User1: what's up
User1: anyone know how to change screen resolution in edubuntu... I tried System>Preferences>Screen Resolution but it wouldn't let me choose a size... so now I'm using 600X800
User2: User1 thin client or regular workstation?
User2: and I assume 800X600
User1: regular workstation
User1: yeah, 800X600
User1: no actually it's 640X480
User2: might be problem with your xorg.conf
User1: when I first installed it, it was working fine, but now it's not
User2: you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
User2: make sure HorizSync i VertRefresh are correctly set up
User2: under "Display" you'll have number of resolutions listed like:
User2: Modes - "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
User2: change the order so the first one will start by default
User1: ahh..
User2: what? :)
User1: Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" -- using "application/*"Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
User1: that's what I get
User2: ah :P
User2: sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? :(
User2: :)*
User1: okay I'm viewing xorg.conf
User2: oki, told you what you must do :)
User1: sorry to be a pain but I can't see modes
User2: User1 care to paste your xorg.conf files pls?
User2: not here tho :P
User2: pastebin pls
User1: actually I found it... I had to type gedit after sudo
User1: now I found modes
User2: ok, you think you can manage?
User1: nope, cause 1600X1200 is the default... not understanding
User2: uh, vertical and horizontal sync/refresh fine for your monitor?
User1: where would I find that?
User2: HorizSync and VertRefresh
User2: and in your monitor manual :)
User1: ???
User2: uh
User1: how do I save it after I edit it
User2: User1 you click "Save" in gedit :)
User1: can't use sudo now
User2: what? /me is confused :P
User1: well, I tried gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf first and tried to save and it said no permission
User2: ofcourse :)
User2: you must "gksudo gedit bla/bla" if you wanna use gedit
User1: not working
User2: hm, why not?
User1: (gedit:6622): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
User1: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
User2: User1 thats not a problem
User1: ok
User1: how do I send you my xorg.conf?
* pygi should go to sleep :(
User2: User1 you pastebin it
User1: dude, I'm a total noob
User2: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
User2: paste it there, then you gimme the url
User1: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25117/
User2: thanks
User1: no, thank you
User1: hey pygi, I have to go right now, can you email me @ gmail
User2: User1 ergh, not really :)
User2: please try replacing your xorg.conf with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25119/plain/
User2: and restart your X server
User2: probably wont help, but worth a shot :)
User2: bye rwhitehair and good luck :)
User1: well, I should be on later
User1: thanks for the help
User3: Evening all
User4: ping LaserJock
User5: hello
User5: you're up early
User5: I've been having fun
User4: good good
User4: is it ok?
User4: you're happy?
User5: yep
User5: laserjock.us/blog
User4: bloody el man
User6: oh no
User4: drupal already eh?
User6: LaserJock has a blog now, that is scarey
User6: tell pete to hook me up as well :)
User6: im to cheap to purchase a domain
User4: hehehe
User6: i will continue leaching off of others with my hippy wasy
User4: ah LaserJock purchased his domain
User6: for instance, http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog
User4: I just rent him the server space
User6: ;)
User6: heh
User6: i didn't even see you at first cbx33
User6: im talking about you, and you are right there in front of me ;)
User4: heheh
User6: gg
User6: i need to shut these auto-reminder lines off in konversation..they make me miss a bunch of stuff
User5: auto-reminder?
User6: remember
User6: sorry
User6: they let you know where you left off, but they are the same color as the j/q/p messages, so i don't see text sometimes
User6: plus i just glance a majority of the time
User5: ah
User7: greetz edu-ubuntero's
User8: hiya RichEd
User7: hey HedgeMage :)
User8: my mom said to tell you that "UbuntuEd doesn't sound weird at all if you've heard of Ubuntu, so just make sure to mention it first." :)
User8: hehe
User7: thanks :)
User7: I also found drupaled.org as their sub-brand ... so there is precedent in FOSS
User8: :)
* RichEd getting a much needed coffee ... back in a boil
User8: I now feel totally dumb... I'm a drupal person and I never knew about that site.
User8: That's just sad.
* RichEd hands HedgeMage a hanky
User8: thanks, babe ;)
User7: User8 do you have a favourite drupal look & feel site ?
User8: So how are you doing today?
User5: hi RichEd
User8: hmmm...
* HedgeMage thinks
User7: well thanks .... going camping with the kids and JaneW to an outdoor music festival this weekend ... 2 days & nights no electricity or pc's :)
User8: nice :)
User8: I'm sure you'll find some way to pass the time not spent in a concert ;)
User7: "rocking the daises" :)
User8: I used to have a list of cool-looking drupal sites somewhere... I can't find it
User8: hrm
User8: I should really put it on my web site or something so I don't lose it
User7: Well if you think of any ... let me know ... prefreably ones that cover the the whole shooting match ... web site, forums, blogpsace
User6: UbuntuEd?
User6: name change possible/
* HedgeMage nods
User7: nope !
User8: It's probably on the office computer, in which case I'll dig it up in the morning.
User6: whew
User7: let me clarify nixternal before there is a riot ... dancing around a burning RichEd
User6: i was gonna say, here in the doofy ol US, when you are in a <course>Ed, usually means you are lacking something ;)
User6: lol
User8: Nah, we'd never burn you... tie you to a stake and taunt you, yes, but never actually set you on fire :P
User7: We need a space for Ubuntu in Education ...
User6: totally agree on that...as I have tried here with my uni, and they are going with SuSE, only because of the Support.
