User1: #startmeeting
User2: Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is barry.
User2: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
User1: hi everybody and welcome to this week's platform foundations meeting
User1: who's here today?
User3: hi
User1: [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0526
User2: LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0526
User4: hi
User1: cjwatson sends his apologies
User4: looks like a small meeting :)
User1: doko, User5 ping
User5: hey
User5: in a flame-war on fedora-devel-list
User5: it's fun ;)
User4: about what?
User5: guess :p
User4: heh :)
User1: :)
User1: [TOPIC] lightning round
User2: New Topic:  lightning round
User1: order: surbhi, barry, mvo, ev, Keybuk, doko
User1: but surbhi's not here, so...
User1: cj bug 545306 (SystemError); cj bug triage and pushed 2.0.1 to PPA (will ask mvo for sponsor upload); wikkid branch review for thumper, implemented packaging branch, blog post; hr goodness; sprint travel; maverick work items; dmb meeting (though my app is deferred until next meeting); foundations-m-python-continuous-integration discussion; quickly python-lib & bug 585617.  eot.
User6: Launchpad bug 545306 in computer-janitor (Ubuntu) "computer-janitor-gtk crashed with SystemError in open()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545306
User6: Launchpad bug 585617 in quickly "quickly should support user defined template paths" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585617
User4: did: software-center work (branch merge backlog), update-manager SRU
User4: working on: language-selector dbusification, workitems/specs
User4: (done)
User5: Watching and listening back to UDS recordings, and building up notes, etc.
User5: Begun work on the Upstart 0.10 roadmap, going to be a largish document to pass around.
User5: Some discussions with Fedora/RH people.
User5: ~
User7: pong
User1: oops, we skipped ev :)
User5: ev was too slow
User1: :)
User1: ev?
User7: done: eglibc-2.12 merge, gcc-4.3/gdc-4.3 updates, bank holiday, sick day
User7: --
User3: performance reviews, helping summer of code student (xnox) get usb-creator into debian, making a new usb disk for the shop, reviewing the new work Michael has done on the installer design spec, hacking on hudson to model the behavior I'm after for remastering CDs with a new ubiquity and testing them on lots of hardware.  Looks like I need to extend the locks-and-latches plugin to support shared locks.
User3: blocked: installer design spec (partially - I intend to start work on the multilayered debconf today/tomorrow)
User3: --
User3: sorry, ZNC disconnect
User1: [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting
User2: New Topic:  Outstanding actions from last meeting
User3: oh, and specs of course
User1: i think there were none?
User3: I don't recall any
User1: [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
User2: New Topic:  Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
User1: probably not relevant at this point in the cycle?
User1: [TOPIC] Farming out tasks that aren't being handled
User2: New Topic:  Farming out tasks that aren't being handled
User1: nor is that i think...
User1: [TOPIC] Sponsorship queue
User2: New Topic:  Sponsorship queue
User1: [LINK] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
User2: LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
User8: yes, please!
User1: since i don't have upload rights yet, is there anything i can do to help?  seems like we have a lot in this queue
User8: it'd be nice if everybody spent a bit of time getting stuff off the list that is not appropriate, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews has more info about it
User9: User1 There are more than a few distribute/python-setuptools bugs that could use some attention from someone who understands how it's supposed to work.
User8: User1 if you find something that still needs work, I'm sure somebody on your team can lend you the powers to get it off the list temporarily :)
User4: User1 if you have specific items that just need a upload I can do that
User1: ScottK, dholbach cool thanks.  i'll try to get some of that
User1: User4 thanks
User8: awesome!
User8: thanks guys
User1: anything else on sponsorship?
User1: [TOPIC] Any business from activity reports
User2: New Topic:  Any business from activity reports
User1: User3 how's gsoc going?
User3: User1 brilliantly
User3: Dmitrijs has really hit the ground running
User10: here, sorry I'm late
User1: awesome!  thanks so much for mentoring the next generation of ubuntu hackers :)
User10: done: finished writing up specs; dove into merging; added packageset seed permission exceptions
User4: my guy (donkult) is also doing great in SoC
User10: todo: didn't really manage to get started on foundations-m-cd-boot much, except for bringing it up with upstream, so will do some more on that this week
User3: I've already merged a few branches from him and as mentioned, he's actively working to get usb-creator in Debian.  He's milestoned a console frontend for early next month.
