User1: <The_LoudSpeaker> (Photo, 1280x960) https://i.imgur.com/Aj3r0Pp.jpg
User1: <The_LoudSpeaker> @The_LoudSpeaker [<reply to image>], theme on my home tv screen. Resolution is 2560 x 1600
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User1: <N0um3n0> @The_LoudSpeaker [<reply to image>], I LOVE It ;)
User1: <N0um3n0> Great job
User1: <HMollerCl> do we have meeeting today?
User2: oh yeah
User2: jeez
User2: one of these days i'll get good at it
User2: ok so let's do this thing then
User2: !standup
User3: standup is @tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @SamuelBanya @kc2bez @The_LoudSpeaker wxl[m] guiverc it's 2100 UTC Thursday which means it's time for the Lubuntu Development standup meeting. Please announce yourself for roll call! Afterwards, in order of announcement, post your items and be sure to mention when you're done.
 * wxl pets the bot
User4: \o
User1: <HMollerCl> o/
User5: o|
User6: o/
User2: _o-
User1: <HMollerCl> -oâ<
User2: can anyone top that?
User2: didn't think so
User2: ok @lynorian go
User1: <HMollerCl> to top?
User2: well she was the first!
User4: been not the best week lost my wallet and stuff
User2: even if yours was the most interesting :)
User2: oh no :(
User4: was replacing it so not as much done this week
User4: thankfully nothing with anything that logs into lubuntu stuff
User4: add startup disk creator kde docs.
User4: locale advanced settings
User4: pavucontrol mutliple sound outputs options
User4: tab key twice to command line intro
User4: volume applet settings
User4: oh and helped wxl test the usb creator kde
User2: thank you very much :)
User6: thank you lynorian ; I found the manual helpful this week (again) too!
User1: <SamuelBanya> I'm going to try testing that Ubuntu iso tester to modify it to run Lubuntu isos. That's all for me.
User2: yeah i consistently see it being referenced in support inquiries
User2: we have need it for aeons
User2: thx sam
User2: anything else?
User1: <HMollerCl> Ã¦ons?
User2: Ãons
User5: You got some props for the great work in another channel lynorian
User5: I concur.
User4: please no yellow fog
User2: Ã¦Åns
User2: yellow fog? XD
User1: <HMollerCl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Fog ???
User4: nah pathfinder rpg joke about strange aeons sorry for the derail
User2: oh no, it's good
User2: i never played it
User2: ANYWAYS
User2: hans go
User1: <HMollerCl> ok
User1: <HMollerCl> created the ppa for lubuntu-update-notifier
User1: <HMollerCl> I hope that everyone test it to be sure it works ok, and have recommendations from improvenment
User2: woo hoo! love it
User1: <HMollerCl> In case someone has not test it, here it is https://launchpad.net/~hmollercl/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-update-notifier
User2: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ everyone go do that
User1: <HMollerCl> and the other thing is that I'm struggling with some strange behaivour in falkon.
User1: <HMollerCl> EOF.
User2: thanks! great work as always
User2: dan go
User5: * Tasks
User5: Submitted https://phab.lubuntu.me/D21 for review
User5: Working on an updated mimeapps.list for https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91
User5: * Wallpaper Contest
User5: Watching the wallpaper submissions come in and making comments.
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Accepted] Package calamares for new upstream release.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D21
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Update mimeapps.list.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91
User5: * Testing
User5: Tested usb-creator in every release from Xenial to Eoan.
User5: Tested lubuntu-update-notifier
User5: Of note: I will be away the tail end of next week, I will probably only be able to check Telegram/IRC a couple of times a day.
User5: Nothing else from me.
User2: i really wish @tsimonq2 would comment on D21
User5: I don't know what to say.
User2: some activity on bug 1829805 today which is sort of related
User3: Bug 1829805 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "update-initramfs -k all -c does not create initrd images anymore" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1829805
User5: I saw that too.
User2: if i can get an answer on what to do i'll happily carry on but *shrugs*
User2: maybe i should just upload it and call it a day
User2: i don't know
User2: I WISH @TSIMONQ2 WOULD SHOW UP OR RESPOND FROM TIME TO TIME
User2: ahem
User2: anyways
User5: If there is something you need from me please let me know.
User2: thanks for your work dan :)
User5: Thanks wxl
User2: chris you should have something to say for once! :)
User6: nothing from me, didn't realize it was friday & i'm still zombie like
User1: <HMollerCl> I think I saw some "@tsimonq2 typing..." message in telegram
User2: @HMollerCl: for how many days? XD
User2: well guiverc you did all that work with those bugs on lubuntu-meta!!!
User1: <HMollerCl> @guiverc [<guiverc> nothing from me, didn't realize it was friday & i'm still zombie like], you are in australia?
