: Hey, let me just say... WALLACE: No, no, no! Mr. President... BIDEN: That is simply not true. TRUMP: Why did he deserve $3.5 million from Moscow? BIDEN: Look, here's the deal. We want to talk about families and ethics. I don't want to do that. I mean, his family we could talk about all night. His family is already... TRUMP: My family... TRUMP: My family lost a fortune by coming down and helping us with government. BIDEN: This is not about my family or his family. It's about your family, the American people. He doesn't... TRUMP: ... $3.5 million he does nothing. BIDEN: That's not true. He doesn't want to talk about what you need. You, the American people. It's about you. That's what we are talking about here. It's not about him. WALLACE: All right. That's the end of the segment, we are moving on. BIDEN: He didn't take that. TRUMP: Can I be honest? It's a very important question. BIDEN: Try to be honest, it's a good thing. WALLACE: No, the answer to the question is no. TRUMP: Ukraine... WALLACE: No, I -- sir, sir. TRUMP: With a billion dollars if you don't get rid of the... BIDEN: That is absolutely not true. WALLACE: Gentlemen! I hate to raise my voice... TRUMP: He's on tape... WALLACE: Why shouldn't I be different than the two of you? So here's the deal. BIDEN: That's a good point. WALLACE: We have six segments. We have ended that segment, we're going to go to the next segment. In that segment, you are each going to have two uninterrupted moment. In those two uninterrupted minutes, Mr. President, you can say anything you want. I'm going to ask a question about race, but if you want to say something else, go ahead. But I think that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. I am appealing to you, sir, to do that. TRUMP: Well, and him too. WALLACE: Well, frankly, you've been doing more interrupting than he has. TRUMP: Well, that's all right. But he does plenty. WALLACE: Well, sir, less than... TRUMP: He does plenty. WALLACE: No, less than you have. Let's please continue on. The issue of race. Vice President Biden, you say that President Trump's response to the violence in Charlottesville three years ago when he talked about "very fine people on both sides" was what directly led you to launch this run for president. TRUMP: Oh, yes, sure. WALLACE: President Trump, you have often said that you believe you have done more for Black Americans than any president with a possible exception of Abraham Lincoln. My question for the two of you is why should voters trust you rather than your opponent to deal with the race issues facing this country over the next four years? Vice President Biden, you go first. BIDEN: It's about equity and equality. It's about decency. It's about the Constitution. And we have never walked away from trying to require equity for everyone, equality for the whole of America. But we never accomplished it. But we've never walked away from it, like he has done. It is true, the reason I got in the race is when those people, close your eyes, remember what those people looked like coming out of the fields carrying torches, their veins bulging, just spewing antisemitic bile, and accompanied by the Ku Klux Klan. A young woman got killed. And they asked the president what he thought. He said there were very fine people on both sides. No president has ever said anything like that. BIDEN: Now, second point I'd make to you is that when Floyd was killed, when Mr. Floyd was killed, there was a peaceful protest in front of the White House. What did he do? He came out of his bunker, had the military use tear gas on them so you could walk across to a church and hold up a Bible. And then what happened after that? The bishop of that very church said that it was a disgrace. The general who was with him said all he ever wanted to do is divide people, not unite people at all. This is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle to try to generate racist hatred, racist division. This is a man who in fact, you talk about helping African-Americans, one in 1,000 African-Americans has been killed because of the coronavirus. And if he doesn't do something quickly, by the end of the year, one in 500 will have been killed. One in 500 African-Americans. This man, this man is a savior of African-Americans? This man cares at all? This man has done virtually nothing. Look, the fact is you have to look at what he talks about. You have to look at what he did, and what he did has been disastrous for the African-American community. TRUMP: So... WALLACE: President Trump, you have 2 minutes. Why should Americans trust you over your opponent to deal with racism? TRUMP: You did a crime bill, 1994, when you call them super predators, African-Americans, super predators, and they've never forgotten it. They've never forgotten it, Joe. BIDEN: I never sir... WALLACE: No, sir; it's his two minutes. TRUMP: So you did that and they called you a super predator and I'm letting people out of jail now that you have treated the African- American population, community, you have treated the black community about as bad as anybody in this country. You did the -- and that's why if you look at the polls, I'm doing better than any Republican has done in a long time because they saw what you did. You call them super predators and you've called them worse than that because you look back at your testimony over the years, you've called them a lot worse than that. As far as the church is concerned and as far as the generals are concerned, we just got the support of 250 military leaders and generals, total support. Law enforcement, almost every law enforcement group in the United States. I have Florida, I have Texas, I have Ohio, I have everybody. Excuse me, Portland, the sheriff just came out today and he said I support President Trump. I don't think you have any law enforcement. You can't even say the word law enforcement because if you say those words, you're going to lose all of your radical left supporters. And why aren't you saying those words, Joe? Why don't you say the words law enforcement? Because you know what, if they called us in Portland, we would put out that fire in half an hour but they won't do it because they're run by radical left Democrats. If you look at Chicago, if you look at every place you want to look, Seattle. They heard we were coming in the following day and they put up their hands and we got back Seattle. Minneapolis, we got it back, Joe, because we believe in law and order but you don't. The top ten cities and just about the top 40 cities are run by Democrats and in many cases, radical left, and they've got you wrapped around their finger, Joe, to the point where you don't want to say anything about law and order. I tell you what, the people of this country want and demand law and order and you're afraid to even say it. WALLACE: All right, I'm going to return to the question of race. Vice President Biden, after the grand jury and the Breonna Taylor case decided not to charge any of the police with homicide, you said it raises the question, quote "whether justice could be equally applied in America." do you believe that there is a separate but unequal system of justice for blacks in this country? BIDEN: Yes, there is. There is a systemic injustice in this country; in education, and work and -- and -- and in law enforcement and the way in which it's enforced. But look, the vast majority of police officers are good, decent, honorable men and women. The risk their lives every day to take care of us, but there are some bad apples and when they occur, when they find them, they have to be sorted out. They have to be held accountable. They have to be held accountable. And what I'm going to do as president of the United States is call a -- together an entire group of people at the White House, everything from the civil rights groups to the police officers, the police chiefs and we're going to work this out. We're going to work this out so we change the way in which we have more transparency and when these things happen. These cops aren't happy to see what happened to-- to -- to George Floyd. These cops aren't happy to see what happened to Breonna Taylor. Most don't like it, but we have to have a system where people are held accountable. And by the way, violence and response is never appropriate. Never appropriate. Peaceful protest is. Violence is never appropriate. TRUMP: What is peaceful protest? When they run through the middle of the town... WALLACE: President Trump? TRUMP: ...and burn down your stores... WALLACE: President Trump, I... TRUMP: ...and kill people all over the place? BIDEN: That is not peaceful protest... WALLACE: President Trump, I'm not asking... TRUMP: But you say it is. WALLACE: President Trump, I'd like to continue to the issue of race and I promise we will get to the issue of law and order in a moment. TRUMP: Please. All right. WALLACE: This month, your administration directed federal agencies to end racial sensitivity training that addresses white privilege or critical race theory. Why did you decide to do that, to end racial sensitivity training? And do you believe that there is systemic racism in this country, sir? TRUMP: I ended it because it's racist. I ended it because a lot of people were complaining that they were asked to do things that were absolutely insane, that it was a radical revolution that was taking place in our military, in our schools, all over the place. And you know it and so does everybody else. WALLACE: What is radical... TRUMP: And he would know... TRUMP: ... totally racist. WALLACE: What is radical about racial sensitivity training, sir? TRUMP: If you were a certain person, you had no status in life. It was, sort of, a reversal. And if you look at the people, we were paying people hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach very bad ideas and, frankly, very sick ideas. And, really, they were teaching people to hate our country. And I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to allow that to happen. We have to go back to the core values of this country. They were teaching people that our country is a horrible place; it's a racist place. And they were teaching people to hate our country. And I'm... BIDEN: No one... TRUMP: ... not going to allow that to happen. WALLACE: Vice President Biden? BIDEN: Nobody's doing that. He's just -- he's the racist. TRUMP: Oh, you -- you just don't... BIDEN: Here's the deal. TRUMP: ... know. BIDEN: I know a lot more about this than you. TRUMP: You don't know this. WALLACE: Let him finish. BIDEN: The fact is that there is racial insensitivity. People have to be made aware of what other people feel like, what -- what insults them, what is demeaning to them. It's important that people know. They don't want to -- many people don't want to hurt other people's feelings. But it's -- it makes a big difference. It makes a gigantic difference in the way a child is able to grow up and have a sense of self-esteem. It's a little bit like how this guy and his friends looked down on so many people. They looked down their nose on people like Irish Catholics like me who grew up in Scranton. They looked down on people who don't have money. They looked down on people who are of a different faith. They looked down on people who are a different color. In fact, we're all Americans. The only way we're going to bring this country together is bring everybody together. There's nothing we cannot do if we do it together. We can take this on and we can defeat racism in America. WALLACE: Vice President -- I mean, President Trump, sir? TRUMP: During the Obama-Biden administration, there was tremendous division. There was hatred. You look at Ferguson. You look at -- you go to very -- many places. Look at Oakland. Look what happened in Oakland. Look what happened in Baltimore. Look what happened -- frankly, it was more violent than what I'm even seeing now. BIDEN: Oh, my Lord. TRUMP: But the reason... BIDEN: This is ridiculous... TRUMP: ... is that the Democrats that run the cities... BIDEN: ... absolutely ridiculous. TRUMP: ... don't want to talk, like you, about law and order. BIDEN: Violent crime -- violent crime... TRUMP: And you still haven't mentioned -- are you in favor of law and order? BIDEN: I am in favor of law, you following it, and... TRUMP: Are you in favor of law and order... WALLACE: You asked a question. Let him finish. BIDEN: Law and order... WALLACE: Let him... BIDEN: Law and order with justice, where people get treated fairly. TRUMP: OK. BIDEN: And the fact of the matter is violent crime went down 17 percent, 15 percent, in our administration. WALLACE: All right. BIDEN: It's gone up on his watch. TRUMP: It went down much more in ours. BIDEN: He had -- he... BIDEN: ... the United States of America. WALLACE: Mr. President... TRUMP: ... every record in the book. WALLACE: Mr. President, you're going to be very happy because... TRUMP: Excuse me... WALLACE: ... we're now going to talk about law and order. TRUMP: The places we had trouble were Democratic-run cities. WALLACE: That's exactly my question. WALLACE: There has been a dramatic increase in homicides in America this summer particularly. And you often blame that on Democratic mayors and Democratic governors. But in fact, there have been equivalent spikes in Republican-led cities like Tulsa and Fort Worth. So the question is, is this really a party issue? TRUMP: I think it's a party issue. You can bring in a couple of examples, but if you look at Chicago, what's going on in Chicago, where 53 people were shot and eight died -- shot; if you look at New York, where it's going up like nobody has ever seen anything. The numbers are going up 100 percent, 150 percent, 200 percent, crime. BIDEN: Republican cities... TRUMP: It is crazy what's going on. And he doesn't want to say law and order because he can't, because he'll lose his radical Left supporters, and once he does that, it's over with. But if he ever got to run this country and they ran it the way he would want to run it, we would have... BIDEN: No way. TRUMP: Our suburbs would be gone. BIDEN: Suburbs? TRUMP: Our suburbs would be gone. And you would see problems like you've never seen. BIDEN: He wouldn't know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn. TRUMP: Oh, I know suburbs. BIDEN: He would not -- I was raised... WALLACE: Go ahead -- wait a minute... BIDEN: I was raised in the suburbs. This is not 1950. All these dog whistles and racism don't work anymore. Suburbs are by and large integrated. There are as many people today driving their kids to soccer practice and/or to -- black and white and Hispanic in the same car as there have been at any time in the past. What's -- what really is a threat to the suburbs and their safety is his failure to deal with COVID -- they're dying in the suburbs; his failure to deal with the environment. They're being flooded. They're being burned out because his refusal to do anything. That's why the suburbs are in trouble. WALLACE: I do want to talk about this issue of law and order, though. And in the joint recommendation that came from the Biden-Bernie Sanders task force, you talked about, quote, "re-imagining policing." First of all, what does reimagining policing mean? And do you support -- BIDEN: It means -- WALLACE: Let me, if I might finish the question. What does reimagining policing mean and do you support the Black Lives Matter call for community control of policing? BIDEN: Look, what I support is the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face. And I'm -- I'm totally opposed to defunding the police offices. As a matter of fact, police -- the local police, the only one defunding in his budget calls for a $400 million cut in local law enforcement assistance. They need more assistance. They need, when they show up for a 911 call, to have someone with them as a psychologist or a psychiatrist to keep them from having to use force and be able to talk people down. We have to have community policing like we had before, where the officers get to know the people in the communities. That's when crime went down. It didn't go up, it went down. And so, we have to be engaged -- TRUMP: That's not what they're talking about, Chris. That's not what -- BIDEN: That's what -- that's exactly -- TRUMP: He's talking about defunding the police. BIDEN: That -- that is not true. TRUMP: He doesn't have any law support -- BIDEN: Would (ph) you -- look -- TRUMP: He has no law enforcement support, almost nothing. BIDEN: That's not -- look -- TRUMP: Oh really? Why do you have? Name one group that supports you. Name one group that came out and supported you. BIDEN: Look -- TRUMP: Go ahead -- BIDEN: Look -- TRUMP: -- think. We have time. BIDEN: We don't have time to do anything except -- TRUMP: No, no, think about it. WALLACE: All right -- BIDEN: All right, folks -- TRUMP: Name one law enforcement group -- BIDEN: Folks -- TRUMP: -- that came out and supported you, Joe. WALLACE: I think -- I think -- gentlemen, I think I'm going to -- I'm going to take back the moderator's role -- TRUMP: There aren't -- I don't think there are any. WALLACE: -- and I want -- and I want to get to another subject, which is the issue of protests in many cities that have turned violent. In Portland, Oregon, especially, we had more than 100 straight days of protests -- which I think you would agree, you talk about peaceful protests -- many of those turned into riots. Mr. Vice President, you say that people who commit crimes should be held accountable. The question I have though is, as the Democratic nominee -- and earlier tonight you said that you are the Democratic Party night now -- have you ever called the Democratic mayor of Portland or the Democratic governor of Oregon and said, hey, you've got to stop this. Bring in the National Guard, do whatever it takes. But you'd stop the days and months of violence in Portland. BIDEN: I don't hold public office now. I am a former vice president. I've made it clear. I've made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted. It should be prosecuted and anyone who commits it should be prosecuted -- WALLACE: But you've never called for the people -- TRUMP: He's not about (ph) that -- WALLACE: -- the leader -- excuse me, sir. You have never called for the leaders in Portland and in Oregon to call and bring in the National Guard and knock off 100 days of riots? BIDEN: Because they can, in fact, take care of it if he'd just stay out of the way -- TRUMP: Oh -- oh really? BIDEN: Look, here -- TRUMP: Oh really? BIDEN: Here's the thing -- WALLACE: Well, sir -- but I asked him a question -- TRUMP: I sent in the U.S. Marshals to get the killer of the young man in the middle of the street. They shot him. And for three days -- WALLACE: President Trump -- TRUMP: -- Portland wouldn't do anything. WALLACE: -- I have to interrupt -- President Trump -- TRUMP: I had to send in the U.S. Marshals, they took care of business. WALLACE: Go ahead, sir. BIDEN: And -- and by the way, his own former spokesperson said riots and chaos and violence help his cause. That's what this is all about. TRUMP: I don't know who said that. BIDEN: I do. TRUMP: Who? Who? BIDEN: I think Kellyanne Conway. TRUMP: I don't think she said that. BIDEN: She said that. TRUMP: I don't -- BIDEN: And so here's the -- WALLACE: All right. BIDEN: Well, here's the point. WALLACE: Go ahead, sir. BIDEN: The point is that's why just keeps trying to rile everything up. He doesn't want to calm things down. Instead of going in and talking to people and saying let's get everybody together, figure out how to deal with this, what's he do, he just pours gasoline in the fire constantly every single solitary time -- WALLACE: OK. And -- and to end this -- button up this segment, I'm going to give you a minute to answer, sir. You have repeatedly criticized -- TRUMP: Well, wait a minute. I have to answer his statement -- his statement -- WALLACE: You have repeatedly -- TRUMP: Wait, just one second. WALLACE: You have -- no, you've been talking back and forth. TRUMP: He made a statement. WALLACE: I'm asking you -- TRUMP: I would love to end it. WALLACE: You know, sir -- you know, if you want to switch seats we could -- TRUMP: We could very quickly -- WALLACE: -- we could do that. But I'm -- TRUMP: Send in the National Guard, it would be over. There'd be no problem. WALLACE: OK, good. TRUMP: But they don't want to accept the National Guard. WALLACE: You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left-wing extremist groups -- TRUMP: That's right. WALLACE: But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups -- TRUMP: Sure. WALLACE: -- and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? TRUMP: Sure, I'm willing to do that but -- WALLACE: Are you prepared to specifically -- BIDEN: Then do it. WALLACE: Well, go ahead, sir. TRUMP: I would say -- I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. WALLACE: So what are you -- what are you -- TRUMP: If you look -- WALLACE: What are you saying? TRUMP: I'm -- I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace. WALLACE: Well, then do it, sir. BIDEN: Say it. Do it. Say it. TRUMP: Do you want to call them -- what do you want to call them? Give me a name. Give me a name, go ahead. WALLACE: White supremacists and -- BIDEN: White supremacists -- TRUMP: Well, who would like me condemn? WALLACE: White supremacists (ph) and right (ph) -- TRUMP: Who? WALLACE: -- militia. TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand by and stand by. But I'll tell you what -- I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right-wing problem. BIDEN: His own -- TRUMP: This is a left wing -- BIDEN: His own - his own FBI Director said (inaudible) - TRUMP: -- a left-wing - this is a left-wing problem. BIDEN: -- threat (inaudible) White Supremacist. WALLACE: Go ahead. Go ahead, sir. BIDEN: ANTIFA'S an idea, not an organization. TRUMP: Oh, you got to be kidding me. BIDEN: Not malicious. TRUMP: Oh really? BIDEN: That's what his FBI - TRUMP: OK. BIDEN: -- his FBI Director said. WALLACE: Gentlemen, we're going to - TRUMP: Well then, you know what? He's wrong. WALLACE: No, no. We're done. We're done, sir. We're moving on to the next - we're moving - BIDEN: Everybody (inaudible) advice in your administration - TRUMP: When a bat hits you over the head (ph), that's not an idea. ANTIFA is bad. BIDEN: Everybody in your administration tells you the truth is a bad idea. TRUMP: Can I tell you what? BIDEN: You have no ideas that are - TRUMP: ANTIFA is a dangerous, radical group. WALLACE: All right, gentlemen, we're not moving onto the Trump and Biden records. TRUMP: -- and you ought to be careful with them. They'll overthrow you in a few seconds (ph). WALLACE: When a president - I'm going to ask a question. TRUMP: Because there has never been an administration or president who has done more than I've done in a period of three and a half years, and that's despite the impeachment hoax, and you saw what happened today with Hillary Clinton where it was a whole, big con job. But despite going through all of these things where I had to fight both flanks and behind me and above there has never been an administration that's done what I've done. The greatest before COVID came in, the greatest economy in history, lowest unemployment numbers. Everything was good. Everything was going. And by the way there was unity going to happen. People were calling me. For the first time in years they were calling, and they were saying it's time maybe. And then what happened? We got hit, but now we're building it back up again. A rebuilding of the military, including Space Force and all of the other things, a fixing of the VA, which was a mess under him. 308,000 people died because they didn't have proper healthcare. It was a mess. BIDEN: So wrong (ph). TRUMP: And we now got a 91 percent approval rating at the VA. Our vets - we take care of our vets, but we've rebuilt our military. The job that we've done - and I'll tell you something. Some people say maybe the most important. By the end of the first term I'll have approximately 300 federal judges and court of appeals judges, 300, and hopefully three great Supreme Court judges - justices. That is a record the likes of which very few people - and you know one of the reasons I'll have so many judges? Because President Obama and him left me 128 judges to fill. When you leave office, you don't leave any judges. That's like you just don't do that. They left 128 openings, and if I were a member of his party, because they have a little different philosophy, I'd say if you left us 128 openings you can't be a good president, you can't be a good vice president. But I want thank you because it gives us almost - it'll probably be above that number. By the end of this term - WALLACE: Time, sir. TRUMP: -- 300 judges. It's a record. WALLACE: Looking at both your records, why should voters elect you president as opposed to president Trump? BIDEN: Under this president - WALLACE: You have two minutes uninterrupted. BIDEN: Under this president, we've become weaker, sicker, poorer, more divided, and more violent. When I was vice president, we inherited a recession. I was asked to fix it. I did. We left him a booming economy, and he caused a recession. With regard to being weaker, the fact is that I've gone head-to-head with Putin and made it clear to him we're not going to take any of his stuff. He's Putin's puppy. He still refuses to even say anything Putin about the bounty on the heads of American soldiers. TRUMP: Your son got $3.5 million. WALLACE: No, no, no. BIDEN: (inaudible) OK, and by the way, my son - TRUMP: (inaudible) WALLACE: Mr. President. No, wait a minute. Mr. President, your campaign agreed to both side would get two-minute answers uninterrupted. Well, your side agreed to it, and why don't you observe what your campaign agreed to as a ground rule. OK, sir? BIDEN: He never keeps his word. You can add back - TRUMP: (inaudible). WALLACE: No, no, no. I'm not asking. TRUMP: (inaudible). That's all. WALLACE: That was a rhetorical question. Go ahead, sir. BIDEN: Can you add back 30 seconds? WALLACE: Yes, yes. You may have - BIDEN: All right. WALLACE: Go ahead. BIDEN: So thirdly, we're poorer. The billionaires have gotten much more wealthy by a tune of over $300 billion to $400 billion more just since COVID. You in the home, you got less. You're in more trouble that you were before. In terms of being more violent, when we were in office there were 15 percent less violence in America than there is today. He's president of the United States. It's on his watch. And with regard to more divided, the nation can't stay divided. We can't be this way. And speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being - and just being suckers, my son was in Iraq. He spent a year there. He got the - he got the Bronze Star. He got the Conspicuous Service Medal. He was not a loser. He was a patriot and the people left behind there were heroes. TRUMP: Oh really. Really? BIDEN: And I resent like hell ... TRUMP: Are you talking about Hunter? BIDEN: I'm talking of my son Bo Biden, you're talking about ... TRUMP: I don't know -- I don't know Bo, I know Hunter. Hunter got thrown -- Hunter got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out, dishonorably discharged for cocaine use. BIDEN: That's not true, he wasn't dishonorably ... TRUMP: And he didn't have a job until you became vice president. And once you became vice president ... BIDEN: None of that is true. TRUMP: ... he made a fortune in Ukraine, in China, in Moscow, and various other places. BIDEN: That is simply not true. TRUMP: He made a fortune. BIDEN: My son -- my son ... WALLACE: Gentlemen ... TRUMP: And he didn't have a job. BIDEN: My son, like a lot of people -- like a lot of people we know at home had a drug problem. He's over taken it. He's -- he's fixed it -- he's worked on it and I'm proud of him. I'm proud of my son. TRUMP: By why was he given tens of millions of dollars. BIDEN: But he wasn't given tens of millions of -- that is totally ... TRUMP: He was given tens of millions of dollars. BIDEN: That is totally -- that's a totally ... WALLACE: President Trump, you've already -- but we've already -- we've already ... BIDEN: ... totally discredited. WALLACE: We've -- we've already been through this. I think the American people would rather here about more substantial subjects. TRUMP: So do I. WALLACE: Well, you know, as the moderator, sir, I'm going to make a judgment call here ... TRUMP: I know but when somebody gets $3.5 million from the mayor of Moscow, I think it's a terrible thing. WALLACE: OK. Right. Let's talk about -- let's about ... BIDEN: That is not true. That report is totally discredited. TRUMP: Why did he get it? WALLACE: I -- I -- I think ... BIDEN: Mitt Romney on that committee said it wasn't worth tax payers' money. That report is written for political reason. WALLACE: You know, I'd like to talk about climate change. BIDEN: So would I. WALLACE: OK. The forest fires in the west are raging now. They have burned millions of acres. They have displaced hundreds of thousands of people. When state officials there blame the fires on climate change, Mr. President, you said I don't think the science knows. Over your four years you have pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord. You have rolled back a number of Obama environmental records. What do you believe about the science of climate change and what will you do in the next four years to confront it? TRUMP: I want crystal clean water and air. I want beautiful clean air. We have now the lowest carbon. If you look at our numbers right now, we are doing phenomenally. But I haven't destroyed our businesses. Our businesses aren't put out of commission. If you look at the Paris Accord, it was a disaster from our stand point. And people are actually very happy about what's going on because our businesses are doing well. As far as the fires are concerned, you need forest management. In addition to everything else; the forest floors are loaded up with trees, dead trees that are years old and they're like leaves and everything else. You drop a cigarette in there, the whole forest burns down. You've got to have forest management, you've got to have cuts ... WALLACE: What do you believe -- what do you believe about the science of climate change, sir? TRUMP: I believe that we have to do everything we can to have immaculate air, immaculate water and do whatever else we can that's good. You know we're planting a billion trees, the Billion Tree Project. And it's very exciting for a lot of people. WALLACE: Do you believe that -- that human pollution -- gas -- greenhouse gas emissions contributes to the global warming of the planet? TRUMP: I think a lot of things do but I think to an extent yes -- I think to an extent yes. But I also think we have to do better management of our forest. Every year I get the call California is burning. California is burning. If that was cleaned -- if that were -- if you have forest management, good forest management, you wouldn't be getting those calls. You know in Europe they live -- they have forest cities -- they're called forest cities. They maintain their forest, they manage their forest. I was with the head of major country. It's a forest city. He said, sir, we have trees that are far more -- they -- they ignite much easier than California. There shouldn't be that problem. I spoke with the governor about it. I'm getting along very well with the governor. But I said, you know, at some point you can't every year have hundreds of thousands of acres of land just burn to the ground. That's burning down because of a lack of management. WALLACE: But sir, if you believe in the science of climate change, why have you rolled back the Obama clean power plan, which limited carbon emissions in power plants. Why have you relaxed ... TRUMP: Because it was driving energy prices through the sky ... WALLACE: Why have you relaxed fuel economy standards that are going to create more pollution form cars and trucks? TRUMP: Well, not really because what's happening is the car is much less expensive and it's a much safer car and you're talking about a tiny difference. And then what would happen because of the cost of the car, you would have at least double and triple the number of cars purchased. We have the old slugs out there that are 10, 12 years old. If you did that, the car would be safer, it would be much cheaper by ... WALLACE: But in the case of California, they've simply ignored ... TRUMP: No, but you would take a lot of cars off the market because people would be able to afford a car. Now -- so -- and by the way, we're going to see how that turns out but a lot of people agree with me, many people. The care has gotten so expensive because they have computers all over the place for an extra little bit of gasoline. WALLACE: OK. TRUMP: And by the -- and -- and -- and I'm OK with electric cars too. I think -- I'm all for electric cars. I've given big incentives for electric cars. But what they've done in California is just crazy. WALLACE: All right. Vice President, I'd like to respond to the president's climate change record. But I also want to ask you about a concern. You proposed $2 trillion in green jobs. You talk about new limits. Not abolishing. But new limits on fracking, ending the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity by 2035, and zero net emission of greenhouse gases by 2050. The president says a lot of these things would tank the economy and cost millions of jobs. BIDEN: He's absolutely wrong, number one. Number two, if in fact when -- when our -- during our administration, the Recovery Act, I was able to -- I was in charge -- able to bring down the cost of renewable energy to cheaper than or as cheap as coal and gas and oil. Nobody is going to build another coal fired plant in America. No one is going to build another oil fire plant in America. They're going to move to renewable energy -- number one. Number two, we're going to make sure that we are able to take the federal fleet and turn it into a fleet that's run on their electric vehicles. Making sure that we can do that, we're going to put 500,000 charging stations in all of the highways that we're going to be building in the future. We're going to build an economy that, in fact, is going to provide for the ability, us (ph), to take 4 million buildings and make sure that they, in fact, are weatherized in a way that, in fact, they'll -- they'll emit significantly less gas and oil because the heat will not be going out. There are so many things that we can do now to create thousands and thousands of jobs. We can get to net zero in terms of energy production by 2035. Not only not costing people jobs, creating jobs, creating millions of good paying jobs. Not 15 bucks an hour, but prevailing wage, by having a new infrastructure that, in fact, is green. And the first thing I will do, I will rejoin the Paris Accord. I will join the Paris Accord because with us out of it, look what's happening. It's all falling apart. And talk about someone who has no -- no relationship to -- with foreign policy. Brazil, the rainforest in Brazil are being torn down, are being ripped down. More -- more carbon is absorbed in that rainforest than every bit of carbon that's emitted in the United States. Instead of doing something about that, I would be gathering up and making sure we had the countries of the world coming up with $20 billion and say, here's $20 billion, stop -- stop tearing down the forest. And if you don't, then you're going to have significant economic consequences or consequence (ph). WALLACE: What about -- what about the argument that President Trump basically says that you have to balance environmental interest and economic interest and he's drawn his line? BIDEN: Well, he hasn't drawn a line. He still, for example, makes sure that we -- he wants to make sure that methane is not a problem. We can -- you can now emit more methane without it being a problem. Methane. TRUMP: Not true. BIDEN: This is a guy who says that you don't have to have mileage standards for automobiles that exist now. This is a guy who says that -- TRUMP: Not true, not true. BIDEN: It's all true. And here's the deal -- TRUMP: You're talking about the Green New Deal. And it's not $2 billion, or $20 billion as you said. BIDEN: I'm -- TRUMP: It's $100 trillion. BIDEN: I'm talking about the climate -- TRUMP: Where they want to rip down buildings -- WALLACE: Go for a minute and then we can go. TRUMP: -- and rebuild the buildings. BIDEN: No, that is not -- TRUMP: It's the dumbest, most ridiculous -- BIDEN: -- that is not -- TRUMP: -- where airplanes are out of business. BIDEN: That's (ph)-- TRUMP: Where two car systems are out. BIDEN: Not true. TRUMP: Where they want to take out the cows, too. BIDEN: Not true. TRUMP: You know, that's not true either, right? BIDEN: Not true. TRUMP: This is a -- this is a $100 trillion. That's more money than our country could make in 100 years if we're going to -- BIDEN: That's simply not the case. It's not the -- WALLACE: All right. Let me -- let me -- TRUMP: It will destroy our country. WALLACE: Because I actually -- wait a minute, sir. I actually have studied your plan. And it includes upgrading 4 million buildings. BIDEN: Yes. WALLACE: Weatherizing 2 million homes over four years. Building one and a half million energy efficient homes. So, the question becomes, some -- the president is saying, I think some people who support the president would say, that sounds like it's going to cost a lot of money and hurt the economy. BIDEN: What it's going to do, it's going to create thousands and millions of jobs. Good paying jobs. TRUMP: A hundred trillions dollars. WALLACE: Let him finish, sir. BIDEN: He doesn't know how to do that. They -- TRUMP: A hundred trillion dollars. BIDEN: The fact is, it's going to create millions of good-paying jobs and these tax incentives to people -- for people to weatherize, which he wants to get -- get rid of. It's going to make the economy much safer. Look how much we're paying now to deal with the hurricanes, with -- to deal with -- by the way, he has an answer for hurricanes. He said maybe we should drop a nuclear weapon on them. They may (ph) -- TRUMP: I never said that at all. BIDEN: Actually, you did say it. TRUMP: You made it up. BIDEN: And here's the deal. TRUMP: You make up a lot of things. BIDEN: We're going to be in a position where we can create hard, hard, good jobs by making sure the environment is clean and we all are in better shape. We spent billions of dollars now, billions of dollars on floods, hurricanes, rising seas. We're in real trouble. Look at what has happened just in the Midwest with these storms that come through and wipe out entire sections and counties in Iowa. That didn't happen before. They are because of global warming. We make up 15 percent of the world's problem. We, in fact -- but the rest of the world, we've got to get them to come along. That is why we've got to get back into, back into the Paris Accord. WALLACE: All right, gentlemen, we... TRUMP: Wait a minute, Chris, so why didn't he do it for 47 years? You were vice president, why didn't you get the world -- China sends up real dirt into the air. Russia does, India does, they all do. We're supposed to be good. And by the way, he made a couple of statements. The Green New Deal is $100 trillion... BIDEN: That is not my plan. The Green New Deal is not my plan. TRUMP: Well, you want to rebuild every building. WALLACE: Gentlemen... TRUMP: He made a statement about the military. He said I said something about the military. He and his friends made it up and then they went with it. I never said it. WALLACE: OK. BIDEN: That is not true. WALLACE: Mr. Vice President... TRUMP: He called the military stupid bastards. BIDEN: I did not say that. WALLACE: Mr. Vice President... TRUMP: He said, stupid bastards. WALLACE: Stop. TRUMP: I would never say that to the military. BIDEN: Play it. WALLACE: Go ahead, Mr. Vice President, answer his final question. BIDEN: The final question is, I can't remember which in all his ranting. WALLACE: I'm having a little trouble myself. But -- and about the economy and about this question of what it's going to cost? BIDEN: The economy... WALLACE: I mean, the Green New Deal and the idea of what your environmental change will do. BIDEN: The Green New Deal will pay for itself as we move forward. We are not going to build plants that, in fact, are great polluting plants. We're going to build... WALLACE: Do you support the Green New Deal? BIDEN: Pardon me? WALLACE: Do you support the Green New Deal? BIDEN: No, I don't support the Green New Deal. TRUMP: Oh, you don't? Oh, that is a big statement. BIDEN: I support the Biden plan that I put forward. WALLACE: OK. BIDEN: The Biden plan, which is different than what he calls the radical Green New Deal. WALLACE: All right. Gentlemen, final segment, election integrity. As we meet tonight, millions of Americans are receiving mail-in ballots or going to vote early. How confident should we be that this will be a fair election? And what are you prepared to do over the next five-plus weeks, because it will not only be to Election Day, but also counting some ballots, mail-in ballots after Election Day, what are you prepared to do to reassure the American people that the next president will be the legitimate winner of this election? In this final segment, Mr. Vice President, you go first. BIDEN: I'm prepared to let people vote. They should go to iwillvote.com. Decide how they're going to vote, when they're going to vote, and what means by which they are going to vote. His own homeland security director as well as the FBI director says there is no evidence at all that mail-in ballots are a source of being manipulated and cheating. They said that. The fact is that there are going to be millions of people because of COVID that are going to be voting by mail-in ballots, like he does, by the way. He sits behind the Resolute Desk and sends his ballot to Florida, number one. Number two, we are going to make sure that those people who want to vote in person are able to vote because enough poll watchers are there to make sure they can socially distance, the polls are open on time, and that polls stay open until the votes are counted. And this is all about trying to dissuade people from voting because he's trying to scare people into thinking that it's not going to be legitimate. Show up and vote. You will determine the outcome of this election. Vote, vote, vote. If you're able to vote early in your state, vote early. If you're able to vote in person, vote in person. Vote whatever way is the best way for you because you will -- he cannot stop you from being able to determine the outcome of this election. And in terms of whether or not when the votes are counted and they are all counted, that will be accepted. If I win, that will be accepted. If I lose, that will be accepted. But, by the way, if, in fact, he says he's not sure what he's going to accept, well, let me tell you something, it doesn't matter because if we get the votes come it's going to be all over. He's going to go. He can't stay in power. It won't happen. It won't happen. So vote. Just make sure you understand, you have it in your control to determine what this country is going to look like the next four years. Is it going to change, or are you going to get four more years of these lies? WALLACE: Mr. President, two minutes. TRUMP: So, when I listen to Joe talking about a transition, there has been no transition from when I won. I won that election and if you look at "crooked" Hillary Clinton, if you look at all of the different people, there was no transition because they came after me trying to do a coup, they came after me spying on my campaign. They started from the day I won and even before I won, from the day I came down the escalator with our first lady. They were a disaster. They were a disgrace to our country. And we've caught them. We've caught them all. We've got it all on tape. We've caught them all. And, by the way, you gave the idea for the Logan Act against General Flynn. You had better take a look at that because we caught you, in a sense, and President Obama was sitting in the office. He knew it too so don't tell me about a free transition. As far as the ballots are concerned, it's a disaster. A solicited ballot, OK, solicited is OK. You're soliciting, you're asking, they send it back, you send it back. I did that. If you have an unsolicited -- they're sending millions of ballots all over the country. There is fraud, they found them in creeks, they found some with the name Trump, just happened to have the name Trump just the other day in a wastepaper basket. They're being sent all over the place. They sent a two and a Democrat area, they sent out 1,000 ballots. Everybody got two ballots. This is going to be a fraud like you've never seen. The other thing, it's a nice a nice come on November 3rd, you're watching and you see who won the election and I think we are going to do well because people are really happy with the job we've done. But you know what, we won't know -- we might not know for months because these ballots are going to be all over. Take a look at what happened in Manhattan. Take a look at what happened in New Jersey. Take a look at what happened in Virginia and other places. They are not losing 2 percent, 1 percent, which by the way is too much. An election can be won or lost by that. They are losing 30 percent, 40 percent. It's a fraud and it's a shame. And can you imagine, they say you have to have your ballot in by November 10th. November 10th. That means that's seven days after the election. In theory, should have been announced WALLACE: OK, sir... TRUMP: We have major states with that, all run by Democrats. WALLACE: Two minutes is two minutes. TRUMP: All run by Democrats... WALLACE: : President Trump, you're going to be able to continue. You have been charging for months that mail-in voting is going to be a disaster. You say it's rigged. You said it's going to lead to fraud. But in 2018, in the last midterm election, 31 million people voted mail-in voting. That was a quarter, more than a quarter of all the voters that either cast their ballots by mail. Now that millions of mail-in ballots have gone out, what are you going to do about it, and are you counting on the Supreme Court, including a Justice Barrett, to settle any disputes? TRUMP: I think I'm counting at them to look at the ballots, definitely. I don't think -- I hope we don't need them, in terms of the election itself, but for the ballots, I think so. Because what's happening is incredible. I just heard -- I read today where at least 1 percent of the ballots for 2016 were invalidated. They take them. We don't like them, we don't like them. WALLACE: What are you going to do about it? There are millions of ballots going out right now. TRUMP: What you do is you go and vote. You do a solicited ballot and that's OK... WALLACE: No, no. I'm not talking... TRUMP: Or you go and vote. WALLACE: Now, I'm asking you about the fact that millions of people... TRUMP: You go and vote. You go and vote like they used it when the old days... WALLACE: But what I'm saying is, what do you do about the fact that millions of people... TRUMP: You either do, Chris, a solicited ballot where you're sending it in, sending it back and they are saying -- they have mailmen with lots -- did you see what's going on? Take a look at West Virginia, mailmen selling the ballots. They are being sold. They are being dumped in rivers. This is a horrible thing for our country. BIDEN: There is no -- there is no evidence of that. TRUMP: This is not going to end well. BIDEN: There is no evidence of that. WALLACE: Vice President Biden... BIDEN: Five states have had mail-in ballots for the last decade or more, five including two Republican states. You don't have to solicit the ballot, it's sent to you, it's sent to your home. What we're saying is, they're saying it has to be postmarked by the time -- by Election Day. If it doesn't get in until the seventh, eighth, ninth, it still should be counted. He's just afraid of counting the votes because... TRUMP: You're wrong, you're wrong. WALLACE: I want to continue with you on this, Vice President Biden. TRUMP: Chris, he's so wrong when he makes a statement like that. WALLACE: No, excuse me. Vice President Biden, the biggest problem in fact over the years with mail-in voting has not been fraud, historically. It has been that sizable numbers, sometimes hundreds of thousands of ballots are thrown out because they have not been properly filled out, or there is some other irregularity where they missed the deadline. So the question I have come are you concerned that the Supreme Court, with a Justice Barrett, will settle any dispute? BIDEN: I'm concerned that any court will settle this because here's the deal, when you -- when you file -- when you get a ballot and you fill it out, you're supposed to have an affidavit. If you didn't know, you have someone say that this is me. You should be able to come if, in fact, you can verify that's you before the ballot is thrown out, that's sufficient to be able to count the ballot because someone made a mistake and not doubting the correct I. Who they voted for, testify, said who they voted for, say it's you, that is totally legitimate. WALLACE: All right... TRUMP: Excuse me, when you have an 80 million ballot... WALLACE: No, no, no. I have a final -- gentlemen have a final question... TRUMP: ...sent in a swamping (ph) system -- you know it can't be done. You know what can't, and already.. BIDEN: (Inaudible) mail serves... WALLACE: All right, so now -- the final -- wait a minute. Gentlemen, final question... WALLACE: We can keep talking. In eight states, election workers are prohibited currently by law, eight states, from even beginning to process ballots, even take them out of the envelopes... BIDEN: Yes. WALLACE: ... and flatten them, until Election Day. That means that it's likely, because there's going to be a huge increase in mail-in balloting, that we are not going to know on election night who the winner is, that it could be days; it could be weeks... TRUMP: It could be months. WALLACE: ... until we find out who the -- the new president is. So I -- first for you, sir, finally for the -- for the vice president. I hope neither of you will interrupt the other. Will you urge your supporters to stay calm during this extended period, not to engage in any civil unrest? And will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified? President Trump, you go first. TRUMP: I'm urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully. Because that's what has to happen. I am urging them to do it. As you know, today, there was a big problem. In Philadelphia they went in to watch. They were called poll watchers -- a very safe, very nice thing. They were thrown out. They weren't allowed to watch. You know why? Because bad things happen in Philadelphia, bad things. And I -- I am urging -- I am urging my people. I hope it's going to be a fair election. If it's a fair election... WALLACE: You're urging them what? TRUMP: ... I am 100 percent on board. But if I see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, I can't go along with that. And I'll tell you what. From a common-sense... WALLACE: What does that mean, you can't go along? Does that mean you're going to tell your people to take to the streets? TRUMP: I'll tell you what it means. It means you have a fraudulent election. You're sending out 80 million ballots. WALLACE: And what are you going to -- and what would you do about that? TRUMP: They're not -- they're not equipped to -- these people aren't equipped to handle it, number one. Number two... WALLACE: OK. TRUMP: ... they cheat. They cheat. Hey, they found ballots in a wastepaper basket three days ago, and they all had the name -- military ballots; they were military. They all had the name Trump on them. WALLACE: Vice President Biden... TRUMP: You think that's good? WALLACE: Vice President Biden, final question for you. Will you urge your supporters to stay calm while the vote is counted? And will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified? BIDEN: Yes. And here's the deal. They count the ballots, as you pointed out. Some of these ballots in some states can't even be opened until Election Day. And if there's thousands of ballots, it's going to take time to do it. And, by the way, our military, they've been voting by ballots for -- since the end of the Civil War, in effect. And that's -- and that's what's going to happen. Why was it not -- why is it for them somehow not fraudulent? It's the same process. It's honest. No one has established at all that there is fraud related to mail-in ballots, that somehow it's a fraudulent process. TRUMP: It's already been established. BIDEN: It's... TRUMP: Take a look at Carolyn Maloney's race... WALLACE: I asked you. You had an opportunity to respond... WALLACE: Go ahead... TRUMP: They have no idea what happened. WALLACE: Vice President Biden, go ahead. BIDEN: He has no idea what he's talking about. Here's the deal. The fact is I will accept it. And he will, too. You know why? Because, once the winner is declared, after all the ballots are counted, all the votes are counted, that will be the end of it. That will be the end of it. And if it's me, in fact, fine. If it's not me, I'll support the outcome. And I'll be a president not just for the Democrats, I'll be a president for Democrats and Republicans. And this guy... TRUMP: I want to see an honest ballot... WALLACE: Gentlemen, you say that's the end of it. TRUMP: I want to see an honest ballot count. WALLACE: We're going to leave it there. TRUMP: And I think he does, too. WALLACE: To be continued... WALLACE: ... as -- in more debates, as we go on. President Trump, Vice President Biden, it's been an interesting hour and a half. BIDEN: Yes. WALLACE: ... and the Cleveland Clinic for hosting this event. The next debate, sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates, will be one week from tomorrow, October 7th, at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City. The two vice presidential nominees, Vice President Mike Pence and Senator Kamala Harris will debate at 9 p.m. Eastern that night. We hope you watch. Until then, thank you, and good night.

Donald Trump-Joe Biden Face-Off at First U.S. Presidential Debate.

Donald Trump und Joe Biden treffen bei der ersten US-Präsidentschaftsdebatte aufeinander.

唐纳德·特朗普和乔·拜登在大选第一场辩论中的正面交锋。

ANDERSON: Anticipation building for what is the first of three American presidential debates. It will be Donald Trump against Joe Biden and that kicks off just hours from now because, of course, we are just 35 days out from the November election. This hour, CNN can bring you some stunning findings about the last presidential election four years ago from our colleagues at Channel 4 news in the U.K. now. You will remember that CNN previously reported that the Trump campaign allegedly used trillions of data points on typical American voters to pinpoint people already unlikely to vote for Donald Trump back then, including African Americans. The campaign then took that data, the Channel 4 report alleges, to target Black voters by a large margin with, quote, "negative ads designed to crush Hillary Clinton's turnout." Here's a clip of their findings. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): Donald Trump has been long been accused of ignoring the voices of millions of Black Americans. Now we can reveal how he has actively tried to silence them. We have obtained a database used by Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, a vast collection of files on almost 200 million U.S. citizens. It shows what they knew and what they did, the secret tactics that helped turn Donald Trump into the president. ANDERSON: Well, CNN hasn't seen this data obtained by Channel 4 news and cannot verify the findings. We asked the Trump campaign about the report and they responded, calling "it fake news." They then went onto tout what they see as the president's list of achievements in helping the Black community while in office. They did not respond to specific questions about the database or efforts to deter some people from voting. Well, let's bring in the journalist who carried out this research, Channel 4's Krishnan Guru-Murthy joining me now from the American capital. What are the key takeaways away from your investigation, Krishnan? KRISHNAN GURU-MURTHY, CHANNEL 4, U.K.: This is an enormous cache of data, Becky, and it will take a long time to unravel. But what we revealed last night was the evidence that confirms, as you say, long-held suspicions that people were being microtargeted for specific campaigns. And that 3.5 million Black Americans -- and they were disproportionally represented in this particular group of voters -- were targeted for deterrence, to deter them from taking part in the election. We took that data, looked at the addresses and the names and then knocked on the doors and find the people themselves and say to them, did you realize you were being targeted to not vote in the last election? What happened? You didn't vote and then talk to them about why. And talk to them about whether they had seen a lot of those ads that particularly targeted Hillary Clinton with regard to Black Americans, the ads that replayed her old comments about young men being super predators, all those kinds of messages. ANDERSON: This report focused on how the Trump campaign tried to deter the Black vote in the state of Wisconsin. It has been reported that Hillary Clinton ran a pretty poor campaign in that state in 2016. ANDERSON: So from the research and the investigative work that you've done, is it clear how significant the impact of the deterrence campaign specifically was on voters? GURU-MURTHY: That's impossible to measure. You know, why people precisely do something is impossible to say. Obviously, there are all sorts of reasons why people didn't turn out for Hillary Clinton. And some of it may be to do with what they thought of her, what they thought of Barack Obama by comparison. But when you talk to them about the ads, it is really interesting, you say, do you remember this ad that attacked Hillary Clinton? You know, the ads that showed young Black actresses walking out of supposed pro Hillary commercials because they couldn't lie that well or the stuff about super predators. You say, do you remember this? And they go, oh, yes, I remember that. You say, well, do you think that could have influenced you? And they say like a lot of us say when we look at soap commercials, well, you know, I'm sure they influenced somebody but they didn't influence me. And then you say, well, can you be sure? If advertising didn't work, do you think people would spend so much money on it? And it makes people think. So precisely why turnout fell in a state like Wisconsin, we'll never know. But what's important about this investigation is it's revealed the motivations behind what the Trump campaign were trying to do. They were trying to deter people from voting because they knew they couldn't win them over. ANDERSON: This tactic of targeting demographics through digital data is, of course, not new. Facebook was a dominant political force in the 2012 election. Obama's team built a vast digital database. Did you look into how Hillary Clinton collected and used voter data as well in 2016? GURU-MURTHY: That's a whole other story, the extent to which other campaigns and all campaigns use Big Data. As far as we know, the Hillary Clinton campaign did not accept the offer of Facebook embeds in their campaign to help them use that particular platform to its maximum effectiveness. The Trump campaign did. That may well have given them a competitive edge on the two campaigns. So you know, the use of big data, you know, is used by everybody and used by commercial companies and politicians and campaigns. But it's what they were trying to do with that data that we think is important and that we think people should know about, because it will help inform their -- you know, their decision come November. You know, people should know why they are seeing those ads in their streams. We also think it sheds light on how you can lose the popular vote and yet win the Electoral College. If a campaign can target a particular micro sector of people in a particular state, that can be enough to swing it. And if you take Wisconsin, which was a surprise that Donald Trump had won it, even though Hillary Clinton didn't go there famously and it was, you know, it was regarded as a big mistake, what may well have happened is they were able to target the right voters in the precise way just to push them over the edge. And that helps explain why they won that state. If it's very close again, we'll be able to say, well, to what extent has microtargeting particular audiences been at play here? ANDERSON: And that brings me to my last question very briefly. You referenced the use of the category "deterrence" a lot in this reporting, understandable. I just want to have our viewers have a listen to this. HILLARY CLINTON (D), FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Just be grossly generalistic (sic), you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables, the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, you name it. ANDERSON: Which sort of begs the question, is this not an issue systemic to American politics more than perhaps a Trump issue? GURU-MURTHY: It may well be. And, you know, our aim is not to say this is a Trump issue. Our aim is to help American voters understand how the campaigns are operating and just to shed light on the way modern-day elections take place. You know, several rights groups are saying, when it comes to deterrence, that that is really modern-day voter suppression, it's a continuation of the practices that denied Black people their votes for decades. These judgments are ones for the American people. GURU-MURTHY: At the end of the day and we're not any -- we're not on any particular side or campaign, we're trying to show people as much as we can about what actually happened so they can make informed choices in a democracy. ANDERSON: Good stuff. Amazing reporting. Thank you. Let me just read you Facebook's response to this. "Since 2016, elections have changed and so has Facebook. What happened with Cambridge Analytica couldn't happen today. We have 35,000 people working to ensure the integrity of our platform, created a political ads library and have protected more than 200 elections worldwide. "And we also have rules prohibiting voter suppression and are running the largest voter information campaign in American history." That, a response in Facebook to Channel 4 news' reporting. We'll have a lot more after this quick break. CNN's Van Jones will talk with us about that and the election and the debate upcoming. Stay with us.

U.K.'s Channel 4 Reports on Trump's 2016 Tactics.

Der britische Channel 4 berichtet über Trumps Taktiken 2016.

英国第四频道报道了特朗普2016年的策略。

ANDERSON: New research has just raised the chances of finding life on Mars, using ground-penetrating radar from Europe's Mars-expressed spacecraft. Italian scientists confirm that a sub-glacial lake discovered in 2018 contains liquid water. Now the salt needed to maintain the fluid state means there could also be enough oxygen to support life. Yes, amazing stuff. ANDERSON: Tom Kerss is an Astronomer and Author. He joins us now from London, England via Skype. Just how extraordinary is this finding, sir? TOM KERSS, ASTRONOMER & AUTHOR: Well, it's a wonderful finding. I mean, to think about Mars is that if you write headlines with the word Mars and water in it, everybody is going to get excited because we think of Mars as a very barren planet. But this is exciting for numerous reasons. Firstly it shows the possibility of using sub-surface radar scanning to look beneath the surface in Mars. And secondly, of course it shows that there is actually a more abundant water source under the -- than previously thought. This connects to a general idea that perhaps there are many lakes of water, networks of lakes even under the surface of Mars which raises possibility that this planet is or at least was once habitable. ANDERSON: So how close are we to finding little green men? KERSS: I wouldn't like to speculate on that, because I think I'd be putting my reputation on the line a little bit too much. What I can say is that there is a tremendous effort to do so, at least to find some sort of life or perhaps confirm past habitability. So there are several missions on that way to Mars right now which are going to be deploying landaus (ph) that is to say robots on the surface and they're going to be going to more temper regions, not to the extremes of the poles but to places that are a little closer to the equator. They will be able to explore what the surface of Mars is like today and like extension. What it may have been like in the past and then of course we have orbiting space craft in multiple nations including quite recently the United Arab Emirates launched. So there is a global effort certainly to probe Mars in more detail and figure out what it was like and what it is like today? ANDERSON: With that, we are going to leave it there. We thank you very much, indeed, for joining us. Folks, we have had a wide and varied show tonight. Is there intelligent life on Mars? Sometimes you might find yourself wondering the same thing about earth, right? But earth is where we are, and who will lead the most powerful country on it? Donald Trump and Joe Biden both hope it is them. They will argue the toss about why it should be them in just a few hours from now. I'm going to zip off get some sleep before our coverage on CNN starts off what is the first of three debates. And that coverage starts at 3:00 in the morning UAE time didn't you know that? So it is going to be an early night and an early morning for me. For the time being it's good night from me and the team. Stay safe and stay well wherever you are watching.

Scientists Confirm Liquid Water Under Mars Southern Ice Cap.

Wissenschaftler bestätigen flüssiges Wasser unter der südlichen Eiskappe des Mars.

科学家确认火星南部冰盖下有液态水。

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Continues right now. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman. JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world. This is NEW DAY, and what a day it is. It is debate day. I believe we have pictures from Case Western University. This is an exterior shot of the debate hall where it will all take place tonight. It is on that stage where President Trump will face off against former Vice President Joe Biden, the first presidential debate of the season. And it comes at a time when 205,000 Americans have died from coronavirus. We just heard Doris Kearns Goodwin, esteemed historian, say really that's the issue that will be inescapable tonight. There are other headlines, though, bubbling to the surface. How will the president respond to revelations from "The New York Times" on his taxes, like why he paid just $750 in federal income tax when the average filer paid $12,000. Also questions about the national security risks involved with the $421 million "The Times" says the president owes, coming due, much of it, in the next few years. This morning we're learning brand new details about how both candidates are getting ready to face off. CAMEROTA: Also breaking overnight, Vice President Pence's former top aide, Olivia Troye confirming to CNN that the White House officials pressured the CDC to play down the risks to children in reopening schools. Olivia Troye joins us live this hour. This morning, 23 states are seeing new coronavirus cases rise. Overnight, the global death toll from coronavirus surpassed 1 million people. So how will President Trump explain his handling of the pandemic and his shockingly low or nonexistent tax payments on the debate stage tonight? Let's begin our debate coverage with CNN's Jessica Dean. She is live for us in Cleveland. What do we expect, Jessica? JESSICA DEAN, CNN WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Alisyn. You see, I'm wearing a mask inside the debate hall. It is just one of the many rules that they have put in place in light of the coronavirus pandemic. It's led to some changes. Typically, we would have about 900 people on average inside in the audience for tonight's debate. Instead, there will be about 60 to 70. Everyone will be COVID tested. The candidates will be socially distanced. They will not be wearing masks. The moderator will not be wearing a mask. But there will be no handshake between the candidates due to COVID-19. Typically, of course, that that's the key moment where they shake hands right at the beginning of the debate. That will not be happening. As for former Vice President Joe Biden, we know that he began his debate prep several weeks ago, starting with small briefing books, talking in small groups with policy aides about specific policies. He graduated over the weekend to full blown debate preparations. He did go through some mock debates, but we're told that he really prefers that his aides pepper him with rapid fire questions. They're also preparing for personal attacks from President Trump on this debate stage right behind me. They anticipate that that's coming. But they really say for them, it's not up to Joe Biden to be the fact checker, that he needs to be focused on returning the conversation time and time again to two key things that we've heard from Biden over and over again on the campaign trail, Alisyn, and that is the coronavirus pandemic and what they see is Trump's failed response to that pandemic and the ensuing economic crisis that has followed the pandemic. They want to talk about that over and over again, and they feel like that the more that Vice President Biden is talking about that, the better it will be. Alisyn? CAMEROTA: Jessica, thank you very much for that preview. So how will President Trump's handling of the pandemic and the new revelations about his taxes play in tonight's debate? CNN's John Harwood is live at the White House with more on how the president is preparing for tonight. What have you learned, John? JOHN HARWOOD, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Alisyn, this president has never been big for homework. He prefers to wing it, which is what he has been doing on Twitter and in his daily appearances before the press. He came into the briefing room on Sunday night and made a gesture to Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie, two of his allies, that he'd been rehearsing with them. But we think that he's only done about two hours of formal preparation. The president can be expected to throw haymakers at Joe Biden on Hunter Biden, which is something he's raised consistently. He'll talk about the rigged election. He may have surprise guests that he brings with him. His aide Jason Miller has made an allusion to that. We all remember that President Trump brought the women who had accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault to one of the debate with Hillary Clinton. But the president is going to be walking on that stage Alisyn undress in a couple of important ways. First of all, on his claims of business success, because of that "New York Times" reporting that he paid paltry amounts of taxes, that he had been losing a lot of money, that he's under financial pressure that potentially could pose a national security risk. On his claims that he has handled the COVID crisis successfully, Anthony Fauci has been out the last couple of days saying he's listening to an outlier, Scott Atlas, as opposed to the consensus among scientists. And on his claims that they only way he could lose is in a rigged election, we've got two polls from the last 24 hours from high-quality polling outfits showing the president trailing by nine percentage points in Pennsylvania. That could be the tipping point state. That is not suggestive of anything that would require a rigged election for Joe Biden to win. So we'll see how the president handles himself on defense given those facts. BERMAN: Yes, John Harwood for us live at the White House. We're in a pandemic, 205,000 Americans have died. This is not a game, so it may be the theatrics don't fall and work the same way they might have in the past. Joining us now, CNN political commentators David Urban, he's part of President Trump 2020 advisory committee, and Ana Navarro, who is supporting Joe Biden. Ana, you are not shy, period, full stop. And you are not shy about giving advice. So what advice do you have for the former vice president as he takes that stage tonight? What do you think he should do? ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Look, I think, first of all, he needs to be on point. He needs to be vigorous. He needs to set out his plan for things like dealing with COVID. He needs to be succinct. Sometimes Joe Biden has the tendency of going on a little too long. And he needs to attack. He needs to attack Donald Trump. I think he needs to go places where Donald Trump goes. Donald Trump has no qualms in pushing the envelope and maybe behaving in ways that for Joe Biden is hard. Joe Biden is a gentleman and Joe Biden is civil and Joe Biden has common human empathy and manners. So he can't just stand there and let Trump be Trump without responding vigorously to that. But I want -- I want to hear him attack on this tax return story. I want to hear him highlight the scrappy guy from Scranton whose father lost his job when he was a child and has seen people scrape to make ends meet all his life, with the Wall Street guy who is gaming the system, inflating assets when it's convenient, deflating them when it's convenient, and just conning the American people and the American treasury. BERMAN: David, same question. What do you want to hear from President Trump tonight? DAVID URBAN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: So I think what the president needs to do is highlight the things that he's not. He's not Joe Biden. He's not going to increase your taxes. He's not going to grow the federal government. He's not going to take away your guns. He's not going to do all the things that Joe Biden and the Democratic platform says he's going to do. With respect to taxes, I just want to point out I made little graph like John had up earlier. So this is the amount that Donald Trump paid in taxes in 2016. He paid $1 million in 2016. And then he paid -- CAMEROTA: That's not what "The New York Times" says. URBAN: That is what "The New York Times" said -- no, no. Alisyn, that's exactly what the "New York Times" says. No, no, Alisyn, that is not what it says. Alisyn be factual. It says he paid $1 million in 2016, he paid $4.2 million in 2017. Then, Alisyn, what happened was he got -- he got a credit -- a carry forward which reduced his tax liability to $750. That money -- these amounts, $1 million and $4.2 million were rolled forward. So just to be factual, he did not pay $750. He paid $750 plus a $1 million, $750 plus $4.2 million. And what Americans care about, Alisyn -- CAMEROTA: The bottom line on the taxes, where the line is of your tax -- URBAN: No, no, what Americans care about -- let me just finish. CAMEROTA: -- responsibility was $750. URBAN: Alisyn, what he paid, he wrote a check for that amount of money, Alisyn. So just be clear, Donald Trump paid $1,000,750 in 2016, $4,200, 750 in 2017, just to be factual, because we care about that. And here's the number that Americans care about. Here's the tax number they care about. Joe Biden's proposed tax plan raises Americans' taxes by $3.4 trillion. That's the tax number Americans care about. They don't care about $750 bucks. They care they Joe Biden is goes to raise taxes. CAMEROTA: I love your homemade graphics as well, but one second. You know what can clear up this discrepancy, since obviously lots of people are confused about exactly how much Donald Trump paid -- URBAN: You can just put up the graphic of the "New York Times" article. CAMEROTA: He could release his taxes as every president has for decades. That's what would really clear it up and help Americans understand it. URBAN: Well, the "New York Times" -- here's what would really clear it up. Just read "The New York Times" article, Alisyn, put the graphic up. BERMAN: So David, hang on one second. We want to get Ana in this conversation. "The Times" makes clear that 10 out of the last 15 years, he paid no taxes at all, federal income taxes -- URBAN: John, there's a tax code called business loss carry forward. Do you know the tax code? BERMAN: Hang on. Ten out of the last 15 years, "The Times" says he didn't pay any taxes, federal income taxes at all. Go ahead, Ana. NAVARRO: First of all, I think it's great to see how much on the defensive and how much under the skin this tax story is, and David is reflecting that right now. And I think this idea that David just mentioned, that average Americans don't care that the president paid $750 on two years, and many years before that paid zero, nada, zilch, nada, zero, I think that is absolutely wrong, because I think all of those first responders, I think all of those essential workers, I think the people who he's attacked so many times -- undocumented workers. His own undocumented workers, the ones who worked on his -- in his properties, who he fired when the reporters found out he had undocumented workers, paid more taxes than Trump does. I hope Joe Biden brings that up, because absolutely the average American is pissed off at the idea that this rich guy is gaming the system while they are making sacrifices, working two, three jobs at a time to put food on their own table and pay their tax bill. URBAN: Listen, Ana, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not your own facts. Donald Trump paid taxes -- NAVARRO: I would say the same thing to you. URBAN: -- hold on, ana. Hold on. So he's entitled to what's called a business loss carry forward. Right? He's lost over $1 billion. That loss is entitled to be carried forward for 20 years under the tax code. If you don't like the tax code, change the tax code. CAMEROTA: Look, part of the issue, David, is that we just had Michael Cohen on, and he said that President Trump's taxes are so byzantine, they're so complicated, there's so many tens of thousands of pages that he has the highest paid lawyers. He pays them more than he pays many years to the U.S. government. So regular people can't do that. They can't alter the tax code to their own preference. So that's what maybe will come up tonight. But let's switch gears -- BERMAN: Yes, I actually think the most important numbers are the ones on the screen. CAMEROTA: Right. So David, what about the 205,000 Americans who were killed, how will President Trump explain his handling of the pandemic tonight? URBAN: Listen, it's a tragic number, Alisyn. Obviously, everyone in America would like to see that number as low as possible. My sympathy goes out to everybody. I have friends and -- like everybody in America who has lost loved ones because of this terrible pandemic. I think the president is going to come out and say, look, I did a number of things that at the time were derided. I helped -- I shut down the airports, I closed travel. You could put a split screen up at the same time and President Trump is saying a certain thing, and you have Mayor de Blasio saying the complete opposite, Speaker Pelosi come out and celebrate Chinese New Year. Dr. Fauci, we have nothing to worry about this. This is nothing worse than a regular flu. Early on, lots of people got this wrong, absolutely. BERMAN: Ana? NAVARRO: Well, listen, though, he's also going to have to explain those Bob Woodward tapes when we heard him in his own voice acknowledging how dangerous, how lethal this virus was back at the beginning of the year, and then we have seen him downplay it and whitewash it the rest of the time. I hope that what comes up and he has to explain is the virtually nobody has been affected by COVID line that we heard him say just a few days ago. There's 205,000 families who have lost virtually nobodies. And I can assure you for those families, many of them living in swing states like Florida where I am and Arizona, they are virtually somebodies. They are people, they are fathers, they are mothers, they are sisters, they are brothers, they are children, and they are not virtually nobodies. There is going to be a lot of empty seats around the holidays in America this year, and they are not virtually nobody. And they want to know why the president of the United States is referring to them as such. And I also want to hear Joe Biden talk about what he would have done differently. So for me, Joe Biden not only needs to bring up the negligence of Donald Trump, the lies of Donald Trump, the fact that he had to be shamed into wearing a mask, the fact that he keeps holding the rallies which might as well be COVID parties all around the country, but I also want to hear positive talk from Joe Biden as to where his experience plays in and what he would have done and would do differently to put us in a better position. BERMAN: And that's what I mean. That's why I think the numbers that are on the screen may be the most important of the debate. Americans aren't going to be able I think get beyond what's happening with this pandemic which is why theatrics, Ana, might not work. But if the president brings up Hunter Biden as we've heard some suggests he will repeatedly, how should you think, Ana, Joe Biden respond? ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Ivanka Trump. You want to bring up Hunter Biden, you want to bring up -- go ahead. Go right ahead. You know, I think Joe Biden has an answer for that. And I think right now, Donald Trump has to explain why he had his daughter on his corporate payroll and at the same time was paying her $750,000 in consulting fees, which is a tax scam. That is a tax scam. And hw he's used the bully pulpit of the presidency and the platforms of the government to promote his properties and push money towards his properties, whether it's the websites or whether it's trying to hold the -- you know, G8 at Doral or making his hotels and his golf courses the place where people go. He's going to have to explain all that. So if he wants to talk corruption, go ahead. Make our day. ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: So, David, how personal do you think, how personal do you think President Trump will get? Because, you know, he often does do that. In fact, he go -- he insults people during the debate. He sometimes goes after their looks. DAVID URBAN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yeah. CAMEROTA: What should we expect on that front? URBAN: You know, I would advise against that. Obviously, I think, you know, you stick -- you don't really take the ad hominem attacks, just stick to the kind of policy. The president has got lots of good policy -- you know, we can talk about the economy and the things that the president had done, with this economy, cutting regulation and government. Lots of accomplishments to speak about. I would talk about that. I would talk about that. How we're going to have a great economy once we, you know, get a vaccine, or the things that are happening with Operation Warp Speed. I would talk about the positives of the future, not dwell on the negatives of the past. BERMAN: Well, I will be interested to see if the two candidates take that stage armed with as much information and vigor as you two this morning. Thank you both for being with us. I appreciate it, really. And we'll be watching alongside the both of you. Really it is the most anticipated moment of the election so far. URBAN: Thanks, John. BERMAN: The first presidential debate, Joe Biden/Donald Trump, tonight. CNN's special coverage begins at 7:00 p.m. Eastern Time. CAMEROTA: OK. Also new reporting this morning on how the White House pressured the CDC to downplay the risk of opening the school. A former top aide to the president tells her story about what she saw behind the scenes, next.

President Trump and Democratic Presidential Candidate; Joe Biden Prepare for First Presidential Debate; Reporting Indicates President Trump Paid Little or No Federal Taxes in Recent Years

Präsident Trump und demokratischer Präsidentschaftskandidat; Joe Biden bereitet sich auf die erste Präsidentschaftsdebatte vor; Berichten zufolge hat Präsident Trump in den letzten Jahren wenig oder keine Bundessteuern gezahlt

特朗普总统和民主党总统候选人；拜登为第一次总统辩论做准备；报告显示，特朗普总统近年来几乎没有缴纳过联邦税。

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: In Philadelphia, they went in to watch. They're called poll watchers. A very safe, very nice thing. They were thrown out. They weren't allowed to watch. You know why? Because bad things happen in Philadelphia, bad things. BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: No, that's not why. These are the facts. Pennsylvania state laws only allow poll watchers from either party to observe voting at in-person sites on Election Day. And according to the "Philadelphia Enquirer," those Trump supporters actually went to satellite election offices, places that don't offer poll watchers the rights they have at traditional polling places on Election Day. Terry McAuliffe is with us. He's the former chair of the DNC. He's also the former governor of Virginia. And we have Mia Love as well. She's is a former Republican congresswoman from Utah. Thank you to both of you for coming on. TERRY MCAULIFFE, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Thank you. MIA LOVE, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Thank you. KEILAR: And you've saw the president refuse to say he would accept the election results. First to you, Governor. What is your reaction to that and what we just witnessed about poll watchers? MCAULIFFE: Listen, he's trying to run down the vote, run down and disenfranchise the voters. He's trying to set up a predicate for after the election. Brianna, it's not going to work. I can tell you, in Virginia today, we just went over 1.1 million early votes, in person as well as absentee. That is now 101 percent higher of all of 2016. So I think the end result is more people are saying, you know what, I'm going to go vote. I'm not going to let my vote be taken away from me. The one - the best for Joe Biden last night was when he looked in the camera, this election is about you. Go vote. I don't care, Democrat or Republican, just go vote. Congresswoman, what do you think? Because historically, there-when you see these kinds of squads of people monitoring voting, we realize that's voter intimidation. I mean, that's historically where this kind of behavior lies. What do you say to the president calling for his supporters to carry that out? LOVE: Well, I would say, first of all, you can't send a mob of people to the polls. There are some pollsters that are there that go through a process. They absolutely have to be there by a campaign so they can actually watch the polls. Those are poll watchers. They go through a process and they're supposed to be there. But you can't send a mob of people into an election area or place where they're counting ballots to just attack or to watch. That's not how it works. If there's a specific problem, any real leader would say, there is a problem in this area, here is the problem. Let's work with local officials to identify what the issues are and make sure there's transparency and every vote actually counts. But that's not -- what I was hearing actually what incredibly frustrating. I think on both sides of the aisle. But especially for somebody who is looking for leadership and all you see is just destruction, interruption and, frankly, anger. KEILAR: On leadership, Congresswoman, the president did not condemn white supremacists. That's not a hard call. What did you think about that? LOVE: That absolutely is not a hard call. It's an easy call. And to say to stand back or not even - stand by, that would have been an easy call for him. And that actually is pretty disheartening. Again, Republicans who are looking for leaders to go out and support black Republicans want to know the president actually cares about them. One of the things I would have liked to have seen is for the president to at least say I condemn white supremacy. And when you're a leader, you can turn around to Vice President Joe Biden and say, OK, I said what I needed to do, I am leading. Do you support Antifa? Are you willing to do that? But that's not what happened. He skirted the issue and refused to even say he condemned white supremacy. That doesn't look good for him. It certainly doesn't look good for the Republican Party. KEILAR: What do you think, Governor? MCAULIFFE: I wasn't surprised that President Trump wouldn't come out and condemn white supremacists. I was governor during Charlottesville. I talked to President Trump that day on the phone. I explained, I have Neo-Nazis, I've got white supremacists screaming the most vile things against African-Americans, against members of the Jewish faith, against women. I begged the president that day. I said we've got to stop the hate speech. I need you, as president, to come out and condemn these folks. He told me he would. Four hours, he came out. He didn't use the word white supremacy or the world Neo-Nazi. He said there were good people on both sides. Heather Heyer was 32 years old. She was killed that day. She was protesting against hatred. So this is symptomatic of Donald Trump's America. He's trying to divide. He's trying to create race wars. We need someone who will bring this country back together again. Then when he said to the Proud Boys, "stand by," that is a signal to them, let's do what we can to disrupt the election. All it is doing is getting our vote turned out. People will not be denied this year. KEILAR: Yes. And that rally, the Unite the Right rally, was organized by a Proud Boy. Finally, I want to ask you, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are refusing to say whether they would expand the Supreme Court. Governor, to you first, why? MCAULIFFE: Look, Brianna, it's a hypothetical on a hypothetical. The first thing I would say is we should not be -- KEILAR: How is that a hypothetical? MCAULIFFE: First of all, Barrett isn't in yet. So we know if we're going to win the election. So we don't know today. But the issue is: Why are we appointing a Supreme Court justice -- KEILAR: Every question Joe Biden gets asked is a hypothetical then, if we're not sure of him winning the election. I mean, come on. MCAULIFFE: Well, he hasn't won the election yet. We'll see what happens. But the bigger issues is: Why are we putting a justice in 32 days before an election? And a million and one people have already voted in Virginia. And you're going to put a justice in now that's going to be a lifetime appointment? That's the issue I'd like to talk about. KEILAR: Congresswoman? LOVE: I think you're absolutely right. You have to be asked the hard questions. And to skirt away from a complete change in our judicial system is not leadership either. That is an area where, again, Joe Biden is actually missing his mark in even getting middle-of-the-road Republicans by not leading out on this issue. It is simply, yes, I support the Supreme Court justice the way it is and I don't think that Republicans should nominate another justice to fill in that seat. Or you want to change up the makeup. You have to make sure you're out there and you're leading. And I'll tell you know, this not an area -- the reason they don't want to answer the question is because they lose on this issue. To completely change up the makeup is something that Americans don't want. Everybody lives by the same rules no each side. And you have to deal with the situation that you're in. And the president is going to nominate somebody to fill in that seat. KEILAR: Congresswoman -- MCAULIFFE: -- they plan. I don't Americans think both sides play by the same rules. That's not true. Merritt Garland was 300 days ahead and didn't even have a primary winner on either side. And they denied Merritt Garland even -- LOVE: Listen, both parties behave the same way in the same situation. Both parties behave the same way in the same situation. The problem is, you had Mitch McConnell -- the problem for Democrats is you had Mitch McConnell that was like, I am blocking this Supreme Court justice. So it's blame on both sides. Both parties play by the same rules here. MCAULIFFE: Fair is fair. KEILAR: Governor, Congresswoman, thank you so much to both of you. MCAULIFFE: Great to be with you. KEILAR: Great to see you both. MCAULIFFE: Thank you. LOVE: Thank you. KEILAR: A friend of Beau and Hunter Biden will join me next to respond to the president's attacks on the former vice president's son. Plus, just in, the debate Commission now says it's considering changes to the format after last night's -- what else do you call it but a debacle.

Trump Urges Supporters To Go To Polls & "Watch Very Carefully"

Trump fordert die Unterstützer auf, zu Umfragen zu gehen und \"Sehr sorgfältig zu beobachten\"

特朗普敦促支持者去投票并且“非常仔细地观看”

KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: But then he took a turn and pivoted to Joe Biden, talking about what Joe Biden has and hasn't said about Antifa, similar to the way that you saw the president do so on the debate stage last night. And, of course, this comes after hours of fallout here in Washington that followed the president on his way back from Cleveland, where you saw people who were even typically his allies, people like Tim Scott, the senator from South Carolina on Capitol Hill, saying it was a comment the president needed to clarify it. He said, if he didn't think -- if he wasn't going to clarify it, then obviously the president stood by what he said. But now, of course, you are seeing the president gives some Republicans some leeway here by saying he does not know who the group is, and he wants them to stand down and let law enforcement do the work, is what he told reporters just there. KATE BOLDUAN, CNN HOST: And, Kaitlan, the president can say he doesn't know who the Proud Boys are. But the fact of the matter is, it's eerily similar to exactly what he says when he is -- when he has been presented with something that he does want to answer to in the past. It seems his way of getting out of having to answer it or inoculate himself from having to take a stance. I mean, just remember back to 2016, when CNN's Jake Tapper asked him very specifically if he will denounce David Duke, if he wants David Duke's support. And he says, I don't know who David Duke is. And he seems to be taking a very similar, same tactic here. There's no chance, Kaitlan, that the aides within inside the White House don't have that answer for him who the Proud Boys are and can't give him more detail had he wanted to hear it. COLLINS: Also, look at the context in what -- in which this was brought up last night. It was when Chris Wallace was asking the president to denounce these white supremacist groups. He was making very clear in what realm he was referencing the Proud Boys, because then you saw Chris Wallace giving the president that opportunity. And the president said, I will denounce them, but he said, give me a name. What name do you want me to denounce? And that's when Joe Biden stepped in and said, the Proud Boys. The president repeated the name the Proud Boys. So, it is very clear, if you were using context clues, what this group was, if the president is maintaining the story that he has no idea who this group is. He knew what it was. But instead of taking that chance to say, OK, I denounce them, the president instead gave them this new tag line that they have been celebrating today, the stand down and stand by, basically saying this suggestion to be at the ready. Certainly, that's the way they took it. So, of course, you have got to look at the context here of what it was brought up, how the group reacted to it. They certainly didn't take it as any kind of denouncement from the president. But now he is trying to clean up those remarks several hours later, after we got a lot of blowback from some of his usual allies. BOLDUAN: Let's see if the damage is done, if this clears anything up for anyone who cares, and should really, on the president's stance on this. Kaitlan, thanks so much. Kaitlan's at the White House for us. All right, let's talk about this now with CNN Sara Sidner, who has done in-depth reporting on the Proud Boys and groups like it. And also joining us is Rashad Robinson. He's the president of Color of Change. Sara, the president says he doesn't know who the Proud Boys are. Why don't you help inform him? SARA SIDNER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: OK, I shall. And it's interesting that, if he doesn't know who a group is, then why is he repeating their name and then giving them what they saw as an order or a rallying cry to stand back and stand by? So, by the way, those words are now printed on shirts that they're selling. They are going to be using it as a recruiting tool. It makes them more well-known. And they're going to be trying to get more people into their group. Now, the group that the president is talking about in the debate, the Proud Boys, say that they are not white supremacists. They have people from all different racial backgrounds that are members of this group. However, they have certainly been involved in what one judge called political violence and intimidation. And there is a case in New York, where you are, in Manhattan, in 2018 where there is video of them shown beating these anti-fascists all dressed all in black. And the Proud Boys, something is thrown at them, and they come at them, and there are a bunch of them kicking, beating. And two of them were convicted for attempted assault. This is the video there that the police put out. Looking at what happened there, you see, there's one person in the red hat. And so the Proud Boys, just a melee there, and two of them were convicted of this. And you see them over and over again. What they usually do is, they show up, they have a rally, saying it's about free speech, or about their own anti-fascism against the far left. And they come completely armed to the teeth with body armor on, and they say every time, we're -- this is only for defending ourselves. But that's not how New York saw it. They have also said they are not a hate group. They are suing over being called a hate group. But that's not how the agencies and organizations that track hate and that track hateful behavior see it. They have been studying them for a long time and they are adamant, the ADL telling me today, this is a hate group, full stop, looking at all the things that they have done and said over time -- Kate. BOLDUAN: Rashad -- well put and explained, Sara. Rashad, the president -- as Kaitlan's reporting, the president seems to be trying to clean things up, if you will, as one says when they make a gaffe. I'm not sure this is a gaffe, though, then. I'd like to your take and if you think he cleaned anything up. RASHAD ROBINSON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, COLOR OF CHANGE: I actually don't even know if he was trying to clean things up. It's a difference between actually trying to clean things out and maybe trying to move stuff under the couch or move stuff under a table, so it's not as visible, so everyone can move on. And, in fact, we're not going to just move on, because what we're dealing with here with this president, has been years of giving space, of being in relationship, of being unwilling to condemn white nationalists, from Charlottesville, from before he started his campaign, to even the years while he was on the "Celebrity Apprentice," going around the country with a racist conspiracy theory about President Obama. Nobody has any reason to believe this president, that he does not know who the Proud Boys are, and that he's not sympathetic, at minimum, to their causes, and hasn't been enabled at every turn by social media platforms, by corporations who have looked the other way on the racism because they were getting tax cuts. So many folks are responsible for what we saw last night, in terms of a president of the United States giving orders to a white nationalist group in the midst of a really contentious time in this country. BOLDUAN: And if we're -- and if we're being real well, we all can understand one thing as well, getting back to I don't know who the Proud Boys are. The president claims quite often to know everything about things that he doesn't know anything about, which would be just like widespread voter fraud, which has not materialized since 2016, when he claimed it did. It has not materialized now. He continues to say that, believe me, I know a lot about it. So you think that he could know something about what he's talking about here. So you just cannot believe that talk. SIDNER: Kate... BOLDUAN: Go ahead, Sara. SIDNER: I mean, all he has to do is ask somebody. There are people -- he's the president of these United States. BOLDUAN: Yes. SIDNER: He has people to do the research for him, if he doesn't want to put it into Google. But like, literally, you can go look, and you can go search. You can see their point of view. You can go on YouTube. And you can also see the point of view of all of these organizations that track groups, far-right groups like the Proud Boys. It is unconscionable that the president of the United States used the name of a group and now says, well, I don't know who they are. Find out. You're the president of the United States. BOLDUAN: Take it a step further, Sara, when he says, I always denounce any form of any of that, when he was pressed repeatedly on, do you denounce white supremacy, what he was also saying the first time he was asked. Just to be very clear, he said white -- he was asked, white supremacists support you, do you welcome that? And his immediate response was, I want law and order. And he had to be asked again about condemning white supremacy. And then he says that, "I always denounce any form of that." And I'm curious if this -- when -- if the -- as the president says that, what impact does that have on these groups? SIDNER: It's huge. Because what it is to them is, it is absolutely something that emboldens them. They see it as his approval of them, and that he is with them. We have seen this over and over and over again. To me, the moment that happened last night during this debate, while millions of people are watching this, was another "fine people on both sides" moment. That is how everyone who has been impacted, for sure, by white supremacists and white supremacy saw it. When you watched that, it was another one of those moments where you don't want to feel shocked because you have heard some of this rhetoric before. But you know that this emboldens those who want to further the cause of white supremacy. And white supremacists, neo-Nazis, you name it, the KKK, they see this as an approval, not a tacit approval, but an explicit approval of what they're doing and what they believe. And they believe the president believes what they believe. ROBINSON: Yes. And it wasn't just the statement that he made about the Proud Boys. It was also the statement towards the end around his supporters, and as it relates to voter and voter suppression and voter intimidation, which there is sort of nothing more sort of connected to the history of black people and our ability to express our will through the vote is to also at the other end be suppressed, being attacked on the vote. There's a Facebook post right now that I have had direct conversation with leadership at Facebook. Up until two hours before the debate last night, we're trying to get them to pull down this post from Donald Trump Jr. calling on -- to enlist an army of Trump supporters to go to the polls. We watched the looters and shooters posts that landed on Facebook in the height of the George Floyd uprisings. We have watched this president stoke sort of his supporters, white nationalist groups, giving them sort of the permission to rally and to mobilize and to leverage social media platforms that use targeted marketing, that use radicalization, that use all sorts of tools to sort of bring people in. Yes, this president is responsible for so much of the hate that is happening in our society, but he is not acting alone. He has been enabled by so many that have put their profits above the sort of safety and the security and integrity of either systems or our democracy in this country. And the fact of the matter is, is, this cannot just be about defeating Trump and his relationship to white nationalists. It has to be defeating Trumpism, and the people that would be willing to go along with it, as long as it doesn't hurt them, or if it gets them profits in the end. BOLDUAN: Yes. And, Rashad, taking on Facebook and holding them accountable for how effectively the ban on just, for example, the Proud Boys on that social media platform, when they were banned back in 2018, how effective or not it has been, is something that I know that you have been taking on very directly and continue to. And, as we see from this conversation, those kind of -- holding those kind of feet to the fire is only going to be more needed, when we hear conversations, narratives, rhetoric from the president still today, 30-plus days out from the election, on the South Lawn of the White House. Sara, thank you for your reporting always. Rashad, thanks for coming on. All right, I'm going to go -- let's go now to Pennsylvania. We're taking a live look at Joe Biden. He's out on the campaign trail. He's speaking to supporters in Pittsburgh right now. And this is just one of the stops on his tour of Western Pennsylvania. He was also -- he was also in Eastern Ohio. Let's go to CNN's M.J. Lee. She's in Pennsylvania, where Biden's going to be heading a little later today, different part of Pennsylvania. M.J., what -- talking about what Joe Biden is saying post-debate, he spoke out this morning. What's the position today? M.J. LEE, CNN NATIONAL POLITICS CORRESPONDENT: Well, clearly, Kate, the 2020 campaign continues today after last night's incredibly chaotic debate. And, as you mentioned, what that looks like for the Biden campaign today is a multistop tour through Ohio and parts of Western Pennsylvania. I know we're seeing some pictures of Biden speaking in Pittsburgh right now. And, ultimately, tonight, he's going to end up here in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, where he is going to have a drive-in- style rally. This is obviously a way of doing campaigning amid the pandemic. And what we are hearing from the Biden campaign and Biden himself today about last night is that they feel like there could not have been a more stark contrast between Joe Biden and Donald Trump on that debate stage. They are making the case that you didn't really see a clear message or a vision that was laid out by the president. They have described him as having been erratic and having been angry on the debate stage. And they're pointing in particular to two things that they believe Trump failed to do yesterday. The first one is really getting into the details of the coronavirus pandemic, and really sort of recognizing the widespread suffering that continues throughout the country because of this public health crisis. And second, of course, is what you were talking about just now, his refusal on the debate stage to disavow white supremacists. I just want you to take a listen to how Joe Biden summarized what he thought was really Donald Trump's performance last night on the debate stage earlier today. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Trump's constant disregard and unwillingness to speak to COVID, and the fact that 205 million people -- thousand people have already died and over seven million are infected, and it's likely to get worse. He didn't want to talk about it at all. In terms of election legitimacy, he made it clear that he didn't think this is going to be -- if he lost, it wasn't going to be a legitimate election, already began to plant seeds of doubt in the legitimacy of this election. I don't know any president that has ever done that before. LEE: Biden also told reporters that he was constantly attacked last night by the president and that he hopes that the debate commission can find a way to try to help the both -- both of the candidates speak without interruption. Clearly, the commission agrees with this. They said earlier today that they're going to try to make some changes to make sure that future debates can be more orderly -- Kate. BOLDUAN: Yes, that's huge news coming from the debate commission just a short time ago. We're going to have much more on that element of this whole thing coming up. It's great to see you, M.J. Thank you. Still ahead for us, President Trump using the debate stage to try once again and repeatedly to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election, making multiple false claims about Pennsylvania in particular. The Lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania is here to respond.

Biden Campaigns In Pennsylvania; Trump Refuses To Condemn Right-Wing Extremist Group During Debate.

Biden macht Wahlkampagnen in Pennsylvania; Trump weigert sich, rechtsextreme Gruppen während der Debatte zu verurteilen.

拜登在宾夕法尼亚州竞选；特朗普拒绝在辩论中谴责右翼极端组织。

BURNETT: President Trump heaping praise on his response to the coronavirus during last night's debate. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: People that would not be necessarily on my side said that. President Trump did a phenomenal job. We did. Our country is coming back incredibly well. BURNETT: And yet, 19 states currently seeing a rise in virus deaths over the past week. More than half the country averaging an increase in cases. Erica Hill is OUTFRONT. GOV. TONY EVERS (D), WISCONSIN: We have got to put the brakes on this pandemic. ERICA HILL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Wisconsin just reported its highest daily number of coronavirus-related hospitalizations. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're in deep trouble. HILL: The White House Task Force recommending the state increase social distancing to the maximal degree possible and boost testing at universities. DR. RYAN WESTERGAARD, WISCONSIN BUREAU OF COMMUNICABLE DISEASE: It's safe to assume that the virus is everywhere, so everyone needs to be -- to change their behavior. HILL: It's one of 26 states reporting an increase in new cases over the past week, nearly the entire northern half of the country. DR. ROCHELLE WALENSKY, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: And those trends indicate increased activity, increased transmission of the disease and places where we really need to test and trace and lock down and make sure that we get it in check. HILL: New York City focusing on several neighborhoods where cases are surging. MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO (D), NEW YORK CITY: The numbers can change rapidly in the right direction. So, we're going to keep working daily, hourly, to make that change. HILL: Hundreds of police officers and city employees dispatched to those areas, offering free masks and reminders about how to stop the spread. Meantime, restaurants can now open for indoor dining at 25 percent. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need more to survive, but this is a step in the right direction. HILL: New numbers from the CDC showed infections in 18 to 22 year olds increased 55 percent in August and early September as many return to campus. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Colleges have been frankly a real challenge point for transmission. HILL: Ohio's largest public school district plans to start in-person learning October 19th. Miami-Dade's staggered reentry begins October 5th. DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: We should always try to get children back to school. The risk of going back is dependent on where you are. HILL: Researchers say phase one data from Moderna's vaccine trial shows an immune response in older adults as seven former FDA administrators warn the Trump administration is undermining the agency's credibility and public confidence. Political intrusion, they write, only prolongs the pandemic and erodes our public health institutions. HILL: We're also getting a new timeline for that Moderna vaccine, the CEO telling a conference a short time ago that they won't have the necessary data to file for emergency use authorization with the FDA until November 25th at the earliest, Erin. BURNETT: Wow. Erica, thank you. Now I want to bring in Dr. Paul Casey. He's head of the ER department in Bellin Hospital in Green Bay, Wisconsin. You just heard him in Erica's piece there. Obviously, I know you've been getting national attention because of the sort of, frankly, desperate Facebook posting where you wrote this, Doctor: The second wave is here and it's here with a vengeance. All four Green Bay hospitals are close to capacity. Our ICU has been full for several times this week. For the first time in 16 years I have been a medical doctor, our ED has had to place patients in the hallway. This occurred twice in the past week. If you have not accepted the seriousness of this pandemic, now is the time to start. The life of a loved one could be at stake. Dr. Casey, do you know what you're describing here are images many Americans were deep in the past and yet you're seeing it now -- record high hospitalizations, not with enough space, issues with capacity. Tell me more about what you're seeing. DR. PAUL CASEY, MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, BELLIN HOSPITAL IN WISCONSIN: So, Erin, first of all, thank you for having me. This is a very important topic. Over the course of the past two to three weeks, we have noticed a marked rise in COVID patients coming into our hospitals in Green Bay. And this comes in the wake of what we thought -- we thought we were doing well. You see from my graph that early on in the pandemic in March and April, we had a nice little bell-shaped curve that rose and came down. And by the third of June, we had one inpatient with COVID-19 in our hospital. Then Fourth of July came, we saw a rise there. Then Labor Day came and you saw another rise. And then over the past two weeks, we've seen a remarkable rise in the COVID cases in Brown County. What that has resulted in as a marked increase in patients coming to my emergency department to the point that as you mentioned for the first time in 16 years that I've been here, we've had to put patients in hallway beds. For those of you who don't know what those are, a lot of big city hospitals don't have capacity. Their hospitals full upstairs and they have to board patients in the ED waiting for a bed. I never envisioned having to do that in a small community like Green Bay. We've done it twice in the last ten days. Not only that, filling up our hospital because in May, we realized that patients did not receive adequate care because we had to shut down the hospital in March in anticipation for this huge wave that we were seeing in other states. So, we reopened everything back up, started doing elective surgeries, opening up clinics to the point that we were already very, very busy. BURNETT: So, so, you know, let me just ask you because the president -- there's going to be rallies in Green Bay where you are this weekend with these numbers. We've gotten used to what we're seeing at the president's rallies, a lot of people, very little mask wearing, no social distancing. From a medical perspective, how concerned are you about these events? CASEY: So, for all of us in the medical profession, any time we see people congregating in any venue without masks at close distance in the middle of a global pandemic that's making a surge in our community, we become extremely, extremely concerned. BURNETT: So, you've said if 90 percent of people wore masks, we could end this surge, right? That's what we end from the White House -- the experts on the White House task force, right? They say directly that masks will work better than any vaccine to try to give people a sense of how they are. Last night, the president mocked the vice president for wearing a mask. I want to play that for you, Dr. Casey. Here he is. TRUMP: I mean, I have a mask right here. I put a mask on, you know, when I think I need it. I don't wear a mask like him. Every time you see him, he's got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from me and shows up with the biggest mask I've ever seen. BURNETT: So, Doctor, I don't want to be political about it. I just want to ask you about the masks. When people mock masks, what do -- how does that make you feel when you know they save lives? CASEY: As a physician who's dedicated his life to caring for others, that makes me angry because we have very few tools in our tool box right now to handle this pandemic. And the mask, in my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of other physicians, is the single most important thing we can do to stem the tide of this pandemic. Those of us who work in a hospital setting are a testament to that principle. For six months, I've been wearing a mask 12 hours a day on my clinical shifts and I have not gotten infected. I've been -- I've been face to face with multiple patients infected with COVID-19 and I and my fellow health care workers have not gotten infected. So, for people to say masks are ineffective defies logic. It makes those of us in the health care field very angry. BURNETT: Very justified in that. And, Dr. Casey, I appreciate your time. We are -- we are thinking of you and having to go through this as you're going through it now, saving those lives. Thank you, sir. CASEY: Thank you so much, Erin. Thank you. BURNETT: And next, Trump's former right-hand man, Michael Cohen. He is OUTFRONT. Why he says it is so hard for Trump to condemn white supremacists. Plus, President Trump claims something is going on in Philadelphia when it comes to voting. TRUMP: Because bad things happen in Philadelphia, bad things.

Wisconsin Reports Highest Number Of COVID Hospitalizations

Wisconsin meldet die höchste Zahl an COVID-Krankenhauseinweisungen

威斯康星州新冠患者住院人数住院人数创新高

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Tonight for the first time you'll hear First Lady Melania Trump as you probably have never heard of before, we've obtained phone recordings of the first lady from Stephanie Winston Wolkoff who was part of the Trump inner circle until she wasn't. She's a former close friend and advisor to the First Lady. In February 2018, her ties the east swing are terminated after an investigation revealed her firm was paid nearly $26 million to put together President Trump's 2017 inauguration. She said she was made a scapegoat for all the spending and that all but $1.6 million were actually went to subcontractors and vendors, the money didn't go to her. Wolkoff kept talking to Mrs. Trump and recording some of their phone calls using the quotes to write her new book Melania and Me: The Rise and Fall of My Friendship with the First Lady. Stephanie Winston Wolkoff joins me now. Thanks so much for being with us. STEPHANIE WINSTON WOLKOFF, AUTHOR: Thank you for having me. Anderson. COOPER: I want to begin with the recording that you made in which you and Melania Trump are talking about her legacy. And it's really fascinating to hear her kind of just speak in this way. Let's listen. WOLKOFF: Sure. WOLKOFF: That's fine. Who supports Melaia? You do have a legacy. MELANIA TRUMP, FIRST LADY OF UNITED STATES: Yes, but the thing. While it doesn't come directly from -- yes, what I put on Twitter comes from -- it came from me, that's they know, about the children. And they talked about it. You know. WOLKOFF: But I'm just saying you're, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying that right? I mean, you do know what I'm saying? It's you shouldn't have people across the world. In New York, it was always Melania, Melania, Melania. Like, you know. TRUMP: I don't give a WOLKOFF: It's not about giving -- TRUMP: It's true. It's true. Honestly, it's like, because it's, you know, it's honestly, I'm doing the same stuff that I did before. They cannot stand him. They didn't know that I'm with him. They know that I'm -- WOLKOFF: They felt badly for you before. Now, they, you know, what you're saying? TRUMP: Correct, correct. WOLKOFF: Right. TRUMP: OK. All that COOPER: What did you think when you heard that? And, I mean, it's so interesting, because there was this whole idea of sort of, oh, she's people feel bad for her that she's with this guy. And she sort of trapped in the situation. Is that -- that it doesn't seem like that's the reality at all? WOLKOFF: Well, Anderson, I just want to first start by saying that, you know, when I first started taping Melania, I had already left the White House and had already been accused of a criminal crime. And, I -- COOPER: I mean, they threw you under the bus, basically. WOLKOFF: Very much so. The Trump administration as well as the presidential inauguration committee tandemly created a narrative that I wouldn't follow and I needed to be the scapegoat. With that being said, I truly genuinely went into planning the inauguration with honor. It is the United States of America and helping the First Lady set up her East Wing office. Unfortunately, there were too many roadblocks in the way. So for Melania, to create a legacy was going to be challenging regardless, just because of the palace intrigue inside the White House between the East and West Wing between Ivanka, Melania. And, you know, she didn't have the support at first that she needed at all quite honestly. COOPER: What -- does she have interest in the role of First Lady and the responsibility carries and what what is her -- what does she care about? WOLKOFF: Well, at first Melania really did want to make a difference. She felt that if she had the right experts and the right team behind her, she'd be able to facilitate and create a platform that would help so many children with social emotional learning, unfortunately, when I had to go, and as she told me to White House legal counsel, explained to, she and Donald that due to a possible investigation with the pick, that my term there needed to be severed, then that was the quote from Stephanie Gresham. But I do believe that, you know, she's complicit in everything that's going on. I mean, instead of falling out of line, she told the line. There are so many incredible things that the first lady has an honorary position could be doing, should be doing. And it's unfortunate that our country is so limited to such a basic level of, you know, I mean, it's great to see the warmth and the children's smiles, but there's so much more that should be happening. COOPER: Her, you know, the she has this initiative be best, which I think you were involved with, and it's never important to combat cyber bullying. I know you sort of were concerned about the hypocrisy of that, given how much President Trump engages in that exact kind of behavior, which is she must be aware of that and just -- does she not see the strange hypocrisy of it? WOLKOFF: You know what she did right away, Anderson, but she was committed to that. And she was open to discussing that in the set in the overarching belief that the initiative would almost be an umbrella to addictive behavior and that bullying social media, opioids were, you know, what would lead you not being able to express yourself not having the toolbox to know how to feel and to express your emotions, like our president. Would enable the next generation to actually live a much more respectful, empathetic kind life? COOPER: What do you make of? I mean, is she -- the President, you're saying she is complicit? Is she a cheerleader for the President? Is she a supporter of the President? Does she like the President? Is she -- WOLKOFF: Yes, actually she does, very much so. I mean, Melania holds a role like no other person in the White House. I mean, anyone, she doesn't shake in her boots ever. And she tells Donald exactly how she feels. She is his biggest cheerleader. And she does believe that, if he's going to do it, he better do it right. And you better do it with brass knuckles, and he better do it now. And those are her words. COOPER: We had reached out to the -- we reached out to the White House for response to all this and Stephanie Grisham, the Chief of Staff for the First Lady responded saying, secretly taping the First Lady and willfully breaking a nondisclosure agreement to publish a salacious book is a clear attempted relevance. The timing of this continues to be suspect, as does this never ending exercise and self pity and narcissism. I want you to be able to respond. WOLKOFF: Well, I just think that she just lost the women's vote. I mean, I think that after watching the debate the other evening, and how disgraceful and how upsetting it was to see our leader act in such, I don't even have the words to express how blatantly rude it was to act that way, like to see Melania walk on stage, to smile at him and gesture at him and to be OK with that type of behavior. I mean, the most important voice right now should be Melania's voice, she has no voice as his wife. I mean, the one woman that we need more than ever isn't coming to the plate because she has no ability to do so. COOPER: So, the decision to start recording conversations with her you were already out of out of the White House and this investigation had sort of had begun, did you? What was the thinking on recording? WOLKOFF: So here's the thing, that I think most people don't understand is that I had already hired my legal team while I was still inside the White House when I was asked to present a narrative to the press regarding the presidential inauguration committee financing, which I actually had no access or ability to sign off on. I was just the person who complained about it all the time. So once I was handed 62 questions and some of them were regarding matters that are under investigation right now by the United States Attorney General for the District of Columbia that I am working with. I became extremely concerned, I expressed those concerns to Melania and Donald. But Melania actually was one person that I went to. And she and I talked about the need for a lawyer. And so the next day I did, I went and hired a lawyer, and made sure that everything in my communication with the White House since January, was documented and I had resigned before I was even, as they would like to say, severed. So if -- none of it's true. COOPER: Well, we got to take a quick break. WOLKOFF: Sure. COOPER: When we come back, there's when -- there's more recordings, but the first thing he said about her trip to the famous trip to the border, where the Trump administration was separating kids and their parents and detaining them, we'll have more on that ahead.

First Lady's Former Friend And Ex-East Wing Adviser Shares Audio Recordings Of Their Phone Calls

Ehemaliger Freund der First Lady und ehemaliger Berater des östlichen Flügels teilt Audioaufzeichnungen ihrer Telefongespräche

第一夫人的前朋友和前白宫东翼顾问分享了他们通话的录音

CURNOW: U.S. President Donald Trump is defending his debate performance on Tuesday despite widespread criticism from both Democrat and Republican. He's claiming he was the clear winner of this contest. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: By every measure we won the debate easily last night. I think he's very weak. He look weak. He was whining. Yes, we won the debate by almost every poll that I saw. If you look at the various polls. I looked at about six of them. We won every one of them. So, no, I don't mind debating him. I hear he wants to get out of the debates. I don't know. That's up to him. CURNOW: So despite Mr. Trump claims, most voters actually say Joe Biden was the winner of the debate. A new CNN poll shows six in 10 people vote for former vice president had a stronger performance and there are some who thinks Tuesday's debate have no winners at all. Here's how the top three cable U.S. networks described the night. JAKE TAPPER, CNN CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: I can tell you one thing for sure, the American people lost tonight, because that was horrific. BASH: You just took the words out of my mouth. You use high minded language, I'm just going to say it like it is. That was a shit show. And you know we're in cable, we can say that apologies for being, maybe a little bit crude, but that is really that the phrase that I'm getting more, you know, from people on both sides of the aisle. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's something beyond fact checking that needs to happen here. This is the sort of thing that shouldn't happen. This sort of debate shouldn't happen in a democracy. Not one in which we decide in which we think that we choose between candidates based on them for posing competing sides of an argument. I just -- this is not the night (inaudible). DONNA BRAZILE, POLITICAL STRATEGIST: Yes, it was a hectic debate. Let's be honest. I wanted Chris to take command of the conversation because this is a very important moment in our country, with millions affected with the COVID virus, millions unemployed and yet the candidates couldn't seem to get their asses in. CURNOW: Well, President Trump use Tuesday's debate to continue to cause doubt on the legitimacy of the coming election, telling his supporters to quote, go into the polls and watch very carefully. And as Pamela Brown now reports, that is leading to claims of voter intimidation. Pam? PAMELA BROWN, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: President Trump seemingly outlining at the debate, a three from strategy to win reelection. Disinformation. TRUMP: It's a disaster. BROWN: Intimidation. TRUMP: Watch very carefully. BROWN: And relying on realigned courts. TRUMP: I think I'm counting on them to look at the ballots definitely. BROWN: Trump calling on supporters to watch people at the polls, not always in an official capacity which Democrats fear could intimidate voters. Somebody in the Nevada Attorney General said will not be allowed in his state, warning in a tweet you will be prosecuted. Trump also is magnifying minor mail-in ballot issues wrongly calling them -- TRUMP: -- fraud like you've never seen. BROWN: Pointing to his allies being denied entering an early voting site in Pennsylvania which they rules don't allow and railing against mail-in voting with more misinformation. TRUMP: Take a look at West Virginia, mailman selling the ballots. They are being sold. They are being dumped in rivers. BROWN: A false claim, prompting West Virginia's Republican Secretary of State to clarify in a statement, a postal carrier altered absentee ballot applications not ballots. TRUMP: This is a horrible thing for a country. JOE BIDEN (D) 2020 U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There is no evidence of that. TRUMP: This is not going to end well. BROWN: Trump also made clear his hope that pushing through his Supreme Court justice nominee Amy Coney Barrett will tip the scales at the High Court in his favor. TRUMP: I hope we don't need them in terms of the election itself but for the balance I think so. BROWN: And we've learned that more than 1.2 million Americans have already cast their ballots this year showing the intense interest and early voting this year compared to past elections, Pamela Brown, CNN, Washington. CURNOW: So people working at these election polling stations are on the mind of a former U.S. president. BARACK OBAMA, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I am obviously not the main event tonight. But I want to come on to give a shout out for all the folks who are volunteering as poll workers and (inaudible). UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you. OBAMA: You know, it can be a (inaudible) job. It's not one of those things you think about but it is absolutely vital for our democracy and I appreciate it and I hope all NBA fans will appreciate you, when they see those (inaudible) at the polling place. CURNOW: Barack Obama there making a surprise virtual appearance at a U.S. pro basketball finals game between L.A. Lakers and Miami Heat to take up the job of poll workers doing the job. So the basketball games are now being held close -- behind closed doors due to the coronavirus pandemic. So that's the show for this hour. I'm Robyn Curnow. I will be back again at the top of the next hour. For more news, boy oh boy there's a lot of us to join me for that. Thanks a lot.

