User1: Hmm, i'm sure this isn't correct... I'm getting massive lag between damage and redraw...
User2: Massive, as inâ¦?
User1: as in a noticable proportion of a second
User1: wasn't getting it in Lucid
User1: actually, I have to say, everything feel a bit "jerkier" in the whole of Maverick, not sure what significant things have changed...
User1: (I don't mean graphics performance, i mean random mega IO waits/deadlocks)
User2: Are you playing with btrfs?
User1: nope
User1: ext4
User1: Also, Xft's font rendering really isn't ready for a font like Ubuntu
User1: It renders like crap at pretty much any setting
User1: (And i still don't get why ubuntu ships with "slight" hinting by default)
User2: Neither do I; none FTW!
User1: it's a shame, because it's a nice font
User1: none?
User1: I use full
User2: (This is one reason why âslightâ is the default :))
User1: Full hinting + DejaVu Sans + switching font DPI to 75 = small and readable
User1: if you have a sharp LCD display anyway
User1: http://www.alanbriolat.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/screenshot_002.png
User1: as an example
User2: Yeah; I find that looks annoyingly pixel-gridded.
User1: The problem is that there is a massive gulf between 1:1 pixel mapping where things look sharp, and large-enough-that-you-can-see-the-shape
User1: and in that gulf everything looks either deformed or blurry
User2: Whereas I like: http://cooperteam.net/Screenshot.png
User1: but it's so fuzzy!
User1: Then again, it's also very DPI-dependenty
User1: that looks fuzzy on a 24" 1920x1200 monitor
User2: Yeah.  My primary display is ~140 DPI
User1: yeah, DPI is always much more preferable to hinting
User1: You can get away without hinting at that kind of resolution
User1: but on a 96-DPI monitor, it looks fuzzy as hell
User1: what is that, 12" laptop with an external monitor?
User2: Yup.
User1: 1366x768?
User2: 1440x900
User1: ooh
User2: x200s FTW!
User1: yeah
User1: damn them
User1: the new X200 has 1440x900?
User1: same for the tablet or not?
User1: (I have a X200t)
User2: I don't know; this laptop is a yearish old and things have changed.
User1: In fact, as you might have seen, i spent today hacking tablet swivel support...
User1: so is mine
User1: yeah, i hate that nobody really makes things with enough resolution
User2: Oh, cool.  Playing with the xrandr input transformation matrix?
User2: I'm lusting after the Sony laptop with a 13" 1920x1080 displayâ¦ that looks good. :)
User1: yeah
User1: I hate all these 15.4" laptops with 1366x768 screens
User1: oh well...
User1: But yeah, i'd agree that I'm finding the ubuntu font a lot more bearable with less hinting on my laptop than i find it on my desktop at any setting...
User1: User2 not doing anything too complex, just calls to xrandr and xsetwacom, apart from the fact i need to run something inside the X session to do it now...
User1: so i've got a dbus listener doing that stuff
User2: Funky!
User1: http://github.com/alanbriolat/tabletswivel
User1: probably a terrible use of the dbus API, but it works
User1: Which is an improvement over Lucid
User1: where xsetwacom would cause the wacom driver to segfault, killing X
User2: Yay! :X
User3: that sounds broken
User1: very much is
User1: However my bug report has been ignored...
User1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/575066
User4: Launchpad bug 575066 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in XIChangeDeviceProperty() (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [Medium,Confirmed]
User1: also got another terrible bug in Lucid that i should report
User1: it's not X related though
User1: (mounting remote filesystems with cifs + copying large files corrupts the copies, using smbclient doesn't)
User5: mornin folks
User5: having some trouble with xorg-edgers repo. I installed 10.10 fresh, installed xorg-edgers and everything looked great
User5: Even installed a kernel, I was thrilled
User5: rebooted and checked glxinfo, showed gallium everything yes
User5: so I figured forget it and wait for updates
User5: but then I was helping someone else install xorg-edgers and I started referring to my own system
User5: and i noticed, xorg-edgers was nowhere to be found in sources.list
User5: there's no ppa-purge app anywhere to be found either
User5: then I rerun 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' and it exits without any error but no packages upgraded
User5: Then I checked /boot, and there is no 2.6.36* kernel!
User5: uname says I'm still on 2.6.35
User5: So how is ppa-purge and 2.6.36 get mystically removed?
User6: what is my problem when the x-server hangs from time to time
User6: when i kill it with sysrq-k i can see on the consolel: [nouveau] gpu lockup - switching to software fbcon
User7: Sarvatt or User2 Would one of you please have a look at bug 651294?  It's currently assigned to -intel, but now someone with ATI says they have the same problem, so either it's not an -intel problem or he's got something different.
User4: Launchpad bug 651294 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really) (affects: 5) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294
User8: uh-oh, i forgot to run ppa-purge on xorg-edgers again
 * soreau ppa-purges hyperair
User8: haha
User8: User5 my karmic to lucid upgrade required manual cleanup due to xorg-edgers.
User5: User8 You are ppa-purged
User5: also, you did it wrong
User5: ;)
 * hyperair wonders if soreau has seen the "!wrong" pictures in ##c++
User8: the multitude of "you're doing it wrong" pictures which really cracked me up
User5: hehe
User5: Ive seen a handful of those
User8: heheh
User8: there are 20 or so on nolyc =p
 * soreau looks
User8: /msg nolyc !wrong
User8: just tweak the number at the end of the url
User5: If you cant figure that out..
User5: Youre doing it wrong
User8: hehe
User5: Its probably a tossup between http://adrinael.net/wrong5 and http://adrinael.net/wrong15
User2: User6 That's nouveau locking up your GPU (which is why X hangs) but miraculously managing to keep the framebuffer in memory, so the VT works.
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