User1: gbgh
User2: I'll be happy to work on my packages tomorrow if anyone is willing to review them :D Good night !
User3: hi all!
User3: I have made several packages that are now in official debian
User3: among them are some that would benefit from being in ubuntu too
User4: Ask them to be sync'd :P
User3: I am thinking of peercast the P2P broadcast servent
User3: User4 who shall I ask for?
User4: dunno
User4: I'm just an Trainee
User5: they need to be NEWed just as they once were in Debian
User3: User5 ok
User3: is there an ML to ask for that or else?
User5: not really.
User5: We just need to ask dholbach or sh to have them NEWed, which kamion/mdz/elmo can handle
User3: did not understan sorry..
User3: are they people from ubuntu?
User5: dholbach and sh are, yes. kamion, mdz, and elmo should be familiar from Debian.
User3: well looks like it allready synced...
User3: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/sound/peercast
User3: did not knew that :)
User5: then the point is moot, move along. :)
User3: all my packages are allready in debian... :)
User3: in ubuntu i meant sorry..
User3: cool :)
User5: yes, if they are in Sid at the beginning of the cycle, then they will be synced in automagically
User3: great thing!
User3: well thx for that!
User3: see ya!
User3: ++
User5: thank you :)
User6: hi
User7: Unfrgiven, do you have that beginners packaging guide for the doc team?
User4: weren't LaserJock and I supposed to work ont hat?
User8: User4 this is one that Unfrgiven has worked on & started after UDU in sydney
User4: ah
User6: hmmm, gnubiff fails to build, according to lamont's logs,  waah!
User6: hmmm, just to make sure, but do I still have to make a debdiff for packages that can be synced?
User8: what would there be to debdiff?
User8: since a debdiff is just to show changes you made
User6: ah, ok, like I said, just to make sure ;)
User6: someone asked me the other day about it :)
User6: bbl
* magnon waves
User8: hi magnon
User9: hey :)
User9: how's the laptop deal?
User10: hey ajmitch long time no see
User8: I don't have one at the moment
User8: hey jsgotangco
User9: mine broke down
User9: I opened it one morning and the keyboard didn
User9: 't work
User9: fun fun
User8: ouch
User9: and since all the non-mac external keyboards I can find are ps/2 (the mac ones wont work), and apple almost guarantees that they WILL remove anything on my disk
User9: I can't hand it in yet
User9: a bunch of merges on it :(
User9: woudln't be a problem if it had an sshd :P
User8: no usb keyboards lying around?
User9: just mac ones
User9: I've been to 4-5 offices of people I know nearby, nothing :P
User9: the mac ones weirdly enough send a control character before... anything
User9: oh what the heck
User9: snow"
User9: :D
User8: hi
User8: how are you this morning, \sh
User8: heh
* ajmitch just finished work for the day
User8: I'd rather still be on that trip away from home ;)
User8: spent today configuring a server
User8: running sarge, but I put a dapper chroot on, for test purposes ;)
User8: I'll be replacing it
User8: the server for work seems to be a bit faster for compiling than my home box
User8: fairly basic, just a 3GHz P4, 2GB RAM, 2x80GB SATA in RAID-1
User8: looking at a laptop that has 1GB RAM, 100GB disk
User8: it was a canonical laptop, and their insurance didn't cover that, afaik
User8: so my travel insurance (mostly) covers it
User8: so I have the fun of trying to pay for a nice replacement ;)
User8: which isn't so bad - I didn't pay for the canonical laptop in the first place
User10: wow so you lost your laptop
User8: stolen, along with a few other things
User10: argghh what a cruel fate ubz has given
User11: User8 when i watch movies like star wars and movies where all the bad things happen to the good guys, it helps me realise who i am.
User11: User8 don't let the dark side get you down ;)
User10: you're a tatoinne native?
User10: heh
* ajmitch isn't down, I got over the stuff getting stolen after a day or two
User8: had too much stuff to do at UBZ to worry about little things like that ;)
User12: eek
User12: what did you get stolen?
User12: was jeffs stuff nicked at ubz too?
