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[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
Tare, you sure got sensitive eyes!!! The only time I can really see the pentile matrix is when I'm browsing and reading the text against a white screen. Kind of disappointed that an LCD screen is pentiled :@ I originally thought that was an anomaly for AMOLED screens.
[Atrix 4G General] kevyh:
Now just $69.00 on Bell for new subscribers. It seems that it is still $169 for current Bell customers eligible for full hardware upgrade. I tried to get the price matched to $69 as I was within 14 days but the Bell Store would not bite. I have 2 phones so I was looking forward to a $200 refund. I called Bell Customer Retention and they said that they could not refund me the $200 but they did discount my plan to the tune of $396 over the 3yr contract.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Yes Amoled looks better, but Amoled (Even Super Amoled) phones are usually warmer and if you are browsing on whites, you can kiss your battery life goodbye...
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Obviously not soon enough. I'm really tired of the Telestra only BS... *sigh*
[Atrix 4G General] Jiimbo:
Hi all

can I buy an unlock Atrix in CA?

where can i find an unlock version?

thanks
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
I would love if of our canadian neighbors posted a speed test today please..
[Atrix 4G General] kenio8185:
I thought Att didn't allow max speeds.
[Atrix 4G General] spuzzum:
bell store doesn't open for another hour and thirty-six minutes on the west coast but i'll see what i can do to give a speed test img.

Eastern Canada bell has been open for atleast an hour and a half so i would expect something soon.
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
Really appreciated
[Atrix 4G General] guitar_east:
I'm curious to see if side loading of apps is blocked like the ATT&T version. Also awaiting the speed tests...I use like 30 gb a month of data with my unlimited plan with Bell and regularly get calls from them telling me to stop using my data so much...so if this runs at 14.4mb/s (as the Bell site says it does) then sweet deal
[Atrix 4G General] xryousukex:
Hoping att atrix will be able to flash the radio modem software over from the bell...

unlocked bootloader for bell is unlikely but i would for sure get bells version over att if this was the case
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
Heh I forgot to run a speed test... when I go down for lunch I'll try and run one. But the Bell store is underground so I'm not sure how good the 3G speed would be down there, but I did notice it had quite good signal so we'll see.
[Atrix 4G General] ahmarchi:
lol as soon as someone gets it, someone get Da_G a system dump to see if we can flash yalls radio unto our crappy (radio) att device.... :)
[Atrix 4G General] mahgiaz47:
Just wondering, what keyboard software does the BELL ATRIX come with?
[Atrix 4G General] guitar_east:
the ATT&T one comes with the Motorola Multiouch one, I'd assume it'd be the same here
[Atrix 4G General] groaner:
Ping 123

D 4556

U 380

Just got back to the office.

First app installed was speedtest.net
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
Come on lol I am dying to know ....
[Atrix 4G General] guitar_east:
....

That's worse then what I get on my Nexus One. I'll get 4682 down, and 1837 up. bumba
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
Run another one to verify
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
Just got to fiddle with one for a good 15 mins...

1) Are the icons too small because of the qHD resolution + 4" screen?

- Big enough for me. Was not a problem.

2) Are the colors washed out?

- "Washed out" is too harsh a description. The Bell rep had a SGS so I compared a picture of a banana on both. Yellow "popped" more on the SGS, but was "not bad" on the Atrix.

3) Is zoomed out text pixelated in the browser (PenTile screen)?

-Not noticeable. Text is too small anyway so you need to zoom in.

4) How bad is the Motoblur lag?

- BAD. You can see it when you hit "Home" button on the homescreen to get the "helicopter view". However, I'm pretty sure Go Launcher or LauncherPro will eliminate it.

5) How smooth does flash play in the browser? (I realize it's the non-optimized-for-Tegra Flash 10.1 running)

- That was what won be over. I played a video on CNN (full site) and it was silky smooth. Unless one Nexus S user can report similar playback, this phone will be mine. Also, this was Flash 10.1, not even the Tegra-optimized 10.2

6) Is it true that Live Wallpapers make it lag?

- I tested "Water" and it was alright. It's a shame the Samsung wallpapers won't work on the Atrix, but with all the qHD phones coming out, I believe we'll see plenty more qHD wallpapers.

7) Outdoor viewability?

- I took it outside and it was pretty decent.

---------------------------------

Overall verdict: I'm getting it. The HTC Pyramid disappointed on benchmarks (it does have an A8-based SoC anyway) and I'm guessing it won't have a battery as good as the Atrix, which would make its battery life worse -not to mention the power inefficiency of Cortex A8 compared to A9 processors.

