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Re: bad DCC traffic from e-corp.net Vernon, I'm changing the instructions in the SpamAssassin INSTALL file right now to: tar xfvz dcc-dccproc.tar.Z cd dcc-dccproc-X.X.X ./configure && make && make install cdcc 'info' Let me know ASAP if that's innapropriate, since we're shipping 2.40 today! C On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 10:02 AM, Vernon Schryver wrote: >> Here are the instructions in the spamassassin README: >> >> # tar xfvz dcc-dccproc.tar.Z >> # cd dcc-dccproc-X.X.X >> # ./configure && make && make install >> # cdcc 'new map' >> # cdcc 'add dcc.rhyolite.com' >> # cdcc 'info' > > That's ok, except that the 'new map' and "add dcc.rhyolite.com' > are respectively unnecessary and wrong. The map file that comes > with the source points to localhost and dcc.dcc-servers.net. Those > two shipped entries usually do the right thing if there is a local > server. If there is no local server or if the local server fails, > requests are instantly sent to one of the public server names listed > in the main DCC web page at > http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ and http://www.dcc- > servers.net/dcc/ > dcc.rhyolite.com has not been listed for months.

RE: [ILUG] VPN implementation On September 2, kialllists@redpie.com said: > OS-X is linux > Er, no it's not. It's kinda BSD-related, but it's definitely not Linux. Waider. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me. "Since I am project leader, I must not be permitted to go insane." - Theo de Radt -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

RE: [ILUG] Drop in replacement for Ingres Database? > From: Paul Linehan [mailto:plinehan@yahoo.com] > > There are two open alternatives that I can think of > that don't appear to have been mentioned > elsewhere in this thread. > > > One is Firebird (this is my personal favourite). > It is http://FirebirdSQL.org and you can > purchase support contracts here > www.ibphoenix.com. Indeedy - I had never even heard of firebird until we started a new job last week with a client who uses it. So we popped it onto a box downstairs and wow - it is fast. Comes with some lovely client tools also. Supports all the db goodies, transactions, stored procedures, triggers. > It's really amazing to think how much they've got > out of a db that is only 4 MB in size - that's 10 > times smaller than the Oracle *_client_*. > > > Having said all of the above, Oracle is really > a super product, but ya pays ya money... > IBM's db2 is another cheaper alternative to Oracle. Free single developer license downloadable from their website. Fergal. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

[ILUG] serial port transient failure Here's a weird and wacky problem: I'm currently out of the country with my trusty Evo N600c laptop. When I tried to use the serial port to talk to my mobile phone, Linux behaved pretty much as if the port was fried. Bizarre, I thought, because I'd used it successfully while in the office. The only difference was that I was trying the thing in the hotel. I entertained brief notions of having somehow fried the serial drivers, then rebooted the laptop to Windows and tried again. Worked perfectly. Back to Linux. Still not talking. Considered that it might be flaky power, so I ran the laptop on battery. Nope. Tried moving the laptop to a differnet part of the room where there might be less bogon flux. Still not working. Eventually I gave up and used the IrDA port instead - which is usually the serial connection of doom, grief, and teeth-grinding. This morning, in the office, the damn thing is working without a hitch. Anyone like to suggest what mystery technology is in use in the hotel that prevents serial ports from working under Linux? Cheers, Waider. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [ILUG] rpm dependencies On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:06:14PM +0100, Padraig Brady mentioned: > OK I'm upgrading vorbis on my machine and I'm getting > the following: > > # rpm -U libvorbis-* vorbis-tools-1.0-1.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libvorbisfile.so.0 is needed by SDL_mixer-1.2.0-4 > libvorbisfile.so.0 is needed by xmms-1.2.5-7 > libvorbisfile.so.0 is needed by tuxracer-0.61-5 > > This is because the new libvorbis.rpm only has libvorbisfile.so.3 > So is this a problem in the other packages depending on > a specific version (libvorbisfile.so.0) rather than on the > generic libvorbis.so ? This is a pain. The only way you can resolve this, to my knowledge is to download the original libvorbis rpm and the new one. Remove the old one, then do: rpm -Uvh libvorbis-* RPM then assumes that you want both versions installed at the same time, and does so. Why you can't do this after you have one library already installed is beyond me. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [ILUG] rpm dependencies John P. Looney wrote: > The only way you can resolve this, to my knowledge is to download the > original libvorbis rpm and the new one. Remove the old one, then do: > > rpm -Uvh libvorbis-* > > RPM then assumes that you want both versions installed at the same time, > and does so. Why you can't do this after you have one library already > installed is beyond me. Does using the --oldpackage flag help your pain, or is your pain caused by "Obsoletes" flags? Cheers, Waider. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [ILUG] Interesting article on free software licences David Neary said: > > For the francophones among you, this article is a summary of the > reasons why most free software licences (and the GPL in > particular) are not valid in France. > > http://www.linuxfrench.net/article.php3?id_article=1043 > > Google translation (hard to read most of the time, but good > enough to pick up the gist) > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?U26B52602 > > In brief, in an international contract, when mentioning copyright, you > must mention under which jurisdiction's laws the copyright > is applied. French law requires the licence to be available in > French (the GPL isn't). And French law requires that for a > contract to be valid, it must not breach existing law. Also under > French law, the copyright holder automatically retains the right > to change the licence, which means that French law is in conflict > with the GPL, which requires authorisation from all authors > before a licence change is allowed. > > Also there's some stuff about French consumer law forbidding sale > without guarantee of anything, so software delivered as-is > breaches consumer law in France. But I didn't really follow that. My French is a bit iffy these days, but if this is true, does it not also nullify Microsoft, Adobe and WinZip licences amongst most others? These all claim no liability, no guarantees (M$ say delivered "with all faults", so at least they are honest). /Ciaran. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

[ILUG] Retrieving read mail from webmail.eircom.net via POP ? Is there a way to get my read email downloaded off webmail.eircom.net. I've been reading the emails using the web based interface. But I've reached my quota limit. There doesn't seem to be any way to get the emails off the server. I can connect to the account using POP, but that only retrieves unread emails. There's also no way to mark emails as unread from the html interface. Is there a way I can use fetchmail perhaps to get it to pull down all the emails and remove them off the server. It's been years since I've used fetchmail, I don't recall be able to do this. Any other suggestions welcome. There's a few hundred email so I don't fancy going through each one forwarding it to another account. Glen -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [ILUG] Retrieving read mail from webmail.eircom.net via POP ? Seems fetchmail has a -a switch to get it all. Just need to install fetchmail now :) Glen On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 10:17, Stephane Dudzinski wrote: > Funny enough, that also happened to a Friend of mine who uses both the > web interface and a pop client. Last time i tried to send a picture > which was around 100k, it got denied saying that quota was exceeded. > When he looked at his account on the web, it mentionned 5 MB free, so i > have no idea what they're playing at ... > > Doesn't really help but just wanted to confirm the problem. > > Steph > > On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 10:10, Glen Gray wrote: > > Is there a way to get my read email downloaded off webmail.eircom.net. > > > > I've been reading the emails using the web based interface. But I've > > reached my quota limit. There doesn't seem to be any way to get the > > emails off the server. I can connect to the account using POP, but that > > only retrieves unread emails. There's also no way to mark emails as > > unread from the html interface. > > > > Is there a way I can use fetchmail perhaps to get it to pull down all > > the emails and remove them off the server. > > > > It's been years since I've used fetchmail, I don't recall be able to do > > this. > > > > Any other suggestions welcome. There's a few hundred email so I don't > > fancy going through each one forwarding it to another account. > > > > Glen > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- > ______________________________________________ > Stephane Dudzinski Systems Administrator > NewWorldIQ t: +353 1 4334357 > www.newworldiq.com f: +353 1 4334301 > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [ILUG] adsl router modem combo It seems to only support PPPoA and not PPPoE. You need one that supports PPPoE, if you want torun it in routed IP mode. If you are using it as a bridge, it'll probably work, but you'd be left leaving the computer on, which would defeat the purpose of getting a router. The best router I've come accross is the Zyxel 643. Eircom supply this, but if you have alook online you can probably find it cheaper to buy online from America or the UK. Hope this is useful, Joe -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [ILUG] Interesting article on free software licences On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:43:11AM +0100, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > > Also there's some stuff about French consumer law forbidding sale > > without guarantee of anything, so software delivered as-is > > breaches consumer law in France. But I didn't really follow that. > > My French is a bit iffy these days, but if this is true, does it not also > nullify Microsoft, Adobe and WinZip licences amongst most others? These all > claim no liability, no guarantees (M$ say delivered "with all faults", so > at least they are honest). Apparently the angle on this (i.e. selling without guarantee) is that software is not a product which is sold but a service which is licensed - at least that's what I remember reading about how M$ gets away with providing no guarantee in the U.S. If you're feeling rather deep pocketed, you could always try suing M$ to get a court's view on the matter. Niall -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

[Same thread ish] [ILUG] adsl router modem combo having great fun trying to find a dumb ADSL modem with Ethernet presentation, everybody wants to sell routers but I intend on doing pppoe from another device, something with more than one Ethernet port would be nice. anybody got any recommendations ? Uly ----- Original Message ----- From: <joefitz@netsoc.ucd.ie> To: <decdelmur@iol.ie> Cc: <ilug@linux.ie> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG] adsl router modem combo > It seems to only support PPPoA and not PPPoE. You need one that supports > PPPoE, if you want torun it in routed IP mode. If you are using it as a > bridge, it'll probably work, but you'd be left leaving the computer on, > which would defeat the purpose of getting a router. > > The best router I've come accross is the Zyxel 643. Eircom supply this, > but if you have alook online you can probably find it cheaper to buy > online from America or the UK. > > Hope this is useful, > Joe > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [ILUG] adsl router modem combo On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 11:10:05PM +0100, Declan de Lacy Murphy wrote: > I am planning to get i-stream solo and share it across a small network > (wireless), but I don't want to have to pay eircom for a router and having a > noisy pc running constantly isn't really an option because at home > inevitably someone will unplug it. > > I have been looking at a number of products and although I read the thread > about eircom needing pppoe last august I am still not sure if the one that I > am interested in will do the job. It is a hawking technology ar 710 > http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/ar710.htm ) and if it does the job it > will actually be cheaper than the modem eircom is selling. > > I would really appreciate if someone could look at the spec on the hawking > web page and give me an opinion. > > Thanks in advance > > Declan > I got the DSL-W 906E from http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk. Though it's not at all the best one around I have to say it does the job and a bit. Some of the features can be a pain to get working (ie. pptp in pppoe mode - can't figure it out). The documentation is not the best, but the guys from http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk will help you ouit. They also have a message board. The command line interface is quite powerful, but absolutely not userfriendly. All in all it's a cheap desent performer, that I am happy enough with. Got this one including a microfilter (not needed) for 140euro including shipping. Better than any deal from Eircom. -Tor -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

