User1: User2 heyyyyy
User2: User1 Hoooooo! *thunder cats*
User1: User2 FalseProphet on Freenode is such a twat
User2: User1 hmm?
User2: User1 who? lol
User1: User2 Some stupid kiddie
User2: User1 lol
User1: User2 Ever been to #teensonlinx or ##teenlinux ?
User2: nope
User1: User2 I'm eating so many bananas
User1: User2 Bananas are a good source of fibre :)
User1: High in fibre, including bananas in the diet can help restore normal bowel action
User1: , helping to overcome the problem without resorting to laxatives.
User2: User1 like I keep saying, make sure to drink plenty to go with that though
User1: User2 I'm drinking a pint of milk :)
User2: too much fibre, little water = constipation, cos the fibre absorbs the water
User2: or at least attracts them
User1: I never drink water, but I drink milk.
User1: User2 I won't be able to buy milk today because the supermarkets will be closed by the time I wake up. :(
User3: maybe you are lactose intolerant. did you consider that?
User1: User3 I considered it
User1: User3 But surely I'd know if I was?
User1: User3 And I think my constipation started before I started drinking milk.
User1: User2 night xx
User4: aloha
User5: coffee brewing - tv on RWC1 (known to  some as itv1)
User6: morn all
User6: anyone awake lol
User7: good morning everyone,
User5: \o
User7: o/
User8: \o
User8: F1 this afternoon \o/
User5: yeah!
User8: that should make the gym easier to cope with ;)
User7: hmmm.
User9: gym? What's one of those?
User8: User9 that's the place where I compensate for sitting at the computer all day
User9: ;)
User9: Oh. I didn't know I had to compensate. *hides chocolate brownie crumbs*
User4: morning
User9: morning
User9: So, my attempt at running a new LUG on the Isle of Man isn't too successful so far. Still, the cakes and tea here are nice!
User8: User9 too bad you have to buy them yourself every time?
User9: It's our first ever event. I appear to be the only attendee :)
User9: Gotta start somewhere though
User8: out of how many on the island? :)
User9: And my Ubuntu netbook, combined with wifi tethering courtesy of android is helping...
User9: population of about 80,000
User8: ah, as big as the town I live in then :)
User8: except larger (so less population density)
User9: Quite a few 'techie' types on Twitter. Many using linux of one sort or another. I thought we needed a LUG. After all, this is where Mr S lives! :)
User5: isleofmandan, he *still* lives there?... & can't attend?
User4: he's a busy man
User5: [boo hiss]
User4: just because he lives there doesnt mean he *has* to attend either lads
User5: ...thought he had cronies to his busy for him these days
User5: ;)
User9: I got a nice email saying he'd love to come, but his secretary told him he wouldn't be able to make it. Busy chap.
User9: He wants to stay in the loop. Quite nice really.
User4: User9 it's his PA not his secretary :)
User10: And Ubuntu/Canonical is not the only things he does :)
User9: :)
User10: s/is/are
 * suprengr hums "I'm a spaceman"
User9: To be clear, I know he's very busy. I wasn't demaning he come or anything. In fact, I was genuinely surprised he took the time to mail me.
User9: And anyway, given I appear to be the only member of IoMLUG at the moment, it would've been really embarrassing! :)
User9: Think I'll try a pub meet next time. See who I can drag out.
