User1: hello everyone
User1: what's the topic today?
User1: :)
User2: preinstalled desktop question: if I wanted to ship a custom Ubuntu which had compositing enabled in metacity by default how would I fix it so this happens? Is there a flag I can tweak which overrides the one created for each user and where is it kept (I am sure some gconf template somewhere but the location is a mystery to me). I have the same question about window border icons (border_layout) - this is for an installation of multiple desktops with mul
User2: tiple networked users where everyone seems to get the same OS defaults from the themes etc. and I need to override them without building all new packages
User2: same for desktop backgrounds etc... we're thinking university logo kind of stuff
User3: You'd be looking for gconf schemas (for now)
 * desrt does the gconf is dying dance
User2: /usr/share/gconf/schemas ?
User2: this is every default in the system?
User4: User2 it's actually sort of complicated
User4: the schemas need to be installed into /etc as well
User3: I'm not actually 100% sure how the schema is calculated; we use dh_gconf to make it magically happen.
User2: but they both need to match?
User4: see /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/
User4: i have no idea, to be honest
User4: i just know that it's quite complicated
User2: the only option I can see right now is to have it done in ~/.bashrc or something and gconf the settings in
User2: but that means making an awesome amount of semi-manual changes on a network
User2: this university has 4000 students..
User2: not to mention we want to rig it so we can ship systems outside of the university with the same configuration
User3: So, I'd check out what we do in a package like ubuntu-netbook-default-settings, which ships gconf defaults.
User2: okay
 * desrt wonders if dconf defaults are used at all yet
User4: apparently not
User2: doesn't dconf depend on gconf? :D
User2: okay ubuntu-netbook-default-settings uses update-gconf-defaults which is very confusingly run
User2: there are two lists in the package but they're not installed.. ever.. and somehow two sets of defaults are picked up from an installed location
User2: my god this is freakish. did I recall someone at GNOME saying that Windows sucks because of the registry? :D
User2: oh! I get it
User2: it relies on package install order though. if something updates these settings and it picks up my mandatory and defaults THEN the new package ones, mine will be overwritten anyway
User2: okay, I give up. thanks anyway guys :)
User2: can tell my boss he gets what he gets now and there's not a fun way around it
User5: Good morning
User5: User6 hm, I don't see the new simple-scan in unapproved
User6: pitti, oh, odd...
User7: good morning
User6: pitti, ok, it's uploaded now
User5: bonjour didrocks
User5: User6 ah, thanks; will process it soon
User7: Guten Morgen pitti
User7: how are you?
User5: I'm great, thanks! how are you?
User7: I'm fine, thanks :) trying to keep reasonable work hours this week and rest a little!
User8: good morning seif_
User9: hi mvo
User9: :)
User8: :)
User9: waaaaaaaaaaah need more sleep but gf keeps taking the blanket away
User8: hehe
User10: lol
User9: so its off t onag on some zeitgeist devs
User9: mvo, does python release memory
User9: ?
User8: yes, its supposed timothyroach@example.org. you can force it with the python "gc" module, but it will do it periodically itself too
User9: we just noticed increase of memory in zeitgeist
User9: i mean usually we operate around 5 - 10 MB
User9: but in some cases we get t ogo over 30
User9: but never really to 40
User9: and its stil ltoo much
User9: we want to release memory
User9: :P
User9: mvo, can you please list features you tink zeitgeist can help S-C with
User9: i wanna get a call for devs article out
User8: I think a client/server "other people use" is useful
User8: like "other people use gimp that work a lot with image/png"
User9: mvo, yeah but that is too complex and i think I would like to take a better stab at it first
User9: other ideas
User8: yeah, that is true, I don't have a good idea for a low hanging fruit currently
User9: :)
User9: mvo, maybe pushing installed/uninstalled and updated events into zeitgeist from s-c
User9: another would be replacing the history in s-c
User9: another one would be listing you most used apps and the apps you never used
User9: it would help the janitor to do better work
User8: hm, that is a interessting idea
User8: the janitor
User8: if the history goes into zeitgeist I think we need to consider way of doing interessting stuff with it
User9: mvo, it will be good for us too
User9: i was gonne write an apt logger
User9: but i think logging throug hs-c is easier
User9: it will allow me to give oyu a complete history about when shit was installed
User9: and used
User8: the canonical source is /var/log/apt/history.log*
User9: mvo, another question
User9: ok scratc hthe question
User11: good morning everyone
User12: hey chrisccoulson
User12: how are you?
