User1: ciao all
User2: yes
User2: oh, ok
User2: i'll
User2: ok :)
User2: np. how about my another patch for sidebar.inc.php ?
User2: teamstuff/doc.ubuntu.com/sidebar.inc.php
User2: imo, it has been added by mdke just couple of hrs back
User2: ?
User2: correct
User2: ok
User3: hey rob^
User3: yea, hows it going
User3: just been busy with life in general
User3: i am finally getting some of my free time back
User3: hopefully i can start working on some docs again
User3: neat, i was just reading that thread
User2: rob^: thankx for the commit
User3: i just sat down this evening to catch up of whats been going on
User3: rob^, by the way, great job seeing the guide through to completion for breezy
User2: rob^: subversion is good ;)
User2: 'patch -p0 < patch_file' would apply the patch, imo!
User2: ok ok
User4: hi all
User4: what's wrong with doc.u.c? All that shows is the kde directory - no index page, nada
User2: going on vacation. will be back on nov 02 2005
User4: wow, just remembered (via a chat on #ubuntu) what a horrific mess all the dialup modem stuff is in the wiki...
User4: nobody on the docteam actually uses dialup, I guess... ;)
* mdke arives
User5: oh great
User5: just reading the last email from sebastiano mestre
* mdke takes a few deep breaths
User5: yeah
* rob^ doesn't see it
User5: marketing thread
User5: yeah
User5: btw rob^ I caught you using the term "admin guide" again... i think we need to spec the guide out before making any changes: it's important we get the division between the docs just right
User5: otherwise we might end up losing material or duplicating it
User5: DocteamProjects
User5: i watch your every move o.o
User5: have a hack at this:
User5: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide
User5: let's see if we can get an outline
User5: ah awesome
User5: moved from FAQGuide?
User5: ok cool
User5: i think it would help get clear where we are gonna go
User5: plenty of time though
User5: yeah i saw
User5: we also need to sort out this ccbysa business
User5: no, you uncommented my comments from yesterday :)
User5: what does?
User5: exactly
User5: i commented it out as a quick workaround because kquickguide wasn't building, but in doing so I broke desktopguide
User5: now, your revert means that kquickguide still isn't building
User5: i'm not sure the reason...
User5: we need to find a situation where everything works :D
User5: possibly a problem with inconsistent headers between the licence and some of the docs
User5: yes, although that is a bit of a workaround too
User5: we need to have a good look at stuff
User5: erm
User5: entities should work too
User5: well the entities in the kquickguide don't work
User5: if you know how to fix it, tel me!
User5: nice
User5: i'll bookmark em
User5: gtg now, bbl
User5: right, which was that?
User5: ah yes
User5: Metacity?
User5: joachim-n, the reason was that it led to an empty page
User5: we don't add guides to that page until they are well developed
User5: in the case of "Metacity" there was no content
User5: I don't know
User5: wicked
User5: :)
User5: so you never got those mails about the marketing team?
User5: ah
User5: i've continued off list with him
User5: we argue better in Italian :)
User5: rob^
User5: is it cool if I rename that wiki page to DesktopGuide
User5: just for the sake of consistency
User5: i'll fix links
User5: we should split the preface stuff out
User5: how come that is inline in the doc?
User5: hmm
User5: i think we should definitely share that love
User5: ooh
User5: which one?
User5: my gf went to italy today so I need to watch some films
User5: you've seen it right?
User5: ahhhh
User5: i can't get enough of it
User5: i love the easy to watch films
User5: can we change the time of the meeting next week?
User5: lol
User5: always having the meeting at 1400UTC is an issue for me
User5: *cough* later
User5: something like 2100?
User5: 22?
User5: when does the next day start?
User5: bit early
* mdke considers 23
User5: i think the CC does 23
User5: yeah well friday nights or weekends are good for me
User5: anyway a reasonable rotation should make everyone happy
User5: sorry about nuking the preview server yesterday btw
User5: typo :)
User5: you mean an Ubuntu member
User5: a member of the CC would put you in a group of 4
User5: no, it was my cron jobs nuking everything
User5: i will do rsync from now on
User5: :)
User5: segfault, ping?
User5: ah i haven't had a proper look yet
User5: i need to get a better working knowledge of the Starter guide
User5: k
User5: what is the status of a kubuntu starter guide?
User5: ok
User5: i think they still need to sort out what docs they are gonna write for dapper so we'll let them decide that
User5: whoosh
User5: that outline looks good
User5: is there a "root and sudo" section in the desktop guide too?
User5: yeah we need to have prominent information about "root"
User5: it is something Ubuntu does badly IMO
User5: spec looks great
User5: only comment I would have is that I would envisage trying to make it a little more accessible for a new user
User5: probably via the titles
User5: rob^, don't forget that we might just be talking about a guy who wants a desktop with apache
User5: he'll setup his desktop with the desktop guide
User5: then he'll want to be able to find "webserver" in the server guide
User5: nah, that's real common
User5: basically what it comes down to is this IMO
User5: making it clear that the server guide is not just for people who install ubuntu server
User5: it can also be for people who run a desktop but want to learn basic services like http or ftp or ssh
User5: don't you think?
