User1: i tried to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 10 and it softbricked it. what can i do?
User2: Can you install app
 * rickspencer3 phablet-flash -b
User3: hi
User3: are there any instructions on how to unbrick a nexus galaxy?
User4: good morning
User5: Oyez! Oyez! Good morning all and happy Town Crier Day! :-D
User6: morning tmoenicke, I've got a calculator app bug that affects the keyboard. I wanted to add a bug task for the keyboard, but I could not find any project for it in Launchpad. What would the best project be? It's bug 1198842
User7: bug 1198842 in Ubuntu UX "Keyboard partly overlaps keypad instead of covering it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198842
User8: User6 hi. it would be touch-preview-images
User6: thanks tmoenicke, added a bug task for it
User3: anyone who had a bricked phone?
User3: am I the only one looking for unbrick instructions?
User9: User3 hiya, I've not managed to brick mine
User9: when you say "brick", what state is it in?
User9: can you boot to recovery with power + vol?
User6: tmoenicke, related to that bug ^^, is there any plan for custom keyboard layouts?
User3: popey, I can't turn it on see the bootloader screen etc
User3: cant boot
User6: hikiko, what device is it? How are you trying to start the bootloader? What did you do before this happened?
User3: nexus galaxy
User3: dpm, I hadn't charge the phone for > 1month
User3: and then I:
User3: 1- plugged it in
User3: 2- pressed the 3 buttons that I usually press to start the bootloader
User8: User6 yes, we will have that very soon
User3: 3- I saw the bootloader screen for a few seconds
User3: 4- it turned on by itself
User3: 5- I thought it's a battery issue so I left the phone charging > 12hrs
User3: then I was trying to turn it on and nothing was happening
User3: I can only see the charging icon
User3: appearing and disappearing when I plug/unplug it
User6: tmoenicke, cool, is there a blueprint where we can track the status of when it gets implemented and how to use the feature? It'd be extremely useful for the calculator app developers.
User9: User3 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2134940  see #3 comment
User8: User6 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1303-apps-osk
User3: popey, I tried this also I installed windows to try this:
User8: User6 dynamic layouts to support url, phone numbers, etcs: TODO
User3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146790
User6: tmoenicke, excellent, thanks! Nice to see the work to switch language in progress as well :)
User3: but I have troubles installing the OMAP driver
User3: and I thought that is better to ask here first in case there's a linux solution
User9: User3 sorry, I have no experience of this, I'd just be googling like you.
User10: hikiko, android prevents ypu from booting if the cable is plugged in (thats why it shows you that battery anumation, thats actually inside the initrd)
User10: hikiko, make sure to not have the phone plugged in when booting and it should just work
User10: (its an android issue, one of the silliest android features if you ask me)
User3: :D
User3: let me try ogra_
User3: nothing :s
User10: nothing means ?
User3: is there any "dangerous" option in the boot screen that might was selected when it turned off? it doesn't look reasonable :\
User3: it doesn't turn on
User10: google logo ? black screen ?
User9: I don't think even android ships with a "never boot again" tickbox â»
User3: blank screen
User10: heh, no
User3: lol
User10: sounds like your battery might be broken
User9: iOS does, but you don't get to see it ã
User3: if it was the battery would it show the icon when plugged?
User10: thats just android trelling you there is a battery and a cable at the same time
User3: so, it means that there's an android alive somewhere?
User3: and the phone is not 100% dead?
User10: sure, but it wont let you boot since it belives you need yo charge the battery first
User3: ok I ll try to find another battery and check then
User3: is there any way to test
User3: if my battery is charged?
User3: if I remove it from the phone
 * ogra_ doestn know one apart from a complete boot
User10: you could probably check it in sysfs from recovery
User3: hmmm if i use a voltmeter?
User3: :D
User3: I ll try with the voltmeter :)
User3: brb
User10: heh, sure
User3: ogra_, popey I get 1. and the value on the battery is 3.7V...
User9: oof
User9: that sounds double plus ungood
User3: which means that either my charger or the battery is broken?
User3: why?
User3: :s
User3: double plus ungood? :s
User9: well, it sounds bad.
User3: it's not just the charger popey ?
User9: well you could try another charger
User9: or charge via USB from a high current USB charger
User10: and make sure to use an actual charger .... just connecting to a PC will only get you 500mA
User10: (thats not enough)
User3: ok :) I will try charge it for more hours and come back :) thank you both!
User10: well, something like 30min on a real charger should be enough fo getting it to boot at least
User3: ok I ll try in 30 mins then
User3: just found another charger
User11: User9 what happened about the ubuntu-email-app in the end?
User11: User9 and should the sudoku app change it's name to conform to the other core app titles and be call ubuntu-sudoku-app?
User10: didnt we drop the ubuntu- everywhere ?
User9: User11 we're working on the email app, more soon
User9: indeed, we'll drop ubuntu- on the other apps
User11: popey, User10 I actually liked the ubuntu in front it made it easy to distinguish the ubuntu core apps from any others
User11: User9 it meant you could do dpkg -l | grep ubuntu-* and find most of the core apps :)
User11: User9 or apps that would work on touch images at any rate :)
User9: User11 apt-cache show touch-coreapps | grep Depends
User9: User11 apt-cache show touch-collection | grep Depends
User9: â»
User11: User9 E: no package found for the bottom one but then I don't have the ppa added :P
User9: i do it with this script every time I flash my devices: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/post-flash.sh
User9: adds both PPAs and sets timezone etc
User3: ogra_, popey the battery doesn't charge but it's not the charger for sure (when I use it with other devices it works)
User10: well, likely time for a new battery then
User3: I am wondering if it's the battery or the phone was left in a bad state
User3: because all the instructions I see
User3: to unbrick
User3: start with a description where the phone cannot boot or charge
User3: :s
User12: User3 is the charger giving you enough mA? maybe it works for other devices that need less power to charge? or are the same model?
User3: the second charger I tried is for a nexus 7 tablet
User12: if you have the Nexus10 charger, that gives 2000mA i think, may be worth a try using that
User12: oh, ok
User3: and it works fine the tablet is not canonical's it's the tablet I use every day (still has android)
User3: so I know it works
User12: i see
User3: I wonder if I could somehow try to charge the battery without having the phone involved
User3: remove it and charge it externally
User3: is this possible?
