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"Hello Turkey, nice to make your acquaintance. \n\nI've been thinking about this game alot, because the fact that it will only last until 1910 really changes my strategy. Add in that no one is likely to NMR and I believe it will be near impossible to solo. As such, it really only makes sense to find a ride or die partner for close tactical coordination and grab as many centers as possible.\n\nAs I'm sure you know, when R/T can trust each other and are firing on all 8 the Juggernaut can be nearly unstoppable. You, as Turkey, are my number 1 preferred partner in this game. I propose that we ally to dominate the Eastern sphere of this game. Do you agree?",
"I mean, who doesn't like a good Juggernaut? Always a fun start to the game! \n\nHow do you like to play it? Standard bounce in Black then go our own way West, or something a little fancier that requires a bit more trust? I'm of course partial to a plan that gets an army rather than a fleet in rum, but other than that pretty open.",
"I usually go with the bounce, but due to the unusual nature of this game I would consider other openings. If you would be willing to allow F SEV-BLA I could support us both into a quick takeover of the Balkans. I understand that that move takes a lot of trust, however, so I am of course open to other suggestions.",
"Bounce is safer, but rotation is more fun, and it's just a game. Let's do it.",
"Nice! Have to take some time to think about this tactically but I think we're in a good spot.\n\n I'm kind of surprised Italy took Trieste, that's statistically a pretty bad move for Italy.",
"But a good move for us, unless it's a Key - which it likely isn't, because the moving the second fleet north hurts that opening.\n\nSo...umm... Carry on, I guess. You're pretty well guaranteed two builds.",
"Alrighty then - looks like there will be no coherent defense from the West.",
"Italy getting two builds concerns me a little bit. I want to make sure that you gain two builds if possible in 1902. I'm worried that Italy is going to throw two fleets at you and to be honest losing you would be crippling for my game.\n\nI've been toying with the idea of asking for an Alliance of you, Germany and I to go to 1910 together. I think it's the only thing that makes strategic sense. I can help you with Italy and Germany with England, and all three of us can end up with 10+ centers at the end of 1910. Do you have any input on this idea?",
"I'm ok with that - and his current issues aside, France is a reasonable alternative to Germany there - especially as I half-expect England/Germany to pull back and react to your three builds. But I'm good either way.\n\nIn any event, yes, I expect Italy to drop two fleets and position on me. If Austria were actually communicative I'd be trying to spin my positioning as protecting him, but at the moment I'm talking to a wall. Which is somewhat moot if we move fast enough - he shouldn't really have enough time to firm up a credible defense.",
"So...interestingly, I was having a conversation with the admin about why I would give an order for my army to be convoyed by your Black Sea fleet even though that wasn't ever something I asked for or discussed. And it makes me wonder - did you see that move as me sending a message, and if so what message?",
"Well, I can tell you that it totally faked out Germany. They think that I screwed you by not convoying and the Jug isn't even on their radar at the moment. In that aspect it was amazingly successful. Tactically it's not a bad move, keeping an army back offers you a little insurance against an Armenian stab this year (of course I wasn't stabbing anyway, but insurance never hurts). If you had gained two builds it would have left Con and Smy open to build fleets in. Good move.",
"Germany called it \"an obvious bit of Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown\"",
"What are you thinking in regards to the Balkans this turn? I've got a possible idea, but I need to kick the tactics around in my head for a minute before I explain it.",
"I think this set of moves is the safe, normal play here:\n\nRussia\nA BUD-VIE\nA RUM S BUL-SER\nF BLA C ANK-BUL\nA SEV-UKR\n\nTurkey\nA BUL-SER\nA ANK-BUL\n\nI think there are other options as well, like if I supported Austria from Serbia to Trieste, allowing you to move into Serbia, keeping Austria at 3 centers and harming Italy. That kind of move has a much greater risk of blowing up in our faces, however.\n\n I'm willing to follow your lead here, you tell me which way to jump.",
"Well hello, lots of messages to catch up on. So the convoy move had more or less the intended effect. 😀\n\nI *finally* am getting responses from Austria, so trying to stand Italy out of Ionian in the sitting is an option. Otherwise it's fall back on original plan which is basically the moves you have up above. Trying to get tricksy with supporting Austria forward sounds like a way to end up with hostile units in Galicia. If I were going to put forth another option, it would probably be for you to rotate rum to gal while I tap Greece and Serbia - letting Budapest choose which move to support.",
"Well, not perfect, but we can work with this. Serbia will take your proxy order this turn - I assume supporting rum to bud?",
"Alternative proposal: use rum to support Serbia, and punch your fleet through Constantinople to get it on the front line.",
"Deadline's looming. What's the plan, chief?",
"I've been informed that Germany and England will be moving against me this turn, unfortunately. I'm going to move RUM-BUD, all other moves will be heading North.",
"Fair. Didn't sound like they had gotten their shit together, but do what you need. Serbia will support",
"Do you need anything specific besides me just pushing along in the South?",
"Could you tap TRI? I may be able to snag VIE this year, depending on what Germany decides to do.",
"Done. Let me know if not needed, as if be better off trying to rotate.",
"Side note: for a bunch of Diplomacy players, this board isn't very talkative.",
"I'll agree with that. You and Germany are the only ones seemingly willing to communicate with me, and Germany has been talked into a bad faith deal with England it appears. I'm trying to use England's NMR to drive a wedge in that relationship now.",
"I think the way we played 1901 made Germany think that I am a giant threat, when in actuality I really do want to work with Germany. \n\nDo you think we can get you in Trieste this year?",
"Quite possibly. You'll want me to tap it anyway to help protect Vienna.",
"Found the negotiation point with Germany - he wants Trieste. Is that something you're willing to bargain on, and if so what do you want?",
"(to be clear, I'm ordered to Trieste myself until I hear otherwise from you)",
"I think I have something worked out that takes some of the issue off of you. You'll know it worked if you see some chairs in the West this turn. 😀",
"Wow, autocorrect. Some of the pressure off of you. Chaos in the West.",
"That's awesome, I can work with that. It gives me the ability to make offensive moves in the North again with Germany under pressure."
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"Greetings Russia!\n\nHow is it over there in the north? I feel that an France-Russia alliance is basically the best in the game. Of course, this is a bit more of a mid and late-game alliance, but there is no reason not to work something out rn. What do you think? Looking forwards to a great game\n\n-France",
"Absolutely, I think with the artificial time constraints in this game a three or four way draw is the most likely outcome, and as we share no direct spheres of influence I of course bear you no ill will. Hope to see you in the end game",
"Alright, looking forwards to it. Have you heard anything of italy, france, or germany? Just trying to gather some intel here 🤪",
"Hi again Russia. I don't know about you but I would be interested in an alliance—our positions perfectly complement each other right now. I know that you and turkey have an alliance—but if you look at the last few years, it's clear that you haven't gotten anything out of this. In the first year of the game, you had 7 units, and were looking like you basically had the game. But once you made your alliance with turkey, you were all bottled up, and got no more builds. But now, your actually in a great place to stab turkey, with you fleet in Bla, and your armies in the Balkans. I think if we play this right, the game could practically be ours.",
"Excellent move!",
"To be honest I'm not willing to betray trust with Turkey. I would be happy, however to see a 3 way draw in 1910 consisting of you, Turkey and I.",
"What are you thinking for moves?",
"It would be nice if you attacked silesia, but you don't have to",
"That kind of leaves me vulnerable on the retreat, but I will self bounce over it if you wish",
"Sure",
"Hey... I thought we were going for a 3-way draw. I clearly wasn't going for the solo and I think your decision to attack me was shortsighted and selfish",
"Hey Russia,\nEverybody vastly overreacted, worrying that I was going to go for the solo, since I had 11 centers. Even though I clearly wasn't going to, literally EVERYONE teamed up against me, reducing me to 9. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the attack continued. Meanwhile, turkey has gotten 12 centers, and is in a great position—you territory is exposed, and turkey is likely going to break through my defenses as well. It's more than likely that turkey is going for the solo. Just saying—if turkey wins, it's because all of u guys were selfish and ignored the bigger threat at hand. On that note, I hope turkey doesn't win, and that we can come together to stop them(much like you did to me). BTW I am sending this message to everybody. I hope we can work together to stop the solo",
"Hey Russia, based off them telling/threatening me and their Maine’s indicating it, Turkey is for the solo.",
"Just letting you know, so we can work together and stop them.",
"Hey Russia . Can we agree it’s time to put a hold on Turkey, as they are 3 away from getting the solo... we should collaborate/support each other, as it is clear neither of us will be eliminated (sending this message to everyone)"
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"Hello",
"I would like to work with you",
"Hello. Is it me you're looking for?",
"Yes, actually. It is. Lol.",
"On a more serious note, I have come to the realization that France and Russia have no intentions to work with me. I also realize that you will shortly have no room to grow. I propose an alliance between the two of us. We try to take out Russia before the end of the game, thus leaving only three of us to split the pot. Russia will have no choice but to disband a unit next phase. I expect him to disband his fleet in the South, thus leaving you the perfect opportunity to attack. Let me know what your thoughts are.",
"You've pretty much voiced my thoughts there. The turn I accidentally went nmr, the orders that didn't take were me moving North into Russia. Now I'm just waiting for another good window - and post-pull is the right time.",
"Great, I'm looking forward to it.",
"Any specifics on how we want this to end?",
"Based on the current circumstances I'd say a five way draw is the most plausible ending."
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"Would you like to work together?",
"I do like the prospect of an alliance between our two nations. Maybe to take out germany? Have you heard anything from them? \n\nIn any case, I think we should arrange a DMZ in the english channel. It will allow both of our fleets to be more effective in places where they could do a lot more. Let me know what you think.\n\n Looking forwards to a great game! -France",
"I haven't really heard much of anything from Germany.",
"Also, I think a DMZ could work well.",
"Ok. Want to work together against germany?",
"Yes, that's what I'm hoping for.",
"What are you thinking for moves?",
"I plan on moving to nth and nrg. I will take nor with a fleet and then convoy into bel.",
"Sounds good",
"Imma move into bur",
"I was expecting you to bounce me... oh well",
"Ooops.. wrong person",
"So you moved into Eng. ANy chance we can resolve this peacefully?",
"For example I could support u into belguim if you don't move into brest",
"No thank you.",
"Hey Engand; I know our relationship doesn't stand very well- but we need to stop Russia. They got 3 builds, and have a few more in their pocket, as they are about to crush Austria and turkey at the same time. And then, I'm not sure if you noticed.... but the build in Stp... could only mean one thing. I know your focused on taking my territory rn, but if you want to have any shot at winning your going to need to put aside our differences and get your fleets further south where they can stop russia",
"I 100 percent agree with you right now, I've actually already placed orders to reroute my army.",
"Ok. what's w/ picardy? Maybe you could work something out w/ germany and get it south?",
"I was going to support bel to bur, but I will see if he is able to change his plans before adjudication,",
"I'm assuming germany reached out to you about attacking me?",
"Yes, but I know that he also realizes the Russian threat and will most likely be willing to work together.",
"Well, no matter what germany says you probably shouldn't do that as it allows germany to be more powerfull, and does nothing to stop russia. What germany and I are wanting to do is have him move to Tyr and me go to Mar and then Pie",
"What I think you should do is move Eng to Nth, convince Germany to let you move Bel(you wouldn't be taking it though, just moving through), and then convoy Bel to Nwy where you could really fight russia",
"What do you think?",
"I think it's a good idea",
"Ok, talk to germany about it. I let them know I think you should do it but they havn't responded yet",
"So did you work something out with germany?",
"Still talking with him. He's leaving your border, but isn't thrilled with the idea of me moving to bel.",
"He says he worked it out with u and is doing it. Lie or truth?",
"what are you planning for Nwy? Hold? If you want to take the risk u could move to Bar",
"Or for something safer go to sweden",
"I was holding. I think that's the best idea, although I have no doubt that he will take it.",
"Moving to Swe can't hurt, right?",
"About to adjudicate. Gl",
"That's right. I'll send the order now.",
"You don't have your orders in yet? What? 🥵",
"Hey england. Havn't heard from you in a while. What are you thinking about germany? Has ur alliance ended bc of your betrayal or not rly?",
"We agreed that I would take bel, so there is no betrayal. At the moment were trying to finish up Scandinavia.",
"Ok",
"WHy didn't you move?",
"Germany told me your moving out of belguim. Is it true/",
"I don't know why I didn't move, I made sure to send my orders. Yes, I will be convoying out of Bel.",
"Sounds good.",
"Were still good right?",
"Yes, we're still good",
"Hi England. So I looked at the map and have re-assessed my alliances. A few years ago, you were missing turns and not making the best moves, so naturally my decision was to go with Russia instead of you for a 3-way win. But times have changed; you have played very well, weakened Russia, and are in a great position. Me and turkey are planning on stabbing Russia this fall, and we will(most likely) be guaranteed at least 3 of their centers, rendereing them very weak. So my suggestion to you is that we switch alliances and try to go for a 3-way win between me, you, and turkey. TUrkey is on board with this",
"On that note if you want to attack denmarkit is appreciatied",
"You've already proven yourself to be too unweildy of an ally for me. I do plan on working against Russia with the ottomans, and I will gladly accept a three-way draw, but I will not be helping you against Germany.",
"I never said you should help me against Germany. I OFFERED you a position in a three way draw.",
"I said it would \"be appreciated\"",
"Ok",
"Ok",
"Hey England,\nEverybody vastly overreacted, worrying that I was going to go for the solo, since I had 11 centers. Even though I clearly wasn't going to, literally EVERYONE teamed up against me, reducing me to 9. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the attack continued. Meanwhile, turkey has gotten 12 centers, and is in a great position—Russia is exposed, and they are likely going to break through my defenses as well. It's more than likely that turkey is going for the solo. Just saying—if turkey wins, it's because all of u guys were selfish and ignored the bigger threat at hand. On that note, I hope turkey doesn't win, and that we can come together to stop them(much like you did to me). BTW I am sending this message to everybody. I hope we can put aside our past and stop bickering over here in the west.",
"I will leave you to fight the ottomans.",
"Hey England. Can we agree it’s time to put a hold on Turkey, as they are 3 away from getting the solo... we should collaborate/support each other, as it is clear neither of us will be eliminated (sending this message to everyone)",
"Yes, I completely agree. I am moving to hold him off in northern Russia and if you need I can send you naval support in the Mediterranean.",
"Hey, I think we can agree that we need to take whatever measures possilble to stop Turkey from getting one more supply center. We just need to last one more year, and I think with some communication it might be possible. Do whatever it takes to stop turkey",
"Realistically, turkey won't be able to take any supply centers from you. So what you need to do is move your fleets adjacent to germanys territories(which will be attacked), and then support germany in them OR take them if they have already been taken",
"This game is probably over, but we need to try",
"That's the plan; defend German territory",
"Thanks",
"Ok, I legitimantly think we can stop turkey from getting one more center.",
"What are you thinking for moves?",
"Defend mun I guess. As long as he doesn't take anything this phase, the game will end with a five way draw.",
"Yea, Russia got lucky"
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"Hey Turkey! \n\nHow's it looking over there in the east? Anyways, I was wondering in if you have any intel on Italy, since I haven't heard much from them. I realize we most likely won't have too much to do with each other in the beginning, but I'm looking forwards to working with you later in the game if were both still around!",
"I've reached out to Italy and heard... Absolutely nothing. No response yet. Sorry!\nHe doesn't seem the most talkative type. \n\nAnyway, how you doin?",
"Hey Turkey; I don't know if you have noticed but Russia is huge rn and is about to crush both you and Austria, and then proceed to run over the rest of the map. Idk how your relationship with Austria or Italy is, but you guys really need to work together to stop Russia.",
"Why are you working with russia??? You realize as soon as they have used you they are going to turn on you and crush you?",
"Does that mean you don't want to talk about a Triple Entente?",
"How would you like to spice this pie?",
"Hi turkey. Sorry I haven't been in touch. Actually, I'm interested in working with you. You seem like a pretty good player, and our positions in this game complement each other. We could work on taking out italy, if your interested",
"I mean, certainly looks like that's what our positions dictate right now. And the fact that he's simply silent.",
"Ok. Are you still with russia? THey are kinda in a pickle rn, and are going to have trouble growing unless you help them. The only people you can really attack are italy and russia...",
"I'm assuming your going to take ion, and then Triest with the help of russia?",
"In any case, you attacking triest would be great for both of us. SInce I am going for Venice with germanies support, if you went for triest we would almost definitly get them both, unless russia does something wierd",
"That was the plan -looks like it worked out, too. Anyway, kill Italy fast, then my natural path is to the north -no reason for us to waste a lot of time and effort deadlocked in the med.",
"I agree about the med... but if you have sole control over it I'm sure you understand that I might worry. Ideally, after Italy is wiped out, then we would both withdraw or disband our fleets.",
"That would be nice, but even just making sure we don't start an arms race there by putting more and more units in is a good start. We can probably both afford to keep two fleets locking it down for the foreseeable future.",
"As you could probably guess, me and Germany have an alliance. But, if I'm going to be 100% honest here, I think that at this point in the game, where Germany is completely exposed from the backside(Ruhr), it's time to shift our alliances. I seriously doubt anybody is going to get the win—but getting a two-way win might be possible. If I can take out Germany, and you take out Russia, Italy and England are a piece of cake.",
"I like the cut of your jib. I'm planning to cut north after builds, and to really make that pay off is assuming that, after Italy, your focus is one of your other neighbors and not me. And while I would never advise you to betray a trust, you're certainly correct that Germany is hella out of position until he can put a couple builds down.",
"I don't really think it would make sense to go after you, considering I could just walk into Germany. What are you thinking for builds?",
"No plans for my unit in venice rn. Would you like me to support u into tyr?",
"Or I could move Piedmont to Tyr.. what do you think?",
"FFS, is our deadline really midnight Monday et? Hang on, checking map -i thought we had more time.",
"I can support Piedmont to Tyrolia",
"Ok let’s do that. I’m also moving to burgundy and Tyrolia, so not looking good for Germany 😈",
"And now for me to do my part - pivoting now.",
"Oh, and I frigging hate it when someone NMRs and it turns out to be better for them than just about any moves they might have put in. This turn, I can cover Naples, you can cover Rome and Tunis, and either he NMRs again and is eliminated, or he puts orders in and can cover at most one of them.",
"Why did you move into Venice? What are we going to do for moves?",
"As long as you tap Venice, it's stable.",
"Our borders are a bit awkward, especially in Italy. And I would like there to be more trust between us, since we need to work to together. I think one problem is the lack of communication; we are barely talking to each other.",
"On that note, I think we should abondon russia, and either go for the two-way win, or a 3-way win w/ england, because they will be extremely hard to eliminate",
"England has just as many units as Russia, but they are going to be very difficult to eliminate, while Russia will be easy to wipe out. I have already talked to england about this and they are on board.",
"So this turn don't actually stab Russia yet, just get in a convenient position to do so. Assuming Russia doesn't expect anything, we will be able to get 3 of russias supply centers. I hope you agree to this plan, and let me know in the next few hours, as I am not going to stab russia unless you are on board",
"Oh, come on turkey. You know there isn’t any way your going to eliminate me before 1910, and I’m clearly not going for the solo",
"Oof, I've been traveling all day and just got your messages. No, there's no point in trying to eliminate you. And, yes, I'm pretty sure we could eliminate Russia.",
"SO... could you stop attacking me and instead attack russia, whose centers are wide open to your taking? Your attack on me was very selfish as I am clearly not going to be able to get the solo, but we might be able to eliminate Russia IF YOU ATTACKED THEM",
"... What do you think I just did?",
"I sent that before adjudication",
"Fair point. 😃",
"Looks like someone is going for the solo😲",
"Is it you? I think you can do it if there's not too much English resistance 🙂",
"No. i was talking about the person with 12 supply centers.",
"Oh - yeah, there's not enough time in this game to hit a solo. Just attacking Russia *like everyone kept asking me to do*. 🙂",
"Ok, let’s go for a 3-way win between me, u, and England, this is the most realistic option at this point",
"Works for me - and notice that I'm actually putting zero pressure on you now 🙂",
"*although you took like 6 of my territories before*",
"lol - two, three at most, but fair enough. I've made no effort to move past the boot, or even to position where I coud",
"What about now...",
"I'm not moving toward you. If I were, I'd have built a southern fleet. In fact, I'm grounding the Adriatic fleet away from Ionian",
"Well, it looks like its game over",
"^most likely",
"Maybe?"
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"Hello! What are your initial plans?",
"Still hashing it out.",
"Cool. I don't like Russia so far, so an A/I that can stop a juggernaut would be my preference right now.",
"I haven't heard from Russia yet.",
"Oof. So you decided to attack Austria and now Russia and Turkey are in a much better position. My advice would be to apologize to Austria and fight against this juggernaut that could be forming. Attacking Austria is not gonna work well for you.",
"So there is definitely a juggernaut forming",
"I'm okay with that.",
"I'm okay with that",
"Ummm... a juggernaut means Russia and Turkey hold their alliance above an alliance with Austria or Italy. Russia confirmed in chat with me that he has been planning to work with Turkey since the beginning.",
"Hmm I thought it was something else",
"I'm thoroughly confused as to what is happening in the east. Russia seems to have lied to everyone",
"He asks me to stab every turn. Hes allied with everyone, begging them to stab. Then everyone is like, watch out for the jugg or watch out for the Austronaut.",
"Austria would do a key or speed lepanto and wanted to do blue water which was very pro Russian. It's on him for trusting Russia over me.",
"Wouldnt",
"So are you working with Turkey now? Or Austria?",
"Considering I'm in Syria, Im not sure if the question is rhetorical.",
"If you arent using Tyrolia, tapping Bohemia would be super helpful to me.",
"I'll keep it in mind.",
"I can hold munich"
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"Modified Key Lepanto?",
"Hey Italy. I don’t want to fight you right now. Are you familiar with the deep water / deep blue lepanto? It’s a move that lets us work together in the first few years against Turkey.",
"You read my mind.",
"Not key though.",
"Just to be clear, I’m open to a modified Lepanto, but not a Key. I’ve never played with you before and I’d like to go on a date, maybe a nice dinner on a romantic boat ride before giving you a key to my place. 😉",
"I like the Key where I go BOH and take AEG. We both get one build and Turkey falls fast.",
"What does boh stand for here? I normally associate that with Bohemia.\nThe opening I’m talking about is Italy: A Rom - Ven; F Nap - TyrS; A Ven - Apu; F Trie - AdrS; A Vie - Trie; A Bud - ?;",
"From there, I take the Ionian and you build F Nap. In Spring you kick me out of Ion and I retreat East to EMed or Aeg and then we start convoying in the fall.\nI’ve always thought of Key Lepanto being where I let you move in to Trie and then you move out, into Serb Before winter.",
"Crap I meant BUD",
"I’m open to working with you. Most of my shared wins are either as Italy working with Austria or vice versa. Letting you take a home center is a bit more than I’m willing to give up at this time.",
"It's cool it takes a ton of trust, so I get it that you're unwilling to try. Unfortunately without a guaranteed center going AEG isnt viable. I'll think about the blue water.",
"At the very least do you want to organize a bounce in Ven? Russia is being aggressive and Turkey is stonewalling, so we might be looking at an ill-advised and obvious juggernaut. It’s possible that’s just smoke, but I’m always cautious about that and a western triple",
"Well if you're worried about a jugg then a blue water seems risky for you. Sounds like you're hedging.",
"It is a risk, and a blue water can be bad in that situation. I’m willing to take the risk though because just turtling will lead to a boring game where I’m eliminated in 1904. I’d rather have some say over my destiny.",
"I’m going to sleep. I’ll respond in the morning.",
"Any more thoughts about the blue water?",
"We can try it",
"What are you planning to do with Ven? Push it to Apu and then push Rom - Ven?",
"I can bounce you in Trie if you prefer?",
"That doesn't sound like blue water...",
"Bouncing in Trie can be incorporated into a blue water Lepanto. Diplo pouch and diplomacy archive both suggest Austria move A Vie - Trie and F Trie - Alb. They differ on A Ven though. One says it should check France by moving to Pie and the other suggests A Ven hold.\nI want to really sell our “conflict” to the other parties and keep a presence up north in case Russia tries to force the Carpathians. A Vie - Trie bouncing with A Ven - Trie accomplishes both of these goals for me. Additionally, if I move F Trie - ADR instead of F Trie - Alb and we bounce, then you don’t have to worry about me having two units on Venice’s border.",
"The question in my mind is how I get into IonS.",
"Bounce in tri, you can so adr but it's a tough sell. Alb is much easier to sell. Then alb - ion",
"Do you mean a tough sell to you or the rest of the board?",
"Just an FYI, my moves are currently set for a Trie bounce and a move to Alb.",
"If we are going to move East together, then my opinion is that we want a stalemate in the west until we have established control in the East.\nFrance has confirmed that it will force Burgundy this year. Instead of F Nap - Ion, can you order F Nap - TyrS or F Ven - Pie to scare him off? What do you think? You can still blue water Lepanto with an opening to TyrS and you can take a shot at Mar if you move Pie. I think France and England decisively destroying Germany would be bad for us and would love to hear your thoughts.",
"You didn't really secure yourself for blue water. You still moving ion or just taking gre?",
"I can cover Bud. I wanted that bounce in Trie because I suspected Russia was lying. Turns out Russia did directly lie to me. This makes me think Russia is working with Turkey.",
"Blue water can still happen if you move F Ion - Tun. I’m putting a lot of trust in you. If you stab me, I’m going to let Turkey have everything.",
"Do you want to do blue water still or no?",
"Youd be giving up Greece though.",
"If you move to Tun, do you think Turkey will build two fleets? That’d be a red alert for Russia and Turkey working together and would frustrate a Lepanto of any kind.",
"Maybe not but any fleet could he bad. Up to you. It's your build.",
"Are you going to take Tun with F Ion or convoy A Nap?",
"Depends if you want Greece or a retreat.",
"What do you think about F Alb S A Apu - Gre, A Apu - Gre, F Ion C A Apu - Gre? I’ve never seen it happen.",
"I've done it but its usually off a hedgehog. You have no reason to drop an army in Greece when we have your fleet which is much more useful there.",
"The fleet isn’t going to take it. Russia will probably force Rum and Turkey will probably push for a bounce/ take Gre this turn",
"Oh were you not supporting with SER?",
"If you're doing a self bounce, I can do the convoy.",
"Let me know I'll do it",
"I say we stick to the blue water. Is that cool with you? If so, I’ll move into the Ionic",
"Okay",
"So Tyrolia...",
"You said you wanted it to look like we were fighting. Russia also wanted me there. If I wanted to stab I would have walked into TRI as I knew it would be unoccupied. Also I would have convoyed",
"I'm sliding back south for the convoy and dislodging you",
"Sorry next time I'll keep you in the loop. This chat interface isnt the best for the amount of messages I usually send.",
"Ok. That makes sense. Russia looks like he might try to push Gal. I can’t fight you both and I hadn’t considered Tri.",
"I know russia just asked me for help to split you if we weren't doing a lepanto. I said, \"He cant stop us both!\" Which is true for you and Turkey. But I'm full in for the lepanto. I just have to say vague truths to Russia for now.",
"I believe you.",
"The jugg can still happen and I have fleet mar. Cant afford to attack you, not that it matters. I'm a grab one player by the hand and run kind of guy. Hence my two hearts stitched together icon. I'm seriously loyal and will suicide into my ally if I'm stabbed. So let's roll the map and make some money.",
"Cool. I’m in agreement with you. I’m trying to use 3 center France and it’s navy to convince England to ally with Germany and am trying to get him to convoy an army up north while Russia fights me in the Carpathians. Russia and Turkey both built away from the Russo - Turkish front in ways that telegraph a desire to attack me and you. Russia could have taken Rum with a fleet and built a second in Sev, but instead he moved an army there and built A War. Turkey’s build is entirely useless for fighting Russia. The Juggernaut is going to happen.",
"I agree",
"Would you please move A Tyrl - Boh",
"Blast. That boh support would be nice",
"sorry I thought I had a little more time, that was on me.",
"F EMed C A Apu - Syr?",
"Yes",
"alright",
"I'm gonna tap SMY, can you support ION - AEG?",
"do you wanna bounce with me somewhere? Russia is again asking me to split you.",
"or maybe I should go to arm",
"Can you bounce Vie?",
"you got it",
"I think I’m going to need F Nap - ADR for support in Trie, but I’ll to look at it all after work. If Germany isn’t able to get relief, the juggernaut will take the board",
"I already switched that. Ordered that exactly.",
"I would be surprised if we don’t see\n\n1. A Ank S F Smy hold, F Smy S F Con - Aeg; or\n2. A Ank - Smy, A Smy - Aeg, A Con S A Smy - Aeg\nWith F Rum holding or moving to Sev \n\nRussia has been issuing very cautious orders . I think they’re going to either\n1. move by displacing Serb, which allows a retreat into either Alb, Bud, or Vie; or\n2. move Turkey into Alb from Greece, and move up everything else (e.g. A Bul - Gre w/ A Seb S A Bul - Gre. \n\nI also don’t think there is anything permanent in Smy at this point.\n\nWhat do you think about\nA Smy - Gre with A Alb supporting it in?",
"Syria?",
"Yeah, sorry",
"I'm willing to try it. I figure Armenia would be good pressure though",
"Got all this way",
"Shit I'm sorry I didn't know adjudication was happening so soon.",
"Yeah it comes quickly.\n\nThis has been one of the most stressful and unproductive games I’ve ever played. I’m amazed that I’m still alive.\n\nWhat do you think about\nF Ion - AEG\nF ADR - Ion\nF EMed S F Ion -AEG",
"Sounds good",
"What’s your plan for A Tyrl?",
"Germany asked me to tap bohemia",
"But if you need it, its yours",
"Like I said, I'm loyal to a fault.",
"Wish you would have keyed with me",
"No, I’m OK. I’m going to risk Vienna.\n\nYeah, it would have worked.",
"I’m supporting your fleet to AEG, but I can also support you to Smy",
"Russia is your friend right now. Can you figure out what Turkish units he is thinking of attacking and which territories of mine he wants to hit?\n\nGreece might be open and I might be able to risk more if we figure his moves out",
"Sounds good",
"support my fleet to AEG\nI think you should try for serbia",
"he's offering me ank, I think I'll still tap smy to get aeg",
"He say anything about Vie",
"Nothing.",
"Well that sucks",
"Sorry, I had them in. I just didnt hit submit I guess",
"It’s ok. We need to get you into Boh",
"Alright. You got a build right?",
"Yeah",
"I’m supporting you into Boh and AEG",
"I say you shoot for Sev and try to wreak havoc behind his lines",
"Got it!",
"I fully agree",
"I’m going to be at risk when he retreats to Gal, especially if he coordinates with Turkey.",
"Hopefully my raider gets though. Might save us.",
"Yeah, if you can tap Rum, Gal, and Gre, we’ll be ok",
"Hey",
"I’m supporting Gre - Bul and Rum to hold",
"What do you need from ukr?",
"Do you \n1. want to shift down into Bul with me supporting Ukr into Bul\n2. Shift up into Bul? With me trying to maneuver towards War?\n\nWhatever you do, France is building up towards you. A deliberate bounce in Pie might not be a bad choice because it’ll give you time to secure the Med next year",
"Support gal into war?",
"I got that ordered for now",
"Shit sorry didnt hit submit. Backstabbr is killing me.",
"What do you want to do? You can’t lose a fleet because of France",
"Hey?",
"Sorry I'm working",
"Will be off in a hour or so",
"Will you be available then?",
"Yeah, I’m home from work",
"Oh crap, I forgot",
"Alright, so, let me look",
"So...",
"Bud s rum \nSer s gre - bul\nGal s war",
"Ok",
"What going on with boh?",
"I didn’t expect to take War. I’m debating pressing north with it, but it could also help you.",
"I think I’m going to send it south",
"Okay.",
"Dude",
"Did I not submit? I'm scared to check.",
"You didn’t.",
"Dammit",
"Moving into sev. I've submitted my orders",
"Pulling back to ven if you wanna support me. Otherwise its probably a disband.",
"I didn’t see these before I moved. I’m sorry. I just assumed you weren’t entering any more moves",
"I can support you into Rum again and try to take Bul? I have to bounce Trie",
"You can delete the army. I’ll let you hold it without a unit so that you can keep your boats.",
"I have a destroy so theres no losing the army.",
"I’m supporting you into Tyrl",
"Is that ok?"
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"Hello, my friend - I would like to work with you long-term. Please let me know which direction you'd like to go first - into Austria or into Turkey. Your choice will be my direction too.",
"I'm still figuring it out.",
"What are your first impressions? Germany obviously doesn't like you.",
"What makes you think that Germany doesn't \"like\" me?",
"He said it.",
"He said that he didn't like me? What are we, middle school kids?",
"Apparently. I haven't talked to anyone enough. Maybe he's just trying to stop a wintergreen.",
"Well ... what are your thoughts on a Wintergreen? That's a Russia-Italy partnership, right?",
"It is Russo-Italian.",
"Austria is going to hedgehog though so I doubt we can get together soon.",
"hedgehog? You mean he's going to open with his fleet to Venice?",
"Yes he's adamant on a ven move.",
"Interesting. That did not appear to be a hedgehog.",
"No I'm not sure what he's doing.",
"I wish you were in Tyrol.",
"Well I thought the move would fail.",
"Who did you think would open there?",
"Nobody but without ven it'd be bad.",
"Do you want to attack Austria together? You could try for Trieste again or go for position.",
"so... are doing a crafty lepanto or would you like to team up on Austria together? I’d be down for a split of Austria, then we take out turkey. Thoughts?",
"He can't stop us both!",
"You really like Tyrolia!",
"I heard there was a supply center rush in Germany and wanted my fair share.",
"Interesting. Usually Italy doesn’t bypass Austria to go after German dots. That’s an unsustainable position. We also have two on Vienna, if you’re interested.",
"Looks like you're full on moving towards Germany",
"you online?",
"So, I'd be curious as to your thoughts going into this year. Any interest in working together to divide up Austria quickly, and then take out Turkey?",
"Looks like you were working with Austria there. Changing it up?",
"He disbanded an army. And left himself wide open to us.",
"I think it would be in our mutual benefit to coordinate",
"Alright. I'm in a good spot. What's the plan. I' got units on Turkey and Austria. I want to grow.",
"I could support you into ANK",
"I’d like to do a long term split of the 8-9 centers. So, maybe I have long term ownership of ANK, but I’m willing to put you in there now.",
"Yeah. You probably should have worked with me. Or submitted orders.",
"Or both.",
"Meh, I hate this platform. It's alright. With chat down this game is a bust anyway.",
"Yet, you didn’t get on the “restart” bus with everyone else.",
"That’s pretty disingenuous on your part. I don’t seem to have a problem, and this is my first online game in years.",
"I thought there would be a more formal ask on the restart. I didnt know if it was necessary for me to say anything.",
"Literally everybody else was saying something.",
"And good for you. I haven't missed any turns in my 3 conspiracy games.",
"And, I even asked you to chime in. But, like every other request of you I’ve made - you ignored it.",
"And I was waiting for the moderator to say what he needed.",
"That’s great. Why could t you get your orders in for the game that you’re getting paid to participate in?",
"He did. He said he’s restart them game if all players agreed. Dude, it’s cool. You thought you had an advantageous position so why restart?",
"But own it. Don’t pretend, after you bolo some moves, that you wanted the restart all along. That’s disingenuous.",
"You still married to Austria?",
"He hasnt spoken to me. Not that I blame him.",
"What did I miss, your orders don't look agressive towards him",
"Nothing. After missing orders I think he's through.",
"too bad France is on your ass, otherwise you could possibly slip into Trieste.",
"Yeah and France wont talk. Its okay. It all my fault.",
"Like a candle, burning from both ends. You lit up the table, my friend - but you're running out of wick.",
"I'd be fine if I hit the submit button",
"Won't you be down to four centers?",
"Yeah I'm gonna die. Not much I can do about it.",
"well ... you could make up for taking SEV when you did. 🙂",
"Not sure where you're going with this",
"Sometimes when players accept that their game is over they try to help out the players whose games they ruined in the process.",
"For example, when you walked into Sevastapol, you blew up my position and really put by game in ruins. Maybe you would like to do something to remedy this. Let me know what Austria is doing, etc. I really think you'd be having a much better game if you had just ran in on Austria while you had the chance - which is something I was trying to coordinate with you.",
"Yeah, honestly you're the only one to contact me",
"I try to talk to everyone. The facilitator has old me that this is one of the last talkative games he’s run. I think it’s because everyone is in line trying to get tickets to go see Frozen II.",
"*told, least",
"I usually do, but this interface makes it less fluid.",
"Why would you keep the isolated army?"
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"Hello there! I realize that we don’t have a ton to talk about but I’m curious what you think about the game in general, and specifically France.",
"I'm not sure yet, let me work out the East.",
"Yeah just want to know what my neighbors are thinking, keep me posted and let me know if you need my opinion on anything",
"Not always giving me the option to guess true or false even though it asks me. <@567829259054219275>",
"I’ve been getting it",
"Any chance you move against France?"
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"I can support you in Trieste and leave you to convoy to Greece.",
"He speaks!",
"I could say the same thing, what about what i said",
"I think Austria is about dead anyway. Might as well.",
"Ok lets do that",
"Austria just became a vassal of russia. We have to start talking at least.",
"Agreed, I'm seeing it too",
"now, how do we take advantage of this situation? Russia is pulling a lot of strings here and we really have to do something",
"what would you have me do?",
"Will you be able to arrange convoying the army back?",
"I'll try",
"Armenia?",
"We are going to lose anyway by the 1910",
"But we can at least work together, you, me and austria together to ensure we at least survive"
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"Hello there 😄",
"Hi",
"That was a good lie",
"I think you may have problems.",
"Oof this is a tough one to react to",
"Both England and Germany are wondering if I'll open west.",
"But I won't",
"You’re really trying to get that lying bonus huh",
"Kidding 😘",
"Hey if I am not then you are so dead!",
"Really, fleet MAR",
"Please swing north with that shit.",
"Jugg jugg jugg jugg",
"Lol Austria",
"You really coming for me?",
"😱",
"Iuch"
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"Hey, would you mind guaranteeing Tyrolia by leaving A Mun where it is or by bouncing in Bul? If you tell Italy you have my back, I’m less likely to wind up like the actual Austrians and we both get to live longer.",
"I'd rather use my army in the northern campaign, but I certainly dont want to see Italy in Tyrolia, so I'll talk to Italy and see where they are at. I still might bounce in Bur, still figuring things out.",
"Yeah, Russia is playing hard ball, so i understand and fully support you hitting north (maybe with England’s help). If you do bounce Bur, I can make do as well.",
"Did you organize a bounce in Bur / tell Italy you’ll guarantee Tyrolia?",
"Just checking. Not demanding.",
"France has told me he is supporting himself into Burgundy, which is troubling. I have talked to Italy, but I can't guarantee that I can help you if France is hostile to me.",
"France confirmed the same to me. I’m trying to make him paranoid about the Italians and have put the idea in England’s heard that England can take the channel and use it as leverage for Bel. Hope that helps.",
"Wow... Italy really screwed you over. I'll be bouncing Russia out of Sweden, and I'm trying to get Italy to stop attacking you, but Turkey could be another source of help for you.",
"I’m trying to get England to ally with you by pointing to 3 center France, the French navy, and the Juggernaut.\nRe: Juggernaut - Russia could have taken Rum with F Sev and built a new fleet. Instead, Russia built A War. Turkey could have built an army in Ank, but instead ordered literally the only build that doesn’t threaten Russia or even secure Turkey’s right flank. I’m clearly going to be fighting in the Carpathians and would appreciate you and England pressuring the north if you can. I recognize that Nth and the EC are more strategically important to you both, but if you can keep Russia out of Sweden or take StP, I’d appreciate it.",
"England moved against me. I don't think he's going to work with me",
"Yeah, hopefully England will change is it’s mind.",
"England still gunning for me even when France and Russia are going to attack him. This is so annoying. The two of us are about to get smashed",
"Russia is allegedly about to hit boh and sil. He warned me about Serb and I thought he was trying to take Gal and Bud instead and Germany has been fairly consistent with me, so I believe him. He said he also isn’t happy about Turkey getting as much as he did as quickly as he did. I’ll try one more time with England",
"I think he's telling you what you want you hear, but he could be doing the same to me. One of the two of us will get attacked by Russia though, of that I am sure.",
"It’s possible, but I don’t really have an option.",
"Please dont hurt me",
"I dont really understand why you worked with Russia. I would appreciate if you worked with Italy and not Russia",
"I’m working with Italy.",
"So why support Russia to Serbia?",
"I wasn’t going to be able to get it back and he said he’d move a fleet into Rum. I had nothing to lose by ordering that.",
"Russia built where he did even though I said that would prove to me that he’s been acting in bad faith. We need France and England to acknowledge the juggernaut before they get to the stalemate.",
"You did have something to lose by ordering that. Russia getting larger is not good for either of us.",
"England says he’s willing to call truce because of Russia",
"I haven't attacked England once so I'm not sure what he wants me to do differently?",
"Maybe he will hell you into Bel and BarS?",
"What is Silesia doing?",
"I’m not sure. Italy failing to enter orders for an entire year has made my life difficult",
"I dont like it there",
"Ok. That was rather aggressive",
"Im taking Italy and Russias SCs. I would appreciate you covering your own SCs or attacking Russia elsewhere.",
"I’m set to surrender"
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"Hello! What are your thoughts in Scandinavia?",
"I would like Sweden. In exchange, I would offer up that fleet as a proxy unit for you. Want some help into Skag? You got it. Want me to help you into North Sea after I take Norway? It's all yours. Thoughts?",
"Hello! So it sounds like you are already planning on taking Sweden and Norway. I will confess that a strong Northern power makes me uncomfortable. If you are planning on taking Norway, you are probably committing your army in Moscow to St Pete this year then? That makes you awfully vulnerable in the south.",
"I thought we might work together? If I took Norway with your help, we could DMZ Scandinavia - which would allow me to focus on the South.",
"Anyway, that's getting way ahead of ourselves - I can't fight on two fronts, I'd rather work with you in the North and focus on the South.",
"I'd consider that if you didn't build at all in St Pete. Let me talk to France and get back to you, since I would clearly benefit more from this in an EF alliance than an EG alliance, and France has yet to say anything.",
"I'm comfortable with no build in the north.",
"Honestly, I think that I'm going to have to dedicate most of my units towards the South. Let me know if the proxy fleet concept works for you. I'd prefer to free up your units to do something more productive than to fight over a build in Scandinavia.",
"I just dont know how useful that promise is to me unless A) I can trust you fully B) I'm all in on an English attack. I'm not saying I dont want to be friends with you, I'm just letting you know that the deal seems a bit flat.",
"So ... you just auto-bounce the Russian in Sweden unless you Sealion?",
"Look, your tone has me very concerned - you don't seem particularly interested in working with me or exploring the possibilities of us having peace between our units in Scandinavia. I've been offering you partnership and opportunity from the get-go and not really feeling like there's any reciprocity. Have you already made up your mind how you want to play your position and I'm wasting my time? Or are you open to negotiation and finding common ground and working out a way we can cooperate?",
"Well. You offered to support England against me, so I'm not in a very trusting mood with you. I've also heard stuff from Austria about you that is concerning, so it's not just England pulling a fast one on me. I've said I'm not opposed to working with you - and I'm certainly not opposed to keeping peace between the three of us in Scandinavia. I just cant commit in spring 01 to fight against England when France has sent very little press (and alarming press at that) and the things I am hearing about you are conflicting. Your impatience troubles me even more. Do you always nail down all of your alliances within hours of the game start?",
"No, but I like to feel other players out to see what they're open to and considering. I told England that I'd be open to moving on you (Germany), which is true. I mean, if he had said \"yes, let's do it! You can have Norway, let's lure him into bouncing you in Sweden, but in reality I'll move there while you move to Baltic and make him guess which home center to cover after you move to Silesia from Warsaw in '01 .... \" I mean, yeah, I'd probably work with him.",
"But just because I said that I'd be open to it, doesn't mean I was trying to get him to attack you from the jump. I also told him what I've told you, which is that I think I need to head south and I'd just like some sort of peaceful arrangement in the north.",
"So you just admitted that you are still open to working against me rather than with me. So why are you mad at me for telling you from the start that I too am keeping my options open? Just be patient. Let me talk to France.",
"If you're getting other press from these guys that say that I'm talking about opening against Germany from the jump, and you believe it, then I think we've got some stiff competition for the $10 bounty for \"best liar.\" My preferred option with Germany is to leave GAL a DMZ, hold with A Moscow, and then use it against whoever lies to me in '01 (covering Warsaw from an Austrian or German in GAL/SIL, going to Norway in England lies to me, or covering SEV if Turkey opens to Armenia). Maybe you find me too direct, but I thought we were having a conversation and then you got weird.",
"*with Russia.",
"I'm not mad at you, I was just reading the tone of your press. 🙂 And i read it correctly, you were worried about me trying to play you based on what you were getting from England and Austria. I also like to keep my options open and to feel out the other players. I don't expect other players to turn around and share my press with my opponents, because that strikes me as a poor way to demonstrate one's ability to keep quiet about things. But thank you for letting me know that England can't be trusted. That's valuable information. For what it's worth, Italy is someone you probably shouldn't trust to keep your communications with him quiet, either.",
"Well I'm glad that we were able to lay that out in the open. And I didn't think you were going to pounce on me from the start, I just see you as an ambitious player, and like I said, having a strong Russian presence in the north from an ambitious player combined with a hostile England does not bode well for Germany unless Germany has already bolstered themselves in my past experience.",
"Excellent. I respect honesty and competent play. If you can demonstrate both, you'll have my respect - and also a trustworthy partner.",
"Well I am very happy to see you move southerly. My biggest concern now is France and his movement to Burgundy. Do you have any insight on his plans?",
"He forced it. Very interesting. He was not very talkative with me, probably because he was focused on chatting with you and England.",
"I mean, it’s not a super unusual opening. A tad aggressive for my taste, but unusual. I’d say there’s a decent chance he goes to BEL and it’s up to you to figure out what England does. YOR-HOL can be killer.",
"*not. But not unusual.",
"If England is going to do that, it’s either a new plan or one he wasn’t comfortable discussing with me. He seemed more interested in Russia opening south than seeking my assistance against you. That could be good for you or it could mean he doesn’t want me around to be able to help you out.",
"You haven't talked to France at all? Can you talk to him now?",
"Can do. Would you mind letting me into Sweden?",
"If I let you into Sweden, you wont build north and you wont attack me?",
"My offer of fleet Sweden as your proxy still stands. And no, I won’t attack you. I might build A STP, but definitely not F STP/sc",
"Okay, I'll allow you in, but if you build army st pete then I dont want that unit moving without me knowing where it is going each phase.",
"Ok. Sounds a little paranoid, but fair. Neither France or England are being forthcoming...",
"England tricked me. Now I must kill them. I'm building a fleet to use against England. I will support you in the spring if you promise to use that to contest Norway. I apologize for bouncing you, I did it to secure a relationship with England, but he threw that away.",
"Fleet Kiel, correct?",
"I looked at the map and see that you only have Berlin open. Thank you for the heads up.",
"Yes, I can only do Berlin",
"So, what’s the plan? Do you think you’ve got a friend in France?",
"To give you my perspective, when I play Germany, I don’t bounce Sweden in ‘01 as a general rule. I wait and see if England is working with me - if he is, taking out the solo fleet is too easy and slows down English gains. If he isn’t, then now I have a potential ally in place to help. And if England and Russia are going to team up on me, I’m screwed anyway - but at least I haven’t provided Russia with additional motivation. Now, WAR-SIL changes that math.",
"Well I see the merit in most of this, I think you are discounting a build in St Pete by Russia. Russia can easily get a second unit North, and then it isn't just a lone fleet in Sweden. I still dont trust France completely, but at this point I have no other choice than to work with you and France. England openly attacked me, and neither you nor France have.",
"Okay, am I supporting you into Sweden? If you are covering St Pete I'd like to go Sweden to ensure England doesnt get it. Just let me know what to do.",
"I’m going to Sweden",
"Awesome, I'm supporting you",
"Thank you.",
"Thank you for your assistance. It would appear that England is coming for you, full bore. Is France on your side?",
"Oh thank goodness. It appears France is on my side. Idk why England has it out for me, but it's annoying. I may need you to either go to Norway or support hold Denmark if you can?",
"Norway is intriguing. I wish I was in STP right now. 😦",
"Well at least you have the juggernaut going for you now 😉",
"This guy ... \"let's try to hide it by me pretending to attack you.\" 👌 😩",
"no one believes it's not a juggernaut until Russia is in Bulgaria or Turkey is in Rumania.",
"Austria has asked me to move my units towards you (away from him, I suppose). How did your discussions with Italy go regarding his unit in Tyrolia? He seems to have fled south quickly (most likely to convoy over to Syria).",
"Actually I didn't even talk to him last phase, and the phase before I just said that attacking Austria was dumb unless he was in a wintergreen alliance.",
"well, that was apparently the way to get him to go south.",
"Even with my help, you could still lose Denmark.",
"He has three fleets to attack with. If Denmark holds and Kiel and Sweden support hold, he cant take it.",
"Oh. Yeah. Math.",
"For what it’s worth, France hasn’t asked me to move west or anything. So, he’s probably your friend.",
"That's good to know, thanks",
"England just sent me a message that says he is going to take Denmark and then stop attacking me because of France... \nLike... what is he doing?",
"I had an opportunity to DMZ the north, sorry. Though, now that England left North Sea as a retreat location, I might not find Norway such easy pickings ...",
"hi. did you want to talk at all?",
"I mean",
"Is there any way of me getting your help this phase?",
"I'm not actually in any of your centers.",
"But you supported England into my SC after I supported you",
"what do you want? would you prefer to focus on england?",
"I thought I made myself clear that England was my whole focus last phase. Now that you've allied with England against me, I have two people to be mad at now. You attacking me is more understandable than England though",
"Oh... except you are in Bohemia and Silesia",
"well, he agreed to dmz the north, as i explained, and then he made the moves to support it.",
"I am.",
"Look, it doesn't do me great good to knock you out of the game right away. I was wondering if you'd be open to a dialogue or are you closed off to any kind of dicussions.",
"I mean I'm open to discussion, but I'm using most of my efforts with other countries since I feel like I wont be able to get very far this phase with you. In later phases things will change though",
"My only real bargaining chip is helping you against England in Scandinavia, or supporting you against Austria",
"How would you suggest going about helping me against Austria?",
"Well... tbh I am mostly going to be holding this phase. I'm going to Munich though, and if you relieve pressure on me I can continue south and support you there.",
"I wouldn't mind you disbanding one of your 5 northern troops. Tbh, I dont know why you only have 2 troops protecting your south when Austria and Turkey can both attack you strongly now.",
"Thought England was interested in working with me against you. I have no idea why he went for Sweden instead of taking a (guaranteed) support into Kiel. Sorry.",
"You're apologizing to me for England not attacking me?",
"Sure",
"I’m apologizing for trusting him.",
"Would you like support into Denmark?",
"If I order Kiel to Denmark you could take Berlin by force. Once you've backed off my border I'll consider moving my troops in a way other than protecting myself against invaders.",
"That’s totally fair. I’ll make that a possibility.",
"what do you want me to build?",
"An army would be preferable",
"done. can we go our separate ways?",
"Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what Austria and Italy are doing now",
"well, Italy is about to get desparate for dots. So, I'd watch your back.",
"I build the army and would like to head south. I'd appreciate it if you held off from attacking STP or headed towards Warsaw. i honestly believe that you have bigger fish to fry and can makes some great headway with your fleets if you head west.",
"Why are you sending your fleet at me?",
"Please, if I wanted to attack you I'd go from Norway. Baltic was going to cover Berlin, but now it will bounce in Denmark",
"classical mid-game mistake, going after Russia instead of Austria.",
"the problem with weakening Russia at this point - is by the time you shift towards Austria, there's no way to beat him off - and you can't hold Warsaw and Moscow against him.",
"He only has 4 SCs",
"Well, who do you think will get Italy’s",
"France?",
"Eye roll",
"Those two have been cuddle buddies from the jump"
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"Hello germany! I figured we should open up talks",
"Yes, most certainly. I would very much like to work with you against Russia to keep him from dominating the North, and working against France together would also be great. E/G is one of my favorite alliances to play.",
"Would you be okay with the idea of me having Hol? The fifth build can be tough for England.",
"I would very much not be okay with you having Hol, it's an SC directly bordering my home. I can help you into Bel though, or help you against Russia into Sweden or St Pete for that extra SC or 2.",
"Understandable but worth the ask in my opinion. Not trying to be overly aggressive.",
"I don’t want to overcommit to attacking anyone this early, but I appreciate you offering support. So you don’t think you and France will be friendly?",
"As a western power I usually stay undecided as to who I really want to work with during the first year. But generally speaking I prefer an E/G over an F/G or E/F. It just makes dealing with Russia so much easier.",
"Makes sense I play germany the same way, any time that I am too aggressive or get 6 in the first year I end up getting ganged up on.",
"So Russia sent me a message asking for a deal. He said if I would help him into Sweden he would support me into North Sea after he takes Norway. This obviously raises some red flags since he is already assuming he will take Norway. I'd be surprised if he wasn't opening Moscow to St Pete.",
"He told me he wants to open against Germany, and that he would help me into Denmark from Sweden 😂 I didn’t believe him (and voted so) because that is a terrible opening for Russia. Seems like he is a troublemaker",
"Lol. Yeah, he's the only person I've thumbs downed so far.",
"So he told austria to his face that he plans on moving into Gal (according to Austria) seems like a wildcard",
"Have you actually talked to France yet",
"I sent a message. He just responded. Reading it next.",
"How’d that go?",
"Well, he told me he was supporting himself into Burgundy, so uhhhh.... not really liking him so far",
"Oof, yeah that is aggressive. At least he’s honest?",
"He could be bluffing. Get me to think that moving to Bur is pointless and that I should stay in Munich. Instead he blitzes north to Pic and takes Bur from Marseilles uncontested. Now he has two units poised to take Bel or possibly attack Munich if I do leave. Either way, telling me that is not good news for me",
"Yeah it means he will not be friendly. I’ll be in NTH so I’ll be in a powerful position. I’ll be happy to lend support assuming I am cleared to get Nwy. Just let me know",
"Yeah I think we'll be fine, it's just hard that France and Russia are both playing against us.",
"We will see what russia actually does, they seem like a wildcard",
"Well, you are poised to take Norway, and I can bounce Russia out of Sweden. I'd like to take Holland, but you can have Belgium. Unfortunately France did get into Burgundy like he said, so he could either go to Munich or Belgium.",
"Yeah I am trying to find out for you (discretely) if he will be hitting Munich. Are you actually planning on bouncing Swe? I think it’s a fun move. How do you want to handle the French threat? I might be able to bounce him in Bel or even take it if he goes Mun like I would expect",
"In full disclosure, France offered to go to EC and I said I'd love that, fully expecting him to never go there (why would he give up a build to go EC?). France told me that you were lobbying for him to go to Ruhr, which doesn't exactly match up with the last message you just sent me.",
"If France doesn't go to Bel, Spain, and Portugal I would be very surprised. I'm going to cover Munich regardless, it's too big of a risk to let him in.",
"That makes sense, that’s annoying that France is trying to split us up. At least I can bounce him in Bel. Are you doing the russia bounce? If I am going to stand with you I need to know if I have to prepare for some Russian anger",
"Yeah I lied to Russia.",
"😂😂 sounds good, so how do you want me to play this turn? Hit bel?",
"You never denied that you told France to go to Ruhr.",
"I'm too paranoid for this game",
"I would love it if you went to Bel",
"I did not tell France to go Ruh, I don’t want that much pressure on you and it would be better for us if he went Bel and I bounced him",
"Well that was kinda dumb on your part. You knew I was going to Holland, so you didn't get a build AND you made me mad. I was soooooo sold on allying with you all game, but not anymore. Can you please explain your thought process there?",
"Not sure what I need to explain, I feel like I have more to gain siding with France, especially since you have angered Russia.",
"Except that France is now at 6 SCs and you are at 4 and I'm much more angry at you. France is in a much better position than you now.",
"I still dont understand why you are gunning for me. I literally was ready to work with you wholeheartedly and you are attacking me while leaving yourself open to Russia and France who are not exactly helping you back. I guess their lies are more persuasive than my truth...",
"I stabbed you but now it looks like France is stabbing me. I’m going to stop attacking you after I take Den",
"Lol. Or you could not take Denmark, protect yourself, and try to stop France.",
"So if you stop attacking me I will shift all aggression to Russia.",
"If you want to help stop Russia from rolling me (then possibly teaming up with France against you) I would appreciate Denmark tapping Baltic.",
"I’d consider it if you could get France off my back",
"I tried working with you against France at the beginning and you declined. Now it's a bit late, as I warned you before. I can try to get him to back off, but it will be very difficult at this point.",
"Yeah I’m not saying that we have a full alliance but there’s no reason for me to just help you, especially when it would leave me with 0 allies",
"Do you have more than 0 allies right now? I wouldn't consider Russia an ally so much as he isn't going to attack you until I'm dead. Russia has turned on Turkey when convenient, turned on Austria when convenient, and Italy thought they were allies when they weren't. Trusting Russia will kill you.",
"Okay so several countries have come to me saying that you are painting me as not wanting to work with you. That's entirely false. I have made 0 moves against you. You have attacked me. I have asked for your help against Russia, you said you would only do it if I somehow got France to help.\nFrom my point of view I have done everything in my power to work with you, and you are spurning me at any chance you get.\nPlease stop working against me. Please stop spreading false ideas about me. Is there something I did to personally offend you?",
"I am not trying to spread lies, I genuinely feel as though you have no interest in working with me. I was under the impression that you said that it was “too late” for us to work together. England/Germany/France is always a 2 on 1, usually with England choosing their side. I played both and decided to go with France mainly because their plan and communication felt better. I chose wrong, and I am paying dearly for it. I apologize for doing so. At this point it feels as though you are working with France, which is inherently against me. If I have read that wrong then I apologize, but for those reasons I could not just go against Russia because in doing so I would cause a 3 on 1. That is why I asked you to get France off of me in exchange, it is the only way I survive. Otherwise it doesn’t make a difference to me if I lose and France wins or I lose and Russia wins.",
"I am honestly sorry for how our game has started, and I am proposing an alliance between the two of us. I know that it will be hard for you to trust me, but I think that you can see that it is my only option, and so to betray you again would be short sighted and suicidal. If you can’t trust me, then I have no choice but to hope russia wants me as his sidekick given my navel power. I don’t want that to be my role in this game, so I hope that you will consider my proposal.",
"Thank you for being honest with me now. I'm not working against you at all. I am very interested in working with you, considering that I was the one who approached you and asked to work against Russia together. \nI actually felt like you didn't want to work with me, because you were saying you wouldn't work with me unless France backed off - something I cant control.",
"I have been talking with France, and I think i might have actually got him properly scared of Russia to back off of you. I'm waiting to hear back from my latest message, but he will only do it if you actually do help against Russia, something I still dont know if i can trust you on.",
"So how do we do this. I can help you by stopping russia in the north, you can help me by putting some pressure on France so that he has to go home. What do you think about me supporting you into the Bal from Kiel and supporting you into Bel. You push back russia a little, and cost France a build if you cut the Bur support.",
"Oh so you don’t want to go against France?",
"I cant attack France with Munich this turn. I will likely lose Munich if I attack Bur, and then that does me no good at all, since I'll be at like 1 SC at the end of the year.",
"That’s fair, how about that Kiel move then",
"If Russia moves Baltic into Berlin with support than I have lost Berlin, vacated Kiel, and again I'm down to like 2 SCs. I really do want to work with you, but you and Russia put me in a super super bad position and I pretty much have to hold this phase. I have tried to think of ways around it and I just cant.",
"Holland is free though",
"I suppose if I trusted you and France 100% I could use Holland to cover for Kiel",
"I am sending NTH to Lon this year (I hope it works) which would make you feel better. If you want this to work you will have to trust me.",
"Honestly I think the best help might just be tapping Baltic for me so that I can hold everything tight this phase, but that's just going to stall everything out, so idk. This game is pretty hopeless for me I'm afraid.",
"Me as well, I messed up things for both of us and I apologize. Why don’t I just gamble and take Sweden?",
"Well, BOT is probably going to Sweden, so that also wouldn't be a terrible move",
"BOT might fill Bal, he thinks I’m getting him into Ber this turn",
"Where are you supposed to be supporting him from?",
"Oh... Bal",
"Yep, obviously I will not though",
"Okay, yeah, this is good. I think going to Sweden will work best then.",
"Just waiting to hear back from France now",
"Same",
"Well, Russia has a disband and we both kept our SCs this year, so that's good news. France unfortunately still seems intent on attacking you, he never responded to my last message",
"Russia offered me support into Denmark. No doubt still trying to take Berlin, or maybe trying to get Norway",
"Yeah this France thing is getting annoying"
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"Hello! Russia sounds like he is opening Moscow into St Pete. Just thought I'd let you know to help you plan.",
"Hello there! You seem to be certain about that. I wont be making my plans on something like that, you will understand that, I could easily get locked in a deadly war that way.",
"I'll be honest and say I'm not enthused about seeing Austria get attacked from Italy and Russia, although I am pleasantly surprised seeing Russia open more southerly. I'm not sure what your plans are, but we would both hate to see a wintergreen alliance, which looks very possible right now.",
"I am not sure what is happening, but you did send wrong info on Russia. Your agenda looks like making me fight Russia. I could if you are willing to commit.",
"Russia promised me he would help support me into North Sea from Norway, implying he would move north. That obviously didn't happen.",
"That also implies you don't help England or that you help him to het in Norway in the first place. We definitely should stay in contact and work our way to brighter future.",
"tought times for you and me",
"would you be interested in cooperation with me and maybe italy",
"Yes, but how?",
"Let england and france fight each other, maybe even side with france to secure land border. I'll try to talk to italy, could you do it also? Austria is a mere vassal so maybe a word, but not too much. Italian army could be very useful if he decides to work with us. After a round or two explain england that russia is behind everything and that you could help him if he turns on russia",
"Rough idea, but neither I or you have better option. If we do have please say so",
"So did Turkey stab you?",
"I am Turkey... LoL",
"Lol",
"I meant to ask is Russia stabbed you",
"If",
"I would say so now",
"Do you think you can persuade england to help?",
"I've been trying to persuade him all game and have done nothing to him but he still attacks me even when France and Russia are gonna clobber him.",
"England says you are refusing a truce with him",
"That's false. I asked England for help and he said the only way he would help me is if I stopped France from attacking him. I said I'd try but that that would be very difficult. I reached out to England and he is asking for unreasonable things in return. I have no control over France"
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"Hello there my dear Kaiser! Nice to meet you 😄",
"Hello, hello. What are your thoughts on an F/G alliance?",
"Hello hello! I for one would not oppose one, what are your thoughts?",
"Well, Russia has seemed to be stirring up all kinds of trouble, but he has offered me help against England, so that's a point in favor of an F/G. I would like to at least DMZ Bur in 01",
"That’s funny, Austria just asked for me to bounce you there so Mun can protect against a potential Tyr invasion",
"Idk why Austria thinks Tyr is going to be invaded this year",
"Guess he’s just nervous like he said",
"Well if you really want to we can bounce",
"The truth is, I’m supporting Par into Bur so I can make a play at Bel/Pic in the Fall. Since You’ll see I’m telling the truth after Spring, I’ll also say within the same message that I have no intentions of moving into Mun, whether Italy is there or not. There’s no point pissing you off and taking Mun when I can’t even defend it for more than a year, and I value honesty above centers. This might be a rough start to our alliance but I don’t want any fuckery around Burgundy so I’m taking it for myself, and I hope we can work together well afterwards.",
"Well that obviously makes it difficult for us to work together this year. What is your plan in the fall?",
"As I've said before, typically use it control Belgium and make sure that England isn't able to convoy an army onto our lands.",
"Alright, so you actually went to Burgundy. I dont really trust you to stay out of Munich so far, so I'll be covering Munich and you can have Belgium.",
"What are your thoughts on a delayed FG attack on England?",
"I'm aware I might have pissed you off a little, and I'd like to change the course of that. I could still move ENG and Bel this season, and we'd have the jump.",
"Moving to EC would certainly tip me towards working with you more. I hope you understand that I still can't commit this turn though.",
"Fair enough, I still apologize for Bur. I tried to be as honest and clear as I could, and I hope you see that I'm now dedicated towards a potential alliance between us",
"I mean, being honest is great, but I need to see honesty and moves that are mutually beneficial. What you did was honest, but not mutually beneficial. EC would be mutually beneficial, now we will see if you are honest.",
"As much as I would like to go EC I can't without a full commitment. So I guess we can see how Fall/builds play out and go from there, but just know that the option is there 🙂",
"You could bounce me if you want in Bel, if that would make you feel better/safer. As I've said before, my main priority is making sure England doesn't get an army onto our lands.",
"You keep saying you want to work with me, but then you say you cant move in a way where we work together. How am I supposed to commit to that?",
"\"I hope you understand that I still can't commit this turn though.\"",
"I don't expect you to commit to anything this season which is fair for both you and me",
"Also England's told me that he'll leak stuff to you. I'm telling you this as a sign of trust hopefully, but if you still don't believe me after all this then idk :/",
"Fair, although you have made anti-German moves while I have made fairly neutral moves.",
"I made one move that protects Burgundy and makes sure that BOTH Par/Mar are safe.",
"I apologize if it seemed super anti-German, and I've said countless times that I don't intend for it to be an anti-German opening.",
"England really wants me to move Ruh, take that as you will and believe me if you want.",
"You don't have to intend to be anti German to make moves that are anti German. You being in Burgundy and not in EC is certainly anti German, there is no arguing that. Look, we could talk in circles here, but all I'm saying is that I need to see some moves that are not anti-German before I work with you.",
"Fair enough, let's circle back next season 🙂",
"Okay, I'm in. England obviously doesnt want to work with me.",
"I told you I wasn't going for Mun!",
"Yes, I know. England tricked me, which means I'm trust you more than him now.",
"I'm building a fleet. I hope that is enough to gain your trust",
"I appreciate that a lot, perhaps we can start our cooperation up North",
"Glad we’ve come so far since Spring 01 😄",
"So it sounds like England thinks he is working with you. You have a choice to make. Support me into Hol or support England in. What are you going to do?",
"I won't contest you going into Holland",
"I guess you could support neither. That would be an interesting move.",
"Haha",
"That would certainly be interesting",
"If I support you into Hol how do you think you'll move your fleets?",
"Well I'm waiting to hear back from Russia, but I'd like to work with Russia to get England out of Scandinavia. Denmark will likely stay. Berlin is going to Kiel (if I get support). From there I go to Heligoland Bight and put pressure on North Sea (hopefully with Russia and your help).",
"If I dont get your support or Russias cooperation I'm basically stuck",
"If you do those moves then I suppose I'm in",
"Let me know if Russia gets back to you",
"Will do",
"Thank you!",
"England is really gunning for me. Not sure why he opened himself up to you and Russia so much just to come after me",
"Okay, so I'm gonna have to support Denmark and Holland against England this turn probably unless you think I could use my troops more wisely?",
"Oh boy. I didn't even see the juggernaut until just now.",
"Lol... England just said he's going to Denmark and then stop attacking me.",
"Ahh apologies, haven't been able to check for a while",
"Yes the Jugg is quite scary and Austria seems quite inept unfortunately",
"Haha I hope you flagged the \"stop attacking me\" message from England as a lie 😁",
"Supporting Ruh-Mun and have Bel S Hol in",
"Sorry I've been busy. I'm going Ruh-Mun and so I should be good to not lose SCs this phase as long as you support me.",
"Russia is gonna roll this game I think",
"Agreed, seems like FGIA vs Jugg and England",
"Hopefully England will relieve some pressure off you since I'm attacking him",
"Well I think Russia turned on Turkey to fight Austria now",
"I mean Italy has an army in Syr, don't see why Russia would open another front and fight Turkey",
"Regardless let's just grind this out and hopefully we come out on top 😂",
"Italy thought he was working with Russia too from what I've heard 😂",
"Good luck against England. Let's hope I can out guess Russia",
"England said he would help me against Russia if you backed off. Not sure I trust him though",
"I wouldn't either, wouldn't hurt to at least lie about it and see what he says?",
"Regardless I hope you trust that I'm with you in the long run 🙂",
"Yeah, think you can sell him on the lie?",
"Me? He contacted you but I would probably be able to",
"Like I told England I would talk to you. If I go to him and said you agreed, he is less likely to believe it than if we both talked him through it",
"I suppose we should have a reason you are willing to back off of him so it's more reasonable",
"Okay, England and I have been talking quite a bit and I think he might come around. If you could just talk to him before deadline and stress that he needs to attack Russia that might get him to do what we want.",
"England is moving North Sea to London btw",
"How ya doin?",
"Good. Just trying to figure out what Austria is doing",
"Good progress on the western front, now time to swing East 😁 perhaps you can use BAL to get armies into Pru/Lvn, while I’ll send all my fleets south like I have right now and try to stop this Italy/Austria alliance",
"Yup. Gonna head east/south now. Gotta eliminate Russia next",
"Some help against Austria would also be appreciated!",
"That fleet you built is slightly concerning. I'd like it to go to MAO this phase and I'd like to bounce North Sea just for good measure.",
"Sounds good to me",
"Ideally it would be in Mar but I need to deal with Pie for the time being",
"Would you be fine bouncing NWG and NTH this season?",
"Would be nice if you could somehow slide into Boh, I'd be willing to give you Venice later after I take Rom/Nap",
"Done and done",
"Apologies for the move to MAO I thought there was a possibility you would force yourself into NTH. Happy to see your progress East though, let me know what I can do to help 😄",
"With a force draw in 1910, there's no reason for either of us to stab. Otherwise I probably would have. Move MAO back south and continue bouncing please",
"I won't stab I just wanted to protect Bel/NTH for 1910 in case you decided to catch up with me to stab me. I'll support hold my units along our border, and would be willing to support you into Tri perhaps if I get into Ven this Spring",
"Was a fun game though, ggs and thanks for being a great ally 😄",
"Yeah, working together worked out much better for us than backstabbing worked for any of the others",
"Friendship always prevails!"
