User1: whats is the open topic chanal again I just got e verything running in utopic unicorn and though i had too search around  its allworking fine
User2: !ot
User3: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
User2: User1 is that what you mean?
User1: yes
User4: hello! xubuntu 14.10 turns blank after 10 min while watching flash video. how can i disable blank while playing it?
User4: help!
User5: !help | wlxmhls
User3: User4 Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
User6: !help
User3: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
User7: Good morning. I come here in a panic because I appear to have lost the partition xubuntu is installed on. Booted, got grub rescue. Googled, did ls and tried to find boot on each of the three, but got unknown file system. Now Im booted to a livecd (which goes extremely slow on this old computer) and I see the ntfs partition on the hard drive, but not the xubuntu one. Started Gparted and it has been searching for about 15 minutes, s
User7: 3 showing ni grub rescue were (hd0), (hd0,msdos2) and ...msdos1
User7: gparted is ";searching /dev/sda partitions"
User7: sorry for typing, on a tiny bluetooth keyboard on my kindle. heh
User7: I'm not a bad Windows dude historically, but I'm rather a Linux newbie. Been using xubuntu for my OS for about a year now, learning slowly.
User7: Aww, everyone's asleep on a Sunday morning. lol
User7: Up to 20 minutes on gparted searching. How long before I should give up? lol
User8: daychile are you using the CLI?
User8: daychilde are you using the CLI?
User7: At the moment, booted into livecd
User7: with gparted now at 25min searching. heh
User8: this means that you can boot with your ubuntu?
User8: this means that you can't boot with your ubuntu?
User8: sorry
User7: No worries, sorry to be verbose. Right, booting computer without livecd, it boots to grub rescue, and all three listed partitions say unknown file system
User7: if you specifically mean ubuntu as opposed to xubuntu, don'lt have one, but can make one
User7: I know they're using NTFS because I was dual-booting windows
User8: daychilde have a look here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc_y7OYzXtQ
User7: Had found something similar, though they said to set boot to whichever one /boot existed on, which was none of my three. If I try each one, will I harm anything? If not, I'll give it a go :)
User7: What I'd found said to do "ls", which returned the three results I mentioned above. Then it said to do, e.g. "ls (hd0)/boot" to find which one had boot, but each on returned unknown file system for me, so I stopped...
User7: Just did more googling and found the "set" command, which reveals that cmdpath=(hd0), prefix=(hd0)/boot/grub, root=hd0
User7: So I just ran: set boot=(hd0)
User7: then ran: insmod normal
User7: which returned: error: unknown filesystem
User7: running set again shows that boot is now = to (hd0)
User7: rebooting returns me to grub rescue
User7: So to be clear: boot entry was missing, but now set again, and prefix indicated which of the three partitions to use, I assume.... although still unknown file system (which is known to be ntfs)
User9: User7 how is this a xubuntu problem? maybe try #grub and/or ##windows
User7: Because I'm a newbie and I don't know what's related to what. It'ls not a Windows problem for sure, I haven't booted into Windows for months. But I'll give #grub a go, thanks
User9: xubuntu issues are mainly specific to the actual desktop environment
User9: maybe you could also ask in #ubuntu
User7: ok, thank you
User9: :)
User10: hello
User11: gateway error 55500
User11: Comment allez-vous ?
User12: I'm french.
User13: !fr | Chromtrast
User3: User12 Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en franÃ§ais, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
User12: It's not problem.
User12: ubottu > Do you speak french ? :o:
User3: User12 I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
User12: Oki.
User13: then please explain where you have that error
User12: knome > It's just when i am online but It's resolved
User13: ok
User14: hi people, I have a problem with transfering files to my htc. I get VERY slow rates and thunar gets very laggy. Any idea y?
User12: !en Chromtrast
User12: !fr Chromtrast
User12: Reuh.
User7: About to reinstall xubuntu from livecd. Previously had trouble with boot partition being too small, so I was thinking of creating the partitions myself, but I'm a newbie and reading online I'm not sure what to do. Anyone have time to advice me what partitions to create, perchance?
User15: I just make a root and a home partition
User7: so... say... a gig for root... ext4?, then the rest for /home also ext4?