Obama Makes Surprise Virtual Appearance At NBA Finals

Obama macht überraschenden virtuellen Auftritt beim NBA-Finale

奥巴马在NBA总决赛上虚拟亮相

SCIUTTO: Well, if you think the economic pain in this country is over, listen to these numbers it's just heartbreaking, 837,000 more Americans filed for first-time -- first-time -- unemployment last week, millions in total remain out of work. This of course because of the pandemic. Millions who have to figure out how to put food on the table, and crucially how to keep a roof over their heads. HARLOW: That's right, millions with children. But for many, they're fighting to save their homes in this pandemic, and the problem is growing so much one city is using it convention center as an eviction court. Our senior national correspondent Kyung Lah joins us with more. Now, you have been all over, shining a light on these evictions. What is happening here? KYUNG LAH, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well four weeks ago, Poppy and Jim, the CDC eviction moratorium went into effect -- a national moratorium. The intent is to keep people in their homes during this pandemic. But as we found, in Columbus, Ohio, that is not what's happening. LAH (voice-over): In Columbus, Ohio, the city convention center -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All rise. LAH (voice-over): -- is now the courtroom. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you're occupying this property? LAH (voice-over): This space, chosen to socially distance crowds during the pandemic, 118 evictions are on the docket today. Among them? Umu Conteh. UMU CONTEH, FACING EVICTION: I work in the nursing home. When I get infected with the COVID. LAH (voice-over): Conteh says she contracted the virus in June at the nursing home where she worked. The U.S. resident, an immigrant from Sierra Leone, was out of work for two months. She's now working as a home health care aide, making $12 an hour. It's not enough to pay the rent she owes. CONTEH: They gave me 30 days. I'm just thinking about my kids, where did (ph) I go with my kids? LAH (voice-over): Everywhere you turn, a different face shares an economic plight that landed them here. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And why did you do that? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For nonpayment of rent. LAH (voice-over): Cases filed against tenants despite a national moratorium on most evictions until the end of the year. LAH: The public often things a moratorium means nothing's happening. Is that the case? MELISSA BENSON, LEGAL AID SOCIETY OF COLUMBUS: Absolutely not here, and I don't believe in any other places at this point. There are cases being filed every day, still. LAH (voice-over): The Legal Aid Society of Columbus says most tenants don't know about the moratorium or how to get the federal protection. In Columbus, financial aid and pro bono lawyers sit on the wings of Magistrate Kirk Lindsey's eviction court -- KIRK LINDSEY, MAGISTRATE, FRANKLIN COUNTY MUNICIPAL COURT: These are certainly unprecedented times from my perspective. LAH (voice-over): -- working to get that moratorium information to tenants like the Turner family. SHAYLYNN WEBB, FACING EVICTION: I'm sorry. Yes. It's just scary for her because this is like our first apartment, like we're new, really, to the adulthood. LAH (voice-over): They're new parents, afraid to comfort their 8- month-old daughter in the public air in the pandemic. RODNEY TURNER, FACING EVICTION: Everything was going so perfect until it just wasn't, you know? LAH: Both of you lost your jobs? WEBB: Yes. TURNER: Yes. LAH (voice-over): That was in March. Rodney Turner just got a new job two weeks ago, but they're months behind on rent. WEBB: It's just really overwhelming. And it's scary because we don't know, you know, what's going to happen in there. They could saw we've got to move out in a week, and we don't know. LAH (voice-over): The tenants we meet today won't know if they can stay in their homes until yet another court appearance next week. Umu Conteh heads home. A single mother, the health care worker asks friends to care for her children day to day, while she cares for the elderly. CONTEH: This is Ramatu (ph), that is Khadijah (ph). It's my daughter. LAH (voice-over): She is grateful for her small home. CONTEH: My apartment is nice, as you can see. LAH (voice-over): She just needs to find a way to stay. LAH: And last week in Columbus, Ohio, according to the court, eviction filings for that week were the highest that they have been since the pandemic began. And something else, Poppy and Jim. Jim, you were just talking about those unemployment numbers? The people in our story are employed, they're newly employed, they're part of the economic recovery. They're just behind in their bills, so that's something to keep in mind as you look at this data coming out. SCIUTTO: You wonder where homelessness starts? It starts in that courtroom there, right? For many families. Kyung Lah, we're so glad to have you on the story. HARLOW: Yes. Thanks, Kyung. Thanks to all of you for joining us today, we'll see you back here tomorrow morning. I'm Poppy Harlow.

Ohio Expands Eviction Court into Convention Center.

Ohio erweitert Räumungsgericht zum Convention Center.

俄亥俄州将法院扩大到会议中心。

KEILAR: Hours before he took the debate stage in Ohio, President Trump pushed a baseless claim about election fraud in another key state, Pennsylvania. After Trump supporters were turned away from a polling site in the state, the president tweeted this, "Wow, won't let poll watchers and security into Philadelphia voting places. There's only one reason why. Corruption" -- triple exclamation points -- "Must have a fair election." And then he doubled down once on stage. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm encouraging my supporters to go in the polls and watch very carefully because that's what has to happen. I am urging them to do it. As you know, today, there was a big problem. In Philadelphia, they went to watch. They're called poll watchers. A very safe, nice thing. They were thrown out. They weren't allowed to watch. You know why? Because bad things happen in Philadelphia, bad things. KEILAR: Al Schmidt is a Republican city commissioner for Philadelphia. Thank you so much for being with us. COMMISSIONER AL SCHMIDT (R-PA): Thank you. KEILAR: So, I want to be clear because there are Pennsylvania state laws that make it very clear. They govern when and where poll watchers can observe voting. And these pro-Trump workers or watchers did not meet the guidelines. Explain what happened. SCHMIDT: Poll watchers have a very important function on Election Day. They receive certificates allowing them into polling places to observe and make sure the election is running smoothly, that there aren't people inside advocating for candidates or anything like that. That's a totally different circumstance than the other day. They were entering Board of Elections offices in Philadelphia. KEILAR: So, he's saying it's a very nice, safe thing. When you're looking to the letter of the law, that doesn't seem to match what we're seeing here. So, tell us what they're supposed to do if they find they're confronted by someone claiming to be a poll watcher. SCHMIDT: We never want voters to be intimidated. We want every eligible voter to exercise their right to vote, whether it's on Election Day or requesting a mail-in ballot, which we now have in Pennsylvania, or showing up to a Board of Elections office to request a mail-in ballot in person. It's simply the voter requesting a mail-in ballot, us looking up to see the voter is an eligible voter, printing out their ballot and provide it to the voter. They can take it home, fill it out at the kitchen table, in the hallway and return to us if they want. If there's any challenge to the eligibility of these ballots, parties have the opportunity to do that. But they don't have the opportunity to roam around Board of Elections offices where voters are seeking services from the city. KEILAR: So, you hear the president raising these suspicions, which are baseless, about your city. Or he could do it about any city. What is the impact? What is your reaction to this, being someone from Philadelphia? SCHMIDT: So, Philadelphia's my adopted home. I'm from Pittsburgh. And I sometimes say the only bigotry my parents raised me with was that bad things happen in Philadelphia and it's bad place. And that's simply not true. I love Philadelphia. We have more than 1.1 million eligible voters in Philadelphia, Republicans, Democrats, Independents and others. We want all of them to cast their vote. KEILAR: There's a rivalry between these two cities. KEILAR: There you are bridging the gap in Pennsylvania. Al Schmidt, thank you so much for being with us. SCHMIDT: Thank you, Brianna. KEILAR: As the president is raising doubts he'll agree to changes to the next two debates, the moderator at the center of Tuesday night's disaster is about to speak. Stand by for that.

City Commissioner Al Schmidt (R-Philadelphia, PA), Discusses Trump Falsely Claiming Election Fraud in Philly

Stadtkommissar Al Schmidt (R-Philadelphia, PA) diskutiert, dass Trump fälschlicherweise Wahlbetrug in Philly behauptete

城市专员阿尔·施密特（宾夕法尼亚州费城市）讨论特朗普在费城谎称选举舞弊

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: It is the top of the hour, I'm Brianna Keilar. And for two days now, President Trump has been unable or unwilling to condemn white supremacists in a way that would make it clear he does not welcome the support of white supremacists. He danced around this during the debate when he told a far-right group to stand back and stand by. And when given the chance to denounce them the day after, he refused. And today, the White House flat-out wouldn't denounce white supremacy when asked directly by multiple reporters. And since the White House wonders why everyone is asking him to do so, it's because of examples like this. As Election Day nears, President Trump is escalating his campaign of fear and falsehoods, refusing to specifically condemn white supremacists two times in the past three days while stoking division during his latest rally in Minnesota. His targets? Democratic freshman Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, and refugees. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What is going on with Omar? I've been reading these reports for two years about how corrupt and crooked she is. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up! UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up! TRUMP: Let's get with her, let's get with her. How the hell -- then she tells us how to run our country, can you believe it? How the hell did Minnesota elect her? What the hell is wrong with you people? Another massive issue for Minnesota is the election of Joe Biden's plan to inundate your state with an historic flood of refugees. Biden will turn Minnesota into a refugee camp -- and he said that. KEILAR: Now, Congresswoman Omar is a Somali refugee who has been an American citizen for two decades. This is her country. And Trump made those comments on the same day that his White House announced it will cut refugee admissions to a new low next year, something that Biden has pledged to reverse if elected. But this latest round of racist rhetoric is setting off alarms for Republicans in Washington and beyond. A former RNC chair and Montana governor, telling "The New York Times" that he will vote for Biden, calling Trump, quote, "dangerous to the existence of the republic as we know it." John Blake is a senior writer for CNN Digital; Juliette Kayyem is a CNN national security analyst and former Obama Homeland Security official. And Juliette, to you first, FBI Director Wray said that white supremacists are the biggest threat. Both the president and his chief of staff have said essentially that Wray misspoke. I mean, mixed messaging is one way to describe it. How do hate groups interpret that? JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: That's exactly right. It doesn't really matter what Trump says, if it's coy, if it's confusing or whatever. What matters is what white supremacists are hearing. So we are beyond the point where we wonder what Donald Trump is doing. He is promoting terrorism, right? It is violence to effect political consequences -- in this case, he wants violence around the election. And he is supporting white supremacy groups and racist groups. Once you accept that, his explanation, his press spokeswoman's explanation, his silly apologies, his -- you know -- attempt to explain himself? They don't matter. And so you know, a month away from an election, we have a supporter of white supremacy, a supporter of terrorism who is running to seek re-election. And once you accept that, then what he says doesn't matter. We know exactly what he's doing. And I do worry we spend too much time focused on him, and not on what we can do -- right? -- to protect ourselves, to protect the election process, to get governors and mayors ready for potential violence. Because that -- we know -- he knows what he's doing at this stage. KEILAR: I mean, I do want to talk about that, what people can do. But it appears that, you know, people have their own ideas about what they can do. And John, Director Wray said he's worried about clashed between the far left and the far right at protests this fall. You have increasingly written about how African-Americans are arming themselves in the wake of this escalating rhetoric, which would be an indication that they feel more unsafe. What are the numbers showing? JOHN BLAKE, CNN DIGITAL SENIOR WRITER: The numbers are showing a record increase in numbers of black Americans who are buying guns. It comes along (ph) like with two different groups. You have armed groups that are forming in the black community, but you also have private citizens in the black community who are also buying guns, saying that they need to protect themselves against racism, need to protect themselves against racist police officers. And I think what this is doing is that it's creating this explosive mix. You have these armed white groups that are showing up at these racial protests, but you also have more African-Americans who say, I have to be armed. And they may appear at these protests. So what happens when these two different movements collide? Now, I'm very concerned that there will be some kind of confrontation where there will be a video or photograph taken of an African-American using a gun in self-defense, but it won't be seen that way. It will be seen as the black person being violent. And in a sense, what that would provide President Trump is a Willie Horton 2.0. A new image of a black person as a violent person? That could change everything. KEILAR: And Juliette, you touched on this. I want to ask you, what can be done to counter the possibility -- it sounds like you expect that there will be violence, what can be done both from the -- you know, the establishment and just from people who are trying to make sure this doesn't happen? KAYYEM: Right. And I'm glad you asked because there's obviously a lot of tension and fear, and I don't mean to minimize that. But I just think, you know, you hear people come on and talk about -- you know, use words like "civil war," we're not in a civil war. We have agency. We need to empower ourselves, and there's a lot of things that we can do. So I want people to leave optimistically because it is scary to have a president who promotes terrorism and violence, I get that. What he is promoting is a minority viewpoint in America, a small group of random men -- pathetic men -- who arm themselves for a cause that the president give them voice to. We are greater than them, we are a lot more than them. We can support law enforcement as well as mayors and governors -- who are preparing for this, I work with them specifically. They are setting up command posts, they are getting the National Guard prepared just in case they need to deploy. They are surveying and watching public sites to make sure that these pathetic men do not try to congregate. There are ways in which individuals can you know, support voting and be out lawfully to support voting. The media can stop trying to explain Donald Trump, and recognize the support he's giving to white supremacy and terrorism as we lead into an election season. And I think once you do that, then whatever he does, doesn't matter and it's basically, you know, calling him out. And then I think Republicans who can and will, need to come out. They have constituencies KEILAR: And John, you mentioned that black Americans are increasingly arming themselves legally, they're practicing their Second Amendment rights. Are you seeing the Second Amendment playing a significant role when it comes to black voters at the ballot box? Is this a consideration? BLAKE: I don't think that's a primary motivation for black voters. I think the primary motivation is Trump. I don't think a lot of black voters need any more motivation than that. What I'm concerned about with the Second Amendment and African- Americans is that the Second Amendment hasn't really traditionally been reserved for black folks. We haven't traditionally been allowed to practice it like white Americans, frankly. And I think that's what I'm really concerned about. What I say often is that if you have armed white men in public carrying guns and waving the American flag, some people will see them as patriots. But if you have armed black or brown men in public honoring their Second Amendment rights, people call them thugs and a threat to public safety. KEILAR: No, we've seen that play out historically, the double standard when it comes to race and bearing arms. John Black, Juliette Kayyem, thank you so much to both of you. President Trump is planning to hold two rallies in Wisconsin this weekend despite the state's alarming new coronavirus numbers. Wisconsin is reporting major spikes in new cases and hospitalizations along with a record high number of COVID deaths reported in a single day. Both of the rally locations, Green Bay and La Crosse, have been deemed red zones by the White House Coronavirus Task Force. CNN's Omar Jimenez has more details from Green Bay. OMAR JIMENEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brianna, here in Wisconsin, we are coming off the deadliest single day we have seen for coronavirus since the pandemic began. And Wednesday, we also saw a record number of hospitalizations just days after the state set a single-day case record over the weekend. Now when you look back at the numbers -- even going back to mid-June -- we were actually seeing a steady increase in coronavirus cases. But then starting in early September to now, an absolute spike. The White House Coronavirus Task Force, specifically citing Wisconsin as one of the highest rates of spread in the country. And county officials here in Green Bay tell us that some of the factors that have made things difficult are things like COVID fatigue and increased social activities -- Brianna. KEILAR: Omar, thank you so much. CNN has new details today on what was driving the coronavirus decisions inside the White House in the early days of the pandemic. And the takeaway was that it was all about optics. CNN national security correspondent Vivian Salama, who wrote this report, is joining us now. And, Vivian, you detail how officials in the West Wing didn't think that masks were a, quote, "good look," which is infuriating, right? Because that's not the point. Death is also not a good, extreme sickness is not a good look. Expand on what you found for us. VIVIAN SALAMA, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Brianna, so I took on this deep dive essentially after finding out that one of the most senior National Security Council officials went and got a bunch of masks for staff at the White House and the NSC, and was trying to advocate for them to use it. And that was as early as early February, where still this was new, we only had a couple dozen cases in the United States and they were really bracing for something really severe hitting the United States, and they wanted to protect the government. But if you go to the White House now and you walk the halls of the Executive Office Building where the NSC sits, you don't really see people wearing masks any more. And so I tried to understand sort of what happened between that initial push and the fact that we are today usually seeing people without masks for the most part. And so what I learned is that essentially when national security officials -- and not just the one, many of them together -- started insisting in January that this, we are bracing for a storm and that the United States could really face something very severe in terms of the pandemic, which was still in those days in China. The White House, the West Wing started pushing back on them and saying, we cannot enforce mask-wearing, make it mandatory. It's not legal, but it's also not a good look, is what they kept on saying. They didn't want to undermine the president's message of competence, that he has everything under control, that it's nothing to worry about, his praise of Xi Jinping of China, who remember, in mid- January, had signed a trade deal with the president and he didn't want to also kind of rock that boat. We have to go back to January and remember that in those days, the president was still going through an impeachment trial, and he had just signed this trade deal with China, the economy was still doing pretty well. And his political team ultimately didn't want anything rocking the boat. They wanted to avoid any crisis. And so for them, having White House and national security officials walking around campus wearing masks, they felt was just going to send the wrong message. And I heard this from dozens of officials that I spoke to, that it was a huge problem with regard to messaging and particularly with regard to wearing masks. KEILAR: Such a shame. Vivian Salama, thank you so much for bringing that report to us. The Senate just voted down a bill by minority leader Chuck Schumer that would protect people with pre-existing conditions even if the Supreme Court strikes down the Affordable Care Act. Let's go to CNN's Lauren Fox on Capitol Hill for this. I mean, this measure failed, I think we expected that. There were some Republicans who crossed the aisle, though. Tell us about what happened. LAUREN FOX, CNN CONGRESSIONAL REPORTER: Well Brianna, I think that that is really the important point here, and this is why Chuck Schumer went to the floor a couple of days ago and brought forward this bill, it was a highly unusual move, very surprising to folks watching on Capitol Hill. But the reason is he wanted to put some of those members up for re- election in a tough spot, and that's exactly what happened. You had a handful of Republicans -- six total, five of whom are up for re- election this cycle -- voting with Democrats. And I want to go through who those individuals are. You had Lisa Murkowski, who's not up for re-election but a Republican from Alaska, independent-minded. As well as Susan Collins, a Republican from Maine who is up for re-election. You had Cory Gardner from Colorado, as well as Joni Ernst, who is from Iowa, voting with Democrats. Also surprisingly, Martha McSally, a Republican from Arizona who is up for re-election. So a number of Republicans joining Democrats, still far from actually moving this piece of legislation forward. But it's important to note that this bill essentially said the Justice Department, the Trump Justice Department, should not be involved in the ACA lawsuit that is going before the Supreme Court after the election in November. What they wanted to do was make sure that they tied the Supreme Court nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the health care law. That's what they did this afternoon. And while they fell short, they certainly forced some Republicans to take a tough vote -- Brianna. KEILAR: All right, Lauren, thank you so much for that report from Capitol Hill for us. Next, vaccine maker Moderna gives a new timeline for its vaccine to be ready, and it will not be in time for the election. Plus, a new study finds that losing your sense of taste and smell could be the only symptom that you ever get from coronavirus. And then later, a Philadelphia city commissioner fact-checks the president's claim that election fraud is happening there.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: By every measure, we won the debate easily last night. JOE BIDEN, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: The President of United States conducted himself the way he did. I think there's just national embarrassment. BECKY ANDERSON, CNN ANCHOR: Is this a taste of what's to come? President Trump declares a debate win despite chaotic reviews. The integrity of the U.S. election increasingly at risk. Then Brexit chaos, the E.U. launches legal action against the U.K., setting the stage to sue. Plus, 100,000 airline jobs in America are at risk if Congress doesn't act. Two major airlines announcing massive cuts today. And China's tourism set to boom on its national day, while holidaymakers they're on are flocking to Wuhan. This hour, America votes in just a 33 days. I'm Becky Anderson. Hello, and welcome to "Connect the World". Thirty-three days from the vote. And two days after that election debate. You know that totally off the rails ugly, cantankerous insult laid meeting that saw Mr. Trump and Joe Biden go for one another's throats with almost no focus on substance or policy, while much of the world watched on with a mix of revulsion and confusion. Yes, that debate. Well, a couple of days after it, we are still left with the fallout. And we are also left asking how hard is it to condemn white supremacy. I mean, really, or maybe not easy at all for some people. Watch this, as Donald Trump tries to rewrite his debate performance. TRUMP: Done in New York -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But I'm talking about white supremacists, sir. TRUMP: Like they've done in New York, I just told you. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But do you denounce them? Do you denounce them white - - TRUMP: I've always denounce any form, any form. Any form of any of that. You have to denounce -- ANDERSON: OK, well, there it is. He did say it at least in some way. Sure. But there was -- where was that in the debate, which was watched, let me tell you, by more than 73 million Americans, 73 million and that's just in the states. Let's rewind it to see why we are asking all of this in the first place. TRUMP: What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name. CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS HOST: White supremacist and right-wing -- TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa. ANDERSON: Which leaves you asking, I tell you what, what now? The Proud Boys are a far right group. And he told them to stand back and stand by. Comments that we know delighted the group. What does stand back and stand by even mean? Well, something clearly because we've now seen Mr. Trump trying to roll that back and fast. Have a look for yourself. TRUMP: I don't know who the Proud Boys are. But you have to give me a definition because I really don't know who they are. I can only say they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work. ANDERSON: OK. So, in summary, he doesn't know them. And yet they apparently should stand back and stand by. You can't walk and chew gum on that. So, which is -- well I don't know what the President makes of the group, honestly, I don't know if he's familiar with them or not. But his failure to clearly condemn them is even concerning those in the President's own party because, you know, hate speech isn't about ideology or political leaning. It is just wrong and it is outright on American. TIM SCOTT (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: I think he misspoke. I think he should correct it. If he doesn't correct it, I guess he didn't misspeak. MITCH MCCONNELL, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: But I want to associate myself with the remarks of Senator Tim Scott. He said it was unacceptable not to condemn white supremacists. And so I do so in the strongest possible way. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Should the President condemn white supremacy? MELISSA BENSON, LEGAL AID SOCIETY OF COLUMBUS: Absolutely. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was the BENSON: Yes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He should unequivocally condemn white supremacy. ANDERSON: So all of this just after one debate, just one and there are two more to go over the next few weeks. But they are unlikely to go down like this one did or at least the officials who oversee them. Hope that the next two debates won't. They are going to make changes to, quote, ensure a more orderly discussion, and we can only hope, America can only hope. Here's how Joe Biden saw it all. BIDEN: I kind of thought at one point, maybe I shouldn't say this, but the President of the United States conducted himself the way he did. I think it was just a national embarrassment. ANDERSON: Well, CNN's Jessica Dean has just got back from Ohio where, of course, that debate took place. She is with us now from Washington. Jessica, organizers some of these debates promise the next two rounds will be, and I quote them here, more orderly. How on earth, some will say, are they going to do that? JESSICA DEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right, it's a very, very good question, because whatever changes they do decide to make, you still have the question of, well, how will they enforce them? Will the candidates particularly President Trump respect these new rules? The Commission on Presidential Debates not specifying exactly what they're considering. But we know from New York Times reporting, that some of the new rules they're considering include additional restrictions to the amount of time that each candidate gets. Perhaps coming up with a way for the moderator to mute the microphone of the candidates, if it's not their turn to talk. A third option that the Times was reporting is perhaps if the candidates interrupt that they have to yield some of their time to their opponent. So, those are some of the things that are being reported out there. But, again, Becky, we're not sure at this point exactly what the commission will put in place. They do say that they want additional structure and it was incredibly clear and all those clips that you just played, just how important that is going to be moving forward. It is also important to note that the next debate in Miami, Florida, and about a little less than two weeks is a town hall format, which means that members of the audience will be asking questions to the candidates. So will that in and of itself, lend itself to a little more control, if we have voters in the room and the candidates are answering to voters. We're just going to have to see, Becky. The commission saying that they will release those changes shortly. ANDERSON: Yes, well, just hoping. Jessica, thank you. Well, a full of that sounded pretty chaotic. And, boy, was it? Well, it may just be the opening act for what could be a very, very messy American election on November the 3rd, unlike any that we have ever seen before. President Trump keeps on refusing to agree to that most fundamental of American traditions leaving office, if he loses. WALLACE: And will you pledge tonight, that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified? President Trump, you go first. TRUMP: I'm urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully, because that's what has to happen. I am urging my people, I hope it's going to be a fair election. If it's a fair election -- WALLACE: You're urging them what? TRUMP: I am 100 percent on board. But if I see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, I can't go along with that. And I'll tell you what. From a common sense -- WALLACE: Does that mean you're going to tell your people to take the streets? TRUMP: It means you have a fraudulent election. ANDERSON: Well, CNN's Chief Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin wrote a piece in The New Yorker under the headline, Ending Trump's Assault on the Rule of Law, arguing that the protection of voter rights is the main pillar of protecting America's democracy. And I'm very pleased to say that he joins us now from New York to help us wade through what are these uncharted waters. Jeffrey, 33 days out from this election during the debate, Donald Trump encouraging his voters to stake out the polls on Election Day. Let's just hear it from the horse's mouth as it were. WALLACE: You go first. TRUMP: I'm urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully. Because that's what has to happen. I am urging them to do it. As you know, today, there was a big problem. In Philadelphia they went in to watch. They were called poll watchers -- a very safe, very nice thing. They were thrown out. They weren't allowed to watch. You know why? Because bad things happen in Philadelphia, bad things. ANDERSON: Jeffrey, is the President encouraging a form of voter intimidation at this point? JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN CHIEF LEGAL ANALYST: Absolutely, and breaking of the law. I mean, what happened in Philadelphia is that in Philadelphia, like in, I think, every locale in the United States, there are rules about where you can campaign. You can campaign, for example, within 50 feet of a polling place. His supporters we're violating that rule. They were told to leave. That is completely standard, completely appropriate. And I think it's indicative of several things about what's going on with the President and this election. He is encouraging his supporters to violate the law, to go into polling places where they are not allowed unless, of course, they are voting, which of course, they are welcome to do, and to try to engage in some sort of surveillance on his behalf, which is illegal. And I think that is just part and parcel of a larger effort to question the legitimacy of this section. When you think that we have had Presidential elections in the United States, during the Civil War in the 1860s, during World War I in the early part of the 20th century, during World War II, we have conducted fair elections in this country throughout American history. And the idea that the President thinks somehow this election, because it will be increasing - - more by mail than in previous elections, is somehow illegitimate is counter to all of the norms and values of the American democracy. ANDERSON: All right. Over a million mail-in voting ballots have already been cast, as I understand it. I mean, today, we are reporting spikes in COVID cases in over half of American state. So, quite frankly, many will be turning to mail-in ballot voting. And let's be absolutely clear about this. Are there any valid concerns over this method of voting? TOOBIN: Well, there are always concerns about mistakes being made, about the, you know, the technology not working properly, about the mail not working properly. But the idea of fraud, of intentional manipulation of the balance, of thousands of ballots, as the President said, you know, being pulled out of nowhere or out of foreign countries, there is no history of that in the United States. There is no evidence that that is going to take place with this election. And the fact that the President is discrediting this election in advance, based on no evidence is really chilling and unprecedented in American history. ANDERSON: Jeffrey, what practical steps are being taken to prepare? Should Donald Trump lose and decide that he's not going to leave? I'm talking about his campaign here. TOOBIN: Well, you know, there are -- I don't know what steps can be taken exactly in advance of that. I mean, the -- our election is functioning properly, the states are preparing that -- one of the weird things about American democracy is that it's not run by the United States government, it is run more at the local level, at the state level, and even the county level. So the states and the counties are preparing for an election and they know there will be a lot more mail-in ballots, and they are doing their best to prepare. In terms of the outcome, you know, there is -- I don't think there are any special preparations underway, it is possible that -- and the President has certainly encouraged this idea -- that there will be litigation, there will be court fights about the electoral -- how the ballots are counted and the outcome. That, of course, I'm sure many of our viewers remember, in 2000, when Al Gore and George W. Bush were in a very close election in Florida, that case wound up in the Supreme Court. One reason the President says he is pushing so hard to have his nominee, Amy Coney Barrett confirmed to the Supreme Court is that he says he wants her on the Supreme Court in time to help him in the election. This is inappropriate in and of itself, but, you know, this is how the President operates. ANDERSON: And, of course, there are reports out there, not reports here at CNN were standing up, but there are reports that the Trump campaign has a bevy of lawyers retained with a view to working that litigation, should the campaign at least deem it necessary. Jeffrey Toobin, it's a pleasure having you on, sir. TOOBIN: There's no there's no doubt that there are lawyers on both sides ready to go. What and whether they do, that's what's up for -- uncertainty. ANDERSON: Yes. Interesting. It's a pleasure having you on, sir, thank you very much indeed. And I'll be speaking to California Secretary of State in about 15 minutes from now. He is the chief election official for that state. So, that should be an interesting conversation. Do stay with us for that. But all along, the pillar of Mr. Trump's pitch has been it is the economy stupid. That wasn't his actual phrase. It's somebody else's as you know, but he will -- he has adopted it effectively. Wishful thinking about the stock market won't though cut it in the pandemic era. This hour, 100,000 jobs, good well-paying jobs in the American airline industry are at risk when a federal bailout package just expired. Already, tens of thousands have been let go so far today. And why? Well, because American politicians not striking a new bailout deal. MCCONNELL: The latest bill from the speaker is no more serious than any of their political stunts going back months. NANCY PELOSI, U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER: But we passed our bill over four months ago. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. PELOSI: And it was a large bill because we have large needs in that country. They started putting forward skinny bills or which Chuck calls it, emaciated bills that do not meet the needs of our country. So we -- we're willing to cut back $1 trillion and even more, not taking out priorities, but taking out the length of time. ANDERSON: Well, it's not unique to America, of course. Around the world, the downturn could wipe out some 46 million jobs in the airline industry. We are all traveling a lot less, of course, even people who pretty much used to live at 30,000 feet. Let's bring in a couple of our high fliers. CNN's Richard Quest in New York and John Defterious not far from us but safely socially distancing out in Abu Dhabi. Good to have you on chats (ph). So Richard, let's start with you. Months of negotiations on Capitol Hill, so far, no end and now more cuts, it seems. RICHARD QUEST, CNN BUSINESS, EDITOR-AT-LARGE: Yes, the airlines have already made substantial cuts. Tens of thousands of employees have left the payrolls voluntarily, either through retirement or through early redundancy. However, this cliff that we went over last night now makes it possible for the airlines to do involuntary furloughs. So United said it'll lose 13,000, Americans said it'll lose 19,000, unless the government comes up with more money to keep those jobs and that they failed to do. The problem here, Becky, is time. Because once those people have been let go, particularly flight attendants and pilots and skilled engineers, they won't be able to be brought back easily. No disrespect to waiters, but you can bring waiters back six months from now. You might not be able to bring back flight attendants who have to be recertified or pilots who have to do regular checks. And that's why, going over the cliff, making these involuntary furloughs, these redundancies, if you like, will effectively be lowering the workforce in the various airlines. ANDERSON: John, I know that you've been looking at this region specifically. So let's just zoom in with this sort of setback for tourism and the airline industry. What does it mean, for a sector that has grown phenomenally here, not just in the region, but in the Gulf and in the UAE, over the past two decades? And, importantly, what does it mean for employment or unemployment at this point? JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNN BUSINESS, EMERGING MARKETS EDITOR: Well, Becky, great question, because as a general rule of thumb, 10 percent of overall employment around the world is directly linked to tourism. It's even higher in some of these markets in the Middle East and North Africa, like Egypt, Turkey, Morocco, Jordan, for example, a big growth that we've seen in the UAE by Dubai, and also Abu Dhabi in the last few years, Saudi Arabia for the Hodge (ph). So we have some very interesting numbers of the growth over the last, what, 18 years extraordinary, three-fold increase in terms of arrivals to an extraordinary number here that you can see on the screen. And then if you look at the revenues, it's a five-fold increase and that gives you a sense that they've gone for a high value traveller, and they're spending more time in these countries. Now, the biggest worry here is that we have very high youth unemployment and some of the markets I was talking about, particularly Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, right that runs 25 percent to 30 percent. So this is a real concern if you have a shot across the bow. And most people are focusing on the airline sector themselves, and the revenue impact that it's having 46 million jobs you talked about directly related. But we have to think about the cruise lines sector, Becky, because they've made a big push to try to get back into the market. For example, the Center for Disease Control in the United States wanted to dock the cruise line industry in the United States and extend it to February, now the White House is pushing back. So if you take it in its totality, the World Tourism and Trade Council is looking at 200 million jobs that could be infected over the next two years, depending on the pace of the vaccine distribution, of course, and the pace of economic recovery. And let me just add one other thing to that. International Monetary Fund said we cannot ignore the debt situation we're faced with today. It's very difficult for developing countries emerging markets, very dependent on tourism to try to make a recovery with that debt burden on their shoulders today as we speak. ANDERSON: Yes, no, you're making a very, very good point. Thank you for that. Those numbers are very, very depressing. Richard, we should look at the recovery rate. What are people suggesting at this point? How long will it take to build the aviation industry back up to what it was, for example, pre-pandemic? QUEST: If you look at the various assessments, Becky, nobody -- I mean, they shift a lot, but you're talking 2022 out to 2025. That's when people think it's going to sort of get back to where it was. But I'm going to add a caution to that, if ever, because what we allow so learning is that there is a part of the industry that will not come back either because we're getting better from working from home, business travel will be much more limited, leisure travel will shift. So there will be an irreducible minimum that will not come back. We don't know how much certainly. We're not talking about anything approaching the previous levels for at least three to four years. ANDERSON: Yes, remarkable stuff. To both of you, thank you very much indeed. So while the travel business fights to stay afloat elsewhere in China, well it's getting a new lease of life. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first significant travel holiday since the coronavirus outbreak has begun here in China. It's called Golden Week and it marks the founding of the People's Republic. And this year, it's eight days in which you've got folks flocking to train stations to airports and to tour sites within China. ANDERSON: Next hour, despite coronavirus fears, Chinese travelers hit the road in massive numbers. And next, the UK government just got a letter in the post letting them know that the E.U. is not happy.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Any form, any form of any of that you have to denounce. JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, after refusing to do it at the debate, now the president says he's always denounced that, refusing to say what "that" is, and conveniently forgetting that he didn't do it Tuesday night. Moreover, at a rally in Minnesota overnight, the president used language that will thrill white supremacists, warning that that state could turn into a refugee camp, the language of invasion, and hurling a racist attack against a member of Congress from Minnesota. There's also new debate fallout this morning. The bipartisan debate commission is planning changes to the final two debates that could include a mute button to prevent interruptions. ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: I wish I had one of those. BERMAN: For me? CAMEROTA: For anybody. Anybody. Not you, of course. I mean just some of our guests. BERMAN: OK. BERMAN: Exactly. You said that out loud. And they can hear you. CAMEROTA: It does seem useful. All right, meanwhile, coronavirus, it continues to surge across the country, 27 states seeing an increase in cases this morning. Nearly 1,000 more Americans died just yesterday. Wisconsin is seeing a sharp rise in new cases. The state posted single-day records for hospitalizations and deaths on Wednesday. Despite those numbers, President Trump is planning to hold two campaign rallies in Wisconsin this weekend. But let's begin with the debate fallout. Joining us now, we have CNN contributor Scott Jennings, he's a former special assistant to President George W. Bush, CNN political commentator Van Jones, he's a former adviser to President Obama, and CNN political commentator Joe Lockhart, he is the former press secretary under President Bill Clinton. Great to see all of you guys this morning. Let's just start there, Scott, with the fallout from the debate, and I mean for Republicans. It seems like the clean-up on aisle eight on Capitol Hill is falling to Republican senators. Let me just play some of them who were forced to explain President Trump's lack of denouncement for white supremacists. SEN. TIM SCOTT, (R-SC): I think he misspoke. I think he should correct it. If he doesn't correct it, I guess he didn't misspeak. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R-KY) SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: I want to associate myself with the remarks of Senator Tim Scott. He said it was unacceptable not to condemn white supremacists, and so I do so in the strongest possible way. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Should the president condemn white supremacy? SEN. SUSAN COLLINS, (R-ME): Absolutely. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it a mistake for him to leave that hanging out there? COLLINS: Yes. SEN. BILL CASSIDY, (R-LA): He should he unequivocally condemn white supremacy. CAMEROTA: Scott, do you worry this morning that the president's comments will come back to haunt some of those Republicans at the polls? SCOTT JENNINGS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, look, they all said the right thing yesterday. And, by the way, it's not a hard question to answer. If somebody asks you do you condemn white supremacy, you say yes, I condemn it in the strongest possible terms. And that's exactly what you heard out of all the Republican senators. So if you want to be fair about it, Donald Trump had a bad moment in that debate, he made a huge mistake. These Republicans said the exact right thing, exactly what you would expect them and want them to say. And so I would just say to voters who are thinking about it, you have to treat people by their own words, and these Republicans I think got it right. BERMAN: Are you drawing a distinction, Scott, between the president and Republicans who are running for office, again, and Republicans in the Senate, because that seems to be what's happening now? JENNINGS: Well, I think in October in an election year, everybody is accountable for their own words. Donald Trump is accountable for his words in the debate. These Republican senators are accountable for their words on Capitol Hill and when they're campaigning. And I think when we have weighty issues like this that require a clear, concise, precise language, and people give it to you, folks ought to take notice of that. CAMEROTA: It wasn't just the debate, Van. He had -- President Trump had another opportunity yesterday. And you saw that moment, we just played it. It was so interesting to see the wheels turning. He said, I've always denounced, I've always denounced, I've always denounced -- he's searching for some sort of word he can use that isn't white supremacy, and he says any of that. He can't say it. VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, this is a real, I think, problem. It's not just a problem the way we talk about it, politically he should have done this, he should have done that. The problem is that people are watching. We have a massive terrorist movement in the country, massive. The biggest terrorist movement in this country is this white supremacist movement. It's violent. It's killed people. It continues to kill people. And we've got to be able to confront it head on. The fact the president of the United States continues to kind of wink and nod at it is very dangerous. BERMAN: And Joe, if you can bear with me one second, because, Van, I want to get your take on something else here, which is not only did the president say that at the White House, but then at a rally in Minnesota he used language that seems very carefully chosen. It's the language that is relatable to white supremacists. He's talking about Ilhan Omar, who is often attacked by Republicans, and there are political ways to state your disagreements here. You can call her a liberal, which she is. You can talk about her positions. But he attacked the idea of refugee camps in Minnesota, which is the language of an invasion. And then he says this. Listen. DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What is going on with Omar? I've been reading these reports for two years about how corrupt and crooked she is. Let's get with it, let's get wit. How the hell -- then she tells us how to run our country. Can you believe it? How the hell did Minnesota elect her? What the hell is wrong with you people? BERMAN: And it's the "run our country" language, Van, that language of other which is something that is very much a part of a lexicon of these white supremacist groups. JONES: He has got to stop doing that, and Republicans have to go -- listen, it's one thing for Republicans to condemn white supremacy, which they should. This is the party of Lincoln, after all. That should be pretty much a no-brainer. At some point you have got to start being more direct and condemning the president for doing stuff like this. You don't have to like Ilhan Omar, you don't have to like anything that she's ever done, but she is an American citizen. E pluribus unum, OK. Out of many, one. She's an American citizen. It's not our country versus some foreigner, outsider, whatever. Once you're a citizen, you're a citizen. That was true for Trump's ancestors. It should be true for the present generations. Once you start putting that kind of stuff out there, people are watching. Somebody will come from that rally or see that, we don't know. They may see a woman in a hijab, and they may say something. They may feel a certain way. They may mistreat that person. They may hurt that person. And you've got to watch your language. You've got to be careful. You've got to take responsibility. You're giving aid and comfort and encouragement to a terrorist organization, a terrorist movement in the United States. For some reason we say white or racist, then people go to their corners. This is the biggest terrorist movement in the United States. The president of the United States is giving aid and comfort to that movement by what he's saying, by what he's not saying. At a certain point the Republican Party, not just senators saving their own seats, have to stand up and say we don't want that happening in the Republican Party. CAMEROTA: It's already happening. It's happening, Joe, in terms of we don't have to hope that nobody is going to act on it in the future. They have acted on it in the past. In fact, that was the point that Elizabeth Neumann was making. She was the assistant secretary of counterterrorism in President Trump's administration. She's now no longer in there, and she had this whole Twitter thread that she already has seen evidence of the president's rhetoric translating to real violence in the country from people who are activated by it. What she wrote was "I concluded after the attacks in El Paso that the president of the United States was complicit in the deaths of Americans for his refusal to recognize his language was in the shooter's manifesto. Tonight, he was given the opportunity to condemn white supremacy. He refused." That's, of course, she is referring to a mass shooting in our country. JOE LOCKHART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. Listen, I think Van and Scott are right and in denouncing that kind of language. So I want to come at this from a political strategy point of view. The president in the debate needed to change the dynamic of the race. He needed to focus it more on Joe Biden and make it a referendum on Biden. Make it about Joe Biden being a wild socialist and Marxist and tax hiker and weak on China. He didn't do that. What he did was he made it about himself. And he cannot win if this election is a referendum on him. He needs to make it on Biden to get those last undecideds to put him over the top. So it was not only a missed opportunity for him. Politically it was a disaster because not only did he not change the dynamic, he cemented the dynamic. He reinforced what all of his people think, but much more importantly, what the other 60 percent of the country thinks. And that is very hard to see him coming back with 30 days left. We'll see what he does in the debates, but he's a very weak position right now. BERMAN: Thirty days is 30,000 lifetimes, so who knows at this point. We've been through a lot before. I will say, Joe, it is notable if you watch some of the conservative stations, you see Republicans going on and pleading with the president for how to do things differently. I saw Ari Fleischer yesterday holding up a chart with big, clear letters, I think hoping that maybe the president was at least flicking through the stations so he could figure out a way to dig himself out. Joe, you've also talked extensively about the debates themselves at this point. The debate commission yesterday came out and said we're going to change things. We have to change things. It was so bad what the president did -- they didn't say that, although that's clearly why they're changing things, including maybe figuring out a way for the moderator to cut off the microphone of people. What do you think about these changes? What does it tell you? And what should the Biden campaign do with this? LOCKHART: Well, I think they have to make some changes, and I think the changes are relatively simple in the next debate, because it's a town hall format. And that is a completely different dynamic than two guys close up yelling at each other. There are some techniques as far as separating them, as far as separating the questioners, and keeping people in an area. And then as you say, turn off the mic when the other people is speaking. That's hard to do when they're right next to each other because you can hear the other people over the -- over their mic. The third debate is going to be the hard one. But what it says is that, once again, Trump has trampled on a norm. We always do these debates. They are relatively civil, but he proved on Tuesday that he can't do that. I actually think Biden's in this for good. He actually got something out of the debate and is very happy with it. I have a sneaking feeling that because the campaigns have to approve the changes that the commission does, that the president's team may say, oh, we're not going do that. And then to launch a major campaign against, saying the commission and Biden and the media are all in league together against me as a way to whip up his troops, because they know the debate was a disaster, and they know they can't change Donald Trump. They just can't change who he is. CAMEROTA: Scott, we're almost out of time. Do you think that both candidates will show up for the next two debates? JENNINGS: I think the odds favor it, but I wouldn't bet my kids' college education funding on it. You start telling candidates we're going to mute your microphone, especially when one is the president of the United States, I can imagine the negative reaction they would have to that. So I think probably, but not a sure bet. BERMAN: Alisyn threatened to mute all of your microphones. I don't know if you heard the intro here. CAMEROTA: And yours. And yours. BERMAN: And she did not. JENNINGS: We can hear everything you say before we come on. We can hear it. CAMEROTA: Then I apologize in advance. BERMAN: We know what you're saying about. JENNINGS: I just accomplished more in 47 seconds than Joe Lockhart has accomplished in 47 years. CAMEROTA: Gentlemen -- LOCKHART: I am a raving socialist. CAMEROTA: Oh, my gosh. This is actually very entertaining. We can go on with this if they weren't wrapping us. Scott, Van, Joe, thank you all very much. The head of the FDA pledges to stick with its vaccine guidelines despite pressure from President Trump. But who does have the ultimate authority here? Dr. Sanjay Gupta reports next.

President Trump's Failure to Specifically Condemn White Supremacy Draws Criticism from Senate Republicans; President Trump Makes Controversial Statements about Representative Ilhan Omar at Campaign Rally in Minnesota; Trump to Hold Rallies in Wisconsin Despite Alarming Figures.

Das Versäumnis von Präsident Trump, die "White Supremacy" ausdrücklich zu verurteilen, zieht Kritik von den Republikanern im Senat auf sich; Präsident Trump macht kontroverse Aussagen über den Abgeordneten Ilhan Omar bei der Wahlkampfveranstaltung in Minnesota; Trump will trotz alarmierender Zahlen Kundgebungen in Wisconsin abhalten.

特朗普总统未能明确谴责白人至上主义，招致参议院共和党人的批评；在明尼苏达州竞选集会上，特朗普总统发表的关于众议员伊尔汗·奥马尔的言论引发争议；特朗普不顾令人担忧的数据，坚持在威斯康星州举行集会。

QUEST: The E.U. is now to sue the U.K. over their withdrawal -- unilateral decision to change the withdrawal agreement and for breaking what they see as the Brexit game. Now, it's the Northern Ireland protocol. It's the heart of the dispute and the U.K. Cabinet Minister says the new law, you'll remember, the Cabinet Minister said the new law allowed the U.K. to break international law and treaties in the phrase specific and limited ways. Britain has now spoken to the E.U. "We will respond to the letter in due course." Gideon Moore is the Firmwide Managing Partner at the law firm, Linklaters, joins me now. We'll talk about this to start with. This is a -- this is -- I mean, to yank the U.K. before the court, it's surely just going to create more Brexit uncertainty before we get to the end of the year. GIDEON MOORE, FIRMWIDE MANAGING PARTNER, LINKLATERS: Richard, first of all, thanks very much for having me on this evening. The question you posed is a very nuanced and very complicated one, and I think that it's that one best answered by the experts that are considering it. And I figured with everyone else, we'll see how that plays out over the next period. But of course, as you say, it does stem from the Brexit negotiations, which are ongoing, and it's certainly an area that we have spent some time advising our clients on how Brexit and what it may look like as and when it's finally settled, will be by way of impact for our clients and their businesses. So we spent a lot of time helping them navigate what is probably the most complicated area of law for many, many years that also have regard to our own business and wellbeing of our business. QUEST: Gideon -- MOORE: Yes. QUEST: How will you be impacted in this sense once -- I mean, assuming there -- I mean either no deal, or a limited deal, a skinny deal, as it's called? Will you still be able to have the tentacles into Europe to be able to advise your clients, do you think? Or will you be handicapped? MOORE: We've spent a lot of time looking at this from our own perspectives as you would expect. We are an organization which as you say, does straddle both the U.K. into continental Europe and out into Asia and the States. And so we've had to have regard not only to the impact of the E.U.-U.K. discussions on the business of our clients, but also how it affects us as an organization, particularly one that operates in a regulated environment. I'm pleased to say that I've got the choice of 2,700 lawyers to be able to advise me and I've chosen carefully and the advice I'm getting is that we have no doubt that we will be able to continue to advise our clients whichever way the decisions and the discussions fall. QUEST: Related to this one of the other things we're hearing is that law firms are having increasing difficulties particularly the big law firms with their for example, indemnity insurances on COVID, for example and this comes back to your point about you changed your policy about people working from home. You're now allowing your colleagues to work up to 20 to 50 percent of their time. Now are you worried, obviously not in terms of you allowing it, but how are you going to manage the supervision which is what a lot of people are now finding is the difficulty, and the reason I raise this with you is that I do know that law firms, in particular, on this side of the Atlantic, and on yours are having now to have some difficulty when it comes to indemnity insurance. MOORE: It's not something that's been brought to my attention on the insurance side, and I have no doubt that my team would have done so had we had difficulties in that respect, and I think that we have very recently renewed that. But the point that you've raised about supervision is a very good one. Actually, the fact that someone has sat behind the screen working very hard doesn't mean that you have more or less supervision, whether you are in the room next to them, or many miles away working remotely. I think what it does come down to is trust and making sure that you have internal systems that ensure that proper supervision is given at all times. I think it raises another point, obviously, that actually, supervision and learning and training was a big part of the professional services firm is, it has to be said slightly more difficult if it is done remotely however well an organization goes about organizing itself, so as to support its colleagues. QUEST: Very interesting. That's a key crucial point. Grateful that you came on tonight, Gideon. Thank you. We will talk more about it. I appreciate it. Thank you. Now, in terms of the delays in how to keep ourselves safe during COVID. In the U.K., the N.H.S. track and trace system, the app is finally up and running, or sort of. Here is CNN's Anna Stewart. BORIS JOHNSON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: We have a growing confidence that we will have a test, track and trace operation that will be world beating. And yes, it will be in place. It will be in place by June the first. ANNA STEWART, CNN REPORTER (voice over): It took a lot longer than many expected. But finally, a test and trace app powered by Google and Apple has launched in England and Wales. STEWART (on camera): The app builds up a user's digital footprint using Bluetooth technology, which is constantly working in the background. It registers a digital handshake every time it comes in close proximity to another phone using the app. Now if one user develops COVID-19, and logs that into the phone, it sets off a chain reaction alerting all of those users who could be at risk. STEWART (voice over): It can advise people to isolate for 14 days, but it's not legally binding or enforced, unlike instruction from the N.H.S.'s human contact tracers. An epidemiologist who advise the government on the app says it has some key advantages. CHRISTOPHE FRASER, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD: Speed is the first thing. The second thing is that in some social settings, you know, in the pub or in public transport, you may spend some time in close proximity to them and not know, you know their name or the contact details. STEWART (voice over): Other features include a QR code function, so users can check in to pubs, restaurants and other venues. It isn't the U.K.'s first COVID-19 test and trace app. This earlier version was trialed on the Isle of Wight in May. It didn't work and was scrapped in June, a delay that could impact public trust in the technology. SUSAN BANDUCCI, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF EXETER: Other countries did -- were much quicker in deploying an app. Other countries have had higher uptake, like Iceland, up to 40 percent downloading and installing the app, but other countries like France has very -- they have very low uptake. So I think, by those indicators, you know, maybe not world beating, but catching up. STEWART: Over a fifth of the population have already downloaded it. The real test, though, of whether it can be an effective tool, will people self-isolate if the app suggests they should? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I wouldn't trust it. STEWART (on camera): How about you? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would, yes. Any advice is some advice. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Yes, of course. Yes. You've got to pay attention to that. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can't complain about the government and the restrictions and COVID and people dying if you're not willing to do your part. STEWART: Delays, technical issues, privacy concerns -- all this means is that this app has had a troubled start. It is now finally here, but experts say no matter how well it works, it'll only be one part of the fight against coronavirus. Anna Stewart, CNN, London. QUEST: And in some moment after the break and the news headlines, so the coronavirus pandemic marches on, the U.S. election is in disarray it would appear, and investors either aren't too concerned or they are concerned, but are plowing into the markets because it's the only game in town -- all of which will be discussed after the break.

E.U. Launches Legal Action against U.K.

EU leitet rechtliche Schritte gegen Großbritannien ein

欧盟对英国提起法律诉讼。

KEILAR: Now to Capitol Hill where lawmakers are not only responding to news that the president has COVID-19 but also news that a Senator who spent time with the president has also tested positive. I want to go to CNN's Phil Mattingly on the Hill. You have this stretching to Senate because Senator Mike Lee. You also have this other issue of the Treasury Secretary Mnuchin having met with Speaker Pelosi and with Leader McConnell. Now there are a bunch of questions of who could have been exposed and who might have been further exposed to them. PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Brianna, it goes broader than that because it wasn't just this Saturday ceremony at the White House for the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett or the negotiations on a broader stimulus package between the treasury secretary and the speaker of the House. There's also the Air Force One trip to Duluth, Minnesota, that a number of Republican members of the Minnesota congressional delegation went on. What the last 15 hours have demonstrated more so than perhaps over the course of the last five or six months, at least for people here on Capitol Hill, is how interconnected the White House is with Congress. It is something that, over the course of this period of time in the pandemic, everybody tried to keep the distance, tried to be smart about masks, in particular, here on Capitol Hill, particularly in the Senate. But the White House has continued to invite Republicans to events, has continued to invite Republicans to travel with the president. And Republicans have been more than willing to go along. And then you throw in the treasury secretary, who on Wednesday morning, met in the Oval Office with President Trump. And then, three hours later, was here on Capitol Hill meeting for 90 minutes behind closed doors with the speaker of the House. Shortly after that, walked over to the Senate majority's office, Mitch McConnell, and met with him face to face for 25 minutes. And you understand -- and I'm not sure if it's because people have gotten lax or complacent. Again, Steve Mnuchin wears a mask everywhere he goes. So does the speaker of House. So does Mitch McConnell. But something has occurred, kind of progressed over the course of the last several months that people are mingling, coming together, people are closer than perhaps they have been. And that leads to serious problems not just because Mike Lee, obviously, who tested positive today, putting out a statement, was there at the White House on Saturday, met face to face with Amy Coney Barrett on Tuesday, was at multiple Senate judiciary committee hearings and mark-ups over the week. Was at the closed-door Senate Republican lunches keeping social distance but they're eating and often take their masks off. I think the bigger issue right is, Brianna, there's no testing regime on Capitol Hill. There's no contact tracing regime in place on Capitol Hill. And what's been amazing, in both talking to lawmakers and texting with aides -- some of them were panicked last night, early in the morning, texting back and forth -- is nobody is totally sure of the scope and scale of this, right? You don't necessarily know who has talked to, who's been with who. Then you factor in the fact that members are traveling by airplane from districts and states across the country and you recognize that there's a very real potential issue here if things start to get out of hand. That's why I why you've heard, over the course of the day, members talking about the fact that, at some point, a testing regime needs to be put in place here. Leaders from both parties have rejected that up to this point. But I think perhaps now is the moment. I was just talking to House members as they were walking out. People are pissed, to be blunt, and they want some changes. We'll see if that actually happens. But as of now, the Senate is scheduled to be in session next week and hearings with Amy Coney Barrett scheduled still to start October 12th -- Brianna? KEILAR: They should be pissed. They should be. Phil, thank you very much. Phil Mattingly from Capitol Hill. The president's positive test amounts to the most serious known health threat to a sitting American president in decades, at least since 1981 when President Ronald Reagan was shot. There are no indications right now that President Trump is making any plans in case he takes a turn for the worse. His doctor said that he expects the president to carry out his duties. But what does happen if the president needs to go into the hospital? Could need a ventilator. Many Americans have. Needs to go into intensive care like so many coronavirus patients, who are of his age and have his health profile. I want to bring in CNN contributor, Garrett Graff, to talk about this. He has a book, "Raven Rock, The Story of the U.S. Government's Secret Plan to Save Itself While the Rest of Us Die." It is all about what he calls the hidden architecture in existence to ensure the continuity of government and presidential succession. Garrett, what does happen if the president becomes so sick that he cannot execute his duties of the office? GARRETT GRAFF, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: The good news -- of course, I want to say as what everyone else is saying, which is we all hope, as Americans, that the president -- KEILAR: Yes. GRAFF: -- stays as healthy as he can be. But the good news is that an illness by the president, even in the incapacity of the president, is actually not a big unknown question in the U.S. Constitution. The 25th Amendment lays out a very clear set of processes that would allow the president, if he is well enough to officially transfer power, to do so to the vice president, as well as for the vice president to seize power officially in the event that the president is suddenly taken ill and unable to transfer those powers. And in fact, this is something that somewhat routinely happens during presidential medical procedures. Vice President Cheney twice assumed the official powers of the presidency while George W. Bush was sedated for colonoscopies in his presidency. So this is actually something that we have a very good system for protecting. The challenge is we don't actually have any system for replacing a vice president if a vice president is made incapacitated by illness. KEILAR: OK. So explain that because, right now and such good news, that is the vice president and his wife, Karen Pence, have tested negative. The issue we just heard from doctors is you can't say, OK, I'm totally free and clear because there's this issue of the incubation period. And in order to ensure that he is negative -- is actually negative, he'll have to continue to be tested and have those negative tests during this entire potential incubation period. What happens if, beyond the vice president -- say, where does the speaker come in? What is the next step? GRAFF: Yes. So this is where you get into very fraught and very problematic scenarios. The first is the 25th Amendment in the Constitution gives no procedure for replacing or cutting out of the line of succession an incapacitated vice president. And so what Vice President Cheney did -- he has a long history of heart problems coming into that office in 2001 -- he left with his chief legal counsel a signed letter of resignation that he intended to be given to President Bush in the event that something happened and he was taken ill or incapacitated. Because that's -- and so, you know, there's an interesting question now, has Mike Pence left a similar letter with someone in the White House in the event that something happens to him right now? KEILAR: Then who would replace -- who would replace him? GRAFF: This is where you get into the second level of problems, which is the normal presidential line of succession holds that the -- it would go to the speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi. There's an open question among constitutional and presidential scholars whether that line of succession is actually constitutional. And whether Secretary of State Mike Pompeo would be able to challenge that assumption power by the legislative branch in the event that something happens and the speaker of the House is called into the presidency. So this becomes a very challenging question, very quickly, if something happens to the vice president. KEILAR: All right. Garrett, thank you so much for walking us through all that. Garrett Graff. And as the president confronts his coronavirus diagnosis, there's new reaction from the Trump campaign. We'll have that coming up.

Lawmakers on Capitol Hill Respond to Trump, Senator Lee Testing Positive

Der Gesetzgeber auf dem Capitol Hill reagiert auf Trump, Senator Lee positiv getestet

国会山议员回应特朗普，李参议员核酸检测呈阳性

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN HOST: All right. Thank you for watching us for this installment of Cuomo Prime Time. We'll be back on at midnight Eastern for a special live late-night edition of Prime Time until 2 in the morning and then tomorrow night we'll be on Saturday night from 10 p.m. to 12. But right now, the star of the night. CNN Tonight with D. Lemon picking up the coverage. DON LEMON, CNN HOST: What a historic day, huh, for 24 hours. CUOMO: Just when you think you've seen everything. My regret is of course the president didn't have to be in this situation. LEMON: Yes. Well, the American people didn't either, the American people. CUOMO: That's a very good point. LEMON: Yes. CUOMO: This is not just him getting sick. This affects everybody. LEMON: Yes. CUOMO: We only have one president. LEMON: And that's what we're going to talk about. We'll talk about the president and the American people. This is all about what the American people need to know. Thank you, Chris. I'll see you soon. And I'll be watching at midnight. This is CNN Tonight. I'm Don Lemon. Here's our breaking news. At this hour, the President of the United States is in the hospital, he's at Walter Reed Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, this after revealing less than 24 hours. You were all sitting here with me going through this. Less than 24 hours ago that he and the first lady of the United States had tested positive for the coronavirus. So, people around the country stunned, stunned by the news. Perhaps you are one of the people who are stunned by the news. It's still a shock even though it has been clear from the start of all this from this pandemic that the president has been putting himself. He's been putting his staff and many others in this country at grave risk. With his blatant disregard for the public health measures that keep people healthy and save lives. Like so many other people in this country have been tonight. The President of the United States is in the hospital. His family is worried, his friends and his contacts and his supporters. They don't know if they're going to get sick too. They're scared. And they are concerned. And like so many other coronavirus cases in the country, his could have been avoided. Let's hope the president improves. We know he has the best care available. Here's what we do know, though. Around 6.15 p.m. this evening, after not seeing or hearing from him all day, the president walked out of the White House wearing a mask, waving to reporters as he headed towards Marine One for the trip to the hospital, his trip to the hospital. He did not take questions from reporters. And then moments later, the president chopper lifted off from the South Lawn for the roughly 10 to 15-minute flight to Walter Reed. Yet, all this is happening. We have an almost total lack of transparency in this country right now from the White House. There's so much mystery. What's going on? We have not heard from the White House doctor today. We have not gotten factual explanations of the president's symptoms. If it hadn't been for Hope Hicks' positive test results becoming public, we've never have known about her case or the president's tests. How can Americans, how can you out there tonight - think about this, how can you know the truth about this president and his condition? What are the president's symptoms? Officially. Have we heard anything? No. Why is he at Walter Reed? When did he first begin to get sick, to feel sick? Who made the decisions to continue to go on the road to a fundraiser in New Jersey without masks or social distancing when they knew the president had been exposed to a known possible case? Why do they treat the president with an experimental medication? Why? What is going on? Don't you deserve to know as Americans? Honestly. Again, we hope the president improves. But he is the person that America elected to be the president. And that comes with certain things like knowing the president's medical condition as a public servant. These are critical questions that must be answered. That should have been answered already. But all we have heard from the White House since the president's departure is this video message that was released on Twitter. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I want to thank everybody for the tremendous support. I'm going to Walter Reed hospital. I think I'm doing well. But we're going to make sure that things work out. The first lady is doing very well. So, thank you very much. I appreciate it. I will never forget it. Thank you. LEMON: Also, tonight the White House stating clearly that there won't be a transfer of power to the Vice President, Mike Pence, that the president, quote, "is in charge." The vice president and the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi who are in line, the line of succession should the need ever arise, both testing negative for the virus today. But are there plans if God forbid, God forbid his condition worsens? Are there plans? Don't you deserve to know that as Americans? Again, we have so many questions tonight. This comes as we are learning that two Republican Senators Mike Lee of Utah and Thom Tillis of North Carolina have tested positive for the COVID-19. Both of them attended the White House Rose Garden ceremony last weekend where President Trump nominated Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. We need to get so many questions answered for you the American people. Let's turn right away to CNN's White House respondents, plural, Jeremy Diamond and Kaitlan Collins, and also, our very own chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta. So, doctor, good evening to everyone. Doctor, I'm going to start with you. So tonight, we are learning the president has had trouble breathing. He's had a fever since this morning, fatigue. Again, we -- it would be great to get some official notice from the White House. The routine updates so that the American people can find out how their president is doing. But what is all this say about his condition and the care that he might need? SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, I had heard about the fever and the fatigue, in particular. I did not know specifically about the difficulty breathing. That would add another level of concern obviously. You know, it was one of the things like throughout the day we heard different things. First, we heard he was doing well then there were mild symptoms, though we did hear about the fever and the fatigue. We also heard that he was getting this very experimental although promising monoclonal antibody therapy. I think as the day sort of progressed, Don, the level of concern was increasing. He had the positive diagnosis obviously. But I think what we were hearing from people inside was that the symptoms were becoming concerning. And that he would be better suited for him to be at the hospital. In part, out of an abundance of caution, a term that's often used. But also, for legitimate reasons that, you know, if he needs care to take care of these things you have advanced imaging, you have an ICU close by, you have multiple specialists all in the hospital if he needs something that's the place to be. So, I think that was the right call but it came through an evolution of thinking it seem like because concern was rising throughout the day. LEMON: But at first again, Sanjay, you know, not to just harp on this. But first we heard out of abundance of caution. And then I'm not sure if it was you or someone else who said I'm not -- I don't know about that abundance of caution thing. This is, it appears to be a bit more serious than just an abundance of caution for them to have to go to Walter Reed. And, you know, to be in a place where they have all of the equipment that you said. And the experimental treatment is called Regeneron, right, that he is receiving. We know that he is inclined to take experimental treatments, right? GUPTA: Right. LEMON: Remember hydroxychloroquine and so on. Why would they give him this experimental drug to the President of the United States when no one else is getting it? GUPTA: Yes. So, on the first point, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, I think it wasn't I don't think it's just abundance of caution. You know, this is a significant move to move the President of the United States to Walter Reed. So, you know, I think there was clearly, to me, increasing levels of concern. Maybe the concern existed all day and they were unfurling these details at us. But these are bread crumbs that we get every now and then. We always have to sort of interpret these things. But I think that the idea that he's obviously was able to walk to the chopper and walk off the chopper. But they're worried that even minor symptoms can turn major quickly. Remember Boris Johnson. LEMON: Right. GUPTA: Went into the hospital with minor symptoms out of an abundance of caution and end up spending three days in the intensive care unit. So that's the sort of thing you want to avoid. Doing a rapid sort of evac to the hospital to go straight to the intensive care unit is a big deal. So that's the sort of caution part of it. As far as the therapy, this Regeneron is the company, monoclonal antibody therapy is the actual experimental therapy here. It's very early. It doesn't have emergency use authorization, Don. It is something that has shown a lot of promise. And I think there's a lot of excitement around it. But basically you are giving these proteins, these antibodies to help fight the infection. When you get infected or if get a vaccine the goal is your body makes antibodies. The antibodies can help the virus the next time it sees it. In this case you're sort of giving some of the antibodies directly to the person to help them be able to overwhelm the virus. Again, we don't have a lot of data to know that it works. But what do I take out of that? There was concern. LEMON: Yes. GUPTA: There was enough concern to say even though this isn't approved or even authorized we want to obtain this under compassionate use and give it to the President of the United States. LEMON: Aren't people given antibodies? Because I know I had a friend of my family who died recently. And I talked about it here on CNN. She, according to her mother, was given antibodies and they said it didn't work for her. One day she was great and the next day she wouldn't be. And then one day she would be great. And they kept trying to give her these antibodies. So, is that -- is that different than Regeneron? Are there -- because as I understand not any -- not everyone -- or not anybody else but the president is getting this sort of treatment. GUPTA: Right. Right. Sorry to hear about your friend, Don. The -- there's convalescent plasma and that is basically plasma from survivors and the hope there is that the plasma contains enough antibodies to have some sort of impact. And you'll remember, Don, that did get emergency use authorization several weeks ago. LEMON: Got it. GUPTA: The data that was presented at that point by the FDA was exaggerated data as it turns out. But it still has this emergency use authorization. This is similar. But in this case, they take antibodies that are considered sort of the gold standard antibodies, a couple of them and they just reproduce those over and over again. And they are giving that as part of a cocktail now to somebody who is dealing with the disease. Some people make the argument that you should give this earlier in the course of the disease so that you're building up the antibodies to these proteins to help fight the infection. But again, it's really early. I mean, the president didn't get it as part of the clinical trial. The trial so far and the data around the trials are 275 people from Regeneron. So, you know, we want to see more data on that ultimately. And hopefully it's very promising. So hopefully it works. But the president got it under this compassionate use thing. LEMON: Got it. GUPTA: Which typically is for patients who were in the hospital, no other options, you know, may not survive. That's typically when you think of compassionate use. But that was the same sort of model that allowed him to get the medication today. LEMON: I want to get our other folks in, doctor. But I just have to ask you, are you hearing -- I know you have sources at the White House and at the task force, are you hearing anything from the White House and the task force that we need to know about? GUPTA: Surprisingly, no. You know, and the task force the quote that they gave me was that we are in the dark on this which I just thought was really surprising. I mean, you have the president. He's dealing with COVID-19, a novel disease. You happen to have some of the world's best experts on this novel disease that are part of your own task force. LEMON: Yes. GUPTA: I mean, maybe that's their opinions on this just to get, you know, more minds working given the president has this. But they're in the dark, they're watching television and reading the newspapers to get, to find out what's going on. LEMON: So, here's the thing, Kaitlan. So, you know, I'm old enough to remember when Ronald Reagan being shot. I remember I was driving home from school. I was a freshman in high school. And I'm in my little VW Beetle and telling people out of the window the president has been shot. Nobody believed me. But what I remember since I was always interested in the news business, is that there was always a briefing. Today at this time the president was shot. He was hit here. This is what they're doing at the hospital. These are the concerns for the president, and on and on, when other presidents have had treatment. When George H.W. Bush when he was on overseas trip and he choked on something. They gave updates on the president. So there has been none of that. No official this is what Hope Hicks a top aide to the president tested positive for the coronavirus today. And precaution this is what we're doing. in abundance of precaution this is what we're doing. The president is going to, you know, go into quarantine. She's going to isolate. Nothing. What is going on here? KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: No. LEMON: What is happening? COLLINS: It's deeply concerning, Don, that the president was taken to the hospital today, he is on experimental drugs, as Sanjay just laid out. And we did not get a briefing from his doctor. The only thing we got were two memos from Dr. Sean Conley detailing the president's diagnosis with coronavirus and then detailing that cocktail, the antibody cocktail that he took today. Other than that, there has not been a chance to pose questions to him to ask about the president's current state. These things that we have been hearing not from official White House channels but through back channels, through sources which is that the president has a fever. These other conditions about what kind of state his health is in right now, we're not learning that from the White House officially. We're learning it through sources. And so that's why it raised so many concerns that the president's doctor has not come out and briefed reporters yet. And he is at the hospital of course. Now we do know that Dr. Conley, his physician did travel with the president to Walter Reed. But the White House has been not forthcoming at best to say what they have been saying about the president. And instead, we've heard from the chief of staff, the press secretary and the president's economic adviser on his health. And of course, they all said that the president was experiencing mild symptoms, had a moderate case and was in good spirits. Clearly, Don, that's not the case. Because he's in the hospital, he's going to be there for the next several days. They had enough of a level of concern to feel like he needed to go to the hospital. So, it does seem to be the situation where they should be more forthcoming with all of the details behind the judgment before between them sending the president to the hospital. But they have not done that yet. LEMON: Jeremy, I want to bring you in now. Until we saw President Trump get on Marine One in the South Lawn. We hadn't seen the president in nearly 24 hours. He had not been tweeting which is unusual. It's all unusual. And maybe speaks to the seriousness of what is going on. What do you know? What can you tell us at this hour? JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, there's no question that seeing the president be off Twitter for most of the day is rarely happens. Right? And so, you have to wonder what his condition is. Is he resting? You know, what is happening behind the scenes? And as Kaitlan said, you know, while the White House has provided these two memos from the White House physician with very few details. And we've only heard from political officials. There's a lot of questions that remain unanswered. I mean, I spoke with a White House official earlier tonight who said that they do expect the White House to be providing regular updates on the president's condition. But it's not clear what form exactly that is going to take. And whether that will simply be more memos from the White House physician or if we'll actually get a chance to ask those doctors some questions about the situation with the president. What's clear, Don, is that there has been a change. I mean, you think back to the nearly 18 hours that took place between when the president announced that he had tested positive. That he and the first lady had tested positive for the coronavirus. In which the White House physician, Dr. Sean Conley said that the president was doing well and that he expected he would remain at the White House for the duration of his convalescence. And then you fast forward to 18 hours later and the President of the United States is arriving here at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center to be admitted as a patient not just for a couple of tests a few hours here at the hospital but for a few days is what the White House is saying. So clearly, in that 18-hour period there are a number of things that must have changed in a significant way because it's not just the president's condition. You also have to keep in mind the president's psychology and the way that he likes to portray himself and he doesn't like to appear weak. So, it's got to take a lot for the President of the United States. This president, in particular, to agree to deal with all the optics of him going to the hospital and being admitted for several days, you know, because of the potential upside that he could get from having that kind of treatment. LEMON: So, here's what I want to say before. There is -- there's video, Sanjay, and we saw this Rose Garden event that happened earlier in the week. And Thom Tillis said that he -- Republican Senator Thom Tillis tested positive for coronavirus. And now we have some breaking news. OK? And we don't know if there is where it happened. But this person was certainly there with them and no social distancing. No mask. So, tonight, this is from Kellyanne Conway. This is a breaking Tonight, I tested for -- positive for the COVID-19. My symptoms are mild. Light cough. And I'm feeling fine. I have begun a quarantine process in consultation with physicians. As always, my heart is with everyone affected by this global pandemic. I was watching the video of the Rose Garden event, Dr. Gupta. And I saw all of those -- there she is, there is Kellyanne Conway. All those people sitting there. No mask. No social distancing. And now we have several people members of our government, if not elected officials, advisers to the president all sitting there including the attorney general of the United States, the chief of staff. Tom tils who tested positive. He is wearing a mask, by the way, though. And they and Kellyanne Conway now the breaking news has tested positive for COVID-19. What is going on, Sanjay? GUPTA: Well, I mean, first of all, I feel for her, you know, and all the people who are newly diagnosed. I mean, just having talked to so many people who have received that diagnosis. It's kind of, you know, it's jarring for people, you know because it suddenly makes it very real. And, you know statistically, chances are people are going to recover and be OK. But it is very jarring. But I think, Don, to your point, I think we're starting to be able to describe this as a potential super- spreader event that occurred. I mean, it was outside which is beneficial. But as you mentioned, people unmasked, within six feet, closely clustered for long periods of time. So, there are a lot of people who had close contact with each other there. We don't know if there was a person that was a particular super-spreader. Or there are several people there. But it's sounding more and more like that's where many of these people maybe had that first exposure. No, you know, we know the president the contact tracing is the key then. right? Can you find, can you trace people and hopefully find their contacts and quarantine them? It can be really hard. Because people if they didn't get tested, they don't know. They could have been spreading for a long time. With the president, if he develops symptoms on Thursday, it's usually a few days before you develop symptoms where you are the most contagious. During the time, you know, the president traveled to five states. He was in Washington. He came in contact with lots and lots of people. It becomes really challenging. But that event that you're looking at is increasingly sounding like a super-spreader event. We haven't said that very often, Don, because it's just so hard to do contact tracing in this country when you have 40,000 new infections a day. It's a laborious task to do contact tracing. But this is -- this one is becoming clearer. LEMON: Kaitlan, I want to bring you back in. Because I forget exactly how you characterize it last night, but you said, man, considering the tight quarters at the White House, how many of these people had been in debate prep with the president in close quarters. They had been to the events at the White House. There were so many people who had been -- who had, you know, been around the president, been around Hope Hicks and so on and Kellyanne Conway. I think that you thought that this where -- this is where this might be heading considering that not many people wear masks. It seems to be frowned upon in this administration. COLLINS: That's exactly right. It is a tone that has been set from the top. And I've talked with so many White House officials who are midlevel or lower level. They're not cabinet secretaries or not the senior staffers. And sometimes when they go in meetings, Don, they don't put a mask on because their boss -- bosses are not wearing a mask. So, if the head of your agency that you work for and you go into a meeting with them and their cabinet secretary isn't wearing a mask, you're not likely going to wear one because they feel uncomfortable. It is a real situation that played out inside the West Wing and that's what's led to this atmosphere where you see people going into the Rose Garden like they did last Saturday. And you see Kellyanne Conway there. And of course, she no longer works in the White House. But there was a moment, and I remember as I was watching this ceremony last Saturday watching the Supreme Court nominee get picked, Kellyanne Conway stops and speaks with the attorney general very close for several moments, maybe several minutes, and neither of them are wearing a mask. And they are not obviously distanced. They are speaking very close. And I remember watching it and thinking this is remarkable. Because these are two people who are clearly not very close, they clearly are not in the same household and they are having this intimate conversation so close to one another in this outdoor event. And we are seeing the repercussions of what happened. And it looks like it's coming from this event. Of course, that's going to be up to the epidemiologist to decide. But also keep in mind, Kellyanne Conway wasn't just at that event on Saturday. She also participated in the president's debate prep. And we saw her going to the White House on two occasions with Chris Christie to help the president as he got ready for Tuesday in Cleveland. And during those debate prep sessions they weren't extremely long, but they were long enough where it was a sustained period of contact. They were all in the same room. And they were not wearing masks, Don. So, of course, it just raises questions about if they had just taken these simple steps that so many medical experts have recommended -- LEMON: Right on. COLLINS: -- how different could this be. LEMON: Yes, you're right on. Listen, Jeremy, in your reporting I think you talked about moments -- because I was getting the information on Kellyanne Conway right here -- about how everyone you saw, you know, the White House staff on the lawn and whoever is traveling with the president, I think the Secret Service now, the members of the military who are on Marine One with him all wearing masks now. What has changed between now and yesterday? I know the president is sick. But the science has not changed. For eight to nine months people have been preaching about social distancing, physical distancing, wearing a mask, and so on and so forth. And again, not to harp on this, but it is now, I think it's confirmed. Absolutely. The White House is a coronavirus hot spot and of their own making. DIAMOND: Yes. And what's unfortunate, Don, is that the science is so clear on all of this on all of these preventive measures that you can take. And it's been clear on it for months now. I mean, the White House has been disregarding, flouting, whatever you want to say, all of the CDC guidelines that are coming from this very same -- this is the same federal government, Don, and the CDC guidelines say social distance, wear a mask. Don't gather with, you know, groups of more than ten. And all of these things are things that the president is flouting whether he is holding rallies with thousands of supporters packed closely together, or whether he is having an event on the South Lawn of the White House to announce a Supreme Court pick with 150 of his supporters and allies and aides all packed closely together. Listen, I was on the South Lawn of the White House when the president had that event with the Supreme Court pick. And I remember, Don, watching all of these people flow in. Some of them were actually wearing masks as they arrived. I mean, I think about some of the president's allies. A former White House aide Mercedes Schlapp, and Matt Schlapp, the chairman of the American Conservative Union. They both arrived with masks. As soon as they arrived with the rest of the crowd which was not wearing masks, they took their mask off. And then they are in these, you know, tightly packed together, all, you know, Mike Lee, Senator Mike Lee who has tested positive was hugging people at this event. I mean, it's just the kind of common-sense thing that we in the media and most of the experts in the government have been talking about and trying to hammer home for months and months and months. And to think that the White House has flouted that, and yet now it seems it takes the President of the United States actually testing positive for this for the message to actually get through to some of these White House officials. But Don, what I think about now is all of the people who have attended this Trump rallies. The thousands of people who have attended these Trump rallies who don't have the same national profile as a Kellyanne Conway or as a Hope Hicks, -- LEMON: Or the access to medical care, the best medical care in the world and the access to all of that, to testing. DIAMOND: And yet you have to think, if people are catching this at the Supreme Court event, potentially, with 150 people there, what's happening when the president is gathering thousands of people at rallies across the country which he has been doing for the last several weeks. LEMON: Dr. Gupta, they use the justification that these things are -- they use that these events were held outdoors as a justification that, it's going to be fine. But this event was held outdoors. And again, we don't know. But the chances are that all of these folks were there. And they're all testing positive. But one -- being outdoors is not 100 percent safe. It won't keep you 100 percent from getting the coronavirus. GUPTA: No. It won't, especially when you starting to hear the scenarios that Jeremy and Kaitlan are describing. People are very close together. The virus is a very contagious virus. Unmasked, very close together, talking like that, that is how the virus can jump. the virus becomes very happy in those situations moving from host to host. That's what it's trying to do. Outside is better than inside, no question. How much better? We've looked at a bunch of studies, they say maybe -- maybe 18-fold better. It's 18-time -- the viral transmission is 18-fold less outside versus inside but closely quartered, unmasked, and long duration. You know, greater than 10, 15 minutes. And you know sitting next to somebody. The virus is moving. If we could only see it, right, Don? You can't see this thing. But can you imagine if you could actually see the virus, you know, sort of tentacled by six-foot long strings and everybody would see it moving from person to person fairly easily whether you're inside or you're outside. LEMON: Thank you all. I appreciate it. Don't go far. Because, you know, there's always breaking news, it seems lately. So, thank you. I'll see you guys all soon. There's a breaking news. Kellyanne Conway, the former top aide, very close aide to the President of the United States has now -- is now tweeting that she has test a -- has tested positive for the COVID-19 virus. She is among a number of people in the administration at the White House, starting with Hope Hicks that we learned about yesterday, of course, the president and the first lady. And now we're hearing about Kellyanne Conway. I know this may sound strange to some, considering I have to report on her. That's my job to be critical. But I do know Kellyanne Conway personally and I wish her and her family the very best and speediest of recoveries. But we are getting more information throughout the night, the state of the president's health. We need some official information though from the administration. The American people deserve that. The president is now at Walter Reed Medical Center where he is expected to remain for a few days. Stay with us.

President Trump Treated at Walter Reed; Media Not Getting Much Information on Trump; V.P. Pence and House Speaker Pelosi on Standby; Last Tweet by POTUS Prior to Flight to Walter Reed; Two Senators Tested Positive for COVID-19; Kellyanne Conway Tweeted She's Positive.

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BRIAN STELTER, CNN CHIEF MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: And if he had been diagnosed on Wednesday, this is a massive scandal and also it causes even more concerns about his health, if he has been sick now for this period of time. This did not seem like a real medical news conference, right? It seemed like a White House press conference, the sort of political press conference we are accustomed to, where there are more questions than answers and lots of no comments and that is very troubling. The public should see a medical press conference where every detail is shared. At one point Dr. Conley was asked how high was the president's fever when he had a fever and the answer was I'd rather not give any specific numbers. It doesn't matter what he'd rather do. The American people need to have those numbers. The American people need to be given all this information as transparently and accurately as possible so I thought this was a disturbing press conference by the president's medical team. FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN HOST: Yes. STELTER: That ended up with a lot of questions and we need to continue to show skepticism because here's the big thing Fred, when Trump was on for Sean Hannity Thursday night, he acted like this was no big deal. He downplayed Hope Hicks' diagnosis. He said he was going to get a test and he would see what happens. If in fact he knew he had been diagnosed on Wednesday then he was lying to the public again on Thursday night. WHITFIELD: And we know the downplaying, I mean he admitted on tape, right? About what - that was his strategy, downplaying this and now potentially we're learning just from that short press conference from his doctor now bringing into question was he also you know being deceitful you know with the public about not really revealing his situation. All right, also with this political analyst Mark Preston. Mark, while the team may have thought this was going to bring some real clarity and some relief, it has instead brought other potentially disturbing revelations. MARK PRESTON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well Fred, you know just about an hour ago, we were sitting and talking about how this press conference was going to unfold and I think we all kind of came to the conclusion that we were looking for as much information as possible but the expectation was that we were not going to get it. And that's exactly what happened today, which does bring a lot of concern I think in cause for wondering what is the White House really doing, how is the president doing right now and why is Vice President Pence continuing on with his campaigning activities specifically later on when he's going to go in a huge rally, later this week. I mean it just seems so ridiculous at this point. WHITFIELD: And you know Mark, it then brings in a question of intent. I mean if the doctor is saying 72 hours and you know we all learned at 1 AM. I mean, I'm talking you know the public, not just the press, everybody because the president tweeted out you know 1 a.m. that he had tested positive and the doctor would then reveal that perhaps it was much earlier than that, the potential exposure, the exposure not even potential, the exposure that the president you know had on so many other people to know how dangerous you know this disease is, this virus is. Now you're bringing into question the intent. What would be the president's motivation of not sharing with people the truth of his positive test? PRESTON: Well, it certainly Fred, it's his modus operandi, right? That's how he has acted throughout his own presidency. It seems like how has acted throughout his whole business career. He hasn't been very open. In fact when he gets called on the carpet for it, when he's actually told what you just said is not true, he's very dismissive of it and you would have noted this, just a moment ago, he downplays it, downplays it, downplays it, downplays it because if you don't think about it, if you don't look at it, if you don't discuss it, guess what, in his mind it doesn't occur. Well guess what, it has occurred and that's where we are right now unfortunately. WHITFIELD: White House Correspondent Jeremy Diamond also with us. Jeremy, what are you learning from your reporting? JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well listen Fredericka, if this timeline of 72:00 hours that Dr. Conley laid out that the president 72:00 hours ago was diagnosed with coronavirus, that adds a whole new layer, takes the president's irresponsibility as far as this virus is concerned to a whole new level. Already the president has been irresponsible by holding these rallies with thousands of people but now this adds a dimension that if he was indeed diagnosed with coronavirus 72:00 hours ago, that is midday Wednesday Fredricka and I want to take you through all of the things that the president did since midday Wednesday because it is stunning. The president at 2:38 PM on Wednesday emerged from the Oval office went to gathered press. He spoke with reporters without a mask. 3:05 PM, the president departed for Minnesota. 5:00 PM, the president arrives in Minneapolis where he attended a fundraiser and then subsequently attended a rally in Duluth, Minnesota, later that evening. Again the president flying on Airforce One with staff including Hope Hicks who we understand was quarantined on the flight back home because she was starting to experience symptoms. And then you look at Thursday. Thursday, the president leaves the White House at 1:14 PM in the afternoon, heads to his Golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey where I'm told that he gathered not only addressed 250 donors outside but before that he also met with about 18 donors in an indoor round table. One of those people I'm told who attended was the one of the sons of Stanley Chera, the president's friend who died of coronavirus last spring. His son was attending that round table with the president. I'm told that nobody was wearing masks in that room and that was when the president was already starting to experience some symptoms of coronavirus. We know that because people who I talked to said that the president appeared to be tired and in retrospect once they heard that he had been diagnosed with coronavirus, it was clear that all of that was kind of linking up. But this timeline of 72:00 hours ago, Fredricka, if that is true, that is a stunning revelation and it is the height of irresponsibility for the president to have continued to go out and engage with supporters, travel on a plane with staffers all while having coronavirus. WHITFIELD: Yes, all right, Jeremy, hold on. This just in. Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has tested positive for coronavirus. He was in contact with President Trump and helped the president with debate preparations, just moments ago. We're talking about how he revealed on Friday, shortly after the world heard the president had tested positive, that there are about five or six people in prep debate prep along with the Governor, Governor Chris Christie just prior to debate night last Tuesday. Christie tweeting this. I just received word that I am positive for COVID-19. "I want to thank all of my friends and colleagues who have reached out to ask how I was feeling in the last day or two. I will be receiving medical attention today and will keep the necessary folks apprised of my condition." Dr. Sanjay Gupta, all right, now the list is growing of people who have tested positive that have been in close contact with the president. DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes I mean it's become very clear that the White House itself is a hot spot, a hot bed of viral activity. So many people at these events and we know Chris Christie was at that event but also the - he did the debate prep you know and there was other people at that a debate prep as well. I mean this is going to be a real medical investigation. You know frankly, it could have been avoided by basic public health measures. I think everyone realizes that by now but now it's going to turn into a significant spreading event where not only people there but now their families and other people they may have come in contact with are going to need to be evaluated, possibly tested, probably quarantined. You can get a sense of this just even with this relatively small population of people so this is now a microcosm, I think of what's happening in so many places around the country. This could have been prevented or at least greatly mitigated. You know it is a contagious virus but what we're seeing here did not need to happen. I do want to back to that timeline for a second if I could. WHITFIELD: That's what I was going to ask you to follow up on that. Yes. Go ahead. GUPTA: So Wednesday - Wednesday morning now, you know Wednesday late morning is when, if you pay attention to what the doctor said, that's when the diagnosis came in for the president. 48:00 hours ago so that will be Thursday morning is when he received this monoclonal antibody therapy. Again, this is according to his doctors so that was before we even knew as Kaitlan pointed out that he had coronavirus in order to get that therapy, that would have been a compassionate use application. Meaning it wasn't just sitting there, let's try this. It would have had to have been ordered. You know it wasn't - it's not even something that's emergency use authorized in this country right now. I'm sure there were several discussions around this so if you start to think about it, diagnosed Wednesday, automatically say hey, let's try this experimental therapy basically to see if we can prevent him from getting any symptoms sounds like. And sounds like he got it on Thursday morning, didn't reveal the diagnosis until Thursday night and still became symptomatic enough anyway on Friday to warrant this visit to the hospital. So this is this is very, very different picture than what was told to us and concerning and I was really, really disappointed the doctor would not answer the most basic questions about how sick the president had been and really didn't answer about how sick the president is now in terms of any potential lung damage or other problems. WHITFIELD: Yes, so and Sanjay, there are few issues with the whole timeline. That that you just described and usually you would have to order you know that dose, even if it's compassionate use but there's also then the timeline of when your symptoms you know rise to the surface, which differs from the timeline of when you may have been exposed and now we're talking about Chris Christie. As far as we know at least the weekend you know prior to the debate, that was one of his last close contacts with the president that he would - now you know, you talked earlier about when you're most contagious, not necessarily when you show symptoms but just ahead of that. GUPTA: That's right. I mean this is critical now you know. If a lot of people became exposed what, six days ago now, seven days ago and they're starting to test positive now which would make sense, you know somewhere around five - six - seven days is when people would start to test positive, maybe a little bit earlier, a little bit later and if people who have symptoms-- First of all, you can spread the virus even if you never have symptoms. That's in fact a significant source of spread in this country. 40 percent of the spread probably coming from people who never have symptoms of which now sounds like there are many of them coming from this one event but if you do develop symptoms to your point Fred, it's the couple days usually before you develop those symptoms where you are the most contagious. So again, if you talk about Hope Hicks, she became symptomatic of what we're told on Wednesday, it would be Tuesday, Monday, possibly where she was most symptomatic. For the president if he truly became symptomatic on Friday although we don't - again, we are not sure now because the timeline doesn't make sense but that would mean-- WHITFIELD: Yes, we didn't get that kind of clarity. GUPTA: - Wednesday, Tuesday - correct. Wednesday, Tuesday is when he may have been most contagious. This is concerning Fred. I mean, I know everyone said it but think about what's happening here now. You have someone who knew they had the virus. They were trying to use an experimental therapy, still visiting with people, you know potentially spreading the virus even more. WHITFIELD: Yes, all right, very concerning, very frightening. Sanjay, thanks so much. Jeremy Diamond is also with us outside of Walter Reed so this timeline is just so disturbing you know because there - it promotes more questions than answers. When did the president really know you know and when did the people in his orbit know and what kind of treatment is he getting now so what are you learning about this timeline? DIAMOND: There's no question, this news conference by Dr. Sean Conley and the other doctors at Walter Reed who are treating the president has only raised more questions than it has answered and to add to that now, after you heard Dr. Conley out there really you know trying to provide an optimistic assessment here of the president's health saying that he is doing better, he doesn't have a fever, all of these - all of these things to kind of put a rosy picture out about where the president's health is headed. We now have a statement from a source familiar with the president's health. This was given to the pool reporters who were at Walter Reed, both the print reporters and the TV pool reporters which suggests typically that this is an official who was coming forward to provide some information that they want out there. And this is what the statement says Fredericka, the president's vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48:00 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We are still not on a clear path to a full recovery. I want to repeat that last part, we are still not on a clear path to a full recovery. This is not at all what we were hearing from Dr. Sean Conley during this news conference. That is not the prognosis that he was - that he was putting out there and this suggests also that what we've been hearing from White House officials over the last 24 hours which is that the president was taken to the hospital essentially out of an abundance of caution more so than because of the development of his symptoms and the worsening of his symptoms. This suggests that he was brought to the hospital because he was the facing some pretty significant and severe symptoms of this virus, saying that the president vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning so and then particularly when you add to the fact that Dr. Conley refused to say what the president's fever was, you know he wouldn't say how high it went and he refused to provide some other details of his vitals. He kind of danced around the question of whether or not the president had received supplemental oxygen at any point. Instead saying that the president is not right now on supplemental oxygen. Really adds a whole new layer of concern to what we're learning here about the president's health. WHITFIELD: All right, also adding you know he has been fever free for 24 hours. Jeremy, thanks so much. Back to the White House and Kaitlyn Collins, what are you learning Kaitlan. KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Fred, it is tunning that the statement that Jeremy just read has no name on it. It is attributed to just a White House official, I believe, a source familiar with the president's health is how they described it. And they gave a much more concerned assessment of the president's current status than what the doctor just offered publicly when he was talking about the president not having a fever, not being on oxygen while abating these other questions and now immediately after that you know, the only officials there are the president's doctor and the White House Chief of Staff from what we say of who exited the building for that brief press conference that we just got. And now we're getting this anonymous statement from the pool that offers a much more concerning assessment about the president's health by saying he is not on a clear path to a full recovery. That is being said about the President of the United States and it should have a White House official name on it or the doctor's name on it, whoever provided the statement to reporters. So we're going to work on getting that cleared up because if you're going to say something like that, something that serious about the current health status of the President of the United States, it certainly should be on the record and so the questions going forward are going to be, how long is the president going to be in the hospital of course. And they talked about Remdesivir, I know Sanjay was talking about it and they said it's a five-day treatment but they said he started it 48:00 hours ago so it does make you wonder if they do only expect him to be in Walter Reed for three more hours. But it was notable also to hear the president's doctors say he is a patient at Walter Reed. Some White House officials had tried to frame it in another circumstance. It was just out of an abundance of caution but he was saying, no, he is a patient here. He is under our care and this is the current status of him. So we're looking into this statement Fred, and we'll keep you updated on when we actually get someone who will put their name on saying that the president is not a clear path to recovery at this moment. WHITFIELD: Yes, and how did you, Kaitlan receive that statement? COLLINS: So it came from the pool so this is an event where the pool goes and if you're not familiar with the White House for viewers at home, we have a limited amount of reporters who travel with the president for every event so we don't have to have hundreds of reporters go and they send disk batches back to the rest of us. So for example, we have someone who is there representing every TV network, every outlet. CNN, Fox news, NBC, everybody and so then they sent back a statement and so this is a statement they got but it was described as attributed to a source familiar with the president's health, not with a name on it even though the doctor had just given a press conference where he was taking questions. So we will try to get that on the record but what it does show is that despite this rosy assessment that we got about oxygen and about the president no longer having a fever which is obviously good news, they do still seem to be concerned about what is actually going on here and it doesn't seem as if the president has made progress since he left the White House, a little under 24 hours ago. WHITFIELD: All right, this becomes even more alarming, doesn't it? Kaitlan, thank you so much. Gloria Borger, OK so confusing and even more so now of this statement, you know anonymous, a person familiar with the president's health, this only muddies the water, especially since you know Dr. Conley was saying is in exceptionally good spirits. GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Right, well, the water got muddied by the doctor. Now it's not even muddied even more and before we started all of this, I think we started out by saying what we needed to do was clarify the timeline. WHITFIELD: Right. BORGER: If Dr. Conley was speaking the truth, we don't know the answer, we know that there is now a 36 hour discrepancy and one question that I have, if he was diagnosed the morning after the debate, why didn't anybody reach out to the Biden people and say you know what, we have a problem here and you guys need to know this. The Biden folks say that they learned about the president's health like everybody else did. Nobody was reached out so you haven't reached out to so not only do you have that, not only do you have a president endangering the lives of supporters, of his staff, etcetera, etcetera but you have a doctor today, who essentially was spinning it seems to me the president's medical condition. He gave political answers. He refused as Sanjay noted earlier, we were talking about earlier, to talk about exactly when the president was or was not on oxygen. Now we have somebody on background saying well you know, the president wasn't doing so well whereas you had the doctors saying yes, he's doing great. He felt like he could - he could walk out of here. I mean, it all sort of came to fruition to me when the doctor said well, you have a president who is 74, male and "slightly overweight." We know that is not true so now in an effort to sort of clarify things, I think, what they've done is spin and open a Pandora's box of more questions about the timeline of this and about the actual health of the President of the United States. You know in an effort to kind of spin, sometimes what happens in politics is that you raise more questions than you answer and I say politics because what we heard today was a political description, I now believe, rather than a medical description of the actual health of the President of the United States and so now we're going to have to go back and look at this timeline and raise more questions and if I were in the Biden camp, I'd be furious about why they weren't told about this if the timeline that was given by the doctor is actually accurate. WHITFIELD: Yes, and these inconsistencies are now also painting a picture of negligence and neglect if people were left in the dark. BORGER: And incompetence perhaps, yes. WHITFIELD: All right Gloria, thank you so much. We're going to talk some more. We're going to take a short break for now and we'll be right back.

President's Doctor: Trump Has Been Fever-Free For 24 Hours; Questions Arise About Timeline Of Trump's Illness; Former NJ Governor Chris Christie Tests Positive For COVID-19; Trump Not On Oxygen Now, WH Doctor Will Not Say He Never Was.

Arzt des Präsidenten: Trump ist seit 24 Stunden fieberfrei; Es stellen sich Fragen zur Zeitleiste von Trumps Krankheit; Der ehemalige Gouverneur von New Jersey, Chris Christie, wurde positiv auf COVID-19 getestet; Trump nicht auf Sauerstoff jetzt, WH Doktor wird nicht sagen, dass er es nie war.

总统的医生：特朗普已经24小时没有发烧了；关于特朗普患病时间的问题出现了；前新泽西州长2019克里斯1克里斯蒂冠状病毒呈阳性；特朗普现在没有吸氧，但医生病没有否则他此前吸氧。

CUOMO: What a difference a week makes, right? A week ago, about now, the Republicans were having a parade to their perfidy. Yay, we didn't get Merrick Garland in, but now we're going to change our principles because we can play to advantage. Yay. And they got Amy Coney Barrett, the nomination, the Rose Garden. Now look where you are. They're faced with some uncertainty after three Republican senators tested positive at their gloat parade. What does that mean for the nomination? Phil Mattingly, on the Hill with the latest. The operative day is what, October 19th? What are they thinking? That does this clears up by then? Does it clear up the calculus in terms of the politics involved or is it just a waiting game? PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's a little bit of all three. And I'll extend what you were saying, Chris, a little bit further a week ago, this nomination, this nominee was on cruise control. They knew they had the votes, they knew they can move it before the election. They knew they could get this done in a matter of weeks. That is still the intent. Senate majority Mitch McConnell saying they're still full steam ahead on this nomination. But now things are very, very fluid. Two of those three Republican senators sit on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Obviously that committee is scheduled to start hearings on Amy Coney Barrett on October 12th. That's nine days from now. And the expectation is that they will still do that. It's still planned, it's still scheduled. And even though senators have tested positive, they can attend those hearings virtually. But the big question right now, now that Senate majority leader has delayed Senate action until October 19th is when can those senators return? They have to be physically present, Chris, in order to get Amy Coney Barrett's nomination out of the committee, and then once it gets out of the committee, Senate majority Mitch McConnell has a very, very narrow margin to work with when it comes to actually getting the votes to confirm Amy Coney Barrett. Two Republican senators have already said they would not go along with it. He can only afford to lose one more. That means he needs the senators healthy. And no more positive, Chris. CUOMO: As long as it's just about the quarantine period. They're find as long as it doesn't shift politics. What are we learning more and more all the time, Phil? The only lesson, we keep relearning and it doesn't sink in completely, at least for me. You never know what will happen next. Phil Mattingly, thank you for helping us, especially on a Saturday night. Appreciate it. We'll be right back.

Senate GOP's Third Positive COVID-19 Case Threatening Quick Amy Coney Barrett's Confirmation.

Dritter positiver COVID-19-Fall der Republikaner des Senats, der die schnelle Bestätigung von Amy Coney Barrett bedroht.

