User1: hmm
User1: i have .themes, but for some reason it seems to be recognized as an archive
User2: User1 that's the archive you just renamed with mv
User1: umm..
User2: just rename it to something else
User1: okay
User3: shoot, i just installed ubuntu instead of xubuntu... is there a list somewhere of packages i should remove before i apt-get install xubuntu-desktop? (i have very little disk space on this machine)
User1: so the theme file is a .tar.gz within a .tar.gz; do i have to unpack both?
User2: User3 I think you can just remove ubuntu-desktop and then do autoremove
User3: is that enough?
User3: hmm, i guess i'll find out
User3: thanks TheSheep
User2: User1 yes, but thunar should unpack both at the same time
User1: ah, i got it!
User1: thanks
User1: Would you mind answering one more question, TheSheep?
User1: Oh wait, I might not need help.
User2: User1 there are two kinds of themes, gtk and xfce themes. the first is for general looks, and you choose it in UI settings, the other is for the window borders, and you set it in WM settings
User1: Or maybe I do.
User1: Ah.
User1: Okay
User1: Are icon themes installed in a similar fashion?
User2: User1 yes, but they go to .icons
User1: Makes sense.
User2: there are also system-wide locations: /usr/share/themes and /usr/share/icons, but you need administrator rights to write there
User2: you can start thunar in admin mode with 'gksu thunar'
User1: Okay
User2: themes you put there are visible for all users
User1: Well I only have one user, so it doesn't really matter.
User1: Hmm
User1: I assume icon themes need to be unpacked within the .icons folder?
User2: yes
User4: how do i change my system fonts in xubuntu?
User4: in ubuntu there's just preferences -> fonts or whatever but i can't find such a thing in xubuntu... it probably doesn't help that it's on a tv so it's quite difficult to make out everything until i do manage to increase the font sizes :)
User2: User4 settings->user interface settings
User1: Strange, I did that for the icon theme and it didn't show up
User4: User2 thanks a bunch :)
User2: User1 is there a index.theme file in there?
User1: umm
User1: There are lots of folders
User2: it should be in the same folder where 16x16, 24x24, etc. folders are
User1: I don't see folders like that, and I know what you are talking about
User2: User1 so what kind of folders are there?
User1: actions, apps, devices, emblems, mimetypes, places, states
User1: status*
User2: so it's one level lower already
User2: what's inside, .png or .svg files?
User1: svg
User2: then make a folder called 'scalable' and move them into it
User1: within .themes?
User1: err within .icons?
User2: it should be .themes/ThemeName/scalable/thesvgfiles.svg
User2: sorry
User2: .icons
User2: not .themes
User2: sorry again
User1: umm
User1: okay
User2: it should be .themes/ThemeName/scalable/applications/thesvgfiles.svg
User2: it should be .icons/ThemeName/scalable/applications/thesvgfiles.svg
User1: it's strange because the folder does not have the icon theme's name
User2: etc.
User1: okay..
User2: probably somewhat raw, not prepared for distribution
User1: perhaps
User1: so i created a folder for the theme name since there wasn't one
User1: now i have .icons/Crashbit/scalable...
User2: hehe, somehow I knew it's this theme
User1: lol
User1: I like it a lot
User1: Is that right though?
User1: Because I still don't see it under the theme manager.
User2: User1 they don't hae the index file, they are just images
User1: so does that mean they have to be applied manually somehow?
User2: User1 I suppose you could copy the index file from some other icon theme in /usr/share/icons
User2: and see if that works
User2: but I would just wait for the official release
User1: Copy it to where exactly?
User1: yeah that's probably a good idea.
User2: to the .icons/CrashBit/
User1: But I think that a previous realease had worked better.
User1: aka it had an index file.
User1: oh well.
User1: Maybe I'll just use black-whtite
User1: white*
User1: Anyway, thanks for your help!
User1: Dinner time though.
User5: goodnight
User5: 02:00 AM here ;)
User1: hi
User1: Anyone use the ALSA mixer on Xubuntu?
User6: can someone help me get my wireless card working?
