User1: User3 ping? do you know something about valgrind and can confirm that http://slomosnail.de/~slomo/temp/valgrind_3.1.0-2.1ubuntu1.debdiff is the correct solution for bug 2958?
User2: malone bug 2958 in valgrind "valgrind is generating warnings on /lib/ld-2.3.5.so" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2958
User3: User1 can look at it, but not before the weekend
User1: User3 ok, thanks... just ping me when you have some time... shouldn't take too long :)
User4: hello
User4: does dapper will have ubuntu express?
User5: PounK, yes
User4: but why it is in Deferred BreezyGoals ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake )
User6: does this raise any concerns http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2006-02-22/debian-versioning-of-mozilla-libraries-harmful
User6: +?
User4: oh, breezy goal lol
User5: PounK, that is old
User4: is it in the flight cd 4?
User5: yes
User4: good
User4: and does kubuntu live contain ubuntu express?
User5: PounK, they are working on a kubuntu-express
User4: and it will be avalaible for dapper / it avalaible on flight 4 ?
User5: ready for dapper, not ready for flight 4, afaik
User4: ok, thank
User5: np
User7: dapper install, grub step, error.  should I be able to run grub from the VT2 shell?  cuz I can't.
User8: good night
User9: ( http://appelsinjuice.org/firefox-huge-error.png ) Malone next stop?
User10: User9 no, quit firefox and restart
User10: User9 you probably upgraded it underneath a running session
User9: persistent after a firefox restart and a reboot
User9: ah, nailed it to the nb/no language pack
User11: User37 thanks
User12: hello.
User12: Anyone familiar with ACX100/110 driver?
User13: User12 if you are having issue with it, please test the latest dapper and file a bug
User12: User13 I don't think it is a bug. I also already installed Feb 17 dapper
User13: User12 if it doesn't work ootb, it is a bug
User12: User13 BTW, your promptly reply surprice me. XD
User13: I try
User12: User13 I suppose everybody is sleeping in another side of earth. XD
User13: User12 yes
User12: User13 I just want to explain this issue and ask it is a bug or not.
User12: ACX driver need proper firmware to drive the cards.
User13: ok
User12: Unfortunately, my card isn't supported by default firmware in dapper.
User13: then file a bug
User12: More unluckly, we don't have any firmware compatible with ACX driver on PCi's website.
User12: User13 But. NDISwrapper can support this card.
User13: User12 if it doesn't work out of teh box, it is a bug
User12: How can I tell a good story for this bug? I'm wondering.
User13: say it doesn't work and relate all information you have about it
User12: User13 thanks.
User13: User12 np
User12: And I have another issue. There is no "jdmouse" for ubuntu
User13: User12 jdmouse?
User12: This is essential for a Sony vaio.
User12: http://jr0bak.homelinux.net/~imai/linux/jogdial.html
User12: Sorry it is a Japenese site.
User13: hardware that doesn't work out of the box is a bug, file it as such
User12: Basically, it will ran as a daemon to handle Fn KEY event for a Vaio
User13: not saying it will be dealt with, but at least we know it is there
User12: User13 OK. I'll file two bugs.
User12: User13 But where can I file? I'm not familiar with Ubuntu development process.
* jouston making a lot of trouble. :-~
User13: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
User12: User13 Great thanks.
User13: np
User14: hi all! I want install xgl on kubuntu dapper 4. please recommend me good howto
User15: User14 please redirect to #kubuntu
User16: mjg59 u available?
User13: User16 it is 6am where he is
User16: :o u don't say
User16: thats ok, i'll 'try again later'
User17: he has been idle for 7+ hours
User16: :)
User16: robitaille i didn't check hes idle
User15: more than likely asleep, being in the UK
User16: uk?
User16: im confused
User16: its not 6am in uk
User13: sorry, 4am, my math was off
User16: same timezone here ;)
User18: So I must now get Xgl working
User18: How do our packages fare?
User16: i'll expose the annoying thing here. My external usb hd is getting into 'sleep mode' while being used
User13: User16 file a bug. this channel is for discussion of your fix to that bug, not the bug itself
User16: sure, i dont even know if its a bug, i'm just asking for some suggestions any of u might have
User19: whoever; pong
User13: User16 if it doesn't work on a default install of Ubuntu, it is a bug
User13: User19 salut
User13: long time, no see
User16: its been always like this, i thought it might be something with configs or something
User19: indeed
User19: how is life?
User13: work isn't bad. Book writing is harder than expected. But the cool new thing I am organizing is a Freegeek style organization for Victoria
User19: what are you writing a book about?
User13: User19 Ubuntu
User20: any kernel guys here?
User13: myself, Jono and Mako are writing "The official Ubuntu book"
User20: there might be a bug in isofs
User20: dvd i burnt reads fine in windows, but on dapper gets a "trying to read past end of device" error
User21: User13 in fact, i'm writing it RIGHT NOW
User22: User21 hoping to have it available under some free license?
User13: User21 racing to the deadline like me, hmm?
User13: User22 yes
User21: User22 in fact it will
User21: User13 when is the deadline?
User22: great
User21: User13 i think one chapter will be a few days late
* Burglaptop just laughs
User13: next monday
User21: hmm.. maybe i will make it
User13: User22 the currently plan is cc-by-sa 2.0 and gfdl, same as the doc team
User21: no, probalby not
User13: it might actually be stored in the docteam repos
User21: User13 you should have seen my last book.. SO LATE
User13: User21 how many pages to go?
User21: User13 i'm not really counting by pages
User13: User21 I gathered that from speaking deb
User22: User13 ok, shippable in main/universe?
User13: with deb, even
User21: i got it all in before i needed to be
User13: User22 not for dapper, afaik
User21: but it was under the line
User22: User13 ah well
* ajmitch_ will have to get an autographed hard copy
User13: User22 it will be published by just after dapper
User13: hence the tight deadline
User21: it's not so bad
User21: well, review is a pain in the ass
User21: author review and all that
User13: mako, I figure I will look good compared to you, if I get it all in on the deadline
User13: :D
User22: getting the autographs might be a fun task
User21: yeah, i'll have all but one chapter in by the deadline
User21: and the last one in by.. next week i guess
User13: the money from this book should fund me to the next conference
User22: that would be great
User22: I doubt I'll be at the next one
User13: screw my student loan
User22: my loan is already well over
User13: 10k to go!
* ajmitch_ is doing a bit of C# work right now that might pay for it, if I really wanted to go
User13: User22 windows or mono?
User21: User13 yeah, i always find time for this but my real life has to take priority
User21: User13 i had a big academic AI paper due on tuesday night that i was working on
User13: User21 holy crap ya
User23: User21 what degree are you working on?
User21: User23 SM->PhD
User22: User13 win ce.net
User21: at the MIT Media Lab
User13: User22 at least it isn't php
User23: User21 cool, I'm working on my PhD too, but in Physical Chemistry
* Burglaptop is looking for someone to integrate Userful's multiseat hacks into X.org multiseat for dapper+1
User22: User13 that was my last job, for several months
User22: User13 when I met you in .ca I was a self-confessed php hacker
User13: my kingdom for more and better free software jobs
* ajmitch_ is shocked to see his laptop swapping away
User22: but I did just start OOo2
User13: User22 how much ram do you have in that thing?
