User1: interesting - tesco/talktalk's blinkbox does ultraviolet now
User1: might be worth switching my purchasing habbit to them rather than googleplaydoh
User1: specifically because it will mean I have the same library for titles I may get physically as gifts e.g.
User2: I have no idea what that means
User3: same
User1: blinkbox, ultraviolet or googleplaydoh?
User3: ;]
User2: yes
User4: when you buy a film on BD/DVD ultraviolet is the streaming service attached
User4: so you get both one or two physical copies plus x number of streams
User1: blinkbox: blinkbox.com; ultraviolet: uvvu.com; googleplaydoh: play.google.com
User3: hmm
User3: stupid thunderbird
User3: maybe i should giveup with using an email app
User4: heh
User4: that is a bit 90s
User4: :>
User2: aye.  away to mutt with ya
User3: yea
User3: i just like it
User3: but every time it decides to download ALL emails no matter what i do
User3: like emails from years back:D
User1: mapps, I hear that. with an 8GB email archive it takes a while for thunderbird to sync when I set it up anew
User4: i upgraded office version on the boss' old laptop before i left, yesterday
User4: it's gonna pull down his 19GB worth of email :P
User4: and that's only the stuff we leave on the hosted setup.
User1: ooooooooooooohhhhh: simon "scotty" pegg is going to co-write the next startrek!
User4: he keeps showing up in films that don't seem like they should be comedies, giving them a comedic vibe
User1: I love his scotty
User4: not seen either of those new films
User1: I loved "paul" too
User1: paul is an awesome movie
User2: User1
User2: how to remove wp plugin without removing its data?
User1: shauno, just delete it
User1: shauno, don't deactivate it first
User2: I think I just broke someone else's site :)
User1: \o/
User4: \o/
User2: I have no idea what that was, I think I'm just going to leave it alone and see if anyone notices
User4: sounds like a fine approach to me
User2: well, I tend to update all her stuff whenever I'm in the area, because she avoids any button she doesn't understand
User2: so I updated jetpack, and it disappeared.  so I tried to reinstall it, but it said it was already installed.  and then it was installed but wouldn't activate
User2: I'm not entirely sure what happened next, but it appears to be back now?
User4: XD
User4: this firewall on my bigv.io still blocks wordpress cals
User4: *calls
User2: then go to bed?
User4: lol
User2: ...
User2: well, personally, tennis doesn't rank highly on the list of reasons I'm not in bed, that's all
User4: +1
User2: (it's right up there with cricket & golf on my list of "things I can't imagine people watching unless they're high")
User2: it does seem like something a dog would happily watch, but a cat would squint at you and wonder what the punchline was
User1: hmm, I've only got 560GB of download in my sabnzb queue :-p
User1: I don't do illegal, obviously
User1: it's incrementing as we speak, because I went through my sickbeard listings and told it to research everything it had previously decided wasn't available
User1: up to 600GB
User1: luckily I still have 2.6 thousand spaces left
User1: "2685.90 GB Free Space"
User1: see, 2.6k-spaces
User5: mornin peeps
User1: morning knightwise
User6: yo
 * diddledan awaits the jamestait "what day is today?"
User1: corrolary - where is he?!
User1: tabcomplete can't find him so I'm assuming he d/c'd
User7: he always does
User8: happy friday :)
User1: I don't think disconnection should be allowed
User9: Morning all
User1: I wonder when MS will unleash the next build of windows10 (they said within the next week on wednesday)
User1: I'm getting antsy
User1: I want it NOW
User10: meh
User1: I'm an instant gratification nut
User1: as soon as it's announced I want it
User6: also "meh"
User6: my GameOS machine runs Windows 7.
