User1: ari-tczew: you might want to leave a message for him, because he's out all weekend racing his kayak
User1: well its just that he's offline
User1: so contentless ping isnt gonna be much help later i dont think
User2: ah maco2
User2: I need a MOTU :)
User2: if you have time, would you review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kfritz
 * maco2 looks
User1: User2 can i be picky about lack of commas in debian/control?
User1: or ooooh maybe im reading it wrong and teh lack of commas is right
User1: "new incoming or outgoing calls" is that "new incoming" or are "new" and "incoming" separate?
 * maco2 plays with uscan
User3: User1 Yes.  Please, be picky.
User1: User3 i was reading wrong
User1: User3 it occurred to me that "new, incoming, and outgoing" didnt make sense as a new call HAD to be either incoming or outgoing :P
User1: so "new incoming and outgoing" (as neversfelde has) is just fine
 * ScottK nods
 * maco2 growls at REVU
User1: it 403 forbiden'd me when i tried to wget the .changes
 * Tm_T huggles maco2
User1: dangit. i cant debuild this on karmic because my debhelper's not new enough
 * maco2 shakes fist
User1: i dont see any reason why lucid's debhelper should make my machine explode... *tries to get it from packages.ubuntu.com*
User3: User1 That's a security feature.  Log into your pbuilder, build the source there and then copy it out of the chroot
User1: "feature"?
User1: hrmph.
User4: why are you wgetting the changes? does dget on the dsc suffice?
User3: If .changes were available, anyone's who had upload priviledges could be grabbed and the package uploaded to Ubuntu.
User1: User3 ah i thought you were saying the lack of debhelper on my system capable of building this was a feature
User3: No.
User3: Althought it's a pretty funny idea now that you mention it.
User1: ok pbuilder is updating and then umm i didnt write down how crimsun told me to do the manual building inside pbuilder thing so im gonna need help. i think "clean" was the first thing...
User4: when you login, it tells you the absolute path on the host
User4: cp the source package there
User4: then install build-deps as necessary and clean+binary
User4: (there are easier ways)
User1: O_O
User1: aptitude crashed while installing build-deps
User1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/385417/
User1: crimsun, ScottK ^ ummm help?
User1: hmm nevermind. apt/dpkg seem to be perfectly happy
User1: User4 how do you do the clean+binary? cd into the package then debian/rules clean && debian/rules binary ?
User1: User2 umm... FFe??
User1: User2 do you have a FFe for that package?  like, can i upload it without getting in trouble?
User1: User2 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess says you need a motu-release person to say "ok" before i upload that
User5: Quintasan|Szel: pong
User6: hm, does Kubuntu patch Qt/make modifications to Qt? Apparently some Scribus people claim that...
User7: User6 other than what is in kde-qt ?
User6: hm, does Kubuntu patch Qt/make modifications to Qt? Apparently some Scribus people claim that...well, there's a guy complaining that Scribus just doesn't work well in Ubuntu while it does in Debian
User6: and that the Scribus devs complaiend about that, too
User6: complained*
User6: and since Scribus uses Qt, not KDE, that would only be true if we modify Qt, or am I mistaken?
User8: User6 what does that guy mean doesnt work well ? mine working well ..
User6: User8 well, I am asking him to provide sources right now :)
User8: User6 yeah .. u rite ..
User8: cant blame without any proof or sources ..
User5: User6 the scrubs people always had that claim
User5: all the proof I ever saw was one rather bogus bug report
User5: hm, scribus to scrubs is also quite a jump
User5: User6 we have a patch that fixes a bug where fglrx reports a 0 size screen
User5: User6 we have a patch that prevents flickering when a window gets redrawn
User5: we do not build with firebird/ibase support
User5: we install a qtrc that sets the default style to plastique
User5: and that is everything that is different from debian
User6: User5 thanks :)
User6: I asked him for sources about that claim anyway, so we will see
User5: User6 FTR, scribus package is also exactly the same except for one patch that opens http help urls with a web browser
User6: which can't cause a crash I assume
User5: just looked at the code, not very likely ;)
User6: OK, thanks, we will see what he answers
User5: User6 where did he complain?
User6: in the ubuntu-ch@ mailing list
User6: but I know the chap, he is fast to complain with mostly bogus sources
User5: mhh, love htat kind
User6: yeah, me too :)
User6: the worst is that he thinks he is an expert... which can be torn to pieces in just one or two seconds
User2: User1 thanks for reviewing and sorry my network connection was down. I will file the ffe today.
User9: hrm, I can't seem to dput to ninjas...
User9: "Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refused"
User9: but as you can see by your reading of my message, I do, in fact, have a working internet connection
User5: User9 I suppose there is some kind of debug mode for dput?
 * apachelogger is going back to graz today \\o/
User9: User5 dunno
User5: User9 --help :P
User9: I can upload to the ubuntu archive, just not any ppas
User5: maybe that part of lp is in maintenance
User5: User9 I'd go check with people in #launchpad
User9: huh, works now
User5: ah
User5: PEBKAC :P
User9: hmm, I just saw this in debian/rules for kde-l10n-es:
User9: #take translations from stable branch to match our KDE 4.3 version
User9: SVNREV={2009-11-01}
User9: and that var is used in the fetching of desktop translations later on
User9: bad thing, right?
User5: -.-
User5: User9 should be bumped
User5: I suppose
User9: User5 coincidentally, could you sponsor kde-l10n-si from https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa ?
User9: it's not been updated since 4.2.98 -.-
User9: Riddell: if you could take a look at bug 528322, that'd be great. (These removals should be non-controvesial)
User10: Launchpad bug 528322 in kde-l10n-sr-latin "package kde-l10n-sr-latin (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/sr@latin/entry.desktop', which is also in package kde-l10n-sr 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu1 (dup-of: 451679)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528322
User10: Launchpad bug 451679 in kde-l10n-sr-latin "package kde-l10n-sr-latin (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/sr@latin/entry.desktop', which is also in package kde-l10n-sr 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu1" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451679
User9: oops
User9: bug 529488
User10: Launchpad bug 529488 in kde-l10n-uz-cyrillic "Request for removal from archive (source and binary)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529488
User9: Here's a list of "no longer distributed upstream" packages that are uselessly sitting around in the archive and failing to pass rebuild tests: http://pastebin.com/h7LVdmzn
User9: Should be ok to remove those too since they've in theory already been rosetta imported
 * apachelogger needs to revive batl10n
User5: User9 did you ensure it is in 100% sync with the other kde-l10n packages?
User5: differences would make batch processing difficult
User9: I did bump the standards version, before noticing that everything else brian55@example.org :S
User5: omg!
User5: how could you
User5: :(
User5: User9 rules is also not in sync
User9: User5 the get-desktop part?
User5: User9 also using source format 3.0
User5: User9 just diff your packaging with kde-l10n-fr
User5: or de or something
User9: hrm, kde-l10n-es doesn't seem to be using source format 3.0
User9: they're all out of sync :(
User5: cool
User9: -de isn't using source format 3.0 neither
 * apachelogger also notes that kde-l10n-de for some reason includes a patch
User5: User9 changelog says so
User5: +  * Use source format 3.0 to preserve upstream .bz2
User9: changelog lies
User11: ... do we really need x11-apps on the CD? kubuntu-desktop depends on xorg which depends on x11-apps
User5: xorg probably depends on them for a reason
User9: jonathan@jonathan-laptop:~/ubuntu/kde-l10n/kde-l10n-de/kde-l10n-de-4.4.0$ ls debian/source/format
User5: of much greater concern is if we need gst :P
User9: ls: cannot access debian/source/format: No such file or directory
User5: User9 well, it got a patch from debian which is even weirderior
User9: User5 when you convert to source format 3.0, all packaging changes get changed to a quilt patch
User9: *all source changes get changed to a quilt patch
User5: not mentioned in the changelog at all from what I see
User5: oh
User5: that is a) cool b) weird in that particular case
User5: User9 do you want to look into syncing the packages?
User9: all of them? :(
User5: otherwise I'll do that when I am home
User5: User9 of course :P
User9: maybe if I was paid to do so... :P
User5: well
User5: hack batl10n :P
User9: I'm a ruby nooby
User5: right, you only speak cpp and foobar
User5: err python
User5: User9 in that case I shall look at it when I am home or something
User9: thx
User12: hi there, couldn't find upgrade instructions to Lucid on kubuntu.org
User11: User5 but they're so useless in a KDE environment, see the list in the long description... xlogo, xclock, xcalc, xeyes, xbiff, the list goes on.
 * ryanakca goes to find out why Xorg needs them
User5: User11 #ubuntu-x
User12: I ended up using update-notifier-kde -u -d but not being sure it was the-right-wayâ¢
User11: User5 Already there :)
User5: if they are not needed by the content of xorg package, then they shouldnt be deps to begin with
User5: that is a policy violation :P
User12: maybe the official upgrade method could be advertised a bit more ?
 * apachelogger is getting all bitchy if peopel violate the policy
User9: User5 the xorg package is a metapackage, which means maybe something down the line is fscked
User5: User12 so that more people can break their system? :P
User12: it's written everywhere Â« don't test this Â» already :)
User5: User12 it's difficult to not "over document" such things, as upgrading to a dev release is about the most dangeroust things to do
User5: JontheEchidna, User11 checking germinate
User12: ok, I see the point. and I found my answer in the end so all is good I guess
User5: User12 well, IMHO we need to document upgrade testing, but for that we need a clear path, because update-notifier-kde does not even exist in lucid+
User12: what suprises me is that the Ubuntu upgrade method update-manager -d is documented in many places
User12: User5 Is there a replacement intended ? or just using update-manager-core the server way ?
User5: !info xorg
User10: xorg (source: xorg): X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.4+3ubuntu10 (karmic), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
User5: User12 do-release-upgrade I think
User5: regular upgrades are handled via packagekit
User5: which will then call do-release-upgrade, so I suppose the proceeding for upgrades in lucid+ to a dev release is do-release-upgrade -d
User5: User11 aye
User5: User11 so
User5: User11 as JontheEchidna stated, xorg is a metapackage hence it must indeed depend on x11-tools
User5: User11 what needs to happen is that the desktop-common seed must be changed to not depend on xorg but the individual packages that are necessary
User5: which might be difficult to get through because as it seems that would cause quite the mainteinance overhead
User11: User5 OK. So how do I do that?
User11: Ah
User5: User11 I suggest you bring the topic up on ubuntu-devel ml and let them work out some solution ;)
 * apachelogger must do packing
User5: oh my
User11: User5 How big is the *buntu userbase? Would the bandwidth used to download that measly package, simply because it's installed by default, be of concern to anybody?
User11: Assuming it's 4 million users, each one of them downloads it once, 312GB of bandwidth used that doesn't need to be :)
User13: on kubuntu.org is the kubuntu logo over the menu bar for anyone else in konq 4.4.0?
User13: seems to be font size issue
User11: User13 Fine here, feel free to file a bug against the kubuntu-website project and attach a screenshot though
User14: I can't install kdevelop
User14: ;(
User9: User14 If you want a stable IDE, don't use kdevelop ;P
User9: User14 it was removed from the archive since they won't have a stable release before lucid
User3: maco: You have a wacom tablet, right?
User3: Is it working in 10.04?
User14: User9 ;( but its an amazing ide ...
User14: tear
User14: ive been using it for a while
User14: I guess I have to package it myself now...
User9: User14 oh, riddell did throw packages at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta?field.series_filter=lucid
User14: oooo
User15: Wow, I'm missing something that I'm sure is painfully obvious....
User15: I am not finding the tablet control on lspci or lsusb....
User15: where else would I look to find it?
* shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: ubuntu-arm
User16: wth!
User16: how is that i changed the topic?
* ikonia changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: test
* ikonia changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: The channels topic will be reset-asap
User7: nownow
User16: User7 :P
User7: it's meant to be open, btw
User16: User7 changing the topic?
User7: so nothing to be "fixed" in it (:
User7: yes
User16: User7 i dont know.. i think only chan ops should have that privilige
User7: User16 it depends on channel mode(s)
User13: User11 looks like its not just me https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/379213 seems the same issue with the website
User10: Launchpad bug 379213 in kubuntu-website "Kubuntu logo overlaps links at top of page" [Medium,Confirmed]
User16: User13 confirmed here too!
User7: in where exactly?
User16: User7 open kubuntu.org with konqueror
User7: and?
User16: User7 and then check top left corner
User16: User7 http://imagebin.ca/view/eWEKrJ.html
User16: u overlaps Home
User7: I have cap almost as wide as the logo pic
User7: but I have way smaller font size too
User16: Hmmmm im on default everything ;)
User13: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39885472/kubuntuheader.png
User7: I'm in, err, default nothing?
User17: that looks fun
User13: its even worse for me
User16: hehe... well its not _that_ bad here :P
User17: mine is fine
User16: User17 in konqueror?
User17: what resolution screens do you all have?
User17: User16 yes
User13: 1366
User16: User17 1440X900
User17: 1920...
User7: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/konq_4.png
User7: notice the funkyness in overall, it doesn't have those round corners
User16: User7 you seriously need a better plasma theme ;)
User7: User16 why?
User16: black is out of fashion :P
User13: User11 so looks like kubuntu.org requires a really big monitor to view ...
User16: :D
User7: User16 I don't have black other than in centerpiece of analog clock
User7: User13 erm, small font, that's all
User16: ohh....
User16: User7 what about the colors?
User7: what colors?
User13: system load?
User16: User7 the color of the windows
 * shadeslayer starts Heroes Season 1
User7: User16 it's not black
User13: User7 can you shrink your konq window to see if it overlaps?
User7: User13 looks good here when browser is less than 800 px wide, so definately font size issue
User16: really?
User13: weird
User13: dpi?
User7: the normal ~100
User7: but I have font sizes 6-8
User17: ahh, when you shrink the window...
User17: yes, happens here also
User7: ~770 px wide browser is narrowest having bit of gap too
User7: sooo, it needs some love to make sure no matter what, there's no overlapping
User17: http://imagebin.ca/view/mY3XbJ6k.html
User7: User16 and yeah, #363535 is not black (:
User3: User16 Our experience in this channel is that topic changes are rarely abused and so locking down the topic would just make more work for people.
User7: yup
User7: it's easier to deal with very rare abusers than hunting down ops when topic needs updating
User16: User7 :P
User16: User3 ok well i didnt know that the topic could be changed and i wanted to find out the topic for #ubuntu-arm,so i accidently changed the topic ;)
User16: Also as you said,no one abuses the topic,i didnt know that too :P
User15: User1 ping
User15: Hey jjesse
 * PascalFr_parti est parti: Parti pour l'instant.
User7: !away > PascalFr_parti
User10: PascalFr_parti, please see my private message
User11: User7 Do you have JS disabled in konqueror?
User7: User11 no I do not
User7: it works with webkit, dunno what's wrong with khtml today
User7: joys of trunk (;
User7: User11 CSS-based rounded borders isn't an option?
User18: hey DarkwingDuck
User15: User18 hows life? I'm actually back then moving then I'll be in for the long haul lol
User15: arg this is giving a headache.
User18: User15 good way busy
User15: Yeah... what wacom tablet for my tabletPC isn't wanting to work in 10.04A but, it works out of the box in 9.10
User19: User9 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/26995
User19: do you know if we have problems to build kmymoney?
User9: KMyMoney stopped using libkleo the next prerelease
User9: (it only affects kde4 kmymoney)
User9: We're fine, aside from kopete-crypto
User19: ok
User20: User19 urgh, sorry for throwing stuff at you, do you mind doing kdebase? Seems I've broken my system badly and damn thing won't build and I have to got to bed already :(
User19: no problem Quintasan, I'm really busy with kdepim and kopete-crypto for now, but me or JontheEchidna can do later
User20: User19 thanks, I hope I will get it fixed tomorrow
User20: Good night anyways
User19: User20 good night :)
User1: User3 i have one, but i'm still on 9.10 and shtylman_ warned me that my preferred window manager is currently not installable on 10.04
User15: User1 Your a wacom user right?
User1: User15 yes, but not using lucid yet
User19: omg, kdepim-dev and kopete-crypto fixed \o/
User7: waaiiiiiii!
 * Tm_T hides
User8: User19 kudos ..
User19: :)
User15: maco2 okay, I'm upgrading my tabletPC to Lucid and it uses Wacom. I'll let you know about getting it to work when I get there.
User21: hi/2 all
User21: can anyone tell me if sun-java6 was pulled out of lucid?
User19: Riddell: mono needs a kick out from NEW to building kdebindings https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/2.4.4~svn151842-1ubuntu2
User7: User19 you might like to poke someone else, as he's been AFK
User19: I already say in #ubuntu-devel, but there are no archive admin around
User22: is anyone available on Friday, March 5th, from 17:00 to 18:00 UTC to give a talk for Opportunistic Developer Week on "Creating a PyKDE app"? I am scheduled to do it, but my aunt passed away the other day and I will not be able to do it?
 * Tm_T hugs nixternal
 * seele doesn't know what opportunistic developer even means
User22: thanks
User23: User22 sorry to hear that
User22: thanks
User4: User21 yes, it was.
 * apachelogger hugs nixternal
User21: i just found out of a workaround to allow icedtea to work with chromium
 * neversfelde too
User5: more interesting would be icedtea in konqueror -.-
User21: User5 might work too
User21: User5 altought konqueror calls java directly , he doesnt uses the NSPLUGIN
User5: doubtable, my most recent theory was that there is a problem with javascript, disallowing the liveconnect stuff to work properly
User5: User21 must use the plugin for liveconnect magic IIRC
User21: User5 agreed, it implemented in icedtea 1.7
User5: more interesting question, will the intel driver ever support acceleration with dual head
User21: User5 well this way at least its working for chromium , can even run applet demos lol...
User21: not that i bumped into one in ages
User5: well
User5: http://people.canonical.com/~doko/java/ColorBlockApplet.html
User5: meh, no jonny when you need him -.-
User21: User5 yes it works, i can paint the box inside chromium :)
User21: IcedTea NPR Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea6 1.8pre (6b18~pre1-1ubuntu1))
User21: User5 but only if i use my method, which is pretty simple
User5: simple is boring
 * apachelogger starts kontact and syncs 5 imap accounts and like 30 news groups ^^
User21: User5 java is working just fine inside konqueror too with openjdk
User5: User21 that example too?
User21: User5 let me check
User21: User5 no, not the example :D funny thing it works in chromium, go figure
 * _Groo_ is testing firefox 3.6 now
User5: well, I think it is because of the javascript
User5: I think I was trying to debug the problem but ran into problems with the javascript interpreter
User21: javascript aka ecma script /= java...
User21: if the only code in the above url is javascript it has nothing to do with what im testing
User21: or trying to test :P
User5: User21 liveconnect uses javascript
User5: or at least that is how it was explained to me :P
User5: maybe someone was lying to me
User21: User5 works fine with firefox 3.6 too
User21: User5 let me try to FORCE my "solution" to konqueror.. see what comes out
User21: User5 ok, its working just fine now
User21: with konqueror and the aforemetinoed url
User21: User5 killall -9 konqueror, go to settings, enable both kio AND security... be happy
User21: User5 for some stupid reason, kio is disabled by default in kubuntu, and you need it in order to enforce th security model
User21: User5 so now i have java in all 3 main browser, nice :)
User5: User21 I seem to remember that there is a reason for not using KIO
User21: User5 yeah, the reason is that you dont use java lol
User5: nono, I actually made it work in konqueror to begin with :P
User5: User21 do we enforce that KIO-off or does it come from upstream?
User21: User5 prob upstream
User21: User5 if im not mistaken, is one of those forgotten settings.. kio was off in kde 3, because the security model was kinda broken iwht kio 3 , BUT 4 was rewritten
User21: User5 ence safe again to be used, but aparently no one ever remembered to change the jio back to on...
User21: kio
User5: User21 go poke upstream then
User5: I am not going to rip a securiyt breach into konqueror just so that the ubuntu and kde security teams can beat me up :P
User5: oh lol
User21: User5 you just remembered me of that little furry big eyes little fella from madagascar
User5: User21 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/290707/comments/2
User2: there is probably a problem with a not starting kontact because of akonadi for our karmic packages, does someone know more about it?
User10: Launchpad bug 290707 in kdebase "konqueror: LiveConnect/JavaScript not working (IcedTeaPlugin not recognized)" [Unknown,Confirmed]
User5: User2 mysql is crap, akonadi uses mysql, akonadi inherits crappyness :P
User2: :)
User21: User5 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/290707/comments/5
User10: Launchpad bug 290707 in kdebase "konqueror: LiveConnect/JavaScript not working (IcedTeaPlugin not recognized)" [Unknown,Confirmed]
User21: also, in order for chromium to work with icedtea 1.6, just trick icedtead into thinking its being loaded from firefox
User5: User21 redundancy is the key to world domination ^^
User21: just do LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/xulrunner-91.69.162.6/ /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser --enable-plugins
User21: and then just add the path to the chromium-browser script in /usr/bin..
User21: works like a charm :)
User5: fancy
User19: uhmm ktorrent ftbs http://pastebin.ca/1816186
User21: User19 just change this
User21: User19 let me see the ktorrent patch, just a sec
User21: plugins/mediaplayer/videowidget.h
User21: change #include <Phonon/VideoWidget> to #include <phonon/videowidget.h>
User21: User19 should compile and work afterwards
User19: thanks, I will try
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