User1: User3 the nfs mount offers the cdrom image only
User2: User1 you want to unite a read-only NFS root with a ramdisk?
User3: lifeless, so you simply need ltsp with the chroot replaced by the iso image ?
User3: do you need to loop mount it before the nf export or do we have it mounted anywhere visible (below the union) ?
User3: s/nf/nfs/
User2: If you're talking about a read-only NFS root merged casper-style with a tmpfs ramdisk, debian-live currently does that, and I'm hassling Mithrandir to dupload my code so that feisty will do it, too.
User2: Currently, Ubuntu does not support it.
User3: twb, actually the spec was about providing ltsp from a livecd ...
User3: somehow it mutated ...
User2: OK, ignore me then.
User3: whyt lifeless wants to provide is not the unionfs merged piece but only the iso ...
User3: *what
User2: I see.
User3: so your clients boot the iso like its attached locally ...
User3: twb, yur code would enable real ltsp thin clients from liveCDs if i understand t right
User3: (which is a very bad idea wrt disk access ... apart from demoing with a single client)
User1: User3 I need what I've put together
User2: What my code does is allow up to, say, 100 1GHz diskless clients to boot from a single read-only NFS export.
User1: User2 yes, its casper. Read the spec
User2: And strictly speaking, it's not my code.
User2: Actually 100 is probably a rather modest ceiling for a 100baseT network.
User3: 100 1 Ghz clients ? from a single CDrom ?
User3: what kind of cdrom do you have attached there ? a 300x one ?
User2: User3 what CD-ROM?
User1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD
User2: It's NFS, not a CD.
User1: User2 ^ have you read that ?
User2: Oh, you want to boot the server off the same CD.  I"m not doing that.
User1: User2 eventually. Read the manual prototype down the bottom.
User3: its a liveCD with the opportunity to booot thin clients from
User1: User3 the point is that they are not regular thing clients, they are casper clients
User3: which turned into a liveCD with the opportunity to boot full diskless workstations from ;)
User3: lifeless, right
User1: User3 so you can boot the machine, and then install locally
User1: and dont need any writable network area
User3: yep understood
User1: now, in fact, for what I needed, booting the server off the ISO is irrelevant
User2: I don't understand why any of this is confusing.  I've been doing it with Knoppix for two years.
User1: but that spec was the best place to document what I did.
User1: User2 Its not confusing me ;)
User3: neither me :)
User2: I wish people wouldn't use unbound personal pronouns on wiki entries.
User2: "For linux.conf.au I setup a machine that shared out a liveCD, perhaps called a LiveNetboot ;)."
User1: User2 thats me, sorry.
User2: User1 were you the guy asking for g3 mac keyboards on the luv list?
User1: nope
User1: fixed that to say who I am ;)
User2: Good, good.
User3: twb, were you the guy i discussed the ltsp liveCD with one year ago in #ltsp ?
User2: I dunno
User2: Possibly.
User1: User3 where I'd like to go from here is getting all the software changes done, so that doing this manually is easy: merging casper changes, adding the udevtrigger too, fixing pxelinux GFXBOOT support
User3: look at ltsp-update-kernels for the pxe and tftp stuff
User2: User1 um, the syslinux people (who maintain pxelinux) are adamant that GFXBOOT is the devil, and you should use vesamenu instead.
User1: User3 then while its still not automated, as long as we include the relevant packages on the livecd, you can manually do livecd sharing at a conference starting with just a livecd and no net
User2: ...just FYI
User3: (and use a maintained tftp server :P)
User1: User2 I know
User1: User2 however, our isolinux is patched with gfxboot
User1: pxelinux shows splash screens ok, but doesn't show the graphical 'loading vmlinuz' progress bar
User3: well, it shouldnt be to had to have some hardcded things you can force through a bootoption to get a running tftp server that offers you netbooting
User2: User1 really? I couldn't get it that far.
User3: i heard grub2 should be able to do netboot but i never looked deeper ...
User1: User2 splash.rle and splash.pcx need to be in /
User2: User1 you mean in the tftp server's root directory?
User3: that should be able to give you the progress bar
User1: User2 yes
User2: i.e. /tftpboot, typically
User3: if thats no option you probably need to hack up gfxboot to be network aware
User2: I tried that and it still didn't work.
User2: ...IIIRC, anyway
User3: oh, please use FHS compliant dirs ...
User1: User2 try with the edgy syslinux package copy of pxelinux.0 perhaps
User3: /var/lib/tftpboot is the right one
User2: I apologize; I'm being forced to use RHEL against my will
User1: User2 its a single file :)
User1: User2 just copy it out ;)
User4: User5 hi, why do you ask about software-properties?
User4: User5 we do yes
User2: I tried it with the Debian syslinux package, because it was newer.
User1: User2 all I can say for sure is that if you follow the recipe I documented, it will work :)
User2: Fairy nuff.
User1: User3 gfxboot is a patch to syslinux, need to find why the patch is not affecting pxelinux.0, but syslinux FTBFS for me
User3: hmm
User3: i know cbx33 worked with bootmenus in PXE and syslinux, try to catch him tomorrow :)
User3: he probably knows more
User5: User4 since I am a co author. I offered you to write s-p in a desktop neutral way at Paris, since we reworked the user interface :)
User1: User3 I've worked with them before :).
User3: ltsp doesnt hide the uncompressing stuff ....
User1: User3 had the hardware build process for embedded routers running stripped woody driven completely via pxe
User3: it gets graphical once usplash kicks in
User5: User4 currently the code is very gtk centric.
User1: User3 do you have the splash screen ?
User1: User3 or no pretty stuff at all ?
User3: on my thin clients ? yes
User1: User3 yeah, the pxelinux one.
User3: all the pretty stuff :)
User1: User3 so you just dont have teh 'uncompressing progress bar' as a gui - you get ...... instead ?
User4: User5 times have changed a bit since paris, and the spec we were looking at then didn't happen, so for feisty the plan is to look at software-properties again
User3: if you boot a thin client, you see the PXE transfer and after thats done initramfs kicks in with usplash
User5: User4 So generally I could move all the GTK parts to a not yet existing class SoftwarePropertiesGtk and make it an inheritance of SoftwareProperties
User1: User3 right, we are agreeing vigourously
User3: yep
User4: User5 that sounds lovely
User4: User5 did manchicken contact you?
User5: User4 do should also correct the spec :) it talks about system-properties and not software-properties by the way :)
User5: User4 not yet. mvo told me about your plan
User4: User5 I blame mvo for not reviewing it properly :)
User5: User4 the alias sounds funny :)
User5: User4 so manchicken will do the python-qt part?
User4: User5 he's looking at it yes
User4: User5 he has commented that it's quite tied to GTK
User5: User4 Ii changed a lot in software-properties recently. but the new bits are only available in my local repository, since we need some new build deps in ubuntu before
User4: User5 you don't have a branch on launchpad?
User5: User4 the source tree of update-manager ist already splitted.
User5: User4 AFAIK there is not even yet a product for software-properties
User4: ah, well that's a good start at least
User4: User5 make one make one!
User3: isnt that part of synaptic ?
User4: User3 it only maskerades as a part of synaptic
User3: ah
User4: User3 synaptic in ubuntu uses software-properties if it's installed, else it uses its own editor
User5: User3 the source code of the software-properties is currently part of update-manager
User3: ah, right, update.manager, not synaptic ...
