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[Atrix 4G General] leadguy68:
1. Definately not, seems the same as any other android phone

2. Nope, colors are vibrant and look great

3. I havent noticed any problems with text... I read alot of forums and ebooks on mine without issue

4. Not noticable.

5. Quite. Ive watched lots of youtube/flash video with out issue....... very smooth

6. No clue... i dont use them as they're a battery drain

7. Excellent outdoor visability. Probably not the best, but I havent had any issues.
[Atrix 4G General] kenio8185:
I'll be picking mine up today, gotta do a few other things first though. Gonna head to the gym today in about 30 minutes (as I do every morning), then I have school till 12:30, then I'm off to pick up the phone. However, I'm getting from a Chinatown store (even though I'm not Asian) since the person there gives me a discount on the phones (on top of my renewal discount), but they sometimes do get phones a little late. If they do have it, the I'll get it, and if anyone has any questions, I'd be happy to test out and answer.

One question from me though, what does HSUPA enabled mean? I know what HSUPA is, but if it's enabled, does that mean we get full speed, or does that mean that the speed has been blocked (as with the ATT version of the phone)?
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
Congrats on being awesome.

Phew. Glad you cleared that up preemptively.
[Atrix 4G General] justdrew:
it mean we get max hsupa speeds that att allows since the at&t version is restricted in software
[Atrix 4G General] darklipslide:
Is there a lot of bloatware on the Bell version?
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
Just played with one... it's a nice phone. Screen is nice, not sure why people complain about it and I'm very picky with screens. Although they're right about the yellows looking odd, and also green looks pixelated but it's not that bad.

It's decently fast, didn't notice much Bell stuff on it, just the normal Motoblur crap. Put launcher pro on it to test, very smooth so good alternative. Browser pinch to zoom was a bit choppier than my Nexus S for some reason, perhaps it's because it's 2.2 instead of 2.3? Also google maps was choppier when looking at 3D buildings (downtown Toronto) than the Nexus S, probably due to the SGX540 GPU in the Nexus S being as powerful as the Tegra 2's geforce but not having to display as many pixels as the Atrix. Still, it's not that bad, liveable I suppose.

The bottom line for me was do I want a 2.2 phone knowing how much more polished 2.3 is and also giving up 40/mo unlimited EVERYTHING from Wind to pay 55/mo for 1gb of data and only 200 any time minutes on Bell. Right now I'd have to say no, but this is the best phone in the Canadian market right now (I'm excluding the Nexus S).
[Atrix 4G General] haloimplant:
...sorry that's my galaxy s. ;) Just showing that the Bell network is certainly capable, if only to this extent at 4am when it's not busy downtown.

On this note I wonder would 14.4mbps help when this 7.2mbps phone slows to 0.5-1mbps during the day? Looking into the details of HSDPA, the difference between 7.2 and 14.4 is two-fold, 50% more channels (10->15) and about 30% higher code rate. So assuming the network allocates the same number of channels when things are busy, you still might see a ~30% improvement (on the downstream anyways lol). It really is a bit of gyp to call this phone '4G', it's not even HSPA+, just the fastest tier of HSDPA. Galaxy S2 with 21 mbps might be the first HSPA+ phone we'll see, who knows if that will help either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access

I wonder if Bell will sort this out for you guys or not. Somebody mentioned this isn't Bell's fault, but come on. All they had to do was take one out of the box to see that it was crippled and ask for it to be fixed it they wanted. Interestingly, if you look at the Atrix tech specs on Bell they only mention download speed...although it seems they do this for all phones it does get them off the hook for false advertising.

As for what upload is good for how about taking pictures and e-mailing them or uploading them to a website or dropbox? I do this from time to time. A 5MP photo is about 1.5MB, that's 30 seconds each at 400kpbs and about 6-12 seconds with the 1-2 Mbps I typcially see on HSUPA (a blazing 3s on an empty network!).
[Atrix 4G General] bfksc:
I'm sure Bell is aware of the capped upload speeds. My downloads have been quite good, but since HSUPA is disabled, the phone can NOT live up to it's capabilities. I'm hoping a Gingerbread or sooner update will fix these issues.

On another note, I've noticed that my Bell Atrix shows only "E" or "H+" for network type in the notification bar, never "3G" even when it switches to UMTS from HSDPA on the Rogers network (using *#*#4636#*#* for the hidden Testing app) just like the AT&T model. This further indicates that the firmware is basically the same as the AT&T version, which disappoints and all Bell users should complain about it. We're paying for the highly advertised "4G network" and HSDPA/HSUPA speeds, but we're not getting them with the Atrix due to firmware restrictions.

