User1: User2 once we finish edits, I think I'll close down account creation, you and everyone who has worked on it will still be able to log in, but not new people
User1: getting like 6 spam accounts created per hour, it's meh and moin doesn't have good controls for this
User1: (their response is "It's a wiki!")
User2: yeah
User2: can you moderate account creation?
User1: not without code changes
User1: http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/DisableUserCreation outlines how to do it
User2: fss
User2: i mean moderation as in somebody needs to click a button
User2: :P
User1: I was hoping for that, alas...
User2: ooh! our doc wiki is down!
User2: mr_pouit, what's your schedule today?
User3: User2 not available, it's a good schedule :P
User3: I can upload any last minute change before UIF
User2: mr_pouit, what about the doc looks stuff?
User2: mr_pouit, do you think it's possible to review that quickly and push?
User2: mr_pouit, it's not perfect, but at least it's much better than what we've had before
User2: mr_pouit, if you know at what time you would get to that, i can try to make it better before
User3: I can't upload before 19 my local time anyway
User3: 17 UTC I guess
User2: ok
User2: i'll try to get fixes in by that then
User2: mr_pouit, bug #1043957
User4: Launchpad bug 1043957 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Update documentation looks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043957
User2: bbl, about 19UTC
User3: okay
User5: knome, I tried.  It's at least a little better organized.  http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Troubleshooting
User3: User7 abiword patch is in
User5: :'-) <-- Tears of happiness
User5: uh oh, lightdm is in this apt-get update
User5: (Don't break anything) :)
User2: micahg, what's the status with the indicators?
User6: User2 removed for beta 1
User2: micahg, when are you expecting to get to reupload the gtk2 versions?
User2: is beta 2 realistic?
User6: User2 mr_pouit is handling that, you're CCd on the E-Mail thread, so you should know as much as me at this point :)
User6: yeah, should be
User2: ok, good enough for me. thanks! :)
User5: :(
User5: I miss the indicators already
User2: bluesabre, don't be sad... :)
User2: bluesabre, btw, the messaging indicator is probably not going to make it in Q
User5: User2 And you say don't be sad?
User2: bluesabre, unless you wish to work on it...
User5: D:
User5: That's tempting
User2: well, i can't help it, so i'll try not to be sad. that's just how it is
User5: Because I really like the messaging menu
User2: :)
User2: ask micahg and mr_pouit for details!
User5: So, what's the deadline for that?
User2: or probably just mr_pouit :D
User2: bluesabre, deadline? feature freeze...
User2: bluesabre, but it'd be good to get them to beta 2 with FFe's
User5: ok
User5: User3 Do we have indicator-messages in a branch somewhere?
User2: anybody in the team who has got something new uploaded after alpha 3, please update http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=1413&action=edit
User2: xubuntu-team members should be able to login with ubuntu sso at http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/
User2: if you have problems, be in touch with me
 * knome will now release the edit lock
User5: holy crap, you can integrate wordpress with ubuntu sso!
User2: yes, that's a canonical-provided feature
User2: i heard you can integrate apache with ubuntu sso...
User5: I don't suppose app updates should be included?  (catfish/parole)
User2: well, if they are completely different than in a3, then include them
User5: Cool
User2: we can always drop them from the final notes, if we have too much of them, but i don't think we will :)
User2: bluesabre, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/doclooks-update.png (updated a min ago, so take a look if you saw that url before)
User5: Woohoo, we've made it to the future!
User2: yeah
User5: Looks really good
User2: now we only need to update the content...
User2: thanks :)
 * knome worked about 2h with it today
User5: Impressive
User5: Maybe we should call you knome-shell?
User2: hah :P
 * holstein would totally run knome-shell!
User2: ha
User5: How much work is it to take the wiki-formatted docs and convert back to our offline docs?
User2: i don't know docbook, but i believe it takes a few days
User2: should look at the syntax quickly someday
User2: we have about three weeks to update the doc strings, so now that the doc look is updated, we have again some breathing space with it
User5: Cool
User2: after that, there's two weeks time to translate the docs
User5: I tried to work on the Network Troubleshooting section, but only managed to clean it up a little bit and reorganize
User2: it's a good start
User2: ifconfig? isn't nm able to give connection info too
User2: right-click -> connection info
User5: Ah
User5: So it seems
User5: That's a lot more user-friendly!