[zzzzteana] Re: Megalithomania UnPissup --- In forteana@y..., "Webmaster" <webmaster@b...> wrote: >Right...Talking Stick!..but what the hell is "marathon/snickers, jif/cif >and >calls itself 'Secret Chiefs' " > >DRS > Rebranding: taking something and changing nothing about it except its name. In the UK Marathon bars became Snickers bar, Jif cleaning fluid became Cif and Talking Stick became Secret Chiefs, y'know? Scott "at once a fun fair, a petrified forest, and the great temple of Amun at Karnak, itself drunk, and reeling in an eccentric earthquake" _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] Re: Megalithomania UnPissup ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Wood" <skitster@hotmail.com> To: <zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: [zzzzteana] Re: Megalithomania UnPissup > --- In forteana@y..., "Webmaster" <webmaster@b...> wrote: > >Right...Talking Stick!..but what the hell is "marathon/snickers, jif/cif > >and > >calls itself 'Secret Chiefs' " > > > >DRS > > > > Rebranding: taking something and changing nothing about it except its name. > In the UK Marathon bars became Snickers bar, Jif cleaning fluid became Cif > and Talking Stick became Secret Chiefs, y'know? > > Scott > "at once a fun fair, a petrified forest, and the great temple of Amun at > Karnak, itself drunk, and reeling in an eccentric earthquake" > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] SETI at Home So, I've been letting the little .exe of SETI@Home run endlessly on my PC . Last total for this upgrade approx. 420 hours of scanning time. And still no ET. I'm so disappointed. Does anyone else on the list let Berkeley use their computer for research in this manner? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu DRS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] A New Theory on Mapping the New World http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46455-2002Oct5.html A New Theory on Mapping the New World By Guy Gugliotta Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, October 7, 2002; Page A07 In 1507, a group of scholars working in France produced an extraordinary map of the world, the first to put the still-recent discoveries of Columbus and others into a new continent separate from Asia, and to call that continent "America." With the Waldseemuller map, the New World was born. But there was something else. What would later come to be called South America and Central America were surprisingly well-shaped, not only on the east coast, where explorers had already sailed, but also on the west coast -- which no European was known to have seen. The ice cream cone bulge that sticks out into the Pacific at the junction of modern-day Chile and Peru is readily visible and in almost exactly the right geographical spot -- not only in the main map, but also in an inset printed along its top. The shape of South America in the main map appears distorted because of the curvature of the Earth. It is an improbable coincidence, if it was a coincidence, for the map -- 12 large printed pages to be arrayed in one 36-square-foot wall display -- was published six years before Vasco Balboa's 1513 trip across the Isthmus of Panama and 12 years before Ferdinand Magellan's 1519-22 trip around the world. Did someone get there earlier? ... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] Re: Megalithomania UnPissup Understand, not enough caffeine absorbed yet this morning. (7:00AM here for me) DRS > --- In forteana@y..., "Webmaster" <webmaster@b...> wrote: > >Right...Talking Stick!..but what the hell is "marathon/snickers, jif/cif > >and > >calls itself 'Secret Chiefs' " > > > >DRS > > > > Rebranding: taking something and changing nothing about it except its name. > In the UK Marathon bars became Snickers bar, Jif cleaning fluid became Cif > and Talking Stick became Secret Chiefs, y'know? > > Scott > "at once a fun fair, a petrified forest, and the great temple of Amun at > Karnak, itself drunk, and reeling in an eccentric earthquake" > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Man admits Soham kidnapping hoax calls Ananova:� Man admits Soham kidnapping hoax calls A man has admitted making hoax calls to police investigating the disappearance of Soham schoolgirls Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells. Wrexham Magistrates Court, in North Wales, heard jobless Howard Youde made three calls to police in Cambridgeshire claiming to have abducted the youngsters. He was arrested in Wrexham in the early hours of August 16 when officers traced the call to a phone box on the town's Brook Street. The 45-year-old, of Queensway, Hope, near Wrexham, has pleaded guilty to one count of wasting police time on August 15 this year. The court was told Youde claimed to have no recollection of making the calls having been drinking all day. Defence lawyer Mark Arden says the offence was neither premeditated nor calculated but added that this was no excuse. He said: "What he's done is horrific. It's unforgivable. The distress he's caused the families is unacceptable." Youde has been released on unconditional bail until November 7 when he will be sentenced. The hearing has been adjourned for pre-sentence reports although the defendant has been warned custody is an option. Story filed: 12:36 Monday 7th October 2002 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] RE:Prophecies > That always amazes me about 'regular' dreams - how often they come true. > In 1993 or so, when I was a student in Edinburgh, I had a bad dream about being chased around a house by a scary murderous tramp who was carrying a bag full of half-penny coins (which had long since ceased to be legal tender). The next morning as I left the flat, I found a half-penny on the doormat right outside our door. Fair gave me the willies, that did. TimC ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] The tenth planet > Anyone know what Quaoar means or stands for? Can't find it in the > dictionary. Scrabble players should be happy! > http://www.angelfire.com/journal/cathbodua/Gods/Qgods.html Quaoar Their only god who 'came down from heaven; and, after reducing chaos to order, out the world on the back of seven giants. He then created the lower animals,' and then mankind. Los Angeles County Indians, California ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] The Cafe Forteana is back online!!! > > Ok, but you'll still let me leave that black and white one there too, >> right? I like that one!!! >> -- >> >> >> Fel > >Okay. I see you like that 1940's starlet look then.... > >I should think about a bio bit, but maybe I'll just remain enigmatic and >maintain my mystique* > >Helen of Troy >*by Lentheric :-) > Or you could let me write one for you? Mind you ...... I know an awful lot about you! ;-)) Yes, I like that starlet look, but I think you should come out from behind that bike too and let us see what you are wearing. looks pretty innerestin' -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] The Cafe Forteana is back online!!! > Or you could let me write one for you? Mind you ...... I know an > awful lot about you! ;-)) Oh, that could be interesting! > > Yes, I like that starlet look, but I think you should come out from > behind that bike too and let us see what you are wearing. looks > pretty innerestin' That bike is all that's between me and my modesty. The other photos are not for public consumption. :-) > Fel Helen of Troy ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Latest Iraq-related news Just the headlines and URLs so I don't bore y'all too much.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,805900,00.html As a US Republican, I reject George Bush's illegal and unconstitutional plan to attack Iraq - Scott Ritter http://jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2002-daily/07-10-2002/world/w9.htm Saudi Arabia may start fingerprinting Americans <http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1033848737242> Blair warned war to oust Saddam 'illegal' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Razor-users] Razor2 error: can't find "new" Using Razor2 via SpamAssasin. System is Solaris 2.7, with qmail. Spamassassin run via user's procmail. All users who use SA have run razor-register. Razor2 is failing, and I can't find anything in the limited docs or on google on it, and I'm hoping someone can help. The error (which doesn't prevent SA from working) is: Oct 2 06:38:22 sancho2 qmail: 1033565902.186041 delivery 4588: success: razor2_check_skipped:_Bad_file_number_Can't_locate_object_m ethod_"new"_via_package_"Razor2::Client::Agent"_(perhaps_you_forgot_to_load_"Razor2::Client::Agent"?)_at_/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_p erl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm_line_374./did_0+0+1/ Looking at Dns.pm doesn't really help me, and Razor2::Client::Agent appears to be in the right place, in /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/Razor2/Client. Ideas? ...Chris ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list Razor-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users

[zzzzteana] Re: Latest Iraq-related news Even better: http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=668 White House: President's "War Boner" Must Be Satisfied ..."The President can't seem to hide his excitement about a possible military conflict with Iraq. At a recent function honoring America's war widows, Bush sported a visible erection when his speech turned to the subject of the Middle East. 'Believe me when I say this. With or without the help of other nations, with or without UN approval, we will penetrate Iraq's borders. With overwhelming force, we will pound Iraq over and over again without ceasing. And, once its leaders concede defeat, we will seed Iraq with American-style democracy.' Aides say the podium was scrubbed down thoroughly after the event with a special cleanser/biocide not used since the Clinton administration."..... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] The Cafe Forteana is back online!!! Tom R: > http://www.cliktrik.com/people/family/me/0419.jpg > Which one's you? TimC ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

RE: The absurdities of life. what takes time and money: noting the amounts of each correction and basing the refund delivery method on the amount. yesh, it's silly to spend $.37 (+ labor and materials) for a $.02 refund, but maybe the only alternative right now is to create dichotomies that require even more time and labor - or keep the money (see john hall below). your mailed refund is a function of bulk. in jax we're on the verge of firing at&t cable for horrible customer service and over-charging. what will probably happen: if the amount of overage per customer is significant (say $30 or more) the refund will go directly to the customer. If it's less, the combined total amount will go to the city as lump sum settlement. in your case, maybe all the customers could vote on line where they'd like their lump sum to go. of courese, they'd have to be notified by mail first. :-) -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of John Hall Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:02 PM To: Fork@xent.com Subject: RE: The absurdities of life. They are legally required to do that. I got a similar check because an insurance company didn't pay a claim quickly enough. It might have been $.02. Although they spent lots more than $.33 to mail you the check, the alternative seems to be to keep the money. Do you really want companies to have a financial incentive to over-bill you 'just a bit' so they could keep it? For a company with millions of customers, $.33/customer starts adding up. > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of > bitbitch@magnesium.net > So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now). > Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing > and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33. > > They easily spent more than this just getting the materials together. > Why the hell do companies bother to do this crap? I mean, isn't there > a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness? I don't think I missed > the .33, but I sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu > of being returned pennies. > > I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the > check, burn it, or cash it in. Maybe I should find a way to return to > sender, so they have to spend -more- money on giving me my .33 dues. > > > Does .33 even buy anything anymore? Funny bit of it, is I couldn't > even make a phone call these days. > > *boggled* > BB. > > -- > Best regards, > bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net

[use Perl] Headlines for 2002-10-08 use Perl Daily Headline Mailer This Week on perl5-porters (30 September / 6 October 2002) posted by rafael on Monday October 07, @07:12 (summaries) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/1124226 RATS posted by KM on Monday October 07, @09:01 (news) http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/132252 Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.

[use Perl] Stories for 2002-10-08 use Perl Daily Newsletter In this issue: * This Week on perl5-porters (30 September / 6 October 2002) * RATS +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | This Week on perl5-porters (30 September / 6 October 2002) | | posted by rafael on Monday October 07, @07:12 (summaries) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/1124226 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ It was a busy week indeed, with long threads, interesting bugs, clever fixes, miscellaneous optimizations, some new ideas, a few jokes, mysterious failures, and, finally, a security hole. Read on. This story continues at: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/1124226 Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/10/07/1124226 +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | RATS | | posted by KM on Monday October 07, @09:01 (news) | | http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/132252 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Odud writes "RATS, the Rough Auditing Tool for Security, is a security auditing utility for C, C++, Python, Perl and PHP code. RATS scans source code, finding potentially dangerous function calls. The goal of this project is not to definitively find bugs. The current goal is to provide a reasonable starting point for performing manual security audits. Produced by [0]Secure Software" Uses a database so you can alter what you want it to look for. Not a replacement for using stricture or your head but is a good place to start some security auditing on your Perl. Discuss this story at: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=02/10/07/132252 Links: 0. http://www.securesoftware.com/rats.php Copyright 1997-2002 pudge. All rights reserved. ====================================================================== You have received this message because you subscribed to it on use Perl. To stop receiving this and other messages from use Perl, or to add more messages or change your preferences, please go to your user page. http://use.perl.org/my/messages/ You can log in and change your preferences from there.

Re: [zzzzteana] Bigfoot and big feet on display at Peabody >Benoit claimed the prize for his size 14 feet. In the female division of the >competition, three women tied for first place with size 10 feet. >Winners took home a $100 gift certificate to either Footlocker or Barrie >Ltd. Well crap, mine are size 11. > >"If I'd have known the contest was happening, I would have gone," said >Justin Simon '04, the proud owner of size 15 feet. "A lot of the guys have >bigger feet than that. Dexter Upshaw ['06] wears a size 18." > >Simon said the $100 gift certificate would have almost paid for a new pair >of shoes. Almost. If you shop at Payless!! But sure could have used the $100 anyway! -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] Fortean Times Online >Helen & Mike wrote: > >> Chat tends to be on irc.quakenet #forteana most nights. I think this was >> done mainly because of troll infestation. Colin has control most nights on >> there, and he keeps an eye on people and kicks them if they come in under >> assumed names, or as soon as they show their true natures. Just call him >> Billy Goat Gruff :-) > >How do you sign up? > >Thanks! > >Kelly kelly, same thing as when you used to come to frogstone on Dalnet. #frogstone is still there, and also #forteana. If you want to go to quakenet, just change your server (in mIRC if that is what you use) to that. -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] Good ISP for Mac? >I managed to get myself an iMac yesterday (just a G3 but a good'un) and was >wondering if any of the Apple people on here could recommend a good ISP (for >narrow band at the moment) for getting online under OS X. > >Stew my local ISP works great with my iMac. I don't know what you guys have over there, but OS X ought to let you get online as well as anything else. Crossing my fingers though....I did a upgrade to Jaguar, and ended up doing a scrape and install after that. Oh, and I am on 56k dialup -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] The Cafe Forteana is back online!!! > >Tom R: >>> >>><http://www.cliktrik.com/people/family/me/0419.jpg>http://www.cliktrik.com/people/family/me/0419.jpg >>> >>Which one's you? > >I'm actually taking the photo -- both figures are in fact waxworks. > >This was in Mme Tussaud's in, of all places, Sydney Australia. > > /t >-- damn it Tom!! I had my kids believing you knew Albert Einstein!! Well, until the smart one asked just how old you were now. -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] The Cafe Forteana is back online!!! >That Goddess Chick wrote: >> >> >Thanks Fel. Got no scanner. My photo is in that group of 100 obsessive >> >compulsive clipsters in FT, 1996 or 1997. >> > >> >Terry >> >> Great, and right now all my pre '98s are in Washington state, in a >> cardboard box in a shed in the back of Sydde's garage. Probably mice >> nests by now. :-( Put a scanner on your Christmas list right above >> world peace! >> -- >> >> Fel >> NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: >><http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html>http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html > >Maybe a kind soul with access to that issue and a scanner could scan it and >forward to you. > >Terry > I would appreciate that very much as I won't be getting back to Washington until December. -- Fel NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

xine src packge still gives errors Hi I try to rebuild xine from src package and I get these errors: . . . . . Finding Provides: /usr/lib/rpm/find-provides Finding Requires: /usr/lib/rpm/find-requires PreReq: rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 Requires(rpmlib): rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 Requires: xine-libs = 0.9.13 /bin/sh Obsoletes: xine-devel RPM build errors: user dude does not exist - using root user dude does not exist - using root user dude does not exist - using root user dude does not exist - using root user dude does not exist - using root File not found: /var/tmp/xine-root/usr/bin/aaxine thx, Roi _______________________________________________ RPM-List mailing list <RPM-List@freshrpms.net> http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list

