Is hip-hop ruining pro sports? 

In Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky talks about how he was once into sports, to the point where he’d occasionally show up to a high school football game, but then one day it occurred to him that he didn’t even know anyone on the football team.  So fuck it!  This pretty much sums up how I feel about sports.  They can be an amusing diversion, provided you don’t have cable or anything, but who has the time these days?  Nothing against people who are really into sports.  I’m just saying. 

Probably the last time I wrote about sports on this site was the time when Pacman Jones made it rain in the strip club and a buncha people ended up getting shot.  Most likeky, I would’ve found that story hilarious regardless, but there was also obviously a hip-hop element, what with Fat Joe and Lil’ Wayne’s “Make It Rain” being a popular song at the time.  Come to think of it, there was also that story about how Jay-Z and Larry Johnson went half on some astroglide an apartment, though that could be viewed more so as one of my hip-hop = teh ghey stories.  Nullus. 

The latest such incident involves Michael Vick, who’s apparently been running a dogfighting ring in his part time to supplement the ridonkulous sum he receives for running around with a ball in his hand.  No homo?  Why he would need any more money than he already has is beyond me, but you know how it is with these black athletes and celebrities trying to pay everyone in their entourage as if they actually provide a useful service.  I wouldn’t want to speculate too much with regard to his financial situation. 

But obviously the main issue here is that he had a little money in his pocket and he wanted to make even more money.  And you can’t really fault a guy for that, can you?  That’s what being wealthy in this country is supposed to be about: making your money work for you.  The problem, of course, lies in the fact that he’s still just a guy who gets paid to run around with a ball in his hand, not a visionary venture capitalist like 50 Cent.  What’s he gonna do, become a hedge fund manager in his part time?  In fact, I’m convinced this is the reason why you occasionally see ostensibly well-paid pro athletes getting caught transporting large quantities of drugs.  Gotta flip that dough to get mo dough fa sho! 

And then of course there has to be a hip-hop element to this.  I mean, when’s the last time a young black person got caught fucking up and there wasn’t some sort of hip-hop element?  On the one hand you can’t help but be upset to see hip-hop constantly take the blame for all of society’s ills, the vast majority of which existed long before there was a such thing as hip-hop as we know it today.  But on the other hand, fuck hip-hop.  After all, who’s fault is it that hip-hop (and hence young black culture in general) has become so synonymous with crime to the point where Billy X. Sunday puts together a list of the greatest “hip-hop” films of all time, and all there is is a buncha movies where people sell drugs and shoot at one another?  If you said it’s the white man’s fault, then I heard Michael Eric Dyson has a bridge he’d like to sell you. 

It’d be difficult in this case to find a connection to hip-hop as direct as “Make It Rain” being a popular song in clubs and on the radio during the aforementioned incident, but I see some fervent anti-hip-hop types are putting forth DMX as one example.  I’m not sure if DMX ever raised any dogs for the specific purpose of dog fighting, but I’m sure he at least had them trained to fuck somebody up.  At the very least, you’d never see DMX walking around with the kind of fruity-looking dogs you see white girls walking around with. ( Probably on their way to yoga.)  Not to do any conservatives’ jobs for them (which might constitute snitching, if you live in that kind of neighborhood), but there was once a hip-hop film called Fresh, which had a subplot that involved dog fighting.  Biggie Smalls once rapped about feeding his dogs gun powder, and I believe there was once a cover of a Kool G Rap album where he was sicking some dogs on some white people.  Big Boi from OutKast raises pit bulls to sell rather than to fight, but whatever.  He’s kinda short anyway, but he could stand to be taken down a notch or two. 

In general though, there does tend to be this idea in hip-hop that not only is criminal activity the only way a black man can make money, so as to escape his miserable existence in the ghetto (an area which is fucked up precisely because there’s so many criminals there in the first place, though that’s a topic for another discussion), but if he’s lucky, he just might get away with it.  Meanwhile, when is this ever really the case?  The incarceration rate among young black males speaks for itself.  Personally, I don’t care enough about dogs to get too upset about what Michael Vick did, but I do find it extremely bothersome that someone with his means would even put himself at risk like that.  I don’t generally wish jail on anyone who doesn’t pose any threat to actual human beings (you know, like walking around in the mall with an AK-47 stuffed in your fur coat), but I wouldn’t be too upset if the judge threw the book at his ass.  If anything, it might send out a message to today’s youth that you just can’t fuck up like that and hope to get away with it. 

