User1: ItzSwirlz: You should drag the 'English (United States)" to the top and click "apply to the whole system"
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> Thanks .... Hope to be of help ... (re @philipz: welcome @Aleskrv Rafael JesÃºs @Yosoyoswi)
User2: [telegram] <philipz> @Yosoyoswi which flavor are you testing and do you need any help?
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> At the moment I am testing Lubuntu 20.04 and so far I have seen no major problem.  just an applidogion that I use that seems not to be in the repositories but the matter is not serious. (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi which flavor are you testing and do you need any help?)
User2: [telegram] <philipz> are you running in a VM or from USB? are you reporting the results of the testcases?
User2: [telegram] <guiverc> Thanks  for helping to test, what is the applidogion?  (some python2 and Qt4 apps are no longer available due to EOL of those tools, unless they were ported to python3/Qt5 where most were) (re @Yosoyoswi: At the moment I am testing Lubuntu 20.04 and so far I have seen no major problem.  just an applidogion that I use that seems not to be in the repositories but the matter is not ser
User3: what is "applidogion"?
User3: this is the only channel I've ever seen that word
User4: Nasty typos are natsty.
User3: google shows me only "application"
User4: FWIW, he fixed it in Telegram.
User5: valorie, I typed application as did Yogoyoswi (why i answered on telegram where it reads as application), but yes it's wrong on my liferea too
User3: User4 seems deliberate
User5: s/liferea/hexchat
User3: seen it over and over
User6: !
User6: application -> applidogion
User6: i suspect the bot author is having a laugh
User2: [telegram] <Eickmeyer> Something something applidogion
User4: YES! It did misspellit!
User6: what about if you say something like "category"?
User4: Bot author is a bot. :')
User5: housecat, what you typed appears twice as applidogion on telegram
User6: oh fun, so it's bi-directional
 * Eickmeyer blames @popeydc
User5: LOL
User4: #BlamePopey
User3: this is a most strange TG<>IRC bot
User4: It's popey's bot!
 * guiverc wonders if we'll get help from popey again :)
User3: the double-echoing has slowed down
User6: wow, been a while since i've seen "blame popey"
User3: thank goodness
User4: "blame popey" seemed apt in this instance.
User2: [telegram] <philipz> welcome @levisraju
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> I installed it on a partition of my hard drive.  I wanted to do a test using it daily.  I've watched some movies using VLC and played with Gameboy Advance emulators.  at the moment I have only noticed slight lag in the reproduction of videos in the VLC of the rest, for now, everything in order.  I will continue testing. (re @philipz: are you running in a VM or from USB? are you re
User2: [telegram] <philipz> @Yosoyoswi happy hunting
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> the applidogion is GTK-recordmydesktop.  I have the recordmydesktop GUI.  The applidogion is installed without the graphical interface and can be used without problems through commands in the terminal.  But even though I have gotten different files with the intention of installing the GUI I was not successful.  so I gave up and just used the commands.  although it seems strange to
User3: gosh
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> @philipz ð
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> I usually use virtual box to try new versions of another os and not on my main
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> But I do have another laptop which has Linux and windows
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Wait a minute why is my Linux partition also efi this is not Uefi laptop
User2: [telegram] <megatobg>
User2: [telegram] <megatobg>
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Forgot to mention that it has a failing hard drive:
User3: oh gosh
User3: those are inexpensive
User3: to replace
User3: even SSDs now
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Ik
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> But everything is closed and I canât buy an ssd I could put the hdd from my external hdd in it
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> That thing is a seagate rosewood but it still works
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Seagate rosewood were also failing a lot
User2: [telegram] <guiverc> Sorry I've never had need to use it so have no experience with it. However https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/gtk-recordmydesktop shows it used python2 so fit the dogegory of dropped unless ported to python3 (re @Yosoyoswi: the applidogion is GTK-recordmydesktop.  I have the recordmydesktop GUI.  The applidogion is installed without the graphical interface and can be used without prob
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Well that sucks:
User2: [telegram] <schykle> Shaders?
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Just vanilla minecraft with optifine
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Minecraft is actually playable on this
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Itâs also my first laptop for it 7 years
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Almost 2.5 years ago replaced with this:
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> I like how my music cuts off and theres a bunch of OpenGL errors:
User3: dogegory?