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"Greetings and salutations! I prefer not to bounce in Galicia - it weakens Austria against Italy since you can't cover Trieste and it means I HAVE to move Moscow to Ukraine, which commits that unit to a southern direction early. What are you thoughts?",
"I’m not a fan of fighting Italy or Russia as Austria. Germany will also probably guarantee Tyr. I just want to survive, and you two are capable of picking me apart. Is there some sort of arrangement we can come to with turkey and the Balkans that doesn’t involve me wasting away in the carpathians?",
"How much of Turkey are you willing to let the Italian have? I'd like two centers and I'd be comfortable with you having Bulgaria - as long as you were willing to head after Italy next.",
"Two centers is a lot to give if I’m doing the heavy lifting and then fighting Italy on top of it unless you’re going through Arm? I assumed you’d be going north?",
"I mean, I'm assuming you've got Italy doing a Lepanto and getting out of position. When you said an arrangement with Turkey - did you mean the three of us working together or you and I splitting him up. 'Cause if we split him up, then a 50/50 split seems pretty fair, right? I'd get two, and you'd get Bulgaria and another.",
"I meant carving him up. If you take the Armenian opening, I’m fine with a 2 & 1 + 1.",
"I just need some time to figure out Gal. I can always use Gal to support you into Rum?",
"The Armenian opening? What is that? I've never heard of it.",
"There’s a couple ways to do it. The most sure fire is F Sev - Rum; A Mos - Sev; A War - Ukr;\nF Rum - Sev; A Ukr - Sev; A Sev - Arm",
"The less sure is hoping you don’t bounce in Black while moving A Mos - Sev —> A Sev - Arm; F Black - Bul EC; A Ukr - Rum.",
"I think I would prefer to sit back and see what's happening before committing so strongly to an opening like that.",
"I would prefer if we left Galicia a DMZ, I'm not comfortable with you moving in there in '01. I think keeping it unoccupied during the game would be best for us to have a partnership.",
"May I ask what your intentions are with War and Mos? They have to go somewhere, and they both don’t fit down south if you don’t move into Gal or Sev.",
"I prefer to hold with Moscow and see who's telling me the truth.",
"Have you been telling people that you’re opening to Galicia? I’ve had several players ask me if I’m bouncing you there.",
"No, I have not told anyone that I’m moving to Galicia. I’ve even told a couple that I wasn’t going to. The only reason that would happen is if you and I don’t work out an agreement and I have to do a hedgehog.",
"I would like to stress that my preference is for Gal to be a DMZ with no bounces",
"I need confirmation from you that you’re staying out of Gal. I don’t want to destabilize things by moving there if you’re not attacking it.",
"Getting to my phone now. My preference is to DMZ Galicia as well.",
"Cool. I’m moving a standard Austrian opening that gives me flexibility with Greece and Italy.",
"I changed my orders to Galicia because (a) I felt that you waffled back and forth on it and (b) corroboration from other players.",
"And I’d rather guess wrong and be there myself than guess wrong and have someone else be there.",
"Who told you I was moving there? I never told anyone that I was moving Gal. I only ever said that I might hedgehog if you kept me in the dark. I’m asking who gave you the Gal info because I want to make sure I don’t get stabbed again.",
"If you want to try and repair the relationship, will you move A Gal - Rum?",
"I’m open to that. When I was told you were looking to hedgehog, the word “might” was dropped off. Then I had to google “Austria” and “hedgehog” and .... that’s a low win probability opening IMO.",
"Yeah, it is, because it means that Austria has no friends and is doomed to die first. I hate it and almost prefer to do a key Lepanto over a hedgehog.",
"I’ve never willingly participated in a Key lepanto.",
"I’ve done it twice and it worked, but those were on an android app where people were more likely to do silly things.",
"I have had one or two forced on me, and in my past 5 or so games I had to fight one off as Turkey.",
"France benefited from that one.",
"What’s going on in Tyolia? Was Italy supposed to go to Venice as well?",
"Nothing good is going on. That was an unnecessary move",
"Well, unnecessary if you’re going to parent with him, yes. I left Galicia and that should give us some space to work together, if you’d like to make a suggestion.",
"I’m thinking. I’ll have to get back to you. Italy and France getting 3 builds presents a bit of a pickle.",
"I think an EF is good for you.",
"Hey, I’ll be back online around 7 pm est. if you’d like to talk about how we proceed with respect to The balkans.",
"Would you mind sharing why you picked A War over A Mos?",
"Yes. England asked me to build there.",
"He’s asked me to go after Germany with him.",
"Turkey, of course, is asking me to send it to Galicia. Which is why I’d really like to talk to you about the balkans",
"France is going to eat up most of those gains if you pressure Germany from the west, and then take England easily. France has the largest navy and no real threats. That being said, your relations with the West are none of my business.",
"What do you think about F Sev - Arm, A Ukr - Sev, A Rum S A Ukr - Sev, A Serb S A Rum hold",
"Depending on how the spring shapes up, I will be able to act more directly against the Turks.",
"That seems like a horrible set of orders. Why not suggest that I cut BLA with SEV and either you support me into Bulgaria or I support you into Bulgaria? It sounds like you're trying to get me out of position and slow Turkey down while you work with him.",
"I’m not meaning to push you out of position. Turkey built F Smy and is probably going to hit Greece and move his armies up behind him. If he does that, he’ll have to either rush losing Ank or cede control of Black. I’m hoping to have a more certain lay of the land after spring and expect to be in a place where I can help take down Turkey. If I attack Turkey now, I’ll lose what little advantage I have over turkey. I’m not putting my foot down and saying I’m committed to the orders I suggested. If you are totally opposed to my order suggestion, we can keep talking.",
"If the Italians scare me, I don’t want to worry about you or Turkey. If the Italians keep their word, I’ll be fighting Turkey, not you. That’s why I want you to shift East",
"Ok. Explain to me why you're in the Ionian and not in Greece?",
"I'm just very confused why you would go there instead of Greece - I understand the need to self-bounce in Budapest, but the move to Ionian confuses me.",
"There are two reasons for Austria to have a fleet in the Ionian in Spring 1902. The first is for Austria to attack Italy. The second is to make it seem like Austria is attacking Italy when really the target is in either France or Turkey. I didn’t go for Greece because Turkey said he wasn’t going to go for it last year and leaving it open bought me some good will. Also, I wasn’t sure if you and Italy were going to screw me, so I tried to avoid upsetting any of you. Regardless of if you believe me, Turkey’s Armenian flank is exposed and I’m not in a position to attack you because I built in Trie and Hungary / Bud is unoccupied.",
"Also, I didn’t move into Gal at the start of the game, like I promised and took you at your word when you said you moved into Gal because of bad intel.",
"alright. well, I think you've put yourself way out of position. Turkey has asked me to support his attack on Serbia, and I'm going to, so if Italy taps you in Trieste and Turkey is telling me the truth, you'll lose it. Let's be honest with ourselves, if both Italy AND Turkey want to attack Austria, Russia is pretty much always going to join in. Maybe Turkey is lying to me and is going to work with you to force Rumania or something. I doubt it though. I wish you the best of luck and i'm sorry if things turn out super bad for you. In the future, if you ever get the idea to do anything with your fleet other than use it to take greece - you need to crush that good idea fairy quickly. Turning it into an extra army through a build is super, super important.",
"I wish you had defended against the attack I described to you. Unfortunately, you didn't. Any suggestions ? You're about to go down a unit.",
"You can switch sides and hit Bul instead of me? Italy has access to Smyrna and the Turkish right flank is still open. A Rum - Bul, F Sev - Arm, A Gal - Ukr, a War - Ukr? You can pick up Bul and Ank before anyone else is able to mess around.",
"You’ll also be able to build another southern fleet if you wanted to",
"I mean, this would work a lot better if you had held Serbia.",
"Why didn't you support yourself to hold?",
"Because you telling me you’re going to hit a certain territory only lets me know I need to defend something, and not what territory in particular, so I turtled.",
"I suppose I could have been trying to slip into GAL and BUD while getting you to just order mutual support orders ... but I prefer to order supports to moves I know will go through. I guess I projected that onto you instead of putting myself in your - understandably - paranoid shoes.",
"I’ve trusted you before but trusting you and Italy at the same time was more than I could do. I tried to signal the blue water Lepanto without outright telling you. Do you have any suggestions?",
"Next time, don't do a blue water lepanto. I played face-to-face on Sunday as Russia and Austria and Italy tried to do a blue water lepanto. I probably could have soloed, but I didn't build a fleet sev.",
"Now, a suggestion more specific to this game? Let me look at the board.",
"It was that or die in year one. Italy opened asking for a key. I’ve never worked well in an Austro-Turkish alliance and the rest almost pushed me to a hedgehog. I did what I could.",
"Ok, that's a tough situation.",
"And then the asshole in Russia opens to Galicia. It's enough to drive a man to drink.",
"I had a bit of tequila tonight...",
"Ok, here's a thought - what if you support me into Serbia, I move my fleet SEV-RUM, and then build a second southern fleet. In the next year, I crush into Bulgaria, you backfill Serbia and take Greece - rebuilding all the way.",
"I know it's not ideal for you, but ... you did the blue water lepanto, why not try this?",
"Yeah, I’ll take a fleet in Rum all day.",
"Where do Gal and War go?",
"West?",
"Or I could support myself to hold.",
"you probably can't afford me lying to you on this one and then doing something with the units that leaves another center exposed..",
"I’m losing a center, I’d prefer Gal cleared. If you have to eat Germany then fine. England is off balance if they plan on working with France instead of bottling up in Nth, and that alliance has to fall apart.",
"I have GAL-BOH ordered.",
"Is war going Sil or back filling Ukr or something? I know you could just lie, but I still feel like it’d be negligent for me to not ask.",
"Actually, I could lie to you. But I have given it some thought. I think you genuinely want to work with me. and I actually want to work with you (not a big fan of Turkey making so many gains!). I will move WAR-SIL as well.",
"I’m pretty sure Turkey is covering Smyrna (and I’m pretty sure you’re convoying Apulia to Syria",
"You going to keep your southern fleet or give up on the med?",
"I’m weighing the f sev build because I don’t know if we need two fleets back there. Thoughts?",
"You coordinated the shift to Serb & Greece with turkey and didn’t need my support. If you don’t build it, I’ll assume your 1902 dealing was in bad faith.",
"Ok. I see your point. But I cleared Galicia.",
"I’m asking if you really think that we need two Russian fleets.",
"And, well ... you know what? Yes. Yes we do. Because that’s what it will take for us to have peace. (I ask the right to revisit this pending Germany’s retreat order).",
"You can’t clear the Black Sea without a second fleet. You have two armies on Germany’s border, but if we have to revisit it after the retreat, then that’s what we have to do.",
"You know, with Italy SO far out of position, you could just run in on him. And yeah, I'll build the second fleet. if anything, it will give you and I three fleets in the Med, which will be useful for after you take on Italy. Which is going to happen at some point, right? Otherwise, I'm not really sure where you'd go.",
"Obviously, we need to resolve what's going on in the Balkans, etc. But, I find it useful and beneficial to discuss the long term picture with allies. And, after my moves and the build I'm about to make, I'd like you to consider me an ally - or at least a potential one. What are your impressions of Italy - is he a straight shooter with middle management written all over him? Do you think you can trust him or work with him after Turkey is cracked?",
"I had to build up North, unfortunately. I still think I can slip into the Black Sea. He’s going to be focused on the south, I’m pretty sure.",
"Was the bounce in Vienna prearranged?",
"It doesn’t look like it was, with the fleet move to Adriatic.",
"The bounce was prearranged",
"For what it’s worth, Italy told me that he was going to attack you this past turn.",
"But, with respect to our border, let’s take BUL and Greece off of Turkey this turn.",
"Not sure what we’re doing together.",
"I will (waste) a turn and order defensive moves.",
"Do you have any interest in improving your position and/or playing Diplomacy? I'd like to work with you, but you're making it extremely difficult by ignoring my messages and not making any suggestions.",
"I would like to head south. If you could head in a direction that isn't warsaw, I think that we could work together. Are you still tied to working with Italy or are you open to another path?",
"So... care to work together? I could use some help to keep Germany out of Warsaw.",
"I can’t support you against the Germans directly, but I can help against Turkey and stay out of Sev, freeing up another unit?",
"I don't understand why you can't help against Germany. If it's a \"I want to work with him\" thing, he will head after you once he's done with me. If it's a \"I've got something else for UKR to do ... \" then you're lying to me.",
"That’s really frustrating what Italy just did to you. It’s too bad that you’ continued to work with him instead of helping me defend against Germany.",
"Now, I can’t hold anything north of STP. That is, until France attacks him.",
"I mean north of Sev.",
"Are you able to work with me against Turkey?",
"Because I’d like to assume you’re done working with Italy.",
"Would you like to try to work together here? I haven't attacked you the entire game. I've been asking you for help. You've also only replied to one message from me in the past month.",
"I'd be willing to offer you support into Warsaw.",
"Ok. If we don’t all work together, France our Germany will win.",
"How are you going to bury the hatchet with turkey?",
"I don't see why that's necessary.",
"Also, because you let Germany take Warsaw, they're already past the stalemate line. There's really nothing we can do to stop them.",
"What we need is for one of them to turn on the other and try to get a solo. But, me and Turkey patching things up is really inconsequential to the whole thing. Especially since he disbanded a fleet.",
"My game was ruined the moment I didn't guarantee Berlin for myself and instead counted on England to accept my support into Kiel. And then England TOTALLY fucked my game up. Italy going after Sevastopol instead of Turkish or Austrian dots didn't help either, and neither did you galavanting into fucking Ukraine for no good reason.",
"I can't fucking believe people are getting paid to play in this game as a study on communication, and no body is fucking communicating. Total shit show, but that's what you get when you recruit randoms off of reddit.",
"Anyway, this has basically turned into a game of gunboat, with you going weeks between replying to my messages, Italy never responding, Germany never responding, Turkey never responding, and England never responding.",
"And I fully expect to hear back from you sometime after Thanksgiving, based on your track record. And, you'll probably fucking lie to me again and screw your own position up even more in the process - since that seems to be your preferred style of play this game.",
"The game has been rocky for everyone. I stopped responding to you on purpose at the start and then shifted into a screw out after Italy didn’t do anything for three turns",
"So, what are you doing with Ukraine? Right now I have Moscow supporting it to Warsaw, let me know please.",
"I'm also supporting myself into Bulgaria, I suggest you use Bulgaria to take Greece. Or cover Budapest. Your call. I'd like to finish off Turkey in this go around if you please.",
"So, to wrap things up ... I've offered you support into Warsaw and asked you to work with me against Turkey ... and your response has been that we need to start working together. But, you haven't indicated in any way shape or form what you plan on doing or what you'd like to do together. So, basically ... I'm in the same god damned situation with respect to trying to work with you, in which I've proposed things we can do together, asked for your help or feedback, and received nothing but silence in a game where you are getting PAID TO TALK. What the actual @!#%, man?",
"I have to hit Gal because of Germany. I can not move into War from Ukr because of the retreat order. Moving from A Rum - Bul shift your units further out of the German front and will speed the collapse.\nI propose\n\nF Black - Rum\nA Rum - Ukr\nA Ukr - Gal\nA Mos - War",
"I'm not comfortable leaving the black sea and I'm appalled that you would suggest it. You are continuing to demonstrate no interest in actually working with me.",
"I will, however, not attack Bulgaria and move to Rumania Ukraine, as you've requested/suggested.",
"*Rumania to Ukraine.",
"Ok. Works for me.",
"what are you doing with Bulgaria?",
"It isn’t moving.",
"ok ....",
"If Turkey moves Greece out, then I’ll move it. I’m trying to move towards the front",
"is it supporting yourself into Greece? Is it suppourting CON to hold?",
"what front?",
"GErmany is already past the stalemate line.",
"you can't actually slow him down.",
"Are you formally included in the Franco German alliance? If not, then that’s a front. He’s about to move units into position to take Mos",
"FRance is already past the stalemate line. you can't actually slow him down either. What we need to so, in order to survive this game, is to consolidate and defend what we can.",
"If I can get another build, and you can get another build, then we can actually slow Germany down. My build would come from CON and yours would come from Greece. Can your unit in Bulgaria support me from BLA-CON?",
"I still don't think we can stop him, but we can slow him down and maybe get France to attack him. THEN the game opens wide",
"And ... I forgot to click submit on my orders update. 😞",
"But. You supported con to hold. Fuck you, bro. I’ll throw the solo to Germany if I can.",
"Cool",
"Oh, ha! There's only one game year left. None of this shit actually matters.",
"We get paid either way and I think the gm said something about a minimum of five centers because of the chat snafu.",
"I mean, I'm a little pissed off that you've lied to me since 1902, but ... 🤷♂️",
"minimum of five centers?",
"Mostly just ghosted you. Everything through 1902 was being “sharp “ with my promises.",
"No idea what sharp means. And no idea why you felt is was appropriate to \"ghost\" someone in a game where you are being paid to communicate with other players.",
"I'm thoroughly unimpressed by a lot of the play in this game, and even more so in the quality of communication.",
"Think of sharp conduct as a technically correct, malicious compliance type behavior. Legal, but pushing the boundary towards fraud.\n\nNot responding to something is often a good tactic. If you can’t say anything nice at all then don’t say anything at all. If answering a question or asserting a position is disadvantages to being uncommitted and silent, then be silent.",
"Oh, I totally understand the value in the cold shoulder. But you accepted $40 to play in a game of Diplomacy that would evaluate the honesty of your correspondence.",
"in order to keep moscow, what is your suggestion?",
"What a clod you are. How in blue fuck does keeping Turkey in the game benefit you in the least."
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"Hello there! I realize we may not have a ton to talk about but I’m curious about your opinion of the game in general. Also maybe what you think is going on with Italy and Russia.",
"I have an opinion on that topic, having received press from both, but I’m curious about why you’d ask?",
"Wanted to know if russia will be playing the north at all. Obviously you can keep things to yourself if you wish",
"I don’t have any information on the north, but depending on what you’ve heard about the Italians, I might be able to make some informed guesses about the north’s fate, which I could/would share with you in exchange for that info.",
"Italy didn’t give me anything to be honest with you but he may in the future. I’d be interested in an exchange but don’t want to lie to you and give false info. I’ll let you know if I learn something.",
"Thank you. I’ll let you know if I hear anything about the north",
"Silence from Turkey, Russia is aggressive, and Italy is still a mystery. Those three things make me think juggernaut. What are your thoughts?",
"Italy seems to be playing it slow or not sharing their thoughts, either way a smart way to play Italy since it’s a little weaker. Turkey is silent on my end as well but there is a lot of time for that. How is russia being aggressive? I have heard an aggressive message from him and have also been leaked an aggressive message that he sent to Germany (allegedly)",
"Strongly declared an intention to march into Galicia. I think the hedgehog is the most popular Austrian opening, so I don’t know why Russia would make that obvious play. I hope Italy isn’t trying to navigate a juggernaut by hitting me. That’s a sure fire way for Italy to lose. I collapse, Turkey gets a navy, France gets bored and pushes the med to stop turkey, and Italy gets trapped in the middle.",
"Seems like kind of a dummy. He told you all of this?",
"Yes",
"So he has told me that he wants to march on Germany. He told germany he wants to push the north against me. Seems like a wildcard",
"Hey, sorry about this. I misread his press about Gal. He prefers not to bounce there. I feel like an idiot and am going to blame using discord instead of backstabbr.\nI could have kept that to myself and profited, but I didn’t because I value your info.",
"Hahaha okay I appreciate the transparency. Hopefully he doesn’t come for me in the north",
"I’ve heard that France is thinking of forcing Bur. Is that true? I would much prefer that didn’t happen. If it is so, is there anything you can do to stop it?",
"Yeah, France confirmed that it is true. That means he’s probably committed to moving F Bre - MAO, and that you could take the channel. At a minimum, you can use the channel as leverage for Bel.",
"Yes I have heard that he is forcing Bur, why’re you worried about France though? I’m not sure if I will enter the channel",
"I’m worried about Germany and I’m worried about Russia.",
"Well we will see what happens",
"Regarding Germany and Russia:\nFrance getting 3 centers in 1901 and building that many fleets means it’ll be hard for you to work with him in the long-term. Also, Russia is planning on moving into the Carpathians and Hungary, and Turkey‘s build, in my opinion, can only mean that Turkey is not concerned with Russia, because Turkey’s right flank is now completely exposed.\nIf you can provide token assistance to Germany and hold Irish and the channel, then you can probably convoy to the north and push on Russia up there while most of Russia’s units fight with me. I think this is in our best interests because France dominating the seas isn’t compatible with England in the long run, and a Turkey Russia alliance is quite difficult to stop.",
"I don’t want to go against russia right now, I think me doing so is merely in your best interest",
"OK. If a Juggernaut does indeed unfold, your support would be appreciated. I wish you luck with the French fleet.",
"Of course, if they seem to be a massive threat then I will respond",
"France is moving fleets around Spain and getting in position to stab. Russia is also going to hit Germany from the east. If you keep attacking Germany’s north, you’ll gain Denmark and lose Yor etc. I’m bringing this up because I have an interest in Germany living, but at this point, so do you.",
"Yeah I see what France is doing",
"Do you also see what I mean about the juggernaut? It is happening and they are set to reach the stalemate before you all can even get close to resolving the west",
"Yes but there isn’t anything I can do, germany is too irrational to side with me after I initially sided with France against him. If he were to agree to a truce then it would be different",
"I hate not being able to conference chat.\n\nYou and Germany are about to be eaten by France and Russia. Have you considered coordinating moves in BalS or Bel?",
"Germany and I figured some stuff out, he’s pissing me off though because he’s scared to stab France, still working on that."
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"Hey turkey. I’m just saying hi and wondering what your thoughts are on Rum and Gre? Serb is traditionally Austrian territory and Bul goes to Turkey. I’m just wondering how the Russian situation is going to shake out. Also, would you be open to sharing information you hear about me with me in exchange for Russian intel?",
"Hi, I am willing to work with you, at least in the intel sharing part. I would be happy if we split Rum and Gre in a way that steers us away from each other.",
"I can’t speak to the split now, but if we do split it me Gre you Rum, I propose that you only put Fleets in Rum and I only put armies in Greece. If you’d rather I put a fleet in that’s OK too",
"That is reasonable but then that would mean you and Italy fight while it is me against Russia. What about a reverse? I get Gre? Would that work for you at all?",
"Why does being in Greece commit me to the Italian front? Galicia is crucial to taking Russia.",
"Because what will italy do in that case? He is the eastern power and he will definitely be looking for greece for himself. Also if you take greece and then commit to fight russia, ehat do i get from that? You got easy greece for you while I have to fight for everything. Hopefully you understand my point here.",
"That’s fair. It’ll also make more sense for me to not mess around in Greece and build an army while you focus navy. If we structure our build types well, we can keep the relationship fairly balanced. I think I might be able to sneak some Italian gains early on and am considering moving that direction if Russia stays out of Gal in 1901. If it works, you won’t have to worry about a Lepanto.",
"Okay, how this might go then if Russia enters Galicia? That could be a trouble for you and trouble for me",
"I don’t think that’s going to happen. If it does, I’ll be able to survive long enough for England, you, or Germany to distract him. You could always open to Armenia?",
"I’m moving my fleet to Alb not for Greece but for Italy. Just a heads up",
"Russia has indicated that he is not going to move F Sev - Rum. Just letting a friend know so that you can bounce him.",
"Okay I will go for Rum, but he is probably going to support himself there, so I reckon Galicia is safe.",
"You’re not going to take Greece this turn?",
"Well, you are already locked into fight with Russia....",
"I will go for greece",
"Not going to try for Rum?",
"No, you are already involved with Russia.",
"Do you want support into rum",
"Wow, you really think I would fall for that?",
"I am genuinely surprised by your support to Serbia. Do you care to explain or anything?",
"Russia asked for it",
"And you simply accepted? It is unusual",
"He put a fleet in Rum and cleared Gal, which makes Bud fairly safe.",
"But he and italy both moved towards vienna, they could be working to take you out",
"Could be. If that’s the case, I’m dead anyway.",
"Looks you're alive",
"Are you ready to work together against italy and russia?",
"Seriously, both of us are getting screwed by our \"allies\". Former allies. Why do you continue to fight me?",
"Yeah, ok",
"You can convoy out of Greece. I won’t touch it.",
"I’ll support Con to hold?",
"Hey, Russia is throwing a fit and is going to try and force me out of Bul. Can you do anything to help?",
"You can cut his support from ukr",
"I have to hit Gal because of Germany",
"Can you support Bul?",
"He says he won’t hit Bul, so you can convoy Gre elsewhere if you want.",
"I think Germany will focus on moscow",
"How are your standings with italy"
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"Hallo there Austria 😄",
"Hey. Would you mind asking Germany to bounce in Bur? I want him to have an army in Mun to scare off the Italians, and if he’s going to be stuck in Mun bouncing Bur he might as well guarantee Tyrolia.",
"Sure thing I can ask him, but given that you two should be best friends I don't see why it would hurt for you to ask him too",
"I did ask him. Just trying to ensure I’m protected from Italy. I’m a very nervous Austria player.",
"Trust in your diplomacy skills 😄",
"I’ve heard that you plan to force Bur.",
"Yes, but I do not intend to attack Germany with it. If I'm telling the truth about forcing Bur I'm telling the truth about not attacking him.",
"That sets you off balance if Italy moves F Nap - TyrS or to Pie",
"Well yes that would suck quite a bit. We all know how long the battle for the Southern Med takes however, I guess we'll see if the Pope is into that.",
"The F Nap - TyrS opening is rare, but checks in Pie are not. Even if he doesn’t hit Mar, he could let Bur move into it, removing the ability for you to build a fleet there.",
"What do you want me to do instead? Is Italy coming towards me this Spring?",
"I don’t know what Italy is doing.",
"Well what should I do then. Are you just worried about your ally Germany?",
"I’m worried about a lot of stuff not in the western triangle. You all seem much more rational than Turkey, Russia, and Italy. A juggernaut is a possibility as is an opening to sil. Across the board, I’m pushing for predictable play in 1901 so that I can make an informed decision about who to work with. If everyone goes with openings that are used < 20% of the time, then, especially as Austria, I’m screwed.",
"Just hedgehog and see what happens. Can't really do much as Austria unfortunately.",
"Are you with Italy or against Italy? Having a fleet in the ION is pretty useful regardless 😄",
"I’m not sure yet. Lots to think about.",
"Agreed haha",
"The juggernaut is happening",
"You want a piece of Venice? 😉",
"I heard its lovely in the Fall",
"Italy screwed up with too many missed turns. I’m going to get the hammer dropped on me if I don’t start playing ball with you."
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"Hi there! I always feel like it’s important for russia and england to have a good relationship. I have played too many games where they get in an unnecessary fight that never really helps either one in the long run.",
"Do you want to go after Germany? How agressive do you want to be? Any suggestions? I'm open to an early attack on Germany.",
"I’m always cautious about going in with Russia on Germany, it’s not an ideal opening for them which makes me cautious. Are your relations with Austria and turkey good enough that you can do that?",
"Not sure! i actually haven't heard anything from Turkey yet.",
"So your plan is to move on germany? Or was that just a proposal? And neither have I",
"No, I said I'm open to moving against Germany. You said that you didn't want to fight each other in the North and that we should have a good relationship. If you were going to move against Germany early, I was letting you know that I would join with you.",
"Makes a lot more sense. I would ask what you think about the south but you haven’t even heard from Turkey yet.",
"I think I'm going to have to commit most of my forces to the South. Perhaps our best way to partner is to agree to work with each other in principle, if anything to keep Germany from growing in the North.",
"That sounds perfect to me and makes a lot more sense. We can always look to be more involved in the future",
"Good. 😊 have you heard anything from Germany with respect to his feelings towards Russia? Do you think he’ll bounce me in Sweden?",
"I haven’t asked him, we have been talking though.",
"No need, just curious",
"Pretty standard openings. Burgundy was a tad aggressive, though. Thoughts?",
"Didn’t seem like there was anything crazy, I agree that Bur was a little aggressive, especially with the support. I’m going to try and monitor that situation",
"Germany just commented to me that he is “in position” to bounce you in Sweden. If he plans to do so would you be interested in messing with him?",
"Sure! What do you have in mind?",
"What do you think about you letting him get into Swe, you go into Bal, and I take Den. You would get bounced from Sweden anyways and this gives us good position on him later. And I would obviously get you Sweden in the future.",
"Do you think he’s bouncing me? If he’s going to, I’d be interested in those moves.",
"Yes he has confirmed to me that he is",
"I see you built a fleet in London. Do you have any concerns about a France that is getting so big? When I get three builds as France, I prefer to waive one or two of them, but that's my personal preference. Let me know if you think you'll need an extra build to keep him at bay - I'm not averse to loaning people centers if it's to keep someone from running away with the game.\n\nI assume you're planning on attacking Germany. Clearly, I should have trusted you about Sweden - but I heard what I wanted to hear from Germany and believed the wrong person. Lying is not something you can recover from easily in this game.",
"If you do want to go after Germany, I would like Sweden. And, obviously, would prefer if you didn't slip into STP while it is undefended.",
"(and, obviously, I would be willing to help out from the back side - maybe we get you into Denmark this Fall?",
"Yeah I am not going to go into StP, my moves will help you trust that. I understand not trusting me last round, that’s why I didn’t go through with it since you didn’t give a hard confirmation. I would love support this fall but like you said I will be mobilizing this spring.",
"How is your situation in the south? Any thoughts on austria and Turkey?",
"They are my neighbors and we’ll probably be squabbling over supply centers before too long.",
"I would like SKAG to be the mover. Can we do that?",
"What's with France moving to the Channel?",
"I think you have an FG coming your way. But you have my help. I won't go into any of your centers unless you invite me in. This is partly selfish, because I know that as soon as Germany and France are finished with you, Germany is headed my way.",
"Ok. I’m meeting someone for dinner but will check this before adjudication. Right now I’m supporting Skag to Denmark. If I was France and anti-English, I’d convoy Gascony to Wales.",
"Yes I can send SKA to Den, the rest of my units will prep for a French stab",
"That worked out well. France’s fleets will be annoying but you don’t have to disband.",
"Yeah I trust you won’t take Nwy?",
"Correct. I’m not going to cripple you.",
"can you support SWE-BAL from DEN?",
"Yes",
"ordered. I might regret the second fleet up there, but - if things don't work out for you against France, it might come in handy for you/us.",
"Yeah I need to figure out that whole situation",
"To guarantee Berlin, I need Kiel cut. I’m planning on ordering BAL- KIE. If Denmark were to support it, it could possibly go.",
"North Sea to Holland would guarantee itt, but you might have other plans for that unit.",
"I can cut Kiel, have you talked with France at all?",
"Haven’t. I’ll support you into Kiel.",
"Why? Why would you lie about cutting kiel?",
"I was even supporting you in. you could have gotten a build.",
"I'm really pissed off, because I could have easily cut Kiel myself and guaranteed my staying even. Instead, you lied to me and fucked me. When you've got French fleets off of Liverpool, I don't understand why you'd do that, but fuck you bro.",
"And don't give me the bullshit \"I said I \"can\" cut Kiel\" means anything other than I'll move on Kiel. Not only did you not move on Kiel, you tried to take Sweden off of me. What are you thinking? You think a two fleet Germany is going to be your long-term friend? We could have had him down to two fucking centers with you getting a build. And you went for Sweden?!? What the fuck were you thinking? Seriously, I want to know, so that I can understand why you would waste my time like this.",
"Okay first off, relax. Betrayal is part of this game. You were looking really strong, and I couldn’t just allow you to take over germany because then I would be sandwiched between you and France without really getting builds myself. And before you say you would have let me have some German SC’s, I can’t trust you on that. I need germany on my side of I’m going to get France off my back, and honestly I don’t know why I feel like I need to explain anything to you. England Russia alliances never work well for England, and I need an ally in the west. Since France is intent on attacking me I need germany.",
"I was getting you into Kiel. You made a bad decision, you ruined my game, and you can go fuck yourself.",
"Will do, good luck with the rest of your game",
"Thanks! Hope you have a great rest of your game too.",
"I’m still frustrated that you fucked me over and totally played yourself out of the game."
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"I would prefer to bounce in the Black sea, unless you're interested in doing something like blowing up my fleet.",
"I am interested in both, but for sake of any alliance I'd go for a bounce.",
"I agree, that's probably for the best. let's see what our neighbors do in '01, perhaps it will open up some opportunities.",
"Yes of course. The smartest move is that. But I would like to work with you the most because AT alliance won't work past 1903 and IT is just a wild card for me. I am not saying we should do Juggernaut but maybe Juggernaut Lite, sort of.",
"Jug light it is!",
"Good morning! I’d prefer not to bounce again, but want to know what you’re thinking.",
"I plan on sending UKR—RUM and would appreciate your support. We should be able to get you a dot or two next year (Bul and/or Gre)",
"I already have Bul, could you support yourself in Rum?",
"I meant Serbia.",
"I can and will. What are your thoughts on the Black Sea?",
"If I don't move there it could be obvious to others we are allied. But combined with my attack on Rum it could assure others we are indeed fighting.",
"Do you still think we need to mask a partnership? In my experience, playing it cute doesn’t really mask anything and runs the risk of ceding momentum. If you’re going to attack Rumania then I have to move Gal to guarantee it and now I’m not in Gal anymore and we don’t have position on Austria.",
"I think Austria could be very surprised by my stab, and you could let me in Bla if you trust me",
"If Austria would be surprised by it, what’s the point? What is it accomplishing? It doesn’t put you or us in position to attack him and seems like a total waste of time.",
"Hi! Haven’t had a response to this message?",
"If he gets to trust me it could lower his guard a bit",
"Ok. We’ll do it your way!",
"I am still taking to him trying to sniff out info",
"Do you think Austria and Italy are doing a blue water lepanto? I think if assistance into Rumania was promised, you were lied to. I’d like you to build in the south and move your fleet towards the people who are lying to you. I’m willing to support you into Serbia, if you’d like.",
"No, i wasnt promised rum at all. I have been honest to you, but yes it could be they are working together. Serbia sounds Juggernaut-ish and it is fine with me.",
"Oh. Well. I’d prefer to be in Galicia, but that’s not how things turned out. At least you’re not in Armenia or someplace unrecoverable. Rumania will support Bulgaria to Serbia.",
"Ok, I will use Bla to support con to bul",
"I would prefer it if you moved BLA-CON. Would you mind doing that? I will not move SEV.",
"I can see how you’d be concerned about Rumania and Serbia teaming up on Bulgaria. Because I haven’t discussed this set of moves with Austria, I didn’t consider it a threat you needed to protect against. I’m not trying to set you up, but I understand if you feel the need to protect your gains. Please also understand that I’d like to avoid THREE Turkish units surrounding Rumania.",
"Also, please bear in mind that had we dispensed with the cloak and dagger of your move on Rumania and just went at Austria, you’d be at 5 and I’d be in Galicia.",
"I would like to think that I have demonstrated my trustworthiness to you. I have made a concerted effort to tell you the truth at every juncture. (I hope you've been giving me the thumbs up! 🙂 ) Anyway, how do you want to proceed? I don't think you want Italy getting Greece. How about you take it with Serbia and I try to slip in to Serbia behind you? That way we both gain. You can have Serbia long term, I figure I'll take the rest of Austria, help you crack Italy, and then move more north while you pour into the med. If you need a center here or there to stay even, we can do that.",
"I would rather support you in Budapest if that works for you. I am unsure about my fleet, should I defend Smy or take Gre, tgey could go with safer option of convoying to syr",
"Personally, I think they’ll convoy to Syria ... but that’s a big one to be wrong about.",
"Here’s the thing, you supporting me into Budapest won’t work. He’ll triple support it and it will bounce. If you support yourself to Greece, it’s guaranteed to work. And then I’ll probably pick up Serbia.",
"I’d really like to continue working with you, but we should both gain from our partnership - not only you gain. I think that’s fair, do you see it differently?",
"Okay, after a bit of thought, i could do that if i get ser later",
"100% yes.",
"I will attack north with it and you can backfill, no problem. Either Austria will disband his fleet and you’ll be in the catbird seat in the Med or he’ll disband an army and he won’t be able to stop you walking into Serbia.",
"That worked out well. Of course, you were right about your suggestions. I did not predict that Austria would move so dangerously after turtling up last turn.",
"Ok. I asked Austria for support into Serbia (figured he’d assume I was going anywhere BUT Serbia). I’m more than a little surprised by his moves. His disband will be very telling.",
"I am very surprised and concerned about his moves. I will definitely have to check those out.",
"Why did you move to Black Sea?",
"Since we didn’t bounce, clearly a mistake on my part. I misinterpreted your silence incorrectly.",
"Okay, you will fall back now",
"Think we can get Austria to do something about Italy?",
"Hardly, we can try and hope for the best",
"i mean ... I know he's only in my dots, but ... eventually he's got to go somewhere. And it's super bad for you. Would you mind helping me out a little bit?",
"I am, what do you want me to do?",
"eventually help me get back Rumania. But I will order SEV to do whatever you want.",
"Let's roll these guys. Austria is out of position, Italy is pulling two. It'll be a late start, but we can definitely Juggernaut.",
"I'll admit, waiving that build was a bold strategy. But, I can dig it. Let's work together."
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"Hallo there my dearest Tsar! Still figuring this messaging system out haha",
"France, what's up my friend? Do I have anything to worry about from my neighbors? Would you tell me if I did?",
"Of course I would, and I haven't heard anything yet. I may have heard some plan involving taking out England early? Unsure 😉",
"I suppose you really wanted to be in burgundy! What’s next? Would you like assistance?",
"Assistance would be nice, depends what form it comes in though 😄",
"Nicely done. Do you plan on helping England against Germany? If you'd like, the three of us could take down Germany together, and then you and I team up on England. What are your thoughts on this general strategy? If you agree, we can figure out the specific tactics as we go along.",
"I’m up for it, although curious about who takes what and how we’ll go about it. Would love to hear you and England’s thoughts!",
"Didn’t England bounce him in Holland?",
"Yes I believe so",
"So, I’d say he’s anti-Germany.",
"Yes I wasn't questioning that",
"Ok.",
"Are you ... are you shifting towards England?",
"Trying to get Germany’s allegiance, don’t worry I moved to Bur for a reason",
"Would you like to coordinate on Munich?",
"And, if you could suggest to Germany that he retreats to North Sea, he could help you against England.",
"Not sure what was the last message that went through to you.",
"Oh man ... you've got a germany problem and your fleets are headed the wrong way.",
"i got an AI problem 🤷",
"you just took another unit off of him.",
"You should be working with Austria against Germany, in my opinion.",
"Then what about Italy?",
"he'll die on the vine. he either keeps his army out East and disbands a unit defending his homeland or he disbands the unit in the East... and loses another dot.",
"Idunno man I’m trying to help Turkey too but you made it a lot more difficult haha",
"Turkey can't help against Germany, tho.",
"Turkey can’t stab me like Italy can tho",
"Italy will inevitably start to swing west if the Austrian alliance holds",
"right. where do you think I want to go? Obviously west - into Germany and Austria.",
"let's see what Italy disbands.",
"it would be lovely if you headed at Germany. he's most likely going to send two armies at Warsaw, so he's going to keep building. But, you can just walk into NTH and/or NWG Sea and just hammer him.",
"Are you freeing Germany up to attack me? Or do you have any interest in “rounding the horn” into Munich, now that you’re past Switzerland?"
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"Hi there! What’re your thoughts on the board to start? I realize we don’t have any negotiations to make but I always like to get to know what people are thinking",
"Hello! As a corner buddies, I am certain we will work sometime in the future, perhaps to establish a stalemate line.",
"Just so you know I have heard that russia is planning on moving south, not sure if that is on you or on austria",
"Well, nothing unusual there. To be honest here Germany is saying me quite opposite of what you have said. It is guessing game now.",
"Yeah I have been getting some vibes that russia is not telling a lot of truths so we will see",
"How not? He did move south.",
"You are attacking the wrong target, russia and france will overrun everyone on the mainland",
"Germany refuses to truce with me, not much I can do.",
"Why would he decline truce, he said otherwise to me",
"He just told me that it is too late to side with me and that I should basically suicide attack Russia so that he doesn’t die.",
"And you two couldn't agree on anything?",
"We are talking more, next step is getting France off my back so I can actually use my navy."
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"Hello there England! Pleasure to meet you 😄",
"You as well! I’d be interested in creating a DMZ in the English Channel, how about you?",
"I would too, and I hope you are telling the truth too!",
"Of course, in all honesty I have two fleets so I could force my way in anyways. I don’t want to do that though. What about Hol? Bel is obviously yours",
"I wouldn't say obviously but I certainly wouldn't mind getting Bel and helping you into Hol if that were the case",
"Obviously that would be great, germany would have to be on board though or else we would be making an enemy.",
"By the way I am going to be asking Italy and Germany about what they think about you, I will let you know what they say.",
"Sounds good, although I would expect Germany to expect Hol is his which might cause some conflicts.",
"I'll ask around and do the same for you!",
"Appreciated!",
"Have you reached out with germany tomorrow?",
"*yet",
"I haven't yet, but I'll message him soon",
"Have you heard anything?",
"Germany would prefer to ally with me, I’m not interested in that though. Have you talked to him yet?",
"Yes I've talked with him and told him that I'd move into Bur. He offered an FG alliance to me as well, which makes me doubt his geniuneness",
"Of course, good thing we can just take him out",
"I’m playing friendly with Germany as long as I can, should help us get some info or an easy capture",
"Sounds good to me",
"What areyour thoughts for this season?",
"He’s worried about you going to Munich, how do you want to play that. I say that I leak to him that you are going there and then you don’t actually, it could let you get into Ruh and also keep him from building there",
"I would love to move on Germany with you, however moving alone into Ruh would be overextending quite a bit",
"What would you look for me to do to make you feel better about it",
"Bounce Hol maybe?",
"If you're gonna get him to cover Mun",
"My other thought, and give me your opinion on this, is this. He told me he might bounce russia in Sweden. If I can confirm that and get russia to move into Bal instead, then Germany would be stuck in Sweden and i could sneak an army into Denmark. Germany would end up getting two builds but we would be in good position and Russia would then be involved",
"Hehe that sounds tricky but exciting. Unfortunately I won't have a big part to play at least this Fall, but if you can pull it off with Russia I don't see why I wouldn't help you guys.",
"You would be in a good position though, and have your two builds as well. I still have not gotten a 100% on the bounce attempt or heard back from Russia that he likes the idea. Because it does take some trust from Russia.",
"The low risk play is to just bounce in Hol",
"I just realized that if you go Ruh you can’t get Bel because of the way you opened I apologize for asking that of you. What are your thoughts on that?",
"If you're going to bounce Hol I can either save Bel for later and move Ruh, or take it and be able to build A Bre/A Par for Germany and F Mar for defense against Italy. Not too sure what I'd do, do you have any thoughts?",
"I would love if you moved into Ruh since it would apply some pressure, Germany told me they would be moving into Mun to cover it because it’s too risky not to",
"Sounds good, let me know if you can get the BAL/Den situation figured out",
"Yeah if that won’t work we can play more cautious.",
"F Lon eh, understandable. How to proceed from here?",
"Not sure, obviously your fleets make me nervous but how do you want to go after germany?",
"I can support Lvp into Hol maybe but a bit worried about where Lon would go",
"I will just reposition my fleets this round, Lon will be headed to NTH and I will surround Denmark with the other 2",
"I see us supporting each other more in the fall",
"That sounds good to me, I'll probably make an advance on Bur then",
"Apologies for the fleet in ENG, needed to go somewhere and now Germany trusts me",
"I'll pull out and let you know what he's going to do this season",
"Was going to ask about that, so I can trust that you won’t take Lon?",
"I hope you can, but if you need to defend it I don't blame you",
"Do you plan on bringing Yor to Den?",
"If not, you could cover Lon with it for peace of mind",
"Germany's told me that he'll just support his centers. I can cut Ruh and support Yor-Hol if NTH isn't busy, otherwise I might aim for a cheap shot in Mun",
"Yeah I’ll take the support, thank you!",
"How bout them Russians",
"What about them?",
"Any chance that you realize your stab failed and that you’re gonna back off?"
