User1: User5 can I land https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ian-clatworthy/bzr/user-ref-topics/+merge/16750 now?
User2: User8 Hi
User3: i need to generate a diff with bzr diff, but I need the resulting patch to have a -p1
User3: is there some option i can pass to bzr diff to add an arbitrary additional leading dir?
User4: -p
User3: User4 cheers
User5: hi igc
User5: igc, yes
User1: User5 thanks
User6: Hi.  Reading in UserGuide, "Trailing slashes on patterns are ignored. If the pattern contains a slash or is a regular expression, it is compared to the whole path from the branch root. Otherwise, it is compared to only the last component of the path."  is unclear to me.  If I want to ignore a directory (e.g. "sites/") and all it's contents that's in my current directory, which of the following do i add to .bzrignore?  "sites", "sites/", "./sites", etc etc ?
User7: User6 do you want to ignore any file/directory called 'sites' anywhere in your tree, or just at the root?
User7: if you just want to ignore it (and thus everything under it) at the root, you want "./sites" I think.
User8: User2 hi
User2: User8 Any chance you could follow up to my reply in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr/repo-size/+merge/16582 ?
User2: User8 Basically, I'd like to have an overridable function for the number of revisions since that's all I want to override for foreign branch implementations
User7: User6 to be precise, "./sites" will ignore (root)/sites as well as everything under it.  If just want to ignore everything under it (but not ignore (root)/sites), then I think you'd want "./sites/*".
User9: hi, i accidently did something in the middle of writting a commit message that locked my branch, how do i force unlock?
User7: User9 perhaps you have "bzr diff | less" or similar still open in another terminal?
User9: bzr: ERROR: The lock for '/home/braden/Documents/Development/citrine' is in use and cannot be broken.
User9: User7 i accidently hit control+z
User9: fixed it
User9: what's this
User9: unknown:   bzr_log.kvvUj5   bzr_log.kvvUj5.save
User10: User9 You ran "bzr commit" without supplying a message, and it bzr opened an editor, with that filename.
User10: User9 The .save file is presumably something from your editor/
User6: spiv Thanks.  That clears it up!
User7: User6 great, glad I could help :)
User5: hi spiv
User5: spiv, patch pilot mail?
User7: User5 ah right, yes.
User5: this is your cue to nag me about the hottest100 mail :)
User7: User5 consider yourself nagged ;)
User5: :)
User11: Hey folks, is there a way to change author info on revisions committed locally?
User11: I put in a wrong email addy :(
User12: you could use bzr-rebase, I think
User11: bob2, hmm, I don't think it's in Fedora repos :o
User8: its now called rewrite
User12: ah
User11: Sigh - still not there :( I'll install it from source, I guess. Thanks for the pointer!
User13: Is there a way to check  --append-revisions-only has been set on a branch and also, is there a way to set it after a branch has been initialized?
User12: you can edit .bzr/branch.conf or so
User13: ah
User13: when you init a bzr with  --append-revisions-only it just adds a setting in the branch.conf
User13: Thanks, I understand now
User14: guys, how can i disable the bzr-notify from my ubuntu?
User15: User14 uninstall the bzr-dbus package?
User14: User15 i dont know exactly. it seems bzr-notify only notifies me that i commited some code, which is pointless since i know what i just did. and its using my pc's resources. so i want to remove it at least from boot.
User13: Can I merge changes from branch6 format into 2a format?
User10: User13 Those two branch formats can intermingle fine. It's the repo format where you may run into trouble.
User13: repo format?
User7: User13 look at the output of 'bzr info -v', for instance.
User13: ah ok
User7: The formats of the different components (working tree, branch, repository) are largely orthogonal.
User13: http://paste.ubuntu.com/351642/
User13: Well, that's what I have before and after upgrade
User13: It looks like the repository format is different too, so does that mean it's a problem?
User10: I don't see a problem?
User7: User13 that all looks fine to me
User13: great
User13: thanks
User7: User13 those are all the most current formats
User7: User13 and the same as you'd get with e.g. 'bzr init' from a new version of bzr.
User13: because we have some code I need to merge into the newly upgraded repo from the old format
User13: from another repo in the old format **
User7: Unless you've been using experimental formats, you can always take history from old to new.
