User1: @schedule us/pacific
User2: Schedule for US/Pacific: 13 Apr 07:00: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 14:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 07:00: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 13:00: Dapper Development Status | 26 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu
User1: @topic
* ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 13 Apr 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 21:00 UTC: Community Council | 19 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 20:00 UTC: Technical Board
User1: @schedule us/pacific
User2: Schedule for US/Pacific: 13 Apr 07:00: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 14:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 06:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 13:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 13:00: Technical Board
User3: @schedule Israel
User2: Schedule for Israel: 13 Apr 17:00: Dapper Development Status | 19 Apr 00:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 15:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 16:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 23:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 23:00: Technical Board
* ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Dapper Development Status | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 18 Apr 21:00 UTC: Community Council | 19 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 20:00 UTC: Technical Board
User4: everyone here?
User5: heya
User6: Kinnison called me to say that he may not make it due to networking problems
User6: (here, obviously)
User4: fabbione,Keybuk,mvo,doko,infinity,Riddell,Mithrandir,iwj,User8 ping
User4: I think some folks may be on  vacation; I don't have a list handy
User6: iwj and fabbione both are
User5: infinity already left, too
* mvo is here as well
User7: User4 pong
User4: User7 saw you come in ;-)
User7: ok :)
User8: hey, still 3 mins to go :)
User9: mdz here
User10: is everyone here?
User10: I have apologies for 4 ppl fabbione, infinity, Mithrandir and iwj
User4: User10 can you forward those to me in advance when you receive them? would save a  bit of time
User4: still expecting Keybuk and Riddell
User11: hi mdz
User10: User4 sure
User10: User4 should I do so now?
User4: User10 sure, thanks
User10: User4 I have no update from iwj though
User10: gah phones are ringing...
User10: hi Kinnison
User12: Hi, I'm back
User12: blasted pobox
User6: just in time
User12: aye
User4: texted Keybuk, let's get started
User4: User13 ready?
User11: User4 I think kwwii will have a report too
User13: This week: GNOME 2.14.1, some bug triage, patches review, fixed a bunch of issues on the desktop
User13: .
User13: next week: keep triaging bugs and fixes issues on the desktop, trying candidates for dapper beta CD
User4: is 2.14.1 done, or is there more to go?
User5: hey Keybuk
User13: User4 still gdm to upload, out of that it's done
User4: great
User4: User13 any bugs which should be on the radar for beta/
User4: ?
User13: no, no blocker
User13: rather a list of annoyances which would be nice to fix for dapper
User13: but no stopper
User4: ok, if you come across any (for beta or final), go ahead and set a 6.06 milestone so that I see it
User13: I've used milestone quite often in fact
User4: ok
User13: but I use it as a "we should look at that for dapper"
User13: not "we have to fix it"
User4: I've used it for both nice to fix and for blockers
User9: User4 milestones for RC reports only?
User4: we can distinguish by severity I suppose
User13: right
User4: User9 I see it as a sort of "relevant to the release" tag at this point, so it's more than just RC
User4: also small stuff which may not be a showstopper, but should definitely be looked at for the release
User9: ok
User4: e.g., cosmetic issues which are easy to fix but might otherwise be forgotten
User4: thanks seb128
User4: User11 next?
User11: done: KDE Espresso
User11: also: fixes to kpdf, kaffeine, openoffice. testing CUPS and kdeprint
User11: blocked: anyone want to help me get scim/skim working so can test doko's fix on amd64?
User11: todo: kde espresso: add map widget page, quite a few fixes to qt parted.  looking good for beta release
User11: s/page//, the page is fine, it's just missing a pretty map
User4: User11 I need for you to spend some solid time in malone before beta, to check for bugs which may need attention for beta
User11: User4 I agree but so far I've treated espresso as my priority
User4: right, if it's in good functional shape for  beta, the polish can wait until after beta
User4: the rest of the system needs attention also
User4: if there is someone we can recruit to help you with that, talk with me
User11: true, I'll try and get espresso into a shape I'm happy with by end of tomorrow so I can do bug fixes next week
User11: help with bugs or espresso?
