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https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4989&end=4993 | and then the Church Committee investigations of the 1970s, | english | 4,989.32 | 4,992.72 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4992&end=4998 | which were investigations into the FBI, the CIA, that really | english | 4,992.72 | 4,997.24 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4999&end=5003 | have about all of their abuses over the course | english | 4,999.2 | 5,002.72 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5004&end=5009 | In that moment, coming out of the 1960s, | english | 5,004.48 | 5,008.04 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5008&end=5014 | you had a pretty consistent set of political sentiments | english | 5,008.04 | 5,013.04 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5015&end=5020 | were much more critical of the FBI in particular | english | 5,015.8 | 5,019.12 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5021&end=5025 | Republicans and conservatives tended to love the FBI, | english | 5,021.1 | 5,024.32 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5028&end=5032 | And today, that has flipped very dramatically. | english | 5,028.46 | 5,031.7 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5031&end=5036 | And some of that simply has to do with the Trump-era | english | 5,031.7 | 5,035.42 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5037&end=5042 | I think has to do with a broader sense | english | 5,037.74 | 5,041.42 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5041&end=5046 | that the part of the FBI that is, in fact, | english | 5,041.42 | 5,045.28 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5045&end=5051 | about fact finding and expertise and law enforcement | english | 5,045.28 | 5,050.96 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5050&end=5056 | is itself worth protecting in a period when facts | english | 5,050.96 | 5,055.84 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5060&end=5067 | a situation in which a lot of the most vocal deep state critiques are coming | english | 5,060.78 | 5,066.24 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5066&end=5071 | from the right. And I think you can see a little bit of that during Hoover's years. I mean, | english | 5,066.24 | 5,070.8 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5070&end=5077 | particularly among white supremacist groups in the white South, there's always a lot of resistance to | english | 5,070.8 | 5,076.48 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5076&end=5083 | federal authority, to the FBI. And so I think you can see some of those strains coming out now. | english | 5,076.48 | 5,082.32 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5082&end=5088 | And of course, there's always been a sort of libertarian critique of the security | english | 5,082.32 | 5,087.32 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5087&end=5093 | state of federal surveillance, the deep state. | english | 5,087.32 | 5,092.16 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5094&end=5100 | There's no question Hoover is an architect of that. | english | 5,094.34 | 5,099.36 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5099&end=5103 | And some of that politics come out of his era. | english | 5,099.36 | 5,102.48 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5107&end=5115 | with over the years about Hoover and both looking | english | 5,107.6 | 5,114.2 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5114&end=5118 | at him from the outside and then just speaking with him | english | 5,114.2 | 5,117.44 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5122&end=5126 | been in a very difficult position where it's | english | 5,122.8 | 5,125.96 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5125&end=5130 | situated in the executive branch. | english | 5,125.96 | 5,129.06 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5129&end=5135 | It is supposed to be nonpartisan fact-finding right outside of politics. | english | 5,129.06 | 5,134.64 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5134&end=5140 | And yet again and again in its history, it gets dragged into these incredibly politicized | english | 5,134.64 | 5,139.6 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5139&end=5146 | investigations, incredibly partisan situations, where it's legitimately quite difficult to figure out | english | 5,139.6 | 5,145.88 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5147&end=5151 | Hoover had that experience quite often, | english | 5,147.24 | 5,150.44 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5150&end=5155 | especially in the 60s around the major assassinations, | english | 5,150.44 | 5,154.4 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5154&end=5159 | later on for the FBI around Watergate. | english | 5,154.4 | 5,158.28 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5158&end=5163 | And I think you can see exactly that structural tension at play | english | 5,158.28 | 5,162.92 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5165&end=5170 | in a very particular partisan way at the moment. | english | 5,165.56 | 5,169.02 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5169&end=5174 | But yes, defund the FBI is not coming from the left | english | 5,169.02 | 5,173.72 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5182&end=5190 | How do