User1: User10 ping
User2: User13 grab-merge pkg-kde-tools works.
User1: I hate this track system... just lemme search keywords. :P
User1: Uggh
User3: funny how qsharedpointer can make some stuff slower... apper is much faster with pk-qt2 which doesn't use it..
User1: Has the personal participation schedule ever worked on the UDS schedule page?
User1: To download the ical
 * ScottK prods maco about the installer spec.
User2: User31 How's that mobile spec coming?
User4: User1 if you recall though, the timeslots change like once per hour
User4: so it doesn't do much good to dl the ical
User5: hey guys... i've made a video on kde, it's filled with stuff i think would help improve kde
User5: the kubuntu experience
User5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7x_ea5eojM
User5: just uploaded it
User4: fffffffff -- still no flash for youtube
User2: User5 We need code, not videos.
User2: FWIW, for all my kvetching about rekonq, I was glad to have it last night.
User5: User2 heh, you're right
User2: I went through chromium, firefox, and then to rekonq before I found a browser that would give me sound for Obama's speech.
User4: none works for flash for me
User4: didn't try konq
User4: yet
User2: User31 Are you going to make a new file sharing spec and do we need a session at UDS to discuss it?
User6: can anyone please suggest me a good softphone application for kubuntu?
User5: User6 er
User6: User5 ??
User5: there are two that i can recall
User5: but can't remember the names of them :)
User5: twinkle
User5: and something else
User6: User5 I got that :) twinkle worked fine for kubuntu :) thanks
User5: qutecom
User5: and i used linphone when i needed video about 2 years ago :)
User5: most people use skype
User5: or google talk
User5: aaah
User5: earlier when i complained about the kde start menu icon... i know exactly what it should be now
User5: that nice icon on kubuntu.org
User7: morning
User4: ybit, then we wouldn't have our lil KDE button anymore!
User4: I would miss it
User8: morning
User9: ninjas: is 4.6.3 going to be packaged for maverick?
User8: well, we still don't have kdeedu and kdeplasma-addons to package for natty/oneiric so that wasn't really a question yet. Although I think it would be nice to backport it, but only if we can get 4.6.3 into natty-updates so we don't break upgrades again
User9: User8 are you able to review and commit to bzr the 4.6.3 packaging done by c2tarun?
User8: sure, can do that now, I don't know how much for now since I'm sitting in the train right now
User9: wobbly train wifi
User8: nope, 3G  over my n900 :P
User8: even wobblier
User9: a volunteer is needed for kde-l10n too, I can supply ec2 machine if needed
 * Riddell wonders if bambee will volunteer :)
User7: User9 sure. I can package it this evening. (I am at work)
User7: it's okay ?
User8: well, c2tarun volunteered, but someone needs to merge the packaging branch update
User8: since kde-l10n requires comitting
* Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Party! | Merges https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | Oneiric open for development
User9: I wonder if it's safe to add him to kubuntu-packagers
User9: I'm not convinced he understands the whole packaging process though
User8: nope, I would prefer him at least to learn how to do proper merge requests before that
User8: (and I hope he's read the debian-policy by now)
User7: what is merge ? (merges.ubuntu.com)
User9: I'm worried he's not checking for new files when packaging
User9: User7 ah hah, that is the most exciting thing one can do, you'll love it :)
User9: User7 at the start of the cycle we merge back all our packaging with debian
User7: :)
User7: User9 ohh
User9: so you take the debian package, work out what changes there have been in ubuntu since the last debian merge
User9: decide which need to be kept
User9: put those changes into the debian package, test, check, and upload
User9: probably best to start off with one of the simpler universe packages if you're starting it https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
User7: mhhh interesting...
User7: User9 we have accesses to debian archives, for that ?
User9: yes, they're on the secret server that is git.debian.org
User9: for the main KDE SC modules anyway
User7: ok
User9: lesser known packages you can just get from packages.debian.org
User7: JontheEchidna: ping. you need to ask the kdeadmin maintainer (or ask on the kdeadmin ML)  if you want userconfig on upstream. (because you're the upstream developer)
User7: you or yuriy
User9: User7 I expect both JontheEchidna and yuriy would be happy for you to take over as the upstream developer and propose it yourself
User7: I cannot do it myself since I am not the upstream dev, I am just a contributor for now :)
User9: User7 userconfig has a section on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O, do we need to register a spec for it
User7: User9 I already proposed it myself, yesterday evening. I said that I was not the upstream dev :\
User7: (on #kde-devel)
User9: User7 just because pinotree says it on #kde-devel doesn't make it true :)
User7: ahhh... I don't know :)
User7: well
User9: User7 I'm pretty sure there is no kdeadmin mailing list
User9: and didn't you say you had e-mailed the module maintainer and couldn't get through to him?
User7: apparently not, at least I did not find a ML...
User7: User9 right. apparently his email does not exist anymore
User9: so it's unmaintained, free for all! :)
User7: User9 have a look at trunk/KDE/kdeadmin/AUTHORS
User9: that file is 6 years old, bero is not the maintainer
User7: OMG. you're right o_O
 * apachelogger has no laptop anymore
 * bambee hugs apachelogger
User10: User2 also the performance issues with kwin and my netbook either were related to blur or oxygen
User9: User7 I recommend you e-mail the main authors of the 5 programmes in kdeadmin (one of whom is me!) along with kde-core-devel to propose that userconfig replaces kuser
User9: User7 I predict that will come to no resistance, however KDE is in feature freeze so it can't go in for 4.7
User9: but it can go into kdereview
User7: I agree, looks a good idea
User9: User7 then one day you can quietly update the AUTHORS file and put yourself in there and be king of kdeadmin!
User7: User9 so it will go in for 4.8 ;)
User9: User10 did you install visual studio on it?
User8: User10 just blur? for me it's not only blur (intel)
User10: User9 on the laptop, yes, now microsoft has taken it away from me :(
User7: User9 firstly I will propose userconfig via emails and on ML. then I need to ask for a svn account
User10: or rather dell
User10: ^^
User10: User8 blur certainly had the biggest impact
User7: (if it's accepted...)
User10: User8 though I then went on and removed everything I did not need
User8: true, but for me I had to remove all 5 effects that don't work with xrender so opengl was usable again
User8: the newer intel driver from edgers didn't help though, maybe I'll add whole edgers to my other test system
User8: well, bbl
User9: User7 so is a spec needed for userconfig at UDS?