User7: Zrax`: look for an smb client
User7: Zrax`: smb is file sharing protocol
User7: Zrax`: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
User7: Zrax`: that might not be the most up to date but it will give you an idea, you might even have samba installed, I'm not sure if its in the default install
User7: Zrax`: they all do the same job, Gnome and KDE are the two largest and full featured, each is built with its own `toolkit' so they look and feel entirely different
User7: xfce4 attempts to be more lightweight whilst still retaining functionality
User7: Zrax`: nothing stopping you from trying them all out
User7: gennerally no, lets say you are running gnome and wish to install a kde app, that kde app will need some of the basic kde libraries to run, so on startup it might feel a bit slower
User7: but once loaded it will be fine
User7: yes
User7: xfce and gnome share some of the same gtk libs though
User7: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops
User7: Zrax`: yes, but apt will install them for you
User7: Zrax`: thats the intent yes
User7: sometimes there are problems but debian/ubuntu has a very good packaging system
User7: np, good luck!
User7: :)
User8: having some audio problems with mixer, anyone mind helping? http://i6.tinypic.com/72tpppc.png
User8: don't know if ubuntu mixer is same as xfce one
User8: maybe I should toy with alsamixer some
User3: does xubuntu use significantly less cpu than gnome?
User3: i mean i know it uses less ram, but what about cpu?
User2: User3 by default, it uses applications that are faster and require less cpu
User2: User3 for example, abiword instead of openoffice
User3: yeah, but what about the gui itself
User3: i mean, i mainly use firefox, pidgin, perl, and cc
User3: does it use some sort of firefox on a diet? ;-)
User2: I don't think those four differ
User2: you could try Opera instead of firefox, I guess
User2: or epiphany
User3: ugh i've tried epiphany
User3: and opera doesn't do much or me
User3: guess i'll just stick with my bloated gnome for now
User3: thanks tho
User2: ah, and xubuntu doesn't have those .Net plugins :)
User2: User3 one thing I noticed is that using a fast gtk theme engine helps a lot -- the Human theme is not very fast
User2: User3 xubuntu uses Murrina which is much faster
User1: Anyone alive?
User9: hi, any one has upgraded to pidgin 2.3.1 on xubuntu?
User10: Hi, I'am using Xubuntu 7.04
User11: !hi
User12: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
User10: I've a problem with screen saver setting
User11: what happens?
User10: When try to access to Screen Saver Configuration the system hang
User11: tried a reboot?
User10: yes
User10: Then I can't disabled the screensaver
User11: try this page - http://linuxreviews.org/quicktips/screenblanking/
User10: Are there any manner to change screensaver setting by hand, modify a config file maybe?
User11: To turn off screen blanking:  xset s off
User11: a quote from that page
User11: xscreensaver can be stopped and terminated with xscreensaver-command -exit. add to apps-system-pref-sessions-startup
User10: ok, I will try
User11: k
User10: I tried to set off with xset s off, but this not work
User10: when I try to access at screensaver setting the system hang and I must reboot
User11: in a terminal type   xset    and see the last options - does it say anything about screensaver maxi_?
User10: doing a xset -q, the screen saver config are:
User10: prefer blanking: yes
User10: allow exposure: yes
User10: timeout:0   cycle:0
User11: I installed vlc to watch movies 'cause it has an option to disable the screensaver
User10: sorry, I'am a linux beginner :(
User11: is that what your trouble is?
User11: watching movies :)
User11: try   xset s noblank
User10: my main problem is when I try to update Xubuntu 7.04 to Xubuntu 7.10, then after some time, apparently the screen saver begin to work and the installation hang (because the system hang of course)
User2: User10 update from the command line
User2: User10 press alt+ctrl+f1 to switch to a text console
User11: do it from the login prompt
User13: hello
User13: I have not questions...
User13: :)
User7: User13 just ask them
User11: User13 lucky you :)
User14: hi, howto start an application as root in alt f2 window, something like kdesu in kde?
User2: sudo
User10: Is possible update xubuntu 7.04 to 7.10 from CD ?