User13: yeah
User10: along with his treo
User11: User10 you could say so :)
* highvoltage always thought that Canada was such an innocent, peaceful place
User10: that's actually somewhere in the south pacific...
User14: hey all
User14: is it ok to file bugs for kubuntu in malone
User14: universe bugs
User8: sure
User14: alright cool
User14: User8 have you built any packages under kubuntu
User14: it seems that seahorse just wants to poop out under kde and not start
User8: no, but kubuntu is just ubuntu with a different set of packages
User14: yea i realize
User7: hmm
User7: ajmitch, seahorse dies under ubuntu as well
User8: ok, why tell me? :)
User7: just mentioning it
User8: make sure it gets mentioned in malone
User7: I will figure out what causes it and file the bug
User15: morning folks
User8: hey siretart, dholbach
User8: how are you?
User16: i'm fine, thanks how are you?
User16: hi everybody
User15: huhu dholbach
User16: hi siretart
User8: alive :)
User15: I'm still a bit tired, its still 8am over here ;)
User8: bah
User17: have you slept yet ?
* ajmitch was up just after 7am ;)
User17: bah
User8: afternoon lifeless
User17: hola
User15: hi freeflying!
User15: User18 did you notice: you uploaded a binary package again, which got again ignored
User18: User15 hi
User18: User15 yeah
User18: but I build it with -sa
User15: User18 '-S -sa' is the key
User8: you need to use -S for source-only magic
User18: sure I've done this
User15: and look for *_source.changes, the *_i386.changes is useless for us
User8: & make sure you upload the source_changes ;)
* ajmitch will stop now
User8: seems that I'm always a few seconds slower than siretart
User15: User8 but you are completly right ;)
User18: I upload them all
User15: User8 naah, thats the lag from nz to europe. You are still closer to freeflying ;)
User8: hehe
User18: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=887 how to get ride of the warning messages
User6: hi all
User16: hi zakame
User10: hey you two
User6: hmmm, wouldn't it be a good idea to generalize what we have in motu-tools now so as to enable some like Debian's reportbug, for malone?
User15: User6 \sh is working on a gtk reportbug frontend, but If you want to spend some time on reportbug, go ahead! :)
User6: User15 that's great to hear! :) well, I'm just a Perl novice looking for a project, and motu-tools just seemed to be a nice opportunity to flex those llama muscles ;)
User15: w00ho, first successfull build of aspectc++ :)
User15: User6 IIRC reportbug was written in perl
User6: User15 yes it is, but that doesn't work for malone though :(
User15: User6 that depends how do you want to interact with malone
User15: User6 Currently, there seems just to be an Emailinterface for that, the xmlrpc interface is AFAIK not public  yet
User6: User15 yes, that's what I've read so far :(
User19: hi all
User6: hi Gloubiboulga
User19: hello zakame, how are you?
User6: User19 just got a ping from a DD about my debian package, am now just rebuilding my chroot from scratch ;) how about you?
User20: hello
User6: hi pef
User19: zakame, my chroot is ok, and so am I :)
User19: hello pef
User20: :)
User20: why some motus uploads under their name (sponsored upload) and another upload under the packager name ?
User6: hmm good question
User16: when sponsoring, people should just sign the upload, but not change the changelog
User16: but an explanation might be that they wanted to get a notification mail, when the guy they sponsored was not whitelisted yet
User6: oh
User16: and hello pef :)
User19: could any MOTU have a look at malone #4644 & #4639 ?
User20: User16 hello Daniel :) for me as example, I'm a motu but I don't have upload rights now because of my unsigned gpg key (will make sign it during december), why some motu upload my changes as sponsored and another under my name ?
User16: User20 if you made a changelog entry, you should get it uploaded just like that
User6: what's up with libglade2-dev and libgnome2-dev? gnubiff doesn't build at all :(
User16: User6 buildlog?
User6: that's according to lamont's buildlog, but I can build gnubiff here in my dapper chroot with no prob.
