User1: Hi, folks, Does any know how many kinds of arm assembly language standard exist? I'm very confused by the difference between different arm assembly standard.
User1: Say the UAL(Unified Assembly Language) and GNU as are different. Is any more standard about arm assembly lanuage?
User2: Where is the boot.img file? http://lilstevie.geek.nz/downloads
User2: It always goes to black screen
User2: Downloaded: http://lilstevie.geek.nz/downloads/OLiFE-Prime-Edition.tar.gz_1.2a_TF101_767779ccfa200e5e00b2f1e33a3d73a9
User2: Downloaded: http://lilstevie.geek.nz/downloads/OLiFE.tar.gz_1.2a_TF101_c30263fd8271a23bb211fd9fdd69fa45
User3: good morning
User4: User5 ping
User4: User5 I replied on the bug
User5: User4 thanks for the quick reply. /me is checking
User5: User4 execuse me, which bug you mentioned?
User4: User5 bug 1078356
User6: Launchpad bug 1078356 in Arndale "usb 3.0 support" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078356
User5: User4 thanks I see it
User5: User4 one more question, can you point me where I can clone the git tree for the binary?
User4: User5 http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=kernel/linux-linaro-tracking.git linux-linaro branch
User5: thanks a lot
User4: User5 all the details are available in the changelog (including config fragments)
User5: User4 the kernel oops at s5p_usb_phy_init+0x56/0x1a8, is that possible that we might have different hardware?
 * ikepanhc is posting the full log on bug
User4: User5 I'm not that different hardware are available. I guess we have the same.
User4: User5 I experienced kernel oops too, reported in a separate bug (seems related to toolchain)
User4: User5 do you have something connected on usb when you boot?
User5: User4 yes, a usb2ethernet
User4: could remove it and see if you still get the oops?
User4: +you
User5: hmm, a little bit hard, its far away from me and I need someone do that for me
User5: I will try to ask. thanks for the suggestion
User4: User5 I observed strange behavior depending on the peripherals connected
User4: User5 I don't know the root cause but it could be hardware
User5: User4 including oops of ohci_irq?
User4: User5 yes, I have random oops if I plug something on ethernet or usb, both are connected on the same bus
User5: User4 I see that too, the value of regs in ohci_irq() is NULL and the funciton using it
User5: User4 probably the first interrupt comes before everything initial, this is my guess
User5: User4 this is the dirty workaround I have http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=hwe/ubuntu-quantal-arndale.git;a=blobdiff;f=drivers/usb/host/ohci-hcd.c;h=88678526688de06d6ddb142f22fe40ec1596dd9e;hp=4a1d64d92338e7653035b054decf6e714909a41f;hb=d206e0141339b25724445ba79cfb7ec7b57bc5c1;hpb=08ff89b94bc54d91df7fcb8800c8aeb6a1fff072
User4: User5 it worths a try. it could be the same root cause as my oops with ethernet/sata
User4: I'll apply and test
User5: glad I can help
User4: User5 according to tushar, plugging an usb device might be just avoiding that ATM (probing, enumeration might be taking some time)
 * ikepanhc nods. but I can only remove access to the hardware, ethernet is critical to me :(
User5: s/remove/remote
User7: User8 I'm playing with ubuntu on this nexus 7, any ideas how to get another shell up?  I've installed plasma-active but I can't seem to persuade lightdm to launch it as the autologin session
User8: i think it should respect ~/.dmrc, not sure
User7: nope, it just changes that back to ubuntu when I change it
User8: Riddell, hmm, i guess thats a question for the desktop team then, i dont see any way to change the session in lightdm here
User8: looks like they dropped the UI element for that
User8: there should be a config file for lightdm though, where you should be able to force the default
User7: I did find that somehow but then there's no way to type in a password
User8: /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf has user-session=
User8: you need to enable the keyboard in the panel
User8: (we default to autologin, so the greeter didnt see much love yet)
User8: there should be an a11y icon
User7: User8 whee I got it running
User7: alas the touchscreen seems not to be working
User7: I wonder what enabled that to function
User9: User8 Hmm I have installed today's raring image for nexus 7, I get graphical corruption in the background of OEM config and then I'm stuck on "Who are you?" after configuring the wifi; are these known issues and is there a workaround?
