User1: brb
User2: was there a problem with the updates yesterday?
User2: now when i try to do a recording i get and error about is the backend server running can't connect
User1: Gah, I can't get NVidia TVout working...
User3: make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_pvr150'
User3: Makefile:185: *** missing separator.
User3: I can't build the lirc driver for certain kernels
User3: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=582262
User3: guess I will have to go back to a older kernel, non server edition
User4: are you watching lifetime?
User4: nm joke.
User3: which nvidia driver you using?
User3: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/3ac8c4820de83e4c/b28aa97db455524c
User3: uh oh
User3: you've got bigger problems then
User3: but now you've got a starting point
User3: "new" is a relative term
User3: learn to use your os to get pertinent info
User3: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
User3: that still says nothing meaningful
User3: use the cmd I gave you
User3: whatever, that aint the latest and greatest from nvidia
User3: and your too green to be able to install the latest...
User3: my statement stands
User3: the latest from Nvidia has the most recent bug fixes
User3: might want to read up on it
User3: you like pink huh?
User3: relax, I'm jonesing you
User3: I'm on the hunt to fix an issue of my own
User3: I reccomend the driver from nvidia
User3: it won't break a thing
User3: it made compiz more stable for me
User3: and the changelog specifically says it fixes MANY issues
User3: once I reboot, to use Hardy's older kernel, so I can have my remote back, I will have to recompile my nvidia driver
User5: so I add a mpeg2 file to the recordings directory and how do I add it to the database so I can transcode, commercial rip, etc?
User5: on the BE...sorry
User5: i am looking at mythfilldatabase --file, but I don't think that is what I want, is it...I dont really have a source, offset, or an xmlfile for this....do I?
User5: I guess I don't fully understand what it is asking me for
User5: will findorphans work for this?
 * tritium kicks his myth box for disobeying a direct order to record the national championship game!
User5: User6 I know how you feel
User6: User5 oh well...
User5: good thing it was a terrible game...eh?
User5: ;)
User6: I don't know!  I didn't get a chance to see it ;)
User7: need some hep with a nexus-s 2.1 card, can someone help?
User7: or point me in the right dirrection
User7: can anyone answer a dvb ?
User8: superm1, howdy
User8: who do I talk to about translating mythbuntu apps?
User9: mooo
User9: barrrf
User5: User10 you there?
User10: yep
User10: whats up?
User5: i am so close on this little project....can I bounce ideas off you?
User10: sure
User5: This is what I have so far running as a cron job.  Goto folder where .tivo files saved, convert tivo to mpeg, copy file to ..../mythtv/recordings, add them to mythtb db....Now I need to convert mpeg to mp4 or avi or what ever is best and then rip out commercials
User5: my wife loves her tivo....so I cant get rid of it, so I am trying to work the two together
User5: unfortunately as soon as I add the files to the mthtv db, it changes their names so I cant script against the name anymore...does anyone have a suggestion on how to get around it?
User10: why don't you just rip them to your end container right away
User10: instead of mpeg2?
User10: I'm also not sure how the mythcommflag works, if it requires the video to be in a certain format or not
User10: if you do it in a perl script you can query the database to get info, thats what I do with my ipod scripts
User5: im not sure either. when you decodeTivo, it leaves the mpeg2 behind.  I would love to convert it to avi or h.264 before I add it to myth, but I can't find a 'good' way to do it.  I am very, VERY green with transcode, mencoder, ffmpeg
User10: ah ok
User10: I thought you were maybe using something like ffmpeg to make the mpeg2's
User5: naw...I take the .tivo file, run it through decodetivo and I am left with mpeg2
User10: I would first research and see how you would go about using mythtv's commflaging on your recordings
User5: not sure if its raw, or what
User10: btw how are you getting the files from tivo?
User5: i know it has to be in the db to use commflagging
User5: galleon
User5: galleon.tv
User5: it rocks
User5: decoding using a new linux project called tivodecoder, i think....it unencrypts the file, but leaves it as a mpeg2
User10: hmmm, do you need a certain tivo series or anything to use it?
User10: my brother has one through DTV and he has been wondering if he can use tivotogo or anything with it
User5: yep, that is exactly the process I am working on
User5: I have a HD series 3, but the tivodecode seems to think it will work with others
User10: how is your tivo hooked up to other things, network?
