User1: anyone know if someones gonna bring kde1 to kubuntu?
User2: Hi, I am having trouble switching to intel from nvidia-367 (using prime-select intel). Switching to intel gives black screen. Running kubuntu 16.10
User2: lspci output https://paste.kde.org/pdqw755ig
User3: User2 please ask on #ubuntu -- it's a bigger channel, and not a kubuntu difficulty in particular
User2: User3 okay
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User5: if I am running Trusty, what happens if I update my repos to Xenial and not specifically do a dist-upgrade?...
User5: (I'm asking to get some idea of how this affects WSL ... because it doesn't have a kernel etc... at least not in the filesystem, it probably runs a s a part of the lsxx program on the windows side somehow... )
User5: so upgrading whatever part of it are ubuntu packages to = the Xenial ones does that in effect upgrade to Xenial from Trusty or not?
User6: G'morning.
User6: How do I stop the screen from locking due to inactivity?
User6: I though I just untick certain boxes in the energy saving setting but this stupid machine still locks the screen shortly after inactivity
User6: Just reporting that Kubuntu 16.10 will start with 1GB
User6: but it is not much fun besides shells and one Konversation
User6: I getting 2GB more to this as I figure out some money
User7: Hi all.  Dunno if I'm blind, but I can't find the system requirements listed for 16.10.  Can someone share this?  Thanks
User3: User5 that's a rather dangerous way to upgrade
User3: apt/dpkg are there to keep your system safe
User3: User6 search for lock in krunner
User3: alt+f2
User5: who said anything about not using apt/dpkg?
User3: or alt+space
User3: well, you would be circumventing it
User5: no
User5: if you update trusty to xenial in the repos, upgrades still run through apt/dpkg
User5: the dist-upgrade uses apt/dpkg too
User3: I've done an upgrade that way one: to get to the next version when it's just been open for development
User5: (it might do its own other stuff as well... part of that process is exactly that, updating the repos)
User3: in other words, a mere change of names
User8: hi
User3: yes, but there are built-in checks
User5: probably yes
User8: how can I update to kubuntu 16.10 from terminal.
User8: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YakketyUpgrades/Kubuntu
User3: you would be removing part of those checks
User5: it also knows the list of packages to add/remove
User8: ^ the above link uses discover
User8: sudo apt dist-upgrade does nothing.
User5: its not just apt
User3: User5 also, that is an upgrade from Plasma 4 to Plasma 5
User5: its apt-get paranoiddabhi
User3: it's really better to do a backup and fresh install
User8: ForgeAus, ?
User3: User8 what are you running now?
User8: kubuntu 16.04
User8: ForgeAus, apt also works :)
User3: User8 step one, fully update
User8: valorie, yeah done.
User3: `sudo ap update && sudo apt dist-upgrade`
User3: ok
User3: then you need to uncheck the LTS in muon package manager or discover
User3: I don't know an easy way to do that via the commandline since it involves editing a file
User3: !rescue | fomalhaut-XII
User9: fomalhaut-XII: If your system fails to boot normally, it may be useful to boot it into recovery mode. For instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
User3: oops
User5: fomalhaut - I guess you could check out PuppyLinux ...
User8: valorie, changing the discover somehow doesn't reflect in the cmdline.
User8: can you tell what config file to edit.
User3: User8 then do `sudo do-release-upgrade`
User5: PuppyLinux is not always an ubuntu-based system but it might be enough to get you out of trouble or at least read your drives...
User5: should be able to
User5: but I'm not about to guarantee it, you might need some more research there but I doubt that will be a problem
User8: is there any news on kde5.8 in kubuntu?
User5: PCLinuxOS had a minime too but I don't know if it was smaller than 200mb
User5: and its an even more foreign system than puppy
User8: will it available in kubuntu 16.10 or 16.04 sometime soon?
User3: User8 we're planning it as soon as possible
User3: for 16.10 at lease
User3: least
User8: valorie, cool
User3: since there is a new enough Qt version
User5: valorie, note: plasma5 is one of the reasons I was thinking of going Xenial
User3: unsure if they will update the LTS with a new enough Qt
User3: that's not up to us
User8: valorie, but how does neon do it with 16.04?
User8: don't hey have the same old qt
User8: hey-they
User3: User8 they don't have to care about Ubuntu
User8: valorie, why?
User3: because they only use the Ubuntu core -- they are not a flavor
User3: fomalhaut-xii_: try https://www.system-rescue-cd.org/SystemRescueCd_Homepage
User8: won't the packages break with qt conflicts?