User16: then ask lamont/infinity to give it back, seems the buildd had a hiccup
User16: morning \sh
User6: hi \sh
User6: ok, will do
User16: i don't think it's cdbs/debhelper
User16: but i didn't get this fixed yet :(
User6: sri
User18: User15 how can download the package from revu  ftp
User16: User18 it's http, you can just download it, no?
User18: User16 I need the one in ftp
User16: i don't quite follow
User18: User16 it seems have no permission from ftp
User21: hi everybody
User18: \sh: I need what in ftp's binaries
User21: I have a little question about REVU ...
User16: and as keybuk said: revu is a motu matter, no need to ask on both channels
User16: User21 fire away
User21: :)
User18: \sh: ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/binaries/
User21: I maintain the ushare package, last week I've sent the 0.9.2 version on REVU. Now I have the 0.9.3 version ... should I upload this new version ? What to do with the old ?
User16: User21 just upload it
User21: ok
User16: User21 it will appear in the "asbin history"
User16: User21 you will be able to see the diffs between them
User21: great
User16: cool
User16: brb
User18: \sh: I uploaded them yestoday ,but they are not found from webpage
User15: User18 again: revu ignores binaries, please upload a source package
User18: User15 actually, I uploaded them with source files
User15: User18 you still did not upload a *_source.changes file, but a *_i386.changes file
User21: done ;)
User15: User18 this used to work a few weeks ago, but I disabled it, because it confused users
User18: User15 I can foind them in ftp now
User15: sorry?
User18: User15 I can find them in ftp now
User15: User18 oh, you are using a real ftp client to upload? ;)
User18: User15 no ,upload with dput
User21: btw, my diff file is empty, as the debian directory is included in the tar ... is this a problem ?
User15: User18 this is a temporary directory for internal use
User15: User18 may I delete your binaries or do you need them?
User18: User15 for my mis-opertion ,I del all my work dir
User18: so I need download them
User15: I see. just a sek
User15: User18 http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/skim/
User15: I moved them ouy
User15: out
User18: User15 thanks
User22: User15 did you work on motu-tools during the week-end ?
User15: User22 uff, not much, no
User22: ok
User23: hello
User23: can someone tell me if https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates is the best place to suggest future packages?
User2: I think so, from what is written there
User18: how to get ride of this warning : executable-not-elf-or-script
User19: freeflying, if the file is a script, use the #! sequence at the top of it
User18: User19 it's just some .desktop files
User19: the .desktop file are not executable
User19: I think you have to change the file rights
User18: User19how to disable it in rules
User19: What do you want to disable ?
User18: User19 plz have a look on this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=887
User16: User23 you don't need a .deb package there. you can simply suggest it, but if you want to package it on your own, you could read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU, that's where we upload (source) package for review
User23: i see
User23: thank dholbach
User16: de rien
User16: hey dredg
User24: morning dholbach
User15: User18 may I delete http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/skim/ now?
User18: User15 ok
User18: thanks
User15: User18 do you need your eva biniaries as well or may I delete them, too?
User18: User15 plz del them all
User15: done
User18: User15 may you have a look of the lintian warning of skim
User15: not now, I'm currently in class
User15: lecture, whatever
User18: whenerer you have time
User16: what is nstuart@example.org?
User5: MOTUMerge
User5: we're assigning all merge bugs to it
User16: i see, why not use nstuart@example.org?
User5: that's only MOTU last I checked
User16: ah right, some people might only want to get the mergers bugs
User5: morning, btw :)
User16: morning daniel :)
User25: hi all
User25: do bugs in Universe apps get reported to buzilla.u.c or launchpad/malone?
User16: malone
User25: thanks - gLabels in 5.10 is still buggy - at least it's less buggy than in Hoary...