User8: lool, a reboot fixes the focus error
User8: lool, wallpaper issue is known and filed as well, just ignore it :)
User9: Ok; hard-resetting then
User9: User8 is there a bug for the focus issue?
User8: yep, but i'm not at a machine where i can look it up quickly, i'll give you the number later
User8: lool, xnox is working on that afaik
 * xnox is going to add g-s-d hacks to paint background such that everyone stops bugging me about it.
User10: but that will not fix background for Xubuntu/Lubuntu/Studio/Mythbuntu
User10: =((((
User9: Shouldn't it be at least black?
User9: that seems like a driver bug somewhere
User8: yes, thats another issue that has several incarnations
User8: the driver doesnt properly clean up if you shut down X ... booting without splash you actuallly see the content of the desktop on last shutdown for a second when lightdm starts
User8: iirc that was communicated to nvidia
User11: probably because Android does not use framebuffer directly, I kinda wonder how do they draw to screen Oo
User8: we dont use any android bits :)
User8: there is an actual xorg driver in use
User8: which has the bug
User11: not only that, everything which writes directly to framebuffer has that bug
User11: fb's content is not erased after reboot
User12: hmm, would the fix be simply to erase the contents of the framebuffer before enabling the display (in-kernel, I guess)? (can you do anything else if, say, the kernel crashes or gets stuck and is later rebooted?)
User12: (I've seen very similar things on regular desktop computers with some X drivers as well, so I think it's been quite common at least in the past - e.g., kill an X server and go back to a text console, then restart X, and it was quite common in the past that the previous screen contents were briefly visible before X cleared the display)
User11: I just set the whole framebuffer to "black" before I do first update.
User11: on ubuntu's kernel, it was more visible because of the console text/graphic mode switch, maybe it is needed to "erase" fb even before that happens (?)
User9: User8 Seems the daily-preinstalled images for nexus 7 / raring have stopped building since the 24th; can't find more recent logs; any idea why?
User8: lool, DC breakage
User9: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/raring/ stops at the 24th
User9: User8 :-/
User8: lool, todays build should be running right now, they managed to fix it today
User8: the livefs builder broke and we have no fallback ... and there was nobody to go physically to the board to bring it up again
User8: (it isnt in the mandabox)
User9: ok
User8: there is hope we'll get a fallback builder soon
User8: its quite hard with one livefs builder for all arm images and flavours
User13: User14 aarch64 porting meeting?
User8: janimo, hey ... should i drop the matrix stuff from acceld now ?
User14: User13 The one that's in Finnish? :)
User13: yes
User15: ogra_, no, far from it
User15: the g-s-d change is just  a small part of the picture
User8: ah, ok, your changelog entry sounded hopeful
User15: I still need the kernel/udev rules in place
User14: User13 Was it a G+ hangout?  Link me.
User15: well,some of g-s-d rotations are fixed
User15: but orientation detection relies on kernel support which we do not have yet
User14: User13 (Sorry, a bit scatterbrained today, tag-team debugging initramfs-tools with a user)
User15: but it's next on my todo
User13: User14 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/da41dcc2462a4ed93ec4e603dcfff109b6004142
User8: ah
User15: ogra_, this was a change to the gsd xrandr plugin, the other part is the orientation plugin
User8: janimo, also add a joystick device so we can use games by accelerometer ;)
User16: User8 the serial stuff is working great for login on n7, but is there a way to make the kernel messages and early boot stuff when it unpacks the rootfs go there also? Specifying it as one of the console= doesn't seems to be sufficient.
User8: while you fix the kernel
User15: ogra_, what could be done but I don't think it's worth the trouble is using dbus-send to ask gsd to rotate instead of manually calling xrandr and xinput
User15: but no real gain
User15: ogra_, yes, it actually needs to be exposed as a joystick in order for gsd to talk to it :)
User8: plars, nope, the serial bit comes from a USB driver, it can only start once that is loaded, cant log anything before
User15: but only axis and no shoot button
User16: User8 ok
User8: janimo, pfft, users can buy a bluetooth button for that :P
User15: or play non-violent games where you just cruise in a spaceship but don't shoot anything
User8: haha
User15: plars, thanks for reminding me serial login exists. I have annoying lags and lockups via wifi/ssh
User8: well, sadly serial login also eats our battery
User16: User8 oh, really?