For more on the Michael Vick incident, check out this week’s Barbershop, the NPR program with my boy jimi izrael.  And here’s a column on the supposed connection between the Michael Vick incident and hip-hop by Jason Whitlock, that one guy from the Don Imus incident, who’s gradually emerging as a younger though equally as chubby version of Stanley Crouch, just in case Stanley Crouch dies or something. 

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Champlain

No, but America would love to blmae them…

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not hiphop but society.  most of these pro players grew up in circumstances where they dont know how to handle all the sudden fame and money.  plus they continue to hang with the same so called “friends”, who really are only around for the money and to bring them down.  hiphop doesnt make pro players act stupid.  they do that on their own. 

TC

Are u fucking Kidding me ? 

Chitown420

nope

http://www.myspace.com/bkcyph BK CYPH

No, Mob-affiliated NBA refs are ruining pro sports! 

http://www.xxlmag.com/?p=12384 jay

ARE U SERIOUS!!!!  so now hiphop is bringing sports down too WOW!  this shit is fuckin nuts hip hop is blammed for everythin.. next thing u kno hiphop will be blammed for 9/11 n hurricane katrina this shit is ridicilous

Fernando

Bol,

1.  You really are a hipster cracka disguised as a fat black woman.  When Biggie said “I feed my dogs gun powder”, he was making reference to his guns a la what Tupac said, “I got two rotwilers by my bead, I feed ‘em lead”

2.  Yes, Hip-Hop is effing things up for the black community, even though I enjoy some ignorant-a$$ rap as much as anybody.  Making it rain, White Gurl “CHRISTINA AGUILERA!!  AAAYYYYY”, and every other song that basically makes it cool to take people out, pimp, buy rims before houses, leave school to hustle, etc.  etc.  etc.  But then people will say that all that stuff existed before Rap, and Rap is only a way of reporting what is going on, and it is all whiteys fault. 

This may have been true when RUN-DMC, Kool Herc, Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow, Rakim, KRS-One, Grandmaster Flash, etc.  were rapping, but Rap nowdays definitely glorifies destructive lifestyles that young black kids follow like it was JC himself telling them to do it. 

ri067953

Yo, this is an excellent post!  Today’s hip-hop artist are too blame.  At least those that promote a lifestyle of excess that is acheived through criminal activity.  All these fools, like Pacman and MV got money and now feel it is their duty to live their life like the hip-hop characters that they see on TV.  Hip-hop has always been surrounded by a criminal element but it was never glorified in the way that it is now.  This is why you see PR stunts like Remy Ma shooting someone to increase record sales and status.  It is straight up clownery. 

Not only has hip hop fucked up sports, but more importantly it has crippled blackmen as a whole.  Anything be it music, tv, books that constantly degrades women and ourselves is a fucking abomination.  I use to love hip hop but to be honest the older I get the less I like this new age bullshit.  The shit out now isnt rap it’s nonsense, if every other rap lyric is bitch, nigga, hoes then thats not rap.  Their are a few cats out still doing real rap; little brother, common, talib, masta ace etc but the love that use to be in hip hop is dead, everybody got beef, everybody wanna be the king, this shit is digusting and any so called rapper with any conscience or sense wouldnt be mnaking records talking about wait till you see my dick. 

b-ease

This may have been true when RUN-DMC, Kool Herc, Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow, Rakim, KRS-One, Grandmaster Flash, etc.  were rapping, but Rap nowdays definitely glorifies destructive lifestyles that young black kids follow like it was JC himself telling them to do it. 

Word. 

Cuban Link

How did old Vicky get caugtht anyway?I mean I never understand how people get charged with this shit, unless he got caught in the act or some shit. 

FELIX

First off homeie this story is totally flawed like the trite and confusing slang you use.  What the hell does teh ghey mean.  Then you stae that he supplements his income by fighting dogs dou your reasearch first homie!  I read in the full text of his federal indictment that he made a maximum bet of up to 13,000.  Please tell me how he is going to supplement his income when he has a contract of up to 130 milllion. “ you know how it is with these black athletes and celebrities” Its funny how you make assumptions and generalizations about blacks see as how you are black which only makes me pity you more.  You express your disdain for Stanley Crouch yet from looking at your other shoddy posts you make Crouch look like Huey P. Newton. 