参议院共和党第三个新冠阳性病例迫使艾米·科尼·巴雷特进行确认。

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I want to thank everybody for the tremendous support. I think I'm doing very well. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This is not a matter of politics. It's a bracey reminder to all of us: we have to take this virus seriously. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: President dealing with mild symptoms, received an experimental, Regeneron, antibody cocktail treatment on Friday. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is a patient who was at risk, and they felt that they wanted to tilt the odds a little bit more in his favor by potentially using our drug. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is important to show our allies and our adversaries around the world that this President is still in charge. But it's also why this White House has to give us some more information. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The most secure American in this country gets this virus. None of us is safe. ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY WEEKEND with Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul. VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour, a look at the White House there. Good morning to you. We have viewers from around the world with us this hour. Let's now -- let's to get to Walter Reed Medical Center. I believe we have a shot there as well as where President Trump spent the night after being hospitalized with COVID- 19. CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: And we're learning more this morning about the President's condition and his treatment. Sources tell us, the White House officials have serious concerns about the President's health right now, and we'll learn he's having some trouble breathing this morning and is fatigued. BLACKWELL: Overnight, the President's team said that he's being treated with Remdesivir, that's a drug that's shown to shorten the amount of time the patient is hospitalized with coronavirus. The President was also given an experimental antibody cocktail from the drug maker, Regeneron. Listen, we've got every angle of the breaking news covered. We've got our reporters and correspondents standing by to bring you the latest information this morning. PAUL: For more on the President's condition, first of all, we want to get to CNN Boris Sanchez. He's outside Walter Reed Medical Center. Boris, what have you learned this morning thus far? BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Victor and Christi. From what we understand, according to the White House physician President Trump is doing well. He's in good spirits, but he's experiencing some shortness of breath related to the congestion, mild symptom of the coronavirus. Further, the President is experiencing a low-grade fever as well, as he noted, fatigue and exhaustion. The White House making clear that the President's trip here to Walter Reed Medical Center is out of an abundance of caution. Despite that, what we've heard privately from sources close to the president is that he was spooked by this diagnosis and the rapid onset of symptoms. The president actually filmed the message on Twitter yesterday, shortly before being transported to Walter Reed. I want to play it for you now, listen. TRUMP: I want to thank everybody for the tremendous support. I'm moving to Walter Reed Hospital. I think I'm doing very well. But we're going to make sure that things work out. The First Lady is doing very well. So, thank you very much. I appreciate it. I will never forget it. Thank you. SANCHEZ: You hear the President; they're giving an update on First Lady Melania Trump as well saying that she is doing fine. From what we understand, she's experienced a mild cough, nothing really compared to what the President is feeling. Notably, he also sent out a tweet late last night, very different tone than what we typically hear from President Trump when he's up late tweeting, take a look at this. He writes: "Going well, I think. Thank you to all LOVE!!!," in all caps. Notably, we are just one month from Election Day and the President is not only in Walter Reed Medical Center being observed by doctors, but he's essentially having to answer for comments that he's made throughout this campaign about coronavirus and the United States rounding the corner and being close to the end of it. And further, what he told Bob Woodward back in April that he was not concerned, not really concerned about catching coronavirus. The Trump campaign of course, suspending or postponing all events that the President had scheduled for the next few days. We're told that aides close to the president are very concerned about this because of how rapidly this virus can become something potentially lethal. We saw what happened with the UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, just days after testing positive for COVID-19. He went from having mild symptoms to being in the intensive care unit. So, obviously, a lot of concern over President Trump right now at Walter Reed Medical Center. A lot of eyes on the president right now. Victor and Christi. PAUL: No doubt. Boris Sanchez, we appreciate it. Thank you. BLACKWELL: So, the White House has shared little, too little information about the decision to move the President to Walter Reed. The White House said the decision was made out of an abundance of caution but according to the Washington Post, this is their reporting: The White House wanted to move the president while he could still walk to Marine One on his own. PAUL: And there are still questions about how many people who have spent time with the President have contracted COVID-19. BLACKWELL: Ryan Nobles is up on that angle. Let's bring them in now overnight. Two more people in the president circle are working there at the White House tested positive for the virus. Go through the list. It's growing. RYAN NOBLES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It certainly is Victor and Christi. And it seems that list grows by the hour. A long list of folks that have been near the president over the past couple of days who have now been diagnosed with a positive case of coronavirus. Take a look at this. Hope Hicks, she, of course, the original aide -- she was the first to be diagnosed with coronavirus. Two Senators, Thom Tillis of North Carolina, Mike Lee of Utah, the Reverend John Jenkins from Notre Dame who was at that event on Saturday where Amy Coney Barrett was announced as president's a nominee to the Supreme Court, Ronna McDaniel, the RNC Chairwoman, of course the First Lady and unnamed White House staffer, three journalists, and Kellyanne Conway, a former Trump Aide and Bill Stepien, the Trump Campaign Manager. And there are two events that we are looking at very closely. First was that event with a large group of people where the President announced Amy Coney Barrett as a Supreme Court nominee, a number of people now subsequently diagnosed with coronavirus, and then there was the President's debate prep. There was a small number of people that were with the president not wearing masks. Many of them have been diagnosed with coronavirus. Bill Stepien, Kellyanne Conway among them, there are others like Chris Christie, the former Governor of New Jersey, who was also part of that debate prep. He took a test yesterday and is expected to get those results sometime today. Now, the business of the government continues. There will be no invoking of the 25th amendment, at least not at this point. That means President Trump is still in charge, but Vice President Mike Pence will take on a bigger role. Today, he's expected to head up a meeting of the Coronavirus Task Force. This is a job that he's had from the very beginning, but the White House was putting less and less of a focus on the Coronavirus Task Force. They were meeting less frequently as the White House and this administration were attempting to move on from the coronavirus -- something that's impossible to do right now. And then, there's the political angle of all of this. As Boris mentioned, the President no longer expected to be holding those big huge rallies where his supporters were packed in, shoulder to shoulder, many not wearing masks as he is of course, being hospitalized right now. But there is a debate scheduled for Wednesday. That's the second-tier debate, debate between the two vice presidential candidates, Mike Pence and Kamala Harris. That is expected to take place in Salt Lake City. They are making accommodations, the two candidates will be further away from each other on the debate stage, going from seven feet to 12 feet. So, this already having real world impacts not just on the business of government, but on the campaign as well. BLACKWELL: And I'm sure that throughout the day, we're going to hear more about the impacts as adjustments will have to be made. Ryan Nobles for us there at the White House. Thanks so much. Let's talk about these two GOP senators that were on that graphic that Ryan just brought us. They have tested positive for coronavirus, and maybe this could have some impact on the confirmation of Supreme Court Nominee, Amy Coney Barrett. PAUL: Yes, CNN Congressional Correspondent, Sunlen Serfaty is with us from Washington now with more on that. So, that is supposed to happen October 12th. Are we getting any word as to whether they believe a postponement will be an order? SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Christi, Republicans are saying it's still full steam ahead on her nomination as scheduled. The Republican chairman of the committee, Senator Lindsey Graham, he says that the committee hearing will start on October 12th, as was scheduled, he says that those Republican senators: Senators Tillis, Senator Mike Lee, who are both sick with COVID. Right now, both Republicans on that committee, he says that they can participate remotely even cast their vote in the committee by proxy. But this potentially becomes a much, much larger issue for Republicans if and likely when her nomination moves from the committee to the full floor of the U.S. Senate. Now, that is where senators actually have to show up, actually have to cast their vote in person. So, of course, the health of these two Republican senators very much an issue because Republicans already have really no margin error; they need their votes in the full U.S. floor of the Senate when and when her nomination moves over to the floor vote. Now, Democrats are already calling for her hearings to be delayed. The Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer says that it's irresponsible and dangerous to move forward. But again, all of these shines such a bright spotlight than on the fact that Capitol Hill does not have protocols in place to deal with an outbreak of COVID. They have no contact tracing, they have no temperature checks, no, no protocols in place, no testing, so this is something that members in recent months have been angry for about and have exactly more anxiety folding in given these new diagnoses of these senators, Christi. PAUL: All right. Sunlen Serfaty, appreciate the update. Thank you so much. I want to go to Morgan Chalfant, she's a reporter with The Hill, and she was on Air Force One with the President, Tuesday, going into the debate. Thank you so much for being with us, Morgan. We appreciate seeing you. I understand that you are in self-quarantine right now. First of all, how are you? Are you OK? MORGAN CHALFANT, REPORTER, THE HILL: Yes, I'm good. I got tested on Thursday, actually, for another reason. I was supposed to take a trip this weekend that I had to cancel once I found out all the news, but I'm waiting awaiting those results, but I feel fine. PAUL: You feel fine. OK. I'm glad to hear it. So, so let's talk about, first of all this news this morning that President Trump's Campaign Manager, Bill Stepien has tested positive. You obviously saw a lot of the people now that we're hearing who have tested positive here, we know Kelly Conway, a couple of Republican Senators Mike Lee, Thom Tillis. Did you see them on Tuesday and help us understand the proximity with which they were together? CHALFANT: So, I didn't see Kellyanne Conway or any of the senators on Tuesday, but I did see Bill Stepien. He was on Air Force One. And I actually saw him getting out of the van with Hope Hicks, who obviously was diagnosed on Thursday. We learned that news on Thursday night. So, he you know, now is positive. So, they were in interacting pretty closely together. Most of the Trump administration officials, campaign aides were not wearing masks, I didn't see any mask usage on Air Force One or at the debate. And you know, they're, they're close together. And obviously, you know, on a plane, people are pretty close together. PAUL: So, take us back to Air Force One with you on Tuesday. Now, knowing what you know, now, other than the fact that you didn't see a lot of mask wearing, is there any particular moment that stands out to you? CHALFANT: Not particularly. So, normally, on these trips, you'll get visits from administration officials, we actually didn't get many during this trip, the only person that came back and spoke to us was Mark Meadows shortly before we departed. He obviously has tested negative up to this point, but there were no visits from the president, which does happen sometimes on these trips. PAUL: So, I understand that you were going to request a press credential for the Rose Garden event, and you changed your mind at the last minute. Why did you change your mind? CHALFANT: Well, I was considering it, because I was covering the event. I think that sometimes there's just a risk factor with all of these events, most of the White House events that are occurring of large numbers of people, obviously, we saw the Republican National Convention event at the White House have, you know, 2000 people not wearing masks very close together. So, I think the risk is considered and also sometimes it's easier to do my job when you can live stream from your house rather than actually be at the event. PAUL: So, when you initially heard that President Trump tested positive, what was your reaction knowing that you were close to many of the people in his circle over the last week? CHALFANT: I was surprised and concerned. I think that I was I was concerned, particularly when I heard about Hope Hicks' diagnosis, because I knew that she was on the Air Force One flight. What does give me a bit of comfort is that we weren't really close to people. A lot of the administration officials were pretty far away from us during that trip. And I took precautions, I wear a mask, and we were all tested that day. But obviously, all of these situations show that the testing strategy itself is not infallible. PAUL: So, do you anticipate that there may be a modification of messaging after this when it comes to COVID? Because we know that that's a -- that is something that the President hasn't necessarily wanted to focus on so much in this campaign, but it's certainly been the central narrative for Joe Biden. CHALFANT: Right, and this, you know, really makes it even more of a central narrative that the President now has coronavirus. So, it's going to be what we're talking about for several weeks. It's completely affecting the campaign even more than it has before. I'm not sure how they're going to be messaging this going forward, but obviously, there's a lot of focus on the President's condition. And in the coming days, you know, what he's going to do, how his schedule is going to be adjusted and also how this will affect the coming debates with Joe Biden. PAUL: Morgan Chalfant, I am, I am wishing you a negative test. I hope that you continue to feel well. Thank you so much for sharing with us and be well. CHALFANT: Thanks so much. PAUL: Absolutely. BLACKWELL: Morgan talks about how this is impacting the campaign. Well, the Biden campaign is changing its strategy since the President's diagnosis. We'll tell you how Biden is reacting and what the campaign is changing based on what's coming out of the White House. PAUL: Also, how does the President's diagnosis affect the country's national security? There's one expert calling this a code red for the U.S. government. We'll talk to her.

White House Officials Have Serious Concerns About Trump's Health; GOP Senators Tillis And Lee Test Positive For COVID-19, Both Attended Rose Garden Event Last Weekend; Biden Campaign Is Taking Down All Negative Ads Following Trump's COVID Diagnosis; Regeneron CEO On Trump Taking Antibody Cocktail After COVID-19 Diagnosis; With Trump Hospitalized, More COVID-19 Cases Emerge In White House And Campaign

Beamte des Weißen Hauses haben ernsthafte Bedenken bezüglich Trumps Gesundheit; GOP-Senatoren Tillis und Lee wurden positiv auf COVID-19 getestet, beide nahmen letztes Wochenende an einer Veranstaltung im Rosengarten teil; Biden-Kampagne entfernt alle negativen Anzeigen nach Trumps COVID-Diagnose; Regeneron CEO über Trump Einnahme von Antikörpercocktail nach COVID-19-Diagnose; Mit Trumps Krankenhausaufenthalt treten mehr COVID-19-Fälle im Weißen Haus und in der Kampagne auf

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ANA CABRERA, CNN HOST: They again gave us a rosy view of his very serious battle with COVID-19. In the words of CNN's chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, they are hiding things. A couple of hours ago, for the second straight day, the doctors treating President Trump walked out of Walter Reed Medical Center as a team to update reporters. Someone not medically trained could come away from it believing the president is hardly sick at all. DR. SEAN CONLEY, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S MEDICAL TEAM: The patient continues to improve. He has remained without fever since Friday morning. His vital signs are stable. DR. BRIAN GARIBALDI, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S MEDICAL TEAM: Today he feels well. He's been up and around. Our plan today is for have him to eat and drink, be up out of bed as much as possible, to be mobile. CONLEY: Would like to reiterate how pleased we all are with the president's recovery. CABRERA: He's feeling great, up and around. He could be discharged tomorrow. Now, the president's doctors did say he battled a fever, that his oxygen levels did fall at least two times and that he did spend time being administered supplemental oxygen. A detail they danced around in yesterday's medical briefing. This is the U.S. president. We need serious and accurate information, whether it's what we are hoping to hear or not, because not only Americans but people around the world, friendly and otherwise, will fill in the blanks if there are holes in what we are being told. Every medical doctor that advises me and this network believes that there is more to the president's condition than what his caregivers are saying out loud. They believe it because not what they're being told. Stay right there, you'll hear directly from our doctors in just a moment. But first, let's go to our White House correspondent Jeremy Diamond, who's outside Walter Reed Medical Center right now. And, Jeremy, this is very frustrating the way reporters are having to drag information out of these doctors, information that the world really needs right now. This is not saving face or a matter of personal pride right now. There are real world consequences to being kept in the dark about the president of the United States' medical condition. JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes. No question. I mean, look at the situation we're in right now. The president of the United States, a 74-year-old man who's in a high-risk category, is in the hospital with an infectious disease that has killed more than 209,000 people in the United States in just the last seven months. And the doctor, who is not only treating him but briefing the public on his condition, is facing a credibility crisis, and that is because of the changes in the statements, the withholding of information that we have seen from Dr. Sean Conley. Today we heard Dr. Sean Conley -- sorry, yesterday, we heard Dr. Sean Conley dance around these questions about the president's oxygen, whether or not he had received supplemental oxygen. And then today we saw him finally admit after the press had reported this that, yes, indeed, the president had received supplemental oxygen on Friday and most likely as well yesterday, during the day on Saturday as well. And while we heard more information from Dr. Conley today, he revealed that the president had a worryingly high fever on Friday. That his oxygen levels had dipped below 94 percent twice now. Dr. Sean Conley also defended this optimistic assessment that he offered of the president's condition just yesterday. Listen. CONLEY: I was trying to reflect the upbeat attitude that the team, the president, the course of illness has had. I didn't want to give any -- any information that might steer the course of illness in another direction. And in doing so, you know, it came off that we were trying to hide something, which wasn't necessarily true. And so here I have it. He is -- the fact of the matter is that he's doing really well. DIAMOND: Now there's no indication that withholding truthful information from the public would steer the president's prognosis one way or the other. But what it does do, withholding that information, it makes it that much harder to believe Dr. Conley when he says that the president is doing very well and that he is on the mend as he tried to explain today. Now while we got more information from Dr. Conley, we also heard him kind of, you know, withhold the facts some more today. And that was on the question of the president's lung scans and x-rays. He only would say that there were some expected findings in those scans as it relates to the president's lung function but he wouldn't offer any information. And then he also continued to skirt questions about the president's oxygen level. Listen. UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: -- ask if his oxygen level ever dipped below 90? CONLEY: We don't have any recordings here of that. That's right. UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: At the White House or here, anything below 90? Just to follow up on her question. CONLEY: No. It was below 94 percent. It wasn't -- it wasn't down into the low 80s or anything. No. DIAMOND: And so you hear Dr. Conley there saying that it was below 94 percent but he wouldn't answer whether it went below 90 percent, only saying that it wasn't in the low 80s. So again, Ana, we are in a point where the doctor who is revealing this information, he is facing a crisis of credibility and he is continuing of course to withhold information about the president's condition, leaving us with only more questions than answers -- Ana. CABRERA: And Jeremy, we can hear a lot of ruckus going on behind you. What is happening there outside Walter Reed Medical Center right now? DIAMOND: Yes, we are seeing dozens of the president's supporters who have staked out outside of Walter Reed Medical Center to show their support for the president. There are cars that are coming by and honking to also show their support. Some of it very loud, as you can hear at one point during my previous answer. This is being organized in part by the Republican Party of Maryland. So it is an effort being run by that party. We are also seeing some counter protesters. And we've also seen frankly some signs of fringe support for the president as well that we should note. We've seen some QAnon supporters pop out with signs like that. We also saw yesterday Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys, that violent extremist group that the president of course, in the debate last week, you know, it seems like forever ago, when the president said stand back and stand by. Of course, the president since then has said that he disavows that group -- Ana. CABRERA: OK. Jeremy Diamond at Walter Reed Medical Center. Thank you. Let's bring in our doctors to talk more about the president's condition, what we know and what we don't know. Dr. Leana Wen and Jonathan Reiner are colleagues at George Washington University Hospital. Dr. Wen is an emergency physician. Dr. Reiner is the director of the cardiac catherization lab, he's also the long-time cardiologist to Vice President Dick Cheney. Dr. Reiner, you called yesterday's briefing a fiasco. What did you think of today's? DR. JONATHAN REINER, DIRECTOR, CARDIAC CATHERIZATION LAB, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL: It was even worse. As a physician, as someone who has given these briefings in the past, and as an American I was really offended by it. The reason to brief the public on the health of the president is to really remove all doubts about his status, reassure the public when you can, and simply tell the truth. When we gave these briefings, we only told the truth, but we told the complete truth. And I think what we're seeing now are both errors of commission, intentionally misleading the public, and errors of omission, intentionally leaving key data elements out, like we heard today that the president had been started on dexamethasone on Friday. And that was not told to the public yesterday. CABRERA: That's right. REINER: So this is really -- this is a fiasco. CABRERA: Let's pick through some of what we did learn today and then we can fill in some of the blanks as well or what some of the blanks may mean. Dr. Conley's first words were, good morning, everyone, since we last spoke the president has continued to improve. And then here's what he revealed during this briefing, that the president is now being given this steroid typically reserved for severely ill coronavirus patients. That his x-rays has revealed, quote, "expected findings" of someone with coronavirus, although he didn't detail what that is. And he says the president has needed supplemental oxygen, possibly as recently as yesterday. Again, yesterday he was dancing around whether the president had needed supplemental oxygen at all. And today he verified that, in fact, the president had supplemental oxygen on Friday. And that his oxygen level has dropped below 94. And it's dropped into concerning territory at least twice since the president got ill, although Dr. Conley wouldn't say just how low it had gone. So, Dr. Wen, do these updates sound like improvement? DR. LEANA WEN, EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY: They are very concerning to me, Ana. And I agree with Dr. Reiner, we're having to play detective here and trying to figure out what pieces are missing and what to do with the information that we have. So, let's take the oxygen level. The fact that there were two drops in the oxygen level maybe to the 80s, as what it's sounding like based on Dr. Conley's answers, that's concerning in and of itself because it indicates that we don't have a stable situation here. And one of those drops in oxygen must have been concerning enough because that was what prompted the transfer to the hospital. That means this is a patient who needs careful monitoring. Then you have dexamethasone. Dexamethasone has been shown in multiple randomized controlled trials to reduce the death rate, the mortality rate in patients who are severely or critically ill. And so, it's not given to patients with mild illness. And then you've got the chest x-ray finding. Exactly as you said, if the chest x-ray were normal, you would say it's normal. If you say that it's expected, one wonders what it's expected of? Are we having -- is there pneumonia here? How severe is that pneumonia? CABRERA: What do you think, Dr. Reiner, when you hear that the findings of the president's lung x-rays are, quote, "expected"? What do you expect to find in the lungs of a COVID patient? REINER: Well, let's remember that the president has been treated with what may be -- for the first time in the history of the planet, he may be the only patient to have received the monoclonal antibodies from Regeneron, the Remdesivir anti-viral therapy and dexamethasone. This kind of triple therapy is unprecedented. So either it was given to an increasingly critically ill president or it was given because the medical staff was starting to panic. One key piece of data that we need to understand, Ana, is when was the patient last tested negative? You would not expect -- the White House has told us over and over again for the last several months that the reason no one wears a mask is that the president is tested every single day. That's why he doesn't need to wear a mask. I don't believe that. I want to know when the president last tested negative because he's presenting like somebody who has been positive for over a week. It would be extraordinarily unlikely for someone to have multiple negative tests, then test positive on Thursday and on Friday essentially need triple experimental therapy. So, we need to know when the president last tested negative. It's also important for the people who attended the debate on Tuesday night, was the president negative before he came there? Did he come knowing that he was positive? Or has he not been tested in days? We need to know that. But he's presenting like somebody who has been positive for many days. CABRERA: I want to go back through what we know the president has been given as far as these medications, especially those very serious ones. The experimental antibody cocktail, Remdesivir, and a steroid called dexamethasone. Keep in mind, this is the president, so we know doctors are going to do whatever they can to help and they're going to throw the whole kitchen sink at him, I guess. But, Dr. Wen, what kind of side effects could these serious medications have? WEN: So every medication does have potential side effects. And I think the key is something that Dr. Reiner said which is that, to my knowledge to anyone's knowledge, no one with COVID-19 or anyone full stop in the world has gotten this particular combination of medications. And that's because this Regeneron monoclonal antibody cocktail is something that is experimental only. It has not been approved even for emergency use by the FDA. And so the president got a dose of this medication. Then he also received Remdesivir and dexamethasone. These are standard medications for the use in critically ill patients. Remdesivir for patients who are at least on supplemental oxygen. It's an antiviral medication that reduces the length of hospital stay. Then you have dexamethasone, that does reduce the mortality rate by up to a third, it's been shown in several studies. Also in severely or critically ill patients. And so all of these carry some side effects. Remdesivir, for example, is an IV infusion that may cause damage to the liver. And this is another reason why when I hear speculation that the president could be leaving as early as tomorrow really makes me wonder. He's still on Remdesivir. He needs to be monitored for these side effects. Not to mention, he has had to date what looks like an unstable clinical course. And to Dr. Reiner's point, the time that a patient is the most -- the most concerning period for a patient with COVID-19 is often day seven to 10. And so if the president really got diagnosed with COVID on Thursday and he's getting discharged on Monday, that's day five. That doesn't make sense. You would want to keep at least days seven to 10. CABRERA: And his doctors had mentioned yesterday that they are concerned about what he called another phase, which is an inflammatory phase. So as far as the blood work, Dr. Conley says, quote, "Today, our continued monitoring of his cardiac, liver and kidney function demonstrates normal findings or improving findings." Dr. Reiner, what does that tell you? REINER: You know, I feel like the old days of the Soviet Union when there was all this terminology trying to tease out meanings of these words. It shouldn't have to be this way. What it means is that some of his labs were abnormal and showing some improvement. We need a full accounting. And the kind of labs that can be abnormal, for instance, are liver function abnormalities, either as a consequence of the COVID-19 infection itself. The Remdesivir itself can cause elevations in the liver -- abnormalities in the liver function. These are not national secrets. They should not be considered national secrets. And what I'd like to see actually I think if I were advising the White House, and I'm not, what I would advise now is now would be a good time to bring in an outside group of specialists from the premiere institutions in the United States to augment the very fine team. And I have nothing but the highest respect for the Walter Reed team. I've trained some of the cardiologists who are on staff there now. They're my friends and colleagues. They are the best in the world. But to add some confidence to the public, it might be good to have some outside experts from outside institutions augment the team, so the public knows that what they're hearing is medicine, not spin. CABRERA: Dr. Jonathan Reiner and Dr. Leana Wen, thank you both so much for the time and for all that good information. I appreciate the discussion. A source tells CNN that the president is now furious with his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, for contradicting the rosy picture painted by Trump's physician. Much more on that just ahead. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

No Clear Picture Of President's Health As Questions Loom After Medical Team Briefing; President's Health

Kein klares Bild von der Gesundheit des Präsidenten, da nach dem Briefing des medizinischen Teams Fragen auftauchen; Gesundheit des Präsidenten

医疗小组做简要报告后，问题出现了，总统健康状况仍不明朗；总统的健康。

KING: The president wanted to make something clear Tuesday night. TRUMP: I wear masks when needed. When needed I wear masks. CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS HOST: Ok. Let me ask -- TRUMP: I don't have -- I don't wear masks like him. Every time you see him he's got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from him and he shows up with the biggest mask I've ever seen. KING: Five days later, the president is in the hospital with coronavirus. Joe Biden and his mask are still out campaigning. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: It's not about being a tough guy. It's about doing your part. Wearing a mask is not only going to protect you but it also protects those around you -- your mom, your dad, your brother, your sister, husband, wife, neighbor, co-worker. Don't just do it for yourself. Do it for the people you love. The people you work with. KING: It is unclear now if the two remaining presidential debates on the schedule will happen. Mike Pence and Kamala Harris are scheduled to debate this week seated 12 feet apart instead of 7 because of the White House coronavirus outbreak. KING: With us this Sunday to discuss this moment, David Axelrod, who, of course, was the top strategist of the Obama/Biden campaigns in 2008 and 2012. David, it is just a fascinating unchartered waters moment in this presidential campaign. Joe Biden mocked for weeks and months by his rival, the president of the United States, still out campaigning while the president is hospitalized. The Biden campaign says he will continue to do that. They say he will continue to do that carefully. And they also says he will be tested more regularly and they will be transparent about the results. What does this moment mean? DAVID AXELROD, CNN HOST: Well, of course, we don't know. But one thing we know about this race is that there have been seismic events blowing up all around it and the structure of the race hasn't changed really. Biden has held a very steady lead and this probably won't hurt it. I mean, that is such an awkward moment you played of the president mocking Biden and, you know, the president desperately wanted to get this virus in the rearview mirror. And now the virus has put him in the hospital and it put -- that has put the virus right back in the headlines. So you have to feel like this is a blow to his candidacy, not to mention the fact that he is off the trail. And -- go ahead, John. KING: No. He is off the trail. Joe Biden has to pick -- my question is the tone right now. The President of the United States is hospitalized. All Americans should be concerned about their president when he is hospitalized. Joe Biden says he will continue to campaign but they did pull down negative ads and put up more positive ads instead, so there's no slashing ads against the president on television. But at a union town hall yesterday, Joe Biden, to your point, he wants the president's mismanagement of the pandemic to be issue number one and he continued to make that case yesterday. Listen. BIDEN: For so long, Washington left our states, cities and transit agencies to bid against one another. If that's not the president's responsibility, what the hell -- what the heck is his responsibility? It's not my fault. I have no responsibility. Go to your mayor, your governor, your employer. It's unconscionable. KING: You would not say take your foot off that gas pedal, would you? Would you keep that issue up? Or is there a taste question with the president in the hospital? AXELROD: I think there is a line you have to walk. I don't think Biden crossed it there particularly because the president made a point of tweeting out last night that he is feeling well and, you know, he continues to put himself out there. But I do think you have to be careful. And you know, one thing about Biden -- and you know him well, John -- is that, you know, he is sensitive to these things. He does have a sense of empathy. He apparently, asked the campaign to pull down their negative ads. It was the right move. But I don't think you want to take your foot off the pedal on the virus itself. You know, one of the reasons we are in the jam we are in is because the president has been so reckless about the advice he has given the American people and the example that he has set. And you know, sadly, now he has set an example about why those guidelines that his government have issued are so important -- wear a mask, socially distance. I think it's fair for Biden to raise these points. KING: So take us inside the Biden inner circle if you will from your own experience -- two presidential campaigns. None like this. As you mentioned this has been a year from the very beginning. We had impeachment, we have the pandemic, and we have had so many unpredictable events. Now you have the president hospitalized heading into the final four weeks of the campaign. What is it like in that room when you're making decisions? Should we travel? How often do we get tested? How much do we release the results of that? If they can't debate in person should there be an online, some sort of a zoom debate? What is the conversation? AXELROD: Well, first of all, I think they did make the right decisions pulling down the ads. For some reason, they were hesitant early in the day yesterday to say they would release all their tests. Of course, they should release all theirs tests. One of the issues here is that the president, you know, there is still some murkiness about the timing of all of that with him. So be transparent and forthright on that issue. But yes, I would -- I think that they are right to continue to travel. They made the right decision. Just watch your tone. And make yourself available for these debates. The next debate was going to be a town hall debate which really favored Biden. And it's unlikely that will happen now. Maybe it will. But, you know, they are in the driver's seat right now. and I think the object here is to be steady as you go and no need to speed. They have got a big advantage on cash which is quite remarkable, given the history of presidential politics that a Democratic challenger should be so well-funded in this race and they can press that advantage on television. They are going to do it with positive ads. And I'm sure that, you know, there were deliberations about this but they landed in the right place. KING: And we will watch in the sure to be unpredictable four weeks ahead. David Axelrod, grateful for your time and important insights this Sunday. And that's it for us on INSIDE POLITICS. Hope you can catch us weekdays as well. We're here at 11:00 a.m. and noon Eastern. Don't go anywhere, a very busy "STATE OF THE UNION WITH JAKE TAPPER" just ahead. His guests include the Ohio Governor Mike DeWine, Biden campaign senior adviser, Symone Sanders, the Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, former Trump deputy campaign chairman back 2016, Rick Gates. Thanks again for sharing your Sunday. Have a good day and stay safe.

Biden Resumes Campaigning In Key States After Negative Test.

Biden nimmt die Kampagne in Schlüsselstaaten nach negativem Test wieder auf

拜登新冠检测阴性，随后继续在关键州竞选。

MATT VISER, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, THE WASHINGTON POST: If you're a Biden supporter or even internally in the Biden campaign, you want a couple of more negative results for Joe Biden. JOHN KING, CNN HOST: Matt Viser grateful for your insights. And, again, former vice president saying he would debate if the doctor say it's OK, Matt. Thank you. VISER: Thanks, John. KING: And hello to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm John King in Washington. Thank you for sharing a very important breaking news day with us. Another member of the president's inner circle now testing positive for the coronavirus, this time, it's the Press Secretary, Kayleigh McEnany. The COVID positive list in the West Wing so far, the president, the first lady, the head of the Trump campaign, the head of the Republican Party, the President's personal assistant and three top presidential confidants, Hope Hicks, Kellyanne Conway, and Chris Christie. Plus two Republican senators who attended that packed White House Supreme Court rollout last weekend. Regardless of the positive cases, the president agitating to leave the hospital and get back to the White House. He'll be talking with his doctors later today about a possible discharge, which could put him back in the White House as early as tonight. Now, doctors familiar with COVID-19 say that would seem an early release for a 74-year-old patient we know who is getting two experimental treatments, at least twice has needed oxygen to help him breathe, and is taking a steroid generally reserved for serious COVID cases. The President insisted the Secret Service taken for this joyride yesterday so that he could wave to supporters outside Walter Reed Medical Center. Secret Service agents locked in a bulletproof, hermetically sealed SUV with a COVID patient. Dr. Anthony Fauci tells CNN today he's not involved in the president's treatment, but he says the president's doctors are excellent. The president's Sunday drive four or five days into his symptoms, in other words, way too soon. DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: The general guidelines are, when is it safe for a person to go out from the time they get symptoms. It's probably around 10 days from the onset of symptoms you usually have no virus and in the studies that have been done, those people generally are not at all effective to other people. KING: The White House Press Secretary, as we noted, Kayleigh McEnany, now the latest in the President's inner circle to test positive for COVID-19. Let's get straight to CNN's Kaitlan Collins, live at the White House. It is a stunning Kaitlan, the building behind you is really a coronavirus hotspot. KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we are now seeing how many people have tested positive and the list is continuing to grow. And John, well, we obviously wish Kayleigh McEnany well and that she has a speedy recovery from coronavirus. This is a sign of how the White House thinks that the rules do not apply to them. Kayleigh McEnany was told on Thursday that Hope Hicks had tested positive and that she was someone who was considered to have direct contact with Hope Hicks. However, she did not quarantine, as is recommended, if you've come into sustained contact with someone who's tested positive. And instead she relied on negative tests that she took every single day and continued to come to work, as she did on Friday, when she gaggled with reporters outside without a mask and as she did yesterday, as she gaggled with reporters very briefly, probably for about two minutes, but still, once again, taking her mask off as she was approaching the microphone. And it shows this level of recklessness inside the White House where she is relying on having these negative tests, as you've seen several other officials as well, despite the fact that she did come into contact with someone that we now know, is positive - actually to people, because she was also obviously around President Trump as well and Hope Hicks. So it just goes to show how the White House has responded to this when everyone else, if you had come into contact with someone who had tested positive and you were told you were a direct contact, you would go into quarantine and she chose not to do that as have several other officials as well. So it's not just raising concerns about how we're seeing how prolific this outbreak is inside the West Wing and in the president's inner circle, but also how they're responding to it and how they are not doing what medical experts have advised. And instead, they are not isolating themselves when someone tests positive. They continue to come to work because Kayleigh McEnany said she was considered an essential worker and now she's going to have to quarantine and work remotely for the next two weeks. This also raises questions about other people who have relied on negative tests. The Chief of Staff probably is the first one that comes to mind and his staffer did just say that he has tested negative once again today. But he is someone who has been at Walter Reed with the president. Yesterday the President did a briefing with his national security adviser and defense secretary virtually. But a picture from the White House shows President Trump receiving the briefing not wearing a mask and it does say in the caption that Mark Meadows was in the room. He says he's was not pictured, but he was in the room as well, and we presume he was wearing a mask. But the president, who we know has coronavirus, wasn't. So it just raises so many questions about how the White House has responded to this and how they have been irresponsible at best in the way that they have taken these positive cases. And instead of quarantining, like they were told to do, or like they were advised to do by the CDC guidelines, they instead believe that a negative test grants them immunity from coronavirus. And what we are seeing with Kayleigh McEnany testing positive shows that it doesn't. Now there are a few other officials, John, I just want to note that were pulled off of the trip on Thursday. That was when Hope Hicks was testing positive. McEnany maintains she did not know that Hope Hicks had tested positive when she briefed reporters in the briefing room without a mask on Thursday. But we were told that she was pulled off the trip to New Jersey that day. So there was an inkling that something was going on, yet she continued to hold that briefing. And then we're told she was informed later on that day that Hope Hicks had tested positive. KING: It's - it is, as you put it, as reckless behavior. Kaitlan Collins, live for us at the White House. Appreciate it. Let's continue the conversation now. Joining me our Chief Political Correspondent Dana Bash; and Dr. Howard Koh, Professor at Harvard and Assistant Secretary of Health in the Obama administration. Dr. Koh, I just want to start with you. If you are the White House doctor right now, or if you were working in one of the agencies and the chief of staff called you and said, "What should we do? The president wants to be released from the hospital. He wants to come back to the White House that is clearly a coronavirus cluster point at the moment" When you see the mounting cases, the president, the first lady, now the press secretary, others who have been in the White House including three presidential confidants, what must be done at the white house right now? DR. HOWARD KOH, PROFESSOR, HARVARD T. H. CHAN SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH: Well, John, there's so many issues here at the White House and the White House is actually a microcosm over the last several days of what's happened around the country over many months. The CDC guidelines are so clear. If a person is diagnosed, they need to be isolated and get the care and treatment they need and deserved. And then people who are exposed should be quarantined for 14 days. That was not followed at the White House. And then in the meantime, with respect to the president's care, there's so many questions about the status of his condition, how severe his disease is. One example, John is that he received dexamethasone, which is reserved only for people with severe COVID. So that alone raises concerns about his condition. We need to know a lot more about whether he has pneumonia or not what his lung imaging tests show. So you put that all together, the thought of releasing him today to go back to the White House seems very unrealistic to me and I think all physicians. And we need so much caution right now. Our health is so precious and fragile and it needs to be protected. KING: It needs to be protected and any president deserves the best protection, obviously, and we'll see - we could hear from the Presidents doctors, any minutes. We know he is agitating to get out of the hospital and come back to the White House. And Dana that agitation is built on the president thinks it looks weak to be hospitalized. In any case, he thinks he does not want to be hospitalized. It'd look weak 29 days before an election. And so he took a joyride last night, putting two Secret Service agents at deep risk in an SUV. And he tweeted out this video in which the President said, "Having COVID has taught him a lot." Listen. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's been a very interesting journey. I learned a lot about COVID. I learned it by really going to school. This is the real school. This isn't the, let's read the book school, and I get it and I understand it. KING: What does he get and understand if he's putting those two Secret Service agents at risk, leaving the hospital four, maybe five days into his symptoms, when any doctor would tell you it should be at least 10 days. And when you see as Kaitlan just outlined, the continued behavior at the White House, the president himself, goes to a fundraiser after being told Hope Hicks is positive and that he was definitely exposed. Kayleigh McEnany in the briefing room after being around Hope Hicks and at the White House again yesterday. They have not learned the lessons. DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: No, two things. Number one, why is - does it take going to coronavirus - or getting coronavirus to go to school? I mean, he has an entire COVID Task Force that has been set up. Why didn't he go? Why didn't he study, not as a patient, but as a president? That's number one. But number two, you're absolutely right. He is trying to politically, at least somehow find a silver lining, which is show empathy, show understanding with that statement that you just heard from the president. But you're right, it completely flies in the face of the actions that the president has taken, not just beforehand, which was reckless in going to have a meeting with his own donors in New Jersey, knowing that he was very likely exposed, but even while he is in Walter Reed. I mean, we've heard from doctors who are working there saying, "Are you kidding me? This is a ridiculous idea to go into his car, which is hermetically sealed with other people." It's just not fair. I mean, look, those Secret Service agents that's what they go in for that. They're trained to take a bullet for the president. But I don't think they trained to take a bullet from the president, and in this case, the bullet being COVID-19. KING: Well, nobody should have to be put at harm's way, because their boss, or in this case, the person they protect, decides to do something that is reckless. But they have no choice. They have no choice. Dr. Koh, one of the issues here has been transparency. The president's doctor admitting yesterday that he was misleading about certain things, because he wanted to be more upbeat in public and he knows the president watches him on television. Another question that neither the doctor nor anyone else at the White House will answer is, when was the last time the president tested negative for coronavirus? Let's listen. REPORTER: What was the date of the president's last negative test? DR. SEAN CONLEY, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PHYSICIAN: I'm not going to get into all the testing going back. But he and all the staff routinely are tested KAYLEIGH MCENANY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I'm not going to give you a detailed readout with timestamps of every time the president's tested. He's tested regularly. And the first positive test he received was after he's returned from Bedminster. KING: Help a viewer understand why that is critical information, not only as you as a doctor would consider the president's care, when is it safe perhaps for him to leave the hospital? How - when was the last negative test therefore we can grade how severe these symptoms are right now? And for the people who work in that complex, who are not getting information from the chief of staff or from anyone else about the risks in the building? KOH: You're right, John. The question on his last negative test is really important, not just for the president himself, and the future course of his care, but also looking back to see who may have been within six feet of him for more than 15 minutes, and therefore are need to be contacted by tracers, and then potentially quarantined. When you stop and think about it, there is going to be a massive contact tracing effort that needs to be coordinated right now, not just by the by the White House, but by health officials in DC, and in New Jersey, and in Minnesota, and possibly even Ohio. And so those are a lot of people who have been exposed and many of the highest levels of government. So that's why we need the best care for the president right now from medical terms, but also the best public health interventions with respect to contact tracing. BASH: Can I just jump in on that, John? KING: Sure. BASH: That's not happening. It is not happening. Everybody from our friend, Michael Shear, who is a reporter for The New York Times, who is home, he was on CNN this morning. He is positive with COVID. He has been contacted by nobody. But it's also the case for someone like Chris Christie, who was in debate prep next to the President, has COVID, is in the hospital. He's been called to see how he's doing, but not to see who he's been in contact with. It isn't happening at all. And this is the white house. This is the highest levels of government that they should know how to do this and it is not happening. KING: Right. Let me add the governor of New Jersey who said on our air today that they've gotten some names of the people who were at the president's golf club in Bedminster. But the White House, obviously, has contact numbers, e-mails and the like and they haven't passed that information on. As well the Republican Party has them. Dana Bash, Dr. Koh an important breaking story. Appreciate the reporting and their insights. Up next for us, we continue to track the country's COVID issue, 22 states now reporting rising case numbers. This pandemic showing signs of surging again.

Biden: I'll Do Whatever The Experts Say On Participating In Next Debate; WH Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany Tests Positive For Coronavirus; Uncertainty Over Trump's Condition After Joyride Around Hospital; White House Refuses To Say When Trump Last Tested Negative; Fauci: Contact Tracers Should Absolutely Contact WH Event Attendees.

Biden: Ich werde tun, was auch immer die Experten sagen, um an der nächsten Debatte teilzunehmen; Pressesprecherin des Weißen Hauses Kayleigh McEnany wurde positiv auf das Coronavirus getestet; Ungewissheit über Trumps Zustand nach einer Spritztour durch das Krankenhaus; Das Weiße Haus weigert sich zu sagen, wann Trump zuletzt negativ getestet wurde; Fauci: Kontakt-Tracer sollten unbedingt Veranstaltungsteilnehmer im Weißen Haus kontaktieren.

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LEMON: Senator Lindsey Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, planning to hold a confirmation hearing for Amy Coney Barrett beginning next Monday. Graham is hoping a prominent role is getting President Trump's Supreme Court nominee confirmed. He is hoping that it will play well back in South Carolina, where he is in a tough re-election battle. Here's CNN's Manu Raju. MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He's gone from outspoken Trump critic to a staunch Trump defender. SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): Thank you for being the best commander in chief. RAJU (voice-over): And now, Lindsey Graham is battling to keep his Senate seat in South Carolina and trying to convince voters he should be rewarded for his loyalty to the president. GRAHAM: Here's what I'm going to tell to all the liberals talking about South Carolina. We're going to kick your ass. RAJU (voice-over): Despite attacking Trump five years ago -- GRAHAM: He's a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot. RAJU (voice-over): He now says this. GRAHAM: I think we are a team. RAJU (voice-over): And Graham is betting that his vigorous defense of Trump Supreme Court nominee and push to confirm his choice of Amy Coney Barrett by month's end will win over voters in this conservative state, despite what he said in the past. GRAHAM: I have been helping Trump and I currently pissed every local RAJU (voice-over): But Graham is being swamped by a deluge of attack ads painting him as a craven politician, suddenly making him among the most endangered Republican. Democrat Jaime Harrison, a former congressional aide, state party chair and lobbyist, is raising a staggering amount of money and bombarding the airwaves with ads like this one. JAIME HARRISON, FORMER CONGRESSIONAL AIDE (voice-over): One of the reasons our political system is broken is politicians who have been in Washington so long. RAJU (voice-over): Harrison has already spent $40 million in advertising, compared to roughly 14 million by Graham. Harrison has let his ads do the talking, doing little public campaigning, and speaking sparingly to the media. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They have been blitzing us with ads, back to back. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have seen a lot of Jaime Harrison ads. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I haven't seen much more than just that on the internet. RAJU (voice-over): As a father of two young sons and pre-diabetic, Harrison has been cautious in the age of coronavirus, even insisting a large plexiglass be placed beside him during Saturday's debate. Harrison's campaign says his schedule has been packed, but his aides would not provide a list of his virtual events despite many requests by CNN. (On camera): Mr. Harrison. Hi. Manu Raju at CNN. Do you have a quick minute to talk before the debate? HARRISON: Nope. I'm talking to -- RAJU (on camera): Yeah. We've been trying to talk to you for this -- your campaign hasn't been responding to our questions. Mr. Harrison, do you have a quick second to talk about the debate? How it went? Sir, any questions from CNN, will you take them? ( Voice-over): At the debate, Harrison attacked Graham over his repeated promises in 2016 and 2018 not to advance a Supreme Court pick in a presidential election year. GRAHAM: You could use my words against me. HARRISON: You took an oath to serve and that's what you have done. Now, just be a man of it and stand up and say, you know what, I changed my mind. RAJU (voice-over): Graham was unapologetic about his reversal. GRAHAM: Amy Barrett will be a buffer to liberalism. If you want conservative judges, I'm your only bet in this race. RAJU (voice-over): Yet, it's that kind of shift that may cost Graham this voter in Myrtle Beach. DOUG ORTH, SOUTH CAROLINA VOTER: I kind of liked him, until he flip flopped on the Supreme Court thing. And that kind of turned me off. RAJU (voice-over): But Graham thinks most voters will ultimately reward him in his quest to keep the court and the Senate conservative. ( On camera): You worry that voters may lose trust in you? GRAHAM: No, not at all. I think people can trust me to be fair. RAJU (on camera): And Don, in my interview with Lindsey Graham, I asked him if he had any concerns with the president's handling of the coronavirus, whether the president should not have downplayed the virus, the president did by his own admission, Graham said the president was right to not create a panic or in the words of Graham, not say that the country was going to -- quote -- "blow up." And I asked him, though, what about having packed rallies, for instance, crowded White House events? He sidestepped that question, but he ultimately said that this virus came from China, not from Trump Tower. Don? LEMON: All right. Manu, thank you very much. So, there's only weeks left until the election. Mike Pence, Kamala Harris, they are going to face off so make sure you watch. The only vice presidential debate of 2020 will air on Wednesday night right here on CNN with special coverage starting at 7:00 Eastern. I am so glad that you can join us this evening. Thank you so much for watching. I am Don Lemon. Our coverage continues.

Sen. Lindsey Graham Tied With Challenger Jaime Harrison For SC Senate Seat.

Senator Lindsey Graham, der mit Herausforderer Jaime Harrison für den SC-Senatssitz gebunden ist.

参议员林赛·格雷厄姆与其竞争者杰米·哈里森竞选南卡罗来纳州参议员，二人势均力敌。

CAMEROTA: Sleepy, unsteady, senile, weak. Those are just some of President Trump's favorite insults about the health of his opponents. But now he's the one who's sick. John Avlon is here with the Reality Check. So now what, John? JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, Ali, look, there's never been a president fell by a serious illness so close to an election, with Trump now saying that we should take this disease seriously because after 22,000 -- 10,000 American deaths, it has affected him personally. Now, we all wish the president and everyone in the White House COVID outbreak, a speedy recovery. But it's a karmic twist because Trump has deployed the politics of sickness in this campaign and the last, trying to stir rumors that his Democratic opponents were seriously ill. But just maybe, this turn of events will allow our collective fever to break. So let's back up and take a look at what Donald Trump was doing almost four years to the day before his diagnosis. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Here's a woman. She's supposed to fight all of these different things. And she can't make it 15 feet to her car. Give me a break. Give me a break. AVLON: So he's making fun of Hillary Clinton for having pneumonia. Now UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hillary Clinton doesn't have the fortitude and strength or stamina to lead in our world. AVLON: It all injected rocket fuel into countless memes and Hillary health hashtags, often amplified by Russia. The muscle memory endures because team Trump's been tried to run the same play against Joe Biden. 2020 nominees are less than four years apart but Trump's been straining to raise questions about Biden's mental fitness in speeches, ads, social media via surrogates struggling to explain away strong performances to date with reflect neither sleepiness nor civility. After Biden's DNC speech, Trump booster Rush Limbaugh baselessly said that Biden must have pre-taped it. But in CNN town hall accelerated back free accusations of performance enhancing drug use and a round of disastrous debate in which Trump himself was possibly sick and likely contagious, came conspiracy theory great speculation that Biden was wearing an earpiece. Have we mentioned that projection as one of Trump's favorite political weapons. Because not coincidentally, we've also learned via Department of Homeland Security Bolton that the Russians are spreading the same kind of disinformation via social media. The kind of stuff which Trump has even re-tweeted. But don't get distract from the fact that the literal politics of sickness affects all Americans through health care. And the Trump administration is preparing to argue in front of the Supreme Court that the Affordable Care Act a.k.a. ObamaCare is unconstitutional with nothing in place to replace. We can do better. And witness the fact that the Biden campaign paused all negative ads out of respect for the president's condition, the Trump campaign true to form, refuse to do the same. Illness should inspire compassion, a recognition that we are all flawed and broken in different ways. But there's a common underlying condition beneath the politics of sickness and the politics of personal destruction. Both are symptoms of hyper partisanship, which too often elevates cruelty and justifies lies through a vision of politics as a version of civil war. We need to start overcoming this affliction and address its root causes, if we're going to see anything resembling real healing in the American body politic. And that's your reality check. BERMAN: Look, I think, John, you've just revealed why the president has been so squarely about his health because obviously he thinks it's weakness to be in the hospital. He thinks -- and so he's trying to avoid it any way he can, but you judge for yourself whether or not you think that SUV photo stunt is a sign of strength or weakness. CAMEROTA: Thanks, John. BERMAN: All right, New Jersey trying to track down donors who may have been exposed to coronavirus after going to a fundraiser with the president. The governor of Jersey joins us live next.

Trump's Years of Insulting His Opponent's Health; Contract Tracing Underway After Trump NJ Fundraiser.

Trumps jahrelange Beleidigung der Gesundheit seines Gegners; Vertragsverfolgung nach Trump NJ Fundraiser im Gange.

特朗普多年来对对手健康的侮辱；特朗普新泽西州筹款活动后，合同追踪工作正在进行中。

JOHN KING, CNN HOST: Dan Merica, grateful for the reporting there. Thanks for joining us today. I hope to see you back here this time tomorrow. A very bus news day, Brianna Keilar picks up our coverage right now. Have a good day. Stay safe. BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: Hello. I'm Brianna Keilar, and I want to welcome viewers here in the United States and around the world. We are beginning with breaking news today. The radius from the Trump administration's coronavirus outbreak is growing larger. Senior leadership of the Pentagon is now quarantining after being exposed, this with the president back at the White House with details of his condition still unclear. Let's go live now to Barbara Starr at the Pentagon. Barbara, tell us what we are hearing. BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brianna, good afternoon. We now know that the number two at the United States Coast Guard tested positive on Monday for the coronavirus. Once he tested positive, this now has set off a chain of events here at the Pentagon this morning. The entire joint chiefs, the entire military leadership of the Pentagon essentially is now working from home, working from alternate locations and self-quarantining, because the assistant commandant had been in the Pentagon in recent days for a number of meetings with top leadership, including a classified meeting in the so-called tank where the joint chiefs often meet to discuss classified material. So let me go through the list for you. It starts with the chairman of joint chiefs, General Mark Milley, working from home, the vice chairman, General John Hyten, working from home, the chief of naval operations, Michael Gilday, the chief of staff of the Army, the chief of staff of the Air Force, reading off the list, the chief of space operations, the head of the National Guard, the number two general at the marine Corps because the commandant had not been at the meetings, still part of the joint chiefs, and perhaps most interesting, General Paul Nakasone, is head of U.S. Cyber Command and also the National Security Agency, one of the most critical jobs in the U.S. intelligence community, very involved in looking at the prospect of tampering with election security. We have no information, we should say, that any of these top leaders have tested positive or have symptoms. They have all been tested. Some have come back negative. Some are awaiting results. And what we're looking for is to get an idea of what the protocol will be now, once they get negative, can they just come back to work, or do they need to stay home for a few days, have repeated testing under standard protocols until everyone can be assured that they are indeed negative because this cuts a very wide swath through military leadership. Having said that, for example, General Milley, chairman of the joint chiefs, the top military adviser, 24 hours a day to the president of the United States. General Milley has a classified suite of communications in his home. He can be in touch around the world at any time right from his home. So they're emphasizing very strongly that none of this would affect national security in and of itself, but this now is a very unexpected, very wide swath, through the Pentagon leadership, through the military leadership. We want to take a moment and wish the Coast Guard admiral the very best and a speedy recovery, of course. And, certainly, the hope is that no additional people fall ill. Brianna? KEILAR: But just real quick, Barbara, they don't all have that suite in their homes that allows them access to classified information? STARR: Well, all of the joint chiefs have some access to classified information, and classified communications in particular 24 hours a day. The vice chairman who has redundant capability with the chairman, because he would be in touch with the president at a moment's notice, he also would have classified communications. AND it is probably important to also talk a little about how this works. Look, if there was a sudden, unexpected national security crisis, these guys would be as they are at work. Additional precautions would be taken. The National Command Center, by all accounts, is up and running. There would be no pause in any capability or operations of any sort. But, nonetheless -- and they can do Zoom meetings like the rest of us, but nonetheless, it is a startling example, I think it's fair to say, on how quickly one COVID case can affect the population. People across this country already know this. The Pentagon knows it, but this morning, a really stark example of how this can really impact. KEILAR: It certainly is. Barbara Starr, thank you so much. We do also have some more breaking news. The president's doctor is reporting he does not report having COVID symptoms today. And his vitals remain stable, according to his doctor. We're going to have more on that in a moment. Now, remember, the president is out of the hospital, he is back in a White House that has become, in the words of one source to Axios, a cesspool of now coronavirus cases. The president making his return in a bizarre, over the top display last night, that included removing his mask, saluting Marine One, and making what can only be described as a campaign video where he, once again, downplayed seriousness of the pandemic, as he downplays his own experience. And on Twitter, the president pointed to the upcoming flu season. He said that the U.S. will have to learn to live with COVID just like it has with the flu, falsely claiming that COVID is far less lethal in most populations. Twitter has now labeled that tweet as one that spreads misleading information, and here is why. With more than 210,000 deaths, the coronavirus has already killed more Americans than the past five flu seasons combined. There is also a vaccine for the flu, something that still has not been approved for COVID or achieved. CNN Chief White House Correspondent Jim Acosta is with me. And we are hearing from the president's doctor for the first time today, Jim. He also has some credibility issues, but what did he say? JIM ACOSTA, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Brianna. WE just got this letter of a statement from the physician to the president, Dr. Sean Conley, who, as you mentioned, has had some credibility issues, we're not going to dance around that. But this is the latest according to Dr. Conley on the president's health according to the statement. It says, this morning, the president's team of physicians met with him in the residence. He had a restful first night at home, and today he reports no symptoms, according to Dr. Conley. Vital signs and physical exam remains stable with an ambulatory oxygen saturation level 95 to 97 percent. Overall, he continues to do extremely well. I will provide updates as we know more, that from Dr. Conley. But as you said, Brianna, we have had some issues with Dr. Conley's statements. He's even admitted himself he was trying to provide upbeat assessments on the president's health. So, perhaps you can put this statement in that same category. I can tell you, Brianna, talking to a senior Trump campaign official this morning and a source close to the White House, the president would like to do some kind of address to the nation to tell people how he's doing in this bout with the coronavirus. But as we're reporting that out, we are learning from sources that there are lingering health concerns inside the White House about the president in part because of that ridiculous moment that you mentioned on the Truman balcony on the south lawn of the White House last night when the president walked up those steps and tried to show everybody how tough he was, took off his mask. And then when he took off the mask, revealed to the world that he is still having some difficulty breathing. Those images of the president having some difficulty breathing did concern people inside the White House. And that is part of the reason why we understand that there's a bit of a debate going as to whether or not the president should get some kind of address to the nation. Obviously, it is finally up to him as to whether he wants to do that. But our understanding, Brianna, is that it's being seriously considered. The other thing we should point out is just exactly what you said a few moments ago, is that, as the president is recovering from the coronavirus here at the White House, he is continuing to peddle false and misleading information about the pandemic, comparing it to the flu and so on. Remember, Brianna, and you know this all too well, these are the exact same false talking points he was using at the beginning of this pandemic. And so his condition is far worse today than it was back in April but the talking points, the false talking points remain the same. Brianna? KEILAR: Yes. Jim Acosta at the White House, thank you. We have some more breaking news. President Trump has been personally calling drug companies, pressuring them to speed up the vaccine process, this is according to a source familiar with conversations that he is having. I want to bring in CNN Political Correspondent, Sara Murray, who is tracking the story. What's he saying to them, Sara? SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, look, Brianna, this my reporting with Kevin Liptak, that the president who we know is very fixated on this vaccine, in getting a vaccine before Election Day, has been calling drug companies and making it clear he wants this to move quicker, asking them if there's any way that they can to speed this process up. And this is particularly worrisome in the president's conversation, Scientists say, with Pfizer. Because Pfizer has had CEO, who is out there, and is just kind of busting the norms, predicting that he's going to have a vaccine that they will know it works by October, they could move over to the FDA by this month. That is not something that we have seen from these other drug makers. And so scientists are watching this play out. And they are concerned that if you have this bullish president who wants a vaccine before Election Day and this very bullish CEO that is clearly willing to break the norms of what these other drug makers are saying publicly, there could be a way that they come together and manage to speed up this process and perhaps cut corners in the regulatory process, which is a huge concern and something the FDA has spoken very publicly about and said, look, we want this to go through a normal process and through our career scientists. Brianna? KEILAR: If a drug company were to bend to the pressures, Sara, the vaccine would still have to go through the FDA approval process. But then there are also concerns of political pressure that's brewing there. MURRAY: That's right. I mean, look, we saw the president and Mark Meadows publicly sort of make this guidance the FDA wanted to put out go away, these guidance that would have these drug companies collect data for longer. So the FDA has been out here is saying essentially, we are talking directly to these vaccine makers, we are making it clear what we want from them. And the Steve Hahn, the head of the FDA, has said, this is going to go through our career scientists. Other top FDA officials have essentially threatened to resign if that's not the case. But there is a scenario that some might say is a kind of a wild conspiracy theory, but this is a wild year, there's a scenario in which the president could bypass Steve Hahn and the FDA all together, put pressure on HHS Secretary Alex Azar and he could be the one who issues these emergency use authorization for a vaccine. Now, when we asked HHS about this, Brian Harrison, the chief of staff over there, insisted this was not going to happen and there was no way that Azar was going to big foot the FDA. But this kind of gives you, Brianna, a sense of where people's heads are at. They are worried that this is not going to go through a normal process where career scientists get to evaluate data, get to take it to an outside advisory committee, that advisory committee gets to debate it, and the public really gets to see that this is a vaccine that has gone through all of these appropriate channels. KEILAR: Yes. And if it doesn't, according to experts, it will be disastrous in the confidence that the public can have in this. Sara, thank you so much. Fantastic reporting from you and Kevin there. President Trump says he's feeling great and that his grand return to the White House may give the appearance that he's doing fine. But coronavirus treatment that he has been getting could mask some of his symptoms. Here is a reminder of what his doctors have prescribed to him. There's remdesivir, there's Regeneron, which is an experimental antibody therapy, and the steroid, dexamethasone, a recent study showing that steroids can be very beneficial for seriously ill COVID patients. My next guest co-authored that study and says that the results give doctors like him hope for patients who are struggling with COVID. Dr. Bryan McVerry is a pulmonary and critical care physician. He's an Associate Professor of Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. Dr. McVerry, thanks for coming onto share your expertise. DR. BRYAN MCVERRY, PULMONARY AND CRITICAL CARE MEDICINE PHYSICIAN: It's my pleasure. Thank you, Brianna, for having me. KEILAR: So when you are -- we're talking about steroid use like this, what kind of patient benefits the most from steroid use? MCVERRY: The studies looking at steroids for treatment of COVID-19 show the benefit primarily in the more severely ill patients. So recovery trial out of the United Kingdom suggested benefit in patients who require oxygen therapy or those in the intensive care unit requiring mechanical ventilation. Our KEILAR: Would it be odd for a patient with mild symptoms to get a steroid? MCVERRY: I think data would support giving it to patients with more severe symptoms and oxygen requirements. And recovery trial, about 25 percent of the population had milder symptoms and there was no benefit seen in that subgroup of the population. And so I think the indication for treatment is in the more severely ill patients as opposed to more mild disease. We noticed a pattern with the president's doctor that he has been quick to share information that shows a positive indicator for the president. For instance, he'll say things like, indeed, he has not been on fever-reducing meds for some time. He'll say that he's not reporting muscle aches. He will definitely highlight what the president is reporting, self-reporting. But when he is asked, when Dr. Conley was asked whether the president had pneumonia or if the president's lung imaging showed abnormalities, he then cites privacy considerations. We are seeing this pattern over and over. So, just generally, if I can ask you, how is it -- when you're talking about pneumonia or lung abnormalities in a COVID patient, is that the commonality that you would see for taking a steroid like this? MCVERRY: Yes. So the patients who receive steroids typically have pneumonia. You wouldn't typically see an oxygen requirement in patients without pneumonia. And so you would probably not use that medication on someone who didn't have pneumonia. And you wouldn't expect to see oxygen or reductions in oxygen saturation, requirement for oxygen administration in patients who didn't have pneumonia. KEILAR: Dr. Conley was asked if he had pneumonia. He wouldn't say -- he didn't say he did not have it, but he would not answer the question. Can you tell us a little bit about the side effects of the steroid? MCVERRY: So steroids have variable side effects depending on how long you have been on them and what dose you're taking. I mean, the steroid themselves can be fever-reducing medications. And so you might not have a fever if you're on this dose of corticosteroids. In addition, you can see elevations in blood sugar that come with corticosteroids. You can also see an increased appetite, increased level of alertness, some disruption in sleep for being on moderate to high dose steroids for a short period of time. KEILAR: And mood related side effects? MCVERRY: I suppose you could see some mood-related side effects that tends to be more sort of an activation and more energy than it does sort of depression syndrome, in my experience. KEILAR: OK, so more energy, more energetic. Dr. McVerry, thank you so much for talking to us. MCVERRY: Absolutely, my pleasure. Thank you for having me. KEILAR: So what about the White House residence staff? Is President Trump's return endangering them? I'm going to be speaking with a former White House chef. Plus a teenager who lost her grandparents to COVID says the president's tweets are a slap in the face. She is going to join me live. And a doctor joins me to analyze the new statement from the president's doctor. This is CNN special live coverage.

Doctor Says, Trump Reports No Symptoms Today, Vitals Stable

Arzt sagt, Trump zeigt heute keine Symptome, Vitalwerte stabil

医生称特朗普今天无症状，生命体征稳定

ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: Well, returning to our top story now. The COVID-19 outbreak raging through the President's inner circle and its political fallout. Senior advisor Steven Miller is now one of at least a dozen of the President's close contacts who have tested positive. Meanwhile, Vice President Mike Pence has agreed to plexiglass barriers at tonight's debate with Kamala Harris. Pence's team originally questioned the need for the barriers when the two would be socially distanced, but they relented as the White House cluster grows. And Joe Biden is now questioning whether his second debate should even go ahead if President Trump is still infected. JOE BIDEN, U.S. DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Well, I think if he still has COVID, we shouldn't have a debate, any debate. I think, by the way, I think we're going to have to follow very strict guidelines. Too many people have been infected and it's a very serious problem and so I'll be guided by the guidelines of The Cleveland Clinic and what the docs say is the right thing to do if and when he shows up for debate. CHURCH: And for his part, Donald Trump says he wants to debate and even return to the campaign trail, but for now Mr. Trump is at home in the White House. And that house is staffed by people now coming in close contact with the President and first lady, both infected with COVID-19. The first lady's office has had to respond to claims employees are concerned for their safety. They say staff have worn masks since April and are tested regularly. Masks have been upgraded to full PPE recently. There's even a well-being consultant to help with mental health issues. Joining me now is Kate Andersen Brower. She is a CNN contributor and the author of "The Residence," a book about the staff who work behind the scenes at the White House. Good to have you with us. KATE ANDERSEN BROWER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Thanks for having me. CHURCH: So President Trump returned to the White House Monday night still infected with the coronavirus and adding to an ever increasing list of those infected on his staff. But you've spent considerable time at the White House. Just how vulnerable are the various members of his staff, not the top aides but the cooks, the cleaners, the butlers? And are they even able to socially distance in that building? BROWER: Well, it's a really interesting question because there are about 90 to 95 resident staffers. So as you say, these are florists, cooks, engineers. They make the White House run, but it's really the butlers on the second floor of the White House, which is where the first family lives, that's where their bedrooms are, and their living rooms. There's a little kitchen and a dining room. There's not a lot they can do to distance themselves because it's the butler who's serving the President and the first lady. But the White House has come out and said there's a skeleton crew. Just several people, eight to ten people on rotating shifts. But to answer your question, there is going to be some exposure to the President and the first lady in the residence. CHURCH: So how can the White House guarantee the safety of any of these people? And how can they work to ensure that they don't get infected? Because even with the skeleton staff, you need to be wearing masks, you need to be socially distancing, and they're working with someone -- two people at least directly with the first lady and the President who are actually infected. BROWER: Well, you know, the White House staff is so loyal to the presidency. They work from one administration to the next, and they usually serve for decades. Many of whom that I interviewed, more than 50 of them for my book, they have been there for 20, 30 years. They love their jobs and they would do anything for their jobs, including sacrifice their -- sacrificing their own health potentially. But the White House does say that they wear PPE, so they're wearing masks. There is hospital grade cleaning equipment in use. Just today Melania Trump's office came out with that statement because people are so concerned about the resident staff. Because these are not people who come from money. You know, they're making between 30 grand and 100 grand a year. They're not people who are doing this for the money. And so the fact that they're putting their lives at risk for the presidency I think is deeply troubling for people. CHURCH: Yes, indeed, and when you're talking about people who have been there for up to 30 years, you're talking about a vulnerable group. They're probably in their 50s and 60s. BROWER: Exactly. That's exactly right. Many of the butlers are African-American historically. It's been a very prestigious job in Washington, to have this job, and to work directly with the President of the United States. They're often very, very close with the President. I know that one of the butlers who was very close with Obama and Bush is also close with President Trump. So there's this sense of allegiance to the institution of the White House and not to the person. They're very protective of the family. They do not speak to the press. It's incredibly hard to get them to talk. The current staff has been told not to ever talk to the press and we know two housekeepers tested positive for COVID several weeks ago. So you know, they're working in a bull's eye, is petri dish right now and everyone is very concerned about them. CHURCH: So just finally, how would you rate the way the White House has dealt with the outbreak so far? BROWER: I think it's been too little too late. I think that President Trump going back to the White House and exposing the staff to the virus is irresponsible and reckless. I think that it's surprising to see what's happening right now. I think making them make the kind of awful decision, they can't say no to coming to work. This is their paycheck. They have mortgages to pay, right? But -- so they're being forced really to do this. And I think it's a terrible position to be put in by the President of the United States. CHURCH: Kate Andersen Brower, thank you so much for shining a spotlight on this. Appreciate it. BROWER: Thank you. CHURCH: Well, many Americans were already living paycheck to paycheck before the pandemic hit, and they have been hurt the most by job losses. Now that President Trump has halted negotiations, there's no hope for a stimulus check any time soon. CNN's Kyung Lah met a single mother who's struggling to feed her family. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mommy, wake up, mama, we have got to go to school. KYUNG LAH, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The morning routine for Rose Rodriguez and her three girls. ROSE RODRIGUEZ, SINGLE MOTHER WHO IS STRUGGLING TO FEED HER FAMILY: You're going to play in school. You're going to feed you too. LAH: Three-year-old Alexandra -- RODRIGUEZ: Come on, get up. LAH: -- and 12-year-old Terry sleep in one bed. 13-year-old Elista, sleeps on the couch. Breakfast -- RODRIGUEZ: Alexandra you want this one? LAH: -- is what she has scrounged from the day before. RODRIGUEZ: It's good? Yeah? I eat whatever is left over. LAH: Everything has changed since coronavirus. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you, mom. In the pantry, that's all I have. LAH (on camera): Before, coronavirus was this full? RODRIGUEZ: Everything was full. LAH (voice-over): This was Rodriguez at her full-time job at LAX Airport. She worked for Qantas Airline cargo making more than $20 an hour. RODRIGUEZ: I thought everything would be good. I thought you know what, I have money for my rent. I have money for the food. I don't have to worry about the girl's health. I never thought that on Wednesday, I would show up to work, but no, it was not that way, you could lose your job at any time. LAH (on camera): How about the food? I mean, how much -- RODRIGUEZ: With the food, that's what we struggle with. LAH: Tell me about that struggle. RODRIGUEZ: The struggle is sometimes we eat and sometimes we don't. LAH (voice-over): What she manages, is cheap unhealthy food. Rodriguez says, she has applied for 50 jobs, 30 interviews later, still nothing. Her unemployment applications stalled, part of the more than 1 million stuck in a logjam in California system. Her car and most of her furniture, repossessed. She is months behind on rent. RODRIGUEZ: When we go to the laundromat, we see homeless washing themselves. And one day, if I don't go back to work, I'm going to be one of them. We only live check by check, but now it's not a check, it's a box. A box that I have to stretch out for seven days. LAH: That weekly box is donated food from the L.A. Food bank and Salvation Army. While her older daughters learn virtually on public school laptops -- RODRIGUEZ: Who's ready for lunch? LAH: Alexandra gets free childcare and lunch at the Salvation Army. Too young to understand a virus's impact on her family. RODRIGUEZ: I don't think she wants what she sees. But I tell her, mommy, I can't. I have to tell her tomorrow so she could forget. LAH (on camera): And every day it's tomorrow? RODRIGUEZ: Yes, everything is tomorrow. LAH (voice-over): Food banks across the country have seen hour's long lines, as record unemployment devastate working families. MORTIMER JONES, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SALVATION ARMY SIEMON CENTER: So we do have all our peas. LAH: At Salvation Army food bank in Los Angeles, they fed 10 times the number of people, as last year. JONES: It's not like it happen for a week, or two weeks. It's been happening for months. And even though we're trying our best to help, we know that we barely scratching the surface, because we can only do so much with a limited resources that we have. LAH: Today, fresh food bank supplies mean their shelves are more full. RODRIGUEZ: Mac and cheese. LAH: But the joy, is short lived. Counting down the days, to the next food box has begun. RODRIGUEZ: They shouldn't go through this. They don't have to worry like how can they eat the next day, like my mom has to go look for food or is mom eating. And they should not be worried about that, because I would be working and they should be just worry about school and their futures. I just hurts. LAH: Kyung Lah, CNN, Los Angeles. CHURCH: Well, one of the strongest storms to form in the Atlantic this year is barreling towards Mexico and has the U.S. in sight. We'll tell you where it's headed. That's next.

Concerns Grow for White House Staff as COVID Spreads; First Lady's Office Reveals COVID Safety Precautions; Mother Struggles to Feed Family After Losing Job

Wachsende Besorgnis bei den Mitarbeitern des Weißen Hauses angesichts der Ausbreitung von COVID; Büro der First Lady gibt COVID-Sicherheitsvorkehrungen bekannt; Mutter kämpft, um ihre Familie zu ernähren, nachdem sie ihren Job verloren hat

随着新冠病毒的传播，白宫工作人员的担忧与日俱增；第一夫人办公室披露了新冠病毒的安全防范措施；母亲失业后艰难糊口

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hello, everyone, and welcome to "Amanpour." Here's what's coming up. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I agree with many so of the things he's doing like in trade and, you know, taxes, but he scares me, and I can't vote for him. AMANPOUR: The Republican Party at war with itself. Michael Steele, the former chair of the RNC, on what Trump's chaos means for the GOP and the election. Then -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's definitely pretty upsetting to know it can happen to people our age. AMANPOUR: The mental health fallout of COVID on campus. Yale psychology professor and Happiness Lab podcaster, Dr. Laurie Santos joins us. Plus, is the media being played in Trump's campaign to stoke fear and distrust around mail-in ballots? And finally, black holes. Unveiling the darkest secrets of the universe. The Andrea Ghez joins me, only the fourth woman to win a Nobel in physics. Welcome to the program, everyone. I'm Christiane Amanpour in London. In a week that feels like the American presidency has entered a twilight zone, the chaos surrounding Donald Trump's illness continues and the circle of infection around him widens. And as he pushed to bust out of self- isolation, these corona busters have been disinfecting parts of the west wing in preparation for him to reclaim the Oval Office. His personal doctor reports the president has been symptom-free for the past 24 hours, but we still do not know whether there will be another presidential debate. So, perhaps the vice-presidential face-off between Mike Pence and Senator Kamala Harris will be remembered as more consequential than any in recent memory. Twenty-seven days away from the election, Donald Trump continues to trail Joe Biden in the polls. The latest, putting him 16 points behind. And his decision to hit vulnerable Americans where it hurts most in the pocketbook surely is a stunner. Why would he pull the plug on more significant bailouts for families who are struggling to put food on the table and stay in their places, their houses? Let's ask Michael Steele. He's the former chair of the Republican National Committee and he's the first African- American to hold that role. Michael Steele, welcome to the program. Thanks for joining uses from Washington. Can I first ask you, because I think you have now moved from having been, you know, chairman of the RNC to actually wanting to vote against President Trump and joining the Lincoln Project, which is basically calling on Republicans to vote for Joe Biden. Why would you do that? MICHAEL STEELE, FORMER CHAIR, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE: Well, there's more to the presidency than a policy or Supreme Court nomination. You know, for many conservatives like myself, Republicans, across the spectrum, you know, we've also valued the quality of the men, unfortunately, just been men but the quality of individuals who have been in that Oval Office who served behind the resolute desk. So, we look at the character. The character -- I mean, we were a party that always argued about the character of an individual mattering in how they lead and the direction in which they take the country. So, with this president we've seen his character. He's shown it to us time and time again. It's not just, you know, I love a good tax cut can. I know both of the -- his recent appointments to the Supreme Court and I don't know, unfortunately, his latest appointment, but they are good jurisprudence and jurists and doing well, I'm sure, but there's more to it than that and I think the country right now is sort of evaluating what kind of leadership it needs to move it into the future. So, we think that at this point the individual who brings the character to the table, who is willing to take the risk on behalf of the American people, and, look, I'll disagree with Joe Biden all day on public policy, but right now, the country is not concerned so much about that as it is, can you help us re-establish the relationship with our foreign leaders and partners around the globe, can you help re-establish our faith in institutions and how they help govern the country, and I think that matters a lot more than people realize. AMANPOUR: So, can I ask you what you make of, you know, we broadcast these polls. Everybody, as always, is looking at the horse race. Obviously, everybody got a big sort of surprise the last time around because it didn't turn out the way the polls said it would. What do you see -- I mean, and you really are an insider who knows how to track these things and knows what to look out for. What do you feel the landscape looks like right now in terms of the election, you know, 27 days from now? STEELE: That's an excellent question, and I think the one thing that really separates 2020 from 2016 in terms of how people looked at the polls and how the polls were so wrong in 2016 relative to the outcome is what we've seen since July of last year, July of 2019 is a consistency in the lead that Biden has had over Donald Trump going back over a year. We did not see that in 2020. There was a tightening at times, a little bit of a spread between Clinton and Trump. But in this cycle, I think for a lot of reasons and in many ways, voters started making up their minds about where they wanted to be in this election long before COVID. And what COVID-19 along with the flat-lining of the economy and the civil unrest has done has locked in voters a lot sooner. There is very little margin of error here in terms of undecided voters. That number right now is about 3 percent relative to the 7 percent or 8 percent that we saw four years ago and certainly in past elections. So, voters have come around, Christiane, in a lot of ways on who they would like to have as president. And, again, tax cuts, all of those good things, you know, the unemployment rate, all of those economic indices, and remember, Trump had led over Biden in the economic category by 10 points up until mid-summer, but even now, that number has changed and tightened to where Biden has a 2 percentage lead on how to handle the economy post-COVID, and COVID is the big driver here. AMANPOUR: Right. Well, let me ask you about that, because obviously tax cuts are adored by corporations and the very wealthy and they are not so liked by the ordinary people who are suffering, and, boy, are they suffering under COVID and with this tanking of the economy. Can you fathom why the president with the kind of numbers that you're talking about would pull out of the only stimulus talks, in other words, the only bailout talks for ordinary people suddenly like that? I mean, he tried to walk it back, but nonetheless why? STEELE: Well, I think a lot of it his own interpretation of the political landscape as he sees it in his head. In his head, this race is a lot closer if he's not actually leading by the numbers that he sees particularly in battleground states. Some battleground states like, you know, North Carolina or a Texas are close, but they shouldn't be, and that's the underlying truth here that the president doesn't recognize. So, his pushback against the one thing that, you know -- well, on several actually, that could open up an avenue, a lane with voters, he's now shut down. And now, he's basically said to the American people, yes, blame me for the resources you're not going to get until after the election. AMANPOUR: OK. STEELE: Keep in mind that foreclosures are starting to happen. Folks are being evicted from their apartments, from their rental properties because all of that -- all of those safety net measures are now in expire. And so, you've got the crunch resetting on an economic front for a lot of home owners, a lot of rent remembers, a lot of job seekers and a lot of employers and people who rent to families around the country, and Trump is now sort of put himself in opposition to them by not sitting down with Nancy Pelosi and cutting the deal in the next three weeks. AMANPOUR: It does actually seem really weird because those are the people, the forgotten, the hurting that he claims to be standing for and how he won the first time around. But I want to ask you this, and look, it's not fair because you're not a doctor, but, I mean, it's unusual behavior and some are pointing to this unusual, you know, set of behaviors that began with the revelation that he had COVID practically after midnight on Friday, and he's coming back and he's done the rip-off of the mask and he's done these videos and now the circle around him has widened and he wants to come back to the Oval Office. How -- he's been pumped full of all sorts of, obviously, you know, the most advanced therapeutics available. What do you think is going on? What are you hearing about his mood, about his actions? STEELE: Yes, there is concern inside the White House for the medical treatment of the president. It has been there for a while since this narrative began. And certainly, the fact that the White House has not come forward to say when the president affirmatively tested positive for COVID- 19, the fact that the White House has not come forward to detail any heart or breathing episodes that the president may have had and the fact that the White House has not come forth in detail the ongoing care that the president is getting aligned with taking the necessary precautions inside the White House is further and more cases of COVID-19 are breaking out creates a great deal of concern more broadly for the public. As you said, I'm not a doctor. Don't know what his scripts are, don't know what the treatment regimen is. That's incumbent on the White House to share that with the American people. Absent that sharing, we are left to speculate, as you are and as folks and friends around the globe are left to speculate as to exactly what's going on. So, when you see this sudden pushback against, you know, the idea of doing a stimulus bill, when you see the president insisting that I, you know, take mask off and go back to work inside the Oval Office, it leads to speculation about the overall mental capacity and treatment and care that the president is receiving right now that may have some effect on these decisions that seem irrational certainly outside of the normal protocols for someone of his age with his level of comorbidities and suffering from COVID-19. AMANPOUR: So, can I just point out you are the former chairman of the RNC, the Republican National Committee, and you're using words like irrational and mental issues and all the rest. It's quite staggering, I have to say. I want to ask you do you think, again, from what you know about the debate process, that there will be the remaining two debates between the presidential candidates? STEELE: Excellent question. I say it's still up in the air. I think they are going to evaluate how the vice-presidential debate goes off tonight. They have put up at the insistence of the Democratic team screens, you know, clear screens between the two candidates. I personally do not believe a second or third debate should be held. I don't know how you have -- because the second debate, a week from tomorrow, is a town hall debate with real people, citizens who get to ask the questions. You know, do they now do that via, you know, technology and media or do they actually have people in the room? The president is actively carrying the COVID-19 virus. I don't know how you do it. Does he do the whole thing in a mask? He's not going to want to do that. I think this presents more challenges than the commission on presidential debates need to handle. Look, we've seen from the first debate the character and the nature of Trump's approach to this. We've seen Joe Biden, same thing. I think a lot of Americans have made up their mind. And as I said on the night of that debate, we don't need to do this again. I don't think the president's behavior is going to change much from the last debate. Certainly, if there are real people, meaning, you know, live citizens in the room asking questions that may temper it a little bit, but the third debate between him and Biden, I think there's too much at stake and the president, you know, whether he's further down in the polls or even have turned the corner, I think his behavior is going to respond accordingly, and I just think it's a greater risk than anyone needs to take from putting it on to actually being there in the room. AMANPOUR: And a quick question about -- STEELE: But they will likely do it. Christiane, they will likely do it. They will likely hold it, but I don't think they should. I don't think it's worth it. AMANPOUR: OK. Some public health officials suggested to me that they should hold the rest of them outdoors because outdoors is much, much safer than indoors in any event. Let me ask you this. Generally, the vice- presidential debate does not move dials or needles, some of them are kind of, you know, fun to watch. I'm just going to play a very famous clip that was between Lloyd Bentsen, the veteran of the Democratic Party against this sort of young Dan Quayle who was running for George H.W. bush in terms of being his vice president. Let's just play this very famous clip. FMR. SEN. LLOYD BENTSEN (D-TX): Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy. AMANPOUR: Well, I should have pre-ambled that by saying, you know, Quayle kind of compared himself to Jack Kennedy in youth and the rest of it. But it was a zinger heard around the world from Lloyd Bentsen. There haven't been very many of those in the vice-presidential debates. But do you think given the circumstances that this one will be more consequential and will be looked at more closely than previously? STEELE: It certainly will be probably and most simply because of what I just said, there may not be a second or third presidential debate. So, this will be the last public display of, you know, political combatants going at each other. And so, that raises the stakes a little bit more in this round for the vice-presidential candidates to represent their presidential candidates, the presidential nominees. The vice president has a particularly tall order since he was the one in charge of COVID-19 efforts by the administration. Usurped, I daresay, by the president himself who took over those press conferences and changed the narrative around what the administration was doing with promoting hydroxychloroquine and other -- you know, other treatments. So, -- and as does Kamala Harris have. Again, she has to, you know, forgot that she herself was a presidential candidate and now be the one who is carrying the stakes for Joe Biden, and that means, you know, his voting record in the Senate. That means, you know, comments that he may have made that, you know, taken in or out of context that raised eyebrows. So, both of these vice-presidential candidates have a charge in front of them made even more difficult by the setup for this -- of this gathering and the overarching narrative around COVID-19. AMANPOUR: Michael Steele, as we said, you are the first African-American chairman of the RNC. There are precious few African-Americans elected to top office around the country and in Congress in terms of national politics. President Trump has claimed over and again that he is the best president for African-Americans. This is what he said at the virtual convention, or the convention in August. DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: And I say very modestly that I have done more for the African-American community than any president since Abraham Lincoln, our first Republican president. AMANPOUR: He says modestly, does he have much to be modest about or has he been the great president for the African-American community? And, remember, we're in the post-George Floyd moment of racial reckoning as you know better than I do. STEELE: Yes. So, let's just say that the president was utilizing a little hyperbole there. No, he's not done more for African-Americans than any other president in history other than Abraham Lincoln. Sorry, that's water that's just not going to get collected by African-Americans who are still living with red-lining in their neighborhoods. Certainly, we know the tensions between the police and the black community, the educational system which disproportionately disadvantages the educational opportunities, certainly what we see in health care. The president right now has his administration before the Supreme Court looking to get rid of pre-existing conditions coverage under the Affordable Care Act, which is very important to the black community, which is disproportionately, again, disadvantaged under our health care system, none of those issues have been addressed. Yes, the president has put more money into HBCU funding, Historically Black Colleges and Universities funding, so did George Bush. The president has, you know, certainly put together working through the administration and with folks from Capitol Hill a criminal justice reform package, but, again, there are still important elements of criminal justice reform that are not addressed appropriately. Opportunity zones, again, another good package, but as the evidence has shown that the results have been mixed. It has not reached all four corners of the black community. And in some cases, the largest beneficiaries tend to be white businesses and not black businesses. So, it's a mixed record on a good day. And I though, it speaks to a broader narrative and problem that the party still has with the African-American community. They think by putting up a program here, look, what we're doing, right, that that's enough. You've got to take the time and actually go in the community and take the shots upside the head when they come back with -- to you with how they perceive your party's appreciation or lack thereof of their issues. AMANPOUR: Right. STEELE: How they understand, you know, the way they look at you and what they think about you. This break between the party and the African-American community goes back to the 1960s. So, this is a long time in the making by our own actions as Republicans, by our own decisions as Republicans, not anything the black community has done or said. So, I think there's a lot more work to be done here. I get the hyperbole in a political cycle, but the truth belies all of that. AMANPOUR: Michael Steele, thank you so much for joining us tonight. STEELE: My pleasure. AMANPOUR: Now, mental health issues have skyrocketed around the world and the WHO says COVID has disrupted services in over 90 percent of countries. Of particular concern are young people. Here in the U.K., around 90 universities are reporting coronavirus cases and many students living in quarantine report feeling completely abandoned. And in the United States, thousands of cases are continuing to merge on campuses around the country, not to mention the stress for those taking the entire semester online. Laurie Santos is a professor of psychology at Yale and she's host of the hit podcast "The Happiness Lab," and she's joining me now from New Haven. Dr. Santos, welcome back to the program. So, just let me start by asking you, I mean, those figures are out there. What are you hearing from your students about the stresses and whether the mental health, you know, help is there for them? LAURIE SANTOS, PROFESSOR OF PSYCHOLOGY, YALE UNIVERSITY: Yes. I mean, I think, you know, all of the things you were talking about are totally accurate. You know, COVID-19 is a stressful time for all of us, and I think it's hitting our young people, our college students disproportionately in certain ways. You know, their routines are messed up. The main way that they connect with other individuals, which is like live in classes or like live during extracurriculars they are not able to do that in the same way anymore. And that's not really a change in routine, that's really a change in how these students cop, right. It's really hard to get social connection these days. And, you know, as you're expecting, you're seeing things like increases and rises of depression and anxiety, you know, many more students trying to go to services, to get mental health services professionally. So, I think it's an incredibly challenging time. AMANPOUR: Well, let me just play sort of a mash-up of student, little soundbites that CNN got a month ago as college started to open. Let's just play this. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was hoping this was like the worst-case scenario, but at least like I'm glad they are taking steps even though it was very -- everything escalated very quickly. But I mean, they are taking steps like to be safe and to keep everyone safe and try to minimize as many cases as there are. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's been crazy and it just really panic-inducing knowing you're not going to get fresh air for two weeks and just wondering how you're going to get like stuff that you need, like medications and stuff like that. AMANPOUR: So, these are students at the University of Wisconsin-Madison who are having to prepare for, as you heard, a two-week quarantine. And we know that there is a big spike in young people, kind of the ages of 18 to 22 or so, who are getting infected. Maybe not as seriously as older people, but there is a big spike in young people, college age kids getting infected. You are the head of a residential college at Yale. What are you seeing there? How are those students being treated, being cared for? What are their stress levels? SANTOS: Yes. Well, I think one great thing about being at Yale is that Yale as a university has done it really responsibly. Our students are getting tested twice a week. There's really clear public health compact that all students have to follow and I think, you know, it's borne out and the fact that Yale has been doing really well. We only have about 20 cases on campus, which is much lower than you see in other U.S. universities. But I think it's really stressful. I mean, following the compact is really important for public health but it's hard, you know, it's hard not to meet up with friends for parties, you know, it's hard not to form study groups in person, you know, to like deal with your economics problem set. So, so many of the way students interact on campus has to change around. They are doing an incredible job with it, getting really creative about using technology but, you know, it's tough to change our routines and that manifests in feeling anxious, uncertain and just kind of AMANPOUR: You know, one of the narratives has been, particularly September, is freshest (ph) week here in the U.K., freshman week in the United States, you know, there were parties reported, there were big gatherings reported. You know, the general narrative has been that these kids, these young adults are not being responsible. Is that fair? SANTOS: Yes. I think -- I mean, again, I can always speak to what I see on Yale's campus where we haven't had any of those kinds of things. I think it's tricky, you know, we sometimes like to see in the news these cases of students acting irresponsibly, and it's hard not to the react strongly to those individual cases. But what's surprising is that by and large many students on many campuses are doing quite well. When you think of the amount that they have to sacrifice and the kind of pain that it takes to sort of follow some of these health conditions, especially when you're so connected on a college campus, I think so far, we've been doing really well. AMANPOUR: So, kind of counterintuitively, and I say this as the, you know, "Happiness Lab" podcaster and that came out of a study course that you had that was so oversubscribed that you sort of tapped into something, happiness and unhappiness. You have said that it's not just about stress, post-traumatic stress but also post-traumatic opportunity, talking about the way of dealing with COVID. What do you mean by that? SANTOS: Yes. Well, there's lots of work on this phenomenal called post- traumatic growth. You know, we've heard about post-traumatic stress, this idea that, you know, you're going to get stressed out and messed up after experiencing a challenging or a really tough event, but we don't often talk about the flip side, which is actually quite common called post-traumatic growth, right. We grow when we face horrible events, right. We come out stronger on the other side. And that's just what researchers see. Individuals report feeling more socially connected after going through tough times. Individuals report feeling more resilience, you know, like the thing you're going through now is nothing like you've been through before kind of thing and individuals also report finding more meaning in their life. You know, you want to like, you know, do what real matters. And I think we're seeing seeds of this post-traumatic growth even in our students. I've watched this in my own residential college where, you know, the first- year students were on campus for the first time during this strange moment are incredibly tightly connected. You know, they form these really strong friendships. And I think going through something together can build that social connection, it can build resilience. AMANPOUR: And you've also talked about, you know, the gift that can be given at a time like this beyond the growth that you're talking about and the evaluation of their situation. What do you tell them about why this moment can be a gift despite, you know, the illnesses, despite the deaths, despite the worries and the fears and, you know the -- you know, we don't know when this is going to end? What's the gift? SANTOS: Yes. I think the gift is that this strange time causes us to feel some incredible gratitude for stuff that we took for granted before. You know, the simple ability to go to a restaurant or a coffee shop, you know, the simple ability to see our family members with no mask, without worrying about what was going to happen. You know, those were things we took for grant. And the idea is that when you live through a time like this, it causes you to think about the other things you may be taking for granted, right. What were the blessings that you're experiencing now than you're not even realizing and how much more will you enjoy these things when you go back to them? And this is something that I see in my college students right now, as I said, you know, my first years are socially distancing, you know, many of their extracurriculars can't happen in the same way, but the hope is that we will go back to college as we know it, you know, once we get a vaccine, once we're through this crisis. And I can imagine students appreciating those aspects of college life so much more once they get them back. AMANPOUR: So, you have the podcast and you've got a special season out right now, and I was fascinated because I listened to some of the wisdom from the ancients. You've looked at ancient Greek philosophers, Plato, Aristotle, and what they talked about in terms of a fulfilling life and how to be happy. I was -- I loved the Aristotle instructions. Tell us what you have learned about Aristotle and what you pass on in your podcast about happiness. SANTOS: Yes. Well, it's been fun going back to the ancients in the current time to remember, you know, this is not the only moment that we've experienced political strife, this is not the only moment that we've seen pandemics. You know, we -- if you look at the long history, we've been through it before and I think that's partly where the wisdom of someone like Aristotle comes from. Aristotle talked a lot about this concept of eudaimonia, this idea of having a spiritual health, like being happy not just because you're hedonistically finding your pleasures, but being happy because you are living a good moral life. And part of living that good moral life is to reach out to other people, to become a little other oriented, to worry about someone else for a change. And I feel like if nothing out this pandemic has helped us to do that, like we've become really careful about paying attention to how others are feeling and to kind of reaching out and making sure our connections are cared for and healthy and happy. AMANPOUR: You also talk about his lessons about baby steps. In other words, maybe you can't be happy all in one step from unhappiness, but there are baby steps to measuring your state of mind. SANTOS: Yes. And I think this is really incredible. You know, Aristotle recognize that had happiness in some ways was a journey, right. We're always on this spiritual journey, always on this spiritual path, and we don't necessarily have to worry about getting there to the final thing. As long as we're taking tiny steps in the direction of, you know, being more grateful say or living more positively say, feeling more optimist, all of those baby steps matter a lot. And I love that advice in the time of COVID- 19. You know, so many of us have a hard time with self-compassion. We want to beat ourselves up for not being happy enough or not doing enough. Aristotle reminds us, you know, one baby step in the right direction is good, and that's the first step that will lead to more steps down the line. AMANPOUR: So, tell me lastly about touch. I ask you -- I don't know whether you've thought about this in terms of happiness, but here there's been a big national study -- well, there's been a big study called the touch test, kind of started before COVID, and it was really dramatic and interesting to hear how so many different types of people missed touch and how that is so vital in so many cases to a sense of well-being. Have you thought about that? SANTOS: Yes. I mean, I think, you know, there's many aspects of not being able to connect in real life that we're missing out on right now. But I feel like touch is a big one that we often forget. You know, getting that hug, you know, from my mom who I can't see, you know, because she has COPD, she has lots of conditions that make it hard for us to connect right now for health reasons. You know, that's a big one, right. We really miss out on that. And I think that came out of wanting to have a companion, but also wanting to have some kind of touch that you can be there with somebody you could cuddle with. And so I think what's -- and what's amazing is that, even in the face of a challenge that makes it hard to really physically connect with other people, we're good at finding other ways to make do. AMANPOUR: Well, Laurie Santos, it is great to talk to you. Saturday is, in fact, World Mental Health Day. So, it's good to get a jump on happiness and how to get mental health in order to. Thank you so much. Now, mail-in voting has been tried and tested as part of America's electoral system for decades. Yet, in recent months, it's been the target of a -- quote -- "coordinated disinformation campaign propagated not by Russia, but by the president of the United States and his Republican allies," this from a new Harvard University report, which studied how President Trump is using both traditional and social media to create a fake story about mail-in voting. Yochai Benkler has led the study. And he is the Berkman professor of entrepreneurial legal studies at Harvard Law School. And here he is talking to our Hari Sreenivasan about the report. HARI SREENIVASAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Christiane, thanks. Professor Benkler, thanks so much for joining us. What were your findings when you looked at all the data, when you looked at this as a campaign? What did you find? YOCHAI BENKLER, HARVARD LAW SCHOOL: We analyzed tens of thousands of stories, tens of thousands of Facebook posts, millions of tweets. And, repeatedly, what we found was that whenever there was a spike in attention to voter fraud, every few weeks, the precipitating event was almost always a statement by President Trump, sometimes on TV interviews on FOX, sometimes in the press briefings, and often on Twitter, and that these were closely related with statements by the RNC, with lawsuits brought by state Republican committees, and that this action by political elites, essentially the president and his party, were what drove the coverage, whereas social media coverage was really quite secondary. It just took what was already out there and recirculated it. So, this made us think that the basic model we have, where you have these distributed Facebook trolls or Russians, just isn't what's operating on this campaign, and it's not what's important for the most important disinformation campaign of the 2020 election. SREENIVASAN: When you talk about the president making statements. I mean, he was making statements about voter fraud after he won the election in 2016, set up a commission to study it. So what was so different this summer? BENKLER: We saw a significant spike in the number of times and the set-off events that started right after the signing of the first coronavirus stimulus bill, and which included mail-in ballots. So, you see a level of reference to voter fraud. And then, suddenly, beginning in early April, it becomes a major issue. And one of the things you see in the paper, when you look at the data, is that the attention to the topic becomes much larger, the number of statements is high, and the set of actions associated with them is also high. And you just look one issue after the other, one spike after the other, and you see a tremendous change. And, in truth, the president responds to the stimulus bill by saying, Democrats want this; if they get what they want, Republicans will never be elected again. And right after that, you begin to see a series of waves of attention driven primarily by statements of political elites recirculated on FOX, on talk radio, on right-wing media, and obviously grabbing the attention of major mainstream professional journalists, because the president is saying it. And what the president is saying is often intentionally outrageous and norms-breaking in a way that forces itself into the headlines. SREENIVASAN: So, give me an example for people who don't study media. How does -- how is that frame set? Is it about the way that the headline is written? Is it about the way that the reporter is asking for a comment? BENKLER: Exactly. So, let me just give you one example. On May 1, the president tweets out a study that comes out of a conservative think tank, saying that 28 million ballots have disappeared between 2012 and 2018, a very specific statement. The day after, ProPublica comes out with a fact-check and says, this is bunk. But a couple of days later, the Associated Press comes out with a story of partisan bickering over mail-in voter fraud, where the lead says mail-in voting in the pandemic leads to partisan -- to disinformation social media. But it's not social media. It's actually the president. So that's the kind of thing that happens. You have a headline that says mail-in voters in some neutral -- mail-in voting in some neutral sense is contested. You have a lead that says, Republicans or the president said this, Democrats have long claimed that. And then in the next paragraph, it says there has been no -- historically, there's been no evidence of voter fraud. By contrast, by August, we saw more statements where the same -- the AP again will come back and say, on Thursday, the president continued his unsubstantiated claims aimed to undermine mail-in voting or some -- that wasn't quite as extreme as that, but will use much more of the techniques we know are important when dealing with propaganda or disinformation or even just fake news, which is, right up front, calling them unsubstantiated claims, calling them false, in order to make it easy for readers to understand that these are not normal statements, that these are not acceptable statements. SREENIVASAN: You mentioned the Associated Press. And most people are unaware of how the wire service works, how syndication works. What was the role there, when the AP puts out a story, and it shows up where? In lots of local papers, local TV sites? BENKLER: Yes. So, this was, again, one of those things where the nice things when you work with data is it sometimes teaches you something new. And as we looked at each of these peaks, suddenly, it turned out that a lot of the peaks in the stories that were associated also with the peaks in everything else, in Facebook and Twitter, a lot were just the same story over and over again duplicated on local TV stations, on city papers, on regional news sites. And so, when we analyzed it with text analysis, it became very clear that there were these communities of sites that were using syndication, most important in this regard, really, AP, local TV, online stations, also included a variety of stories from CNN and other stories. But, again, these are syndicated duplicated stories. And what's really important about this is that the -- when we look at survey evidence, not from our research, but, say, Pew, on where people say they get their news, there's a large segment of the American population that gets its news from local TV, from the traditional broadcast networks, ABC, CBS, and NBC. And, interestingly, it's these people -- and more people say that that's where they get their news, their primary source of news, than people who say from all social media put together. And what's interesting about the demographics of those people is that they are the least politically pre-committed. They're not watching FOX News or MSNBC all day. They're not interested in the 24-hour news cycle. They want to get a little bit of news, if that. And they're really focused on these sites that we pay almost no attention to. And those are the persuadables, right? The people who really might still change their minds about whether the election was legitimate or not, about whether it's safe to vote by mail or not, these are the people who are not paying so much attention. And what the survey evidence tells us is that they're also the ones who are most confused about whether mail-in voting really does or doesn't involve a lot of fraud. And so it's those outlets and those professional journalism who reach out to these people in the places where they are, in the local TV that they say always in surveys they trust the most, they're the ones who can help people say, no, actually, there's no evidence that there's voter fraud. SREENIVASAN: What role do Facebook and Twitter have in trying to tamp down this sort of disinformation? BENKLER: So, I think, first of all, remember, our study is focused on this one major issue. It's focused on this issue because we think it's important. We're not saying there aren't narrower, more discreet disinformation or -- campaigns or just fake news, false nonsense, circulating on social media. The implication is not social media doesn't matter at all or they should stop trying to stop nonsense. The implication is much more specific, which is that on this, the most important issue, that's not where things came. At the same time, the study we did here also fits what we saw in the 2016 election and the first year of the Trump presidency, which is work we have done in the past and published on, which is that Facebook and Twitter capture our imagination, because we're at a moment at which we imagine that technology is changing everything, but it turns out society is more complex. There are multiple scientific studies in the -- from the last three years who look specifically at fake news. And, repeatedly, what they find is that the people who are most exposed to the kind of fake news we think about, really completely fake sites, circulating on Facebook or being tweeted out by trolls, are a tiny proportion of the population, overwhelmingly represented by over 65-year-old, primarily conservatives. So, you have got a narrow segment of people who are already persuaded of a certain viewpoint looking for stories to feed their outrage. That's the model. But if you're actually trying to see what shapes the views of tens of millions of Americans, it turns out to be less about Facebook and Twitter, and more about a combination of the 24-hour news channels, the broadcast networks, local TV, radio. These turn out to still be much more important than we give them credit when we think about the media ecosystem. SREENIVASAN: So, what does a local TV news station do or what should they do? Or what does a headline writer at the Associated Press do? How do the press stop contributing to the disinformation campaign? BENKLER: I think what a headline writer needs to do is overcome deeply entrenched professional commitment to appear balanced and do the fact- checking first and the headline-writing later. Today, mostly, what we have are headlines that are neutral to make sure the media outlet, the local television station doesn't -- it doesn't appear to be taken a side. And then, at most, you have a fact-checking column or a fact-checking section separately. Instead, you need to say, is this true, is this false? If it's false, the headline itself needs to be saying, in this case, something like, President Trump once again trumps the false claims -- or trumpets the false claims of mail-in voter fraud, or, without basis, or, unsubstantiated claims, right in the headline. Then the lead needs to be again, on Tuesday, the president repeated unsubstantiated claims that he had been trying to make against voter fraud since the spring, so that, as the audience first encounters the news that the president has said this, or the RNC has issued a statement at that, that that's a statement that is inconsistent with the consensus research view of what actually has happened. And the method we see repeated again and again is that a story happens. Now, it's a real story. They're not made-up stories. Some stories are made up. But, sometimes, there's a real story. A mail carrier in West Virginia changes a few mail-in ballot requests for the primaries from Democrat to Republican, and then he's interviewed and said, himself, he thought it was funny. What happens is, that becomes evidence, and it gets picked up by the right- wing media ecosystem, sometimes by FOX, sometimes by online sites like Breitbart, sometimes by "The New York Post" or RealClearPolitics, and gets reported. And when you listen to the president, often, he will string together a set of such anecdotes from Paterson, New Jersey, West Virginia, Detroit. The core of the story is often true, but the significance is massively inflated. So that requires real education of the audience about the difference between, here, let me tell you a story, which is very powerful, and the actual statistical evidence, which is much harder for people to understand, and so requires careful attention and careful explanation to say, look, yes, there's a story here, there's a story there, but if you look at the overall picture, it's barely a handful of votes over years, over hundreds of millions of votes cast over years. And that needs to be said right out there, because anecdotes are very powerful and very vivid. And statistics are sometimes very difficult for people to understand. But when you look at voting of hundreds of millions of people, the anecdotes don't matter. They're a sideshow. SREENIVASAN: You're also asking for news to change its way of operation, especially in the context of what is considered breaking, right, to take more caution about that headline, to take more caution about that lead paragraph, especially in a culture where we think, oh, my gosh, I have to publish this right away to be either first or most relevant or win the social media algorithm game. BENKLER: I don't think there's a choice. I think the reality and recognizing the reality that, if you don't discipline yourself, as a professional journalist, to take the time to be a little more careful, you become complicit in a disinformation campaign that could disenfranchise millions, and, at least as dangerous, severely damage the perception of legitimacy of the outcome in the eyes of tens of millions of Americans. And if you become the instrument of propaganda, if you become the instrument of disinformation by being careless, how are you fulfilling your goal as the fourth estate? If your goal at the end of the state -- yes, of course, in the day to day, you're trying to get the headline, you're trying to be relevant, you're trying to be there ahead. But if you're faced with evidence that, in effect, these practices are making you complicit in a disinformation campaign, then I think it really is a matter of professional responsibility for journalists to stop and say, take the next 15 minutes. It's not take five hours. Take the next 15 minutes, be really careful about how true this is, or how much this is part of the disinformation campaign. Get used to shaping things that are part of the disinformation campaign so that you already have the habit of, how do you write such a headline? How do you write such a lead? How do you speak it? And learn how to do that. Otherwise, you really do become an instrument of a campaign that could undermine participation and could undermine the legitimacy of the election. SREENIVASAN: Yochai Benkler from the Berkman Klein Center For Internet & Society at Harvard University, thanks so much for joining us. BENKLER: Pleasure to be with you. AMANPOUR: And, finally, this year's Nobel Prize for Physics has been sucked into a black hole. The astronomer and UCLA professor Andrea Ghez shares the prize with colleague Reinhard Genzel from Berkeley University and Sir Roger Penrose of Oxford University. She's only the fourth woman to be awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics ever. And she's joining us now from Los Angeles. Welcome to the program, Professor, and congratulations. And you won for discovering a supermassive black hole. Can you just briefly, for the layperson, explain what -- why you won and what for? ANDREA GHEZ, NOBEL PRIZE WINNER: Well, I -- thanks so much. It's a pleasure to be here. And this work is being recognized for the discovery of a supermassive black hole. So, black holes are regions of space where the pull of gravity is so intense that nothing can escape it, not even light. But they are also objects that push the frontier of our knowledge of physics. So, they represent the breakdown of our knowledge of the physical world. We don't know how to actually describe the physics of black holes. So, it's very important to prove that these things actually exist. What we have demonstrated is that there are black holes that are a million times the mass of the sun, really, in the universe. And we have done this by looking at the center of the galaxy. These things seem -- we think, reside at the center of galaxies, and our galaxy is the closest example of a galactic center that we will ever have to work with. So, we have been able to create a laboratory right in our backyard. AMANPOUR: Well, look, it's obviously something that inspires you, and it's your passion. But what did inspire you as a very young girl to want to take up physics? It's not -- I mean, as we said, you're the fourth woman ever to win for physics in 119 years of the Nobel. What drew you, as a girl, to physics and science? GHEZ: Well, hindsight is 20/20. So my path wasn't a linear one to where I am today. I had a lot of passions, including, when I was young, wanting to be a ballerina. GHEZ: But, at the same time, I also saw the early moon landings. And I think that was the first time I was really captivated by the magic of thinking about the universe, the enormity. And I think I find it really humbling to realize that there's this universe that is so much bigger, and has lasted for so much longer than we have ever been here as human beings. AMANPOUR: And, apparently, your parents bought you a telescope after the moon landings that you were hooked on. And that really changed the landscape for you. And there are balloons in the background there. You obviously have been getting a lot of congratulations. Just how did you get the news? I mean, you're way away from Europe, where they would have, I guess, called the winners. What time was it? GHEZ: It was 2:00 a.m. when the house phone call -- phone rang. And the house usually -- phone doesn't usually ring in the middle of the night. So I was fast asleep. And at first, you think you're dreaming. And then you realize, this is not a dream. You're really being informed that you just won the Nobel Prize. And it is -- it is breathtaking. AMANPOUR: Yes, so, tell me, because, look, it's an amazing honor, obviously. And I just wonder what you think is going to come with this prize, because I heard Sir. Roger Penrose say that -- I mean, and he's 90 -- that he's glad he didn't win it when he was much younger, because I think it's -- his was for his paper written in the '60s on black holes, because there's so much other stuff that you have to do when you're a Nobel Prize winner. Are you worried about being deflected from your work by all the attention? Or how do you plan to navigate being a Nobel physicist? GHEZ: That's such an interesting question. And, of course, I haven't spent too much time yet grappling with it. I think it's a tremendous opportunity, because with it comes an ability to draw attention to one's scientific aspirations. But I think it is also true that it comes with great responsibilities. And I take that very seriously. GHEZ: Pardon me. Yes. AMANPOUR: No, no, no, sorry. Go ahead. GHEZ: In particular about urging young women into the sciences, it's something I have always been quite passionate about. And I think this -- I'm really delighted to be part of that opening the doors to the next generation of scientists. AMANPOUR: And, look, that was going to be my next question, because there are precious few women in science and awarded for their scientific work. We have heard -- and we don't need to go into it now -- that it's very difficult for women, in sort of a very male-dominated world, and many of them get pushed off the career ladder for all sorts of reasons. Do you do anything specific? I mean, do you talk to your classes, particularly girls and young women in your classes at UCLA, about getting stuck into this field? GHEZ: I think my belief is that being a role model is the most important thing that you can do, because I think if you see people that look like you or that are different than the majority, it encourages you to believe that you -- that this field is open to you. So, I do my best to be very open and do a lot of talking about my work just to share that passion. AMANPOUR: And is this it? I mean, now that you have all won for black holes, is that it? Is that all we need to know about black holes, or is there more? GHEZ: Oh, gosh no. I think we're just in the beginning. And that's what's so exciting right now. The work has just demonstrated that we have so much more to learn. And, in fact, there are many aspects of this work that have, in fact, opened more questions than answers. And, for me, this is like being a kid in the candy shop. There's a lot more to do. And I'm excited to continue this project. AMANPOUR: Well, congratulations. Thank you so much for joining us. And, as well, the Nobel Prize in Chemistry has been awarded to two female scientists, Emmanuelle Charpentier and also to Jennifer Doudna, who we have had on this show. Both have won for developing the gene editing technology called CRISPR. It's a breakthrough that can literally snip diseases out of our DNA. And that is it for now. You can always catch us online, on our podcast and across social media. Thanks for watching, and goodbye from London. END

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SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He said that he reason he had such a difficult time with the virus is because he was overweight. Since then, he's lost 26 pounds and is using his own recovery from the virus as a metaphor for the country's, promising that things will come back stronger than before. BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: Our special coverage continues now with Jake Tapper. Welcome JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: Welcome to THE LEAD. Jake Tapper. And we begin today with the politics lead and a new update, of sorts, from President Trump's physicians, commander Sean Conley. The note, characteristically brief and vague, does not give any specifics about the president's specific oxygen levels or the condition of his lungs or what medications President Trump may be taking, though, Conley says the president said today -- quote -- "I feel great!" -- with an explanation point. Conley says the president has been symptom-free for 24 hours as he battles coronavirus. We have not seen the president publicly since his return to the White House on Monday night. And despite the president's active coronavirus infection and a growing White House outbreak, aides are preparing for President Trump to leave the White House residence and return to the Oval Office perhaps as soon as today. So far, at least 19 people in President Trump's orbit have tested positive for the virus, 19 that we know of, that is. We still do not know when President Trump last tested negative. Just minutes ago, the White House deputy communications director refused to answer that question. It is significant, given that, if Trump was infected at the White House on Saturday, September 26, as many White House aides are suggesting, we do not know if President Trump had the virus on Air Force One that night, or whether he had the virus at an event for Gold Star families the next day, or whether he had the virus at the debate in Ohio Tuesday, or whether he had the virus in Minnesota on Wednesday, or whether he had the virus in New Jersey on Thursday. So, when did President Trump last test negative? The White House refuses to answer that question with any specificity. And it's a matter of public health, really. Why won't they tell us? This outbreak now the backdrop of the first and only vice presidential debate tonight between Vice President Mike Pence, who has not been quarantining, and Senator Kamala Harris, which is set to begin in just a few hours. CNN White House correspondent Kaitlan Collins joins me live. And, Kaitlan, we haven't seen the president since Monday, but his doctor says that the president said today -- quote -- "I feel great!" Walk us through what is in this latest health update, as -- such as it is, and, just as important, what the president's doctor still is refusing to tell us. KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Jake, it's not clear why they quoted the president in what was supposed to be this medical update about his condition. That's really something that political aides have been doing, updating us on the president's feelings lately. But that is something that Dr. Conley felt the need to include in this very brief statement. And we have not actually seen Dr. Conley since Monday. He hasn't taken questions from reporters since then. And since the president returned to the White House, he has only issued these written statements instead to give us these updates, where, of course, there are a lot of things that are still going left unsaid. Like, for example, in this statement today, he talks about how the president now has antibodies detected in his system, but he doesn't say whether or not that's because the president got an antibody cocktail in recent days. Those are questions we could ask Dr. Conley if he was briefing reporters in-person, just like what those lung scans showed, if the president is still contagious, in his opinion, all of these questions that are critical to what's going on with the president. But we just are not getting those answers, Jake. And the White House isn't saying if Dr. Conley has got a briefing scheduled. And so, instead, we're relying on political aides that were asking questions, people like Brian Morgenstern, who is a deputy press secretary at the White House, pretty much one of the only people left still going into work because of all the cases and quarantines happening. And he said last night he did not know the answer to the question of when the president last tested negative. He clearly hasn't learned that in the last several hours. And, Jake, of course, the assumption is that either they actually genuinely do not know when the president last tested negative for coronavirus, or it's an embarrassing answer, and they don't want to reveal it, which is why they say they don't want to go backwards and look at past records to give us that answer. TAPPER: It's a basic question. And it's important when it comes to contact tracing, which they claim they're doing and have actually completed. It's also a question as to whether or not the White House has been honest with us when they say the president was tested every day. Now, the White House has set up temporary offices for President Trump in order to try to keep him out of the West Wing. But we have heard from members of the president's team. They are making it clear that he wants to get out, he wants to go to the Oval Office, potentially. How are they preparing for a contagious president to enter the West Wing? COLLINS: Well, they say they're taking precautions. We have been told by sources they have got this isolation card stationed outside the Oval Office. It's got these yellow hospital gowns, respirators, goggles for people to wear if they do come into contact with the president, though it's not clear if that's only the precautions that they're going to take or what they're going to do about deciding who actually gets to meet with the president. Because, Jake, if they do go into the Oval wearing full PPE, it looks a lot different than what aides have been doing, where, just a week ago, they were not even wearing just a mask, a cloth mask inside the West wing. So, they say these precautions are being taken, though it's raising questions about whether or not that's enough, whether the president should be in the Oval Office. But they have made clear that the president is eager to get back into the West wing because there was actually some confusion this morning about whether or not he had gone into the Oval yesterday, with Larry Kudlow telling CNBC that he actually had gone down. But we were told Larry Kudlow is not at the White House, he did not know the answer to that. And the chief of staff, Mark Meadows, said he was not in the Oval Office yesterday, but they were preparing for him to be there today -- Jake. TAPPER: And, Kaitlan, and what's this about a video that President Trump apparently recorded? It was recorded yesterday. It hasn't been made public. And, also, we haven't seen the president since Monday. Do we have any idea if that's going to change? COLLINS: No, because we actually just asked the press secretary that, and they did not give us an indication of whether or not he's actually going to be appearing in front of us, whether live or tape, in the next few hours or days or so, because we haven't seen him since he climbed those steps to go back to the White House. And my colleague Jeff Zeleny was told that he did record a video that they were going to release yesterday. But, Jake, they never released it. And so it's not really clear why. They had kind of been their tactic while he was at Walter Reed to release these videos show that he was OK. But we have not actually laid eyes on the president since he went back to the White House two days ago. TAPPER: All right, Kaitlan Collins, thanks so much. Keep us posted, please. Joining us now to discuss, the associate dean of global health at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, Dr. Michael Saag. Dr. Saag, thanks for joining us. First, can I just say, does it make any sense to you as to why President Trump and the White House would not disclose when he last tested negative, given the fact that they believe, the White House believes he was maybe infected on Saturday, September 26, and, since then, has been an event with reporters, has been an event with Gold Star families, has traveled to Ohio, has traveled to Minnesota, has traveled to New Jersey? It would seem like it's a matter of public health that the country needs to know. DR. MIKE SAAG, INFECTIOUS DISEASE EXPERT, UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM: Well, I agree. And I'm not sure. Your guess is as good as mine as to why they're not releasing it. In addition to the public health issues, there's also estimates of how long he will remain infectious, which is important in terms of debate planning and all that, but also just in terms of the natural course of infection. Once somebody gets infected, it's two to five days to develop symptoms. And then, from that point forward, there's a lot of things that we would expect in terms of symptoms, signs, degree of illness. So, all those things would add up if we knew the date of infection. TAPPER: So the president's doctor issued this letter saying that the president has been fever-free for four days, symptom-free for 24 hours, has not needed additional oxygen since he was hospitalized at Walter Reed. What do you make of the information? SAAG: Well, trying to add this together, if he had symptoms bad enough, let's say, Thursday, Friday to bring him to Walter Reed, and also get those three medicines that he got, the two antivirals and the dexamethasone, that implies to me that he was moderately ill, and that fits. When I watched him walk up the stairs to the Truman Balcony on Monday night, I saw him short-winded, I saw him suppressing a cough. That added up. To say that he's symptom-free completely today doesn't add up, at least in my experience, having had the infection. I also had moderate disease. It took me eight days, maybe 10 for the symptoms to begin to resolve. Now, maybe those medicines made a difference. But I have never seen a patient get that well that fast. The fact that we're not seeing him out in public, where we can look for ourselves and see how he looks, tells me that he may not be totally symptom-free. But what I would expect is that he does have some lingering symptoms and the fever could be gone. That adds up. TAPPER: What do you make of these letters from Commander Conley in terms of what they do not disclose? For instance, we still do not know how low his oxygen count got. We don't know what medications he is taking today. He told us a few days ago, but there hasn't been an update. Really, it's a lot more questions than answers I have after reading these documents over and over. SAAG: Yes, the right way, in my opinion, to do this is to have a face-to-face with the press, answer questions, be forthcoming. The occult sort of messaging doesn't really tell us much, and it leaves us using almost divining rods to determine what's going on. But, in my view, the fact that they're not coming out with information is -- no news is not good news, in my opinion, that we -- if there was great news, we'd hear the data, what -- his blood pressure, his respiratory rate, his oxygen levels, a little bit more detail, and be able to answer questions. So, we're left just sitting here guessing at this point. TAPPER: Yes, and that's your responses as a physician. My response, as a journalist, is, when you're not providing information, there's a reason you're not providing information. The information is information you don't want the public to know. The doctor also said that President Trump tested positive for antibodies. The company that makes the experimental antibody treatment that Trump was on said that the treatment could have affected the blood test. What does that mean for his recovery? SAAG: Well, that's a great point. The antibody that -- there's actually two antibodies in the product that he received on Friday, the Regeneron product, and it has antibodies precisely against the spike protein of the virus. And that's what you look for when you do the antibody test. Normally, what we would expect is that, by about day 10 to 14 after infection, we can start to detect natural antibodies. So, my guess is that, if his antibody test is positive, OK, he had the Regeneron product. Plus, it doesn't mean anything in terms of clinical recovery necessarily for antibody to turn positive, even under the natural immunity responses. TAPPER: So, there's all this information that Commander Conley is not giving us, but he did give us the information that Trump said -- quote -- "I feel great!" not the kind of thing normally you see in a letter from a physician, especially the exclamation point, if I might add. You have had coronavirus. You have treated patients with coronavirus. Trump is less than a week into testing positive, as far as we know. From your experience, do you think that the worst of it is over for the president? SAAG: It's hard to say. But, in my case, in the case of a lot of patients that I take care of, the first seven days are kind of mild, relatively speaking. Day 10 is when things start to turn south, eight to 10. And so that's -- he's right at about that point right now. And so, ordinarily, assume he got no therapy, he should be feeling worse today, according to natural history, turning the corner at about day 14. So the question remains, what did the antibody treatment, the remdesivir that he got, and the steroids -- they are known to shorten the course of infection, so I wouldn't be surprised that he would get better by now. I wouldn't expect him at all to be well, and perhaps not even into the weekend. So he's still got a lot to fight in terms of this infection, based on its natural course. TAPPER: Well, I know we all hope that he's feeling better and that he gets better. We also would like more information and more transparency. Dr. Michael Saag, thank you so much for your time today and your expertise. One person just called the White House in the most dangerous place in the country. That's next. And has any industry taken it on the chin harder than air travel? An inside look at how thousands are struggling because millions are not flying anywhere, as Trump teases possible new aid.