User4: but the bug list is huge and I'm concerned there may be some surprises lurking there
User4: User11 either way, to get more attention on bugs
User4: User11 mvo has familiarized himself with scim and may be able to help there
User11: people with kubuntu, debconf and pykde knowledge are very rare.  bug fixers I can think of though
User14: User11 can we talk about scim/skim after the meeting?
User4: User11 ok, thanks
User11: User14 sure, please
User14: User11 it should work (after the latest uploads) out of the box on kubuntu again
User6: I expect the level of debconf knowledge required now is a bit less than was required when we were building the infrastructure
User4: User15 Riddell mentioned that you might have something prepared to present here?
User15: User4 yepp, might not be so impressive, but here goes
User15: I have touched up the wallpaper (made it a bit lighter) and am working on a color scheme to fit well with the new wallpaper.
User15: Finishing work on new buttons for the window decoration
User15: My goal for next week for Kubuntu is to finish all three of these things, since they rely so heavily on another, and get them packaged so that they can be tested.
User15: After that I'll touch up the KDM theme to match (2 buttons, bg color, etc.)
User11: (kwwii is Ken Wimer, doing the Kubuntu Dapper artwork and some ubuntu artwork for those who don't know)
User15: in addition to all that, we need to finish the Usplash stuff for *buntu
User4: User15 with a goal of having them in place for beta?
User15: User4 when exaclty is the deadline? but, yes, that was my idea
User4: User15 we'll start rolling candidates on Tuesday
User15: cool, I should have something by then
User15: all up to the kdm theme, unless I get a lot of time on the weekend :-)
User8: kwwii, are you also responsible for the edubuntu artwork ?
User4: User15 I don't know if Jane or Mark already discussed this wih you, but we'd like to have the text 'beta' sprinkled around so that it shows up in press screenshots, etc., and avoids confusion about the nature of this release
User15: User4 great idea, I will add that to the pic
User4: User15 usplash, login background, login splash, etc., the stuff which is likely to be screenshotted
User4: User15 great, thanks
User15: User8 not responsible, no, but I have talked to some people to try and help a bit :-)
User4: User5 next?
User15: User4 who can tell me what info is corret?
User15: wait!
User15: pone second
User15: :-)
User15: one
User10: User15 that would be nice if we could get some edubuntu help
User15: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Usplash/Artwork
User15: is that info right?
User4: User15 we have a very tight time table for this meeting and 17 people need to present; we can't spend more than a few minutes with anyone
User15: User10 cool, I'll do what I can
User4: User15 I'll look at it after the meeting, ok?
User15: User4 ok, sorry
User15: User4 sure, thanks :-)
User4: User5 ?
User5: reducing-duplication: got rid of some gtk1.2 dependencies, but some are still there; no other progress
User5: general stuff done this week:
User5: * security updates
User5: * bug triage and bug fixing
User5: * cupsys: had much fun with preparing 1.2rc2 packages, requested testing them on u-devel before asking to put it into dapper; also improved cooperation with Debian a lot to reduce our delta and maintain it sanely in revision control now; my plan is to get this into dapper ASAP and then fix the remaining bugs in 1.2rc2 to get help from upstream
User5: * KDE printing: got a friend of mine to look into the issue; he found a number of issues in kdeprint which break stuff; sent a preliminary patch to Riddell to make printing with our cups work at all, more stuff to come
User5: * new language packs
User5: * espresso testing (I declare myself as Kamion's official test suite - if it will finally work for me, it must work everywhere :) )
User5: plan for next week:
User5: * huge security update: ffox 1.0.8 and friends; iwj agreed to help me with that
User5: * making baby jesus cry harder about cups and its bugs
User5: * attempt to fix some long-standing ALSA related bugs
User5: * look into other bugs (dhcp3 needs some love, too)
User5: * catch up with bug triage
User4: User5 did you and iwj look at gs?
User5: User4 not yet, sorry; I was just swamped
User4: no worries
User5: User4 your idea is to get rid of gs-gpl and just keep -esp or so?
User4: User5 please wait until after beta freeze for the new cups unless there are showstopper bugs for beta
User5: User4 wrt kde and printing, would you be fine if that friend of mine claims the bounty if he fixes some stuff?
