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[G Tablet General] absorbers:
I am assured that all our expectations will be rewarded :)
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I wouldn't bet on that. If the Woot users have 3991, it will be more like pain. Enormous amounts of PAIN. :eek:
[G Tablet General] absorbers:
Let's be optimists :)
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I'm a sysadmin. Optimists do not go far in that line of work. :)
[G Tablet General] bobtran:
Yup, madness lies at the end of that road.

As for 3991, No pain....no gain, bring on the pain killers, I'm ready...of course you are the one that's going to need massive doses of tranquilizers after this if you are right about the wootsters. But, that would also be an answer to our dilemma.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
The Woot devices seem to be build 3389, via early reports. Good for the Wooters and good for my sanity. But not good for this mod - I still don't know what to do with it, yet.

TapnTap had at least one Sunday release, so I'm waiting until at least tomorrow afternoon. If it's still up in the air, I might still activate TTx again with the usual warnings. I might even port if over to Slatedroid so that XDA can clearly separate itself from this mod in case of soft-brickage.

I still need to re-write the docs first, of course.
[G Tablet General] 185driver:
Stock 3991 Download Source?

I've been searching for an active source to download the stock 3991 recovery image but am striking out. The tapntap URL mentioned in the General section seems dead. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Yeah, they pulled it! That's very bizarre - it was definitely there a week ago.

I've never seen them pull a non-released firmware before .... PM me if you still need it and I'll post it somewhere. I definitely don't to advertise the ROM -- I've already gotten more than a few complaints about that firmware and I don't want to make things worse. :)

That's not a good sign (for this mod, I mean). Maybe it leaked to a few devices via OTA and bricked some stuff. UAT's have leaked before - I saw this myself with at least two of them.
[G Tablet General] Morantz:
I just tried to go to the SlateDroid site and can't get there. {Edit : Site came up 10 minutes later...}

Where do you see releases and such at VS? I'd love to be able to puruse their downloads...
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
You can't see them. But, since the naming conventions seem to be the same, you can run a script to scan their URL for new updates. right now I'm scanning between 3992 and 4500 in the build name (since we know 3991 existed, 3992 would be the next number up).

I use a ruby script -- here's what I run:

#!/usr/bin/ruby

$i = 3992;
$num = 4500;

until $i > $num do
system("wget http://tapntap.http.internapcdn.net/tapntap/viewsonic/update-smb_a1002-#{$i}-user.zip")
$i +=1;
sleep 1
end

I take no credit for this, someone else created it and I tweaked it. All I do is change those first two numbers, and then I let it run.
[G Tablet General] Morantz:
Still a nice solution! Thank you for sharing it! Also a "Super Thanks!!!" for everything else you do for us!
[G Tablet General] CARMELHILL:
Please educate me. I know OTA is over the air, but what is Woot and UAT? Thanks.
[G Tablet General] joe2262:
Woot is a web site that has different deals each day, nearly grabbed a 2nd gtab myself at 280. Anyway, it's at woot.com

UAT is software that's being tested before it's released. Try google.

EDIT: Sorry, UAT - user acceptance testing
[G Tablet General] hikouka71:
previously on "adventures with g-tab..."

so as a summary and to make sure i'm not missing anything for when my gtab shows up tomorrow

unbox and charge

get nvflash

get adb (already have for my evo)

get ota 3588 update

stay with stock/go to tntlite

try to wait patiently for Tnt5/TTX...

that about right roebeet?
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
5 and 6 are whatever you want to do, of course. There are more mods out there than TNT Lite. Many people are big fans of VEGAN 5.1.x, for example.
[G Tablet General] hikouka71:
right, but i gotta start somewhere correct? lol
[G Tablet General] reacheks:
Camera.apk in TwoTaps 5.00

I completed update 5.00 from the stock 3558. Everything works fine EXCEPT I have noticed that the Camera.apk running as a system application program is set to take "reversed" image pictures only.

I am not sure if this is the default setting for the Gtablet but with their front mounted camera all captured images seem to be reversed (The Galaxy Tab has the same issue). Other Tablet models that have two cameras do not seem to have this problem. I have not found any setting in the application that allows the image to be reversed (or mirrored).

What's the best way to create a "mirror image" of the captured picture in this APK?

