Baron of Renfrew (title) Baron of Renfrew (title) Present holder The Prince Charles Baron of Renfrew is a dignity held by the heir apparent to the British throne, currently Prince Charles . [1] It was held by the Scottish heir apparent beginning in 1404. It is closely associated with the title Duke of Rothesay . An act of the Scottish Parliament passed in 1469 confirmed the pattern of succession. [2] Renfrew , a town near Glasgow , is sometimes called the “cradle of the royal Stewarts.” In Scotland, barons hold feudal titles, not peerages : a Scottish lord of Parliament equates to an English or British baron. Some, however, claim that the Act of 1469 effectively elevated the Barony of Renfrew to the dignity of a peerage. [3] Others suggest that the barony became a peerage upon the Union of the Crowns in 1603. Finally, some scholars argue that the uncertainty surrounding the text of the 1469 Act leaves the barony as only a feudal dignity, not a peerage dignity.

[4] The title of Lord Renfrew was used by the traveling Prince of Wales, later King Edward VII [5] and Prince Edward, Duke of Rothesay , later King Edward VIII and Duke of Windsor, when he traveled in a private capacity or when he wished to pay visits ‘incognito’. [6] Heir apparent Learn and talk about Baron of Renfrew (title), British monarchy Present holder The Prince Charles Baron of Renfrew is a dignity held by the heir apparent to the British throne, currently Prince Charles . [1] It was held by the Scottish heir apparent beginning in 1404. It is closely associated with the title Duke of Rothesay . An act of the Scottish Parliament passed in 1469 confirmed the pattern of succession. [2] Renfrew , a town near Glasgow , is sometimes called the "cradle of the royal Stewarts." In Scotland, barons hold feudal titles, not peerages : a Scottish lord of Parliament equates to an English or British baron. Some, however, claim that the Act of 1469 effectively elevated the Barony of Renfrew to the dignity of a peerage.

[3] Others suggest that the barony became a peerage upon the Union of the Crowns in 1603. Finally, some scholars argue that the uncertainty surrounding the text of the 1469 Act leaves the barony as only a feudal dignity, not a peerage dignity. [4] The title of Lord Renfrew was used by the traveling Prince of Wales, later King Edward VII [5] and Prince Edward, Duke of Rothesay , later King Edward VIII and Duke of Windsor, when he traveled in a private capacity or when he wished to pay visits 'incognito'. [6] Heir apparent Original courtesy of Wikipedia: — Please support Wikipedia. This page uses Creative Commons Licensed content from Wikipedia . A portion of the proceeds from advertising on Digplanet goes to supporting Wikipedia. We're sorry, but there's no news about "Baron of Renfrew (title)" right now. Limit to books that you can completely read online Include partial books (book previews) Oops, we seem to be having trouble contacting Twitter Support Wikipedia A portion of the proceeds from advertising on Digplanet goes to supporting Wikipedia. Please add your support for Wikipedia! Searchlight Group Digplanet also receives support from Searchlight Group.

Visit Searchlight Copyright © 2009-2017 Digparty. All rights reserved. Titles Titles The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge Prince Harry Residences Titles His Royal Highness Prince Charles Philip Arthur George, Prince of Wales, KG, KT, GCB, OM, AK, QSO, PC, ADC, Earl of Chester, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland. His Royal Highness King George VI had granted letters patent under the Great Seal of the Realm on 22nd October 1948, declaring that children of the marriage of HRH Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh, and HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, should "have and at all times hold and enjoy the style, title or attribute of Royal Highness and the titular dignity of Prince or Princess prefixed to their respective Christian names in addition to any other appellations and titles and honour which may belong to them hereafter". The announcement was made on 9th November, five days before The Prince was born.

Under rules proclaimed by King George V on 17th July 1917, the royal style and title had been restricted to the Sovereign's children and to the children of the Sovereign's sons, which would have excluded any children of the then Princess Elizabeth. The Prince of Wales The Prince of Wales is a title created for the male heir to The British Throne. There is no automatic succession to this title, but it is normally passed on when the existing Prince of Wales accedes to the throne. The title becomes merged in the Crown and is renewed only by the Sovereign's pleasure. The Queen created Prince Charles The Prince of Wales on 26th July 1958. The Prince can trace his descent through the Tudors to the original native Princes of Wales, though the title's use for the Heir to the English Throne began with Edward II, who had been created Prince of Wales by his father Edward I in 1301. Knight of the Garter (KG) The Most Noble Order of the Garter, founded by Edward III in 1348, is the senior British Order of Chivalry.

The Prince of Wales automatically became a KG when he became Prince of Wales in 1958, but was not installed until 17th June 1968, at Windsor Castle. Knight of the Thistle (KT) The Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle is Scotland's highest honour and is second in precedence to the Garter. Its origins are uncertain, but its legendary status was recognised when it was revived in 1687 by James II (James VII of Scotland). The Prince is among current royal Knights and Ladies of the Thistle - under his title as Duke of Rothesay; he was installed in 1977. Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath (GCB) The Most Honourable Order of the Bath is the premier meritorious Order of the Crown, mainly given to officers of the armed services together with a small number of civil servants. It was founded by George I in 1725. The Prince was installed as Great Master on 28th May 1975. Order of Merit (OM) This is a relatively modern Order, and is one of the most coveted of British distinctions.

The Order is restricted to 24 members (as well as additional foreign recipients). As with the Royal Victorian Order, the Order of Merit is in the sole gift of the Sovereign but carries no rank apart from the initials OM after the name. The Prince of Wales was awarded the Order of Merit on 26th June 2002. Knight of the Order of Australia (AK) The Order was instituted by The Queen in 1975 on the advice of her Australian ministers, and The Prince was installed in 1981. Companion of the Queen's Service Order (QSO) The Order was instituted by The Queen in 1975 on the advice of her New Zealand ministers, and The Prince was installed in 1983. Privy Counsellor (PC) References to a Privy Council of senior advisers to the Sovereign date back to the 14th century, though such advisers had been close to kings long before that. Today Privy Counsellors include all members of the Cabinet, other senior ministers, leaders of opposition parties, Lords Justice of Appeal, and the Archbishops of Canterbury and York. Some members are also drawn from the Commonwealth.