User11: i'm good thanks seb128, how are you?
User11: oh, it looks like the g-s-d fix works for people :)
User12: I'm fine thanks
User12: great work!
User11: i just need somebody to verify bug 658777 now :)
User13: Launchpad bug 658777 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Invalid reads in keyboard plugin (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658777
User7: good morning chrisccoulson, seb128
User12: hey didrocks
User12: chrisccoulson, I can do that today
User11: hi didrocks, how are you?
User11: seb128 - cool, thanks!
User7: User11 I'm fine thanks, you?
User7: after the g-s-d fix, I guess you feel good :)
User11: heh :-)
User11: i need to figure out why my firefox builds are hanging now :/
User7: User12 can you please enable the messaging menu turning green when you receive emails in your inbox for a while? I want to ensure it's amd64 only (all reports are on amd64 and only one claims to be on i386)
User7: and I still have no issue there on i386
User12: "in your inbox"?
User12: it's turning green when receiving messages on my imap servers
User12: but  not in my local inbox
User12: the one which I use the get emails from a pop server
User12: on i386
User7: User12 yeah, sorry I call that "inbox" as the main folder is named "Inbox" on both my IMAP servers
User7: User12 ok, thanks, there are too many reports for people on amd64 to be every people misleading with the local inbox
User12: is it working for you?
User7: 10:57:54      didrocks | and I still have no issue there on i386
User12: oh I though you were on amd64
User7: no :/
User7: I'm old school apparently :-)
User12: there must be people on amd64 there
User12: chrisccoulson, pitti, mvo?
User11: i'm on amd64
User12: do you use evo?
User7: I think he's using thunderbird :)
User11: i'm not actually ;)
User11: (not for work anyway)
User12: is anybody on amd64 with an evo imap account working? ;-)
User8: User12 I have one
User12: mvo, could you check if the indicator is turning green when you receive emails in your imap inbox?
User12: you need evolution to not be focussed
User12: like configure the account to check for emails every few minutes and wait
User12: you should get a notification and the indicator turn green
User12: I can send you an email if that helps testing ;-)
User8: User12 I don't use evo
User12: you also need to make sure you checked the indicator options in the preferences
User12: mvo, hum
User12: is anybody on amd64 with an evo imap account working? ;-)
User12: <mvo> User12 I have one
User8: *cough* sorry, I only read up to amd64
User8: lalalala
User12: lol, no worry
User8: I did test it the other day with empathy and that worked
User12: dear pitti, make the workitem tracker email only once a day, thanks
User12: mvo, well didrocks things the evolution-indicator is buggy on amd64
User7: yeah, people reports that empathy is working, but not evo-indicator
User7: and there are too many people complaining/reporting dupe on amd64 to be only misusageâ¦
User12: weird, I didn't see any bug about that on evo
User11: seb128 - i get the indicator turn green, but only for messages which don't get filtered in to another folder
User12: chrisccoulson, right, it's supposed to be Inbox only
User12: chrisccoulson, that's on amd64?
User7: User12 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-messages/+bug/657837
User13: Launchpad bug 657837 in indicator-messages "Broken message indicator with Evolution (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 32)" [High,Triaged]
User7: and dups
User12: chrisccoulson, thanks
User12: chrisccoulson, btw I confirmed the g-s-d valgrind bugfix
User11: seb128 - excellent, thanks
User12: didrocks, 2 affected users and 2 duplicates with no details, I don't think it's significant
User7: User12 really? because on one dup, I almost ensured that the person had the good option and the right workflow
User7: User12 but you're more experienced than I in judging the amount of comment needed for becoming a relevant bug, so I trust you and turn on another thing :)
User5: User12 I'm on amd64, yes
User5: User12 my messaging indicator turns green when I receive a jabber message, yes; isn't it supposed to?
User12: pitti, but you don't use evo for emails?
User12: pitti, didrocks thinks evolution-indicator is buggy on amd64
User5: User12 well, evo shows my mails (local maildir)
User5: User12 but I don't get email notifications in the msg indicator
User12: we have several issues there
User12: it's not working for non imap accounts there either
User12: ie I've a pop account which loads emails in a local inbox
User12: that one doesn't work on i386 either
User5: right, I don't have an imap account in evo
User5: I use offlineimap, and then mutt/evo locally on the Maildir
User12: pitti, ok, no worry, gord is helping testing now
User14: User7 can we get the banshee switch done right away, or is it a post-UDS thing?
