User1: is there a way to change the session to log into from the console (ie when no keyboard available when on login screen)
User1: nm, found it
User2: Bonjour
User3: good morning
User2: bonjour didrocks
User3: guten morgen pitti. How are you?
User2: I'm great, thanks! how are you?
User2: hmm, http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/quantal-fixes-report.html
User2: User3 missing the old days of uploading unity? :-)
 * pitti has to watch out for seb128 now
User3: User2 right, I'm mostly sponsoring now
User3: well ratherâ¦
User3: fixing and then sponsoring
 * pitti hugs didrocks
User3: User2 it's weird
User3: User2 even timo has 3
User2: (I again forgot what this means in French)
User3: I think this doesn't count -proposed
User2: no, it doesn't
User4: User2 I've got a colord upload for you soon :)
User2: User4 ack; updating sid chroot
User3: User2 yeah, so as I upload most of my things to -proposed :p
 * pitti pings bdmurray about that
User2: User3 see, I win by not playing it safe!
User2: . o O { way to go for a QA guy }
User3: User2 that's totally unfair :)
 * didrocks hugs pitti
 * pitti takes the "cheater" penalty card
User3: heh ;)
User2: well, I don't care about -proposed for arch:all packages
User2: but I also didn't use it for things like gvfs, where it would make sense to some degree (no arch skew uninstallability, though)
User2: but oh well, in a cycle or so everything will go there anyway
User3: yep ;)
User2: User4 FAOD, should I upload colord to Debian already, or will you ping me once it's ready?
User4: User2 I'll ping you once it's ready.
User4: User2 There's an extra fix on top of the -4 I've got tagged that should be uploaded.
User2: User4 ack, thanks
User5: duflu, smspillaz: Hi :) Have you seen https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge-fix1006429-fix1006434-fix1063171/+merge/128745 ?
User6: User5 No, I'm probably not reviewing anything today
User5: duflu, smspillaz: It is a one line fix disallowing to select the "Fade to Desktop" and "Show Desktop" plug-ins if Unity runs
User5: because Unity got its own code to show the desktop...
User5: I think it is a quite nice solution to multiple bugs
User7: Sweetshark, libreoffice made it to quantal proper (built on all arches), well done! ;-)
User8: hi
User8: what would be the best way to remove a repository from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ from code?
User8: I have added the repo via aptdaemon's AddRepository, but there's not RemoveRepository
User9: rodrigo_, How fast do you need the API?
User8: glatzor, like for today :)
User9: rodrigo_, call --system --dest com.ubuntu.SoftwareProperties --path / com.ubuntu.SoftwareProperties.RemoveSource "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com precise main"
User8: glatzor, oh cool!
User8: glatzor, but, your question was because you're planning to add it to aptdaemon's dbus interface?
User7: rodrigo_, you can probably system("apt-add-repository -r ...") as well :p
User8: seb128, yes, was going to do that if there wasn't a better alternative
User9: rodrigo_, some years ago I wanted to port software-properties to aptdaemon (when it was still using sudo at those times). But somebody was faster by adding a Dbus interface to software-properties itself
User8: calling the dbus method glatzor mentions should be better
User8: glatzor, it would make a lot of sense in aptdaemon's, as that is used on debian also, right?
User9: rodrigo_, no. Debian moved away from the whole Ubuntu python-apt based stack
User9: rodrigo_, they are using packagekit now - with tons of regressions
User8: glatzor, ah
User9: rodrigo_, now they don't even have a gui to remove source :)
User8: debian users do it on the terminal, you know :D
User9: rodrigo_, thy also replaced software-center by gpk-application
User9: rodrigo_, that is true. Even the maitainers of the gnome desktop package don't update theirs systems with the packagekit updater
User9: so it was kind of non decision
User8: :D
User9: rodrigo_, It would make sense to promote a PackageKit method to disable repos
User8: glatzor, yes
User9: rodrigo_, where do you need this method?
User8: glatzor, it's an app I'm writing, an installer
User9: rodrigo_, you are not allowed to talk about it?
User8: glatzor, I think I am, but let me check 1st :)
User8: glatzor, no, I'm not sorry :(
User9: rodrigo_, your secret thing will use aptdaemon for installing?
User8: yes
User2: salut seb128, Ã§a va?
User2: hey rodrigo_, how are things?
