User1: welcome back, ubuntulog_
User2: Meeting in 15 minutes
User2: Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections
User2: User3 is that script useful or annoying?
User2: Meeting in 10 minutes
User2: Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections
User3: User2 useful
User3: User2 we can refine it .... and we should probably delegate it to a proper bot
User2: proper bot is already in progress
User2: (and your presuming this isn't, could be eggdrop bot doubling as an irc proxy)
User3: User2 i realize ... but we don't want to make a permanent service like that tied to a username
User3: User6 ping
User3: User1 ping
User1: User3 Pong
User3: chris4585 cosmicpizza Juzzy orangeninja orias Svpernova09 twayneprice ping
User3: User1 metting starting in <10min
User2: User3 tied to my username yeah, agreed
User2: hence why the main bot is cyberanger-bt
User2: hence why the main bot is cyberanger-bot
User4: pong
User5: rawr
User3: User2 for development purposes its ok ... but bots on usernames in irc - you know how that goes
User2: Meeting in 5 minutes
User2: Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections
User3: thank you cyberanger ;)
User2: User3 get's a bit crazy, yep
 * Unit193 stands to watch
 * cyberanger tells Unit193 to grab a chair & get comfy
User3: User1 i hope you feel encouraged to participate
User2: User3 within his bounds as an ohio resident, yep
User6: User3 pong
User1: User2 It's quite comfy actually (not a desk chair :D )
User3: so we have cyberanger Unit193 orangeninja orias wrst
User3: +myself ... that's 6
User3: not bad for <5min before meeting
User2: User1 you are welcome to our meetings, short of any vote that is restricted (for example our regional leadership is voted on solely by the region their in)
User2: User3 and without an email
User3: User1 what part of TN do you live in?
User2: User3 Unit193 lives in Ohio
User3: User2 i am very keen on http://loco.ubuntu.com
User3: User2 i think that needs to become a priority
User2: User3 yeah, it seems to be a real nice setup
User3: i'll add that as a last minute agenda item
User2: idk with all the issues ubuntu has to deal with, if anything..oh, you meant our priorities
User3: you guys ready?
User2: I think mailing list is higher
User2: User3 nearly ready
User6: User3 i have family in i will be in and out but ready :)
User2: Meeting Time
User2: Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections
User3: #startmeeting
User7: Meeting started at 19:30. The chair is pace_t_zulu.
User7: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
User3: o/
User2: here
User6: \o
User4: o/
User3: User1 and orias were here
User1: \o
User3: [link]http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/146/detail/
User7: LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/146/detail/
User3: [topic]Utilize http://loco.ubuntu.com more extensively
User7: New Topic: Utilize http://loco.ubuntu.com more extensively
User3: ok, so i just added this just now
User2: User3 mind If I start off with something
User3: but i want to draw attention to this ...
User3: User2 this will be brief, then i'll yield to you
User2: User3 sorry, meant before the election (already forgot about this item)
User3: [link]http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team
User7: LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team
User3: this should become a base of information
User3: it provides RSS feeds and iCal feeds ... which can be parsed elsewhere
User3: just wanted to draw attention to that ...
User3: any concerns with utilizing http://loco.ubuntu.com more extensively?
User3: if not, i'll yield to cyberanger
User2: one, we must avoid using it so extensively that we forget about tools that are currently more utilized (I've been bad about our mailing list, our best tool)
User2: that is my one concern, I was bad about using one medium (IRC) for information, more often than not
User3: User2 agreed ... but this relatively new and focused towards the needs of this group - i'm suggesting we embrace it
User2: we might not have much mail on our list, but we have alot of readers on it
User2: I agree, so long as we fix the other places that have taken a blindeye lately
User3: User2 i agree that the mailing list is under-utilized as well
User2: as far as writing, I got enough corrospendence via it, you know about one person for that reason too
User3: [idea] embrace http://loco.ubuntu.com as a new tool for the loco ... while renewing interest in well loved tools like the mailing list
User7: IDEA received:  embrace http://loco.ubuntu.com as a new tool for the loco ... while renewing interest in well loved tools like the mailing list
User2: seems anything on the list wasn't staying on the list, rather it went to the sender, something I fixed, one reason it became underutilized I think
User2: anyhow, moving on, if everyone is ok with that
User3: User2 i'd like to also point out this http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=kstats/charts&view=referrers
User3: let me screenshot that
User3: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1601465 referred 1153 views at http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org
User7: LINK received:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1601465 referred 1153 views at http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org
User2: our fourms which is ignored even more than the mailing list, cool
User3: nearest referrer has only 95 views ...
User2: 89 views
User2: I'd exclude the 95 one, cause it's our own site referring itself
User3: so that highlights cyberanger's point that the well loved tools still have power
User3: User2 yea... the redirect from http://ubuntu-tennessee.org
User3: s/reinforces/highlights/
User3: anyway
User2: and also note, none of that is from me (I have referrer disabled in my browser)
User3: User2 you had something you wanted to discuss quickly before leadership elections
User2: and others may do that, so even with that being metioned, our tutorials drove the most traffic
User2: User3 yes, I would
User3: User2 go ahead
User2: last month I stepped down as trustee, passed the tourch for the remainder of my term (ending today) to pace_t_zulu to manage my time
User2: a little better, try and start a state lug with other members here & elsewhere
User2: and it sounds likely I'll be moving some point in the next month or two
User3: User2 where might you be moving?
