User1: Seveas, I thought ubuntu-irc was a team of operators trusted by the council which other channels could trust to take ops from? :/
User2: Seeker`, now try @btlogin, ubtu should reply with a URL
User1: I bet the ` is messing it up :P
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jrib]  by ChanServ
User2: try again, I forgot a semi-manual step (didn't want to wait for cron)
User2: hmm
User2: 3rd time's a charm or I give up
User2: so try again please :)
User2: ok, I give up
User2: ah, duh: first @login (to make it create your account) and then @btlogin
User2: doesn't happen too often that we add people :)
User3: An error has occurred and has been logged.
User2: yay
User2: *now* the ` is messing it up :)
User4: User2 do you remember MatBoy?
User5: vague memories
User2: Seeker`, actually, @btlogin might work, the error occured after account creation
User2: Amaranth, not really
User4: https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi?query=wiljewelwetenhe.xs4all.nl&bans=on
User2: @reload FreenodeAuth
User3: OK
User6: Seeker`: out of interest - why did you pick to have a "'" in your nick?
User2: Amaranth, ah, one of the offtopicers, I remember that incident
User2: Amaranth, he's probably no older than 11, pm'ed me in sms-language dutch
User4: heh
User4: He doesn't seem to understand the problem
User2: where's he now?
User6: heh.. /me adds "DROP ALL" to his nick :P
User4: User2 #compiz-fusion
User4: and a bunch of other places
User2: Daviey, input is properly escaped :p
User2: Amaranth, kill :)
User2: Seeker`, yup
User4: "it seems to be the ubuntu way to kick people there"
User2: would be a shame if he was a liar
User5: Seeker`, removes and kicks are the same and bans are +b
User5: Seeker`, want a demo?
User2: Seeker`, hm?
User2: it shouldn't make a difference, it should store both :)
User2: true
User6: @login
User2: you recognize them by mask, bans have a ! and @ in there, kicks/removes not
User6: User2 can you ack me?
User6: thanks
User6: @login
User2: try again
User2: the syncer wasn't finished yet
User6: @login
User3: OK
User6: woo
User6: @btlogin
User3: OK
User6: User2 hey, you removed the 'human' theme \o/
User2: :)
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v vorian]  by ChanServ
User7: @login
User3: OK
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Vorian]  by ChanServ
User8: that was most interesting.  my X just shut down spontaneously
User9: H4X0R!
User10: compiz?
User8: nope, no compiz involved
User1: gah i'm subscribed to ubuntu-irc with @ubuntu.com, but it seems like its sending emails to @gmail.com so when i simply click reply it just doesn't accept it :/
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v rob]  by ChanServ
User11: kahrytan, troll or not?
User11: Or just generally clueless
User1: nick rings a bell#
User1: where is it?
User12: he's been in -offtopic for a relatively long time
User1: @btlogin
User12: i think he might have been sort of trollish at times, but i don't really remember
User11: I didnt even check the tracker yet..
User13: i need to get back into #ubuntu...I believe I changed to the port to 8001. Netstat reports 8001 open on niven.freenode.net. Can someone validate this?
User13: i am not a bot
User13: i need to get back into #ubuntu
User14: Please be patient; people who can help you will, when they get here.
User13: thank you
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v elkbuntu]  by ChanServ
User3: astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
User15: In #freenode, GPT said: !bAH, my link is better.
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v SportChick]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v SportChick]  by ChanServ
User16: good morning
User16: hmm, was there some way to clear ban lists from irssi windows?
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jussi01]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [-bbbb *!*@unaffiliated/mc44 *!*@m240.net81-65-9.noos.fr *!*@91.69.162.6 zewb!*@*]  by Seveas
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [-bbbb *!*@gateway/tor/x-ef2f611f3c08ff87 *!*@208-117-26-76.block5.gvtc.com novatel*!*@gateway/tor/* novatel!*@*!##fix_your_connection]  by Seveas
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [-bbbb *!?=own@* *!*@unaffiliated/raf256 *!*@mycat.demon.nl *!*@unaffiliated/bigfuzzyjesus]  by Seveas
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [-bbbb *!*@12-218-163-227.client.mchsi.com eleaf!*@* %wii!*@* %MacOS-!*@*]  by Seveas
User16: wow
User16: wii is not banned anymore :O
User2: was muted, not banned
User16: ah right
User17: Hi all.... could you please add my ubuntu/member cloak? my LP profile is https://edge.launchpad.net/~hattory/
User18: hi Hattory
User17: hi jpatrick ;)
User18: (remember you from last CC meeting)
User18: good to know I'm not the only 16 year old on ubuntu
User17: jpatrick, yea :D
User17: young peoples rock
User17: people*
User8: cloaks, eh?