User5: User3 User4 there will be even a third package in the future: python-aptsources
User3: glatzor, btw there is a new g-ss package up ... i think we should put the debian dir into bzr and on LP ...
User5: it provides the abstraction of the sources.list
User3: yep, there is a spec for that
User5: User3 oh, I am not so familiar with the specs for feisty
User5: I mainly work on my stuff :)
User3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/software-channels
User5: User3 oh no. it abstracts the content of the sources. list :)
User5: this was a misunderstanding
User5: aptsources determines the current used distribution and which compoents and sub repository are used
User3: ah
User5: User4 in which time zone does manchicken live?
User3: woah, is there still the CC going on ? 
* mdke nods sadly
User6: win 103
User7: User3 Still a quarter of the member applicants to go through
User8: whoa.
User8: 103?
User8: that's serious business
User4: User5 US I think
User3: mdke, well, there was a significant backlog ...
User8: yeah
User9: User10 are these "usbdev...resume from 0, parent...still 2" messages normal?
User9: User10 I see them when hibernating my thinkpad
User3: the marketing gods might know :P
User5: User4 I hope that I can work on the desktop neutrality of software-properties next week. so it would be nice if manchicken could get into contact with me.
User5: bye
User4: gnomefreak: great, I'll poke him
* okaratas iyi geceler..
User10: User9 Never seen them before
User4: cjwatson, User21 fix to casper-reconfigure works well
User9: User10 OK, dmesg via mail or bug?
User10: User9 bug, to make sure I don't let it get lost in my inbox
User9: User10 bug 78634
User11: Malone bug 78634 in linux-source-2.6.20 "usbdev4.1_ep00: PM: suspend 0->1, parent usb4 already 2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78634
User10: User9 Thanks
User12: hey.. does anyone know of any Xwin equivalent of the console "dialog" command?
User13: User12 zenity?
User12: User13 hmmm.. looks like wht i'm looking for .. tnx :)
User14: time to sleep
User15: anyone around?
User16: Somewhat.
User17: not that I know of
User15: i thought MOTU's were supposed to be able to post to ubuntu-devel
User17: they should be
User15: i've just got an email that my message is waiting to be moderated
User17: but I think you have to use your preffered email on LP
User15: you're kidding...right?
User17: no
User15: you should be able to use any email that's linked to your gpg key
User15: i cant put my standard @ubuntu.com ro @kubuntu.org address in as the preferred address, because then LP breaks.
User17: I think it uses your preferred email, but I could be wrong
User17: actually, I'm not sure that it does break, now
User17: I haven't tried to email -devel so I don't know if mine works either
User17: cause I'm in the same situation you are in
* ajmitch just doesn't post to -devel
User17: me neither
User15: oh *neat*
* Hobbsee merges the two launchpad accounts
User17: you have 2?
User15: yes, hobbsee and hobbsee-ubuntu, as i had to take the @ubuntu.com address out of my normal account, but used it to uplaod
User2: Hmm, does casper clobber /etc/nsswitch.conf?
User2: ...or maybe my code isn't writing to it properly :-/
User1: User2 it shouldn't. You can see all of casper in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/
User18: morning
User15: morning fabbione!
User18: yo yo
User2: Has anyone gotten ldap authentication working on top of an netbooting casper system?
User19: Good morning
User16: 'ning
User20: :]
User18: User21 i am doing a refresh of some cluster packages. They are not critical for Herd 2 so they can just wait in the queue.
* jdub hugs fabbione
User18: hey jdub 
* fabbione hugs jdub too
User18: User23 how is your sparc treating you?
User21: User4 rolling you new livefs-es.
User22: good morning
User21: User4 new -desktop images ready for you
User20: :)
User2: User21 nag, nag
User21: User2 thanks.
User23: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzDN3YPucpU
User20: User23 Serious spamming going on in #ubuntu. You have ops :P
User18: User23 <no comment/>
User18: User20 who is spamming?
User20: [04:40]   [Infeliz]  (walterlambert@example.net): Kimmo Suokas
User20: [04:41]   [alumno03]  (walterlambert@example.net): alumno03
User20: [04:41]   It appears alumno01 and alumno02 are the same people as alumno03
User20: [/snippet from -ops]
User24: User18 what's the process for getting channel ops?
User18: User24 no idea.. i was given..
* mneptok could have dealt
User20: User18 and Infeliz was swearing and telling people to stfu and stuff
User18: User20 did he stop?
User24: User18 mind throwing me a +o until one of the regular ops unidles?
User20: fabbione, He was just doing it minutes ago.
User18: User24 walterlambert@example.net.. not sure chanserv will allow you
User24: User18 we'll see. i'll annoy Seveas later.
User24: (well, "annoy more than usual")
User18: there
User20: Awesome. Thanks a bunch fabbione
User18: np
User24: User18 thanks. i'll keep watch until one of the regulars unidles.
User18: User24 sure.. no problem man
User24: grazie, padrone :)
User18: User24 non c'e' problema consigliere... e' tutto in famigghia
User24: si ;)
User25: 18:38 < nixternal> User25 the Ubiquity crash bug I filed that you just fix released (thanks btw), is this tied to the issue I have with alternate CDs not mounting the CDROM?
User25: nixternal: no, different bug
User25: User4 casper-reconfigure> excellent
User23: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ113000uQg <-- the warty dance
User19: User26 there is no edgy-updates tarball for today
User26: let me check...
User26: User19 I think it's still running...
User18: User23 OH MEN
User19: User26 oh
User19: User26 shall I move the cronjobs to a later hour then? It currently runs at 0700 rookery time
User26: User19 yeah, still running
User19: User26 alright, will check later then; thanks
User26: User19 I don't really know why... I have mine running at 8:45 (it should be rookery time too)
User18: User23 how drunk were we?
User19: User26 oh, then I better move it to 1000 or so, otherwise I'll always use an old tarball
User26: User19 let me check again when the DB is ready and I will move my script start
User19: User26 that's even better; thanks
User26: User19 atm, Edgy tarball finishes around 9:30
User20: Is that mdz in the middle?
User18: User20 yes
User24: that cross-dressing woman on the right is *hot*
* mneptok towels off
User18: User24 ahaha
User20: It is really too bad that I don't have sound with flash :/
User20: User23 Whose the girl in the Ubuntu Videogram Screentest?
User23: User20 you're not willing to guess? :)
User24: "Flash technolgies allow the seamless delivery of media-rich content to an arbitrary selection of platforms!"
User24: PIA! *WAUGH*!
User20: User23 I rather not, lol
User24: *F I N I S H   H I M*
User25: User21 ubiquity's in the queue now
User21: User25 excellent.  I'll byhand the publisher once this run finishes.
User23: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoqZEZuUzhI <- hotel at first super secret debian startup meeting :-)
User20: ...
User21: User19 is the new gnome-mount needed for herd 2?  It doesn't look like it.
User19: User21 no, not crucial, thus I didn't ping you
User19: but I wanted to upload it so that I don't forget it
User19: can't hurt, of course, fixes two bugs
User21: oh, sure, it might be useful, but I'll leave it for now
User19: ack
User18: User25
User18: * Track silo-installer 1.07ubuntu2 changes (install device2obp, tweak
User18: PATH).
User18: is there anything i can do in silo-installer to make it less manual for you?
User20: It appears the gtk2.0+ update has some serious regressions
User20: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/78665
User11: Malone bug 78665 in gtk+2.0 "FEISTY: libgtk2.0 upgrade broke things in gtk apps such as mousepad and gedit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
User26: User19 I'm running my script now at 6:00
User26: that should be 6:00 UTC
User26: 2 hours and 45 earlier than before
User22: User21 the libgda2 is not urgent
User21: kthx.
