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[Atrix 4G General] jkrohn:
Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
[Atrix 4G General] JayRolla:
Its not that easy when you have family plans and your kind of trapped. $350 per line is a lot. Yea I might beable to fight with them and get out of it but it doesnt always work.
[Atrix 4G General] josidhe:
Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.

The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.

We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?

Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.

We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.

Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
[Atrix 4G General] Mustang302LX:
Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.
[Atrix 4G General] Techcruncher:
I will pay AT&T for anything...

AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Vandalism??? I haven't thought of that....hmmmm....

On a serious note, I agree with what you are saying.

(I would have felt better about agreeing with you if you weren't being so abrasive about it, I don't know what "manning up" has to do with it)

Regardless, there is something wrong with the current system of marketing and commercialism. Trust me, I feel bad when I sit here and complain about upload speeds when there is real tragedies happening in the world (eg. Japan) but when it comes to it, this is beyond cellular carriers and beyond truth in advertising. This is more about a global brainwash. Corporations rule the world, and we are going to regret it.
[Atrix 4G General] Meursau|t:
The evolution underlying the Atrix highlights the problem even more. I have unlimited data on my phone. My phone natively possesses the ability to output to a webtop. But if I dock my phone to use the webtop then I have to pay for tethering? That's absurd. And if a developer creates a workaround then I'm violating my contract? Utter bull****.
[Atrix 4G General] aquariumdrinker:
The evolution underlying the prosecution's case against me highlights the problem even more. I can buy all of the bullets for my gun that I want. My gun natively possesses the ability to kill people. But if I shoot some guy on the beach because the sun is in my eyes, I'm somehow breaking the law? That's absurd.
[Atrix 4G General] Mustang302LX:
I agree with you on that, tethering should be free since you are already paying for the data. Since it isn't though stealing the feature (again not saying anything since I do it too) isn't going to be something they try to not stop.

I'll continue using Barnacle until I see them say something to me.
[Atrix 4G General] hotleadsingerguy:
Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.

And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.

Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.
[Atrix 4G General] drewboy1324:
I think the only thing wrong with your analogy is that paying for tethering when you already pay for data use, is NOT similar to stealing a TV from Walmart. It would be like going to Walmart and having to pay to be checked out when you already have to pay for the items in your cart. They do it because people will pay for it, it is that simple. If you don't like it change carriers or become an executive at AT&T and change it.
[Atrix 4G General] robrj:
I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
It's actually 1GB per $10, but you're right, it's the same price so why not just give us the tethering and charge $10 for every GB we go over but instead it could only be charged if we use the entire GB. Oh, I know, I'm living in a fantasy world.
[Atrix 4G General] rexamillion59:
iv been with att for a very long time and have suffered with edge for ever,they keep telling me ill have the service i pay for soon,heard that for three years,maybe they should give me a refund or manup and provide the service they charge for i love my atrix and they love my money but dont put out,and they want more ha iv had unlimited data since the release of iphone 3g ,my average is 2 or 3 gigs on there network i use wifi more than there network because its not there,and if i want to teather i will barnical rules,that is when im in an area i can,the only one who should feel riped off is me and you that dont get the service we pay for not the guy who dont want to have an internet plan at home and kill 25 + gigs off there network
[Atrix 4G General] Aldiggi:
Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
So hide yo kidz, hide yo wife, and hide yo huzband, cuz they're ****ing everybody out here
[Atrix 4G General] frankiedizzle87:
Im already on two years and a family plan I bought off contract

Sent from Atrix ;-)
[Atrix 4G General] frankiedizzle87:
They're doing us wrong. I loved att untill this nonsense.... the licked boitloader too is stupid.did u c the speed of the thunderbolt? Its crazy upload and download. Check the damn Engadget

Sent from Atrix ;-)
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
That's not considered as Stealing. As data are the same across the platform mobile or desktop. Just because the Atrix has the ability to display Desktop class full blown webpage does not justify to force customers to pay for a tethering plan to utilize it.

Remember the world is unfair. When carriers are imposing these ridiculous tethering fees, we the consumer can do the same to counter the unfair business practice. Look at how Libya, Egypt and other Middle Eastern Countries. People are revolking the government due to unfair practice to the society. We can do a revolution too with people's power!

Not to mention that AT&T has capped all NON-iPhone HSUPA while we are all paying for the same amount. Nothing is fair and that's why hacking can keep the balance.

