User1: ah
User2: Does anyone know the Mint server name. I want to add it to freenode as I use Ubuntu and Mint
User2: Hi
User2: I want to say I luv Ocelot alot
User2: How do I top up a mobile dongle? (Vodafone)
User3: Morning
User4: morning all
User5: good morning everyone.
User6: Morning
User5: morning popey
User4: I am struggling to get XDMCP working with lightDM
User7: aloha
User4: http://askubuntu.com/questions/66431/how-do-i-configure-lightdm-to-work-with-xdmcp
User4: I have enabled it in the config file, and restarted, but port 177 does not seem to be listening
User4: https://answers.launchpad.net/lightdm/+question/174473
User4: looks like it might not work
User6: User4 http://ossg.bcs.org/
User4: User6 yeah, I am going to that
User4: we know Eckhard Schwarzat
User8: Which program does controll the Mobile Broadband?
User8: * I update my 11.10, and Internet -connection stopped work
User8: * my Huawei E367 connects to the operator's network, but do not get internet
User8: * I cannot ping
User8: * it seems that some software is blocking the access to the internet from Mobile Broadband
User8: * probably some blacklist
User4: hi geekMePlease
User4: network manager controls mobile broadband and sometimes it just works
User8: My dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/716874/
User8: User4 I want to know why it stopped working
User4: User8 you haven't run out of credit or something like that?
User8: User4 no
User8: User4 Just went to the operator's shop and checked it there
User8: User4 The stick and the sim-card works with their Windows OS
User8: User4 It reads the memory as CD-ROM that is right
User4: didn't we deal with this the other day?
User8: line 1341
User8: User4 Yes, with a similar problem.
User8: User4 This is a new problem.
User6: do you get an IP address from your isp?
User4: User8 has the update reverted your previous fix?
User8: User4 No.
User8: User4 I reinstalled my ubuntu, which solved the problem
User8: User4 However, I have now a different kind of problem, because I can access the network of the operator, but do not get download nor upload to the network
User8: User4 ping does not work in the network
User4: how about ifconfig
User4: do you get an IP address?
User5: User8 does ifconfig show an ip on it, as popey siggested?
User5: suggested*
User8: User5 my ifconfig http://paste.ubuntu.com/716880/
User8: User5 User4 I do not know which connection the mobile broadband should of the given ones
User5: User8 what does dmesg say? ie, when you connect or disconnect, it should tell you.
User4: User8 ok, so ppp0 is getting an IP address
User4: that is your mobile broadband
User5: ping -I ppp0 ****
User4: ping -I ppp0 ubuntu.com  << as brobostigon suggested
User4: output of "route -n" might be interesting too
User8: User5 packet loss 100%, when pinging google
User8: 100% packet loss to ubuntu.com too
User8: User4 ip route | awk '/default/{print $3}' gives
User8: User4 91.69.162.6, and eth0
User8: User4 route -n: http://paste.ubuntu.com/716886/
User4: yeah, I would expect your default route to be the ethernet when plugged in
User8: seems to
User5: i would disconnect all, but the dongle, and see.
User8: User4 some other address: http://paste.ubuntu.com/716891/
User8: User4 do not know what is the ip address, seems to be local
User6: you dont have to know the ip
User6: the default gateway will be set by the isp when you connect
User6: don't overthink it, just unplug everything, disconnect wifi and plug in dongle, when you connect you should be given an IP, dns servers and gateway
User8: User6 ok, will do it again. see you.
User9: Afternoon peeps
 * penguin42 yawns at bigcalm
User9: Pendulum: I've only just got up myself
User9: User6 ping
User6: User9 pong
User9: Could I trouble you for a couple of screen shots please?
User6: sure
 * bigcalm wonders if he is about to get some random images due to not specifying
User9: Ta :)
User6: yhm
User9: You humour me?
User9: You have mail
User9: Doh
User9: Thank you
User9: I don't see the issue here, humm
User8: User6 User4 User5 same problem still after the rebooting with Mobile Broadband
User8: * my dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/716933/
User8: * the problem is slightly different now
User8: User4 I cannot even connect to the operator's network now
User9: Is it possible to disable window drop shadows in xfce?
