User1: hi all
User1: can someone mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/gedit/+bug/615506 as triaged please?
User2: Ubuntu bug 615506 in gedit (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Underscore must be a part of the word (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
User3: User1 which importance?
User1: wishlist or low
User3: well, decide and give me a reason
User4: wishlist
User4: it is marked as an enhancement in gnome
User4: and it is not part of the product design
User4: i was able to use find with underscores
User3: ok, agreed
User4: man
User4: the gnome bug hasnt been touched before
User4: and it was logged in 2007
User5: User4 enhancements in most open source projects are at the mercy of the developers fancy
User4: yes
User4: i understand
User4: even in private industry
User4: depending on management and developer clout
User3: User4 done
User4: th
User4: x
User6: if I hit the volumn keys on my keyboard => it works
User6: if I left click the volume indicator, then hit the volumn keys on my keyboard => does not work
User6: it is expected?
User6: (maverick)
User3: btw, for those that followed the Debian BTS session in -classroom a while ago and aren't in #debian-ubuntu - a small follow up from Rhonda http://rhonda.deb.at/blog/debian/on-BTS-usage.html
User6: An easy one to confirm if someone has volume keys on the keyboard: bug 615622
User2: Launchpad bug 615622 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Cannot change sound volume with keyboard while sound indicator is open (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615622
User7: hi friends
User7: ?
User7: test
User7: grr
User8: hi, you're here
User7: oh hello.
User7: were you expecting me
User8: what were you expecting exactly?  :p
User5: !test
User2: hrm?
User7: yes
User5: !test | Cakester
User2: User7 please see above
User7: !test
User2: hrm?
 * micahg stops abusing the bot now
User7: ok it works
User7: so um
User7: I wrote a tutorial on getting NASM to compile within Cobd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5fBlocks.
User8: orly
User7: yes
User8: would you be TimothyTimbers?
User7: yeah why
User7: ?
User8: just curious, found your tutorial
User7: not bad
User7: you are good at the google
User8: it's because i'm a h4x0r
User7: my user title says that too
User7: although more l33t
User8: i actually read it straight from your interwebs
User8: i popped the firewall and dropped in a logic bomb
User7: i can use push and pop
User8: whoa
User8: that's crazy talk
User7: it amazed me that this is legal mov [eax], ebx
User8: why?
User7: because i thought the [   ] could only be on the right
User7: for like the past years
User8: nope
User7: so sad
User8: that would be rather limiting, don't you think?
User7: yeah. was pain in the ass
User8: for example, it might be convenient to:
User8: mov [Cakester], eBEERx
User8: haha, the beer register
User8: moving it to Cakestar's address
User8: *Cakester
User7: these ads on facebook say these girls want a boyfriend
User8: i wonder if people know that i'm just goofing off or if they think i'm always this weird
User9: that has nothing to do with debugging
User8: beer?  for some people, beer has everything to do with debugging
User7: maco, i need to debug my web browser, or these ads will just keep mysteriously showing up
User9: User8 no, Cakester's thing aobut girls has nothing to do with fixing bugs
User8: ah
User8: stricty on topic, i see
User7: maco, i need to debug my web browser, or these ads will just keep mysteriously showing up'
User9: adblock plus?
User7: does that play well with NS?
User8: sure
User7: drosenbe, i think i have seen maco before. not in the bug channel
User8: ok...
User8: and?
User7: maco, do you need help with a bug?
User9: no
User9: ive been in this channel 24/7 for about a year
User9: im not triaging right now though
User7: maco, that is ageist. sorry
User7: what is triaging
User10: User7 Please stop harassing maco in every channel you find her in.
User8: oh lord
User7: Are we here to take care of bugs or what?
User7: here let me take the initiative
User10: User7 this behavior is not going to help you get unbanned in those channels you have been banned in.
User9: User7 if you dont know what bug triaging is, why are you here?
User7: I never said that me being banned was a bug
User7: User9 to learn.
User8: hey, that's actually a pretty good reason
User8: i'm surprised
User9: User7 http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
User7: i have a bug to report now :(
User10: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
User7: gpg --fingerprint did not give me a code
User8: you should probably file it in launchpad
User7: is this ping the code?
User8: that's not a sentence.
User11: no. This was me
User6: mov bed, [jfi_] // bye
User7: hold plz
User7: does it normally take over 5 minutes to generate a OpenPNP key
User7: PGP
User7: sorry
User9: do stuff on your box
User9: it needs activity to get enough entropy to generate a key
User7: lol
User7: oh hey!
User7: i think it went through
 * hggdh is still unsure what this has to do with triaging
User7: this won't steal my social security number will it
User7: ok sweet
User7: did it say i need to wait 10 minutes
User7: does it hurt to try earlier?
User7: doh yes
User7: wth
User7: i can't decrypt that
User7: i can barely code an obfuscater
User7: gosh darn yahoo can't do it for me
User11: User7 please stay on topic
User7: pop password?
User7: i need to pay to have pop too work
User7: why do none the mail clients i need to get the PGP to be read work
User7: wth
User5: User7 you try thunderbird?