User3: http://www.amazon.com/External-Battery-Charger-Samsung-Verizon/dp/B00754WDP4
User3: :D
User10: hikiko, the phone itself will get a complete HW reset if you remove battery and caable at the same time
User10: so i doubt its the fault of the phone
User10: (if you tried that already)
User3: :\
User3: tried
User3: ok i ll try with a new battery tomorrow
User13: User15 hi! are you doing patch piloting today? searching for someone to sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/saucy/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/merge_continued/+merge/173448 as seb128 may not necessarily have time for that, and we'd like that in
User14: Mirv, you might try your chance with dholbach, he just some other qt sponsoring ;-)
User3: ogra_, popey I FIXED IIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!11
User3: It was NOT the battery!!!
User3: it was the phone!!!
User10: oh ?
User3: I see the bootloader again!!!!!!
User3: :DDDD
User10: what was it exactly /
User10: ?
User3: no idea but I can tell you how i fixed it!!
User10: thats what i meant
User3: I installed 2 drivers on windows and used a tool called omap4460_tuna_hs_pro (for windows)
User10: hmm
User3: and then I followed these instructions:
User3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146790
User4: seb128, I finished my shift earlier already :/
User4: but at least I sponsored the other change
User14: dholbach, no worry, that was in case ... but maybe ogra_ can do it, I've the feeling he did do any sponsoring for a while... ;-)
User13: User4 thanks for that! I didn't notice you on the patch pilot calendar for today
User4: Mirv, I was last week but had to move it as I was a busy with other stuff last week :)
User13: User4 ok. should you push the upload to lp:ubuntu/qtbase-opensource-src or somewhere?
User4: Mirv, that should be automerged after the upload landed in saucy
User13: User4 right, ok thanks.
User9: User3 good news!
User3: I still need to reinstall ubuntu
User3: because it boots to nothing atm
User3: but that's easy :D
User3: it seems that something was wrong with the bootloader :)
User3: or who knows rom parts erased, no idea :)
User3: anyway :D I am going to fix it!
User15: User13 sorry, can't do today but will try tomorrow. Regardless, I can't sponsor yet I'm afraid ;(
User16: \o/
User16: User17 hello
User17: User16 hey
User16: how is it going? are we ready for release :)?
User17: User16 haha, sure, anytime
User17: User16 at least flipped is now default, but a lot to come over the next few weeks
User13: User15 ok, thanks. you were the only in the patchpilot calendar in European timezone, that's why I asked
User15: User13 sure, still a trainee though I'm afraid ;)
User18: User16 location bindings aren't complete yet
User18: User16 camera-app glitch bugs already exist
User16: User18 so location bindings not complete == in platform-api feature missing?
User18: User16 they are in platform-api, missing in Qt
User17: well, there's a pending mr for it in platform-api as well
User16: User18 who is doing the qt part?
User16: sdk or us?
User18: User16 tvoss is driving that, but not sure who's really responsible for it
User18: User16 regarding camera glitches https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1125302
User7: Ubuntu bug 1125302 in camera-app "[camera-app] taking picture with the face cam quickly after switching the camera causes upside down image to be displayed with edge corruption" [Critical,Confirmed]
User16: User18 nice. that exactly describes my issue :)
User16: thanks
User16: the milestone seems to be the past though :)
User18: true
User10: we need to start filing bugs in the normal bugtracker asap
User18: User10 normal as in not the code but the distro one?
User17: well, this one is against the package itself
User10: normal as in not upstream, not under some artificial project like touch-preview-images
User10: rsalveti, nope, it is against upstream
User17: indeed
User10: running "ubuntu-bug camera-app" on your phone will most likely not identify it as duplicate since it isnt in the distro namespace at all
User17: User10 but should we dup in the package itself as well? the upstream bug seems fine as well
User10: ti should have a saucy-ubuntu task
User17: it's hard when we're both upstream and downstream
User10: saucy/ubuntu
User10: we should encourage the usage of ubuntu-bug
User10: (that way all wiki documentation also applies automatically)
User17: well, would that open the browser and such?
User18: User10 but you'd need to run ubuntu-bug on the phone
User17: never tried it on the phone
User10: sergiusens, indeed
User18: User10 we need a ubuntu-bug --remote-system option or something
User10: well, i am under the assumprion that ev works on integratimng whoopsie and apport
User10: after all we want shiny stats on errors.u.c to identify the severity etc
User10: (and this will require the tools installed)
User10: in any case i think filing bugs upstream for packaged distro stuff is wrong ... even if we are upstream ourselves
User19: there are two solutions
User19: either syncing upstream/downstream
 * didrocks has scripts for that, even opening a "master bug" on one project
User10: do tools like errors.u.c cope with that ?
User19: User10 errors.u.c is only crashes, so bugs opened with ubuntu-bugs
User10: right
User19: if you report a stacktrace manually, even against the packaging bug, it won't list it anyway :)
User17: User19 did you always keep the bugs in sync for projects we're upstream? (package x upstream)
User19: but I think the prefer way is just to close upstream bug tracker
User10: ++
User19: User17 I did that for a very long time in unity
User19: the script also opens a master "unity" task
User17: right
User19: syncing status and so on
User19: but TBH, I would prefer we avoid continuing on that path :)
User10: as long as we are the only downstream for a project i agree that we should just use the downstream tracker
User17: closing the upstream bug tracker works if only ubuntu is the downstream
User17: which is fine for now
User19: I would say, let's do it that way for now with our current requirements and constraints
User10: if there are new downstreams showing up you indeed wnat an upstream specific tracker too
User19: and revisit later on
User17: sounds fine
User17: who will take the action of cleaning that up for all the projects we're upstream?
User10: (especially since new downstreams are less likely to use LP at all for their downstream bugs)
User18: User17 ogra_ popey did it last time, he may offer himself again :-)
User19: User18 s/may/wants to/
User19: but doesn't know yet :p
User10: voluntold ...
User18: how would you open a bug for something not in the distro?
User10: sergiusens, upstream
User10: in the upstream tracker ...
User18: User10 wasn't the suggestion to close the stuff we are upstream for?