User16: hm, i thought glabels made it into hoary-backports
User25: I haven't checked packages.u.c yet - doing so now
User25: OK - Dapper has 2.1.1 - latest release, according to the glabels homepage
User25: someone running dapper could have a look at this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/glabels/+bug/1929/
User5: hmm, I take it that we should probably kill off the b-ds on libreadline4-dev, then, too
User15: User16 because launchpad didn't allow that
User16: i see
User15: User16 nstuart@example.org just forwards to nstuart@example.org
User15: User16 and I'd rather not use that ugly hack, but I didn't see any other option that time
User16: it's ok
User16: and it adds the benefit i mentioned
User15: User16 any news about the malone transistion? I heard that the staging is going to go live today
User16: no, sorry
User16: and if we switch, it will be BIG news :)
User16: i mean   B I G   :)
User15: :)
User15: I can imagine
User19: could any MOTU have a look at a merge I've made whan he got time ?
User19: malone #4639
User18: Uploading via ftp skim_1.4.3-0ubuntu2.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of skim_1.4.3-0ubuntu2.dsc
User15: can somebody give me packaging advice: upstream release a 1.0pre1 version, which leads towards version 1.0. How can I handle that version 1.0pre gets lower than 1.0?
User15: and I'd like to avoid epoch if possible
User26: call it 0.99.x?
User18: User15 I can not upload the source now
User15: jamessan|work: 0.9.2
User15: User18 why?
User15: User26 hmm. then it would become quite unobvious which version I'm actually packaging
User18: I don't know . it give that there are already source here
User15: User18 I delete the .dsc
User15: User18 try again
User18: User15 thanks
User15: jamessan|work: but there are upstream as well
User15: I'm not upstream
User15: yeah
User27: I use the +1.0pre1 approach, it works rather well
User15: well, this way, I would need to rename the orig.tar.gz.
User15: not that bad, but not nice either
User15: jepp. This I find quite ugly. but considering the other options, this seems to be best
User9: hey reinhardt
User15: huhu magnon!
User9: did you get my message the other day?
User15: oh, I fear not, what was it?
User9: I did a bunch of merging stuff
User9: and then my laptop broke down. :(
User15: fuck :(
User15: User9 if you have a merge done, dont forget to attach the debdiff to the malone bug
User9: and since apple guarantees that I won't have the same data on the disk when I get it back, or something like that, I have to find a clever way to back it up
User28: wow, that's a kind of loosy guarantee :-P
User9: they're not saying those words exactly, but that's what they mean :P
* Nafallo is phrozen.
User15: well, they will reimage it with a diagnosis system for testing
User12: !tv sg1
User12: err
User9: User15 you think that, yeah? I doubt it :)
User12: -EWIN
User15: and then do a clean install of macos back, sure thing
User9: oh
User9: as in reimage. yes
User27: magnon - you need a Philips head screwdriver, a 2.5" to 3.5" ide adapter, and a desktop pc to backup
User9: User27 warranty breaks if I open it that way, I believe
* Nafallo hits the shower
User15: so you cannot replace your harddrive without loosing warranty?
User15: weird
User9: I'm not sure. I will check
User27: User9 Do you have a pc repair cert ? under my local law, I don't lose warranty if a qualified person opens the pc
User15: at ibm, they told me to remove the hdd before sending it it, because they do respect my privacy :)
User9: User27 I'm pretty certain it says "Certified Apple Professional" ;)
User27: User9 "Certified Apple Professional" only is a breach of consumer law in Aus
User27: it's like saying you lose your new car warranty if it isn't serviced by the dealer
User29: User27 you could probably say that you'd prefer it to be serviced by an authorised service-person
User15: jamessan|work: ubuntu dak does support it, but not debian dak
User15: jamessan|work: anyway, we will move to soyuz soon
User27: User29 I could, but I just like to point out it's a breach of the trade practices act, and if they want to be stubborn, I'll take my refund then
User15: User37 around?
User30: does ubuntu-plf have a irc-channel
User31: not that I know of
User30: How can i get in contact with these folks
User32: what is ubuntu-plf ?
User30: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf#useful_links
User30: sorry http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
User30: I can not find the e-mail add to "MirSPCM"
User33: does anyone have up to date mysql packages? I need to use v5 for my new project.
User4: ow
User4: anyone else get X taken down by the latest updates to Dapper?