User7: i tried evolution and thunderbird. it looks like because i am using a yahoo email, i need to buy the yahoo mail plus
User7: to use the pop
User7: so i can use the pgp decryptor on a message
User5: User7 yes, or switch to another provider :)
User5: aol, gmail
User7: oh
User7: is it worth buying the pop
User7: my yahoo email is tied to most my ubuntu accounts
User7: like the shop
User5: that's your call, I use aol, gmail, and my own domain for stuff, mostly my own domain
User7: well i want to be well known by one email name
User7: so aol lets me use it for free?
User5: yes
User7: super cool!
User7: now i just need it to send the pgp thing to my aol now :(
User5: User7 huh?
User5: you set up GPG locally and use IMAP
User7: oo i know i cna forward it from my yahoo
User7: woo hoo
User7: ok
User7: i signed the code of conduct
User7: do i get a hip hip hooray?
User10: Can someone tell me what package provides the fdisk command? man fdisk says util-linux-ng but apt-cache policy util-linux-ng returns unable to locate package
User7: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/37322-fdisk-not-worked.html
User7: ?
User12: Cakester, was there a question related to that? please see the topic as support is in #ubuntu not here
User10: User12 Cakester was responding to a question I posed just before you entered
User12: IdleOne, I see, thanks
User10: I don't see how a fedora link is relevant to my question though
User7: so
User7: did you try the root?
User10: thr root?
User10: the*
User7: anomie, says run fdisk as root
User7: he is a linux guru it says
User10: I know how to run it, I am looking for the package that provides it
User10: Reason I am asking is because if you run: fdisk -l  it simply returns to a prompt. It should respond with "Permission denied, run as root" or something to that effect.
User10: I wanted to report a bug but without knowing what package....
User5: User10 util-linux
User10: User5 thank you. I didn't think of narrowing my search
User5: User10 try apt-file next time
User5: User10 or dpkg -S
User10: well look at that
User10: :)
User10: thanks
User7: hi
User7: welcome to ubuntu-bugs
User7: how may i help you
User12: Cakester, no need for that
User7: ok
User7: Is it a bug if I can edit a byte of a variable declared in the .data section at runtime?
User7: the .bss section I thought was for that purpose
User7: hey
User7: my 72 hour ban should be lifted pretty soon
User7: Hey sorry to bother.. but I can't find out where I create my wiki at
User7: for describing my interests and skills
User7: it is one of the steps to requesting a mentor
User7: I found the user prefs page
User12: Cakester, this is certainly not the channel for that
User7: i know, but is there a channel for that?
User7: that i can go t o
User7: oh i found the list of channels
User7: ok
User13: User7 people are split between https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirstnameLastname and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Somenickname in my experience
User7: oh
User13: (I don't know that there is a right channel for that, so I figured I'd just answer ;P)
User7: oh wow. so i can literally start an empty page
User7: pretty cool
User7: others won't be able to edit my page will they
User7: only trusted people right?
User13: anyone with a Launchpad account that isn't blocked from editing can edit any wiki.ubuntu.com page, as far as I know
User14: good morning
User7: hello
User7: and welcome to ubuntu-bugs
User7: where the bugs are the.. buggiest if bugs at all!
User7: or maybe not idk
User15: User7 if you don't know - don't speak in the channel
User7: i am going to walk away as this appears to be some form of aggression
User14: ohhhhhh ;)
User16: hello here https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/390289 i assign to gnome-power-manager, add stock comment of bug without package assigned, request if reproducible in lucid, right ?
User2: Ubuntu bug 390289 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "do not start without power supply (affects: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
User16: request of apport-collect
User14: User16 let me read the bug
User14: User16 I've seen this bug before, let me search for the master bugreport
User14: User16 the user seems to be affected by bug 272247
User2: Launchpad bug 272247 in linux (Mandriva) (and 6 other projects) "System freezes during boot, unless I hold a key down (affects: 41) (dups: 17) (heat: 314)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272247
User14: User16 so mark your bug as a duplicate of this bug, and point the reporter to the workaround
User14: which is mentioned in the description of the master bug
User16: User14 have you same minut for me ?
User14: User16 sure
User16: User14 thanks, haw can i found duplicates ?
User14: User16 good question. launchpad has some search functionality, so you can search for strings etc.
User14: User16 bu IMHO google is much more powerful
User16: the korn, i've noted that you found this much fast
User14: User16 just because I knew that there was such a bug
User14: because I've read about it somewhere before
User14: and I knew that it was related to the HP hardware of the user
User16: ah, ok thanks for explain
User14: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+battery+freeze+on+boot&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
User14: and fortunatly it is on the first page of
User14: ^^
User16: User14 :-)
User14: User16 there is also another "tool" which helps us to find duplicates, it's the bug patterns for apport
User16: User14 i don't know it
User14: so if you think there is a certain pattern in some bugreports which is pointing to the same issue, you can write such pattern to find duplicates
User14: User16 but it's a more advanced feature, and won't work in case of this bug
User16: ok, then is better for me go on with little syeps ;-)
User16: *steps
User14: great! - thanks for helping
User16: User14 thanks
User14: User16 now you need to follow the steps I described above and mark 390289 as duplicate of the other one ;)
User14: if not, I can do it for you
User16: no, i'm busy with my wife questionsssss 8ton of question), i do it, thanks
User14: great, take your time
User16: User14 done, thanks for the help
User17: Is there a known problem with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binutils/+filebug? I keep getting "Timeout error" (Error ID: OOPS-1683E551)
User2: https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1683E551
User14: User17 people in #launchpad might be of better help, they can tell you exactly what's going wrong
User17: User14 Thanks - will try
User18: User16 btw, a useful feature of google is to be able to only search a specific site like searching for 'site:launchpad.net ubuntu battery freeze on boot' will only show results from launchpad
User18: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Alaunchpad.net+ubuntu+battery+freeze+on+boot&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
User16: User18thanks
User16: hello this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/390295 is a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/293642 but is expired, what i have to do ?