User6: I'd be tempted to upgrade to Windows 10 if it didn't break everything on the machine, just for the free upgrade
User1: from what I can tell windows 10 will get delivered as a windows-update patch
User1: i.e. everyone who has windows update turned on will receive it
User6: i doubt that
User11: maybe for people who have windows 8
User6: I suspect you'll have to buy it at zero cost
User1: anyone who has 7sp1, 8 or 8.1
 * bashrc refuses to support windows anymore
User6: quite the delta from 7 to 10
User11: if they upgrade 7, a very large number of companies will go absolutely ape shit
User11: we are talking "switch to ubuntu" levels of rage
User10: bonus
User1: the windows site says: "We will offer a free upgrade to Windows 10 for qualified new or existing Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 devices that upgrade in the first year!*" with the smallprint stating: "*It is our intent that most of these devices will qualify, but some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. ISP
User1: fees may apply. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required."
User6: that doesnt mean they get it automagically
User6: it'll be optional
User11: right, it will just be a popup box that says "click here to download windows 10"
User1: fair enough - I probably just read too much into the requirement for windows update to be enabled
User11: the key word here is "offer"
User1: maybe they'll put it in the optional section which requires manual ticking of boxes
User11: i doubt windows is even capable of in-place upgrades like that
User11: you need install media
User1: windows 8 upgrades to 8.1 without a dvd
User1: and windows 7 upgrades to 8 with just a small application download which then does the rest
User1: i.e. no dvd again
User11: er, no it doesn't
User1: yes it does. I've done it
User11: that small application downloads the windows 8 ISO and then burns it to a disc
User1: nope
User11: then you install it like any other version of windows
User11: i've got a burned windows 8 disc here that i made using that procedure
User1: afair it was an in situ update without a dvd required
User1: you _can_ make a dvd, but it's not needed if you're doing a like-for-like upgrade
User1: i.e. updating 32bit 7 to 64bit 8 will require the dvd
User1: but 32 to 32 can be done within the booted os
User12: morning all
User6: microdrives!
User6: i installed MSDOS 6.22 on a "modern" laptop the other day
User6: that was fun :)
User6: and fast!
User1: popey, I bet you didn't need any drivers, either
User5: morning peeps
User1: knightwise, you said that already
User6: well, no, but things dont work
User6: like sound
User1: popey, who needs audio?!
User11: this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhPA_TpkzkA
User5: User1 you werent awake the first time
User6: to play games
User6: wanted to play some dos games
User1: dosbox ftw
 * knightwise is still trying to get his retropi install working
User1: blindfold speedrun?!
User6: nah, i want to run on real hardware, not emulated
User6: that was all default right for me
User6: i used the DOS setup.exe
User11: wait, dos has a setup.exe?
User6: yes
User11: i never knew that
User6: heh, DOS 4 was the Windows Me.
User11: DOS 4? I only has 6.22
User6: yeah, I started with 3.3
User6: or maybe 3.1
User11: sys c:\ and then copy config.sys and autoexec.bat
User6: http://i.imgur.com/z5jwkis.jpg
User6: fun
User6: thats on a 32GB USB stick so I can use it on anyones PC :)
User6: well it is now, yeah
User6: that was my default install
User6: i liked the fact that its full screen, and not some odd window
User6: so things it can't do.. sound, network...
User11: refering the text mode VGA as "fullscreen"
User6: hehe :)
User11: you sound like some hotshot 20 yr old node developer
User6: ahh, my three headed laplink cable
User6: that was closely guarded
User11: laplink was... bad
User6: actually i wonder if the sound card in the thinkpad might just work
User11: luckily i was using an amiga at the time when it was popular
User6: need to find some dos game with audio
User6: User13 slacker
User10: I think it was just a null modem cable
User11: ethernet was common by the time i was forced to switch to PC
User13: Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Handwriting Day! :-D
User6: \o/
User6: \o/ just found some old CDs I burned from 1998 with games on
User10: gosh
User6: haha, has loads of dos utilities
User6: like arj, rar200, pkarc
User6: i put the cd in my windows pc, microsoft security essentials found a virus on it :)
User6: Joe:Win16/Stupid
User6: *Joke
User10: don't copy that floppy
User6: haha, there's a linux install guide from 1997 on it
User14: Ooh, null modem cables
User14: Used to string our Amigas together with those and play Populous 2
User1: I went to college with a guy who had coax lan - I think it was ethernet, but it mighta been token I guess
User15: morning boys and girls.
