butte. They did have a translator up that every once in awhile you could get a little moving picture off of it. But it wasn’t very good. SF: How about radio? HG: Yeah, radio is real good. I always had good radio. I listen to radio. I never really had too much interest in television I guess. SF: How about any stories about parenting? With three boys and a girl, I’m sure you have some. HG: Oh, I suppose I have, but I can’t think of anything in particular about them. They were pretty good kids but they spent an awful lot of times outside and lots of times I think they probably did lots of things I didn’t know anything about. They were pretty good kids I think. I never had too much trouble with them anyway. They always had to work. Seems like there was always work for them, lambing and calving. Then there was always some hired men around that helped that they liked to follow around too. I don’t know, it seemed like all the hired men we ever had seemed to like kids and the kids liked them. SF: Good. I bet they did. Did your kids go to a country school for grade school? HG: Uh-huh, they did. I guess they all went to, well Lee went on the bus to seventh and eighth grade. But otherwise they all went to the country school until through the eighth grade. SF: Did they go to the Van Norman School? HG: Oh, they called the Flowing Wells School. SF: Flowing Wells. HG: Uh-huh. It’s been closed up for years now. SF: Is that that red building there by the highway? HG: Well it’s across from Fraday’s. Yeah, uh-huh. I didn’t know whether it was still there or not any more. I haven’t, is it still there? I can’t remember. SF: I think it is still there. HG: There’s a big old house some neighbors used to live there too, close by. I was thinking that something happened to that school but maybe not. I guess it’s probably still there. SF: Okay. They went to high school in Jordan?
HG: Yeah. Yeah I lived in it for about three or four years I guess before I had to come down here. SF: To the nursing home. So Philip has taken over the family ranch, and will this be the third generation on the ranch? HG: Let’s see, there was Jay, Roy, then Jimmy, Gerald and John, yeah I guess he’d be the third generation. I guess that’s right. SF: That’s pretty cool, three generations. HG: In fact, when I think of my folks’ old homestead over there, I still have it too. I guess we’re the only, I’m the only one that’s ever, besides my folks, I’m the only one that’s ever owned it. SF: Do you lease that out, Helen? HG: Not really. Philip takes livestock over there in the summertime and brings them home in the wintertime. SF: Okay. So it’s kind of part of the whole ranch that Philip has. HG: Yes. Oh Philip’s and Lee’s. Lee has an interest in that ranch out there too. Well all the kids sort of have an interest in it, but Philip is the one who takes care of it. But he takes care of the Hammond <spelling uncertain> Ranch. It’s about twenty miles north of where he lives now. SF: Okay, and it’s in Garfield County? HG: Oh yes it’s in Garfield County. SF: And it’s referred to as the Hammond Ranch? HG: I guess so. SF: Well what legacy do you hope to leave with your children? HG: Oh I don’t know. I just hope, they are good honest kids. I just hope they are. I don’t know what legacy I’d say. I don’t have much to leave them. SF: Well I know two of your kids really well, and I think they are very good honest kids. They are hard working. All four of them are hard working. HG: I guess that, I think their father probably taught them more than I did about working.