User1: User29 ;-) I need something for stock kde3 (powermanager info/warn notification)
User2: gahahaha
User2: User3 no pr0n as i kick back and view photos either :)
User3: just my dirty mind i guess :)
User2: it took a second to grasp that though when you said it
User2: first time was a flyby, the second time around it landed
User4: heh :)
User5: User2 can you remove the kubuntu meeting for tomorrow from the fridge?
User2: heh ya
User2: there is no meeting for tomorrow that i can see
User3: its a 22 hour meeting starting today
User5: User3 ah, so its a bug
User3: yeah sounds like start time and duration are confusing ;)
User5: yes, both have id 703
User5: nevermind then
User2: User12 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/78376
User6: Malone bug 78376 in ubiquity "Kubuntu Feisty daily-live Ubiquity Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
User2: will pop you and email now
* sebas sees big commits from Lure coming by.
User2: sent
User1: User7 and yesterday too ;-)
User1: User7 want to finish this off, so that we can push package tommorow morning
User7: User1 Depending on timezones, yes :)
User7: User1 I can test-run tomorrow morning (now + 9 hrs or so)
User7: Should be in time for the freeze
User1: User7 please do - any feedback would be good
User7: Sure
User8: User4 I'll help you any way I can. If you want to help me and make a HOWTO for that, even better :o)
User9: User4 we'll move it here. as I said, it's just about adding a menu entry. should be simple.
User4: User8 heh maybe next time. I just removed vmware :)
User8: User4 aww
User9: qemu :)
User8: I've noticed some people had comments about the Polyester look. It would be great if you either added them to a wiki page (like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork/PolyesterThemeIssues ) or emailed them to me. Thanks.
User3: User5 the problem for me was that it was entirely random whether it worked for me or not, i had 2 machine with identical packages yet only one worked
User5: User3 ok, i can ask if there are plans to make it easier for the future
User9: nite.
User4: g'night for those going to bed! :)
User3: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :)
* nixternal prepares for a night of hacking
User4: go nixternal!! :)
User10: is there any tool I can use to figure out the version of linux from a vmlinuz file?
* jdong_ just noticed his HDTV's firmware is a vmlinuz,ext2 root, and initrd :D
User4: version of the kernel?
User10: right
User4: shouldn't it be saying something like vmlinuz-<kernel.version.here>?
User10: mfr's site doesn't have any firmware I could find though :( I e-mailed tech support a sec ago asking for it
User10: Jucato, no, it's renamed
User4: User10 oh...
User10: Jucato, it's a_335_spa.img, olevia.kgz, pm_a10.bin
User4: O.o
User10: root, initrd, vmliinuz in that order
User10: I went through pm_a10.bin with strings
User10: and it's obviously linux
User4: I guess you can't do uname -r there :P
User1: User11 I though I would package guidance tonight, but I am too tired
User11: User1 okay no problem, I'm just working on kdebluetooth
User1: User11 if you have time/energy I would like to see it in Herd2 (freeze tommorow)
User10: Jucato, I can probably get farther by unzipping the root fs image :)
User4: :)
User11: User1 can I sync from svn ?
User10: Jucato, /lib/modules should have the kernel name :)
User1: User11 package just need to change to package all icons/*.png
User1: User11 yes, just take the latest from svn
User11: okay will do in a moment :)
User11: User12 ping ?
User1: User11 just do not forget to pick up all icons and not just battery*.png as we do currently
User1: ok, nite all
User11: User1 sure
User11: good nite
User10: Jucato, ATI chipsest, MIPS32 :D
User4: heh :)
User12: User11 hi
User7: User1 Things seem to work here
User11: User12 can you watch /usr/share/applnk/Utilities/dunhandler.desktop and confirm me the issue at the last line ?
User11: I have an issue patching this
User13: meeting ended yet?
User8: User13 yes
User13: right
User8: User13 you okay?
* Hobbsee wonders if she passed out....
User11: User12 the problem is that dunhaldner.desktop lacks final new line but if I patch this, I get french text in the diff.....
User11: I think that can cause an issue but I'm unsure
User4: hi Hobbsee! hope you're feeling better
User13: User8 not really
User13: a little
User8: User13 aww
* Hobbsee wanders off again
User8: User13 what are you doing here then? .o)
User8: User13 that's it
User13: i stayed sign in
User13: er, signe
User13: d
User8: User13 see you later
User4: take a rest :)
User8: yes
User12: User11 X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-pim_kdebluetooth
User12: User11 that's a general issue with extragear apps that I need to talk to carlos about
User11: User12 Hidden=trueX-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-pim_kdebluetooth
User11: this is what I have
User12: User11 hmm, I don't have that
User11: hum......... are you up to date ?
User12: nope
User11: User12 yeah but I didn't touch the package for a while now.....
User11: can someone else paste his final line on feisty please ?
User11: User12 the issue is that if I patch it I get a french "no end line at end of file" in the diff......... that's problematic
User12: User11 export LANG+C
User12: User11 export LANG=C
User11: User12 testing this
User14: User12 hmm... looks like I missed my item... oh well, I got food instead... next meeting?
User12: User14 sure
User12: User7 please sign the CoC on launchpad and sign yourself up to kubuntu-members
User14: User12 hmm... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh#head-cfcadec9d857e81f7b76e60c8ab5dfe01e0a5e24 was basicly what I wanted to talk about... have a Kubuntu-QA team, that could work with the Testing team... I can make a wiki elaborating the idea if you want :)
User15: WEAK!
User11: User14 are you using feisty ?
User11: or manchicken ?
User15: pyuic doesn't support Qt4 designer!!!!
User7: User12 Just done that
User14: User11 no.. wondering when I should upgrade... I'll probably upgrade with Herd 2...
User15: I'm using feisty in chroot.
User7: User15 pyuic4 does, IIRC.
User15: What package is pyuic4 in?
User15: Or is that not a feisty package?
User14: User11 why?
User11: User14 needed confirmation on a bug
User7: pyqt4-dev-tools
User15: Very nice.
User14: User11 ah, kk, sorry
User11: User14 no pb :)
* manchicken really want emacs w/fuzzy-fonts...
User11: User12 I'm packaging guidance
User14: User35 sorry, lost the link to the opera .deb, mind resending it to me?