Remember We Have Paid for the Data Plan already! We have also paid for text messaging plan too which turns out to use a lot less data than voice! Get it? Nothing is fair!
[Atrix 4G General] rexamillion59:
i say some one file a suite ,3g is baarly avalibale.Not at all for me i think there should be federal regulations on what you can be charged dependinng on service avalibality,unlimited data 10 bucks for those on edge ,and probley never see tomorrow,and 20 for substanderd 3g,and 30 bucks for any one who truely has 4g..amaman to that,hell im paying the same as some one who might actualy have the service,someone please file a lawsuit,if im unlimited im unlimited (trust me i could kill alot of gigs without teathering) just geting meaida streems,bot where i live you live on the edge,cost me the same but you got the **** ,and im only a few miles from stste capitol,seams like extortion or something
[Atrix 4G General] diedemus:
The problems with those analogies is that its more like paying for basic cable and demanding hbo because the box can decode it.

Tethering is a premium service, the dock requires the tethering package because they expect you to be using the network more heavily running full apps than if you were using the basic apps on the phone

And to the people *****ing about it when they got their unlimited data grandfathered in, STFU. You are already getting a deal and I bet 70% of you are nowhere near the 2gb cap you would have had at launch, let alone the 4gb plan they added.
[Atrix 4G General] waltah!:
I know people think it's lame, but from a business standpoint it makes good sense. It's only unlimited smartphone users who are tethering that will receive the notification. The cable/HBO comparison above is right on the nose. When you tether without the appropriate data plan you're breaching your agreement and they do have the right to change your plan. When I bought my Atrix I was on the unlimited plan. I switched to the tethering plan so that I could use it with my tablets and I haven't touched the 4gb plan. Also, with my work discount it only costs like $33/ month.
[Atrix 4G General] crossfire2500:
Hahaha I like that.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
What makes tethering a "premium" service? Explain this to me, I really want to know what makes it special. I want to know why I can't just have a 2GB plan with tethering enabled. Why do I have to have the $45 plan? Details please.
[Atrix 4G General] frankiedizzle87:
Seriously though I still have a few days left before I can return the phone but I don't want to settle for the inspire.... the xoom has its bootloader unlocked if im not mistaken. And now they are sending C&D notices it's rediculous... go focus on your xooom and f**k off Moto!

Sent from Atrix ;-)
[Atrix 4G General] frankiedizzle87:
I think id me satisfied with answers. If theyed come out and answer questions and things of that nature and said things like we caped speeds because of.... and we will have everyone up and running my so and so date or we'll try by so and so date... the community could be more at ease

Sent from Atrix ;-)
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Yeah, they can do that AND at least give us the service that the iPhone has.
[Atrix 4G General] dicksteele:
Dont get dicked when I tether my Captivate. On ATT.
[Atrix 4G General] dicksteele:
I bought my phone from an ATT store, added a line, talked the lovely girl to roll my unlimited over. She put a 4G sim in my phone, I still got the email saying I need 4G sim. ATT will never have their **** together.
[Galaxy 3 General] rdass3646:
Akll the people think that getting a custom rom or kernel is development for their device but it would m make some sense if someone develops or modifies its 3d drivers. that is where real devekopment is needed.please someobe help i am regretting my decision to take this phone over lg optimus one.shet man

.sorry for my english there was some problem with opera due to which i was not able to see what i am writing
[Thunderbolt General] sitrucz:
Anyone see a way to get a Thunderbolt when I have 9 months to go on my current contract? I realize I could pay full price but not looking to do so. Thanks for any suggestions. My current phone is an amoled incredible.
[Thunderbolt General] jdk2:
Add a line? $10. a month.
[Thunderbolt General] bkiminfinity:
if you added a line and got the contract pricing wouldn't you also have to sign up for a data plan, which then cannot be removed without breaking the contract and incurring ETFs. then it'd be $10 + $29.99/month......seems buying retail would be better/equivalent to that.

ebay is always an option, but since it's so new it would be quite difficult to get anything much less than retail cost.

