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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sass86:
Before we get any further, you would pull your hair out with boost mobile speeds, its just plain awful lol

But back to the contract thing, they only guarantee that for the term of the contract. After the term is up, either party can negotiate new terms or cancel service. I agree its not fair because the company is what it is because of the people who paid for it, and they should be rewarded, not penalized. Problem is AT&T is a greedy conglomerate and doesn't even provide quality customer service, do you honestly think they care about their subscribers? They care about bottom line and stockholders. Hence the reason they would rather spend 39 billion to become the only GSM provider nationally, instead of spending ≈14 billion to upgrade their network.

I piss excellence
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sfate2009:
While i agree totally with both your statements, for me its not about the speeds, its about the ability to be unlimited, in its very clear definition. I would also be willing to jump ship if i had not had the same number since 1998. with that said, i know i can just have my number ported , but somebody has to stand up to these corporate assholes who run the world today,. not even our own government runs itself anymore, corporate america does it for them. I also agree totally, an unlimited plan is a necessity for smartphones, whatever the price may be, im happy paying for it, and should be able to use it to the full extent of my phone. those who arent happy , need not buy into it, as they havent before. simplicity at its finest.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schoralous:
One word - B*LLSH*T!

Doesn't fit in the slightest. You are trying to equate something that was gratis with something that is a paid for agreement. This is not about any kind of whacked sense of entitlement. This is about getting what was agreed to and being paid for.

AT&T didn't give me unlimited data out of the goodness of their hearts, I bought it. I didn't take it for free and then get pissy when it was taken away. I bought a specific service and expect that contract to be honored.

I bought an Unlimited Data Plan. Period.

I see you saying the data rates they now want to charge are communistic and the way they are handling this is wrong, then out of the other side of your mouth ragging on supposed bandwidth abusers.

Fact of the matter is there are no bandwidth abusers. Every one of those people bought and paid for a specific service that they are now not getting. If AT&T had waited and honored my contract to it's end then told me they would not renew it as written (aka renegotiation), that would have been fine. I would not have liked it but at least it would not have been a criminal breach of contract on their part.

It's not your place or anyone elses to say what is or is not 'reasonable' bandwidth users. We are not all clones and while you may not use a lot of bandwidth, you are not everyone nor is everyone you.

We bought an unlimited service for a reason, because it was UNLIMITED and that was what we needed. Not my fault AT&T can't plan and deploy their network better to provide the service they actually sold.

Get off your high judgmental horse.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pukemon:
Lmao. And still laughing.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pyr0dud3:
You're my kinda guy pukemon. I agree 100%.

When our trillion $ debt turns the "American Dream" to the American nightmare, I don't think anyone will care much about unlimited anything when they don't know where the next meal will come from.

Sent from my CM7
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sfate2009:
Lets try and stay on the topic at hand

And you want to eliminate debt, get rid of alcohol and sell weed like you do tobacco..

Again not our fault people make stupid choices, im not suffering for your ignorance. I can promise that!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] amandagal:
This post to have veered off topic, but I wanted to add myself to the list. I got sent a text and snail mail about tethering. I have an original unlimited plan, and I've tethered exactly once in the last six months. I used Barnacle. It was recently because my computer wasn't logging on to my network and I wanted to see if it would log on to another network. I hardly did anything (surfed to a webpage and checked my email).

I'm not a heavy data user either, though I recently did get Hulu+. My data use is still under 2 GBs.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crossix:
Has anyone been served that doesnt have an unlimited plan? I dont tether but I do share my internet with my netbook quite often. I dont use anything but the stock wifi sharing app, no custom apns or anything. Im on the 2gb/mo. plan and havnt gotten served yet but I also dont ever go over my 2gb limit.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schoralous:
That is tethering my friend :) You are tethering.

Good Luck
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
I think it would be helpful if folks stated what region state that they live in if they got a notice. Perhaps this is rolling out by region.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cs2818:
I got the notice via mail today. I don't tether, but used more data (2GB) than I usually do (0.5GB) last month. I'm on an unlimited plan with an Atrix, living in south-east Texas.

I honestly think this is part of the plan to eliminate the "unlimited" plan users.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crossix:
By At&ts definition it might be, but not by mine nor the rest of the world.

