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notice it's a public hearing but there's a but then there's a public meeting was before the multi plane a commission so we need to determine which of those you want do you want to be a public hearing where there has to be the thirty day notice of neighbors than five hundred feet that type of public hearing

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council meeting was that i guess there are some inserts and so the committee plan it has a new revisions in there chapters and one chapter on page sixty

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still going through the process ok so they are anticipating by the end of the september so what should happen if we make a recommendation that is inconsistent with what the planning committee is working on right now should they

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going to have that insert in there or not or if the numbers are going to change like civil said it might be december or longer that they adopt it so i would suggest that you discuss and deliberate on the resolution in front

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public hearing hopefully in september and they want to kind of wrap it up so december that they came up the new community plan great thank you very much so looking at the clock here we have

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come to a public testimony on this and you feel that you could add something if you testified before that's great we already have that we've considered it if you like to add something new and different that you haven't given us before that we'd like to hear that as well so we're going

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he used to work for n h l c he doesn't anymore but he has been retained and he is our attorney as a family and we won our case we were forced into a settlement and so now all the government

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agencies and us all have to deal with this in forstmann the good thing is you know when i put in there about fifty percent owner where eighty percent owner myself and my sister and ninety

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percent owner and one hundred percent owner on the rest of the lands we have plenty of descendants but the old folks funneled it down and for some reason maybe they wait for a child to be born that would come to and see it for what it is

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it's beautiful we're concerned about its changing but people by the mountains and the men no longer can go hunting when the shorelines and they don't know who they are i look and i can tell who's that boy that boy belongs to these people

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said as time goes on they'll be less places for us to be whole lying to be who we are to see our sights and this is why when we made our recommendations we said us bali no you know why you can go to

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europe you can go to any other country they value there they value their history so much it's a bit in practice you will see the people the people are the host the people take care now

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that's not what's happening here america has not been good to us and if we continue to think like americans and forget about being who we are here on it is unique like all the people talked about

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got really sick got canceled which was great for me but then this meeting got called and when i asked him are we going to affect each other because i don't want to get into another lawsuit i don't want these guys back here to get into a lawsuit i know that's why

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i said it so much burdens don't put the burden on the people it's not fair think about us we will live in a tent before we give up our lands we pay our taxes before we give up our lands if you don't pay

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taxes they will come armed i call that extortion you may own it our lands come from the king they really do and it's totally clear i'm proud to say that and we live on the beach i'm proud to say t

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and so from the mountain to the sea and we won our case law nikita it was against a private individual and the state of hawaii and the supreme court ruled we are dominant because they ruled on the constitution the

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awesome so of course we have a hard time in forcing something like that because nobody wants us hawaiians to be over the americans my god who could ever think such a thing to me this is a what this is not the

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united states it is not america it is what you this island is molokai when we came here i knew i was born to come here that's why i ended up with all the interest my great grandmother

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i was the last child she named and she was fighting for the lands and so i'm here and i believe that they live through us we have like i said i have a lot of grandchildren and old enough to have great grandchildren

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anyway i wanted to give wasn't sure if i should pass this on again to just let you folks know that we do plan to continue to intervene on seventeen dash seventy four because it will change our island and it's not ok

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change a lot of people would say that is a beautiful place let's keep it that way i'm sorry i have a really bad problem with you mr chairman because you are in conflict you are a developer and you are directly in front of us

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of your commissioners walked off that night that man wasn't punching his fists that man was trying not to cry i didn't look in his eyes but my husband did that man was crying and you thought and everybody thought he was being

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the last time this resolution was brought before the commission testifiers made it clear that a cap is desired one that is supported by community members of the twenty two thousand fires eight oppose the bill seven support an amendment to lessen the cap six ask for a temporary ban on the s t

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owner but detrimental to the neighbors to general general land use plan or to the community at large it's considered the antithesis of planning development since the proposed use is either inconsistent with the surrounding uses or does not conform to the

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changes the character of the neighborhood jeopardize their safety and infringe on their quality of life a cap cannot be accurately turman if we have no idea what the effect will be on working people the housing inventory residential communities and our hospitality industry county

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and resources including subsistence religious spiritual and ceremonial purposes in conclusion this commission should recommend an impact study before a cap is the term and support the efforts of stricter enforcement in the meantime council member help to include in this

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community understanding where they're coming from is going to be critical so what is happening in the one community right now is all of the lies that we were taught when we were going to school that this government

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place and in a few months whatever these hearings come up with which is actually the truth about whether or not this is america or whether this is the kingdom of hawaii and this is going to have a major impact but

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then you can begin to understand the frustrations that we have that we come here as a community and we say norm and you say yes and we come back and we say norm and then you say yes

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so that's where these cap numbers came from and i don't know how they relate or how relevant the are to the districts that they are applied to and so i think there needs to be a little bit more done on this

