User1: hello
User2: Hey anyone...I came across an article that talked about a gimp overlay called gimpshop. When I go to the website and select download it redirects to app.ubuntu.com...but it only shows gimp. Anyone know how to get the overlay to make gimp look more link photoshop?
User2: *like*
User3: Is it best to create shell scripts to be POSIX compliant and to avoid using things that might be specific to one shell or another (ie: bash)?  I was making a small script, teaching myself with the help of Google as I went...and at some point I found I had to change #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash or things didn't work.
User4: User3 if you want it to be properly portable across different operating systems/distributions then it's a good idea to only use POSIX specified constructs, otherwise it's easier just to use bash
User3: ok so bash isn't going anywhere any time soon?
User4: no, it's not going anywhere
User3: You're sure there's not some sort of purist thing out there that dictates that I'm not cool unless I can script in POSIX only terms?
User4: you only need to restrict yourself to POSIX if the only thing you know about the systems where the script will run is that they will be POSIX systems
User4: things like init scripts are an example
User3: Are the differences condierable?
User3: considerable**
User4: depends what you're doing, for most code it's not
User4: bash really just builds on and extends what POSIX specifies
User4: you can use the tool "checkbashisms" to verify if your script is POSIX or not
User3: well im sure what im trying to do is pretty basic stuff but i have to start small right
User3: oh that sounds helpful thank you
User3: cause right now if i change the interpreter it sort of just chokes for a second then dies and the window closes
User3: i made a script to ping a nearby PC, see if it's awake, wake it with wakeonlan if it isn't, then ping it until it's online, then connect with SSH
User3: is checkbashisms part of the devscripts package?
User3: no nvm
User4: yep, devscripts (though command-not-found should tell you that)
User3: yeah i did apt-cache seach and it came back with that
User3: in posix are variables defined specifically as integers, strings, etc?  The first problem seems to be a "if != 0" condition is being found true when it should not be
User4: variables are untyped
User3: ok
User3: wait i might have read somethign earlier about how you can't do somethign like this : PRESULT=$(ping -c 1 -W 1 $2 1>/dev/null)$?
User4: given x=0; [ $x = "0" ]; and [ $x -eq 0 ]; are both true
User4: you can't do that, but you can just do "ping ...; PRESULT=$?"
User4: or even if ping ...; then ...; else ...; fi
User3: ok that that makes snese I'll try that....I thought I started off tryign that but ran into some sort of trouble....using PRESULT=$? i mean
User3: yes i read somethign about that too...that if ping succeeds it evaluates to "true" basically
User4: 'if' tests the return value of the command given
User4: [ is actually a command too, it's an alias for "test"
User3: [ is?
User4: when you write if [ $x -eq 0 ]; then ...; fi
User3: oh i see
User3: so its not unlike any other command
User4: right
User3: they way i wrote this, i need to test the variable twice, but prefer to only ping and set the variable once
User3: so testing to command directly both times might not be best if i can jsut set a varibale with the stderr code once
User3: but I'm new...did I mention that?
User4: I think you did ;)
User3: ok im not new but i think after 15-20 years of trying to understand linux..im still scratchign the surcafe
User3: surface**
User5: hey all
User4: it's a large subject area
User5: i have my kubuntu task bar on top of the screen.. windering why maximized windows go under it, instead of fit... maximized http://i.imgur.com/lBrUUO7.png, manual fit http://i.imgur.com/cfY9niN.png
User5: any idea?
User5: settings http://i.imgur.com/SrtgxDw.png
User3: do you have dual monitors?
User3: ive noticed this using a vertical panel set between two monitors
User3: here's how mine looks http://imgur.com/vcPpJOn
User3: same issue i think
User3: but it only happens if there is a screen enabled to the left there, if im set to only one screen it fits around the panel correctly
User3: http://i.imgur.com/vcPpJOn.jpg
User6: anyone able to help on xmodmap issues
User3: User4 thank you for your help by the way.
User4: no problem
User7: Good morning
User8: How to install kubuntu
User9: 'Morning folks
User5: User9 morning ?.. :).. here its afternoon.. .. but hey too ;)
User9: noaXess, it's morning in Canada where I live
User5: User9 nice.. so next time we visit canada.. we can visit you  ;)
User9: you can try :)
User1: User5 its a bug with window decoration... there are a few bugs about this
User5: User1 aha... okey.. but that bug exists long time ago
User1: yup
User1: like most kde bugs
User9: yeah, i have no graphics problems with my nvidia gpu and kwin on my desktop pc ,but this laptop suffers when I enable desktop effects with OpenGL and raster settings
User9: so Xrender and native settings make it stable
User9: on 14.04
User10: what is  baloo file?
User9: jarkko__, baloo replaces nepomuk desktop search
User10: User9 how to disable?
User9: if it was enabled when you upgraded then it's difficult to disable. Maybe the ppl at #kubuntu-devel can advise how to disable, maybe kill in the cli
User11: User10 any problemswith baloo ?
User10: User11 i dont have a need for it
User11: ah ok, i see your entries on  #kubuntu-devel
User11: i had problems with it when is tarted to index large file si think :)
User11: processes take ~ 1,5gb ram and more
User11: but after it finished doing the job its almost invisible in system
User12: .
User13: OMG someone is making a Descent styled shooter for Linux!!! If you love linux, please help get this greenlight http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=111075014
User9: De5c3nt, please no spamming!
