User1: bgs100, compiledkernel meeting time :)
User2: User1 may i attend as an observer?
User1: phillw, of course
User2: thanks
User3: hey guys im to ubuntu and i trying to install abgx360 how do i do that
User3: new
User3: i know you got the software center for  most of the stuff you need but how do you install programs from websites
User3: other
User4: Well that depends on how it's packaged
User4: can you link it for me?
User5: does it work on Linux?
User3: ok
User3: http://abgx360.net/download.html
User4: Downloading now
User4: Have you extracted the archive?
User3: ya
User3: abgx360-1.0.2.tar.gz i get this one right
User4: yes
User4: Have you unarchived the files?
User3: ok im going to redo it
User3: ok im at the archive screen
User3: hit extract
User3: ?
User4: yes
User3: ok did that
User3: now what
User4: open Terminal
User3: ok
User3: did that
User4: cd /path/to/unarchived/file
User3: ok
User3: no such file
User4: um, not word-for-word
User4: Where did you unarchive the file?
User3: desktop
User4: okay
User4: cd ~/Desktop
User3: ok
User3: now what
User4: what's the name of the unarchived folder?
User3: abgx-1.0.2
User4: cd abgx-1.0.2
User4: Then type "make"
User3: so cd abgx1.0.2 the type make after it then enter
User4: No
User4: cd abgx1.0.2 <enter> make <enter>
User3: oops sorry
User3: ok
User3: now what
User4: What did make do?
User3: gave this >
User3: me
User4: Just a carat? Hm
User4: ctrl+c
User4: try sudo make install
User4: n8ofsp8ds
User4: Sorry, I forgot something
User3: ya
User3: thanks its not working
User4: cancel whatever it's doing
User3: what is it
User3: alright
User4: type ./configure <enter>
User3: says no such file
User4: did you do the period-slash?
User3: yep
User3: bash no such file
User4: And you're in the abgx360-1.0.2 file?
User3: now i am
User4: You should have stayed there
User3: so keep the file open
User3: then what
User4: ...
User4: Are you in Terminal?
User3: yep
User4: Do you know how Terminal works?
User3: nah man im noob
User3: switching from windows to ubuntu
User4: Okay well you'll have to get some stuff first
User4: sudo aptitude 0y install gcc
User4: Er
User4: sudo aptitude -y install gcc
User4: and then sudo aptitude -y install libcurl4-gnutls-dev
User3: so put  this in the terminal
User4: yes
User4: those are terminal commands
User4: aptitude is an installer program, it's going to download and install what are known as "dependency files"
User3: ok just did sudo aptitude
User3: now the other one
User3: libcurl4-gnutls-dev
User4: Wait, what?
User3: just did  sudo aptitude -y install
User3: what the next step
User1: be careful with that n8ofsp8ds
User1: n8ofsp8ds, you might run out of disk space because it wants to install 30 GB :)
User3: i partition with 210 gb
User3: no worrys
User4: 30GB?
User4: gcc and libcurl don't take up that much room
User1: Chesamo, I'm joking :)
User4: :P
User1: I'm just saying, watch whatcha install!
User3: what do i do after this command sudo aptitude -y install
User4: all of it?
User4: that was fast
User3: well i put that in
User3: and a whole but of stuff installed
User3: in termal
User4: okay.
User4: you're still in the abgx360-1.0.2 file?
User3: yep
User4: now type ./configure
User3: bash
User3: no such file directory
User4: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ pastebin the output of the ls command
User4: that's LS only lowercase
User3: i know
User3: ok i did something wrong hold up
User4: hm?
User3: libcurl4-gnutls-dev where i put that
User4: on the same line as sudo aptitude -y install
User3: ok now there we go
User3: waiting to put ./config
User3: ok everthing else worked
User3: but the ./configure
User4: pastebin the output of ls
User6: still cannot get vbox to connect to the Internet
User3: http://pastebin.com/bJB62LFM
User4: n8ofsp8ds That's not ls
User4: n8ofsp8ds That's just the current buffer
User4: n8ofsp8ds Try this: "ls > pastebin && gedit pastebin"
User3: ok i put it in ged it
User6: how do I setup vbox to connect to the Internet
User3: chesamo
User4: Yes?
User3: i put it in ged it now what
User4: "gedit" is the name of the program. Take what's in there and Pastebin it.
User3: ok did that
User4: ...where's the pastebin link>
User4: ?*
User3: http://pastebin.com/hEmCnS7t
User4: ....no, no no.
User3: then i dont know
User4: copy the next line and paste it into Terminal:
User4: ls > pastebin && gedit pastebin
User4: Don't alter anything, just copy and paste
User3: ok did that went gedit
User4: Yes
User4: Now paste what's in gedit into pastebin
User6: anyone know anything about vbox
User3: http://pastebin.com/Ea1q86mq
User3: i had to open a new terminal the other just giving another carrot
User4: Okay, well, you're not in the right folder, first of all.
User4: n8ofsp8ds if the carat happens again, hit ctrl+c to close the process.
User3: gave the same thing again
User4: n8ofsp8ds you
User4: you're not in the right folder
User4: cd Desktop/abgx360-1.0.2
User3: http://pastebin.com/wubxLyXH
User3: i think i got it right this time lol
User4: Now type ./configure
User3: ok the ./configure work
User3: now what
User4: type make
User3: ok that work
User4: type sudo make install
User3: ok
User3: make nothing to be done
User3: leaving directory
User3: did i do something wrong
User4: sorry what
User4: I need more details than that
User3: http://pastebin.com/7BC6McDV
User4: type abgx360
User3: ok
User3: in a different terminal screen
User4: doesn't matter
User3: so im in a terminal version of the program
User4: Okay
User4: The program's installed
User3: so is there program out side the terminal
User3: or do i need to get a gui  of it
User4: You can get a GUI, it's on the downloads page
User3: ok
User7: I met a English problem in my homework..need help
User5: sure?
User7: This toy car is p_____. Just wind this knob and let it off your hand, then it will run.
