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[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bkiminfinity:
So, I've been on the fence about the Tbolt since the official announcement came out earlier this week. I had been following all the news and specs and LTE expectations and was really excited to buy this phone with my upgrade......a month ago. I know that Verizon and HTC never made official announcements about the Tbolt but with Best Buy starting pre-orders and Verizon reps saying "it's coming tomorrow" it was hard not to expect it to come really soon, ESPECIALLY since Verizon started airing freaking commericials on TV.

Then all of the vague announcements on release date delays and the reports on poor battery life and whatnot made me pause and think if this phone were truly worth it. True, I was all set to get it a month ago, but a month in technology time is eons now. Furthermore people all over this forum have been posting issues with the phone since it launched: SMS showing sim card number instead of phone number, software bugs, overheating issues, battery life.....oh the battery life. I have to say that is one of the biggest factors swaying my decision. My droid x is almost a year old and I can still get by for a while (~2 days) without charging and with moderate usage. If a brand new Tbolt will last me half a day on standby, that could be a dealbreaker.

I'm mostly debating because I don't change phones very often and so using my upgrade is kind of a big deal, whether it's for one or two years. So i'm asking those that used their upgrades for the tbolt, is it worth it? With all of the dual-core LTE phones supposed to come to verizon this year (bionic is the most well-known but there will probably be others) is it a waste to get a tbolt, especially since i have a droid x that functions perfectly well and i am only sometimes in 4G areas (i live in a 4G area but work most of the time out of town with no 4G and therefore have only weekend 4G access). I'm not looking for a detailed review of the phone, I've seen enough of those on blogs and tech sites but I'd like to know if people who used their upgrades felt it was a good decision.

And I know I could just get the tbolt and then sell it later if I wanted something else but that's added trouble and if it's not worth it I don't want to bother.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bmcclure937:
Yes. Do some research. There is plenty of data available.

If you want an upgrade now, then this is the device to get (especially if you want to lock in the $30 LTE data rate).

If you can wait then better devices will obviously be available in the coming months. You be the judge of your own needs. I do not care for the whole dual-core hype of the Moto Droid Bionic.

I am also a big fan of HTC and want to be able to root. Go with Moto and you can forget being "open". :rolleyes:

My suggestion. 1 year contract. Then you are free to do what you want in a short 10 months.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bogatyr:
I think it was worth it. I have yet to have any of my 1Ghz+ phones require more power (i.e. dual core isn't something I'm concerned with for my phone). The only Android device I would like more power in is my Xoom and that already has a dual core.

The data speeds are what made it worthwhile going from my Droid X to the Thunderbolt. It's insanely fast, so much so that I'm not even using my home ISP anymore. That to me is worth the upgrade.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bkiminfinity:
maybe this is a question for another forum, but is dual-core that big of a deal? from what i've seen there is a widely varied opinion on dual-cores. some say that the dual core atrix is wasted unless you are running a dock (laptop or hd). i've seen some say dual-cores will require more battery power to run twice as many processors than a single-core while others have said that it will require less power because having two cores share the load will net less required power than a single core. makes it really hard for someone like me who doesn't have a super-strong understanding in how it works, my layman's explanation is that dual vs single cores is like comparing a really strong guy lifting a box or two people (both half as strong as that one dude) lifting the box together - this could be entirely wrong for all i know. a friend told me that a dual-core will have one doing the work and the other to pick up slack or help out when things are running hard and that today's smartphone apps and games don't really require that much processor capability right now.

i've been at a loss for all this for a while and am starting to wonder if dual-core will just be a marketing ploy and will not make THAT much of a difference to most users. also doesn't help that a lot of people online are horrified that phones like the tbolt are being released today as single cores and tout dual-core as a screaming necessity.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bogatyr:
Multiple cores and processors are very helpful if you:

A. Multitask and a single core/processor drags for you. The OS will split threads and applications between the cores/processors so more gets done.

B. Use software that supports multiple threads and a single core/processor drags for you. The software itself here will use multiple threads across the processors available.

So it is really reliant on the user. The Atrix with the dock feature will almost certainly be used by people to multitask heavily. So as with a desktop/laptop, dual cores will definitely be beneficial.

On my own phone, I rarely multitask and when I do, it isn't heavy usage. I'm not running any heavy processing application on my phone. I read the news, check my email, send texts and make phone calls. Phones could do this with a lot less power than a 1Ghz single core chip (Windows Mobile was doing this for years).

So I'm not concerned with multiple cores. If having a few applications open means swiping between screens shows a split second of lag... I don't really care. The most processing power I use on it is probably tethering and then I have it plugged it and I'm using my laptop or Xoom, not my phone.