User6: whoa...i have a chance again though
User7: We have Edubuntu = Ubuntu product for the Education Desktop (and serer and LTSP server) but that is a classroom tool
User6: with Novell and their issues here..i may have to push Ubuntu again
User7: (we will never mess with the name or brand or direction of Edubuntu !)
User6: good deal..im so used to saying it ;)
User6: Laser_awa:
User6: Laser_awa: hey
User7: But for Education, there is a wider use of Ubuntu products ...
User6: didn't fall for it this time
User7: e.g. Ubuntu on the firewall / content malonejulie@example.org.
User7: e.g. Ubuntu on the Staff Admin PCs
User6: like my college for one...they currently use Fedora 2..and plan on switching to SuSE by the spring. But Novell might drop support for SuSE, otherwise big brother Microsoft won't help them on a default
User7: e.g. Ubuntu on the Education department Server Farm : Mail Server, Web Server, Content Repository
User7: So we need a space, for people in Education, who use Ubuntu Products.
User6: man...and the College of DuPage is screaming for that RichEd as well
User7: Edubuntu is *one* of these products
User7: A pretty damn fine product, but it is not all things to all education people.
User6: i run Ubuntu Chicago LoCo, and I am on the board of the CoD LUG as well...so they actually listen to me somewhat...i might have to put something together again, and go at it differently this time around
User7: So we are looking at the following pitch to an Education Institution:
User6: they keep wanting to teach students admin, yet they want to outsource everything..i think having tech support in house for students to maintain would be ideal, all the while utilizing an Ubuntu network
User7: Edubuntu in the classroom, Ubuntu for all other computing needs, one family, one community, one support base, one knowledge base and training base. Free on the desktop. Commercial support available for critical servers.
User7: No other distro can offer that complete range.
User6: excellent pitch w/o a doubt
User7: So, to get back to the name controversy ;)
User6: Edubuntu as it stands, to me my opinion, is it is K-5 maybe, leaving out the 6-12 range and higher
User7: Ubuntu is planning solution spaces on the ubuntu.com web site, of which, one will be:
User7: (hold that thought nixternal ! - back to it in a mo)]
User6: hehe
User7: http://www.ubuntu.com/education which will ridrect to http://www.ubuntu.com/solutions/education
User7: similarly (for example only) ...
User7: http://www.ubuntu.com/icafe which will ridrect to http://www.ubuntu.com/solutions/icafe
User7: with me so far ?
User9: User7 do we really need the word "solutions" in the url?
User6: yup
User7: User9 that's the official space ... let me unravel the whole picture
User9: we need a better term
User6: i think that solutions should be in the url for site indexing
User9: solutions if massively overused in IT
User9: s/if/is/
User7: User9 that's the ubuntu direction, out of our control, but enough precedent in the rest of the web world for it to make sense
User8: User9 it's a meaningless buzzword that makes management types happy, that is a use in itself :P
User9: given we already have /server and /desktop, having /education and /internetcafe would follow the lead
User9: User8 and customers hate it
User9: User7 grumble
User7: User8 :) well cdone for supporting the same thing
User9: I asked Matthew to discuss major changes in the website
User6: heh, true, what I have been seeing though is companies starting to utilize "Resolution" instead of solution, and the campaign im working on for my MBA is IT Resolutions - Fixing Current Corporate Solutions
User8: hehe
User7: So that will be a landing zone for people coming in to Ubuntu via www.ubuntu.com and then jumping into the "education solutions area" *but* this is the "official space" and is for primarily for suits & decision makers
User6: Burgundavia is right though...if you think about it, there isn't a "solution" for education really..so to fix that, you would need to have a resolution...you can't have a true solution, as your solution might not be the correct one
User7: What we are talking about (how this thread started) is our own space where we can have our own flavour and community ...
User9: exactly
User6: suiters are big time into IT Solutions and Mandates
User7: Not on the www.ubuntu.com site ...
User6: im into IRC and Ubuntu, I wish they would understand that already ;)
User8: hehe
User7: A drupal driven Ubuntu and Education community focused space
User9: User7 what is immediately clear to me is that there has been no public discussion of the website and direction and that pisses me off
User9: very seriously pisses me off
User7: User9 Matt Nuzum has just joined recently, and he is consolidating Ubuntu web sites ... and I see that he is making a good start at a unified platform view. He is the first fully focused web master.
User9: User7 and he has communicated nothing publicly
User9: hence my anger
User7: When he has the sprawl under control, there will be a base from which to take comment ...
User9: no, that is not how it works
* RichEd can understand Burgundavia's point
User9: it is the communities website as much as it is Canonicals and we need dicussion as to direction and community buyin from the ground up
User9: currently Canonical is failing on that
User7: User9 I will ping matt later and let him know "some of the feeling" ...
User9: and I am not some random ranter. I have edit rights on the website and drove initial /desktop and /server page ideas
User9: User7 I just emailed him
User7: But I do not want to be drawn into that too much, let me rather say that this is perhaps say a reason why we want our own space for Education ...
User9: why not use Edubuntu for all education stuff
User9: ?
User9: otherwise you end up with duplication
User7: Nope ... we are not replicating product information, or documentation or anything like that ...
User9: then what is going there?
User9: beyond a link to edubuntu.org?