User22: 1GB
User13: User24 how is that detriot youth and ubuntu thing
User13: swapping with 1gb???
User22: but it's bzr chewing the RAM doing a merge
User13: ah
User22: and vmware server running winxp
User13: so you do you development in bzr and ubuntu, with wince running in vmware?
User24: User13 just got started, got about 20 of them done.
User24: still figuring out logistics, donations, etc. etc.
User22: no, winxp is in vmware to run some windows apps for this job
User13: User24 how quickly do you think you are going to scale?
User24: User13 once I get pics I'll blog a status report.
User13: User24 and you are recycling computers or using new?
User24: recycling
User25: morning guys
User22: morning fabbione
User24: people and companies donate, get the tax writeoff, and then people can buy edubuntu PCs for $100.
User22: User24 sounds reasonable
User24: for everyone they buy a needy family in detroit gets a free PC.
User13: User24 ah cool. I am in the beginnings of doing something similar in Victoria
User24: ah, have you seen freegeek?
User22: User24 what made you choose edubuntu?
User13: yep
User24: User22 seemed like the natural choice.
User22: User24 targetting the families with kids?
User13: I was thinking of taking the old p1 and p2s and running a pure gcompris desktop on them
User24: yeah, well, kids actually refurb the PCs and stuff.
User13: User24 http://www.relectronics.org/ <-- who I am basing it off of
* ajmitch_ didn't think that you'd need the edubuntu server functionality
User24: it's tied into a program in the city that is designed to educate kids on technology and whatnot.
User24: User22 it has a workstation mode.
User13: User24 have you thought about multiseat?
User22: User24 yeah I know
User13: User24 because if you can find a development, I have some code for you
User13: s/ment/er
User24: User13 the key was to just attach to an existing charity. They did all the legwork on getting corporate sponsorship, getting nonprofit status, etc.
User22: User13 you're allowed to release some of the code from work?
User24: User13 not at this point.
User13: User22 already technically gpl/lgpl
User13: and X now has multiseat
User22: User13 nice, I thought it was based on the X code
User13: http://openuserful.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Patches
User13: already released
User24: User13 the neat thing is that some towns around here are doing free municipal wifi, so a refurbed PC with a wifi nic is feasable without the ongoing cost of an internet connection.
User13: User24 I am going to attach myself to habitat for humanity (who are much less christian in .ca)
User22: User13 you've shown these to ogra?
User13: User22 I will once dapper releases
* ajmitch_ imagones 1 or 2 at least might be useful
User24: so, right now we're bouncing the idea of corporate sponsors kicking in for the price of the PC, and in return we could do like an RSS-like screensaver that'll show off their products or something.
User22: User24 you'll love that f-spot has a gnome-screensaver hack in it now
User24: yeah I read that, awesome.
User13: you doing it volunteer?
User24: me? yeah.
User22: User24 I have 0.1.10 ready here, needs UVF exception though
User24: nice nice.
User24: User13 we've already approached Ford Motor for sponsorship
User13: User38 http://openuserful.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Patches
User24: so like, they help subsidize the PC, they get a screensaver with the latest model of the car or whatever.
User13: cool
User24: then us volunteers just run classes for the kids and stuff while they build the PCs.
User13: User24 can we chat on the phone tomorrow about how you are doing it?
User24: one of our loco guys is going to do simple python classes and whatnot.
User13: User24 I can all you wherever
User24: yeah sure, 316-640-3625, I'm on EST.
User13: thanks. I am trying to talk to all the various organizations like freegeek, etc. about what they are doing
User24: yeah we just started so we're finding all sorts of problems, heh.
User13: and one more longdistance phone call really doesn't matter
User24: we're going to have the local news stop by in a few sessions.
User13: how many people do you have volunteering?
User24: ~20-ish so far.
User24: we haven't done brochures yet or anything though.
User13: User24 http://freegeekcolumbus.org/wiki/Main_Page <-- these people install Ubuntu
User24: that's the nice thing about hitching with an existing charity.
User24: they usually have this infrastructure already in place.
User13: yep
User13: partnering with hfh gets me their restore, which means i get retail space
User24: the first few hours suck, rebuilding all those PCs, but once the kids get going in the gimp or whatever it's really rewarding.
User13: you think edubuntu is a better fit for most than ubuntu?
User16: now that would be a nice a idea, spread this to portugal schools instead of that malicious windows
User13: User16 spain leads europe in number of linux (and gnome) desktop, from what I understand
User24: well, i'd rather trust ogra and co. to pick out the good educational apps than me customizing a CD to add kid programming.
User16: i don't doubt of it
User24: plus, ideally we can provide good feedback to edubuntu
User16: uncle bill came here not long ago (few weeks) to spread his 'faith'
User16: :>
User22: evening mpt__ :)
User16: but realy, i'd enjoy seeing ubuntu/edubuntu in school computers instead of just 'lets talk about linux now' for just a fews weeks at classes
User13: User16 make it happen
User16: i will if i get the chance, dont doubt
User13: User24 ogra is looking for someone to help packaging willow, a bayseian web filter
User24: yeah I need to get our plan in order a bit more still though.
User16: that would be a nice step for PC's sellers to asked 'i want linux on my desktop/laptop'
User16: *to be asked
User16: well 5.25am, it's bed time
User16: later all
User13: User24 jsut reading the point about tiger_whitehead wanting filtering
User24: yeah, I've been looking at integrating dansguardian.
User24: I'm still researching around though.
User13: User24 ogra seemed to love willion because it is bayesian
User24: bed for me too, we'll talk more tomorrow.
User13: http://www.digitallumber.com/willow
User13: User22 the mounted volumes not placing icons on the desktop. Is that a policy decision or a bug?
User22: policy, I *think*
User13: I can't seem to find anything on DapperDesktopPlan
User22: it's a gconf key (/apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible)
User22: so I imagine it's been set off by default
User22: you'll have to check with seb128
User13: appears to be unchecked
User13: ah, bloody hell, stupid gpm
User13: hiding while on AC is crack
* Burglaptop fires off two mails to -desktop
User26: Hi
User22: hey pitti
User26: hi ajmitch_
User12: Hi
User12: Anyone knows where the hotplug directory is?
User12: I would like to put some non-free firmware into my Dapper
User15: User12 hotplug is gone from Dapper.
User13: User12 please ask in #ubuntu+1
User22: bbl, see you next week
User12: User13 THX
User27: morning
User28: morning :)
User26: hey siretart
User29: User32 When you're up - any chance you can NEW spiftacity? It'd be good to be able to say this is all in at FOSDEM
User29: (No rush, though)
User30: spiftacity? :)
User30: spiftastic metacity, I assume?
User31: (no rush, but FOSDEM is tomorrow :P)
User6: <any main-priv devel>: ping?
User30: User6 Pong.
User6: User30 hi! do you have time to push a new version of libnfsidmap? I've asked for UVF already (no answer yet, though)...
User30: User6 No can do without the UVF from mdz or Kamion.
