User1: the upgrade to 4.0.4 seems to have made things quite a bit more buggy
User2: regressions by my count are: bug 227932, bug 227919, bug 227914, and bug 227904
User3: Launchpad bug 227932 in ktorrent-kde4 "Ktorrent-kde4 crashes after shutdown of closing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227932
User3: Launchpad bug 227919 in kdebase-kde4 "[Konqueror 4.0.4, regression] Widgets inside webpages render incorrectly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227919
User3: Launchpad bug 227914 in kdebase-kde4 "buttons missing in konqueror kde4" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227914
User3: Launchpad bug 227904 in kdebase-workspace "KDE4 login screen is missing background (regression: 4.0.4)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227904
User2: oh, 227909, not 227914
User1: i'm getting funky behavior with konqueror toolbars, pidgin froze and firefox won't launch (don't know if those are related), some systray icons have artifacts
User2: Pidgin and firefox work fine here, but everything else seems to fit in line with the above bug reports
User1: alt+f2 doesn't work (already ran kded4 manually)
User1: lock screen and switch user dont' work
 * JontheEchidna can run alt+f2 fine
User2: and switch user/lock screen
User2: Is krunner running?
User1: ooh more upgrades.. maybe i just didn't get everything because of mirror lag
User2: maybe
User1: mit didn't have it at all so i switched to us
User2: us archive is being sloooow for the past few days
User2: de had mirror lag this morning so I switched back to us
User1: ok upgrading seems to have fixed some of the problems
User2: Right about now I'm thinking "I'm glad I'm not using Konqueror right about now"
User2: I'm guessing that we're running into all of these regressions because the devs aren't using a 4.0.x environment
User2: nighty-night
User4: from where do you get your unsermake in Hardy?
User5: User4 what needs unsermake?
User5: iirc unsermake was removed a release or 2 back
User4: User5 KDE3 does use it on build, right?
User4: atleast I do with it
User5: it shouldn't be using it..I thought we removed anything related to unsermake a while back
User4: well upstream didn't?
 * Tm_T is building svn
User5: kde 4 svn?
User4: kde3 svn
User5: you can use the autotools for it
User4: kde4 is later today
User5: you don't unsermake for it
User4: User5 I can, but unsermake works better, IIRC
User5: don't need*
User4: indeed it does work better with it
User5: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/unsermake/
User5: thought we dropped it..it has been gone since Dapper
User5: I remember doing some conversions back then
User5: iirc it was in the kdeonbeta stuff
User4: yeh, I grabbed unsermake from gutsy (it was there without proper dependencies)
User5: ya, we use autotools for kde3 building
User4: I didn't even notice that
 * Tm_T shames
 * apachelogger shames for using autotools
User5: what would you use then for KDE 3 building?
User5: surely not unsermake
User4: User5 why not?
User5: from what I remember of it, besides it being unmaintained and archaic, it was a pita at times
User4: hmm, interesting
User6: User1 i have artifacts in the systray as well
User5: you have to nix your plasma configs for that Nightrose
User5: plasmarc you might be fine keeping, but it is the other plasma config in there
User6: hmm ok will try later
User6: thanks
User6: User5 meh that is the one with all my applets?
User6: i would hate to nix that
User6: you don't happen to know a less intrusive way? ;-)
User5: ya
User5: nope
User6: :/
User6: ok
User5: ya to the one with all of the applets and nope to a less intrusive way
User6: ;-)
 * nixternal beds
User5: g'nite
User6: k'nite
User7: night? I'm in school!
User6: hmmm nixternal that didn't help :(
User6: was still messed up after deleting plasma-appletsrc so i restored my old one
User6: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extragear-plasma/+bug/228123 <- if someone feels like looking into it...
User3: Launchpad bug 228123 in extragear-plasma "[regression KDE 4.0.4] painting problems with icons in system tray" [Undecided,New]
User6: hmm and my kopete crashes when i close a message window...
User6: cananyone reproduce that?
User8: User24 yes kdevelop should be merged, the kde 4 version is a long way off I believe
User8: User28 uploaded a debdiff for kde4libs/qt4.4 where?
User8: User28 got it, thanks
User6: User8 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/228129
User3: Launchpad bug 228129 in kopete "[regression KDE 4.0.4] Kopete crashes when closing message window" [Medium,Confirmed]
User6: kopete is the b0rked :(
User8: User9 replace the kde 3 version
User6: :P
User6: well it always worked pretty nicely for me...