User7: fill in the blank
User5: priceless? :P
User4: any synonyms for "automatic" start with P?
User7: i dont know..
User5: well, in my view, any word that fits is good
User7: ?
User8: aluex, perfect, priceless... if your in the hood... pimp
User8: there can be alot of words that fit
User7: ok. perfect maybe perfect
User5: pretty
User5: Vantrax, a lot :p
User7: another one: Golf has gained p_____ among the wealthy in my country.
User8: unless its talking about the actual mechanism and there is a p word that describes it but pneumatic doesnt fit
User8: popularity
User8: that is far simpler
User7: oh,thank you
User7: but what does wealthy mean here?
User8: tell me again why we are doing your homework?
User8: wealthy =  rich
User5: rich
User5: high class
User5: aristocracy :P
User8: lots of mulah
User8: not really aristocracy, you can be that and poor
User8: thats a birthright
User7: ok.thank you all . :-)
User9: User8 I wasn't meaning to offend you
User1: DarkwingDuck, did I miss an email from the ML ?
User1: DarkwingDuck, it looks like you posted twice
User9: Yeah, Vantrax email didn't go through the ML
User1: Vantrax, if it was not private, do you mind forwarding it to the ML ?
User9: It shoudl have gone...
User9: It was CCed
User1: did it get bounced ?
User9: Guess so...
User1: you should always use your approved email to post on the ML >:(
User9: lol
User1: hey collinp
User1: nice hostmask ZachK_
User1: ZachK_, I take it the meeting went well?
User10: :D
User10: User1 yes!
User1: congrats ZachK_
User10: ty paultag
User1: no problem
User9: Congrats ZachK_ Welcome to the club
User10: User9 :D
User1: DarkwingDuck, I need to go for Kubuntu stuff, but I don't do shit for them. I wear my Kubuntu t-shirt to any events where there might be Ubuntu folk
User1: DarkwingDuck, I should step up my game.
User11: paultag, yes you should.
User12: does anyone know how to go back to the default repositories?
User1: cmg, perhaps
User1: cmg, what's the output of lsb_release -a
User9: User1 LOL
User1: DarkwingDuck, I need to see what version of what distro :)
User9: User1 we are always looking for help over there
User1: DarkwingDuck, Ah, haha
User1: DarkwingDuck, well I don't know where to contribute, it's a tight community
User1: cmg, any luck?
User12: so you needed to know what distro and release?
User12: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
User1: cmg,
User1: cmg, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
User9: come by #kubuntu-devel and talk to JontheEchidna or apachelogger. If you want to help with netbook talk to ScottK. If you want to help with documentation talk to this nutcase DarkwingDuck
User1: cmg, paste this in here -- http://pastebin.com/C3wpHqiB
User1: DarkwingDuck, :P
 * ZachK_ will be back soon
User9: You know QT?
User1: DarkwingDuck, I'm not good enough with packaging to help a ton with that
User1: DarkwingDuck, hell yeah. I contributed to the Marble project
User9: help with what? documentation?
User1: DarkwingDuck, packaging
User9: ahhh
User9: I need to learn.
User1: DarkwingDuck, it's rough with dpkg
User12: what do you want me to do with the list?
User11: I should learn how to package too
User1: cmg, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
User9: But, I'll stick with documentation both Kubuntu and I'm helping upstream too
User1: cmg, cut the text from -- http://pastebin.com/C3wpHqiB -- and paste it over whatever is in there
User1: cmg, then run sudo apt-get update
User1: DarkwingDuck, aye
User12: okay ill give it a shot
User1: tenach, it sucks
User1: cmg, let me know :)
User9: User1 so, for now I'll stick with that and once I become a UBT member I'll do more in here :P:P
User1: DarkwingDuck, aye :)
User1: DarkwingDuck, is there a lot of programming with kubuntu devel?
User9: C++  and QT
User9: Gimme a sec... I'm looking for the ToDo list for Maverick
User1: kk tyt
User1: cmg, any luck?
User12: updating now
User9: User1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
User1: cmg, :)
User1: let me read thru that DarkwingDuck, ty
User9: User1 NE time
User12: okay comes back with the error. --2010-06-08 is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/sources.list.d/mediaubuntu.list
User4: paultag, gksudo, not sudo :P
User1: Ahha!
User11: Chesamo, I have never used gksudo for anything - what's the difference?
User1: Chesamo, valid :)
User1: tenach, it's GUI
User4: tenach, gksudo is for graphical apps
User11: Ah.
User11: I've never done that, just sudo everything ,including graphicall apps
User1: cmg, gksudo rm /etc/sources.list.d/mediaubuntu.list
User4: tenach, sudo is usually good, but it can occasionally bugger up GUI programs
User1: it's nice tenach
User4: cmg, no that's sudo
User4: :P
User1: Oh goddamnit Chesamo
User12: hahah okay ill give it a shot
User4: tenach, paultag, User12 gksudo is for graphical apps and sudo is for CLI apps
User1: cmg, use sudo. Listen to the lady :)
User4: Now you know! :P
User11: :D
User1: Chesamo, :)
User11: Yesh. I get it
User1: Chesamo, I need people like you to keep me in check :)
User1: can't let my know-how get out of date
User4: User1 ;-)
User9: gksudo doesn't work for me :P:P:P
User1: DarkwingDuck, damn kubuntu luser
User1: >:D
User9: LOL
User9: KDE RULEZ
User12: now it says it cant be removed because it doesnt exit -_-
User1: DarkwingDuck, dude, I was repping hard!
User1: cmg, paste this exactly:
User1: cmg, sudo rm /etc/sources.list.d/mediaubuntu.list
User9: Wife and son (5 years old) use Ubuntu and I use Kubuntu on both my desktop and tablet
User1: DarkwingDuck, check this out
User1: DarkwingDuck, http://people.ubuntu.com/~paultag/UbuntuHour/Mass/
User1: DarkwingDuck, I'm the one in the Kubuntu shirt :)
User1: DarkwingDuck, that was at the MA Ubuntu Hour
User9: SWEEEEEET
User9: Wait, you use Kubuntu?