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"Hallo there my dearest Sultan! A pleasure to meet you 😄",
"Hello monsieur President. Greater pleasure would be to work together.",
"I would love for that too. How do things in the east seem to be developing?",
"They're going slowly but steady, soon steamy. And what about the western part?",
"The battle for Belgium will be interesting for sure 😅",
"Just a head up here, Austria wants food relations with me currently but wants me to have Rum. I will go for it but I expect you will take it with support which is OK with me.",
"Wrong person 😛",
"Oops",
"I'll provide support into ION if you'd like :S",
"😄",
"Any idea how you'd like to approach Italy this season?",
"Not really, i really didnt expect russian move into ankara, and i am pretty much surrounded now"
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"Greetings, Germany. How are things up north?",
"Things are still shaking out but overall ok. France and England seem to be getting along nicely and will likely roll towards us soon.",
"France told me his main focus is to take out England before moving towards us, but that seems unlikely. Let’s watch out for each other",
"👍🏽",
"England didn’t seem to be making any friends fast. Turkey looks like they’ve sided with Russia against Austria. Are you jumping on the anti Austria bandwagon? I’m trying to fend off Russia in the north.",
"Huh, France has been pretty quiet to me, so I was assuming France and England were working together. Have you heard much from France? I probably will try to stay neutral with Austria a bit longer, we will see",
"Are you planning to help Austria move back to into Vie?",
"not sure yet"
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"Hi Italy, I hope we can reach a mutually beneficial agreement on what we want to do in these opening moves",
"Hi Austria! Yes definitely willing to work together",
"Did you have anything in mind?",
"Yes, I'd like to develop to the Balkans, keeping Turkey busy, which would allow a Lepanto opening from your side",
"Ok! That works for me",
"Have you been able to gather anything from Russia yet?",
"We chatted yeah. He's in for an alliance against Turkey",
"Would you mind a bump on Tri <->Ven initially?",
"Sure thing!",
"Thanks, let me know if I can help with something.",
"Will do",
"Thank you for trusting me. I hope you don't mind that I didn't attack Ven with Tri.",
"Yes, no problem. Turkey is asking me if that bounce was arranged. Do you have any preference on how I address that?",
"Oh and happy thanksgiving!",
"Happy thanksgiving 🙂",
"I think it would be best to keep up the picture that there is some friction between us",
"If you are planning a lepanto this would be the better course",
"Do you want to bounce in Tri again?",
"Nah, now it's fine, thanks",
"(no bounce)",
"Ok!",
"Hm, russia stabbed me",
"Ugh that was a rough one 😦",
"Seems like Russia’s really siding with Turkey. Germany said they’re trying to fend off Russia, which is good for us",
"Let me know if I can be of any assistance next spring",
"Hey, yeah he did gain a temporary victory but together with germany I think I should be able to hold R off.",
"Sounds good 👍",
"Still planning on the Lepanto, FYI",
"Ok, let me know what if you need help",
"supposedly T is going to move F Smy-Aeg. I don't trust them but just fyi",
"I've tried to give the impression that we have a quibble.",
"I'm checking with G to see if you can help with Vie, would you be interested?",
"Ok thanks for the heads up. Yeah, turkey thinks I’m on his side, but I assume that will change very soon haha. What were you thinking for Vie? I’m interested in helping",
"I want to smooth this over with G before you do anything that may seem aggressive. But I was thinking you move to Tyr, Then you can support my move to Vie in Fall.",
"Though I wonder if G will respond before the deadline",
"Yeah I haven’t heard back from Germany in a while",
"Ok, keep me updated",
"Hmm looks like a western triple going on",
"Oh, F allied with G & E? hm",
"Do you want to try the risky play of convoying to Smy or go to Syr first? I can try to fool T. Supposedly he's asking what you're planning",
"Does T really not know or is it feigned ignorance?",
"I was thinking Syr first...with my fleets there, I doubt T will trust me enough not move back to Smy. I’m sure turkey can tell what I’m doing at this point, but is definitely annoyed at me. He offered a deal that he would only build armies from now on if I only built fleets, which I agreed to. Other than that, we hadn’t really worked together, but because of that agreement he seems to assume I would feel indebted to him",
"I'm pretty sure he was aware because he said he'd build two fleets if I'd give them Greece",
"Ah. Well it would be nice to have support from your fleet when I move from Syr to Smy (hopefully net spring). But if you feel that you need to hold in Greece, I totally understand too",
"I'm considering moving into Bul. If that is cleared I can move F Gre -Aeg",
"Ok 👍",
"Welp I’m done for. Let me know your plans for Tri and I’ll try to leave you with Ven",
"We can get you Smy by Fall while you pull back Ion",
"Will you be able to support from Aeg? If so, I can support you into Aeg this season",
"You don't need to, if you support move into Smy, T has to hold or support with F Smy",
"But, yes, that's my plan.",
"Ok perfect",
"Thanks!!",
"We’re all the moves through the Balkans with turkey coordinated?",
"*were",
"Sorry for being mia while at this critical stage. These days went quick",
"I'm surprised to see you'd choose to stab me at this point. Could've conquered turkey by 1904 which would give you 2 and me 1 CP",
"From there, Sev is not a stretch since Turkey is easily defended.",
"Now... You have Gre, which will be conquered by T next year... I'm disappointed",
"Sorry :/ I was worried cause I didn’t hear from you",
"Left Tri so you still have two units this year- if you would accept this as a piece offering, maybe we can coordinate again next season?",
"Thanks. I'll see if I can come back somehow but I think T will be too strong at this point",
"Perhaps we can convince R to fight turkey",
"We can try to push into Ser if A Ser - Tri",
"Yeah, Ser is probably our best bet",
"Do you have a feel for how much Russia would be willing to cooperate? I feel like T/R are working pretty closely",
"Low at this point, doubt they'd want an extra front without being in a good position for a stab.",
"Though if we drag it on long enough T might stab R",
"T says he'd support me to Albania. Maybe you can move Alb-Ti with support from France? France made it seem like he'd be on your side there. Then maybe we'll be in a better position to have a go at Serbia",
"I'm worried to leave Are open but I don't really have other options haha",
"I guess ION-Alb, but then I have no way of defending home SCs",
"Anyways, let me know what you think. I have a final exam this evening, so I probably won't be on again until later this evening, FYI",
"(Oops, meant \"leave Gre open\")",
"Why would you want to move from Gre to Alb? That doesn't make sense to me. But only if T thinks you'd just abandon Gre for no reason.",
"I was thinking about setting up a convoy back to Venice",
"I assume you are trying to move back to Tri?",
"Never mind",
"Ok, I am going to move up to Alb this season. Made deal with Turkey. Best case scenario: I convoy him out of Greece next year and he supports me to push back at France. Worst (maybe too likely) case: I am just handing Turkey supply centers, but he will be able to get Greece in a season or two either way",
"I can't afford to just use F ION to constantly support greece or else France will keep marching down Italy",
"Sure, if you're doing that then I'll need to change my plans. I was hoping to attack Ser with your support",
"In this case (and also previous season) I think the best defense would be a good offense.",
"Yeah... basically this is what would happen",
"Sorry 😦 let me know if you need support from Adriatic and I could retreat there",
"Let me know if you want support for Alb-Tri",
"Yes, that would be helpful, thanks",
"Sure thing. And it’s not confirmed but Russia might order to support me into Tri, but I have my orders in to support you. So it should work out in your favor"
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"Greetings, Czar. How are things in Russia?",
"Have you been able to gather anything from Austria or Turkey?",
"I’m willing to work with you in the East, let me know if I can be of assistance",
"Not yet - we have to actually process a couple moves before I can gather any dots from them.\nOh, you meant information. Turkey's not super talkative, seems to be looking at traditional boring Turkish openings. Austria strikes me as the kind of guy who probably messages every person on the board with an opening proffer of \"Hey! Do you want to ally against <mutual neighbor>?\"",
"Yes, I’ve only gathered the same from both of them. I suppose their dynamics will be more clear after a few moves. Let’s keep each other updated",
"Have you and Turkey agreed to anything as far as how to split up Austria?",
"Getting there I hope. Jump in",
"What’s going on with England 🧐",
"I can’t tell if France and England are actively working together or not. What’s your take?",
"I think their relationship is fluid and evolving. It's probably going to get a lot less friendly once France absorbs the Italian dots and becomes the big dog on the block",
"You have support to Trieste if you want it.",
"Please - thank you",
"https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396"
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"Greetings, England! How's it going in your part of the world?",
"Well everyone is *saying* the right stuff, all joining hands and singing Kumbaya. Whether or not they mean it...",
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"Ah yes, pretty much the same here",
"I’m curious about your feel on Russia?",
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"Do you have a preference of where you'd like to go? When I play Italy, I always try to figure out where my 5th build is going to be - as long as it's not one of mine, I don't think a strong Italy is necessarily a bad thing for Turkey.",
"Hi! I am not sure yet, I will keep you posted. Trying to feel out how things will be to the west",
"Of course.",
"Any thoughts on how you'd like to handle things in the East? I know it can be a classic AI versus RT - what would you need to see to prevent that? Other than me opening to Armenia, that's a little bold for me.",
"Was the bounce in Venice arranged? Are you actively anti-Austrian?",
"Gah didn’t go as planned. I am not sure if Austria wants to work with me. What’s your read? Russia seems neutral at this point",
"I’d be open to a joint attack on Greece.",
"Well ... Austria's pretty much toast. Thoughts>",
"Yeah, it seems like it. I think Austria was trying to work with Russia, which was clearly a mistake",
"I offered him a great deal, but he decided to drop his pants for Russia. Very frustrating to see in what is supposed to be a high quality game. Oh well. I am planning on building a fleet and heading into the Agean. That is as far west as I plan on going, if you'd like to work together - I offer you the following: I build only armies from here on out. I think you might need a third army, but I'd ask you to build only fleets beyond that army. France looks like he's going to be a bit slow in moving out on you, so maybe with a bunch of fleets and a head start, you can get the jump on him?",
"Yeah that’s reasonable! I can work with that",
"Ok. So, you don’t have a problem with me taking Greece while you focus on Trieste?",
"Yes that’s fine. Have you agreed to anything with Russia?",
"I think you me and he are all on the same page with respect to Austria.",
"Hi! Why are your fleets in my area? How are they helping you take shots off of Austria and / or defend against France? What threat did I pose you when I promised to only build armies from here on out? Trying to figure out what you’re thinking so that we can work together.",
"a) I think it's bullshit that in a game where we're being compensated to communicate with each other, you ignore me for an entire season.\nb) do you even look at the board before you put in your orders? You're not getting any of my dots, brother. And France is about to take at least two off of you.",
"Well I’m going to lose this game anyways, so : a) Just because I didn’t chat with you doesn’t mean I didn’t talk with others. B) Im fairly new to diplomacy and never played as Italy before. Honestly just brute-forced the Lepanto because of a lack of creativity on my part. Sorry to be an annoying neighbor. Best of luck moving forward",
"Well, if they give bonus points for honesty, you just got some. Anyway, if you had partnered with me and moved on Trieste, you'd be getting a build right now. Sometimes you need to adjust your game based on the conditions on the board. Also, as Italy, I never Lepanto. Well, never say never ... but the convoy to Syrna? There's got to be a specific set of circumstances that result in that. And France not being aggressive and Austria letting me have Trieste are two of them.",
"You live and you learn",
"Or you read one of the dozens of strategy articles for Italy that are on the internet.",
"And, out of curiosity, why or who were you talking to while ignoring me? You coordinated absolutely none of your moves with anybody else and somebody convoyed into your home territory. I'd say you invested your diplomacy down a dry hole, brother.",
"So ... another French Fleet.",
"Yeah... Obviously I don't trust him, but he says it's going to be used to attack England",
"I suppose no matter what he told me, I'd tell you that he's attacking you. \n\nBut he's going to keep attacking you.",
"Right",
"You need a 5th build, and I border both Greece and Trieste. Maybe you can get your 5th build from one of them and I could help you out? I'm just worried that you're going to cripple me while France cripples you. But if we can work together against a common neighbor, then we can both gain.",
"Maybe I’ll go for Tri. I think that Austria and Germany were trying to coordinate to push back at Russia in Vie. I’ll try to gather more info from Austria if that’s still in the works- might be able to get to Tri easily while he’s preoccupied with that",
"You will probably want to cover Rome. I'm hoping that you convoy back to your peninsula so that you can defend your home centers. I don't know how you're going to cover everything - If I was France i would probably see if you're going to stalemate me or not. If you don't stalemate me, then I'll take everything I can. If you do, then I'll re-posture towards Germany.",
"But, regardless, I'm going to protect my home centers from you. So, I'd ask you not to dedicate 3 out of your 4 units to get one of my home dots while, in the process, you lose two of yours.",
"Yeah that sounds reasonable",
"Agreed, it sounds reasonable. I just hope that you are reasonable! 🙂",
"Wow, brother.",
"You'll lose one center to him, at least. I really don't understand your play.",
"Actually, you'll lose two. You'll lose Trieste and Tunis. You jackass.",
"I had a deal with France (risky, I know)",
"Are you new to this game? I’m trying to understand who I’m negotiating with. You’re making “beginner” mistakes and if you’re a beginner, that’s ok - I can help you see other options and improve overall. My games is basically ruined, and while I’m not going to give you my dots, I can help you in other ways. \n\nYour call.",
"Yeah I am. Also it’s finals week so I haven’t been able to dedicate time to strategize, etc",
"Did you have any input? Honestly open to it",
"If I convoy Syr to Gre, would you be willing to support me into Greece?",
"I would, yes.",
"What is fleet Greece doing?",
"Ok. Sorry for the late conversation but I’m flying to Iowa tonight. I’ll plan on supporting you to Greece. Let me know if you change your mind so that I don’t waste my moves.",
"Thank you!",
"I’m not sure what I’ll end up doing with fleet Greece, but I will keep you updated next season. High likelihood I’ll just have to convoy it back home",
"Have a safe trip",
"I assume you mean army Greece. 😊",
"Oops! Yes that’s what I meant",
"I hope so ....",
"Yes 100%. I was rereading your previous message asking about fleet Greece",
"Ohhh. I meant Fleet Agean!! Ha, it’s so easy to make these mistakes!",
"I can tell you stories ...",
"Oh! Haha",
"Words are hard",
"Oh, misorders around Bulgaria have cost me in big moments.",
"F Aeg was supposed to be used to support me into Smy as of last year- but Austria hasn’t replied to anything this season",
"Not sure if he’s purposefully avoiding me or just given up",
"A little column a, a little column b probably",
"what would you like me to build?",
"I don’t have a preference at the moment",
"Ok, here's my pitch to you - I can replace your fleet with one that I build, but I can't replace your army in Greece. So, I'll build a fleet and ask you to disband the one in Eastern Med. Then, we'll work together to get you into Trieste, which will make up for losing Rome and give you a shot at getting Venice back. Otherwise, you're just going to get caught in the sandwich between France and me, with a dying Austria trying to get back into things.",
"Ok, that sounds good to me. I have my order in to disband EAS. \n\nSince I didn’t retreat into Tri, I’m trying to leverage that into some coordination from Austria on their way out. Not holding my breath though, but will keep you posted",
"Oh .... i don't think that's salvageable. But ... maybe?",
"Yeah, doubtful....Stranger things have happened though haha",
"Ok, I'll support you into Albania?",
"Yeah thanks. A Gre?",
"I have a final exam this evening, so I probably won't be on again until tonight, FYI",
"yes.",
"i've ordered it.",
"What's your plan with Bul",
"?",
"I am hesitant to leave Greece wide open while I'm still so vulnerable to France at home",
"I was going to pass through Greece and hopefully you’ll convoy me to Apulia? If I’m going to “screw you,” I’m going to screw you. But if you’re willing to work with me against France, I won’t take your dots unless I need to in order to prevent France from getting them.",
"let me know what you would like to do.",
"True. Let's stick with the plan then. I have orders in for Greece to albania, and F ION will be ready for a convoy",
"hopefully he doesn't dislodge it. If he does, you should retreat to Adriatic, in my opinion.",
"I must have forgotten to update the orders. I woke up, was like “man, I hope I didn’t waste my orders,” and then I see you told the truth. Sorry, this was not my intent.",
"Well this has certainly not been my magnum opus",
"I'm supporting AEG-ION. If you, as your dying gasp, would support me in, I would greatly appreciate it."
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[
"Greetings! How are things in France so far? Let me know if I can be of assistance in the future, would be happy to work together as neighbors",
"So would I, Italy! I think I'm going to focus on taking out my upstairs neighbor to start off, but don't be a stranger 🙂",
"And let me know if you'd like to nail down any agreements wrt the mediterranean",
"Sounds good! 🙂 I think Germany is nervous about you and England working together",
"Ugh",
"Nothing personal. We can still negotiate! If you're willing to give up Tunisia and one peninsular dot of your choice, I'll help you out in the mediterranean?",
"Actually, I'd settle for just Tunisia, since that would allow me to move my Wes fleet back to Mao and work on suppressing Britain. I would want to keep an army in Pie and a fleet floating in Wes with Tys as a DMZ. Other than that, I'd get totally out of your hair so you can keep stirring up big trouble in little Anatolia?",
"Hey! Yes that all sounds good. You can have Tunisia, and I’m cool with Tys as a DMZ",
"Do you have any feel of what Germany will be doing? Seems like they’re just focused on Russia?",
"That's all they've mentioned to me as well. Why do you ask?",
"I think Austria was trying to work with G to knock Russia out of Vie. But it seems like Germany is more focused north, for now",
"So just to be clear, I’ll be moving into Pie and staying there, then convoying tus-tun this turn. Then i’ll move wes-mao. That all sound okay?",
"Yes, sounds good. Thanks for the update",
"Still need to coordinate some things before deciding on my moves, but I'll keep you updated. Main goal is aiming for turkey",
"What happened to the convoy?",
"I decided on a different sequence of moves out of fear you’d reneg and try to stop me",
"Ah I see",
"Pretty ruthless how you're treating Austria, eh?",
"Austria started ignoring me...",
"Oh wow--you didn't take Trieste? I take back what I said about ruthlessness",
"No, I wish I had known what moves he entered haha",
"you could have retreated there, instead of to Rome?",
"I figured Austria would just take it back anyways and then leave me just as stranded",
"Austria'd be down to one dot--ya can't take back anything with one dot! (I'd have helped them though, of course). Still, that's a whole year you'd have had four units instead of three"
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[
"Hey Germany, would you be interested in a peace between us, at least in the beginning?",
"I don't think either of us would benefit of starting a quibble when there's other powers at our borders.",
"I’d be more than happy to oblige. From what I hear you’re going to have your hands full in the easy anyways. DMZ Tyrolia and Bohemia?",
"Sounds good. If things change with Italy, I'll let you know.",
"It seems turkey has decided to side with germany",
"Russia, sorry",
"If you could build appropriately for a push to War, I can support from the south",
"I bounced Sweden for that reason",
"i'm going to Silesia. you're in a bit of a pickle but hopefully you can get out of it to go anti russia.",
"Thanks. It should be fine if we can get 1 back on R.",
"Can I ask Italy to help with Vie or would you rather Tyr stay clear?",
"rather it stay clear",
"ok",
"I'll be supporting your hold in Vienna. Anything to hurt the russians. Make sure to tap Trieste to ensure you keep it.",
"Thanks. Italy decided to stab me this turn for some reason",
"After going through a very painful Lepanto. Throw it all out",
"What are your plans for coming year? Do you plan to put more pressure on War?",
"If R supports or moves bud for Tri, I could support Boh to Gal",
"What do you think about trying to move to Gal?",
"Why don’t I support you into Gal?",
"I'll try to push out with Vie this turn. If you could use Boh to attack Gal that would be good for both of us",
"Also, F seems poised to take England, after which F has 13 CP",
"I'm attacking Vie with Tyr"
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[
"Hey there - just checking in noting that there are multiple ways our interests can coincide.",
"Certainly. Nice to meet you.",
"Harrumph - that whole Western side of the board is setting off alarm bells. I'd really appreciate if you let me into Sweden to slow England down - even if you take the dot next year, it's still to your and my advantage to let me position on him for a turn",
"If I let you in you’ll likely build 3",
"Not sure what the third is - Rum, Swe, and? Anyway, again, I fully expect you to take Swe next year - I'm just saying it's in both our interests if you let me convert it to a different unit first. If you bounce me out I have not way to get rid of the fleet, whereas I can disband it if you dislodge from Swe next year 🙂",
"There third was Vienna 😁",
"Well, yeah, but there's no rational reality in which that should have worked. Good thing I forgot to go back in and change my order to Baltic. 😄",
"Now I'm less glad that I forgot to go back in and change my order to Baltic. 😄",
"Well, this is fun. On the bright side, looks like France left his English buddy out to dry, so...where do we go from here?",
"So... I'm not following back up to Silesia and Prussia because y'all need to deal with a monster France over there",
"I'm not sure I actually believe that you're going to just let your units just hang out aimlessly.",
"Mate, you realize I'm just waiting for you guys to commit on France so I can deal with Turkey, right? That gets harder the longer I have to hang back, btw",
"My instincts to not trust you were accurate",
"Say what? I told you I was standing pat and I did. You responded by claiming you didn't believe I would stand pat even though I just had, and supporting the Austrian against me. So I moved, given it was obvious you were going to remain hostile despite my overtures.",
"Mate, I'm still just killing time until you realize you have to deal with the French guy who's expanding all the way around your flanks and not cutting you into any of the gains.",
"Thoughts?",
"Now you want my thoughts?",
"Dots are being thrown your way. Good luck taking down France.",
"Thank you?",
"Now that I have a channel *past* you, I'm happy to ignore you and go pound France. You bring in North sea would be helpful there. No, I'm not putting to on St Pete, because I have to cover your rogue army",
"I think I got this too late",
"Are you going to let me live?",
"Negative, Ghost Rider. The pattern is full."
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[
"So whaddya say to this: I build a crapton of fleets, you build a crapton of armies, and we kick the world's ass?",
"I like the sound of that",
"I know I’m supposed to build a Carlton of armies but I need a fleet in Berlin to help stamp out Russia.",
"Long as it's in Berlin and not Kiel, I can deal.",
"Berlin, huh?",
"ahhhhhh, I had originally built in berlin and then after your message i changed it to kiel but didn't update the order properly. I have NO plans on going anywhere but the baltic with it.",
"Good to know.",
"is france playing us?",
"That's a good question. What's he telling you?",
"he asked for support in exchange for staying off my back",
"you",
"?",
"He also offered me support. Oy.",
"well what should we do about that?",
"I could support you into Belgium?",
"interesting idea. I don't know if I want to come off that aggressive towards him for now. maybe I support you in?",
"Sure, I'll take it.",
"It seems you have unreliable allies.",
"Quite a few of them."
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[
"Well hello there! Hope you're having a lovely Thanksgiving! Are you going to bounce Russia in Sweden?",
"I’m still undecided. Where do you stand with Russia and Austria?",
"Not sure. Austria is feeling things out and Russia says he’s supporting himself into Rum.",
"Are you planning on throwing the game to France? I think that you really need to consider defense.",
"I’m trying to deal with Russia to stop you and him from steam rolling west. If you’re willing to turn on Russia I would be open to turning on France.",
"Alright, you make an excellent point. This year I will turn on Russia. But you need to fight France. He's on 11, is guaranteed England (eventually), and then you're in to position to stop him from getting another 4 for the solo. You should demand part of England (or at least BEL) to keep the two of you even. If he refuses, then you know what he's about.",
"So, how much of England are you getting? Or is he letting you take Belgium?",
"Oh my .... he has no armies.",
"I’m getting Belgium",
"good for you. And you should be getting STP too",
"It would appear that Belgium was not really going to be yours.",
"Yep. No Belgium for you. Think he'll let you have it this year? Will he waive any of his builds?",
"In all seriousness, if you're willing to prevent the solo, I'm sure Russia will listen to reason.",
"I reached out to Russia. Let’s see what he says.",
"Russia seems to be open to working together to stop France. What has he told you?\n \nI should take a dot off of him this turn, with more to follow shortly.",
"He hasn’t answered me",
"He just replied to me, so maybe there’s something in your inbox? I wouldn’t totally open my back door to him though.",
"He’s bitter. Not sounding like I can count on him.",
"Most of us out bitter, bitter men.",
"*are",
"Ughhh. That was a unfortunate retreat by France.",
"Are you still holding tight with Russia? France and Russia will squeeze me and then you. I think it’s mutually beneficial for us to work closer together.",
"Maybe, but this game ends in three years.",
"What were you thinking?",
"I’d be interested in your thoughts.",
"I was thinking I help you take Vienna Budapest and sevestapol and I take Moscow and Warsaw. That is if I don’t get clobbered by Russia and France first.",
"I'm a little disappointed that you would wait until midnight to message me a response, but ... 🤷♂️ \n\nAll-in-all that sounds good. I think France is about to turtle in the South and you're going to lose a lot of dots. But, we'll see!",
"Sorry, I’m in GMT+2 and just woke up",
"oh! that's a little exciting! Didn't realize!",
"I see you’ve solidified your partnership with Russia. I think I’m going to throw my dots to Russia just to spite France. Good luck!",
"That’s fine.",
"Let it never be said that you’re not a man of your word.",
"Hey, are you in?",
"Yes",
"Hey, are you in?",
"Why do you always assume it’s me",
"I’m in",
"Because i've had conversations with everyone else.",
"And, I forget that you're in Europe. 🙂",
"I’m never the straggler.",
"Then my sincerest apologies. Would you mind double checking though?",
"Yup. In.",
"👌",
"Good game, brother. Sorry it didn't end better for you."
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"Hi Germany! I'd love for us to start out on the right foot...let me know if you'd like to discuss the three B's (Burgundy, Belgium, and Britain) or anything else, for that matter 🙂",
"Yes, I’d be more than happy to discuss this",
"I haven’t spoken with England yet but I’m in favor of an equal split of Belgium and Holland between us. I’d like to open against Russia so if we can agree to dmz burgundy that will also free you up to focus on either England or Italy. What do you think?",
"When you say “split of bel and hol between us”, does “us” mean you and me? If so, then you’re suggesting exactly what I was going to suggest! That also goes for the bur dmz.\nI’ve also not heard anything from Britain yet but I’ll let you know if I do",
"It’s nice that we’re on the same wavelength",
"I think so too",
"England is not playing very nice",
"If you plan on building an army in Paris I can support you into Belgium in the spring. Im assuming there that your going to move into the channel in the fall. What are your thoughts?",
"I'm waiting to look at the winter builds to be sure, but I think I might focus my energy on the south to start out. I'd appreciate the support into belgium but not sure why it requires a parisian army?",
"Again, I was assuming your fleet is moving into the channel but just let me know where you want the support from.",
"Thanks for the help! Now, is there anything I can help you with?",
"Now that you mention it, going after england now would be grand",
"(keep this between us, but) my plan was to wait til I could build another fleet and launch my offensive in spring. But I take it that's not soon enough for you?",
"you do whatever you think best but after you getting double support from both me and england trust is a little bit of an issue right now. A strong move towards england would help me settle down.",
"Well, if it’s any consolation I’m reneging on an agreement to support England convoying to holland.",
"Yeesh. I’m quite nervous about a russia in cahoots with england *and* turkey. In the face of this, I’d like you and me to coordinate more if you’re willing to trust me",
"That’s all I’ve been looking for from the start. You’ve pushed full force into Italy but I think we can still turn around go north.",
"\"turning around\" is a little extreme, but I'm building a fleet it Brest and so between that and Belgium you and I could take Nth and/or the channel...",
"I just offered Italy a deal that would allow me to send one fleet back up north. If Italy agrees then you and I will *really* be in business!",
"Excellent. I hope they agree",
"Are you talking to England at all? ...I know that if I were England and faced with an unreliable France, I’d make overtures to Germany and plot with them.",
"Of course. He’s trying to convince me to take Belgium with his support. I don’t think it’s wise for us to not work together right now. The threat of England and Russia is too great. I’m still committed to this partnership so long as you are.",
"I am committed. Just wanted some clues about what England might *really* intend. I offered E support into hol again this season just to see if they’d refuse it or agree to it, and they agreed. But neither of E’s stated goals involve moving to the channel, so i’m thinking it may be feasible for me to move bre there unsupported, and have bel support den into nth, if you think that’s a good idea.\n\n...also, I’d understand if you were thinking if collaborating with E against me, but I think long term I can offer you more because I’ll have northern *and* southern footholds from which to support you in taking over central/east europe.",
"You’ve got a way into the channel now. What’s your agreement with Italy? He’s very vulnerable right now.",
"I’ve decided to try and press my advantage while I have it, but keep that between us 😉",
"Yeah, I couldn’t imagine he was offering anything more valuable than your position now.",
"That turn went well for us!\n...if you cut support from norway I’ll take nth?",
"Also, are you planning to help A hold vienna?",
"went well for us indeed! I was going to force my way into GoB but I guess it would be better to force north sea. will you support me into Norway once you're there? Still undecided about Austria.",
"I *can* offer you that support but England will almost certainly cut it from Edi/Nwg.\n\nI think it's in your interest to help A, since everything A loses will end up with Turssia, which is a greater threat to you",
"How about I convoy Den-York or Hol-York in spring, then support Swe-Nwy in fall?",
"(asking now since it may affect what you build)",
"I don’t think landing an army in England is going to be beneficial to us. Plus I have Russia breathing down my neck. I need to push East.",
"okay fair enough--though it looks to me like you're doing more neck-breathing than russia at the moment 😛",
"I hope that continues. Russia has been very anti France. He keeps telling me that he’s waiting for me and England to band together against you before moving west.",
"I keep waiting for that too, honestly. But my progress is about to hit a wall now that Italy’s got nothing to do but fight me back. Furthermore, You’ll need all the resources we can get to stop a Russia/Turkey victory, and I’m better equipped to help stop that than England is.",
"I’m in it with you. Just look at my positioning. You have the upper hand over me. If you want to stab you easily can. I’d like to pull off a FG win. Never managed it before.",
"I should have warned you i wasn’t supporting my hold in nth; we could have coordinated that better. At any rate, do you want me to support ska-nwy? I will if you’ll use that fleet to help me next year",
"yeah that was a bit of a miss by us. I'll 100% take support from skag to norway. happy to help once i'm in.",
"wait, can you actually support sweden in? I need skag to cover denmark. I can still supprort you from den or skag.",
"The swe army can also cover den?\n\nI’d prefer the fleet in nwy because then it can support things in nwg if necesssary",
"Ok",
"Alright thanks! order’s placed",
"Ok, so there’s a lot of pressure from just about everyone for me to turn on you. I’m still interested in working together. Do you think we can get closer to center parity? You will be taking all of England and I’m hoping to be able to divvy up some of it with you. How do you feel about letting go of Belgium?",
"I’m willing to",
"Why the army in munich instead of a fleet in kiel?",
"...I'm sorry but with Turkey squaring up to steal italy out from under me (and probably roping Austria in to help) I need two builds this turn. I'll hand over Belgium next year.",
"Ok, so this season you let me in?",
"No, spring of 1906",
"...okay, clearly I don’t have your trust. But really, I am committed to an FG victory! I’m convoying bel onto britain this spring and I’ll leave it open for you. Just let me know what else you’d like me to do, or if you’d like to hear about my moves in more detail (although in that case i would ask you to reciprocate). My main focus for the time being though has to be keeping turkey off my boot",
"Why the 2 army builds?"
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"Hi Russia, can we chat about a possible alliance against Turkey?",
"Of course we can!",
"I'm opening pretty standard South opening, so can certainly focus on Turkey",
"Sure, I'd welcome a move to Ukr",
"Indeed, a strong southern deployment. Do you need assistance somewhere?",
"Not yet - but that Western opening is irksome",
"You mean england's? Yeah he's going to try to push into stp",
"I mean all of it. Smells of collusion, and unfortunately not with Russia.",
"You think G and E are working together? Yeah, quite possible.",
"What are your plans surrounding Rum?",
"Turkey is asking me to give them greece",
"I'm planning on taking Rum - hard to grow without it :)\nPersonally, I'd prefer you didn't give Turkey an extra build, but if he's making a strong anti-Italy commitment, I suppose I could go focus on the North, which is clearly what England wants me to do anyway.",
"Yeah, I feel the same way about give T greece.",
"So... Awkward position but E & G working together must change our priorities somewhat I'd say?",
"Indeed. I already told Turkey my attention needed to shift north.",
"Do you trust Turkey to stay your ally in this situation?",
"About as long as it remains in his interest."
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"Hey England, we're pretty far apart but I hope we can share some relevant intel here or there!",
"If there's anything I hear that I think you'll benefit by knowing, I'll pass it along."
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"Greetings! I'd like to keep our options open for working together, I think Austria-Turkey can be a strong early game partnership. And, with the right conditions - a mid to end game one as well. Best of luck with regards to Galicia and Trieste, I can let you know if I hear anything.",
"Hi Turkey, Sounds good. Turkey is close to my heart and I know it can be a very strong ally",
"We could always both get 2 builds and stymie Russia. In this scenario, I would only ever build fleets. Obviously it depends on what our neighbors do, but could you trust me that Greece would be a walk-in?",
"Greece may be a stretch. I do need to watch what Italy does.",
"I know, and it's always lovely to promise Turkey support into Rumania and then just let him bounce against Russia while you guarantee Greece. But if you'd like to work together the trust needs to start at some point between us.",
"I'm sorry, I must've misunderstood your intentions. I thought you meant for me to walk into Greece unsupported",
"Well, I was wondering if you'd be open to keeping Russia out of Rumania. But that would involve walking into Greece unsupported - unless you thought you could make it to Budapest?",
"My statement was with regards to my fleet on Tri. I may not be able to move it to Gre in time.",
"I may need it to bump Vie",
"Interesting. I've never seen that before and would love to hear your thoughts on it. Though, I assume you mean bump Venice.",
"Yeah that's right",
"It's purely defensive.",
"You think he's going for Tyrolia AND Venice?",
"That is the standard opening against A",
"ughhh. sorry to hear that, brother.",
"Best of luck. I have received no indications from Italy or Russia how they plan to move, I hope any guesses you have to make work out for the best.",
"I’m haven’t done a good AT in a while. Want to make a go of it?",
"So Rum for Gre?",
"Oh. He has 2 support now :/",
"Not sure what your suggesting our fall moves to be?",
"But, yes. You let me have Greece, I’ll build two fleets, and we’ll get you into Rumania in ‘02. That way your fleet can cover Trieste and your armies can bounce in Budapest.",
"Preliminarily: I'm considering stabbing Gal with Vie, then s Ser Bul - Rum, which could bounce if F sev S Ukr - Rum but that would give you Bla",
"That could work as well.",
"You should chat with others and double back. We can talk on Turkey day.",
"Or, me day.",
"how's it going? did you have a great thanksgiving?",
"I'd like to coordinate respecting this season's moves. Here's my pitch. Let me into Greece, I'll build two fleets, I'll have gotten my \"5th build\" from Greece and will never ask for another center again. I mean, how often does Turkey, Italy, and Austria fight over Greece? Let's just remove that from the equation. Instead, you either use your fleet to cover Trieste or head into Adriatic. Boom, my fleets come pouring in, you've got the extra unit for support for the attack on Venice, I'll be in the Black Sea ... we get you into Rumania in '02, maybe you get Venice in '02, and maybe you help me into Sevastopol so that I can keep building fleets. It's a little unorthodox, but with Italy trying for Venice and Russia in Galicia - I'm trying to be your friend but also pitching something that makes sense for me. \n\nThoughts?",
"Really, I wouldn't mind moving into venice at some point but I feel like with this plan I'm sticking my neck out really far.",
"Like ... how far? Cause you need friends, and Italy and Russia (I assume) both lies to you and attacked you. Me? I prefer to find a partner that I’m a principled negotiator. I like to find a partner with whom I can negotiate in good faith. And work with long term. \n\nA fleet in Greece is great for attacking Turkey, not so much against Italy. If we have three fleets against two Italian fleets, we can take him. Quick. Also, if I’m in the Black Sea, I can help you against Rumania. \n\nI’d ask you to consider this - you can gain two neutrals and lose one of your home centers for a net of four. Or, you can protect your home centers, gain, one, and get position on the guy who attacked you ... and earn an ally. I think that’s a very fair prospect.",
"Ok, clearly you chose the \"forget the guy that's trying to negotiate with me in good faith and, instead, I'll drop my pants to my ankles for the guys that are lying to me.\" I get it, it's cool. It doesn't mean I can't get annoyed though. Let me know if you'd like to negotiate in good faith. Otherwise, good luck playing defense against a two build Russia. I'll play defense until I see what's happening.",
"My offer for support in moving into rum still stands.",
"Ok. Would you mind if I also moved my fleet to Aeg?",
"Maybe we force the Ionian (or try to). I’d like to also work with you against Italy.",
"Aeg is fine.",
"No rum yet?",
"No, I'm forcing RUM with BLA.",
"I think that's the best move., don't you?",
"Actually, I'm planning on moving BUL-RUM, if you'd like to support that. I haven't heard from you in a while, I hope evertyhing is going well with you! Did you have a good Thanksgiving?",
"Check that ... I'm using BUL. Please support!",
"Any idea what Italy is planning? I mean it’s probably good that he isn’t coming for you.",
"This seems like a classic Lepanto opening",
"agreed. complete with a classic French butt-@#$%'ing.",
"While that's true, E, G & F seem all too friendly",
"That can't be good news for us",
"no. it certainly isn't. can you convince Italy that going against me isn't something you'll help him with? meanwhile, I think I'll make a go for Sevastopol while you take Vienna!",
"Yes, it does look like R has too many bases to cover",
"Yes, UKR will cover WAR, I think.",
"can you support me to hold in RUM?",
"Or are you actually going to try to take Vienna?",
"I am. So somewhere's gotta give, either Vie or Sev",
"or war",
"Ok. well, if I cut SEV's support, I'll either take SEV or keep Rumania or maybe both.",
"As long as we take one of Russia's CP, their defense will weaken and we can push further",
"yes.",
"I'm going to have to cover Smyrna, because Italy has shown that he is a one-dotter.",
"It would appear that we both lied to each other.",
"I think we're all in some existential crisis in one form or another now haha",
"well, it's not too late to patch things up. We only really traded Supply Centers.",
"Also, I can now basically walk into Sev. 🤷♂️",
"We can keep jiggling things around here but France is not going to wait.",
"That’s a you problem.",
"Sorry things didn't work out, I think you played a good game, it's not your fault that Italy shit the bed.",
"Italy chose the wrong time to flip sides. I was disappointed."
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"Hi France, I hope you will consider being a good neighbor and letting me of potential agression by Italy since a strong Italy would also not be great for you.",
"I'll let you know if I hear anything, and I hope you'll do the same!\n...if it worries you so much, we could work together to nip Italy in the bud?",
"I will consider it after the opening stages. Or do you have a plan in mind?",
"No particular plan at the moment...i agree it’s better to see how opening moves pan out",
"Sorry I thought I sent that message last night",
"Hey--I have an idea for how you could take Venice this turn, if you'd like to hear it",
"Oh nevermind you should go for vienna",
"...okay, *now* let’s talk boot-shaped peninsulas! You clearly kept mum to Italy that I was scheming against them—of perhaps you blabbed but italy ignored you—either way, I trust you now not to betray me to them if you’d like to co-conquer the place?",
"I'm ears but my hands are a little bit tied.",
"Ah I can see that. I underestimated how copacetic R is with T, so I figured R would abandon Vienna. \n...I’ll keep you in mind going forward though",
"I did not mention your looming convoy into tuscany and it seems I was too distracted with the Lepanto to anticipate it",
"(I being Italy)",
"Well let’s just say now I’ve got I’s attention",
"Which makes it potentially an opportunity for you to move your greek fleet around, though that’d still be a slight risk",
"Yo. Italy is the *worst*.\nIf you disband all but vienna, I’ll support you into Tripoli in spring?",
"Yeah... We can try but R won't stop coming.",
"Might buy you a bit longer though?",
"das ist mir egal",
"It's kind of the same situation; unless I can get Vie and Tri simulatenously",
"Well unless you’ve got a quantum-army there that ain’t gonna happen",
"I've come back from having two armies but one is much worse.",
"Surprised you didn",
"you didn't split Nap/Tun",
"You were guaranteed at least one but maybe two",
"If you can hold on til a year from now, I’ll let you walk into venice. \n\nAnd I thought about it, for sure, but I guess I just really discounted the possibility that italy would seize two dots. But yeah it was a mistake not to",
"ayyy Italy didn't steal Trieste! Maybe there's good in the world after all",
"Anyway, if you want either support into Trieste or for me to cut Ionian support (so you can take back greece), just say the word. Or some other assistance I haven't thought of.",
"Do you plan to use Ven this turn to push into Rom?",
"If not, you could attack Tri and probably bounce with turkey or R",
"I *was* planning to use ven for support, but I’ll strongly consider it...",
"Will it make a difference to your next move whether i commit to that or not?",
"It's fine if you don't, we may be able to push T out in fall",
"Hm, it would be nice to know if you do it or not, either is fine",
"Then I’ll do it. But just in spring",
"Ok, sounds good.",
"If you don't mind my asking, though, what are you doing with that albanian unit if not just going for Trieste this turn?",
"Actually, looks like I is going for Alb",
"So I need to go to Tri. Can you do your thing in I while I go to Tri?",
"in Italy*",
"So sorry I fell asleep before getting this",
"Sure, I'm hoping italy should not be a problem at this point",
"I expect not. Might keep one dot though.",
"Now that Italy is out of the game, perhaps we can work on a strategy against Turkey?",
"I thought you’d never ask!",
"So I think you should move tri-alb. We can bump venice and vienna in tri?",
"I can't really do that because Bud pressures Vie, and the only reason I can keep is because of Germany's support in holding",
"So what are you gonna do, then?",
"I'll try to attack Bud with Vie. If you could support Tri hold that would be nice.",
"You have my support for Tri",
"Okay, I will!",
"Sorry, I forgot to click the emoji last time :/",
"I'm not sure what to do from here. Tri seems lost...",
"Not if T uses the fleet to get into the ionian",
"Ok. I'm trying to push back Vie so if you could support a hold on Tri that would be good",
"Good luck! You’ve got my support",
"Thanks!"
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"Hey hey! Not planning on opening north, so would appreciate no Churchill opening",
"It took me a moment to look up what the Churchill opening is, and, I can guarantee you that won't happen. I hate opening LVP-EDI, to be honest. Sacrificing the ability to protect London goes against my every instinct.",
"As the great teacher DQ once said, \"Always open to Channel\"",
"*sigh* Chris Martin would be so disappointed in your avoidance of the English Channel",
"As much as I love DQ, he isn't always right about everything.",
"Fair enough. I was going to send the video in chat, but damn is it hard to Google anything by someone who shares a name with anyone even remotely famous.",
"Ooh, post-coffee now. So, you've opened north. I'm focusing south. I really don't want to have to spend a lot of time and effort covering my northern dots. So what can we do to keep tensions low up there?",
"Well I'm planning to build an army, and I'm not planning to put it in Norway. Do you want support into Sweden?",
"GDI,I hate this app. I never saw your comment, so I assumed you were being silent cause you were going to shuffle barents and Norway, so that tap was defensive. I see you're focused elsewhere, so it won't be repeated.",
"In fact, can support to Sweden if you want.",
"No problem at all! I would certainly appreciate that.",
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"Bounce in black, I assume? Or is there anything clever you'd like to try?",
"Probably best, unless you're really looking for a RAT and want to rotate out, but I'm guessing that's not the safest play",
"That is a nice, strong, southern opening!",
"Where you headed?",
"Straight to hell if I don't change my ways.\nPutting Ukr into Rum, no move to Black - you are free to rotate. The Western opening irks me",
"Before (and after) going for Trieste, Italy hasn't really made any any overtures to me about working together against Austria. I don't like to see deceit behind EVERY door, but we may be looking at an AI. 🤷♂️",
"lol - we'll have to ask botsentinel to expand their service beyond twitter to include backtabbr",
"Well ... you clearly enjoy puns. 😊",
"Look, Austria is asking me to bounce you in Rumania. I don't know if that's a great idea. He also told me that he's going to make a go for Galicia. So ... I think he might be full of shit? 🤷♂️",
"Probably? He strikes me as the kind of guy who opened all of his S01 negotiations by promising to ally with everyone against a common neighbor. Whatev - I'm clearly positioned to be all over him and at least reasonably friendly with you. I'd like to continue down that road, if you don't mind. And the way the West looks after one turn, I'd give decent odds that I'll be looking to pitch a full RT in the near future. I'm thinking that's probably good for you, since the north looks more organized than the south 🙂",
"yeah, it looks like his whole change to \"why don't you take greece while i protect my home centers\" was a ruse. Let me know what BUL can do for you. I'd like a dot at some point, obviously, but we have a great chance to make some headway into the balkans.",
"Eh, let's just erase him - you'll likely end up with the lions' share of dots, actually, as I need to pay attention to the north. But it's worth it if I get less totally random negotiation and don't have to worry too much about the southern flank.",
"I am not a dot grabbing ho. I know this is big talk for a man in the black sea, but I'm not. How do you recommend we proceed against Austria? I'm 100% down with wiping him out with you.",
"Meh, you in the Black Sea doesn't bother me as much as me in the Black Sea would bother you.",
"And moves depend on how aggressive you want to be, and whether you're prioritizing rotating the fleet out. Either way I think we try to put you in Rum and me in Bud",
"Me in Rum? Now? That sounds like a perfect arrangement. Especially with me helping you into Budapest. \n\nAustria has offered me support into Rumania, so maybe we can use that to our advantage?",
"Shit.. Just saw this, or I would have responded sooner. Yes, it makes sense to advance you to run now",
"Ok, which unit should I use?",
"Army, I would think",
"Done",
"Supported",
"Budapest is yours next season. And we can figure out a way to DMZ the black. I think you’re experienced enough to know why, as Turkey, I couldn’t afford to not go there.",
"Sure, black didn't really bother me. \nAs to tactics, the current support is for bul - rum, but if you're willing to switch, I'm willing to support con - rum so bull can cut serbia., if you're game",
"That looks about right. Italy should back off now that France's intentions are more obvious. I do indeed have to focus on the North, and you should still have Austria's trust as well as mine.",
"Let me know what I should order and I’ll do it (in the balkans).",
"Italy will, most likely, go for Smyrna. 🤦♂️",
"Probably -it's a low risk attempt for him. \nGalicia is the mover to Budapest. Fleet sev can support whatever you need in Rumania. And why the eff doesn't this app show an unread message indicator anymore?",
"Yeah, it’s be nice to know if I’m being ignored.",
"Support me to hold, though it isn't necessary -it's not going anywhere and only you can dislodge it. Meanwhile, I'll cut Serbia.",
"Great. That's the order it already had -i love when I don't have to change anything",
"I suppose this turn could have been worse. And it would appear that England is interested in attacking Germany, which is good for you. I'll can vacate Rumania this next year if you think you can get in there.",
"No worries - the overall board is actually trending the right way",
"yes. Italy ... Italy just fucked himself. I'm building an army in Ankara. Trying to decide whether to retreat the army to CON or rebuild it as a fleet.",
"I'm going to cut trieste with Serbia. You should be able to force Vienna. I might get dislodged from Serbia, but I can just retreat to Albania.",
"Ok",
"I assume with your disband of Sev that you’re choosing to trust me. I’m not plotting anything nefarious towards you and don’t see how that would be a good idea. I’m about 1000% sure that there’s going to be a fleet in the Aegean this next year.",
"And it’ll probably be Austrian.",
"Our relationship does tend to work better without the Russian fleet anyway",
"Agreed.",
"Ughhh ... I have an Italy suiciding into my southern flank. 😦",
"https://media.tenor.com/images/d74df5ad5b63cc9bc13f9b7446184a3e/tenor.gif",
"I know .... he says he's a beginner player. I've offered to help him out with some improved moves, but he's going to be down to just a few supply centers pretty soon.",
"Yeah. He just asked me what I thought about the relationship between England and France, and I just responded by noting how that relationship was likely to alter after France gobbles up a whole bunch of Italian dots and the balance of power shifts",
"Oh, I’m cutting Serbia.",
"Oh, I was cutting Vienna. If that wasn't obvious.",
"I’ve asked France to help you against Russia. Splitting the prize money three ways would be a. I’ve way to game the system, don’t you think!",
"*against Germany",
"He was not interested. And it looks like Germany is not interested in playing defense against France. The race is on for Munich, I guess.",
"I've offered Italy assistance into Trieste. Are you ok with him taking it temporarily?",
"That's fine",
"But...how's he going to get there?",
"And, yes, I'm already planning on a race to Munich, because the German is starting to torque me off.",
"Through Albania. I’m supporting him in.",
"You or I can have it long term. I just want Austria off the map.",
"Sure, sure, I just looked down and saw he wasn't adjacent to it 🙂",
"i understand. I think we're on the same page, like 100%. Also, once our armies converge in the middle, we're going to run this German player off the map. I just hope that France doesn't solo.",
"I forgot to update my orders.",
"Don't confront me none, long as I get my money next Friday",
"So, what’s the play here? Do I take Albania?",
"I think I need to see where Italy retreats to.",
"You need to decide who's moving to Trieste",
"Lets talk about this. Is it better for you, me or Italy to take it?",
"I think we can agree that we don't want Austria to have it.",
"I want it now! \nBut it's easier to put you in, and water still to put Italy in. I say we put him in for the moment - no opportunity for Austria to screw around that way.",
"Ok. Let’s see what Italy says he’s doing with his Adriatic fleet.",
"The real trick is going to be convincing him to keep the army in Apulia instead of the fleet in Trieste.",
"I haven't heard from him, at all.",
"I have - he's going to Trieste",
"Ok. I’ll support him in",
"Is my support needed?",
"Probably not, if you have something better to do",
"Preventing some attempt by Austria to gift Greece to France.",
"Shouldn’t have trusted him, especially when he didn’t say anything to me.",
"Yeppers - and I could've paid closer attention except I've been locked on a major work project all week",
"Yeah. We’ll be ok. Germany has to go after France now, right?",
"You'd think so, but he doesn't actually seen concerned about being the deadline center front while good Ally grows around him",
"I wish you had taken Vienna and gotten another build. I still think you can outmaneuver him - I've been telling him that he's got to insist on some of England for himself.",
"Yeah, Vienna was a missed opportunity last turn.",
"Life is filled with missed opportunities.",
"Maybe France will build two fleets and Germany will stab him. Unlikely, since he's in pitched battle with you, but maybe?",
"Don't you DARE put a Garth Brooks song in my head.",
"How do you want to handle Austria?",
"I can cut VIE and backfill Galicia.",
"I mean cut trieste.",
"Maybe? I keep telling the German I'm just biding time until he realizes he needs to deal with France. I mean, I'm telling him it's so I can turn on you, so not true, but still. Planting constantly in his head the idea that this conflict is entirely his choice and entirely unnecessary.",
"Unless we can convince Austria to actively participate and not be a speed bump, that's probably best.",
"I mean ... I'd rather it be our armies, not his. We can trust our armies. We can't trust his.",
"True story.",
"alright, I'll cut Trieste and try to get into position to force it in the Fall. Do you want RUM-GAL to back-fill you?",
"Why not? I'm more or less in stop-the-runaway-power mode, so being tetchy about trust issues isn't really productive at this point.",
"Yes. Agreed. You have dots for the picking, but there’s no incentive since this is solely a draw based system.",
"Ok. We can break through to Munich now. I assume you’re giving up on STP and taking the Baltic",
"(I say that because France built two fleets. So he now only has three armies, two of which are holding Italy. 🤦♂️",
"Germany says that France is letting him have Belgium.",
"Yep -let's roll.",
"And comms this week are likely to be terse, as work goes into crunch mode",
"Assuming serbia is the mover unless you tell me otherwise",
"That’s the mover. Do I tap Silesia? Does Warsaw support Gal-Sil? Or are you not going for Berlin?",
"Oh. I was kinda assuming you'd tap Bohemia and I'd blow up Silesia. But, again, I'm only half paying attention right now due to work. :)\n\nBerlin seems unlikely, but I guess not less likely than anything else",
"he has to cover Denmark, Sweden, Kiel, and Berlin.",
"Let me know what GAL should do. 😊",
"Tap Bohemia. I'll handle tapping Silesia. M definitely diving for a German dot",
"I will tap Bohemia.",
"There is a chance that he forces Galicia. I mean, it’s what I’d do. Thoughts? Honestly, I haven’t been super impressed by the tactical play of Germany this game ... so I’m not super worried.",
"Yeah, he doesn't seem very innovative tactically. I can step up the pressure on that assumption",
"Thoughts on Boh-Tyr?",
"I was thinking Trieste to tyr and boh-mun, but good either way",
"I don’t want to completely rule out getting Germany to our side.",
"Yeah, damnit. That's why I was soft-shoeing him so much there for a while.",
"Too bad you went to Tyr instead of Boh. We could have popped his army!!",
"I think I can grab Venice with no problem. And, I think, much more. Recommendations?",
"Damn. I shut my brain of for the weekend cause I didn't think we were going to process until Monday. Do we want to start plucking off France yet, or wait for him to finish moving on Germany? I could argue it either way",
"I think I take dots off of France.",
"Wanted to check in, make sure you were comfortable with everything. I’m going to try to get position on France and really make him have to overcommit in the south, which will free you up to take German dots in the north. If you can plop some fleets down, we can actually take Germany out and “three way” this with France. Which is not usually what a French three way means, but ... y’know....",
"Lol. Yeah, I'm good with all that.",
"They both retreated to Tyrolia. 🤦♂️",
"Whoops. And I would've moved from Galicia instead of Vienna if I'd realized you were emptying Tyrolia. Fwiw. \nAnyway, Berlin is forced now.",
"I could have given you more detail, I did say I was going for position. 😊",
"You did, and it's what I would have done, but like I said before last week I didn't have a whole lot of brain power left to spend on this game. Much better this week!",
"End of year can be a motherfucker.",
"Want me to fill Tyrolia now? Berlin roll still be forced in the Fall",
"I think that’s best. We should roll Germany now.",
"Want Rum to backfill Galicia?",
"Shouldn't be necessary - probably better to get to Trieste",
"Already orders to Serbia.",
"Should be very interesting to see France’s moves here. He hasn’t really impressed me with his moves so far, more of was super fortunate to have a null value in Italy and an ineffective England.",
"Thoroughly unimpressed.",
"All around. There were a half dozen ways to stop me from developing the position sound Munich. Now he's losing not just Berlin, but he needs French help to hold Munich.",
"If France doesn’t take other German dots.",
"Germany has threatened to throw all his dots to you if I don’t attack you now. \n\n....\n\nSo, I’m going to keep pressing against France. I don’t think either of us is a solo threat, so let’s get this down to three players and split that sweet, sweet cash pool! 💰 💴",
"At this point I'm just punishing poor play. 😃",
"I agree with that sentiment.",
"Wow. He did vacate all his shit.",
"Ummmm.... do I have anything to worry about?",
"Aside from knowledge that all we do is ultimately destined to be meaningless, as the universe inevitably slides toward heat death?\n\nNope, not even remotely. Three years wouldn't be enough to eliminate you even if I felt so inclined (and I don't).",
"I tend to agree. But, I've seen some pretty shitty play so far. I'm building fleet CON. I assume you're building 3x Armies, just in case Germany DOESN'T disband SIL. We might need to cover his options in the event he gets into Galicia.",
"You are correct in all counts",
"I will be in position to cover RUM and BUD if you need help there. I think it would be preferable NOT to let him into GAL in the first place, of course. I'm rotating my army into Venice and we can kick him out of Piedmont if he tries to play fuck-fuck games with regards to your army in Tyrol.",
"I'm covering Galicia. Venice or Tyrolia are good covers for you",
"thank you, adjusting my moves with this new information.",
"I'll cover TYR.",
"Anything to talk about? I assume you’re on your way to put pressure on STP?",
"We can discuss who's covering Piedmont. Right now it's me if you want to blow up the French army",
"Perfect. I will cover Tyrolia",
"Ah, I see you did the trust but verify this turn. 😃",
"🤷♂️",
"I believed you",
"Yep, but you also supported into rum just to make sure. Which I respect. \nI'm of course building in Warsaw, and don't anticipate having any units next to your dots the rest of the game. Piedmont can support Venice to Tuscany. It would be somewhat appreciated if you supported Silesia to Munich.",
"Ok. Supporting Silesia to Munich. And I’d prefer if you supported Rom-Tuscany.",
"Wait, no. Venice to Tuscany is much better.",
"Done and done",
"I assume retreating to Venice cause no ill-will?",
"sure. I'm not super worried about it.",
"Am I pushing to Piedmont or supporting action on Rome?",
"Please push to piedmont.",
"Updated",
"Piedmont is yours to command. If you can support Silesia to Munich that's awesome. I'm trying to impress on France the importance of moving to eliminate Sweden",
"I mean, let him have Denmark?",
"Silesia to Munich. Got it.",
"If he asks, sure. But skagerrak is guaranteed and ends the German",
"I’m supporting piedmont to hold.",
"Ok. He's supporting Rome to Tuscany just in case.",
"Not retreating from TYS makes no sense.",
"Are you going to support him into SWE?",
"Germany needs to be at zero or he gets part of the draw.",
"Yes. I'm supporting him into Sweden. And not tapping Norway as I should because I don't trust him not to eff it up.",
"Oh, he’s an incredibly bad player.",
"Or, at least, hasn’t made the best moves in this game (in my opinion).",
"We’ve done alright together.",
"Not too bad, all things considered. I do feel like I skated through the mid game when I shouldn't have survived if the middle board had been a little more tactically minded",
"I was tempted to go after you, and if board top meant anything in this format I probably would have.",
"Fair.",
"Oh, Silesia to Munich again, but this time actually protecting Denmark.",
"What do you think my best moves respecting Tunis is?",
"Honestly?",
"Rome to Tunis, Nap to Rome\nSecond option would be TYS to Tunis, Blow up Tuscany, and still move Nap to Rome\nAll of that based on \"if this game were to continue\"",
"Rome to Tunis is the move.",
"The game is over as soon as France I puts his moves.",
"we're supposed to be finished this game. I'm a little annoyed at which every player feels that his time is more important than everyone else's.",
"Good game. I enjoyed playing with you. I assume that you are either Dr. [redacted], MD, or [redacted].",
"Dick. 😃 \nAnd, yes, [redacted] here.",
"Hackenbracht.",
"Good game, mate!",
"And, well, I promised France that if he attacked Germany and let me have the 4 Italian dots that I’d attack you. He held up his end of the bargain ... 🤦♂️",
"Dick 🙂",
"Well, I'm a man of my word.",
"True, and now I have to mark you as one of the people who stabbed me this game 🙂",
"Right in the heart.",
"More like in the gonads, but mmkay"
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"We come from France. No, wait, *you* come from France.\nHey there - just don't forget to keep me in the loop if there ends up being something we can collude on.",
"I will, and same to you: don’t be a stranger 🙂",
"lol - man, I made the comment to Turkey that the Italian would probably go ahead and dive for Smy because it was low-risk and even having to turn around and deal with you the chance of an extra unit would be helpful, but I didn't think the poor bastard would actually move his army to the corner of the board out of the way, given your positioning. Wow. I dunno what you said to him, but he *really* misread that position",
"Haha italy must be some kinda optimist because i said *nothing* to them!\n...I’ll be honest with you, I advised Turkey to try and snatch sevastopol, and I had you slated to lose at least one dot! How you got England to help you in the north and turkey on your side is an impressive mystery to me. I’d ask if you wanted to be allies but it’s clear you have your pick",
"You can never have too many friends. 😄",
"OMG that Mediterranean position. That's just gross.",
"Right?! I thought for sure Italy’d try to defend more!",
"It’s kind of a mess in the east rn. Is anyone helping austria defend, as far as you know?",
"I kinda half expect Italy to try and help him, seeing as he's not that interested in Italy.",
"Go to hell. Or, Hel, rather. It'll be fun. 😃",
"Mmm wouldn’t it be convenient for you if Germany had their hands full",
"Wouldn't it, though? Mainly it would just be entertaining",
"We ending this with a three way or four way?",
"Please get into skagerrak and remove that last German unit before the game ends this year",
"Perfect. Finland will support skagerrak to Sweden.",
"Hi Russia--so sorry my phone stopped sending me discord notifications for no apparent reason. I just placed an order accordingly."