User8: User4 User5 User6 see my ifconfig, no pp0 there, http://paste.ubuntu.com/716934/
User8: * it detects the device's memory as CD-ROM, correct
User8: User4 It is jumping between different ttyUSBs from 1 to 4, line 909
User5: !info usb-modeswitch
User8: User5 My ports should be usb-2.0. However, I can see that device number 4 is using ehci_hcd
User5: User8 i cant help much, i dont know alot about these dongles, i dont even own one. that program just came into my head, when you mentioned it was showing up only as usbFS, and not a modem.
User8: User5 User4 User6 my x60's usb-ports work differently: with anterior dexter port the device connect to the operator's network, but cannot ping
User8: * with posterior dexter port the device cannot connect to the operator's network
User8: * it seems that one of my x60's usb-ports is usb-1.0
User8: * see you!
User10: join #ubuntu
User11: Afternoon
User8: User4 User6 no success with 4 reboots, same problem still: the device can connect to the operator's network, but cannot ping so get no internet
User8: User4 User6 The problem does not seem to be because of the given dongle. The same problem is with at least with E163 and E367.
 * daubers hugs hugin
User12: Hmh, Cheese is displaying video from the builtin webcam backwards
User1: you mean it plays what you were about to do before what you just did?
User12: I wish, I'd point it at the lottery result if it did
User4: the timelord effect is quite good isn't it penguin42
User12: User1 The image is reversed, if I hold my right hand up, the image it displays has my left hand up
User1: User4 I knew you'd say that....
User12: And bluetooth doesn't find any devices although appears to be switched on
User13: hai all
User6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I7jCSWdRLQ
User6: â¹
User4: no Ubuntu pi build for us :(
User14: pi in the sky?
User6: yeah, annoying
User1: is anyone else having problems with horizontal scrolling in libreoffice?  I don't seem to be able to in either the spreadsheet or presentation thing
User1: hmm it works in Gnome
User12: User1 i've justed opened libreoffice calc, what do you want testing
User1: User12 Ah too office, I found the bug - it's bug 856210 - horizontal scroll doesn't work in KDE
User1: ^office^late
User1: User12 But thanks for the offer
User12: no probs, if its kde anyway, i wouldn't have had the problem
User15: The Raspberry Pi claims it's for educating kids but children are really going to have to fight for it if they want to beat general Linux enthusiasts and hackers to it. All that for $35. I know I'm buying several when they're released.
User16: User15 it'll end up educating big kids instead ;)
User17: I had to lol at the mailing list
User17: the rugby thread is funny
User4: bit odd to be raising an issue about wanting to watch it, after the last game
User4: User15 it won't run Ubuntu
User4: would be a good toy though
User7: and after the the flipping rwc is over and all
User7: not 8 weeks ago
User7: nooooo
User18: raspberry pi doesn't seem all that educational to me, i mean it comes with a whole linux ready to go, what's educational about that?
User18: writing ruby code is not educational, it's almost the exact opposite
User4: well you don't have to have a fully baked linux
User4: you can do a linux from scratch on a different SD card
User18: again, that's not educational
User18: compiling stuff isn't a particularly useful skill for primary education
User18: i think minecraft is most "educational" computer program i've seen in a while
User18: you are learning simple arithmetic (how many wood blocks do i need to build that fence), navigational skills (not getting lost), and of course anything with redstone
User18: and the best part is you don't even realise it
User4: yes, I know what you mean
User18: that's not to say raspberry pi is bad, it's not, it's great
User4: they want to focus on just doing the hardware and are hoping that others will do the software and educational documentation around that
User19: I think it's more to do with getting them actually interested, rather than seeing the computer as an appliance by which youtube & facebook are delivered
User4: so they are keen on people putting scratch on it etc
User18: yes, which is why it is ironic that raspberry pi is based on hardware which is designed to deliver facebook and youtube and not a whole lot more
User4: what they *really* want is the BBC to back it like a new BBC micro
User18: scratch is something else i don't like
User4: I don't either, but some teachers do
User16: scratch?
User4: visual programming tool
User4: logo on steroids
User18: scratch does not encourage novel designs
User18: and the drag and drop coding...
User18: well it's bad enough kids can't handwriting... soon they won't even be able to type
User4: eben did want to ship it so that it just booted to a python prompt
User18: now that's something i would be down with :)
User4: >>> and a blinking cursor
User18: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW8qjTd5hpQ
User18: something i've been worried about for some time
User18: the reverse is also true:
User18: when your thought is limited by a drag and drop GUI, and your communications are filtered by autocomplete... well, this is bad
User18: i would have it boot to two windows: one a python prompt, the other one a LAN chat type thing
User18: possibly not python... entering python at the prompt is kind of hard due to the need for whitespace and the way it is designed in general
User18: you actually can do surprisingly little in 1 line of python
User18: so then you have to understand whitespace rules before you can do anything
User4: you would like Eben I think
User18: any news on release date?
User4: still November
User18: so... could be 1 week could be 5...
User4: I imagine they would be annoyed if it slipped past christmas
User18: yeah i would be annoyed too :)
User18: something like that ubuntu classroom irc tool would be good
User18: lernid
User18: except with an integrated IDE
User4: see the thing is that is totally possible to build and distribute on an SD card as an appliance
User18: yes
User4: so you don't have one HDD at all
User18: well a SD effectively is a HDD
User18: you might want a server though
User18: i mean to save work
User4: you might have an SD card with a linux from scratch project going on, another that boots to a working desktop for typing up reports and printing them, another that boots to scratch etc
User18: otherwise you need the kids to look after a usb drive or something
User18: and not lose it
User18: and while that might be educational in itself, you probably want a backup too
User4: no, they look after several SD cards
User18: i'd have the lab setup so that the machine netboot
User4: yes, the SD is acting as HDD, but the concept that goes is having "one" of them
User18: and you get a menu
User18: it can netboot right?
User4: dunno
User18: otherwise some kind is going to put goatse as his wallpaper and etc
User18: you have to remember that you have the whole range
User18: some of the kids won't have seen a computer before
User18: another kid probably already built linux in his bedroom
User4: no pxe built in
User4: however, you could set up  an SD card that just does a PXE boot
User18: that kid is going to be the one who shows up to class with a SD card modified with some nasty denial of service tool
User18: so yeah, i'd want at least some kind of centralized control
User4: not a good platform for that
User18: sure it is
User18: i don't want it to be impossible to hack
User18: just a way to see "kid #43 is up to something"
User18: for example, you could boot from your own SD card, but then you wouldn't be logged onto the network -> teacher can see who is logged in and who isn't
User18: but if you were smart enough you could make your own SD card that logs into the network
User4: if that happened I think the raspberry pi team would be delighted :)
User18: seems like mer is going to be a good fit on it
User4: probably
User4: I can imagine having a little box of SD cards
User4: in fact I *have* a little box of SD cards
User4: maybe debian/HURD
User18: lolno
User4: I have 6 assorted SD cards
User4: the thing to do is forget the idea of having one good configuration
User18: well the thing is, you can put a whole load of "good" configurations on a server
User18: then you don't have to trust a 10 year old not to lose a small piece of plastic the size of a postage stamp
User18: mer can also easily build many different configurations with mic
User4: it is also cheap enough to use embedded in robots
User4: although the battery power option just got a bit tricky as it needs a regulated 5v supply now
User18: that is not particularly hard to do if you are building a robot
User18: that's 4 AA or AAA and a 7805
User4: yeah
User18: 7805 won't work but still
User4: why not?
User4: it does 5v
User18: it needs minimum of 7.5V
User18: to produce 5V regulated
User4: ok, so 4AA is going to dip fairly quick, but 6AA should work
User18: yes
User18: or you can use a low drop out regulator instead
User18: either way it isn't a huge challenge
User4: not huge, but a touch more involved than it was with the onboard regulator
User18: batteyr operation isn't all that useful, i think
User18: sure for robots
User4: actually you can probably get a 6AA -> regulated 5V microUSB off the shelf
User18: yeah you can get those USB battery packs
User18: azelphur knows all about those :)
User20: I do? :o
User18: yes.
User4: http://www.bodhilabs.com/
User20: oh USB battery packs
User20: I know a bit, I have a pretty big one strapped to myheadset
User18: yes, well, arduino is a lot simpler
User18: you wouldn't get much life out of just 2 AA
User4: yup
User18: i would like a nice medium size oled touchscreen to use with it
User5: good night, sleep well everyone.
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