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[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
I thought that with the impending release of Android 3.0 AOSP, it would make sense to have a thread similar to "CM7 General Discussion thread" where users can post questions, instead of cluttering up the development threads. I'll start a FAQ in this OP and will add additional FAQ items as suggested by others in the thread.

Android 3.0 Honeycomb for Nook Color Frequently Asked Questions

Q. " Will Honeycomb run on Nook Color ?"

A. Yes. The recommended hardware is 1.0 ghz (easily obtained with Dalingrin's OC kernel) and 512mb (the same amount of RAM as found in the NC). And NC runs the preview builds just fine.

Q. " It is mid-March, the Motorola Xoom has been released with Android 3.0, yet there has not been any recent releases of builds of Honeycomb for NC - why not ?"

A. Devs are waiting for "Android 3.0 AOSP" the actual source code for the release of 3.0 that was used in the Xoom product (and others). The AOSP is often released several weeks after the release of the first hardware product.

Links to more information, test builds, scripts:

nookDevs Nook Color Portal

Honeycomb V4 2nd Flashable Zip for eMMC

Script for Working Market & GAPPS for Honeycomb

Install Root on Honeycomb

Nookie Honeycomb: Burning a bootable SD card

Dalingrin's OC kernel

Boot Menu for the Nook Color
[Nook Color Android Development] Mesum:
Thanks for creating this thread. I want to bookmark it.
[Nook Color Android Development] lospulpo:
Nice I've been thinking about something like this for days. Has anyone dumped all of the xoom apps? Looking for that tablet Gmail... :P
[Nook Color Android Development] arrjaytea:
Same, but was under the impression that wasn't going to happen until AOSP.
[Nook Color Android Development] lospulpo:
:/ xda app work for anyone? Whenever i click on a topic it FCs. Tried clearing cache and data.

Edit: nvm found another thread about it either dont login or get tapatalk app

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[Nook Color Android Development] 360Razir:
Agree with ADude...this type of thread needed to happen for HC. Thanks for getting it going.

HC stuff is a bit slow now, with CM7 doing most of the heavy lifting at the moment, but HC will start rollin' again when (if?) AOSP is released to the masses. Would like to see this thread grow and provide a lot of good insight for those who may not be as dev-savvy. There are a lot of very smart people in the forums, so help is never too far away.
[Nook Color Android Development] thezero4:
How long did it take deeper blue to port hc to the nook the first time? Just curious because I assume the same kind if wait for aosp. It seemed almost instant but I didn't have a nook at the time. It might have seemed a lot longer had I been lurking the threads then. Either way can't wait until google finally releases the code.
[Nook Color Android Development] Toys Samurai:
Tried, but they couldn't be installed -- the SDK version changed in the final version of Honeycomb. Faking the SDK version number didn't seem to help neither.
[Nook Color Android Development] Bawb3:
Cant wait for a full 3.0, really exciting stuff.

Just hope they can use the BT stuff from cm7 to get it working in HC, otherwise I'm probably gonna stay with cm7.
[Nook Color Android Development] lafester:
dalingrin said that all the progress that has been made for gingerbread should transfer over to honeycomb. anyone who is interested in honeycomb should be fully supporting cyanogen as they will be the ones to get us the build.
[Nook Color Android Development] grasstrout:
I just got a Nook Color off eBay...I'm looking forward to rooting and installing (hopefully) honeycomb on it. How stable is it?
[Nook Color Android Development] BroDroid:
The emmc version by samualhaff is stable. I would recommend it, I use it as my daily driver.

Sent from my Droid
[Nook Color Android Development] Contra1971:
I like HC I use it every now and then on my SD card

but the only reason I havent completly moved over is that I can't get the market so that means I cant get books from B&N or Sony or such as it won't connect to my computer either

I know it is still in the beta stages though
[Nook Color Android Development] lospulpo:
Same here. Running eMMC 2nd and I have no complaints. For being stripped from the SDK's emulator it runs rather exceptional. A few apps here and there don't work and HQ YouTube is missing but regular quality looks fine for the time being.
[Nook Color Android Development] Contra1971:
does eMMC 2nd allow the market?
[Nook Color Android Development] bdcrim:
Yes. There is a work around for full functionality if someone has issues (a few apps are not visible however).