User12: User15 you need pyuic4
User12: User11 have you checked with Lure it's a good time for that?
User15: Got it.
User15: I really don't want to have to hand-recreate all of this UI.  heh.
User11: User12 yeah he asked me to do it before herd2
User12: cool
User11: kdebluetooth fixed... dunhandler path was invalid too, should work now
User11: then I have to fix katalog, and gtk-qt-engine
User11: User12 I noticed gtk-qt-engine package doesn't have dpatch rules....
User11: User12 should I consider switch back to cdbs for simple-patchsys or do you want to use something close to the debian packaging system ?
User11: I vote for cdbs :)
User11: debian packaging "structure", sorry
User7: Speaking of kbluetooth, it has the wrong presets for /etc/init.d/bluetooth start|stop
User7: Good: /etc/init.d/bluetooth start|stop
User7: Bad: /etc/init.d/bluez-utils start|stop
User12: User11 I like cdbs simple-patchsys bestest
User11: User12 okay let's divert from debian again :)
User16: User7 in debian one beter uses invoke-rc.d bluetooth start|stop
User12: User11 what does debian use?
User12: User11 why do we need to patch?
User11: User12 pure debhelper packaging without any patching system in use...
User7: User16 kbluetooth wants to know that anyway
User11: User12 we patch for the icons, and I also need to hide the kcm desktop file in kmenu
* allee ponders to plans to try quilt instead of simple patchsys 'cause it allows to pusd/pop/test/remove patches
User15: Okay, I'm gonna take off for now.
User14: see yah manchicken
User14: User16 does cdbs' patch system let you do that?
User16: User14 no, not conviniently
User14: hmm
User14: is the kubuntu cloak kubuntu/members? or ubuntu/members?
User12: there isn't a kubuntu cloak
User12: just ubuntu
User17: Can someone that was at the meeting tonight login to gobby and summarize the meeting for the UWN?
User2: how much money do you have?
User17: Umm... I got cookies. :)
User2: im on a diet
User2: ;p
User2: if someone doesn't step up in the next few minutes i will take care of it
User14: oooh, cookies... what kind?
User4: User2 Customizing Kubuntu desktop wiki is up: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
User2: User14 the kind you like :)
User2: rockin' Jucato!
User17: Thats right :)
User14: User17 hmm... how long till the get here?
User14: User17 I would, but I have no clue about gobby, and I was only there for half of the meeting... sorry
User2: he will overnight them just as soon as you finish the gobby write up :)
User14: next time :)
User2: argh :)
User14: sorry nixternal, I knew you really really really wanted to summarize it, so I decided to leave it for you :)
User2: haha thanks
User4: User2 rppppoek doesn't seem to setup PPPoE connections. it's only a systray app to connect/disconnect/get the IP
User2: shouldn't be all that difficult to make it set them up though
User4: meaning, modify the code? create a GUI to setup PPPoE?
User2: sure :)
User4: heh :)
User2: i have a brand new Qt4 design book as well ;p
User4: wth?!! which one?
User2: c++ gui programming with qt4
User2: there is another one as well that I am going to order
User4: aw... :(
User4: Design Patterns in C++ using Qt 4?
User13: whee, back again
User2: ya, that is the one im going to order, blue cover?
User2: hiya Hobbsee
User4: yep
User4: wb Hobbsee!
User13: heya
User4: feeling better?
User13: yeah
User13: shaking - but not twitching
User14: hey Hobbsee
User4: User2 you ordered it online? how much did it cost? (wanna ask my relatives to buy one for me...)
* Hobbsee waves
User13: heya
* Hobbsee back a bit later
User2: less than $40
User2: USD
User4: yeah, they're in the US :)
User4: NY to be exact
* Jucato wonders if danimo's book will ever be translated to English, making that 3 Qt 4 books available
User2: did he do the German one?
User4: yeah
User2: ya i seen that one on amazon as well, it is in my 'wish list' somehow
User4: heh... if you can read german :D
User2: heh, i can hardly read english ;)
User4: lol
User4: btw, ordered it through amazon?
User4: User2 while waiting for the other book, you might find this interesting: http://cartan.cas.suffolk.edu/moin/OopDocbookWiki
User14: anybody have a link to kubuntu posters/pamphlets/promo stuff? all I've found is ubuntu stuff...
User2: nice
User2: User14 and thats all you will find
User14: drats
User2: i think the only K ones I have seen was one I did which was remmoved and I think one raphink did as well
User2: ermm, presentations
* ryanakca wonders if kwiii will ever make one...
User14: I would make one... but it would probably scare people away from it rather than attracting people to it
User4: heh :)
User2: User14 get your blog on the planet, blog about it, and you will be amazed by how many people respond to it
User2: i have been getting more and more emails each day from people (most of them bashing beryl and automatix)
User2: i have started an anti-beryl and anti-automatix following
* Jucato always reads the planet... but doesn't comment... :O
User2: i try to comment on some blogs
User14: User2 I don't have a blog... used to...
User4: I don't feel worthy :)
User14: User2 but I only wrote stuff in it every 2-3 weeks, and even then it wasn't really interesting...
* Jucato takes a very short nap...
User2: hahaha, my dad seen a commercial that has that old 80's song which i don't know the words (rock the cash box) or something
User2: but he says rock the cat box
User2: i hate having a big screen tv, he comes over all the time and watches my tv
User14: lol
User14: how far away does he live?
User2: i live in their house, just have my own section
User14: couple blocks?
User14: ah
User2: ya
User14: meh, I guess you don't get lonely :P
User2: i had to move back for a little while so i could finish school with my military benefits before they ran out
User14: ah
User2: nah, plus i walk through the garage to get there for some dinner :)
User14: lol
User14: that's a plus
User2: ya, my little corner is setup like a flat
* ryanakca wonders what he'll do with the 50 or so cds he has laying around... hmm...
User14: I have Debian 3.0, gparted, Mandriva 2006, Red Hat 9, FC1, RH 6.0, Debian 2.0, hmm... knoppix, FC4, CentOS 4.0, Lindows (ick), puppy linux, freebsd 6.1 or 6.0...2 shipit cds left...
User6: Mandriva bug 2006 in Installation "Can't scroll properly in flat mode." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2006
User14: wow, it gets mandriva bugs too?