User6: :/
User8: User6 tried asking upstream?
User6: User8 not yet - will do
User6: User8 upstream is on it - will keep you posted
User8: groovy
User9: vorian: "replace the kde 3 version"
User8: User23 what's the current state of pykde in kdebindings like?  good to package?
User10: User8 i simply can't get g-p-m for kde4 to compile ... finally got my intrepid pbuilder up and running, but still no luck; neither using cmake directly or using the rules-file from kdebase-kde4 as a base
User8: User10 when happens when you run cmake?
User10: User8 still get the same error: Unknown CMake command "macro_optional_find_package" ... and has simply no idea how to make it go away
User8: User10 oh, are you trying to compile just g-p-m?
User8: User10 you need to compile kdereview
User8: svn checkout -N svn+ssh://ashleyreynolds@example.com/home/kde/trunk/kdereview
User8: cd kdereview
User8: svn update guidance-power-manager
User8: mkdir build
User8: cd build
User10: User8 uh ... then no wonder everything fails
User8: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ..
User8: make
User8: sudo make install
User10: at least that gave me another error ... thanks a lot
User8: User10 what's the error?
User10: it's compiling one of the plasma applets, that errors out on me (probably misses some dependencies) ... is is possible to tell cmake to only compile g-p-m?
User11: User10 that is what Riddell told you
User11: -N will checkout non-recoursive
User11: svn update will get g-d-m
User11: then you create a build subdir in _kdereview_
User11: which then will only build g-d-m
User12: Tried to upgrade to 8.04, but got this http://tango.pastebin.com/m678be80a - konq wouldn't start at "report bug" - tried twice
User10: User11 oh ... didn't see the -N
User13: User12 That means that the server is down/insanely slow
User13: You can try changing mirrors
User13: Adept-> Manage repositories
User13: Then on the first tab There should be a "Download from:" option
User13: Hit "Other" in the combobox
User13: and select a different server, like the german one
User6: User8 fix for the kopete crash: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161769
User3: KDE bug 161769 in general "kopete causes a sigserv when closing chat window" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]
User6: that was fast...
User12: User13 hmm, same happens with de.archive.ubuntu - could this be a firewall problem? is non-standard ports used anywhere in the process?
User13: It's standard http, so probably not...
User13: Sure the internet connection is ok on your end?
User13: oh, well I suppose it must be ok if we're talking on an internet chat
 * jtechidna is tired
User11: +1
User12: User13 'k - thanks, will try again at home
User14: afternoon
User8: hi mhb
User8: sladen here was muttering about borrowing some floor space in prague during UDS
User14: I don't understand
User14: do you need something from me?
User8: User14 you have floor space in prague?
User14: floor space as in?
User14: no warehouse
User8: User14 somewhere to sleep
User14: ah right, a spare bed I do have
User15: sladen would probably take teh floor, quite happily.
User15: User14 although, be wary of sladen and fridges, and such.
User16: User8 are there desktop meetings from now to UDS?
User8: User16 there's one about to start
User8: won't be next week, or at least I'll be on a train
User14: if he's fine with sleeping on the edge of town in a big family house, it's ok
User16: when you update a kernel, is adept supposed to tell you to reboot? (i think i might have asked this question before..)
User8: User16 yes, it should popup an icon in the system tray
User16: hmm.. i wonder what i did to break that (and it it has happened to anyone else)
User8: User16 do you have adept_notifier running?
User16: i thought maybe i missed it, but there have been two kernel updates this week and there were no reboot suggestions
User16: yeah
User8: User16 do you have /var/run/reboot-required and /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp ?
User16: nope
User16: how long have those been around?  i've been doing updates since feisty
User8: those files would be installed by the updated linux package if it thought a reboot was required
User16: oh, i do have dpkg-run-stamp, just not reboot-required
User8: possibly one isn't?
User16: maybe, i dunno. maybe it was a different problem
User16: after both updates this week, something ate 100% of memory and swap
User16: and i noticed both updates were kernel updates
User16: maybe they were just really big and something else did it
User16: i dont care if it's just my goofy computer, but it would suck if a lot of users had this problem
User16: because they will blame hardy for being slow instead of some other problem
User8: not using firefox are you?