User7: or actually.... /home should be not that large, and... I know I sound dumb, but just new... root should have a decent amount of space....
User12: I like Xubuntu on VirtualBox. :)
User16: aloha
User16: I suddenly seem to have free 100GB partition (friend's setup, some reqs changed) that was ntfs, which I would like to format to ext4 and mount as /home
User16: do I just format it, mount it somewhere as say tmphome, rsync with home, edit fstab and reboot
User16: considering that homedir is encrypted, does that have anything to do with it
User16: so guys, any tips on moving encrypted home dir to new partition
User17: User16 disable encryption, rsync, enable encryption
User16: User17 can you point me how to disable encryption (first time I ever used it)
User16: I don't care if I lose it tbh
User16: or is it readily available (alt tabbing and googling)
User17: you better google for the precise description of doing that. I'm sure google knows
User16: oh, basically just copy it
User16: and encryption is gone
User16: (from another user preferably)
User18: hello any one ca i install Xubuntu in my server linux ? withaut additional hardware ?
User18: can Xubuntu install on my VPS (OpneVZ) ?
User16: guys help me out here
User16: last thing I did was: sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
User16: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
User16: and rebooted
User16: and now I get login prompt, I enter correct pass, then i get 1 sec like it's loading then  1-2 sec of black screen and back to login prompt
User16: (other accounts login fine)
User16: where do I start to look for fubar
User2: User16 your xfce session
User2: User16 the one for the "account" that is failing, which, i assume means one specific user
User16: User2  thanks, fixed it, was root user
User2: !root
User3: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
User2: User16 you shouldnt have a root user.. and should consider leaving it stock.. with sudo
User16: yeah dunno what i was thinking
User16: thing is
User16: I made horrible mistake, I am doing this as a favour to friend
User16: (and his mom, it's a little off topic story, he's great guy, I owe him much, always helping everyone, and he is currently being targeted politically in media because he is on the shortlist for becoming basically 2nd man in police in my country
User2: !ot
User3: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
User16: so corrupt politicians are now smearing his name in the media, he even got arrested for one morning)
User16: and his mom is worried sick, so he asked me to fix one secure machine for him and for his mom to use as well
User16: so stupidly I enabled encrypt home dir when I was installing xubuntu
User16: (i said a little OT, it's a bit related)
User2: User16 reagardless, none of that matters.. security is a balance between convenience and safety
User16: yeah, and now, he agreed that we kill his old winxp install on which his mom is used
User16: and I virtualized it
User16: and now I got 100 GB partition that I would like to mount as /home
User16: but as you can guess, encrypted home dir is obstacle
User16: I found like 5-6 guides, every single one is different
User16: and I know that swap is also encrypted, so I dunno what to expect, and I spent like last 15 hours configuring everything, everything is ready, VM is finally working (after he agreed to let me virtualize XP)
User16: and now I don't know what to do :S
User16: I mean, i configured everything, from tons of software, their cloud storage accounts, chromium/chrome/firefox extensions
User16: every single thing
User16: and now I risk losing everything :S
User2: User16 well, you lose everything, since all hard drives fail..
User16: so holstein if you have some tip how to disable encryption of home dir I would be most grateful, he is waiting for machine (actually his mom is) I've been doing this whole day (and good part of the night before)
User16: why oh why did I enable homedir encryption
User19: User16 If security is the most important factor (as it sounds), I'd cut my losses, start all over and do it correctly.  Otherwise you run the chance of leaving a big hole you don't know about.
User2: yes.. i agree with drc .. reinstall, start fresh properly..
User2: User16 you need to think about what encryption does, and if you even need it
User2: User16 encryption, for example, doesnt do anything when the user is logged in, the partition or drive is open and in use, and the the user is compromised
User19: The only thing that would cause me to encrypt would be a really good chance that someone I didn't want would have physical access to the computer itself.
User19: Plus what holstein said^
User16: yeap, so no point in encryption, I didn't reasearch, I mean I know for that option for like years, never tried it
User16: and he absolutely doesn't need it
User19: Live and learn, especially the last :)
User16: because I will provide him with a vpn, since we don't hide anything from the world
User16: sec coffee
User2: User16 what a VPN do?
