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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
Interesting. I expect they will likely boot u soon.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GoodFoot:
By which method were you tethering?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phro321:
I'm done with ATT. I never want to sign a, contact EVER!

Is this a change of contact to, throttle speeds? Because I'm ready to call and cancel with no etf
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s1mpd1ddy:
so... what network are you going to go too? You can't get unlimited anywhere else besides Sprint right now.

T-Mobile throttles I believe... and I think their throttle is at like 4 or 5 GB... which would qualify me as a user who will get throttled.

The alternatives are not any better. We are stuck my friend.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] live4nyy:
T-Mobile starts throttling at 2GB.

Carriers need to address this issue. With faster speeds comes greater data usage and eventually consumers are going to revolt. :eek:
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phro321:
I don't care. I will leave out of spite! I'll go to Tmobile pre Paid plan that has unlimited data up to 5GB on 4g and unlimited text and 100 min. For only $30. And get voip service and I'll be good. Anything to not be on contact with ATT.

edit: just got throttled only at 5GB.... Now it only makes sense for me to do this.... Anyone interested in an Atrix unlocked?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phro321:
Is throttling Chaging TOS? I already got the warning but I could just tether with no problem with Tmobile. So I need info on getting out of this contact asap.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kardain:
Yups. I have a Nexus 1 and got one of the letters today. Thing is, even though the function is there, I don't tether.

Average usage 2-3gb per month.

This is the first problem I've had with at&t in quite some time......
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] plarser48:
Just curious if anyone here has tried setting up a VPN or SSH tunnel through their home network for tethering? I'm considering doing it but trying to figure out the potential ramifications. From what I understand, there'd be no way to packet sniff anything significant at any layer of the protocol, but it may raise some flags that I am going through VPN on a mobile.

But from my perspective, I would only tether VERY lightly anyway (< 500mb a month). So I feel I'd be able to claim that I use the VPN for privacy in business related server connectivity or something.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pukemon:
Theyd prolly try and hit you up for enterprise tethering which is even more money.

I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kardain:
OK, so I called at&t about my letter today. The gentleman I spoke with was quite informative. I was told that anything that shares the data connection is considered tethering, as per the TOS. This includes, aside from the actual definition of tethering: any wireless sharing of video on a device (dlna server), bluetooth car stereos (ie streaming Pandora over A2DP), and A2DP bluetooth headphones..... Seriously?

T-mo is looking quite enticing right about now...

Sent from my HTC Flyer P512
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ifalldownalot:
what the hell? corporate... argh...!

does it matter than these features are inherent to the phone? without even displaying any sort of AT&T disclaimer or TOS, much like the ones presented when you click on AT&T navigator?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kardain:
Apparently not. Called back, and was given the same answer when I asked the difference between wired and wireless headphones. "Sharing your data connection with any device wirelessly that doesn't have its own connection is considered tethering."

However, they did provide the exact part of the TOS this time.... See the end of the bolded section in this link....

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...tended Purposes Of The Wireless Data Service?

Ambiguous much?

The definition there doesn't seem to match the definition here:

http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB102856&cv=820

Sent from my HTC Flyer P512
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simba501:
They're so full of bull****.

Sent from my Galaxy S2
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecapox:
I "teather" my phone to my radio every day, twice a day, for my commute to work. I'd say probably an hour and a half each day. I listen to podcasts (streaming) as well as streaming radio. I have been doing this for 9 months. I have not received any letter. ****, i even streamed NFL football radio for 11 hours on a road trip to NJ.

When you connect your phone to your radio you use the Bluetooth functionality. Doesnt say anything about tethering. When i go into wireless settings, there is a spot specifically called TETHERING. That is tethering, not bluetooth connectivity.

EDIT.

Read the terms of service. No way can they tell im listening to my phone through my radio or wireless headphones. No way.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
well considering that no one has been able to come up with a work around i ended up giving att 10 bucks more per month while maintaining my unlimited status.

long story short, i have a second line that is a feature phone (regular flip phone). with this feature phone i can add unlimited data and with the oem software package from the maker of the phone i can enable tethering via bluetooth or usb cable.

it is by far no where near as convenient as tethering via wifi and i ended up spending 10 bux more per month. but i don't think that this is a bad work around and i get to keep the unlimited on my main line.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ifalldownalot:
that's why they win!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
shat happens. pick your battles.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moneyman1978:
I got served. I am using a hacked ROM with tethering enabled and i was served with a stop or else. So glad my phone does flash or i would be SOL
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jade Eyed Wolf:
Wait, so lemme get this straight:

You still have unlimited data -AND- AT&T is allowing you to tether? Every AT&T rep I ever talked to told me the same thing:

A) Keep your unlimited data, but forgo "official" tethering.

or

B) Get tethering option, but be forced to either a 2 or 4GB/mo plan.