User5: yeah
User5: we need a way to have the stuff that a new user would look for to be accessible
User5: i think it can all be done in the structure and titles
User5: ahh
User5: is that what you do eh
User5: no wonder that outline is so l33t
User5: you've ruined the "spy" idea for me though
User5: well have we ever produced any pdfs for our guides?
User5: yeah ok let's do it
User5: sure
User5: no reason why not
User5: :)
User5: you sound like a gentoo user
User5: hmm
User5: i like gentoo :)
User5: yeah
User5: gentoo is inherently buggy by its release process
User5: and I was spending too much time on administering my system
User5: it's not for speedgain
User5: its the extra control you get over what to build and what not to build
User5: indeed
User5: i've converted my home server to Ubuntu too
User5: i'm 100% ubuntu friendly
User5: ahhh, if you're gonna compile, it's all about gentoo
User5: portage is the best
User5: argh
* mdke discovers a way to rescue lost pages in Moin
User5: eureka
User5: it's a pain when people delete pages accidentally
User5: we also need to find a way to include the help.u.c headerlogo into all our built docs
User5: that would be nice
User5: and doc.u.c on the preview ones
User5: yeah
User5: exactly
User5: don't you think?
User5: see
User5: http://help.ubuntu-it.org/guidabreezy/index.html
User5: i did that by hand though :/
User5: yeah
User5: known bug
User5: i moved the revision history manually
User5: yes
User5: that will hopefully come if we get the wiki moved
User5: :)
User5: we added the Guide one yesterday
User5: we'll see how it goes
User5: yeah
User5: something to aim for in time for dapper
User5: i'm discussing it with henrik and he is keen
User5: it will take some time though
User5: first thing is to get the wiki there
User5: bye mate
User6: hello
User5: hi jsgotangco
User5: how's it going?
User6: not bad i got to steal some time again now
User6: hehe
User5: :)
User5: i'm playing with planet
User5: http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output/
User5: feedback pls
User6: what about hackergotchi stuff?
User5: i think that can be floated in the top right of each post
User5: what do you think?
User5: or should it be on the left?
User5: i personally have no hackergotchi
User6: well your peers would probably like one
User6: although it would look strangely too much like planet gnome...
User5: sure I have nothing against them
User5: it's just a question of where to put them
User6: the left is most appropriate i guess
User6: where is ubuntupeople hosted? a private server?
User5: not sure
User6: who revision 1999
User5: heh
User5: quick!
* mdke tries to make a hackergotchi
* mdke has made his first hackergotchi
User7: User5 hackergotchi, that's the pics on launchpad, right?
User5: with a bloody mousepad no less
User5: highvoltage, i think it means any picture of your head
User5: hard to cut out your head with a synaptics touchpad
User7: ah
User7: i just used a southpark pic of me. https://launchpad.net/people/jonathan
User7: wow. you have karma of 400.
User6: yeah he's pretty active in lp
User5: it's from pushing through italian translations
User5: highvoltage, jsgotangco, do either of you know how to use gimp?
User7: i know a bit of gimp, i'm not a master though.
User5: i've made my head, but am finding it hard to get big drop shadows on it
User5: http://mdke.org/mdke_take1.png
User6: not much really
User6: not bad.
User6: add a drop shadow
User5: there is one, but it is not fat enough
User6: lol i thought it was a faded pixel...
User5: yeah similar
User6: you changed the color of your website to brown...
User5: yeah
User5: got bored of green
User6: wow your folks went to ayers rock
User5: ugh
User5: i need to get rid of those photos :D
User5: ah there is only that one
User5: phew
User6: yeah that pic of you and your gf is obviously scanned
User5: yeah
User5: i don't have many
User6: cute nonetheless
User7: User5 strange, i wouldn't recognise that as you. your hair was darker when i was in london, right?
User5: not really
User5: i took that photo just now
User5: i don't _think_ it's changed colour :)
User5: might just be the light
* jsgotangco will try to do a crazy hackergotchi later
User5: heh
User5: i'll try and figure out these damn shadows
User5: highvoltage, did you mean "i wouldn't recognise that as you" in a good way, or a bad way...
User7: User5 you need to paste your head on a transparent background
User5: oh
User5: k
User7: then Script-fu -> Shadow -> drop shadow
User5: yeah i was there
User7: cool! you have a go-opensource sticker on your pc!
User5: heh
User5: from you
User7: User5 with the white background? that would come out weird.
User5: hmm
User5: ok how do I get the background transparent?
User5: I select the head, then do autocrop right?
User7: i use a longer method, i'm sure there's a better way.
User7: what i do is select the head, copy it,
User7: then create a new image, choose transparent bg, then past the image on the transparent bg.
