  00-00-0000, 00:00 AM  You being loudly wrong in that thread doesn't make you right in this one. :D  You being loudly wrong in this thread doesn't make you right in that one :cool:  I have less faith in a new discussion by relative N00Bs than I do in a couple of decades of discussion that explored these issues in far more depth than the half dozen posts you linked.  I've been around here almost as long as you have.  Confusion reigns -- because people, including Brandon Sanderson, don't make a distinction between "Prophecy" and "prophecy."  In short, with the exception of the "corruption" difference between Randland's copies of The Karetheon Cycle and Seanchan copies, Prophecy, with a Capital letter are absolute predictions from 0,000 - 0,000 years ago. What is written will absolutely happen -- if you can figure out what a Prophecy means.  Foretelling, with a capital, the OP Talent, is an absolute prediction. This is distinct from generic "foretelling" which is any predictive effort from any source. According to RJ, Foretelling, the OP Talent, is absolute and immutable if hard to decipher to the point of worthlessness.  