User10: but since you verified the bug in an ubuntu install you want a downstream task in LP anyway
User10: sergiusens, to close the upstream bugs for it and keep downstream ones open
User18: User10 well not all packages are in ubuntu yet
User18: User10 instead of closing, is there anything agains linking?
User10: thats why i'm so pushy to get rid of the PPAs :)
User10: sergiusens, no you can indeed just open a distro task on LP for LP upstream bugs
User17: User18 we can still keep the touch-preview for some things atm, but later on we might just move to package based bugs
User17: we could have a report to show all the bugs for the packages we care
User10: errors.u.c should offer that
User17: that way we could easily know which ones we need to fix and such
User10: (or at least should get support to filter for it at some point)
User18: ok, but I mean, instead of closing bugs, to link existing ones, like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camera-app/+bug/1125302
User7: Ubuntu bug 1125302 in camera-app "[camera-app] taking picture with the face cam quickly after switching the camera causes upside down image to be displayed with edge corruption" [Critical,Confirmed]
User10: sergiusens, not liking, just open an ubuntu task in it
User10: "also affects distro"
User18: User10 I call that linking :-) Good then
User10: :)
User17: User18 but we still need to decide and close all the upstream bug tracking for packages that are already available in ubuntu
User17: that's kind of a big manual task
User10: right, and kind of communicate the right defaults you need to process as reporter
User17: yup
User9: 14:18:20 < rsalveti> who will take the action of cleaning that up for all the projects we're upstream?
User9: ok!
User10: (which shouldnt differ from normal ubuntu process in the end)
 * popey hugs sergiusens
User9: *tightly*
User18: lol
User18: User9 well I was volunteered after naming you, so I can do it too, or we can split the task
User9: I'll ping you in a bit, am middle of "stuff" at the moment, will organise it after that
User20: is there a desktop mode on ubuntu touch yet or will that be coming
User20: i figure its a coming feature just wondering
User9: Convergence is scheduled to land April next year krypticos
User20: thank you
User11: User18 never name popey it's bound to back fire ;)
User21: Cimi, User23 I think you two did meeting-notes at the same time :)
User22: kgunn, if you did, take yours mine were pretty much with a brain half switched off :)
User23: User22 MacSlow  hmmm....i took them in google docs
User23: User22 ah....Saviq had already started the 8th
User21: kgunn, Cimi did them in a template-entry above yours if I saw that correctly
User23: User21 yep...duped the 8th
User22: kgunn, I deleted mines
User23: np
User22: kgunn, I arrived later and started too quickly
User24: pmcgowan, asac, olli, what's up with the smoke tests?
User24: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/
User24: I don't see much green there
User25: rickspencer3, seems a problem running some of the security tests. fact is we need more tests
User24: pmcgowan, more tests are good, but it looks like the ones we have aren't passing
User25: I think they are not running, but need to check
User24: pmcgowan, I don't see any for today, but for yesterday, it looks like none of the touch images past smoke tests
User24: and scrolling down, it looks like it's been some time since they have
User10: todays touch images are still building
User24: ogra_, thanks
User10: the cron job runs at 13:32 UTC
User10: and takes  between 50-90min
User24: ogra_, my question is really, why is that we have smoke tests not passing for what looks like quite a long time?
User24: it looks like it was June 25th since the touch images passed the smoke tests
User24: and that's just the *smoke* tests
User10: rickspencer3, well, looking at the tagged bug it took a few days to get the kernels changed and tested for iptables
User18: User24 it because they are fixing infra for flipped
User16: User24 gimme a sec
User16: on a call
User18: well, most of it was
 * ogra_ has no insight into the testing stuff, only judging by the above table)
User24: sergiusens, what is infra?
User25: sergiusens, ogra_ why do we now have a new sub folder for the downloads?
User24: you mean the testing infrastructure fell over?
User10: pmcgowan, ?
User10: rickspencer3, no, it needs updating for the new image format
User25: phablet-flash/ubuntu-touch/thedate
User16: User24 i know whats going on
User16: will ping you in  acouple minutes
User18: User24 infrastructure
User24: sergiusens, ack
User24: I'm waiting to hear back from asac
User18: User25 to support flipped and unflipped downlaods
User16: User24 User25 1. utah is stable ... all tests that are supposed to run are run nicely every day.
User16: (afaics right now)
 * rickspencer3 waits for 2.
User16: User24 User25 2. quite a few tests are ready for landing it seems (checked with tvoss); just noone did the last step and brought them over the line while i was there
User16: :)
User16: now your 3. :)
User24: asac, my question is different
User24: why did we allow changes to land that failed the smoke tests? and then, why did we tolerate broken smoke tests for so long?
User16: 3. we landed a security test that fails for a feature that is critical for this month, but which hasn't landed yet
User16: thats a visualization thing
User24: oops, there was a 3
User16: so the test that fails reflects that we dont have the new apparmore which blocks all app confinement and hence our click package demo
 * ogra_ thought it was ufw failing
User10: due to missing kernel support for iptables
User26: ufw passes now
User16: culd be both ... but both are crtical for this month
User10: jdstrand, right, but it didnt for a while
User16: i felt it was valid to add stuff at the beginning of the month that is critical
User26: I filed a bug to install ufw on the touch images by default
User16: and i didnt want to put the load to create a separate dashboard on QA
User26: that should be enough to fix the ufw test
User24: asac, well, typically, we have a set of "smoke tests" that tell us if the image is worth testing that day
User24: does it install, boot, update, etc...?
User26: (also, apparmor is on the images and the images are flipped-- it should pass now too)
User16: ok... what i am working on is daily image testing... the fact that they show in the smoke test dashboard is my wrongdoing
User24: "wrongdoing"
User24: lol
User16: User24 https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGR3c1NUM2RnYkNBYjVMTkMxVjFqb2c#gid=0
User16: i will ask folks to make a separate "daily critical tests" dashboard if folks find it too confusing
User24: asac, well, it points out that we have a bit of a problem
User24: you explained the first part of question, but not the second part
User16: right. thats what i want to express. its critical. btw, there is the "default" which is the very minimal smoke
User24: "why did we tolerate broken smoke tests for so long?"
User24: we need to address this if we want to deliver everything that we want for 13.10
User24: we can't let long lists of bugs and regressions accrue, it slows everyone down
User24: </soapbox>
User16: its not a regression. its a featyure that is critical but hasnt landed
User16: hence ... its a visualization thing.