User6: inifinity: ok, I'll try to get that first, then ,)
User6: ;)
* infinity nods.
User30: I'll be happy to go over your changes and sponsor the upload once you get approval.
User6: it's here, if you'd like to take a first look.. (it's repackaged according to the feedback I got from libgssapi and librpcsecgss which made it in) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2019
User6: sorry, Section: libs is still missing from the Source:
User6: new version on the way..
User27: uuuuh
* siretart notices that openal is in main
User27: :/
User30: User6 Can you mail me about it (better yet, CC me on your UVF enquiries, so I know when it's okay to sponsor the upload?)
User30: User6 I'm off for the weekend now, so... Mail is always best.  adconrad@ubuntu
User6: User30 ok, thanks!
User6: will do
User8: good morning
User31: hey dholbach
User31: User8 are you going to FOSDEM?
User8: User31 no, sorry, I won't.
User32: User29 source NEWed, will check for binaries later
User29: User32 Thanks!
User26: yay hal 0.5.7
User29: User26 There's a pretty vital looking patch in there (lets hal-input-addon work with ADB keyboards)
User31: User29 so.. what's spiftacity? just metacity + build-options? or a complete fork?
User26: User29 whoa, that's a whole lot of bug fixes in the changelog
User26: User51 new hal's out for 2 hours, so where's your deb? :-P
User29: User31 Metacity CVS + build options + libcm dependency
User26: hey seb128
User33: hi pitti :)
User8: hey seb128!
* seb128 grumpf to yesterday dist-upgrade which took ages, thanks to pitti :p
* pitti whistles innocently
* seb128 hugs pitti
User33: User8 hi :)
User34: Any chance of seeing malone #23388 fixed in dapper?
User2: malone bug 23388 in lsb lsb-base "tput used in /lib/lsb/init-functions after /usr is unmounted" [Minor,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/23388
User34: The bug is marked for ubuntu-6.04... but so far I have not seen anybody working on the issue.
User33: User26 that means we will divert from Debian for all the packages you uploaded now?
User26: User33 I actually diverted very few, maybe 5
User26: User33 most of them were already diverted before
User33: ekiga (1.99.1-0ubuntu3) dapper; urgency=low
User33: .
User33: * debian/rules: Add gettext domain to .server and .desktop files to get
User33: language pack support for them. (Similarly to cdbs' gnome.mk)
User33:
User33: stuff like that?
User26: yep
User33: hum, k
User35: User26 morning
User26: hey sivang
User35: User26 did you send me anything?
User26: User35 no, not yet
User26: I thought I'd wait for you, and check if you actually have time
User26: User35 anyway, I'm already down to 7 packages on the TODO list
User35: User26 since when have you been working? ;-)
* pitti is up since 6:30
User35: or wasn't there a lot of package in the first place..
User26: it wasn't that much any more
User35: wow
User35: okay, where the todo list?
User26: User35 tomboy tuxmath tuxtype vim xmms xsane xscreensaver
User26: User38 will xscreensaver stay in main?
User26: User38 nevermind, -data will
User31: User26 I have a XUL error (launchpad-related I think) in Mozilla
User26: User31 how can LP cause them?
User26: that rather means some locale package or so is not in sync
User31: ('<menuitem label="&helpGetHelpOnline.label;")
User31: That _sounds_ like launchpad-integration to me
User35: User31 IIRC seb128 did that, you can ask him.
User26: yes, true
User26: the patch should just be reverted, mozilla is universe now
User31: User26 it's firefox, sorry
User33: what patch?
User33: User26 you think we patched mozilla for lpi? :)
User33: one browser is enough :p
User26: User33 I hope not :)
User33: anyway
User33: "   Bookmark, search and translation reference regression fixes:
User33: * Restore `Translate This Application' and `Get Help Online'"
User33: from the upload Diziet did yesterday
User31: OK, so that broke it
User31: or broke..
User31: I have a perfectly working firefox
User31: with an XML error at the bottom
User31: (and no help menu)
* mvo is going to to his first commit to the new *bzr* tree of synaptic
User8: User39 !!! :)
* mvo goes to create a ubuntu branch
User36: history happening here? wish i could understand all of it :)
User31: User26 so, when will the firefox locales be updated? :)
User26: User31 I have no idea how to change them
User31: great!
User31: so where do I file the bug?
User26: well, I'll check out the issue
User31: ok
User26: User31 file it on firefox please
User37: it is already filed multiple times
User37: User31 See #32651 for a workaround.
User26: what's wrong with LP builders? I uploaded cdbs almost two hours ago, and the new deb is still not even attempted to be built
User34: Hmmm... shouldn't be readahead get run only after /usr is mounted?
User34: It tries to read files from /usr after all... or maybe it could be run twice?
User34: It is about 50% of the files in /usr after all.
User38: pitti, xscreensaver will stay in main for xfce
User26: User38 yep, nevermind, the .desktop files are in -data and we need them anyway I guess
User26: User38 besides, it's already fixed :)
User38: the .desktop files for gnome-screensaver dont need to be translateable for now ... they only show the app name ...
User38: so dont waste time on them
User31: User38 well, I might want to change 'Gears' to something else in Dutch... ?
User38: really ?
User31: User38 yeah, in Dutch it's 'Tandwielen'
User38: was it translated in xscreensaver ? 
* ogra cant remember and is to lazy to install it ...
User31: User38 no, but that's not the point :)
User34: Is Michael Vogt still around?
User29: User34 I see acpi-support bugs without them being assigned to me
User34: User29 Sorry then. I am trying to clean out my reported-bugs list somewhat.
User8: User34 it's mvo
User34: User8 Thanks.
User32: in general reporters should not assign bugs to people in malone
User32: you can subscribe other people to a bug if you want them to see it
User32: the assigned-to field is (I'm told) intended to mean "this person is working on the bug"
User34: User32 Is that documented somewhere?
User32: the UI is not great when you're *re*assigning, so this doesn't always work right, but at least we can avoid reporters declaring that the maintainer is working on a bug when this is not true :)
User32: User34 no idea, I'm not a Malone developer
User34: User32 I do not want to do something wrong... I am just doing what seems to get the bug fixed.
User34: User32 assigning one works wonders most of the time;-)
User34: User32 Besides: somebody recommended here to assign to the last person mentioned in the changelog a while back when LP was still new.
User34: User32 and the UI is not great whatever you do;-)
User32: I get people assigning me bugs I was already subscribed to quite a lot
User32: the only effect is more noise in my mailbox for me to wade through
User32: I would rather they just pinged me if they wanted to know the status
User34: User32 OK, I'll try to keep that in mind before assigning stuff to you;-)
User34: Seriously: I do not want to cause more work for anybody. So I'll no longer assign bugs.
User34: How can I find out whom to ping about the bug status though?
User32: a comment in the bug?
User32: I mean, if there hasn't already been one recently
User34: User32 OK. I'll do that then.
User39: User34 hello?
User40: gee, you guys are working too much sometimes! *upgrades*
User34: User39 yes.
User39: User34 anything particular you wanted from me?
