User1: mmmm Marius80 never come back... maybe his installation of kde from lubuntu did not worked very well
User1: or so well that did not needed further help
User2: re
User2: markit?
User2: jEhrichs?
User1: User2 ehi!
User2: I got KDE4 to run now...  how did you guys upgrade to  KDE 4.10 by using the backports?
User1: you still alive?
User1: on 12.10 you mean?
User2: yes I am,  sorry had to restart and install gnome and kde ...
User2: 12.10 is the number of  kubuntu
User1: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9.90
User2: I am talking about KDE 4.10
User1: follow that instructions
User1: (I always do from shell, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade)
User2: thank you markit, sounds to be easy
User1: be prepared to download a lot of packets again ;P
User2: and you are sure that this will not break anything?
User2: User1  what is the main difference between KDE 4.9.3 and KDE 4.10 Beta 2  ?
User2: I still hope to get the bugs  in "krunner" and the "task manager" solved
User1: User2 you will got 4.9.90 that is the code name for 4.10beta2, it's the same
User2: can I upgrade to the next version of KDE after I have done the upgrade or will I mess up dependencies?
User2: for example when KDE 4.11 comes out
User2: markit?
User1: once 4.10 will be released, you'd better remove that beta repository
User2: and then it will install without any problems then?
User1: yep, because of the version number
User1: that's why is called 4.9.10
User1: so 4.10 is bigger and pushes it out
User2: cool :)))
User1: then probably you will have to add ppa:kubuntu-ppa
User2: User1 sorry for bothering you,  1 more thing please
User1: or you already should
User1: I'm a debian guy, use kubuntu for LTSP and school and a netbook only
User2: ppa:kubuntu-ppa  by now?
User1: yes, feel free to add right now
User2: ok
User1: will not hurt, would install 4.9.4 but since you added the beta repo, it will not
User1: again 4.9.90 is bigger than 4.9.4 now ;P
User2: what I really concern about:  will 4.9.90  resolv any bugs?  This would be the only reason for me to upgrade
User2: there are 2 really bad bugs I dislike
User1: well, is still beta so could bring more bugs than it solves
User2: hum...
User2: you use it right now, right?
User1: at the moment I'm on debian, and my netbook is in bedroom and wife is sleeping
User2: k I see
User2: so I will do the following now:
User2: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
User1: but I've a live cd of 13.04 that has 4.10beta installed
User2: and
User2: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
User2: (without beta)
User3: User2 Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
User1: yes Marius80, then sudo apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
User2: where did you get the 13.04 from?!
User1: User2 never been on www.kubuntu.org? :) in any case I've got from a daily build, hold on
User1: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
User1: like http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-i386.iso
User1: 931 MBÃ¹
User2: cool :)
User2: I should have used this one :)
User1: if you are looking for stability, absolutely NO
User2: well,  dist-upgrade is running...
User1: then you can tell me if you see the same issue I'm facing
User1: with plasmoid and transparency
User1: http://imagebin.org/240703
User2: okay I will as soon as it has been installed
User2: btw. aptitude and apt-get are doing interesting stuff again
User2: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u9N0ZMp5
User1: let's see
User4: !aptitude
User5: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. You may encounter problems on multiarch installs (11.10 and higher) as aptitude cannot currently handle the same package with different architectures being installed at the same time. See http://pad.lv/831768 for more information.
User1: User2 I usually use aptitude, but seems that the trend is to drop it
User1: User2 go ahead without fear
User1: just aptitude was more capable to find obsolete packages
User1: btw, 2.10 am here, going to sleep in a short period, I hope
User4: If you run kubuntu 32 bit you'll be fine with aptitude
User1: User4 do you know why aptitude has not evolved? I do love it's "aptitude hold" feature
User1: anyone can tell me in this video, http://desireewilson@example.net time, what sort of plasmoid is that on the upper right where he is dropping icons?
User4: i hope they are working on it
User2: User1 sorry for my late response:  We live in the same time zone...
