User1: good morning to all
User2: Good morning
User3: Good morning lordievader
User2: Morning EoflaOEViceCity. How are you doing?
User1: hey EoflaOEViceCity
User3: I am doing fine. How about you | hello lotuspsychje
User1: all good on this side tnx
User3: You are welcome.
User2: Doing good here :)
User3: Sorry for leaving, but Android oom-killer is killing IRC client.
User2: Use a bouncer ;)
User2: Or better, use matrix </advertisement>
User3: What do you mean? My Android is 1GB RAM and is autokilling everything when opening the second app. I will have to find a solution.
User2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_(software)
User2: It is typically not recommended to run an irc client from a phone due to the frequent disconnects.
User2: So the work around is to take a host with a stable connection, run the irc client on there and connect your mobile to that host.
User2: Oh and for more information about matrix: https://matrix.org
User3: OK. Will do that soon.
User4: Heya!
User4: Buaaaaaaaaaaa...... I have run out of cola!!!! And last night the supermarket only had normal cola next to the checkouts so I couldn't buy cola zero :(
User4: I have only drunk 1 litre
User2: Brrr 1 litre of cola. That would be enough for me to last a year.
 * lordievader rarely drinks cola
User4: :)
User5: Howdy folks
User4: bluesceada!!!! Hello!
User4: I have been working on the British speller since 7am
User4: :)
User4: 5 hours ago
User4: it is a hard work but someone has to do it
User1: User6 https://ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics
User6: hi lotuspsychje
User6: remember me lotuspsychje
User7: yo BluesKaj
User6: hi ducasse
User5: hey luna/ducasse
User1: hey Mathisen
User8: interesting link, lotuspsychje ... I haven't seen that before
User1: User8 might not be real accurate but..
User1: its an idea right
User8: better than anything else maybe
User6: lotuspsychje, we had a kubuntu user here named blueskaj , he is still around?
User1: User6 scroll up
User8: BluesKaj, is in the room here
User5: immu, that's me
User6: BluesKaj, hi
User5: hi immu
User6: long time huh BluesKaj
User6: so as asked how many of users here prefer a LTS release?
User8: lotuspsychje, 11% still using 800x600
User1: count me 1 immu
User9: LTS for work, not for home :)
User5: immu, I'm a Kubuntu tester so i'm usually running a dev OS
User8: I use LTS
User6: i am still undecided between a lts or point release cycle of ubuntu
User8: do you value stability?
User5: LTS has point releases
User1: i think he means non-lts
User1: User6 wich version are you on now, and wich versions are you doubting about?
User10: unless you can list reasons which require you to use non LTS releases, use LTS
User8: hi tomreyn
User10: hi sonicwind
User6: do lts releases get software updates like latest version of google chrome or firefox?
User6: gnome also
User1: User6 do you need latest versions, and why?
User6: newer features
User11: User6 google chrome and firefox are different than most packages and do get updates through LTS releases
User10: LTS releases get rolling releases for firefox and chromium.
User8: lotuspsychje, I don't know how accurate these stats are in that link, but I am finding them fascinating
User10: User11 google chrome, too? via partner?
User1: User8 (i think )they started those stats, togheter with the ubuntu welcome screen
User8: I thought a lot more people were using lvm and encrypted lvm
User10: i assume those stats were accurate at the time they were generated, which was sometime last year
User6: do software vendors targeting Ubuntu, target LTS release? say steam?
User1: User8 This report is generated from basic, non-identifiable system data that was provided by users when installing Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
User1: User8 so users can also choose, to not send stats
User8: right
User6: also i believe less headache on LTS release?
User11: User10 via their own repo which gets installed when you install the package from their site
User10: User6 most target LTS, sometimes also the latest stable non-LTS release.
User10: User11 oh right.