User1: User10 thanks
User1: User3 nice; mvo, sorry what is your guy working on again?
User4: User1 multiarch support in apt
User1: rock on
User10: oh, and alpha-1 next week, so expecting to be plugging away at that
User4: but he also worked on general apt stuff, I uploaded apt into debian-experimental with some basic support recently
User4: upgrades via lucid->maverick should work now too btw
User4: via update-manager
User4: and do-release-upgrade
User1: User4 very cool, i will try that in a vm today
User1: User4 what kind of stuff is he doing to apt?
User3: User4 out of curiosity, are you having him write an Ubuntu spec and add work items to the foundations page of the tracker? I've asked Dmitrijs to do that on the theory that it will make him feel like more of a member of Foundations, as we're all working to get below the red line.
User4: you need to set /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades to "normal" instead of lts
User1: User4 right, thanks, i'd forgotten about that
User4: User3 technically he is part of debian, we did a swap with debian for some organisational reason
User3: ahh
User3: fair enough :)
User4: User1 yeah, its a common thing, I need to fix that so that its more obvious :/
User4: User3 :)
User1: [TOPIC] Good news
User2: New Topic:  Good news
User4: SoC!
User3: hear hear
User1: i guess the fact that prague is confirmed is good news too :)
User1: [TOPIC] AOB
User2: New Topic:  AOB
User3: Mumble!  Everyone jump on the bandwagon
User3: So far it's just me, Colin, and rarely Scott in the foundations room
 * barry will try it this week
User1: but i think i will be lonely later in the day :)
User10: specs
User5: User3 the rarely scott is more of a factor that I've spent most of my time listening to uds tapes
User10: two people have replied to my plea for data so far :)
User10: which is good but I was hoping for a few more
User5: and being interrupted by "evan was moved in from root by server" is irritating ;)
User5: especially since Colin sits so far away from microphones that I have the volume up so loud, that when you move in from root, people down the road know about it
User1: User5 any good sessions we might have missed that are worth a listen?
User3: User5 we have the source code to Mumble, donchaknow
User3: comment that line out
User10: if you haven't finished yet, please at least send me the list of specs you're working on drafting, so that (a) I can see which ones *nobody* is drafting, and (b) I can make sure they're all targeted to maverick so that they show up on our work items list
User10: the sooner this gets done, the more accurate the start point on our work items graph can be
User5: User10 err, I apparently have no specs ;-)
User10: ?
User10: I thought there was foundations-m-finish-upstart at least
User5: there's no spec for that though
User5: and those I am putting together are on launchpad.net/upstart
User5: which can't be targeted to maverick
User10: well, fine, but telling me "zero" is better than not replying to my mail. :-)
User5: (cause I have to pretend other distros are going to use upstart next cycle :p)
User10: that way, at least I know
User5: User10 I'm telling you zero now ;)
User10: ack
User10: perhaps we can figure out a way of getting upstart specs onto the WI list
User10: it really helps me to see what's going on for everyone
User5: yes, I have on my todo to talk to pitti to get the work items included in that list
User5: e.g. whether pitti can just include the upstart 0.10 milestone as a maverick one
User10: if you're happy for that to be done, I can probably take care of it
User5: oh, definitely happy for that
User10: are all the specs you're planning on working on targeted for 0.10 already, then?
User5: no
User5: none of them exist yet
User5: roadmap first, roadmap produces specs
User10: ok
User5: roadmap I intend to be finished with tomorrow/friday
User10: tell me when you have something so that I have test cases? :-)
User5: and then send that round people, to get feedback
User5: while I write up the initial specs for those parts of the roadmap that are doable for maverick
User5: kk
User1: question for y'all: in the future does it make more sense to just update the meeting wiki page with your activity reports yourself, or should we still send them into the meeting chair?
