User1: more idiots tonight
User1: :D
User1: time to leave the trolls to it i think, later folks o/
User2: good morning to all
User2: hey TJ-
User2: i hope more barebone companys will rise up
User2: so winblows wont be attached to hardware
User2: those clevo machines are nice, msi also
User2: yeah the sheep are so easy
User2: i wonder why companys dont bet on more horses then MS?
User2: its a good thing your hardware is wanted for multiple Os right?
User2: lol
User2: i think users are trapped in 'a safe feeling' of the known
User2: why goto another Os when you feel safe inside the windows
User2: its like tradition right
User2: a fake safe feeling of the known
User2: but then you need to know someone who can support you, most users only find the start button
User3: can't figure out my partitioning problem :(
User2: User3 whats up mate
User3: I have an external drive, 3TB Seagate. The SATA->USB bit on the bottom broke and can no longer access the drive with USB. I plugged it into SATA and was able to access it, but the partitions are screwed up. Testdisk finds an "Intel" MBR, as opposed to GPT, and so the partition it can recover is limited to 2.2TB of the 3TB. How can I fix this?
User3: :D
User2: User3 can you get further with photorec?
User3: well the data all seems to be intact
User3: even finds the partition and I can browse it and everything
User3: TJ-: boo, i was hoping not that
User3: seagate?
User3: hmm.... so how to fix
User3: http://sprunge.us/jiVP
User3: you can see the 2.2TB it found
User3: one
User3: bah, living room computer turned off
User3: hardly use it, so i have the power saving set to maximum
User3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13489742/
User3: ?
User3: i'm not sure gpt exists at all on this
User3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13489753/
User3: why is it the same data?
User3: no output
User3: /dev/loop1: LABEL="nessie" UUID="4d2222f6-3b59-4177-a586-2911d65a6ec1" TYPE="ext4"
User3: yep
User3: thats annoying
User3: yeah i think thats what happened here
User3: which is disappointing for a usb3.0 drive
User3: think it could handle it
User3: i guess my next drives are internal, and I'll use some old box as NAS
User3: so if i get seagate to send me a new usb part, and i run testdisk again, it'll find all 3TB?
User3: honestly, the drive kind of sucks
User3: the sata ports are too recessed, had to trim a cable to get it to fit
User3: don't have a esata cable i'm willing to sacrifice for this
User2: TJ-: is there pcie card to esata to use it internal?
User3: loop1    7:1    0   2.7T  0 loop
User3: :o it is all there
User3: /dev/loop1      2.7T  2.6T   17G 100% /mnt
User3: :D
User2: wb seagate :p
User3: i'll see if seagate wants to send me new bits
User3: don't have a free sata on this computer to use
User3: oh, i think thats because of testdisk
User3: it originally had one partiton, around 340GB, unknown filesystem
User3: yeah
User3: it showed the partition, how many sectors, etc
User3: i did the math and it was the full 3TB, but I forgot about the MBR
User3: so it wrote 2.2TB :|
User3: uh... nope :S
User3: yeah, i messed up
User3: i was just thinking, well it won't delete anything
User3: i don't think that'd work
User3: i bet the 340GB partition was the whole thing
User3: and with whatever seagate's sata-usb thing does it works out
User3: well... usb thing is alive
User3: [423695.404476] sde: p1 size 34359738360 extends beyond EOD, truncated
User3: doesn't seem like its letting me write to the disk
User3: Partition: Write Error (from testdisk)
User2: cant you scan the whole hd with photorec and recover the data?
User3: User2 yes, but the filesystem and everything is fine
User2: ah kk
User2: good job
User3: don't really use fdisk a lot
User3: TJ-: delete partition, create partition?
User3: start is at 256 now
User3: uh.... sectors?
User3: ooh maybe it does need to be 2048 still
User3: using your loop trick, shows up 2048*512
User3: First sector (256-732566644, default 256):
User3: oh duh, thats why 2048*512 worked still... because that doesn't care about sectors
User3: created partition, wrote to disk, no error, mounted partition
User3: well its /dev/sde1 over here, but yep :D
User3: thanks
User3: dunno how the usb part came back to life
User3: tried it days later and it still didn't work, now it does
User3: so I should still see if it's under warranty
User2: lol
User3: i'll try not to write too hard to it anymore
User2: i also have a 1TB seagate with double usb ports cable, works like a charm
User3: double usb ports?
