User1: good morning to all
User2: morning lotuspsychje :-)
User1: hey there OerHeks & Bashing-om
User2: Yes, put some buns in the oven!
User1: lol
User1: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/kde-software-store-to-soon-offer-downloads-in-snap-flatpak-and-appimage-formats-507942.shtml
User2: snap + flatpack?
User2: i'd love to see those bite eachother
User1: lol
User3: \o
User2: hi ducasse
User3: morning OerHeks, how are you today?
User2: New week, new chances, so pretty good. how about you?
User3: i'm ok, thanks. got my teacup, trying to pry my eyes open :)
User2: sometimes water helps .. not hot tea!
User2: heya EriC^^
User3: EriC^^, wb
User3: EriC^^: decided which laptop you're getting?
User3: i know :) i agonized over my last machine purchase :)
User2: What machine/specs is that, ducasse ?
User3: it's an i7 4790k, 32gb ram, 2xsamsung 850 evo
User3: bought it just as skylake was coming out, but it had too many problems at the time
User2: now skylake is old ..
User3: it makes no difference to me, that desktop is plenty fast for everything i do.
User3: got an old core 2 duo, even that is usable as a desktop with an ssd.
User3: hmm, interesting.
User3: \o/
User3: dammit, why can't mikrotik fix their bloody mailing list? i've subscribed twice, and i still don't get notified of new releases.
User2: oh yeah, i forgot, mate does not have a software center???
User4: i think it does
User2: nope, just reading in #ubuntu, and i encouterd this before ?
User4: could have sworn it was on my mom's computer when i installed mate
User2: muon  perhaps?
User4: maybe
User2: software-boutique, fancy
User4: quite.
User2: boujour, pretemps toujour avec paturain
User5: o0
User3: \o daftykins
User5: good morning!
 * ducasse is playing with weston today
 * ducasse likes
User5: hmm not familiar
User5: i'm playing with these - http://imgur.com/a/PojKC
User5: :D
User3: weston is the reference wayland compositor (wm)
User3: oooh, looky nice! i've only got a peir of old kef's.
User3: *pair
User3: weston is super silky smooth, far beyond x11. if this is representative of how wayland will be, i can't wait.
User5: :>
User4: that wiring
User5: my only issue is how little i'll know how to support it
User5: User4 hah yeah, some cat6 UTP out of the box and stripped XD
User5: i bought the setup yesterday with no wires from the seller so i improvised ;D
User4: i got monoprice speakers :)
User5: i read monoprice do some nice 12 gauge speaker wire! but they're nowhere near me of course, being where i am
User4: i have yet to get something from them that hasn't been great
User4: 5.1 speakers, sound fantastic
User3: User5 is that a nad receiver/amp?
User5: yes sir
User2: awesome, pokemon-rootkit http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pokemon-themed-umbreon-linux-rootkit-hits-x86-arm-systems/
User5: the C 315 BEE
User5: both it and the wharfedale speakers got 5 stars in tonnes of reviews :O
User5: i paid Â£160 for the lot, but they would've been Â£330 new
User3: my first amp was a nad 3020, a classic today. had lots of nad gear over the years, always been extremely happy with it.
User5: oh yeah i saw pics of that one when i was hunting around about this one
User5: i got a CD unit from the seller as well but i've not even bothered plugging it in XD
User3: looking at a small digital amp now, was thinking of connecting it to my desktop and running mpd to control the music.
User5: ah i've used optical from my PC into speakers for over 15 years now
User5: switched to digital coaxial for a bit, then i couldn't get it for the skylake build so went back to optical
User3: i've got some kef bookshelf speakers, fairly good. this amp can drive regular speakers, so all i'll need is to drill a hole in the wall for the optical cable :)
User5: huzzah, the guy that delivers Dell stuff has the latest XPS13 for me \o/
User5: most recently ordered that is, i'm sure there's a Kaby Lake one getting announced soon
User3: yay! i'd love one of those :)
User5: i'm typing from mine now 8D lovely machines
User3: got a nasty old hp laptop, but all it does is run terminals with ssh/tmux sessions, plus a browser.
User3: how much are you getting the xps13 for?
User5: this one is the i5, 8GB, 256GB SSD and 1920x1080 res screen model for Â£580 delivered on dell's outlet page, where they do the refurished ones
User5: but i got another 10% off there from a voucher on the site - and we don't have VAT here so 20% off vs. England for example
User3: that's not bad, they're nice machines.
User5: yeah, same model is Â£999 on the site usually i think
User5: i always watch the outlet when someone tells me they want a machine :D i sold this client one by just showing him mine
User3: outside my budget, unfortunately :) been thinking of getting a used thinkpad or something.