User17: nalioth, yes
User8: please link an alternate nick and add an email, Hattory
User17: nalioth, ok
User8: User17 when you are done, just PM me that you've completed the task, and i'll turn on your cloak
* nalioth returns to bed
User17: nalioth, no problem... thanks
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Seeker`]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v ompaul]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jrib]  by ChanServ
User19: User20 btw - there have been a fair few instances of trolls using the info in this channel
User20: User19 yes, I wasn't saying you shouldn't kick people
User20: User19 however Sev seams to think it no applies to everyone
User21: Is this a nice place to meet a young girl?
User20: No.
User21: ah, someone tricked me :)
User20: ok then
User17: lol
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v ompaul]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee_]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato]  by ChanServ
User22: did someone call me ?
User5: ikonia, I can by phone :)
User22: you could if I was on a machine with a sound card :D
* ompaul chuckles
User22: hello ompaul, how are you
User5: mobiled phonez
User5: great
User22: good good
User22: just how it should be ?
User5: better almost ;-)
User5: I got energy for the first time in years
User22: now that is good to hear
User22: doing something production with it ?
User22: the energy that is
User5: I had no idea what normal energy reserves were like
User5: the op the diet the exercise
User5: so this is what it is like to be a normally healthy person ;-) I'll keep it thanks
User22: big difference huh
User5: I had  no idea
User22: its nice to hear you feeling so well 
* ompaul is rockin
User5: :)
User5: ikonia,  even listening to leonard cohen would not get me down today
User22: thats strong positive attitude
User5: na its a simple fact :)
User5: ikonia, but then again I think I am not listening to him - I am listening to coldplay and being bored so I think I will pump some semi pop
User22: ramp it up !
User5: its loud enough thanks :)
User22: I meant pick up the pace
User5: inxs is what I call semi pop :)
User10: .ubotu fix bantracker!
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild]  by ChanServ
User1: @now
User3: Current time in Etc/UTC: October 14 2007, 13:09:21 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 2 days
User1: Hey Seeker`
User1: Hello Hattory, can I help?
User17: PriceChild, i'm waiting for the cloak
User1: ubuntu member?
User17: yes
User1: Is anyone currently dealing with you or shall I try and sort it out? :)
User17: nalioth, should activate it
User17: PriceChild,
User17: <nalioth> User17 when you are done, just PM me that you've completed the task, and i'll turn on your cloak
User17: ;)
User1: right ok :)
User1: he's away though so you'll have to wait :P
User17: yes... no problem :D
User1: Yeah see you've been added to the launchpad team, I'm sure he'll be back soon :)
User17: yes!
User1: Until the updated group contact form goes through, the irc council can't really ask other freenode staffers for the cloaks as we're not really group contacts yet.
User17: ok
User23: hello
User23: some stats for you: http://picpaste.com/chan_msg_counts.jpg
User23: gratz :)
* troubled waves
User5: ikonia, eh check out the playlist ;-)
User5: not back long
User3: cafuego called the ops in #ubuntu
User3: MartinW called the ops in #ubuntu
User24: isnt cafuego an op?
User24: or wasnt he
User24: Seeker`: i know ho to tell if he does but it wont tell me if he was
User24: seeing as he was the bot owner i thought he had ops
User25: User19 I have since realized that the thing I was going to ask about would be insane, since it would require promoting a package from universe to main before Thursday.  :P
User25: So, nvm
User24: lol
User24: good luck
User24: what package?
User25: User24 compizconfig-settings-manager
User25: anyway, on my way out the door again
User24: if all the depends are in main its possible but this late unlikely unless you can get a core-devl and archive admin to do it
User24: to ack it
User22: did someone call again
User22: my connection dropped and it looks like someone said me name
User5: ikonia, yeah they did, in fact it was me :)
User22: hello again
User22: sorry my connection is a bit flakey at the moment
User5: ikonia, no worries
User22: well, not mine, my connection from where I am to my machine at home
User22: apologies if I drop in and out, if its bad I'll leave the channels to not cause disruption
User5: na it is not too frequent - we have some people who seem to accept falling off the internet every 3 mins as good they get banned but staying on more than once an hour is okay
User5: for more than an hour that is
User22: my connection is normally rock solid, however today I'm struggling
User5: openvpn ?
