User1: Kain, ok, done
User1: I'm looking at my Q1 ultra on the back and don't see 110 or a100
User2: do you know the processors speed?
User2: the a100 is 600 the a110 is 800
User3: cat /proc/cpuinfo?
User1: yeah
User1: 800
User2: What price point is yours
User2: 800? or 1100?
User1: good question.  my hard earned dollars didn't buy it.  let me ask
User2: lol good stuff
User2: Yea all the major US providers are saying it has an a110 tho the documentation says different
User2: bspencer, by the way thanks
User1: np
User2: Q1UAY01 is the 800/900 dollar price point model, the documentation claims it has a a100. The sites that are selling it are saying an 800mhz a110. I wonder if they pulled a mid release upgrade and eliminated the a100 model
User1: yeah, I see that on Amazon.com
User1: my specs are A110, 800Mhz, 60GB drive.
User1: Intel got a bundle deal cause we got 10 or something, not sure.  I couldn't find the price so i can't compare. :-\
User2: Ah ok
User1: on amazon I see a 40gb for $935 and 60gb for $1200.  both claim a110/800Mhz.
User2: thats the one with the cam
User1: good luck
User2: bummer, thanks
User1: mine has a cam
User1: era
User2: DO you like the q1 ultra?
User1: the screen is bright and clear
User2: Awesome
User1: I haven't typed a lot with it to get familiar with the keyboard
User3: User2 it depends on what you want to use it for.
User1: I don't like the mouse
User1: the mouse is on the left thumb which isn't very adept at moving things around
User2: Yea I want it as a media device or a browser
User2: I'd be using the sylus i guess
User3: the keyboard is just a tiny bit too little, the mouse is fairly crap, but the touchscreen works well.
User3: it's really just a small laptop sans a useful keyboard and with touchscreen
User2: Yea
User2: I doubt I will be typing with it
User2: other then web addresses and logins. I really hope UbuntuMobile comes out well. It will make not using the mouse alot nicer.
User3: we might be able to get a good onscreen keyboard working for it, but I wouldn't hold my breath, most of the on-screen keyboards I've used have only been ok-ish
User1: Kain, at the current stage don't get too excited about the UI on the Samsung.
User1: in Linux
User2: I know
User1: ok.  Just want to set expectations that it is a work in progress.
User2: The mockups are nice but I assume they are far away
User1: things wiggle, but it isn't joy
User1: yet!
User3: mockups are mockups. :-)
User2: Yes they are.
User2: Maemo is enjoyable tho
* Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mobile.log
User4: /msg NickServ IDENTIFY sayyou
User2: Ugh, how can I set the Xephyr display in the command line?
User2: Ok anyone know how to startx before I run start-hildon?
User5: User6 do you have any experience with the python loader for the hildon desktop?
User6: what kind of experience?
User6: if created some simple apps
User5: I downloaded the loader and built it -- but
User5: I can not get it to load a home applet written in python
User6: what are you calling the loader.... the python bindings?
User5: I am talking about this https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/maemo-af-desktop/python-hildondesktop/
User5: This project allows home applets to be written in python
User6: mfrey, no, i have not tried this
User5: ok
User6: what do you see... does it crash or just not show the applet?
User5: When I try to set the home applet in the config file to be of type python and list the python code it complains about not being able to find it
User6: mfrey, yea, enabling python home applets is in the plan... but i think you are the first to try
User5: rusty -- ok I will cmorton@example.net.  I think I am close
User6: cool
User7: So what's the details behind the tools being created?  What languages and APIs would one want to start looking at?
User3: you will be able to develop in various languages, at least python, C, C++, hopefully java and flash at some point.
User3: you want to look at hildon and gtk+ as the UI toolkit.
User7: I've always been interested in GTK.  I'm mostly a web programmer with Java/.NET skills.=
User7: Any good books to reccomend a migration?
User7: Also, are there any sites for hildon?  It's a bit of an ambiguous name.
User3: http://maemo.org/development/ might be useful for you
User8: I think my pidgin went nuts. I just can't login at freenode with it.
User8: I'm using bitchx now and it's fine
User8: Weird...
User7: I can't wait to see the tools and simulation environments streamlined and made accessible via Ubuntu.  That just really puts everything at the tip of your fingers :)
User7: Certainly makes learning easier.
User8: Found the problem: the crypto plugin for pidgin, for some reason prevented me to login to freenode.
User8: User6 Hi Rusty. I'm preparing a document about the image builder based on my tests and this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ImageCreation. Do you have any outstanding changes on it that differ from the spec I must be aware of?
User6: oh... yea, that wiki needs updating
User6: at the very least the launching script changed names
User6: let me look at at
User3: User8 I've talked with Ross today and he showed me the pimlico apps; they look very much like what we'll want so please update the user applications to note that.
User8: User3 Hi. I've made a note on it already thius mornign and it is on my todo list to check it out.
User3: User8 there's no need to check it out, I have had it demoed cmorton@example.net.
User8: User3 I understand that but I want to see it for myself if you don't mind.
User8: User3 or do you think it fits so well over GPE for instance that I can just put this on?