User22: on the ppc server cd it fails to mount the CD :-(
* dholbach tries ppc install
User25: User18 not really; I generally have to track changes to included source packages in ubiquity. it's not a problem
User18: User25 ok.
User21: User22 that's fixed in the new d-i upload, but something went screwed there between the package and the archive, so building CDs fail on i386.
User22: User21 ahh thanks. I'll install edgy for now, so mvo can do some tests and try herd2 tomorrow again
User19: btw, folks, I have been on ISDN all the day, so I cannot help with CD testing today; I'll start doing so as soon as my main network is back (I reported the problem this morning)
User27: Xubuntu daily-live i386 worked fine, except bug #77978
User11: Malone bug 77978 in ubiquity "Crash before partitioning" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77978
User28: User21 we do not test the server in Testing/Current ?
User29: where would be the right place to talk about backports especially prevu ?
User21: User28 we don't?  It's on the list, see ubuntu 10, 11, 11.1
User28: oh, sorry
* mvo goes and adds a server-upgrade test as well
User21: :-)
User20: gpocentek, Do you know why there isn't there an Xubuntu test page?
User27: User20 because we didn't wrote it?
User20: We're so slack ;]
User27: :)
User25: User27 d'oh, thanks
User25: User21 fix for 77978 is needed for Herd 2 IMO
User20: gpocentek, I'm going to whip something up
User25: User21 so I wouldn't stress about publishing the current ubiquity in accepted
User27: User20 thanks!
User21: User25 oh well, ok.
User21: User25 can you do the fix and get it uploaded then?
User21: I'll just turn the publisher back on auto again.
User25: yeah, working on it
User30: User19 Hello. I found your contact info via launchpad. Would you possibly be able to review and give your opinion on apache2 bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/62748 when you have a moment? Thanks!
User11: Malone bug 62748 in subversion "2.0.55-4ubuntu4 update causes svn failure" [Undecided,Confirmed]
User19: User30 not really my speciality (rather Mithrandir's), but I can have a look
User30: ah, right, just found you as uploader. Thanks for looking, though
User19: well, I was the poor soul that requested the sync, yes :)
User25: blink, something's very weird with python's tarfile module
User25: User21 this d-i unpack thing is reproducible
User21: User25 crack.
User21: just what we needed.  Good thing it's not release. :-)
User25: tar.list() genuinely does stop at that point
User25: there's another bug in the d-i handler I've noticed, but that's not this problem
User19: last time I reported a tarfile bug upstream, it got fixed within a day, but I guess that doesn't really help us now
User21: I wonder why this suddenly surfaced with ubuntu10.
User25: possibly because the names all got longer
User25: the tar format gets strange for long names
User25: well, I say "the" tar format. pick one.
User21: no longer than debian-installer_20060711ubuntu13, which presumably worked.
User25: might have been an upgrade since then? dunno
User21: oh, true, drescher was dapperised some time back, wasn't it?
User25: I'm waiting for it to download so that I can test it a bit more thoroughly
User19: User30 doesn't tell anything to me; is it still an issue in feisty with apache 2.2?
User25: User21 I'd suggest leaving the publisher on byhand for the moment, TBH
User30: I don't know. I don't really have a spare machine around to install feisty on to check.
User21: User25 ok, disabled again
User30: As far as the launchpad bug is concerned, I was really hoping for some sort of semi-official comment along the lines of "This is bad, we'll consider an edgy update" or "Oops, but we don't have the resources to test a stable update properly now that the world has moved on to apache 2.2"
User25: User30 I'd consider that for a stable update, if a core developer took it up and ran with it
* cjwatson <- stable update approver
User22: User21 the vte update is nice to have, but not urgent either
User25: User21 ubiquity 1.3.10 in unapproved
User30: In an ideal world, there'd be an apache2 stable update, but I can certainly respect that re-familiarising with apache 2.0 in order to do the necessary testing might be more trouble than it's worth. Either way it'd be nice to have an acknowledgement in the bug noting what the decision is.
User21: User25 accepted; I'll byhand the publisher now
User4: User21 the CD build this morning didn't do kubuntu feisty desktop i386?
User21: User4 no, we found an interesting bug in python which made it blow up.
User21: User4 and ubiquity went AWOL in the queue, so until that's published, no need to test.
User19: User26 no ru tsclient.po in today's edgy-updates tarball :(
User31: User21 before I close bug #78550: are you happy with the description now?
User11: Malone bug 78550 in gnome-chemistry-utils "incorrect description" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78550
User26: User19 fucking cache bug...
User26: User19 let me check with danilo whether he fixed that bug. I thought that wouldn't affect us, but seems like I'm wrong...
User21: User31 sure, looks good to me
User15: User21 blowing up python bugs?  COOL!!!
User20: gpocentek, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current
User31: User21 could you please give-back gchempaint? thanks
User21: User15 you have to love the tar file formats.
User15: User21 yep :P
User21: User31 given-back.
User21: User15 who needs more than 100-char long file names anyway?
User15: User21 hehe, exactly
User15: is jono the only moderator for ubuntu-devel?
User32: no, the whole distro team is
User15: oh right.  if they could approve my post, i'd be greatful
User33: User21 what is the canonical place to notify people to start testing new builds? the wiki page, this chan?
User33: I mean Herd candidates
User26: User19 could you wait until tomorrow to do the language pack upload?
User19: User26 sure
User26: User19 seems like later today, the cache problem would be deployed in the server where we generate language packs
User26: so tomorrow you would get fixed language packs
User19: User26 ok, I'll check out tomorrow's
User21: User33 I tend to ask for testing here, but it's not an ideal place.
User21: User15 approved.
User26: User19 thank you
User33: User21 perhaps we need a testing-announce list
User15: User21 thanks.  i'm still figting with LP over emails, and accepted stuff.
User27: User20 great, thanks
User15: User21 apparently not all the addresses on the keys of -dev and -core-dev are allowed to post, just those in LP
User21: User33 email is kinda async, often images are like "please test $image" then five minutes later "or not, it's broken like $blah".
User33: right
User33: User21 the testing wiki page is kept reasonably up to date though right?
User20: gpocentek, np
User33: It should in theory always list the latest candidates
User21: User33 yes.
User21: User33 but it sometimes (like now) lists candidates that, well, aren't.  If people start caring about the versions there and taking them as cues to when to begin testing, I'll try to remove versions when they're known-broken
User33: cool, or mark them as known broken in some way until a new one is actually built, whatever
User20: User32 Is there anyway I could check the status of my rt ticket?
User32: User20 the RT interface isn't public I'm afraid, but you can ask a sysadmin, here on #canonical-sysadmin
User3: Mithrandir, is there a blocking reason why there are no new edubuntu isos or are they just not there because i didnt request them yet ?
User21: User3 they're not there because d-i is fucked ATM.  I could spin you livefs-es.
User21: (that was a question even with the lack of a question mark)
User3: if they are known to be half way sane
User21: I believe they are
User3: then shoot :)
User21: running
User25: er
User25: User21 Edubuntu needs the same ubiquity fix as is pending publication now ...
User25: so livefses will need to be rebuilt anyway
User25: User21 d-i is happy now
User25: modulo mirroring and stuff
User3: Mithrandir, uhm ... seems my edubuntu-meta upload from yesterday didnt end up on the CD ...
