hi therejust been collecting more rusty junk over the last 3 weeks, that ive been saving up forthis is the first item to be posted,and this pump is a weird looking one

has 2 pulleys "fast and loose"if thats what you call them, with the crankshaft on top up in the air open crank stylemade by FRANK PEARN ENINEERING of MANCHESTERall i have found stamped on it so far is N 2 1/2 17G ???????????????????????????????????????????? pics to followas ive got it into pieces after 2 weeks soaking and heating here and thereand it is on its way back as one tomorrow will be in a photo worthy state again kev

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Looking forward to trying to see you pics Kev sounds like a nice pump you've got yourself. 

Stu. 

_________________Engines are just like Pringles .... one is never enough.  I used to love tractors all I would ever think/talk about.  Then one day out of the blue I went on to statinary engines, So you could say I'm an extractor fan. 

Kev is still a youngster though Abes (got stuff in my freezer older than him) so a lump of old iron will not trouble him much!  A nice pump though, the only Pearns pumps that I have seen are the small 'boxy' ones similar in size to the Lister domestic's. 

Foden wrote:Kev is still a youngster though Abes (got stuff in my freezer older than him) so a lump of old iron will not trouble him much!  A nice pump though, the only Pearns pumps that I have seen are the small 'boxy' ones similar in size to the Lister domestic's. 

Pete. 

hello stranger petewhen will be the next crank up in your area "snow/frost and fog permiting kev

Winking Man has just gone Kev, arranged at to short notice to post I'm afraid though I didn't attend it.  This sunday is the Rushden Spencer rally at Heaton House between Leek and Macclesfield, also Ashover Ploughing Match on wednesday 24th October near Matlock. 

_________________Engines are just like Pringles .... one is never enough.  I used to love tractors all I would ever think/talk about.  Then one day out of the blue I went on to statinary engines, So you could say I'm an extractor fan. 

JONESEY wrote:Nice looking pump Kev, bit slow for you I thought you would have had that rubbed down and primed buy nowKeep up the good workJonesey

not yet mr jonesstill thought it wasnt working just as it should so stripped the lower cast caps, and brass so i thought drain tap as it turned out to be a air suction valve nothing comes out just sucks air in ,to start the phospher bronze valve off,opening and closing to start lifting the water "weird but true "and the 4" diameter bronze poppet valves were not sitting on the seats with chunks of rust and stones in them.now it pumps water fast as duck and if i turn the tap off ,it holds pressure for over 30 mins in the top end 2x poppets just the piston needs gland seals removing and cleaning and the refitting and oiling up before the next test

as for the paint job will give it all a good soaking and rub down ,and see what lies beneath the black cruddy greese and sump oil that has been on it since the summer of 1973 when it was last used and put back in the shed well atleast that far back from his memory as he just got a new PETTER PAZ1 and used it on the pump to break it in.  when were paz1 made from and too ,for a better dating reference ,kev

stu mateyou are getting to now the way i work well now mateand it maybe staying as is on the paint side will see after she has a bath and a good scrubb downthinking to leave as is as the paint is old but not as old as the pump was last painted from his memory 1950-60s when his dad restored it good old sump oil and grease baths when not in use , and as always does a good preserving jobjust bloody nightmare to get off my hands and tools ive used a carryer bag of rags so far on it and its far from clean yetthe bearings and piston well the parts the oily greese cant get to were well seized but not rooten "bonus for meglad to help your old bones, and give them a lay down for you mate kevkev

if anyone has a "frank pearn & co limited engineering " pump big or small and nows the rough or exact year and serial number please post them on here as up to now i have one other pump serial number in the 9000s and its a yr 1904 mine is in the 5000skev

Good to hear that the oil/grease covering has saved such a great looking pump, has to be worth a few bags of rags in my book, you should have took it down the car wash and pressure washed it, at night so no one could see all the gunk on it.  Kev just a thought and not a place I've been to, but would the Manchester industrial museum be able to help you date it in any way, as in the year the company started, closed, what was built there etc.  They may have some old records or books on the firm. 

Stu. 

_________________Engines are just like Pringles .... one is never enough.  I used to love tractors all I would ever think/talk about.  Then one day out of the blue I went on to statinary engines, So you could say I'm an extractor fan. 

stationary stu wrote:Good to hear that the oil/grease covering has saved such a great looking pump, has to be worth a few bags of rags in my book, you should have took it down the car wash and pressure washed it, at night so no one could see all the gunk on it.  Kev just a thought and not a place I've been to, but would the Manchester industrial museum be able to help you date it in any way, as in the year the company started, closed, what was built there etc.  They may have some old records or books on the firm. 

Kev it's only gonna cost you time but I think it might be worth a try. 

Good luck,

Stu. 

_________________Engines are just like Pringles .... one is never enough.  I used to love tractors all I would ever think/talk about.  Then one day out of the blue I went on to statinary engines, So you could say I'm an extractor fan. 

well the pump has had a second complete stripe down and all the poppet valves polished up and seats to match and another pound or two of rust and sludge removed from the insides, the piston has had a light deburing and all over 200 sand paper degaze, and a single new ring of 1/2"x1/2" gland has been fitted as i found a peice in my steam engine parts boxes , it now holds pressure overnight at all pressurized side,but with a small leakout at the piston on the low pressure side, but the 2nd and 3rd valves seal it up tight and will blast water out with out turning it over,3 days later when i open the tap , so well happy with the monster, thinking i need to get a presssure gauge for it and see what the output is ,as it blast out water at about 20 rpm , so woried if it was designed for steam powering and one of there most popular pumps were for boiler supply feed pumps ????? and with the amount of one way stop valves ,and lowspeed pressure ???????? 

im now worried that the amanco maybe to fast rpm wise for the output as it will hydrulic and stop turning at hand speed if the tap is half one so for the maths me help please amanco 450 rpm with a 6" pulley going to the pump with a 21" pulley with my maths i get it to arround 125-130 rpm at the pump ?? 

2.5" bore x 5.5" stroke what is the water capacity per stroke or min hour ??????  i think the pump displaces 500ml per 1x revolution so i get 60 litres per min 500+ gallons per houranyone that can do maths better than my divy maths head please do dig in thanks kev

Maybe Neville can help he put the link up as he used it to work out his pulley sizes. 

Stu. 

_________________Engines are just like Pringles .... one is never enough.  I used to love tractors all I would ever think/talk about.  Then one day out of the blue I went on to statinary engines, So you could say I'm an extractor fan. 

nice linkworked out as 128.25 rpm at the pump shaftso i was closewhat will the fluid capacity work out as ANYONE have link for thisusa engine cubic inch calc may work for this me thinkiing just go and have a web look and get backkev