The appointment is for life, but under modern convention only members of the Government are normally summoned to meetings, together with new Privy Counsellors who have to take part in a short ceremony involving swearing an oath of allegiance and kissing of The Queen's hand. Should there be a need for The Privy Council to meet in The Queen's absence, Her Majesty, by Letters Patent, creates senior members of the Royal Family Councillors of State, enabling them to represent her in summoning a Privy Council meeting. Aide-de-Camp (ADC) Queen Victoria instituted the appointment of a small group of personal ADCs, an honorary appointment with few duties. The Prince is one of The Queen's personal ADCs. Principal ADC - an office held by some high-ranking officers in the Armed Services - carries duties including attendance on The Queen at the State Opening of Parliament. Other ADCs, rarely asked to perform any duties, are also chosen from the Armed Services. Earl of Chester The Earldom was created by William the Conqueror, with the intention of the Earl keeping an eye on any war-like activities by the Welsh. It reverted to the Crown in 1237, and was passed to the future Edward I.

He conferred the Earldom on his son, Edward II, and since then the Earldom of Chester has gone to every Prince of Wales. Duke of Cornwall The Prince became Duke of Cornwall automatically upon The Queen's accession on 6th February 1952. The Duchy of Cornwall - the oldest and one of the biggest landed estates in England - has existed for more than 650 years and provides an income for the male Heir to The Throne. Duke of Rothesay When The Prince of Wales is in Scotland, he is known by this title of the Scottish peerage, first conferred by Robert III, King of Scots, on his son David in 1398. An act of the Scottish Parliament in 1469 confirmed its restriction to the Heir Apparent to the throne of Scotland. Since the 1603 Union of the Crowns the title has descended alongside the Dukedom of Cornwall, and The Prince became Duke of Rothesay at the time of The Queen's accession. Earl of Carrick and Baron of Renfrew Other titles of the Scottish peerage inherited by the Heir to The Throne under the 1469 Act.

Lord of The Isles This ancient title, held by those who ruled the Western Isles as vassals of the King of Scotland, was annexed to the Crown by James V of Scotland in 1540, to be passed to his heirs. Prince and Great Steward of Scotland The hereditary office of Great (or High) Steward dates from the 12th Century. The 1469 Act confirmed that the title should go to "the first-born prince of the King of Scots for ever". Baron of Renfrew (title) - WikiVisually FEATURED ARTICLES · CHANGE LANGUAGE · hover over links in text for more info click links in text for more info Baron of Renfrew (title) Present holder The Prince Charles Baron of Renfrew is a dignity held by the heir apparent to the British throne, currently Prince Charles . [1] It was held by the Scottish heir apparent beginning in 1404. It is closely associated with the title Duke of Rothesay . An act of the Scottish Parliament passed in 1469 confirmed the pattern of succession.

[2] Renfrew , a town near Glasgow , is sometimes called the "cradle of the royal Stewarts." In Scotland, barons hold feudal titles, not peerages : a Scottish lord of Parliament equates to an English or British baron. Some, however, claim that the Act of 1469 effectively elevated the Barony of Renfrew to the dignity of a peerage. [3] Others suggest that the barony became a peerage upon the Union of the Crowns in 1603. Finally, some scholars argue that the uncertainty surrounding the text of the 1469 Act leaves the barony as only a feudal dignity, not a peerage dignity. [4] The title of Lord Renfrew was used by the traveling Prince of Wales, later King Edward VII [5] and Prince Edward, Duke of Rothesay , later King Edward VIII and Duke of Windsor, when he traveled in a private capacity or when he wished to pay visits 'incognito'.

[6] Heir apparent British Royal Family - ArtiFact :: Free Encyclopedia of Everything Art, Antiques & Collectibles British Royal Family 4 years ago The Duke of Edinburgh celebrated his 90th birthday on 10 June 2011. Since The Queen’s accession, His Royal Highness has played a prominent part in many aspects of national life. In this section you can find out more about The Duke of Edinburgh’s interests and involvements, view a gallery of images from his childhood through to the present day and watch videos of His Royal Highness on public engagements with Her Majesty. The Prince of Wales The Prince of Wales, eldest son of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, is Heir Apparent to the throne. The Prince was born at Buckingham Palace on 14 November 1948, and was christened Charles Philip Arthur George. When, on the accession of Queen Elizabeth in 1952, he became heir apparent, Prince Charles automatically became Duke of Cornwall under a charter of King Edward III dating back to 1337, which gave that title to the Sovereign’s eldest son.

He also became in the Scottish Peerage, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland. The Prince was created Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester on 26 July 1958, becoming the first Prince of Wales since 1936. Although investitures of Princes of Wales were traditionally held in front of Parliament, and not all Princes of Wales have been invested, the investiture of the present Prince of Wales (like that of his predecessor Prince Edward, later Edward VIII, in 1911) was a State occasion. It took place in a Welsh setting before the Welsh people, at Caernarfon Castle on 1 July 1969. The Welsh regalia (Crown Jewels associated with the Princes of Wales) used at the investitures in 1911 and 1969 are on loan to the National Museum of Wales in Cardiff. On 29 July 1981, The Prince of Wales married Lady Diana Spencer in St Paul’s Cathedral who became HRH The Princess of Wales.

The Princess was born on 1 July 1961, at Park House on The Queen’s estate at Sandringham, Norfolk. She lived there until the death in 1975 of her grandfather, the 7th Earl, when the family moved to the Spencer family seat at Althorp House in Northamptonshire. Lady Diana’s father, then Viscount Althorp and later the eighth Earl Spencer, had been an equerry to both George VI and The Queen. Her maternal grandmother, Ruth, Lady Fermoy, was a close friend and lady in waiting to The Queen Mother. The Prince and Princess of Wales had two sons: Prince William, born on 21 June 1982; and Prince Harry, born on 15 September 1984. From the time of their marriage, The Prince and Princess of Wales went on overseas tours and carried out many engagements together in the UK. On 9 December 1992, the Prime Minister, John Major, announced to the House of Commons that The Prince and Princess of Wales had agreed to separate. The marriage was dissolved on 28 August, 1996. The Princess was still regarded as a member of the Royal Family.

