User1: User2 it's done already iirc, url changed iirc
User1: iirc
User2: User1 Thanks.
User2: User19 It'd be nice to have a link to that somewhere findable.
 * claydoh just can't remember the url, and don't have rss feedss set up here
User3: Hmm, what would you do if you started reciving offending text messages from unknown number?
User2: Generally just ignore them.  The number it says it's from is spoofable.
User2: SMS spam is the next great frontier and phone companies aren't generally very well equipped to deal with complaints.
User3: seawolf: not that easy in Poland
User3: arght
User3: User2 ^^
User3: Cause, few services support polish providers
User3: Well
User3: I'll let it slide for now
User2: User3 No, you misunderstand.  The protocol that says where the message is coming from is not, I don't think, secure.
User2: Not quite the same things, but, for example, caller ID is trivially spoofable.
User3: User2 I wonder how hard is it to spoof that.
User2: I think not very, but for SMS, I'm not 100 percent sure.
User3: bah, caller ID, I used it to do pranks long time ago
User3: hmm
User3: time for research
User4: maverick packages uploadeding to ninjas
User5: uploaded or uploading?
User5: User4 ^
User4: uploadeding
User2: uploaderedinger.
User3: \o
User6: o/
User3: omfg
User3: Qt port for Android
User3: Plasma on my Milestone?
User7: User3 if you get quassel working on milestone, you will have me so greatful... (I would actually pay a decent amount of money for that)
 * jussi hopes one day someone will get it working - I couldnt even get Qt to compile for android, never mind quassel
User3: Oh well
User3: I'll try
User8: I am not capable to add a printer to my system (KDE 4.4.92): http://myriam.kollide.net/printer_problem.png
User8: tried removing, reinstalling, no way to add a printer
User9: User8 There were problems in the past with that module too (bug 348704). I use lpadmin to add printers, but keep bug 482547 in mind and create a /usr/share/cups/model symlink to /usr/share/ppd first.
User10: Launchpad bug 348704 in python-qt4 (Ubuntu Jaunty) "/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/dbus/mainloop/qt.so missing after upgrade" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348704
User10: Launchpad bug 482547 in cups (Ubuntu) "lpadmin / cups-driverd : wrong ppd path , Unable to copy PPD file!" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482547
User7: User8 yeah, Ive always just used localhost:631
User7: User8 but to confirm, I also have the same issue
User11: i wonder if that is ever gonna be fixed
User12: Hey gys
User12: guys\
User12: i'm looking for a nice quality photo of the new kubuntu cd
User12: or the case
User12: anyone?
User4: User8 what version of KDE?
User8: 4.4.92
User7: User4 I have same thing here on lucid with 4.5rc2
User4: User8 it's fixed in final
User8: I am configuring through cups now
User8: but nice to hear it's fixed :)
User7: yay
User7: btw, is rc3 in a ppa yet?
User4: no, we're doing final now
User7: ahh, ok, great!
User9: I'm really glad to hear the release was delayed.
User7: User9 ?
User9: User7 Being able to delay a release with good reason shows good management. I was losing faith (not in Kubuntu) in too many products that wanted to release then and there, but were full of critical bugs.
User13: anyone know how to enable bash completion for git? I remember this used to work 
 * Riddell has never used git
User14: User13 hu, doesn't work? let me try what's here...
User14: User13 works here, you have autocompletion enabled in your bashrc?
User13: ah, nope
User13: that's probably it :)
User14: (:)
User4: User22 am pbuilder kdeutils fix now
User14: Assembly is about to begin, first seminars in less than 4 hours: http://assemblytv.net/schedules
User14: User15 you about?
User15: User14 hai
User14: User15 see this aragon in -ops, his hostname, nice or not?
User14: what I understood, rather not
User16: User13 if you installed it from repos, you should have completion
User14: User16 not if he hasn't turned autocompletion on in bashrc
User14: IIRC it's not on by default
User13: works now :)
User13: User14 you're at Assembly?