That's been my whole reasoning behind being so against this ridiculousness! I'm not saying that being forced to pay an artificial cost is a good thing of course, but being forced off of something as awesome as unlimited data just boils me to the bone.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phro321:
He tethers from a phone that has unlimited data . And is guessing that it won't be noticed. Maybe it won't I don't know either. But that's a great idea foot 10 bucks more.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
As the poster above me stated I am tethering on a flip phone on a different line. Unlimited data for regular phones is only 10 dollars. And figuring out how to tether with it bypassing att connect is a matter of a google search.

Now I will see if att is checking for tethering on flip phones. They really can't threaten me with a lower plan on that phone because thats the only plan. We will see what happens.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jade Eyed Wolf:
Well, if that's the case, then all you'd need to do in order to trick AT&T into thinking your Android device is (first backup) delete the contents of your EFS folder (that's where your IMEI data is kept... at least on Samsung devices. Not sure about everything else though...) I did this trick on my old Galaxy Tab. When you reboot the device, it just defaults to a "Generic" IMEI which AT&T recognizes at a crappy dumb-phone. They didn't bother me about it after that.

That said, when I called the rep about something unrelated, they did say something to the effect of "Wait, how the hell are you going through over 10+GB of data per month on your generic picture phone?" "IDK... I take a lot of pictures?"
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
Perhaps we have identified a work around.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xfinrodx:
I don't know how plausible that is for a long-term solution. I've been tethering intermittently since the "crackdown" started, to the tune of <1GB/month. I got served a notice due to lapdock usage months ago. (I was told by the sales rep that lapdock use was not considered tethering. I returned the lapdock.) Anyone ever been to sbhacker.net? They're pulling back their community to try to keep ISP's in the dark as long as possible. Any "solutions" to "problems" faced by individuals in different areas are alluded to loosely - as specifically identified holes get plugged quickly.

Think long and hard before you specifically point out holes here. Let those of us who have figured out something that works eat our cake, then join us when you've done your homework! ;)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ifalldownalot:
that's what I've always thought. however, it'd be quite difficult keeping everyone quiet.

unless mods got in on it and deleted certain comments.

until then...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phro321:
Got warning about tethering, then this month got top 5% warning. Call with a nice tone and explained that this is not what I signed up for. And I understand that its to be fair for everyone but I just want the freedom to be able to leave.without ETF and because

i'm under a year left on my contact I am eligible to be credited the ETF at no cost but my line will be canceled also. Was explained that almost every company throttles but I didn't like that with ATT is different top 5% every month depending on top 5% usage. they made a note on account that I was eligible. So I told then I would watch my data. So i'm good.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] robertlawson225:
has any one looked into simple mobile or have any experience with this carrier from my understanding they use t-mobile network and i don't see any ware that they throttle and have they do have unlimited!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gjh1978:
Two things, has anyone using a custom rom, and stopped tethering still been forced to the new plans? And if so, has anyone switched their device back to an original iPhone 2G to get their unlimited data back...i recently got served, barely use tethering, stopped using it, just wondering if it's the way att sees the APN on the device...btw, currently using cyanogenmod...any thoughts would be appreciated....
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gjh1978:
Anyone?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simba501:
I haven't tethered since. No changes. I'm patiently identifying a work around.

Sent from my Galaxy S2
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] erraz:
I'm still tethering and I got the letter two Billing cycles ago
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phro321:
Lol. Brave soul.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ifalldownalot:
his parents are probably paying for the bill and they don't know what "tethering" means.

:P
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] erraz:
Taking one for the team
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Reclaim:
Any new developments on this? I want to try this, but it may be in a different location on the htc vivid.

---------- Post added at 10:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:07 AM ----------

Update: I went to att.com and changed my device. I hovered over the picture and chose "not my device". then I chose "I don't see my device". This removed the phone from my account. Maybe. Hopefully this means they don't have my imei on file now. or at least paired with my account. Fingers crossed.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 95rr900:
Has anybody found the location for this information on the atrix? I did a search in root explorer....no success??
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dawakat:
A possible way to keep you unlimited data

If you tether with unlimited you'll lose your data, AT&T will make you change your plan. Just swap between Enterprise Unlimited and Unlimited data plans when you get flagged.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ifalldownalot:
quick question.

i don't tether nor do i intend on tethering any devices my phone. i did, however, enable tethering to use my lapdock using this method:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1160452

is this something that AT&T would be able to see?

and, if so, is there a different/better alternative so that i may be able to use my lapdock?

thanks in advance.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xfinrodx:
Really don't recommend using the lapdock that way. That's how I first got flagged... Should find more discrete ways. ;-)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdgay22:
what dumphones tether

for just $10 a month on a second line.. i would go tether crazy on a dumbphone for a month to month no contract.. sounds like the best option since its on $10 month and there is no option to change to a higher plan. i remember some nokia dumbphone had tethering. do u guys know any phones
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jade Eyed Wolf:
Guys I have really bad news for anyone on ANY kind of "Unlimited" data, whether that's an old iPhone unlimited, smartphone unlimited, or aircard/laptop connect unlimited plans:

They are dead. Period.

