User1: pleia2, thanks for the language answer, I got your e-mail and contacted the writer.
User2: User1 yay :)
User3: User18 is there a new upstream release?
User3: User18 if it's not critical to the beta, I suggest getting the update sponsored into Debian and we can sync post beta 1
User4: not that critical to the beta. freeze was yesterday (monday)
User4: off to bed
User4: nighty!
User2: boo, no b1 isos yet, will have to test tomorrow
 * Noskcaj points pleia2 to the daily ISOs
User2: User21 yeah yeah :)
User2: I actually do have limited time for this, so I want to focus on helping complete testing for the b1 things, tonight I'll just shift to another part of my todo list
User5: Hey guys. Just came across the marketing flyers ect for ubuntu & xubuntu, the one where it mentions windows xp going out of support. I might be interested to volunteer by printing out flyers to hand out, put in letter boxes & put up at community places.
User2: User5 that's great!
User2: User5 I had about 50 of the US size printed up for a conference this past weekend, went well :)
User5: pleia2, What is US size? Is it larger than A4?
User2: User5 wider and shorter
User2: I've been collecting photos of the flyers used "in the wild" - none yet from outside the US
User6: User2 I suspect I'll be asking for a b1 rebuild being as how it's not turned up - should be one this evening for you :)
User5: pleia2, oh okay, the standard size here for flyers & letters is A4. Was gonna try & put one up on the shopping mall corkboard, maybe put a few in the letter boxes in my street, then print out a heap to hand out at my next group meetup.
User2: User6 it's after 11pm for me, sleepytime soon
User2: User5 yeah, us USians have to be difficult, everyone else uses A4
User6: tomorrow evening then :)
User2: User6 yes!
User2: User5 and that sounds perfect :)
User6: it's much too early for me to understand timezones ...
User5: pleia2, so where could I upload a photo for you to collect of the ones I put up around town? Hopefully if I study & stay in a town 20mins away I can also put them up around the study buildings.
User2: User5 you can share it on flickr/google/fb or just email it to me: markalvarado@example.net and I'll share it around
User6: User4 can I just request rebuild on the tracker - or do I have to go ask in -release?
User5: pleia2, it will also be a good test for my new printer that's been sitting in its box for 2 months.
User2: User5 nice
User5: pleia2, Added you to my contacts in my email so that I don't forget later, also sent you an email just as a test I guess.
User2: \o/
User5: Fair well, be back later, I hath chores to do around my house.
User5: pleia2, erm what does that symbol mean? Rock n Roll hand signal?
User2: doh
User6: I guess that symbol means - don't press here :p
User2: I think he meant my cheering \o/
User6: :)
User6: User4 requested rebuild via the tracker
User7: Don't do "\o/" on Skype, it's a disco dude. :/
User6: or just don't do skype :p
User8: Couldn't you disable emoji in skype?
User7: Yes, but the person you are talking to still gets the wrong image.
User8: Oh ok. Blah.
User7: (Also why I'm using Skype.)
User7: Hmmm...  What I'm missing in datetime is a configurable number of clocks under the calendar if you click it, like in gsimplecal.
User7: (Is xfce4-datetime-plugin not the default?)
User5: Anyone in here actually on the xubuntu development team by any chance?
User6: lotsa
User6: them
User7: ^ He is.
User6: so is he ^
User7: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10202 like this I presume, if he's actually thinking of it like gsimplecal.
User9: bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10202 in General "Display multiple timezones" [Enhancement,New]
User7: <--- channel weirdo, actually.
User6: User5 https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active
User6: User7 there is that too ...
User7: User10 I suppose that's not something you'd like/be able to do? :)
User5: Well there you go, I've been talking to 1/4 of you without knowing. I must tell all of my friends how cool I am (kidding).
User7: Depends what you mean by Xubuntu dev team, but what's up?
User6: any talk of voodoo and I'll be off
User5: :O Was just listening to a Jake E Lee pre Ozzy Osbourne album with a song called Voodoo on it. Do De Do Do Do De Do Do (Twilight zone)
User5: Do you guys/gals all live near each other, ever met or do things together?