User10: he claims there is usb on his box and ethernet on another one in the house
User5: network, yes
User10: do you have to do anything to access it, or does it just work?
User5: not sure what tivo does with the usb
User5: galleon will find tivo boxes on the same network segment and it just works, after you add your tivo encryption key
User5: they call it the MAK
User10: ah
User10: I'll have to take my laptop home and try it out there
User10: as far as your stuff: once you import the recording can you go into the recordings, select it and run the commflag job?
User5: can I script that?
User10: sure
User10: just try it there first and see what happens
User10: it can be run cli
User5: cli
User10: command line interface
User10: mythcommflag
User10: is the command
User5: okay, I guess I will have to bang the db to find the right file......wait, I found this script in the forums it uses VIDEODIR and FILENAME AND calls several
User5: mythcommflag -f $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME
User5: mythcommflag --gencutlist -f $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME
User5: mythtranscode --honorcutlist --showprogress -i $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME -o $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME.tmp
User5: mv $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME.tmp $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME
User5: mythcommflag -f $VIDEODIR/${FILENAME} --rebuild
User5: mythcommflag --clearcutlist -f $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME
User5:
User10: is that the one from the wiki?
User5: yes
User5: i don't remember its name, I called it autoRMCommercials.sh  ;)
User5: but once I add the file to the db, mythtv changes the name of the file, so I cant script against it.
User5: i guess I could hold the name, query the db for the new name, then run this script
User5: would that work?
User10: I can't find it in the wiki anymore
User10: I tried something that was in there and didn't like the results
User5: maybe we are trying the same one...I was hoping not to have to learn the complete CLI for mythcommflag and mythtranscode...;)
User5: lazy...lazy...lazy....I know
User10: well first of all myth doesn't always catch the commercials 100% correct
User10: so that right there may be a problem
User10: which is why by default it just marks that point and lets you skip and doesn't actually remove them
User5: okay...so I shouldn't script that part anyways then
User5: i don't know the actual durations of the files so I am blanketing them all with 3 hours, and hoping that myth will adjust the duration after I remove the commercials
User5: will it break myth if the actual duration is 30 and you put in 15, will myth only show 15 min of the show?
User10: I had problems where that script was somehow screwing up the timing tracks of my recordings
User5: that would explain a lot
User10: hmmm when does it ask the duration, on that myth.rebuild script?
User5: I  kept getting an error that the first fram was not a B-frame , I think
User5: yes it asks in myth.rebuild
User5: btw, you are awesome for helping me
User10: thats an encoding issue I think
User5: hopefully I can return the favor, after I learn more about this system...Its pretty big
User10: do the imported recordings actually play in myth?
User5: Thats what I though, I hope it will go away when I transcode to new type, like avi or h.264
User5: yes they do
User11: avi is a container
User11: h264 is a codec
User5: yeah..thats right....sorry still learning terminology
User5: how do i get the h264 in a mp4 container?
User10: encode it with ffmpeg
User10: its super slow on gutsy though
User10: better off going xvid
User5: how do i do that? xvid...not familiar with it
User5: can i do the encoding with ffmpeg from within mythtv?
User10: mythtranscode can make you xvid videos, but I have no clue how to script it
User10: you can just call ffmpeg to do it
User10: what are you going to do about commflagging?
User10: going to just use the flag points, or going to remove them?
User10: them == commercials
User5: know of any good examples....after I ffmpeg it, I will try to commflagg it...I hope to remove them, but well have to see
User5: i was looking at mencode, that is a beast!!!
User5: not sure if I would ever figure it out
User10: google around and see if you can commflag after you transcode/encode
User10: I wouldn't be certain that you can
User10: I can give you the ffmpeg lines I use for ipod, you are gonna want a higher quality/resolution prob
User5: do you think it has to be 'raw
User10: not sure
User5: mpeg2 to work
User5: ok...Ill check around
User10: I know most cards leave them there in mpeg2 or nuv format
User5: myth would really eat up the hd space then
User10: just a wii bit
User10: mine run 2gb per 30 mins
User5: the h264 I was converting via tivo desktop were 1/4 the size of the mpeg2 files with the commercials left in .... ;)
User5: just not sure what options they used.... :((
User5: that part rocked
User10: I have heard that ffmpeg h264 in hardy runs a lot quicker
User10: you can do h264 now if you want, but it takes a loooong time
User5: so I should use ffmpeg with what was it?
