User1: wow beagle actually works 100% out of the box
User2: is user_xattr set, or does it not need to be now?
User1: its not a hard requirement now
User2: great
User1: its more like "you really want this"
User1: it falls back on sqlite and is slow
User2: might be good to put something in README.Debian or even NEWS.Debian about that
User1: well it soon wont be my package anymore
User1: we get to complain to someone else
User2: you'rr going to use the debian package?
User1: sure, after a few swings of the cluebat
User1: oh how about that, he just responded
User2: hopefully he can put it under group maintenance
User2: or at least in svn
User1: yeah he mentioned putting it in arch for him and me
User1: i will propose pkg-mono
User1: oh you did mail him the gaim fix right?
User2: no I haven't sorry
User1: ok
User2: will file that as a bug
User1: hm right
User1: debugs baffles me
User2: I've had a few years to get used to it
User1: when is a web interface not a web interface?
User2: when it doesn't let you interface with it
User1: a: dbs
User1: hm i thought id fixed f-spot in ubuntu
User1: i guess not
User1: i should just sync yours
User1: that is uploaded, right?
User1: mailed
User2: yes, thanks
User2: was going to ask elmo for sync
User2: got distracted (again)
User1: is it wrong that i want a *second* $800 lcd?
User2: no, it's wrong that you have *one* & I don't
User3: tseng, where did you get those beauties?
User2: although I do have a 21" & a 17" crt on my desk at home
User1: User3 apple.com
User2: dual-head goodness
User3: tseng, lucky bastard
User1: i dont know about that
User1: i do have to work for it :)
User3: right
User2: only new hardware I've bought recently is a phone
User1: im feeling pretty good about breezy now that ive just done a clean install
User1: pretty much everything is working
User1: even my stuff
User1: :P
User2: that's a good sign
User2: even universe is in a fairly good shape, which is a surprise :)
User1: i wish i knew what to do with mythtv
User1: i miss it
User3: geez, the buildlogs are all green
User3: you think we actually produce working code around here or something
User4: " -automated control managment... remove this please ;)"
User4: what does that mean ?
User4: I'm not allowed to regenarte control from control.in ?
User2: User4 yes, that's what it says, a number of people don't like control.in, and others, like debian gnome team, use it a lot
User5: is there other things besides the cdbs build-depends that the control.in buys you?
User4: well, that's what the cdbs tells to use
User4: btw, I was just asking
User2: User5 for debian, the Uploaders field
User5: User4 I'm curious myself :)  but it doesn't sound like control.in really gets you much, is that why people don't like it?
User5: seems like it would make the build process a little more complicated without much gain
User4: well, no really
User2: it's not nearly as evil as modifying debian/rules at build time ;)
User5: who modifies the rules at build time?
User2: noone sane
User2: and I doubt it would work
User5: BTW, for breezy packages is cdbs or debhelper prefered?
User2: User5 what do you mean, 'or'?
User2: cdbs uses debhelper for a lot of tasks
User5: ok....to use or not to use cdbs :)
User2: depends on the package, but we recommend using cdbs once you understand what is going on :)
User5: I like the fact that I don't have to create long lists of debhelper scripts in the rules file
User2: yes, btu it does mean that you can package stuff without knowing what is going on underneath
User2: which can be dangerous
User5: you could say the same thing of debhelper....I felt that way the first time I messed with it
User2: that's why some AMs in debian require their NM candidates to package shomething without debhelper
User2: my typing has really gone downhill lately :)
User2: nasty, someone still having issues with bugzilla #6805 (muine/ppc)
User2: User1 I'll test it out on the ppc box at home & see if it's still valid
User6: hello
User6: running hoary amd64, installed seagate sata, fdisk freezes
User6: something about...  deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO
User6: is there an existing kernel that will allow me to use the sata with hoary?
User6: kernel pkg that is
User7: User6 default Hoary kernel should, unless your SATA chipset is too new. In that case you can try recompiling Breezy's kernel. (Btw, this is better asked in #ubuntu.)
User6: i did ask in ubuntu, sorry
User6: thanx
User7: np, I've only now reattached.
User6: User7 is breezy's kernel a deb package?
User6: oh
User6: breezy the ubuntu release?
User8: indeed
User6: should i only grab the kernel? or go forward with distro upgrade?