User1: allo
User10: I had a coax lan. coax was unreliable
User1: I remember asking the college it guys about their server because it was showing a non-graphical terminal - I said something like "is that linux?" and they replied "no, it's a real netware server"
User13: zmoylan-pi++
User1: because netware > linux, right?
User11: coax was bad but it was still miles better than laplink
User6: at the time netware was better
User11: and netware 4 was much better than linux was at the time yes
User1: this was circa 99/00
User6: oh i got out of netware in ~1996
User10: humidity could cause strange behavior of the coax networks
User1: so linux was about 6 years old. a regular bubby
User11: netware was probably still better than linux in 1999 but it was crippled due to using IPX not TCP/IP
User6: i think there are still fat ethernet cables laid at my local college that I put in 20 years ago.
User13: GTA over IPX over coax made up far too much of my final kimberlyosborne@example.com.
User10: a company I was at used netware until about 2003
User6: IPXSPX
User6: NETX
User6: IPODI!
User6: memories...
User1: netbeui?
User1: is that spelt right?
User10: something like that
User14: Ugh, had blocked all that horrible networking stuff from my mind
User1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBIOS
User14: Hooray for TCP/IP
User12: one of my first certification was for Novell Netware....
User12: blast from the past
User1: crazy that MS still clings to netbios names
User12: bit of a T**t then
User1: zmoylan-pi, well you would, wouldn't you!
User12: what a kn*b
User13: My first job out of uni involved preparing for Y2K by migrating our Novell Netware 4 network to a Windows NT domain (to also integrate our small office network with the group network over ISDN).
User1: o_O the gadget show website is reporting that the iwatch will have a battery life of 2.5hours
User14: Is that in Dick Tracy videophone mode?
User13: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
User5: so much for 'worlds most innovative company'
User16: They seem to do that a fair bit in the states i think zmoylan-pi , there is a TV series about it
User16: :)
User16: But this is 'Merica!
User16: :)
User14: You could even knock down the old house and call it a "teleport"
User14: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/01/22/2233248/researchers-moot-teleportation-via-destructive-3d-printing
User14: Anyone see that article about the Chinese buildings made with a ginormous 3D printer?
User14: They're kinda weird inside, look like the excretions of some giant termits
User14: Moulds not the same
User14: http://rt.com/news/224423-china-3d-printer-house/
User14: Those blocks look quite light
User1: why do reporters insist on calling the material that 3d printers extrude "ink"?!
User14: Also quite like the houses made of expanded polystyrene bricks like LEGO that you then fill with concrete
User1: the other thing that annoys me about news reports is that the reporter usually insists on putting a pun or many into it
User5: wasnt that a heineken one
User5: I'm thinking of styrofoam bricks and wood when we do our home reno
User5: we have been thinking about putting in an addition
User5: extention i mean
User1: https://github.com/alex/what-happens-when
User14: That Heineken story makes my browser choke
User14: Ugh, whatever it is on that page totally locks up Firefox
User14: This seems to be a trend I've noticed recently
User14: Newspaper websites do it too
User14: Closed all my Firefox windows. Process is still caning a CPI
User14: CPU
 * awilkins kill -9s it
User1: awilkins, it might be a rogue flash ad
User14: Not the plugin hosting process (has a separate process name, no?)
User1: it might do
User14: The website of The Independent does something similar
User14: Page scrolls really slowly, eats CPU
User14: Or possibly to mine BitCoin for Rupert Murdoch
User14: Of course there is : http://www.bitcoinplus.com/miner/embeddable
User14: Bitcoin mining plugin for WordPress
User14: The dude only wants a 19%  cut!