User7: User14 it's a post-UDS I would say, as natty is not opened and I won't have time before UDS I guess
User14: ok
User15: how can I see the maverick-proposed queue? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick-proposed/+queue is a 404
User12: nessita, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
User12: nessita, see the pocket column there
User15: right!
User15: User12 so, what needs to happen for a package leave the unapproved queue?
User12: nessita, review from somebody in ubuntu-sru
User12: they review the queue regularly, it should take less than a week
User12: if you are in an hurry you can try to be nice to pitti
User12: (he's one of those reviewing sru uploads)
User15: User12 not in a hurry, no. I'll keep my play-nice card for when I really need it ;-)
User15: User12 thanks!
User12: you're welcome
User12: bah, how did you want to review blueprints in launchpad
User12: there is no way the sort or query on titles
User11: right, i'm going to get some lunch
User11: before people complain at me for taking over the buildd's
User12: kenvandine, hey
User12: kenvandine, did you register any blueprint yet?
User16: hey seb128
User12: I can find any from you
User16: not yet
User12: can't
User16: working on it :)
User12: ok
User16: their in tomboy atm :)
User16: good morning rickspencer3
User12: hey rickspencer3
User17: good morning kenvandine and seb128
User16: recovered yet?
User17: well, I stayed in bed until 6am, so that's a good sign
User18: what happened to rickspencer1 and rickspencer2 and the first 127 sebs!?
User16: :)
User17: highvoltage, well, I guess the seb's required more iterations to reach perfection ;)
User12: but once they do they are better ;-)
 * seb128 runs
User18: heh
User12: chrisccoulson, do you think you could review the merge proposal on bug #623700?
User13: Launchpad bug 623700 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Edge condition in idle monitor (affects: 1) (heat: 86)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623700
User11: seb128 - yeah, sure
User12: thanks
User12: I've trying to clean https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+activereviews
User11: oh, i didn't even know that page existed!
User11: oh, excellent - https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+activereviews :)
User11: i guess i should review those too ;)
User17: seb128, kenvandine, chrisccoulson are you guys good for getting blueprints ready?
User16: working on it
User11: rickspencer3, i had my main ones registered for some time now ;)
User12: rickspencer3, I've just reviewed the list for most team people, we miss those from kenvandine mterry bryceh robert_ancell tremulox
User12: rickspencer3, I've accepted the ones from chrisccoulson's yesterday and didrocks' just before
User17: seb128, ok
User7: thanks seb128 :)
User17: I'll have a few for Application Developers track
User12: rickspencer3, I will only have one for gnome3, still working on it
User19: Ah yes...  I think I'll carry over the quickly one from Maverick at least, lots didn't get done
User17: hey didrocks
User7: hey rickspencer3
User20: seb128, seen mine?
User17: seb128, mterry, didrocks, chrisccoulson, kenvandine, pitti, there is a very good chance that the new Engineering Manager, Desktop will start on Monday!
User12: cyphermox, yes, I just wanted to check with dx for the indicator one before accepting it
User19: oh, nice
User20: okie dokie
User16: oh, cool
User12: rickspencer3, great ;-)
User5: User17 \o/
User5: User17 right on time for the sprint?
User16: rickspencer3, i bet you are thrilled :)
User20: rickspencer3, cool :)
User5: User17 (does that ring a bell? :-) )
User12: mterry, maybe check with rickspencer3 what he has in mind for the appdeveloper track
User12: rickspencer3, ^ can you update mterry on what you have on your list?
User7: User17 nice!
User17: pitti, yup, he's even coming to the Dx sprint!
User17: tbh, I am happy, but a bit sad too
 * rickspencer3 sinff
User11: excellent :)
 * seb128 hugs rickspencer3
 * didrocks hugs rickspencer3 as well
User12: rickspencer3, I hope you will stay with us on the channel ;-)
 * chrisccoulson hugs rickspencer3 too
 * rickspencer3 hugs back
User17: I will probably autojoin this channel forever!
User17: sorry guys
User11: yeah, everyone knows this is the coolest channel to hang out ;)
User17: :)
User16: hehe
User16: :)
User17: I think Jason is a really good person,though
User17: next step is for you guys to train him up as you trained me up ;)
User5: I'll bring my brain transplant gear
User21: hey, how do we make appmenu applet ignore a specific application? like it ignores shotwell?
