User1: greg-g by is okay, but in free content land we generally prefer by-sa
User1: wikipedia says best practice is to dual license everything as by-sa and gfdl (which is what i do)
User1: greg-g wikipedia would like to move to cc-by-sa tbh.
User1: the prob with the gfdl is "invariant sections" which are non free, curiously the only docs I've ever seen with invariant sections have been from the free software foundation
User1: debian sees that as non free
User1: the prob with wikipedia is that once you decide on a license you are kinda stuck with it
User1: we need the fsf to co-operate as we'd like greater interoperability between the gfdl and cc-by-sa
User1: this is easier said than done
User2: all these acronyms really get me going
User2: please dont stop
User1: greg-g cool!
User1: COOL
User3: hi
User3: what about this bug?
User3: #204757
User3: i have this problem to
User4: bug 204757
User5: Launchpad bug 204757 in exim4 "package update-manager 1:0.87.12 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204757
User6: User3 which problem there seem to be 2 separate bugs in that report, one regarding exim4 and one regarding virtualbox-ose.
 * Hobbsee wonders when the bugsquad will write documentation, or mails to the mailing list, on how they view that MOTU should use launchpad for workflow bugs.
User7: why cannot a MOTU bug just be tagged with a "motu-workflow" tag?
User8: User7 because tags are evil, can't be set when filing a bug on the standard UI, add to the tag cloud, mainly.
User8: and, iirc, aren't shown on the email interface either.
User8: if they are in the bugmail, i don't think they're in the headers, which makes filtering harder.
User7: yep, indeed
User8: if those bugs actually got fixed, then yes, that probably is a decent solution - if the bugsquad could cope with having bugs it was specifically not to touch, which i've already been told demoralises new bugsquadees, because they can't touch everything, and do what they like to it.
User7: User8 do you have an url with an example motu bug?
User8: User7 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/secvpn/+bug/154730
User5: Launchpad bug 154730 in secvpn "Please remove secvpn source and binary from Hardy" [Wishlist,Triaged]
User8: User7 for more, check things with ubuntu-archive or ubuntu-universe-sponsors subscribed.
User6: User8 tags do show up in bug e-mail headers now in the X-Launchpad-Bug-Tags header to be exact
User8: User6 ahh, this must be new.  that's a good start.
User6: yeah, it came out one of the last couple of releases
User9: Can tags be added via the email interface?
User6: User9 it looks like it 'tag foo bar' or 'tag -foo'
User9: Then if it was agreed, it's be trivial to do for syncs since those are mostly done with requestsync, but most other workflow bugs are hand written.
User9: If we all agreed that the priority was for making things easy for new triagers at the expense of making more work for developers, I don't see any problem with a tag approach.
User10: good morning
User11: hi thekorn
User10: bdmurray, can you please renew my ubuntu-bugcontrol membership
User10: hey james_w
User12: Hello, I uploaded a patch to solve a bug on launchpad, what is the next step?
User9: User12 What bug?
User12: ï»¿User9  bug 89936
User5: Launchpad bug 89936 in gmail-notify "Gmail notifier crashes when new e-mail is found and the user are supposed to be alerted about it" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89936
 * ScottK looks
User9: User12 Why do you change meddelande to mail?
User9: It seems that you've undone the translation.
User12: ï»¿User9 hm no..mail is used in Sweden to but it can be used as both plural an singular as opposit to meddelande that has to have meddelanden to be plural
User9: I see.
User9: User12 First, for those of us who don't speak Swedish it'd be good to note in the bug why you changed the string (what you just told me).
User12: ï»¿ User9 ok will do, well the reason I changed the string is not that I think mail is better or something but it works good and does not make the program crash
User9: User12 Second, the next step would be to integrate the patch into a package update and produce a debdiff.  Are you interested in learning how to do that?
User12: ï»¿ User9 indeed, eager to learn :)
User9: User12 Then you should join #ubuntu-motu and ask for help with that there.  That's a more appropriate channel for packaging discussions.
User12: ï»¿User9 thanks
User13: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libgphoto2/+bug/228154 -- Martin wrote he put the fixed version in hardy-proposed, but http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgphoto2/ doesn't have it :/
User5: Launchpad bug 228154 in libgphoto2 "Canon Digital IXUS 30 doesn't show up as PTP" [Medium,In progress]
User14: rio, patience is golden ;)
User14: it was uploaded less than 1h ago, give it time to build and propagate
User13: time's money :P
User14: heh
User15: hmm, does this affect Ubuntu: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html
User11: User15 yes, you can expect more information soon.
User15: okay, thanks
User14: fix was uploadeed already, packages are building
User15: oh, how impressive
User14: the USN should come out during the day
User16: mm
User16: The tool on the Debian link to detect bad keys doesn't work on Hardy
User16: I'm looking at it to see why
User17: When I've gone as far as I can helping a reporter complete a report, what should I do next? I have such a case here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/223191
User5: Launchpad bug 223191 in openssh "Lost keyboard in ssh connection in terminal" [Undecided,New]
User11: User16  "close is not a valid DB_File macro at
User11: /home/pkern/dowkd.pl line 51" ?