User4: i found a bunch of cheap laptops on overstock
User4: $300 for i5
User5: yeah but which generation
User5: we're already on the 7th :>
User4: slightly older but still
User4: pop in an ssd and it'd be good
User5: i'm selling my sandybridge i5 asus with 8GB RAM and a 256GB SSD for Â£250 to a local mate
User4: sounded expensive at first but since thats almost $250 that sounds good
User4: i still think $*2=Â£
User5: heh, i still think of Â£1 to $1.50 which was a nice rate
User4: it was about 2 when i was there last
User4: want to go sometime next year
User4: hard to get friends to commit to a trip
User5: indeed!
User5: i'm heading over to the US on Thursday
User4: ooh what for
User4: and where
User5: visiting a few folks around that i know from IRC etc, heading into Colorado to do some hiking in Rocky Mountain National Park to start :)
User4: hp probook with phenom 2 x4 for $192
User4: great for basic stuff...
User4: User5 sounds fun
User5: i never liked AMD mobile chips
User4: their APUs are a better deal
User5: hrmm this Dell is giving me a real hard time booting in EFI mode, seems they've borked their own BIOS
User4: sandy bridge i5 notebook $290
User6: Hiyas all
User3: \o BluesKaj
User6: Hi ducasse
User3: User6 have you tested yakkety yet? thinking of upgrading my laptop.
User6: yeah, I've been testing yakkety for a while , after the beta 1 release I had a problem with network-manager not recognizing my NIC ethernet connection  no matter what I tried , so I reverted to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head and the /etc/network/interfaces file settings with static IP in my LAN
User6: ducasse, ^
User3: i use nm with wifi on this laptop, will need to see if that causes problems.
User6: I haven'r seen and other complainys about it in the dev chats so I might be fixed by now
User6: complaints
User3: ok, thanks for the heads up. i'm playing with wayland, so i need newer packages of tons of stuff.
User6: I haven't tried yakkety on my laptop , sticking with Xenial for now
User6: which desktop?
User6: ducasse, I'm on KDE/Plasma DE so your experience may be different for sure
User3: i'm using i3, installed a minimal install from the server image and just added what i need.
User6: ok
User3: i really want to get sway - http://swaywm.org - working but xenial is too old already.
User6: how's wayland working out ?
User3: i'm actually impressed, just set up weston earlier today and it's super smooth.
User3: it's NOT ready for daily use, though. lots of x11 stuff doesn't work as it should.
User6: so wayland needs a compositor like kwin on kde \
User3: a wayland compositor includes both the compositor and the wm, on x11 they can be two different programs.
User3: aiui, at least.
User6: yeah, kwin is an integrated compositor
User3: yep, some are. i use compton + i3 on x11, though.
User3: but if wayland today is representative of what it will be like in the future, then i'm very happy. there are some technical decisions i don't agree with, but overall it looks good.
User5: just tell me where wayland.conf is and i'll be set for another bunch of years support ;)
User3: User5 ~/.config/weston.ini - depends on the compositor :)
User5: and so the learning from scratch begins again!
User5: not sure i'll be able to learn that one though since i don't use a desktop Linux
User3: i decided to take a look at wayland, just can't think of any reasons to take mir seriously.
User5: nah i'd rather see standardisation, but typical FOSS - plenty of choice
User5: and in that particular case, no reason to have it
User3: i think they'll have to give up on mir at some point, nobody else is showing any meredithgonzalez@example.com.
User5: even made intel angry :D
User3: aiui, they flat-out insulted the devs and insisted they take on patches for their one-customer project...
User5: haha
User3: patches that intel would then have to maintain, so i can see why they got angry.
User5: Dear intel, Charity help please. Signed, Canonical
User3: dear canonical, sod off. signed, intel.
User5: :)
User5: that was a delightfully British reply!
User3: watched too much british tv, probably :)
User3: (anf thought the f-word was a bit harsh)
User3: *and
User3: i get that canonical want to control the stack, the problem is that nobody else wants that :)
User6: think canonical figured they would start a movement to mir and some how profit from it ...just a guess why elswe would they go against wayland and weston
User3: mir is under that horrid cla thingy, wayland is under mit.
User6: shuttleworth's ego got in the way of logic with mir IMO
User3: possibly, i don't know if he's actually making technical decisions on that level.
User6: ok , cia and mit ?
User6: ducasse, he must be , that's kind of major
User3: cla is canonical's "community licence", which basically says they own the code and can close it if they please. mit is the same licence x11 is under, the bsd licence.
 * BluesKaj nods
User3: if he _is_ making these decisions, i wonder if he is qualified to do so...
User6: well he did develop a 250 million dollar software company ...he must have some technical expertise besides business sense
User3: i honestly have no idea, mir just seems like a very bad idea. but that's just my perspective, i don't know what canonical knows etc.