User13: Uptime: 3 hours and 45 minutes
User13: impressive :)
User14: lol
User2: interesting, the house on google maps must be old, it doesn't have the new portion, nor the pool, and has the old shed & walkway
User14: Uptime: 2 days, 4 hours and 7 minutes
User2: 19:42:52 up 5 days, 25 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
User14: lol
User2: dude it was 4 months until my dog unplugged it
User14: Fedora Core bug 200, and sorry for abusing the bug bot :)
User6: Malone bug 200 in baz ""baz export" exports to the wrong directory with pathnames consisting of multiple components" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/200
User14: lol
User14: guess not
User14: probably if I removed bug... but doesn't matter
User14: User2 I still don't know what the point of uptime is...
User2: that is why i use boog instead :)
User2: heh, irssi sysinfo command has a vpenis score and i have no clue wth that is
User2: Host 'heavymetal', running Linux 2.6.17-10-server - Cpu0: Pentium III 797 MHz; Up: 5d+26 min; Users: 1; Load: 0.02; Free: [Mem: 7/376 Mio]  [Swap: 831/831 Mio]  [/: 16189/18415 Mio] ; Vpenis: 24.7 cm;
User2: see
User2: and i didn't install that (that i know of)
User13: User14 yes, but this is a laptpo, and that was how long it lasted without pwoer
User14: odd
* Hobbsee wonders what happened during the meeting
User14: User13 nice... my mums is about an hour
User2: damn Hobbsee that is awesome
User2: mine is 2.5 every rip
User14: User13 what laptop?
User2: and guidance is 100% accurate the entire time
User13: dell 6400
User14: oh, and Hobbsee, nixternal is writing a resume of the meeting, feel free to harrass him :)
User13: with the least-brightest screen, using the wifi
User13: hehe, i'll just read it
* Hobbsee now remembers all the stuff taht she wanted toa sk in the meeting :P
User14: lol
User13: guess i'll have to email it to the ML...
User14: User13 your a bug triager, right?
User13: User14 among other things, sure
User14: or did you fade out?
User13: no, i still do it
* Hobbsee hasnt had much time lately...
User14: hmm... what would you think of a Kubuntu-QA... I have some ideas under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh#head-cfcadec9d857e81f7b76e60c8ab5dfe01e0a5e24 ...
User14: I'm going to talk to mhb about it tommorow, but incorporate the testing team into it...
User13: User14 yeah...that sort of thing would be the testing team
User13: User14 there's already a mailing list for it - kubuntu bugs, or something
* Hobbsee subscribes to most of it anyawy
User13: what bugs would count as kubuntu bugs?  guess ones that belonged to kde*
User14: yeah
User2: a qa team would be great imho
User13: what about ubuntu-qa?
User14: anything in kubuntu-desktop mainly, and then the KDE stuff in main. Universe would get a lower priority
User13: become part of that, do do kubuntu
User13: argh.  -do
User2: User13 that is mainly for bug triaging is it not?
User13: User2 yes
User14: Ubuntu-qa is anything...
User13: -qa does mostly triage
User14: and I'm part of ubuntu-qa...
User13: cd testing, etd
User13: c
User13: cool
User2: well, i guess kubuntu-testing is the same as kubuntu-qa and vice versa
User13: User14 instead of creating a new team, i'd suggest you work with mhb on the testing
User13: speaking of which, there's a new subforum of ubuntu forums, for cd testers
User2: oh ya, i did see the planet post on that
User13: maybe we want to integrate that with our testing, including a wiki.  not sure on that
User14: Kubuntu Quality Assurance would test it, file bug reports and triage them... kubuntu bugs would be https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
User13: as long as people actually keep it well done, that should be really handy
User13: User14 what's "it"?
User14: Herd 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, x, groundhog 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, x
User14: whatever -testers tests...
User2: hey kde devs, how come in trunk you have kdesecurity, kdock, kfte, and klyx that hasn't been touched in years?
User13: User14 ah right
User13: User2 ask in #kde-devel or soemthing
User13: User14 there's no groundhog
User14: I thought next release was grumpy groundhog... meh
User13: User14 no.  that's hte inside canonical testing thingo that we dont know about
User14: ah
User13: morning deity
User18: Heya foks
User18: Err folks
* bddebian looks around for a deity
User13: User18 that's you.
User18: Me who?
User13: User18 :P the deity
User18: I'm just a schmuck :(
User13: awwww
User13: User19 you still here?
User14: User13 shall I update the topic?
User19: yup
User19: wasup ?
User14: kk, just a sec, I'm going to add the bug link
User19: Hobbsee, pong
* ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:ryanakca] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Happy Newness! | Merge ! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
User14: User19 oh, I got hammered by questions at the meeting today :)
User14: bbl, bed :)
User19: lol
User19: later
User14: (or as hobbsee would put it, grilled :)
User19: yea , hammered == drunk to me ;)
User13: User19 where's the svn konversation please :D
User13: User14 yeah, i was going to ask you more :P
User19: ahh yea. cruft, gimme 5 minutes
User13: hehe
* Hobbsee cant contribute without running the latest svn
User19: hehe
User2: lovely, my password for kde svn isn't working
User19: make -F Makefile
User19: err
User2: hehe
User13: User19 take two :P
User13: User14 what should kubuntu-testers be doing, in your view?
User13: User8 *poke*
User13: User20 right.  if you're mocking, i dont think we'll do anything about your bug, OK?  :P
User13: User14 when Riddell bounces you that something python related, can you CC me?
User13: User12 or CC me in the first place?
User16: User19 next time you merge konversation, please remove debian/cdbs/kde.mk.  rules does not use it
User13: User16 cool, thanks @ kommando
User19: allee, sure
User13: User4 yes i was awake, FYI - i had trouble bootign - latest kernel didnt have l-r-m, so i had no wifi
User20: hobbsee: hehe :)
User13: User20 :P
User20: hobbsee: mind you slashdot is my runner-up bug tracking system ;-)
User20: LOL
User13: User20 heh
User2: here we go again
User2: anyone have any good news to add to the UWN?
User13: User2 hrm?  stuff from the meeting would work
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee]  by ChanServ
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b jack_wyt!*@*]  by Hobbsee
User2: already got that
User13: ah
User2: User13 should you forward him to #fix_your_shiznit
User2: or whatever it is
User13: User2 when does this get published?
