input: Text: Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee this morning. We've received no apologies for absence. Can I ask if there are any declarations of interest from Members, please? No. Okay, thank you. Item 2 this morning is the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 proceedings. I'm pleased to welcome Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services; Karen Cornish, deputy director, children and families division at Welsh Government; and Emma Gammon, lawyer for Welsh Government. Thank you for attending this morning and welcome to the committee. I'm just going to run through the procedures that we're going to follow now. As I said, the purpose of the meeting is to undertake Stage 2 proceedings on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill. For these proceedings, Members should have copies of the marshalled list of amendments, the groupings of the amendments for debate and the voting order for the amendments. The marshalled list of amendments is the list of all amendments tabled, marshalled into the order in which the sections appear in the Bill. The order in which we consider amendments will be the default order—that is, sections 1 to 3 and the long title. You will see from the groupings list that amendments have been grouped to facilitate debate. However, the order in which they're called and moved for decision is dictated by the marshalled list. Members will, therefore, need to follow the two papers, although I will advise Members when I call them whether they're being called to speak in the debate or to move their amendments for a decision. There will be one debate on each group of amendments. Members who wish to speak in a particular group should indicate to me in the usual way. I will call the Deputy Minister to speak on each group. For the record, in accordance with the convention agreed by the Business Committee, as Chair I will move amendments in the name of the Deputy Minister. For expediency, I will assume that the Deputy Minister wishes me to move all of her amendments
  Question: Summarize their discussions on amendment 11 and 12 that relate to the duty to ensure sufficient funding.
  Answer:
output: This discussion started with Janet Finch-Saunders and Janet Finch-Saunders spoke to both amendments in this group. She said the reason she wanted these two amendments be there because she genuinely did not believe that the Deputy Minister had envisioned what or even estimated the likely cost to be borne by the organizations, and certainly their local authorities and health boards and impact of the Bill was going to have. Then the Deputy Minister responded to this. She said they had done a thorough and extremely diligent job of considering the potential impacts of the Bill before introduction. She thought all the evidence had shown that they did not anticipate that there would be a huge increase of a demand for funding, so she encouraged members to reject these amendments, which she thought were not necessary. At last, they took a vote on amendments 11 and 12, and ended up with rejecting amendments 11 and 12, and agreeing with amendment 4 and 5.