User8: hey pitti
 * pitti waves Servus to glatzor
User8: pitti, I'm fine, and you?
User9: juhu pitti !
User2: User8 I'm great, thanks!
User9: pitti, your a getting a real Bavarian!
User9: you are
User2: aaargh nooo aargh
User2: (1) I look crap in Lederhosen, (2) I never went to the Wiesn, (3) I can't hide my accent, (4) I don't vote CSU :)
User9: power through assimilation! my girlfriend said "grÃ¼Ã gott" by accident at her last visit at "home" in Brandenburg, too
User2: User9 I'm fine with "Servus", but I refuse to say "grÃ¼Ã gott"; I'm an atheist, and it would feel like Blasphemy
User9: pitti, you cannot be an atheist by living in Bavaria. You have to believe in god if you see the Bavarian beauty!
User8: what does "grÃ¼Ã gott" mean?
User9: pitti, Der liebe Herr gott is all around :)
User2: User8 literally, "greet god"
User9: rodrigo_, it is Bavarian and is a short form of "dem gott zu grÃ¼Ãe"
User2: User8 but it's really the Bavarian way of saying "Good day" or "hello"
User8: ah, it's probably the same reason why we say "adios" for bye in spanish, which would mean "to god"
User8: lots of catholic roots in Europe :D
User2: User9 fun thing is, when I'm in a Biergarten or pub with some friends here, we are usually some 6 or 7 people from East Germany and one West German guy from Oldenburg :)
User2: User8 oooh - "a dios", that makes sense
User2: languages are fun
User8: pitti, yeah, not sure if that's the root, but I guess so
User2: in fact, just two days ago I had this enlightenment in the kitchen where I suddenly realized why the plural of "Monsieur" is "Messieurs" and what it actually means
User2: thanks to the couple of French lessons I've done now :)
User8: glatzor, s-p's RemoveSource should work, right?
User8: so if I'm getting weird python backtraces, is because I'm making the call incorrectly, right? :)
 * glatzor waves mvo
User9: rodrigo_, indeed. there aren't any security checks in the software-properties dbus API :/
User9: rodrigo_, It is just a way to access the internal API of software-properties
User10: hey glatzor
User9: rodrigo_, you have to use the complete line (including the comment)
User8: glatzor, ah, that's it, the comment
User9: rodrigo_, take a abowen@example.org()
User9: rodrigo_, you have to match the return value of this method
User4: User2 Please let slip the dogs of colord; the debian/0.1.21-4 tag should be good to go.
User2: User4 ack, doing now
User11: seb128, is it known that gvfsd-http leaks quite a bit?
User11: miso      6153  0.0  8.7 1588040 352324 ?      Sl   Oct08   0:23 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-http --spawner :1.7 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/1
User11: yes, that's 350mb resident memory
User7: re
User7: pitti, salut
User7: pitti, sorry I was out for some errands and I got lunch on the way as well
User7: pitti, wie gehts?
User7: mhr3, not known I think no...
User2: User7 gut, danke! just back from lunch
User7: pitti, same here ;-)
User2: User7 now back to writing g-s-d power tests
User7: g-s-d tests \o/
User2: User7 fun thing is, the very first test I tried to write uncovered a bug
User7: oh, nice
User2: suspending on the configured idle timeout doesn't actually work
User2: I was pulling my hair out to see what's wrong with my test
User2: User7 it's fixed in upstream master, but not in 3.4.2 yet
User7: seems like a bug worth trying to fix for release?
User2: oh, right, we have 3.4
User2: it's fixed in 3.6
User2: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668703
User12: Gnome bug 668703 in power "Blanking only works right when gsettings align" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
User2: not exactly trivial patch, though
User13: morning'
User7: pitti, could be better for SRU then...
User7: cyphermox, hey, how are you?
User13: User7 good, you?
User7: cyphermox, good as well, thanks ;-)
User13: time to get started on srus
User13: or finished, rather
User7: nah
User7: SRUs are never finished ;-)
User13: I mean the ones that were started ;)
User13: and my stuff is mostly bug free, thank you very much, so it does tend towards being finished at one point :P
User13: (i wish)
User7: lol
User14: i 'accidentally' clicked suspend on my desktop. Then upon resume it failed miserably. I have a bug report being automagically generated with title [Gateway GT5628] suspend/resume failure [non-free: nvidia]. Since it's a desktop and suspend/resume will this report be beneficial ?