User2: im guessing today/tomorrow depending where at in the world you are
User13: User2 probably....his home server knows about it
User13: right
User13: you could say that u-u-s has a mailing list now, but it's still being configured
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt!*@*]  by Hobbsee
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b jack_wyt!*@*##fix_your_client]  by Hobbsee
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b jack_wyt!*@*#fix_your_client]  by Hobbsee
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt!*@*#fix_your_client]  by Hobbsee
User2: you had it right with the ## one
User2: interesting that he isn't doing this in #ubuntu
User2: yes he is :)
User13: he just did...
User2: jack_wyt: port 8001
User2: lol
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b jack_wyt!*@*]  by Hobbsee
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b ##fix_your_clie*!*@*]  by Hobbsee
User2: jack_wyt: you are join/part flooding
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b ##fix_your_clie*!*@*.]  by Hobbsee
User13: User2 i suspect by accident
User13: it doesnt want to banforward
User2: i think Hobbsee sets +b jack_wyt!*@*##fix_your_client   was the correct way
User13: he could still join
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b *!*@91.69.162.6]  by Hobbsee
User2: lol
User2: now he can't
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b *!*@91.69.162.6##fix_your_client]  by Hobbsee
User2: there you go
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b *!*@91.69.162.6#fix_your_client]  by Hobbsee
User13: hrm
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b *!*@91.69.162.6#fix_your_client]  by Hobbsee
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt!*@*]  by Hobbsee
User2: hurry now, see if it works
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b jack_wyt!*@*!##fix_your_client]  by Hobbsee
User2: heh, i can't /opme in here
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b *!*@91.69.162.6]  by Hobbsee
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b *!*@91.69.162.6##fix_your_client]  by Hobbsee
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b ##fix_your_clie*!*@*]  by Hobbsee
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt!*@*##fix_your_client]  by Hobbsee
User2: lol
User13: yay for that section in konvi :)
User2: /ban jack_wyt!*@*!##fix_your_client
User2: copy and paste it :)
User13: yeah,i got it
User2: hehe
User21: User13 please unban jack_wyt
User13: User21 for?
User13: User21 is he speaking, as opposed to a dead client?
User2: if he was speaking, it would be like a cell phone cutting out
User13: User21 the join/part spam is annoying
User13: User21 especially as it's gone on for days
User2: h y hobb se ho   ar  yo   d i g
User21: User13 for his damn network, he is my workmate, i'm suufering the damn netwrok too
User21: :)
User13: User21 ahhh.  how are you managing to stay in then?
User13: User21 you may want to suggest he reads logs, if his connection is so flakey
User21: User13 ssh-tunnel  :)
User13: hehe - teach him about it?
User13: User21 oh, you're in asia somewhere, arnet you.  that wouldnt be pleasant
User21: User13 he haven't any ssh accounts outside our office   :)
User13: User21 ahh
User2: User21 give him one :)
User2: hehe
User2: that is a horrid network if it continues to do that
User21: User2 I haven't too, mine is given by imbrandon too  :)
User2: ahhh
User2: User19 ^^ :)
User2: you can start charging ;p
* freeflying 'd pay for imbrandon :)
User2: just make sure he doesn't convert it to USD, we tend to rip people off ;)
User13: hehe
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-b jack_wyt!*@*!##fix_your_client]  by Hobbsee
User13: there...
User21: User13 thanks  :)
User13: User21 might be worth getting your friend to ask imbrandon for a shell too
User21: User13 then we really need pay imbrandon for it :)
User13: User21 have you seen the plan that he's on?  it's nuts!
User21: User13 what plan?
User13: User21 the dreamhost plans - i think they have 75 shells, at base rate
User21: sounds nice, I'd have a look  :)
* mode/#kubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee]  by ChanServ
User13: !root
User22: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
User23: Hi. I'd like to get a certain package in feisty. Is it still possible?
User1: Tonio_, User12 guidance have one release critical bug: crash on startup w/o config file - fix is in svn, but I do not have time to provide debdiff
User1: User11 how did you create your orig.tar.gz: it is lacking some files on powermanager/icons (ac-adapter, processor)
User1: User11 and debian/*.install file still packages just battery-*.png - it should also include processor.png and ac-adaptor.png
* Lure has to run for another meeting - bbl
User24: ping Riddell
User11: User1 ac-adapter isn't there ??????
User11: argh, I missed the install file.....
User11: User1 I'm fixing this
User12: hi Zerlinna
User11: User1 ping ?
User11: hey Riddell
User11: User12 is the freeze active or can I upoad a latest guidance ?
User12: User11 go ahead
User11: User12 I'm just doing the package
User24: User12 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda I hope it's ok like this
User11: User1 uploaded, sorry for missing the install file changes...
User11: User1 also, you missed one of my change in guidance-power-manager.py, I readded it, I will send you a patch for svn
User11: User12 I'll try to attend at solution linux 2007 booth
User13: hey all
User11: User12 we need at least one kubuntu person there :)
* Hobbsee is still alive
User11: hi Hobbsee
User24: hi Hobbsee
User13: :) heya
User13: oh dear.  we still have an "insert image here" section of the released kubuntu docs in edgy - the examples on the cd
User13: x2
User12: User11 do you have CDs?
User12: User24 that looks good
User12: User24 I have a real life meeting this evening, but I'll try and be at CC too
User13: a real life meeting?  whta's that?
User12: akademy organisres
User24: User12 it would be good if you could be at the cc
User24: hey \sh ! long time no see, happy new year !
User11: User12 nope can you provide a few cds to me ?
User11: I'll contact the french locoteam to be sure they accept me and then we can rediscuss this maybe
User24: User11 will someone of us be present at fosdem?
User13: User12 ooh, fun :)
User11: User24 I don't ramosmarc@example.net... not that I know
User24: User11 hmmm pity
User11: User24 but I can't imagin there is no ubuntu booth in there, I just don't know about kubuntu
User24: User11 there is a ubuntu booth http://www.fosdem.org/2007/booths :)
User24: \sh: I meant if there will also be some kubuntu-people
User12: User11 what is the date of the event?