She continued to live at Kensington Palace and to carry out her public work for a number of charities. When The Princess was killed in a car crash in Paris on 31 August 1997, The Prince of Wales flew to Paris with her two sisters to bring her body back to London. The Princess lay in the Chapel Royal at St James’s Palace until the night before the funeral. On the day of the funeral, The Prince of Wales accompanied his two sons, aged 15 and 12 at the time, as they walked behind the coffin from The Mall to Westminster Abbey. With them were The Duke of Edinburgh and The Princess’s brother, Earl Spencer. Click here to find out more about the life and work of Diana, Princess of Wales. The Prince of Wales asked the media to respect his sons’ privacy, to allow them to lead a normal school life. In the following years, Princes William and Harry, who are second and third in line to the throne, accompanied their father on a limited number of official engagements in the UK and abroad.

The Prince of Wales married Mrs Camilla Parker Bowles on 9 April 2005 at a civil ceremony at the Guildhall in Windsor, followed by a service of prayer and dedication in St. George’s Chapel, Windsor Castle. After the wedding, Mrs Parker Bowles became known as HRH The Duchess of Cornwall. When The Prince of Wales accedes to the throne, she will be known as HRH The Princess Consort. The Duchess of Cornwall The Duchess of Cornwall was born Camilla Rosemary Shand on 17 July 1947 at King’s College Hospital, London. She is the eldest of three siblings: she has a sister, Annabel Elliot (nee Shand), and a brother, Mark Shand. As a member of the Royal Family, The Duchess of Cornwall supports her husband, The Prince of Wales, in carrying out his work and duties as Heir to The Throne. She also undertakes public engagements on behalf of her own charities. The Duchess is Patron or President of a number of charities and attends events to support them. She also supports the work of the British Armed Services both in the United Kingdom and abroad.

Her Royal Highness has her own military appointments and accompanies The Prince on the majority of his visits to the Army, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force. The Duchess of Cornwall also visits other countries on overseas tours with The Prince of Wales as part of Their Royal Highnesses’s role in supporting The Queen and together, Their Royal Highnesses are among the United Kingdom’s most important ambassadors. In 2011 – 2012, The Duchess of Cornwall undertook 54 overseas engagements. The overseas visits are undertaken at the request of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to further British diplomatic interests, raise the UK’s profile in the country visited and highlight British excellence. The Duke of Cambridge Prince William is the elder son of The Prince of Wales and the late Diana, Princess of Wales. On 29 April 2011, following his marriage to Catherine Middleton, the title The Duke of Cambridge was conferred on him by The Queen. He was born at 9.03pm on 21 June 1982, at St Mary’s Hospital, Paddington, London. A bulletin announced that the Royal baby weighed 7lb 1 1/2oz.

On 4 August 1982, Prince William Arthur Philip Louis was christened by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Robert Runcie, in the Music Room at Buckingham Palace. After attending Mrs Mynors School, The Duke became a pupil at Wetherby School in London, from 15 January 1987 until 5 July 1990. From September 1990, The Duke attended Ludgrove School in Berkshire, for five years until 5 July 1995. He then attended Eton College from July 1995 and studied Geography, Biology and History of Art at A Level. The Duke was 15-years-old when Diana, Princess of Wales was killed in a car crash in Paris on 31 August 1997. The Duke of Cambridge and Prince Harry walked behind their mother’s cortege at her funeral which was held at Westminster Abbey on 6 September 1997. After a gap year in which he visited Chile, Belize, worked on British dairy farms and visited countries in Africa, The Duke chose to study at St Andrews University in Fife, Scotland.

He graduated with a 2:1 in Geography in 2005. After a period of work experience, The Duke of Cambridge joined the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst as an Officer Cadet. He was commissioned as an army officer in front of The Queen at Sandhurst in December 2006 and joined the Household Cavalry (Blues and Royals) as a Second Lieutenant. He went on to train as an RAF Search and Rescue Pilot with the RAF, graduating as a fully operational pilot in September 2010. The Duke is a fully operational Search and Rescue Pilot with the Royal Air Force, based at Anglesey, Wales. At the same time, The Duke of Cambridge is President or Patron to a number of charities and organisations whose work he wishes to support. On 29th May 2012, The Duke of Cambridge said he was ‘honoured’ to be conferred to the Order of the Thistle in the year of The Queen’s Diamond Jubilee. The Duchess of Cambridge Catherine Elizabeth Middleton was born to Michael and Carole Middleton at the Royal Berkshire Hospital, Reading, on 9 January 1982. The Duchess is the eldest of three children.

The Duchess of Cambridge was christened at the parish church of St. Andrew’s Bradfield in Berkshire on 20 June 1982. In May 1984, at the age of two, The Duchess moved with her family to Amman in Jordan, where her father worked for two and a half years. Her Royal Highness attended a nursery school in Amman from the age of three. In September 1986, the Middletons returned to their home in West Berkshire, and Her Royal Highness started at St. Andrew’s School in Pangbourne, where she remained until July 1995. The Duchess went on to Marlborough College in Wiltshire, where she studied Chemistry, Biology and Art at A-level. Her Royal Highness also took part in sport on behalf of the school, playing tennis, hockey and netball and participating in athletics, particularly high jump. The Duchess completed her Duke of Edinburgh Gold Award at Marlborough. Leaving Marlborough College in July 2000, The Duchess of Cambridge undertook a gap year in which she studied at the British Institute in Florence, undertook a Raleigh International programme in Chile, and crewed on Round the World Challenge boats in the Solent.

In 2001, The Duchess enrolled at the University of St. Andrews, Fife, from where she graduated in 2005 with a 2:1 in History of Art. Her Royal Highness continued with her interest in sport at University, playing hockey for the University team. The Duchess first met The Duke of Cambridge when studying at the University. Since completing her degree, The Duchess has worked for Party Pieces, a company owned and run by her parents. Alongside her work for the family business, The Duchess worked in London as a part-time buyer for the clothing company Jigsaw Junior. In 2008, The Duchess launched First Birthdays, a junior brand to Party Pieces. Her role within the family business included catalogue design and production, marketing and photography. On 29 April 2011, Prince William and Miss Catherine Middleton were married at Westminster Abbey. The couple are now known as The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. On 3 December 2012, St James’s Palace released a statement that Their Royal Highnesses were pleased to announce that The Duchess of Cambridge is expecting a baby.

