User1: Good morning
User2: User1 Good morning.
User1: hey TheMuso, long time no see! how are you?
User2: User1 Very well thanks, yourself
User2: ?
User1: User2 quite fine, thanks; shepherding distro tests these days, and refining the tools for that :)
User2: User1 Will you be in Malta?
User1: User2 yes I will, in the second week
User2: Thats the last week of May right? I'll be there in the last week of May.
User1: right, me too; 23rd to 30st
User2: Yeah same as me, I'll probably see you around at some point.
User3: pitti, are you familiar with the sbuild launchpad stuff?
User3: is it possible to add aliases to that will pull in PPA's?
User1: User3 I'm fairly familiar with sbuild, and I know that LP uses it; what do you mean?
User1: oh
User1: I saw a G+ post not too long ago about someone who wrote clever hooks
User1: User3 https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ChristopherHalseRogers/posts/24T9xSgTMEF
User1: User3 https://plus.google.com/u/0/+St%C3%A9phaneGraber/posts/KPTfpLKKF8J
User1: those might be useful
User3: pitti, yeh I am using the sbuild-launchpad-chroot
User1: but then again, sbuild hooks are rather simple to write
User3: pitti, right, the alias' are defined in a horrible shell script
User3: I somehow assumed they would be pulled from lp
User1: User3 yes, that's supposed to download LP's schroot tarballs
User4: good morning desktopers!
User5: hey seb128!
User4: didrocks, lut ;-)
User6: hallo
User4: hey Laney, how are you?
User3: pitti, yes it downloads a tarball, but seems the actual apt sources are just generated by lots of awk-ish
User7: User4 hi, do you happen to know what "CRITICAL - findToken(): disabled account "ubuntuone" 1 " means in ubuntu-system-settings? I'm trying to add my u1 account on my n4 with utopic and its grayed out :/
User5: hey Laney!
User6: hey seb128 & didrocks
User7: User4 it looks just like when I was playing with the u8/mir session on the desktop, not sure though the log message is the same. any hints how I can still add my u1 account on the phone? I need it to to the tests for a new click release
User6: I'm alright thanks, you?
User1: hey seb128
 * pitti waves to didrocks and Laney too
User5: I'm good, thanks! still a little bit cold here, but at least sunny
User5: guten morgen pitti :)
User6: howdy pitti
User6: we're supposed to have 17Â° and sun today
User6: luxury
User7: hey Laney and didrocks
User5: hey mvo!
User5: User6 waow ;)
User4: mvo, hey, no, try asking mardy?
User4: hey pitti
User4: Laney, what happened to the rain?!
User6: I told its mum that it was being mean to me and it got sent home
User4: hehe
User4: I hope it doesn't leave around here
User4: so far we have sun here as well at least ;-)
User8: User9 your boot failure, does it fail to boot or does it not boot into xorg?
User9: mlankhorst, I think it fails to boot into xorg
User8: can you try utopic? it has an updated mesa
User8: from what i can tell your pc should just work, does ssh work?
User8: if so, try apport-collect -p xorg 1319149
User8: User9 for the touchscreen you need qtbase-opensource-src from the sru queue :-)
User9: mlankhorst, I could not try utopic, as I had a lot of trouble getting the installer o run
User9: mlankhorst, unfortunately, I won't be able to debug much today, I have calls all day
User8: ok you can work on utopic, that's fine
User9: mlankhorst, you are certain it will work utopic?
User9: I'm not so sure
User8: neither
User8: what exactly is the issue?
User9: mlankhorst, first, uniquity does not load 9 times out of 10
User9: it stops at the screen with Ubuntu and the dots
User9: then, when I did get Trusty to install ...
User9: it booted once or twice, but also several times booted to a black screen
User9: though I could boot into recovery mode
User8: ok
User9: good morning desktoppers!
User9: seb128, didrocks, and others in Europe who are up o/
User10: moin!