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Lol
User3: is this something with the doge meme?
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> I donât have doge memes
User3: and again with the applidogion
User3: sheesh
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> I donât even like most of them
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> I like weird memes
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> I suppose that will not happen since the last update (according to the official page of the project) was in 2009 so surely the graphical interface will no longer be able to be used in this version of Ubuntu ... ð¤· (re @User5 Sorry I've never had need to use it so have no experience with it. However https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/gtk-recordmydesktop shows it used python2 so
User2: [telegram] <philipz> @Yosoyoswi this looks like a bug to me if gtk-recordmydesktop is in conflicts with recordmydesktop:
User6: User3 now i wonder whether i show up as housedog
User3: lol
 * valorie pets the cat
User2: [telegram] <levisraju> Thanx boss (re @philipz: welcome @levisraju)
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> A mÃ­ me aparece que no se pueden cumplir con las dependencias... Y que no instalarÃ¡ la aplicaciÃ³n. Intente instalar un paquete .deb y el error es siempre el mismo. (re @philipz: )
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> It appears to me that dependencies cannot be met ... And that the applidogion will not install.  Try to install a .deb package and the error is always the same. (edited) (re @philipz: )
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Hereâs Linux on this laptop:
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Itâs pretty fast on Linux
User2: [telegram] <philipz> @Yosoyoswi python-gtk2 package isnt in the repo
User2: [telegram] <megatobg>
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Some specs
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Interesting
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Iâve never used a flip laptop thing
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> Does that mean that python-gtk2 will no longer be supported by Ubuntu 20.04? (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi python-gtk2 package isnt in the repo)
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> One thing is my main laptop can open itâs screen up to 180 degrees
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> That is the same distro that I installed ... (re @megatobg: )
User2: [telegram] <megatobg>
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Cool (re @Yosoyoswi: That is the same distro that I installed ...)
User2: [telegram] <philipz> @Yosoyoswi not sure what it means. will have to check with the other developers to see
User2: [telegram] <Rafael JesÃºs> Thanks for the welcome :) (re @philipz: welcome @Aleskrv Rafael JesÃºs @Yosoyoswi)
User5: xubunu-testerw9, thank you for testing, I cannot help sorry, but I'd suggest filing a bug via `ubuntu-bug`.  Do you get the issue if you use another flavor other than xubuntu/XFCE? (if you've tried)
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> That external hdd has lubuntu on it:
User2: [telegram] <philipz> xubuntu-testerw9: you should likely file a  bug
User2: [telegram] <megatobg>
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> I understand.  Anyway I have learned to use recordmydesktop by commands and I even made a script with the necessary commands to save time so it is not a serious loss in case the graphical interface is no longer supported. (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi not sure what it means. will have to check with the other developers to see)
User2: [telegram] <philipz> User5 is there a package to file mouse bugs against
User2: [telegram] <philipz> @Yosoyoswi maybe give simplescreenrecorder a go
User2: [telegram] <philipz> xubuntu-testerw9: yes please do test it against ubuntu first, though i doubt it would be a xubuntu only bug
User5: Sorry I don't know, I asked about other 20.04 flavors/ubuntu to see if kernel (where I'd possibly file against), however if it occurs in xubuntu only I'd likely go the xubuntu-desktop (as I don't know sorry @philipz
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> I will try other desktop recorders to see how they work.  Simplescreenrecorder has been tested on other distributions but not this one.  I'm going to use it and tell them (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi maybe give simplescreenrecorder a go)
User2: [telegram] <philipz> i've filed the bug about it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-recordmydesktop/+bug/1872406
User7: Ubuntu bug 1872406 in gtk-recordmydesktop (Ubuntu) "package not available in 20.04" [Undecided,New]
User2: [telegram] <philipz> @Yosoyoswi it was removed in debian, so removed in ubuntu - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=943983
User7: Debian bug 943983 in ftp.debian.org "RM: gtk-recordmydesktop -- RoQA; dead upstream, unmaintained, depends on legacy libs" [Normal,Open]
User2: [telegram] <Yosoyoswi> A few days ago I used the latest version of sparky Linux based on debian 9 and the GTK-recordmydesktop applidogion was in synaptic.  Now maybe we have to wait to see if they manage to fix it or if it will no longer appear in Ubuntu from now on ... (re @philipz: @Yosoyoswi it was removed in debian, so removed in ubuntu - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=943983)
User7: Debian bug 943983 in ftp.debian.org "RM: gtk-recordmydesktop -- RoQA; dead upstream, unmaintained, depends on legacy libs" [Normal,Open]
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> I can see the new Firefox icon looks warmer than the old one:
User2: [telegram] <philipz> its not coming back as it has been unmaintained or 10 years and using old libraries (re @Yosoyoswi: A few days ago I used the latest version of sparky Linux based on debian 9 and the GTK-recordmydesktop applidogion was in synaptic.  Now maybe we have to wait to see if they manage to fix it or if it will no longer appear in Ubuntu from now on ...)