User16: User14 oh, it was on for me.  strange
User14: User13 should be, but couldn't make it, just like with any event in last year or two
User13: ah
User13: "Interview with John Buckman", that's the Magnatune boss :)
User13: (from Assembly TV schedule)
User14: ye
User17: User20 kde bug 246799
User10: KDE bug 246799 in general "muon crashes when selecting ada-mode" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246799
User17: actually I'm a bit confused since it says '#6  0x00007f6ef7c84eb4 in pkgRecordsbd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5fLookup(pkgCachbd6c:f4c4:4f6:c742:59d8:35db:68f6:4d5fVerFileIterator const&) () from /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.10' and I don't have a libapt-pkg.so.4.10 here
User17: *headdesk*
User17: the heat is getting to me..
User17: of course I have
User18: User2 ubs-creator-kde only works with Ubuntu (and likely Debian) based distros. At least it's only verified/guaranteed to work with Ubuntu at the moment. Though, there is work underway via GSOC to allow booting via ISO directly off the usb. This could mean ANY distro would work in the future.
User15: User14 well a bit of the sexual nature
User18: User14 see my comment above
User14: User18 so I should be able to make bootable PPC usb in x86 Ubuntu?
User18: possibly
User14: ok, will try it then, thanks
User2: User14 New ISO that's not oversize.
User2: It would still be interesting to know if the USB thing works.
User2: User14 You may be affected by bug 613574, so watch out.
User10: Launchpad bug 613574 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Maverick) "kdm times out on live cd" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613574
User19: Hmmm... Are there any packages that *don't* depend on debhelper? Or can I safely add (permanently) it to my build environment and save on downloading/installing it every time?
User4: "hello" still doesn't use it
User2: User19 There are a few, but you're probably not very likely to touch them.
User19: Thanks
User2: \sh: Please say so and better yet, review some of the code and find more reasons.
User20: User17 would you be able to try a patch against libqapt? http://pastebin.com/0nDW4xT9
User4: yes, it's still in new, I still need to make a decision
User2: \sh: Please write a thorough message.
User2: User4 I think the fact that it adds untrusted repositories is enough to reject it, but there are no doubt piles of other reasons.  Envy got in, but was required to drop adding a PPA or be removed before release.
User2: \sh: Certainly.  What I'd really like is something like the review mjg59 did of automatix, but I haven't the time.
User21: User15 http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/ wth?
User21: :D
User4: User2 required by whom?
User2: I don't, but JontheEchidna knows about policykit.  Maybe he'll look.
User2: User4 There was a critical bug filed against it.
User20: could somebody pastebinit the policy file?
User4: \sh: ^^
User2: User4 I can't seem to find it, but fundamentally in archive packages should not add third party repositories (one of the ones it adds is mediabuntu, btw).
User2: It fundamentally breaks the security model.
User4: unless your app name is ubiquity presumably
User2: Right, but it only uses stuff from withing the security boundary of the distro.
User2: If a package added sources.list from Lucid, downloaded source, and built it for Maverick, it'd be odd, but not a security concern.
User4: my reference was to ubiquity downloading legally questionable stuff from medibuntu which is about to happen
User2: Well I don't think it should do that.
User2: Is this in a spec somewhere?
User22: User20 I have a few patches for muon: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/muon/
User22: User20 also I noticed that muon silently fails when another package manager is holding the lock
User20: neat, I'll take a look at them in a bit :)
User4: User2 I've no idea
 * Riddell uploads new 4.5 tars to ninjas
User4: for lucid
User23: shouldn't the kdesudo patch be removed for kdm in 4.5? seem to work fine without it.
User23: :D
User20: \sh, User2 it does have an OR dependency on a nonexistant package (policykit-1-qt)
User20: User23 yes, the root bit should be removed from kdm's .desktop file
User4: User23 which patch is that?