User9: Sweet5hark,
User9: !
User9: moin you say?
User9: ===coffee activity===
User9: * Action: rickspencer3 to sip coffee
User10: User9 Its a universal greeting in northern germany. ;)
User9: Sweet5hark, nice to know!
 * rickspencer3 presumes Sweet5hark refers to "moin" and not * to sip coffee
User10: indeed.
User5: hey rickspencer3!
 * Sweet5hark sips his sugar-and-caffeine based coffee surrogate ...
User9: bonjour didrocks
 * rickspencer3 wonders why seb128 is avoiding him
User9: must be trying to figure out a way to get the Unity 8/Mir Desktop image off the plans
 * rickspencer3 starts escalating the requirements
User6: must self drive my car
User6: actually we have some prelimenary images there
User6: next step is that (IIRC) seb128 was going to boot one of them on his machine and see what more stuff we need to add to get it to work
User6: then see about getting it built in the normal way with dailies
User4: rickspencer3, salut
User9: moin, seb128
User9: ;)
User4: rickspencer3, sorry but there was food before you in the line ;-)
User9: seb128, maybe I should install a web cam in my house so you can see when I am getting coffee and be ready for my jokes in the morning?
User4: lol
User4: rickspencer3, I'm still amazed you manage to get up that early btw!
User9: seb128, it's 7:15am
User9: I live on teh East Coast now :)
User4: rickspencer3, right, but I saw joining like an hour ago
User9: hehe
User4: saw you*
User9: right
 * didrocks notes that seb128 put food before manager. Bad for you review dude!
User4: didrocks, next reviews are in a year right?
User9: when I get up I check my email for irc for fires first thing ;)
User4: but then we are going to have a new manager anyway :p
User9: lol
User5: yeah, you can "too late!" :)
User9: seb128, knows he can do no wrong in my eyes
 * seb128 hugs rickspencer3
 * rickspencer3 hugs seb128
User4: Laney, testing the iso on real hardware and tweaking the seed is still on my todolist
User4: I didn't manage to get to it after the meeting yesterday, I had accumulated some pings and backlog
User4: I hope to do that this afternoon ;-)
User9: seb128, when you do you think we can install that?
User9: couplle of weeks?
User4: rickspencer3, boot and test, by Malta
User9: seb128, sweet
User9: I'll have my new 11.6 inch dell with me
User9: we can convert it
User4: install ... let's see, with some luck that's working without needing to tweak too much
User4: good
User6: install should work if live does ...
User4: which one is that? inspiron 11?
 * Laney makes a bold statement
 * Laney regrets it
User4: lol
User4: Laney, I was thinking the same but I went for the "with some luck" statement ;-)
User10: User6 to boldly go where no unittest has gone before!
User9: seb128, yeah, I got the inspiron 11
User9: I was told that it "just works"
User4: rickspencer3, it does indeed ;-)
User9: my plan is to be all Unity 8/Mir asap
User4: rickspencer3, that's the machine I'm testing unity8/Mir on btw
User9: :0
User9: so, I will need chromium
User9: which supposedly already has a Mir backend
User4: qengho probably knows about that
User9: and I will need Qt, which supposedly already works :)
User4: right
User9: seb128, I'm setting up a call so that a few of us can discuss Gtk
User4: ok
User9: I'm getting slightly different stories from different people, so I thought we could just work it out on a call quickly
User4: would it make sense to wait for Malta to discuss it more?
User4: k
User9: seb128, no, I would like to have at least a rough plan by Malta
User9: so we can work the plan at the sprint :)
User4: k
 * darkxst is also wondering what is happening with gtk+
User4: you mean?
User4: upstream?
User3: seb128, no, I know what is happening upstream! in utopic!
User4: what do you want to know about GTK in utopic?
User3: seb128, what is blocking 3.12 would be a good start!