The Duchess’s hobbies include recreational sports such as hill walking, tennis, swimming, sailing, and the arts such as photography and painting Members Of The British Royal Family - British Monarchy Family History British Monarchy Family History Members Of The British Royal Family Image Courtesy Of David Iliff, License CC-BY-SA.30 As of September 2015 there are seventy official members of the British Royal Family. This number is made up of direct descendants of and blood relations to Queen Elisabeth II. Of these seventy individuals fifty three of them are in direct succession to the throne, seventeen by way of being a direct descendant of Queen Elisabeth II and thirty five by way of being a direct descendant of King George VI. The others on the list are those excluded because they were either born into or converted to the Catholic faith before the law changed in 2013 or they married into the family. The list of succession changes with every birth and death in the royal family and actually runs into thousands of people across the world. Found below is a list of these people along with their full birth names and official royal titles if they have one, as not all British royals are given a title or even known as his or her royal highness.

The names highlighted in purple denote those who are in direct line of succession to the throne, those not in line to the throne are highlighted in white. DIRECT DESCENDANTS OF Queen Elisabeth II Queen Elisabeth Alexander Mary and her spouse His Royal Highness Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, Baron of Greenwich and Earl of Merioneth. They have four children - His Royal Highness Prince Charles Philip Arthur George, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Chester, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland and his spouse Camilla Rosemary, Duchess of Cornwall. The prince has two sons from a previous marriage to the now deceased Lady Diana Spencer, former Princess of Wales, they are - His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis the Duke of Cambridge, Baron Carrickfergus and Earl of Strathearn and his spouse Catherine Elisabeth, Duchess of Cambridge. They have two children, Prince George Alexander Louis of Cambridge and Princess Charlotte Elisabeth Diana of Cambridge. His Royal Highness Prince Henry Charles Albert David, Prince Henry of Wales, who is more commonly known as Prince Harry.

His Royal Highness Prince Andrew Albert Christian Edward, Duke of York, Earl of Inverness and Baron Killyleagh. The Duke has two daughters from a now dissolved marriage to Lady Sarah Ferguson, the former Duchess of York, they are - Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrice of York and Her Royal Highness Princess Eugenie of York. His Royal Highness Prince Edward Antony Richard Louis, Earl of Wessex and Viscount Severn and his spouse Sophie Helen Countess of Wessex. They have two children James Alexander Philip Theo Mountbatten - Windsor, Viscount Severn and Louise Alice Elisabeth Mary Mountbatten - Windsor, Lady Louise Windsor. Her Royal Highness Princess Anne, the Princess Royal. The princess has two children from a now dissolved marriage to Captain Mark Antony Peter Philips, they are - Peter Mark Andrew Philips and his spouse Autumn Patricia. They have two daughters Savannah Anne Kathleen Philips and Isla Elisabeth Philips. Zara Anne Elisabeth Philips MBE and her spouse Micheal James Tindall MBE. They have one daughter Mia Grace Tindall.

Titles of the Prince of Wales - Google Groups Titles of the Prince of Wales Showing 1-38 of 38 messages These are the titles of the Prince of Wales: Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester - created for the heir if he is a son, or a son of the eldest son, of the sovreign Duke of Cornwall - for the person who are heir to the throne and eldest son of the sovreign Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew - for the heir to the (originally Scottish) throne As I see it these titles are granted as two packages: First Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, as his father/mother succeeds to the throne; and then Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester whenever his father/mother decides to create him so. But I wonder, in wich group to place Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland. Is it with the Duke of Rothesay - part, or with the Prince of Wales - part. And I have also heard Great Steward and *Prince* of Scotland? Is that true? On Tue, 26 May 1998, Frank H.

Johansen wrote: > > And I have also heard Great Steward and *Prince* of Scotland? Is that > true? Yes - although it is unclear whether the Celtic word translates into English as Great or High. He is also Lord of the Isles. Which, if I remember correctly, he once said was his favorite title. And do not forget, his father's so-called renunciation aside, he is technically a Prince of Greece and Denmark. -- Stephen Frank H.

Johansen ( frank.j...@hm.telia.no ) wrote: : These are the titles of the Prince of Wales: : : Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester - created for the heir if he is a : son, or a son of the eldest son, of the sovreign : : Duke of Cornwall - for the person who are heir to the throne and eldest : son of the sovreign : Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew - for the heir to : the (originally Scottish) throne : As I see it these titles are granted as two packages: First Duke of : Cornwall and Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, as his : father/mother succeeds to the throne; and then Prince of Wales and Earl : of Chester whenever his father/mother decides to create him so. But I : wonder, in wich group to place Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of : Scotland. Is it with the Duke of Rothesay - part, or with the Prince of : Wales - part. Both are Scottish titles.The style generally orders them by precedence...

"Prince of Wales,Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay,Earl of Chester and Carrick,Baron Renfrew,Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland." If his father died in his mother's lifetime,the Edinburgh dukedom would be the last dukedom,Merioneth I believe the last earldom though Philip's creation predates Charles's,etc. Yes, I know the order usually is "Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay, Earl of Chester and Carrick, Baron Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland." But Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester belongs together, Duke of Cornwall kind of stands on it own, and Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew belongs together. With that I mean that he becomes Earl of Chester at the same time as he becomes Prince of Wales, and Earl of Chester and Baron Renfrew at the same time as Duke of Rothesay. But what about Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland? When does he get these titles?

>With that I mean that he >becomes Earl of Chester at the same time as he becomes Prince of Wales, and >Earl of Chester and Baron Renfrew at the same time as Duke of Rothesay. But >what about Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland? When does he get >these titles? These, too, were automatic on his becoming heir to the throne, so he has held them since 1952. jpau...@aol.com (J Paul Jsn) wrote: >In article < 356AED88...@hm.telia.no >, "Frank H. Johansen" >>With that I mean that he >>becomes Earl of Chester at the same time as he becomes Prince of Wales, and >>Earl of Chester and Baron Renfrew at the same time as Duke of Rothesay. But >>what about Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland? When does he get >>these titles? >These, too, were automatic on his becoming heir to the throne, so he has held >them since 1952. See the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, vol. VII, p.

77, note (a), for a thorough discussion of precisely how and when these titles became associated with the oldest son of the Scottish Sovereign. William Addams Reitwiesner >Frank H. Johansen ( frank.j...@hm.telia.no ) wrote: >: These are the titles of the Prince of Wales: >: >: Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester - created for the heir if he is a >: son, or a son of the eldest son, of the sovreign >: >: Duke of Cornwall - for the person who are heir to the throne and eldest >: son of the sovreign >: Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew - for the heir to >: the (originally Scottish) throne >: As I see it these titles are granted as two packages: First Duke of >: Cornwall and Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, as his >: father/mother succeeds to the throne; and then Prince of Wales and Earl >: of Chester whenever his father/mother decides to create him so.