User9: :P:P
User1: DarkwingDuck, goddamnit, duh
User12: no luck still and btw i cant copy and paste im on two different machines
User1: cmg, OK, cool
User9: >:D
User1: cmg, try an update. If that fails give us the output of "ls /etc/sources.list.d/"
User1: cmg, you might have killed it already :)
User12: hold on, i wasnt in the /etc directory could that be the problem?
User1: cmg, nah, I gave you absolute paths
User1: cmg, you should be ok
User12: okay ill check if the dir is still there then
User1: cmg, the dir is OK
User1: cmg, you just don't want the errorful mediaubuntu source file
User13: May I ask a few questions about a BASH script I'm writing?
User1: Darkness_Des, don't ask to ask, just ask! :)
User1: Darkness_Des, we're a friendly bunch, we won't bite
User1: it's -beginners for a reason :)
User12: i check the dir and they files are still there, just kill them i suppose?
User1: cmg, please :)
User1: cmg, looks like the mediaubuntu.list file
User1: cmg, don't remove any directories
User12: i took out the list files
User1: cmg, _just_ the mediaubuntu one, right?
User1: cmg, the sources.list in the /etc/apt/ is critical
User13: Thanks ^_^. I can assure you that this is *probably* going to be extremely dumb. I'm uploading the script to sendspace so you can see what I'm talking about.
User13: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ek5rv6
User1: Darkness_Des, no dumb questions here :)
User12: there was a medibuntu.list and mediabuntu.list that i removed and i just started my update, so far so good
User1: cmg, kk, awesome
User1: Darkness_Des, sorry to do this to you, but do you mind using pastebin?
User13: david49@example.net.
User1: Darkness_Des, it makes it easy to go back and forth
User12: worked great i really appriciate it :)
User1: Darkness_Des, http://pastebin.com/
User10: !pastebin | Darkness_Des
User1: cmg, of course :)
User14: User13 For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
User1: ty ZachK_
User10: damn paultag you beat me too it
User13: http://paste.ubuntu.com/446967/
User13: There you go.
User1: ty Darkness_Des
User1: Nice :)
User1: so what's the question Darkness_Des?
User13: Thanks. I've been working on BASH for a while but this one area in particular is a bit difficult to me...
User12: one last problem haha
User12: how do i install the java VM?
User1: cmg, sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
User4: cmg sudo aptitude install sun-jaba6-jre
User1: doh
User1: +1 Chesamo
User1: Darkness_Des, sure
User4: paultag :P
User1: Darkness_Des, where are you getting hung up?
User1: Chesamo, I have my hands bound for development
User1: all I can think of :)
User13: It's hard to phrase this question, so bear with me. Whenever I try to make the for statements read the file that Zenity output, it downloads all scripts instead of the ones mentioned in the .installer file.
User4: User1 understandablt :P
User4: understandable*
User12: whats the differenc of sptitude and apt-get?
User1: cmg, dependency handling
User1: Darkness_Des, ahha. One sec, let me go into detail
User1: Hummm, I think I see the issue
User13: All help is appreciated.
User1: let me test Darkness_Des
User13: Ok!
User1: Darkness_Des, one more sec, almost have it
User1: just want to make sure it's all bug free
User13: Fine by me, I've been trying to do the same thing for over an hour.
User10: hello Appl6
User1: One more minute or two Darkness_Des, dumb syntax issue
User13: Perfectly okay. I have until 10:15, so if it's not finished by then would you mind sending me the incomplete script and I'll see if I can figure it out from there?
User1: Darkness_Des, sure, np. It's a stupid error ( and I've been doing bash for a while so it's because of the loop I'm doing ) I just have to read a few man pages to find this bug
User13: Alright. Thank you very much, you're a very big help.
User1: it's no problem
 * ZachK_ thinks paultag rocks
User13: I do too.
User1: fuck it, I'll refactor
User1: One sec
User1: got it, I think
User4: !language paultag
User14: User4 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
User4: :c
User4: I thought you were :c
User1: OK I know you have to go Darkness_Des. Here is what I have
User4: !language |paultag
User14: User1 Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
User13: The people who made this channel have a nice sense of humor.
User4: There.
User1: Darkness_Des, http://paste.ubuntu.com/446970/
User10: User13 we are a bit strange
User1: Darkness_Des, gee thanks
User13: (That was mean)
User1: Darkness_Des, that is refactored a bit. I ditched a case ( the right way to do it ) because it has crappy syntax
User1: Darkness_Des, I swear the guy who made bash was dyslexic "Humm, if to start, fi to end"
User13: Hehehe.
User1: Darkness_Des, there is an x before the vars incase $x is null
User1: Darkness_Des, just fyi
User15: The first line should be #!/bin/bash.
User1: Ah duh
User1: thanks Appl6
User13: Thank you very much! I'll be sure to look out for that.
User1: Darkness_Des, Appl6 is right
User1: Darkness_Des, I missed the ! in the shabang
User13: I've always wondered how to pronounce that... No worries, I'll put it in.
User1: :P
User1: Darkness_Des, godspeed! looks like it will be snazzy when it's done. Cool project :)
User1: Darkness_Des, keep on keepen n
User1: on *
User13: You too.
User1: aye aye
User13: Hopefully I'll talk to you later. Godbye for now.
User1: cheers Darkness_Des
User1: !paultag | Chesamo
User14: Factoid 'paultag' not found
User4: Tehehe
User1: Oh damnit, I forgot votebot is gone
User1: heyya nhandler
User10: !Language | paultag!
User14: paultag!: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
User1: Shucks, what was my old factoid?
User10: suck  my keyboard
User1: You're peevish chastity is not worth a breakfast in the cheapest country
User1: I think thats it
User1: no wait, your *
User10: that's it
User16: User1 I can find it if you want?