User10: i had forgotten the run a repo
User10: installer defaults matter a lot, really. many people just keep what's default, don't enable encryption. i think 'ubuntu desktop' should default to FDE (incl. /boot) on at least laptops. but this would depend on canonical hiring more staff to actually make this happen, test it a lot, and do it in a way that lets users recover their system or at least their data if things fail. ubuntu used to be leading in such general improvements, but
User10: that's a while ago sadly.
User6: has the new nvidia drivers landed?
User6: in LTS ?
User1: User6 is this what you readed? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/ubuntu-19-10-nvidia-drivers-iso
User6: no, this one https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/07/install-nvidia-driver-update-ubuntu-its @lotuspsychje
User10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NVidiaUpdates
User1: User6 do you have an nvidia card?
User6: yes i do
User1: User6 and wich version of ubuntu are you running?
User6: 19.04 as of now
User1: User6 i thought you said you were still doubting wich ubuntu version you would install?
User6: yeah
User6: i am thinking of install LTS on other system
User1: User6 check: ubuntu-drivers list
User6: sure brb
User6: let me install LTS
User6: brb
User1: lol
User3: hi lotuspsychje
User1: hey EoflaOEViceCity
User3: How was your day?
User1: warm
User3: Me too, it was on night in my time, but generally, warm all the time.
User1: User3 i see your blog also contains ubuntu articles
User3: User1 Nice. Do you have a blog about Ubuntu or Linux?
User1: User3 no, im running a webshop busniess with ubuntu LTS and samsung ssd's, from home
User3: Nice. Can I see it?
User1: User3 i do have a blogger, linked for my customers news
User1: User3 https://lotuscomputers.be
User1: only in duch for now
User1: *dutch
User3: Nice design. Can I translate the whole website to English?.
User1: its fine, its on my list mate
User1: User3 we do have an Ubuntu news lettre if you like, they always looking for articles writers, are you interested?
User3: Was it with English? If so, then yes.
User1: User3 yes, see #ubuntu-news
User3: OK
User3: Joined.
User1: User3 here's an example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue587
User1: User3 if you still like it, leave a proposal in #ubuntu-news you would like to contribute
User3: OK.
User1: User10 how to see if debian has the same version?
User10: User1 maybe show output of "dconf" as well.
User10: ..oin the bug report
User10: debian has https://packages.debian.org which works mostly the same way as ubuntu's, since ubuntu borrowed this from debian
User10: i.e. https://packages.debian.org/gnome-boxes
User1: User10 the output is described in the description, but only 2 lines, all the rest are the same lines spamming
User10: on your bug report, you showed the output of dconf-editor, not that of dconf, right?
User1: oh
User1: wich command on dconf?
User1: User10 bionics version is also: 3.28.1-1 dont see that one in debian?
User10: okay, don't file it against debian then
User1: k tnx
User10: dconf has get and dump commands, i think
User10: note how i suggested you cross test with dconf in #ubuntu ;)
User10: (i did not say "cross test" though)
User1: gotya
User1: User10 spitted out this: https://hastebin.com/dopamawoze.coffeescript
User10: User1 you're looking for key "collections"
User10: dconf doesn't seem to show it there, maybe its in a lower hierachy?
User10: maybe run   dconf list /org/gnome/boxes/
User10: this should list available targets there
User1: empty values
User10: hmm. i'm not really sure how this stuff works, i must admit
User1: nothing on dconf list /org/gnome/boxes/collections/ neither
User10: i guess it's more likely to be a bug in dconf-editor though if dconf itself doesn't throw any warnings when you're accessing the same schema
User10: ah maybe gsettings would be the right CLI utility to cross test with, not dconf
User10: try gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.boxes
User1: that seems to work
User1: User10 https://hastebin.com/piqerakozo.rb
User10: did it list the collections key including its values?
User10: same warning, ok
User10: so, yes, should be a gnome-boxes issue
User1: want me to add the output aswell?
User10: up to you ;-)  it's really using gio libs to access this data both times
User10: but developers may prefer CLI utils over GUI ones.