User7: Nope, nope, nope.
User7: (Those are for me, astraljava and knome are pretty close, or were.)
User6: I'd say the same
User7: Closest to me would have to be mica, I'd say.
User5: So do yol just work on seperate elements of xubuntu or have a live contact when working on stuff?
User6: we talk to each other in here
User5: Swoit
User5: Should setup a TeamSpeak server so yous aren't completely text robots.
User5: Do you guys set your own dead lines for the xubuntu updates releases & o/s releases (eg, 14.04) or is there a bit of canonical input in those regards?
User6: we work with the release schedule
User6: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
User5: I was just markalvarado@example.net. Pretty interesting, the more I log into xubuntu instead of windows the more I learn. Once most of my steam library is supported I'll be on here 24/7
User6: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
User5: I think I've asked this before a couple of weeks ago but I'm probably more understanding of the inner clockworks of xubuntu now to understand whatever yol tell me. Is there something to install that when I press & hold the super key  will bring up a fancy screen which will tell me what hotkeys I have available, something that when I also change what my hotkeys do update automatically & display accurate hotkey list?
User10: we had such a project in the works a longer while ago
User10: but got distracted by more important tasks
User10: hmm, light-locker-settings is still stuck in the queue
User10: sergio-br2: if you'
User10: re referring to the mimes96 branch, i already reviewed and merged ;)
User10: (finally receiving email-notifications about merge-requests)
 * elfy would have swapped with ochosi ...
User10: User6 swapped what?
User10: like changing places?
User6: getting merge requests
User6: yea - you can get all the ones I get :)
User10: hehe
User10: sergio-br2: no worries, even if we don't finish all 96px mimes, this is *so* much better than what we had already...
User10: so have a good time and talk to you when you're back
User10: not sure i'll get to much drawing myself
User10: but i'll try ;)
User10: User6 i've been working alone on the icon-theme for years now, it's really nice to finally get some merge-requests :>
User6: I don't doubt that at all - I've watched you working on it alone for as long as I've been floating about :)
 * ochosi feels like elfy's truman show now
User6: ha ha ha
User11: User10 beta1 will ship with saucy's xubuntu-artwork package, is the new trusty one stuck in the queue?
User10: yup
User10: sponsors queue
User11: :(
User10: User11 why not become a packager yourself and help out xubuntu? ;)
User11: or batman
User11: :)
User11: packaging is not enjoyable for me as of now
User11: bug triager is on my todo list
 * elfy puts on installing beta head and is bored already
User5: perhaps yol could give me things to try & report?
User12: try to figure out why thunar crashes
User5: Don't even know what thunar is lol, I think I've seen it in the startup applications though
User5: Yep it's in that auto start session thing
User5: What is Thunar?
User5: otay cheers
User4: ochosi, hrrrr, why no tell me we have packages on the queue?
User6: what package do I need to report a bug for keyboard layout changing between the loginscreen and the desktop ...
User6: hi knome
User4: hey elfy
User4: elfy, does keyboard layout changing work outside the greeter?
User6: no even looking at that - when the desktop boots - keyboard is set to US
User6: which works wonders when your password has symbols ...
User6: possibly slickymaster-job
User6: thanks slickymaster-job
User10: User4 well you know we have >1 pkgs in the queue, it has been like that for quite a while
User10: User4 currently it's 7 (http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/)
User10: and since xubuntu-artwork wasn't as crucial for b1 as other things...
User4: ugh. right, but ugh
User10: it mostly contains icon-updates and the s/302-869-4807/ in plymouth-text
User4: mhm
User4: elfy, if you intend to do another respin, let me know first (because if you do, we'll get another package updated)
User6: I doubt if I will - I was just wondering where our images had got to
User10: User4 frankly, what bothers me more is that light-locker-settings is still stuck in the upload queue
User10: User12 you around? tedg just came online
User13: good morning everyone!  I have installed xubuntu 14.04 Alpha 2 and it's running pretty good.  But today 2 different times I get to the xubuntu desktop and my cursor is frozen, won't move, is there a quick fix for tha or ?  2nd question which is more mundane why abiword and not libreoffice package?