User8: User9 I think he's leaning more toward stuff like use cases, how to know where to use edubuntu vs. ubuntu, "this is what I did in my classroom and here's a lesson plan" etc
User9: use cases shoudl be edubuntu.org and so should the lesson plan stuff
User9: edubuntu vs ubuntu is a one paragraph, followed by a link to edubuntu.org
User7: The new area is a front end, more education user friendly, which will host more teacher / scholar info and end user community driven forums etc. and have links back to the official info on edubuntu.org (where it is an edubuntu desktop isue) and ubuntu.com where it is ubuntu desktop / server stuff.
User9: voila, our entire /education namespace can be one page
User9: User7 if edubuntu.org is not meeting those needs, we need to fix edubuntu.org, not dump stuff on ubuntu.com
User7: No we are not dumping stuff on ubuntu.com ... let me go get my initial comments that started this thread !
User9: right
User8: User9 Wouldn't lesson plans and stuff just dilute edubuntu.org which is, I thought, supposed to be about the software?
User9: if it relates to Education and Ubuntu, it should be edubuntu.org
User7: We need a space for Ubuntu in Education ... We have Edubuntu = Ubuntu product for the Education Desktop (and server and LTSP server) but that is a classroom tool ... but for Education, there is a wider use of Ubuntu products ...
User9: that is where you need rich cross linking
User9: to me edubuntu is more than just the LTSP+GNOME we ship currently
User9: its scope is "Edubuntu in Ubuntu"
User9: or rather, the other way around
User9: driving people to two different websites is simply going to lead to confusion
User7: If someone runs a school admin system (school financials, parent & children records, procurement, tuck-shop management) in the school admin department, they wil, not run an edubuntu desktop, but an ubuntu desktop with School Admin tools.
User9: that still falls under the scope of Edubuntu
User9: like I said, Edubuntu is more than just the currently technology it uses
User7: Why Edubuntu ? please explain ... I need to understand your pov
User9: Edubuntu is Ubuntu for Education
User9: doesn't matter which piece of Ubuntu they are using
User7: But isn't Edubuntu a specific product ?
User9: no, it is a project, which currently uses LTSP
User7: Not sure what you mean by that last starement, Not all Edubuntu installations use LTSP. Not all LTSP installations use Edubuntu.
User9: exactly
User7: ?? now I'm confused
User9: lets move Edubutu beyond the range of a single piece of technology
User7: expand ?
User9: Edubuntu is currently two things: a distro that uses LTSP and a project that ships that distro
User9: "The current version of Edubuntu is aimed at classroom use, and future versions of Edubuntu will expand to other educational usage, such as university use. "
User9: ^ from the front page of edubuntu.org
User7: Yes agreed. 100%. But that is all inside the Edubuntu product, in different "editions / flavours" for diffrerent clasrrom desktops.
User7: If an Education Deparment has national server farm, running web servers, mail servers, content filtering, internet link, woudl they install Edubuntu or Ubuntu server ?
User9: no, it clearly covers other pieces of technology, like schooltool
User9: for that, they would be using "Edubuntu"
User9: but of course, from a technology standpoint, there would be no difference
User9: this is about marketing
User7: Would they take an Edubuntu CD and install the server from that ? Would they want an Education desktop on the server with KHangman as an application ?
User9: sure
User9: any place that people want Linux in an educational environment, we want them to go to edubuntu.org for that
User9: doesn't matter what specific piece of technology they are using
User9: if they are using servers, then they will find an educational server community, ditto for desktops
User6: OK, I am a TA for "Intro to Linux" at the Uni. We teach in one class "Linux Firewall", if I was to use Ubuntu as my teaching tool for that class, the information could be attainable via Edubuntu then?  Or would it be practical to be a page under ubuntu.com/whatever/education?
User9: all that should be on edubuntu.org
User9: now, it may just be a link to some ubuntu content, but it should be found initially on edubuntu.org
User7: Please explain why some techie, who is 20 miles from a classroom, running a server farm, would chose an Edubuntu Server and Desktop ? I need to understand where you are coming from.
User7: please
User9: my goal is thus: If you are thinking about Ubuntu in Education, in any capacity, you should be able to come to edubuntu.org and get information
User6: if that is the case, then edubuntu.org would have to restructure itself away from being a website about "Edubuntu the Linux OS"
User7: In my opinion, for most people, Edubuntu is a product, that installs an education desktop. We have many universities who use Ubuntu and have support contracts to back it up. Their product in Ubuntu, and they are in education.
User10: User6 I think pips1 and RichEd is currently working on that
User10: (god morning, btw)
User10: *good :)
User6: moin' ;)
User4: User7 howz it going
User9: User6 no, it does not
User9: User6 Edubuntu is about Ubuntu (the linux distro) in Education
User7: Let me explain that we are NOT talking about a space that is as the same level as edubuntu.org or ubuntu.com ... we are talking about a community space.
User9: User6 if you replace linux with LTSP< then you are correct
User9: if we are talking community building, it should very clearly malonejulie@example.org
User6: well, if im an instructor at a uni, why would i want to view a page that is rather "elementary" and "childish", as that is what the "Brand" is targeted for?
User9: User6 that is tangent to this dicussion and very much a cart before the horse argument
User6: well LTSP wouldn't replace Linux anyways
User9: if we decide to broaden up Edubuntu.org, then it will be redeveloped to follow
User6: ok then..that was my point
User9: User7 what I see is that you are getting very stuck on the current product of Edubuntu, rather than what it was scoped to be
User7: There are two types of community, I feel the need to differentiate. There is the "core community" as I call it the hobbyist space, which is our level, who are passionate about Linux. Then there is the mainstream commnity, which is normal people, passionate about Education.
