Remote Viewers Predict Catastrophic Meteor Impact Before 2013

Some people just don't like any ties to things that don't have that scientific ring to it.  I wouldn't take it to heart.  I for one certainly
acknowledge the things your viewing because it does seem to coincide with my own visions and so on..

I know both sides of the coin because I'm very spiritual.  I can have dreams and visions without any controls in place and God willing I can
usually discern what is spiritual or what may just be a dream.  Of course with open visions when your wide awake there is no question.  But that said I
can sit down and remote view with strict protocol by the book and I know the difference. 

So just keep the information coming I think we are all getting much of the same information as alarming as some of it is...we have a heads up that
others ignore. 

I was shown something else, though I don’t know if its relevant to this thread. 

A school shooting, there were men dressed in full black combat gear, they were going from room to room shooting everyone.  Im not sure if it was a
school or a university.  There were different levels as I saw them on the concrete steps and I saw the handrail. 

I don't now exactly what kind of RV it is that I do, as I have never "trained" to do it.  I used to (and still on occasion) do picture readings for
people for various purposes, and during the readings I end up doing what everyone else calls remote viewing.  Not everyone uses training and
protocols, sometimes it just happens naturally. 

RV is protocol driven.  What you are experiencing is not RV. 

Not that it makes your testimony any less relevant, it only makes it less objective and less scientific.  But not necessarily less truthful. 

I mean no harm in that statement.  From psychics came the first vestiges of RViewing, then the tight controls and protocols of RVing as we know it
today. 

Well I think the term perfectly describes it, but maybe the modern concept of it, as a tool and not an insight, may not match what i "do".  Let me
explain it to you, how I do it, so you can understand that I'm not misuderstanding basic functions of it, just that it is different than all of the
protocol you mention. 

When I would do readings, I always used a photograph.  Even doing readings was a sort of mistake, had never planned to do it, but that's another
story.  Anyway, I know some people use photos like psychometry, laying hands on for info, but I don't actually need to touch them, I just need to see
them.  I would do the average psychic and mediumship readings, but on occasion, I would get property readings.  I only ever got property readings
because someone thought they were living in a haunted house or had a picture of the house they lived in growing up or whatever and wanted to know if I
could "see" anything about it.  This is where "RV" comes into play for me.  Like I said, never knew it had a name, thought it was part of the
psychic spectrum and never questioned it was separate until some years later.  Although I am not in a lab or some other place, there are controls in
place and ways to check and verify and here's how and what I would do:

I only want an outside shot of the house (or land, it doesn't have to be a building).  I never wanted to see the inside in any way, because it would
spoil any sort of image I saw, as I would worry about bias.  So, I would look at the picture at first and I would look "through" it, sort of like a
3D art poster.  Now, this is kind of hard to explain, but it's like being in a trance state but I am totally aware of my surroundings and my eyes are
open, but it's like suddenly i can see things in the picture move.  I can see into the picture and yet it seems like I have a second set of visuals,
in mind's eye.  In a house, I can "move" through hallways, rooms, whatever, see decor, see past events and people, people in the present, and what
I perceive as future events.  Usually things go in a loop, like a projector, if they are important and have an affect on anything.  I ask to be shown
anything that is important to the reading and I will see it, if anything needs to be seen.  If there is a haunting or something, I will see it as a
loop playing again and again, which is just what a haunting is, usually, like a tape player that got stuck on one part of one song.  I can smell and
hear and feel things in that place, even though I am sitting in my chair.  It is kind of like having an out of body experience in a way. 

When there is nothing more for me to see, I stop, "pop out" of it, like I just woke up from a dream.  Because I never see inside the house, know who
owned the house, names of people, locations, my process, while simple, is completely unbiased and therefore accurate.  I have never had anyone tell me
otherwise.  The whole thing is very interactive .  While all this is going on, I have a pen and paper and am writing the whole time, all words,
images, messages, while looking at the picture, I'm always amazed it is written so well

I have been able to do it a few times by just thinking of a place or person, but I always feel like I am being invasive and it feels wrong or
unethical, so I don't anymore.  Yet, I can do it that way as well, with "targets". 

No they won't if you show a hint of being the real deal the do NOT let you participate on some false grounds and say you don't qualify or some BS
that whole deal is a complete fraud. 

