User1: morning all
User2: hey bluesabre :)
User3: Esh, on a weekend?
User1: :D
User1: flocculant, so, dead at greeter or after greeter?
User2: umm
User2: after logout from guest
User2: also the pulseaudio crash is odd
User1: Unit193, that greeter bug is somewhat amusing... you're probably doing it wrong if your computer lab has multiple sessions :\
User2: only g-s crashes pa though
User1: so logout from guest would be the greeter
User2: User1 obviously if you want a specific u-bug package I'll do that
User2: I just didn't want us to end up with a bunch of bugs all for similar things from people
User2: with little time it'd take longer to sort those out than anything else :p
User1: looks like there might be a rare greeter bug with it just going black http://osdir.com/ml/general/2016-09/msg22771.html
User1: all of this really might stem from some ugly bug in lightdm or X.org
User2: mmm
User2: personally I've not a clue what we should do :p
User1: yeah
User1: flocculant, logout from guest is bad in either, and pa is just gnome-screensaver?
User2: this business they've got with kernels and beta isn't making it very easy to find time to talk to people
User2: User1 ack
User1: so definitely some issue exists in lightdm-gtk-greeter, lightdm, and/or xorg
User2: then I ended up with xfce rather than xubntu - but I think that was me not checking the session type
User2: User1 yea I'd say so
User2: but only us - no-one else (including studio) is affected
User1: flocculant, so we can swap out the greeter to something else to narrow that down
User2: ok
User2: User1 have you seen this issue when switching user(s)?
User2: oh btw - I did add a new admin user and try there - just in case it was some *thing* with guest user - no change
User2: and I couldn't get back to the original locked session anywhere with anything
User2: but I assume that's because greeter
User2: User1 perhaps try with the ubuntu greeter
User2: mostly cos I'll hate you if you say lets try kde-greeter :p
User1: :D
User1: flocculant, I hadn't seen the issue before, tried just now with a bogged down computer, entered guest session, tried to log out, computer froze, restarted
User2: ok cool - sort of
User2: at least that means it's not just me being an idjit :)
User2: I can do some testing later with other greeters easily enough if that helps
User1: yeah, that should help
User2: I think the busiest thing I'm up to this weekend is eating :p
User1: we can also throw lightdm out by testing with gdm
User1: sounds like its going to be a long weekend :\
User2: ok - can you write on http://pad.ubuntu.com/lock-change exactly what you want from me
User2: I can test with new-greeter, then change to gdm and old-greeter then new one - whatever gets us the best set of data 
 * flocculant hopes that there is surely some combination that works
User2: we don't necessarily need to change - might be we find where the issue lies for someone *canonicalish* to be able to help
User1: yeah
User1: looks like I can not log out of the guest session
User2: k
User1: everything closes and I am left with the dev wallpaper
User2: yup
User2: exactly the same here
User1: screen doesn't flash black, so I don't think its even getting back to the greeter
User2: and not only on the vanilla install but here too - and I ended up http://i.imgur.com/t69s536.png
User2: which was nice ...
User1: :(
User1: flocculant, do you know if this is reproducible in a vm?
User2: User1 hard to tell - can't get one back from suspend
User1: should be able to test with just locking
User2: 2 seconds then
User1: there's basically a few things I want to test here... it might be a bug with the greeter, so we can try guest session in ubuntu-mate... it might be a bug in xfce4-session, though I think we're alone there
User1: if we can reproduce outside of xubuntu, it will get way easier to get help :)
User2: vm crashes coming back from guest user
User2: and yea I know - hence me always trying these things elsewhere
User2: I haven't actually tested other flavours coming back from guest
User1: I'm going to be testing these things as well
User2: I'll test Ubuntu ...
User2: that's the best place for us to find reproducibility :p
User2: User1 I'll zsync ubuntu right now - install vm - check guest, be ~15 minutes to a result
User2: in the meantime perhaps you could write some on the pad - so we both test exactly the same things
User1: alrighty
User2: ubuntu has yak on slideshow :p
User1: flocculant, what happens when you lock your screen, click switch users, and then just log back in as yourself?
User2: not tried
User2: I'll try in the vm
User1: k
User2: grabbing mate iso too
User1: lappy updated, rebooting, bbiab
User2: User1 if I lock, switch user, login as me, password, unlock screen, password - back where I started properly
User2: ubuntu takes longer to install ...
User1: flocculant, that's good at least
User2: yep
User2: booting ubuntu now - fingers crossed in some bizarrely unfair fashion :p
User2: starting mate install
User2: User1 booted ubuntu, can switch users while at normal user desktop - get the Data in guest session warning - then blank screen
User1: so guest session does not fully load for u?
User2: not appearing so - redoing now
User1: oh boy
User2: switching to guest from lock screen
User1: further into the rabbit hole...