Teach a man to fish URL: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/10/08.html#teach_a_man_to_fish Date: 2002-10-08T00:22:08-05:00 _Kevin Hemenway_: Finding More Channels[1]. &#8220;In simple terms, there are thousands of web sites that are actively providing their news and headlines in a format AmphetaDesk can understand [RSS]. And while AmphetaDesk knows about a good number of these sites, it'd be impossible to hunt down each and every single possibility. So, this page is here to teach you how to fish.&#8221; [1] http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/finding_more.html

Iran Pushes UN Intervention Against US URL: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000643 Date: 2002-10-07T21:35:22-06:00 Yahoo: The Case for Regime Change[1]. Khatami asked the U.N. to set a deadline for Bush to step down in favor of president-in-exile Al Gore the legitimate winner of the 2000 election, the results of which were subverted through widespread voting irregularities and intimidation. [... This will likely require] a prolonged bombing campaign targeting major U.S. cities and military installations, followed by a ground invasion led by European forces. "Civilian casualties would likely be substantial," said a French military analyst. "But the American people must be liberated from tyranny." [...] "Even before Bush, the American political system was a shambles," said Prof. Salvatore Deluna of the University of Madrid. "Their single-party plutocracy will have to be reshaped into true parliamentary-style democracy. Moreover, the economy will have to be retooled from its current military dictatorship model--in which a third of the federal budget goes to arms, and taxes are paid almost exclusively by the working class--to one in which basic human needs such as education and poverty are addressed. Their infrastructure is a mess; they don't even have a national passenger train system. Fixing a failed state of this size will require many years." Welcome news. The only way to crush America's fundamentalist tendencies is by showing them who's boss. [1] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=127&u=/020927/7/2bxul.html&printer=1

Man kills self with home booby-traps URL: http://boingboing.net/#85537486 Date: Not supplied Steve sez: "It's tragic when life imitates Wile E. Coyote cartoons. Guy boobytraps his house to get his family if they try to break in, and seemingly is killed himself by his own traps." Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Steve[3]!_) [1] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=2&u=/nm/20021007/od_nm/boobytraps_dc [2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/K9nShVkkrRxi [3] http://www.portigal.com

Curried radiation burns URL: http://boingboing.net/#85537496 Date: Not supplied Curcumin, the chemical that makes curry yellow, turns out to be a good compound for treating radiation burns resulting from cancer therapy. Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Cheryl!_) [1] http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N07347915 [2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/THKNJnrnHdDd

1987 copy of Nintendo zine going for $700 on eBay URL: http://boingboing.net/#85535421 Date: Not supplied A Nintendo newsletter from 1987 is going for ober $700 on eBay. Link[1] Discuss [2] _(Thanks, Billy Hayes!)_ [1] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1566539449&rd=1 [2] http://www.quicktopic.com/16/H/wUzqZdX42Az

How the other half gives URL: http://boingboing.net/#85534328 Date: Not supplied The new Neiman Marcus Christmas catalog is out (in October!), including you-as-an-action-figure ($7,500), a bamboo hut ($15,000) and a leather frisbee ($30). Link[1] Discuss[2] [1] http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/sitelets/christmasbook2002/fc.htm?navAction=jump&promo=home2 [2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/sWabFeGyB5u4C

Police pay damages to journalist URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-2,8655706,215/ Date: 2002-10-08T03:31:00+01:00 BBC reporter Donal MacIntyre wins high profile libel case against police.

10 die as Israeli helicopter fires on Palestinian crowd URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-2,8655710,215/ Date: 2002-10-08T03:30:56+01:00 *World latest: *Hundreds of Palestinians vent their anger as dozens of Israeli tanks withdrew after a gruelling three-hour raid on the Gaza strip.

Dawn raids stoke fires of resentment URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-2,8655713,215/ Date: 2002-10-08T03:30:53+01:00 *Afghanistan: *In his final report one year from the beginning of the US campaign *Rory McCarthy* finds mounting anger at the military presence.

New Solar System body revealed URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8640496,1440/ Date: Not supplied The largest object found since 1930 is half the size of Pluto, and calls that object's planetary status into question

Man leads machine in chess duel URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8643939,1440/ Date: Not supplied World chess champion Vladimir Kramnik takes the lead over the computer Deep Fritz, after the machine makes a peculiar mistake

Human handshake opens data stream URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8639021,1440/ Date: Not supplied A new Japanese system allows palmtop computers to swap large amounts of data when their owners shake hands

Geneticists and a tiny worm win Nobel prize URL: http://www.newsisfree.com/click/-1,8639022,1440/ Date: Not supplied The medicine prize goes to research that revealed how cell suicide sculpts the body and - when disrupted - causes disease

Re: [ILUG] packaging risks and the reputation of linux distributions Quoting Brendan Kehoe (brendan@zen.org): > As a workaround, the various distributions could use a GPG singature > to verify correctness of the file. Since the distributor's secret key > is required to create that signature, it would add a pretty > significant step that would have to be taken to make it possible to > replace both a rpm or apt file and its accompanying signature. There are complex problems inherent in attempts to implement this. http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/debian-package-signing -- Cheers, My pid is Inigo Montoya. You kill -9 Rick Moen my parent process. Prepare to vi. rick@linuxmafia.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [ILUG] packaging risks and the reputation of linux distributions Brendan Kehoe wrote: > As a workaround, the various distributions could use a GPG singature to verify > correctness of the file. Since the distributor's secret key is required to > create that signature, it would add a pretty significant step that would have > to be taken to make it possible to replace both a rpm or apt file and its > accompanying signature. Check your local friendly Red Hat installation: [root@localhost up2date]# rpm --checksig zsh-4.0.2-2.src.rpm zsh-4.0.2-2.src.rpm: md5 gpg ok Of course, this is only as useful as, say, the gpg keys distributed with the Kernel tarballs, i.e. if you don't actually bother checking the sig then you are open to abuse. It's entirely possible that rpm can be configured to require good signatures, but I've not read that part of the fine manual just yet. Cheers, Waider. -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [Webdev] mod_usertrack Thanks for the info AJ, I found "weblog" at http://awsd.com/scripts/weblog/index.shtml which has some click-path reporting. It's simple, but works. Report generation takes a bit though, even with dns resolution turned off.. Donncha. On Monday 07 October 2002 23:35, AJ McKee wrote: > Donncha, > > I've been using mod_usertrack for a good while now. I use in by default in > every vhost that I set up. I assign a cookie name and set the expiry for > about a year. I have to say it looks ok. A few things to note though. If a _______________________________________________ Webdev mailing list Webdev@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/webdev

[zzzzteana] Fake bank website cons victims >>From the BBC website - www.bbc.co.uk Tuesday, 8 October, 2002, 09:43 GMT 10:43 UK Fake bank website cons victims West African criminals have used a fake version of a British bank's online service to milk victims of cash, say police. The fake site was used to squeeze more money out of people they had already hooked. The site has been shut down. But UK National Criminal Intelligence Service, (NCIS), said at least two Canadians had lost more than $100,000 after being taken in by the fake website. The scam behind the fake web domain was the familiar one that offers people a share of the huge sums of money they need moved out of various African nations. NCIS said the use of the web was helping the conmen hook victims that would otherwise spot the scam. Convincing site News of this latest scam was revealed by BBC Radio5Live. It found that an unclaimed web domain of a UK bank had been used by conmen to get more cash out their victims. A NCIS spokesman said the domain looked legitimate because it had "the" in front of the bank's name. "I have seen the microsite myself and it's very sophisticated," said the NCIS spokesman. "It's very convincing especially to people not very experienced online." Once the con was discovered it was quickly shut down. However, the people behind it have not been caught. NCIS does know that at least two people have lost more than $100,000. The bank involved has bought up the domain used in the con as well as many other permutations of its name to limit the chance it could happen again. Domain games Usually people are first hooked in to what has become known as Advanced Fee or 419 fraud by replying to an unsolicited fax or e-mail offering a share of any cash successfully moved out of Africa. The '419' refers to the part of the Nigerian penal code dealing with such crimes. Like any con, there is no money to be moved at all and instead anyone taking the bait is asked to pay increasingly large sums to supposedly bribe uncooperative officials and to smooth the passage of the cash. Although this con has been practiced for years, people still fall victim to it. NCIS estimates that up to five Americans are sitting in hotel lobbies in London everyday waiting to meet people connected with this con. Cutting edge fraud Often the conmen provide fake banking certificates to give the con an air of legitimacy. People tricked into clicking on fake sites But a spokesman for NCIS said fake or spoof websites are now being used in place of the certificates. "To many people nowadays the cutting edge of banking technology is web technology," said the spokesman. One of the first groups of conmen to use this method set up a fake website that supposedly gave victims access to accounts held at the South African Reserve Bank, the country's national bank. Typically, victims are given a login name and password and are encouraged to visit the site so they can see that the cash they are getting a share of has been deposited in their name. But before they can get their hands on the cash, the victims are typically asked to hand over more of their own money to help the transfer go ahead. Once the South African police discovered the ruse they declared it a national priority crime and soon arrested the 18 people behind it. Modern gloss An briefing paper prepared by NCIS in August on organised crime noted that criminals were increasingly turning to the web to lure new victims and give old cons a modern gloss. The NCIS spokesman urged people who have fallen victim to 419 fraud to come forward and help it track down the perpetrators. He said in the last two months it had arrested 24 people overseas involved with this type of fraud. He said any e-mail, fax or letter making an offer that looks to good too be true, undoubtedly is. One of the first companies to fall victim to website spoofing was net payment service Paypal. Conmen set up a fake site and asked people to visit and re-enter their account and credit card details because Paypal had lost the information. The website link included in the e-mail looked legitimate but in fact directed people to a fake domain that gathered details for the conmen's personal use. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Uncle Mark seeks parole http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/2308581.stm Tuesday, 8 October, 2002, 07:55 GMT 08:55 UK Lennon killer seeks parole again The man who shot dead former Beatle John Lennon is making another bid for early release from prison - the day before what would have been Lennon's 62nd birthday. Mark David Chapman, 47, was jailed for life after he admitted killing the superstar outside his New York apartment building in 1980. It is the second time in two years that Chapman has sought parole from Attica state prison. At a 2000 hearing, he argued that he was no longer a danger to society and had overcome the psychological problems which led him to shoot the ex-Beatle. Chapman had said that a voice in his head told him to shoot the star. Shot dead Lennon was shot four times as he emerged from a limousine outside his New York City apartment on 8 December 1980. He and his wife Yoko Ono were returning from a late-night recording session during which time they had been working on Walking on Thin Ice. Only hours before the shooting, Chapman - who had come to New York from Hawaii - was photographed with the singer outside the same building as Lennon signed a copy of his album Double Fantasy for him. The killer said Lennon had been just "a picture on an album cover" to him before the shooting. 'Deserved death' Chapman has said that he should have received the death penalty for his crime. Lennon's widow told the 2000 parole hearing that she would not feel safe if Chapman were released. Lennon's songwriting partnership with Paul McCartney propelled the Liverpool-based pop group to international stardom and unparalleled commercial success. The Beatles front man, peace campaigner, and all-round iconoclast, would have been 62 on Wednesday. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [ILUG] cheap linux PCs >I'd normally never buy this but the Xbox is Eur300 on IOL's shop, a very >large company are making a loss on it and: > >http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/articles.php?aid=1&sub=Press%20Release%3A%20Xbox%20Linux%20Mandrake%209%20Released > >Mandrake has been released for it. isn't it �250 in Smyths? don't forget to add to that the modchip, and the time to put it on. (/me thinks unless you want 3d graphics, www.mini-itx.com is the way to go :)) L. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