But I >: wonder, in wich group to place Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of >: Scotland. Is it with the Duke of Rothesay - part, or with the Prince of >: Wales - part. >Both are Scottish titles.The style generally orders them by precedence... >"Prince of Wales,Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay,Earl of Chester and >Carrick,Baron Renfrew,Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland." >If his father died in his mother's lifetime,the Edinburgh dukedom would >be the last dukedom,Merioneth I believe the last earldom though Philip's >creation predates Charles's,etc. No, the Cornwall precedence is of 1337 and the Rothesay precedence is of 1398, both of which antedate Philip's creation by a smidgen (or so). William Addams Reitwiesner Concerning the titles Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland, I think the quick answer is: They come automatically with the Dukedom of Rothesay as belonging to the heir-apparent of the Kingdom of Scotland.

William Addams Reitwiesner ( wr...@erols.com ) wrote: : l...@put.com (Louis Epstein) wrote: : >Frank H. Johansen ( frank.j...@hm.telia.no ) wrote: : >: These are the titles of the Prince of Wales: : >: : >: Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester - created for the heir if he is a : >: son, or a son of the eldest son, of the sovreign : >: : >: Duke of Cornwall - for the person who are heir to the throne and eldest : >: son of the sovreign : >: Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew - for the heir to : >: the (originally Scottish) throne : >: As I see it these titles are granted as two packages: First Duke of : >: Cornwall and Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, as his : >: father/mother succeeds to the throne; and then Prince of Wales and Earl : >: of Chester whenever his father/mother decides to create him so.

But I : >: wonder, in wich group to place Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of : >: Scotland. Is it with the Duke of Rothesay - part, or with the Prince of : >: Wales - part. : >Both are Scottish titles.The style generally orders them by precedence... : >"Prince of Wales,Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay,Earl of Chester and : >Carrick,Baron Renfrew,Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland." : >If his father died in his mother's lifetime,the Edinburgh dukedom would : >be the last dukedom,Merioneth I believe the last earldom though Philip's : >creation predates Charles's,etc. : No, the Cornwall precedence is of 1337 and the Rothesay precedence is of : 1398, both of which antedate Philip's creation by a smidgen (or so). I was referring to Earldoms. Philip was made Earl of Greenwich in 1947. Charles was created Earl of Chester in 1958.

I don't know when Carrick would draw precedence from...I know heirs apparent have been Earl of Chester since the 13th century, but they don't have one continuing patent like that of Cornwall. OK, Lets assume that Prince Charles predeceases the Queen. Which titles would William inherit? Wales - The Queen would need to create William Prince of Wales. Cornwall - Falls into abeyance as William is not eldest son of the Queen. Rothesay, Carrick, Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, Gt Steward - are these specifically for the eldest son of the monarch, or for any heir apparent? Chester - IIRC this needs to be created anew for each heir, and would probably be. Now if Prince Charles were to die leaving only a /daughter/ (not very likely I know :)) who is thus heir apparent to the throne: Both the Wales and Cornwall titles would fall into abeyance. It would be, AFAIK, up to the Queen whether to make the daughter Countess of Chester. But what would happen about the Scotish titles?

Finally is Prince of Wales limited just to heirs apparent who are also sons / grandsons of the monarch, or could, in theory, any heir apparent be made Prince of Wales? --------------- >OK, Lets assume that Prince Charles predeceases the Queen. Which >titles would William inherit? >Wales - The Queen would need to create William Prince of Wales. > >Cornwall - Falls into abeyance as William is not eldest son of the >Queen. "Abeyance" is the wrong word, as "abeyance" in relation to "peerages" has a specific technical meaning, which does not apply here. The phrase you're looking for is that the Cornwall peerage will "lapse to the Crown". >Rothesay, Carrick, Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, Gt Steward - are >these specifically for the eldest son of the monarch, or for any heir >apparent? Eldest son of the Monarch only. >Chester - IIRC this needs to be created anew for each heir, and >would probably be.

>Now if Prince Charles were to die leaving only a /daughter/ (not very >likely I know :)) who is thus heir apparent to the throne: > >Both the Wales and Cornwall titles would fall into abeyance. It would >be, AFAIK, up to the Queen whether to make the daughter Countess of >Chester. But what would happen about the Scotish titles? See above (restricted to oldest son of the Sovereign). >Finally is Prince of Wales limited just to heirs apparent who are also >sons / grandsons of the monarch, or could, in theory, any heir >apparent be made Prince of Wales? How can you have an heir apparent who is not a son or grandson of the Monarch? Above you referred to the case of a granddaughter, who would be heiress apparent, not heir apparent. Who else? William Addams Reitwiesner > >Both the Wales and Cornwall titles would fall into abeyance. It would > >be, AFAIK, up to the Queen whether to make the daughter Countess of > >Chester. But what would happen about the Scotish titles? > > See above (restricted to oldest son of the Sovereign).

I thought Mary Tudor had been created princess of Wales in her own right. Susan >>>: Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew - for the heir > to Baron of Renfrew rather than Baron Renfrew according to "Burke's Guide to the Royal Family", p. 137. It would appear that this is a Scottish feudal barony rather than the title of a Scots lord of parliament, thus the somewhat unusual appearance of a preposition in this instance (unusual, that is, not for feudal baronies, but because one might expect, apparently incorrectly, that this title would be of the same pattern as peerage titles [the article cited above says that this is a title "in the Peerage of Scotland" [and a feudal barony? I thought they were distinct.]). Richard H.B.Carruthers(-Zurowski), B.A.(Hons), Oxon. cw...@freenet.carleton.ca 34a, Acacia Avenue, Rockcliffe Park, Ontario K1M 0P4, CANADA (613) 749-3825.

paternal seize-quartiers: Zurowski, Sanocki, Karst, Puetz, Bayerle, Hoffmann, Schroeder, Zettel, Fahlmann, Doppermann, Frei, -, Ehmann, -, Reilaender, -. > Wales - The Queen would need to create William Prince of Wales. > > Cornwall - Falls into abeyance as William is not eldest son of the > Queen. > Rothesay, Carrick, Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, Gt Steward - are > these specifically for the eldest son of the monarch, or for any heir > apparent? According to the sources I have read, these are for the heir to Scotland with no limitation on whether the heir apparent is a son, grandson, or whatever. > Chester - IIRC this needs to be created anew for each heir, and > would probably be. > Again according the various sources, which I can look up if you want them, this title is tied to that of Wales - it is always the Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester. Apparently they can not be separated. -- Stephen Stillwell : >>Frank H.