EDIT: for those who are unaware, HSDPA is download, and HSUPA is upload speeds. Bell advertises HSUPA at 7.2mbps, and we're not getting it.
[Atrix 4G General] NFHimself:
Hi,

The system partition was clean yes, just a psneuter temp root done to get all the files properly, I did it before I read this thread so I had to manually fix the ownership to match the device using ls -n -A etc, mostly 0.0 own. It likely won't be a hash check match. I was running ubuntu when I did it, my firefox/chromium/whatever is borked there, can't post here or upload pics or files, have to do it through win7.

Probably best to do the dd dumps, I have it done for myself, but uploading a gig or so of data to dropbox would take longer than cracking the bootloader, and I am not sending /data. :)

Cheers!
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
lol...classic :)
[Atrix 4G General] scorneil:
sweet, hopefully this will help out
[Atrix 4G General] haloimplant:
The Atrix has HSUPA 5.76 (just like the Galaxy S and most current high-end phones) but yes you should be getting it, with real transfer speeds up to about 4 Mbps depending on signal strength and network load.

I also wonder if your download speed maybe be limited by the slow upload, with only 400kbps and assuming you might ideally be able see about 12 mbps from HSDPA 14.4 (7.2 seems to peak at about 6) that's trying to push a 30:1 ratio.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
It's the HSDPA that is supposed to be 7.2mbps.
[Atrix 4G General] mahgiaz47:
UPDATE: Been to Pacific Mall...they have no Atrix

And aRoot or superoneclick for rooting

BELL

Atrix????
[Atrix 4G General] crnkoj:
uhm guys, stupid question and it has probably been written somewhere already, but what is the version of the software on the bell atrix?
[Atrix 4G General] scorneil:
I used aRoot, worked great first time no issues
[Atrix 4G General] mahgiaz47:
THanks a lot
[Atrix 4G General] NFHimself:
Some asked about version info:
[Atrix 4G General] :
Can someone with a Bell Atrix please answer these questions for me I am planning on getting mine in a couple of weeks.

1. Can you sideload apps without rooting?

2. If you unlocked the phone

through Bell

($75) to work on another carrier does the wifi still work? What network are you using it on?

3. If you unlocked the phone

through a cell phone unlock service

($20-$40) to work on another carrier does the wifi still work? What network are you using it on?

4.What are the Bloatware apps and can they be removed?

Thank you if you answer them they will help me a lot. :)
[Atrix 4G General] Sugarkryptonite:
OK So after reading a lot about the Atrix and the numerous problems it has (anyone see the 12-16 second double touch bug?), the question I have for everyone on Bell is: If you were to get another phone at Bell, what would you get (excluding iPhone)?

Elliott
[Atrix 4G General] bfksc:
I'm not sure as I haven't tried.

There is only one unlock code for each IMEI or phone, so the code you get or Bell uses to unlock your phone is the same code you buy from an unlock service. I have the Bell Atrix, I unlocked it through an online site, I'm using it Rogers, and my WiFi works just fine.

There are several apps that Bell installed, like the PVR, SelfServe apps, etc. They can be deleted from the desktop and likely removed from the phone under Settings, Applications.
[Atrix 4G General] y2whisper:
1. YES YOU CAN! :)

2&3. I unlocked mine through mobileincanada for $20 4 hours later I got my code and wifi was working

4. I assume they can be removed using a program like titanium backup.
[Atrix 4G General] perry_henis:
Loving my Atrix

Using launcher pro with my bell atrix and LOVIN it. i used to be a bb user for the past 5 yrs. I dont know how you can even label bb's as smartphones compared to this.

Dont mean to hijack the thread but i'm in need of an otterbox commuter case shipped to edmonton before friday... anyone know of a good online store n canada that have these n stock?
[Atrix 4G General] groaner:
Amazon.ca has them.

http://www.amazon.ca/OtterBox-Commu...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1300720299&sr=8-1

I ordered the Impact and expect it will be here before friday.
[Atrix 4G General] scorneil:
i found this info last night but haven't tried it yet

http://canadroid.com/2011/03/20/removing-moto-blur-from-your-bell-motorola-atrix/
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
Can you please clarify? What's the benefi of busybox. So is aRoot better?