User3: colins daily CD report still shows schooltool and lilo as broken ...
User25: did you get a mail acknowledgement for it
User3: drop the CDs for now, i have to look whats wrong after the edubuntu meeting
User25: ?
User3: i got an accepted mail ...
User3: To: 	walterlambert@example.net, walterlambert@example.net
User3: Subject: 	Accepted edubuntu-meta 1.23 (source)
User25: it should end up on the next round of CDs, then
User25: might not have been in the previous round, but that isn't important
User3: looked fine to me
User21: User25 press reload in your web browser.
User21: s/cjwatson/ogra/
User21: User25 ah, point.
User3: Mithrandir, i'm getting the cd healthreport by mail ...
User25: User3 the mailed report was based on CDs that don't matter any more
User3: ah, ok
User25: who cares if it wasn't on the *last* one :-)
User34: User21 is it known that kubuntu daily-live i386 is missing?
User3: then ignore my previous words :)
User25: User34 yes
User21: User34 yes, it's a python bug which made a d-i upload blow up.
User25: User34 it should be fixed very shortly
User34: User25 ok, no pb will download then later
User33: User4 are you using this page for testing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Current or just https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current
User15: User33 which one's better for us to use?
User33: I'd like to put them all on the form https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current/*buntu
User33: so there is some consistency
User15: User33 sure, OK
User33: I'll move it there and just put a forward
User33: User4 please ACK when you are around ^
User4: User33 second one
User4: User33 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current is the one I'd expect to be used
User33: User4 ok, I'm about to splitt that up into separate *buntus
User15: User4 i suspect that we're all using different sections of the wiki :P
User33: which is bad :)
User4: User33 good with me
User33: ok, cool
User21: User15 the tuxguitar licence bug seems to have been fixed in Debian, so feel free to reask for a sync.
User15: User21 right
User29: is this the right place to talk about backports especially prevu ?
User35: User29 probably fair enough, but you need jdub
User35: ugh
User35: you need jdong
User29: jdub?
User35: no.
User29: is that a package?
User35: jdong is the person behind prevu
User36: jdong is a person
User29: ah
User29: sorry
User29: my bad
User37: ppor jdong ;)
User37: *poor
User29: sorry i didn't know :S
User23: heh
User15: User29 jdong.  and not here.  we dont deal in prevucrack here
User15: :)
User29: wibble
User15: wobble
User36: hobbsee: I thought prevucrack was official stuff now
User15: User36 i never heard that
User36: official tool of the official backports team ;)
User15: ah
User15: dunno about that
* Hobbsee isnt on that team
User36: either way, seems harmless enough
User36: it just automates what the backports team does anyway, it doesn't hack packages to work on older versions or anything
User15: User33 i moved the content of /testing/kubuntu/current to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current/Kubuntu - hope that's what you wanted to do
User15: User36 true.  i've just seen people attempt to backport crack with it :P
User15: like, dbus, then whine that the deps dont work
User36: but that crack ftbfs so it's all good :)
User33: User15 Yes, I was merging if from Testing/Current too. I think we even had an edit conflict :)
User36: someone i know tried using it to backport hal and dbus and rhythmbox to dapper for ipod support
User15: User33 argh, sorry!
User15: User36 yeah.  silly people.
User33: np
User15: User36 and someone tried to backport the feisty kernel to dapper with prevu
User36: *headdesk*
User38: rofl
User15: hehe
User15: hey thom
User15: User36 which is why i would suggest that they should have kept prevu private
User36: as long as it doesn't _do_ it i don't see the harm
User36: i think the hope is people will try it on their own before filing a bug asking for it
User25: it can't without archive admin approval, which wouldn't be given
User15: User25 was that related to kernels and the like?
User15: User36 true.
User36: although if they do that and it works i bet they wouldn't file a bug
User15: evening sabdfl
User25: User15 regarding direct uploads from prevu to *-backports
User25: i.e. Amaranth's comment "as long as it doesn't _do_ it"
User15: User25 ahh, right
User39: hi Hobbsee
User15: :)
User23: User39 oh, you might dig some of the old school videos i put up on youtube -> youtube.com/jeffwaugh
User23: happy memories
User40: http://foodfight.org/movies/Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/Jeff%20Waugh.ogg
User23: oh yeah!
User23: dude, can i put that up?
User23: it'll go well with the other one :)
User40: User23 sure
User39: User23 damn, that JUST PLAYED!
User39: (plus it's a cool vid ;-))
User23: i think that's 'cos treenaks has something special on his site -- cortado?
User40: User23 no
User40: User23 it's just ogg files with the right mime-type
User39: is that some sort of feisty ogg player plugin we install?
User23: ah, so it does the proper totem plugin foo
User23: yes, totem is now fully awesome
User40: User39 There is a totem-firefox-plugin thing that works really great in edgy (and feisty) for me
User23: it mimics quicktime and wmp
User23: RAW POWER.
User40: I'm having some sound problems on amd64 though
User40: But that bug is going to be fixed :)
User21: *sigh*; powerpc still oversized.
User41: (msg sabdfl there?
User41: :)
* Mithrandir wonders what he should throw off the PPC CD.
User15: User21 the biggest package?
User21: User15 ooo? :-P
User15: User21 there's a good start
User15: User21 the logic being, that if you throw off one of the biggest ones, you wont have to deal with ppc being oversized again for a long while :D
User21: User15 that's a nice theory.
User23: User40 hrm, what's the original date on that sucker? :)
User21: User25 got any suggestions?  I've gone through the list of changes from herd1 and there's nothing which has really changed there, just new versions, etc.
User21: alex-weej: it has not been announced, but my personal guess is no.
User24: alex-weej: the official Canonical crystal ball is out being cleaned ATM ;)
User24: (even though it is)
User24: oops. inside voice, mnep. :/
User15: User24 even though it is what?
User38: hah.
User24: User15 a "bedroom project," Miss Sexy.
* mneptok woggles an eyebrow at Hobbsee
User40: User23 probably 2005-10-18 (as it was my birthday..)
User15: User24 oh, right.  thought you were saying it was a LTS.
User15: User24 and no, i'm not interested in your bedroom.
User24: it is, if LTS = Let's Talk *SEXY*!
User24: User15 you are obviously a woman of taste and discretion ;)
User15: User24 :P indeed
* mneptok weeps gently
User23: User40 :)
User15: poor mneptok
User24: User15 my cup of insincerity is already full, but thanks anyway :)
User15: :P
User24: User23 ping
User23: User24 pong
User24: User23 mind a /query ?
User23: User24 ok
User25: alex-weej: no future LTS schedule has been set yet
User21: please test i386 and amd64 alternate ubuntu cds.
User21: (PPC is going for a respin soon)
User19: User4 I'm sure that there was a bug for the recent 'hal upgrade kills automounting for users with the 3rd party KDE packages'. bug 74236 is a dup of that, but I cannot find the original one; do you happen to know it?
User11: Malone bug 74236 in hal "Kubuntu: HAL doesn't automount USB devices on KDE 3.5.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74236
User4: User19 https://launchpad.net/bugs/72869
User11: Malone bug 72869 in kdebase "Latest hal update breaks USB stick mounting in kubuntu dapper kde 3.5.5" [Undecided,Confirmed]
User4: User19 I did make an updated hal version for that archive but the guy who was poking me never got back to confirm it
User19: User4 ah, splendid; thank you!
User42: is there any way to start f-spot without dbus?
User21: -desktop and -alternate ready, all arches.
