User1: User6 are you able to reproduce this high cpu usage bug?
User2: User1 I tried chromium.  It is fast.
 * shtylman is so proud of ScottK :)
User2: Of course I doubt I can handle the removal of http:.
User1: hahaha
User1: supposidly when you copy it works
User2: Not yet
User1: I see
User2: But it's typical of the current wave of design arrogance that discounts any value for "what people are used to".
User1: right
User1: but sometimes you do have to break trends
User1: just to see what will happen
User1: doesn't always work out
User1: but thats called progress
User2: WTF, I've only been dealing with browsers that had that for 16 years.
User1: otherwise everyone is too scared to do anything
User2: Sure, but have a reason for it.
User2: "People don't need it" isn't a reason.
User2: It breaks my user interface expectations for no jennifersmith@example.org.
User2: So I ask myself do I want to get used to a browser designed by idiots like this or not?
User2: This won't be the last thing the do like this.
User1: heh
User1: what does it break for you?
User2: Not kidding.
User1: what interaction?
User3: e.g. sharing URLs with IRC, as one example of many
User2: Currently copy/paste is broken, but that's a bug.
User1: User3 its a bug
User1: once that is fixed... I don't really know what else will be a problem
User2: User1 It just looks wrong because stuff is missing.
User2: And so I'm going to experience the discomfort of this for what?
User2: No jennifersmith@example.org.
User1: and chromium is open source... so it change be changed if people get super upset...but I think once they fix the bug it won't be an issue
User1: User2 I guess different people react differently... I can see other's point of view on this
User1: I personally was like... ok.. thats nice... moving on
User1: and didn't give it another thought
User2: OK, I'm going to go crash.
User1: my life has not been shattered by it... and the benefits I have gotten from chromium far outweight any loss here
User1: don't crash too hard
User2: Try not to.
User1: :)
User4: hibernating does not seem to work very well in lucid
User2: User4 What kind of machine?
User4: futjitsu-siemens
User4: lifebook
User2: Didn't hear anything about problems with those.
User4: display came up in lower resolution
User4: and knetworkmanager was disabled
User4: I needed to kill it and restart it
User2: Nothing like that here
User4: hmm.. maybe it was an one off
User4: need to test that a bit
User2: These sorts of things are often very hardware specific.
User4: yeah
User5: User6 I'll take care of it when I get back from school tonight
User6: User5 of which?
User7: \o
User8: User7 hi :D
User6: go go ISO testers!
User7: sure, why not
User8: User6 exams... :(
User8: User6 i already have requests for 50 of the CD's... then theres the LoCo
User9: I guess someone in here uses Kdevelop? :)
User9: I wonder is it possible to autofix identation when you open a file?
User10: what you mean by fixing indentation?
User10: fixing the length of it or
User9: User10 I show ya a screenshot what I mean its hard to explain
User10: hrr
User9: All editors I have used before doesnt ident tabs correct
User10: User9 or you haven't set them correctly (:
User9: User10 http://imagebin.ca/view/0rmyMhEh.html
User9: User10 If I should highlight those areas around methods parse and getqueries I would fix the identation but I would like it to fix by automation when I open file.
User9: In someway identation isnt setup correct for some tabs \t and some are correct.
User7: oh so awesome
User7: lucid live cd won't shutdown on kvm
User9: And whats difference between identation width and tabulator width?
User9: Kdevelop4 is rocking awesome btw, it has everything that I need from an editor and it looks good as well <3
User9: User10 You see on my screenshot that some identation is smaller than other ones :S This is different in all editors I have used, in Zend Studio I thought everything was good and then I tested Netbeans and nothing works with identation, then Aptana which use same editor thing as Zend Studio which mean Eclipse. Then now I test Kdevelop which seem to finally do everything correct doesnt show my identation as I want it to be :P
User9: Its silly that I want correct identation but it annoys me if it isnt perfect because Im some sort of perfectionist
User9: What I want is that the editor should replace all 8 space characters with tabulators on-the-fly sort of speak. If I would highlight the whole file and press tab key it would replace spaces with tabulators.
User10: hmmh
User10: find&replace
User9: User10 Yes but I would love to fix it without find and replace my whole framework source with several thousands of code lines ...
User9: User10 Or maybe if its possible to build my own code formatter and select all source code and autofix code formatting and tabulators all at once <3 I have been looking for one in ages to setup the formatter after my own prefered formatting of PHP code. Zend Studio have almost what I want but you cant setup everything in there.
User10: heh
User7: User6 are those slides that show during install process translateable?
