Cops are called to break up a drunken party, fire shots into a carload of unarmed kids that were "backing down the road toward officers in an aggressive manner".  None of the kids were charged with anything, however.  15yo passenger was killed when one of the officers bullets struck him in the head. 

Cops are called to break up a drunken party, fire shots into a carload of unarmed kids that were "backing down the road toward officers in an aggressive manner".  None of the kids were charged with anything, however.  15yo passenger was killed when one of the officers bullets struck him in the head. 

Cops are called to break up a drunken party, fire shots into a carload of unarmed kids that were "backing down the road toward officers in an aggressive manner".  None of the kids were charged with anything, however.  15yo passenger was killed when one of the officers bullets struck him in the head. 

Cops are called to break up a drunken party, fire shots into a carload of unarmed kids that were "backing down the road toward officers in an aggressive manner".  None of the kids were charged with anything, however.  15yo passenger was killed when one of the officers bullets struck him in the head. 

Cops are called to break up a drunken party, fire shots into a carload of unarmed kids that were "backing down the road toward officers in an aggressive manner".  None of the kids were charged with anything, however.  15yo passenger was killed when one of the officers bullets struck him in the head. 

He said that while he never came out and said he felt Shelby was guilty, he will always regret not “hanging the jury.” 

“At one point I talked with another juror about just hanging the jury, and making the state try the case again,” he said. “ We really agreed that if they did a better job, they could have convicted her.  And maybe the right thing to do was just make them do it again, maybe they do something different and a different jury convicts her. 

“I’ll always feel like a coward for not doing that.” 

He said jurors had no idea how long they would be required to stay in the deliberation room.  As tiredness and hunger set it, votes started to trend toward not guilty. 

“We took a vote pretty early on and it was six not guilty, two guilty and four undecided,” he said. “ We did it again and it was … seven not guilty, three guilty and two undecided.  The next time we voted, we kind of went around the table and we all were supposed to explain our position.  When it got to me I kind of felt like I should commit one way, and I committed to not guilty.” 

He said that jurors all agreed that the second charging option — first-degree manslaughter resisting criminal attempt — was more likely to return a guilty verdict.  But when even that started to trend toward not guilty, it quickly became obvious they would acquit. 

“We also didn’t know how long we would have to deliberate,” he said. “ We were thinking ‘How long do we have to stay in here before they do a mistrial?  I was kind of irritated because I was hungry, I was tired — we all were — and we kind of felt that we needed to just come to a decision.” 

hey i mean maybe she was guilty, but i hadn't eaten in like four hours so horsefeathers it. 

He said that while he never came out and said he felt Shelby was guilty, he will always regret not “hanging the jury.” 

“At one point I talked with another juror about just hanging the jury, and making the state try the case again,” he said. “ We really agreed that if they did a better job, they could have convicted her.  And maybe the right thing to do was just make them do it again, maybe they do something different and a different jury convicts her. 

“I’ll always feel like a coward for not doing that.” 

He said jurors had no idea how long they would be required to stay in the deliberation room.  As tiredness and hunger set it, votes started to trend toward not guilty. 

“We took a vote pretty early on and it was six not guilty, two guilty and four undecided,” he said. “ We did it again and it was … seven not guilty, three guilty and two undecided.  The next time we voted, we kind of went around the table and we all were supposed to explain our position.  When it got to me I kind of felt like I should commit one way, and I committed to not guilty.” 

He said that jurors all agreed that the second charging option — first-degree manslaughter resisting criminal attempt — was more likely to return a guilty verdict.  But when even that started to trend toward not guilty, it quickly became obvious they would acquit. 

“We also didn’t know how long we would have to deliberate,” he said. “ We were thinking ‘How long do we have to stay in here before they do a mistrial?  I was kind of irritated because I was hungry, I was tired — we all were — and we kind of felt that we needed to just come to a decision.” 

hey i mean maybe she was guilty, but i hadn't eaten in like four hours so horsefeathers it. 

This story is total horsefeathering [expletive] and makes me so angry...stole a tv...got 5 years(!)  probation...mistakenly identified as a suspect in a robbery...found not guilty...but judge revokes probation...goes to prison for 7 years! 

Banedon wrote:This story is total horsefeathering [expletive] and makes me so angry...stole a tv...got 5 years(!)  probation...mistakenly identified as a suspect in a robbery...found not guilty...but judge revokes probation...goes to prison for 7 years! 

Banedon wrote:This story is total horsefeathering [expletive] and makes me so angry...stole a tv...got 5 years(!)  probation...mistakenly identified as a suspect in a robbery...found not guilty...but judge revokes probation...goes to prison for 7 years! 

Banedon wrote:This story is total horsefeathering [expletive] and makes me so angry...stole a tv...got 5 years(!)  probation...mistakenly identified as a suspect in a robbery...found not guilty...but judge revokes probation...goes to prison for 7 years! 

Banedon wrote:This story is total horsefeathering [expletive] and makes me so angry...stole a tv...got 5 years(!)  probation...mistakenly identified as a suspect in a robbery...found not guilty...but judge revokes probation...goes to prison for 7 years! 

You're going to have to explain to me why five years probation (no jail time, evidently) for breaking and entering into a person's home is an outrage. 

No, I don't.  Because that's a teeny tiny itty bitty piece of the outrage that you should've gotten from reading that story. 

The rest of the story appears to be an indefensible outrage. 

But you editorialized on his initial sentence with an "!"  and the linked article eventually refers to that as an "injustice."  You also misrepresented his crime (and the article seems to attempt to blur this line) because his initial crime wasn't theft, it was burglary. 

I see no reason why we cannot hold two thoughts in our head at the same time, and address both assertions. 

Exile on Waveland wrote:You're going to have to explain to me why five years probation (no jail time, evidently) for breaking and entering into a person's home is an outrage. 

No, I don't.  Because that's a teeny tiny itty bitty piece of the outrage that you should've gotten from reading that story. 

The rest of the story appears to be an indefensible outrage. 

But you editorialized on his initial sentence with an "!"  and the linked article eventually refers to that as an "injustice."  You also misrepresented his crime (and the article seems to attempt to blur this line) because his initial crime wasn't theft, it was burglary. 

I see no reason why we cannot hold two thoughts in our head at the same time, and address both assertions. 

I think it's too much.  But I'm not a lawyer...I don't know what's typical for that situation, and so I can't argue the case with anything other than my own feeling on it.  Maybe it's right on...I couldn't really say.  And it's not an argument I'm interested in having.