User3: it's small enough to fit on a CD
User3: User8 they respin everything
User3: qt has nothing to do with the ubuntu base
User8: valorie, sry for lack of info. can you explain the difference btw ubuntu core and ubuntu flavor.
User5: note Valorie the current WSL (or what I think of as lxss) doesn't have dist-upgrade support yet... I think the insider preview of Windows10's version does... so its likely the next full release win10 upgrade will too... (also chroot support) ...
User3: the flavors are unity-desktop, kubuntu, lubuntu, MATE, gnome-desktop, etc.
User5: but currently without that I'm not sure if it can go from Trusty to Xenial ...
User3: all part of the ubuntu community
User3: neon is not part of that
User3: User5 you CAN
User3: I've done it
User5: oh :) ok
User5: so just update the repos then?
User3: however, it is best to back up, and do a fresh install
User5: a fresh install will install trusty
User3: you are likely to break your system that way
User5: with my current version of win10
User5: (I don't have the insider preview)
User3: User5 ? you can download any of the ISOs
User5: and I'm not looking to get it
User8: valorie, ok, but am unsure how that relates to the qt conflict/
User5: I can download an ISO but which one,  and why?
User3: if you want xenial, download that
User3: it is much faster, for starters
User3: a fresh install is fresh
User5: valorie I think you are failing to realize something
User3: User8 Ubuntu uses Qt for unity and for their phone project
User5: I didn't install trusty from an ISO either
User5: it isn't exactly a full Trusty...
User3: they do not want to upgrade Qt as fast as we want it
User3: oh, you are using wubi?
User5: no
User3: wubi afaik is dead
User5: its Windows 10's relatively recent Services for Linux (an ubuntu subsystem built into windows 10)
User3: ah
User5: it doesn't even have a kernel in the filesystem
User3: gotcha
User3: I haven't a clue
User3: !win
User3: um
User8: valorie, but kubuntu doesn't have unity, so why does qt change matter?
User5: which is why it doesn't have dist-upgrade support yet
User3: !ubu-win
User3: huh
User8: valorie, do all flavors have the same versions of packages?
User3: User5 please do a full backup first
User3: User8 yes
User3: there is one archive
User5: I don't mind backing up or not I can redo trusty from scratch with no problem
User5: its Xenial that I'm worried about
User5: I haven't saved any data there or anything anyway
User3: there is a channel
User3: I'm just not sure what it is
User5: I don't think #Interix had a channel
User8: valorie, what are the advantages of kubuntu over neon?
User5: (WSL basically replaced it, because Interix got deprocated)
User5: paranoidabhi stability with the LTS releases for one
User3: #ubuntu-on-windows    is the chan
User5: thx valorie :)
User8: ForgeAus, hmmm.. both have that
User3: User8 we focus on elegance and everything working together
User5: neon has LTS support? oh ok
User3: they focus on getting the latest out the door asap
User5: bbl have fun :_
User8: valorie, can you explain more on it. By working together you mean.
User3: User5 not that I've heard
User3: that is sort of the opposite of what they want to provide
User3: we want you to be able to use any package in the archive, for instance
User3: whether it is from KDE or not
User3: neon provides a small subset of KDE applications
User3: growing, but still small
User3: I think we provide them all
User8: valorie, but we can install them in neon right?
User3: I'm not saying that you can't use neon the same way you use kubuntu
User3: and vice versa
User3: people use kubuntu and build part of their own applications etc.
User3: I used to do that
User3: but we have different focuses
User8: ok from I have understood. Kubuntu offers larger kde packages and they are better tested to work together?
User3: yes, certainly
User3: I've been testing Yakkety for six months
User3: as have quite a few others
User3: neon is created in order to test stuff
User8: Are there other advantages outside of kde packages as well?
User3: I guess that depends on whether or not you consider the ubuntu community an advantage
User3: I do
User8: valorie, can you explain more on that please.
User3: for instance, at the beginning of next month, I'll be sharing a table at a local FOSS show (SeaGL) with other ubuntu community members
User3: Ubuntu sends us a convention kit with swag to give away
User3: is paying for our hotel
User3: etc.
User3: the community sent me to Akademy this summer for our Kubuntu meeting there
User3: it's great
User8: kubuntu xenial use lower qt than kde neon xenial. Now I install some package that requires qt in both. How does the package know which qt I have. Will fail in kde-neon vs kubuntu?
User3: that depends
User3: maybe
User8: valorie, if possible can you please explain more. Sry I am a newbie
User3: I don't know
User3: I've not had a chance to install KDE neon yet
User3: and I would never mix packages like that
User3: I'd rather run one or the other in a VM
User8: I am saying that when I install packages in kubuntu. The packages are meant to work with the given xenial versions for dependencies?
