User1: Tools only let you get data if your opponent is dumber than you.  An informed opponent can not be beaten by technology.
User2: true, thats why informed people shred the hard drive.
User3: User2 maybe your coworkers use the word 'shred' to refer to what we were by the term, not physically shreding.
User2: Funny thing is, part of SOX compliance is that all companies that are publically traded, must store all hard drivers for 10 years in case the feds need them.
User2: When I say shred, I mean phjysically shred.
User2: Data recovery is sticky, especially when you mess with HIPPA and SOX, good times.. glad I dont do that shyt personally.
User2: but as for my drives, because of financial data, I physically run them thrugh a hard drive shredder. they are cheap enough to just buy new ones.
User2: If a drive dies, its shredded physcially. end of story. Not even the NSA can get that data.
User1: Maybe it's all a scam by the hard drive makers :P
User2: doubtful
User2: There's many court cases which involve forensics (computer) in some way.
User3: cite one that recovered overwritten data on a drive made in the last decade
User1: What kermit said.
User4: of just simple temporary files or things that could be recovered with even PhotoRec
User1: I know the stuff in the court cases - that's what I study.  But it's nothing like what you're saying.
User4: for the criminals that don't know crap about technology.
User3: heh to recover NON overwritten data, i've uset 'strings' and 'grep' on the dev
User1: Hell, I've used photorec just to recover from a misplaced rm command.
User2: most dont know, true.
User3: uset/used
User2: yerah
User2: Do a 35-pass of 1 and 0, that will keep most people out.
User2: *most*
User2: Just like a WEP key would keep most people out.
User2: for wifi
User2: most people are technologically idiotic
User2: They know nothing.
User3: User4 about your original question regarding the shred command, in theory some filesystems might write to different physical locations than the original data, for either wear leveling or speed, and i suspect shred doesnt take that into account.
User2: but that doesnt tive carte blache for not beding secure on your part
User3: User4 the xfs devs tell me theirs does not.
User4: ahh; it's on EXT4 by the way
User2: just stay out of the gunsights of the feds and youll all be ok.
User2: peace
User1: The shred man page says quite explicitly that it's intended for use on entire devices.
User3: i bet all this time he's been handing a drive off to some department for "shredding" not realizing what they meant by the word
User4: Most likely
User1: aww, big bad scary guvvmint man ran away.  Guess we'll have to go find some other conspiracy theory to talk about for a while.
User1: nah, a lot of government agencies actually do shred them - what better way to waste taxpayer money and make it sound legit?  If people knew it was unnecessary they'd get mad, so clearly that can't happen.
User4: I just had a simpler idea for the basic cryptology.
User4: Or tunnelling for that matter
User4: I'll just install an HTTPS/HTTP proxy on my web server.
User4: of which would force HTTPS
User4: and would gzip the content
User4: Just a simple PHP script is all it would need to be, even
User4: Gah, the US Pirate Party has an IRC server with the worst availability
User3: worse than undernet?
User3: php script for what?
User4: It would be like a typical anonymizer, but would force you to connect via HTTPS, would require you to authenticate in order to use it, and would compress any of the proxied content.
User4: It would be exactly all I need
User4: I could probably even write it myself, or modify a pre-existing one to do what I want.
User4: because I don't need to tunnel some instant messaging or anything like that; all I need is HTTP
User3: i dont see what all that has to do with php though
User3: that sounds like just some config options in a proxy server
User4: I'd just plop a PHP file on my webserver
User4: rather than having to install some daemon or anything extensive
User3: i dont know php but it sounds harder than just running a proxy server
User4: How do you select a character in a specific range using regular expressions? Such as from 0x0590 to 0x05FF
User4: Oh fun, grub-setup segfaulted! :D
User4: When you dual-boot with a Windows OS, and use GRUB, does the installer mark all partitions except the Ubuntu partition as bootable?
User1: Someone tell Takyoji later that it's [\x0590-\x05FF]
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