User2: Ubuntu bug 390295 in ubuntu "laptop function keys makes gnome hang (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
User16: reopen the exipired and mark 390295 as duplicate  asking if someone can reproduce the issue on Lucid ?
User19: hi there
User19: did I post enought information in bug 615509 for the SRU
User2: Launchpad bug 615509 in collectd (Ubuntu) "curl based plugins are unable to check local files (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615509
User3: User19 it says the fix is in 4.9, so 4.10.1 in maverick is fixed?
User19: it should
User3: User19 also, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
User19: I don't use maverick on my server, but the error disappeared after I patched collectd
User19: so I did
User3: User19 ok, then please set the bug to Fix Released as  it's fixed in maverick and nominate the bug for lucid
User3: you might need to put up a 'TEST CASE:' part with reproduce instructions in the descriptions for the SRU verification
User3: *description
User19: User3 actually the bug is not fixed yep in 4.10
User19: but will be in next release
User19: perhaps I should report to debien BTS as we push from there
User19: debian
User16: User3 can you take a look at my post up 11:39 - 11:41 thanks
User3: eeeek, misread my apt-cache output. it's not fixed in maverick yet as that has the same version in lucid, sorry -.-
User3: *as in lucid
User3: debian has 4.10
User20: baptistemm, that's a *huge* patch for a sru. Is all of this needed ? the git commit is only a 1 line change.
User3: User16 hm.. from what I see those seem to be duplicates, but we need someone to add the information bryce asked to get the other bug out of the expired state
User3: I don't know enough about X bugs to give you more advice, maybe ask in #ubuntu-x
User21: heelp after updates 14h ago cant start comp. logo loads then comp stops thinking.
User22: pedro_, User24 how's the hug day organisation coming on?
User22: pedro_, User24 I blogged about it - do we need more publicity?
User23: dholbach, i'm going to put some bugs on the page now
User23: dholbach, ~50 of each sounds fine?
User23: we have lot of bugs and don't want to scare people :-P
User23: we can always put a link with 'click here for more'
User23: dholbach, i need to post on the QA blog btw and on identi.ca, twitter
User22: User24 ^ do you have an opinion?
 * dholbach hugs pedro_
 * pedro_ hugs dholbach back
User21: whata...
User24: User23 50 will do great :)
User24: sorry, /me was away.
User23: nigelb, ok i'm getting the lists now ;-)
User24: User22 we could use more.  I'll blog tonight.
User25: guys, is it normal that the gnome-power-manager indicator doesn't have an icon?
User24: User25 maybe.  User can set it be not shown I think.
 * nigelb checks just in case
User24: Yep, user can set.
User25: no, I mean, the indicator is there, but without a battery icon
User23: dholbach, nigelb do you guys have any progress graph we could add to the hug day page?
User23: dholbach, nigelb there's a javascript one on the ReviewGuide but i don't think that's going to work on the wiki...
User22: User23 bdmurray has a few
User23: ok so in the graphs directory ;-)
User23: looking into those
User22: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/patches/
User23: awesome ;-)
User26: User30 I can't attend the meeting as my timezone bites haha.... I sent you an email regarding the progress of nisshh & gorilla
User16: User23 are you around ?
User23: njin, hello, yes
User23: hello fabio!
User27: hello pedro_
User16: User23 i've marked this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/390295 as duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/293642 expired ad reopened, but i think tho assign at ....input-kbd, in the latest post there's something regarding steps to reproduce but probably in the same laptop
User2: Ubuntu bug 390295 in ubuntu "laptop function keys makes gnome hang (dup-of: 293642)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
User2: Ubuntu bug 293642 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "[Intrepid - Karmic] Fn-key locks up computer (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
User16: User27 i'm fabio too
User16: User27 i'm from como
User27: hahahahaha
User27: ok
User16: User23 i forget the greetings, sorry .
User28: In any situations where fsck must be started ( even for re-mount cycle value reached - thus very normal check) -- at boot time, fsck terminate and lets the system ( init process ) to wait for fsck status that never returns to the init execution. putting the boot process to hang state
User28: I have to reboot into a linux live, manually fsck my file system and then reboot to Ubuntu normally
User28: Happens to ALL ubuntu derivated distribs
User28: It leads to SERIOUS confusion
User29: On what version of Ubuntu have you tested this situation?