User4: User5 only if we arrange in advance; there is no posted bounty
User5: User4 yes, of course; I thought I have the new cups tested for some days, and upload it right after beta release
User4: User5 ok, you did say ASAP ;-)
User5: User4 sure, we'll prepare a writeup
User4: User5 how do the numbers look on the new langpacks?
User5: User4 yes, I don't consider it a good idea to upload it for beta :)
User4: are the rosetta exports more complete?
User5: User4 still merging with my buildd data; rosetta still lags, mainly wrt KDE
User4: User5 please find out from carlos if we can get better exports for beta
User5: User4 a bit, but not significantly still around 30% coverage
User5: yep, will do
User4: ok, thanks pitti
User4: User8 next?
User8: * general:  g-s-s flickering hunted down and fixed. worked on the ltsp-client-builder.udeb progress reporting (sadly the fifo lets ltsp-build-client die, i'm still investigating, seems the frontend is to slow). further edubuntu and ltsp doc stuff. more small bugs killed. cleaning up malone from fixed but unclosed bugs on my list
User8: * next-week: bughunt. getting edubuntu and ltsp documentation into the default edubuntu install. still waiting for artwork from the design company. making the last changes to ltsp and the ltsp-client-builder.udeb (i.e. making dhcpd.conf not a conffile to not break on upgrades). final xscreensaver stuff. preparing edubuntu for beta release
User4: ltsp-client-builder progress reporting?
User4: was that part of a feature speC?
User8: nope, thats was a leftover from breezy
User8: currently the progressbar has only 3 steps
User8: i can leave it like that, doesnt hurt, but i'd prefer to have it proper for dapper
User4: what's involved?
User8: having a proper fifo pipe from ltsp-build-client to the UI
User4: ack
User4: that's pre-featurefreeze sort of stuff
User8: apparently the pipe dies before the reading starts
User4: please defer to post-dapper and concentrate on bugs
User8: i'll do it anyway in the devel branch, if you dont want it in, we can postpone, as i said its only ugly
User8: ok
User4: User8 who is your contact for the edubuntu artwork? silbs?
User8: yep
User4: and she doesn't return until tuesday, hrm
User8: i had a preview of the artwork and adjusted the other ui elements accordingly
User4: she said she could accept calls, though, I'll try her
User8: but then she said they would probably change the whole colouring, which i'm not really fond of
User4: User8 any beta blocker bugs for edubuntu, ensure that they have a 6.06 milestone set
User8: sine then i havent heard anything
User4: User8 I'll call her
User10: but we weren;t really given a date for the final stuff...
User10: beyond the deadlines
User8: no blockers
User4: User8 including any which turn up over the next days ;-)
User4: User8 thanks
User8: :)
User4: User14 next?
User14: Did:
User14: - update-manager updates (added --check-dist-upgrades), various bugfixes
User14: - gksu/update-manager breezy-backport uploaded, fixing a few remarks from kamion (will upload again right after the meeting)
User14: - CJK+thai work (input methods uploads, ff with better libthai support)
User14: - fixed some startup-notifcation releated problems
User14: - general bugtriage + bugfixing (notitication-daemon size-miscacluations, gksu passes http_proxy on now, etc)
User14: Will do:
User14: - more bugfixing/bug triage (still lacking behind)
User14: - dist-upgrade tool work (make it more robust)
User14: - looking into the state of apt (open patches etc)
User14: Blocked:
User14: - sysadmin setup for the auto-dist-upgrade
User4: User14 please prepare instructions for doing a breezy->dapper upgrade using the tool, for inclusion in the beta release announcement
User4: User14 we'll do a major call for upgrade testing there
User14: User4 ok, it's just "update-manager -d"
User14: but I'll write up something more appropriate
User4: User14 speaking of startup-notification, espresso really needed that the last time I looked
User4: it takes a long time to load from the live CD and there was no feedback
User14: User4 ok, I can talk to kamion about it
User4: thanks
User14: cheers
User10: Mithrandir
User10: misc: vacation, polished the live cds, fixing bugs in casper, bug
User10: triage on xkb problems, other general bug triage. Started
User10: looking at popcon
User10: next week: more vacation, fix popcon, beta release
User10: blocked: no
User4: ok
User4: is he on holiday?