[zzzzteana] Bashing the bishop http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,806744,00.html Evangelicals' threat to new archbishop Direct action threat over liberal views on sexuality Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent Tuesday October 8, 2002 The Guardian Evangelical fundamentalists last night stepped up their campaign to oust Rowan Williams, the incoming Archbishop of Canterbury, before he even takes up his post, by threatening to take "direct action" against him. The council of the Church Society, the Church of England's oldest evangelical body, joined a younger evangelical pressure group called Reform, which is also opposed to Dr Williams, in calling on him to recant his supposedly liberal views on sexuality or stand down. Following an emergency meeting, the 167-year-old society, whose leaders met the archbishop last week, proclaimed their continued opposition to his appointment and called on all Anglicans to spurn him. The move is the latest stage of an increasingly aggressive attempt to destabilise the new archbishop, whose leftwing political views are regarded with deep suspicion by the conservative fringes of the evangelical movement. Some evangelicals object to Dr Williams's acknowledgement that he has ordained a gay priest, something many bishops have done, and that those who have sex outside marriage need not necessarily be spurned. The new archbishop has repeatedly assured them that he respects the canons of the church. Nevertheless, the society said: "It is clear that he prefers his private judgment to the voice of scripture, to the voice of tradition and to the common mind of the church. As such he can only be a focus of disunity. "The council... called upon loyal Anglicans to pray specifically that Rowan Williams would see the error in his teaching, change his views or stand down," it said. The society claimed to have drawn up an "action plan," including calling on bishops and primates of the 70 million worldwide Anglican communion, of which archbishops of Canterbury are the leaders, to distance themselves from Dr Williams's doctrinal and ethical position. It promised it would be "taking steps towards appropriate direct action". It added that Dr Williams remained on the editorial board of a journal called Theology and Sexuality which, six months ago, published articles allegedly commending homosexual behaviour. Despite its claim, the society does not represent the common mind of the church. Dr Williams, currently Archbishop of Wales, was chosen by the crown appointments commission of church members, including evangelicals, and his appointment was endorsed by the prime minister and the Queen. He is due to succeed George Carey, who retires this month, and will be formally enthroned at Canterbury cathedral in February. Asked what form direct action might take, the Rev George Curry, the society's chairman, said: "Watch this space." Presumably it could involve a small minority of parishes repudiating the new archbishop and seeking alternative oversight or even demonstrations at services where Dr Williams is present. Church of England bishops, who have hitherto largely kept their heads down during the row, are meeting next week to discuss their response to the evangelical extremists' challenge, which appears to have grown in the absence of a robust rebuttal. A letter by senior theologians in today's Guardian, however, repudiates the evangelicals' tactics, calling them unseemly and contrary to biblical teaching. On the BBC's Thought for the Day yesterday, Angela Tilby, vice-principal of Westcott House, Cambridge, accused Dr Williams's opponents of presumption and blackmail. "It is in fact a thoroughly aggressive way to behave. It is attempting to force an issue by emotional violence... manipulating to get your way is often preferable to painstaking negotiation," she said. Last week, Dr Williams said he was deeply saddened. "Matters of sexuality should not have the priority or centrality that Reform and the Church Society have tried to give them. The archbishop cannot withdraw his appointment since so many, including evangelicals, have urged him to take the post... the archbishop believes it to be his duty under God." ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] And deliver us from weevil http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,806695,00.html Weevil pest warms to life in south-west London James Meek, science correspondent Tuesday October 8, 2002 The Guardian They're chomping in Chelsea, Fulham and Pimlico, but despite their fancy taste in London addresses they are neither posh nor particularly fussy: they are vine weevils and they want to eat your plants. Two species of vine weevil previously unable to survive Britain's cold winters have been discovered in south-west London, and one has also been detected in Surrey, Cardiff and Edinburgh. "This is probably the most serious new garden pest in recent memory," said Max Barclay, the curator of beetles at the Natural History Museum in London who discovered the creatures in the UK. The black vine weevil has long been native to Britain, causing enormous damage to glossy leaved plants such as laurels. But the two new species, otiorhynchus armadillo and otiorhynchus salicicola, not previously known north of Switzerland, are now prevalent in south London. "It's very likely these weevils have been introduced to Britain through imported ornamental plants from Italy," said Dr Barclay. "It looks like they're here to stay." He found otiorhynchus armadillo on the window of a Chelsea department store in 1998, but as the shop sold imported house plants, he assumed it was a migrant. It has now quietly become the most common species of vine weevil in south-west London. The second invader is not so numerous, but has established itself firmly in the same area. Apart from laurels, vine weevils attack bay, viburnum, ornamental ivy, and grape vines. An early sign of trouble is that notches appear in leaves. The soil-dwelling larvae bite the roots off below the surface. One possible explanation for the invaders' successful colonisation of Britain is global warming. Earlier springs and milder winters are already a fact. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Nobel astrophysicists Nobel Honors 3 for Astrophysics Work Tuesday October 8, 2002 12:00 PM STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - Two Americans and a Japanese won the Nobel Prize in physics Tuesday for using some of the most obscure particles and waves in nature to understand the workings of astronomy's grandest wonders. Riccardo Giacconi, 71, of the Associated Universities Inc. in Washington, D.C., will get half of the $1 million prize for his role in ``pioneering contributions to astrophysics, which have led to the discovery of cosmic X-ray sources.'' Raymond Davis, Jr., 87, of the University of Pennsylvania shares the other half of the prize with Japanese scientist Masatoshi Koshiba, 76, of the University of Tokyo. The two men pioneered the construction of giant underground chambers to detect neutrinos, elusive particles that stream from the sun by the billion. Neutrinos offer an unparalleled view of the sun's inner workings because they are produced in its heart by the same process that causes it to shine. In fact, Davis' early experiments, performed during the 1960s in a South Dakota gold mine, confirmed that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion. Koshiba won his share of the prize for his work at the Kamiokande neutrino detector in Japan. That experiment confirmed and extended Davis' work, and also discovered neutrinos coming from distant supernova explosions, some of the brightest objects in the universe. The Italian-born Giacconi, a U.S. citizen, was awarded half of the prize for building the first X-ray telescopes that provided ``completely new - and sharp - images of the universe,'' the academy said. His research laid the foundation for X-ray astronomy, which has led to the discovery of black holes and allowed researchers to peer deep into the hearts of the dusty young galaxies where stars are born. When academy officials reached Giacconi by phone at his home outside Washington, he said he was ``dumbstruck'' to learn of the prize. Koshiba also was phoned at home in Tokyo, but the academy was still trying to reach Davis, spokesman Erling Norrby said. This year's Nobel awards started Monday with the naming of Britons Sydney Brenner, 75, and Sir John E. Sulston, 60, and American H. Robert Horvitz, 55, as winners of the medicine prize, selected by a committee at the Karolinska Institute. The researchers shared it for discoveries about how genes regulate organ growth and a process of programmed cell deaths that shed light on how viruses and bacteria invade human cells, including in conditions such as AIDS, strokes, cancer and heart attacks. The winner of the Nobel Prize in chemistry will be named on Wednesday morning and the Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel later the same day. The literature prize winner will be announced on Thursday, the Swedish Academy said on Tuesday. The winner of the coveted peace prize - the only one not awarded in Sweden - will be announced Friday in Oslo, Norway. The award committees make their decisions in deep secrecy and candidates are not publicly revealed for 50 years. Alfred Nobel, the wealthy Swedish industrialist and inventor of dynamite who endowed the prizes left only vague guidelines for the selection committees. In his will he said the prize being revealed on Tuesday should be given to those who ``shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind'' and ``shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics.'' The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, which also chooses the chemistry and economics winners, invited nominations from previous recipients and experts in the fields before cutting down its choices. Deliberations are conducted in strict secrecy. The prizes are presented on Dec. 10, the anniversary of Nobel's death in 1896, in Stockholm and in Oslo. --- On the Net: Nobel site, http://www.nobel.se ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Lioness adopts fifth antelope http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,806579,00.html Lioness adopts fifth antelope Rory Carroll, Africa correspondent Tuesday October 8, 2002 The Guardian Kamuniak the dysfunctional lioness has forfeited another meal by adopting her fifth baby oryx this year, an aberration of nature which has baffled wildlife experts. The young lioness in the Samburu national park in northern Kenay adopted her latest baby at the weekend, a wildlife service warden said yesterday. Each time Kamuniak, whose name means "the blessed one" in the local Samburu tongue, has tried to protect the antelopes from other predators and allowed the natural mothers to feed them. Unfortunately for her, one oryx ended up in the belly of a male lion while Kamuniak slept; the others were either rescued by wardens or retrieved by their natural mothers. The wardens think the latest adoptee, nicknamed Naisimari ("taken by force"), was adopted at the weekend. "She must have adopted her on Sunday because they are in harmony," said Gabriel Lepariyo, a warden. Naisimari's natural mother has been seen shadowing the odd couple at a distance. Theories to explain the phenonemon abound: not having her own cubs, Kamuniak is lonely; she is colour-blind and short-sighted and thinks the calves are cubs; the oryx were too frail to flee, breaking the classic prey behaviour and confusing the hunter; Kamuniak wants to be a vegetarian; Kamuniak wants to be loved. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Dracula theme park could be switched to Bucharest Ananova:� Dracula theme park could be switched to Bucharest A controversial scheme to build a Dracula theme park in Romania could be switched away from Transylvania. Consultants PricewaterhouseCoopers is now recommending that it be built in Bucharest instead. It comes after Prince Charles led international protests against the original proposals to build it in the medieval town of Sigishoara. PricewaterhouseCoopers name Bucharest, originally believed to be an outsider in the race to host the park, as the most profitable location for the project. But that has angered residents in Sigishoara, where Vlad the Impaler, the inspiration for Dracula, was born. They are counting on the park to boost the local economy. Evenimentul Zilei reports that Sigishoara was placed behind the capital with the Black Sea port of Constanta third choice. Dorin Danesan, mayor of Sigishoara, said: "The pre-feasibility report from PWC shows that the park would attract more tourists if it was located in Bucharest. But I still think that Sigishoara is the best location for it." The park would include hotels, a Dracula roller coaster, catacombs, a ghost train and a house of horrors, as well as vampire dungeons located around a reconstruction of Dracula's castle and an artificial lake. The project has also been objected to by the world heritage organisation Unesco fearing Sigishoara might be spoilt. PricewaterhouseCoopers is to present its final report on the project on October 15. Story filed: 13:16 Tuesday 8th October 2002 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Language problems Ananova:� Newspaper's readers complain over 'let's have sex' picture caption Readers of an African newspaper have complained after a picture caption about jewellery contained the words "let's have sex". The mix-up highlights the problems caused by the wide range of languages spoken in Namibia. Callers to the Namibian were angered by the use of the word tulumweni, which translates roughly as "let's have intercourse" in the Oshiwambo language. It was used in a caption concerning people in the Caprivi who use rings from the femidon - female condom - as jewellery. According to the The Namibian , an activist involved in care for Aids/HIV patients spelt the word tulumweni for the journalist. He intended it to mean "you will see for yourselves" in the Siyeyi tongue. One caller said the complainants "should be considerate of other people's languages. It is very clear that the picture was taken in the Caprivi ...And that the word is from Siyeyi. It is not Oshiwambo". Others indicated that various words might have different meanings in various Namibian languages, such as omakende, an Oshiwambo word for glasses which in Siyeyi means testicles. Another word with a double-meaning is tulikunde, which in Oshiwambo translates as let's talk, but which in Sisubiya translates as let's have intercourse. The Herero word for a hat is ekoli, which is an Oshiwambo word for a vagina. Story filed: 12:37 Tuesday 8th October 2002 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Astro bits HUBBLE SPOTS AN ICY WORLD FAR BEYOND PLUTO ------------------------------------------ Astronomers have discovered a distant body that appears to be the largest object in the Kuiper Belt, a body half the size of Pluto that raises new questions about the definition of a planet. The icy world 2002 LM60 has been dubbed "Quaoar". http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0210/07quaoar/ ASTRONOMERS SLICE AND DICE GALAXIES ----------------------------------- New views of star birth and the heart of a spiral galaxy have been seen by a state-of-the-art astronomical instrument on its first night. The new spectrometer has a revolutionary ability to 'slice' any object in the sky into sections, producing a three dimensional view of the conditions throughout entire galaxies in a single observation. http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0210/08galaxies/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

RE: [ILUG] cheap linux PCs Actually, I'd be more inclined to look into: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/27489.html Avoiding giving any cash to a certain corporation <g> P > -----Original Message----- > >I'd normally never buy this but the Xbox is Eur300 on IOL's shop, a very > >large company are making a loss on it and: > > > >http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/articles.php?aid=1&sub=Press%20Release% > 3A%20Xbox%20Linux%20Mandrake%209%20Released > > > >Mandrake has been released for it. > > isn't it �250 in Smyths? > > don't forget to add to that the modchip, and the time to put it on. > > (/me thinks unless you want 3d graphics, www.mini-itx.com is the way to go > :)) > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: why is decentralization worth worrying about? Rohit Khare wrote: > > Why am I so passionate about decentralization? Because I believe some of > today?s most profound problems with networked applications are caused by > centralization. > > Generically, a centralized political or economic system permits only one > answer to a question, while decentralization permits many separate > agents to hold different opinions of the same matter. In the specific > context of software, centralized variables can only contain one valid > value at a time. That limits us to only representing information A) > according to the beliefs of a single agency, and B) that changes more > slowly than it takes to propagate. Nevertheless, centralization is the > basis for today?s most popular architectural style for developing > network applications: client-server interaction using request-response > communication protocols. I think the ability to maintain an inconsistent database is key to decentralization. Databases enforce consistenty with every transaction. Bounded transactions, like an ATM, enforce consistency by have some play with time and value Most people keep inconsistent data in their heads, it's called congnitive dissonance theory Most businesses keep inconsistent data, documents, tationale and ideas to support their work activities, it's called real life. I don't think it matters so much where it's located, i.e. decentralization. I think that decentralization is the workaround from technical limitations. The fallout being that the only way inconsistent information spaces can be maintained is by protecting them through a set of trust barriers and boundaries. The local information when combined with the technical troubles of providing "just enough" forced synchronization to remote information provide workable data consistenty, i.e. enforcing local constraints or ignoring global ones when concerns are more immedidate. Tolerating temporary, irreconcilable deviations is how people cope, otherwise you'd be like Nick Gatsby unnecessarily pre-occupied with a spot of shaving cream on McKee's neck who thinks that if he can just wipe that spot off that the whole world would be a little more perfect and everything, including his pre-occupation with Daisy, would consistently be in its proper place. Greg