* Kyral sighs
User4: On the upshot, I'm getting a crash course in Irssi
User4: yah, but X is dead in the water
User4: as is atd
* Kyral shrugs
User4: At least I get to learn how to do things without X
User4: how do I get it (irssi) to show a channel bar thing
User4: nm
User15: User30 yes, they have an irc channel
User15: User30 ask Mirno or Keyes, both are online from time to time
User15: huhu \sh!
User4: hey ogra, everyone
User15: \sh: gestern hats bei uns geschneit ;)
User15: [transl. we had snow yesterday]
User8: hi
User4: hey
User34: \sh, yup
* siretart wants, too! :)
User15: but no time for a trip to essen :(
User15: User16 around? any progress on nstuart@example.org?
User16: User15 i saw jdub for like 5 minutes today
User16: where he didnt respond
User34: \sh, will do
User22: the easiest would be to get mailing lists for each launchpad team
User22: (ie integrate this with launchpad)
User4: ogra, mind if I upload your signed key to the Servers (Remember we exchanged keys at Ubuntu Love)
User15: User16 okay. Just wanted to note that my mailman setup on tauware.de is operational (I created 2 lists only today) ;)
User16: :)
User16: i'll mail jeff
User8: oh I love packages that are uploaded with..
User8: * This package is probably broken (it will for example probably not
User8: build on dapper and it doesn't install cleanly on breezy).
User15: User8 and it FTBFS of course on dapper :)
User15: User8 seems to be a new trend: same for xserver-xorg :/
User35: a package that I have on review has just had a new upstream release. I only need 1 more vote to get the old one in. Should I add the new version now or wait until I get the other vote?
User8: either way you'll need 2 more votes
User35: User8 good point
User35: User8 wait, if I upload a new version to REVU does that reset the vote count?
User8: yes
User8: so you upload the new upstream, get 2 votes on that
User35: User8 ok, got it
User36: does anyone knows if we should send a patch to malone (and open a bug) when we want to fix a issue there https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
User8: User36 it would be good
User36: k
User36: at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile , could someone tell me how to make sure the binary* target installs the .desktop file into /usr/share/applications/ and its corresponding icon file (xpm/png/etc.) into /usr/share/pixmaps/ . Additionally if cdbs's gnome.mk is not used, you need to call dh_desktop.
User36: where do I call dh_desktop first of all
User36: and how do I make sure bla bla bla
* ajmitch waits very patiently for the upload..
User8: 128Kbps up is painful
User22: User8 have you had time to make your motu scripts publicly available ?
User22: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools ?
User8: yes, I have read that page
User8: not much point having my scripts :)
User36: could someone also tell me why some package have only a *.desktop.in instead of a .desktop
* Nafallo has 1Mbit now :-P
User22: can you rephrase "not much point having my scripts :)" ? I'm not sure I understand what you mean
User8: most of what my scripts do is in the existing bzr repository that others have done
User34: lucas, ajmitch's scripts are available since breezy afaik ... but nobody looked at them, instead there were new tools developed ...
User8: User34 no, siretart & \sh looked at them & wrote their own
User34: ok
User36: \sh : ok, could you simply point me where to find how .desktop files are working in debian packages?
User22: maybe we should think of a way to stop reinventing the wheel then ...
User8: \sh: hm?
User8: \sh: and I was offline for awhile, so I couldn't do much in releasing them
User8: \sh: I thought there were
User8: \sh: and you have scripts to do rebuilds of a list of packages
User22: \sh: there is mine
User8: so there's no point behind my stuff, so they can die a quiet death as they deserve
User36: \sh : well I want to work on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
User37: User15 pong
User22: dunno if my scripts were merged in sirestart's repos
User22: \sh: see http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/duv-ruby.html
User22: and http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/ is my bzr repos
User36: \sh : and what do I do if can't even find the command used to launch the program? like 3dchess package...
User8: sigh, I just got maintenance of another package in debian
User8: yay for me :P
User36: k...
User35: arrghh, I hate pbuilder >:(
User8: pbuilder is wonderful ;)
User8: it lets me build dapper packages on a sarge box ;)
* at1as is back.