User3: GPE does not have a hildon port, does it?
User8: User3 No, it does not.
User3: well, that pretty much settles it, IMO. :-)
User3: we need hildon apps
User3: and not having to port apps is good
User8: User3 I agree with you. I just wanted to weight the benefits. Does it have sync? Maybe bind for syncml?
User3: it uses EDS, so any sync solution which knows about EDS can be used
User8: User3 BTW, I tought Pimlico was only partially ported for Maemo.
User8: User3 If it is all there so indeed it's hard to beat.
User3: two of three apps are ported, the last one is undergoing a rewrite which will be followed by a port.
User3: for tasks, the port took a whopping two hours.
User6: agoliveira, i updated the wiki
User8: User6 Thanks.
* Mithrandir wanders off
User8: User3 That's really cool.
User9: agoliveira, i'd like to suggest an e-book reader for your list :)
* MishaS . o O (too late, it's already there)
User9: sorry for the noise
User8: User9 No problem. It would be good to have a contender for fbreader tough
User9: agoliveira, i'd probably not suggest anything as i'm one of its authors :)
User8: User9 Hmmm... that's a fairly good reason :-D
User8: User9 Anyway, congrats!
User9: agoliveira, thank you :)
User9: agoliveira, btw, i'm looking at the page and it starts with 2nd level headers, any particular reason for that?  1st level headers look better for me if you add a TOC
* MishaS plays with a slight re-formatting right now and is not sure whether such a change would be welcome.
User8: User9 I guess I took a template to do it but it might be also just a mistake.
User9: agoliveira, if you don't mind i'll put a new version and if does not look nice, i'll put the old one back :)
User9: agoliveira, or actually i'd rather add TOC first...
User8: User9 bemy guest ;)
User8: s/bemy be my
* MishaS will do a bit of formatting for easier navigation.
User9: agoliveira, have a look.  it now has a rather useful TOC
User8: User9 Looks nice to me. Thanks.
User9: good
User8: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/
User8: User6 Did you remove the start-hildon-desktop script from the hildon-desktop package?
User6: me... no... bspencer, did you?
User1: agoliveira, I didn't remove anything from bazaar code
User1: if that's what you are asking
User8: Hmmm... weird
User1: but I wasn't sure what happened to hildon-desktop during the sprint
User6: agoliveira, but... is this something you added directly to the bzr repo?
User6: our changes were based off the svn repository
User6: bspencer, isn't that right?
User8: rusty, it was added some time ago by Tollef. I supposed that he removed by accident with the merge.
User1: agoliveira, that could be.  I think Mithrandir might have done a quick updtae to push our hildon-desktop into bazaar
User8: rusty, or you did as the 2 last commits were yours ;)
User1: sorry if that's the case
User6: any kernel guys listening?
User6: Mithrandir, image creation is breaking for people since we are attempting to install linux-generic, but that meta package is not available in the Gusty repository right now
User6: kylem, you listening by chance?
User10: aye, i'm here.
User6: kylem, i noticed that there is no linux-generic in gutsy
User10: lemme take a look, one sec.
User10: er. seems to be there.
User6: really?
User6: in which repository?
User10: ~$ apt-cache madison linux-generic
User10: linux-generic | 91.69.162.6.8 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages
User10: linux-meta | 91.69.162.6.8 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources
User10: oh.
User10: er. wtf.
User10: ah. right. because they depend on l-r-m, they have to be in restricted (otherwise if you didn't have restricted, they'd be uninstallable anyway)
User6: ok... yea, i see now
User11: Is Tollef around - anyone know?  Not sure what time it is where he is at.
User8: User11 cmorton@example.net.
User8: User11 and I guess it's be around
User8: User11 Sorry
User8: User11 I mean it's around 8:41 PM there I guess.
User8: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Category:Moblins
User8: Read and laugh... or weep :)
User8: rusty, I hate to say it but a lot of changes we have made on hildon-desktop was lost when you uploaded the revision 238 :(
User8: /s/was/were
User8: rusty, bspencer, I need some quick explanations here.
User1: agoliveira, shoot
* Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mobile.log
(bspencer/#ubuntu-mobile) agoliveira, one file down (start-hildon added and pushed)
(bspencer/#ubuntu-mobile) agoliveira, working on rules...
User1: agoliveira, oh, that was too easy.  Sorry I was confused
User1: git clone rsync://moblin.org/repos/projects/hildon-desktop.git
User1: let me know if I should change
User8: User1 Looks ok.
User1: agoliveira, ok.  I'm glad I cmorton@example.net.  I'll change a couple things in our script.
User1: agoliveira, this assumes that hildon-theme-mobile-basic package is in Ubuntu repo
User1: agoliveira, do you know if that is the case?
User8: Let me check
User1: if not, then you can change the theme back to "plankton"
User1: (hildon-theme-plankton)
User8: bspencer, we have plankton only
User8: User1 What do you prefer?
User8: I'll pause for a few minutes (wife complains that my day is over :) ) to a coffee and be back to close this issue.
* agoliveira is back
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