Tim is seemingly a terrific person, whether you agree with his religion or not.  He's a very hard worker who can inspire others and lead them.  It's hard to dislike him when taken on his own merits.  But the fan and media circus that surrounds him is a major distraction and leads to negative backlash. 

Unfortunately, the Tebowmaniacs can't see the forest for the trees where Tim is concerned.  All they can see is that he had some comeback victories and won a playoff game.  They don't want to acknowledge that his release is slow, he is an inaccurate thrower and that Denver's defense was getting run ragged keeping them in those games in order to enable those last-minute heroics.  They also don't want to admit that their fanaticism regarding Tebow causes problems for him. 

He'd probably have been better off getting drafted in the middle or even late rounds.  He could have had time to work on his throwing mechanics, etc.,  without the unrealistic expectations that were heaped on him by the combo of his college success and his high draft position. 

sc85sis wrote:Tim is seemingly a terrific person, whether you agree with his religion or not.  He's a very hard worker who can inspire others and lead them.  It's hard to dislike him when taken on his own merits.  But the fan and media circus that surrounds him is a major distraction and leads to negative backlash. 

Unfortunately, the Tebowmaniacs can't see the forest for the trees where Tim is concerned.  All they can see is that he had some comeback victories and won a playoff game.  They don't want to acknowledge that his release is slow, he is an inaccurate thrower and that Denver's defense was getting run ragged keeping them in those games in order to enable those last-minute heroics.  They also don't want to admit that their fanaticism regarding Tebow causes problems for him. 

He'd probably have been better off getting drafted in the middle or even late rounds.  He could have had time to work on his throwing mechanics, etc.,  without the unrealistic expectations that were heaped on him by the combo of his college success and his high draft position. 

And by a team in a less prominent media market. 

Talent can get you to the playoffs. It takes character to win when you get there. SUPER BOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS

Spokane, I'm impressed that you can call Chris Kluwe a side show circus in one thread whilst promoting Tim Tebow in another.  That's really quite special. 

From what I've read, the people making the big issue out of Tebow's religion are his supporters.  Russel Wilson tweets bible passages on a daily basis, I don't see the fanbase up in arms about that.  What I do see are people saying, repeatedly, that Tebow isn't good enough to play quarterback in the NFL. 

volsunghawk wrote:And you're going to talk about completion percentage for the Jets when he threw all of 8 passes? 

Actually, Volsung, yeah he is.  You can point out the 8 pass attempts all day long as being too small of a sample size and his response will be

"he completed 75% of his passes and did everything he was asked...derp derp derp"

And that's what he hangs his hat on.  The fact that he only had 8 pass attempts is irrelevant to Spokane.  He'll point point out his comebacks in Denver without acknowledging that it was Tebow that dug those holes in the first place. 

Unfortunately for Tebow, if it weren't for the media/fan circus, he could have a 15-year career as a third-string QB and part-time positional specialist.  I know he's a competitor and wants to start, but that sounds like a dream life to me.  But it's just not even an option for him because nobody wants to deal with the distraction. 

A London Hawk wrote:Spokane, I'm impressed that you can call Chris Kluwe a side show circus in one thread while promoting Tim Tebow in another. 

LMAO!  Look how many people called Tebow a side show circus but then promoted some bum in a different thread...Did you call them out? 

What is going on here?  Why are there freaks who just can't deal with Tebow...get over him and yourself! 

Kluwe (Its funny how its the people who can't make a pay check in sports, who are the ones who talk) Wrote a letter to an ELECTED cussing him out/name calling for having the same view as one of his family members...Did Kluwe write any of his family members cussing them out over the issue?  No.  The SIDE SHOW FREAK lashes out at the guy who can raise his taxes .  Yes Kluwe has no clue. 

SacHawk2.0 wrote:Actually, Volsung, yeah he is.  You can point out the 8 pass attempts all day long as being too small of a sample size and his response will be "he completed 75% of his passes and did everything he was asked...derp derp derp"lol.  very close!  I would also add the 8 passes was the body of work that they allowed him.  They pulled a guy hitting on 75% of his passes when they were wondering who should be the QB, I expected layoffs in the FO and staff. 