User2: User1 KDE 4 is not installed,  so I cannot tell you about the bug this moment
User1: User2 and maybe you are italian too? ;P
User2: sono austriaco :)
User1: oh, I'm near the border with Osterreich
User2: from where exactly?
User2: I've got family in italy
User1: it's a secret, I tell you in private chat :P
 * markit hates irc logs
User2: re
User2: markit?
User2: I should not have done that
User1: hi Marius80
User2: did not solve anything,  only gave me a bundle of new problems
User2: how can I reproduce your problem?
User1: just open a terminal full screen
User2: done
User2: and then?
User1: the open activities and see if background is transparent
User2: everything looks good here
User1: so you can't read properly the content, or just open the calendar at the right  botton
User2: can you give me the adress of your screenshot again?=
User1: http://imagebin.org/240703
User2: no, everything looks great here
User1: ok, I'm much happier
User2: do you need any screenshots as a proove?
User1: are you sure you are running kde 4.9.90?
User1: User2 I trust you :)
User2: Platform Version 4.9.95
User1: fine :)
User2: I can describe it:
User2: the calender is open at this moment
User1: maybe is some old config of my user that created the mess, or the video driver
User2: I click on activities
User2: now the activities stuff is open,  and covers half of the calender
User2: the calender is half blurred in the back
User2: the rest is visible normally
User2: the window in the back is also blurred
User2: exactly how it has to be
User1: but do you have a black background in teh activities?
User2: so your bug is not reproduceable
User2: no, it's "milky"
User1: great
User1: and you installed from scratch, right?
User2: I installed "Lubuntu" from new (no upgrade;  it was a new installation)
User2: (kinda 4 hours ago)
User1: perfect, thanks
User1: lolÃ¹
User1: sleep time!
User2: sleep fine :)
User1: btw, what are your "bugs"?
User1: that pushed you to try an upgrade?
User1: (if you can explain in short)
User2: the sort order of the windows
User2: in the task manager
User2: just for a moment:  Please don't type
User2: [ window 1]    [ window 3 ]
User2: [ window 2]
User2: you can type again :)
User2: that's how we would expect it, right?
User2: what happens is this:
User2: [ window 1]    [ window 2 ]
User2: [ window 3]
User2: so they change the place
User2: only when "force row settings" is checked
User2: and:  Krunner sometimes needs 2 or 3 times "ENTER" to run the command
User2: these are the most annoying bugs
User6: dmenu
User2: heoyea?
User1: I see, I've task manager with just one row, and multiple programs just collapse
User1: http://pengpod.com/ interesting !
User2: cool :)
User2: thx for the link!
User2: markit, I wish you a good night :)
User1: see you :) I'm often in irc at night
User1: bye
User3: !netsplit
User5: netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
User7: Hi all.  I'm trying to kick off an update from 12.04 to 12.10.  I'm following the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu, but it implies that Muon will notice immediately that I have a dist upgrade available.  Mine isn't (unsurprisingly).
User7: How do I tell ito to check immediately?
User8: User7 Hi. There's a setting in Muon that needs to be enabled to allow a notifiaction of a new distribution release. Make sure you have that turned on as it may not be by default.
User9: User7  Edit the file /etc/update-manager/release-updates and change "Prompt=lts' to "Prompt="normal" and try again.
User7: Thanks, figured it out.  I did an aptitude update from the command line and muon noticed.
User10: you ppl never speak!
User11: artichoku, its a support channel
User11: #kubuntu-offtopic is the chat channel
User10: well aware, was in here 2 days straight without support, fixed it myself
User9: User10 Good for you!  that's the best way.
User10: lol@Darth it worked out
User10: i broke it a bunch first
User9: Troubleshooting and fixing problems is *the* best way to lear.
User9: learn.
User10: agreed
User7: Assuming you have time to do so...
User9: Whether you have time or not, it's still the best way.  It might not be your preferred way, of course. :-)
User12: hi folks
User12: is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/quantal/release/kubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent also a Live CD/DVD as well?
User13: hello great users....