User14: you mean, why not libreoffice by default?
User14: you can install libreoffice easily from the repos.. abiword is the chosen default
User6: User13 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-January/009615.html
User13: oka that's the mundane > I have no problem with that, more of a curiosity than any thing else holstein
User6: as far as a2 is concerned - we've had numerous dailies since then - and if you've been updating you've not got a2 either
User6: and we're looking at b1 now - do you see the same thing with that - if you do make sure you report it on the tracker
User14: User13 likely chosen in the first place for size and lightness
User13: Thank you elfy for that link I have read it and understand
User13: But my real question is why my cursor is frozen when I first turn my comp and go to xubuntu desktop?
User13: Is there something I can do thru cli or ?
User14: i would try an older kernel.. i would try a different session
User13: okay will check for new updats, haven't since In stalled a few days ago and I got tons of updates/upgrades/dist-upgrades
User6: User10 well I checked LANG and locale - both report gb, odd
User10: User6 not odd, that means the greeter works
User10: locale != keyboard-layout
User10: the greeter only controls the locale at the moment
User6: I meant the bug itself
User6: well locale might well be saying GB - but it's not - it's US
User6: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/1284635/comments/5
User9: Launchpad bug 1284635 in console-setup (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [Undecided,New]
User6: never mind - reading != as = there
User10: ok :)
User10: User12 so it seems we'll have to ship the workaround for now i guess
User6: User4 what's your view on failing tests for the xfdesktop crash
User10: User12 sorry, i seem to be forgetting all about the indicator-issues from one discussion to the next :/
User12: User6 xfdesktop is fixed upstream, fwiw
User6: User12 thanks
User12: actually, got a link to the lp bug?
User6: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1282509
User9: Launchpad bug 1282509 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh()" [Medium,Triaged]
User12: ah, already has the upstream report linked
User6: oh yea - I'd have said that if I knew that's what you were after :)
User6: User12 be useful if someone else with a gb keyboard could confirm bug 1284635
User9: bug 1284635 in console-setup (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1284635
User12: i haven't seen that
User12: but then i only login about once a month
User6: :)
User12: i guess i can try the ISO
User12: there was a bug like this in ubuntu/unity, i think i mentioned it
User12: unless this is a new one
User6: possibly remember you saying something
User6: not even sure if I've reported it against the right package tbh
User12: well, i've got no idea. keyboard layouts is one thing i just don't understand
User12: !info console-setup
User9: console-setup (source: console-setup): console font and keymap setup program. In component main, is important. Version 1.70ubuntu7 (saucy), package size 1109 kB, installed size 1531 kB
User6: :)
User12: yeah so console keymaps and X keymaps are totally different - that's one thing i do know
User12: i never did figure out how they relate though
User10: User15 thanks for your email, just replied. mind if i ask you to review the upcoming merge-request that concerns the whiskermenu-settings?
User15: User10 sure thing, what is involved in that?
User10: User15 not much, just the switch to defaults.rc in the xfce4-subfolder and checking whether i didn't mess up any options :)
User10: always better to have more pairs of eyes on changes
User15: happy to help
User10: thanks a bunch!
User15: you're welcome :)
User10: on some days i really wish it would be possible to also search all the stuff that's in the settingsmanager from appfinder/whiskermenu
User15: interesting thought, not sure how I would go about adding that
User10: yeah, iirc it isn't really (easily) possible
User16: http://goput.it/es0f.png is this the wallpaper we are suppose to see on ubiquity?
User17: hehe
User17: it used to be something else.
User10: indeed
User16: ah... should the greeter be white?
User10: User16 semi-white
User16: ?
User16: selling?
User12: User10 why wouldn't that be possible?
User12: if i can have them all on a menu, whiskermenu must be able to search them
User16: http://goput.it/jzmy.png
User16: like this?
User10: User12 yeah, frankly, i've forgotten why it wouldn't work :>
User10: User16 yes
User16: :/ what happened to the pretty black  one
User18: User12 still experimenting with thunar? maybe you could take a look at bug 880533 (in case you get bored of the memory corruption issue)
User9: bug 880533 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar reports Trash Empty when it is not" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880533
User18: :)
User12: hmm... that's ancient... sure it still happens?