User10: Are the any comand line for this ?
User2: User10 you'd just have to add the cd as a package source
User10: sorry, how can do it?
User2: User10 I'm not sure
User2: !upgrade
User12: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
User15: Good morning!
User15: I'm new on using Linux systems, so I started with xubuntu. My first "problem": How to playback .mp3-files? - I tried with a double-click, and a media player opened, but it didn't playback, but it shut down.
User16: I have tried to install xubuntu 7.10 on my other computer, When i put in my live cd, i select "Start or Install Xubuntu", the linux kernal loads, the Xubuntu loading thing moves left and right, and something called "Busy" somthing loads and i have  a list of commands
User15: Which driver do I have to install?
User15: And where can I get it?
User2: !mp3
User12: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
User15: Thanks! I'll try to install extra plugins.
User15: So I'm installing vlc player now (apt-get install vlc*)
User2: good choice
User2: for movies at least
User2: for music I recommend mpd+sonata
User15: Yes, I heared about this before, it opens files like streams, so it could read damaged files, too.. ;)
User15: mpd and sonata? - this I didn't heared.
User2: User15 mpd is nice beacuse it runs on yuor computer as service, starts playing before you log out and plays even when you swithc users. Sonata is just a kidn of remote control for it
User2: before you log in
User2: you can also control it from another computer
User15: Oh, nice.
User15: I think I hae to get it. ;)
User2: there are a lot of clinet (controllers) for mpd, I use Sonata and mpc (a command line client, for binding to keys)
User15: Thank you for this tip.
User15: Ok, and which ones are GUI-clients/-remotecontrol applications for mpd?
User15: If my English is bad, I'm sorry: I'm from Germany. ;)
User2: User15 I know of Sonata, Pympd, Gmpc
User2: User15 your English is very good
User15: Ok, Thank you.
User2: User15 there is a list at http://musicpd.org/clients.shtml
User2: User15 there is even a panel plugin for xfce :)
User2: omg, gbemol looks like another amarok clone :(
User17: How do I connect to a wlan?
User17: Using iwlist eth1 scan I get two available
User17: one is mine and the other is my neighbour
User2: User17 the simpliest way is through system->network
User17: Hehe thank you, worked like a charm :D
User17: How do I start that from the terminal?
User2: iwconfig eth1 essid any
User2: or essid 'your essid here'
User2: !wifi
User12: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
User18: greetings, shouldn't xubuntu gutsy be able automount USB pens out of the box?
User2: User17 yes
User2: sorry
User2: User18 yes
User18: hmm
User18: HAL detects the hotplug but that's it
User18: hang on
User2: User18 you can configure it in thunar in edit->prefernces->advanced->configure volume manager
User15: User2 OK. Now I have installed mpd and sonata, but if I set up my music folder (external drive), and search for *.mp3 file name, he doesn't find anything..
User17: User2 Thank you very much :-)
User2: User15 hmm... is it readable for user mdp?
User2: mpd?
User15: I don't know. Is there a user "mpd"?
User2: User15 there is since the moment you installed mpd
User18: User2 yep, every box is ticked in there for removable media
User2: User18 then it seems it has trouble detecting/mounting it
User2: User18 check dmesg
User15: It's a FAT-system (I'm using windows normally), I don't know if xubuntu doesn't give permission for other users to access external drives.
User2: User15 it may be the case
User2: User15 you can try and mount it so that it's readable for all users (there are tutorials) or just use some simplier music player
User15: Wait, I'll try..
User18: User2 usbview doesn't recognize the drive... usbdevfs missing?
User2: User18 unlikely
User2: User18 did you try to mount it manually?
User18: User2 no
User18: not yet
User18: trying to exhaust other possibilities first
User18: ok I have dmesg here, what should I look for?
