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Uh, most of 'em anywhere between + + + + + + + + + + eighteen and twenty two. + + + + + + + + + + Maybe one to two of my friends might be a couple years older than that. + + + + + + + + + + Uh, + + + + + + + + + + well no, d- We don't actually have any leader, no. + + + + + + + + + + Not really. + + + + + + + + + + Uh- + + + + + + + + + + [No], well I know what you mean. Like somebody who makes the plans and [decides] what they're gonna do that night and all that. + + + + + + + + + + Well uh, + + + + + + + + + + not really. Not- not in that sense, but uh, + + + + + + + + + + there- there's one guy I guess that you- that- + + + + + + + + + + He has a car, and uh, + + + + + + + + + + he uh- + + + + + + + + + + he has a real good job and has lots of money and h- he has a- uh, he- + + + + + + + + + + He knows where a lot of uh, parties and things like that are. And + + + + + + + + + + we usually uh- + + + + + + + + + + He had a lot of good ideas a lot of times. + + + + + + + + + + Uh, + + + + + + + + + + friend of mine uh, speaks Spanish, yes. + + + + + + + + + + Oh I have- + + + + + + + + + + Yeah I- there's about three or- + + + + + + + + + + three or four + + + + + + + + + + colored people, yes. + + + + + + + + + + No, I'm over by Dupont Circle. + + + + + + + + + + Yes, [I think it's-] + + + + + + + + + + Over there? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah I think it's a good neighborhood. I like it. + + + + + + + + + + It's uh- + + + + + + + + + + it's- it's- it's- /plus side/ it's convenient to downtown. You can walk to work. + + + + + + + + + + And uh, + + + + + + + + + + something- that I like the atmosphere around there a lot. + + + + + + + + + + Mm. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Well uh, I suppose he would just start uh, hanging around the places that we w- that we- we frequent. + + + + + + + + + + And uh, + + + + + + + + + + <ts> + + + + + + + + + + then uh, + + + + + + + + + + he would- If he didn't know anybody in our group or didn't know any of the friends of anybody that uh- [/I know/], + + + + + + + + + + I guess uh, + + + + + + + + + + he'd just + + + + + + + + + + m- + + + + + + + + + + would maybe be seen around or + + + + + + + + + + might- he might s- + + + + + + + + + + strike up a casual conversation someplace or + + + + + + + + + + [I don't know.] + + + + + + + + + + You know, depends on how bad he wanted to hang with us so. + + + + + + + + + + I'm uh eventually take a- an uh, art course, probably commercial art, + + + + + + + + + + go into [that.] + + + + + + + + + + No, not- not right now. I do a lot of sketches. I don't do any painting. + + + + + + + + + + Either uh, semi abstract or still lifes, s- something like that. I'm- I'm- + + + + + + + + + + right now, I'm pretty basic right now because uh, I'm + + + + + + + + + + tryna learn the fundamentals more or less, you know? + + + + + + + + + + Well I th- I think it's- it's- it's- it's a good deal. I'm not- I'm- I'm not advanced enough to go into uh, oils and paints or anything. + + + + + + + + + + I mean, I'm + + + + + + + + + + not that good yet. + + + + + + + + + + And uh, + + + + + + + + + + it's something you can do, like instead of just uh, + + + + + + + + + + punching a clock so m- still feel like you're- + + + + + + + + + + you're doing something. Like, + + + + + + + + + + if you're not mechanically inclined, you can't create that way. So you can, you know, create maybe + + + + + + + + + + you know, + + + + + + + + + + [in that way on- on the] paper, you know. + + + + + + + + + + Oh there's a lot of art schools, yeah. + + + + + + + + + + It's Corcoran or you could take a course at GW or- + + + + + + + + + + or American University. There's a lot of schools. + + + + + + + + + + Well uh, + + + + + + + + + + Corcoran has a reputation of being real good, but I- uh, + + + + + + + + + + most pe- most people that I- I- + + + + + + + + + + I associate with consider uh, + + + + + + + + + + courses at American University as real good. + + + + + + + + + + Uh, + + + + + + + + + + no, not- not right now, no. + + + + + + + + + + A couple of my friends are interested in the same thing I do and we uh, + + + + + + + + + + you know ex- + + + + + + + + + + exchange ideas and stuff [like that.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah I have yes. But not- I- I- Not usually not in a circle, usually uh, + + + + + + + + + + down off of uh, P Street or somewhere around there where you get a good view. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. Yes. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + [Which holiday] are you speaking of? + + + + + + + + + + Christmas? + + + + + + + + + + [Well they just], you know, celebrate and + + + + + + + + + + I guess way m- most people do that celebrate Christmas. + + + + + + + + + + You know, Christmas tree, presents, all that. + + + + + + + + + + Uh, well, <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + I would + + + + + + + + + + get a costume from + + + + + + + + + + some store and uh, + + + + + + + + + + rest of our friends would- + + + + + + + + + + would + + + + + + + + + + dress up in + + + + + + + + + + different outfits and + + + + + + + + + + go around the neighborhood and + + + + + + + + + + knock on doors, you know. + + + + + + + + + + Trick [or Treat] and things like that. + + + + + + + + + + Get candy. + + + + + + + + + + /Set up a few window/ stuff like that. + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh> Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + [Right.] + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, I kn- I was in a uh, car accident where I thought that was gonna happen. + + + + + + + + + + What do you mean? + + + + + + + + + + [No I- I-] + + + + + + + + + + No, I was uh- + + + + + + + + + + I was on the uh- + + + + + + + + + + on + + + + + + + + + + the right hand side of the driver on the [passenger's side.] + + + + + + + + + + And uh, + + + + + + + + + + we were + + + + + + + + + + going at about uh, + + + + + + + + + + about sixty miles an hour, + + + + + + + + + + and we had a green light, + + + + + + + + + + and somebody + + + + + + + + + + coming from the other way + + + + + + + + + + ran the uh- + + + + + + + + + + <ts> + + + + + + + + + + uh, ran the red light. + + + + + + + + + + So we hit him broad side. + + + + + + + + + + It was uh- + + + + + + + + + + And so I went- I went through the uh, windshield. + + + + + + + + + + [My head did], yeah. + + + + + + + + + + But uh, + + + + + + + + + + I wasn't hurt. + + + + + + + + + + But I- I thought just a- just about the- + + + + + + + + + + the minute before I saw the car, you know, I really thought that was gonna be it. + + + + + + + + + + [No] just- just slightly. I had a l- small cut back here but it- it was nothing really. + + + + + + + + + + So I was just very lucky. Very [fortunate.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh, yeah, there was uh, + + + + + + + + + + a boy in the back seat. Uh, + + + + + + + + + + he had a- a broken arm and a few broken ribs. + + + + + + + + + + He went uh- + + + + + + + + + + hit the uh- + + + + + + + + + + his head on the steering wheel as he went over the back seat. + + + + + + + + + + I mean hit- Yeah, hit his arm and something else. + + + + + + + + + + [His ribs.] + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah I know.] + + + + + + + + + + Right. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah sure. + + + + + + + + + + It's time to go, you're gonna go. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Okay. + + + + + + + + + + Okay you were- uh- when you were younger, what kinds of games did you play? + + + + + + + + + + Like around the neighborhood. + + + + + + + + + + Can you remember any of those? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + How did you uh- + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, Hopscotch or any of those? You ever play those? + + + + + + + + + + How do you play that? Do you remember? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, + + + + + + + + + + Hide and Seek? How'd you play that> + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. Is there anyway you decide who's gonna be it when you begin the game? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Have you ever- Use any rhymes or anything? + + + + + + + + + + How about, one potato, two potato, you /remember that/? + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, + + + + + + + + + + Kick the Can or anything with bottle caps? + + + + + + + + + + How about marbles? + + + + + + + + + + H- how did you play that? I never played that myself. How do you- How would you play that? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Good. + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, now, do you watch a lot of television + + + + + + + + + + at all? + + + + + + + + + + Okay what- what + + + + + + + + + + programs do you + + + + + + + + + + like particularly? + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. Could you tell me about- + + + + + + + + + + Did you see The Avengers this week? + + + + + + + + + + Could you tell me + + + + + + + + + + uh, + + + + + + + + + + any one program that you saw this week that you can remember? You can recall what happened? + + + + + + + + + + [Are-] + + + + + + + + + + Okay, well what do you like so much about Laugh In? + + + + + + + + + + Is there anything particular? + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Okay, how about uh, television? + + + + + + + + + + I mean uh, movies. Do you go to the movies [/regularly/?] + + + + + + + + + + Okay, wh- what were some of the movies you've seen recently? + + + + + + + + + + What was that about? Can you + + + + + + + + + + [describe] that [for me?] + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + What were some of the motives behind the- Can you + + + + + + + + + + remember any of those? + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.' + + + + + + + + + + How'd they get caught? I don't know. + + + + + + + + + + [Did they do] something wrong that they [got caught?] + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Uh, how about uh, In the Heat of the Night, did you happen to [see that?] + + + + + + + + + + What was that about? + + + + + + + + + + [That was supposed] to be pretty good + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Very good. How about the best movie you've ever seen? Do you- Can you remember? + + + + + + + + + + What was that about? + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + He was a slave right? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + How about the best recent movie you've seen? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah a lot of people talking about that. What was that about [anyway?] + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Hm. + + + + + + + + + + Very [good.] + + + + + + + + + + You've seen <laugh> quite a few of the recent ones. I haven't seen any of those (laughing). + + + + + + + + + + Uh, how about when you were younger. Did you ever have a little pet or anything like that? + + + + + + + + + + /Oh/. + + + + + + + + + + What was your dog like (laughing)? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + What was it your friend? Did it wait for you after school or something like that? Were you kind of- + + + + + + + + + + How about your school? You don't go to school now. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. How about when you were in school? What- + + + + + + + + + + what + + + + + + + + + + types of things did you study? + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah], mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Did you remember any of those that you thought were the best? Or which subjects did you like the best? + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + How come /man/? + + + + + + + + + + [Any reason?] + + + + + + + + + + [<laugh>] + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, + + + + + + + + + + r- + + + + + + + + + + Do you remember when you were young and you never have any teachers like couldn't get along with- used to holler a lot at you? + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> Yeah, okay, tell me what were they like? + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + What did they holler about? What did you get yelled at for or the other kids /and so and so/? + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + What school did you go to anyhow? + + + + + + + + + + Oh that's out uh- + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, that's where I live. + + + + + + + + + + What kind of school is that anyways? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + /How you-/ + + + + + + + + + + Don't they have some famous athletes from there or something? + + + + + + + + + + [Somebody] Jackson or somebody? I don't know. + + + + + + + + + + [No.] + + + + + + + + + + I was thinking of a baseball player. I- I guess not. + + + + + + + + + + [How-] How about the best teacher you ever had? Can you- + + + + + + + + + + [Can you remember it?] + + + + + + + + + + Was there any teacher you really learned a lot from or that you thought was nice or you know, anything. + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Did- + + + + + + + + + + how about- + + + + + + + + + + is there one teacher you just couldn't stand (laughing)? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + [What was it] about him? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, + + + + + + + + + + did the kids in your class ever pull + + + + + + + + + + any tricks on the teacher that you can recall? + + + + + + + + + + Like April Fools Day or anything like that? Any + + + + + + + + + + [kind of /?/] + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + Okay. + + + + + + + + + + Good. + + + + + + + + + + Um, + + + + + + + + + + how about uh, + + + + + + + + + + the kids you go around with? There's a + + + + + + + + + + group of guys you go around with, [do] things with? + + + + + + + + + + Uh, + + + + + + + + + + they mostly your age or- or what? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. Is there one person you consider the leader of the group or? + + + + + + + + + + Kind of an informal leader. [He says-] + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Mm-hm. + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. How about the guys you go around with? Any of them speak any foreign languages or anything? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + How about any + + + + + + + + + + uh, Negro guys in the group or + + + + + + + + + + /?/ mostly white guys or what? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Where- where do you live now? You still live out in Silver Spring? + + + + + + + + + + Dupont Circle. + + + + + + + + + + You like Dupont Circle? + + + + + + + + + + [Good place. /How you liked /??/./ + + + + + + + + + + Yeah, I've hung there + + + + + + + + + + /couple of nights, guitars and shit./ + + + + + + + + + + It's very interesting. + + + + + + + + + + There's a concert there like (racket in background) + + + + + + + + + + rigid around there in the ward though from what I understand. + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, if a new guy came around into your group. Is there any + + + + + + + + + + way he could get into your uh, + + + + + + + + + + bunch of kids? You- you know, the group of guys you go around with. There's- + + + + + + + + + + say uh, + + + + + + + + + + a new guy + + + + + + + + + + moves into the area you know, where you live. + + + + + + + + + + Uh, + + + + + + + + + + how does he make his way into your group? Is there any + + + + + + + + + + informal way that he- + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh, what do you wanna do uh, + + + + + + + + + + eventually in terms of work? What type of work do you wanna do? + + + + + + + + + + [Mm-hm.] + + + + + + + + + + Do you do a lot of painting? + + + + + + + + + + Is that right? What type of sketches do you do? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. Wh- what is it about uh, + + + + + + + + + + sketching that you think is so + + + + + \ea + + + + + neat? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Yeah. + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah, right.] + + + + + + + + + + Is there an art school around here? + + + + + + + + + + Which is the best at /??/? + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Is there + + + + + + + + + + anybody that's kind of + + + + + + + + + + /got/- you know, your kind of learning from now? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + You sit sometimes in the park and sketch? <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + That's very good. + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, right now, you- + + + + + + + + + + you working for /RD-WORK-3/? + + + + + + + + + + Occasionally? + + + + + + + + + + Good. + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, + + + + + + + + + + when you were younger say, y- and you were living at home, uh, + + + + + + + + + + how did your family celebrate the holidays? + + + + + + + + + + Any special types of + + + + + + + + + + [/inaudible/?] + + + + + + + + + + Oh, + + + + + + + + + + big holidays like, + + + + + + + + + + Christmas, say, or- + + + + + + + + + + [Yeah.] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + How about uh, + + + + + + + + + + say Halloween? What would you do when you were a little kid on Halloween? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> Try not to let the bigger [kids steal] your stuff, [right?] + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + How about uh- + + + + + + + + + + changing the subject kind of slightly + + + + + + + + + + towards /?/ but were you ever in a situation where you thought, man, this is it. I'm gonna go now. I'm gonna die now. + + + + + + + + + + What ha- What- What happened then? + + + + + + + + + + What- + + + + + + + + + + Were you driving? You were- + + + + + + + + + + [hit somebody] head on or what? + + + + + + + + + + [Uh-huh.] + + + + + + + + + + [Is that right?] + + + + + + + + + + Uh-huh. + + + + + + + + + + Didn't you cut your head up when you went through the [windshield?] + + + + + + + + + + [Is that] right? Anybody else hurt? + + + + + + + + + + [It's kind of a] weird feeling, all of a sudden couple of seconds [from when you got hit], this is it. + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> + + + + + + + + + + Sometimes people say, eh, whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen anyhow. + + + + + + + + + + <laugh> What do you- + + + + + + + + + + You think that? + + + + + + + + + + Okay. + + + + + + + + + + Good. + + + + + + + + + + + + + +