User5: https://launchpad.net/upstart/+milestone/0.10.0
User5: ^ is the milestone
User10: ok
User5: sorry, I just squeed myself with the 0.6.6 codename again
User1: oh well, anyway :)
User10: User1 I don't mind either way
User1: [TOPIC] next week's chair
User2: New Topic:  next week's chair
User10: as long as it gets done
User1: User10 yeah, maybe it's better that the chair can ride herd
User1: any volunteers for next week?
 * ev raises hand
User1: User3 thanks!
User1: and if there's nothing else, that's it!
User1: 5
User1: 4
User1: 3
User1: 2
User1: 1
User1: #endmeeting
User2: Meeting finished at 10:36.
User3: thanks!
User1: thanks everybody!
User1: (send those activity reports :)
User4: thanks
 * ara waves
 * fader_ waves.
User11: hello!
User12: hey!
User13: Is there any documentation about what is typically covered by the Q&A team?
User14: Paddy_NI, qa.ubuntu.com will point you to the right place
User15: ~o~
User13: Thank you
User16: User13 Not sure if you're looking for "Questions and Answers" or "Quality Assurance" -- this meeting is for the latter :)
User17: hey Q&A team
User13: ah
User13: :)
User16: Though we're certainly happy to help with QA Q&A :)
User14: OK, let's get started
User15: hi thekorn
User14: #startmeeting
User2: Meeting started at 12:01. The chair is ara.
User2: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
User14: Agenda, as usual, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
User14: # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
User14: # Bug Day status -- pvillavi
User14: # Results of the meetings time poll - ara
User14: # Blueprints update -- all
User14: # Laptop Testing wiki cleanup - ara
User14: # Sound Card Compatibility Testing - awbancroft
User14: # Selection of new chair - ara
User14: [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
User2: New Topic:  SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
User12: SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2010-05-19):
User12: * lucid: 20 new packages in -proposed (abiword, chromium-browser, exo, gnome-screensaver, gtk+2.0, gtkmm2.4, hamster-applet, librsvg, netbook-launcher, netbook-meta, openssh, pm-utils-powersave-policy, postgresql-8.4, pygtksourceview, python-apt, rhythmbox, telepathy-butterfly, totem, vinagre, virtuoso-opensource)
User12: and 11 packages pushed to -updates (apt, bareftp, edubuntu-artwork, glibmm2.4, jockey, pangomm, php5, rcmdr, software-center, unetbootin, xsane)
User12: * karmic: 2 new packages in -proposed (postgresql-8.4, virtualbox-ose)
User12: and 1 package pushed to -updates (kdepimlibs)
User12: * jaunty: 2 new packages in -proposed (postgresql-8.3, virtualbox-ose)
User12: and 2 packages pushed to -updates (sun-java6)
User12: * hardy: 2 new packages in -proposed (apache2, postgresql-8.3)
User12: * dapper: 1 new package in -proposed (postgresql-8.1)
User12: Thanks to Wolfgang Kufner, Takkat, Charlie Kravetz (charlie-tca), Irihapeti, Dietmar, slumbergod, Andreas Wenning (a|wen), Leo, Filip Palm, Jens Langner, Jean-FranÃ§ois Fortin Tami (nekohayo), areskz, Steffen Krumbholz, Pirouette CacahuÃ¨te, Thorsten Reinbold, Maciej BÄcÅawski (Hakkatuka), Jonathan Thomas (JontheEchidna), NumÃ©rigraphe, Hagen FÃ¼rstenau, Scott Kitterman (ScottK), Jan Schneider (yunosh), JoÃ£o Neves, and othe
User12: rs for testing SRUs this week.
User12: Nice to see the amount of SRUs for lucid calming down a bit.
User9: Don't worry.  Working on more.
User15: heh
User11: heh
User12: User9 I'd never doubt you!
User12: Plenty still out there for people to test: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
User16: Job security ;)
User12: (that's all I have unless there's any questions)
User14: OK, let's move on. Thanks sbeattie!
User14: sbeattie, before that, I have a question
User14: sbeattie, is there a place in the wiki where you publish this same report?