User13: i have one  question... what do u think is possible to capture lid up event for laptop?
User13: wake up guys.... too long sleeping is not good for healthy....
User13: great....
User4: mdim yes
User13: how?
User4: goga,  see the 2nd answer in > http://askubuntu.com/questions/187073/kubuntu-power-options-doesnt-feature-suspend-on-lid-close
User13: thanks
User4: goga this wiki might be helpfull too >> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_acpid#Example:_go_to_sleep_on_lid_close
User4: i never messed around with those actions
User14: User12 yes live, and dvd by its size (:
User14: User12 I believe nowadays we only have live images
User4: indeed, only ubuntu server is not live
User12: can anyone confirm that the commit regarding the Canon EOS 650D camera at https://commit-digest.org/issues/2012-09-09/ is included in Kubuntu 12.10? It's libkdcraw
User14: User12 if you have updated your KDE to recent releases, then most likely yes
User12: I'll try out the Live version now. Do I just fire up apt-get update & upgrade, or do I need to use some ppa?
User14: I'd say your best bet would be http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9.4
User3: !netsplit
User5: netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
User3: !netsplit
User5: netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
User14: silly FloodBotK1, we're not in netsplit
User15: Good morning, how I can use the screen look on the netbook-view from kde 4.8.5? On the desktop-view from kde, the screen look work's fine. My OS on the netbook is Kubuntu 12.04.
User14: screen look?
User15: Tm_T, screen look -> netbook hibernate->netbook restart-> ask for the passwort  . Do you know what I mean? Sorry my english is not so good.
User14: User15 you mean sceen lock?
User15: Tm_T, yes
User3: !netsplit
User14: User15 hmm, I don't actually know
User15: Tm_T, no problem, thanks for your help
User14: User15 you might like to try asking in #kde too
User15: Tm_T,  I do it.
User16: hello
User16: in need help with some updates
User16: someone can help me
User16: ?
User16: there is some here? i'm sorry but it's my first time
User14: User16 hi, it's best just to ask your actual question and wait patiently someone to answer if possible
User16: ah ok sorry
User16: system gave this errors: Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/packages.medibuntu.org_dists_quantal_InRelease Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal-security_Release.gpg Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal_Release.gpg Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/it.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal
User16: -updates_Release.gpg Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/it.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal-backports_Release.gpg
User14: hmmm
User14: User16 reinstall ubuntu-keyring and see if the problem continues
User16: how can i do that? sorry i'm really bad linux user
User14: User16 about signature of medibuntu, you have to check what medibuntu's documentation say about retrieving their sigs
User14: User16 in terminal "sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-keyring"
User16: i'm going to try thank you very much
User16: now  it gaves this errors : mpossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/packages.medibuntu.org_dists_quantal_InRelease
User16: Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal_Release.gpg
User14: User16 for latter error, install ubuntu-extras-keyring
User16: nothing of special i think
User16: it says that ubuntu-extras-keyring is already installed
User14: somehow those keys has gone missing
User16: now this one: Impossibile scaricare gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/packages.medibuntu.org_dists_quantal_InRelease
User16: but if i do sudo apt-get install update from terminal the errors is:
User16: W: Si Ã¨ verificato un errore nel verificare la firma. Il repository non Ã¨ aggiornato e verranno usati i file indice precedenti. Errore GPG: http://packages.medibuntu.org quantal InRelease: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perchÃ© la chiave pubblica non Ã¨ disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
User16: W: Errore GPG: http://plex.r.worldssl.net lucid InRelease: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perchÃ© la chiave pubblica non Ã¨ disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 43525C28E533491A
User16: W: Errore GPG: http://ppa.launchpad.net quantal Release: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perchÃ© la chiave pubblica non Ã¨ disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 0BB4C0D56AE1EE0F
User16: W: Impossibile recuperare http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/quantal/InRelease
User16: W: Impossibile scaricare alcuni file di indice: saranno ignorati o verranno usati quelli vecchi.
