User1: User13 aha, thanks
User2: Hi, can we get gdm, gnome-session and gnome-shell-extensions unblocked for ubuntu GNOME bug 1212408
User1: User2 done
User2: slangasek, thanks!
User3: Not sure I want to read up. :P
User4: don't do it!
User3: User1 I just applied the same algorithm we've done before, and followed the release schedule. Sure, we can discuss adjusting it in future.
User4: User11 if it works probably
User3: User1 (I agree that it's probably overly conservative but we didn't work out anything more limited up to now)
User3: Furthermore there was a bug where a load of Touch and Ubuntu-only patches showed up in Edubuntu images which bloated the hint a lot
User5: Laney, phillw is a bit tempermental some times, so don't put the "insult" in your mind too much:(
User3: I didn't get to update it as the Edubuntu respin hadn't popped out before I had to leave yesterday
User3: The script works off tumbleweed's parsed image manifest data
User6: User5 i'd rather see phillw stop insulting, rather than other people "dealing to ignore those".
User5: xnox, I do too
User3: Never mind, I'm not bothered.
User7: +1
User7: also, happy birthday xnox!
User3: Thanks to everyone for replying though.
User3: All the expected images there now?
User5: xnox, happy birthday:)
 * Laney gives xnox the birthday bumps
User3: 18 today!
User8: User3 Oh please, I doubt he's a day over 15.
 * infinity tickles xnox.
User6: :-P
 * xnox *giggle*
User5: How old IS xnox BTW:P
User3: Nobody knows. He has fake ID.
User6: User5 78
User3: See!
User5: -.-
User6: User3 s/ID/IDs/
User8: He *claims* to be 25, but that's clearly a lie.
User9: aloha
User8: Everyone always overshoots their first fake ID to try to be "realistic".
User8: "Oh, I can't claim to be 18, that's too obvious, I'll go for 35."
User9: I'm pretty sure xnox and Laney need to still carry their ID around today :)
User3: Mine's embarrassing because I haven't learned to drive so I just have the learners license with a big red "L" on it
User8: User3 Is the big red L on your forehead?  That would be really embarrassing.
User3: They told me I was too drunk when I tried to get that tattoo
User10: Heh.
User6: User3 i used to walk around with citizen card as proof of age.
User5: skaet, thank you for the link
User5: Laney, speaking of which: Should upgrade testcases be enabled for flavours?
User3: shadeslayer: Can be. You want?
User3: shadeslayer: sorry
User3: User5 ^
 * smartboyhw thinks Laney pinged the wrong person:P
User5: Laney, well, I'm still asking the Ubuntu Studio people, since we disabled it for 13.04
User5: But, other flavours would want it I think
User4: User8 oh I'm still curious about saucy->precise xserver backport.. there is going to be nastiness with pointer barriers one way or another. :P I was thinking of copying libxi/x11 unrenamed from saucy, and give unity an internal copy of the old function calls, deciding at runtime which pointer barrier api to use..
User3: Didn't have it for A2
User3: I checked raring beta 1 and it didn't get great coverage then
User3: but I'm happy to copy them if (a) I find out how and (b) people ask for it
User3: assuming they can't do it themselves that is
User3: Looks like you can ;-)
User5: Laney, yes
User5: But, I think the flavour leads will forget that:P
User5: I mean, adding the upgrades
User3: User5 If you like, you can mail the list to remind.
User5: Laney, syre
User3: "Ubuntu Studio decided to enable upgrade test cases because of blah blah blah. You might want to do the same, but you don't have to."
User2: Laney, smartboyhw, we added uprade test cases for Ubuntu GNOME
User3: okey pokes
User5: darkxst, no need to tell me, it's your team's own decision and discretions:P
User2: just saying its not like it need release team intervention!
 * Laney nods
User4: User8 want to know what's even more fun? backporting llvm-3.3 to precise :P
User4: it seems to want a newer binutils..
User11: User4 I think putting in symlinks from the pvr directory to the mesa libwayland would solve it, how does that sound?
User11: User23 I'm getting lost in iso tracker again, how do I enable upgrade for kubuntu?
User12: Riddell, is that libwayland in all mesa installs ?
User12: i.e from which package does it come ?