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"best of luck! you've got one helluva problem coming your way.",
"Oh, I know. I don't think a single person has been straightforward with me - or on my side - all game.",
"is this a recurring trend or unique to this game>",
"😉",
"i think Russia would be interested in preventing Germany from getting many gains off of you.",
"Oh I'm gonna be a maaaaaassive pain in Germany and France's asses, I've got 2 armies on the island and that'll make things really annoying for them.",
"i know! but, FRance is about to get two more builds off of Italy.",
"What terrible play by Italy. Just embarassing, low quality play.",
"but, I guess he really wanted to see what a convoy to Syria would be like.",
"You have quite the guessing game with F NTH!",
"Go for Denmark? Threaten Denmark and maybe bounce in Norway? Try for either BEL or HOL?",
"Hold on, brother! Help isn't coming, but ... still ... hold on!",
"Yeah ... was hoping you would play better defense than that.",
"Maybe keep the fleet? see if you can't help rescue Russia?",
"you kept the army? Mitch ... you can't do anything with an army ..."
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"Greetings, England! I'm sure you're a busy constitutional monarch so I'll cut right to the chase: DMZ in the channel and let's keep things friendly?",
"Sounds good to me. No reason for us to piss each other off, and we've got plenty of easy paths to expansion that don't bring us into contention with each other.",
"Okay, glad we can agree on that 🙂",
"Guess we should have chatted about Belgium...No hard feelings I hope! \nIf you were to support me into Bel in Spring I'd support you into Holland in Fall?",
"Sounds good to me! Sorry for not being more talkative, holiday stuff made things hectic.",
"Same for me, I understand. And I'll want to confirm with you sometime after we see all the winter builds, of course, but for now I'm encouraged by your agreement",
"Two fleets, huh?",
"Don’t get your crumpets in a bunch, England; I’m planning to use them in the MAO and the Mediterranean 😛",
"Just making sure. I'm supporting Picardy into Belgium, right?",
"Thanks, yes! I was just about to confirm this. I look forward to us working together 🙂",
"Thanks for the support! Now, if you still want some help into Holland just let me know whether you're convoying or parking the fleet",
"Gonna do the convoy in from London.",
"That was my assumption, so the order’s already placed",
"Sorry about that lie...it was true when i sent it, but later i received an offer i couldnt refuse.",
"That offer was based on the assumption germany would get another build (sweden), which did not occur. I know i’ve betrayed your trust, but as you can see i’ve got southern business that’s going to occupy all my resources. If you still want support into holland this spring, I promise to give it.",
"I'll take it, since I didn't lose any position or anything.",
"Okay I’ve placed the order to support lon -hol. I hope I can start to earn your trust in the future, since I think we both could benefit from collaborating against germany while they’re preoccupied with Russia.",
"Sigh."
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"Hey Turkey--just a word of advice (which may already be obvious to you), but now would be a good time to try and snatch Sevastopol with your black sea fleet, supported by your Rum army. Because Russia can't defend all three of Vienna, Warsaw, and Sevastopol, so you have like a 1/3 chance of getting to take it",
"Thank you. i think I would be guaranteed to take it. Speaking of taking ... are you going to take Italy in the rear? you're certainly gearing up for it.",
"Italy’s rear is none of your business 😉",
"well, it is when his front is all up in my part of the med!",
"Hopefully you won’t have to deal with that for much longer",
"No, I don't think so either. He'll make a go for Smyrna, I'm sure of it. If anything, S01 showed that he's a dot grabbing whore.",
"Aren’t we all, in the end?",
"In the end? Yes. In '01 and '02? That's a matter of style and preference.",
"Well speaking of style and preference, I clearly misjudged yours! From where i’m sitting Russia looks like the real winner of whatever transaction gave you serbia.",
"Think it might be F Sev? 🤔",
"He still has a disband, right?",
"But you’re doing well against Italy. He seems to have a hard-on for Smyrna",
"Looks to me like Russia held all their dots...am I missing something?\nAnd yes I owe you my thanks for not blabbing to them...or for being ignored if you did 😉",
"(Second “them” refers to italy)",
"I took Rumania.",
"Oh honey no...dots that don’t already belong to you don’t change posession unless occupied going into winter/build phase!",
"Did russia let you believe that?? Rude.",
"F BLA - Rum SUCCEEDS",
"Lol i totally missed that!! Sorry i mistook you for a spring chicken",
"I’m not a world class player or anything, but this ain’t my first rodeo",
"Same here. But i learned my very first game you don’t necessarily need expertise to get far, so long as you have the right friends",
"(Translation from french: i played like an idiot but had a very smart ally propping me up)",
"Wow russia must really trust you",
"Or is sevastopol some kind of gift?",
"Not sure, didn't really discuss build with him.",
"Have you and austria talked at all? Some things italy said makes me think they may be collaborating",
"After he took Bulgaria off of me? I'm sure he and Italy are trying to work together.",
"Well just keep I/A out of the aegean and they’re no threat to the anatolian. Wanted to warn you, though, not to bank on I shifting units back west to defend the homeland, because i made a deal with I to back off in exchange for tunisia.",
"are you going to actually back off?",
"Doing so allows me to devote more resources to England/germany, who are more pressing threats to me right now, don’t you agree?",
"No. I think England and Germany are at each other's throats and if I were you, I would balance that power (make sure neither wins out) and consolidate gains against Italy. It takes naval superiority (or a unit behind munich) to break through into Germany. You can hold a stalemate line with 2 armies, which you have.",
"also, with England having two armies on the island, there's no way you're taking a dot. And with only two fleets, there's no way he's attacking you.",
"Do you think given this situation that Italy won’t actually believe our deal is credible, and will actually send a unit or two back to defend?",
"I would. But, I also would have instead of just letting France into a position of power. You have an advantage, press it.",
"Truth be told, that was always my plan. I just didn’t want to say so to you in case you turned around and told italy not to trust me. But you’ve made me see that that ruse is already flimsy at best.",
"Plus, i guess it’s in your interest to tell italy i plan to reneg whether i’ve actually said as much to you or not",
"Not to be callous ... but we receive a larger split of the prize money the fewer players make it to the draw. Can you maybe not make us all have to band together and preserve the smaller powers just to stop your solo threat? Maybe work with Russia against Germany and let me make some gains against Italy and Austria while you finish off Italy and gut England? It’s not A LOT of money, but since there’s no prize for board top, we might as well maximize our gains.",
"I’m not doing this for the money. I don’t play this game much, and in fact I’ve never won. So I’m gonna try to this time if it’s all the same to you",
"Ok, so ... it's 1903. The game ends in 1910. Let's re-visit this at the end of 1905? Can we agree on that?\n\nAlso, part of playing Diplomacy is playing to the scoring system - which in this case is all surviving players have an equal share of the draw. So, if you're not going to win outright, winning is having the smallest draw possible. So, in a way, I am offering you a chance to have the best possible win? Maybe?",
"I...never realized before...that it was possible to mansplain over text",
"You said you don't play this game much, why should I assume you're familiar with scoring systems when you claim cupidity? It's pretty disingenuous on your part to claim inexperience and then accuse me of speaking down to you (based on your gender) when I explain something.",
"Good luck with your solo try. I guess. You've got a long way to go, though you've got a pretty good head start.",
"I’m sorry—I shouldn’t have snapped. When I said I didn’t play much, I hadn’t meant to imply that I didn’t know how the game worked. But I can see now how that’s a fair assumption.",
"Well, you clearly know how to play the game. Sometimes players are a little slower on the uptake when it comes to scoring systems - both lady and gentlemen players. There are far too few lady players in the hobby and I would hate to have done or said anything to turn one off from playing. I do sympathize, however - I've seen the bullshit that ladies have to put up with to play board games sometimes. I usually call attention to it to ridicule the person doing it and was a little sensitive when I got accuse of doing it myself.",
"Well, now I can at least say that apologizing works better in diplomacy 🙂 . \nAnd I’ll keep what you’re saying in mind come ‘05",
"All fleets, huh? Where do you think you're going in the South?",
"Better be careful, though ... you lose one dot down there and the whole thing can collapse like a house of cards. Do I convoy? Do I go for Tunis? Do I try to slip into TYR? Do I just let you dislodge me? So many options!",
"Is this taunting somehow strategic or just for fun?",
"Taunting? I think you really need to grow a thicker skin.",
"Thanks for the advice. You really need to grow a bigger fleet",
"If four fleets aren’t enough, I’m doing something wrong.",
"I’m not getting any of Italy. And that’s ok. 🤷♂️",
"So when are you planning to turn on your friend russia then?",
"Probably not. We need to become a Germany before you take all his dots too.",
"Look at us. We could run this map if we’d just put aside our differences and work together. C’mon, where’s your christmas spirit?",
"I’m all about the spirit of giving, but I’m not gifting you a solo.",
"Also, because you keep sending fleets south, I had to reallocate the stab F Black Sea to defense against you.",
"Don’t you go pointing fingers when you were the one who just haaaad to have the ionian",
"Alright, I don’t feel this is a productive dialogue.",
"Speak for yourself this is the most entertained i’ve ever been in an airport terminal",
"You clearly are not at the bar.",
"Sultan, dear...I know we’ve had our differences in the past, but when i look at this map it’s just so clear to me that you and I are destined to rule it together!\nWe could probably take out our weaker allies before the clock runs out, and wouldn’t that be so much *easier* than just butting our heads against each other for god-knows-how-long?",
"Let me have some of Italy. I’ll use those builds to go after Russia. And that’s a look you in the eye, hand on heart, mother’s grave promise.",
"I am willing to do that but my only hesitation is that you clearly don’t *need* the extra builds to go after russia; they’ve left most of their dots wide open to you. Am I missing something? Or is this about balancing power with me?",
"There is definitely a power balance element.",
"But I'm only at 8. I need 4 fleets defending against you, plus 2 armies to ensure that I hold Trieste. I also have a unit on the front line with Germany. That leaves literally one unit, A CON, that is available to do anything anti-Russian, and it literally can't reach a Russian center this year. However, if I get 2 builds off of Italy, they become two armies and wham, bam, I'm in UKR and ARM and he's fucked.",
"So, I need for Russia to be the only one on the line with Germany and that army that's in Bohemia to be in Venice . Your call, but you can easily fall back and make a stalemate line in Tunis with your fleets that I can't crack. MAR S PIE, GoL S TUS, WES S TYR, TUN S TYR, TUS H, TYR H. \n\nHowever, even with this, you're still a threat to solo. I would need to get Munich or STP, otherwise you've got a path to a solo. So yeah, we need to balance of power this. Maybe you also vacate Tunis to take the solo off the table. I know that you want to get a solo victory, so i understand if you decide that this isn't the path you want to take. But, if you're genuine about you and me two-waying this thing - i've laid out the path.",
"In principle i’m not against our balancing power, nor am I fixated on soloing, but hear me out on this: unless I go barrelling into tyrolia—which I won’t and you’d have at least two turns of warning if i did—you only need trieste to hold trieste. If you build an army in smyrna (on the pretense of convoying it somewhere) then you can walk into sevastopol next year. As an initial stab you will almost certainly be able to take Vienna with bohemia and trieste, followed by budapest with help from albania having moved to serbia. That’s russia down to two dots and you up to 11 with nary a cession from me. Meanwhile germany would be fending me off, so you’d not have to worry about german attacks on old-austria. \nI’m still pretty inexperienced at this game, so if there’s some obvious issue here i’m not seeing just tell me. But surely you can understand my hesitance to give up so much without first seeing any proof of loyalty from you.",
"Thank you for the honest response. So, I'm more experienced than you - didn't say better player - and I've seen a lot of games. You're at 12 and the 6 you need for a solo you have relatively easily (if we don't work together on the other side of the board). EDI, HOL, and - with the fleets you have available - DEN, SWE, NOR, and STP. That's assuming no gains in mainland germany. So, this means that Germany and Russia are going to need to work together in the north to stop you - which I'm willing to allow, unless you let me take the Italian dots. \n\nAlso, I've already built A CON. We're in Spring moves.",
"Wow that was a short winter! But with all three italian dots plus bud, ven, sev, (all attainable by you in two years if i hand over italy) all *you’ll* need to solo is the remains of russia and one other dot. And italy isn’t exactly splittable, not with you and me so flush with fleets. \n...how about this: we illustrate our commitment this spring by each overtly stabbing our allies and making no moves against each other or into the ionian. Then in fall I’ll let you into venice and start moseying out of italy, and shift my focus northward. So you’d be pretty much guaranteed three dots this year and the remaining two italian dots next year, meanwhile I’ll be doing what I can to break even.",
"Ok. Bear in mind, for us to totally eliminate our allies, we’d both be at 17.",
"Deal still stands.",
"It absolutely does not you armenian genociding snake",
"From my perspective, it does. Give me Italy’s four and I’ll wipe out Russia.",
"No! You could have walked in but now you have to fight for it just like everybody else",
"And I’m not even gonna be rational about it. I’ll fight you extra hard out of spite",
"Why?",
"Why not try to get the best result possible? Why respond like a petulant child?",
"Like I said, I don’t really play this game much. I don’t see a path to victory with you *and* germany against me so I might as well just act to make sure your dishonesty goes unrewarded",
"What dishonesty?",
"I was straight up with you about those dots being conditional for me to attack Russia.",
"I made an offer in which you would get them, conditional on making a move against russia and not attacking me in spring. You said “ok” and then proceeded to not move against russia and to move against me instead. This gaslighting is actually vile",
"I’m literally as close as I could get with A Con. You don’t one dot stab someone, which was my only option.",
"Too little too late you hypocrite",
"And what about vienna?",
"We could have hashed this all out ahead of time. You wanted me deceived.",
"I’m not going to argue with you, it feels like I’m talking to someone who’s very immature. You can either move past it and try to maximize your result or you can hoist yourself by your own petard.",
"Well I already made my choice very clear. If you had apologized for lying instead of trying to act as if you hadn’t, I’d have respected you. Merry Christmas.",
"*gut.",
"I wasn’t going to one dot Russia. Now I am in position to take multiple dots off of Russia while you’re set to guy Germany.",
"I didn’t lie to you.",
"I said Ok.",
"🤷♂️ focus on making gains in the north, otherwise this conversation is totally moot. I’ll keep going for Italian dots but if I see you walking away, I’ll go after Russia. Which was my pitch a year ago.",
"Best of luck in your northern campaigns. Would be nice to see you either work with Germany to counter Russia, thus opening him up for a stab, or swallow Germany and reduce the draw size.",
"EDI and HOL are yours, probably. That’ll put you at 11 or 12, with more to gain. I really wish we had coordinated better regarding Italy, we could be racing towards a two-way right now. But a three way split, with no story powers, is quite the accomplishment in a timed round. You can be proud of it!",
"*stray powers.",
"Why don’t you focus on eliminating Germany? We’ve got three years left. I can’t get past Naples unless I get super lucky, and even then, I don’t think I can reach you.",
"As a reminder, we're being compensated to participate in a game where our language is being evaluated for honesty/dishonesty. It's pretty shitty that you've gone radio silent and pretty disrespectful to the organizer of the game. //\n\nI'm going to easily take Naples and might be able to grab Tunis when it's all said and done. But that's as far as I can go. Why don't you just walk away, build a defensible line, and focus on grabbing those 3-4 supply centers in the north?",
"which, as I recall, has been my pitch to you the past two weeks.",
"It would bother me too much to just roll over and let someone who has lied to me and, when confronted, gaslit about it rather than apologize get what they want. \nI would have been happy to accommodate you if you had reciprocated my honesty.",
"You have demonstrated remarkably thin skin this game. Success in Diplomacy relies on adjusting to the conditions of the current game state, reading the board, making reasonable requests based on the game state, not reading into other people's responses what you want to see versus what they probably mean, etc. I opened with pitching for a 3-way split from the get go. Literally in 1902 or 1903, and we said let's revisit it in 1907. You're the one who said that they wanted a solo, and then you get upset when I say \"ok\" when you ask me to do something that would give you the best chances of attaining it? GTFOH! \n\nI guess you can call that gaslighting. I call it applying years of experience and calling a spade a spade.\n\nMoving on, which is all I've been trying to do, you need - at most - one more fleet in the south beyond your MAR, TYS, and TUN - which I assume will be your Fleet in LVP headed south. That leaves your remaining seven units (didn't include the A PIE) to hold Russia in check and take Scandinavia. I'd be willing to NOT put any additional pressure on you in the South if that makes you feel more comfortable, but - in all honesty - your solo chance is done. Let's play for the best possible result moving forward, and that's a three-way with no remaining Germany.",
"You’re right that I should have read the board rather than reading what I wanted to into your response. That was a valuable lesson for me. Here’s one for you: you don’t always get what you want.\nI don’t care about an extra five dollars, so it makes no difference to me whether a stray power is left on the board—that’s your obsession. But frankly the more I hear from you the more I get the sense that you’re accustomed to controlling things and that makes the idea of inconveniencing you all the more appealing. Another skill involved in this game is, well, diplomacy and perspective taking—you found a thin-skinned player who is less serious about the game than you are, and rather than adjust your communication tactics accordingly you’ve succeeded in repeatedly pissing her off.",
"How about you play for your best result?",
"Jeeze it’s like talking to a wall! I keep telling you, for me that means not rewarding asshole behavior.",
"I haven't been an asshole. You're the one accusing me of lying and then trying to gaslight you. And acting as if my lying to you is somehow justifiable provocation for you to give both you and yourself an inferior result, when the point of this exercise is to see how people tell the truth or lie when trying to achieve an optimal result.",
"You're treating this as if it's some face-to-face tourney game and I just called you a lying b**** or this is an online game on webDip and I just called you something nasty in the forum. I've been respectful to you, obviously our 2-dimensional back-and-forth has not resulted in a lot of productive dialogue, but there aren't too many scenarios where Turkey and France work together long term. You've continually taken things I've written as personal attacks and obsessed on \"ok\" as some sort of long-term alliance that I stabbed you over.",
"Also, Germany threw his dots to Russia because he was pissed off at you. Clearly things worked out swimmingly between you and England, and Italy I'm sure was your best friend there at the end of the game. I, on the other hand, have had a game-long and productive partnership with my ally. Maybe, in all of this, I'm not the asshole? Maybe you take a long look in the mirror and, if being a good neighbor and telling the truth is how you judge assholeness in your book, consider what your neighbors had to say about you as they exited this game instead of the guy who said \"we can two way if you give me Italy\" and you said \"no, attack Russia and we'll split the dots\" and I replied with \"ok.\"",
"What it looks like to me is, you were planning on getting a solo in this game and things didn't work out the way you wanted them to. Instead of accepting this and going for your optimal result, you decided to get emotional and are now lashing out at the one person who's actually trying to engage you in dialogue and work out mutually beneficial results. And you're calling me names.",
"Unless we’re speaking very different dialects of english, “ok” means “yes”. No more and no less. I acted in accordance with an agreement I thought we had made, when I otherwise would have done more to defend against you. For you to act as if that doesn’t constitute a betrayal is ludicrous to me.\n\nI’m not saying i play this game like a patron saint. I lie and backstab just like anyone. The difference between you and me, besides our skill and experience level, is that when I betray someone i don’t turn around and act as if i haven’t. To me, that reeks of disrespect and makes me sick. Way more than getting called a name.",
"I'm generally an honest guy and genuinely interested in working with people to achieve mutually beneficial results. What I'm not good at, and clearly I need to improve on, is working with people who are thin-skinned. After my first go-around at this, and I was put into a game of Redditors who stopped talking to each other after 1902, I was told that I was being put into a pool of experienced players. I assumed, from the get-go, that you were actually an experienced player who was trying to make it sound like you weren't.",
"//there might actually be a dialect issue. \"A filler word is an apparently meaningless word, phrase, or sound that marks a pause or hesitation in speech. Also known as a pause filler or hesitation form. Some of the common filler words in English are um, uh, er, ah, like, okay, right, and you know.\" I type like I talk, and I often use 'ok' as a bridge or delaying word after someone has spoken and I then respond.//",
"//so, that's actually good feedback. I will refrain from using 'ok' when responding in this and other online forums. I honestly didn't think I had agreed to your suggestion and got defensive when you accused me of lying. I'm not suggesting that I pointedly said no or didn't let you think that I was considering it, but I didn't really consider myself as having agreed to it. Language is funny. And multiple uses of turns of phrases can take things in different directions ... and we've gone down a deep dark path that I don't think either of us are really enjoying.//",
"Anyway, I'd really like to move forward and spend the next few weeks pursuing the optimal result for both of us. And, after I take Naples, what would you like to see? No fleets pushed up into Tuscany and Piedmont? I can do that if it makes you feel more comfortable. I think if you made a mistake or two or guessed wrong in 1910, I might be able to steal Tunis. But, I find it incredibly unlikely. So, I'll hold the line here if that's ok with you.",
"I don’t really believe your spiel about the use of “ok”, but i do appreciate you actually acknowledging the issue instead of pretending it didn’t exist. Thank you. \n\nBut frankly, what better thing do you have to do with your units right now than defend or mount an offensive against me? If you’re not going to turn on russia, you have quite successfully hemmed yourself in. \nI can’t really even divert more resources to the north, since as you acknowledge I need those fleets for a defensive line in the med. so it’s not as if detenting with you would allow me to divert more units toward eliminating germany. Why is this so important to you? The only consequence I can see is plus or minus three italian dots.",
"Because, I’m still committed to obtaining our optimal results. So, I’m asking what it would take for you not to overcommit to the south?",
"I don’t know if I’m dealing with a rational or emotionally irrational negotiation partner here and I’m trying to appease both sides without lying about taking Naples!",
"It looks to me like between me and russia, germany’s northern holdings are pretty much toast even if I do at least try to take back my boot. Esp. If there’s any chance russia would collaborate with me up there. \nDoes it matter how many dots each winning player personally has in a multiway draw? If it’s already established that you, me, and russia are the winners with no strays, what harm is there in you and me duking it out just to keep the game interesting?",
"What I was/am trying to avoid is a scenario in which you (a) work with Germany and (b) send way more strength to the Med than you can actually use. I was concerned, since I had continually offended you, that you were going to go full-on spite against me! Since it would appear that you're not going to do that, ok. As iron sharpens iron, I will fight you in the Med over the remaining dots! Perhaps we'll both learn something! And while I was genuinely willing to hold what I currently have, I will tell you the truth that I am going to continue the attack!",
"You were never fooling anyone with that con fleet",
"Bring it on",
"Where do you think F CON is headed?",
"Not my job to tell you how to play old man 😜",
"So, interesting little problem. How many fleets can Turkey even bring to bear? How many do I actually need? Does F CON heading towards France actually make a difference or is it better off being held in reserve for potential gains against Russia?",
"And in answer to your earlier question, in this scoring system - it's Draws Involve All Survivors (DIAS) and there's no difference in how many supply centers you have.",
"I mean there’s absolutely no reason to turn on Russia now, and you could conceivably marshal your fleets to get past my line as it presently stands...but maybe you’d rather just relax a little these next three years? Enjoy your miles and miles of coastline?",
"Why on earth didn’t you go to Burgundy? Was that a misorder?",
"More of an oversight. I’m experiencing a certain amount of jetlag",
"That’s understandable. I figured it was a bit of a mistake. And you mentioned that you’ve never solo’d before - having a lot of units doing a lot of things can get confusing.",
"Where were you flying? Some place cool?",
"Hey, are you in?",
"Hey brother. Good job in Italy!",
"Are you and Russia going to work together to eliminate Germany? Or, at least, not work against each other?",
"Have you two figured out how to finish off Germany?",
"Also, Germany needs to be at zero or he gets a part of the draw. It would almost be better to make sure you guarantee Sweden rather than ensure the perfect defense from Russia.",
"Hi I'm so sorry to have been ignoring you--my phone stopped sending me discord notifications for absolutely no reason! I should have figured you would have been sending me messages, but I was busy with travel things. \n\nI'm moving into sweden in the fall and changing my settings to 3 way draw",
"Good game. I found you frustrating to work with and negotiate with, most likely because you're a good player who wouldn't bend to my will. 🙂 I look forward to seeing you on a game board again.",
"Thanks, Turkey. Good game to you as well! I'll admit that I was probably more insufferable than was strictly strategic...I hope you'll think of it as a character-building experience 😉",
"Do you do face-to-face at all? I find the best way to improve my communication is by playing in person.",
"I’ve never done it, but I’d like to!"
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"Hi there! Not sure we have much to talk about but I figured I would reach out.",
"Yeah for sure! How’s it going Italy?",
"Not bad, I’ve heard from everyone but Austria, hbu?",
"I’ve heard from a few players. Don’t have much to discuss with Turkey at this point lol. I’ve had a fairly busy week so I haven’t been reaching out much.",
"I’m really excited for this game!",
"How’s it going in the West? Was that bounce in Bur arranged?",
"Yessir!",
"Curious about the alliances over there... I’d be willing to exchange information",
"Yeah for sure",
"Happy to tell you what I know",
"So what’s it looking like",
"Idk really know that truth tbh",
"Ive spoken to a lot the players in my theatre but I don’t know who trust. I might be able to get a better picture based on what they told you.",
"I haven’t heard much from england, France told me they’re staying neutral until they know who they can trust, and that they have an idea of who but they won’t tell me who. His main worry is keeping you guys from joining up against him.",
"Yeah that makes sense. I feel like France. Both him and England have reached out. I think it’s kind of a three way diplomatic stalemate for the moment",
"Anything you have heard about my side?",
"No to be honest :/. My communication with Austria and Turkey has been minimal. I am down to try to chat them up if I can be helpful to you.",
"Not sure how much luck you would have, you’re welcome to try though. Austria has not been talkative at all.",
"Yeah we’ve barely spoken! Well I’m glad you’re responsive. I am so so so much more likely to help and ally with talkative players than players who kinda ghost.",
"I know right, despite that I’m trying to ally with Austria. Fighting them doesn’t usually end up well for me when I play as Italy.",
"Yeah that’s fair. I was Germany in my last game, never fought with Italy once. We had a pretty good relationship and I ended up allying with them in the late game.",
"Always nice to have the option! I have no clue who I hope to ally with so far.",
"Yeah same.",
"Oh dear",
"What’s wrong? Was england not supposed to do that?",
"No sir lol",
"What is your relationship with France like?",
"Well it was supposed to be good but they just moved their fleet to the SC of Spain, which seems unnecessary",
"Why?",
"Also what are your thoughts on Russia?",
"Mostly just curiousity",
"Seems like a good dude",
"I’m pretty sure France and England are gonna go for you. I mentioned to him that he could help you out in the north as that would benefit me (I like you and don’t want France getting too big)",
"Did he say anything?",
"What have your conversations with France been like? Do you think France is allied with England?",
"Yes I do, I am negotiating him getting that fleet out of Spain and he said he has to clear it with england.",
"Yikes",
"Yeah so you’re in trouble, have you heard from russia or Austria?",
"Yeah been talking to Russia. Austria, only a little",
"Is russia gonna help or nah",
"We’ll see",
"Hey Italy! How’s it going?",
"Some good some bad as I think you can see. Austria was being uncooperative so it was nice to coordinate a little hit on them. Unfortunately France got a little bold.",
"Yes that is unfortunate. It seems to me that France and England are in lock step.",
"I wanted to ask what your plans for that army in Tyr are",
"Well with the French being aggressive I might have to support Ven holding (after I build) otherwise it’ll probably be attacking Austria.",
"Is France asking you about attacking England? He told me he would and I was curious whether or not he’s being honest",
"Yes he asked me!!",
"Can I trust him?",
"He has been extremely untrustworthy this game. I would recommend trying to work with him, but protect yourself as much as you can. Don’t trust him in any places where it makes you vulnerable.",
"But negotiating peace/an attack on England can’t hurt",
"Not saying to betray him at all, he has been a fantastic ally that I would love to end the game with but we should keep an eye on Russia’s growth",
"Yeah I’m totally with you. Russia says he wants a three way victory with me you and him. I think the best thing we can do is build to parity",
"Exactly, France is gonna try and get us to break off, I’m good staying with russia for now though",
"Agreed.",
"If he helps me with turkey and Austria and actually gives me supply centers then I will have enough that he can’t really stab both of us. Which is the point he made. If he’s gonna go for a solo we will know this year",
"I think our best bet is to ride this out, take Russia at his word, but be prepared to work together if he turns on one of us.",
"Sounds great",
"Lol",
"Is france trying to recruit you?",
"Yes, he said “we need to do something about Russia”",
"Yeah I’m playing along with him right now, I’m supposed to be convincing you that France is trustworthy",
"Lolololololol",
"He hasn’t even convinced me that he’s trustworthy so I don’t know why he thinks I would do that 😂",
"Yeah he’s a real champ",
"He’s been so annoying all game",
"And he wants me to ally with Austria and turkey, who have both already stabbed me this game",
"Yes, just as France has also support england in stabbing me.",
"He knows he’s kinda beat. With Russia’s support, France will be worn down over the next few years.",
"Yeah he picked a bad ally and then that ally quit, I’ll be turning to crush him once we deal with the East",
"Amen. I’m hoping to take many of his supply centers to establish some parity. I think the best thing we can do to keep the alliance strong is make sure we’re all about the same size.",
"Yeah that was the only reason I got a little worried is because he’s now doubled us",
"Hey Italy good looks!! Looks like england, Austria and turkey are virtually toast.",
"Hey Italy! Wanted to check in and say hi! Things seem to being going really well for our alliance!",
"Yeah I agree! I still wanna make sure that France doesn’t become a threat, russia is playing nice",
"Russia is been good to me, I’m still weary of a stab",
"How’s it going Italy?! wanted to check in",
"Pretty good! I’ll be heading toward France here",
"Epic. Let’s carve them up.",
"How are you feeling about Russia",
"Good, he’s been nice to me and has continued to support me",
"Yeah I still trust him and feel good about the alliance",
"Me too",
"I think when Turkey is officially eliminated we be able to get France to surrender",
"Yeah he’s just starting to break",
"And HAPPY NEW YEAR! Cheers to the Russia-Germany-Italy alliance!",
"Happy new year!!",
"I will support Pic to Bre and set my win condition to three way win",
"Sounds great Italy! Thanks for being such a great ally!",
"You as well, good game!"
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"Hi there! I know you will not be inclined to trust me but I am not a fan of attacking Austria immediately as Italy. As such I hope we can work together. I’ll be playing pretty safe until I have a grasp of the board. Have you heard from anyone yet?",
"Hello Italy. I would be fine with being friendly. How would you suggest we prove said friendliness to each other? I am on the late side of messaging so I have received a few messages.",
"I will hold Ven, I’m assuming you would hold Tri. If you trust me enough to move out of Tri then I’d move out of Ven when I see it in the fall. But that takes trust on your part.",
"What have you heard from Russia and Turkey?",
"not much from Russia. I am currently speaking with Turkey",
"Let me know how those go, are you negotiating the Balkans?",
"trying to figure out how to deal with all of that yes",
"if we are to be at peace, i would suggest Tyr remains a neutral territory between the two of us. If you move there I will assume you do not have the friendliest of intents.",
"That sounds great to me, agreed.",
"agreed",
"Has there been any discussion over Gre?",
"we haven't... I am planning to take Greece. you should take Tunis. Any thoughts on next season and how we can work together?",
"Not yet, are you and russia on good enough terms that you feel comfortable?",
"so far. we kept Gal neutral which is as we discussed. So, so far seems fine.",
"I’m fine with holding our armies at Ven and Tri as long as you want since I’m more sea based, however i feel like you will want to move out of there at some point. Do you want to try and resolve that?",
"I am open to your ideas. If we sit forever we are just wasting a units movement",
"I need my build this season, so vacating Ven and trusting you to not take it is too big of a risk for me. Right now you could stab me without any consequence to yourself, so I have to view me having Ven as a protection against that. You may have a different opinion, but I don’t see you as being in the same boat. Even if you vacate Tri and I take it (which I won’t) you would still get a build and I would end up being stuck fighting you without much momentum. So I propose that you move out of Tri first and when I see that you can’t take Ven, then I will move out of Ven.",
"I realize this is a risk for you so if you have a counter plan or just don’t like the idea I understand.",
"I will think on this. Regardless I will not attack Ven",
"And I will not attack Tri",
"I appreciate the trust, however we will be stuck in the same position assuming you build back into Tri",
"Would you like to coordinate an attack on turkey for this year?",
"I am open to your ideas, though I would prefer trying to find a way to work against France though I need to think of ideas on that. Let me know what your idea is and we can go from there, meanwhile I will also try to think of ideas",
"Russia is planning on supporting Germany against France and England, if you did so as well that would slow them down. You could use your two Balkan units to help us against Turkey. We could get you Bul and help you keep it. I have some ideas for move combinations if you agree",
"What makes you worried about France?",
"well.. neither France nor England went into the English Channel. That leads me to believe they are working together. So, if that is correct there are only 2 directions for france to go. through germany or south through you.",
"Gotcha, would you be interested in coordinating an attack on Turkey?",
"what do you suggest. also what did you think about what I said about France",
"?",
"France has messaged me to tell me that there is tension that he think he has diffused with you. I have played this game enough to not believe him. as I said, why would he leave you alone. his placement seems certain that he is friendly with England. I guess we will see after spring, but I would be careful there",
"Yeah France and I are in negotiations that I hope are genuine, but I will be playing cautious. I do not trust France at all, and if what they told me is true then England is wearing the pants in their alliance.",
"Russia has a solid plan to hurt Turkey, it’s gonna take some trust on your part though. We need you to hold off on taking Bul. If you feel like you need to take it though then go for it.",
"It looks like turkey and Russia are allied...",
"to the detriment of turkey... they didn't want to listen and they put themselves in such a bad space. I think the person playing Turkey does not understand this game. I gave them a solid plan and instead they gave up the black sea... o well.",
"How do you want to handle the situation?",
"im not sure. meanwhile I warned you about France and he has moved his fleet into Gold of Lyo... what do you think he is doing with that fleet? it cant be to help you.",
"ug.. this is a mess now in the south",
"do you want me to support your fleet into the agean?",
"also.. if i were you you should send your army in tunis up to tuscany. he will probably try to take pie this turn",
"Yeah that support would be good",
"Also France and I agreed to that move because we were in negotiations, now negotiating him out.",
"You might be able to get a free SC at Warsaw, I guess you could just overpower Rum too he doesn’t have much to defend against you",
"I hope you are right with France. I will support your fleet into AEG should you chose to go there",
"I’d be willing to negotiate a cease fire"
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"Hi there! As probably the weakest nation I have always felt that Italy can benefit from having Russia as a friend, and that it can be mutually beneficial. Do you have any initial thoughts going into the game?",
"I fully agree. Russia's well served by a friend in Italy as well. I'm primarily concerned with which proverbial horse I'm going to back in the inevitable Austria vs. Turkey rumble. What do you think?",
"I’d personally favor Austria.",
"For now I tend to agree. Austria can become a thorn later on but Turkey's an immediate threat.",
"Sounds good, hopefully Austria and I can reach an agreement. You vouching for me and not hitting Gal would help.",
"I've reached out to them but they're yet to respond. I'll tell them about it as soon as I get a response.",
"Yeah I havnt heard back yet either",
"Have you talked to Turkey yet?",
"I have yes, we've essentially agreed to bounce in the black sea and we've talked about fighting the Austrians. Still no word from the Austrians on my end about possibly fighting the Turks.",
"What about Rum? I’m trying to figure out if I can snag Gre, I doubt I can if you’re getting Rum though.",
"I'm going to be moving into Rum on the second turn with the army from Warsaw.",
"Got it",
"So you'll likely be doing a Lepanto right? (Assuming that the Austrians ever speak to you of course)",
"I’m not really sure, Lepanto’s are kind of risky. Plus turkey thinks I’m going to which makes it pretty ineffective. And yeah I need to hear from Austria. What do you think the odds of me being able to land Gre are?",
"With Austrian support the Turks wouldn't be able to stop you, but it all really depends on them. If you get the Turks to think you'll be on their side you might be able to get them to support your landing, but that's a long-shot.",
"Because getting to 5 would be nice, I would actually have some options. But yeah we need contact from Austria.",
"Yeah, the more time goes on the more I'm thinking of playing along with the Turks for at least long enough to dismantle them, but I really really don't want to do that.",
"Yeah hopefully we hear from Austria soon just so that there are options for everyone (including Turkey)",
"Yeah, them being AFK really forces a scramble for their territory.",
"I’m guessing they aren’t actually AFK and have just not gotten on the discord yet. Although this is strange.",
"If they do end up going AFK I would have to assume we would restart the game",
"I certainly hope so, the game's never as interesting with one nation DOA.",
"Any news on Austria?",
"They just responded to my message, no big breakthrough but at least they're alive.",
"Yeah same, gonna work on staying peaceful",
"We agreed to leave Galicia empty, but the way they worded it makes me feel kinda on-edge about it. Hopefully they don't do anything that'll derail everything.",
"We’re leaving Tyr open, he must be planning on going after Turkey then",
"Regardless, even if he does try something funny, I'll be in a position to counter it. Hopefully it's as you said.",
"I will be too, not leaving Ven until he isn’t an immediate threat",
"Solid choice, no reason to move it unless the French start getting funny ideas.",
"Which I doubt, that attack never works",
"Yeah, it always leaves them too open to attack by the other two members of the Western Triple.",
"Turkey is responding to Austria but hasn’t responded to me, something to keep an eye on",
"Well, if the Austrians were willing to tell you that then it's a good sign about whether or not we've got the Austrians on our side at the very least. Then again, if they're talking to each other it's bad news for me.",
"If they both went after you I’d probably intervene",
"It would be too good of an opportunity",
"There'd be plenty of openings for you to exploit, that's for sure, lol",
"Exactly",
"God Germany had me so goddamn worried about getting bounced in Sweden and they didn't even twitch toward Denmark this turn ffs",
"Better than a potential bounce, I might try to find out what the alliance situation is in the western theatre. It looks like turkey might be scared of a Lepanto with his hold.",
"He is, I'm communicating with him consistently, keeping him unaware that I'm not on his side. He's going to move to Armenia to build a fleet in Smyrna and he's going to pivot the Ankara fleet to Constantinople so that it can leave.",
"Thank you for the information, I suppose I’ll be needing to propose an attack on them with Austria then",
"Any word on if the Austrians are letting you have Greece?",
"I’ll ask right now",
"Are you getting much from Austria? They don’t seem very chatty",
"Austria is gonna take Gre",
"Well that sucks. Not much to be done about it though.",
"And yeah, I haven't gotten much from Austria at all. Just a single volley of messages that one time in the first season.",
"I just heard back from them again, they still trust you regarding Gal.",
"Very good, though at this point they kinda have to.",
"So what are your thoughts on Turkey? They will have 4 units after this year, and possibly be in BLA",
"As long as the three of us (You, me, and to a lesser degree Austria) stay together, we can take them easily no matter how good their positioning.",
"Do you want to start moving after this season then?",
"Yes, I'll be making a move on them in the first season of the new year.",
"We can try to coordinate with Austria but it’ll probably be hard.",
"I'm communicating with them as much as I can.",
"It might be better to leave them out of it, not sure if we can trust them",
"Yeah, the move to Vienna definitely indicates that they intend to build a fleet.",
"Yeah, we have an arrangement where he moves out of Tri and I would move out of Ven when I saw that, however he’s gonna build right back into Tri so that’s a problem.",
"What are your thoughts on Germany?",
"Well, they seem like they're about to have a hard time if France and Britain are combined against them, which it seems they are.",
"I was thinking about trying to become friendly with them, since France is not looking that friendly right now. Speaking of- do you think that I should be worried about that fleet going to the south coast of Spain? (plus they will be building in Mar)",
"You probably should. I've currently got a working relationship with the Germans but I'm thinking of upgrading it to a full-on alliance given the France-Britain alliance that's unfolding.",
"I was going to propose that you send a fleet or something over to help him against england.",
"We’re on the same page 😂",
"Well, if you want to help out you could always start putting light pressure on them, not enough to provoke a reaction before we're finished with the Turks but enough to keep them from being able to full-focus the Germans",
"Not sure what we get from Germany on this other than that england and France don’t get too big too fast.",
"Eh, we keep the French and British from growing out of control while we take Turkey out, then once we're ready we can cannibalize them I reckon.",
"I don’t know how much I can dedicate to both Turkey and France though. I’m assuming we will want both my fleets on Turkey.",
"Probably just an army to Pie",
"Of course, Turkey needs to be destroyed ASAP, but even a slight distraction counts.",
"The only problem being that once Turkey's gone, traditionally Austria starts either looking West or East for their next target, and we're on either side of that.",
"At this point I think I’d trust you enough to say this, and if I can’t then I’m probably screwed either way. But I think we should look to eat turkey up toward the end of our turkey campaign or else immediately after.",
"They are not a reliable communicator and my armies need to go somewhere",
"I was wondering how to broach that subject myself. I am absolutely in support, I think that we should limit Austria's gain to Bulgaria and once we've got Turkey on the ropes, turn and eliminate them as fast as possible so we can both pivot to the west.",
"That sounds good to me, hopefully he is responsive enough that he is useful against Turkey",
"As for how to split the Austria/Turkey gains we'll make, how's this sound?\nYou: Trieste, Smyrna, Serbia, Greece, and Bulgaria\nMe: Constantinople, Ankara, Vienna, and Budapest",
"Constantinople of course so that my fleet can get out and contribute in the Med",
"That sounds great.",
"Have you proposed the thing to Germany, I’ll vouch for you unless you don’t want you and I working together to be too public",
"I'd already agreed to help them by taking Norway and deploying my fleets to fuck with the Brits, I figure that as long as we keep cooperating along those lines then that's effectively an alliance, no need to be all formal about it. The two of you should definitely start to closely cooperate though.",
"France made some interesting choices with that build. Normally building fleets in the north would be something that puts the British deeply on edge.",
"Yeah I’m kinda confused, glad they didn’t build a fleet in Mar too.",
"I’m still gonna play cautious",
"Even so, if they move precisely right they can guarantee that the German fleet in Belgium doesn't survive.",
"Yeah it’s not looking great for my guy germany over there, he’s gonna need some help.",
"Well, they can't kill the fleet in Belgium and keep Norway at the same time, but then again, if the Germans do as I asked they wouldn't be able to do either even if they prioritized Norway. Germany may not have the upper hand but they still have a decent position.",
"Yeah I’m gonna message england about that fleet in Bre and see what he says",
"I think he anticipates me coming for Norway and that's the reason that he built a fleet in Edinburgh.",
"Well we will see, if France moves that fleet in Spain back into the mid Atlantic (which would confuse me) things are gonna get messy.",
"Maybe they figure that they can get to the British when they're out of position and grab up the majority of the supply centers before anyone can stop them?",
"Yeah I really don’t know what people are thinking over there, I’ve tried to get a feel for the alliances (even by offering to exchange info) but haven’t been able to crack them. According to germany, england was not supposed to do what they did (fairly obvious). It is possible that we have misread things though and england acted on their own. France did tell me they want to stay neutral until they trust someone. England sneak attacking Germany could have scared France, leading to the fleet build. This is obviously speculative though",
"England slipped up with their language at one point and told me that they don't trust the French to *stay* allied with them if they don't keep them in check",
"Just got that from England as well. He says he views the fleet as aggressive and unnecessary, and that France says they are *still* allies despite this. He is angry with France though so he told me that France is planning on attacking me with that mini force.",
"Excellent, I'll work on the French to try and drive that wedge deeper.",
"Should I hold off on messaging France? Wouldn’t be the worst thing to make them think I’m oblivious.",
"They started playing their cards very close to their chest with me though so I don't know if they trust me anymore. If you can get them off guard as far as your skill goes I can definitely see that going to your advantage.",
"I *definitely* don't like that the Austrians decided to build a fleet in Trieste. That doesn't indicate trust worthiness.",
"Any chance at least one of your armies will be heading down to keep Austria honest?",
"I wish that I had the armies to spare but with the Brits displaying some amount of suspicion I don't know if I can afford to have any fewer than 3 units up there.",
"Hey, weird pitch, are you alright if I let slip to the French that the Brits might have given away some of their plans regarding you? It has a lot of potential to drive a wedge into that alliance.",
"Yeah that’s fine with me, I’d like to keep France away from me. I’m kind of worried about France and Austria teaming up on me, there wouldn’t be much I can do",
"Hopefully the revelation that their plans have been revealed will keep them off your back.",
"That sounds great, I messaged Austria about going after Turkey, he said that he is interested but is more worried about France. That is reassuring to me though. Maybe you could reach out and try to figure out how we could do both?",
"There's not much I can do about France without dealing with the British first, but the best thing that we could do for the time being is see to it that the Turks are eliminated.\n\nOn that note, I'm working a deep subterfuge with the Turks. This turn I'm going to support them to hold in Bulgaria while my fleet moves -with their consent no less- into the Black Sea; in fall I plan to convoy my army from Rumania to Constantinople; from there we can annihilate them completely, hopefully within the third year.",
"That sounds great, by the way you have successfully pissed off france, he sent me a long message about how I will not be attacked and that I should trust him",
"Excellent, driving that wedge deeper as we speak. Need them to decide that I'm a better partner than the British.",
"Sounds great, I’m still not sure about France so keep working on France to convince them not to attack me either",
"Test message, I’m not getting the thumb option",
"Weird, wasn’t working when I messaged england",
"Yeah, it messes up from time to time. The French have assured me emphatically that they never had any plans to attack you to begin with, and have indicated a temptation to make a rush at Liverpool if I advance the front in Scandinavia.",
"Interesting, does not seem like a solid alliance. We are working on demilitarizing the Mediterranean so that I I don’t have to be worried",
"I'm going to keep up the temptations, but I think that I've pushed hard enough at them for this season at least.",
"Hopefully I can trust France after this",
"One can certainly hope, in any case you'll be in decent position to counter them if they make a move toward you.",
"Yeah unless austria does too, but I doubt that",
"Austria seems earnest at the very least, but the glut of units they have that have to sit sedentary certainly puts me on edge.",
"Yeah I was hoping to coordinate an attack with them, but I don’t know now",
"Destroying Turkey would be faster if they took Bulgaria in Fall, but I don't want to give them another build that has to sit around doing nothing.",
"I was thinking about going ION -> AEG and NAP -> ION, I would go into EAS but I have a feeling Turkey will move there. Do you have any idea what their moves are from your spying?",
"Yeah if they don’t take it it isn’t the end of the world",
"I desperately need the Turkish move into the Aegean to not bounce so that I can convoy an army to Constantinople. I believe that they intend to move both fleets out at the same time, but I know for fact that they want to move into the Aegean with the fleet in Constantinople at the very least. I'd recommend bouncing the Eastern Med and moving the fleet in Naples out to the Tyrrhenian Sea so that if the French do move toward you you're in better position to stop it.",
"Sorry, I had intended to make move recommendations and tell you what Turkey's plan was at the point where I told you that I was going to move an army to Constantinople but apparently I completely failed to do that.",
"Okay that’s fine, as long as things will work",
"Unless the Turks catch on it should work like a charm.",
"Sounds great, I may not move into the Tyrr just because of an agreement I made with France",
"Fair, I'm just concerned that the agreement was only so that you wouldn't move while they put themselves into position.",
"Yeah I’ll keep an eye on it",
"The Austrians are expressing doubt about my plan, I'm concerned that they think I'm proposing something that'll get them double-crossed. They're impatient for Bulgaria.",
"That’s understandable, I’ll see what they say to me",
"I'm mostly worried that they'll act alone or worse, make a move on me.",
"I don’t think so, they’re a lot more worried about this France thing for some reason",
"I can't imagine why, there's an entire Switzerland between the two of them.",
"I know I don’t get it",
"Austria's gone rogue.",
"Goddamnit they're going to ruin the entire offensive.",
"Standby for possible drastic shift in allegiances.",
"Yeah Austria is dumb",
"How do you feel about shifting our plans to attack the Austrians instead?",
"I was going to ask you the same thing",
"You should start communicating with them, I've gotten them to agree to let you have Greece, you should talk to them about convoying there",
"As in talk to turkey?",
"Right yeah, if you hadn't started already I mean.",
"Will do, I have to figure out my France thing too",
"Yeah, it's not looking very much like a DMZ over there.",
"We both agreed to move into those because we weren’t sure what to do yet",
"Sounds like the French are trying to maneuver themselves into some kind of position while feigning indecision.",
"Yeah I’m having him move out before I do",
"Good idea.",
"It’d be good for me to get a build here though so that I can support myself",
"Do you think it’s too risky to go Ven -> Tyr",
"Nah, if you can take the Austrians by surprise and nab two supply centers at once, so much the better, especially since you could immediately build in venice after that.",
"Tyr isn’t a supply center",
"Thhhbt got it mixed up with Trieste in my head; still, if you succeed to take Greece it'd be a hugely powerful play",
"Plus he hasn’t attack Ven all game",
"Hopefully he doesn't take you for a turncoat",
"Yeah I’m gonna try and butter him up a little by saying I’m worried about you and turkey",
"Speaking of, I have a feeling turkey doesn’t like me, especially after that bounce. Are you sure he’ll support me into Gre?",
"I've given them the sweet talk about how it's all temporary and we'll kill you later blah blah so I think they're sufficiently convinced to do it.",
"Okay because me getting Gre doesn’t really leave him with anything of Austria",
"They've told me that they're willing to accept that so long as you're going to be an immediate target. Obviously I'm reassuring them as to that fact but intend ASAP to execute the plan that I had had in mind before Austria ruined my attack plan.",
"Because I think that plan was sweet and I'm pissed that I didn't get to do it.",
"Hahahaha it was sweet, austria should go down quick though. I’d say the only variables are if Turkey gets their fleet too far out it will slow me down and if France gets aggressive",
"With the builds I get from Austria, if all goes right, I should be able to crush Turkey with no more support from you than is necessary to claim your fair share of builds to use on the French front. Hopefully.",
"👍🏻",
"Also worried about if Turkey doesn’t play ball, but you have to take risks sometimes",
"Yeah, hopefully we go 2/3 for risky alliances. (The second successful case being the Germans thusfar.)",
"That’s my favorite part about the Italy/Russia alliance. It’s very mutually beneficial and doesn’t take much risk.",
"The only problem being that in the early game it's very difficult to mutually support",
"This is true",
"Soon enough we'll be able to though, hopefully.",
"Yeah if austria goes down",
"Oh my god, Austria has no idea how this game even works.",
"Apparently they betrayed me because \"They knew I was up to something because there's no way that they could have taken Bulgaria\" but... it's pretty obvious that they could, Greece goes to Bulgaria, Serbia supports, F Ionian breaks the Aegean's support. I'm so fucking frustrated.",
"That’s very annoying, who told you that austria?",
"The Austrians themselves told me that, yes.",
"I meant to say turkey",
"Ah, no, the Austrians themselves admitted that that's the reason they betrayed me last turn, they were talking about twenty minutes ago.",
"Turkey is being cagey about letting me into Gre, can you prod or at least find out if they’re gonna do it",
"Will do my best",
"They say yes, that that is the plan. Was a very brief message though.",
"Yeah he said he’s supporting me in",
"What’re your moves this round? Just curious how things are gonna work. I’ll share mine too if it makes you uncomfortable",
"Good good, and he's supporting the convoy from Tunis, yes?",
"Yes",
"I'm going to protect Warsaw and do everything I can to hold onto Rumania. I fed the Austrians some bullshit lines trying to get them to back off and focus on the Turkish threat, hopefully that'll work. Black Sea's going to support Rumania to hold and Ukraine's moving to Warsaw.",
"Yeah I have austria supporting me into the Aegean with Gre so that’ll be a wasted move",
"I’m gonna hold in TYS and move into Tyr",
"Good, can you get them to tell you what they'll be doing with the rest of their units? I need to know whether to defend Warsaw or Rumania.",
"I’m gonna try and get turkey to hit Ser to cut any potential support",
"Yeah I’ll ask",
"Thanks, I'll admit it's got me anxious.",
"Are you too worried about Rum to let Bul hit Ser to cut support?",
"Or do you think we don’t need to worry, he won’t support Gre holding",
"There's too many risks if you ask me. If the Austrians supported from Greece to Bulgaria we'd get Greece but the Turks would lose Bulgaria and we'd have a shit time. I don't think he'll try to support Greece holding.",
"Yeah I’m realizing that he won’t either.",
"Any specifics? The most important one is what he'll do with Galicia.",
"I’m thinking about going TYS to Tus, I don’t think France will move into TYS if they stab because they should expect me to hold. I’m guessing they would convoy or move into Tus and Pie right?",
"Yeah I haven’t heard back yet, I’m just guessing he won’t support Gre because he doesn’t have a reason to",
"That seems the most likely option, I think it's a good idea to do that. The French have the opportunity to ruin you completely if they manage to secure both.",
"Yeah I’m worried about that, not sure what else I can do other than send Ven to Pie but I wanna get moving on austria",
"The faster them and Turkey are destroyed the faster you can pivot completely toward the French. I just wish I could convince France that the English were a better option.",
"Yeah they’re pretty annoying",
"Just like the real French",
"Hey now, I happen to quite like the French in reality lol",
"Just messing around",
"I gotcha, the France in this game definitely has their general aloofness down pat for sure though",
"They’re very difficult to negotiate with. They are saying that me being in LYO is more risky for them than them being in TYS is for me",
"That's a stinking lie and they know it.",
"Exactly",
"France all of the sudden agreed, pretty suspicious",
"Extremely. Don't trust them.",
"Moving into Tus is a win win, either I’m prepared for the attack or we both move out of the spaces and the DMZ is active",
"Yea gods if only the Austrians hadn't been chief among morons we'd be in such a better spot.",
"This will be a big turn",
"Indeed, this is big make-or-break time.",
"Yeah we’re taking a lot of risks. France and Austria could attack me, Turkey could screw us up.",
"Hell, if the British get tricky again the Germans may not recover.",
"Yeah they’re worried about england holding Hol, otherwise england might not recover",
"Well if England fails to recover, we might have a shot at this yet.",
"It’ll be interesting",