 * bluesabre will return to editing
User7: User5 it seems we'd also have to update our icon-theme for the messaging-menu... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/ubuntu-add-new-message-indicator-icons
User5: I saw that
User7: btw, the icons look horrible imo
User5: I agree
User5: We can do better
User5: :D
User7: exactly :)
User7: at least if someone gets it to work
User5: If we have a branch somewhere, I can have a look at it
User7: i don't think we do yet
User7: i'm wondering how mr_pouit works on code, maybe he just pulls it locally and then pushes it when he's done with it
User7: feel free to create at least a private branch in lp
User5: I'm not even sure where to start.  Is it indicator-messages-gtk2 I'm assuming?
User3: re (quickly)
User7: i guess you'd have to look at the changes in the gtk3-version first
User7: oh, there is the man!
User3: User5 you need to take lp:indicator-messages from bzr, the latest branch
User3: they changed the protocol, it's now libmessaging-menu, which uses some gtk3-only functions
User5: So do we need to fork that too or something?
User3: you can try to port it to gtk2 ;>
User5: I might play with that a bit then
User7: User3 so both would have to be ported to gtk2, indicator-messages and the lib?
User3: User2 I'll try to take care of indicator-application and indicator-sound this week-end
User3: User7 it's in the same source
User7: oh ok
User3: lubuntu only uses indicator-application by default, so basically they don't care with the rest
User7: hm, i see
User7: so no support from gilir then...
User3: User7 I usually push branches as soon as possible, unless I did some horrible and unclean and dirty and horrible again hacks ;>
User7: hehe, ok :)
User7: darn, seems i should fix another bug in albatross-gtk2 :/
User5: I'm starting to consider buying that ultra-widescreen laptop
User7: User5 which one?
User3: (I put my hacks at https://lionel.lefolgoc.net/misc/indicators-gtk2/ until i've cleaned that in a branch :P)
User5: I forgot who makes it
User5: But it has a 21:10 ratio I believe
User7: User3 uu, untrusted connection! should i trust it?? (:
User3: remove the 's' :P
User8: hello all
User7: oh right, 's' as in untruSted
User7: ciao pnarciso
User8: italiano :)
User7: you seem to be quite quick from my last bugreport comment in lp to here :)
User8: well, I'm digging testing xubuntu
User7: :)
User8: great work
User7: nice
User7: thanks, user-interface freeze kept us busy the last few days
User7: but since that deadline has passed we can go back to ignoring bugs and bugreports ;)
User8: can you upload that background for the panel
User8: I would like to test it
User7: you mean the one from the screenshot?
User8: Yes, and more if you have
User7: i contacted the author a few times, but he never responded and it was entirely unclear under what license he had published it
User7: (somewhere on deviantart i think)
User7: but someone suggested a new one
User7: i can put it up somewhere for you to test
User8: ok
User7: for private use i can also send you the other one
User8: offcourse
User7: but we won't be able to use that in xubuntu i guess
User8: It was a good idea to disable compositor by deafult, it causes more issues than advantages
User7: User8 http://imagebin.org/226489
User7: User3 did we really disable the compositor by default?
User5: personal branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/indicator-messages/indicator-messages-gtk2
User5: I'll hack on it tonight (possibly) and tomorrow
User7: sounds great!
User3: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/xubuntu-default-settings/quantal/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml#L9
User3: User7 nope, it's still enabled
User7: that's what i thought
User3: (unless something changed in xfwm4)
User7: User8 ^
User9: for some reason indicator-messages fix reminds me about guy who thought about making irc bot with Qt
User3: but the bottom dock-like panel would look ugly with compositing anyway
User8: I'm talking about the decision in one of your meetings
User8: at least for the live cd
User7: User8 afair there was only a discussion, then astraljava should've investigated switching off the compositor just for the live-session
User7: but since that never went down (i guess because RL got in the way) it's still enabled everywhere
User7: User3 not if it had a background-image or something
User3: yeah
User7: but yeah, as long as xfwm4's borders are broken, i'm happy we have some shadow behind windows...
