User1: I'm creating a usb boot stick for ubuntu mate, will it be for booting within windows or booting before windows loads? Also can someone link me to a guide for a Windows user?
User2: hi
User1: i found a PCWorld guide  but I'mnot sure ifits the best option ornot
User2: is there a way to prevent the menu from showing on the left screen, but instead show on the primary http://i.imgur.com/dS3wwWA.jpg
User3: User1 If you want to boot it from your computer hardware, it will load from the BIOS
User3: You can use a VM if you want to run it within Windows, but I'd only do that for testing it out
User1: Ahokay, Iknew about VM just not about boot disks
User4: Hello there
User4: faq
User5: wwhat
User6: does that actually work? the thing uczen tried
User6: !faq
User7: A list of common questions and answers about Ubuntu: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions - Official documentation: http://help.ubuntu.com
User8: Winpy you cleared https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1622257 as -done?
User7: Launchpad bug 1622257 in ubuntu-mate "unattended-upgrades is missing from the ubuntu-mate-desktop meta package" [High,Triaged]
User8: flexiondotorg *
User8: ^
User8: I think this should not be pushed to users
User9: Because?
User8: This has the potential to introduce instability
User9: How?
User8: As in, auto update, during package install phase power off, then when user power up in the morning sys is trashed
User8: But then again
User8: I'm not sure it would happen like that, I don't know the exact update process
User8: Also it will make this setting the new default, auto-download-install, and therefore it takes control away from the user
User9: unattended-updates is in all flavours.
User10: ouroumov_, it simply aids the user to keep their system updated without further actions which can be quite technical
User8: Yes but there's a massive backslash agains W10 and auto-updates atm
User8: Sometimes even if it's more secure you don't want to update, period
User9: It is an essential component that was missing from Ubuntu MATE <= 16.04 due the fact we couldn't follow-recommends
User9: ouroumov, I has to be included.
User9: It is an oversight that must be corrected :-)
User8: I see your point, but then I think at least an announcement is required
User10: ouroumov_, if so the user can disable it if needed, but the option should be available
User9: In >= 16.10 this oversight is not present because I added MATE "awareness" to a number of package so the ubuntu-mate meta-packages can now automcailly follow recommends.
User8: ricotz, I have nothing against the option being available, problem is the fix will make it the default
User8: And silently too
User9: ouroumov, You concern is duely noted, but this is not a cause of concern for me.
User8: flexiondotorg, okay
User9: What is a cause for concern is that user are not being made aware of critical security updates.
User6: ooh, is this ask the dev(s) random questions time? I was wondering if we could see the software boutique in mint-mate in the future
User10: this seems to be still the ubuntu-mate channel ;)
User8: No flexiondotorg, the users are being made aware of the update by default, they just have to manually trigger download/update
User8: Anyway, this is not a good situation. There's no option but to make a choice, and both choices have drawbacks.
User6: ah, I thought maybe all the MATE's were from one group, my bad
User11: flexiondotorg, attempting to clarify here, sorry. Before (Default): Daily check for updates, when security updates are in there, they show up as such in the updater. (This has been default behavior since Xenial release, I've seen a lot of security updates.) --- When the SRU rolls: security updates probably won't show anymore but will be automatically installed.
User11: Also, since it took so long for us to become aware of this bug, I'm ready to wager there's a small percentage of UM users who actually ever touch the "Software & Update" settings, and probably even less who have ever tried to set it to autodownload/install.
User12: hi
User13: I wonder if anyone can help/ I'm on 16.04.x (updated to latest updates), since Tuesday I'm having trouble with internet speed on my desktop, doesn't happen with both my tablets. is there a way to reset my internet config on 16.04
User13: did run thru my isp and they see no problem on the connection
User8: hi te_lanus
User8: te_lanus, some network driver have power saving modes
User8: identify the driver using: lshw -C net
User8: then check the options using: modinfo <drivername>
User1: I made a boot DVD for Ubuntu MATE but I cant get my laptop to boot from it
User1: I burned the ISO to DVD with more than 1.5gb daniel01@example.com speed (the lowest option)
User1: I opened up BIOS settings and made the DVD priority 1 for boot and my harddrive priority 2
User1: Is there a problem with my CD/DVD drive? Is that whatthismeans?