User8: there seems to be a bug in either the g_serial driver or in getty, yeah
User8: which causes a ton of wakeups per second currently ... check with htop, you will see ttyGS0 in the top CPU consumers
User15: well, while you're on serial you're also plugged in no?
User8: heh, yeah, you should
User16: User15 well, yes but I can easily drain more battery than I'm charging
User16: User15 and considering we'd like to do some power testing in an automated way, this could complicate things a bit
User8: it definitely causes a lot of CPU load atm
User8: i know cking will look at it though
User8: but he seems to be off today
User16: ogra_, User15 we may end up having to test install differently and just keep a system upgrading, still not having much luck with the preseeding. Does the kernel upgrade properly now? I seem to recall that being an issue at some point
User8: kernel is fine
User16: awesome
User8: upgrades from quantal to raring have issues
User8: nobody plans to fix that though
User16: User8 yeah, don't need that
User8: wow, the settings i just uploaded actually bring the system load to a sane value on the nx7
User8: !!
User8: finally a default load below 1
User15: ogra_, what changed?
User8: janimo, i just added an upstart job that applies the same settings as in init.grouper.rc for the cpufreq governor
User8: we switched to the interactive governor a while ago, which already improved over ondemand but never used the options android uses for it
User15: ogra_, nice
User8: yeah, i'm quite impressed what such a small change does
User8: having an idle load below 0.10 if you had it above 1 all the time is quite great
User17: I'm currently running this on my galaxy note: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1845631
User17: however it's ubuntu 10.10 and it seems the deb files for an update have all length 0
User8: better talk to the creator of that chroot then
User11: well, it is two and a half years old, repositories are probably down already
User17: is there a more recent arm image for v7 that I can use as a drop in replacement?
User8: oh, right
User11: I suppose you can use nexus 7's images when it is just chroot
User17: thanks Tassadar, is there a link for that?
User8: well, depends how many hacks that chroot has :)
User11: yeah, gimme a while, I'm reading the thread
User8: theoretically do-release-update should just DTRT and set the sources.list to old-releases.ubuntu.com
User8: and upgrade you
User17: I guess a release upgrade should work, however the image is rather small
User11: yeah, 1.6gb?
User17: compressed, if installed it leaves about 1 gig free
User11: what is total size of the .img file?
User17: about 3G
User18: Wow, I just did "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" and now my ubuntu installation on my nexus7 reads the X mouse location along the Y axis and vis versa!  It's really weird!  You can start apps (listed along the left side) by touching along the top of the screen.  You can get to top screen menus by touching along the right side!  Some fix since yesterday (when I did the last upgrade) has really screwed up mouse positions!
User8: LisaNori, use the serial shell and upgrade again, there was a small window where kernel and userspace were out of sync today
User11: User17 I guess that is not enough to do the upgrade
User8: just another upgrade should fix it
User17: User11 yeah that's why I'd like some torrent with a more recent image
User18: I did the upgrade just a few minutes ago.  I don't have a way to attach a USB keyboard.  I'll see if i can ssh in.
User8: weird, if it was a few mins ago all should be fine
User17: User18 I suppose you're not talking about just a chroot?
User18: nope
User8: the nexus7 is nbative
User8: *native
User8: LisaNori, was that a raring install or did you upgrade from a quantal demo image ?
User11: I'd say there isn't one you can _just_ drop in, but you could make one from the nexus 7's I suppose, the chroot seems pretty much okay
User8: LisaNori, (the original installation i mean)
User18: It was a raring install (using the dual boot capability).  Worked fine yesterday.  Worked fine when I turned it on today.  Screwed after I did upgrade and rebooted.
User8: oh, dual boot, hmm
User11: let me try ti
User11: it
User17: is the nexus 7 grantrenee@example.net or something like that?
User8: if you can ssh in, check the kernel version
User8: mosasaur, 13.04
User17: OK :-)
 * Tassadar is rebooting to ubuntu on his n7 to try update
User8: smells like the kernel wasnt updated
User8: we grantrenee@example.net
User18: apparently ssh isn't enabled and the onscreen keyboard is useless now.  I'll try using "adb shell".