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=996327
[Nook Color Android Development] fzr-r4:
stripped from the sdk preview at that. it works remarkably well.

I tried the nexus one final sdk build, and the sdk berson and the APIs should match the AOSP, so more honeycomb features and apps worked, which made me even more eager for our next nook color release, be it final sdk based or AOSP.
[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
The devs are waiting for AOSP, which is already overdue.
[Nook Color Android Development] danchappers:
Yeah it feels overdue. I have a feeling they arnt going to release it
[Nook Color Android Development] hacku:
You have a feeling they aren't going to release it?

You do realize that Android is Open Source, right? :rolleyes:
[Nook Color Android Development] RoboRay:
I don't think Google is going to cancel Honeycomb and Motorola buy back all the Xooms sold, which is what would have to happen for the source code to not be released.
[Nook Color Android Development] mason_s:
G Tablet?

Lookin' like everyone is mostly talking about NC. No love for the G Tablet? Hope the devs show it some love to :)
[Nook Color Android Development] electrikjesus:
I feel that this topic is a good start for all the HC info. Although I feel that we need to add the Dual Boot version of HC v4 to the list also. That had many things working well also. It has been my daily for quite some time.

Now back on topic... What other devs are working on HC ports? Other than AOSP.

Reason being... you can't convince me that a potential 1000 devs are waiting for just one person/group.
[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
You do realize this is the Nook Forum ? ;)
[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
When that group is Google - then, yes, they are all waiting.

The alternative will be to spend 10 hours working on some Honeycomb Preview build, only to then hear that the AOSP is released. :eek:

The AOSP will work with Flash, and will accept all the various built-in tablet apps that people will upload from Xoom.

The Preview builds will instantly be obsolete.
[Nook Color Android Development] luigi90210:
android maybe open sourced but it doesnt mean they HAVE to release source code, if google really felt like it they could be like apple and make all future releases of android closed source

im not trying to flame but if a company had to release source code just cause it was based on opensource code than that would mean all of apple would be open as well as HP's WebOS

now im not trying to say google will close source android but i am saying it is possible

will it likely happen? probably not but there is still a chance it could
[Nook Color Android Development] cyburke:
i just wanted to say thanks for posting this thread.. its helpful to be updated like this when these are the *exact questions i've been wondering!

was thinking of selling my nook because i just haven't been using it much, but the renewed possibility of honeycomb 'coming soon' is pretty good news indeed.

cheers!
[Nook Color Android Development] chisleu:
Yes, but the older version has been released, and is licensed under the apache license, so the code HAS to be released. amirite?
[Nook Color Android Development] hazridi:
No, Apache is like the BSD license. How else do you think everyone can get away with not releasing full source code for every single customized Android version out there?

That said, chances of Google not releasing Honeycomb are pretty much zero, Google would instantly lose credibility.
[Nook Color Android Development] chisleu:
Thank you.
[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
Exactly right.

And the big advantage over Apple is Android being open source.

It allows the consumer many more choices, because it allows many more businesses to make products.
[Nook Color Android Development] lospulpo:
Are there any negative effects to changing ro.build.version.sdk=9 to 11 and leaving it set that way?

It allows our HC to install some of the apps from Xoom and other final Honeycomb builds. Reverting it back to 9 after install seems to make it disappear from the app drawer in launcher.
[Nook Color Android Development] j0ckinjz:
any1 else have a problem with the default launcher that the screen doesnt fit right?
[Nook Color Android Development] luigi90210:
if thats the case than how come webos and ios are closed sourced?

shouldnt they HAVE to release source code under GPL compliance?

they are linux based after all and linux is mainly distributed under GPL

here is a quote from wikipedia about apache licencing

besides google still has to make sd card drivers for honeycomb, its going to be a while before source code it released