User7: User9 write a kauth helper (in cpp probably) , the dbus helper works but the kauth framework is faster and easier imho (and designed for that!). Also finish the ldap backend...
User7: (we could write the helper in cpp and keep the rest in python)
User9: User7 so that's a yes?
User7: yes
User7: User9 that's a yes
User7: 3 specs:  1) propose it to upstream, 2) use kauth, 3) finish the ldap backend
User9: that can all be covered in one spec easily enough
User9: voila https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-userconfig
User7: lovely :D
User9: User10 does kubuntu council need a whole spec?  can it not just be covered by community?
User10: that you will have to ask ScottK, though I personally believe that we should not spec such large piles of related stuff at all
User10: it sorta takes away focus and whatnot
User7: User9 I need to wait the approval to send an email to the ML ?
User9: User7 approval of what?
User7: User9 approval of the spec
User7: there is a field "direction: Needs approval", for this spec. that's why I am asking this question :P
User7: (I don't know how the whole process works... so I am a bit confused)
User7: feel free to blame me if my question is stupid :D
User10: User7 no one really knows how it works because launchpad never ever heared of user experience or help :P
User9: User7 we discuss the spec at UDS, come up with a todo list, then kubuntu-council can approve that
User7: User9 ok
User7: User10 even lord users ? :P
User10: they dunno anything
User10: the whole point of being what they are really
User10: bambee, User2 one of the many reasons why cpp  is supreme http://pastebin.com/mqb8aaHF
User7: User10 I already know that cpp is supreme :)
User7: User10 and ? it's just a backtrace :)
User10: it is a backtrace of something that would not ever happen in a compile time type complete language
User10: and currently prevents a user to manage printers at all
User10: surely he appreciates the fact that developing the software required 10% less time but has a 100% greater risk of PITA issues
User9: User11 you'll be pleased to know I set you as drafter of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-installer :)
User10: "Wired and wireless Internet is available; there is no need for a username, account number or password."
User10: win
User10: User29 ^^^ it is european luxury
User8: grat, profs sick
 * yofel goes back reviewing packaging
User11: User9 iirc I'll have to make a wiki page explaining the idea, right?
User10: come to think of it, who wants to be my roomie?
User8: my wishes for ubiquity-o: get the partitioner the possibility to add custom mount options and add a 'are you sure' dialog to the 'install now' button on the partitioning page
User9: User11 we don't tend to do that now, it's just a todo list that comes out of it
User8: hm... these *should* be in kdebase-runtime-dev right? http://paste.kde.org/48871/
User8: hm, no, that doesn't even exist
User10: agateau: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/701527 if you could take a look at this please :)
User12: Ubuntu bug 701527 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu) "Some Qt applications freezes Plasma-shell on start with plasma-widget-menubar enabled" [Undecided,New]
User8: hm, why do I see stuff from not-installed in --list-missing o.O
User10: User8 those are 2 different systems
User10: --list-missing is utter shit, which is why the other foobar was created
User10: which reminds me that I need to port the other foobar to dh7
User9: User8 indeed no, see debian/not-installed
User11: User9 ookz
User13: User8 you'd have to pass all those files with -X to dh_install
User8: yeah, but the stuff in the pastbin I just posted is in not-installed, so what does --list-missing show me that... grrr
User10: User8 cause it does not use not-installed
User10: the cdbs list-missing does
User13: afaik the new dhmk build system has a list-missing target (like cdbs)
User10: saves me the porting then I guess
User8: ah, great..
User13: User2 I'm sure it works but I'd like to have a branch which contains the history of debian and ubuntu commits
User8: User13 do you remember if the kubuntu_123_effectframe_glflush.diff you added to kdebase-workspace is in 4.6.3 ? (the nvidia flip switch patch)
 * yofel goes fixing the other things c2tarun dropped there by mistake
User8: which reminds me we need to update the Vcs entries in bzr
User13: User8 should be, I grabbed it from the 4.6 branch
User10: User14 no one wants to be my roomie at UDS, apparently shadeslayer told everyone that I only go to bed at 3 and then hack till 4 :(
User8: yep, it is
User14: User10 -.-
User14: mean
User10: yeah
User10: maybe ScottK wants to be my roomie, he also goes to bed at 3 :P
 * apachelogger just noticed that it is like 4 minutes from the train station to the hotel \\o/
User15: haha
User7: User9 check your inbox. did you receive something ? apparently the email failed... but I am not sure :\
User15: User10 I put down that I'd nbe fine sharing a room with you ;)
User15: and where is shadeslayer? havent seen him for a few days :D
User10: he is "busy" I suppose :P
User10: User15 will you hold my hair while I throw up at 4am?
User9: User7 I got a Subject: Userconfig e-mail
User15: User10 of course :P
User10: User15 deal
User9: User7 I assume one of the people you are sending it to no longer exists
User15: oooh!!
User15: * Hotel facilities:*
User15: Gym and Spa are complimentary
User7: User9 ok thanks. yes apparently l.d.anderson cannot be contacted
User9: User15 any sauna?
User15: User9 I dint note one... but lets see
User15: the one in florida was rubbish tho
User10: all good .prn movies start in a sauna
User15: User10 !!!
User10: whut?
User9: User10 I think you just insulted his Finish culture
 * jussi huggles Riddell
User10: well, I did not produce them movies
User10: I just pointed out a fact
 * apachelogger wonders what to enter as company at he uds regsitration page
User10: "Holy Church of Java"
User10: User15 now that you are insulted, do I need a new roomie? :S
User15: no :P
User15: User10 dont worry, Ill just accidentally spill a bucket of water on you at like 6am... :P
User10: dude
User10: at 6am we are well awake
User15: rofl
User10: roomie schedule: 5am shower, 6am gym, 7am tanning, 8am laundry, 8:45am breakfast, 9am borign stuff, then cofee, then more boring stuf, then lunch, then even more boring stuff, then coffee, then sleep, then dinner, then out dancing, 3am bed time, 4am sleep time
User10: surprisingly enough that whole schedule is built around GTL :P
User9: GTL?
User9: (not sure I want to know)
User10: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTL
User10: it is so ludicrous it made me cry ^^
User8: *sigh*, if the ubuntu folks put something like "Updated gdm.conf to fix gdm in single user mode (LP: #436936)" when fixing kdm.conf then I wonder if it was a good idea to give them commit rights...