User8: uname -r should tell
User11: won't work, if you are on linux, just plug it in and type "screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200"
User8: we run a serial login on the USB port in the default ubuntu image (no idea if that applies to the dual boot image)
User11: (and then your username and enter, even if it does not show anything in terminal)
User8: right, follow Tassadar
User18: Cool!  That worked fine!  I'm in.
User8: well, uname -r
User18: 3.1.10-8-nexus7
User8: aha
User8: there is your prob
User18: :)  ?
User8: your kernel wasnt upgraded, no idea why, i only work with the official image
User8: but i guess Tassadar can help you :)
User11: User18 tell me what "ls -l /boot | grep vmlinuz" shows you
User18: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      23 Jan 24 17:40 vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-3.1.10-8-nexus7
User18: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4523920 Jan 24 13:35 vmlinuz-3.1.10-8-nexus7
User11: Oo
User11: okay, just wait until I update my installation
User8: sudo apt-get install linux-nexus7
User8: try that
User8: the kernel wont be upgraded is the metapackage isnt installed
User8: seems thats missing from your setup
User8: s/is/if/
User18: running now...
User8: it should pull in 3.1.10-9-nexus7 alongside
User11: does it install also flash-kernel
User11: ?
User8: i dont think so
User11: I wonder how could "linux-nexus7" be missing
User11: *can/whatever-the-correct-english-is
User8: no idea
User18: in order to install using multirom, I followed the instructions here:  http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403
User18: Ok, so, now I do "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" and reboot?
User8: just reboot should be fine if you see 3.1.10-9-nexus7 in /boot/
User11: User18 when did you install ubuntu, like from which that was the image you installed via recovery?
User11: at least roughly
User18: Following the instructions on the page I mentioned above, I followed the link "here" in step 2 under "Adding ROMs".  That's the image I loaded.
User18: http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=1359&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.xda-developers.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2011403&v=1&libid=1359481624518&out=http%3A%2F%2Fcdimage.ubuntu.com%2Fdaily-preinstalled%2Fcurrent%2F&title=%5BWiFi%263G%5D%20MultiROM%20v6%20-%20xda-developers&txt=here&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13594818010172
User11: those images are built daily, every day there is different image,  I wanna know when did you download it
User18: Of course, I followed those instructions about a week or two ago, so it would have been a different image there at the time.
User8: cat /var/log/installer/media-info
User18: Let me see if I still have the image I loaded around somewhere.
User8: that should tell from when the installation is
User8: if it uses our tarballs as a source at least
User18: root@rajnexus7:/boot# cat /var/log/installer/media-info
User18: cat: /var/log/installer/media-info: No such file or directory
User11: It should not matter, I just want to know to be sure it is not like some acient image or something like that
User11: and if it was week or two then it is enough, you don't have to look for the file
User8: hmm, so its not our tarball or the install pre-dates the addition of build stamps
User18: Ok, the image I downloaded is dated Jan 23, 17:48
User11: yeah, I don't use the installer
User8: not at all ?
User11: no, it just extracts the image
User8: i mean the graphical part for user setup etc
User8: it does some kind of important configuration bits
User11: I thought that the installer which extracts tar.gz archive creates that file...
User8: oh, right, it copies it from the initial initrd
User8: we ship it originally in the initrd
 * ogra_ forgot about that step, sorry
User8: so it cant be in the tarball indeed
User18: I rebooted and it works fine now.  Thanks a lot!
User8: unless your re-packaging scripts copy it :)
User11: looks like mine also did not update to newest kernel Oo
User8: well, i'm pretty sure linux-nexus7 is in the tarball :)
User11: aah, yeah, that's why
User11: flash-kernel is tied to linux-nexus7
User11: and I do "apt-get -y purge ac100-tarball-installer flash-kernel"
User11: because I really don't want to have flash-kernel when dual bootin
User11: g
User11: chmm
User8: you could try an evil hack and export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1 in 7etc7environment or so
User8: then f-k becomes a no-op
User8: or at least it should, if you find a place where it doesnt thats a bug
User8: */etc/environment
User11: User18 you probably won't be able to boot into android now
User11: try to do "apt-get purge flash-kernel" and before you confirm it, tell me what packages will it remove
User11: or, better yet, "dpkg --remove flash-kernel" should remove only that package
User11: User8 is that right?