Fernando

Felix,

You obviously haven’t read a Bol post before.  He knows Vick is balling, and was basically making fun of how stupid it was for a guy with that much money to be taking such a big risk with fighting dogs.  And assumptions about blacks that Bol makes are at least half-true, which is definitely good enough for Bol.  Black celebrities and athletes tend to roll with huge herds of people, which obviously takes money to support.  Instead of helping them get real jobs or hooking them up with a business idea, they just let them mooch and carry their weed. 

“Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky”
What else did you learn from Noam Chompsky’s book? 

“Biggie Smalls once rapped about feeding his dogs gun powder”. 

The reference was a metaphor for how well protected he is. “ The Warning” was a song about him being robbed, the feeding his rotweiler’s gun powder was a metaphor…Gaurd dogs and guns=protection…

these posts are racist

“…sell drugs and shoot at one another?  If you said it’s the white man’s fault, then I heard Michael Eric Dyson has a bridge he’d like to sell you.” 

If you don’t understand the history of racism and poverty in this country and the symptoms caused by racism (dejure and defacto) and poverty, then George Bush has a war he wants to sell you. 

You’re not even any where near Professor Dyson’s level playboy…how dare you disrespect him and dimsiss him with a cheesy line like the one above. 

HNIC

Short answer; “Hell to the no…”

Although, you can’t deny hip hop’s impact on popular culture, I find it to be ridiculous to blame an entire musical genre for the destructive actions of a few individuals.  By using the logic that “hip hop is to blame” would be the equivalent to linking other genres to horrific tragedies like Columbine, 9/11 and the V.A. Tech Shootings.  You could use the argument that Rock music or whatever type of music that terrorists listen to, would be the catalyst that inspired their respective culprits to commit such heinous acts against humanity and society.  But the question remains, who truly knows the evils that lurk within the hearts of men?  I submit that the guilty individual(s) should be accountable for their own actions. 

Jimmy Jump

Bol – what or who do you suppport??  I read your column because I find it amusing (in a stupid sort of way but funny none the less).  People make bad decisions you can’t blame hip-hop, that’s like saying heavy metal is responsible serial killers.  He along with everyone else just needs the right people around him so stupid sh*t like that won’t happen.  Nullus. 

CL

Hip Hop is always to blame huh?  Whatever.  As far as Whitlock goes, he will blame everything on hip hop.  Next thing you know, he will be saying the reason he is a fat ass is because all of the hip hop music is played at bbqs by black folks, and that if Nas or Jay-Z had just rapped about eating fruits and vegatables, he wouldn’t be as fat.  Get da fuck out of here.  Michael Vick made these decisions, not hip hop, because he was stupid.  I have listenend to hip hop, even DMX, and my black ass ain’t ever want to fight no damn dogs or be a dope dealer.  That’s because I had a father who was a prison warden who scared the shit out of me.  So lay the blame for Vick’s decisions where they need to be laid, at Vick’s feet. 

Fernando

Jimmy Jump,

Heavy Metal probably IS responsible for some serial killers!  Have you heard some of that crap??  I damn near feel like murking somebody myself after listening to that garbage for 5 minutes. 

And what if the youth of an entire race make bad decisions far more frequently than others, and their primary male role models are on TV doing the exact things that they are getting caught doing (pimping, killing, hustling, etc.)??? 

This is not an islolated incident like HNIC & Jimmy Jump are trying to say.  Something like over 50% of black males get locked up before age 21.  Some of that may be racism, but a lot of that is fatherless kids trying to be like Young Jeezy and make it out the hood selling yayo (bad idea btw)

People should be accountable for their own sh*t, but this isnt an isolated thing that is happening.  Its about finding trends.  Young black murderers / drug dealers probably tend to listen to gangster rap, not Cat Stevens.  The amount of influence it has cant be determined though, but there is a trend.  Just like every terrorist is some kind of crazy muslim.  The music they listen to is probably all over the place, but they all tend to practice some F*cked up form of Islam.  And the trend with crazy white boys that shoot up schools and torture squirrels is usually that they listen to some form of death metal and dress like gothy fruits.  Trends people, trends. 

Go to some high school basketball game in your nearest ghetto.  Tell me what the kids dress like, talk like, act like, and remind you of……RAP VIDEOS!  They get their style, their lingo, and their bahavior from these manufactured role models that are really just making money off of the weak and disenfranchised who have nothing else to look up to.  THERE IS A CONNECTION

suckaniggadickmakeaniggarich

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ILLYUM

The day has finally arrived.  Noam Chomsky has (albeit superficially) finally made his way into XXL.  Yes!  Michael Eric Dyson was right. 