User9: User10 Do you think its possible to make a code formatter which apply certain rules you provide it and then loop through a project folder and apply code formatting on every single file in a snatch? :P Is it theorethical possible to program something like that inside Kdevelop?
User9: Maybe some kind of editor plugin :)
User10: no idea
User7: User9 I think guys over in #kdevelop would be able to help you
User9: User7 Didnt know there was such channel, thanks man :)
User7: No problem :).
User7: User11 ping
User11: User7 huh?
User7: oh awesome
User7: User11 I'm too lazy to search in backlog, you told me some time ago that I should go and learn polymorphism, classes, virtual functions etc, I've got the basics, anything else I should know?
User11: dont think so
 * apachelogger must elect a president now
User7: :O
User11: hm
User11: 2x doctor and one lady
User7: awesome, then I'm off looking for a Qt/KDE introduction
 * apachelogger fires up universal decision maker
User7: rand()?
User7: kubotu: 8ball should I play stepmania now?
 * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for Quintasan ... no
User7: yeah!
User7: oh, I want to play stepmania but I was wondering if kubout has 8ball
User11: my oh my
User7: 8ball I really should not play stepmania?
User7: bah
User7: silly me
 * Quintasan gets his dancing mat
 * apachelogger is done electing new president \\o/
User7: that mean you have voted for yourself, right? :P
User11: obviously enough
 * Quintasan imagines HUGE posters "Vote for Harald!"
 * apachelogger votes for himself ever since he is able to vote
User11: didn't work out so fa
User11: I suppose I must bribe someone into putting my name on the lists ;)
User7: kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger
 * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
User7: or just start a rebellion :P
User11: with like whom?
User11: and against what?
User12: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/49357
User12: hum, shouldn't we have that one packaged and added as a dep to the firefox-kde installer ?
User12: it would contribute to have a nicelly integrated firefox
User11: User12 I'm using KDE 4.4.1 with FF 3.6.3. This extension keeps crashing. Unfortunately it doesn't work well with Xmarks either - it keeps deleting all my passwords
User11: from the comments section
User11: besides, it's too late now anyway :/
User12: User11 I was suggesting that for lucid+1 obviously :)
User12: User11 anyway kmozillahelper might handle this at that time
User11: *nod*
User11: makes more sense in kmozhelper anyway ;)
User12: it comes to my mind... did we get a fix for oxygen ?
User12: the "I break 3D performances by 80% with your modern intel chip !" ?
User12: I had to switch the windeco just because of that
User12: and that will annoy a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of people
 * apachelogger didnt know there was such an issue
User6: User7 yes the slides are translatable
User9: Why isnt KDevelop4 ppa updated to RC3?
User6: User9 needing someone to package it
User12: User11 unortunatelly there is...
User7: User6 awesome, I'll get to it soon
User9: User6 I could do it if someone tell me how, or maybe point me someway in correct direction. Btw, isnt there anything else than kubuntu-beta ppa for kdevelop?
User6: User7 best be very soon, there's no point doing it after language packs get their final update for the CDs, unlike most software the slides are only run from the CDs
User7: User6 When is the deadline?
 * Quintasan can pull this off today but he is a bit lazy
User6: User9 grab the current sources, grab the new tar, rename the new tar to the correct naming pattern, copy over the debian/ directory from the old tar, dch -i for a new changelog entry, debuild to build it, debuild -S to build source
User6: User7 not sure, dpm will know
User6: probably it's on the release schedule
User9: User6 Que? :D Didnt understand much of that :P
User6: User9 where do you get lost?
User9: User6 Rename to correct naming pattern and then where to get current source?
User7: User9 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
User12: User11 I'll have to test oxygen again to see what's going on
User6: User9 get current sources from the PPA either through the web page or with apt-get source
User6: User9 nameing pattern has an underscore between name and version no and .orig.tar.gz at the end
User9: User6 Alright, hopefully I manage to fix it but I dont understand why it has to be so complicated to just compile source :P
User13: Quintasan, Riddell, translation deadline for language pack packages is on Thursday, the 22nd, at 20:00 UTC -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
User12: yeah....... still so dramatically slow here with oxygen....
User7: User13 ah, okay will get to it now
User13: cool, thanks
User7: User6 are those slides a different package?
User6: User7 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
User8: User17 there?