User11: User12 yeah it's part of libegl1-mesa-drivers
User12: if its the generic mesa package such a symlink will likely breal Mir
User12: *break
User12: as i said yesterday, we might need a new alternative for something like "system-compositor-lib" or some such to solve that cleanly
User5: Riddell, in "Builds" of the adminstration tab just check the "Upgrade" products, type in the version no. and choose the correct milestone
User4: User11 I think you need to move wayland-egl out from mesa-egl dir
User4: if it's a generic support library that works regardless of egl implementation
User11: User5 ^^ got it, after some trips :)
User5: Riddell, um, I think you better alter Lubuntu's upgrade build
User5: Since I saw an Lubuntu message in there
User11: User5 yeah I removed it again
User5: Riddell, good:)
User4: oh right I don't need newer binutils, it was just used for -fuse-ld=gold in link flags
User12: hmm, i merged initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch  and ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd ... which results in initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch producing a new binary, shouldnt it get stuck in NEW due to that ?
User12: (i dont see it in the NEW queue)
User13: Not if the same binary was already in the archive from another source package.
User12: ok
User12: great !
 * ogra_ files a removal bug for the ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd source then
User12: bug 1220218 for any archive admin around
User12: stgraber, ^^^ since it makes your life easier :)
User14: User3 hey :)
User3: User14 hi, was at lunch
User3: If it's about NM it is due to the beta freeze
User14: User3 hey ;)
User14: yeah, just making sure
User3: well, that and the fact that adt-britney is incorrectly saying that the test fails
User14: well, it used to fail
User3: sure but the latest one is ok
User3: User14 anyway, do you need it now or is tomorrow OK?
User14: asap would be better, this is stuff for the phone, but I wouldn't feel OK telling you to override things like this, let me check with others
User15: is something broken with Debian imports atm?
User16: tumbleweed, what debian imports?
User15: the debian archive gets imported into LP
User13: User15 The relevant machine was only just recovered after a failure that required physical intervention
User15: aah, thanks
User13: User15 And I don't think the cron job has run yet
User13: But it's up
User13: (i.e. I can rsync logs off it)
User5: ^ It's me, all the testcases passed, so don't be surprised that I marked it so early
User17: ^^^ Can I get an archive admin to review python-dogpile.cache and python-dogpile.core please they are new build deps for keystone
User12: xnox, why would removing the old source pakcage require any changes in phablet.u.c ? i hope you only use the binary
User6: User12 if binary simply moved to a different source package, it should be fine. I didn't realise that.
User8: User4 That binutils versioned build-dep is probably bogus, but the -fuse-ld=gold will need to be backed out.  I might just do that in saucy too, so you can backport unmangled.
User12: xnox, right, else i would have not filed the removal bug yet :)
User12: and committed goit changes first
User12: *git
User6: User12 ok, cool =)
User8: * only build android-tools-adbd on armhf, i386 and amd64 until powerpc
User8: tablets and phones show up on teh market.
User8: User12 ^-- Why that abritrary restriction?
User12: infinity, because itr FTBFS ... there was a fix from lool later that makes it build
User12: probably the Architecture field wasnt updated along ?
User8: User12 The changelog might have wanted to say that, then, not the other. :P
User12: it saidf exacvtly what i uploaded at that point
User12: well, modulo mentioning FTBFS
User18: User8 BTW it should be almost syncable
User8: No, I mean, it should say "disable because it's broken" not some nonsensical "disable because devices don't exist".
User12: lool, ?
User18: User8 haven't rechecked in the last month or so
User12: i thought it was synced ages ago
User18: User8 at some point, Debian version was just missing testing from either ogra or rsalveti
User18: User12 was it?
User12: lool, i thought so, but i might be wrong
User12: (i dont think i have looked at that package since this upload above)
User8: Of course, that FTBFS being fixed wouldn't help now, since it now depends on libhybris-utils, which is only on 3 arches.
User8: For similar odd reasons, I'm guessing?
User12: likely
User12: libhybris needs android headers i think
User12: well, thought utils probably doesnt
User8: Meh.  Too much to unwind right now.
User8: User12 All this boils down to "initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch should be arch-restricted".
User8: (Or the whole stack it depends on shouldn't be)
User12: infinity, the binary it produces is armhf
User12: the script package it produces was supposed to be arch all but that didnt work out thanks to launchpad
User12: bug 1063188
User8: User12 Okay, but it produces a powerpc.deb that depends on something that can't be installed.  I'm not sure I need the history why. :P
 * infinity just fixes.
User12: oh
User12: heh, i totally didnt get your point
User12: yeah fix away+
User18: User8 I just did a quick grep in hybris to see how arch specific it was, and it does indeed seem to have specific linker code for ARM, x86 and some SH code; like ELF fields and types; I'm not sure whether we want to invest in porting to powerpc
User8: User18 Yeah, not deeply concerned.  It's something I could poke at when I'm bored some day.  For now, I just arch-restricted the thing that was depending on it.