“Just like every terrorist is some kind of crazy muslim…And the trend with crazy white boys that shoot up schools…”

So a “crazy white boy” who commits mass murder is not a terrorist?  Only when a Muslim commits such a crime does it equate to terrorism?  Interesting.  What percentage of Muslims commit “terrorist” acts? 

me nigga

let the crackers tell it hip hop ruins evry thing.  shit bill orielly mite as well get on tv and say we fuckin up the ozone

Tyler

Great post BoL, even if your ideas are a bit mis-guided bro and Jason Whitlock is a punkass hoe bitch. 
Hip Hop don’t have nothing 2 do with everything that is wrong in the world bro. &  Don’t hip hop pay your pay check so 2 speak anyway?  So don’t bite the hand that feeds U so much. 
Wit’ Vick and the dog fighting U should be asking the questions: Why is dog fighting illegal in the 1st fuckin’ place?  Why is cock fight illegal?  Why is quail hunting legal?  Why is Deer Hunting legal?  What kinda sick shit do they do 2 GreyHounds 2 make them chase that fake ass rabbit around the track?  And what do they do 2 the losers?  What do they do 2 Horses that make them race so well?  And why is ‘dat legal? 
I am not wit’ hurting animals at all in any form but I gotta call it how I see it.  All those things that are legal are legal cause white people want them 2 be legal cause that’s shit ‘dat they do.  The shit that is illegal is illegal cause it’s what black people do or what Black people can get paid off of.  So what if Vick went Nino Brown on some damn dogs 2 help his boys pick up some extra scratch.  It was dumb but yet what’s worst doing ‘dat or lying 2 a grand jury about leaking the name of a CIA agent then getting off for it?  What’s worst?  Killing a Pit that was part bitch anyway cause it wouldn’t fight or lying 2 the public 2 get billions on top of billions or dollars while soliders die left & right 4 a fake ass War against the wrong country?  BoL, I just think that your writing skills could be put 2 much better use on much more important subjects of substance rather than jumping on the idoit white people powers 2 be band wagon. . .  It’s innocent until proven guilty my brotha’ so remember that next time yo ass get caught tryin’ 2 buy some pussy from a 25 dollar 4 a blow transvestite.  Again, I ask U 2 use your gift of gab on 9/11 or the movie Loose Change.  That in itself would be keeping it Hip Hop, dude. 
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Let Vick Live……. 

we got niggaz authorizing Death Penalties to humans but gettin up and arms about dogs which are purchased for the purpose of prize fighting,

man go suck a dead dogs dick….i wake up and see people literally sleeping on concerete amongs filth and muthafuckaz wanna get all pseudo-social over a dude who chose to fight-dogs? 

fuck outta here…..dog-fighting been depicted in movies since i was a a kiddie and i was born a few months b4 1980, thats an obvious imitation of what da fuck has been goin on b4 Bruce Lee was fighting grasshoppers. 

put it like this, some of these same people who celebrated the life of Tookie Williams getting deprived from him, despite his on-going crusade for sincere redemption are now defending animals and shit but would praise the death of a human…..

go suck a dick and the media needs to stop blamming hip-hop, leave from their gated-communities and really see shit like this is a reflection of what da fuck is goin on in society and not a fuckin rap song!!! 

If u can sell pussy legally via strip clubs and vegas brothels and fuck up young womens potential in life for some quick cash, why da fuck can’t you fight a dog that you purchased wit ya money???? 

These dumb fucks don;t realize they placing the lives of animals over human quality of life.  how fuckin oxyMORONIC. 

good shit dumb asses! 

Cuban Link

TPAR,

a crazy white boy who shoots up his school isnt a terrorist. Being Muslim has nothing to do with it. 

If a 17 year old goes to school guns ablazing, he obviously is sick in the head. He has problems, he isnt a terrorist. He has specific targets, the people at that school. A terrorist is someone who knows nothing of the people he intends to hurt, nor cares who he hurts. A crazy white boy shooting up a school’s job is to kill kids. A terrorist’s goal is not to kill thousands of people, but scare millions of people. 

If a white kid brought a bomb on to the subway and exploded it, he would, in my mind, be a terrorist. If a Muslim kid came with a shotgun to class and killed his teachers, he wouldnt be a terrorist, just a nutjob. 