User3: hehe
User3: bbl, maybe
User7: ok, ttyl
User8: I've just put that background image and it looks gooood
User7: screenshot?
User8: http://imagebin.org/226492
User7: yeah, doesn't look bad
User7: there's a bug though with it
User7: not sure why
User7: look at the trash-icon
User7: the lines break before and after
User5: User3 Just to make sure I'm in the right direction, does (gtk_widget_insert_action_group) ring a bell?
User7: (i guess because it's not a launcher but a plugin)
User7: User5 he left at 22:57
User7: (oops, that's in my TZ)
User5: I see that now
User7: :)
User5: But I think that's right
User7: maybe it's worth talking to indicator-devs
User7: not sure they'll be helpful
User5: I'm curious to see how far I get
User5: :D
User7: but we could try to make them feel bad :p
User7: hehe, ok
User8: another fix that landed today was for abiword, rullers aren't black anymore
User7: yes i read
User7: i just fired up my vbox just to test that
User7: but i guess i have to change repos to the main server
User7: fix hasnt landed on my mirror yet
User8: the problem right now is the flashing when scrolling the pages with mouse wheel or scroll bars
User7: User8 btw, do you have a hardware install or are you using virtualisation to test quantal?
User7: meh, i can confirm the flickering with vbox :(
User8: I have both
User7: also: i'm not sure i like the grey background of the rulers
User7: i'd have preferred if they had used the base-color, not the bg-color
User8: well, that's a thing that must be changed in the theme I guess
User7: not sure it can be changed
User7: abiword uses a very very custom widget for the rulers
User7: wow, this time ubuntu's community wallpapers are better than ever before
User5: Yeah, WAYYYYY better than 12.04's wps
User5: btw, the indicator-devs are jerks... using functions that are introduced in gtk 3.6
User5: It will make this a funnnnnnn project
User7: yeah, well in short they don't care about us
User5: I think I'm just going to try to drop the new "essential" stuff into the code for gtk2
User5: and wrestle with it
User7: hmm
User7: what do the new functions do?
User5: They use things that weren't available in gtk2
User5: Like using a menu model
User10: thats like using new stuff to do new stuff, how they dare!
User5: not exactly
User5: the menu model existed in gtk2
User5: but it appears like you couldn't actually use it for a menu
User5: or at least, I haven't figured it out yet
User8: can we expect new changes regarding how menu is displayed? Is this what you are working on?
User7: User8 what do you mean with "how menu is displayed"? what menu?
User2: bluesabre, thanks for picking it up :)
User7: ahoi mighty XPL
User5: knome, no promises
User2: hey ochosi
User5: I'm going to try
User5: really hard
User2: bluesabre, at least you're trying... and seriously man, you have three weeks
User5: but can't guarantee anything
User2: ;)
User5: lol
User8: the subject that bluesabre is talking
User7: User8 we lost the indicators from the panel in 12.10 for now
User7: User8 bluesabre and mr_pouit are working to get them back
User5: My goal is to get them back in at least their previous form
User7: yeah, that would be enough imo
User7: for 13.04 we need an entirely new plan
User7: (prolly involving a gtk3 panel)
User5: Does the panel depend on a lot of xf-stuff, or is it largely gtk2 only?
User7: not sure
User7: i think the main problem are all the plugins and goodies...
User8: Ok, I get it, that why I can't see the mail indicator or gmusic browser
User7: exactly
User8: is this because xfce still haven't migrated to gtk3?
User7: yes
User7: basically
User8: have you tried to contact xfce devs for a workaround
User7: indicators have nothing to do with xfce, they're done by ubuntu
User5: heading out, bbl
User7: we can only hope that the panel will get ported in time for 13.04
User5: seeya guys
User2: whatsoever, yes, we are in constant communication with the xfce devs
User7: User5 k, seeya later
User2: see you bluesabre
User8: with xfce now the default DE in debian, let's hope more ppl join xfce team, it's a great DE but it's lagging behind
User7: well, it has been a very small team pretty much always
User2: ubuntu looks like keeping alternate at least for beta 1, so probably we should too.