User2: yea - but it's not going to be quite so lonely down there now hopefully
User2: leaving vm for a bit - just in case it's I've got too many running :p
User1: :)
User1: I've got 3 isos racing each other as they download
 * flocculant wanders to kitchen to make tea - that should be enough time
User2: ha ha
User2: User1 ok - that ubuntu vm is stuck trying to start guest session
User2: and mate is almost installed
User2: User1 ok - so ubuntu was hung at guest, ctrl+alt+f7 got me back to lock screen, password and back to where I was
User1: so that's no good
User1: :D
User2: mate just works
User2: so there are issues with ubuntu at least
User1: and locking/switching everything seem fine with mate?
User2: User1 ok - so Xubuntu - login user, lock, login guest, logout, crashes, ctrl+alt+f7, login user, unlock user - back where I started
User1: alrighty
User2: User1 and ack for mate working fine
User1: welllllllllll
User1: dang
User2: so - we have the same problem seemingly as ubuntu - which I further assume (or hope) to mean we'll get us fixed without having to change locker
User2: User1 you were expecting mate to fail and ubuntu to work weren't you :)
User1: flocculant, I was at least expecting mate to fail
User2: thought so from reading the pad
User2: User1 how about I install ubuntu to hardware - then ubuntu-bug from there, dupe our one to it - then go from there?
User2: or do you still want to be ready for us to move locker if needed?
User1: flocculant, somewhat different though, right? our guest session loads but won't exit, their guest session won't load
User2: oh hang on
User2: regardless of the guest issue - we've got other problems iirc
User2: our bug is unlock from a normal user fails
User2: I think I will still run through the stuff on pad for us - we'll have that data then regardless of what happens when we tell -release
User1: ok
User2: I'll work through all that this afternoon - add notes to the pad we're using
User1: I'm getting xubuntu installed in a vm while the others download
User2: okey doke
User1: I'll see if I can find anything additional
User2: yup
User2: omg :|
User2: now I found some thunar thing ... unless it's what I couldn't reproduce of Unit193's ...
User3: User2 Got xfce4-gtk3 exo?
User2: yes - Unit193 I can now reproduce change view to detailed view
User2: oh yes - got the gtk3 ppa's
User3: bluesabre's fault. :P
User2: :)
User1: exo broken in the ppa?
User2: User1 got to fly for a bit now - will crack on later with this lock stuff - will get notes there for you to see when you're about
User1: flocculant, alrighty, hf
User2: will be about on and off all day, so if you think of anything either ping me or write it on the pad
User1: will do
User3: User1 Yeah, poked you about that.
User1: aha
User1: can you repoke?
User1: I miss things :(
User2: User1 just quickly - vm, remove lightdm, add gdm and a million other things - can't switch user :p
User1: :D
User2: so we should do that - then no problem if we go to g-s or xs as there's no way to get to another user :D
User1: :)
User1: brilliant!
User2: User1 what would you say was best thing to bug report against for the ubuntu version?
User1: flocculant, hard to say... ubuntu-session maybe? the lock screen in ubuntu is part of unity, but the bug is with the session loader
User2: User1 I've got some success going on here
User2: added a new user - normal account
User2: can lock first user - switch to new one - lock that - switch back and forth between them both
User2: seems to be the guest user causing problems
User1: cool
User1: Unit193, any idea what the guest user might be related to?
User2: User1 and finally - if you logout of a user - seems to lose any chance of getting back to a locked session
 * bluesabre really wants to blame lightdm
User2: perhaps I should report against that then
User2: I can (Iassume) reproduce all this in Ubuntu, then we can dupe our bug against it - and hand that new one over
User2: jeez this is a real pita ...
User1: very
User2: User1 ok - can reproduce ^^ in Ubuntu
User2: and guest kills it
User1: oh goodie
User1: that should simplify things :D
User2: oh wait - just see what happens if I log out of one
User2: almost
User2: so if I logout of session in Ubuntu, can resume other locked session
User2: in Xubuntu appears to logout all sessions
User2: but surely if I report in Ubuntu - can just comment for Xubuntu the difference
User2: User1 you sure ubuntu-session?
User1: flocculant, not sure of anything
User2: ha ha ha
User2: ok - well I think I'll report it against kernel - they appear to be worried about that :D
User2: User1 lightdm because you blame it?
User1: flocculant, maybe just spam the "also affects"
User2: ok - with ubuntu-session, xubuntu-session, greeter?
User1: yeah, seems like a good start
User2: so both our greeter and the unity one :p
User2: User1 thanks - I think we've done enough for the moment - at least until *they* can facepalm
User1: flocculant, thanks a bunch... let me know when we have a bug and I'll see if I can critical it or something
User2: likely we'll be in a position to not change locker do you think?