User4: it's being tested, we discussed it at the weekly meeting here (logs are available if you are interested)
User4: the main problem at the moment in GtkHeaderBar use in dialogs
User4: larsu is working on that to see what we can do to make them work on e.g Unity
User4: one of the changes required is to update our themes
User4: Lars said he's going to work on that
User4: we might need some Unity work as well
User4: then we need to decide if that's going enough or we need to patch GTK as well
User11: we definitely need support from unity for border-less windows
User11: it can't resize them right now
User11: and we'll need a patch if we want traditional title bars on dialogs
User3: seb128, right, I see, can't really help with unity/theming issues
User3: but gtk patches are more probable
User3: I would actually attend your meetings... if they weren't at a god awful time for me!
User11: User3 what do you mean by "more probable"
User3: larsu, that I could probably help there
User11: ah, right
User3: (as long as it doesn't involve theming!)
User11: you're really afraid of theming ;)
User11: tbh, most of this work involves theming at least a bit
User3: larsu, nope, just find C much more readable than CSS!
User11: ha, it's almost the same syntax man ;)
User3: larsu, syntax is not the problem, it just feels like I end up wasting hours anytime I start messing CSS
User3: (same for the couple of websites I have written)
User11: right, I know the feeling
User11: it's possible to write good css, but almost noone does it
User3: larsu, its possible to write good code in any language, but there are a bunch where no-one does!
User11: C isn't necessarily a good example of that, though
User12: bah
User3: I think GNOME C is pretty good in general
User12: so i just got a firefox update that told me to restart the browser with a popup ...
User12: when i clicked it didnt restart
User12: and now trying to start FF i only get a message about FF already running
User3: but certainly I have seen horror code in many languages
 * ogra_ wouldnt like to lose the ~300 tabs he has open across various windows
User11: User12 firefox should keep those even if it crashes (it shows you a "restore last session?" tab)
User11: User3 fair enoguh
User11: *enough
User12: larsu, well, it shows me "another instance is already running" ...
User11: User12 ya, kill -9 it first
User12: i'm looking for a safe way out of that :)
User12: ok
User11: wait.
User11: don't make me responsible
User11: if you loose all those tabs
User12: hah
User12: to late ... now i will blame you :)
User3: ogra_, why do you need 300 tabs?
User12: oh, wow
User12: 3188 ?        Sl   1799:52 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
User11: having 300 tabs open is some kind of insanity anyway
User12: that did run since quite some time
User12: well, i do actual work on my machine :P
User11: hm, new gtk also loses images in messages dialogs and centers its labels...
 * larsu wonders in how far we want to go to revert those
User11: User4 ?
User12: phew
User12: all fine ...
User11: User12 awesome :)
User12: it always restores all windows on one workspace though ... but thats something to blame unity for i guess ... not FF
User4: larsu, the less reverts the better, maybe check with design/mpt, what they don't flag "no no no" can stay?
User11: User4 good idea. I'll note those down and schedule a call / session in Malta with mpt
User4: larsu, looks like mpt should be in Malta the same week as we are, good ;-)
User11: yep
User11: \o/
 * Laney tries g-t with the transparency patch
User11: wheeeee
User6: it's a bit buggy
User6: it doesn't live update
User6: you have to toggle "use colours from system theme" to make changes take effect
User11: ugh
User11: that's annoying
User6: yeah probably just some missing signal bindings though
User11: I can have a look at that later
User10: User4 would there be a chance in Malta for me to present a widely a crazy lunatic vision for Ubuntu?
User8: libreoffice replacing unity as shell?
User4: Sweet5hark, to who? the team? Mark? ;-)
User12: will you show us the LibO click packages finally ?
User10: User4 the team, not (yet) Mark. It would be about packaging, so foundations would likely be the ones to consider it ultimately ...
User4: Sweet5hark, yeah, I'm sure we can organize that
User4: humpf
User4: Laney, would you take your rain back, please?
User12: no ! ... keep it in france ... we dont want it up here north
User6: please put your request in writing and it will be filed and processed in due course
 * Laney sets up the special processing area
User8: more red tape!