User8: hi newmate
User1: hey
User8: newmate, what tool did you use to burn the dvd?
User8: Actually nevermind
User1: I'm inWindows 7, and just used the burn option that is built into it
User8: newmate, why don't you use a bootable USB instead?
User1: Only reason is thatI thought the DVD option would be easier (since w7 has a built in tool for it)
User8: Okay
User8: Have you killed "Secure Boot" and stuff like that in the BIOS?
User1: No, the only setting I touched was the boot priority order
User8: Check and see if your BIOS have a "Boot Override" option, as in, without changing the boot order, manually pick the drive to boot
User1: dontsee one, and dont seea secure boot option either
User8: Hm
User8: Well, my recommendation is to try and burn an USB stick.
User1: okay,I will do that
User1: is rufus still a good option for boot drives?
User14: hello!!!!!
User8: hi Linuxxx
User8: newmate, there's instructions on the website for burning USB sticks
User1: k
User14: any guy connected?
User14: helloooo
User15: 93 people in room?
User16: yeah. no one's connected
User8: Linuxxx, can we help you with something?
User14: i just need how to activate office 2010 lool
User17: why?
User17: libreoffice should be everything you need
User14: yes but i started school a week ago
User14: and i don't have time to learn about libre office
User14: Ubuntu MAte 16.04
User14: what about you?
User14: i go to high school man haha
User14: i only do like basic things or essay
User14: yeah, thanks
User18: greetings all... is 16.10 a big deal for some reason to IBM chip users?
User18: checking to make sure that the beta iso's downloaded and were shared last night... saw they were downloaded 3x as much as the other two combined
User8: IBM makes chips?
User18: Sorry, Motorola
User8: That's even more confusing
User18: those Power8 CPU?
User18: the 3rd version of UM to come out?
User8: Are those x86?
User18: the non-x86 ones
User18: er one
User18: damn, sorry brain issues atm, the PowerPC iso
User18: don't own any hardware, but i do host it
User18: don't follow PPC bug tracker so why in 8 hours did i upload 20GB of it
User16: I think it may have to do with the PPC being first supported on 16.10
User8: Monery, and you're saying the ppc iso is getting more downloads?
User18: sorry ouroumov_, on pain meds at the time let me stop trying to be clever...
User8: Monery, no problem, take it easy
User16: before it was a payed support from canonical. now it is community driven. that change occurred on 16.10
User16: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#head-8d764a92cbe82911913d972b8189698f9f04e6f3
User18: wait so PPC you had to get a subscription?
User16: apparently you did
User18: Interesting
User18: the funs of not using intel/amd
User18: rahtgaz, you know PPC world at all?
User16: that actually maybe a good thing. It may open the way for a PPC ubuntu derivative distro
User16: User18 no. very little. i just keep on with computing news
User18: just a question about PPC tho...
User16: shoot
User8: <Monery> wait so PPC you had to get a subscription? -> I don't think so
User18: those were used by IBM, Apple, and someone else... awhile ago... are there still that many out that functing?
User8: You can pay canonical for support for proper Ubuntu too yknow.
User17: i have an old imac g3
User17: runs ubuntu 12.04 without a gui, works great
User18: may i ask what you use it for?
User18: i have tossed or donated stuff that age myself... didn't really have a use for it anymore
User16: User18 yes. a lot. PPCs are very common on some embed controllers, and network devices
User16: the top of the line PPCs are also widely available on IBM RS and As computers too
User17: Monery, honestly not that much for anything :D its mostly a nice toy to have for me
User16: s/As/AS
User17: if it was my only computer i'd be happy with it
User18: i just throw problems at my pi3 or dual APU if they are small...
User16: you pi3 can tackle big problems too :)
User18: I was waiting for ouroumov_ to tell me some epic story about a major bug fix
User18: oh ya, I use it for all sorts of things
User18: even have battery and 3G for her if I need her outside the house
User18: wanna get a mast for the camera so i can pan and tilt
User8: I don't really know any stories, just what goes in the news
User16: if anything, you know have a new bug; canonical no longer provides payed support for ppc :)
User16: sheesh! i'm particularly typo-able today
User17: tpygning erorrs
User18: gotta move out of here, getting too cold, thanks for the info... c ya
User19: guys, how to i make the grub menu appear on boot instead of this grey box?