Webster's Tether:

1 : something (as a rope or chain) by which an animal is fastened so that it can range only within a set radius

2 : the limit of one's strength or resources

3: to fasten or restrain by or as if by a tether

Last time I checked.. I'm not "tethering" by any of those definitions. If at&t wants to redefine words that's fine, but as far as myself and my lawyer are concerned I'm simply using my device under fair use with what functions it came with to lawfully redirect my data through my phone and making it act as a repeater of data. I'm not physically attaching anything to my phone nor am I voiding my original contract that I signed with at&t many years ago.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slimslim:
So you say they mailed you for using 2 + 0.5 = 2.5 GB in a month? I usually go 2-3 GB every month. I didn't get nothing yet, and I hope I won't!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pukemon:
You dont have to be physically attached to be tethered. And when you use your phone as a modem its not repeating data. That what a bridge is.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] multimedialeech:
i think this is 100% the plan. I tried to call and explain the i used only pandora and netflix and didnt tether like others had claimed but was told there is no way to remove the flag from your account. I'm in MD btw
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sass86:
I feel as though users without unlimited data should be able to tether regardless. Every gb after the first 2 is $10/gb anyway. If they actually use the 4gbs its the same price! Requiring a tethering plan to need 4gbs is absurd. They do that because they know the average user doesn't use more than 2 gbs.

I piss excellence
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pukemon:
Even though we all have mixed feelings about data plans looking at it from a corporate perspective i think the carriers could make more money if they priced it right. $10 is way too high for overage. Forget the fact that if you go over 1 MB its still $10. For those of you that cant see your plan is going to change sooner or later or you will get dropped by X carrier. It'd probably be more profitable to charge a flat $20 data rate for 2 gigs or so and then $3 per gig. Tethered or no tether. Atnt probably being the worst of the evil mizer of the dollar is making us become mizers on data. But priced right going over would stifle that and people would probably use more with little concern.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k0sun7eash3d:
This news certainly comes as a slap in the face to all the grandfathered unlimited users that have been putting up with AT&T's BS business practices since they signed up.

It was bad enough that they had to go an throttle the select 5% after October, likely without giving us a heads up or any means of verification proving we are indeed in that top 5%, but now they're finding other ways to stick it to us. I'm more apt to believe that the few reps that stated bluetooth audio streaming counted as tethering were just untrained chimps that didn't know what they were talking about however.

What we need now is the second coming of Irwin Proud. Since this is in an Atrix forum, I'm sure more than a few of you are aware of him, but in case you aren't, he was the individual who spearheaded the unlock Moto campaign that helped to free our bootloaders.

We need to band together on more public forums and petitions to show wireless carriers that we can't just be pushed around and overcharged for these kinds of services. Ones I specifically want to target are:

1. UNLIMITED should truly mean unlimited. By definition, it means infinite; having no restrictions. It's bad enough they get away with their "4G" branding, they should not be able to rewrite the American dictionary. It isn't the consumers fault they decided to call it unlimited.

2. Tethering for the unlimited plans, I can see where there can be a problem with it. I am currently on the unlimited plan, but I do not abuse the tethering. I pay for my home internet service separately, and don't just feed it all through my mobile. However, if you are currently on a tiered plan such as the 200MB or 2GB, you should be allowed to tether regardless of having their additional 4GB+tethering plan. You are paying for your capped data, and should be allowed to use it as you see fit. If you go over your limit, you should be subjected to overage fees at a FAIR rate. $10/additional GB is insane. With Youtube, Netflix and Hulu becoming widely available on the mobile scene, carriers need to understand that their bandwidth pricing model is quickly becoming outdated and consumption will only continue to grow.

3. SMS Messaging needs to be looked at closely. Most XDA-minded individuals know that SMS is the biggest ripoff carriers get away with today. Text messages eat up a negligible amount of carrier resources, yet they charge us like it means the world to them. I recently read an article that AT&T has begun to offer an international messaging plan for the price of $50/500 messages. How is that even fair? That would end up costing more than their 4GB data plan, and with that, you could send way more than 500 messages internationally.

I believe that if we can come together as well as we did when fighting for our unlocked bootloaders, AT&T and the other big wireless companies will have no choice but to listen.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sass86:
See that's just the thing, I think they prefer getting paid for making us pay for more than we need, its win win for them! They get more money while giving less data! How many people with tethered plans do you think reach the four gigs?

I piss excellence
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pukemon:
I agree messaging is a ripoff. Locally. But the pricing does change when you cross borders and especially oceans. The carriers within a region/country probably have some fair use agreements when it comes to roaming but there is a small cost for international stuff. But yeah, damn carriers are try to handcuff our wrists to our ankles aaaaaand try and TELL us that we should like it. Unfkn real. But a big part of the problem is the cheapskates that want subsidized phones instead of buying them outright. If more people bought unlocked phones the prices of phones aaaaand service would be cheaper, competitive and fairly priced.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dupreeks:
I checked my data usage with the ussd code today for the first time ever and this is what I was texted back. " Next Bill Cycle: 09/26/2011

Data (MB): 9467.8 of Unlimited

Data (MB): 1655.7 of Unlimited (Deactivated)

Messaging: 2594 of Unlimited"

What is the Deactivated mean? I never checked before but I can't imagine deactivated is a good thing. However tether is working. Help anyone familiar with data usage text messages please. Thanks guys.