User3: User16 Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
User16: niente di intenzionale peace :)
User16: ah ok sorry
User16: nothing of intentional
User16: so now what can i do?
User16: nt so easy for me :)
User16: what i have to write in terminal?
User16: yes it i
User16: is
User17: hay luca
User16: it's late
User16: i've done the first
User16: now it has opened kate also
User16: but the terimnal is clocke i think
User16: blocked
User16: ah ok :)
User16: and what i have to edit in kate
User16: ok
User3: !netsplit
User5: netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
User16: poi salvo e chiudo?
User16: than i have to save the file in kate right
User16: i don't have to copiy also the number in ur link ?
User16: same error
User16: done and : W: Errore GPG: http://ppa.launchpad.net quantal Release: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perchÃ© la chiave pubblica non Ã¨ disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 0BB4C0D56AE1EE0F
User16: W: Errore GPG: http://plex.r.worldssl.net lucid InRelease: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perchÃ© la chiave pubblica non Ã¨ disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 43525C28E533491A
User16: but i thnk that medibuntu is working
User16: there isn't for kubuntu
User16: i disabled the on for plex
User16: but i think that i've lost the repository of others program right
User16: like xbmc
User16: i've done it before
User16: but from terminal: W: Errore GPG: http://ppa.launchpad.net quantal Release: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perchÃ© la chiave pubblica non Ã¨ disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 0BB4C0D56AE1EE0F
User16: ok
User16: als the official one
User16: ah ok
User16: no thank u very much
User16: really
User16: have a nice day
User3: !netsplit
User5: netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
User18: hey you all, whats up? kubuntu rules! :)
User19: h
User1: hi, anyone with 12.10 and KDE 4.10rc, and having such a behaviour (plasmoid transparency) http://imagebin.org/240703 ?
User1: solved, I've been told to remove kde svn cache rm /var/tmp/kdecache-username/plasma*
User20: hi, I just download the kubuntu desktop 64bit iso and then boot it to install on my computer which already have Windows8 installed, but the installer just show me the entire drive /dev/sda as free space, I suppose to see the Windows 8 partition, and some free space.  Any idea?
User20: fdisk /dev/sda prints the Windows 8 partition.
User20: The installer just don't show the Windows 8 partitions. And it show the entire drive size as free!
User9: Go ahead and install.  You don't need Windows 8 anyway.
User21: User9 he can have windows if he wants windows, don't tell people to delete it - you don't know what they need/want
User21: please don't make that sort of bad comment
User20: The Windows 8 is for my mother in law.
User22: User20 Can you please try to remove the DVD/USB, reboot to make sure Windows is there and then try to boot Kubuntu and launch the installer again?
User20: User22 Ok, Windows is still there.  and fdisk shows the partitions both /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2. again the installer just shows the entire disk as free.
User20: I don't see /dev/sda1 dev/sda2  from the desireewilson@example.net.
User23: have not seen a good guide on dualbooting with win8 yet
 * markit suggests to disable "secure boot" from the bios
User22: User20 What if you choose to manually partition your drive?
User22: User20 (In the installation program)
User20: User22 That's infect what I did, choose manual, and again it just show me the /dev/sda and the free space only.
User1: User20 have you disabled the "secure boot" from bios?
User20: User1 I don't find the 'secure boot' form my bios!
User1: User20 return back the pc then
User1: and complain a lot
User1: it's not a PC anymore, is a special device to run only special sofware, is not what you intended to buy
User1: User20 brand / model?
User20: asus k53
User24: Hey all
User25: For my personal desktop system, does it make sense to stay on 12.04? I mean I'd like to have the newer versions of everything. Is there anything that should I consider before leaving LTS?
User1: User25 if you want newer version of everything, you must leave 12.04, no choice
User1: for home desktop usage, lts is not that important
User1: if something breaks, you have time to fix, or just reinstall
User7: Hi all.  I'm trying to get my Nexus 4 to mount on Kubuntu 12.10 using  MTP mode, and having trouble.
