User1: Hey.  I just stumbled into #edubuntu-devel, which seems to have been unused for a couple years :)  Is this also the right forum for development questions?
User2: User1 yes, we only use #edubuntu nowadays
User3: hmm, daily builds are broken because of:
User3: The following packages have unmet dependencies: sabayon : Depends: gdm3 but it is not installable
User3: E: Broken packages
User2: fun
User3: sbalneav: does sabayon actually need gdm3 or would it be fine with gdm as well? I'll check with the desktop team anyway to see what the plan is for gsm in natty
User3: *gdm
User3: seb128 says that gdm 2.30 = gdm3 as it exists in debian, so we should patch it
User4: Is there a good book on Edubuntu?
User3: User4 unfortunately not
User4: Oh well.  Can't put that on my Christmas list then.
User3: :(
User3: hopefully next Christmas?
User4: Perhaps :-)
User4: Is it common (usual?) to configure one Ethernet interface for connection to the outside world and another for a LAN with graphical terminals on it?
User1: stgraber, Ah, thanks.  I'm collecting data on installation targets for each flavour.  Which are you guys planning to release with Natty?
User3: very common
User3: User4 it's how our default installation works if you choose to install ltsp from the installer
User4: User3 That's convenient.
User4: User3 does it ask me which interface is which?
User3: User4 it asks you which interface you want ltsp to 'listen' on, by default it selects eth1
User4: 'listen' for terminals?
User3: User4 it also shows you which interface is currently connected, so the connected one will have gotten a dhcp address somewhere, so you can use the unused one for ltsp
User3: User4 well, listen for dhcp requests, etc (but yes)
User3: User2 Rejected:
User3: Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main'.
User3: User2 isn't sabayon part of the edubuntu-dev packageset?
User5: hello.. i have a kingston dt/16gb flash drive that is recognized but keeps saying to format it
User2: User1 sorry, had a couple of meetings. What do you mean by installation targets ? architecture, kind of machine (laptop, netbook, ...) ?
User1: somewhere between architecture and subarchitecture.
User1: So, for maverick, You released i386, amd64, but not amd64+mac or any other architecture.
User3: User5 does it use the ntfs filesystem?
User4: brb, toast
User5: User3 can't seem to put any FS on it
User3: User5 what happens?
User2: User1 I'd guess we'll stick to i386 and amd64. Possibly amd64+mac though I only discovered about this sub-architecture a minute ago when you mentioned it ;)
User3: User2 me too :)
User5: User3 i have even tried to use test disk
User1: I don't know if we'll need that for natty: depends on whether the installer can be made to cope.  Who is the best contact to confirm the images are tested at each milestone?
User2: User1 highvoltage and I
User1: Both of you are required to ack, or either of you?
User2: either
User2: we are usually next to each other (at work or back home) so, no need to poke both of us ;)
User1: Thanks.  I'll report that, and if there are other x86 installation targets for natty, I'll let you know.
User2: great, thanks
User3: well, not *always* next to each other at home (just for the record!)
User2: hehe :)
User5: is there a channel for usb flash drive support?
 * persia departs before reading more disturbing things
User3: User5 #ubuntu might be of some use, the more details you can provide, the better though
User5: my poor 16gb drive is unusable
User4: User5 Does it have at least one partition on it?  With a filesystem?
User3: User5 that's terrible.
User5: User4 no ..
User4: User5 Can you create one?
User5: it's a new  drive and i have succesfully saved files on it and it was fine but now i check it and there is no partition
User5: User4 no i cannot.. i have tried fdisk in linux terminal and assigned partitions but when i "w" out it won't write to the disk
User5: but when i "v" verify it it shows the partition
User5: but then won't write when i "w" out
User4: It shows the one you created, or the one that was originally on there?
User5: the one i created
User5: start sector 1 and end sector 16000
User4: User5 Can you newfs/mkfs it?
User4: (Whatever the Linuxese is for that ;-)
User5: i tried mkfs .. but it won't put the file system on it
User4: Perhaps it's broken.
User5: it's brand new
User4: Perhaps it's broken.
User5: just used it a few times
User5: hmm
User4: Try formatting it on a nearby Mac or PC
User4: ...see if that helps.
User5: yep.. i tried on xp, vista, linux .. backtrack, systemrescuecd, ..