User2: I plan on running for east tn leadership, however knowing that my time in tennessee could be limited, I'd prefer to have somebody else take that position, I'll be on IRC to guide and assist this loco in any way I can
User2: User3 most likely, alaska, TSA hasn't offically hired me, and I've got positions I've applied for all over, however none were open in TN
User3: User2 i think you should go ahead and run as if you will be staying in-state
User2: closest is Huntsville, but there is a priority they'd like to fill
User3: User2 seeing as you are thinking of starting a state lug
User3: but its up to you man
User2: while it's not official, rarely does anyone get this far in the process and get turned down
User2: also an offer for a startup isp has come up, but that is 3 months out still
User3: User2 my point is that your leadership is welcome
User3: User2 you can pass the torch if/when you leave
User2: anyhow, I can't be a leader once out of state, and wanted to further metion that it will be unlikely for me to carry out a full yearlong term
User3: we should get a show of hands .... we may have lost some
User2: and last month I forgot about an item on the agenda, I want to make a motion for 6 month terms, seems beyond 6 months things stagnate a bit
User2: User3 good idea, 0/
User2: Juzzy:
User2: User4
User2: User5
User4: o/
User2: User8
User2: User12
User3: we started with cyberanger wrst orangeninja Unit193 and myself
User2: User6
 * Unit193
User2: User3 figured with this bit, might want to try for every tennessean
User2: [topic] shorten leadership terms to 6 months
User2: [TOPIC] shorten leadership terms to 6 months
User2: wrong syntax?
User3: [topic] shorten leadership terms to 6 months
User7: New Topic:  shorten leadership terms to 6 months
User5: o/
User3: i am the topic master
User2: oh, chair only function
User3: apparently
User3: User2 go ahead
User2: idea is for everyone
User3: User2 i'm keen on it
User3: User2 perhaps for regional points of contact?
User2: ideally every leader, re-election
User3: hi orias and orangeninja ... please feel free to voice your thoughts
User8: o/
User5: sorry, trying to get caught up
User2: as both trustee and a regional leader, I found myself and other leaders got distant, worn out, priorities shifted, so forth
User2: at about that point
User3: User2 how bout we vote on it next meeting after we sort out elections now
User2: or at the least, too routine to focus
User3: User2 go one
User3: s/one/on
User5: 6months is a reasonible time frame
User2: User3 we kinda need it before we vote people for another term, unless we make this election contigent on this item next meeting
User2: since this is defining their term limit
User2: don't you think
User3: cyberanger i'm prepared to vote on it now
User2: as am I, anyone opposed to this idea?
User2: if not, lets vote?
User3: orias orangeninja Svpernova09 please feel free to speak your minds before we start the vote
User5: vote on?
User3: let me know if you have nothing to add ... and i'll start
User5: sorry, who are the nominees?
User2: User5 a 6 month term
User8: SHorter terms are fine, but you may run into an issue of you're having to relect people every 6 months
User5: ah
User3: User5 shortening all terms from 1 year the 6 months
User5: aye
User2: User8 right now we have leaders disappearing every 6 months or so anyhow
User3: i suppose going at the same frequency as ubuntu releases
User8: Yeah, very true
User3: which is kinda cool
User3: phase shifted by 2 months
User2: User3 and that'll help with release parties, seems we peak around releases, august to october we plan, then wait till august
User3: anyway ... i'm prepared to vote if everyone else feels like their voice has been heard
User3: User2  right
User3: User2 great idea
 * wrst catches up
User3: User4 you there?
User2: perhaps a litte exgerrated, but kinda hits the issue I see, 6 months is as active we manage to be
User4: yez
User3: User6 6 month terms
User4: yes* een
User6: yeah makes sense
User4: 6 months
User2: User8 would you be willing to give it a try, or have a counter-proposal in mind?
User8: oh, I didn't mean to argue for or against it
User8: Was just throwing out 2 cents
User3: motion to vote on 6 month leadership terms
User2: User8 ah, yeah, and it's a good point, right now I see having leaders get stale every 6 months as an issue too
User3: User2 Svpernova09 it seems to me as if interest peaks around leadership elections perhaps
User2: let's try this, worst case, we vote to return to the current 1 year length if this doesn't work
User8: certainly
User2: I second the motion pace_t_zulu
User2: User3 elections & releases
User3: User2 releases?
User2: ubuntu market's the loco's hard for release parties & such
User3: right
User3: [vote] 6 month term for all leadership positions
User7: Please vote on:  6 month term for all leadership positions.
User7: Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
User7: E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
User3: +1
User7: +1 received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
User5: +
User5: +1
User7: +1 received from orias. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
User5: lol
User3: good hustle orias
User2: tn was dead at that time, so I went to georgia's release party, shortly after w4ett restarted things & each release it grows
User6: +1
User7: +1 received from wrst. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
User8: +1
User7: +1 received from Svpernova09. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
User2: +1
User7: +1 received from cyberanger. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
User3: orangeninja ping
User4: +1
User7: +1 received from orangeninja. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
User3: that's everyone ... right
User3: it carries
User3: [endvote]
User7: Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
User2: yep, agreed
User3: [agreed] 6 month term for all leadership positions
User7: AGREED received:  6 month term for all leadership positions
User3: [topic]nominations for leadership positions
User7: New Topic: nominations for leadership positions
User2: next, I'd like to nominate pace_t_zulu for a 6 month trustee position
User3: thank you cyberanger i accept
User3: no need to assing the time period as part of the position though ;)
User2: he's stepped in my shoes quickly, been doing a great job with it & middle tennessee too (as he's currently our middle tn leader too)
User2: User3 oh, merely reminding myself
User3: motion to start with trustee position then move to regional positions
User6: second ... if its needed
User2: it's custom for the person nominated to abstain, however that is not a requirement
User3: [topic] nominations for trustee position
User7: New Topic:  nominations for trustee position
User2: pace_t_zulu has been nominated by cyberanger & seconded by wrst
User3: wrst would you be interested in the trustee position?