User12: User14 no, but I can.
User14: well, I don't want to put more work on you, at least it is something people might be interested in
User12: User14 any particular location you'd like it published?
User14: somewhere under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates ?
User12: Okay, I thought perhaps under the QATeam somewhere, but that might work as well.
User14: sbeattie, yes, maybe under QATeam makes more sense and it is easier to find
User14: sbeattie, a link from SRU won't do any harm, though
User15: ideally, we should link to current/proposed off w.u.c/SRU
User15: and, of course, to thank-yous
 * sbeattie takes an action item
User15: User12 sorry for the additional work...
User14: [ACTION] sbeattie to create a wiki page of history of SRUs
User2: ACTION received:  sbeattie to create a wiki page of history of SRUs
User14: [TOPIC] Bug Day status -- pedro_
User2: New Topic:  Bug Day status -- pedro_
User11: On Thursday 20 we had a bug day based on Update Manager:
User11: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100520
User11: ~41 bugs were triage. Thanks a bunch to our bug day heroes:  txwikinger, micahg, kamusin, mistrynitesh, brunogirin, jibel, yofel, paulduf, odd-rationale, gregbair and effie-jayx
User11: you guys rock ;-)
User11: Tomorrow our bug day target will be the Epiphany Browser
User11: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100527
User11: There's plenty of bugs waiting to be triaged, so if you have some time and want to learn a bit more about bug triage join us, we'll be glad to help you to start
User14: pedro_, let's hope those bugs don't get triage to the epiphany package ;-)
User11: as always the bug day is going to happen on #ubuntu-bugs ;-)
User11: ara, lol, yeah hope that too ;-)
User18: maybe looking at epiphany bugs and making sure they are not epiphany-browser bugs would be a good idea
User11: nibel already sent a notice to the bugsquad mailing list about that
User15: Nigel, you meant?
User11: bdmurray, good idea indeed, i'll put that in the wiki page
User11: that's all from here ara
User19: hello
User14: pedro_, cool, thanks!
User14: qense, hi :)
User14: [TOPIC] Results of the meetings time poll - ara
User2: New Topic:  Results of the meetings time poll - ara
User14: As you know, we conducted a poll to ask for a different time for this meeting to rotate every other week
User14: The most voted hour was 19:00 UTC, with 17 votes
User19: Which confirms this time is a very good one.
User19: wait
User19: CEST != UTC
User14: qense, we are at 17:00UTC ;-)
User19: whoops
User14: From now on we will be rotating this meeting one week at 17:00 UTC, the following at 19:00 UTC
User16: That makes it even worse for you, ara :/
User14: fader_, yes, but I have to accommodate to the rest of the ubuntu qa team!
User14: fader_, and it is every other week, I will survive (I hope)
User16: :)
 * fader_ should have stuffed the ballot box.
User14: the chair of the meeting (who also rotates) will send the reminder a couple of days before to the mailing list
User12: User14 have we confirmed 1900 UTC is available?
User14: sbeattie, very good point, indeed
User14: sbeattie, we haven't!
 * ara reads fridge.ubuntu.com
User11: fridge says Edubuntu Meeting at 1900 UTC on Wed
User19: aww
User14: that's unfortunate
User14: what do you guys recommend doing?
User14: stgraber, how often do you have edubuntu meetings? it is every week? every other week?
User16: If it goes back to a vote again, I suggest that we have only available slots to vote on
User16: Or we beat up stgraber and steal his slot ;)
User19: that was the second choice, wasn't it?
User12: I guess I'd like to understand why so many people can't make the current timeslot but can make it 2-3 hours later? conflict with work?
User12: (but it's probably better to ask on the mailing list)
User14: I guess it is a matter of work conflicts
User14: who can take the action to talk with stgraber and check how often they have meetings?
User18: What is the advantage to having the meeting here?
User19: good question
User14: bdmurray, the bot?
User19: I mean, it's not like #ubuntu-quality is too busy to use.
User12: or are most of the people that were available at 1900 also available for the current time?
User18: bingo!