"You have no idea how much information you can get from some people if you feign a willingness to betray an ally. The English have effectively handed the war in the north to me, if they're telling the truth, and if they aren't, it proceeds as normal anyways.",
"What’d they say???",
"With the \"promise\" to betray the Germans in a turn's time they've agreed to back away from St. Petersburg, told me a great deal of France's plans, and given me an opening to break through their fleets, if all goes according to plan.",
"And if they're lying, then nothing of value was lost.",
"So what’re france’s plans?",
"And nice work",
"I only got information as pertains to Germany unfortunately; they're allegedly not going to menace Munich but instead throw all their support against Belgium.",
"Nice, should help you and germany our!",
"Out!",
"I certainly hope so! Any blow struck against the British and French is a possible relief to you.",
"Yeah I’m really hoping France doesn’t hit me and I get Gre",
"That would be the ideal situation. I shudder to think of the worst-case this turn though.",
"I might have to stay up and see what happens",
"I have no choice but to either way, I'm busily researching for a big paper I have to write by the end of the week.",
"College?",
"Yeeeeep, it's a real pain in the ass.",
"It really is",
"I’m in finals this week",
"Same, though it's mostly over. I had two today.",
"Same I’m done tomorrow, I’m at MSU",
"IUPUI myself.",
"Good stuff",
"Well prayers up for good grades and good luck with France",
"I'll drink to that.",
"Aside from France making a move on you, I could not be happier with the results.",
"True",
"Ok, so, if the French weren't riding your ass we could make amazing progress this year, but unfortunately they are. Unfortunately as well, the Turks are rearing to get at you too; I'll convince them otherwise, and if we make sufficient progress (Unfortunately the only way I envision it working is if the Turks get Serbia for now, similar with how the Austrians would have gotten Bulgaria) I will be in Budapest, and if things go *really* well, I'll stab the Turks before year's end to keep their minds off of you. If the French back off we can easily get you Trieste and then start making serious gains on your front.\n\nHow's that sound as far as a general road map goes? Considering the situation I think that it would also be far more expedient for us to switch Smyrna for Vienna in our center shares but I understand if you'd prefer to stick with what we had planned previously.",
"Yeah I already told turkey they could have Ser, it was part of negotiating Gre. And yes France is really ruining things, I could lose Ven if they coordinate with Austria (which is probably somewhat unlikely since Austria has stabbed everyone so far this game)",
"I’m not sure if we will need to switch those, but I am open to figuring it out when the time comes",
"Even if they do coordinate, the only way they can guarantee it is by moving with the fleet in the Adriatic this turn, and you can take it back immediately after that if the Turks and I work together to disrupt the hell out of them.\n\nThe current worst case is that the French can now support the convoy move into Tuscany.",
"I’ll be building an army in Ven which will help with everything",
"It will indeed. Things are going to be extremely rough if the French don't decide that they need to pull back.",
"Yeah hopefully you can convince them",
"I’ll be arguing it too",
"You could also try to tell the Austrians that if they're going to be cool now that you'll back off, but they seem fully in league with the French.",
"Maybe try to convince them to disband Adriatic rather than Albania?",
"Worth a shot",
"I moved into Tyr though",
"Well if they do that, you can support Tyr into Piedmont and send TYS to Tus, and that would not only block the French convoy again, but force the French to retreat. It's worth a shot.",
"Yeah I’ll see",
"Hang on, let me pitch it as \"Getting the Italians to back off\" rather than as you offering, it might be that they trust me more since they backed off of Galicia when I asked.",
"That’s fair",
"As soon as they respond I'll tell you what they said. That would be a godsend in backing the French away, even if it'd be a setback on the Austrian front; I'm more worried about the French, don't know about you.",
"I am too, I can’t fight on two fronts",
"As long as you hold the French off and and I can hold the Turks back long enough to put them down easy, it shouldn't be *too* much of a crisis. And here I thought the sweating would be over after last season's results, silly me.",
"It’ll be interesting for sure 😂",
"Hopefully the pressure that I'm about to lay down in the north will be enough to get the French concerned and pull back.",
"I’m still trying to figure out if there’s a way to split the england France alliance. Not sure who would be more likely to attack who but either way it would cause the French to retreat.",
"Soon enough I'll have the English on the ropes if everything goes as I intend it to. That would definitely cause the French to need to reassess the situation.",
"France sounds a little apologetic and defeated, could be a ruse but I’m hopeful",
"It is 100% a ruse, don't believe them for a second.",
"Hahaha I would never move differently because of it. Just hoping it is followed by a retreat",
"What’re you doing for your build?",
"That'd be super cool. I asked the Turks if I was allowed to build in Sevastopol, because I want to convoy from there to one of their home supply centers when the time comes.",
"I obviously didn't tell them that last part.",
"Hahahahaha, we’ll see what they say then",
"The Austrians did it the mad bastards, they deleted the fleet in the Adriatic!",
"Hahaha did you suggest that?",
"I did indeed, didn't expect it to work but here we are!",
"Wonderful, that will make defense easier",
"For me",
"Well, it means that you can support yourself into Piedmont and make it impossible to lose Venice, at least not until next year.",
"The only hurdle is determining whether or not the French are going to try to convoy again, or try a different plan of attack.",
"Yeah it’s gonna be tough I’m gonna have to play cautious",
"Lol France is out here trying to get me to let him into Tyr",
"FOH",
"😂",
"This fucking guy lol",
"Like, what kind of wacky races plan does he think he's gonna pull off?",
"He claimed it would be low risk",
"I told him low risk is him turning around and attacking England",
"If you want turkey to take Ser then you should hit Bud, I’m supporting him in.",
"I think you should, we will have turkey in a corner and he trusts you it’s okay if he gets a build as long as it comes from Austria",
"I'm attacking Budapest as my part yeah.",
"Though, doesn't supporting him have the same effect with less rksk?",
"True, either way works",
"The fucking people I’m this game good god",
"*in",
"God the Turks ugh",
"You could have had Ionian support Greece, not that it would have mattered",
"Took a big risk trusting the French to back off",
"I realized that even if they didn’t back off I would be able to respond",
"And yeah I should have had the support in, I was changing my orders last minute and didn’t fix that. But yeah it would not have mattered",
"What do you want from Tri",
"If you could support me into Budapest, from there I can support you into effectively all of the territories you need from Austria/Turkey, aside from Greece and Bulgaria.",
"I'm moving from Galicia, sorry, that's necessary information.",
"Will do!",
"Turks are gonna be pissed when they see the news.",
"Good work, lots of builds for you I will have to catch up. Kind of sucks that england quit",
"It does, but considering how things were going for them I don't exactly blame them, especially since the French were just about to turn coat.",
"So which do you want first? Vienna or Serbia?",
"Not sure yet, cleaning this up is gonna be a mess. Hopefully Germany can keep France small enough while we do it",
"I don't think we can keep the French from getting one build, but if all goes well we can get you two builds at least, then pick up the others the next year and be ready to turn around and finish off the French.",
"I might go army... the Turks are so weak that I think the fleet would be a waste",
"And if you do it right they will have to disband Bul",
"I would assume turkey will stop attacking ION now that it had to defend itself",
"I don't think it'd be a bad idea to have a third army running around, especially since you'll have more builds to consider stocking up on them in the near future. I'm guessing the Turks are going to withdraw both fleets to Smyrna and Constantinople respectively, but if you have the Ionian poke the Aegean and I have Rumania poke Bulgaria I can guarantee that my fleet makes it into Constantinople, and from there we can guarantee your fleet makes it into the Aegean, from there you'll have Smyrna and at the same time you'll have armies marching into Greece and Bulgaria if all goes well.",
"I was thinking about negotiating a mutual retreat with France and then being sneaky and moving into WES, could slow them down. I’ll have to look at the board more though to see if it would be too much, them retaliating into TYS could be rough, but if they actually retreat I’d be fine or my armies might be enough to keep him from hitting an SC",
"I’m gonna look into it more",
"And yes I like everything you said up there",
"What are you thinking after this? Will you be eating germany?",
"You have been wonderful all game but as you hit double digits I have to start worrying about a solo...",
"I don't think that doing Serbia or Vienna first has any material difference honestly, though Serbia first would mean you could possibly take Greece this year as well.\n\nAs far as my plans go, I admit that a solo would be nice, but I have no intent of turning on either you or the Germans. I already proposed a 3 way draw to the Germans and they have said that they're all for it.",
"Obviously sounds great to me, it’s kind of being handed to us at this point 😂",
"I certainly don't blame you for worrying, but if I intended to go alone I'd have no reason to help you into all the bits of Turkey and Austria we've agreed to, which you'll see I won't fail to do.",
"So what will you be doing with all those other units then?",
"Makes sense",
"Well me and germany will have our eyes on you 😉",
"Yeah, the Austrians had me worried for a while there but convincing them to back off put things nicely back on track; for me at least. And once we have Austria and Turkey dead, I'll likely keep most of my units in and around Ukraine, with the exception of any which could better be used to help you or Germany out; in limited enough number to keep from doing anything even if I did intend to turn on you two of course 😜",
"I'd hate to get you two worried about it.",
"And lol yeah, I'm sure you will",
"Vienna and Serbia both present effectively the same problems, whether you go for one of them first or the other.",
"Yeah I was thinking about that too, not positive how I wanna tackle it",
"Yeah France is already trying to get me to turn on you",
"So I figure, his only chance is to either get you folks to turn on me, or get me to turn on you.",
"I think of the two, going for Vienna first is the most safe.",
"Okay that’s fine with me",
"Sorry I just remembered I was supposed to attack with ION, ended up not mattering",
"No worries, though it did just occur to me that if both Turkey and Austria are going to go into civil disorder that you could have also had Greece this turn if we went for Serbia first.",
"Yeah this is gonna be weird",
"Of course they will wake up as soon as we start assuming that",
"Naturally, which is why we should continue to act as though they were both still around.",
"Are you supporting me into Ser and AEG or just Ser",
"Never heard back about AEG so I didn’t want to risk turkey hitting ION and me not going anywhere, sorry",
"No worries, it's not a big deal all things considered.",
"I’m just glad you had that support to Ser in",
"Yep, the Austrians are effectively dead and the Turks are going to follow quickly.",
"What luck! Bulgaria and Greece are both walk-ins now. I'll start pulling away from our border in Austria and the Balkans.",
"Yeah looking good!",
"From what I can tell we don’t need to coordinate anything this season",
"Not particularly, things are going quite well.",
"I can support you into Bulgaria just in case the Turks unexpectedly submit orders though",
"Sounds good",
"Think it's time to pivot toward the French, I can support your fleet from the Ionian into the Aegean and then into Smyrna from there, and that'll finish the Turks.",
"Will do",
"And last but not least, I support you into Smyrna and the Turks are done for.",
"Sounds great!",
"I think when Turkey is eliminated we may be able to get France to surrender",
"Probably yes",
"Happy New Year, I'm going to be forcing my way into the Mid-Atlantic, from there I can support you into Spain; you'll probably end up being the one of us with 12 supply centers at the end considering the positioning of everything.",
"Sounds wonderful, happy new year to you as well",
"Shall we request that France surrenders and announce the intentions of a three way?",
"That sounds right to me",
"I will be supporting your fleet into Por and setting my condition to three way win",
"Excellent, support the Germans into Brest as well if you can"
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"Hey Italy, just saying high. I doubt we will cross paths until later in the game, but if you feel so inclined you could attack France 😉. France is probably the strongest county and I think me, you, and Germany should shut them down before they can get up and running. Anyways, good luck and have fun!",
"Thanks for reaching out! Yeah as Italy I will have to feel the board out before making any commitments.",
"Of course",
"Things are looking pretty peaceful in the west!",
"I would have thought France would have gone army in Bre and fleet in Mar, do you know why he flipped them?",
"Yes—he said he wanted to get support to belgium... but he could have done this with a fleet as well, so I think it may have been an aggresive move(even though he insists we are still allies)... and for this reason I'm going to tell you that he said he was planning on attacking you, although not completely full fledged(the fleet in spain and the army in mar). Just a fair warning, and since it seems like you don't have your hands too full over there maybe start worrieng about france? UP to you",
"Oh yeah I can see that hit coming from a mile away, the fleet going to SC is pretty obvious. That’s why I’m surprised he didn’t build a fleet in Mar.",
"I appreciate it though, you worried about russia at all?",
"yep. Turkey is basically giving away centers, I wouldn't be suprised if germanys back door opened up.",
"Yeah germany is pretty worried about you guys from what I have heard. And Turkey seems kinda dumb, he’s been scared of me pulling a lepanto all game and it’s gonna cost him.",
"Will you do me a favor and let France move into the mid Atlantic for a turn, we are trying to demilitarize the Mediterranean but he needs to use the Atlantic to get out of Spain"
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"Hi there! I figured it would be good to open up talks between us, what’re your initial thoughts? I plan on playing rather conservatively until I see how some alliances are shaking out.",
"Same on my end to be honest; first game I've ever played with any money on the line lol",
"hm, if you're okay starting conservatively, could I make the ask that you start by opening to Tyn or move to take Tun with a fleet?",
"I’d still plan on moving into ION, it gives me more options.",
"Yea, I have no issue with Ion in and of itself ~~ id just rather not see you also setting up a Lepanto by prepping a convoy to Tun :p",
"If you reeeally want to try a Lepanto, we can go for it lol, but I think we'd stall out a bit too much to make it worthwhile",
"You know what a lepanto is right?",
"I may be an idiot but I'm not stupid ...",
"I'm just saying that if you come at me with a Lepanto, I don't think it'd be beneficial for either of us lol",
"Got it, sounded to me like you were proposing that you and I do a lepanto lol",
"I doubt Austria would trust me enough for that and yeah I’d have to catch you off guard so even you mentioning one makes it unrealistic",
"Alrighty, glad we're on the same page -- that means Rome isn't going to apu or nap right ?",
"It is, I’m not going to do a lepanto though, you can try to defend against it if you’d like but it won’t do you any good. I’m not trying to start a fight with austria immediately either.",
"I realize this may be alarming to you, but I quite honestly do not want to attack you, in my experience a Lepanto is a lot better deal for Austria than Italy. I am truly planning on just getting my build and then reading the board",
"We can continue to negotiate if you would like to, I don’t want to start off on the wrong foot.",
"Have you heard from Austria or Russia yet? I have not. One reason I’m moving the way I am is because I have some interest in Gre, however I’m not going to try and sneak/force my way in there. I was wondering if you and Austria have talked about Gre or if you and Russia had discussed Rum since that has some implications as well.",
"Nothing of note really, nah",
"Any news on Austria?",
"same old pretty much",
"You havnt heard from them?",
"Nothing worth telling -- they want me to attack you or Russia of course, but they haven't been too picky about which",
"Interesting opening, still worried about me?",
"I'd really appreciate not convoying to Tun",
"What have you and Austria discussed regarding Gre?",
"I imagine Austria is going to take it",
"Anything on your end :p",
"No I asked about Gre and have not heard back yet.",
"Are you getting much from Austria?",
"Would you help me go after Austria?",
"Sure, what do you have in mind?",
"I was hoping to get my army into Gre, I’d need support from you though. We’d be able to get you into Ser after that",
"That sounds reasonable to me -- geographically tho, do you think it could make more sense for you to get tri and ser, while I get Greece?",
"Maybe we could make that exchange later? I was trying to get my army involved in things",
"I guess a convoy to Albania would be possible, but then we might have to delay taking Greece hmm",
"Yeah I’m trying to get that army involved and take a SC this turn because it’s fall. Plus I could use the build with France getting scary. You don’t really have anyone attacking you",
"Alright, that's fair yea, putting in the order now then",
"Supporting Tun to Gre?",
"Yep 👍",
"Thank you, we’ll get you some builds soon. Have you talked to russia about swapping Rum if he takes more of austria?",
"We haven't really discussed that, do you think they'd be open to it?",
"Possibly, I know he wants to get rid of austria pretty badly so",
"What’re you doing with Bul this round?",
"Russia asked for it to support Rum again",
"What do you think about it attacking Ser? I think that would guarantee it can’t support Gre holding or an attack on Rum",
"Do you think that would work",
"I'm a bit nervous about losing bul to be honest",
"And I don't think the Russians would be super pleased either",
"I’m just trying to guarantee that I get Gre you know?",
"Is there a good way to do it?",
"Yea, I feel you",
"Gre is supporting me into the AEG (obviously I’m not gonna actually move that way) so that takes away one thing",
"Austria also has been talking to me about attacking Russia, so maybe I can leverage that",
"Yeah if you could get him to support Bul to Rum, then we would know that he’s not attacking you or Russia (because obviously you won’t actually attack Rum)",
"I think he'd probably want to me to support him at this point, while I would in theory be able to take Sev, but I'm not sure that helps us",
"Cuz that could just free up Ser even more yknow",
"Alright, I'll be back online in a few hours -- have to go give an exam",
"Understandable, so currently you are supporting a Rum hold with Bul?",
"That's what I have, yea",
"We can leave it as that",
"Would you like support into Ser this year?",
"Yes please thanks",
"If u want to support aeg to con, I'd appreciate it"
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"Hi there! I think us attacking each other early game is pretty dumb, what’re your thoughts?",
"I agree. Even with the element of surprise, it's just too easy to defend the Piedmont/Marseilles corridor.\n\nIf France attacks Italy, it will most likely be Austria who benefits, and likewise if Italy attacks France the spoils probably go to Germany.\n\nGiven that, what are your plans? Are you planning to attack Austria early, or thinking of the standard move of: \nF Naples - Ionian\nA Rome - Naples\nA Venice H",
"Yeah I’m not planning on going for Austria off the bat, I feel like it usually just locks the two weakest countries into a fight that hurts us both",
"Understood, good to know!",
"Seems like everything went pretty much according to plan. Not sure why Turkey stayed in Smy instead of backfilling to Con. Seems a bit passive to me.",
"He’s scared of me pulling off a lepanto. What’s the deal for you guys, seems like you and england have an agreement at the very least to stay out of ENG. Did you and germany agree to that bounce in Bur?",
"Yeah, England and I demilitarized the channel, and the bounce with Germany was arranged.",
"Looks like you guys still have to figure out your 2 on 1 then",
"My own view is that France can afford to remain neutral longer than England or Germany can. \n\nAs long as I can prevent an English-German alliance, I can afford to remain non-commital and find the right time to strike.\n\nOf course, I already have a hypothesis for who I suspect would be the better ally, but I don't think I can share that :p",
"Understandable",
"Not sure if it's true, but I heard England has been telling you I plan to invade Italy?",
"Would just like to point out that if that were the case, I would have built a fleet in Marseilles. My priority is securing Burgundy, and that's why I built the army.",
"I had heard that, and was already suspicious. Your fleet going to SC of Spain was alarming. Him telling me that made it worse. The only way I will believe you is if your fleet moves back into the Atlantic.",
"However there isn’t much I can do to attack you, only defend.",
"In my view, the fleet going to SC of Spain is a concession to England, but apparently he doesn't see things the same way. I suggest that we demilitarize Western Mediterranean for now. My fleet will go on standby in Lyon to defend Marseilles",
"Why do you need to defend Mar? I do not want you in the Lyon",
"Since Gulf of Lyon borders several of my supply centers and none of yours, I view it as part of my territory. However I would be willing to demilitirize it if you agree to demilitirize Tyrrhenean Sea, which is to you what Lyon is to me",
"That sounds like a good deal to me, agreed",
"So WES, LYO, and TYS are a DMZ?",
"Let me confirm with England that they're comfortable with me going to Mid Atlantic in order to get A Portugal out, but agreed if there's no issue there",
"Okay let me know",
"If England says no, I'll move to gulf of Lyon first but return to Spain. It provides a temperary hedge while allowing A Portugal to get out",
"Understandable",
"Did you hear back yet",
"Until I hear otherwise from you I will be moving into TYS",
"Apologies, I didn't hear back from England until after I had retired for the night (I'm in central Europe time, so turn change is early in the morning for me)",
"Occupying Tys while I am in Lyon is totally fair, but we are now in a bit of a standoff",
"Yeah we are in a weird position now. How do you want to handle it?",
"Here I my view:\nTYS is more vulnerable for me than LYO is for you, it borders two of my home centers which as opposed to 1 home and 1 neutral for you. Additionally, you are in a very good position to defend those centers if I were to move into LYO. So I propose that I hold in TYS and you move from LYO to Spa SC, (I’m assuming you’re moving Spa to Gas) and when I see that I will leave TYS and our DMZ will be in effect.",
"Hmmm... Can I assume that F Ionian will be going east, against either Turkey or Austria?",
"How is your relation with Austria, actually?",
"The situation with Germany and England has become very messy and delicate. Retreating to Spain makes sense on paper, but it is a very passive move which would also leave me vulnerable if you chase into Lyo",
"Not sure what ION is doing yet, Austria and I are still talking. The relationship is good though",
"Has Austria been responsive to you?",
"They haven't really responded to me, for the most part",
"What is messy and delicate about it? I think you can see that I will be attacking toward the East. It would not make sense for me to send a lone fleet to attack you.",
"No they are hard to talk to, they have about one time each day they respond to messages",
"I mean, if Austria doesn't play ball, I have no way to be sure that you won't pivot west",
"I think you would see that coming",
"You will have a unit in Mar and a unit in Spa if you move from LYO to Spa, there wouldn’t be anything I could take",
"We should figure this out before the game moves",
"Apologies, was actually about to go to bed - missed your earlier messages",
"Good to talk about it though?",
"But on further consideration, I don't have a problem with you remaining in TYS for now",
"You're right that it's less threatening than I thought at first",
"Will you be moving out of LYO to Spa?",
"Can do",
"Yeah, plus I have made no indication of attacking you this game",
"That's true, and appreciated!",
"Of course!",
"I realize that for now Mar is gonna have to hold",
"Yeah, there's nowhere it can really go. The most I could do is F Belgium S A Burgundy - Belgium, A Marseilles - Burgundy. But not only does this risk losing control of an important province in Burgundy, it leaves my fleet trapped in Picardy, where England would likely be offended",
"Yeah it seems like england is being a pain, do you think you guys will make headway with germany this round? That would help give you guys some room.",
"?",
"Is he worried about Russia!",
"He has some justification to be worried about Russia, considering that Russia hit Norway in force and England won't be able to recover it",
"I'm guarrenteed to take Belgium, but need to see if England can hold Holland and how Germany disbands in order to get a better sense of whether we can continue to push against Germany",
"Makes sense.",
"I’m sure russia is trying to get you to help with england",
"Indeed, as is Germany",
"No surprises there",
"Of course not, France is always better off with england as a friend. Not really the other way around though it’s impressive that you pulled that off.",
"I think the dynamic does matter a bit, but I think as soon as Germany gambled hard for Belgium it made it very difficult to come to a deal with them",
"Yeah that was weird by him. He was upset about england moving into Hol but like it was open",
"It was a really strange early game in general",
"Even as the main beneficiary of early conflict between England and Germany, I wasn't quite sure what to make of it",
"Naughty naughty",
"Hehehe worth a shot",
"I had a pretty terrible turn all around... Was putting in moves at 2am central europe time and ended up with a bunch of misorders",
"Not gonna pretend I put in a convoy order by accident though",
"I don’t suppose you’ll realize you have bigger fish to fry and head back?",
"There would be no hard feelings",
"Will need to figure out how to recover from that misorder, in general",
"England isn’t looking too good, russia tricked him last round and now he’s kinda screwed",
"I’m getting a build in case you needed another reason to back off",
"Yeah, I'm not on top of my game right now, but I did notice your build and England's dilemma",
"Alright, I put some thought into it, I think we can turn this around into a mutually beneficial arrangement",
"I would like your permission to go to Tyrolia",
"From there, I can break through Germany's line in Munich, and also support you into Austria",
"I don't think there's too much risk on your end from being stabbed - that unit would be really isolated from the rest of my forces",
"If you agree, suggest that you do A Venice - Piedmont - Tyrolia and send A Tyrolia - Bohemia",
"I’m not going to do that, the only benefits are things I could do myself.",
"Why do you not realize that england is an easier and better target for you?",
"You can get his SCs well before russia does",
"You have a point, actually, especially since this fight against Germany is going nowhere",
"Let me speak to Germany about it",
"I know I’m biased but I think he’s a lot easier target than I am or Germany is",
"Part of why I sided with him over Germany is that he seemed more competent. But this is going nowhere, time to reconsider",
"Yeah you have been strangely loyal to him",
"I don't think it was a mistake to side with England at the start, but I think I should have cut my losses earlier instead of not only sticking with him, but also opening a second front against you",
"Still waiting to hear back from Germany, but Russia is on board and that's good enough for me. Germany has reason not to trust me and it might be good to make a demosntration of good faith anyways",
"I'll draw down A Pie - Mar",
"Would like to demilitarize Pie going forward, although it would be understandable if there are some hard feelings there",
"Yeah we can build a DMZ once you have pulled out",
"Okay now we need to figure out TYS and LYO",
"I'm perfectly content to just stay as is, to be honest. We could also bounce off each other with F LYO - TYS, F TYS - LYO if you're worried about me going to WES",
"But if you have something else in mind I\"m happy to hear it",
"I can’t be doing that, I need to use it to support ION with turkey being dumb",
"Let me think, how late will you be checking messages tonight",
"Probably not much later to be honest",
"Been sleeping too late recently",
"I'm generally averse to just holding, but I can do that for this turn if you need to support F Ionian",
"Can you just hold this turn instead of hitting it?",
"Make amends for my ill-fated incursion",
"Was about to ask, I’ll fix it this coming year",
"Thank you",
"Thank you, small amounts of trust regained",
"They are now twice as large as the next largest power",
"We need to do something about Russia",
"Yeah I know they’re getting big",
"Turkey should be on board for sure, and it seems like England dropped",
"So need to get Germany on board",
"Let them know that I promised to cooperate, and that you will back them up if I break my word on this",
"I will aim to fight the Russians in England while relieving the pressure on Germany in the west",
"Does this mean you are going to pull out of LYO?",
"Depends if you are pulling out of TYS :P",
"Like I said earlier, I'm perfectly content to just stay there, but would also be willing to discuss demilitirization",
"How does me moving into Tun sound",
"It would certain be the most parallel option to me moving to Spain",
"Sounds like a deal to me",
"Sounds good!",
"Not a fan of your move to West Med",
"I know I haven't really earned much trust from you, but we need to present a united front against Russia and Germany or else Russia will win",
"No you haven’t",
"For what it's worth, I've kept our demilitirization since our discussion",
"And Germany is likely to be the main beneficiary in the event of a French collapse",
"Well, looks like this is it for me",
"Given that I pissed away a winning position with an ill-advised stab on you, I doubt I'll be missed much",
"But best of luck for the rest of the game!",
"Nah we’re going for a three way so that’s it for all of us, good game though!"
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"How’s it going Austria? Looking forward to a fun and exciting game!",
"Hello Germany. How do you feel about being friendly? If so lets leave BOH and TYR as neutral zones. What do you think?",
"Yeah let’s do it!",
"sounds great. Hopefully when that plays out we can work together more in the future",
"Yeah for sure!",
"Hey Austria! How’s it going?",
"doing great. your turn worked out reasonably well. thank you for keeping the territory neutral. Is there anything we can currently work on together or should we continue to keep neutral for now?",
"I’d like to make sure the neutral territories in between us stay neutral (boh, tyr, sil). My only concern is that your move to vie is inching closer my way",
"I will keep all of those as neutral. I think we can make good allies and hopefully able to help each other in the next year or so",
"Agreed!! Looking forward to it!"
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"Good evening. I think it's important that we get our affairs in order regarding Sweden; I'm sure you know that you can easily bounce me to keep me out, but I'd like to convince you otherwise. Let me know if there's anything specific you'd like in return, otherwise I think that assistance against possible English attack and an agreement to leave Warsaw, Silesia, and Prussia alone is good.",
"Hi Russia! Thanks for reaching out. I’m open to an arrangement similar to those terms (neutrality in Pru, Sil, War, Boh if that comes up, as well as and really especially potential assistance against England). I would also like your support into Nwy down the road. I think splitting Scandinavia is reasonable and that takes pressure off of me to look to War as a future build. How does that sound to you? Looking forward to a fun and exciting game!",
"I'd prefer for us to cooperate to take the British down completely; I get Norway, you get as many British home territories as you can convince the French to let you have. Aside from that, those neutral zones sound good to me.",
"I’m not sure I’m ready to just hand over Norway and Sweden, unfortunately:/",
"You'll get Norway then.",
"Sounds good to me! Thank you so much for being agreeable. I view Norway as a gesture of goodwill and I will definitely remember it. Hopefully, I will find another way to help you in the future 😃",
"Hey what’s up Russia",
"Not much, Austria moving toward Vienna's a little weird right? Think that's because they're going to make a second fleet or something?",
"Oh damn I didn't even see the Brits moving into Holland, was that planned?",
"Yeah obviously not, which is why I reached out.",
"It looks like you’re going to have a fight on your hands in Scandinavia and I am very willing to help you however I can.",
"Well, seeing as it'd be pretty difficult for me to let you have Norway at this point, we should probably talk about that first. I was already building a fleet on the North Coast of St. Petersburg just for insurance against the Brits, but that can easily become an offensive. If you broke any possible support from the North Sea, I could walk into Norway in spring.",
"Count me in!",
"Alright, from there I can try to push them out of the North/Norwegian Seas and you can move into the Netherlands and beyond. Have you talked with the French? We don't necessarily need them, but for a proper Sealion their help would definitely be a good thing to have.",
"Yeah agreed. My theory/fear is that they may be in negotiations with England. France was asking me to take denmark and holland and then all of the sudden changed course and supported my incursion into Belgium.",
"That is awfully suspicious.",
"Agreed.",
"I'll probe them for information, let me see what I can get out of them; even if they were involved with that they'll probably play their cards pretty close to the chest though.",
"Agreed. I will reach out to Austria to see what’s going on there",
"Don't expect much, the Austrians aren't exactly what I'd call chatty.",
"Part of me wants to take the Chanel to keep England on the defensive haha",
"That'd be a hell of a move if it worked, but I guarantee they're going to be trying to move there to attempt to put themselves in Belgium, so you'd only end up bouncing them.",
"I'll talk with the Brits too to see if they'll flash their plans at me, I'm on decent terms with them.",
"That would be great!",
"The British are immensely cocky about their chances against you, I wouldn't be even slightly surprised to find that they have the French in their pocket for the time being.",
"Thank you for the intel. What would you advise for me moving forward, particularly with my two incoming builds?",
"Considering what we're up against, I'd build a fleet in Kiel and an army in Berlin, but you need to switch the army in Denmark for a fleet as soon as possible and get that down to the French border.",
"If France and Britain are determined to, they can ensure that the fleet in Belgium is destroyed, unfortunately. But they can't do that while also holding both Norway and the Netherlands.",
"The English and French both made some odd choices with their builds. I think the British anticipate me coming for them.",
"Not great",
"Either way, I think I'll be able to outmaneuver them long enough to force a disband.",
"Have you spoken with the French recently? They haven't done anything overtly aggressive toward you so maybe you can still flip them; I've got reliable intelligence that apparently the English don't approve of that fleet build in Brest so we might be able to break that alliance up with a determined effort.",
"That’s wonderful news. We’ve spoken a bit. He doesn’t seem particularly committed to england, but the two of them have been speaking.",
"They're savvy, I think they're playing both sides of the table until it becomes clear who has the upper hand.",
"Agreed. We need to be in sync with our moves to play the advantage. Let me know what you think would be good next steps for me.",
"The near term goal in my mind is breaking england to persuade France to complete the sea lion",
"I'm trying to sow distrust among them at the moment but I don't know if I'll have much luck with England. They're being very cagey. But anyways, the survival of your fleet in Belgium, at this point, depends on you either convincing the French not to block you out of either the English Channel or Piedmont, OR, using the fleet in Kiel to support an attack against the army in the Netherlands; the first isn't ideal because it's relying on the French, but the second isn't ideal because it's keeping Kiel stationary and thus blocking the exit of the Danish army, which is practically dead-weight where it is since it can't support to any of the sea-zones around it. \n\nI'd move Munich to Ruhr and Berlin to Munich. Additionally, I would do the second option with your fleets whether or not you get an agreement from the French. It leaves you in a much better strategic position even though it effectively ensures the loss of Belgium.",
"Current orders: F Bel H, A Den H, A Ber - Kie, F Kie - HEL, A Mun S Ber - Kie",
"I’ve been have good conversations with France",
"If you're going to have Belgium hold you might as well have it bounce off of the North Sea to break any possible support that it can give, either to Holland or Norway. I have as well, I'm doing everything I can to convince them that attacking the British is a great idea.",
"Nice! Good call. Any other suggestions? I’m pretty open to anything",
"Italy says that France and England are allies",
"They are, but I've been working to break it up. I've not got any suggestions for the time being other than what you have; you should be able to guarantee that you have Holland by the end of the year, though you may lose Belgium in the process.",
"Cool as long as your on board with my current moveset plus the bounce into the North Sea",
"I absolutely am. Hopefully the French either stay uncommitted to the attack or join our side.",
"I ran those other moves by France, with the except of the North Sea move you suggested. Should I tell france to build trust, or would the potential of it getting back to england be risky",
"I think that it's almost guaranteed that it would get back to the English. I wouldn't tell them much more about your plans at all, if you can help it.",
"Sounds good! Let me know if you have any other thoughts, if not, my moves are submitted.",
"If something crosses my mind I'll let you know ASAP.",
"Great call with the North Sea",
"What are you thinking for my next steps? I don’t like france’s moves.",
"France is definitely coming for you, but how's this for a tricksy little solution to the issue: \n\nCurrently you are at serious risk of losing Belgium; that sucks, but if you move yourself to Holland you can avoid the destruction of that fleet. Even better though, if you make another move toward the North Sea, I can now *support* that move with Norway, meaning that unless the British successfully predict that, you are in position to take Edinburgh and threaten London unless they pull fleets back; if they pull fleets back, it takes pressure off of me and allows me to forward-deploy my own fleets, which are currently pinned down by British blockade.\n\nFurthermore, you can move your fleet from the Helgoland Bight into Holland to take it, and use Kiel to support Munich to ensure Munich holds for long enough that the British have to disband. There are risks involved in the maneuver of course. The British could not only move themselves to Belgium, but they could move their fleet from the North Sea into Holland, bouncing you out and keeping all of their forces intact despite the loss of the North Sea.",
"Word I actually love that strategy.",
"I’m in. We need to think strategically about what information we deliver to England/France and how.",
"So I'll be supporting from Belgium to the North Sea then? There's a further significant risk that the British will use one of their fleets in the north to defeat Norway's support and thus keep the North Sea AND Netherlands AND take Belgium.\n\nPersonally, I actually am not a fan of the move. Too many risks to be realistically successful this turn, better saved until next year I think. You're better off using the Helgoland Bight to support Belgium in a retreat to Holland for the time being, and then perform this maneuver next year when your position is more solid and the British have lost a unit. If Munich weren't under enough risk that you could use Kiel to support into Holland as well it would be much more viable.\n\nSorry to be doing all these thought problems in full view, I'm just trying to work out how best to break Britain and get ourselves on the offensive. This turn ain't it though I think.",
"Doesn't help that the Austrians are actively betraying me.",
"No no I trust your judgement. If we’re going to win this fight against England, we need to be lock step.",
"I couldn't agree more.",
"No, it does not. I have minimal communication with them, we basically exchanged a half dozen messages keeping the neutral territories neutral.",
"Just so you know in advance, given my newfound conflict with them, I may have to occupy Warsaw indefinitely.",
"Thanks for bringing that up! Totally fine with me. I have bigger problems for the foreseeable future . Fighting with my one reliable ally is the last thing I want.",
"Yeah, it's a real touch-and-go situation but I really think that reducing the British for the time being was good progress.",
"Yeah for sure",
"What full moveset would you recommend for me?",
"A Kie S Mun\nA Mun H\nF Bel - Hol\nF HEL S Bel - Hol\nA Den H\n\nThis moveset still leaves some risk if they anticipate it unfortunately, but I doubt that they'd risk me being able to move to SKA for it. We can only hope though, your position is still extremely unstable.",
"Where is that London army going? That’s my question.",
"France is telling me that I need to cede Belgium to him for any further cooperation. While I crave France coming on board for the sea lion, I don’t trust anything he says.",
"Well it tried to go to Norway, if the British anticipate me being conservatively defensive in Norway (Which is my current plan) then there's the possibility that they will attempt to convoy it to Holland with Ruhr's support. Which wouldn't succeed, but would bounce you enough that they'd keep it.\n\nEither way you can't stop the French from taking Belgium anyways, you might as well agree for the time being.",
"Yeah that’s fair.",
"How are your conversations with France going?",
"I've got a tricky plan to either reverse psychology them into putting us in an advantageous position, or find out if they're trustworthy. Standby.",
"Dope",
"Don't tell France anything even remotely specific for the time being, they might just be feigning this willingness to cooperate in order to get strategically useful information to plan their next attack to ideally counter whatever you tell them.",
"Yeah that’s a good read.",
"By the way, I'm currently buttering them up with some nonsense about not giving a toss about you. If they come to you as if delivering that as a world shattering revelation, don't be fooled. I'm playing them.",
"Okay!!! Word.",
"Yup yup, just didn't want you to be alarmed if the French tried to get you to come after me over some bullshit I said to them.",
"Word, sounds good.",
"Don't think I accomplished much honestly.",
"That’s unfortunate but not unexpected",
"Yeah, hopefully everything goes well this season.",
"Hopefully I can at least help you beat them in the future lol",
"Well if I can break this Blockade the British have me in then I'll be out there in a flash to defeat them with you.",
"Heck yeah",
"Let me know how I can help",
"F Bel - Hol\nA Den H\nF HEL S Bel - Hol\nA Kie S Mun\nA Mun H",
"My current moves FYI",
"Yep, that looks solid to me.",
"News from the front, the English just blabbed off-hand to me that the French are going to support themselves into Belgium, which means Munich isn't at risk. I don't know if I trust that intelligence, but it would mean you could use Kiel to ensure entry into the Netherlands.",
"The English are either far more gullible and temperamental than the English, or they're trying to play me.",
"I think I might have them duped; they just said that they're going to come talk to you, please relay back what they told you. Maintain the original order set. (Again, my duping them effectively was me agreeing to fuck you over so be aware if they come to you with that nonsense.)",
"Cheers, I could hardly have imagined better results!",
"Thanks so much!!! Hopefully English occupation of Belgium will weaken their alliance.",
"england accidentally sent me a message",
"“Germany doesn’t have to disband.”",
"You can tell he’s annoyed lol",
"Well of course he is; the French supported him into Belgium though so it was probably just so that they wouldn't have to disband *two* units. I honestly wish the French would have taken it instead, you probably wouldn't have the army in the Ruhr sitting around in your business.",
"Yeah it’s frustrating",
"I’m worried about holding Munich and holland",
"I would also love to see us dislodge England from the North Sea.",
"Hey!!! France is asking me to attack North Sea, he said he wants to turn on england",
"He told me the same, I don't believe him for a second.",
"He says: \n\nF Pic - Eng\nA Brit - Pic\nF Hol & F Nwy SF HEL - NTH\nA Kie S F Hol H",
"Yeah, he wants to get you out of position.",
"What moves do you suggest?",
"I would take a defensive stance for now, support Netherlands and Munich while I move into the Norwegian Sea",
"A Den S Kie\nF HEL S Hol\nF Hol H\nA Kie S Mun\nA Mun H",
"Works as far as I can see.",
"Looks like France is sincere",
"That's rare",
"Norway will support Helgoland Bight to the North Sea, if you use Netherlands to support as well they may have a hard time stopping us. Kiel needs to move into Ruhr yesterday though, use Munich to support if you can.",
"I’m in.",
"A Den - Kie\nF HEL - NTH\nF Hol S HEL - NTH\nA Kie - Ruh\nA Mun S Kie - Ruh",
"Actually, A Den H",
"So I can convoy it to the island in the spring",
"Sounds solid to me.",
"What’s your long term thinking once we get the leg up on england?",
"Well, once you're in Ruhr and the North Sea, you can easily muscle your way through the French with Italy's help, the Italians and I take out the Austrians and Turks, we end this with a three way draw if we all stay cordial.",
"I’m down. I’ve been getting a long great with Italy. Literally nothing would make me happier than that plan.",
"Yeah, the time limit on this game isn't nearly enough to seek out a solo win anyways so might as well have a ni e draw with the folks I've been trusting the whole game.",
"Yeah I agree. Honestly makes it more fun as well.",
"Yep!",
"Looks like the French had the same general idea as you. Should I support your convoy to Yorkshire with the fleet in Edinburgh?",
"That would be great! Thanks!",
"What full move set do you advise?",
"Ruhr supports Netherlands to Belgium, North Sea convoys Denmark to Yorkshire, Munich holds",
"What are your thoughts on Ruhr to Belgium supported by Netherlands?",
"Would mean the fleet in the Netherlands isn't accomplishing anything in the future and would leave Ruhr open to a possible sneak by the French, wouldn't recommend.",
"Makes sense. Can the English Navy retreat to the Netherlands?",
"No, you can't retreat to where the attack originated.",
"Dope.",
"Hey Russia! What do you suggest for my next moveset? I don’t want France to get two English supply centers haha.",
"Make a move on Liverpool alone; at worst you'll bounce and I'll be moving to Clyde to help you next season. You should push into the English Channel and try to sneak into Burgundy at the same time.",
"So what specific moves? I was actually thinking of supporting my army into London with the North Sea to lock in another build.",
"Then A Ruh - Bur supported by Mun",
"F Bel H",
"More long-term gain in taking the Channel",
"How so? With the North Sea fleet?",
"So the moves would be:\n\nA Yorkshire to Liverpool\nA Ruhr to Burgundy\nA Munich S the above\nF North Sea to English Channel\nF Belgium S the above",
"With the English channel you can practically walk across France while they panic and shit themselves trying to stop you.",
"My fear is the fleet in London taking the North Sea",
"You want my fleet in Norway to follow up?",
"F Bel H\nA Mun S Ruh - Bur\nF NTH S Yor - Lon\nA Ruh - Bur\nA Yor - Lon",
"This is my moveset rn",
"I’m okay with that but I want to hold the North Sea long term",
"Sounds good to me.",
"I’m really happy with the Russia-Germany-Italy alliance 3 way victory game plan. Things are looking really good right now and I think it’s important that the three of us make sure we’re on the same page as to what that map looks like",
"Agreed, need to make sure we're all relatively equal.",
"Exactly. I think eating up most of the French and English supply centers should bring me up to parity. What do you think the balkans look like for you and Italy?",
"Everything I don't have right now is going to Italy.",
"Nice!!!!",
"Here’s my updated moves based on your recommendations",
"F Bel S NTH - ENG\nA Mun S Ruh - Bur\nF NTH - ENG\nA Ruh - Bur\nA Yor - Lvp",
"What time is it for you?",
"Seems legit; it's about six, why?",
"Same! Wanted to see if you were on the east coast as well. I’m based in DC",
"Indianapolis here",
"Things are looking good!",
"Sorry for occupying Warsaw, the army in Galicia makes me nervous of a spiteful Austria checking in and sending some spiteful orders",
"Hey Russia don’t worry about it at all!",
"I’m thinking about sending my fleet in Belgium to the North Sea. Would you support me there?",
"I can certainly do that.",
"Actually here’s my move set",
"F Bel - Pic\nA Ber - Mun\nA Bur - Gas\nF ENG S Bel - Pic\nF Kie - HEL\nA Lvp H\nA Mun - Bur",
"Maybe you could bounce France in the North Sea this turn and then support HEL - North Sea in the fall.",
"My only concern with that order set is the possibility of losing the Channel",
"What would you advise?",
"F Bel S Bre - ENG\nA Ber - Mun\nA Bur - Gas\nF ENG H\nF Kie - HEL\nA Lvp H\nA Mun - Bur",
"I say go for your original anyways, I doubt the French will go for it and you'll be able to take it back anyways",
"Sounds good. Are you okay with bouncing the north sea with France (my guess, who knows what he’ll actually do) and then supporting HEL in during the Fall?",
"Sure, I can do that.",
"Thanks for the help there!",
"What do you think for next steps? I’m a bit concerned about Belgium with France holding bur",
"The Italians have me somewhat concerned, they definitely don't need to be moving troops this direction anymore.",
"From my communication with him, he seems totally supportive of the alliance.",
"So long as you don’t stab him, I don’t see him stabbing you. But we haven’t talked a ton. I could chat him up to get a better feel for where his headspace is at.",
"Go ahead, I would hate for this to fall apart at the last moment.",
"Yeah for sure.",
"What do you think my moves are? I’m a little worried about France and figuring out where to get my next build.",
"Have Picardy withdraw to Belgium, have Munich move to Ruhr, have Berlin move to Munich, and have Gascony move to Spain. I'll support you into the North Sea and I'll poke them in the Mid-Atlantic to keep them from supporting anything with it.",
"Nice!!! Thanks so much. I shot Italy a note and I’ll let you know when I hear back.",
"Dope, thanks!",
"A Ber - Mun\nF ENG S HEL - NTH\nA Gas - Spa\nF HEL - NTH\nA Lvp H\nA Mun - Ruh\nF Pic - Bel",
"Look good?",
"Looks good!",
"Here’s what I got",
"F Bel S ENG\nA Bre H\nF ENG S Bre\nA Lvp H\nA Mun S Ruh - Bur\nF NTH - Lon\nA Ruh - Bur",
"Let me know if you have any feedback",
"And HAPPY NEW YEAR! Cheers to the Russia-Germany-Italy alliance!",
"Happy New Year to you too! Sorry for the delayed response, was drunk as heeeeeeeeeell last night. Your order set seems good! I'm going to force my way into the Mid-Atlantic, that'll be a death sentence for the French.",
"Amen! Glad you had a blast",
"Hey Russia! Things are looking good against France. What do you recommend for my next move set.",
"Picardy to Paris, supported by Burgundy; Munich Hold; Belgium to Picardy; English Channel to London, supported by North Sea; Liverpool to Wales, Irish Sea supports. Liverpool is safe, because Wales can just move straight back, and so is Edinburgh, because I can just bounce them out there as well. Paris is occupied and safe, Picardy is primed to take Brest.",
"Paris can't hold, because I'll be using North Atlantic to poke Brest.",
"Excellent! Thanks for all the help Russia!",
"Move into Brest with the fleet in Picardie, and set yourself to three-way draw and we'll have it.",
"Sounds great man! Thanks for everything!"
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"Hey Germany, how are things going? Would you like to have alliance was against France?",
"What’s up England!! Things are good! TGIF",
"I’m not looking to commit to anyone just yet, I hope that’s no trouble!",
"Ok... do you mind if I ask how your relationship with France is?",
"Not well formed at this point",
"Have you been talking to Russia much?",
"Not much. Why?",
"Just feeling around",
"I’m so excited to be playing this game! Now that things are calming down with the holidays I will have more free time.",
"Yea, an early attack from russia wouldn’t be fun",
"Nice",
"No it wouldn’t! For either of us!",
"Hey Germany. What are you thinking about an alliance? We can't wait forever... also what about Belgium? I'm assuming we both want it, and a bounce would not be good, as it would mean nothing for both of us.",
"If you agree to attacking france, I would be willing to let you have Holland AND Belgium. I would launch a full-on russia attack, with Yorkshire to Norway, and Nwg to Bar. Denmark would be left empty for that year and then you or me (depending on the situation) could get it in 1902. What do you think?",
"Because... your only going to be able to have 2 of Belgium, Denmark, or holland this year",
"Hmm. I’m not willing to give up denmark thats a quick pick up for me.",
"I would however be down to work together in exchange for passage into Belgium this turn and Holland next turn with one of my new units.",
"I mean, it's up to you. But both Belgium and Holland are easy pick ups to",
"Yeah it’s true",
"How about I stay neutral for a turn or two. I don’t want to wed myself to an alliance just yet but I would be down to decline any offers from France to turn on you. I can’t stay neutral for very long but I think I can get through a few turns.",
"Wait... your saying that in order to work with you I *need* to give you Belgium and Holland? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? France wants an alliance with me too, you know... and while I would rather work with you, if your going to make demands like that...",
"ehh no net really saying that’s a necessary condition lol",
"But of course I would like them",
"Obviously france is reaching out to me too",
"I want to communicate with you, because there are 3 centers up for grabs here, and 3 units to get them. Now, if we bounce, it's mutually bad. But if we can communicate, we can end up getting all of them. Because I REALLY don't want to see a strong russia, and I think they are an easy target for england, I would really like to attack them. I'm planning on moving to Nwy and BAR, and offering you both Holland AND Belgium, as long as you don't move to denmark this turn.",
"If your not interested, than which centers would you like?",
"I’m open to it!! What’s the rational for me staying out of Denmark though? Just curious.",
"I'm not saying you shouldn't move there, as that is typically a german center. I'm fine with you moving there later, it's just you wouldn't be able to get there this turn if you take Holland and Belgium.",
"I see! Do you see an issue with me taking denmark now and holland later?",
"You could. I think it would be better to get Holland now and Denmark later though, since that would put more pressure on france and would also be more defensively sound.",
"that makes sense! My view is that with you and Russia fighting it out over Scandinavia, I’m a little more worried about protecting myself there.",
"I hope you don’t mind if I go through with Denmark!",
"Okay",
"I also think the move to Belgium puts pressure on France.",
"Germany doesn’t have to disband",
"Wrong person lol"
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"How’s it going Turkey? Looking forward to a fun and exciting game!",
"it's going good!",
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"Greetings, Germany!\n\nThe risk of an early conflict between France and Germany is pretty high, so suggest that we clear the air early on.\n\nThe biggest question here is Burgundy, which borders one of your home supply centers and two of mine. It is important to me that Burgundy remains unoccupied - my suggestion is that we set up a bounce between A Munich - Burgundy, A Paris - Burgundy. This has the secondary benefit of allowing us to put on some theater about how the other broke their word to win sympathy points. I also believe that Germany often wants A Munich to stay put anyways, to guard against an attack through Tyrolia.\n\nLet me also know your thoughts regarding Belgium. I am not super attached to claiming it, so would be open to bargain my support on the Belgian question for a future alliance.\n\nBest of luck to you!",
"Hi France! Thanks for taking the initiative and for your thoughtful message. Let’s do the bounce in Burgundy! I’m really looking forward to getting to know you and everyone in this game!",
"Appreciated. What are your thoughts on F Kiel to Denmark vs Netherlands? Assuming Berlin to Kiel is a typical no brainer",
"I’m going to Hol, if that’s alright with you? I’m very interested in your idea of giving me free pass into Belgium for an alliance against England.",
"I would have preferred a move to Denmark, but Holland isn't a problem for me either - it's up to you.",
"Are you aiming to claim Belgium in year 1? As it is, there's no way for you to get three builds so curious which two you will prioritize.",
"I’m down to do into bel it you feel comfortable with it!",
"I'd personally prefer that you take Denmark and Holland than Belgium, but I won't stop you if you're set on Belgium.",
"Actually just spoke to England, and changed my mind. I think it makes more sense for you to go to Belgium.",
"Why? What did england tell you?",
"What is your relationship with France like?",
"Sorry typo! I meant to say england lol",
"England hasn't been very talkative with me, but our conversation has been pretty cordial",
"Anyways, what are your thoughts in terms of builds? F Kiel is a near given if you want to seize Holland",
"Gotcha. I’m pretty unnerved by the holland move. That wasn’t planned. I told him I wanted to stay nutreal between the two of you as long as I can.",
"Yeah I’m thinking F Kiel, A Ber",
"Taking Belgium so that you could easily fill Holland later seems a bit aggressive for someone wishing to stay neutral",
"Yeah that was not the move in retrospect",
"Got too big for my bridges",
"Still, even if that his reasoning, it seems like a very bold move by England",
"Yeah it makes me uncomfortable",
"Well, things could be a lot worse. If Russia had convoyed A Livonia to Sweden, they could occupy the Baltic",
"Curious to see what England will build though",
"Me too.",
"It will be very telling.",
"I’m definitely interested in working out a peace on our front so I can focus on battening down the hatches from the English attack.",
"I'm always happy to listen to offers. What were you thinking?",
"I mean I’m pretty much at your deposal",
"Literally I’m really annoyed that england moved into holland and so I’m down to organize a sea lion on your terms",
"My fleet in Brest will hopefully pressure England into moving to the channel, meaning that you might be able to take Holland with Belgium and Kiel",
"Can then backfill with A Kiel and aim to get your fleets at sea to convoy A Denmark out",
"Would want to see A Munich go east instead of continuing to bounce in Burgundy as well",
"Let me know your thoughts on these",
"Put some more thought into it, and I think my earlier suggestion is stupid. Please ignore it.\n\nI think we will need to gauge whether Russia will move against England. To that end, suggest that F Kiel move to Heligoland while A Munich supports A Berlin to Kiel",
"We can then see if Russia attacks Norway before taking first steps.",
"My sense is that Russia is looking to move against England",
"Current orders: F Bel H, A Den H, A Ber - Kie, F Kie - HEL, A Mun S Ber - Kie",
"Got it, makes sense",
"Hey France - can you explain your burgundy move to me? It’s really hard for me not to read your moveset as you and England teaming up against me.",
"I'll be blunt - I think it's very difficult for France to work with Germany while Germany holds Belgium. There's simply nowhere else that French armies can go",
"With the moves I suggested to you, you should be well placed to seize Holland while I take Belgium. This would then put us in place to evict England from the North Sea and convoy out",
"If you are interested in working together, you should order A Kiel & F Heligoland support F Belgium - Holland, or else use F Heligoland and F Belgium to attack the North Sea. In my view, yielding Belgium is a precondition to further co-operation",
"Makes sense! I got a little over-ambitious on the Belgium play and am open to yielding it to you.",
"My fear is that you will work with England to attack Mun.",
"It would be an extremely risky proposition for me, since A Ruhr is likely to have it's support cut.",
"A Burgundy S A Ruhr - Munich is more likely to succeed, but I don't see what's in it for me",
"Okay, so my attempt to attack you went nowhere",
"Would you be willing to bury the hatchet and focus on England?",
"Not asking you to trust me on this before I demonstrate my seriousness",
"But assuming I go to the channel, would you be willing to follow with an attack on NTH?",
"I am very very on board",
"Let me look at it I’m out right now but I am very interested in that move",
"Right, I've already asked Russia about this, they should be on board",
"My suggestion is:\nF Pic - ENG\nA Bit - Pic\nF Hol & F Nwy S F HEL - NTH\nA Kie S F Hol H",
"Let me know your thoughts, but keep in mind that it's getting late in central Europe time, so I might not be able to change the orders before the deadline if you suggest revisions",
"What are your planned moves?",
"What is Russia thinking of doing?",
"I think Russia is on board with those moves",
"Apologies, I didn't see these because I forgot to rate some earlier messages",
"We need to do something about Russia though - they are now twice the size of the next biggest power",
"I can withdraw from Burgundy if that would ease cooperation",
"Yeah withdraw if you like",
"What are you thinking with Russia?",
"Russia is on track to winning. I think we need to out in a united front to contain them.",
"If Denmark and NTH hit Norway and Sweden while Hol backfills to NTH, that would put a lot of pressure on them",
"Munich could also go to Silesia while Ruhr fills into Munich",
"Russia is well on their way to winning - we need to put up a united front against them if we want to have a shot",
"Are you in?"