[zzzzteana] FW: please give generously -----Original Message----- Subject: please give generously > > > > > > > > Please give generously... > > > > URGENT - DUDLEY EARTHQUAKE APPEAL > > > > At 00:54 on Monday 23 September an earthquake measuring 4.8 on the > > > > Richter scale hit Dudley,UK causing untold disruption and distress - > > > > * Many were woken well before their giro arrived > > > > * Several priceless collections of mementos from the Balearics and > > > > Spanish costas were damaged > > > > * Three areas of historic and scientifically significant litter were > > > > disturbed > > > > * Thousands are confused and bewildered, trying to come to terms with > > > > the fact that something interesting has happened in Dudley > > > > One resident, Donna-Marie Dutton, a 17 year old mother-of-three said "It > > > > was such a shock, little Chantal-Leanne came running into my bedroom > > > > crying. My youngest two, Tyler-Morgan and Megan-Storm slept through it. > > > > I was still shaking when I was watching Trisha the next morning." > > > > Apparently though, looting did carry on as normal. > > > > The British Red Cross have so far managed to ship 4000 crates of Sunny > > > > Delight to the area to help the stricken masses. > > > > Rescue workers are still searching through the rubble and have found > > > > large quantities of personal belongings including benefit books and > > > > jewellery from Elizabeth Duke at Argos. > > > > HOW YOU CAN HELP > > > > * �2 buys chips, scraps and blue pop for a family of four > > > > * �10 can take a family to Stourport for the day, where children can > > > > play on an unspoiled canal bank among the national collection of > > > > stinging nettles > > > > * 22p buys a biro for filling in a spurious compensation claim > > > > PLEASE ACT NOW > > > > Simply email us by return with your credit card details and we'll do the > > > > rest! If you prefer to donate cash, there are collection points > > > > available at your local branches of Argos, Iceland and Clinton Cards. > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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The freight still isn't moving, factories are running out of parts, produce is rotting, and retailers are more freaked about Christmas with every passing day. On Monday, Bush stepped in and appointed a three-member panel to see how badly this shutdown is hosing the economy. (We hope this isn't a difficult question, as the panel's been given all of one day to report back.) When Bush gets the report on Tuesday, the next step might be a court order to reopen the ports under the 1947 Taft-Hartley Act. That would send employees back to work for 80 days while federal mediators duke it out over the disputed contract and retailers lower their Xanax dosages. Invoking Taft-Hartley requires a threat to national health or safety -- not the economy. But Labor Secretary Elaine Chao covered that base in a statement on Monday, saying the work stoppage threatens the flow of supplies to the military (we knew Iraq would be in here somewhere). "Union officials quickly responded that their members have been unloading military cargo throughout the 10-day shutdown," said the L.A. Times, but an anonymous Bush administration official "said that only a portion of what the Defense Department needs has made it ashore." Politically, this has been a tricky one. Using Taft-Hartley would annoy labor right before congressional elections. On the other hand, "Voter discontent with Bush's handling of the increasingly fragile economic recovery has begun showing up in polls, and such concerns may have outweighed the political danger to the Republican administration," said the San Francisco Chronicle. Also, Bush stepped in on the same day that a poll reported two-thirds of Americans wanted him to focus more on the economy. "Though the administration promised an unbiased examination of the lockout, Bush appeared to have made up his mind that it was hurting national security and the economy, andmerited federal intervention," said the AP. As for Taft-Hartley, it's not exactly famous for solving labor disputes. Often the 80-day cooling-off period ends, and workers simply walk out again (or get locked out again, in this case). One gets the sense, however, that fixing the dockworkers' contract isn't the point of this particular 80 days. It's 78 days until Christmas. The race is on. - Jen Muehlbauer President Acts To Halt Port Lockout for 80 Days (Seattle Times) http://tinyurl.com/1usn Bush Expected To Act on Ports Crisis http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/business/1002/08ports.html President Moves Toward Forcing the Reopening of West Coast Ports http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ports8oct08001439,0,1021983.story Bush Takes Step Toward Halting Lockout After West Coast Port Talks Break Off (AP) http://tinyurl.com/1usk White House Intervenes on Docks Dispute (Financial Times) http://tinyurl.com/1usm Cooling-off Period Likely in Port Fight (SF Chronicle) http://tinyurl.com/1usp Bush Moves Toward Halting Port Shutdown http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/08/national/08PORT.html Trouble On The Docks http://online.wsj.com/page/0,,2_0864,00.html (Paid subscription required.) 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Federal regulators, both the FCC and the Justice Department, are concerned that the resulting conglomerate of DirecTV with Dish Network would command roughly 95% of satellite service in the US. The press could not settle on a price tag for the proposed merger between EchoStar Communications and Hughes Electronics -- it was described as being worth anywhere from $15 billion and $25 billion. It was a challenge to keep the players straight, as some outlets talked of a merger between the corporate parents, and others referred to the service monikers. Hughes is DirecTV and EchoStar is Dish. All straight? The two companies sent a letter to the FCC urging them to hold off ruling on (read, rejecting) the merger until the Justice Department has spoken. EchoStar and Hughes offered unspecified "major revisions" to the deal that they want to discuss with Justice in the next weeks. The Wall Street Journal delved deeply into the form those revisions could take -- specifically, selling some frequencies to Cablevision. The Journal reported that Cablevision has wanted to get into the satellite business for 10 years and outlined the cable company's plans and past spending on such a project. TheStreet.com turned in an extensive analysis of the deal for investors in the satellite space. It seems the market for expanded-service television may be nearing saturation. TheStreet.com quoted an analyst's report which concluded, "Consumers should benefit from ... continued rivalry, but shareholders may realize much smaller returns." The New York Times and the Journal both mentioned Rupert Murdoch waiting in the wings. Last year Murdoch's News Corp. bid for DirecTV, but lost out at the last minute to EchoStar. If the current deal falls through, he'll be back. - Keith Dawson EchoStar and Hughes Propose Concessions in Bid to Save Deal http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB103403314258094560,00.html (Paid subscription required) Regulators Set to Block EchoStar's Hughes Purchase http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1033939901346228393,00.html (Paid subscription required) 'Last-ditch effort' (Rocky Mountain News) http://tinyurl.com/1upi EchoStar, Hughes See a Glimmer of Hope http://www.thestreet.com/tech/georgemannes/10046366.html F.C.C. 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The freight still isn't moving, factories are running out of parts, produce is rotting, and retailers are more freaked about Christmas with every passing day. </P><P> On Monday, Bush stepped in and appointed a three-member panel to see how badly this shutdown is hosing the economy. (We hope this isn't a difficult question, as the panel's been given all of one day to report back.) When Bush gets the report on Tuesday, the next step might be a court order to reopen the ports under the 1947 Taft-Hartley Act. That would send employees back to work for 80 days while federal mediators duke it out over the disputed contract and retailers lower their Xanax dosages.</P><P> Invoking Taft-Hartley requires a threat to national health or safety -- not the economy. But Labor Secretary Elaine Chao covered that base in a statement on Monday, saying the work stoppage threatens the flow of supplies to the military (we knew Iraq would be in here somewhere). "Union officials quickly responded that their members have been unloading military cargo throughout the 10-day shutdown," said the L.A. Times, but an anonymous Bush administration official "said that only a portion of what the Defense Department needs has made it ashore."</P><P> Politically, this has been a tricky one. Using Taft-Hartley would annoy labor right before congressional elections. On the other hand, "Voter discontent with Bush's handling of the increasingly fragile economic recovery has begun showing up in polls, and such concerns may have outweighed the political danger to the Republican administration," said the San Francisco Chronicle. Also, Bush stepped in on the same day that a poll reported two-thirds of Americans wanted him to focus more on the economy. "Though the administration promised an unbiased examination of the lockout, Bush appeared to have made up his mind that it was hurting national security and the economy, andmerited federal intervention," said the AP. </P><P> As for Taft-Hartley, it's not exactly famous for solving labor disputes. Often the 80-day cooling-off period ends, and workers simply walk out again (or get locked out again, in this case). One gets the sense, however, that fixing the dockworkers' contract isn't the point of this particular 80 days. It's 78 days until Christmas. 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[zzzzteana] Pravda reports cities on the moon! From: Steve Speer Subject: http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/10/05/37771.html [not sure what the rules for crossposting between the two groups is... my reasoning is that it's a major newspaper reporting evidence of alien life so.... /t] -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[ILUG] cups question I seem to be having a little trouble with it. My printers.conf is: <DefaultPrinter lp> Info Hp4050 Location locals DeviceURI ipp://192.168.2.90:9100/ State Idle Accepting Yes JobSheets none none QuotaPeriod 0 PageLimit 0 KLimit 0 </Printer> and cupds uses that to make a printcap of: lp: Sounds dodgy to me. If someone has an example printers.conf/printcap for a JetDirect printer, I'd appreciate it if they sent it on. John -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [ILUG] mini-itx On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 14:13, John Moylan wrote: > Hmm, speaking of cheap machines etc, has anyone tried this sort of > thing: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/humidor64/ ? or more importantly > has anyone had any positive/negative experiences with the Via mini-itx > boards/via c3 processors. > I recall a thread last year about building a custom MP3/CD/Game/vcd > recorder machine, these systems seem to hit the mark. Also, I need to > build a new box, and I was thinking about something that would be as > unobtrusive as possible in my living room;) > > John The forums there are very informative, and there is also more info on using linux on the mini ITX boards at http://linitx.org/. A couple of the autopc projects make interesting reading in this regard: http://thisstrife.com/ but most of them seem to use windows for some unknown reason..... HTH Phil -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

[zzzzteana] "Put this in your stereo and smoke it ... " http://www.ouchytheclown.com/welcome.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] Not a materialisation, but a transfiguration On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 MICGRANGER@aol.com wrote: > Concerning this mail, what is your intention? When posting to this list excerpts from books I've just read, I usually refrain from adding any comments, letting the listmembers interpret them as they see fit. But since you asked.... I chose to post this text simply because I thought it was a particularly risible example of Doyle's invincible faith and his refusal to accept the fucking obvious. bc ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] Moon over ocean David asked: > My wife noticed something odd. The nearly-full moon was about 30 > degrees above the horizon. There was a notable glow on the horizon, > except under the moon. The moon seemed to be in a column of darkness > that was about three times the apparent width of the moon. We could see > the column over its entire length as a strip of sky darker than the sky > around it. > > Any of you ever see this? Do you have any idea what could have caused > it? I suspect it's due to some pecularity of the visual system, but > have no clear idea. I'm surprised to not find this phenomenon in Corlis. I could have sworn I saw it there. He does have the somewhat similar dark sky between a rainbow and a secondary bow. I personally have seen a rainbow enclosing a semi-circle of darker sky. I know I've read about pillars under the Sun and Moon elsewhere, but I can't recall if they were reportedly dark or bright. I do know these sorts of things are supposed to be quirks of optics not of the visual system. I'm sorry I haven't got any answers, but a search through some books on atmospheric optics ought to turn a few hints up. Bill William Jacobs Freelance Unemployed Person ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] Bad Buffalo >peter fwded: >>Finally, Constable Evans hurled a thong at the animal, hitting it on the >>head. > >I know this isn't *quite* as funny to Australians as it is to >everyone else. Honestly. > >Rachel >not that walloping it with a flip-flop isn't hilarious too... >-- well unless you used the thong like a sling shot..... -- Fel http://www.frogstone.net Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