The fact that he only had 8 pass attempts is irrelevant to Spokane.  He'll point point out his comebacks in Denver without acknowledging that it was Tebow that dug those holes in the first place. 

The guy hit on 50% of his passes in Denver...Yes thats a problem and yes that will dig holes.  I am not saying he is the Zorn of this era.  However he has shown flashes, and still has something in the tank. 

If he could read defenses and accurately deliver the ball to a spot on time he wouldn't be sitting at home waiting on a call from his agent.  Heck if he hadn't been selected in the first round Josh McDaniels might still be the head coach of the Broncos (ok maybe that's a stretch, but hey I want to play this game too). 

If he could read defenses and accurately deliver the ball to a spot on time he wouldn't be sitting at home waiting on a call from his agent.  Heck if he hadn't been selected in the first round Josh McDaniels might still be the head coach of the Broncos (ok maybe that's a stretch, but hey I want to play this game too). 

Over it.  Sick.and.tired.of.tebow. 

There, put that in the news. 

This.  Although I'd like to add that I'm tired of Spokane swinging off his nuts as well. 

A London Hawk wrote:Spokane, I'm impressed that you can call Chris Kluwe a side show circus in one thread while promoting Tim Tebow in another. 

LMAO!  Look how many people called Tebow a side show circus but then promoted some bum in a different thread...Did you call them out? 

What is going on here?  Why are there freaks who just can't deal with Tebow...get over him and yourself! 

Kluwe (Its funny how its the people who can't make a pay check in sports, who are the ones who talk) Wrote a letter to an ELECTED cussing him out/name calling for having the same view as one of his family members...Did Kluwe write any of his family members cussing them out over the issue?  No.  The SIDE SHOW FREAK lashes out at the guy who can raise his taxes .  Yes Kluwe has no clue. 

So, expressing your opinion makes you a side show freak?  Kluwe can write to whoever he wants, it's his right.  And as far as his family goes, there's every chance he talked to them in person rather than write them a letter. 

As far as Tebow goes, I've never understood the fascination.  He's not a very good QB, and while the circus that goes along with him isn't his fault, it's annoying as all get out.  There's a reason Denver shipped him out as soon as they could.  There's a reason Tebow is sitting at home with no job right now.  He's not worth the roster spot. 

Edit: That's not really an article, it's more of a piece of trivia with Tebow's name attached to it. 

Throwdown wrote:They were all short passes on trick plays too, do they REALLY count? 

Yeah the non-stop dump off plays for Tebow is its own issue.  I thought it was for one of two reasons..1) He really does suck at throwing the long ball 2) Some crazy plan to keep his numbers low (that is a lot of dump offs)

However it was the 3rd option that I did not think of...3) Rex said "We did not use his skills correctly"

So due to Rex admiting the dump off plays were flawed, however Tebow still hit his guys - I would have to say Yes the dump offs count, Like Sachawk2.0 said "Tebow did everything he was asked, and did it well." 

SacHawk2.0 wrote: He'll point point out his comebacks in Denver without acknowledging that it was Tebow that dug those holes in the first place. 

Sorry I thought you were talking about "Pro Bowl" QB Andrew Luck for a minute there

Bingo!  Every concern, cuss word, put down or freak out about Tebow could be said about any other QB. 

But but but Tebow sucks... GROW UP!  Stop being a punk hater just to be a punk hater...Did he kick your dog????  Then GROW UP! 

Thing is, though, that's not true. 

You never heard people wondering why Peyton Manning's throwing mechanics were abysmal and never seeming to get better.  You don't hear people talking about Tom Brady's accuracy being terrible or about Philip Rivers being a scattershot type of QB. 