User9: User8 that bug is for both gdm and kdm no?
User10: User8 complain to person who made the change and ubuntu-devel and kubuntu-devel :P
User10: make them feel bad muhahaha
User8: I didn't look at the bug, I just see that the diff for kdebase-workspace r495 have a modified kdm.conf and that changelog entry
User8: *has a
User8: true, it's against both
User10: doesnt make the changelog entry more meaningful
User8: right..
User16: apachelogger, User9 on kubuntu download page, mobile technology preview link redirects to 10.10 images.
User10: User9 ^
 * apachelogger also still does not have an account :P
User9: User10 an account where?
User10: kubuntu.org
User9: User10 we can fix that easily :)
User9: User16 apachelogger will sort it for you :)
User16: User9 thanks :)
User9: ah, rickspencer3, can you approve specs?
User17: Riddell, tbh, I'm not certain :/
User17: if you paste me a link, I can try
User9: User17 all the ones here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O
User9: some are already approved
User17: Riddell, I think they are all accepted now
User8: User21 where did you get the pykdeuic4 patch from for kdebindings?
User8: it changes 3 lines, one of those changes is in 4.6.3 now, the other 2 not, can you check if we need them?
User8: (c2tarun dropped the patch unintentionally, so you'll need to get it from bzr)
User8: bbl
User2: User10 Turning off blur seems to give me reasonable performance.  I gather mgraesslin gave up on capability detection.
User2: Riddell and User10 IIRC we've had a spec for it in the past.  It's scheduled late in the week, so if we don't need it for that, I'm sure something else will come up.
User2: User9 I can approve specs (I figured you'd have other things to do, so I arranged for the power).
User9: User2 the next question I have is how to schedule them
User2: User9 I'm workingon that now (I can also do that).
User9: ooh lovely
User2: User29 Please don't mark yourself essential for specs at a UDS you aren't coming to.  It confuses the scheduler.
User18: Hey, just an idea
User18: instead of hardly coded plasma UI for netbook/desktop, add a step to the installer where user chooses which one to be default
User18: add simple description and a screenshot
User18: would be better imho :)
User2: User18 Since it's trivially changeable after install, I don't think we should ask a question.
User2: I think all the specs are scheduled in a reasonable way at the moment.
User18: ScottK sure it is, but begginers don't know about it :)
User2: User18 I think the installer is not the place for education.
User18: ScottK you will not teach users there, you will give  them a possibility to choose the right desktop before they start using kubuntu
User9: how would they know the right one before trying?
User2: First run choosing is, unfortunately, not something upstream supports.
User2: It makes it a bit problematic for us poor distro people.
User10: User2 well, martin's time is definitely better used producing awesome rather than working around broken software that tries to prevent awesome
User2: User10 I think we're in hardware limitations on the netbooks.
User10: User2 about shadeslayer being essential... apparently someone suggested that remote participants need to do that or something
User2: Sigh.
User10: valorie did the same thing yesterday and told me someone suggested that
User2: Who did suggested it?
User10: dunno
User10: User4 ^
User2: Fortunately it's fixable.  You just subscribe them again as not essential.
User10: *nod*
User10: IMHO the essentiallity should be explained
User10: as in: "this will tell a scheduler that it should not ahve sessions overlap where you are marked essential"
User10: or something
 * apachelogger wonders if the phonon is the memleaking
User2: Well, it's actually "Don't schedule when you are not available" and "Not attending" is not available.
User19: \o
User2: Hey Quintasan.
User2: I've been subscribing you to specs too.
User19: Great.
User19: I will try to read up on stuff
User19: I can't figure out what's going on with my connection
User10: User19 when are you the arriving in the land of spas?
User19: edwardperkins@example.net. 11:00
User19: And you?
User10: 11am? :O
 * apachelogger has train options at around 1500 and around 1700
User10: though I suppose there are earlier ones
User10: yet for those I would have to get up before 9 -> not gonna happen
User2: Would someone please merge avogadro.  There's a backports request for 1.0.3.
User19: User10 well, that's what the ticket says
User19: departure at 9:35, arrival at 11:10
User19: Guees I will be in the hotel at about 12
User10: unlikely
User19: User10 Why? Shuttlebus takes about 50 minutes to arrive
User10: yes
User10: + getting out the aiport
User10: + actually getting a shuttle :P
User19: 13:37 then
User10: roger that
User10: and then?
User19: and then what? I will be playing games as UDS kicks off at Monday, doesnt it?
User19: User10 want me to bring two stepmania mats?
User10: \o/
User10: games
 * apachelogger wonders if Quintasan is allowed to drink the alcohols in the land of spas and monopoly money
User19: I'm 18
User19: So I guess I can
User10: oh my
User10: if you are drunk by the time I arrive you get a beatin'
User19: If you are drunk when you arrive there you get a beatin' too
User19: :>
User10: dude
User10: I am in a train for like 5 hours
User10: what else is there to do
User10: ....
User19: hm?
User19: dude, I will be playing stepmania, I can drink either water or beer
User7: User10 watch a serie ?
User7: User10 programming ? :P
User10: le boring
User10: besides
User19: >User10
User19: >programming
User7: or just sleep :)
User10: since I dont have a laptop anymore
User19: does not compute in a train
User10: ....
User10: and intel graphics is le suck
User19: LOL?
User7: arrrf... you haven't a laptop... I forgot that... :\
User10: I do not believe I coudl do watching nor programming
 * Quintasan borrowed a laptop from his brother
User19: I ain't buying a one just for UDS
User19: -a
User10: User19 dont forget DS
User19: DS?
User10: nintendo desktop summit
User19: lol
User10: in the land of bratwurst and bretzn
User19: I ain't got one
User10: and sauerkraut
User10: User19 why not?
User10: how is that?
User10: isn't it like around the corner for you?
User19: Cause I'm a poor high school student?
User10: User19 so? KDE doesnt wanna pay?
User19: What the hell are you talking about now? @_
User19: @_@
 * Quintasan got lost all of sudden
User10: User19 about the desktop summit in berlin in early august
User19: oh I see
User19: duuno, we will see
User19: I'm a poor high school student, I can't go EVERYWHERE
User10: I see that I did not yet ask for money back for fosdem
User10: no wonder I am broke all the time
User10: User19 it is not everywhere...