User19: do*
User8: hey bro_marc
User8: bro_marc, you mean you can't see grub menu items?
User19: i only get a grey box
User19: covering the whole screen
User8: User19 sudo pluma /etc/default/grub
User8: Uncomment line 20 GRUB_TERMINAL=console
User8: save, close, then: sudo update-grub
User19: alright, i'll try
User17: ouroumov_, sudo nano or gksudo pluma, not sudo pluma
User20: pluma = gedit
User20: rite
User17: yes nomic
User20: figured out  that gedit didn't work anymore on mate
User8: Akuli, are you saying that because it's a security issue Akuli ? Because it works.
User17: ouroumov_, gui apps like to change ownership of stuff in your home folder to root when you run them with plain sudo
User8: Seriously? Could that be the cause of ~/.config/cache being owned by root Akuli ?
User17: yes
User8: Holly damn.
User8: Akuli, are you running Ubuntu MATE 16.04 ?
User17: you can run `sudo chown -R $USER ~` if you have trouble with it :)
User17: ouroumov_, devuan 8
User17: an important note: both $USER and ~ are evaluated before the command is given to sudo
User17: try this out: echo $USER ~
User8: Damn, I'll need to test this
User17: i'm not actually sure how much truth there is in that ownership changing myth, but once some of my files were owned by root and some by me after running gui apps as root
User17: with sudo
User8: I'll have to check the permissions on a fresh install
User8: If I've been recommending something dangerous to people that needs to stop.
User17: i just use nano :)
User17: anyone can learn it in just a few seconds, its so simple
User17: awesome for quick config file editing stuff
User21: Help, sometimes when I connect/disconnect my laptop to a monitor with HDMI, the screens goes crazy with flickering and I have to force shutdown
User8: Langley, this is likely a kernel/driver issue. You should have better luck asking in #Ubuntu I think.
User21: Okay thanks
User20: is a general question about ubuntu and #ubuntu channel
User20: will help
User20: cos theres more people in it
User20: i dunno
User20: there are also the forums
User20: ubuntu forums, ubuntu mate forums
User20: very busy = ubuntu forums
User20: https://ubuntuforums.org/
User20: you use sane
User20: xsane
User20: for scanner
User20: you have tried to run "sane"?
User20: xsane is the scanner program
User20: sudo apt-get install xsane
User20: you can communicate any time you like
User20: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SANE%20-%20Installing%20a%20scanner%20that%20isn't%20auto-detected
User20: you may find the scanner is auto-detected
User20: after installing/running "xsane", then plugging your scanner in , usb ubuntu-mate .. but otherwise
User20: refer to article
User20: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SANE%20-%20Installing%20a%20scanner%20that%20isn't%20auto-detected
User20: pretty sure it will
User20: 100%
User20: yw.
User20: sudo apt-get xsane gets you the xsane program
User20: then run "xsane"
User20: plug your scanner in, usb cable
User20: it should be automatically detected
User20: otherwise, refer to article
User20: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SANE%20-%20Installing%20a%20scanner%20that%20isn't%20auto-detected
User8: hm
User8: ubuntu-mate, you've clicked the chat button two times too many
User22: hey, does somebody know what to do when the usb live distro is not showing any desktop panel? I see only my wallpaper. somehow I have the feeling two monitors are attached
User22: because the my mouse disappears over the left corner
User8: hi godfuture
User22: Hey :)
User8: hm, that's a weird problem
User22: one computer, one display,
User22: how to start display manager from console?
User8: I'm looking that up
User8: godfu
User8: erf
User22: back
User8: godfuture, I've got the name for you
User8: mate-display-properties
User23: does someone know a good private mail sevice
User22: cool, I will try
User8: ubuntu-mate, you still have the two screen detected problem?
User8: ubuntu-mate, that's very unusual behavior, I've never seen it myself.
User8: Maybe there's something stuck in the DisplayPort? :/
User8: I've been having a weird graphics problem with an AMD Sempron (old machine)
User8: dunno, probably
User8: I've never owned AMD machines, this is an old beast someone wanted to trash
User24: anyone have an ubuntu phone in the us
User8: I have one but I'm in France
User24: does it have apps?
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