User16: nope, that's what i originally thought the problem was but i didn't use it between the first and second update
User16: man.. being nontechnical is pretty useless
User16: i have no idea how to figure out if its just my own dumb fault or if there's something wonky going on
User8: User16 no update should start eating 100% of memory and swap
User8: (occationally they should stop it though)
User8: User16 how do you know they ate 100% of memory and swap?
User16: i looked at the memory graph in kinfocenter
User16: with my normal stuff running (kopete, konsole, kontact, 2-3 open office docs, konq) i'm using about 50-70% total memory (no swap)
User16: after i did the update this morning.. stuff started running slow again and the graphs said physical and swap were 100% used
User6: re from shopping
User6: User8 is anyone looking into the dos problem of kopete?
User6: i am pondering taking care of the tab problem
User8: User6 not currently, feel free to make debdiffs and test
User6: ok will give it a try
User17: User16 when will you be available today?
User16: User17 in about 10-15 minutes as long as my phone call doesn't run over
User17: User16 ok. tell me when you are ready
User4: yay, Ubuntu Finland was awarded as "Linux contributor of the year" in Finland <3
User6: \o/ nice
User16: User17 ping
User17: User16 pong
User17: User16 concerning the second page,
User16: ok
User17: I am not sure about some options
User17: eg enable ACPI
User16: about whether they should be there or what they are?
User17: I think this option is a kernel argument
User17: both :)
User17: where did you find them?
User16: ok.. so does that mean it is specific to the OS?
User16: other GRUB uis including the last one designed
User17: y
User17: at least I think so
User17: Mandriva's ui?
User16: might have been the suse one.  i only had screenshots
User16: so instead it would be in your add/edit wizard?
User17: y if I'm right
User16: ok no problem
User17: let me check the suse's one. currently I am on opensuse
User16: that probably applies to a lot of those options, now that i'm looking at it
User16: such as debugging and selinux support
User16: does it make sense to configure all that stuff in a wizard?  it might be annoying to have to go through the process every time you want to make a change
User16: could you select the OS from a list and then show the relevant options?
User17: yes it must apply to other options, too
User17: I didn't really get your last question, though
User16: currently, the only way to configure os-specific options is to use your wizard
User16: but for an advanced user, wouldnt it be annoying to have to go through the process all the time just to configure one option?
User18: hi seele
User17: yes indeed
 * DaSkreech waves at Tm_T
User4: User6 including money prize
User4: User18 hi hi son
User4: :))
User16: so as an alternate, could you select the operating system from a drop down and have it show/enable os-specific options to configure?
User6: User4 wohooo - even nicer ;-)
User16: e.g. if SE Linux support is installed and you select OpenSuse, provide an option to turn it on or off
User16: User18 hihi
User17: hmm
User17: then it shouldn't be under Boot Options
User16: yeah
User16: probably a separate tab
User16: under operating systems
 * Artemis_Fowl has to find a way to quick-edit entry attributes....
User16: i dont think there would be enough room under the list to add it
User16: if it will take a lot of work, for now, you could just put it in the wizard and work on it for the next release
User17: yep
User16: actually, it would probably be in both places anyway
User16: because when you create a new entry, you would want to configure those options during the wizard
User16: it's just that you dont want people to have to use the wizard every time they want to tweak an option or look something up
User17: what if all possible entry attributes (title, root,kernel, SELinux etc) could be edited from a single window without documentation?
User17: w8 to find a screenshot
User17: User16 like in the old wireframes: http://obso1337.org/hci/grub/GRUB_Wireframes_Dec_17.pdf
User17: page 2
User16: in a popup menu instead of in a tab?
User16: er, new dialog
User17: yes
User17: would that be fine?
User16: where would you put the button to open the dialog?
User17: the dialog would be called from a Quick-Edit button next to Add/Edit/Remove buttons
User16: hmm.. the only problem is we already have 5 buttons, and i'm not even sure if they will all fit after translation
User17: Edit pops up the full Assistant which is documented and offers detailed configuration and Quick Edit only this dialog
User16: yeah, i dont think two edit buttons is a good idea
User16: what if there was only one edit, and it was the dialog with all the options
User16: and you only get the wizard for add?
User17: the Edit button could have a popup menu with the items "Full Edit" and "Quick Edit"
User17: or something like this
User17: I wouldn't like to remove the Full Edit mode
User16: items as in buttons to more dialogs? or two tabs?