User10: everywhere would be if you went to kde.in and camp kde in SF and fosdem and whatnot
User19: Land of Bratwurst is the last country I want to go to
User10: dont forget the sauerkraut!
User19: UDS IN JAPAN
User10: blimey
User10: that would be one long flight
User19: nah, Japan++
User19: 1Gbps internetz
 * apachelogger would have a broken liver by the time of arrival
User19: imagine the transferz
User10: User19 yeah, that does not help if all the important serverz are like on the other side of the globe :P
User10: surely launchpad is even more slow in japan
 * apachelogger is scared just thinking about it
User19: Launchpad is slow no matter where you go
User2: But there are various values of slow.
User10: yeah, but if the singalz need to travel all through the earth core it would be even slowerererer
User2: I do think it's fair to say it's less slow now than it used to be though.
User10: it would be like microsoft.com
User19: User2 It's no like it can get worse than 500 error
User10: Quintasan has a point there
User19: not like*
User10: like wiki.ubuntu.com is slow, incidentially it also 500's a lot
User2: Well, I never claimed it wasn't slow, but LP is not w.u.c slow.
User19: Wiki is uber slowest
User10: *nod*
User19: User10 what the hell is sauerkraut anyways?
User10: so, wuc is failing slow and lp is slow
User10: User19 ask the wik0pedia
User10: User20 wp sauerkraut
User20: Results for sauerkraut: 1. Sauerkraut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut | 2. Sauerkraut Days - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut_Days | 3. File:Schupfnudeln mit Sauerkraut.jpg - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Schupfnudeln_mit_Sauerkraut.jpg
User20: [1] Sauerkraut (pronounced /ËsaÊÉrkraÊt/ in English; German pronunciation:Â [ËzaÊ.ÉkÊaÊt]Â  ( listen), Yiddish pronunciation:Â [ËzÉiÌ¯.ÉÊkÊÉiÌ¯t]), directly translated from German: "sour herb" or "sour cabbage", is finely shredded cabbage that has been fermented by various lactic acid bacteria, including Leuconostoc, Lactobacillus, and Pediococcus.[1][2] It has a long shelf-life and a distinctive sour fl...
User19: User10 downloadan Kubuntu Natty to install on mah laptops
User10: it is not your laptops!
User19: User10 hmm, is it tasty?
User19: User10 mine for the time being
User10: looksy
User10: you even haz it in poland
User19: u kidding me?
User10: the wackopedia sez so
User10: Polish Sauerkraut (Kiszona kapusta)
User19: OH GOD
 * yofel wonders why he bothered going to uni today, very unproductive day..
User19: Kiszona kapusta is full of awesome
User10: oh it is raining again *sing*
User8: anyway... User19 do don't knows ze sauerkraut??
User10: User8 you never ever do that... go to uni that is
User19: User10 sup, it was 27*C yesterday and now it's 2*C
User19: and snowing
User19: magic
User10: utter pointless
User10: User19 lulz
User10: it was like flipping 10 degree tonight
User10: I thought I was going to freeze
User19: I got up today
User10: eventually I started cuddling with my overheating laptop
User10: worked out well I must say
User19: Looked trough the window, went SERIOUSLY WTF for a momend
User8: LOL
User19: rubbed my eyes two times and still
User19: SNOW, SNOW EVERYWHERE
User10: User19 all screwed up the weather is
User10: and you know is responsible? right, GWB!
User2: I blame global warming for the snow.
User8: true, they said it might be freezing this night here too :S
User19: GWB?
User10: george the double u bush
User19: oh
User10: he had to go to war and blow tons and tons of gas out of the tanks and the aircrafts and whatnot
User10: ever since that global warming cannot be stopped no moar and we are all doomed
 * apachelogger likes how one always gets to blame GWB for everything ^^
User10: in austria we blame everyone for everything
 * yofel goes finishing kdebase-workspace mess
User10: much less stressful for the invidual person
User10: User2 what I like is when people on telly go like "uhhh, global warming is all a lie, we had snow in like october, how is that global warming!!!"  :D
* apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Work! | Merges https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | Oneiric open for development
User19: how come apacheloggerz can change the topic and I can't?
User10: cuz I am the apacheloggerz
User10: oh
User10: rumor has it that phonon gstreamer 4.5.1 is in the making
User10: User2 is phonon covered by the KDE SRU policy thing?
User19: crap, gotta add Telepathy and Gluon to packaging
User16: just added Bug #776341, if anyone can help with that.
User2: User10 No.  Perhaps it should be.
User12: Launchpad bug 776341 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "nvidia drivers produces unusable black window/dialogs in kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776341
User2: User10 Does it have a sane upstream that really only does bug fixes in point releases?
User10: no
User10: well, history suggests otherwise anyway
User10: probably can be changed though
User2: I think once there's some history of that, it could be added easily enough.
User10: ok, I'll propose it to the phonominals
User2: Now that there's an official KDE policy for point releases, you could just follow that.
User19: WTF
User19: kmix eats 700mb of ram
User2: Adjusting volumes is very complicated.
User19: Veromix ++
User2: I seem to recall some discussion of that being fixed for 4.6.3 or 4.
User19: There is virtually no support for Pulse Audio in KMix
User2: Works for me.
User10: User19 sure there is
User10: colin is working on it
User10: every now and then again
User2: Actually Natty is the first time since I can't remember when I can do a fresh install, install skype, and it just works with no tweaking.
User2: That's progress.
User10: isnt PA sweetest if set up properly ;)
User21: in natty's plasma netbook, is firefox supposed to work with the menu plasmoid?
User19: Kaption > KSnapshot
User21: im being told the menu plasmoid is disappearing when my friend uses firefox, but the menu's also not showing in firefox
User10: User19 kaption?