User2: worth waiting till we hear from them I guess
User1: alrighty
User4: flocculant, do you still want us to run the testcases as published? Or are there changes coming from your investigation today?
User2: User4 I'd guess not just now
User2: User1 bug 1627304
User5: bug 1627304 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "User locking problems - guest login crashing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627304
User2: don't ask why  it decide to call it unity-greeter - also can't find -sessions to affect
User1: flocculant, ok, not sure why the -sessions don't show
User2: no idea - much to much like Lp fu there :)
User1: looks like ubuntu-session is gnome-session
User1: apt-get source ubuntu-session
User1: Reading package lists... Done
User1: Picking 'gnome-session' as source package instead of 'ubuntu-session'
User1: xubuntu is probably xubuntu-default-settings more than anything
User2: ok - done that then
User2: I've added a comment from our perspective - with our bug, but haven't duped it atm
User2: User4 thanks for reminding me - I've sent a mail to the list now :)
User1: thanks flocculant
User2: User1 not much more I can do now afaik
User1: yeah, I think we're basically waiting for ubuntu proper to take a look now
User2: k - we can move on to the weekend now then \o/
User4: flocculant, just saw it, thanks. wfm :)  Good work!
User2: thanks for your help bluesabre :)
User2: I was getting a bit snowed under with all the permutations :p
User1: flocculant, seems like you did most of the hard work, I only suggested things that might be related
User2: which helped enormously :)
User1: :)
User2: not even had music on ...
User2: so it must have been bad
User1: lol
User2: User1 actually I wonder if a mail to the release list would be a better method to start the ball rolling?
User2: if so it might be better coming from you - if they ask tech questions ...
User2: because currently - this is a blocker for us
User1: yes
User2: sometimes it's a bit 'sigh flocculant found another bug for us :('
User1: :)
User2: I'll just wait now to see the mail
User2: if I've not seen one by Monday I'll get all huffy :D
User1: :)
User1: drafting it up on that pad
User2: been useful that pad :p
User1: indeed
User1: I suppose I should also report guest session dying on logout in xubuntu
User2: yea
User2: I'd mention that switching between normal users who are locked would be useful
User2: we both see that, it's only us who have the initial complete fail on lock with light-locker
User1: flocculant, specifically, xubuntu works when not using light-locker in this scenario, right?
User2: when not using l-l  we have issues with guest, but vt7 brings lock dialogue back as it does with ubuntu
User2: not usin gl-l means we can lock for normal users and switch between
User2: User1 hadn't had time to check all this with xscreensaver
User1: flocculant, created bug 1627310
User5: bug 1627310 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Guest session fails to log out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627310
User2: should these be added to b/p?
User2: the original one is atm
User2: not that we're likely to forget them :D
User2: confirmed that bug
User2: User1 I assume I am right in thinking that now we've found ^^ we have a bit more time available (not much) as they'll be wanting us to wait on results ? Though obviously we'll still need time to change locker if necessary and test
User1: yeah, we probably shouldn't further bombard them with extra stuff unless we know exactly where to look
User1: how's the draft look to you?
User2: maybe add that Mate isn't affected - might help narrow down where to look?
User2: doesn't appear to be affected
User1: k
User2: User1 yep - that looks fine to me - doom laden enough without sounding like I wrote it :)
User1: :D
User1: alrighty then, I'll send this one out
User2: infinity will at least be expecting some of that
User2: cheers :)
User2: I bet akxwi-dave is pleased this happened this cycle :p
User2: I can't wait for us to fiddle with file-managers next cycle, I can just watch \o/
User1: :D
User1: flocculant, mail sent
User1: oh
User1: Post by non-member to a members-only list
User1: thought I was in there...
User2: ha ha ha
User2: User1 best subscribe to it then :D
User1: just did
User2: :p
User1: and now I'll cancel and send it again :D
User2: :p
User1: there we go
User1: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2016-September/003908.html
User2: \o/
User2: yea - that's what I mean Council AND Tech :p
User1: :D
User2: User1 have a good rest of day and Sunday :)
User1: and now, time to continue with the day
User1: seeya flocculant, bbl
User2: I'll be about off and on if you need anything
User1: great, thanks
User6: flocculant, User1 If there is indeed a difference in behavior between Xubuntu and Studio there, then that'd be the result of the former having been switched to using the systemd user session already.
User2: User6 I knew we'd be able to blame systemd :p
User2: I do like "may negatively impact the other flavors in unique and related circumstances"
User2: so they'd best have a proper look too :p
User2: ok - I'm away with the fairies now for a while
User3: User1 I've not exactly been following entirely.
User2: User3 simply put - there appears to only be an issue when guest logs out - ordinary users can logout and allow locked users to log back in
User3: Okay...
User2: not sure that helps you mich lol
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