User7: I'm following through the instructions here: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/247-ubuntu-automount-nexus7-mtp (modifying for Nexus 4)
User7: The phone isn't mounting, however, and "mount" reports no fuse information for it.
User7: Any suggestions?
User25: User1 I tried Ubuntu 12.10 on my Netbook and it did not break my Python scripts and my LaTeX compiles fine too. And besides, always had the regular releases and it was fine
User1: User25 good :) btw, do you do some python / qt programming?
User25: User1 I just do Python, I never looked into Qt more than 30 Minutes
User25: User1 do you have any need for PyQt or so?
User1: User25 would like to learn python and do some program with Qt, yes
User1: I'm used to a high integrated IDE, like Delphi or Lazarus
User1: the tutorials I've seen so far seem so confusing to me
User25: User1 there are Python IDEs out there, but I just use a plain editor (Vim)
User25: User1 did you look into the official Python tutorial?
User25: User1 do you know any C-like language (C, PHP, Java, C++)?
User1: I programmed in C long time ago (also assembler for Z8001 CPU, lol)
User25: User1 because the Pascal/Delphi a different way of thinking than C (and Python, since it has a lot from C)
User1: and I do some ruby programming for system scripts and rails
User25: User1 I am the C kind of guy and I did not get anything done with Delphi in school
User1: User25 is not the language, but the "environment" to have Qt programs that puzzles me
User25: User1 do you mean that it is event based (is that even true?) or something like that?
User1: yep, but you just put visual components on the form, have proprieties, doble click on venets, write code, press F5 and runs
User25: User1 isn't that just like Delphi?
User1: in Qt seems you have to design the UI on one side, then "compile" and link with python code after that
User1: User25 I was talking about delphi
User25: User1 :D
User25: User1 let me see the one project I did with PyQt
User1: User25 don't worry, I asked if you were an "expert" to guide me to the right route
User1: ok, back to my ruby script to improve LTSP automatic installation and configuration (non graphical)
User25: User1 I have not written a GUI program in a while now â¦ just command line utilities
User26: voglio togliere windows 7 ma non so se mettere kubuntu o ubuntu voglio che il sistema supporta tutto l'hardware compreso il bluetooth cosa mi consigliate tra i due???
User25: is there #kubuntu-sw or #ubuntu-sw?
User25: User26 try `#ubuntu-<yourlanguagecode>`
User27: !it
User5: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi Â« /join #ubuntu-it Â» senza virgolette)
User25: I think Guest62853 is from Sweden (at least whois says so)
User25: sorry, that is just where the Server is :-/
User27: It looked like italian.
User25: User27 I thought spanish at first, but with all those âoâs, it should be :-)
User25: Swedish looks kind of close to German, I think
User25: or Dutch
User27: !it | Guest62853
User5: User26 Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi Â« /join #ubuntu-it Â» senza virgolette)
User28: Rule of thumb: If there's "tutto" in it it most of the time is italian ;)
User1: lol
User1: btw, it was italian (I'm Italian)
User1: also with some grammar errors :(
User25: what does âtuttoâ mean?
User1: all, everything
User25: do you have some rule of thumb to recognize German?
User1: User25 from the accent ;P
User25: User1 you mean the German accent in English?
User28: User25 yeah: if it's my native tongue it must be German ;)
User1: I've no idea... maybe trap some special characters?
User1: User25 was joking, sorry
User25: User1 German speakers have a pretty thick accent in English usually
User1: User28 trap some "umlouth" or whatever are called?
User25: User1 Umlaut
User1: User25 sure, also when they speak italian
User1: but of course nothing you can trap in IRC ;P
User1: that was the joke
User25: User1 most of them have big troubles with âthâ and so forth
User25: User1 I guess if somebody comes around with Ã¤Ã¼Ã¶Ã, it should be pretty clear
User28: User25 or a "j" . Jack -> Check
User1: I've bought a course of spoken english for italians... I have to admit that now I'm aware how bad my pronounciation is
User25: I lost most of my bad habits while I was in the US for quite a while
User1: User25 yep, that is my suggestion, but was unable to generate those codes quickly (I'm lazy, I'm a developer ;P))
User25: User1 this is where a German keyboard comes in handy
User25: User1 or a compose key :D
User1: User25 where are you from?