User16: User11 that's the problem. Close isn't implemented in DB_File
User11: User16 I just saw that on debian-security@, I haven't tried it myself yet.
User11: presumably someone will post a fix there.
User16: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11851/ - patch for dowkd.pl
User16: ... except it isn't the right patch. Doh!
User16: Hmm. Looks like it'll be equivalent, anyway.
User18: Boo
User14: bee
User18: ;-)
User19: hello
User20: oki, so openssh-server_1%3a4.6p1-5ubuntu0.3_i386.deb seems to be broken, known problem?
User20: emplate #4 in /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/templates has a duplicate field "template" with new value "ssh/vulnerable_host_keys". Probably two templates are not properly separated by a lone newline.
User21: User20 is that gutsy? in which case yes
User20: 7.10
User20: ok.
User20: goodie.
User21: User20 that's being worked
User20: thanks.
User22: Is there a bug # for that issue?
User21: User22 not sure, that has been mentioned several times on #ubuntu-devel but they didn't give bug numbers
User22: User21 Yeah, I looked in that scrollback too
User21: bug #230003
User5: Launchpad bug 230003 in openssh "gutsy: openssh-server won't install or upgrade: debconf error - /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/templates has a duplicate field "template"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230003
User22: User21 great, thanks.
User22: greg-g: On Gutsy?
User21: SwedeMike, User22 they uploaded a gutsy-security fixed version now
User22: User21 darn, I *just* had changed the #Ubuntu topic
User20: User21 yeah, installed it, seems fine.
User20: let's see if my laptop works well as well
User20: seems to work fine as well
User23: hello
User24: hello
User23: :)
User25: /nick thekorn
User25: urgh
User6: heh
User23: I have since the dist-upgrade to hardy, very slow performance in the gnome apps' file open/save dialog, and the alt-f2 Run dialog
User23: they take more than a few seconds after they display, to become usable, which wasn't the case before
User23: I want to report a bug, but don't know exactly what to file it under... :)
User19: Were all the SSH keys in launchpad removed from the profiles?
User26: User19 no
User22: As I understand it, not all ssh keys are comprimised
User26: User22 that didn't stop the alioth guys rm'ing them from existence :)
User27: User22 I wonder how big amount is
User10: oh dear, this explains why bzr push/pull does not work for me
User19: your key is vulnerable too!
User27: dsa bug... how could this happen
User22: Hrm.. I guess LP did delete my key.
User28: User22 your ssh-key? see the openssl USN
User22: User28 I did, but ssh-vulnkey didnt tell me I was comprimised, and those should have been the same keys.  Oh well.
User29: or the openssh USN :-)
User30: ssh-vulnkey and -a told me no command found
User28: User30 openssh-client from -security already installed?
User31: hi, i wanna know if someone experienced a bug like mine : when pluging an ethernet wire , nothing appears in dmesg (no eth link up 100Mbps full-duplex message) and can do nothing with network interface.
User31: i posted this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/230099
User5: Launchpad bug 230099 in ubuntu "nForce nvidia network driver can't link up when plugin wire" [Undecided,New]
User32: User31 gnome/kde?
User31: gnome
User31: but even if i try in a term i got nothing
User32: User31 go to system -> adminstration -> network ... and set your devices to "roaming mode"
User31: with ifconfig, dhclient etc ...
User32: User31 do you use network-manager?
User32: if so, go the "roaming mode" path
User32: at best try that first
User31: yes it is in roaming mode
User31: i tried roaming mode, dhcp mode, static ip mode
User31: but it does not detect when i plug a wire anyway
User31: even if my network configuration is wrong (which is not i did nothing special), it should print something in dmesg when i plug a wire
User31: i tested the same on my laptop under hardy too and it works well
User6: User31 Have you tried checking it with ethtool?
User31: no :o
User32: User31 what are you running? gutsy?
User31: asac < everything is explained in the bug i posted
User31: i am using hardy
User31: it works on feisty, gutsy and windows XP
User31: bddebian < don't know how to use it to check :o
User31: bdmurray * sorry
User6: User31 'sudo ethtool eth0'
User31: bdmurray do i have to plug the wire to check this ?
User6: It will show whether or not a link is detected
User6: The results of the wire connected and not connected would be interesting
User31: ok i'm gonna test this with and without a wire and post it to launchpad
User6: great thanks!
User31: i'm testing( so i'm gonna disconnect :p)
User31: i'll be back right after the test :)
User31: see you soon
User32: User31 1st you need to know if you are running network-manager
User32: :(
User32: well ... do what bdmurray says ;)
User31: asac < how to know that ?
User6: User32 Will n-m interfere with ethtool?
User31: i'm running gnome with nb-applet
User31: nm-applet*
User32: User31 yeah. then you definitly need to configure your interfaces as "roaming" ... otherwise nm will not manage your devices at all
User32: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to be sure after that
User32: then run sudo /etc/dbus-1/events.d/25NetworkManager restart
User31: i do all this before testing ethtool ? or after ?