you think he maintained that power so consistently? | english | 5,182.4 | 5,189.16 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5189&end=5194 | And number two is, you mentioned President Kennedy | english | 5,189.16 | 5,193.6 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5198&end=5203 | Well, I think those questions are related to each other. | english | 5,198.84 | 5,202.82 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5202&end=5208 | And I think the easy answer, probably the most popular | english | 5,202.82 | 5,207.4 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5211&end=5218 | that he had files on lots of important people in the media, | english | 5,211.92 | 5,217.16 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5222&end=5226 | And it's certainly the case with John Kennedy | english | 5,222.08 | 5,225.64 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5225&end=5232 | that the FBI knew an awful lot about Kennedy's sex life. | english | 5,225.64 | 5,231.4 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5231&end=5236 | They knew an awful lot about kind of covert action | english | 5,231.4 | 5,235.84 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5241&end=5246 | shared a girlfriend with the head of the Chicago mob. | english | 5,241.06 | 5,245.24 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5245&end=5249 | So pretty, pretty compromising stuff. | english | 5,245.24 | 5,248.68 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5251&end=5256 | And so I think that's at least part of the story, | english | 5,251.36 | 5,255.72 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5260&end=5265 | But one of the things that I wanted to really bring out | english | 5,260.48 | 5,264.36 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5267&end=5274 | as this form of coercion, because he had lots of support | english | 5,267.6 | 5,273.48 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5276&end=5280 | And he was incredibly skilled at building that support. | english | 5,276.24 | 5,279.6 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5279&end=5283 | So the main reason that many presidents didn't fire him | english | 5,279.6 | 5,282.92 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5282&end=5291 | is that he was really, really useful to them. right? He would do their bidding, he would keep their secrets, he was | english | 5,282.92 | 5,290.32 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5290&end=5297 | occasionally, you know, resistant in ways that they didn't appreciate, but often | english | 5,290.32 | 5,296.28 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5296&end=5304 | was incredibly accommodating to what the White House wanted done. So he had control over | english | 5,296.28 | 5,303.72 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5303&end=5309 | his bureaucracy, he did what presidents wanted, and they saw value in him. | english | 5,303.72 | 5,308.84 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5308&end=5313 | But he was also really good at creating | english | 5,308.84 | 5,312.36 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5314&end=5318 | The FBI built up relationships with organizations | english | 5,314.44 | 5,317.76 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5322&end=5327 | And they, sort of any time anyone critiqued the FBI, | english | 5,322.2 | 5,326.4 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5326&end=5330 | every American Legion post would sort of rise up | english | 5,326.4 | 5,329.4 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5329&end=5333 | in protest about our great heroic FBI director. | english | 5,329.4 | 5,332.88 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5334&end=5339 | He had a huge amount of energy devoted to public relations | english | 5,334.44 | 5,339 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5349&end=5353 | committees, he was really smart about building | english | 5,349.08 | 5,352.08 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5352&end=5357 | a series of mutually beneficial relationships | english | 5,352.08 | 5,356.38 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5356&end=5361 | with congressmen and senators in particular, a lot of whom | english | 5,356.38 | 5,360.28 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5360&end=5364 | really liked him and really supported him. | english | 5,360.28 | 5,363.28 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5365&end=5373 | this is indicative of his power more broadly, | english | 5,365.96 | 5,372.6 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5377&end=5381 | knew that Hoover had a lot of information, the ability | english | 5,377.16 | 5,380.88 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5382&end=5386 | And Kennedy also says that he actually | english | 5,382.84 | 5,385.92 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5385&end=5390 | thinks that J. Edgar Hoover is, A, more popular, | english | 5,385.92 | 5,389.4 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5389&end=5395 | and B, has a more loyal political constituency | english | 5,389.4 | 5,394.24 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5395&end=5400 | And so they thought Hoover was more powerful, more popular, | english | 5,395.72 | 5,399.92 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=5399&end=5405 | and not a place to waste a lot of political capital. | english | 5,399.92 | 5,404.6 |