I play 0 games on my phone. I've found absolutely no games worth playing yet. When they make something that I find enjoyable, then I might be concerned with the processing power.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] l7777:
I might be able to help a little. Dual core's greatest benefit is when the work load can be divided. It will show little benefit if the workload cannot be divided. That is all dependent on the programs that are running. Think of a math problem. 2 x 2 x 2 x 2. Since this problem can be done in any order, the two processor cores can both work on it together and finish it faster than a single core. Lets say core one does the first 2 x 2, core 2 does the 2nd. Then one of the two cores does the final 4 x 4 to get the end result. Now think of another problem, 8 / 2 / 2 / 2. Things must be done in order to get the proper solution so both single core and dual core processors will take the same amount of time.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bkiminfinity:
that is really helpful, thank you. so it does seem that it depends on how heavily you would use the phone and that most users probably don't have a dire need for dual-cores (at least i don't think i would). thanks again!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Russ36363:
Personally, I don't think dual core is worth it, with the only one impending to be released is the Bionic, and I don't trust Moto at all to not lock it down like the X. But that's also my usage patterns, I just need to be able to get in touch with people and updates to and from websites, which isn't really too much of a necessity for dual cores yet.

As for this phone, I've ordered it this morning, and I already feel like it was worth it. I've played around with Dinc and D1, and when I went in store today to play with it, it was so much more responsive. And any issues will be tweaked with custom roms/kernels, something that can't be ensured with Moto phones.

Also, for people who ordered it online, when did you get your tracking numbers and stuff? I had to order it online to get my discount, and my card has the pending charge on it, but I haven't gotten a tracking number, and my confirmation order number doesn't show up in their system. I'm hoping it went through so it gets shipped today and not monday.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] l7777:
It seems they're being a bit slow. I put two orders in very early yesterday and both are shipping today. Just keep your fingers crossed.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Robertjm:
In the FWIW department I was talkjng with an HTC rep yesterday and specically asked about the phone being locked down and he said it wasn't at all. I was even able to install Easy Tether right there in the VZW store though I didn't get a chance to try it out.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bkiminfinity:
So I listened to the thoughts here and got a thunderbolt on a one year contract. I wanted to share my experience in case it could help someone else. I had seen in this forum that a discounted contract price was offered to those that had employee discounts on their accounts. People had posted that they were able to get their discounted prices in store and walk out with a thunderbolt. I went to a Verizon store (not an authorized retailer, a full corporate store) and tried to do the same but was turned away with them saying they cannot match online prices. So I tried another Verizon store in a different town today and was told the same thing. I was frustrated because of the success others had in their Verizon stores so I set out and tried a third store. This time instead of just turning me away this sales rep shared with me her own frustrations about not being able to match corporate prices and missing out on sales. So we chatted about how it sucked and I asked if there were some way I could obtain my discount without actually being given my discount price (e.g. credits to my account, super cheap/free accessories, waved activation fees, etc.). She said there was nothing she could do without getting into trouble with her manager so I was about to give up. But then she suggested that we could just ring up a thunderbolt and see what options presented. While doing so she discovered that my corporate discount prices actually were available in store so I was able to get a one year contract thunderbolt for $229 with no activation fees. she said that maybe because my company has so many lines with Verizon (not hard to believe since we have more than 100k employees) that we can get discount prices in store that others may not. So if you tried to get a good price in store but were turned away keep trying and ask the sales rep to ring it up to see if discounts are available, even if they don't think so. Persistence works!

I am pretty happy so far with the phone. I wish it came with swype cause i got used to it on my Droid x. can't really speak to battery life since I haven't charged it at all since unboxing and also am not currently in a 4g area. But I do like the look and feel of it and sense has been running pretty snappy so far. Thanks all who shared on this thread!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 2027727:
Dual core mostly is overrated because you probably won't need it for what you do on your phone on a normal basis. But even with the Bionic's dock, are the interface and the apps actually running in a "64-bit" mode?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rlervin:
I am sure glad I got mine!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] droidmom:
I can't comment on all the advanced capabilities most on this forum are discussing. Still a novice here. But I can say the upgrade was definitely worth it for me for (1) much better voice clarity over the Incredible; (2) much faster data speeds; and (3) ability to zip a quick reply to a text or e-mail without disconnecting a voice call.