User6: no sir
User6: -1 pace_t_zulu :)
User6: but +1 for pace_t_zulu
User3: i would nominate you otherwise
User6: User3  i think that and the mid tn leadership is right as it needs to be
User2: User3 it's ok, we're gonna draft him for middle tn ;-)
User3: anyway
User3: orangeninja orias Svpernova09 y'all have any nominations?
User8: I don't. I'm just a spectator :_D
User4: ^
User5: ^^
User3: [vote] pace_t_zulu as trustee
User7: Please vote on:  pace_t_zulu as trustee.
User7: Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
User7: E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
User3: =)
User3: +0
User7: Abstention received from pace_t_zulu. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
User3: oops
User6: +1
User7: +1 received from wrst. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
User5: +1
User7: +1 received from orias. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
User8: +1
User7: +1 received from Svpernova09. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
User4: +1
User7: +1 received from orangeninja. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
User3: User2  ping
User7: Private +1 vote received. 5 for, 0 against, 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
User3: [endvote]
User7: Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
User3: [agreed] pace_t_zulu is trustee
User7: AGREED received:  pace_t_zulu is trustee
User3: [topic] regional leadership positions
User7: New Topic:  regional leadership positions
User2: East TN
User2: Middle TN
User3: btw, thanks guys for the votes ;)
User2: West TN
User2: sounds like a good order, we'll follow the sun
User3: ok, everyone say what region you are in
User3: Middle TN
User6: middle
 * cyberanger is currently east tn
User4: middle'
User8: West
User3: yeah middle o/
User3: wow its been a while since middle has outnumbered west for an election
User3: any region for that matter
User3: well so middle can vote
User3: do we want to agree to all vote for all regions?
User3: User5 what part of TN are you in?
User5: west
User3: so we have 1 east ... 3 middle ... 2 west
User2: User3 it'd be a break from precedence, however if it's agreed by everyone here, east has only three members, one is our prior leader too
User2: west has jfenn2199, who's been absent awhile
User2: linuxman410 in the east, who is around every now and then
User2: we kinda need more members in west and east, and afaik, east doesn't have any more to call from
User3: User2 yes, and he's absent now ... so he can't accept an nomination ... unless someone can point to a place in the logs where he said he would accept it by proxy
User2: jfenn2199 & linuxman410 hadn't notified me of that, jfenn2199 was one of the people who needed the meeting time pushed back
User3: User2 if nominated for east tn would you accept?
User2: User3 east tn can't run unless all regions are allowed to vote on an east tn leader
User3: Svpernova09 orias are either of you willing/able to be west tn point of contact for 6 months?
User2: User3 um, come back to me on that, cover middle & west first, give me a chance to think
User8: I would be very reluctant to be a PoC due to my heavy involvement in other projects.
User3: Svpernova09 orias ^ ... till february
User5: Uh same
User3: User8 understood
User3: User5 understood
User5: what's involved?
User8: orias and I are actually heavily involved/invested in the local hackerspace
User3: point of contact for that region
User2: interface with the local hackerspace, lug
User3: #MidsouthMakers ?
User8: Yah
User3: User8 i don't see why that doesn't make you more qualified for the part
User2: plus I'm sorta an unoffical liasion for the lugs
User5: so how about the group being the point of contact?
User2: maybe host a release party or a meeting every so often
User3: Svpernova09 orias it would have to be one of you two
User3: Svpernova09 orias ... you could host a release party at your hackerspace
User2: better to have somebody aware of limits, than nobody at all
User5: how often?
User3: ^ that would be massive for our loco
User2: release parties are 6 months apart
User5: We have a strong *nix presence
User3: release party is every 6 months
User8: User5 what do you think about us doing it between the 2 of us?
User5: I'd be comfortable with that
User2: we aim for monthly meetings too, but baby steps
User5: we meet as a hackerspace every week,
User2: netritious & jfenn2199 tried that, worked for a long while
User8: orias and I see each other every week at least once. And we talk pretty much everyday
User2: longer than your terms
User8: So....
User3: and a release party is simply a party ... with ubuntu's latest release as an excuse to party
User5: heh
User8: If we'd work together as a PoC... I think we'd do fine.
 * orias will print the shotglasses
User5: thats cool with me
User2: one could turn it into an installfest, but yeah, it's a party at the least
User8: I can even set up communications via @midsouthmakers.org email for us
User8: our local LUG tried an installfest recently, not sure what the turnout was
 * wrst thinks west tn is in good hands
User3: wouldn't be the first time we've had two PoCs in west tn ... no reason why we can't now
User6: agreed pace_t_zulu
User2: I nominate orias & Svpernova09 as a duo to run west tn
User5: golum has seemed to stall
User3: i second that nomination
User3: orias Svpernova09 do y'all accept the nomination?