3)I was told by a Bell rep that Bell will not unlock the Atrix for you due to it being Bell's exclusive phone.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
aRoot is better in the sense it was written for the Atrix, so yes. Busybox is required for certian apps or functions when a phone is rooted but it is not a good thing to have 2 installs of busybox, which aRoot avoids since the phone already has it.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
If you root your phone, your phone needs Busybot to get Admin permissions.

Bottom line, however you decide to root your phone, make sure Busybot is downloaded and installed if it's not on your device automatically after rooting it...
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Busybox is already installed on the Atrix
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Don't have the Atrix yet, (still deciding between Bell & AT&T) but I have rooted phones before where I had to put BB on separately... ;)
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Right, not every Android phone has BB out of the box, I'm just saying that the Atrix does. If you read the aRoot thread, DG points that out clearly which is why he wrote aRoot
[Atrix 4G General] bossman74:
Did you return it, do they make you jump through hoops for it ?
[Atrix 4G General] :
Niether GingerBlur nor Adeo work. I guess we have to ... wait.:mad:
[Atrix 4G General] StuartInAlberta:
Greetings from Edmonton, curious about Launcher -- not having a good time with Motoblur, so, any further info would be appreciated. Also, I simply took the $14.95 smoke slip cover. I find the Gorilla glass is tough and doesn't need protection and I prefer to skip the bulk; my $.02 (Cdn)....
[Atrix 4G General] prince_72:
Few days ago I bought the Atrix, I unlocked it and I use it in Fido.

My download speeds are 2-3Mbits down and 350Kbits up. The worse

is the latency which is in the 250ms range.

With my Nexus the latency was 100-120 max and the upload 1.5Mbits

Even better with my Galaxy S the latency was 80ms, download 4-5Mbits and 1.5 upload.

From these 3 phones the Galaxy is by far the better in terms of speed and latency.

Motorola should fix the USUPA really fast otherwise the phone is not worth it
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
^--Why is latency important? It's the communication speed/time between towers right? I thought more pings the better :confused:
[Atrix 4G General] surbringer:
A little question for thoses who bought the Bell atrix...

Did you manage to buy it without contract?

How much did you pay for it?
[Atrix 4G General] Greenbelt:
I got mine from a bell store. I went pretty much everywhere and no one would selll it to me outright, so I ended up paying for a $30 monthly plan and cancelling it the next day. The phone cost around 670 taxes included, but ill be getting a 30$ bill in the mail at the end of the month.
[Atrix 4G General] mickliq:
The Source...no questions asked, they sold it outright with no contract or obligation whatsoever.
[Atrix 4G General] n4d3r:
I got mine from Costco off contract. No problems
[Atrix 4G General] bossman74:
I got mine at my local Bell store, the beautiful, but so incompetent clerk first didn't want to sell it off contract, stating "We were specifically told not to do that"...

I told her to use her slow bell internet connection and see for herself that they sold it for $599.95 plus tax.

She finally agreed to sell it to me, but not without adding $15 for a sim card and activation. Which I got credited on my account by calling Bell's costumer support.

So that was on Monday, really impressed by the speed and GPS of the phone. The finger scanner is also very effective

But the screen (colours are horrible), the camera and Motoblur are too much of a turn off for me, I'll return it tomorrow, and go back to my SGS (with is gorgeous screen) turns out, it's a pretty good phone after all (minus the GPS) ;)

I know I didn't give it much chance, but I was also disappointed battery autonomy, I hardly made through the day with moderate use, with the dual core and bigger battery I hoped for more.

I wish you guys all the best with your phone, and hope the bootloader gets unlocked so you can enjoy some awesome ROM's.
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
You weren't charged for an activation fee of $35?

I got mine at TBooth. No question ask :) Just shop around. If the first store rejects you, go to the next. You end up saving over $65 ($30 monthly plan and $35 activation fee)
[Atrix 4G General] darklipslide:
Yes I also had success at TBooth.

I ended up getting an AT&T Atrix in addition so I'll try to see if I can return the one I got at TBooth with little hassle.
[Atrix 4G General] Greenbelt:
Activation fees are being waved until the end of the month.
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
I was told by the 3 Bell stores that this was only for 3 years activation.