There was discussion that the "build.prop" file in the /system directory could be modified to include a specific camera.apk setting to reverse the image when captured. If so, how is this done?

EKS
[G Tablet General] astevens54:
roebeet, thanks for your efforts. I am pulling TnT 5.01 off of my wife gtab. Great ROM, but I don't get the feeling that it will continue to be supported. I returned her to stock while my for the moment remains 5.01. Hopefully Honeycomb will be released soon. Are you gong to develop from Honeycomb once the source code is released?
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I think this is the doing of 3991's libs. It fixes the rotation issue, but does this mirror instead (I think). Not sure which is worse, to be honest - I'm thinking the mirror is worse. EDIT: It is.

I might revert in gADAM 1.4 anad maybe a TNT Lite 4.3.3, but I have to confirm that the libs are the issue. EDIT: It is.

I understand 100% and it's why I wrote backout instructions (keep in mind that it's not 100% effective - most of the time it works, but I have had soft bricks as well. Have nvflash ready-to-go, just in case).

I honestly don't know what's going to happen. 3991 UAT getting pulled from TapnTap Inc's URL is probably NOT a good sign, as well as their delay in getting this new firmware to us. I'm wondering if their trying to revert to the old bootloader, to avoid their own soft-brickage. But, maybe I'm just looking into this too much. But what I can tell you is that, if they completely stick with the new bootloader, TwoTapsX is going to replace TNT Lite 4. The latter will be retired, I'm not keeping both of these long term.

The HC question is a tricky one - I tried to port SDK and the Xoom image already, but failed miserably. I still want to see HC on this device - but Google is really being a PITN with delaying AOSP. I was hoping that, if someone can get this working on any Harmony device, we should be able to port it here.
[G Tablet General] truthkillszz:
kinda disappointed you discontinued tnt5 i was really looking forward to trying it out. you should still offer it to people who do know what they are doing but just not on a public thread.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I have considered it, but that's what this thread was for - users were still clogging the IRC with problems.

Especially given the onslaught of Woot! users, I'd prefer to keep this on ICE. I'm also starting to think that this new bootloader might be getting killed, so I'd prefer that no other users get added until we know for sure, given the headaches with backout.
[G Tablet General] joe2262:
I'm still using TTX .9.0.2 and liking it. But... it appears as if the wind is blowing the other way.
[G Tablet General] proneck321:
It is very commendable to hold your ground, as so many have come to embrace your work and support almost blindly. Foresight is half (maybe 2/3) the battle. Hopefully everyone appreciates that. (also glad i grabbed 5.0 before it was pulled! )
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I'm thinking it is. Two weeks ago I was fairly sure this was their route, but I can't fathom why they are holding back this 3991 (or higher). It's a solid release and SO much better than 3588 stock, imo.

I'm really not holding my ground at all - actually its the exact opposite. If it were really and truly up to me, TNT Lite 4 would have NEVER been re-released and TNT Lite 5 would have never been pulled. I would left TNT Lite 5 as-is and, for about a week, I did stand my ground. But eventually the amount of soft bricks and user pressure forced me to pull it. And I'm still not happy about it, but it's done now. At least I'm not getting hate mail anymore (yeah, I was getting a few of those before).

(rant continues) what also bugs me is that I thought that risk was part of what XDA was all about - I mean, it has "Developers" in the name! And I've seen other mods here and elsewhere which seem just as risky. But, in hindsight, if I hadn't pulled it before, I probably would have had a horrible mess on my hands if Woot! users started using it and didn't read the instructions - it's really the ONLY reason why I haven't reactivated this yet.

I am still considering moving this particular mod to Slatedroid, with the usual "high risk" mantra. That way, techy users who want it know where to get it and XDA can disavow all knowledge of it. I'm still thinking it over.
[G Tablet General] astevens54:
I for one, appreciate his work and understand his approach. Looking across the forums I see his contributions in a couple ROMs and look for to see what he can do with HC 3.0.
[G Tablet General] notwen:
The following thoughts are coming from someone who bricked their G-Tab attempting to back out from TNT Lite 5.0.1.

I think your work is fantastic, I've only had the pleasure of using TNTL since 3.1.2, but have flashed often. I've tried the majority of the ROMs out there for the G-Tab and I've always came back to TNT-Lite. Your support is top-notch and always very clear of any issues up-front.

