Robot Artists Should not be a thing.

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by Loonard - opened

Robot Artists should not be a thing. We as a society should not create machines that create art. Art is a form of human expression, cultural driver and communication medium. These things are alien to machine, as it does not feel, does not truly express anything. The only thing we as a species will achieve by building AI capable of art is devaluation of human produced art. In a capitalist society, that favors quantity and production speeds, AI will vastly outperform any human artist removing them from market and driving artists into a niche. Do Not Let Robots Draw

Bruh just let people have fun man

Before, art was a privilege for just a few that had the years to invest in advanced skill, or the money to pay for someone to to it for them. Now it is within the reach of everybody. It is surely a great thing. I am not taking the job of anyone by using dall-e to generate images, because I could never afford to hire an artist to do them in the first place.

You're right. Thank goodness for all of us it's an AI model rather than a robot.

During my studies at uni, I wrote my final paper on the future AI has for art. And I disagree with the idea that AI could harm the industry. Ultimately, I see DALL-E as a tool, something that can be used by artists to help their work.

The basis for this idea comes from "Advanced Chess". The idea is that its a modified chess AI, where human players work alongside the AI to direct it (imagine how you override a GPS route), and it was found the Human+AI players outperformed a 100% AI player. The fear after the AI "Deep Blue", won the chess tournament against Kasparov, that chess as a game was likely to die, as humans were now obsolete. Looking back to 1996, its clear that fear was pretty silly.

With these artistic AIs, the same fears have emerged. But if you treat something like DALL-E the same way Advanced Chess is, then a Human+AI artist should let them get extremely good results for their own work.

But imagine you take DALL-E, give it the EXACT idea you have in mind and it makes those ideas for you, actually showing you a basic idea on what your goal artwork could look like. Or you might be stuck for ideas and could use DALL-E to help you come up with interesting things. If you treat DALL-E as a tool to be part of a new artistic process, helping you transform a rough idea into something you can actually see, you instantly bypass possibly hours of trying to come up with concept art. You take this small, weirdly detailed very rough image, and use it as the foundation for a real piece of art. Actually having a tool that can show you what your idea could look like before you even created it is a huge deal.

Imagine a character artist using DALL-E to generate a range of character images. They find one that looks good, sketch over it and build up actual form. Touching up and filling in any empty details, using photo reference to create an actual body of work. DALL-E helped them visualise exactly what they want to see, allowing them to make the exact bit of art that they want.

The main requirement here is that the user has actual artistic skill. If somebody lacks skill, they wont ever be able to do anything with the results. Its not hard to imagine a non-artist being inspired by what they see and leading to them deciding to become an artist to help adapt what DALL-E makes into real bodies of art. Creating art is all about taking inspiration from as many sources as you can find, and something that can give specific results, ones that fit what an artist needs exactly how they need it, in my mind, can only be seen as a benefit to them. They now have a tool that lets them specifically choose what reference material they want to see, something that can show them what they want to actually create.

DALL-E is like a chess AI.
The AI by itself is good at what it can do, against a novice it might out perform them, but struggle against somebody highly skilled. But mix in a human element, one that can define exactly what the AI should do and the new fusion of the two would be better than the AI itself. Art has an added layer, where it's down to the user to take what the AI gives them and expand on it externally.

The human element in terms of the quality of work, is determined both by their knowledge of directing the AI to make what they want, but then having the skill to actually produce work, taking what the AI gives them entirely as a base. If you use it, use it as part of your creative process, something that can aid your creativity and help you create art thats exactly how you imagine it to be. And lets hope that in 30 years we look back at the current fears in the same way we can look back at Deep Blue and chuckle at the idea that an AI chess player could kill chess.

DALL-E is like a chess AI.
The AI by itself is good at what it can do, against a novice it might out perform them, but struggle against somebody highly skilled. But mix in a human element, one that can define exactly what the AI should do and the new fusion of the two would be better than the AI itself. Art has an added layer, where it's down to the user to take what the AI gives them and expand on it externally.

The idea that a human could ever beat a chess AI is laughable. What you're referring to are Centaur teams (half human, half AI just as the centaur is half human, half horse), and they haven't been relevant for decades. Chess is a pseudo-solved game, meaning that while it technically isn't solved, AI has progressed to the point that it can ensure either a win or draw given the opening move 99% of the time (solved would be 100% of the time, such as for example tic-tac-toe when given the opening move. The reason chess is not solved is due to the incalculably large number of valid board states. It would take thousands of years to calculate every possible sequence of board states with conventional computing. If we somehow performed this computation, then chess is theoretically solvable since there are a finite number of these sequences). This is assuming castling is not allowed, since that results in draws 100% of the time.

AI art will eventually replace human art, just like it has replaced humans in chess. That said, this isn't a bad thing. Automating human tasks is never a bad thing. If the human labor is unnecessary, then the human time spent on that labor is wasted. Ultimately, this technology replaces human labor, which grants humans the gift of time.

The fear has sometimes been expressed that photography would in time entirely supersede the art of painting. Some people seem to think that when the process of taking photographs in colors has been perfected and made common enough, the painter will have nothing more to do.

didn't ask

brb, creating "Final Fantasy characters in NYC" art

Like 3D printed guns, whether it should or shouldn't exist is irrelevant. The fact is that it does. You can stubbornly kick and scream as the world moves forward without you or you can embrace the new reality you exist in and alter your mindset accordingly. The cat is out of the bag and its not going back in.

you're part of the problem. Get a life.

cope snowflake

In a capitalist society, that favors quantity and production speeds, AI will vastly outperform any human artist removing them from market and driving artists into a niche.

Your point of view is correct, but the value judgement you're attaching is an exercise in futility. The Information Age is sunsetting, it has given birth to its greatest achievement: the Artificial Age is now dawning. This next Age is going to eclipse your current ideas about what a "capitalist society" even is. Literally everyone's career is 100% at-risk, and there is no safe place to hide from it.

The question is not whether you "should" be replaced, or whether you will be replaced, the only question is how are you preparing for the inevitible.

mate, ai art isn't subject to copyright

it aint that big of a deal 👽
i'm an artist and i think its rlly cool

Loonard coping. get some bing chilling.

It's hubris to expect humans are the sole proprietors of creative thought. Should Suda, the elephant be forced into a zoo paddock and denied the right to paint because you believe elephants are zoo animals? How about John Bramblit? He's blind, so he never witnesses the art he paints. Is he unable to meet your aesthetic requirements? Leave AI its place. It is an abstract representation of our creative initiatives. Last I recall, we call that art.

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