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on this resolution before anything is even done we're against the resolution or who is against the resolution we want we don't want nor not only caps we want it stopped and we want the permits that were given out and so

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place ok so there's a limited amount of economics for a limited amount of people you know so i don't think that this is good for the community right now we need to work on it we need to work on it if you want to come up with a resolution against what's

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evening thank you so we're at four thirty

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you just give us one moment please

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so please d for any further applications until this matter is settled as stated in our east end policy statement we need a community do not want any types of business concurring in our

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before i would prefer not to have any i live in a i may live in town where there may be illegal ones around i am a homeowner and i do not appreciate having people that i do not know i don't

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term renters they come in we don't know anything about them and i'm not quite sure but i'm assuming that it raises our our property taxes i know for sure it's taken

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a lot of homes that used to be rented to long term renters off the market so now there is a lot of people who are houseless and there are a lot of our young ones that cannot afford and they have qualified for

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section eight which for most parts they are forced to move up to mount a law and then when something does become available they can move down to town

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so our people the reason why we do not have a lot of what the cattle categorizes homeless but they're basically house less is because with the goodness of of the hearts of those who are

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ohana we take them in and we housed them so there's not a lot of them that would be normally on the streets and i would really encourage you guys to be our voice you guys are our voice and

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when we come up and we take the time in our day like it was mentioned earlier you know we would appreciate the meetings to be in the evening because right now it's summer so i'm a substitute teacher i can come

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but during the months when it is not summer months we are working when you guys are in session so we cannot come and speak in person so i really would like for you guys to be our voice and make us proud of your

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decisions so that when we do say no to something that you guys take into consideration why we say in order to it more deeply instead of just voting against us thank you

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discuss anything home another thing or another important thing that came out of that meeting was there are fifteen proposed or proposed proposal for

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plan it does not mesh with the policies that been written and sold by continuing to approve applications you guys are going directly against the word of the law that you're supposed to follow so to me i don't see how we can continue to move forward by

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get this issue resolved especially when you have conflict of interests on the board so i don't see how risk continue to operate so to me i think we're breaking some kind of law by just continue to operate when our presidents chairperson he's in conflict of interest

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or you guys just build houses and salamon rent them and stuff like that i mean because our community really concerned that this lifestyle has been there forever we're brought up that this is a little children were trying to teach our children and grandchildren these things and and

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welcome everyone like to call the august ninth two thousand and seventeen meeting of the planning commission to order president today we have

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three minutes and if you have not been able to conclude within that three minutes you'll have an additional thirty seconds if you're still not finished with your testimony will allow you to conclude your testimony after everyone else has testified with an additional two

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please remember that this is not the only time to provide testimony you may also testify on the individual agenda items as they come up and we would ask that if you have a specific agenda item you'd like to testify

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that you can wait for that agenda item and with that we will open up public testimony

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term rental home in the state agricultural district on approximately two point zero five eight acres of land located at six eighty st p m k for seven ten personal sixty three units one and

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applicant a short term home rental permit therefore that brings us to today because it's in the state district it's required that the applicant then file for a special permit and since this is under fifteen

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which this commission reviews this particular permit that being said the request is for the use of to do all ngs with a total of five bedrooms there is a main farm dwelling and then there is a two bedroom cottage

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they have paid the fines that were required from the department of planning and they also paid a considerably higher short term home rental application fee so they are in compliance with the provisions of

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so to be very clear what's before the commission today is only the state special use permit because we're located in the in the agricultural district and as kurt stated lonia poco is in the rural growth boundary although it

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because the short term rental home permit has met all of the criteria and specific to what kurt was talking about with respect to the amnesty program there is a provision in our short term rental home ordinance that

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says if you previously operated you cannot come forward to apply for a permit for a period of five years so you get banned for five years so when the council reviewed the the ordinance for a second time they came up with

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a program where if the person showed that they were paying proper g e t n t eighty taxes during the time that they previously operated if the applicant did not take a homeowner exemption if the applicant

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agreed to pay real property taxes at the rate that would have applied if they had a permit during the period that they operated without a permit which meant in nineteen in two thousand and thirteen that meant

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hotel rate taxes and then in two thousand and fourteen in two thousand and fifteen it meant commercial rate taxation and paid a higher application fee and made amends for any past transgressions that is

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paid any taxes and he finds that were issued then they restored their ability to make application in this applicant has met all those criteria to the tune of about twenty four thousand dollars in these these fees

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and fines and so forth in order to have his ability to come before you and we do have the tax clearances for for that here as well these states special use permit criteria is

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different then the criteria that that set up for a short term rental hold permit and i'm going to go through that criteria and how i believe we meet that in just a second but first i just want to point out that when

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this permit would be issued it would carry with the conditions from the short term rental home conditions and that these conditions are up here this isn't a complete list of them but the most important ones are up here which is