User25: User1 Germany
User1: oh, I see :)
User28: or screen's digraph ability
User25: If you happen to use a CLI IRC client
User25: Vim is also pretty good with digraphs
User25: User1 btw, developers who are not lazy seem strange to me :-)
User1: yep, without lazyness loops were not invented, lol
User1: s/were/would have been
 * markit needs to re-learn grammar also
User1: User25 how is it that I've the feeling that german students, at 18 years old, have learned english quite well, while italians don't?
User25: imagine everybody would use gotos and hand-keep lists with their jump targets
User1: do you have native language speakers as teachers in your schools?
User25: some are far from that
User25: I had one teacher who had a worse accent then I did :-7
User25: you have to have English in school, either in 5th grade or in 7th grade
User25: and for at least 4 yours, usually you take it from 5th till 13th grade (12th nowaways)
User25: I think the people from the Netherlands learn English way better than we do â¦ they do not even have translated TV, just subtitles
User25: that forces all of them to learn English
User25: when I was in NL and tried to speak some Dutch, they replied in English right away :-/
User28: User25 I'm currently on Malta and I'm quite impressed with dutch and belgian english speakers, even took them for native speakers
User29:
User25: I guess they are such a small country, that they really need to learn English. I know a lot of Germans who say that nobody could force them to learn another language. If somebody wants something from them, they should do it in German
User25: Or they do not like to learn English, because the Americans could learn German
User25: It is going to become fun when we get into the Master's degree since all the lectures will be in English
User28: User25 I partly "blame" dubbing, people don't hear english at alle, only in songs which they don#t understand
User28: a/alle/all/
User25: right, and that is something you do not have in the Netherlands, at least not so much
User25: only the local shows are in Dutch, everything else is in subtitles
User28: exactly
User25: and I now watch DVDs and stuff in English, just to keep practiscing
User25: except for the word âpractiseâ :D
User28: but I guess we're way off topic and getting even more so ;)
User25: until now, nobody complained :-)
User25: I guess we should stop when an actual Ubuntu question comes up
User30: I blame education rather then TV, we have English lessons from about 10 years old up to 16 years old. German and French from 12 to 15 (optionally up to 1-3 years longer depending on your level of education)
User28: User30 I didn't say that education is not flawed, but still, even if your education is good you tend to forget what you never use
User30: But yeah, the continues contact with english language on whichever media also helps
User25: There were some trials with having English already in 3rd grade (not 5th), but I do not think that did much good
User25: the real problem in German English classes is that they are mostly in German!
User25: I learned English best, when I was speaking English only for around a year
User25: but you have 45 minute classes, the teacher is 5 minutes late
User25: then you do all the organisational stuff in German, hear excuses for undone homework in German
User25: Maybe you say a sentence or two during the whole class
User30: Not much difference here, but at least you learn the basic grammar and many words
User25: Tim Ferris said (or quoted) that practise does not make perfect, it makes permanent
User30: All the rest requires practice
User25: so I think with TV and conversations in english, you do not forget more than you learned in your classes
User25: but practise is what lacks most in Germany, I'd say
User1: back... well, in Italy we have ALL movies dubbed
User1: or are not transmitted at all
User25: dito in Germany
User25: in the movie theater (cinema) there are some English movies, so I watched the Hobbit in the original soundtrack
User28: User25 mostly in huge cities only, e.g. Berlin or Hamburg.