User2: yeah to give it enough power
User2: its from few years ago
User2: now its all 1 usb cable
User2: mine is still split
User2: hi cfhowlett :p
User2: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/dell-apologizes-for-https-certificate-fiasco-provides-removal-tool/
User2: a lot of big companys apologiys recently :p
User3: maybe they shouldn't pull dumb crap like that
User2: yeah indeed
User2: MS forced updates, VW cheating system,...
User2: its all going bad :p
User2: TJ-: you remember how many devs worked on windows7
User2: and after a year MS sacced them all
User2: TJ-: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-08/microsoft-fires-7800-second-biggest-mass-layoff-its-history
User3: Microsoft also announced the reduction of up to 7,800 positions, primarily in the phone business
User3: yeah, not windows
User4: no surprise.  hard to get transaction against iPhone
User3: iphone?
User3: you mean android
User4: both
User3: 82.8% android
User3: 13.9% ios
User3: 2.6% windows
User4: eh?  that's seems rather high.  source for the stats?
User3: thought it'd be lower actually
User3: thats units shipped 2015 q2
User4: says who?
User3: http://www.idc.com/tracker/showproductinfo.jsp?prod_id=37
User3: microsoft was in the business of destroying competition
User4: was?
User3: User4 well they don't seem to be doing it like they were before
User4: and for all that, their phone division is failing.
User3: the only reason people use windows is because its what most people use
User2: true
User3: they're not used to people having choice
User3: some people still imagine linux being like the lines of code in the matrix
User2: lol
User3: i like how they don't even push patches until a certain day
User2: neo took over my computer
User3: eh whatever, stay vulnerable till next patch wednesday
User2: haha
User3: windows 10 is increasingly scary sounding, so thats good for linux
User2: i agree on that Ben64
User2: will be good for my ubuntu shop :p
User3: you have an ubuntu shop?
User4: windows has been scary for YEARS and linux is still stickied at ... what?  2 - 4% market penetration?  Hell, even OSX has more than that.
User3: its scaring more normal people now
User2: User3 not yet, next year ill start
User3: forced updates, privacy stuff spelled out
User2: User3 ubuntu + ssd + tweaked
User3: selling ubuntu computers?
User2: yes also
User2: and phones and tablets
User3: do you need to do anything with canonical
User2: ill contact them before i start to ask that
User3: not sure the licensing stuff for ubuntu
User2: but ubuntu is free right
User3: "Ubuntu" isn't free
User3: Ubuntu is free
User3: If I'm remembering properly
User2: you mean the name mentioning on someone elses website then
User3: I think its like the iceweasel thing
User2: i could also mention 'a linux distro'
User2: User3 well, you know system76, ill do a bit liek them
User2: User3
User2: https://system76.com/
User3: or just ask permission
User2: yes i will contact them
User3: "To use the Ubuntu trademark, you must secure the Canonical's OEM services team's permission. You can contact them to see if what you're doing is okay. This should not be too difficult, as several small vendors like System76 and ZaReason have secured an agreement."
User3: Sounds pretty easy
User2: yeah
User2: User3 https://system76.com/disclaimer
User2: last 3 lines
User2: hey EriC^^
User2: oh nothing much, easy chatting here this morning with the lads here :p
User2: EriC^^: Ben64 suggested me to contact canonical for my shop and i found this: https://system76.com/disclaimer
User2: EriC^^: i also have to mention ubuntu's logo etc trademark
User2: yeah
User5: HI folks
User2: hey BluesKaj
User5: hi lotuspsychje
User2: User5 you said yesterday something about nvidia depraced?
User2: nouveau or current?
User5: no more nvidia-current
User2: User5 whats the replacement for it?
User2: or do users need to specifi nvidia-340 etc
User5: if one tries to install the driver using nvidia-current, it fails
User5: yes, specific afaik
User2: any reason?