Additionally, I got $50 for checking internet pricing before going to the store. The price in store was $50 higher, which I did not know until at checkout. I told him I'd just seen the lower price online before leaving home, and he knew nothing of it. I had him log onto my verizon account to convince him. Then it was a long process of back and forth with management to get a price match. No one in the store was aware of the lower price online. In order for the rep to get his commission, the solution was to process the purchase online and issue a $50 credit separately to my account. This could have been because of my company discount provision combined with my upgrade due, or could have been an online special. Either way, I got 50 bucks by being persistent--and by letting them know I was prepared to go home and order online.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] suzook:
it's not 10 anymore.you have to wait the full 12,but it's still worth it in my opinion.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sirjacksinurbox:
Yes to the one year contract with the tbolt. Dual core is too new to be fully taken advantage of by anyone. A 1ghz processor is more than enough beef to handle just about anything you can throw at it, especially with 768mb of ram.

On a side note... When did they get rid of the 10 month early upgrade? I was looking forward to getting my early upgrade...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gujupmp88:
thats not true...i just signed up for a 1 year upgrade and it says my next upgrade is Jan 20, 2012. So unless my math is mistaken, that is 10 months. The thing they changed, I believe, is that there is no NE2 anymore. If you have a 2 year contract, you have to wait 20 months before upgrade is available where as you would only have had to wait 12 months before.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fillyo:
^ That's correct, I bought mine on 3/17 and when I go online to my account, it says I am eligible to upgrade on 1/17/12. That's 10 months.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neotekz:
on my captivate i used to be able to set the network selection to use auto, 3G only and Edge. i dont see these options in wireless settings, i jsut see an option to select network. is there a way to set it to only use 3G?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FLAC Vest:
No because the phone only shows either E for edge or H+ for 3G or HSDPA.

More than likely you could get an application from the market that lets you switch and see if that works, but.... what's wrong with the way it manages data now?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JayRolla:
Well lately ive noticed my H symbol flashing too 3g for a few seconds then back. Im on gingerblur and not sure if its the Rom or what, but its wierd. Has anyone with gingerblur seen the 3g symbol.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] live4nyy:
Newer phones are using "smart" radio management chips (or something like that). The newly released Thunderbolt is the same way. Which sucks because it was a good tool for battery management
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neotekz:
it sometimes switches to edge and i wanted to force it to stay on 3G. my captivate would do the same thing and keeping it on 3G worked fine.

is there any hacks to add this setting?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Clienterror:
I have, I even did a sbf and installed just the theme, adeo and rooted and am getting this issue. Not sure what the deal is.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FLAC Vest:
Lol it switches to edge because you don't have a 3G ssignal; what else is it supposed to do if you don't have it?

You can choose (for throat part) to go down but you can't just magically get a better/faster signal.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neotekz:
my captivate used to switch to edge too but when i locked it to 3G it never lost signal just gets weaker. seems like it switch prematurely when 3G is weak NOT totally gone.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hondaguy:
*#*#4636#*#*

Phone options

Click the drop down menu and select network mode you want
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neotekz:
thanks! what setting should i choose for 3G, gsm only or wcdma only?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FLAC Vest:
That's all well and good, however if you completely lost 3G then it wouldn't be there, even if you have the setting locked.

Setting =\= Result
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neotekz:
i understand that it wont give me a better signal. but i use my cell in low reception area and dont want it to constantly switching to edge and back and kill my battery. like i said i've used the captivate with 3g only and never completely lost 3G even with the captivate's crappy radio.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hondaguy:
Wcdma only
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FLAC Vest:
Lol I think I should state this.

I understand what you're saying and I am not saying I think you're wring; on the contrary, I actually do that as well, however I move mine down to edge when I'm not going to be doing anything data intensive.

I was just stating what I said to inform people, just in case someone thought you could force 3G at ALL times, which isn't possible if you aren't getting 3G in your area.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yokozuna82:
How do you make the selection stick? I tried a reboot and everything
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neotekz:
i think you have to redo the setting when you reboot.

Edit: i just notice that it also changes back when i plugged it in overnight. is there a way to keep this setting permanently?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xenorabbit:
I too am needing to set my phone to connect to Edge only. I have 1 bar at the house when my network type is HSDPA. When connected to HSDPA at the house, with one bar, I constantly get dropped calls or my phone may not ring at all. If the phone decides to connect to Edge, which has a full signal, then everything seems to be a-ok. Most of the time the phone completely disconnects from all networks when it switches from HSDPA to Edge... not cool.

I can not get this sucker to connect to Edge only via setting the preferred network type to WCDMA. The phone will automatically set itself to GSM/CDMA auto (PRL) if I manually try to set WCDMA as the preferred network. :(

Rather annoying to say the least. ATT is the only carrier that has a full signal at the house. That's the only reason I that I signed up with them.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hondaguy:
i just select the band i want and press the back key. usually the signal strength indicator will show no signal for a couple of seconds, then it will change to what i had selected. thats it
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hondaguy:
thats because wcdma is 3g only. you need to the GSM option, thats edge.