User4: :-(
User10: User12 hah, actually, it will most likely say click-packages are not the solution as they only solve a subset of the problem. ;) The idea goes much deeper, but might solve issues on a more fundamental level -- but it would be really something for the long run.
User12: Sweet5hark, well, the phone image will eventually take over the desktop
User12: i woudl actually expect us to move away from debs over the next few years
User12: (for endusers that is)
User12: using image based updates on the desktop (which means readonly rootfs) etc etc
User10: User12 yeah, the phone image might be a starting point of what I had in mind. And also yeah: debs are not part of that way to deploy anymore.  ;)
User4: ogra_, that's going to be challenging
User4: ogra_, did you read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-March/001856.html ?
User12: seb128, why ? just drop debs
User12: yes
User4: ogra_, if we "just drop debs" we don't have an usable desktop anymore
User4: we need to find a way to convert those to clicks first
User12: we just need to leave the old cruft behind ... use debs for building images, give them to developers that run in rw mode and perhaps to server people
User4: ogra_, except if you don't care for libreoffice, firefox, chromium, gimp, inkscape, etc
User12: for the rest just make the desktop identical to what we have on the phone today
User12: seb128, right, then you switch your image to writable mode and use it like you did before
User4: I though that was not supported?
User12: for the typical desktop user the image based approach works better ...
User4: "typical"
User12: it is not supported in the specific image design we use on the phones
User4: I guess you mean "if we include libreoffice, firefox, etc in the base image"?
User12: if you have an actual readonly partition instead of a bunch of loop mounted img files you can indeed do it in a supported way
User12: seb128, no, these should be clicks
User12: built from plain upstream ... without distro hacks we have to care for etc
User12: no more maintainer scripts ...
User12: system upgrades done in minutes instead of hours with predictable installations etc
User4: right
User4: well, we "just" have to convert our archive to clicks
User13: if we feel we are facing this question: we could reach out to firefox and libreoffice and i am sure with some moderate convincing power they might be happy to feed into our clickstore if that gives them the ability to ship what they want
User12: nah
User10: seb128, orga_:  are you both in Malta? from what I see you are both wrong ;)
User12: we only have to convert the UI apps to clicks
User4: Sweet5hark, lol
User4: ogra_, it's still a large stack of apps
User12: seb128, sure
User12: thats why i said "within the next years" :)
User4: right, fair enough
User4: asac, and sure, engaging with upstream to ramp that up is going to be useful/needed
User13: i think the ones that have upstreams that distribute binaries its not that hard. for those that only distribute sources and are not into the binary business like gnome, its indeed a bit more tricky
User12: why would you use binaries ?
User4: do we have a good story on "how to get your app published in the click store" for upstreams?
 * didrocks sees clouds nowâ¦ wonder if it's because of juju or seb128 sending them my way nowâ¦
User12: just use the source ... we have it already ... you just need to make the archive build a click package alongside
User13: User4 yes, just upload :)
User10: User13 using upstream binaries is insane for anything nontrivial
User13: User4 i know mozilla has been waiting for this ability for ages
User12: seb128, yeah, just push your locally built binary
User13: mozilla etc. have infrastructure to validate that their build works on ubuntu
User13: etc.
User13: they dont have many users, but if they would have thea bility to really distribute their stuff alongside our distro
User13: they surely would even invest more to make their experience shine by default on ubuntu
User13: anyway, its clear we probably need a deb story in the click/syustem image world somehow. afaik mvo and foudnations are working on that
User12: we dont :P
User12: we need to make sure that if you switch away from system image you can use debs
User13: User12 we dont?