Vice Presidential Debate Set For Tonight

Vizepräsidentschaftsdebatte wird für heute Abend angesetzt

副总统辩论定于今晚举行

BLITZER: The breaking news this hour President Trump taking briefings inside the Oval Office leaving the White House residence, walking around the White House complex despite his COVID infection. CNN has learned that White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Social Media Advisor Dan Scavino were with the President in the Oval Office and that they wore personal protective equipment. Joining us now to discuss that and more Democratic senator, former presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. Senator Warren, thank you so much for joining us. So you see, the President of the United States is battling the same virus that has now killed more than 211,000 Americans. But instead of following the CDC guidelines and isolating, he's back in the Oval Office with staff tonight. So what kind of example is the President setting? SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA): Well, he's setting the same kind of example he has set from the beginning. He demonstrates both his self- absorption that all he cares about is Donald Trump. And he also demonstrates his incompetence, that they really can't seem to understand the importance of getting this virus under control. And the only way that's going to happen is if we listen to the scientists, if we follow their guidelines, and if we do our best to keep each other safe, and Donald Trump just doesn't get that. He just cannot seem to think outside the shell of Donald Trump. BLITZER: The House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has noted in her words that medical doctors say that steroids, in addition to the coronavirus, could have an impact on someone's judgment. She added that she'd leave it up to the doctors to say for certain. What do you make of the President's behavior in the wake of his diagnosis? WARREN: Look, I don't know. And I leave that up to the doctors. But what I do know is that COVID has killed 211,000 Americans. People are dying by the hundreds every single day. And we need leadership from the White House. Donald Trump has proven time and again, that he is not only incapable of leading, he is actually putting more Americans at risk. He does it in a very personal way right now, by going into the Oval Office, by exposing people, by walking through hallways. And he does it by example. In effect, saying to millions of people across this country, what was it? Don't let COVID dominate you? Are you kidding me? This is a potentially fatal virus, you know? And that's why it is that November 3 is so important. Why it is so important to have Joe Biden in the White House, to have a leader who cares and a leader who is confident. BLITZER: More than 700 Americans, by the way, died just yesterday, in one day. The President tweeted yesterday he was ending the stimulus negotiations with the Democrats up on Capitol Hill. But before walking that back a few hours later in signaling, maybe he is open to some talks. If you're one of the millions of Americans right now, who were in desperate, desperate need of federal assistance, where does that leave you? WARREN: And it leaves you out in the cold. That's where Donald Trump and the Republicans have put him put them. People need help. People are dying, people are out of work. People are not going to be able to make their rent payments or their mortgage payments. People are facing losing their jobs and losing their health insurance. And all Donald Trump can focus on at this point is stealing another Supreme Court seat so that they will be able to take away health care from 10s of millions of people in the middle of a pandemic. This is wrong. So many different ways. And this is why it November 3 is so important and getting Donald Trump out and getting Joe Biden in is so important. BLITZER: Let's turn senator to tonight's highly anticipated vice presidential debate. The former Republican Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin who has been helping a Vice President Pence prepare for the debate. He told Fox that Pence plans to paint Senator Kamala Harris as part of the radical left. If Senator Harris defends against those attacks by let's say, distancing yourself from two signature progressive policies, Medicare for All, the Green New Deal, what message will that send to progressives in your party who Biden and Harris clearly will lead big time in order to win this election? WARREN: Oh, please. Kamala is going to talk about how Republicans are trying to take away health care coverage from millions of Americans in the middle of a pandemic. And if she talks about that over and over and over during the debate tonight, the 10s of millions, hundreds of millions of people in this country who say that they want people to be able to keep their healthcare coverage, that they want to expand health care coverage for Americans, they know who they need to vote for in November. You know, if you had to pick a single issue that divides the Republicans from the Democrats more clearly it's healthcare, because on the one hand what the Republicans are trying to do right now is they are in court. They're going to be in the United States Supreme Court in November, trying to get the Affordable Care Act overturned, trying to take away health care from people, trying to let insurance companies discriminate against people with preexisting conditions. What the Democrats are for is expanded health care coverage. That's what we get out there and fight for. We believe that health care is a basic human right. And we want Americans to have health care coverage, and we are willing to work toward that end. And to me that's what this 2020 election is about just in a nutshell. BLITZER: You're you make an important point, because the Supreme Court will hear those arguments for and against the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare on November 10. Exactly one week after the election. This is going to be a huge, huge issue. Senator Warren, thank you so much for joining us. WARREN: Thank you. Good to see you. BLITZER: Thank you. Coming up, as many as 400,000 coronavirus deaths in the United States, this winter details of what Dr. Anthony Fauci is now warning. Plus, the disturbing new number of cases, they're on the rise right now in half the country. We'll be right back.

Interview With Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)

Interview mit Senatorin Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)

马萨诸塞州民主党参议员伊丽莎白·沃伦的专访

KING: President Trump today gives himself a clean bill of health, this less than one week after telling us he had tested positive for coronavirus. TRUMP: I don't think I'm contagious at all. Well, first of all, if I'm at a rally, I stand by myself very far away from everybody so whether I was or not. But I still wouldn't go to a rally if I was contagious. KING: Joining us now, CNN medical analyst Dr. Amy Compton-Phillips. Dr. Compton-Phillips, good to see you today. We can't answer that question. The president says I don't think I'm contagious now. We can't answer that question because the White House doctor keeps putting out vague statements every day, and we have no idea, number one, what the president's -- the treatment right now. And number two, the last time he tested negative. Does what you just head make any sense to you, or do you trust it? DR. AMY COMPTON-PHILLIPS, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: Well, you know, unfortunately, it's not what CDC guidance says is actually safe. So, what the CDC says is that anybody with mild or moderate symptoms should isolate for 10 days because they're at risk of infecting others for 10 days. Anybody with serious illness should isolate for up to 20 days. And because the president got dexamethasone, the concern is did he have serious illness? Should he be looking at 20 days of isolation, not just 10 days. So, no. We can't just go based on symptoms. KING: Well, it would be nice if we would hear more details from his medical team about that. About the course of treatment, whether in the case of the steroid you just mentioned. Were they just being extra aggressive because he's the president and his conditions actually more modest, more moderate or did he have a serious illness? It would be nice if we knew that information. Instead, we have to listen to at times. The president playing doctor on TV. This is the president talking about his experimental treatment. TRUMP: We have drugs now that we didn't even know about four months ago, like Regeneron, like -- and I'm not even talking about remdesivir. Remdesivir, you know, it's fine. But the Regeneron was -- I view it as a cure, not just a therapeutic, I view it as a cure because I took it. KING: Regeneron is a company. It is not the treatment. The treatment is a monoclonal antibody treatment the president received. He calls it Regeneron. That's not what it's called. That is the company that makes it. But again, is it a cure? It's an experimental drug. The company says they believe it is helpful. What do we know about it? COMPTON-PHILLIPS: Well, we do know that what the antibody cocktail does -- first of all, there's two different doses that are in clinical trials right now. They're not proven as a cure. They are definitely being investigated and they're promising. But there's two doses, one is 2.4 milligrams, one is 8 milligrams. The president got the high dose. What those antibodies do, think about the spikes on the coronavirus. Those antibodies buy into the spikes, the proteins on the ends and keep the virus from joining up with cells. And so, they lower the infection rate. Which is - which is not the same thing as a cure, right? And, by the way, again, matter of semantics about cure versus therapeutic. If you had KING: In this year of everyday, things we never experience before. There's a new one this morning and it's "The New England Journal of Medicine" for the first time in its 208-year history deciding to get involved in politics. This is the editorial they write. "When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs." How significant do you view it? That's "The New England Journal of Medicine" which is where we look for studies on cancer and studies on COVID and studies on everything else has decided it wanted to step forward for the first time in more than 200 years and say we need a new president. COMPTON-PHILLIPS: I would say that "The New England Journal" is channeling what many of us in the scientific and medical community have been saying for several months. That we have to depend on science. We have to depend on the evidence. We have to depend on what has historically been a political organization to look at what is it we should be doing to keep our country safe and move us forward. And unfortunately, between misinformation and conspiracy theories, that belief in science and progress has gotten politicized. And so, what "The New England Journal" is doing is actually putting into words what those of us on the ground trying to fight an epidemic of misinformation along with an epidemic of a viral pathogen have been doing now for many months. KING: Dr. Amy Compton-Phillips, as always, grateful for your expertise and insights. Thank you for your time. COMPTON-PHILLIPS: Thank you. KING: And still ahead for us, as just discussed with the doctor there, coronavirus is making a very troublesome comeback. More than half of the 50 states trending up right now.

Trump Touts Regeneron Antibody Cocktail as COVID-19 "Cure".

Trump wirbt für den Regeneron-Antikörper-Cocktail als COVID-19-\"Heilung\".

特朗普吹捧再生素抗体鸡尾酒是新冠肺炎的治愈药

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Those rising numbers are forcing state leaders to impose new restrictions geared towards curbing the spread. JIM SCIUTTO, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, it's a shame because you wonder if simple steps like mask-wearing more broadly could have prevented this. CNN's Alexandra Field joins us now from New York. Alexandra, take us what's happening nationwide especially in Wisconsin now, where they're seeing a real surge in both cases and hospitalizations. ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, and the state is sending a very clear signal that this is real and that they need to prepare to handle what could be a continued surge in hospitalizations. We've seen Wisconsin, over the last few days, continually breaking records for the number of cases, for the number of deaths, for the number of hospitalizations -- just yesterday. Now, the state has announced that they will open up a pop-up hospital on the state fairgrounds as early as next week. That is in order to bring some relief to the state hospital system that will feel (ph) the effects of this surge. And this is not just limited to Wisconsin. You've got public health officials who are concerned about increases in hospitalizations in seven other states across the Midwest and out toward the western part of the country. At the same time right here in New York, where you have one of the lowest positivity rates across the nation, officials are concerned about a cluster of cases. This is a cluster that has affected parts of Brooklyn and Queens. You've seen city and state officials ramping up restrictions over the past week. But today, a new plan goes into effect. The hardest hit areas have been designated as red zones. People living in those red zones will face very strict restrictions, the closing of nonessential businesses, the closing of schools, limits on religious gatherings of just 10 people and restaurants will only be open for take-out. As you get a little bit farther away from those red zones, the restrictions ease up. Officials are saying this is a way of directly targeting the most affected areas without rolling back reopening for the entire city. The hope, of course, is that this will work -- Jim, Poppy. HARLOW: Let's really hope so because -- SCIUTTO: Yes. HARLOW: -- New York had gotten on such a good track. Alex, thanks for that reporting. Ahead for us, another 840,000 first-time unemployment claims just last week, but there is one group of Americans who are facing an unemployment rate almost double the national average. We're talking about veterans. Our reporting on that, next.

Wisconsin to Construct Pop-Up Hospital

Wisconsin baut Pop-Up-Krankenhaus

威斯康星州将建一所临时医院

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN HOST: It's time for the best part of the night. CNN Tonight with its big star, D. Lemon right now. DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Best part show you're right. Show you are right. Listen, no laughing matter, though. I saw you with the governor. Man, that is some scary, scary, scary stuff. But I don't hear anybody in 1600 -- I'm sorry, not 1600, Black Lives Matter Avenue saying anything about it. CUOMO: I mean, look, first of all, Whitmer is a cool cat. I don't know how she's so composed. This isn't what you and I deal with. You know, this isn't a couple of jerks on Twitter who are saying stupid things that are going to get them a call from the local authorities. This was weeks of planning from guys, over a dozen at least, maybe more, who wanted weapons and training and coordinated action with other groups to go after her and take her or hurt her. And it is the number one terror threat in this country. LEMON: No way. Do you remember when I said that -- and I mean, you would have thought -- do you remember when I said that a while ago? CUOMO: Yes, I don't remember that as the origination of the truth of it, but yes, I do remember you saying. LEMON: And what happened? CUOMO: Well, you know, can't have black guys saying that white people are the problem, Don. I keep telling you that. LEMON: That's the truth though. CUOMO: Yes, I know. LEMON: But, you know, you've got the other scary people that we demonize because of their religion -- CUOMO: Yes. LEMON: -- but not these guys. CUOMO: Look, Islam hates us, right? LEMON: Yes. CUOMO: That's what the president says. They just apparently don't hate us as much as these homegrown angry white guys that are constantly finding ways to threaten American democracy because that's what the people who are in the business of stopping terror say. LEMON: Yes. CUOMO: Why would they waste their time with guys that they're not worried about? LEMON: But yet over on the favorite channel, the president is saying -- CUOMO: He's talking about how hard it is for fish to live without water? LEMON: No, he did say that. CUOMO: I mean -- LEMON: But he's also saying, yes, well, you know, it was my Justice Department who sent -- who arrested -- CUOMO: Yes, he said it in the tweet. LEMON: Yes. CUOMO: My, capitalize it. LEMON: My. The Justice Department. It's the people's department, not his Justice Department. CUOMO: My, only capital. LEMON: But everything he throws out is scary because he didn't say anything like it. But the next words when asked about those kinds of things, it's antifa. CUOMO: Three tweets or whatever three blocks of tweets. LEMON: Yes. CUOMO: No mention of these groups except as contained in the word any. LEMON: How much does he talk about or tweet about antifa? He threw every -- CUOMO: He -- LEMON: Chris, I got to tell you this. He threw every scary thing against it. Antifa, Joe Biden is going to -- the suburbs are going to go crazy. They're not going to be -- LEMON: His response to Whitmer getting targeted is Whitmer sucks. She sucks for locking down her state. LEMON: Wow. CUOMO: My people helped her out. She didn't even say thank you and calls me a white supremacist, which she didn't. Biden and the Democrats refuse to condemn antifa by name, anarchists, looters. LEMON: There you go. CUOMO: And mobs that burn down Democrat-run cities. I don't tolerate any extreme violence. Never mentions the number one terror threat in this country. I have someone on who worked in homeland security. She says they were not allowed to mention the threat because he didn't want to hear it. LEMON: No, no, that's not true. Do you know what it reminds me of though as I sit here and watch? This is when we were back at the old place, right? I would sit and watch the favorite channel and it would be the New Black Panthers or it would be acorn and now it's antifa. It's everything is scary. He do everything. He said those words, the antifa. He said Joe Biden is going to raise your taxes and it's going to be worse than 1929 Depression that the suburbs were going to -- Joe Biden was going to change the suburbs and they were going to be more violent than the cities. I mean, every scary thing that he could throw out, it is -- he sounds desperate. It is unbelievable how desperate he sounds. This man holdup in the White House hopped up on steroids and rage tweeting and calling into his favorite channel rage interviewing. CUOMO: He's embarrassing to the people who support him because there are people with legitimate senses of humiliation and frustration and disinfection and they want a change agent, somebody who fights back against the system that they see is unequal. That's the irony is that, the fight for systemic inequality involves white and black people. And now they've got to defend this. They've got to own this. I've just never seen anything like it. Somebody who is so disrespectful to the people he's supposed to be all about. LEMON: Well, I thank you for pointing out that it's time for us to -- that people need to come together instead of pitting us against each other. He should be -- he should be denouncing these groups and tweeting about them as much as he does the other guys. I've got to run though. I'll see you soon. CUOMO: I love you, D. Lemon. LEMON: I love you too, brother. Thank you very much. So, let's get this show underway. This is CNN Tonight. I'm don Lemon. And I have a couple of questions for you and then I'm going to show you some of the evidence, right. We're going to help figure out what's happening. We heard about it tonight, a little bit from an interview. And we're going to play some of it for you. But what is going on inside of that building that you see on the screen right there, the people's house. Remember it? The Obama's called it the people's house. What is going on inside of this house? Well, we know this house had to be fumigated, sterilized, disinfected because it's a coronavirus hot spot. There was a super spreader event there. So, we know that much at least. But what's really happening behind those walls? Behind closed doors? You know, the old folks used to say, look, you don't know what's going on behind closed doors. We can -- there's a lot of evidence what's happening in there though. The president just called in to Sean Hannity, threw a kitchen sink full of conspiracy theories and lies at his base. As I said, he is desperate, desperate to hit the trail even though he may still be infected with a deadly contagious virus. Listen. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think I'm going to try doing a rally on Saturday night if we can -- if we have enough time to put it together. But we want to do a rally in Florida -- probably in Florida on Saturday night. Might come back and do one in Pennsylvania in the following night. And it's incredible what's going on. I feel so good. SEAN HANNITY, HOST, FOX NEWS: Have you had a test since your diagnosis a week ago? TRUMP: Well, what we're doing is probably the test will be tomorrow. LEMON: We haven't -- think about this. We haven't seen the president with our own eyes since Monday except for a weird proof of life propaganda video or videos where he wears a ton of makeup and waves his hands around and says that he's cured and promises all kinds of miracle treatments. Sounds like a snake oil salesman, right? Remember the miracle treatment guy would come to -- just put some -- rub some of this on and it'll take care of what ails you, disinfectant. Bleach. We get letters from his doctor that says things like, the president says, I feel great. And based on the trajectory of advanced diagnostics -- what is that? Have you ever heard that from your doctor? What? Because of that trajectory of diagnostics, he'll be cleared to hit the trail this weekend. This is what's happening, OK? Speak to anyone. Look up the kind of steroids he's taking and talk to someone who is either administered them or someone who is taking them. Pumped up on a powerful, on powerful steroids and infected with a potentially deadly virus, changing his mind like New York City taxi drivers change lanes. His staff has been contaminated with the coronavirus, possibly by him. He could be patient zero. The West Wing virtually empty because of their own recklessness. And now they want to take their super spreader tour on the road, super spreader 2020, while they are still covering up the first series of events by refusing to release when he last tested negative, if he was being tested at all. What? Why should we -- why would anyone believe him? His words matter. Those words, they put the lives of Americans at risk. Remember the American carnage the president talked about in his inauguration speech? He has stoked it for the last four years with his unhinged rhetoric and his actions. So, just as an example, why don't we use -- let's use the coronavirus as an example. More than 212,000 Americans are dead. And guess what he's doing. He is trying to blame gold star families, the families of fallen troops for his own infection, ignoring his Rose Garden super spreader event just the day before. TRUMP: They want to hug me and they want to kiss me. And they do. And frankly, I'm not telling them to back up. I'm not doing it. But I did say it's like, you know, it's obviously dangerous. It's a dangerous thing, I guess, if you go by the COVID thing. LEMON: He is inciting Americans to disregard our own safety, the president. He's mocking Joe Biden for wearing a mask, making false promises of cures. His own former vaccine director telling Jake Tapper at the president's promotion of unproven drugs is shameful. RICHARD BRIGHT, FORMER DIRECTOR, HHS BIOMEDICAL ADVANCED RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY: It's shameful what is happening from the White House from this president and his senior administration officials in pushing unproven drugs forward as a panacea, as a miracle cure, as a cure-all, as a gift from God, all the ways that they describe these treatments without any evidence behind them. And pushing them forward, encouraging free wide access to Americans, in some cases where Americans didn't even need to be diagnosed with COVID-19. Knowing that these drugs could cause significant harm, these drugs could cause death even. It's reckless for the president and his administration to promote these. LEMON: Remember hydroxychloroquine that he shorthanded? Hydroxy and then the folks at state TV started saying hydroxy. They say hydroxy. Guess what drug he did not take when he went to the hospital last week. No mention of hydroxy. Yet this president continues to downplay the virus. TRUMP: So, I'm sitting in the Oval Office behind that beautiful Resolute desk, the great Resolute desk. I think wearing a face mask as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, I don't know, I don't see it for myself. I said supposing you brought the light inside the body in which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too? It sounds interesting. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'll get the right folks who could. TRUMP: Right. And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs. We have done an incredible job. We're going to continue. It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle. LEMON: But he -- if you ask him or his followers, he never said that, even if you show them the evidence. He didn't say that. OK, he said it, but that's not what he meant. He said it but it's OK because, he said it but, he said it, he said it, but, but, but, but, he said it. How many excuses? Come on. If your child did that, you would correct them. Stop making excuses for this man. And this is not about ideology or Democrat versus Republican. This is about the behavior of a person who is supposed to be the leader of this country. Not leading at all, holding back information and evidence from you, lying to you. What this president says matters, all presidents. But his words matter. So, let's talk about the vigilante plot to kidnap Michigan's governor, overthrow several state governments. OK? Governor Whitmer who has been a vocal opponent and a target of this president, escaping what the FBI and the state attorney general say was a domestic terror plot. Thirteen people charged because they were angry about the lockdowns in the state in the middle of a pandemic. They were angry about lockdowns. Really? I know it's hard out -- it's hard for people out there. But how many people are plotting to overthrow their government? According to the criminal complaint, one suspect specifically claimed, or complained, I should say, about Michigan controlling the openings of gyms. Referring to the governor as, quote, "this tyrant b-word," except they didn't say b-word, they said the actual word. And adding, I don't know boys, we've got to do something. Who do you think you are? You have to do something? What? Does that mean overthrowing the government, going after a sitting governor? How is it your responsibility? Why do you feel so entitled that you have to do something about it? What you have to do is take a seat. Sit. Sit down. And a long time in jail it seems for now. The governor specifically blaming the president and his failure to condemn far right groups, saying his words are a rallying cry and a call to action. GOV. GRETCHEN WHITMER (D-MI): Just last week, the President of the United States stood before the American people and refused to condemn white supremacists and hate groups like these two Michigan militia groups. Stand back and stand by, he told them. Stand back and stand by. Hate groups heard the president's words not as a rebuke but as a rallying cry, as a call to action. When our leaders speak, their words matter. They carry weight. When our leaders meet with, encourage, or fraternize with domestic terrorists, they legitimize their actions and they are complicit. When they stoke and contribute to hate speech, they are complicit. LEMON: Now you'll remember the president stoked that anger for political purposes in all caps. The tweet was back in April, liberate Michigan. Protesters and vigilantes, some armed, they stormed the grounds of the Michigan Capitol. And then just last month at a rally, he kept up his attacks. TRUMP: You would be doing even better if you had a governor that knew what the hell she was doing. You've got to open up the state. LEMON: Asked today if he thought the president's liberate Michigan tweet encouraged vigilante groups, Joe Biden said yes. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Yes, I do. There is no place for hate in America. And both of us have been talking about this for some time, about how white supremacists and these militias are a genuine threat. I've got to compliment the FBI and police agencies for what they did and how they've stepped up. But look, the words of a president matter. You've heard me say this before. They can cause a nation to have the market rise or fall, go to war, bring peace. But they can also breathe oxygen into those that are filled with hate and danger. And I just think it's got to stop. LEMON: Can you ever -- can you imagine this president ever saying anything like that? Never. Never unity. Always division. What the president says matters. His words matter. Let's talk about this president's dehumanizing attacks on Kamala Harris. You saw her in the video there with the former vice president. She's a sitting United States senator and vice-presidential candidate, calling her a monster and a communist. TRUMP: And this monster that was on stage with Mike Pence who destroyed her last night by the way, she's a communist. She's not a socialist. She's well beyond a socialist. LEMON: As we would say, as we say, who raised you? Who raised you? Are you that desperate to win an election that you have to call a sitting U.S. senator a communist and a monster? Show some respect. She is someone's mother. She's someone's wife. And she was elected to office to serve the people just like you were. Show some respect. And guess what. Senator Harris is the first black and South Asian woman to run for vice president. We see you. I see what you're doing. It's not even a dog whistle. But we expect nothing less because you have showed us who you are, a bigot and a racist. You call her a monster. It's not politics as usual when you do that. It is vile and it is dangerous and it is disgusting. And someone should call it out and I am here to do it. I'm here for you people. People listen to this president. They take what he says seriously. Words do matter. This president's words matter. And never more than right now with millions of Americans already going to the polls, millions more set to vote in 26 days. Mask up and vote. Or do it early. But get to the polls and do it. Kaitlan Collins, Sara Sidner, both join me now. Good evening to both of you. Kaitlan, I should have said when I started at the top about what's going on behind the wall, I should have said, to be a fly on the wall at the White House. I got that right in the middle and I said I missed an opportunity. So, we haven't seen the president. We don't know his test results now or his past ones because there's the ongoing cover up. He is acting erratically. And tonight, he is refusing to answer if he has been tested again. KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes. And Don, he was even asked three times in a friendly interview with Sean Hannity has he been tested since he was tested last Thursday and tested positive. And the president purposefully was not answering any of those questions and then he later said that he would get tested tomorrow and said he doesn't believe there's a reason to test all the time. And even tried to imply he was potentially never infected with coronavirus, though of course we know his doctors have said otherwise. But, Don, during his interview with Sean Hannity, you heard the president several times having to clear his throat and cough a little bit. And it's important to reminds viewers, we have not independently seen the president since he got back to the White House on Monday. Instead, we've just seen these videos produced by the White House, edited by the White House. And we haven't actually seen him ourselves and we also have not asked his doctor questions either since Monday. He is only putting out these statements and not putting out questions -- or not taking questions from reporters. But now the president says he's potentially going to hold a rally this Saturday night, he says in Florida, maybe or in Pennsylvania, though we still don't even know if the president has actually gotten a negative result yet, Don. And you have to think that if he did, he would probably have told us by now. LEMON: Sara, I want to turn to Michigan. There's a serious story going on right there, serious investigation. Thirteen people charged in a plot to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Who are they and why do they want to do this? What is going on with this group? SARA SIDNER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it's interesting and really scary actually when you consider what had sparked this. Some of what had sparked this and their anger, and their anger that has pushed them to want to kidnap the governor according to the FBI and state authorities has partly to do with the coronavirus. And why is the coronavirus involved? Because the governor had mandated masks. Because of some of the precautions to try to save lives that the governor had put in place and the state had in place. They felt like that was tyrannical and they wanted to overthrow the government according to the complaint. The plan according to the complaint was that they were going to instigate some of them a civil war to cause the government to unravel, to target member of law enforcement in order to do that, to storm the capitol building in Lancing, and kidnap government officials. Their main target according to the court documents was Governor Gretchen Whitmer who talked about this. She was -- her house apparently was surveilled. Her vacation home surveilled not once but twice. And you're also hearing these really disturbing details about the leader of this group being recording saying she should just grab the b-word because at that point, you know, that it's over, dude. And then they talk about what they were doing. It wasn't just talking about it. It wasn't just conversing on social media. It was also actually doing training for this and buying things like explosives. They purchased a laser according to the government and the group successfully detonated an improvised explosive device wrapped with shrapnel to try to use it as an antipersonnel capability. And they wanted to blow up the bridge to stop police from being able to get to her quickly if they were to be able to kidnap her from her home. These are really disturbing details and certainly it has turned political as well. Don? LEMON: Sara, Kaitlan, thank you. Sara, please be safe. Thank you very much you guys. I'll see you soon. The plot against the governor of Michigan was deadly serious, conducting surveillance testing and testing and explosives, I should say. I'm going to ask Lieutenant Governor Garlin Gilchrist what he knows about the vigilante group behind all of this. But first, I want you to listen to what Governor Gretchen Whitmer says today. WHITMER: When I put my hand on the bible and took the oath of office 22 months ago, I knew this job would be hard. But I'll be honest. I never could have imagined anything like this.

President Trump Itching To Have a Rally; White House Gives Trump a Green Light; Sen. Kamala Harris Being Called a Monster; Thirteen People Arrested Over a Plot to Kidnap Gov. Whitmer; Lt. Gov. Garlin Gilchrist (D-MI) Was Interviewed About Who's Behind the Plot Against Gov. Whitmer

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LEMON: Tonight, 13 people accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan's Governor Gretchen Whitmer and put her on trial for treason, allegedly because she shut down the state due to coronavirus. Also, allegedly planning to overthrow several state government. Whitmer calling out President Trump for refusing to condemn far-right groups during last week's debate, saying the words of our leaders matter, that they carry weight. Let's bring in now CNN's Donie O'Sullivan and Chris Swecker, the former FBI assistant director for the criminal investigative division. Thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate you joining us. So, Donnie, authorities became aware of this scheme by monitoring social media. What do we know about their online social media presence? DONIE O'SULLIVAN, CNN BUSINESS REPORTER: That's right, Don. The suspects here were all over social media, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, they were posting videos, they were streaming live. Facebook telling us tonight that they have been working with law enforcement on this investigation for more than six months. And to give you a taste of what the suspects were posting on social media, I want to show you a piece of the complaint here about Adam Fox, a 37-year-old person who has been charged in this case. They said he streamed live on Facebook, in which he complained about the judicial system and the state Michigan controlling the opening of gyms. Fox referred to Governor -- the Governor of Michigan as this tyrant b, and stated, I don't know boys we got to do something. Don, what we are seeing here really is people feeling emboldened to post openly these threats on social media and the polarized rhetoric we are seeing online just extending beyond the internet and going into the real world. LEMON: Chris, you have experience with this. FBI, DHS, they have been sounding the alarm big time about the danger of groups like this. Talk to me about how these vigilante groups are growing and why is that? CHRIS SWECKER, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION: Well, Don, they have been around since the 80s and the 90s. In fact, they were the number one terrorism priority for the FBI in the 80s and 90s, and they kind a, went away after 9/11, now they are back. And these are groups that revolve around all kinds of different antis, antigovernment, they have racist underpinnings. Anti-taxes, anti-abortion and all kinds of different things. You know, Terry McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, people like that they join up or they cast around and find like-minded people and they start talking about plots and what they want to do. In most cases, and this follows a pattern. The FBI learns of it, they weren't very subtle on the internet and they infiltrated the group, which is common with undercover agents and informants and you know, by the end of the plot, half of the group was probably informants and undercover agents. LEMON: Wow. So, Donie, are we seeing a lot of talk of violence on social media particularly ahead of the election? O'SULLIVAN: Yes, I mean, a lot of this sort of violent rhetoric and you know, conspiracy theories used to sort of being you know, just on the small -- the darker corners of the internet, like sort of hate filled blogs, like 4chan and 8chan, that's where the QAnon conspiracy theory which has been labeled by the FBI as a potential domestic terrorism threat grew in popularity. But now we are seeing these posts and these conspiracy theories spreading to do major social media platforms like Facebook. And tonight, I spoke to Fredrick Brennan, who is the founder of 8chan. He actually left this message board where QAnon grew popular a few years ago and he now thinks that it should be shut down because it's been involved in so much violence. I asked him what he was most worried about ahead of the election. Here's what he had to say. FREDRICK BRENNAN, FOUNDER OF 8CHAN: What concerns me the most about what I'm seeing online is that people are still believing in QAnon at this late day. and they are still believing in all these fake news and they are getting more and more riled up and more and more just focused on this fake news narrative that is spun so much out of proportion at this point and it seems like a lot of them just cannot be pulled out of it until they go commit an attack and then finally people in their life realize how deep they were in. but by that time, it's too late. O'SULLIVAN: And you know, Don, you know, Don, he is absolutely right. I mean, just last year, we saw the atrocities in El Paso and in Christ's Church, New England, those suspects, the perpetrators of those atrocities had posted openly online about what they were going to do. LEMON: Chris, how are people like these guys we are seeing in Michigan, how do they become radicalized? SWECKER: I think many of them come from a background of sort of hate- filled rhetoric. They are railing against the world. That is terrorism in general. You know, whether it's international terrorism or domestic terrorism, your operating as there is something wrong in your life and somebody else's to blame and in this case it's the government. The government is all over them trying to take their guns, etcetera. So, they get pretty stirred up. The find like-minded people. They are not mensa (ph) candidates by any stretch of the imagination. And they weren't real good at what they were doing, but they can be lethal. LEMON: Chris, this is a really important and frightening story, and we thank you both for helping us to understand what is going on out there. I appreciate it, we will see you soon. The president calling sooner Kamala Harris some really nasty names today. So bad that this is how Joe Biden is responding. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: It's despicable. This is so beneath the office of the presidency and the American people are sick and tired of it. LEMON: Well, I'm sure the Reverend Al Sharpton has a lot to say too and he will, next.

FBI, Vigilantes Plotted to Kidnap Michigan Governor, Overthrow Government

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LEMON: 26 days, only 26 days until the election and President Trump is launching an ugly name calling attack on Senator Kamala Harris following last night's V.P. debate. Part of this pattern of denigrating strong women. We have a lot to talk about with Reverend Al Sharpton, the host of Politics Nation on MSNBC and the author of Rise up, confronting a country at the crossroads. Reverend, good to see you. Thank you for doing this. I appreciate it. REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Good to see you. LEMON: So, you know we are going to talk about your book. So, we are going to get to that. But you know, I cannot have you on without asking you about the events that's happening in this country right now. In an interview this morning, the president called Senator Kamala Harris, a monster and a communist. And last night she was constantly interrupted by Vice President Pence. How much of that has to do with her being a woman of color? SHARPTON: A lot of it has to be. Clearly the president attacked many women but he goes way out of his way to be extreme and provocative when it's a woman of color. It goes along within it. It's almost like a racial cocktail for him to be able to be racist and misogamist at the same time. And he's particularly ugly if a person like Kamala Harris all the way to people like Congresswoman Omar, he does not even call white women the kind of mischaracterized name that clearly dehumanizes them as well as have a sexist under pinning. LEMON: Let's talk more about last night's debate. Kamala Harris and Mike Pence sparred over race relations. I want you to listen to this moment, again, and we are going to get your take on the other side, here it is. MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This presumption that you hear consistently from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris that America's systematically racist and as Joe Biden said, that he believes that law enforcement has an implicit bias against minorities is a great insult to the men and women who serve in law enforcement. SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA), VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We are talking about an election in 27 days where last week the president of the United States took a debate stage in front of 70 million Americans and refused to condemn white supremacists. LEMON: What were you thinking when you heard Pence dismissing police bias against people of color and how do you grade Harris' response? SHARPTON: Well, clearly, you either have to deal with a data that says that blacks are disproportionately incarcerated while minority in the population, majority in many of the states around the country's jail population. So we are either inherently criminal. We are inherently less qualified because we are unemployed and in some states doubles nationally clearly almost double. And we are inherently less educated because we just can't learn or there is systemic problems across the board. I mean, you explain the data, if it's not systematic, then we are inferior. That's the only conclusion you could have. And when Senator Harris brings up the (inaudible), it's clear that she is absolutely on point, because it supports the fact. I think the way you find out if someone is at the pre-judgement, is you go to the facts and then come back. And say, how do we get to these facts? Either systemic or you are dealing with people that are inherently inferior. LEMON: Let's talk about voting rights, because I know that you're a big proponent of that. It's one of your issues. A big topic of conversation in this race. Are you concerned the president is trying to throw the election in his favor with this false narrative about voter fraud? That he has been pushing? SHARPTON: Absolutely. He is trying to throw out, what I would say is a climate (ph) to usher in one, why he is defeated if in fact he is. And second it undermine the rights of blacks so that as his fellow Republican right-wingers can purge voter rolls. Can change voting sites. All of that is done under the cloud of him raising suspicion to the whole voting system. There is a method to his madness. LEMON: Let's get to your new book right now, and it is called, Rise up, confronting a country at a crossroads. And you write in part, "Trump's lack of political correctness is appealing to a certain group of people and this country -- everyone from Roger Stone and Steve Bannon to the disenfranchised blue-collar worker -- because they themselves feel shunned by the politically correct, a group I call the latte liberals, who hold tight to the academic principles of right and wrong, and act as if the conflicts we face in this country are nothing more than material for a stump speech. This kind of thinking -- purity politics -- is just as dangerous as Trump's obvious disdain for democratic norms." Listen. Joe Biden is no latte liberal. Can he win back the blue-collar voters from Trump? AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: I think he can win the blue-collar workers from Trump because the blue-collar workers from Trump have not received any of the things that Trump has committed. And Biden understands the everyday life. He comes from them. He relates to them. Trump has never been a blue-collar worker. He has never been socially or culturally relational with them. He has been rejected by many of the power elite. Those of us that come out of New York, he was about nine years older than me but grew up in the same kind of environment, know that the powerbrokers downtown rejected some of us because of race, rejected him because they did not consider him and his dad legitimate. So, he has the same kind of chip on his shoulder that a blue-collar worker have. But they didn't understand that chip was there for very personal reasons, not because of any real class system or especially not racism. LEMON: Biden has been walking the line of a moderate Democrat who can embrace some progressive ideas, but he still doesn't agree, for example, with defunding the police. Has he alienated a lot of progressives out there, you think? SHARPTON: I think it's according to how you define progressive. There are many progressives that have said different things. Issues like defunding police, how you interpret that? Are you saying fund various things other than just keep recycling money in to the same areas that don't work? Are you talking about no police at all? I think that there is not a monolith in terms of who you call progressive, and many progressives are feeling not progressive when it comes to race. They are progressive in many areas, but when it comes to race. They almost become like, let us do the talking and set the standards. That's not progressive at all in my book. LEMON: You have been very open about your progression when it comes to race and other issues: the reckoning over race across the country and the acknowledgment of the very real white supremacist threat. It's forcing people to take a hard look at their own words and actions, and I saw that you did an interview earlier this year, I think you talked about that, about how you were accused of anti-Semitism in the past and you had to reflect on your own words and actions. How are you dealing with this reckoning? Have you done enough, you think? SHARPTON: I think it's all a process. I think that many of us -- I have never been anti-Semitic and anything else, but you can give words that can be twisted, misconstrued, and even the victims be frightened by. So if you're really a not something, rather than just denying it and being correct and denying it, you must be sensitive that you don't even indirectly, inadvertently give people any feeling of discomfort, and that is why language becomes important. I write about it in the book. I've learned that. I was admonished by Mrs. Coretta Scott King to don't even give air to anything that can be misconstrued to be representing anything other than what you solidly and fundamentally believe. Even in slang, you can hurt people, and it is not justified by saying it is just slang. If it is harmful, it is something that you should resist. LEMON: We have with seen groups, the neo-Nazis screaming "Jews will not replace us," and blood and soil." We know that these white supremacists and these neo-Nazis have work to do when it comes to anti-Semitism. Do you think African-Americans do, as well? SHARPTON: I think that that there are some in every community, including African-Americans, has to deal with anti-Semitism, homophobia, and gender inequality or misogyny. I write about it in the book, because the idea in the book is to say, unless we have an anti-sectional movement that represents fighting against bigotry on everyone, not comparing who is the most suppressed, I got more oppression than you, I got more history and more pain than you, that may be true. The question is can we all stop the oppression that we all face in whatever degree and fight against those that are against all of us. SHARPTON: And until we can do that, they will keep winning by picking us one against the other. LEMON: Listen. I appreciate your candor on this and how you are dealing with this. But there are those in our society who just -- who can't -- who are not dealing with this in a way that is constructive. And one of those people in the White House right now is stoking division. People -- I know you write about all of this in your book. But what happens to our country right -- what happens to our country, our country who is led by someone who says there are very fine people on both sides and then tries to qualify it by saying there are some good people in the crowd because they are fighting for heritage and they don't want statues taken down? I am not sure what good people march with neo-Nazis and white supremacist, but what happens to our country from here? What do we do? SHARPTON: I think that we do what we did in the past before my time and certainly before yours. We have to unite those forces and take them out of power. We may not be able to change their heart, but we can certainly change their position. Here's a man in the White House that rolls, saying that a black man who was running and then became president of the United States is not one of us. Birtherism was at its core racism. The last in-person meeting that he and I had when he was running was around me arguing with him it was racist. He is saying it wasn't racist and he wanted to try and explain it to me. The basis of Donald Trump's politics was racism. Before that, he was just a guy doing "The Apprentice" and a supposed to be businessman that we found he was not a good businessman. His politics is based on racial divisiveness, us against them. Obama is not one of us. That was his calling card, and he is using that same song all the way through. The way you deal with that is you take away their political power. You hope to change their heart one take, but you can change their position come Election Day. LEMON: All of these sayings and much, much more, the reverend, Al Sharpton, writes about in his book. The book again is called "Rise Up: Confronting a Country at the Crossroads." Thank you, reverend. I appreciate it. Be safe. SHARPTON: Thank you, Don. Thank you. LEMON: He is a long-term public servant, he has served under three different administrations, and he is voting for Joe Biden. The former CIA director, General Michael Hayden, tells us why next. Plus, a key government scientist working on a vaccine quit -- he quit, I should say, because of Trump's administration's response to coronavirus. He is speaking exclusively with CNN.

Trump Calls Harris a Monster and Communist in Ugly, Sexist Attacks; Ex-Pandemic Preparedness Chief Says Trump is Allowing More People to Die.

Trump nennt Harris ein Monster und Kommunist bei hässlichen, sexistischen Angriffen; Der ehemalige Chef der Pandemievorsorge sagt, Trump lasse zu, dass mehr Menschen sterben.

特朗普在粗鲁的性别主义攻击中称哈里斯是怪物和共产主义者；前流行病防备主任说特朗普任由更多的人死亡。

SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: American people when you tell them the truth. MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts. BECKY ANDERSON, CNN HOST: This hour, as the lights go out on last night's V.P. debate, news that the next Biden versus Trump showdown may not happen. Why is just ahead. And I will speak to Iceland's prime minister to see how she is going to tackle the country's record number of COVID-19 cases. Plus, Lebanon just can't catch a break. How the pandemic is piling misery on top of the country's many other crises. ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN Abu Dhabi, this is CONNECT THE WORLD with Becky Anderson. ANDERSON: Time to get your head around one thing going on in America these days before the next development comes and slaps you right in the face. Believe me, that's right. Before we are even done getting to understand what happened in last night's vice presidential debate, in just the last hour, Donald Trump throwing the next presidential debate up in the air. The American president for now at least claiming he doesn't want to take part because he thinks the decision to hold it virtually makes it a, quote, "waste of time." But he does interviews remotely all the time; like, say, with FOX Business News in the past hour or so. DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I heard that the commission a little while ago changed the debate style and that's not acceptable to us. I beat him easily in the first debate, according to the polls that I've seen but I beat him easily and I felt I beat him easily, I think he felt it, too. No, I'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate. That's not what debating is all about, you sit behind a computer and do a debate, it's ridiculous and then they cut you off whenever they want. ANDERSON: There it is, they can "cut you off whenever they want." You will remember Mr. Trump interrupted Joe Biden at least 128 times in that last debate. That was his MO. Let's not forget why it's being made virtual. It's because Mr. Trump's White House, seen here, pretty much emptied out after he and a bunch of his closest aides tested positive for COVID-19. For the record, for his part, Joe Biden's campaign said that he is more than happy to take part in the new format. By the end of the day -- and you can file all this in the nothing new under the sun file -- because way back in 1960, Richard Nixon and John f. Kennedy held their third debate remotely. Yes, that is 60 years ago. Connecting all of this for us is Joe Johns, who is live for you from the White House itself. Future debates will be held remotely. Joe, JFK and Nixon, after all, held their third in 1960 away from each other. What are we in for in the next week or so, sir? JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: First thing I think you have to say, before you really go too far on this debate issue, is this is a president who is very erratic, prone to changing his mind, prone to canceling meetings before he decides to go to them, prone to canceling negotiations before he decides to reenter the negotiations. Even with the stimulus up here just this week on Capitol Hill you've seen that. So the question, of course, is will this hold? Now one of the president's top economic advisers, Larry Kudlow, said just a little while ago here in Washington he thought that this could be renegotiated. And so the question is what's going to happen next. Now what we also know is what the president said is, he is not going to participate in a virtual debate. This virtual debate was announced by the debate convention just this morning here in Washington, indicating that debate in Miami was going to be held with the candidates in different remote locations because of concerns over coronavirus, including concerns about the crews, the camera crews and technicians, who would have to participate in this, were the president there. As you know, he tested positive for coronavirus and just spent the weekend over in Walter Reed hospital. The reactions were quick; the head of the president's campaign, his campaign manager, put out a statement blasting the commission and also indicating that, instead of the debate, the president will do a rally. We don't know where that rally will be. And I guess the other thing to say is that Joe Biden, the Democratic candidate, has said he would participate in a remote debate but also said that, if the president still has COVID, there should not be a debate. So this is all about the Miami debate, which was supposed to be a town hall. JOHNS: We don't know what would happen to the third and final presidential debate, which was to occur in Nashville, Tennessee. That's still up in the air -- Becky. ANDERSON: I guess, you know, the bigger picture here is, what does this all mean for the remainder of the campaigns? We are well into October; this election, of course, is November 3rd. JOHNS: Right. The first question you asked there is which candidate needs a debate more right now. And if you look at the polling in the United States, it indicates that Joe Biden is expanding his lead over the incumbent president. Even the president's favorite news network, FOX, has Joe Biden up by double digits. So that would suggest that it's the president who needs the debate to try to make up some ground. And it also -- this decision also gives Joe Biden the opportunity to blame the president for canceling a debate that he doesn't really need at least at this point. So it's also true that the president has pulled himself out of public appearances and debates and such before. Four years ago, it certainly didn't hurt him at that time. He ended up becoming President of the United States. But it just sets up another example of how volatile this campaign is and what's going to happen is anybody's guess -- Becky. ANDERSON: Joe, I said at the beginning of this show, just when you think you're getting your head around what's going on in Washington, something else comes along to slap you in the face. It's not the easiest thing to be reporting on this minute by minute stuff that's going on. But of course, as ever you do a terrific job. Last question before I let you go, are you OK after that raccoon attack? JOHNS: Right. OK. I know. JOHNS: The video of that is crazy, right? And it happened right out here early in the morning just yesterday. The truth is -- and some people don't catch it -- that this is not something that actually went out over the air, it happened right while I was off the air and about to go on. And it's the second time it's happened out here. And then the folks on the show decided to put it out on social media. And, you know, I had mixed feelings about putting it out because I felt silly about it. But in these times I did feel people deserved a good laugh and I think that's what people have gotten. ANDERSON: Well, I can tell you, they put it out on the show; it went viral. We picked it up and our international viewers have seen it now. And I have to say it made me laugh oud loud last night. And I have had a lot of reaction from our international viewers, who felt the same way. Listen, we all could do with a laugh at the moment. I don't mean for it to be at your expense but, you know, thank you. JOHNS: Oh, yes, right. Exactly. Thank you. ANDERSON: Thank you, sir. All right. So there we are. Where were we? Oh, yes, debates. Let's zip back to last night. Wednesday night's V.P. debate, where coronavirus, of course, played a big part and rightly so. Not just physically, you can see the Plexiglas dividers, but it loomed large in the back and forth between Senator Kamala Harris and vice president Mike Pence as they battled the issues. Another 50,000 Americans testing positive; Harris was pretty direct about all of that. HARRIS: The American people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of our country. And here is the thing: on January 28th the vice president and the president were informed about the nature of this pandemic. They were informed that it's lethal in consequence, that it is airborne, that it will affect young people and that it would be contracted because it is airborne. And they knew what was happening and they didn't tell you. ANDERSON: The key part of that response, vaccines, of course. Pence accused Harris of spreading doubt about vaccines. Have a listen. PENCE: You continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine. If a vaccine emerges during the Trump administration, I think is unconscionable. And, Senator, I would just ask you to stop playing politics with people's lives. The reality is that we will have a vaccine, we believe, before the end of this year and it will have the capacity to save countless American lives. And your continuous undermining of confidence in a vaccine is just -- it's just unacceptable. ANDERSON: And for all it's worth, in a CNN instant poll, Kamala Harris did come out as the winner in all of this. ANDERSON: Viewers certainly saw a lot less chaos than last week's presidential debate and a bit more decorum and a bit more policy. However, there was nothing new. Both sides stuck to the battle lines that were drawn a long time ago. The real winner of the debate was arguably this little guy here, a fly, which captured the attention of the world in a way neither candidate, quite frankly, did. The uninvited third guest sat atop Mike Pence's head for several minutes, much to the delight of those on social media. The Biden campaign is already having a bit of fun with it. They have introduced this fly swatter, which reads "Truth over flies." Bad news is, if you want one, they are already sold out. My next guest offered this advice to the vice presidential candidates leading into the debate: do no harm; reinforce the top of the ticket and pass the commander in chief test. Anna (sic) Stewart joins me now, she is a Republican strategist and former communications director for Ted Cruz's presidential campaign. Did they hit your three points, Alice? ALICE STEWART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think each of them did in terms of neither one of them did any harm. They didn't say anything dumb. They were civil and they were respectful to each other for the most part. They did reinforce the top of the ticket. They made sure that everyone understood the contrast between the two opposing campaigns and what they would offer the American people. And I do really think both of them actually did make the case for how they could potentially step into the role and have the skills and qualifications to be commander in chief if necessary. The big difference I think that Mike Pence made is that he showed a real stark contrast between a Trump-Pence ticket and a Biden-Harris ticket. He demonstrated the fact that with the Trump administration, we would certainly have a limited government. He made a stronger case on trade, on energy, certainly on manufacturing. He made a stronger case on a lot of the things that are important to the American people and certainly Supreme Court. He also held Kamala's feet to the fire with regard to fracking, which is an important energy issue for this country. The Biden ticket has not really come clean on whether or not they support this vital energy source. And they refused -- still refuse to answer the question whether or not, if Biden won, he would pack the Supreme Court, which would really change the trajectory of the power of the Supreme Court. And that's an answer that really I think that the American people deserve. ANDERSON: The question is, will either of their performances move the dial? And it has to be said -- let's just go back and have a look at the latest CNN poll, with Joe Biden 16 points ahead in that poll and, in others, including a FOX poll, Joe Biden some 10 points ahead. Pence needed to do some work last night. Do you think that he did enough to change the sort of numbers, to help change the sort of numbers we're seeing on our screens now? STEWART: Well, that's a great question, Becky. Typically these vice presidential debates don't change the overall trajectory of the election, it's not going to really move a lot of numbers. But what we're looking for is likability. The independent voters -- that's between like 4 percent and 7 percent of people out there, independent or undecided likely voters -- are the ones that are the key target. And they typically gear toward persona over policy: who appeared more likeable, who appeared as someone that really connected with them. And I think, look, Kamala Harris did a phenomenal job on making the case on COVID and she did show that she has leadership skills. But I feel as though her snickering and laughing and her demeanor was a little off-putting. I do feel like Mike Pence came off as a little more likeable and calm and in command of the stage up there. So those factors are important for these undecided swing voters that are still out there, trying to make up their minds. ANDERSON: Yes, and there is a significant number of people who may still be making their minds, although we have seen a significant number of people who have already voted of course. The mail-in voting seems to have taken off significantly in this campaign. From COVID to climate, Mike Pence -- yes, Mike Pence -- repeating the need to listen to science and fact. Have a listen. PENCE: Look, Senator Harris, you're entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. And, Senator, I would just ask you stop playing politics with people's lives. President Trump has made it clear that we're going to continue to listen to the science. ANDERSON: Let us remind our viewers of the president's thoughts on the science. ANDERSON: Have a listen. TRUMP: It will start getting cooler. WADE CROWFOOT, CALIFORNIA SECRETARY FOR NATURAL RESOURCES: I wish -- TRUMP: You just watch. CROWFOOT: I wish science agreed with you. TRUMP: Well, I don't think science knows, actually. ANDERSON: Our viewers can make of that what they will. But what are your thoughts? STEWART: I think the vice president made a strong point by making sure and acknowledging that there is something to be said for global warming and climate change. But the president and this administration has been clear all along that they are not as in support of the notion that it is manmade as much as it is just a fact of sheer nature. And that is why they steer clear of strong federal government regulations on industries that are working to create jobs and provide for this economy and that's a big factor. I think the president made a -- vice president made a strong case for that last night and also reinforcing, as he said, that Kamala Harris and the Democrat ticket can have their feelings about things. But it doesn't change the facts. And that's an important point that he made last night. ANDERSON: "Facts not flies" is how the Biden campaign is working the narrative today. Listen, I've run out of time but thank you for your reflections. Important to get some insight and some analysis from all sides on what is going on at the moment because, look, what happens in America is really important. We get it. But what about the rest of us? You know, the other 95 percent or so of human beings on the planet, there are 7 billion of us. STEWART: Right. ANDERSON: And the two candidates did dig into how they will shape the foreign policy of the world's most awesomely powerful country. We want to get to know how all of that could affect your life, your job and your world. We will connect all of that with our crack team up next. And a testing time for Iceland. The small remote island had COVID-19 under control. It was a sort of poster child, as it were, and then seemingly it's lost its grip. I will ask Iceland's prime minister what happened and what she proposes to do next in a live interview a little later this hour.

Trump Refuses Virtual Debate; V.P. Candidates Dodge Questions, Shift Focus to Trump

Trump lehnt virtuelle Debatte ab; VP-Kandidaten weichen Fragen aus, verlagern den Fokus auf Trump

特朗普拒绝虚拟辩论；副总统候选人回避问题，将焦点转移到特朗普身上

ANDERSON: Welcome back. Right now I want to concentrate on what is going on with regard to COVID-19 in Europe, where people are having the worst kind of deja view, it seems, as the virus surges once again, in some cases worse than in the spring. Countries are scrambling to bring back restrictions. As you can see, Poland, Germany, the Netherlands, just a few of the nations reporting significant daily spikes. ANDERSON: Take a closer look at Iceland, seen here in white. It looks like it is holding its own compared to the other countries. Now though, look at this. It's a shocker, especially for a country that had been showing the world how to keep COVID at bay. Now Iceland has got a big problem on its hands. MAX FOSTER, CNN LONDON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Iceland was ahead of the curve. A virus testing station for all incoming air passengers set up way back in June when I visited the country. Iceland may be a remote and sparsely populated volcanic island. But it saw an early spike in coronavirus cases. That didn't translate into a high death rate, though. In fact, it had one of the lowest in the world. Just 10 people have died, all in the first wave. The country never went into a full lockdown; the restaurants stayed open, faces uncovered. When someone tested positive, a rigorous contact tracing system kicked in. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I got a call and I was told that I had been around a person that tested positive for COVID-19. And it was a waiter at the place where I had lunch with my co-workers. The tracing team told me that I needed to go into self-isolation. FOSTER (voice-over): This is the lab where all test samples are sent. I got my result by text a few hours after landing. Here it is. "You have not been diagnosed with COVID-19." They don't just test for the virus here but also its mutations, that allows them to map which countries the latest infections came from and how they spread through Iceland. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since we sequence the virus from everyone infected in Iceland, we can, first of all, determine where the mutation came from and then we can follow it as it is spreading in society. FOSTER (voice-over): The scientists had a big advantage, though. Politicians, including the prime minister, stood back and allowed them to lead on the pandemic and front the public response. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This crisis is not about me and it was very important not to politicize this crisis. Screening can never be 100 percent safe but what we are trying to do is to lower the risk of a new epidemic here in Iceland. FOSTER (voice-over): Those words would prove prescient. Scientists soon realized that 20 percent of people with coronavirus weren't being caught by the airport testing. On August the 19th, the government said that arrivals now had to get not one but two tests five days apart. But it was too late. Just days earlier, Dr. Stefansson (ph) said two French tourists entered the country. The virus they carried has led to a big spike in cases. FOSTER (voice-over): Icelandic scientists not always in agreement with politicians. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Unfortunately, we did not react to it very swiftly. And this has basically rolled into a full blown wave of infection in Iceland. FOSTER (voice-over): Now the government is clamping down, including shuttering bars as autumn turns to winter. Iceland's science-conscious approach will, no doubt, continue to be tested -- Max Foster, CNN. ANDERSON: Katrin Jakobsdottir is Iceland's prime minister and she joins me now live from Reykjavik. We do thank you and we thank you for your involvement in the report that Max recorded when he was there. Tourism, of course, a cornerstone of your economy, with huge focus put on it in the last several years. You did begin welcoming tourists back several months ago. They, as I understand it, must either quarantine for two weeks or must be tested twice with a five-day quarantine in between. What are you going to do now? Is it right and is it clear that it has been the incoming tourists who has caused this significant spike in cases? KATRIN JAKOBSDOTTIR, ICELANDIC PRIME MINISTER: Well, you know, if we take notice of what Dr. Stefansson (ph) said in this report earlier you can actually see from the data of sequencing that the stem of the virus that's now spreading around Iceland comes probably from people entering the country early August. And you could say, even though we have had this -- had this arrangement to have two tests and five-day quarantines since 19th of August, probably they arrived earlier. And what we did here in Iceland is that we actually have been with less restrictions than many other European countries in the last months. JAKOBSDOTTIR: We had a limit of 200 people, for example, until this week. So what we are seeing now is quite a spread of the virus in Iceland and we are reacting now, beginning last Monday. ANDERSON: Yes, as I understand it, new restrictions introduced in the capital of Reykjavik and surrounding areas, what about the rest of the country? JAKOBSDOTTIR: Well, there are actually stricter restrictions all over the country but strictest here in Reykjavik. Here we, for example, closed down swimming pools and introduced more obligations to wear masks, for example. So there are more restrictions here in Reykjavik but there are strict restrictions all over the country because the virus travels differently. ANDERSON: With these recent spikes, which are clearly very concerning, are you prepared to close your international borders? JAKOBSDOTTIR: No, we have actually decided to maintain the current arrangement until December 1st where we have, as I said, two tests and five-day quarantining in between. Hopefully we will see some progress in making tests work quicker and also having closer cooperation between countries in testing. But this will be at least the arrangement for the next six weeks. ANDERSON: Are you reassured by Donald Trump's claims of a miracle cure? He seems to believe that his four-day stay in hospital has resulted -- and the therapeutics that he was given have resulted in something that all of us should be applauding. Your thoughts? JAKOBSDOTTIR: Well, my thoughts, I think we have actually made considerable progress in treating -- treating the virus. At least that's our experience here in Iceland. But still we are getting a lot of people who are very seriously ill. Right now, we have over 20 people in hospital in Iceland which are very seriously ill by the coronavirus. So I think what we are seeing is that virus is still going very strong. ANDERSON: You've appealed to people to not politicize this crisis. And several world leaders called for unity during their recent speeches at the U.N. General Assembly, for example. But we are seeing very little of that, very little unity. Are you disappointed in how world leaders have handled this crisis? JAKOBSDOTTIR: Well, I think we have very different approaches between different countries. And if I would say anything about the political scene here, here, back home in Iceland, I think we have managed to be pretty unified. We have had a critical debate, obviously, and that's very important, you know, to have a democratic critical debate, both about what we're doing to contain the virus but also about its consequences. However, I think we have managed to be really -- I think we have been very unified and actually not -- not going down into the political trenches, if I may say so. ANDERSON: All right. JAKOBSDOTTIR: I would have wished for more international cooperation. It has been growing, growing cooperation between countries. And I think when you're faced with a pandemic like this, this really shows us the importance of international cooperation. ANDERSON: Let me just follow up on something that you said. You said that you will leave these restrictions for tourists in place, the current sort of quarantining and testing protocols and procedures until December 1st. If you do not bring this spike down, if you are unsuccessful, you said that you didn't want to close your international borders. But is that a possibility? Do you keep that up your sleeve, should things not improve? JAKOBSDOTTIR: I think we are actually being as careful as possible now on the borders. And what we're dealing with now is really the spread of the virus within Iceland and that's our top priority now. However, I think the new restrictions -- and they are all very familiar; these are the same methods that we used in March and April -- and I am optimistic that we will see positive results after those two weeks. And I can sense that, even though people are -- obviously people are growing tired by this pandemic -- but I also sense a very strong understanding here with the general public in Iceland. Everybody understands what's happening. JAKOBSDOTTIR: And people, you know, they know that we need to use those methods to be able to contain the virus, even though, as I said -- ANDERSON: Because there is a real fear across Europe that people are becoming fatigued and complacent. You say that people in Iceland will cope, correct? JAKOBSDOTTIR: I think so. Yes. You know, these are pretty resilient people here in Iceland. But we're also human and obviously, obviously we feel -- all feel a sense of fatigue because of this pandemic. ANDERSON: With that we will leave it there. We thank you very much indeed and, of course, we wish you the absolute best. JAKOBSDOTTIR: And same to you. Thank you so much. ANDERSON: Thank you. A golf pro hits an epic hole in one without any shoes. More on that. You have to see this coming up in "WORLD SPORT."

New COVID-19 Restrictions in Iceland.

Neue COVID-19-Beschränkungen in Island.

冰岛的新新冠疫情 限制。

BLITZER: We're following some very disturbing breaking news out of Michigan. Federal and state authorities today charged more than a dozen men including members of the militia group accusing them of plotting to overthrow the government and kidnap the Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Here's how the governor reacted just a little while ago. GOV. GRETCHEN WHITMER (D-MI): Just last week, the President of the United States stood before the American people and refused to condemn white supremacists and hate groups like these two Michigan militia groups. Stand back and standby he told them. Stand back and standby. Hate groups heard the President's words not as a rebuke, but as a rallying cry, as a call to action. When our leaders speak, their words matter. They carry weight. BLITZER: Let's bring in our Crime and Justice Correspondent Shimon Prokupecz. Shimon, tell us more about this plot. SHIMON PROKUPECZ, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Wolf. So you've got two different sets of charges here. You have the six charges -- a federal charges against six people. And then separately the state has brought in their own charges. Now on the sixth who have been federally charged, the criminal complaint really goes through some frightening details concerning what these men were up to. The six of them, the FBI says we're plotting to kidnap the governor, taking issue over some of her lockdown efforts because of the coronavirus. At one point, one of the men posted on Facebook that they were upset that she was closing down gyms because of the pandemic. And what the FBI said -- says is that these men trained. They held meetings, they try to recruit others to join in this plot. They also talked about possibly storming the state Capitol there in Michigan using Molotov cocktails to try and attack police if they were coming in to try and intervene. The other thing the FBI revealed is that these men did surveillance. They did surveillance on the homes of the governor at one point thinking about trying to kidnap her from a summer home, from a vacation home, doing surveillance, trying to find out exactly where she was living and staying. And what the FBI describes as a snatching grab. There was even this idea of perhaps about just snatching her and then taking her somewhere where they would use perhaps a stun gun of some kind, maybe interrogate her. So really some frightening details in this complaint. All of this was able to be stopped because of the FBI, which started monitoring some of these men on social media. They were then able to use informants, human informants, people that were able to infiltrate this group. And then Wolf, they also used FBI agents, undercover FBI agents to infiltrate the group. All of this coming to end just on October 7, because the FBI says that men were trying to exchange money for explosives and tactical gear. Wolf. BLITZER: Very disturbing indeed. All right, Shimon, thank you very much. Quick programming note, the Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer will be one of the guests later tonight on Erin Burnett "OutFront." That's at 7:00 p.m. Eastern right after the Situation Room. Joining us now the former CIA Director John Brennan. He's got a brand new book just released entitled, "Undaunted by Fight against America's Enemies at Home and Abroad." Director Brennan, thank you so much for joining us. Congratulations on the new book. You write in your new book about the President's many clashes with the U.S. Intelligence Community. We've seen that President Trump simply doesn't accept the assessment from his own FBI Director that these far right white supremacist groups represent the greatest danger, the greatest domestic terror danger here in the United States. Just how much does that imperil our national security? JOHN BRENNAN, FORMER FBI CIA DIRECTOR: Well, I think it does as the latest event in Michigan indicates that these hate groups and militia groups really provide I think, some real concerns to local law enforcement to the FBI. And unfortunately, Donald Trump has refused to denounce them in very clear fashion. And that's why I think he has helped to fuel this tension within the United States that is bringing out a lot of these very far right wing groups, white supremacists and others. So, this is something that I think the FBI is very much on top of but they need the support from our political leaders because the words matter that are coming out of the White House. BLITZER: Yes. And Christopher Wray, the FBI director says these white supremacist groups represent the biggest domestic terror threat here in the United States. So let's turn to the pandemic, Director Brennan. The House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has now raised the concern level today. She's not suggesting that the President may be in what she calls an "altered state" due to his coronavirus illness, and the treatment he's been receiving which could impair his judgment. Is it appropriate for her to speculate about that? Is that, from your perspective, and you spent a long time in U.S. Intelligence and Homeland Security are real concern? BRENNAN: Well, I think I've heard Dr. Fauci speak today about the impact of steroids on one's mental abilities. And the fact that it sometimes will create this sort of this hyper energetic attitude on the part of individuals who are undergoing this type of treatment. But you put the steroids together with the other types of medications and I think it's been widely reported that that can affect one's ability, mental abilities. And so when we're at this very critical time in our sort of nation's history, and we have Donald Trump who want a good day, is very impulsive and even reckless and irresponsible. The additional effects of the medications and the steroids, I think are very worrisome. And that's what Speaker Pelosi was addressing. BLITZER: But do you worry about a national security threat resulting from that? BRENNAN: Well, I don't know what Donald Trump is likely to do on any given day. And I do think that our adversaries around the globe have their intelligence systems cranked up on high so that they can collect information about what is the extent of the disruption, dislocation and preoccupation in the White House. Is our national security hierarchy continue to focus on the challenges that we face around the globe? So, I do think that our intelligence and military and law enforcement services have a very robust capability and that has not been relaxed. But the fact that you have somebody in the White House whose behavior, whose actions are, again, you know, suspect even more so because of the medication, I do think that's a national security issue. BLITZER: Just last night, though the Vice President Mike Pence follow the President's lead in refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. In your book, you described that transfer of power, in your words, that's one of the most remarkable features of our American democracy. Did you ever think you'd see an American president waver in that commitment to that tradition? BRENNAN: I never thought I'd seen American press like Donald Trump period, I was there during the transition from President Bush to President Obama and President Bush couldn't have been more magnanimous and gracious in turning over the reins of power. And the fact that Donald Trump continues to refuse to say that he would accept the will of the American people, I think just underscores his refusal to accept the Democratic principles of this country. He looks at the world through a very personal prism, in terms of what's going to benefit him as well as protect him. So I do think that we are in for some tough sledding over the next several months. BLITZER: The top U.S. intelligence official on election security is warning today that foreign adversaries are using President Trump's lies to interfere in the election. You're right in your book, "Undaunted", that when you briefed the President on Russia's 2016 interference, he seemed uninterested, I'm quoting you now, uninterested in finding out what the Russians had done or in holding them to account. Four years later, is he -- as all of the critics are suggesting -- Putin's useful idiot? BRENNAN: Well, I think that what he has done as -- when he's been in the White House has certainly been in Russia's and Vladimir Putin's interest. I mean, Putin wants to see disarray and confusion and chaos in the United States and have us be a polarized society and a dysfunctional government. And I think that's what we have right now. So, I am concerned that Donald Trump was enabled in getting into the White House because of Russian interference in the 2016 election. And I am certain that Vladimir Putin especially would like to see Donald Trump re-elected, and that he and the Russian services will do everything possible to make that a reality. BLITZER: As you know, the President four years after he was elected as accusing you and other Obama administration officials, including former President Obama, former Vice President Biden, Hillary Clinton, all sorts of others of committing treason, he's suggesting this is the biggest domestic crime ever, and he's going after you specifically in various ways. How concerned are you about your legal problems, potentially, if he's re-elected and the Justice Department decides to go after you? BRENNAN: Well, I think, unfortunately, he is enabled by a corrupt attorney general. I am very confident that what I did while I was CIA director was appropriate and consistent with my authorities and responsibilities. And so I have not hesitated to speak out against Donald Trump. That's why I named the book "Undaunted", because he can try to intimidate and bully Americans. I think I and a lot of other Americans are wanting to stand up against him because he is bringing this country down both domestically as well as internationally. And I do look forward to the day when we'll be able to get on a better track as a country, as a society. And that has to happen after Donald Trump leaves office. BLITZER: The former CIA Director, John Brennan, thanks so much for joining us. Once again, let me mention the name of the book. There's the book cover right there, "Undaunted: My Fight against America's Enemies at Home and Abroad". Thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it. BRENNAN: Thank you, Wolf. Good to see you. BLITZER: Thank you. Coming up, as coronavirus deaths in the United States top 212,000, the CDC is now projecting another 20,000 deaths here in the United States by the end of this month.

FBI: Militia Plotted to Kidnap Michigan Governor, Overthrow Gov't

FBI: Miliz plante, den Gouverneur von Michigan zu entführen und die Regierung zu stürzen

联邦调查局：民兵密谋绑架密歇根州长，推翻政府。

JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm John Vause, you're watching CNN NEWSROOM. Ahead this hour. Donald Trump, COVID-19 patient and spreader of coronavirus looking to restart his campaign rallies. His doctor says it's probably OK. The same doctor who won't say when Trump last tested negative. The plot to start a civil war in the U.S. The FBI alleges anti- government militia was planning to kidnap the governor of Michigan and overthrow a number of state governments. And the politics of science. Why the editorial boards from three prestigious medical and scientific journals are doing what they have never done before. Well, with his election campaign apparently in a death spiral, it seems the U.S. president is eager to hit the road again. Despite testing positive for the coronavirus and still possibly contagious, Trump wants to hold a campaign rally in Florida this Saturday. White house physician, Sean Conley, says Trump can probably safely return to public engagements on the weekend. The same doctor who is refusing to give a straight answer to one very simple but crucial question. When was the last time the president tested negative for the virus? Before Trump was diagnosed with COVID-19, his last known test was in May. The results have not been made public. Here's more on what the president is planning. SEAN HANNITY, ANCHOR, "FOX NEWS": Have you had a test since your diagnosis a week ago? TRUMP: Well, what we're doing is -- probably the test will be tomorrow. VAUSE: Democrats are raising concerns about Trump's physical and mental health. House speaker Nancy Pelosi says he appears to be in an altered state. On Friday, they will discuss the 25th Amendment of the Constitution which lays out the role congress will play when a president is incapacitated. We have more details now on the president's recovery and all the other politics from CNN's Kaitlan Collins. KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, the president has now been back at the White House since Monday. And in a letter released on Thursday, the president's doctor said he believes he is going to be clear to be back in public at events starting this Saturday. Though before he said he wouldn't breathe a deep sigh of relief until the following Monday. It's not clear why that's changed because we haven't heard from the president's doctor since the day that he returned to the White House. And we also haven't independently seen the president. Instead, we've only seen him in these videos published by the White House that have been edited at times. And we haven't seen him on our own. But the president continues to put his own spin on his health while we're not hearing from the medical experts on it. Saying he no longer believes he's contagious implying that he may never have been infected with coronavirus at all and saying that he is ready to get back on the road and might start holding a campaign rally this Saturday in Florida or potentially Pennsylvania. That's what he told Sean Hannity in a phone interview on Thursday night where at times he seemed to be a little bit hoarse and had to clear his throat on a few occasions though he spoke clearly for the other 20 or so minutes that he was on air with Sean Hannity. But one thing he did not say was whether or not he's gotten a negative test result for coronavirus since he first tested positive on Thursday of last week. Sean Hannity asked the president that three times and the president did not answer that question and said he would be tested on Friday. He said he didn't see the reason for testing a lot. Though of course that seems to go against what the White House told us for so many months. Which is that the president was being tested on a daily basis. Kaitlan Collins. CNN, the White House. VAUSE: And joining me now is Kim Schrier, she's a pediatrician and Democrat congresswoman from the State of Washington. And it's good to see you again. DR. KIM SCHRIER, U.S. HOUSE DEMOCRAT: Great to see you. VAUSE: OK. Right now, no question is shrouded in more mystery than this one. Here we are, listen to this. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Sir, I'm asking you, do you know the answer to when the president's last negotiate test was. Do you actually know that information, Ryan? UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I personally do not. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Do you remember when he had his last negative test. DR. SEAN CONLEY, WHITE HOUSE PHYSICIAN: I don't want to go backwards. MARK MEADOWS, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: We don't normally get into the testing protocol for the president. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Was he tested on Tuesday before he went to the debate and then was he tested on Thursday morning before he went to the New Jersey (inaudible)? KAYLEIGH MCENANEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Yes. I'm not going to give you a detailed read out with timestamps of every time the president's tested. He's tested regularly. VAUSE: Just purely from a medical point of view, why is this timing so important? We know when the positive test came back but not the last negative. SCHRIER: Well, the last negative test would at least tell you when he may not have been shedding virus, right? Like it would have been useful for the Bidens to know if he had tested negative just before that debate. I think that could offer a good degree of peace of mind, not total mind, but I think it would be helpful. I think that this White House has really just lost credibility on everything. They won't answer questions and so we're left to try to piece little bits of evidence together. And I have to tell you some people piece together the fact that he was on three different drugs and say it must have been a very serious case but you could just as easily put those three pieces together and say oh, those are the three drugs our president has heard of and he asked for all three. I mean, we just -- we have no idea -- VAUSE: Yes. SCHRIER: -- what his health status right now is. And even if he is afebrile, if that's just because of the medications he's on. VAUSE: This is the problem. We just don't know. And now, the president's planning to hold more super spreader events. There's still a reluctance to being transparent about those test results -- I mean, this is moving forward. Here's the president on "FOX NEWS" speaking with the White House Chief of Staff Sean Hannity a short time ago. TRUMP: What we're doing is probably the test will be tomorrow, the actual test, because there's no reason to test all the time. But they found very little infection or virus, if any. I don't (inaudible) if they found any. I didn't go into it greatly with the doctors. VAUSE: What we're seeing here is a pattern from Trump and the administration deliberately withholding information which people need. In this case, information which will allow his supporters to make an informed decision about safely attending a campaign rally or not. And he's not telling anybody. SCHRIER: Well, let's be clear. Attending a campaign rally is not safe whether the president has COVID or not. Because you're not supposed to gather in large groups, particularly indoors. And so even regardless of what the president's state of health is right now, these gatherings are ill-advised, they are more super spreader events. You'd think that he would learn from this experience but instead he's doubling down on playing down this virus and continuing to behave in a reckless manner that will ultimately probably result in another 200,000 deaths in this country. And I think it's just -- it's a terrible example to set and just an abdication of his responsibility. VAUSE: So in the midst of a pandemic which could see, what, 400,000 Americans dead by Christmas, an economic crisis not seen since the Great Depression, dozens of his closest aides testing positive, Trump managed to find an hour to rant on "FOX BUSINESS NEWS." Here's part of it. TRUMP: They're in the State Department but Mike Pompeo has been unable to get them out which is very sad. Actually, I'm not happy about him for that reason. He was unable to get them out, I don't know why. TRUMP: Unless Bill Barr indicts these people for crimes -- this was the greatest political crime in the history of our country. And that includes Obama and it includes Biden. These are people that spied on my campaign. And we have everything. Now they say they have much more. OK. And I say Bill, we got plenty. KAT TIMPF, HOST, "FOX BUSINESS NEWS": Address Christopher Wray. Will you replace him in a second term? TRUMP: Well, I don't want to say that yet. He's been disappointing. He talks about even the voting thing, like he doesn't see the voting ballots as a problem. VAUSE: I should mention that first soundbite was about Hilary Clinton's 33,000 emails which Pompeo apparently can't find and that's why he's in the bad books. He's also in hospital. This is not usual Trump, this is Trump on steroids. Literally. SCHRIER: Literally. VAUSE: And even if Biden wins in November there's still three months left of Trump as president. How concerned are you just from what you can see and hear about his physical and mental health? SCHRIER: I'm very concerned. This does seem like it's just an enhanced version of what we've seen all along; outrage, rage, and trying to get people to look the other way. I'm very concerned about what is to come in the upcoming days and months. And I guess my one plea would be responsible people who are near the president, please try to keep us all safe. Keep him contained not with other people so he doesn't spread this illness. Try not to have these super spreader events. And if he is not of right mind right now, please keep him from doing anything devastating in the national security arena. VAUSE: Three months, even if he loses. So that's something to think about. Kim Schrier, thank you so much for being with us. Good to see you. SCHRIER: Thank you. Great to see you. VAUSE: The FBI says it has thwarted a plan by an anti-government militia to start a civil war. Thirteen people have been charged for allegedly plotting to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, who may have been targeted because of her tough response to the pandemic including harsh lockdown measures. The plan allegedly involves storming the state capital and overthrowing a number of state governments and to recruit new members. FBI officials say the became aware of the plans earlier this year through social media. More details now from CNN's Shimon Prokupecz. GOV. GRETCHEN WHITMER (D-MICH): I never could've imagined anything like this. SHIMON PROKUPECZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan foiled by the FBI. Today, the FBI charging six men in the conspiracy. ANDREW BIRGE, U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN: The FBI began an investigation earlier this year after becoming aware through social media that a group of individuals was discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law enforcement components. PROKUPECZ: A months' long investigation alleges the men met on June 6th with several others and discussed taking a sitting governor before one of the men, Adam Fox, reached out to a Michigan based anti- government group. The complaint say on June 14 a confidential informant recorded a conversation between Fox and the group saying he needed 200 men to storm the capital building before the November 2020 presidential election. Officials say Fox and others met again on June 20th to discuss plans for assaulting the state capital planning for firearms and tactical training in July. In August, a group allegedly shifted their plan to kidnap Whitmer at her vacation home. BIRGE: Members of this conspiracy on two occasions conducted coordinated surveillance on the governor's vacation home. PROKUPECZ: The group allegedly used code language and encrypted messages to communicate and according to the complaint successfully detonated an improvised explosive device in October, while Fox confirmed he purchased a taser to use in the kidnapping. Officials say the group planned to meet again on October 7th. BIRGE: The FBI and State Police executed arrests of several of the conspirators when they were meeting on the east side of the state to pool funds for explosives and exchange tactical gear. PROKUPECZ: Several others linked to an extremist group were also charged separately in state court for planning to storm the state capitol building, taking hostages including Whitmer and planning to instigate civil war. MATTHEW SCHNEIDER, U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN: All of us in Michigan can disagree about politics but those disagreements should never, ever amount to violence. PROKUPECZ: And the FBI director recently warned members of congress that one of the biggest threats this country faces are from domestic extremist groups saying that this is something that they are very concerned about. Shimon Prokupecz. CNN, New York. VAUSE: And a source tells CNN the FBI did not coordinate with the White House before arresting the thirteen accused. Governor Whitmer says she's long been asking the Trump administration to take a stronger stand against violence and do more to counter domestic terrorism. WHITMER: I have raised this very issue with this White House and asked them to bring the heat down. I have asked leaders, Republican leaders in this state, let's bring the heat down. I was aware of a lot of the threats that were being made against me in my family and I asked for their help and they didn't do a darn thing about it and then denied even knowing that it was a problem. And here we are. We came very close to a plot that was to kidnap me and to murder. That was what the affidavits say. Also, to hurt law enforcement, to bomb our capital meaning all the press and the Democrats and Republicans in our capital. This cannot stand. And we have to call it out for what it is. It is domestic terrorism. And I quoted Ronald Reagan in my comments earlier today. Because there are good Republicans who stand up and take this on. WHITMER: I do have kids and a husband who have seen people with automatic rifles on our front lawn more weekends than I care to name how many. But this is a moment where, as Americans, we need leaders who can bring us together. We need leaders who recognize the enemy is the virus, not our fellow Americans. And these are hard times but we're going to get through them. VAUSE: For two years, Elizabeth Newman was the assistant secretary of homeland security with the Trump administration until she resigned in April of this year. And she joins me now from Washington, D.C., Elizabeth Newman, it is good to have you with us. Thank you. ELIZABETH NEWMAN, FMR. U.S. ASSISTANT HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: Thank you for having me. VAUSE: OK. So specifically, when it comes to Governor Gretchen Whitmer and President Trump, he's made a lot of inflammatory comments on Twitter and at campaign rallies like one you're about to see. I want to play just part of what Trump has said about the governor. TRUMP: You'd be doing even better if you had a governor that knew what the hell she was doing. Open up your state, Madam Governor, open up your state. TRUMP: Just like Crazy Nancy Pelosi, your governor is a liberal hypocrite who lives by a different set of rules. VAUSE: Just specifically, in terms a politically motivated but yet very personal attack, can you draw a straight line from what the president says to this plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer? NEWMAN: I don't know that we have direct evidence yet, we'll see what the prosecution lays out -- that his words are directly connected to their plans for a plot. But I think that it's certainly fair to say there's a lot of circumstantial evidence both in what we see in the indictment, as well as the timing of their activities. VAUSE: We have this sort of dance now with President Trump. He'll say something outrageous -- fair people on both sides or good people on both sides. He'll refuse to condemn white nationalism or these right-wing extremists, as he did during the first presidential debate. There's outrage which follows. Then comes what -- sort of the half-hearted presidential walk back like this one after the debate. Here he is. VAUSE: Is there an understanding among these groups that when they are condemned by the president in that way, it's done sort of with a wink and nod? NEWMAN: Absolutely. And the timing between his first statements and then his kind of second attempt at condemning that wasn't actually a condemnation, it's not until the third attempt that he actually says the words. They view that -- whether the president intends it or not, the message received by domestic terrorist groups is that he is on their side. That this is a tacit approval of what their means or their goals are. And that he just can't come right out and say that. Because, of course, he has to pretend to get along with the elites in the government. This plays into their conspiracy theory. So one of my pleas for people in positions of leadership is to understand that the president is making this about politics. Some of his supporters are making criticism of his lack of condemnation. They make it sound like this is a political game of gotcha, and that's not it at all. What you hear the counter-terrorism community saying is it doesn't matter about politics, what matters is that his words, his lack of clearly, consistently and repeatedly coming out and condemning white supremacy, condemning anti-government violent extremism, it implies to these groups, the threat actors here, he's on our side. He told us to stand by, to get ready for the election. And they're exercising that now. You can see in their chat rooms and their telegram channels that they have mobilized because of what he said last week. VAUSE: You were reluctant to work at the Trump White House initially. Nonetheless, you joined three years ago, 2017. So in all that time that you were there, you say the president seemed to not understand or was unaware the impact his words were having. But did you see his views, one way or the another, become more clear, louder? Did he speak out in a more emphatic way supporting these groups are against these groups? What did you sort of notice? NEWMAN: I noticed an inability to confront this issue head on. When we were briefing White House senior staff after the attacks in El Paso last August, we were directly told that they were supportive of our prevention programming, they were supportive of what we were trying to do to go after domestic terrorism but they could not use the term domestic terrorism, they couldn't talk about white supremacy, they needed to put things in terms of violence prevention. It was a clear signal to me that somewhere along the way the president has just shut down. And he does this on various topics, Russia is another good example. Where his senior advisers have just learned you can't bring the issue up, you can't have a rational conversation. Now the reasoning behind that, I don't fully know. And I also can't read his heart. But I think circumstantially what seems to be the case is that he tends to be very loyal to those that are loyal to him. So he may see these groups as being his supporters and therefore, he doesn't want to denigrate them. I think he's also very much about his own power and what's best for him, and these people give him a vote. And they stroke his ego. So there's a bit of kind of I'll take care of you, you take care of me going on. The problem with this is that they are an enemy of the United States. They are committing acts of treason in their plans to overthrow whether it's a state government or the U.S. government or kidnap a governor. That is illegal activity and very, very dangerous. VAUSE: That is a good point to finish on, Elizabeth. Thank you so much. Elizabeth Newman there. Appreciate you being with us. Thank you. NEWMAN: Thank you. VAUSE: And still to come. The ebb and the flow of the pandemic in the U.S. With cases rising in parts, a falling death rate which is once again expected to rise. And round two of the pandemic. Many countries now in the grip of a second wave, how they're dealing with the outbreak this time.