User21: User4 doing kubuntu live ISOs now, livefs-es built fine
User21: User3 building edubuntu livefs-es now.
User3: yay
User3: alternate isos would also be fine if they work now ...
User21: User3 yeah, going to once the kubuntu live ones are finished.  No point in competing for IO on lithium
User3: yep
User3: i didnt want to be pushy ;)
User43: User29 if you still need to talk about prevu, we can take it to #ubuntu-motu
User29: thanks jdong
User21: User4 shiny new -desktop images for you
User4: ooh, thanks Mithrandir
User44: User19 it looks like there is no -dbgsym for -proposed, is that a known "could be better"? ;)
User43: what are the chances that feisty's HAL would work with Edgy?
User43: I wanna test the patch for bug 60989 but don't have a feisty install on the particular machine
User11: Malone bug 60989 in hal "HAL reports incorrect battery percentages" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60989
User21: User4 shiny alternate too.
User21: User3 edubuntu install spinning
User4: bling bling
User15: bling!
User21: User3 install CDs for you; please test.
User45: Heya
User33: User21 Mind if I move the Ubuntu matrix to a sub-page too or is this a bad time?
User21: User33 feel free
User45: User21 Hi, sorry bug you again, but I'm not sure if you ever got a chance to get back to me about what to do about libparagui?
User21: User45 you need to make sure the LGPL and the GPL are in the orig.tar.gz.
User21: easiest way is to get upstream to add them
User45: That's what I was afraid of.  Thanks.  They just need to add it to COPYING?
User21: iirc, the copying file there was nonexistent or just contained the gpl blurb, didn't it?
User45: Aye, just gpl
User19: User43 just building the source on edgy should work
User21: if it goes in a new file or COPYING or LICENCE or something else isn't something I care that much about.  The main point it needs to be there.
User19: User44 it seems that the relevant buildd chroot does not have pkg-create-dbgsym installed
User21: User3 live images ready too
User44: User19 iz infinity bog then? ;)
User19: User44 yes
User44: ok, ta
User46: Mithrandir, TA, rsyncing ...
User43: User19 ok, cool, thanks
User43: -> Cannot install libvolume-id-dev;
User43: what's the edgy name for that again?
User43: libvolumeid-dev, nvm
User47: User44 Have you seen the mails between Tim Mueller and me ?  I wondered if you had a comment about what order to ship this stuff in.
User48: User21 please respin xubuntu (daily + daily-live) at your convenience, thank you
User44: User47 hi, yes, I've read those mails. The logical order seems to be to patch gstreamer0.10 and gst-plugins-base0.10 fisrt. Then g-a-i, totem, etc can be updated
User44: no?
User43: User19 the hal patch works, awesome :)
User19: User43 !
User19: User43 that's great
User4: User21 the kubuntu desktop CDs don't seem to have cjwatson's casper patch
User44: User49 around?
User43: User19 heck yeah, you bet it is :) no more rebuilding hal for us :)
* pitti smells a backport coming
User43: User19 is the patch trivial enough for a SRU?
User19: User43 not really trivial
User44: User47 we should probably do a CVS snapshot for gstreamer and gst-plugins-base0.10, that's the easiest way
User43: :(
User43: User19 how often does HAL get hit with some sort of security bug
User44: User47 we will have new version before feisty so that's not an issue to have a snapshot packaged for now
User19: User43 no security updates so far
User43: ok, cool
User43: well, it needed a libvolumeid-dev build-dep rename
User43: so a developer has to upload it to edgy-backports
User19: User43 but the issue is that intrusive patches need proper testing, so if you think about sneaking in the patch into some security update, I have to disappoint you
User43: no, I wasn't thinking to sneak it into a security update
User43: I was more weighing on the risks of backporting it
User19: ah, I see
User19: User43 I can add the alternative build-dep if you want me
User43: User19 yes, that'd be very helpful, thanks :)
User19: User43 I have some fixes pending in bzr head anyway, I'll upload them after the herd-2 freeze
User43: cool
User47: User44 OK.  Do you want to do that or do you want to leave it to me ?  If you have a standard approach it's probably better if you do it, but I'm happy to attack it myself.
User31: User21 Please give-back kdesvn. Thanks
User47: OK, I give up.  How do I do, in Python, the equivalent of strtoul(,,0) ?
User19: User43 libvolume-id-dev | libvolumeid-dev -> that looks correct?
User44: User47 I can do it
User47: User44 Thanks very much.
User44: np
User43: User19 yes sir
User44: I've to upload the libgimme-codec thing too
User47: Do we have local patches to gstreamer packages ?
User15: who would i ask about libdvdread3?
User47: We need to add dh_gstscancodecs to gstreamer-tools.
User47: dh_gstscancodecs> currently sat around on my disk here.
User19: User43 committed; thanks for testing!
User43: no prob :)
User4: User31 what's up with kdesvn?
User49: User44 one moment
User14: User15 ask and see who answers? :-)
User44: User47 not that many, we have a few of them for ltsp and sinks priorities to use by example
User44: adding a new patch is fine
User31: User4 the last try to build failed because subversion was old
User44: User47 could you mail me that patch?
User47: User44 OK.
User46: seb128, i belive the ltsp gstreamer patches are actually dropped now ...
User15: User14 true.  trying to see if there's any interest in it.  (keeping one of our patches, instead of saying "if you want libdvdcss2, use an unofficial repo, like debian multimedia)
User14: User15 I like that script back fwiw ;-)
User46: (if now, we can drop them as soon as pulse is approved for main and moved)
User44: User46 that was some random example, the point is that we have a few patches and having an extra one is no problem :)
User46: s/now/not/
User46: seb128, yeah ...
User49: ogra_, User44 the only patches left are priority setting of sinks... i.e. pulse > alsadmix > esd > alsa ...
User15: User14 me too -but i didnt want to reintroduce it without someone saying something about it first.  besides, i'd need a sponsor
User44: User49 ok
User46: slomo, well, i'm not yet sure if i use plain pulse or pulses alsa emulation layer for ltsp ... probably the pulse stuff can be dropped as well
User49: oh, and a patch for biarch by doko
User44: User49 ok
User47: User44 YHM.
User49: User46 well it makes sense this way even if you don't use pulse imho... as people who have pulse isntalled will get this used, other's don't see a difference
User48: User46 I'd have a wishlist request for pulse that I'll work on shortly (fixing .desktop Comments and) possibly hiding the unnecessary components
User47: User44 Also we have to change some of the gstreamer plugin packages to call dh_gstscancodecs.
User46: crimsun, great ...
User47: The only one which g-a-i can install atm is -ugly, and I have a tiny diff for that.  Do you want that too ?
User50: dh_getscancodecs... yummy
User44: User49 we need CVS snapshots for gstreamer0.10 gst-plugins-base0.10 and some patching, I'll work on that if that's fine with you
User47: s/getscan/gstscan/
User46: slomo, well, i'm only saying that i wont be the one that forces the patches to stay for ltsp :)
User44: User47 yes please
User49: User44 sure, that's fine
User48: User46 how does hiding the menu entries for most desktop entries (since one really only needs the applet) sound to you?
User44: User49 ok, thank you
User46: crimsun, how evil do you consider using /etc/asound.conf with
User46: pcm.!default {
User46: type pulse
User46: }
User46: ctl.!default {
User46: type pulse
User46: }
User46: ??
User46: crimsun, sounds good ...