I loved how light and thin it felt, and the screen just occupies the entire front, which looks pretty spectacular. The only CON I can think of it the fact it won't be getting Ice Cream Sandwich till the end of the year; which is a shame given this update will include GPU acceleration for the UI and browser -something Tegra 2 can take advantage of.

Yes, pinch-to-zoom was slightly choppy, but I presume one of the ROMs here will take care of that.
[Atrix 4G General] co.ag.2005:
and Swype...
[Atrix 4G General] groaner:
hmm, uploads seem to be wonky in Ottawa

6943/428

5539/428

5412/428

turning off GPS and WIFI (not connected) improved the download speed.
[Atrix 4G General] mahgiaz47:
Thanks a lot both you.
[Atrix 4G General] vista1984:
download speed is impressive, upload is better too and stable (all 428?:))

nice post, thanks.
[Atrix 4G General] co.ag.2005:
thanks for the post.

I would love for my download speeds to even be half of those! (I get 1000kbps-2500kbps regularly). It's also nice to see upload speeds above 300kbps so far.
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
Cap or no cap on canada? What do you guys think?
[Atrix 4G General] sabesh:
Odd, does Bell have an U/L Cap too? I am getting 390 with my AT&T Atrix on Rogers. Really doesn't matter, as I never do large uploads from my phones anyways, lol.
[Atrix 4G General] slaman:
Noone answer whether the bootloader was unsigned or not... anyone?
[Atrix 4G General] s0dhi:
These numbers are very similar to what I am getting with my AT&T branded Atrix on Rogers.

It is probably too early to say, but these numbers suggest the radio code is most likely the same for both Bell & AT&T devices. More data will help to confirm.
[Atrix 4G General] vista1984:
download of mine never over 1600kbps,, da*n ny city
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
I'll test the CNN site on my NS and get back to you. I've done it before and I think it's just as smooth but I'll check again. For pinch to zoom getting smoother on ROMs, it's unlikely because the browser isn't GPU accelerated so unless those ROMs magically have better drivers, it won't make a difference.

What I did notice with pinch to zoom on the browser is when you zoom out, you can zoom WAY out and make the page a tiny square in the center of the screen, but it becomes very choppy and laggy. This is most likely a motorola addition to the browser as the stock android browser doesn't do this - the most you can zoom out is the page itself filling edge-to-edge, not making the page a tiny postage stamp in the middle of a blank screen. Motorola has tried to add these UI tweaks all over the place and they end up being terrible.
[Atrix 4G General] scorneil:
From the concourse level of Royal Bank Plaza downtown Toronto I got

3832 down

1869 up

pic at my twitter @scorneil

(not enough posts to add pic)
[Atrix 4G General] sabesh:
That's more like it.
[Atrix 4G General] co.ag.2005:
mmmm.... delicious!
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
Now that is the shiznit that I was looking for !! how many tests did you run ? can you take a screen shot, please ? I really need it for my petition
[Atrix 4G General] armrob:
I just played with one at the bell store and I'm pretty impressed,as opposed to my desire HD.

Runs smooth even with motoblur. No lag changing between apps or scrolling . But it did run pretty hot after using it with the laptop dock.

I noticed it comes with apps for DLNA and WiFi hotspot. And also in applications. You can check to install apps from unknown sources.

I like that in accounts . You get choices like facebook,yahoo,Twitter,Picasa,Photobucket,linkedin. Also lots of Motorola widgets plus the Android ones.

I think I'm gonna get rid of my desire HD to get one.
[Atrix 4G General] scorneil:
just 1

pic at my twitter @scorneil

(not enough posts to add pic)
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
Well please do let me know. The only real-life benefit to Tegra 2 -for me- is Flash performance in the browser. Some Nexus S reviews I've seen showed extremely 'sad' flash performance.
[Atrix 4G General] co.ag.2005:
looking at your yfrog image, it appears this speedtest was done on wifi.
[Atrix 4G General] scorneil:
oh snap i didn't notice that. noob
[Atrix 4G General] sabesh:
Actually, the biggest Tegra advantage for me is the fact that I can load up any # of active widgets and push services without slowing down the phone: I've never had that luxury before with an Android phone. Cheers.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
That's true; although you'll probably remove half these widgets and disable all the push services once you witness the impact they have on battery life.
[Atrix 4G General] sabesh:
Nope, I get 14 hours with everything loaded, which is perfect, as I re-charge during nights anyways. I get an additional 2-3 hours once I run the Green Power app. Cheers.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
That's awesome. Insta buy.
[Atrix 4G General] veshio:
Any news on the boot-loader?
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
Can you run one with the WIFI on please?
[Atrix 4G General] groaner:
This thing is awesome. Its nice to have swype back too!