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ROBYN CURNOW, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks for joining me. Welcome to CNN. I am Robyn Curnow. There are certainly lots of developments to get to this hour. Today, there are just 25 days to go before the U.S. presidential election and Donald Trump says he is recovered from the coronavirus just days after being diagnosed. Now, Mr. Trump's physician says that the president has completed his therapy and can resume public events this weekend. Sanjay Gupta, our chief medical correspondent, is urging for more transparency. Sanjay? DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: There is a convention that the medical profession, you know, communicates, messages back and forth, and these letters, these statements, and even briefings have all been, you know, we've had to sort of translate these things. So, we don't know. We do know that he wouldn't be out of this contagious period yet by, you know, lots of data and looking at the CDC guidelines. CURNOW: So, to that point, the White House physician is still not answering key questions such as when Mr. Trump last tested negative for the virus. But Mr. Trump says he will probably be tested again in the coming hours. Meantime, this hour, we are also covering an alleged plot to kidnap the Michigan governor. Thirteen people are charged. The governor spoke with CNN and is taking aim at Trump's campaign. We will have all of that for you right now. But first, Kaitlan Collins has more from the White House on Mr. Trump's plan to return to the campaign trail. Kaitlan? KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, the president has now been back at the White House since Monday. In a letter released on Thursday, the president's doctor said he believes he is going to be cleared to be back in public and events starting this Saturday though before he said he wouldn't breathe a deep sigh of relief until the following Monday. It is not clear why that has changed because we haven't heard from the president's doctors since the day that he returned to the White House. We also haven't independently seen the president. Instead, we only see him in these videos published by the White House that have been edited at times. And we haven't seen him on our own. But the president continues to put his own spin on his own health. We are not hearing from medical experts on it, saying, he no longer believes he is contagious, implying that he may have never been infected with coronavirus at all and saying that he is ready to get back on the road and might start holding a campaign rally this Saturday in Florida or potentially Pennsylvania. That is what he told Sean Hannity in a phone interview on Thursday night, where at times he seemed to be a little bit hoarse and have to clear his throat on a few occasions though he spoke clearly for the other 20 or so minutes that he was on air with Sean Hannity. But one thing he did not say was whether or not he has gotten a negative test result for coronavirus since he first tested positive on Thursday last week. Sean Hannity asked the president that three times, but the president did not answer that question and said he would be tested on Friday. He said he didn't see the reason for testing a lot. Of course, that seems to go against what the White House told us for so many months, which is that the president was being tested on a daily basis. Kaitlan Collins, CNN, the White House. CURNOW: With us now is CNN political analyst and White House reporter for The Washington Post, Toluse Olorunnipa, and he joins us now from Washington. So, it is good to speak to you. What a week. But I do want to break down the comments the president has been making in just the past few hours. What strikes you about his conversations, particularly when it comes to COVID and rallies? TOLUSE OLORUNNIPA, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: The president is eager. He is anxious to get back on to the campaign trail. He says that he is going to be holding a rally as early as this weekend, as early as this Saturday, which we know is just, you know, about 10 days after he was first diagnosed with the coronavirus. And we still do not know sort of whether or not he continues to be contagious or infectious. But he is really anxious to get back on the campaign trail. He has been in quarantine of some kind for the past week plus. This is the final stretch of the campaign. It is clear that the president is going to get back out there and start campaigning even if it may not be safe in terms of public health for him to be out in big crowds and having big groups gathering. But he is talking about getting back on the campaign trail. He is talking about -- essentially saying that he is immune at this point even though it is not clear that he is -- that he is no longer infectious. He is really talking about this battle that he has had with the coronavirus as if he has already defeated it, as if he has already put it behind him, as if he is able and capable of going back about his business and going back to major rallies and major events that led to the spread of this virus not only in the White House but also directly in the Oval Office with the president and the first lady contracting this disease. CURNOW: But the messaging here, beyond the public health concerns about a president or anybody infecting a lot of people in a rally-type scenario, the messaging to ordinary Americans, just before the election, when so many people have died of COVID. OLORUNNIPA: The president seems to be really pushing this message that he was tough, that he got the best medicine and, you know, the coronavirus is not something that people should be afraid of or that people should allowed to dominate their lives. Essentially, that 211,000 plus Americans who've died over the past seven months, the president is saying, you know, this is not something that we need to worry about, that we now have all of these drugs, all of these experimental treatments that he was able to get access to and, you know, Americans should just go back to normal, get back into big crowds, pretend like this coronavirus crisis is not happening. It's really a message that is far out of step with the reality on the ground, which is that the number of cases is growing on a daily basis. We are losing -- almost a thousand Americans every day are dying to this virus. The president, you know, can pretend that this is not a major problem or major challenge or something that is fading away. But that is not the case. So by sending a message that it is OK to go back into big crowds, it is OK to continue holding rallies, it really pushes a message that is far out of step with the actual reality of people continuing to contract this disease and dying at very high numbers even as the president says that this is something that we don't have to worry about. CURNOW: And politically, what is the impact of this messaging, as well? We are seeing him dip in the polls quite significantly, and with that in mind, not taking part in a virtual debate with Joe Biden. Who loses out of that more? I mean is this a president who needs this virtual debate more than Joe Biden? OLORUNNIPA: According to the polls, the president needs something to change the trajectory of the race, much more than his rival. Right now, the president is losing significantly in the public polling to Joe Biden. He is behind in most of the swing states. He is behind on a national level. He needs something to change the race over the next four weeks. Otherwise, he is going to be a one-term president. So, some of his advisers are trying to get to him to change his mind about pulling out of this debate, get into -- find out some way to participate in the debate. They realized that even if the president is doing the rallies, you're never going to get the same kind of audience that you get with a national, televised debate with your rival. Multiple times, the numbers of millions of Americans will be watching if this debate takes place. CURNOW: Toluse, it is always good to speak to you. Thanks so much. I appreciate you joining us. OLORUNNIPA: Thank you. CURNOW: Now, to that alleged plot again with Michigan's governor, 13 people are charged, facing charges for allegedly plotting to kidnap the governor, Gretchen Whitmer. Now, federal and state officials say the end goal was to take over several state governments and incite a civil war. A governor is mincing no words about whom she thinks may have inspired them. Here is Randi Kaye. JOSH HAUXHURST, FBI ASSISTANT SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: The alleged conspirators are extremists who undertook a plot to kidnap a sitting governor. RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): That governor, Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan. Investigators say the men planned to kidnap Whitmer from her vacation home in Michigan before the November election and put her on trial for treason after she shut down the state to stop the spread of the coronavirus. According to the criminal complaint, the FBI began investigating earlier this year after learning of the scheme through social media. They infiltrated the group using confidential informants. In June, the complaint says one of the six main suspects, Adam Fox, live streamed a video on a private Facebook group, complaining about the state of Michigan controlling the opening of gyms. The suspect, allegedly, referred to Governor Whitmer as a "tyrant bitch." The FBI says it has an audio recording of Fox in July, describing the plot as a "snatching grab," saying on the tape, grab the effing governor. Just grab the bitch. In August, the complaint says another suspect stated during an encrypted group chat that one person should knock on the door and when she answers to just cap her. ANDREW BIRGE, U.S. ATTORNEY, WESTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN: The complaint further alleges that Fox purchased a taser for use in the kidnapping and that the group successfully detonated an improvised explosive device wrapped in shrapnel to test its antipersonnel capabilities. KAYE (voice-over): Of the six men at the center of this plot, five are from Michigan. The others are from Delaware, according to the complaint. But they enlisted others, members of a Michigan-based militant group called "Wolverine Watchman." The FBI says this group was planning to assault the Michigan state capital using Molotov cocktails to destroy police cars. In all, 13 people have been implicated in the plot against Michigan state officials and law enforcement. KAYE (voice-over): Says the complaint, the group met in the basement of a business owned by suspect Adam Fox, a basement accessed through a trap door hidden under a rug. This isn't the first time Whitmer's life has been in danger. She faced multiple death threats after issuing stay-at-home orders to help control coronavirus in her state. In April, protesters gathered at the capitol, causing gridlock and demanding the stay-at-home order be lifted. Later that month, this was the scene inside the capital. Protesters are demanding an end to the state of emergency. Many are openly carrying firearms, which is legal in the state. That same month, President Trump tweeted, liberate Michigan. Today, after the plot against her was made public, Governor Whitmer called out the president, who just last week, refused to condemn far- right groups. GOV. GRETCHEN WHITMER (D-MI): Hate groups heard the president's words not as a rebuke, but as a rallying cry, as a call to action. When our leaders speak, their words matter, they carry weight. KAYE: Randi Kaye, CNN, Palm Beach, Florida. CURNOW: Meanwhile, Whitmer took aim at Mr. Trump during her press conference about the plot, calling out the president's inability to disavow hate groups during the debate. Trump senior campaign adviser then slammed her for those comments. Take a listen. JASON MILLER, TRUMP CAMPAIGN SENIOR ADVISOR: These are some pretty shameful comments here from Governor Whitmer. How you can go from a moment of unity to attacking President Trump? I thought it was just completely ridiculous. I mean, if we want to talk about hatred, then Governor Whitmer, go look in the mirror. I mean, the fact that she wakes up every day with such hatred in her heart towards President Trump. CURNOW: The governor responded on CNN's Erin Burnett's "OutFront" show with this. WHITMER: We have a choice between a leader who is going to have his minions attack people when they are being targeted by domestic terror groups, and we have a leader who calls to see how you are doing, to check in, and to see what they can do to help and to be supportive. It tells you everything you need to know about the character of the two people on this ballot that we have to choose from in a few weeks. CURNOW: Let's talk with former Michigan governor, Jennifer Granholm. She is also a senior political commentator here at CNN. Thank you so much for joining us. What are your thoughts this hour, particularly on this very disturbing news about this kidnap plot? JENNIFER GRANHOLM, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, FORMER MICHIGAN GOVERNOR: Yeah. I mean, first, I am angry that the ecosystem has been created by a persistent effort on the part of the president to stoke and stir up these groups that are now threatening to kidnap and kill a sitting governor, much less all of the other harm that they have done across the country in stirring up violence. The ecosystem, the feeling out there, is one of domestic terrorism. That is what they were charged with today. Thank goodness they are off the streets. Thank goodness they won't fulfil the conspiracy that they were plotting. But they are not alone. CURNOW: Yeah. I want to talk about domestic terrorism in just a moment. The president has continued to criticize in a string of tweets the governor. I mean, how inflammatory is that, just for people trying to digest this news in the first place? GRANHOLM: Of course, it is inflammatory. He is out of his mind. It is so ridiculous. I mean, it started with tweets, saying, liberate Michigan, several months ago, when they were all of these protesters at the capitol who were holding up images of Barbie dolls, hung in effigy, who are supposed to represent the governor. These are dangerous people that he is giving oxygen to. He is fueling them. He is not just winking at them anymore. He is basically saying, continue it, because it is the only way, he thinks, that he is going to be able to win this election is by intimidating people, whether it's at the polls or suppressing the vote. This is who he is. He has got to go. CURNOW: Well, there is an election coming up in a few weeks. GRANHOLM: Thank god. CURNOW: And the American people make that choice. If Mr. Trump wins or if he doesn't win, how concerned are you that the genie is out of the bottle when it comes to many of these white supremacists, nationalist groups, domestic terrorist groups, however you want to label them, how concerned are you that this kind of violence targeted, whether it is politicians, journalists, doctors, how concerned are you that this is not going to stop whatever happens come Election Day? GRANHOLM: I mean, obviously, I am concerned and so our law enforcement across the country. GRANHOLM: Frankly, so is the president's own Department of Homeland Security that released a study, just two days ago, calling these kinds of white supremacist groups the most lethal domestic terrorist threat that there is in the United States. He is there just, you know, fueling the fire. CURNOW: To reiterate, you talked about an ecosystem. Are you then suggesting that this is not going to be a one-off? GRANHOLM: Oh, no. CURNOW: Are you concerned about security when it comes to a number of other leaders or politicians in this country? GRANHOLM: Yes, of course. What he has done, this is all being stoked online. Really, the media platforms have got to step up. If you read the criminal complaint that was filed today, you could see that they were all communicating through encrypted messaging online. The platforms have to step up. They removed immediately -- if they think there is an ISIS terrorist threat, they have got to remove these groups. They started -- Facebook started last week by saying that they were going to take down QAnon which is another terrorist, essentially, organization that has been labelled a domestic terror threat. These other groups are equally pernicious. The social media accounts have got to be watched. But this is all happening right now, and the president is taking advantage of this and is going to use it to whatever means, in whatever way he can, especially since I don't think that he is all there honestly after his diagnosis with COVID. I think this -- I don't know. Maybe these drugs are not affecting him on this because he's been doing it a while, but it is certainly not a way to lawfully win an election. CURNOW: Thank you very much for joining us, Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, and giving your perspective. Thank you so much for bringing us your expertise. GRANHOLM: You bet. CURNOW: Still ahead, the economic crisis in Iran is taking another hit with more U.S. sanctions that could have unintended consequences. And also, we continue to track Hurricane Delta, the powerful storm that is expected to hit the U.S. Gulf Coast just a few hours from now. We have a live report after this quick break.

President Trump Says He is Now Recovered from Coronavirus; Thirteen Were Charged in Alleged Plot to Kidnap Michigan Governor; Nancy Pelosi Pushes New Bill To Determine Whether Trump Is Capable To Serve As President Of USA

Präsident Trump sagt, er habe sich vom Coronavirus erholt; Dreizehn Personen wurden wegen des mutmaßlichen Plans zur Entführung des Gouverneurs von Michigan angeklagt; Nancy Pelosi drängt auf einen neuen Gesetzentwurf, um festzustellen, ob Trump in der Lage ist, als Präsident der USA zu dienen

特朗普总统说他已经从冠状病毒中康复；13人被指控密谋绑架密歇根州州长；南希·佩洛西推动新法案以确定特朗普是否有能力担任美国总统

BLITZER: We are following all the late-breaking developments out of the White House. Very disturbing developments indeed, the president's expected event with hundreds on the south lawn of the White House tomorrow, and then a campaign political rally in Florida on Monday, much more on that coming up. But there is other breaking news we are following in The Situation Room right now. We're following the very disturbing conditions along the coast of Southwest Louisiana right now. They are rapidly deteriorating with Category 2 force winds are hitting the area just ahead of Hurricane Delta's expected landfall. Let's check in with CNN's Ryan Young. He's on the scene for us. Ryan what are you seeing? What are you hearing? RYAN YOUNG, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Wolf, we're in Gueydan, Louisiana, and I can tell you just in the last ten minutes or so, you can tell the rain has sort of dropped out but the wind and the pressure still remains pretty strong here. I have a building in front of me that's blocking some of the wind. But as we move this direction, you can see the difference in terms of how the wind is impacting my body. This wind has been picking up for the last two hours or so. And I can tell you that it's been reaching over 65 miles per hour. And that's what some of the residents were concerned about because it's already been impacted so much because of all the wind and the past storms that have been through here. When you drive through the area, there are blue tarps dotting the entire area. And as you talk to business owners, they were hope to sort of get a reprieve from the storm. But now, we believe we might be at the direct path of where the storm is headed. Now, the good news is, so far, that rain has dropped off so we haven't seen the massive amount of flooding that people were concerned about. Then when you talk about people were definitely evacuating this time because some of their structures were not as strong as they have been in the past. The roadways out of here were packed, sometimes three to four hours for a short drive, and on top of that, the scarcity of gas and a lot of locations. And then let's think about the residents who could leave who also were definitely dealing with the fact that being in shelters. We know 8,500 people were left and sheltered from the last storm. And, of course, it probably will swell again. You add the global pandemic, Wolf, and this has really just made this a sort of situation where people think this is -- they hope the hurricane season sort of gives them the last punch from Delta. But, again, we're several hours away from the storm, really picking up its peak, but this wind has just been amazing so far in terms of strength and the powerful punch that is hitting this coast way. Wolf? BLITZER: Ryan, just be careful over there, I am worried about you. Partially, you're a big guy so you'll be safe. Ryan Young on the scene for us, thank you. Let's get some more on this really dangerous storm. Tom Sater is in the CNN Weather Center. I understand you've just got a late breaking forecast, Tom, strong winds, storm surge expected to be, what, a huge problem. TOM SATER, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Surge is already up to nine feet, expected as high as 11. Now, the water six weeks ago, we had a surge east of the center that was anywhere between 11 and 17. So we are not going to see a surge up to 15, 17 feet. But where you saw Ryan reporting, he is now in the eye wall, not in the center of the eye because it's still offshore by 20 miles. But it's really breaking down. We're seeing, Wolf, some winds shear coming through, pushing a lot of the precipitation far off to the north and northeast, and that's where the system is moving. Houston, not into the rainfall, although you did have a wind gust at tropical storm strength at 40, even New Orleans as well. The center, again, just about 20 miles offshore, were looking at landfall possibly within the hour, maybe hour and 15 minutes. Cameron was in the center of Laura and Lake Charles, they were in the eye wall. They were on the eastern part of the eye wall. And I will give you an indication of what we are looking at. We're looking at landfall with Delta here, the first hurricane in history in the Greek alphabet to make landfall in the U.S. probably within ten miles, maybe less than ten miles of Laura just six weeks ago yesterday. Winds are still going to be tremendous from Cameron and Lake Charles to Lafayette. That's where we've got thousands of thousands of homes with tarps. They're not going to be able to withstand this. I mean, the blood sweating tears they went into the cleanup and rebuilding still taking place, some just got their power on last week. That's going to be knocked-off. Already power being reported knockoff to over 50,000, some of those are in Texas. But if you look at our forecast models, this is what I wanted to point out. So our storm center, you see the circulation, 20 miles offshore. Lake Charles was in the eye wall. So that's where they had all the winds. We were expecting with Laura, they would see the winds and the flooding. They didn't get the flooding, thank goodness. That storm surge stayed to the east of that eye wall. And that's where we seeing now already surge up to nine feet, as mentioned. So with this system now, what's going to be a little bit different is we're going to see the other side of the eye wall in Lake Charles. They will not be in the strong winds on the east, they'll be on the west. But that still means eye wall wins. We're still looking at significant wind gust, already getting gusts up to 70 miles per hour off shore, buoys about 78. Tomorrow, and even tonight, the possibility of tornadoes will extend across the parishes of Louisiana and toward areas of Panhandle in Florida. And that goes through the day tomorrow. The system picks up speed. That's great. Laura slowed down. It moved at a snail's phase and that's why we had 15, 20, 25 inches of rainfall all the way in areas toward Pensacola. The amount of rainfall widdling down now because those winds north are pushing it, Wolf, off toward the north, northeast. But still we're going to have totals over ten inches. Again, the fourth named storm to move into Louisiana unprecedented, the tenth named landfall in U.S., in all-time record. The old record back in 1916, Wolf. BLITZER: Very worrisome indeed. All right, Tom Sater, thanks very much. Martin Savidge is joining us right now. He's in Lake Charles, Louisiana, for us, if we can get that shot up. It does not look like we can. We will see if we can reconnect with him. In the meantime, let's take another quick break. Just ahead, we'll return to the coronavirus pandemic and the devastating impact on businesses across the country. Broadway now announcing its stages will be shuttered, closed until the end of at least next May. And the NFL is reacting to recent outbreaks of coronavirus, rearranging its schedule as several players are testing positive. They are trying to keep the season alive. We'll see if they can.

Hurricane Delta Hitting Louisiana as Category 2 Storm

Hurrikan Delta Trifft auf Louisiana als Sturm der Kategorie 2

袭击路易斯安那州的德尔塔飓风为二级风暴

JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: Tune in to CNN's "State of the Union" this Sunday morning. My guests include White House Director of the National Economic Council Larry Kudlow, Joe Biden's deputy campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, and Democratic Senator from Hawaii Mazie Hirono. You can see it at 9:00 a.m., noon Eastern on Sunday. Our coverage on CNN continues right now. I will see you Sunday morning. ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news. WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST: Welcome to our viewers here in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer in THE SITUATION ROOM. We're following breaking news. We're learning that President Trump is now planning to hold an event tomorrow at the White House despite his COVID infection where he'll address hundreds, hundreds of people on the Trump campaign. As just said, the president will also speak at a political campaign rally Monday in Sanford, Florida. Also, breaking, Dr. Anthony Fauci is now calling that Rose Garden ceremony at the White House where Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett, quote, "a superspreader event" where multiple people were likely infected due to the lack of masks and social distancing. Meanwhile, the president is reversing himself once again on a pandemic stimulus package after calling off all talks with House Democrats earlier this week. He is now saying he wants a bigger stimulus deal than either Republicans or Democrats are calling for. And as of this hour, the U.S. coronavirus death toll is now more than 213,000 people with more than 7.6 billion confirmed cases and 28 states. Right now, we are seeing dramatic -- seeing cases on the rise dramatically. Let's get straight to the White House. First our chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta is joining us. Jim, I understand you're getting new details of this event the president is planning to hold at the White House tomorrow afternoon. JIM ACOSTA, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Wolf. And first, we should point out President Trump has been in the Oval Office this afternoon and we are learning as you said the president is planning on hosting an event tomorrow here at the White House even as he is recovering from the virus and other officials could be contagious with COVID-19. The event is planned for the South Lawn and the president is expected to address what is described as hundreds of attendees from the balcony where we saw Mr. Trump after he got out of the hospital earlier this week. And on top of that, the president is planning on holding a rally in the Orlando area on Monday. This busy schedule comes as president is confirming what our sources have been telling us for days that he was in trouble as he grappled with the coronavirus at Walter Reed Medical Center. ACOSTA (voice-over): Keeping behind closed doors and away from reporters, President Trump is turning to a support network of conservative broadcasters to offer new details on his bout with COVID- 19 including an admission that his illness has been far worse than described by the White House. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (via telephone): I was not in great shape and we have a medicine that - that healed me, that fixed me. It's a great medicine. I mean, I feel better now than I did two weeks ago. It's crazy. And I recovered immediately, almost immediately. I might not have recovered at all from COVID. ACOSTA (voice-over): Contrast that with what White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told reporters one week ago. MARK MEADOWS, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: The president does have mild symptoms. ACOSTA (voice-over): Mr. Trump also explained he has dealt with a lingering cough. TRUMP: There's always that little, you know, that little lingering thing for a couple of days, but no I have, I have a - my voice is now perfect. ACOSTA (voice-over): But hold on. That's not what the president's doctor, Sean Conley, stated Wednesday when he said the president has been symptom-free for over 24 hours. Mr. Trump was coughing and having difficulty breathing at times during another softball session on Fox. TRUMP: We had three debates with Hillary. I think the first debate, they -- excuse me. On the first debate, they oscillated the mike. ACOSTA (voice-over): One of two notable moments during the interview. TRUMP: Well, I want them to vote but I will say this. Absentee is OK because absentee ballots - excuse me. Absentee ballots are fine. ACOSTA (voice-over): Contrast the president's sudden candor about his sickness with what he said in a White House video on Monday when he told Americans not to be afraid of the virus. TRUMP: Now I'm better and maybe I'm immune. I don't know. But don't let it dominate your lives. ACOSTA (voice-over): The nation's infectious diseases expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, is dubbing the White House outbreak "a superspreader." DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES (via telephone): The data speaks of themselves. We had a superspreader event in the White House and it was in a situation where people were crowded together, were not wearing masks. So, the data speak for themselves. ACOSTA (voice-over): Yet the White House continues to stonewall the public on when the president last tested negative for the virus with one official refusing to answer that question six times in one interview. BRIAN MORGENSTERN, WHITE HOUSE DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY: Just because he is president doesn't mean he shares every single detail of - of you know his entire life. But we do share enough information certainly for public health purposes. The fact of the matter is there is a reason to share certain information. ACOSTA (voice-over): House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who has accused Mr. Trump of being in an altered state while on his medication introduced a bill that would establish a commission to help enforce the U.S. Constitution's 25th Amendment that calls for executive branch power to be shifted to the vice president when the president is incapacitated. REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): This is not about President Trump. He will face the judgment of the voters. But he shows the need for us to create a process for future presidents. ACOSTA (voice-over): The president is signaling he is ready to work with Pelosi on a massive new coronavirus relief bill after ending stimulus talks earlier this week. TRUMP: I would like to see a bigger stimulus package frankly than either the Democrats or the Republicans are offering. I'm going the exact opposite now, OK? ACOSTA: And CNN has confirmed there have been other COVID-19 positive cases in the White House prior to this latest outbreak that infected the president. One official told CNN some cases have not been made public for privacy reasons and we are waiting on a new statement from the White House doctor. We still don't know what the president's condition is, Wolf, as he is planning these events on the White House South Lawn and the Orlando area on Monday. It sounds very reckless given the fact that we don't know whether or not the president is still spreading the coronavirus around inside the White House. Wolf? BLITZER: Yes, it does. Jim Acosta, thank you very, very much. Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden says he needs an overwhelming election victory to prevent President Trump from challenging the election results. Let's go to our political correspondent Arlette Saenz. She is covering the Biden campaign for us. Arlette, as President Trump continues to question the legitimacy of the upcoming election, how is Joe Biden responding? ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, Joe Biden is telling his supporters to get out there and vote. He made his first stop here in the East Las Vegas area trying to court Latino voters, a critical voting bloc in Nevada. And Biden made it clear that in order for the president, to ensure that the president can't challenge any of the outcomes of the elections, that voters need to head to the polls and to vote for Biden decisively. Take a listen to what he had to say. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: He is trying to scare us. He is trying to convince everybody there is ways they can play with the vote and undermine the vote. They can't. If we show up, we win. And look what has happened in early voting all across America. Long lines. Long lines. We can't just win. We have to win overwhelmingly so he can't be in a position where he can put the phony challenges that he is talking about. SAENZ: So we are reaching that point in the campaign with just 25 days to go where Biden is not just making the case for why voters need to vote for him over President Trump but it's also starting to focus on turnout. Yesterday, he was in Arizona on the second day of early voting. Nevada is set to start early voting in about eight days. So, he is sending that message telling people to make sure that they vote and have their voices heard. Now he is traveling here to Nevada on his first western swing as the general election Democratic nominee. This is the state that both sides want to keep and play. President Trump narrowly lost here to Hillary Clinton back in 2016 but a recent poll by "New York Times" showed that Biden is leading here in the state by about six points. One group that both of these candidates will be courting in the final weeks is Latinos. Biden in a short while will be here in Las Vegas right behind me at a drive-in style event as they are trying to adhere to the regulations surrounding events in states like Nevada due to the coronavirus pandemic. Wolf? BLITZER: All right. Arlette, thank you very much. Arlette Saenz on the scene for us. Let's get some more on all of this. Our chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta is joining us and our chief political analyst Gloria Borger is with us as well. Sanjay, the president is holding another White House event tomorrow afternoon even though he's still for all we know he might be contagious less than a week after getting back from the hospital. He spent four days in the hospital. Now we have learned he is also going to be holding a political campaign rally in Florida on Monday. How reckless is this? DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I mean you know even aside from the fact that the president you know has COVID, he is still dealing with that. It would already be reckless. I mean we are in the middle of a pandemic. I mean at the -- as far as the White House event goes, I mean, we just sort of talked about the fact that there was a superspreader event at the White House last weekend. You bring people together like this, I mean, there is plenty of proof now that this virus is very contagious and can spread in situations like that. And the same thing about Orlando. I mean you know leaving aside again the president's own health, that in and of itself is just -- remains reckless in the middle of a pandemic. Now you know with regard to the White House event, I heard the president is going to be up on the balcony, maybe he will be distanced from people but there's other people at the White House that may have been exposed. We are dealing with a significant you know sort of viral activity at the White House. It's sort of this hot spot for viral activity and I don't know that I would be bringing people into a residence like that right now or even outside the residence. It's a concern. And as far as the rally goes, just like we were talking about a few weeks ago, you know President Trump getting diagnosed, those are concerns. Those are potentially all superspreader events. We saw what happened at the Rose Garden because we were able to see those people, so many of them well-known people. This is happening over and over again at these rallies almost assuredly, Wolf. BLITZER: Certainly is, you know. And Dr. Fauci just said that the data is very clear right now that the last time the White House held a major event the one in the Rose Garden it turned into what he called a superspreader event. I assume you agree with Dr. Fauci? GUPTA: Yes. I mean you know, so what is a superspreader event? It is an event where you have a bunch of people who become infected. Now, you know, one thing that we don't know about that particular event, because they are not really doing any contact tracing, was there a single source, a single individual who was, you know, the source of those infections? Was there more than one person? You would be able answer that question by contacted tracing and really going back and looking at who likely got infected when. But regardless, Wolf, even based on what we know, there are lots of people who, based on the timeline, became infected at that event or events around that day. Maybe they clustered together right before the formal event. Maybe they clustered together afterward. But you can see them sitting close together within six feet for longer than 15 minutes and even though it's outside as we talked about yesterday, Wolf, you have to imagine the virus sort of is like smoke like a camp fire. It can move around even in an outdoor setting like that. BLITZER: Certainly can. You know, Gloria, that U.S. Marine you can see him right there. The Marine guard standing outside the door to the West Wing over the north lawn of the White House, the driveway there, that means the president is now not in the residence but in the West Wing presumably in the Oval Office right now. All of this stuff that is going on. The event tomorrow. The campaign rally in Florida on Monday. The president walking around the large White House campus right now. How outrageous is this kind of behavior? GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Look, it's not presidential behavior. The president is supposed to model good behavior in all ways including medical good behavior. And this is a man who has suffered coronavirus and in his own words he says he was very sick even though he didn't like it when Mark Meadows his chief of staff told reporters that he was quite sick. But now he is bragging about it because he wants to talk about how well he got and how quickly that happened. But presidents are supposed to set examples, Wolf. We tell everybody in this country and Sanjay has said it is gazillion times. Wear a mask. Be socially distant. He is inviting people on to the White House grounds. Let's see how many of them are wearing masks. We all saw the Amy Coney Barrett event which was a superspreader event that Dr. Fauci is talking about. Let's see how many are wearing masks in Orlando. The president may very well protect himself, but what about all of those other people if they don't get infected from him? They could in fact, each other. And this is something that Donald Trump seems to be giving absolutely no thought to. BLITZER: You know It's really amazing when you think about it, Gloria. The president shifting story on so many of these issues, he is flip- flopping across the board. Now he is saying -- told Rush Limbaugh that he was very sick and might not have actually made it. Remember when he came home - BORGER: Right. BLITZER: -- from the hospital, Monday. He said and I'm quoting him. "Don't be afraid of COVID. Don't let it dominate your life." But now he is telling us he might not have made it. How do you explain the shifting story on his part? BORGER: Well, he you know he was lying in one instance and there is only a couple of ways to explain it. One is he wants to show the American public he is some kind of a superman. The other is that he wants to brag about the fact that he is going to get great new drugs approved and pushed out to senior citizens with whom he is losing dramatically to Joe Biden. It's really hard to understand this shifting story and, again, if he is giving -- going to these rallies and he is going to have people at these rallies, presumably without masks, he was telling the American public how sick he was and he still going to do this. That is what I just can't understand. BLITZER: It's really amazing when you think about it. Yesterday, more than 50,000 Americans were confirmed with coronavirus more than 900 Americans died just yesterday. Trust me, these people are very, very angry right now. And the president repeatedly seems to be downplaying the whole thing. Gloria, thank you very much. Sanjay, thanks to you as well. A quick programming note for our viewers. Sanjay and Anderson Cooper will talk with five former CDC directors tomorrow night in a new CNN Global Town Hall Coronavirus Facts and Fears. Tune in tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. Eastern right after our special edition of THE SITUATION ROOM. Up next, House Democrats are pushing a bill that would let Congress assess a president's fitness to serve. I'll speak to the lawmaker, at least one of them, who is deeply behind this. Pushing bill let Congress tennis a fitness service to serve. I'll speak to one of the lawmakers who is deeply behind this.

Infected Trump to Hold WH Event Tomorrow, Florida Rally Monday; Fauci: Rose Garden Ceremony was "A Superspreader Event"; U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Top 213,000 With 7.6 Plus Million Cases; Fauci: Rose Garden Ceremony Was "A Superspreader Event"

Infizierter Trump hält morgen eine Veranstaltung im Weißen Haus und am Montag eine Kundgebung in Florida ab; Fauci: Rose Garden Ceremony was \"A Superspreader Event\"; U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Top 213,000 with 7.6 Plus Million Cases; Fauci: Rose Garden-Zeremonie war ein "Superspreader-Ereignis"

感染病毒的特朗普将于明天在佛罗里达州举行WH活动，周一举行集会；福西：玫瑰园仪式是“一个超级传播事件”；美国冠状病毒死亡人数超过213000人，有760多万例；福西：玫瑰园仪式是“一个超级传播事件”

WHITFIELD: All right. Welcome back. It's official. The second scheduled debate in the presidential campaign is off. The debate committee pulled the plug Friday after President Trump, who is recovering from COVID-19, rejected the committee's plan to replace a face-to-face debate with a virtual event format. David Swerdlick and Julian Zelizer are back with me. So David, the president, who is recovering from the virus, rejects a virtual debate. How does he believe this helps him? SWERDLICK: Well, I think he thinks it helps him, Fred, because he doesn't think that a virtual debate is as good of a show. He's nothing, if not a showman. He wants that in-person debate. He wants that big audience. 70 million people watched that first debate. The problem for him is that vice president Biden won that first debate. So Vice President Biden has the upper hand here in terms of these negotiations and can say, look, we're either going to do it virtual or we're not. President Trump doesn't want to adapt to the reality that we're all dealing with. Kids are going to school on iPads. I'm here at my people's house broadcasting to you from Durham, North Carolina. People have adjusted to the new normal. SWERDLICK: But the president seems to want to say in the case of a debate, for him, he wants to do it the old way, even though the rest of us have adapted, and even though he is the one who currently still hasn't been cleared from his COVID diagnosis. WHITFIELD: Yes. He definitely seems to be saying that message of just like, you know, adapt, change, why, as if -- well, he doesn't know how many -- how everyone has had to adapt and change their lives. He said he doesn't even like this format, this virtual because people could cut him off. And Julian, we see that he didn't respect the rules of the last debate, you know. I want you to listen to what the president said on Fox News yesterday, when asked if he would be willing to do an outdoor debate. TRUMP: Well, I would have no trouble with it at all. In fact, when we have rallies outside, we've had no problem whatsoever. Outside is better than inside, as you know, with this crazy thing that's gone on. WHITFIELD: All right. Julian, no problems whatsoever. I mean, Minnesota is now saying at an event a couple of weeks ago that nine people have tested positive. We know during that Tulsa event, I mean Herman Cain died after, you know, testing positive. So I mean, how is the president -- how does he believe this is a winning strategy to say nothing happens when people have tested positive and worse? ZELIZER: Well, I think his strategy is to deny the obvious and to take a problem that's pretty hard for an incumbent president to be presiding over in the middle of a pandemic, an economy that's frail, civic institutions are just hanging on by a thread. And his solution is just to pretend, in television fashion in some ways, that we can just have a different kind of show. And I do think he's worried about the debate. I think he's worried about a format where he can be controlled in terms of what he says, because he likes to speak, as everyone else is speaking. And I think he likes the physicality of a debate. That's part of how he tries to win. So I think on both fronts that's another element of what's going on. WHITFIELD: David, you know, we actually heard from the Trump campaign, the communications director, telling CNN, quote, "There's nothing that says that President Trump and Joe Biden can't debate together without the overlords at the commission having a say in the matter. We would be glad to debate one on one without the commission's interference," is the word. And again, this is the first time a presidential debate has been canceled, you know, in seven decades. So what is the White House -- what are his people, you know, intimating, saying that this can happen, but the commission is an interference? SWERDLICK: So those words from the White House would have a lot of -- the campaign, I'm sorry, would have a lot more force and a lot more leverage if again, the president had won that first debate. But as our colleagues, Scott Jennings, has said a couple of times, the president came in too hot. He let Joe Biden look like the bigger person. Vice president Biden won the debate, I would say narrowly, but now the Biden campaign and the Commission on Presidential Debates have more leverage in terms of this is either going to go the way we want to, because we want to keep safe distance and COVID protocols, and the president can sort of either go along with it or lump it. I just want to make one quick question -- one quick point about what Julian said because I think it's important. Julian said Trump likes the physicality. He wants to be able to stalk up behind the vice president like he stalked up behind Secretary Clinton. You can't do that in a virtual debate. And we are where we are, in part, because we haven't as a country gotten a handle on the virus and now he's in the position -- look, he can read a poll. He's in a high single digit national poll lead, the vice president is, ahead of President Trump. And President Trump sees that. I make no predictions on what happens on election day, but this is a situation where the Biden campaign can go steady as she goes. The president's campaign is the one that has to think about throwing the long bomb here. WHITFIELD: Julian, do you sum it up that these are all the hallmarks of a desperate presidency? ZELIZER: Well, they are. I mean there's just no way to look at this as an incumbent who is in trouble and a president who is pretty desperate and doing everything from the stuff we've been talking about with the pandemic, the different steps he's taken, to talking about investigations of his political opponents. It doesn't mean he loses, it doesn't mean he can't be victorious. But right now he's acting in a desperate fashion. He's not acting like a leader. He's not acting with poise and command. He's moving from one thing to another, just trying to salvage this campaign right now. WHITFIELD: So if the re-election campaign believes that the debate commission is an interference, is that the excuse that the Trump camp is using when it says it's in talks with NBC now to do a town hall, possibly on Thursday instead of what was the scheduled debate, David? Do they feel like they have more leverage in designing the kind of format they want in what could be a town hall? SWERDLICK: Sure, and look, they can do that. And it's the American people who are going to lose, Fred if we don't have another debate. Because we've seen a lot of town halls and a lot of campaign speeches from both candidates, we're at the point where they should be chopping it up with each other. But I don't think he'll have an audience. If vice president Biden has a town hall, I don't think he'll have as big of an audience either. If we wind up with no more debates, there still could be that third one on October 22nd. It will be a situation where we just see more of what we've seen all year from now until election day. And I want to emphasize again what Julian said. President Trump could win, vice president Biden could win. We don't know what's going to happen on election day. But campaigns, especially President Trump, are running out of options if they don't go head-to-head against their opponent. WHITFIELD: All right. And thus far, Biden does have a scheduled town hall Thursday night on ABC. All right. We'll leave it there for now. David Swerdlick, Julian Zelizer. Thanks so much. Appreciate you both. SWERDLICK: Thanks, Fred. ZELIZER: Thank you. WHITFIELD: All right. Still ahead, coronavirus surge. The United States reporting its highest single-day cases in two months. Now Dr. Deborah Birx has a warning for families this holiday season.

Next Debate Officially Canceled After Infected Trump Refuses Virtual Format

Nächste Debatte offiziell abgesagt, nachdem der infizierte Trump das virtuelle Format ablehnt

特朗普感染新冠病毒拒绝线上辩论，下场辩论正式取消。

SMERCONISH: Back if the early '90s, two Pulitzer Prize winning "Philadelphia Inquirer" reporters went to number one on "The New York Times" best-seller list with their newspaper series turned book. It was called "America: What Went Wrong." Their analysis of patterns among working class people, vanishing jobs, diminishing health care, fading pensions was revelatory and at times controversial. Economists disagreed when they warned of growing income inequality. Well, in fact, new Federal Reserve data just released shows that just 59 Americans own more wealth than the poorest half of the country. One early adherent to their work was then presidential candidate Bill Clinton who waved their book on the campaign trail when discussing the economy. One of the key takeaways of the book that macroeconomic information like unemployment numbers often don't tell the full story of what's going on at the bottom of the economic ladder. Twenty-four years later, another presidential candidate Donald Trump rode some of their criticism of free tray to populous victory. So, what do the authors thing now? This year Jim Steele and Don Barlett updated their work and published "America: What Went Wrong? The Crisis Deepens." And Jim Steele joins me now. So, Jim, you warned of a two-class society and you got blowback from the economists who said, no, this is just creative destruction. What is it that you saw that they didn't? JAMES STEELE, CO-AUTHOR, "AMERICA: WHAT WENT WRONG? THE CRISIS DEEPENS": One of the things we saw, Michael, was that tax policies which were enacted in the '80s were creating income inequality. Some of the economists said that we were alarmists. And in fact there's actually a funny story about this. Our young daughter at the time read one of these criticisms and somebody called us -- aren't these guys Cassandras? And our daughter looked at us and said, Cassandras? Well, dad, wasn't Cassandra right? And the fact of the matter is I think SMERCONISH: When I think -- when I think of the book, I always think of Vise Grip. What's the short version of Vise Grip and what was the bigger lesson? STEELE: Vise Grip was a little company in Nebraska where a gentleman had invented this tool that almost every household has. And he had working people there in Nebraska in the surrounding countryside that produced a good product. They shipped it a around the world. And then one day a big conglomerate bought it. Closed the plant and shipped the work to China where in the beginning the work was very inferior. But the point about this being here were people who had done all the right things. They had even taken extra training, they had provided jobs for families, there were benefits for people. Suddenly all of that was out the window. And that was the story of a lot of industries in the '80s and '90s and beyond and still goes on. And that's why the book which we've updated (ph) and expanded really is in many ways so relevant today because all of these forces are still with us and growing more intense. SMERCONISH: Well, free trade wasn't working for Vise Grip. And someone who would ride a message like that to victory was Donald Trump, right? STEELE: He did. And Trump, I think, correctly realized some of the flaws in free trade. However, the way he has gone about this policy which has been this sort of blanket condemnation of China is not working. What he should have done, he should have linked arms with the Europeans. He should have linked arms with other Asians. Because what China is doing, it's doing to everybody. And a lot of their practices are indeed very, very unfair. And not just to the American industry but the industries all over the world. But you can't go it alone on something like this. You need to be part of that larger world family. And I think if he had done that there might have been some changes. The trade policy with China has been an abysmal failure. Ask the farmers in the Midwest, ask a lot of people in small companies who can't get certain supplies now, certain equipment, there's been a lot of bluster on that. Look at Foxconn is the great Chinese company out of Taiwan that makes a lot of Apple products in mainland China. They were going to put a plant in Wisconsin. There was a big to do about this, big news releases. Go to that plant today and the last news release I've seen about it was basically empty. So that's like a -- SMERCONISH: But you do have to say -- Jim, you do have to say that they've been picking our pocket for decades including on intellectual property. And finally -- STEELE: Yes. SMERCONISH: -- at last there's been blowback to that. I have to ask you, because I'm limited on time, the most important question of all. Is it too late? STEELE: No, it's not too late. We've had other times in this country where we've come together to help people when they're in trouble, whether it was the Pure Food and Drug Act, taxation issues, security issues. Look at Medicare in the '60s. Where would we be in this country today if we didn't have Medicare in terms of older people? Social security. All of those things were fought bitterly by people who thought the government shouldn't have any role in it. That shows you what can happen and it's very important. We can do that again. We just have to have the will to do it. I think the majority of people want that, but so far, they've been blocked in Congress. And if that changes I can see a much brighter future for America. SMERCONISH: Barlett and Steele, ahead of their time. Thank you so much for being here. STEELE: Always great to be with you, Michael. SMERCONISH: I want to make that sure you're answering the survey question this hour at Smerconish.com. Do you trust the Trump versus Biden polling data? I laid it all out at the beginning of the program. Still to come, you're going to love this. Was the original Eucharist a psychedelic? A provocative new book says yes, and the author is here to explain.

Is The Economic Crisis Snowballing?

Verschlimmert sich die Wirtschaftskrise??

经济危机在滚雪球？

ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the United States and all around the world. You are watching CNN Newsroom. And I'm Rosemary Church. Just ahead, the U.S. president is heading back out on the campaign trail less than two weeks after being hospitalized for the coronavirus. The U.K. is set to unveil new measures for England as a second coronavirus wave hits Europe. And confirmation hearings for President Trump's Supreme Court pick are set to kick off today. Amy Coney Barrett's fate will be front and center. Good to have you with us. Well, a second wave of COVID-19 is striking countries around the world, and as we count down to election day here in the United States, we are also counting a major jump in new infections. Daily cases have been shooting past 50,000 for the first time since August. The virus has killed more than 214,000 Americans. And former director of the Centers for Disease Control says the U.S. will lose another 20,000 lives by November. But U.S. President Donald Trump's reaction to the virus remains little changed, a week after leaving the hospital, he is downplaying the virus and trying to spin his COVID diagnosis for political gain. In a tweet he claims he is immune with a clean bill of health. Twitter flagged that as misleading and potentially harmful. The president tried to explain his conditions Sunday on Fox News. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I have to tell you, I really feel fantastically. I really feel good. I even feel good by the fact that you know, the word immunity means something, having -- having really a protective glow, it means something. I think it's very important to have that. CHURCH: Well, the president is also gearing up for more campaign rallies as he comes under 5 for a misleading ad. CNN's Jeremy Diamond has details now from Washington. JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN White HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: President Trump is heading back to the campaign trail, hitting a trio of battleground states, beginning today in Florida. Tomorrow, the president is going to go to the battleground state of Pennsylvania before heading to Iowa on Wednesday. Now President Trump heading back onto the campaign trail after the president's physician says that he has recovered from the coronavirus, also saying that the president is no longer infectious. Now the president himself claimed that he had gotten a negative test for coronavirus, but the president's physician Dr. Sean Conley didn't exactly say that. Instead, he said simply that the president's latest molecular test for coronavirus show that he is no longer infectious, that he can't infect other people, but he did not say that the president had tested negative for the virus. But nonetheless, the president and his campaign are seizing on that letter from Dr. Sean Conley to say that that second debate that had been canceled by the Commission on Presidential Debates after President Trump withdrew from that second debate. The president's campaigns are calling for that debate to be reinstated, saying the president should be able to participate after he has been cleared by his doctor to resume public activity. But another controversy is hitting the president and his team on Sunday. Dr. Anthony Fauci putting out a statement to CNN after the Trump campaign aired this misleading ad. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: President Trump is recovering from the coronavirus, and so is America. Together, we rose to meet the challenge. President Trump tackled the virus head on, as leaders should. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: I can't imagine that anybody could be doing more -- DIAMOND: Now Dr. Fauci saying in a statement to CNN, in my nearly five decades of public service I have never publicly endorsed any political candidate. The comments attributed to me without my permission in the GOP campaign ad were taken out of context from a broad statement I made months ago about the efforts of federal public health officials. Now it is clear from looking at that interview which was taped all the way back in March in the early months of this pandemic that Dr. Fauci was indeed referring to the members of the coronavirus task force and other public health officials, but nonetheless, the president and his campaign standing by the ad, the president noting that these are Dr. Fauci's own words. Of course, what is notable here is that the president and his reelection campaign seem to realize that the president is getting bad marks on his handling of the coronavirus. Nearly 6 in 10 Americans have said in recent polls that they disapprove of the president's handling of the virus. And what's also clear is that the campaign is using Dr. Fauci's image and his words here, because Fauci is far more trusted by the public on this issue of the coronavirus than the president is himself. CHURCH: Joining me now is Dr. Ashish Jha. He is dean of the Brown University School of Public Health. Thank you, doctor, for talking with us and for all that you do. ASHISH JHA, DEAN, BROWN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH: Thank you very much for having me on. CHURCH: So, President Trump's physician has medically cleared him to return to his public schedule after being infected with COVID-19. Let's just look at the wording of his doctor's memo. In addition to the president meeting CDC criteria for the safe discontinuation of isolation, this morning's COVID PCR sample demonstrates by current recognize standards he is no longer considered transmission risk to others. So why doesn't the doctor just say the president tested negative for COVID-19 if that indeed is the case? Because President Trump himself trick claimed on Sunday that he tested totally negative, those are his words. Is there a difference between not the being a transmission risk and testing negative? JHA: Yes, so, you know, the messages from Dr. Conley, the president's physician are consistently convoluted and difficult to decipher. My best read is that the president is still testing positive which is actually pretty common and people well after they have stopped being infectious. So, we always have to turn to other factors and make a determination whether somebody is infectious or not. But again, it's not completely clear from Dr. Conley's note. And of course, you know, the president contradicting his own physician models the picture even further. CHURCH: But a doctor would say he tested positive if he tested positive, or negative? JHA: You would think a simple thing like whether his PCR test was positive or negative would be reported as such. That is not what Dr. Conley did. Again, there has been this pattern from Dr. Conley to try to be as evasive and confusing as possible, which unfortunately actually opens up for a lot of conspiracy theories and a lot of -- I don't think he intends for that to happen, but a straightforward answer on what the president's tests result are, would have been very helpful. CHURCH: Right. And now President Trump plans to hold rallies in Florida, Pennsylvania, and Iowa this week. What are the potential risks posed to those attending these rallies? But of course, the president himself, because he will be standing for some time. And it's going to be pretty hot in Florida. JHA: Yes. You know, I understand the desire for rallies in the weeks leading up to the election. But at the end of the day, public health has got to come first. And what we are seeing, we are seeing data emerge from his Minnesota rally, that there were new infections. People were hospitalized from that. These rallies are frankly dangerous, because you've got large numbers of people gathering. They are stationary together. Most of them don't wear masks, and there is very little social distancing. So even when the president was well, these were dangerous. And of course, right now, when we don't have clarity about the president's infectious status, it adds just more confusion and more concern to these rallies. So of course, as a public health person I would not recommend the president hold them, and I would not recommend that people attend them. CHURCH: Right. And the president's medical team still refuses to answer the question when he last tested negative. Why are they not telling us that, do you think? And do we have the right to know that information? JHA: I do think we have a right to know. He is a public figure. And when he goes and travels places, it's often on public expense, and of course, if he traveled to the debate after testing positive, or if he traveled to Minnesota or New Jersey after testing positive, and people who are there have a right to know. So, there are all sorts of good reasons why the president's team should be forthcoming. This is not a privacy issue. This is just a transparency issue. And it's also a public health issue, to make sure people might have been exposed to get adequate care of themselves. CHURCH: Dr. Ashish Jha, always a pleasure and an honor to speak with you. Many thanks. JHA: Thank you for having me on. CHURCH: COVID-19 is on the rise in Europe. And you can see several countries on the continent in dark red on this map tracking week on week cases. France posted a record over the weekend, nearly 27,000 new cases Saturday. That came down Sunday when numbers are usually low due to less testing. Russia has just reported three days of record high cases. Their latest report is well over 13,000. And the United Kingdom is about to take action. Prime Minister Boris Johnson is now set to announce new coronavirus alert levels designed to curb infections rising in certain locations. And our correspondents are tracking developments across Europe. Nic Robertson is live in London. He joins us now. And Scott McLean is standing by in Berlin. Good to see you both. So Nic, let's start with you. And the prime minister will soon outline new COVID restrictions as cases surge. What is expected? NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well, one idea behind what the prime minister is doing is really to simplify the picture across the country so that people can understand what the restrictions in their areas are. Up until now there has been a patchwork of different lockdowns in different areas. So, what the prime minister is expected to do today is to announce these three different tiers, medium, high, and very high. Now we don't know precisely what restrictions will come into play with each of those tiers, or what the criteria is to be in one of those particular tiers, how high the infectious rate has to be in your area, for example. We don't know those specific levels yet. But what the prime -- what we do know is that the city of Liverpool is expected to be in the highest tier and they are expecting to have their pubs, their casinos and their gyms shut down. But there still seems to be a question for Liverpool whether or not their restaurants will be shut down. And it does seem that the government at this moment is still fine-tuning precisely what being one of those tiers implies. Now, one of the problems the government is facing at the moment is that the worst cases of rates of infection are in the north of the country. There has been huge pushback from the councils in the north of the country who say that the government is getting it wrong. That local lockdowns there at the moment aren't bringing infection rates down sufficiently. They want more detail about the rules that the government has been imposing. So there has been this pushback from the councils. There is anger in the north of the country, that they feel that this is something that is being imposed by the south of the country, that they may face their pubs being closed while in London the pubs will be open. So, this is a time again where the prime minister is trying to gain the confidence of the country with a simple message. It's not going to at all be easy. Rosemary? CHURCH: It certainly won't. Nic Robertson, many thanks to you. And turning to Scott now. Scott, Germany France and other European nations are struggling with restrictions and increasing case numbers. What is the latest on that across Europe? SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Rosemary. So here in Germany, first off, almost every large city is now a coronavirus hot spot. Stuttgart has even called in the military for help. And it is not just Germany seeing big problems when it comes to the coronavirus. This weekend, France, Czech Republic and Poland all recorded record new daily case counts. In fact, Poland saw four straight days of record new case counts. Paris has closed bars and restaurants. Meanwhile some hospitals in northern France are canceling non-COVID related procedures to make way for the influx of coronavirus patients. Meanwhile, the U.S., India, and Brazil are undoubtedly the worldwide hotspots. They though are starting to see case counts slowly declining or perhaps slowly rising, but in Europe, the case counts are only going in one direction, and that is straight up. The worst affected country here in Europe is the Czech Republic. And when you add them to that same graph, per million people, their case counts have absolutely skyrocketed. Which is interesting, because the Czech Republic is really an early success story when it came to getting a handle on the virus, they immediately moved to closed borders, requiring negative tests for the people that it did allow into the country. Now the Czech prime minister though, is calling on all health workers across the country to contribute to the effort to tamp down this virus after a large number of doctors and nurses tested positive for the virus. He is also warning people that there could be a second nationwide lockdown if things don't turn around. And across Europe countries are really trying everything that they can to avoid that second lockdown. Italy is now requiring masks to be worn in public spaces even outdoors. Here in Germany there are already stringent controls for people coming into the country from high-risk areas when it comes to testing. There is also a nationwide mandate to wear masks in shops and in stores and on public transit. But this weekend Berlin in particular where cases have been exceptionally high also required pubs and restaurants to close their doors at 11 p.m. And that's a big deal for Berlin. It's famous for its night life. In fact, normally the bars here don't have to close at all. They can go right through to the morning. Later today, though, Rosemary, German officials will give an update announcing new testing procedures or new testing strategy, I should say, and also new rules for quarantine. CHURCH: Yes. And masks, of course, they are the key, can't label that message enough. Scott McLean, many thanks for that live report. I appreciate it. And still to come, confirmation hearings begin today for President Trump's Supreme Court nominee. Amy Coney Barrett, Republicans are moving forward and they are not letting the coronavirus get in their way. Plus, the pandemic's severe impact on young people in the U.S. How millennials and members of generation Z are struggling to get by.

President Trump Double Time Campaigning; Coronavirus in Iran Skyrocketed; Trump Back in Campaign Trail; Dr. Fauci Not a Politics Person; U.K. With New COVID Restrictions; Europe Hit by a Second Wave

Präsident Trump macht doppelt Wahlkampf; Coronavirus im Iran sprunghaft angestiegen; Trump zurück im Wahlkampf; Dr. Fauci kein Politiker; Großbritannien mit neuen COVID-Beschränkungen; Europa von einer zweiten Welle getroffen

特朗普总统两次竞选；伊朗的冠状病毒飙升；特朗普重回竞选轨道；福奇博士不是一个政治人物；英国面临新的限制；第二波冲击欧洲

CHURCH: The Los Angeles Lakers have won the 2020 NBA championship. They defeated the Miami Heat in game 6 Sunday night. It's the Lakers 17th title all-time tying the Boston Celtics for the most in league history. LeBron James was named the finals MVP. Former President Barack Obama congratulated the Lakers and the Seattle storm winning the WNBA title thing he was proud of how the league's teams and players used their voices for racial justice. And in tennis, Rafael Nadal's victory at the French Open earned him his 20th Grand Slam title. It ties him with Roger Federer's all-time record, Nadal beat rival Novak Djokovic in straight sets in Sunday's final. The 34-year-old Spaniard says he is pleased with his performance. RAFAEL NADAL, 2020 FRENCH OPEN WINNER: Yes. Well, of course, I played an amazing level of tennis now. For two sets and a half I played great. Honestly. I can't say another thing. It is impossible to play against him without playing great. NOVAK DJOKOVIC, LOST FRENCH OPEN TO NADAL: Just he did, you know, he surprised me with the way he was playing and the quality of tennis he was producing and the level. I mean, it was phenomenal. I mean, he played a perfect match. The coronavirus pandemic forced tennis organizers to move the French Open from its usual late May start. And I want to thank you for joining me this hour. I'm Rosemary Church. I'll be back with more news in just a moment. Stick around.

Nadal 20th Win in 2020

Nadal 20. Sieg im Jahr 2020

纳达尔2020年第20胜

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: President Trump is heading back to the campaign trail, hitting a trio of battleground states. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people have been with him, said he's fine, he's peppy. He will go on ahead. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's foolish for him to do it. It's going to be hard for him to do it and it might give him a big setback. We don't really know whether he's still infectious. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For the first time since August, the U.S. has reported four consecutive days of more than 50,000 new daily coronavirus cases. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're already seeing a sharp increase in the northern Midwest. That will probably start going up in the northeast, as well. It will be a sad time in the fall and winter. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to be very clear. I'm afraid of COVID. I'm afraid of what's going to happen in the winter. I'm afraid of our surges. We anticipate they are going to happen. ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman. ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and all around the world. This is NEW DAY. It is Monday, October 12, 6 a.m. here in New York. President Trump is returning to the campaign trail today. He plans to hold rallies, despite the risk to public health. The president got out of the hospital one week ago after being treated for coronavirus, and he claims he has now tested negative, but the White House has still not provided any proof. Just 22 days to go until the election. The president has a packed schedule. He will hold four rallies over the next four days. Now, if you're wondering what has happened to some people who have been at these rallies, well, at least nine people who attended a Trump rally in Minnesota last month have been infected with coronavirus. One of them is in intensive care this morning. As for Joe Biden, he is in Ohio today. His running mate, Kamala Harris, will participate in a Senate confirmation hearing for Amy Coney Barrett, but do so remotely. JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: So here's the thing. The most important headline this morning is this. The coronavirus situation in the country is not good. In fact, in some ways, it's very bad, as bad as it has been in months. The U.S. is now averaging just under 50,000 new cases reported a day. That's the highest number in two months. Thirty-one states across the country are seeing a rise in cases. Six states are reporting record hospitalizations. One model now predicts that 181,000 more Americans will die by February. A hundred and eighty-one thousand more people dead by February. So that is the environment in which the president is choosing to gather crowds. It's a risky public health choice and a questionable political choice. Speaking of which, the president managed to alienate Dr. Anthony Fauci, using footage of Fauci in a campaign ad without the doctor's knowledge or permission. And Fauci is not one bit happy; says his words were taken out of context. Let's begin at the White House with Joe Johns. And Joe, the president heading back out into the country as the number of cases continue to rise. JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: That's right, John. The president heads out to Florida today. Later this week, he's also going to Pennsylvania, Iowa, North Carolina. It's what a candidate does when he's behind in the polls in the presidential race. However, we still have very little verifiable information about the president's health, except for what he and his doctors say, including whether the president is contagious. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We're starting very, very big with our rallies and with our everything. JOHNS (voice-over): With just 22 days until election day, Trump is ramping up his campaigning, causing rising concerns about potential coronavirus spread among rallygoers. The Minnesota Department of Health reporting at least nine cases linked to a Trump rally in September, landing one patient in the ICU. TRUMP: This is a lot of people. That's great. Thank you very much. JOHNS: While the president claims he has tested negative for the virus, nine days after he initially revealed his positive diagnosis, his physician, Dr. Conley, only says he is not a transmission risk to others. DR. ROCHELLE WALENSKY, CHIEF, DIVISION OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES, MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL HOSPITAL: We know that the PCR test usually remains positive for some period of time, up to, in fact, 12 weeks after your initial positive. JOHNS: Much still remains unknown about the president's condition, and Trump himself is now saying he's immune from the virus. TRUMP (via phone): I beat this crazy, horrible China virus, and it also gives you immunity. I mean, it does give you immunity. And I have to tell you, I feel fantastically. I really feel good. And I even feel good by the fact that, you know, the word immunity means something, having -- having, really, a protective glow. It means something. I think it's very important to have that. JOHNS: According to medical experts, much is still unknown about the immune response to the virus, and there is no proven immunity. DR. CELINE GOUNDER, FORMER NYC ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER OF HEALTH: Yes, the president has tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, but he was treated with antibodies produced by Regeneron. Those Regeneron antibodies are going to be floating around for a while. JOHNS: Meanwhile, Dr. Anthony Fauci speaking out after he says the Trump campaign used his words out of context, and without his consent, in a campaign video. Fauci tells CNN, "In my nearly five decades of public service, I have never publicly endorsed any political candidate. The comments attributed to me without my permission in the GOP campaign ad were taken out of context from a broad statement I made months ago about the efforts of federal public health officials." The president defending the ad, tweeting, "They are, indeed, Fauci's own words." JOHNS: Joe Biden is out on the trail again today, too, headed to Ohio. Meanwhile, the Trump campaign is slamming the Presidential Debate Commission for canceling the second debate, even though it was the president himself who said he would not participate if it was held virtually. All eyes now on the date of October 22 for another debate. John, back to you. BERMAN: Clearly, the Trump campaign regrets the president's rapid and hasty withdrawal from that debate. Clearly, they wish they probably didn't do that so quickly. Joe Johns, thank you very much for being with us. This morning, the U.S. is seeing this alarming uptick in coronavirus cases, averaging now just under 50,000 new cases a day. And you can get a sense of what's going on around the country. Montana now has reported more than 5,000 new cases in just the last 11 days. It took the state five months to reach 5,000 cases at the beginning of the pandemic. CNN's Alexandra Field joins us now with the very latest. And we are seeing this rise. We haven't been where we are right now since the beginning of August, Alexandra. ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No, the struggle is real across the country. The predictions for what could happen in the next few months are dire. Right here in New York City, a state that has one of the lowest positivity rates in the nation, we are continuing to see a cluster of cases. The governor is saying the only way forward, the only way to tackle these hot spots is with aggressive enforcement. He says the hot spots are still largely affecting Hasidic Jewish communities. There are strict restrictions on religious gatherings now that have been met by protests in some orthodox neighborhoods. Those restrictions remain in place as the city tries to beat these hot spots. Nationwide, much the same. You're seeing 31 states with an increase in cases. Some 50,000 cases a day on average last week. That is double the number of what we were seeing -- or rather, that is the highest number that we have seen in more than two months. At the same time, we're looking at projections now from IHME. These projections have in the past been accurate, if not conservative. IHME is now projecting that we could see some 395,000 deaths by February 1. If social distancing and other restrictions are eased, that number could go up over 500,000. And perhaps most interestingly, John and Alisyn, IHME is also projecting that if 95 percent of people wore masks, some 80,000 lives could be saved between now and February 1. Something to think about. CAMEROTA: That is such a critical number. The amount of lives that could be saved. FIELD: It's so simple. CAMEROTA: Thank you so much. We'll get into that later in the program. Meanwhile, joining us now, CNN medical analyst Dr. Jonathan Reiner. He's a professor of medicine at George Washington University and cardiologist for former Vice President Dick Cheney. Also with us, CNN political commentator Errol Louis. He's the political anchor of Spectrum News. Great to have both of you. Dr. Reiner, President Trump seems to be taking a lot of solace in the notion that he is now immune. Of course, the larger concern should be for the people that he comes in contact with. Case in point, he'll be holding a rally today in Florida. You know, there's been a lot of question about what happens to rallygoers after they go to one of these big, often maskless Trump campaign rallies. And we now have a little bit of information, thanks to the Minnesota Department of Public Health. They did some contact tracing. And they found out that after the September 18 rally in Minnesota, nine people here became infected with coronavirus. One of these people -- we don't know their identity -- is in the ICU this morning. Two more people got infected at a counter rally that same day. And so for everybody who's been wondering, gosh, what -- and by the way, that one was outdoors. OK? What we just saw was outdoors. There have been some indoor rallies. And so we're starting to see reporting, as you had predicted, of some of the consequences. DR. JONATHAN REINER, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: Right. We're in the middle of a pandemic. I mean, this sounds so elemental. It's a pandemic with a very contagious virus. If you bring a lot of people together, particularly if you bring a lot of people together who aren't wearing face masks, then the virus will spread. Look, we had a gigantic outbreak in D.C. because of White House activities. Because of White House activities. In a city with only about a 1 percent positivity rate, it spiked because of White House activities. About 34 people associated with the White House itself have been infected with this virus. So now the president is going to take his road show down to Florida. Florida has a positivity rate of 10 percent, which is about twice the national average. So rather than making the same recommendation to the country, which is to lower our viral footprint, do the things that will protect us. And when I tell my patients to lower their viral footprint, that means, you know, minimizing how many times you go to the store, keeping out of crowds, wearing a face mask, keeping your distance from people. If the elevator stops and there are a couple of people in it, wait for the next elevator. These are common sense things. What I don't tell people to do is to go to a giant rally. So -- but now the president is emboldened. He feels that he's immune. He feels that he got let off easy, and he's been playing it down from -- from the beginning. So now basically, his message is, I got through this, I beat this, and that's exactly the wrong message when we're averaging about 50,000 cases a day. BERMAN: You know, Errol, the irony here is, it's clearly bad public health. Just listen to Dr. Reiner here. There's no question this is bad public health. But politically, it doesn't seem to be particularly good thinking, either. I mean, why let yourself be put on camera in front of thousands of people who aren't social distanced when Americans already doubt how you're handling the pandemic? ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, that's right, John. In fact, what it does, in effect, is pit the president against most of the governors, much of the public health establishment, and how this plays out locally. Hey, the president is coming to town. There's going to be some big excitement coming to town. That's the whole point of going there to campaign. On the other hand, every local news organization is also going to have to point out that this runs counter to what everyone has been saying for the last eight, nine months now, that you've got to have social distancing, you've got to have face coverings, and that this infectious spread is very real and that it has affected everyone, up to and including the president of the United States. So it's one thing to run against Joe Biden. It's a much, much tougher pull to run against the entire public health establishment of the United States, including members of his own administration. That, however, is what the president has chosen to do. That is a marker, by the way, John, I think, of where the campaign sees itself. We know that all of the polls show that he's running behind both nationally and in key swing states. But it suggests also this kind of hail Mary approach to this, that they feel like they're not making up ground. And that each news cycle that slips by without them making up that ground means they've got to try something bigger and bolder. And I think that's what these very otherwise reckless rallies represent. CAMEROTA: But, I mean, Errol, very quickly, is this a hail Mary or are they just -- President Trump thinks this these big rallies work for him? He's playing the hits. This is what he thinks, you know, has worked for him in 2016, and he's going back to that. LOUIS: There's some of that, Alisyn, but I think there's also -- this campaign has not caught up with what the Biden campaign has figured out, which is how to do -- how to do rallies, how to do local hits, how to campaign on the campaign trail in a way that is both safe and also effective. So you see all of these different things that the Biden/Harris campaign has put together, where they'll bring in local people, but have them socially distanced. They'll have a town hall, but have them socially distanced. There are ways to do this. The Trump campaign is just behind, I think, in trying to figure out how to do it effectively. And again, they're -- they're running out of days to figure it out. BERMAN: Yes. There's a good chance it's self-destructive. There's a good chance this backfires among seniors in Florida. He's going to Florida, where he's having trouble with seniors, so why not put yourself on TV looking like you're not respecting the coronavirus restrictions that the CDC says are necessary? Why not get in a fight with the most respected doctor in America? Dr. Reiner, it's just fascinating. The Trump campaign put Dr. Fauci in an ad, this sound bite from Dr. Fauci, that so clearly takes him out of context. It's just crystal-clear. And Fauci didn't like it. I mean, Fauci doesn't want to get involved in politics. Wherever we have him on, he dances around it the best he can. But basically, the Trump campaign put him in a position where he had to say, I didn't say the president was doing a good job. I mean, what does it feel like to be someone in the public health establishment trying to stay out of politics and being dragged in? REINER: Well, first of all, what they're doing to Tony Fauci is, they're muzzling him. Tony Fauci is really the scientific leader of the COVID task force. He's the voice that most Americans look to for answers and for solace and for direction. But this weekend, he was largely muzzled. I've actually thought that he should speak out anyway. I don't think this administration can fire Tony Fauci. And he should not allow himself to be -- to be muzzled. So they don't want him to speak out now, but they want to use his words to create some sort of false portrait of the administration's response. And -- and he's just had it. He's just had it. And he'll tell the public he's had it. It's -- the whole communication process for this virus has been just so badly mishandled by this administration, and they keep stepping in it. I mean, they're going to go to Iowa this week? Iowa has an 18 percent positivity rate. They're going -- they're going to the heartland of the virus. I mean, the president is basically running against the virus, and the virus is winning. The big -- I don't think the -- the way forward is to actually go into the hot zones. CAMEROTA: Yes, in fact, I just want to very quickly, before we go, read what the mayor of Des Moines is saying. "Absolutely, I'm worried about the spread. We don't want a super-spreader event here in Des Moines. We urge everyone who would attend this event to wear a mask and social distance as best they can and to stay safe and healthy." So, yes, we take your point that local officials are worried. Errol, Dr. Reiner, thank you both very much. REINER: Sure. CAMEROTA: Coming up, more on the alarming spike in cases across the country. Nearly 50,000 new cases now being reported every single day. So what is fueling this surge?

Trump Returns to Campaign Trail Despite Public Health Risks; Cases Rising in 31 States, Record Hospitalizations in 6 States.

Trump kehrt trotz Risiken für die öffentliche Gesundheit auf den Wahlkampf zurück; Fälle steigen in 31 Staaten, Rekord-Krankenhausaufenthalte in 6 Staaten.

尽管存在公共卫生风险，特朗普重返竞选之路；31个州的病例增加，6个州住院人数创纪录。

JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: In minutes, I'm going to talk to Dr. Fauci, as we wait for President Trump to depart the White House and perhaps talk to reporters, as he heads to a campaign rally in Florida tonight. It's the first of four Trump rallies this week, as President Trump continues to defy all public health guidance in stopping the spread of this deadly virus, astoundingly continuing to hold rallies, with no requirement of masks or distancing, rallies that we know have led to his very own supporters getting infected, and worse. This comes even in the wake of his own battle with coronavirus, in which he was able to get experimental drugs and treatment not available to those whom he is inviting into harm's way. President Trump, in an effort to secure his own political future, is putting the health and lives of his supporters at risk. And, as CNN's Kaitlan Collins reports, the president's physician has yet to say whether or not his client, his patient has tested negative for the virus. KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After being sidelined from the campaign trail because of coronavirus, President Trump returns tonight with an outdoor rally in Florida. It'll be his first appearance outside Washington since testing positive. And, as his opponent is widening his lead, Trump is packing his schedule, with more rallies in Pennsylvania, Iowa and North Carolina this week alone. But questions remain unanswered about the president's condition. QUESTION: Has the president tested negative for coronavirus? COLLINS: White House officials won't say whether he's tested negative, and Trump's doctor hasn't taken questions from reporters in a week, leaving the president to spin his own health. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm immune for, I don't know, maybe a long time, or maybe a short time. It could be a lifetime. Nobody really knows. But I'm immune. COLLINS: The science on immunity is still out, though CDC guidelines do say that those who had COVID-19 can be around others starting 10 days after their symptoms first appeared. And there are also still questions about whether the White House is taking COVID-19 seriously, after Chief of Staff Mark Meadows refused to answer questions when reporters asked him to keep his mask on inside today. MARK MEADOWS, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: Let me do this. Let me pull this away. QUESTION: Yes. Pull away. MEADOWS: And then, that way, I can take this off to talk. QUESTION: No. MEADOWS: Well, I'm more than 10 feet away. I'm not -- well, I'm not going to talk through a mask. COLLINS: The president is returning to the trail, as Dr. Anthony Fauci says a new campaign ad that features him is misleading. NARRATOR: President Trump tackled the virus head on, as leaders should. DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: I can't imagine that anybody could be doing more. COLLINS: Dr. Fauci says that ad misrepresented what he said seven months ago. FAUCI: I'm not the only one. There's a whole group of us that are doing that. It's every single day. So, I can't imagine that, under any circumstances, that anybody could be doing more. COLLINS: Fauci told CNN in a statement he has never endorsed any political candidate and his comment was "taken out of context from a broad statement I made months ago about the efforts of federal public health officials." COLLINS: So, clearly, Jake, Dr. Fauci not happy with that ad. But we should talk about the president's campaign schedule. He's got at least four rallies this week. But we're told by campaign officials that he's been on their case to add more to his schedule, and they said to expect it to go up to two to three events per day soon. And we should note, his campaign manager, who tested positive for coronavirus 10 days ago, did tell reporters today he is back at the office, which he says is in compliance with those CDC guidelines -- Jake. TAPPER: All right. Well, we're glad he's feeling better. Kaitlan Collins at the White House, thank you. TAPPER: Here to discuss, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the NIH, and a key member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force. Dr. Fauci, good to have you back. I do have to ask you about this Trump campaign advertisement where you're on camera saying -- quote -- "I can't imagine that anybody could be doing more." You quickly came out with a statement that noted that that sentence had been taken out of context. You were talking about the whole-of- government response, not President Trump. And, of course, you have never endorsed a presidential candidate in your five decades of public service. Should the Trump campaign take this ad down? FAUCI: You know, I think so, Jake. I think it's really unfortunate and really disappointing that they did that. It's so clear that I'm not a political person. And I have never either, directly or indirectly, endorsed a political candidate. And to take a completely out-of-context statement and put it in which is obviously a political campaign ad, I thought was really very disappointing. TAPPER: What would you say if I told you I heard that the Trump campaign was actually preparing to do another ad featuring you? FAUCI: You know, that would be terrible. I mean, that would be outrageous, if they do that. In fact, that might actually come back to backfire on them. I hope they don't do that, because that's -- that would be kind of playing a game that we don't want to play. So, I hope they reconsider that, if, in fact, they are, indeed, considering doing that. I hope that they reconsider and not do that. TAPPER: The -- let's talk about the pandemic, because, right now, President Trump is getting ready to leave for Florida. That's a state that has an 11 percent positivity rate. That's pretty high. Any minute, he's going to go there to hold an outdoor campaign rally. Now, you called the Rose Garden event two or so weeks ago a super- spreader event, no distancing, very few masks. We know that previous Trump rallies in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and Minnesota have led to infections and illnesses, possibly even death. We know the Trump campaign does not require masks, they do not require distancing. As a public health matter, how worried are you about these rallies that the president is kicking off? FAUCI: Yes, you know, Jake, I'm glad you used that word as a public health matter, because put aside all of the issues of what political implications a rally has, and just put that aside, and look at it purely in the context of public health. We know that that is asking for trouble when you do that. We have seen that, when you have situations of congregate settings, where there are a lot of people without masks, the data speak for themselves. It happens. And now is even more so a worse time to do that, because, when you look at what's going on in the United States, it's really very troublesome. A number of states right now are having increase in test positivity, states above the Sunbelt, states in the Sunbelt. If you look at the map with the color coding of cases and states that are going up, you see states in the Northwest and the Midwest, it's going in the wrong direction right now. So, if there's anything we should be doing, we should be doubling down in implementing the public health measures that we have been talking about for so long, which are keeping a distance, no crowds, wearing masks, washing hands, doing things outside, as opposed to inside, in order to get those numbers down. We're entering into the cool months of the fall and ultimately the cold months of the winter. And that's just a recipe of a real problem, if we don't get things under control before we get into that seasonal challenge. TAPPER: President Trump says he's immune to the virus because he has survived it. His physician, Dr. Sean Conley, gave him the OK to travel. He says the president is no longer considered a transmission risk. Conley did not say the president has tested negative. Now, I know the CDC does not say that testing negative is required before somebody is allowed to travel and be around others. Can you explain that to us? Why not? FAUCI: Well, it just goes to what's practical in the community. They have found that, if you are 10 days from the onset of symptoms, the chances are extraordinarily low that you are going to be transmissible, that you would be able to transmit it. If you really want to nail it down, you do a PCR test, and you show that the person has a level of virus that's not going to be transmitted. And that's what you can do sometimes. Whether they do that or not, that remains to be seen. But the president is -- would be well within the 10-day time frame of being nontransmissible. TAPPER: What about him saying that he's immune because he has the viruses? Is the science conclusive on that yet? FAUCI: Well, the problem with the word immune, I -- it means different things to different individuals, Jake. If he means that he's been infected, and, having been infected and recovered, that he will not get infected again, that's true for a limited period of time. What we do not know is how long that protection lasts. So, technically speaking, the fact that he has recovered, from an immunological standpoint, he has an immune response in him that very likely would protect him from being reinfected. But we have got to be careful about that, because we're starting to see a number of cases that are being reported of people who get reinfected, well-documented cases of people who were infected, after a relatively brief period of time, measured anywhere from weeks to several months, come back, get exposed, and get infected again. So, you really have to be careful, that you're not completely -- quote -- "immune." TAPPER: I want to talk about this idea of, like, once you're past that 10-day period of showing symptoms, you're likely not contagious anymore. Given that there's so much we still don't know about this virus, would it not be better for those who have been infected -- I'm thinking right now specifically of Senator Mike Lee of Utah, who was maskless at the Supreme Court confirmation hearing today. He said that he got a -- he produced a letter showing that he's outside the 10 days, and the doctor gave him the all-clear. But I have to say, I don't know that I would feel comfortable sitting next to him so soon. FAUCI: Right. TAPPER: Wouldn't it -- in the name of being better to be safe than sorry, wouldn't it be better for President Trump, Senator Lee to wear masks and limit their exposure to others, even if they're past the 10 days? FAUCI: Yes, I mean, as the better part of caution, I think that would be appropriate to do that. I mean, I certainly think, from a practical standpoint, I probably would do that myself, just to be extra careful. But the thing that you mentioned just a moment ago of doing an actual test to look for the level of virus and viral remnants would probably get people to be feeling much more comfortable about the lack of transmissibility. And they very well may do that to just go that extra step, to show that an individual, whoever that might be, the president or anybody else, a senator or anybody, to just go that extra step, in addition to the 10-day period, to show that the virus itself is not present in a form that would be transmissible. TAPPER: We're going to squeeze in a quick break and have more with Dr. Fauci in just a few seconds. There's early data showing that classrooms do not appear to be the major spreaders of COVID-19 that experts once feared. I'll ask him about that. Plus, brand-new polls that show President Trump losing two states he won in 2016. We will talk about that with our polling guru. Stick around.

Interview With National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci; Trump Campaigns in Florida as Coronavirus Pandemic Escalates.

Interview mit dem Direktor des Nationalen Institut für Allergie und Infektionskrankheiten (National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases) Dr. Anthony Fauci; Trump-Kampagnen in Florida, während die Coronavirus-Pandemie eskaliert.

专访美国国家过敏症和传染病研究所所长福奇博士；特朗普在佛罗里达州竞选之际，正值新冠肺炎疫情升级

ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news. WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST: We want to welcome our viewers here in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer in THE SITUATION ROOM. We're monitoring a very, very large crowd just ahead of President Trump's campaign rally in Florida. Looking at these live pictures coming in, live pictures, amid serious fears that it could be another super-spreader event, as the state sees a new spike in cases. The president is heading there right now. He's aboard Air Force One for his first big appearance outside the White House since his own battle with COVID-19. The president's doctor, by the way, just confirmed for the first time that president has tested negative for the virus on consecutive days. Also breaking right now, Dr. Fauci tells CNN he's asking the Trump campaign to take down an ad that uses his remarks totally out of context to promote the president's response to the pandemic. Also this hour, we're seeing more evidence the coronavirus crisis is worsening here in the U.S.; 31 states are now trending in the wrong direction. The death toll in the U.S. just topped 215,000, with nearly 7.8 million cases. And the U.S. is reporting the highest average daily case rate in nearly two months. Let's go to our chief White House correspondent, Jim Acosta. He's over at the Trump rally in Sanford, Florida, where there's a huge crowd. They have gathered. Jim, the president's bout with COVID-19 seems to have little, little, if any, impact on the safety of these rallies. That crowd, I don't see any social distancing at all. JIM ACOSTA, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely right, Wolf. And I can tell that, just in the last several minutes, we did receive from the White House physician, Dr. Sean Conley, a new statement on the president's health. That statement says that the president has tested negative for coronavirus on consecutive days, but it was using a testing machine that is a more rapid testing machine and, in some cases, less reliable. So we will have to keep tracking that. But, in the meantime, as you said, we're at this rally in Sanford, Florida, just outside Orlando, where, as you can see in this crowd behind me, many people here not wearing masks, not social distancing, potentially setting up the kind of super-spreader event that got the president sick in the first place. ACOSTA (voice-over): Even after putting his own health on the line by catching the coronavirus, President Trump is tempting fate with a go- for-broke campaign strategy, with plans for more big rallies, creating the potential for super-spreader events across the U.S. And there are signs top White House officials haven't learned a thing, as White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows refused to wear a mask around reporters on Capitol Hill, despite being exposed to the president. MARK MEADOWS, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: Let me pull this away. QUESTION: Yes. Pull away. MEADOWS: And then, that way, I can take this off to talk. QUESTION: No. MEADOWS: Well, I'm more than 10 feet away. I'm not -- well, I'm not going to talk through a mask. ACOSTA: Inside the hearing for Mr. Trump's pick for the Supreme Court, Amy Coney Barrett, Utah GOP Senator Mike Lee was speaking without a mask after he tested positive for COVID-19 less than two weeks ago. The president believes, now that he's had the virus, he's immune from it. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It looks I'm immune for, I don't know, maybe a long time, or maybe a short time. It could be a lifetime. ACOSTA: The president plans to hold rallies this week in big battleground states, Florida, Pennsylvania, Iowa and North Carolina. But White House officials say there won't be a major change in safety protocols at the events. KAYLEIGH MCENANY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: We will have the same policies that we have had in place. ACOSTA: Over the weekend, the president staged a campaign-style rally on the White House South Lawn, where some in the crowd weren't wearing masks. TRUMP: We've got to vote these people into oblivion. Vote them into oblivion. ACOSTA: Democrat Joe Biden is blaming the president for that. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: His reckless personal conduct since his diagnosis has been unconscionable. ACOSTA: To bolster his COVID credentials, the president is pointing to Dr. Anthony Fauci in a new campaign ad, creating the false impression the top health expert is praising Mr. Trump. NARRATOR: President Trump tackled the virus head on, as leaders should. DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: I can't imagine that anybody could be doing more. ACOSTA: That prompted Fauci to state he's not offering Mr. Trump his support. FAUCI: I think it's really unfortunate and really disappointing that they did that. To take a completely out-of-context statement and put it in which is obviously a political campaign ad, I thought, was really very disappointing. ACOSTA: A former senior administration official who worked on the White House COVID Task Force told CNN, "The West Wing has been muzzling Fauci," adding, "There were conversations about not letting Fauci talk on TV. They would say he's exaggerating, he's alarmist." The administration is still failing to bring the pandemic under control, as the U.S. is averaging roughly 50,000 cases every day, the highest average since mid-August. Yet the president has been telling the public the U.S. is rounding the turn on the virus. TRUMP: We're really rounding the turn. And the vaccines are coming. We're rounding the turn. You see what's happening. You see the numbers are plunging. You see how good we're doing. ACOSTA: And the president will be holding more of these possible super-spreader rallies in the coming days. He goes to Pennsylvania tomorrow, which is obviously a critical battleground state. But he's also heading off to Iowa and North Carolina, two states that really should be in the bag for the president right now. But, Wolf, getting back to this crowd here, you can see there are thousands of people here not wearing masks, not social distancing. Even after the president of the United States got the coronavirus, it hasn't changed the behavior for either him or his supporters -- Wolf. BLITZER: And not just the president, but the first lady and so many of the president's top aides at the White House, they also got the coronavirus. Hard to believe what's going on. Thank you very much, Jim Acosta. Be careful over there. We will get back to you. Let's get some more on all these disturbing trends unfolding in the pandemic. CNN's Brian Todd is putting all of this together for us. Brian, we heard from Dr. Anthony Fauci just a little while ago. He spoke with our own Jake Tapper, and he sounded very concerned. BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He is worried, Wolf, Dr. Fauci worried about the projections ahead for fall and winter. But he's also hitting home the point that Americans have the ability to bring some of those dire projections down. TODD (voice-over): Tonight, a new warning from America's top voice on the coronavirus pandemic, as new cases nationally are up 40 percent from a month ago. FAUCI: We should be doubling down in implementing the public health measures that we have been talking about for so long, which are keeping a distance, no crowds, wearing masks, washing hands, doing things outside, as opposed to inside, in order to get those numbers down. We're entering into the cool months of the fall and ultimately the cold months of the winter. And that's just a recipe of a real problem. TODD: There are new worries that Florida could return to previous crisis levels. Some top experts say Florida Governor Ron DeSantis wasn't tough enough regarding distancing and mask-wearing rules and opened too many places back up too soon. DR. MICHAEL OSTERHOLM, DIRECTOR, UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA CENTER FOR INFECTIOUS DISEASE RESEARCH: Florida is ripe for another large outbreak. What they have done is opened up everything as if nothing had ever happened there. And you and I could be talking probably in eight to 10 weeks, and I will likely bet that Florida will be a house on fire. TODD: Florida now joins more than 30 American states with new coronavirus cases trending upward. Many hot spots in the Upper Midwest and Plains states, rural areas where hospitals are overwhelmed. One public health director in North Dakota told CNN today they had less than 20 hospital beds available in the entire state. RENAE MOCH, DIRECTOR, BISMARCK-BURLEIGH PUBLIC HEALTH: We have some hospitals in very rural areas that are having difficulty meeting the demand, and having to send patients to different areas across the state of North Dakota, and even had to send out of state at some point to Sioux Falls and also Billings, Montana. TODD: In New York, positivity rates in hot spot neighborhoods in Brooklyn, Queens and suburban counties outside New York City continue to be way above the rest of the state. And officials say law enforcement will step up measures to enforce shutdown and distancing rules in those communities. Not all of the news is bad. A Brown University survey of more than 200,000 students in 47 states shows that, at least early in the school year, schools do not appear to be the super-spreaders they were feared to be, with infection rates among students and staff often lower than they were in their broader communities. EMILY OSTER, ECONOMICS PROFESSOR, BROWN UNIVERSITY: A lot of the schools in our data are doing masking. Some of them are doing distancing. Some of them are doing smaller pods. TODD: But growing concerns over mental health impacts. A new article published today in "The Journal of the American Medical Association" warns -- quote -- "A second wave of devastation is imminent," a mental health crisis, with increased deaths from suicide and drug overdoses. DR. CELINE GOUNDER, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: This is not just about isolation. This is about people losing their jobs, feeling socially and economically insecure. And that is what is driving many of these mental health issues and substance use issues. TODD: All of which is taxing America's resources and finances. According to an article just published today by "The Journal of the American Medical Association," the estimated cost of the coronavirus pandemic in the United States is more than $16 trillion. The authors of that report say, this is the greatest threat to the U.S. economy since the Great Depression -- Wolf. BLITZER: Wow. That's awful, indeed. All right, Brian, thank you very much. We're joined now by Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a former Obama White House health policy adviser, now the vice provost of global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania. He just co-wrote a very important new study comparing COVID-19 deaths here in the United States to 18 other countries. Dr. Emanuel, thank you so much for joining us. I want to get to that study in a moment. But we just got this letter from the president's doctor, saying the president tested negative on consecutive days with an antigen test and is not infectious to others, according to the president's physician. Does this put you at ease that the president as he's getting ready for this rally in Florida tonight? Or do you have more questions, based on the letter? DR. EZEKIEL EMANUEL, FORMER WHITE HOUSE SPECIAL ADVISER: Well, having multiple rapid tests is actually good. As I think your reporter said, the rapid tests are not as precise, as technically sensitive as the PCR test. But having multiple ones does increase your confidence that the result is a true result. And so that is good. But the impact is more than just the president. The impact is modeling behavior. And the president himself is not modeling good behavior. And he's creating crowds, without masks, without social distancing, yelling and screaming, all of which are, we know, if someone in there has -- is positive, is the kind of situation to create super-spreading events. And we know that this coronavirus, 80 percent of cases are from these kinds of super-spreading events. So, this is very worrisome from that perspective. BLITZER: Yes, thousands of people have gathered in Sanford, Florida, right now. We will show our viewers this crowd. It's a huge crowd for this rally tonight. Very little -- there's no social distancing at all. Thousands of people are there, and not everyone, of course, wearing a mask. These rallies, they were taking place before the president's illness. It almost looked like -- looks like campaigning as usual pre-pandemic. Look at the crowd, very few people, as I said, wearing masks, very little, if any, social distancing. From your perspective, Dr. Emanuel, how risky is this? EMANUEL: And also yelling, Wolf. BLITZER: They're yelling and screaming. They're applauding, obviously, as well. EMANUEL: Yelling. BLITZER: So how risky is this? EMANUEL: Very risky. This is the top end of risk. When we did a risk index, having fans go to football games and outdoor sporting events was actually in the highest risk category. And this is basically equivalent to that. BLITZER: Yes. EMANUEL: And we should not be doing this. BLITZER: Yes, it's very -- and the president of sets a bad example when he goes out doesn't even wear a mask, even though when -- here's Air Force -- he boarded Air Force One a little while ago to make the flight to Florida at Joint Base Andrews. Everybody else is wearing masks, but the president clearly not wearing a mask. He could set an important example to his political supporters if he simply wore a mask. He simply refuses to do so. On average, Dr. Emanuel, the country is recording now almost 50,000 new coronavirus cases a day, even though the president said over the weekend, this virus is disappearing. Dr. Fauci is warning that, if we don't get these numbers down, it's a recipe for real problems, especially in the coming months, as we approach winter. Is the willpower there to double down after all these months and get this done? EMANUEL: I think the willpower is there, but it's got to be led. And we have to actually galvanize people. And the president's not doing that. You have to model the right behavior. You have to get other leaders, whether in sports or entertainment or business or in academia, to all do the right thing, and to model this and create a social norm. I mean, we showed, when we compared to Italy, right? Right after April and May, when there was all of this overwhelming of the system, Italy actually did the right thing. And they were able to bring the number of cases down. If we had followed Italy, and been able to bring the number of cases down, we'd have 90,000 fewer deaths after that first wave, compared to Italy. We know how to do it. It's not like Italy has some vaccine or magic treatment that we don't have. It's that they are better at putting in place these public health measures. And we know what they are, right? Everyone knows what they are. And that's the problem. We're having tens of thousands of people die because we're not willing to do that. And we should be shocked and ashamed of ourselves as a country for that. BLITZER: It's true. And, as Dr. Ashish Jha said to me in the last hour, only in the United States is wearing a mask a political statement. Everyplace else in the world, it's accepted as absolutely essential to save lives. You just published a very important study, Dr. Emanuel, looking at the death rate here in the United States compared to 18 other countries. Tell our viewers what you found out. EMANUEL: Well, if you compare us to the absolute best countries, like Australia, I mean, we have -- most of the 200,000 deaths we have should be alive. If you compare ourselves to Italy or Canada, we have tens of thousands of excess deaths after the first wave, after that big bulge, when all the systems were sort of turned upside down, and we didn't know how to cope. But, beginning in May, if you compare the United States to Italy, we have 90,000 extra deaths. That's 90,000 Americans who should be alive if we were just as good at fighting this pandemic as Italy. And, similarly, if you look at us compared to France, we should have -- or the Netherlands, we should have 100,000 people alive. And if you compare us to Canada, 117,000 Americans would still be alive. We have been doing a very bad job. And other European or Canadian countries have been doing a much better job at doing these public health measures. And, again, they don't have some magic bullet. They don't have a treatment or something else that we don't have. What they have is the resolve to do those basic public health measures, stay outdoors, stay socially distanced, wear a face mask, do hand hygiene, and keep to small crowds, because we know that large crowds create these super- spreading events. It's not that hard, but we will only do it as a country if we have the leadership. BLITZER: It's only going to get worse as the weather gets colder. Dr. Zeke Emanuel, thanks for everything you're doing. Thanks for joining us. EMANUEL: Thank you, Wolf. BLITZER: All right, just ahead: The president is about to resume his crowded campaign rallies, but are Americans buying his efforts to seem like things are back to normal? And Joe Biden's campaign is going on the offensive tonight in states President Trump had hoped to win. We will be right back.

Trump Campaigns In Florida As Coronavirus Pandemic Escalates; Trump's Doctor Says, President Tested Negative On Consecutive Days; Technical Problems Force Long Lines In Georgia On First Day Of Early Voting.

Trump führt Kampagnen in Florida durch, während die Coronavirus-Pandemie eskaliert; Trumps Arzt sagt, der Präsident sei an aufeinanderfolgenden Tagen negativ getestet worden; technische Probleme führen zu langen Schlangen in Georgia am ersten Tag der vorzeitigen Stimmabgabe.

在新冠病毒大流行升级的情况下，特朗普在佛罗里达州展开竞选；特朗普的医生说，总统连续几天检测呈阴性；佐治亚州提前投票的第一天，由于技术问题排起了长队。

COOPER: Just moments ago, the Senate wrapped day two of its Supreme Court confirmation hearings for Judge Amy Coney Barrett, two more sessions remaining. Republicans hoping for a quick confirmation as Democrats today stress policy issues presents the November elections. Short time ago senator and Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris spoke about Barrett's potential impact on the Affordable Care Act also known as Obamacare. SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D) VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Republicans are scrambling to confirm this nominee as fast as possible, because they need one more Trump judge on the bench before November 10th to win and strike down the entire Affordable Care Act. This is not hyperbole. This is not a hypothetical. This is happening. COOPER: Our next guest Senator Amy Klobuchar question Judge Barrett have focused part of her time on voter suppression and intimidation. SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR (D) JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: Judge Barrett under federal law, is it illegal to intimidate voters at the polls? AMY CONEY BARRETT, SUPREME COURT NOMINEE: Senator Klobuchar, I can't characterize the facts in a hypothetical situation and I can't apply the law to a hypothetical set of facts. KLOBUCHAR: OK. Well, I'll make it easier. 18 USC-594 outlaws anyone who intimidates, threatens, coerces or attempts to intimidate, threaten or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote. This is a law that has been on the books for decades. Do you think a reasonable person would feel intimidated by the president presence of armed civilian groups at the polls? BARRETT: Senator Klobuchar, you know, that is eliciting. I'm not sure whether it's a it's eliminating a legal opinion from me because the reasonable person standard, as you know, is one common in the law, or just an opinion as a citizen, but it's not something really that's appropriate for me to comment on. COOPER: Joining me now, is Senator Amy Klobuchar. I appreciate you being here. I'm wondering what you made of the Judges answers. She obviously is very reticent to give you an answer on voter suppression, election integrity. KLOBUCHAR: I was actually pretty shocked because this isn't a court opinion that she's being asked, this is a law on the books. And I was just making the point, it's very relevant, because as you know, a contractor from outside of my state was actually trying to recruit outsiders, former Special Forces. That's what they asked for, to come in and stand at the poll places in Minnesota. And by the way, that is illegal. I want to make that clear on your show, even though she wouldn't talk about it is illegal. Under Minnesota law, there's going to have one person in the polling place, you can't intimidate people. There's all kinds of rules that apply. And so, that's why I asked it. And I was very much shocked, as well as the fact that she has a previous opinion that she wrote a dissent, in which she really downplayed voting rights to me talk about them as civic rights as opposed to individual rights. And, you know, we're losing a seat of Ruth Bader Ginsburg here. And I don't want to be filled by someone that doesn't share Justice Ginsburg, profound commitment to voting rights. She's the one that wrote that dissent in the show be case, which was her blueprint for the future, and which she talked about. I mean, she talked about how Congress should have the reigns, how she talked about in that case, how you shouldn't be throwing out the protections from the Voting Rights Act. And as I asked the Judge today, they got thrown out because of the majority, and now over 20 states have enacted laws that suppress the vote. So Ruth Bader Ginsburg was right. But Justice -- Judge Coney Barrett would not agree that she was right. COOPER: Is it -- I mean, is it fair to assume that that she would go to the mat for President Trump, if he contested the election? I mean, she will have a lifetime appointment. She wouldn't be beholden to him for her job security. You know, there are those who say, give her the benefit of the doubt. KLOBUCHAR: Well, let's look at what he has said. I mean, he has said that he wants nine justices on the court. After the election, he's made that very clear because of the election. And he actually went as far as to say that they could count the ballot. That was a recent statement that he made. So, it's very clear what he's thinking, and he has set out every sign. And that's why, you know, I think she could should recuse herself. And we asked her that today, but she would not commit to doing that. If there was any kind of an election case that went before the court, unlike some Michigan judges, who had actually done that, when they're -- when a case came before their court. They had been on the Trump list of potential U.S. Supreme Court justices, and they actually recused themselves. COOPER: We heard from Senator Harris before about the upcoming Supreme Court -- the challenge of the Supreme Court's the Affordable Care Act. Judge Barrett said today that she's, quote, not hostile to the ACA. But she's also criticized Chief Justice Roberts and his rulings on the ACA in the past. So how do you square her answers on that? KLOBUCHAR: Well, what I said to her today, finally, because she won't commit to where she is on it, I said, you know, in northern Minnesota, where I used to go up there growing up, and my mom would take me on these walks on muddy paths, and we would look for deer tracks, and we would follow those deer tracks and it was always a mystery. Where would they go? I don't think this is a mystery. What we have to do is follow her tracks. When you follow the tracks of her record, what do you see? She criticized Justice Roberts, in one case for upholding the Affordable Care Act, as she was very pointed in her criticism. Then in another case, in the Burwell Case, she actually said that she thought that Scalia who wrote the design, again, Affordable Care Act case, she said that Scalia had the stronger of a legal argument. I don't think it's that hard. When you look at the fact that she says Scalia is her mentor, where she is on that where, she's been on Roe v. Wade, you can follow those tracks very, very clearly. And they point you in the polar opposite of what Ruth Bader Ginsburg stood for her whole life. COOPER: At this point, though, there's not really a path where the Judge does not get confirmed. I mean, isn't that correct? KLOBUCHAR: Oh, that's a different path Anderson. So, I made that point yesterday in my opening, and that is that we don't have some clever procedural trick. That's true with the way the rules are. And I don't think you're going to see some incredible cross examination, that's going to change the trajectory of this judge. But one thing can change that your trajectory, and that is the American people. People who have had it and thinks we should be working on a COVID relief package instead of sitting in that hearing room that shows the priorities of the Republican Party. So, people are I know they're doing this calling those Republican senators saying, this isn't what you should be doing right now. You should follow your own precedent, and the people should choose the president and the president should choose the justice and you should be getting a COVID relief package done. The other thing that people can do is vote. And once they see and I think many of them have, where this judge is coming from, if anything, it should make them want to vote and not just in the presidential race, but in the Senate races, which is really at issue here. We need a different leader of the Senate and we need a different Senate. COOPER: Senator Klobuchar, I appreciate your time. Thank you. KLOBUCHAR: OK, thanks, Anderson. COOPER: Still to come tonight, a new development, what authority so it was a kidnapping and terror plot focused on Michigan's Democratic governor. The FBI now says a second Democratic governor was potential target. Details when we return.

Interview with Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D- MN).

Interview mit Senatorin Amy Klobuchar (D-MN).

采访民主党参议员艾米·克罗布查尔

COOPER: Disturbing development in the case of the 13 men federal and state authorities say plotted to kidnap the governor of Michigan. Today, an FBI agent testified during a preliminary hearing that some of the men also discussed a plot against a second Democratic governor. President Trump tweeted that people should quote liberate, unquote both states. Details now from CNN Brynn Gingras. BRYNN GINGRAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Michigan's governor Gretchen Whitmer wasn't the only sitting governor with a target on their back by a group of alleged extremists. Virginia's governor Ralph Northam was also eyed by the 13 men charged in an alleged domestic terrorism plot foiled by the FBI. GOV. RALPH NORTHAM (D-VA): We don't work under a cloud of intimidation and I'll continue to serve Virginia. GINGRAS (voice-over): The new details of the chilling scheme were revealed by an FBI agent during a bond hearing where three of the six men charged federally were denied release, the other men are charged at the state level. The agent testified that in an early June meeting, the group discussed possible targets including taking out a sitting governor, but specifically governors of Michigan in Virginia over shut down orders due to the coronavirus. An informant who attended that meeting flagged the potential violence to the FBI. Withmer and Northam, both Democrats and both criticized for their response to COVID-19 in their states, particularly from the President who said this about Northam in May. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES: I might, be careful. I might. I'll be there. We're going to -- we're going after Virginia with your crazy governor. We're going after Virginia. They want to take your Second Amendment away. You know that right? You'll have -- GINGRAS (voice-over): Trump early on in the pandemic also singled out the two states in tweets liberate Michigan and liberate Virginia. NORTHAM: When language issues such as to liberate Virginia, people -- they find meaning in those words, and thus, these things happen and that's regrettable. GINGRAS (voice-over): The White House said in the statement, the President condemns white supremacists and pass the blame to both governors saying they are sowing division. It's not clear up the group's alleged plans were inspired by the President's tweets. But the agent testified that they did want to carry out the kidnapping of Withmer by Election Day. Their idea in part cold for sending an explosive device to her vacation home. In another option, the agent testified they wanted to quote, take her out on the boat and leave her out in the middle of Lake Michigan by disabling the engine. GOV. GRETCHEN WHITMER (D-MI): I knew this job would be hard. But I'll be honest, I never could have imagined anything like this. GINGRAS (voice-over): A federal complaint unsealed last week shows the men some recruited from an anti-government group called Wolverine Watchmen connected through rallies, meetings and social media. Together, they planned practice and even conducted surveillance in the hopes of executing their missions, which also included storming Michigan's Capitol building and warding off law enforcement by blowing up their vehicles. According to the complaint. Brynn Gingras, CNN, New York. COOPER: Let's get some perspective now from Elizabeth Neumann, former Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security under President Trump who's endorsed Joe Biden. She says the President's language has helped embolden the threats from white nationalists. Also with us, former federal prosecutor Jeffrey Toobin, a CNN chief legal analyst. Elizabeth, are you surprised that the plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer allegedly also included Governor Northam and what does it say about sort of the scope of what the suspects were originally interested in? ELIZABETH NEUMANN, FMR ASSISTANT SECRETARY, HOMELAND SECURITY: Yes, I'm not surprised. I was kind of waiting to see what we learned through the prosecutorial process. I'm sure we'll find more tidbits that that draws similar connections. I don't think that what we're dealing here with is causation. But it's more correlation. You had a group of people that were already anti-government in nature, the pandemic increased their antagonism towards their government, they didn't like the shutdowns, they perceived it to be an infringement on their liberties. But then when you add somebody like the President, putting more rhetoric on there that you liberate Michigan liberate, and Virginia and I can appreciate that he probably thinks he's just using political rhetoric. But groups like these, they view that as a call to arms. And so, the caution for all leadership is to realize we're in a very, very tense situation within our country, that pandemic makes it tense, the election period makes it tense. And so every leader has a responsibility to be very cautious with their language and how it might be interpreted by a threat actor. COOPER: And Jeffrey, I mean, is it weird that the attorney general has not publicly commented on this case, I mean, involves two sitting governors. And it seems like a pretty big deal for the Justice Department in the FBI. JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN CHIEF LEGAL ANALYST: Unfortunately, I'm sorry, we live in a country where it's rare that governors get kidnapped and have violent threats against them. And you would think it would be something that the attorney general would want to call attention to. But, you know, what we've seen with Attorney General Barr is that he only wants to call attention to Donald Trump's enemies. You know, he's happy to talk about Antifa and the violence in Portland in Seattle and those should be prosecuted. But this threat seems much bigger. And it's also, you know, worth mentioning that, you know, the Attorney General silence is revealing in another way. Today, we learned in the Washington Post that one of his big investigations of so-called unmasking of people that the supposedly that the Obama administration, you know, unmasked people who were in intelligence intercepts and that was supposedly a big scandal. They're not even going to do a report because the whole thing turned out to be so bogus. I mean, that's what the Attorney General is interested in, not the actual threat of these militia groups, COOPER: When all that -- all the unmasking stuff, which has been talked about on, you know, Fox, on and on and on and on, it's all amounts to nothing. TOOBIN: John Bash, who was the U.S. attorney who was in charge of that investigation left the Justice Department this week without filing a report, the whole thing went away. We have the President of the United States calling for Barack Obama and Joe Biden to be indicted and prosecuted for their role in this. And it's nothing. It's absolutely nothing. COOPER: Elizabeth, you know, for the second time NEUMANN: Yes. COOPER: Yes. NEUMANN: Yes. Absolutely not answer to Anderson. I thought that their -- even their most recent statement, saying that they condemn white supremacy tells me they're not paying attention. It is possible some of these members also held white nationalist white supremacist views. But these were a different group of threat actors. They're anti- government extremists who associate with militia movements. They had some QAnon adherence had boogaloo boys adherence. So, it was a different group of mix of extremists. And they seem to not be paying attention, even to the case now five days later, more interested in heaping blame on two governors that were subject of a kidnapping plot. So, it's kind of boggles the mind how much they're not interested in doing their jobs and just seemingly answering the mail so that they can get back to running a reelection campaign. COOPER: Yes. TOOBIN: And it's not, you know, and this is not new. If you listen to their rhetoric, it's Timothy McVeigh, it's Terry Nichols. It is the militia movement from the '90s that has been brought back to life, apparently, because it's been encouraged by the President of the United States. COOPER: Yes. Elizabeth Neumann, Jeff Toobin. Appreciate it. Thank you. With the election three weeks from today, Florida's 29 electoral votes, of course are critical. When voting bloc, they're considered essential to victory though 65 and older. Up next, our Randi Kaye with an update from the battleground.

Interview with Governor Andrew Cuomo (D-NY)

Interview mit Gouverneur Andrew Cuomo (D-NY)

采访安德鲁·库默州长（民主党-纽约州）

CHURCH: President Trump heads to Pennsylvania for a campaign event in the coming hours. Key to his victory there in 2016, white women voters. So, what do they think of him now? CNN's Kate Bolduan traveled there to find out. HOLLIE GEITNER, FORMER TRUMP SUPPORTER: I'm probably a good example of someone who has gotten through a lot of change in four years. BOLDUAN (voice-over): Hollie Geitner, a registered Republican is a working parent of two kids living in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. She voted for Donald Trump in 2016 and she wasn't alone. 50 percent of white women in Pennsylvania did the same according to exit polls. (on camera): What do you feel today about your vote four years ago? GEITNER: I can tell you how I felt four years ago. Shame. BOLDUAN: Do you regret your vote? GEITNER: Where we are today? Yes. I do. I don't think this is the great again that everybody thought it was going to be. BOLDUAN (voice-over): So, Hollie, is voting for Joe Biden. And so is Nin Bell. What drew you to Donald Trump? Why did you vote for Donald Trump, Nin? NIN BELL, FORMER TRUMP SUPPORTER: For his celebrity. 100 percent. BOLDUAN: It was the brand? BELL: It was. Yes. BOLDUAN: The image? BELL: Absolutely? Successful. Funny. Like he was funny, I loved his show the "Celebrity Apprentice." Never missed it BOLDUAN: Was there a moment when you decided I cannot support him anymore? BELL: It was almost instantly. BOLDUAN: It's not just outside the cities where suburban women are questioning their support for Donald Trump in Pennsylvania. It's even out here in Westmoreland County, rural Pennsylvania, consider Trump country. We are about to meet two of them. JOAN SMELTZER, FORMER TRUMP SUPPORTER: She is older. JULIE BRADY, FORMER TRUMP SUPPORTER: And I am older. BOLDUAN: Oh, you are definitely sisters. (voice-over): Joan Smeltzer, and Julie Brady are registered Democrats. And both voted for Trump in 2016. SMELTZER: I feel like have been duped. I got it wrong and it hurts my heart. I mean, it truly hurts my heart, because the things that I saw I didn't take seriously enough. BOLDUAN (on camera): Throughout the campaign, he was making sexist, misogynistic remarks. And then there was the "Access Hollywood" tape. How did you guys process and digest that, being out there and voting for him? SMELTZER: It was not easy. I looked at myself and I think how could I do that? BRADY: I feel like I did a disservice to women by voting for this guy. BOLDUAN: Was there a moment in the last four years when you said I can't do this again? BRADY: Because of the COVID pandemic. The way he handled it. It was the absolute last straw for me. He didn't create the virus, but he kind of left us all in the dark guessing what was going on. And that was not fair to us. BOLDUAN (voice-over): Among the women we spoke to, the coronavirus, the President's handling of the pandemic, and the racial unrest following the police killing of George Floyd were the overwhelming driving issues. GEITNER: George Floyd's killing was a pivotal moment for me. And when I read that he was begging for his mom. As a mother myself, it just brought me to my knees. And to see what's happened since, I feel like he has added fuel to flames of hatred, and that really bothers me. BOLDUAN: Nin Bell, who registered as a Republican in 2016 just to vote for Trump in the primaries. Now protests weekly in her town just outside Philadelphia. Often met by groups she used to consider herself a part of. Trump supporters, setting up counter demonstrations. BELL: I think Trump kind of thrives on that, on that division. I've seen it in my own town. SMELTZER: Integrity, that's what we are lacking. BRADY: And accountability. And being the mom of a nine year old, that's one thing that I push with my son all the time, is you know, you made a bad decision, it's your fault, you learn from it and you move on. We have a President who, nothing that happens is ever his fault. It's always somebody else's fault. BOLDUAN (on camera): And there are consequences. BRADY: There are consequences. He's about to find them out. CHURCH: And thank you so much for your company. I'm Rosemary Church. "EARLY START" is up next. You're watching CNN. Have yourselves a great day.