User21: lyx is broken so i would like to work around it
User11: topyli, that's probably a question for #ayatana - but, i think it's hardcoded in the indicator
User17: pitti, can you make some time on Monday to have a call with Jason?
User17: seb128, you too?
User11: topyli, i might be wrong though. tedg would know
User21: User11 thanks
User11: yw
User12: rickspencer3, when will he be travelling to the sprint?
User5: User17 sure
User21: well we have hilighted tedg, so let's see :)
User12: rickspencer3, but yeah, I guess so
User17: seb128, I asked him to travel on Wednesday, and start on Thursday
User17: thinking that would give him Mon/Tues to bootstrap his office, fill in paper work, etc...
User22: topyli, Do you want to not show stubs or not have the menus exported?
User16: tedg, menus
User12: rickspencer3, ok
User17: and then you and I can have a beer with him on Wednesday
User16: topyli, UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= lyx
User16: from a terminal
User17: his first job will be to help the desktop get through UDS
User17: (sound familiar?)
User22: kenvandine, I think Lyx is Qt, right topyli?
User16: no clue
User17: seb128, pitti, I told him that if the right thing to do is to fetch coffee for the desktop team, he should fetch coffe ;)
User17: whatever it takes to help you guys have a great UDS
User11: coffee sounds great!
User11: :)
User12: waouh
User12: indeed!
User12: coffee and snacks ;-)
User12: rickspencer3, did you see robert_ancell this week?
User12: is he back?
User5: User12 I did
User5: yes, he's back
User17: seb128, I looked for him yesterday, but didn't see him
User12: hum, ok
User5: and he said he had a great time
User12: I wrote him an email yesterday but he didn't reply
User17: but I logged off early
User5: he fixed two simple-scan bugs in maverick-proposed
User12: can you tell him to register his blueprints?
User17: of course, he's married now, so I supposed we won't see him around as much now ;)
User21: User22 sorry, phone. yes it's qt. i would just like to have the menu somewhere. the application window is fine
User12: if you see him tomorrow
 * rickspencer3 retracts joke
User12: lol
 * rickspencer3 finds no undo in logged irc channel
User16: haha
 * rickspencer3 opens log files
User12: well I supposed we will just see him as much
User12: he has always been closing IRC after business hours
User21: User22 so i guess let's not export the menu, like with shotwell
User16: i talked to him sunday night
User12: even if he still do hacking on his own projects then ;-)
User22: topyli, Asking agateau in #ayatana
User21: thanks
User17: seb128, so if there were maverick blueprints that we didn't get to, but we want to discuss again in Natty ...
User17: should we just retitle them to the Natty titling scheme, and retarget?
User12: yes
User12: hum
 * seb128 reverts python-apt deprecation cleaning in versions
User12: the p.u.c box is still on hardy
User12: hey bzr wizards, what is the easier way to revert a commit in bzr as a new commit?
User12: bzr diff -c rev | patch -p0 -R
User12: or is there a cleaner way?
User23: seb128, if you bzr revert, you have to do a new commit to save the changes, the revert is a type of commit really
User12: can I bzr revert a random revision?
User23: ah, not sure about that
User12: I will just use the diff | patch line
User12: that works fine ;-)
User21: i guess so!
User12: you can if that's the question
User21: woops, channel selection failure. sorry
User7: User12 bzr merge -r 65..64 for instance
User12: didrocks, does that note somewhere that it's a commit revert?
User12: or that just does the same as my command did?
User7: User12 if I remember correctly, nothing visible in the history
User12: ok thanks
User24: morning folks.
User24: looking for some help with setting up a udev rule in ubuntu 10.04
User24: i have 2 serial devices connected to the same serial port.
User24: any suggestions on where i can start
User25: !support | PennStateJoe74
User13: User24 The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
User26: anyone know how to edit string values in dconf-editor?
User25: User26 I only know gconf-editor
User26: yeah, i can't seem to edit the values with dconf-editor that are strings...