EDIT: i know this is just a summary but im pretty sure google doesnt HAVE to release source code

but again the chances of that happening are next to 0 so there isnt anything to worry about really
[Nook Color Android Development] fzr-r4:
what build are you on? I don't think mine will boot set at 11. I did set it to 10, which is the latest finished gingerbread.
[Nook Color Android Development] RoboRay:
Linux and BSD/Unix are not the same thing. It would be far more accurate to say those closed systems are based on the same thing Linux is based on.
[Nook Color Android Development] painter_:
Linux was built from the ground up and is only a kernel. The rest of what you refer to is when you a Linux distribution is part of the GNU project. The Linux kernel and the GNU project are licensed under the various GPL and Apache licenses. These licenses require the release of the source code.

iOS and WebOS are licensed under the BSD license. The BSD License allows proprietary use, and for the software released under the license to be incorporated into proprietary products. Works based on the material may be released under a proprietary license or as closed source software.

Therefore if you want to create a project based off an open source platform you want to use a platform licensed under the BSD license not the GPL license.

Licensing is a pain the butt to deal with and this is at least how I understand the differences.
[Nook Color Android Development] RoboRay:
Well, yes, I just didn't see a need to bring up the old "linux is just a kernal, GNU would be an operating system if it had a kernel, you got chocolate in my peanut butter, no you got peanut butter on my chocolate" controversy. :p

Like it or not, inaccurate as it is, Linux is the common-usage name for GNU/Linux and no amount of correcting people will change that.
[Nook Color Android Development] painter_:
The point I was making was the difference between GPL and BSD license models.

GPL = must release source (android)

BSD = release of source is optional. (iOS and WebOS )

Although I like both chocolate and peanut butter.
[Nook Color Android Development] RoboRay:
Yes, it was a good point to clarify. :)

What I was trying to say was simply that those closed systems are not based on linux, as Luigi stated... although they do share a common Unix ancestor.
[Nook Color Android Development] hacku:
I think this thread has been completely derailed from its original intention.

Can we get a mod in here to clean the mess up?
[Nook Color Android Development] RobertsDF:
Agreed. This has gotten stupid.
[Nook Color Android Development] Divine_Madcat:
To be frank, what else could you expect?

Right now, we have no real solid Honeycomb builds. The SDK is dated, and we have no AOSP code, so there really isn't much to discuss. Discussion about licencing is as good as anything else...
[Nook Color Android Development] chisleu:
I always hated saying gnu anyway. Plus, having PERSONALLY seen Eric S Raymond make out with Mae Ling Mak, I will never say Gnu again.
[Nook Color Android Development] RoboRay:
Somebody made a comment about the release of Honeycomb source and replies were made explaining why that comment about Honeycomb wasn't possible, due to the way Honeycomb is licensed.

This is a Honeycomb thread, and the issue of source release is even referenced in the OP, so it it's on-topic.
[Nook Color Android Development] chisleu:
But Mae Ling Mak and hot grits are not? I think he may have been refering to the gnu/linux debate. totally doesn't belong here imo.
[Nook Color Android Development] thereddog:
Patiently waiting for HC.........
[Nook Color Android Development] luigi90210:
i have an extensive knowledge on computers(seeing as i work in that industry)

i know for a fact that macintosh, ios, and webos are based on linux(well partially at least)

here is the source so you can read it for yourself

https://ccrma.stanford.edu/guides/planetccrma/OS_X.html

now i know this relates to macintosh OS X but ios is based on OS x

im pretty sure WebOS is based like ios, but im not 100% sure

EDIT

i apologize for being off topic again but i am responding to replies on this thread

if others disagree with me than please send me a PM or link me to a thread so we can continue this debate
[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
You see generalizations are never correct.

In this case, Linux dates from 1991 and Macintosh at least 10 years prior to that.

Only if you say something specific, can it be correct (or not).

Generalizations accomplish nothing.
[Nook Color Android Development] SCWells72:
Not sure I agree with either of you. Mac OS X, on which iOS is based, was released in 1999 as a completely new OS based on NeXTSTEP, the BSD-derived OS from Jobs' previous company, NeXT. The OS X UI is a fusion of the prior Mac OS (shared top menu bar, Apple menu, etc.) and NeXTSTEP (dock).