Doctor: Trump Posted Consecutive Negative Tests; Trump Holds First Rally Since COVID-19 Diagnosis; Some Pennsylvania Women Turning Away from Trump.

Arzt: Trump hat mehrere negative Tests hintereinander durchgeführt; Trump hält erste Kundgebung seit der COVID-19-Diagnose ab; Einige Frauen in Pennsylvania wenden sich von Trump ab.

医生：特朗普连续检测呈阴性；特朗普举行新冠肺炎确诊以来的首次集会；一些宾夕法尼亚女性拒绝接受特朗普。

VAUSE: A secret remedy known to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, wearing face masks, social distancing, washing hands. Experts have been telling us this for months. Despite, that the number of global infections is exploding. Out of control. That is despite a rosy assessment from a number of leaders about the worst being over. New records have been set in just the past few days. The world is still in serious trouble. DR. TEDROS ADHANOM GHEBREYESUS, WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION: We are now seeing an increase in the number of reported cases of COVID-19. Especially in Europe and the Americas. Each of the last 4 days have been the highest numbers of cases reported so far. Many cities and countries are also reporting an increase in hospitalizations and intensive care occupancy. VAUSE: Some local leaders as well as business groups in England are pushing back against restrictions being imposed by the government. On Sunday, the U.K. reported more than 12,000 new COVID-19 cases and 65 dead. But only some parts of England are facing new shutdowns. CNN's Nic Robertson reports now from London. NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: The prime minister is saying these new measures are essential, because infection rates in the country continue to go up. For the past 3 weeks, he said the R number currently between 1.2 and 1.5. He is designated these 3 tiers, medium, high and very high. It's designed to simplify people's understanding of what measures they have to take in their local areas and. The prime minister said that Liverpool will now fall into the very high category there. Gyms, pubs, casinos will all close. He laid out that this was going to be a very tough path ahead. BORIS JOHNSON, U.K. PRIME MINISTER: This is not how we want to live our lives but this is the narrow path we have to tread between the social and economic trauma of a full lockdown. JOHNSON: And the massive human and indeed, economic cost of an uncontained epidemic. With local and regional and national government coming together in a shared responsibility and a shared effort to deliver ever better testing and tracing , ever more efficient enforcement of the rules and with ever improving therapies with the mountains of PPE and the ventilators that we have stockpiled, with all the lessons we have learned in the last few months. We are becoming better and better at fighting this virus. Though I must warn the house again, that the weeks and months ahead will continue to be difficult and will test the mettle of this country. I have no doubt at all, that together, we will succeed. ROBERTSON: One of the difficulties the prime minister has been facing is criticism from many of the regional and local councils in the north of the country where infection rates are highest. They believe that the prime minister has not been firm enough on their advice on test and trace, for example, and that some of the measures the government has put in place have not been working. The prime minister indicated it is still talking to the some of those regional authorities in the northwest, the northeast, Yorkshire, Humberside, all in the north of the country. This is far from a done deal yet but the prime minister said, however bad it gets, he intends to keep retail, schools and universities open -- Nic Robertson, CNN, London. VAUSE: Much the same in France where health officials have declared maximum alert in two more cities. That means infection rates are on the up or more than 30 percent of ICU beds are being used for COVID-19 patients. Toulouse and Montpellier join Paris, Marseille and beyond. Some critics have suggested a better solution would be to provide more ICU beds. China is moving quickly to contain the country's first new cases of coronavirus in nearly 2 months. Qingdao plan to test 9 million people in the coming 5 days. After a dozen new cases were reported. South Korea is easing social distancing measures but face masks are required in crowded, public transport and protests as well. We have Paula Hancocks in Seoul, Kristie Lu Stout standing by in Hong Kong. First you, Paula. Mandatory face masks. Is this something they are willing to enforce in any major way or is something the population are happy to do? PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: John, it's something that most of the population have been doing since, really, the beginning of the year. It's not something you really have to enforce too carefully here in South Korea, although there are some exceptions to that rule. What this is doing is it's making what was mandatory already in places like Seoul, the greater area and other cities and provinces, nationwide. It's saying if you're in a situation like a medical facility, nursing facility, public transport, protest rallies, you have to wear a mask. It also specifies that you have to wear it correctly. We all know and have seen people who wear it under the nose so they could breathe easier or even as a chin strap. The government says that is simply not good enough. From a month's time, there is a grace period of 30 days. You could be fined here in South Korea for even not wearing a mask correctly. It would be just under $90 for that fine. This comes at the same time as the social distancing rules have been lessened. We are now on level 1, which is the lowest level it could be, which effectively means that all restrictions of gatherings inside and outside have been lifted. Churches from now on will have 30 percent capacity. They will be allowed sporting facilities, sporting events. They will have a similar 30 percent. National parks will have half capacity. What the government says they are doing is they are putting in place the framework going forward over the next few months. Of course, people fear the numbers could rise. To make sure that those who aren't wearing masks properly or not following the rules can be fined and can be brought to justice quicker. VAUSE: Paula, thank you. Let's go to Kristie Lu Stout. The city of Qingdao, 9 million people, everyone is getting a test. It's going quickly. It will be done over 5 days. What do you say about the Chinese bureaucrats and party officials, once they get their marching orders, there will be no virus and no outbreak again, they take that seriously? KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN ANCHOR: They take it very seriously. China is literally on another level here. We've seen it happen before. These orders for masks, rapid fire testing on just a small cluster of cases. As you mentioned, Qingdao reported just a few cases over the weekend. It has ordered a city of 9 million people to be tested. We learned from authorities that 3 million people have tested negative for COVID- 19. STOUT: The virus is still very much active in China and all across Asia. Despite that there are some other surreal scenes across the region that recall life well before the pandemic. Take a look. STOUT (voice-over): Test rugby is back in New Zealand. To the fans, some 30,000 of them, cheering. Sitting shoulder to shoulder with no masks in sight unless you count the face paint. COVID-19 restrictions in Wellington where the matches were held, were lifted just last month. But with so many sports events around the world being played with fewer or no spectators, some wonder if a large gathering like this could set the country back. After being a model for coronavirus containment, the prime minister encouraged fans to be vigilant. JACINDA ARDERN, NEW ZEALAND PRIME MINISTER: We want people washing their hands. We definitely do not want you to attend if you are unwell. These are your acts of public service now. STOUT (voice-over): The reality across Asia for countries that have successfully contained the virus in the past is that they will have to do it again. China, which has been largely virus free since mid August, is facing a new cluster. It will test the entire population in the city of Qingdao, some 9 million residents over the next few days. It is a mass response that has worked before. One that may be need to be used again. Especially since the country just wrapped up Golden Week, a holiday where the government says 600 million people traveled. Some crowding into tourist sites. In densely populated parts of India, which now has more than 7 million infections, officials worry about its upcoming festival season, which begins in less than one week. They say many people are tired of social distancing. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): People have become very negligent. They're stepping outside on roads without wearing masks. They are crowding markets. Only 40 percent of the people are using masks. STOUT (voice-over): Australia, which still has one of its largest cities, Melbourne, under lockdown, says it is in talks with nations like South Korea and Japan to reopen travel, as infections in these places level off. While there are signs of progress around the region, confirmed cases in Myanmar have shot up from just a few hundred two months ago to nearly 30,000 today, an example of how fast things can change. STOUT: From Myanmar to China, India to New Zealand, Asia has been offering the full spectrum of the pandemic response. There is one common denominator: even for countries that have the outbreak this pandemic under control, this virus is a beast. It just keeps coming back -- John. VAUSE: It's a bit like the terminator. More like terminator 2. Nothing you could do to stop it. Kristie, thank you for being with us. Paula Hancocks, thank you. 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AMY CONEY BARRETT, NOMINATED TO BE AN ASSOCIATE JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES: And then, it's my job to interpret those laws and apply them to facts of particular cases. And they don't always lead me to results that I would reach if I were, you know, queen of the world and I could say you win, you lose or this is how I want it to be. Because I just don't have the power by fiat to impose my policy preferences or choose the result I prefer. That's just not my role. I've got to go with what you guys have chosen. SEN. JOHN CORNYN (R-TX): Well, why in the world would the American people surrender their right to govern themselves through their elected representatives and through the Constitution to nine people who don't even run for election and who serve for life? Why in the world would -- should the American people do that? BARRETT: Well, I think part of the rationale for courts adhering to the rule of law and for judges taking great care to avoid imposing their policy preferences is that it's inconsistent with democracy. Nobody wants to live in accord with the law of Amy -- I assure you, my children don't even want to do that. So I can't, as a judge, get up on the bench and say you're going to live by my policy preferences because I have life tenure and you can't kick me out if you don't like them. CORNYN: Well, thankfully, under the Constitution, even if the Supreme Court strikes down a statute, Congress can come back and revisit that topic and do so in a way that doesn't violate the Constitution as determined by the court. And ultimately -- it doesn't happen very often in our history, but ultimately we can amend the Constitution itself. Correct? BARRETT: That is correct. CORNYN: So the basis of legitimacy of governmental power is consent of the governed. Do you agree with that? BARRETT: I do agree with that. CORNYN: Not what nine people in black robes -- the high nine on the Potomac, I think they're sometimes called -- the decisions they make, those are -- that's not the final word in our form of government. Correct? BARRETT: We are a law -- a government of laws, not of men. CORNYN: Well, Judge Barrett, I'm almost through but I can't pass up the opportunity to ask you a question about the Establishment Clause. I did with Justice Kavanaugh and Justice Gorsuch as well. It's borne out of my frustration. One of the couple of times I had a chance as attorney general of Texas to argue before the Supreme Court, I argued in a case called Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe. This was about a commonplace practice where, before football games in Texas, students would volunteer to offer an invocation or an inspirational poem or saying or something like that. The ACLU sued the school district. And obviously, it made its way all the way -- all the way to the Supreme Court. And I'm not going to ask your opinion on the outcome of the case. But what troubles me the most -- what troubled me the most about that experience is when the Supreme Court struck down or held that practice unconstitutional and in violation of the Establishment Clause. Chief Justice Rehnquist said the Constitution requires neutrality toward religion. But the court's approach speaks of hostility toward religion. Could you just talk a little bit about the Establishment Clause generally with -- not in regard to any particular set of facts but, sort of, what the courts over time have tried to do to -- to enforce the mandate of the Constitution? BARRETT: Well, Senator Cornyn, when I interviewed for my job with Justice Scalia, he asked what area of the court's precedent that I thought, you know, needed to be better organized or that sort of thing. And off-the-cuff I said, well, gosh, the First Amendment. And he said, well, what do you mean? And I fell down a rabbit hole of trying to explain without success -- because it is a very complicated area of the law -- how one might see one's way through the thicket of balancing the Establishment Clause against the Free Exercise Clause. It's a notoriously different -- difficult area of the law. And to that, you know, there is tension in the court's cases -- and I'm giving you no better an answer, I assure you, than I did to Justice Scalia that day -- it's been something that the court has struggled with, you know, for decades to try to come to a sensible way to apply both of those clauses. CORNYN: Well, I wish you well. BARRETT: Thank you, senator. CORNYN: Mr. Chairman, I'm going to reserve the rest of my time. Thank you. SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): Thank you, Senator Cornyn. For planning purposes, if it's OK with the committee, we'll have Senator Durbin and Senator Lee. We'll break for about a half hour for lunch. Then come back with Senator Whitehouse. Is that OK? Senator Durbin? Are you OK with that? Do you need a break? BARRETT: No, that's fine. GRAHAM: OK. SEN. RICHARD DURBIN (D-IL): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Judge Barrett and your family, for being here with us today for this marathon of-- BARRETT: Thank you, Senator Durbin. DURBIN: Appreciate it. I would like to respond to two of my colleagues quickly before I ask a few questions of you. How -- who came up with this notion -- this insulting notion that you might violate your oath? Where could have this idea have come from? Could it have come from the White House? Could it have come from the president's tweets of what he expects a Supreme Court nominee to do politically for him? That's where it comes from. That's where it originated. And you have said very clearly today, without equivocation, you are not going to be influenced by President Trump's importuning or the importuning of this committee or anyone else, which is what we expect you to say. But this notion that this whole idea of you're being used for political purposes as a Democratic creation, read the tweets and you have plenty to work with. Read the tweets. The second thing I would like to say is I'm not going to spend a lot of time defending the Affordable Care Act -- although I think it's the most important single vote I've cast as a member of Congress, period -- but I will say that when the chairman opened up on it and said what he did, I was puzzled. Three states get 35 percent of the money, how can that possibly be true? Well, it turns out because those states decided to extend Medicaid coverage to the people who lived in the states and his did not. And as a consequence, fewer people in South Carolina have the protection of health insurance -- and those that do are paying for their services and those that don't are not -- which imperils hospitals and others in the process. So I would say there is an explanation as to why some states are spending more. And incidentally, there is a Republican governor of your state, Indiana, by the name of Mike Pence who decided to break with other Republican governors and extend Medicaid coverage under the Affordable Care Act. I think it was the right thing to do for Indiana, as it was for Illinois. But that's part of the reasoning. Let me just say that the Affordable Care Act really is a part of this, as you can tell, on the Democratic side. We really believe the Supreme Court's consideration of that case is going -- could literally change America for millions of people. I have with me today another group I'd like you to at least be aware of because they're pretty amazing people. But this is the Williams family. They live in Naperville not too far from Chicago. BARRETT: Yes. DURBIN: Cathy (ph) and Les (ph) Williams have four sons from left to right; Matt (ph), Joey (ph), Tommy (ph) and Mikey (ph). Matt (ph) who is 27 was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes when he was 13, the other three Williams' boys were all born with Cystic Fibrosis. Joey (ph) is 24, Mikey (ph) is 21. Sadly Mikey's (ph) twin Tommy (ph), after this picture was taken, passed away in January 2019 from complications. This is the last photo that was ever taken of their full family. Here's what they wrote me, "We can not imagine having to go through losing another child. People with Cystic Fibrosis require daily medication, regular doctor visits, access to high quality specialized care. That means people with pre-existing conditions like Cystic Fibrosis can not be discriminated against. The ACA's protections ensure a ban on annual on lifetime caps and enforce the requirement that ensures cover essential health benefits such as hospitalization and mental health services. People with CF and other pre-existing conditions needs adequate affordable health care to live longer, healthier lives." That's why we keep bringing this up. Real people that we run into all the time. There's a chart here I'm not sure (inaudible) while we're at it. On the republican side there's some obviously controversy as to whether we're right or wrong. There are an awful lot of people in each of the states represented by our republican senators who have their health care and literally in some cases their lives hanging in the balance. South Carolina, 242,000 people would lose their insurance coverage is the Affordable Care Act were eliminated. Two million living in that state are pre-existing conditions. You can imagine the list goes on. Thank you. Here's what it comes down to, you have been unequivocal in being critical in decisions both in NFIB Sebelius and the King Burwell. And we naturally draw the conclusion there's going to be a third strike when it comes to Texas and California. You said it won't affect pre-existing conditions if the petitioners have their way there will not be an Affordable Care Act to protect pre-existing conditions on the severability question. So give us an insight of how you can be so unequivocal in opposing the majority decisions in NFIB Sebelius and in King Burwell but have an open mind when it comes to the future of the Affordable Care Act? BARRETT: Sure. Thank you for that question, Senator Durbin, because it gives me an opportunity to make my position clear. When I wrote and this was as a law professor about those decisions I did critique the statutory interpretation of the majority opinion. And, as I mentioned before, my description of them was consistent with the way that Chief Justice Roberts described the statutory question. But I think that your concern is that because I critiqued the statutory reasoning that I'm hostile to the ACA and that because I'm hostile to the ACA that I would decide a case a particular way. And I assure you that I am not. I am not hostile to the ACA, I'm not hostile to any statute that you have. And the cases on which I commented and we can talk at another time, I guess, about the context, the distinctions between academic writing and judicial decision making. But those were on an entirely different issues. So to assume that because the critiqued the interpretation of the mandate or the phrase established by a state means that on the entirely different legal question of severability I would reach a particular results just assumes that I'm hostile, and that's not the case. I apply the law. I follow the law. You make the policy. DURBIN: So let's talk about that for a moment from a different issue perspective. Bear with me for a couple questions. Have you seen the George Floyd video? BARRETT: I have. DURBIN: What impact did it have on you? BARRETT: Senator, as you might imagine given that I have two black children, that was very, very personal for my family. Jesse was with the boys on a camping trip out in South Dakota, so I was there and my 17-year-old daughter, Vivian, who's adopted from Haiti, all of this was erupting. It was very difficult for her. We wept together in my room, and then it was also difficult for my daughter, Juliet, who's 10. I had to try to explain some of this to them. I mean, my children to this point in their lives have had the benefit of growing up in a cocoon where they have not yet experienced hatred or violence, and for Vivian, you know, to understand that there would be a risk to her brother or a son she might have one day of that kind of brutality has been an ongoing conversation. It's a difficult for one for us like it is for Americans all over the country. DURBIN: And so, I'd like to ask you as an originalist but obviously has a passion for history I can't imagine you could separate the two. To reflect on the history of this country, where are we today when it comes to the issue of race. Some argue it's fine. Everything's fine and you don't even have to teach children about the history of slavery or discrimination. Others say there's an implicit bias in so many aspects of American life that we have to be very candid about and address. Others go further and say, no. It's systemic racism. It's built into America, and we have to be much more pointed in our addressing. How do you feel? BARRETT: So I think it is an entirely uncontroversial and obvious statement given as we just talked about the George Floyd video that racism persists in our country. As to putting my finger on the nature of the problem, you know, whether as you say it's just outright or systemic racism or how to tackle the issue of making it better, those things, you know, are policy questions. They're hotly contested policy questions that have been in the news and discussed all summer. So while as I did share my personal experience, I'm very, you know, happy to discuss the reaction our family had to the George Floyd video giving broader statements or making, you know, broader diagnoses about the problem of racism is kind of beyond what I'm capable of doing as a judge. DURBIN: Well I would doubt that -- just don't believe you can be as passionate about originalism and the history behind language that we've had for decades if not centuries without having some thought about where we stand today, but I'm not going to pressure on that. I'm going to take you to a case which I have read and reread, Kanter versus Barr. You know the case well because it's already been referred to. And it clearly is a case where you had your day in court. You wrote the sole dissent, a 64-page case. 37 pages were your dissent, so you gave to the court I assume a pretty full accounting of your thoughts on the subject, and here's the way I understand the case. A fellow named -- a fellow named Rickey Kanter from Mequon, Wisconsin, invested in some pads to put in a shoe to be sold to particularly older Americans under Medicare to relieve foot pain. And he designed them and submitted them to Medicare and didn't get the approval that he was looking for, but instead sold them and represented to many customers that they had been approved by Medicare. And so, he was charged with fraud. Now, this wasn't a matter of a casual misapplication of the law. When it was all said and done, Rickey Kanter of Mequon, Wisconsin ended up spending over a year -- a year and a day in federal prison, paying somewhere near $300,000 in penalties and fines and $27 million in civil. So -- on this issue. So this was not a casual wrongdoing. This man was a swindler and he was taking the federal government for a ride as well as other customers and misleading senior citizens about his product and paid a heavy price for it. Then he decided having left prison that it's just fundamentally unfair that the law says that if you've been convicted of a felony you can't own a firearm. Now, I don't know what his appetite is when it comes to firearms whether it's a revolver or AK-47 with a banana clip. I have no idea, but he went to court and said this is unfair. It was just mail fraud, and you're taking away my second amendment rights. So two out of three of your colleagues then basically said sorry, Rickey. You have forfeited your right to own a firearm because of your conviction of a felony. You took a different approach, exactly the opposite approach and went deep into history. I think the earliest citation I see here was 1662 to figure out just what was going on here and whether or not he had to have committed a violent felony to have forfeited this right to own a firearm. Have I stated the facts close to what you remember? BARRETT: I don't remember the amount of the law, some of those details, but yes. Rickey Kanter was convicted of selling fraudulent shoe inserts and it was a felony. DURBIN: Yes. $27 million settlement along the way. So I'd like to take you into your thinking on this. When the Heller decision was handed down, Justice Scalia expressly said I'm not taking away the authority of government to impose limitations based on felonies, not violent felonies, felonies and mental illness. He said as much in the Heller decision. And yet, this man who was your inspiration as you've told us all, you decided he was wrong and that it had to be a violent felony. Can you explain why? BARRETT: I can. So, we've talked about precedence, and in my court, the Seventh Circuit, there is precedence saying that that phrase doesn't control as, you know, my colleague, Judge Frank Easterbrook, has said a number of times that judicial opinions aren't statutes and shouldn't be read as if they were. So Heller obviously wasn't about the scope of the right; you know, it's application to felons or those who are mentally ill, et cetera. And so, that passage was dicta. It didn't fully dive down into it, but what I did was apply Heller's methodology, both Justice Scalia's majority opinion and Justice Stevens dissent, used an originalist methodology to answer that question, and I concluded that based on that history one couldn't take the right of way simply because one was a felon, that there had to be a showing of dangerousness. And I didn't rule out the possibility that the government might be able to make that showing of about Rickey Kanter, but I think we could all agree that we ought to be careful of saying that because someone's a felon, that they lose any of their individual rights. DURBIN: I want to get to that point but I'd like to stick with this for just a moment more. I'm honored to represent the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois. It's a great city but it has great problems, too, and one of them is gun violence. On the average, we know in America, 100 Americans are killed every day by gunfire, 40,000 per year. In the city of Chicago, more than 3,200 people have been shot just this year -- 3,200. According to the city's gun trace report in 2017, the majority of illegally used or possessed firearms recovered in Chicago are traced back to states with less regulation over firearms, such as Indiana and Mississippi. The 2017 report found that Indiana alone was the source of 21 percent of all Chicago's recovered crime guns. We know how it works where you live, you know how it works -- there's a traffic between Chicago and northern Indiana and Michigan going on constantly, gun shows are held in Gary, Indiana and other places, and when they are selling these firearms without background checks, unfortunately these gangbangers and thugs fill up the trunks of their cars with firearms and head into the city of Chicago and kill everyone, from infants to older people. It just -- it's a horrific situation. Law enforcement is fighting it, trying to get Indiana to at least do background checks at these gun shows with limited success, and we are trying to apply the standards that you disqualify yourself by buying a firearm to felonies and mental illness, and you want to take away part of that protection with your decision in this case, because it -- if you eliminate felonies and just confine it to violent felonies, you're opening up more opportunities for people to buy firearms, are you not? BARRETT: Well Senator, you referred to gang members and thugs buying guns in Indiana and taking them across the border, and certainly that -- if the -- if they had felony convictions for doing the kinds of things that members of gangs and thugs do, nothing in Kanter says that the government can't deprive them of firearms and nothing says, in my opinion, that the government can't deprive Rickey Kanter of having firearms. They simply had to make a showing of dangerousness before they did so and nothing in the opinion opines at all on the legality of background checks and gun licensing. Those are all separate issues. DURBIN: But the majority zeros in and says what you've just said is totally impractical, that we are going to go case by case and decide well what kind of felonies and what kind of person? And then they go on to produce evidence -- I can read the numbers here but you know them well because you wrote the dissent -- where the likelihood of committing a violent felony after being convicted of a felony is pretty dramatic, and they're saying to us "don't let us -- don't force us to make it case by case, we want to make it by category. It's the only practical way to deal with the thousands, if not millions, of people who are buying firearms." You are aware of the fact that even those who are so-called not violent felons, quote "only felons," like Rickey Kanter, have a propensity to -- to commit violent felonies in the future, are you not? BARRETT: There was no evidence of that in the case. And we, of course (ph) -- for example, the Armed Career Criminal Act, that's a federal statute, has to make judgments categorically all of the time about what count is crimes of violence. So I don't think that's beyond the ten (ph) of courts in any area to identify which felonies are violent and, you know, which felonies are not but ... DURBIN: Excuse me but I -- I won't address that issue. Let's go to Page 21 of the opinion and what the court said -- the majority in the court -- "most felon" -- they quoted Yancy -- "most felons are non- violent but someone with a felony conviction on his record is more likely than a non-felon to engage in illegal and violent gun use." "For example, one study" -- this goes on to say -- "210,886 non- violent offenders found that one out of five were re-arrested for a violent crime within three years." So the evidence is there -- it -- it is there for the court to consider and you ignored it. BARRETT: Senator, I didn't ignore it. As I recall, that evidence in the studies were unclear. It -- and -- let's see -- I can't remember, as I'm sitting here, the details of all of the statistics but I did consider it and I recall saying something in the opinions about the reliability of those studies because they didn't say whether someone had been convicted of a non-violent crime but had later been convicted of a violent crime, as well. I mean, felonies cover a broad range of things, including selling pigs without a license, in some states, redeeming too many bottle caps in Michigan. I mean, so felonies now cover broad swathes of conduct, not all of which seems indicative of whether someone's likely to abuse a firearm. DURBIN: So let's -- let me take you -- I'm not going to go so far back in history but I'm -- I'm going to take you back in history for a moment, and note that when that Second Amendment was written and you did the analysis of it, we were talking about the likelihood that a person could purchase a muzzle-loading musket. We are now talking about virtual military weapons that can kill hundreds of innocent people. It is a much different circumstance. Maybe an originalist pins all of their thinking to that musket but I've got to bring it to the 21st century. And the 21st century has people being killed on the streets of Chicago because of the proliferation of deadly firearms. But let me bring it closer to home and -- and tie up the George Floyd question with where I'm headed. There's also a question as to whether the commission of a felony disqualifies you from voting in America, and the history on that is pretty clear. In an article, the American Journalists Sociology (sic) found that many felony voting bans were passed in the late 1860s and 1870s, when implementation of the 15th Amendment and its extension of voting rights to African Americans were ardently contested. It still goes on today with voter suppression but we know that in reconstruction, in the Jim Crow era, in black COVID era, that was used -- a felony conviction was used to disqualify African Americans from voting in the south and -- and many other places. The Sentencing Project today has found that more than six million Americans can't vote because of a felony conviction and one out of every 13 black Americans have lost their voting rights. The reason I raise that is that in your dissent, you said disqualifying a person -- person from voting because of a simple -- simple -- because of a felony is OK but when it comes to the possession of firearms, wait a minute, we're talking about the individual right of a Second Amendment. What we're talking about in voting is a civic right, a community right, however you defined it. I don't get it. So you're saying that a felony should not disqualify Rickey from buying an AK-47 but using a felony conviction in someone's past to deny them the right to vote is all right? BARRETT: Senator, what I said was that the Constitution contemplates that states have the freedom to deprive felons of their right to vote, it's expressed in the constitutional text, but I expressed no view on whether that was a good idea, whether states should do that, and I didn't explore in that opinion because it was completely irrelevant to it, what limits, if any, there might be on a state's ability to curtail felon voting rights. DURBIN: Did you not distinguish the Second Amendment right from the right to vote, calling one an individual right under the Constitution and the other a civic right? BARRETT: That's consistent with the language and the historical context, the way the briefs (ph) describe it, and it was part of the dispute in Heller of whether the Second Amendment was an individual right or a civic one that was possessed collectively for the sake of the common good. And everybody was treating voting as one of the civic rights. DURBIN: Well I will just tell you that the conclusion of this is hard to swallow. The notion that Mr. Kanter, after all that he did, should not be even slowed down, he's on his way to buy a firearm. My goodness, it's just a felony. It's not a violent felony that he committed. And then to turn around on the other hand and say, "Well, but when it comes to taking away a person's right to vote, that's a civic duty, it's something that we could countenance." That is -- really goes back to the original George Floyd question. That was thinking in the 19th century that resulted in voter suppression and taking away the right to vote from millions of African-Americans across this country, and it still continues to this day. I just don't see it. I think the right to vote should be given at least as much respect as any Second Amendment right. Do you? BARRETT: Senator, the Supreme Court has repeatedly said that voting is a fundamental right, and I fear that you might be taking my statement in Kanter out of context. What I said in that opinion was distinguishing between -- it was a descriptive statement of the state of the court's case law comparing it to felon -- stripping felons of Second Amendment rights. I expressed no view about whether -- what the constitutional limits of that might be or whether the law should change with respect to felon voting rights. And obviously, that's a contested issue in some states that are considering it right now. And I have no view on that, and it wasn't the subject of Kanter. DURBIN: It may not have been -- it wasn't the subject of the case, that's for sure. But in your writings, you raised this. It was part of your dissent, discussing the right to vote and a felony conviction eliminating it. I'm afraid it's inescapable, you've got to be prepared to answer this kind of question. I read it and thought, I can't imagine that she's saying this. But I'm afraid I was left with the suggestion you might. Which brings me to the conclusion here. We hear over and over from the other side of the aisle, We don't want any activist judges. We want judges that are going to go back to the original document, literally take it word for word, put it in historical context and don't get in the way of making laws. We make the laws, you're a judge, you stay away from them.

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LEMON: So, these are the facts. Coronavirus cases are rising all across the country. As of tonight, 33 states are now in the red zone. That is a frightening place to be especially considering more than 215,000 Americans have already died from COVID-19. But that's not stopping President Trump from holding packed campaign rallies. He may be feeling better, but just tonight we learned after a new case involving an attendee at his super spreader Rose Garden event. The labor secretary's wife, Eugene Scalia's wife has tested positive for coronavirus. So, you can see her -- it's not there. We'll put it up later. We don't know how she contracted the virus and we're told that Scalia himself has tested negative as Kaitlan just reported but will work from home for the time being. So, I want to discuss now with Dr. William Schaffner. He is a professor of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University. Doctor, good to see you. Thank you for joining us tonight. So, President Trump, despite getting sick, despite his wife and closest aides getting sick, he's back to saying to this country that it is rounding a corner right now, that we're rounding a turn on the pandemic. He is lying. But the numbers don't lie, doctor. WILLIAM SCHAFFNER, PROFESSOR OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES, VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY: Don, actually, we are turning a corner. We're turning an upward corner. Those graphs are going up just as you demonstrated. That sound you hear is the beginning of the second wave coming on to the shore. You know, each of these major rallies is full of people who in all likelihood don't wear masks and social distance in their daily lives. When they all come together, the odds are, this is just a statistical statement, that some of them will be carrying the virus to these events. And I am just sure that each one of these events is going to be an accelerator. It will be spread within the actual rally, and then those people will take it home and spread it into others. So, these rallies are accelerating the spread of this virus wherever they are held, and they're part of this increasing wave of COVID infections that's over most of the country right now. And with the winter just down the road, there's even more to come, I'm afraid. I wish I didn't have this grim statement, but that's the way it looks to me. LEMON: I want to play this for you and our viewers, it's Dr. Fauci speaking about the up -- the uptick in positivity rates in the country. Here it is. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: You would like to see them less than three percent, optimally 1 percent or less. We're starting to see a number of states well above that which is often and in fact, invariably highly predictive of a resurgence of cases which historically we know leads to an increase in hospitalizations and then ultimately an increase in deaths. LEMON: So jumping off of what Dr. Fauci is saying there, 13 states had a daily positivity rate of above 10 percent over the last seven days. Wyoming's rate is above 24 percent. This is an alarming trend, correct? SCHAFFNER: Read them and weep. Absolutely. Dr. Fauci and I are harmonizing on this. We read the numbers in exactly the same way. This is an up-surge. We are not in a plateau, and we're certainly not going down. This virus is still very much among us. And a lot of states now affected have large rural areas. It takes a while for this virus to get out of the cities and into the small towns and the little hamlets in rural areas. It's starting to spread in those communities, a little bit slower than it might be in the big city, but it's moving out there. We don't have a single county in Tennessee, and we have many rural counties, that's COVID free. So, it's out there. LEMON: Dr. Schaffner, always appreciate your expertise and your time. Thank you. SCHAFFNER: My pleasure. LEMON: More than 215,000 Americans dead from coronavirus. COVID-19 infections on the rise in 33 states and this is how the president is conducting himself on the campaign trail. Mary Trump is here. She's going to respond next.

Coronavirus On Its Second Wave In The U.S.

Coronavirus auf seiner zweiten Welle in den USA

冠状病毒在美国的第二波传播

DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Twenty-one days until Election Day, millions of Americans are already casting their ballots. We are seeing massive early voting crowds in states like Georgia, Texas and Ohio. Some people waiting for up to eight hours to vote. The coronavirus pandemic having a massive impact on this election, but you would never know it looking at President Trump's packed rallies, no social distancing, very few people wearing masks. The facts are coronavirus still a huge problem. As of tonight, new cases are rising in 33 states. So, I want to bring in now CNN's Senior Washington correspondent, Mr. Jeff Zeleny who's on the road with the Biden campaign. Also Ms. Amanda Carpenter, the former communications director for Senator Ted Cruz and Mr. Ron Brownstein, senior editor at the Atlantic. Good evening. So, I called Jeff Mr. So, I had to call everyone -- to give everyone, you know, a title before. Ron, I'm going to start with you. President Trump in Pennsylvania tonight. He won the state in 2016. Biden is now in the lead there. He plans to keep coming back over and over the next three weeks. So talk to me about how you see this race three weeks from Election Day. RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST, AND SENIOR EDITOR OF THE ATLANTIC: The president is operating on too small a base from which to win at this point. I mean, he's on an island that is taking on water on several different sides. We saw it in 2018, a historic movement away from the Republicans and white collar suburbs, not only in places where we've seen it see before like Northern Virginia, New Jersey but places across the Sun Belt like Atlanta, Houston and Dallas, I mean Phoenix. That it had not seen it before. All of that is continuing, Don. The president is on track to lose college educated white voters by the biggest margin ever. He is still very strong among his base. The non-college whites, even evangelical and rural whites, but not quite as strong as in 2016. And because he has so alienated everyone else, including not only the college whites but young people and people of color, he has to basically be Ted Williams every year and hit 406 with his base. You know, he just can't make the numbers add up. Joe Biden is not Hillary Clinton. He is a more culturally acceptable to those blue collar and rural white voters. And as a result, Donald Trump, while he is still very strong at around 60 percent of them, that's not nearly enough to make up from what is happening with everyone else at this point. LEMON: Amanda, I want to you listen to the president's pitch to a key group of voters. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Suburban women, they should like me more than anybody here tonight, because I ended the regulation that destroyed your neighborhood. I ended the regulation that brought crime to the suburbs. And you're going to live the American dream, and that's what you're going to do. I ask you to do me a favor. Suburban women, will you please like me? Please. Please. I saved your damn neighborhood, OK? LEMON: You remember 2016 when he made fun of -- please clap for Jeb Bush. And now -- I mean, he's tried some casual racism, but when that didn't work, why not begging? AMANDA CARPENTER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR SENATOR TED CRUZ AND THE AUTHOR OF GASLIGHTING AMERICA: Yes, I mean, listen, he knows he has a problem. He has a huge problem with women. And he lucked out in 2016. Just enough women were willing to give him a chance. One, because they just didn't like Hillary Clinton. Number two, they thought Donald Trump was a good business guy who would turn around the economy. Well, guess what? In 2020 you don't have Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump has tanked the economy. And everyone knows the economy has been tanked because of coronavirus. And particularly women understand that the economy will not come back until you solve coronavirus. And here he's holding these rallies like everything's fine. His female surrogates, which you know, are in his family, like Ivanka Trump and Laura Trump, are running around the country pitching -- making the pitch to women that he's the one to bring it back and that he saw this coming and he was the only one that took it seriously. I mean no one, none of this makes sense, and so no wonder he's dropped off with women. LEMON: Jeff Zeleny, so, you're on the road with the former Vice President Joe Biden, and he'll soon have President Obama campaigning for him. What are you hearing about his plans? JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Well, I'm in Florida. This is where Joe Biden was today going after this senior vote, which he is leading in. And this is something that is a critical constituency for President Trump, no doubt about it, and this is something that Joe Biden making a big distinction over Donald Trump. Not having big rallies. He had to drive-through rally. That it really felt like an old drive-in movie. So, this is something Joe Biden's doing, but meanwhile as he is preparing for the debate next week. I am told that former President Barack Obama is going to hit the campaign trail for Democrats in key early voting states. The states that will begin early voting next week where early voting is already under way, like here in Florida, like in North Carolina, Georgia, and other states. We don't know the exact itinerary yet of the former president, but we do know he is going to be going after I'm told three distinct constituencies, black voters, Latino voters and younger voters. There is some falloff among all of these groups for Joe Biden. There is some sense that they need to increase enthusiasm to get -- the support where the Biden Campaign would like it. So, having Barack Obama out on the campaign trail is something we've not seen yet this year because Democrats have been taking a much more cautious stand here. But in the final two weeks of the campaign, I am told that Barack Obama is coming out. Of course, this is personal for him as well. Donald Trump went after the former president, went after his family, has repealed many of the things he tried to do in office. So, Don, the final two weeks of this campaign, the closing stretch, is going to be a fascinating matchup between Donald Trump, Barack Obama, and of course Joe Biden. LEMON: So, Amanda, we often talk about the conspiracy theories that, you know, that go unchallenged on -- in conservative media and on state TV, where they, you know, just bark about it all the time. The Washington Post is reporting tonight that the investigation that Attorney General Barr commissioned into unmasking around the 2016 election was quietly completed without any charges or public report, nothing. This is what the president and his allies have been saying about it. Here it is. TRUMP: The unmasking and the spying. And to me, that's the big story right now. That's a very, very big story. It's disgraceful what went on. It's disgraceful, Obama-gate. It's been going on for a long time. It's been going on from before I even got elected and it's a disgrace that it happened. Well, the unmasking is a massive thing. I just got a list. It's -- who can believe a thing like this? SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: Why in the hell did the Obama administration's unmasking request jump threefold from 9,500 in 2013 to 30,355 in 2016? TRUMP: If I were a Democrat instead of a Republican, I think everybody would have been in jail a long time ago, and I'm talking with 50-year sentences. It is a disgrace what's happened. This is the greatest political scam, hoax, in the history of our country. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why was everybody in the Obama administration listening to the phone call and finding out and knowing that it was General Flynn? GREGG JARRETT, FOX NEWS LEGAL ANALYTS: Look at the list of people during that brief transition period making unmasking requests of Michael Flynn. So many of them were partisan officials who had no business snooping and seeking to unmask the successors, the incoming Trump administration. LEMON: I mean, the only unmasking that's going on is at Trump rallies. If this was such a massive crime, why did Barr's team come up empty? CARPENTER: Because there was nothing there. LEMON: Like the voter fraud team? CARPENTER: Because there was nothing there. Barr can -- I mean, we can joke around about this, but it's hard to exaggerate what a massive deal this was. I mean, Donald Trump started this big gaslighting conspiracy on day one of his presidency saying that the deep state was out to undo his presidency, and it wasn't just him. He got the conservative media to go along with it and he got U.S. Senators to go along with it and use the levers of power to try to push something out. John Cornyn, Texas Senator who's widely considered to be kind of a smart establishment guy said this is going to be bigger than Watergate. They were talking about jailing government servants, OK? People put out a list of names at one point in time, and now years later -- years later, it turns out to be nothing? Man, I hope we don't forget this, because people need to remember what these people did and how they threatened good serving public officials for no reason. LEMON: Just for Ron, off the top of my head, we had the Hillary Clinton email server thing that turned out, remember? And then buried the report like on a Friday night or something that turned out nothing. Now we have this. What in the hell is going on here? BROWNSTEIN: Well, look. I mean, you have the president who's you know, trying to weaponized every element of the federal government, of the census which the Supreme Court kind of allowed him to (inaudible). The postal service or the Justice Department. But you see the counter reaction. I mean, Don, the other thing that happened today that was pretty incredible, 128,000 people as you probably know showed up to vote in Harris County in Houston Texas more people than vote in-person in the entire state of Georgia yesterday. Another 40,000 turned in mail ballots. It's over 170,000 votes in a County where 1.3 million people voted in the 2016. It's also a county that went from 1,000 vote margin for Obama in 12, to a 201,000-vote margin for Beto O'Rourke in 2020. And it is really emblematic of what's happening. Donald Trump is exiling the Republican Party from the fast-growing urban center and metros that are going to driving the population and economic growth. And I think, you know, in 2016 he lost 87 of a hundred largest counties by a combined 15 million votes. The evidence is it's going to be even bigger. I mean, it's going to be substantially bigger in those 100 counties. Maricopa was the largest county in the country that he won in Phoenix and he's been trailing consistently in the polling there as is Martha McSally. If he's going to win he's going to have to find a way to just ramp up rural turnout to a really, really historic and heroic levels, because he simply is driving the party out of these big populations. By the way, it's happening in the House as well. Republicans are down to one- quarter of all the seats with more college graduates average in a house and it could be as low as one-fifth after this election. LEMON: All right. Thank you all, that's all we have time for. I appreciate it. I'll see you soon. Be safe on the campaign trail, Jeff. Thank you very much. So, Democrats grilling Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett over issues from health care to abortion. President Trump's pick refusing to say how she'll rule on those hot button issues. But perhaps the biggest headline in all of this is this answer about how she sees the landmark abortion case Roe v. Wade. I want you to listen to this exchanges with Senator Amy Klobuchar. SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR (D-MN), U.S. DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Will you also separately acknowledged that in planned parenthood v. Casey, the Supreme Court's controlling opinion talked about the reliance interest on Roe v. Wade, which it treated in that case a super precedent. Is Roe a super precedent? AMY CONEY BARRETT, SUPREME COURT NOMINEE: How would you define super precedent? KLOBUCHAR: I actually thought someday I'd be sitting in that chair, but I'm not. I'm up here so, I'm asking you. BARRETT: OK. Well, people use super precedent differently. KLOBUCHAR: OK. BARRETT: The way its use in the scholarship and the way that I was using it in the article that you're reading from was to define cases that are so well settled that no political actors and no people seriously push for their overruling. And I'm answering a lot of questions about Roe which I think indicates that Roe doesn't fall into that category. And scholars across the spectrum say that it doesn't mean that Roe should be overruled, but descriptively it does mean that it's not a case that everyone has accepted and doesn't call for its overruling. LEMON: Let's discuss now. CNN's Senior Legal Analyst, Laura Coates joins us. Hi, Laura, good to see you. Barrett repeatedly declining to answer Democrats on how she might rule on Roe v. Wade but saying it's not a super precedent. That's telling. LAURA COATES, CNN INTERNATIONAL LEGAL ANALYST: It was. And of course I was tickled a little bit by the idea of this semantics based hedging at first, as if not to understand what the substance of Senator Klobuchar's question was, which was do you intend or do you think that Roe v. Wade is a vulnerable precedent? Which was really the question she was asking. And she tried to go around in terms of super precedent which she really ultimately ended up saying was that, just by virtue of the way in which people are questioning it with me, the way in which there has been a you full well know and all on assault on Roe v. Wade and an attempt to overturn it to presidential value that she believes it is in fact is vulnerable. And part of the reason for that is because she is one of the people -- and I don't know of any other Supreme Court nominee who had signed on to articles and different statements suggesting that it needed to be overturned in some capacity or at the very least revisited, and she's done just that. LEMON: Today the Supreme Court is granting a request from the Trump administration to halt the census count while an appeal play out. A lower courts order would have required it continue until the end of this month. And this happened on a 5-3 court, which looks like it's going to be 6-3 soon. COATES: You know, what's so unfortunate about this Don, is that the census is so important. It is something that the founding fathers in fact contemplated. It was one of the reasons they are able to figure out about apportionment and about representation in how many members of the House, about what types of services are going to be given to people from the elderly to the increasingly vulnerable. It's a way for people to really participate in democracy and get the funding they actually need. It's also one of the things that's used by the voting rights section of the civil rights division among other entities to figure out whether or not there has been some form of gerrymandering, a way to try to undermine your ability to really be a participant in democracy. And so they have it end early. This is after of course, an attempt to try to add a citizenship question with an eye, I believe, towards trying to root out undocumented persons in this country and trying to intimidate people from participating. You see what's happened I guess a mere 20, 21 days before an election. It's a vital part of our democracy, and any attempts to stop it early -- what could be the possible benefit? Why would you stop a count? I guess what they say is, you know, democracy is not just about the voting, it's about the counting, Don. LEMON: Yes. And it could change, you know, the number of representatives and so on. It has a big -- it has a ripple effect. COATES: Yes. LEMON: Thank you so much, Laura. I appreciate you joining me. Good to see you. COATES: Of course. LEMON: Thank you. COATES: Thank you. LEMON: Long lines and record turnouts as polls open for early voting in some states. Plus, Dr. Anthony Fauci warning of a resurgence of coronavirus throughout the country. 33 states reporting an increase in cases and some hospitals are overflowing with patients again. We will bring you the latest.

Three Weeks Until Election Day; President Trump Tries Courting Female Voters; Obama To Hit Campaign Trail For Biden; Barr's Unmasking Investigation Concludes Without Charges; Amy Coney Barrett Says Landmark Roe V. Wade Ruling Is Not A Super Precedent; Supreme Court Grants Trump Administration's Request To Halt Census Count While Appeal Plays Out; Trump Back In Campaign Trail And Holding Rallies In States Where Coronavirus Cases Are Growing; More Than 10.5 Million Votes Cast So Far In 41 States.

Drei Wochen bis zum Wahltag; Präsident Trump versucht, weibliche Wähler zu umwerben; Obama geht für Biden auf Wahlkampftour; Barrs Demaskierungsuntersuchung endet ohne Anklage; Amy Coney Barrett sagt, dasbahnbrechende Roe V. Wade-Urteil sei kein Superpräzedenzfall; Oberster Gerichtshof gewährt Antrag der Trump-Administration auf Aussetzung der Volkszählung während der Berufungsfrist; Trump ist zurück im Wahlkampf und hält Kundgebungen in Staaten ab, in denen Coronavirus-Fälle zunehmen; Bisher wurden in 41 Staaten mehr als 10,5 Millionen Stimmen abgegeben.

距离大选日还有三周；特朗普总统试图拉拢女性选民；奥巴马将为拜登助选；巴尔的公开调查以未被指控结束；艾米·科尼·巴雷特称，罗伊诉韦德案的判决并非一个超级先例；最高法院批准特朗普政府要求到上诉结束时停止人口普查的请求；特朗普重新开始竞选活动，并在新冠确诊病例持续增长的州举行集会；迄今为止，41个州收到超过1050万张选票。

LAURA JARRETT, CNN ANCHOR: Trials for a coronavirus vaccine are put on hold. We'll tell you why and what it means for the fight against the virus. BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Plus, surviving a deadly pandemic seems to have taught the president nothing. Basic protocols ignored at his return to the campaign trail with other Republicans still following his lead. JARRETT: Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. This is EARLY START. I'm Laura Jarrett. SANCHEZ: And I'm Boris Sanchez, in for Christine Romans. Great to see you as always, Laura. It is Tuesday, October 13th, 5:00 a.m. in New York, and we are exactly three weeks to the election, so strap yourselves in. JARRETT: Buckle up. And we begin with this news breaking overnight. Drugmaker Johnson & Johnson has paused the clinical trial of its coronavirus vaccine because of an unexplained illness in one of the study's volunteers. Now, the company didn't immediately say what happened to the person but remember, the vaccine requires just one dose, so federal officials were hoping it would be ready a bit faster than any others. The trial is studying one of six vaccines being tested in the U.S. and one of four in the final stages. DR. ASHISH JHA, DEAN, BROWN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH: The Johnson & Johnson trial is the biggest trial of the vaccine that I know of, 60,000 people. Within that trial, you'd expect a few pauses. So, on one hand, they're right, this is completely expected and it's just a reminder of how ridiculous it is to try to meet a political timeline of having a vaccine before November 3rd. SANCHEZ: November 3rd, of course, is Election Day, and President Trump has been pressing to unveil a vaccine before then knowing full well that this election will largely be a referendum on his handling of the virus. This is the second phase 3 COVID vaccine trial to be paused in the U.S. you'll recall AstraZeneca's trial had to be paused last month after a British volunteer experienced complications. That trial resumed in the U.K. and other places, but it remains paused here in the U.S. JARRETT: So, just a week ago, the president said he learned a lot from his own battle with coronavirus. Well, you wouldn't know it if you saw his return to the campaign trail in Florida. A packed rally, you can see there with few masks, no real social distancing in a state where the positivity rate is increasing but the economy recently reopened. Dangerous conditions for this potential super spreader event for the president, launching a frenzied last ditch effort hoping to turn around his campaign. The president has a busy campaign schedule ahead as well. He has a rally in Pennsylvania today as he and the vice president head to states they need to keep on their side. Some of which have been reliably red. Also red, 33 states now headed in the wrong direction with cases increasing as colder, indoor months approach us. The number of people in the hospital hasn't been this high in more than a month. DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: I hope these numbers that you're quoting, which are absolutely correct numbers, jolt the American public into the realization that we really cannot let this happen because it's a on trajectory of getting worse and worse. JARRETT: And notably, the president is not alone when it comes to a casual attitude toward COVID. His chief of staff, Mark Meadows, refuses to keep his mask on to speak with reporters. Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, high-fiving people at the president's rally. And in Washington, you see there, Senator Mike Lee who actually had COVID, going maskless at Monday's Supreme Court confirmation hearing, all of them acting as though a pandemic that has killed 215,000 Americans is just a memory. CNN's Kaitlan Collins has more from the White House. KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Laura, and Boris. It was only hours before this rally that President Trump's doctor actually announced that he had tested negative for coronavirus. The first time we had been told that since, of course, the president's diagnosis. And in this memo, Dr. Sean Conley said the president tested negative for consecutive days using a rapid test though he didn't say which days it was that the president had actually tested negative, and we know the White House has declined to say when the president last tested negative before his diagnosis. Something that Conley made no mention of in his memo. But this memo came out hours before the president took the stage in Florida. He was there and spoke for a little over 65 minutes or so, and at times, he sounded hoarse, but at others, he talked about his diagnosis with coronavirus, said that he felt powerful, and talked about what his recovery has been like and, of course, as he's been doing now, claimed that he is immune. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I went through it. Now they say I'm immune. I can feel -- I feel so powerful. I'll walk into that audience. COLLINS: Of course, we know science says that what the determination on immunity is and how long it lasts is still very much out despite the way the president is spinning his own health, and though he tried to talk about coronavirus as if it was in his past, we know it's at the top of mind for voters, and it even appeared to be so for some of the president's own advisers, including his chief of staff who does not typically wear a mask but was seen wearing a mask on this trip yesterday, only hours after he refused to take questions from reporters on Capitol Hill because they asked him to keep his mask on. JARRETT: All right. Kaitlan, thank you for that. Joe Biden heads to Florida today after a stop in Ohio on Monday. It's all part of a major push by Biden and his wife Jill to flip all of these states that went to Trump in 2016. The former vice president now going a little bit further as well on his answers about packing the Supreme Court. He tells a CNN affiliate, WKRC, he's not a fan of court packing but he says the burden is actually on Republicans who are pushing through the nomination of Judge Amy Coney Barrett days before an election. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: The imbalance in the court is a debate that's going on now. What I want to focus on, they're court packing right now. And what's going on now is the outright effort to do away with health care. That's what it's all about right now, health care. JARRETT: The challenge to the Affordable Care Act, of course, goes before the Supreme Court right after the November election. CNN's Jessica Dean is on the campaign trail with Biden. JESSICA DEAN, CNN WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Laura and Boris. Vice President Joe Biden coming to the state of Ohio on Monday. Ohio, a state that President Trump won by some eight points back in 2016. So, what does this tell us? Well, the Biden campaign, playing a bit of offense. Ohio has been one of the 17 priority states, but other states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, must win states for them have gotten more attention in the last few months. And local Democrats believe that Ohio is winnable for Joe Biden. They cite a shift in the suburbs as a reason why. For his part, Biden pitching his economic plan in Toledo on Monday, telling the crowd they are framing in that, what we have been hearing, his Park Avenue versus Scranton framing. Take a listen. BIDEN: When you see the abuse of power, there's only one way to respond to it, and that's with power, and the only power we have to take on corporate America is union power. That's the only power. DEAN: That economic message directed right at white working class voters in Toledo, in Ohio. That is a key demographic within the coalition that the Biden campaign thinks that it can bring together here in Ohio that includes those white working class voters, black voters and also suburban voters, those are key constituencies they have their eye on here in Ohio. As for Vice President Biden, he goes into Florida later today. Another state like Ohio, the Biden campaign does not have to win to get to 270, but if they did, it would make president Trump's path to reelection incredibly difficult -- Boris and Laura. JARRETT: Jessica, thank you. Breaking overnight, new restrictions in Texas that allow only one ballot drop box per county have been reinstated by a federal appeals court. The three-judge panel all appointed by President Trump accepted Governor Greg Abbott's unproven claim that multiple drop boxes opportunities for fraud. Now, several groups had sued arguing it would suppress voting, particularly in the larger Democratic-leaning counties. For example, in Harris County which includes Houston, well, it planned to have 12 drop boxes instead of just one. SANCHEZ: Yeah, and that just one drop box is set to help millions of voters cast their ballots. Early voting begins today in Texas and Kentucky. Georgia saw a record setting turnout on the first day of early voting, nearly 127,000 people. You can see the line. The state is a presidential battleground for the first time in decades and it could play a crucial role in deciding which party controls the Senate, too. There's also a controversy in California where Republicans who spent months railing on voter fraud could be committing voter fraud. Authorities have sent a cease-and-desist order to the state Republican Party over unofficial ballot drop boxes. CNN's Pamela Brown takes a closer look. PAMELA BROWN, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning, Laura and Boris. We have learned that roughly 8 million people have already cast their ballots early in this election, and one way the voters are casting their ballots is by using legal ballot drop boxes. But now, this process is turning more complicated in parts of the country. Let's look at California. Unofficial ballot boxes popped up in several counties, and now, the D.A. is investigating. It turns out in at least one of those counties, the Republican Party bought those boxes but wouldn't say how many or where they put them. The California secretary of state told CNN the practice of using fake ballot boxes is a violation of state law. ALEX PADILLA, SECRETARY OF STATE OF CALIFORNIA: It's not just the state Republican Party but it looks like some of their local committees participating as well. This is wrong no matter who is doing it. It's not just the security of the ballot that's in question here. It is, you know, the transparency, voter confidence itself. BROWN: And the RNC is saying in a statement to CNN that this practice of using an unofficial ballot box is in response to ballot harvesting favored by the Democrats which allows people in certain states to hand over a ballot to a door knocker. But the RNC stopped short of saying it was in support of expanding this practice. Overall, though, big picture, election officials say drop boxes, official ones, are a secure method of making sure your vote is counted. Back to you, Laura and Boris. JARRETT: Pam, thank you so much for that. We should note, California law does allow people to hand their ballots over to a designated person who then delivers the ballot. However, it does not allow for unauthorized ballot drop boxes. If you're looking for a real California drop box, it looks like this. Do not fall for anything else right now. SANCHEZ: Several countries in Europe weighing harsh restrictions to stop a second wave of the coronavirus pandemic. How and where? We're live from Berlin in just a few moments.

Johnson & Johnson Vaccine Trial on Hold; Trump's Return to the Trail

Johnson & Johnson-Impfstoffprozess auf Eis gelegt; Trumps Rückkehr in die Spur

强生疫苗试验暂停；特朗普的回归之路

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: He was warned but ignored the evidence. Holding rallies indoors, turning a White House into a super-spreader and contracting the virus himself. DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: -- now tested positive. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Now he claims he's learned about COVID. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I get it. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: But he hasn't learned a thing. Putting us and those sworn to protect him at risk. TRUMP: "Don't be afraid of it." UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Meanwhile, America pays the price. 215,000 dead. No plan. And now another wave is coming. Had enough? JOE BIDEN, FMR. VICE PRESIDENT AND DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I'm Joe Biden and I approve this message. BERMAN: So this just happened moments ago. President Trump attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci in a new tweet. It reads, quote: "Actually, Tony's pitching arm is far more accurate than his prognostications." Of course, Dr. Anthony Fauci had that unfortunate first pitch at a Nationals game. This comes after Dr. Fauci is displeased, expressed his displeasure that the Trump Campaign took him out of context in a Trump Campaign ad. Joining us now CNN political editor, David Chalian and CNN chief legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin. And, David, I put this in a larger context. The president attacking the most trusted man in America on the pandemic as one of those things that might help explain why the campaign is where it is right now. Leaning into things that don't politically seem to help him. And explains also why the president is where he is -- DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Right. BERMAN: -- in this campaign right now and so is Joe Biden. Let's just put up on the screen so people can see the different campaign events, where each campaign is this week. Trump: Florida, Pennsylvania, Iowa, North Carolina, Georgia. Biden, the Biden team: Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. When you, with your trained eyes see this, David Chalian, what jumps out? CHALIAN: Well, the president is playing complete defense, right? He's trying to shore up states that his campaign long ago thought would be off the map by now. Places like Iowa or Ohio where Mike Pence was yesterday and where Joe Biden was playing offense yesterday. They didn't think those states that he won by eight, nine points in 2016 three weeks out from election day would still be on the map, but they are. And it speaks to his problem. Because if you look for his path to 270 you see a continuing narrowing path for the president and he's really going to have to start digging into some territory that's already leaning in Joe Biden's direction in a pretty significant way. But that Fauci tweet, John, you are right. It does speak to precisely what the president's most acute political problem is. It is his mismanagement of this pandemic, it is the dismissing of the science represented in Fauci. And this is not new, right? We've seen this Trump taking on Fauci and trying to start a war with Fauci flare up several times over the past eight months. Whether he gets sidelined from briefings or Trump expresses displeasure about him but knows that there is nobody more trusted on the issue that is most front and center for Americans. And so he can't completely just throw him under the bus. But Trump is clearly in the place where you see desperation now on the part of the president, desperately trying to find a path to reelection. BOLDUAN: Are we sure president Trump wrote that tweet? Prognostications? BERMAN: It's a good point. It's a multi-syllabic word. BOLDUAN: Spelled correctly? BERMAN: Alarm bells go off. BOLDUAN: OK. Things that make you scratch your head, Jeffrey. Let's stay on that, in that category. JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes. BOLDUAN: Mitch McConnell. Senator Mitch McConnell had a debate last night and he said something curious about what we should all expect about the Affordable Care Act if Judge Barrett is confirmed. Listen to this moment. SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY): No one believes the supreme court is going to strike down the Affordable Care Act. What this is really about is trying to change the subject away from this extraordinary nominee who's before the senate. BOLDUAN: No one believes the Affordable Care Act is going to be struck down, Jeffrey? TOOBIN: Yes. Someone ought to tell that to the justice department, Donald Trump's justice department, which has a brief before the supreme court in this case asking the court to strike down the entire Affordable Care Act -- preexisting conditions, keeping your kids on your insurance till 26, no lifetime limits. All of that goes out the window if the president's lawyers win their case. So I suppose the representatives of the State of California and the House of Representatives who are representing the defendants in that case should take some confidence in the fact that the president's biggest supporter doesn't think they're going to win. But I think it's very much an open question what the supreme court does. And if Judge Barrett replaces Justice Ginsburg, there is certainly a better chance of the whole law going down the tubes. Because as we know, she has already spoken of how she disagreed with the one time the supreme court has upheld the constitutionality of the Act. CHALIAN: And Jeffrey, isn't -- TOOBIN: Go ahead -- sorry. CHALIAN: And Jeffrey -- yes. Isn't Mitch McConnell's timeline here to get her quickly -- to get Amy Coney Barrett quickly on the court because that case is being heard soon? Isn't that part of the rush here is to have her on the court to be part of hearing that case? TOOBIN: Yes. That's part of it and it's also part of it to get her on the court in case there are any disputes about the election itself. That's one reason why McConnell is pushing so hard to get her confirmed before November 3rd. But certainly the fact that she can be there before that case is argued November 10th is another important reason why they're rushing so fast. BERMAN: Look at the two of you promoting CNN's special live coverage of the Supreme Court confirmation hearings which begin right after this quick break.

Trump Pitches Derogatory Tweet At Fauci; Barrett Confirmation Day Two Begins; CNN Panel On The Impact Of Barrett's Appointment.

Trump wirft abfälligen Tweet an Fauci; Barrett Bestätigung Tag zwei beginnt; CNN-Panel auf die Auswirkungen der Ernennung von Barrett.

特朗普在推特上贬损福奇；巴雷特任命确认第二天开始；有线电视新闻网对巴雷特的任命有何影响。

SCIUTTO: Well, Election Day's 20 days away but it's already starting. Rhode Island and Tennessee begin early in-person voting today, while Kansas and Oregon started mailing out absentee ballots to voters. This as several legal battles over voting could still make a big difference. A coalition of voting rights groups has filed a lawsuit seeking to extend Virginia's voter registration deadline, this after the state's site went down on the very last day of registration. HARLOW: In Wisconsin, Democrats are asking the Supreme Court there to allow absentee ballots to be counted up to six days after Election Day, November 3rd. This comes after an appeals court determined that ballots had to be in by 8:00 p.m. on Election Day. That is a win for the Republican side. And then in a federal appeals court, shortened the extension of Arizona's voter registration deadline. Voters must register by tomorrow. Joining us now is CNN national correspondent Kristen Holmes. On top of all that, there is California and the Republican Party there, setting up additional ballot boxes in several counties. I don't want to -- I don't know if the right word is fake -- I mean, they're taking ballots but they weren't approved to be there, right? KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Right, they're certainly unofficial. It's a bizarre situation in which -- HARLOW: OK. HOLMES: -- four counties started seeing these unofficial ballot boxes showing up. In some cases, they actually had the word "official" on them. And the California Republican Party has said that they did in fact put these out there, but that it was a legitimate way for them to gather and collect ballots and then return them to election officials. Now, state officials say absolutely no way, that this is against the law here. That, one, there's no chain of command. And two, election officials are the only ones who can establish an official drop box. They have issued a cease and desist. Now, the big question is whether or not the Republican Party in California will comply. SCIUTTO: All right, big images from around the country yesterday, long lines at voting stations in some cities, sometimes hours -- eight, 10 hours of wait time -- why is this happening, where are we seeing it happen? HOLMES: Well, Jim, there certainly does not seem to be a lack of enthusiasm around this election. What we have to keep in mind is that for many of these voters, they could have easily gone home and come back another day ahead of the election. This is early in-person voting. Instead, they wanted to wait the hours. They have told us that they were anxious to get their ballot in, and to get it in as quickly as possible. HOLMES (voice-over): It started before dawn. HOLMES: Everybody's come out to vote here, lines around the corner. HOLMES (voice-over): Thousands of people, waiting hours for early in- person voting. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just came out, so I would say about 2.5 hours. HOLMES (voice-over): -- and drive-through voting in Texas Tuesday. In Harris County, which includes Houston, the highest turnout during early voting ever. And that count came hours before the polls even closed, with lines still out the door. All the enthusiasm? After waking up to news of a late-night ruling upholding Republican Governor Greg Abbott's directive limiting ballot drop boxes to one per county, a major issue for densely populated counties where voters could spend more than an hour driving just to cast their vote. CHRIS HOLLINS, CLERK, HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS: More than 50 miles in some cases to drop off their mail ballot. It's unfair, it's prejudicial and it's dangerous. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good morning, everyone. HOLMES (voice-over): The day, not without mishaps. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are aware of some glitches in our voting system -- HOLMES (voice-over): Fort Bend County, now extending voting hours by two hours this week to compensate for lengthy waits due to widespread voting issues. it came a day after a similar start in Georgia, where voters waited for hours to cast their ballots. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to be out here and to be able to share my voice. HOLMES (voice-over): Georgia, setting an early voting record with nearly 127,000 ballots cast on day one. Tuesday, no different. More voters, more long lines. in Gwinnett County, some voters sitting in line for eight hours, determined to be heard no matter the obstacles. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So many people have sacrificed before us, so it's almost a spit in their face if we don't take the time to show our kids that they have this right, and it's best used as early as possible. HOLMES (voice-over): More than 10.5 million Americans have already cast their ballots in this election, six million of them in the most competitive states in the country. In the battleground state of Ohio, more than 193,000 people already voting early in person, tripling the roughly 64,000 at the same time in 2016. HOLMES: And, guys, we are already hearing reports of long lines in Tennessee today. SCIUTTO: Well, it's good to see people getting out there. Kristen Holmes -- HARLOW: Yes. SCIUTTO: -- thanks so much. If you want to find your polling station, voter registration status or get information on absentee or early voting, go here. All the information is there, CNN.com/vote. HARLOW: Thanks so much for joining us today. We will see you here tomorrow morning. I'm Poppy Harlow.

Courts Continue to Dispute Election Deadlines.

Gerichte streiten weiterhin Wahlfristen.

法院继续质疑选举最后期限

KING: President Trump called it a giant scandal. One Republican senator even said it would be the biggest thing since Watergate. Well, in the end it turns out the alleged unmasking scandal is much ado about -- well, much ado about not much. "The Washington Post" reporting today no charges will be brought after review of so-called unmasking efforts by top Obama administration officials back in 2016. It was the Attorney General William Barr who ordered that investigation. Unmasking is the term used when the government official asks for the name of someone listed in an intelligence report anonymously. Back in 2016, some Obama administration officials asked for specifics after seeing reports raising concerns that Americans were having unusual campaign year contacts with Russians. The former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's name was unmasked as part of that process. He was having meetings with Russians. The Obama administration officials say they followed the rules and were just doing their jobs. President Trump screamed scandal. TRUMP: The unmasking and the spying and to me that's the big story. Well, the unmasking is a massive - it's a massive thing. (via telephone): We're talking about unmasking, yes. That was a big deal. Horrible deal. KING: Horrible deal, the president says. Well, "The Washington Post" now reporting the investigation is over and the prosecutor tapped by AG Barr to look into the unmasking plans no charges and no public report. CNN Justice Correspondent, Jessica Schneider joins me now. Jessica, this was a big deal to the president, enough of a big deal that Bill Barr named a prosecutor to look into it. Seems to be going out with a bit of a whimper here. JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Very much a whimper, John. The president, like you heard there. He's hyped this for months and so of Republicans. Some saying that this was bigger than Watergate. But now, there will be no public report into these unmasking requests and no charges. That's according to "The Washington Post" despite the president promising and pushing for Obama officials to be indicted. Now, we got a hint that the investigation actually hit a dead end when the U.S. attorney in charge of this investigation left DOJ last week and "The Post" is now reporting that John Bash, that former U.S. attorney in San Antonio, found no evidence of substantive wrongdoing. Now, we had previously reported that Bash was brought on in May to handle this unmasking review. It was actually in support of the ongoing Russia investigation led by U.S. Attorney John Durham, and that's an investigation we've also reported likely will not yield any results before Election Day. This unmasking investigation was announced after then acting director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell declassified the names of former Obama officials who had allegedly requested the unmasking or the revealing of the identity of Michael Flynn, of course, Trump's first National Security adviser. They wanted that unmasking allegedly from foreign intelligence documents. Now, the names of Americans in those documents, they are always redacted but we do know that some government officials have the authority to unmask their identities. And at the time, Joe Biden's name was listed as an Obama official who requested the unmasking. And, of course, the Trump campaign seized on that. So, this is how "The Washington Post" is putting it today, saying, "Bash's team was focused not just on unmasking, but also on whether Obama-era officials provided information to reporters. But the findings ultimately turned over to Barr fell short of what Trump and others might have hoped, and the attorney general's office elected not to release them publicly." Now, the DOJ at this point is not commenting but really now the hyped investigation has come to an anti-climactic end for the president, John, and his allies and what they've railed against for months is now considered cleared with no charges forthcoming. This could rankle the president. You know he's already expressed frustration with the DOJ for not doing enough to move against his political adversaries. So, we will see how he responds to this, John. KING: He won't be happy with his attorney general but yet this is another Trump conspiracy theory that turned out to be just that, a smoke screen. Jessica Schneider, grateful for the reporting there. Thank you very much. Up next for us, the House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, bit of a Democratic family feud. She pushes back at internal party critics who want her to cut a stimulus deal.

"Washington Post:" No Charges In A.G. Barr's "Unmasking" Probe

\"Washington Post:\" Keine Anklage bei AG Barrs \"Demaskierung\"-Probe

华盛顿邮报：巴尔的“揭露”调查没有指控

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN ANCHOR: A loud wake-up call on coronavirus. Not a single state in the country is seeing cases decrease, while the president gathers big crowds in hard-hit states. BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: And it turns out the president's repeated claims that he was spied on by President Obama was a hoax. Trump's own Justice Department unable to make the case. Good morning, everyone, this is EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans. SANCHEZ: And I'm Boris Sanchez in for Laura Jarrett. We are 31 minutes past the hour. Great to see you as always, Christine. ROMANS: Nice to see you, too, Boris. SANCHEZ: Thanks. ROMANS: All right. Winter is coming and the fall coronavirus surge is clearly already here. This map says it all. Thirty-six states adding new cases in the last week. Also crucial is what you don't see -- green. Not a single state has seen cases decline in the last seven days. That's the first time that's happened since early April. Also, the seven-day average number of new cases has climbed back above 50,000 for the first time since August 16th. A quarter of states have daily positive test rates above 10 percent. DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES, NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH: We're seeing an uptick in what's called test positivity, which is often and, in fact, invariably highly predictive of resurgence of cases -- which historically, we know, leads to an increase in hospitalizations and then ultimately, an increase in deaths. SANCHEZ: The numbers not looking great. The U.S. hasn't had this many people hospitalized with COVID-19 since August 29th. And these are not asymptomatic cases, these are very sick people. Remember, even scaled back estimates show almost 400,000 American lives will be lost to the virus by next February. ROMANS: The director of the CDC telling governors that small family gatherings are spreading COVID-19. That's an especially important warning with Halloween and Thanksgiving approaching. And yet, "The Washington Post" and "The New York Times" both report the White House is leaning even harder into a herd immunity strategy -- that is, to let coronavirus spread among young, healthy people while protecting the elderly and medically vulnerable. But the herd immunity strategy has been denounced by most infectious disease experts, including the World Health Organization, which called it unethical just days ago. TEDROS ADHANOM GHEBREYESUS, DIRECTOR-GENERAL, WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION: Herd immunities are achieved by protecting people from the virus, not by exposing them to it. Allowing a dangerous virus that we don't truly understand to run free is simply unethical. It's not an option. SANCHEZ: Several states have been forced to roll back their reopenings and add visitor quarantine restrictions. A Long Island, New York venue was fined $12,000 for a super spreader sweet 16 party linked to nearly 40 cases. And look at this in Nashville. Health officials investigating an outdoor religious concert they say took place without a permit, drawing a large and maskless crowd. ROMANS: All right. Drugmaker Pfizer says it will start testing its vaccine on children as young as 12. There has been concern about the lack of vaccine testing on kids whose return to school is key to reopening the country. And the federal government is investing more than $400 million on a new COVID quick test. Slow and, in some cases, expensive testing has hampered efforts to control the pandemic. SANCHEZ: For more than two years, President Trump and many of his allies have very loudly made the claim that officials in the Obama administration spied on Trump, and it turns out those accusations were apparently just made up. "The Washington Post" reporting the federal prosecutor looking into Obama-era intelligence unmasking has finished his probe and he is not bringing any charges. For months, Republicans, including President Trump, hyped unmasking as the biggest political scandal since Watergate. They pressed the conspiracy theory even though it's common practice in intelligence work to unmask. It's when, in the course of conducting surveillance of foreign adversaries, U.S. citizens who might be involved in these investigations get their names blacked out -- redacted in reports, and government officials then request their identities. They unmask the names in order to better understand the intelligence. It happens frequently. In May, Attorney General Bill Barr tapped prosecutor John Bash to investigate and sources tell "The Washington Post" that Bash left the Justice Department last week. They say his findings fell short of what Trump was looking for, so the attorney general chose not to even release them. ROMANS: All right. The president back on the road again today. He heads for Iowa for another crowded event where new coronavirus cases and the positivity rate in Iowa are at or near all-time highs. After the president contracted coronavirus himself, many in his circle tried to spin it as a newly-relatable experience for a candidate trailing in the polls. But instead of adjusting, the president appears intent on ending this campaign the same way he started it, downplaying the virus and sticking with battle cries that got him elected four years ago. CNN's Jeremy Diamond is on the ground at the president's latest rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Christine and Boris. President Trump began the day on Tuesday attacking Dr. Anthony Fauci, who has been talking about the very same rallies that President Trump hosting on Tuesday night, saying that they are a concern, particularly because of the lack of any social distancing and the very few masks being worn here. But the president carrying forward with this. He plans to hold a rally every day or perhaps multiple rallies a day in the three weeks between now and Election Day. The president, on Tuesday in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, spending much of his time attacking former vice president Joe Biden on issues like trade and also, of course, on the energy issues that are important here in Pennsylvania, like fracking. And the president also making a play for an important demographic here in the state of Pennsylvania, and that is suburban women. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Suburban women, they should like me more than anybody here tonight because I ended the regulation that destroyed your neighborhood, I ended the regulation that brought crime to the suburbs, and you're going to live the American dream -- and that's what you're going to do. Can I ask you to do me a favor? Suburban women, will you please like me? Please, please. I saved your damn neighborhood, OK? DIAMOND: Now, what the president is referring to there is an Obama- era regulation that sought to desegregate the suburbs. That is the fair housing regulation that President Trump has abolished and that he's now touting in his pitch to suburban women. But what the president does seem to at least recognize here is that he is struggling with that key demographic, which is so important to this must-win state of Pennsylvania. But the problem is that the main issue on voters' minds, including those suburban women that the president is targeting, is the coronavirus pandemic -- Christine, Boris. SANCHEZ: Jeremy Diamond from Pennsylvania. Thanks for that. Joe Biden, meantime, spent the day courting seniors in Florida, a key voting bloc in a critical swing state. And he used the pandemic to make his case to voters. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: And he throws super spreader parties at the White House and Republicans hug each other without concern of the consequences. How many of you have been able to hug your grandkids in the last seven months? Every single day I contact them but I can't hug them, I can't embrace them -- and I'm luckier than most. ROMANS: All right, 20 days to the election. It's time now for three questions in three minutes. Let's bring in CNN senior political analyst John Avlon. Good Wednesday morning to you. JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Good morning. SANCHEZ: Morning, John. ROMANS: Twenty days to go. The president begging for votes from suburban women -- begging for votes. Recent polls, though, show he's losing in the suburbs, he's losing with women. Anything he can do to reverse the tide? AVLON: Well, first of all, probably the best approach is not to sound like an unsuccessful -- ROMANS: Desperate? AVLON: -- Sally Fields (sic) and sort of say please love me. You know, please like me. Look, the problem is that what you just heard is him making the case that suburban women should vote for him because he saved their neighborhoods from rising crime that came from -- wait for it -- removing a desegregation policy. This isn't a racist dog whistle, this is a bullhorn. Now, many of the folks in the crowd won't know what he's actually talking about. But just to be clear, that's what he's talking about. That is old school racial demagoguery and it's done from this position of weakness like he's trying to woo someone in a -- in a -- in a sexist category. It's -- I don't think it's going to be successful. Obviously, suburban people -- women and suburban voters are key but I don't think telling them that you're going to remove desegregation policies and racist appeals is necessarily the best way to seal -- ROMANS: Yes. AVLON: -- that deal. SANCHEZ: Yes. We have to talk about the senior vote. AVLON: Yes. SANCHEZ: It's important in every election but especially in this one. Older voters in 2016 largely went for Trump. That appears to be shifting though. Polls showing Trump trailing Biden. Trump hovering just under -- AVLON: Yes. SANCHEZ: -- 40 percent with seniors -- yes. Can President Trump afford to lose seniors but somehow still win this election? AVLON: Of course not because senior citizens have been one of the most dependable Republican voting blocs and it was key to his vote over Hillary -- win over Hillary Clinton. Look, in the latest CNN poll, Joe Biden has a 21-point edge among senior citizens -- voters over 65 -- with Donald Trump. That is a real problem. But it doesn't help that he's campaigning as basically someone who's had COVID but still denies the best practices to contain it. Because senior citizens are disproportionately affected and likely to be fatally ill from contracting COVID. And so, I think that's a real uphill climb for him. Because also, senior citizens have perspective on this president, something that not all voters do. They know perhaps better than most that this is not normal. ROMANS: Yes. And you saw Joe Biden yesterday trying to say look, all these seniors haven't been able to hug their grandkids for months now -- AVLON: Big-time. ROMANS: -- and that's something that really hits home I think. The president going to Iowa today. AVLON: Speaking of home, Christine. ROMANS: Yes, to my home state of Iowa. And look, Barack Obama won the state twice, Trump won it last time. I'm going to be fascinated to see what the message is that can resonate there in the Midwest -- in the Midwest for Iowa voters. AVLON: Look, you know, Iowa contains many of what are called pivot counties -- these counties -- ROMANS: Yes. AVLON: -- that voted twice for Obama-Biden, once for Donald Trump. You know, Trump won it by almost 10 points last time around. Now it's neck-and-neck in some polls. The Senate candidate -- Sen. Joni Ernst is actually down to her Democratic candidate by a handful of points. One thing Trump has tried to do is pump in millions and billions of dollars to farmers to alleviate the impact of the trade war. But I think at the end of the day, it's going to try to say look, I stood up to China, I'll stand up for you. I've got the farmers' backs and I've given you a lot of cash to boot. It still might not be enough because that's a serious erosion from a state he run -- he won going away last time around. ROMANS: There's also this Iowa nice, you know? AVLON: Iowa nice -- you and I talked about this. ROMANS: Trump does not try to appear nice. AVLON: No. ROMANS: And so maybe that will work against him -- who knows. SANCHEZ: Decency certainly something that attracts voters, right? Bonus question, John. We're doing four for four -- AVLON: I love bonus questions. SANCHEZ: -- today -- yes. This is on the Supreme Court. Amy Coney Barrett refusing to say yesterday whether Roe versus Wade is a super precedent. She sort of argued against it. A decision that is -- AVLON: Yes. SANCHEZ: -- so fundamental that it can be overturned, right. She also refused to say much about the president's more controversial statements like -- about a peaceful transition of power or voter intimidation. On this day two of questioning, what should we be looking for? AVLON: Look, I think doubling down on things like that. Look, it is significant that she said that Roe was not a super precedent but frankly, it should not be surprising. Look, she is clearly smart. She is well qualified, according to the American Bar Association, and that matters. But she didn't declare -- decide -- decline to comment on the president's statements. She declined to say whether a president could suspend an election. Whether voting intimidation was illegal -- it is. And whether or not -- you know, there should be a commitment to a peaceful transfer of power. These are not tough questions. Also, they're using -- they're already embedded in precedent -- in existing law. So that deferral to them by treating them like something controversial that could come across her desk, I think hurts her credibility. Those are not tough questions, those are obvious. SANCHEZ: John Avlon, CNN senior political analyst, grab some coffee. Thanks for joining us. ROMANS: Thanks, John. AVLON: Yes, please -- more of that. SANCHEZ: The Supreme Court has approved the Trump administration's emergency application to stop the census early while litigation continues in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Civil rights groups fear that cutting off field operations now will cause an undercount and leave major funding gaps for critical services in areas that need it the most. The census was supposed to run through October 31st but the White House has repeatedly tried to end it early, claiming it has to start the processing of data sooner to have a final count before Trump leaves office. ROMANS: All right, to business now. The CEO of JPMorgan Chase urging Congress for more stimulus to help the economy avoid another recession -- a so-called double-dip recession. During a call with investors Tuesday, Jamie Dimon said a decent stimulus package would be helpful and that a double-dip recession would cause considerable pain and suffering. Democrats and the White House still locked in a stalemate over stimulus. Both Senate Republicans and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have rejected a $1.8 trillion proposal made by the president last week. Despite economic concerns, though, JPMorgan slightly upgraded its economic forecast and opted not to ramp up its cushion for loan loss reserves. Analysts had expected the bank to set aside billions to cover defaults and bankruptcies. At the same time, the International Monetary Fund lowered its global growth forecast for 2021. The group now says a 5.2 percent increase in global growth next year. The IMF estimates the economy will shrink by 4.4 percent in 2020, a less severe contraction than it forecast in June. The IMF warned of a long, uneven recovery that will cause a rare increase in extreme poverty. We'll be right back.

Washington Post: Unmasking Probe Demanded By Trump Ends With No Charges; Trump To Campaign In Iowa, Where Coronavirus Is Surging.

Washington Post: Von Trump geforderte Entlarvung der Untersuchung endet ohne Anklage; Trump führt eine Kampagne in Iowa durch, wo das Coronavirus auf dem Vormarsch ist.

华盛顿邮报：特朗普拆除探头命令以免费收尾；特朗普竞选地点是爱荷华州新冠肺炎病毒激增之处

SANCHEZ: The coronavirus sidelining a famed cultural institution for the first time in its 178-year history. CNN has that and other pandemic developments from coast-to-coast. STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Stephanie Elam in Los Angeles. The United States Postal Service is saying that 18 of its employees have tested positive for the coronavirus at its Las Vegas processing center. The center employs about 800 people. And they say they continue to push CDC protocols, including social distancing and washing their hands, and also wearing masks. They're saying despite the number of positive tests that have come in since September 26th that it's had no impact on their operations. BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN SENIOR GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: I'm Bianna Golodryga in New York. After Michigan reported its highest seven-day average of COVID-19 cases since April, officials there are focusing on school. The state's Department of Health and Human Services reported 26 new outbreaks Monday in both K-12 schools and colleges. The largest, at Kalamazoo College, included 21 reported cases. In total, more than 80 schools across the state are currently experiencing outbreaks. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer reminding residents that, quote, "If we drop our guard, we're going to see a community spread, and we're already seeing that a bit." ERICA HILL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm Erica Hill in New York. For the first time in its 178-year history, the New York Philharmonic is canceling its entire season. That goes through June of 2021. Noting mandatory city and state health guidelines that just make indoor concerts basically impossible, the president and CEO calling the health and financial challenges profound and said the cancellation itself is dreadful. ROMANS: Yes, just something, isn't it? All right, 15 new countries have been elected to the U.N. Human Rights Council and seven of -- several of them are accused human rights abusers, including China, Cuba, Pakistan, Russia, and Uzbekistan. The body of 47 countries is responsible for the promotion and protection of human rights around the globe. The Trump administration pulled the U.S. out in 2018 claiming an alleged bias against Israel and a pattern of corruption and repressive regimes in its ranks. SANCHEZ: Veteran film and television actress Conchata Ferrell has died. Her career as a deadpan comedian and dramatic actress spanned five decades, starting off on Broadway and on the sitcom "MAUDE" in the mid-1970s. She's probably best known for her role as the housekeeper on the T.V. series "TWO AND A HALF MEN." CONCHATA FERRELL, ACTRESS: OK, listen to me, Zippy. If that's all it took to make a marriage, I'd have a husband for each one of my tattoos. SANCHEZ: Ferrell was a three-time Emmy nominee, including twice for "TWO AND A HALF MEN." She died from complications following a heart attack. Conchata Ferrell was 77 years old. KYLE BURGESS, HIKER FACING COUGAR: Go away! Go away! Please, go away. Holy (bleep). SANCHEZ: Yes, that's right. This may have been the longest six minutes of Kyle Burgess' life. While hiking on a trail in Utah, he came across a mother cougar and her cubs. He quickly pulled out his phone and started recording it and then ended up being stalked by this angry female mountain lion. BURGESS: Really, she was just doing what she's supposed to do. She was protecting her baby cubs. And so, I felt like if I did anything sooner, she probably could have felt like I was attacking her baby cubs and I think it would have ended a lot differently. SANCHEZ: Yes, it certainly could have. Cougars are a protected species in Utah and according to state wildlife officials, they're typically very shy. ROMANS: Wow, that one was not shy. SANCHEZ: True. ROMANS: All right. Looking at markets around the world right now, let's take a look at what's happening in Asian shares. They closed mixed. Europe has opened slightly higher. And futures in the U.S. for this Wednesday morning are pointing higher ahead of earnings from Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs, and Bank of America. Stocks fell Tuesday after Johnson & Johnson halted a COVID-19 vaccine trial and Eli Lily paused its antibody trial. The Dow down 157. The S&P 500 and the Nasdaq also down slightly on the day. Delta Airlines reported losing billions in the third quarter and warned investors it may take two years or more for air travel to recover. A contested election could harm Americans' faith in democracy and the country's perfect credit rating. Fitch Ratings said it will closely watch the November election for any departure from American's history of orderly transfers of power. A downgrade could affect investors' confidence and set off more uncertainty in financial markets. It could also make it more expensive for the U.S. to finance its mountains of debt. Thousands of Amazon workers are petitioning for paid time off for all the employees to vote. The petition calls for eight hours of paid time off for employees to use until Election Day for voting-related activities, including registering and volunteering. More than 3,000 employees have signed this petition. Companies, including Walmart, Starbucks, and Twitter, have announced they would give workers some additional paid time off so they can vote. This has been a really interesting wave I've seen in corporate America where they want -- they want people to have time and space to vote however they're going to vote for this 2020 election. SANCHEZ: Yes, a lot of folks have called for it to be a national holiday. ROMANS: Yes. SANCHEZ: It will be an interesting argument moving forward seeing what happens in 2020. ROMANS: All right, that's it for us this Wednesday morning. Thanks for joining us. Have a great rest of your day. I'm Christine Romans. SANCHEZ: And I'm Boris Sanchez in for Laura Jarrett. "NEW DAY" is next.

U.S. Grapples With Surge That Could Foreshadow Deadly Winter

USA kämpfen mit Überspannung, die einen tödlichen Winter ankündigen könnte

美国全力应对风暴潮，此次风暴潮预示着致命冬季可能要来临

VAUSE: Coronavirus infection rates have soared in the U.S. to their highest level in two months. More than 50,000 cases are being reported every day pushing the country closer to 8 million confirmed infections since the pandemic began. That is by far the worst outbreak in the world. Not a single U.S. state is trending in the right direction. Once again, hospital admissions are on the rise, that's putting further strain on the health care system. And then deaths will surely follow. In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, officials now opened a field hospital to deal with an overflow of patients. We have more details now from CNN's Nick Watt. NICK WATT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A field hospital opened outside Milwaukee today. Why? GOV. TONY EVERS (D-WIS), WISCONSIN: Over the last month, our hospitalizations have nearly tripled. WATTS: Now at an all-time high in Wisconsin. Similar situation in these five states. Record numbers in the hospital now. DR. MARK MCCLELLAN, FMR. U.S. FDA COMMISSIONER: Maybe people are just getting a little bit tired of having to deal with the pandemic. The trends are very worrisome. WATTS: Average new COVID-19 case counts rising in a staggering 36 states. Not a single state moving in the right direction. Florida once more on the rise. Saturday the Gators football coach was bullish. DAN MULLEN, HEAD FOOTBALL COACH, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA: Hopefully, the university administration decides to let us pack this one (ph) for LSU this week. WATT: That game now postponed, their entire football program paused. Twenty-one players have tested positive. Across this country, we're averaging more than 50,000 new cases a day, for the first time in two months. DR. JONATHAN REINER, PROFESSOR OF MEDICINE, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY: For the short term, we have to hunker down. WATT: There are masks, distancing, regulations in many public places. But we're spreading the virus at small family gathering, says the CDC director. Got to be vigilant at Thanksgiving. REINER: Frankly, I'd rather do a Zoom thanksgiving with people that I love than expose them to something that might kill them. WATT: Some new info about this deadly virus. Immunity after infection can last months according to three new reports. Good news for the vaccine hunt. And good news if you're blood type O. You might be at less risk of infection or a severe illness, according to two new studies. Meanwhile, some White House advisers reportedly pushing a herd immunity strategy. Protect the elderly but let the virus spread amongst the young. The aim? Effectively immunize enough people to slow spread. DR. WILLIAM HASELTINE, FMR. PROFESSOR, HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL: I'm extremely concerned that the president is being advised by people who speak of herd immunity. Herd immunity is another word for mass murder. WATT: In New York, they're playing life or death whack-a-mole right now. A Sweet 16 on Long Island just spawned nearly 40 cases. And in the city -- MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO, N.Y.: We're threatened with a full blown second wave in New York City. If that happened, the entire city would have to go back to the restrictions we knew in March and April. WATT: And here's another harsh reality check. GOV. ANDREW CUOMO (D-N.Y.): This is not going away anytime soon. I think best case scenario we're looking at another year by the time -- even if everything works out well. WATT: Nick Watt. CNN, Los Angeles. VAUSE: Well, a little more now on herd immunity. In theory, the virus would be able to run its course unchecked. To be effective, at least 60 percent of the population needs to be infected. Those who survive, manage to beat COVID-19, will be immune because they have the antibodies and be virus-free. While those who are killed by the virus, well, the virus will die with them. That was the case for the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic. But with COVID-19 right now in the U.S., for example, 3 percent of the population have been infected. So to get to 60 percent, that's 20 times the number. Twenty times 210,000 people will have to die. That's about four million people all up (ph). And right now, there are so many unknowns about just how long immunity might last, if at all. Which makes this herd immunity theory almost impossible to rely on. Even as the White House endorses herd immunity, health experts are warning the strategy will actually be so deadly, it'll kill so many people, it'll be in the millions. CNN medical analyst, Dr. Leana Wen spoke to CNN earlier about what is a dangerous strategy. DR. LEANA WEN, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: So herd immunity is not a public health strategy when it comes to COVID-19. Public health is about protecting the public's health. But trying for herd immunity through natural infection with COVID-19 means that we would be deliberately, knowingly, purposefully facilitating infections and deaths. That's a worst-case scenario. So what herd immunity means that if you get 60 to 80 percent of the population infected and they then recover and ideally have immunity, you're able to protect everyone else in the community. Here's the problem though. To get to that level, we're talking about 200 million Americans who'll have to get COVID-19. Even if you have a death rate of 1 percent, that's 2 million Americans who would have to die. And in this case, we don't know how long immunity will last. It could be only a matter of months, maybe up to a year. That means to reach this herd immunity concept, that's 2 million or more people would have to die every year. That's not a strategy. That's deliberately killing many Americans. When we look at what President Trump is doing right now, having these massive rallies in areas that are undergoing spread and talking about how himself is immune and others are immune, he is essentially advocating for that herd immunity strategy. Where you hear other top advisers make comments about how children don't get infected -- which is not true -- or that somehow you can wall off the older people who are more vulnerable, they are advocating for a herd immunity strategy. It doesn't even matter what we call it, it's a matter of what it is that we're doing. The actions in this case speak a lot louder than words. And I just hope that the American people will recognize how dangerous this strategy is. It's not a strategy. This is the worst-case scenario that we're trying to prevent. VAUSE: Now many in the U.S. are looking forward to the holiday season with thanksgiving next month, Christmas and New Year's after. But with a resurgent pandemic, the nation's leading infectious disease expert is warning Americans may have to sacrifice family gatherings to save lives. DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: I think people should be very careful and prudent about social gatherings, particularly when members of the family might be at a risk because of their age or their underlying condition. Namely, you may have to bite the bullet and sacrifice that social gathering unless you're pretty certain that the people that you're dealing with are not infected. Either they've been very recently tested or they're living a lifestyle in which they don't have any interaction with anybody except you and your family. VAUSE: Experts have been sounding the alarm for months about a second wave in the United States. But President Trump was pushing a very different message back in April. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It might not come back at all, Jeff. It may not come back at all. He's talking about a worst-case scenario where you have a big flu and you have some corona. And if it does comes back -- it's not going to come back, and I've spoken to 10 different people. Not going to be like it was. But it's all possible -- it's also possible it doesn't come back at all. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I understand. VAUSE: Now at the time, the president was even contradicting his own task force who warned of this potential resurgence later in the year. FAUCI: In fact, I would anticipate that that would actually happen because of the degree of transmissibility. However, if you come back in the fall, it will be a totally different ball game of what happened when we first got hit with it in the beginning of this year. DR. DEBORAH BIRX, WHITE CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE COORDINATOR: Testing asymptomatics will be key. The asymptomatic piece may be the tip of the iceberg, in fact, be the iceberg underneath the surface. We think it's fundamental both for right now and going through the fall. Because that will be our early alert if any of the COVID virus reappears. VAUSE: We now know that Donald Trump's 14-year-old Barron tested positive for the coronavirus not long after positive results came in for his mother and father. Melania Trump said his son had no symptoms. All three have since tested negative. The president says Baron is doing fine. The first lady opened up about her own symptoms on Wednesday saying she had a cough, body aches and fatigue but were minimal. Despite all of this, President Trump is still holding big rallies with few masks and no social distancing. He held another one on Wednesday night in Iowa. Even the governor spoke at the rally, defied her own proclamation about people staying six feet apart at those kind of big gatherings. Some people were not happy with the rally and advertised about it on this billboard -- you can see it right there. "Trump COVID Super Spreader Event." CNN's Jim Acosta has details from Des Moines. JIM ACOSTA, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: President Trump staged yet another potential super spreader event at the Des Moines Airport in Iowa with thousands of people on hand. Many in the crowd were not practicing social distancing and they were not wearing masks. And I had a chance to talk to some of those Trump supporters as they were filing in. They essentially said they're placing their trust more on the president than the top health experts who say they should be playing it safe. And here's some of what they had to say. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I'm not worried. ACOSTA: And why is that? UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Because it's got a 99.9 percent recovery rate. We're going to live our life. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Well, I care about people. I don't want to give it to them if there's a chance you might be carrying it around, myself. I'm not worried. I figure the sooner we all get it, the sooner we'll be done with it. ACOSTA: And you don't think that could lead to a lot of people dying, perhaps, from the virus if -- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I think the numbers are vastly inflated. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I don't have any concerns at all. You can't live your life in fear and I'm not really scared of this virus. There's all kinds of other viruses out there that could jeopardize your health as well. So can't stop living. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Well, if I'm going to get sick and die, I guess it's my turn. But I trust God and I'm not scared. ACOSTA: And there are plenty of critics of the president's rally here in the Des Moines area. As we spotted outside the airport where this rally took place there was a billboard that said "Trump Super Spreader Event" with an arrow pointing to the rally site. VAUSE: Thanks to Jim Acosta, reporting in there from Des Moines, Iowa. And the old firm of Obama Biden will be back on the campaign trial next week. Former president, Barack Obama, will hit a number of swing states making the case for his former VP. They say they will practice social distancing throughout all of this. Party officials are hoping that Obama will focus on those early voting states, in particular close the deal for Joe Biden when it comes to Latino and black men as well as young voters. Nineteen days and counting until election day. Millions of Americans are already turning out in record numbers to vote early. Despite waiting in lines at polling stations for hours, even entire days. More on that when we come back. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: It's something I have to do. So, it's OK. It's just the price you pay the cast your vote. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I have voted in every presidential election since I was qualified to vote. And I think it's important, I think we have a say and I think we need to exercise our right to vote.

Heart- wrenching Toll of COVID-19; U.S. Nears 8 Million Confirmed COVID Cases; Herd Immunity Explained

Herzzerreißende Folgen von COVID-19; USA nähert sich 8 Millionen bestätigten COVID-Fällen; Herdenimmunität erklärt

新冠死亡人数触目惊心；美国将近800万确诊病例；群体免疫所致

SCIUTTO: All right, now to the latest on this election when it comes to your vote. In-person early voting is now under way in the key swing state of North Carolina. In Virginia, a judge has reopened voter registration there until midnight tonight, this after a computer outage took that system down on Tuesday, which was the original final day for registration. So good news for voters who still need to register. Plus this, Republicans in California say they will not comply with the state's cease and desist order calling for the party to remove what are unofficial ballot drop boxes. KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's a good question. In case you're wondering what the Republican Party of California is thinking, the spokesperson said in an interview, "If they want to take us to court, then they can go ahead and take us to court." So likely a big political showdown, just in the weeks ahead of November 3rd. But let's talk about what's going on here, because not only did the California Republican Party refuse to comply with the cease and desist, they actually had officials saying that it was going so well, they might add new drop boxes. As we know, the party had started putting up these unofficial drop boxes in at least four counties in California. Some of them were falsely labeled as official boxes, and many of them were unsecured with no one nearby. Now of course, this alarmed state officials who, as you said, issued this cease and desist, saying that they had broken the law in two ways. One, that the only person who could put out a drop box was an actual election official. And two, while California does have a third party law -- meaning that someone else can cast your ballot for you -- both parties have to sign the ballot, which obviously can't be done if there's just a random drop box sitting out there, no one nearby to sign. This is what the Republican Party had to say. They said, "The program you now falsely claim to be illegal is a perfect example of what you," quote, "'proudly' stated to be permissible just last year. In this case, voters have decided, for themselves, that they trust the staff and volunteers at their local political party headquarters or their church or a business that they patronize, to securely deliver their completed VBM ballot to the appropriate election official." Now, I want to point one thing out here, the letter also showed that it looks like they're taking steps to comply with the law. They said they're removing any boxes that were falsely labeled official, as well as having people man the boxes to sign those ballots. HARLOW: Thank you for that. I guess maybe to court this goes for California? Not sure. We appreciate it. SCIUTTO: Yes. HARLOW: Again, let's pull this on-screen so you can see. If you have any questions in your state, your county, where you vote, polling information, registration status, go to CNN.com/vote. Now to a CNN exclusive, we have learned that federal prosecutors including Special Counsel Robert Mueller spent more than three years investigating whether money flowing through an Egyptian state-owned bank could have backed millions of dollars Donald Trump donated to his own 2016 campaign. SCIUTTO: Ultimately, the Mueller team was simply not able to obtain all the information it wanted, nor could the U.S. attorneys in D.C. who continued the probe until this year, and decided then not to pursue charges. CNN's senior justice correspondent Evan Perez joins us now. Evan, this was not publicly know. I'm just curious, did they conclude there was nothing here or did they just get to the point where they couldn't give a hard answer on this? EVAN PEREZ, CNN SENIOR JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: It's the latter. Look, this is an investigation that was conducted with utmost secrecy, given the sensitivity. It started soon after Trump won the presidency back in 2016, it continued until this summer. And it's never been described publicly. We spoke to more than a dozen sources familiar with this effort in addition to what we learned from some of the newly released court documents and hints in public records. Two of those sources told CNN that FBI investigators first became interested in the case after intelligence including from an informant suggested that Trump's last- minute $10 million injection into his campaign, less than two weeks before the 2016 election, could have been backed by money that came from overseas through an Egyptian state-owned bank. Now, it's not clear that investigators ever had concrete evidence of a relevant bank transfer, but multiple sources told us that there was more than enough information to justify seeking a subpoena in court, and to keep the investigation open even after Robert Mueller's probe ended. The investigation of a potential campaign finance law violation began with the FBI and the U.S. attorney here in Washington before Mueller took it on, and it was largely conducted by Mueller's investigators. And when Mueller was done, the investigation continued. It was handed back to the U.S. attorney here in Washington who, soon afterwards, told a court that it was still a robust probe but they felt that they never got all of the records that they needed from that Egyptian bank. It was just this summer that the case was closed with no charges filed. And among the chief questions, guys, that prosecutors sought to answer but never did was whether Donald Trump was supported by or indebted to a foreign power. Mueller had no comment when we reached out to him, and a senior advisor to the Trump 2020 campaign, Jason Miller, told CNN, quote, "President Trump has never received a penny from Egypt." HARLOW: OK, there is a lot there but there's a lot more, Evan. So if we could just go through what else is here, whether there were discussions of trying to get to the bottom of this by subpoenaing the president's financial records? PEREZ: There was. Multiple sources tell us that last year, federal prosecutors here in Washington proposed pushing for the president's financial records. The decision went to the then-U.S. attorney, Jessie Liu, who, after weeks looking over the investigative records, decided to reject the subpoena request. Sources told us that Liu decided that there wasn't enough to meet the standard for the subpoena. But interestingly, she did not close the case. By the way, the Justice Department, we reached out to them. A senior Justice official told CNN in response to this reporting, quote, "The case was first looked at by the Special Counsel investigators who failed to bring a case, and then it was looked at by the U.S. attorney's office, and career prosecutors in the national security section, who also were unable to bring a case. Based upon the recommendations of both the FBI and those career prosecutors, Michael Sherwin, the acting U.S. attorney, formally closed the case in July." HARLOW: OK. SCIUTTO: All right, so the special counsel's office, it was known -- you and I have talked about this a lot -- for keeping their various investigative threads under wraps. But there were never any leaks about this even after the case was ultimately closed. How did they manage to keep it secret? PEREZ: Well you know, that's one of the enduring things about Mueller. The Egyptian investigation was never mentioned in the Mueller report. It is listed among 11 cases that Mueller transferred to other prosecutors when his investigation ended, but that entry was redacted. The only public indication was this secretive court proceedings over a subpoena that Mueller's team issued to an unnamed foreign company for records, and neither the company nor the details of what prosecutors were looking for was ever publicly discussed. But CNN was told that it was a fight with this state-owned Egyptian bank. A spokesman for the Egyptian president did not comment when we reached out to them. HARLOW: And also, Evan, this investigation continued under Bill Barr's Justice Department. Did prosecutors explain why? PEREZ: Yes, that's one of the interesting things. We know that they told the court that the investigation was continuing robustly and (ph) quote, "Very much a live issue." We know about the consideration of a subpoena last year, but that's about it until it was closed. The fact of the matter is that the case was closed without investigators really getting an answer to their ultimate question: Was Donald Trump supported by or indebted to a foreign power -- Poppy and Jim. HARLOW: Such important reporting, Evan. SCIUTTO: Absolutely. HARLOW: Yes, thanks very much. PEREZ: Thank you. HARLOW: So many families have been torn apart by this pandemic. Coming up, the heartbreaking story of an Arizona family who has lost eight of their loved ones. Also, their message this morning to the president.

California Republican Party Refuses to Remove Ballot Collection Boxes; Robert Mueller Investigated Trump Ties to Egyptian Bank.

Republikanische Partei in Kalifornien weigert sich, Wahlurnen zu entfernen; Robert Mueller hat die Verbindungen zwischen Trump und der ägyptischen Bank untersucht.

