o.  but there isn't anything special about 0000. No-one can "enthrone" the antichrist when they don't know who he is. Furthermore, scripture tells us that the Church won't leave at the Rapture until we DO know who he is.  It means that they prepare to do it. It is like preparing for death. You don't know how or when it's gonna happen, but you know it will. People do it without even being aware of it.  And IO have still not seen anything that has convinced me that the Church shall disappear before the coming of Antichrist.  well, it gets to Heaven before the Advent somehow! Do you mean you are unconvinced by scripture?  0 Thessalonians 0:0For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.0 Thessalonians 0:0-0 (in Context)  do you think it is a coincidence that in Revelation, the Church disappears throughout the WHOLE of the description of the Tribulation and God's judgement on the EARTH?  It is the Church which is the receptacle of the Gospel. Why do you think that here:  Revelation 00:0[ Vision of the Angel with the Gospel ] And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;Revelation 00:0-0 (in Context)  but there isn't anything special about 0000. No-one can "enthrone" the antichrist when they don't know who he is. Furthermore, scripture tells us that the Church won't leave at the Rapture until we DO know who he is.  It means that they prepare to do it. It is like preparing for death. You don't know how or when it's gonna happen, but you know it will. People do it without even being aware of it.  And IO have still not seen anything that has convinced me that the Church shall disappear before the coming of Antichrist.  well, it gets to Heaven before the Advent somehow! Do you mean you are unconvinced by scripture?  0 Thessalonians 0:0For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.0 Thessalonians 0:0-0 (in Context)  do you think it is a coincidence that in Revelation, the Church disappears throughout the WHOLE of the description of the Tribulation and God's judgement on the EARTH?  It is the Church which is the receptacle of the Gospel. Why do you think that here:  Revelation 00:0[ Vision of the Angel with the Gospel ] And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;Revelation 00:0-0 (in Context)  the Gospel is having to be returned to the earth?  I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. This does in no way indicate that the Church shall dissapear before the Second Coming. Again, this is just your interpretation.  If all christians could just interpret the scriptures by themselves, there would have been no reason for the apostles to write the Epistles. The christians in Corinth and Thessalonika and all the other places could just have understood the faith by themselves.  Logged  Do not be cast down over the struggle - the Lord loves a brave warrior. The Lord loves the soul that is valiant.  As for numbers not carrying literal significance, this is most strange. When God attaches a number of years to a genealogy for example, it tells us something literal. Now, the fact that Orthodoxy has no insight into these things is another matter. Why don't you just say so? Since your insight is supposedly 'spiritual', go ahead and give me the 'spiritual' meaning of Daniel's 00 weeks. It is the cover story for every gap in Orthodox thinking.  