User2: User3 it worked for over 6 months, this time 6 is the max per term, love the idea
User5: aye
User8: Sure
User3: motion to vote
User3: on west tn
User2: I deny that motion
User3: oh
User3: ok
User2: until we vote on all members or each region
User2: due to a numbers issue for west & east tn
User3: User2 Â¿por que?
User3: i think i missed an accent or two there
 * wrst is just ready to +1 something!
User2: we can't have the two being nominated vote themselves in, same for me in east tn (if I accept that nomination)
User3: User2 it doesn't get done otherwise
User2: so we need to vote an exception to the normal rule, that all present can vote for all regions
User6: User2 you need that as a motion for all members to vote on all regions?
User3: User2 in light of the shorter terms ... i don't see a problem
User3: User6 +1
User6: ok I make a motion we allow all members to vote in all regions
User2: yes, I made that motion too, but I didn't hear a second, and then west tn came up
User2: I second
User3: motion to vote on allowing all members present at meeting to vote for all regions in tennessee
User6: second
User6: oh yeah :)
User2: User3 for this meeting
User3: do we need to vote or we're good
User2: as an exeption on the rule
User2: we need to hear all are acceptable, at the least
User3: User2 you were the one who previously denied the motion
User2: no objections
User3: so i then retable my motion to vote on west tn point of contact
User2: I denied the motion to vote orias & Svpernova09 since they'd be the only ones eligable to vote
User3: User2 i see
User2: not the motion to extend who can vote
User3: lets go
User2: ok, so no objections, everyone can vote on leadership, for this meeting
User3: [vote] orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in East TN
User7: Please vote on:  orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in East TN.
User7: Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
User7: E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
User3: +1
User7: +1 received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
User4: +1
User7: +1 received from orangeninja. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
User2: then I withdraw my objection to vote on our west tn duo
User2: +1
User7: +1 received from cyberanger. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
User6: +1
User7: +1 received from wrst. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
User5: +0/+1
User8: +0
User7: Abstention received from Svpernova09. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
User5: +0
User7: Abstention received from orias. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4
User3: [endvote]
User7: Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 4
User3: congrats orias and Svpernova09 ...
User3: i appreciate you guys stepping up
User2: User3 can you put an agreed for my motion too then
User8: woo
User2: for the logs
User3: [agree] all members present at meeting are allowed to vote on point of contact for all regions in tennessee
User3: [agreed] all members present at meeting are allowed to vote on point of contact for all regions in tennessee
User7: AGREED received:  all members present at meeting are allowed to vote on point of contact for all regions in tennessee
User2: thanks
User3: [agreed] orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in East TN
User7: AGREED received:  orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in East TN
User2: no
User2: west
User2: lol
User3: so again
User3: oops
User3: sorry bout that guys
User3: nice catch cyberanger
User3: [vote] orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in West TN
User7: Please vote on:  orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in West TN.
User7: Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
User7: E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
User3: +1
User7: +1 received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
User5: +0
User7: Abstention received from orias. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
User8: +0
User7: Abstention received from Svpernova09. 1 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1
User2: +1
User7: +1 received from cyberanger. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2
User3: wrst orangeninja ping
User6: +1
User7: +1 received from wrst. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
User4: +1
User7: +1 received from orangeninja. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4
User3: [endvote]
User7: Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 4
User3: [agreed] orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in West TN
User7: AGREED received:  orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in West TN
User3: +1 cyberanger
User2: wish I caught that sooner though
User3: [topic] middle tn point of contact
User7: New Topic:  middle tn point of contact
User3: User2 wish i didn't type it in the first place
User2: I draft...err nominate wrst as middle tn poc
User3: User6 do you have interest in thise position,
User3: ?
User6: User3 interest yes, time probably not so much
 * cyberanger had been teasing him about it
User6: wish i could but kid, moving, job etc etc i don't think i would do it justice
User2: User6 could you give it a try, perhaps split with pace_t_zulu ?
User3: User6 where are you moving?
User6: just across town
User3: different address, same town?
User3: cool
User2: I do serously think you'd be good, one in cookeville with an active lug, one in nashville with an equally active lug
User2: User6 ^
User6: User2 would I be pace_t_zulu's humble servant yes sir
User3: haha
User2: User6 co-poc?
User3: no servants round here
User2: or just servant?
User6: however if pace_t_zulu would like the title and i would assist anyway possible
User3: i'd gladly yield the title to you wrst ...
User2: serously, at the least wrst I do think if you & pace_t_zulu split like west did this past year, and is doing so again
User2: it'd help a huge bit in your region
User6: i don't care to try that just me making many "live" appearances probably isn't going to be real likely right now for me
User2: I tried that (unoffically) in east tn & it did work, for a time
User2: User6 live in nashville, cookeville, or at all
User3: User4 do you have anything you'd like to say about this?
User6: be back in 5
User4: No I would be willing to help any way I could.
User3: well you do have general availablility wrst ... not live - no ... but you are on top of things
User6: yes and that should continue pace_t_zulu
User2: and we've had alot of live appearances go less than expected, at this point my concern is merely online and local, to the best of eveyone's ability (I could barely get outside my own town for a year)
User4: il help wrst and pace_t_zulu any way i can
User6: just as long as everyone knows my limitations i'm in for whatever you need me to do
User2: User6 is that a yes to sharing poc with pace_t_zulu then?
