User1: ciao all
User2: In the FAQ Guide the titles should be bolded not the menu location
User2: its hard to navigate
User3: hi. anyone around?
User4: mdke, pong
User3: I registered the "learnlinux" project to start translating it to my language (pt_BR).
User3: Do i have just to send it (the po files) to rosetta admins?
User5: segfault, yes
User5: and Launchpad-related questions are more likely to get an answer in #launchpad
User3: i know, i asked here because the doc team had worked in some situations like this.
User3: those books are made by several PO files, and not one per book
User3: i dunno if it can be dangerous or no.
User3: IIRC, they converted the faqguide into one big file because of some problems
User2: hi
User3: mdke, jbailey?
User6: hi
User7: anyone know about a new ubuntuguide? (someone working on it, do they need help etc)
User8: hi guys
User8: hmmm kjcole isn't around..
User9: morning all
User9: Burgundavia, ping take two?
User9: jabra, yes have been working on one
User9: segfault, learnlinux is not our project
User9: jdub, ?
User10: User9 yo?
User9: jdub, did you get my mail about planet?
User9: good morning btw
User10: dunno
User10: will check later
User10: returning to sleep now ;)
User9: thanks
User9: bah
* mdke goes to work
User4: mdke, grr, seems we misssed each other again
User4: mdke, email me
User4: salut jsgotangco
User11: hi Burgundavia
User11: how's things?
User4: tired but happy
User4: just came back from our Breezy release party
User11: ohhh
User11: we're going to have ours tommorow
User11: after the the LUG meet
User4: just 4 of us, myself, madpilot, robitaille and a mutual friend of madpilots and mine
User11: that
User11: that's Ubuntu Victoria?
User4: indeed
User11: wow
User11: its so quiet today...
User1: Morning
User4: morning Kinnison
User1: hey corey. How's you?
User4: pretty good
User1: coolio
User11: brb
User11: hey rob^lt
User11: whoa
User3: dunno
User3: i can help to configure apache if wanted
User9: yeah i posted the status on the list last night
User9: any replies are welcome
User9: as set out in that email
* rob^ hasn't got it
User9: k
User9: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/3377
User9: a further message in that thread says that the 3rd item in that list is fixed
User9: cool
User9: the main ones are the last two
User9: re: the first one, we can always joshua23@example.com/breezy IMO
User9: there are 3 GB free on the linode so space isn't an issue
User9: hang on
User9: there should be a way to build the doc without the rev history
User9: don't edit the doc because you'll break the translations even more
User9: no
User9: we want the translations to be able to go on the website too, don't forget
User9: or other websites
User9: segfault, if you can figure out what is wrong with apache and provide some patches, i'd be glad. I can give you a login
User9: ?
User9: you'll have to squash them for the next release I think
User9: the docs were frozen ages ago dude
User9: i don't see a reason to have two versions of the  faqguide , one in the distro and one on the web
User9: do you?
User9: the bugs are not bad anyhow
User9: I'm sure there is a way to build the doc without revhistory, because that doesn't appear in the main body of the document
User9: i'm just waiting for someone who understands xsl to tell me
User9: ok i gtg
User9: claude had an answer but it didn't work
User9: see that thread
User9: (gone)
User12: I've got a slight issue when translating the faqguide
User12: warning and caution is the same in my language
User12: should I just make the two the same in my translation, though it'd look weird?
User5: User12 hmm, interesting question
User5: do you know which is more serious?
* mpt hasn't seen the faqguide in a while
User5: ok, warning is more serious
User5: could you translate that as a word like "danger" instead?
User5: hmm, perhaps that's too dramatic
User5: perhaps translate caution as something like "be careful"
User7: could I help out with the ubuntuguide for breezy?
User12: mpt, yep, my initial translation amounts to something like "critical warning", which might seem a bit over the hill
User5: User12 Keep in mind that you don't need to translate the sentences directly -- you could translate them in another way that gets across the same meaning, like a map legend for example.
User5: but really, that section of the document is rather embarrassing, it shouldn't exist at all
User12: I really wish I had the time and resources to create a document detailing all the parts of varios packages that make a translator's life difficult ;)
User12: direct translations is indeed a problem
User12: I correct many of them every day
User12: :/
User12: many translators also seem to use less formal language than you'd normally see in proprietary applications
User12: we really should have a guideline for things like that
User12: if there isn't one already
User7: I am currently working on a step by step guide to install ubuntu breezy
User7: doing it in vmware with a movie to play back
User7: is there anything I could help with for the ubuntuguide?
User9: ah crap
User9: segfault, still here?