I guess the AT&T one is cheaper. How much did you get for it?
[Atrix 4G General] darklipslide:
Got it from Ebay with Extras + Unlocked for about $620
[Atrix 4G General] sleepovr:
I got mine from Wireless Wave for $599 with no questions asked. I then got it unlocked from cellunlock.net for $10.
[Atrix 4G General] zenrag:
Actually, I think it is hardware/software all the way. I just purchased an unlocked AT&T to use on Telus's network (same network as Bell)

I got the last data D/L and U/L

3854/422

3212/422

2875/419

3138/341

3319/421

Pretty consistent
[Atrix 4G General] 4mynikka:
How long did it take for the code to arrive? I ordered mine last night.
[Atrix 4G General] n4d3r:
how fast is your Atrix on the Fido network?? I am not getting much of a speed, maybe .2 mbps upload and 2mbp download if i'm lucky?
[Atrix 4G General] prince_72:
Hi Roze

For me the latency is the most important factor for a phone. The Atrix right now has

big latency. It does not justified it's modem capabilities.

If you want to play game or to use video chat, call then latency is what you are looking for. The smallest the better. With my Galaxy S I can get 80ms.

I think Motorola should re-write the modem firmware or to find out the problem.

Even if the Atrix is capped to 400kbits again it does not justified the big latency
[Atrix 4G General] sleepovr:
I had the code in less then 30 minutes.
[Atrix 4G General] nikechristo:
Any news on Bell SBF? Anyone know when it will arrive? I have a bricked bell atrix next to me. :(
[Atrix 4G General] raybond25:
what did you try to do? you can boot into fastboot mode and push some stock files then reboot

for example, i tested a theme that used edited framework-res files from here and soft-bricked my atrix, but was able to restore the orginal files back to it.
[Atrix 4G General] nikechristo:
This is what happened,

After rooting my phone I accidentally deleted one the many moto apps (don't remember the exact app's name) using root uninstaller. As soon as I realized I deleted one of the system apps, I wanted to bring the app back, so I thought doing a hard reset will reflash everything back to stock but I was wrong.

After the hard reset my phone won't go past motoblur activation. When I enter my motoblur account details, it tries to login but after a while I get "An internal server error has occured. Please try again" (I am fairly sure that this is because of app I deleted).

I tried skip setup but no use.

I found the Bell atrix dump with all APKs from this thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1004503&highlight=dump

but I do not know how to install the APKs with debugging off (hard reset turned debugging off and I can't open settings and turn it back on as I'm stuck in motoblur activation screen).

Do you think you can help me? What does fastboot do? This is my first android device.
[Atrix 4G General] raybond25:
alright, i'll toss you a PM, it's easier to keep track that way.
[Atrix 4G General] GlitchZero:
Damn, I wish I actually saw this thread when it was started, I had the device for a week before this was even posted. @_@ I could've answered the bootloader / HSUPA question right away. :(

This device has been a massive disappointment to me, excluding that it works much better in my basement than my Desire Z.

Speedtests have all been fairly horrendous.

U / D since March 11th;

1168/359

157/18 (No ****)

1802/404

1243/266 (just now)

Pathetic. The Milestone made me hate Motorola enough, this device isn't helping. The display is nice, the WebTop thing is great, good innovation, but overall this retarded HSUPA thing, Blur apps infecting ADW, and the bootloader thing just makes me sigh. Just glad I didn't pay for it.
[Atrix 4G General] raybond25:
a lot of devices are kinda like this in the beginning, things are starting to roll a little faster now - a little patience will go a very long way once the big strides start to happen with this phone.

also - my download is at 6400 most of the time, but the upload is capped at a little over 400, so that's always there for me
[Atrix 4G General] GlitchZero:
No, I know. But the fact that I have 3 phones sitting right next to what could be an amazing device outstripping it in both download and upload really bugs me.

I want to like it, I do, but for me it was just another disappointment, much like WP7 or Michael Bay.