User24: asac, well, I guess it points to a more general problem that I am seeing
User24: regressions getting into the product, and not immediately addressed
User10: no, tests landing before the feature is done
User10: :)
User10: always depends on the POV
User16: User24 the fail you see in the dashboard is not a regression. its a feature that hasn't landed...
User16: arguable its late
User24: asac, I understand what you are saying
User16: howver, i agree we have loads of important bugs
User24: right
User27: popey, mhall119, apologies for missing the meeting, I've been having network issues today
User24: asac, what worries me in the story is not that some tests doomed to fail snuck into the smoke tests
User10: jdstrand, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy you can just add ufw there (any core-dev can)
User26: User10 huh, I swear I did a bzr pull and it wasn't there
User26: User10 thanks :)
User26: ah
User26: ubuntu*-touch*.saucy
 * jdstrand snags
User10: yeah
User10: not in main yet so we kept is out of the normal seed branch
User10: it will get merged into the std, seeds at some point before release
User26: that's cool
User10: there still has a lot of MIRing to happen ... we'll do that alongside
 * jdstrand nods
User16: how about having the standup on hangout?
User16: veebers: hey ... what needs to happen before we can run http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/files/head:/tests/autopilot/ on our phone images?
User28: adjust the window and keyboard size ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/317794
User27: mzanetti, is this ready to merge? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/cupstream2distro-config/more-flexible-results/+merge/173187
User29: User27 yeah. I already changed the jobs manually to unblock them
User29: User27 so not in a rush, but should be merged before deploying next time
User27: mzanetti, I'll get merged and deployed
User29: User27 cheers
User30: is there a planned date for the background services in Ubuntu touch (especially downloading files but also playing music)? I need these to get my podcast app into a usable state.
User9: User30 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/SdkFeatureStatus is a good page to keep an eye on.. or better, the linked blueprints
User9: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-background-task-service this one specifically
User9: â¹  no work items
 * popey pokes tvoss
User31: popey, hold on, otp
User31: popey, best to check with mhall119, the specific background tasks have been moved to individual blueprints
User9: ah
User9: ok
User11: User9 open a terminal, let you phone sleep, go back to the terminal is you keyboard now a grey square and non functional as well as the terminal being non functional?
User9: User11 how did you wake the phone?
User9: (and then get back to terminal)
User11: User9 pressed the power button then slide the welcome screen to the left
User9: k
User9: heh, woke mine too soon, no welcome screen, power tap just went back to terminal
User9: (which still works
User9: )
User11: User9 if you have the same issue I have no idea what to file against I'm assuming it is unity not knowing that the app is open or something in qt/powerd or something
User11: User9 I'm trying the same test on a few apps now
User11: User9 the other thing is it might be the keyboard
User32: User17 Are there plans to support MTP in UbuntuTouch? (If I'm missing it in the current build-- don't hate me :P)
User11: User9 Ha same thing on the browser with the keyboard up,  Open browser, pull up the url bar, click in it, let it sleep, wake with the power button and slide
User10: Hashcode, there is some proof of concept code for an mtp server ... not sure what the final plan is though
User11: User9 looks like it is the keyboard that is locking up the app, I'll try the browser again without the keyboard being up
User32: ogra_ there's such a limited amount of code available for mtp server portion. :/  thanks for the info?  Is that up on launchpad anywhere?
User10: tvoss|dinner, ^^^
User11: User10 the keyboard on touch is mallit have I spelt that right?
User33: User6 ping
User10: davmor2, close ... drop one l and add one i
User11: User10 thanks
User9: imalit â»
User10: :P
User9: User11 you using todays image?
User11: User9 no that is apples implementation
User11: User9 I upgraded this morning so I guess that would be yesterday image
User6: hey nik90
User11: User9 20130707
User33: User6 Can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1198669 and advice on what can be done to fix it.
User7: Ubuntu bug 1198669 in Ubuntu Clock App "German translation needs more space" [Medium,Confirmed]
User32: ogra_ any unofficial guides out there yet on how to do the Saucy boot changes?  wiki page not updated yet :/
User33: User6 popey suggested to replace the text with an image which is fine with me. But I still like to know how to solve such similar situations in the future.
User9: User11 ok, i dont get the problem on the image I have on mine which is 20130707
User11: User9 right so might be specific to the galaxy nexus then I'll try on my n7 and see if that is the same
User6: nik90, replied, thanks for the heads up
User10: Hashcode, to roll flipped images you mean ?
User32: yeah
User33: User6 np. Will email the mailing list since I think this is something any core apps can face in the future.
User32: ogra_ new saucy images need those changes no?
User10: Hashcode, grab https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/armhf/ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd and unpack it ... there is an initrd buried in it ... you want to add that to the boot.img
User32: AH
User32: k
User10: also make sure that your device specific zip ships  the original android ramdisk inside /system/boot
User6: thanks nik90!
User10: and replace the boot.img in your device specific zip with the one you updated with the initrd from the package
User10: then make sure to install the device specific zip first so that the non device specific one can pull the ramdisk from /system/boot
User10: that should be abll
User10: *all
User32: I like it.
User32: ogra_ thank you :)
User34: rsalveti, is there any way to make pin locked sim work?
User10: we do a scan for the partition names during boot ... not all of them are in the list yet i guess (thatr will need feedback from porters)
User32: Oh
User32: where do you scan for the names?
User32: /proc/partitions?
User32: or /dev/block/platform**/by-name?
User34: rsalveti, tried to do it via the ofono dbus interface, but it seemed like it's not even implemented
User10: so if something is wrong with booting after you made these changes, it is most likely related to a partition name the scripts dont know yet
User10: we need the "by-name" list
User32: IS there a variable to set it by platform?
User32: IE: qcom has a different path than oamp
User32: omap
User10: nope, currently it is a list we ship in the initrd
User10: no, it hasnt under ubuntus udev ;)
User10: in ubuntu it is always /dev/disk/by-name
User32: oh very nice
User32: :)
User10: but the names vary
User32: But isn't that kernel specific?