User14: so, options are:
User14: 1) revote again with only available slots
User14: 2) talk to stgraber and check if they have meetings every week or not
User14: 3) install a meeting bot in #ubuntu-quality and move the meeting there
User14: what do you guys think?
User18: well I'd say 3 is plan B for 2
User15: +1 with Brian
User19: bdmurray, +1
User15: we go 2 and, if needed, 3
User14: +1
User15: will there be a vote (official)?
User14: hggdh, on what?
User15: new times ;-)
User19: this
User15: otherwise, I would say this is done
User14: I think we can move on, but who take the action on talking with stgraber?
User15: I will
User14: hggdh, thanks!
 * hggdh thinks its time to go and really do something ;-)
User14: [ACTION] hggdh to talk with stgraber about Edubuntu meetings frequency
User2: ACTION received:  hggdh to talk with stgraber about Edubuntu meetings frequency
User14: [TOPIC] Blueprints update -- all
User2: New Topic:  Blueprints update -- all
User14: OK, anyone wants to give updates on their blueprints?
User19: User11 How are the responses from mentors and students going?
User19: Blueprint: qa-maverick-mentoring-program
User11: qense, just waiting an extra day for getting more responses, but so far so good
User19: User11 Many people wanting to stay?
User11: qense, yes, so far we only have 1 person who decided to step down and 1 update (ogasawara->JFo)
User19: ok
User19: good
User11: qense, i'll be sending the updates by the end of this week
User19: By the way, is everyone here familiar with the changes we decided for the Bug Squad's mentoring programme?
User19: User11 great, thanks
User14: qense, a brief summary will be nice :)
User19: the session at the UDS was only attended by hggd, pedro_, two other guys whose name I can't remember and I.
User19: User14 OK
User19: Well, the first thing we said was that it was clear the mentoring programme wasn't exactly working perfectly. We had some mentors on the list, and there were some students on that list as well, but no one was really doing much.
User19: Students wouldn't show up after someone would have accepted them, mentors rarely did accept students.
User19: We saw that it was needed to get some people that would do the assignment of students because otherwise it would not happen.
User19: We decided on a mentorship 'admins' group, consisting of hggdh, pedro_, charlie-tca and myself (for optimal timezone coverage), which would be reponsible for assigning students to mentors.
User19: It would then be up to the mentors to do the rest.
User14: qense, nice, it reminds me to the ubuntu-packaging-coordinators team
User19: They would also have to give a monthly status update during either one of the weekly Bug Squad meetings, or via the mailing list.
User15: BTW, we would still like to get an admin from the Asia/Pacific TZ, in order to cover all TZs
User19: good point from hggdh
User19: Now pedro_ has sent mails to all current students and mentors asking if they still want to get mentored or mentor and we're waiting for their response.
User19: Like pedro_ said we will wait for a bit longer and then update the wiki page and clean up.
User19: New, fresh start
User19: the wiki page should only containt he current mentors witht heir current, accepted students.
User19: THE END
User14: qense, :)
User14: qense, thanks!
User19: Any questions?
User15: qense, good summary, thank you
User11: qense, thanks for the summary ;-)
User19: you're welcome, thank you :)
User14: I will talk a bit about qa-maverick-improve-iso-tracker
User14: [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-improve-iso-tracker
User2: LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-improve-iso-tracker
User14: we need to fix and improve the ISO tracker a bit in order to fill our requirements while we wait for the new "Results Tracker"
User14: I know, it is Drupal, it is PHP, it is ugly
User14: But... if you know how to code that ugly language called PHP and feel like contributing, let me know :)
User16: Why all the PHP hate?  It's not like it's perl ;)
User14: Right now I have assigned all the tasks to myself, and I will be happy to reassign some of them :-)
 * hggdh hides
User14: Write PHP! Help the ISO tracker! PHP is fun! :D
 * txwikinger programs PHP everyday
 * hggdh looks, full of hope
User20: what do you guys need?
User14: txwikinger, you're hired!