User17: when you click the Edit button a menu pops up at the bottom of it like Suggestions'
User17: 'Suggestions' button in the wizard*
User16: yeah, i dont know about that
User16: it sounds lot more complicated than it needs to be
User16: and it doesnt act like any of the other system setting modules
User17: actually it is not complicated. simply when the user clicks the Edit button he will have to choose whether to use the full-blown assistant or the quick edit dialog
User17: but indeed it is no common practice
User17: but I have no other ideas atm
User16: short term just put all the options in the wizard and we can figure out how to break them out later
User16: i dont like the idea of having to go three screens deep just to find a configuration option
User17: ok
User17: User16 one good reason to include the "Full Edit" option is that some entry attributes such as maps cannot be edited through the Quick-Edit dialog
User17: User16 they wouldn't fit
User17: User16 and map support is vital. I had way too many requests for such a feature to ignore it
User17: User16 it is necessary for Windows dual-booting when Windows isn't on a master hard disk
User8: dinosaur-rus: we are
User8: fabo: what do you think of ^^ ?
User5: User6 you can mv ~/.kde4 somewhere and then log back in to KDE 4...guarantee everything works then :)
User6: User5 will try after i fixed kopete ;-)
User18: kopete r brok?
User6: jep big time unfortunately for me
User18: what's it doing?
User6: tab handeling is broken in 4.0.4 and it constantly crashes on me due to http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-04-20/moreinfo/798338/ i assume
User18: Hmm
User6: fixed package building now in pbuilder
 * Nightrose crosses fingers
User18: I installed 4.0.4 last night the apt-cache policy says 4.0.4 all the apps say 4.0.3
User6: yea known problem
User18: But koepte was crashing like krazy in 4.0.3 for me so lets see if that changes
User6: hehe
User18: near 70% of the time I shutdown jut clicking that buton made kopete crash
User6: oO
User18: or if I sent someone a file and they decided not to accept (that happens more than I remember) it would crash
User6: you shouldn't send so many files then :P
User18: No people just should accept them :-P
User6: ;-)
 * nixternal kicks archive.ubuntu.com right in its arse!
User6: heh tell me about it...
User18: 12 k /s :-(
User5: 0k/s
User5: it doesn't even work for me
User19: 239kB/s :p
User19: hint: use a different mirror
User5: I am using mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu now
User19: User8 "   * Remove build-dep on libdvdread" << does that mean that k3b can no longer burn/extract DVD?
User5: I get anywhere between 1MB/s to 2MB/s
User8: User19 libdvdread3 has always been in universe as far as I know
User19: User8 so k3b was not really built with it?
User8: User19 it never has been
User18: k3b is in work for 4.1 I think
User19: ok, thanks
User5: User20 your KDE/Qt Perl bindings issues may be a thing of the past...I have interested a couple of people from the PerlMongers group to work on them
User5: one of this is Josh if you ever met him, he is the new PR person for the Perl Foundation
User5: s/this/them
User20: Ooh?
User20: That would be nice.
User20: Josh McAdams?
User5: ya
User20: Yeah, I used to work with him.  Top-notch guy.
User20: One of the best folks to know.
User5: groovy, so you trust his work then
User20: Without question.
User5: nice...well if you are interested, maybe you could talk to him about it and what not..as I believe you have tried playing with the bindings
User5: I got to meet those ashleyreynolds@example.com all came in for my KDE 4 talk, and I complained during the plasmoid talk about Perl bindings and what not :)
User5: see, crying does help!
User20: The fundamental problem is tying Perl to C++ with Qt templates.
User5: I think it is high time I go back and try to relearn Perl the correct way...do you recommend any books for this (O'Reilly since they are free for me?)
User20: Learning Perl is a good one.
User5: k
User20: I learned Perl with Emacs and the pocket reference.
User5: that's cuz you are insane
User5: you obviously had no life before meeting your wife :p
User5: I'm a poet and dun even know it
User18: emacs \o/
User18: User5 Funny neither do we :)
User20: Um... most geeks don't.
User5: I am going to the Cubs game tomorrow, so I have a bit of a life :)
User5: my brother's new nickname is "Hollywood"
User20: You're not a very good geek then.
User5: he got us setup at the Skydeck on Sheffield
User5: and we are traveling via limo
User5: all free! food and drink included!