User12: i'll install it to my WP sites, would me I get 0.000000000000001 of a BC in about 20 years
User14: There's a WP site at my old work that has about 100 plugins in it
User14: Don't think they'd notice another one...
User17: I'm wondering, since the announcement of LXD I've not really seen much documentation and/or tutorials on it. Does anyone know where I can find docs on using it?
User5: p0p0k@t3ptl
User5: That is the name of a mountain in africa
User14: Nice coverup
User14: All we saw was
User14: ***********
User5: LOL
User5: nice one awilkins
User14: That bitcoin miner plugin thing seems to be a Java applet
User14: +1 for speed -1 for getting people to run it
User6: hmm
User14: One that's pure js and has WebGL support : https://github.com/derjanb/hamiyoca
User6: seems my thinkpad doesn't want to be a soundblaster 16 or awe32
User14: AWE32 was a great card
User12: dma=1 irq=5 iirc :D
User6: yeah, says it cant find the card
User6: unsurprisingly
User9: User6 is this for dosbox by anychance?
User6: User9 no, real hardware
User9: User6 ah :)  try soundblaster pro
User6: not an option
User5: mpsyt :)
User9: User6 pc speaker
User5: Better then Spotify
User6: gravis, sb, sound man 16, pro audio spectrum, awe 32, soundscape, disney sound source, tandy sound source
User6: (duke 3d)
User18: Good morning peeps :)
User1: not for much longer
User9: User18 hello
User18: o/
User1: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30948123
User12: google also released 3 zero days for apple osx too
User5: quick question
User5: suppose I ssh into a machine from the command line and would like to launch an app
User5: how do i put that in one command line command
User5: ssh me@server:command or ssh me@server / command ?
User19: laney@iota:~$ ssh vivid.local echo hello knightwise from \$\(hostname\)
User19: hello knightwise from vivid
User14: knightwise, GUI app?
User14: ssh -X user@server 'command line'
User5: commmand line app
User5: the error i'm getting wehn i do it your way is : "the term environment variable is unset"
User3: back y'all
User3: back in the sun
User3: :D
User14: knightwise, That sounds like an app-specific error
User5: mc ? doesnt strike me as an exotic app
User3: ;]
User14: try  ssh user@server 'TERM=xterm mc'
User14: mc is ncurses
User14: since you're shelling straight in and just running it you're not starting a terminal on the server
User14: hence no TERM env var
User14: Since it can't predict terminal behaviour it's throwing a spaz
User14: set it to whatever your local term env says (gnome-terminal says xterm for me here)
User5: ha
User5: i"ll try
User5: IT WORKS :)
User6: ChunkzZ: has your internet connection improved since moving wifi channel?
User20: muhahah, victory is mine, finally bypassed threes new tethering detection.
User20: set up a SSH Server on the phone to socks proxy and am using tsocks for applications that don't support socks.
User7: oh, they've got a tethering detection? bother.
User20: Myrtti, yea, they always have, but up until the past couple months it had just been layer 7
User20: Myrtti, now they are doing something new, I dunno what it is, at first I thought it was TTL but ping -t 65 doesn't get through.
User20: whatever it is, it's clever I'll give themt hat
User20: SO MANY FUCKING TUNNELS >.>
User7: tsk.
User20: just realised I typed ^ in ubuntu-uk and not my channel, sorry >.>
User20: not the place for that.
User20: on a train, tunnels keep disconnecting my internet, first world problems :(
User2: bridges :)
User21: but surley - trains should be using clouds - everybody using clouds - why not trains? Let's see how clever you are nowcloud users! [hurumph]
 * zmoylan-pi doesn't want to see a load bearing cloud as the weather might be nasty
User21: lol
User21: ...& as to the phrase " proper trains have tunnels".. anybody told Euro Tunnel that?  they seem to prefer the M20
User2: gotta admit, not so impressed with the trains in Ireland
User2: I mean - they all go to dublin?  Who in their right mind ..