User6: if Edubuntu is about Ubuntu in Education, then I think the scope of Education needs to be either 1, redifined, or 2 defined in general. As of right now, Edubuntu, Ubuntu in Education, is elementary education, and not high school to college based or targeted
User9: exactly why everything should malonejulie@example.org
User9: User6 edubuntu (the product) not being targetted at higher than education is due to lack of developer resources, not lack of scope
User7: We look after edubuntu.org and there is a quality of information about our product and linux, and a degree of control to make sure that this quality is maintained.
User9: higher than elementary, rather
User9: User7 that is a given
User6: i understand that whole heartedly, and i think it sucks that it is like that as well
User9: this is our chance to do something about it
User6: damn, Burgundavia jsut started a rallying cry with this I think
User9: edubuntu as LTSP is really truly boring and too narrow a scope
User6: i almost jumped out of my chair and started to do something...you are 110% correct about this being our chance
User6: and edubuntu isn't all about LTSP
User6: and vice versa..if it is, then I need to rework my last job
User7: Edubuntu and LTSP are not one and the same thing ... agreed.
User6: edubuntu and ltsp is great for the communities that can't afford new systems...but that shouldn't be the only target...ltsp is great w/o a doubt, but i haven't had a reason to really use it just yet..and i know with the work we have done with FREE GEEK, we have been OK so far
User7: User9 can you please confirm is you agree or disagree with this: "Edubuntu is an Ubuntu variant that provides an education or classroom desktop and tools."
User7: *fs you
User7: *if you
User7: 9sorry)
User6: lol
User7: too much passion in this thread !
User6: ya there is, and that is good
User6: i think the other communities need this as well
* RichEd states categoricaly that no decision have been taken and this debate is god ... we are in the ideas stage ... and this has all been discussed in edubuntu-meetings for 3 weeks now
User7: *good :P
User6: heheh...kick the keyboard
User7: Burgundavia ??
User8: I blame invisible typo gnomes!
User9: User7 sorry, moving upstairs
User7: okay ... let me repeat ...
User9: no, I go tit
User7: User9 can you please confirm if you agree or disagree with this: "Edubuntu is an Ubuntu variant that provides an education or classroom desktop and tools."
User6: s/variant/project ?
User6: i can't remember what the community is using this week to explain the differences between all of the "flavors"
User9: how about this "The Edubuntu project is a place for Educators and Technology Professionals in the education sphere to learn about Ubuntu in education"
User9: that is very rough, but I think it captures what I was trying to say
User7: okay ... hold that thought ... please no one interrupt until we can get this clear
User7: User9 And Edubuntu the CD ? the product ?
User9: Edubuntu the project, which has a host of tools to offer educators, one of which is LTSP
User9: another of which is SchoolTool, or postfix, et.
User7: User9 (with all due respect for the moment, can we leave LTSP out of it ... that is a small part of our install base)
User9: our project scope should very deliberatly not mention any specific technology or just the desktop
User9: yes, leaving out LTSP has been waht I have been arguing all along ;)
User7: But then, and this is the point I *need* to understand, what is the difference between Edubuntu the Product and Edubuntu the Project ?
User9: we currently have not gone beyond the single product
User7: If I go to the education department and give them a CD to build their server farm, what CD do I take ?
User9: hence the confusion
User7: if you look here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/education/planning
User7: you will see that we are now looking at how to go wider ... and the thoughts are in public space ;)
User9: right
User9: that is exactly what I have been saying
User7: if you look here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/education/planning/profiling you will see the start of a stakeholder / user list
User9: I am just saying lets use the Edubuntu name to move it forward
User7: I see that we may cause confusion with the name of the product, coming back to me taking my CD to the education department.
User7: What if the school, like a current project in the exUSSR is installing Kubuntu on 3,800 desktops. Is that Edubuntu ?
User9: well, you ask them what they are using it for an offer them either a desktop or a server cd
User9: is that 3800 in a school?
User7: No a nuber of schools as a pilot, if the pilot works, it goes national.
User7: *number
User9: I would put that under the Edubuntu scope
User7: I (myself) would put it under Ubuntu in Education scope.
User7: Where Ubuntu is the family, and not Ubuntu the product.
User7: Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Ubunu are all products in the Ubuntu family.
User7: my opinion only !
User9: I don't see it like that
User9: I see Edubuntu has this place for people to come together and talk about and use Ubuntu (and its variants) in educational environments
User9: regardless of their particular choice of technology (KDE, GNOME, LTSP, etc.)
User7: (other people can join in now ... by all means)
User6: im on my way to bed, as right now im to far tired to make sense i think ;)
User6: the passion is deep w/o a doubt, and i wish this passion would spread like the ecoli in the spinach here  ;)
User9: User6 dude I ate some of that spinach and am still here
User6: lol
User6: then you didn't get "The Spinach"
User9: nope
User7: So, in the edubuntu.org space, if someone is discussin how to best configure the Ubuntu Content Server for the Education Server Farm, and tune it for performance, is that debated in our area, or in Ubuntu area (because to the techie his problem is no different to serving info from say a Bank's Public Content server)
User9: my sanity is, of couse, already questionable
User6: i cut back on rabbit food the past few weeks
* RichEd needs more coffee in - back in a sec
User6: off to bed i go..i will pick this up later, and i will continue to follow this... HedgeMage, i promise to start helping with some doc stuff with you as well. i have the svn here local and have began playing around with it..when i get some good hacks, i will email you the .diffs
User6: g'nite all!