Sent using the phone with the biggest balls....Atrix 4G
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stvmac11:
I got the letter in the mail this Friday.. I tethered for about a week straight when I didn't have the internet at my apartment.. guess I'll have to call... sucks
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k0sun7eash3d:
It looks like at some point during the month, your unlimited data was removed from your account. Whether or not that means they caught you tethering, I have no idea, but you don't need to expect any additional data charges since it was replaced back on your account.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] defnow:
This happens to me when I switch between my Atrix and my iphone. 2 different data plans ...2 different usages. So if you switch phone during your billing cycle..that's it.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnny8410:
I got a txt friday and the letter on saturday. I tether a bit every now and then. I checked my usage online and the most I've used is 3.8gb which was my last billing cycle. I thought they were just going after ppl who use like 10gb or more. I gonna call them and i'll post afterwards how it went. Btw im in miami, fl and i have the unlimited data plan.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] defnow:
Im little shocked that I haven't gotten any txt or letter. I've done about 10GB for the past 4 months (no tethering) and no warning, yet. Hmm..
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dcarr622:
I got a letter in the mail today. I tether on my Aria on CM7, usually use between 2-3GB per month, I don't believe I've ever used over 4GB.

Thinking of calling them and arguing the high pandora/netflix/youtube usage angle and see what they say. I am a Premier customer, don't know if that matters.

I really don't want to switch to a capped plan because I'm hoping that I will be able to keep my grandfathered unlimited and switch to LTE. If that's not true, then I don't really care, but I don't want to possibly miss out on unlimited LTE.

Here's what the letter looks like for those wondering:
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cobraboy85:
no, again, it doesn't matter. the headers in the data packets indicate to them the exact kind of data you are using.

http header... you browsing web pages/internet

UDP header... you tethering. you cannot change these headers, nor can you modify them. every time you tether, there is a UDP header data packet sent over their network. arguing it is from pandora is futile, because they already know. your data packets are coded to tell them exactly what kind of internet you are using.

for anybody else, more explanation.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1276990

just don't do it too much.

---------- Post added at 01:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:13 PM ----------

by the way... i just read the letter they sent. sounds like they are giving you a very kind warning before they start charging you.

you will not be able to argue this, as i said. once they catch you, you either have to pay for it, or stop doing it.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schoralous:
Where do you get there is a UDP packet being sent over thier network when tethering??? I read that explanation and it is bunkus. Your link above is not an explanation of why you claim this fallacy, it's jut another thread with you claiming it.

TCP and UDP are simply types of IP packets. Any application, including several of the apps built into your phone, use both of them. A lot audio/video streaming audio/video apps use UDP, including netflix, hulu and pandora.

TCP is a stateful packet that requires ACK's, UDP is not and used for speed when you don't care about garunteed receipt.

**edited to correct my spelling/typo's**
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dupreeks:
I don't know if this post fits this forum but it is tethering related so check this out... I was screwing around bored.in SQLite the other day and I renamed (I think I cloned but not positive) the AT&T custom tethering to AT&T (CT). So when I saved the file in SQLite I now had all the same APNs and also this new identical Custom Tethering APN. I get the fastest Dl/UL speed ever on the new APN and when I switch to the regular AT&T standard APN I can barley get data flowing at all. I have had my phone on the AT&T (CT) Apn I made for 2 days now and I have never had better service than I do now. Can anyone figure this one out because i'm just shocked. Try it on Atrix and let me know if anyone has the same results as me. It makes no.sense but its unreal. I would love to see if this works for Anyone else...

Sent using the phone with the biggest balls....Atrix 4G
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ahmarchi:
You explain where this is located in sqeditor and explain a bit more what u did
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ahmarchi:
Kk thanks bud..i will take a quick look at it when i get ti work
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AdamsBig:
I just called after I got the letter and text and explained to them that their is no proof I tether and the CSR said that I was flagged and I tried to explain that I use a lot of data but I don't tether and I said I use Netflix allot and she asked if I hook it up to my TV I said yes just to mirror my phone and they said that's why they flagged me for tethering. That is really F'ing dumb so now I have till the 30th not to do it but then if I do it after the 30th they will still change my account without telling me. This is stupid.