User28: very annoying for me -- but for newbies, can leads to total confusion and leads them to think they've lost their file system
User28: Version: since 9.10
User28: running 10.04
User28: I cannot report the data since it is in boot time and must reboot -- previous msg data lost
User28: tested: Mint 8, Kubuntu 9.10+, Studio ...etc
User11: User28 I cannot repeat. Every so often I get the usual 'x has been mounted Y times, fsck-ing', and no problems -- boot keeps on as usual
User28: ho! and sometime on normal re-mount cycle, fsck is correct I said 'sometime', but for any other reasons ( unclean umount) , fsck always fails at bootime
User28: I have "filesystem inconsistency error" on every partitions  and then boot process hangs - keyboard does not work so "cold reset" is necessary
User28: I agree if you don't have the situation, you cannot see the prob. but It happens all the time for me
User11: User28 we will nee the logs, really. If you have another box, you could set a network console
User11: to capture the boot log
User28: that would be very hard because as you know, fsck is started very early at boot time - no network level  process  started yet
User11: heh
User11: indeed
User11: User28 why do you get so many fscks being run?
User28: /var/log/kernel* : no traces last log.2.gz stops august 1
User28: dont' ask me why fsck starts... I cannot tell you
User28: might be Win7 ... ( dual boot often switching between ) thus affecting only mount-cycles
User11: hum
User11: you access the Linux FSs via Win?
User11: the only reason for fsck (apart from the usual mount count/time triggers popping) is the FS was not cleanly closed
User28: sorry was afk
User28: no! no ext access from Win
User28: and last  unclean umount was months ago nothing to do with this installation
User28: there is no ext4fs drivers in windows
User28: Now that I am calm :-) seems I have to live with this strange behaviour for my computer. It is ok for me but I hope that situation does not raises for newbies...
User11: User28 I have not heard of anything like this. I really would like you to open a bug on it (a priori, assign to linux) -- run 'ubuntu-bug linux'
User11: and explain what is going on there
User28: http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1331500&page=2
User28: please, read page 2 also...
User28: seems old but one reports having same behaviour on 9.10
User28: ...
User28: wow! and bunch of messages dated from january 2010 .... it is a sign ...
User28: some ones thought it was modem-manager - but later we read that it has nothing to do with modem-man ... the common situation is " file systems not mounted and system hangs" obviously, if fsck stops and do not resturns clean, init Mother process wait for ever ...
User28: I am telling you that it happens only in Ubuntu out of my other distribs tests ( Fedora, OpenSuSE, Arch, Sabayon )
User28: okay, I have to go -- And Ubuntu still IS the distrib all star! vannot live without it... tried all other linux distribs I could and Ubuntu always returns first for me :-)
User25: User28 seconded :)
User25: User28 although arch comes as a close second :p
User30: User26 neat thanks!
User28: User25 after hours of configs ...:-)
User28: ciao and thank for your time. ( just leaving this channel I have C++ heavy load of CODING to do ;_)
User30: User25 whats the status of your addons branch?
User25: User30 still awaiting review
User30: User25 merged?  [just noticed your update manager got merged ;)]
User30: ah cool..
User25: User30 [thank you :)]
User30: np..
User25: User30 I'll bug mpt now for this addons branch
User30: too bad we cant subscribe to merges :s
User25: report a bug, importance wishlist :p
User23: dholbach, nigelb may you folks have a look to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100812 and see if everything is ok ?
User23: I've added some bug lists
User25: User23 neat! :)
User23: hello devildante!
User22: holy cow
User25: hi pedro_
User22: that's going to keep them busy for a bit :-P
 * dholbach hugs pedro_
 * devildante hugs dholbach and pedro_
User22: hey devildante
 * dholbach hugs devildante too
User25: User22 hi :)
 * pedro_ hugs dholbach and devildante back
User22: I'm looking forward to that hug day -it'll be great
User22: User24 what about that training session?
User25: User22 is there a training session?
User22: User25 that's what we're discussing right now :)
User25: User22 what is it about?
User22: for the next hug day on thursday
User22: about patch review and forwarding them
User25: okay, okay, okay
User25: I might learn something from this :)
User31: i all
User31: hi all
User31: how is everyone?
User25: User31 all is fine :)
User31: :)
User23: nigelb, dholbach anything else to add : http://paste.ubuntu.com/476005/ ?
User23: nigelb, dholbach that's the announcement so i can send it to the ML and Planet, more input is always welcome ;-)
User22: User23 awesome!
User22: I like it
User25: seconded :)
User25: but line 1 and 10 should read: "Thursday 12th August 2010"
User25: not 10th
User23: oh right, good catch devildante , thanks!
User25: np :)
User23: same on the title :-/
User23: ok fixed, time to make some buzz
User22: :-D
User25: User23 bug 613012 has been fixed, why is it included in the list?
User2: Launchpad bug 613012 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Remove "Ubuntu servers" from irc channel list (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613012
User23: devildante, launchpad fault? ;-)
User25: User23 what? (not sure if I understood that)
User23: devildante, i'm just grabbing the list from what launchpad returns me, if there's something that shouldn't be there that might be a launchpad issue
User23: devildante, feel free to remove the bug or mark it as green
User25: User23 okay
User25: User23 remove ;-)
User25: removed*
User23: devildante, thanks, in which list was it?