* ompaul fought with that the week before last - ended up clamping the mtu inside the openvpn config files
User22: ahh openvpn !
User22: a favourite
User5: nothing like a good openvpn config file edit to kick off the week ;-)
User17: PriceChild, if nalioth comes back you can ping him?
User22: a good introduction
User5: ikonia, been using it for years
User5: changed versions and got bitten ;-)
User22: I've touched on it, I'm considering it for a vpn I work on at the moment
User5: Hattory, perhaps I can help
User5: ikonia, it is good stuff
User5: ikonia, however use linux / freebsd both ends - not that other popular heap of trash
User5: for more than religious reasons
User24: User17 i think PriceChild is away atm
User22: I have no use for the operating system you speak of
User5: ikonia, I love it when someone says the likes of that
User17: uhm...
User5: have a coffee and a gold start
User5: gold star
User24: User22 he didnt say windows freebsd is cool :)
User22: gnomefreak ha ha ha
User24: just wish i knoew how to make the best of it but will try again some day when i feel like reinstalling everything
* ompaul is confussed
User24: User17 can we help you with something?
User17: I'm waiting for the cloak...
User17: i talk with nalioth this morning
User24: ah ok member ckoak?
User17: I*
User5: gnomefreak, I actually don't see the joke .. can you explain it to me .. or ikonia perhaps
User24: clock even
User24: User5 yes
User5: Hattory, cloak even
User24: 11:26 <          ikonia > I have no use for the operating system you speak of
User5: ahh
User24: User5 when you said linux/freebsd
* ompaul grins
User17: gnomefreak, yes
User5: gnomefreak, well caught
User24: User5 are cloaking or does it have to go through nalioth
User5: I can
User24: User17 is waiting for ome, i missed the meeting so im assuming he got memebership
User5: gnomefreak, well we gota check
User24: i can look
User5: please you will be faster than me
User24: User17 give me a minute please
User17: gnomefreak, yea :D no problem...
User24: User17 what is real name?
User17: Paolo Naldini
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Seveas]  by ChanServ
User17: hi Seveas
User5: Seveas, Hattory okay for a cloak?
User24: User5 he did make it
User5: Hattory, make my day ask seveas for that cloak 
* ompaul pokes Seveas in the ribs with a big stick
User2: ompaul, isn't he in the cloaks group already?
User24: afaik from agenda page he was accepted
User2: ompaul, he's ok for a cloak
User5: done
User24: checking
User5: ehh
User24: he is
User5: Hattory, here have a look at this
User2: Recently approved
User2: * Naldini Paolo (hattory)
User24: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-cloaks
User2: (ubuntu-irc-cloaks)
User5: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
User24: User2 by rule they have to be accepted into the irc-cloaks team then they get cloaked?
User17: one second...
User2: gnomefreak, that's the easiest way to keep administration correct
User24: ok makes checking alot easier
User1: Hattory, woo :)
User24: User1 good morning
User17: -.-'
User17: LOL
User17: but but....
User2: butter
User1: gnomefreak, ty
User17: Nobody warned me
User17: XD
User17: ok thanks
User8: hattory has been cloaked for quite some time
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Pici]  by ChanServ
User26: hello
User8: hi Supremus, what's up?
User26: nalioth, could you please add my ubuntu/member cloak?
User8: what's your LP page, Supremus ?
User26: https://launchpad.net/~schwitzd
* nalioth mumbles about lovely ajax and other newfangled technologies that lock his browser
User8: woops, make that 'kill my browser' (it just failed)
User8: User26 enjoy your cloak  :)  make us proud  :)
User26: nalioth, thanks !
User26: :D
User26: i go tanks
* jussi01 thinks its getting about time he applied for ubuntu membership...
User8: User12 User1 please fill out one of these, and put seveas as the "approving contact"  http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml
User1: nalioth, could you op me in #ubuntuforums-hardware please?
User1: gah this contact form is evil :)
User6: It asks for the sacrifice of 3 cats
User8: what is the square root of the residual soul weight left in the dead cats?      <<< it ask stuff like that, too
User27: User8 0, cats dont have souls :P
User8: not after they're dead, no
User8: they're full of baby souls when they are alive
User8: don'tcha know anything about cats?