User2: User16 you are trusting your VPN server.. the copper where you are and where the VPN is.
User2: User16 you really need to research *all* of these tools, and understand the actual risk
User2: User16 setup these things, and try and break them.. see what you are trusting, and how.. and why.. what do you own? and who can "touch" the path or the connection
User2: User16 you can /join a security channel for more information, but, the best take away for you is.. trust no one.. and nothing
User2: User16 anytime you have a sentence that goes "im afraid.." address that fear, and remove it
User2: User16 it may be, your "friend" cant use the internet, and shouldnt.. and shouldnt be online at all
User16: well, he is only lets say "informately" surfing
User16: his mother is worried sick and is following every news article, his FB support page etc etc
User16: other means of posting content
User16: I mean aside the interviews and what newspapers/tv usually spew
User2: User16 none of that negates any of the facts
User2: User16 if *anyone* is online, they are exposed
User16: I completely agree with you
User2: User16 the only sure way to be "safe" online is to get offline.. that being said, there are steps you can take, and tools you can use. but, you have to research them
User16: but thing is, I can't devote myself 24/7, tomorrow afternoon, I am traveling with fiancee to capitol, for important medical exam
User2: User16 sure.. so, you quote a rate, and leave the job as you can do it..
User16: no, this is all his friends, we do everything to support him
User16: you can give fb like if you want, at fb page is called "pravda za zorana brdjanina" (means justice for Zoran Brdjanin)
User16: completely voluntary, his friends, people whose life he touched in some way, because he is really awesome guy, always helping, always with a smile, always trying to do good
User2: User16 you get what you pay for.. make no guarantees, state the risks..
User16: I am actually music producer, kinda retired, I can write some code, just due to sheer volume of years spent using the computers
User16: so my knowledge is next to none compared to you guys, never did any of this professionally, I mean I did some small things, but I am faaar from expert on the subject, and this being specific surrounding, we don't have the people who can do things that are required to be as safe as possible
User2: User16 the facts are searchable
User2: User16 you research each step...
User2: User16 safe as possible is *not* the goal.. safe as needed is
User2: User16 as i stated, and you can see no one disagrees, and you wont search and find one that disagrees, safe as possible is to get offline
User2: User16 other than that, if all the man wants is to search the internet, give him a live cd.. tails, and dont save *anything* ever.. take the hard drive out of the computer
User2: use something like lastpass.. research 2 factor authentication.. dont trust it either.. etc
User16: how? I am like most tech savvy person from the crew, and he needs to read news (this isn't meant for posting content), and his mother is worried sick
User16: yeah that was the plan for her account
User2: User16 sure.. address the worry with education
User2: User16 you need to thin this out, and address the issues and the people one at a time.. stop trying to please everyone completely.. sometimes "no" *is* the answer
User16: ramen
User16: oh well 25 min till backup is complete
User16: then I try to mount free partition as /home, if it dies, another night w/o sleep, have to, tomorrow we (me and fiancee) are traveling to hospital, and will be absent for three days
User16: and I need to return him laptop till then
User2: User16 you seem to be assuming encrypting the home partition makes him safer online
User2: User16 it doesnt
User2: User16 the "best" would be, as i stated, remove the hard drive.. dont let him save *anything* ever.. and use tails.. its made for that
User16: i know, I don't assume, it was stupid mistake when I was installing, then I read about it and figured it is pointless
User16: but this is not the box for posting content anyway, just reading news sites that are public
User19: +1  Live DVD, no hdd...start over when you get back and have time to research what you really want/need.
User2: https://tails.boum.org/
User2: User16 its not a "stupid mistake".. its an assumption.. its the wrong tool for the job
User16: it is stupid tho, because it offers no benefit and now it made me waste hours and hours trying to figure how to mount new /home partition
User19: And from it sounds like, Tails was/is the <right> tool for you/him/her.