User11: from 01/30 to 02/01
User11: User12 3 days
User12: erk
User11: I'll contact ubuntu-fr today so I hope a response for tomorrow
User11: is that too late to provide me cds ?
User12: wait, that's not /in/ three days
User11: no, that's in 3 weeks, and the meeting is 3 days long :)
User12: User11 order it on shipit then and put FAO maralize in the title so it gets processed fast
User25: fosdem looks set to be awesome this year; can't wait
User11: User12 okay, what is FAO maralize ? what does this mean ?
User12: for attention of
User12: Maralize is incharge of shipit
User26: User8 ping
User11: User12 okay thanks :)
User11: User12 talking about that, is your invitation for akademy 2007 still valid ? ^^
User12: User11 which invitation was that?
User11: User12 you told me 2 month ago you would like me to be there ;)
User12: certainly would
User12: everyone should come
User11: User12 I'm intereted, although I don't know if I'll be free to come, that depends if I get a new job or not.....
User11: if I get a knew one, that means no vacations for a year....
User12: bonus points to mhb for getting the kubuntu meeting at the top of UWN
User12: no holidays for a year?  what happened to french labour laws?
User11: User12 we have 5 weeks per year, but in fact you have to win them, 2 days by month
User11: so when you start working, you generally have to wait for May to take the vacations you won
User11: so if I start in march or april, that means I will have to wait for may next year to take them
User11: that's a bit strange I know, but that's it ;)
User13: yay, cd testing...
User11: hum that kdebluetooth makes me crazy.... the patch didn't apply during the build, although that's a simple-patchsys task....
User11: I don't understand
User11: Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_07_dunhandler_desktop.patch at level 1 ... success.
User11: that's a nightmare..... works locally
User11: fast creating kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth-common/dunhandler/dunhandler.desktop
User11: argh !!!!!!!! it is regenerated :/
User11: User12 I'll fix this later, since that's not an ramosmarc@example.net.... I'll prepare the package and wait for herd2 to be out
User7: User11 Did you read my "kbluetoothd uses /etc/init.d/bluez-utils where it should use /etc/init.d/bluetooth" message?
User11: User7 yup
User11: User7 I also have to patch this
User7: User11 Ok, thanks
User11: User7 patch is done, I'll wait for herd2 to upload
User7: Kool
User20: User12 ping
User12: User20 hi
User20: User12 question regarding DFSG ktorrent and the GeoIP database
User20: does the GeoIP standard license really violate Ubuntu's main guidelines?
User20: Azureus is in universe (not multiverse) and ships with the same database
User20: Novell/SUSE even ships the database with opensuse's ktorrent
User13: User20 can i smack midmark (cimmo) with the cluebat please?
User20: User13 he's just a user who is slightly ticked off at the possibility of losing 500MB or so of data every time he uses his USB stick
User20: crazy fool
User18: Heya
User13: User20 i can understand that.  but a crackpot solution usually doesnt work too well either
User20: which solution is crackpot?
User20: mounting sync, or remount-ro then umount?
* Jucato waves at Hobbsee!
User13: whichever.  without Riddell deciding which one is better
User13: hey Jucato!
User20: well, when will Riddell decide?
User20: this is a decision that could've been made a month before Edgy released when this bug was discovered
User13: User12 jdong i suggest you ask him
User20: instead it's been ignored and shoved back forever
User13: User20 then write the damned debdiff.  you clearly know what teh solution is.  that will get you a hell of a lot further than just bitching constantly.
User20: User12 care to express an opinion on how best to safely handle unmounting writable media in Edgy?
User20: User13 I'm not a KDE developer... where is unmounting handled? what source package? what cpp files?
User13: aiee!  http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/night-bans-tougher-tests-for-pplaters/2007/01/09/1168104983564.html
User13: User20 in dbus somewhere.
User20: in dbus somewhere?
User20: which KDE source package handles the KDE portion of it though
User20: kdebase? kdelibs?
User20: I'm not downloading a 30MB source package in my slow wifi link to find out it's the wrong one
User11: User20 talking about the usbkey issue, we have 2 things to do :
User11: test 3.5.6
User11: and test packages without sime's patches
User20: User11 I don't think sime's patches are to blame. The problem exposes itself in FC6 and Opensuse 10.2
User11: User20 great then
User11: User20 I thought it was a ubuntu only issue
User11: User20 then we have to test with 3.5.6
User20: User11 from what Hobbsee said, the KDE response was 'we will fix it with KDE4' :D
User11: User20 pffffffff stupid :(
User20: my sentiments exactly
User11: it worked before so we just have to revert the code........
User27: 'we'll fix it after the release'
User11: worked with 3.5.3 afaicr
User20: User11 it was a side effect of transitioning to d-bus
User20: so I'm not sure if we'd want to revert that :)
User11: User20 hum, probably not indeed
User20: hence why I suggested mounting sync for the time being
User11: so the issue would be in dbus+kde and not kde code change ?
User20: well, kde code change to have removable media handled by d-bus rather than itself
User20: I'm guessing that during that shift, KDE lost its ability to see deeply into mounting behavior
User11: the kde way to react to hard bugs is dangerous
User11: "wait for kde4"
User20: I know
User11: that's great, but when will kde4 be mature ?
User11: and all apps ported to it (k3b, amarok....)
User11: that'll take a while
User20: but to be fair it does seem like this is a bug at the core of storage management and isn't trivial to resolve in a technically meritable way
User20: which is why I suggested my two workarounds
User20: (1) mount sync like SUSE/Redhat does
User11: the problem is that kde 3 become unstable
User20: (2) Change unmounting behavior to remount-ro then unmount
User11: 3.5.3 was just perfect
User11: and each new release adds a bunch of new critical bugs
User11: 3.5.4 went with this one
User20: that sadly seems like the case
User11: 3.5.5 went with the crappy kwallet not saving passwords on logout......
User11: that really critical
User20: but I'm sure these will all get fixed in KDE4 ;-)
User11: User20 your workarround can be the solution as long as we know kde 3 will not be fixed....
User11: User20 are you able to provide patches for this ?