User49: User44 but be aware that the cvs snapshots use -Werror... might be that stuff fails to build on some archs or after some random library update, no idea
User48: User46 not at all evil; that's what I added (well, per-user) to asoundconf in the most recent alsa-utils upload
User47: User44 Oh, re that patch: since it edits a Makefile.am you have to run automake too.
User46: ah, cool but we wont have a package providing a system /etc/asound.conf ?
User44: User49 don't worry, I've already packaged CVS snapshots and that's feisty, we can fix things ;)
User47: User44 But the patch I sent you doesn't include the results of running automake.
User48: User46 currently we don't; asoundconf only touches per-user asoundrcs and not the system-wide /etc/asound.conf
User44: User47 ok, noted
User46: crimsun, perfect ... then ltsp-client can install it in the client chroot and i'm set :)
User48: User46 great :)
User48: User46 oh, that will require the promotion of libasound2-plugins, btw
User46: oki, i'll wirte a MIR
User48: great, thanks!
User46: *write
User47: User44 YHAM
User46: crimsun, eeek ... "Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.12), libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1), libjack0.100.0-0 (>= 0.101.1) ..."
User48: User46 hmm, that's kinda nasty, since it pulls in libjack0.100.0-dev
User46: can we compile it without jack without breaking it ?
User44: User47 "YHAM"? what does that one mean? ;)
User48: User46 we could try dropping the jack plugin
User46: i'll do a test compile if i'm done with iso testing
User47: You Have Another Mail :-).
User44: ah ok ;)
User47: User44 Thanks for your help.
User44: np
User22: can we make a new policy: everybody who uses an abbreviation and it's not in /usr/bin/wtf will patch bsdgames to include it? ok? ;-)
User44: I'll have a look on that and let you know if I need anything else
User47: User44 Right.
User47: User44 (I'm not very IRC-attentive right now so if you don't get me on IRC try email or feel free to phone 781.425.2747 and we can continue on IRC or I can phone you back.)
User44: iwj; ok, noted, thank you
User14: User22 is it in universe? ;-)
User22: User14 yes
User14: nice :-)
User46: feisty-live-i386.iso            10-Jan-2007 14:42  699M
User46: geez, i didnt even notice that ... living on the edge :)
User48: User46 http://www.sh.nu/~crimsun/alsa-plugins/alsa-plugins_1.0.13-3ubuntu1_source.changes  (builds & works fine)
User46: crimsun, do you think we need to split the package to still provide an libasound2-plugins-jack ?
User46: or do we simply not care ?
User46: (i personally don care, but ubuntustudio might get unhappy)
User33: User43 see new version of the testing guide
User33: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=331123
User48: User46 I'll have a chat with the ubuntustudio folks; I don't see the jack alsa-lib plugin being all that serious since jackd -d alsa -d hw:foo would be used anyway, bypassing said plugin
User46: ah, cool ...
User47: Today's my day for programming questions.  Maybe some pygtk expert can help me.  I have a program which is basically a subclass of SimpleGladeApp.  I want to be able to set it to be transient for some other application whose XID I know.
User47: I can find the gtk.Window for the application and call set_transient_for, but gtk.Window.set_transient_for expects a gtk.Window.
User47: I can make a gtk.gdk.Window out of an XID with gtk.gdk.window_foreign_new.
User47: But I don't seem to be able to (1) find the gtk.gdk.Window inside a gtk.Window or (2) construct a gtk.Window which is just a wrapper around a gtk.gdk.Window.
User19: jc-denton: you need a matching initramfs
User19: jc-denton: or additionally compile in the file systems you need
User19: jc-denton: but that's really an #ubuntu question, btw
User19: jc-denton: please look at update-initramfs(8) and followup in #ubuntu
User25: User47 (1) there's a gtk.gdk.Window for each widget, so it's listed in the gtk.Widget docs
User25: User47 .window attribute on the widget (including the top-level gtk.Window if you like)
User25: User47 for (2), gtk.Plug may help, although I don't recall whether set_transient_for works properly with a Plug as the parent; try it and see :-)
User25: but certainly Plug is the way to get at window IDs from other processes in terms of GTK widgets
User25: but failing that, perhaps w.window.set_transient_for(gtk.gdk.Window) will DTRT well enoughh
User47: gtk.Widget.window> Oh, yes, that's exactly what I want.
User25: enough
User47: I think it will, yes.
User47: Plug is obviously not the right answer.  If I tell it to make the window transient for a Plug then it'll probably eat its own small intestine after crawling through the large intestine.
User47: spammers--
User25: giggle, although Plug is not entirely broken since ubiquity uses it
User25: I have seen transience issues there, but it was the other way round - I was trying to make child windows of the Socket end up properly transient on the Plug
User47: I had to call w.realize() but that hardly seems too bad.
User51: User47 SoftwareProperties.py has a example for the tranisent stuff you need, but it seems you have figured it all out already :)
User48: User46 splitting the source is my recommended approach upon consultation with the UbuntuStudio and JACK devs (to avoid a feature regression)
User21: User4 that'd be weird
User4: User21 the alternate CD says no kernel modules found
User52: hi all
User21: User4 are you sure you're grabbing the latest ones?
User52: where can i find ubuntu kernel patches?
User52: i mean the patches that ubuntu ships with its kernel
User53: MagiqueM, www.kernel.org/git/
User52: thanks a lot
User52: that page takes a lot to load :)
User4: User21 definately synced to daily/current and daily-live/current
User4: User21 casper-reconfigure still has "echo "$0: package '$package' is not installed" without the needed redirect
User4: User21 I don't see an upload of casper in feisty-changes
User21: nobody has asked for an upload of casper; I saw you needed a new ubiquity.
User52: User53 it tells me "Generating......" but nothing happens
User52: nor www.kernel.org works :(
User4: User21 kubuntu (and xubuntu I guess) need cjwatson's latest change to casper, could you upload it?
User21: User4 which bug # is this?
User4: User21 it doesn't have a bug number as far as I know
User53: MagiqueM, try www2.kernel.org/git
User21: User4 what's the bug, then?
User4: User21 if casper-reconfigure is called on a package that isn't installed it outputs an error message to debconf which gets confused, it needs redirected to stderr
User4: User21 it's a 1 line commit to casper by cjwatson
User21: hmm
User21: I wonder why we haven't seen that before.
User47: User51 Thanks :-).
User47: User28 Would you care to take a look at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/bzr/gnome-app-install--codecs/ ?  (Pushing as I write.)
User23: ha ha --
User47: I haven't given it a thorough test yet - in particular I worry that I might have regressed the MIME stuff and I haven't tested it.
User21: User4 I'm on my way out the door, I'll do it in a couple of hours.
User47: But I thought that since I had something which at least doesn't bomb immediately with a syntax error I should pass it on.
User47: Jesus H Christ!  80Mb!
User51: User47 I'm happy to have a look, let me know when the push finished
User47: I'm going to do some thing with rsync or something first.  An 80Mb upload with bzr push won't finish any time soon.
User46: crimsun, ok
User51: ok
User25: User21 I mentioned it yesterday on IRC but you may have missed it
User52: i can't find ubuntu kernel patches...
User25: User21 I think we have seen it before, but only intermittently
User52: where can i find them?
User25: User21 I've certainly heard of similar issues before, but this was the first time I figured out the cause
User52: ???
User52: kylem i can't find ubuntu patches there
User52: :(
User47: User51 That upload has finished.