User3: User6 you are one of our most active members ;)
 * cyberanger nominates wrst & pace_t_zulu to share middle tn poc, hopes they'll accept
User3: i accept
User3: User6 ?
User2: User6 netritious & jfenn2199 had alot preventing each of them from doing it well, but both of them did manage to pull it off, by splitting the load
User2: 01:41:48             wrst | be back in 5
User2: User3 perhaps we should come back to middle?
User3: [20:42:41] <wrst> just as long as everyone knows my limitations i'm in for whatever you need me to do
User3: sure
User2: ah, hrm...
User3: [idea] east tn point of contact
User7: IDEA received:  east tn point of contact
User3: [topic] east tn point of contact
User2: he made that vauge enough, I see that as an implied acceptance
User7: New Topic:  east tn point of contact
User3: i nominate cyberanger
User3: with full knowledge of his unpredictable future
User2: I accept, with an additional reservation (additional to the one pace_t_zulu reminded above)
User3: User2 it is a 6 month term ... let's not concern ourselves with that
User6: sorry but cyberangerthat's a yes :)
User2: if somebody from further north in my region steps forward, I would like to split the duties with them
User3: ok, keep that in mind let's pop back to middle tn real quick
User2: it seems to work better, than one guy 50 miles from the rest
User3: [topic] middle tn point of contact
User7: New Topic:  middle tn point of contact
User3: motion to vote on middle tn point of contact
User2: I re-nominate pace_t_zulu & wrst splitting middle tn poc
User2: & make a motion to vote as such
User3: we have both accepted
User2: & I make a motion to vote as such
User3: orangeninja orias Svpernova09 ... y'all ready to vote
User3: ?
User5: aye
User4: yes
User2: I'm set
 * wrst readies the abstain button
User3: haha
User3: if Svpernova09 doesn't get back quick - i'm going to use the facilities
User3: brb afk
 * cyberanger redies the red button labeled nuclear launch in one hand, the +1 in the other, puts on a blindfold & counts to 100
 * cyberanger hopes he doesn't mix them up
User3: we've got 3 nonabstaining votes here
User3: that will pass it
User3: User8 has gone afk ... no telling when he'll be back
User3: [vote]  pace_t_zulu & wrst splitting middle tn poc
User7: Please vote on:   pace_t_zulu & wrst splitting middle tn poc.
User7: Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
User7: E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
User3: +0
User7: Abstention received from pace_t_zulu. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
User4: +1
User7: +1 received from orangeninja. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
User2: nuclear launch
User3: User8 ping
User6: +0
User7: Abstention received from wrst. 1 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1
User2: +1
User7: +1 received from cyberanger. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2
User3: User5 ping
User3: sweet ...
User3: this reinforces why we are trying to move this along
User2: ideally we get at least three, but we have four votes
User2: just two are abstaining
User3: the problem is technical
User3: but mathematically .... it is sort of an issue ....
User2: User3 yeah, wish some of this was dealt with last month, short meeting & less members at it
User3: though it should be pointed out that the only non abstaing member from the region is a +1
User8: SOrry, in and out
User8: +1
User7: +1 received from Svpernova09. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
User2: yeah, one regional, better than east tn
User3: User8 \o/
User6: i hear they have good burgers Svpernova09, never had them
User3: [endvote]
User7: Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 3
User3: [agreed] pace_t_zulu & wrst splitting middle tn poc
 * wrst hopes Svpernova09 gets the in and out burger lameness of a joke
User7: AGREED received:  pace_t_zulu & wrst splitting middle tn poc
User6: thanks for the confidence guys
User3: thanks guys
 * wrst will try not to disappoint
User3: congrats wrst
User4: congrats!
User6: you too pace_t_zulu
User2: User6 you've earned it, over the years
User2: same for you pace_t_zulu
User4: I'll help yall anyway I can guys
User3: moving along ... we need to get this done
User3: thanks guys
User6: agreed pace_t_zulu :)
User3: [topic] east tn point of contact
User7: New Topic:  east tn point of contact
User3: so i nominate cyberanger
User6: agreed again pace_t_zulu
User2: User3 I'd like somebody from knoxville or further north to split it with, it worked better that way in the past
User3: cyberanger, aforementioned concerns considered ... do you accept?
User5: sorry
User3: User2 for now you are the best point of contact we have for east tn
User2: and yeah, until I'm compelled to resign due to a move, I do
User2: and yeah, until I'm compelled to resign due to a move, I do accept*
User3: User2 6 month term
User3: bueno
User5: is it too late for my +1? >_<
User2: forwarning, I'll be luckly to get half that term
User3: sorry orias ... you can do 2 +1's this time
User5: lol
User3: but only one will count
 * wrst thinks pace_t_zulu is flaunting some bilingual goodness tonight
User3: motion to vote on east tn point of contact
User6: second
User2: User3 I'm abstaining from that motion
User3: [vote]cyberanger for east tn point of contact
User7: Please vote on: cyberanger for east tn point of contact.
User7: Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
User7: E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
User3: +1
User7: +1 received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
User4: +1
User7: +1 received from orangeninja. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
User2: +0
User7: Abstention received from cyberanger. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
User6: +1
User7: +1 received from wrst. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
User5: +1
User7: +1 received from orias. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
User3: User8 ping
User3: well ... it carries anyway
User3: [endvote]
User7: Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 4
User3: [agreed] cyberanger for east tn point of contact
User7: AGREED received:  cyberanger for east tn point of contact
User2: User3 all the other members in my region are 50 miles north in knoxville, or further, so if we can look for somebody willing to split it
User3: congrats cyberanger ... you're the right man for the job
User6: yes you are
User3: User2 no problem
User6: cyberanger
User4: congrats!