User20: User4 a patch doesn't need to be dropped, but one added to remove the "I need root" bit from kdm's kcm's .desktop file
User23: User20 ah, so that's how it works :)
User4: oh I see
User20: well, we do have a patch
User20: but that's to launch all kdm
User20: *kcm's
User20: that advertise that they need root
User2: User14 Please let us know if you get a chance to try the powerpc image so we can get it 'released' if it works.
User7: hrm, on maverick, getting this after every apt command: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1
User3: \o/
User4: User7 bug 613412 ?
User10: Launchpad bug 613412 in packagekit (Ubuntu Maverick) "packagekit in maverick causes error in apt operations" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613412
User7: ahh, that looks like it
User4: needs dantii to fix probably
User7: ok, excellent. Glad we are on top of it
User7: oh and btw...
User7: I HAS INTERNETS!!!
User4: yay!
User4: civilisation has reached your new hoose
User7: they came out and fixed it today
User7: aparently thunder had gotten to it...
User3: User4 testing updates once again
User4: User3 which updates?
User17: User20 it doesn't crash anymore with your patch and seems fine so far, only the 'Mark for Installation' button is pretty useless ^^
User20: :P
User20: User17 thanks for testing
User17: np
User20: cia is being a bit behind with the announces ;)
User3: User4 KDE in maverick
User4: User3 from ninjas?
User14: User2 found my rw discs, so burning the image and will run it right when its reade
User2: User14 Great.
User14: oh whatta.... k3b or some other blocks empty rw from itself?
User24: \o
User24: btw
User24: EBN is up too.. now we can fix docbooks with them patches :D
* ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | Maverick Alpha 3 Released! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | KDE 4.5.0 is go for packaging!  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | New Kubuntu site up! thanks to ofirk !
 * ScottK summons the web site ninjas to make an announcement.
User24: whee :D
User4: User2 trying..
User14: User2 I think wodim just spit out the error that it doesn't fit or something
User2: User14 You got the new one from today?
User14: hmmm, I doublecheck
User14: User2 bah, I did download yesterdays image today...
User2: That would explain it ....
User4: User2 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/maverick-alpha-3
User14: User2 retrying =)
User2: User4 Nice.
User2: User14 Thanks.
User4: now I can upload my backlog of things
User4: User25 libdbusmenu-qt and plasma-widget-menubar uploaded
User25: User4 thanks!
User26: can anyone give me a clue in which package are kde api docs located. I'm trying to write something in Kdevelop and I'm a bit frustrated.
User24: User26 they should have been pulled in with kdevelop
User24: and user support is that way
 * shadeslayer points to #kubuntu
User26: sorry. I thought that -devel would be a better place to ask (cause, you know, I'd like to devel sth)
User22: User4 could you also upload a kcm category fix: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/kcm-gtk_0.5.3-0ubuntu6.debdiff
User4: User26 there's no correct channel for questions about development on a paticular distro I'm afraid
User4: User26 and I just use api.kde.org for docs
User4: I don't think we package it any more
User26: User4 thanks. I just thought it's easier to used built in documentation viewer, that's all
User4: new qt curve out (also bug 528872)
User10: Launchpad bug 528872 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve (Ubuntu) "equal rgb values when calling common/common.h:rgbToHsv causes segfault" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528872
User24: User4 want me to package>
User24: if no one else is up ...
User4: User24 yes please :)
User24: ok :D
User24: 1.52 right?
User4: yes
User4: and can you check if it has a fix for that bug?
User4: User22 "X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category-V2" it really uses the V2 key?
User24: my interwebz is full of fail today :(
User22: User4 kde 4.5 uses -V2 if it's present to allow backwards compatibility
User4: User22 backwards compatibilty that still ends up in Lost+Found?