User25: User23 patch tag
User23: devildante, i've a huge list so maybe i can add an extra one
User23: devildante, ok thank you!
User25: User23 np :)
User25: User23 I'll see if I can stop other fixed bugs
User24: User23 It rocks.  Sorry.  Lost power.
User23: devildante, cool, just let me know how many were removed  so we can replace those ;-)
User23: devildante, thanks for checking !
User25: User23 okay, np :)
User23: nigelb, cool, I've just sent the announcement no it's tiime to make some noise :-)
User25: User23 Bug #614388 is "fix committed"
User2: Launchpad bug 614388 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "Sugar emulator should start in fullscreen mode (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614388
User25: User23 but it seems the original reporter is the one to mark the bug as commited
User25: should I tell him?
User23: devildante, yes please
User23: it needs to be reviewed anyways
User32: bdrung, User22 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim-bridge/+bug/338217/comments/28
User2: Ubuntu bug 338217 in scim-bridge (Ubuntu) "scim-bridge crashed with SIGSEGV in scimbd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5fModulbd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5funload() - fixed by "rm -Rf ~/.scim/" (affects: 66) (dups: 212) (heat: 1747)" [Medium,Confirmed]
User22: User32 what about it?
 * Laibsch still recommends to at least document the problem instead of doing nothing
User32: User22 you and bdrung said upstream is alive
User32: the Debian maintainer orphaned the package about a week ago
User32: because "upstream is dea"
User32: d
User22: where did I say that?
User32: comment 24
User22: if you want to get the solution integrated, go ahead and do it
User22: I'm not going to stop you
User32: I can't
User32: I don't have upload rights
User32: I provided the patch
User32: I kindly ask again to have it sponsored
User22: subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug
User32: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39501373/LP338217.debdiff
User32: OK
User32: I'm sure I did that in the past
User32: and the patch was rejected
User32: you guys might as well just have taken my word as Debian maintainer of the scim package and part of upstream team ;-)
User25: User23 bug 611024 is marked "Fix Released" for all packages except for one who is not affected by the patch
User2: Launchpad bug 611024 in xmms2 (Ubuntu) (and 13 other projects) "Rebuild for libmpcdec3 â libmpcdec6 transition (affects: 7) (heat: 40)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611024
User25: it's in the "patch tag" category
User23: devildante, well it seems there's no patch for that package yet
User25: should I remove it?
User23: devildante, or mark it green since you reviewed the bug
User23: hello DrKenobi
User25: User23 okay
User33: hello pedro_
 * charlie-tca is glad to see pedro_ is back. It has been a long ...
User23: thank you charlie-tca! it's nice to be back ;-)
User23: btw folks Bugsquad meeting is in ~35 minutes
User34: User11 ping
User25: User23 bug 610300 seems to have been fixed in lucid. should I add a "patch-accepted-upstream" tag?
User2: Launchpad bug 610300 in likewise-open (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "package likewise-open 91.69.162.6111-2ubuntu1.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 39) (dups: 4) (heat: 524)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610300
User23: nigelb,  ^
 * nigelb checks
User24: User25 patch from upstream?
User24: (if so, go ahead.  you're right)
User11: User34 pong
User34: User11 in case i need to miss the meeting
User34: i just wanted to check in
User25: User24 no, it's a patch on launchpad
User24: User25 In that case, you need to forward it upstream.
 * holstein will check the logs
User25: User24 no, it seems it's an Ubuntu specific issue that has already been fixed
User11: User34 yes. I am sorry I had not been able to contact you before, been quite busy. But let's get together
User34: User11 i would like to make some time to work with you
User25: User24 by that same patch
User34: User11 cool
User34: same here
User34: as long as we havent forgotten each other :)
User11: User34 certainly. Right now I am going for lunch, but I will be back in 30 min
User24: User25 oh, Ubuntu specific stuff can be off our radar.  Just ut patch-accepted :)
User11: then we can start
User34: just ping me whenever you got some time
User11: User34 will do
User34: i might be out for the afternoon myself
User25: User24 okay (what does ut stand for?)
User34: but i'll look for you
User34: thanks
User24: User25 s/ut/put :D
User25: User24 okay :p
User24: User25 it stands for "Nigel spells very badly"
User11: User34 I am online every week day, and some weekends. Ping me whenever you are available
User24: User34 don't believe him.  He's online 24/7.  I think he's a bot ;)
User34: hehe
User30: User24 nah , he has been a bad bot ;p , recently he often tends to be offline ;)
User24: User30 gah, bad network!
User25: User24 patch of bug 608747 seems to have been uploaded into universe, but there is still some disagreements. Since there is no other patch to treat, should I put this in green in the list?
User2: Launchpad bug 608747 in goplay (Ubuntu) "Please merge goplay 0.4-1 (universe) from debian (unstable) (affects: 1) (heat: 227)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608747
User24: User25 merge requests are immediately off.  unsubscribe team and subscribe sponsors.
User24: but this one, needs patch-needs work tag
User25: User24 done :)
 * nigelb ^ 5 devildante :)
User30: User25 you need to remove the :"patch" tag too..