User8: in the past week alternate install was the only way to install daily build
User2: i installed with desktop
User8: don't know if those problem were fixed by now
User2: it wasn't today, maybe 2 days ago
User8: xorg 1.13 really messed up
User2: only by one pixel, so not a lot..
User2: ;)
User2: re: alternate, looks like ubuntu is dropping it anyway. stgraber just wants to fix ltsp on alternate before they drop it ;)
User8: and firefox crashed with xorg 1.13
User2: firefox crashes even without xorg :)
User8: about multimedia support for ubuntu, do you have any improvements in mind for parole, or even thinking changing to another video player?
User7: User8 bluesabre and me improved parole quite a bit
User7: User8 have you tried it in 12.10?
User8: I have tried parole and I think it's very weak
User8: bluesabre haven't tried yet
User8: I usually use smplayer, for me the best
User8: forgeat about the bluesabre part, I read wrong :)
User7: :)
User8: parole lacks option to choose what renderer to use
User7: renderer?
User8: gl, vdapu, vv
User8: xv
User7: not a very basic feature tbh
User8: without this options i'm stuck with video tearing
User7: depends, i dunno what gstreamer uses by default
User8: I think is XV
User8: dunno
User7: not sure, we're using a newer version of playbin now
User7: (i mean since parole 0.3.0)
User8: 91.69.162.6
User8: is the latest version in repo
User7: yeah, it's our latest release
User8: using mplayer would be a better option
User8: more versatile and it support a lot of video renderers
User8: I have nvidia and I can use vdpau
User7: mhm
User7: i'm off for tonight, talk to you soon
User8: see ya
User11: so, does the Network Troubleshooting section of the wiki need edits or not?
User1: User11 what name are you using on the wiki?
User1: looks like a JackFromm is actively editing that page
User2: pleia2, bluesabre was on it too :)
User2: but generally, if you think you can improve it..
User2: pleia2, would you like to go through some sections and see if they'd be ready to publish?
User2: pleia2, if yes, make the "checked out" sections with bold
User1: User2 can't right now :(
User1: still working, then have an appointment, then more work, then packing!
User2: pleia2, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/doclooks-update.png
User2: pleia2, you didn't see that yet!
User1: pretty :)
User2: pleia2, yeah, and you know what? it's uploaded
User1: :D
User2: so more breathing space before docstringfreeze.. .)
User2: + another eye
User2: but yeah, ok if you can't
User2: i'll see if i have time for some tomorrow
User8: hey guys
User11: RichDennis
User1: User11 ok, JackFromm's last edit was 5 minutes ago so it looks like he's actively editing that page and it doesn't need attention at this very moment
User11: that's the name I'm using on the wiki
User11: OK. Are there any pages that do need editing?
User11: Or is it all done?
User1: User2 ^^
User1: (I don't know :))
User2: uh
User2: there's something to do yeah
User8: the panel indicators are behaving weird, I just lost my x-chat panel indicator :)
User8: have xubuntu 12.10 entered feature freeze by now ?
User1: yeah, everything did today
User1: you can still submit bugs though, fixes can get in :)
User8: I would like to make a sugestion regarding a keyboard shorcut to enable/disable compositor on the fly
User1: ah, that sort of thing would be better as a suggestion for the next cycle
User12: does anyone need help w/ DocBook editing for the overhaul of the Xubuntu offline documentation?
User8: ahh ok
User8: I come up with a really nice script to do that
User1: User12 we absolutely do! but I think we're not quite ready yet (still have folks working on the rewrite)
User8: and it's very useful
User1: User12 so please stick around, we'll need you :)
User8: if someone need portuguese translations I can help
User1: User8 great, so each cycle we create a planning document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap
User1: when we're creating that, there are posts on the xubuntu-devel mailing list, so I'd suggest signing up for that if you haven't already
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