Johansen ( frank.j...@hm.telia.no ) wrote: : >>: These are the titles of the Prince of Wales: : >>: : >>: Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester - created for the heir if he : >>: is a son, or a son of the eldest son, of the sovreign : >>: : >>: Duke of Cornwall - for the person who are heir to the throne and : >>: eldest son of the sovreign : >>: : >>: Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew - for the heir : >>: to the (originally Scottish) throne : >>: : >>: As I see it these titles are granted as two packages: First Duke : >>: of Cornwall and Rothesay, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, as his : >>: father/mother succeeds to the throne; and then Prince of Wales and : >>: Earl of Chester whenever his father/mother decides to create him so. : >>: But I wonder, in wich group to place Lord of the Isles and Great Steward : >>: of Scotland.

Is it with the Duke of Rothesay - part, or with the : >>: Prince of Wales - part. : >>Both are Scottish titles.The style generally orders them by : >>precedence... : >>"Prince of Wales,Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay,Earl of Chester and : >>Carrick,Baron Renfrew,Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of : >>Scotland." : >>If his father died in his mother's lifetime,the Edinburgh dukedom : >>would be the last dukedom,Merioneth I believe the last earldom though : >>Philip's creation predates Charles's,etc. : OK, Lets assume that Prince Charles predeceases the Queen. Which : titles would William inherit? : Wales - The Queen would need to create William Prince of Wales. : : Cornwall - Falls into abeyance as William is not eldest son of the : Queen. : Rothesay, Carrick, Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, Gt Steward - are : these specifically for the eldest son of the monarch, or for any heir : apparent? : Chester - IIRC this needs to be created anew for each heir, and : would probably be.

In tandem with the Principality of Wales,traditionally.Earl of Chester hasd actually been borne by heirs apparent even longer,but now they always are conferred together. : Now if Prince Charles were to die leaving only a /daughter/ (not very : likely I know :)) who is thus heir apparent to the throne: : : Both the Wales and Cornwall titles would fall into abeyance. It would : be, AFAIK, up to the Queen whether to make the daughter Countess of : Chester. But what would happen about the Scotish titles? I usually think about a daughter of William...under current rules, absent new creations,if Charles and William die in the present reign and William leaves a daughter,the daughter would be Heiress Apparent but not HRH or a Princess. : Finally is Prince of Wales limited just to heirs apparent who are also : sons / grandsons of the monarch, or could, in theory, any heir : apparent be made Prince of Wales? It is never given to heirs presumptive,and you can only be heir presumptive and not heir apparent if not descended from the Sovereign as a son or through a son.

>>Finally is Prince of Wales limited just to heirs apparent who are also >>sons / grandsons of the monarch, or could, in theory, any heir >>apparent be made Prince of Wales? > >How can you have an heir apparent who is not a son or grandson of the >Monarch? Above you referred to the case of a granddaughter, who would be >heiress apparent, not heir apparent. Who else? The specific case I had in mind was a Great grandson -- in the sources that I have seen, the title is Prince of Wales is reserved for the son or grandson of the monarch -- although this could just be sloppy wording because a great grandson as Prince of Wales has never arisen. Richard : >>Finally is Prince of Wales limited just to heirs apparent who are also : >>sons / grandsons of the monarch, or could, in theory, any heir : >>apparent be made Prince of Wales? : > : >How can you have an heir apparent who is not a son or grandson of the : >Monarch? Above you referred to the case of a granddaughter, who would be : >heiress apparent, not heir apparent. Who else?

: : The specific case I had in mind was a Great grandson -- in the sources : that I have seen, the title is Prince of Wales is reserved for the son : or grandson of the monarch -- although this could just be sloppy : wording because a great grandson as Prince of Wales has never arisen. Probably just a recording of what has happened. As noted,a great-grandDAUGHTER could be Heiress Apparent without being HRH or Princess,though I expect that the announcement of a future Princess William's pregnancy would be coupled with an extension of HRH to their children regardless of sex. What's all this about heiress apparent? Can't an heiress only be presumptive unless her parental linkage to the crown is dead (ie her mother or father, who is the daughter/son of a monarch or heir, is dead. Geoff Bryant Stillwell Stephen < iy...@jove.acs.unt.edu > writes: >Again according the various sources, which I can look up if you want them, >this title is tied to that of Wales - it is always the Prince of Wales and >Earl of Chester. Apparently they can not be separated.

Given that the titles are re-created each time, they could, of course, be separated. Once the titles lapse to the Crown, the sovereign is not obliged to follow tradition in their re-creation. Similarly, the sovereign could confer the titles "Princess of Wales and Countess of Chester" on an heiress apparent. --------------------------------------- The hypothesis is that Prince William has a daughter and then he and the Prince of Wales both die in this reign...which would leave the daughter Heiress Apparent.Under current rules,she would not be HRH or a Princess even so,but I am sure the Queen would take care of this in advance. While the present Prince of Wales(who will have held the dignity for forty years this summer) remains so,who will be Prince of Wales is an already-answered question. > What's all this about heiress apparent? Can't an heiress only be >presumptive >unless her parental linkage to the crown is dead (ie her mother or father, >who >is the daughter/son of a monarch or heir, is dead. That is correct - but that is precisely the situation which is being postulated.

>>>Finally is Prince of Wales limited just to heirs apparent who are >also >>>sons / grandsons of the monarch, or could, in theory, any heir >>>apparent be made Prince of Wales? >> >>How can you have an heir apparent who is not a son or grandson of the >>Monarch? Above you referred to the case of a granddaughter, who >would be >>heiress apparent, not heir apparent. Who else? > >The specific case I had in mind was a Great grandson -- in the sources >that I have seen, the title is Prince of Wales is reserved for the son >or grandson of the monarch -- although this could just be sloppy >wording because a great grandson as Prince of Wales has never arisen. That's right. By the way, Britain has had an heiress apparent only once since the Glorious Revolution (1688). Do you know who that was, and when she was heiress apparent?