User2: [telegram] <philipz> very interesting. what machine you running that VM on and what specs did you allodoge to it. (re @megatobg: )
User2: [telegram] <megatobg>
User2: [telegram] <megatobg>
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> This laptop has some issues sometimes but it does work
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Virtual machines on this are pretty good
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> I love how much faster vms are on Linux unlike windows
User2: [telegram] <philipz> burn the ISO to a USB and try it on real hardware and see how it works
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> I probably will test it later
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> The last time it failed on this part I think it was because I didnât setup partitions correctly:
User2: [telegram] <megatobg> Done:
User5: xubuntu-testerw9,  I suspected it would occur in other flavors (inc. main Ubuntu), I'd `ubuntu-bug linux` and say you tested it on xubuntu & main ubuntu... it'll report your running system (i assume ubuntu so gnome, why you should mention you had the same response whilst running xubuntu)
User5: kubuntu-tester73, I would suggest filing a bug on your noted language issue, if for no other reason than it'll be easier to track..   do you feel capable of that?
User5: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
User2: [telegram] <philipz> kubuntu-tester73: you can file it easily with running 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' from the terminal
User2: [telegram] <philipz> xubuntu-testerw9: once you file the bug, you can paste the url here
User2: [telegram] <philipz> welcome Marco
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> Thanks :) (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <kubuntu-tester73> Hello all! I just download kubuntu 20.04 for test it on a virtual machine. I want to say to the developer team they have done a great job for this release and Thank you!)
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> kubuntu-tester73: yes, please report against ubiquity
User2: [telegram] <Marco> Hi all
User5: thanks @RikMills
User2: [telegram] <philipz> testing week mentioned on the ubuntu podcast and @wimpress said we made the desktop team cry tears of joy, so lets keep it up - https://youtu.be/fqRMWEnZJjs?t=1153
User8: tnx philipz
User8: does someone know if the maintainer of xscreensaver still active or not?
User8: i have filed a few bugs across different ubuntu versions, that dont get solved
User9: User8 It looks like development is still happening. https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/changelog.html
User8: ok tnx kc2bez i might share some bugs in here about it then
User9: sure, if they still exist in 20.04 they should get looked at.
User8: here's one of those xscreensaver bugs i still have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1790110
User7: Ubuntu bug 1790110 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Xscreensaver overrides vlc smplayer and caffeine " [Undecided,Confirmed]
User10: can kubuntu bug reports be given here also?
User2: [telegram] <arunpyasi> Yes (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <vadi01> can kubuntu bug reports be given here also?)
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> Any bug reports
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> For pretty much all flavors you can report on launchpad
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> Type in Bug #(number) and it will show up
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> For example
User4: @ItzSwirlz: Save your breath, they're gone.
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> Bug #198637
User7: bug 198637 in linux (Ubuntu) "No sound after resume with snd_hda_intel on Toshiba A215" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198637
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> ? (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirlz: Save your breath, they're gone.)
User4: @ItzSwirlz: They were IRC, and left 2 minutes after posting that.
User4: Telegram doesn't show IRC Join/Part messages.
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> Oh. Yeah
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> PS. Final freeze is on Thursday. Not impossible to get bug fixes in after that, but it is harder, and sometimes less important ones will get put off to be post release ones. So, in short, testing now is just as important as always. Thanks!
User8: @Rikmills: thank you!