User21: so she's having to do the chrome-ish "press alt+f to see the menu"
User19: Yeah
User10: what is it
User10: !info kaption
User12: Package kaption does not exist in natty
User8: well, appmenu seems to have issues with firefox both in gtk and qt from what I hear
User19: User10 crap, gotta go, edwardperkins@example.net
User8: mozilla in general
User10: back when I was actually doing stuff we would have had it in the archive already
User10: User21 WFM
User8: User21 maybe check if firefox-globalmenu is installed
User19: User10 Version 0.0.9, I don't want it in archive until it's somehow complete
User21: User8 she said if she alt+f then the menu appears all scrunched up in the corner, which sounds like it is going into the menu plasmoid, the menu plasmoid is just playing hide-n-go-seek
User10: User19 back when I was actually doing stuff we would have had it in the archive already
User19: User10 http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/kaptionc11356.png
User8: I'm clueless then
User19: if that's support then thanks
User10: User21 maybe a rendering bug
User2: User21 Menu works fine here with other apps, so I suspect blaming the menu thing is the wrong place to look.
User21: think i need to see over her shoulder
User19: + 700mb for KMix is like "lolwtf
User21: maybe i can get an imagebin from her
User2: You'll be glad to know that VNC doesn't work with compositing enabled.
User10: User19 there is a lord memleak
User10: not particularly kmix' fault
User2: User10 Could you perhaps consider extending our Dr. Konqi patch to know about finding dbgsym packages?
User8: wth is a 'vritual thunk' ?
User8: #MISSING: 4:4.6.3# (c++)"virtual thunk to Solibd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5fControlbd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5fIfacesbd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5fModemGsmSmsInterbd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5f~ModemGsmSmsInterface()@Base" 4:4.5.80
User21: *blink*
User21: User9 being the assignee on a bug doesn't subscribe you? how weird
User21: erm
User21: bug?
User21: s/bug/blueprint/
User20: maco meant: "blueprint?"
User21: 2 lines before that, silly bot!
User2: User21 No.  Creating it doesn't either.
User15: lol
User10: User2 you mean kubuntu-debug-installer?
User2: User10 Yeah.  That one.
User8: hm, true, would be nice if that could add ddebs repos
User10: yeah, just thought about that yesterday ^^
User10: thing is that the logic is not terribly easy to get right
User10: though...
User10: I belive libqapt has a parser for the sources.list[.d] now, so that should make things better
User2: Would it help if we got it added to the default sources.list?
User10: User2 well, a user might already have it in sources.list.d (IIRC the wiki on debugging gives a cmd sequence for that)
User8: well, I would only vote for that if you could easily disable it in software-properties..
User8: yep
User2: User8 I was thinking in the sources.list, but disabled by default.
User10: ah
User10: User2 that does not make much a difference
User8: right
User10: there are 2 approaches to the whole thing
User10: a) persitent b) not so much ;)
User10: a) would add ddebs and leave it there, whereas b) would add ddebs, try to get stuff, and then remove ddebs again
User2: One of the issues would be that the ddebs repository has a different key that's not included in the standard install.
User10: latter is probably more expensive as we'd need to update the cache every time
User10: but better default behaviour
User10: it could be a config option somewhere I suppose
User2: User21 Just installed firefox on my netbook and the menu thing appears to work.
User22: User10 you all lost shadeslayer. He's playing with Unity and "loves it!"
User2: We'd have lost him to back problems due to his large laptop soon anyway.
User10: User22 he's making a broken browser, clearly he should love a broken desktop shell :P
User2: User10 Apparently broken browsers are all the rage.
User10: I wonder why though
User22: User10 he's also working on telepathy which is a broken too :p
User2: Historically non-broken browsers are pretty tough to find.
User10: User22 true
 * apachelogger pokes the shadeslayer
User23: Say, do we want the community-supported Qt Jambi?
User10: ScottK, User9 when are you arriving in the land of spas?
User23: (I see the old Trolltech 4.4.x version was removed)
User10: User23 if it is well maintained
User2: User10 Apparently I am scheduled to be at the edwardperkins@example.net.
User10: woosh, also that early
User9: User10 sunday evening
User10: ScottK, User19 fancy some sight seeing or stuff in the afternoons?
User10: then I'd be trying to catch an earlier train
User2: Perhaps.  Depends on my fatigue level.
User10: *nod*
User22: User10 he's fixing ffriend's unity
 * jussi is arriving to budapest at 0950 on the sunday
User10: User15 sightseeing?
User15: User10 likely. 
 * apachelogger could be in budapest around 1pm
User10: well, actually I could be there earlier, but that is the earliest fast connection ^^
User15: as long as I get a chance to ump my bags somewhere - Im not hauling them around...
User24: User7 pong
User24: User7 i'm all for userconfig going upstream
User24: User7 but as Riddell said, i'm not really maintaining it and it would be great if you could take over
User7: User24 great!
User7: thanks ;)
User10: User15 surely we could drop them at the hotel
User19: hmmm good idea apachelogger
User19: though I got a bunch of stuff I want to read but that can be done in sleeping time
User10: well, just a suggestion
User19: User15 0950? woah. earlier than me :D
User10: I have no problem getting up at 9 and arriving at 15 :P
User10: supposedly arriving at 1500 is still enough time to conduct proper sight seeing :P
 * apachelogger finds most european cities rather dull
User2: User15 I'm scheduled to arrive at 0930, so maybe I'll see you at the airport.
User19: I bet we will end up in a bar or restaurant drinking beer if we go with you apachelogger
User15: User2 sounds good
User10: oh my, how did you know ^^
User15: lol
User8: ^^
User2: User15 You should add yourself to the wiki page of Kubuntu attendees.
User15: User2 oh?
User10: sight seeing with User10 before 10am = coffe; after 10am = pub
User2: User15 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O
User19: You sound like it was THAT hard to guess :P
User15: User10 where do the fluffy sights fit into that?
User10: User19 you dont even know me IRL, I have been told I am much worse than one would imagine :P
 * Quintasan is really considering brining two mats for Stepmania
User10: User15 if you are drunk you dont need to walk a lot too see fun things
User19: apachelogger dancing to YMCA would be a hillarious sight
User15: User19 oh, definately do so
User10: User15 besides, a city must e judged by its pubs
User2: User10 I'd have said you're much 'more' in real life, not necessarily worse.
User10: oh
User19: User15 You got some simfiles? I have mostly Japanese and a few so-called irish songs
User10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e54m6XOpRgU
User10: please study
User15: User19 no, Ive got nothing... but when going to uds, multiples are always appreciated.
User10: we need to dance at UDS 
 * jussi must remember lots of salmiakki
User15: salmiakki kossu
User19: User15 Got a camera? We gotta really capture this
User19: DEM BONES
 * apachelogger hugs ScottK
User2: User21 BTW, I renamed your accessibility spec so it would display reasonably on the schedule.