User34: User39 I only wanted to know whether "Michael Vogt" was still with the team or whether I needed to reassign my bug:-)
User8: User34 he's one of our best assets
User34: User8 Yes, I know mvo.
User34: User8 I just did not know that he was Michael Vogt:-)
User34: LP should really list the IRC nick in addition to the mail address.
User8: it does, if you specified it
User39: User8 haha, thanks dholbach
User8: it does for mvo
User34: User8 Yes, you can find it out somehow, but not from the bug-report page.
User8: launchpad.net/people/mvo
User34: User8 Yeap, I can search for it via the people page.
User34: User8 But then I'll end up backtracking to the bugreport.
User8: find a solution to make it easier and propose it to the launchpad team :)
User34: User8 Yes, I should nag them for a bit instead of keeping honest working ubuntu maintainers of their work!
* dholbach hugs hunger
* mvo hugs hunger
User28: hunger, you can search from the bug report page too
User28: click on "(Choose)" from the bug status page
User34: User28 Yes, but as soon as I click that the bug gets unassigned and the search is not that useful as it finds 6 mvos.
User28: i don't think that is right.
User28: yes it finds 6 mvo's, but the bug's status doesn't change until you commit your changes
User34: User28 Oh and it does NOT find the email cut'n'pasted into the search field from the assigned-to bug-report area.
User28: sorry, i don't understand
User28: best take it to #launchpad
User34: This is nothing that needs discussion here:-)
User41: hello
User41: i just wanted to tell you guys that the mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es package in dapper is corrupted
User41: it makes firefox work badly
User41: showing an error in the botton saying: <menuitem label="&helpGetGelpOnline.label;" ______^
User33: already known, but thanks for reporting it :)
User41: ok
User41: :)
User41: bye!
User33: (though launchpad is the right place to send bugs, on IRC it's likely the maintainer will not read your message)
User41: ok
User41: ill make a note for the next time
User41: :)
User41: by the way, have you guys noticed that if using xserver-xgl the gnome session takes a long while to load...
User41: ?
User33: #ubuntu-xgl
User33: :)
User41: ok
User33: I've not tried it for my part ;)
User41: thanks seb128
User41: :)
User33: np
User41: bye! Ill be in #ubuntu
User42: User11 ping
User39: User42 I think he left for fosdem
User42: Ahh.
User42: Hmm.  Does anyone else have this firefox xml error ?
User31: User42 Yes
User42: Oh, here we go, in the scroolback.
User31: User42 I've merged a few bugs about it into one
User42: It's very strange.  Yesterday when Kinnison told me about it I thought I'd manage to bungle the upload somehow but that's not it.  It works fine for me.
User43: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ is empty - is that expected ?
User31: User42 It has something to do with the interaction Launchpad-integration <-> langpacks
User42: I mean, even the version built by the buildds works.
User31: User42 if I remove my langpack, it works OK
User42: Ahh, excellent info.  I should read my mail really ...
User42: Just to confirm: normally, if some of the strings in ff aren't translated, do you get bits of English text ?
User42: (Like normal, with a not-completely-translated program?)
User31: User42 in non-XULly programs, yes
User42: But what about in XUL ?
User42: I think I must have put the English string for the menu item labels in the wrong place.  I need to put them in the `fallback' place, not in en_US-only.
User31: User42 then I just get errors when the translation-version is out of sync with the 'original'
User42: So every string has to be translated ?
User42: And, errors like this one ?
User31: User42 Yes, missing translations give errors like this one.
User42: Joy.
User28: are you guys talking about this:  <menuitem label="&helpGetGelpOnline.label; ?
User42: Yes.
User28: isn't it just a typo?
User28: GetGelp?
User31: User42 happened a few times before.. when the langpacks didn't get updated but firefox did
User42: Err, Kinnison's screenshot shows `GetHelp'.
User31: User28 it's correctly spelled here
User28: ah right
User28: perhaps the chap in here mis-copied
User28: sorry
User42: So does the langpack construction process somehow automatically greps the strings out ?
User31: User42 --> pitti
User42: I'm trying to figure out what I need to do now and of course what I need to do next time.
User26: User42 not for ffox, it doesn't use gettext
User31: User42 I _think_ XUL (or Firefox, or whatever) lacks a 'fallback' method (or it's heavily under-used)
User26: We just import the xpi files from upstream
User42: How annoying.
User42: What's an XPI file ?
User42: Feel free to tell me to RTFM if you can provide a URL for the FM :-).
User26: User42 a zip file with a .jar (the actual translations) and some description metadata
User26: User42 it's the common install format for mozilla stuff
User31: isn't a .jar a zip in disguise?
User26: i. e. you can point to it in the address bar, or in the extensions dialog
User42: So what if I want to add a new translated string ?
User26: User31 yes
User26: User42 that's highly nontrivial, and we have a spec about it
User26: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-firefox-support
User42: Err, sorry, I'm confused.  I mean: I have added, in a patch to our firefox, a couple of new menu items, which have labels which ought to be translated.
User42: Apparently something needs to be done to the langpacks.  What ?
User31: (and for which translations _are_ available, in the launchpad-integration package ?)
User42: Or, is there something I should do in firefox to make it work ?
User42: I'm not asking for Rosetta integration.
User26: User42 the spec is about dissecting translation .jar files to gettext po files, which we can modify, and then rebuild new .jar files from them
User26: but that's a highly nontrivial process
User42: Yes, so I don't want to do that.
User26: User42 is there a way in ffox to mark these strings as not translatable?
User42: Yes.
User26: User42 that would be good enough for now, I think
User42: Oh.
User42: It seems a bit odd to have `Translate this application' (a) in English and (b) not let you translate this application !
User26: User42 well, in fact, in Dapper you won't be able to translate firefox anyway
User42: Also `Get help online' is something that it would be very nice to have translated.
User42: So I should rename it to `help translate Ubuntu' ?  And if so, why is it in the Firefox help menu ?
User26: User42 maybe it makes sense to drop that particular menu item for dapper
User42: sabdfl specifically noticed that it was gone and complained.  I'm trying to understand why the original decision was made; it's always wise to understand the original reasons before you decide to overturn a decision.
User42: (gone = in earlier 1.5 packages for Dapper)
User26: hmm
User26: well, all I can say is that ffox translations won't be there for dapper; I hope it will for dapper+1
User42: Right.
User42: Do most Gnome applications have a `translate this program' in the Help menu ?
User26: yes
User32: User43 it's probably just taking ages to sync to the mirrors; there's still an rsync running from the cdimage master machine
User43: okee dokee
User42: OK.  Well, I'll remove the Translate item and untranslate the Get Help Online then.
User42: Thanks for the info.
User26: thanks
User6: User32 have you received my emails about the UVF-exceptions we discussed some day?
User44: elmo: please sync hotkey-setup 0.14 and let me know you need me to rebounce you some emails
User32: User6 yes, but I am swamped and cannot deal with them
User32: User43 (I've brought it up with admins)
User32: User6 at least not today
User6: User32 ok, no hurry if it's still possible
User32: is VETSEL Patrice here?
User32: oh, never mind, dholbach already dealt with it
User35: User39 can you offer one of you simple programs to use as an example of using a ListView in python/gtk?