User21: glug glug... "the expected arrival for dublin will be a bit late. We apologise for the delay"
User21: I bog therefore I'm late
User1: shauno, to be fair pretty much every train in england ends up at "bristol temple-meads"
User2: I'd quite like a line that heads south, so I can get to shannon instead of relying on dublin airport :/
User1: zmoylan-pi, it's a long way to tipperary
User21: ooooooooohh no!
User1: yeah, that's every commuter's nightmare phrase: rail replacement service
User21: Got stuck there once.. was using ticket from manager who got ill...
User21: ...plane went
User21: 2tech
User21: 2.
User21: i went to #business lounge ;)
User21: ...free food... oh, & free booze
User21: me likey Dublin airport :D
User21: I wondered that at the time!
User21: ..but then had another freebie & forgot about it!  ;D
User21: My main gripe with Dublin airport... they fixed the darned plane - no fair!
User21: no free booze or food on plane
User21: [except a muffin - no comment]
User2: I've spent so much time on ryanair, I was quite confused when Austrian fed us
User21: definite lol
User21: zmoylan-pi, ^
User21: Here's a good one; man from BT apparently arrived this morning, declared telegraph pole unsafe & cut all lines without warning anybody so he could remove the pole!
 * SuperEngineer is back to using 3g dongle atm
User21: yup
User1: SuperEngineer, I believe if it's off for more than 4 hours you're allowed to claim compensation
User21: correct
User21: already underway
User1: well done :-)
User11: i just found the stupidest bug ever
User21: [though not sure re 4 hourd bit - but no hope till Monday is out of any time limit!]
User11: how do i report bugs against the upgrade tool?
User21: a stupid bug, that's a bit technocratist!
User11: it's really stupid though
User11: 1. install 13.10
User11: 2. upgrade to 14.04
User11: 3. enable partner repo
User11: 4. install skype
User21: surely you mean a bug of impaired mentality :D
User11: it doesn't work, because you get the version for 13.10
User11: developer of impaired mentality perhaps, but the bug is just plain stupid
User21: ok - agreed
User21: why not just install 14.04 first?
User11: yes, let me just get in my time machine and do that
User21: still waiting for those lotto numbers... that time machine must have a faulty starter motor
User11: it's funny how whenever i have to do anything computer related for anyone else i always hit a bug
User11: but i hardly ever do
User11: bug 1414150
User22: bug 1414150 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "release upgrader doesn't update partner repo URL if it isn't enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1414150
User3: taken  eh
User3: a 3rd one now..prob same as 1/2 no doubt
User11: what's a good OS image for raspberry pi that will work with 4GB card and allow me to test the audio and camera module?
User11: oh and wifi
User15: raspbian
User15: yes, my both, runs on 16gb sd cards, and they got filled very quickly.
User15: yep, :)
User11: well...
User3: my pesky vpn isnt working grr
User3: can connect but not access net..grmpf ive set ipforwarding on and the iptables rules
User4: diagnose it
User4: ping by IP, check routes...
User4: all the usual
User3: yea going to
User3: just a pain
User3: especially because i forgot my charger for my big laptop LOL..double checked my bags before i left and somehow didnt consider charger
User3: unpacked realised i dont have it so have to use my netbook for everything
User4: a fate worse than death
User4: User3 hey the windows 10 image got updated - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=522102
User3: wonder how diff it is
User3: lets see
User4: well it's definitely different to the first image they put out :>
User3: apparently ws like -7  in heathrow last night
User3: did feel cold when i got there heh
User4: wowzer
User3: mustve been -2 or so at 6am
User3: tethered my phone to laptop and watched old GOAT
User3: BUT he lost
User3: :((
User4: no idea what that is
User3: ROGER THE FEDERER
User3: fed express
User3: :D
User3: old greatest of all time
User3: he
User4: aah
User4: we have a mate that looks exactly like him
User4: when we see him, we ask how the ol' tennis is going
User1: does anyone in the uk here have win10 installed?