User20: User11 no, I don't know the best way to effect that. It's a dbus/hal config file in /etc
User20: User11 I'd have to recommend talking to one of our experts in that field of how it should be done
User20: because only kubuntu needs to do it; ubuntu/gnome is unaffected
User11: User20 hum, we can hack that via kds package, but that's a policy violation
User11: really crappy
User20: right :-/
User11: and we cannot change the file directly cause that'll impact gnome too
User20: I wasn't sure if touching hal was something kds was supposed to do
User11: okay can you send me the etc config file patched ?
User11: I'll test and then think about a solution
User11: something acceptable
User11: User20 only hal is supposed to touch hal ;)
User11: otherwise that's a debian policy violation
User11: not any package is supposed to touch etc/ files except the file holding package
User20: User11 look at /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi , line 32 to end
User20: there's already commented-out sample config lines for forcing sync (on media <1GB, but that check can be easily removed)
User20: IMO we should not be using that check because media >1GB suffer from the exact same issue
User11: yup
User11: I have a 2gb usb key that has the same problem
User20: right; size isn't the issue; write speed of the medium is the biggest one
User11: yup
User20: and nothing says media greater than n GB will write blindingly fast ;-)
User11: hum I have to go for a few minutes, brb
User20: np
User20: thanks for your time, Tonio_
User11: User20 but we have to think about a fix for the release, that's really critical
User20: yeah
User11: we have to follow how opensuse, mandriva etc... are dealing with this
User11: seya
User8: hello everyone
User8: hi seele
User1: User11 we do not need your change - it is ok in SVN
User13: User20 what i said was "it's a result of this, it's already been fixed in kde4" - you know, it's a really bad idea to read someone's text, then interpret it however you like, then blame them constantly.
User1: User11 and kde-guidance-powermanager needs to depend on kde-guidance
User8: hi Hobbsee, I noticed you poked me
User11: User1 hum not that I've seen
User1: User11 and kde-guidance does not need to depend on python-dbus
User1: User11 all needed icons are in SVN - I just do not know how you create your tar ball - it is missing some files in powermanager/icons
User28: hi everyone too :)
User8: User28 glad to see you
User11: User1 yeah I changed that to make it clear
User1: User11 like processor.png, ac-adaptor.png which are there forever
User28: User8 I noticed you poked me :P
User11: User1 you have all the icons, but you don't use it
User11: lemme give you a diff
User13: hey mhb.  i'll repoke later
User1: User11 I think that tarbal should be SVN as-is
User11: User1 I added them back in my today's upload, my fault indeed
User11: User1 icons/ is a hudge mess........
User11: why not make it clean once and for all ?
User1: User11 and you have .svn dirs (use svn export instead of svn co)
User13: User20 now you see why i wasnt about to somehow make a patch out of the listed solution there - it's more complicated than first looks
User1: User11 not anymore - I have removed everyhting that is not needed
User1: User11 only needed .png is there and all valid .svg's
User1: User11 there is still icons/png dir which we probably do not need anymore, but I need to talk with sebas before nuking it
User1: main is frozen already :-(
User1: User12 we will need exception for this one I think
User11: User1 you miss icons under icons/
User11: all the icons for charging/discharging are under icons/png
User11: but important icons are under icons, like ac-adapter and processor
User1: User11 no, they are duplicated - both in icons and icons/png
User11: User1 look at my latest tarball
User11: User1 NO ! ;) you miss charging-80 for example
User11: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/42
User11: User1 and concerning the changes I'm doing, here they are
User11: you also miss 80% there
User1: User11 charging-80 is not used in code ;-)
User11: User1 that's the change I'm doing
User1: User11 I have seen your diff, it is just obsolete
User11: 85 -> 75 -> 60
User11: where is the logic behind ?
User1: User11 we do not have 80% icon - that is
User1: ;-)
User11: User1 it is in icons/png
User11: User1 that's why it is messy
User1: User11 it is not!
User1: User11 at least not in SVN
User11: User1 it was in my previous upload ;)
User1: User11 it might be in your tar, but I do not know how you got it
User11: I added the icon and the changes in the python file :)
User11: User1 I made it
User1: User11 it might, but it was wrong icon
User1: ;-)
User11: User1 okay let's make it clear
User1: ok, at least it is clear now ;-)
User11: are you okay if I prepare a tar archive with :
User11: all charging/discharging icons
User11: my changes on the code to use them
User11: and clean icons structure
User1: User11 yes, if 80% is not there (as we do not have .svg for it)
User11: I sum up the changes via an email and you sync if you are okay with them right ?
User11: User1 no need of svn for those icons, they are pure bitmap ones....
User1: User11  just use SVN and pakcage battery*.png processor.png ac-adpater.png from icons/ and you are done
User11: User1 will do but are you okay for my changes if I'm doing that way ?
User1: User11 but then we have build dep on inkscape
User1: User11 small icons are very tricky for svg->png conversion (rendering)
User11: User1 we are not building icons via svg file..... the svg files are old ones
User11: that's why we need to clean this !
User11: the new icons don't have svg files, they are pure bitmap
User1: User11 no, they are only new in upt-to-date svn - do not look at your tar ball!
User1: ;-)
User11: I'm looking at the svn !
User1: User11 new icons have .svg!
User11: no ! ;)
User11: look at the files !
User11: svg and png are not the same
User1: User11 _1 to _9 icons are new from kwwii
User11: argh !
User11: User1 we can't have 3 version of the icons in the same folder.........
User1: User11 just open them with Inkscape (konq cannot render them for some reason)
User11: User1 okay but can you then remove all the old ones from the svn to make it clear ?
User1: User11 I know, but we care only about .png for packaging, so I do not see what is the problem
User11: battery-charging-040.svg that's n-2 version
User11: battery-charging-040.png -> n-1
User1: User11 I can cleanup svn, but I need to talk with sebas and kwwii if this is ok
User11: battery-charging_1.svg -> n
User11: that's a hudge mess ;) how can I follow this ?
User1: User11 I have cleaned up all .png on icons/ so that we can have a simple rule that we need all .png from icons/*.png
User11: User1 and shouldn't we have png in the svn directly instead of converting during the build ?
User1: User11 no need to follow .svg ;-)
User11: User1 sure, but well svg+png is very common in tarballs :)
User1: User11 we do not convert .svg during the build - it is there for artists only
User11: User1 okay se what is the point ?
User11: how do we get the png icons ?