User13: ah ok
User7: (In this case you won't be able to take commits made in the new repo back into your old repo though.)
User13: That's fine. I just want to be able to move over all the commits from everyones branches before moving everyone over to the new repo
User5: vila, hi?
User16: hi all !
User16: hey poolie !
User5: hi vila
User5: how about a quick call?
User16: User5 just a sec
User17: heya bzr
User10: Good morning. :)
User17: hi Peng
User16: hi bialix
User17: hi vila, happy new year!
User16: User17 you too  !
User18: hi balix!
User18: Would have time for some QBzr/QShelve related questions?
User18: If not, I can just send them to the list.
User19: hiya
User19: is there a way to find out what revisions are in the store that aren't in the tree?
User19: ie. if I have uncommitted some time ago and would like now to get back that revision, how do I get to that revspec bzr prints when you do uncommit?
User17: hi jszakmeister!
User17: happy new year
 * bialix bbiab
User12: User19 bzr heads
User10: User19 The original uncommit command, and the "bzr pull" suggestion it spits out, might still be in your .bzr.log as well.
User19: User12 thanks, lemme try that
User19: uh-huh, it seems to go through everything in this shared repo
User12: could be
User19: and now it hits some SVN branch which tries to "analyse layouts" of 1365 revisions at the rate of 1 revision per 5 minutes
User18: User19 maybe use --dead-only?
User18: I've not used bzr heads much... so I can't so for sure it will help you.
User19: User18 that's what I tried, but it still insists on touching that bzr-svn one
User19: I'm trying to dissuade it now
User18: Bummer. :-(
 * bialix back
User17: User18 ping?
User18: Yep, I'm here.
User18: Quick question
User18: I'm looking at qshelve stuff again (sorry for the long break)...
User18: I was originally thinking of using the TreeWidget...
User10: At worst, you can temporarily disable bzr-svn.
User10: User19 ^
User18: but the more I look at it, the more I'm thinking that maybe I shouldn't
User18: I need to open the diff editor by default, need tristate checks (which I think I can do, but I'm not sure yet), and there were a couple other small things.
User18: Should I just do something else, or should I refactor TreeWidget to allow me to override the behaviors I need?
User17: oh
User17: maybe ScrollableArea?
User17: do you want to use side-by-side diff?
User18: I thought we were going to call out to a tool as a first cut?
User17: mmm, I don't understand
User19: peng: yeah, that's what I arrived at now, trying to make it not raise from the dead :)
User18: I meant I need to override the default double click behavior in TreeWidget in the changes view.
User18: I think we want it to open the external tool when you double click on a modified file so that you can shelve some of the changes, right?
User17: User18 I think I forgot some details
User18: It's been a while. :-)
User17: yep
User17: and I was too busy with work
User18: Same here
User18: Lemme dig up a link real quick...
User17: TreeWidget is the most universal widget it seems
User17: do we really want it?
User18: That's basically my question.  It's nice because it already collects the changed files...
User17: just to create list of files? that's will be nice,we have similar in treewidget.py
User18: I'm sorry... that's the tree widget I'm talking about. :-)
User17: do you mean built-in qt QTreeWidget or Gary's treewidget.py?
User18: Gary's
User17: oh
User17: yep
User17: I'm guess reusing that widget is the right way
User17: it's already has enough power and allows customization
User17: you made a sketch at first about 2 panel side-by-side interface
User18: Is it a problem if I subclass it?
User17: but then we talked about using external tool to get more fine grained control over changes to shelve
User17: why that's a problem?
User18: Just looking to do what is acceptable. :-)
User18: I've been on some projects that have a methodology that discourages subclassing.
User18: I think I can subclass and override the few bits that I need to make it launch an external tool.
User17: do you need subclassing to override some methods?
User18: Yes.
User17: if these bits are not generic enough then I don't see a problem with subclass
User17: what is the reasons to avoid subclassing?
User17: speed of python?
User18: Seriously, I have no idea... they're were just adamant about a few things, and that was one of them.
User17: it was a python project? or?
User18: Either you built everything into the class, or you duplicated code. :-(
User18: Java, IIRC
User17: have no real experience with Java, sorry
User18: It was just stupid policy. :-)
User17: in Python very deep subclassing may affects performance, IIRC
User17: but it's not the case yet
User18: I could see that with having to scan the base classes for a method.