User8: well
User8: ... an upgrade might work ;p
User6: lol
User6: right
User8: fdisk shoudlnt break with that error tho
User8: thats just a warning
User8: not an error
User8: tried cfdisk?
User6: it never breaks
User6: that is dmesg
User8: you said it freezes
User6: cfdisk and parted same thing
User6: freezes yes
User8: its not from that
User6: may i paste two lines here?
User8: sure
User6: sorry
User6: here is the dmesg line upon parted attempt
User6: Aug 14 17:03:58 localhost kernel: program gparted is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it
User6: to SG_IO
User6: er, messages
User8: like i siad, its just a deprecation warning
User6: there are no other meaningful messages i can find other than ata1 being busy at shutdown
User6: etc...
User8: well that sucks :)
User6: lol
User8: sure the disk isnt bad or something?
User6: i have no way of checking really
User6: brand new
User9: bah, old openvpn package in hoary
User7: hoary-backports should have 2.0-3 built from breezy
User7: (yes, I know 2.0-4 is in sid)
User9: hmmm, I have backports added thoguh
User9: oh, backports does not cover my architecture
User9: will have to rebuild the package anyway
User9: this is a dual amd64 box :)
* chillywilly doubts there's much difference between 2.0-3 and 2.0-4
User9: 2.0-3 should be good enough ;)
User9: hey, what version can I give a package that I built from sid sources for my own personal use so that if breezy gets the newer version it will then be upgraded?
User7: 2.0-4 from sid?
User9: yea :)
User7: try 2.0-4~3ubuntu1
User9: why 4~3...?
User7: so -4 is higher than what's currently in breezy (-3) [presuming 2.0-4 goes in OR 2.0-4ubuntuX goes in] , but your local (-3ubuntu1) is higher than what's in hoary
User7: at the same time it attempts to retain the original sid versioning
User7: you don't have to mark it ubuntu1; you can use chillywilly1 or whatever
User9: ok
User10: hello everyone
User11: hello sivang
User10: hey cat , how is it going?
User11: here fixing my bugs on bx
User11: and you'r self
User12: hmmm
User12: who said they will fix x-g
User12: oh yea
User12: me
User12: /slap HostingGeek
User2: User1 malone #1770 looks odd, as muine has deps on mono-classlib-1.0, perhaps not tight enough?
User13: pongelung
User11: darn it,
User13: \sh, please contact the kernel team about that... i.e. fabbione :)
User13: i fthey have no objections its fine with me... but remember the many people that installd the totally broken bitkeeper snapshot fromuniverse in hoary
User13: just because it was 2.11
User11: hey ogra listen i'm a bitchx developer is there any way i can take the bx packaged on ubuntu?
User13: cat, you are upstream maintainer or debian maintainer for it ?
User11: i'm just a bitchx developer ogra
User13: so upstream ...
User11: yeah
User13: and the 1.0 version we ship is to old ?
User11: naw
User13: hmm, then i dont understand the question i fear
User11: well i wanted it to take over the bitchx packaged for ubuntu but i fear someone has it (:
User13: cat, we dont have personalized packages
User11: aj
User11: *oh
User13: cat, we do everything as a team... even if some have their favorite packages ....
User11: oh ic
User11: damn there's nothing i can do on ubuntu =)
User11: hehe
User11: such as \sh ?
User13: and indeed you could maintain the bitchX package.... (if ubuntu specific changes are required)
User13: we all have ur favorite packages nobody else would touch without asking... but unlike debian you dont get a flamewar if you really touch someone elses stuff :)
User11: true,
User11: well my main goal is to worked, on ubuntu doing something
User11: but i still haven't find anything
User14: User11 if you think, something needs to be done on the ubuntu bitchx package, just go on and improve it. we appreciate every contribution :)
User14: hi folks
User13: User11 wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo
User13: (assuming thats up to date)
User11: User14 well there's nothing to be changed (:
User13: morning siretart
User14: hi ogra
User13: cat, look at "How to help / Ongoing tasks"
User15: hello
User15: yeah, sometimes my life gets back to normal :-)
User15: though it's hard to type with a cat in your arms
User15: ho, there will be a xorg 6.9
User15: I though 7.0 was the next one
User16: 6.9 and 7.0 are equivalent, except for the build system
User16: 6.9 is the last monolithic
User15: ho, we really are heading the 7.0
User17: ooohh portege toy...