User10: yes today, fri and monday
User10: he was working this morning though
User4: ok, back tues
User4: thanks
User4: User12 online?
User12: yep
User12: gnome-power-manager: Preparing 2.14.1 (bugfixes from upstream), not finished it yet
User12: launchpad: Got test suite merged for soyuz upload checks. Helped cprov track down issue with duplicated origs. Manually got python-vte into main in breezy-updates. (solves the immediate issue in 36022). Got dist-upgrader signing merged.
User12: publisher: d-i pocket support is done, I need to get it merged.
User12: general: Lots of bug work on random bugs assigned to me. Various uploads made to correct as many of them as I can.
User12: lp-ongoing: Merge d-i pocket support (trivial). Finish the resolution of the duplicated orig.tar.gzs, need to talk with Kamion about this once I have the info.
User12: distro-ongoing: Still need to try and resolve gparted ui bug. Continue squashing the bugs handed to me in general. Get g-p-m 2.14.1 in and continue finding cherrypicks for upstream.
User12: bug-status: I have a large buglist for gnome-power-manager which could do with some serious love. Hopefully I'll have a block of time to dedicate to this next week.
User12: [end]
User4: when is the next bug day? today? tomorrow?
User13: today
User6: any particular gparted UI bug, or do you mean the UI bug called gparted? :-)
User4: User12 ubuntu-laptop would be a good theme for a bug day, though it'll have to be after beta
User12: User6 "the ui bug" is the "not refreshing properly" one
User6: ah yes
User12: User4 Aye it would.
User12: User16 can you and I talk about that?
User4: User12 coordinate with dholbach on that
User16: i'll prepare an announce for next time
User4: ;-)
User4: User16 what's today's theme?
User16: KERNEL HUGS!
User4: how is that working out?
User16: there has been some clean up going on, but people were a bit uncoordinated due to lack of kernel people
User4: are people basically working from the kernel team's +subscribedbugs?
User16: old needsinfo bugs were cleaned out this morning
User16: +packagebugs is a bit more comprehensive
User16: i hope all the kernel guys pop in soon and give directions
User17: urgh, so far I failed to attend all hug days
User8: Seveas, there are bugs between the hugdays ;)
User16: #ubuntu-bugs now! everybody! :-)
User7: I didn't know you needed any one :)
User4: User7 now that we have daytime in the US, please spend time there
User4: should be a great opportunity to get help asking for more info on bugs, and trying to confirm
User4: User12 thanks
User4: User18 next?
User18: * lots of bug fixing
User18: * have rookery finding packages relying on /var/run/* and /var/lock/*; as well as using obsolete directories like /etc/hotplug
User18: * doing main uploads to fix those myself, and going to do a mass-filing on universe
User18: * started ftp admin work after getting lessons from colin
User18: * dpkg 2 docs
User7: yeah, so far the help has been really great
User18: * bad bug found in udev that should be fixed before release: calls ifup with the old interface name after renaming it
User7: the trivial bugs is what is slowing me down
User4: User7 trivial impact or trivial to fix?
User4: User7 for the former, downgrade them and prioritize the rest
User7: it's the perusing of those trivial bugs that slows me down
User7: I still have to read them :)
User4: User18 is the /var/run search still running?
User6: User18 I'd appreciate help on the openssh bug about /var/run - it seems to be real (had several reports now), and might only happen during the upgrade, so might be an upgrade ordering bug
User6: User18 bug 38921 et al
User2: Malone bug 38921 in openssh openssh-server "Breezy->dapper upgrade missing /var/run/sshd" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38921
User18: User4 no, I have a list for that one now
User18: User6 ok, I'll look into that for you
User6: thanks
User6: AFAICT the init script is sane
User4: User18 please also search malone for any /var/run bugs which haven't been tended yet...unfortunately I think the quirks of malone searching make that tricky right now, maybe confer with #launchpad
User18: User4 all the easy fixes have been uploaded, there's a small few which don't have init scripts but rely on /var/run subdirs
User17: Keybuk, should you be subscribed to all /ver/run bugs?