User10: and i douobt we cover all yet
User10: no, udev creates the /dev/disk dir based on udev rules
User32: ah
User32: that's really quite nice
User10: yup :)
User33: User35 ping
User32: I don't think I have any oddly named partitions
User10: partlist="userdata UDA DATAFS"
User10: thats the essential bit for booting
User17: User34 we're about to merge the pinlock support for ofono
User10: if your data partition has a similar name all should be fine
User17: User34 hopefully it should be available in tomorrow's image
User32: ogra_ yeah we're good
User10: great
User10: so just shuffling the initrds around shoould get you going then
User34: rsalveti, yey, so finally my sim will work :) cool
User10: and indeed you need to use the flipped userspace zip :)
User17: User34 in case you want to keep track of the mr: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-extras/ofono-sim-pin-support/+merge/172204
User33: User6 Fixed the translation issue you brought in a new MP https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-duplicate-translation-strings/+merge/173555
User35: User33 pong
User33: User35 can you check if https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/replace-clock-hand-animation/+merge/173341 fixes the second hand lag problems you mentioned in the meeting?
User36: where should I file power issue bugs for apps like the clock app?
User33: User35 popey already confirmed that it seemed to have fixed it. Just making it sure if you and James hunt the original reporter a bug report concerning a similar issue.
User35: User33 yes, it's in big red bold letters in my Thunderbird inbox, just waiting for me to have a chance to load the code onto my N7
User33: User35 how did you get it in your thunderbird?
User35: User33 your MP email, I highlighted it so I'd remember to try it
 * nik90 wonders if he sent an email while sleepwalking
User33: User35 ah :-)
User35: Launchpad sent it
User35: one of the hundred or so MP emails I get on a daily basis
User6: nik90, reviewed, thanks!
User33: User6 you think that UTC can be translated?
User35: that's my NSA anti-snooping protection, if they ever went through my emails they'd give up after all the bug, MP and mailing list emails and never see any of the incriminating stuff :)
User33: User6 It is any temporary location until we get the gps location officially from the phone
User33: User35 hehe :)
User33: User35 so you pretty much get all the MP, bug reports of all the core apps?
User33: User35 that must be a huge list of mail every day
User35: User33 yeah, and a bunch of other LP project I havne't turned off emails from
User6: nik90, I could imagine some languages might want to translate it, and it wouldn't hurt. You might also want to set your time zone to UTC manually
User35: User33 it is :)
User35: lots of them get filtered away into folders that I mostly ignore though
User35: but all the core apps emails still come to my inbox
User33: User6 okay. I will revert that then
User6: cking, you can file it on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+filebug and add a bug task for whichever part of the platform related to power it affects
User35: so that I see lovely little gems like your second hand animation fix
User36: dpm, ack
User33: User35 :-)
User33: User6 done
User6: nik90, and approved ;)
User33: User6 thnx
User33: User36 ping
User32: ogra_ I also have some ext3 fs devices where there is no by-name dir?  Will it still add mmcblk1p## to the list to where I can hard reference it in the "touch" script? like partlist="mmcblk1p23 userdata UDA DATAFS"
User32: it == udev
User36: nik90, pong
User33: User36 what do you mean by context switches/second?
User33: in your bug report?
User36: nik90, run vmstat 1
User33: done
User36: you will see it shows the context switch rate - that is, process <-->process switching
User33: ah ok. I have no idea why the clock app switches that many times, but I will try to find someone with experience in this field to take a look at the code.
User33: User36 Although for the clock app, we havent really started any performance susan92@example.org.
User36: nik90, I can see that :-)
User33: :-)
User36: nik90, it's pointless me trying to save 0.1mA on idle if we have apps that drain the battery by context switching like a headless chicken running back and forth
User33: User36 nice visual description :D
User36: i fear that it may be impossible to optimise away the context switches if the glossy animation is the number #1 priority
User10: Hashcode, this is only about userdata (and later about system) .... as long as these are named properly all is fine
User32: ogra_ there's no by-name dir on my older ext3 devices
User10: then they dont have partition names
User32: yeah there's a patch in the init binary which creates dev/block/* symlinks based on cmdline params
User32: but no true "names"
User10: well, file a bug against the initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch package, it should support override vars
User32: I can probably do something in the kernel as well w/o the need for init patch
User32: If I'm providing cmdline params
User10: thats what i mean ... systempart= datapart= .... the touch script should support that ...
User10: file a bug and assign me, i'll take care
User32: ah
User32: will do
User10: as a quik hack you should b able to just modify the script
User32: Yeah I'm looking at it
User32: er.. hm, doesn't seem like I can file bugs against initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch
User32: er.. I can file a bug against the .22 version
User32: ogra_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/+bug/1199084 can't seem to find you as assignee tho.
User7: Ubuntu bug 1199084 in initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch (Ubuntu) "mount support via cmdline parameters: systempart= datapart=" [Undecided,New]
User10: thx !
User32: :)
User32: No no.. thank you!
User37: hi! Has anyone exprienced 100% cpu usage on rild?
User37: I made a bug report to lauchpad regarding this; https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1197656
User7: Ubuntu bug 1197656 in touch-preview-images "[rild] mako + 20130703.1, rild hogs 100% CPU" [Undecided,New]
User37: Yes, I still have the same problem
User37: just flashed 20130708
User38: rsalveti, is there a bug open for the Wi-Fi indicator reading "Empty!" after trying to connect to an AP?
User17: User38 bug 1195787
User7: bug 1191822 in touch-preview-images "duplicate for #1195787 After a wireless network is selected the list of networks says "Empty!"" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1191822
User38: thanks!
User17: User38 this is the one I said in the call that was a side effect of a change in glib
User17: so we might need to change/fix nm
User38: what was the change in glib?
User17: User38 https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=31fde567a95ff8f50b6b0e75d4010da9b73514ed
User38: k
User17: which is kind of an improving/fix
User17: *improvement
User39: did some one install ubunto on LG p925?