User19: User3 nas is stuck in -proposed, reason says "Not touching package due to block request by laney (contact #ubuntu-release if update is needed) "
User19: User3 could you push it?
User3: User19 yep
User19: User3 thanks
User4: User8 heh.. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/149247846/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.mesa-lts-saucy_9.2-1ubuntu1~~2ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz llvm-3.3 has a dependency on zlib1g-dev? :P
User8: User4 That -lz is coming from llvm, not mesa?
User4: User8 hm good question, more digging is needed
User4: User8 positive :p
User4: ~$ llvm-config-3.3 --ldflags
User4: -L/usr/lib/llvm-3.3/lib  -lz -lpthread -lffi -lrt -ldl -lm
User4: hm weird
User4: it doesn't link it on saucy
User4: meh nm then, I'll just add zlib1g-dev to the backported llvm-toolchain
User4: sorry for the noise :)
User4: *gone*
User1: User3 for my edification, what/where's the script that's used for assembling the freeze block list?  Does it look at ubuntukylin at all currently?
User3: User1 It's just something I threw together, and it's supposed to
User3: I can pastebin it if you'll be nice. :-)
User3: There are some kylin things in the block so I believe it is at least partially working for that purpose
User3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6059440/
User3: Seems Edubuntu and Lubuntu alternates are missing test results
User3: If we can get those and the other remaining in over the UK night then we should be able to do B1 quite early tomorrow, all being well
 * Laney goes away for a bit, SMS me if the world ends or anything
User20: User3 but tomorrow's Wednesday?
User8: Days of the week are confusing.
User21: jbicha,  release is scheduled for Thursday
User22: can someone please nack that misdirected dput ^
User1: User22 looking
User1: User22 done
User22: slangasek, thanks
User6: User3 User7 User13 User20 For the bug 1218175 I have now implemented package split: ubuntuone plugin is in a separate package, which can be seeded / unseeded as needed.
User6: not sure if you want this uploading, as the plugin will need to go through new and seeds will need to be adjusted.
User20: User6 a separate package won't work for Edubuntu
User6: User20 yes it will. ubiquity-frontend-gtk does not depend on it. it needs explicit seed, and i believe you can blacklist / negate install in the seed.
User6: User20 ubuntu-desktop will not depend on that plugin.
User20: ok
User1: that aside, I would be surprised if the edubuntu folks would actually want to maintain a delta with the Ubuntu Desktop wrt such features of the installer (regardless of whether they're personally happy with those features)
User6: User1 well edubuntu did request to remove that plugin, and they have their own custom plugins in ubiquity already (for task selection, server install & config, etc.)
User1: User6 ok.  Hadn't seen that request from edubuntu, and only the G+ post was referenced above
User23: User1 we already maintain a delta to drop the shopping lens and drop the amazon and ubuntuone launcher entries by default as we don't think any of those are suitable for our target audience.
User1: alright
User1: (pff, what's wrong with having the kids shopping while at school ;)
User23: :)
User6: User23 separate package would work, for edubuntu seeds right? (negating / blacklisting from the cd?!)
User23: User6 sure, we could just have edubuntu-live conflict with it then
User23: User6 so ubiquity could recommend that package (but not depends or the conflict would make ubiquity go away)
User6: User23 no, ubiquity will not recommend it.
User1: you aren't really meant to use conflicts in seeds, though, and blacklists in seeds only result in failures when those packages show up - they don't work for the actual exclusion
User6: User23 it should be explicitly seeded, which will happen for ubuntu-live / kylin for example
User1: just not depending on it is better, which seems to be the plan
User1: User13 so bug #1219589 is getting some static regarding getting the UbuntuHashes page updated.  The ubuntu-docs team doesn't seem to actually have access to update the darn thing.  Who does / how should we know who does? (checklist page points the finger at ubuntu-docs currently)
User1: User24 ^^ ;)
User24: User1 ah! :) thanks :)
User9: User8 ping a ling
User9: User8 I swear if I broke LP and builds you'd appear :)
User25: User1 could you have a look at update-manager in the raring proposed queue?
User26: phillw: I think your release announcement yesterday is easy to misinterpret, see http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/2013/09/beta-1-is-out.html
User1: User25 update-manager-0.186.2/tags seems to be some added cruft in the upload?
User1: User25 not sure if you want to reupload to fix
User25: User1 yeah, I'll reupload
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