User11: Agile development : comments on it? I have an interview on Tuesday where I have to present about it and I'll shamelessly milk your sage opinions if you present them :-)
User11: Currently I'm going with "KanbanScrumKeeper", a new methodology I'm making up as I go along that incorporates Kanban, Scrum, and the gatekeeper workflow used by Bazaar / Linux etc
 * penguin42 hasn't done much of it - but in some places it's got a really bad name
User11: Apparently we've decided it's a good idea since I get the idea that the interview is essentially a competition to see who's AgileMojo is strongest
User11: We've been using scrum, and it's not been that bad for us, considering the impediment of the actual work that's being done and the dedicated resistance to appropriate levels of participation by the stakeholders (especially the customer)
User12: User11 So the challenge for some people is being convincing that you can actually make progress and have some idea of where you're going to be in say 6 months time
User11: Hooray! This is already a useful discussion thinking up stuff I had not thought of.. I don't think it's so hard to say that you can make progress, but I would probably agree about the "where are we in 6 months" bit... on the other hand, I don't think planned development has any miraculous ability to ensure that you are where you planned to be - but it's good at saying "we plan to be here"
User12: yeh
User12: damn peers
User11: All things being equal (agile and planned having the same development speed), you'd end up in the same place anyway. But the point being that planned is not good at accounting for changes in direction, and might actually take you to a place you didn't want to be (in hindsight)
User13: Hi all..
User12: User11 So I think the problem you can get with agile is that at the end of one month/sprint/thingy you don't get a bunch of stuff done, but then what happens when that particular task doesn't get done in a few sprints? Will it ever happen - is it actually late?
User11: penguin42, I can definitely relate to that  - we've had a number of tasks that just don't seem to fit into one sprint. And the big problem with these (and anything that doesn't result in user-facing features) is that you don't get any perception of progress.
User11: Even if you break them up into smaller chunks, it still doesn't look like progress to complete those chunks to the user level of things
User13: Umm - however, if there's an annoying bug that isn't there any more - it *does8 appear as less annnoying..
User12: User11 Yeh, especially if you have another team waiting for it
User11: The worst part was that the (third party) data storage layer was so horrible to work with that it took several sprints to even get to the point where you could load some data to show in the UI. We eventually just went with a prototype backend that used the XML files we were importing the data from.
User11: And that got used as the production backend because the storage thing had some nasty concurrency issues
User13: ..
User5: Sunday bliss is... F1 live on TV, F1 live driver cam on pooter, F1 live timings on netbook perched on TV ;)
User5: ...& a bottle of beer :O
User13: Avoiding News 24 coverage then?
User5: was up at 5am - did my condolences then
User7: if i ssh tunnel from my phone, to my vps, is there anything other than ssh, i need to configure on the vps end?
User8: no
User7: ok, thank you, let me try.
User8: maybe an outgoing firewall (if you set up iptables blocking of outgoing connections)
User7: User8 how would i check that?
User5: Guest73624 is now known as a pain in the whotsits
User8: User7 can you connect to the internet from your VPS? Then you don't have to do anything :)
User8: User7 (i.e. wget/w3m/etc.)
User7: User8 i am using irssi, from my vps and bitlbee.
User8: sounds ok then.. you tend to know when you set up a firewall of outgoing connections :)
User7: User8 i set it up with ufw, and i dont remeber doing so.
User14: User5 agreed
User7: now to work out, how i can check, it is working properly. traceroute i think, to see if http is going over my vps.
User8: User7 open a page hosted on your vps, then check the source ip in the access log
User8: User7 if it's your VPS ip, it's OK
User8: if it's not, it's not :)
User7: User8 ah, good thinking, :)
User7: nope, apache's access.log. says it is coming from a different ip, than my vps's.
User5: AlanBell, thanks ;)
User7: hmmm,
User15: afternoon
User16: How can i enhance visual effects in ubuntu 11.04
User17: LO
User17: Urgh
User17: Lo
User18: suppose i am running a test website in a vm on my laptop
User18: and i want to see what said website looks like on my (android) phone
User18: how could i make it so that i can put something into my phone that routes to the vm?
User12: User18 Can you get from your wifi to your vm?
User19: if you have a web server on the laptop, you could do something like Apache's mod_proxy to proxy it to the VM
User19: (I do this a lot)
User18: User12 no, this is the thing i want to make possible :)
User19: it's either that or use iptables to forward your port of choice to the VM
User12: User18 Can you get from your wifi to your host machine?