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be four yes because it's a two bedroom cottage all parking is required on site there's a rule of strict rule that there's no parties or group gatherings only registered guests are allowed on the property and that there's quite hours from

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agricultural district and basically they want to make sure the agricultural district is being used for agricultural uses here in maui county we ensure that through the use of a farm plant and the farm plan must show

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that at least fifty percent or a majority of the land is being used for agriculture this started in two thousand and four that's when the county started implementing this this requirement for farm

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plant many many properties thousands of properties were developed prior to two thousand and four and were built with no farm plans whatsoever then when someone wants to come forward to get a permit they have to establish a farm plan and have it inspected

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that's the eighty seven fruit bearing plants and you can see from from this picture that the majority of this lot is being used for agricultural use there's a few more pictures here of the orchard specifically and yes it's a very statically

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here it's always just one party and they're typically staying for a week or more when they come in there's not an in and out there's there are no commercial activities that go along with this so it is defined as a residential use in your

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they and they they speak to the character of the of the applicant there's three other letters that are in the neighborhood from folks in the neighborhood as well couple blocks away and three blocks away and i think one of the writers one of those letters is here to give testimony as well

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ok so the third special use criteria is that the proposed use will not unreasonably burden public agencies to provide roads streets water drainage school improvement improvements police and fire

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protection and we have enough a lot of short term rentals operating today and we really have no evidence that any of them have caused a greater need for any of these services in fact we do have to recognize that there are times

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when short term rentals have no one in the place is vacant and therefore there's no no need for most of these services in this particular case there's been no reports of police calls to this

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code in two thousand and eight and again in two thousand and twelve to recognize the changing travel demands of visitors to maui and created the bed and breakfast in short term rental home ordinances to address this however the rules of the

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slope that's so severe that it couldn't be legitimately used for agricultural uses in this case the applicant makes no claim that the land is unsuited for uses in the district in fact he points out that he is

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using it for agriculture has a one acre fruit orchard but is notable that it took quite a bit of effort to create that orchard it wasn't a matter that this was level ground that was fertile soil that he was able to put the trees in the

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they do have to continue that and every time the permit gets renewed they have to show the planning department that they are continuing their agricultural uses so this is one way where this permit helps ensure that we are furthering the agriculture in the

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agricultural district notice of application as curt said was sent out to the thirty six property owners within five hundred feet and during the forty five day notice period no objections were received a notice sign was placed in front of the property during that

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notice period also during that notice period the applicants invited neighbors to an open house at their property they sent out the invitation that you see on the right to all their neighbors within five hundred feet and about a dozen of their neighbors

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that come and they told them what they were intending to do here and they got a lot of support from their neighbors and finally notice of this public hearing was sent to the adjacent neighbors which is the requirement for the special use permits and was published in the

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maui news on july third in the area there are some other short term rental uses that have been permitted there is one permit is bed and breakfast that is nearby it's not within five hundred feet but it's nearby in this particular

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neighborhood and there are three other short term rental homes with state state special use permits that were granted by this commission and for reference this particular neighborhood this part of of lonnie poco is approximately one hundred

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demonstrated preproduction i do want to point out that there was a facebook post made and the property was identified in that facebook post as this property and it was not and i

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recognise that in there are many properties up there that aren't complying with the agricultural groups i think that we can see that this property is one that is complying with with the agricultural rules and i hope that th

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particular hearing doesn't turn into a referendum either on the agricultural rules or agricultural subdivision or whether we should have short term rentals there but rather just on this applicant's application for this

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and you know things like that and and that's what made me really when i went to rent cars or really made me become passionate about getting places i mean we could rent cars probably three four five times more in short term rentals but if i felt just my obligation to the

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resident of the community i would like to have the right to stay in this community as is designated i think we should worry about our people more so i'm going to use a term i hear constantly in our paper about california people making rich people richer thank you

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know i know

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educating myself with sale of land not to our people but to people who come to visit and turn it into a vacation rental spot troubles me to know and you know it's

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always nice to put up our point and to show what you're doing i caught the point where they offer fruit to a tour group i mean you're offering it to tourists not to your

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residence and not to people but this bothers me and i'm sorry that i don't live in that area where i can visually see what's going on like she just testified but the whole point

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my name is don couch i'm speaking on behalf of myself just to remind you guys i served as chair of the county council planning committee when the short term rental ordinance which is

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county code one thousand point six five was originally established and again two years later when it was amended the council intended for this permit to help better regulate and control short term mental uses heard about illegal uses and

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to legally allow such uses we had all hoped that the property owners who wish to make use of these permitting process would do so not a lot now you heard about this

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gave the people who were not in compliance one more chance to come into compliance and we were hoping everybody would do that that's generally what the planning department does if they find violators they want them to come into compliance that's what we

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tried to do here these folks i'm not saying whether or not apparently this is the first one of the ones that came into compliance that have to come before you the issue here though is a special use permit which