User3: User5 no one will be able to help you unless you paste the error message or what actually goes wrong
User4: User5 If it won't format on Windows or Linux, it's broken.  If it's new, return it to the vendor.
User4: If it's old, throw it away.
User5: ok.. let me gather the info.. coz i only have 2 usb working on this machine
User5: its brand new
User5: kingston datatraveler dt\16gb
User5: dt100
User5: http://paste.ubuntu.com/535640/
User5: User4 , highvoltage  as you can see from this pastebin that when i finalize with "w" to write and quit  the partition is no written
User4: Oh that's weird: I wonder why Linux fdisk calls it a disklabel.
User5: User4 . so.... what do you think is happening
User4: User5 try u, to create it in sectors.  Have it start at sector 32 and end at...
User5: i even used the t parameter to change to FAT32  but it is just not writing to the disk.. and i checked the "dmesg" and the disk is not write protected
User4: ...make it 3,275,780 sectors long
User4: ...and try making it ext3 instead of DOS
User3: User5 I'd suggest you try it with cfdisk -z on that disk and see if that works
User4: Hang on, that can't be right
User5: i've tried the "u" parameter and also the ext2, ext3, and others.. it just won't write to disk
 * ball is confused
User5: :-)
User4: Start: 32
User5: User3 i have not tried the cfdisk
User5: k
User4: Size: 32,767,968 sectors
User4: Hello HedgeMage
User6: hi :)
User4: I suspect you're overwriting your MBR
User4: ...because you didn't leave space for it
User5: ok
User4: ...depending on how Linux fdisk counts cylinders
User4: ...which is another reason to use sectors.
User4: (u command)
User5: let me try that
 * ball waves dd, menacingly.
User5: ball.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/535642/
User5: just won't write
User3: User5 sorry for stating the obvious, but have you checked if it has a write-protect button and if it's enabled?
User5: no button.. it just slides out of the case..  and i checked dmesg and the write protection is "off"
User5: i have written to this disk b4 sucessfully
User5: i mean disk=drive
User5: ball, highvoltage  i have to leave for an hour.. i'll be back. thanks for all the help
User4: User5 you didn't write a filesystem on it
User4: ...and it looks as though TestDisk blatted your partition
User4: Why not simply create the partition (looks like you did that part right) and then newfs it?
User4: (mkfs, whatever Linux calls that)
User4: mkext3fs ?
 * ball doesn't have a Linux box handy to check that on
User3: User4 the usb creator tool can take care of that as well
User4: User3 I'm not familiar with that.
User4: I think he created a perfectly good partition and then ruined it before even making a filesystem on it.
 * ball shrugs
User4: hello JanC!
User4: brb
User4: I'd best go to work I suppose.
User5: ball, highvoltage hello i'm back
User5: when i "w" out and try mkfs i get some kind of an error
User3: wb ubuntuuser
User5: says the disk has to be partitioned first..
User5: User3 thanks
User5: :)
User5: even though i just partitioned it and the fs states "83" which is a LInux fs
User5: then i tried "t" to change to "b" which is FAT32
User3: User5 what's the exact mkfs command you use?
User5: but can't get past the error
User3: User5 it's possible that you specified the disk instead of the partition
User3: User5 the disk will look something like /dev/sdc and the partition will be something like /dev/sdc1
User5: when you type "mkfs /dev/sdf" it gives the option
User3: User5 you'll have to use sdf1 instead of sdf to create a filesystem on a partition
User5: but when i type "mkfs /dev/sdf1" it states there is no partion
User5: partition
User3: User5 does cat /proc/partitions list the partition?
User5: i din't try that command but i went backc into fdisk and "p" to list the partions and there is no partition
User5: even though i just partitioned it
User3: User5 and have you tried cfdisk -z on that disk as I've suggested before?
User5: no .. that one thing i am not familiar with
User5: shall i try that
User5: ?
User3: User5 Yes.
User5: User3 how do i specify start sector and end sector in "sudo cfdisk -z /dev/sdf"?
User5: hello
User5: User3
User5: User3 are you there?
User5: i am probably doing something wrong on command line but i am wondering why  it is not working in "disk utility"
User5: ok.. i'll check with you later....
User5: thanks for all your   help
User3: oops, missed him
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