I used my unlimited laptop connect SIM card in my Galaxy Tab for my mobile connection for, well ever since I've had the device really, and I have had the plan since ye olde Cingular days. My usage varies, but it ranges anywhere from 4-6GB on average, to occasionally as much as 20+GB in a billing cycle.

I received an automated message saying that I was nearing my "limit" for the month, and advised I curtail my usage, lest my service be suspended. Of course the first thought that went through my head was "BULL$HIT!!! I have unlimited usage you bastards!!! It even says so on my bill!!!"

So of course I call in to talk to customer service (politely of course), and immediately asked to speak with a manager. Without going into much detail, here's the skinny:

Since September of this year, if you have ANY "legacy unlimited data plan," users who exceed 5GB of usage on a regular basis: 1. on the first "offense" exceeding 5GB, will be throttled, but will not be charged any overages, and 2. upon the second offense, will receive a notice (usually via text or email) when they are nearing their 5GB threshold, and should they exceed that threshold, could have their service suspended. Should your service be suspended, "the customer has two options: Cancel their plan with a waived ETF (early termination fee) -OR- resume service on an up-to-date tiered plan which is subject to overage charges." <=== Their words.

We all knew that sooner or later, AT$T would find some way of finally killing off the last of the unlimited data users. It seems that day has come... Well, at least I can say I feel really good about using their service with the peace of mind knowing that it didn't matter how much data I used for as long as I did. I know that, for the overages that I -would- have been charged, since unlimited data was done away with, I'd have owed literally tens of millions of dollars!! Don't believe me? I'm serious. The $10/GB overage thing didn't start until about a year and a half ago. My average usage since 2005 is about 10GB a month, so that's $900 for the least 18 months (Ok, big deal...). But before then, it was $.01/KB for overages. So that means that's $10.24/MB (1024KB = 1MB) or $10,485.76/GB (1024MB = 1GB), times the ~5GB of "overages" I would have been responsible for on a monthly ~$52,428.80 basis!!! So lets see, $52,428.80 * 48 months (roughly the amount of time I had data service before the new overage plans.) and we get a grand total of ~$25,16,582.40

And before you ask, yes, I was still going through roughly 10 gigs a month, even back in 2005, even on EDGE speeds. That was my primary internet connection and I torrented EVERYTHING, and listened to internet radio a LOT!

So yeah, ~$25,16,582.40 HA!!! That's MILLIONS of MY dollars staying in MY wallet AT&T!!! You money grubbing bastards!!!

Unlimited Data, we have had good times... You will be missed...

R.I.P
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Joe-Momma:
I still have unlimited and they have not said anything about my data usage, but then again the would have to waive an ETF and I think that is why I have not heard a thing.

Last month 105GB currently at 108GB and still have a week until next billing cycle to use MORE data....

I have never got a throttle notification nor been warned about using my UNLIMITED plan yet so I would have to disagree about the above post.

prior to my 100GB+n per month I was over 5GB all the time but usaully less than 20 GB but since the tether letter I will stay well above 80GB a month.

Since I had to get a 4GB tether plan on a second phone for home internet what I do is just send the url to my unlimited data plan phone and the download on the atrix with unlimited and tranfer when done...

been able to stay above 100GB the last 2 months that way and AT&T has not even said a thing!

One has to be creative these days but unlimited is still around, hopefully AT&T does drop me without ETF's and I already have a solution in place that is unlimited through an MVMO. Just would like to leave AT&T COMPLETELY without the ETF.... Maybe if I keep up the 100GB downloads, just maybe :)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jade Eyed Wolf:
Maybe it's the APN they have their knickers in a twist about. What APN are you using? Broadband or isp.cingular?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Joe-Momma:
AT&T US HSDPA (phone) is what is shown as selected, isp.cingular is not a choice but broadband, wap.cingular, and tether are not selected but available in the menu.

stock Atrix with 2.3.4 / 4.5.91 for the unlimited plan phone.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dawakat:
Dumbphones have a throttled speed of .1mbps always, plus they can tell when your throttling they monitor packets and follow the ip address. I didn't believe them until they told me about how they were following my account for a while (AT&T is big brother O.o)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
Not sure about that throttle. Im sure I get better speeds than that.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaydeol:
I got message from art saying I m on top 5% ..but only used 1400mbs so far ..
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ifalldownalot:
I'd call and complain.

maybe even ask for some sort of reimbursement, playing along the lines of feeling offended that you'd get such a letter with it obviously being a mistake.

maybe even say how forums are talking about how they're doing nothing but fishing with those letters.

maybe.

just maybe...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simba501:
I got the throttling text/email yesterday. This month I'm at around 10 gb.