User4: cf. bug #29227
User2: Malone bug 29227 in malone "Searching for "pmu" doesn't find "/dev/pmu"" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29227
User4: the full text indexing breaks up words in unexpected ways sometimes
User18: User17 if they're in main, yes
User4: indeed
User4: User18 what's the bug# for the udev issue, and is its milestone set?
User18: milestone is set
User4: ok, I'll see it then
User4: thanks Keybuk
User4: User6 next?
User6: ubuntu-express-base-system: Keyboard selection now propagated to installed system. choose-mirror/apt-setup done. Selected country propagated to locale selection. I'm calling this implemented now.
User18: ubuntu 38787
User6: ue-gnome-ui: Now displays selected country. Hostname defaults improved per discussion at UI sprint. I believe the only thing remaining in this specification is getting a reasonable icon; I've asked the art team for help with that.
User18: bug 38787 even :)
User6: ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Belatedly marked implemented; had been wrongly marked as awaiting deployment for a while.
User2: Malone bug 38787 in udev "add action uses wrong interface name in 85-ifupdown.rules" [Major,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38787
User6: ubuntu-express-bootloader: Tested and fixed yaboot support. Espresso now finally works on powerpc (after I make today's upload)! Implemented.
User6: ubuntu-express: Fixed debconf to notice write errors when saving its databases, which totally wedged espresso if the live CD ran out of memory and was probably the underlying cause of a lot of database corruption bugs.
User6: server-candy: Added preseeded kernel override facility to base-installer, which should keep Fabio happy. :-)
User6: misc: Uploaded Thai console support patches. Fixed up oem-config a bit so that it at least vaguely works again, but I need to allocate some time post-beta to clean this up some more.
User6: next-week: If I have time before beta, I want to fix espresso's reboot step, clean up a few strings, and possibly execute the proposed rename to ubiquity. Vacation from Friday to Tuesday inclusive. Beta preparation on Wednesday and Thursday.
User4: User6 sounds like things are coming together for beta
User6: yeah, it's not too bad, still concerned about some partitioning bugs but I think general fixes I've made may have cleared up more of those than is immediately obvious
User6: worst problem is basically poor error handling in places
User4: my primary UI concern the last time I used espresso was that there are several points where there is a lag between the user action and the completion of drawing the next page
User4: is it possible to get a busy cursor from the time the button is clicked until, e.g. the list of languages is filled?
User6: yeah, tricky to fix but I agree that should be addressed for release
User6: that should be possible, I just don't want to rock that boat for beta now
User4: ok. startup-notification would also make a big difference there
User6: I may be able to get a busy cursor in places but not completely
User4: right, agreed
User8: you can also do ugly things with gtktimeout and gtk_main iteration to keep it "fake responsive"
User6: should I do the ubiquity rename before beta or after?
User8: as a last resort
User6: User8 it's not a UI thread being blocked problem
User8: ah, k
User6: (i.e. is Mark going to turn up on Wednesday and say "why didn't you rename it?" :-))
User4: is it really that common to run out of space on the live CD? are people using it on low-memory systems?
User4: User6 after beta, please ;-)
User6: the tmpfs is only half of memory so it's easy enough if you're doing other stuff
User8: define low memory :)
User4: User6 if that does happen, please refer him to me
User8: there are people running the liveCD on 256M
User6: happens to me a fair bit when building espresso on the live CD and then running it
User6: User4 ok, thanks
User6: (with 512MB of memory)
User4: thanks Kamion
User4: User10 no note from iwj, right?
User10: nope
User4: infinity?
User10: sy fixes have been uploaded, there's a small few which don't have init scripts but rely on /var/run subdirs
User10: Seveas Keybuk, should you be subscribed to all /ver/run bugs?
User10: oops sorry wrong paste
User10: infinity
User10: last week buildd: Continued hunting down build failures, got elmo to set up dapper-autotest, which should light up shortly. Investigated some livefs speedups, and livefs build issues on ia64.
User10: last week distro: Finished off the mysqlclient transition, including resolving several new build failures, uploaded a glibc with some bugfixes, did some X bugfixing and triaging, new NVIDIA drivers, new Samba.