User2: look at the last few lines after you insert the pen
User2: it should tell about how it found a new device and stuff
User2: look if there are any errors
User18: ah you mean dmesg from a terminal, not the logfile... hang on
User2: it's the same
User18: here goes: sda1
User2: if it's more than 3 lines, use pastebin please
User18: ok will do
User18: User2 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50979/
User18: a firewal event slipped in there but that should be it
User2: User18 looks good
User18: I think I managed once to make usbview see the USB pen with a modprobe stunt, but that was when hotplug didn't work at all
User2: User18 have you tried googling for your pen make/model and linux/ubuntu?
User18: on it right now
User16: I put in my Xubuntu 7.10, select "Start or Install Xubuntu", the Linux Kernal loads, then the Xubuntu logo shows up, and the loading bar moves back and forth, then i get a "BusyBox v1.1.3" How can I install Xubuntu, the cd worked on my other computer.
User2: User16 you can try with different boot options
User2: User16 you get a help screen when you press f1 at the boot menu
User2: User16 you can also try searching the forums for your particular make/model of the computer, maybe someone had already a similar problem
User16: I dont get it, It installed 100% fine on a slower computer, and now it wont work on this faster one
User16: i'll try the F1 thing now
User2: User16 it might require some boot options if the hardware is not 100% compatible
User18: USB 2.0 devices are backward compatible with the USB 1.1 standard anre't they?
User2: User18 they are
User18: thought I was getting nuts
User19: PsynoKhi0, yes, at USB 1.1 speeds
User18: gnome-volume-manager is up and running too...
User18: or is it...
User18: ermm ps -ef | grep gnome-volume-manager returns 11517 11411  3 18:51 pts/0    00:00:00 grep gnome-volume-manager
User2: User18 thunar has its own volume manager
User18: ah
User2: and I think it doesn't have to run all the time -- dbus will start it when needed
User18: ok I even have gnome-mount installed... clueless
User18: thunar-volman is there too...
User2: User18 try mounting it with mount
User2: User18 as root
User18: sudo mount -vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbkey ?
User18: ffs I so hate how Firefox ends up eating all my CPU power after a while
User20: dual core -> it eats only one core :P
User21: :D
User20: and BOINC eats the other core..
User1: Can anyone help with configuring my sound?
User18: User1  what soundcard are you suing?
User18: using even
User1: An SB Audigy 2
User1: My sound works fine in Ubuntu when I use the ALSA mixer, but that doesn't seem to be an option in Xubuntu, PsynoKhi0
User1: hello?
User18: do you see the sound mixer plugin on your top desktop bar?
User18: or wherever you get it
User1: Oh good
User1: Well, I added one
User1: There wasn't one there already.
User18: ok
User1: So I do have two device options.
User18: can you increase the volume?
User1: yes
User18: oh... Audigy and AC97?
User18: nvm, is it working now?
User18: ok what directory should I mount my USB to?
User18: something like /media/usb ?
User7: User18 yeah, /media/ is a good place for removable stuff
User18: ty
User18: fat or vfat as a file system? the key has files from a WinXP machine
User7: most likely vfat
User7: try it, mount will tell you if its wrong
User18: ok I tried /media/usb mountpoint doesn't exist
User7: sudo mkdir /media/usbdrive/
User7: or whatever you want to call it
User18: I don't want to call it anything I want it to automount :(
User7: you still need a mount point
User7: your hanging another filesystem off the / tree, it needs to know where to put it
User18: ermm are USB mp3 players handled differently from plain USB keys?
User7: it depends, I have /media/ipod/ for example and my ipod can be read directly just like any other usb drive
User1: i'm having connection problems - i'll be back
User18: ok no error message when mounting by hand... trying to access the key's content now
User1: ugh
User1: I'm back..
User18: wb
User18: ok so I can see the files in Thunar
User18: took a while to show up though
User18: ermm can't see anything anymore :)
User18: the key disconnected itself...
User18: it isn't appearing in the device manager anymore
User18: is there some kind of timeout on USB hubs??
User7: not that I know of
User7: brb
User18: alright, dmesg returns a lot of stuff like this
User18: [28212.608000] FAT: Directory bread(block 24891) failed
User18: [28212.608000] scsi 4:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
User22: I did CTRL+Z on a process and it stopped. How do I resume that process? And, when I have got my process back, how do I get a running process into the background without stopping it? CTRL+Z stopping the process...