User14: txwikinger, I'll send you an email with the details, and you decide :-)
User20: ok. ara
User16: User14 Some of them look pretty easy for even beginners at PHP, e.g. bug 578349
User6: Launchpad bug 578349 in Ubuntu QA Website "[ISO Tracker] bug number input field doesn't trim spaces" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578349
User14: fader_, yes
User19: Isn't there actually a trim() function?
User14: qense, yes, yes, you can get that one :P
User16: Darn it, that was my secret weapon!
User20: User19 yes
User14: any other blueprint?
User14: OK, moving on, then
User14: [TOPIC] Sound Card Compatibility Testing - awbancroft
User2: New Topic:  Sound Card Compatibility Testing - awbancroft
User14: mmm, it looks like awbancroft is not around
User14: I'll send him an email to see if wants to add the topic for next week's meeting
User14: [TOPIC] ara to send an email to awbancroft about Sound Card Compatibility Testing
User2: New Topic:  ara to send an email to awbancroft about Sound Card Compatibility Testing
User14: [ACTION]  ara to send an email to awbancroft about Sound Card Compatibility Testing
User2: ACTION received:   ara to send an email to awbancroft about Sound Card Compatibility Testing
User14: that's better :-)
User19: Otherwise we'd have to discuss that mail.
User19: here
User14: [TOPIC] Selection of new chair
User2: New Topic:  Selection of new chair
User14: So, who wants to be the chair of next meeting?
 * ara sees how people are hiding
User19: I'll be on an island next week, without a computer.
User19: for real
User12: User14 I can do it.
User14: sbeattie, thanks :-)
 * hggdh unhides self
 * charlie-tca unhides too
User14: OK, that was the agenda for today. Any other topics?
User19: User14 The laptop testing wiki thing was discussed before I remembered this meeting and joined the channel?
User12: I assume for next week, we'll keep it at 1700 UTC, unless we get resolution on the dubuntu conflict?
User12: err, edubuntu conflict?
User15: User12 I think this is a good approach
User14: sbeattie, +1
User19: agreed
User14: qense, no, the person in charge of that work (primes2h) is not here
User14: qense, we will get back to that one in following meetings
User19: ok
User14: Anything else?
User14: going once...
User14: going twice...
User14: OK, I think we can finish the meeting
User14: #endmeeting
User2: Meeting finished at 12:50.
User15: thank you, ara
User12: thanks ara!
User14: Thanks everyone!
User19: thank you ara!
User16: Thanks all
User21: thanks ara, that was a much larger meeting than I've seen previously
User21: thanks all too
 * stgraber waves
 * bencrisford waves back
 * highvoltage jumps in the channel and makes big waves
User22: Hi all
User23: User22 hello :)
User24: everyone feeling good?
User23: the weather is getting brighter, and despite that im naturally happy today for some reason!  im feeling great! :)
User22: Yup, everything fine here
User24: great.
User24: let's jump right in
User24: here are the blueprints from UDS:
User24: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-maverick-edubuntu-community
User25: a good > 30C outside here, /me loves AC
User24: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-maverick-edubuntu-ubiquity
User24: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-maverick-edubuntu-packages
User24: last week I did some triaging on what specs actually need to be written from them
User24: but I keep changing my mind and keep going into a panic for no good reason :)
User24: I'm just going to past some of it here and perhaps we can discuss it
User24: and- maybe we can get some more people involved in doing it
User24: *  NEEDS-SPEC: Edubuntu advocacy- Forums for teachers on website, Facebook group?, feed on website for teacher blogs, create mailing list for educators (discontinue ubuntu-education), some kind of forum for teachers to provide edu-tips
User24: * COUNCIL: Approve LP Team changes
User24: * NEEDS-SPEC: Edubuntu Stable PPA
User24: * NEEDS-SPEC: Edubuntu Menu Editor Improvements, get feedback from our users (guadalinex-edu menus) (mgariepy?)
User24: so that's from the edubuntu-community blueprint
User24: I'm not sure if we'd have to retro-actively make a new blueprint for each spec since you can only link one spec to a blueprint
User24: (argh)
User24: I'm thinking that we probably need more of a to-do list than specs for our community items
User24: any thoughts?