User10: next week buildd: Babysit dapper-autotest and start fixing build failures and/or filing bugs, get livefs up to speed on all architectures in time for beta.
User10: next week distro: Get in some critical bugfixes before beta for initramfs-tools, and scrape some Thunderbird branding (been fighting with this off and on) in just under the UI freeze wire.
User10: and I have fabbione's too
User10: fabbione
User10: server-candy: Missing/buggy: apache2 for "central snakeoil SSL setup" and kernel -server as default from CD install. Big cleanup of the install CD's.
User10: * ubuntu-cluster: Fixed one pending bug. No other progresses.
User10: * last week: bug squashing.
User10: * next week: bug squashing.
User4: ok
User6: fabbione's server-candy blocked list is out of date; see my report
User4: fabio emailed that earlier in the week I think
User4: thanks JaneW
User17: (there are new ati drivers, infinity will be thrilled about all bugreports to come</sarcasm>)
User4: User19 next?
User19: * winfoss: started work on the kubuntu version. It needs a distinct look and some new apps. See: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/winfoss/dapper/kubuntu/
User19: * accessibility: Tested the newly landed setting on the Live CD today. Some configurations still need some adjustment.
User19: * xorg: triaging bugs. Got help from Seveas to prepare a script that simplifies the collection of debugging info, esp. on Live CDs
User4: User6 are we already equipped for different winfoss for kubuntu, as far as building CD images?
User11: User19 looking nice there
User4: I didn't realize that was in the works
User11: User4 yes, that happened in breezy
User6: User4 yes
User19: User4 we've done that each time so far
User4: shows how often I've put a kubuntu CD into a windows machine ;-)
User11: User19 I should give you the version of the logo we're using in dapper
User18: "what's a kubuntu CD?" :)
User6: User19 send me a mail with the URL when it's ready, please
User19: User11 cool, thanks
User10: User18 I have one
User19: User6 right
User4: User19 I've been subscribing the accessibility team to a11y bugs as I come across them
User11: User19 did you look at scribus and speedcrunch?
User4: they are starting to become more common now that the work is more visible
User19: User4 good, yes I get those
User19: User11 only briefly
User19: User11 but the plan is to include them, yes
User4: User19 is fabio going to get that script added to the packages?
User19: User4 the sript is just something the users download to collect debug info
User15: User19 I could give you the new version of the logo I made for dapper, for those winfoss screens
User19: no need to include it anywhere
User4: User19 it would be even more efficient if it were in the package and they only needed to run it...something to talk with fabio about
User17: mdz, I hope not - it's not ready for that yet
User4: User19 thanks
User4: User9 next?
User9: - openoffice.org: dapper: waiting for removal of rosetta data before next upload, breezy backport builds now, needs packaging adjustments. 5 new OOo locales integrated, bug fixes.
User9: - toolchain-ng: no progress
User9: - font: made the Nimbus family an alias for the Adobe standard families again
User9: - printing: cupsys fixes, new ppd layout, updates of driver packages, bug fixes, currently pending approval: foomatic-filters-ppds, foomatic-db-hpijs, hplip.
User9: - other: bug fixes in mcpp, xrdb, fontforge, toolchain, some syncs.
User9: - got a pointer from debian-printing to attend #printing-summit on irc, very short note (seems to be a meeting every six months, this time in Atlanta, interesting things: have a printing gui independent of a toolkit, ppd reorganization)
User19: people were reporting crashed X on the live CD and then were stuck in how to get the files uploaded
User9: - some support stuff with mdy and elmo
User9: - blocked: OOo, printing upgrades, toolchain-ng
User4: User9 removal of rosetta data?
User9: - plan for next week: have all printing packages updated to let people test with recent printer descriptions
User9: - OOo uploads, OOo breezy build
User4: User9 any feedback on the font change?  have you searched for relevant bugs in malone?
User9: User4 same thing as last week, we need to kill all OOo imports, and the start again
User9: User4 just one per #irc for now
User4: User9 go ahead with foomatic-filters-ppds and foomatic-db-hpijs
User4: User9 remind me about hplip after beta
User9: User4 ok, what about hplip 0.9.7?