User1: nhandler, it's ok :)
User1: nhandler, it was one of my Shakespearian insults. God I love early modern english
User10: User1 agreed
 * ZachK_ out for a bit
User12: hey guys when i use the ./install.bin command to install my .bin file i get an error
User15: User12 Pastebin the error.
User17: Q: I'm confused.  I went to download a 64-bit Ubuntu version and I see it says 'amd' on it.  Does that mean it won't work on intel 64bit machines?
User12: http://pastebin.com/bwyaNeF6
User18: yes
User4: tno
User4: no
User4: amd64 is compatible with x86_64
User15: User17 It will work on Intel 64 bit machines.  See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64#Differences_between_AMD64_and_Intel_64  Basically, it says the differences are minor, and everyone programs to the common denominator of AMD and Intel 64.
User17: User4 so its the same .iso whether you use amd or intel?
User18: legacy... AMD was first out with a 64b cpu
User4: User17 Yes
User17: So should I expect it to work on a quad core intel machine?
User4: yes
User15: User12 Wow, it can't find libc.  Did you happen to uninstall a bunch of packages recently?
User17: Thank you for the wikipedia reference.  I'll check it out...
User12: i actually just had a problem with my repositories but someone here helped me re installd the defaults
User6: can anyone help me with vbox
User15: User12 Does "aptitude show libc6" say "State: installed"?
User15: User12 And are you using 32 or 64 bit Ubuntu?
User12: 32bit
User12: and yes it says installed
User15: User12 Pastebin the results of "dpkg -L libc6" please.
User4: ZeRoDeAth50435: What's wrong?
User6: I cannot connect to the Internet in vbox
User12: http://pastebin.com/CTZBuDUS
User17: Q: does Ubuntu 64bit work fairly well or is it known to be glitchy?  My girlfriend is thinking of a machine w/ quadcore 64 bit capability.  Is it a better bet to run it w/ 32 bit or 64 bit?
User4: User17 I run 64-bit stable, no problems
User4: User6 That's not very descriptive. What guest OS?
User6: WinXP
User4: User6 Have you installed Guest Additions?
User6: yes
User6: it maybe the version that I am using
User4: User6 What version of VBox are you running?
User6: OSE
User15: User12 Are you sure the application you're trying to install is 32 bit compatible?  Besides that, you can go mucking around with strace, but it sounds like an installer bug.
User6: I am using a mod bootleg version of XP
User12: yeah i've used it on my windows 32bit before
User12: what is strace?
User4: User6 That's probably part of the problem. Piracy is bad, kids!
User17: User4 thanks!
User4: User17 No probl
User4: em
User15: User12 What is the application?  Maybe I can take a look.  strace is a program that looks at all the system calls a program makes.  It might tell you where the program is trying to find libc.so.6, which may tell you where the problem is.
User6: yeah I hear ya
User12: well it for my little sister she uses it to connect to a math tutor and she wants it on this laptop which is running ubuntu, ill get you link in a minute
User6: I have used bootlegged version before and not had a problem but this version never used before
User4: User6 What kind of network adapter is being shown to the VM>
User4: ?*
User6: NAT
User6: default settings
User4: User6 No, what hardware is being emulated
User15: User12 Maybe you could dual-boot Windows and Ubuntu.  Windows for when you actually want to get things done ;-).
User12: hahah well i put linux on so it was a little noob proof as far as spyware and virus go
User12: because she just got a virus and i reformated instead of trying to remove it
User15: User12 Right, right.
User6: do not understand what you are asking
User4: User6 What is listed under Settings > Network > Advanced > Adater Type?
User6: Attached to: NAT, Advanced: PCnet-FAST III (Am79C973
User4: User6 Change that to one of the Intel Pros
User6: Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop
User6: will that work for wireless
User4: What?
User4: What are you talking about? That's the virtual hardware
User6: I connected to the Internet wirelessly
User15: *grin*
User19: that doesnt matter
User19: just try the intel one :)
User6: still will not connect said it did not install right
User4: User6 Re-install Guest Additions
User6: its running
User6: done
User6: nope still no Internet
User19: what is the error?
User6: there is no error
User6: it is not detecting any wired or wireless network cards installed
User19: wont be a wireless
User19: just the fake wired one
User19: in a terminal
User19: you could type
User19: lspci
User6: I have used wireless before
User19: and look for the fake intel card
User19: User6 in the virtual machine, it should show up as a wired device
User19: regardless of what the host is on
User6: its not showing up anything
User19: i gotcha
User6: ok
User19: did you run lspci
User19: in a terminal?
User19: dont paste it in here
User6: yeah
User19: just look and see if you see the net adapter
User6: no fake one shows up
User19: hmmmm
User6: just what my wireless card is
User19: the wireless card in your host ?
User15: User19 The guest OS is Windows XP.
User19: OH
User6: but when I run ifconfig I get one for vbox  and virbr0 but the vbox one is not showing up
User15: User19 *grin*
 * holstein smacks head
User4: Hahaha
User4: User6 The command is "ipconfig" in Windows
User15: User19 Sorry, I just switched back to this channel, otherwise I would have told you sooner.
User6: yeah
User20: whats the issue here?
User19: User15 i should have read the scroll
User19: i just assumed ;)
User6: nothing shows up
User19: what do you need XP for?
User6: what do you mean holstein
User19: have you tried WINE for whatever program your tyring to run XP as a guest in Vbox for?
User6: yeah it will not work
User19: if you have to run windows, Vbox is the way to do it
User4: What program?
User19: with the snapshots
User19: handy
User6: Last Chaos
User19: you can just name a snapshot 'pre-virus' ;)
User4: A game?
User4: User6 Have you gotten any decent 3D performance? VBox is NOT what you want for playing games on
User4: in*
User6: the ethernet controller that I set needs to connect to the internet to download what it needs
User6: yeah
User19: User6 just keep trying them
User19: you'll have to find one that XP supports
User19: OR get a driver, and move it into the guest
User6: yeha
User6: yeah
User19: look in the 'device manager' or whatever it is
User15: User6 Chesamo is right.  Vbox is going to really disappoint you with its performance on graphics heavy video games.