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"As I'm sure you know, Turkey is a potential threat to us both. I'd like to talk to you about possibly curtailing that threat.",
"I can't be online but I am open to hearing your ideas",
"*** online too much longer is what I meant to type",
"Well, the ideas mostly consist of cooperating to take them down, you, me, and the Italians. I'm going to be moving from Warsaw to Ukraine to take Romania and I'm going to be bouncing them in the Black Sea.",
"so. I am open to working with you.. but I would like to see you leave Gal as a neutral territory and I will as well",
"That's my intent; I was going to ask you to do the same but you beat me to it.",
"sounds good. we will do that and learn that we can trust one another",
"Excellent, looking forward to working together.",
"great. enjoy your weekend and catch you in the fall season 🙂",
"I can use the army in Rumania to support you into Bulgaria this season and the Turks can't stop it.",
"Ok, I've actually made a huge planning breakthrough, bear with me. I've got the Turks duped into thinking I'm on their side, so I'm going to be supporting them to stay put in Bulgaria in Spring. Their plan is to move their fleet in Constantinople to the Aegean and for the plan to work it's important that that succeed.\n\nIn the Fall, I'm going to be convoying an army directly into Constantinople, because the Turks are allowing me to move my fleet into the Black Sea. We'll have them destroyed within the next year, and then we can pivot to the French and Germans.",
"so... if they are letting you into the black sea then why don't you support me into Bulgaria and then I can support you into Constantinople? they made a bad move in the first year so together we could take them out I believe pretty handily",
"For several reasons: If we take Bulgaria this season they're pushed back into Constantinople with the possibility of three units supporting and not even close to enough units for us to push through them. If we take Constantinople and Bulgaria simultaneously in Fall, we not only deprive them of an additional build, we also put ourselves in the position to destroy them in the next year completely.",
"Hey, you cool? You're making a lot of aggressive moves here. I need you to chill out before you ruin the entire offensive. I told you well in advance of the end of the turn that I was tricking the Turks here and that we'd have you in Bulgaria by the end of this turn, why are you doing this?",
"i didn't believe you. if you really wanted to work with me there was no reason not to help me into bulgaria when i could have then leant my help in return. all you had to do was move moscow into sevestapol and your fleet into black sea and we could have been golden. when you told me you weren't going to help that said to me that this is a set up. I am not sure where this leaves us but we could have been in a much stronger position",
"Are you serious? Did you even read what I sent to you? I told you that we were going to take Constantinople and Bulgaria in one fell swoop in the fall, take the Turks completely by surprise and have them annihilated before the next build phase; if the army in Bulgaria was knocked back to Constantinople we'd have another two years of maneuvering to knock them out ahead of us. You ruined that.",
"dude... look at the map/ that would not work.",
"unless he was completely stupid there is no chance that could possibly have worked",
"It literally did work! It would have worked like a charm if you hadn't messed it up! The Turks trust me implicitly! I could have landed in Constantinople and they'd have been taken entirely by surprise because they thought I was allied to them! I told you literally all of this",
"so you were trusting him not to do that as well even with his army sittin right in Arm",
"then at best you et the territory you wanted. i get nothing, and at worst he takes sevestopol from you because that is what he told me he was going to do",
"no because if that was the case they wouldnt trust me and the would defend bulgaria",
"sorry man ive played this too many times to know what was likely to happen in that situation",
"His army in Armenia is a feint, play fighting because he didn't want you and Italy to think that we were on the same side, which I specifically told you was happening because I needed you to fucking trust me when, for one turn, I supported the Turks to stay put to keep the subterfuge up. I was going to build in Sevastopol to prevent them coming toward me once the act fell, you were going to be 2:1 going into Bulgaria because the Italians were going to cut its only possible support. You were going to get Bulgaria, I'd get Constantinople, and the next season would see us wipe them out the rest of the way.",
"again. if he is trusting you then he is not trusting me. which means you take the territory and I dont",
"Are you a fucking amateur? Greece+Serbia outnumbers Bulgaria, they can't get support from the Aegean because the Italians were going to cut that support, it was going to be a fucking walk-in victory with the added bonus of forcing that army to disband because I'd have parachuted into Constantinople.",
"I have the Turks practically taking marching orders from me, this was going to be the perfect offensive until you decided to go off script.",
"Whatever, it doesn't matter. We can get back on track; The Turks are going to go whole-hog on Greece, you'll have to support it to keep it. Remove yourself from Galicia away from my territory, regain my trust, and we'll restart from where we were Spring this year. If you don't, then you've got quite the situation on your hands. One that Austria never wins.",
"the only way he can take greece is with your help",
"which means why would i trust you and leave galicia",
"there needs to be some sort of trade that might make things believeable between the 2 of us",
"He's assuming that you're going to use all your support on attacking Rumania and that Italy's going to make another play for the Eastern Med, obviously. In fact, it's not even possible for me to anything more than tangentially involved, and that's assuming that you were going to use your support from Serbia toward Greece anyways. I'm just telling you what he told me, if you want to criticize his tactics talk to him. \n\nWhat's this trade you're proposing?",
"Quite frankly, since you're the one doing the betraying and I have thusfar told you literally nothing but the truth and tried to help you, I feel absolutely no need to give you much, but I'm curious about your proposal anyways.",
"No proposal then?",
"I was not home for the night.",
"Ah, I see.",
"well i am going to watch the caps hockey game. I will be back after to see what you have to say.. but any suggestion will have to go along with you trusting me to leave my army in gal. in exchange you would have to help me somehow and if the trust holds then next year i could move out of gal. anyhow. i will be back on probably around 10:30p",
"out watching the caps vs bruins game with some friends",
"anyhow. my suggestion was going to be I stay in gal for a turn and you support me into bulgaria with rum. that still allows you to also take one of turkeys territories if he still trusts you. if that happens I move out of gal next turn renewing the safe border and then we finish off turkey",
"we can still accomplish the same thing",
"im honestly not sure how we trust each other right now. it would be a leap on both our parts.",
"what are your thoughts? I need to make moves and get some sleep!",
"Ill check messages in the morning before I make moves. I need to get some sleep. until later",
"No. I did nothing to break your trust. You move out of Galicia or I won't deal with you. We made an agreement, I told you in advance of all my plans and you raised only minimal objections, before deciding to make moves to betray me. \n\nI won't be coerced into allowing you to break our very first agreement just because you didn't think hard enough about what I told you to see how it would work.",
"i wrote that since it didn't seem like you were responding.",
"i will move out of galecia",
"Alright, I'll support you into Bulgaria then.",
"why didn't you take con?",
"Because I didn't have the chance to change my orders and was in full panic mode about you betraying me when I wrote them.",
"ah well. i didn't get to edit my orders either",
"i didnt realize he was going to adjusticate so quickly",
"i was trying to adjust my orders after i saw your message",
"ah well. i need to go to bed. im too tired for this. good night",
"Sleep well",
"Hey, I can get the Italians to back off of Tyrolia if you disband the fleet in the Adriatic instead of the one in Albania. They need to fight the French off and their move into Greece and Tyrolia was something that was going to be called off if last night's adjudication hadn't happened so damn fast."
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"Hey Austria, just dropping in to say hello. Our paths probably won’t cross for a while, but may I suggest you attack Russia? I think an Austria-turkey alliance would work well, since I’ve seen *WAY* to many games where Russia is left to their own devices and all of the sudden have half the board. Anyways, good luck and have fun!",
"I wish you luck as well. perhaps we can work together further into the game.",
"So.. what are you thinking about Russia? I would hate to see them run off with the game this early on... especially because turkey doesn't seem like the most competent player.",
"I am honestly undecided. Russia had a nice first turn, but we also agreed on a good neutral territory and that promise was kept so.. I like people who are trustworthy"
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"Hey there neighbor",
"Thoughts on how we want to split the Balkans?",
"Hello there yourself",
"what are your thoughts? I haven't spoken to anyone else yet so. I am open to ideas before that. We would most certainly need to deal with Russia sooner rather than later",
"Agreed -- I'd rather deal with Russia from the get go as well. Have you heard anything from Italy tho? I'm kind of worried of committing north if they're an unknown quantity",
"All I have heard from Italy thus far is they don't want to fight so... hopefully that is the case",
"yea, hopefully -- my hands are kinda tied until they commit somewhere tho, so I'll probably be playing pretty neutral too",
"Italy also mentioned they were interested in going for Greece, so might be best to go there with support just in case ya",
"I appreciate the heads up. why didn't you move your army in Smyr up?",
"This setup is better for fending off Italy if they come my way, and I also have the option of going to Arm this turn",
"So what's the plan now?",
"I am not sure. things are certainly a lot tighter. And it is more difficult since you didn't move your army up earlier. what ideas do you have?",
"Hey... haven't heard from you. I would like to make some plans for movement",
"Sorry, your messages just came though for some reason",
"we could coordinate an attack on Rum while I deploy my fleets towards Italy perhaps?",
"just so you know. I think we should be working against Russia. Apparently you let him know that you would let him into the black sea which he is talking to me about taking advantage of... if you help me into rum we should be able to get you into sevestapol in the fall",
"I agree -- I figured getting into sev could be easier if he thinks he can move his fleet",
"I currently have my orders supporting Ser, unless you want to go with Bud instead?",
"i told russia i would help him take con in fall if he helps me take bulgaria in spring",
"i think that would work right?",
"if you move fleet smy into con and con into ank i think he would be able to stop us from getting you into sevastapol",
"I would prefer budapest",
"if he believes me then that could work really well for us.",
"Alright, sounds like a plan then",
"cool. I think this could work out really well",
"Sorry I had to lead you along like that -- I wasn't sure if you'd go along with this plan, but now Russia trusts me so we can definitely get into rum and sev and they won't have time to retaliate with the fleet in Bla",
"dude. I don't think you get how this works. There is zero reason for me to trust you now, and you gave up a great opportunity to hurt a difficult to deal with country. plus you gave up the black sea which lets him threaten Con and Ank.",
"one thing i will say is you can probably take sevestapol if you want it... i think he trusts you pretty much completely. i don't know his plans now, but before this past turn his entire plans was to work with me to take you out so... i would be warry that he we take territory from you",
"I am a bit new at this stuff, sorry"
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"Greetings, Austria!\n\nWe don't have any immediate discussion points, but thought I would check in with you since it can be dangerous for me if Austria collapses early, and that is a serious risk if Austria is a newbie (not sure if you are).\n\nSuggest that you get Germany on your side early. They will be dangerously exposed if you struggle early. You should ask them to send F Kiel - Denmark with the message to Russia that if he attacks you (with A Warsaw - Galicia instead of Ukraine), he will block them out of Sweden.\n\nGood luck, and have fun!",
"Greetings to you as well. I wish you luck and I will certainly keep all of that in mind",
"Seems like year one went well for you! Have both Greece and Serbia in the bag! How are your feelings on Italy?",
"I am friendly with them thus far. I am open to discussion in general about how we might be able to work together.",
"Haha I'm sure Turkey would be very alarmed to hear that",
"Still though, you seem well placed!",
"Well. I started off friendly with both of them. haven't exactly figured out what I am going to do yet as I am still waiting to hear from both of them at the moment. What is your relationship with Italy like at the moment?",
"There's been some tension as Italy is concerned about my presence in the Mediterranean. However, it seems to be mostly defused. I would prefer to keep things cordial for now",
"If you would be interested in a joint attack, I might change my mind and join, but I am also happy to stand by if you see them as an ally",
"lets see where things lie at the end of this year.",
"Sure, that's reasonable. I think it will be an interesting year",
"Okay, Italy predicted my move to Tuscany, but yyou've been stabbed by Italy as well",
"They'll probably build in Venetia and try to hit Trieste",
"Would you be willing to support me into Venice?",
"probably. I messed up big time with some crappy communication and then last minute moves. I think I much prefer playing this game in person then over the computer",
"The dynamic is definitely very different. Typically misorders are rarer playing on line - which also makes them costlier"
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"Hey Russia, looking forward to a great game 🙃. I think we should discuss Scandinavia 😉 and how to split it up. I’m not interested in attacking you, at least for a while. Hopefully you feel the same way. Anyways, good luck and have fun!",
"Always good to discuss things in advance to avoid unnecessary nonsense. I'm not particularly interested in Norway so long as you're not interested in Sweden.",
"Sounds good",
"That was a hell of a bluff you must have pulled to put that army in the Netherlands",
"Thanks 😊.",
"So I'm guessing you plan on hitting the Germans then? Need help with that?",
"Well... I suppose I could let you have/help with Berlin, but don’t build any fleets",
"That's asking a whole lot considering how the Britain/Russia paradigm often ends.",
"I would like to focus all my attention on Germany, which could leave me a bit exposed. You don’t seem to be meeting all to much resistance over there, and I really don’t want to be attacked from you. I am not interested in attacking you as I have my hands full with Germany, and making sure France doesn’t turn",
"I definitely understand that, and I trust you, but it's better to trust and *also* verify.",
"Verify... how?",
"By making it harder for you to simply walk into St. Petersburg with no consequences, if you chose to do that.",
"Do you think perhaps the French intended to build the opposite things in opposite places? It seems an odd choice to do what they did there.",
"Agreed...",
"Either that or they're up to something very squirrely.",
"This turn's going to be quite a weird one isn't it?",
"I suppose. Any way I can persuade you to give me my supply center back?",
"Considering you tried to land an army, clearly aiming to overpower first St. Petersburg and then Sweden and so on and so forth, I would rather not if I'm honest. It pains me to see that I guessed correctly that you'd try to launch an offensive, but I'm not fool enough to step aside and let it happen now that I know. No offense.\n\nYou could likely walk into Belgium though, considering the Germans and French have talked (Partly through me, which was weird tbh) and agreed that the Germans will walk out, and the French will occupy it with a single unit; you could overpower that easily. I doubt that's part of your plan though all things considered.",
"You sure? France said they were going to support themselves in and, so far they have been 100% honest with me. I totally understand you not giving me Norway back, I would probably do the same. But... what if I did something for you in return? I could support you into Denmark. Frankly, I would rather you have it then them. This would be, of course, provided you give me Norway back.",
"I'm just telling you what they told me dawg.\n\nAnd I'm afraid that for defensive purposes, relinquishing Norway at this point isn't really an option. I can assist you in taking Denmark, and possibly Kiel so long as I get Berlin, but Norway is too vital. I'd need you to get out of the Barents first of course.",
"If I keep attacking Norway, it's really going to gridlock you.",
"If I keep talking to the French and they see you bouncing off of Norway season after season, do you think they might start seeing my point of view?",
"I don't want to, it's bad for me too. Especially if what you said is true, I'm going to lose two centers this turn",
"I'd prefer to take that army elsewhere. Neither of us gains much of anything by being enemies but the more time passes with your fleets so far away from Liverpool, the more the French might see you as an easy target. If you have to deconstruct two units this turn you'd have a hard time stopping them too. That's just my personal take though.",
"No, I'm worried about france too. Why do you care about how well I do?",
"Lol france is asking for me to support into Munich AND belgium, leaving me at 3, them at 7, and liverpool exposed.",
"I'd rather have more troops in the south. Things are getting weird. I also think that France is using you; every time I talk to them they're very lukewarm on the topic of you, furthermore, with them fighting the Germans and soon to be the Italians, they'd be an easy target if you moved fast enough. I think if you talked to the Germans they'd be more than willing to discuss.",
"Also lmao that'd be a disgustingly arrogant deal for them to offer, I almost don't believe you.",
"I stabbed germany with holland, they don't like/trust me. I do get the sense france is trying to use me.",
"No, I'm serious. I tried explaining how stupid that was to them and they were like \"Munich is really importand for France, and from there I could support you into Kiel/Berlin.",
"I think that if you earnestly offered, and proved your willingness to work with the Germans by pulling off of them for a season, that they'd be all too willing to pivot to the French, personally.",
"That's a set up to build a fleet in Brest to pick you off solo, I can almost guarantee it.",
"Or, it's just russia trying to persuade enland to attack France, who he doesn't want to see becoming to powerfull 😉",
"Lol I'm allowed to have ulterior motives aren't I? I admit that that would be a good outcome, but just speaking honestly and frankly, you have no chance of stopping a French solo if all goes wrong for you this turn, how long will it take before they see you as liability that they can't afford? I'm just offering options aside from that, because tbh that's always a depressing outcome for the English.",
"The Entente is a powerful alliance for France, but it's never more than a silver medal for the English.",
"ok. Support me into Denmark this turn and we have a deal",
"Ill attack them",
"I want a season of you backing away from St. Petersburg first. Again, no offense, but if I say \"yes\" to that and you believe me, it's a golden opportunity to take Norway back for you, and I don't know that you'd pass it up.",
"If you're being honest, your fleet has nothing to do in the Barents anyways",
"I still want to do an agreement where I get norway and you get Denmark.",
"Barents would move to Norway",
"Alright, you have yourself a deal. If you're lying though, it's back to basics.",
"I'd prefer we exchange those at a later date though.",
"I... really need supply centers. Let me talk to france and germany, and I'll let you know in a bit what the plan is.",
"If Barents is gone, Nwy isn't a threat. in fact, I am a bit worried that you won't hold your word, and even if you do, Nwy will be easy for you to get with Sweden and Stp",
"If Barents is gone it's 3 v 3 and I wouldn't be able to get back in if I wanted to, you'd still have the North Sea and Norwegian Sea.",
"Well, barring the Germans, but they're about to lose 2 supply centers so not much to fear there.",
"No, i need fleet Nth for many things, and won't always support norway",
"Well that just means you'll have to trust me as much as I'm having to trust you with this move, eh?",
"Yeee",
"Besides, part of you moving away from the Barents is that I want to be able to move that army goddamnit, lol",
"huh?",
"The army in St. Petersburg. St. Petersburg is perhaps the last place I want to have it.",
"Right.... where *is* norway going?",
"Army Stp can't move into the barents...",
"Unless you invented submarines",
"St. Petersburg of course. It's not got much else to go to. I'm proposing BAR as a sort of demilitarized zone; the reason I want the army out of St. Petersburg isn't so I can build there, it's so that it can go help in the south.",
"Moscow, Warsaw, and Sevastapol are all further south than Stp...",
"You are correct, and that's why I want the army to go down there to help out silly head. Not sure where the confusion stems from.",
"\"the reason I want the army out of St. Petersburg isn't so I can build there\". Build in Stp = fleets to attack england",
"OH SHOOT, you said \"isn't\" I thought you said \"is\"",
"lmao",
"Yeah lol, no worries, that shit happens to me all the time.",
"Wait, so do you want to do the norway + denmark thing this turn?",
"That is correct.",
"k",
"I'd prefer to have that buffer period where you move away, but you seem adamant on that.",
"Well, I'm moving away at the same time. It's up to you if you leave Stp there for a turn or not.",
"Where is Nwy going?",
"Well yes, the big concern is whether or not you'll actually support me into Denmark; have your cake and eat it too sort of situation.",
"this move does kinda require a lot of trust",
"I suppose it'd go to Sweden first before heading off to St. Petersburg.",
"Either that or swoop down to the Baltic",
"Ok, I'm going to be 100% honest hear. Its a huge pain in my ass to support you into denmark this turn. I don't want to lose you as an ally. Can we do it next turn?",
"Also I gtg pretty soon, but ill be back withing 1.5 hrs",
"If we don't do denmark this turn, we don't have to do norway this turn, but I would really appreciate it as I need the centers, and also it would be getting out of the Baltic. I don't think I'm going to be able to get out of there otherwise, as I'm not sure my move from NWG to NTH will go through",
"I don't know if I'm going to be losing a supply center in the south this turn, I can't afford to not gain one to compensate, you know how it is. Sorry but I really need Denmark if I'm losing Norway",
"Alright, that's reasonable to me.",
"Not doing the trade this turn I mean",
"Then you not losing a center!",
"It seems as if you are controlling turkey. They are a stupid player and you can steal a center with them.",
"I know that's optimistic, but it's worth a try.",
"🧙♂️",
"God if only you knew how complicated things are down there. For every message doing legwork up here I'm sending two down there, either to the Italians, the Turks, or the Austrians. I definitely can't afford to make an enemy of the Turks right now in any case.",
"😤 fine",
"For all the nail biting I'm doing in the north, I'm like that gif of Jordan Peele from Key and Peele sweating up a storm in the south, lol",
"HOLD UP, russia. your not losing a center. I already owned Norway.",
"I said \"Losing one in the south\" not losing one overall, if I were to give Norway AND then lose a center in the south however, I would be at -1, and have to disband.",
"your not going to lose one in the south",
"Tell that to the Austrians",
"lol. Talk to them. Get turkey to support you.",
"If only it was that easy. The Austrians distrust me now. I'm going to be real with you, they're massive idiots. The Turks already support me but even with their support it's possible to lose either Rumania or Warsaw, depending on if I guess correctly.",
"gah. Fine",
"want to bounce somewhere so it doesn't look like were allies?",
"with Bar",
"You could easily bounce off of Stp or Norway and tell anyone suspicious that you thought you could easily get tricky, or something of that nature.",
"sure",
"JSYK France is being squirrely and talking to me about pivoting on you."
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"Greetings Russia ! I have a proposal for you",
"Excellent! I'm always open to a good proposal. What do you have for me?",
"I figure that since this setup means there are no groups chats, it'll be pretty hard to coordinate against us, so if we can get a Juggernaut rolling, we'll be pretty unstoppable",
"Agreed, though I don't think that it'd be much harder to coordinate through the multiple channels, even if that does mean that there's potentially more room for deception.",
"Well, in any case, if you want to go for it, if definitely be game",
"I'd",
"I'm down for it, sure",
"Great! What do you think about openings then? For now I put in something pretty standard, but if you want we could also try something fancier",
"Also a heads up, at anyone nosing around, I'm acting like I'm not sure what I'm doing / considering going after you -- just thought you should hear it from me first",
"I think we should stay conventional for the time being, after all, it's convention for a reason. And that's a good policy, keep your opponents underestimating you and they'll be surprised when you start whupping them.",
"Alrighty, sounds good to me",
"So a bounce in Bla then?",
"Sounds good to me",
"👍",
"Would you be ok holding sev this turn so I can start to send my fleet towards the Mediterranean?",
"if so, one idea we could go for if we want to simulate conflict between us is I move to rum, and you support yourself in, so it looks like I was trying to bounce you",
"hopefully then you can get Austria to trust you and leave themselves vulnerable",
"Can do, and also I very much like that idea, keeps them from catching on too early.",
"Great, sounds like a plan then",
"I'll probably be sending my other army to Syria then, so I can build a fleet in Smy and start moving West",
"Unless you think it should go to Armenia for extra play action?",
"Armenia makes it harder to be in position when the fighting starts if you ask me, from Syria you can easily convoy out, but either way works for me.",
"mm, thats fair yea -- I'll think it over and get back to you on that then",
"ok, so here's what Im thinking: I'm pretty suspicious of a Lepanto coming from Italy/Austria, so I don't think I'll really have the opportunity to convoy in the immediate future\nThat being said, I think we can still make good progress if we can catch Austria by surprise with our alliance, so I'd say it's more important to prioritize the fake aggression\nAnd then in the spring, the army can fall back to Syria/Smyrna to block up a Lepanto if it comes to that",
"That scans to me, yeah. It certainly is shaping up to be a pretty standard Lepanto right now.",
"What's the plan for Spring? Do we spring the trap now?",
"I think we probably should -- do we want to attack ser right away or just focus on holding what we have while we bring our other units into position?",
"Attacking Serbia without support moving into Bulgaria risks leaving it empty with an enemy fleet in the Aegean if the Austrians attack with the fleet in Greece, and would likely just bounce if they tried to attack with the army in Serbia. Maybe wait a turn to get fleets into better positions?",
"Alrighty, I'd be on board with that",
"Would it be possible to get your support in holding onto Bul then, or do you think we should keep up our pretending? (if possible, id like to be able to move my fleet to aeg)",
"I can do that yeah. Things would be easier and more fluid defensively if I moved into the Black Sea, but I get if that would be trusting me a little farther than you're willing to.",
"I was just about to suggest that myself actually -- tho the support in Bul would still be appreciated for this turn",
"Alright, just didn't want to overstep the lines, you know how it is. I can probably even use it to keep up the subterfuge even with supporting you, since it would be really easy to misclick supporting Bulgaria to stay put rather than supporting Serbia to Bulgaria.",
"Do you think you'll move both fleets out or support one into the Aegean?",
"I was thinking of moving both out but I'm not 100% decided yet",
"Well a standard Lapanto requires that Italy move into Eastern Mediterranean, so at worst if the Austrians try to move into the Aegean you'd have both bounced. I can talk to both of them and ensure that the Austrians don't do that though, so you can bounce the Italians *and* succeed at moving into the Aegean.",
"That would be the ideal, if you supported into the Aegean the Italians would succeed at moving into the Eastern Med and then you'd have problems.",
"That's what I was hoping for yea -- though I'm also not really sure whats up with the Austrian fleet build",
"Yeah, the Italians are on edge about that as well. The Austrians are opaque though since they only speak in a single 10 minute period on any given day.",
"ain't that the truth rip lol",
"Hey, I think I can get the Italians on our side against Austria, are you willing to let them have Greece?",
"I'd be ok with it in the short term maybe, but if they get too big, itll be kinda hard for me to make any sorta progress in the med ya",
"Yeah, obviously it's temporary, but in the short term having them on our side helps us speed Austria's demise significantly, and their position will be absurdly weak.",
"Thanks for the backup in Rumania btw, didn't suspect that the Austrians would catch on before we'd gotten started. I'll likely need that support again I'm afraid.",
"Alright, thats fair yea; and especially with France in the west, we should be ok to take out Italy after",
"Yeah, so the usefulness of getting Italy Greece is significant since it gets them a build to use on Austria's second front, and puts more friendly units on our very own front line. I take it you and they have started speaking?",
"Yep",
"Good good, we'll have the Austrians on the ropes by the end of next year hopefully.",
"👍",
"BTW I'm feeding Austria a heaping helping of bullshit right now to try and get them to back up off of me so that I can be in better position to attack, just in case they try to snitch and show you the bullshit I'm telling them. I'm still playing them as if I'm their friend who wants to regain their trust and attack you.",
"But yeah, just to be clear before nightfall, you're going to support an Italian convoy to Greece right? Just want to make sure that things don't go wrong for want of communication.",
"Yea that's the plan",
"Just to be clear, you're also supporting Bul right",
"Of course, if Austria got squirrely and took Bulgaria it'd be a disaster for both of us.",
"I could also have Rumania support an attack on Bulgaria to cut support if he sees an attack coming from there (And even possibly take it) if you like, but that has some risks attached I think.",
"An attack on Serbia, sorry.",
"Yea, Greece just retreats to bul then, and it gets messy for me",
"Oh yeah they would, wouldn't they? I didn't even think of the retreat tbh. I'll support you to hold then.",
"If you want to get fancy, we could both tap ser, and with tun hitting Greece, Bul would be safe -- that does put rum at risk tho so it's a bit dicey",
"Yeah, I'd rather keep Rumania in place just in case the Austrians decide to throw all their force behind it.",
"Alright, that's fair, just putting the option out there",
"Yeah. So then, we've got Black Sea and Bulgaria supporting Rumania then? Possibly Ukraine if the Italians get Austria to tell them their plans and it turns out that they intends to throw all of their forces behind an attack there.",
"Depending on what the Italians can tell us, we might also need Bla to support bul, (in case Bud taps rum), but pretty much that yea",
"Of course, the intelligence we get defines our strategy. I just hope that the Austrians didn't go AFK for the rest of the night until the orders hit like they normally do.",
"Speaking of going afk, I have to go take a final exam now, but I'm pretty sure my orders are set anyways ?",
"Unless the Italians deliver something earth shattering, I think so yes. Good luck on your test!",
"Thanks :p",
"Are you alright if I build an army in Sevastopol?",
"I'd rather see it in Moscow to be honest, but if you feel like it's necessary I won't object too much",
"I just want to keep the Austrians guessing about what I intend to do with that. Plus, I already convinced them again that I'm on their side despite having supported you for two turns now, so it might be important to speed things up to keep up the pretense that I might think about going toward you. Keep them confused, y'know?",
"Alright, that's fair, just as long as they're the one getting tricked :p",
"Think the Italians and I are supporting you into Serbia first turn, and then me to Budapest the second, that scan as far as what you know?",
"That sounds like what the Italians proposed to me yea",
"Excellent, that'll leave the Austrians on the ropes, we can think about moving on the Italians after that depending on the situation",
"Sorry for the deception -- I only decided at the last minute and I also didn't want any leaks getting to Italy",
"I understand, but it's not like I'm gonna leak to them anyways",
"As long as you'll help Galicia move into Budapest I don't mind",
"Meaning that you'll poke Serbia to break any possible support of course.",
"Alright, will do, thanks for understanding",
"-- oof --",
"Yeah, sorry. For what its worth I fuckin' hate doing this whole 'betrayal' thing to people. It's the worst part of this game. >.>"
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"Greetings, Russia!\n\nWe don't have too much to discuss early on, but I was curious on whether or not you were planning to move A Moscow - St Petersburg, where you could make a play for Norway.\n\nAnd likewise, was curious whether you planned to order F Sevestapol - Black Sea, or else allow Turkey to occupy it.\n\nIt's early, but we might have room to cooperate against England or Germany in the future. Let's keep in touch. Good luck.",
"I'd be very interested in organizing a group effort against Britain right now. I likely won't move to Saint Petersburg the first turn in case the Germans try something but I'm definitely bouncing in the Black sea.",
"Understood, what's your plan then? \n\nYou might consider Moscow to Livonia, which would still improve your situation in the north (since you could convoy to Sweden and then build in StP), while also helping to cover Warsaw.\n\nOr else you could just commit both of your armies to the south.",
"I've spoken with the Germans, and a group effort against the British is likely. I'm still considering various ways to secure my position better, but I think keeping one army put in Moscow offers the best stability for the time being; If the Germans are telling the truth it will likely move to secure a spot in Finland in the second year.",
"I would advise against staying put. Both Ukraine and Livonia can defend 3/4 of your centers. St Petersburg can't be attacked year 1 and the risk to Sevestapol is nominal in year 1, since even if he goes all out you bounce him out of Black Sea and he can only make an unsupported attempt from Armenia",
"Going to Livonia is just as good for defending against Germany but gives you more options in the North",
"Perhaps you're right, but an emergency is more likely to materialize in the south, in the rare case that Austria might deploy full strength against me, and the utility of remaining in Moscow in that case is much greater. I prefer the overall flexibility to the ability to deploy quickly to Scandinavia personally.",
"If you are concerned about the worst case on defense, I would order A Warsaw - Galicia and A Moscow - Ukraine",
"The absolute worst case is: \nA Berlin - Prussia or Silesia\nA Smyrna - Armenia\nF Ankara - Black Sea\nA Vienna - Galicia\nA Budapest S A Vienna - Galicia or - Rumania",
"Even in that nightmare scenario, you can defend all your centers with A Ukraine S Sev H (if Austria went to Rumania) or support Warsaw (if they went to Galicia with support)",
"I have to be careful not to provoke a worst case through concern for it. Remaining in Moscow on the first turn only marginally reduces my ability on the second turn in the north, while it retains the ability to support/ go south quickly if all goes wrong.",
"I'm greatly tempted to take that army to Finland in any case.",
"Have you talked to Italy? Even if you're not going for an Austrian offensive, they could provide a hedge against an Eastward move by Austria. You can also deny working together in the event that Austria is offended by this.",
"The Italians have been relatively tight lipped, they haven't spoken much more than the Austrians and the Austrians haven't spoken at all, which is concerning to say the least.",
"That's... Interesting. In my experience with Italy, Russia is the one country you can rely on, since they're a potential ally against either Austria or Turkey. It's strange that they haven't been recruiting your alliance",
"I haven't heard from Austria either. They're the one player I haven't heard from",
"Well that's reassuring at least. Are the Germans on board for a sea lion in your opinion? They haven't responded to my counter-proposal after they requested they get Norway. Hard to tell if they are unsatisfied or if they simply haven't had time to respond.",
"My conversation with Germany was very brief. All I know is that they agreed to a bounce on Burgundy, which is kind of a no brainer for them if they believe that I am going to Burgundy. Which I am, and I told them so.",
"Alright, they probably spoke to you in the same window of time that they did to me. Did you talk about which of you gets Belgium?",
"We did not. Since I am expecting to get bounced in Burgundy and am not planning to enter the Channel in year 1, I will likely have no say in the Belgian question.",
"I am happy to let England and Germany fight for it",
"Well that reinforces my wish to disallow the Germans the use of Norway, if he's likely to get Belgium then he certainly doesn't need it.",
"Indeed. Seems like a rather greedy fellow.",
"If I was less concerned about the British I'd not consider them as highly for alliance, temporary or otherwise.",
"Interesting sentiment! What makes you so so concerned about the British?",
"I've seen too many Russias undone by British armies in St. Petersburg; their advantage in navy can easily push you out of Scandinavia and your only means to create fleets in the north. Of all Russia's existential threats, they're the worst one because they're Britain's easiest target.",
"At the risk of harping on the same points, this is part of why I find it's important to maintain a strong presence in the north",
"With an army in St Petersburg (ideally), and a fleet in Sweden, not only can you pretty comfortably keep the English out of St Petersburg, you have pretty good odds of evicting them from Norway",
"You could even bounce them in Norway, where they would end up without a build",
"I get that, I just don't see Livonia as having any particular utility that Moscow doesn't have aside from the ability to convoy to Sweden or Finland; but Sweden is a position better served by a fleet anyways. Finland though, is a place built for armies, but I could get there easier via St. Petersburg. I'd like to bounce the Brits in Norway but it's imperative to keep St. Petersburg free for the 1902 build so that I can get a fleet there.",
"I do think that Livonia strengthens your position in the North, but it's more helpful if your target enemy is Germany than England. It allows you to convoy into Sweden in Fall 1901, build in St Petersburg, and then use A St Petersburg and A Sweden to pressure Norway while F Gulf of Bothnia goes to the Baltic",
"If you commit three units to the south or stay in Moscow, you'll have at most one fleet and one army in the north. If you go to St Petersburg, you'll have that number at minimum, and if you convoy to Sweden you can realistically get to two fleets and an army",
"I admit that the concept is warming on me. It also doesn't telegraph to the British that you don't trust them.",
"St Petersburg is vaguely unfriendly, but one which England may not feel pressured to take action on, especially if they are under pressure elsewhere. However, they will most likely see a move to Livonia as an anti-German or a defensive move than one against them.",
"True. Though the German perception of the move is a concern, as much as I don't relish them as allies, I especially don't need them as enemies.",
"I personally think you can probably spin it as a defensive move, but I will acknowledge that it's hard to be sure when Germany has been so tight lipped",
"Right, I just need more communication all around me honestly. I've only really come to a decisive conclusion with the Turks.",
"Yeah, other than yourself, Turkey and Italy have been the only other powers who have been really talkative",
"I've spoken to England and Germany enough to get the key points of alignments across, but not enough to build a relationship. Austria has been totally silent",
"The Italians have only talked to me briefly and the Turks and I just about talked enough to agree to stay out of each other's way and to organize a bounce in the Black Sea.",
"That's the same level as my discussion with Germany - to align to stay out of each other's way.",
"Maybe it's a time zone issue. See if they talk overnight.",
"Perhaps, I just hope the Austrians aren't dead-on-arrival",
"I mean, if they are, you are likely to be one of the beneficiaries. I should be the one saying that!",
"You're right, it's just a much less interesting situation if I just get to walk into Budapest and/or Vienna!",
"Yeah, fair enough! Although it's only marginally worse than Austria just rolling over in the face of a Juggernaut alliance, as happens far too often.",
"That's true; Austria really bums people out but tbh it's my favorite to play.",
"The Germans are really stuck on Norway for some reason.",
"Those cheeky sons of bitches the Germans had me so goddamn worried about getting bounced in Sweden and they didn't even go to Denmark turn one.",
"Sorry for not responding sooner, I got a little drunk last night. But yeah, Austria isn't the strongest country, but playing Austria is kind of exciting in a way. Seems like in this game, both you and Germany are in good terms with them, so they'll probably be alright at least for now.",
"Yeah, so long as they don't make any terrible mistakes",
"Fixating on Norway and then not even going to Denmark is really strange. Not sure they can even get to Norway any time soon. Their move to HOlland instead is a little annoying for me and England, but shouldn't be the end of the world",
"Yeah, I might just take Norway myself. Not any time soon mind, I need to get things relatively resolved in the south far before that.",
"Yeah, it's hard for England to set up a strong defensive position in Norway, and if they were in such a position they'd probably push onwards to StP. So as long as you sort things out defensively you can probably evict England later.",
"The English are getting rather unorthodox aren't they?",
"To be fair, that's partly because they successfully anticipated an unorthodox move by Germany to vacate HOlland",
"And you? I see you decided not to convoy to Sweden",
"Army wouldn't do much good up there, still want to be able to pivot away if other issues arise. Better to potentially get the fleet out of the Baltic.",
"If you convoy, you could get to the Baltic anyways, while having A Sweden which pressures both Denmark and Norway, as opposed to the passive A Livonia",
"No I mean out of the Baltic, the whole body of water, to the Skagerrak (Potentially)",
"Oh, that's more interesting",
"You would definitely need to get through England to get anywhere in that direction. Does that mean you're thinking of building in StP nc?",
"Indeed, it's all a future thing though, I've got no plans as yet for anything like that, gotta resolve the south a bit better first. And yeah, I'm definitely building a fleet in StP NC, can't afford the Brits deciding that I look like an easy target.",
"Words to live by! And I assume the second build will be an army in Warsaw? Where do you stand regarding Turkey and Austria?",
"Warsaw's neutral ground, as agreed with the Germans, so the second comes in Moscow.",
"As far as Turkey and Austria goes, I'm inconclusive. Austria doesn't talk much but then again, neither does Turkey.",
"I feel like if you build in Moscow and already have a unit standing by in Livonia, you could very easily end up being very passive.",
"Also, I just noticed Turkey's move to Armenia",
"Yeah, Turkey and I are having a nice talk about that, as much as can be, but they don't seem particularly determined to come after me considering they didn't touch the Black Sea. That definitely contributes to the south being \"Inconclusive\" as I said.",
"They can though, at least if they're not afraid of the Austrians. They would just build a fleet in Ankara and support themsleves in",
"That would be intensely concerning, but I very seriously doubt that Austria would be on board, and even if they are I don't feel as though the Italians would be interested.",
"That's true. I guess if you feel comfortable with Austria and Italy, it's a reasonable position",
"Right, barring a worst case scenario the situation in the south is stable at least.",
"But not especially looking to go on the offensive?",
"Oh I will be, just depends on which one ends up being more convincing in the next half-day.",
"Odd choice to build the fleet in Brest.",
"Without any fleets in the north I will be too vulnerable to a potential English stab",
"Well we're of the same mind on that front at the very least. They certainly didn't appreciate when I did that though and I warned them in advance, did you at least clear it with them?",
"I warned then in advance, but I'm not sure they saw it and they were unhappy either way",
"However, I think Germany's moves have locked England and Germany into conflict, and I'm sure he'll forget about it after some success on the German front",
"I wouldn't be so sure of that if I was you, the Italians tell me that the English are angrily blabbing about your plans to attack Italy with the forces you have in the south.",
"There are no such plans... Time to do some damage control I guess",
"Yeah, I figured it seemed fishy since if you planned to attack the Italians surely you'd have built another fleet in Marseilles.",
"You know, I hate to sound like a broken clock, but you could be in Liverpool before the British could even do anything to stop you, if you started now and were sufficiently sneaky about it.",
"I'll definitely take that under advisement. Of course, it would be a lot more tempting if a foreign fleet were in the Norwegian Sea or something",
"I'm sure the British will be sufficiently distracted with trying to keep me from being tempted to take Norway and continuing the German campaign.",
"Any pertinent information on the British plan that you know and/or are willing to give out by the way? Since they're being so imaginative with your plans and all.",
"Nothing concrete, but they've indicated to me that they feel like they are on good terms with you, which might mean that they plan to prioritize defending Belgium over defending Norway",
"Sorry, Holland",
"Excellent, they'll definitely need to do that if they intend to keep that foothold and expand it.",
"That does leave them vulnerable to an attack on Norway, however",
"They're either vulnerable to one or vulnerable to the other, they can't have a guaranteed hold on both until Fall, and that's only assuming that their positioning relative to Germany doesn't worsen significantly.",
"Yeah, and the other complication is that they can only go to Norwegian Sea to shore up their position .",
"Indeed, if they move to the Helgoland Bight or Skagerrak to try and make room for more fleets to use against Germany they risk losing Netherlands and the foothold that they had established, with no more means of gaining ground against the Germans. If they had built in London they could move to the Channel to try and strongarm Belgium, but they built an army there instead.",
"Of course if they felt comfortable with you, F Norway could go to Skagerrak to shore things up",
"If they felt comfortable I doubt they'd have bothered to build a fleet that can go directly to the Norwegian Sea rather than one that can almost immediately deploy to harass and/or support Belgium.",
"To be honest I\"m not sure I get the A London build at all. Liverpool is better placed for convoying since you could go to Clyde if you wanted to convoy through the North Sea",
"I understand and appreciate that, if he intended to respect our demilitarization of the English Channel and expected me to do the same, F Edinburgh is better than F London",
"But why A London then?",
"Yeah, it's not a terribly competent build order all things considered. The fact that in one turn Liverpool can move to be convoyed through any sea zone around Britain means that it's significantly better for that, London only makes sense as a sedentary defensive move.",
"I'm not sure it makes sense even as a defensive move. IN the event that I stab and go to the channel, they would likely be reluctant to use A London to bounce the convoy in Wales",
"While it can obviously cover London itself, in that sense it is little better than Liverpool -> Yorkshire",
"That's very true. Even in the context of pure defense it doesn't make a great deal of sense, especially given the likelihood of an attack originating around Liverpool and Wales.",
"I suspect the thought process was more on the lines of initially wanting to build a fleet in London, deciding I would likely see that as an act of aggression, and changing it to an army",
"Perhaps? Seems like an error of not enough foresight if that's the case.",
"It still scans as a move to try and counter your influence or serve as a jumping off point for a surprise attack.",
"Even for a surprise attack, F Nth - Eng, A Liverpool - York would make more sense",
"Yeah, I'm not sure what they're doing, or if they even know what they're doing.",
"Well, I feel pretty vindicated in taking Norway.",
"Indeed. You should be able to hold both it and StP without much trouble now. Very aggressive attack by England",
"Just wish the Austrians hadn't decided to ruin literally everything.",
"Look on the bright side. Turkey seems firmly in your camp now. With their help Austria should be easy to manage",
"Not without losses unfortunately. You know it might be more easy for me to put a fleet in the Norwegian sea if you didn't put so much pressure on the Germans.",
"What assistance would you need from Germany? A Denmark is probably at your disposal - it can do nothing useful in the west. I've discussed with Germany a deal in which they take the North Sea but yield Belgium to me. They seemed receptive but it might just be saving face - you should approach them with a similar offer.",
"You can no more help them take the North Sea than they can prevent you from taking Belgium, I think that the deal needs to be a bit better than that.",
"And I mostly just need Germany's fleets to be free and clear to operate without possibly being harassed by French troops, because with German fleets I can free myself from Scandinavia, free an army for use in the south, and just over-all better my position on the board. It'd be pretty nice.",
"I think the point is less that I would help them take the North Sea, and more that they should accept the loss of Belgium as a fait accompli and focus on the north sea",
"Less a real alliance and more being a thought partner - I'm happy to talk to anyone, after all",
"Here's a proposal for you: We'll all trick the British together yes? You have their trust, you can convince them that because I'm going to use all my resources to clamp down Norway, meaning that they cannot possibly take it, and that since the Germans are obviously going to support Munich with the army in Kiel that they cannot take it. Furthermore, \"you got the Germans to admit\" That they will only be coming to Netherlands with the fleet in Belgium + the fleet in the Helgoland Bight.\n\nThus you suggest that they do a supported move to the Netherlands using F North Sea and A Ruhr to block that, while you take Belgium.\n\nThis will fool them sufficiently that the Germans can use the army in Kiel to support the fleet in Belgium into the Netherlands as well as the fleet in the Bight, ceding Belgium to you in the process, while also freeing me of one necessary support so that I can move from Sweden to Skagerrak, and the British lose two of their units this build phase. Questions?",
"In this scenario, you could propose something on the lines of:\nA Kiel S F Belgium - Holland\nA StP S F Sweden - Norway\nF HEL S F Norway - Nth",
"This would secure Norway and Holland while also having good odds of catching England by surprise and seizing the North Sea",
"That would bounce in Netherlands if they decided to use the North sea to move, but I'm assuming that you would be convincing them to do the opposite?",
"Well, that depends on what's in it for me. I'm happy to talk, but if you want concrete action there's a few more points that need to be ironed out.",
"Firstly, I already have Belgium in the bag, and similarly you have secured Norway. Further action rests on the premise that we would like to help Germany at England's expense. I've yet to be convinced of this",
"If you secure the north sea while controlling Scandinavia, you are likely to capture the lion's share of England's centers, after all.",
"You misunderstand me, I want to crush the British for our mutual gain/security. Helping the Germans has nothing to do with it materially, it's about eliminating a mutually existential threat.",
"All I'd realistically ever want is Edinburgh",
"If you send even one fleet to harass the English I could break out of their cordon and we could split them in two, once they're dead I don't give a toss about the Germans, you can do with them what you will.",
"I think it would better serve my interests to crack Germany first, and then help you fight England. You and Germany actually have reasonably robust defensive positions against England, after all",
"If you like you could accelerate that process by occupying the Baltic",
"I can't occupy the Baltic until the English are gone. Full stop. I have had no opportunity to attack the Germans at all with the English riding my ass like they are, and won't for the foreseeable future if they keep those fleets hovering around me. I think it'd be far better for both of our peace of minds if we went for the one directly between us last.",
"That's reasonable, I suppose. I think at this point my inclination is to seize Belgium and see how things play out from there",
"I don't feel like I'm at risk of being attacked by a English-German alliance, which also means I'm not under a lot of pressure to commit to a side now",
"Well hopefully the British lose Netherlands, destroying two of their units would be nice; Hopefully that'd help convince you to take the side with the upper hand as well.",
"At least until the Germans lose their utility.",
"Okay, my attack on England went nowhere, probably time to pivot",
"You sure you didn't mean Italy?",
"I actually meant Germany, but my attack on Italy didn't go anywhere either",
"Probably pivot and attack England like you and Germany wanted",
"That'd be pretty cool of you.",
"I think in practice, that means F Picardy - ENG, and A Burgundy - Picardy",
"It would be really helpful if you and Germany could evict England from the north sea as possible, which should be possible with\nF Nwy & F Hol S F HEL - NTH\nA Kie S F Hol H",
"I'll relay to the Germans",
"It's kind of a bummer that the English went idle.",
"Indeed.... These things happen, but it's always frustrating",
"Great turn for you it seems though!",
"Oh definitely, I'm on fire over here.",
"Should we pull the trigger on a stab on Germany? England is as good as done"
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"Heya there, just dropping in to say hello",
"Hey turkey. Our paths probably won’t cross for a while l, but may I suggest you attack Russia? I’ve seen way to many games where Russia is ignored and all of the sudden they have half the board. Anyways, good lucks and have fun!",
"Thanks! I'll definitely see what I can do, a big Russia is just as bad for me as everyone else",
"Sweet!",
"I was talking with Russia, negotiating over Norway and such. They told me they were planning on attacking you, as they thought I was there ally. The truth is, I really don't want to see russia run off with this game, so I decided to let you know.",
"Thanks for the heads up"
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"Hey France 😁. I would like to suggest an alliance between the two of us, against Germany. In my opinion a England-France alliance is super powerful, especially if we can trust each other. Germany has reached out to me about an alliance to attack you, but franly I think France as a country is a much more powerful ally.To start I suggest we have the English Channel as a DMZ and coordinate and attack on Germany. Anyways good luck and have fun!",
"Dear England,\nI completely agree that the French-English alliance can be quite powerful. Naturally, the main sticking point early on is whether we can trust each other to demilitarize the Channel.\nOn my end, I have little reason to go there unless I distrust you. I plan to go to Mid-Atlantic, which would allow me to move to Spain (south coast) and establish an early presence in the Mediterranean. Will also aim to get into Burgundy, where I can potentially support you into Belgium.\nMy suggestion is that you open with:\nF Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea\nF London - North Sea \nA Liverpool - Yorkshire\nThis guarrenteed you a build in Norway even if Russia moves A Moscow north, while potentially letting you convoy into Belgium. And you can be safe in the knowledge that either A Yorkshire or F North Sea can cover London in the event that I don't keep my word.\nLet me know your thoughts. Good luck to you as well!",
"Sounds good!",
"How are your relations with Germany?",
"Getting into burgundy would be great. I’ll work some magic with Germany and try to get them to not move there.",
"Relations with Germany are not outright hostile, but it's a little tense. Bounce in Burgundy is about what could be expected. \nSince they moved to Holland in Spring, you'll need to talk to them regarding the Belgium question. But they can probably be brought around. I'll move to Burgundy again, but probably expecting another bounce",
"So... the thing is, their going to have to choose between Belgium and Denmark. If I let germany have Belgium, I could get Denmark, and have full control of scandinavia by 1902, from where I could launch a full-fledged russia attack",
"I'm surprised Germany is on board with this",
"It means allowing you to border Kiel. But if they're sincere, and not just offering it because it would be easier for them to capture Denmark next year than Belgium",
"Then it could set you up well. I assume you are convoying into Denmark then?",
"Well... germany isn't on board with this... yet. I messaged them but they havn't responded yet",
"Well, it certainly strengthens our alliance a lot if you are able to occupy Denmark. We would be far better placed to partition Germany, and it would be easier to check Russian expansion",
"So if you're comfortable with it, I suggest we just go ahead. Even if Germany causes problems, the two of us should be able to handle them.",
"Well... if Germany moves into Denmark, it sucks for me.",
"The last I spoke to Germany, they seemed interested in Belgium, but I'm not sure they had fully thought through the fact that taking Belgium would mean giving up on either Denmark or Holland",
"It's obviously not ideal, but a bounce in Denmark would still be manageable - you still get one build in Norway, and Germany would also be limited to one build in that scenario",
"I’ll wait and see what Germany messages me back",
"Deadline is coming up. Suggest you submit draft orders and revise them if/when Germany gets back",
"Germany just said their not willing to give up on denmakr",
"Oh... Have they offered you Belgium in exchange?",
"I don't think it's going to happen. I'm not going to move to denmark.",
"Also germany said you reached out to them about turning on me?",
"I'm not sure if Germany is flat out lying, or if they're misunderstanding what I told them",
"I told them that I'd be willing to let them have Belgium, which they then (unprompted) took to mean I was offering them Belgian in exchange for an alliance against you. However, what I meant was that it was just acknowledging facts. I couldn't stop them from taking Belgium even if I wanted to.",
"I think it's already pretty clear that I trust you more than I trust Germany, just from the fact that I agreed to demilitarize the English Channel while we had an arranged bounce in Burgundy",
"Ok... I believe you. Also, I don't think germany is the most seasoned diplomacy player... he told me he wanted to have an alliance with me, but that I HAD to give him belgium, holland, and denmark in return",
"Yeah, Germany seems like a rather greedy player",
"Didn’t get into Denmark, but Holland is very nice as well",
"Indeed, congrats!",
"What's your plans for build? I was thinking of building A Marseilles to support myself into Burgundy and advance against Germany",
"And then couple that with F Brest, which could go to Picardy to contest Belgium",
"Also you can probably guess just based on your current situation, but Germany as approached me about an alliance against you",
"Right. Hopefully you stick with the more competent player 😉",
"Honestly, I figured I should do my due diligence and consider it, but I can't figure out how a France-German alliance would even work in this situation. It's not as if he could support me into Belgium",
"U could tell him yes and then use that to stab",
"I might do that, but he's in a tight defensive enough position as is",
"Which is why you would do that...",
"Im thinking a build in london and a fleet in edinburg",
"As in, army in London and fleet in Edinburgh?",
"yea",
"Makes sense!",
"Frankly, I don't like your fleet in Bre. An army could have contested Belgium as well.",
"If you move it to the english channel... I'm going to take that as on obvious sign of aggression, and cover London. If you move it to picardy, were all good.",
"Lol both russia and Italy reached out to me asking if you had accidentally switched those builds... I agree with them, they do seem pretty strange",
"Strange or not, I'm fairly sure I told you earlier that I was thinking of building a fleet and Brest and didn't get any objections",
"But at any rate, I can promise you that it will be going to Picardy rather than to the Channel. If it does go to the Channel, you should see that as an act of aggression on my part",
"So, I've heard that you told Italy I'm planning to attack them with the fleet in Spain?",
"Never said that...",
"Interesting. Well, anyways that's not important. I'd like to apologise again for building the fleet in Brest without proper consultation - I assumed that you saw the message and were okay with it",
"I will move to Picardy and continue our demilitarization of the English Channel. Hopefully we can put this behind us and focus on Germany",
"Nice",
"I should also be able to get into Burgundy, which would strengthen our position facing Belgiim",
"Good.",
"Where do you stand regarding Russia by the way?",
"I’m good with them, just trying to talk to other countries to try to keep a balance of power over there in the south. Turkey is basically free centers, and Russia is looking a little worrying.",
"Turkey's move to Armenia should be a bit reassuring to you, since it puts pressure on Russia not to focus too much in the north",
"But it's a little... Half-hearted?",
"Yes. Like the first turn...",
"One other thing to check - would you be comfortable with me sending F Spain to Mid Atlantic in order to get A Portugal out?",
"Plan is to return to Spain afterwards",
"Go ahead, but i personally think you should attack italy.",
"Attacking Germany is the priority in my mind, especially since A Marseilles is needed on that front",
"Can consider how best to attack Italy if/when Germany is dealt with",
"On that note - we now have a very messy map. Let me put some thoughts on how to proceed",
"Okay, retaking Norway is probably a lost cause, given that Russia tends to be a conservative player, and such a player will probably be very tempted to just do: \nF Sweden & A StP S F Nwy H",
"I will do A Burgundy S F PIcardy - Belgium, which will cut support",
"F Nth S A Ruhr - Holland should then be able to hold Holland",
"Germany will then have a disband, , probably in Kiel, letting you rotate around into Ska and take Denmark",
"Ok, I'm here now",
"It's late at night for me, so I might not stay up too long, but what do you think of the suggestion?",
"I seriously doubt I can get Norway back. My moves last turn were... well... risky. I asked if there was anything I could do for them to get Norway back, but I seriously doubt it. Belgium is guaranteed for you. The thing is, I'm not sure I can get Holland. Germany probably anticipates you taking Belgium, and will move into Holland with Belgium, and with support, their going to get it.",
"Which means I'm at 3 centers, and won't have a chance of getting denmark.",
"Thinking out loud here - if we assume Germany will anticipate that I attack Belgium and order A Kiel & F HEL S F Bel - Hol",
"Munich would be vulnerable",
"Would you be comfortable with F NTH S F Pic - Bel, A Ruh S A Bur - Mun? \n\nFrom there, I can support you into Kiel and/or Holland",
"I'm hearing you ask me to support you twice this turn. If I do this I will almost undoubtedly lose two centers. I will be at 3. You will be at 7.",
"it's simply not fair. I support you into Belgium, you support me into Munich",
"It's always worth asking. The complication is that I think Munich is a really critical supply center for France, but that being the case I can support you in for now and trade it for another supply center down the line.",
"So yeah, A Burgundy can support you from Ruhr into munich, while F NTH supports Picardy - Belgium",
"Are we agreed?",
"Just so you know, it's like 2am in my time zone, so if I don't hear back before I go to bed I'm just going to support myself into Belgium. Don't want to risk losing a build to miscommunication, so would just take the guaranteed option in that case",
"Ok, I'd like to work things out",
"Let's do that. How much longer are you here?",
"I'll probably go to bed after we finish this conversation",
"Ok. I was thinking... do you want to have Munich and I get Belgium? May require a bit of trust, but I am full in for this alliance. Also Munich is better for you to have then me",
"I actually thought about that, but it's considerably riskier. A Ruhr is decently likely to have its support cut, while it's impossible for that to happen to A Munich",
"Ok, but I seriously doubt Ruhr will have it's support cut.",
"Odds are low, but it's possible if Germany things you want to backfill to NTH",
"But yeah, I'm comfortable with betting that Germany won't do that",
"And also with trusting that your support will materialize",
"So that would suggest F Picardy S F NTH - Bel, A Bur - Mun?",
"So... which option? I think we can bet that germany won't do that. I think it is definitely the better move. It's just up to how much you trust me. Again, I'm ready to go all the way with this alliance. I think I might diplomatically have Russia in the bag, and be able to Norway back, from which I could get Stp. With me going for russia, and maybe eventually italy, I think we can get a two way win.",
"With Munich under my control, attacking Italy or even Austria becomes much more feasible - we would definitely be on track for a two way win, especially with the eastern triangle going nowhere",
"Provided you agree, I'm prepared to commit to:\n A Ruhr S A Bur - Mun\n F Pic S F NTH - Bel",
"Just to check though - what are you possibly offering Russia that makes them voluntarily return Norway?",
"That sounds good.",
"I'm offering them support into Denmark",
"For this fall? Or next year?",
"They don't want to do it yet. i do. Were still working it out",
"You should also explore the option of them supporting you into Denmark, as \"compensation\" for taking Norway",
"lol. They are a tough diplomat, their never agreeing to that",
"Haha it's only marginally worse than giving up Norway",
"Ok, sounds good. SLeep well",
"I put in the order!",
"Same🥳",
"So, this is what I get for trying to put in orders at 2am... Complete misorder",
"What do you mean?",
"I put in A Burgundy - Ruhr instead of to Munich",
"That's why I failed to capture Munich",
"It didn’t matter, they supported Munich",
"Oh, I actually missed that somehow. I checked the orders early in the morning as well...",
"Happens to all of us. Hey more sleep 😴",
"Okay, we're actually still in okay shape",
"Germany will need to disband, but they need all their current units to make a defensive line",
"So there will be a gap somewhere - let's see where in the morning",
"Yeah",
"Germany doesn’t have to disband",
"Wow, I am really not on top of my game right now. \nOkay, aassume that we have Belgium and North attacking Holland, and Burgundy attacking Munich. Kiel can support one of them to hold, which would succeed. This then turns into a guessing game.",
"Germany can beat the odds by having Russia do F Nwy - NTH to cut support, coupled with A Kiel S A Mun H, but Russia takes on considerable risk in doing so",
"The real wild card is that if Italy or Austria lets me through into Tyrolia, we can hit Munich from the south",
"I'll try to lobby for that, while we play the odds in the north",
"Sounds good. Russia... I seriously doubt they are going to help germany",
"Yeah, let's see. I don't think they're big fans of you either.\n\nIn terms of actual moves, could your A Ruhr provide support for me to hit Ruhr again?"