User18: yes
User18: I marked my new report as dupe
User18: and there is also another user confirming it in 14.04
User16: elfy, virtualbox only had one available resolution, http://goput.it/zmok.png , first opening showed that xfdesktop failed, http://goput.it/9piv.png , that did not show up in later boots, mugshot crashed everytime i tried to change the avatar,  http://goput.it/s1i9.png , the log off menu has a missmatching white border, http://goput.it/524b.png , also the already reported problems with wallpapers and abiwords ruler
User12: ...i don't have a trash icon in the panel...?
User18: sidebar?
User12: oh wait, i see
User12: hmm... can't reproduce
User18: did you relog?
User12: no
User18: delete a file, relog, open thunar
User6: User16 yea - I know all about vbox :| but it won't make any difference to running the tests
User16: brainwash, tested the trash thing and it says i have 1 item if i reboot or relog, repeated the steps in the last comment of the bug
User18: User16 no, the logout dialog is meant to be this way, white + grey, just like the login box
User16: :/
User16: i wont even ask why
 * GridCube just dont get it
User16: elfy, would this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1282509 be the same i saw as xfdesktop failing?
User9: Launchpad bug 1282509 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh()" [Medium,Triaged]
User6: yea
User6: loads of dupes
User6: fixed upstream ali1234 tells me
User16: my keyboard doesnt change, i've reloged like 10 times
User6: keyboard layout do you mean?
User16: i guess
User6: perhaps it is just when you set kbd to gb
User16: so then i dont report the logout white borders?
User10: User16 that's the intended look
User16: but it looks wrong
User16: gah, nevermind i wont report it
 * ochosi shrugs
User16: yep thats exactly why it wont make any sense reporting it
User6: User10 is whisker-menu definitely replacing the old app menu?
User4: elfy, yes, that was decided on the meeting
User6: ok cool - just checking before I start looking at testcases
User4: elfy, we tweaked the settings a bit yesterday with ochosi, you probably want to make sure you are seeing the latest setup
User6: not necessary atm
User4: slickymaster-job, i just haven't got to it yet :)
User6: User4 actually I'll leave it for the moment and look when we've made a decision on what to have in favourites
User4: elfy, we discussed that, but i'd be in touch with ochosi :)
User6: yep
User19: will there be site translations?
User4: Calinou, if you are asking about xubuntu.org, doesn't look realistic for trusty
User19: OK
User19: oh, you're the website designer :D
User4: i am
User4: ochosi, GridCube pointed out in -offtopic that the greeter password field could be lighter compared to the background of the top part (compare how the search box stands out more in the settings manager)
User13: I do not know if this 'useful feedback' but I still have a problem of a frozen cursor at start up on the xubuntu desktop, it's frozen in the middle of the page and nothing works, I have to 'hard crash my laptop to get to windows to do anything?  I believe this is useful feedback also.
User14: User13 on 14.04
User13: yes holstein
User13: sorry forgot to mention that
User14: could be related to the graphics driver and the newer kernel..
User13: is there anything I can do on my  laptop, like a cli thing
User13: or the ubuntu software
User14: User13 you can try confirming if its graphics related.. check tty after the lockup.. just keep updating.. try older kernels.. try newer ones. etc
User13: ah okay my friend
User13: thank you
User2: social media-ed the need for testers
User14: User13 good luck
User13: thank you
User13: holstein was running updates/upgrades and a window popped up with a message to restart or ? one of these items xscreensaver or xlockmore, sorry I do not understand
User14: User13 its a commitment. running the pre-release :)
User6: ty pleia2
User18: User13 cursor frozen in the middle of the page? you mean after the desktop has been fully loaded?
User18: User6 maybe it's ibus changing your kb layout
User18: User4 can you link the beta 1 pad please?
User18: or anyone :)
User4: /lastlog beta1
User4: http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Beta1
User6: User18 I'm guessing that it must be :|
User18: User4 thanks
User18: heat level of the xfdesktop crash report goes through the roof :D
User13: yes brainwash frozen in the middle after startup and on the xubuntu blue desktop
User18: User13 did you already report your issue on launchpad?