User5: one source tree to rule them all :)
User12: imho we dont need any deb support in system-image setups
User5: but I have already made the point multiple times :p
User4: didrocks, well, the source tree is orthogonal to the apps distribution problem
User13: User12 well, so guess we could say that and pair it with the ability to convert things into your own system image
User13: to re-lock down
User13: :)
User13: lie what was on canoni-tech
User12: fi you have system-image you go with clicks ... if you want debs you switch to readwrite ... and cant go back
User4: didrocks, having one unified source tree doesn't give you libreoffice packages in the click store
User12: but then debs need to be properly supported indeed
User13: disable system image, use apt to fiddle, snapshot a system image, easy distribute :)
User5: User4 you should the subdirectory built binary and project that to the installed system
User13: User12 the part of the story where you cant go bad just doesnt feel good enough for our standards :)
User12: asac, and how would that work with the server side generated deltas ?
User13: sounds like a technical detail
User13: :)
User12: lol
User13: i am not saying that story is fully developed
User12: well, the design wont allow that
User13: but its one vector to maybe look at this
User12: my vector is that 80% of the users should be fine with s-i
User13: yes, for thtat i agree :)
User12: and the other 20 will happily just go with apt-get dist-upgarde
User13: actually 95% at least
User12: and stay there
User12: we just need to make sure that both work fine and that the switch works properly
User12: i wouldnt provide a switch to go back ..
User13: maybe its the right way to look at it
User13: buit lets see; the more we think the better our solutions get
User6: User11 I uploaded it to ppa:laney/experimental if you want to take a look
 * Laney biab
User13: and we have just started thinking :)
User13: hehe
User4: ogra_, well, your 80% of users being happy assume that we have clicks for libreoffice, chromium, firefox, gimp, pidgin, etc?
User13: User4 of course
User13: User4 we want t store full of useful killer apps
User13: open source, proprietary, games etc.
User12: seb128, yes, which means our builders need to roll clicks alongside the debs
User4: that seems like a pre-require
User13: how they get into the store and who is doing that is kind of secondary and technical detail i think.
User4: before using system images for desktop
User14: I'm not sure anyone will be happy about rebooting their desktop for daily security updates
User14: I sure hate as hell when I need to reboot my phone for updates :)
User7: User12 building them alongside seems to be tricky given that e.g. the file layout will have to be different for clicks (different sysconfdir for example)
User12: mvo, static builds ;)
User7: User12 right, but even then /etc will be different, plugin loading location, support files (like images)
User12: they will all be relative to the click root
User7: ./configure with the right options can do that, but it would be a build for click and a build for deb
User12: build a static deb ... dpkg -x into the click root ... roll a click package from that root ... done
User7: indeed, its totally doable, but "build alongside debs" sounds nicer than "repackage them"  :)
User7: but why would we use deb in this case? we could as well skip this step
User12: but we still want to provide the deb
User12: and we build it already
User12: the click creation should just happen alongside
User1: tjaalton, User8 is the provisional mesa MRE still a requirement from somewhere? we reviewed it during the last TB meeting
User14: User12 uhm, no, we're not going to start building everything statically
User12: indeed it could just build it differently or in aa separate way
User7: so debs would be for older distro releases? or why would we keep building it in this future?
User12: mvo, for people wanting to use a traditional setup
User1: tjaalton, User8 it provably caused at least one regression in a stable update (bug 1134974) which was never triaged, and in general it's by and large impossible to regression test that on all the world's hw
User15: bug 1134974 in mesa (Ubuntu) "compiz and other display misbehavior on HD4000 after xatracker/mesa components upgraded to 9.0.2-0ubuntu0.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1134974
User12: mvo, the idea is: everyone gets a system-image install ... people that want to still use debs switch that over to an apt-get based design with a single command ... they cant go back but still use the system like debian or the former ubuntu ... so you please developers
User4: pitti, aren't those updates required for new hardware enablement sometimes?
User1: User4 well, that's the tension -- breaking existing systems vs. enabling new ones
User1: so I'm asking where that request comes from (OEM team, etc.?)