User35: s/you/your/
User45: Hey all.
User45: Maybe the Ubuntu developers  could include debins into dapper+1
User31: debins?
User45: http://programmer-art.org/debins
User46: you could use gdebi
User46: or synaptec
User45: I have sent a patch to them fixing a minor problem with debins
User46: if you really want to see this package in you could create a debian source package and upload it to REVU
User45: tseng, apparently you don't understand what debins was designed for.
User45: You double click on a .deb package, and debins goes off & does the work
User47: sounds like gdebi :)
User46: yeah..
User45: i didnt create it
User29: User45 That's what gdebi does
User46: unless you are more interested in being argumentative
User46: your next step is really here:
User46: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
User46: you could make it in for dapper if you hurry :)
User45: Well....
User45: okay.
User45: `wherres the motu chsaannel
User46: #ubuntu-motu
User47: #uvbuntu-motu
User45: i joined #motu no workie
User45: ty
User47: minus the typo :)
User3: Kinnison, User29 which package is responsible for setting up the power management of hard disks?
User48: doko, I'm not sure if this is the answer you're looking for, but hdparm can set it for ide drives (maybe sata, dunno)
* mvo kicks his network
User32: User43 it's there now
User35: User39 I'd like to ask you 2 questions: 1)Do you have a good simple example of using ListView in PyGTK of your program, 2) How do I find out in pyhotn which mime types are supported / available on the deskotp / system?
User35: User39 (I pasted before but your network got ofF)
User35: :)
User35: User39 the media part is to exclude media files from a user's backup, based on mime types registered in a system rather then having a hard coded list of extensios.
User39: User35 I found http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/ch-TreeViewWidget.html useful
User35: User39 ah , okay :) thanks. I bumped into another tutorial when googleing for it, that was a bit less then what I needed. :) thanks!
User39: User35 for the mime-type stuff I don't know
User35: User39 ok, thanks for all your help, btw when using TreeVIew from SimpleGladeApp.py, do you get the reference to the Model from the widget object or create it from scratch, and then 'attache' it?
User39: User35 http://www.pygtk.org/pygnomevfs/class-gnomevfs-fileinfo.html may help you, it seems to include mime-information
User32: you have to create it, glade won't do it for you
User35: User32 (I'm a bit puzzled of how to find it in SimpleGladeApp.py
User32: once you've created and set it once you can get it from the widget, though
User32: sorry, don't know what/where SimpleGladeApp.py is
User39: User35 what kamion said (create it yourself)
User35: Kamion, mvo : you mean for the model? because the widgent (the 'view') is already created by glade..
User49: can we still do syncs? (trying to fix malone #6679)
User2: malone bug 6679 in nut "fails to start because of change to /var/run" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6679
User39: User35 yes, you need to create the model (and the renderers) yourself
User32: User49 I believe elmo's still working on making the code work reasonably with soyuz
User49: ok
User32: should an error dialog that requires the application to exit (right at the start - it's because it needs to be run as root) have an OK button or a Close button?
User50: Keybuk, User26 Let's try here where we can all see.
User50: User64 I remembered for a while you had talked about bringing interfaces up when they were detected.
User26: User50 well, in dapper we now bring them up when the interface itself arrives
User26: User50 i. e. when plugging in an usb wireless
User26: however, it doesn't do link detection ATM
User50: Right, so not on link state,.
User26: that's network-manager's job
User26: (which actually works quite well)
User30: (for interfaces that support link state)
User38: Kamion, a "Cancel" button (since that indicates you have to do the former action again ...) ?
User50: User26 I remember that old Catalyst switches on a spanning tree network could easily take 30 seconds before giving link.
User32: User38 ... OK, I didn't expect anyone to say that! Cancel indicates "please let me go back to what I was doing"; I don't think it really works for unrecoverable errors
User26: User50 something less heavyweight than n-m would be ifplugd
User50: User26 If we have no way to poll link state, is it hard to beat dhclient into trying again 15 seconds later and repeat, say, a half dozen times before it gives up?
User38: hmm, thats how i'd read such a button ... i cancelled the last action i did (which was starting the app apparently), but that might be a misconception ...
User26: User50 probably not, but I'm not sure whether we should do that by default
User26: User50 you mean, there are still a lot of cards around which don't have mii link detection?
User50: User26 The link detection was infinity's comment, not mine. =)
User50: I have no guesses on that.
User30: User32 I think the prevailing UI convention seems to be to use "Close" in that case.
User32: User30 thanks
User30: User26 There are very few cards left that can't do it, but some drivers in the kernel still don't expose it.
User30: User26 And no, I don't recall which drivers, though I remember that only one card on daniels's amd64 machine knew its link state.
User30: User26 One marvell, one nforce.  Don't recall which one sucked more.
User50: User26 I'm wondering if the retry cycle would actually be harmful in that case, though?  If we're just getting send_packet failures, it's pretty clearly not getting anything out, so trying again shortly after doesn't seem that harmful.
User30: User50 Didn't we used to do that with dhclient anyway?  (have it retry for quite a while, sleep, retry, etc, then give up after a LONG time...)
User30: ie: dhclient itself has that functionality built in, I don't mean WE tried anything special.
User26: afk for 5 minutes
User50: User30 Lemme check in the logs.  Oh, hmm.  There is a link up at 07:02:26.  Then it dhcp's at 07:20:29, gets a send_packet: Network is down.  Tries again at 7:02:49, network is still down.  7:03:04, network is still down.  Then I ifdown'd and ifup'd at 07:03:41.  got network_down.  got link up another link is up at 07:03:43, and dhcpdiscover got love at 07:03:44
User50: Hmm, maybe I'm chasing the wrong bit of confusion.
User51: User26 tonight probably :p
User51: User26 btw, you probably want to merge the dbus patch i sent to the dbus list yesterday (if you haven't done already)
User26: re
User26: User51 no, haven't found time yet
User51: k, patch is in pkg-utopia svn too
User51: will update the debian package tonight
User26: User51 you rock :)
User51: thanks ;)
User35: User51 rolling new dbus package? :)
User35: User51 possibly with the volume.capacity namespace? :-)
User51: User35 that's hal :)
User51: but i'll update that tonight too
User35: User51 ooo, that would be so cool :-D
User35: User51 (and sorry about the mistake, I confuse between them alot)
User26: User35 btw, he talks about Debian, not Ubuntu :)
User26: User35 not sure whether we can update hal to 0.5.7; the changelog looks worthwhile, though
User35: User26 indeed, I wonder if you could get UVF expection for that. I recall seb128 said it also makes GNOME a bit happier
User26: yes, and half of the actually intrusive changes we already have as patches anyway
User33: go go go for an UVF exception :)
User33: that's today or not for that cycle anyway
User26: User33 ok, I'll forward the changelog to mdz and comment about the changes
User33: User26 thank you
User28: how long does it normally take after a package is successfully built for it to appear in the archive?
User33: depending if it goes to NEW or not
User28: if not?
User33: around 1 hour I would say
User28: hmm
User28: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+source/ubuntu-docs/5.10-6.3 hasn't appeared yet afaics
User33: breezy
User30: All bets are off for breezy stuff.