User2: User17 you got your laptop now?
User2: or is it still held up in customs? :)
User17: oh i love those customs people
User2: heh
User17: im getting the Tecra M2 tommorow
User2: nice
User17: ajmitch_, are you getting one as well?
User18: I'm getting "a HP", but I don't know which one yet
User2: User17 dell inspiron 710m
User2: that's what I heard, anyway
* jsgotangco checks that
User17: i think the dells are a bit delayed
User2: 510m, sorry
User2: wouldn't surprise me if they were
User17: nice review on the 510m though
User2: yep
User18: I have no idea what to expect yet :)
User18: so I've started filling the template for my old 600MHz craptop :)
User2: heh
* ajmitch_ could do the same for his 400MHz beast
User18: \o/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AsusL7300G
User15: I have a 386SX 16 MHz, now beat this :-)
User18: User15 that won't run ubuntu afaik
User2: User15 laptop? :)
* ajmitch_ would have to reinstall hoary on his laptop to check things out there
User15: portable at least :-)
User17: CGA graphics? :)
User15: no vga, but gray
User18: MCGA 8)
User17: talk about vintage on the wiki :)
User15: I see this: "the laptop when I didn't even know how to walk"
User18: User15 my parents have one of these: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/5705/p70.html
User18: User15 and one of these: http://www.computercloset.org/IBMPortablePC.htm
User15: ho no, it's not that old
User18: User15 then you're too young ;)
User17: we used to have a portable trs 80 then
User15: no I exagerated, I don't even know its year
* jsgotangco lol on the links
User2: User18 I want one!
User2: ooh, nice usplash
User2: \sh: it's a start ;)
User2: hmm
User2: laptop not booting, I wonder what's wrong now...
User2: ah, 180 days without fsck
User2: \sh: and we're limited to vga16fb, of course :)
User18: User2 what? an IBM Portable?
User2: User18 sure
User2: \sh: change what part?
User2: yay, xkb complaints on login
* ajmitch_ upgrades to x -49
User1: User2 luis did the same thing
User1: User2 there was some kind of upgrade issue
User2: User1 right, that's a worry
User2: since the Depends look fine
User1: i just did a clean install yesterday and its fine
User17: brb
User1: is there a known issue with no sound in clean breezy installs, btw?
User1: User2 sounds like beagle et al will be in baz to start
User1: User2 he is really excited about giving us power to branch and merge
User2: yeah, baz is pretty nice for that
User1: buh at ppc mono bug
User2: madduck just held a baz & debian packaging session the other day on irc
User1: right
User2: User1 yeah I'll try & get the downstairs imac booted up & test it
User1: i think i had this bug filed a year ago
User2: installed hoary on it a few weeks back
User1: and invalidated it after a few ppc tests
User1: and upstream says fixed
User2: yes, and it only seems to show up on a few boxes - now after a few months someone has it again
User1: $ mcs --version
User1: &#65279;Mono C# compiler version 91.69.162.6
User1: i mean
User2: ancient..
User1: thats ancient history
User1: the bug is from 05/2004
User2: then why does someone see it on a current hoary box?
User2: it just doesn't make sense
User1: yheah
User1: not that we can do much about hoary anyway
User1: oh this is the same bug
User1: that i closed
User2: yep
User2: ok, on the mac now
User2: looks like it'll take a few minuts
User2: User1 wonderful, I get the SIGILL on hoary
User2: brb
User16: that's probably a mirror of the planner CVS.
User19: Question: I've upgraded to Breezy (and hence firefox 1.0.6) and the fonts in firefox are QUITE a bit larger than before.... Can anyone tell me why?
User19: Ok, let me rephrase: Does anyone else have larger fonts in firefox after upgrading to Breezy?
User13: shawarma, this is not a support channel and i'm sure there are some bugreports open about it
User19: The topic of #ubuntu says not to use Breezy and I figured there would be more people actually running Breezy in here. I'm asking because I'm willing to work on fixing it, and it helps a lot to know if it's a common wellknown problem or something specific to my system..
User13: this is the channel for universe package development... we dont even touch firefox if you want to help fixing, go to #ubuntu-devel ...