User38: rsalveti, you might want to add a comment to the bug, according to comment #1, it's a problem in the indicator itself: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1191822/comments/1
User7: Ubuntu bug 1191822 in touch-preview-images "After a wireless network is selected the list of networks says "Empty!"" [High,In progress]
User17: User38 nick just updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1195787
User7: Ubuntu bug 1191822 in touch-preview-images "duplicate for #1195787 After a wireless network is selected the list of networks says "Empty!"" [High,In progress]
User17: and marked it as a dup
User17: *just*, 5 hours ago :-)
User38: rsalveti, ack
User17: he's trying to merge indicators-client in unity8: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/indicators-client/+merge/172582
User17: huge mr
User17: but I'm yet completely sure that this will indeed fix the problem
User17: as it was crashing hard inside nm's code
User17: but I'm not that familiar with the code base
User40: Hi
User40: quick question: is there a possibility to make Ubuntu T works on Hisens Sero 7 pro the Walmart version of Nexux
User17: User38 so it seems this will actually replace the indicator as well
User17: User41 do you know if https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/indicators-client/+merge/172582 will indeed replace our previous indicators?
User17: wondering about the logic to handle the network-manager related code
User35: User17 User18 do either of you have time to review another core app for inclusion in the device images?
User35: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/touch-preview-images/add-sudokutouch-app/+merge/173578
User18: User35 you would need to do it against https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy but I would actually want to do it as a click package
User35: are click packages supported yet?
User18: User35 soon will, if it's urgent, add it in an MR
User35: User18 I'm just targetting this for the developer preview device images, not the default install of Ubuntu
User18: User35 well this is where we have out install now that we flipped
User35: oh, ok, didn't realize it had changed
User18: User35 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy/view/head:/touch
User41: rsalveti, it will replace indicators-client and all the indicator-plugin-*, yes
User35: User18 https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch-add-sudokutouchgame/+merge/173583
User17: I can take care of that
User17: User41 awesome
User18: User17 of the sudoku update?
User17: yup, needs merge and meta-package upload
User41: rsalveti, it's basically lp:indicators-client greatly simplified and brought under the right roof
User17: User41 great, looking forward to get that merged :-)
User41: rsalveti, we'll later split out the QML plugin into unity-indicators or something
User41: rsalveti, and move under Unity APIs team jurisdiction
User17: got it
User42: anyone from calendar or rss reader around?
User35: User42 carla sella is rocking the autopilot testing of Calendar
User42: mhall119, I'm trying to get her work merged :-)
User43: ubuntu font on android is pretty cool
User44: Hello !
User35: User45 when will we get other online accounts support in ubuntu-system-settings?
User45: like which ones?
User45: i think google should work
User35: google specifically
User45: we just don't have anything on the device that uses it
User35: it's not an option when adding an account
User45: install the plugin :)
User45: account-plugin-google
User35: which plugin?
User45: nothing depends on it, so not in the image
User45: no apps that need it yet
User45: flickr, instagram, foursquare and linkedin should work as well
 * mhall119 installs them all :)
User45: :)
User45: let me know if any of them blow up :)
User35: User45 seems to have installed a lot of dependencies
User35: google works
User35: lots appear to do nothing though
User35: identi.ca just sits their
User35: so does LinkedIn
User9: identica should be burned in a fire
User9: oh, did I say that aloud? oops
User35: also there's something call "My Space", which I'm pretty sure isn't a real thing
User9: I mean, identi.ca is deprecated, no longer taking signups
User9: being migrated to pump.io
User16: User46 tedg: do you know why the network/wifi indicator thing on the phone often displays no networks (while sometimes it does)? do we use iwlist scan directly rather than querying nm there?
User46: User16 apparently it's a glib bug
User46: User16 if no-one beats me to it I'll dig more into it later
 * cyphermox almost done fixing autoactivation of 3g
User16: User46 yeah. auto switching back and force would be amazing :)
User16: User46 but we query the list from NM, right?
User46: yeah
User46: that glib thing breaks NM to some degree
User16: User46 do you know how i can see whether i am currently on GPRS or 3G or HDSDPA? is that logged somewhere?
User46: User16 ofono knows
User46: I'm not exactly sure how to ask it to tell you though, hold on
User16: oh nice ... seems that at lesat wifi signal strength is somewhat reflected in the indicator now
User35: flickr works, except yahoo's signin is a pain in the rear
User46: User16 dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.NetworkRegistration.GetProperties
User46: User16 I think this will need to be hooked up to the indicator directly rather than going through NM
User16: hmm
User16: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "org.ofono.NetworkRegistration" doesn't exist
User16: guess thats because i am on wifi
User16: nevermind
User16: i have moved my sim elswhere :)
User16: hehe
User16: thanks
User16: User46 the list of visible wifi networks you mean (hooked up directly)?
User46: err, what?
User16: nevermind
User16: think you talked about 3g network type
User46: yes
User16: right
User46: right, that's also how nm-applet works -- poll ModemManager directly for the signal and registration sate
User46: so the indicator should do the same
User16: User47 do you have a yahoo account?
User16: browser seems to not work for susan92@example.org... wonder if thats caused by our user-agent string
User47: User16 it could be, I don't have one
User16: User47 is there an easy way i can change it? is it somewhere in text format on my disk?
User47: User16 yes, one sec
User16: User47 awesome... also if you have other options that we had tried to put there, those would be nice
User16: e.g. whats the firefox one etc.
User16: if not i can google :)
User47: User16 there is a bug tracking that with lots of the options, let me find
User47: User16 /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Browser/UbuntuWebView.qml is where user-agent string defined
User47: User16 here is the related bug with other ua strings to try: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1179596
User7: Ubuntu bug 1179596 in webbrowser-app "browser needs its own UA string" [High,Confirmed]
User16: User47 nice. phablestic. thanks
User47: User16 I know for sure the current usera agent string causes twitter to not work right so probably same issue with yahoo mail
User46: User17 around? I'd upload a new NM.
User17: User46 yup
User46: or User18 ^
User46: ok
User16: User47 yay ... it works
User16: just use firefox on android
User17: User46 what did you change there?
User46: watch the Attached property on the ConnectionManager
User16: wow
User47: User16 nice, can you add that to the bug report please
User17: User46 awesome, will try that out with my mako
User17: see if that fixes the bug I had
User46: User17 so at first the device won't connect, but it will automatically try again after five minutes
User46: it's not perfect yet, but it will help a lot
User17: right
User17: will wait for it to show in launchpad
User46: I'm still thinking about whether it would make sense to hook that up to the Enabled property for NM's modems, but it seems at least a little wrong
User16: wow... yahoo mail is very snappy
User16: compared to gmail
User16: (on galaxy nexus)
User46: User17 for now, what will happen is at boot, if you don't have enough signal and stuff, and you don't have Attached = true, it will warn and not try to bring up the connection
User17: right
User17: but how would you hook that up with the enabled property?