User14: xv f
User14: hay alguien
User15: !no
User16: Hvis du vil diskutere pÃ¥ Norsk, vennligst gÃ¥ til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
User14: como pongo el kde de siempre?
User17: !es
User16: En la mayorÃ­a de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sÃ³lo en inglÃ©s. Si busca ayuda en espaÃ±ol entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro.
User18: Looking in the System Settings > Audio Recording > Recording it appears that "internal Audio Analog Stereo is greyed out.  I'm trying to record audio from my sound card and haven't been able to. I'm thinking this is the reason.. Any ideas?
User19: User18 is that something new to KDE 4.13? Reason I ask is I have never seen a 'Audio Recording' in systemsettings...
User18: User19 not sure if it's new or not.. I haven't had a need to look at these settings or configuration panel in quite a while.  How do I verify which version of KDE I have?
User19: easy way is to just select the Help menu in any KDE app and select the About Kde menu selection at bottom
User18: Looks like I'm on 4.12.3
User19: same here
User7: User18 Download pavucontrol, it gives you more options.
User18: User7 been there done that.. it's the same.
User19: in System settings -> Multimedia -> Audio and Video Settings  first tab is Device Preferences
User18: User19 yep.. that's where Audio Recording > (choices.. Communicaiton: Recording: Control)  are located.
User19: if your 'Built-in Audio Analog'  is greyed out my first guess would be some kernel module support for your audio hardware is missing
User18: User19 it is greyed out however it does play.. it just isn't accessable by Audacity or Sound Recorder
User19: make a note of what audio hardware you have and use lsmod command to look for what kinf of snd_xxxxx modules may be in use
User18: If I get audio through the analogue speakers and my usb headset you'd think I could monitor that stream for recording.
User19: next thing I'd look at is the second tab 'audio hardware setup'
User19: see if it is defaulting to the HDMI in a video card
User18: Here's the output of lsmod http://paste.ubuntu.com/7132284/
User19: well most of my experience is with microphone as an input
User18: Looking at the Audio Hardware Setup tab I can choose "Built-in Audio" in the Hardware section and in the Device Configuration set Playback as analog output.. :(
User18: recording from a mic either on my usb headset or webcam mic is not a problem.. just a stream playing through the sound card
User19: ah - OK
User19: not sure on recording streams like that but I'm sure it's doable somehow via pulseaudio
User19: just no real experience here with that
User19: another idea is run CLI command alsamixer
User18: yea.. pavucontrol is pulaudio's control and I can change the options but... nothing.. even changing the built in audio output to the usb headset then recording from that or the monitor of that device doesn't work. Very strange..
User19: make sure some channel you need isn't muted or disabled
User18: yep
User19: that's the lowest level of audio, next layer up is pulseadio so I'm thinking you need some pulesaudio plugin
User18: I'll check the package manager..
User19: I don't know as much about these as I should, but there are padevchooser, paprefs, paman, and the like
User18: padevchooser isn't in my package manager (running 12.04).  paprefs & paman are.. I'll check my google-fu against those packages to see what's what.
User19: I'm thinking mixer, and have noted in the past kmix doesn't show what's not there, eg a slider control won't come into existance until the stream is actually present
User19: then when the stream is inactive/gone it goes away
User19: but two things strike me - the greyed out analog audio stuff is somehow not a right thing, and maybe the mixer doesn't see the streams until they are active
User19: if the mixer isn't seeeing them audacity probably won't either
User19: beyond that I'm out of ideas    :-)
User18: User19 thanks.. you are right in that the mixer doesn't see the streams until they are active.  I have been playing the continuous loop of Pharrell Williams Happy on youtube and "recording" to active the stream in all the relevant mixers (which it does).  I'm stumpped.. thanks for the help
User19: ugh - flash
User19: I see ALSA plugin [plugin container]; ALSA Playback but when I look at the Capture Streams tab in Kmix I see ' nothing is capturing audio'
User19: as a side-step in lieu of not being able to record a flash video you might consider youtube-dl
User19: I think it has an option in one of the command line switches to extract just the audio from flash
User19: been meaning to try that out
User20: Is there a solution to the Unable to connect to KDED under services
User21: User20 run kded4
User21: in a konsole
User21: what do you ger
User21: *get
User20: QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. kded(2900) Colorbd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5fconnectToDisplay: RandR extension missing  kded(2900) Colorbd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5fColorD: Failed to connect to DISPLAY and get the needed resources  Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0". Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing
User19: User20 try turning Color daemon off in system settings -> Startup and shutdown -> Services Manager  and see if that helps anything
User20: User19 that is where i get the error, when i try to get into there.
User22: hi all
User22: why don't I hear any sound output from my system?
User22: on Kubuntu 14.04
User22: make our ship go?
User19: User20 try ps ax |grep /usr/lib/colord/colord and if it returns kill that process, then try to disable in systemsettings and restart KDE if disable succeeds
User20: got it. it was the xinerama for nvidia
User20: quit
User23: Hi! Does anybody solved the issue with system monitor displaying closed processes? Pretty annoyed with that
User23: /msg NickServ identify ckwell
User23: hmmm
User15: Changed your password I hope?
User21: ^^
User23: :)) for sure)
User24: Anyone else having plasma segfault in 14.04?
User24: Hmmm... the culprit appears to be the worldclock plasmoid. I have however used it for several weeks without any issues....
User24: Yup, that did the trick! However, i don;t know how to uninstall plasmoids, so i went to /usr/lib/kde4/ and renamed the lib that provides the plasmoid.
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