User4: I don't want to change it during beta freeze unless there is a blocker for beta
User4: I'll more easily find time to test it after beta
User9: well, it works, not just for me, but anyway
User4: User9 is carlos handling the rosetta stuff?
User9: User4 stub and carlos, yes
User4: User9 yes, I understand, but we are in beta freeze
User4: User9 is there an ETA?  are any of the blocked ooo changes targeting beta?
User9: User4 it would be nice to have translations from rosetta in a -l10n build
User4: ok, thanks doko
User4: User16 next?
User16: icon-mission: regular updates to tangerine, wrote another call for help to ubuntu-art - looks good; Mark pinged Dave about Icons Tuesday - will compile a list of bugs against the icons for him
User16: bugs: HUG DAY today, introduced weekly bug goals for the Desktop Team, (with the help of volunteers and upstream people) we start catching up slowly, although it's a daily battle to stay on top and lots of old bugs need cleaning and updating
User16: universe: announced ssl (0.9.{7,8}) transition,  will mass-file bugs (for unmet dependencies as well), to have a list and good overview
User16: this week (done): gnome 2.14.1, bug triage, hug day
User16: this week (todo): bug triage, hug day
User16: next week: bug triage, cd testing, universe lists
User4: a reminder, everyone should be participating in bug days at this point in the release
User16: User4 shall we switch to weekly bug days now?
User4: most of you are primarily working on bugs anyway, and doing this within the context of a bug day helps others learn to help as well
User10: User16 yes, I think so...
User16: normally i'd do them every two weeks
User4: User16 possibly, if we can avoid conflicting with milestone releases
User16: ok
User16: i'll talk to Kinnison about the next one
User4: we'll get better participation from the full team if there isn't a flight going on at the same time
User16: and get all the laptop testers reactivated
User10: User16 can we do them mid-week?
User4: thanks dholbach
User4: User7 last up
User7: Kernel bugs: Sifting through them still. Finally have some outside help going through the trivial bugs (closing old inactive ones, finding dupes, requesting testing with latest kernels, etc). Should be caught up and settled down to the critical bugs by next week.
User16: User10 why mid-week? - I always thought friday was good choice.
User4: User7 any beta-relevant bugs on your list?
User7: nothing that's a showstopper for beta, no
User10: User16 the distro team is tired on a friday, they want to wrap up their week and would rather do this during the week
User4: ok, we're over time already
User4: thanks BenC
User10: User16 that's the feedback I have got
User16: User10 ok... everybody ok with laptop hugs on wednesday?
User4: I'll be off the rest of today, but reachable by phone
User4: and will likely check email in the evening
User12: User16 fine by me
User4: thanks, everyone
User4: adjourned
User5: thanks guys
* ogra goes for easter shopping before the shops close
User7: bye everyone
User16: thanks
User5: and girl :)
User7: thanks mdz
User8: thanks
* JaneW is off to the Robbie Williams concert now
User16: User12 ok :)
User10: User5 thanks
* pitti joins ogra, it's high time now
User4: User10 !
User10: heh
User8: heh
User16: User10 have fun!
User17: JaneW, tell him we said hi ;)
User5: User10 have fun!
User8: mdz, you dont read her blog eh ?
User10: User17 will do
User10: User8 stop right there!
User18: User8 her blog isn't on Planet
User8: *giggle*
User8: Keybuk, i know
User17: JaneW, paradise by the dashboard light?
User8: Keybuk, its only for the enlightened people she gives access :)
User5: User17 wasn't that Meat Loaf?
User17: pitti, "Stop right There"
* mvo switches to meat loaf
User17: immediately thought about that song
User10: ok bye, happy easter and passover and whatever else is happening around this time
User5: lots of partying...
User8: bughunting :P
User17: any python guru around who can tell me in a few lines how to upload a file with urllib2?
User5: getting older :)
User8: Seveas, there is code in popcon iirc ...
User17: *hug*
User17: how does hwdb-client upload? Huge form?
* sivang is here
User3: sorry for being late, it's a public holiday in .IL and I had to be offline for a bit.
User8: Seveas, a stupid cgi and no urllib usage
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