Oh well. It's still fun to play PSX games on, and it looks pretty. :)

Oh, and the camera is pretty good too, haha. I'm not getting rid of it, I hope that things get going for it soon, I just don't know. It was like a big party that one person showed up to, I guess. I was expecting to be more blown away by it, it was really hard to be excited at launch about it. :p
[Atrix 4G General] maledyris:
Hmm, is it just that you have bad Bell reception in your area? I'm in the Greater Vancouver Area (Burnaby). I've only done 2 tests, but they've both been pretty much what I expected based on what I read from other people:

U / D:

03/27/11, 2:27pm - 4503/428

03/26/11, 1:12am - 4698/420

From what I understand, the disabled HSUPA is what limits our upload speed to about 400 or so, but download speeds aren't really affected... Right?
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
Hey guys,

Was anybody here able to smoothly play his/her 720p *.mkv files on the Atrix, or did you have to convert them into something playable by the Atrix?
[Atrix 4G General] GlitchZero:
No, I'm in the GTA (Hamilton), and I did that in a place where I had strong signal, it was just abnormally low speeds. The two tests around that one were done immediately before / after, so it was just an odd dip, it just blew my mind to see numbers that low.

But you're right about the HSUPA thing, it's just upload that's affected.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
Hey guys.... quick question.

If I plan to have this phone unlocked (cellunlock.com) and use it on Rogers, will I need to have it "activated" first?

Bell wants to charge me $30 for "Activation fees". Do I need to have it "activated"?
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
Activation fee is for the Bell network for a new customer. It has nothing to do with the phone physically itself, only being able to use your new phone number (again, not the phone) on Bell's network. If you intend to take it to rogers, why don't you just sign up for a new 3 year contract with a new phone number to get the activation fee waived, and then break the contract for an early termination fee of $400.00? That works out to be 70+tax for the phone then $400 ETF and perhaps a month of service (choose the cheapest one for like 30 bucks). Cheaper than the $599 bell is asking for outright...
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
I asked them to calculate it if I'll break the contract, and it turns out it would cost $800 if I broke the contract... I don't remember how they calculated it though...

EDIT: You need to add the $200 data fees they'll revoke from you when you cancel.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
All Bell, Wireless Wave, The Source stores in Halifax won't sell it without a Bell number. If you want it outright, you need to pay for 1 month + an activation fee ($35).

What an effing rip off.
[Atrix 4G General] Angelmsx:
just picked up bell atrix yesterday from Tbooth. I first went to wireless wave in the same mall but they didnt have it in stock. Tbooth offered the phone outright but only with pay-as-you-go, although the activation fee was waived, free sim, no additional charges on my part. All I paid for was the phone @ 599 + gst (alberta) so technically it was purchased off contract. the sim i got had its own bell number + $15 credit.

Unlocked via mobileincanada, code came in within an 1h - 1.5h. had to input rogers apn and tested working. very happy with the phone.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
How much did that cost you? I heard cellunlock will do it for $10, but it sometimes takes 1-2 days...
[Atrix 4G General] Angelmsx:
$20 from mobileincanada. They were advertising the phone would get unlocked in "minutes" but mine took longer but I don't really mind. It was my first time trying out mobileincanada as well so im unaware what the average time is between the 2 unlocking services
[Atrix 4G General] :
Does your wifi work properly. A lot of people can't connect to wifi after they unlock there phone.
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
No probs with wifi after unlock here :D
[Atrix 4G General] nitewalker033:
I also have no problems with wifi after unlocking and moving from the US to Germany
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
At home wifi bell network I get 2500 d/l consistently, Bell caps and throttles.

Upload was around a 1000.

Downloading thru H+ is all over the map, 2500 at home again, 6000 + at my aunts which is across the street then the next day its 1000.

Got 9000 + in the car today sitting at a light. :eek:

upload capped everywhere obviously except wifi.
[Atrix 4G General] thegregulator:
Download speed at home = 2664

Upload speed at home = 425

... lammmmmmmeee
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Really? :confused:

What's with the WIFI?

Also is this a Bell thing or both a Bell and AT&T thing?...
[Atrix 4G General] :
It is a Bell and AT&T thing here have a look.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1010942

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=980047&page=13
[Atrix 4G General] :
Can someone give me a list of all the preloaded apps on the Bell Atrix.

Thank you.
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
Man o man... when it the update coming????
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
I have the system apps dump I took from Titanium backup. Would this do?
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
I just received my Atrix. It said "make sure I'm fully charged before starting me up", so I plugged it in.

It brought up the red "Motorola Dual core" welcome screen, and my first reaction was "Why can I see the pixels so clearly?"

Then it brought up the green battery sign in the middle of the screen while charging, and my reaction was "Why the hell can I see the pixels so clearly?"

I hope this becomes better over time, but my first impression of the PenTile screen is not so good. I find solace in the fact my other option was the Nexus S, which has a lower-res PenTile screen.

Can't wait for the Nexus 3 (3D?)