User38:
User2: :)
User35: User8 Well, it's a love-hate relationship right now
User8: you love to hate it?
User35: I can't get it to use more than one pbuilder set up
User15: User37 I guess you read the mail, motumedia mailinglist is now running on mailman
User35: User8 I love what it can do. I hate that it doesn't seem to like me
User37: User15 yes... perfect :)
User15: User37 it is surpisingly easy to setup new maillinglists..
User35: is there a general policy for mailing lists. I was thinking about getting one for MOTUScience but I'm not sure how to go about it
User36: \sh : and what do I do to make sure the binary* target installs the .desktop file into /usr/share/applications/ and its corresponding icon file (xpm/png/etc.) into /usr/share/pixmaps/
User15: User35 I didn't get the policy for official mainlinglists easy
User15: User35 I think there needs to be sufficient traffic for getting an official mailling list
User15: User35 if you want one on tauware, I can arrange something
User36: \sh : and what is autotools magic?
User35: User15 that would be great, I'm not sure yet how much traffic we would have.
User15: User35 what is your email adress and how do you want it to be called?
User36: \sh : like I told you I'm working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile so there's no .desktop file
User36: I'm trying to create a .desktop file and to follow what's on this page
User35: User15 nstuart@example.org and ubuntu-science would be a good name
User15: User35 Recipient address rejected: Policy Rejection: Please try later
User15: User35 your mail system does not accept mails from me
User36: \sh : and how do I do to install it manually?
User35: User15 really, I don't think I've ever had that problem before
User15: seems to be some sort of greylisting
User35: User15 can I give you another email address and change it later?
User15: User35 the mail is still queued, I think you will get the email with the link and password in some time
User35: User15 oh, ok. Thanks a ton.
User15: a ton. woah :)
User35: User35 well, it really helps when people in different parts of the world with different schedules are trying to communicate. so yeah, I think a ton is appropriate ;-)
User15: User35 ah, now you should have mail
User35: User15 got it
User39: hello
User15: User35 okay. then you should be able to login at the admin interface and configure your list according to your needs
User35: ok, so has anybody noticed that --configfile doesn't work in pbuilder?
User35: User15 thanks
User37: it works for me
User35: User37 it only seems to work if the configfile is /etc/pbuilderrc or ~/.pbuilderrc
User35: User40 which seems to me that it doesn't work
User37: User35 my configs are ~/.pbuilder/{dapper,breezy,sid,experimental}
User35: User37 really, that doesn't work for me. It just tries to do some default
User35: User37 I tried moving ~/.pbuilder/dapper/pbuilderrc to ~/.pbuilderrc_dapper and it didn't work either
User40: hmm
User35: User37 but if I moved ~/.pbuilderrc_dapper to ~/.pbuilderrc it worked
User8: User35 you don't use --configfile?
User35: User8 yes I do
User8: :0:> cat /home/ajmitch/bin/dbuild
User8: #!/bin/sh
User8: sudo pbuilder build $PBOPT --configfile ~/debian/pbuilder/configs/dapper.pbuilderrc $@
User8: that's the sort of setup I have
User8: with separate base tarballs of course :)
User35: User8 right, which doesn't seem to work for me
User8: worked for me all through breezy
User35: man, it seems to be just me then. What the heck am I doing wrong?
User8: phase of the moon
User40: bad karma ;)
User35: I guess, I have never been able to get multiple pbuilders to work
User8: yay, debian uploads accepted with new key
User35: lol, I figured it out. I was putting the --configfile before or after build *.dsc but it has to be between them
User8: yep :)
User8: why do you think I have a wrapper for it? ;)
User35: no kidding
* at1as is back.
User38: * at1as is back.
User38:
User39: hey ajmitch!
User8: hello herve
User8: how are you?
User39: fine, thanks
User39: how's life going on?
User8: good :)
User8: just at work now, another day.. :)
User39: I know the feeling :-)
User8: yay, now I can upload to ubuntu
User5: User8 rockin'
* at1as is back.