User27: User12 bug 631395 seems ugly :-(
User13: Launchpad bug 631395 in evolution-exchange (Ubuntu) "When upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10, exchange mail accounts no longer work in Evolution. When clicking the account, the folder structure won't expand and the account does not send or receive e-mail (although) it does appear in the send/receive dialog box. (affects: 40) (dups: 2) (heat: 234)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631395
User12: didrocks, ^
User12: hggdh, it's not like evolution-exchange was actively maintained though
User7: yeah, I just upgraded evo-exchange as I could, but I have no setup to test it
User27: User12 I understand... mcrha just pinged me on something similar on b.g.o -- gnome bug 630444
User13: Gnome bug 630444 in BugBuddyBugs "Exchange - cannot open account" [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630444
User26: desrt, are you an author of dconf-editor?
User27: User7 we may need to add --with-ek2-debug in the e-exchange debian/rules
User7: User27 something this adds some logs that we can upload with apport or is it an environment variable that should be added to get the debug then?
User12: didrocks, User27 random guess would be that it's due to -Bsymbolic-function
User27: User7 we have to configure e-e with it or no debug logs will be generated on e-e (add it to DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS)
User12: try building without that
User27: User7 *then* we can set it with an environment variable
User7: User12 how do you see that from the trace?
User12: didrocks, not from the trace, just reading the bugzilla from hggdh
User7: User27 understood, but my question was rather "which" environment variable is needed then :)
User12: "> (evolution:9159): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot register existing type
User12: > `ExchangeAccount'
User12: The above is the issue"
User12: "cannot register existing type"
User12: is typically the issues we had with -Bsymbolic-function
User12: you had that error on cheese last cycle
User7: right
User7: I can upload a version in a ppa for people to test
User7: and adding the debug flag as well
User12: would be great, thanks
User4: User26 no
 * didrocks calls it his evolution day :)
User4: User26 robert ancell is
User27: User7 you set an env like in http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/bugs.shtml
User7: User27 oh ok, just the E2K_DEBUG ones, thanks
User28: didrocks, i was told about calendars in evolution-mapi being borked as well
User4: what did -Bsymbolic-functions break now?
User7: User28 same, I can't test :)
User26: desrt, ah ok thanks
User28: I was in the process of trying to update patches for 2.32.0 on spare cycles...
User7: User4 evolution-exchange
User7: User28 we are using 2.30
User28: yeah
User28: I wanted to try if 2.32 worked better
User4: evolution's fault?
User7: User28 please, don't upgrade, we already have issues having different version from evolution
User28: ok
User12: ?
User12: didrocks, we should upgrade to 2.32 this cycle
User12: no reason to stop people doing the update if they want
User7: User12 I think cyphermox_ is talking about upgrading evo-mapi to maverick as the calendar is broken
User28: didrocks, not quite
User28: evo-mapi and evo need to follow no?
User12: right
User27: the whole shebang, or nothing
User28: so I was deep in evo itself, making sure the patches applied to 2.32.0
User7: right, that was why I told you it's not the way to fix the calendar being broken :)
User7: User28 talk to jelmer as well, he's coordinating this with debian
User28: so I would then put evo + evo-mapi in a PPA to play with
User28: didrocks, cool
User7: (and all the samba4 stack)
User28: I'm mostly still doing laptop testing for now though
User7: I'll upgrade evo to 2.32 once the SRU round will be finished
User28: crazy idea: are there daily builds? ;)
User7: I don't think so :)
User16: sigh... running gwibber-service in valgrind seems to slow it down enough that i can't reproduce the libproxy crash...
User11: kenvandine, there you go. you've fixed it then ;)
User11: always run it in valgrind
User11: :-)
User16: :)
User16: note to self: never run anything python in valgrind, the results are scary
User29: heh
User16: tedg, pretend you didn't see me say that
 * tedg isn't good at pretending :)
User27: User7 would you like a bug for the --enable-e2k-debug?
User7: User27 if possible, that would be great :)
User4: User16 the mapping between python and C is pretty interesting
User7: thanks
User4: User16 in a very real sense, python is a scripting language for C
User16: yeah, with what looks like lots of memory leaks
 * kenvandine hugs python
User4: :)
User4: the leaks are lies!
User27: User7 bug 660034 opened
User13: Launchpad bug 660034 in evolution-exchange (Ubuntu) "Evolution-exchange should be built with --enable-e2k-debug (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660034
User7: User27 thanks, I'll see if we can get it in the SRU as well (as basically it's completly broken today)
User27: User7 great! mcrha had asked me to build a PPA for a gnome bug on that, and I forgot to ping you folks about it. Frankly, I see no reason not to have it in
User7: User27 agreed, not sure why the flag isn't the default, btw?