User15: User14 yes.
User15: User14 the fact that you are offered suspend, implies that Ubuntu thinks it will work.
User15: User14 if it doesn't we either need to fix it, or blacklist that hw to not show suspend.
User16: User7 thanks for well done, but ... :/
User16: User7 bug 1064962 is meh. Can be an unity issue just as well though ...
User12: Launchpad bug 1064962 in unity "Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064962
User7: Sweetshark, is there still an issue?
User7: arg
User16: opened one hour ago.
User7: Sweetshark, it's not specific to nautilus
User7: Sweetshark, doing "lowrite $document" on a command line has the same issue
User7: that sucks :-(
User16: User7 oh, really? that always works here.
User7: Sweetshark, lowrite some.doc has no menu here
User16: User7 it sometimes takes half a second for the appindicator to realize it, but it is there here.
User7: Sweetshark, in fact it works if I focus lo out and back in
User16: User7 well, than it is pretty certain a unity issue and not a LibreOffice one as LibreOffice doesnt do anything on focus/unfocus.
User17: Guys, what happend to Empathy? Accounts are only configurable in 'Online Accounts' ? There I can select telepathy-haze backends. And the MSN Live backend is just ****, it doesn't even show correct email addresses for my contacts :(
User14: xnox bug #1065023 gotta run to work, have a good day everyone
User12: Launchpad bug 1065023 in linux "[Gateway GT5628] suspend/resume failure [non-free: nvidia]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065023
User18: User17 does running empathy-accounts manually still work?
User16: User7 can we scramble someone from unity to look at why it doesnt realize the menu is there without refocus sometimes?
User7: dupondje, is that under unity or GNOME (gnome-online-account or ubuntu-online-account)
User18: User17 do you have account-plugin-windows-live installed?
User7: Sweetshark, you can try, but since no other app is having the issue I doubt it's on their side
User17: User18 empathy-accounts works indeed. And its Unity
User17: ii  account-plugin-windows-live               0.8-0ubuntu1                              amd64        GNOME Control Center account plugin for single signon - windows live
User17: yep
User18: empathy-accounts isn't exposed in Empathy's menus now though :(
User7: well, the online account stuff should work
User16: User7 could you check if with d-feet if there is a menu exported for the window even when you dont see one?
User7: Sweetshark, you can't reproduce the issue?
User17: User18 indeed, it only shows 'Online Accounts' which doesn't have telepathy-haze types
User7: Sweetshark, well, when I double click on a .doc in nautilus I never get a menu, not even after focus out and in
User7: dupondje, what do you call "telepathy-haze types"?
User17: pidgin-sipe, sametime etc
User17: account types that telepathy-haze exposes
User19: can anyone help with.. perl: warning: Setting locale failed,  newest desktop build, i had this before and didnt matter what i did, new install so i dont want to mess it up more. What should i change and where?
User7: dupondje, telepathy-haze is the libpiding glue right? it expose msn, etc as well (e.g everything pidgin support)
User17: User7 indeed
User7: dupondje, but msn should work without haze
User17: User7 it works yes, gives me some abowen@example.org as emailaddress for all my contacts
User17: isn't really cool ... :)
User7: dupondje, what was it giving your before?
User7: xclaesse, ^ is that a known issue?
User17: the email of the contact ?
User7: dupondje, well, that's their id no?
User17: abowen@example.org
User17: for example
User17: not really their @live.com or @hotmail.com address ..
User7: dupondje, let's wait for xclaesse
 * xclaesse reads backlog
User20: dupondje, it does MSN via XMPP
User20: it does not use reverse engineered protocol from pidgin (tp-haze) anymore
User17: chatting works, but the address shown for the accounts is extremely annoying
User17: got 2 persons online with same nickname
User20: because MS are trying to use std protocol, we should encourage them that way, IMO
User20: dupondje, it's the same as facebook
User20: also, their XMPP service is the only legal and officially supported way for third party apps to connect to MSN
User20: even if they never really complained against pidgin
User17: User20 except that facebook has no nicknames? but always uses contacts full name?