User18: Here's the output from "apt-get purge flash-kernel":
User18: Reading package lists... Done
User18: Building dependency tree
User18: Reading state information... Done
User18: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
User18: abootimg apt-clone archdetect-deb dmraid dpkg-repack gir1.2-json-1.0
User18: gir1.2-timezonemap-1.0 gir1.2-xkl-1.0 kpartx kpartx-boot libdebconfclient0
User18: libdebian-installer4 libdevmapper-event1.02.1 libdmraid1.0.0.rc16 lvm2
User18: os-prober python3-pyicu rdate thunderbird-locale-en thunderbird-locale-en-gb
User18: thunderbird-locale-en-us uboot-envtools uboot-mkimage
User18: Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
User18: The following packages will be REMOVED:
User18: flash-kernel*
User18: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
User18: After this operation, 135 kB disk space will be freed.
User18: Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
User11: yeah, you can proceed, just press y, it will remove only that package
User11: and then "echo "flash-kernel hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections", to be sure it will never install again
User18: what is this accomplishing, exactly?
User11: flash-kernel flashes ubuntu kernel to main boot partition, replacing android
User11: you don't want that when dual-booting
User18: Yep, that makes sense.
User11: you will probably have to restore boot.img from backup or something, that apt-get install linux-nexus7 probably already flashed ubuntu's kernel :/
User18: Ok.  Done.
User18: I just finished shutting down linux and booting android just fine, then rebooted to linux.
User11: well...then it's all good, but if there was any update to that kernel, it would flash it
User11: ...and I have to fix the recovery not to remove linux-nexus7 package, and I don't have any idea why does it do that in the first place
User18: Just rebooted into android again just fine, so I guess everything's ok.  I tend to leave it running ubuntu most of the time though.  :)
User11: hmm
User11: you did not do "dist-upgrade", did you?
User11: like you were always doing "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade", right?
User18: no, I always go "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade".
User11: I think that linux-nexus7 was there, but normal upgrade did not update it because it would require installing new packages
User11: at least dpkg.log says so
User11: anyway, I should entirely disable that package when installing ubuntu, we _really_ don't want it
User11: I mean flash-kernel
User8: Tassadar, ah, yeah, that could be, you indeed always want to dist-upgrade
User8: especially in development releases where dependencies can change around
User11: hm, the older kernel was not removed
User8: nope
User8: no ubuntu does that
User14: apt-get --purge autoremove
User14: But we keep two by default.
User11: at least initrd.img symlink is okay now
User8: ogra@anubis:~$ ls -l /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-*|wc -l
User8: 11
User8: thats my x86 desktop
User11: dammit, just 10 on my debian)
User8: but yeah, the autoremove would clean them up
User11: I'm just thinking of a way to choose correct initrd now)
User8: except that i cant use it because it would remove packages i still want around
User8: Tassadar, ?
User8: it is always /boot/initrd.img
User8: which is always a symlink to the latest
User11: yeah, problem is it was not, before this update initrd.img was some rubbish 23 bytes long file
User8: why is that ?
User11: and I haven't realized that there can be more than one kernel, so I searched for "initrd-*"
User11: I dunno, you're the guy)
User11: it is like that in the image
User8: well, indeed it is, the installer cares for creating a proper initrd that matches the HW diuring install
User11: the graphical part?
User8: the part after it
User11: ooh, nice)
User11: then it's no problem and I can just use the symlink
User8: the part that removes the installer (which you definitely dont want on an installed system)
User8: in the end it runs update-initramfs
User8: though note that there is an existing initrd already from the unpacking stage
User11: yeah...in the image there should always be just one initrd, right?
User8: i'm not sure how all these steps behave if there isnt a file at all or a broken symlink or whatever is 23byte big there
User8: since thats not a usecase that could happen in a normal install
User8: anyway, i'll call it a day now
 * ogra_ is off
User8: bug #1109197
User6: Launchpad bug 1109197 in ac100-tarball-installer (Ubuntu) "fails to preserve mtimes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1109197
User19: anyone knows how to disable touchpad on the tf101? I've tried "xinput --set-prop "Virtual core XTEST pointer" "Device Enabled" 0" but it doesn't work.. It even made X crash.. :(
User19: I got it! you can turn off gondor's alarm fire lights!