User17: yep
User18: Thanks for the help.  I'm gonna see if I can get something more working this week.
User18: Off to work!  Happy New Year!
User17: will be nice! let the power be with you :-)
User17: :-)
User17: rats, wrong quote
 * bialix sighs
User20: whats the easiest way to setup some location to store bzr branches?
User20: sftp?
User10: User20 I'd probably do it over SSH, but I'm already SSHed into my bzr server anyway.
User10: User20 bzr init-repo should be able to take a remote location/
User20: is there a way to list all branches and some info about them from a repository?
User20: didnt find anything that sounds like that from bzr help commands
User21: morning all
User10: User20 The bzrtools plugin provides a "bzr branches" command. Just gives a list, no other info, though.
User10: User20 Also, can be horribly slow in the face of bzr-svn...
User20: basicaly what i want is setup a shared repo that could be accessed by all workstations here, and that would allow ppl to create new branches in it and operate in them from their workstations
User20: without having to do any fancy cmdline foo on the server to create new branches etc
User10: Oh.
User10: I thought you meant the initial setup.
User10: Sure, creating new branches just takes a "bzr push".
User10: Dunno how you should set it up, though... You could give everybody one SSH login, or give them each their own shared repo (or use stacked branches) and have them use different users.
User10: s/give everybody one SSH login/use the same SSH login for everybody/
User17: hi jam, and happy new year!
User20: User10 thx i think ill go with only one ssh login/user
User20: :)
User21: happy new year to you bialix
User17: :-)
User21: User22 are you around for a chat?
User22: hi jam
User21: User22 just trying to follow up on udd/hottest100 and feel a bit lost
User21: I figured I might as well poke at the bugs you've filed so far
User21: and at least see where they are at
User21: for example, bug #496764, are you working on that, and/or is it something that helps the import stuff?
User23: Launchpad bug 496764 in bzr "want a hook for diverged graphs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496764
User21: Or is it just helpful for the builder side?
User22: it's not an import thing
User22: it's for the user experience
User21: User22 what about bug #484228
User23: Launchpad bug 484228 in bzr "Issue when merging cwidget: bzrlib.errors.NoSuchFile: No such file: ('changelog-blahblah') in iter_file_bytes" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484228
User21: you marked it invalid in bzr-builddeb
User21: but it is still open in bzr
User21: the discussion sounds like it is just a dupe of another bzr bug which has been fixed
User22: that may well be the case
User21: and bug #492647, that seems more like import-side issues, but is it hitting any of the 'hottest100' ?
User23: Launchpad bug 492647 in bzr "\r not allowed in commit message" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/492647
User22: I left the bzr task open so someone more familiar with the other bug could make the judgement
User21: k, I'll close #484228
User21: we can re-open later if necessary
User22: I don't know if that's a hottest100
User22: as you say, kerberos isn't, I just opened it at the request of mathiaz
User22: should we have a hottest100 tag as well as udd?
User21: User22 that is what it sounded like in Martin's last email
User21: the idea being our first focus target for helping udd is getting the top 100 imports working
User21: User22 and the last udd bug #488724
User23: Launchpad bug 488724 in bzr "commands updating working tree should provide the same modification time for all modified files" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488724
User21: this sounds like we need to settle on a timestamp, and then have transform set the mtime on all files before it moves them into the working dir.
User21: But I don't really understand why this is a udd bug
User22: yep, was just thinking from an organisational perspective. You will want to see the list of outstanding hottest100, while we still want lists of udd bugs.