I wouldn't worry about all of the users who brick their tablets, as they should have read the entire post. I'm fairly certain you're going to see disclaimers on every thread regarding a ROM on any device; if the end user can't understand what this means then they should not be attempting the process to begin with. Looking foward to see the many things you've got in store for us down the line. =]
[G Tablet General] wheeless:
Roebeet:

I think you've been admirable in your restraint and kindness to those who - however frustrated they may have been - treated you poorly when you have been doing all of us a great kindness with your work advancing the usability of the GTab.

Also hope that if you move TwoTapsX over to Slatedroid that you'll be able to give us at least one notice that you've done that. The only Android site I routinely watch is XDA (sorry to admit my smartphone is from that fruit company) - so I'd hate to keep looking here to find the latest when the latest has moved somewhere else.

Thanks again for your creative developments and your patience.
[G Tablet General] karlkarloff:
Hey Roebeet,

Just wanted to let you know, after running TTx since it came out and recently backing out and going to TnT 4.3.2, TTx is way better! Other than the occasional screen artifact, everything about it was way better. I hope that even if VS doesn't release 3991 you continue to work on this ROM. In my opinion it is leaps and bounds ahead of the others. Keep up the good work sir!
[G Tablet General] absorbers:
Somebody who still heave TwoTapsX (TnT 5) make please quick video review of this ROM. Please!
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I would link back from here to there and give notice, no worries. This thread would still exist, if I kept it alive.

I agree! I thought 3991 was a major improvement for them.

I'm hoping that, even if they pull the bootloader, that they at least manage to keep all the enhancements. That way, TNT Lite 5.1.0 / 6.0 would replace TwoTapsX and be "better" than it. We we see.
[G Tablet General] gpence61:
Just curious -- are you seeing any video issues with Launcher Pro Plus and TTx? I have been using LP with 4.x and LOVED it, but was seeing a lot of complaints about it on ver 5/TTx .9

Thanks,

gpence61
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I heard it had some video glitches and I saw the same thing in my tests. It could be the newer Nvidia drivers, which means TNT Lite 4.3.0+ would have the same issue.
[G Tablet General] Butch1326:
gpence61,

I've been using TTx .9(+) with LauncherPro since the day it was released. I even tested the pre-release versions under the TnT Lite branch. I haven't had any issues with the combination. This has been the best rom to date.

From what I read, most folks are seeing white dashes from time to time at the top or bottom of the screen. The belief is that this issue is related to the updated NVIDIA drivers included with the 3991 firmware update. We saw this early on back in the November/December timeframe when a customized TnT Performance pack was made available which included updated NVIDIA drivers.
[G Tablet General] joe2262:
Yes, and I've heard froom another user with a different third party launcher getting them also. Really not that bad though.
[G Tablet General] bobtran:
I have used LauncherPro since TnT-lite 2.2 up through TTx .9.02 and have not had any real issues with it...although I have seen a few of the lines that have been mentioned (usually when closing an app and returning to the home screen...only occurs where the bottom of the notification bar and the desktop meet).

This ROM is truly a work of art....sad that it will probably go by the way side, we can only hope that Viewsonic makes up its mind and puts us all out of our indecision.

Still running .9.02 (loving it) and plan to continue to run it until I see a notice that moving to 4.4.x is required. I'm still hoping that it will not be necessary but realistically, I feel that it probably will.

Nenamark: Benchmarked at 43.60, #2 Gtab benchmark.
[G Tablet General] Dawg Fan:
9.02

I just updated from 5.0.1 to TwoTapsX 9.02. No problems so far. Thanks Roebeet.

Just benchmarked at 46.3 on Nenamark. That's the #1 benchmark on their website for TwoTapsX.
[G Tablet General] blasturd:
Firstly, thank you, roebeet! I'm a sysadmin myself, and I must say, wow, you are way too nice and helpful. LOL. To answer practically every single question posed by us noobs is incredible. Role model material.

Got my 10 posts in so I can finally post my gtab experience.

I just backed out of TwoTapsX with latest supplement installed. It was running good until I installed WeatherBug Elite, after that, it would constant force close any application started after lock screen, essentially bricked. I'm not sure what caused this, but it lead me to backing out of TTX, and eventually into TnT Lite 4.4.0.