User20: today I installed ubuntu on my nexus7. later i managed to set up everything to compile the kernel but I miss some information how to install the kernel image.
User10: it's funny. somehow one should generate boot.img and then you can flash it with fastboot
User10: checkout scripts in the ubuntu-nexus7 project branches.
User21: sudo apt-get install abootimg (or something like that)
User10: unless there is userspace way to do it.
User10: User21 ah, didn't know that abootimg works on nexus7.
User21: User10 biit.img is AFAIk a standard format
User21: boot.img
 * XorA does not have nexus 7 to break
User10: User21 ah, ok. Cause like on panda & ac100 there is flashkernel as well which can update kernel in the correct partitions while running ubuntu on device. Such that one doesn't need to use external machine / boot into flashing mode.
User21: although I do remember the Android SDK version having some extra options which were essential for booting some boards
User20: i have seen abootimg. it somhow packs together the kernel with some other files.
User14: flash-kernel works perfectly fine on the nexus7 too.
User20: can i simply take the other files from the existing img?
User14: (It does, indeed, leverage abootimg along the way)
User14: If you're building your kernels via the ubuntu kernel source and, thus, making shiny .deb packages, just installing the package will take care of the rest.
User8: if you use the ubuntu kernel source package, just install the package the buiuld produces with dpkg -i
User8: *snap*
User8: :)
User14: If you're doing the whole mess by hand, you'll want to generate an initramf, then run flash-kernel against your version.
User14: s/initramf/initramfs/
User8: not even i do that by hand
 * ogra_ uses dpkg -i and then dd's /dev/mmcblk0p2 to an img file
User8: all steps inbetween are automatic that way
User20: i wanted to try out if i can make usbnet work. would be fine if i could use usb to transfer files to the nexus7
User8: you surely can, but will have to disable the g_serial setup then
User8: (including the upstart job that runs getty on the werial line)
User8: *serial
User8: by default the usb port is set up as usb serial console
User20: if i can have usbnet i should be able to use ssh and dont need the serial any more
User8: well, true indeed
User8: dont you have a wlan ?
User20: yes till now i connected via wlan. it worked but i had to use an additional old fritzbox due to lack of any other wlan devices
User8: ah, yeah, thats bad
User20: i thought usb is a neater solution. i was wondering why i hadnt found anything regarding usbnet on nexus7 yet
User8: well, while usb is a neater solution, the kernel recieves regular fixes so you likelz have to recompile a lot if you want to keep track
User22: nils__, there is an android package for reverse teathering over usb
User20: any idea where the right place for further details about hacking nexus7 is - maybe except of this chat.
User20: scientes but i am running ubuntu
User22: yeah i relize that now
User8: well, here and in #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-desktop i'd say
User20: thanks for your thoughts. much appreciated.
User8: nils__, i was pondering to actually try the g_composite driver instead of g_serial but havent gotten around to test it yet
User8: composite should actually be able to provide both
User11: s
User20: thanks ogra, I will try to install my kernel tomorrow. actually  just at the beginning. great device. my first mobile gadget with linux.
User8: :)
User21: User20 its a bit fancier than my first mobile linux device :_D
User8: haha, yeah
User8: when i had my first B/W ipaq the nexus7 would have been a supercomputer
User8: or at least a very powerful server
User20: ogra, I see you also blog about the Nexus7 status.
User8: well, only the meeting announcements but yeah
User8: others definitely have blogged more and more intresting stuff :)
User20: so there's another source where I can gather some infos.
User20: nice. thanks a lot. cheers.
User8: most of the blogs that are related to ubuntu on the nexus7 are aggregated on planet.ubuntu.com
 * XorA should stick OZ on nexus for old times sake!
User8: it should fly
User21: be interesting compared to plasma desktop
User8: heh
User8: or unity
User21: GPE -> Unity and Opie -> Modern QT :-D
User8: heh
User21: thats the approx equivs
User8: i actually like unity ... just has to go on a little diet
 * XorA is not a fan
User8: (which it currently is in the middle of)
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