User20: ah, faster DSL finally :)
User13: shawarma, it helps a lot if you look in bugzilla first, thats an ancient cairo/ff bug.... ;)
User13: there must be several reports
User19: User13 Cairo?
User19: User13 Oh, and I can't seem to find any bug report about it in bugzilla? Do you have a link available?
User21: ajmitch, whats DSL like over in NZ ?
User21: Odd. Is there anyway I can force my package to uninstall the previous version BEFORE installing my new one ?
User21: it is causing some issues with leaving files behind. I could rm them, but that seems like a hack
User20: User21 DSL in NZ is bad
User20: nearly as bad as .au :)
User20: I'd say worse, but we *just* got 2Mbps available
User20: User21 w.r.t your packages, use Conflicts/Replaces fields in debian/control
User20: if files are moved between packages.. otherwise I'm not sure what you mean?
User21: Sorry ajmitch - had to feed bub.
User21: WRT my packages, a dpkg-divert moved packages, and became policy compliant at the same time
User21: DSL does look better in NZ :(
User20: User21 that's funny, I was on 256/128 until yesterday
User20: I wouldn't call that better :)
User21: I had dialup until I went to UDU
User21: I pay for 1500/256 but I wouldn't say its reliable
User21: and I know the copper cables could do better
User21: WRT my packages - go with a rm hack ?
User21: I have replaces, but no conflicts in my control. I'll rebuild a see if I still need a rm hack
User20: rm hacks are not good to do
User20: ah, you were at UDU as well?
User21: I know - I'll find out in 10mins if I still need to do it
User21: yeah, I met you andrew
User20: yeah sorry, I don't recognise irc nicks I don't see often :)
User21: I signed your key and 6days later had my machine die taking my old key down with it :(
User20: ouch :)
User21: lesson to self, never store backups on cheap cds - when you need them they don't restore
User16: or verify your backups.
User21: verified yes, but that was 4 weeks prior
User21: moved to a RAID5 for hdd, and DVD+RW for backups now
User21: anyone ppc here ?
User20: yes, I've got ppc running at the moment
User21: after I've finished with my package, could you see if it builds in ppc for me
User20: ok, it's only got hoary at the moment
User20: but I can test
User21: that's fine - it's targeted at hoary while I develop it.
User20: ok
User21: hooray - succesfull migration
User22: Howdy
User21: G'day
User20: hi bddebian
User22: Heya ajmitch
User22: Heya \sh
User20: bzr is certainly interesting, just playing with it for packaging some of my stuff
User23: hi
User22: Heya mbreit
User22: Heya ogra
User24: yay microsoft centered supports!
User22: ?
User24: I just talked to my laptops supportcentre after my optical unit acting up
User24: they can't ensure things will work on linux
User24: so I told them I can, I got a log of the errors the kernel tell me when I insert a CD, I'm in the developteam for the operative system I'm using and their hardware just turned crappy.
User24: they'll send me a new burner this week :-).
User22: Ahh :-)
User24: I knew something was up when I couldn't use one of those hoary livecds I got with the mail ;-)
User24: seems to work with one of my burned CDs though
User24: but not with a blank one
User24: anyway, odd, and I'll get a new drive ;-)
User25: Nafallo, lol :)
User23: can someone upload my passepartout-fix for me?
User1: User20 "wonderful" indeed
User1: User20 tried breezy?
User26: Anyone here with experience in putting a shell script "doghouse" around a badly designed program ?
User1: like a chroot?
User26: more like a diversion
User26: the app in question, craps in the CWD
User26: I set up a doghouse to contain it to $HOME/.deng
User26: but I seem to have made a mistake in setting up dpkg-divert
User26: in my preinst
User26: I set up two diverts, one to move the app to .real, and one to move my .sh to the original command location
User26: but it errors on install, so this is a bad thing
User26: OK. I'll go with one divert, and symlink. See if it works better like that.
User24: what's wrong with kazehakase?
User27: is there something wrong ?
User27: except the strange name
User24: Build-Dep: mozilla-dev (<= 2:1.7.8)
User24: Build-Conflict: mozilla-dev (<= 2:1.7.9)
User24: the binary deps mozilla-browser and conflicts with the same versions
User27: ouch
User24: User27 I take care of it though. I'll ask the user to file a bug on malone :-).