Again with the excuses as to why RV is a failure. 

The problem with anyone wanting the million is that they have to demonstrate that their claim works. 

Oh no is the whine.  I can't just make up stories?  I can't just say it's so? 

In the case of RV the use of subjective matches isn't allowed.  You have to be able to produce a decidable answer.  You can't do a song and dance
based on one lucky guess in a hundred tries.  You actually have to produce results.  I can't do that is the call of the charlatan.  It's not fair says
the hoaxer.  Then the whine quickly becomes they won't dole out the million.  It's just a sham. 

It's real.  The million dollar challenge is real.  It's the RV that the fake. 

the picture with the volcano.  i keep thinking its Yellowstone, but i don't know about volcano's, and Yellowstone is familiar to me from
reading about it, so it could just be the reason i think its Yellowstone. 

You realize you just said all the same stuff that you said in the first post right?  Did you read through the post I directed you to?  And you
say that the examples by Joe were laughable...?  LOL That is an outright bold face LIE sir!  If you actually use the search function we all know as
Google you will in fact find EXCELLENT examples!  I just can't figure out what your trying to pull here?  For some reason you are purposefully trying
to deceive this board?  Why?  /quote]
I've looked over McGonneagles junk claims.  Laughable, well except to the gullible.  Who actually that a sucker is born every minute? 

There is more than one example video of accurate sessions.  I'm not sure what your angle is other than to keep people in ignorance.  /quote]
Please select your favorite three.  Your goal is continue your self delusion that this works. 

The military spent a pittance on it and allowed this carnival to run its course and then dumped it because it did not work.  Were it viable it would
not have been dumped and it would not have been declassified.  It simply doesn't work. 

No matter how wishful someone is about this the end result is that only the gullible believe in it. 

Originally posted by Neysa
The way I understood it, he says that they are viewing multiple realities with multiple time lines.  Not our reality, specifically.  He said they can't
tell what time line or reality they are viewing.  Hmmmm

They just claim that so when their "prediction" does not come true they just claim "they saw a alternate reality" where it did happen

the picture with the volcano.  i keep thinking its Yellowstone, but i don't know about volcano's, and Yellowstone is familiar to me from
reading about it, so it could just be the reason i think its Yellowstone. 

I call BS, since i am still waiting for a single prophesied event to take place. 
At the present, the percentage of failure is a nice round 100. 
See, unless the description of the events to come isn´t as vague as possible,
the "seers" a firing blindfolded.  And no, Nostradamus didn´t predict a thing worth of spit,
since any of his quatrains can all so used to describe the events taking place
within the next 48 hours inside my cats litter box.  So taking the word of people who are spending their time lying on their back or sitting in a room
with their eyes closed, or just simply staring at the wall or whatever, is ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC. 

I have been told by some RVers that RV is not ESP or psychic in nature.  So you think it is psi in nature? 

what is psi?  really i dont mean sound silly i really want to try and learn. 
and as the man said before, im not a RVer, though i probably could if i was shown how. 

i remember about 10 or 12 years back they were talking on the tv about looking for Saddam Hussein.  i drew a picture of where he was and showed it to
my husband, he said whats this?  i said that's where Saddam is. 
he was like are you sure, i said yes no doubt. 

and i think they actually ended up finding him in the underground bunker i drew. 

so yeah maybe if i was taught how to remote view i probably could.  or is that not what RV is and am im getting it all confused. 

Originally posted by firegoggles
As you said that it doesn't make the information less valid though....

What makes Remote viewing different from other psychic methods? 

One thing, protocol.  Remote viewing is based on a tried and tested formula of scientific protocols that have several aims:

1.  to keep the viewer focused
2.  to keep the data clean
3.  to keep the viewer and the data along a track that tries to prove 'psi' can be the only source for the information. 

In classical terminology remote Viewers are psychics.  The remote viewing protocols do not effect the psychic quality in a positive or negative way,
what it does is filter and clean all the noise created by the remote viewer during the remote viewing collection process.  The final result, is clean
accurate results which can be verified against real feedback. 

Originally posted by firegoggles
Just like with some of my open visions I have had years apart.  I know that wasn't RV protocol or anything even close.  But if you continue RV enough
you can start to have spontaneous RV episodes.  I don't know if you have experienced anything of the sort? 