User8: User6 thank you, you are wonderful.
User8: User6 if you pm me an email address I'll give you commit privs
User6: i wouldn't go that far, but no problem ;)
User6: malonejulie@example.org ;)
User6: my spamfilters rock!
User8: cool, I'll send off your info tonight :)
User6: no rush, but thanks!
User6: i need to get with Jerome as well on some stuff..maybe he will be around soon
User7: g'night nixternal
User8: sweet dreams, nix
User4: hey HedgeMage
User8: heya cbx33 
* RichEd is back
User4: howz it going
User8: wb, RichEd
User4: hey RichEd
User8: User4 okay... kind of sleepy... hubby screwed up his laundry so I'm staying up to fix it
User4: awwww
* HedgeMage is a sucker
User7: User9 Please read through the planning pages and mail me comments. This is a public & community debate. The good thing is that we all agree on what needs to be done. We're just debating *where* :))
User9: User7 will do
User7: tx
User10: 232
User7: asdl reset :( did I miss any comments ?
User8: nope
User2: morning everyone
User8: morning, pygi
User2: hey HedgeMage :)
User7: greetz User2 we are meeting later today ... confirmed :)
User2: User7 confirmed :)
* RichEd is back in 15
User11: RichEd, morning
User7: hi juliux ... how are you ?
User11: RichEd,  i am good, i am testing the beta ;)
User11: tomorrow my thinclients are back
User7: User11 It looks like Poland is a definate, and I will be stuck in Europe for Mon/Tue between conferences.
User11: cool
User12: juliux, make sure to have at least two NICs in the server
User7: User11 Mon 20 - Tue 21 November -  Will you be abee to host a visit for me ?
User12: we default to a two NIC setup now
User7: User11 where are you based ? I must look at logistics ...
User11: RichEd, Dresden
User11: RichEd, in the middle of noware
User12: no warez ?
User12: :)
User11: ogra, yes i know, i have to build ot my tv card and to build in a second nic
User7: okay ... is their an easy train route to poland (confirming city today)
User11: RichEd, we can met in berlin if this is easier for you
User11: ogra, but two nics is a problem for little pc like my one
User11: ogra, i have only one pci slot
User12: well ... its a longstanding request ...
User12: you can still install on a single NIC system but will miss the nice autosetup
User11: and what is with an edubuntu mac mini server? has the mac mini two nics?
User12: (i.e. gettingstarted is still valind then)
User11: i have to nic but one is wlan ;)
User12: thast ok
User12: (in fact thats how i test it ;)
User11: yes but it is not working during the installation process
User11: it is a usb stick and you ne the prism drivers
User11: need
User12: bah, broadcom
User12: right
User11: i have no money to buy a new wlan stick
User12: well, then you have to do manual fiddling, you know the drill
User11: i will test it with to nics,
User12: it will still work like before with a single NIC setup (you just get one more warning that the autosetup doesnt work in the installer)
User12: with two NICs you dont need to touch *anything*
User11: that is cool
User11: but at first i will install the ubuntu beta on my notebook
User12: pfft ubuntu
User12: who uses *that* ?
User11: i on my notebook
User12: bah ... use the RIGHT one :) not this derivative of edubuntu :)
User11: i also have to see what the rest is doing
User12: i actually saw the ubuntu dapper artwork for the first time in wiesbaden at the sprint :)
User2: User12 muahaha, lol :)
User13: Quck question can I update ubuntu to edubuntu (ie is ther a guide in wiki) ?
User4: yes you can it's easy
User4: User12 over to you
User13: cool thanks
User13: I'll look in wiki id its there
User12: sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop ;)
User13: no
User13: lol
User4: there ya go ;)
User4: easy as pie
User13: hehe
User13: don't mention food
User13: I'm hungry
User4: awww now I gotta go eat again
User4: I'm hungry too
User13: lol
User12: if you want the ltsp bits as well, install edubuntu-server and follow the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall doc
User13: thanks
User13: more the games for my young one
User13: & themes
User12: ah, then -desktop should suffice
User13: thanks guys the nicest irc channel on the web ;-)
User4: User13 no worries
User4: now go get some food and insall edubutnu ;)
User13: ok ...
* MrGreen loves cbx33 very much
User4: hehehe
User7: ogra : see -> for numbers
User12: could someone look over http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/lts.conf-params and tell me if thats understandable ?
User12: oh
* ogra just got a mail from Jerome
User4: just looking
User12: seems they had a typhoon at his place
User4: oh no
User4: is he ok?
User12: it shut off everything (power internet etc)
User7: is he okay ?
User12: he seems ok ... and he still can send mail apparently
User12: ...
User12: hey ogra we just had a bad typhoon here yesterday nothing works except
User12: mobile gprs. power expected to come back sunday. oh well...no power no
User12: phone no internet thank god gprs still works. - Jerome G.
User12: ...
User4: good
User4: I'll keep them in my prayers
User12: just in case anyone wonders
User4: User12 wrt to that document
User12: yep ?