Sent from my Galaxy S2
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jade Eyed Wolf:
Looks like I'm not alone... CONSUMER REVOLT!!!!!!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rhys42:
I originally got my notice late in September. Called, got the flag removed.

Since then I have tethered the phone via the wifi hotspot about 3 or 4 times...BUT for the sole purpose of transferring files I had downloaded from the Internet with the phone browser, with one crucial difference...read on.

The steps I followed: I went into settings and disabled the data service before activating the hotspot and then moved my files, then deactivated the hotspot, then reenabled data.

Not a peep from AT&T until this morning...just got the email saying they had changed me over to the 4GB plan. Maybe an hour or two earlier I had downloaded and then transferred (by the method above) windirstat...last time before that was a few weeks ago.

Don't know if that is just coincidence or if they flagged me some other way (haven't checked my data use for last month yet) but I am SURE that I turned off the phone's data connection each time. Maybe my ignorance is showing but if the data connection is turned off...how could they detect the tether as it was 'offline' at the time?

Just throwing the info out there for the benefit of others.

EDIT: 3.5 GB in October cycle, 3.9 GB for Nov.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Joe-Momma:
I have not received any notice other than tethering which I quit doing as I added tethering to another line rather than lose my unlimited.

Since the tether letter I decided to test what "Unlimited" actually means :)

Last month 105+ GB and currently the *DATA# is saying:

Next Bill Cycle: 12/01/2011

Data (MB): 116471.9 of Unlimited

TXT/IM: 0 of Unlimited

Visit us online at www.att.com/DataPlans

I wonder how long I need to keep this up to get out of their contract without Early Termination Fees?

I have found a no-contract alternative that once they let me out I would switch too...

As far as the top 5% I will try to keep that bell curve high LOL .....
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
yikes! ur the first ive heard of that got switched.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] live4nyy:
Dang, thwarted again...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jarsh92:
Damn, now I feel stupid for not thinking or trying that, lol..wish I could use what I call my home DSL network...."ATT Sucks" :D
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattyv:
So what is the safest method

to tether? or is there not one? Based on what i've read, the Standard Tether through wap.cingular seems to be the one that is being implicated. Correct?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n7slc:
Both of my smartphones show wap.cingular.com on the bill whenever data is being used over the cell network. I tether on occassion with my Captivate but my son never tethers with his iPhone. wap.cingular.com indicates data used over the cell network.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] banes:
do you think they could tell if you were to tether with a usb cable via pdanet?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] northarkansaschaser:
I've been doing the apn method for awhile now on my atrix.....that's after I called them and asked them why I couldn use my hotspot when I tried and they told me that......can still hotspot with my wifes captivate......they've said nothing and really can't do much.....there is always gonna be a way around it cause they are gonna fire someone for something stupid who knows all the info and there you go......info leaked.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] northarkansaschaser:
Im pretty sure they can't tell what your using....just that your using something....I use pdanet when im not in a 3g area since the atrix can only hotspot in that area.....they haven't messsaged me about any of it.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolwrld:
WTH Unlimited data plan

Not to go to far off the tethering topic but I have read several posts where people are indicating that they still have unlimited data with Atrix. When I bought my Atrix the day it was released I was told by AT&T that since the Atrix was a 4G phone (well supposedly) as such used their new network and was unable to even connect to the 3G network.

Actually I believe the actual verbiage used was that since I was going from an iPhone 3G to the Atrix (HSPA, HSUPA or whatever the hell it is supposed to be) that I couldn't keep the unlimited plan

I'm starting to wonder if it wasn't more about the fact that the person at Walmart screwed the account up to begin with and whacked the data plan completely from the account and AT&T just used that opportunity to screw me.

Damn you Walmart and AT&T.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheRomero09:
Just call at&t and let them know..they tried doing this to me at the at&t store..&within a couple days I had my unlimited plan back.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] banes:
so what happens if you get served?

a slap on the wrist? a bump down in data plan? lawsuits? banned from att (ya right)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nosit1:
I can average a good 10GB+ in a month from tethering and regular phone usage. AT&T hasn't contacted me yet, but I doubt they want to loose my $200+ dollar bill for 12 years in a row to Verizon. I'd just play the carrier card if they contacted me, then concoct a back story.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joemommasfat:
It's more like the cops coming in and painting a handicapped symbol in your old parking space.