User28: oh it's in the archive
User33: uploads to stable are moderated and not processed atm
User30: The -updates and -backports stuff in soyuz is still in beta.
User28: seb128, it's built and in the archive, but isn't coming onto my system for some reason
User28: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-docs/
User33: User28 apt-cache policy ubuntu-docs ?
User52: Crist there is a spammer in #ubuntu can someone please pop in and kick him ?  damian
User28: seb128,   Candidate: 5.10-6.2
User33: User28 so it's not listed by the index
User28: right, does that take some time too?
User33: should not
User30: Well, not, but like I said, the soyuz handling of -updates is still ongoing work right now.
User28: shall i ask in #launchpad?
User30: So it could be "half-published", which some kinks get worked out.
User30: User28 That might be better.
User28: ok, thanks
User32: User28 yes, please do
User30: s/which some/while some/
User39: User32 testinstall on a networkless system seems to have worked fine
User32: good, thanks
User39: (just FYI)
User32: so CC.archive.ubuntu.com is in sources.list?
User32: uncommented?
User39: yes it was
User39: apt-get udpate worked when network was available and stoped quickly when it wasn't
User32: fantastic
User39: User30 the latest apt upload should have fixed the problem that apt sometimes eats the package index files
User30: User39 I noticed the changelog, yes.  Here's hoping.
User6: User8 ping?
User30: User39 Also, thanks. :)
User8: User6 pong
User6: User8 why did you mark malone 29646 as rejected?
User2: malone bug 29646 in apt-setup "support for multiverse" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29646
User32: User6 just the dapper task
User8: User6 just the Ubuntu Dapper task
User39: User30 cheers
User6: oh, so it's not going to happen for dapper?
User6: bah
User8: User6 that's not what it means
User6: User8 what then?-)
User8: User6 Dapper is just not released yet, so it makes no sense, to look for special "Dapper" bugs
User32: User6 no, dholbach was going through everything filed against dapper because most of them were mistakes
User32: in that particular case, I deliberately marked it for dapper to remind myself
User32: but never mind
User8: User32 I'm sorry.
User8: User32 you could set the target though.
User6: ok, it just seemed as if it was closed :)
User30: User6 If you hit the web page, you'll see that it's still open in one instance, though rejected in the other.  Yes, I find that aspect of Malone very confusing too.
User32: User8 that's what I did!
User32: User8 if you set the target, it creates a dapper task
User8: argl
User6: hehe
User53: is there any problem with the latest firefox build? something about the Help Menu.
User54: segfault, yes, they are on the case
User53: yeah, bug #32678
User2: malone bug 32678 in firefox "firefox displays strange error on bottom" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32678
User53: its something in browser.jar/content/browser/baseMenuOverlay.xul
User47: User29 please try the synaptics thing?
User47: Option          "MinSpeed"              "0.49"
User47: Option          "MaxSpeed"              "0.63"
User47: wrong window
User32: User39 are #23965 and #26065 fixed with default-apt-sources?
User39: User32 checking
User32: User29 still no binaries for spiftacity - looks like a missing build-dep?
User31: still?
User32: he asked me to see if it could be made available for FOSDEM, so I'm watching the NEW queue
User30: User32 I uploaded to fix that.
User32: not just are-we-there-yet-ing
User30: User32 You're obviously not watching -changes. :)
User32: User30 ah, thans
User32: +k
User32: it only JUST arrived in my mailbox, after you said that :)
User30: Sure, sure. :)
User30: User32 Do you still have to NEW each arch individually, or has that been fixed?
User30: (I ask because you won't see powerpc binaries for a while, it's stuck behind an openoffice build)
User32: User30 last I checked I did, yes
User30: Oh well.  I should go to bed before I accidentall get a second wind and stay up all night again.
User43: Kamion,  daily files are up, but the BT doesn't have any seeds: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso.torrent
User43: Kamion, nm - there are now seeds
User35: User33 yes, let's hope pitti gets the expection :) (re: HAL)
User55: would there be any issues like udev or other stuff in backporting a dapper kernel to breezy ?
User33: yep
User56: hi devels
User56: ping ogra
User57: pish
User57: urhgh
User57: can't type
User57: User55 yeah, backporting dapper kernel to breezy is a "don't do it unless you really know what you're doing" exercise
User55: User57 I am not yet that much into kernelpackaging ...  but my alternative might be taking a kernel from kernel.org.
User55: and manual install it
User33: User55 what do you need from the new one?
User57: User55 that'll have the same problem
User57: anything hotplug related will cease to work
User55: I am just havingsome weird issues with 'freezing' and the computer is not answering for 5-6 seconds while havin thread heavy processes.
User57: User55 have you tried a dapper live cd to see whether that really fixes the problem?
User57: also have you tried booting with pci=noacpi tec.
User55: I have trried qeuite different things ...
User55: I am having 10 different machines with excactly same hardware, running breezy, doing this.
* Lathiat ponders dmraid support in the installer
User31: User47 That would give us so many gamers
User47: heh
User31: User47 we have a website here ('tweakers.net') which is full of Windows-gamers... who say they'll switch to Linux when it has (a) games and (b) support for the crappy/weird hardware
User31: User47 dmraid is one of the things that'd need
User47: it would also let me share my two disks in a raid0 with a certain other os
User47: :)
User58: did the -devel list change the reply-to to point to the list?
User33: no
User58: odd, gmail used to have Reply and Reply To All, now it's only showing Reply, which goes to the list
User46: maybe they figured out what a mailing list was
User58: no, wine-devel and d-d-l are still showing those options
User54: reply to is normal here, looking at Amaranth's last message
User58: that's the strangest thing
User58: is the "Precedence: list" header new?
User58: err, no, wine-devel has that too
User58: oh well, i'll just enjoy it
User33: User3 grumpf, you broke pycairo the same way as pygtk
User33: User3 -dev packages are not to make empty when you drop python2.3 stuff :p
User3: User33 fix the rules file, so that that change is a one liner ;-P
User38: seb128, but it saves a lot of CD space :)
User33: that's no my package
User8: User33 what? is it mine now?
User33: User38 I'm not sure than some .h .pc are the issue on the CD :p
User3: User33 you own NO package in ubuntu :P
User33: User8 speaking about Debian maintainer
User38: somehow we need to compensate for example-content :P
User8: User33 I was just kidding
User33: :)
* dholbach hugs seb128
User33: i (h)ate you :p
User3: kids!
* dholbach pushes the red button on his desk and a huge trapdoor under seb128's feet opens
User33: ahhhhhh
* dholbach waves seb128 byebye :)
User33: I'll come back soon
User33: hihihi
User8: User33 you have to practise the diabolic laughing a bit :)
User33: I've to ask to jdub, he has some nice ones I'm sure ;)
User38: we should have more freezes, everybody is so releaxed afterwards :)
User33: we have enough freeze
User33: UI and string freeze still to come
User38: but from a logical point of view, we could relax more if we had more ...
User38: :)
User39: User32 it like I timed adding gdebi to the desktop seed bad. you already did a ubuntu-meta upload today...
User54: gdebi will be installed by default?