User19: unless you got some kinda CRAZY machine
User19: that game...
User19: yeah 6666
User19: oops
User19: ^^^^
User19: not worth messing with
User6: yeah wish I could play it in Linux
User19: email them
User6: but they are haters
User19: call them
User6: have
User6: they said they will NEVER support Linux
User19: did you say 'never say never' ;)
User19: if we get steam for linux
User19: all kinds of game companies will compete i bet
User6: which I do not know why their are more people that use Linux than people thing
User6: think
User6: that is true, its up to the Linux community to change things
User15: If you could program to "Linux" then sure.  But you actually have to program to a million sound systems and versions of them, and another million versions of graphics libraries.  Either that, or roll your own everything.
User6: one thing that makes windows windows is the fact that all programs use the .exe format
User21: distros kind of shoot themselves in the foot by fragmenting key components :/
User6: yeah and I have thought about it
User15: User21 Absolutely.  But a lot of people use Linux because they can swap in whatever they like best.
User21: User15 right, so it's two-edged. i do wish they would pick up the initiative to standardize at least some aspects
User6: yeah and you can change it to fit up and the work you use it
User21: i know they thought about going with all rpm, but some people wanted deb and the whole thing died off
User15: User21 That's part of the problem.  In order to allow for better APIs to evolve, you can't standardize around a single API.  Implementations aren't the only things evolving and being improved; APIs are, too.
User6: I can understand why people want deb because they are very easy to install
User21: and deb is easy to package for (haven't worked with rpm)
User6: I have once or twice tar files are the hardest for me to work with
User15: That's a small fish compared to graphics libraries.  And Conary is pretty excellent.
User4: User6 Tar files are just binaries or source
User4: User6 Not hard to use at all
User6: yeah
User4: User6 Just like zips only better
User6: yeah I have heard that
User15: Better?
User4: User6 Yeah, tarballs actually compress :P
User15: Other way around.  zip compresses, tar does not.
User6: the only thing that gets me is you have to go throw 3 or 4 step but I have used them before only cause I had a step step to go by
User4: User6 the gzip algorithm does.
User4: Appl6"
User15: gzip is not part of tar.  I'm not doubting that you can call a compression algorithm on a tarball, but it's odd to say that tar is superior to zip because it is possible to compress the resulting archive.
User15: Whereas zip compresses it for you already.
User4: User15 tarballs almost always have the .tar.gz extension. Tar for consistency and gz for compression.
User21: User6 tar.gz directories tend to be the source that anybody can get and see, they can be downloaded and you can run from them, but they aren't really meant for installing a program
User6: you the more I think about it a lot of programs would do a lot better than they are if all programs would start on Linux first
User6: yeah I used one to run a game
User6: I used it to run doom 3 Linux
User6: wine and programs like wine are emulators right
User21: Wine Is Not an Emulator ;)
User4: User6 No
User4: User6 It's a compatibility layer
User4: ddecator +1
User4: User6 They take Windows system calls and convert them into WINE calls
User4: User6 Because WINE has its own version of the Windows libs
User6: why did very one stop talking
User21: hm?
User6: ok their has to be a better way to bridge the gap in using .exe files
User6: that works not matter what
User19: yeah
User19: stop using them ;)
User6: if only
User6: all the good MMOs and games use exe format
User19: i think microsoft should start writing me some .deb s
User6: thats the big thing for me
User6: haha
User6: hell would have to freeze first
User4: I wouldn't call it a "format" per se
User19: nah
User21: yah, gaming is huge, hopefully steam will help. that, and netflix streaming, which is microsoft's fault in some way (they won't give moonlight the DRM license i guess)
User19: just money
User4: It's just that the programs are compiled for Windows
User19: thats true Chesamo
User6: thats it
User19: is not a fair comparison
User6: if it wasnt for that then MS would not be what it is now
User6: thats right its not
User21: well, they have DirectX
User19: nah
User4: Yeah, DX is pretty big
User19: the could have written whatever
User19: its all buisness on some level
User4: Well
User4: DirectX has software modes
User4: OpenGL doesn't
User6: yeah and money
User21: and microsoft promotes DirectX to game devs
User15: They have incredible platform stability and a huge user base.  OS X has the second.  Linux has neither.  Bad for business.
User6: when I look at Linux I see greatness
User15: You should check out The Old New Thing for some completely insane stories about how the developers at Microsoft slaved over trying to maintain backward compatibility with existing games.
User4: Ah yeah
User4: Compatibility
User4: that thing that Apple decided to never do
User19: lol
User21: ha
User15: Yeah, that's going to hurt them.
User19: you think?
User6: yep
User19: the apple user is a strange bird
User15: I don't know if it'll hurt them enough to be noticeable given the devotion of the average Apple fanboi.
User19: i think the typical apple user really thinks the new thing is necessary
User19: tough crowd to read
User4: I have some Apple hardware
User19: me too
User4: Though I've never spent more than $25 on an Apple product ;-)
User19: but we dont have the iphone 3 or whatever
User4: ...despite owning a Mac Mini
User19: User4 score on the mini :)
User19: you run linux on it?
User4: User19 Raffle :P
User4: User19 Can't. Last two times I tries EFI went BLOOIE
User19: ive had decent luck with the PPC machines
User15: But software companies don't want to write software that's going to break all the time whenever Apple feels like it.  And I can't see that many middle or lower income people being able to justify the extra cost of a Mac.
User19: but i got a macbook
User19: and it does not like ubuntu
User19: too bad
User4: Oh, I had a G3 that ran Ubuntu flawlwssly
User4: flawlessly*
User6: never had a MAC
User19: i got that macbook free
User19: needed some tinkering to get it running
User19: i bought snow leopard for it
User19: i gotta say, 30 bucks.. i was surprised
User4: Holstein: Yeah, well... You can't run it on non-Apple hardware :P
User4: User19 I think he cost of the hardware balances it out
User19: i think windows is still hovering around a hundred bucks
User21: the basic versions, haha
User19: User4 yeah, i just figured they'd get me too
User6: its the OS X Linux
User4: User6 What?