User3: every version has their own packages
User8: In neon, if you change the qt, the new packages to be installed won't work. Because they would assume because I am using xenial I would have old qt.
User3: well, the supported ones
User3: older
User3: not OLD
User8: yes sry older qt
User8: so kde-neon+testing+more-packages(kde and others)=kubuntu
User3: User8 neon is always built on an LTS base
User3: on Kubuntu you can stay on the LTS and get backports and updates, OR upgrade once every six months
User8: valorie, can't we get the backports in neon as well?
User3: what would be the point?
User3: updates in neon are from git for the devel spin, or latest releases for user
User8: valorie, but backports isn't limited to the desktop, it may include other thing as well. Please correct me if I am wrong.
User3: perhaps they include ubuntu-backports
User3: dunno
User3: they give you fresh frameworks and fresh plasma as well as fresh apps
User10: User8 as You know, Neon uses a much new Qt that they built themselves and supply. *most* KDE/QT application are fine with a newer QT, but some specifically require the ABI of an earlier version
User10: that means that Neon Qt breaks some things in the ubuntu archive. some they rebuild in their own repos. many they don't bother with
User10: as they are not core KDE things, Neon can choose to not care that some things break. kubuntu when doing a backport and supplying a new QT DOES have to have concern as to what a new QT would do to non kubuntu packages in the archive
User10: user|1512: what application do you have set to launch?
User8: acheronuk, thanks that makes sense.
User10: user|1512: hmmm... PrntScm launches spectacle here
User10: *PrtScn
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User12: i ! Anyone knows how to see my agendas in the calendar with plasma 5.7? They don't appear in the configuration window (I only see "Holidays")
User13: hello everyone
User14: O/
User13: maybe I'm a bit lame, but I couldn't find a minimal cd download for kubuntu 16.10. is there any?
User13: so called network install cd
User14: Did you look for the Ubuntu one?
User13: Kubuntu
User14: IIRC the Ubuntu minimal iso van Be used to installatie Kubuntu.
User13: aaah
User13: perfect
User13: thank you :)
User14: No problem
User13: cu
User15: FlameReaper-PC: im not 100% sure but i think Plasma 5.8 will land thare after it is in ZZ than YY
User15: User10 ^ can you confirm?
User10: User15 plasma 5.7.5 is staged, but not fully tested. Plasma 5.8 is planned if it can be done once ZZ has it
User10: User15 personally I am somewhat in favour of just skipping 5.7 and doing 5.8 for 16.04, but that is a team decision
User10: FlameReaper-PC: I would hope a few weeks.
User10: FlameReaper-PC: several reasons. we would need an updated QT version, which kubuntu can only do with a GREAT deal of care, so as not to break ubuntu packages
User10: FlameReaper-PC: Yakkety QT transition and therefore plasma/tw was a long time coming, so backports from that get delayed
User10: FlameReaper-PC: we have been a bit shorthanded due to some team members having a life outside kubuntu :p
User10: FlameReaper-PC: and getting yakkety done generally means things like backports go a little put on the back burner
User10: FlameReaper-PC: this is true. for example on plasma 5.8, instead opf rushing 5.8.0 out the door as soon as it is release with lots of new bugs, it's probably better to have 5.8.4 or 5 as an upgrade by which time most nasty bugs will have been squashed
User16: And 5.8.0 would be premature anyway. I am running 5.8.1 and it seems stable enough, but 5.8.2 should be coming soon (tm).
User10: User16 5.8.3 is released in Nov 1st :)
User10: FlameReaper-PC: that is on out list of things that would break with new QT, yes
User10: already have a test build of that against Qt 5.6.1 if I recall
User17: Hey folks
User18: help me ... instal metasploit?
User19: Hello
User18: hi friends
User19: I am trying to install KSuperkey on a fresh install of Kubuntu 16.10. But when I try to set Alt+F1 as application launcher shortcut it just wont accept it
User19: What can I do?
User17: init1, https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/wiki/Nightly-Installers
User18: ok thanks, and how to install and repository kubuntu
User18: how to install metasploit and repository?
User18: iam from indonesian
User11: <J2v1s> Just ask
User15: !ask | user|59898
User9: user|59898: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
User16: Funny we were chatting about this yesterday. I said I could live with Kubuntu on 1GB of RAM on my netbook, but somebody else said it was too painful.
User11: <J2v1s> I have kubuntu running on an Atom netbook with 1GB, however is not the fastest thing in the world
User11: <J2v1s> I would say, try it and see if it meets your needs, if not maybe try with something lighter like lubuntu
User12: Did anyone figured how to display the agendas from Korganizer in the calendar ?