Certainly but because they were not protocol driven, blind and meet the other criteria of RV, they are psychic events not RV.  iME, I find these much
less accurate, certainly much more influenced by prior data and much more difficult to be properly analyzed by someone other than myself

Originally posted by firegoggles It gets into semantics because in my opinion the RV protocol is a way to tap into the information
field, or consciousness and to extract data.  The protocol strictly (if followed) strictly keeps your imagination out of the way, but my point is it
all goes back to accessing this information with your spirit being or "inner man" from the information field? 

The protocol defines RV as a scientific effort due to the blind conditions and the feedback elements. 

Originally posted by Whateva69
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And for any one else who is so ignorant, just because someone is not educated about such things doesnt mean they are not capable of such Phenomena. 

I have no idea what you are or are not capable of and the main reason for that is that you are not a Remote Viewer using the protocols of the art. 

You may be the best guesser in the world, the Second coming of Jane Roberts, Ingo Swann or Uri Geller.  Or you could be nothing at all but a poster on
ATS. 

I know excellent psychics, I know excellent psychics who also are RVers, I know RVers who refuse to practice traditional psychic or paranormal
phenomena.  None of them take offense at being called exactly what they are.  I don't know why you do but that is your cross to bear. 

When I would do readings, I always used a photograph.  Even doing readings was a sort of mistake, had never planned to do it, but that's another
story.  Anyway, I know some people use photos like psychometry, laying hands on for info, but I don't actually need to touch them, I just need to see
them.  I would do the average psychic and mediumship readings, but on occasion, I would get property readings.  I only ever got property readings
because someone thought they were living in a haunted house or had a picture of the house they lived in growing up or whatever and wanted to know if I
could "see" anything about it.  This is where "RV" comes into play for me.  Like I said, never knew it had a name, thought it was part of the
psychic spectrum and never questioned it was separate until some years later.  Although I am not in a lab or some other place, there are controls in
place and ways to check and verify and here's how and what I would do:

I only want an outside shot of the house (or land, it doesn't have to be a building).  I never wanted to see the inside in any way, because it would
spoil any sort of image I saw, as I would worry about bias.  So, I would look at the picture at first and I would look "through" it, sort of like a
3D art poster.  Now, this is kind of hard to explain, but it's like being in a trance state but I am totally aware of my surroundings and my eyes are
open, but it's like suddenly i can see things in the picture move.  I can see into the picture and yet it seems like I have a second set of visuals,
in mind's eye.  In a house, I can "move" through hallways, rooms, whatever, see decor, see past events and people, people in the present, and what
I perceive as future events.  Usually things go in a loop, like a projector, if they are important and have an affect on anything.  I ask to be shown
anything that is important to the reading and I will see it, if anything needs to be seen.  If there is a haunting or something, I will see it as a
loop playing again and again, which is just what a haunting is, usually, like a tape player that got stuck on one part of one song.  I can smell and
hear and feel things in that place, even though I am sitting in my chair.  It is kind of like having an out of body experience in a way. 

When there is nothing more for me to see, I stop, "pop out" of it, like I just woke up from a dream.  Because I never see inside the house, know who
owned the house, names of people, locations, my process, while simple, is completely unbiased and therefore accurate.  I have never had anyone tell me
otherwise.  The whole thing is very interactive .  While all this is going on, I have a pen and paper and am writing the whole time, all words,
images, messages, while looking at the picture, I'm always amazed it is written so well

I have been able to do it a few times by just thinking of a place or person, but I always feel like I am being invasive and it feels wrong or
unethical, so I don't anymore.  Yet, I can do it that way as well, with "targets". 

Originally posted by Neysa
The way I understood it, he says that they are viewing multiple realities with multiple time lines.  Not our reality, specifically.  He said they can't
tell what time line or reality they are viewing.  Hmmmm

They just claim that so when their "prediction" does not come true they just claim "they saw a alternate reality" where it did happen

So they cover themselves when they fail (which they always do!) 

This would be incorrect on several counts and one observation

1) If the timeline is not "our reality", then it would be considered failing the mission objective of RV "our reality". 
2) RVers do not use such deceptions to cover their failures; if they do, they are not RVers by definition. 
3) RV is not 100% accurate, never is, may never be. 
4) If an alternate , parallel timeline or universe is viewed, then the feedback will have to be vetted for the RV session to be considered
"successful". 