User46: User17 then the autoconnect will trigger every five minutes until you are actually Attached and able to connect
User16: User47 any idea how i can make a launcher icon for that?
User47: User16 those are hardcoded in the shell code
User17: User46 why don't you just watch for the property changes?
User46: User17 well, I already watch other properties to tell the modem is available or not, like Powered and Online
User46: User17 that's what happens
User17: right, but I mean, for Attached specifically
User46: the 5 minutes delay is auto-activation done for every device
User46: I do
User16: User47 wow. hardcoded in qml or even hard-compiled? :)
User17: right, awesome
User46: you can check the diff later :)
User47: User16 dpkg -L unity8 - it's in one of the qml files
User17: yeah, still waiting for lp to get the new release
User47: User16 will be dynamic obviously but not there yet
User47: User16 you could make a desktop file in /usr/share/applications so it will show up as an app in the lens. Look at gmail one for example
User16: User47 kk... o you know about timeline for .desktop files?
User48: hello! I'm trying to build Ubuntu Touch for my Motorola Droid 4, but there's a script missing... under "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting" "Retrieving the proprietary blobs from Android" it says "$ cd device/[manufacturer]/[codename]" and "$ ./extract-files.sh" but there is no "extract-files" in devices/motorola/maserati
User47: User16 don't know timeframe for launcher favs, Saviq would know that
User41: asac, bfiller, launcher (and as part of it launcher pinning) is being worked on currently
User16: User47 oh yeah... now if the app search lens would work again :) ...
User16: let me see. yesterday image it was broken... maybe its fixed today
User16: nope... whenever i hit a key in the search field it disappears :)
User16: User41 known?
User16: 1. go to apps desktop, 2. hit search, 3. hit key on keyboard -> disappears
User41: asac, yes, keyboard does not report its size to the shell
User16: the keyboard shows up
User41: asac, although I'm not sure we managed to report this problem properly
User16: its just that when i push a button the search field AND the keyboard disappear
User16: User41 ok ... which project to file it against?
User41: asac, touch images
User16: User41 but thats unity shell, no?
User41: asac, no, it's a failure of the OSK
User16: k
User16: User17 https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+filebug ... can you change that :)
User47: User16 that's nasty, and new I think
User16: s/-preview//
User16: User17 thats in /topic
User41: rsalveti, did you manage to file the OSK bug that was introduced recently? that it doesn't report its dimensions to the shell?
User16: User47 did we land a new OSK?
User47: User16 yes recently
User17: User16 I'm not sure we want to rename the project at this moment, we're trying to move the bug tasks to ubuntu packages instead
User47: User16 rebased on latest upstream
User16: User17 right
User16: User47 whtas the upstream project for osk?
User16: so i can file there
User16: or waiut ... let me see if i can find :)
User17: User41 hm, not sure if I was tracking that issue, but I didn't open any bug for that specifically
User47: User16 just file in touch-preview-image for now
User17: User41 is that with the new maliit?
User41: rsalveti, yeah, I think we failed tracking that
User41: rsalveti, yes, although it "bundled" with the shell CPU we focused on
User41: rsalveti, and so it was forgot, probably
User17: right
User16: User41 User47 bug 1199150
User48: I have a "lapdock" will I be able to run a ubuntu desktop on it when I have my phone docked?
User7: bug 1199150 in touch-preview-images "search lens disappeared when hitting any key on OSK" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1199150
User16: tagged as dogfood
User16: i guess this is at least important :)
User47: User16 thanks, tmoenicke will fix it tomorrow
User16: User41 so maybe its fixed now, or maybe it was just off ... but on the image from sun or sat night... i somehow managed to get shell in a state that the apps etc. scrolled off the screen (only in one direction)
User16: didnt see it on todays imgae still
User16: User41 not sure if you know that (or undersatnd what iam trying to say) ... if it comes back i probably will try to make a video
User41: asac, yeah, not sure what you mean :)
User16: :)
User16: User41 well, i currently can scroll up and down on app/video etc. screens
User16: the experience was so that it didnt matter which direction i panned... the stuff just scrolled up... and finally nothing was visible anymore :)
User16: anyway... if it comes back i will video it
User16: which reminds me... if we could have "record a video" feature on top of "screenshot" it would be amazing :)
User41: asac, you saw how long a screenshot takes? imagine that 15 fps ;)
User41: asac, should be easier with Mir, though
User16: i guess we could run the screencap in a quick loop or something and make an gif :)
User16: hmm. guess
User16: we have hardware video encode
User16: with that we could probably nicely stream stuff out
User16: without writing to sd :)
User16: j.k.
User49: User10 does Ubuntu touch use system partition?
User49: hmm
User16: User57 do you know if i can get dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_MULTIARCH
User16: from the system without dpkg-dev installed?
User50: /quit
User51: well i'm pretty tempted to switch over to ubuntu touch for daily driver
User51: any feedback? I need sms,calls, 3g data, browser, multiple email accounts
User9: if you want it as your main phone you may want to wait till october
User9: right now it's under heavy development
User51: if it's really glitchy I can revert to a bbz10
User51: I havn't came accross any forum that supported multi roms
User9: It's not somethnig we test
User51: oh of course not .
User51: with the shell being a 180flip is it the same method to change back to android?
 * RobbyF can't find usb cable. go figure.
User9: the install page on the wiki details how to go back
User9: it's not as automated as going from android -> ubuntu, but it's do-able
User51: I know previously it was as easy as flashing
User51: i'll check the wiki before I start.
User52: Hi everyone... i need help flashing ubuntu touch, i've a galaxy nexus, my bootloader is unlocked until i bought the phone... when i try to flash with "phablet-flash -b" command, it reboots to bootloader... but stucks here, nothing happens
User9: User52 has it downloaded the necessary bits into ~/Downloads/phablet-flash ?
User52: yes
User52: into ~/Downloads/phablet-flash are all the files...
User52: but i've tried delete all the files, download the flash files again but is the same...
User52: it stucks on bootloader
User16: User17 we dont have mir in our images yet?