User1: and whether these could rather live in e. g. backports
User4: we can't really have an LTS that doesn't run on newer hardware though
User1: well, we can't really have an LTS which breaks underneath you either :)
User4: indeed, a tricky balance as always ;-)
User1: so we either a way to do proper regression testing (but I think that's practically impossible) or confine the impact to new installations
User1: of course if we put it into the lts-backports pacakges or into the -backports pocket you'd have the same problem one update later
User16: User1 yes, they're needed
User1: so if it's e. g. enough to backport them for the 14.04.X releases, the -lts-backport approach seems better
User1: (even though it still doesn't guarantee regressions)
User1: so the TB is leaning towards revoking the MRE until we get a better approach here
User1: at least a plan how to catch regressions (and at the *very* least, triage incoming regression reports)
User1: User16 by whom? for what targets?
User1: ah, meeting time, will catch up later
User1: (just an invalid noise from hangouts, still listening)
User16: I tried to find the regression bug from the mesa bug list but couldn't
User16: and the noisy list is only 177 bugs long
User14: User16 do mesa updates get testing on our whole lab of certified hardware before they are pushed out to a release? (just curious)
User14: ie: how are we making sure we don't regress certified hardware from oems?
User16: we use piglit
User16: and used wider testing only when doing a major release update post-ff
User16: haven't received a bug via oem projects due to an update
User14: hrm, I gather most oem projects use intel hardware
User16: and blobs
User16: on nvidia/amd
User16: because they are sooo much easier
User16: really :)
User14: hehe
User16: still, upstream point releases get tested by others too, we're not in a void
User16: and it's mostly intel updates in them anyway
User16: hmm I lied
User16: so we've done 11 point-release sru's, and got one regression that fell through the cracks?
User16: which probably got fixed by the next point-release
User16: User1 by me for instance who's waiting for some of the broadwell diff in 10.1..10.2 to get in the next point-release
User14: User16 well, the regression that fell through the cracks was worrisome
User16: which bug was it?
User16: couldn't find it
User1: bug 1134974 (see above)
User15: bug 1134974 in mesa (Ubuntu) "compiz and other display misbehavior on HD4000 after xatracker/mesa components upgraded to 9.0.2-0ubuntu0.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1134974
User4: (thanks to whoever got the bot back here)
User16: ah so it didn't even have severity set
User1: yeah, as I said it wasn't triaged at all
User16: well it's a hybrid so dunno
User16: still, 12.04.2 got the same update and most machines that used it were IVB based, so I'd say this was something that went wrong on his install only
User16: and I've been using IVB on my desktop for two years now, since it was beta
User16: we'd know if it was something widespread
User10: Hey guys, its really simple: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1253620/comments/77 so who of you will SRU all dependencies of glib on precise for once?
User15: Ubuntu bug 1253620 in LibreOffice Productivity Suite "Can't open a LibreOffice native file via CIFS share" [Critical,Confirmed]
User10: User4 ^^ volunteering?
User10: User4 *sigh* the joke just got serious.
User12: stop making jokes !
User4: Sweet5hark, sorry, was in an hangout, reading backlog
User4: urg
User10: User4 you have mail ;)
User4: saw that!
User10: User4 can we agree on ogra_ SRUing all of gnome?
User4: wfm
User12: thats scriptable ...
User10: User12 the SRU team will likely script back though ...
User12: yeah, thats what i fear
User10: User12 ... a drone that finds and kills you with a spoon.
User12: gnome is dead anyway :P
User12: (until the QML re-write)
User4: ogra_, it's not friday yet!
User6: I wish boring trolling was dead
User12: seb128, ah, damned ... just noticed
User10: User12 well, "gnome" was a simplifcation. actually its all that depends on glib-2.0
User6: all that uses those macros, at worst
User4: I don't understand
User4: http://ubuntu-codesearch.surgut.co.uk/search?q=GUINT32_SWAP_LE_BE
User4: returns neither gvfs nor libreoffice
User10: User4 is that searching on precise?