i don't know much about it but i've seen mention of early upgrade fees on verizon, maybe you could talk to verizon employees and see if you have any options there. i haven't had much luck with them but people have posted about experiences with verizon people where they are really accommodating and friendly.
[Thunderbolt General] gnath9:
Back when I got my Droid 1, I was only 12 months into my 2 year contract. VZW let me do an early upgrade but did charge me a $20.00 fee. I recomend you calling *611 from your phone.

good luck !!!
[Thunderbolt General] gregdalfonso:
Verizon did the same with me for my tbolt. I was 13 months into contract, they let me upgrade for 2 year contract price + 25.00$
[Thunderbolt General] bmcclure937:
Buy retail or try to get an early upgrade...

it is actually really annoying. everyone always wants the latest phones and cannot wait to get them... and then they scramble to find the best way to get them when they still have "x" months left in their contract (x usually being greater than 6, closer to 12).

at that point, why not just get a 1 year contract to begin with. pay the extra $70 for your device up front but then have the freedom and flexibility at 10 months to do as you choose (and be able to get a new device without trying to "work the system" and weasel your way out of a contract or find some fishy way to add another line). you will end up spending more if you do not get a 1 yr contract.

I am a firm believer of this! :eek:

*EDIT*: and Verizon does not always allow early upgrades for 2 yr contracts, so you cannot rely on that
[Thunderbolt General] Russ36363:
That, I'm never getting another phone at a two-year contract ever again unless the whole market system changes with it, which i dont see happening.

Regardless, if you are stuck in a contract, do the add a line thing, as with that, you can get the new phone on a new line, then switch it over to a crappy cheap phone that doesn't need a data plan, and disable everything on it, so you're only paying the $10 a month for an extra line.
[Thunderbolt General] bkiminfinity:
maybe i'm not well-versed on verizon's contract terms. are you all sure that the contract doesn't forbid cancelling the data plan? i was basing my knowledge on an experience with at&t more than two years ago, haha. at that time i did the secondary line upgrade to get a new blackberry and at&t's terms were that in order to get an upgrade price it is required to sign up for a data package. the loophole there for me was that the data plan could be cancelled after two months at no cost at all. later on a friend who tried to do the same thing as me could not because at&t changed their policy and would not allow people to remove data plans after two months without an ETF.

is verizon's policy better and either doesn't require a data plan upon upgrade or allows you to remove it immediately after upgrading? (note: i tried to look up verizon's policy on this by going to the site and pretending to be a new customer but it started to ask for payment and personal info before showing me the terms and conditions. it did require me to sign up for a data plan when purchasing a smartphone though) i'm curious to know what the fine details are.
[Thunderbolt General] Bodero:
make sure you have an older dumbphone to transfer your existing line to. then you can drop data to your heart's content.

i have done this twice now, once for x and once for thunderbolt. $10/mo each.
[Thunderbolt General] Russ36363:
From the experiences I've had and others who've posted about it, the only restriction AFAIK from verizon is that you need a data plan on the line when you activate the phone on that line, so you'd need to add a data plan on the line when a smartphone is activated for it. However, if the phone isn't a smartphone, i've been able to add and remove the data to the line as needed (I've had an old enV phone where theres been a few times where I've needed the data, so I've just turned on the data plan for the two weeks or so, and never gotten charged outside of that, or fees)
[Thunderbolt General] bkiminfinity:
i have an old blackberry pearl flip, does that count? seeing that it is a blackberry i would think it doesn't......

but a follow-up question i have is that is it worth it paying the extra $10/month? price speculation for tbolt: $319 for 1-year contract, add the $10/month for a year = $120 for a total of $439. retail is $599 so you save $160.....as opposed to paying $319 alone and saving $280. i guess for someone with an upgrade available the method of adding a line and then moving the new phone saves you an upgrade and costs $120 more to get the tbolt. so you are paying an extra $120 above the cost of the phone itself to save your upgrade.

makes more sense for someone with no upgrade option then.
[Thunderbolt General] gregdalfonso:
But i didn't think it could be just 10 dollars a month. The phones are required to have their own 29.99 data plan
[Thunderbolt General] sitrucz:
Thanks all I'm thinking *611 and see if I'm eligible for that early upgrade and will do the 1 year contract.
[Thunderbolt General] bogatyr:
Or call Verizon and tell them you no longer want a phone on that line and they'll put a dummy ESN on it. That's what I did the last time I pulled the add a line and drop it for a discount.
[Thunderbolt General] sitrucz:
It turns out I'm eligible for the early upgrade on 5/10 of this year which puts me on my incredible for 1 year. My full upgrade is up on 1/10/12. So I guess I'll see what's out there in May. Thanks again.
[Thunderbolt General] fishtank:
just keep calling *611 and get someone that is nice. after 4 calls to CS i begged the lady to ask her supervisor to advance my upgrade (from Dec.). I paid the $20.00 fee. good luck.
[Thunderbolt General] foreverinpanama:
I found an official document on verizon's FAQs under "Worry Free Guarantee". Easier to get to through google. When I have the link I can post it.