User6: melb au
User1: <UniversalSuperBox> @wxl [<wxl> I WISH @TSIMONQ2 WOULD SHOW UP OR RESPOND FROM TIME TO TIME], ack
User1: <UniversalSuperBox> *haha i am funny*
User2: awww *snap*
User2: sudo snap install tsimonq2
User5: He also fixed the wallpaper submissions ^
User1: <HMollerCl> @guiverc that explain why you are on friday
User1: <HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> sudo snap install tsimonq2], -f
User2: chris and i also tag teamed an askubuntu question
User2: and he did all sorts of work on askubuntu and discourse
User2: he's a support powerhouse
User5: Indeed
User2: thank you for being there chris!
User2: that said, everyone ready for my spew? it's bigger than ever this time
User5: GO
User1: <HMollerCl> let it rain
User2: bug triage alone is insane
User2: * BUG TRIAGE
User2: * Commented on a comment on a stale bug that the comment is not relevant to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1822237/comments/9
User2: * Marked language sorting bug as fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1801498
User2: * Marked a bug about panel appear on wrong monitor in Bionic as incomplete https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1819506
User2: * Marked an old 17.10 bug about the installer as invalid https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1724969
User2: * Marked an old Xenial bug as fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1685598
User3: Launchpad bug 1822237 in calamares (Ubuntu) "19.04 Lubuntu BIOS full-disk install with encryption failed to boot (grub-rescue)" [Undecided, Fix Released]
User2: * Marked a bug about metapackages as invalid https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1549310
User2: * Marked an old Xenial bug about no sound as invalid https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1530601
User2: * Triaged a bug about the wrong locker in 18.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1812594
User3: Launchpad bug 1801498 in calamares (Ubuntu) "apparently unexpected order in language selection on welcome module" [Low, Fix Released]
User2: * Marked a bug as won't fix about a wishlist to remove xscreensaver https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/726007
 * wxl waits for the bot to crash
User2: hm maybe that's it right there :)
User2: ok now some other chunky bits
User2: * TASKS
User2: * Made SRU task to change the lxsession default locker in Bionic to light-locker https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90
User2: * Commented on the SRU task for Bionic locker https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90
User2: * Made a PPA for the usb-creator-kde SRU https://phab.lubuntu.me/T51
User2: * TESTING
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Bionic locker should be light-locker: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Bionic locker should be light-locker: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix usb-creator-kde: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T51
User2: * Tested the lubuntu-update-notifier PPA https://launchpad.net/~hmollercl/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-update-notifier/+packages
User2: * Tested the usb-creator-kde PPA https://launchpad.net/~wxl/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
User2: and more stuff still
User2: * UPSTREAM
User2: * Made a comment about an old issue on label text fonts https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1711#issuecomment-511149282
User2: * Moved the issue with label text fonts to Qt https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-77036
User2: * Created an issue about many dialogs being too big for smaller screens https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1731
User2: * Created a feature request for improved restart handling in lxqt-globalkeys https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/124
User2: * Created a feature request to remove magic numbers in lxqt-globalkeys in config files https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/125
User2: * INFRASTRUCTURE
User3: Issue 1711 in lxqt/lxqt "'Desktop prefs->Label text->Font style' not initialized?" [Closed]
User2: * Updated solved plugin settings on Discourse to autoclose after an hour and allow filtering for solved questions.
User2: * MISCELLANEOUS
User2: * Made a comment on Ask Ubuntu about usb-creator-kde and the fix in the PPA https://askubuntu.com/questions/1158249/puzzling-message-from-startup-disk-creator/1158252#comment1928659_1158249
User2: * Updated information on the Lubuntu tag on AskUbuntu https://askubuntu.com/tags/lubuntu/info
User2: finally the TODO
User2: * TODO
User2: * Write article on LXQt v LXDE.
User2: * Write an upstream bug re: problems with actual executables on desktop
User2: * Write an upstream bug re: weirdness with lxqt-globalkeys' conf writing and reading.
User2: * Triage bugs that were likely missed due to missing subscriptions.
User2: * Start on upstream pcmanfm-qt help docs.
User2: * Look into brightness/backlight stuff that Chris tested: bug 1829641
User3: Bug 1829641 in lxqt-config (Ubuntu) "brightness keys on laptop don't dim the backlight" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1829641
User2: any questions?
User6: (stunned silence due to volume of ..)
User1: <HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> any questions?], still reading
User5: You've got a 5X2 screen too?
User2: 2x3 array of 5x2s?
User5: XD
User5: That is fantastic wxl
User1: <HMollerCl> User2 reagrding the lxde vs lxqt article, there is also the 32bit issue that needs to be adressed. What will be our official response for someone with 32bit systtem. Install 18.04 or 18.10 (the last 32 bit iso) and roll....??
User2: i don't know.... i guess it depends on what's in the archives for 19.10+... which we don't know!
User1: <HMollerCl> so, 18.04 then?
User2: i really don't WANT to say that
User2: i am chomping at the bit to stop supporting LXDE
User1: <lynorian> I know
User5: It is tough to support with no upstream activity.
User2: right
User2: but i think practically we need to tell people to use it if they're on 32 bit
User2: or perhaps tell them not to even bother because once 2021 rolls around they're going to have to find something else anyways.. soemthing outside of ubuntu
User5: It is something they will need to plan for.