User23: how do i make a launcher accept a file being drg'n'dropped on it?
User23: nalioth, do you know how o make a launcher in xfce accept file arguments?
User24: !ru
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User25: Anyone know how to stop the display from suspending after 10 minutes? It happens no matter what I disable (even DPMS in xorg.conf)...
User18: standby mode or blank screensaver?
User25: User18 I changed my screensaver to something else to see if it was that, and I get a blank screen after 10 minutes. I also increased all of the timeouts I could find to above 10 minutes and it still cuts off exactly on 10.
User18: User25 ah... sorry I don't know :(
User26: hi guys
User26: happy new years all
User26: just wonderin..ibm notpad ...p2  ..64 megs of ram..will xbuntu run on it
User26: im new to linux..been done with Windows for a while...Macs whch i use are a tad bit pricey for my taste..so linux here i come
User26: any help would be apreciated
User18: xubuntu should run as long as you install from an Alternate CD and stay away from big apps like OpenOffice (stick to AbiWord and Gnumeric)
User18: you could try even lighter distro like Puppy Linux
User18: och Slax Popcorn
User26: noted
User26: thanks man
User18: though Xubuntu has a larger support and better translation (if it' important to you)
User18: it gets updated more regularly too, and the community is kinda big
User26: like i said i new to linux..i gonna buy myself a new but cheap laptop, hows wifi support in linux
User20: good
User26: ya, im really liking what im discovering online when it comes to community, i think linux is gonna be great and breath of fresh here
User26: aier
User26: air
User26: damm stubby fingers. :=)
User26: I'm a hug MAC fan, but im finding harder and harder to justify the prices they charge
User26: Gotta split, thanks all...ill be seeing ya around
User18: ah crap, forgot puppy linux wasn't that great to start from the live CD with less than 128MB
User27: what is Puppy linux
User18: a small linus distro
User18: linux*
User27: isnt this the xubuntu chat?
User18: he was asking if Xubuntu would work on his old comp
User27: oh ok
User27: nm then
User28: Hello
User18: hi
User18: Laney?
User25: PsynoKhi0?
User18: just a wild guess, do you have ACPI on?
User25: User18 Er, I don't know. How do I check?
User25: (I'm seeing this on two machines)
User18: several ways I can think of.... /var/log/dmesg file, ps -ef | grep acpi in a terminal... the hal device manager(
User25: I see an acpid process
User18: that's for energy management
User18: but lsmod | grep acpi shows if ti's loaded
User18: it's*
User25: I see asus_acpi on my laptop and acpi_cpufreq on desktop
User25: Shall I try rmmod?
User18: only those 2?
User25: http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/acpi is desktop's output
User18: I wouldn't touch it on the laptop
User25: Can't see cpufreq having anything to do with it - seems like it's just for speedstep
User18: yup
 * Laney grumbles
User25: I asked on ubuntu-uk, hopefully they'll have some answers
User18: *note to self: dump wild guesses*
User18: anyone available?
User28: User18 alway
User18: hehe
User18: can ACPI cause random disconnects from the USB hub on a pre-2000 PC?
User18: or maybe APIC?
User29: ACPI on pre-2000 machines?  Heh, yeah, can be very problematic.
User29: I don't think that's necessarily where I'd start troubleshooting hardware, however.
User18: hmmm APIC then
User18: ?
User29: do you have an AMD K6-2 or something?
User18: yes
User29: then it's probably not ACPI at all but apic as you alluded to.
User29: have you tried using " noapic nolapic"?
User18: not yet
User18: do I need to do update-grub after modifying the menu.lst file?
User29: yes
User29: presuming you edited the # KOPTS line
User18: alrighty I'll try that
User29: (or is it # KOPT?)
User18: do I need to add irqpolli pci=routeirq
User18: oops irqpoll*
User29: only if you need them
User18: how do I know? hehe
User29: you'll know. :-)
User18: that sounds scary :(
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