User25: User30 okay
User25: User30 done :)
User30: User25 neat! ... now nigelb can ^5 you ;)
 * nigelb hi5's vish instead :)
User19: hmmm, collection3 is unable to graph a couple of rrd where collectd2html can
 * micahg will miss the meeting unfortunately
User23: Hello folks, who is here for the BugSquad Meeting ?
User16: hello, i'm
User25: User23 I'm here :)
User35: I'm here :)
User16: sorry pedro_ but my wife has a troble with the car battery
User23: kamusin, hggdh, vish , devildante, charlie-tca  ?
User16: and i've to run
User25: kamusin said he can't attend
User23: njin,  no worries ;-)
User25: but he will send an e-mail for the mentorship status
User23: devildante, ok thanks!
User30: ~o~
User23: let's start
User23: first of all don't tell to hggdh our secret
User23: !
User30: +1
User25: what secret? :p
User23: the agenda for the meeting can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting
User23: so far it looks like
User23: * Mentorship program update from Mentors
User23: * Open Discussions.
User23: ok who many mentors and students we have this time?
User25: student here :)
User36: student here as well
User23: I'm mentoring a couple of folks
User16: half student here
User37: Oh I'm here for the meeting too.. just a little bit late. ;)
User30: kermiac couldnt attend so he mailed me an update : http://paste.ubuntu.com/476035/
User35: student here
User37: I'll be a student forever, but I have no official mentor. ;)
User23: vish, awesome, thanks!
User23: thanks kermiac for sent the update :-)
User23: I've mentoring elopio and njin both are doing an extraordinary work and we're catching up since I was away a couple of weeks
User23: but so far they're rock solid
User16: hmm thanks
User23: does anybody else want to share updates regarding the students?
User35: well, I've made some mistakes, but pedro_ is a great teacher :)
User23: or any student want to share their experience?
 * pedro_ hugs elopio and njin
User25: kamusin: is an excellent mentor :)
User16: hugs too
 * njin
User23: does anybody is having issues with their mentor or student ?
User23: like mentor/student is not answering their emails/messages/ etc
User36: Just getting started w/Bugs, but have rcv'd good e-mail FB on a few, need to get a mentor though.
User11: User23 I will find another secret...
User23: KE1HA, awesome, could you add your name (if not already) on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students so we can assign you a mentor?
User23: hggdh, jo jo jo !
User25: User23 can you pm me so you tell me that secret? :p
User36: will do.
User23: hggdh, any updates regarding your students?
User30: nigelb too^
User23: devildante, don't tell anybody!
User25: User23 np :)
User24: I was assigned 2 new students.  Just sent out mails today.
User23: especially to hggdh
User23: cool!
User11: I have not contacted them (except for holstein, that contacted me today). I will get on with it, my fault
User23: hggdh, no worries, it's being a busy weeks ;-)
User11: User23 now devildante is also in? >:-]
User30: User23 i'v cleaned up most of the backlog and idle students , and most of the students have been assigned a mentor..
User23: hggdh, oh the whole Bugsquad :-P
User23: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors <- that's the table vish is referring
User23: it looks *amazing*
User23: thanks a lot vish!
User11: you just wait, alliagor, one day this pond will dry out...
User30: np..
User23: alright we need an action item to ping the other mentors
 * njin have two arguments that want to propose.
User25: User23 action item?
User23: I'll take that so they can share the updates with us on the mailing list
User30: User23 if you have heard anything from maco , iirc we need an update from her , else everything is upto date...? heard back anything?
User23: vish, i'll make sure to ping the remaining mentors by email
User11: User30 maco is usually on during evening US time. I can ask her this evening
User9: i have nothing to update
User23: Ok, anything else regarding Mentors/Students ?
User23: otherwise we can move to the next item
User25: User23 I still don't know what is an action item :p
User23: devildante, something that needs to be done which is usually assigned to a person
User25: User23 okay, thx :)
User23: Ok let's move
User23: * Open Discussions
User23: As you probably know already we're having a Bug day for the Operation Cleansweep next Thursday!
User23: this is a great chance to learn how the Patch review workflow works
User23: nigelb, around ?
User23: The page for the bug day is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100812
User23: as you can see there, devildante already started to work on it ;-)
User23: great work devildante!
 * elopio is looking forward to learn about that
User37: User23 Where is the page for the patch review workflow?
User25: User23 :)
User37: ah found the link on that page
User37: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/ReviewGuide#Workflow
User23: but there's a *lot* of bugs waiting to be triaged so if you have some time please consider in joining us that day or the previous like devildante
User23: SpamapS, exactly that one ;-)
User23: also if you can, please blog about it, send some announcement on identi.ca, twitter, facebook, etc
User23: the more help we could have the better ;-)
User37: Seems like (at least for server team packages) the bug rate has gone up quite a bit in the last 2 weeks.
User37: I normally only triage on Fridays but I've been triaging at least one bug every week day to try and help the team keep up, and we still had 16 untriaged this morning. :-/
User23: hggdh, ^
User23: looks like he's not around
User23: SpamapS, could you talk with hggdh to see if we (Bugsquad) can coordinate something to help you guys there?
