User1: hey folks, now that ubuntu has stopped releasing 32bit versions of desktop is lubuntu going to go the same way shortly?
User2: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:218aaaa43c0f7b8f3ebc6e69cf2571922a944620&dn=lubuntu-17.10-desktop-i386.iso
User3: User1 as I understand it from watching devs talk about it: no, not any time soon
User1: dax, that's good news, certainly the next lts should support i386?
User3: User1 18.04? yes, i would expect so
User1: dax, that would be great news thanks
User4: 17.10 is using LXQt? I don't see a big diff visuallly
User5: Would appreciate a bit of help
User5: So is there 17.10 LubuntuNext (with LXQT) release or not
User5: "we do NOT recommend that people use it in production unless they are aware of the somewhat critical bugs associated (which are more than 10 at the point of writing this)"  <- Where is the bug tracker, https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-next shows only 1 critical bug
User5: http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/ -> "You can install Lubuntu Next by using the links available on the cdimage server"  -> link is for daily-build
User4: you're usng what currently?
User4: it's avail in solftware updater
User5: well I'm "using" 14.10, but its going to an new build (new HW etc.)
User5: I thought that 17.10 would be released as the LXDE and LXQT variant
User5: So is my best bet the daily build or the mini-image?
User6: lubuntu should be LXDE, the Lubuntu Next image should be LXQt iirc
User5: But where is the Lubuntunext image?
User5: Aaargh, there is no minimal iso image for 17.10, though this post states it as option how to install http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/
User6: as announced: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-next/daily-live/pending/
User5: Aand that's the daily build
User6: Next is still work in progress - and i guess that there will be an image with the final 17.10 too - but it is no bad thing to have work in progress in a current state
 * agaida think: with my LXQt hat on
User5: So the only option is the daily build...
User7: How do you install .deb files?
User5: dpkg -i ?
User6: apt install
User6: and for local files: apt install ./$foo.deb
User6: dpkg -i is a bit to low level and not really recommend
User6: ed
User5: true
User5: oh well, time to download the daily build then. I just wish that the home page would be a little clearer about the status of the lubuntunext, especially when you have been reading all summer that "Finally 17.10 Lubuntu will arrive with lxqt"
User6: But thats a good thing - LXQt is new and has many rough edges - with the upcoming release many of them are polished. Sometimes it is better to wait a little bit longer - remember KDE 4? :P
User5: Oh yeah, that was bad
User6: And i guess thats the point: Lesson learned - never ever switch to fast. And it isn't wasted time - LXQt is the first time in debian stable (since 9), there are many bugfixes and improvements since than - beside a brand new Qt (many bugfixes) and new KF5 (some bugfixes) - so the upcoming LXQt release will fit for Lubuntu much better than 0.11.2
User4: too
User4: it'll be ready for 18.04 then?
User6: And sometimes it is just the sum of small things that make a good DE bad - maybe no show stopper for bleeding edge people - but for the normal user who "just want to use it"
User6: User4 I really don't know - i'm "only" upstream
User4: ok
User6: imho it would be fine to make a rock stable main image with LXDE - one should not forget that it wil have five years of support - and a next image as polished as can be with support until .10 - LXQt is still unter heavy development and five years are a long time
User4: are there other distros that have already released a version with LXQt?
User4: I seeLXQt integrates with gentoo, fedora, debian, ..
User6: siduction since 2014 - based on debian sid - i guess some other sid based distros too - manjaro has an LXQt spin, newly fedora has a LXQt spin - but all have one thing in common
User6: they are less or more rolling so they will catch up with the latest development - and thats a fine thing if one decide to live on the cutting or bleeding edge
User4: yea I see
User6: and it helps a lot to get LXQt more mature
User6: and this is a real benefit for the users of so called stable or release based environments
User6: in other words - the answer: Yes we know there was a bug - it's fixed in commit #0815 don't fit very well for release based binary distributions :D
User8: hi
User8: quick question: I would like to change a power management setting - when I close lid, I would like it to "do nothing" - no sleep or lock screen or anything
User8: is there an easy way to add that option?
User8: and nevermind.....I just realized that switch off display won't actually switch off the display for an external display.....sorry sorry no question
User5: OK, dailybuild Lubuntunext installed. Now need to change the GPU from this machine. "BRB" :)
User9: agaida is exactly right
 * agaida knows nothing about linux nor LXQt
User9: User6 No but you
User9: *you're right with what you said
User9: That's my plan.
User6: and it is a good plan
User9: I agree.
User9: :P
User5: LubuntuNext now installed from the dailybuild - so far only one hardlock :P
User5: qupzilla annoyingly does not work at all with the default nvidia drivers (after installing binary drivers all is ok)
User9: User5 And that's expected.