User4: User22 uploaded
User22: User4 no, kde <= 4.4 uses X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category and kde >= 4.5 ...-V2
User24: User4 err... its named  kde-style-qtcurve ? ( the source tarball )
User22: we can just sync qtcurve from debian
User22: kde-style-qtcurve and gtk2-engines-qtcurve
User24: yeah
User24: ill look into that
User22: it doesn't fix the equal rgb bug though
User4: fooey
User24: aw.. :P
User4: question is if we want to include that temporary patch then
User24: building in pbuilder
User24: User12 i have a old 7.04 CD as well :P
User24: if you want a photo of that :D
User12: shadeslayer i can't put that on the web page :D
User24: shipit++
User12: wanna see some new mocks? ;)
User24: i do believe that all our artwork is on the wiki
User24: User12 again? :D
User12: shadeslayer there is still muuuuch work to be done ;)
User12: http://a.imageshack.us/img831/273/downloads.jpg take a look here
User24: :O
User24: dont tease us :P
User24: dude.. that is awesome.. those install buttons are *very* innovative
User24: we can have them linked via apturl :P
User12: shadeslyaer me and ofir already had that idea ;)
User12: and thank you :)
User24: hehe :P
User24: well... since now rekonq now has apturl support, we can make this work by default :D
User12: shadeslayer woow! nice. I didn't get it to work in chrome :(
User24: yeah chrome is fail at that :P
User24: User12 i refactored the code to get it working :P
User24: had to add about 5-6 LOC
User12: shadeslayer nice. I only wish for rekonq to not crash that much :(
User12: take a look here: http://a.imageshack.us/img696/8712/downloadkubuntuchoose.jpg
User24: User12 updated to kde 4.5 ?
User12: shadeslayer yep, and rekonq 5.3 something i guess
User24: and its more of a issue with webkit+Qt 4.7
User24: User12 err... we dont even have a 1.0 release :P
User12: shadeslayer will be fixed for 10.10, right? :)
User24: it should be
User12: then ok ;)
User12: how do you like the download chooser? :D
User2: User24 I don't think rekonq is going to be the default browser.
User24: err...well.. konqueror supports apturl as well :P
User12: instead of changing the browser every release, put firefox there :)
User12: it has KDE support
User12: make the default style oxygen like from kde-look :D
User12: no one will see the difference :D
User24: meh...
User24: User12 gecko is sloow
User12: shadeslayer then put chrome ;D
User12: chromium, sorry :D:D
User2: User12 We've never changed the default browser.  It's always been Konqueror.
User2: this would be the first time.
User14: Konqueror <3
User24: not enough space on CD for chromium
User12: ScottK well, leave it as it is. Konqueror + firefox installer ;)
User24: altho... i wouldnt mind replacing the KFI for a CFI :P
User12: shadeslayer ^
User2: User12 I think that's likely.
User2: User24 Currently rekonq is far to crashy and upstream won't even take the bug reports.
User12: ScottK Linux users know they can choose onther browser ;)
User4: User2 I think you misjudge
User24: User2 because its a problem in Qt.. as far as i can tell
User4: they opened the "random threading crashes" bug after the 0.5 release
User4: they didn't want to care about bugs with unreleased software before their release, which is fair enough
User2: User4 cherylbray@example.com.  I've had my bug reports closed because I was using too new KDE/Qt.
User4: and now the "random threading crashes" problem seems to have gone away
User4: and I'm back to using it as my main browser
User2: We've another month until Qt 4.7 releases.  Are they not going to take our bug reports then?
User2: then/until then
User4: they're taking them now
User2: OK.  I'll give it another try.
User4: needs 4.5.0 to make the random crashes go away
User4: flash still isn't great though
User12: Hey, i'm downloading alpha3, which version of KDE it has??
User24: 4.5
User4: a release candidate of 4.5
User24: hehe..yeah :P
User24: forgot about the new tarballs
User3: User4 too many bugs for release? :P
User4: User3 how do you mean?