加州共和党拒绝拆除选票投放箱；罗伯特·穆勒调查了特朗普与埃及银行的关系。

KING: Former President Barack Obama is warming up for a return to the campaign trail. Florida, Wisconsin, North Carolina, states under consideration for late campaign Obama appearances and he is also the star in Democratic videos about how to navigate new pandemic voting rules. Now, we know there is zero love lost between President Obama and his successor, who, of course, spent years promoting the bogus idea that Obama wasn't born in the United States. That was one topic when President Obama sat down with former aides for a podcast. BARACK OBAMA, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: As I was writing the book and I was just looking through some of the old stuff about Trump -- Trump was complimentary of me for like the first two years. So like, yes, Obama seems like doing a great job, you know? Thinking, you know -- and, essentially, what happened, because the guy just decided he wanted attention, right, whether it was to promote Celebrity Apprentice or whatever, he looked and saw what was being fed and he said, oh, if that's -- if that's what folks want, I can do that with even less inhibition, right? So with even less of a -- I don't need a dog whistle, I'm just going to go ahead and say it. And I'll just -- and that's how the whole birtherism shtick came about. Our country has always had this battle, right, between these darker impulses to exclude, to dominate, to rig the game in favor of certain folks and not others. And then, the other side of it has been to expand and embrace the dignity and inherent worth of every individual, regardless of what they look like or where they come from. And that tug of war is always going to be there. KING: CNN Political Correspondent Abby Phillip joins me with more. It is interesting to listen to the former president, Abby. I've heard him talk about Trump and birtherism in not so common tone, and it is understandable. But this is an interesting moment for him and for the Biden campaign to get him back on the trail, trying to energize turnout in key places in the final days. ABBY PHILLIP, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I mean, I think that this is a reprisal for Barack Obama of this very role that he played even four years ago when -- he played the role of the closer for Hillary Clinton as well. But, obviously, the stakes are -- I mean, you heard him say it, he believes the stakes are even higher than they were then. What struck me about this interview was -- I mean, I think just there -- this is not taking sort of some kind of aloof higher ground on this, he's really digging in on his criticism of Trump personally, from a policy perspective. And then I think what you will see from him, obviously, is trying to convey a sense of urgency, particularly to black voters in some of those states that you just showed that this is not like, you know, 2016 when you did see a downward swing in turnout compared to when he was on the ballot. I just don't know for sure that that is going to be effective. But, obviously, you can see from what he is doing now and what they have plans to do, that they're going to try their hardest to get that message out. And if there's anybody that can do it, it is probably Barack Obama. KING: And it's interesting, because a lot of Democrats scoffed at Joe Biden at the beginning of the campaign, when he was essentially running on unity and competence, right? Unity and competence, I know how to run the government. But listen here. Even the guy who brought us hope and change back in 2007-2008 says, yes, competence should be part of your choice. OBAMA: I would say to anybody who is skeptical about what government can do generally is to just take the example of when we were in office. You might not have been happy with everything I did, all my policy choices. I didn't eliminate poverty in America. But when we had a pandemic or threat of pandemic, we had competent people in place who would deal with it. KING: He's essentially saying adult leadership that understands and respects government and its institutions, not a bad thing. PHILLIP: Yes. I mean, the hope and change candidate after eight years as president is now sort of like the bureaucratic competency president. And I think that that is actually the Joe Biden message, which is that this pandemic has shown what kind of President Donald Trump is. And I think you'll see President Obama reiterating that probably a lot because, for all of the criticism of the Obama administration, I think that there is a sense that there wasn't this sort of topsy-turvy nature to his presidency, and he is basically making the case that Joe Biden would be another version of that, just more of that same kind of -- a certain kind of stability. So that's the case that he's going to be making and it's totally different from what he made to voters when he was running. But this is what the entire election is about, how the coronavirus pandemic was handled and how Joe Biden would handle it as president. KING: Abby Phillip, grateful for the reporting and insights. Interesting, 19 days to come. Up next, wrinkle as part of that, the California Republican Party says it will not follow a judge's order to remove unofficial ballot boxes the state GOP has placed across California.

Obama Expected to Hit Campaign Trail for Biden Next Week

Obama wird vermutlich nächste Woche in den Wahlkampf für Biden eintreten

奥巴马下周为拜登竞选造势

JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everybody. I'm John King in Washington. Thank you for sharing this very, very busy news day with us. Coronavirus disruption simply everywhere today. The count of new infections is heading up, and dangerously so. The number of Americans filing for unemployment is also up again, proof the coronavirus recovery is on very shaky ground. And campaign 2020, also being disrupted. This was supposed to be debate night in America. Instead, 19 days to Election Day, Americans are forced to choose tonight between primetime town halls with each candidate. Joe Biden takes voters questions on ABC. The president is on NBC. The debate was called off of course because of the president's coronavirus case. He refused to switch to a virtual event. Well, a fresh example this morning of how the Democrats are handling all things coronavirus very differently than the Republican incumbent. The Democratic vice-presidential nominee, Kamala Harris, is canceling a North Carolina campaign event after a campaign staffer tested positive. The campaign says there's no reason to believe Senator Harris was exposed but it is protocols call for caution. So, she will do events online instead of in person for a few days now. The president is on the road insisting all is well and insisting he is immune. A North Carolina Trump rally first and then to Miami for his town hall. If truth matters to you, then you are at odds with the president. He says the virus is on its heels, and you need not to worry. The numbers simply don't lie. Nearly 60,000 new infections added to the U.S. case count yesterday, Wednesday. 14 states registering record highs in their daily average of new cases. All the data tell us we are climbing toward a new peak, not coming down. Dr. Anthony Fauci says the math is self-evident and says the United States enters the next month in quote a "compromised position." Look across Europe. What do you see? Leader after leader talking about the urgent fall challenge. Leader after leader urging more personal responsibility. Some imposing new restrictions. Look here, closer to home, and see denial and defiance. President Trump ignores the rising challenge and defies science and commonsense by packing rallies with supporters, shoulder-to-shoulder. Dr. Fauci calls that dangerous. Plain and simple. DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: I don't like to be pitted against what the president says, but it's so clear when you have congregate settings and so many people. When you're in a situation, when the community infection rate is there, you can't run away from or argue with the numbers. It's a high-risk endeavor. KING: You hear Dr. Fauci talking about high risk, talking about the baseline of cases. Let's just look at the numbers. And they're heading simply in the wrong direction. Dr. Fauci for months has talked about shoving the baseline down. Well, we have 50 states. 35 of them, 35 out of the 50 states right now reporting more new coronavirus infections today than a week ago. 35 states trending in the wrong direction. Again, it's everywhere but public health experts will tell you, no coincidence. Look at the northern half of the country where it's getting colder sooner as we head into the autumn. 35 states trending up. 12 states holding steady. Only three states reporting fewer new infections now compared to a week ago. You look at this. Here, three states setting single day records in their case count yesterday, North Dakota, New Mexico and Ohio. This is new cases versus last week. Three states setting new recods. Again, the president says the virus is on its heels. It is not. And sadly, the death trend. When you have a high case count, wait a couple weeks and this map changes, too. We have 23 states right now. You see 10 reporting 50 percent or more deaths this week compared to last week. That's the deep red. Orange means going up at a slower pace but still going up. 23 states in all reporting more coronavirus deaths now compared to one week ago. That is not going in the right direction. And you can just follow the red line here. You don't need to study deep into the data. Just follow the trends. Beginning of the summer surge, up we went, down we started to come, now we're heading back up again. And here's what all the public health experts worry about. If when we started at 18,000, 20,000 we got up above 60,000. What happens if we start at 40,000 and start heading back up? How high do you go? That's the question facing the country right now. Just shy of 60,000 new coronavirus infections reported yesterday. Watch that red trend line. It is pointing up. The reason it's going up is because of positivity rates. More people testing and coming back positive. 40 percent in Wyoming positivity rate, 32 percent in South Dakota, 22 percent in Idaho, 22 percent Wisconsin, 20 percent Iowa. Double digits, Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, Nevada. Double digits or higher, more cases today, more spread, more cases tomorrow. It plays out pretty simple. And then the hospitalizations. You get more cases. You're also seeing peak of the summer surge came down with hospitalizations now starting to trend back up this way. So, we are months away from a vaccine. Many people say so-called herd immunity. Just let this keep happening, eventually people will get enough exposed to it. Things will get better. Dr. Fauci says the let it rip strategy is reckless. FAUCI: There's about 30 percent of the population has underlying conditions that make them more susceptible to getting the adverse events and outcomes of serious disease with COVID-19. If you just let things rip and let the infection go, no masks, crowd, it doesn't make any difference, that quite frankly, George, is ridiculous, because what that will do is that there will be so many people in the community that you can't shelter, that you can't protect who are going to get sick and get serious consequences. KING: Joining me now, Josh Dawsey, White House reporter for "The Washington Post." Josh, great to see you on this day. You hear Dr. Fauci, you look at the numbers you don't have to be a medical expert to understand the case count is climbing and that a pretty steady pace right now. And yet, I was making the point if you look across Europe, the case count is climbing as well. Macron has spoken to the French people. Boris Johnson has spoken to the people of the United Kingdom. I believe we lost Josh Dawsey there. We'll see if we'll get him back. Angela Merkel has also spoken to the German people, but President Trump is doing rallies across the country right now. We'll come back to Josh Dawsey in that conversation a few moments ago. Let's shift until we get him back to some other news. The vice presidential nominee Senator Kamala Harris off the campaign trail temporarily. This after a key member of her staff tested positive for COVID-19, the coronavirus. CNN political correspondent MJ Lee joins us with that. So, MJ, the Democrats are saying this is a precaution. Is there any worry Senator Harris might have been exposed? MJ LEE, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, John, this is big news coming out of the Biden campaign, two people who recently travelled with Senator Harris tested positive for COVID-19 late last night. The two people first of all was her communications director, the second person being a non-staff member, a member of the flight crew. So, let me just walk everyone through what we know so far based on what the campaign has told us. We know that these two people were on a flight with Senator Harris on October 8th. And the campaign says that on this flight Senator Harris and both of those people were wearing N95 masks and the campaign also says that Harris did not have close contact with either of those two people, this is according to the CDC's definition of exposure -- potential exposure to COVID-19 and both of these people tested negative before and after the flight. What we're also told is that both of these people attended personal events some days after being on that flight with Senator Harris and then they returned and tested positive. Now, the campaign is also emphasizing that neither of those people had close contact with either Vice President Biden or Senator Harris 48 hours prior to testing positive. And it's important to note, too, that Senator Harris, according to the campaign last tested negative for COVID-19, this was a PCR test yesterday, and she's also going to get tested again today. Now, what does all of this mean in terms of Senator Harris and her campaign events? Well, out of an abundance of caution the campaign says she's going to be suspending all in-person travel through this Sunday. She's going to be participating just through virtual events and she's going to be heading back on the campaign trail next Monday. Remember, she was supposed to be in North Carolina today and those in- person events have been cancelled. And In terms of Vice President Biden and his schedule, you know one of the things that we asked the campaign on a press conference call this morning was whether there are now growing concerns, are there going to be changes that we see that the campaign make more broadly? And they essentially said, no, that they feel confident about the protocols and the precautions that the campaign has put in place and that they do feel like they can continue in-person campaigning through November 3rd. And that, of course, includes Vice President Biden participating in that ABC News town hall tonight in Philadelphia. John? KING: MJ Lee, appreciate the hustle on the live report there. Just more coronavirus disruption impacting the campaign. We'll keep an eye on that and see if Senator Harris does get back on the trail, soon. MJ, thanks so much. Let's bring back Josh Dawsey, White House reporter for "The Washington Post." Part of the coronavirus disruption is technology sometimes goes down. And Josh, the point I was trying to make is Prime Minister Johnson of the UK, President Macron of France, Chancellor Merkel in Germany, all of them talked to their people in recent days about the spiking cases across Europe. Some of them imposed restrictions, all of them have verged people to have personal responsibility. We do not get that. This president has not delivered and addressed the American people or walked into the Rose Garden to talk about the alarming rise in new infections instead he does his campaign rallies, packing people and he did a few moments ago, call into Fox Business to say this about coronavirus. Listen. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happens if you get a big spike in cases in the United States and cases are rising. What are you doing? TRUMP (via telephone): We're not doing any more lockdowns. And we're doing fine. We're not doing any shutdowns. We learned about the disease. Young people, 99.9 percent, right, are in great shape, strong immune systems, the younger the better, it's hard to believe. We're not doing any shutdowns. We learned about the disease, young people, 99.9 percent, right, are in great shape. Strong immune systems. The younger the better, it's hard to believe. KING: Josh, I get the president's position, you can say we're not going to do a lockdown, we're not going to a shutdown, but there are other things you can do. You can talk to people more carefully about please wear a mask, you can talk to businesses about please make sure your work sites are safe. The president says we're doing fine. We're not doing fine. JOHN DAWSEY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Sorry we got disconnected, John. But the president's hospitalization and hospitalization of so many of his advisers have actually taught him to be more defiant now that he has survived this virus and he is back at work. He's having these large mega rallies. A number of his surrogates and family members all over the country indoors and mask less events. The campaign and the White House has not really changed any of their rules or policies or tactics. What they're doing is you know continuing to say masks are encouraged at the White House but not everyone wears them. And they're campaigning totally differently. As you said earlier, you know Kamala Harris is down off the trail because one of her staffers had it. You're seeing spikes in cases across the country. The president though is not taking a more empathetic tone. You know I talked to a lot of folks in the White House and the campaign for the story we did today. Where they essentially said, we want the president to take a more empathetic tone. We want him to say we know senior citizens have suffered this. We know so many different people have suffered this. We're with you. We are trying to help you. Not this kind of more callus in the words of his critics' tone that he's showing right now. KING: Right. And I wish we hadn't had the technical disruption because I talked more about that piece. I encourage people to go online and read essentially making the point in these final days of the campaign. In some ways the president is doing exactly the opposite of what his campaign advisers think he should be doing on a number of fronts. Josh Dawsey appreciate the reporting and insights. Up next for us, Dr. Anthony Fauci gives a very important update on the timeline for a coronavirus vaccine.

COVID Surges, U.S. Adds 59,000 Plus Cases Wednesday; Sen. Harris Cancels North Carolina Event After Campaign Staffer Tests Positive for COVID-19

COVID Surges, USA fügt am Mittwoch 59.000 Plus-Fälle hinzu; Senator Harris sagt Veranstaltung in North Carolina ab, nachdem Mitarbeiter der Kampagne positiv auf COVID-19 getestet wurden

美国周三新增59000多例新冠病毒病例；竞选工作人员新冠检测呈阳性，参议员哈里斯随后取消了北卡罗莱纳州的活动

BURNETT: Tonight, President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden about to face voters in dueling town halls. Now the events are taking place on different networks but at the same time. So this was supposed to be the second night, I'm sorry, the night of their second debate. So we were all supposed to be able to watch them in one place, but now two separate places same time. It comes as we learned Biden's running mate, Sen. Harris, is now off the campaign trail after two people including her communications director tested positive for coronavirus. We're going to talk to both campaigns about this unprecedented and crucial night. I want to start with Democratic Congressman Cedric Richmond who is the national co-chair of the Biden campaign. Congressman Richmond, let me start with that news that I just shared. Sen. Harris suspending travel now until Sunday, she was going to be traveling in this window North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, all of them crucial states, we're 19 days away from election day. And obviously now with her communication director having coronavirus, how big of a concern is that and how much of a disadvantage is now having to stay home? REP. CEDRIC RICHMOND (D-LA): Well, look, the campaign is very nimble. And we've learned to campaign during these different times that we're in. And look, Sen. Harris is fine. We're praying for her, but we're praying for all of the families that have suffered a loss because of coronavirus, lost wages, or have been infected themselves. But I will tell you this, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, they care more about the American people. They care about the janitors that clean up the auditoriums after they have an event. They care about the people who are there waiting on them. And so they're going to make sure they follow the doctor's orders and not even take a chance on contracting it but also passing it along to others because this is about us, not just Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. BURNETT: So Biden and Trump are getting ready moments away here from these town halls. It's fair to assume because they're on at the same time, that you're going to Biden supporters watching Biden, Trump supporters watching Trump, that this is maybe perhaps more of a set of turnout town halls than it is trying to sway the miniscule number of undecided Americans. Who is Biden trying to reach tonight? RICHMOND: Well, I think the Vice President is making his closing argument that it's the incompetence of the Trump administration that caused us to lose over 215,000 people, for over 7 million people to be infected, almost 40 million people to have to file unemployment claims. For us to go through this pain as a country, it's because of his incompetence and he is the first president in 90 years to lose jobs on his watch. Barack Obama and Joe Biden created 16 million jobs. Donald Trump lost 4 million and he claims that he's directing a great economy. It's just not true. So you'll hear facts from Joe Biden, you'll hear lies from Donald Trump on another network. BURNETT: So the Supreme Court is going to be one of the topics, I'm sure. Now, President Trump has suggested, again, that Biden would pack the courts with liberal judges if he's elected. And Biden has dodged this question. He said, he's not a fan of court packing, but he has not come out and said what he will do. He's not announced his position, he said until after the election to the great dismay of many on the left of your party. Is that enough for people who are voting right now? RICHMOND: Yes, it's enough. He has not dodged the question. What he has said is he's not going to answer the question and I think that that is a difference. But if you're talking about court packing, court packing is when you rush through unqualified judges, 50 judges on the circuit court and you put not one African-American on the circuit court and all of a sudden you want to pretend that you care about poor people, minorities, because you're not showing those people what you do. And so without showing that you respect black intellectual capacity, then you can't tell us that you also care about our welfare. And so look, we will answer that question at the appropriate time. But the real thing is, we should not confirm a justice with 19 days to go before an election and I believe the majority of the people in the country agree with that position. BURNETT: Congressman, thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it. RICHMOND: Thank you for having me. BURNETT: And I want to turn now Tim Murtaugh. He is Communications Director for the Trump campaign. And Tim, I appreciate you coming back on. So I just want to start with Chris Christie. TIM MURTAUGH, TRUMP CAMPAIGN COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR: It's good to be on. BURNETT: So he comes out with this statement after seven days in the ICU. He says he was wrong not to wear a mask at the Amy Coney Barrett announcement and debate prep sessions. Very clear he said I was wrong. I was wrong. He says, "I believed when I entered the White House grounds, that I had entered a safe zone, due to the testing that I and many others underwent every day. I was wrong. I was wrong not to wear a mask at the Amy Coney Barrett announcement and I was wrong not to wear a mask at my multiple debate prep sessions with the President and the rest of the team." We have heard no such thing, of course, from the President of the United States. Why? What do you say to Christie? MURTAUGH: First, I'll answer that question just one second, I want to bring your attention to something that Congressman Richmond just said where he said that Joe Biden hasn't dodged the question about court packing. He just hasn't answered it, which is ridiculous. And he also misdefined court packing. Court packing is when you add more justices to the court to expand the size of the court. BURNETT: Yes. MURTAUGH: To pre guarantee outcomes of future cases. I just want to be clear that Congressman Richmond gave the wrong definition of court packing. BURNETT: Yes, that is the definition of the term. Yes. MURTAUGH: OK, thanks. So the President has always made clear that people should wear masks. He has said that it is patriotic to wear a mask. He also has said that it's very important that people take precautions and be safe. But he also doesn't want us to get to a point in this country where we go back to another society wide shutdown like Joe Biden said that he would consider if he were president. BURNETT: If the scientists recommended it. MURTAUGH: Another thing that's important to bring up in all this and the President has recommended it as well. The another thing to get to that's very important here is that the President is on a record pace with all of the scientists that are involved with this and the FDA in producing this life-saving vaccine. In record time, this is going to save millions of American lives when it is safely and effectively distributed to Americans, hundreds of millions of doses. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have spent a lot of time trying to scare people away from the vaccine. Their anti-vaccine rhetoric is actually very reckless and is playing politics with people's lives. BURNETT: Well, Sen. Harris did say early in the debate, she'd be the first to line up to take it Dr. Fauci said to take it. MURTAUGH: Yes, but in the next breath they attack the President and they say, but if Donald Trump had the vaccine then I wouldn't take it. That is a very clever way of saying both things at once but leaving doubt in people's mind. They're playing politics with the vaccine there's no way to avoid that. BURNETT: And part of the reason that exist, let me just ask, Tim, because it comes back to what Christie had to say and also Ben Sasse today. It comes back to how the President has led on this, Christie goes on to say, "I believe we have not treated Americans as adults, who understand truth, sacrifice and responsibility that I know them to be." Ben Sasse on a call with thousands of constituents says, "Of the President of the United States, I don't think the way he's led through COVID has been reasonable or responsible or right." This is pretty damning because it's coming from your own party and Chris Christie was in the debate room with the President. There's no one who has been more central to his debate prep his reelection than Christie. MURTAUGH: Treating Americans as adults is exactly the President's approach, Erin. The President wants people to be safe, to wear masks, to socially distance, to use hand sanitizer, to wash their hands all the time. But we also know that people in this country have the right to make their own choices, absolutely. We also know that Joe Biden to this day cannot say that he would do anything differently than President Trump has done in fighting the coronavirus except for the loan thing that we know that Joe Biden would not have restricted travel from China as President Trump did at the end of January and that saved thousands of American lives. And we know that Joe Biden would not have done that and if Joe Biden had been president in January, we as a country would be in far worse position today than we actually are and it is thanks to President Trump's leadership. BURNETT: Tim? MURTAUGH: Remember, the initial estimates were over 2 million people dead. The President has led on this issue. He has marshaled the private sector and the federal government. He has done an admirable job and we know Joe Biden has done nothing but sit on the sidelines and make it into one big political issue. BURNETT: Tim, I will just say one thing and I understand you got to play the card your hands you dealt here. But to say that the President encourages people to wear masks and says it's patriotic because he said at one time. MURTAUGH: Well, he does. BURNETT: When he comes out of the hospital, walks up the steps to the White House and rips his mask off. When Chris Christie gets to the hospital after seven days in the ICU, he says, "I was wrong. I learned ... MURTAUGH: See, again, when do you want to pay attention to CDC guidelines, Erin? BURNETT: to say that those two things are not in stark contrast ... MURTAUGH: The President was outside on a balcony, outside on a balcony, those CDC guidelines don't have any restrictions on wearing a mask outside when you're standing on your own balcony. And also the President wants to send the message to the American people we're in the fight, yes. BURNETT: He had coronavirus. He had the eyes of the world on him. MURTAUGH: He has ... BURNETT: Tim, you can talk over me all you want, this is one of these objective things that what he did at that moment was awful. And it was inappropriate and it was irresponsible. MURTAUGH: No. BURNETT: And that is why people like Chris Christie and Ben Sasse say what they say, period. MURTAUGH: Erin, Erin, the President personifies this fight against the coronavirus. He personifies it. He has firsthand personal experience with it. BURNETT: His personification is that he did not wear a mask. MURTAUGH: He is telling the American people that we will not be beaten by the coronavirus, that's his message. We will not be beaten, we will fight this. BURNETT: Well, thousand more people died today. MURTAUGH: And we will not be driven back in our basements by it. BURNETT: Thousand more people died today. OK. Thank you, Tim. And next, former President Obama has a new message tonight for the early voters who are turning out in droves and waiting hours to cast their ballots. John King is at the magic wall. And a stunning attack against the President by a Republican senator. SASSE: His family has treated the presidency like a business opportunity. He's flirted with white supremacists.

Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-LA) Discusses About the Biden-Harris Campaign; Trump & Biden About to Take Part in Dueling Town Halls; Kamala Harris off the Trail After Aide Test Positive

Abgeordneter Cedric Richmond (D-LA) bespricht die Biden-Harris-Kampagne; Trump & Biden nehmen an Duell im Rathaus teil; Kamala Harris ist nach dem positiven Test eines Mitarbeiters nicht mehr im Rennen

众议员塞德里克·里士满（民主党-路易斯安那州）谈论拜登-哈里斯的竞选；特朗普和拜登即将参加市政厅的决战；卡马拉·哈里斯在助手测试呈阳性后退出

BLITZER: United States isn't the only country dealing with a second wave of the coronavirus, cases are also surging right now across Europe forcing leaders to tighten restrictions big time. Let's begin with CNN's Phil black he's joining us from London right now. So Phil, what are you seeing over there? PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, tough new restrictions on people's personal lives are set to kick in here from Saturday. It will be illegal for people from different households to spend time together. Indoors so no hanging out in bars, restaurants, cafes, even homes making it much harder for people to maintain and draw support from some of their most important relationships it will still be possible to socialize outside in groups of up to six but that's going to become less practical as the winter deepens. London's Mayor Sadiq Khan says there's no choice but to implement these restrictions. Because it is now clear he says the virus is spreading rapidly in all parts of the capital, Wolf. BLITZER: Phil Black in London. Thank you. New restrictions meanwhile, going into effect this weekend in hardest cities across France right now CNN's Melissa Bell is there. Melissa, tell us more. MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wolf here in France, the system of curfews announced by the French President yesterday on television, eight French cities plus the greater Parisian region will see a curfew from 9:00 p.m. until 6:00 a.m. from this Saturday. Also from Saturday, this country enters a state of sanitary emergency which really gives local authorities a great deal of power. If they need to enforce fresh restrictions should they prove necessary for the time being? The figures have been growing with several records set over the course of the last week, Wolf. BLITZER: Well, all right Melissa, Melissa Bell in France for us. Meanwhile, a dramatic new surge in cases across Italy is producing some of the worst numbers of the entire pandemic. CNN's Ben Wedeman is in Rome for us. Ben what's the latest there? BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, for the second day in a row, Italy is recording record high increases in the number of COVID-19 cases, numbers far higher than we're seeing at the height of the lockdown earlier this year. Now most of the cases or rather the largest number of cases are in the Lombardy region in the north of the country, which was hardest hit by the pandemic earlier this year. What's different at this time, is that the number of cases reported in Campania where Naples is located in the southern part of the country are dramatic, far higher than in the past. And this is an area that doesn't have the resources to deal with COVID-19. And also has Italy's highest population densities. Also worrying is the fact that the death toll reported Thursday is almost twice that from the day before. Wolf? BLITZER: All right, Ben, thank you, Ben Wedeman in Rome. Coming up, details of a federal investigation into a suspected foreign link to President Trump's 2016 campaign cash. It's a CNN exclusive. Plus, the President claiming his town hall later tonight is a quote setup. We'll be right back.

Tough New Restrictions On Indoor Gathering In Britain

Strenge neue Beschränkungen für Versammlungen in Innenräumen in Großbritannien

英国对室内聚会的严格新限制

KIM BRUNHUBER, CNN ANCHOR: Hello and welcome to you, our viewers joining us in the United States, Canada and all around the world. I'm Kim Brunhuber and you're watching CNN NEWSROOM. Just ahead, the candidates vying for the U.S. presidency appearing in separate town halls. Each setting a very different tone. So, we'll get you caught up on the key moments. Also, this hour, a worrying glimpse into what the coming months could look like with COVID cases hit highs in states across the U.S. And defiance as cases surge in Europe. Local leaders in one city are rejecting strict new measures by the Prime Minister. On the night when Joe Biden and Donald Trump were supposed to share the same stage for their second debate, the two presidential candidates instead held competing town halls on rival television networks at the same time. You'll see the sharp contrast between them for yourself in just a moment. For Biden, the format was familiar territory, to talk policy, although sometimes he avoided straight answers. When the event was over, he stayed to talk with voters off camera, and in contrast, that with the President. President Trump was much more combative, his responses to pointed questions about the pandemic, white supremacy, conspiracy theories and other issues were largely defensive and peppered with falsehoods. Now if voters were hoping to find out what President Trump plans to do if he wins a second term, they were probably disappointed. We get more from CNN's Jim Acosta in Miami. JIM ACOSTA, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: The voters did not get a lot of straight answers from President Trump during that town hall that took the place of a presidential debate with Joe Biden. Given multiple opportunities to denounce the false conspiracy theory QAnon, the President evaded the question and simply would not say what he thought about the group. Here is more of what he had to say. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.: I know nothing about it. I do know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard. But I know nothing about it. SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, NBC ANCHOR: They believe it is a satanic cult run by the deep states. TRUMP: If you like me to study the subject -- I tell you what I do know about. I know about Antifa, I know about the radical left. I know how violent they are and how vicious they are, and I know how they are burning down cities run by Democrats, not run by Republicans. GUTHRIE: Republican Senator Ben Sasse said, quote, QAnon is nuts and real leaders call conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories. TRUMP: He may be right. GUTHRIE: Why not just say it's crazy and not true? TRUMP: Can I be honest: He may be right. I just don't know about QAnon. GUTHRIE: You do know. TRUMP: I don't know. No, I don't know. ACOSTA: And the President also gave evasive answers on health care, abortion, even his own personal income taxes. But perhaps the biggest missed opportunity of the night for the voters was when the President would not say when his last negative coronavirus test was, leaving open the possibility that he walked into that last presidential debate with Joe Biden potentially symptomatic for COVID-19. Jim Acosta, CNN, Miami. BRUNHUBER: Biden faced plenty of tough questions in Philadelphia in a town hall moderated by George Stephanopoulos of ABC News. As we mentioned, the former vice president stuck around after the event to keep talking with voters. And while his responses were heavy on policy, there were a few times he chose to dodge, rather than give a straight answer. CNN's Arlette Saenz reports. ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Over the course of a 90- minute town hall here in Philadelphia, Joe Biden faced a range of questions, from how to handle the coronavirus pandemic to the economy and even his support for the 1994 Crime Bill. This was a heavily policy-focused discussion, as he faced questions from a mix of undecided voters and people who've already made up their minds about supporting Biden or Trump. And one of the most noteworthy exchanges came during a discussion about the issue of court packing. Joe Biden has deflected when asked about adding more justices to the Supreme Court for weeks now. And he offered a bit more of a detailed answer in this town hall. Take a listen. JOE BIDEN, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm not a fan. I then say it depends on how this turns out. I am open to considering what happens from that point on. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ANCHOR, ABC NEWS: You know, you said so many times during the campaign, all through the course of your career, it is important to level -- BIDEN: It is, but George, if I say -- no matter what answer I gave you, if I say it, that is the headline tomorrow. It won't be about what is going on now. The improper way they are proceeding. STEPHANOPOULOS: But don't voters have a right to know where you stand? BIDEN: They do have a right to know where I stand. They have a right to know where I stand before they vote. STEPHANOPOULOS: So, you will come out with a clear position before Election Day? BIDEN: Yes. SAENZ: So Biden there not completely ruling out the possibility of adding more justices to the Supreme Court, saying he wants to see how the nomination with Amy Coney Barrett moves forward and will give voters a bit more of an answer, closer to Election Day. Now Biden also criticized President Trump for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic. And he was asked about a coronavirus vaccine, whether it should be mandated. Biden said that there should be a discussion about making it mandatory but acknowledged that there could be legal issues with actually implementing that. But overall, Biden stayed very policy focused as he was presenting his agenda for a Biden administration, offering a contrast to the President, without the President even being on that stage. Now on Friday, Joe Biden is heading to Michigan, where he will have two stops in that critical battleground state as early voting is underway and he is trying to get people to head out and vote. Back to you. BRUNHUBER: After the town hall, Biden's running mate, California Senator Kamala Harris spoke with CNN. When asked about adding justices to the Supreme Court, she argued that Republicans have been packing the court for years under President Trump. SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA) U.S. VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I think that Joe Biden has been consistent on saying this is not the time right now to have this discussion. I'm sorry but I can't have a conversation about court packing around something that has not even happened yet, which is who is going to be the next president without dealing with what they've been doing for the last few years. BRUNHUBER: Harris cancelled travel plans after two people linked to the campaign tested positive for COVID-19. She and her husband both tested negative Thursday. Well, at their town halls, both candidates were asked about their personal COVID testing regimens. Their answers Biden just showed how different the two men are. Biden confirmed daily testing and described the test he usually takes. Mr. Trump wouldn't give specific details and he refused to say whether he had taken a test before the first presidential debate days before he was hospitalized with the virus. GUTHRIE: Did you take a test on the day of the debate, I guess, is the bottom line. TRUMP: Probably did and I took a test the day before and the before and I was always in great shape. And I was in great shape for the debate. GUTHRIE: Do you take a test every single day? TRUMP: No, no, but I take a lot of tests. GUTHRIE: OK. And you don't know if you took a test the day of the debate? TRUMP: Possibly I did, possibly I didn't. BIDEN: By the way, before I came up here, I took another test. I've been taking it every day and the deep test. You know BRUNHUBER: So, as we heard in Jim Acosta's report, President Trump refused during his town hall in Miami to denounce the group QAnon, which the FBI calls a domestic terror threat. So last hour, I spoke with this about Leslie Vinjamuri of Chatham House in London. Take a listen. LESLIE VINJAMURI, HEAD, U.S. AND THE AMERICAS PROGRAMME, CHATHAM HOUSE: The words of the president speak miles to those who are listening and for QAnon and for permission. So, yes, it's certainly a distraction for him if he's trying to get that 5 percent of the electorate that hasn't fully decided who they intent to vote for. If he's trying to persuade them that this is a president who will ensure security and safety in America streets, then I think that that's a distraction. But it's far more potentially damaging and destabilizing, because it sends a signal to certain groups that they -- that the President is granting them permission to remain active. BRUNHUBER: All right, let's turn to Biden, now. Why this sort of waffly middle ground of not taking a firm position on court packing until later? VINJAMURI: Yes, this has been very interesting. And we saw also the vice-presidential nominee, Kamala Harris, in the debates with Mike Pence, also deflect this question. They've clearly wanted to watch and see the hearings for Amy Coney Barrett to judge the public sentiment, to see how critically the Senate will move towards a confirmation. All of these are critical questions. But you know, what we did hear last night is that there will be that Vice President Biden will make a decision before those debates -- before the election. So, there is a commitment. But it is true that they haven't wanted to very clearly say what their position yet, is. And this is a very important, very important issue, obviously, for Democratic Party voters, very important issue for Trump's base. America is very polarized. They feel very passionately about social issues in very different ways. And the Supreme Court is the lightning rod for that social division in America. BRUNHUBER: Absolutely. Well there's no question looking at them that of the two town halls, I guess, the president got the greater grilling from the moderator. We saw the Trump campaign tweet about it after. It's all they were talking about on Fox, that and Hunter Biden, I guess, so. Will his supporters see this town hall as the real debate? The debate Trump is engaged with every day a debate, not against Biden, but against the left-wing press intent on destroying him. This, you know, watching this would just confirm everything that they knew, that the establishment is against him, and maybe it'll further encourage them to rally the wagons? VINJAMURI: I -- you know, I think that that is beyond a shadow of a doubt. That is the narrative has really taken hold for several years now. It's not new that the President hasn't been given a fair platform, that he has been attacked by the media. We've seen this -- I don't think it's going to change anything to do with the turnout or voting. It might drive more people to be sure that they vote for -- remember, that we are on track for a record turnout in the United States. David Wassermann of the Cook Political Report is anticipating between 150 and 160 million Americans will turn out to vote. That's one up from 137 million in 2016. So, people are already passionate. They are passionate on both sides. But absolutely, his supporters will see him as being attacked again. It will drive turnout. And a lot of what's happening right now on both sides of that aisle is about ensuring that people stand in those very, very long lines, that they mail-in their ballots, that they exercise their right to vote. It's incredibly important, but it's also important for the candidates to ensure that people do turn out and vote. Because remember, as I said before, there's only about 5 percent of the electorate that haven't made up their minds. For most people, it's just about ensuring that they do actually vote. BRUNHUBER: And our thanks to Leslie Vinjamuri for her analysis there. U.S. coronavirus cases are definitely headed in the wrong direction. Since Sunday, 21 states have hit their peak 7-day average of the new cases since the pandemic began, and now an influential model predicts there could be more than 390,000 virus deaths in the country by February, and that's slightly lower than the previous forecast. But the harsh reality is in just over three months, as many as 170,000 more Americans could be dead. CNN's Nick Watt has more from Los Angeles. RICARDO AGUIRRE, LOST BUSINESS AND SEVERAL FAMILY MEMBERS TO COVID-19: I feel very incompetent. NICK WATT, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This virus destroyed Ricardo Aguirre's business. It killed eight family members, including his father. AGUIRRE: We did everything together. WATT: And nearly 60,000 new COVID-19 infections across America yesterday, highest tally in a couple of months. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is now unconscionable, this late into the outbreak. WATT: The Atlanta Falcons won't practice today after a positive test, and perhaps the biggest name in college sports is now COVID positive. NICK SABAN, UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA HEAD FOOTBALL COACH: I'm feel fine. I felt fine. I was very surprised, you know, by this. WATT: These are the nationwide daily case counts. Bad in the spring, worse in the summer, rising again, and rising fast, a call to arms in NYC, our one-time epicenter. MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO (D) NEW YORK CITY: Simple as this crucial week. This is the week to stop the second wave. WATT: This week, 21 states logged their highest average daily case counts ever. GOV. JARED POLIS (D) COLORADO: We've got get these numbers down. And if this trend continues, our hospital capacity will be in jeopardy. WATT: In just a week, the number of COVID-19 patients in the hospitals in Indiana jumped 25 percent, in Ohio, 28 percent, in Delaware, 30 percent, in Minnesota, 32 percent, in Wisconsin, more COVID-19 patients in the hospital now than ever. DR. ASHOK RAI, PRESIDENT AND CEO, PREVEA HEALTH: If there is a major car accident today in Green Bay, between all of the hospitals, we wouldn't be able to take care of it. WATT: But advisers to our president reportedly promoting herd immunity AKA let it rip. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: I think that we just got to that square in the eye and say it's nonsense. MARIA VAN KERKHOVE, W.H.O. HEALTH EMERGENCIES PROGRAM: It leads to unnecessary cases and at least to unnecessary deaths. WATT: What might have been? New Zealand, a small island nation, granted, but 25 deaths total. Why? Quick action, real border closures, and nationwide lockdown, strong test and trace, this, according to a new study, in the Lancet. Here, cases are rising, temperatures are falling. Some say the first wave never ended. Here comes the second. So, Thanksgiving? FAUCI: You may have to bite the bullet and sacrifice that social gathering. WATT (on camera): Before the Thanksgiving holiday here in the U.S., of course, it is Halloween. And Beverly Hills now one of the first cities in the country to ban trick or treating. And they say they will not be out there hunting for kids wearing costumes. But if you are caught trick or treating or caught giving candy to a stranger, you may get a 100-dollar fine. Nick Watt, CNN, Los Angeles. BRUNHUBER: Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is revealing just how seriously ill he was with coronavirus, and he's warning people to take the virus very seriously. In a statement released on Thursday, Christie said he was in intensive care for seven days. His statement referred to the Supreme Court nominating event he attended last month at the White House. It read in part, I believed that when I entered the White House grounds that I had entered a safe zone due to the testing that I and many others underwent every day. I was wrong. I hope my experience shows my fellow citizens that you should follow CDC guidelines and wear a mask to protect yourself and others. A second coronavirus waver is bringing infection rates not seen before in this pandemic. Coming up, we'll go live to several cities in Europe to find out how severe it's getting, and new restrictions taken to fight it. And Washington is split on an economic stimulus plan even as millions of Americans struggle during the pandemic. We'll look at what the government is doing to help them and what's standing in the way. Stay with us.

Stark Contrast Between Biden and Trump Town Halls; Trump Evades Straight Answers in Combative Town Hall; Biden Goes Heavy on Policy at Town Hall in Philadelphia; Trump on QAnon: "I Know Nothing About It"; Biden Promises Clarity Before Election Day on Court Packing; U.S. Reports Nearly 60,000 New COVID-19 Cases; Washington Deadlocked on New Virus Relief Measures.

Starker Kontrast zwischen den Rathäusern von Biden und Trump; Trump weicht direkten Antworten in einem kämpferischen Rathaus aus; Biden geht in seinem Rathaus in Philadelphia stark auf die Politik ein; Trump über QAnon: \"Ich weiß nichts darüber\"; Biden verspricht Klarheit vor dem Wahltag über die Besetzung von Gerichtshöfen; Die USA melden fast 60.000 neue COVID-19-Fälle; Washington ist in Bezug auf neue Maßnahmen zur Bekämpfung des Virus festgefahren.

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Overnight, nearly 64,000 new coronavirus cases were reported. That's the highest total in two months. At least nine states are reporting the most new cases in a single day ever. CNN's Adrienne Broaddus is live in Wisconsin with more. What's the situation on the ground, Adrienne? ADRIENNE BROADDUS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Alisyn, good morning. The numbers in Wisconsin are high and rapidly increasing. And experts say the fall wave they were dreading is already here. BROADDUS (voice over): n unseizing (ph) surge of new coronavirus cases. On Thursday, more than 63,000 new coronavirus cases reported in the U.S., the highest daily figure in more than two months. DR. RICHARD BESSER, FORMER ACTING DIRECTOR, CDC: Each region of the nation is also seeing an increase in the number of hospitalizations. And that is what you see before you see an increase in the number of deaths. BROADDUS: New record numbers of patients admitted to the hospital in at least seven states, the Midwest leading this concerning new trend. Wisconsin, on Thursday, saw more than 3,700 cases, a new record for the state. The test positivity rate standing at over 21 percent. Kentucky also seeing a spike in hospitalizations, reporting 738 patients in hospitals Thursday. GOV. ANDY BESHEAR (D-KY): Everybody ought to be doing the right thing. And those that are out there that try to confront you for wearing a mask or being a jerk, they're putting your health at risk. BROADDUS: And in Missouri, more than 1,400 hospitalizations reported for the third day in a row. Meanwhile, a new study released by the World Health Organization concluded that the antiviral drug Remdesivir had little or no effect on mortality and patients in the hospital with COVID. The WHO described the conclusions as conclusive and disappointing. Remdesivir has Emergency Use Authorization for coronavirus in the United States and President Trump received it while he was treated at Walter Reed Medical Center. And rising outrage from many medical experts on the White House's view of herd immunity. The idea that letting the virus spread throughout the country with the goal of infecting a large percentage of the population in hopes of gaining immunity will end the pandemic. DR. PAUL OFFIT, DIRECTOR, VACCINE EDUCATION CENTER AT CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL OF PHILADELPHIA: We eliminated measles from this country by vaccination by the year 2000. Small pox was only eliminated by vaccination, even though that, too, is a much more highly contagious disease, and that, too, induces lifelong immunity. So the notion of community immunity by natural infection is made up. It's never happened. BROADDUS: And despite the concern about the number of cases here in Wisconsin, President Trump is expected to come to Janesville, Wisconsin, for a rally on Saturday. This as his task force is recommending people stick to measures like wearing a mask, social distancing, or risk preventable deaths. Alisyn. CAMEROTA: Adrienne, thank you very much for all of that reporting. So if you've been wondering what Rudy Giuliani has been up to for the past year or so, well, "The Washington Post" has new reporting on how Giuliani was targeted by Russian intelligence to give President Trump disinformation. We have the details, next.

Nearly 64,000 New Coronavirus Cases

Fast 64.000 neue Coronavirus-Fälle

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No second presidential debate. Instead, dueling town halls. JIM ACOSTA, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: The voters did not get a lot of straight answers from President Trump. SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, HOST, NBC'S "TODAY": Did you take a test on the day of the debate, bottom line? DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I probably did. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: It's just decency to be able to determine whether or not you are clear. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nearly 60,000 new COVID-19 infections across America yesterday. UNIDENTIFIED MALE; As we enter the cooler season of the fall, you don't want to be in that compromised position. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is now unconscionable this late into the outbreak. ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman. ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and all around the world. This is NEW DAY. It is Friday, October 16, 6 a.m. here in New York. The stark differences between Joe Biden and President Trump were on display last night in dueling town halls. If viewers could switch back and forth, they saw the contrast in tone and substance on key issues like the pandemic. Biden did more of a deep dive into issues like taxes and criminal justice reform. President Trump sparred more with the moderator, refusing to denounce this fringe conspiracy that the FBI calls a domestic terror threat, and passing on the opportunity to reject their offensive claims about the killing of Osama bin Laden. The president also admits that he may not have taken a coronavirus test before the first debate. And he claimed the science is still out on masks, despite the near-universal view that it is one of the best weapons we have to get the pandemic under control. BERMAN: Yes. You know, it's quite a thing when the president goes on national TV and praises the group the FBI says is likely to motivate domestic extremists. It's quite a thing when the president goes on TV to specifically spread misinformation about masks, when wearing masks could save 100,000 lives by February. Quite a thing when the U.S. is clearly, clearly now facing this new phase of the coronavirus crisis. You can argue whether it's a second wave or a third wave. Either one, the very danger we have all been warned about for fall and winter, it is here. Nearly 64,000 new coronavirus cases were reported overnight. That's the highest total in two months. Look at the curve. At least nine states are reporting the most new cases in one day ever. Right now, seven states are seeing record hospitalizations, and if there's one thing we know, more hospitalizations leads to more deaths. So that is the backdrop, as we go to the White House right now. Joe Johns is there. Two town halls, Joe, but one message from one president, a message that could cost Americans their lives. JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: John, that's true. These dueling town halls really summed up the state of the race. We had that dangerous misinformation from the president about wearing masks. We had news about his own experience with coronavirus. And then there were the conspiracy theories. All of this raising questions about whether the president did himself any favors at all by backing out of that debate with Joe Biden. JOHNS (voice-over): President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden faced off in dueling town halls, scheduled after Trump refused to participate in a virtual debate following his coronavirus diagnosis, a topic he tried to avoid, like when asked whether he was tested the day of the first debate. TRUMP: If you ask the doctor, they'll give you a perfect answer. GUTHRIE: Yes. TRUMP: But you take a test, and I leave and go about your business. GUTHRIE: Did you take a test on the day of the debate, I guess, is the bottom line? TRUMP: I probably did, and I took a test the day before and the day before. JOHNS: Trump in Miami also downplaying the Rose Garden event that may have infected him, White House staff members and others. TRUMP: Well, they do a lot of testing in the White House. They test everybody, including me. But they test everybody. I tell people wear masks, but just the other day they came out with a statement that 85 percent of the people that wear masks catch it. JOHNS: Meanwhile in Philadelphia, Biden slammed Trump's handling of the pandemic. BIDEN: He missed enormous opportunities and kept saying things that weren't true. It's all going to go away like a miracle. He's still saying those things. JOHNS: The Democratic nominee also criticized Trump's messaging as harmful to the coronavirus response. BIDEN: The words of a president matter. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely. BIDEN: No matter whether they're good, bad, or indifferent, they matter. And when a president doesn't wear a mask or makes fun of folks like me when I was wearing a mask for a long time, then you know, people say, Well, it mustn't be that important. JOHNS: For most of the night, Trump was combative, including when pressed on his refusal to condemn white supremacy in the first debate. TRUMP: I denounced white supremacy, OK? GUTHRIE: You did, two days later. TRUMP: I denounced white supremacy for years. But you always do it. You always start off with a question. GUTHRIE: Well -- TRUMP: You didn't ask Joe Biden whether or not he denounces Antifa. JOHNS: This time around, the president declined to condemn QAnon conspiracy theories. TRUMP: I know nothing about QAnon. GUTHRIE: I just told you. TRUMP: I know very little. You told me, but what you tell me doesn't necessarily make it fact. I hate to say that. I know nothing about it. I do know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard. But I know nothing about it. GUTHRIE: They believe it is a satanic cult run by the DNC. TRUMP: If you'd like me to study the subject. I'll tell you what I know about. I know about Antifa, and I know about the radical left, and I know how violent they are. JOHNS: Biden mostly provided long answers, laying out his policy plans and said this about his involvement in a crime bill as a senator. GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS: Was it a mistake to support it? BIDEN: Yes, it was. But here's where the mistake came. The mistake came in terms of what the states did locally. JOHNS: The former VP dodged a question about whether he's looking to expand the Supreme Court in the wake of Senate Republicans' move to rush the confirmation of Judge Amy Coney Barrett. STEPHANOPOULOS: But don't voters have a right to know where you stand? BIDEN: They do have a right to know where I stand. And they'll have a right to know where I stand before I vote. STEPHANOPOULOS: So you'll come out with a clear position before election day? BIDEN: Yes, depending on how they handle this. JOHNS: Trump did little to deny "The New York Times" reporting about his tax returns. GUTHRIE: Are you confirming that, yes, you do owe some $400 million? TRUMP: What I'm saying is that it's a tiny percentage of my net worth. When you look at vast properties like I have. And they're big, and they're beautiful, and they're well-located. When you look at that, the amount of money -- $400 million is a peanut. JOHNS: When asked what a Biden loss would mean for the country, the former vice president said this. BIDEN: Well, it could say that I'm a lousy candidate and I didn't do a good job, but I think, I hope that it doesn't say that we are as racially, ethnically, and religiously at odds with one another as it appears the president wants us to be. JOHNS: The president wakes up today at his Doral resort outside Miami. He's got a couple more campaign stops in Florida. Then it's on to Macon, Georgia, for another rally. The president late in the race continuing to try to shore up support at a time when millions of Americans have already voted -- John. BERMAN: All right. Joe Johns at the White House. Joe, thank you very much for that. Joining us now, CNN national political reporter Maeve Reston. And CNN political commentator, Errol Louis. He's the political anchor of Spectrum News. Friends, look, when a president of the United States praises a group that the FBI says can motivate domestic terror; when a president of the United States throws shade on masks, which all kinds of people say could save 100,000 lives by February, it's hard to step back and take a bigger view than that. It's hard to say there are other headlines. But Maeve, I want you to try. I mean, you -- you wrote an in-depth analysis of these two events last night. And if you were an alien and teleported to earth last night and were able to watch both events at the same time and process what the biggest takeaway was, what would you say? MAEVE RESTON, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think it showed voters exactly what they were choosing between in this November election. I mean, you had serious whiplash if you were going back and forth between the two events, but that was largely because, you know, President Trump, every time he gets into one of these settings, it's immediately contentious, because he interrupts. He interjects. He threads his answers with inaccuracies and mistruths. And so it created this really contentious dynamic with Savannah Guthrie, who did a great job of cutting him off, fact checking him in the moment. And -- and so it felt like this high-speed, rapid-fire back and forth in that event, which is the kind of volcanic energy that Trump creates that many voters are so tired of. They're exhausted by those kinds of tactics that he takes. Whereas if you switched over to the Biden event, it really showed you, you know, since in this moment, he wasn't having to deal with, like, the Trump effect of cutting him off, he would pause. He would give, you know, a long and sometimes winding answer. But showed that he was trying to be thoughtful and connect with the questioner. And I think that, you know, some people tuning into that, particularly independents who have been turned off by Trump's style, might say, OK, maybe I'd rather have the next four years look like this than continue listening to, you know, what Trump does on a daily basis, John. CAMEROTA: And Errol, before we get to the medical implications of all of this, if you were an alien just getting out of your spaceship, would you understand what QAnon was and why the president seems to buy their conspiracy theories? ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, if I were an alien, I'd look at both town halls and see them pretty much the way I saw them last night, which -- which is that there's one person who seems to be desperate, kind of throwing these "hail Mary" passes, desperately trying to change the conversation and refusing to answer very direct questions, including around QAnon. The notion that this -- this conspiracy theory, which has been written about, which has been identified as a domestic terrorist threat, that the president of the United States doesn't know anything about it. I mean, this is -- it is shocking. Just as John said. Any other day you'd say, how is it that the president doesn't know about something that his own FBI has identified as a terrorist threat? And so, you know, you've got somebody in the form of President Trump, who doesn't appear to act like an incumbent. He's running, in many ways, against his own government. He's misusing health statistics. He's kind of denouncing or distancing himself from the FBI's findings. He's running against reality to a great extent, because plain facts that are put before him such as, You owe $400 million to somebody, who is that somebody? And he kind of talks all around it. I mean, you know, this -- this is not something that lends a sense of comfort. It was one thing to run as a chaos candidate four years ago, around issues that, frankly, were either not that important, like Hillary's e-mails, or were kind of off in the distance, like, are you going to build a wall? Now we're running against reality. And these are hard realities that are affecting lots of people's lives, like mass unemployment and like mass death. And chaos doesn't appear to work. I mean, it's very jarring to see it on a small screen like that. BERMAN: Playing against mass death. On that note, also with us, CNN medical analyst Dr. Jonathan Reiner. He's a professor of medicine at George Washington University and the cardiologist for former Vice President Dick Cheney. Dr. Reiner, it looks like we caught you, you know, on the way to the O.R. There are models that project that, if all of us wore masks, it could save 100,000 lives by the winter. That's a lot. That's a lot of lives saved. Dr. Fauci's practically begging us to wear masks all the time. Yet the president goes on TV, did it at a rally yesterday -- and I just couldn't believe that he did it in this town hall setting, in this town hall forum, and threw shade at the idea of wearing masks. I actually don't want to play the sound, because it's misleading. It will mislead the American people. Misrepresenting a study, the president did last night. What was your takeaway? DR. JONATHAN REINER, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Disgraceful. You know, the president misrepresented a study to try and suggest that somehow masks don't work or that most of the people who got the virus were wearing masks. He completely misrepresented it. We've known since very early on in this pandemic that this is an airborne virus; that it's incredibly contagious; and that it's lethal. And we've had a recommendation since April 3 that all Americans should wear masks. Yet, this president has consistently undercut it. He -- he told the public that he would not wear a mask in the office. He told the public that he didn't need to wear a mask to protect other people, because he was tested every day. That turns out to be a lie. He prevented the U.S. Postal Service from sending masks to every American, which would have saved, again, tens of thousands of lives. There was a recent story that suggested that the CDC wanted to require masks on all modes of public transit in the United States. The White House blocked -- blocked that. I have no idea why they took the 180-degree wrong side of this issue, but the net result is probably the deaths -- the unneeded death now of maybe 150,000 people and 100,000 people going forward before the end of the year. CAMEROTA: And Dr. Reiner, I just want to stick with you, because we're luckily keeping Maeve and Errol for our next segment, but Chris Christie has had a come-to-Jesus about masks because of his scare with COVID. You know, he was sicker than we knew. We didn't know much about it, other than that he was in the hospital. It turns out he was in the ICU. And now when he came out, here's what he said: "I believe that, when I entered the White House grounds, that I had entered a safe zone due to the testing that I and many others underwent every day. I was wrong. I was wrong to not wear a mask at the Amy Coney Barrett announcement, and I was wrong not to wear a mask at my multiple debate prep sessions with the president and the rest of the team." I mean, he just couldn't say it any more clearly. REINER: Right. I think he was both humbled by his illness, and a lot of patients are humbled by being in the ICU for seven days. Just being in the ICU for one day -- he was there for seven days, and I'm sure at some point, he wasn't sure which way it was going to go. And he sounded angry also. He sounded angry that he sort of had been deceived about the safety of being at the White House and their -- and their protocol for protecting people there. But I was glad to see his statement. I thought it was -- he did a public service by urging the public to wear masks and to do the right thing. And this is the statement that all of us had hoped the president would have made at any time this year, particularly after his recent illness. Imagine if the president had made that similar statement live, you know, from Walter Reed, urging America to mask up. We'd be on our way to a different place right now. But he's not -- he's not the person to do that. So I was glad to see Governor Christie do that. I think it was the right thing to do. BERMAN: Dr. Reiner, we appreciate you being with us. And I just want to tell people, again, this is happening in the context of more new cases reported in one day than we have seen in two months. It is just crystal-clear. I don't know whether it's a second wave or a third wave, but we are in this new wave of the pandemic right now, where things are getting worse by the day. And this is what you and other doctors have warned us about for so long. So Dr. Reiner, we'll let you get back to work saving lives, and we'll see you again very soon. Errol, Maeve, stick around. We have a lot more to discuss. The high points, the low points, the major news from these town halls, next. CAMEROTA: If you had a hard time switching back and forth last night, flipping channels between both town halls, don't worry. We've got all of the highlights covered for you. And we're back with Maeve Reston and Errol Louis, whose job it was to flip back and forth and analyze. So Maeve, let's talk about the Biden town hall. He's really struggling with this court-packing question, which seems like it should be an easier question than he's making it. He's building in this tease that nobody can quite figure out what the strategy is, but here's this moment. BIDEN: I'm not a fan. I didn't say -- it depends on how this turns out. I'm open to considering what happens from that point on. STEPHANOPOULOS: You know, you've said so many times during the campaign, all through the course of your career, it's important to level with the American people. BIDEN: It is. But George, if I -- if I say, no matter what answer I gave you, if I say it, that's the headline tomorrow. It won't be about what's going on now, the improper way they're proceeding. STEPHANOPOULOS: But don't voters have a right to know where you stand? BIDEN: They do have a right to know where I stand, and they'll have a right to know where I stand when I they vote. STEPHANOPOULOS: So you'll come out with a clear answer before election day? BIDEN: Yes. CAMEROTA: Maeve, I'm so confused. His non-answer is a headline, it turns out. RESTON: Totally. CAMEROTA: So -- so what do we take from that? RESTON: Well, I think it was funny how he -- he actually kind of, like, said his strategy out loud or why he couldn't say it right now, is because he didn't want to basically distract from the other headlines of the night, which would be Trump's response to the pandemic or, you know, wild conspiracy theories. You know, whatever Joe Biden was expecting Trump to do in that. But it was such a dodge. And one that he keeps making, even though in the past, during his career, he said, you know, at various points that he doesn't think that court packing is -- is a good thing to do. But he can't, right now, alienate those voters, you know, on the far left, who are so angry about the Barrett nomination and the passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and the way this has all been handled. And so he keeps making this dodge. And so I guess it gives him, like, another week or so before he actually has to answer the question. And as we know, you know, some 17 million people have cast their ballots already. So -- but it just came off as dodgy, Alisyn. BERMAN: You know, actually, if he had been giving this answer for the last three weeks, it wouldn't be the predicament it is for the Biden campaign. I think he gave more of an answer last night, which is, it depends on what we see out of the Republicans in the Senate. The new thing last night that complicates things for him is he told the American people that he will give a definitive answer -- RESTON: Right. BERMAN: -- before election day. But it was interesting. You're right. It was interesting to see the sort of mental evolution of it all right there. Errol -- and I don't know if we have this sound. Joe Johns played it at the end of his piece. It has to do -- both candidates were asked about what happens if you don't win the election. President Trump gave the same kind of mealy-mouthed answer about the peaceful transfer of power. Ultimately, he sort of half said he would accept it, even though he didn't really. And Joe Biden had a different approach to the idea of what it would mean and how he would handle it if he lost. Listen. BIDEN: Well, you could say that I'm a lousy candidate, and I didn't do a good job. But I think, I hope that it doesn't say that we are as racially, ethnically, and religiously at odds with one another as it appears the president wants us to be. BERMAN: One of the things that was interesting there is that was humility, which is something that we don't see that much in politics, it seems. LOUIS: Well, it's been absent from -- from the White House for the last four years, for sure. Joe Biden often tells little self-deprecating jokes, and he did it in last night's town hall meeting, and he did it a little bit, really, even in that answer. But that larger question, that goes directly to his brand. It also helps explain, by the way, why Joe Biden doesn't necessarily want to throw any kind of radical proposals into the mix when it comes to changing U.S. institutions like the Supreme Court. The Joe Biden brand, his value proposition, his argument to the voters in these closing weeks, is that he wants to bring the country together. That he wants to give us some relief from some of the chaos we've seen over the last four years. And it cuts against that argument to -- to sort of jump out there and say, We're going to do this and we're going to do that. And there was also, by the way, John, a little bit of sadness there, I think. This notion, as he thought about it and tried to process the question, you know, what if this is what the country wants? What if what the country wants is a lot of strange and wrong information coming from their commander in chief, vague and disturbing answers about conspiracy theories and terrorist threats? Unanswered questions about foreign influence in our democracy? I mean, you know, there is something that I think that, you know, you talk to your Democratic friends. A lot of them, I think, in the end, are a little bit scared that, you know what? Maybe this is where we're going. Maybe this is where the country ends up. That's what I heard Joe Biden saying, and of course, he's offering himself as an answer. And if the polls are right, it seems like a lot of Americans do agree with him. BERMAN: You know, it's interesting, though. You had the Biden campaign manager stressing -- stressing yesterday that they think this race is a lot closer than the polls may be showing. CAMEROTA: I look forward to asking Symone Sanders about that later in the program. But I also think that, to Errol's point, that Joe Biden's style, because it can sound halting, and because we're not used to sort of a thoughtful beat, you know, taking a thoughtful few beats of, like, what would that mean for the country. It -- it's -- it was just -- it was interesting on many levels, to hear him -- to hear how he answered that. Errol, Maeve, thank both very much. RESTON: Thank you. LOUIS: Thank you. CAMEROTA: There's nearly 64,000 new coronavirus cases reported in the U.S. overnight. The governor of New Mexico says it's the most serious emergency the state has ever faced. We have an update on the crisis, next. CAMEROTA: Overnight, nearly 64,000 new coronavirus cases were reported. That's the highest total in two months. At least nine states are reporting the most.

Trump & Biden Spar in Dueling, Distant Town Halls.

Trump und Biden duellieren sich in Rathäusern aus der Ferne.

特朗普和拜登在遥远的市政厅决战。

WHITFIELD: All right. With 17 days until election day, more than 20 million Americans have already cast their ballots and looking at some of the early turnout numbers, Georgia seeing an increase of more than 62 percent in in-person early voting over 2016's numbers. North Carolina up 10 percent. Illinois, up a whopping 400 percent. And Tennessee seeing an increase of 91 percent. CNN's Natasha Chen joining us from Marietta, a suburb north of Atlanta where early voters began lining up before dawn on this Saturday. Natasha, what are you seeing and hearing from people? CHEN: Right. Fred, the first person who got here this morning said he got here at 4:30 a.m. But the doors didn't open until 8:00. So that's how people felt about getting here early, knowing that they might have a long wait. And if you look at the Cobb County Web site right now, it says that the wait here at this location is 180 minutes. So people here were prepared. They brought food, they brought lawn chairs in some cases. And we're hearing enthusiasm from people who felt it was extremely important for them to show up and vote in person early. And we actually met a first-time voter here -- if you can introduce yourself again. You're 18, correct? ZHIHAO DONG (ph), FIRST TIME VOTER IN GEORGIA: Yes. Hi, my name is Zhihao (ph) and I'm 18 years old and I'm here to vote. CHEN: Yes, tell me why about you decided to vote in person early. DONG: I believe that it is important for me to vote because I was born in this country and I want to show that I care about this country. I don't want the country to go into ruin, just like letting people do whatever they want And the current administration, I feel like they're not doing like enough to, like, support what the people in this country are wanting and needing. So I hope for a change like in the administration, a change in like policymaking by like law enforcements and stuff like that. That's what I really hope for. CHEN: Great. When did you turn 18? DONG: I turned 18 like two months ago. CHEN: Two months ago, ok. So just before the general election. Were you excited to know that you could participate in this election? DONG: Yes, I was -- yes, I was excited, especially like when they came to my school saying do you want to register to vote. I was like, wow, I get to vote in this election, yes. CHEN: And be part of something very historic here. Thank you so much. And of course, we're hearing from other young voters as well in line today saying that they showed up because their top issues are how this administration has responded to the coronavirus pandemic and to issues of police brutality, Fred. WHITFIELD: All right. Natasha Chen, thank you so much, in Marietta, Georgia. WHITFIELD: All right. We now know the topics for the second and last debate between President Trump and Joe Biden. Along with how they each would fight COVID-19, the candidates will be asked about American families, climate change, national security, leadership, and race in America. To help us understand the issues communities of color want tackled, I want to bring in Melanie Campbell, president of the National Coalition on Black Civic Participation and Domingo Garcia, president of the League of United Latin American Citizens. Good to see both of you. MELANIE CAMPBELL, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL COALITION ON BLACK CIVIC PARTICIPATION: Thank you. Good to be here. DOMINGO GARCIA, PRESIDENT, LEAGUE OF UNITED LATIN AMERICAN CITIZENS: Good morning. WHITFIELD: Wonderful. Melanie, what do you want to hear from these candidates in this next and final debate as it relates to race in America? CAMPBELL: Thank you for that question, Fredricka. We just released our Black Women's Round Table and ISOS (ph) poll on what black women want. The number one issue across generations is we want the president to address structural and systemic racism in this country. The other thing that is of grave concern, issues around voting rights and voter suppression, and COVID-19 to have a plan to eradicate this pandemic. And I'm recovering from it myself. I had a rough time with being impacted by COVID-19. And so I know personally how important it is as well. And so those are some of the top-line issues that are of concern for black women. It's about survival, it's about safety. Those are the top concerns. This is something we've done for the past six years and racism has been number one in hate crimes for the last three years. WHITFIELD: I'm glad you're doing well after, you know, going through COVID. CAMPBELL: Yes. WHITFIELD: How worried about you about your potential pre-existing conditions that might impact your health care coverage upcoming? CAMPBELL: Well, you know, it's something that's on my mind. I fought for affordable health care and helped fight for passage of what they call Obamacare. And so I'm on the other side of this equation now as someone who is living through COVID-19, with a lot of uncertainties, of course. But I think for this country we need to just thank health care workers. Having been through this, you know, I was in ICU for two weeks and knowing what these health care workers do every day. They take their lives in their own hands, showing up every day to help those of us who are struggling through it. And we need to do the right thing when it comes to that. The Heroes Act is one of those things that needs to get passed in the senate. WHITFIELD: Domingo, what do you want to hear from these candidates in this next and final debate? GARCIA: Well, you know, the impact of COVID-19 on the Latino community and the African-American community has been devastating. In Texas, 54 percent of the fatalities have been Latinos and we're seeing hospitalizations also in those numbers. What are they going to do with that racial disparity that COVID has opened up in terms of terms of the inequalities health care, in economics. The economic impact of this where mom and pop shops that are the lifeblood of the barrios and the communities throughout the United States -- they're not being helped by the Care Act. What are you going to do to help Jose, Maria on Main Street there in San Antonio or in Miami or New York or Dallas or L.A.? Those are things that are really important. And are you going to stop the division. Are you going to stop turning Latinos into political pinatas, to beat up and to divide and pit Americans versus Americans or are you going to unite all Americans to work for the American dream? WHITFIELD: And Domingo, you mentioned Texas, you know, San Antonio -- I mean Texas in the throes of, you know, arguments over is voter suppression happening right now, if you've got in Harris County a gigantic, you know, county, where there are disputes over, you know, drop boxes, the removal of one, whether there should be many. You know, what are your concerns about whether voter suppression is keeping some ballots from making it into the ballot boxes this year? GARCIA: Unfortunately, in Texas and in the South, you know, voter suppression is real, it's ugly, it's un-American. Here we had to file a lawsuit -- LULAC filed against the state of Texas when they reduced from 14 voting locations where you get seniors, who are the most at risk, could drop off their absentee ballots. And the governor of Texas, a Republican, Governor Abbott reduced it to one. The same as WHITFIELD: So Melanie, you mentioned, you know, the concern about the ongoing wealth gap, you know, in America concerning people of color, black people specifically, and white America. And you know actor and rapper Ice Cube is taking some heat for his proposal of a contract for black America and his approach to both the Trump camp and the Joe Biden camp. And he says he wants to work with whoever is in power. This is how he addressed the issue last night. ICE CUBE, RAPPER: I'm going to whoever is in power and I'm going to speak to them about our problems, specifically I'm not going there talking about minorities, I'm not going there to talk about people of color or diversity or none of that stuff. I'm going there for black Americans, the ones who are the descendants of slaves. And that's what I'm going to talk to anybody who is in power with that. So if anybody got a problem with that, it seems like a personal problem. WHITFIELD: So Melanie, what do you think? There are people who have expressed they have a problem with it, particularly because of the timing and that it looks like the Trump administration is using him, seizing upon this opportunity to appeal to black Americans. CAMPBELL: Well, what I would say is I think there's an assumption that no one else is doing that and that's not the case. So that's a little bit ill-informed. He has a right to do anything he wants to do representing himself, but many of us are very focused, very laser-focused on focusing on black Americans when it comes to issues around civil rights and social justice, economic justice and opportunities. We are very much active when it comes to that. I've never not thought that I would go meet with whoever gets elected. That's not a new message. Sometimes folks are new in getting involved and that's ok, too. But do your homework so you know what else is going on. There are a lot of black agendas out there. They're not monolithic people when it comes to economic justice and opportunity, it's not a new thing for folks to fight for that. But it is to be able to be informed about what's going on. We pushed the agenda on all the candidates. We did a poll -- we did a poll earlier on in the year, we sent all of the candidates, Republicans and Democrats, back in January to tell us what you're going to do for black people, specifically black women, because we are the ones who drive the black vote. We vote more than anybody. And when there's a large black voter turnout, it's because black women showed up. I can tell you who did not respond to that questionnaire, and that was the current president of the White House, President Donald Trump. But all of the several other Republican candidates responded, as well as Democrats within the current Democratic Party, Joe Biden. WHITFIELD: Ok. And Domingo, quickly do you have any thoughts on particularly the timing, you know, of this effort of Ice Cube reaching out to these camps and this is now a point of discussion just 17 days ahead of election? Well, you know, we're seeing that both candidates are reaching out to Latinos and blacks. I would hope that it would happen year-round, not just during election time. And the fact of the matter there's some very important issues regarding immigration reform, freeing those kids in the cages, issuing the economic development, that help that we need for the mom and pop shops that are the lifeblood of minority communities and those need to be addressed. Whether that is President Trump or vice president Biden. And they need to be able invest in the community (ph) because a lot of people are hurting out here and they need help. CAMPBELL: Yes. WHITFIELD: All right. Domingo Garcia, Melanie Campbell -- thanks to both of you. Really appreciate it. CAMPBELL: Thank you. GARCIA: Thank you. WHITFIELD: And this quick programming note, she was Ronald Reagan's strongest supporter, his sharpest negotiator and his life-long protector. "FIRST LADIES" examines the life of Nancy Reagan tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. on CNN.

Early Voting Turnout; Final Presidential Debate Topics

Die Wahlteiligung von der vorfristigen Stimmabgaben; Letzte Themen der Präsidentschaftsdebatte

提前投票率；最后总统竞选辩论主题

CABRERA: Welcome back. Live pictures right now out of Michigan, the president holding his rally there despite the state seeing a concerning surge in coronavirus cases. He just took the podium, and we'll be listening in. But last hour, the state reported nearly 1,800 new cases today alone following a record day yesterday. And Doug Brinkley is a CNN Presidential Historian, Mark McKinnon is the co-Host of the Showtime Show, The Circus, also served as the campaign advisor for both President George W. Bush and John McCain, and they join us now. Thanks for being with us, guys. Mark, let me start with you, because the president wants this image of enthusiastic supporters, these voters who are out there. Maybe he thinks it will have a snowball effect, everyone wants to be a part of it, but are these big rallies actually helping him? Are undecided voters actually attending these rallies or being swayed by them, do you think? MARK MCKINNON, CO-HOST, THE CIRCUS: Well, here is the big problem, Ana. The worst thing for Donald Trump in this election is for it to be a referendum on his handling of the COVID crisis. He doesn't want that to be the election. He wants it to be a choice between him and Joe Biden on any other issue but COVID. And what's happening now is he's going back into these states and he's going back into states that particularly are having spiking problems with COVID, like Wisconsin, like Michigan. So, I mean, just as you've been reporting today, and certainly every station in Michigan and Wisconsin that are covering these rallies, they're not going to cover the rally and not mention what's happening with COVID, and also probably looking at the crowds and noting that a lot of people are not wearing masks or socially distancing. So I'd say it's like the worst of all possible worlds that he's going out, doing these rallies, doing it in states where COVID is peaking. CABRERA: Douglas, Biden, meanwhile, has no events today. He does have an event in North Carolina tomorrow. But, today, he's sending out surrogates, Elizabeth Warren to Wisconsin, Magic Johnson to Michigan. What does this tell you, and is it surprising Biden's not on the trail himself today? DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, CNN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: A little bit surprising. But, by and large, this election, as Mark was intimating, really is about COVID-19, and Donald Trump is betting that he is going to be able to win on saying, I'm the unmasked man, meaning people have been, you know, in quarantine or in their homes for months and months and months, and he's saying, if you elect Joe Biden, he'll -- it will be everybody back to the basement. I'm up there, I'm alive, I'm going to do well, and so it's odd. I mean, he actually feels that promoting unsafe standards, going to rallies without masks or social distancing, is going to work to his benefit because of COVID-19 fatigue. Biden is shown to kind of have a steady course of just being able to -- you can imagine that he would deal with the scientists in a way that Trump didn't. Remember, climate change, burning wildfires, Donald Trump says climate change is a hoax. And more and more, he's leading his supporters to think the novel coronavirus was a greatly exaggerated medical crisis. That's the way he's playing it. CABRERA: We see the president defending state -- in states where he won in 2016. That's where he's campaigning. Meantime, you know, the polls also showing him trailing in some of these states nationally. Biden has been ahead consistently for some time, Mark, and yet Biden's campaign manager sent out a memo to supporters saying, in part, quote, we cannot become complacent because the very searing truth is that Donald Trump can still win this race and every indication we have shows that this thing is going to come down to the wire. So, is this an expected sort of reverse pep talk, warning supporters not to let up, not to be complacent, or is this race really closer than we may know? MCKINNON: Well, you know, the Democrats, smartly, have PTSD from 2016 when everybody heard that they were ahead then. It's the absolute maxim of politics that you always run like you're ten points down, even if you're ten points up. LBJ did that, as you recall, when polls were published that showed that he was not only going to win but win big, but the polls showed that, they published in newspapers, and the Johnson campaign rightly realized that that would make their voters complacent because they would have the notion, this thing is in the bag, why do I need to vote. And that's why they made the infamous daisy ad to scare the hell out of people, to say, if you don't vote, Barry Goldwater is going to get elected and have his finger on the nuclear button. So it's a smart play by the Biden campaign to be clear to say this thing is tight, tight, tight and just repeat that message right up through the election. CABRERA: Doug, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan, who is a moderate Republican, has been outspoken as a critic against President Trump at times. He wrote in Ronald Reagan on his ballot this year, saying he could not vote for Trump and he told The Washington Post, I know it's simply symbolic, it's not going to change the outcome in my state, but I thought it was important to just cast a vote that showed the kind of person I'd like to see in office. Doug, your reaction to that. BRINKLEY: I think if Donald Trump loses that you'll see the Republican Party go back to saying, we're the party of Ronald Reagan. You know, Reagan has been kind of downplayed by Donald Trump. He was really the golden person of the Republican Party and suddenly he seems second tier. But without Donald Trump, and you're seeing Senator Sasse doing the same thing, basically reclaiming the rebranded Republican Party for 2021 as a conservative party of Ronald Reagan. But wasting your vote like he's doing and bragging about it, I don't find what Hogan did all that impressive. CABRERA: Douglas Brinkley and Mark McKinnon, thanks, gentlemen, for being here. Hats off to you two. Good to have you here. All right, after a chaotic first debate, a presidential health crisis, a controversial debate cancellation, a competing town hall, Joe Biden and Donald Trump will face off one last time. It's the final presidential debate coming up with special live coverage starting Thursday and that's Thursday night at 7:00 Eastern here on CNN. This just in, an update on stimulus talks. CNN just learning Senate Republicans will hold a vote on a standalone payroll protection program bill on Tuesday in a separate $500 billion stimulus bill on Wednesday. Now, this is the same $500 billion Democrats blocked last month after arguing it didn't go far enough. Instead, Democrats are pushing for a stimulus bill worth more than $2 trillion. It's unclear whether enough Democrats will change their votes this time around to advance either bill. We are told, however, that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin are planning to speak on the phone later this evening. Coming up, with President Trump's campaign schedule showing no signs of slowing down, just how vulnerable are the people without masks at his rallies? We ask CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta to check the data. His report, next.

Trump Goes On Rally Blitz As 10 States Break COVID-19 Records; How Vulnerable Are The Maskless Crowds At Trump Rallies?

Trump geht auf Blitzkundgebungen, während 10 Staaten COVID-19-Rekorde brechen; Wie verwundbar sind die maskenlosen Massen bei Trumps Kundgebungen?

在十个洲打破新冠疫情记录的情况下，特朗普参与竞选集会闪电战；特朗普集会上的不戴口罩的人群有多脆弱？

ROBYN CURNOW, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Hi, welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world. Thanks for joining me. I'm Robyn Curnow. Coming up on the show, the U.S. president on the campaign trail visiting states with huge spikes of coronavirus cases but he doesn't mention it. Also, COVID cases on the rise in north of England, with new restrictions recommended but the mayor of Manchester is pushing back. That is not sitting well with the prime minister. Thousands of women march across the U.S. protesting President Trump and his Supreme Court nominee. But will their message be heard? CURNOW: Ten U.S. states reported on Friday the highest number of new COVID cases ever. That figure coming from Johns Hopkins University. One of those states is Wisconsin, where the president held a campaign rally on Saturday. As you can see here, he had one the same day in Michigan as well, which is also breaking COVID case records. Instead of mentioning these alarming new, figures the president criticized the state's governor for how she is handling the pandemic. We will just play you a little bit of that. TRUMP: Get your schools open. The schools have to be open. Right? TRUMP: Lock them all up. CURNOW: So those are the chants that you just heard over Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer, the same governor who was the target of an alleged kidnapping plot earlier on this month. She says this is exactly the kind of rhetoric that is putting her, her family and other officials in harm's way. She says it is just one of the ways Mr. Trump is trying to fire up his base, trailing by double digits in the polls and the election is just 16 days away. And the president did not focus much on the surge in cases in Wisconsin during his campaign rally there. He instead he promoted what he called his successes during the pandemic, as Jeremy Diamond now explains. Jeremy? JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: President Trump is now losing to Joe Biden, according to recent polls, by an average of 7 points. So the president campaigning here in Janesville, Wisconsin, trying to win back some support. Talking about his support for law enforcement in particular, speaking in this town of Janesville, Wisconsin, which is 60 miles from Kenosha, Wisconsin, where, of course, a Black man, Jacob Blake, was shot by police. After that, of course, there were protests and some unrest which the president has amplified and talked about. But what he didn't talk about here is the surge here in Wisconsin of coronavirus cases happening in the state. Wisconsin is experiencing one of the worst surges in the country at the moment. Hospitalizations have tripled over the last month. And the state of Wisconsin experienced a record number of cases just the day before the president came here to Janesville to campaign. Now the White House's Coronavirus Task Force itself has warned about these types of events that the president hosted here. It wrote in its weekly report about the state of Wisconsin, saying, "Wisconsin's ability to limit further and avoid increases in hospitalizations and deaths will depend on increased observation of social distancing mitigation measures by the community until cases decline. "Lack of compliance with these measures will lead to preventable deaths." And so that is what is so startling is to see the White House Coronavirus Task Force say essentially that these very same events that the president is holding with thousands of people, packed closely together, no social distancing, very few people wearing masks, will lead to preventable deaths. Yet the president of the United States continues to hold these events. In fact, he has pledged to hold very similar events to the one we saw here in Janesville, Wisconsin, over the next few weeks, leading up to Election Day. Once a day, multiple times a day perhaps, in order to try to save his chances at reelection -- Jeremy Diamond, CNN, in Janesville, Wisconsin. CURNOW: Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden is not resting on his favorable polling numbers. CURNOW: The latest CNN poll shows him ahead 53 percent to the president's 42 percent but Biden's campaign manager is urging supporters to stay enthused and to fight as if they're trailing. "We cannot become complacent because the very searing truth is that Donald Trump can still win this race and every indication we have shows that this thing is going to come down to the wire." Jason Carroll tells us, now where Mr. Biden is focusing. Next Jason? JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: As expected, the campaign putting much of its time, resources and energy in the battleground states. And states that are doing early in-person voting, we're seeing some of those same images coming out of places like North Carolina. For his part, Vice President Joe Biden will be in Durham, North Carolina, today, speaking to voters, telling them to be patient and to get out there and vote. Senator Kamala Harris will be doing the same in Florida on Monday; should be making two stops there. Biden not out on the campaign trail on Saturday, neither was Harris. Biden met with advisers from his campaign on Saturday; Harris, a couple of people in her orbit have tested positive For COVID-19. So they physically took her off the campaign trail for a couple of days. She did test negative for COVID-19 on Saturday. So looking ahead, again, you've got Biden; he's going to be in North Carolina today. You've got Senator Harris in Florida; she will be there on Monday. Jill Biden will be in Pennsylvania on Monday, she will be in Michigan on Tuesday. But Wednesday is the big day. That is the day that former President Barack Obama will be out there campaigning for Biden. He'll be doing that in Philadelphia. And a number of Democrats are saying that, if there's one surrogate you want out there stumping for you, that would be the one. CURNOW: So joining me now from Oxford, England, is Thomas Gift, director of the UCL Center on U.S. Politics. Thomas, hi. Lovely to see you. So a key point has come out of the last sort of few hours is that the Biden team has been warning voters not to be complacent. Where do you think they see their vulnerabilities? THOMAS GIFT, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE, UNIVERSITY COLLEGE LONDON: Robyn, Biden's team has been warning about complacency for quite a while. That does come with the territory of having a sizeable lead. Concern for Democrats is that if enough voter feel like a Biden win is a foregone conclusion, some may decide to stay home on November 3rd. Simultaneously, Biden is warning against complacency and it may reflect that he's also worried about an enthusiasm gap. Even if Trump trails by 8-10 points, there are arguably more Republicans who excited about casting their ballot, than there are Democrats who are excited about voting for Biden. So it becomes a turnout game. Clearly Biden doesn't excite the liberal base as much as another candidate might from the Democratic primaries. So it still goes back to the challenge that we talked about in the spring, about coalescing the progressive and moderate wings of the party. CURNOW: So what do you make then of this early voting? Certainly, it speaks to enthusiasm, potentially Democratic enthusiasm. But you rightfully mentioned enthusiasm on the other side with the Republicans. That is what massive turnout is about. It's about everybody coming out. What do you think is the message in that? What is the sign posting? GIFT: All indications are that there will be a record number of mail- in ballots this year. Of course the participation of mail-in balloting is highly polarized by party. Many more Biden supporters are expected to cast their ballots through mail than Trump voters because of how the parties have framed the pandemic, with Trump downplaying the risk of voting in person and suggesting without evidence that mail in balloting could be susceptible to widespread fraud. But there's no doubt that mail-in ballots will be pivotal in swing states, which adds another layer of complexity. Both are making predictions about who might win on Election Night and how Trump might respond if the election ends up decided by a razor-thin margin. And it's worth pointing out that "The Washington Post" pointed out that in the primaries, half a million mail-in ballots across 23 states were disqualified for technical reasons. So worst-case scenario, if that becomes a 2020 version of hanging chads, we can only predict what the fallout might be from that. CURNOW: And that was going to be my next question. How likely a scenario is it that this election is decided in the Supreme Court? Mr. Trump said that he wouldn't mind if it goes that way. But do you think that that is an option that is certainly motivating the Biden campaign? GIFT: Well, it's a great question, Robyn, because lots of people are speculating about this. GIFT: And in any year, I think the chances that an election gets decided by the court, like in Bush v. Gore, is limited. Still it's not an impossibility and both sides will be lawyered up if the election results are close. That's especially the case this year because the election logistics are so much more complex than anything we've seen in the past, with this overwhelming number of mail-in ballots because of the pandemic. One of the reasons Trump said he wanted Amy Coney Barrett confirmed before November 3rd is that she would be eligible to cast a vote in any case that might come before SCOTUS. Obviously, when we saw the Supreme Court render a verdict in Bush v. Gore, that was divisive. But the country is at a whole new level of polarization now. So if this election does get adjudicated by the court system, it could impose even more severe strains on America's social and political fabric. CURNOW: Yes, I think you are so right there. So if we talk about where this election is going to be adjudicated, let's go down to the states. Where do you think the key battleground moments are going to be? Many seem to be in play like Texas or in Georgia but where do you think this is going to land up in terms of a swing location? GIFT: Well, the consensus is that Trump's path to victory is narrower than Biden's. Trump's best chance in 2020 is to essentially duplicate the success he had in 2016 where he was able to narrowly edge out Clinton in just about every battleground state, Pennsylvania, Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, North Carolina, you name it. The problem is that some of these states are looking if not out of reach for Trump, definitely uphill battles for him this year. Case in point, I will point out is Pennsylvania. That's my home state. And it's where both candidates have been spending considerable time. According to 538, most polls have Biden with about a 5- to 8-point lead there. It's really a microcosm of this ostensible shift away from Trump, not just among moderates and suburbs, in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, but a number of small towns in the central part of the state, where voters have been hit by unemployment and also face other challenges associated with coronavirus. CURNOW: Yes, and we've also seen white suburban women in Pennsylvania peeling away from the president in record numbers as well. So it's going to be interesting. It certainly is a microcosm of a state. 2 weeks to go until that election, it is certainly a generational one. Thomas Gift, great to speak to you, live from Oxford, thanks for your expertise and analysis. GIFT: Thanks, Robyn. CURNOW: The threat of coronavirus isn't stopping women's rights activists from mobilizing all over the U.S. Saturday's Women's March drew thousands of protesters in Washington and other major cities, voicing opposition to President Trump's Supreme Court pick and also encouraging women to vote. Suzanne Malveaux has more. SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN U.S. CORRESPONDENT: The pink hats are back as thousands of women gather here on the National Mall at the Women's March. I covered back in 2017 when there were 5 million people who participated throughout the country, 200,000 in D.C. It is largely different and smaller because of COVID-19. That is the way they want it. But they got the several thousand women that have the energy and the passion. They want voters to come out. They said 43 percent of those eligible to vote back in 2016 did so. They want to get those numbers up. We are looking here, just in the back earlier, the rally began at Freedom Plaza and went to the U.S. Capitol and then to the Supreme Court. Here at the National Mall, this is where they are headed to text upon (ph). They want to text 5 million people, reach 5 million voters, female voters, many of them new, to encourage them to vote this time around. They say it is that important, it is that critical. They are talking about fighting for reproductive rights, climate change, racial equality among many of the causes I had a chance to talk to. Many of the participants. Here is just a sampling of what they are concerned about. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, I quarantined just to be able to go to this. But I only go out to go to the grocery store, that's all. I haven't seen my grandchildren. I haven't seen my children. So it is just -- the whole country is just horrible. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Women are being demeaned even worse right now, especially since that we are in a time where everything is tumultuous, the world is pretty much spinning in opposite directions, no matter whether it's Black Lives Matter, whether it's women's rights. It's all connected in some way, shape or another. MALVEAUX: The priority of the marchers is to slow down the process of replacing the late justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court, not to rush it through but to wait for the next president to be elected. That was her dying wish. That is something that they want the White House and Congress to be clear on -- Suzanne Malveaux, CNN, Washington. CURNOW: So the deadly coronavirus is surging again in the U.S. as we have been saying and experts say it could get much, much worse this time. That is because the virus has now spread pretty much everywhere. We'll show you how and where. Next.

Biden Leads In Polls, Warns Against Complacency

Biden führt in Umfragen, warnt vor Selbstzufriedenheit

拜登在民调中领先，警告不要自满

CURNOW: There's a new surge of COVID-19 cases in the U.S. Experts say it can be dramatically worse compared to spring or summer and here's why. The virus has made it to every region and not one of them seems to be safe. So take a look at this map. U.S. reported almost 70,000 new infections just on Friday. The most since July 29th, using data from Johns Hopkins University. That brings the total number of U.S. cases to over 8.1 million. That comes as 10 states reported their highest number of new COVID cases on Friday. As the weather cools in the U.S., COVID numbers are expected to rise even further, as Evan McMorris-Santoro now reports. EVAN MCMORRIS-SANTORO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Public health officials in the United States are sounding the alarm as cases rise across the country and winter swiftly approaches. As you can see from this graphic, 10 states across the country recently reported their highest single-day total of new COVID cases since the pandemic began. Now Dr. Anthony Fauci warns that more states are showing bad numbers and things can get a lot worse. DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: You can't enter into the cool months of the fall and the cold months of the winter with a high community infection baseline. And looking at the map and seeing the heat map, how it lights up with test positivity that is in more than 30-plus states, it is going in the wrong direction. It's still not too late to vigorously apply good public health measures. And again I emphasize, without necessarily shutting down the country. MCMORRIS-SANTORO: What Dr. Fauci is saying is that people need to realize the things that kept the virus in check in the spring are also important for the winter. A diligent adherence to social distancing rules and mask requirements. Without it, Fauci says, America could be in for a very tough winter -- Evan McMorris-Santoro, CNN, New York. CURNOW: And European governments are also scrambling to stop a second and more severe wave. New cases are sweeping the continent as this map shows. If the country is shaded red and orange, the virus numbers are really, really going the wrong way. Now the U.K. just recorded another 150 deaths in the past 24 hours. CURNOW: And its leaders are feeling the pressure. The mayor of Manchester is pushing again back against prime minister Boris Johnson who's considering tougher restrictions. And in Germany, the country had 7,800 new cases on Saturday, a new record. One German governor warned the nation is in danger of losing control in some areas. And then in Italy, which was one of the hardest hit nations at the start of this, there were almost 11,000 new infections reported on Friday through Saturday which is a new daily high there. So with coronavirus on the rise in northern England, the prime minister Boris Johnson is calling the situation grave, yet the prime minister and the mayor of Manchester are at loggerheads over imposing additional restrictions. For more on that, I want to bring in Salma Abdelaziz, in Manchester. Tell us why the folks in Manchester are pushing back at Westminster. SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN PRODUCER: This is essentially for the mayor of Manchester and his government a risk versus reward calculation. They say the risk to businesses shutting down under this 3 tier system is not worth the reward in terms of the number of infections that would be brought down. They argue a nationwide lockdown would be more effective in bringing case numbers and would provide more of an economic package for. Businesses. Of course the prime minister disagrees. Take a look at how this dispute has played out. ABDELAZIZ (voice-over): An ordinary act of defiance from the mayor of Manchester, Andy Burnham. ANDY BURNHAM, MANCHESTER MAYOR: We've unanimously opposed the government's plans for tier 3. They are flawed and unfair. ABDELAZIZ (voice-over): The city now faces an ultimatum from prime minister Boris Johnson. BORIS JOHNSON, U.K. PRIME MINISTER: If agreement cannot be reached, I will need to intervene. ABDELAZIZ (voice-over): Downing Street implemented a 3 tier COVID-19 alert system to curb a second wave of coronavirus cases. Not abiding by these new measures, the government says, means more people will die. But Afzal Khan, a member of Parliament from Manchester, says it's the prime minister, not the mayor, who is putting lives at risk. AFZAL KHAN, MANCHESTER GORTON MP: I'm disappointed. I think they've been incompetent. I've never seen anything like this from a British government. ABDELAZIZ: So why won't you just implement tier 3 restrictions as the government requested? KHAN: Of course it will help but it will not be what we need. We need more. I think that's my first concern. And second point is the impact economically will be huge. ABDELAZIZ: This shopping district is absolutely packed. And that's what this debate is about. Even under the country's highest ABDELAZIZ (voice-over): It would also come with more financial support to help businesses survive a second hit. Pub owner Tim Flynn says, if he closes his doors under the 3 tier system, he may never be able to reopen. Again TIM FLYNN, ,PUB OWNER: A local lockdown will not do. It I have no problem with the sharp two week ABDELAZIZ: Do you support the mayor and him -- ? FLYNN: I do support Andy Burnham 110 percent. ABDELAZIZ (voice-over): He is not alone. On the streets of Manchester, it is hard to find support for the prime minister. ABDELAZIZ: We are asking whether you support the mayor or the prime minister on coronavirus restrictions. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For the mayor. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mayor. I'm on the mayor's side, definitely. Yes, I'm siding with the mayor. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, the mayor, yes. ABDELAZIZ: What's your opinion of prime minister Boris Johnson? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can't say it on TV. ABDELAZIZ: While the government remains in a state of paralysis, the virus continues to spread. ABDELAZIZ: Now talks between these 2 sides have stalled. There have been no direct negotiations between the government of Manchester and Downing Street since Thursday. That MP we did speak to in the piece says he expects, while there is nothing on the calendar, his personal expectation is that this could be resolved on Monday. We'll be hearing from both Boris Johnson officials and the mayor himself on the Sunday morning talk show in Britain. CURNOW: Just got me as I sneezed so hopefully I didn't make that on air. But thank you very much. I know yesterday you heard someone yelling behind you. So we're even now. Thanks a lot. OK, so we're going to continue talking about coronavirus. Italy is facing that second spike as well. The country is reporting escalating record cases this, week and we know that schools have also shut down. This time the country is dealing with the pandemic much, much more aggressively as Ben Wedeman reports from Naples. BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: For the fourth day in a row, Italy has reported record high daily increases in the number of new coronavirus cases. WEDEMAN: Numbers far higher than we saw earlier in the year, when Italy was the European epicenter of the pandemic. Yet deaths remain relatively low from coronavirus. Still, in the double digits. We are in Naples where the governor of this region has ordered schools and universities to be closed. Restaurants have to close their doors by 9 pm. We also had the time to speak with the region's senior infectious disease specialist, who told us that this region is taking a much more aggressive approach to testing. In the past in Italy you actually had to show symptoms of the disease. Now all you need is a doctor's referral. So testing is much more easily available for those who want it, regardless of whether they show symptoms. All of this it is hoped, will help stop this latest alarming surge, a second wave in this pandemic. I'm Ben Wedeman, CNN, reporting from Naples. CURNOW: The U.S. president Trump owes a lot to suburban women for winning the 2016 election but this year many of them want him to lose. And that might cost him that important swing state. We've got that story, an important one, stick around. You're watching CNN.

Italy Reports Record New Cases As Second Wave Grips Europe

Italien meldet neue Rekordfälle, während die zweite Welle Europa ergreift

意大利报告创纪录的新病例，第二波浪潮席卷欧洲

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Lock them all up. ANNA COREN, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Donald Trump in Michigan. More focus on jailing the governor than controlling the state's spiking COVID cases. We'll tell you about the president's battleground blitz. But will it be enough with millions of Americans casting ballots in what's shaping up to be a record setting election for early voting. And later, Italy faces a growing coronavirus caseload with more cases per day than at the height of the first wave. Live from CNN Hong Kong, welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Anna Coren. CNN NEWSROOM starts right now. COREN: Almost 40 million cases of COVID-19 have now been documented worldwide since the pandemic began. The virus is spreading unchecked almost everywhere. The global map is glowing with hot spots from the U.K. to Japan. We'll have the latest from Europe just ahead. No country has been hit harder than the United States. It only has a fraction of the world's population yet, it counts for one-fifth of all COVID infections and states. At least 10 states are reporting record numbers of new cases, including Michigan and Wisconsin. U.S. president Donald Trump held packed rallies in both states Saturday. Precautions such as masks and social distancing were largely ignored. Addressing the severity of the health crisis was not on the agenda. Instead, he continued to attack Michigan's Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer for trying to shield her state from the virus. His words incited an ugly reaction. Take a listen. TRUMP: Get your schools open, the schools have to be open, right? TRUMP: Lock them all up. COREN: The FBI says Whitmer was recently the target of a foiled kidnapping plot by domestic extremists. She posted this reaction to the president on Twitter. "This is exactly the rhetoric that has put me, my family, and other government officials' lives in danger while we try to save the lives of our fellow Americans. It needs to stop." Wisconsin posted the highest number of new COVID cases on Friday. And rallies like the president held on Saturday are the types of mass gatherings public health officials say should not happen. We have more from Jeremy Diamond from Wisconsin. JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: President Trump is now losing to Joe Biden, according to recent polls, by an average of 7 points. So the president campaigning here in Janesville, Wisconsin, trying to win back some support. Talking about his support for law enforcement in particular, speaking in this town of Janesville, Wisconsin, which is 60 miles from Kenosha, Wisconsin, where, of course, a Black man, Jacob Blake, was shot by police. After that, of course, there were protests and some unrest which the president has amplified and talked about. But what he didn't talk about here is the surge here in Wisconsin of coronavirus cases happening in the state. Wisconsin is experiencing one of the worst surges in the country at the moment. Hospitalizations have tripled over the last month. And the state of Wisconsin experienced a record number of cases just the day before the president came here to Janesville to campaign. Now the White House's Coronavirus Task Force itself has warned about these types of events that the president hosted here. It wrote in its weekly report about the state of Wisconsin, saying, "Wisconsin's ability to limit further and avoid increases in hospitalizations and deaths will depend on increased observation of social distancing mitigation measures by the community until cases decline. "Lack of compliance with these measures will lead to preventable deaths." And so that is what is so startling is to see the White House Coronavirus Task Force say essentially that these very same events that the president is holding with thousands of people, packed closely together, no social distancing, very few people wearing masks, will lead to preventable deaths. Yet the president of the United States continues to hold these events. In fact, he has pledged to hold very similar events to the one we saw here in Janesville, Wisconsin, over the next few weeks, leading up to Election Day. Once a day, multiple times a day perhaps, in order to try to save his chances at reelection -- DIAMOND: -- Jeremy Diamond, CNN, in Janesville, Wisconsin. COREN: Democratic challenger Joe Biden has a significant lead in most polls. His campaign is warning supporters not to become complacent in these final two weeks. For more, here's Jason Carroll. JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: As expected, the campaign putting much of its time, resources and energy in the battleground states. And states that are doing early in-person voting, we're seeing some of those same images coming out of places like North Carolina. For his part, Vice President Joe Biden will be in Durham, North Carolina, today, speaking to voters, telling them to be patient and to get out there and vote. Senator Kamala Harris will be doing the same in Florida on Monday; should be making two stops there. Biden not out on the campaign trail on Saturday, neither was Harris. Biden met with advisers from his campaign on Saturday; Harris, a couple of people in her orbit have tested positive For COVID-19. So they physically took her off the campaign trail for a couple of days. She did test negative for COVID-19 on Saturday. So looking ahead, again, you've got Biden; he's going to be in North Carolina today. You've got Senator Harris in Florida; she will be there on Monday. Jill Biden will be in Pennsylvania on Monday, she will be in Michigan on Tuesday. But Wednesday is the big day. That is the day that former President Barack Obama will be out there campaigning for Biden. He'll be doing that in Philadelphia. And a number of Democrats are saying that, if there's one surrogate you want out there stumping for you, that would be the one. COREN: Well, it's set to be a record-breaking year for early and mail- in voting ahead of the November 3rd U.S. election. Early voting officially begins on Monday in Florida. About 2.7 million people voted by mail there in 2016. And the state reports more than 3 million mailed ballots have yet to be cast this year. Out west in Nevada, early voting began Saturday in Las Vegas and elsewhere in Clark County. So many cars streamed in to polling locations, officials are calling it a ballot dropoff parade. In Georgia, early in-person voting keeps setting records. More than 1.3 million votes were cast by mid Saturday. That's more than a 130 percent increase from 2016. North Carolina is also seeing a major jump in early in-person voting but its absentee ballot system has come under scrutiny. Dianne Gallagher reports. DIANNE GALLAGHER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Every day for more than a month now Lee Zacharias checks the mail and comes up empty. LEE ZACHARIAS, NORTH CAROLINA VOTER: I submitted my application August 20th in person at the board of elections office. GALLAGHER (on camera): You have not voted yet, though? ZACHARIAS: I have not received a ballot. GALLAGHER (voice over): Like thousands of others in North Carolina, because of the pandemic -- ZACHARIAS: I have a compromised immune system. GALLAGHER: Zacharias is voting by mail for the first time this year, or trying to. According to Ballot Trax, a new tool that North Carolina voters can use to check their status, her original ballot was mailed on September 11th. She contacted Guilford County in late September and was told Ballot Trax might not be accurate. So, to be safe, they canceled the original and sent her a new ballot, which she's still waiting to get. ZACHARIAS: Makes me angry. GALLAGHER: Across town, a different kind of voting problem. Forty- seven-year-old Vincent Gager returned his and his 83-year-old dad's ballots weeks ago. So he was shocked when we told him state data shows their ballots haven't been accepted. VINCENT GAGER, NORTH CAROLINA VOTER: I've been doing it the same way for years. I sign his, you know, I'm -- I'm the witness because, you know, I'm his son. GALLAGHER: He's not alone. So far, more than 1.3 million North Carolina voters have requested an absentee ballot and almost 40 percent of them have already been returned. But according to state data, nearly 7,200 are still under review, meaning the vote hasn't yet been accepted. Now, black voters make up only 16 percent of the total statewide ballot returns, but they account for almost 40 percent of the ballots listed as pending. T. ANTHONY SPEARMAN, PRESIDENT, NORTH CAROLINA NAACP: This is no way to run an election. GALLAGHER: Dr. T. Anthony Spearman is the president of the North Carolina NAACP. He's also a member of the board of elections in Guilford County, where nearly 6 percent of ballots returned by black voters are still listed as pending. SPEARMAN: So many of them are for the first time undergoing this process and their naivety to it is causing some of these rejections. GALLAGHER: As election workers review ballots for processing, they're supposed to notify a voter if they find a problem. Most issues can be fixed or cured without having to fill out a new ballot, but a slew of lawsuits surrounding what to do with ballots that are missing witness information led to the state board telling counties to do nothing. GALLAGHER: And just wait for court guidance, leaving thousands of voters in limbo as the clock ticks down to Election Day. SPEARMAN: And people are losing confidence. They're losing trust in the election cycle. GALLAGHER: Creating suspicion in the shadows of North Carolina's ugly history of minority voter disenfranchisement. GAGER: And I feel like they're trying to do voter suppression. GALLAGHER: Still waiting on her ballot, Zacharias is suspicious, too. ZACHARIAS: So I want to cast a vote. GALLAGHER (on camera): Are you afraid that your state is going to prevent you from doing that? ZACHARIAS: I don't know the answer. COREN: Let's bring in Robert Gutsche, who teaches sociology at Lancaster University in England. What is your take on the scenes we're witnessing across the U.S., where Americans are casting early voting? What does it say? ROBERT GUTSCHE, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, LANCASTER UNIVERSITY IN ENGLAND: For those who rallied for the republic as soon as a huge win and shows us maybe how voting needs to change and has needed to change for a long time in the United States. Not just in terms of early voting but through technology and through the Postal Service, something that Donald Trump actually was trying to get rid of. But this is showing a lot of enthusiasm and maybe having us think differently about trying to get everything done in such a short time. Now I don't know if that means people are going to want to wait a few days for results. That may need a few more years before we can do that over a few days. But this is a good sign for those who want to see the Republican, the democracy take hold. COREN: Just over two weeks until Election Day. And obviously the sprint is both on for Donald Trump and Joe Biden. What strategies are you expecting from both sides? GUTSCHE: Donald Trump's strategy all along has been to attack, attack and to make fun and shame. He's going to need to figure out how to balance that out with some policy. It's not just about make America great again like it was the first campaign. And it's not just about the emotion, either. Certainly that's driving a lot of his supporters. He's going to have to come down with more specific policies if he wants to get those people off the fence. And for Joe Biden, he has to do the same thing. He's been laying low, trying to keep his gaffes low and trying to let Donald Trump make a ruckus and react to that. But we don't know what kind of president Joe Biden would be. So he needs to step up and tell us more about how he would govern, not just how he would govern differently from Donald Trump. COREN: And what about seeing Obama on the campaign trail this week? Do you think that will be an obvious boost for Joe Biden? GUTSCHE: Well, that's his ace in the hole. Right? And Barack Obama came out earlier for Biden. He's been playing it fair in the background, quiet, because this isn't Barack Obama's campaign. This is Joe Biden's campaign. But it is about time for Barack Obama to come out and do that for Harris and Biden. But that also might have a bit of a flip side to it. If people start to look at Joe Biden as Barack Obama and, said, well we didn't want him in office anyway, let's flip back to Trump. So all this stuff is coming down to what people find as a fundamental aspect of what they want in a president. So it will help. But for others, it might just rally even more Donald Trump support. COREN: Robert, it's been a tumultuous first term for Donald Trump. Support for the president is eroding across the country, according to national polls. What do you think Trump can do to win back the voters who were with him in 2016? GUTSCHE: Well, I do think some of what he might be losing is support among white women. That was a huge push for him in his first election. And I think we saw in this last town hall debate a softer side maybe to Donald Trump or how he can try and tone it down a bit. I think for him that might help, to keep it softer, not just for women but in that sense he wasn't attacking the woman sitting across from him, which we would hope and expect a candidate to behave that way. But for Donald Trump, that was something a bit new. And I think that response to seeing a lack of support or slipping support from that strong base that he's had. So he's going to have to think about that strategy. At the end of the day, people have to judge him on the way he's treated women in that case. GUTSCHE: That hasn't looked good. He has to figure out who he is and how he's going to answer to those past times, because, in the last few weeks, they have a lot of dirt they could dig up on Donald Trump and put out on the ads. And Democrats have to decide if they want to go that route. COREN: President Trump only has two weeks to turn that image around. Great to get your analysis, Robert Gutsche, joining us from Lancaster University in England. COREN: There's much more to come right here on CNN, including a look at the escalating coronavirus cases in the U.S. and whether the long- feared cold weather surge has arrived. And Disney Parks employees in the U.S. are facing layoffs as the pandemic decimates revenue. We'll look at the human cost behind the financial decisions.