When Tebow got lots of playing time in 2011, the Broncos won games by the Denver defense keeping the game close the entire time, and then Tebow was able to run around and improvise against a tired and worn out opposing defense.  If you doubt that, just look at how Tebow was performing in the first three quarters of the games he played that season.  Dude couldn't complete even 40% of his passes. 

People may want to talk about that Pittsburgh OT game when Dick LeBeau had what was likely his worst DC game ever, but they conveniently forget the Broncos game the week before.  Denver needed to beat KC to guarantee that it won the AFC West with a 9-7 record, as San Diego and Oakland were both pushing for that division title as well.  It was essentially a playoff game, and the Broncos were playing against a 6-9 Chiefs team led by Kyle Orton.  So how did Tebow step up and deliver in this crucial game to clinch the AFC West? 

6/22, 60 yards, 1 INT, 1 lost fumble, 20.6 passer rating

Clutch!  The only reason the Broncos even had a chance to beat the Steelers in a fluke game was because the Raiders choked against the Chargers.  All three of those teams finished 8-8, and the Broncos won on tiebreakers. 

And then, yeah, the Steelers game.  The only game that people point to as evidence that Tebow can do anything in this league as a QB. 

Remember what followed that?  9/26 for 136 yards, 1 lost fumble, passer rating under 60.  Denver met an offense it couldn't stop in the Patriots, and Tebow was completely incapable of leading that team to anything resembling a close game (and that was against a team that ranked nearly DEAD LAST in pass defense that season). 

volsunghawk wrote: You never heard people wondering why Peyton Manning's throwing mechanics were abysmal and never seeming to get better.  You don't hear people talking about Tom Brady's accuracy being terrible or about Philip Rivers being a scattershot type of QB. 

This is what happens when you have to find an answer in a short amount of time, you miss stuff. 

How many millions of people are fans of a current or former division rival of those 3 great QBs?  I really like Manning, but you would have to be naive to think that the millions of opposing fans would say "Don't say anything bad about Payton, its Payton" Come on.  They have worked him over in every sick way possible. 

If you still think thoses 3 QBs are flawless in any area,(to the point folks will stay tight liped about it) go to a rivals board and ask...Anybody got a problem with Mannnings mechanics?  TNT baby that place will blow up! 

volsunghawk wrote: You never heard people wondering why Peyton Manning's throwing mechanics were abysmal and never seeming to get better.  You don't hear people talking about Tom Brady's accuracy being terrible or about Philip Rivers being a scattershot type of QB. 

This is what happens when you have to find an answer in a short amount of time, you miss stuff. 

How many millions of people are fans of a current or former division rival of those 3 great QBs?  I really like Manning, but you would have to be naive to think that the millions of opposing fans would say "Don't say anything bad about Payton, its Payton" Come on.  They have worked him over in every sick way possible. 

If you still think thoses 3 QBs are flawless in any area,(to the point folks will stay tight liped about it) go to a rivals board and ask...Anybody got a problem with Mannnings mechanics?  TNT baby that place will blow up! 

Man, such a polarizing figure Tim Tebow is....... Personally, I wish people would lay off of the dude, both his detractors and fans.  Personally, I haven't written the dude off as a QB yet.  It makes me laugh all the armchair QB coaches and pundits who can declare that "Tim Tebow will never be an NFL QB" like they are declaring their faith in God.  Yes, some great college QB's fail in the league, and some quite average college QB's far exceed the mediocre expectations placed upon them as rookies.  It is what it is.  For all we know, Vinny Testaverde "fixed" the now infamous "throwing motion".  The calls for the guy to switch to Tight End are even more laughable, considering nobody has seen the dude catch a ball.  What I will say with 100% certainty, is that the media hype and fan hype is getting old, and it's not the "throwing motion" that's killing his chances, it's the unwanted hype that follows him like a storm cloud.  Pretty unfortunate if you ask me. 

There could be a spot for him somewhere, but it just feels like the team would have to fit itself to Tebow much more than Tebow to the team.  Because of his unique skillset and his leaderlike disposition and the constant hype train and all that.  It's a tough situation for him.