User2: maybe we recommend LXQt as it's the DE we would recommend people use REGARDLESS of what distro they're on
User2: and using it, though it will come with even more limited length of support, will give them experience with it
User2: this way they can pave their own transition to the next distro
User5: Debian 10 isn't a bad option.
User2: agreed
User2: agaida keeps saying we're going to have ISOs
User5: LXQt is the same version we are on.
User5: xfce-wm though.
User2: what? noooo
User5: umm hmm
User2: i guess it doesn't matter too much
User2: window managers, sans decorations, are relatively invisible
User5: It seems to work ok.
User2: and having something other than openbox might be nice
User2: openbox works fine but you do know the dev said the project is "done"
User2: so it's never going to get better
User5: We will have to transition to something at some point.
User2: there's been some discussion about that...
User1: <N0um3n0> @wxl [<wxl> openbox works fine but you do know the dev said the project is "done"], and there are other options for lubuntu outside of openbox?
User1: <HMollerCl> adn there is wayland...
User2: @N0um3n0 technically every window manager is an option. heck, i use awesome. lynorian has used i3. i'd really like to try sway.
User5: I've tested Kwin
User5: it works too
User2: yep
User1: <lynorian> how to login using wayland isn't quite easy to know how to do changing wm is easier I think
User2: yes lyn
User2: also re: kwin it's not necessarily resource intensive. you can turn down all the fancy features and it's pretty light
User1: <lynorian> well I used i3 by itself I use openbox now just so the screenshots look like default
User2: it's not necessarily *small* but honestly i'm not sure hard drive space is much of an issue anymore
User1: <N0um3n0> i try xfwm4, and  kwin but they are not as light as openbox
User2: especially in an day and age where we don't support 32 bit
User2: there used to be a package specifically to turn down all the fancy features in kubuntu
User1: <tsimonq2> ack
User1: <tsimonq2> XD
User5: Kwin wasn't that much more, maybe 100Mb
User2: go answer that task, simon
User1: <tsimonq2> Which?
User1: <N0um3n0> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Kwin wasn't that much more, maybe 100Mb], lubuntu looks spectacular with kwin and effects activated
User2: siiiiiigh
User2: dude you better get yourself checked. i hear black holes emit radiation :/
User5: I think wxl is referring to D21
User1: <lynorian> would kwin be worse on vm though
User2: naw i've used it before
User1: <tsimonq2> I've been extremely busy :(
User1: <tsimonq2> I'll be back within the week in full swing
User2: your lubuntu family needs you, dude. pencil in some time for us. or at least reply to an email every now and then.
User2: also: didn't you already learn the lesson not to take on too much stuff? :)
User5: I actually tested it today lynorian I think I have screenshots.
User1: <tsimonq2> I'm working on a project for $work with a tight deadline, but the project is creating a customized Ubuntu ISO, so that's the first thing I'm doing when I come back: some ISO tooling in the CI
User1: <tsimonq2> Hah
User1: <tsimonq2> Nooope, I still take on a lot :P
User2: it's not good
User1: <tsimonq2> If you guys urgently need something from me, keep poking
User2: that D21 is the one urgent thing we really have, so if you could look at that and perhaps take steps towards it, that would be great
User1: <tsimonq2> I'm not going totally AFK but I have prior commitments :/
User1: <tsimonq2> Merge and upload iirc
User1: <tsimonq2> You can do that ;)
User2: ok, as long as it's got your stamp of approval for sure then i'll do it
-lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALAPACKAGING3d796470f367: Package calamares for new upstream release.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALAPACKAGING3d796470f367
User1: <tsimonq2> For Disco, we're actually going to go the route of patching lubuntu-default-settings which should be installed on all systems we technically support
User1: <tsimonq2> We can't respin the ISO
User1: <tsimonq2> I'd also like some verification that the option to do updates during the install is actually working when the installation has internet access
User1: <tsimonq2> I think that's switched on but I haven't explicitly tested it
User2: well if my usb-creator-kde SRU gets approved
User1: <tsimonq2> Brief me on the status of that real quick?
User2: made an PPA, was tested successfully, merge request approved and in release for eoan, wrote the SRU appropriately, attached all the debdiffs, subscribed ubuntu-sponsors
User1: <tsimonq2> Give me the bug number and I'll ask for someone to sponsor it who has more time than I do at the moment ASAP
User2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1629715
User3: Launchpad bug 1629715 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Disco) "[SRU] usb-creator-kde shows the install popup after a few seconds of launching without any input" [High, Triaged]
User2: new calamares is in proposed folks
User2: boot live, enable proposed, install calamares, install
User2: should be 3.2.11-0ubuntu1
User1: <kc2bez> Thanks wxl
User2: would have done it sooner but i get nervous about things sometimes
User2: now if it would just get released i could push this darn tag sheesh
User1: <kc2bez> I know the feeling. I have similar issues.
User2: @tsimonq2: tags after successfully built on launchpad (i.e. on proposed) or must hit release first?
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