Basically it states that if you are in a two year plan already you will be able to take advantage of one more annual upgrade at discount price or if you so choose wait until your 20th month and get your "New Every Two" credit.

I had to print this sheet and make sure the full url was across the top in order to show it to a verizon rep. He then put a remark under my account stating that I was indeed elgible for an early upgrade. The problem is just with the changes verizon is now implementing.
[Thunderbolt General] nswenson:
I bought my thunderbolt on craigslist for $540. Was a little shady as the guy didn't have the box, but had all the accessories Verizon employee maybe? Just can't imagine how a day old phone is missing the box. Anyway I activated the phone with no issue.
[Thunderbolt General] rdeker:
When you guys are paying the $20 or whatever to get the early upgrade, so they just reset your account so that Wirefly/Amazon/etc see you as upgrade eligible, or do you then have to buy the phone from VZW? I'd like to upgrade 4 months early (and have multiple lines to upgrade, so the "new every 2" would only take care of one phone) but I don't want to pay VZW an extra $50/phone if I can avoid it.
[Thunderbolt General] javawolfpack:
They are sadly apparently getting rid of the annual upgrade feature :( Anyway should you want to go the full retail route I got mine cheapest through VZW at 599.99 vs the 749.99 it seemed to be listed everywhere else. I don't get my annual upgrade which they are still honoring for the time being until July of this year (still can get it should I want to grab another device this summer).

The only reason I could see to upgrade earlier than your annual upgrade date is in the off chance verizon changes the way they do 4G data plans for new 4G phones at that point? Currently they are offering 4G at 3G data prices w/ unlimited data, and they can't suddenly start charging those of us who are on these unlimited plans more or force us to the tiered plan concept... so we'd be grandfathered in sorta like the unlimited data AT&T users are currently. Was the main reason for me jumping the gun and upgrading early at full retail, that and the speeds are amazing.
[Thunderbolt General] Russ36363:
It took me a few calls to make over a couple weeks, basically the first 3 told me they couldn't move upgrade dates at all anymore, but on Friday I got lucky and they let me order a Tbolt at upgrade price (my upgrade is April 3rd, so two weeks early). I haven't gotten/activated the phone yet, but my upgrade date on My Verizon still says the 3rd. I'm guessing it will change after activation.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] haihan:
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[myTouch 3G, Magic General] svchost:
i have htc magic with 1.5 firmware , and i want to update to 2.2 , how can i do this ?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] DonJuan692006:
What's your fastboot info? What carrier are you with? Do you want to root? Let's start there.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] jhonlawrence:
sir i am in the same situation.

i want to go 2.2, below are information on the boot menu:

SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H

HBOOT-1.76.0007 (SAPP10000)

CPLD-12

RADIO-6.35.07.29

AUG 4 2009,19:43:30

i used a SuperOneClick to root it and it was successful in providing me su access.

i have read that i still need to change s-on to s-off but it says that i need a goldcard. is there any other way without using one of those? Please help.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] .FT:
there is an official 2.2.1 rom by htc. you can download on support section on htc.com. but because it's an official rom you will not have root access.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] GuyInDogSuit:
There is nothing there except a user manual now.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] dkarale:
I turned on the wifi and play with the android market, after a while, a message pop up automatically and ask me if I allow the phone to download the 2 upgrade package for the phone. I choose Yes, and the phone start downloading and upgraded to Froyo. (My phone is an unlocked T-mobile phone with a dummy T-mobile sim card inserted). That was just a month ago.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] mullamadd:
i'm stayed all night last night waiting for the upgrade on market, but nothing. Can some one just copy some tutorial with valid links, so we can do this???
[Android Apps and Games] TheMathMan:
Just a little review I wrote about how great Voodoo Sound is...

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