User5: oneko does not agree
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Dave2]  by ChanServ
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Pricey]  by ChanServ
User28: gah
User27: User28 dodgy connection?
User28: jussi01, nope dodgy modem
User27: User28 ahhh... amounts to much the same thing :)
User28: might be overheating... not sure
User27: User28 just open the window :P:P
User29: Pricey, water cool your modem.
User28: tempting
User27: hehe
User30: just dump it in a tub of oil.
User30: problem solved
User8: use flammable oil, for sure resolution
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth]  by ChanServ
User3: astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
User28: *turns modem upside down in hope that'll fix overheating problems*
User28: Hey totopalma, can I help?
User31: hi :)
User31: sorry for my english
User31: is possible to have
User31: the cloack ?
User31: ubuntu/member
User12: User31 you need to be an ubuntu member
User31: LjL, yes
User31: i am an ubuntu member
User28: Are you an Ubuntu Member totopalma? (part of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers )
User31: a moment
User28: totopalma, could we have your launchpad url please?
User12: User31 https://launchpad.net/~palma-salvatore i assume
User31: yes :)
User31: https://edge.launchpad.net/~palma-salvatore
User31: :)
User28: LjL, you wanna sort it? :)
User12: User28 probably better for him :)
User28: ah what with the Italian and all.... :P
User12: User31 ho bisogno che ti ti assicuri 1) di avere un indirizzo email registrato qui su IRC (scrivi /msg nickserv info totopalma per controllare, se non sei sicuro di averlo)   2) che tu abbia un secondo nickname "linkato" a quello principale (anche qui, /msg nickserv)
User31: ok
User4: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-users <--wth
User12: User4 what about it?
User4: weird team
User12: User4 quite. but i suppose it can't do any harm
User31: LjL, il secondo nick linkato al primo  palmatoto
User31: linkato al principale
User12: User31 bene, l'email c'? (chiedo a te semplicemente perch io non posso vedere se c', se  marcata privata)
User31: LjL, si, ho messo quella con l'alias ubuntu.com
User12: User31 va benissimo. dovrebbe arrivarti un'email con la conferma dell'entrata nel team ubuntu-irc-cloaks. per la cloak vera e propria, dovrai aspettare ancora un pochino fino a che non mi capita sottomano qualcuno dello staff di Freenode
User31: ok :)
User31: grazie :)
User31: LjL, arrivata
User31: :)
User31: ciao :)
User12: grazie a te
User4: wii/mii is back
User4: User2 ping
User2: ou
User2: oi
User2: troubles somewhere?
User4: #ubuntu-desktop
User4: and probably every other channel Wii/Mii is in
User2: -ChanServ- [Amaranth]  has been added to the access list for #ubuntu-desktop with level [10]
User4: thanks
User2: #kubuntu and the -fr channels that is
User4: ?
User2: (that's where he's in)
User2: and ##windows, but I don't care about that :)
User4: hehe
User32: ok wrong ch hhh :D
User4: ...
User12: hhh
User2: nothing says troll like a hit-and-run
User4: This is the guy that was disrupting #ubuntu-motu, no?
User4: I could have sworn he was klined, not that it would help
User12: he's been bothering #ubuntu-desktop for a while for sure
User12: i think he *was* once klined
User2: dunno, didn't know what happened there
User12: but the address is dynamic
User4: he won't be bothering #ubuntu-desktop anymore
User4: well, not more than a couple minutes at a time anyway
User2: Amaranth, any other suitable +o candidates there? The list is pretty short
User4: i don't think so
User2: k
User4: LjL can handle the #kubuntu ones
User12: handle what?