User1: my main difficoult when I try to speak are a) I'm shy, b) I think in a too convulted way for the level of my english
User25: this was in a population 300.000 city
User1: I had the experience of being helped by a friend
User25: User1 I feel about the same about my Dutch
User1: I talked him in italian, he translated in english, and I could understand perfectly what he said
User1: but was not able to tell myself
User1: that was shocking
User25: User1 that is your active and passive command of the language, quite normal
User1: User25 oh, good, I'm not alone in this small planet ;P
User28: User1 the good thing with english is: Even if your level is low people will comprehend what you are saying if you keep your sentences simple. In German: Not so much
User1: well, not if you go in England
User1: I went there for 15 days long long time ago
User28: User1 you need to practice forming sentences and express yourself in a foreign language. People know and understand
User25: User28 I guess that is about the information density. It usually takes more text to state something precicely in English, but I have one German word for it
User1: if you don't understand and ask for a repeat, they tell you again but with the same speed or faster
User1: very kind but useless
User1: lol
User25: what they did in the US is that they repeated it louder
User28: User1 I was talking about you, trying to converse in english
User25: my host family reflected on this and then choose simpler words â¦ it worked
User25: and when we were somewhere else, they said âhe is not deaf, he just does not understand the meaning right awayâ
User1: lol
User25: I sometimes try to think in Dutch, that is quite fun :-)
User28: that's the nice thing about Malta: Everybody speaks english, but they are used to people not talking it proplery, they can handle it.
User25: if I am programming, I always think in English. It is almost impossible for me to choose German variable names and write German comments now :D
User28: properly even ;)
User25: User28 I guess that is a little different in the general US
User1: User28 Malta looks like a wonderful place, never been there
User1: maybe to improve my english I should go there instead of england, much better weather for sure
User28: User1 it is, it absolutely is. I'm here for the 6th time, love it
User1: User28 in Malta do you speak with a "perfect" accent or a sub-optimal eglish? I've no idea
User25: for me, everything above like 23Â°C seems hot â¦
User25: User1 are you looking for this Cambridge/Oxford English?
User28: User1 yeah, lots of italians live here, too, sicily is only 90 Minutes via ferry
User25: the only thing I can say in Oxford English is âVance, I can't danceâ :D
User1: User28 where are you from? Maybe you told but I missed... Germany seems to recall, correct?
User28: User1 correct.
User1: User28 good and fast and cheap internet connection there? low tax rates? good food? :)
User1: it's all what I need :)
User25: what do you mean with âgood foodâ? The food can be all there is, if there is no decent bread â¦ bummer
User28: User1 sensational food, free wifi all around, cheap mobile internet (prepaid SIM 3GB cost 20â¬), nice weather, low taxes, but unfortunatly low wages, too
User1: User28 so you earn money in Germany and spend in Malta? mmm good idea :)
User25: User1 people in Geneva do that all the time, employed in Switzerland and live in France
User28: User1 sort of, yeah ;) Currently I'm only here for holidays, but someday, maybe.. ;)
 * markit deraming for a better future, Italy is going down to misery
User1: well, dreaming
User1: damn keyboard ;P
User1: ok, back to some ruby script for my ltsp
User1: thanks a lot for the conversation
User25: User1 especially if a certain person should become prime minister, I guess
User25: User1 Happy Hacking!
User1: User25 there is a very wide choice, they robber from all the sides
User25: I just did the upgrade from Precise to Quantal and now the Terminal and gVim font are different. Which was the default font in Precise?
User31: User25 that depends a lot on which program/GUI library as you discovered.
User31: User25 typical GNU/Linux systems don;t have a single font system, never mind a single text rendering library.
User25: I got a screenshot of Vim here, but I cannot seem to find that font in Vim again
User31: User25 'gvim' uses GTk to render text IIRC, so it will be in some '.gtkrc' file.
 * markit tried RazorQT desktop ... after login, only 144MB used!
User32: Hello everyone.
User32: Would someone be able to help me with a problem?
User32: Anyone alive in here?
User25: User31 I finally found it, âDroid Sans Monoâ it is
User25: User32 sure, just ask
User32: I am pretty sure that Backtrack 5 is builded on Kubuntu so that's why I am here.  I am trying to run tcprewrite but i keep getting errors that are saying that the app is not installed and I need to install it.  There's also a bit about Universe needing to be active or something like that.
User32: I verified that the app is installed and it's there, but I can't seem to figure out how to get it to run.
