A search on "Orage" turned up nothing, which means the answer to this is probably simple, but I do not have it. 

In a nutshell when I start aptosid the Orage configuration window and the Orage calendar start in the middle of the screen.  It is simple enough to click ad close them, but I cannot find the setting that prevents the auto-start behavior in the first place. 

Hmmm, that is odd catalinus.  I was not able to make several of the suggestions work.  I decided that before going any further there might be some merit to just removing and reinstalling Orage.  Then perhaps those suggestions might do what their authors adised. 

So I did "apt-get purge Orage" as I recall.  Orage went away and my Xfce is still here. ( 2010-3) Now I still have calendar and date showing in my systray.  I show time and if I move the mouse pointer over it I show day and date as well. 

I must confess I was surprised and that is all I really need.  So Orage may just stay away until something convinces me I need to put it back. 

If I do your suggestion probably will work.  I am going to call this "solved."  If anybody else has a similar problem the answer is in one of these responses. 

Thanks for responding! 

catalinus

Post subject:Posted: 04.02.2011, 20:45

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Code:

# apt-get --purge remove orage
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
orage* xfce4*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 5 not upgraded. 
After this operation, 5,366 kB disk space will be freed. 
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? 

Seeing is believing.  But for the heck of it try this and see what the output says:

apt-get -s purge orage

I think I used "purge" instead of "purge remove" I checked "man apt-get" and "-s" is a switch meaning "simulate".  I tested it and it works. 

So is there a difference between "purge" and "purge remove"?  Might be. 

muchan

Post subject:Posted: 04.02.2011, 21:51

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"--purge remove" and "purge" are same.  See "man apt-get". 
(there wasn't "purge" command, once it was "remove with --purge option.) 

The package "xfce" is a metapackage to install all of xfce4 suites. 
It "depends" on orage, so that orage will be installed with meta-package,
but removing the xfce4 meta-package does not remove the XFCE4 desktop environment. 
See "apt-cache show xfce4" and "apt-cache depends xfce4"

Thank you muchan, that makes some sense out of it.  Debian has voluminous documentation on apt and aptitude, but I have to admit I have trouble holding it in my head.  So the man page is where I do go.  But I missed the point you are making with regard to "purge". 

What I know is that I did remove Orage without disturbing anything else. 

In my opinion (worth a cold cup of coffee I assume) Orage is a badly designed application.  It just should not so difficult to configure and manage it.  If that has to be done at the cli that's fine, but I could not understand what I thought was the relevant Xfce documentation. 

So did I "solve" the problem?  Well I suppose in a sense I did.  If I need what Orage does I'll go looking for something else with which to do it.