User6: kind of like LInux in its design
User4: User6 well it's got a lot of Linux components. Xorg, for example.
User4: User6 It's based on BSD
User4: User6 I say "based" in the loosest interpretation possible
User21: linux and OS X are cousins
User21: both part of the Unix family
User6: I just check the forum for this MMO and their are a lot of people asking for it
User6: yeah thats what I thought
User19: anybody using a VIA chip?
User21: can't say i am
User19: im having a hell of a time getting smooth video playback
User6: what are you using
User19: its an old HP mininote
User19: one of the first ones with the via chips
User19: PITA
User6: ok
User6: Ubuntu a UNIX like system
User4: User6 unix-like, yes
User6: thats what I thought
User8: ubuntu is posix compliant in the most limited sense, and has many programs from Unix that were ported over
User8: Unix like i would tend to reserve for something like BSD
User21: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history-simple.en.svg
User21: right, sort of related by not exactly
User6: what is the command to list what is in my home folder
User15: User6 ls ~
User6: thanks
User6: I am trying to run this and it is not working
User15: User6 That gives us almost no information.
User4: User6 What are you trying to do?
User6: I was trying to run the last chaos install from the terminal but it was not working
User6: wine LcInstallUSA_******.exe
User6: was the command
User4: User6 Why so many asterisks
User4: User6 Try wine start <exe>
User6: yeah that what I am doing now
User21: are you trying to install it or did you install it and you want to run it?
User6: its updating
User15: User6 Looks like WC 3 and LC.  It's unlikely that LC or VCK will work, since they rely so heavily on messing with WC 3's process memory (and that is not a portable thing to do).
User15: User6 Looks like WC 3 and LC.  It's unlikely that LC or VCK will work, since they rely so heavily on messing with WC 3's process memory (and that is not a portable thing to do).
User21: i've got a minor thing that has been driving me nuts. i autohide my top panel, and i have the autohide size set to 0, but there is still shows 1 pixel all the way accross the screen. anyone know what might be causing it to not fully autohide even though i set the size to 0?
User21: sorry for the bad grammar, getting tired haha
User21: lucid btw
User22: User21 Gnome-panel is coded so that it unhides when you move the mouse cursor over the panel, so it needs at least that 1-pixel wide area so you can unhide it.
User22: User21 you can try making that 1px transparent - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3213707&postcount=15
User21: User22 hey mate. i didn't think it was like that in karmic, i thought it just sensed when the cursor was on or near the edge, but maybe i just don't remember right
User22: hey dray :) IIRC it's always been like that, but i don't remember trying it in Karmic
 * kermiac shrugs
User21: maybe it's just more obvious now because i'm using ambiance and the vlc icon has a white box, so the little white part sticks out when it's hidden
User22: yeah, that could be it - it def is more obvious with a darker backgound :(
User22: w00t... knock off time... time to shutdown. Catch you later if you're still online dray :)
User21: sounds good, cya mitch
User23: good morning everyone
User23: how are we all today?
User23: hey , I am thinking of programming a back-up tool in python, that wan be used to restore from back-ups using a live disc in the case of disaster
User23: good idea?
User23: but I have one question before starting it
User23: are /proc /dev e.t.c generated at boot time?
User23: I'll be back later
User24: hi, is there any intel mobile graphics accelerator for ubuntu?
User24: hello??
User25: User24 Yeah, I have an intel chipset in my laptop and it works fine with ubuntu
User23: hello everybody
User24: The chipset is working fine but when I was running Windows, I downloaded a accelerator for it so it would run faster... is there one compatible with Ubuntu?
User23: what chipset?
User24: intel mobile
User23: same as I have... in all honesty I dont think there is an accelerator ... but is it really needed in ubuntu?
User24: just for games and stuff
User23: what games on Linux?
User24: flight gear
User24: it's a bit tacky
User23: Linux isnt usually good for gaming
User23: Linux is mostly for security and work , but thats just my opinion
User24: I got it cos win7 crashed on my computer,,, and I don't have the cd
User23: what crash problems were you having on windows?
User24: well. the screen looked as if it was cracked but it was fine after i restarted the computer
User24: also it froze after 5 minutes of boot
User23: I used to get that, its the graphics driver, you needed ot download a newer one
User24: also how do i find out the specific graphics driver name?
User23: right what graphics card is it?
User23: cya's all later
User24: its a intel mobile but i dont know the specific information to get the driver update
User26: User24 what do you get when you run this command in a Terminal:  lspci | grep Network
User26: oops wrong command
User26: User24 what do you get when you run this command in a Terminal:  lspci | grep VGA
User24: ahh... that got it
User24: thatnks
User24: thanks
User26: System > Administration > Hardware Drivers might suggest a driver
User27: can anyone help me with this please? http://pastebin.com/0CRDK37L
User27: can anyone help me with this please? http://pastebin.com/0CRDK37L please?
User27: hey chesamo
User4: hello sogeking99
User27: can you see my messages from just before you joined?
User28: This would be the same problem as yesterday sogeking99  ?
User28: Have you tried re-installing the driver?
User27: yeah
User4: User27 No, the irclogs.ubuntu.com logs lag behind
User27: basically, everything is messed up for me lol. http://pastebin.com/0CRDK37L that link has most of my issues listed. hope there is something i can do
User4: User27 Have you tried removing the 10-5 drivers and installing what's in the repos?
User27: i uninstalled then tried using jocky to install them again but jocky wont install them
User4: User27 Don't use Jockey. Not a very good program.
User27: yeah, so is it on the software centre?
User27: the drivers i mean
User4: soge99: Nah, I don't use the software center :P
User27: oh the synaptic then?
User4: User27 sudo aptitude install fglrx
User27: so run this after uninstalling?