User24: karma, here we come! :-)
User27: :)
User28: User27 you're on ltsp?
User27: zup
User27: with breoken kezmap as zou can see :)
User27: tried the edubuntu daily..... but its still to broken ... you cnt easily work wround the breakage yet
User24: User27 what steps shall I take when I want to book #ubuntu-meeting? ;-)
User27: just look at the Calendar... if nothing is scheduled, grab it
User24: oki :-)
User14: re
User14: Does anyone know if Andrew McMillan does irc?
User14: and more importantly, do DD cound as reviewer fuer REVU purposes?
User14: I'd say yes, but wanted to hear a second opinion
User29: anyone: ndiswrapper will not modprobe insert. Modprobe reports a fatal error. Does anyone know how to fix this?
User30: what is the error?
User29: the error is not specific
User29: it simply states fatal error can not insert
User29: or something real close to that
User13: can you carry that to a support channel like #ubuntu please ?
User13: this is one for universe development...
User29: User13 sorry, I tried there, I'm desperate.
User29: several people have reported this error on a thread on the ubuntuforums.org
User29: thanks anyway
User13: someone should tell the people that forums are not the place to report bugs if they want them solved *sigh*
User31: yeah especially when the kernel-team doesnt really read the forums :)
User24: does any team? ;-)
User18: maybe the docteam?
User18: speaking of the kernel team, *points at bugzilla#2129*
* ogra guesses the Burgundavia team reads forums...
User22: heh
User14: ok, bye folks. cu tomorrow
User22: Later siretart
User18: User13 there is a "Burgundavia team"?
User22: Hehe
User18: I mean.. fanboys OK, but a whole team?
User13: Nafallo, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1775 ;)
User24: User13 thanx :-). I assigned it to me and marked it accepted. dep-wait on eveything else I have to do (meeting in 2h and aspell transition) :-)
User13: dylis in #ubuntu-bugs is very helpful ;)
User13: err dilys
User31: what is the url for the package search?
User22: packages.ubuntu.com
User31: thanks bddebian
User18: "Configuring bicyclerepair" ??! WTF?
User13: whats wron with that Treenaks ?
User1: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/bicyclerepair
User18: User13 It's a laptop, not a bicycle :)
User18: User1 oh cool
User18: \sh: why not?
User18: \sh: most laptops have builtin mics
User13: hey, dont complain, at least it can fix your bike :)
User32: hi everyone
User32: I have a little problem complying with md5sum with a package
User32: can someone give me just 2 minutes ?
User22: Heya Mez
User33: er, no
User33: sup?
User33: what the fuck?
User22: Such language.. :-)
User33: sorry..
User22: I'm kidding :
User22: )
User33: \sh: unofficial?
User33: \sh: the kernel shouldnt have been backported
User33: Looking at this, it's only been backported for warty
User33: and thats only 2.6.10
User33: \sh - It's not backports..
User18: \o/ -> foodfight.org/log (now all I need is syndication on planet)
User20: morning all
User22: Morning ajmitch
User34: hey, why's breezy's clamav not in sync with debian?
User20: User34 because it's after upstream version freeze & noone has requested an exception?
User13: ajmitch, after feature freeze even .... which is more strict
User20: true
User20: User13 so do you think I can get f-spot 0.1.0 into breezy?
User13: i'd like to hear tsengs opinion, but if it works on amd64 i'll vote for it *g*
User20: heh
User20: I'll do a pkg-mono upload for debian & see how it goes
User35: that photo import from the camera for fspot
User35: need it so ... badly ...
User20: User35 don't worry, we can feed your addiction..
User35: <3
User35: then next cycle we can argue about media players all day
User36: rol
User20: ah, f-spot_0.1.0-1_i386.deb built
User20: bbiab
User1: User13 im cool with f-spot, after i look at it
User13: oki, go for it then :)
User13: to make whiprush happy ;)
User1: i have been using cvs
User1: nice
User1: crasher
User1: help - about
User20: ah this work box is unbearably slow in the morning
User23: hi all...
User23: could somebody upload my passepartout-fix?
User7: url?
User23: http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/passepartout_0.6-1ubuntu1.debdiff
User23: (and yes, i hate those config.sub/.guess things in a debdiff...)
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