User3: ok one last topic
User2: User3 I figure October is the last month at this current rate, however it's likely it'll be shorter
User3: [topic] agenda items for next meeting
User7: New Topic:  agenda items for next meeting
User3: User2 we'll just play it by ear
User2: User3 will do, just best to notify
User3: [link]http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/156/detail/
User7: LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/156/detail/
User2: new item, release party planning
User3: User2 +1
User2: that'll give us two meetings
User2: Sept. & Oct, the release is last week of Oct. however our release party can be earlier or later
User3: it's been added
User3: User8 orias orangeninja ... anything y'all would like to pencil into the agenda for next month?
User2: right now I have an unoffical pool of ubuntu cd's, I'll see about building a more offical one for the next release party
User2: and get some of these current ones to nlug per their request
User5: we have a mialing list correct?
User4: User3 no, Nothing I can think of right now.
User5: *mailing
User3: User5 yes we do
User2: User5 correct
User3: User2 please share info on the mailing list with the group
User5: lets send something out a week, a day before to possibly get more people in irc for the meetings
User5: or even in general
User3: [topic]mailing list information
User7: New Topic: mailing list information
User3: User5 +1
User2: User3 can we add that idea, building an offical cd pool (since I probally won't maintain past 11.10 this unoffical one)
User3: User5 you should always feel welcome to post stuff like that
User5: it'd be nice to have more activity in irc
User2: currently I'm maintaining our list, working on a bug that has made the daily digest feature act like a monthly one
User2: once this bug is fixed I'll be handing over control to pace_t_zulu (unless re requests it sooner)
User2: fetching link
User3: User5 and Svpernova09 if you are interested in becoming admins in the group's various online presences ... let me know
User2: User3 I never had access to the forums, all other functions have been changed over
User2: mailing list link https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-US-TN
User2: [link]https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-US-TN
User7: LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-US-TN
User3: User2 i'll look into taking responsiblity for our various online presences
User2: User3 only one your not already in charge of is the forums & mailing list
User3: orias and Svpernova09 if y'all are part of our facebook and/or linkedin groups - you can have elevated privileges in those as well
User2: I've got control of the list, fixing it for you before I hand it over (unless you want it sooner)
User2: the forums you'll have to ask an admin I suppose
User3: hmmm
User3: welcome linuxman410
User5: kk
User2: User3 I didn't know about facebook having more than one admin as a group feature
User9: pace_t_zulu  how are ya
User6: User2 yeah you can have several admins on a facebook page
User2: I'm requesting that then (I have all the others covered, forum mod aside)
User6: *fan page
User3: orias and Svpernova09 we can exchange info via pm
User2: User6 fan page, that's a little worse in my mind, fan of what, we're a group
User6: User2 good point ;)
 * wrst is no facebook expert
User3: User2 we can create a group as well
User3: User2 but i'm a fan of our group ;)
User3: it's been a way to broadcast things on facebook
User3: it's served that purpose well
User3: anyway
User3: does anyone else have any other agenda items?
User2: User3 did you add the cd pool bit?
User3: User2 cd pool bit?
User2: create an offical cd pool for the loco
User3: User2 i'll make that an agenda item
User3: User2 you should fill out the description though ...
User2: obtain (my case for the unoffical pool was buying them) 11.10 cd's for a loco distrubition pool
User2: User3 sure, I'll do that
User3: User2 i'm making you the "owner" of the agenda item ;)
User2: I have a decent sized pool of natty discs, most are allocated to nlug per a request, the remaining to OLF in ohio, as a TN-LoCo event
User3: User2 i've never had my hands on any pool of release discs
User2: this was an unoffical thing I did as a trustee, out of my pocket
User2: I metioned it once, you missed that meeting, as did jfenn2199 & netritious
User3: ok ... we'll discuss that next month ... it's on the agenda
User2: linuxman410 may have shown up late
User3: User2 apologies for missing that meeting
User3: january perhaps? i know i miss that one as it was my birthday
User2: I did it cause shipit was just shut down & it was a service that helped me spread ubuntu in the areas around here
User9: cyberanger i did show up late
User2: was thinking november actually
User3: alright... so that's on the agenda for next month
User2: it was closer to natty's release, but at least a month after (disc shortage)
User3: oh
User3: anyway
User2: if we were an offical team, I wouldn't have done that
User3: anyone else have something they want to throw on the agenda for next month's (hopefully shorter meeting)
User2: and yeah, since I bought nearly all the discs, kinda kept that restricted to releasing to each request, and not just giving them out
User2: so I could gauge sucess
User2: seems issue #1 was not announcing it
User2: nothing else from me, atm
User3: User2 i was unaware until now
User3: sorry
User3: so yea, i suppose it didn't receive much attention
User3: so....
User2: User3 I thought I metioned it in that email I forwarded you (I know I didn't metion it more than that, three times at much)
User3: i'll check it out
User2: um, motion to adjourn?
User4: second
User4: lol
User2: #endmeeting
User2: darn, that's become a habit now
User2: User3 #endmeeting ?