User5: xvid?
User10: thats what I would use, but its your call
User12: Hello, is anyone familiar with STB cards?
User12: Found an old STB card that I would like to get working with Mythbuntu. Card was made in 1996. Anyone know if it might work?
User11: STB card is an oxymoron. STB means "set-top box". it's the exact opposite of a tuner
User11: of a card, even
User12: It says STB Systems on the card
User12: On Mythbuntu hardware support page, I see "STB TV PCI FM" as a supported software encorder card
User11: THAT stb? christ, going back a few years...
User13: User12 if it's that old it probably will work - but why not just try it?
User12: yeah man...very old
User11: what's the chip on the card?
User13: i'll bet it's a BT
User12: well, they cover the chip with a sticker... but its a "Bt848KPF"
User11: Daviey, gotta check
User12: User13 I'm gonna plan on trying it :)
User11: abovebrew, will more than likely be fine then. very old, supported chip
User11: abovebrew, remember there are many downsides to using cpu-based cards like that though
User13: BT 848 is pretty uncommon, my money was on the 878
User11: Daviey, 848 still works, no?
User13: i guess so, no experience with it
User12: User11 do you think a p4 2.0ghz will decode analog catv?
User13: in the 2 mins we've gone through this - you could have tested it :)
User13: User12 catv is regardless
User12: User13 I couldn't... i'm new to the linux world
User13: User12 it'll be fine
User11: abovebrew, yeah, but res will be low, interoperability will be low, quality will be low
User13: it's fine for testing until you get hooked and buy a decent one :)
User12: User11 i'm just going for cheap that works :)
User13: resolution will sure be low tho
User12: User13 yeah, thats exactly my plan ... cheap til i understand it... then move into the big boy areana
User5: when running myth-rebuilddatabase --file, why does it ask you for the duration anyway...that could/should be calculated to be sure its right....Is the duration important for recordings table?
User12: Daviey, User11 Thanks guys
User11: javatexan, there's no easy way to work it out from the recording, as there's no header on mpeg2-ts
User11: javatexan, the only way to work it out is to scan the entire file
User13: and there can't be - you don't know the size of the file until it's recorded
User13: and myth doesn't need it - so shouldn't waste cpu time to calculate
User5: oh...what does myth use the duration for.  I am pretty sure I am giving it the wrong duration size.  How will it affect mythtv if its too long or too short?
User13: use the orphans script, in contrib :)
User10: that is what he is using
User13: myth-rebuilddatabase ?
User10: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl
User13: i mean myth.find_orphans.pl.
User13: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/myth.find_orphans.pl.gz
User10: that doesn't exist on mine
User10: though I do have it in my home dir, I forget where I got that from
User10: and doesn't that just find orphans and clean them from the db if you want it to
User10: or clean recordings with no db info
User13: no
User13: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth.find_orphans.pl
User10: ya
User13: It adds orphaned files to the db - which is what he's trying to do!
User13: geez
User10: so does myth.rebuilddatabase -f file
User13: but myth.find_orphans.pl will scan the mpeg file for length AIUO
User13: AIUI
User10: I'm pretty sure it doesn't
User10: #  By default, running the script will simply return a list of problems it finds.
User10: #  Running with --dodbdelete will remove db recorded rows for which there is no matching
User10: #  media file.  Running with --dodelete will delete media files for which there is no
User10: #  matching db record.
User10: I've used myth.findorphans to clean up extra junk in my recordings dir before
User10: I swear it didn't come in the apt packages though
User13: dunno
User3: mythtv-backend scripts dies upon start
User3: one must run mythtvbackend from terminal
User14: Can any one offer advice on using mythbuntu with Dish network
User3: read the wiki's how to on the matter?
User15: Would the Matrox G450 be an ideal card for Multimonitors and TV output via svideo?
User15: oh and my pc is small form factor as well.. so half height issues
User15: unless i get the pci version .. then I have more space
User15: User14 I use mythbuntu with dish network
User14: solarbaby what reciever do you have
User15: User14 its an old one with a hard drive in it
User14: 625?
User15: User14 dishpvr 100 gig hard drive i believe
User15: User14 doesn't even matter which one, they all work
User14: do you use lirc?