On Sun, 31 May 1998 03:33:16 GMT, wr...@erols.com (William Addams Reitwiesner) wrote: >By the way, Britain has had an heiress apparent only once since the >Glorious Revolution (1688). Do you know who that was, and when she was >heiress apparent? It couldn't be Victoria, because as long as Queen Adelaide & King Billy could just conceivably have a child, Victoria was HP. How about the Electress Sophia? Up to her death, a month or so before Queen Anne. >By the way, Britain has had an heiress apparent only once since the Glorious Revolution (1688). Do you know who that was, and when she was heiress apparent? Would that be Princess Caroline of Wales, Daughter of George IV ? On 31 May 1998 05:09:09 GMT, rclo...@aol.com (RCLOVELY) wrote: >>By the way, Britain has had an heiress apparent only once since the Glorious >Revolution (1688).

Do you know who that was, and when she was heiress >apparent? >Would that be Princess Caroline of Wales, Daughter of > George IV ? I don't think so. George, Prince of Wales could have married again and had a son, right up to the end. In article < 3571ad36...@news.erols.com >, wr...@erols.com (William Addams Reitwiesner) writes: >By the way, Britain has had an heiress apparent only once since the >Glorious Revolution (1688). Do you know who that was, and when she was >heiress apparent? Princess (the future Queen) Anne, from 1694 until her accession in 1702. The Bill of Rights vested the Crown in William and Mary, and in the heirs of Queen Mary, or, failing that, Anne. Once Mary was dead, William III could not have fathered an heir to supersede Anne.

--------------------------------------- >On Sun, 31 May 1998 03:33:16 GMT, wr...@erols.com (William Addams >Reitwiesner) wrote: >>By the way, Britain has had an heiress apparent only once since the >>Glorious Revolution (1688). Do you know who that was, and when she was >>heiress apparent? >It couldn't be Victoria, because as long as Queen Adelaide & King >Billy could just conceivably have a child, Victoria was HP. > >How about the Electress Sophia? Up to her death, a month or so before >Queen Anne. The succession, under the Bill of Rights, was arranged in this order: 1. William and Mary, King and Queen, jointly and severally 2. On the death of one, the other reigns alone. 3. The descendants of Mary 4. Anne 5. The descendants of Anne 6. The descendants of William So after the death of Mary, on 7 January 1695, without issue, conditions 1 and 3 failed, and William succeeded under condition 2. The succession was now: 3.

Anne's descendants (i.e., the Duke of Gloucester) 4. William's descendants Anne was the Heiress Apparent, because even if William remarried and had children, they wouldn't come before Anne. After the death of the Duke of Gloucester, Parliament passed the Act of Settlement, which added Sophia and her descendants. The succession then looked like this: Anne remained Heiress Apparent until William's death, without issue, on 19 March 1702. At that point the succession became: 1. Anne Sophia was Heiress Presumptive, not Heiress Apparent, because if Anne had any further children they'd come before Sophia. So between 1695 and 1702 Anne was the Heiress Apparent of Britain. William Addams Reitwiesner rwje...@hctc.net wrote in message < 3570e2e8...@News.sig.net >...

>On Sun, 31 May 1998 03:33:16 GMT, wr...@erols.com (William Addams >Reitwiesner) wrote: >>By the way, Britain has had an heiress apparent only once since the >>Glorious Revolution (1688). Do you know who that was, and when she was >It couldn't be Victoria, because as long as Queen Adelaide & King >Billy could just conceivably have a child, Victoria was HP. > >How about the Electress Sophia? Up to her death, a month or so before >Queen Anne. The Electress Sophia could only have been Heiress Presumptive -- Queen Anne could have remarried and had another child at any point. I think it must be Queen Anne after the death of Mary II.

(If William III were to remarry, his decendents would not be eligable -- the Bill of Rights specifies the order of succession to be: William & Mary and any children, Anne, and her children, and the Electress Sophia) Richard : rwje...@hctc.net wrote in message < 3570e2e8...@News.sig.net >... On the contrary...William's children would have come between Anne's and Sophia.(Remember who his mother was!) In article < 3570e2e8...@News.sig.net >, rwje...@hctc.net writes >On Sun, 31 May 1998 03:33:16 GMT, wr...@erols.com (William Addams >Reitwiesner) wrote: >>By the way, Britain has had an heiress apparent only once since the >>Glorious Revolution (1688). Do you know who that was, and when she was >>heiress apparent? >It couldn't be Victoria, because as long as Queen Adelaide & King >Billy could just conceivably have a child, Victoria was HP. > >How about the Electress Sophia?

Up to her death, a month or so before >Queen Anne. No, because it was possible, however unlikely, right up until her death, that Queen Anne might have remarried and had a child - she was only 49 when she died. It must be Queen Anne herself, under the terms of the Act of Settlement, prior to her succession. In English law, there is a presumption, unless the contrary is proved, that a woman over the age of 55 is incapable of bearing a child. So what if Queen Anne had been not 49, but 69, when she died? Would it have been appropriate then to call Sophia heiress apparent? Presumably not, since it is only a presumption, and would need to be proved by indelicate and unlikely testimony from the Queen herself. And is the law the same in Scotland on this point? wr...@erols.com (William Addams Reitwiesner) wrote: [. .

.] >So after the death of Mary, on 7 January 1695, December 28, 1694 (at Kensington Palace, from Smallpox) is the date given in my encyclopedia, the year 1694 being confirmed by all other sources. Perhaps the January date was that of her burial at Westminster Abbey. >So between 1695 and 1702 Anne was the Heiress Apparent of Britain. So between 1694 and 1702 ...

-- David Turrell dTh San Francisco "We will refight the old wars, and again the great Achilles will be sent to Troy." -Virgil On Sun, 31 May 1998 18:36:31 GMT, d...@netcom.com (David Turrell) wrote: > wr...@erols.com (William Addams Reitwiesner) wrote: > >>So after the death of Mary, on 7 January 1695, > >December 28, 1694 (at Kensington Palace, from Smallpox) is the date >given in my encyclopedia, the year 1694 being confirmed by all other >sources. Perhaps the January date was that of her burial at Westminster >Abbey. >>So between 1695 and 1702 Anne was the Heiress Apparent of Britain. > >So between 1694 and 1702 ... My source (*Les Manuscrits du C.E.D.R.E.