User3: yeah
User3: what happened?
User9: know anything about character encoding?
User3: a little
User3: whats cracking?
User9: ok here is the situation
User9: check out  http://help.ubuntu.com/quicktour/quicktour.html
User9: symbols are all cranky until you put your browser to utf-8
User9: so the solution would probably be to set apache DefaultEncoding to utf-8
User9: but when I do that, the faqguide goes crazy
User3: the html file should tell the browser what he's using
User3: or at least some .htaccess
User9: i guess the problem is that the quicktour uses utf-8 and the faqguide iso
User9: but that really shouldn't be a problem :/
User9: there must be something wrong with apache
User3: # AddDefaultCharset Off
User3: you can add that to .htaccess file
User9: if I put AddDefaultCharset Off in the apahce conf, would that work too?
User3: humm, dunno
User3: IIRC, the default charset isn't really set
User9: ok it works :)
User9: cool thanks
User3: np
User9: jbailey, any luck on that Makefile?
User13: User9 Nope, but I can look at it now easily enough.
User9: yay
User13: I'm mostly back up and running.
User13: User9 So the problem was that you want to generate HTML stuff, yes?
User9: jbailey, the makefile generates html stuff
User13: Is this to go into wiki.ubuntu.com?
User9: jbailey, i need two changes, 1. to build all languages rather than just C and 2. to build one faqguide rather than for 3 arches
User9: jbailey, it is to go onto help.ubuntu.com
User9: and in the case of the translations, to whichever site the LoCoteams wish
User13: Ah, help.ubuntu.com is new to me.
User9: jbailey, it is new
User9: it has only been working for 5 minutes :D
User13: Ah!
User13: Where is it hosted?
User9: on our linode
User9: which is well slow
User9: but it was the only quick way to get a site up
User9: doc.ubuntu.com is there too
User9: the idea is that doc.u.c will be for workinprogress, while help.u.c for stable stuff
User9: jbailey, oh there is a 3. as well: the faqguide is currently building html to include the revhistory, if possible I would like it to stop that (http://help.ubuntu.com/faqguide/C/index.html)
User13: Sorry, what's a linode?
User13: Hmm
User9: jbailey, it's a virtual server (linode.com)
User13: The revision history can be nice to know if something changed.
User9: jbailey, not when the doc is stable and frozen, users want to know how to do stuff, not the revhistory IMHO
User9: anyhow, the faqguide as appears in the OS has no revhistory
User13: Ah cool, I didn't know about linode.com before.
User9: jbailey, canonical have a couple, originally intended to get more but they realised they were bad value compared to dedicated servers :) anyhow the docteam has one of em
User13: Bad value?  How?
User13: I don't see how it could go badly at $20 a month. =)
User9: not much power and there are cheap dedicated
User9: http://www.serverpronto.com/
User9: ^ is the one they went with I think
User13: These prices are insane. =)
User3: i have joshua23@example.com
User3: stable as rock.
User9: jbailey, heh
User9: jbailey, so have i been clear about the 3 issues?
User13: Yeah, Ithink so.
User13: do you want the other languages named faqguide.LANG.html ?
User13: I think that's the way Apache usually expects them for content negotiation.
User9: hmm
User9: i don't mind
User9: i wasn't planning to get into that
User9: i was just gonna link them all :D
User13: =)
User9: jbailey, in fact I think linking them is a good idea because in some cases they will wish to link to external websites (ubuntu-it.org ubuntu-fr.org etc)
User13: 'k
User9: so any filename :)
User13: 'k
User13: Bah
* jbailey has to install subversion and the stuff to generate the docs.
User9: jbailey, i can give you a login to the linode server
User9: jbailey, you can't commit but you will at least have access to a checkout
User13: No, it's all good.
User13: I need this stuff installed locally anyway
User9: k
User9: jbailey, gtg now, gimme a bell if you get anywhere with that Makefile. If you do, we can rerun your script to update the translations, and build some translated html :D
User13: Cool.
User13: For dapper should we have regular updates of both then?
User13: The package and the docs.ubuntu.com?
User13: That would mean feeding updates to the LoCoTeams somehow.
User14: hi everybody
User14: i just got my bluetooth headset working with skype and I wrote a small Howto
User14: Perhaps it would be usefull for someone else, I just posted it in the forums: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75978 . Dont know if its good enough for the wiki
User9: jbailey, doc.ubuntu.com will be updated with our dapper stuff yeah, but it won't get translated until doc freeze, so no need to let the locoteams know
User9: jbailey, only the released stuff (breezy) is translated
User9: (help.u.c)
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