I'll get used to the screen. It is a little different, but not in a bad way.

Data connectivity through walls sends better. I get a much stronger connection in the basement than I did with the desire z.
[Atrix 4G General] Immix:
Dude, your wifi is on in the twitter pic.

http://yfrog.com/h346mqwj
[Atrix 4G General] scorneil:
Yes, I fail.

Reran

D: 5241

U: 400

sorry to get everyones hopes up

pic at twitter @scorneil
[Atrix 4G General] guitar_east:
Thats great to hear!
[Atrix 4G General] nineline506:
2 tests while driving

2967 D 406 U

3621 D 407 U

2 at work ( old phone didnt have reception to make calls in my office)

2985 D 408 U

1252 D 377 U

In Hampton New Brunswick
[Atrix 4G General] Immix:
Is anyone on Bell getting upload speeds greater than ~400 on any other device? Nexus One for example.
[Atrix 4G General] radman_84:
In Edmonton I'm getting 1700-1800 upload on my Nexus One on Bell, running CM7 RC2 with 5.08.00.04 radio.
[Atrix 4G General] Trilloid:
I have a Nexus One on Bell, I'm getting 1700-1800 upload.
[Atrix 4G General] seven2099:
Incredible PHONE!!!!!!!!

OMG just picked one up.

Wow. absolutely amazing phone mang, love the screen. great responsiveness.

I honestly notice NO lag whatsoever. This is coming from a Desire Z and a Galaxy S
[Atrix 4G General] Da_G:
Someone who picked up a bell atrix.. pm me :)

I want to walk you through the steps to make a full dump of the rom (/system, /osh, /pds, radio rom, etc.) so that we can make a good comparo to the AT&T atrix and possibly pull the radio is HSUPA is enabled. Thanks :)
[Atrix 4G General] danielel:
Whats about the bootloader? is it unlocked?

it seems no one bothers to check it, the most important thing here. if you'll get the bootloader unlocked you can do everything, including activating HSUPA.
[Atrix 4G General] franciscojavierleon:
There is NO reason to believe Bell will get an unlocked bootloader. The bootloader policy is moto's, not AT&T's.

Now, the HSUPA policy is indeed AT&T's, but according to the evidence here it's capped too! Someone on Bell write write to and ask if HSUPA is enabled!
[Atrix 4G General] Inspiredwire:
The phone was just released so calm down about bootloader information. :)
[Atrix 4G General] danielel:
Theres always a chance.

I understand why it is not really reasonable, but you must check it.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
Probably because it's something you can't find out in the store with the device? If I'm not mistaken, it took XDA around a week to figure it out, and they had some help from a Motorola rep making the infamous announcement.
[Atrix 4G General] sabesh:
How does one check if the BL is locked or not, while at the store? :)
[Atrix 4G General] guitar_east:
Yeah, on my Nexus One I regularly get 1800 upload.
[Atrix 4G General] mahgiaz47:
I'm guessing Bell Atrix bootloader is signed.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
What I don't understand is why is the HSUPA capped? It has nothing to do with 4G, LTE, or whatever they want to call it. HSUPA is a 3G technology already prevalent on 3G capable phones.
[Atrix 4G General] nitewalker033:
Still nobody with 1 yet?
[Atrix 4G General] C.Flat:
Bell's other phones have HSUPA enabled

My Desire Z regularily exceeds 2000kbps upload.

See here:
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
Just did this test at the bell store in Scotia bank plaza downtown Toronto. seems the upload is capped at 400...

edit: The download speed was very good though. In the status menu my signal was -55dba which is very good for where I was (underground).

Also I noticed there was extreme pixel banding on gradient images. You can't see it in the picture but at the top of the speed test app the buttons are a grey that has a gradient... it looks horrible for some reason. Maybe the display drivers are bad. Anyway, I was also playing some HQ youtube videos side by side in the store with my nexus and the black levels on the atrix just suck. I'm sorry but the screen is great at displaying whites, but the blacks look horrible like an old washed out LCD screen from 1992. Everyone watching said the nexus was better hands down.

