User1: do-release-upgrade -d don't show quantal what I'm missing?
User1: as ok it was only checking lts ones ...
User1: now I need to poke them again to enable my kernel feature :P
User2: Anyone have a idea on how to do a fresh install while preserving my old encrypted /home ?
User2: User3 np
User3: shadeslayer_ is listening to "Overture" by Daft Punk [TRON: Legacy, 2010] [http://open.spotify.com/track/1wlLWCKOYy3o2GlVR1szY2] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
User4: User2 your e.v. vote is open!
User4: "Harald Sitter (apachelogger) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2013-07-31."  yay he still loves us!
User5: mrgh hrsdhhhjk
User5: damn nvidia
User5: Random logouts :/
User2: User4 \o/
User2: Everyone who is a e.V. member, plz2vote :P
User5: not I said the jussi
User6: here shadeslayer
User2: User6 hi
User6: so ... is weird, I added ppa but not see ppa packages
User2: User6 right, so you wanted KTP packages for precise?
User6: ya
User6: to test 0.4
User2: ok, sec
User2: User6 by any chance, are you Bhargav?
User6: nop
User2: User6 ok, ktp packages are here : https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa
User2: User6 sorry, must have mistaken you for someone else then
User6: hm not on kubuntu backports/
User6: ?
User7: User6 It's not stable so unlikely to be in backports
User2: nope
User7: The point of backports is to make things more stable or more secure
User7: ktp currently does neither
User6: k, so need to fix that article http://www.kubuntu.org/ktp-0.4
 * shadeslayer looks
User2: oh
User2: ktp-filetransfer-handler 2 weeks ago
User2: it's there in kubuntu backports
User2: User6 did you do a sudo apt-get update ?
User6: ah ya
User6: sometimes
User2: User7 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=ktp&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=precise
User2: ~np
User3: shadeslayer_ is listening to "The Grid" by Daft Punk [TRON: Legacy, 2010] [http://open.spotify.com/track/5z9v299A7qXXSk2VY0sUu0] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
User6: ahn with ppa u send me not works too shadeslayer
User7: User2 ha :) How'd that get in? :-D
User2: what
User2: User7 I have no idea tbh :P
User2: Probably because we have it in the quantal archives now
User6: brb
User2: I should get 0.4.1 into archives, will do on Monday after testing
User6: hm but we have 0.4 on telepathy-kde ppa for precise
User6: really don't know why it not show for me
User8: User9 ping
User9: User8 pong
User8: User9 Regarding the IM magic, do you think we can get those changes in Precise or we leave it as it is and make it work perfectly in Quantal?
User9: User8 I'd say let's get quantal fixed and then see.
User9: I think we probably can get precise fixed though.
User8: Ok, did you already do some packaging or I can take a look at that?
User9: Please take a look.
User9: I was mostly trying to understand what needed to be done so far.
User4: User8 what did you work out needed done?
User8: User4 Uh and what are we talking about? IM stuff?
User4: User8 yes
User8: User4 I grabbed the source and took a look
User8: Nothing much, will start doing it.
User9: User4 I think the biggest thing that needs doing it probably integration of IM activation with language selection.
User9: AIUI anyway)
User4: User8 the source of what?
User8: User4 packaging I mean
User4: User8 packaging of what?
User8: kdeplasma-addons
User8: since that's where kimpanel is
User4: User8 but what needs done to it?
User9: It looks like just re-enabling the binary.
User8: Yeah
User4: for ibus?  /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel is already in plasma-widget-kimpanel
User8: User4 New binary from source package plasma-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus
User8: Hmm
User9: Given we've got someone who has got it working and seems to understand it, I'm inclined to pretty much follow their lead.
User8: User4 It seems like the biggest change is the addition on http://paste.kde.org/524564
User8: kimpanel-ibus-panel.desktop
User8: Which gets copied into etc/xdg/autostart/
User8: Probably to ensure it is really running
User4: right
User8: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel doesn't exist in precise
User8: At least not in my install
 * Quintasan is pretty sure he installed kimpanel
User4: and get it installed for the right languages
User4: User8 install quantal if you're working on quantal!  else it might all be wrong
User9: It doesn't exist on precise.
User9: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=precise&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=kimpanel-ibus-panel
User9: It does on quantal.
User8: Then we want that to be fixed in precise
User8: Our kdeplasma-addons branch installs that file
User9: If $SOMEONE would upload an SRU for that, I'll approve/New it.  Needs bug/test case/etc for SRU.
User8: I'm not sure how do we handle that entire magic in the installer but the steps seem to be working
User4: User8 which steps?
User8: User4 The ones  Awashiro sent Scott asked if we want im-switch im-select
User8: However one must ensure ibus is installed before sudo update-alternatives --install /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/en_US xinput-en_US /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/ibus 60
User8: or as Ma suggested we could use im-switch instead
User4: it's always been a mystery why that stuff is needed rather than just a config file setting like everything else
 * Riddell snoozes
User8: http://paste.kde.org/524564 makes sure that kimpanel-ibus backend is started automagically
User8: it integrates very nicely
User2: hmm .. does anyone know how to write/modify help.ubuntu.com pages?
User9: User2 IIRC you need to be an ubuntu-docs member.
User2: alrighty, that would be LittleGirl in our case
User9: User8 One of the steps was adding the widget to the panel, wasn't it?  We can do that with javscript if we need to.
User9: User2 I think I recall Riddell saying something about her being on VAC for awhile.
User8: User9 Yes, we can, the question is do we want to add that by default for every install
User2: ok
User8: Or can we somehow make it if'able basing on locale?
User2: it can wait, as long as it gets released along with Quantal
User9: User8 i don't think we have to.  I think we can do it in the language selector somehow.
User8: User9 Okay.
User9: Or kimpanel can ship the javascript snippet.
User9: I think it's safe to assume that if someone installs it, they want it to work.
User8: User9 The trick to this stuff is finding ibus engines for each language
User8: for ex. Anthy is for Japanese
User9: Right.
User8: and then using the im-switch to force ibus
User9: There's two bits I think.
User9: One is getting it into the panel on install.
User9: We can do that with js.
User9: (similar to how was have a different panel layout for plasma-netbook)
User9: Two is getting it activated correctly.
User8: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel -i ?
User9: That's per-language so would have to be done in the language selector.
User8: User9 Ah yeah, I forgot that I added Anthy manually using ibus-setup
User8: hmm
User8: no idea if we can somehow stick a input method to ibus without nagging the user to do it himself
User9: For part one, I'm thinking about /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/layout-templates/org.kde.plasma-netbook.defaultPanel/contents/layout.js as an example.
User9: (kubuntu-netbook-default-settings)
User8: User9 But that's the easiest part :P Did you try those steps that Awashiro sent?
User9: No.  I told you I hadn't done anything but think about it.
User8: Oh, ok, look then
User8: 4. ibus-setup
User8: 5. Open [Input Method] tab, and check [Customize activate input methods] on
User8: 6. Click [Select an input methods]-[Japanese]-[Anthy]
User8: 7. Click [add]
User8: You gotta do some clicking to do enable Anthy for example
User8: This would have to be done with every language
User8: s/language/input method
User8: The question is how do we handle that
User9: If we could get to step 5 automatically and the user had to click 5 - 7 by hand, that would still be a huge step forward.
User8: ibus-setup is gui only
User8: Oh, okay
User8: User9 That stuff needs to be done in language-selector?
User9: That's my guess, but it is a guess.
User8: Okay, I noted down the gist of what we want to get done and will look at it tomorrow
User9: Great.  You might reply to the mail saying you're working on it.
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