 * apachelogger practises
User19: IT'S FUN TO edwardperkins@example.net. M. C. A.
User10: sing that with DVCS
User10: then think of bzr and it all makes so much more sense
User19: lol!
User19: IT'S FUN TO STAY THE... D. V. C. S.!
User21: User2 ok
 * Quintasan gotta start washing stuff
User10: User19 GTL?
 * apachelogger roflz
User19: What?
User19: Plz, stop spouting random nosense at me
User10: dont your read the backlogs
User10: User19 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTL
User19: oh lawd
User19: nah, just laundry :P
User10: bro, you need to stay fresh! :P
User19: Yeah bro
User19: BROFIST
 * apachelogger giggles away and falls off his chair
User19: User10 http://www.maniacworld.com/internet-bro-fist.jpg
User10: oh myz
User25: in natty i'm unable to login in failsafe mode, and alse other virtual console (ctrl+f1, ctrl+f2, ecc) are disabled. this is a normal thing? it's because i've set a kde private folder?
User26: snikker you might want to try in #kubuntu for help
User25: User26 i've already asked there :-)
User2: If you're using the encrypted home directory, yeah, that wont work.
User25: User2 ok, thank you
User10: User2 did canonical do anything WRT screen setup stuff for natty actually?
User10: didn't see anything in the news
User2: User10 I think so.
 * apachelogger is getting majorly annoyed with krandrtray and is pretty close to rewriting it himself
User2: Debconf on my server that runs natty is now purple.
User10: aubergine!
User8: purple, aubergine sounds somewhat nice and I don't like that
User10: well
User10: we could adopt the fluffy color scheme
User10: introducing a mighty force against the aubergine
 * yofel turns the red color channel to 0
User8: yep, looks nice now :P
 * apachelogger has a mighty migrane again
User7: http://imageshack.us/f/820/wtfjz.png/  <--- wtf ? o_O
User7: (see the directory icon)
User10: new le icons
User15: you know, i think kubuntu's grey scheme is horrible. can has some beautifulness pls?
User2: It's not Kubuntu's.  It's KDE's.
User15: User2 its both. but still, its ugly.
 * jussi attempts to fixor...
User2: Since we have ~no one doing artwork, following upstream is best.
User7: User10 what ?
User10: oh
User10: don't beat me to stress my french here
User10: my oh my
User10: ceux qui sont les icones nouvelles de dossier
User10: or something like that
User10: at any rate they are the new folder icons, though I would wonder why you've got them
User10: they ought only be in the rocking new oxygen
User10: great, my qt refuses to do the compiling
User10: -.-
User27: Since natty the sidebar in Miro (which is a gtk tableview) has a rendering error when using Kubuntu. Is there a known gtk list view rendering bug in kubuntu natty?
User10: *shrug*
User27: sorry, tableview, not list view
User7: User10 I don't know why I got them... o_O
User10: User27 do you like have a snapshot or something?
User7: well, back to home
User27: User10 the error is less bad, but it happens with the old miro in the repository as well
User27: User10 i'd really like to fix it before we release the new 4.0 though
User8: User27 how to reproduce?
User10: User20 order painkiller
 * kubotu slides awesome pain killing painkillers down the bar to apachelogger. Good ride!
User27: User8 apt-get install miro
User19: oh snap
User19: grub is borked on mah lapotopz
User10: it is not your laptopz!
User27: User8 beware though, it installs lots gnome-ish stuff
User8: nah, I have half of gnome installed
User8: User27 looks like this here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/miro.png
User27: User8 interesting, so it doesn't happen with you
User27: User8 thx a lot
User10: http://i.imgur.com/bq9aN.png
User19: lolwut
User19: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
User19: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat 'aufs'
User19: wtf
User15: User19 dont you need to specifit the --root-directory=/
 * yofel blames the live disk ^^
User10: hm
User8: User15 not sure, I never do that, but I always chroot
User10: either dragon or pvlc or libvlc or all 3 of them are broken
User15: User8 never works without it for me
User15: User10 all of them!! :P
User10: User27 what is broken there?
User27: apachelogger, User8 http://bugzilla.pculture.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17209
User12: bugzilla.pculture.org bug 17209 in Sidebar Items "Rendering error in Kubuntu Natty" [Major,New]
User6: my system freezing whenever I am trying to connect to any wifi network :( I switched to gnome's network manager, but its also not working :(
User27: apachelogger, User8 i can even reproduce it on a fresh natty install
User10: User27 that line thingy?
User19: User8 ur right
User19: its broken
User19: lol
User19: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/700910
User12: Ubuntu bug 700910 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Unable to install GRUB2 to the same device as contains aufs in natty" [Undecided,Incomplete]
User10: ah righto
User2: User6 Then it's not really Kubuntu specific.  It's probably a kernel issue and your wifi driver.
User27: User10 yes
User8: User6 not sure if that would help... if your system freezes I would blame either driver and/or kernel itself
User10: User27 quite honstely that looks to me like the theme overload is incomplete
User6: User2 which is the appropriate channel for this?
User10: or whatever one would call it
User2: User6 #ubuntu
User10: User27 try to get hold of someone in #oxygen they make the gtk oxygen theme and surely could tell you what might be going wrong there
User27: User10 it happens with other themes as well
User10: then it is hardly kubuntu specific
User10: but rather a general issue with the GTK class
User27: well it works in ubuntu :/
User10: that does not make sense
User10: what are other themese then?
User27: User10 oh, sorry you are right. it's oxygen
User10: see :P
User27: (-:
User27: stupid me forgot to change the theme in GTK appearance
User27: User10 i'll talk to oxygen, thanks a lot
User10: yw, good luck
User2: Once again apachelogger has demonstrated that Kubuntu is total crap as KDE distros go.
User2: ;-)
User10: the worst ever
User28: is it just me, but as a long time KDE user who has seen many changes over the years,  and is n ot afraid of that,  or is Unity and/or gnome shell just pure *meh* ?
User28: or am I just jades by the awesomeness that is Kubuntu?
User28: s/jades/jaded
User10: people hate the change
User10: must be part of the reason why I am not actually giving on mars or something
User8: User28 well, I find it somewhat usable, unity more than g-shell actually. My problems are that you can't really configure anything, and that 3D desktop and 2D desktop look totally different
User8: KDE ftw!