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"Heya there",
"Thoughts on an information sharing pact with respect to Italy?",
"We don't have to attack them right away, but neither of us benefits if they get too big ya",
"Agreed. Obviously England and Germany are more immediate concerns for me (as are Austria and Russia for you). But neither of us wants to see Italy expand too far, and it would be of mutual benefit to share any information that we hear about them.",
"On a related note, have you heard from Russia or Austria? I'm curious to see if Russia plans to send A Moscow north or south.",
"I don't really have a good read on Russia to be honest",
"Unless you have a sea lion going with him tho, I doubt he'd go north",
"Austria is telling me they're going for Russia, but that's what every Austria tells turkey lol",
"You hear anything on your end about England / Germany?",
"Haven't heard from Germany",
"England told me that Germany reached out to him about an alliance but he would rather ally with me. I'm very confident in the first part, the second remains to be seen.",
"Italy is saying that a French-Italy war is a waste of time for both us, which is true but may not be good news for Turkey unless you want to ally with them against Austria",
"Haven't heard anything from Austria or Russia either.",
"Hm thanks for the advice, I'll keep an eye out for the Lepanto then",
"Update on Italy - they just told me that they don't feel it wise to get into an early fight with Austria. Assuming that they've been telling me the truth (a big if) that makes the Lepanto highly likely",
"I guess it's too much to hope for that they just sit on their hands for a few years lol",
"Indeed... Hard to get a read on a group that is organized in such an unusual way, but it feels like it's mostly experienced players here",
"Seems to be, yea",
"All the moves are pointing to a pretty stock standard Lepanto here in the East, so if you want to swing your fleet down into the med, that'd be appreciated on my end, and you should have a good shot at making progress if Italy commits any further this way",
"Yeah, that's the plan. Will move F MAO - Spa sc, which should give me some presence in the Med and put a little bit of pressure on Italy.",
"How is your relationship with Russia? Are you planning to allow them into Rumania?",
"I'm thinking I'll try to contest just so they can't get a fleet into bla. I haven't been hearing too much from my neighbors so I'm kinda nervous 😅",
"Really? Russia has been pretty talkative with me, actually. Haven't heard much from Austria though",
"Hear anything interesting ?",
"Russia was really stressed about whether Germany would bounce them in Denmark, and then Germany opened to Netherlands",
"In general they strike me as a fairly cautious, defensive player",
"Mm, thanks",
"If you want to tap Tyr, I can crash into Ion",
"I don't have the firepower to get anywhere after tapping Tyr",
"Mm I see",
"Well, just putting the option out there I guess",
"you have anything else in mind?",
"I guess I'd also be happy to support you into getting Tun after I'm in ion if you'd be interested in that?",
"That would be interesting, but I think I want the position with England to improve before committing to anything"
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"Greetings!\n\nI was just wondering what your aims were regarding territory in the area? May I suggest that we keep Tyr as a DMZ for the time being?",
"Hello Italy, I can agree to those terms.",
"Can I ask whether you plan to ally with Italy or France?",
"I'd like to think I'm already allied with Italy 😅",
"Haha good one. I think I meant France or Austria?",
"Am currently speaking to both but haven't really moved towards either as of yet.\n\nWhat are your plans vis a vis alliances and expansion?",
"In discussions about what is off limits for the first turn with Russia.",
"Still waiting to hear from or waiting to see first moves of other neighbors.",
"That's fair, good to be cautious",
"Hey Italy, I’d like to make sure Tyr remains as DMZ from both you and Austria so I’m going to leave an Army in Mun.",
"Have you and Austria considered a lepanto?",
"I've raised the idea with him, just waiting to hear back",
"I’ve heard that France is moving Pie - Mar. I wanted to share that with you since I am interested in you headed for Turkey.",
"Okay, thanks for that",
"Ven-Pie and then support me in to Mar? I’d appreciate the help and could return the favor later.",
"Sounds good, consider it done",
"Good to hear. Are you moving in on Turkey too? They kinda became a sitting duck after missing last turn.",
"That's the plan",
"In return for my help in taking down France, could you support me into Mar instead? I'll then help you mop up from there",
"I’m not sure I could this year based on what’s going on on the other side of Switzerland. But if all goes well we can revisit this in the Fall.",
"So are you not bothering with Mar this turn? Or are you saying that you want it and then I could take it in the fall? \n\nNot entirely sure what you're proposing",
"Sorry for being unclear. I would like to have one of us take it in the fall. But my priority with my army in Bur is first to the northern areas. So if I need to use that army not in Mar in the fall then we can’t take Mar. So if you don’t want to move to Pie yet because of my uncertainty that’s ok. Does that make sense?",
"Ah, that's fair. No worries",
"Can you support me into Mar? If I support you they’ll just cut my support from Paris.",
"Is England not your ally?",
"Par is France. So that’s the issue not England.",
"No, I understand that. It's just that England is poised to take Bre and so I imagine France will be more interested in supporting Bre than they are with disrupting you. As such, I don't see it as much of a risk, if you were to support me into Mar",
"I'll support you into Mar, but I want Spain and Portugal if that's alright?",
"Deal. Can you get a fleet over there?",
"Not this turn, but will do next year after taking out Turkey",
"Perfect. Good luck wrapping up with Turkey.",
"Thanks for the support. I didn’t anticipate France supporting Mar.",
"If England turns on me after France, I’d appreciate it if you and I could work together. You could end up with Mar, Spa, and Por.",
"That sounds good to me, we should be able to take him down together should it come to it",
"France is threatening to give all of his centres to England if I don't 'back off immediately'",
"That’s what I’m suspecting is about to happen to me too. Just asked France for an explanation. I wonder if it’s a ploy by France to game us against each other.",
"I’ve offered France the opportunity to rebuild and work against England in case they reach out to you.",
"I’d like to get England around Spain and closer to going after you next so their out of position.",
"Okay, sounds good. Will be interesting to hear their response",
"I’m open to other ideas if you have them. But if they surrender to England I think we’re done for.",
"I completely agree there, we can't have England taking all of their CPs",
"Good. And it doesn’t look like you’ll be able to pick any centers up from Turkey unless Austria or Russia is working with you. Can you start moving you fleets back into the West Med? They could come in handy very soon.",
"Aye, they'll both be heading back asap",
"France is out. They’re going to hand their centers over to England and think they’re going to be left with one.",
"I don’t think we can take out England if this happens. Want to ensure we wipe France off the board first?",
"Damn.\n\nYeah, can do. Hopefully if we can secure a few points we'll stand a chance of fighting off england",
"Agreed but I don’t think this is the turn to do it anymore. Thoughts?",
"Not sure what you mean there",
"Oh sorry. The turn to make the stab on England.",
"Ah, right. Yes, I agree",
"Nice job getting Mar. Are you planning on pushing toward Spain?",
"Been talking to France to see if he can help to push England out of the med\n\nHave you had any contact with England?",
"A little, just talking about my front with Russia. I mean you could take WES. And then you’d have access to Spain and Portugal.",
"Am planning on taking it this turn\n\nAm mainly using France as a diversion for England",
"Thanks. Please let me know if you find out that France wants to move toward any of my centers.",
"I will do.\n\nI'm only using him as a means to an end so hopefully he shouldn't pose that sort of threat for much longer\n\nWho are you planning on going after next, may I ask?",
"Taking back Mun first hopefully. And then need to see where loyalties lie between Russia and Austria. I still am in too awkward of a position to move on England that wouldn’t let both of them destroy me.",
"That's fair\n\nGood luck with Mun\n\nDo let me know should you need any help with anything in the future"
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"Greetings!\n\nI was just wondering what your aims were regarding territory in the area? May I suggest that we keep Tyr as a DMZ for the time being?",
"Hi there, Italy! In my experience, Austria and Italy fighting anytime before 1904 or so ends one way: they are both eliminated. So keeping a DMZ is good (ideally find a way to keep all four of TRL, ADR, TRI and VEN as a DMZ) but even better would be a joint goal we can work together on. Typically as Austria my thoughts are to keep Russia and Turkey from allying, and pick one side against the other. If you wanted to go after Turkey with me, that could work, but if you wanted to go after France (with either English or German help), I could go after Russia with Turkish help. In general, I guess I’m saying I’m willing to go almost any sensible way that goes along with an alliance which I can grow to trust 🙂",
"I was definitely thinking of going after France, as I find they can quickly spiral out of control if uncontested.\n\nMight be best if you go after Turkey with Russia and I'll focus my attention West",
"Awesome. I reached out to Russia and will let you know how that turns out. You have any indications that you’ll get any help against France? It can be a slow and annoying slog if you go 1:1 against them...",
"England seems to be interested, so hopefully we can nip France in the bud ASAP",
"So how did we want to move in Spring to set us both up to feel safe and not tightly entangled in each other’s business? Any particular moves you have in mind, given what you’ve been hearing?",
"Do you want to move against Turkey quickly? If so, I can suggest a strategy for us to take him out",
"I’d be happy to go after Turkey - once they control Aeg + Bla, they are nearly impossible to ferret out of that corner. But if you’re going after France with English help, nothing I do (even with Russian help) will go *fast* against Turkey unless the Turk just totally doesn’t know what they’re doing. They’ll go down, just not super fast - that’s just how it goes against the corner pocket powers...",
"This article has an effective strategy for neutralising Turkey but we'd need to work very closely together. What do you think?\n\nhttp://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/strategy/articles/lepanto.htm",
"The Lepanto works well against Turkey, but does require our combined full attention: it would mean you decide to drop your idea of going after France, because you’d need both your first fleet and the one you build in Winter to be used in the east. If you’re interested in going easy with me instead of taking on France, then sure: I’ll go to Alb in spring, and Gre in fall which sets us up for a supported attack on Aeg in spring 02.",
"I appreciate your being true to your word and leaving Trl open. I trusted you and moved away from our mutual border. I expect that France will run away from Pie now that they’re under attack, but if you want to follow Ven-Pie, we would be in an easy position to have both Ven, Trl, Adr, and Tri all open as a safe DMZ, and could agree not to build in Tri or Ven without prior agreement. Let’s us work as safely together as any alliance could be while we go after Turkey without leaving many units home “wasted” just guarding against each other.",
"Of course, if I end up bouncing in Gal again I may have to build another army in Tri, so if you want to leave Ven where it is and watch what France does for now, that’s cool too!",
"Those terms sounds most agreeable. I think it's definitely in our interest to work closely together",
"For this turn, I will stay in Venice just to see if France pulls back. Just letting you know for full disclosure",
"I totally understand. I appreciate the transparency: Adr + Trl still DMZ, but I understand your needing to wait in Ven to see what France does. Do you feel you'll have to take Tunis with the fleet, or can we still do the Lepanto? Taking it with F Ion-Tun slows us down by a full turn in our eastward movements, but if that's what needs to happen, so be it!",
"I'm going to convoy into Tunis so as not to move the fleet",
"excellent, that'll set us up for a convoy to either Syria as a sneak attack, or right into Constantinople if I can get into Bulgaria to support it, depending on which way the Turk tries to defend.",
"Ideal. Reckon we'll have him out soon enough",
"Oh just for full disclosure on my part: I may drop Vie-Ven to cover that, since it’s a fall turn, and well “trust but verify” is always sensible, right? 🙂",
"I totally understand, go for it",
"I'll build in Vie and Bud, and leave Trieste open to help enforce our DMZ. It looks like France won't be able to build any fleets, so I guess we'll see how long they can keep England and Germany from eating them up, eh? You may want to consider using your \"rearguard army\" in Venice in France: either you can offer to help kill France (in exchange for a supply center: Mar) or prop them up (to slow down the EG alliance from progressing too fast), by using A Pie S Mar, which France will need once there's a german army in Gas. Just some thoughts.",
"I'm setting up the Convoy this turn. Are you able to shift south-east to assist in attacking Turkey?",
"Yep - I'm taking Bul (with Russian help) this next turn, and in the fall, can both tap Con to cut any supports it may give, as well as move Gre-Aeg to help support your attacks on Smy. Does that work for you?",
"Sounds good. I'm helping to take down France as well",
"cool. Be tough about it: if they ask for your help, since you can't easily go over there with strength (until you've completed the convoy), demand they get you into Mar as the first step, and from there you'll support the rest of their attacks. If they say no, you can always say, \"if I'm not getting anything out of it, I may as well *support France*, instead of supporting their demise, you know?\" 🙂",
"Actually now that I look at the board more closely- since Turkey built an army, they are basically permanently no threat. If you want to change direction and focus your attention to focus on France, I wouldn’t see it as a betrayal - my advance on Turkey would go slower, but it would still work, as two fleets aren’t necessary to force advancement into Aeg. Either way: if you want to keep going east, I’ll help you into Smy if you’ll help me into Con after!",
"I think we'll do the Smy and Con, I need me some supply centres",
"sounds like a plan!",
"As you imagine, I’m heading to Aeg now, to help speed up the dismantling of the Turkey carcass :). What’s up in France? Germany going to let you have Mar, or are you going to slow down their advance so we can resolve the east before they get done in the west?",
"He wants me to support him into Mar as he's worried they'll cut his supplies from Paris",
"Makes sense - Germany has some guessing games in there...",
"I’d normally build A Vie, but England has 4 fleets ready to pour around Gibraltar into the Med (they’ll say it’s to kill France, but what do they do after taking Spain an Portugal?) and even after we get you this build from Smy, we’ll only have 4 combined between the two of us. If you want me to build a fleet I can, but if I don’t hear from you I’ll assume A Vie.",
"You can build the army if you want, hopefully, we'll be able to take enough ground to build up our Navy soon enough",
"I’m fine either way, just trying to pick which way covers the most options. Vie protects from Germany, but they’re still busy and Russia can help hold them off too. A fleet makes sure England is matched but like you’re saying, we can hopefully do that next year too.",
"Germany has just told me that he's offered France protection if he goes against England",
"oh wow, that would be very helpful! I'll talk to him to encourage that. England could be a huge threat with all those fleets if nobody goes against them.",
"I'm going to bring my fleets back over as you've got Turkey pretty much sorted now with Russia",
"Makes sense. You going to try and help France and Germany against England? Or attack France while Germany protects them? Or just cover to make sure England does't swing too fast into the Med?",
"Mainly cover against Eng",
"Yeah good plan. 4 fleets right there is a lot.",
"France is dipping out and giving his points to England. Hopefully Germany and I can take a few and maybe stand a chance of taking the fight to England",
"makes sense! it'll be a race to get there in time.",
"It looks like Germany and England are coming east already. I'm set up to push into Munich, once you can get around to Marseille and Burgundy. I think I need to build a Fleet this year, because we otherwise don't have enough fleets to hold England back, even if Russia and I can make headway on the land. Or are you trying to help France survive now? Should I negotiate with them to offer support of Bur-Mun? I think we need to get you a build from Marseille sooner rather than later, right?",
"I've negotiated with France so that for now, he's going to let me into Mar if I support him into Spain for now\n\nIf he can help us kick Britain out of the med then I'm willing to do that for him now\n\nYou should probably ask him about Bur-Mun, as I reckon he'll want the help",
"Oh I just realized Germany is getting a build, so it will probably be an army in Kiel, which will keep me from being able to get Bur-Mun to succeed. But as long as I keep attacking Mun with support, it'll keep the German with all three units locked in place for now, which will hopefully help you in France.",
"Fantastic",
"We are going to need one of my fleets to move into Ion, because you don't want to have to waste F Tys S Tun against two english fleets forever. Have they talked to you at all? Seems like their actions speak louder than words...",
"I must say that, as much I don't want to think it, you do seem to be converging to make a move against me",
"If I wanted to attack you, I could indeed peel you apart right now, and there's not much you could do about it. If I totally stay away from you, England pushes you right back to the borders of your homeland, and probably overcomes your defenses, given the location of the units right now. Where would I be if that happened? Do you think you have some tactics which would hold them off without any help from me? If you have a plan that looks solid, I'm all ears. I built the fleet, as I mentioned, specifically because England otherwise had us outgunned at sea, and clearly wasn't planning on fighting Germany.",
"That's what I wanted to hear, I believe you.\n\nYou can move that fleet into the Ioanian, of course.\n\nMy only communication with England so far has been them trying to bargain with me to let them move on to take you out. So far I have not responded but, should we see an opportunity, I could always see how far a lie could get me",
"I doubt England will believe either of us... 😦",
"Probably not, but could be worth a shot at some point",
"True. Maybe try and see what they want?",
"See, I told you that you could trust me. Nice defensive work, btw! England can't hold Tunis long, once you pull a fleet out into Tys, we can take it back.",
"My army in Pie will be supporting Mar! Unless we're using Mar-Bur to cut the support Bur can give to Mun, in which case Pie can support Gol-Mar as a beleagured garrison to make sure you hold onto it.",
"I think I'll be holding in Mar this turn, want to shore up the med before attempting to move on again",
"If you're holding, you can count on Pie to support it to hold, so you can focus your fleets on naval manouevers. Speaking of which, we should talk tactics to keep the strongest position. And you're building a fleet, right?",
"Aye, I think a fleet would be the most useful for fighting England.",
"GoL s Wes, Wes S Ion-Tun, Rom-Tys, Pie S Mar, Mar S Spa, and we ask France to do Spa S Wes? Most likely, England orders NAf S Tun so as not to lose that, but then we hold position while Rom-Tys tightens the noose. If on the other hand they give up on Tunis in Spring, by doing NAf and MAO s Tun-Wes, it does explode your fleet, but then we have Tys and Tun and you can rebuild the fleet and I can also build one if needed. What do you think?",
"That sounds agreeable to me. Just as a note though, will I be getting Tun back at some point in your plan?",
"I most likely won't get in - if I were England, I'd use NAf to support Tun this season. In which case Tys and Ion can work together to attack it next season. But if I do get in, we get you that one back or Spain (if we can get France into Portugal at some point), whichever is easiest to juggle around. If you ended up with *both* Spain and got Tunis back, am I just using three of my units out of the goodness of my heart? ;P - but seriously, priority one is push England out of the Med, priority two is to crack the E/G defense line, and beyond that, we just make sure to divide spoils fairly, and in a defensible way (no point in me owning Portugal, as how could I defend that?)",
"That's fair, we should have this if we play our cards right",
"Yep, there are some guessing games, but I think we have the better position now.",
"So, we can get you Tunis this season, guaranteed: Wes-NAf, Ion S Tys-Tun, Tys-Tun. But in exchange, can you also help me and Russia in Germany, by doing Mar-Bur to cut their support?",
"We could protect Mar by doing Pie S Lyo-Mar, to give it a beleagured garrison",
"I can definitely do Mar-Bur. The rest of it sounds good",
"Ugh. Sorry about that. I just got worried everybody was getting builds and I wasn’t, but wanted to maintain the great position pushing England back. I shouldn’t have taken Venice without asking."
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"Hello Russia!",
"Greetings Italy! \n\nWhat are your strats for the first year? Want to coordinate a move against Turkey?",
"I think a move against Turkey would be wise",
"Sounds good. What do you propose?",
"I'll let you know in due course, got a few things on the go",
"Hey looks like were headed for a party on turkish lands! How should we coordinate this?",
"I'll be landing in Syria either in this fall or next spring. Once there, if you move Sev-Arm, we can support eachother with our fleets as well and push westwards",
"Sounds great, how much have you negotiated with Austria? I'm just trying to picture how the three of us best carve up tukey...",
"We haven't properly discussed how best to carve it up yet. It's a shame we can't make group press in this as that would make it a damn sight easier 😅",
"Ha yeah no kidding. Group chats would make this game very interesting",
"What's your movement to the east captain Lepanto? Are you trying to gte that army on turkish lands again or are you just trying to break Smy?",
"I'm going to be moving away this turn so that I can focus my attention West. Turkey is up to you and Austria",
"Trying to get some of France before it’s all taken by E/G?",
"Mainly to try and curtail Eng a bit as they're growing very strong",
"Ah prob a good call",
"Looks like you got Mar locked up this year! Have any intel on england?",
"Not really, they're being quiet on the comms\n\nJust need to try and push them out of the med",
"Dam Britain really got into the Med and North africa. Can you reclaim Tunis this turn?",
"That's the plan 😅"
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"Hey Italy",
"Hi England, how goes it?\n\nMay I ask if you have any plans regarding France, as they can quite often quickly become the strongest nation if allowed to roam free.",
"Great. I’m about to send the Beatles (A Yor) to Norway. Do you have any inkling of if you’re going west, east, or Lepanto? I promise not to share with France or Germany.",
"Sorry A Liv = the Beatles",
"I'll probably grab Tunisia ASAP and then see what responses I get from everyone else.",
"Are you planning on convoying though Ion or TyrS? Austria claims you’re hitting France, and I’m curious if he’s bluffing or if you are lying to him.",
"I think it's a good idea if we were to go against France together but I won't be doing it alone, and nothing for at least a turn or two to see where the land lies",
"It’s always good to see if a juggernaut forms.",
"Aye. France is usually in the strongest position to do that which is why we need to be prepared to move against him should it come to that",
"Sorry, I meant the capital J Juggernaut (i.e. Russia and Turkey alliance).\n\nThere’s an opening set of moves that allow you to guard against a hostile Austria, set yourself up for Tunisia, and set you up to take Smyrna in Turkey: the Lepanto.\n\n\nhttp://uk.diplom.org/pouch/Zine/S1998M/Birsan/Lepanto.html",
"http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/strategy/articles/lepanto.htm",
"Oh, aye? I'll take a gander thanks",
"I can’t believe turkey built A Smy. That’s good luck for you.",
"Was an interesting choice 😅",
"You’re about to lose centers to Austria. If you leave France alone, I won’t harass A Tunisia, which will allow you to convoy an army back home.",
"Austria is about to stomp on you. Look at his build up.",
"And what would you suggest I do? Fall back so that you can come in?",
"You can only fight one side at a time and I’m fighting France right now.",
"I suggest teaming up with Russia"
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"Greetings!\n\nI was just wondering what your aims were regarding territory in the area?",
"For the time being my goal is to secure the territories around the Black Sea. The events that take place during this time will determine my goals afterwards.",
"That's fair enough. Do let me know if you ever need a hand with anything... Or anyone",
"I will be sure to let you know if I need your help"
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"Greetings!\n\nI was just wondering what your aims were regarding territory in the area? May I suggest that we keep Pie as a DMZ for the time being?",
"Sure, could we expand that DMZ all the way to Naf?",
"Aye, that works",
"So what is happening in the east?",
"Haven't really made plans with any of them yet. Going to see the opening moves",
"I will retreat from pie. England and Russia told me you were going west. They made me break our dmz deal while england moved against me",
"As long as you move out this turn I'll let you off. I can understand why you did it but at least now you know who you can trust\n\nWell\n\nIsh",
"England obviously wanted troubles kn my South",
"I am will surrender all my centers to england if you do not back off immediately",
"Days passed and someone disrespected my offer. I won't defend Marseille so you can use your fleet to support me in Spain. I think you would like to see England out of the Mediterranean. I am willing to help you defend Mediterranean as long as I can in order to survive at least.",
"What army/fleet do you want supporting into Spain? I can agree to these terms",
"Could you use Gol to support spain holding?",
"Sure, consider it done",
"You can have Marseille",
"Cheers",
"I am supporting Tys to Wes. Can you use Mar to support spain hold?",
"Aye, that's locked in now. I'm using Tun to hopefully disrupt Naf as well",
"Do you reckon you could do Spa S Wes?",
"I could"
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"Hi there Germany! We can both agree that one of us dying early doesn’t bode well for the other, right? Want to establish a “intelligence sharing pact” to help make sure some early stability for each other means we can both survive into the mid-game where perhaps we can actually coordinate?",
"Yes I’d like that. Currently England has suggested they would like to be my ally and Italy wants Tyr to remain empty.",
"So if Italy is asking *both* of us to leave TRL empty, you know what that probably means? :/",
"What information do you have?",
"No proof, just that Italy asked for a DMZ in TRL, but England says they haven’t discussed going after France together, which makes me think Italy is trying to keep TRL open so they can walk in there themselves. Not sure though. Also heard Russia is probably moving south as usual (but to be used with me against Turkey, or against me with Turkey? Only time will tell!)",
"Any word from France?",
"France has had limited communication trying to get me to not be aggressive toward them. I will plan to leave an army in Mun to dissuade Italy from going to Tyr. I’ll let them know that if they more there I’ll use that army to work with you against them.",
"Italy seems committed to avoiding Tyr. Do you have any interest in working with them against Turkey?",
"Perhaps Italy is truly willing to avoid Trl. It’s always hard to tell before the first moves come out. I’m happy to work worth them if they aim towards Turkey instead of towards me.",
"I’ll be in Mun to back you up if they are lying to us. Any chance of you being interested in convincing Italy to lepanto?",
"If you want to move Mun, you can always move it back there in the Fall in case Italy lied, so if I were you I’d make better use of it: I like Mun-Ruh in Spring 01: you have a say in who gets Bel, or you can guarantee Hol, and you’re still right next to Mun in case Italy is in TRL or France goes to Bur.",
"I’m negotiating with Italy about working with them in the east, yes, and it hinges on us both agreeing to leave Trl empty, yes",
"I get there might be better uses. And I might do that if you come to a good agreement with Italy for the east and feel confident in them. It’s imperative to me that you stay alive or I’ll probably get eaten by the east. So let me know how talks with them go and I may change orders.",
"So it looks like Italy was trustworthy, England is cutthroat, and France is... weird? You going to work with England against France, or the other way around?",
"I can’t figure France out. I think they must be very new to the game. They agreed to dmz EC though as far as I know so England is going straight for them.",
"France told me you had EC as dmz and I wasn’t openly aggressive so I’ll pretend like I’m going to side with them to get their orders.",
"Ok, all I hear from France is they're sending Pie-Mar, which is probably the truth. What are you thoughts on Russia? Going to let them have Swe (for a likely second build) or hold them smaller in the north for now? I can probably be fine either way, but would like to have some idea which to plan for...",
"France wants me to join them against Italy. I want Italy to go east but toward Turkey. Definitely not toward you since you cover my weak spots from Russia and Turkey.",
"I think I’ll bounce Russia in Sweden. Don’t see a reason not to and that’ll hold off a build for them. I haven’t heard much from them, very direct about answering only what I am asking them.",
"Where did you hear about France’s move?",
"France told me directly that they were moving back away from Venice. I don't see any reason why they'd lie to me about that, since I'm the one who could help them right now if they asked (and if I wanted to, which I don't, but they didn't even ask).",
"Italy *is* most likely going east against the Turk, as long as France is off their back, and I don't attack them (I don't intend to attack Italy, that's crazy for Austria in the early game).",
"Right. So do you know if Italy is aware of France pulling back?",
"Italy asked me if it was ok if they hung around in Venice for now, to watch and see if France really did pull away. I told them of course it was ok, and that I appreciated them letting me know they'd still be sitting right next to Trieste. So I think Italy and I are at least being pretty up front about what we're doing. I don't think Italy knows if they can trust France after France just walked into Piedmont, and will prefer to see how it shakes out.",
"Good to hear. I’d like it if us central powers could remain open. I plan to move out of Mun but am not sure where yet as France and England are talking to me about different options.",
"Cool. I don't see how France has much to offer you at this point (support into Belgium, I guess?), but I can see the appeal of Burgundy - France kinda collapses if they lose that line, but once they've picked up builds from Spain + Portugal, it gets wayyyy harder.",
"Absolutely. They can’t get both builds in Iberia that soon because of their current locations. But I also don’t want England to stab me in the process either.",
"England seems like an aggressive player, but a good one, and IMO, a good player in England’s position has far more to gain by a concerted attack *with* you against France than just stabbing you with no clear help. France tells me they’re going Pie back to Mar, so consider that in your planning if it’s helpful.",
"I appreciate the help. I’ll consider that.",
"Let me know what you want to do after builds. I think if you’re not busy with Turkey we could start thinking about Russia.",
"Are you thinking about opening up a two front war, in France *and* Russia? That has ... historically not gone well for Germany!",
"No not in the near future, I’ve seen how it plays out. Just like to get ideas of what you’re thinking earlier rather than later.",
"Did Turkey hold for all of their units? Or just not submit orders? This is my first time playing on backstabbr.",
"Turkey says they messed up the \"submit\" button somehow (it's easy to do, actually - very frustrating when you don't verify that they're really submitted), so held by accident. But it basically means they're kinda toast at this point - I'll probably go with Russia and Italy against them at least for a short time.",
"That’s too bad. Leaves them a sitting duck.",
"However, once you've subdued France a bit, and I've shrunk Turkey down to a manageable size, I think *then* is the right time to focus our combine attention on Russia. In the meantime, you and England should definitely make sure to keep them contained in the north.",
"Speaking of England, one thing annoying about E/G alliances is that you really only have this one chance to build a fleet without signalling your change of intentions too obviously: now. Right now, a Fleet Berlin build does not scare/worry your English ally, because it's clearly meant to pin down scandanavia (F Den S Ber-Bal, next season, F Bal S Den-Swe, and you work with England to support them into StP). Any build of a fleet later is clearly meant to attack England, and they see it coming. It's almost as obvious a telegraphed signal as Austria building a fleet (I could *tell* Italy that I'll use it against Turkey, but they'd have to be pretty dumb to believe that!)",
"Yeah good points. I’ll see what I can do.",
"For what it's worth: if you and England go after Swe + Stp, I don't really see Russia trying to retaliate on land: that stretches them super wide and thin, with some armies in the south fighting Turkey, and some against you, and a big gaping hole in the middle... where I sit with a pile of armies. So if they're sensible, they'll just grumble loudly and ignore the loss in the north, biding their time to strike back once Turkey's subdued and they hope they can trust me to join them against you. It's all in the timing, though! I'd certainly not prefer it, but you could play nice with them, hoping you can work with them against *me* in the mid-game. But I'm going to hope you don't go that way, because doing that just leaves your back wide open to English perfidy. 🙂",
"That’s exactly why I brought up Russia. In a few more rounds I see them being just as thin but you me and England being stronger and with less weak spots near them.",
"Yep, I'm right there with you. Let's keep watch, and if my working with them means that they end up getting a build from Turkey (likely, esp. if Turkey keeps messing up like this past season), I'll let you know in advance so that perhaps that's a time when you and England can make sure the lose one in the north at the same time to stay \"thin enough\" 🙂",
"How’s it going? Is Italy helping France survive, helping you kill them faster, or begging for a piece of the pie? Looks like you’ve got Russia pretty well pinned down in the north, too!",
"Going pretty good. Looks like it for you too. I think Italy is coming in to get their piece of France before it’s all gone. We’ll see how it gets divided. Yeah especially with England’s fleets up north.",
"You and Russia have got Turkey finished off in a matter of a few turns it looks like. Any idea of where you’re going next?",
"I’d be game for doing some damage to Russia with you, or if you decide to it’s time to go after England with some minor Russian help, I could go the other way and take on Italy. I’m flexible 🙂 My only preference is coordination: me going after Russia while you going after England leaves us both in 1:1 situations, inefficient. So I like it when directions change in close order, when possible.",
"I’d prefer we go after Russia next. I would like to get a few more fleet builds and create an opening to position myself better against England before making that move. And this way we can remain coordinated.",
"Understood. Hopefully we can make that well coordinated (I’ll have to know I’m safe to turn my back on Italy). I doubt you’ll get a chance to build another fleet without signaling a stab, frankly. If/when you do it, it’ll probably need to be a “fall turn stab for Bel or Nwy or Bre, build a fleet with that build” kind of stab. No England with a brain would look at a German ally building a third fleet as any ally worth keeping around.",
"Yeah I get that. Now it’s just a matter of timing it between who else I’m attacking and when a stab is available. Don’t want to overextend myself and end up trapped by England and whoever else we were just working against.",
"Hey there. 1 new build and 1 rebuild. What's the plan with those? Any directions you are thinking about for what should happen with our neighbors? Italy/England/Russia - is it time for us to work together, or go \"back to back\" and don't work \"together\", but pointing opposite directions (me attacking Italy or Russia, you attacking England)? Not sure whether you want to coordinate or not, let me know!",
"Hey sorry busy weekend. I don’t think this is the turn for me to attack England. Don’t know my plans yet though. What about you?",
"If you’re not going after England, I can’t imagine there’s a better time than now for Bal c Kie-Lvn, Ber-Pru, Mun-Sil, given that it locks War in the fall and gives a strong play for Mos. But don’t do that, it’d only leave Rum and Sev for me! 😉",
"After I didn’t hear back about where all those armies were going, I worried it might be towards me, so I covered a hole in my defenses. No offense intended: if you want to coordinate with me, just let me know and we can see what works?",
"I do not plan on attacking you. Can you move back away this turn. I can’t use some units to attack other countries if they need to be positioned to defend against you.",
"I would appreciate if you could respond soon. We can stay together as central powers.",
"I’m not attacking you! But I had to move my armies into a position where they didn’t scare my more vulnerable neighbors. I had to either straight out attack Russia, or Italy, and I’m not the sort to get into a war without a solid plan with an ally going with me. Are you and England working together against Russia? Or are you just devoting a little extra resources to hold Russia back? I asked you last season what the coordinated plan was, but you either didn’t want to share or needed to go it alone at first, which is fine, but if we want to avoid slowing each other down, we need to talk about it, even if we’re not attacking the same person at the same time, you know?",
"If you want to do full out war with Russia, do you need my help, or will England’s be enough? I don’t think you’ll be successful just by yourself. But I could instead slide south to attack Italy, who is another central power, but if I do that, I wouldn’t have enough resources to *also* head north with you.",
"Got it thanks. Let’s come up with a plan an coordinate after the builds.",
"So I understand it may take a season or two to ensure we have a safe way of collaborating (if I propose a plan now, you may not trust I'll do it, and have to tell me you'll do it, but then protect yourself instead) - I'd prefer to have a plan where we both agree on what can work, even if it means being a little slower. For example, you might say \"I have to sit here and double-support Munich to make sure I don't lose it, but we can work together once I see I'm not under threat - just don't take too long\" or even \"I'm going to have to push back at you for this season, but as soon as you can move into Galicia we can attack Russia together from there\". I'm open to suggestions.",
"One other option, given the builds which happened: Russia built a northern fleet, so if you wanted, we could go in a different direction than attacking them - I could go south and attack Italy, and you and Russia could attack England together. Just keeping options open...",
"Thanks you I would like to rebuild trust.",
"I will be holding in Mun and moving to Sil. Can you support Ber to Sil?",
"Maybe you could move Vie-ADR?",
"Ven-Adr definitely makes sense, as does your move to Sil. I can move to Gal as well.",
"Thank you. Glad to work together again.",
"Man that sucks. Why’d you do that?",
"I didn't think they'd actually take it - I really just wanted to make sure Italy got into Marseille. I'm sorry about that - obviously if I'd wanted to attack you I would have done it myself! It should be pretty easy to repair though, right?",
"Of course, you could just leave that unit in Munich for now, where you can keep an eye on it? Once you have it surrounded, you crush it easily. Right now if I don't support Warsaw you can get it guaranteed: Bal-Lvn cuts that support, and Sil S Pru-War gets in, if I move gal?",
"Can you move to Gal?",
"I’m in Gal already, what do you mean?",
"Sorry, are you moving Gal? Is what I meant to ask.",
"You mean can I move Gal so you know it’s not supporting War?",
"Yeah, what is your plan for that unit?",
"I was going to cover Bud because part of the reason I had to make moves dangerous for you was because Russia is all around me right now, and I need to get them not focused on taking 2-3 of my centers. Once they are not totally hovering over me, I’m more safe to actually counterattack",
"Ok we’ll see after this turn I suppose.",
"Gal can cover Bud, Alb can cover Ser, was some of what I’m doing to make sure I’m less likely to get smashed."
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"Hello Russia, would you like to work together?",
"Greeting Good Sir Kaiser,\n\nAn alliance would sound good to me! How about the old Warsaw Pact of 1901 (DMZ in Prussia, Silesia, and Bohemia)?",
"Agreed.",
"Can you help me verify some information and see if I can trust the chain of people I have received information from? What are you and Turkey’s plan for the Black Sea?",
"Are plan is to bounce in the black sea",
"Hey just want to check in and make sure we’re still good with the dmz you wanted?",
"Yeah sounds good! Can you sup me into Sweden? I’ll give you Norway if you do...",
"Hey sorry I didn’t see that, I wasn’t on all yesterday. I’d like to work with you in the north since I’m afraid England is good and will have France soon.",
"Ok sounds good. What do you have planned?",
"England is moving out of Nwy back into the oceans. I would like Swe. What are your thoughts?",
"Ok sounds good I will give you sweeten but in return can you destroy one of your fleets and build somewhere else? That much naval power to the north is scary to StP",
"Do you need me to destroy and build somewhere else? I want to move it out of the area. England was afraid of the same reasons and will be less suspicious if I move it in rather than rebuild it.",
"Yeah that works",
"Supporting you into sweeden",
"Cool, appreciate the help.",
"How did you not get sweden last round? I suped you in",
"I was positioning to get ready for England. Thanks, I’ll get it this turn though!",
"You’re closing in on Turkey very quickly. How are your relations with Austria?",
"Almost as good as ours. It will be interesting to see who gets what in Turkey",
"Good. Have you predetermined the division of Turkey at all?",
"Ha not much yet. What's your move for the year? Are you stabbing england",
"Yeah same with France. France wants to give their centers away to England so I do not think this is the turn to stab if they’re about to gain centers so easily. I’ll let you know when I have my moves planned.",
"Congrats on your progress into France! Looks like you have as good a shot on paris as England or France! With England sailing back North I wanted to ask you to reconsider your allegiances. Since I predicted your stab into my territory, I suggest we get back on good terms vs you continuing your attack (which will be a lot less fruitful without your control of Lvn). We would make a good team with you going Northwest and me going southwest.",
"Hello Russia. I would like to discuss the reconsideration of alliances. Are you willing to commit to going against Austria?",
"I am considering that Austria might be the strongest power on the board at the moment. It looks like they could probably keep that momentum unless they meet resistance from more than one of us.",
"Yeah Austria is looking pretty strong. What are you thinking for 1904?",
"I think we start moving on Austria. I need to have Austria thinking I’m not going to attack them so I’ll probably hold Mun and not do much else near them. Maybe move in France too.",
"Will you let me move Lvn back to Pru?",
"Sounds good. Yeah I made sure you got Prussia 👌",
"I know we might be a bit at odds right now, but I don't particularly like you getting attacked from two sides so i thought id let you know that ska is moving to take Den this fall...",
"Thanks. Are you still planning on attacking me or just letting me know about the second attack?",
"Greetings Germany! Apologies for my previous string of betrayals. Austria had now in turn betrayed me which leaves me pretty far out of the game (like you are as well unless im mistaken). I propose that I support you into NWY from Sweden to cause a little chaos and prevent the seemingly eminent austria/england win",
"Hello Russia! Good to hear from you. Excuse my ignorance but how would Austria/England win if the game ends after 1910 winter?",
"Hey England and I have agreed not to attack you anymore. I have gotten to where I can just defend. And we would prefer if we can allow you to focus on defending Moscow for the rest of the game."
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"Hey Germany, would you like to work together?",
"Yes I’d like to work together. Can you let me know what your regional alliances are besides me?",
"Currently, France and I are keeping the channel clear and, for 1901 only, we aren’t building fleets in Brest or Liverpool.\n\nI’ve asked Russia not to go north and am trying to convince Italy to not hit France.\n\nMy preference is to work with you over France long-term because you can build armies while I build fleets, ensuring neither of us can effectively stab the other",
"To work with you, I’d ask that you don’t build F Kie in 1901 and that you let me have Belgium at some point before 1904",
"I’m good with that plan. Similarly I’d rather ally with you over France but will be needing to discuss nonaggression for the moment with France.",
"I can hold off on building fleets initially.",
"Is your initial plan to move north or toward France?",
"If you can, please try to convince Austria and Italy to pursue the lepanto. Italy going west at the start fractures the west to the point that we can’t do much without incorporating Italy into our alliance, and Italy doesn’t strike me as an experienced player.",
"1901 is just Norway. Beyond that, I’m thinking France, unless am opportunistic StP presents itself",
"Are you planning on hitting Bur right out of the gate? If so, I might need to adjust my plans.",
"I have briefly talked to both Italy and Austria in my direct interests only. I will try to convince Italy East is ideal.",
"Ok I am fine with your Northern plans. I haven’t heard enough from Russia yet to exchange anything of use there.",
"Not sure about Bur yet. Can you share what your plans would be depending on what I do with that army?",
"I’m thinking. I’ll get back to you. I’m putting my kid to bed soon.",
"If you order\nF Kie - Den and either\nA Mun - Ruh + A Ber - Mun Or\nA Mun - Bur + A Ber - Kie\n\nThen I can swap to\n\nF Lon - EC\nF Edi - Nth\nA Yor - Wal",
"So basically a southern English opening + either a pure Anschluss or Rhineland",
"I’m thinking F Kie - Den, A Mun - Ruh, A Ber - Mun. I’ll let you know if there are any changes but right now I’m unsure about Italy’s intentions.",
"I would like to take Bel in 1901 if possible. Are you for sure going against France",
"I thought you wanted it before 1904? I’d prefer if I got Belgium initially and then could move on to France while giving Belgium to you at a later time. Would you be ok with that?",
"If I can take it in 1901, I’d prefer that so that I can put out a navy that can break into MAO without losing EC.\n\nWe each get 5 if we split\nGermany: Den, Hol, Swe, Par, Mar\nEngland: Nrwy, Bel, Bre, SP, Por\n\nThis split also puts my navy away from you and pushes you towards armies, which is more sustainable long-term.\n\nI said before 1904 because it is possible that France will order A Par - Pic & A Mar - Bur, or some other combination of moves that makes it near impossible for us to take Bel in 1901.",
"What do you think?",
"This is a partnership and I would prefer to treat it that way.",
"Ok I can agree to all of that. Sounds like a plan.",
"I’m set to hit France.\n\nWhat have you heard from Russia about up north?",
"I have an idea. You tell France that I (England) am being super rude and making all sorts of demands and you would rather not work with me, but you need France to support you (Germany) into Bel because I’m convoying there and you need to build F Kie.\n\nDepending on France’s response we hit some combination of Bel, Hol, and Bre.\n\nWhat do you think?",
"Scratch that",
"I want to hear France and Italy’s reactions before we make plans for this season. I think it could help us be more efficient if we can use that to guess correctly.",
"France told me you had EC as dmz and I wasn’t openly aggressive so I’ll pretend like I’m going to side with them to get their orders.",
"France told me you had EC as dmz and I wasn’t openly aggressive so I’ll pretend like I’m going to side with them to get their orders.",
"Ok",
"Any thoughts?",
"France is expecting you to move to Brest. Where do you think we should move?",
"I’m hitting Bel. You could go Bur and Hol?",
"Yeah I can do that.",
"I’m thinking two fleets for me. Will you hold off on building a fleet this year?",
"Sure I can do that this turn.",
"If you can put your fleets on the west so you can get around Spain and put pressure there that’d be great. Especially because France is all armies on the main area.",
"And the we can talk about plans up north after builds.",
"As long as Russia doesn’t build A StP or F StP(NC), my plan for 1902 is to move into MAO via Irish, EC, and NwgS, with one fleet in Nth. I might be able to convoy you into pic.",
"I’ve been talking to some people about Russia and since I bounced them in Sweden and they don’t believe my excuse I think I need to build a fleet to take to Bal.",
"Can you live with that? I won’t be able to make use of another army right now against France anyways.",
"If you build in Ber",
"I think we can lock up the north now. What do you want to do for France?",
"I can hold in Hol so you can convoy that army somewhere in the fall. I can support Bel to Bur. While I move Bur to Gas.",
"If Russia moves to Pru, you might have a problem if you hold A Hol.\n\nWhat do you think about\nA Bel - Pic\nA Bur S A Bel - Pic\nA Mun S A Bur H\nA Hol - Kie?",
"I don’t think I need to worry about Pru. Austria is pretty strong on Russia’s south west.",
"The rest looks good though if you’re good with that plan. Still thinking about what to do with Hol. But that doesn’t really affect you so much.",
"What are you doing with your Norway fleet?",
"F Nrwy - NwgS",
"Ok I’m moving A Hol - Kie.",
"What are your plans?",
"I’m thinking A Bur-Mar if I can get Italy on board. A Mun-Bur. What do you want to do?",
"What are your plans?",
"I am trying to get Italy to support me Bur-Mar but they think Par will be supporting Bre rather than cutting my support from Bur-Mar. Anything you could say to them to convince them to support me into Mar?",
"I’ll try to think of something to say",
"Thanks.",
"I don’t really know what to tell him that would convince him to support you in. He’s in the better support position but he has to realize that he needs the center more than he needs France dead",
"You have any ideas?",
"Bur-Gas, Mun-Bur. And then I can take it myself next year.",
"Any thoughts? What are your plans?",
"Scratch that last plan. Italy is going to support me into Mar.",
"What are you doing?",
"Sorry, my birthday is today and I was at dinner.",
"I think I’m going to shoot for Bre, just in case it’s open. If I’m bounced in MAO, then that means France won’t be getting a center.",
"Happy birthday! Hope it’s been a good one!",
"Yeah that plan is what I was thinking too.",
"What’s your next move? I think if you generally swing around Spain toward Italy while I work on Russia in the north we can finish off France and move on to our next targets.",
"I agree. I’d rather you didn’t build another fleet right now. Would that be ok?",
"Yeah sorry I didn’t respond before adjudication but that was my plan. Figured you wouldn’t want me to build fleets.",
"In return for me not having fleets could you avoid NTH?",
"I’d like to discuss who we can attack next as well since France is on the ropes.",
"I’ll move F Edi - NwgS then Nrwy. I’m keeping F Bel there in case France retreats.\n\nI say we’re close to stabbing Italy and Austria. Russia is not in a position to fight back and never will be with turkey so messed up. What do you think?",
"I was thinking maybe I take on Russia and you work towards Italy. It will be a little longer of a route for you but will help you secure the West.",
"Would you mind leaving StP open until I take it? Having only one unit bordering Nrwy would help keep things stable",
"So like don’t go to stp?",
"What are your plans for this turn?",
"I’m setting myself up for Iberia.\n\nIf you take StP, I’d very much prefer that you did it by taking StP(SC) instead of using an army. That way we can maintain stability in the north",
"Can I have your support into Paris? I’d also like to ask how we were planning on dividing France so as to keep things balanced?",
"I thought we discussed you get Par and Mar and I get Bre + the Iberian.\n\nCan you take Mar instead?",
"What are you planning on this turn?",
"What’s the deal with Austria?",
"If I get Par and Mar, can you not support me from Bre?",
"Need to talk to Austria but they’re claiming defensive positioning after not responding in time to messages.",
"Please don’t take StP with an army.",
"I’m not planning on it. And I really doubt I’d be able to with Russia picking up 2 centers in Turkey.",
"Oh, I missed that. Is Austria going to start sniping Italy?",
"Im talking with them but unsure right now. I got myself in a bind when I fell asleep the other night when negotiating with Austria and they moved toward me. I hope they’ll draw back and choose to go after Russia or Italy next but I doubt it’ll be Russia based on their collaboration to finish Turkey off faster.",
"Yeah, I think we can hold against Russia with what we have up there. Austria might be tricky.",
"Can you keep moving fleets toward the Mediterranean after France falls to prepare for fighting Austria? I have a feeling Italy will fall soon after France unless Austria just chooses another target.",
"I’ll move some, but I need to keep a couple back to keep you honest and maintain control of Nth. This is why I’ve been so pushy about your fleet production and keeping armies out of StP/Fin. If you don’t build fleets, then I don’t have to keep people in the rear.",
"Understood. I’ve already selected my build to be an army. I don’t want to do anything that makes either of us hold back from our adversaries any more than necessary just to cover a potential stab.",
"And Austria is about to smack Mun, which is unfortunate.\n\nShould I go ahead and dump a fleet into StP so that you can take Mos?",
"Let’s hold briefly while we wait to see builds. But that might be necessary.",
"F Bel H\n\nWhat do you think about\nA Bre - Gas\nF ENG - MAO\nF MAO - Naf\nF NTH - Nwy\nF WES S MAO - Naf\n\nAnd then you order\nF Swe - Fin\nA Kie - Swe\nF Bal C A Kie - Swe\n\nThat’s a risky move, but I don’t know how to keep A Liv alive without leaving Pru open as a retreat area, and there’s no point in leaving A Kie boxed in.",
"Any thoughts?",
"I like your moves. I’m worried this will over commit me toward Russia right when Austria is at my doorstep. If it the right time to push further East?",
"I share your concern",
"Can you s A bre - has",
"Yes you have my support.",
"Obviously I meant gas instead of gas, but I think you already figured that out",
"A Par - Bur\nF Bal Kie\nA Sil - Mun\nA Ber S A Sil - Mun\nA Ruh S A Sil - Mun\n\nWhat do you think?",
"?",
"Yes I’ll do most of that besides BAL -Kiel.",
"What are your plans?",
"A Mun could retreat to Kie",
"Ah thanks. Completely overlooked that.",
"Just trying to figure out the Mediterranean right now.",
"If you put A Par - Bur, you’ll be in a good place to take mar next year",
"Yeah I’m moving Par-Mar.",
"Are you trying to take Iberia first? Or push into the med against Italy?",
"Do you know anything about what Italy is planning? I’m debating what moves I should do first, but I don’t know if Italy is going to cover Tun",
"Not sure yet. I’ve talked a little with Italy but nothing sure yet. I’ll let you know if I find out before the deadline.",
"Thanks",
"Italy is planning on taking WES this turn. And they want to use France as a distraction to keep you occupied. That’s all I could get out of them.",
"Hey what do you want to do this turn?",
"Unless we can get Russia on our side, we are going to lose. I’m not going to be able to hold the stalemate line in the south and it’s lost up north.",
"I think you should move F Swe - Bot as a bounce before you delete the unit.",
"Yeah have you talked to Russia any?",
"I tried",
"I goofed. I forgot to change F EC - Nth to F EC - MAO",
"I’m sorry. I’ve doomed us.",
"Well the end is near. No worries. I’ll help you try to make a stand. I definitely don’t think I’ll make it to 1910 but you still have a chance.",
"Oh well. You need to get Italy to recognize the Austrian threat or get Russia on our side. He’s mad at you for moving to Liv forever ago.",
"Yeah that was a stupid decision on my part and I doubt I can sway him now that he and Austria have momentum.",
"I’m so happy that Italy didn’t retreat to Mao",
"Do you need anything from me",
"Will you be able to check back later tonight? I’m working until like 10.",
"I’ll try to remember. I’m usually in bed by 10.",
"Nothing too particular. But if you want to send a fleet for Norway we can try for StP next move?",
"Sure",
"Cool thanks. Let me know if you need anything from me.",
"I’ll support Gas - Mar. Anything else you want to do?",
"Sorry I forgot to move so you could take StP.",
"No problem. I’ve ordered A Gas - Mar.",
"I’m building an army in Edi to convoy to Nrwy.",
"Is that ok?",
"Ok cool that works for me. Let me know if you want me to make any different moves from what I’m making consistently.",
"Yes sorry I had forgotten to thumbs up my reply.",
"F BAL - Ber\nA Bur S Ruh\nA Kie S BAL - Ber\nA Ruh S Kie\nF Swe S Edi - Nwy\nHere’s what I have. Any thoughts?",
"Because A Ruh currently be displaced, what do you think about ordering A Bur - Mun to cut potential Mun support instead of A Bur S A Ruh?",
"Makes perfect sense to me. Updated my orders.",
"We have to manage Russia’s collapse. Austria stabbing is great, but we need to be careful",
"Ok let me know if you have any suggestions for what I should do.",
"If I were in your shoes, I’d hold F Ber and then use A Ruh and A Bur to support A Kie - Mun. Austria stabbed Russia. You might be able to take Mun back and rebuild your armies.\n\nSeparately, would you please support A Nrwy - Fin?",
"I will support. That plan works for me. Fingers crossed.",
"I guess I didn’t hit submit on my build. Sorry about that. Let me know if you need me to do anything.",
"I’m struggling with how to handle Ber, Bal, Mun, and Fin. Any ideas?",
"What do you think about the following? It keeps Russia from threatening Den and Kie\n\nF Ber - BAL\nA Bur - Mun\nA Mun - Ber\nA Ruh S Bur - Mun\nF Swe S Ber - BAL",
"Yeah I’ll probably lose Ber but that sounds about as good as I could figure out too.",
"Chat is back up, and my orders are in",
"We need to be careful with Austria because he is close to at least 2 stalemate lines\n\nposition 1 http://uk.diplom.org/pouch/Online/StalematesAtoY/staleIII.htm\n\nPart II position 1 http://uk.diplom.org/pouch/Online/StalematesAtoY/southern-progressive.htm",
"Ok so those are their positions and what recommendations on their orders? Let me know if you have any ideas to prevent it.",
"To slow him down, I think you need to contest Boh. I know that means you might lose Berlin, but you can always destroy it build an army in Kie.\n\nIf we can keep him out of Boh, then he’ll have to do a bunch of shuffling towards Turkey and we’ll have a better chance of taking Moscow",
"I think we need you to get your armies to the front in Austria. Are you going to have Boh hold while being supported",
"I think this is what I’ll do with the Austrian front. It’ll cut any support from the adjacent countries.\nA Ber - Sil\nA Boh - Vie\nA Mun - Tar",
"Any suggestions?",
"I’ve told Russia that I’m not advancing anymore because Austria becomes invincible if he takes Moscow. He might be open to working with us in exchange for survival",
"Ok I’ll message them in the morning a similar thing.",
"Russia is not entering orders. We need to get to Moscow now",
"Are you moving Ber to Pru? You might need all of the support to do it",
"I think we’d be better off if you supported Moscow holding. We aren’t in a position to take it."