Ryan

Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso, you’re a fucking moron plain and simple. “ WY DA FUCC CANT U FIGHT A DOGG U BOUGHT WIT UR MONEY?”  I don’t know jackass, WHY CAN’T I BUY PEOPLE AND TRAIN THEM TO FIGHT, IT’S MY MONEY RIGHT???  FUCK YOU!!!  I don’t normally get this pissed, but your ignorance is fucking intolerable.  Dogs live and breathe, just like you, except they’re most likely not from the shallow end of the genepool that your goo was concieved from.  I hope a dog attacks you and bites your fucking nuts off. 

As far as hip hop ruining lives or whatever, it’s purely entertainment.  I’m going to be that if Michael Vick learned about dog fighting, it wasn’t from a rapper, it was from family, friends or neighbors. 

Cuban Link

what the fuck is it with my posts not showing up? 

mars

Urghhh!!  If you wanna comment on the vick thing then just do it, you don’t have to shoehorn the word hip-hop into every column.  Its a story relvant to the website’s audience. 
My personal take is this is just another high profile fuck-up. 

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>Michael Vick, who’s apparently been running a dogfighting ring in his part time to supplement the ridonkulous sum he receives for running around with a ball in his hand.  No homo? 

^Im glad sum1 else realized that thats all he does. 

Around and Around

Cuban Link Says:

July 24th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
TPAR,

a crazy white boy who shoots up his school isnt a terrorist. Being Muslim has nothing to do with it. 

If a 17 year old goes to school guns ablazing, he obviously is sick in the head. He has problems, he isnt a terrorist. He has specific targets, the people at that school. A terrorist is someone who knows nothing of the people he intends to hurt, nor cares who he hurts. A crazy white boy shooting up a school’s job is to kill kids. A terrorist’s goal is not to kill thousands of people, but scare millions of people. 
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So what about the Asian dude at Virgina Tech, he didn’t know anyone he was killing.  How do you explain that?  He shot up a school, wanted to scare everyone.  Is he not a terrorist yet? 

aint no nigga rapping fight no dusty azz pit bulls….  vick got speed but jail cells aing big as a football field.  maybe he should have played tight end cause he gon need one….hahaha

around and around

Fernando Says:

July 24th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
Just like every terrorist is some kind of crazy muslim.  The music they listen to is probably all over the place, but they all tend to practice some F*cked up form of Islam. 
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Are you actually sure of this?  Or maybe there can be other factors involved?  Have you ever considered the root cause of this?  Do you really believe that bullshit excuse, “They hate our freedom”

Learn some history this is nothing really new.  China and its’ wars with Britian.  Called the First and Second Opium War. ( first started 1840)
Fredrich Engles Wrote during the first war: “the people were quiet; they left the Emperor’s soldiers to fight the invaders, and submitted after defeat with Eastern fatalism to the power of the enemy.” 
-So they were defeated, they accepted it, for some time. 

Then 15 years later at the beginning of the second war Engles writes: “the mass of people take an active, nay fanatical part in the struggle against the foreigners.  They poison the bread of the European community at Hongkong by wholesale, and with the coolest premeditation They go with hidden arms on board trading steamers, and, when on the journey, massacre the crew and European passengers and seize the boat.  They kill and kidnap every foreigner within their reach.” “ emigrating to foreign countries rise in mutiny, and as if by concert, on board every emigrant ship, and fight for its possession, and, rather than surrender, go down to the bottom with it, or perish in its flames.” 

So look even then, these people were willing to give their lives (See Suicide) in order to fight the british?  Does this have anything to do with their religion?  Could it be that a subject population has nothing left, and would just rather lash out at the oppressor rather than be stuck under his thumb? 

As M. Shadid Alam said: Is it possible that the Muslims too are waging a “popular war,” a war for the dignity, sovereignty of Islamic peoples? 

Read Noam Chomsky, and on a side note fuck weezy

Christian Prz. 

I’ve finally figured out why you’ll never make it into the real so-called journalism; you’re too narrowminded.  I’m not speaking of the actual topic you chose to cover today, just generally, ye’know?  Broaden your perspective and you might actually go places, ’cause the whole writing thing you already got down. 