User5: granted from the skydeck the players will look like ants, but the food and drink will be good :)
 * nixternal hopes they have something other than budweiser, miller, and old style
User18: Who really goes to baseball to see the players?
 * nixternal does
User5: I love baseball
User20: Sorry, Cubs aren't worth that much money.
User18: free? :)
User5: Cubs are my heros
User20: You have losers as heros?  That explains a lot :P
User5: to the world series they go!
User20: And by world series, you mean they go to the cubby bear to watch two other teams play?
User5: I was raised a Detroit Tigers and Chicago Cubs fan...but I enjoy the national league more because they make the pitchers bat
User5: User20 come on, this is the 100 year anniversary...the world series is in the bag
User5: you know that MLB has already set it up
User20: Yeah... the body bag.
User5: we have Fukudome, and no I didn't just cuss and it isn't pronounced like it looks either
User5: still the funniest was the lady on CBS Chicago who pronounced it Fuk u do me
User5: and not fooka dome a
User18: User5 Cubby hole fans must love her
User5: there is no better game or stadium
User18: BirdsNest
User5: I mean for a team that does so bad, season tickets are always sold out in advance
User5: I like sitting up though at the game, don't like the box seats down either 1st base or 3rd base lines....line drives and broken bats are dangerous
User8: apachelogger, User21 anyone ordered kubuntu-kde4 CDs for linuxtag?
User18: hi jjesse
User21: User8 yes, juliux ordered 2000 kubuntu cds for linuxtag via torsten spindler
User21: User8 kde3 and kde4
User8: torsten spindler? not sure what he has to do with CDs but ok
User21: User8 i asked again. juliux ordered kde3 and kde4 via tetet, shipit and canonical marketing. cds will be send directly to ,esse berlin
User21: User8  ,esse berlin => messe berlin => masses berlin
User22: hello DaSkreech
User8: User21 groovy
User23: sebas: ping
User16: ok!  done with meetings for the day and one more day till the weekend
 * seele falls over.  it was a rough week.
 * Riddell puts soft matt under where seele is falling onto
User16: a blankie would be nice too!
User24: User8 I'm strugggling to build kdevelop binary. any idea what would cause http://paste.ubuntu.com/11005/
User24: something wrong in the configure file related to libtool
User24: but it's above my skill level
User24: as an aside, has anybody had success getting an intrepid pbuilder to work.
User24: I tried a few days ago without success
User8: User24 hrm, tricky.  tried make -f admin/Makefile.common ?
User24: trying
User8: or better, make -f debian/rules buildprep
User8: User24 can't say I have, chroot only
User24: first one is running
User24: fair enough, just curious
User24: User8 debian/patches/common has a script update.sh that automatically updates some patches regarding libtool and autotools
User24: I've run this script
User24: just wondering if that's the problem
User8: could be
User24: make -f admin/Makefile.common completes without errors
User24: suggests running ./configure, should I follow on or try make -f debian/rules buildprep
User8: go with make -f debian/rules buildprep
User24: ok
User25: User5 ping?
User24: User8 make -f debian/rules buildprep goes to completion, what's next?
User8: User24 debuild ?
User24: ok
User25: does anybody know if there's a package for ksynaptics? I thought there was but I can't find it now
User24: User8 sorry for all the neophyte questions, still learning
User16: |Artemis_Fowl|: did you have any more questions about the wireframes?
User16: |Artemis_Fowl|: typo, i forgot to put it there.. which brings up the problem of not having any space to put it
User26: User8 could you please upload desktop-effects-kde?
User16: oh wait.. i misunderstood your question
User16: |Artemis_Fowl|: no, there was no reason why i ordered it that way
User8: User26 I don't have time to package it currently, do you have it as a package?
User16: |Artemis_Fowl|: sure, i dont think it makes a difference either way
User26: User8 sure, let me do a bzr builddeb ;)
User24: User8 I think that's got it. still building but gone further than before
User8: User24 great
User24: got a sec to explain what that that command did
User16: |Artemis_Fowl|: i thought any time a kernel was updated the GRUB config was updated
User16: |Artemis_Fowl|: that should be the Default?
User16: the purpose of the Defaults button is a "factory restore" of whatever options for that module
User22: does the "defaults" work?