User7: User1 Sure, go ahead
User1: User11 sure they can be in tar ball (it should be everything that svn export gives you)
User11: User1 okay that's great
User1: User7 so it is OK to remove old .svg and png dir?
User7: Yes
User1: User7 I wil do it now to make Tonio happy ;-)
User11: User1 and also a 80% icon would be nice, I'll look in doing it (very easy)
User7: That'd be nice
User1: User11 and sorry for confusion
User7: Sorry for making it such a mess in the first place.
User11: to make the steps logic instead of 85->75->60>50
User11: are you okay on that point ?
User1: User11 we do not need it - you dont see the diff with the eye anyhow (too small)
User1: User11 we could drop some more even
User1: ;-)
User11: User1 well the step between 75 ans 60 is a bit violent to me :)
User7: Right, we made it to work well visually, not arithmetically :)
User11: User1 I saw that using the app, but maybe I'm just a stupid paranoid
User11: ;)
User1: User11 talk with artists than - we can not fix this for Herd2
User11: User1 sure
User1: ac-adapter.png is also from other planet (ugly), but that what we have now
User11: okay so it is tool late for herd2, but I'm waiting for the svn and I will do a clean package then ;)
User11: User1 sorry for the issue
User1: User11 pinheiro will work on it (I just need to send him an e-mail - I will mention also 80% gap)
User29: yep
User11: User1 great so that we can apply my patch the py code to go in a 10% step
User1: User11 we at least need to fix crash on startup - why it is too late? We can ask for exception. Riddell?
User29: hope its not urgent im swaped with work
User11: User1 I uploaded this
User11: quickly done today
User1: User29 no urgency - until feisty release ;-)
User12: User1 I'm happy for it
User29: how do you guys like the development in oxygen?
User11: User1 the package isn't perfect, next will fix deps etc.... but it works
User29: becoming less black :P
User12: User29 yay :)
* Tonio_ really brb this time :)
User11: User1 thanks for making it clear to me this time :)
User1: User29 great!
User4: User29 hooray! :)
User29: dont need t be this hapy :P
User11: User29 very, very good :)
User29: yea im hapy to so...
User29: :)
User29: any way trying to get the core action icons done this week
User12: User29 when do you think I can put oxygen icons into kdelibs trunk?
User29: can we wait to the end of the week i hope that by then i will have the core actions mostly done
User29: User12 3700 icons somthing must be wrong
User29: im my wildest dreams i counted arround 2000
User12: User29 if I can do it this weekend that would work out nicely
User29: ok
User29: back to work then much to be done
User1: User11 removed icons/png dir and old .svg icons. Now we have right .png (for package) and only new .svg (for artists)
User1: User11 we can rename .svg names to match .png when artists will figure out 80%
User1: User11 ok?
User1: User11 if you can "svn export" again and prepare new package with all icons it would be great
User1: User11 I am sure Riddell can ask for freeze exception (as it fixes very visible bug for Live CD on laptop)
* Lure has to hit the road now - will be back in cca 2 hours
User1: User11 sorry for all the mess and late minute changes
User12: User11 poke poke?
User30: User12 You want to use oxygen icons with kde 3.x?
User30: The oxygen icons guy at akademy said he'll change the license of the icons if he finds someone doing that.
User29: User30 me one of the oxygen guys
User29: :)
User11: User12 ping ?
User2: User12 do you use svn+ssh with KDE SVN? For some reason my first couple of attempts at logging in didn't work, on the 3rd or 4th password attempt it worked
User30: User29 Great, so it is OK now to use those icons with non-kde4?
User29: nope
User11: User12 want me to prepare and upload a finally fixed guidance ?
User29: :)
User29: ridel is talking about k4 branch
User30: User29 Good:-) It would be a waste.
* hunger shuts up then.
* Jucato scratches his head...
User2: argh :)  i was hoping for some new icon love for my lappy :) im using a nice, but silly icon pack from kde-look
User4: User2 what icon pack?
User29: User2 use the one from svn from the oxygen guys :P
User2: i don't know. it is a collab project where the guy took icons from multiple packs and made one pack
User29: but i find you using it i will be forced to kill you :P
User4: ah hm :)
User2: hehe
User2: User29 i am not a windows user, so i dont' use stuff "illegally" anymore :)
User29: oo its not ilegal
User29: im just joking
User29: read the licence
User29: you can use it
User2: well then, guess i will have to do something then :)
User12: User11 yes please
User12: User30 kdelibs trunk is KDE 4
User29: User12 maybe you know this example icon what is that one
User29: you marked it as unknow
User12: User29 in icons.ods?  I wasn't sure
User29: yep
User12: I never found it
User29: the fact is that i cant find it any were
User12: I think it's a figment of aseigo's imagination
User29: hehehhehee
User29: will talk to him them
User29: my head was going into mush over this ones
User2: wasn't there something about that in the latest kde commit digest?
User11: User12 currently building. I'm testing everything and that should be okay. I also fixed the deps as lure noticed minor issues
User11: User12 guidance uploaded
User12: User11 got a debdiff?
User11: User12 tarball is different.....
User11: lots of changes in binary files (png/svg)
User11: User12 you need this for Mithrandir ?
User11: User12 I have a debdiff, but due to svn changes, removall etc.... the content is about 6.5 MB
User11: User12 not sure that will help a lot
User11: also lots of changes since my previous upload had svn datas in it (my fault)
User12: User11 do you know what lure fixed for the crash?
User7: User12          # battery critical and lid actions.
User7: -        self._setCB(self.BatteryCriticalCombo, self.cb_act, self.cb_act_def_critical, self._checkOldConfig(self.config.readEntry("batteryCriticalAction"), False))
User7: +        self._setCB(self.BatteryCriticalCombo, self.cb_act, self.cb_act_def_critical, self._checkOldConfig(self.config.readEntry("batteryCriticalAction", ""), False))
User11: User12 unfortunatelly no
User7: self.LaptopLidRadios.setButton(self.config.readNumEntry("laptopLidAction", 0)) #default None
User7: Rather trivial thing
User7: (Default value for something that's read from kconfig)
User7: Would've been a regression, and it's really a one-liner
User7: And it's critical since it breaks all fresh installs
User12: ok, cool
User12: User11 guidance accepted
User7: Cool!
User11: User12 thanks
User7: Thanks
User12: well, thanks for fixing it :)
* sebas points at Lure and Tonio_
User2: wo0t on guidance!