User21: User22 right
User22: I'm not exactly sure about that one
User22: I think it was filed after discussions at UDS, but I can't remember if I was involved, or which problem we were talking about
User16: User21 because it was mentioned as a top wish list item in UDS
User21: hey vila, happy new year, btw
User21: I was missing you around here :)
User16: User21 hey, yeah, you too :)
User21: I should be getting my espresso machine today
User21: \o/
User16: hehe, can't start the day without one myself :)
User21: well, I have a crummy steam-powered one that does both drip and "espresso", but I'm upgrading to a genuine one
User21: User16 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000TBEU3S/ref=asc_df_B000TBEU3S994674?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=googlecom09c9-20&linkCode=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B000TBEU3S
User16: ouch,mine is far less expensive (I seem to remember we pay ~100 euros, maybe 150) but still makes the best expresso I know about :) I could buy a new SSD for that price :-D
User16: hmm, wth happens on my SSD *right* now ? :-/
User21: User16 well, I got it from a different place that had a cheaper base price *and* 20% off. I was just looking for a picture :)
User21: and at the EU => USD conversion, isn't that about the same price now? :)
User16: lol, I wish :)
User21: http://www.google.com/search?q=euro+to+usd
User21: says 1.44:1
User21: So I guess closer to 210EU
User16: wow, I'm still not used to that, I'm used to Apple prices being 1 EU == 1$ :-D
User16: http://www.amazon.fr/Krups-F88042-Cafeti%C3%A8re-espresso-noir/dp/B0002JZ2D4/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&s=kitchen&qid=1262711038&sr=8-23
User16: I wasn;t that far, 160EU
User16: And you should taste it soon hopefully :-/
User16: :-) I meant
 * vila will have a hard time explaining the typo :-)
User21: User16 The review's I've read said "stay away from crema-enhancing" models. The give you crema at the expense of flavor
User24: User16 in all fairness to Apple, the EU prices are with VAT and the US are without sales tax
User21: Anyway, I had originally planned to shoot for closer to $200, but I saw this one on a good deal and couldn't resist
User16: User21 Enjoy ! Is all I have to say :)
User21: User24 except when ordering online, you don't always pay sales tax
User24: that said, an iMac is $1200 in the US, but ~$1325 in the UK/EU without tax
User21: though I think you are supposed to report it to your state gov, and pay it there...
User16: User21 You have to use the local Apple Store and the taxes apply there
User21: User24 that is just the cost of the euro/pound key :)
User16: User24 : Enjoy ! Is all I have to say :) I love my Apple hardware even when I run Ubuntu on it :)
User24: oh well, even if I bought it at the US price, I'm still too poor to afford a Core i7 27" iMac at the moment :p
User24: User21 also the cost of having a vertical enter key rather than the annoying horizontal ones on US keyboards ;)
User16: User24 don'tmention that ! I bought a US keyboard without realizing that :-(
User24: I once tried typing on my friend's US MacBook and kept hitting the
User24: \ key
User24: because I always hit the top of the return key
User16: really ?
User16: :-/
User24: Of course I'm currently using an MS keyboard so half the keys type different things
User24: UK Windows keyboards are weird in some places
User21: User24 seems better to hit the lower part, since it is closer to home row...
User24: like " is shift-2 and @ is shift-'
User21: User24 really old commodore keyboards had that
User24: which to me makes no logical sense, but oh well
User24: User21 well that's how modern UK windows keyboards work. Macs flip it around. Never thought to check any Linux distros
User24: oh well, even if the keys are labelled wrong, I still love my keyboard :p
User24: User25 ping
User25: User24 morning
User24: User25 got some more mockups for you: http://dropbox.mcubedsw.com/bazaarxdesigndoc/bazaarxdesigndoc.html
User24: still tweaking but most of the screens are there
User21: User24 of course I have a US layout, but run Dvorak
User21: so none of my keys type what they should :)
User21: well, except the number keys
User24: lol
User24: well I couldn't even re-arrange my keys if I wanted as I've got an ergonomic keyboard so they can pretty much only fit in once place
User21: User16 does OSX have futimens ?
 * fullermd shudders.
User16: futimes ! damn I was wondering what you were talking about :)
User4: Just LOOKING at an "ergonomic" keyboard makes my hands hurt.
User16: User21 yes
User21: User16 http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man2/utimensat.2.html fu-time-ns
User21: so we'd need to track down the function for Win32, but we could probably expose futimens in the _read_dir extension
User26: Is there a way to regenerate indexes?  I thought there was, but I can't find it now.
User16: User21 then no
User21: User16 well fu-time-s would be sufficient for our need
User21: if it also exists elsewhere
User21: 1s resolution is enough for the bug
User16: I was about to ask, yes
User24: User4 http://www.infoprix.ca/images/pieces/921_1-Microsoft-Natural-Ergonomic-4000-Fr..jpg :p
 * fullermd twitches.
User24: heh
 * fullermd cuddles up with his 18 year old Type M.