Edit: Also if you listen to Slacker in your car its also considered tethering and they said they will change my plan.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Unkkut:
Sounds like people are trying to argue down AT&T. The fact of the matter is, if you are tethering and get caught, its YOUR FAULT. Tethering wasn't on the phone to begin with, which is why you have to make modifications to get it.

As much as I dont like it, I got popped with the same notice for tethering my Motorola ATrix. I just got off the phone and tried to play that Netflix, Pandora crap. It doesn't work. They have their system setup to detect tethering..period. The woman made it very clear to me. "When you get unlimited data, you get it for use on your device only. We are not to supply data usage to any other device unless you are paying for it." EASY!

Oh, and if you are still tethering, stop before 9/30/2011 because they WILL start dropping unlimited data. That's directly from an AT&T rep. So, I advise everyone to stop trying to trick the system. You trick AT&T, they will trick you back.

Ill keep my data for my phone, and phone only from now on :D
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Phoneguy589:
+1. I agree, the only way to tether is modify something...APN/telephony.db.... something. We can surf the net while we are on the phone which I do a lot....especially if the call is boring me to death. The only thing I wish they'd understand that using a lapdock isn't really tethering IMHO. It's not like I'm d/ling torrent files and stuff.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Unkkut:
Really, there are many proven methods to get it to work. Rather you will get caught or not, it will take some time. I have been tethering since tethering was available on the device. I just got a notice on the 20th. Only time tells.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pukemon:
Hdmi mirroring or hooking up to a tv to watch netflix, youtube or.videos in general is not tethering, especially because we're using android to MIRROR that stream. Headphones aint tethering. I could see the argument if you stream music in a car, but not bluetooth speakers at home. Thats using mobile data in a 'mobile' kind of way. Anyways this needs to be settled in a lawsuit, a definition made by the legal system. If the carriers continue defining what is and what isnt you may as well handcuff your wrists to your ankles and let the carriers dangle the key in front of you. Or just quit using mobile data on our smartphones to speak our minds, but who is going to do that in a democratic society built on capitalism when the crackheads want their crack and the carriers got the 'data' you need.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Unkkut:
If you are talking to a rep who can't articulate what tethering is, you have a point. It still doesn't take away from what their system saw. If you are tethering, you are tethering. If a rep tells you that tethering is HDMI mirroring, it still doesn't change the fact that you are tethering.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pukemon:
Thus, we need to bust out the nice wooden chairs, the nice wooden tables, the nice long wooden podium and the gavel. Court is in session. *****es. Ok, maybe not, but the carriers are. I see this.going to court/arbitration sooner than i see american democracy working for us by giving up the smartphones. Let it be known i would. I still got wifi. I could make it through the day without mobile data. Thatz what wifi is for. At work and home. Who's coming with me? C'moooon, i dont want to have to take the fish home.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Unkkut:
I think its just me, but what are you talking about?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kisnerct:
I have an appointment with a lawyer tomorrow to look over the contract and see if this is something worth fighting.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schoralous:
GL and please keep us informed

If anyone knows a good attorney who wold be interested in taking this on, possibly on a class action basis, please link people up with them :)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] erraz:
I hope it is
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] magecca:
+1 Unequivocally that simple.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigb252:
Bull****.

Got my email on the 20th, got a reminder text today, September 27th.

I called them to see what's up, as I only had 3.9GBs worth of data so far this month. They said that on the 16th, my account was blocked:confused: and flagged for excessive off-network tethering usage.

The online chat rep couldn't do much, so I called BusinessCare to see what they had to say about the situation. The rep said that he was looking over the notes on my account, and that the notes say that I need to talk to someone specialized in that area.

They transfer me to some usage department when I spoke to a guy named Charles, and he was explaining to me what AT&T defined as tethering. This included:

Using the phone to watch videos on a TV

Using the Atrix Hubs and Docks (Not the LapDock) to view something on the screen

Uploading a video to YouTube:confused:

Using a USB cord to watch YouTube on a TV or Laptop

And a couple other stuff. I tried to explain how using an HDMI cable to view something on your television uses NO internet, he insisted that it did. I let him ramble on about couple more stuff that AT&T defined as tethering...

In the end, he just basically said that my account was just randomly chosen to be reviewed, and that the text I got today was probably just an accident. He also said that I should stop tethering immediately to keep my Unlimited data plan. He also said (in the end) that my account looks fine and I should have no need to worry, if I wasn't tethering.

I used about 400-500MB this month for tethering, not nearly enough to get flagged for it. I was genuinely shocked when I received the email, because I was just streaming videos and music for the most part this month.

**I rechecked the email they sent, and where it said account number, it had the first 3 digits and the rest were zeros(Account #: xxx0000000). Seems like just a bluff on AT&T's end.**