User3: in my view it would just make sense to join everyone else and develop wayland.
User6: I'm sure canonical knows that wayland was the way of the future but thought they could out flank it bu promoting mir and monetize it somehow
User6: bu=by
User3: i think they want mir to have control over the ubuntu touch stack, in case that goes big. i could be wrong.
User6: somehow being the operative word ..pie in the sky :-)
User3: they mad a big fuss about being able to use android graphics drivers, but the library they used was developed for wayland :)
User3: *made
User6: doubt that ubuntu phones are going anywhere , they're way too late in the game
User3: probably. it would be nice with another big player, though.
User6: I'm not a big phone user ...I use mine as a phone mostly, check my email via wifi and take a few pics now and then. The data option is turned off.
User6: cell phone data rates are extrremely high in Canada
User3: me neither, just voice and sms. last month i used 13mb data.
User6: it's nothing to have a 200buck phone bill here
User6: cell phone bill
User3: wow, that's 10 times what i pay...
User6: if you use the data option, but we pay $16/mos ...pay as we go plan
User6: 200bucks is why the users who are addicted to their phones, can't spend more than 5 mins in a conversation with anyone without pulling the phone out and checking their "messages"
User6: and it's not just younger people
User5: oh look there's a zombie... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Adobe-Will-Update-Linux-Flash
User3: urgh, just die already.
User6: yeah, can't understand the reluctance by webmasters to adopt html5 ..is it that much work ?
User6: ok, installed the new flash 23 beta plugin and it works, even on a site that always indicated that i needed to update or install flashpalyer
User2: new flash 23 beta plugin ??
User2: ... scary ...
User6: wonder if it works on raspian ..I won't know til the sdcard arrives
User6: yeah
User2: maybe you are powned by the new pokemon-rootkit-botnet-trouble
User2: http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pokemon-themed-umbreon-linux-rootkit-hits-x86-arm-systems/
User6: OerHeks, well we have to work with what's available...webmasters don't seem to want to convert to HTML5 so what eslae can we do
User2: fire that webmaster .... no, wait .. fire @ webmaster!
User2: he must convert, as all browsers give the banana to jack this year.
User6: my arm system is disabled atm , my sdcard crapped out so i ordered new one
User6: gonna move root to a usb stick and just use the sdcard for booting the raspi3
User2: You don't have a spare ext hdd ?
User2: there is a bootloader for that.
User6: yes I have spare hdd, but it's an ide
User6: my sata 1TB WD died as did my sata250GB WD
User6: no more WDs for me
User2: :-(
User6: but a 64Gb usb will work just fine on the rasbpi I thiink
User2: err.. rasp 3?
User6: raspberrypi 3
User5: you can't pin two fails on a whole brand :)
User5: every brand sucks as much as the next nowadays!
User2: oh oke, that supports 64 gb
User6: well seagte used to have poor rep for qualityin my price range so i stuck with WD all thses yrs, now my old seagate 160Gb ide drive from 2005 is still working
User2: seagate has a very low failure
User6: my Samsung EVO 850 ssd is great so far replacing the 250 WD that died last yr
User5: seagate have dropped to a 2 year warranty here :( i won't even consider that
User7: Good moring
User7: does anyone use Ubuntu Server? I have Amahi and thinking of switching thoughts?
User3: amahi? never heard of.
User7: its rund son fedora, amahi.org
User3: User7 no idea about that, i set up what i need myself.
User7: what do you use
User7: Im currently running plex and file back up, what do you recomend
User3: i have a zfs file server serving files over nfs, attic for backup and kodi for media.
User7: Ok, what is the OS that you run?
User3: ubuntu 16.04
User7: destop side or server side?
User3: everything, except the rpi that runs kodi, it runs openelec.
User7: ok, so running the server side for plex and file back up will do the trick and i have one stand alone tower and then everybodys personel computers
User3: i have no windows machines, though, so i don't need samba etc.
User7: alright, i have 4 windows pc, that need to talk to the server
User3: then you will need samba.
User7: does ubuntu allow for disk pooling, is there web acesses since their no qui or is it all cmd line
User3: there's no real admin gui, the best way (imo) is command line. but i've been using linux for 25 years or so, so i'm familiar with it.
User7: im defenently a newbie have only been using linux for about a year, I just want a reliable home server to stream all my media (through plex) and back up / share files
User3: User7 then something like amahi or openmediavault might be a good choice. i don't know much about them.
User7: amahi is what im running now, it has worked well but has crashed a couple of times in the last year for no reason. I understand that they need up keep, but it some how has randomly deleted the the samba log file and now i cant get to my files
User3: look at their web page where their support channels are, this is not a support channel.