User8: ill brb..... weechat is acting up
User8: ah irssi is much better :)
User8: oh well i just wanted to point out that the wallpaper ( if you can call it that ) atop the desktop cube is not of the right size
User8: User17 http://imagebin.ca/view/urBZMoJ.html
User2: User10 Can I get some powerpc testing? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/
User7: 25% done \o/
User14: is the network management plasma widget replacing knetworkmanager for lucid?
User6: User14 no
User15: User14 no we still use network-manager-kde
User8: the widget still has a few bugs imp
User8: *imo
User14: ok thanks
User16: is 20100419.2 of kubuntu-netbook the candidate iso for the rc?
User6: User16 yes
User16: thanks
User2: User17 Did your powerpc box survive the disaster?
User17: User2 yes it did...need me to turn it on?
User2: User17 Can it run Kubuntu for at least a test install?  We've got ISOs need testing.
User17: i can probably set that up later to do, i can't do that now though
User18: nixternal, you seem to have had a fun conference.  Also, the stickers on your laptop rocks.
User17: must have been an old conference
User18: nixternal, that help thing
User2: User17 That'd be great.  I think we've got a great powerpc release here and I want to make sure we get it tested and verified.
User8: User18 what stickers? :P
User18: shadeslayer, his laptop is black, but its covered with these multicolored stickers like ubuntu, kde, (dont remember the rest)
User8: User18 nice!!!
 * shadeslayer plans to steal nixternal's laptop and the stickers
User8: of course ill give the laptop back... no use for me :)
User8: User17 did you pay for them? or did you get them for free?
User8: oh and did you get my earlier message?
User17: User8 got them for free
User17: I had a ton of the FSF stickers a while or so back
User8: oh yayy... i have no taskbar now...
User17: gotta have tasks in order to have a task bar, so get to work! :p
User8: User17 nice :P
User8: i knew i shouldnt have added that rss reader....
User8: btw did you guys see the new blur effect in kde 4.5?
User8: and what will : http://www.kdenews.org/2010/04/01/announcing-upcoming-release-new-customized-kde-software-compilations : mean for us?
User16: User8 it was published on 1st of April?
User19: lol!
User8: User16 hehe
User19: it means we get Pink Ponies!!
User8: User19 :P
User8: oh and checkout http://www.enricoros.com/blog/2010/04/delicious-transblurency/
User20: so no one wants to use kobby at UDS?
User6: not enough to have to backport gnome packages..
User20: hehe
User2: User20 If someone can test, I can deal with the actual backports.
User20: User2 I can install hardy and jaunty into VMware and test.
User20: or virtualbox :D
User2: User20 OK.
 * jussi grabs isos...
User20: User2 do we need to test intrepid?
User2: User20 No.  It will be out of support by UDS
User20: User2 excellent.
User20: iso's are downloading.
User20: User2 jaunty installed, hardy on its way. Ill be ready whenever you are (today or later :D ) I assume youll pop it in a PPA somewhere. Just let me know where :)
User2: OK.
User4: User2 is there finally a server that works for kobby?
User2: User4 I didn't look into it, but I'd assume so.
User4: I thought the last time we couldn't use it because the server version required was not stable enough or something like that
User20: User4 no, its not that it isnt stable enough, its that it needed to be compatible across versions
User4: yeah or something like that
User21: Hi all, I want to install koffice on the kubuntu lucid beta. apt-get install koffice gets me a /usr/share/dos/koffice folder with a readme file. Where is the real koffice at?
User16: kde bug 234010
User22: KDE bug 234010 in plasma-netbook "plasma-netbook crash with regenerated plasma-netbook-appletrc" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234010
User16: User2 I could not reproduce the plasma-netbook bug you mentioned yesterday so far.
User16: User23 no problems with our account
User2: User16 It's an intermittent problem.  I've only had it now and then.  I'm mostly concerned it doesn't causes regressions.
User2: If you don't see any negative effects, then I think we should get it in.
User2: Maybe apachelogger will backport it to the KDE 4.4 branch too.
User2: (in kde svn)
User16: User2 ok, I will work further work on it tomorrow, sorry too late over here now
User2: User16 Thanks.  We're frozen until Thursday, so I think it's fine.
User23: User16 fine
User24: i guess the nm plasmoid is no worse than knm. both fail utterly with hidden ssid
User2: That is true.
User2: Unimplemented feature though, not a bug.
User24: well you can *tell* it the ssid though, thats the confusing bit. even if you tell it the ssid it still doesnt work
User24: though it did seem to set the AP when i looked with iwconfig, just wouldnt get an ip address
User24: (plasmoid that is.  never peaked with iwconfig while using knm)
User6: User5 how's the countdown?
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