User20: boy did I just get a big error on Trusty Tahr Alpha 2.  I had a "bad file" error pop up during install, shutting it down.
User4: Travis, have you tried with the beta 1 image?
User6: knome is too quick for elfy
User20: Not yet, but am going to get it righ tnow.
User20: Wow, it's not even up on ubuntu's site.
User20: Alpha 2 is
User6: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds
User20: only when going to this link:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
User4: Travis, it's not officially released, we're just testing the images
User20: ah
User4: if you wish to help, speak to elfy on reporting results
User13: brainwash I tried to but launchpad wouldn't accept my password and when they sent me a code number to put in a new passowrd they still wouldn't let me in to report the bug, so it really never got reported because of those 2 problemsd
User20: User6  I am at the selection screen, where I choose how to install Xubuntu.  I cannot get the "continue" button to light up, even after selecting "erase & reinstall"
User20: User6  I got it working, by going back to a previous screen, then continuing the install.
User20: Elfy:  I am now getting a Errno 5 Input/Output error on 14.04
User20: grrrr
User6: that's not sounding much fun - is this a dvd or usb?
User20: dvd
User6: did you check the download?
User20: Yes
User6: I'd check the dvd from the dvd boot menu - hit any key when it starts up - there's an option to check the dvd there
User6: when you see the human/kbd things at the bottom
User20: Running a checker on the iso again
User6: you checked the dvd already? thought you said you'd checked the download
User20: I am doing it again, just to cover my rear end.
User20: It's a good ISO.
User20: Time to do the on-disk check now.
User20: ok says it found an error in one file.
User6: only time I've got that error in the last 12 months is when I've whipped out the usb before it's ready for me to
User20: It didn't tell me wihc one.
User20: which*  The check went too fast.
User6: well - reburn it
User6: do you not have usb capable h/ware ?
User20: yes
User20: My issue is that I am currently on a Windows machine.
User6: 2 secs
User20: I have been having trouble creating a bootbale usb stick that way.
User6: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/unetbootin-windows-latest.exe
User6: tried unetbootin? never had it fail for me
User20: I did earlier and didn't have success, but will try agian.
User20: again*  dang fingers.
User6: ok - if not then you'll want to reburn it
User20: how much space would I need to make space for preserving files across reboots?
User6: I never do - I only use it to install with - are you wanting to install TO the usb?
User20: no
User20: I follow what you're saying.  If it's to act like a DVD, don't create any space.
User6: aah ok - if you're just using it instead of dvd
User6: yea - that saved me tryping more :)
User21: what do i have to do to replace xscreensaver with light-locker?
User6: purge xscreensaver - light-locker I think is installed - check though
User6: then if you want to try the -settings app the ppa info is in a mail I did to -devel recently
User6: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:light-locker-settings-team/stable
User21: ok, thanks
User21: Is it worth me trying to get the xfdesktop4 fix straight to ubuntu, or do we have time to wait for debian?
User6: I'd talk to knome about that
User6: it does need doing though - ringing bells with jenkins as well
User6: :)
User4: Noskcaj, if it doesn't look realistic that it'll land to ubuntu before b2 via debian, then apply it directly.
User21: ok
User20: User6  so far so good on the install.
User6: User20 excellent - did you get unetbootin to work ok for you?
User20: yes
User6: nice
User20: I am trying out the 64 bit edition.  I have notice a couple of oddities.
User6: you going to report them?
User20: I don't know if it's a true error or my mistake.
User6: there are reports on the tracker - you could look at what's been reported
User20: Doesn't look like it's a OS fault.  Looks like it's mine.
User20: If I let the install sit too long without acting, I've had to go back one screen, then back to the screen I was just on, to continue.
User6: mmm
User6: shouldn't have to do that - it might black screen from the screensaver is all
User20: ok.  I was rather surprised to see the Debian swirl on the desktop.  I am not used to seeing it on a Xubuntu desktop.
User20: off to play with 14.04
User6: mmm
User6: why are people seeing that :|
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