User32: wait a while, plug-in your network device ... wait ... plug out
User32: then post your /var/log/syslog to the bug too
User32: User31 is independent from ethtool i would say
User31: ok
User31: i'm gonna do what you say, so
User32: ethtool just dumps your interface settings
User31: see you in 5 min :p
User31: i'm back
User31: nothing changes in ethtool when i plug a wire
User31: samething in /var/log/syslog
User31: i'm gonna paste everything anyway ...
User32: User31 the idea was to restart network manager ;)
User32: if you did that please attach syslog to bug
User31: yes i restarted the network manager
User32: User31 stupid question ... if you right click on the nm-applet ... is networking enabled ?
User31: yes it is
User32: ok
User32: syslog is the way to go then
User31: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14504557/syslog-while-pluging-in
User32: well .. thats not the complete syslog
User31: no you want all of it ?
User32: yes
User32: often this is enough, but sometimes there are gems elsewhere ;)
User32: especially i want the full restart cycle ;)
User31: ok i upload the entire file
User31: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14504616/syslog
User31: you have some logs about me pluggin in my USB key to get the content of the log uploaded on the web ^^
User32: User31 right on top network manager successfully connects
User32: hmm well it tries to
User31: all before May 14 23:30:55 fixe avahi-daemon[5378]: Registering HINFO record with values 'I686'/'LINUX'. ?
User31: yea i see it in the log .... i 'm missing something ...
User32: User31 i suspect that your dhcp server is not running
User31: hum don't you think it would be a good idea to reboot with the wire plugged and to paste sur syslog without any command ?
User32: User31 does it work if you boot with wire plugged`?
User31: no it didn't :o
User32: anyway ... you don't get an ip
User31: i can try again but i never managed to make it work
User32: the interface is up properly
User31: where do you see that i don't get an ip ?
User32: where are you connected to? eth0 or eth1?
User31: (it is correct but i don't find it in the log)
User31: asac < well i don't really know :p since my system can't tell me where a wire is connected
User31: i plug randomly the ethernet cable
User32: yeah thats what you see in log
User32: search for "now has a link" term
User32: thats when NM detects that your port has a wire plugged in
User31: May 14 23:30:55 fixe avahi-daemon[5378]: Registering new address record for 91.69.162.6 on eth0.IPv4.
User31: it is my good ip
User32: thats a fallback ip
User31: it worked no ?
User32: no
User31: no that's my ip actually
User32: avahi is something else
User31: the ip the dhcp is to give me
User31: with this mac adress
User32: that calls for trouble
User32: i mean thats a zero conf ip ... a dhcp server shouldn't hand that out
User31: 157.159.*.* is my university network
User31: 43 is my VLAN
User31: and 64 my number on the local network
User32: hmm
User31: i'm sure it's my ip
User31: 100%
User31: * [Fallenou] (christopher06@example.com): void brain(void) { }
User31: look at where i'm speaking you from :p
User31: since i'm on my laptop it's a different ip but nearly the same
User31: fallen@laptop:~$ host sionneau-lap.maisel.int-evry.fr
User31: sionneau-lap.maisel.int-evry.fr has address 91.69.162.6
User31: asac < any idea ? :x
User32: no ... i guess you have no dhcp setup ;)
User32: and this avahi thing is broken
User32: does network manager believe you are connected when that avahi-daemon gets your IP ?
User31: i think no but i'm not sure :o
User31: i'm gonna try rebooting with wire plugged ....
User31: and copy the syslog and everything :p
User31: see you in 5 min
User31: i got something interesting ...
User31: a normal boot with wired plugged before switching on the computer : http://pastebin.com/m35c57248
User31: this time ethtool says is HAS a wire :)
User31: but the ip adress is ... wrong o_o
User31: asac understand something ? :p me i don't :(
 * asac looking
User32: User31 your problem really is dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
User32: and then avahi kicks in
User31: yes
User32: 00:32:27 fixe avahi-autoipd(eth1)[6151]: Found user 'avahi-autoipd'
User31: but dhcp should give me an ip ... :(
User32: most likely you don't have a dhcp driven network then
User31: sure i have
User32: but something avahi driven ;)
User31: it works with dhcp on my laptop
User31: it works with dhcp with windows XP
User32: could you get a log from there?
User31: it worked with dhcp on gutsy and feisty
User31: what ?
User32: from a working gutsy setup for instance
User32: to compare
User32: maybe avahi just works there ;)
User31: i don't have any gutsy setup
User31: but i can give you a log from my laptop :)
User31: which use the same wire cable (plugged in the same wall socket)
User31: the only difference is the mac adress :p
User32: User31 and that is what?
User32: hardy 2?
User31: yes hardy :)
User31: May 14 00:36:51 laptop dhclient: bound to 91.69.162.6 -- renewal in 39941 seconds.
User31: May 14 00:36:51 laptop dhclient: DHCPOFFER of 91.69.162.6 from 91.69.162.6
User31: got somethings like that
User31: i am pasting the entire syslog, but it's complex since i oftent disconnect reconnect the wire to test on the other computer =)
User31: anyway here it is : http://pastebin.com/mb8eb0c2
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