User9: User5 That is why we didn't release it as a final ISO.
User5: Well, so far the experience has been very good. Keep up the goood work
User9: \
User9: \o/
User6: :)
User10: huh
User10: is that a bug in qupzilla or lower in QT?
User3: probably qtwebengine, if my experience with qupzilla elsewhere is anything to go by
User3: i had to do somethingorother to disable GPU rendering on my AMD card or <canvas> stuff didn't work, and i remember seeing stuff about nvidia scroll by while i was researching that
User10: thanks, that's helpful. Assume that only happens in qupzilla 2.x+?
User3: i don't have experience with pre-2.x/qtwebkit
User3: i think so
User10: thanks. I've been sticking xenial's qupzilla on ISOs for a long time now
User10: which was using an older QT5 that (iirc) didn't yet have qt3d (and possibly missing some of the qtgl stuff as well)
User10: which I think showed up in 5.8 or 5.9, something like that
User11: what aout krack
User11: what about krack
User12: don't do it
User11: User12 are you talking to me?
User12: yes, crack is bad
User11: why?
User12: well, it's highly addictive
User11: I mean the krackattacks wi-fi
User12: oh yes, that's a thing
User11: so what about krackattacks
User12: they're bad too
User11: I am vilified online
User12: wow, that must be hard
User11: it was
User12: bummer
User11: who are you wxl and what is your position here?
User12: i am that i am
User11: but you must tell who you are
User12: i must not, actually
User11: User9
User11: User9 who is wxl ?
User11: why would you not reveal yourself
User12: why should i?
User12: you tell me your street address and then i'll think about it
User11: home street
User12: yeah
User11: do you believe in God?
User12: that's a weird address
User11: God
User11: h
User11: I need to talk to Adrian Lamo
User12: well, i'm pretty sure he's not here
User11: someone might know
User12: also this is a support channel. if you're looking to chat about things unrelated to lubuntu support, you would need to go elsewhere
User11: I contacted him before it happen
User11: now you're talking
User11: I want to know the measure taken on krackattacks
User12: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3455-1/
User11: a patch?
User11: is it patched?
User12: did you read the link?
User10: there's a difference between reading and understanding, apparently.
User11: I'm not very clever
User12: fixed
User10: User11 there's already a fixed wpa_supplicant package out for supported stuff
User11: but y did it happen?
User10: i just got the fixed wpa_supplicant on xenial about an hour ago on one of my systems, i don't know how long ago the package was released.
User11: for how long did it happen?
User10: what?
User12: it's always been there
User11: do I need to change all my password?
User10: the 4 way handshake problem?
User12: or at least has been there for a long time
User10: That has nothing to do with passwords
User12: here's how to fix it:
User12: 1. turn wifi off everywhere
User10: Someone can put up a fake second Access point with the same name as yours, and force vulnerable clients to load an null encryption key
User12: 2. when updates are available, update your system
User12: 3. when the system is updated, turn it back on
User11: do you mean off wifi on my phone?
User12: every device capable of wifi, period
User10: why? Do you expect someone to bring a wifi pineapple around you?
User10: Do you live near a coffee shop that would likely be exploited by some jerk with an AP in a bag?
User11: I'm a target
User12: then follow the above instructions
User11: I have a problem with some group
User10: Then stop using computers.
User11: anonymous
User12: at this point the discussion is outside the bounds of lubuntu support
User11: they are anonymous
User10: I'm anonymous.
User11: but not anonymous group hacktivist
User12: so i would kindly ask you to continue this conversation elsewhere
User12: got it, dfsfgasd ?
User11: I still have questions
User12: questions about krack, or questions about your lubuntu installation?
User10: I still have answers for valid support questions.
User10: Krack can be considered harmless unless you have a physical adversary within range.
User11: I am targeted
User10: upgrade your router with LEDE which already has the 4 way handshake fix.
User10: only one side of the connection needs to be fixed
User10: AP or client.
User10: also, get rid of any android 6 devices
User11: I read they can seepasswords
User10: or upgrade them to android 7
User11: my android is 6
User11: they can see even with VPN connected
User12: any other questions about lubuntu?
User10: then someone can force your phone to use a key of all 00000000000, rendering everything in plaintext even though encryption says it's on.
User11: is there no safe place online?
User10: that's something you'll have to take up with google or your handset manufacturer, we can't support that
User10: there has never been a safe place online.
User12: User11 any other questions about lubuntu?
User10: User11 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/duncan_campbell_christmas_gchq_lecture/   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJfFOJVRMNU
User10: The only thing I trust these days is openssh. It's one of the few remaining trustworthy protocols.