User38:
User35: User4 I just sent you an email
User4: User35 I dont have X atm
User35: User4 ok, well thanks to siretart we now have a ubuntu-science mailing list
User4: okay
User35: User4 have you heard anything from the FlowDesigner devs?
User4: Not yet
* Kyral wonders what happened with the at and findutils packages...
User4: what package has xargs...
User8: findutils on breezy
User8: which doesn't appear to have changed on dapper
User4: I dunno but somehow it broke on me
User8: ok, it was synced from debian
User4: I think the reinstall I just did fixed it
User4: but I need to reboot to make sure
* at1as is back.
User38:
User5: User38 (your [un] away notification is kinda grating)
User4: Yah I think I know what went wrong...my computer must have crashed in the middle of something getting configured
User4: Is there any logfile that I can look at to see what was being installed at that time?
User16: User4 you could try dpkg --configure -a
User16: and after that run     dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii    to see which packages are NOT fully installed
User15: User8 elmo just added my key, did you get an notification, too?
User8: User15 I got notification by irc
User15: cool! :)
User16: :)
User15: User8 ubuntu only or debian, too?
User16: YAY! :)
User8: both
User15: cool!
User8: he said he did debian last night
User8: & I managed to upload a few packages
User8: so I ought to be able to upload to debian, ubuntu (main|universe) now
User16: WOW
User16: hoorray for ajmitch and siretart :)
User15: grats :)
User15: err, thanks! :)
User19: congratulations guys
* at1as is back.
User38:
User39: is there a vim expert?
User39: I want to search a character by its number
User39: char 225
User39: in latin1
User39: lintian complains about a manpage
User8: User39 docbook problem, slomo tells me ;)
User39: there is no docbook source :-)
User39: thanks jamessan|work
User39: I wouldn't like to mistype a Spanish name on purpose :-)
* Kyral scratches his head
User4: I'm getting a lot of these "is not an ELF file" things
User8: sounds very very messed up
User4: no kiddin'
User16: hey herve
User39: yo dholbach
User4: I have no clue what it means either
User16: was just about to leave
User39: someone knows about manpages and encoding?
User39: I'm disapointed it won't accept utf8 and not even full latin1
User39: ok ok, I'll write a source manpage in docbook for the next upstream release :-)
User41: does anyone remember that thing where nvidia binary drivers are slower than plain X for 2d?
User41: and there was an option to go back to the standard 2d functions
User8: RenderAccel ?
User41: no
User39: about the AGP driver, no?
User41: yes
User4: this is really wierd
User4: a bunch of files suddenly cannot be executed
User22: like ?
User4: oh, gdm, fluxbox, atd
User22: ah
User4: those are just the ones I have tried
User4: reinstalling the packages fixes them
User4: but its wierd
User39: what file system?
User4: ext3
User22: can you explain "cannot be executed" ?
User39: so it just lost the executable bit?
User4: nope. I'm just telling you what te error says
User39: Kyral, you should reinstall them at once
User4: Yah, but I have no idea which package are affected
User4: s/packages/package
User4: at least until I try them
User4: wait a sec...maybe my errors from ldconfig and this are connected
User42: ho do I generate de dsc file ? (for use with pbuilder)
User8: debuild -S
User28: pdebuild :-)
* ajmitch prefers to separate them :)
User4: but how can I find out what libs belong to what package
User42: thanks
User16: User4 what information are you looking for exactly?
User8: dlocate -S
User42: Nafallo, sorry for chan "cross posting"
User4: User16 which packages certain libs belong to
User16: does dlocate help?
User16: or    grep <name> /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
User4: I didn't even know if its existance
User16: or http://packages.ubuntu.com ?
User4: until now
User16: or apt-file :)
User16: hope one of them does the job
User4: dlocate it helping :D
User4: somehow the last update from Dapper did something really wierd to my system
User4: huzzah!
User4: its working!
User16: have a nice evening... i'm off
* at1as is back.
User38:
User43: ciao ogra !
User4: Lets see if this fixed things
User39: ouch
User39: full system failure
User4: Well, I got X back
User4: Now I just have to hunt down those other binaries
User4: But what connects them...