User5: ok
User6: i just used my last sticker from RMS on my laptop
User5: highvoltage, where do I get the transparent background?
User6: User7 do you notice your head is well position here to look like you have horns http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/52389877/
User5: oh yeah that would be awesome
User7: User5 in the new picture dialog, you can click on 'more options' (or something like that) and choose transparent bg
User5: ok trying
User7: User6 hehe. yes.
User5: ok now i need to figure out how to get a fatter shadow
* mdke increases blur radius
User7: User6 i still don't know what you look like, you have a hackergotchi?
User6: User7 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/13246813/in/set-367688/
User6: i'm the tired-looking asian :)
User5: show him your daughter
User5: (he has the cutest daughter)
User6: oh yeah
User7: User6 where was that taken?
User7: ah, udu. sorry, to lazy to read :)
User8: jsgotangco, nice pic :)
User6: User8 hey you're still awake as well :)
User8: yup
User8: waiting for early breakfast before fasting
User8: i wonder where i could get that lovely ubuntu brown shirt....
User5: gah
User5: i still can't get the shadow fatter
User6: User7 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/5166461/in/set-367801/ is my wife and daughter
User5: :)
User8: your daughter is cute :)
User6: she's grown already...and her hair is longer now
User8: how old is she now?
User6: will be 4 on january
User8: please say hi to your wife and daughter from indonesia :-)
User6: she just started taking e.nopi classes
User7: User6 cool, i didn't even realise you were married :)
User6: where are you exactly?
User7: me or Belutz?
User8: jsgotangco, me? i'm currently in jakarta
User6: Belutz
User6: ahhh nice
User8: before that i was in bandung for 10 years
User6: i got the chance to visit jakarta and bali before
User5: argh
User5: so close :)
User5: http://mdke.org/mdke_take2.png
User8: i've never been to bali
User6: well you do hvae a huge country to begin with
User6: he
User6: heh
User8: nice one mdke :)
User8: jsgotangco, yup
User5: it's badly cropped at the sides though
User8: oh damn, i was installing the breezy preview :-(
User8: gotta get rid of that cd
* mdke thinks it's time for dapper
User8: yep, i was suppose to install breezy release... :p
User5: http://mdke.org/mdke_take3.png
User5: that's enough for now
User5: thanks highvoltage for those tips
User6: getting better
User5: still not perfect
User5: but I can't be bothered to improve it without a mouse
User9: User5 pong
User5: segfault, sorry I forgot to unping ya
User5: thanks though
User9: heh, np
User5: segfault, i was installing planet on ubuntu-it and wanted your advice
User5: but I resolved
User5: not sure if you did the BR one anyhow
User9: i didn't, but could as who did
User9: have you seen it?
User9: err, s/as/ask/
User5: yeah
User5: looks good
User5: but I sorted it out
User5: my main problem was where to download the software
User9: hehe
User9: planetplanet.org
User6: heh
User5: yeah but it's not obvious from the website
User5: I had to baz get it
User5: segfault, btw
User5: are you working on learnlinux?
User9: yeah, just playing around though
User9: i'm talking with jordi to get it into Rosetta
User5: can we take it out of our repository? is it hosted elsewhere?
User9: yes i guess
User9: do you know who uploaded it to the repo?
User5: sean
User9: i'll talk to them later to see how he generated the pdf ekirk@example.net
User9: err, him.
User5: cool
User5: i'll leave it in the repo for now
User5: but it shouldn't really be there, especially cos no one has used it
User9: heh
User6: User9 talk to sean, he admins the ekirk@example.net
User6: User9 lots of docs there as well, the open icdl, tuxlabs, etc.
User6: well everything tsf basically
User9: great, i'll mail him
User9: those docs looks good
User9: we're translating them to pt_BR
User6: User5 i'd remove it, its probably outdated now
User6: User5 or better inform the list i guess
User6: tsf has its own svn
User5: we'll leave it a couple of days then delete
User5: I've put it on the agenda for next week's meeting anyhow
User5: we need to clean house a bit
User5: jsgotangco, still around?
User6: yeah
User6: about to sleep though
User9: jordi: thanks!
User9: ops
User5: jsgotangco, http://help.ubuntu.com/output
User5: argh
User5: sorry
User5: jsgotangco, http://help.ubuntu-it.org/output
User6: hehe nice one already! just clean up the white pixels and make the shadow a bit thinner i guess
User5: what about the page?
User5: any suggestions?
User5: lemme just see if I can link the photo
User5: gah
User6: hmm try adding a border or somethign to separate between blog entries
User5: good idea
User5: done
User6: its getting better
User6: well i gotta sleep
User6: its 3am
User6: heh
User5: night
User5: crazy
User10: ciao
User5: hello
User10: sono roumen qui????
User10: hello
User10: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
User10: romenia here????
User5: no
User5: try #ubuntu-ro
User10: gratie
User10: merci
User5: :)
User10: bey
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