User38: Hi all ... I have been mentored by sense and he has done the mentoring very well n I'm now in bug control team .. So for all this good I want to thank sense for that.. unfortunately he's not here but still .. :))
User23: great news simar! thanks for sharing
User37: User23 I'll bring it up in the server team meeting, which is in ~40 minutes
User23: awesome SpamapS ;-)
User23: alright folks anything else ?
User30: hggdh, User23 one concern I have, is the list of mentors here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors , an active *willing* mentor list?  looks like its not all of the mentors are really available right now, and we should probably get an update on mentors first before assigning students..
User38: User23 :)
User23: vish, let's ping them to see if they're available or not
User38: User30 Can I mentor someone else or should I wait for some time. I think if I can help someone, I will feel good :)
User23: vish, probably hggdh wants to send the email asking that ;-)
User23: simar, if you're in bugcontrol you can mentor :-)
User30: User23 heh , yeah , hggdh can be scary and persuasive ;)
User23: simar, no need to wait , feel free to add your name to the list :-)
User23: vish, +1
User30: User38 add yourself with time available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
User38: User23 vish  yeah!!! I like it :)
User38: User23 vish I will just do that ..
User39: so, how can I get some Mentor to teach me?
User37: btw, we use this to track our triaging backlog (credit: ttx)  http://webnumbr.com/ubuntu-server-daily-triage
User30: User39 have you applied to the mentorship team?
User39: no
User37: might be useful to produce some more for the bug squad in general.
User40: ddecator: hey, are you around man?
User30: User39 you can read about how to do that and the requirements here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
User23: ashams, check the "How to request a mentor" part on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
User30: User23 looks like drew212 is looking to become a mentor too? ;)
User39: pedro_, and vish : thank you
User40: User30 i am? lol, i wouldn't mind, but i feel very underqualified...
User23: Ok folks anything else ? Otherwise i'd suggest we adjourn the meeting?
User25: mvo: ping
User30: User40 if you are in bug control , you can be a mentor ;)
User23: going once...
User23: twice...
User36: I ahve one, but cant wait until after is someone can stick around fer a moment.
User25: objection!
User25: just kidding :p
User3: nothing here (was stuck in traffic :/)
User40: User30 didn't know that, but i just made it in a couple of weeks ago, and i feel like there is so much to learn =P
User23: Ok Let's adjourn, thanks everybody !
User30: ******DONG*****
 * njin leaving for a little, baby's crying
 * elopio hugs the squad
User30: User40 there is always something to learn ;) btw , ddecator is busy atm
User23: the next meeting is on Tuesday 07 September
 * devildante hugs everyone
User25: thx pedro :)
 * pedro_ hugs the bugsquad
User23: thanks folks
User40: User30 too true.
User23: alright now time to eat!
 * pedro_ -> lunch
User30: thanks pedro_ .
User36: Can we do questions now ?
User30: User36 sure
User36: Is there a place where I can find the frequency of failure (Bugs) on a given hardware type? In particular, WiFI card types as I'm seeing "allot" of the same questions coming up in the Ubuntu channel about the same ones.
User30: User40 so just add yourself with time available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
User30: User36 pass.. i'm not sure , wait for pedro_ or hggdh or charlie-tca to answer that..
 * vish for a moment it felt like a game show.. PASS! ;p
User36: vish, ok. The reason I ask is, there's Wiki pages covering how to install allot of them, but shouldn't that be rolled into each major release, and if so, how do we count the repeat failure?
User38: User30 pedro_ Added myself to Mentors list :)
User11: User36 no, not yet. We are considering something like that, but it is still along way from being available
User11: User36 *then* we should be able to pinpoint bugs to specific hardware
User36: hggdh, rr ok. TNX was trying to work out hot to try and tackle so many of the same type of issues.
User36: charlie-tca, tnx, will have a read of that.
User11: User36 the problem is much more complex that that, though: consider just the CPU chip: you have different dies, different revisions, different problems
User11: BIOS can be updated or not; each machine have a (potentially) different BIOS
User11: and so on
User36: hggdh, rr and firmware version, yeah, I can see its rough that one, but the end-users really get annoyed about it.
User30: User38 neat!
User38: User30 Thanks.
 * njin hugs the bugsquad and go to cook
User30: User25 the easiest way to do reviews is find a package you are familiar with and just clean out all the patches ;)
User36: charlie-tca, that's really nifty.
User30: like how you just poked for the patch for u-m
User25: User30 should I put patches in a branch and propose it for merging?
User36: I pulled up my favorite one: bcm43xx :-)
User30: User25 would probably be even better , group the patches and make branches
User30: User25 ofcourse , giving credit to the submitter ;)
User25: User30 np with that :)
User38: User30 I hope I can add myself to this list also for touchpad area ..https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/AdoptPackage
User30: User38 sure , you can!
User38: User30 charlie-tca :)
User3: User25 if the application's upstream is a launchpad project then yes please do a merge, if not, just attach the patch to an upstream bug report
User30: User38 plus the X swat has always been looking for help.. they would be very happy ;)
User38: charlie-tca: I am pretty sure now of my expertise in touchpad area. atleast for triaging purposes.