User4: User27 yes
User27: and do i need to restart after ununstalling the driver? because i have a feeling i will run into the blank screen issue again if i do
User4: User27 No, you don't. You're not doing anything that'll require a graphics driver.
User27: ok
User27: i got this error? E: fglrx: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 2
User4: ahhh
User4: User27 cd /var/lib/dpkg/info
User4: User27 ls fglrx.*
User4: User27 then gksudo gedit <each of the files listed by ls>
User4: User27 Change the first line ( #/bin/sh -e ) to #/bin/sh
User4: User27 Then perform the uninstallation again, using the purge command (sudo apt-get purge fglrx)
User29: i need help. since installed ubuntu, i lost all sound. Toshiba satellite a101-s4001.
User27: the last 2 files listed are #! /bin/sh for first line the other 2 are quite differnt in content
User4: User29 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=451011
User29: tks chesamo i would check it
User4: User27 Are they not shell scripts? (do they not start with #/bin/*)?
User4: #!/bin/*
User27: #!/bin/sh
User27: thats what two of them say anyway
User27: this is whats list in ls neil@neil-desktop:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ ls fglrx.*
User27: fglrx.conffiles  fglrx.md5sums   fglrx.postrm   fglrx.prerm
User27: fglrx.list       fglrx.postinst  fglrx.preinst  fglrx.shlibs
User27: all files with .pre and .post have #! /bin/sh as the first line
User4: User27 Very odd. Have you tried running sudo dpkg -r fglrx ?
User27: not yet, i will now
User27: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/447232/
User27: what happened to make my system go so wrong...
User4: User27 try sudo apt-get purge xorg-driver-fglrx
User27: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/447235/
User4: It's very weird, I really don't know
User27: think i need to reformat my '/' partition? '/home' should be fine right?
User4: User27 If you reformat /, you'll remove your entire system. If you format /home, you'll remove all of your user data and your Home folder.
User27: so how do i make it like a freshly installed 10.4?
User4: User27 You want to reinstall?
User27: i feel like thats all i can do. i dont know what happened but it is seriously messed up
User4: User27 I always hate to resort to reinstalls, because it feels like admitting defeat, but I'm really not sure what else you can do.
User27: yeah thanks for all the help anyway :)
User27: i g2g anyway cya
User30: Um ^^ Hi there, I'm reletively new to Ubuntu and i've been trying to get my tablet working with it, now. . .so far I have full tablet support when I remove the "~/usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/05-evdev.conf" file, but while it's there my tablet just hangs in the top left corner. .any ideas?
User30: *Also if i remove the 05-evdev file my keyboard and mouse don't work :P
User4: User30 What kind of tablet is it?
User30: It's a Trust TB-6300
User4: User30 Have you tried this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TabletSetupWizardpen
User30: I already have WizardPen installed, I should've mentioned that, sorry
User4: Ah, then I don't know. Tablets aren't my area of expertise.
User30: xD No worries, I'll just have to do a bit of pro-googling :D
User31: do I have to delete the package 'indicator-applet' to get rid of the envelope in the system message area?
User4: User31 No, just right-click and select "remove from panel"/
User4: User31 Though I believe doing that will remove your volume control applet as well. This should fix that. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9200476&postcount=5
User31: User4 when I tried, it removed the volume control too :-(
User4: User31 done! ;-)
User31: ah
User31: yes with that I guess a volume control again. I wished they have made them separate from the beginning :-) there isn't other things that I break now I hope?
User31: *get not guess
User4: User31 Nope, as long as you have the notification area you'll be fine.
User31: ok
User32: i have a sort of related question, I was wondering if there was a good automatic build, scheduled build with a dashboard type of thing available thats open source.
User4: User32 What do you mean by scheduled/automatic build? And do you mean OSX Dashboard?
User31: dashboard.. is that like the nextstep-programstarter-panel thing? like mac have like a
User32: like cruisecontrol or the atlassian bamboo stuff
User4: User32 Like the OSX Dock?
User32: User4 no, I found that one ;)
User4: User32 Oh, version control with automatic compilation.
User32: like for automating software builds on time or event and having a pretty dashboard to see how its all going
User4: User32 Oh, so a frontend to an automatic compilation.
User32: yes
User4: User32 Have you tried Apache Continuum? http://continuum.apache.org/
User32: no I havent
User32: do you like it?
User4: User32 Nope, Google-fu brought it up :P
User31: automatic compilation would be nice. together with automatic ide and downloading of src for any application I rightclick on and select "Modify..."
User32: I love and hat google fu
User32: hate
User32: sometimes you find exactly what you are looking for and others.....not so much....Thanks
User31: :-)
User32: yep
User4: User32 No problem. Good luck! :P
User32: I think that is where launchpad is heading
User4: User32 I hope not. afaik it's just a project management system.
User32: things change.... ;)
User4: User32 I hope not :( Launchpad's already complicated enough as it is
User31: Launchpad as in rockets or spacecrafts take off area, or Launchpad (website) used for bug tracking and software development? ;-)
User4: User31 The former, duhhhh
User31: space technologi can be complicated :-)
User31: blae it is already 2010 and we still have no moonbase, and just one space station :-(
User33: i need some help
User31: User33 ok
User33: my network is downloading and im up loading at the same time when im idle at boot up
User33: and i do a netstat -a and theres like all thus stuff going on
User33: i think my isp is messing with me
User31: ohh.. so there is some program that uses the network without you actively ask it to. I have'nt heard of that in ubuntu...
User33: i was also supposed to get like 12mb download speed
User33: i installed debian too and i got so hot that i would just power off
User31: User33  some evil Windows malware do that, but in linux? strange...
User33: now i got ubuntu 10.04 back running
User33: and its the same thing
User33: strange indeed
User31: in linux you should be bale to see what is running by running the ommand  top  in a terminal window
User31: *able
User33: i see my network in my system monitor
User33: along with a few other services
User33: User31 what the command to remove firefox
User33: please  :)
User31: you can remove any program in System-Administration-Synaptic
User33: ok
User31: if you search for firefox there and uncheck it and press the buttonbar-button to do it, then firefox should be removed for you
User33: ok
User33: its removed ty :)
User31: About that strange automatic downloading thing you have problem with... it must be possible to see what ip-number it is contacting and block that, right?