User27: User7 this is a new(ish) flag. Even mcrha got hit by it ;-)
User7: oh, it will be by default then?
User27: hum
User27: well, upstream does not really care about which flags one uses. For us, it should be on by default, since otherwise we will never get the debug traces
User12: why did they add a flag for it?
User12: it seems to not make sense if it's activated by a variable anyway
User12: or it has a speed cost at runtime?
User27: I do not know yet... I was going to backtrace on GIT to find the change, but did not have time
User27: well, _now_ I have time, so I will look for it
User30: User31 nice pic mirco! :)
User31: Cimi, I'm so hooked on Ducs :)
User12: could somebody on amd64 try to build the gtk on https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds
User12: the gtk+3.0 source
User31: jcastro, you're wrong :)
User12: the ppa builders don't manage to build it it seems
User12: they seem to keep building or something
User12: the i386 build is fine though
User32: User31 :)
User20: seb128, I'll try it
User12: User20 thanks
User20: just need to update pbuilder first :)
User12: ricotz, hi
User12: tremolux, hi, don't forget to register your blueprints
User5: good night everyone
User12: 'night pitti
User7: have a good evening pitti
User33: User12 will do  :)
User30: User12 http://twitpic.com/2xb61d :-)
User20: seb128, gtk seems okay so far, though not done yet
User12: Cimi, nice!
User12: Cimi, I will try to get the git version in the ppa tomorrow
User12: User20 ok, it doesn't fail to build on the ppa builder, it just go on for hours not sure why
User30: User12 I'd like to try by myself :)
User30: gtk3-engines-murrine :)
User12: Cimi, ok, great
User12: Cimi, I can review your work when you think it's ready
User12: just ping me when you have it in a vcs
User30: User12 you mean the packaging stuff?
User12: Cimi, what do you want to try yourself?
User30: User12 yeah, if possible
User30: User12 I'm sure I will make something not perfect
User30: but it might be useful to know how to package well
User12: right
User30: User12 I have a branch in git
User30: with the source code
User12: so what I suggested is that you do and ping me for review
User30: do I need to import that branch in bzr?
User12: so I can tell you what you did wrong
User30: ok cool!
User12: Cimi, git or bzr is your choice
User12: we will have the official ubuntu packaging in bzr when we upload to ubuntu
User12: but you work in git if you want
User20: seb128, gtk just finished, no issues
User12: User20 ok thanks
User12: so it's a builder issue, great
User30: User12 ping :)
User12: Cimi, yes
User30: just wondering
User30: debian will be able to ship both murrine 0.98.1 and the gtk3 version
User30: what will happen with other distro?
User30: because 3.0 is not retro compatible
User12: Cimi, what do you mean?
User12: Cimi, the gtk2 and gtk3 version will not conflicts
User12: they will have different names for source and binaries and different locations on disk
User12: should be the same for all distros
User30: but that's up to distro packagers, right?
User12: yes
User30: ok
User30: just wondering ;)
User30: User12 how do I name/get the source file, as there's no snapshot?
User12: Cimi, what I usually do is to make dist a git snapshot
User30: using get-orig-source or
User30: ok
User30: and how to name it?
User30: 0.98.? or adding daate?
User30: User12 ^^
User12: Cimi, 0.98.1+<date>
User12: or 91.69.162.6 rather which is the current tarball
User12: date or git revision id
User12: just <current-tarball>+<something making sense>
User12: 91.69.162.6+git20101013
User12: or similar
User30: ok
User30: thanks
User20: in NM I use <last tagged release>+git.<date>.<short commit hash>
User12: " just <current-tarball>+<something making sense>"
User12: I think is the summary
User20: yep
User12: then people use the date, or commit id or whatever
User12: I usually don't bother with the commit since I don't do several snapshots a day
User12: but I'm sure some people do ;-)
User30: User12 but are you going to change the lib version as well, or just name the package
User12: what lib?
User30: i mean
User30: in configure.ac :)
User30: versioning of the software itself
User30: not just the name of the package
User12: I usually don't bother
User12: I make dist from git
User30: ok
User12: then rename the tarball
User12: and the unpackaged directory
User30: cool
User34: n
User20: seb128, isn't there a debhelper script to do this?
User12: dpkg-buildpackage will handle it just fine
User34: hello
User12: User20 there might, tell Cimi if there is one ;-)
User20: pedro_, hey :)
User12: I just do it the old way
User12: pedro_, hey, how are you?