On a side note, playing those youtube videos got the Atrix pretty hot... while my Nexus S didn't get hot at all, just mildly warm. Not sure what's up with that... and my NS is overclocked too lol
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
Is this a Bell decision or a hardware limitation? I'm taking the Atrix outside Canada; need to know if this is the case...
[Atrix 4G General] C.Flat:
It might just be because the AT&T version has it disabled, and since Bell and AT&T have the same 3G bands and Moto was lazy used the exact same radio.
[Atrix 4G General] plemen:
How do I check if the bootloader is unsigned/unlocked? Someone please post instructions and I will check on my Atrix when I pick it up in an hour.
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
I just played some videos on the full CNN site on my nexus S and it's fine. It's not movie quality, but it's still smooth enough to be watchable, probably 15-20 frames per second. I'll compare it to the Atrix side by side after work and let you know. If you want to watch videos on your phone, the Nexus S blows the atrix away merely because of the screen. The colors and blacks are so much better on the Nexus S. The atrix, however, fares much better for websites and things with white images. Reading black text on white sites was better on the Atrix. But the pentile still rears its ugly head... for example the green screen before a movie trailer on the you tube app looked very strange and grainy.

In the end it'll depend on how you want to use the device and which network you want to be on. If you must be on Bell or any other 850mhz 3G carrier, then the Atrix should be your choice. If you can live with Wind (and pay less for more) then I'd have to say the Nexus S is more compelling.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
The Nexus S culprit -for me- is its battery life with the "white screen dominated" web browsing... which I do a lot. I don't want to "have to" invert colors to maintain battery life.

I'm buying the Atrix with no contract for $600... I would be saving $100 if I went for the Nexus S (out next month), and I'd be getting Ice Cream Sandwich first. But I just can't hold myself back from using the phone because of its battery life.

The Atrix played the CNN movie flawlessly -desktop smoothness, and that's before the Tegra 2 optimized 10.2 flash update.

Other reasons include:

- 720p video recording

- View and edit Office out of the box. no $14.99 app needed

- Tegra 2 will have more value once the games and apps hit
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
If web browsing is your thing, then get the Atrix, it's a very good phone. I'm considering one myself because of the battery but since my lineage is the Nexus One and Nexus S, I'm not sure I could deal with no ROMs to flash.
[Atrix 4G General] sabesh:
Of course the NS has better colours because it has a Super AMOLED screen! My Samsung Focus blows away the colours on my Atrix. However, the Atrix's and iPhone-4's screens are better @ displaying text and great for browsing due to a clear, higher res screen. Two different screen types for different applications (and yes, I have all three phones I mentioned: I'm crazy that way, lol). The downside of SAMOLED screens is that they suck at text (thus far: let's see how the "+" version fares). I could never get used to surfing on my Focus or the Captivate I previously owned. Cheers.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
The + version dropped the PenTile so text AND images will be flawless... however, PenTile was there for a reason: Battery life... so expect a catastrophic battery life on the SGS2 (unless they reduce brightness to compensate for that, which is doable since the + version is brighter)
[Atrix 4G General] shadowreaper:
1st. 1637/400

2nd. 3289/399

3rd. 1463/340

Inside, Waterloo Ontario
[Atrix 4G General] sabesh:
Dang, I didn't know that. I was hoping that the + version would be the best thing since sliced bread! The battery life on my Captivate sucked, even with tweaked, lean custom ROMs running only essential apps. I hope that the GS2 fares better than the Captivate.
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
The Galaxy 2 has a 1650mah battery instead of the captivate's 1500 which should equalize the higher screen draw. Who knows, maybe samsung has developed a more efficient panel for the SAMOLED Plus screen so it's impossible to speculate right now. Also the dual core in the phone should reduce power draw as well. If anything, I would expect the Galaxy 2 to have similar life to the current galaxy, perhaps a tad more, but not as much as the Atrix due to it's behemoth 1930mah battery.

Then again... the iPhone 4 gets great battery life with a 1400 something mah battery. (Although the hummingbird in the iPhone 4 is underclocked to 800mhz)
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
True, but the SGS2 also has a bigger screen (4.3")....
[Atrix 4G General] vista1984:
+1

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[Atrix 4G General] Ririal:
There's a bunch of apps that will do that. The reason the gradient looks bad is because of the higher resolution screen, the app is using static images instead of a true gradient, so it's stretching it. It's lazy programming and nothing wrong with the phone itself.
[Atrix 4G General] kennethpenn:
If someone is knowledgeable/brave enough to attempt installation of either Adeo or GingerBlur, I'm curious to see if they work perfectly over the stock Bell ROM.