User51: User47 I'm bzr getting it now
User4: User21 powerpc also complains about no kernel modules.  my seeds and meta package are up to date
User4: User21 alternate CD that is
User52: does Ubuntu kernel have some cpu-related patches applied?
User52: none answering?
User47: User51 I'm going to go and catch the train to climbing soon, so if you want to talk about my crazy g-a-i changes send me mail or catch me tomorrow.
User51: User47 ok. have fun climbing!
User51: bzr is stll checking out
User47: Heh.
User47: User51 Thanks, and goodnight.
User25: User52 you could always get the Ubuntu source package (apt-get source linux-source-2.6.17, or whatever version is appropriate) and diff it against the corresponding upstream kernel yourself
User25: User4 argh, somebody forgot to update the installer seed ...
User25: User18 you need to update the installer seed when you change the kernel version in debian-installer
User25: note for the future
User4: User25 at least it's not me going mad then
User52: User25 but is simplier to have a diff file or a patch-set
User42: aren't all the ubuntu changes under ubuntu/ now?
User25: User52 for 2.6.17, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-source-2.6.17_2.6.17-10.33.diff.gz
User25: it's not packaged that way for all kernel versions (for some of them it's just a .tar.gz)
User25: User42 only new drivers
User52: thanks a lot
User42: alternatively just use git?
User18: User25 i see .. ok.. they were not updated since .19-7 and we did have a .20-X installer..
User25: User18 which you uploaded :)
User18: hem.. no
User18: debian-installer (20061102ubuntu7) feisty; urgency=low
User18: * Move to 2.6.20-2 kernels.
User18: * Add block-modules and message-modules to hd-media images.
User18: -- Colin Watson <walterlambert@example.net>  Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:02:03 +0000
User18: so i did grep for -20-2 and there was no match
User18: anyway
User18: noted :)
User25: ah, true, I missed it that time
User25: you uploaded the switch to 20-5, though. :)
* fabbione 5^s cjwatson
User25: anyway, done now
User25: User4 please merge?
User4: User25 doing
User25: User46 ^--
User25: I'll do Xubuntu I gues
User25: s
User27: User25 will do
User27: (xubuntu)
User25: User27 ah, thank you
User25: I forgot you'd changed nick
User52: User25 does diff.gz it contain the applied patch list?
User25: User52 well, I don't know where else it'd go. but please don't ask such questions here; this is a developer coordination channel
User25: people asking questions here are expected to be developers and to have done extensive research themselves already
User52: i googled a lot before aking here
User4: User52 #ubuntu-motu for packaging questions
User52: *asking
User25: User52 research> e.g. reading and understanding the structure of the .diff.gz
User52: ok i'll try
User52: thanks
User25: I'm sorry, but we need to keep this channel reasonably clear
User52: i understand
User4: User25 merged
User25: thanks
User27: User25 xubuntu merged too
User25: thanks; I'll do Edubuntu for expediency's sake
User25: User46 cancel the above ping; I've merged the Edubuntu seeds
User51: can someone of archive-admins please reject my app-install-data-commercial upload to edgy-proposed? there is a minor bit missing
User51: nevermind
User25: User51 it got auto-rejected anyway because you uploaded source+binary
User51: yes, just got the mail
User4: User25 can I respin kubuntu alternate CDs?
User25: User4 yes, the HTTP mirror on bazaar.launchpad.net has updated so it's safe
User4: User25 done kubuntu, should I do u, ed and xubuntu too?
User54: ubuntu-l1nux: please ask in #ubuntu
User43: User33 that looks beautiful
User43: User33 I actually would not advise opening that thread up for any commenting; in about 2 days you'll have 20 pages
User43: ubuntu-l1nux: if there was a ubuntu kernel channel, what would you name it?
User33: User43 hm, ok so a separate questions thread then
User43: User33 right. Keep the directions clean and clear
User25: User4 sure, please do
User46: cjwatson, thanks
User4: ubuntu alternate CDs done
User4: User27 xubuntu alternate CDs done
User27: User4 thanks
User4: User46 edubuntu done
User46: thanks !
User21: User25 hm.  Do you think we need new ubuntu livefs-es too, then?
User42: someone name me an editor that breaks hardlinks, or has an option to turn it on
User21: User42 doesn't emacs?
User42: not by default, afaict
User42: I get IN_CREATE(.#wibble) ... IN_MODIFY(wibble) ... IN_DELETE (.#wibble)
User32: User42 vi is traditionally the one that does
User30: I just tried vim. It did not.
User32: hang on, what?
User32: emacs does break hardlinks
User32: at least here
User42: isn't here
User42: -rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 75 2007-01-10 19:38 wibble
User42: -rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 75 2007-01-10 19:38 wobble
User42: still hardlinked to each other
User32: -rw-r--r-- 1 james james  9 Jan 10 19:38 bar
User32: -rw-r--r-- 2 james james 19 Jan 10 19:37 foo
User55: User32 You were looking for me earlier?
User42: weird
User32: User55 yeah, do you have a macbook pro?
User55: Nope
User55: No Apple portables
User32: duh
User55: I've got an iMac that's supposed to be going to Colin when he has time to look at it
User30: User42 vim's behaviour can be controlled with the backupcopy option.
User42: User30 changing it made no difference
User42: it still didn't break the hardlink
User30: The docs say it should, and it did for me. What exactly did you do?
User42: ln /tmp/foo/wibble /tmp/foo/wobble
User42: vi /tmp/foo/wibble
User42: :se backupcopy=auto,breakhardlink
User42: edited some thing
User42: :w
User42: still hardlinked to each other
User30: worksforme
User42: flat out doesn't for me
User42: you using feisty?
User30: edgy
User42: doesn't work on dapper or edgy for me either
* Keybuk isn't being strange
User42: paperboy scott% ls -l /tmp/foo
User42: total 8.0K
User42: -rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 29 2007-01-10 19:49 wibble
User42: -rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 29 2007-01-10 19:49 wobble
User42: paperboy scott% vi --cmd ":se backupcopy=auto,breakhardlink" /tmp/foo/wibble
User42: paperboy scott% ls -l /tmp/foo
User42: total 8.0K
User42: -rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 36 2007-01-10 19:51 wibble
User42: -rw-r--r-- 2 scott scott 36 2007-01-10 19:51 wobble
User27: yay, xubuntu daily iso is OK (amd64) :)
User25: User21 the installer seed doesn't affect livefses
User25: User55 re the imac, it's blocked until I get my car repaired; sorry for forgetting to tell you
User25: User55 with any luck that'll be worted out tomorrow
User25: er, sorted
User55: User25 Yeah, no problem
User55: User25 I'm leaving the country on Friday, back a week on Monday
User55: Ought to be around Friday afternoon until 4 or so
User25: ok, I'll make sure to pick it up before then
User25: is it carryable, in extremis?
User25: I really don't actually *want* to lug a computer around Cambridge on foot, but if I have to ...
User21: User25 no, but the casper package does.
User25: User21 oh, in that case yes
User55: User25 In extremis, but I wouldn't recommend it
User21: User25 in extremis, take a cab?
User25: good plan
User21: casper source publishing run going.
User21: then I'll kick the queueu builder, then wait for it to build, then new livefs-es, then new live isos.
User42: User55 what flight you on?
User36: User42 that trick in your blog is evil
User42: User36 gotta go with what works <g>
User36: heh
User36: i'll probably end up using it
User36: but wow
User55: User42 Singapore Airlines
User55: Whichever one arrives at 07:15 on Sunday
User42: heh, that's 25 mins after my flight leaves
User55: Leaves?