User3: User4 if release was pushed back
User24: User3 still not accepted in kde-packager?
User3: then it means something
User3: User24 nope
User24: :(
User4: User27 I just synced grantlee 0.1.4 from debian, so we're using their packaging now
User4: User27 is there any paticular need to do a backport to 10.04?
User24: User4 unless we want a patch for qtcurve..im going to request sync
User27: User4 I was going to figure out how to do that myself :) No need now. What do you mean 'anything special' ?
User27: Oh, that'snot what you said
User27: No particular need, no
User27: When is 10.10 freeze?
User27: Grantlee 0.2.0 will be BiC and it would be good to get it into 10.10
User27: I'll port kaddressbook and kjots to the new version of course.
User24: User3 around ?
User3: User24 yeah
User24: User3 {debupstream} in a packaging recipe uses the debian version from changelog right?
User17: User27 feature freeze for 10.10 is in a week, maybe get a FFE if it's worth it
User3: I belive so
User24: weird then... https://edge.launchpad.net/~team-iquik/+archive/tools says otherwise ( look at lm-sensors )
User27: 0.2.0 will not be out by then anyway.
User27: Backports will be ok too I think.
User24: User3 btw will it be possible to get new packages in universe after FF?
User24: ( brand new shiny packages :P )
User3: after feature freezee?
User24: yeah
User3: hmm
User3: It is possible
User3: but you need FFE
User24: ok
User3: Feature Freeze Exception
User24: i know ;)
User24: User3 it seems the recipe left out the epoch
User24: and thus ill have to add it manually now :/
User3: god damn
User3: WHOLE WEEK?
User3: Launchpadâs web interface will be read-only (most other aspects will be offline) for 90 minutes on August 12th while we roll-out the latest code.
User24: User3 whut?
User3: User24 kdelibs import fix
User24: where?
User24: ah :p
User24: User4 bug 613913
User10: Launchpad bug 613913 in kde-style-qtcurve (Ubuntu) "Sync kde-style-qtcurve 1.5.2-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613913
User24: build log attached
User4: thanks shadeslayer
User24: :)
User24: User3 does https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html open for you?
User24: btw anyone of you guys coming for the Common Wealth games to india? :D
User24: User5 btw some good news, my uni has holidays due to CWG, and thus my 2nd minors might get postponed \o/
User24: so my chances of coming to UDS ( if i get selected ) have marginally increased :P
User14: User2 finally got it running, live session seems to work
User2: User14 Excellent.
User2: User4 ^^^ enough testing for an Alpha 3 release on powerpc?
User24: User2 lol
User2: No, serious.
User15: User20 I do not consider bug 613838 normal in any situation
User10: Launchpad bug 613838 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Password dialogs open in full screen windows in Kubuntu Maverick Alpha 3" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613838
User24: User15 your on maverick or lucid?
User15: mav
User24: i need people who are on lucid ...
User15: how so?
User24: reagrding bug 603276
User10: Launchpad bug 603276 in lucid-backports "Please backport kraft-0.40-1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603276
User24: User8 ^
User20: User15 should be upstream, anyways
User15: User20 that I agree with ^^
User2: User15 Was that on netbook or desktop?
User15: netbook
User15: see screenshot
User2: Clicking is too much work.
User2: Definitely worth an upstream bug.
User15: lol
User15: User24 just get a lucid vm?
User24: im lazy :P
User24: and i have no lucid ISO
User15: isnt there crazy script magic that does the setup automatically? :P
User2: BTW, I'm fixing up kubutu-meta so kubuntu-netbook is a transitional package for kubuntu-desktop and ripped out all the netbook stuff.
User2: I'm also ripping out sparc while cherylbray@example.com.
User2: Done.
User22: upstream kde doesn't support X-KDE-RootOnly for KCMs, right?
User24: User4 qtcurve sync'd :D
User22: both?
User24: User22 both?