RE: [zzzzteana] Moon over ocean >David asked: >> My wife noticed something odd. The nearly-full moon was about 30 >> degrees above the horizon. There was a notable glow on the horizon, >> except under the moon. The moon seemed to be in a column of darkness >> that was about three times the apparent width of the moon. We could see >> the column over its entire length as a strip of sky darker than the sky >> around it. >> >> Any of you ever see this? Do you have any idea what could have caused >> it? I suspect it's due to some pecularity of the visual system, but >> have no clear idea. Bill Jacobs: > I'm surprised to not find this phenomenon in Corlis. I could have sworn I > saw it there. He does have the somewhat similar dark sky between a rainbow > and a secondary bow. I personally have seen a rainbow enclosing a > semi-circle of darker sky. > > I know I've read about pillars under the Sun and Moon elsewhere, > but I can't recall if they were reportedly dark or bright. I do know > these sorts of things are supposed to be quirks of optics not of the > visual system. I'm sorry I haven't got any answers, but a search > through some books on atmospheric optics ought to turn a few hints up. Some links: comprehensive http://www.meteoros.de/indexe.htm Atmospheric Light Phenomena http://www.auf.asn.au/meteorology/section12.html interesting observational stuff from the prior millenium including pix (click 1997 / colour plates) http://www.ursa.fi/ursa/jaostot/halot/ehp/index.html more pix, many of which flip to negative to highlight details (hover cursor) http://idefix.taide.turkuamk.fi/~iluukkon/taivas/valok/88.html and subsequent links john k ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] Illusionist emerges after 24 hours underwater > An illusionist has emerged after 24 hours underwater in a case in New York's > Times Square. I'd just like to recommend the newest Viz to ukers just for the hilarious "David Blaine: Stalag Magician". The ego'd one is in a WWII prison camp and sort of trying to escape. Several times he seems to have escaped and the british officers celebrate before it's revealed he's been buried alive or hiding in a freezer. At one point he's asked why and says "Well it's not for publicity" Cracking stuff. Stew -- Stewart Smith Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] The Coming Firestorm > So now Osama bin Laden is Hitler. And Saddam Hussein is Hitler. And > George Bush is fighting the Nazis. Someone should shout "Godwin!" at him at a press conference. Then he'd have to shut up. Or does that only work on Usenet? Stew -- Stewart Smith Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] re: Steam On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:15:36 -0500 (EST) Jay Lake <jlake@jlake.com> wrote: <snip> >Second, one could make the assumption that ancient or future civilizations >would not be hydrocarbon based. There are alternative fuel sources, >including seabed methane, biomass and all the usual suspects -- solar, >hydro etc. Some of these could be exploited on a decidedly low-tech (ie, >emergent civilization) basis. However, it is difficult to conceive of an >industrial civilization that doesn't employ wheels, axles and bearings, >all of which require lubrication. I'm not an engineer (Robin, anyone?) but >it's my understanding that vegetable lubrication breaks down under stress, >and that oil or graphite lubricants are the only reasonable choices for >high temperature/high rotation applications, at least prior to extremely >advanced modes of chemical synthesis. This is a good point. There are a lot of alternatives to hydrocarbon products derived from petroleum, but these have often been developed as a replacement for petroleum after the technology has been established - there is a growing industry in plant-derived plastics and lubricants, but this is to replicate materials that have been previously created much more easily within the petrochemical industry. Vegetable-derived lubricants have been used. The Russians used sunflower oil in the lubrication systems of tanks and trucks during the second world war, and work is being done in the UK to produce diesel fuel derived from waste cooking oil from fast-food restaurants. Jay's correct in his opinion that vegetable oil is not as durable as petroleum oil, but this is only because of the lack of sophistication of the chemistry involved. Synthetic fuels and lubricants are continuously being developed, and I don't see any problems with synthetics ultimately matching the performance of the more conventional products. As the rock oil runs out, plant oil derivatives *will* be developed to fill the gap. In parallel, changes will occur in the designs of the machines to cope with any changes in performance of the lubricants. My big concern is if the technology were ever to be lost for some reason. Re-creating a petrochemical industry from scratch without petrochemicals (that is, going immediately to plant-based synthetics) would be extremely difficult, especially if it were necessary to recreate *all* of the petrochemical-derived products (not just lubricants and fuels). I suspect that, bearing in mind the ingenuity of the human race, it would happen, just at a different pace. Imagine an industrial revollution based on, for example, methane from pig manure, or diesel oil from sunflowers. All we would then have to do is get used to all the machines smelling like pig farms and fish and chip shops... Robin Hill, STEAMY BESS, Brough, East Yorkshire ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Cambodian Buddhaas unearthed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2220132.stm Tuesday, 27 August, 2002, 21:35 GMT 22:35 UK Cambodia temple ruins yield treasure Workers clearing dense jungle near the ruins of an ancient pagoda in northern Cambodia have unearthed 31 Buddha statues - 27 of them solid gold. The statues - which are 10 centimetres (4 inches) tall - are in good condition and believed to be hundreds of years old. They were found on Saturday as workers were rebuilding the Po Pich temple about 100 km (65miles) north of the capital, Phnom Penh. The pagoda, in the Batay district of Kampong Thom province, was torn down during the reign of the Khmer Rouge in the 1970s and the area became overgrown. Community care Deputy police chief of Kampong Thom province, Hang Sithim, said the statues - three of which were silver and one bronze - were buried in about one metre (3.4ft) of earth and each weigh around 500 grams (1lb). ''I think that these Buddha statues had been buried hundreds of years ago, when the last temple was fully operating," Mr Hang Sithim said. Provincial authorities initially planned to take the statues to a nearby town for safekeeping, but opted to allow the Buddhist community at the temple to take care of them. ''We believe they are safe there,'' said Som Somphat, deputy governor of Kampong Thom province. ''The people of Po Pich pledged to treat them with respect and honour.'' Reign of terror A police guard has been placed around the site to protect it from looters. The Khmer Rouge waged civil war in Cambodia between 1970 and 1998 and controlled the country between 1975 and 1979. The regime outlawed religion and destroyed many objects regarded as decadent or culturally impure. About two million people died in the Khmer Rouge's drive to turn Cambodia into a farmers' utopia. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Height, weight, girth, etc http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,781616,00.html Britons stand tall, if slightly heavy, in Europe John Carvel, social affairs editor Wednesday August 28, 2002 The Guardian Not every European dimension has been harmonised in Brussels yet. According to the Department for Trade and Industry, the average Briton stands head, shoulders, girth and bottoms above their continental partners. The figures come in a new edition of the department's handbook of anthropometric and strength measurements, compiled by ergonomists at the University of Nottingham to help manufacturers design products to fit people's shape. The volume provides 294 measurements ranging from the distance between the inner corners of the eyes to the length of the leg between the crease below the buttock to the crease at the back of the knee. It has discovered that the average British man is 36 millimetres (1 inches) taller than his French counterpart. The mean height of UK citizens is 1,755.1mm (5ft 9in). Among European men only the Dutch are taller, averaging 1,795mm and with a clear height advantage over the US men's average of 1,760.4. The average British woman is 1,620mm tall (just under 5ft 4in), compared with 1,604mm for her French counterpart, 1,610mm for the Italians and 1,619mm for the Germans. Swedish women average 1,640mm, Dutch 1,650mm and Americans 1,626.7mm More disturbingly, British men and women are heavier than all the other nationalities except the Americans, averaging 79.75 kilos for British men and 66.7 for women. The average British woman has a chest measurement of 1,007.8mm (39.7 inches), compared with 965mm for the Italians, 912.6mm for the Japanese and 806mm for Sri Lankans. American women also top this scale with an average of 1,047.2mm. The average British woman's waist is 840.6mm (33 inches) - also second largest behind the Americans. But her bottom at 873.7mm is considerably smaller than the Italians at 916mm who beat the Americans into second place. The average British male foot is 266.8mm long (10.5 inches), 6mm longer than the French and Germans, 3mm more than the Italians and 1mm more than the Swedes. But they are just beaten by the Americans at 267.8mm and massively outstripped by the Dutch at 275mm. However Dutch women have daintier feet than the British, averaging 240mm compared with 241.1mm in the UK (9.5 inches). German women average 242mm, compared with 245mm for the Swedes and 242.1mm for the Americans. The DTI has a less than exhaustive record of ring finger lengths, but on the available evidence the British man's finger at 78.7mm (3.1 inches) is 1.7mm longer than his German counterpart, but 0.2mm shorter than the American average. The British woman's ring finger at 72.6mm is 0.4mm smaller than her German counterpart and 0.3mm smaller than the American. Beverley Norris, research fellow at Nottingham university's institute for occupational ergonomics, said the figures were useful for product designers. The department has recently completed a study of the pulling force needed to open ring pull cans. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Emigrate to Russia? That's a steppe too far The Electronic Telegraph Emigrate to Russia? That's a steppe too far (Filed: 28/08/2002) So you think you've got it bad: fed up with Folkestone, bored with Birmingham or sick of Sheffield. Those 54 per cent of Britons - according to a Daily Telegraph/YouGov survey this week - who dream of a stress-free life in sunnier climes should perhaps heed a word of friendly advice on the realities of living abroad. Kommersant, a Russian daily newspaper, yesterday offered those dissatisfied with life in Blair's Britain a taste of what to expect should they choose to emigrate to provincial Russia. After reading about the gripes of affluent Britons, its tongue-in-cheek article admitted, however, that the grass was not always greener on the other side. "The inhabitants of foggy Albion keen to travel could go to any Russian city deep in the provinces where things are quiet," said Kommersant. "In any central Russian district, life, by British standards, is unseemingly cheap and remarkably laid back. By 11am most of the working population are becoming 'traditionally' relaxed." The time for elevenses in Britain - perhaps the opportunity for a quiet cup of tea and a chocolate Hobnob - is known in Russia as the Wolf Hour. It was so named in Soviet times because at 11am a wolf appeared from the famous animal clock at the Obrasov Puppet Theatre in Moscow. It is also opening time in the nation's vodka shops. And the vodka, like all other spirits, is cheap. Kommersant pointed out that "the money a Briton can earn from selling even the most shabby house would be enough to support them at the local standard of living for the rest of their life. "The local shops are full of all they would need and they could buy a bottle of whisky for kopecks." There are 100 kopecks in a ruble and the ruble is currently worth about a halfpenny in sterling. The whisky is cheap, however, because it is unlike anything the average Briton will have consumed before. It is made of samagon - home-distilled, moonshine vodka - coloured with tea, and is a popular beverage in rural areas and among diehard alcoholics. While alcohol is plentiful and cheap, food may not be so easy to come by. The newspaper pointed out that traditional British foodstuffs - it selected oxtail soup as an example - were in short supply. However, the wealth of the British settler should overcome the difficulty. "For a modest reward in most Russian villages, the locals would happily cut off the tails from the entire collective farm's herd of cattle." One or two potential emigr�s might be deterred by language difficulties. There are few English speakers to be found among the green hills of Tula on the Mongolian border. However, Kommersant pointed out, language difficulties were not considered a deterrent by the 13 per cent of Britons who nominated France as the country in which they would like to live. France, the Russian paper claimed, was a country "where English is only known by the beggars, Belorussian prostitutes and Russian tourists". Despite the low cost of living and the easy-going lifestyle, the Russian weather remains a major stumbling block for Britons. Even in the most temperate regions, winter temperatures of -20C are common. And somewhere like the Sakha Republic - east of Siberia and the coldest place in the world - enjoys just one month of summer and endures winter temperatures that drop below -70C. Houses are built on concrete stilts because the permafrost makes digging foundations impossible. Again, the Russian paper had a word of reassurance. While acknowledging the climatic problems, it said that "thanks to global warming this difficulty will solve itself". Kommersant also had an answer to the labour crisis that would be created in Britain if 54 per cent of its citizens decided to opt for a life in Russia. "Thirty-three million Russians could be sent to Britain to replace the 33 million who leave. We think that the required number could probably be found amongst our citizens." Unfortunately for those 33 million Russians, however, not one of those Britons surveyed who wanted to move abroad nominated the Russian steppes as their preferred new home. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Six arrested for attacking Palio jockey who defected The Electronic Telegraph Six arrested for attacking Palio jockey who defected By Bruce Johnston in Rome (Filed: 28/08/2002) Police waded into the intrigues and enmities surrounding the Palio, Siena's traditional bareback horse race, for the first time yesterday, arresting six people for beating up a star jockey who defected to a rival team. Angry spectators attack Giuseppe Pes at the Palio horse race in Siena Giuseppe Pes, a champion jockey of Sardinian extraction who has won the Palio nine times in 38 runs, was closely associated with the Istrice, or Porcupine, contrada - section of town - until the race earlier this month. Istrice did not have a horse in the contest - only 10 of the 17 contradas take part in each Palio - but, despite promises to the contrary, moments before the off Mr Pes mounted the horse of Lupa, or She-Wolf. Lupa are Istrice's historic rivals, and the defection was not taken well. Lupa did not win, victory going instead to Tartuca, tortoise. As its supporters erupted into joyous celebrations, Mr Pes was pulled from his mount by Istrice members and savagely beaten and kicked for seven minutes. Mr Pes, 39, whose jacket with his contrada's colours was torn from his back, was sent to hospital with fractures, cuts and bruises. Three of his attendants who tried to intervene were also beaten. Police yesterday arrested six people they said had been identified as the attackers from video footage. Experts said it was the first time that members of a contrada - known as contradaioli - had been arrested for beating up a jockey, despite the fact that such episodes belong to the race's ancient traditions. The Palio, which was first raced in the 14th century, is held twice a year on the cobbles of Siena's main square. For weeks beforehand supporters parade through the city, singing, waving flags and wearing their contrada colours. But by the day of the race the good humour evaporates. The event has no rules and is prepared for and run amid an extraordinary undercurrent of intrigue and even violence. Jockeys may swap sides at the last minute, take bribes, and whip rivals' horses, and more, so long as they do not grab their reins. The origins of the contrada lie in the Middle Ages, when the neighbourhoods' boundaries were set out to aid the many mercenary companies hired to defend Siena's fiercely earned independence from Florence and other city states. The first Palio of the year takes place on July 2, to commemorate the miracles of the Madonna of Provenzano, and a second race on Aug 16 marks the feast of the Assumption of the Virgin. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] That wacky imam http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/comment/0,7493,781769,00.html Hamza's horrid - but we must tolerate him Rod Liddle Wednesday August 28, 2002 The Guardian Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri, our maddest of mad mullahs and a cartoon bogeyman to scare the kiddies, spent a quiet and contemplative bank holiday playing with his own children in Victoria Park, Hackney. I've often wondered what incendiary Islamic fundamentalist clerics do on statutory public holidays. Head for the beach and maybe swing by B&Q on the way home, I had hoped. I had this beguiling vision of Hamza paddling in the sea, an ice-cream cone in his one good hand, the waves tickling his shins, and the sheikh mentally preparing to fix those pesky shelves in the kitchen for once, instead of planning the extermination of Zionism and America and maybe me and you, too. But B&Q and a day at the seaside is probably beyond Hamza's budget since the Bank of England froze his assets, so Victoria Park had to do. But he sounded happy enough when I spoke to him, with the babble of tiny, cheerful, Islamic proto-warriors in the background. You must know Hamza; he's the imam designed, it would seem, by the Daily Mail's cartoonist Mac. Large metal hook in place of a left hand. One eye covered by a patch, the other a baleful, watchful, milky-white. We don't mock the disabled any more these days, unless it's someone like Hamza whom we don't like; then, if you'll excuse the inapt phraseology, the gloves come off. So Hamza is known (with that vaulting imagination typical of the British right) as "Captain Hook", in articles which usually call for his arrest, or extradition to the US, or deportation back home to Egypt or maybe off to Pakistan or Afghanistan, where he fought the Russians for years and thus sustained his disabilities - anywhere, really; just out of here. And if we can't lock him up or chuck him out of the country, maybe we can force him to shut up. Because we don't like Hamza very much. We weren't that fond of him before September 11, but afterwards, in that nervy, paranoid few months when we all thought the sky might fall in, our disapprobation turned into political persecution. And now the Daily Mirror is agitating again for his arrest because they've got hold of secret videos of the man behaving in an even more inflammatory manner, urging warfare on and looting of enemies of Islam. All out of context, and a very long time ago, says the imam, not unduly bothered. But perhaps he should be, because our reputation for broad-mindedness and tolerance towards people like Hamza was thinning even before the Mirror's scoop. Hamza preaches, or preached, at the scary Finsbury Park Mosque - so, earlier this year, the Charity Commissioners banned him from doing so because of his allegedly inflammatory remarks. I didn't know Charity Commissioners were meant to do stuff like that. He has had his passport seized and not returned; his assets have been frozen. He is tailed by the police every now and then, and his access to the media is restricted by internal policing within broadcasting corporations and the press. And this last point is because, we tell ourselves, endlessly - repeating the mantra over and over again, and fervently wishing it to be true - Hamza is not "representative" of British Muslims, as if British Muslims were a simple, homogenous thing with a single voice that one could turn to every now and then for explanation. And perhaps succour. The trouble is, in the first month or so after the twin towers attack he was revealed to be rather more "representative" than the list of those government-approved Muslim spokesmen who were - uncomfortably, I suspect - dragooned briefly into statements of support for the war against terrorism and a blanket condemnation of the Taliban. An opinion poll commissioned by Radio 4's Today programme revealed that an overwhelming majority of British Muslims were against George Bush's crusade. One in six were, to put it mildly, ambivalent about the attack on the US (the remainder condemned the attack unequivocally). A large majority thought the war against terrorism was a war against Islam. Which is what Hamza said, repeatedly. But it was something that, at the time, we didn't want to hear. Now, if you quiz the man on present policy at home and abroad he comes across - superficially, at least - as someone from the liberal left. No war against Iraq; Britain to become independent of US foreign policy and attempt rapprochement with Arab states; stronger action against Israel; mistrust of global capitalism; redistribution of wealth. Nor is he particularly anti-semitic, so far as I can tell, although I don't suppose he will be holidaying in Eilat this year. In yesterday's Guardian, the chief rabbi expressed a willingness to talk to Hamza and was grateful for the sheikh's message of condolence when a London synagogue was attacked. Which is not to say that Hamza is a peaceable Jeffersonian democrat who has been wilfully misrepresented: he is, without question, rather more inflammatory in private sermons to his own people than he is in public. His ideology is an arid and uncompromising interpretation of Islam: he would be happy, in a truly Islamic society, to stone women to death for adultery, for example. You and I would find many - perhaps most - of his views utterly repellent. And that's the point. Because Hamza is the true test of our apparent desire to be multicultural. Multiculturalism is not, surely, the cheerful appropriation of bits of inoffensive minority cultural behaviour by the ruling hegemony. That is a sort of syncopated monoculturalism. Multiculturalism is, rather, the ability of society to tolerate views that are antithetical to the dominant culture - and maybe learn from them. The FBI has been investigating Hamza, but, of course, has found nothing remotely incriminating. The real reason for his vilification and persecution is simply the pungency of his views. It is often said that we should shut him up or arrest him because his rhetoric increases hostility against the Muslim population generally. This is a perfectly noble argument, but it does not wash. You don't defuse a difficult situation by pretending it doesn't exist. And if British Muslims - maybe a minority, maybe not - feel a growing sense of unease or mystification at the direction of western foreign policy, it is not because they have been led in that direction by Hamza. Shutting the man up, therefore, won't make a difference. It is rather as Louis MacNeice had it: The glass is falling hour by hour, the glass will fall for ever. But if you break the bloody glass, you won't hold up the weather. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] White Horse vandalised http://yorkshirepost.co.uk/ed/front/481722 Pro-hunt activists target top sight ONE of Yorkshire's most famous sights yesterday became one of the first targets in bizarre attacks on White Horse landmarks linked to the hunting debate. Villagers near Thirsk could not believe their eyes when they woke yesterday to find the famous White Horse of Kilburn had acquired a rider during the night. In another incident, the Uffington white horse in Oxfordshire had a huntsman and three hounds added to the ancient figure, which is thought to represent a Celtic god or tribal symbol. Pro-hunt activists in the Real Countryside Alliance (RCA) � a radical alternative to the better-known Countryside Alliance � admitted responsibility last night for targeting the two images. The 314ft by 228ft landmark at Kilburn has been lovingly preserved since it was carved in the limestone by schoolmaster John Hodgson and his pupils in 1857. But during Monday night someone nailed on a massive figure of a huntsman with a horn � which had been cut to scale out of a single piece of white carpet. It was removed yesterday by members of Kilburn White Horse Association, who found a Countryside Alliance badge attached to the carpet. John Roberts of the association said: "It has obviously been very well organised. It was a well crafted piece of kit: a figure of a huntsman with a horn cut out of carpets. "It was big and impressive and could be seen for miles about. They tied it to bushes at the top and nailed it down. It caused all the stone chippings to be pushed downwards, which will help turn the white horse grey. It will not get another refit for another year. "Whoever did it must have come with a vehicle � a tractor and trailer or a lorry � because the carpet must have come in one piece. It was extremely well planned and took several people an hour and a half to get it off." The sculpture needs constant work because, unlike chalk horses in the south of England, it is cut into limestone which is the wrong colour and needs whitening. Mr Roberts added: "The damage as such is not great but it adds to the deterioration, which means it will need more work next time. "We would have more sympathy if, having made the point, they would come to take it away again because it was a major job." Andy Wilson, chief executive of the North York Moors National Park, said: "It is a scheduled ancient monument and the local residents are very proud of it and go to enormous trouble to keep it white. There is also careful consideration of what shape it should be kept with the constant growth of vegetation so you can understand the alarm and regret at any changes. There has not been a cut in the turf � which would be much more of a problem. It would seem it was carefully plotted beforehand." An RCA spokesman said: "Some people in the country are getting very frustrated at the inaction. All we want is Ministers to take notice. Marches don't seem to be doing anything good." The Countryside Alliance said it did not have any part in the action. Spokesman Adrian Yelland said: "The Countryside Alliance only ever advocates campaigning that is lawful and dissociates itself from acts of vandalism and regrets any damage that may have been caused by this incident." The incident follows graffiti on road signs and motorway bridges in Yorkshire thought to be RCA work. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Crop Idol: Crop circle competition >>From todays Sun: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,5-2002392050,00.html Your vote on Crop Idol By OLIVER HARVEY WELCOME to Crop Idol � your chance to choose Britain's most out-of-this-wor= ld corn circle. The intricate patterns, which some say are the work of aliens, are big news= again thanks to the spooky new Mel Gibson film Signs. Nine of the best are shown on the right. You can vote for your favourite by= clicking on the image and dialling the number shown beneath. Calls cost only 10p, or 12 cents from the Republic of Ireland (though it ma= y be a bit more if you contact us from other planets). Lines close at 6pm today. We will reveal the winner tomorrow. Aliens ... or hoaxers? THE debate continues to rage over the origin of crop circles. Many believe they are simply the work of human hoaxers � while others are c= onvinced they are made by aliens trying to communicate with us. Crop circle enthusiasts insist that some of the designs appear so quickly a= nd on such a vast scale that it is impossible for humans to have made them. = Witnesses even claim to have seen balls of light moving through the fields = on the nights that circles appear. Researchers have found connections between some patterns and symbols from a= ncient religions, mathematics and even music. Crop circles were first spotted in Britain in the early 1970s and now appea= r throughout the world. The weird outlines are still most common in the sout= h of England. Theories about their cause include whirlwinds � known to circle experts as = plasma vortexes � earth energies from ley lines or even forces from the huma= n mind. In the past the circles have also been blamed on mating roe deer, hedgehogs= , helicopters and holes in the ozone layer. Raymond Cox, Chairman of the Centre for Crop Circle Studies, said last nigh= t: "It's a great unsolved mystery. "We know not all crop circles are created by humans but we cannot say for s= ure what is making them." Plus lots of photos ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] That wacky imam > Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri, our maddest of mad mullahs and a cartoon bogeyman > to scare the kiddies, spent a quiet and contemplative bank holiday playing > with his own children in Victoria Park, Hackney. For an alternative, and rather more factually based, rundown on Hamza's career, including his belief that all non Muslims in Yemen should be murdered outright: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA7201 Martin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] It's August, and big cats are on the prowl The Times August 28, 2002 It's August, and big cats are on the prowl By Alan Hamilton ROUND up the sheep. Pull on the gauntlets. Oil the shotgun. The British countryside is crawling with pumas, black panthers, fen tigers and other big, vicious cats. No corner of the nation is safe. Evidence released yesterday, including sightings, photographs, paw prints, livestock kills and hair samples, claims to prove that every county has big cats lurking in its undergrowth, poised to pounce on man and beast alike. Sightings have reached record levels in 2002, according to Daniel Bamping, founder of the British Big Cats Society, which in the past 12 months has received more than 800 reports of big cat sightings. �During the first six months we have seen an incredible amount of big cat activity. We have now had reports in every single county; the response from the public has been fantastic,� Mr Bamping said. �Big cats in Britain are real. They are out there, they are breeding; there�s more of them.� Scotland and Gloucestershire are said to be hotspots of big cat activity. Mark Fraser, who heads the society�s Scottish arm, said: �Lynx are now present in the Scottish countryside; I believe they are established and breeding. I don�t want to hazard a guess at the numbers; suffice it to say there are several hotspots, notably Fife, Aberdeenshire, Inverness and the Borders.� Next month the society plans to unveil its full dossier of evidence, which includes two dead wild cats, pictures of paw prints and tree scratchings, as well as stories of a horse strangely lacerated in West Wales and a man in Gravesham, Kent, who had to beat a hasty retreat to his garage after his hand was cut by a creature the size of a labrador dog, except that it had black hairy tufts on the tips of its ears. The society is taking the sightings seriously. It plans to set up a network of trigger-cameras throughout the country to capture further evidence of the beasts, which it will then present to the Government. It is not, however, clear on what it wants the Government to do about it all. Throwing its weight behind the pro-hunting lobby might be a start. Next in August: record abductions by aliens. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] Fwd: Hill Monuments defaced to promote hunting The hunting community showing, yet again, how utterly out of touch they are....(though the anti-Esso sign on the Long Man made me smirk last week) >From: "Carol" > >The white horses at Uffington and Kilburn have had hunters painted >onto them to 'keep the pro-hunt image in the media' > >http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_658592.html > >*boggle* How can the pro-hunt people think this will help their cause? > >Carol Giant horse images 'defaced by hunting activists' Pro-hunt activists have defaced two of the country's national monuments - the two giant white horses - to highlight their cause Campaigners for the Real Countryside Alliance say they targeted the two images, on hills in Oxfordshire and North Yorkshire, "to keep the pro-hunt thing in the papers". Ananova: Giant horse images 'defaced by hunting activists' Pro-hunt activists have defaced two of the country's national monuments - the two giant white horses - to highlight their cause. Campaigners for the Real Countryside Alliance say they targeted the two images, on hills in Oxfordshire and North Yorkshire, "to keep the pro-hunt thing in the papers". Aerial shots show the 374ft-long Bronze Age image on the Berkshire Downs near Uffington in Oxfordshire complete with three white hounds and a rider. In North Yorkshire, a rider in full hunt regalia has been added to the 300ft White Horse cut in to the hills at Kilburn, which dates back to the 1700s. But no-one reported anything to the police. A spokesman for North Yorkshire police said no reports had been received but he had seen "a red blob" on the horse and had sent officers to investigate. In Uffington, no-one in the village had heard anything about the reported incident. A spokesman for Thames Valley police said he was not aware of any complaints. Activists say the image in Oxfordshire was drawn in paint used for marking lines on grass tennis courts and will wash away in the first rains. Story filed: 21:17 Tuesday 27th August 2002 Scott "I cried for madder music and for stronger wine" Ernest Dowson _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

