User1: User2 can I pull in the new xfce4-mixer?
User2: User1 feel free to do it
User1: User2 thanks, will do later this week
User2: (it's not really bugfix only, so I've been too lazy because of the possible paper work)
User1: User2 I think we want it though, right?
User1: I'm guessing we're less likely to have issues with teh 4.8 mixer than the 4.6 one
User2: We already ship the most important bugfixes as patches
User2: but the libxfce4ui port might be interesting (although we won't get rid of libxfcegui4 anytime soon)
User1: User2 I actually don't have the xfce4-mixer anymore after I upgraded to natty, figured being 4.6.x might be part of the reason
 * micahg wants to get rid of the gnome-media stuff
User2: User1 mmh, what do you mean?
User1: gnome-media applets replaced xfce4-mixer in my panel on upgrade
User1: also, I haven't been able to get nm-applet back on the panel
User1: I couldn't see the session applet until I removed the indicator applet
User2: A lot of useless things are probably pulled in on upgrades :/
User2: e.g. gnome-media, gnome-system-monitor, and indicator-appmenu
User2: (xfce4-mixer should still be installable though, even if it's not in the default panel config)
User1: good morning
User1: I found something else that should go in the launcher, pidgin :)
 * micahg is on naowtty n
User1: *natty now
User1: that's thunderbird
User1: indicators were broke on the first load, maybe I'll try them again tomorrow (have work to do today :))
User3: hey charlie-tca
User3: i fixed a few problems in greybird over the weekend, and there was also one more thing i wanted to propose
User3: at first i wanted to make the indicator-menus fit the panel-color (atm they are bright like all other menus)
User3: and then i realized that if i make them dark, it seems inconsistent with the app-menu and the session-menu
User3: yeah, but that's the thing:
User3: appmenu and session-menu are generic gtk-menus, so you can't theme them directly without theming all the other menus as well
User3: so basically i went ahead and tried that
User3: in fact i think it makes the menus in all applications stand out a little more, they're more visible
User3: but you could also argue that a bright menubar with a dark menu looks inconsistent
User3: anyhow, i think it'd be best if you gave it a try yourself
User3: btw, there are no applications that have troubles with this, i fixed ooo, firefox etc. and all of them are ok
User3: charlie-tca: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/archives/master
User3: it's rather easy to switch the dark menus on and off
User3: i can comment the code in a way that a user can quickly switch back to bright/dark menus (whatever we decide for in the end)
User3: yeah, the original menus are grey
User3: they look consistent, but they don't stand out from the rest of the window very much
User3: i think that's the biggest gain
User3: and of course the panel-menus look a lot more consistent now
User3: you don't?
User3: no xfce4-appmenu?
User3: in thunar there also should be menus
User3: right
User3: well, most other apps should have menus too
User3: firefox, thunar etc
User3: even if you don't you'll see the difference in the session-menu
User3: and the indicators
User3: right :)
User3: well, nvm
User3: yeah
User3: good to hear
User3: well check out how it works with the latest greybird for you and let me know
User3: mmh
User3: yeah the greybird changes i just talked about haven't been pushed to xubuntu yet, they're only in git
User3: ok, i'll be back later
User1: charlie-tca: maybe this evening
User1: indicator plugin + nm-applet is broke
User1: yep, when I add it back, nm-applet goes away
User1: or rather is hidden
User1: and I can't get it back unless I restart the panel
User1: items list doesn't show it
User1: items should show everything in the panel
User1: and no, I can't click it
User3: User1 no, items list doesn't show anything inside the indicator applet
User1: ah, hmm
User3: User1 are you using a vertical or a horizontal panel?
 * micahg tries adding back the indicator applet to see if nm-applet appears
User1: horizontal
User3: User1 afaik indicators can only be used in a horizontal panel
User3: k
User3: do a "xfce4-panel --restart" after adding the indicator plugin
User2: yeah, the current callback for xfce4-indicator-plugin in orientation-changed does nothing =]
User3: hehe, in fact i read the code a while ago and was wondering why there was code for it that does nothing :)
User1: indicator-plugin has no width
User3: charlie-tca: how do you mean?