As you can see, what you are performing is not RV.  You may call it anything that you want.  I would call it PIC or paranormal information collection. 

Well, I have always thought it was one-in-the-same, since I am actually viewing things from an actual distance, to an almost perfect degree of
accuracy, in places I have never been and do not know anything about beforehand.  However, I did find this, which would show that not only you are
right in your description, but I am as well, regarding my own experiences:

"Clairvoyance is related to remote viewing, although the term "remote viewing" itself is not as widely applicable to clairvoyance because it refers
to a specific controlled process." 

It is again compared here:

Remote viewing is a mental faculty that allows a perceiver (a "viewer") to describe or give details about a target that is inaccessible to normal
senses due to distance, time, or shielding.  For example, a viewer might be asked to describe a location on the other side of the world, which he or
she has never visited; or a viewer might describe an event that happened long ago; or describe an object sealed in a container or locked in a room; or
perhaps even describe a person or an activity; all without being told anything about the target -- not even its name or designation. 

From this explanation, it is obvious that remote viewing is related to so-called psi (also known as "psychic" or "parapsychological") phenomena
such as clairvoyance or telepathy.  Whatever it is that seems to make it possible for human beings to do remote viewing is probably the same underlying
ability that makes such things as clairvoyance work.  But remote viewing (or "RV") differs from other, more traditional parapsychological
activities in a number of ways"

As you can see, what I am doing is remote viewing, but it is not remote viewing as defined by semantics.  I just wanted to point out that there are
two forms, that are intrinsically related, but not interchangeable.  Again, we're both right. 

"Remote viewing is the ability to produce information that is correct about a place, event, person, object or concept which is located somewhere
else in time and space, and which is completely blind to the remote viewer and others taking part in the process of collecting the
information. 

Two other requirements are:

All persons present during a remote viewing should essentially be blind to the target. 

There should be some form or means of validating the material after the remote viewing has been accomplished." 

Note that the term "related" is used several times when comparing paranormal information collection to RV.  Clairvoyance and psi to RV. 

I am related to my cousin but I am not my cousin. 

There is absolutely no doubt, as I have repeatedly said, that there is a relation to "psychic" ability, "psychic" viewing and functionality, they
are related to RV but they are not RV. 

One additional comment.  High grade RVers typically follow a pre-session and in session routines.  I have 15-20 minutes of either classical music or
chamber musicin a cool down pre-session.  In session, I have an orderly arranged environment, free of clutter, sounds, visuals, etc.  a plain desk, two
piles of white paper, one pencil which is taken from and returned to a cushioned surface. 

Others have very similar "cool down" and in session routines.  This comes from the classical CRV methodologies framed by the military in over 20
years of repetition.  If these situations cannot be duplicated, I am not having a RV session and typically refuse to perform any PIC. 

If I see a picture of the exterior of a building and cannot see inside, how can I see inside of it and around the property that I cannot physically
see from the picture?  How can I spot certain objects in that place that were not shown or known to me afterwards?  How can I see a picture of land
and not know where it is at all, but can accurately portray historical information about it that the person giving it to me can verify afterwards with
acutal, written historical information and personal experience? 

Here's the thing.  Before RV was invented as a concept, back in the early part of the last century, it was a practice people used all the time. 
Maybe not many people, but it was done.  All that guy did was make rules for it.  Doesn't mean it didn't happen before.  So, to think that this is
some exclusive club of people following protocol, that all others who can view remotely aren't doing it, is wrong.  This is like saying that
people who prayed to God before organized religion came about weren't really praying, because religious texts weren't around yet to lay the
groundwork down of how to do it and when to do it through priests, etc. 

My guess is that you are a remote viewer who follows strict protocol and you were trained a certain way and taught to dismiss any variant of your
method, which is why you cannot begin to accept the ideas of others, even if proven and documented. 

what is psi?  really i dont mean sound silly i really want to try and learn. 
and as the man said before, im not a RVer, though i probably could if i was shown how.  so yeah maybe if i was taught how to remote view i probably
could.  or is that not what RV is and am im getting it all confused. 

RV is defined by the protocol, the procedures followed.  Follow the procedures and if you are successful, then you would be considered to be a RV. 

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