User1: does ubuntu 8.04's free software only mode have any proprietary drivers such as drivers for wireless cards in the kernel that are not open source?
User2: it sounds like it shouldn't
User2: i assume it works by not enabling -restricted or -multiverse
User2: and "evil" drivers should be in restricted
User1: User2 lol im asking cuz both of my wireless cards work
User1: User2 i hadnt expected that
User1: so wait the whole free software only mode is all about not enabling those 2 repositories??
User1: but there is no proprietary content to begin with in either ubuntu, right?
User1: by either ubuntu i mean the free and non free modes
User2: define proprietary
User2: nvidia drivers are closed source
User2: with a small wedge layer so they work, technically, and sometimes legally
User2: User1 the free software mode is about making sure those repos are accurate
User2: i would have loved to have seen it become something like a project to both identify non free software and promote free alternatives, but that appears to have not been a priority
User1: ok so the ubuntu without the free software only mode has no proprietary software installed but has the repositories for proprietary stuff enabled..thats the only difference?
User2: what else is there?
User2: a different background?
User1: well, wireless cards drivers and i no video card drivers are free so i guess it is fully free
User1: i cant think of anything proprietary
User1: other
User1: than the
User1: artwork for firefox which doesnt matter since it doesnt get in the way of the freedoms and helps firefox keep its identity
User2: logos and trademarks are tricky
User2: but this is starting to have less to do with the kernel
User1: User2 o ya lol but so ya the kernel is 100% free then?
User2: i assume so -- I haven't tried it
User2: what i do know is that gobuntu failed at its mission
User1: and wat do kernel upgrades do rely? it allows to see more hardware?
User1: User2 ya cuz of gnewsense
User1: i tried to go there
User1: but they didnt have a 64 bit
User2: well, gobuntu was also created because of gnewsense
User1: i would use gnewsense if it had 64 bit
User1: ya but developpers dint want to develop it bcuz of repositories??! like wat kind of reason is that, u can have the proprietary stuff disabled by default
User2: i havent followed it closely, but i suspect gnewsense developers didn't want to rely on launchpad
User1: User2 launchpad is proprietary?
User2: launchpad is owned by canonical and not all the source code is available
User1: o sh*t
User2: of course, it's also nowhere near stable, and I suspect one of their goals requires a stable abi
User1: y is canonical of all ppl being like that??
User2: api really
User1: wait wats abi and api
User2: in the context of web software, the meaning of urls in relationship to the data they access
User2: I suspect the goal of launchpad is to create a distributed bug tracker in the same way we have a distributed code tracker
User2: I believe ive read that once they're satisfied that launchpad is capable of tracking another instance of itself, they'll release the code
User2: i think they've released the code to rosetta or something as a goodwill gesture
User2: and like i said, it's still moving. they just redid the UI last week
User2: once you release the code, you'll have people who won't upgrade despite the code being "alpha"/"beta"; like a filesystem, you're doomed to worrying about it until the last user dissapears
User1: User2 u kinda lost me but i have to eat breakfast now anyway
User3: 20:59:09 < soren> User5 Wow, that's convenient. make mrproper nukes the debian/ directory even if you've spent 3-4 hours tweaking it and haven't  committed any of it.
User4: User3 yeah, it's quite fun.. I've got bitten by it a couple times too
User5: User3 that was always the case :)
User5: it is a conflict between the in-kernel config system vs. debian
User3: User5 Ok. It doesn't help much that if there's cruft in the tree, make helpfully tells me that "hey, you should try running mrproper".
User3: ...and so I did, and then the dear Mr. Proper ate 4 hours of my work.
 * soren is not a fan of Mr. Proper anymore.
User5: User3 you probably ran a 'make menuconfig' in the directory :)
User4: User5 how do you generate the config file usually?
User5: User4 tied up in a meeting that requires my attention. Catch me tomorrow please....
User4: User5 sure, no hurry..
User3: User5 No, I think I acutally ran dpkg-buildpackage -b.
User3: I never ran menuconfig
User6: 91.69.162.6 broke uspash.
User6: oops
User6: 91.69.162.6
User7: ther is no uspash
User6: there was
User6: prior to .4 update i had a uslash (are we dropping it? or is it just meant not to have one)?
User8: hi, I just installed the 8.04.1 alternate xubuntu. It seems that I no longer seem to need to install an alternative driver from realtek to make my RTL8111C network card to work (r8168/r8169 modules)
User9: User4 excellent
User4: User9 meant AlexCONRAD?
User9: User4 yeah, stupid nick completion :)
User10: User9 if you happen to have a second, can you fix bug 246222 ? it shouldn't take more than a minute to fix it in git so I can use my custom dsdt with the next kernel :) (not that I don't like the sound of my lappy fan going full speed all the time ...)
User10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246222 (as you don't have ubottu here)
User10: User9 thanks
User11: anyone around to help diagnose an eSATA problem?
User11: I gots tasty error messages!
User11: no takers?  It could be interesting
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