RE: [zzzzteana] Digest Number 2453 >JUST as the pyramids of Egypt were built in honour of great kings, it was >fitting that sandy replicas were created on Weymouth beach in memory of the >king of the castle. Fred Darrington, who became the world's most famous sand >sculptor, died last week aged 91. His grandson, Mark Anderson, who has taken >over his Dorset seafront pitch, is determined that his grandfather's name will >not be forgotten, despite the impermanence of his creations. Can someone please tell me what a "pitch" constitutes? I have an idea it is somewhat like the spots street musicians claim, but this sounds more formal. ------------------ Just an area of the beach by the prom where he's allowed to make his sculptures. Weymouth is where I spent my teenage years. My mum and one sister still live there. So I'm pretty familiar with the sculptures; pretty impressive, and very big. (I think he uses some sort of armature for some bits - it's not just sand) They usually get vandalised, though; after a lot of drinks, it obviously is a good idea to break into the enclosure and kick all the sculptures to bits. Then again, Weymouth is pretty run down, and attracts holiday makers of the worst sort. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [SAtalk] Re: patent on TMDA-like system On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 the voices made Robin Lynn Frank write: > > Tony Svanstrom, on SpamAssassin-talk, noted this US patent: > > > > http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netah > >tml/PTO/search-adv.html&r=62&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&s1=spam&p=2&OS=haiku&RS=spam > I took a bit of time to review what is on the above URL. If I were a news > editor, the headline would be: > > "Inventor" from country that ignores patents and copyrights, seeks patent for > inventing the wheel! The wheel is already patented in Australia; Melbourne man patents the wheel: <URL: http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:usJnd2dwCDQC:www.theage.com.au/news/state/2001/07/02/FFX0ADFPLOC.html+%22patents+the+wheel%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en|lang_sv&ie=UTF-8 > The sad news is that there seems to be a lot of patents (pending or not) that's for very basic/general ideas; it's the current form of "domainnapping", and it might turn uggly when people start trying to enfoce these patents. /Tony -- # Per scientiam ad libertatem! // Through knowledge towards freedom! # # Genom kunskap mot frihet! =*= (c) 1999-2002 tony@svanstrom.com =*= # perl -e'print$_{$_} for sort%_=`lynx -dump svanstrom.com/t`'

Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates.. >>>>> "M" == Mike Masnick <mike@techdirt.com> writes: M> In which world are we talking about? That may be true for the M> first sale, but once something is out in the world, the M> "creator" loses control... If I buy a chair you built, and then M> decide to give it away to my neighbor, by you're definition, he M> just stole from you. I don't endorse the whole RIAA thing, but to be accurate, you would have to duplicate the chair so that both you and your neighbour could continue to sit down, and yes, I suppose that would be more serious. They can sit on /your/ copy, but if you start churning out exact dups of a name-brand artifact, people with law degrees start to smell money. For example, I could copy a Gibson Guitar /exactly/ so long as (a) I don't put Orville's name on the headstock and (b) I license the patented bracing methods. If I instead try to sell a homebuilt guitar on eBay with "Gibson" written in crayon on the headstock, and then claim it is a true Les Paul limited edition, I expect people would get upset. M> Why is it that people don't understand that giving stuff away M> is a perfectly acceptable tactic in capitalist businesses? To play the Devil's Advocate here, it's not about giving /stuff/ away, it is about granting endless and cascading duplication/distribution rights. Even if _I_ only make the copy I give to you, that doesn't stop you from making 10000 copies to sell. M> Access to free stuff often helps to sell other stuff. This is the difficult question: How will they draw the distinction? The "other stuff" is just as easy to duplicate as the free stuff. This is why MS is hunting people with illegal Windows; it's no harder to dup than a Linux CD, only what is there that actually prevents people from doing it? Personally, I don't think the issue should have anything to do with sales or units. The issue is that basic phallacy that says a suit should be able to "own" someone else's intellectual property. Sarah McLaughlin isn't suing you, it's her label's legal dept because it's the label who stands to lose; Sarah's already fat beyond her wildest dreams, so a few bucks here or there, or even if the well dried up tomorrow, it's not going to really traumatize her (unless she's been blazingly stupid with her money) But the label ... like Disney and Mickey, they need the cash cow so they can keep all sorts of uncreative hangers-on in limos and coke. If you thought only Elvis or Brian Jones or Dennis Wilson had problems with beautiful-people deadbeat leech "friends" draining their riches, think again. The problem is really very simple because it is semantic, and until we make the semantic flip, it's unsolvable, but like trisecting an angle, all it takes is looking at the same situation in a different way. Here's the revelation: Elvis never ever made a hit record. Elvis didn't make the hits, his /fans/ made the hits. His fans did the work cleaning toilets, manning the convenience stores, driving milk trucks, sitting at endless office desks, they did the /real/ labour that paid for every last one of Elvis Presley's pills. All Elvis did was sing into a microphone every so often, and pen or collect the odd song that all those /people/ liked and wanted as something of their own. But it's not _Elvis_ who made them universal statements, it is the universe of fans who slurped the songs into their own lives, it was pull-technology, not push. Therefore the question becomes: how many times must these fans pay before they own what they themselves have created? They pay royalties for listening to the radio, for blank tapes, for concert tickets, for a beer in a bar with a cover band ... they pay over and over and over again for the /right/ to make some hack writer's song /their/ favourite song???? That's where the whole system has been seriously warped by the record companies and ad companies reframing it into your thinking that it is the Elvis who makes the Elvis. It's not. It's the people who make them; the songs are already theirs. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)

Re: Startups, Bubbles, and Unemployment (fwd) > Ultimately, there was a big > disagreement about how to sell the product (sales guys wanted to sell > the thing for a gazillion dollars to megaclients, but we thought it > would make more sense to get more people using it so we could get more > feedback from many different places). The bottom line was that the > route we wound up going (megaclients for megabucks) had a megalong > sales cycle. The sales force staffed up and tried to sell the > earliest releases of the software -- even succeeding in a few > significant cases -- but couldn't get enough to cover their own > expenses, much less the actual development of the product. Now where have I seen that before.... oh yeah... its happening to me right now...

Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates.. >>>>> "A" == Adam L Beberg <beberg@mithral.com> writes: A> I'm not displeased you're trying to help, just frustrated that A> employers can demand such rediculous combinations of skills A> with insane years of experience. >>>From my 25+ years in the playing field, IMHO the art of job-hunting (for those not yet de-jobbed) is the art of getting past the HR-stage interview and into the engineer-to-engineer interview. HR is not being honest with you so there's no ethical quandry to be totally honest with them: If they want experience numbers that would place you in the OAK project, lead them to believe that you have "something roughly equivalent" (ie "it wasn't 5 years, but it was three intense years with plenty of overtime") -- they are playing a bluff in saying /they/ know the job requirements so you're perfectly within poker rules to bluff back to say you have it. If you /don't/ have the requisite Right Stuff, the engineers can usually suss it out pretty fast during the second interview. Most often, their choice is based 90% on "who can I work with" and only maybe 10% on "how much/little will we have to tutor this candidate?" -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)

Canadians From the local paper this morning. "Canadians eat about seven times as many doughnuts per capita"... (as Americans) . D'oh! Owen

Re: [zzzzteana] FWD [fort] Evidence Britons Were In The US In The6th Century > > Barbara Blithered; > > Others indicators this was a late invention are the use of the f rune > > not only for "f", but inverted to mean "ff" (the welsh "v" phoneme) - > Stew Stired; > Isn't it the other way round, f(welsh)=v(english) ff(welsh)=f(english). Barbara Babbles; Mea culpa. That's what I get for reading my welsh dictionary upside down; "F"n trouble ;-). Barbara ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] Secondhand books online > Martin Mentioned: > >I've used this a few times and can thoroughly recommend it. It really > >doeswork. Frankly, the only drawback is finding too much stuff. >Rachel Rote; > I'll be amazed if there's anyone on here who isn't already a heavy user! Barbara Babbles; Be amazed - I've never bought anything online since an almighty cock up with amazon dot con (that's not a typo) a few years back where I lost all the dosh I'd paid them and had no books to show for it either. Had it been the UK branch I'd have had them in the small claims court quicker than you could drop LOTR on your foot and say "ouch", but as it was the US branch I'd just no comeback. Barbara ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[zzzzteana] The new Steve Earle http://www.nme.com/news/102774.htm CAM'RON associate JUELZ SANTANA has vehemently defended a lyric on the forthcoming album by the pair's DIPLOMATS crew that pays tribute to September 11 hijacker OMAR ATTA ... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [zzzzteana] The new Steve Earle > CAM'RON associate JUELZ SANTANA has vehemently defended a lyric on the > forthcoming album by the pair's DIPLOMATS crew that pays tribute to > September 11 hijacker OMAR ATTA No, Steve Earle at least USED to make great records. Martin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[ILUG] Got me a crappy laptop Hey, I has just been given an old Toshiba CS100 with earliest pentium and 400mb of HD but only a floppy drive on it, its got Win3.1 which is funny to see again but gonna be cleared as soon as i stop messing with it. What I was wondering was could anyone advise what O/S would be good for this, I want a small usable *nix distro for it that i can transfer to it fom floppy. Connecting this to Winblows>i know that winblows allows pier-to-pier connections over serial and parellel ports to other winblows but is this easy do for connecting winblows to *nix??? -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

[ILUG] find the biggest file Hi,all: Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my root directory?or the second biggest ..etc... Because I want to find out what is the reason cause my root all most full. The system is Solaris 8 Sparc. Thanks !!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

Re: [ILUG] Got me a crappy laptop On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Jon wrote: > I has just been given an old Toshiba CS100 with earliest pentium and 400mb > of HD but only a floppy drive on it, its got Win3.1 which is funny to see > again but gonna be cleared as soon as i stop messing with it. What I was > wondering was could anyone advise what O/S would be good for this, I want a > small usable *nix distro for it that i can transfer to it fom floppy. > Connecting this to Winblows>i know that winblows allows pier-to-pier > connections over serial and parellel ports to other winblows but is this > easy do for connecting winblows to *nix??? Have done exactly this with debian, only I used a PCMCIA network card and did it off ftp.esat.net (ucd bandwidth is rather good). However, if you've another machine, look into this null modem cable jobby: http://rosebud.sps.queensu.ca/~edd/t100cs.html whether you can connect that to direct cable connectionI've no idea. You could however, put the files onto windows, boot onto a ILUG BBC[tm] and mount the fat32 partition. Easier/Quicker way is to get your hands on a PCMCIA nic. Also makes the maptop far more useful in the long run. Gavin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie