User1: ok thx :)
User2: man find and info find will give you a lot more options
User3: what is the best way to transfer operating system to a new hard disk?  my current boot+root partition drive is dying
User3: bbl
User2: User3 make new partitions on the other disk and use tar c | tar x to copy all the files with permissions and dates and everything intact
User3: thanks TheSheep
User3: TheSheep why not "cp -ax" instead of tar ?
User4: tar keeps the permissions and hierarchy
User3: i thought that is what -ax does too
User4: might
User3: but it has problems copying special files
User5: Hey guys, i need a bit of help setting up my Xubuntu installation as a server, and i cant find any information that seems to help out
User5: Anyone willing to lend a hand?
User3: justin__ : i just uninstalled all the graphical stuff and installed the server kernel
User5: User3  yeah, but heres the thing
User5: User3 I need very specific things, and all the tutorials i read all talk as if i have semi advanced knowledge, ive been using ubuntu now for months but by no means am an expert
User5: User3  they also dont explain exactly WHAT im doing, just how to do it
User3: what do you need
User5: User3  well first thing i need is this, i need some sort of file sharing service running, that upon accessing the server, it will ask for a name and password, and give them read/write access to certain files/folders that i have set up for them
User5: User3  the closest thing i could get was samba, but i am not catoring to windows users, only linux, and NFS is way beyond my knowledge
User6: User5  Just to pat you on the back, your desire to understand what you're doing instead of just cutting and pasting is a 'Good Thing'
User5: User6  yes, unfortunately, noone else seems to think so, as thats all they tell me to do
User3: i would suggest vsftpd for that sort of file sharing
User5: what i really need is for someone to take some time out, and help me out with a fresh clean install of xubuntu and help me turn it into a server. Walk me through all the steps to properly set it up and to administer it
User5: User3  vsftpd?
User3: if it isnt a heavy usage system, you dont need a special server installation
User7: User5 when you talk about file sharing, do you mean over the web via a webserver, or?
User6: and if it is a heavy usage system, you're gonna have to pay somebody for their admin expertise
User7: more local.
User5: User3  im not going with the server installation, although i do want it to be headless by the time i am done with it
User5: it will be local, just for me and my roomates to use
User7: are any of them windows users?
User6: A straight xubuntu installation should be able to be modified / set up to do what you want
User6: Anyway I'm going to bow out of this discussion for now, road trip to prepare for.
User6: good luck
User5: yes... and no, they all have windows installed, and run dual boot systems with ubuntu and kubuntu, and they will be dropping windows completely as soon as i find the time to get wow+wine working for them
User7: take care, godless
User5: User6  have fun
User7: User5 what kind of files are you going to share?  do you want to stream media, or just share access to files?
User5: User7 well a little bit of both, i need our combined music/video collection to be streamable, and i need a place for them to deposit files for backup purposes or to free up space on their on machines
User7: ok
User7: well...  let me think
User5: User7  further down the line i will also be making it a torrent box, but i can worry about that later, i am in no rush to get this finished, i have two weeks
User5: User7  its just ive been working on it for 2 days and have gotten nothing accomplished
User7: two weeks to set it up as a torrent box, too?
User5: User7  two weeks to get it all set up and running
User1: http://rafb.net/p/VyLRU458.html
User1: can someone please help with that?
User5: User1 what are you trying to do?
User3: you don't need streaming if it isnt a live broadcast
User7: User5 well, i would break it down into steps.  the easiest, and most important thing, is to get basic file sharing put in place.
User7: then you can try and tackle the media streaming
User1: install jre
User7: i would recommend samba for file sharing.
User6: mpd is good for shared media... or just use sshfs to allow everybody to access the shared drive as a folder on their own machine..
User5: User7  yeah, and media streaming isnt that important in the end
User7: User6 does sshfs work with windows?
User6: samba I would only use if windows needs to be accomadated..
User6: User7  ...maybe with cygwin. But I thought everybody was running *buntu
User5: User6  i had ssh working just fine, but i dont know how the CLI will go over with them, And as i said, not accomadating windows will help ease them to linux
User7: yeah, some of his roommates do use windows...
User7: i wouldn't count on windows being removed immediately, either.
User5: User7  yeah thats true
User7: justin... i have some experience with samba, but i'm not a total samba pro.
User7: let me ask a few more questions.
User5: User7 well as of right now, i am just finishing yet another install of xubuntu, so i will have a completely clear install
User7: do you have a router (wired or wireless?) in your apartment?
User6: User5  sshfs is a nifty ssh front end which basically mounts a directory on a remote machine on the local machine... for example I have my server's media store mounted as /mnt/netmedia, and I can access it through the CLI, or the gui, and generally just use it as if it was on this machine.. save torrents to it, etc.
User5: User7 wired, and wireless is set up only for xbox and wii.
User5: User6 wow thats pretty awesome, ill have to figure out how to get that working down the road
User7: User5 you may want to jot a few of these things down...
User7: or... crap... hold on...
User5: User7  already ahead of you man, notepad and pen on hand
User7: well, you'll need to make sure that the computer you use as a server always has the same IP address
User7: that way, the other computers can be set to look for files at that address
User3: or a dynamic dns
User5: User7 easy enough done, i was gonna have it set to 91.69.162.6
User7: User3 right, but this is just an internal network.
User3: k
User7: User5 as a note, down the road you can look into setting up dyndns so that you can access your server from outside your local network.
User5: User7 doesnt that cost money though?
User7: no, it's free
User7: well, they have a paid option if you want a fancy domain name.
User5: i see
User7: otherwise, you can select from what they have.  e.g.  j1m.homelinux.net
User5: well is there anyway to assign domains at least internally, for instance by having one computer be accessed as abeona isntead of the ip
User5: ugh im getting ahead of myself, i apologize, lets just focus on getting file sharing working lol
User7: yeah...
User7: on the server you'll want to install samba and samba-common
User5: ok well the install is about done, what are the first things i should do? i was going to wipe out abiword, thunderbird, gaim, and stuff like that, as well as get the nvidia drivers working just to speed things up
User5: ok samba and samba-common
User7: and all of the configuring of the samba server is done from the /etc/samba/smb.conf file
User7: you can access it via a text editor, or they have some web-based apps that can help you modify it
User5: eh im pretty familiar with gedit/mousepad/kate lol
User5: ive been using some form of ubuntu for about 6 months now, just never in a server set up
User5: well how does samba handle permission rights? i need them to have to type in their username and password for the server whenever they try to access it, and upon doing so, give them access to specific folders, namely, their home folder, and the second hard drive
User7: you'll want to do some reading on the smb.conf file.
User5: ok i can do that
User7: it can do some cool stuff, but there are a lot of options
User7: right now, i've just set mine up with one main folder because i only use it myself.
User5: gotcha
User7: you'll want to ask some of your more technical questions in #samba
User5: User7 ok just joined there
User7: but... i'll just say this for now.  in my experience, kubuntu (kde) has the best samba support
User7: followed by ubuntu and then xubuntu.
User7: xubuntu doesn't really have much in the way of native samba support at this time.
User5: User7 i considered that, but the box im running it on is old... too old to run kde efficiently enough, and since it was gonna be headless eventually anyway, i figured it wouldnt matter
User7: it can run it as a server, but trying to access samba shares (password protected ones) via thunar, isn't really functional
User7: yeah... what you're saying is fine.
User7: but the other computers that access it... i would recommend ubuntu or kubuntu for them.
User5: User7 well neither myself or any of the others will be running, im on kubuntu right now, and i absolutely love it, switched from gnome about a week ago
User7: ok
User5: running xubuntu*
User5: ok well, one thing i would like to set up right now is the proper groups and what not that would be needed as if they would be logging in right at the machine
User5: i tried before, but what ended up happening is my initial user gained full root and was never asked to enter a password at all
User8: how can i launch a command line program, in a way that wont take up a terminal window will its running, hidden i guess
User9: foo &
User7: User5 i think that you will have to do some reading on this...
User5: ok no sweat than, will do that
User5: User7 do you know anything about setting up a VNC?
User7: and feel free to ask in #samba.
User7: User5 no, sorry
User5: User7 im in there, but doesnt seem like much is going on
User7: feel free to ask, though.
User7: people may just be lurking
* maxamillion just got here ... what's up?
User5: User7 i will, im actually reading on the samba site right now, i have to head to bed soon anyway, i have work in the morning
User5: User11 not too much, just asking questions about setting up a file server
User7: he's using xubuntu to get it started
User10: I think my smb.conf is a good one
User10: want to see it for reference?
User11: !proftpd
User12: Sorry, I don't know anything about proftpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
User11: !proftp
User12: Sorry, I don't know anything about proftp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
User11: the bot has failed me
User5: User10 well the question is, is it possible to set up samba so that when someone connects they will have to enter their user name and password and have them gain access to certain files and folders based on their account
User11: brb
User5: yeah... someone told me about proftpd earlier
User5: User10 and yes, i would love to see one for reference
User8: whats the port for the cups print server again?
User8: 6 something
User7: User10 could i see your smb.conf file?
User8: ive done something to my settings so that i cant ping localhost anymore, where is that data stored? a host file someplace?
User10: User7 sure, one sec
User10: User8 try /etc/hosts
User8: ok
User5: User7 ok well what else should i look into? as far as sharing things goes
User5: User7 OHHH what about swat?
User7: make sure all of the client computers use the same workgroup name.
User7: and you can only have 1 wins server.
User7: the rest are clients that point to the ip of the wins server
User7: i've tried swat when setting things up initially.
User5: User7 howd it go?
User7: it's pretty good!
User5: User7  good enough that a noob could navigate it? or good enough that a pro found is sufficient?
User7: it is a web interface to modify the smb.conf file, so it should help a noob.
User5: User7 cool stuff
User7: it should help anyone.  :)
User13: What is the very first step to update the distro from 6.06 to 7o.x
User7: but read up on it... i'm not sure about security
User5: User13 back up any data you want to save, just in case
User10: User13 update to 6.10
User5: User10 lol that too
User10: It can't be done in one fell swoop, it has to be Dapper > Edgy > Feisty.
User7: gotta go, all.
User7: ttyl
User10: Give yourself about a full day for things to download, unless you have superfast internet of course.
User10: cya
User5: ugh i missed saying thanks
User5: User10 so any chance i could talk a look at your smb.conf?
User8: i used to be able to change settings such as network and users and groups from this account, now it says i must be root i have to find equivalent command to launch with sudo...what i do?
User13: ok, not much to save.  And the names confused me (Dapper > Edgy > Feisty) Knowing the order helped ty.    A whole Day!?
User10: User5 /dcc get
User10: User13 (almost) every package will be downloaded and upgraded. Your whole system.
User5: User10 i go it, thank you
User10: ftr Dapper = 6.06 LTS, Edgy = 6.10, Feisty = 7.04, Gutsy = 7.10
User13: Ok well, maybe 'just' to 6.10 is better; can it be done in synaptic?
User5: User13 i believe you do it through the update manager
User10: If it were me I'd drop to console only (kill gdm) and do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
User10: using screen.
* netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kubrick.freenode.net
User10: that way things can't go wrong if the GUI bites the dust or something.
User10: I never upgraded with Synaptic b4.
User10: always apt-get (aptitude makes it too complicated.)
User5: User10 i did, it didnt work out well
User10: oh?
User10: I have have had to run the dist-upgrade command two or three times to get everything right, but it worked.
User5: User10 i always just end up downloading the ISO and doing a clean install every release
User13: User10 you had me till "using screen" , it's a step to far for me :-/
User10: screen will just make sure the program will run even if the terminal bites the dust.
User10: and you can use C-a x to lock it up so cats can't bother it.
User10: !screen Drew3b
User12: Sorry, I don't know anything about screen drew3b - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
User10: bah
User10: !screen | Drew3b
User12: User13 screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
User10: try the wikipedia link
User5: User10 do you know anything about VNC's?
User10: User13 screen and twin are both command line "window managers". screen has full-screen windows that can be split up, twin gives you a desktop.
User10: User5 Nope.
User8: why am i able to ping 91.69.162.6 but not localhost? any ideas?
User10: User5 installed realvnc on a windows box once for remote admin, but never set up a server on linux.
User10: User5 I generally use xdmcp for lan remote logins.
User5: User10 i use ssh mostly for now, in hopes to get more familiar with cli
User5: User10 how much do you know about samba?
User14: how do you add a new nic card on an already installed system?
User13: User14 open the case? :-)
User13: Sorry, couldn't resist :-/
User14: lol
User14: i mean software wise
User5: User14  nothing at all
User5: User14 just click it in a pci slot and roll
User10: User5 I know enough about samba to know I know little.
User14: so if i threw in a new pci based nic card on a already installed system it should just work?
User5: User10 lol good answer, well let me ask you if this is possible, and maybe you can set me on my way to figure it out
User5: User10 I need to be able to set user accounts on the server, and when someone goes to access the server via samba, they must log in via their user names set up, and then the folders they have access to are dictated by their user account
User5: User10 if that makes any sense
User10: User5 there's a homes share that you can set up that will share the users home folder to themselves
User10: User5 by default samba authentication is based on unix authentication, I think.
User5: User10 ok and what about sharing a second hard drive i have installed on there?
User13: User14 most linux distros auto-detect new hardware.
User10: User5 add an entry for its mountpoint to smb.conf.
User14: Drew3b, it detects it but it won't use it
User5: User10 ok so thats simple enough, and what about giving them write access to their home folder and that second drive?
User10: User5 check this stuff out. It's all on a DVD, and my internet is slow, but these are nice ebooks. http://cellofellow.homelinux.net:8080/~josh/files/Samba/
User10: User5 um
User10: User5 it's all possible
User10: User5 that's easy-school old-hat for Samba I believe.
User5: User10  hmm 403 message lol
User10: 403?
User5: User10 forbidden
User10: huh
User5: User10 when going to access that link, it gave me a forbidden message, 403 error, you dont have permission to access /~josh/etc,,,,,
User10: oops
User10: umm, that's new
User5: User10 lol i dunno man
User10: try again
User5: User10 still got the error
User10: yeah
User10: you wouldn't happen to know how .htaccess works?
User5: User10 not at all, sorry
User5: anyway, im off to bed, thanks for the help, looks like i have plenty of reading up to do
User13: User14 I'm Very new to Xubuntu so cant help there,
User10: too bad. I got it working now
User15: So... I'm running Xubuntu 6.10 and am thinking of updating to 7.04. Anybody have experience doing this with update-manager? If so, how did it go?
User4: whats the name of the printer setup thing
User10: I  don't. I use apt-get. Less can go wrong IMHO.
User10: User4 system-config-printer[s]
User10: maybe the s
User4: or as windows would say wizard
User10: It is a wizard.
User4: thanks
User10: Weird eh?
User10: User4 I find it works best as superuser.
User4: i dont like using wizard on linux
User10: That one is slow.
User10: I wish there was an easy way to get the cups web interface set up. That's easy to use.
User4: i get it setup in 2 mins with system-config-printer
User10: really? I tell it do something, it waits five minutes, then lets me do the next box, then I wait some more, then I have another box. Sometimes I forget what I'm doing and start over.
User8: ok, when xubuntu first starts, it gives you a logon screen....what is that application handling the login called, is it gdm on xubuntu or something else by default? anyone?
User10: it's gdm
User4: gdm
User8: ok thank you
User10: configure using gksu gdmsetup
User10: I do like that utility.
* Jester45 likes autologin
* cellofellow may set it up
User15: No upgrade advice from anyone?
* Jester45 boxes are one user only
User4: FactTech, my advice is to reinstall a fresh copy
User10: User15 don't do that
User10: want some instructions?
User4: thats why i keep /home on a diffrent partition
User4: but thats just me
* cellofellow does that too
User10: I bit the dust once or twice
User15: User10 Well, I saw the step-by-step instructions, just wanted to know if anyone out there had done it and how it worked out.
User4: and that i dont want my /home on reiser
User8: the help for gdm alludes to an gui setup - gdmsetup, when i type this in command line it says its not install to use apt-get install gdm to get it, but gdm is already installed....any idea how to get gdmsetup?
User15: User10 Is update-manager smart enough to know you want to stick with Xubuntu? The upgrade window text looked like it was going to upgrade to standard Ubuntu 7.04.
User4: Chikubu, go menu -> settings -> login window settings
User4: and thats the same thing
User4: FactTech, it upgrades only packages you have installed so.... if you have only xubuntu installed it will only update that
User10: User15 it works, I just use the CLI apt-get instead. less goes wrong.
User8: gdm fails to start on boot, ive had this problem ever since ive upgraded, my swap file also got disabled, but ive got a workaboud for that, the login window settings dosnt do anything because gdm doesnt start, i just get a raw terminal, i can log in and startx, but other things are screwy, like i can no longer change any settings unless im root...network or users and groups ect.
User8: also localhost wont ping
User10: User8 wow
User15: Jester45, User10 I think I don't understand something about how the updates work. Are some packages usually "off limits" during updates? If so, are these the ones that will be upgraded if you choose a 7.04 upgrade?
User10: I never had those kind of problems.
User10: User15 some packages are off-limits with a normal upgrade, but a dist-upgrade bypasses all of that.
User15: User10 I see. Makes perfect sense now. Thanks very much!
User8: ive read about  this (these) bugs and they are verified for some users, something about change in kernel that involved hard drive handling, it somehow lost my uuid info on hard drive
User10: User15 if you don't have anything wild and crazy, everything should go as smooth as silk.
User15: User10 I don't know enough to make anything too crazy yet. :)
User10: Too many third-party apps will cause trouble (slaps himself)
User4: FactTech, its better to upgrade with dist-upgrade because it resolves dependacies better
User10: aptitude is the rock-star at solving dependancies, but when I try to dist-upgrade with it gives me too many choices, so it's the only thing I prefer to use apt-get for.
User8: what are some commands to check version of xubuntu?
User10: just make sure you have the xubuntu-desktop package installed, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in a terminal, preferably a screen terminal.
User10: umm
User15: Jester45, User10 Thank you both for the tips. I'll give it a shot.
User10: User8 uname -r
User10: tells you what version of linux you have, and each ubuntu version has different linux version.
User4: cellofellow, for you maybe :)
User8: that shows the kernel, i was looking for like fiesty or daper
User10: which is it?
User10: 2.6.17 is edgy, 2.6.20 is feisty. I think dapper is 2.6.15
User8: some command that reproted like 7.04 instead of kernel version so i can see if there is a mismatch
User10: um
User10: something in /proc I think
User4: Chikubu, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
User8: ok i got gdmsetup installed, i uninstalled gdm and reinstalled, but have to reboot..ugg here goes
User4: why do you need to reboot
User10: sudo init 1, then init 2 should be just as good
User8: ah this did it cat /etc/issue
User4: Chikubu, you barely ever need to reboot
User10: runlevels keep you from needing that
User8: well it said i need to restart gdm, i wanna reboot and see if it comes up by itself
User4: or restarting it
User4: like an apache upgrade
User10: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
User8: i wanna see if i get gdm on startup
User10: suit yourself
User8: which i have not been for weeks
User8: cross fingers
User8: well that was good, but a bit weird
User8: i got gdm! but i logoed on and it started to load desktop, then blinked and took me back to logon screen, i logged on again and here i am....strange
User8: ah and now its promting me for admin password like it used to
User8: man this was a bugger, this is an OLD system and when the swap got disabled it was molases getting anything going
User10: User8 sounds like X issues
User10: what video chip?
User4: i would say look at your /etc/fstab but that might be too complicated but you can try
User8: well at least i know more about uuid's and fstab files and gdm.config files than i did
User8: na its a kernel bug hitting some systems, theres alot of bug reports about it
User8: i already had to hack fstab to get swap file back
User8: swap partition rather
User8: it seems back to the way it was now
User8: all except i  have less free memory than i used to, if dig around and see whats eating it later, im burned out for now
User8: still cant ping local host, but i dont think it will effect the cups server
User8: what port is the cups sever on again i keep forgeting?
User10: 631
User10: cups works with local sockets on local stuff
User10: I think
User8: ah thanx
User8: that was it
User8: i can hit http://91.69.162.6:631/ but not http://localhost:631 werid....some stuff still needs localhost though, but for now ill work around it
User8: ping says host not found
User10: did you check /etc/hosts ?
User8: some snafu in the wireless and ad hoc network probably
User8: its empty
User8: should i assing 91.69.162.6 as localhost?
User10: needs this:
User10: 91.69.162.6 localhost
User10: add that line
User8: yup that did it
User8: lets see if the print manger can connect to server since its stuck on localhost
User8: weird, it lists /var/run/cups/cups.sock now as a server to connect to and localhost but still cant connect
User8: oh well its running, im off to play a game, thanks for help
User16: i randomly lose mouse focus forever.... mouse doesn't work... then i have to reboot to get my and keyboard input back .  any ieas?
User17: teratoma, Do you have a bleading edge glib version? If so, that might cause it. If not, no clue. :/
User18: every time I open up terminal, X reboots and I'm forced to login again
User18: this is on a new, but freshly updated system
User16: yeah im running Gusty
User16: gutsy
User18: same problem?
User18: I'm fairly sure I'm running feisty
User18: brb
User18: yep
User13: Xubuntu 606,  How do you set up the printer?
User19: hello
User19: i have a question...
User19: is there any program for linux to send the same emails to a list of customers?
User20: hello everyone
User20: i have dual boot xp/xubuntu ove rmy pc
User20: i recently formated/installed over my xp installation which deleted grub!
User20: now i dont have a way to get into linux..
User20: how should i fix tht
* yoochan_ yaaaAAAAAaaaawn
User21: hi there
User21: Does any lnows how to install themes on xmms?
User22: Hi guys...got a stupid little problem here.
User22: I recently installed wine/steam ...and I got a little entry in the menu with links to Stem e.t.c. Now I have removed/unistalled bot steam and wine...but the entry that is highlighted wont disapear from the menu.
User22: http://goto.glocalnet.net/mrazster/menu.png
User22: never mind..problem solved
User23: may I ask how to start every session with a blank one (without having each unclosed app poping out at start) ?
User24: you can save a session somewhere
User24: save a blank one :]  and don't 'autosave'
User24: unfortunatly i don't run xfce at this time so i don't know exactly where
User25: hello everyone
User25: im having trouble installing java on my sys!
User25: am using xubuntu 7.04
User23: well I would like but it's impossible to settle a "blank" session... without forgetting to close something O_o
User25: i installed sun java 6 webstart from the "add remove applications" but its still not working!
User23: User25 with jedit for instance, I had to install also java 5
User23: could it be a problem like this ?
User25: User23  with the 6?!
User25: or do i install the previous one!
User23: did you had a look at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_J2SE_Runtime_Environment_.28JRE.29_v6.0_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
User23: yes, I had to install both... I don't know why
User23: a dependency issu
User24: it's a silly world hehe
User23: but at the end I still had to select java6 as the main JRE
User23: (I don't remember how to select which java version you wanna use)
User18: did somebody have an answer to my question
User26: Hi, I just installed Xubuntu, but sudo seems to be broken - I can't start synaptic through the gui even though the password is correct, I can't use sudo from the terminal either, when I prefix something with sudo it asks me for my password and then *nothing*. Any ideas?
User2: User26 is it the user that was created during the install, or a new one?
User26: User2 that's the one who was created during the install, yeah
User26: ahhh actually it's my fault, sorry, I renamed to user in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, sorry
User2: User26 seems you forgot to also rename it in /etc/group
User26: right, livecd time I guess :-)
User2: or recovery mode
User26: okay, works again, thanks.
User2: I didn't do anything :)
User26: you were pointing me in the right direction :-)
User27: how do i add printer whats the gui app>??
User28: Isn't there something in Applications->Settings->Printing?
User28: I'm not too familiar with printing, but I now that's available
User27: i dont have that
User27: help???
* vinze knows nothing...
User29: User27 open firefox
User29: address: http://localhost:631
User29: this is cups (common unix printing system) there you can add and manage you printer
User30: hola alguien habla espaol? tengo un problema con la instalacion de xubuntu
User30: gracias de todos modos, hasta pronto
User31: wohoo, another 61 MB upload :)
User32: Can anyone be so kind as to tell me how to access the OS GUI? I only see a desktop with a few icons, and the right-click menu doesn't do much. Where do I go to set preferences, hardware settings and such?
User33: User32 there should be a "System" option in the right-click menu
User34: what hardware settings?
User32: there isn't
User32: 4 "Create"s and 1 Desktop Settings
User32: User34 You know, mouse config, display settings, all that stuff
User34: Mufkatar, you should have "Settings" as the top entry in your XFCE menu
User34: Mufkatar, yeah that stuff is in there
User32: I don't see it - only 2 tabs, one Appearance, one Behavior
User32: Seems very limited to just a few windows settings
User33: User32 what version of xubuntu are you using?
User34: Mufkatar, you entered "Desktop settings"
User32: Just downed the 7.04
User32: Yep
User32: I know
User32: That's what I wrote
User32: It's all I have
User34: Mufkatar, in the XFCE Menu, that thingy on your panel usually, you should have the entry "Settings"
User32: I have no panel
User32: That's my problem
User32: I only have a desktop with a few icons
User34: Mufkatar, in that case run "xfce-setting-show" in a terminal
User32: Any idea how to get a terminal? :-)
User34: yeah press alt+f2
User34: and run it henrylindsey@example.org... from the settings manager create a panel
User34: Mufkatar, and in any case you can press alt+F2 and run xfce4-terminal to get oone
User32: Thx
User32: I haven't installed yet, just booted from it
User32: So I don't know if that's the reason I got no panel
User32: Just seems odd
User32: And clicking panel in the settings manager doesn't seem to do anything
User34: Mufkatar, try running xfce4-panel
User32: Trying
User32: That got me a panel :-)
User34: Mufkatar, nice :) have fun
User32: Thanks for your help - but how come this happened?
User32: does this mean I can't rely on the icons in the settings manager to work?
User32: Will I have to do this every time?
User34: Mufkatar, I really don't know, in my settings manager they work.. but at least you got a panel
User32: Yeah, but I'll have forgotten that command in 2 minutes...
User34: Mufkatar, and if you are running the latest xfce you should have a "autostarted applications" setting... maybe you can try putting whatever you need in there
User34: Mufkatar, and remembering those commands isnt henrylindsey@example.org... only remember the command for a terminal, then write in it xfce and press tab.. you will get every possible command that starts with xfce
User32: Don't mean to sound ungrateful, wouldn't have gotten this far without you, but I can't use a system where I have to manually start the GUI every boot...
User32: But thanks again :-)
User34: Mufkatar, np... and I really dont know why this happened to you... I installed xubuntu 7.04 three days ago and it worked fine out of the box
User32: User34 I'm jinxed, that's what it is ;-)
User32: User34 Tried Knoppix, Ubuntu, and now Xubuntu, on 3 different PCs and I always get a raw deal
User32: Somebody stole my mojo
User34: Mufkatar, real strange... does it work well before the installation? (live cd mode?)
User32: Well, that's the mode I'm in right now with X
User32: And it works better than Ubuntu did on the same PC
User32: (old Dell laptop)
User32: That practically froze on me
User34: wow
User32: Also seems no native WPA support? Bummer
User34: do you have any special hardware maybe? a special video card?
User32: Nah, it's a standard Dell Latitude CPx
User32: Old, though
User32: WEP is way too insecure to use
User34: I don't know much about that stuff.. my internet connection is wired and worked out of the box (with x\ubuntu)
User32: only reason I'm installing this is so I can surf wirelessly
User32: So without it, not much point ;-)
User32: Not a lot going on in this channel considering all the people connected
User34: thats right :<
User32: Good thing you were here, since none of the 71 others knew the answers to my questions ;-)
User34: lol or are just idle.. but I'm not really an expert lucky it was an easy question :P
User32: I sensed that ;-)
User11: i am trying to eat lunch, typing is currently taking second place :)
User32: User11 Fair enough ;-)
User32: wbadger?
User11: User32 ok, done with the food ... what's up?
User34: Mufkatar, ?
User32: Any idea how to see my current IP and other settings?
User11: User32 ifconfig
User31: how stupid is this here?  Sony BMG Music Entertainment is suing the company that developed anti-piracy software for its CDs, claiming the technology was defective and cost the record company millions of dollars to settle consumer complaints and government investigations.
User32: Can't get the WLAN connected it seems
User32: User31 Well it's stupid, but it's true
User11: User31 yeah, i read it ... i laughed
User32: Stupid because - well, what did the idiots expect? :-)
User11: no joke
User32: They're apparently never gonna learn it doesn't pay
User11: "lets reap chaos on the world and then start suing people who try to restore order"
User32: The network config tool is really poor - it doesn't support WPA, there's no indication of the bitwidth of the passphrase, and it doesn't report whether it connected or not :-(
User32: It's tough to wean off those Windows-habits
User32: Like getting feedback when you try something ;-)
User31: User32 it's a real pain that you can't bitch about linux that it doesn't tell you what's going wrong and instead gives you some great advice "contact support" ^^
User11: User32 the network config tool doesn't support wifi generally
User11: User32 you need to install network-manager-gnome, it will give you a little system tray icon that will make life really easy on you
User11: User32 info on the app http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ and it is in the repo
User11: !info network-manager-gnome
User12: network-manager-gnome: network management framework (GNOME frontend). In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 253 kB, installed size 1696 kB
User11: :)
User32: User11 Already considered that, but I need network for that ;-)
User32: Catch-22
User11: ah
User32: User31 Well, this is support isn't it? :-)
User11: i missed the fact that you have no internet at all, i thought you just couldn't get it on wifi
User31: User32 you didn't understand :(
User32: User31 Nope, but then you were a little unclear? :-)
User32: User31 Was it a dig at Windows?
User31: User32 well, I was telling you can't bitch about linux because it gives you good feedback of what's not working.... contrary to windows where you get something like "contact customer support"
User32: User31 Windows ain't no miracle, I'll be the first to admit. But if I try something in there, I at least get an EM
User32: User31 See, it seems we have opposite experiences
User32: :-)
User31: User32 you can start any program from the command line and see directly its output where it fails... that's much more helpful
User32: Well, I prefer GUI ;-)
User32: Commandline is very powerful, but GUIs have much gentler learning curve
User31: User32 for debugging use the terminal for starting a programm
User31: User32 normally the command to start a program is its application name
User32: User11 Anyways, I got a regular NW card somewhere, guess I have to dig it out ;-)
User34: Mufkatar, wait, you said you tried Ubuntu already right?
User32: Yup
User34: Mufkatar, that means you have the disc?
User32: Yup
User11: User32 you just might ;)
User34: Mufkatar, I believe the disc can serve you as a repository and maybe it has network-manager-gnome in it
User32: User34 Thanks for the tip, but I'd need to install Xubuntu first, right?
User32: I can't swap discs while I'm running in Live mode?
User32: And I'd like to see this work before I install
User34: Mufkatar, well thats catch 22 again isnt it..
User32: But perhaps that is asking too much...
User32: User34 As I mentioned, I can find a regular NW card somewhere I think
User32: Although I'm not sure I can add apps in Live mode?
User34: Not sure either :\
User31: you can add appsin live mode
User34: I believe it should work with small apps but haven't tried it
User32: Hey guys, I've got the NW card now - but how to force a DHCP refresh?
User32: Don't sweat it, it autorenewed :-)
User32: User10 Like your name ;-)
User10: oh, thanks
User31: hiho cellofellow
User10: hey there
User32: Rehi wbadger :-)
User34: rehi :P
User34: went to check if autostarted beryl works... and no
User32: Which linux IRC client do you guys prefer?
User34: im using xchat
User10: xchat or irssi
User32: I wasn't too happy with gaim
User10: pends on whether I have X.
User10: Gaim I use only now and again.
User32: OK, that wasn't a resounding success
User32: All Networkmanager is, is a systray frontend
User32: Didn't add WPA support
User32: :-(
User34: :\
User32: It's definitely a tool I'll use if I go ahead, but it's not what I needed
User34: what about wpasupplicant ?
User34: I dont really know it just found it on google
User32: !info wpa
User32: !info system-wpa
User12: Package wpa does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
User12: Package system-wpa does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
User32: User34 Looks like you're right
User34: Mufkatar, but package wpasupplicant exists
User32: User34 But how to add it?
User34: Mufkatar, well if you can add networkmanager do this in the same way... sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
User34: Mufkatar, oh and I see it has a GUI too... so install wpagui too
User32: I used Add/remove to add networkmanager ;-)
User35: meep
User34: so use the same thing for this...
User10: !wpa
User12: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
User34: this article seems to tell how to use it: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsecur/article.php/3594946
User35: anyone not been helped yet?
* neozen equips a shield
User34: well neozen do you know anything about beryl and xubuntu?
User35: nope
* neozen grins
User35: have you tried messing with xfce's builtin compositor?
User35: might also want to try #ubuntu-effects
User34: neozen, no... actually I already figured it out, thanks... apparently beryl did not launch emerald automatically
User35: ah
User32: wbadger (and others), thanks for your help & patience :-)
User32: I'm gonna go out on a limb and install it, then tinker with the Wifi afterwards
User32: And then - MANY more questions ;-)
User34: Mufkatar, good luck
User32: I'm gonna need it ;-)
User6: User34  I'm running beryl + xubuntu/xfce
User36: Where would I find "a valid VM executable" in xubuntu?
User6: kinda like being lightweight and bloaty at the same time
User34: nice godless, now I'm too... do you happen to know how to make the panel not-go gray when not in focus?
User6: User34  to tell you the truth I have tweaked it so much I don't even remember what the default looks like :)
User6: go through beryl-settings and play with everything, most of the descriptors aren't good so you have to fiddle to see what does what
User34: godless, really? what could you possibly have done... change some animations, maybe the background?
User6: I have adesklet widgets, background, skydome, cap images, customized animation, desktop behaviour, etc etc etc
User34: ok nice job
User6: looks something like http://dreaming.org/~rob/test.jpg
User6: although I have fiddled since then
User6: more transparency now
User6: and stuff
User6: It's a lot of nonsense since generally I just have firefox and a bunch of terminal windows but whatever :)
User34: lol yeah.. whats with the black and white ?
User6: just where I ended up going I guess.. I like the subdued theme actually
User6: chacun son gout
User31: User2 Help ;)
User37: Hello all... :)
User37: i have little problem, if you can help me...
User11: !ask | Virgile
User12: User37 Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
User37: i want record sound with ubuntu, in 'entry line' but i dont see the option in control sound
User37: (sorry for english i'm french)
User37: In windows select 'record' in sound system, after i click in good device... microphone, entry line or stereo mix
User37: but in linux i don't see
User37: if you have solution for me, i'm very happy :D
User10: User37 open xfce4-mixer or alsamixer (in a terminal) and Line In should be an option.
User37: hmmm in xfce4-mixer i doesn't see this option
User10: Then Audacity or a similar app should be able to record anything played in to the Line In soundcard port.
User10: Just Line
User10: not Line In
User10: I have Line and Mic inputs.
User37: hmmm
User37: in alsamixer i see ;)
User10: goody
User10: I like audacity. There's a more advanced app called Aurdour (spelled that wrong) too.
User37: hmm i test wait :D
User10: It should just playback through the speakers if everthing is working right, and then Audacity can record that.
User10: !info ardour-gtk
User10: There it is. Ardour
User12: ardour-gtk: digital audio workstation (graphical gtk interface). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.3-1 (feisty), package size 2434 kB, installed size 6620 kB
User10: It's very complicated and powerful.
User10: Audacity is simple and to the point.
User37: ok
User37: thanks for all :)
User37: good bye !
User10: must mean it works
User16: I randomly lose mouse control and end up having to restart X to get it back.  how do i do that without killing X ? i'm running xubuntu
User38: teratoma, What you say is confusing: restarting X w/o killing X? ;) If you don't want to *reboot*, just press ctrl+alt+backspace :)
User16: so i log in
User16: i do stuff, i move windows around.  if i do crazy stuff like minimizing a window or maximizing a few times... then clicking with my mouse stops working.  i can move the pointer around.  cant click.  keyboard is responsive.  cant select a new window since i cant 'click'.
User38: teratoma, Do you by chance have a very recent glib version?
User38: I don't remember the bug number, but there's an error only fixed in trunk.
User38: ^^ xfce svn trunk that is.
User16: im running Gutsy, so I am probably running a recent glib version.  so should i just wait for a while ?
User38: teratoma, If you have the error I mentioned updating xfce from svn might work. But you would want to check if the bug is completely fixed already. *or* you wait for gutsy guys to update the packages. ;)
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