User16: reading up now
User16: I was thinking of something like that for posting
User16: I am not admin of fb page, it is some women, wife of another policeman, she is refusing any suggestions, so we are kinda losing momentum, so google+ page needs to be up asap
User2: User16 fb is also not the right tool
User16: I should have all the content ready when I am back, and I was thinking of using tor and/or vpn for posting
User16: well, I have nothing to do with it, it was the outraged people
User16: who started the page
User2: User16 sure, so you say "you are causing a security issue with that tool, and i cant help you with that"
User2: User16 "no" *is* the answer, sometimes.. as i said
User16: neither him or me have no control over fb page
User16: it's completely fan driven
User2: User16 then, its nothing you have to touch, at all ..ever
User16: which is good in it's own way
User2: User16 and, its irrelevant
User19: then don't use it (the fb page)
User16: only if (she) didn't started slacking last couple days
User16: we don't, never posted anything there, still gathered over 1500 likes in 2 days with 0$ spent, which is considering that over the year (when it's not summer season) there are like 5000-10000 people in the city is awesome
User16: but then she stopped posting, and he needs any media attention he can get
User2: User16 mom? who is worried?
User16: his mom, wife mostly, they read, and they can read, as long as him, or me don't touch anything there
User2: User16 that is a case for education..
User16: forget about it
User16: this is montenegro
User2: User16 its *you* who cant forget about it.. you are asking, and discussion security..
User2: disscussing*
User16: we are like 30 years behind the world, and people like his mom, or my mom are barely able to open fb and it won't change soon
User2: User16 then, they shouldnt be using the tools.. period.. you know this
User16: well I have pretty good idea (still need more research) what to do when we need to post content (or email it to certain reporters)
User2: User16 anyways. this is *way* offtopic, and im happy to discuss in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel..
User16: let's move there
User16: and right now I am not that worried about security, I am more worried about mounting this stupid partition and somehow disabling homedir encryption to be honest
User2: just backup, as you should regardless, and reinsatll
User16: 9 mins remaining
User16: you think all guides to disable homedir encryption are flukes?
User16: everyone suggests slightly different thing
User16: I was thinking simply format the newly available partition as ext4, mount is temporary somewhere, rsync, edit fstab, reboot and profit
User2: User16 i didnt say that.. im saying, i think i would spend more time fiddling with that, and i can just resinsatll and do it properly in minutes
User16: but configuring all software, extensions, (i put 3 different browsers because I am unsure which she will prefer), set everything I could think of to make her transition to linux smoother because she really isn't tech savvy
User16: I can't do that in minutes, it takes hours
User16: for me at least
User2: you need those backed up regardless
User2: that hard drive is going to fail.. back up the configs for everything
User16: yeah, I have everything backed up, just that I had to convert vmware machine for virtualbox
User16: and now that it's set up, that backup is eating most of the time, rest is backed up already
User2: User16 if you have "everything" backed up, then, it doesnt take hours to put the configs back in place
User16: it takes almost 2 hours to copy his vm (old laptop, no gigabit network connection)
User2: why do it over a network, at all.. that is also a security issue ;)
User16: well, it's not _that_ hardcore :), as I said we are like 30 years lagging behind the world
User2: then, you accept the compromise
User16: he is the only cop in the country (who btw passed all positions in his career, from apprentice, to station chief) with FBI training (invited by US gvmt, and completed training with honors)
User16: he was basically picked for fighting against corruption
User16: and now the "machine" is sticking it to him, smearing his public image, and he is 100% clean and honest.
User16: can you imagine this, he is being charged with corruption, for something he had to do upon insisting of high ranking gvmt official in the city he was chief of police, which was, prolong working visa for 7 physical workers who were finishing daycare center for persons with disability...
User16: as someone in the news commented (since that official was highest ranking member of ruling political party in the city), what would happen if he refused? (we are aware that whole thing was a setup)
User16: backup complete
User16: now to decide upon one of 4634643 methods I found and hope for the best. (any tips welcome)
User16: (btw tails rocks)
User16: as far as I read which isn't much
User2: User16 there are many tips.. you just have to research, and try.. there is no one single answer, or tool.. or way to accomplish this
User16: User2 how this looks to you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#How_to_Remove_an_Encrypted_Private_Directory_Setup
User2: User16 as i said, for me, personally, i feel i can do it, both quicker, and more reliably, by reinstalling and building what i want from scratch.. but, it really doesnt matter how it looks to me
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