User24: User21 this could help with OS X http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/index.html#group_Section_1_man_FA
User27: hi all
User27: i have a some trouble... http://paste.ubuntu.com/351882/
User28: hello, I'm trying to use bzr, but have difficulties doing push or pull between my branches. I always get a bzr: ERROR: invalid header line: ''
User28: error message
User28: Any ideas of what could be going wrong?
User22: User28 could you try again passing -Derror on the command line?
User28: $ bzr push -Derror ~/WebDav/myDisk/webpage/PIM/
User28: bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.BzrError: invalid header line: ''
User28: Traceback (most recent call last):
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 842, in exception_to_return_code
User28: return the_callable(*args, **kwargs)
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 1037, in run_bzr
User28: ret = run(*run_argv)
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 654, in run_argv_aliases
User28: return self.run(**all_cmd_args)
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/builtins.py", line 1156, in run
User28: use_existing_dir=use_existing_dir)
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/push.py", line 128, in _show_push_branch
User28: remember, create_prefix)
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/bzrdir.py", line 1293, in push_branch
User28: tree_to.update()
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/workingtree.py", line 2216, in update
User28: return self._update_tree(old_tip, change_reporter)
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/mutabletree.py", line 53, in tree_write_locked
User28: return unbound(self, *args, **kwargs)
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/workingtree.py", line 2239, in _update_tree
User27: ...
User28: last_rev = self.get_parent_ids()[0]
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/decorators.py", line 138, in read_locked
User28: result = unbound(self, *args, **kwargs)
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/workingtree_4.py", line 413, in get_parent_ids
User28: return self.current_dirstate().get_parent_ids()
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/dirstate.py", line 1903, in get_parent_ids
User28: self._read_header_if_needed()
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/dirstate.py", line 2228, in _read_header_if_needed
User28: self._read_header()
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/dirstate.py", line 2210, in _read_header
User28: self._read_prelude()
User29: ahem ^^
User28: File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/dirstate.py", line 2242, in _read_prelude
User28: 'invalid header line: %r' % (header,))
 * beuno facepalm
User28: BzrError: invalid header line: ''
User28: sorry for the spamming...
User27: User28 USE PASTBIN ==> http://paste.ubuntu.com
 * nailuj24 points stakh to www.paste.ubuntu.com
User28: that's better : http://paste.ubuntu.com/351895/
User29: thanks
User30: How can I get bzr gdiff to ignore whitespace?
User28: actually, I realized that it's also impossible to add files in one of the branches. Something must be corrupted with it
User28: I solved the issue by deleting the defective branch and recreating it. Seems to be working now, just hope it does not happen too often
User31: hi, how can I make my local bzr repository show files in a specific revision?
User32: happyaron, you can branch at a specific revision
User32: or, if it's just one file:  bzr cat FILENAME -r REVNO
User32: or if you want to revert the whole tree, bzr revert -r REVNO
User31: User32 oh, just revert, but how can I turn back then?
User32: happyaron, don't commit, and then just "bzr revert"
User31: ok, thanks
User32: but I'd branch off if you're going to experiment  ;)
User27: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/503465 need help
User23: Ubuntu bug 503465 in bzr "bzr crash when tying login in launchpad" [Undecided,New]
User31: User32 oh, I will make another copy first
User32: happyaron, why not just branch off then?
User32: it's effectively the same thing
User31: User32 I am new with bzr, and always mess up
User31: and I don't want to check out everything for a second time ...
User31: User32 I think it works, thanks
User8: User21 are we fully  redundant now ?
User8: User21 AFAIK we still had ambiguous records in the pack
User21: User8 text files don't store the parent graph
User21: and neither do revisions, but we could infer that
User21: from the Revision data
User21: infering the text graph requires going through the inventories and regenerating it, etc.
User21: so we are *sort of * redundant :)
User21: not trivially so
User8: User21 right, and not in the presence of bugs generating the original data.
User21: User8 well, you could set the data to empty, and then run reconcile, right ? :)
User21: oh...
User21: and we don't store the file-id for the text content
User21: only in the index
User21: so we would have to guess
User8: well, use the sha1 from the inventory
User8: and hope its not the DoD's birthday.
User8: User21 can you finish helping ted? I'm really not well.