User11: <J2v1s> I think it is, but havent use it in a while
User11: <J2v1s> http://lubuntu.me/, there it started downloading for me
User11: <J2v1s> Guess that what people from the telegram group look like in the irc :)
User20: General question actually, but it's to create a Kubuntu installer USB: what's the best/easiest way nowadays? unetbootin has given me problems in the past.
User20: Let's try just dd...
User11: <J2v1s> There was a better Commander than dd, one that reported the progress
User11: <J2v1s> I dont recall the command, show it in the stackexchange network, however i've read that now dd supports reporting the progress
User21: even with firefox closed and no firefox entries in ps aux, I still see 3 "firefox" processes from the system monitor.  Any idea what they might be and why they don't show up in ps aux?
User22: Hello guys
User22: I have Kubuntu 15.10, but try to upgrade it to Kubuntu 16.10
User22: but it always tell me about 16.04 only
User22: that it possible to upgrae too
User22: what's wrong here?
User23: User22 you can't skip version when upgrading from a non-TLS version
User22: so?
User23: upgrade to 16.04 and then to 16.10
User22: hm... there no other way?
User22: i did change /etc/apt/sources.list to Yakkety Yak
User22: thanks jhunold
User24: hi - I would like to ask a question about backport. I installed kde 5.6 which works fine, but I would like to update to 5.8. It does not do it automatically via ppa
User24: hi did anybody already updated to plasma 5.8 from backport ppa?
User25: I think I have plasma 5.5
User16: The backport PPA does not have Plasma 5.8.
User16: It has Plasma 5.6.5. YY (16.10) has 5.7.5.
User24: okay, but the backport was not updated to 5.8 even for 16.04?
User26: staging ppa ?
User25: WildSoft: As soon as I clean up, 2 seconds later, Dust seems to be everyone with a white glove inspection.
User25: User16 Thanks. I'll just install and upgrade.
User16: User26 I do not think Plasma 5.8 is even in staging yet. There are discussions, but I do not think a plan has been finalized. Step 1 was to resurrect CI.
User26: mparillo, pk, I heard it was already on arch and neon
User26: ok
User26: but I seldom notice much diffeence between plasma versions that use the same number
User26: I have 5.7.5 as all 16.10 users , but the diff between it and 5.6 wasnt much from what I could see
User26: not a fan of breeze, maybe thatÅ the reason :-)
User25: Is there a new version of Calendar System for the panel?
User25: When I click the calendar, I don't see my Appointments && to-do list.
User25: The Calendar from the panel after clicking time stamp.
User27: hello
User25: User27 Goot Morgin.
User25: hello
User27: is there still an issue with connecting modems via usb
User27: or it's already fixed?
User25: I have wi-fi connected via usb.
User27: which version?
User25: User27 I have KDE 16.04 installed. Plasma 5.5.5
User16: Yes, Plasma 5.8.1 has also migrated from Manjaro Unstable to Testing.
User25: It's actually Ubuntu 16.04.
User25: How do I install updated drivers for my new ATI video card to GLX 4.5? It says I have GLX versioin 3?
User25: Do I have to compile drivers for dot.exe video drivers? my window machine.
User25: The ways it's done is that it has to be a match.
User25: Example: Orange && Apple cannot go in the same basket.
User25: I was looking for drivers for my Brand Spank'in New Video Card && everyone is like, well he has to compile it. How would I do that with EXE?
User25: I thought there was package owners. I mean, I used to be a Peer Training, but, I was hoping that package owner on other distros can do a better job.
User25: I just got done taking a break. I actually found apples && oranges mixed in a basket.
User25: If your not supportive for Mr. S. Then Out.
User27: trying to customize kubuntu 16.04
User27: via ubuntu customization kit
User27: have got error Failed to merge X authorization file, error=126
User28: hey gays
User28: i have probleme with teamviwer can you help me
User29: I have this proccess Baloo_file_extr that is always starting and running @ 100% of cpu
User30: can someone help me? my laptop hangs on restart with either (k)ubuntu 16.04.1 and 16.10
User3: viewer|94528: did you verify the ISO?
User3: !md5 | viewer|94528
User9: viewer|94528: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
User3: yes
User31: Hello guys; is there any way to get plasma 5.8 for ubuntu yakkety other than compiling?
User16: User31 You want to help us package it?
User31: how can I do that? :)
User16: If you want to learn packaging, the team is always looking for new developers.
User16: They gather in #kubuntu-devel, but I think they are mostly Europeans and things are getting a bit late now.
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