User28: User8 I just find them boring, though that may be a good thing
User28: they both do the job as far as i have used them, just dull
User10: User8 I find unity-2d more usable than unity
User8: true, -2d works at least, 3d gave me compiz crashes most of the time
User10: User28 better to get the job done than to have a bazillion widgets of which 90% memleak and 30% crash the whole freaking desktop :D
User28: User10 what are *you* using? :)
User8: that would be funny if it weren't true...
User28: though I must have the better luck, I seldom have crashes or the like
User10: User28 windows xp
User10: dell took my windows seven away :(
User28: ahhh
User10: bstrds
User8: it's not like w7 is any better than xp, so who cares
User10: oh but it is
User8: well, ok, the panel is ince
User8: *nice
User10: not just the panel
User28: the mrs is currently using vista, somehow she gets no crash, no virii, nada. so I can't convince her toi go back to KDE
User10: pwrshell also rox my world
User10: plus visual studio 2010 behaves like utter shit on xp
User10: User28 vista is just the slow
User10: other than that a perfectly fine OS
User10: User28 that said you could hook her up with them fine KDE on windows apps
User28: dunno, I won't touch it anymore since I installed it for her
User10: like gwenviewy
User28: lol
User10: I am sure agateau would appreciate that :D
User8: hm, guess I should try powershell sometime..
User28: she only uses ff/ie and yahoo chat, about 95% of the time
User28: which she could do on her phone
User28: then I could have me 2 laptops
User8: sounds like ubuntu target user
User10: youbuntoo looks like a bole of dirt compared to windows
User10: you can say about the blista what you want but the default theme's colors are just insanely well chosen
User28: User10 color/theme wise, yeah
User10: win even even more so IMHO
User10: s/even/seven
User19: Kubuntu > *
User8: nah, KDE > *
User19: oh yeah
User19: PulseAudio ---
User19: --------- even
User8: bzr--
User8: lp--
User19: w.k.o--
User19: ~karma Quintasan
User20: karma for User19 2
User19: wtf
User19: ~karma apachelogger
User20: karma for User10 11
User19: lol
User28: oh yah, pulse. her usb headset Just Works in vistar,
User8: ~karma
User20: karma for User8 6
User8: :D
User19: ~karma pulse
User20: pulse has neutral karma
User8: ~karma lp
User19: ~karma PulseAudio
User20: karma for lp: -1
User20: karma for PulseAudio: -1
User10: vistarr
User19: That's good
User8: ~karma bzr
User20: karma for bzr: -4
User10: as the pirates use to say
User19: lol
User19: bzr--
User19: ~karma Riddell
User20: karma for User9 13
User19: WINNER
User10: User28 it ought to work in the youbuntoo
User10: User19 oh, wanna bet
User10: User20 karma c
User20: karma for c: 212
User10: there we go
User19: LOL
User8: meh, you beat me to it ^^
User19: C++
User19: ~karma c
User20: karma for c: 213
User28: User10 well she won't go for it
User19: no wonder
User19: xD
User8: yep
User8: c++
User10: User28 I wouldn't go for it either :P
User19: That's cheating btw.
 * claydoh waits for some catastrophic crash
User19: User10 ^^
User10: User28 except vista starts the slow
User10: winseven pwns the vistarr
User10: User19 no it is not
User19: it is lol
User19: ~karma C++
User20: karma for C++: 1
User19: :S
User10: nah, you could just as well go cpp
User19: "C++" ++
User19: ~karma C++
User20: karma for C++: 1
User19: :/
User28: User10 win7=$$ vistar dvd came with my lappy, so i put it oh her OS-less used lappy
User10: but people choose c++ to mention that C is ++
User10: c++++
User19: ~karma C++
User20: karma for C++: 2
User19: LOL
User15: c++++
User15: :D
User28: ~karma for karma:-6
User20: karma:-6 has neutral karma
User10: User28 see, that was the fault right there... if you had installed the kyoubuntoo everything would be fine :P
User19: ~karma karma
User20: karma has neutral karma
User15: karma ++
User15: ~karma karma
User20: karma for karma: 1
User8: ~karma git
User20: karma for git: 1
User28: User10 I did, but she wanted yahoo IM interface, and the "better" skype
User10: she got a point there
 * apachelogger actually wanted to make a better skype for the linux last year
User15: has skype open sourced its front end yet?
User10: but to get the 3rd party api shit you need to sell them your sole and stuff
User28: she IS using libreoffice at least :)
User10: User15 that was just a marketing scam I am sure
User15: User10 bah
User10: if anything they'd opensource their crap linux UI and stop developing it
User10: skype has as much idea about the powa of the free society as rms about the awesomeness of visual studio
User15: smooth tasks is great and all, but "show a launcher for $app when its not running" is borked....
User10: you are weird
User10: smooth tasks is like the most broken implementation of a broken usage idiom that I have ever seen
User7: Someone could merge this branch into kubuntu-packagers ? https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common-4.6.3
User7: also I have updated the wiki (to point to the kubuntu-packagers repositories)
User8: thanks, looking
User8: btw, you have a gpg-agent running?
User7: I have
User7: yes
User7: why ?
User7: ohh
User7: probably because I will push many times...
User7: :\
User8: well, a few dozen packages * 2 password queries for debsign
User8: that's a lot!
User7: indeed
User8: gpg-agent = 1 password entry
User8: hm, I guess I'll start the -natty branch
User8: User7 created https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common-natty
User8: I'll update the wiki
User7: User8 thanks, btw
User7: does anyone moderate kde-core-devel ML, here ?
User7: (just to get things done faster)
User9: no but it's well enough maintained, just have some patience if you've posted to it
User7: ok
User7: :)
User6: the merges link https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html, can we do these merges too?
User9: User6 best to start with universe if it's your first time
User6: User9 where can I get list for universe?
User8: s/main/universe/ ;)
User20: User8 You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
User7: User6 https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html ?
User6: thanks bambee :)
User6: hmmm... there is no option on that page to mention that I am taking the merge work. This may double the work if someone else started it. :/
User19: User10 turn of s/lol/wut
User19: off*
User10: lolwut?