User10: also, using HTTPS will prevent unencrypted data from leaking even if KRACK is used to attack. (Again, which requires an active adversary with a wireless access point of it's own)
User11: https can still be decrypted
User11: even passwords
User10: ... Well, of course... If it couldn't be decrypted, it would just be meaningless random data.
User6: wxl, Kamilion - please don't forget to sell our famous thin-foil-hats, please
User10: ... did you spell that right?
User10: thin foil?
User10: or tin foil?
User6: tin
User10: because tin foil isn't ferromagnetic
User10: copper foil is what you want
User6: menno AluhÃ¼te
User6: :P
User10: sorry, I don't speak spanish
User11: I'm hearing voices
User10: Buy an mp3 player
User10: it's okay, the patents have expired now.
User13: can we expect a stable version of lxqt release in 18.04?
User10: i havn't gotten an answer on that either.
User12: User13 the likelihood increases with time, but nothing's official until it is.
User12: much headway was made this last cycle
User12: but there's still hurdles to overcome
User10: ... since when has Anonymous been in Shah Alam, Selangor, Malaysia?
User11: they have always been one
User12: if you two want to talk security, please move elsewhere
User12: this is the last time i ask nicely
User11: wait
User10: okay, I am now three inches to the left.
User12: you can join #lubuntu-offtopic and discuss it there, for example
User12: but not here.
User10: pretty sure I'm already in there
User10: probably detached from znc though
User10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY   https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Buy_A_Dog , because that's the only thing that'll save you from anonymous.
User13: wxl, isn't it efficient to focus on lxqt solely... rather than focusing on both? I dont have any coding skill but to my understanding, updating qt version takes a lot of bug fixing... I noticed with a software and it was a mess... the whole OS is going to be huge ....
 * Kamilion wanders off on internets
User10: User13 lxqt's a different group of devs
User10: the list of names between lxde and lxqt is not identical
User12: User13 qt is no more problematic than gtk
User13: aah..
User10: and we still have to maintain the packages in the repository either way
User10: plus lubuntu's a lot more than just the lxde packages.
User10: Themes, default settings, xsessions...
User13: thats why...
User6: User13 and you know the true words about stable - There's this special biologist word we use for "stable". It's "dead". ~ Jack Cohen
User10: some of that can be reused; some of it must be remade (eg, some theme elements, in some cases)
User10: more recent versions have had hi-dpi theme elements included, for example.
User6: User13 but one can expect a more polished version of LXQt in 18.04 - with less rough edges and better integrated
User14: hola
User14: halo!
User14: what is this channel for?
User10: Channel topic is: Lubuntu support | About: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu | Docs: http://tinyurl.com/LubuntuHelp | Lubuntu 17.10 is out: http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/ | Offtopic: #lubuntu-offtopic
User14: i am looking 4 somebody
User10: [15:05:51] somebody: No such nick/channel
User10: [15:05:51] somebody WHOIS info from sinisalo.freenode.net
User10: somebody is not on freenode right now.
User14: i think his name is tsimon like that
User14: like digimon
User10: i thought it was simon, like simon.
User10: Â¯\_(ã)_/Â¯
User14: do u think its funny
User14: do i look like i want a piece of your joke
User14: do i?
User14: LOL
User14: gotcha!!
User14: isnt it funny
User14: hahahahaha lolololol
User14: u mustve dropped ur pizza
User14: omg its fucking funny
User14: nobody replied lololol
User15: User14 You're after tsimonq2 ?
User14: not really
User14: who is that
User15: "i think his name is tsimon like that"
User14: User10 lolololol
User14: i dont remember
User14: User15 are you tsimon?
User15: Seriously..
User14: why so serious
 * mpmc smells a troll.
User16: User14 Please stop this now.
User14: ok ok im leaving
User10: :3
User10: Sometimes walking away from the computer ends up being a lot funnier than I assumed it would be
User10: ohayo
User12: you haven't heard about the flash vulnerability?
User12: i wouldn't even bother with it at this point, frankly.
User12: then don't use it! XD
User12: it's on its way out
User12: they've already called it discontinued
User12: ask the website
User12: they're doing you a disservice by forcing you to use it
User10: use shumway
User10: http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/
User10: works great for older flash stuff like albinoblacksheep.com's collection of flash3-flash7 swfs
User10: User12 yeah, practicefusion requires flash, and the hilarious thing is, they were targeting doctors with ipads
User10: to extort extra money out of said doctors; they offered a subscription remote desktop service, purely to allow a single flash app to run on an ipad.
User10: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_Fusion
 * Kamilion was the jerk that had to get said subscription remote desktop service working
User10: all so they could have some styled buttons in their forms
User12: what is this terrible site you're using, mr-day ?
User12: which one?
User17: krack
User17: a group of kid scarer is following me online
User12: User17 are you done or do i need to kick you?
User12: mr-day: so use chrome, right?
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