User17: which is not the case on MSN, which makes it really annoying if 2 contacts have same nickname
User20: dupondje, right.... nicknames are so 90s teenagers, though
User17: if they only use their prename as nickname, yea :)
User17: then you need to trial & error to contact the correct person
User20: that's a social problem, not technical :/
User20: but I understand it can be annoying
User20: but who on earth still use MSN, when you have facebook chat?
 * Laney â
User17: well with telepathy-haze, it showed the contacts emailaddress (which is unique), to find out who is who. but thats impossible now
 * seb128 as well
User17: and I guess alot of people still use msn indeed
User7: but I'm anti-facebook on the principle that they have too many users and too much info and not enough respect for private life
User20: In my entourage android users uses gtalk and the rest facebook. I haven't seen anyone online on MSN for years :(
User20: s/:(/\o// actually :p
User17: for example @ work we use msn, so I use it daily
User17: now 5 collegues have same prename
User20: but that really depends on the friend circles I guess
User17: so i'm **** :)
User7: dupondje, get them to fix their nicknames ;-)
User20: dupondje, tell them to be professional and use their real name? :/
User17: but its technically not possible to not use the id, but their emailaddress?
User20: with XMPP, no
User20: that's what the server gives us
User20: and with Ubuntu's online account you cannot use tp-haze for MSN anymore
User17: to bad :) cause XMPP is good step for MSN indeed
User15: User20 msn had ~ 40% market share in 2011, don't think it plunged that quick.
User20: well, maybe you can by running empathy-account in a terminal
User17: well you can with empathy-account, but thats not straight forward for not really technical persons :)
User20: xnox, yeah totally depends on your entourage
User7: xnox, I doubt it's true
User20: here it went from 100% to 0% in something like 1 year
User7: xnox, might be true in a particular country though
User15: User20 not sure what protocol ms is using for the corporate server msn.
User15: User7 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Live-Messenger-Is-King-among-IM-Clients-Worldwide-206005.shtml
User17: User15 Lync/Office Communicator?
User15: User7 User20 and I hope that does not count skype users.
User15: User17 yeah. is it same protocol as msn? (it wasn't in the past...)
User17: User15 nope, its a SIP fork
 * xnox ...
User17: supported by pidgin-sipe btw :)
User20: xnox, wondering how they count that, btw
User20: how could it count msg sent via gmail/facebook web page?
User16: User7 still no trouble running it from the commandline, but issues when starting directly from nautilus. I saw an empty menu now once for that and it is also empty on dbus, so there is stuff that needs to be fixed on the libreoffice side.
User15: i have faceboot chat & what'sapp on my phone and irc on the desktop and faceboot via web on the desktop. i don't use gtalk anymore.
User7: Sweetshark, one thing nautilus might be differently is its environment
User7: Sweetshark, like it will have DISPLAY=:0.0 rather than =:0, that creates some issue with other apps single instance stuff so I mention it in case that's useful
User16: User7 It might be a regression from antonios fix for the menubar in gnome-classic. IIRC I had explicitlty set the menubar to always return true to isVisible() calls, and toni changed that, thus LO might thing it doesnt need to populate an invisible menu ....
User17: User20 btw, removing contacts on msn seems to be broken here, same as adding contacts in a group
User20: dupondje, removing contacts is not supported by server
User20: groups, I don't kno
User20: know
User20: btw, for adding contacts, you need tp-gabble 0.17.something which ubuntu quantal did not package
User17: so adding/removing and put contacts in groups is not supported?
User20: because there is a special trick to convert the email address to the xmpp id to make possible to add the contact
User17: :(
User20: I think you can manage you contact list on their website, no?
User17: User20 true, but thats kinda a regression for people adding MSN on quantal, and see all those things are broken
User20: that's the price to pay for using a service MS officially support
User20: pidgin/tp-haze can stop working at any moment
User20: MS just have a button to press
User20: and they did it repeatedly already
User17: yea I know, its *** :)
User17: messages not receiving etc
User17: but I guess we should document it a bit? Else people will start creating bugs about it I guess
User20: yep some documentation would be nice...
User17: btw, alot of changes in telepathy-gabble? maby its worth to get in Quantal?
User20: btw, MS devs are pretty responsive on http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/messengerconnect/threads
User20: if you wish to ask questions
User20: dupondje, the only addition in tp-gabble is the hack to add MSN contacts
User20: we did not make a stable branch for GNOME 3.6 though
User20: I guess it's too late for quantal anyway
User17: if thats the only change, it wont hurt to get it into quantal ?