User4: if wii causes any trouble
User4: although i'd just ban him outright before he gets a chance
User4: he has been causing trouble everywhere
User12: i think he's banned in #k already, by ident
User2: mii has a diff. ident
User2: and is in #kubuntu
User12: ah
User12: ok, with ident and real name change, there's little more than banning the hostname we can do
User2: you could ban ?ii!*@*.wanadoo.fr
User2: I doubt there will be many false positives to that
User4: now it's down to #ubuntu-fr #kubuntu-fr
User4: i think he is still muted in #ubuntu-fr
User4: #ubuntu-fr told me to leave though :P
User12: User2 if he can change the ident and the realname, he can change the nickname more creatively for sure =)
User2: LjL, but does he want to? :)
User4: maybe but he'd have to figure out how he was banned first
User2: he seems keen on the wii/mii gig
User4: yeah
User12: User2 he'd try iiw if we banned both
User2: ban wanadoo entirely until they drop stupid clients
User4: and maybe there will be some pattern to the IP he gets so we only have to ban a few hundred possibilities instead of a whole ISP
User2: :)
User4: "Wannadoo Broadband is now Orange Broadband"
User4: i'm in the US and even I know that name :P
User12: User2 yeah well wanadoo.fr *has* a copious amount of trolls, but it's still not like 83.230 to warrant a net ban :)
User2: :)
User12: User4 except it's got one N only
User4: User12 huh?
User4: oh
User4: just a typo though, it's still orange
User30: what do YOU wannado?
User30: that sounds like some butchered MS slogan
User30: In Soviet Russia, ISP wannado YOU
User11: o.O
User5: jdong, in soviet russia users ban ops
User30: that sounds like fun :)
User5: in soviet russia software compiles you
User30: In Soviet Russia, DRM restricts YOU
User30: oh wait it does that here too
User11: harhar
User5: jdong, :)
User5: in soviet russia drm frees you
User5: perhaps
User5: in soviet russia irc talks on you
User12: in soviet russia you make sense
User5: no no no
User5: in soviet russia sense makes you
User12: yes, i know it didn't follow the standard IETF approved russian joke pattern
User5: LjL, which leads to the classic
User5: in soviet russia jokes tell you
User12: they do in italy too, when my friends get bored of talking about football
User12: (football *network games* actually, most of the time)
User30: User12 In Iran we don't have russian jokes, like in your country.
User5: LjL, you do live in the land of the beautiful game
* jdong adds that pattern to his meme generator script
User12: ompaul, don't make me want to hurt you
User5: LjL, ignoring soccer is a great game
User5: I have managed to do it for years
User11: I've ignored soccer _and_ football
User5: LjL, now if it was rugby .. that is worth watching
User30: I've ignored the outside world for 19 years and still going strong
User12: me too, but i've had to put up with the embarrassment of replying "none" to "what's your favorite football team" during infancy. that's a tremendous shock for an italian child to bear.
User12: in soviet russia though, world ignores you
User12: you realize you should start putting your Samba shares in fstab when you type a 100-characters long mount line automatically -- and it turns out it's the one that mounts the *wrong* share
User5: in soviet russia computers run you .... ohh wait, I have just discovered the the core idea, and how they got it for the matrix - hollywood owes irc
User12: User5 but, being the free software advocate that you are, you really can't ask for the rights now.
User5: I want them to share with everyone on the planet
User5: and stop treating their customers as criminals
User5: for instance walking into a cinema - I am still shocked by this
User12: you're shocked that people walk into cinemas?
User5: getting an announcement on the screen that they would remove people with cameras
User12: ah, we don't get those.
User5: and confiscate cameras
User5: well I wanted someone arrested for assault
User12: we merely have the obnoxious ad: "would you ever steal a car? would you ever steal a book? would you ever steal a movie? piracy - is - a - crime"
User5: that as well
User12: User5 those announcements won't be needed anymore when all cameras come with a built-in stegano mark detector that shuts down the camera when it detects a pattern marking a protected movie, you know that
User5: so I let it be known in the cinema - and seveas can testify to the fact that I have a loud voice
User12: heheh
User12: i give them the finger when they play the ad, but i dare not shout :P
User5: that notice was a crime, it was assault and people should not stand for it
User5: we as consumers have options and I for one will not be back for a good while
User5: now that is the law of this land
User12: yeah we have the option of building our own record player, i'm afraid
User12: i hate it that i've just bought this symbian phone that is *filled* with trusted computing, every app has to be signed by symbian, blearg
User5: you know DRM is just another way of enforcing the cartel and its monopoly
User5: if you forgive me mixing my metaphors
User12: User5 in that case it goes further than just the music/video industries... for instance, getting GSM cell id information is "protected" and can't be done by self-signed applications. that's to protect me, of course - not, it's because phone companies want to provide their own location-based services
User5: that is theft of your freedom
User5: can you get that information from some other $phone ?