User18: User12 yes
User12: User18 OK, so on your host you can do a port forward using ssh (or as mgdm says iptables) - I'd use ssh -L
User12: User18 Can you ssh from your host to your vm ?
User18: i might try yes
User18: yes
User18: even
User18: ok that works
User18: i will return to this after "lunch"
User18: just need to make wordpress not be annoying now
User20: 1119397
 * penguin42 looks at rml_home
 * AlanBell sees MooDoo sproglette pictures
User4: aye
User4: on saturdaydat he had a girl
User14: yup
User18: hrm
User18: still can't appear to get anything to work
User14: User18 using virtualbox?
User18: User14 virt-manager/kvm
User14: ah, so lots of bridge stuff then
User14: so you want the guest to pick up a real IP address from the LAN I guess
User18: ah that could work too
User14: which can be non-trivial on wifi
User18: probably simpler than trying to forward stuff through the host
User18: ...or not
User14: is the host connected via ethernet or wifi?
User18: wifi
User18: i could probably dig out an ethernet cable if required
User14: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/kvm-wireless-bridge-network-691953/#post3404388
User18: oooo
User14: I don't know if KVM can do wifi bridged now
User14: virtualbox can
User18: not sure how much of a wifi stack is on the guest
User18: though i suppose there is nothing to stop me
User18: tbh not sure if it is worth that much effort
User18: might just go play minecraft
User14: the guest doesn't see it as wifi
User18: ah handy
User21: User18 ncat as http proxy?
User19: nyancat?
 * mgdm runs
User18: User21 didn't know  you were in here :)
User18: also didn't know ncat could do that
User18: though i suppose it makes sense
User22: evening all!
User4: User22 ALOHA!
User22: User4 son number 1 first outing at miny rubgy today :D
User22: s/miny/mini
User4: User22 awwww yay
User22: he loved it
User4: good stuff
User4: caught any of the games?
User22: on the way home he said "Daddy, let's make a fox scarer with water and your gadgets"
User22: User4 bits and pieces of games - weekends == me as taxi driver
User22: User4 but some good games - have recorded a few and will watch tonight
User4: User22 cool
User23: hey guys and gals
User23: any chance someone could help me, if I print a string from beautifulsoup it returns it as unicode.. (i.e. [u'This is the text'])
User23: how can I remove the [u''] bit?
User23: (python)
User24: ?
User4: User24 tis sunday evening
User4: rarely anyone around at this hour
User25: all busy playing minecraft :D
User4: or catching up on rugby
User4: I got a mail from SABDFL after my blog post the other day
User4: amusing to say the least
User24: ah, sorry guys
User26: User24 erm, why do you care that it's unicode encoded?
User26: the u and quotes shouldn't show up when you print it
User26: laney@iota> python -c "print u'hello'"                                                                                                     ~
User26: hello
User26: now: pubpubpubpubpubpubpub
User27: User25 O.o, are you playing 1.8-pre?
User11: Oh darn, why'd you mention Minecraft just as I have to do this presentation......
User11: "Er, so, like, Agile development means you have to ... keep the exploding cacti away from your pigs.... and chickens?"
User11: Actually... Minecraft goes on about agile on it's "about" page, sweet
User25: User27 yes
User27: Is it any good?
User25: it has bugs
User25: but yeah, it has some nice stuff
User11: Chicken!
User11: He talks about agile in the about page but only NOW do we have pigs AND chickens
User11: http://www.implementingscrum.com/2006/09/11/the-classic-story-of-the-pig-and-chicken/
User28: i'm about to enable ufw on a server via ssh, does ufw permit SSH by default?
User28: because if it doesn't i'm screwed after i enable it
User29: User28 no, it doesn't. Set up your ssh rule before anbling
User29: *enabling
User28: funkyHat, ok, thanks. reading a manual now.
User28: i've run ufw allow ssh
User28: is that sufficient to start with?
User29: User28 should be yes
User28: ok, fingers crossed :)
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