I'll list my problems with TTX first:

Occasional video glitches when switching or opening apps, like small flat snowflakes, they would go away once the app had opened or switched. It was very subtle, and didn't bother me.

Could not install any other keyboards. Would not allow me to enable them in settings.

Some 3D games would require switching to the home screen then back to the game after launching the game. Otherwise the game would stick at the load screen. Switching to another app, and then back, somehow lets the game get past the load screen.

Wifi with my dlink dir-655 is flakey, I had to set a static ip. At work, the wifi works great.

No other problems with TwoTapsX. I was using LauncherPro Plus and a number of scrollable widgets with no problems.

------------

For reference: here's how I backed out of TTX:

Note, I have never installed CWM. I went from stock to OTA 3588, to TTX 5, to TTX 5.0.1, to TTX 5.0.2 (or whatever the last supplement was called, I see 9.0.2 sometimes?).

I used the TTX recovery to flash the TnT Lite 4.3.0 Rom. Of course, my recovery was non-functional after that, so I side loaded the terminal emulator, ran "su", ran "fixrecovery.sh", and then booted.

I then used that recovery to install TnT Lite 4.4.0 Rom.

Had a lot of force-closes at this point, but I knew I had still had to flush everything.

I then ran the "cwmrecovery.sh" script. Rebooted into CWM recovery, flushed caches, reset to factory, re-partitioned to 2048/0, and rebooted.

Working great at this point.

I haven't seen the video glitch on this rom, but I don't have a lot of time into it, yet. Still can't enable alternate keyboard, oh well.

Loved both ROMs, but will stick with TnT Lite until the un-forking.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I called CS about the keyboard addon issue again

At least it's documented - we've had this issue since Day One with TNT (Lite) so I keep hoping that the TapnTap devs will eventually do something about it. Here's hoping!
[G Tablet General] proneck321:
successful swap

Just wanted to say thanks for the clear and concise instructions once again! wanted to back out of two taps to tnt lite just to check out 4.4 for a while, and it was as smooth as could be. Didnt even have to wipe any data or clear cache. No FC's and running smooth. Must say i look forward to see which way this goes.....:)
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Viewsonic is trying my patience, that's for sure. I scan every day, and every day I'm disappointed. Where's the new firmware release???? arrghghghghghgh :D
[G Tablet General] hikouka71:
did you try sending a pm to the "official" viewsonic user on here? maybe they can give you some idea wahts goin on?
[G Tablet General] racedog:
I'm running 5.0 and it was doing fine so didn't want to go back. My wife uses the gtab to play solitaire and after her last game venture I'm in a bit of a pickle. When the gtab boots up it boots up normally and comes up to the lock screen. I have LauncherPro set as the default launcher and as soon as you slide the lock bar to release the tab starts throwing up tons of launcher pro force closes. As fast as you can hit the close buttons that come up, new ones come flying up at you. I can't even close the gtab down except by holding the power button down since I can't get to the box with the close on it because the force close notices just pile up on top of it.

I honestly dont remember if I have a backup on the SD but since I used the update.zip to lay down 5.0 I suppose it made one BUT, I'm afraid to use it because of the bootloader issue and I didn't want to make things worse.

What is the best way to handle this? Should I grab the 5.0 update.zip and just flash it again? Should I try to go backwards. Where do I go from here? Any help appreciated..

R
[G Tablet General] proneck321:
from my experiences... the bootloader in 5.0 would clear cache for me, however made my whole system unstable... tried with the CWMod hack for 5.0 and had the same issues. I simply reflashed my 5.0, used the VS bootloader to clear data, and reloaded my apps with titanium.

If you chose to back out ( cwmod works well with TNT lite and you wouldnt need a reflash in this rom most likely) follow roe's directions explicitly in the first post to back out, load 4.3, fix the bootloader (easy), and upgrade to 4.4 ..... there is a post in here recently from someone who listed their back-out expirience if you get lost.

ps- i never used launcher pro, never had that bad of an issue... that is most likely your problem. do you see screen glitches also?
[G Tablet General] blasturd:
Hmmm. I bet the problem was LauncherPro, too. What he describes is the same thing I experienced (as I described a few posts back, also using LauncherPro). I blamed weatherbug elite, since that was the last thing I installed, but that probably had nothing to do with it. I saw the screen glitches when this happened. Lines on the screen would briefly move between each and every force-close button press, like this was all happening during a frame buffer operation.