User8: s/lol/wut/
User20: User8 You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
User10: User20 help sed
User20: Fix the previous sentence using regexp and a sed-like syntax. Supported delimiters are /|,! and the modifier "g". Grouping is supported via parens, and backreferencing is done via \1 \2 and so on. You don't have to directly address the bot. Examples: <nick>hello <nick>s/e/u/
 * yofel hits kubotu with a tux statue
User10: hello
User10: s/e/u
User10: User20 youarebrokenbeyondrepair
User19: kill it with fire
User10: cmake-qt-gui
User10: was however came up with that package name on crack or something?
User10: a spaceship is more intuitive than that name
 * shadeslayer pokes apachelogger back
User29: someone broke my dear natty
User29: i demand to know who it was
User8: define "broken"
User29: User8 broken as in keyboard-events-appear-as-weird-characters-hence-i-cannot-login
User29: winduhs works fine
User29: so its not a problem with the hardware
User8: cool
User19: I'm bored and I have to prepare my laptopz for UDS
User29: User19 prepare?
User29: like have stickers of unicorns and stuff
User19: Synergy++
User19: User29 install Youbuntoos etc
User29: User10 i held one of these in my hand today : http://www.perfectpetzzz.com/_Layouts/Resources/PerfectPetzzz/Images/ProductDisplay/All/StBernard.PP91.04BV6.jpg
User29: it's like a ball of fur i tell ya
 * Quintasan wishes he could bind KMenu to Winkey
 * yofel bound krunner to win+space
User29: User19 yeah ... i wish i could do that too
User29: atmost it lasts for one session
User29: oh also ... keyboard magically fixed
User10: User29 it better be .prn
User10: right it wasnt
User10: what a waste of the time
User10: meh
User10: :(
User29: it's not
User29: User10 you poked
User7: User8 then I need to upload kde-l10n to kubuntu-ninjas ?
User7: (I don't find it in kubuntu-ninjas...)
User8: no, you wait until release and then upload to the release PPA
User8: that would be far too much to copy
User7: User8 the script upload-l10n.sh contains "dput ubuntu $change"
User7: (so I need to change it for the upload)
User7: ok I wait until the release
User8: User7 you don't use that
User8: that's for oneiric, and you need to be a kubuntu-dev to use that
User8: you just build, debsign, and dput to the ppa by hand (*.changes works)
User9: for natty you want to just upload kde-l10n-xx to ubuntu
User9: for maverick to the PPA
User8: you're thinking one release backwards
User9: oh hmm
User9: for Oneiric you want to just upload kde-l10n-xx to ubuntu
User9: for natty to the PPA
User9: like that? :)
User8: :D
User7: mhh ok
User7: so I've to debsign each packages by hand ? because all of them are unsigned actually
User7: (using gpg-agent of course)
User8: if you use gpg-agent, you'll run debsign *.changes, be asked for the password once and then watch as it magically signs all
User8: to use a gpg-agent you add 'use-agent' to ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and log out
User8: and you'll need pinentry-qt4
User29: hehe
User29: agateau: around?
User29: oh noes
User29: :(
User29: User4 Happy Birthday!!! :D
User29: User8 Quintasan ever stitched 2 images together in GwenView?
User29: s/V/v
User8: not yet
User29: hmm... because i can't find a way to do that :P
User19: nah
User2: Does  it do that?
User19: no idea
User19: Never seen that option before
User29: time to install gimp then
User13: User2 got some time to sponsor a cmake merge?
User2: How fiddly is it?
User2: If it's an easy one, sure.
User2: If it's really painful, let's make apachelogger do it.
User13: User2 fairly easy, http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/cmake_2.8.4+dfsg.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff
 * apachelogger likes the pain
User2: I'll try to have a look in a bit.
User29: User10 http://i.imgur.com/0Xgpb.png
User4: thank you, shadeslayer!
User30: User9 it seems irn bru is trending on twitter :)
User9: how does one see trending on twitter?
User9: oh aye.  well that's an interesting non-debate and now I want some irn bru
User1: User9 can you setup RAID on the live CD? Because I've only been able to via the alt installer
User9: no you can't
User9: nor LVM
User1: There's the argument for keeping the alt installer around then :P:P
User2: User1 None of those are things that non-tech users need.  You can use the Server installer and then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
User2: Riddell typically does, I'd guess, 80% or more of the ISO testing, so either more testers have to magically appear or we have to test a lot less stuff.
User13: User2 the alt image also provides full disk encryption
User2: True.
User2: Also I think not a non-tech user scenario.
User2: Encrypted home directory is good enough for most.
User2: Live CD supports that.
User2: We can argue edwardperkins@example.net.
User2: Maybe guilt ev into implementing some of it for the Live CD.
User13: User2 do you want to eliminate the alt images completely or just demote them to cdimages.ubuntu.com?
User13: i.e. calling them unsupported
User5: i just submitted 6 feature requests and 5 bugs, go me
User5: whoops, wrong channel :)
User31: ScottK, at work we only use kubuntu alternate images
User2: User31 Why?
User31: ScottK, mainly because of full disk encryption
User2: I used to only use the alternate too, but for several cycles I've been using live and it seems to work out pretty well.
User31: ScottK, but to update the system too
User31: ScottK, does live encrypt the entire disk?
User2: No, just /home directories.
User31: we have really slow internet connection here
User2: Right, but with a local mirror you could still just download once.
User2: It'd be interesting to see how much stuff can be added to the live image.
User2: BTW, you can use the live image for upgrades, AIUI.
User31: so, to make a command-line installation and then download the entire kubuntu stack is not viable
User2: OK.
User2: Not even from a locall mirror?
User2: debmirror or such is easy enough to set up.
User31: ScottK, we dont have a dedicated server as local mirror, then i setup one i my laptop
User2: Doesn't need to be dedicated.  Any server/workstation with a persistent connection would do.
User2: In any case, I think it's worth discussing or getting the people that want the alternate to stick around to commit to testing it.
User31: ScottK, the situation would be even worse when there is only dial-up internet connection
User2: True.
User31: the small cities in the middle of the amazon rain forest
User2: So you need full disk encryption + upgrades, right?
User31: yup
User2: I think upgrades you can already do.
User31: i did not tested yet upgrading via live cd
User31: ScottK, i really would like to help to maintain the alternate image, but i think i would not manage  to do the image testing and the other tasks :'(
User2: Could you do that this week so we'll know.
User31: oki
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User19: Good night!
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