User4: it doesn't return glib either
User4: Laney, codesearch is busted!
User4: Sweet5hark, http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=GUINT32_SWAP_LE_BE seems better
User6: it's re-running on utopic now
User4: "re-running"?
User6: yes
User4: means rebuilding an index/currently incomplete ?
User6: I guess it could explain it, could also be buggy though :(
User10: User4 ... which shows on the first page that this macro is used in macros, so a simple search wont do ...
User4: Sweet5hark, one solution might be to put a "fixed define" in gvfs to fix that specific issue
User4: though I'm unsure how likely that's going to create interaction issues with other component using the wrong macro
User10: User4 yes, but that might break as client code of gvfs migh do the swap too: swap twice in a broken way => no error, swap correctly once (in fixed gvfs), incorrectly again (in lib linking against gvfs) => busted
User4: right
User4: Sweet5hark, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-March/180325.html doesn't bring confidence
User10: yep. When I read that back in the days, I felt for Stephan. Imagine debugging a networking issue vs. windows shares from LibreOffice down to glib ...
User4: yeah
User10: User4 what we maybe could do, is putting these in officialish PPA and see if there are any issues for 6 months or so ... but even then. The audience (and thus test coverage) for that PPA would be very small (only people hitting this problem on a LTS, while there is a newer LTS already) ...
User4: Sweet5hark, that might be a good enough solution for those users though
User4: which would be the best way to make everyone happy
User17: hi can any body help me
User17: ??
User12: was that a trick question ?
User18: mpt, where do you stand on adding custom ringtones and notification sounds in system-settings?  Could we get something on the wiki about that?
User18: mpt, like using the content picker to select sounds from your music library, or handle downloaded ringtones
User16: I have two firefox profiles running, and when trying to open a link from thunderbird I get a prompt asking which profile to start, it doesn't let me open the link on an open profile
User5: User19 hey, in case you don't really remember our discussion, but now, I got multiple confirmation that the "lost tab" bugs is fixed in 36
User5: User19 I hope it's even fixed in 35 so that your work for getting the fix in chromium will be easierâ¦
User19: User5 Yes, thanks.
User5: yw
User4: qengho, do you know when 35 is becoming stable?
User19: User4 Probably end of this month.
User20: Laney, How about "ubuntu-unicorn"! :-)
User12: ubuntu-desktop-ng
User12: :)
User20: omg-ubuntu
User12: ubuntu-da-fjutscha
User6: ubuntu-me-harder
User18: ubuntu-desktop-omg
User4: ubuntu-finally-no-compiz
User4: ;-)
User12: ++
User4: no wm either though atm :/
User4: unity8 on a desktop feels like a tablet UI
User6: very early days
User12: just bribe the filemanager app guys into adding a desktop :)
User21: we could also call it ubutnu, that'd be in line with what we use for our pre-release services :)
User21: (just to confuse the hell out of everyone)
User6: :D
User4: Laney, thanks for the work on bootstraping and sending that email btw ;-)
User4: Sweet5hark, what happened to your normal you?
User10: User4 normal me being "Sweetshark"?
User4: Sweet5hark, yeah
User4: Sweet5hark, you are also not on the Canonical IRC it seems
User10: User4 did a "do-release-update" to trusty on the pandaboard where that was running, and the machine didnt come up with a sshd :/
User4: :-(
User4: Sweet5hark, anyway, real question for you ... ;-)
User10: User4 yes?
User4: Sweet5hark, what do you see as your focus on lo for u-cycle?
User4: the packaging changes you mentioned, keeping up with upstream, bugfix I guess
User4: GTK3/Mir work maybe?
User4: Sweet5hark, I'm just trying to wrap my head around what the team is doing this cycle ;-)
User10: User4 yes, thats roughly the agenda. plus (but thats more upstream) getting more unittesting and CI in there ..
User4: ok, makes sense
User4: Sweet5hark, thanks ;-)
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