User39: User54 yes, it will do into the desktop seed
User54: ok, thanks
* mdke amends the docs
User59: User39 hi, could you check your e-mail at some point? I sent you update-notifier's translation twice during the last two weeks, and I just now sent you gai, update-manager (at least for which you said you'd include translations in bzr happily), update-notifier and language-selector translations also
User59: it appears you are developing all of those
User59: no hurry, I just wonder if they're going to /dev/null
User39: User59 I did all of them already IIRC, update-notifier should be in svn already
User39: User59 do you follow bzr/svn?
User59: User39 yes.. not in update-notifier's svn, and the others I didn't send you until 3 minutes ago
User39: User59 thanks for the g-a-i one :)
User59: Finnish (fi.po)
User39: User59 looking at it now, I'll send you a mail when it is in
* mvo goes for some early dinner
User59: User39 thank you! and you're welcome.
User46: User61 ping
User60: mvo, I also sent you update-manager pt.po a while ago.. I think not included yet. :-))
User46: User61 we'd like to demote gtk-sharp in favor of gtk-sharp2, working on a patch for tomboy
User46: User61 is that the last thing seeded by your count?
User32: User39 ah well ...
User61: User46 is what?
User39: User60 no? can you please resend it, maybe it didn't made it or something. a upload is scheduled for today :)
User60: mvo, probably now is very outdated, but I will send it anyway...
User39: User60 thanks
User46: User61 tomboy
User61: User46 the last thing seeded?
User61: in which sense of "last"?
User46: User61 if we build tomboy against gtk-sharp2 binaries, can we make gtk-sharp go away
User46: to universe
User61: that would be good
User61: User46 so tomboy is the only package in main which uses it?
User61: (did you check germinate?)
User46: oh crap
User46: dbus
User46: has libgtk-cil as a build-dep for some reason
User47: because it uses the gtk mainloop
User47: in c#
User1: User47 that's the glib mainloop
User1: i'll get this fixed
User1: don't worry
User46: User1 rock.
User47: User1 yeh but last check glib was only in gtk-cil? or has it been split out now?
User47: ah thats changed
User47: cool
User46: User47 its always been split
User46: User47 in debian
* Lathiat wonders if hes getting confused with something else
User47: perhaps python
User47: yes i think
User1: User63 yes
User1: s/lamont/Lathiat/
* lamont grumbles at nfsv4, prepares to drop it again
User1: User46 so dbus is the last one build-depending on gtk-sharp stuff?
User46: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/dapper/dapper_main_Sources
User46: there are only a handful of -cil's if you jump around to get a picture
User1: User46 it doesn't even build-depend on it in reality... it's only a leftover in control :o
User46: User1 oh, thats useful
User1: User46 fixed
User62: I'm just wandering, is it a good idea to use Dapper for developping Dapper?
User46: slomo++
User46: User62 of course it is
User46: User62 the launchpad guys call it "eating your own dogfood"
User35: User62 dapper is rocking :)
User35: indeed. using what you develop do develop it :)
User35: (a bit recursive, but what the hack, fogooding is I gues smore simple)
* theCore love recursion
User62: I got a disk crash recently, so I'm thinking to get Dapper as a new install.
User62: btw, does any of you know how to fix an inode table?
User62: (manually, of course)
User35: User62 I don't know manually :) there's fsck for that AFAIK
User54: mdz, could we add a DocumentationTranslationDeadline for April 13th, same as LanguagePackDeadline? gives them an extra week, later translations shouldn't break stuff
User61: User54 to be honest, I think the existing deadlines are already quite late
User61: there is not only breakage to consider, but problems with the translations themselves
User54: mdz, ok, but doesn't that apply to language packs too?
User61: User54 within language packs, most of the contents can be fixed after release with no ill effects if necessary (i.e., packages not installed by default)
* mdke nods
User54: ok then!
User61: with documentation, it's on the live CD forever
User61: and forever on the desktops of users who don't have Internet access
User54: mdz, ok, that makes sens.
User61: so we should leave at least some time for users to see the translations
User54: +e
User54: although we can't fix bugs in the translations without getting translators to fix it in rosetta, and then synching again
User61: User54 if you can enable documentation translation through language packs...
User54: haha
User54: i wish
User33: User61 I wanted to build nautilus linked with libbeagle (that's a small C lib, it allows to use beagle at runtime if installed and use standard simple method if not) but beagle promotion didn't happen yet ... it should probably be scheduled for next cycle rather now, right?
User1: User32 tomboy needs gtk#2 now (and dbus is fixed to not depend on gtk#)... can you a) get gtk-sharp2 in main again, it was already approved before breezy release and b) will gtk-sharp move to universe automatically when there's no build-dependy and dependency anymore in main?
User63: User64 ping
User64: User63 'sup?
User63: looking at your util-linux patch....  you think that's the right solution (as in, I should upload it to debian?)
User64: User63 what was the change?
User63: hwclock -> S50
User63: "after /usr is mounted, fer shur"
User64: hmm, tricky one; our rcS is rather different from Debian's
User63: User64 actually, you completely trashed module loading
User61: User33 if pitti has time to do it soon, it's OK
User64: User63 I did, how did I do that?
User33: User61 ok, thank you!
User64: User63 I think we would have noticed if it were completely trashed ... :)
User63: User64 hwclockfirst.sh is specifically there to address having time be correct during module loading.
User64: User63 why does the time need to be correct during module loading?
* lamont goes to find the archived debian bug
User64: and if it does, hwclockfirst.sh wasn't any good either, it would need to be in the initramfs!
User64: (where we load a good portion of the modules)
User63: bugs.debian.org/50572
User32: User1 have to go out soon, so not now
User63: modules.dep
User42: Has anyone with the strange ff xml and bookmark problem installed 1ubuntu5 yet ?
User64: User63 ah, you mean "before you generate modules.dep"
User64: yes, I was aware of that
User63: User64 yes
User64: and the fact we don't generate modules.dep on boot was a fair reason I took that out
User32: User61 hmm, I was in hack mode and it didn't really register that you had turned up, but I have to go soon; I might be around for a bit later tonight if you want to discuss espresso progress, otherwise let's make it Monday?
User63: User64 ok.  I'll merge things so that ubuntu does things diff than debian... go me.
User63: because I'm gonna sync 2.12r-8 after I upload it (dropping nfsv4 again)
User64: ok, please try to keep our local changes :)
User64: they took a while to get right <g>
User64: personally I wish the timezone information wasn't a symlink into /usr
User61: User32 ok
User64: because then we could set the clock at S05 or earlier
User61: User32 it hadn't really registered with me that I had turned up either
User64: I think jbailey said he'd change that in dapper+1
User61: I haven't even finished IRC/mail backlog
User61: from 7 hours ago
User32: ouch
User32: if I chmod +x a file, will bzr notice and record that?
User32: hmm, appears so
User63: User64 any particular objections from you if hwclockfirst.sh existed but did nothing?
User64: User63 yes
User64: User63 please leave things as they are :)
User63: ok
User63: hwclock.sh will get a shade more complicated, but it'll behave correctly
User35: hmm, is there a module or a wrapper around the 'file' shell command for python?
