.  Dave  When a finger points to the moon, the imbecile looks at the finger.  Omnia mutantur nihil interit.  The more you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go  Still a great read. I know you and I have discussed the Loricariad family at length in the past but it is nice to get all that info into one place. BTW, did you ever get your A. claro to spawn? When you and I talked about them a couple of years ago you were hoping they would but where not extrememly optomistic about it.  Still a great read. I know you and I have discussed the Loricariad family at length in the past but it is nice to get all that info into one place. BTW, did you ever get your A. claro to spawn? When you and I talked about them a couple of years ago you were hoping they would but where not extrememly optomistic about it.  