User4: there is a little inconsistency in defining the options
User4: (PRINTER_0_WRITE_ONLY) (Y, N (default)) - serial only
User12: N is the default here
User4: oh hang on
User4: I lost my thingy that I was using as an example :0
User4: one questions I had
User4: why do some allow
User4: Y,y and some only Y
User4: ah yes here  (PRINTER_0_PARITY) (default: N) - serial only
User12: because the ones that base on plain ltsp code only respect Y/N
User4: you have Y,N(default)
User4: and default: N
User4: is there anyway to keep that consistent?
User12: we had defaulted to real boolean values in dapper and now we merged both, so you can specify either
User4: or do you think it doesn't matter
User12: (for our code)
User12: no, that should become consistent ..
User4: I have to go for lunch (playing drums for the kids)
User12: the doc is for sbalneav, he will work it out more readable
User4: bbl
User4: User12 ah ok cool
User4: in that respect it seems fine
User12: and merge it into the handbook
User12: but i need to ship something in ltsp itself as well, so thanks for the suggestion, i'll fix that
User4: lemme know if you need any proofing
User12: willdo
User2: uh, that's bad :(
User2: the typhoon!
User2: ogra, RichEd : I was just in  a local school talking with a head-master ;)
User7: hi pygi and was he interested ?
User2: User7 well, they called me 'cause they wanted more information
User7: lovely ...
User2: it's kinda techical school, so I'll have to explore can we offer them all the apps they would need
User7: ^^^ good ... move that exact thought to the msg box
User14: hi guys
User15: Howdy folks
User15: Hello TeePOG
User14: hi bddebian
User2: bddebian, TeePOG hey ho :)
User14: hi pygi
User15: Hi pygi
User15: User2 You didn't install pyeducation, did you? :)
User2: User15 hm, I have?
User15: Hmm, it blew up for me :-(
* pygi thinks that's weird
User14: tell me guys, why would a user not be able to launch an app from the command line? it works from my login, but when I su to the new account, it says "Xlib: Connection to :0:0 refused by server"
* cbx33 is compiling wine :S
User14: hmmm cbx33, the first step is to sudo apt-get remove cork
User4: heh
User4: but it;s being stubborn
User2: User4 pm window
User16: hey guys
User16: Does anyone have a few minutes to help me sort out a wireless problem on our NEPAD project?
User7: hey willvdl ... try #ubuntu as well ... ask who looks after networking on #canonical
User16: time critical request at the mo. will check
User4: User16 I can try
User4: what's up
User16: -->
User16: second thoughts..
User16: we're setting up a wireless network in the demo schools
User4: ok
User16: but cannot seem to cennect
User4: encryption?
User16: iwconfig says radio off so dvcp doesn't resolve or anything
User16: no encryption, open
User16: for the moment
User4: ok, has the button on the laptop been pressed to turn wireless on?
User16: yip
User4: what does lspci show
User4: pastebin it
User16: one sec
User16: lspci|grep 220
User16: gives: Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG
User16: rev 05
User4: hmmm
User4: argh you may have to use ndiswrapper for it
User4: what does modprobe give you?
User16: one sec, apparently firmware is restricted
User4: oh?
User16: Intel firmware licence
User16: there are repositories for it somewhere...
User4: ahh
User16: popping in the fw file
User4: kk
User17: no, ipw2200 is fully supported on ubuntu
User17: no need for ndiswrapper
User16: just testing again
User16: hmmm, checking software control for turning the thing on
User17: willvdl, the firmware comes with linux-image-2.6.15-<something> on dapper
User16: hmmm, wasn't loading it
User16: modprobe gives zzr
User17: what is 'zzr'? :)
User16: dmesg says Kill Switch must be off for wireless to work
User17: willvdl, 'kill switch' is a hardware button
User17: I have one of these on a ipw2100 and on a ipw3945 notebooks
User17: its likely that you have one of these on your machine too
User17: if its an ibm thinkpad, its usually Fn+F7 (or some button close to it)
User16: compaq nc6220
User17: do you have a Fn key?
User16: no hardware switch
User17: no key has a third symbol ressembling a '((*))' ?
User16: hang on... /sys/bus/pci/drivers/   looking for rf_kill
User16: heck. there is but no dice (not recognised)
User17: I think you can only control it via hardware (its the case on the two laptops I mentioned)
User17: willvdl, on the ipw3945 I have an external trigger, which can not be easily seen. this trigger is the hardware button for wireless
User17: maybe would be worth checking if there is any hidden trigger on your laptop too?
User16: the big bold wireless button doesn't do anything. LED changes but dmesg shows nada
User17: oh, so there is a wireless button :)
User17: willvdl, lets try harder - make sure the wireless button is on the right position, sudo rmmod ipw2200 && sudo modprobe ipw2200
User12: rodarvus, isnt the firmware in the restricted repos ?
User16: rodarvus, just checking for hotkey drivers quickly.
User17: (wild guess) maybe the driver is only checking for hardware button when loaded
User17: ogra, no, dpkg -S /lib/firmware/* and you'll see
User17: (I thought it should be on -restricted-modules too, but it isnt')
User16: going to try rfswitch
User12: ah, right ...
User12: in any case the nc6220  should work, iirc it was even shipped with freedos and ubuntu by HP
User4: ipw2200 is not fully supported
User4: trust me
User4: I have a tosh with one and it didn't work
User12: could be that you need the modified HP iso
User4: it is a slightly differnt model which requires ndiswrapper
User12: huh ?
User12: then youre the first person i see using ndiswrapper with ipw at all :)
User4: I can't remember who helped me out on it, but I needed ndisweapper
User4: User12 indeed....