User30: User3 yeah , he was looking at an update manager bug , help merge ;)
User30: s/help/hence
User3: ah, right :)
User25: User3 thank you :)
User38: User30 I will like of I could help them, probably by working on xorg. as I see it in Packages that should really be adopted.
User30: User3 there are a few bugs with patches , instead of pinging mv-o for each bug , it would be easier for him to review a andersonchristopher@example.net.. and devildante has recently done a bit of work on u-m too
User3: I know, I did a few merges in the past, launchpad has it's good points
User25: User3 I would rather say lp is awesome :-))
User3: no, not awesome, too many bugs :/
User25: User3 once you select a group of bugs, it *is* awesome :)
User40: if a bug is marked for expiration, should i invalidate it when asking for new information, or just keep it marked as incomplete? see bug 553814
User2: Launchpad bug 553814 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Bookmarks aint working (affects: 1) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553814
User3: User25 no, I meant too many bugs in the launchpad code, my newest annoyance: bug 615123
User2: Launchpad bug 615123 in malone "Oops on production when opening +choose-affected-product (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615123
User3: User40 looking
User40: User3 thanks
User25: User3 not to mention timeout errors :p
User3: User25 I have long stopped paying attention to them, except if it's so bad that I need to file bugs by mail...
User3: User40 you should ask the reporter for more information about the issue, ask micahg for help when he's here, he belongs to the mozillateam
User3: hm, did I mention that the launchpads email interface is nice? :P
User3: you can even set the 'expired' status that way
User40: i was just curious if i should set the status to invalid since it has been so long since there has been activity on the bug, but i the plan was to use the "vague" stock response.
User5: User40 WRT flash crash bugs, this is a new feature for users, they're not used to seeing a note saying flash crashed in the browser, so they might think it's a bug when it's actually a feature, just FYI
User16: User23 around?
User16: njin.ping
User16: User16ping
User16: User23 around ?
User23: njin, yes, i'm around now
User23: was having lunch ;-)
User16: User23 can we start ?
User23: sure
User41: So, I just ran update-manager on ubuntu netbook 10.10 and now when I log in mutter starts but unity and metacity do not. What package short I report this as a bug for? Also,  Anyone know how I can get a normal session to start?
User6: metacity --replace ?
User41: I've done that but things are still acting a little funny. Whenever I change windows the entire screen flashes. I'm imagining that some program is supposed to launch metacity mutter and unity when I start my session but it's not doing it. I'd also imagine that i should file a bug report for that program.
User6: maybe you should try first with a new account or the guest account? just to check that it is a config issue
User42: temp15893, I have the same problem.. and I am waiting for mutter to build too ;)
User41: Yeah, I tried running update manager again but theres nothing yet. I might try the guest account idea. Should I usually assume with major issues like this in maverick that someone knows about it and try updating in in a few hours. Bug reports not usually necessary for this kind of thing?
User41: Makes sense. Thanks.
User31: hello
User31: can someone mark the following bugs as wishlist
User31: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/615876
User2: Ubuntu bug 615876 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Add Ubuntu One note to Tomboy fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
User31: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/615874
User2: Ubuntu bug 615874 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Add Ubuntu One email to Evolution fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
User31: please
User25: guys, how can one forward patches to Debian?
User5: User25 submittodebian or reportbug
User3: User25 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs
User25: micahg, User3 thank you :)
User3: hm, the page should mention https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/Logs/2010-07-22 somewhere I think
User3: should I add a link at the bottom?
User25: User3 Should I forward patch of bug 615563 to debian or patch the package in ubuntu first?
User2: Launchpad bug 615563 in vifm (Ubuntu) "Vifm pause doesn't work when not using screen mode (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615563
User3: give me a second
User3: User25 first forward it to debian, then make a debdiff for maverick as I'm not sure if it will be fixed in debian soon enough for maverick
User25: User3 how do I do a debdiff? simply run debdiff in source folder?
User3: User25 er, no. forward the patch to debian (make sure that you're adding the patch tag and you should add the usertags too) and then ping me again
 * yofel goes back to fighting python
User25: User3 okay
User3: I usually use reportbug to forward patches, works fine
User9: submittodebian
User25: User3 should I use submittodebian?
User3: User9 how does that work? and isn't that for things that are already in the archive?
User25: User3 submittodebian really simplifies things
User5: the problem with submittodebian is it takes the whole Ubuntu diff at once IIRC
User9: its a wrapper for reportbug to attach a patch to an existing debian bug
User9: and file a new one if one doesnt exist yet, i think
User9: User5 it should open in an editor for you to edit it down to just what you want to send
User3: hm, guess I'll try it next time
User25: seconded, it does open an editor for me to discard changes
User9: which you *should* do.  a DD was complaining at debconf about a motu forwarding a patch that included bits of the debian changes that had been backported and so woulnt apply because some bits were already there
User3: heh, can imagine that
User25: whoopsie, submittodebian sent an e-mail to the debian BTS and ... to the hostname (which is devildante@devildante-laptop, obviously not my real address)
User25: what should I do?
User3: as I never used it I'm not sure how that happened, maybe you don't have $DEBEMAIL set and the changelog email was your hostname?
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