User24: there are 2 of them? :O
User24: bug 613913
User10: Launchpad bug 613913 in kde-style-qtcurve (Ubuntu) "Sync kde-style-qtcurve 1.5.2-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613913
User22: indeed
User24: whats the other source called?
User22: gtk2-engines-qtcurve
User24: ill do this quickly before i sleep then
User20: User22 right, we have a patch that launches them in a root'd kcmshell4
User22: User20 weird, the upstream login screen kcm contains a X-KDE-RootOnly line
User15: whatever happend to novell's bandit I wonder
User20: User22 yeah, that bit went upstream though, for some reason
User15: User20 because it was the truth :P
User22: can anyone confirm that kate displays "?" icons for all documents?
User24: User22 bug 613974
User10: Launchpad bug 613974 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve (Ubuntu) "Sync gtk2-engines-qtcurve 1.5.2-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613974
User28: User20 back from holiday?
User20: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopgm1538
User20: User28 nope, just kickin' back and relaxing at the hotel
User20: and I apparently relax by writing APi documentation :D
User28: I'm going to the beach soon
User20: User22 oh, that pic was in response to your question
 * ulysses on holiday also
User20: User28 btw, did you see that typo fix that I sent the mail to kde-i18n-doc about?
User20: I think it's the one you had mentioned
User28: User20 nope, I didn't subscribe that list, I'll do then
User22: User24 thanks :)
User24: :)
User28: User20 I found typo in the translation, that was my fault:)
User20: User28 ah, but I had a typo where I said "this package does have" instead of "does not have"
User20: big difference ;)
User28: hm, maybe I've seen it
User28: somebody working on Muon's documentation?
User20: jjesse was working on the english docs
User28: I couldn't write bout Kubuntu Maverick alpha 3 release, I'm on holiday with mobile internet:(
User28: oh, the laptop going down, goodbye
User20: bye
User20: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/muon
User20: needs libdebconf-kde, which is in new queue
User20: is there any way to give bug 609247 any more gas?
User15: dang
User10: Launchpad bug 609247 in qapt (Ubuntu) "[MIR] qapt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609247
User15: these kubuntu devs even include a gfdl
User20: moo.ogg is GFDL'd ;)
User15: that does not mean that one knows gfdl must be distributed along the source :P
User15: you have an empty doc dir btw
User20: generated by kapptemplate
User20: once jjesse is done it won't be empty :D
User20: bbl
User15: hm
User15: I really think MuonStrings should be relicensed to fit in with the rest
User15: poor thing sticks out ^^
User15: User20 no homepage? :(
User15: User20 I would not describe the license as "GPL-3 or later" though
User15: more like "GPL-2 | GPL-3+ (if accepted by membership of KDE e.V."
User3: god damn those licenses
User3: User20 go with WTFPL
User15: User20 the package description overuses the word support a bit IMHO
User3: User15 We must let users know we provide support :P
User22: User20 spotted the error, the kate package doesn't install null.png anymore
User22: my next question would be: why does kate need an icon to not display an icon ^^
User15: User3 not that usage of the word
User20: User15 yeah, I gutted the whole .cpp that I got it from, but forgot to relicense/recopyright
User29: when will 4.5.0 land in the "official"/open ppa?
User22: User29 for lucid?
User29: yes
User29: backports/beta ppa that is
User22: I guess as soon as it's released
User29: ok, good enough :)
User22: maverick is already pretty stable though :)
User29: yeah, maybe it will let me actually burn DVDs maybe (found that regression yesterday).
User29: I might upgrade on the weekend.
User29: (although I'm finally enjoying some stable release this time for a bit longer)
User22: don't you miss the occasional breakage? ;)
User22: User20 the changelog fetching code seems a bit broken in muon
User22: User20 when you switch between packages very fast it sometimes reads the wrong changelog file and some temp files aren't deleted
User22: User20 http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/muon/muon_changelog_fetch.patch should be better
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