User26: Present
User24: yay
User25: hey sbalneav
User24: User26 we missed you
User24: *crickets.wav*
User22: User24 we also need a wiki page for the live ltsp
User22: Lots of people asked for that
User22: And I really like the idea of the stable ppa
User24: User22 I noticed, I answered some questions on some bugs about it and also the questions on the list.
User22: (and also an accompanying testing ppa)
User26: Yeah, the live ltsp seems to work, but I've seen some issues with people not being able to INSTALL ltsp
User26: from the dvd.  Do we know what's up with that?
User24: so, we currently have a Roadmap page on the wiki that we could probably use more, should I make our community items to-do list items there?
User24: User26 we haven't received a bug report / list message about it yet
User24: User26 could you perhaps ellaborate on some of those issues?
User26: I'll dig up the list messages I've seen.
User24: ah, on the LTSP list?
User26: yeah
User26: I think that's where they were
User24: I haven't been paying good attention there lately so I'll go look
User24: I remember seeing one message there from someone who tried to start ltsp-live on two different interfaces, but iirc that was all
User24: User26 does LTSP upstream use LP for bugs or its own bug tracker?
User24: (it uses LP, I know that, sorry my brain doesn't want to brain)
User26: heh
User26: My brain *never* brains.
User26: so don't feel bad.
User24: User26 would be great to encourage them to file a bug on it if they want to, I get the LTSP bugmail at least
User26: ok, will do.
User26: anyone had a chance yet to dig into the updated xexit in my ppa?
User24: ok, about those blueprints and specifications, I'll send a summary to the list then for feedback, doesn't seem like anyone wants to discuss it tonight :)
User24: User26 how does it work?
User24: you say it's a lot lighter than the older tools that did the same thing?
User26: right.
User26: it's a small C program that basically installs an X onerror handler
User26: as well as launch a thread to keep pinging the display.
User26: when the display dissapears, it runs a script.
User26: which just searches /etc/Xexit.d, and executes any scripts in there (run-parts type script).
User26: I can log in with a thin client, yank the power cord, and all user processes dissapear in 15 seconds.
User26: alkis was looking for something better than gnome-watchdog, so I coded this up.
User25: interesting, the ltsp-cluster accountmanager does the job for us, but it's clearly a nice thing for erveryone else ;)
User24: oh cool, I like that you can put scripts in there
User22: User26 it'd be nice to have this upstream, maybe as an lts.conf option...
User25: User22 that's to be run on the server side, so unless upstream changed it's ideas, it shouldn't be part of LTSP as we try not to require any additional component on the server side (other than SSH that's)
User24: I was actually going to ask whether it's suitable for including in Edubuntu, but if it would go into upstream that would probably be simpler
User26: User22 Well, the only reason I *WOULDN'T* want it as part of LTSP is that even on the console, gnome/kde leave "droppings" around when you log out.
User26: so I'm thinking it might be handy as a standalone package, but I'm easy.
User26: and cheap.
User24: User26 if you have some time over the next few weeks we could get it into universe
User24: User26 you've already had lots of packaging practise so it shouldn't take too long :)
User24: User25 I guess something like xexit could fall under edubuntu-dev once it's in the archives? then sbalneav would be able to update it quite easily
User22: ...and we could backport it to the edubuntu stable ppa for lucid ;)
User25: I guess so
User24: that would be a nice package for the stable ppa indeed
 * Lns rushes in
User24: User26 I checked the ltsp list and couldn't find those messages, but if you do please pass them along
User27: User26 sounds like an awesome addition :) thank you! User25 how does the ltsp-cluster accountmanager differ in its operation from xexit?
 * alkisg notes that it'd be nice if some of the cluster functionality could also work in single server environments...
User24: User26 the ltsp installer currently is quite simplistic, for the one that's going to be embedded in ubiquity we'd ideally want options to configure networking nicely and things like bridging and bonding. not 100% sure exactly how nice we'll get this for maverick, but I do think we can make some good progress at least
User24: slow meeting tonight :)
User23: yep
User23: :)
User24: well, is there anything else or shall we adjourne and continue anything else in #edubuntu?