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> np. I've done this many times now, but still a bit scary thinking what might be there not found!
User8: @Rikmills: think kubuntu is still pretty popular, and saw a lot of testers too
User8: Blueskaj also said things are pretty stable for him
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> I know. I know. :D
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> Just SRUs are just just a PITA with the paperwork!
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> Just SRUs are such a PITA with the paperwork! (edited)
User8: think we cant avoid new bugs arise when the masses start using it
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> *such a PITA
User8: cause everyone has their own needs/packages not everyone tests
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> All true.
User8: its good you guys created this channel, cause +1 has been not so active last releases..
User8: this channel will be used for every new release?
User2: [telegram] <popeydc> if the bot is misbehaving, I can remove it or file a bug upstream
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> I would guess so. Hopefully it does not lose momentum (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <lotuspsychje> this channel will be used for every new release?)
User8: what you guys think to mention it in the !ubuntu+1 factoid ?
User8: can only benefit testers and devs meet more?
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> if we agree to keep using this for testing weeks, milestone testing etc, then I don't see why not.
User8: Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04 - Support in #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-quality
User8: what do you think?
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> support is perhaps not right?
User8: bug testers in #ubuntu-quality ?
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> 'testing/bug feedback and help in #ubuntu-quality' ?
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> it's a bit of both in both really, but the main focus is different
User2: [telegram] <philipz> only bug is its changing 'applidogion' into 'applidogion' for some strange reason (re @popeydc: if the bot is misbehaving, I can remove it or file a bug upstream)
User8: Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04 - Support only in #ubuntu+1 and testing/bug feedback and help in #ubuntu-quality
User8: hows that
User11: application
User2: [telegram] <RikMills>  (re @philipz: only bug is its changing 'applidogion' into 'applidogion' for some strange reason)
User2: [telegram] <RikMills> Yeah, what WTF?
 * housecat barksx
User6: i kinda assumed it was an april fools joke that's still on 2 weeks later
User2: [telegram] <philipz> @popeydc its fine on the platform it originates from but gets switched when sent to the bridge platform (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <jphilips> applidogion)
User12: User8 fine for me, but I am not the boss
User8: User12 lets try, and see what happens
User8: !ubuntu+1 is <reply> Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04 - Support only in #ubuntu+1 and testing/bug feedback and help in #ubuntu-quality
User8: sended
User8: i think this channel was a great succes already, testing and sharing bugs over irc and telegram, for all flavours
User8: for those who like, we also have a little pre testing bug team in #ubuntu-bug-announce to help the devs out a bit
User12: milestone testing for point releases would also be good if we can get that in here. we always struggle to ISO testing done for the LTS point releases via existing channels
User8: User12 that might be a bit harder indeed, as most users are more interested in new releases then point releases
User8: User12 but now this channel exists, things can grow right
User12: yeah, that is the problem. they are just as important though, as those ISOs become the default ones people get when they want to install the LTS. not only do they add bugfixes, but also usually new HWE stack!
User12: I think with help from people like popey etc, we can do more effective calls for testing though. that is half the problem
User8: agree its important, and promoting testing weeks is a good idea
User8: from wich source do you think most users found #ubuntu-quality ?
User12: not a clue. hopefully some that did can say
User8: jphilips popey know perhaps?
User8: we have discourse, +1, UWN newslettre, twitter,..
User2: [telegram] <philipz> the irc and telegram channel/group was mentioned in all of our announcements, so that definitely brought in users
User2: [telegram] <philipz> the users who appeared on IRC with the username xubuntu-tester* or kubuntu-tester* came from the announcement pages
User8: maybe its a good idea to mention #ubuntu-quality in the dev channels flavours topic?
User6: do the flavors prefer to do flavor-specific bug triaging in here or in their -devel channels?
 * housecat vaguely worried about having multiple channels for one thing again
User8: well this channel has a promising boost for sure
User6: indeed
User8: philipz told me kubuntu & xubuntu also integrating telegram on their website now
User8: and studio on matrix
User2: [telegram] <philipz> yes i presume most would prefer in their own devel channels, as most bugs are flavor specific and more people from the flavor are in their devel channel.