My guess is yes, but we'll see. :cool:
[Atrix 4G General] kenio8185:
http://www.speedtest.net/android/38620952.png

Vancouver bc

Someone tell me, is this good?
[Atrix 4G General] kennethpenn:
No it isn't very good.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
Sadly...it is starting to look like the Bell version also has HSUPA disabled.
[Atrix 4G General] xryousukex:
can someone ask a bell employee why its been disabled? i'm sure they dont know either but its worth a short. very frustrating that bell and att has done this...

thunderbolt's speed looks awesome but its a desire hd with a ffc and lte chip, would prefer a more up to date hardware than that...
[Atrix 4G General] drock212:
I have blur with no launchers and I didn't freeze any of its features and I have experienced 0 lag. No pixeled lettering ever for me the colors are fine I have no complaints I mean its not a super smiled but its nice. Icons are fine not big or small perfect size for the screen and you can resize a lot of widgets. It should come with flash 10.2 which is optimized if not you can find 10.2 in the apps section of here or you can wait till tomorrow when its in the app store. I don't use live wallpapers as they kill battery so can't comment and I use my phone outside all the time in direct light and don't have too much trouble see at all infact its better than just about any phone I've had. hope all that helps
[Atrix 4G General] sileralias:
Im getting the Same Result as fair as speed test go 410 kbps constant.
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
well at least you guys got an extra 100 kbps ..lol
[Atrix 4G General] sabesh:
I get that with the AT&T Atrix as well .. on the Rogers (Canada) network. Cheers.
[Atrix 4G General] kenio8185:
I just tested it at my house and got about 4500kbps for download speed. I suspect China town was just far away from the towers.

I think Bell just hasn't activated (or whatever you would call it) the HSPA+ on its towers, but I do know they're working on it.
[Atrix 4G General] C.Flat:
They have it ready on the towers. The desire z has the same advertised internet speeds. I get 2mpbs+ upload speeds. Their towers are activated. This is the phone itself that's HSUPA is currently disabled. It probably has the same crippled AT&T radio

Download speeds are fine, but upload is crippled
[Atrix 4G General] TheKenAnthony:
So i have a motorola atrix test device and i put my att sim in and got 1.7mps upload speeds on speedtest.net app... now granted this phone is not att branded factory unlocked by motorola and no att bloatware.. but it is a atrix and does have a att sim in it and it is not capped!! ..
[Atrix 4G General] lsxrx7:
can u give Da_G the system dump maybe ?
[Atrix 4G General] TheKenAnthony:
yeah i sent him a PM just waiting on him to respond...
[Atrix 4G General] ronj1986:
Please be patient & wait for him to respond.....do you know how long you will hace the test device?.
[Atrix 4G General] sabesh:
You sure you turned off WiFi while running the speed test, right? Just asking, as we had someone else post WiFi speeds by mistake. Thanks.
[Atrix 4G General] groaner:
holy crapoly

best so far, in my basemsent, east end Ottawa
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
Anyone try rooting their bell atrix? I picked one up today to play around with and most likely will return it but I wanted to try rooting and perhaps the ginger blur ROM lol...
[Atrix 4G General] TheKenAnthony:
Yes wifi was turned off...
[Atrix 4G General] TheKenAnthony:
i will have till i get rid of... its mine..
[Atrix 4G General] TheKenAnthony:
seen someone tried the gingerblur rom on the bell atrix and it put it into a boot loop!!!
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
Did you get in contact with Da_G yet ?
[Atrix 4G General] Sunset Rider:
Hey guys I'm trying to get my shaw email setup, I have all the right settings, but everytime I go to send an email it says it doesn't support authentication?

I can receive fine but ya, can't send any.

Any help?
[Atrix 4G General] TheKenAnthony:
talking with him on AIM right now!!
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
YESS !! Thanks a lot

I have been back and forth with stupid AT&T and can't go nowhere...this is our last resort !

Please keep us updated !
[Atrix 4G General] sabesh:
Agreed. I hope That something comes out of this!
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
Hey Kenio, were you able to get your phone at the chinatown store? I'm assuming it's in Toronto? lol Did you buy it on contract or off contract. If you haven't, can you ask if they'd sell the phone at $599 to non Bell customer? I don't see the point of paying a monthly plan and activation fee. Trying to see where I can get the best *deal*.

Might be a random question. But has anyone bought the Atrix at Pacific Mall?
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
Any news ?:)