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"Hello Turkey, would you be interested in a information sharing agreement? There shouldn’t be any direct conflict between us anytime soon but you can probably get information out of France and England better that me due to location.",
"Hello! I would be happy to accept this agreement.",
"Great to hear! How is your relationship with Russia? Plans for Black Sea?",
"At the moment I'm speaking with him about a potential dmz"
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"Hello, \n\nCould I expect a peace from my east?",
"Yes you can expect peace from the east.",
"Can you confirm the same for me?",
"Sure I can, lets keep bur DMZ and do not move there",
"Ok agreed.",
"Would you be interested in an adventure south?",
"I’m not opposed. I’m trying to convince Italy to lepanto. So maybe if you and I could hold of on appearing aggressive towards Italy they could shift their focus on the eastern med.",
"Do you have any plans with England? Or know of England’s plans?",
"For Italy: I'd like to have you press him to go east.\n\nWith England I do have a DMZ agreed",
"Working on Italy. I’ll let you know when I know for sure.",
"Hey, England is being very aggressive. What do you think they’re going to do?",
"I find your moves interesting. Yes England is hostile to me and if you join him I'm out, but if you join me we can successfully defend the mainland while taking out Italy. More centers and then after English centers are easy grab.",
"I can explain my reasoning if that helps. F Kie-Den is obvious choice in my opinion to get a center and get involved in the north, A Mun-Ruh is still in agreement with what we discussed and gives me a little say on Holland/Belgium, A Ber-Mun was mostly as a deterrent to Italy from attacking Austria and a little bit vice versa.",
"I’ve had a neutral enough opening. Want me to ask England anything to try to predict their moves?",
"I see, but if you moved into tyr italy could be done until 1903, especially if austria joins",
"No need, England is probably going for Brest",
"Ok I’m not so sure about attacking Italy though, let me talk to Austria and get back to you. I won’t give away anything you’ve told me.",
"Still interested in attacking Italy or no?",
"Definitely not anymore",
"I will surrender to england, with only one center to survive",
"Is there a reason you’ve chosen to surrender to England?",
"Italy and I have discussed things and would rather rebuild you and push back on England together if you’re interested in not surrendering.",
"He is stronger so he can protect me better. If you do intend to do so, please move back from my lands.",
"Working out the plan but yes that is the intention. Will you commit to working with us?",
"How do you intend to fight england with all those armies?",
"Strong alliances and putting myself at risk. But I think with your help we can limit any gains England could get this turn and I could get 2 builds. If they take you this turn it’s probably all over.",
"I have Italy committed to helping with their fleets and not attacking you or me. I have Austria on board with a non aggression agreement. And I am discussing terms with Russia. You are the final piece to the puzzle. I’d really like your help.",
"Really?",
"Yeah but if I can’t get you on board this plan will be scrapped and I’ll need something else. If they can add 2 centers while I take 2 that’s isn’t worth the risk of turning on my strongest ally.",
"And you have built all the armies and dare to ask me to join your \"plan\" while italy is keeping his mouth shut? Thats why england is getting my centers",
"Which center is England letting you keep?",
"Not something I wish to share"
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"Hello Russia! I’m curious as to how you like to play this game? I’m often a big fan of the A/R alliance: Turkey is a great initial target, Germany second, with Italy coming next after that for me and England next for you. Lots of possibilities! Any thoughts?",
"Greeings Austria!\n\nI agree the old Jug is a little obvious, I do believe that A/R is a lot more flexible for both of us ! \n\nHow do you envision a 1901?",
"We could bounce in Gal, as that’s a fairly safe way to maintain those two units in a rearguard position, for starters. Then there’s Turkey: if I can convince them that you’re going north so that they can move quickly with their fleets with me (ie Ank-Con) then you could just *take* BLA, which would speed up this whole endeavor right away. If we don’t think they’ll do that (or you don’t want to lie in 01), you two could just bounce there and go to Mos-Ukr while I go to Ser, then in the Fall you could either take Rum with the fleet (so you can force BLA), or else I support you into Rum from Ukr while going for BLA again. Of course, Italy goes Trl and Ven right out of the gate, I won’t be as useful an ally to you ;p",
"Any thoughts on 1901 moves? Germany and Italy both seem content to play cautiously (so they say: the Anschluss \"hold in Munich\" from Germany, and \"how about a Lepanto?\" from Italy), and Turkey is making friendly sounds but nothing concrete. You feeling like the typical \"3 units south\" approach, so we can pick apart Turkey? I don't seen any obvious E/G fighting right out of the gate to give you an easy opening into Scandanavia (as cool as that would be - A/R alliances where R gets in the west early can do some fun things...)",
"Agreed on the bounce in Gal. Yeah if you can convince turkey to move F to Con that would be great!",
"Are you worried that Italy will disrupt you this spring?",
"Italian 1901 moves are a wildcard. I think they want to take it cautious, which means I’d have a tiny bit of breathing room, but if you were Italy and wanted to dive into Austria, wouldn’t you tell them you wanted to move cautiously, too? ;p",
"Yeah fair, what are your 1901 plans then? Going for Serbia and keeping Trip defended might be the way to go then?",
"Wow the west looks way more fun than what we’re all doing!",
"Ha how's that?",
"England gets into the channel with the aggressive convoy from Wales option, Germany puts two on Bur, and France weirdly decides to launch an army into the east. Things will move fast over there.",
"Of course we could slow things down for them if it starts to look out of hand. And we (you, especially) need to watch a nascent E/G alliance. I’m sure we’ll be able to do some fun stuff too 🙂 We should talk to France so they don’t crumble too quickly.",
"Wait dumby question im used to playdip. Why does the board show some people's spring moves and not others",
"Yeah that Germany/English alliance is looking pretty formidable. Looks like we do have An anti-Turkish Italy which could be useful. We need France to give E/G a fight. It'd be nice for us to get Sweden, but im looking pretty outgunned to the North.",
"The board shows me everyone’s moves, did you go back a season to see the moves, or are you only looking at the current position?",
"I see the board now, It just showed me everyones moves but Turkeys and mine it was weird",
"That is definitely odd!",
"At least you have no worries about an English army in Nwy, right next to StP. How did you want to play Rum? Tell Turkey you’re supporting your fleet into there, and if they stab you by taking BLA in the fall, you’ll build F Sev in the winter to force them right back out? Totally valid defensive threat, and maybe convinces them to leave Ank where it is?",
"Yeah that would be a good play! Are you going for the second build in Greece, not sure how that will play out with Italy and Turkey. I'm debating whether or not to go for Sweden or send my fleet South",
"I’m definitely going for Gre: Italy can’t guarantee a build without taking Tunis, which keeps Ion from being involved in Gre in any direction. Turkey may not feel like letting me have Gre... but I can support myself in, so they can’t really stop it either.",
"Yeah you need Greece, agreed. What if I tell Turkey that I will sup their bulgarian army into rum, which will then free up your army in serbia to actaully support me into rum. Then your albanian fleet gets greece for free",
"Do you think Turkey will believe that? We could try, but I’d hate to go for Gre unsupported and have Turkey decide at the last minute the they don’t trust you, or want to keep me from getting Gre. Let’s sound them out and see whether we can tell what they’re likely to do, and go from there?",
"Sounds good",
"Supporting you into Rum will show my hand as your ally, but that has to happen at some point. If I do that, do I have your assurance that in exchange, next season you'll do: Rum S Ser-Bul, so we can squeeze them back into their homeland? We'll need that to succeed in Spring so that in case they get into Aeg they can't stop it for the fall.",
"Hey so let me know what you think about fall plans, when you get a chance- although I imagine you’re hopefully having much more fun doing some New Year’s party or something 🙂",
"Looks like we only have 13 hrs until adjudication- quick timetable on this game, I guess!",
"In case you’re out partying and only read this while I’m asleep: if your good with my offer (I support you into Rum now, you support Ser-Bul next season), then it’s a deal. Also: since you didn’t ask for any particular plans in the War/Vie/Gal/Boh/Sil region, I’m going to assume a “bounce-enforced-DMZ” of Gal is still in effect, and we can do that again. If you’re planning instead on poking at Germany to remind them to be nice about Swe, I can instead cover Trieste. I could see how F Bal + A Pru could wreck havoc on a German position where their fleet has landed way up in Sweden. Kie + Ber + Den sitting kinda wide open. Just let me know, or else we can stick with another bounce for now.",
"Yeah sounds good",
"so that's a yes for \"I get you Rum, you help support me into Bul next season\", and \"let's stay off of Germany's doorstep for now, fight one war at a time\", yeah? 🙂",
"and I *assume* you meant you want support for Ukr-Rum, since you're doing Sev-Bla to keep Turkey out, right? Because you didn't actually say which unit you were sending to Rum... would be very sad to order a support for the wrong unit, y'know?",
"Yeah I’m not going to poke Germany. Sup my army, in moving into BlA with my fleet. You’ll get bul next season 👍🏻",
"cool. that's what I had ordered already, but glad to confirm.",
"wow, I'm glad I picked you to work with, and not Turkey. I really hate picking allies who can't get their orders in!",
"As a consequence, you can build Sev and force Arm in spring and crush Bul at the same time, and in fall 02, bul-con ensures that Con S Ank is cut, and Bla S Arm-Ank succeeds and the turk ends '02 on 2 dots.",
"Seems like you made a bit of a mis-order on War-Gal, though - that wasn't intentional, was it? I didn't want to *be* in Gal, I just wanted it empty. I can try to get out of your way there... but its going to be a bit crowded after the builds.",
"Oh yeah sorry about that I don't know what went wrong, yeah I guess try to evacuate that unit so it can actually be useful to us. Trying to decide whether to build north or south rn...",
"Want to plan a german offensive? It looks like we have a lot of free units that could attack them",
"two fronted war? Do we maybe want to pin down Turkey so they're unable to become a threat first, pick up one more build from them each? Plan for that: build in Sev, then do F Bla S Sev-Arm in spring, and F Bla S Sev-Ank in fall. Meanwhile, Rum+Gre S Ser-Bul in spring, and in fall, I hit Bul-Con to cut their support, so that Ank is unsupported in the fall, and we get both Bul+Ank in one year. One build for each of us, Turkey's down to 2 centers and can't cause much trouble (even behind us), and we can turn our attention more easily on Germany? We could use our rearguard units to push up on the German line now, but to actually break through, requires a ton of force: we really need Trl+Boh+Sil+Pru to ensure we crack Mun+Ber, unless they leave themselves totally undefended. Even just 2 armies back there and it's slow going, and they can pull Hol-Kie to fill in another support in one move. I'm game, but it seems maybe a year early?",
"Oh I didn’t see they build a fleet in Berlin... this means they’ll force Swe and put pressure on StP- unless you can convince them to work with you against England instead. Once the push fleets like that, they’ll be way out of position and yeah we can crack them. Maybe we can afford to push sooner... we should consider some tactics... I could perhaps be convinced.",
"So in theory, if we did the whole \"AIR-head\" alliance, we *could* blitz westward all at once now: Vie-Boh, Gal-Sil, War-Pru, Ven-Trl. All three of us go after germany now, and in the fall, we make supported attacks on both Munich and Berlin. One has to fall, and if they aren't careful in spring, both could in the same year. The problem with that kind of plan is it requires tons of trust for you, me and Italy. You have to trust me to not dive right in to Warsaw as you walk out, Italy has to trust leaving their entire homeland totally undefended, and I have to launch a two front war where my two allies could just coordinate instead walking Ven-Tri + Tun-Ion-Alb while you do War-Gal as I'm getting out of the way. Fun kind of things to do when trust has been built, but I don't know y'all one bit, yet. 🙂",
"so since I'm not sure I want to commit to jumping all over Germany just yet, I want to make sure you don't stress about my \"bored\" armies: my orders will involvee Vie H, Gal-Bud, as well as the Gre S Ser-Bul while you do Rum S Ser-Bul as well, ok? Italy will have a unit F Eas after this move, and will be convoying the army over to peel apart Smy and help you into Arm to take Ank. If you want to leave Gal open for now, we can keep it as a DMZ so you don't need to worry about Ukr or anything like that. Unless you have any other concrete plans you'd prefer to do, that is.",
"Yeah I am totally on board for your proposal that gets us one build each this round from turkey. i was juts saying we should start moving into Germany's territory, without making a full attack yet. Gal-Boh and Vie-Tyr could set us up for that next turn. As for working with Italy, that is an option but how much have you been talking with them so far? Yeah any ideas to the north for retaining StP?",
"Yeah sounds good to me. How will gal move to budapest since theres an army already there? Also how have negotaitions with italy gone? Do they expect Smy? or Con?",
"Gal-Bud, Bud-Ser, Ser-Bul, Gre S Ser-Bul. The latter succeeds as long as you hold up your end of the bargain and order Rum S Ser-Bul. You mis-order that, or \"forget\", and I am not able to get out of your way in Gal. :p",
"RE: Con/Smy/Ank: I've talked to Italy, and they're going for Smy, and will support me into Con, and if you need it (you won't, by then) I'll support you into Ank. A nice 3-way split of Turkey.",
"Ofc Im not looking to break our alliance anytime soon XD. A dual win is very possible for us...",
"RE: StP. That's tricky. If you send War north to help you hold it (which it will, for a year or two, until they bring all three of those fleets to bear at once), you're using the army which we'd want to be useful in Sil/Pru. As long as you cover StP now, they can't take it from you this year. They get Swe this year, and spring of next year they move into position, and then finally in fall they have 2-3 units in position to take StP. By then we should be able to make them think twice about that, either by backing up StP with some army strength, or else losing it temporarily while we push against Mun+Ber on land.",
"To your second point im not entirely sure about 2 builds for you, one for me, and one for italy (long term that is). Could I have Con and then give you smy next year? That would leave me with 1 more army the you, but that seems fair since im a lot more spread",
"RE: StP, yeah ill keep negotiating with E/G and if i can't get anywhere with them ill go for the protect StP at all costs> I think I might be able to play one against the other though",
"Long term, we don’t need Italy, no. In fact we can probably just take Smy from them the very year after they get it: if Turkey is dead and Italy has lots of fleets, they’ll be going after France, which only strengthens E/G further which we don’t want.",
"But as for current plans, we already splitting equally: I supported you into Rum (wasn’t needed, but I ordered it and that told Turkey I was their enemy, that cost me something), so you agreed to one season’s worth of support for me to get Bul: an even trade. Then I’ll make sure to keep tapping Con each season to cut support for Ank, which gets you that one, which would mean a fair trade after that is Con for me, which I won’t need your support for, just your permission that I can take it for myself and we’re still good. Italy taking Smy on their own helps both of us, because it gets rid of a unit which can support Con or Ank. Once this stuff is done, however, I’m open to giving you Smy, especially if we’re both moving against Germany and splitting Mun/Ber for the two of us.",
"But if you see it differently, let me know. Diplomacy is the name of the game, and it’s not a compromise unless everyone is equally unhappy 😉",
"Fair but the one thing for us to consider is if I get to builds this year I can put them to the north and two fleets would be the perfect support for out German invasion in the following year",
"A fleet in the north would be *awesome*, yes. If it looks like we have a chance at making sure that happens, I’m definitely interested in trying to help that become a reality. That totally opens up stalemate lines which otherwise get locked down.",
"Looks like Turkey has to choose this next season: block Arm, or Syr. Can’t do both. I’ll be in Aeg to make sure Turkey cracks open totally next year. I’m moving my armies a little south as well, to help them from worrying you 🙂",
"And yeah, you’re going to need two builds from Turkey sooner rather than later. That should be doable pretty quickly.",
"In fact, I’m a bit worried about your western border already. If you want to watch your back, and send that Rumanian army through the Gal DMZ so that you have two units covering War (in case Germany thinks about: Mun-Sil + Bal C Kie-Pri - yikes!), I’m cool with that if it’s just passing through for defensive reasons.",
"Yeah that is a little worrying. Should I just sup my Sev army inot Arm again?",
"If you want to ensure you own Ank at the end of next year, I think you need to do that supported attack again, yes. If you're worried about Germany and want to redeploy west, that's fine too, but it'll make it slower to get you a Turkish build.",
"If I were you, I'd send the Rumanian army to cover your western flank and keep hammering at Turkey so you can get builds (first Ank next year, then like we discussed, you can have Smy: we'll have to steal it from Italy, which may mean I need to stab them, and if I do that, I won't be able to simultaneously fight against Germany as much with you, but we can figure that out when we get to it)",
"Maybe Turkey forgot to order again... then they’ll lose all three of their units next season (and we’ll be able to get you Ank and Smy *both* next year). Make sure your orders are submitted just in case!",
"Awesome: the Turk chose to defend Syria not Arm. Attacks on Con and Smy ensure you get Ank in spring. Good to see England backed off in the north, nice diplomatic work on your part 🙂",
"hey things look pretty straightforward in the south: we both do supported attacks on Ank + Con, and Smy can only support one. The other is destroyed in Spring. Then in fall, whoever got in supports the other attack, and we get one build each next year.",
"Sounds good I plan on moving in on ank. what are your orders for bul and greece? Moving ser-trip coould set up a free build from italy this turn as well. Also any ideas on keepung france around a little longer. Germand and England don't seem that close",
"Also, I've heard intel that Germany is moving on us now. I suggest Vie-Boh and bringing your other units north would help us have the perfect counterattack for the following year when we get reinforcements",
"Yeah, moving two units back to Vie and Boh, now, and I would frankly be very worried, if I were you, of this: F Bal C Kie-Lvn, Ber-Pru, Mun-Sil. That would crack War in one season and put huge pressure Mos.",
"But if Germany does that, I’ll be ready to put pressure on them in Boh at least.",
"are you going to cover against Germany too?",
"Nice save, in the north! And if Turkey messes up in the fall, you get both builds from Ank and Smy in one year. Plus I’m covering your butt by moving to Boh so that Mun won’t go to Sil, so you’re looking pretty good! I’m going to need that build from Con this year, to get a second fleet: England is coming!",
"Yeah, Im glad I got the bounce to the north or i'd be in real trouble. Wait I don't think turkey even has to make a mistake. If I sup you into con from BLA than that prevents con from suping SMY from my two pronged attack from ank and arm",
"If Turkey orders con-ank, that cuts support of Ank s arm-smy. If you attack the other way, arm s Ank-smy, you’ll get into smy, but con-Ank will recapture Ank.",
"If you do Bla s Ank, Ank s arm-smy, you keep Ank but again con-Ank cuts support for your attack on smy.",
"However: Aeg s Arm-Smy, Bla s Bul-Con *is* guaranteed, now that I look closer! They have no fleets to cut either support now, so if we do that, then all three Turkish centers drop this turn! I missed that in my earlier analysis, thanks for making me dig into it again!",
"Can you take a look and make sure I’m reading the tactics on that correctly?",
"Yeah that's right! We should have the turk out of the game in the winter. You have my support from BLA into Con which guarantees your build, but to guarantee mine could you sup army in Arm into Smy with your AEG fleet? Bc otherwise Turkey has a shot of surviving if he cuts support from ank",
"Aeg S Arm-Smy and Bul-Con are both already ordered 🙂",
"You should make sure to leave both StP and Mos open for your two builds. I’m building F Tri (I’ll need it in the Mediterranean). Are you building a northern fleet now while you have a chance?",
"F Tri for me, A Mos for you, so F StP(sc) to back up your other fleet and keep England happy, or F StP(nc) to get one out up top before you get bottled in?",
"Sounds about right",
"You decide on whether you'll do south coast, or north? Looks like you've managed to avoid war with England up until now, so probably south coast?",
"Yeah prob either south coast or army. Im thinking an army could be good since I already have one fleet there",
"yeah an army can sneak around in Nwy/Fin easier too.",
"I've played this game a long time, and I don't remember the last time I saw an A/R alliance with both Austria and Russia building fleets in 1903. That is the sign of an extremely well-functioning alliance for primarily land-based powers. 🙂",
"Hell yeah man were doing well! How should we coordinate the German offensive this year?",
"I am going to support France into Munich. You should push them back to Prussia, right? I have a little concern that if they go into Sil, we will have a hole in our line - Galicia. What should we do about that? Either I can go there, or you can convoy an army from turkey up to Rum, and go into Gal the season after that. Either way, one of us should transit through Gal towards the front lines.",
"We can drain our units out of Turkey at the same rate, so we both are safe over there, and get our units where we can make use of them.",
"Okay sounds good ill pull the ank army to fill the hole. Would it be valuable to pull that Con army up into the fold? Also I love the support france into Mun play. As for ejecting Germnays foothold in Lvn, I think I march from Moscow right?",
"I will definitely bring Con out of there, but do you mind if it waits a season, so that we evacuate Turkey at the same rate? You’ve got 2 units there now, and I’ve got 1. After this season it’ll be one each, and we can pull them out at the same time? Just helps us both worry less about any asymmetry.",
"Mos-Lvn, StP and War supports the move, GoB-Bal cuts the possibility of Bal s Lvn, seems like the right set of northern moves?",
"Re: Turkey- if you want to move faster, we could: I could move my con out now if you are moving both your armies out: Ank-Rum and smy-arm?",
"So actually I’m not going to stress about Turkey: I’ll trust you and move con-Bul and I suggest you move smy-arm to get that into play as well. I think I need to go to Gal in case Germany goes to Sil and also retreats lvn-pru- you’ll need extra support to hold War if Germany has pru + sil and can cut Lvn with their fleet.",
"I can shuffle Gal out of your way so you can get Rum in place to support your own unit, unless you want me to keep Gal there for now? You could bring your other army around, and move Rum-Ukr? Either way, if you want to do Rum-Gal, let me know and I will move out of the way.",
"What are your thoughts? Seems like a key season for coordination.",
"I think Ill move Rum-Gal if your cool shuffling. I'll start moving Smy into the fold as well. Want to move Greece to Ion so we have another fleet in the Med?",
"Since were still bringing units up, I think I will prob not be making any offensives up north unless you have any ideas?",
"Yep I'll get Gal out of the way and let you get up there to support yourself in the push toward Berlin. As for moves, Bot-Bal, War S Lvn-Pru, Lvn-Pru might succeed if I ask France (who owes me a favor) to tap Sil? Or you could counter attack next season after you have Gal in place.",
"Yeah lets push Germany out of Pru. Ask France to tap Berlin though bc you can tap Sil with Boh. Then we can disband Pru if im looking at this right",
"I am probably moving Aeg-Ion to hold England off, yes. And good point re: Sil/Ber. I'm feeling a little exposed in the Balkans, though. I may need to cover my butt those southern armies - I would hate for our alliance to fall apart because you noticed shiny dots sitting undefended!",
"Yeah likewise. I mean to be fair as long as we don't stab each other I think we have the dual win in the bag at this point, which kinda of discourages betrayal. What are you thinking as far as covering rn? To be fair I'm relatively exposed too",
"Well if I'm leaving Aeg, you'll have no worries about Smy, but I'm looking at Bul and Ser. Hey maybe if you're not doing anything with Bla this season, we could do Gre-Bul, Bla-Bul(ec), and we'd bounce. My dot would be safe, and we'd keep the good position we're in, and I wouldn't be any closer to Rum, so you'd still be safe in leaving it for Gal.",
"I'm not sure about Ser. I guess I won't worry about it, because if you stabbed me for it, you'd have an army sitting all alone in the middle of my territory, and would not last long.",
"Agreed on the bounce. Although that wont work next season bc I will convoy that last army into the fold.",
"Should I also ask France for the cut, or would it be more effective to leave that to you?",
"we can work out a different bounce if we need it, or maybe we will be just less entangled and won't need to worry about it then.",
"I asked them already.",
"and reminded them that their help here is ensuring that their enemy has to enemies pushing on them hard. Plus, I don't think Mun is under threat right now.",
"France is tapping Berlin, so I’ll tap Sil and you tap Bal and you should be able to crush Pru!",
"So, some thoughts on strategy, beyond small tactics: we can keep Italy working with us for another year, but I think if we want to push forward, we need yet another fleet each. I could take two dots off of Italy next year, keep one build for myself and one you could take from me in Con. The real key for us, long term, is to get into Bur, Ruh, and fleets in the north",
"you forgot to bounce me in Bul! Not the end of the world, but I didn't want to be in Bul. We may need to put off killing Italy for a little while - they're gaining position against England, and the more tied up in the south that England is, the less ability they have to help you out Germany against you in the north. Have you thought of offering to support them into Sweden? It would be amazing for us if G/E started fighting...",
"You might want to move your Ank army up too Mos, instead of Gal, btw: if you can cover StP with an army, it would free up that fleet to dig in against Den/Swe/Kie/Ber.",
"Yeah sounds good Ill move that ank army up to cover mos/stp. Ill ask england if they want support into Swe. So should we wait on attacking Italy this year or not? Im not partial either way, but I agree that once we do you should give me some of your builds in the back as you gain from italy. That way i can have some new fleets to make gains to the north",
"I indeed thinking on holding off on attacking Italy this year, because they are likely to make progress against England. And yes, if we’re not getting you builds in Germany and I *am* getting builds in Italy, we need you building in the Atlantic, which I can’t do, for sure! Similarly, if I can break through in France and need builds and you’re getting some in Germany - you’d do the same for me! 🙂",
"Spring: Boh-Mun (cut their use of that for support), Tri S Vie-Trl, Vie-Trl, Bul-Gre. You do War S Gal-Sil, Gal-Sil, Pru S Bal-Ber. This *forces* Germany to do Kie S Ber or else Berlin falls in Spring. If they do hold Berlin for spring, they lose it in the fall, because Sil can be the mover while Bal cuts Kiel and Pru supports the move, uncuttably. Fall we possibly also have the option of asking Italy to do Mar-Bur which cuts that support, and then Trl+Boh+Sil to take Mun. Or that can wait for the next season. Looking pretty good!",
"Any thoughts for moves? Running out of time, let's not lose momentum!",
"Sounds good! Yeah ill take Sil, threaten Ber, and bring that ank unit north.",
"Alright well Berlin fell quicker than expected. I'm thinking of moving the sev army into Mos, which should allow me to send my StP fleet to Bot.",
"I think a quick seizure of Scandinavia will prevent Britain from saving Germany from our ground invasion. That's why i think i should move my Berlin fleet back out to BAL, and replace it with my prussian army (supported by sil just to make sure). then I can move warsaw into prussia to cover that territory.",
"I think this line of play is in our best inetrsts but I wanted to run it by you to see if you think either of those moves into the baltic sea seemed to risky",
"Lvn is critical yes. And Mos. Berlin is trickier: we can retake the typically hard to capture Munich now with: Ber-Kie, Mar-Bur, Sil+Boh+Trl work together to force Mun",
"If they knew how to play this game, they’d see that coming and do this: Kie s Mun-Ber, Swe-Bal. that would evaporate Ber in exchange for losing Mun. But to avoid losing the fleet you could shuffle Pru out of the way to leave it open for a retreat space. Or, let them evaporate it, and rebuild F StP(*NC*) which would totally screw them",
"With a mos, f stp(nc), they are so sunk in Scandinavia",
"So we could put your Sil army in Munich if you’d like and then Berlin is still easy next year. Yeah I think that’s best: get you Munich for the north coast build, save Pru as a retreat space as well: Pru-Sil to get out of the way in case Ber has to retreat and Bal is taken",
"France is on board to do Mar-Bur. So we can get you Munich (and if Germany isn't very smart, you'll have both Munich *and* Berlin)",
"I’ve already put in orders for Boh and Trl S Sil-Mun",
"Sounds good!",
"arggggg! I told you to do F StP-Lvn, not GoB. Now you can't build in StP - if you'd gone to Lvn, you'd have fleets in Ber + Lvn + StP, and more easily able to protect against England who will bee convoying an army to Nwy next season (if they have any brains at all)",
"other than supporting Munich, do need anything from me this season? I have ideas about the North, but I'll let you ask if you want any advice 😉",
"(but I can't help myself: StP -> Fin is unlikely to be blocked, and then you can do A War S Mos-Lvn, A Mos-Lvn, A Sev-Mos, A Sil S Ber. What do you think? Too safe? Better to make some risks?)",
"In the south, I'm just putting myself in position to replace Italy's units while England floods into the Med. If you can't get a foothold in Scandanavia, England will be leading this board in 1910...",
"Ok thanks I think ill do that, sorry for not responding my messages havnt been sending for the last week",
"Oh nice! StP open for F StP(nc)!!!",
"So England is totally overcommitted in the south, and yet cannot break my stalemate line (I don't think they understand that though). Your new northern fleet is going to be a pain in their butt, keeping them pinned down protecting Nwy. I have a plan to get you another northern unit, but it requires being clever: you move Bla-Bul, and I use my two new armies to dislodge you from there, and you retreat off the board and rebuild up in StP (maybe south coast, this time, so you have 3 fleets against Germany's 2, and you can capture Bal and break through their lines to capture Den or Kie?). Other than that, the only option is hoping you guess cleverly and/or E/G screw up. Getting you an extra unit up there seems the most efficient, and your F Bla isn't doing us much good anymore.",
"Sounds good ill move Bla-Bul. Should I attempt the Fin sup Stp into NWY?",
"I thought about Fin+StP, but then I remembered about coasts: Fin *can't* support an attack on Nwy: it's a fleet, and can only support an attack on a province it could itself move to, so that support is invalid 😦",
"so I'd instead go for GoB, which would force Swe S Bal, and allow you to instead do GoB c Lvn-Fin, and then you *do* have a unit which can support an attack on Nwy.",
"Oh hey, I forgot - Mun/Ber. Just want support or are you shuffling units around for better placement?",
"Because if you wanted, you could do Mun-Ber, Ber-Pru, Sil-Mun, and I can support Sil-Mun to make sure you keep it, but you'd have a spring risk you'd lose Ber, and need to recapture in the fall...",
"But if I don't hear from you, I'll assume you just want support for Munich.",
"Sounds good ill grab BOT, and I think i will go for the grand shuffle. So please support sil-mun",
"two supports ordered for Sil-Mun.",
"Although, looking at the way Germany plays: Munich is less likely to be attacked than Berlin. If you wanted, you could just leave it open for a season and do Sil S Mun-Ber. Then when Germany does Bal S Kie-Ber, you’ll both bounce but you’ll have shuffled Ber safely back to Pru. Then in the fall, you can do Pru + Mun S Sil-Ber, and it’s 3 vs 2 you get in with the army, and can concentrate the fleets on the Swe/Fin area. I’ll support whichever you choose though. It’s your risk, your choice",
"Ok, I'm doing Rum-Bul, Ser S Rum-Bul to get rid of that southern fleet and if you can retake Ber, rebuild. I think you can crush Berlin: Pru + Sil S Mun-Ber, Bot-Bal cuts off their retreat. The only way they guess their way out of it is to explicitly run away from Ber: Ber-Bal, Swe S Ber-Bal, which would be weird. Their fleet getting crushed would really screw them though. You'd wreak havoc on Kie/Den/Swe if they only had one fleet. The other guess you could do is Sil S Mun-Ber, Pru S Gob-Bal. If they try to run away and you do that, again: their fleet is crushed. So I guess you now have a 50/50 guess at totally wrecking the german fleet! 🙂",
"Ummm... please try to at least put in provisional orders next time. Kinda wrecks the game for you allies when you NMR :/",
"And do remember to disband F Bul instead of retreating... the rest of our northern line depends on those units existing where they are...",
"Of course part of this is my fault! Apparently my order change to put in double support for Mun didn’t go through- it saved the version where I supported Sil-Mun :/",
"Yeah apologies for that one, I will not miss another step",
"If you do GoB s Pru-Bal, War-Pru , Sil s War-Pru and they work, Germany will be pretty toast",
"Let me know what you want Boh + Trl to do. You can clearly retake Mun or Ber.",
"Im sending pru to bal and war to prussia, so probably cant take ber or mun this season",
"Ok, sounds good. Make sure to use GoB to support Pru-Bal, in that case!",
"Ah I would be pretty mad about the stab but I did kind deserve it with that missed set of orders last year. Are you splitting with Germany or England? If it's both ill prob just surrender",
"We could probably end the game as a 3-way tie EGA at the end of the year. Sorry about the stab... I had gotten kinda bogged down and we were running out of time. In a non- time limited game I would’ve been more patient (our A/R position was still better)",
"Did England say stupid shit to piss you off? I’d have thought you’d disband the fleets and slam into me to “punish my stab”? Not that I’m complaining! If you care, I’m happy to support your last unit or two to survive the game at the end, so that England can’t have the satisfaction of eliminating you...",
"Ha no, my thought process after a stab is more survival than revenge. Yeah that would be sick, which unit(s) do you want to keep alive?",
"they can't take A Mos without my help, if either you or I are in Warsaw.",
"so depending on how we get there, if it turns out you have both, great. If it turns out that I have War (and Sev/Ukr underneath) I'll be supporting you in Mos (and hoping you use that unit to support War)",
"I’m supporting Lvn-War and also tapping Silesia, if you want War back for your last move!"
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"Hey",
"Hey is for horses ( my dad used to say...) 🙂",
"And cattle",
"True dat!",
"I hear Italy is inclined to go after France. Could of course be a total lie, but if they’re also asking you to join in, maybe it’s genuine? What do you hear?",
"Nothing from Italy other than hello",
"Can you do me a favor and see if he seems interested in a E+G+I pile-on to F? You don’t need to commit to anything, but if he doesn’t seem interested then it means he’s coming after me. And having Austria collapse early does nothing to help England’s mid game, you know? :). Just means there’s probably a huge Russia and / or Italy on the board!",
"I’d rather not have Italy dabbling in France because the west gets crowded much more quickly than the east. There are more centers in the east than the west.\n\nItaly doing a lepanto to Turkey’s south is a fairly standard opening that keeps Austria and Italy neutral with each other",
"http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/strategy/articles/lepanto.htm",
"http://uk.diplom.org/pouch/Zine/S1998M/Birsan/Lepanto.html",
"Have you heard from Germany?",
"I’ve heard from Germany: he says you’ve offered him an alliance, and I encouraged him to take it if he gets trustworthy vibes from you, for what it’s worth (E+G is preferable to me, given that it keeps Russia in check).",
"As for the Lepanto, it’s up to Italy if he wants to go that route. I’d be fine going after Turkey with him, but if he’s... impatient, that quickly turns into “I’m bored waiting for my second build, I’ll go after Trieste now!” If you know what I mean.",
"Nice opening. That’s taking the driver’s seat early!",
"Yeah, if only pic wasn’t there. Wasn’t expecting Pie to happen, but that’s a definite plus for Germany.",
"Pic is fine. They have some guesswork to do: take the build from Por, and cover Bre with Pic (risking your convoy to Pic or you just walking into MAO, with them having no open center to build another Atlantic fleet), or else forgo a 1901 build and self bounce in Bre (leaving you looking like a genius if you guess right and support Pic-Bre, leaving them both without a build *and* way out of position). Lots of options for you (but no, no guarantees I suppose)",
"Yeah, it’s all mind games and I can’t participate in them directly",
"Yeah not much luck they’ll listen to your suggestions at *this* point 😉",
"Would you mind offering France some advice under the guise of trying to keep the west together longer?",
"To be honest: I’ve reached out but gotten radio silence from day one from them. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ I’ll keep trying though!",
"1. Point out that England can force Belgium\n\n2. Point out that Germany won’t give up a second build for a guaranteed Burgundy\n\n3. Point out that a bounce in Bur (i.e. A Pic - Bur & A Mun - Bur) bounces A Wal - Pic\n\n4. Losing Bre is unlikely because of the guaranteed Bel and even if France loses it, they won’t have to destroy and will be able to move A Mar & A Pic into place next year",
"Scratch that. just advise France to bounce Bur because Germany won’t use two",
"I could try either kind of suggestion, but aren’t they more likely to worry about what you do than what Germany does? How about this: I’ll try to get some idea about which way they’re most concerned with before I suggest which way to go, and then check in with you. If they never respond to my messages, well that’s also an indication they’re not so great at this game and you can go for whatever attack a n00b wouldn’t see coming 😉",
"I’m trying to get Russia to point out Belgium because Russia and I are clearly at least at peace with our openings. You’re naturally close to Germany, and will have more info on that front.",
"Two seemingly separate pieces of info that form a cohesive story when joined might create a stronger narrative in France’s head",
"I’m just spitballing. If you disagree, please let me know so that I can orchestrate a cohesive front of information",
"Indeed, this is a good point. As long as France isn’t ignoring all inbound messages and wasting our glorious diplomatic efforts ;p",
"He was chatting with me a good bit before the turn. Germany just made a better argument closer to the deadline.",
"Ah ok. Maybe just skiing today or something. Some of us do have lives, I suppose. Not me, but some of us 😦",
"I’m happy to pass on your suggestions as is,but will let you know before I do (once I’ve heard back from them). In return: do you have any intel on R/T relations?",
"so for what it's worth, France thinks I'm \"an ally of Germany\" and so doesn't want to share their plans with me unless I join in a 3-way alliance with them and Germany against Italy (which sounds weird, and I don't know how that would work). I think they're just not really experienced at this game, but at the same time, don't seem too inclined to take my suggestions either. So I *think* that any info I pass on to them might just backfire. I *did* already mention that losing Burgundy now would cause their entire position to crumble (which is the truth), so perhaps they're already planning to cover that (I would, if I were them, probably).",
"Thanks. If I were them, I definitely would move to Bur. I would also move to Tyr, but I’m weird.",
"Oh I would *totally* move to Trl. I thought about suggesting it to them, actually, before I talked to you about the various misdirection ideas.",
"It's a fun English position when France can't build a second fleet. You're sittin' in the cat seat now!",
"Yeah, those French moves were interesting to say the least. Definitely makes life easier.\n\nYou’re not doing too bad yourself with Turkey being so bunched up and Russia struggling in Swe.",
"I didn’t even notice A Smy...",
"Yeah A Smy is an interesting choice: F Smy slows Italy and I down, but leaves Arm undefended against Russia. A Arm keeps the Russian at bay, but means that frankly I could take Bul and then leave the Turk bottled up behind the Bosporus... forever, guarded by only one unit. It’s like England with no fleets!",
"Fun times in both of our spheres. You and me and Germany are looking pretty nice. Do you and I wait until T/F are more dismantled before we talk about coordinating our next target, or do we start musing that now? 🙂",
"I think we wait a bit. If someone found out we were even discussing stabbing them it’d hurt our ability to take out F & T.",
"Welcome to the sunny Mediterranean, Prime Minister! 😉",
"You sent a message in general chat and the bot deleted it. You can only send messages to individuals. What did you say?",
"Secret plans, broadcast to everyone! ;p",
"Has the time yet come to see how we can work together?",
"So this game, I think is it called \"move little armies and fleets around a board\", or something else, I forget? 🙂",
"Do we want to split this game two ways, or three? We’re stalemated in the Med, but I kill Russia, you kill Germany would be better than you and Germany slow me down and we end the game with 4 players, right?",
"But I’d be fine with an EGA draw as well",
"Germany and I are past the land and Mediterranean stalemate lines right now, and as you pick Russia apart, I’ll be able to blow past the northern one. Even though the game ends in 1910, I’m going to play it like it won’t.",
"Good luck cracking Ion!",
"(FYI there are stalemate lines that don’t include Tunis in the east, if you weren’t aware)"
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"Greeting oh Sultan of Turkey! Any thoughts on the way you’d like to play this game? I tend to love A/T alliances, with Austria building lots of armies and Turkey going mostly fleets (because breaking through to the Ionian Sea can be pretty hard otherwise). We could go after Russia first, and once they’re weakened, turn some force on Italy as well. Lots of loot to split up and keep us both happy for quite some time... what do you think?",
"I think that idea would work very well. You will most likely need to get a truce with Italy for the first few phases to protect your back until I can get ships in the area.",
"Sounds good - *if* I Italy is not lying to me, I could get that truce. What do you think we should do with Russia then? Try and trick him into leaving either Galacia or the Black Sea empty (I don’t imagine we’d be so lucky as to have him do both, but you never know, some people are just trusting like that 🙂 ). If you control BLA, we make pretty short work of the southern Russian position: Rum and Sev fall in a year or two. But if he’s cagey and careful, it’ll go slower.",
"That sounds good to me. I will talk with Russia about having a dmz in bla so I can move in.",
"So did Russia agree to leave BLA empty as a DMZ, and then go in anyway, or was that an arranged bounce like him and I in Gal?",
"No, the bounce wasn't planned. Could you support bul to rum, or are you supporting alb to gre?",
"Ok sorry for the slow reply, was a busy morning. So normally I'd be supporting myself into Gre, as that's the safest thing for me to do, from a selfish perspective (but one which gets me no goodwill from an ally). But you'd like my support for Bul-Rum, while presumably following up Con-Bul and trying for Ank-Bla again (so that Russia has to choose: do a supported attack on Rum, letting you into Bla, or else bounce you in Bla and let you have Rum) is that the proposal?",
"Hey Turkey: I’m sure you’re probably having an actual life and enjoying NYE, but we should make sure to coordinate for the fall, which will be adjudicated in 13hrs. As of now, we haven’t fully agreed on anything because I haven’t heard back from you yet.",
"Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. My plan is essentially what you've already laid out. I will move bul to rum, and ank to bla, but I will be moving con to smy so I can get a ship for certain.",
"Hey was having NYE dinner with the fam. Sounds reasonable, I can support that move, even if I can’t guarantee that it succeeds, since Russia could order Ukr and Sev to work together on Rum. But it’s worth a shot!",
"Well, I guess my move didn't upload for some reason, but I see it doesn't particularly matter since you betrayed me.",
"Yeah, sorry about that. It looks like it was a good choice for me though, because had I supported the move you didn't manage to submit, I would have pissed off the Russian while they still got what they wanted without my support, and had I wanted to keep going after them, they would have seen it coming. But I apologize, I did not follow through on the support you asked for this time."
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"Greetings! We probably don’t have too much interesting to say to each other this early in the game, but we both probably care what Italy and Germany do. What have you heard?",
"Wow we should talk, France. Drop me a line when you feel up for it, eh?",
"Sorry for not replying I was a bit busy. I will move back from Italy",
"No worries - we all have lives! Do you think you'll be able to trust Germany, while England is jumping all over you? I'd be worried about an E+G tag team attack if I were you... that can end very badly if they get an english army on the continent and a german army in Burgundy...",
"Well, it is not something I wish to share with you as a close ally with Germany. But I proposed him a tripartite attack on Italy, all three of us gain something while I mostly get to trust Germany",
"Fair enough! I'm not an avowed ally of Germany or anything - so far we've just both agreed to stay out of Tyrolia so we don't need to watch our backs. But I understand you may need to keep some of your choices close to the vest. However: if you do decide to go after Italy, that's something I'd like to know about, as that's right on my doorstep. They're a natural target for the two of _us_ to go after, but I'm not sure how Germany could easily participate in that: what supply center of Italy would they hold which wouldn't stretch them right next to my own home centers?",
"Looks like Germany and England are against me",
"indeed, as I suspected and tried to warn you about (and in particular, the move to Burgundy I think I mentioned was pretty obvious). One strategy I've sometimes found useful when getting tag-teamed by forces more numerous than my own: ask a neighbor to come to your aid, with the promise that if I start to collapse, I'll let that neighbor take my centers to spike those who are attacking me. In this case, you could ask Italy to move Ven-Pie, so that they can support Marseille, or if you're really struggling at some point, they can take it from you and use that to help you hold E+G at bay until they inevitably start fighting each other. In fact, once Italy is on your doorstep and E+G see this, the mere threat of someone else getting your supply centers sometimes leads to them attacking each other instead.",
"Nice defense! Retreat to Gas to cut off Germany’s only allowed retreat and they have to rebuild in Berlin and Kiel, way far away... maybe you can even convince them to back off now? Maybe even build fleets and go after England?",
"Build with what?",
"Germany’s only legal retreat is Gas. If you choose Gas as your retreat as well, both units are destroyed. They picked up Sweden this year as well, so if they have to disband Bur, but go up one center from Swe, they have two builds coming. Those two could both be fleets if they wanted to go after England and give up on attacking you...",
"Will England go for Brest",
"What do you mean? England just successfully took Brest, right? What are you asking?",
"Oh wait, I realize now that Germany *will* have an available retreat: Pic. Arg! That is unfortunate.",
"So I guess you can retreat to Gas, and decide whether to keep all three of your armies, or keep the fleet and lose one of them. I'm not sure which is more valuable. Armies will hold Germany off longer, but that fleet may allow you to pick up Portugal and survive longer. I could attack Italy to get them off your back, but what you really want is Italy *helping you*, not attacking you... You're in a tight spot.",
"What are your standings with Germany?",
"I'm trying to slow them down, so that they are less able to damage you and Russia. I don't have enough strength yet to take Munich though.",
"What is your relationship with Italy right now?",
"I am working with italy and we have agreed on something. I was thinking could you support me in munich? I am just willing to mess up and shake his position a bit",
"I can probably try to support that attack, but if Kie + Ber S Mun to hold, our attack won't succeed, and Mun S Par-Bur would dislodge you. If that happens, you can retreat to Ruh, which would totally cause tons of German pain, especially as Russia comes to help, so that could still be a good risk to take.",
"I was going on the same line, but it is hard to expect he will go for such defensive moves",
"This is where \"diplomacy\" comes in: if I can convince them that I'm going to not attack, we have a chance.",
"Maybe through italy this could work, he obviously wont buy my shit",
"Ok, I may have convinced Germany that I was just protecting my borders, and will back off so that \"we can both attack Russia\". But I have already ordered Trl+Boh S Bur-Mun. If you don't want to make that move, let me know so I can change my orders.",
"That's ok and should work",
"well that sure annoyed the German. 🙂",
"Hey there - any chance you can use Munich to hit Berlin? You could cut a support so that Russia and I could crush one of their units and press up to the German border more...",
"Sure, I will do that",
"I wasn't expecting Germany to throw their entire armed forces at just retaking Munich, but I'm kinda glad they did: they crumbled their entire defenses doing so. Might as well keep the fleet in Mar, it's possible with Italy's position we can even keep you alive in there!",
"Well I did my best here",
"Surviving a concerted 2:1 this long is no small feat! Wish I could’ve been able to help sooner. For what it’s worth I’m not attacking Italy for now so that they can continue to work together with you to hold E/G off",
"Thanks, I have tried my best to break that alliance but to no avail. I do understand that you as Austria and Italy won't be interested in fighting Germany in early game. No hard feelings against anyone, but I do feel like revenging on Germany or England in any way possible."
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"Hey Russia, would you be open to not moving an army north? I’m not interested in taking StP",
"Austria is pushing Italy to not do a lepanto but to go west. That might mean that Turkey is going north with Austria.",
"Thanks for the info! I trust that you don’t want to take StP, an army north could help me put you into Norway though",
"I’ll be ok in Norway without your army in StP. I view A Mos - StP in spring 1901 as a strong anti-England move and building F StP(nc) as equally anti-England",
"Are we still good up north? I’m not interested in fighting you right now, and would prefer to just use a fleet to capture Nrwy.\n\nCan you promise to not send Mos northward this turn?",
"Of course, I wasn't trying to be sneaky with my suggestion. I understand your concern and will not move StP North.",
"Have you ever considered letting Germany move into Swe and going south to the Baltic? It’s a gamble that could hurt/benefit either of you. Germany gets one center either way.",
"Can you offer France some advice under the guise of trying to keep him alive a little longer?",
"Just point out that England can force Belgium",
"Ha already on it XD. You and Germany planning on crushing him quickly?",
"I don’t think it’ll be quick by any means. I’m worried about Germany running away with it in ‘03 and want to make sure we grow at the same rate so that there isn’t another stab. I’m not a fan of chaotic variation in country strength",
"I even hate growing super fast because it puts a target on my back. I’m very much a slow and steady player (usually)",
"I tried to tip off France about Belgium for you 👌",
"Hey congrats on the two builds! What are your plans for the year? I imagine your more focused onm France rn, but was wondering if you had any plans to the north",
"Sorry. I didn’t see your message.",
"My builds are not north focused. I’m moving F Nrwy - NwgS to help you out.\n\nGermany is ordering A Hol - Kie, so I don’t think you’ll be able to push Mun or Ber. Your best bet might be to bounce him in Bal",
"Would you consider giving me Sweden instead of moving fleet out?",
"Unfortunately, I cannot support you against Germany at this time. France is teetering but not gone, and I do not have an army large enough to launch an invasion of Germany.\n\nI hope that sticking to my word in Norway and my forthrightness with intelligence will be enough to continue our amicable relationship?\n\nTurkey is trapped in the south with that odd A Smy build, but, on the plus side, that strategic limitation opens up a Russo Turkish alliance that is far less threatening than a normal juggernaut.\n\nMaybe you could offer Swe to Germany in exchange for you and I destroying one of his two fleets? I’d prefer to not offer the idea on my own. Also, if he does not pass it along to me, that will tell us both a great deal about his naval and northern ambitions.",
"Ok I understand, and yes I still consider us on good terms. How does the destroy German fleet trade work again?",
"Say that you can cede Swe but two German fleets on the Baltic represent ongoing threat to StP. You can ask him if he is open to destroying his second fleet in 1903.\n\nIf Germany is open to that, the only way I see it happening is if I support you into Swe in spring 1903, he destroys, and then I support him back into Swe in fall 1903.",
"Im assuming its an all out attack on france kind of turn?",
"Yes. You should consider doing something like self bouncing in Lithuania. Germany is coming for you.",
"You mean Livonia? Wait where am I getting attacked? Thanks for the heads-up I have some italian intelligence you may want.",
"I don’t know where he’s attacking you. Self bouncing up there delays his attack into StP.\n\nWhat’s the Italian intelligence",
"Not sure what the Italian is scheming. They told me they were going lepanto, but I haven't been negotiating with them much.",
"Sorry I failed to tip you off about Italy moving west, I second guessed telling you bc I wasn't sure it was accurate. Do you think that will be harmful to you? Or can you use the italians to help finish off france? It looks like you have Spain in the bag, but mar and par might be a little more challenging. What do you have planned for the fleet heading north?",
"The Italians can’t help me.\n\nIt is just sitting there. It’s meant to not threaten Swe and to hold Nth",
"What's the play in 1904? Are you threatening Denmark?",
"No, I’m just holding Nth.\n\nThank you for building on the south coast instead of the north. I request that you do not put an army in StP. I have stayed out of Norway because you have not put an army in StP or a fleet in StP(NC).\n\nI made a similar request to Germany last year. I asked that he take StP with a fleet instead of an army, and then warned you of an attack.",
"I used the wrong set of words. I meant securing Nth instead of holding it. I’m not currently planning on taking StP or supporting an attack there.\n\nMy apologies for using the wrong word. I know that there is a big difference between holding and securing.",
"Hey England, Want me to support you into Sweden this spring?",
"No thank you",
"Ok just let me know 👌",
"Are you too tied to Germany to betray them currently? I quit working with them after they invaded Lvn, and would much rather work with you",
"Congrats on getting Tun from the Italians. Do you think you will be able to hold it or are the italians and austrians working to jointly kick you out?",
"I want to believe you, but you’re working with Austria to cross the stalemate line. If I stabbed Germany, I’d be sealing my own fate. You’d be able to roll him up and I couldn’t hold you and Italy off.",
"If you take action in the spring to fight Austria, I’ll back you over Germany, but I need to see that you’re committed to breaking the stalemate line.",
"I’ve been honest with you and helped you all game.",
"That sucks.",
"I can’t believe Austria stabbed you",
"Ha fr dude, it looks like you are now working with Austria which seems like a pretty good play. If you stop attacking me to the north I will support you into sweden, and put up a stink against Austria to the south, which should prob give you chance of solo win",
"I’m not with Austria?",
"Ok well then I Would love to work with you and ask again for no attack on StP in exchange for Sweden",
"I am not going to advance beyond StP. If you lose Moscow to Austria, then Austria can’t be killed.\n\nI will try to get Germany on board as well"
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"Greetings Sultan!\n\nAs your neighbor I would like to propose an alliance! What are your views on the board so far?",
"I think an alliance would be great! Perhaps a dmz in the Black Sea would be a good idea to solidify this alliance?\n\nAs for my views on the board, my first moves will be Western into the Balkans and Mediterranean Sea.",
"Sounds good lets call a dmz in the black sea",
"What's our move this year?",
"I've been away from the game for a while",
"Not sure yet, what are your thoughts?",
"Well I'm pretty worried about Germany attacking me (and Austria to a lesser extent) so im headed west. It looks like Italy's landing a army in Syr this fall unless you can stop it",
"That sounds good to me. I'll move to defend against Italy while you move west. If it's not too much too ask, I'd like to request that you withdraw your fleet from bla.",
"Oh sorry missed the msg to move out of bl sea ill do that this turn. I did bring my army down into Armenia, To help you expel the Italian. It looks like Austria and Italy are working together. If we have a chance in the region you should probably use smy to protect con. We can't afford to lose con.",
"I'll defend con from both ank and smy.",
"Hey sorry for stabbing you earlier, it was an especially hard choice since Turkey is usually my country of choice. It's cool we got to do this study huh?"
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"Greetings My Good Frenchman! \n\nHow are your opening moves looking? I would love a solid Russo-French relationship so I’ll start off with some intel for you: Italy is headed west for you",
"Hi there,\n\nHow is that going to work? Austria vs turkey without Italy?",
"Ha I honestly don't know, just trying to tip you off",
"How'd the first turn go for you? I was hoping to make gains in Gal and BLA but was bounced out. Do you think E/G are working against you?",
"I have expected a bounce in Pie because you and another power told me so",
"Looks like a conspiracy here against me",
"Well if you makes it feel any better I think I might have been used as a pawn in that conspiracy, bc I was legitimately trying to protect you. I hope E/G don't have another country in their pocket, who else told you about Italy going west?",
"Just two of you. But their alliance will go for you after, as it is the most likely. Therefore I suggest we ally against Germany mostly",
"Yeah probably not a bad idea, we'll have to coordinate in the coming years",
"Any success switching England or Germany to your side",
"Nah, I am going to give some centers to england instead and hope i can survive",
"Well you can keep spain and mar, but you lose Paris sadly",
"Huh, never mind. Congrats on not losing Paris. What are your plans for next year, especially with Italy headed west?",
"My plans rely heavily on praying...",
"Keep on preying brother! For what its worth I doubt your dead this turn bc i bet you can get italy to protect you from england since thye dont want English controlled spain",
"That's what i did"
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"Hello France, world you like to discuss working together?",
"Hello there, I am interested, mostly in keeping the channel empty for now and we could work together later if this works. Can we agree not to move in the channel",
"Yes, that sounds great",
"I’m also willing to exchange not building F Yor for you not building F Bre at the end of 1901.",
"Sorry, F Liv",
"Yeah, that works for me",
"You might want to hit Pie. Austria and Italy keep talking about you being a threat for some unknown reason. Austria is really pushing for Italy to go west instead of to turkey.",
"Why would austria want italy move west?",
"I don’t know. I’m a little annoyed.",
"I told Italy about the Lepanto opening and am hoping that will solve Italy going west. Either way, I don’t see Italy and Austria being very strong long-term.",
"I guess we will see what happens",
"Is there any way of me actually ending this conflict?",
"Can we agree on peace? What are your demands?",
"Neutrality in exchange for current holdings, Spain, and Portugal. You can hold Paris and marseille with just armies of Italy backs off",
"Thats a bit too much, can I keep Spain and i help you get some german centers?",
"Any deals?"
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