User2: my last lappy and guidance didn't agree w/ each other, my new lappy and guidance are in love with each other
User2: ../../include/QtGui/private/../../../src/gui/kernel/qt_x11_p.h:50:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
User2: this begins the errors in building tq-copy from svn, any ideas?
User2: qt-copy that is
User31: and you have satisified the b-ds?
User2: i have gotten most of them, which b-ds would that be?
User31: ok, and libx11-dev is correctly installed?
User2: :)
User2: installing now
User2: thank you sir!
User5: is transparent and translucent the same?
User32: q. is the log of the yesterday #ubuntu-meeting available from the web ? if so, any hint on how to find it ?
User33: good question
User33: if it is not available I have a log from it
User33: well, not the whole thing because I had to go to bed
User33: but most of it
User2: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
User32: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Kubuntu <- the official stuff seems quite obsolete
User32: ok thanks
User2: qt just completed
User2: 1hr 20min, not to shabby
User1: User11 thanks for kde-guidance, but it seem we have another problem now: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/972/
User1: :-(
User1: User11 not sure how 32-wine.png would get into this package
User34: User1 it shouldn't be in the ubuntu package
User1: User34 why not?
User1: User34 and why it is in powermanager package - it should not be there either ;-)
User34: User1 because it's not done *blush*
User34: no, it shouldn't be in any ubuntu packages, it should be separate but it's not done
User1: User34 ok
* Lure downloading source to check
User34: it should be in wineconfig
User34: don't know how it would have gotten in some other folder
User34: oh it might be in setup script... probably shouldn't have put that in there that early.. but i don't think the packages use that
User1: Tonio_ (or Riddell): it only needs simple packaging fix: ftp://ramosmarc@example.net/kubuntu/feisty/kde-guidance.debdiff
User1: now all icons are where they should be and it does not crash on startup
User1: or any other core-dev (raphink, imbrandon) ^^^ ;-)
User11: User1 asks me for password
User11: User1 what is the fix ?
User1: User11 sorry: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kdebase16.debdiff
User1: (wrong paste)
User1: User11 http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kde-guidance.debdiff
User1: ;-)
User1: User11 issue was that the source dir at the time of package has combination of icons from guidance and powermanager and *.png took all
User11: User1 right....... looks like I really lack concerntration nowadays......
User11: yeah I know, that's obvious....... shame on me
User1: User11 no problem, I pushed a crashing code yesterday in ;-)
User11: yeah but that's not the first error I'm doing today
User11: at least the 3rd
User1: User11 some days are like that ;-)
User11: User1 uploaded, no idea if that'll get approved
User1: User11 I hope so, otherwise they will not have LiveCD ;-)
User1: User11 you should probably notify Mithrandir in #ubuntu-devel (as others ar doing)
User11: User1 hehe indeed
User11: hard day today......... I think I should leave the computer since I can't seem to do something without bullshits in it
User11: User1 mithrandir pinged, I'm waiting for a response
User1: User11 thanks
User11: User1 any indea how to install a new language now ?
User11: User1 language selector is out of the kmenu here....
User1: User11 it should be in Regional&Language, but Riddell has lost the patch :-(
User11: User1 hehe, so it is simply not accessible now ? ;) great, I'm not crazy
User11: yeah I remember he did something in the kcm language selector
User11: User1 did he publish that ? we should be able to find the package on launchpad no ? unless that only was on his hdd ?
User1: User11 jsut run /usr/bin/qt-language-selector
User1: User11 it was never uploaded as it seems to (losts on Riddell's computer)
User11: User1 yeah that's what I've done :)
User1: User11 or the screenshots at Herd2 page are just mockup from Krita ;-)
User11: User1 argh :)
User11: vaporware is evil you know !
User33: dude, do you really believe anyone making mockups would do it with krita?
User33: :p
User2: kwwii is right, i did those mockups with mspaint :)
User2: i wondered the same thing, everything that is supposedly removed isn't, they are all right there still, but i think that is due to the updates instead of installing directly from a Herd 2 cd
User35: kde-guidance-powermanager might not install
User35: i used smartpm (it works out things) but looks like apt will have issues with it not overwriting
User33: :p
User35: its trying to overwrite /usr/share/apps/guidance/pics/32-wine.png
User35: i cant tell if it worked for me or not it ends in error code 1 but dpkg --configure -a doesnt set anything up. (just a warning)
User11: User35 that's fixed.... well uploaded at least :)
User11: User35 we just need to wait for mithrandir to approve
User35: k
User35: its all good i just didnt know if it was known i knew guidance was a package you wanted to get in this morning
User35: the one ending in 0ubuntu1 was the fixed version?
User35: if so it was acked by the looks of it
User35: ah same one
User1: User35 fixed version has 0ubuntu2 version
User35: i saw its the same version smart just re downloads it
User1: User35 if you cannot wait, you can use this debdiff:  http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kde-guidance.debdiff
User1: ;-)
User35: oh i already fixed it :)
User35: --force-overwrite :(
User1: btw, anybody working on k3b 1.0rc? seaLne maybe?
User12: User1 I uploaded it yesterday
User1: User12 where? nothing in feisty-updates
* Lure thinks that all Riddell's uploads go to /dev/null recently ;-)
User12: kdebase_3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu16_source.changes Rejected
User12: bah
User12: oh well, after herd 2 then
User1: User12 no pb, I just thought it would be nice to test it...
User35: that was updated
User35: i have that version of kdebase
User1: User12 true - I also have that kdebase - are you talking about k3b?
User1: User12 k3b is separate source (0.12.17)
User1: looks familiar: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/rodrigo/2007/01/08/0 ;-)
User1: User11 kde-guidance accepted!
User11: User1 great good news
User16: I've talked with upstream about digikam 0.9.1 release date and kubuntu upstream freeze on 15th.  They suggested 1 Feb beta, 8 Feb rc and final 14th.  sounds this reasonable? or should I ask for some days more for testing?
User16: User12 ^^
User1: User16 I would suppose if we have rc in before freeze, that we would be allowed to get UVF for released version
User1: User16 but it is Riddell to tell.. ;-)
User16: User1 sounds reasonable
User14: hm... when is feisty released? 07/04/01?
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