User15: \sh: I'm currently at my 'stammtisch'
User15: \sh: regarding kq, I think to fix a FTBFS
User15: \sh: try building it withouth that builddep, if it succeeds, drop that dependency
User4: ...now Evolution segfaults
User35: if I have both debian and ubuntu pbuilder's do I need to seperate the aptcache?
User15: :)
User44: User35 btw, I rebuilt ghemical for breezy at 'deb http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/ubuntu-breezy/ ./'
User8: User35 it's a good idea to keep debian & ubuntu apt caches separate
User19: I've just built the songwrite package using the debian sources in a dapper chroot, without a change
User8: reduces the risk of strange bugs appearing when you don't expect it
User19: Just ask for a sync on malone ?
User35: User8 thanks, that is what I thought but I didn't know for sure
User8: User19 a sync should be fine, as the ubuntu changes were minimal :)
User19: very minimal :)
User35: User44 beautiful!  works like a charm
User44: I've been fiddling with updating the underlying libraries to the new C++ allocator over the weekend, but did not finish
User44: need to continue working on this paper now, should hopefully happen tomorrow
User35: User44 I wonder if it could get on the backport repo? When we get it in dapper I will make a request on the ubuntu forums
User44: the ones to go in dapper will be harder to backport, as you'd need to rename the libraries back I guess
User35: User44 well, when the time comes maybe I can work on that ;-) It sure would be nice to have it for everybody in Breezy.
User44: yeah
User35: User44 looks like backports would be a no go. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=492113&postcount=8
User39: ok, I've written my manpage with docbook -:)
User44: User35 oh, ok
* Kyral groans
User4: why is Evolution segfaulting
User4: segfault
User39: its libraries may be affected
User4: which wouldn't be surprising givin the current state of my system
User4: I wonder if compiling from scratch will fix this
User8: night \sh
User4: I think I need to reinstall every package on my system
User4: Huzzah!
User4: I got it back!
User4: Best part about Linux
User4: you break something and as you fix it you learn a crapload :D
User19: bye
User22: User15 I've worked on motutools tonight
User22: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools#preview
User22: oops
User22: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools
User22: I'd very much like some feedback/patches ;)
User45: ah :)
User35: lucas, I noticed with your ruby example before you looked for binary packages and then got a list of the corresponding source packages. Is that because apt-rdepends only works on binary packages?
User4: User35 I just checked my email
User22: there's no "Depends" for source packages
User4: I haven't gotten a reply from the FlowDesigner devs
User22: only build-dep
User35: User22 ah, that makes sense
User35: User22 the mts arguments seem awfully long (getpkglistfromreversedepends for instance)
User22: well, this one is not implemented yet
User22: it will probably be list_from_rdepends
User35: User22 but are you going to use flags ? that would make it a lot easier
User22: and I'll add nicknames, I think
User22: flags ?
User35: User22 well like -l or -n or something like that
User22: well, the cmd line interface is simple :
User22: mts [-v]  command [command's options]
User22: so the command's option might use flags
User35: User22 ok, makes sense
User22: and the different commands are implemented in different scripts
User22: so that one can write his own script without breaking the rest of them
User35: hi tritium
User46: hi folks
User46: User40 did you come to testbuild ghc6?
User40: User46 ah yes... worked fine on amd64
User46: phew... cool :)
User46: thx
User40: but it needs much memory
User40: maybe it's really oom on the buildds
User40: did you ask lamont/infinity?
User46: not yet... was at my parents over the weekeng
User46: weekend even
User40: oh ok :) was it good?
User46: yes :)
User46: btw.: elmo added me to the keyring, yeehaaa!
User40: hehe... congrats :)
User46: thx
User47: hi LaserJock
User35: User47 did you see the email I sent you? I wasn't sure about the address
User47: User35 yeah, about the mailing list?  Thanks.
User35: ok, so bug day is on Thanksgiving? that's going to be hard to do
User45: true :/
User4: Screw that
User4: My grandma's cooking after 4 months of campus food
User4: I'm not gonna miss that for the world
User35: User4 lol, college can do that to you
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