User3: charlie-tca: both our panels are horizontal atm and afaik the xubuntu/ubuntu panels always have been (without unity)
User2: User1 feel free to create a patch, I already heavily patched it to make it work
User1: the dock works vertical
User2: (I sent them upstream too)
User1: User2 that doesn't sound good :-/
User2: well, it's definitely not cool, but many panel plugins work badly with vertical panels
User3: i have to say vertical panel has improved a lot since 4.6
User3: e.g. the window-buttons
User1: well, I'm just worried about the indicator plugin horizontal ATM
User3: User1 you mean the indicators work vertically but not horizontally?
User1: User3 no, they don't work horizontally on the top panel (I haven't tried vertically)
User3: charlie-tca: not sure that if a user changes something about the config we provide him with it's the best phrasing to say "we did that to them", because even technically they did it to themselves
User3: charlie-tca: also, we can't fix everything that doesn't work upstream (even though mr_pouit does a hell of a job trying ;) )
User3: User1 nice, looking forward to testing midori again
User2: User1 huhu, I thought it had improved
User1: 0.3.0 is horrible
 * micahg is hoping 0.3.2 is better (paperwork done :))
User3: charlie-tca: well, i didn't mean the bug is invalid, but i thought we already try to provide the best user experience by using the panel config we developed over the last months
 * micahg is notorious for filing lots of FFes
User3: hm, i wasn't consciously thinking of it, but i experienced it before
User1: especially if the search doesn't work :-/
User2: I'll say it, one last time: the "logout-to-gdm-instead-of-reboot" is not specific to xfsm-logout-plugin...
User2: well, good for you
User2: for me, using applications > logout, I always return to gdm
User3: charlie-tca: what do you think of the new greybird-menus?
User4: charlie-tca, the slideshow is pending on your opinion on the greybird menus. can you give one?
User3: ok cool :)
User3: happy to hear that
User3: as stated above i tested it in natty and maverick with the known troublemaker-apps like firefox and libreoffice and it all seems to work great
User3: yeah, the contrast is the same as in the panel
User3: so it should work ok for dark and bright icons
User3: and i also tried to make the text very readable
User3: he meant that the menus will show up in the screenshots for the slideshow and i'm about to do them ;)
User3: will or might show up
User3: yes, that's what i thought
User3: especially since we'll show the application menu
User4: :)
User4: no problem then
User3: yeah, that'll definitely be harder for non-native speakers than "natty" or "maverick"
User3: hm yeah, i guessed so :)
User3: it sounds a bit obscure
User3: as in: obscure ocelot
User1: oh, is lightdm not provided on upgrades?
User1: and where should I file a missing menu category icon bug under?
User1: oh, ok
User1: Education
User5: any plans about 4.8 lucid ppa?
User5: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5712 koshi says there are some problems, i'm gonna try if it works self-compiled
User2: User1 elementary-icon-theme, but upstream is on lp as well, so you might want to check their bzr branch before reporting
User1: User2 ok, thanks
User1: charlie-tca: where's the Firefox menu for you?  in the panel or in Firefox?
User1: the xfce4-indicator-plugin is claiming it supports it, so I lost my menus
User2: remove indicator-appmenu
User1: ugh, then I can't test unity :-/
User1: that's probably what's killing it though
User2: I've a work-in-progress patch to blacklist it from xfce4-indicator-plugin if you want to test
User1: User2 sure
User1: PPA or patch
User2: User1 http://lionel.lefolgoc.net/misc/xfce4-indicator-plugin/debian-changes-0.2.0-0ubuntu3
User2: User1 and the plugin config is http://lionel.lefolgoc.net/misc/xfce4-indicator-plugin/indicator-5.rc (for the default config, you can put it in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/panel or in $HOME/.config/xfce4/panel/)
User1: User2 that version appears to be in natty
User2: yep, that's a quick hack
User2: (I didn't bump the version locally)
User1: k, thanks
User1: User2 didn't seem to work, I restarted the panel after I rebuilt with it
User2: User1 does the plugin number of the config file match yours?
User2: (in the default xubuntu config, indicator is the 5th plugin, but for you it might be different)
User2: so you have to change the filename (indicator-XX.rc)
User1: where do I find this info?
User1: is this the list in the panel prefs?
User2: usually, grep indicator ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml
User2: yeah, or in the prefs
User2: (the tooltip will give you the internal name)
User1: User2 it works, now the trick must be to get the numbers aligned :), it's 6 fo rme
User1: and now it's beautiful :)
User2: thanks for alpha testing ;-)
User1: no problem, I'm happy to have nm-applet working :)
 * micahg loves fixes that can be applies in under 5 minutes :)
User1: *applied
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