User4: I'll be back in about 30 minutes to an hour. If we have any other zombie patrolers out there.
User3: #endmeeting
User7: Meeting finished at 21:30.
User3: sorry
User3: i was adding admins online
User1: He wanted to get it right on the half hour
User2: that's alright, we needed that too
User2: User3 btw, http://tr.im/nogt is a dead link now
User2: all of tr.im is
User2: do you know where that pointed?
User2: Members add your info http://tr.im/nogt
User1: Anyway, to make a note on not used items, it's almost as if we have 2 or even 3 LoCos because people on IRC don't watch the forums much, people on the forums don't watch the ML or IRC and people on the ML don't watch IRC or forums :/
User3: it worked out nice
 * cyberanger has considered making his own url shortening service, wonders if it'll work
User3: we have forums?
User3: :D
User3: User8 ping
User2: User3 yeah, I'd check them if I could do something with them
User2: it's not been loco stuff since racerraul died
User2: he was big on the forums & I wanted to have a meetup here in cleveland, at that time, about two years ago if I recall the forums were utilized more, becuase of him
User2: he'd chat on IRC, but he & binarymutatn kept our forums alive
User2: binarymutant had mod rights, perhaps he could create more mods for us
User2: if he's still got that privalige
User1: User3 *My state is working on fixing it
 * cyberanger facepalms
User3: User1 what state is that?
User2: User3 I did have another item, shortly before our last meeting (or somewhere around then, at least) some of us had considered having a wiki jam, of a different sort, helping the wiki team update documentation
User1: User3 Ohio, sadly, I only watch IRC and ML but my bot keeps my up with ML and Forums
User3: User2 feel free to add it
User3: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/156/detail/
User2: I'll do that (just couldn't help but feel irritated with myself, forgot that twice already I think)
User6: User2 documentation is something that ubuntu desperately needs
User9: cyberanger klug has not been updated since 2009
User2: User6 you Unit193 pace_t_zulu & myself were the main four in that conversation
User6: yes, after using arch you see just how bad it is with ubuntu and it shouldn't be that way
User1: pleia was also (I ducked out
User2: and pretty much agreed (with at least you & me pointing out arch's wiki, google & blogs as being more effective, I even metioned using arch's wiki to fix ubuntu :-|)
User2: right, bad nick tab, meant pleia2
User6: yeah I used arch's wiki to fix ubuntu before i used arch
User1: Forums are great
User2: User1 I thought you metioned a bit too, but yeah, I do recall pleia2 arriving & you had to step out for well, life outside the optic fibre
User6: User1 yes they are, but if i need to set up my broadcom wireless i shouldn't have to sift through a million forum threads
User1: User6 I very much so agree, just saying that they can be great
User6: yes they can be but to me the forums should be more for the oddities not the norm
User9: wrst have you ever tried ultimate edition
User6: User9 no i've seen it but never tried it
User6: isn't that ubuntu with a billion things added to it?
User9: wrst yes but they have a light version now
User6: what desktop does it use linuxman410?
User9: wrst lxde the light version
User6: nice
User6: good night all
User2: night wrst
User9: cyberanger did ubuntu do a 10.04 lts 3
User2: User9 believe so
User2: yep, they did
User3: team iCal calendar .... http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team/ical
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* pace_t_zulu changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-tn to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee Team IRC Channel | Next Meeting: Sept. 1st at 7:30 PM CDT/8:30 PM EDT
User3: should we be tweeting?
User1: Or G+ing? :P
 * cyberanger is enough of a twit as is
User5: lol
User4: o/
User5: %/
User1: \@
User4: hey guys
User4: what yall up to?
User5: getting ready to crash. you?
User1: That's not good if you're in a car...
User4: heh, I'll be up for a few.
User4: Im switching between EVE Online and web surfing.
User1: I won't be up for as long as long as normal though
User4: My Saturday night really. I am working Sat and Sun this week.
User10: Anybody up this mornng?
User11: morning
User10: o/
User12: hey wrst
User6: hey twayneprice how are you doing?
User6: was going to ask you about the dyson vacuum on woot yesterday :)
User12: Did you get one?
User6: no i didn't kinda lost track of things, do you have an opinion on them?
User6: may get one next time they come around... they always come back around :)
User12: We have one and it has been great.
User6: ok that's what i needed to hear
User6: we are needing something new and they look cool
User12: We've had other bagless before and they usually stop working aft a year or so.  We've probably had this one 4 years and it is as good as new.
User6: that's good to know we will probably give one a spin
User12: We got ours from woot.  :)
User6: cool
User6: i guess we will too
User13: hey guys
User2: hey Xpistos
User2: missed a great
User14: What up
User2: great meeting*
User14: great what?
User14: last night?
User2: yeah
User14: Dude, I was stressing over the Cowboys&Aliens Review last night
User10: damn i forgot
User14: what is the url for the minutes
User2: pace_t_zulu is trustee & sharing middle poc with wrst
 * Xpistos forgot
User14: what?
User14: wrst is poc for middle?
User2: with pace_t_zulu
User2: like jfenn2199 & netritious did in middle tn
User2: and pace_t_zulu is also the trustee
User2: we shortened term lengths as well, they're now 6 months
User2: lemme see if the logs are up (if not, I've got my own)
User2: User14 http://sprunge.us/DRhA
User2: User10 ^
User2: that's my logs, cropped to the meeting only
User2: User14 orias and Svpernova09 are west tn poc, and I'm east tn
User2: that pretty well sums up the meeting
User2: User14 Cowboys & Aliens, hrm, worth watching?