User1: well it looks useful info on all values
User10: maybe not gnome devs, though, not sure ;)
User1: updated bug #1837445
User12: bug 1837445 in gnome-boxes (Ubuntu) "Failed to parse translated string on dconf-editor launch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1837445
User10: nice. so now you just need to find a volunteer to handle this bug, or proove that it also exists in gnomes' gnome-boxes source code repository and maybe a volunteer or non-volunteer will handle it then. ;)
User1: yeah not much volunteers are using gnome boxes, think it was ruenoak saying he liked it
User1: plus, this might be the dutch part complaining too
User1: maybe the english version wont spit out
User10: "Most contributors to Boxes hang out at #boxes on irc.gnome.org. Contributors, users and developers are more than welcome to direct any questions there. Discussions also take place at our Mailing list. "
User10: from https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes/Resources
User1: aha
User1: whats that translate trick again to fool a language
User10: export LANGUAGE=C
User10: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-boxes/blob/master/po/nl.po is the dutch .po file
User1: bingo tomreyn
User1: the export trick doesnt give errors
User10: line 97
User10: i compared with de.po (german) and the syntax / format there is identical.
User10: so either multiple .po's are incorrect, or gio fails to parse this properly.
User1: maybe every non-english language will spam errors?
User10: you know how to test it
User1: no
User10: oh LANGUAGE=fr or something
User1: oh right
User10: you'd need to have the locale installed, thoough
User1: lets do that
User10: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
User10: and select the ones you want to test
User10: this will cause these selected locales to be generated for every software you have installed. can take a while
User10: i don't really know how to do it just for one application using ubuntu / debian tooling.
User1: added fr be
User1: and its reconfiguring the whole list
User10: so you should be able to get localized     apt update    output now
User10: (just an example)
User1: list still going :p
User10: yes, this can be some minutes
User1: *** update-locale: Warning: LANGUAGE ("nl_BE:nl") is not compatible with LANG (fr_BE). Disabling it.
User1: lol
User10: hmmm
User1: tryed DE or FR but stays english
User10: set LANG rather than LANGUAGE then
User10: example:   export LANG=nl_BE.UTF-8
User10: you may need to close and reopen the temrinal emulator window to reset it to the default LANG (or run export setting the default, if you know your default)
User10: you may need to close and reopen the temrinal emulator window to reset it to the default LANGUAGE (or run    export LANGUAGE=...    thus setting the default, if you know your default)
User10: ^ this
User1: whats the DE value
User10: DE is the ISO language code for german, but where did you spot this?
User1: locales -a
User10: "locale -a" would print it since it's an available locale in ubuntu, yes.
User1: doing something wrong i think
User10: actually,     locale -a     prints locales available on your system
User10: so you may have selected this one
User1: lotuspsychje@Rootbox:~$ export LANGUAGE=fr_FR dconf-editor
User1: bash: export: 'dconf-editor': is geen geldige naam
User1: not a valid name
User10: make this two commands
User10: either      LANGUAGE=fr_FR dconf-editor
User10: or     export LANGUAGE=fr_FR; dconf-editor
User10: the former runs only this command with the given environment variable set
User1: the later worked yeah
User1: dconf id in french now
User10: the latter sets this environment variable within the active shell session
User1: but no errors on french
User10: i.e. then it persists for commands run from this terminal / shell until you close the terminal emulator
User1: ok, german dont error neither
User10: hmm maybe it's just this one translation then that's buggy
User1: seems like it
User10: you can check the previous commits for nl.po in the git repo
User1: ill add the locales tests to the bug, tnx tomreyn
User10: yw
User7: Debian-Women, Debian-Transwomen and Debian LGBTQ meeting now
User3: I just saw that Bashing-om.
User3: And it's nice
User3: OK Bashing-om. I have to sleep now. Goodbye.
User3: OK
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