User33: i hope
User31: User33 if you had a router (or adslmodem with builtin router) then you could of course block that ipnr in the router instead
User33: ok
User33: dont have a router yet
User33: i wonder what kind of modem i have
User33: motorrola sbv5220 cable modem
User33: broadband modem
User33: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=+motorrola+sbv5220+cable+modem&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
User34: hiys hobgoblin
User34: hiya*
User35: o/
User34: howdy hobgoblin ?
User35: o/
User34: O_o
User35: ;) evening mohi2911
User34: hobgoblin, night :P
User10: heya hobgoblin
User35: no - it's definetly evening mohi2911 - hi ZachK_
User34: hobgoblin, its promisingly night. I can prove it
User35: my time stamp disproves you ;)
User31: User33 your cable modem doesn't seem to have a builtin router. http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/products/SBV5220/downloads/SBV5220_UG.pdf doesn't mention it anyway
User31: ohh.. a real hobgoblin! may I touch you?
User34: hobgoblin, try looking at sun and see the clock running on it xD
User35: User31 depends on whether you want your hand bitten off or not ...
User35: User34 sun? I live in england ...
User34: I live in LAND :P
 * bobo123 touches far away from teeth-area
User35: which sounds eerily worse ...
User6: anyone know anything about backtrack 4
User36: !ot>zero
User6: ?
User36: !ot|zerodeath50435
User14: zerodeath50435: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!
User6: oh ok
User36: User6 /j #remote-exploit
User6: I am running it in vbox and cannot get the share files to work
User36: User6 NMD it's #backtrack-linux.  sorry
User36: User6 take it to the pro's: /join #backtrack-linux
User6: says I cannot join I am banned I have never been their before
User36: User6 try diff nick
User4: Really easy BASH question that I can't believe I can't remember... what does `$@' indicate?
User28: Much better
User37: how could I run a cron job that requires root privileges?
User38: User37 You can add the job to /etc/crontab, then run sudo crontab /etc/crontab
User39: User38 no. /etc/crontab has a different syntax
User39: and it's read independantly from the users' crontabs
User28: Start with "crontab -e" under root login
User28: I think
User28: Back in a bit
User39: sudo crontab -e
User4: sud-- that
User28: Yep
User28: Thought so
User28: ;)
User4: Don't need to root login :P
User38: Personal preference - I've never used crontab -e, but kept the literal files and run crontab. /etc/crontab has clearly changed since I last used it...
User39: you can also edit /etc/crontab. it has an additional field to specify which user to run it as
User40: hello?
User4: !help modelf_
User14: Factoid 'help modelf_' not found
User4: !help |modelf_
User14: User40 Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
User40: !help
User14: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
User4: No no, I mean that was for you, modelf_
User4: Just go ahead and ask ;-)
User31: how do I scan with ubuntu "simple-scan" ? when I try i just says  "Misslyckades med att lÃ¤sa in" "Kan inte ansluta till bildlÃ¤sare" (failed to read in, couldnÃ¤t connect to scanner) but it must have had some connection since it have its name in the settings-dialogbox.
User31: If I try to start simple-scan from the command line instead it says some more: "[snapscan] Cannot open firmware file /usr/share/sane/snapscan/your-firmwarefile.bin" "[snapscan] Edit the firmware file entry in snapscan.conf". but.... how do I do that and then what shall I write?
User31: btw, wouldn't it be nice if those error messages that is only written in the terminal window, would be shown in the error-dialogbox when the program is not started from a terminal window but the program-menu (as one normally do) ?
User40: hey bobo123
User40: I just started using all this stuff
User40: but i think you're question would probably get a better answer in the #ubuntu channel
User40: it seems to be pretty active in there as far as Q and A
User31: User40 ok
User10: User40 bobo123 we try to answer all we can here but as this is a team not just a help channel we do all manners of david49@example.net sometimes we seem to not be there or like we don't care but we're trying!
User31: seems to be that the scanner doesn't have any firmware in it, in windows that is copied to the scanner during start. good thing I still have windows installed because agfa seems not to support their scanners anymore.
User31: note to self: never buy anything from agfa
User10: lol
User31: btw, is it possible to have when I search for a file, it show the path to the found file not just the filename?
User31: to show path shoud've really been default I might say... I guess that would be future feature request....
User15: User31 What did you use to find the file?
User40: hey zach
User40: i just got your email
User10: User40 ah i take it you're Chris?
User40: is there a shortcut to that thing where you put the person's name in front of the text, or do you guys just type that?
User40: yeah i'm chris
User10: what client are you using to chat with
User40: LostIRC
User10: ok then this should work
User10: to put the name in front of the text you
User10: type the persons name like for me start typing the "Z" and hit the "Tab" key
User40: User10 ah
User10: got it?
User40: gottcha
User40: thanks
User10: :D
User40: terminal trix
User10: lol
User10: ok so questions....whatcha wanna know
User40: I'm gunna set up a wiki page
User10: ok
User10: do you have an account on Launchpad?
User40: what's Launchpad, you mentioned it in your email
User40: not yet.
User10: https://launchpad.net/
User31: User15 just the Search for files... in the Go menu in the filemanager
User31: Weehaaa! I can scan! :-D
User40: haha congrats
User15: User31 You can try using "locate FILENAME" from the terminal.
User40: oh i guess i did have an account for launchpad.net
User10: lol
User40: it linked through Ubuntuone, which i just registered for
User40: the day before
User10: ok did you sign the CoC
User40: If that was part of the registration process, I probably did the other day when i registered with one.ubuntu
User10: what is your launchpad profile url
User40: https://launchpad.net/~christopherkmoore1
User40: oh i haven't
User40: i'll check into that now
User10: yes you need to sign the Code of Conduct
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