And stop the no homo, chances are people will just end up thinking you’ve got something to hide. 

http://www.xxlmag.com EReal

Cant blame this one on hiphop.  DMX has his dogs TATTED on him, he isnt fightin his dogs.  I could give a shit less.  Everyones freakin out and handingdown indictments about some fuckin dogs, in the meantime Tupac and Biggies killers are still at large and so is Osama Bin Laden.  Maybe people should realize that theres bigger things we need to be doing and these short sighted media frenzy by the right wing media corporations that spin out of control are to take the focus off how the extremist muslims are ruining the world and killing americans every day with their cowardace.  Who gives a fuck about some dogs or Mike Vick, the most overrated player in the game by the way. 
Ghetto is as Ghetto does and you can Take em out the Trailer Park but you cant take the Trailer Park out of em. 

That is all. 

1 hunned. 

these posts are racist

EREAL-

You’re an ignorant racist bitch. 

around and around

Ereal:
“take the focus off how the extremist muslims are ruining the world and killing americans every day”
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Now that’s hilarious. “ Running the world” just answer this simple question simpleton….What country has a military base in practically every nation on earth….??????  I’ll answer it for you America.  Who’s really running shit knucklehead? 

And as far as killing Americans everyday…I think America is winning the numbers game they’ve killed over 600,000 people in Iraq alone. 

http://www.rich-arte.blogspot.com Rich Arte

this was actually a good post bol…i didn’t expect it but i liked it.  You gave a somewhat unbiased opinion and you managed to do it without incorporating too much of your invented vocabularty (nullus).  It was refreshing to get a good clean read from your column without you degrading your own race.  kudos to you.  as for vick, he’s probably not gonna do time, just pay off his fines and do an alpo commercial.  celebrities get off so easy (no pun intended). 

http://www.rich-arte.blogspot.com Rich Arte

why didn’t they ever find Pac and Biggies killers???  I’ve seen documentaries where they have enough evidence to call forth suspects.  where is the closure?  where is the concern?  so do a post about that ToiletBol…

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Me, I’m just pissed that the Saints let the Falcons sign Joe Horn right under their noses. 

You know who is a good dude?  Warrick Dunn. 

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I don’t know whether it’s a hip-hop influence that’s ruining pro sports, but you made a lot of good points nonetheless. 

You forgot to mention the travesty that NBA All-Star Weekend has become, and that stars like Tracey McGrady are considering not attending this upcoming season’s in New Orleans due to the fear they have of the knuckleheads it attracts. 

derfla the hus’la

fuck you!!!! 

Tray

You know, the great thing about you Bol is that you’re really becoming a racist and gradually coming to appreciate the massive inferiority of your own people.  And as they say, admission is the first step to recovery. 

Tyler

suckaniggadickmakeaniggarich Says:

July 24th, 2007 at 6:26 pm
TYLER IS GAY….TRUST

^^^^^^^^^ You tryin’ 2 call somebody gay & the tag name that U came up with 4 yourself is: SUCKANIGGADICK. . . 

I know Cat Stevens is Muslim idiot.  It had nothing to do with the point.  He is famous for his soft sounding folk-type music which is exactly the opposite of gangster rap.  I could have used John Denver to make the same point.  You are such a retarded towel-head. 

TPAR, you are the biggest cry baby bleeding heart muslim apologist ever.  You are so clouded by your belief that everybody is racist, that you are arguing points that dont exist. 

“What percentage of muslims are terrorists” says TPAR…..

Hmmmmm, How about, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIM?????  Got an answer for that one Dipsh*t?? 

Around & Around,

Move out of America buddy.  You quote all of this rebellious Noam Chompsky crap that every Sociology department in EVERY University teaches us, yet you make no real argument.  Just a bunch of ramblings about freedom fighters and oppressed people and how we should all live like the Arabs do and go sit in the sand.  How are Muslims waging a popular war when half the time they are fighting themselves???  I know they dont hate out freedom, but when their core beliefs are that they have the only correct way to run a society (which really looks like sh*t if you have ever been to an Arab country), and they need to exterminate us, I tend to have a problem with that.  Maybe you would like to live under the rule of a singular dictator like in Syria, but I would much rather live here.  You may think you know it all, but your ignorance and lack of understanding for how good it is in America makes you look like a complete idiot.  You talk about overthrowing governments and all that crap, but if it happened here in the USA it would not be pretty and you would probably be hiding under a sociology desk wiping your little b*tch tears in a Noam Chompsky book. 

ChampionPitBuLL

I won a many a fight and I ain’t seen no Mike Vick ring side.  I think a snitch is in the mix making shit up 2 save his own ass. 