GSM=edge only

wcdma=3g only

GSM auto=3g or edge, phone decides depending on signal strength
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wj0t:
I've tried 3 different cables on 3 different computers and it hasn't worked on any of them.. 2 cables are Samsung and 1 was a blackberry cable. All 3 computers are windows XP. Could that be the problem?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] musclehead84:
No I don't think its XP. Did you find the epic drivers and install them?

Sent From My Evo Killer!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wj0t:
Of course haha
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Menchelke:
Are you plugging the cable into just any USB port?

Computers usually have like 6 or more usb ports... Usually only two of them are the primary. The rest are technically a USB hub.

On a normal desktop tower, you want to plug your phone into one of the USB ports immediately adjacent to the network port. They are usually side by side, Network jack, and 2 usb next to it.

You may have to look up how to clean uninstall the samsung driver, then reinstall it before you ever plug your phone into your computer. Then you want to always plug it in the same spot. USB ports often act like individual devices. Even though the driver is installed, and your phone may work on 1 usb port, moving it to another port, it may fail to recognize it.

This may be a setting on your phone, or it may be a setting on the pc. Also, when mounting and unmounting your phone, make sure you use Windows XP safely remove hardware, or the unmount option from your phone to prevent it from failing to recognize at a later date.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wj0t:
Wow ill have to try that later, thank you for the info.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bowling88:
If that still doesn't work, I rebooted the comp while still in usb storage on my phone, which finaly made it recognize... good luck to you though!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vlatinlove:
Make sure your USB debugging is off I had to turn it off for some ROM's I don't know why but I did. Also If that don't work go to the market and download "Multi Mount SD-Card Lite" This worked like a charm for me especially the widget, but for the free version you can't have Ad Blocking on.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] T-980:
Same thing happened to my Hero back when I was first learning how to root the thing. Outside of computer and cable problems, it has to be your phone. I have to ask though, is it at least charging when you plug it in?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] telas:
Hi all i just flashed the DFT nand android version but i have a problem, when i connect my usb cable and select as a usb device i noticed that the SD card is only 200 MB in capacity , my SD card is an 8GB Kingston

I dont understand why my SD card has only 200MB

here's a screen shot:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] telas:
anyone who experienced the same ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Richy99:
you need to format the card as you have been playing with wp7
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] telas:
Thank you, i will try, i should format it as FAT32 ?

* Also sorry that i didn't manage to remember to tell the community that i was having WP7 previously and flashed the DFT nand android
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] telas:
ok solved, i formated the sd card with this tool EASEUS Partition Master 7.1.1 Home Edition it had 7 gb unlocated space so i deleted it and reformated it
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] T13190:
Hey so i have searched relentlessly across the interwebs and have been unsuccessful at funding how to connect my new stereo to play music over bluetooth. I can take phone calls no problem but cannot figure out how to stream music. My stereo is a CDE-125bt. I am running Cm7 but have also tried MikFroyo. I feel I am just missing something simple .
[Galaxy S I9000 General] loujack:
I have update the samsung i9000 phone with the 2.3.2 Rom bot the phone keeps on geting stuck can any one help
[Galaxy S I9000 General] theduckking:
what was the previous firmware?

did you backup?

if you flashed the first time: by what guide did you flash?

have you tried to flash the same ROM again?

have you had a lagfix enabled?

where does the phone get stuck? (samsung logo, boot animation, the strange graphics bug)

Do you get into recovery?

If you answered these, it would make helping easier:D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] JJEgan:
2.3.2 Rom

its beta not finished so as asked where did you get it from .

jje
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pennzoilgtr:
i second this.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] loujack:
Hello mate the verison before was the 2.2 that was a rom that was fine then i used odin to flash the rom 2.3.2 gingerbread on to the phone i did not do a back up and i have not tried to flash the rom again it get stuck when you open a app and use the phone then its get stuck
[Galaxy S I9000 General] loujack:
The rom was a link from XDA i have lagfix voodoo toggle
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Nitro_123:
I think downgrading to any other ROM such as Darky's 9.2 or 9.3 should work

Good luck flashing!

Nitro
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rootusr:
Disable lagfix, flash one of the froyo roms and then try again
[Galaxy S I9000 General] JJEgan:
You had lagfix on = bad .

Flash stock rom via Odin .

jje
[Galaxy S I9000 General] juanicoenfer:
Can anyone edit the title of the post? A lot of people are waiting for. 2.3.2 and this is very frustrating.

Thanks.

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