User12: did you talk to mjg59 ? 
* pygi really didn't see ipw+ndiswrapper
User17: me too, I have only seen positive experiences with ipw drivers
User17: all of the ones I've seen work 100%, including wep, wpa, network manager, etc
User2: User17 right
User4: yes I did ogra
User4: I think
User17: I think my ipw3945 even supports wpa2, but I don't have a wpa2 router to check
User18: Hi guys! My edubuntu pc has 2 nics: the first is always eth0, but the 2nd is sometimes eth1 and other times eth2. eth1/2 is the nic where the clients are connected, and the problem prevents all the stuff from working, because in /etc/network/interfaces I define eth1, and when it is eth2 it keeps unconfigured. Any hint?
User12: paolob, define it in /etc/iftab
User12: mn iftab should help you
User12: *man
User16: there's a debian package for rfswitch, is there one in ubuntu repositories?
User4: User16 any luck
User16: urk, just trying to get an rfswitch package
User18: ogra, thank you
User18: ogra, when is /etc/iftab read, at boot or when configuring the interfaces?
User18: ogra, when is /etc/iftab read, at boot or when configuring the interfaces?
User12: at boot
User12: before configuring the interfaces indeed :)
User18: ogra, thank you, let me reboot then
User17: willvdl, there is no (official) package for rfswitch on ubuntu *and* debian - maybe a third party repository?
User16: seems you're right. they're getting the source.
User4: what is rfswitch
User16: linux-source-2.6.15 (2.6.15-23.39) changelog says it is added
User16: cbx33, it's a driver for handling software-key enabling fo rf devices
User16: devices without hardware enabling
User4: ah
User4: User16 howz it going
* TeePOG is back
User14: hi everyone
User14: User7 ping
User12: cbx33, seen mjg59's comment on -devel to my question ?
User4: no I'm not in there
User4: what was it?
User12: mjg59, there is a ipw2200 version you have to run with ndiswrapper ?
User12: <mjg59> User12 No
User4: argghhh !
User4: I know I'm right
User4: it doesn't work without it
User4: I promise ou
User4: you
User4: I shouldn't have to do any config right
User4: just turn it on and it works
User12: if its really a ipw it must
User4: well it doesn't it is a special case
User7: hi TeePOG ...
User4: User12 really it should just work shouldn't it
User4: i turn on the laptop and it works
User14: User7 got time for a quick pm?
User4: but it doesn't unless I modprobe ndiswrapper
User4: I spoke to someone in devel before
User4: this is dapper
User7: busy wrapping for a trip TeePOG ... send pm and I will tey to cehck it out before I have to leave
User2: where is our Beta download image? I wanna download :P
User12: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/
User2: hm, thanks
User3: Morning all
User2: hey sbalneav ;)
User3: Hello pygi
User2: wb cbx33 ;)
User5: hi cbx33
User4: hey LaserJock
User4: howz it going
User5: ok
User5: really tired this morning
User4: I'll bet
User5: not sure why ;-)
User5: my wife made be go to malonejulie@example.org the laptop :/
User4: hehehe
User4: mine does that too
User12: sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/lts.conf-params
User3: User12 Perfect!
User3: I've been working through them in the docs
User3: BTW, the X_MODE_0 stuff IS in there, or at least appears to be from ltsp-client-start
User12: i think thats all of them, i'll go over them again on the weekend to see if i missed anything
User12: no
User3: they show up as preseeds though?
User12: its not supported by our xserver-xorg
User3: Ah.
User12: neither is X_VIDEO_RAM
User12: that needs fixing in edgy+1
User3: OK, so the CODE's there, but it's ignored.
User12: worst case we'll just sed them
User3: OK, yeah, we'll need to fix it.
User12: yep
User3: Good to know!
User12: the ltsp code is there, but the xserver is not using the preseed value
User3: right.
User12: and from a discussion with the devteam, the VideoRam parameter shouldnt be supported, but rather be fixed in the driver
User3: Ah, so that it autodetects correctly in all cases?
User12: so the dirver picks the 16384 for certain via chipsts
User3: That would be the best, yes.
User12: (in that special case)
User12: yes, indeed it should do the autodetection right for all drivers :)
User3: Things are working well here with the beta.  I've been using it for two days malonejulie@example.org.
User12: cool
User12: i have a weird prob with my 150 (whicjh i like more since the graphics are more crisp)
User3: I've been checking ltspfs bugs failthfully every day, so far none.
User3: Oh? What's the problem?
User12: somehow it hangs itself unconditionally ...
User12: but not reproducable ...
User3: Hmmm
User12: sometimes after 1h sometimes after 3days
User3: nbd swap issue?
User9: aren't unreproducible hangs fun?
User12: it seems to have to do with sound
User3: Ahh.
User12: (at least i suspect that)
User3: esd == sucky
User12: might be the driver, might be esd ...
User12: well, it shouldnt hang the whole client
User3: if esd == sucky:
User3: replace_with = pulseaudio
User12: the ethernet port is somehow slightly loose ... so it ight also be a HW prob
User12: its hard to say if the machine hardlocks and you dont have logs :)
User3: Try bumping up the nbd swap from 32 to 64 meg, see if that helps.
User12: i ran it without swap at all already ... and it didnt happen more often or so
User12: so i dont think its mem related
User3: A head scratcher.  Did the magic sysrq key still work?
User12: nope
User3: Yikes!