User20: seb128, I can't remember, but checking my debian packages now :)
User34: hello seb128 cyphermox
User34: seb128, i'm good, thanks. what about you?
User34: congrats on the release btw folks!
User34: i wasn't around yesterday
User12: pedro_, I'm fine thanks
User12: pedro_, we missed you during the meeting, had to be a short meeting, no status updates, not bugs summary :p
User7: hey pedro_ :)
User34: :-P
User12: ok, dinner time
User12: bbl
User34: salut didrocks!
User34: enjoy seb128
User30: User12 shall I leave bzr-vcs and current maintainer?
User30: I'm using the deb dir from gtk2-engines-murrine
User20: User30 maintainer you probably want to have updated ( update-maintainer will do this for you ), and bzr-vcs if it's the "master" branch e.g. lp:~ubuntu-desktop/.... then I think you'd want to leave it as is
User20: I may well be wrong though since I don't really know what you're doing ;)
User22: Anyone know of a project that's done the gdbus port?
User22: Looking for an example.
User30: what about the watch file from a local snapshot from git?
User20: Cimi, if it's a snapshot you probably don't want anything in there, but you could leave it as is if it already has the links/regex for previous released tarballs
User30: ok
User30: many thanks
User20: e.g. if it already has the ftp.gnome.org regex and you're packing something from git.gnome.org, then leave it in.. that way the next release can be picked up by uscan
User30: User12 ok, package done
User30: User12 tell me later how can I share it with you :)
User12: Cimi, don't bother with those yes
User12: tedg, grep g_dbus /usr/bin/*
User12: tedg, eog, evince, nautilus
User22: seb128, Cool, never thought of using grep like that :)
User12: tedg, ;-)
User12: rickspencer3, still there?
User22: seb128, Hmm, seems that grep picks up egg_dbus as well. :)
User12: tedg, take nautilus
User22: Evince is better because it exports objects as well.
User22: But it seems that there is no tool.  Real shame.
User12: talk to davidz ;-)
User22: Yeah.
User12: rickspencer3, do you know if http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_UP-SE-RS1/ is an open position still?
User12: rickspencer3, or is that one which got filled recently? pochu was wondering
User20: kenvandine, just tested w/ the NM version in maverick, and I see the same thing as you do re: states when suspending. With the pm-utils script enabled and disabled. Then I tested with the daily build with the pm-utils script disabled and I can't see the extra state change to NM_STATE_CONNECTED
User16: cyphermox, ok, good
User16: :)
User20: so this will make it in natty :)
User16: which is where i need it, great :)
User16: thx
User17: pochu, that position is still open
User17: I am still seeking the "perfect" person ;0
User35: User17 I'll take my chance then :)
User17: :)
 * kenvandine is preparing an SRU for gwibber to get rid of the nasty libproxy crash!
User17: robert_ancell, welcomeback
User30: how long does take an uploaded package in a ppa to be shown in the ppa?
User30: I meant shown, not built
User36: User30 usually about 5 minutes, but LP is undergoing maintenance for the next 2 hrs
User30: ok
User30: https://launchpad.net/~cimi/+archive/theming
User6: rickspencer3, hi!
User17: robert_ancell, I presume your time away was richly rewarding?
User6: rickspencer3, absolutely
User17: robert_ancell, so, it looks like we may have a new Engineer Manager, Desktop
User17: and ...
User17: he will be living ...
User17: in ...
User17: wait for it ...
User17: .au starting in November
User17: !
User17: so, you'll have to take good care of him, as he will be be both joining the destkop team and moving to .au in the same like 2 month period of time
User6: rickspencer3, awesome, local manager!
User6: which city?
User17: robert_ancell, he's American, but his wife got a job in Australia
User17: don't know where he'll be living, but I think it's rather rural
User37: hi guys. is the ubuntu mobile (MID) now completely dead? I'd like to load the interface for my HTPC
User37: !HTPC
User13: Factoid 'HTPC' not found
User3: User17 Good morning!
User37: User3 howdy
User3: Lost the jetlag, I trust?
 * RAOF grumbles indistinctly about launchpad maintenance.
User29: heh, it was *unexpected*.. and then I've recalled reading an email ;)
User38: User3 it's fun to get OOPS messages instead of a downtime warning
User17: hi RAOF
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