Fernando

Around & Around,

What does having military bases have to do with ruining the world?  Are you with the NAZI’s???  Should we have not put a base in Germany to keep peace after the war?  What about between N & S Korea?  How about all of the times that having these bases have saved millions of civillian lives becasue we intervened before chaos in a country could kill them?  Not saying that we havent done some bad things (Iraq, Panama, etc.)  but saying that having bases is ruining the world just doesnt make sense. 

And I really dont understand how TPAR & Around can really sypathize with terrorists?  What is wrong with you?  Why do you even live here? 

Get your head out of the Chompsky & Marx section, and get in the real world. 

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Fern-

Define Terrorists. 

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See Fernando, after you get spoon fed by Fox news or the military you can reply some more.  Where did I sympathize?  Understanding the reason why is not equal to sympathizing. 

Are you serious about the military bases?  If you can’t see the connection then your IQ just isn’t high enough for me to explain this to you.  There’s over 700 military bases one on every single continent in the world except Antartica. 

And I live here because like you I’m allowed to.  You want me to leave, you first, then I’ll go. 

And I didn’t quote Noam Chomsky.  You made up so much shit in your little comment the rest isn’t even worth responding to.  Now please read this, and then re-read it and address what I wrote instead of going off and showing your true colors. 

Fernando

Terrorist – a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities. 

I see the stupid game you are trying to play.  You are going to try to make the USA or any other civilized country that has an Army fit into the definition of terrorists.  I know that the Jews started suicide bombings, and that the USA has hit civillians in many of the conflicts we have been in.  But the average person who doesn’t try to over-analyze things knows exactly what a Terrorist is, and what their intent is.  Nice try. 

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“Terrorist – a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities.” 

What’s a radical?  What’s “employing terror”? ( Note to readers, he used the word he’s trying to define, in his definition…[terror}).  What's "policitcal weapon"?  What is "other terrorists"? ( Note to readers, he uses again, the word he is trying to define to help him define it [other terrorists]).  What are “terrorist activities”? ( Note to readers…here he goes again [terrorist activities]. 

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So Fernando can not define terrorist without using the word terrorist.  Smart guy. 

TPAR you using all that socialogy they teach you in them there colleges.  You think your smart with your socialogy and psycology and dem books why don’t you just get the fuck out of Amuraca…luv it or leave it fuuuucker!!! 

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How about all of the times that having these bases have saved millions of civillian lives becasue we intervened before chaos in a country could kill them
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Like New Orleans after Katrina?  So as Fernando says, we can save MILLIONS around the world, but can’t help the people in New Orleans?  Yeeeahhhh that makes sense. 

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How about all of the times that having these bases have saved millions of civillian lives becasue we intervened before chaos in a country could kill them
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Like New Orleans after Katrina?  So as Fernando says, we can save MILLIONS around the world, but can’t help the people in New Orleans?  Yeeeahhhh that makes sense. 

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Fern got smoked.  You can’t even define a word that you use constantly. 

fernando

“I live here because i am allowed to”.  A&A

But all you do is bitch and whine about it, so why would you want to live in such a place?  I enjoy it here and made no reference to wanting to leave, so your “you first” comment was pointless, just like you anti-american diatribes.  And you said everybody needs to read Noam Chomsky at the end of your worthless post, which your stupid ass ideas obviously come from.  Where did N.O or Katrina come from??  I never mentioned it. 

Actually that definition came from what is accepted by all major nations and is used in many dictionaries.  Apparently you two idiots are smarter than dictionaries…WHO KNEW??  We have geniuses in our presence!  So the both of you two cock-sucking idiots just made yourselves look like even bigger ass-holes. 

And TPAR,

Your game of “whats a terrorist” whats a “political weapon” only makes you look like a fucking retarded 5 year old playing the “why” game with some other kid.  You know what a terrorist is dumbass, you see your mom and dad every day. 

fernando

Fern cant even define terrorist, he he heh we got em A&A.

You two towel headed faggots just made yourselves look so dumb.  You clowned on a definition straight from a book and thought it was me!!  HA HA. 

Why dont you try to define it?  Or better yet, look it up and realize what fucking morons you are, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ACCEPTED DEFINITION IN THE DICTIONARY!! 

You got smoked retard.  And I hope some crazy camel jockey bombs your house so you can cry like a bitch saying “terrorism doesnt exist”

Around & Around

How is Katrina the Military’s fault?  That falls on the Federal Government, The President, Ray Nagan, FEMA, and a lot of other people.  Not military bases you jackass. 