User12: User5 i think i could on, err, windows mobile ones - since i don't think they're using signatures to restrict the API (at least heavily) yet
User12: and surely i could get it on openmoko or greenphone, i bet
User12: but then again, i wouldn't pay an openmoko 99 like i paid this one. once again, cheapness wins over ideals
User5: what is openmoko costing?
* ompaul checks his pocket for spare cash
User12: i think the dev version is 300, and the final version is planned to be 500
User12: that's not my target price for a phone really
User5: mass produced so in a year after that it will be sub 200
* ompaul wonders if he could get a dev version
User12: if it gets sub 200, with wifi and all the bells and whistles, i'd consider it
User12: i think you can
User12: i'm not sure, but i think they just give them out, they simply lack some hardware that will be in the final version
User12: i'm not *sure* openmoko/greenphone are 100% open, anyway, should need to check. you know, for instance, that FCC regulation that basically says, "if you run software defined radios on open source software, we'll laugh at you and never certify it"?
User12: for some parts they might simply be forced to lock things down
User5: hmm
* ompaul looks at it
User5: I like the irish dept of communications rules better
User5: you can drive the device any way you like
User12: User5 and you know, on symbian, even if you write an app that only uses what they call sometimes the "user-grantable" capabilities, and sometimes the "user-UNDERSTANDABLE" capabilities... i.e. you don't use what they consider to be "sensitive" APIs (which are mostly harmless really)
User5: BUT don't step outside of the allowed frequencies or power or you will feel us breathing down your neck
User12: well, even then, you can self-sign your application (it cannot simply be UNsigned), but the certificate you sign it with expires after a while anyway
User5: thats nutz
User12: (yeah, you *can* just wind back the phone's clock to install the application, but....)
User5: with a capital Z
User5: LjL, I really don't want to know any more it is depressing :)
User12: User5 yeah that's reasonable, "do what you wish just don't break the sensible rules we have", but the trend instead seems to be "in order that you don't break the sensible rules, you aren't allowed to even touch your own equipment"
User12: User5 well that's basically everything. except, perhaps, i should mention that symbian used to be a really *fine*, though always closed-source, operating system, and they've ruined it like that.  (and in other technical ways too - such as, it takes 1 minute to boot)
User5: ffs
User5: I need to diall 112 and you have to wait a min
User5: thats nuts
User5: arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
User12: User5 but, you see, "this is just a phone". people aren't even used to the concept that they can install applications on a phone *at all*, so they won't mind if certificates are needed to do that
User5: LjL, we need to write an app that encourages them to program it
User5: ;-)
User5: and get that application signed
User12: once they get used to seeing "This application is not certified and cannot be installed" messages on their *phones*, it will certainly be less surprising for them to see the same on their *computers*
User12: ompaul, there is python for starters. and it's signed. but it's only signed because it implements its own access restrictions -- your own python scripts have to be signed, or they can't access the protected parts of the API
User5: gaaaaa
* ompaul feels ill
User5: thats just sick
User5: okay I am going to go to bed
User5: have lots of fun
* Pici waves
User12: User5 well, in their infinite magnanimousity, they *do* offer a free way to sign freeware/foss applications
User12: you just have to wait a couple of months
User5: wow
User12: and if it gets rejected, it's 6 months before you can re-submit it
User5: after they rip the code
User12: for commercial applications, if they get rejected, you just have pay for the whole signing process again
User5: LjL, pfffft
User5: arrr
User5: no 
* ompaul now runs away screaming
User12: fortunately, i can install just about anything, if not very easily, since i managed to get a "developer certificate" while they're still giving them out to almost anyone
User12: but they'll stop - they've realized everyone uses them.
User5: hehe
User12: i've done my duty to guarantee ompaul a sleepless night :)
User2: !now
User3: Sorry, I don't know anything about now - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
User2: @now
User3: Current time in Etc/UTC: October 14 2007, 22:02:58 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day
User24: User2 LjL can we add wii to autoban list?
User12: User24 what good does that do, when he changes just about everything changeable?
User24: hes ban evading and being a mence(sp)
User12: yeah it's fine with me i just don't see how it would help
User24: does autoban use hostmask?
User28: So Gutsy upgrades are already offered from Feisty?
User24: or can it use names realnames ect
User12: User24 it uses things it can know. and those are hostmask, ident, realname, nickname
User11: User28 They are?
User24: User28 yes and most bugs are gone if you use -d only
User12: User24 but wii has changed all of the above
User24: so there is no way to keep him out?