I'm 99.9% confident that the OS X kernel does not contain any Linux-derived code. However, what we term "Linux" these days is generally a combination of the kernel (which is what Linux technically is) and the shell, utilities, UI, etc., that come in a Linux distribution. As someone else has already stated, most of the utilities are from the GNU project and they're included in both Linux distributions and, to a lesser extent, OS X. However, saying that OS X is Linux-based is not accurate, but neither is trying to prove that by saying that "Macintosh pre-dates Linux".
[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
No one can read any more (which is probably why they come to this Forum to remove the reader software. :D ).

He did not say "Mac OSX", he said "Macintosh".

Which was my point.

Technology is not about sweeping generalizations, it is about specific situations.

IF A= 8.5 THEN ____

ELSE IF A=15.3 THEN ____

not the generalization way of thinking, which is:

IF A EXISTS THEN

GOTO END because A is so great that we don't need anything else.

( People love generalizations because humans evolved in situations far simpler than modern society, and generalizations help us by mentally dismissing a large part of it.)
[Nook Color Android Development] RoboRay:
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you work in the computer industry and have extensive knowledge of the subject. Which components or elements of iOS are based on linux? Please be specific.
[Nook Color Android Development] jmhalder:
None, iOS is built using the Darwin kernel, which is BSD based... ass. (Obviously you were being sarcastic)

I think its been cleared up, but I'll reiterate.

GPL - Linux Kernel - Any modification must be available at request

Apache - Android - Modification does NOT need to be made available

If Google wanted to, they could simply not push HC to AOSP, but as mentioned, they would lose a lot of credibility. Plenty of people have also mentioned that it would take about a month before a AOSP release would drop, in 2 days, it will be a month. I'm sure a AOSP release is imminent.
[Nook Color Android Development] tgallant21:
looks like google is changing there "openness"

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm

no asop for the foreseeable future, oh well.....
[Nook Color Android Development] arrjaytea:
Welp, that's a shame.
[Nook Color Android Development] E_man5112:
I made this same response in another thread about it
[Nook Color Android Development] hacku:
Geez people, get the sand out of your vaginas.

Google pushed Honeycomb out in a rush to meet the Xoom deadline. Everyone knows that it wasn't 100% finished. They are simply waiting to release it until they are satisfied with their product.

As bad as I would love to get my hands on it too, I actually give them props for not releasing the unpolished product to the masses.
[Nook Color Android Development] javip:
from reading that article it looks like google is doing the right thing with it's product.

though they won't fully admit that hc was rushed out for the xoom, it sounds like they are holding it back so more in house development can be made before the community can get their collective hands on it.

i think this is a great, if frustrating move. yes, we will have to wait longer for hc on our nooks; but this just means that the source code itself will be that much more complete to work with.

speculation can be made all day and night, but in the end it's up to GOOG to decide what it wants to do with it's baby. for all we know we can wake up tomorrow with a nice fresh link to the entire hc aosp.
[Nook Color Android Development] Divine_Madcat:
Sorry, that might fly if it weren't for the Xoom (and the other handfull of tablets already shown running HC). I would have no problems if google had delayed the release of EVERYTHING, citing bugs and more time needed. But as it is, they DID allow a tier one maker to start selling devices using this OS - and i am sorry, but you can't call a piece of software beta if it is being marketed and sold on non beta devices.
[Nook Color Android Development] comdei:
Technically, OSX is UNIX based. I won't go into details but they are very similar.

Unix isn't far from linux but they are different familes...

Protip: linux is the best :p
[Nook Color Android Development] thunderstruck!:
It's not good enough to release the source code on, but it's good enough to put on a tablet that people pay $800 for and commit to a 2 year contract? As for it "not being finished and polished", give it to team douche and it will be far faster than Google will.
[Nook Color Android Development] lafester:
I think they are more concerned with companies releasing phones with 3.0 when it isn't ready for phones yet. the solution in my opinion is to release the source but leave out ALL of the phone related bits so nobody would attempt to use it that way.
[Nook Color Android Development] fhurricane:
When its ready? That could be months. ****, I just got a whle lot less excited about my nook.
[Nook Color Android Development] grasstrout:
Why wait? Im running honeycomb right now...take that google