- Le Royaume-Uni de Grande-Bretagne et Irlande du Nord*, 1989, volume 1, page 76) gives Queen Mary's death as 28 December 1694/7 January 1695 (Old Style/New Style). *Brewer's British Royalty*, by David Williamson, 1996, page 267 states that her funeral (burial isn't mentioned) was at Westminster Abbey on 5 March 1695 (with no hint if that's Old or New Style). So between 1694/5 and 1702 ... Yvonne >My source (*Les Manuscrits du C.E.D.R.E. - Le Royaume-Uni de >Grande-Bretagne et Irlande du Nord*, 1989, volume 1, page 76) gives Queen >Mary's death as 28 December 1694/7 January 1695 (Old Style/New Style). Thank you, Yvonne. I didn't think of the date being converted to New Style, without annotation.

Am I not safe in saying that dates before Sept. 14, 1752, in English references are virtually always given in modified Old Style - the New Year being anachronistically set at Jan. 1, rather than March 25, so casual scholars don't start screaming? My experience, at least, leads me to that conclusion. It would be appropriate for a French source, such as CEDRE to use the Gregorian, or New Style date, by default, since all of France, Lorraine excepted, had converted by that time. But what abbreviations do the French use in place of our O.S/N.S? >*Brewer's British Royalty*, by David Williamson, 1996, page 267 states that >her funeral (burial isn't mentioned) was at Westminster Abbey on 5 March >1695 (with no hint if that's Old or New Style). It's most likely modified Old Style, as explained above. The date of Mary II's funeral would have been recorded by her contemporaries as 5 March 1694, although not necessarily using that format.

Oh, but that was a long time to wait before putting her in the ground, if that is what "funeral" implies. And, yes, my Encyclopedia Britannica does say she was buried in the Abbey. >So between 1694/5 and 1702 ... The notation "1694/5" indicates uncertainty about the year, which isn't the case. If you want to include the New Style date, as well as indicate its subordination to the preferred modified Old Style, a better way would be "1694, 1695 N.S." -- >As I understand it,dates between January 1 and March 25 were usually >double-dated in Old Style, Highly unlikely as a rule, I would think. Do you have an example? You are talking about original documents, and not the annotation in some modern reference? >as one began the civil year and the other >the legal year,or some such dichotomy. The civil year is the "legal" year.

In England between the 7th and 12th centuries it began on Christmas Day; between the 12th century and 1752, on the Annunciation (March 25th). What's called the "historical year" began on January 1st; but it was not, as far as I know, anything more than the year according to modern convention. However, the Golden and Solar numbers were incremented on January 1st throughout the middle ages. The liturgical year began on the First Sunday in Advent (circa November 30th). It still does. : >As I understand it,dates between January 1 and March 25 were usually : >double-dated in Old Style, : Highly unlikely as a rule, I would think. Do you have an example? You : are talking about original documents, and not the annotation in some : modern reference? I have no pre-1752 documents myself,but the steady implication is that the double date was contemporary. : >as one began the civil year and the other : >the legal year,or some such dichotomy. : : The civil year is the "legal" year.

In England between the 7th and 12th : centuries it began on Christmas Day; between the 12th century and 1752, : on the Annunciation (March 25th). : : What's called the "historical year" began on January 1st; but it was : not, as far as I know, anything more than the year according to modern : convention. However, the Golden and Solar numbers were incremented on : January 1st throughout the middle ages. There was some particular name for the calendar year beginning January 1. >: >As I understand it,dates between January 1 and March 25 were usually >: >double-dated in Old Style, >: Highly unlikely as a rule, I would think. Do you have an example? You >: are talking about original documents, and not the annotation in some >: modern reference? >I have no pre-1752 documents myself,but the steady implication is >that the double date was contemporary. Not at all.

The doubling of the year is a statement by the scholar who examined the document that he is aware of the potential for confusion (what with the differences in the years), and that he has determined which version the document in question used, and that it falls into *this* particular spot for confusion. You'll find the double year in scholarly papers, but you won't find it in original documents. William Addams Reitwiesner Baron of Renfrew (title) - Wikipedia, Photos and Videos Baron of Renfrew (title) NEXT GO TO RESULTS [51 .. 100] WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE Present holder The Prince Charles Baron of Renfrew is a dignity held by the heir apparent to the British throne, currently Prince Charles . [1] It was held by the Scottish heir apparent beginning in 1404. It is closely associated with the title Duke of Rothesay . An act of the Scottish Parliament passed in 1469 confirmed the pattern of succession.

[2] Renfrew , a town near Glasgow , is sometimes called the "cradle of the royal Stewarts." In Scotland, barons hold feudal titles, not peerages : a Scottish lord of Parliament equates to an English or British baron. Some, however, claim that the Act of 1469 effectively elevated the Barony of Renfrew to the dignity of a peerage. [3] Others suggest that the barony became a peerage upon the Union of the Crowns in 1603. Finally, some scholars argue that the uncertainty surrounding the text of the 1469 Act leaves the barony as only a feudal dignity, not a peerage dignity. [4] The title of Lord Renfrew was used by the traveling Prince of Wales, later King Edward VII [5] and Prince Edward, Duke of Rothesay , later King Edward VIII and Duke of Windsor, when he traveled in a private capacity or when he wished to pay visits 'incognito'.

[6] Heir apparent RootsWeb: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L Re: Renfrew Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:50:19 +0000 John P. McWilliams wrote: > > In the mid 1800s, the Prince of Wales visited the Mid-West for a bit of shooting. > > I recall reading that he was travelling incognito, and used the name Baron > Renfrew. Or perhaps there was a real such man who was, perhaps, his adult > protector (I believe the Prince was in his teens at the time). There was such a man > in the party; and maybe theres an official title or name (something fancier than > guardian?). > And what historical connection would the royal family had with Renfrew, the place, > as opposed to Renfrew, the man? > John McWilliams The Prince of Wales is Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, and Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland.

It is quite Common for people to use a subsidiary title. The Tzar used Count de Nord, while I believe that the present POW has been know to call himself Charley Chester. Renfrew was made a Royal Burgh by David I who granted it to Walter the High Steward. The property stayed with Walter's descendants who became the Stewart kings, and the title still stays with the Prince of Wales. Edward Andrews St Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland Visit our Web site

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