User21: User8 sure
User21: feel better
User27: Why my commits by bzr on launchpad.net displayed as Registry Administrators <https://launchpad.net/~registry>
User27: mb offtopic? but on #launchpad unaware
User33: can I commit binary files (eg. a png image file) to bazaar in just the same way as text files?
User29: User33 yes
User33: ok, thanks
User29: np
User34: hi people
User34: what answer do we give to people who have branched a packs repo into a local 2a
User34: and try to push / commit back?
User34: (happening on #launchpad right now)
User21: User27 can you point to an actual commit that shows up that way?
User21: User34 push upstream to upgrade
User21: and/or
User21: start over
User21: I'm not sure if 'rebase' provides enough support to allow you to regenerate the commits easily.
User27: jam trouble fixed
User7: Good morning.
User10: Good morning. :D
User27: morning?! :)
User27: Although of course I know we should not forget that - when I got up, then the morning :)
User35: hi
User35: i'am using the bzr explorer and this tool is great. but there is one question.
User10: Just one? I guess that's pretty good. :D
User35: when i want to push a new commit a new dialog opens and at the top i can choose a location. there the last location that i was using is stored. but there is this down arrow, can it be used to choose different locations? where would i have to define them?
User36: Hi all!
User36: I am new to version control systems. What is the best approach to prevent some files from being uploaded; example: I created a project on launchpad where I uploaded a web-application code. Some parts of the code contain data that is specific to my development environment (database passwords, smtp auth passwords, etc). How do people usually deal with this kind of situation? Does bzr provide some kind of functionality to handle this kind of situation?
User29: User36 bzr ignore --help
User29: :)
User12: put them in config files
User12: and don't add the config files
User35: right, never add that kind of data to the source code
User36: and if I create a branch using "bzr branch ./trunk ./dev" then I push the trunk using "bzr push (..launchpad)", will the "dev" branch also appear on launchpad or only the trunk?
User12: only the one you push
User36: I see.. earlier I branched out my "dev" to create a "trunk", then made changes to the settings file to remove sensitive data, did a "commit" and then pushed to launchpad. Revision 1 & 2 appeared on launchpad, revision 1 containing all my sensitive data... that kinda sucked...
User12: yes
User12: if you're only at rev 2, you might want to start over
User35: i'am normaly using sourceforge for my projects. now i added one also to launchpad. i'Am completely new to this interface and just don't find where i can upload files. What do i have to do?
User36: i did start over
User12: that's not starting over
User12: or did you do something else?
User36: I mean I removed the .bzr folder, removed the branch from launchpad and re-pushed the proper way
User12: User35 try #launchpad if no one pipes up here
User36: but now I am being more careful with what I do... anyways, i'll look into ignore.
User12: ah, so you're sorted?  launchpad doesn't host your passwords anymore?
User36: bob2, of course, I sorted that in the 30 seconds after I realized what I had done
User12: ah
User12: sorry, I thought you were asking how to fix that
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User36: thanks for your help, i'll look into  --ignore
User37: is there any known way to work with a moin wiki using bzr?
User38: User37 you mean a vzr backend for moinmoin?
User38: *bzr
User37: ronny, not necessarily
User38: User37 then what do you mean?
User38: ima a part-time moinmoin contributor (i.e. conference based patching)
User37: ronny, I mean, being able to have local copies of moin wiki pages, to be able to edit them, commit, revert, merge updates from the wiki and then push them to the wiki when I am ready to publish
User38: ah, so you mean a foreign repo format
User37: ronny, yeah, I think that's closer to what I mean.
User37: ronny, I mean, if moin had a bzr backend (which it probably ought to), that would give me what I want for free -- provided I could convince wiki maintainers to switch
User38: for now a bzr backend is unlikely
User38: at least a sane one
User37: ronny, fair enough.
User37: ronny, what about a remote repo format?
User38: versioned file metadata is required
User38: possible
User38: but you better target the 2.0
User37: 'the 2.0'?
User38: moin 2.0 has a completely different storage system
User37: ronny, ahh, I see.
User38: User8 btw, is there any reasonable way to add versioned per-file metadata? afair a2 doesnt have it
User37: ronny, I would have guessed that the remote repo format would operate via the webservice anyway
User38: User37 the moinmoin < 2.0 has a kind of messy storage engine
User38: 2.0 fixes that
User38: in a really good way
User38: hmm
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