User64: User63 please observe that one of the changes is to make all of hwclock.sh happen in the background
User44: User35 python-magic
User64: tbh, I'd rather you just left the script as it is, and not worry about trying to make the Ubuntu and Debian ones "the same"
User64: especially this close to dapper
User64: we are after UVF, after all
User64: we can worry about merging them when dapper+1 opens
User63: User64 hrm... what actually brought it up was trying to get nfsv4 support in, but I'm about to rip that out anyway...  Which is to say, I'll work on getting it the same, but we don't need to sync now either.
User35: User44 does it come in the stdlib?
User63: User64 so as long as debian works, your merge in dapper+1 should be pretty easy... :-)
User63: User64 in fact, I think I'
User63: ll just ignore it
User64: heh, ok
User63: User64 when do we generate modules.dep?
User44: User35 it's probably installed on Ubuntu:  apt-cache search python-magic
User64: User63 in the postinst of new kernel and module packages
User63: ok
User64: after all, the module information isn't going to magically change :)
User35: User44 it's in universe :-/
User35: User44 I wish it was in main, probably woth another main inclusion report :)
User42: These xen people are mad.  It downloads linux-kernel-yada.tar.bz in debian/rules build.
User64: sounds like a doogieism
User42: No, I think it came from upstream.
User42: There's various witterings on the pkg-xen list about how to make it not do that.
User65: Hello @ all - Did someone mention already that if you paste an extraordinary long string to an variable GnomeApplication it will kill the application?
User8: i just copied 1.000.000 lines
User8: and still no crash
User8: do i need more?
User65: I just copied 164k file and every application I tried crashed...
User20: any kernel guys here, just filed a bug
User20: can help try to debug it if needed?
User66: try #ubuntu-kernel
User67: re
User8: User65 if you could follow the instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash and file a bug on the crashing application, that'd help
User67: dsl IP change
User67: User42 did you get what I was saying?
User8: wb seb128_
User67: User8 what did you read from me since some min?
User67: since -> for
User8: mdz User33 if pitti has time to do it soon, it's OK
User8: Keybuk User63 I did, how did I do that?
User8: seb128 User61 ok, thank you!
User63: User8 did what?
User67: <seb128> User42 I think you broke epiphany-browser without your DefaultApplicationsFirefox change
User67: <seb128> s/without/with
User67: <seb128> User42 it download stuff all the time now instead of opening the "do you want to ... open ... download" dialog
User8: User63 excusez-moi - seb128_ was asking what the last thing was, the world heard from him
User63: ah, okl
User8: User63 (before he vanished)
User8: User63 sorry
User67: User8 I was asking from some min ago
User63: np. /me goes back to sleep. :-)
User8: User63 good night then :)
User67: I was not timeouted one hour ago :)
User8: have a nice weekend
User31: Diziet killed my bookmarks!
User31: oh wait
User31: it's the langpack thing
User31: User42 nm
User6: User63 I forwarded the changelog-entry from util-linux_2.12r-8 to nfsv4-list :)
User6: ..and of course they released a new version of librpcsecgss today
User63: User6 thanks much
User63: it's pretty easy to reproduce: apt-get install nfs-user-server on machine A, export something, and mount it on machine B :-(
User63: the v4 code sends an extra 0x10 bytes in its rpc request, which gets it a 'server down' error
User63: and I don't feel like bit-decoding
User6: thanks, I'll add that to the mail
User6: it's strange because the patch is pretty old, but maybe RH or SuSE has patches that they haven't sent upstream
User6: but I'll continue to investigate this
User63: User6 and given the collection of twisty mazes of stuff, I didn't feel like tracking down _what_ it thought it was trying to do...
User63: it could just be a bug in sarge/nfs-user-server's portmapper... but we still have to work around it...
* lamont lunches
User63: User6 and fwiw, I fixed a couple compile warnings in the patch, which is still there, just not applied.
User6: User63 does the user-server only support udp? the default is tcp after the patch
User6: I got a fast reply =)
User6: (from the list)
User7: instlaler installed everything to a fairly sane raid setup (/boot on hda1, / on md0) but on reboot the kernel couldn't mount md0 on / and dropped me to a prompt
User7: posting to lanuchpad - what package?
User7: nm, package is optional now
User64: tsk @ hunger ... filing bugs just because you *think* there's a problem, without actually confirming whether there is or isn't, is just not tennis, ok? :)
User64: ugh
User64: I hate openssl
User64: I can never remember how to bloody well make certs and crap
User61: User33 gnome-games-data.prerm takes an impressive 3 minutes on my desktop
User68: there used to be a good guide on the freeswan site
User33: User61 gconftool?
User61: User33 yes
User61: 3 minutes!
User33: User61 I've some good optimization on my box, I worked with Josselin on that
User33: I'm testing it atm on my box
User61: on a 2GHz machine with ultra2 disk
User61: what does the optimization do?
User33: it concatenates the list of schemas if there is one and call gconftool a different way
User33: the gnome-applets schemas registration takes 4s instead of 54s before
User33: but I want to give some testing to the concatenation stuff before uploading
User33: that way it parses the xml base only once
User33: that's a bit of a hack but should work fine
User61: sounds wonderful
User33: we change gconf-schemas, which is the helper used by dh_gconf
User33: ie: should be transparent
User33: I'll upload monday if it works fine until then on my box
User33: you will get no translation
User33: for main packages, that's it
User33: yep
User33: it'll just be in english
User33: english
User33: yep, applications are usually coded in english
User33: but that's not really the change to speak about that, you may want to try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-motu if you start with packaging
User33: change -> chan
User33: still not the right chan :)
User33: but you got a reply so that should be fine
User33: you're welcome
User35: User33 do you know if there anywhere a reference for python-gnome2-desktopbd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5fnautilusburn python module? Seems missing from pygtk.org..
User33: User35 dunno, but the API is the C one wrapped so you can use the C one
* sivang goes to look for the C implementation docs
User33: anyway, time to stop IRC for today, later
User35: User33 good night , have fun!
User63: User6 dunno - I'll try forcing udp
User63: rpc.nfsd 9745 root    4u  IPv4  24197       UDP *:2049
User63: rpc.nfsd 9745 root    5u  IPv4  24200       TCP *:2049 (LISTEN)
User63: User6 ^^
User63: and it's the query to portmapper that kills it, not the actuall nfsd/mountd conversation
User26: hello again
User69: howdy folks -- i just have a question that seems a uniquity in ubuntu that i wanted to ask your thought on... in gconf, there are two similar keys: /desktop/gnome/applications/browser and /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http -- most distributions seem to sync the two together automagically... ubuntu seems to entirely ignore /desktop/gnome/applications/browser (i.e. it's set for epiphany, even if epiphany isn't installed and firefox is the default
User69: is it just that no gnome application uses /desktop/gnome/applications/browser or that ubuntu has hacked everything to only rely upon /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http
User70: Anyone want to give me a hand building gtk-gnutella 0.96.1 release?
User70: I can compile/install it, but I want to build an official-quality deb as an exercise
User5: bluefoxicy, #ubuntu-motu for that sort of stuff
User70: ok
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