User12: thats why i suspect the ethernet port
User3: Either that, or power supply's getting duffy.
User12: hmm, that coud be
User3: You got a voltmeter at home?
User12: could also be a heat problem ... i noticed it gets quite warm ... unlike the 170
User12: somewhere in a moving box ... need to dig
User3: I'd check and see if +5 and +12 are within spec.
User12: liekly in the garage
* ogra finally subscribed to lwn after reading it for years
User3: I've had a subscription for a couple of years now.
User3: That and digitalblasphemy.com
User12: sbalneav, looks like pulseaudio upstrem might be in mountainview ;)
User12: *upstream
User3: Oooh, perfect.
User12: hahaha
User12: i got a mail from squashfs upstream :)
User3: about?
User12: telling me that squashfs raises the ram requirements for the kernel and thus it cant be that we support 32M clients
User12: i wonder if he heard about modules in his life
User10: heh
User10: User12 how are you doing?
User11: hi highvoltage
User12: highvoltage, just peeking in for a minute here, having a coffe after i slept most of the afternoon
User10: hey juliux
User10: User12 ok. i'm still downloading beta 2. from what I read LTSP 5 is amazing. great job, I hope you have a good weekend
User12: the beta testing was quite exhaustive and we have craftsmen in the house that start very early in the morning (plumbing the heating for the solar heating)
User12: so i dont get much sleep atm
User10: :(
User10: I had some heavy sleap deprivation earlier this week too, it's not fun
User12: well, but a neat solar heating, its worth 2 weeks with less sleep
User12: and they were ultra quic with the roof
User10: oh that's good at least
User12: (actually they were done after two days)
User12: well, and i'm really proud about edubuntu finlly being at the point i set as my personal goal (no manual intervention needed at all)
User10: :)
User12: make sure  to have two NICs in the server to get the full benefit of it ;)
User10: we might have struc our first big commercail deal today
User12: yay
User10: we have a big .za real estate agency with more than a 100 office that just want to provide email and internet to all their agents
User10: so we're going to do an ubuntu + ltsp setup for them
User10: they are quite keen on the idea of ltsp
* ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuKnot3LTSPTesting | edgy beta: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/
User12: :)
User12: grab the default lts.conf from edubuntu for it ;)
User12: it switches on all the bells and whistles ;)
User10: Knot3LTSPTesting should probably be BetaLTSPTesting?
User10: ok :)
User12: yes,but i need to rename the wikipage first ...
User12: (to lazy to do that now ... i'll d it over the weekend)
User10: by the time implementation is at full speed Ubuntu will probably be at egdy+1 already.
User12: it also needs some corrections
User10: I'm amazed how fast ubuntu moves.
User10: ok, np. just thought I'd mention it :)
User12: well that were only 4 months for development
User12: but edubuntu had it most code additions this time
User12: i wonder if i start to get bored in Feisty
User10: heh
User12: (edgy+1)
User10: I'm sure someone with your skills and talent will never get bored
User10: there's plenty of problems to solve :)
User12: well, so much time ... and only polishing to do
User10: is it going to be a polish-only release?
User12: well, indeed there are some big projects ahead ...
User12: nope
User12: i plan to finally dig into ldap/kerberos
User12: that will be quite big
User10: that would be a great ++ though
User10: authentication is my personal #1 headache in our implementations
User12: then we'Re looking into microphone and volume control on the clients
User10: well, at least, if I want ot do it properly
User12: probably redoing the whiole sounds arch
User10: local apps on LTSP thin clients would also be great
User12: and CD writing ;)
User12: thats rather edgy+2  ... the auth stuff must work before
User10: ah, that's right
User6: did you guys have some release notes done up for the beta release?
User6: this is for a fridge story
User12: did you notice the howto on diskless workstations in the ltsp-server  docs ?
User10: LTSP is indeed a great technology. I'm glad ubuntu is giving it so much attention.
User10: no, I havven't
User10: is it in edgy?
User12: nixternal, sorry no ... only the ltsp bit in the ubuntu release notes ...
User6: ahh..ok thanks
User12: i can write something up on the weekend, are you fridge admin ?
User12: highvoltage, yep
User12: highvoltage, there is also a quemu script to test without client HW :)
User10: kewl :)
User12: ok, need t go ... else GF will rant ...
User2: heya all
User11: hi pygi
User8: Hi, all
User8: User7 still up and about?
User19: Hello was wondering if someone could tell me the boot option in edubuntu to disable the loading of pcmcia modules during boot
User19: I have tried NOPCMCIA=yes and have also tried pcmcia=off
User5: User19 you might have better luck in #ubuntu.
User19: thanks
User20: hello all
User5: hi
User20: was wondering if anyone was having a problem with symantic
User5: symantic?
User20: or if there was an alternative, it keeps locking me up
User20: package manager
User5: synaptic
User20: synaptic
User5: ok
User5: it just freezes your screen?
User20: I can run apt-get no problem
User20: yup
User20: on a vanilla box
User20: fresh install
User20: other stuff seems fine
User20: I thought at first it was the nVidia drivers, so I did a fresh install
User5: does it do it as soon as you start it up?
User20: not usually, when I select install
User20: either the update manager, or from the system>admin
User5: hmm
User5: User20 I'm not sure what's going on. I haven't heard of that. You might want to try #ubuntu as there are a lot more people there and it's a generic problem
User20: ok, thanks
User20: I will check later
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