I knew something was up when, right after booting and swiping the lock screen, it asked me which launcher to use as default. Naturally, I picked LauncherPro and that was when the force-closes started to continually pop up, one after the other. Now I'm debating whether or not to continue using LauncherPro. I suppose I'll be ok as long as I remember to not pick LauncherPro as default if it ever asks me again after booting.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Also consider a data wipe? Might help.

If you want to reflash and need TTx .9 (which is the same thing as TNT Lite 5 , just a name changes, shoot me a PM and I'll send you the link. It's still around, I just removed the links from here to avoid new users from using it. 1.2 to 1.2 firmware flashing should be very safe to do, not any less risky than a 1.1 to 1.1 firmware flash.

As for the VS user question, I gave up on that ID after my last PM was never responded to. I also tweeted VS and no update yet.
[G Tablet General] bobtran:
I've been using LauncherPro plus v0.8.3 (paid for version) since TnT-lite 2.2 and have had no problems with this app at all (I have seen the lines at the notification bar as mentioned in previous posts, but that is the extent of my issues and they have occurred rarely)....not so sure that you are correct in blaming this app....try reloading from Titanium or download new and try again.

I can use the launcher switcher to go from stock to launcher pro plus and visa-versa...no issues. Currently using TTx .9.02 for my ROM.
[G Tablet General] racedog:
Used the suggestion to wipe cache and I did a reset and the gtab was able to boot since launcher pro was now gone. So is everything else. I went to the market and a lot of stuff isn't showing up there now. I was going to reload Dolphin and it doesn't show in the market. I did the market cache wipe and still nothing. Any fix for this?

Also, is anyone running a launcher that does work with this build? I'm not putting launcher pro back on and was wondering if anyone is using ADW or something else the does work.

Also, I was getting light glitches and now after the reset I'm not seeing them.

R
[G Tablet General] joe2262:
Launcher Pro Plus :p
[G Tablet General] bobtran:
ADW caused problems for me which is why I changed to LauncherPro Plus back at TnT-lite 2.2 . You should reconsider your stand on LauncherPro (plus version works perfectly with all versions of Tnt-lite and TnT-lite 5.0 through TTX .9.02)....you are clearly having other issues that most likely caused your launcher issues but to each their own. Best of luck with what ever you decide to do.

Remember that "you get what you pay for" and when you go free there can be issues that do not exist in the paid versions. Sometimes its worth a few bucks to get the apps you use most (most apps are less than $5).
[G Tablet General] idocinthebox:
I use ADW Launcher and TNT lite 5.02 with no problems, absolutly stable from day one.
[G Tablet General] racedog:
LauncherPro is one of the MANY apps that I can't get to show up in the market now. So I guess before I do anything I need to get the market running again. I did a search in this forum for a fix but didn't come up with anything.

Right now I can't get Dolphin or LauncherPro, or, it seems, much of anything to come up when I do a search for them in the market.

I'm willing to pay, that's not an issue, but my market seems to be badly broken right now and that IS a major issue. This is only happening now that I've done a reset from the recovery that came with 5.0. I no longer have CWD installed. I did install ROM Manager but I'm afraid to use that to install CWD because of the issues with this version of the OS.

R
[G Tablet General] Butch1326:
I applied the change in the build.prop from this recommendation. I get more market apps including an updated version of LauncherPro that fixes the snowflake effect (white dashes in the display).

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1020130
[G Tablet General] racedog:
That worked! Gave you a "thanks" click and my appreciation.

R
[G Tablet General] blasturd:
LauncherPro can also be downloaded direct from the developers website. Then install through side load. Then plug in your activation code to activate paid version.
[G Tablet General] bkbrod:
I have always see the free version of Launcher Pro, incentive like version 2 something of TNT. On TWO TAPS now and no problems.
[G Tablet General] kozmo2k4:
Try the VTLauncher (VeganTabLauncher) by gojimi, you can find it on this (XDA gTablet-development) forum. Works like a champ on TnTLite. My favorite had been Zeam, until I tried VTL.

ROM Manager is a great app, except it does not play nice with our tablet, so be careful with it.

How are the apps on Amazon Market? Haven't played with it yet, but intent to.