User5: dunno
User2: User5 ok tnx
User5: the last nvidia-current was the 304 driver
User2: !info nvidia-current
User5: which is was used on 13.10 iiirc
User6: nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-304): Transitional package for nvidia-current. In component restricted, is optional. Version 304.131-0ubuntu91.69.162.6 (vivid), package size 4 kB, installed size 36 kB (Only available for i386; amd64)
User2: right
User2: !info nvidia-current xenial
User6: nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-304): Transitional package for nvidia-current. In component restricted, is optional. Version 304.131-0ubuntu2 (xenial), package size 4 kB, installed size 19 kB (Only available for i386; amd64)
User5: so the 304 driver is the last nvidia-current
User2: User5 so users think they gonna get latest and get the 304
User5: yup
User2: devs know about this?
User2: lemme go ask in devel
User5: dunno , never seen it discussed on #kubuntu-devel, but maybe the devs at #ubuntu-devel have an answer
User2: User5  is nvidia-current going to be depraced?
User2: shows still nvidia-graphics-drivers-304
User2: <tjaalton> it's already deprecated, as it's just a transitional package
User5: ok
User5: thanks
User2: User5 it will vanish after 304 is dead
User5: makes sense
User2: User5 and additional drivers section now manages right driver for the system
User5: yeah in kubuntu it's the driver manager
User2: good to know
User5: yeah, it's important
User2: his pc might have autorun worm and error on the stick TJ-
User2: oh
User2: cant recall that nick
User2: right
User2: thats not the same as that pikachu guy that gave false advise?
User2: TJ-: the on you tought to have asperger lol
User2: looool
User2: TJ-: but ikonia banned that guy
User2: i was there
User2: doesnt make sense, that guy gave false advise was more agressive to other users
User2: lol soon we are investigators instead of volunteers :p
User2: lol
 * TJ- is rolling eyes like bowling balls :)
User2: hehe
User2: someone has a mental disease :p
User2: true
User2: thats why support is so hard
User2: never know what the user did really
User2: yeah
User2: TJ-: bt you did a great job on my ralink remote :p
User2: lol
User2: stay off the dog food :p
User2: ralink 2800pci
User2: yep
User2: yeah linksys as main :p
User2: TJ-: yeah youre a very practical thinker and i like that
User2: bbl driving lessons
User1: on macs it's fine to just install grub to the partition that ubuntu is on; then suggest installing rEFInd as a boot loader
User1: amusingly i'm attempting to fix a boot issue on my old HTPC today :D
User1: a dist-upgrade murdered a 14.04 install o0 it claims it can't find a UUID at boot but they're all correct, very odd indeed
User1: anywho i'm not gonna give up just yet, giving it a look over now via chroot :)
User1: oh the mac thing was just a delayed comment to EriC^^ - i was scrolled up a bit by accident
User1: my one is a standard PC
User1: EriC^^: yeah that seems like the ticket now, i had some udevadm errors - wireless keyboard wouldn't call up GRUB so i'm going to do it from live session again :>
User1: Bashing-om: sounds good indeed, i don't really know where to start with boot most of the time
User1: and i don't know about you guys but i found those boot repair logs a nightmare to read =|
User1: cat trying to sneak on my lap whilst i'm busy D:
User1: ah, i love the native resolution boot logo up on my large TV... shame the nvidia proprietary drivers ruin that
User1: not half as much as i love the native resolution TTYs mind ;)
User1: ok that's mine all fixed ^_^
User1: >_<!
User1: why are we even moving to GCC 5 when it seems to have screwed over so many things?
User1: ah just painful to get there :>
User1: oh ok sort of like when things become deprecated?
User1: ah har
User1: oh btw guys i read AMD have moved a lot more graphics cards to legacy status now, including some APUs
User1: this is mostly for the Windows drivers but i'm sure that'll trickle down into the Linux driver(s) at some point too
User1: http://anandtech.com/show/9815/amd-moves-pre-gcn-gpus-to-legacy
User1: here's more
User1: so before it was up to and including HD 4000 that was useless on anything newer than 12.04.1; now HD 5000, HD 6000, HD 7000 and HD 7600 are gone
User1: also pre-Kaveri APUs
User7: oink
User1: o/
User1: that the embedded one again?
User1: :D
User1: easily remedied?
User1: \o/
User1: oof those little things :)
User1: :D
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