User42: I'm on a QF flight, that's probably a BA code share, but doesn't admit to being so
User42: for Sydney
User55: Ah
User55: So you'll be there Tuesday?
User55: Or late Monday?
User42: hmm, sorry, misread you
User42: mine leaves Heathrow 0650 on Friday
User42: and arrives 1930 on Saturday (AU time)
User55: Ah, right
User42: you have a long stop-over?
User55: Couple of hours
User42: how come you arrive at an odd time?
User55: Leaving about 12 hours after you
User42: oh, I see
User42: duh
User42: my brain is not in gear, clearly
User55: Worked out that if I stay awake until we hit Sinagpore and then sleep, I'll be on .au time
User55: Which is, coincidentally, roughly where I am anyway
User55: So it's all good
User17: is Universe also frozen for Herd 2?
User7: User17 No, just requires manual poking.
User56: User17 according to the announcement to u-d-a, no
User56: upload of ubiquity to edgy? is there a release of 6.10.1 planned?
* gnomefreak thought only LTS was gonna have point releases
User17: gnomefreak: no, I think any release can have them if it's needed
User21: casper binary publishing run running
User57: hi all, just re-installed ubuntu (dont ask why :P), but i want to disable grub, how do i do it?
User40: User57 a) you don't want to disable grub; b) this is a development channel, please ask on #ubuntu
User57: okies
User57: ty
User57: :P
User1: moining
User10: can I get an archive person to process linux-backports-modules-2.6.20 through NEW please?
User21: User10 is it urgent?
User10: User21 Oh, right, we are in freeze for Herd 2, it can wait
User21: thanks. :-)
User10: User21 are we in a state where we can do uploads and it wont bother you, or is that functionality not working yet?
User21: User10 they end up in a queue where I can ignore them, so as long as you don't upload a zizzillion packages, I don't care.
User21: and anything to universe is just shoved through when I see it
User10: User21 ok
User20: User21 Oh, can you approve pyNeighborhood then? :)
User21: User20 no, it's not in unapproved, it's in new and since I'm busy and NEW takes time (and it's 22:47 here now), I'm not going to do it until herd 2 is out.
User20: Mithrandir, alright then :)
User20: If anyone is interested in helping to write the Heard 2 Announcement, we're on Gobby.
User8: User20 make sure you spell it "Herd"
User8: :)
User20: :D
User20: I have <g>
User40: hearth?
User17: User20 and not Hurd
User20: :P
User1: hUrd is the new fisty
User20: Does the sister projects usually write their own?
User17: yeah
User17: I think so
User45: Someone say Hurd? :-)
User58: Hurd II: Die Hurder
User17: :-)
User17: User58 or is that "Revenge of the Hurd"?
User58: :)
User59: Ubuntu 2050
User17: man, Debian will need Toy Story 5 to come out or something
User17: to get enough release names, either that or they'll have to slow down that mad pace of a release cycle
User59: I'm sure they can dig up names
User25: User56 bug 67130 is worth a point release to fix, I think
User11: Malone bug 67130 in ubiquity "mount points preparation locked - "No root file system"" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67130
User17: Debian 10.3 "3rd Sheep"
User25: gnomefreak: we first did a point release for 6.06, it's true, but we had contemplated one for 5.10 - it just turned out not to be worth the effort, whereas for 6.06 it was
User3: Mithrandir, still around ? edubuntu doesnt look good, seems i merged a patch from debian that breaks the mirror handling for non-networked installs ... i'll prepare a fixed ltsp now
User3: :(((
User60: Hi everybody. I don't think that #ubuntu can do anything about this, but maybe you can: the download toold Ubuntu 4.04 release seems to lead to a 403 error.
User60: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso This one, that is.
User25: User60 one moment
User32: User25 heh, no .pool ;-)
User25: there is on lithium
User32: ah, ok, sorry, our bad, one sec
User60: If it could be fixed at some point, that would be great! The torrent link also seems to be inoperable. I realize 4.04 is officially obsolete, but I'm going to use it on an old computer on which it used to run faster than 6.06.
User32: torrent won't work, I'm fixing http/ftp/rsync
User8: User32 quick question about torrents. Does it make a difference from which mirror a user downloads a torrent from (I know nothing about em, but need to know to fix a website issue)
User32: User8 no
User8: great
User8: User32 thanks. were you able to view that md5sum bug, btw?
User32: yeah, I'll try and reply in a bit
User8: User32 great, I wait with baited breath. thanks again
User61: bated
User3: cjwatson, can you approve an upload of ltsp for me so i get the package fixed for tomorrow morning ?
User32: User25 eh, dapper's in the old-releases tree?
User25: User32 .0, yes
User25: User32 .1 is on releases.u.c
User8: User61 my breath is baited, dammit
User32: User25 duh, sorry
User25: is a touch confusing
* HrdwrBoB makes a point to stay away from mdke's breat
User25: User3 if it's in the queue right now
* mdke nods at HrdwrBoB
User25: 'cos I've been up at 0630 last two days and need my ugly sleep
User3: cjwatson, uploaded 1min ago ...
User60: Just wondering, does anyone know of any other location from where I can get 4.04? I can't seem to find too much on Google except for reviews.
User3: its only commenting out three lines ...
User60: Oh wait, it isn't 4.04, it's 4.10.
User32: 4.04 would be impressive, Canonical didn't even exist then ;-)
User60: Stupid me.
User32: User60 anyway, it's syncing now, try again in 30 mins or so and it should be there
User25: well, not named Canonical, anyway ...
User25: User32 thanks
User60: User32 thanks very much. :)
User25: User3 can you explain the fix to me?
User25: User3 for example why 'add_mirror "$MIRROR"' isn't commented out but the lines around it are?
User3: cjwatson, vagrant wrote a unctionn that adds additional mirrors to the clients sources.list ... apparently i only get empty lines on a non networked system  ... i commented the call of the function that does it for now
User3: 'add_mirror "$MIRROR"' adds the default mirror ... which is the CD in our case
User3: that needs fixing post herd2 indeed ... but for now this workaround is enough (gets us back to the former variant of the mirror plugin as we had it in edgy)
User25: User3 well, no, it doesn't, as manage-mirror didn't change from edgy to feisty
User3: hmm
User25: User3 is it to do with the ltsp-client-builder/build-client-opts stuff?
User60: Seems that the ISO is there.
User3: let me see ... thats a new one ...
User25: User3 this shouldn't block Herd 2 if you've tested this workaround, but I thought it was worth mentioning now anyway
User25: User3 (have you tested this workaround?)
User3: yes, several times
User3: its the add_multiple_mirrors call that breaks it ...
User25: ok, I've accepted it, but please make sure there's a bug filed with milestone 'later' or '7.04' or similar strength
User3: i was always for just copying the sources.list from the server during CD installs ... but debian freaked out about it ...
User25: to get it fixed properly
User3: i hate the debian "optionitis" some days ...
User3: cjwatson, will do
User25: I'm not familiar with the issues, and it would take some thought, so I don't want to comment on that
User25: User3 I'm going to bed now, so you'll probably have to wait until the morning if anything else needs archive admin attention, unless Tollef drops by; you should have the access you need to rebuild Edubuntu CD images
User3: right :)
User3: thanks for the help :)
User25: should be ready around 0030 UTC
User25: np
* ogra wonders why cjwatson is always right ... tsk ... indeed the cause is the debconf value for ltsp-client-builder/build-client-opts
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