Trump Goes On Rally Blitz As 10 U.S. States Break COVID-19 Records; Thousands Of North Carolina Absentee Ballots Under Review; Biden Leads In Polls, Warns Against Complacency; Hospitalizations Climb Across U.S.

Trump geht auf Wahlkampftour, während 10 US-Staaten COVID-19-Rekorde brechen; Tausende von Briefwahlstimmen in North Carolina werden überprüft; Biden führt in Umfragen, warnt vor Selbstzufriedenheit; Krankenhausaufenthalte nehmen in den USA zu

美国10个州突破新冠疫情纪录的同时特朗普在参加集会快闪；北卡罗来纳州数千张缺席选票正在审查中；拜登在民调中领先，但他警告不可自满；全美住院人数攀升。

CABRERA: She was Ronald Reagan's strongest supporter, his sharpest negotiator, his lifelong protector. Tonight, the CNN Original Series First Ladies, looks at the life of Nancy Reagan. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Reagan carries an unprecedented 49 states in the '84 election. And Nancy's eye turns towards securing his legacy. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In 1997 I asked her, is there some area you felt you have an effect? And she said, oh, no, no, Ronnie knew exactly what he wanted to do from the moment he was elected. And then she paused and very, very softly added, well, maybe the whole Russian thing. And I was, like, the whole Russian thing? You mean the main thing of his administration? CABRERA: Joining us now, Ron Reagan, son of the former president and First Lady. Thank you so much for being here. RON REAGAN, SON OF RONALD AND NANCY REAGAN: Thanks for having me. CABRERA: Your mother is credited as being so instrumental to your father's political career. She was often called the brains of the operation. What was the dynamic like between them in private with your family growing up? REAGAN: Unaffected affection. My mother and father really just loved each other. They couldn't keep their hands off each other. In private, they were always telling one another that they loved each other. And so, I grew up in an atmosphere of a very romantic couple. CABRERA: Which sounds wonderful. But, again, she was involved in, you know, what he was doing as president. I just wondered, did that involvement in White House matters extend to the family, to you and your siblings the way it does with this current White House? REAGAN: No, not the way it does in this current White House, no. It would be terribly inappropriate. I'm sure my father would've thought so to practice the kind of nepotism that we see now. I mean, he would not be of a mind to appoint an unqualified person, whether that person was his child or not, to a position high in the White House, you know, given no experience there. Why would you do that? Why would I even accept something like that? CABRERA: So here you are now, an outspoken liberal, despite your father being a Republican icon. You weren't just his son. You share the same name. Did you feel any added pressure to follow his path or was there actually more pressure to veer from that path, to chart your own? REAGAN: I didn't really feel any pressure either way. I was never particularly interested in participating in politics as a politician. People would always ask me the question, of course. So, there was no -- no, there was no pressure. There was certainly no pressure within the family to do that. In fact, I think my father was probably relieved that I didn't go in that direction. CABRERA: I guess what are your thoughts or what's your impression of how we have seen the president, President Trump's children, and their involvement in his administration and his campaign? REAGAN: Well, they're certainly entitled to go campaign for their dad. My brother and sister, eldest brother and sister did that. And there's nothing wrong with that. When you cross the line is, you know, I hate to say it here and I don't mean to be blunt, but we've got a bunch of drifters there in the White House. They're treating this as a grift and, you know, that is no good. CABRERA: How do you see it that way? REAGAN: How do I see it that way? They're mixing business with pleasure I would say. They're mixing business with state craft. They're using the hotels and the golf clubs to profit off of the presidency. Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have no qualifications whatsoever to be in the position they're in, zero, zip, and they're using it to make money, basically. CABRERA: We learned this week Maryland's Republican governor, Larry Hogan, cast a write-in vote for your father in the 2020 election. And he told "The Washington Post," "I know it's simply symbolic. It's not going to change the outcome in my state. But I thought it was just to cast a vote to show the kind of person I'd like to see in office." I asked CNN presidential historian, Douglas Brinkley, about that and he made this prediction. DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, CNN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: I think if Donald Trump loses that you'll see the Republican Party go back to, say, where the party of Ronald Reagan. You know, Reagan has been kind of downplayed by Donald Trump. He was really the golden person of the Republican Party, and suddenly he seems second tier. But without Donald Trump -- and you're seeing Senator Sasse doing the same thing, basically reclaiming a rebranded Republican Party for 2021 as a conservative party of Ronald Reagan. CABRERA: Ron, what's your reaction to that? REAGAN: I don't think the Republican Party or any other party can profit by looking backwards. We have to look forwards. Whatever party you belong to, you have to look to the future, particularly now we're at a crucial point in history. I think everybody feels that this is one of those notable points in history where we're going to take one fork or we're going to take the other. It's going to a dark road or it's going to be a more progressive road. So, I don't think going back to the days of Ronald Reagan is the answer for the Republican Party. But they don't have much else. They really don't have much else. And Donald Trump has done a tremendous amount of damage to this party. When I think of my father, I think of words like integrity, decency, dignity, honor, and patriotism, not nationalism but patriotism, all of those qualities are in very short supply in this White House. And, frankly, the Republican Party has been complicit in degrading those values. CABRERA: Do you think your father would recognize the Republican Party right now? REAGAN: He would be horrified by the Republican Party right now. The spinelessness in the face of this pathological entity in the White House right now would shock him. CABRERA: George W. Bush has stayed silent on the race so far. If your father were alive today, do you think he would say something publicly and pick a side? REAGAN: I have no idea what my father would do publicly. I can't speak for him that way. I know his character and I know what would horrify him, and I know that this administration would, but beyond that, I can't say what he would do. CABRERA: Ron Reagan, it's a pleasure to talk with you. Thank you for sharing the insights about your family and the state of our country right now. And again, we're looking forward to hearing more about your mother tonight in our new episode of "First Ladies," all about the life and legacy of Nancy Reagan. [17:55:001] It airs tonight at 10:00 right here on CNN. That does it for me this evening. I'm Ana Cabrera. Thank you so much for joining me. Wolf Blitzer picks up our coverage with a special edition of "THE SITUATION ROOM" after a quick break. Have a great night.

CNN Original Series, First Ladies: Nancy Reagan.

CNN-Originalserie, First Ladies: Nancy Reagan.

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CURNOW: The U.S. election is just over two weeks away. President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden are spending what's left of their campaigns shoring up support in key demographics. Now one of the most critical voting blocks in this election are suburban women voters. Right now polls show their leaning more towards Joe Biden. John King explains why, John. JOHN KING, CNN HOST: We've talked about the big Joe Biden lead before. When you look into it, two things jump out. One is stability, two is the gender gap. Let show you what I mean by that. The stability of Biden's lead in this race has been remarkable. We go all the way back to when the Democrats were still in their primaries, Joe Biden had a lead when polled against Donald Trump. Let's stretch from January 2 across the year, you see the blue line, the lead continues and it is double digits now, a little bit bigger than back here. A double digit lead as we head into the final couple of weeks of the campaign. The other thing is that Joe Biden's lead is powered by women voters. This goes back to July. NBC/Wall Street Journal data. July a big gender gap. You move through August and you come to today it's even a little bit bigger. Joe Biden widening the gender gap as we get closer to election day. Now, we know why this matters for Democrats. A little bit of history here. Yes, Hillary Clinton did win among women voters back in 2016 and she won the popular vote. A 13-point advantage nationally among women, of course, she lost the electoral college. Women voted for Democrats by even bigger numbers -- in even bigger numbers. 2018 House races -- a 19-point advantage for Democratic candidates among women voters. That's why Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House. And look at the number for Joe Biden now in that latest NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll. Twice, twice the gender gap Hillary Clinton had four years ago. Now why does that matter? Let's go through the math. Some Republicans will say remember, Hillary Clinton did have that big gender gap and look this is what happened in 2016. We won so no big deal. Well, let's put that to the test. In part it's true. Hillary Clinton won among women by 13 points nationally. And look -- North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Florida, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin -- Hillary Clinton won although states among women voters. KING: What else is common among all those states? Donald Trump won them all in 2016. So Republicans would say that's ok. We can lose the women and still win the election. But look at the difference. Just match these numbers up side by side and it is simply stunning. Let me move this over a little bit and bring this in. Nationally it was plus 13 for Hillary Clinton among women. Joe Biden again, right now, running 26 points ahead. Double that number. In North Carolina it was plus 7, now it's plus 13. In Pennsylvania it was plus 13 and now it's plus 15. That one relatively comparable. But look at Florida, plus 4 for Hillary Clinton, plus 14 for Joe Biden. Arizona: plus 4 Clinton, plus 18 Joe Biden. Michigan: plus 11 Hillary Clinton, plus 17 Joe Biden. In Wisconsin: plus 10 four years ago, plus 24 now. Which is why if the Biden campaign can keep anything close to these numbers, women will be half of the electorate. More than that -- 50 to 53 percent on election day. If Joe Biden can keep those numbers, forget about this map, we will be much more something like this perhaps even with Florida, North Carolina and more in the Biden column. CURNOW: Thanks to John King for that fascinating stuff. So a "New York Times" reporter has been following a group of steel workers in Indiana for the past four years that works in a factory that was moved to Mexico. Many of them supported Donald Trump in 2016. Well, Farah Stockman detailed their journey in her opinion piece titled, "Why they loved him". Here's why she says their journey has been so important. Quote, "The mess the nation faces is bigger than Donald Trump. And if he's voted out in November the people who cast ballots for him will remain, pining for the policies he promoted. About 40 percent of American voters want tariffs and a border wall. More than half say it's important to deport more undocumented immigrants." Farah Stockman joins me now from Cambridge, Massachusetts. Farah, wonderful to have you on the show. This is a fascinating article. You've spent time with steel workers, with union members, with blue collar folks who have traditionally voted Democrats. And many of them still feel like these issues around tariffs, around immigration, around border walls, about policing will be issues that will still very much relevant again whoever is president. What have they said to you about that? FARAH STOCKMAN, MEMBER, "NEW YORK TIMES" EDITORIAL BOARD: For all of our talk about political polarization in the United States pretty much since Ronald Reagan, presidents of either party, Democrat or Republican, they embraced free trade. They embraced it with open arms. No matter what they promised on the campaign trail, when they got into the White House they furthered this notion of free trade. They embraced greater and greater free trade agreements. So TPP was the very last one that Obama hammered out when he was in office. And he ran against NAFTA. He ran against free trade. And so I think there is a sizable portion of the American electorate who feels left behind by free trade. They feel as though they have been thrown into competition with the poorest, hungriest workers in the world and they're angry about it. And they are tired of it and I think they put Trump in office. And I'm not sure that, you know, those of us who have benefited greatly from globalization and free trade. People like myself frankly, people with a college degree, People with capital, with money in the bank, who can go out there and have so many more opportunities because of it. We don't always get it. We don't always understand why people feel afraid of globalization and free trade and this increasing economic interdependence. CURNOW: With all of these people that you've spoken to and of course, they are voters that you can extrapolate across various demographics and states, is the rebellion, the draining of the swamp that they voted for, has it happened? Is it enough? Or do they want more from Mr. Trump? Particularly when it comes to economic integration and globalism and globalization and all of that. The allure of that original message. Do they want Trump plus and how motivated are they for that? STOCKMAN: Well, let's be honest. This is sort of a half finished economic project, right? So Trump has talked about his broad tariffs. And there has been a very disruptive trade war that has caused manufacturing to kind of come -- come contract. And so people will say well, could he in another four years actually make that trade war go away and come to -- you know, could he actually deliver more on his promises? STOCKMAN: So I think, you know, there are some people who want to give him another four years because they think he hasn't had enough time, right to finish his economic project. But they believe that he has been sticking up for them and their economic interests, when it comes to China. They were begging for tariffs on these goods. and if you look at the manufacturing sector in the United States it's true that after China and trade was normalized with China you watched five million jobs disappear in American factories. And it is very hard if you are a person working in a factory, it's very hard to compete with a country that doesn't have environmental regulations or doesn't have minimum wage standard. And so I think there are people, there are certainly people who want to give Trump time to finish this project that he started. There are others who look and see the real damage he has done. They see that he has done a tax cut that has been largely for corporations. They see that he hasn't been good for unions. And he's -- maybe there were a lot of jobs before COVID, but the quality of those jobs meant you had to work two and three jobs to survive. Yes, sure, unemployment can be low if you have -- if everybody has to work three jobs, just to make ends meet. And so I think that those who look really deeper, you know, much deeper at what he is actually doing can say false promises. He told me what I wanted to hear, but he can't deliver on it. He hasn't actually delivered on it. And so, you know, you hear different things from people depending on maybe one level of education, their level of exposure to information, but the problems that Trump talked about at his rallies, the things that he harped on, the reason he resonated -- those are very real. And they're not just real for the United States, I think they are real for industrialized countries around the world where the blue-collar people, the manual labor people are watching their jobs leave, and saying we don't want this anymore. And you see it in Brexit, you see it in other parts of the world, where people are just saying, put up the walls, we just need to take care of ourselves. CURNOW: With this election coming up with two weeks to go, as you say, you feel like the Democrats underestimated many of these blue-collar workers that you spend time with. Many of them perhaps are a silent majority now. What is -- if you were a betting woman, what do you think the percentage, or the likelihood of Donald Trump being reelected again based on the folks that you voted -- that you've spoken to? STOCKMAN: Like I was saying, before COVID I thought he was going to be president. CURNOW: Yes, so now after COVID -- I mean that's right. STOCKMAN: I think, you know, the economy is really struggling, and people are struggling. You are seeing, you know, you're seeing the bottom fall out. So I do feel like there is a good chance he's going to be -- you know, that our democracy will correct itself, and people will come out and vote for somebody who has the experience to run a country. CURNOW: Farah Stockman, great to get your perspective, fascinating article. Thank you for all the work and conversations you've had over the past few years has been important stuff. Thank you. STOCKMAN: Thank you. CURNOW: Still ahead on CNN, China stands alone in weathering the economic storm the pandemic has created around the world.

Trump And Biden's Battleground Blitz; Why Suburban Women Voters are so Important; Why Steelworkers Voted for Trump

Trumps und Bidens Blitzaktion auf dem Schlachtfeld; Warum Wählerinnen in Vorstädten so wichtig sind; Warum Stahlarbeiter für Trump gestimmt haben

特朗普和拜登的战场闪电战；为什么郊区女性选民如此重要；为什么炼钢工人给特朗普投票

HARLOW: Well, Italy this morning is cracking down as a second wave of coronavirus infections have hit that country incredibly hard. SCIUTTO: Yes, remember, it was the epicenter of Europe's outbreak at the start of the pandemic. The images from there, just devastating. CNN's senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman has the story. BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Italy is well into the second wave of coronavirus, though it's not immediately apparent in Naples, the capital of the Campania region, which has one of the highest numbers of COVID-19 cases in the country. Infectious disease specialist Alessandro Perrella says it's not just about the numbers. ALESSANDRO PERRELLA, INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST: We have an increasing number of positive people, positive. Not an increasing number of patients. It's very different. WEDEMAN (voice-over): What's different is the testing. Earlier this year, only those showing COVID-like symptoms were tested. Now, everyone can do it. The majority of people who prove positive are asymptomatic, isolating until recovery. The number of people in intensive care, now approximately a fifth of what it was before. WEDEMAN: Day after day, Italy is reporting record increases in the number of new coronavirus cases. But at the same time Italy is testing like never before at this hospital here in Naples. Seven days a week, at least a thousand tests are conducted, quickly and for free. Five times as many tests are being conducted now than at the height of the first wave in March, a once unwieldy process now routine. How long was the wait? Half an hour, says Abramo (ph). When will you receive the result? I ask. The whole family did it. Tomorrow morning, we'll get a message with the results by phone, he says. There's no air of panic, but there is concern. We're not worried, says Valentina (ph). What worries us is not being able to work. The number of new cases is erupting in Italy, and the peak of this wave is far off. Better prepared this time, Italy is still bracing for a long, hard winter. WEDEMAN: And we're really just at the beginning of this second wave. And if you look at the numbers, they are worrying. At the moment, there are around 126,000 active cases here in Italy. That's about 18,000 more than the peak of the first wave. And as you can see, the weather here in Naples is beautiful and we have months ahead of us of cold, rainy weather -- Jim, Poppy. SCIUTTO: Yes, if it's this bad now, the concern it gets worse. Ben Wedeman, good to have you there, thanks very much. Well, the city of Manchester, England is reporting a sharp rise as well in the number of new coronavirus infections, but the city -- city's mayor is fighting with the British prime minister, Boris Johnson, on whether to impose any new restrictions. HARLOW: That's right. Our Salma Abdelaziz is in Manchester. Good morning, Salma. This dispute has created a lot of confusion. SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN REPORTER: That's absolutely right, Poppy and Jim. The mayor of Greater Manchester has been locked in a bitter battle with the central government in London over their plans to raise the alert level of the city to tier three restrictions. That would shut down pubs, bars, potentially gyms -- and ban households from mixing together. The mayor's argument is essentially one of risk versus reward. He says, under these limited local lockdowns, the risk to local businesses that would be affected is too high in comparison to the reward in terms of how much COVID infection rates would be brought down in the city. That's why he's arguing for a nationwide lockdown. He's not the only one. The country's scientific advisors have also called for a nationwide lockdown, the prime minister's answer though has been a resounding no. But after days of stalled talks, we do have a breakthrough today. The mayor says he has held a constructive dialogue with senior officials. We've also heard from a member of government that the city will be offered a larger financial package to help affected businesses. But it's important to remember this is just one city. Imagine negotiating country -- city by city, town by town as the virus spreads through the population -- Poppy and Jim. HARLOW: Exactly. Salma, thank you for the reporting. Thanks for being there, very much. Back here in the United States, very long lines forming -- especially there, that's Miami this morning -- for the first day of in-person early voting. We'll get the details, next, on whether early voting trends are a predictor at all of where this election is headed.

COVID-19 Cases Rise in Italy and Britain

COVID-19-Fälle Nehmen in Italien und Großbritannien Zu

意大利和英国新冠病例数上升

BERMAN: Prosecutors released new evidence in the alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. This is video played in federal court of the training drills that prosecutors say were carried out in a plot to storm Michigan's capital and kidnap the governor. CNN affiliate WXMI obtained the video from the U.S. attorney's office after the preliminary hearings where six men were charged in federal court with conspiracy to kidnap a sitting governor. That's something. Joining us now, CNN contributor Miles Taylor. He's a former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security and CNN national security commentator Mike Rogers, the former chair of the House Intelligence Committee, former FBI guy, former Michigan congressman. Mr. Chairman, so I'm going to start with you here. Just on that video. That wasn't messing around. I mean that was serious weaponized training for this alleged plot to kidnap a sitting governor. MIKE ROGERS, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY COMMENTATOR: Yes, this wasn't a few guys sitting around the bonfire, drinking beer, talking about wouldn't it be great to storm the capital and send a message. This was an advanced plot with advanced training. So they were going through sophisticated weapons training, including magazine load and reload, things that you would normally do if you had some experience in that realm about what it would be like and what that would be is more like a combat situation. Remember, they were talking about storming the capital which means somebody is going to get killed along the way. They have Michigan State Police protection there. So this was a serious plot and I think they -- the FBI followed that through its logical conclusion. And then once they started to test IEDs and other things, they decided, hey, this thing is real. So surveillance, real-time training for a specific target, actually accumulating the weapons and devices that they believe they need to be successful. This was domestic terrorism by its very definition. HILL: It is so scary to look at that. And yet, Miles, what is I think equally frightening for a lot of people is what we're not hearing about this, what we're not hearing from the top, that lack of concern. Based on your experience, any reason to think that that might change? MILES TAYLOR, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, no. I mean so far I think the president has demonstrated that this is a topic he doesn't like to talk about because he's got concerns that some of these extremist groups share the same ideology as his supporters, so he's really reticent to do it. That's not a good excuse, though, Erica. And, in fact, I would look back at my time at DHS and Chairman Rogers knows this, too, from his time monitoring many of the same terrorist plots, this is more serious than a lot of the ISIS terrorist plots that we were monitoring that had a nexus to the United States because we're talk about U.S.-born, U.S.-based individuals that were engaged in this broad network, that were engaged in the pre-operational planning that Chairman Rogers described. But the other element here that I think is significant, and that is eerily reminiscent of the ISIS plot, is the remote radicalization piece. We have a president of the United States who's using rhetoric that is, in some ways, remotely radicalizing these individuals. If that continues, my fear is that you see American backyards become the battlegrounds in the war on terror. Something that neither Chairman Rogers nor I, I think, ever really anticipated and certainly not coming from a commander in chief. BERMAN: I'm glad you both used the words alleged domestic terror plot because the video is very reminiscent of an ISIS training video. That's what it looks like. And if you're talking about remote radicalization, Miles, and I don't want to play it. We can choose, by the way, not to play President Trump and some of the language he uses on the campaign trail when he talks about Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and incites the crowd to chant "lock her up." We don't have to play that because it could be the type of thing that would incite people. But I do want to play for you Governor Whitmer's reaction to what happened to these Trump rallies over the weekend where President Trump attacked her again. Listen. GOV. GRETCHEN WHITMER (D-MI): You know, it's incredibly disturbing that the president of the United States, ten days after a plot to kidnap, put me on trial and execute me, ten days after that was uncovered the president is at it again and inspiring and incentivizing and inciting this kind of domestic terrorism. It is wrong. It's got to end. BERMAN: Miles, your reaction to that, and the line between politics and incitement. TAYLOR: Well, it's very clear that the system is blinking red when it comes to domestic terrorism. And worse than covering his eyes and his ears about the threat, in some ways the president is fanning the flames of it. I mean, John, we saw him out there of course telling extremists to stand by. He should be telling them instead that they will stand trial if they engage in activities like this. It doesn't matter if the governor of Michigan is a Republican or a Democrat. The president needs to condemn this. And his own FBI, and I've talked to senior FBI officials that I'm sure Chairman Rogers talks to as well are very concerned that there are more of these domestic terrorism plots around the country and the president's rhetoric could further incite them. So that's a big concern here. We've got to be vigilant against it and we have to make sure that people within the president's own party are calling him out on this rhetoric so that we don't end up in a worse place. HILL: And, really quickly, Chairman Rogers, before we let you both go, we're hearing from Governor Whitmer. I mean since we're not going to hear from the president on this clearly, what if we did hear from more bipartisan coalition, for example, of state and local leaders? What kind of an impact do you think that could have? ROGERS: Well, listen, these groups ideology was there before Trump. Trump has certainly added a little fuel to this fire. They're going to be here afterward. This absolutely needs to be a bipartisan effort. I mean what we're watching is the death of decency in politics in America and our lifetime. That worries me more than anything because we're going to -- somebody will be disappointed the day after the election, one party or the other, and that constant careening to both ditches in the extreme is going to mean that some people are going to act out in ways that we would find unacceptable, including violence, by the way. So, yes, I would love to see a bipartisan effect from every local official to every senior -- federal official coming out and condemning violence of any sort toward the government. Politics needs to get back into the arena of which it is intended, which is debate and sometimes it should be and most times it should be civil debate. And, again, that civil sense of decency we just seem to have lost. BERMAN: Yes. ROGERS: And that ( BERMAN: Mr. Chairman, Miles, thank you both for being with us this morning. Have a terrific day. Appreciate it. ROGERS: Thanks. BERMAN: Obviously a lot going on. We're getting new numbers in on the pandemic. And the presidential race, just 15 days left to vote. CNN's coverage continues, next.

New Video of Kidnapping Suspects Training

Neues Video zum Training von Entführungsverdächtigen

绑架案嫌犯训练新视频

TAPPER: In our 2020 lead: Today, President Trump told his campaign staff that he feels he has never been in a stronger position than he is right now. And he claims he's confident he will be reelected. Now, polls suggest that Biden has a clear upper hand, both nationally and in individual battleground states. But in this environment and with the shadow of 2016, we know anything is possible. So, what are any possible paths to a Trump victory? CNN's resident forecaster, Harry Enten, joins us now live to discuss. Harry, what are President Trump's options here? HARRY ENTEN, CNN POLITICAL SENIOR WRITER AND ANALYST: Right. So I think, essentially, there are two options when I'm looking at the polling data, right? The first option is essentially that he captures either, one, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or option two is that he carries both Nevada and New Hampshire. Keep in mind, in all these different scenarios, we're assuming that Trump wins all the states he won by at least one point, two points in 2016. But let's talk about option one first, right? Essentially, he just needs to win either Michigan, Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin, one of those states in yellow on your screen. But here's why that pathway could be difficult. Take a look at the polling in those states right now. What do we see? We see that former Vice President Joe Biden has a lead of seven to eight points in all those states, and Biden is at 50 percent or greater. Now, here's option number two. Option number two is either is that he carries both Nevada and New Hampshire. And if he does that, then even if he loses in the Rust Belt battleground states, Trump still gets to 270 electoral votes. But, again, here's the problem with that potential path. Look at the polling in both Nevada and New Hampshire. Again, you see, former Vice President Joe Biden with leads at least seven points, and he's above 50 percent in both Nevada and New Hampshire at this point. TAPPER: And, Harry, there are a few states that you're labeling as wild cards right now. Which states are those? And why are they so important? ENTEN: Right. So, essentially, Arizona, Florida, and North Carolina, right? In all the scenarios I just laid out, I gave them to President Trump. But here's what's important to point out. Former Vice President Joe Biden leads in all three of those states at this point by anywhere between three and four points. If former Vice President Joe Biden wins in any of those wild card states, that pathway to Trump really just goes adios, amigos, goodbye very, very quickly. TAPPER: All right, Harry Enten, thanks. And a reminder, of course, polling is not election results. If you're out there, whether you're voting for Trump or for Biden, be sure to vote. A Republican senator running for reelection in the once reliable red tape -- reliably red state of Texas seems to think that his best chance for winning is to distance himself, at least a bit, from President Trump. In an interview with "The Fort Worth Star-Telegram," Republican Senator John Cornyn describes his relationship with the president as -- quote -- "maybe like a lot of women who get married and think they're going to change their spouse. And that doesn't usually work out very well" -- unquote. Senator Cornyn also claiming that he privately disagreed with President Trump on using defense money to build the border wall, despite publicly backing the president's decision for months. Joining us now to discuss this and the future of the Republican Party, longtime Republican strategist Stuart Stevens. And, Stuart, you're no supporter of President Trump. You have even joined The Lincoln Project, Republicans working to prevent President Trump's reelection. But to see a Republican incumbent in Texas try to distance himself from a sitting Republican president, I have never seen anything like that. STUART STEVENS, THE LINCOLN PROJECT: Well, that's because it's never happened. This is kind of personal for me, Jake. I worked in Senator Cornyn's first race for attorney general, his only race for attorney general, and then his first race for the Senate, which was really his only tough race. The person I knew then was very smart, self -reflective, kind. I kind of don't recognize this guy. I don't understand. He's like a lot of these people under Trump. I really don't know what happened to them. What's most striking to me is, well, two things, like you say. He's in Texas, and he's trying to walk away from Trump. But the other thing is, he saying that he gave advice to Trump the Trump didn't take, which is sort of an odd argument for a U.S. senator to be making, like, I'm ineffective with a member of my own party as president. It seems to me to be a lose-lose, and maybe a lose-lose-lose, when you throw in the reference to women. This isn't a confident campaign. I think Senator Cornyn thinks that he's got a tough race. He probably does. It looks that way. And I think pretty much every Republican is feeling this supposed floor of Trump start to creek and probably fall out. TAPPER: Yes. And, look, we don't know what's going to happen. President Trump could very well be reelected. You know, the polls don't suggest that, but we don't know what's going to happen two weeks and one day. But I just want to ask you, as a longtime Republican, watching a party that has historically had just great presidents, great politicians, Eisenhower, Reagan, and seeing this party embrace conspiracy theorists like QAnon, seeing this party embrace just wild allegations, insane allegations being made about Joe Biden and his family, ones that are -- we won't even touch, what do you think when you look at the GOP? I mean, obviously, the guy that you worked for, for the last presidential race that you worked on, Mitt Romney, is trying to do what he can to stand against this tide of just lies and indecency, but it seems pretty alone, where he's standing. STEVENS: Look, I think it's always difficult when you're in the middle of something to realize what's happening, but I don't think we have ever seen in American politics a complete collapse of a party, as the way the Republican Party's collapsed. If somebody held a gun to my head and said, tell me what it is to be a conservative and a Republican in America today, I would say, so shoot me. I have no idea. There's no coherent theory of government, and there's no moral center to it. You know, in the Reagan era, we said that words could change the world, it would help bring down the Berlin Wall. Now we say about President Trump, well, they're just words, doesn't mean anything. The only thing I can compare it to is the collapse of communism in the Soviet Union, where what people -- the party said it was for and what it was for was just so disparate that it just collapsed. And that's what's happening to the Republican Party. It's just collapsing. TAPPER: And it's depressing, because there are a lot of us who are not members of that party who wants there to be -- who want there to be a thriving, smart Republican Party out there. TAPPER: And I just don't even understand what politicians who know better who are Republican officials -- let's just pick one at random -- Marco Rubio of Florida, Senator Marco Rubio, what they're thinking when they watch the party base -- President Trump today is attacking Dr. Anthony Fauci. His goons are out there spreading lies and completely discredited, sleazy stories that nobody thinks are accurate. I mean, what does a Senator Rubio think when he sees this? STEVENS: You would have to ask him. I really don't understand it. I mean, what really breaks my heart is, these politicians are the heir to the Greatest Generation. And courage isn't standing up to some ridiculous figure like Donald Trump. Courage is getting out of the boat when the man in front of you just got shot. And that's their legacy. And that's what tens of thousands of people like my dad did. And they just came back and they thought it was normal and built a life. And these politicians can't even stand up to Donald Trump? Everything that they said in 2016, like Senator Rubio, they know it's -- about Donald Trump -- they know it's true. And it's only got worse. I mean, I was pretty -- I wrote a book that was pretty pessimistic about the Republican Party, "It Was All a Lie," finished it about a year ago. Turns out it was way over optimistic. I mean, I never thought that we'd end up in a situation where there was no platform for the party. There was just an oath of loyalty. It's extraordinary. And I don't see it going to change, except by sheer fear. Trump has proven there's no line of principle that pretty much he can cross that the Republican Party's going to rise up and disagree with. So they have -- I spent decades working in this party. And the only thing I can look at it now is say, burn it down. Just burn it down and start over. And I think that's what's going to happen, same thing that happened to the Republican Party in California, which is now in third place. It may take longer than we think, but it's going to happen. Donald Trump is going to lose. There is a chance he could win. There's a chance I can be drafted by the Eagles. It's not going to happen. TAPPER: Well, we might need -- we might need you on the O line, Stuart, just for the record when it comes to the Eagles. Stuart, The book is called "It Was All a Lie." It's a very heartfelt book about his time in politics and what's happened to the Republican Party. Thank you so much for your time today. Really appreciate it. STEVENS: Thank you. TAPPER: Coming up: how one Republican trying to hold her Senate seat is juggling a complicated relationship with President Trump. That's next.

President Trump's Path to Victory?

Der Weg von Präsident Trump zum Sieg?

特朗普总统的胜利之路？

ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR: A grim warning from the former head of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. He says a rapid acceleration of coronavirus cases may be about a week away. In the past week, 14 states reported their highest number ever for hospital admissions for COVID-19. All of this is a sign of the difficult northern winter on the horizon. Here is Brian Todd. BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: At this nursing home in northwestern Kansas, an unmitigated disaster. 100 percent of its residents, 62 people, have tested positive for the coronavirus, county health officials say. And 10 residents have died. LEANA WEN, FORMER HEALTH COMMISSIONER, BALTIMORE: In congregate settings like nursing homes, this is a disease that could spread like wildfire. And this in fact is what we have seen before in nursing homes and tragically what we are seeing in this nursing home in Kansas as well. TODD: Kansas is one of 31 states trending upward in new coronavirus cases tonight, only one state, Hawaii is dropping and 16 states, nearly a third of the country, are experiencing their highest seven- day averages for new cases since the pandemic began. One expert says the next four or five month's maybe the worst period of the entire pandemic. DR. PETER HOTEZ, VACCINE RESEARCHER, DEAN OF THE NATIONAL SCHOOL OF TROPICAL MEDICINE AT BAYLOR COLLEGE OF MEDICINE: We are at about 70,000 new cases a day. Probably by next week or the week after, we could be looking at a doubling of the number of deaths by the week after the inauguration. TODD: Dr. Peter Hotez says things will get better by next summer, but that Americans have to get ready for some horrible numbers in the meantime and hang on. In Illinois, one of the states trending up in cases, officials say almost every region in the state has seen an increase in COVID related hospitalizations over the last week. And tighter restrictions on gatherings are coming. STEVE BRANDY, SPOKESMAN, WILL COUNTY ILLINOIS HEALTH DEPARTMENT: It didn't happen by itself. People are being careless. People are getting cocky. People are thinking it's not going to happen to me. It's over. No, that is all wrong. TODD: The Williamsburg section of Brooklyn in New York City is not in a so-called red zone of coronavirus hotspots there. But state officials barred a planned gathering in that neighborhood for the wedding of the grandson of an orthodox Jewish rabbi, a gathering where they say up to 10,000 people were expected to attend. JUDITH HARRISON, ASSISTANT CHIEF, NEW YORK POLICE: We don't want to disrespect anybody. People are allowed to gather, but within reason. We want to make sure that there are no large gatherings in excess of 50 people. TODD: As communities fight off outbreaks, the race for a vaccine gets more intense. The British government is planning to conduct the first so-called human challenge studies, where healthy volunteers are deliberately infected with the virus, and some receive an experimental vaccine. China says nearly 60,000 people have been injected with experimental vaccines during its phase three clinical trials. While in the U.S., the Health and Human Services secretary says officials hope to have enough vaccine by late March or early April to vaccinate everyone in America who wants one. But a leading vaccine expert puts that timetable a bit later. PAUL OFFIT, VACCINE EDUCATION CENTER, CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL OF PHILADELPHIA: Early next year, you will start to see these vaccines rolling out to the highest risk group's first. And then by the middle of next year, the end of next year, hopefully we will then be getting more to the general public. TODD: But the nation's top voice on the coronavirus pandemic, Dr. Anthony Fauci, is still worried about Americans not trusting the vaccine. Dr. Fauci predicted that when a safe and effective vaccine becomes available in the U.S., it still going to be a challenge to convince people to take the vaccine. Brian Todd, CNN, Washington. CHURCH: So, let's talk about this with Dr. Jorge Rodriguez. He joins me from Los Angeles. Thank you Doctor for talking with us. JORGE RODRIGUEZ, INTERNAL MEDICINE AND VIRAL SPECIALIST: My pleasure. CHURCH: So this country has lost nearly 221,000 people and 42 states reported an increased in hospitalizations over the past two weeks. Former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb says the U.S. is one week away from a rapid acceleration in COVID cases. What needs to be done? RODRIGUEZ: What need to be done is that we really need to start adhering too and believing what has been said now for almost nine months, which is that this virus is here. It's here to stay for a long time and we need to practice the holy trinity which is masks, separation by at least six feet from other people and handwashing. There is no room for error right now. There really isn't. CHURCH: Yes, exactly. And the mayor of Miami Beach is accusing Florida's Governor of pursuing a herd immunity strategy. The very same approach advocated by Dr. Scott Atlas who now advises President Trump. How concerned are you that the Trump administration and governors who support the president are following this strategy and explain the consequences of an approach like that. RODRIGUEZ: I am very concerned and I have been all along. There are people that are playing politics with our lives. I am a Miami hometown boy. So, this one really strikes from very closely. DeSantis has obviously been riding whatever -- I mean, President Trump wants him to do. They have put politics before lives. And the danger is that once this ball starts rolling down the hill, it's going to gain momentum. And if you look at the graphs, it really is about to explode in a couple of weeks. And listen, we are one big country and what happens in Florida will eventually as it is happening now will happen in Iowa and Nebraska. We are not separate. CHURCH: Yes. And the problem is of course, they are opening things up. RODRIGUEZ: Of course. CHURCH: So this makes the situation worst. And a recent study shows Italy opened windows for in-person learning at schools and kids wear masks and face shields while sitting about eight feet apart. Then there is a chance schools could offer safer in-person learning experience. Do you agree with that? Is that a workable model, depending, of course, on what each school is able to do? Some schools can't accommodate eight feet between each student. RODRIGUEZ: Yes, you know, it's very difficult. These question about children and learning is a very difficult thing. Obviously, for complete growth, should be with their peers. What I think would work is to establish these norms and to have a rotating system. We need to be fluid. We need to have some kids coming in. Maybe one third of class on Monday, another third on Tuesday and the rest can be done virtually, you know, the other third on Wednesday. We need to be inventive. But it can work. We just need to again, follow separation, shields and washing our hands. CHURCH: Yes, and of course it depends how many kids. I mean, the kids at my -- my kid's high school, there are 2,400 of them. It would be impossible for all of them to be accommodated in a situation like that. So each school has to be taken one at a time and work this out. So, what do you say to American families who want to get together for thanksgiving later next month? And to other families across the globe planning to dine or party together. RODRIGUEZ: I say and this may sound a little corny, but I say that this year we need to isolate and perhaps not see each other so that next year when we do get together, nobody is missing. So I say that we really need to buckle down and be very cautious. There are other ways of communicating. We don't have to gather in large groups this year. As a matter of fact, one of the most dangerous things that we do is gather with family and friends who we think just because they are family and friends they are safe. You can still love your family. We don't always have to see them. So, let's think of the future as opposed to right now, the president and this holiday season. CHURCH: Some very wise advice there, Dr. Jorge Rodriguez. Thank you so much for joining us. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you, Rosemary. CHURCH: Later today, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin are expected to resume talks in an effort to find common ground on a major stimulus deal. Pelosi seems upbeat about the progress, but some Senate Republicans, specifically Mitch McConnell, are not so optimistic. Sources say the Senate majority leader doesn't expect a deal to get a vote in his chamber before Election Day. Here is what the Democratic Senate minority leader had to say about it. SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY), SENATE MINORITY LEADER: The only bills McConnell will put on the floor are so -- they are not small, they are not skinny. They are emaciated. They leave out testing and tracing. They leave out helping kids open up the schools. They leave out helping people with their rental. We can't have a deal that has virtually nothing. Even the one thing they say they might be for, which is some small business relief, they leave out relief to restaurants. They leave out relief to our independent venues, our stages. They leave out relief to nonprofits. They even leave out relief to our rural hospitals, which definitely need help. So, they can't bring themselves to do anything. So we are not even at this stage of talking compromise. CHURCH: Meanwhile, The New York Times and Sienna College had come out with a new poll. It shows seven out of 10 Americans support a two trillion dollar stimulus package backed by House Democrats. Well, Cathay Pacific Group is the latest airline company taking an economic blow from the coronavirus pandemic. The company announced nearly 6,000 people will lose their jobs in an effort to cut costs. Most of the cut positions will come from the company's Hong Kong headquarters. Hundreds more jobs that had gone unfilled will also be eliminated. And CNN's Selina Wang is following this story from Hong Kong. She joins us now live. Good to see you, Selina. So, how is this news being received in Hong Kong? SELINA WANG, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Rosemary, great to be with you. I mean, we were expecting these job cuts considering just how hard the industry has been hit by the COVID-19 pandemic. But still these are the largest job cuts in Cathay Pacific's history. They are eliminating about a quarter of the jobs. As you mentioned they are going to be laying off more than 5,000 employees here in Hong Kong as well as hundreds of employees overseas. Now, Cathay Pacific was already struggling before the COVID-19 pandemic. Hong Kong protest had significantly reduce the number of travelers coming in from the mainland. And then when it comes to COVID-19, a place like Hong Kong gets hit especially hard because it doesn't have a domestic market to rely on to offset the drop in international travelers. Now as a result of this, Cathay is also going to be getting rid of one of its regional carriers called Cathay Dragon. But the goal here, the hope is that as a result of this, this will allow Cathay to stay afloat for a bit longer. They have been losing hundreds of millions of dollars per month, and even after this restructuring, they are still going to be bleeding cash. Now, if you take a look across the board at the carrier industry, it is not a pretty picture. You have the International Air Transport Association predicting that it's going to take until 2024 for passenger traffic to get back to pre-pandemic levels. Qantas recently announcing it's going to be laying off around 30 percent of its staff. At Singapore airlines, it's going to be around 20 percent. And then in the U.S., they are already starting to layoff tens of thousands of people in the airline industry. And this is despite Congress approving that $50 billion bailout package earlier this year. Now, Cathay Pacific had also received some help over the summer. It had received a $5 billion rescue package that was led by the Hong Kong government. But that just wasn't enough. And in the words of the CEO of Cathay Pacific Group, he said that the global pandemic continues to have a devastating impact on aviation. And the hard truth is we must fundamentally restructure the group to survive. So expecting more pain ahead for Cathay Pacific, they are expecting to operate less than half of its pre-pandemic passenger flight capacity in 2021. Rosemary? CHURCH: Yes. So many consequences as a result of this pandemic. Selina Wang joining us live from Hong Kong, many thanks. Well, witnesses say protests have been met with gunfire by Nigerian troops. The latest on demands for police reform when we come back.

Ex-Head of FDA, Possible Rapid Acceleration of Cases; Race for Vaccine Ramping Up Worldwide; Study Suggests Open Windows, Glass Barriers Can Help Reduce Virus Spread in Classrooms; Pelosi, Mnuchin to Resume Stimulus Talks Today; Cathay Pacific Announces 5,900 Jobs Cuts Globally

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JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: Early voting is underway in record levels in the United States with election day now less than two weeks away. Long lines, rainy weather didn't really matter in Florida, where more than 360,000 have cast their ballots on the first day of in-person early voting. The swing state of Wisconsin also began early voting on Tuesday. CNN's poll of polls has President Trump trailing Joe Biden there. Also in Pennsylvania and Michigan, two other big battleground states, Donald Trump, who won Michigan by a very thin margin in 2016 appealing to white working class voters, this time Biden is doing well with white, less educated voters in the state. He is also banking on a heavy turnout of African-American voters in the suburbs of Detroit. CNN's Kate Bolduan caught up with black voters in Michigan and filed this report. WENDY CALDWELL-LIDDELL, FOUNDER, MOBILIZE DETROIT: Ok. So let's say you aren't registered. So let you two registered ok. I think that the apathy has just grown and has JUST become so pervasive in our communities, because people are just trying to survive that we have to get back to empowering people. Let's cycle back this way. KATE BOLDUAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: 29-year-old Wendy Caldwell-Liddell is a woman with no shortage of energy. She doesn't work for any campaign, but since August, she says she's spent three days a week every week between her full-time job and taking care of two kids using that energy to try and convince fellow Detroit their vote matters. CALDWELL-LIDDELL: At this point, this is our survival now. What happens politically is a part of our survival and there is no escaping that. BOLDUAN: 10,704. What does that number mean to you? CALDWELL-LIDDELL: Is that how many votes Trump won by? BOLDUAN: That's exactly how many votes. CALDWELL-LIDDELL: So that number. It hurts. It hurts. BOLDUAN: Wayne County, which includes Detroit, went for Hillary Clinton by a wide margin in 2016. But she got about 76,000 fewer votes there than Obama did in 2012. Remember, Trump won the entire state by just 10,704 votes. Are you voting for Joe Biden or are you or more voting against Donald Trump? CALDWELL-LIDDELL: 80 percent against Donald Trump, 20 percent for Joe Biden. I would say that. BOLDUAN: What does that mean? F1: It means that I know that as a voter and as a black woman that there's a job that I have to do in order to get a representative who will come close to protecting my people in office. But I am not necessarily excited about having another representative there who, really, does not inherently understand the needs of our community. BOLDUAN: Markita Blanchard, like Wendy, has lived in Detroit her whole life. But at 63 years old, she sees the choice this election a bit differently. MARKITA BLANCHARD, BIDEN SUPPORTER: I'm 100 percent voting for Biden. BOLDUAN: Does Biden make you excited? BLANCHARD: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, he does. His enthusiasm, his past record -- it's like a charge. BOLDUAN: President Trump says often that he has done more for the black community -- BLANCHARD: That's -- go ahead. BOLDUAN: No, I don't even need to finish. BLANCHARD: He is full of BOLDUAN: Amber Davis is one of those Detroiters who voted for Obama in 2012, then didn't vote at all in 2016. Why didn't you vote in 2016? AMBER DAVIS, MICHIGAN VOTER: I didn't want Trump, and I didn't want Hillary. I didn't really care who won that election. BOLDUAN: So what is your plan this election? DAVIS: I don't like Biden, but I'm voting for Biden. The coronavirus, everything that's going on is just horrible. So he's got to go. BOLDUAN: One path to flipping Michigan blue again and a critical pursuit of the Biden campaign is getting those voters who sat out four years ago to show up this time. BOLDUAN: And a sign the Trump campaign knows this, it has an office right down the road from the Democrats specifically targeting black voters in Detroit. How unusual is that to see, forget Trump, but a Republican presidential campaign open an office in here UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I've never seen it. I've never seen it ever, ever before. BOLDUAN: But what does it tell you? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The importance of not only Michigan but Detroit in the black vote because the parties -- both parties need us, really. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you going to help me? BOLDUAN: Everyone always talks about on TV, they always talk about how black women are the backbone of the Democratic Party. CALDWELL-LIDDELL: We are. We are. Black women are the backbone. BOLDUAN: Do you think the Democratic Party takes you for granted? F1: Absolutely. Absolutely. they take us for granted because they know that black women are going to help them get the big wins they need where it matters, but they also know that they can give us the bare minimum knowing that we aren't going to choose the other side. BOLDUAN: What does that say about the country? F1: It says we've still got a long way to go, when the backbone of the country is the most neglected. BOLDUAN: This is a slice of the electorate, of course, not necessarily predictive of how the election is going to swing. But regardless of who wins, what is clear here, both parties have a lot of work to do to either hold on to or win over the support of these passionate, reliable voters, black women. Kate Bolduan, CNN -- New York. VAUSE: In Lagos, Nigeria protest against police brutality turned violent as eyewitnesses say soldiers opened fire on demonstrators. Witnesses tell CNN multiple people were shot. The gunfire went on for at least 15 to 30 minutes. CNN's Eleni Giokos now joins us live for more on this. So where' here in a situation where there is a 24-hour nationwide curfew which has been put in place Tuesday. Was that kind of a circuit breaker here at least bringing a pause to the unrest? What's the latest. ELENI GIOKOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely. In fact, that was the reason that we saw an escalation of what happened specifically in Lekki at the toll gate. And remember this is ground zero And remember this is ground zero for the protestors and demonstrations that started the in-so campaign against police brutality and brute force. And we are hearing from eyewitnesses that the very thing that they were protesting against they experienced in many hours on Tuesday night. This is what we're hear. That people were shot at. We are hearing that ammunition continued for between 15 to 30 minutes and that there were bodies lying on the ground. These harrowing experiences have been echoed by many people that we've spoken to, many friends and families have been victims of this incident. And importantly, John, from what we've also been seeing live-streamed from Nigerian celebrities or pleas for medical assistance. People were actually barricaded into a small section on Lekki Bridge overnight. Also important to note here that this really escalated when the lights and the streetlights and CCTV cameras were removed by national security forces in Nigeria in that area. Many of the protesters say that this actually caused the escalation and that protesters were shot at directly. Essentially, we've actually also seen a lot of this protest action turning violent in many parts of the country and that's why a curfew was in state. But now Amnesty International says that they cannot confirm the fatalities, but they've heard credible as well as disturbing reports of brute force being used by police. VAUSE: So Eleni, if we look at, you know, the reasons for these protests, which were about police brutality which is a fairly generic term. What seems to be the reason here is a police squad which specializes in everything which you would not expect from the police? GIOKOS: Yes, exactly. And look this army -- this part of the police force was actually disbanded on the 11th of October. That was one of the demands from protesters. But they say that it's not enough. A new unit was actually put together, they say, the speed of which it was reconstructed it's very curious. Is this just a rebranding with the same people, no real new training has been conducted. And they are also asking for prosecutions. They're accusing this specific unit of harassment, kidnapping as well as extortion. And what's interesting is that This protest action has been ongoing in Nigeria for around two weeks now. And it really spread from Lekki into other areas of the country as well. GIOKOS: We've also heard government saying that there's been vandalism by opportunists operating under the banner of the End SARS campaign, targeting specifically private sector infrastructure as well as government offices as well. And that is why you've seen curfews come into effect. But this is going to be an important turning point, John, in terms of the way that protesters and average Nigerians are seeing the way that government is responding to the calls of protesters that of course, started out very peacefully. They're saying that they disappointed, that they are upset, and, of course, that they're very angry. And that is the sense that we are getting from people on the ground. Look today, we're going to be hearing from the Lagos state governor to find out exactly just how many people were impacted. They have confirmed that there had been hospitalizations but they may tell you I also received so many calls from executive and business people than I worked with in the past very closely. And they are traumatized and they are upset at the latest developments. Now, it's going to be an important message from governments in the next few hours. The VAUSE: Yes, absolutely. Eleni, thank you. Eleni Giokos there in Johannesburg live with the very latest. India is already dealing with the world's second highest number of confirmed cases of the coronavirus, more than 7.5 million and counting. But now comes another crisis and that's increasing levels of toxic air pollution. CNN's Vedika Sud has our report. VEDIKA SUD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: While India struggles to control its COVID-19 caseload, currently second only to the U.S., another health crisis has impacted Delhi and surrounding states. The iconic India Gate shrouded in small in the early of the morning. The city's worsening air pollution has walkers and cyclists gasping for breath. MAANAS, DELHI RESIDENT: Earlier, I would ride my cycle without a mask. But now I can feel something troubling my throat. NAVEEN JAIN, DELHI RESIDENT: This didn't happen earlier. I would go for walks during lockdown. I didn't feel any discomfort then, I feel it now. SUD: Farmers burning the residue of their crops tens to make the air quality even worse at this time of year, along with all the usual pollution drivers like cars and industrial emissions and the burning of garbage. According to India's pollution control board, Delhi's air quality index in the first two weeks of October was worse than the same period in 2018 and 2019. Environmentalists say the government needs to be more proactive. VIMLENDU JHA, ENVIRONMENTALIST: Delhi's air is not only polluted for these three months. Delhi has a bad air day for almost 250 days out of 365 days and therefore, we cannot wake up only in the month of October and think of a solution. We have to think of a solution which is 365 days or for the next five years. SUD: Medical experts have expressed concern over the impact of rising air pollution levels during the pandemic. DR. RANDEEP GULERIA, DIRECTOR AIIMS (ph): There are studies which have looked at a correlation between the rising levels of pollution and COVID-19 cases. And these studies tend to show that if there is one unit rise in tm 2.5, you can have a significant increase in the number of COVID-19 cases. SUD: With no immediate solution in sight, it is a double whammy for the people of Delhi and bordering states. They are now banking on these masks not only to avoid contracting the virus, but critical respiratory illnesses as well. Vedika Sud, CNN -- New Delhi. VAUSE: Well, the biggest legal challenge to the big tech in more than two decades. When we come back, the Justice Department claims Google is acting illegally to try and crush the competition.

Witnesses Say Nigerian Forces Opened Fire on Protesters: India Struggles with COVID-19 and Pollution Crises

Zeugen sagen, nigerianische Streitkräfte hätten das Feuer auf Demonstranten eröffnet: Indien kämpft mit COVID-19 und Umweltverschmutzungskrisen

目击者称尼日利亚军队向抗议者开火：印度在与新冠病毒和污染危机中挣扎

KING: We count votes 13 nights from now. We will start filling in this map as your votes are recorded. And as we watch this map fill in, we will be guided by this map, the map that made Donald Trump president. One reason he is president is he flipped Michigan from blue to red. One reason he flipped it from blue to red is because here even though Hillary Clinton won in Wayne County, home of Detroit, that number looks great, 67 percent of the vote. That number 519,000 votes was not high enough, was not high enough, turnout was down. In this pandemic age many people in the city especially in the African American community worried that people are tired from the pandemic will they turn out? Well, one woman has made it a personal mission to make sure Detroit voters don't sit this out. Kate Bolduan has more. WENDY CALDWELL-LIDDELL, FOUNDER, MOBILIZE DETROIT: OK. So we're saying you don't -- you aren't registered. So, let's get you registered, OK? I think that the apathy has just grown and has just become so pervasive in our communities, because people are just trying to survive that we have to get back to empowering people. Let's cycle back this way. KATE BOLDUAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Twenty-nine-year-old Wendy Caldwell-Liddell is a woman with no shortage of energy. CALDWELL-LIDDELL: Hey, did she talk to you already? BOLDUAN (voice-over): She doesn't work for any campaign, but since August, she says she's spent three days a week every week between her full-time job and taking care of two kids using that energy to try and convince fellow Detroiters their vote matters. CALDWELL-LIDDELL: At this point, this is our survival now. What happens politically is a part of our survival and there is no escaping that. BOLDUAN (on camera): Ten thousand seven hundred and four, what does that number mean to you? CALDWELL-LIDDELL: Is that how many votes Trump won by? BOLDUAN: That's exactly how many votes. CALDWELL-LIDDELL: So that number. It hurts. It hurts. BOLDUAN (voice-over): Wayne County, which includes Detroit, went for Hillary Clinton by a wide margin in 2016. But she got about 76,000 fewer votes there than Obama did in 2012. Remember, Trump won the entire state by just 10,704 votes. BOLDUAN: (on camera): Are you voting for Joe Biden or are you more voting against Donald Trump? CALDWELL-LIDDELL: Eighty percent against Donald Trump, 20 percent for Joe Biden. I would say that. BOLDUAN: What does that mean? CALDWELL-LIDDELL: It means that I know that as a voter and as a black woman that there's a job that I have to do in order to get a representative who will come close to protecting my people in office. But I am not necessarily excited about having another representative there who, really, does not inherently understand the needs of our community. BOLDUAN (voice-over): Markita Blanchard, like Wendy, has lived in Detroit her whole life. But at 63 years old, she sees the choice this election a bit differently. MARKITA BLANCHARD, BIDEN SUPPORTER: I'm 100 percent voting for Biden. BOLDUAN (on camera): Does Biden make you excited? BLANCHARD: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, he does. His enthusiasm, his past record, it's like a charge. BOLDUAN: President Trump says often that he has done more for the black community -- BLANCHARD: That's -- go ahead. BOLDUAN: No, I don't even need to finish. BLANCHARD: He is full of -- you know what I'm saying? He has not done nothing. I've had people say, well, he's not my president. I didn't vote. I said well, did you vote at all. They say no, I didn't vote. I say, if you did not vote, you did vote for him. BOLDUAN (voice-over): Amber Davis is one of those Detroiters who voted for Obama in 2012, then didn't vote at all in 2016. (on camera): Why didn't you vote in 2016? AMBER DAVIS, DETROIT RESIDENT: I don't want Trump, and I don't want Hillary. I didn't really care who won that election. BOLDUAN: So, what's your plan this election? DAVIS: I don't like Biden, but I'm voting for Biden. This coronavirus, everything that's going on is just horrible. So, he's got to go. BOLDUAN: One path to flipping Michigan blue again and a critical pursuit of the Biden campaign is getting those voters who sat out four years ago to show up this time. And a sign the Trump campaign knows this, it has an office right down the road from the Democrats specifically targeting black voters in Detroit. How unusual is that to see, forget Trump, but a Republican presidential campaign opened an office in the west side of Detroit. MARY SHEFFIELD, DETROIT CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT PRO TEM: I've never seen it. I've never seen it ever, ever before. BOLDUAN: But what does it tell you? SHEFFIELD: The importance of not only Michigan but Detroit in the black vote because the parties -- both parties need us, really. CALDWELL-LIDDELL: Are you going to help me? BOLDUAN: Everyone always talks about on T.V., always talk about how black women are the backbone of the Democratic Party. CALDWELL-LIDDELL: We are. We are. Black women are the backbone. BOLDUAN: Do you think the Democratic Party takes you for granted? CALDWELL-LIDDELL: Absolutely. Absolutely they take us for granted because they know that black women are going to help them get the big wins they need where it matters, but they also know that they can give us the bare minimum knowing that we aren't going to choose the other side. BOLDUAN: What does that say about the country? CALDWELL-LIDDELL: It says we've still got a long way to go when the backbone of the country is the most neglected. KING: Fantastic piece from Kate Bolduan. Let's continue the conversation now with Erin Keith, she's a social justice attorney and a Michigan Democratic voter. It's good to see you again, Erin. So Wendy, in that piece there said she's 80 percent against Trump, 20 percent for Biden. Where are you? ERIN KEITH, SOCIAL JUSTICE ATTORNEY: Well, I think quite frankly, one of the things that I've been thinking about is that I don't have to necessarily agree with Biden philosophically on every issue in order to stand with him against Islamophobia, racism, xenophobia, sexism. So I think similar to Wendy, I probably am voting against Trump, but also for a lot of things that I believe in. KING: And so I want to put up the numbers again, Kate talked about them in that excellent piece. If you go back to Wayne County four years ago, this is what I do on election nights, I count votes. You see the margin there. Hillary Clinton got 519,000 plus votes. That was great. It was almost 67 percent of the vote. But if you look at Obama, 2012 and Obama 2008, the numbers went down every time, right? She lost the state by 10,704 votes, there are 76,000 fewer voters, 76,000 fewer people in Wayne County voted Democrat for president in 2016 than did in 2012. I know the population has shrunk a little bit so maybe you could take 10 or 12,000 votes, 15,000 votes there. But what happened? Why was the turnout not there in the community for Hillary Clinton? And do you believe it will be different this time? KEITH: Absolutely. So I definitely think it will be different this time. For starters, we are living through a completely different social construct. We are living through a completely different moment in American history. Speaking of Detroit, specifically, I don't think people who didn't come out and vote in 2016 could have anticipated that their failure to vote would lead to a pandemic, where many of their neighbors, many of the people in their communities literally would lose their lives. And so I think that that makes a huge difference in terms of why people come out and vote. I also think having Kamala Harris on the ticket helps a great deal. I think the Biden, you know, administration knew what they were doing when they selected her to be his vice presidential running mate. So I think those things will definitely mobilize voters in our city. KING: So you have, as you say, maybe a mobilization people in the African American community thinking this President has not served us well in this pandemic. And then compare that though you also have the safety concerns of people, especially older, you've seen the health care disparities of the pandemic. What is your sense of the early voting and the attitudes for voting, the accessibility of voting in the community? Is it where it needs to be? And do you see turnout in the early days where you feel more comfortable? KEITH: Absolutely, I think I've seen more people early voting this around than I've ever seen in the history of the time that I've been voting since I was 18 years old. I can definitely speak to the fact that there are limitations. Certain people in our community may not feel safe. But I personally have seen the lines long. I've had friends reach out to me about local candidates who are they're interested in voting for and asking questions about different proposals on the ballot. They're doing their research. So I think that not only are people going to come out in droves to vote Trump out, but they're coming out in droves, because again, they care about these issues that are happening in our community, and they realize they are reinvigorated to vote because of Donald Trump and because of voting him out. KING: Erin Keith, it's good to see you again. And we'll keep in touch as we go through the remarkable 13 days before us and maybe a few more accountable. Erin, thanks so much. Appreciate it. KEITH: Absolutely. Thanks for having me. KING: Coming up for us, a global perspective on the coronavirus, Ireland goes under a strict lockdown midnight, tonight.

Mobilizing Black Voters In Michigan Key For 2020 Election.

Mobilisierung schwarzer Wähler in Michigan ist Schlüssel für die Wahlen 2020.

2020年美国大选胜负关键，在于动员密歇根州黑人选民。

SCIUTTO: While, the White House and Speaker Pelosi are working on a stimulus deal for millions of Americans, many of them desperately need it, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell seems to be on a different page here. Remarkable disagreement within the Republican Party, Poppy. HARLOW: That's right. Manu Raju is on Capitol Hill with more. Good morning, Manu. Getting my words screwed up here this morning. So we just saw the majority whip James Clyburn on, and here is what he said about the timeline, he thinks, for a deal. Listen. REP. JAMES CLYBURN (D-SC): The election is less than two weeks away, and I believe we'll be back in Washington a week or two after the elections, and we can do something there. At least the elections will be behind us. People will know what their futures are. HARLOW: What are you hearing, Manu? MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's similar to what I'm hearing. It just seems highly unlikely that any deal could be passed certainly through both chambers of Congress, before Election Day, not only because of major disagreements between the Republicans and the White House but also the details are still yet to be sorted out between Pelosi and the Trump administration. Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, is having a phone call today with policy staff of Speaker Pelosi's, also Meadows is expected to speak to some Republicans.

Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Casts Doubt on Stimulus Deal as Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), White House Continue Talks.

Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) bezweifelt ein Konjunkturprogramm, während die Abgeordnete Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) die Gespräche mit dem Weißen Haus fortsetzt.

参议员米奇·麦康奈尔（肯塔基州共和党）对刺激方案提出质疑，众议院众议员南希·佩洛西（加利福尼亚州民主党）继续谈判。

ROMANS: A stunning shift at the Vatican. Pope Francis becoming the first-ever pontiff to endorse same-sex civil unions. CNN's Delia Gallagher live in Rome with the details. Tell us about the thinking. This was in a documentary that debuted. It would signal a shift, really, in church thinking. DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's right, absolutely. This came out last night in a documentary that premiered here in Rome. Let's take a look at what the Pope said in that documentary, according to the Catholic News Agency. He said, "Homosexual people have a right to be in a family. They're children of God and have a right to a family. What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered." Now, as you can imagine, this has been met with both praise and criticism by some Christine because it is a change from the position of the Pope's predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI, who were against legalizing same-sex unions. However, Francis, in the past, has expressed an openness to legal protections for same-sex couples even though he's made a distinction between that and marriage, which he says should be between a man and a woman. Nonetheless, these are really important comments coming from the Pope because it's the first time he's directly supporting legalization of same-sex unions. We should mention that these were comments, of course, made in a film so we don't have yet any official document from the Pope or the Vatican on this topic. So we'll have to wait and see how this develops -- Christine. ROMANS: All right, Delia Gallagher for us in Rome. Fascinating -- thanks. JARRETT: All right. Senate Democrats on the Judiciary Committee plan to boycott a key hearing today expected to advance Judge Amy Coney Barrett's Supreme Court nomination. They say they'll fill the seats with pictures of people affected by Obamacare to stress that Judge Barrett would be a threat to the law. The GOP has been accused of rushing to confirm a justice who President Trump has said he hopes would help sway the election if it should end up in court. Senate Republicans are also defending Barrett against a report about her time on the board of a private Christian school system. The Associated Press reports that the school has anti-LGBTQ policies. ROMANS: All right. Purdue Pharma agreeing to a kind of corporate death penalty for its role in creating the country's opioid crisis. The company, which made billions of dollars as the crisis worsened, will plead guilty to federal criminal charges and pay more than $8 billion. The company will shut down. The DEA says the devastating ripple effect of Purdue's actions left lives lost and others addicted. Purdue's assets will be used to create a non-profit trust that will continue to make OxyContin and overdose rescue drugs. The earnings will ultimately be used to combat opioid addiction. JARRETT: Rare to see a company face criminal charges there. Well, archeologists in Oklahoma searching for the victims of the 1921 Tulsa massacre say they found a mass grave. They also found at least one set of human remains on-site there at the cemetery. So far, they haven't been able to confirm that the remains are actually the massacre victims but the state archaeologist says that she's confident that they're looking in the right place. Hundreds of African-Americans were killed in the massacre when a white mob looted and burned down what was then known as Black Wall Street. ROMANS: All right, just about 52 minutes past the hour this Thursday morning. Losses for markets around the world. You can see Asian shares closed mixed. Europe opened lower. And on Wall Street, looking at futures -- right now, futures are leaning lower. Stocks closed down Wednesday. The Dow fell 99 points. No stimulus -- 98 points -- no stimulus deal yet and hopes fading there. Also, this report from the Federal Reserve, known as the Beige Book, found the economic recovery is slowing and said the jobs picture is confusing. On one hand, you have more layoffs by some companies, but other companies report they can't find workers because there's not child care and there are concerns about people's health. The S&P 500 and the Nasdaq also closed down. In just a few hours, we'll get another look at layoffs -- another weekly jobless claims report. Figures expected to show a small decline in claims but still well above pre-pandemic levels. Tesla thriving during the pandemic and vows to sell half a million cars this year. Tesla reported a net income of $874 million, nearly double its second-quarter profit. There were doubts, of course, Tesla could achieve its 500,000 goal given its California plant was temporarily shut down when the pandemic began. It has delivered 319,000 cars in the first three quarters of this year. Tesla's stock, by the way, continues to deliver. It's up an astonishing 405 percent this year. Much like its content, Quibi didn't last very long. The short-form video app is shutting down just six months after it launched. This was a major initiative backed by some of Hollywood's most powerful people like Jeffrey Katzenberg and Meg Whitman, but the company struggled after launching during the pandemic in a very crowded streaming market. Quibi plans to return the remaining cash to investors and look for buyers for its assets. JARRETT: Well, here's an extraordinary move by a pro-sports franchise. The Seattle Storm of the WNBA is endorsing the Biden-Harris ticket. Now you don't often see sports teams endorse candidates but the Storm has sort of done this before. Over the summer, they backed a Democratic opponent of Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler, who co-owns the WNBA's Atlanta Dream. The Storm has also supported Black Lives Matter. By contrast, NFL legend Brett Favre asked President Trump during a town hall how pro sports should promote an anti-racism position without alienating fans and losing ratings. ROMANS: All right. Coming to a Sam's Club near you, robot janitors. The big-box chain deploying nearly 400 autonomous floor scrubbers to its stores during the pandemic. Hundreds are already in place at Sam's Club locations but now there will be a robot in every store nationwide. Walmart, which owns Sam's Club, is partnering with the company Brain Corp on the robot technology. JARRETT: It makes you wonder what that means for the jobs there, though, right? ROMANS: Absolutely, but it's -- you know, it's also about the safety of workers as well. JARRETT: Yes. ROMANS: You need to deploy people to do other things if you don't have them doing that. All right, enjoy the debate tonight, everybody. Thanks for joining us. I'm Christine Romans. JARRETT: I'm Laura Jarrett. "NEW DAY" is next.

Pope Francis Endorses Same-Sex Civil Unions.

Papst Franziskus befürwortet gleichgeschlechtliche Lebensgemeinschaften.

教皇弗朗西斯批准同性结婚。

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: But one notable exception remains the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, who, for months, has remained in isolation, essentially inside a bubble -- Brianna. BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: All right, Fred, thank you for that report. And our special coverage continues now with Jake Tapper. JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: Welcome to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. And we begin today with our 2020 lead. In a matter of just hours, we're going to see the final presidential debate of this presidential election, just 12 days ahead of Election Day. It's one of the last opportunities for President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden to make their closing arguments to American voters. And while Biden has been off the trail, we're told, preparing for the debate, President Trump has been holding big rallies across the country, potential coronavirus super-spreader events, health officials say, and shunning formal debate prep. We're learning key new details of the candidates' strategies. After the president's frequent interruptions in the first debate, a performance a renowned psychiatrist called emotionally abusive, Trump advisers are pleading with President Trump to be less combative this time. The nonpartisan Debate Commission says it will mute candidates microphones during some portions of the debate tonight. Team Biden officials say they're preparing the Democratic nominee for all sorts of Trump tactics, from frequent interruptions to once again going after members of the Biden family. Even if a theoretically muted mic means that those outside the arena at Belmont University in Nashville cannot hear what the president is saying, advisers are telling President Trump if he's able to lower the temperature and appear less angry, he may come across more likable and be able to win over women voters and seniors. Let's get right to CNN's Jeremy Diamond. He's live outside the White House for us. So, Jeremy, so far, the president does not seem to be lowering the temperature in any way. He's been out there attacking Lesley Stahl from "60 Minutes," pushing forward whatever right-wing media folks are pushing today. JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Jake. And all the while the president is being encouraged to avoid much of the angry bulldozer-like behavior that we saw from presidents in that first presidential debate. And we already know from the polls that much of that behavior was turning off some potential undecided voters, which is why the president's advisers are urging him to try and lower the temperature. Now, we know that the Debate Commission has already taken care of part of the problem, which was the constant interruptions, by muting the microphones during the candidates' uninterrupted talk time. But the president's aides are also making clear that a lot of this is going to be on the president himself. And what they are urging him to do, besides trying to lower the temperature, is to use self- deprecating humor, which they think is one of the ways that the president kind of comes off the best to voters. Of course, the president has seemed receptive to some of that, Jake, in these private sessions. But it's not being reflected in the hours ahead of the debate. What we have seen from the president is these constant attacks against the debate moderator, Kristen Welker, from NBC News. He has been on this very strange, constant barrage of attacks against "60 Minutes." And he's also complaining about the debate rules being unfair, when he's talking about the microphones being muted. But, ultimately, it seems the president has a trump card, according to his communications director, Alyssa Farah, who said that the president, if he doesn't like the questions, ultimately, he's just going to answer the question that he would have liked to have received. TAPPER: What better way to win over women voters than by attacking two women journalists who are held in very high esteem, Kristen Welker and Lesley Stahl? We also got a preview of what President Trump will likely say about the economy, which is an issue where his advisers, his aides want him to focus on. How is that going to hold up? DIAMOND: Well, look, Jake, much of the president's closing message so far has been counterfactual, has been about denying the reality of the surge of coronavirus cases that we are seeing across the country, holding these rallies with thousands of people, despite what we are seeing in terms of case numbers rising, more than 1,100 people dead yesterday -- just yesterday. And the president is also trying to claim that, if it were not for the coronavirus, the U.S. would have the best economy in its history. Listen to what he told "60 Minutes." LESLEY STAHL, CBS NEWS ANCHOR: Let me ask you what you think your biggest domestic priority is for you right now. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, ultimately, let me -- and I will tell you, it was happening. We created the greatest economy in the history of our country. And the other side was coming in-- STAHL: You know that -- you know that's not true. TRUMP: It is totally true. STAHL: No. TRUMP: Virtually every number was the best. DIAMOND: And Lesley Stahl is correct to point out that that is simply not true. While the economy was in a strong position before the coronavirus hit the United States and the rest of the world, it was not the best economy in history by a number of metrics, whether you look at GDP growth, or whether you look at wage growth. This was not the best economy in history. But I think you can expect, Jake, that the president will continue to make that claim. The question is, will he be fact-checked or will he be confronted by former Vice President Joe Biden when he makes those kinds of claims tonight, Jake? TAPPER: Yes, I mean, the economy was strong before coronavirus, but now we're living with coronavirus. It's almost irrelevant. Jeremy Diamond, thanks so much. Moments ago, we heard from Joe Biden as he boarded the plane to head to tonight's debate. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hopefully, he's going to play by the rules. Hopefully, everybody's been tested. Hopefully, it's all worked out, the way the rules are. I'm looking forward to this. Thank you. TAPPER: The Biden campaign says that the candidate's strategy tonight is simple, to speak directly to the American people and highlight his plans for getting the nation through the coronavirus pandemic. CNN's Arlette Saenz is live for us outside the debate site in Nashville. Arlette, walk us through exactly how the Biden team is approaching this debate. ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Well, Jake, Joe Biden is expected tonight to keep his focus on the issues that are top of mind for American voters. The campaign says that he will be talking about COVID-19 and the economy. But he is also fully bracing for those personal attacks from President Trump, as we saw play out during that first debate. They have been preparing the former vice president for the possibility that the president once again goes after his son Hunter Biden, as Republicans have tried to do over the course of the past few days, as this election nears its end. And deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield just a short while ago said that, if the president does bring up some of these attacks against Hunter Biden, that this is essentially amplifying Russian disinformation. They don't believe that Biden will take the bait and go after the president's own children during these types of exchanges, instead trying to shift the focus back to the American family and those issues relating to COVID-19 and the economy. Now, one area that President Trump could try to take issue with, with Biden is this question about expanding the Supreme Court. It's a question that Biden has dodged for several weeks, but he did offer a bit of a new answer in an interview with "60 Minutes." Take a listen to that clip. BIDEN: If elected, what I will do is, I will put together a national commission of -- bipartisan commission of scholars, constitutional scholars, Democrats, Republicans, liberal, conservative, and I will ask them to over 180 days come back to me with recommendations as to how to reform the court system, because it's getting out of whack, the way in which it's being handled. SAENZ: And Biden said that that commission won't just focus on the issue of expanding the Supreme Court, but also other reforms to the court system. Now, on that debate stage tonight, there will be moments where the microphone is muted, but the Biden campaign is fully prepared for the president to continue on with his interruptions, the possibility that the former vice president might be hearing the president when speaking when people at home might not hear those interruptions. They have been preparing him for those moments trying to ensure that he is not entirely distracted by the president. You heard the former vice president, as he was leaving, saying he hopes that the president adheres to the rules. He also talked about adhering to the rules when it comes to testing. One thing that we know is that Joe Biden tested negative for COVID-19 this morning. We have yet to hear if that has actually happened on the president's side just yet. But this is going to be that last opportunity on the debate stage for voters to get their glimpse, to fully gauge these two candidates up against each other 12 days out to the election. TAPPER: We still haven't heard if President Trump tested negative before the first debate, Arlette. Forget today's debate. TAPPER: All right, thanks so much appreciate it. In a hastily scheduled announcement, the country's top national security said that Russia and Iran have both obtained voter registration information that could be used to try and influence the U.S. election. Here's FBI Director Christopher Wray. CHRISTOPHER WRAY, FBI DIRECTOR: We have been working for years as a community to build resilience in our election infrastructure, and, today, that infrastructure remains resilient. You should be confident that your vote counts. Early unverified claims to the contrary should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism. TAPPER: And Alex Marquardt has more on all this. Alex, what were the specific warnings from these top national security officials? ALEX MARQUARDT, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jake, you're right. It goes beyond Russia and Iran just trying to meddle in this election to sow discord and spread disinformation. It's about specifically what they are doing. And this is the first time that the intelligence community and the FBI have said that voter registration information has been obtained by these countries. And it's less about just obtaining that data. That's actually not that difficult. It's what they're doing with it. And what the officials said last night is that Iran has been sending out thousands of e-mails to voters, threatening e-mails to voters that make them look like they're coming from the far right pro-Trump group the Proud Boys. I just want to show you one example of one of these e-mails that's been sent out just to show you what voters are receiving. The subject line: "Vote for Trump, or else." And then: "We are in possession of all of your information, e-mail, address, telephone, everything. You will vote for Trump on Election Day, or we will come after you." So some very threatening e-mails there, Jake. Listen to what John Ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence, had to say about what he called these spoofed e-mails from Iran. JOHN RATCLIFFE, U.S. DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE: We would like to alert the public that we have identified that two foreign actors, Iran and Russia, have taken specific actions to influence public opinion relating to our elections. We have already seen Iran sending spoofed e-mails designed to intimidate voters, incite social unrest, and damage President Trump. MARQUARDT: And, Jake, it is that last part about damaging President Trump that's raising a lot of eyebrows. The intelligence community has said that Iran would work to undermine President Trump in this election. It is unclear how these e-mails do that, because they are going after people who would be voting presumably against President Trump. And then, when you listen to the press conference in its entirety, there's very little emphasis on Russia, when experts and officials say that Russia is really the primary actor when it comes to meddling in this election in terms of impact, trying to denigrate the former Vice President Joe Biden in favor of President Trump -- Jake. TAPPER: Yes, all right. Alex Marquardt, thanks so much. There's a new timeline for the release of a coronavirus vaccine, when it could be available to all Americans -- that story next. And just-released polls on the presidential race, do they change the potential paths to 270 for either candidate? Stick around.

Biden, Trump Set For Final Debate.

Biden, Trump bereit für die letzte Debatte.

拜登和特朗普将举行最后一场辩论。

POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR, NEWSROOM: Well, loyal Trump and Biden supporters, they gathered for watch parties as their candidates hit the debate stage last night. SCIUTTO: CNN correspondent Elle Reeve, she watched with Trump supporters. What did you hear? ELLE REEVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, before the debate, they told us they wanted it to be more civil. But during the debate, they cheered like it was a professional wrestling match. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trump 2020, baby, Trump 2020. REEVE (voice-over): We're in a baseball stadium called the The Corn Crib in a town called Normal, Illinois, where hundreds of Trump supporters have gathered to watch the debate at an event hosted by the local Republican Party. CONNIE BEARD, CHAIRMAN, MCLEAN COUNTY REPUBLICAN PARTY: This event has sort of snowballed. We have our McLean County Republican tent (ph), of course, and our little Trump store. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you go. BEARD: We have a raffle for a semiautomatic shotgun that is apparently very popular. KENNY MOREAU, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I just like the no-bullshit attitude of, hey, I want to make America great. I don't understand what the problem is of trying to bring everyone up in America to do good things. REEVE: But is it no bullshit to have only paid, like, $750 in taxes? MOREAU: And here's the deal, is that I would love to be able to comment on that. I don't know. And it's one of those situations where you and I can both sit here and say if we made that kind of money, you know that you're going to play the tax game. It's set there for millionaires to be able to play this game. REEVE: But would you want him to change it so that millionaires couldn't play that game? MOREAU: Yes. In the grand scheme of things, it would be great. REEVE: How do you think it's going so far? PAUL BROWN, TRUMP SUPPORTER: As I expected it to go. Mr. Joe Biden is talking a lot of trash and lies, he's not being truthful with the American people. REEVE: Well like, what made you cheer? Do you remember a moment? BROWN: I guess when President Trump was talking about bringing out the details with the Biden crime family. REEVE: So like when Trump was hitting him hard? BROWN: Yes, oh yes. REEVE: Have you ever watched a debate in a crowd like this before? BROWN: Not like this, no. It's pretty cool (ph). REEVE: Well, what do you think about it? BROWN: I love it. REEVE: Is there a moment that made you cheer? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Everything that's coming out about how -- about Hunter Biden's computer, that was the -- I saw that as a grand slam. REEVE: How do you think the debate went tonight? JEANIE QUIRAM, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Great, he's absolutely wonderful, Trump nailed him. REEVE: Well, what was your favorite moment? QUIRAM: Just all of it. I thought it was absolute -- the best debate by far, and it was great. Trump 2020, look at this baby, there he is. DAWN NOWLIN, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I was really glad he brought up all the Biden, Hunter e-mails. REEVE: OK. NOWLIN: Or the -- excuse me, Hunter Biden e-mails, let's -- REEVE: Yes. NOWLIN: -- get that right. Honestly, I wish he would have been slightly more aggressive. JOHN T. GRIFFIN, TRUMP SUPPORTER: oh, John (ph), I saw my number, way up in the middle of the air. Amen. Right? REEVE: Yes, that was pretty good. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four more years! Four more years! UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Four more years! Four more years! REEVE: And now to CNN's Jason Carroll, with a view from the Biden side. JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Minutes after the debate ended, a group of Democratic supporters who had gathered for a socially distanced, backyard watch party in the Mount Airy section of Philadelphia, were ready to weigh in with their verdict. CARROLL: Who felt as though Vice President Joe Biden met or exceeded your expectation during the debate? Show of hands. DAMON WALKER, BIDEN SUPPORTER: Four more years of Trump is not going to work in America. CARROLL (voice-over): Damon Walker, a correctional officer and father of four, agrees with Jasmine Schley, who says some of Vice President Biden's best moments came when he addressed the COVID-19 pandemic. JASMINE SCHLEY, BIDEN SUPPORTER: When he talked about the families who have died because of coronavirus, it shows his humanity. And that's one thing that you never hear President Trump mention. He talks about the economy, he talks about his poll numbers but he never takes the time to acknowledge the suffering of Americans. WALKER: I believe he did what he needed to do. He answered all the questions, and he stated the facts. He didn't veer off-point. MACK DUNCAN, BIDEN SUPPORTER: He answered the questions, he had a plan, he explained it. That's it. CARROLL (voice-over): In this predominantly African-American middle- class community, residents such as Billie Jo McKinney, a mom of five including a young son, says Biden's answer on race in America made an impact. BILLIE JO MCKINNEY, BIDEN SUPPORTER: He showed compassion for all races. And the story about him saying that he's never had to teach his daughter about putting her hands on the wheel, that's a big deal for me because I'm going to have to teach my 6-year-old that. And that's painful. CARROLL (voice-over): Also important for people like McKinney and Walker -- who, again, is a correctional officer -- was to hear Biden's response to his past support of crime bills that resulted in high rates of incarcerating African-Americans for petty drug offenses. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: It was a mistake. WALKER: He answered the question by first apologizing. MCKINNEY: He took accountability and he apologized immediately, something we have not seen from our current administration. CARROLL (voice-over): Biden scored points on character and integrity with the group after hearing what he would say to those who do not support him. BRIAN CLINTON, PHILADELPHIA MAYOR'S OFFICE: Joe Biden, when he said it's human decency, American values are on the ballot in November. I thought that really spoke to me. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Trump didn't answer that at all. CARROLL (voice-over): The watch party organized by City Councilwoman Cherelle Parker, a Democrat who says beyond tonight's performance, it's Biden the candidate who will ultimately drive supporters to the polls. CHERELLE PARKER, PHILADELPHIA COUNCILWOMAN: One of the things that I like about Joe Biden the most is what you see is what you get. And people from all walks of life know that they want a steady leader. CARROLL: so a couple of quick points, a number of folks that we talked to said that they had already voted, so it shows you just how much interest there is here in this state. It's very clear from the folks that we spoke to that Biden did what he needed to do to energize urban voters. Tomorrow, Biden's going to be out on the campaign in places like Bucks County, Pennsylvania, trying to energize suburban voters. Again, this is a state that Democrats lost in 2016. They don't want to see a repeat this go-around -- Poppy, Jim. SCIUTTO: Yes, the battle there for Democrats is all about building a big lead in those urban, suburban areas to counteract the disadvantage in the rural areas. Jason Carroll, also Elle Reeve, thanks very much. Thanks to you, we'll be right back.

Biden and Trump Supporters Happy with Final Debate

Biden- und Trump-Anhänger Zufrieden mit der Abschlussdebatte

拜登和特朗普支持者均很满意其最后辩论

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): This is CNN breaking news. KIM BRUNHUBER, CNN HOST (voice-over): Hello and welcome to CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Kim Brunhuber. For the first time since the pandemic began, more than 80,000 Americans were diagnosed with COVID-19 in a single day. Not only is that a record, it easily eclipses the worst days of July, when new cases topped 70,000 a day. This upward trend has been building steadily since early September and the U.S. surgeon general warns that the country can expect new daily records in the coming days as the virus spreads unchecked from Maine to California. Only 13 states, you can see them there on the map in yellow, are holding steady, compared to last week. And Nebraska, Arkansas and Mississippi are showing modest improvement. Now this new surge is putting an enormous strain on America's health care system. At least eight states are reporting their highest hospitalizations to date. For the first time since mid-August, the number of people being treated for COVID has topped 40,000 nationwide. Unless behavior changes quickly, forecasters say the U.S. death toll could reach 1 million by the end of February. And now the country's top infectious disease official says it may be time to make face masks mandatory. DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: If everyone agrees that this is something that is important and they mandate, it and everyone pulls together and say, we will mandate it but let's just do it, I think that would be a great idea, to have everyone do it uniformly. One of the issues, though, I get the argument, saying, if you mandate a mask, then you will then have to enforce, it and that creates more of a problem. Well, if people are not wearing masks, then maybe we should be mandating it. BRUNHUBER: Two converging issues threaten to accelerate the spread the coronavirus. Indoor activities brought on by colder weather and the upcoming holidays, when friends and family traditionally get together. Dr. Fauci says people need to be more vigilant than ever. FAUCI: The reason I am particularly concerned, as we get deeper into the cooler months of the fall and the cold months of the winter, that activities, out of necessity, will have to be done indoors. And that is going to be a problem. So that is the reason why, I say, we really need to double down on the kind of public health measures that we've been talking about so long. Whenever I talk about amplify and just stressing the public health measures, people think that that means we're going to shut down. It doesn't mean that. It means there are some fundamental things you can do -- universal mask wearing, keeping a distance, avoiding congregate and crowded sessions -- sections, particularly indoors -- and wash your hands as often as you possibly can. They sound very simple but we're not uniformly doing that. And so that is the reason why, as much as I can, essentially plead with the American public to please take these things seriously. We can turn it around. BRUNHUBER: During Thursday night's debate, American voters were able to see the stark differences Biden and Donald Trump toward the pandemic and those divergent views were on full display. Take a listen as they addressed the simple issue of face masks. TRUMP: You got to lead your life. And you know what? Some people want to stay in and that's good, do it, do it. You know, I'm sort of like, lead your life, right? And some people agree with me, some people. TRUMP: But if you want to stay in, if you want to do what you're doing, do it. If you want to get out, you want to be careful, and socially distance and all of the things, you could wear a mask if you can't socially distance, there's a lot of things you can do. But some people want to stay in and that's OK. JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I will go to every governor and mandate mask-wearing in their states. If they refuse, I will go to the mayors and county executives and get local masking requirements in place nationwide. As president, I will mandate mask-wearing in all federal buildings and all interstate transportation because masks save lives, period. BRUNHUBER: Positive developments for two COVID-19 trials in the U.S. AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson paused their trials when there were illnesses. But the Food and Drug Administration greenlit AstraZeneca preparations to resume tests after determination its vaccine candidate was safe. Meanwhile, Johnson & Johnson said a study found no clear cause for its participant's illness. The company says preparations to restart are underway but couldn't say when the trial would resume. To discuss the resurgence of coronavirus crisis we're seeing in the U.S. and Europe, let's talk to Dr. Clare Wenham, who teaches global health policy. Thank you very much for being here with us. Here in the U.S., the number of people hospitalized with the coronavirus has risen by 40 percent. The president is trying to convince us that the country is rounding the corner, when that is clearly not the case. From a public health perspective, how does that denial of reality have on a country and its residents to fight the virus? DR. CLARE WENHAM, LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS AND POLITICAL SCIENCE: I think it's concerning. If the president is putting out messages that people don't have to worry about it any more and that it's almost over, that's sending the wrong message. In Europe, we're in a second peak. In the U.S., numbers are going up, as well, as you said, so we need people to take it seriously, wear your mask, socially distance, work at home where you can. All these things add up. And the evidence around this is increasing every day. So to have a political leader saying you don't need to do these things, it's a dangerous precedent. The numbers will go up even further. BRUNHUBER: We mentioned masks. Dr. Fauci says it may be time to call for a mask mandate. Is there any evidence that mask mandates generally work? WENHAM: So I think anything we can do to get people to wear more masks is a good thing. It hasn't been politicized as much in Europe as it has in the U.S. Why not get people to listen and take this seriously? We know wearing masks reduces the transmission. Why wouldn't you do everything within your power to reduce transmission of this disease and stop people dying? BRUNHUBER: Yes. As you said, much of this is political. The cases are rising here. And in the U.K. where you are. We're seeing field hospitals, national shutdowns, curfews, school closings. How did we get here again? WENHAM: That is a really good question. We always knew there were going to be second waves as we started to come out of lockdown. Lockdown isn't the silver bullet. Lockdown just places pauses on everybody. We knew we were going to see more. But a lot of places didn't use that time, the last six months, to build up a trace and isolation system to allow us to go back to living normally. In the ideal world, you're going to ask those people who have got the infection to stay at home and everyone else can go back to some semblance of normality. The problem is systems aren't in place, people are not listening and not following the guidance and not staying at home when they've been asked to. So we're at a critical juncture to try and make sure we get the systems in place and make sure we get that risk communication right to people so they understand why they're staying at home and that they try to follow that guidance. BRUNHUBER: And that is what the WHO has said. We're seeing some countries go back into lockdown. Wales, for instance. Are broader lockdowns inevitable? WENHAM: I don't think anyone wants to get back into a lockdown. However, I don't see in the U.K., for example, how we're going to do it any other way. And effectively, we're in the tier system here in the U.K. But those levels of restrictions keep increasing every day. So I think eventually we will end up here in a more broader lockdown and elsewhere in Europe as well. And I think it's sort of inevitable because people haven't got the systems in place and people aren't being compliant with the guidance they're being given. So I don't really see another way out. BRUNHUBER: I'm sure that's not what many of our viewers want to hear. But thank you very much. Dr. Clare Wenham, thank you. As COVID-19 cases soar in the U.S., many schools are opting for virtual learning. It was announced on Friday, in Seattle, Washington, most students will continue classes at home for at least the next three months. And now the city of Boston is closing its public schools to in-person learning. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was at the opening day of school October 1st. It was the first time many of these young people were in school since back in March. And making that decision was probably one of the hardest decisions I've had to make since the coronavirus pandemic began here. BRUNHUBER: Boston will continue to give out thousands of meals a day to students who need them. There's just over a week to go before the U.S. presidential election. Both candidates are burning up the campaign trail and both are talking about COVID-19 but obviously in very different ways. Plus, we'll show you how governments in Europe are stepping up restrictions as coronavirus cases soar. Stay with us.

U.S. Reports One-Day High, over 83,000 COVID-19 Infections

USA melden Tageshöchststand, über 83.000 COVID-19-Infektionen

美国报告单日最高数据，超过8万3千人确诊新冠肺炎

SMERCONISH: That's a live shot in West Palm Beach, Florida, crowds gathering in anticipation of President Trump casting his Florida ballot in person. When he does, we'll bring it to you live. President Obama was in Philadelphia this week. BARACK OBAMA, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You don't have to wait for November 3rd to cast your ballot. You can vote from home with a mail-in ballot. Just go to IWillVote.com/PA to request your ballot right away and before you send it back, Pennsylvania's got this thing where you've got to use both envelopes. So you've got to read the directions carefully to make sure your vote counts. SMERCONISH: So taking my cue from President Obama, here's my mail-in Pennsylvania ballot. This is the first time that the commonwealth has allowed mailing in for people in a presidential election without an excuse for not voting in person, a decision that actually predated the pandemic. I've got to, you know, fill in the dots accurately and sign it and then put it inside the so-called "secrecy envelope," then place it inside this envelope and I'm worried, you know, that I'm going to get something wrong and for good reason. One less worry as of Friday is that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decided unanimously that county election officials can't throw out absentee ballots for signatures deemed not to match those on file. So in this case, I've got to sign the -- I've got to sign the exterior of the envelope, but where there was concern that there'd be a matching of signatures to what they have on file and some would then be tossed as a result, the effect of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ballot is to say there won't be that kind of signature. Frankly, it sets up a disconnect because if you vote in person, there will be a signature comparison, but not if you vote by mail and I'm sure that will continue to be a subject of controversy. In this election, unprecedented numbers of Americans are voting by mail, many for the first time, and there's still a good chance hundreds of thousands of them are going to get something wrong. Could this have a significant impact on the outcome? In the 2016 presidential election, 318,728 mail-in ballots were rejected. In this year's primaries more than half a million mail-in ballots were rejected and not every state even kept track of that figure. Drill down on some of those numbers and it's troubling. For example, in Pennsylvania, President Trump only won the state in 2016 by 44,292. Well, in this year's primaries, 37,119 ballots were rejected. In Wisconsin, the President won by only 22,748. The number of ballots rejected in this year's Wisconsin primary was more than that, 23,196. In the crucial swing state of Florida, "Politico" found more than 35,500 vote-by-mail primary ballots didn't count because of missed deadlines or technical flaws. In this year's primary in New York City, over 400,000 absentee ballots were sent in and 84,000 of those were not counted, a whopping 21 percent. There's always been a disparity between the parties when it comes to utilizing mail-in ballots and it's even more accentuated this year. A recent Quinnipiac poll found that 69 percent of Biden voters expected to vote by mail compared to just 21 percent of Trump voters. That would explain why Democrats are in court in more than half the states fighting to extend deadlines and to waive witness and notary requirements. They also want voters to be given the chance to fix errors, they call that "curing," before their ballots are rejected, but different states have different rules and only 22 states allow voters to cure mail-in ballots once they've been sent in. In North Carolina, for instance, of the ballots needing fixing, 52 percent belong to Democrats compared with 21 percent for Republicans and although the state is 22.2 percent black, 31 percent of the ballots that need fixing are from voters who are African-American. As I've discussed before, the dominance of the Democratic mail-in vote will likely create a blue shift that will increase Joe Biden's vote in the days following the final day of voting. In a recent piece in "The New York Times" titled "Mail Ballots are Already Being Rejected. Guess Whose," the answer is young voters, black and Hispanic voters and first-time mail-in voters who all traditionally trend Democratic. Joining me now to discuss is Wendy Weiser, vice president and director of the Democracy Program at NYU School of Law's Brennan Center for Justice. Wendy, what worries you most about this subject? WENDY WEISER, VP AND DIRECTOR OF DEMOCRACY PROGRAM, BRENNAN CENTER FOR JUSTICE: Well, thank you for having me. You know, any practice that results in a significant number of ballots cast by eligible voters being tossed for technical reasons is problematic and, frankly, unacceptable in a 21st Century America. This is something we can and should do better with and I am worried not only at the level of disenfranchisement, at the racial disparities we see, but also, as you noted, in close races, these percentages could make the difference in the outcome of an election. SMERCONISH: I know that the national average was about 1 percent or 1.5, but I'm going to put on the screen a slide that shows a variety of states and their rejection rates and, you know, some of it is alarming. Look at those if you're able. New York, 13.7, Arkansas, 7.6, Kentucky, 6.8, North Carolina, 6.1, Louisiana, 5.9, Massachusetts, 5.8. To what do you attribute those, what I would call, high rates of rejection? WEISER: Well, interesting, we see the highest rates of rejection often in states where voters typically vote by mail or by absentee ballot at smaller rates and so we've seen, across the country this year, a real surge in voters moving towards absentee voting because of the pandemic, but suddenly those percentages which typically apply to a small number of ballots now are, you know, much more significant because in many cases half or more voters are going to be voting by absentee ballot. SMERCONISH: Well, I wouldn't want somebody to get the wrong message from this. I wouldn't want someone to say, oh, my gosh, I better go out and vote in the midst of a pandemic live and in person where I'd been planning to vote by mail. I mean, my advice on radio and here on CNN is to tell people to treat this like a wedding invitation. You know, frankly, sometimes wedding invitations are pretty complicated. How many people are coming, do you want the chicken or the fish and what envelope goes where? It's the same kind of thing, right? Pay attention when you're filling it out. WEISER: Yes. Absolutely. I mean, the good news this year is we have record levels of voter enthusiasm and the motivation to vote is high and voters can actually dramatically reduce the likelihood that their ballots are in this small portion of ballots that get rejected by following the instructions closely. If you are in, you know, one of the 12 states that require a witness with your absentee ballot like Wisconsin and North Carolina, make sure you get that witness. As you noted, if you're in Pennsylvania, make sure you put your ballot in that extra secrecy sleeve that's included with the ballot and make sure in every state that you include a signature on your ballot envelope and double check. Make sure all the information is correct. Another critical fact is be timely, that's also very important. SMERCONISH: And just to underscore, different states -- we essentially have 52 different systems going on here and whether there's a cure process, whether you get to fix it is dependent upon your state, correct? WEISER: Yes. The rules for -- and this is confusing for voters as they're hearing a lot of national news about mail voting, the rules and the requirements vary state by state, jurisdiction by jurisdiction. So read your instructions carefully. And 32 states, ballots won't count if they are mailed on time but received after Election Day. That is -- no matter where you are, it is a good idea to get those ballots in as early as possible. Flatten the curve, that will also ease election administration. And in 22 states, if there is a mistake, they'll give you an opportunity to cure it. They won't SMERCONISH: All right. I'm losing Wendy Weiser. Wendy, I'm losing you, but here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to say that the Brennan Center has a great Web site with lots of good data. Thank you for being here and I hope people will go there to learn more information. I want to remind you, ladies and gentlemen, to go to my Web site at Smerconish.com and answer this week's survey question. "Are the harms of lockdown worse than the virus itself?" Up ahead, the Department of Justice thinks that Google's vast amount of power is a problem so they filed an antitrust lawsuit that could have major implications on the internet's future. But do you pass up the competition in favor of Google services? Google thinks so. And they say it's what might save them. And President Trump will be voting this hour in person in West Palm Beach in Florida. We'll bring you that live when it happens. DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I like to get online and if I have to stand there for two hours, maybe they'll move me (ph) up a little bit. But I like to vote. SMERCONISH: Crowds still gathering in West Palm Beach, Florida, awaiting President Trump en route to cast his ballot. He's doing so as a Florida resident in this cycle. Different, of course, than how he voted four years ago. When that happens, we will bring it to you live. This week, the Justice Department launched an antitrust action against Google claiming that the search giant illegally protects its monopoly. The government asserted that Google -- quote -- "anticompetitive tactics to maintain and extend its monopolies in the markets for general search archives (ph), search advertising, and general search text advertising, the cornerstones of its empire." Google responds that people use its search engine because they want to, not because they're forced to through anticompetitive practices. The outcome could have a profound impact on the internet as we know it. This is the latest salvo in the war against the big tech, big three, Amazon, Apple, Facebook -- four if you count Microsoft. And more action may be on the way for Facebook. "The Washington Post" reporting that state and federal investigators are expected to file antitrust charges against the social media giant as soon as November. Steven Levy joins me. He's the editor-at-large for "Wired." The "Washington Post" has called him America's premier technology journalist. Why? Well, he wrote a book about Apple called "The Perfect Thing." He wrote a great book about Facebook called "The Inside Story." And most importantly for our purposes, he wrote "In The Plex, How Google Thinks, Works, and Shapes Our Lives." Steven, what's this all about? STEVEN LEVY, EDITOR-AT-LARGE, WIRED: Well, as you mentioned, the government is taking a hard look at these big tech companies. You know, there are four people usually cited, Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon. And some people throw Microsoft in there. And they have a lot of power. Facebook and Google together have the majority of advertising on the web. And just about 100 percent of the profits from advertising on the web -- and Google gets its money from search. They have what most people would consider a monopoly in search. They have well over 80 percent by some measures over 90 percent of all of the searches that are done on the Web are Google searches. And the government says, wait a minute, it's not illegal to have a monopoly. But when you use that monopoly, you leverage it to get an even bigger share and lock in your monopoly, that's no good. So one thing that Google does is they pay billions of dollars to companies like Apple and companies like Mozilla and Samsung, so when you search, the default will be a Google search. And the government says, wait a minute, that's not fair. It's OK to have a lot of people who want to search there, but when people go to these other places, you know, they start off with an iPhone, they shouldn't automatically have Apple -- I'm sorry, Google as their search engine. They should start from scratch maybe and pick what they want. SMERCONISH: So, interesting you and I are having this conversation and I'm waiting a live feed of President Trump going to vote. We're 10 days out from the conclusion of this election. And it begs the question, will this sort of thing transcend a change in administration or could potentially a Joe Biden administration have a different view of this issue? LEVY: That's a great question, if you look back to the Microsoft trial which the government says this is the biggest thing we've done since then. Twenty years ago, the government sued Microsoft for leveraging its monopoly and operating systems to try to make people -- force people really to use their internet browser. And they lost the case. But when a new administration came in, the George W. Bush administration, they settled the case and rolled back the remedy that the judge recommended. He wanted to break up Microsoft. So, could the same thing happen here? One sign which Google probably is liking is that some state attorneys general signed on to the government's action but they were all from red states. So it implied they had to rush this out, somehow, to get out before the election. And though I don't think Google can take too much comfort because Biden has talked about his worries about big tech as well. So we might see the suit continue, but it might have a different form under a Joe Biden administration. SMERCONISH: Take my final 30 seconds and tell me why should I as a consumer care about this? LEVY: Yes, you might be happy saying I use Google search. What's the problem here? No one forces me -- SMERCONISH: Right. LEVY: -- to use that. But I think that not only Google, but these other companies under investigation, Amazon with its market power and internet commerce, you know, Facebook, the social network dominates, these have incredible power over our lives. We use them multiple times a day. We can't imagine life without them. And there's a lot of negative things that come from this. And I think that if you think about it, you need someone to give some oversight to these companies. So I think this is a significant move on the government's part. And it's not going to be the only one, it's the first of a lot. SMERCONISH: When I needed to read in anticipation of hosting you on my radio program, what did I do? I Googled the subject, of course. Steven, thank you so much for being here. LEVY: Thank you, Michael. Take care. SMERCONISH: Steven wins, by the way, that camera shot with the foliage. Where was he? Massachusetts looked great. Still to come, President Trump will be voting and he'll do so in person in Florida. We hope we're going to bring it to you live. I hope it happens during the course of the next 20 minutes. Many of the 52 million Americans who have already cast their ballots are posting selfies of themselves voting. Did you know that in several states it's illegal to do so? And I'll explain. Meanwhile, I want to remind to you answer the survey question.

Soon: President Trump Votes In Person; Could Mail-in Ballot Problems Affect Election Outcome?; Could DOJ Lawsuit Break Up Google?; Is Your Ballot Selfie Legal?; President Trump Votes Today In Florida.

Bald: Präsident Trump stimmt persönlich ab; Könnten Probleme bei der Briefwahl das Wahlergebnis beeinflussen?; Könnte die DOJ-Klage Google auflösen?; Ist Ihr Stimmzettel-Selfie legal?; Präsident Trump stimmt heute in Florida ab.

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