User14: I gave it a 3.5
User10: dang
User2: for comparison, Jonah hex?
User14: better
User14: I gave jonah hex a 2
User2: well, then this is a movie to catch
User2: you make them work for a 5 don't you?
User3: User14 http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team
User3: User14 iCal Feed - http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team/ical
 * wrst peeks in
 * vychune sees him
User14: User2 Now i have some time to focus. pace_t_zulu is the head of the LOCO not basically? Is that right? and he and wrst are my capos?
 * wrst waves to vychune
User10: o/
User14: User2 I do make the movies work for it now. I was too free with the 5's before this one
User14: User2 we have reviewed 7 movies totall this summer
User14: Thor, Priest, X-Men: First Class, Green Lantern, Transformers: Dark of the Moon,  Captain America and now Cowboys & Aliens
User14: That is all we are planning to do, but if someone wants to do a review, then the can let us know
User3: User14 ^ what you were asking cyberanger ... yes
User3: User14 you want to update www.ubuntu-tennessee.org ?
User3: updated the leadership page on ubuntu-tennessee.org ... http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/leadership/
User6: User3 just added a blog leah91@example.net that had been building up for a week or so :)
User14: User3 thanks
User6: howdy Xpistos
User14: congrats my Capo
User14: anybody I need to Whack?
User6: User14 capo?
User6: I use that on a guitar :)
User14: Capo is short for Captain. Like a mob boss
User6: or even... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caporegime
 * wrst = lunch
User3: User6 nice ...
User3: User6 blog posts are great for our group
User6: have a couple more in the ol' brain I will try to put out there
User3: User6 let's see if we can draw more attention to it
User2: User14 I'll keep that in mind
User14: cool
User3: User6 Xpistos cyberanger 'like' the top post (a link to wrst's blog post) ... https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-Tennessee/134857110680
User14: If you are interested I will give you the script (just a frame work of what we want in the show  and how to begin and end then it is all you.
User3: have we lost mhall119? :(
User2: User3 yeah, for the moment at least
User3: he's logged in ... he isn't hanging out at here atm
User3: User2 i need to get info regarding ownership of ubuntu-tennesee.org, it's dns hosting and its www hosting
User2: User3 ok, lemme see here
User10: o/
User2: User3 see pm
User15: howdy folks
User15: How much would one expect to pay for a reliable hosting package for a resource-heavy, high traffic site?
User10: 15 a month?
User2: resource heavy, high traffic, more than that, however could you define it a little better
User2: that's vauge, open to interput
User15: one of my customers on my VPS has a database heavy (he's a cartoonist) site
User15: and his traffic just jumped to over 2,000 visitors/month. this morning he had a comic published on another site and it caused overload
User10: damn
User15: my hosting company keeps trying to sell me a dedicated server but it's 3x the cost of my VPS
User15: OR- does anyone know a good Dedicated Server provider with cPanel/WHM?
User15: :-)
User2: User15 came from another site, somebody big like reddit or dig?
User2: reason I ask is maybe what he really needs is a CDN, http://codeen.cs.princeton.edu/
User6: User15 i've used hostgator they have some interesting options pretty cheap but never had a high traffic situation wtih them
User15: yeah, I may as well just get another hostnine account and separate my sites more wisely :-)
User6: hostgator is a very linux friendly place also
User15: regarding a CDN, do I understand I could use that to take the load off my server?
User2: User15 yes, same concept in a way to a proxy
User2: not necessarlly simple, but I've done it & it does work, it can be cheaper
User2: (in the case of codeen, free)
User5: why not use a vps? How much monthly traffic?
User10: User5 i think he said he has one
User5: ahh
 * orias likes ovh
User10: ovh?
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User6: cyberanger, pace_t_zulu thought this was interesting: http://airurando.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/my-first-experience-of-the-ubuntu-loco-team-re-approval-process-first-of-many-i-hope/
User3: User6 excellent link
User3: thanks
User6: thought that was pretty good, pace_t_zulu just looking at stuff we are called Tennessee Team and everyone else seems to be called Ubuntu- insert location here, is that normal?
User3: cyberanger wrst it would help if you guys "like" the "Ubuntu is Still a Good Distro | Ubuntu Tennessee" link i posted to Ubuntu Tennessee on Facebook .... Ubuntu is Still a Good Distro | Ubuntu Tennessee
User6: ahh ok i hated to like my own work pace_t_zulu but will do :)
User3: User5 vychune starsprout ^ y'all too if it isn't an inconvenience
User6: User3 looks like i have or atleast an admin has
User5: I have
User15: pace_t_zulu, I don't do facebook :-( but I do like Ubuntu :-)
User15: thx cyberanger for the CDN tip, btw. we are moving the customer off my VPS to another cheap host, but will implement a CDN system for his domain only
User15: :D
User15: then I'm shopping for a new VPS because the one I have is a 2-year-old package and equates to a ripoff at this point
User11: hi there
User11: someone can test my ftp ?
User11: ftp server
User2: User15 cool
User2: User11 sure, however you might want to wait 8-10 hours, get some sleep
User2: 0034 there isn't it
User2: (might actually be more like 12-14 for me to be awake too)
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