User15: User14 yup
User15: User14 I use a usbuirt
User15: User14 and i wrote the docs on how to make it work
User15: User14 its somewheree in the ubuntu forum
User14: cool I will have to order one of those,  I have been looking and googling and most post are from 2005 - 2006
User15: User14 mines 2007
User15: User14 i'll see if I can locate the howto I wrote for you
User14: ok
User15: User14 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3552425
User14: I found your post on the forums
User15: it was funny all i had to type in to google was "solarbaby usbuirt" and the whole history of my experiences popped up :)
User14: that is also what I googled
User14: strange we thought along the same lines
User15: User14 it took me weeks to figure out how to make my usbuirt work with lirc
User15: User14 there are better devices for working with lirc..  but I made mine work none the less
User15: User14 read the post carefully and in a quoted conversation I had with the creator of usbuirt he gives me a little insight why
User14: if your codes work I should not have to learn new ones
User14: I was thinking thought if one has windows access maybe a user could use windows to get a code set.  I am not sure if this would be useful for nix users or not
User15: I tried..  they weren't compatable
User10: User5 anything new?
User15: User14 I added all the codes you'll need for PVR functionality
User15: User14 channels, power
User5: not yet....
User10: ideally if you can commflag an mpeg4 video, then you can encode it before you add it to myth
User15: any recommendations on sff video cards with dual head?
User15: or if the term fits ya better.. half height video cards with dual head
User11: xfx make some
User11: of pny make some cheapo quadros
User15: User11 do you think they will be compatable with ubuntumyth?
User11: sure, why not
User15: User11 right on
User11: the vga out on the low profile xfx cards is shit though
User15: User11 ah
User15: User11 matrox has a external device that I have my eye on..  check this out http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/02/matrox-triplehead2go-gives-your-laptop-3-more-screens/
User15: User11 im not seeing any linux drivers for it just yet.. unfortunately.. but I haven't really looked very hard .. perhaps theres a 3rd party solution out there
User11: solarbaby, matrox stopped bothering with linux years ago
User15: User11 that was a really poor decision to not bother with linux
User11: solarbaby, why? linux users are cheap. they'd rather buy old g450 cards than new cards
User15: User11 good point..  but linux pvr users spend alot of money, and thats all happening very fast now
User14: is there support for 1080i with mythbuntu using an asus motherboard
User11: solarbaby, TINY markey
User11: market
User15: User11 in the scheme of things, you are correct
User15: User11 well I'll just have to get both a video card with dual head, and this device..  Im pretty sold on it for the windows side of things.. It looks like it was truly devloped with the gamer in mind, and thats fascinating.. I might start playing computer games again..  hehe.. haven't done that since amiga days
User11: solarbaby, matrox have never developed hardware with the gamer in mind
User11: solarbaby, even parhelia, which was meant to bring 3-head graphics to games, had proper support in like 2 games, and was severely outclassed by every ati and nvidia card on the market
User11: solarbaby, okay, i lie, the matrox mystique was developed with the gamer in mind, back in the msdos days
User15: User11 hehe..  i read a tid bit, that sez with this external device..  games can be played on both monitors, although the computer thinks its only 1 wide screen
User11: solarbaby, right. and as soon as you ask it to draw some polygons, it chokes because it's not as good as an nvidia. i think there's an asus external pcie thing available, which would be a much better external graphics card with a good geforce inside
User11: http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=5369
User15: User11 Thanks!
User15: User11 this device requires a pci express slot..  thats something Im not sure I wanna be forced to use
User16: anyone using the mythbuntu live autostart package.  I want to run a frontend via the cd but need to be able to modify nfs mount and setup a irman lirc configuation for my ira reciever
User15: User11 unless I can add a pci express slot to my desktop computer as well
User15: User16 as far as I know..  if you wanna make changes you have to install it
User16: This package can be used on a Mythbuntu live cd to tailor the session for usage without a hard drive. When running, it will let you create a configuration that is stored on any type of media that is mounted in /media. The next time the session is started, this configuration file will be read in and used to run the envionment
User16: Currently, it supports:
User16: * Samba Mount (W/ optional username or password)
User16: * NFS Mount
User16: * Automatic frontend launch
User16: * Hostname modification
User16: * External Home Directory
User16: * Remote Control selection
User16: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/mythbuntu-live-autostart
User16: should i punt this over to mythtv-users
User15: User16 this stuff keeps getting better and better ;)
User16: User15 yeah after 3+ year I am amazed
User16: fack Lirc 8.2 has broken the irman
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