User7: Im going have to reinstall it so i was just looking at other distros to see if they are better to switch over to
User7: oh i have been, i understand that. I wasnt asking for it
User3: i've heard good things about freenas and openmediavault, but freenas is very picky about hardware.
User7: just explaining the situation, if i need to reinstall i should look around and see other option
User3: rockstor looks interesting, too.
User7: openmedia vault and plex dont work well but ill look at rockstor
User7: thank you
User3: i would look if your system can run freenas, it has a really good reputation.
User4: why do people always come in from the same ip and talk to each other :|
User2: just playing the fool.
User4: my theory ... it's a school thing, they connect to irc to chat secretly in class, but they should have their own channel for it
User8: that's usually what it is
User5: User4 first one is the idiot with the problem being goaded into trying Linux, then the second one is the one that knows just enough to be dangerous and is trying to get the other to use it
User5: :)
User5: EriC^^: o/
User5: not bad thanks! just been tidying up the new stereo - also got another Dell XPS13 9350 to spruce up for a client before i leave :) how's you? did you take any night photos in the end?
User5: http://imgur.com/a/pgYiy
User5: yeah the guy was selling the deck as well for cheap so i thought why not
User5: Â£170 for the lot
User5: (not the logitech squeezebox on top though, i owned that already)
User5: ah the quality is amazing :>
User5: ah yeah
User5: i was using my little minidisc + CD micro system before, in this pic lower left - http://i.imgur.com/8FajIHx.jpg
User5: just a toy in comparison XD
User5: whereabouts?
User5: oh yep
User5: just the room light yeah
User5: pretty much 100% what the previous owner had when i moved in
User5: ours usually too, my house is 17th century built though
User5: :)
User5: travel is fun, though i'm not looking forward to the long flights
User5: as i'm off to the US on Thursday
User3: User5 looks like i'll be ordering the digital amp i found today tomorrow \o/
User5: :D
User3: now i just need a smart music player...
User5: EriC^^: Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado... Kansas City for a baseball game, Houston, Texas for a couple of days, then the very northern tip of Michigan :>
User5: i apologise in advance if when i get back at the end of September, i complain about planes loads ;)
User3: melatonin ftw
User5: well you know the hours i keep ;) east coast US time already!
User3: hehe - "more better performance" :)
User5: make it more better!
User3: moar all the things!
User3: saw this the other day - Ã¦
User3: saw this the other day - 'annomonesly'
User3: :)
User5: the symbol? in what context?
User3: ignore first attempt, hit Ã¦+enter by mistake.
User5: ah
User3: i want to be annomones too!
User5: must be an annomones sea annemoneeee ;)
User3: !info wayland-protocols yakkety
User9: wayland-protocols (source: wayland-protocols): wayland compositor protocols. In component main, is extra. Version 1.7-1 (yakkety), package size 43 kB, installed size 297 kB
User3: argh, i want to hurt something! damn thing refuses to build...
User3: too tired to make sense of this, going to get some sleep. night, all!
User9: Package mysql does not exist in xenial
User9: mysql-client (source: mysql-5.7): MySQL database client (metapackage depending on the latest version). In component main, is optional. Version 5.7.13-0ubuntu91.69.162.6 (xenial), package size 9 kB, installed size 160 kB
User9: Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) was the 23rd release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 28th, 2016. See !eol, !eolupgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/wily
User5: everything meredithgonzalez@example.com. i think
User5: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
User9: libyaml-libyaml-perl (source: libyaml-libyaml-perl): Perl interface to libyaml, a YAML implementation. In component main, is optional. Version 0.41-6build1 (xenial), package size 63 kB, installed size 184 kB
User9: libdata-alias-perl (source: libdata-alias-perl): module to create aliases instead of copies. In component main, is optional. Version 1.20-1build1 (xenial), package size 34 kB, installed size 88 kB
User10: thanks for that info Bashing-om
User5: (:
User10: I actually think I will get the zfs pool up also I just want to be sure the server is uptodate first
User5: indeed no point dealing with external volumes until a host is current :>
User10: User5 specially because there is over 5 tb in that pool
User5: that's nothing versus modern standards
User10: true, but well if I shoud download that from amazon backup then I would say rip internet ( the server is atm on my home connection 80/20 mbit )
User5: were you the one running non-LTS? you'll want to avoid doing things like that
User10: yeah the old server were 12.10 because it were a cold offline storage, and only got network when the backup should be taken and it has this night been upgraded to 16.04 step by step
User5: ouch
User5: you don't mean the LTS, 12.04?
User5: being offline is even more reason not to run non-LTS (12.10 wasn't LTS)
User5: anyway, in the present now...
User10: it were 12.10 because that were the cd I had when i installed the server back in the days and yeah that were a huge mistake by the non lts
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