User28: gnomefreak, does it automatically bring up a notification? Or do you have to invoke the command with -d manually?
User12: User24 keep banning him when he joins.
User28: I'm confused by the posts on forum
User24: maybe we should get hem a cloak :)
User12: User24 cloaks can be disabled ;)
User24: User28 gksudo update-manager -d or change sources.list and dist-upgrade
User28: gnomefreak, ahhh so starting upgrade-manager doesn't suggest it to you automatically yet?
User24: he giving me a frigging headach
User24: User28 no it *better* not
User28: grrrr silly forum people
User24: if it does let me know and ill ping mvo
User24: that would be bad
User24: User28 tbh the only way to prove that wrong would be screenshot of command and update-manager at same time
User24: i think someone ran -d and didnt think about it
User28: yeah
* mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Vorian]  by ChanServ
User24: what about banning n=wii@AMarigot
User24: since it always starts with AMarigot ;)
User24: or that would still need wii@ :(
User30: User24 we can just ban him every time he comes in... the amount of time we're wasting trying to get a step ahead of him is just lose-lose for us
User24: there has to be a way or us banning people doesnt mean anything, how many times is his ban gonna show up in bt since ites public that also gives him a step foward
User24: forward
User24: he always uses wii ro xp_killer
User24: or
User24: i have never seen him with another nick
User9: using n=wii@AMarigot will work for a bit I think
User30: can we just wildcard to AMarigot?
User30: he seems to have not figured out how to change that yet
User24: hes the only one ive noticed with it
User30: I have not seen any other AMarigots :)
User24: but that is *noticed*
User30: User24 meh we can send the other ones here to do a AreYouNotWiiSpec test.
User30: lol
User24: thats an idea
User24: i have never noticed anyone else with it (doesnt mean they are not out there) but that is a low trafic good idea
* gnomefreak hasnt /whois'ed everyone either
User11: My logs say we could narrow it down to *!*@AMarigot-102-1-*.abo.wanadoo.fr
User12: rob, no, the wii ident he already changed
User9: ah
User12: /whois mii
User24: than we n=*ii@
User24: so on
User24: but pici might be on to something
User12: i don't know
User12: i don't particularly like overbroad bans...
User12: make it !#ubuntu-ops at most i'd say
User12: that and/or the 102-1-*wanadoo
User12: too broad to just ban
User24: is that all i add for a forward is the !?
User28: yup
User28: nickname!username@hostname!forwardchannel
User24: who thinks @AMarigot-*!#ubuntu-ops is too broad?
User28: me
User24: me too but it would work
User24: how about @AMarigot-102-1-*.abo.wanadoo.fr!#ubuntu-ops
User11: I dont, I've seen nothing that matches Amarigot
User24: User11 me neither but i would much rather have more than 2 agree to it before i set it
User33: I've only seen 2 nicks with AMarigot, both wii/mii/xp_killer (and I've kept a lookout got that hostname)
User24: but either way should grab him
User12: User24 the latter seems ok with me - we just have to see how many hits from other people we get. i used to have the whole wanadoo.fr on highlight once
User12: but the former, no
User24: ok tha latter i will set in channels i can
User24: 18:53 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+b @AMarigot-102-1*!#ubuntu-o*@*
User24: do we need to shorten that?
User12: what's that?
User12: gnomefreak, the *!*
User24: it keeps showing up that way
User12: *!*@AMarigot-102-1*!#ubuntu-ops
User11: User24 Are you using some kickban script?
User24: User11 i did but tried it free hand after
User24: normally the script adds *!8
User11: I just set it in offtopic, worked fine with my script thing.
User24: *!*
User12: User24 if you tried with *wanadoo.fr, then perhaps yeah it was too long
User24: i cut that part off
User11: for irssi: /csbfw = /msg chanserv op $C $N;/wait 50;/ban $0!$1;/msg chanserv op $C -$N
User24: User4 if you can please ban *!*@AMarigot-102-1*!#ubuntu-ops in -desktop
User11: And forums?
User24: i would but i cant
* gnomefreak not brave enough to hang in there so i let others do it
User33: we still have *!*n=wii@*.abo.wanadoo.fr set in most channels too
User33: just noticed it
User24: i hope this works
User28: NeoGeo64 rings a bell
User11: familiar enough that its an autocomplete option for bantracker search here.
User12: hehe
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