User11: cliff_, get help in the backtrack channel
User11: #backtrack-linux
User32: dang!
User32: there's a channel for everything, thanks!
User33: ne1 here use winswitch?
User24: sysop2, what's winswitch ?
User34: better question: can you use non-text speak?
User34: s/text/texting/
User31: User25 you can just install it. It is a bit limited, IIRC it does not have bold or italic or one of the two.
User33: BluesKaj, thanks for answering
User33: BluesKaj, its a gui for xpra
User33: how about this. I have nvidia setup for seperate x servers how do I start an application on the  second x server?
User25: DISPLAY= in front of the command maybe?
User25: You should be able to see the displays with `who`
User35: ciao a tutti
User36: ciao auguri di buone feste
User37: hi all, can i ask a help with install pcpsx2 on kubuntu 12.10 64bit ?
User37: ./launch_pcsx2_linux.sh
User37: ERROR the plugin (plugins/libzzogl-0.4.0.so) miss some dependencies
User37: libCg.so => not found
User37: libCgGL.so => not found
User37: libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0 => not found
User3: User37 Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
User37: libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0 => not found
User37: libwx_gtk2u_adv-2.8.so.0 => not found
User38: User37 this is some psx emu?
User37: yes
User38: User37 don't bother ;-)
User37: http://pcsx2.net
User37: it is
User38: User37 imho the only usable one was epsxe and it's not been updated to work on current linux distros in ages
User37: some miss liblary
User38: User37 you _could_ go thtough the plugins with ldd and install missing libs
User37: i work on istall missing libs at 2h
User38: User37 it will be hard and annoying... and expect to be disappointed by what the emu can acutally run
User38: User37 it obviously wants wxwidgets 2.8 built with unicode support
User38: User37 i have no idea if that is available in the repos
User37: http://pastebin.com/B728Dr6P
User39: I have a linksys WMP600N, it's behaving badly (very internittent network bandwidth).  For example streaming music from my NAS is very choppy (NetworkManager meter shows connected at 64Mbps).  So I DL'd rt2860 src and compiled.  modprobe -r rt2800, insmod rt2860sta.ko and wammo, hard freeze on my computer, no panic, just frozen!
User38: User37 you'll find a number of shared objects (with extension ".so") in the plugins directory somewhere in the emu's path
User37: User38 PCSX2 is 32 bit only program. You need to install all 32 bits depencencies
User38: User37 on a shell, you can run ldd on each of those shared objects and see what they depend on
User38: User37 i was asssuming that, yes.
User37: i add-architecture -i386
User38: User37 doesn't exactly make the task easier, i'm afraid
User37: can u exmplain "PCSX2 is 32 bit only program. You need to install all 32 bits depencencies"
User37: grr sorry, can u exmaplin : on a shell, you can run ldd on each of those shared objects and see what they depend on
User38: User37 shared objects are libraries (dll's in windows speak)
User38: User37 the plugins the emu uses need those libs
User37: on ubuntu emulator was run
User38: User37 and when the emu loads the plugins, it can't because the libs aren't there
User37: but on kubuntu no .;(
User38: User37 ubuntu probably installs wxwidgets per default (it's a gtk thing, and it shows)
User37: i mean gnome
User38: User37 i understood that much ;-)
User37: wxwidgets
User38: User37 anyway, you need the dependencies for the plugins
User38: User37 that's why it's not working. and all that stuff being 32 bit (on your 64 bit platform?) won't make it easier
User37: yes im on 64b
User37: meyby easier will be install gnome :)
User38: User37 but i'm just blathering without _really_ knowing the special case in question here... it's been years since i looked into psx emus
User38: User37 your choice ;-) i'd rather not ;-))
User37: i wouldn;t
User37: :)
User37: i can;t do anything on gnome
User37: im dissapointed, coz im 12h in work, and im boring :)
User37: install chroot32?
User38: User37 i don't exactly know what this does, but i have an idea and wouldn't recommend it.... sounds like overkill.
User37: ok
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