Sent from my Nook Color with Honeycomb
[Nook Color Android Development] nfcrockett:
I'm thinking about selling my nc now. The only reason I purchased it was to put HC on it. *sad face*
[Nook Color Android Development] variable47:
First Duke Nukem Forever got delayed again, now the HC source? Today sucks. :-(
[Nook Color Android Development] cowballz69:
might aswell get a ipad for a tab then, both closed, ipad is just awhole lot smoother and has netflix
[Nook Color Android Development] lafester:
i bet somebody leaks it before too long.

too bad it has come to this though.
[Nook Color Android Development] E_man5112:
Source

As usual, people over react. Google is not closing the source code.
[Nook Color Android Development] dalingrin:
My guess is they will release the source around Google I/O. I've been suspecting this for a bit. Sounds like they want only one source for both tablets and phones which will be quite a task to finish before Google I/O.

Good news is this will give us more time to make an updated kernel for the Nook in preparation for HC.
[Nook Color Android Development] NuroSlam:
if i remeber correctly if something is created with an opensource/GPL tool it inherently becomes GPL as well, I hope google is not going to get into the IP game but if they do

in order for google to close the source they would have to strip out all opensourced code from it and and provide all code minus the closed sourced stuff (I seriously doubt they have done that) and and use 100% non GPL/OS tools to compile what they are keeping closed.

what i think is happening is google is watching all the IP lawsuits from M$ and trying to stay out of the courts
[Nook Color Android Development] NuroSlam:
Actually OS/X is bsd which is a different licensing scheme
[Nook Color Android Development] andrewklau:
Google is waiting for the law suites to die down, and they're probably working on something so that new OEM tablets don't use Froyo (etc.) anymore. Apparently they'd be sending out cease and desist letters to some of them (namely) HTC's flyer tablet as Froyo is meant for "smartphones" whereas "honeycomb" is meant for tablets.

We play the waiting game as usual as we are "only" the end users, as long as they get our $$ they don't care. Let the wait continue!!
[Nook Color Android Development] RoboRay:
Which is what I was saying. Thanks.
[Nook Color Android Development] poofyhairguy:
This.

As far as I am concerned the ASOP drop is delayed for one reason- so that Google "partners" like Samsung and Motorola (who pay great deals of money to have such a lofty status) doesn't have to watch their Honeycomb tablets compete with previous Froyo tablets (like the Nook, first Galaxy Tab, or the Viewsonic G-Tab) running Honeycomb.

It is VERY obvious from the pricing that these early Honeycomb tablet makers are expected pretty large margins on their first Honeycomb tablets in order to completely fleece a public that is craving this new hot device called a tablet! If a Xoom is $600 and a Nook Color is $250 and can provide a Honeycomb experience that is 3/4ths as good as the Xoom, why buy the Xoom?

THAT is what has ASOP Honeycomb locked up. The "can't port to cell phones" excuse is BS. People are already using the final SDK to port to cell phones. The difference is that these will be crappy ports instead of nice ports that could be done with ASOP. If Google cared about its image it would release Honeycomb to prevent these crappy final SDK ports from existing.

The reason is a money-grab, pure and simple. Motorola was considering its own OS to get away from a hyper-competitive Android market:

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/03/2...phone-os-android-shooting-itself-in-the-foot/

Maybe this is the new trick to keep companies like Motorola in the fold- the promise of exclusive access to Android releases for longer than before...
[Nook Color Android Development] arrjaytea:
You're running an impotent version of Honeycomb.

It's a lot like saying "I may be castrated, but dammit, I can still pee. Take that, Google."

To which Google's response would be "Good for you."

I'm as disappointed as anyone about this, as I definitely fall into the "Only bought a NC to run Honeycomb" crowd - but I've found other functional ROMS and feel pretty confident in the dev community taking this into their own hands and getting something done. It just won't be as soon as myself, and I'm sure many others, would have liked.

It isn't as if NC development is going to just stop, and in truth, all I really want are the softkeys/status bar on the bottom and the damned tablet Gmail, heh. If the current HC build had decent WiFi speeds and fewer force closes on apps myself and my wife use, I'd just run it to - but as it sits right now, it's absolutely not a fully functional OS (which isn't to deride the fantastic work Deeper Blue, Sam, and others have done to get it to the point it's at).