User17: User16 no, but we have an alternative image which uses mir by default
User16: oh cool
User16: User17 how can i tell phablet flash to run that?
User16: err install that?
 * rsalveti trying to remember the link
User16: User17 do you know when we plan to land it?
User52: in january, the first release of ubuntu touch i managed to install that
User52: then i  revert to android, now i want to try it again, but i can't do it :(
User17: User16 ricmm_ is coordinating that, but we need to land some changes in platform-api/shell/apparmor/user upstart before we're ready for the switch
User17: User16 which iirc we expect to land this week
User53: User35 Hey :) Who can edit this page ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding
User54: balloons, ping
User16: User17 ic
User17: User16 at the moment we cannot launch apps with the mir image
User42: iBelieve, pong
User16: User17 who needs that :)
User16: :)
User16: kk
User16: User55 if i do apt-cache search autopilot
User54: balloons, I have a couple of questions about what some of the autopilot tests for file manager are supposed to do.
User16: User55 i see a bunch of packages ... i assume those are good candidates for running?
User42: iBelieve,kk
 * asac looks at unity8-autopilot
 * asac installs that ;)
User55: User16 autopilot-touch is the autopilot app for the touch devices
User54: balloons, for the tests related to the file action dialog, how am I supposed to test opening a file?
User55: User16 unity8-autopilot is the autopilot tests for the unity8 shell
User42: iBelieve, good question. you can add files to the repository to open
User16: User55 not sure what that means... i installed autopilot-touch as i felt that was a prereq. to run anything autopilot on touch... is that correct?
User16: but it doesnt have tests, correct?
User42: so any sample data you might need that's a good way to do it. As far as asserting the file opened or not, well, let's think. what happens in the UI?
User55: User16 that is correct
User54: balloons, I was just going to have the test generate a file to open, but how would I verify that it opened? Since opening it would open the file in some external application
User55: User16 the core phone apps also package their tests, that's what the unity8-autopilot package is
User42: iBelieve, OHH.. lol, I was thinking doc viewer for some reason
User16: User55 so you say unity8-autopilot won't work on phone?
User55: User16 yes it will work fine
User42: iBelieve, so yea not alot you can or should do as far as opening a file.. file manager won't display it
User16: User55 almost :) ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/5856798/
User55: User16 what does 'autopilot --version' give you?
User54: balloons, should I just combine the three file action dialog tests (lp 1188742, lp, 1188740, and LP 1188741) and just test to see that the dialog pops up and then goes away?
User7: Launchpad bug 1188742 in Ubuntu File Manager App "Autopilot Testcase Needed: Test file action open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1188742
User7: Launchpad bug 1188741 in Ubuntu File Manager App "Autopilot Testcase Needed: Test file action cancel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1188741
User54: balloons, lp 1188740
User16: User55 autopilot --version
User16: Autopilot Source Version: 1.3 Autopilot Package Version:
User16: 1.3daily13.06.05-0ubuntu2
User7: Launchpad bug 1188740 in Ubuntu File Manager App "Autopilot Testcase Needed: Test file action dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1188740
User55: User16 ok, can you try installing the 'python-upa' package please?
User42: iBelieve, hmm yes I would say so. Test the dialog to the extent that it makes sense. obviously for open well, you can't verify the file display or open properly, but you can ensure file manager doesn't blow up by issuing the call eh?
User54: balloons, okay, that's what I'll do. Thanks!
User42: your most welcome
User16: User55 not in archive either :)
User55: User16 try adding the autopilot ppa - I suspect that may be the issue
User16: hmmm...
User16: User55 thats not really good. but ok ... do you have it at hand?
User55: User16 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:autopilot/ppa
User55: User16 feel free to file a bug against the python-upa project in launchpad
User16: User55 well i already test this stuff for you
User56: racarr: I asked you before but forgot the answer: how best to be notified that a surface was destroyed?
User56: racarr: oops wrong channel, meant to be in #ubuntu-mir
User16: User55 who owns autopilot?
User16: isnt that qa?
User55: User16 it's the PSQA team, I'm one of them, so is veebers, fginther, alesage, and a few others who aren't online at the moment
User55: User16 we all hang out in #ubuntu-autopilot
User16: User55 ok. whats the ETA to have autopilot working for phone images out of the archive?
User51: Once completed the device should reboot into Ubuntu - whoo hoo
User51: daily images still have fake data?
User55: User16 as far as I know, it's not a scheduled work item - there are more important things to worry about right now. Adding the autopilot PPA isn't a great hardship. Having said that, if someone were to file a bug, I can follow up with the distro people and see what's needed
User52: just flashed, after flash phone goes to recovery mode, with ubuntu logo background, i've done "reboot system now" and it stucks on google logo! why? :(
User57: User16 you can't, no :/
User57: User16 (dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_MULTIARCH)
User16: User57 so the test i have been looking at was using that to figure the right path to find the /usr/lib/.../mir/examples/mir_demo_server location
User16: is there a better place to put that? or a better way to find it?
User16: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5856863/
User57: let's see
User57: User16 the conventional solution to this problem is to hardcode the path where needed, and ship that information in the Arch: any binary package instead of trying to have an Arch: all package discover the paths
User57: User16 is this for a test in the QA lab?
User16: User57 its in an autopilot test
User16: User57 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~thomir/+junk/runbench/
User16: i personally would prefer if we just could bzr branch those and run instead of having to install a package :)
User57: User16 ok.  For autopilot, a dpkg-dev dependency seems reasonable IMHO - it's not ideal, but probably not worth the effort of fixing properly at the moment?
User16: yeah. probably
User57: ah, you mean you want it self-contained without having to install *any* packages... in that case, I'd say "meh, hard-code a mapping from the output of dpkg --print-architecture"
User57: (or from the architecture of the mir package that's installed)
User55: uhhh
User55: so I think the mir-demos package has changed (again), and the demos are no longer shipped in /usr/lib/...
User58: User55 correct!
User55: if that's still the case, I should probably update runbench. TBH, I didn't intend anyone else to use that :-/
User58: User55 They're now back in /usr/bin
User55: User58 well that's nice, I suppose :)
User32: Is the ubuntu CWM recovery needed for the first install?
User32: Or only for auto-updates?
User51: whats with nano/pico not being able to work as text editor for root/write permissions
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