User1: seems cortana doesn't like me :-(
User3: daftykins,  does i thought
User4: User1 i'll have it up in a VM shortly
User4: downloading right now
 * daftykins goes back to making a sandwich
User1: daftykins, I'm getting cortana say that she's "unavailable to help in your location"
User3: thought you already did
User3: you deld old win10
User4: User1 did you download the UK ISO?
User4: User3 yeah the old build doesn't update to the new
User1: daftykins, I upgraded in-place from an already installed 10
User4: meh i only have a VM with nothing on it, i'll just nuke it
User4: got on on my laptop here under vbox and one on the desktop with vmware ws
User3: i almost lost Â£2500 on fed..my 3g saved me
User3: lol
User3: if i hadnt have been able to put the match on wouldnt have been able to switch:)
User4: or you could just not gamble :>
User3: i was trading like a pro on betfair i prefer to say
User3: :d
User3: ;D
User3: layed United at 1/5 for Â£1000 (200 quid risk) lay the short odds back the big odds1
User3: fiinished 0-0..meanwhile my mug friend lost like 400 on it ..tsk
User4: o0
User3: crazy how much yen is bet on stuff..5.8 million on the federer match 4.5 on united
User3: imagine all that moey in 20 pound notes
User3: :D
User4: haha
User4: my mate was working nuclear research in Tokyo, getting paid all in yen in cash. foreigners can't hold accounts or something he said, so he brings it all back to England
User4: next thing, the Japanese PM is doing some thing which drops the value so it's all worth way less, doh!
User4: ah i cannot cut this cathedral city cheddar for sandwiches without wanting a piece
User3: lol
User3: really
User3: like suitcases full of cash
User3: cant he get paid into a uk bank
User1: daftykins, cathedral city is nummy
User11: so anyway as i was saying
User11: i just want to test the hardware and i only hav a 4GB card
User4: User3 i think the language barrier might've had something to do with his reluctance
User3: heh
User4: gogo virtualbox, give me something other than a blank screen for win10 :P
User11: bringing a suitcase full of cash through customs tho...
User11: i can't imagine that being easy
User4: =]
User3: 07827 668566wow
User3: oops
User3: wow android is diff to ios
User3: i cant even figure out how to edit a contact
User3: LOL
User3: what?!
User3: you cant do it on the phone?!
User3: yea
User3: also its a PITA
User3: if i ring a UK number it says call ended
User3: have to add +44 to every contact
User3: on my iphone if i call 079 xxx abroad it still works
User4: pfft it's easy
User3: what about the second issue>
User3: hmm
User3: honestly 01483 47xxx call ended
User4: now that you travel a lot you should enter all numbers longhand
User3: type +44 483 and it works
User4: that's quite funny, 01481 is the Guernsey area code
User4: :>
User3: :D
User4: i only needed to remember 5 digits to call home when i was a kid over at friends ;_;
User3: id rather force it to just work and call uk numbers like normal
User4: zmoylan-pi: negating the wonderful backup that is cloud data? tsk tsk
User4: i love not having to deal with that SIM junk anymore
User1: I love cloud sync
User1: I'd be lost without it
User1: it just annoys me that each company needs their own silo
User4: i had a series 3c with PsiWin :>
User4: User1 ugh what have they done to WIndows Update =|
User1: daftykins, ?
User4: in win10
User1: I can't say I've noticed any diff?
User4: it ran a metro'y app which brought up a huge settings cog to be the windows update app now
User4: seems to be joined with backup and restore
User4: *recovery
User1: it's part of the new control panel
User1: the settings app and control panel are almost the same thing (supposedly) now
User1: or rather more is done via the settings app than the evilness that is the win32 control panel
User4: ;]
User4: hmm WU is gone from the Control Panel, that's all i spy
User3: vb
User3: urgh
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