User20: but it's not me to decide, I'm upstream dev, not ubuntu dev
User17: User7 ^
User21: ok, my head hurts
User21: exercise time
User22: mvo, I triggered the "untrusted source" webapps error with a debug aptd running, and I didn't see any output in the aptd console
User10: User22 no output there at all?
User10: User22 or just nothing that looks interessting?
User22: mvo, no output at all when I clicked on "install" for the webapp and a password dialog came up
User16: User7 hmmm, it seems a session restart fixes this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1064962/comments/5
User12: Ubuntu bug 1064962 in libreoffice "Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed]
User16: User7 well, the unfocus/focus stuff is still there, but not the nonworking menu.
User20: dupondje, interesting facebook VS msn chat stat: GOA has 8802 monthly facebook users and 9717 monthly msg users
User20: s/msg/msn/
User10: User22 hm, that is confusing
User10: User22 there is no real packagekit installed/running on your box by chance?
User22: mvo, there is
User10: User22 aha, I suspect that is actually the problem, webapps is using the real PK api  so if there is a PK installed it will take precedence
User22: mvo, and it doesn't have the magic no-password patch...
User10: User22 exactly :/
User10: User22 it still should not have a scary message just the normal "do you really want to install" one
User22: mvo, fair.  It's just universe
User16: User7 so, after restarting my session the menu (if there) always works. However, it might need an unfocus/refocus to appear. _That_ is highly likely a unity issue.
User16: ping to unity guys: Can you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1064962 ? It seems the window property are good, the menu on the dbus is good, yet the indicator doesnt show anything. Do you have any hints?
User12: Ubuntu bug 1064962 in libreoffice "Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed]
User16: (well, it does show after refocus)
User3: User23 ^
 * sil2100 looks
User23: tedg: maybe you could take a look? ^
User24: pitti, I see from the logs that you've already taken care of building the final language packs?
User2: User24 err, no? that was still cron'ed
User2: User24 or not my doing
User2: User24 on whose plate is that, you or me?
User24: pitti, ah, I saw the log for today and thought it was for the full langpack. I told skaet I could look into it, but might need some help from you if something went wrong. So the full export is there and I will start building the langpacks
User2: User24 thanks!
User2: User24 I just noticed a gazillion rejected langpacks in my inbox today
User2: User24 presumably the release team rejected the updated ones from the cronjob
User2: User24 I disabled the quantal cron job now
User24: pitti, ok
User18: User24 how does the export work? I think ubuntu-docs was a few hours late for the deadline but perhaps it was still included?
User24: jbicha, pitti can confirm, but I think it should be ok, as it's langpack-o-matic, which is going to run now, what fetches the ubuntu-docs translations
User2: User18 right, this is not related to the LP export
User2: User18 the final ubuntu-docs needs to be _built_ (not even published) before starting langpack-o-matic, that's it
User2: lp-o-m grabs the tarballs straight out of the build librarian
User18: langpack-o-matic should have been ran yesterday though, right?
User24: jbicha, it used to take ~24h for the langpacks to be generated, so langpack build is usually started the day after. The latest ones have taken much less, and the export yesterday was actually ready in the afternoon, but I didn't realise
User2: well, it's Wednesday, if we get them built tomorrow or Friday that should suffice?
User25: skaet was hoping for candidates tomorrow
 * didrocks waves good evening
User2: bonsoir tout le monde!
User14: window buttons now on right again. and I just got used to them being on the left. :P
User18: User14 what desktop are you running? do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
User14: jbicha, thanks. IDK how this laptop didn't have ubuntu-desktop
User14: fixed ;)
User26: User7 and idea why the javascript core libraries for webkit have no symbols?
User26: s/and/any/
User7: micahg, no...
User26: hrm, no I have to figure out if the missing symbols moved to the new library or were lost...ok
User26: *now
User27: desrt: ping?
User28: kenvandine, around?
User28: kenvandine, wondering if your Vala knowledge might know the answer to bug 1065310
User12: Launchpad bug 1065310 in libappindicator "Can't inherit from AppIndicator.Indicator in Vala" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065310
User21: hmmm, don't you just hate it when you finish work at 0:20, and then realize there's a kitchen full of washing up to do before you can go to bed :/
User29: User21 Yeah I know the feeling.
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