User1: anyone else testing 17.04 right now?
User1: User3 you around?
User1: Ran through all the ISOs on a couple different machines (laptop & desktop). Didn't catch anything new and the adobe bug seemed to be resolved - downloaded fine for me each time.
User2: having problem with my screen resolution i posted a question on AsKUbuntu please check http://askubuntu.com/questions/903530/setting-desired-resolution-failure-ubuntu-gnome
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User3: https://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-17-04-released/
User4: yay .. i am seeding the torrent as we speek
User5: \o/
User6: hi there. to take advantage of flatpack on 16.04.2, do i need to manually install 'gnome-session-wayland' ?
User6: i'm reading the FAQ here and it says about wayland 'still needs some work'. Will future improvements to wayland for gnome be back-ported to 16.04, or only make it into the newer versions ?
User6: ... asking this because of wishing to stay on 16.04 for its live kernel patching feature (which is currently available only on the LTS release of ubuntu)
User4: dreamcat4, flatpack is experimental, from ppa. use snaps instead
User4: dream and wayland has nothing to do with snap/flatpack
User6: that is not the information i have been given elsewhere
User6: also snaps are not shared amongst distros, unlike flatpack
User3: User6 flatpak is not available in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, you have to use a PPA to get it or install Ubuntu 16.10 or newer
User4: dreamcat4, how would you install flatpack then ??
User4: dream sure snaps are distro independent.. Fedora uses them too...
User4: https://snapcraft.io/docs/core/install-fedora
User6: so you guys think snaps will win out over flatpack?
User4: dreamcat4, it is not a competition, they can live together.
User6: i'll take that as a 'no' then
User4: besides flatpack and snap, there are more new package systems.
User6: yeah
User4: dreamcat4,  take it as you want, but don't go trolling in other channels that we say one will survive
User6: thats great competition. i'm just trying to not waste my own time supporting something that ultimately gets droped
User7: Hi. I've never filed bugs before, can I unofficially report them here?
User8: just noticed 17.04 was released, and I also see images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/17.04/release/ - but 'sudo do-release-upgrade' tells me there are no releases? is there currently a way to do an upgrade, or is it just possible with clean install?
User4: danslo, maybe your mirror is behind? try changing the mirror to main
User3: User8 the upgrade switch hasn't been enabled yet because there's one issue that's still being worked on
User8: specifying -d got it to switch to zety..
User8: zesty*
User4: -d = development, i would wait a few hours
User3: specifically, the issue is bug 1681566
User9: bug 1681566 in dkms (Ubuntu Zesty) "nvidia-375 DKMS module not recompiled on upgrade to 17.04" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681566
User8: User3 I'm on 378, is that also affected?
User3: User8 I highly recommend you just wait then unless you want to manually fix your computer
User8: User3 this is just on my experimental desktop, not afraid to screw things up :)
User3: well the bug says that you'll need to manually reinstall everything that you have installed that uses dkms (that includes nvidia drivers, VirtualBox, etc.)
User3: optionally, you could do a clean install instead of an upgrade
User8: thanks for the link - I think I'll manage
User3: good luck! :)
User10: Hi. Using a default Ubuntu 16.10 installation with Unity, installing GNOME 3 there is the following behavior.
User10: Searching for *Einst* for German *Einstellung* there are two choices: Einstellung and Systemeinstellungen.
User10: The problem is, they both look similar, but in one for monitor configuration you have *AnzeigegerÃ¤te* and in the other *Bildschirme*.
User10: Using *AnzeigegerÃ¤te* works, while with *Bildschirme* you get an error.
User10: Is that a GNOME issue or Unity?
User3: unfortunately, I don't speak German :(
User5: I assume unity-control-center vs gnome-control-center
User11: User5 that's my guess too.
User3: oh, you're running Unity?
User5: PaulePanter, so *Einstellungen* is the correct one for GNOME
User5: jbicha, he seems to be running gnome-shell, but unity-control-center shows up in the activity search
User11: which is expected when you install gnome desktop over unity
User10: Sorry, other way around.
User11: Umm
User10: My colleague uses Unity, and I installed GNOME for myself.
User11: Over unity?
User10: Now he has the problem in *Unity*, that when he searches in the overlay menu (pressing Windows key), that when typing *Einst* the GNOME menu comes first.
User11: then he should uninstall gnome-control-center
User10: I mainly wonder though, why gnome-control-center wouldnât work under Unity.
User10: User11 Well, *I* use GNOME and would like to have it installed.
User11: then uninstall unity-control-center? :)
User5: jbicha, "NotShowIn=Unity;" for gnome-control-center?
User10: Isnât there a way to configure, that gnome-control-center is ignored by Unity in searches (the UI)?
User11: or that
User11: you can hide the desktop shortcut probably
User10: User11 As gnome-control-center isnât fully functional under Unity (I though both use the X server), my colleague wants utity-control-center installed. ;-)
User3: it's a bit complicated
User11: Well, gnome-control-center writes to gnome-settings-daemon afaik
User3: for instance, to use some GNOME apps, you need to be able to use GNOME's Online Accounts and Search panels which aren't in unity-control-center
User11: unity writes to unity-control-center
User11: err, unity-settings-daemon
User3: so I'm not really sure how to fix this well in stable Ubuntu releases
User11: I wouldn't bother to be honest.
User11: Want to use unity? Use unity control center. Want GNOME? Use GNOME. Unity folks forked gnome settings and daemon for a reason.
User3: the good news is that I believe this is fixed in 18.04 LTS by switching the default to GNOME
User11: :D
User3: there may be a Unity community flavor but it will be a lot of work for them to deal with issues like this one
User11: Unless someone is going to maintain Unity.
User11: Right.
User10: Thatâs still one year ahead, confusing users having both desktop environments installed.
User3: I think the guys that have stepped up so far to try to maintain Unity aren't aware of the issues they will soon have
User3: User10 you're welcome to file a bug, but because of the complexity I don't know the right way to fix this
User3: the important part is that on Unity, you'll want to use "System Settings" but in GNOME, you'll want to use "Settings"
User10: User3 Yes, we figured that out. But âa normal userâ will probably have a hard time.
User10: User3 What component should I report this to?
User3: gnome-control-center
User10: Understood.
User8: User3 except for gnome-shell crashing (I really should've done that do-release-upgrade on another runlevel) everything went very smooth! thanks again for your reply
User10: As I donât have access to the device right now, could you please translate the monitor setting label for me? Unity: AnzeigegerÃ¤te*, GNOME: *Bildschirme* (from memory).
User10: That way, I use the correct words in the bug report.
User3: the "normal user" will have other problems trying to run Unity and GNOME Shell in the same install, for instance, Ubuntu GNOME's default theme doesn't look right in Unity, and Unity's default theme doesn't look right in GNOME
User10: At least my colleague and I didnât notice that.
User10: I submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1682501.
User9: Ubuntu bug 1682501 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Causes user confusion by showing up in Unity" [Undecided,New]
User12: anyone else have an issue with network-manager-openvpn?
User1: Congrats on the release guys
User3: User1 thanks for testing the release images!
User1: No problem man, is there anything that needs an extra hand today?
User3: not in particular, we were told to enjoy our weekend: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2017-April/001210.html
User1: lol, well if you need an extra set of eyes on the outreach or social media or anything, let me know
User3: we don't have much of a social media team so you're welcome to try to help out there
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