User16: in most cases, that is the original configuration file, but in this case it would be the updated config from the package update
User22: i thought it just reset to the last change from when you opened up the system setting
User26: User8 here it is: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/
User16: User22 i'm pretty sure its supposed to be a factory reset, and lots of people were confused because they thought it was a last saved
User16: |Artemis_Fowl|: ok good.  i believe that is what the Defaults button is for
User22: User16 i would argue they don't always work that way then
User16: User22 probably not
User22: at least on my system
 * |Artemis_Fowl| never uses the Defaults button
User16: i dont know which modules use it correctly or not, i just know what the Defaults button is supposed to do
User22: i used the default button because i thoght they brought them back to the original Kubuntu configuratoin
User22: and stoped as soon as i realized they didn't
User16: because no one knew it wasn't a Load Last Save
User16: hum.. maybe it was changed in kubuntu then?
User16: this was a discussion for probably 2 years ago with kde-usability
User5: User25 pong?
User26: User8 uh wait, I put hardy instead of intrepid
User8: I can fix that
User26: okay, thanks
User8: User26 looks good otherwise, uploading
User26: I'll just fix it in the bzr branch
 * _Sime just saw the "printer setup" bubble thingy in hardy. WAY COOL!
User25: User5 nvm, I was trying to figure out how to adjust touchpad prefrences in KDE but I ended up just editing xorg.conf anyway
User25: User5 Kubuntu's rockin' my socks off today. First time I've tried it on Hardy
User26: User8 If you have some time, kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts is also ready for upload: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kks
User5: http://chi.ubuntu-us.org/
User5: check out my pimpin' monitor on the right
User5: included KDE 4 and KDE 3 images in it
User18: with compiz!
User18: Would the new Vbox come in backports?
User27: it hasn't entered intrepid yet
User18: ok
User5: User18 you can grab the new vbox for hardy from their website
User22: nice monitor nixternal
User18: User5 I missed that I only saw a tarball
User24: woo, kdevelop built successfully at last :)
User6: hmmm anyone who can tell me what is wrong with my pbuilder? http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp/kopete.txt
User28: User6 not pbuilder, Qt4.4. doesn't seem to set QT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR, you need to pass "-DQT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/qt4" to cmake
User28: should be something for it in the debian/rules file
User6: User28 hmmm ok... why does this compile without my patch?
User6: (i assume it does since it is in the archive)
User28: User6 because it was compiled against Qt4.3?
User6: hmmmmpf
User6: fun
User6: thx stdin
User5: http://tv.timbormans.com <- that is pretty cool...it is a youtube + last.fm mashup...enter your last.fm username at top, and it will play the videos to your songs
User22: that's cool
User6: User28 so what to do? i have a debdiff but have no idea if it works or not - should i try to make it compile against Qt4.4?
User28: User6 if it's going to go into hardy-backports or intrepid, then you don't have much choice
User6: ok thx
User6: and i thought once a patch was going to be simple... :P
User18: Intrepid will be based solely on trunk and not the 4.0 branch correct?
User28: User6 add "-DQT_QT_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/qt4" to DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS in debian/rules if it's using cdbs
User6: will try
User8: User18 4.1
User8: User23 wooga
User18: User8 Yes Sorry :) but there isn't a 4.1 branch yet so till then it will be tracking trunk ?
User18: and not have any of the 4.0 branch ?
User8: User18 right
User18: Cool
User18: User5 what's the likelihood of ars running a Kubuntu review alongside an Ubuntu ?
 * Riddell wonders how nixternal would know
User5: User18 I can make a couple of calls, about all I can do
User5: our KDE insider is pretty much KDE, but I can talk to Flav for some pull on a Kubuntu article
 * Nightrose hugs stdin
User6: looks like it is working now
User28: :)
User6: let's see if I get a package... ;-)
User6: hmm nope - kget doesn't want to play nice
User5: kget plays nice for me :p
User18: User8 Maybe you canhelp. What do I need to get my sound hardware to turn up in System Settings -> Sound
User6: User5 haha then tell me how i can make it play nice here as well ;-) http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp/kopete.txt
User21: User6 pls send me your .diff.gz and .dsc
User6: User21 k - will upload them in a sec
User21: ok
User6: User21 http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp
User21: thx
User6: :)
User28: User6 looks like libqt4-dev has a missing dep on libxrender-dev
User6: trying
User18: Neat Koffice A7
User29: hi there
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