User27: what's wrong with adding functionality server-side for stuff like xexit? Sounds like a totally sane addition to me.
User27: User24 just that from me ;)
User24: User27 well, if adding it to upstream ltsp would break stuff like ltsp-cluster or other scripts and implementations, then it might not be a great idea :)
User24: User27 I suppose making it easy to install would be a good start and then we take it from there
User23: User24 I don't have anything, unless anyone has any ideas regarding marketing materials
User27: oh. yeah :) that makes sense. Of course I'm sure if it's a separate package it can just do the whole remove-other-package-thingie that apt likes to do with conflicts
User27: User23 what specifically regarding marketing materials? WHat's the status on marketing campaign?
User23: User27 just general marketing stuff, because we dont have any, and I think its important that we put some out there
User23: leaflets to locos, web buttons to people who will wear them on their site, and other stuff.. :)
User27: I have some material from a while ago
User27: i dunno if it'll help but I can show it to you
User23: User27 that would be awesome :)
User23: there is a bzr branch for the edubuntu-advocacy materials for sharing marketing stuff
User23: edubuntu advocacy team*
User27: oh nice. well we can chat in #edubuntu about that
User24: we also decided to use the ubuntu-education list for teachers, etc using ubuntu and edubuntu
User24: the list used to be abandoned but Charles Profitt picked it up
User27: honestly sounds like a lot of different places to go for such a small project...jmho!
User27: do we need that many different facilities?
User27: User23 http://logicalnetworking.net/other/edubuntuposter.png is one thing I had made a while back
User27: http://logicalnetworking.net/other/TuxInSchoolComputerLab.png - another one
User24: User27 it is, although the need for a platform for non-technical users has been strongly identified
User27: User24 platform meaning what, a listserv?
User23: User27 Loving the posters!  Nice work :)
User22: Lns, those are cool!
User27: User23 also, a shirt I have a few left of and could make more if people want them: http://logicalnetworking.net/other/school-oss-shirt-front.jpg  and http://logicalnetworking.net/other/school-oss-shirt-back.jpg
User27: See, I'm good at the visionary stuff..not so good at the programming part ;)
User23: those are cool! :)
User24: User27 listserv, web forums, facebook... it's going to take some experimenting. we basically have to use what educators use, there's a few suggestions that seem good so we'll have to use a bit of trial and error
User27: User24 as far as exposure, all of the above is a good idea :) facebook, youtube, even myspace (!!), twitter too
User24: User27 cute :)
User27: besides the normal list/irc/etc
User24: User27 yeah videos are a great way to show off things
User27: I have a t-shirt maker in my office building that does it for way cheap. So if you guys have suggestions or artwork you want on shirts, hit me up.
User27: You guys have all seen the video i did for ltsp in education right?
User23: User27 nope
User22: Yup
User27: it's not edubuntu specific, kinda a marketing-y thing for my company but it can be used for whatever. I tried to make it as non-LNS specific as possible
User23: I love the youtube+twitter ideas :)!
User27: k for those who haven't seen it: www.youtube.com/logicalnetworkingnet
User27: it's the first/featured video on that chan
User27: yeah - twitter would be great to put a feed on front edubuntu.org page
User27: makes the site more "live"
User24: well, that's it for this week's meeting time, thanks for attending!
User27: thanks highvoltage et al.
User22: Thanks & bye all
User24: User27 the new site will have that, I'll have to put some more pressure on Hedgemadge, she's really great but has been way too busy recently
User25: thanks
User24: User27 and I kind of feel bad for having to put more pressure on her, but we really need to replace our old site
User27: User24 is she in the middle of it all?
User23: User27 love the video :)
User27: User23 hehe thanks
User27: the guy who produced it actually used to work at google =)
User27: one of the benefits of living near silicon valley
User24: User27 yep, she needs to tar up the db and some other files she has that's not in bzr
User27: that's cool
User27: ok i'm gonna hop on #edubuntu
User23: as am I
User23: :)
 * highvoltage 3
User23: User24 you forgot the gong!
User24: *GONG*
User27: BWONG...love that china style percussion!
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