User2: [telegram] <philipz> the good thing about this telegram/irc group is that its flavor agnostic and we are welcoming to people specifically trying to ISO test and bug report. atleast thats what i'm hoping
User8: yeah its a nice gathering
User2: [telegram] <philipz> User8 i mentioned kubuntu and lubuntu (not xubuntu) already have telegram and bridge them to their irc channels
User8: oh right
User4: User6 This channel is more for people who don't want to necessarily join the various teams but want to contribute by testing. It's proving to be invaluable.
User6: User4 yep. I was asking because of the comment about adding it to /topic #foo-devel
User4: User6 Oh yes, agreed. That shouldn't be a thing.
User8: i was brainstorming for RikMills idea to get more testers for the point releases
User2: [telegram] <philipz> we should definitely repeat testing weeks regularly for point, regular, and LTS releases
User8: is there some wiki out there that describes point release testing?
User6: !ubuntu+1
User7: Focal Fossa is the codename for Ubuntu 20.04. For technical support, see #ubuntu+1. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality.
User12: mostly it is the tests on the qa tracker
User8: thank you housecat
User12: so that we don't ship dodgy isos
User8: User12 this one? https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
User12: User8 yes, for example when we had to test the ISOs for 18.04.4 point release: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/410/builds
User8: ok great RikMills
User12: you can see there that not all flavours managed to get all tests done
User2: [telegram] <philipz> hopefully it will be better the next time with the point release testing. go team \o/
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> Ubuntu Cinnamon seems fine
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> honestly ive been jumping around
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> and I sort of miss the warm embrace of my gnome-feel desktop
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> I'll only test in live session now
User2: [telegram] <schykle> Is it possible to enable TOTP based 2FA for our Ubuntu One (OpenID) accounts?
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike>
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> Trusy goes to Xenial :)
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> This is weird...
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike>
User2: [telegram] <philipz> definitely. is it attempting to install all those 4.4.0 kernels
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> I think it is because on trusty old kernels were never removed. So it pulled all those installed ones because of series change.
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> Maybe :)
User2: [telegram] <philipz> you should file that, though there arent any xenial upgrade testcases on the iso tracker
User2: [telegram] <philipz> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/400/builds
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> yup :) i just ctrl-câed and removed all those old kernels, except the current one
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> so it is better now
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> this also could be due to fact that MATE was not an official flavor in Trusty times
User2: [telegram] <philipz> :D
User2: [telegram] <philipz> lets see how the xenial to bionic goes
User2: [telegram] <philipz> there definitely is a testcase for that one
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> yup :) it is installing xenial packages now...
User2: [telegram] <philipz> this definitely is one of the main reasons i hate using update manager - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1834798
User7: Ubuntu bug 1834798 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "incorrect labels and icons pulled from .desktop files" [Undecided,Confirmed]
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> Well now :)
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike>
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> mate is not taking this very well :/
User2: [telegram] <philipz> is it still running?
User2: [telegram] <philipz> with the cpu at 100%
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> yup. I guess it is running all of those mate components wrongly
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> as my Xsession is broken
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> should have started the upgrade from console
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> or at least in screen
User2: [telegram] <philipz> hope you backed up
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> did. but aptâs terminal.log looks promising
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz>
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> It worked! Upgraded to xenial :)
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> Now letâs do bionic!
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike>
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> With pride and bravery! (gui upgrade)
User2: [telegram] <philipz> nice. you using that in UC (re @ItzSwirlz: )
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> No just for me (re @philipz: nice. you using that in UC)
User2: [telegram] <ItzSwirlz> UC wall is already done
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> Well now :) :) :)
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike>
User2: [telegram] <philipz> what internet site you been messing with
User2: [telegram] <philipz> another reason i hate update manager, looking at various log files eats a CPU core - https://youtu.be/ZglJfB-dXew?t=38
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike>
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> Success!
User2: [telegram] <philipz> congrats. so when are gonna upgrade to 20.04?
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> as soon as it is released
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> i only had that kernel issue at beginning and postfix
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> i think postfix was installed by smartmontools which is installed by me installing lm-sensors :)
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> it took cca 2 hours to go from trusty to bionic, including package downloada
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> s
User2: [telegram] <MrkiMike> super nice experience, learn from this, Windows :)
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