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Fern,

You still haven’t defined “terrorist”.  On a practical level are all/most Muslims terrorists?  Are all/most terrorists Muslims?  If so, why? 

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Fern, I’ll use your definition:
“a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities.” 

GW Bush is a radical, and employs terror as a political weapon and organizes with other terrorists in small cells and often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities, therefore GW Bush is a terrorist. 

Using your own definition, you must agree. 

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“You know what a terrorist is dumbass, you see your mom and dad every day.” 

How do my parents fit the definition you provided of what a terrorist is? 

Cuban Link

Around and Around, the VA kid went to that school, he knew kids he was shooting up, he just wasnt freinds with them?And like I said, there were SERIOUS problems with him, have you heard ALL the details?His teachers, especially ones teaching classes where you express yourself (art, creative writing, etc), tried a number of times to have him be sent to therapy, but the peeps running the school wouldnt allow that. 

He wasnt a terrorist, just a kid with mental problems

Fernando

TPAR says……

Fern, I’ll use your definition:
“a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities.” 

GW Bush is a radical, and employs terror as a political weapon and organizes with other terrorists in small cells and often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities, therefore GW Bush is a terrorist. 

Using your own definition, you must agree. 

1.  This was not my definition, it is the accepted definition in the Dictionary and the World. 

2.  Bush is a fucking idiot and probably fits as a terrorist.  But the USA is a nation of mostly good that is far better in its roots than most in the world. 

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fernando Says:

July 25th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
“I live here because i am allowed to”.  A&A

But all you do is bitch and whine about it, so why would you want to live in such a place?  I enjoy it here and made no reference to wanting to leave, so your “you first” comment was pointless, just like you anti-american diatribes. 
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Actually Fernando doesn’t sound like an ‘American’ name, you got a green card boy?  The minute men are coming for you. 
-And I’m also allowed to ‘bitch and wine’ as you put it, it’s freedom of speech, it applies to me as well as you.  I prefer to not be a sheep following the flock….. now little Fernando go follow the flock you mindless drone. 
-And for the record: Sociology is the study and classification of Human Societies.  Let that sink in smart guy.  Basically a sociology study would be the study of Fernando’s trailor park, and how this micro-society effected his upbringing/ and in-turn caused him to marry his sister…. 

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Cuban Link how big is VA Tech?  A little more than 25,000 students attend VA Tech, you mean to tell me he knew all them?  He was just going around indiscriminatly, he wanted to smoke anyone that was breathing. 
So if his name wasn’t Vang but Mohammed that would make him a terrorist?  What’s the difference?  He terrorized a population, killed, maimed, and terrorized bottom line. 

The Spaniard

George Bush IS a terrorist by strict (and loose in my opinion) definition.  A well financed and well armed terrorist. 

Town Bizz

Listen I love rap music.  But anyone who thinks rap music isn’t destroying our community is a naïve dummy.  Let’s face it rap lyrics have become parables.  Rap culture is too powerful for athletes who moonlight as rap stars.  The young black athlete fails to understand that their fan base consists of middle aged white men not the people who go clubbing on the weekends or the cat on the corner

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“Listen I love rap music.  But anyone who thinks rap music isn’t destroying our community is a naïve dummy.” 

So you love that which destroys your community? 

Fernando

“Im allowed to bitch and whine” – A&A

Once again, you completely missed the point.  I asked why you would want to stay in such a place like the USA that you obviously hate so much.  I didnt say you werent allowed to bitch, or why you are allowed to stay here.  I asked WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A PLACE THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT BAD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT! 

If anybody is following a flock, it is your worthless recycled one liners about America destroying the world.  You basically sound like an un-educated Michael Moore film that cant understand basic arguments. 

I know what sociology is.  And comments made on Societies by Marx and Chomsky are taught in those classes.  I went to college moron. 

Yes the VA Tech kid TERRORIZED a campus, but he was not part of a group or faction that was trying to get something out of it, WHICH IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.  If only you were smart enough to see it.  There is a difference between lunatics and terrorists. 

And here’s a column on the supposed connection between the Michael Vick incident and hip-hop by Jason Whitlock, that one guy from the Don Imus incident, who’s gradually emerging as a younger though equally as chubby version of Stanley Crouch, just in case Stanley Crouch dies or something.