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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wallsg:
Yeah. Just like they "know" that I'm tethering when I don't. And I'm NOT lying. What's my "simple fix"?

"Do not try to trick us. We can tell."

Since the email, two text message, and the official letter that I responded to about a month ago I haven't heard anything else but I'm not a heavy data user. In the past year I've used:

2010

OCT....1.2 GB

NOV....3.5 GB

DEC....3.0 GB

2011

JAN....1.3 GB

FEB....3.2 GB

MAR....3.2 GB

APR....2.5 GB

MAY....0.9 GB

JUN....1.5 GB

JUL....1.9 GB

AUG....0.8 GB

SEP....3.0 GB

OCT....1.3 GB (Partial)

Does that really look like someone tethering?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChumleyEX:
Why can't we blame the at&t person that signed the deal with him or the other people that abuse their data? Cause really they are all to blame too and calling out the dead guy is kind of lame.

not an apple fan boy
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] twayneo:
First off if you knew anything about customer service reps they last 4 months tops im well over a year and im in the smartphone queue i only deal with smartphones and i deal with all the east coast AND I ONLY SEE IPHONES FLAGGED WITH OFF NETWORK IVE NEVER SEEN IT FOR ANY ACCOUNT WITH AN ANDROID UNLESS ALL A SUDDON EOFFN IS WAVING THERE MAJIC WAND AND FLAGGING ACCOUNTS, BUT YOUR NOT GOING TO GET YOUR UNLIMITED DATA TAKEN AWAY> AND IF YOUR GETTING THE "REPEATED" CALLS THEN YOUR ONE OF THE FEW THAT IS USING WAY TO MUCH FOR THEM TO EVEN CARE BUT IM TELLING ITS ALL SCARE TACTICS IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME THEN STOP USING TETHERING CUZ YOU DONT HAVE THE RIGHT PLAN IF YOU DO BELIEVE ME, THEN TRY ME, I DARE YOU. I KNOW MORE ABOUT POLICY AND HOW AT&T INTERNALLY OPERATES THEN YOU SO CALL IT BS, BUT I AM RIGHT, SO HAPPY MODDING
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nosit1:
I got served about a month ago. Called ATT 6 months into my contract. Got my ETF waived, moved to Verizon with unlimited data. LTE, yes please. No tethering for me, but I'llkeep my unlimited data. 9GB a week so far. I was sick of AT&T giving me a run around being a 13 year veteran. Drop shipped on my line and told them they can keep the rest.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simba501:
Winning

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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nacixem:
I ain't gonna deny the tether cause I do...im pissed cause I was told erp don't get flagged and I did ... so now im the proud so to be user of AT&T UVERSE Haha. I need my UNL still for netflix so ill slow it down now back and forth till I get info needed in this bs.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tluke:
I use Wifi tether and i only use 3-4gb per month. I WAS SEVERED!!!! i have not been through the entire thread, but they say that they will change you're plan for you if you continue to tether with out a plan!!! so they must be able to tell if you are tethering.:mad:

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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shadowscreation:
I got served somehow on day 1 of my billing cycle I went threw 7 gigs of data in one day no idea how it happened lol HELLO VERIZON(if they take away my unlimited that is only reason. Im still with att)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schoralous:
I still think you are full of kaka but ok, prove it.

Give me a contact number/email for you, we will setup a contract between us that if you are wrong, you will pay whatever is required by AT&T for me to have tethering and unlimited data. You can then put the funds in escrow so they are safe.

If you are right and so damn sure of it, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by proving it. Put your money where your mouth is as they say.

Otherwise I am not risking a massive bill or changes to my account soley on your say, especially by someone who has the typing/spelling/grammar of a 2 year old - makes me wonder wonder if you are even old enough to be working
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheetablaze:
I think if you do not go overboard and rack up gigs of data you will be fine. I used it pretty hard on my captivate and I never had any backlash with mobile ap.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
If u have yet to get a notice it is just a matter of time. Believe it.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Scoop3:
What's in it for him?.. sounds like a lot of time invested for nothing in return lol
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schoralous:
And what is in it for me to do what he says???

I'm the one risking my account and massive overage charges if he is wrong. He is risking nothing since if he is right the money he puts in escrow would be returned to him in full.

If he is so sure he is right, he is taking no risk at all. As to the time invested, he gets to prove he was right all along.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Scoop3:
YOU get the joy of using tethering without signing up for a tethering plan...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schoralous:
and HE gets the joy of being proven right as well as the admiration of all the people who want to be able to tether, IF he is correct.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simba501:
+1, I've been following along and I don't recall anyone actually having their plan changed. Hopefully that continues. We'll see.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schoralous:
The only problem is I don't know anyone who is still tethering after they get the message from AT&T - no one, myself included can afford to risk it IF they do as they say they will.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simba501:
My GF still is and so far, everything is fine.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phro321:
Lol. tell ATT to sick my duck!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shriva:
I got served the tether letter awhile back.. called and told them I wasn't.. got the we don't believe you speech...

Now I got this a couple days ago...

Looks like the are going the throttle route instead of the changing your plan route? Anyone else get this?

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Like other wireless companies, AT&T is taking steps to manage exploding demand for mobile data. We're responding on many levels, including investing billions in our wireless network this year and working to acquire more network capacity.

As mentioned on a previous bill, we're also taking additional, more immediate steps to help address network congestion and improve reliability. One of these steps involves a change for some customers who use extraordinarily large amounts of data in a single billing period - about 12 times more data than the average smartphone user.

For the current billing cycle, your data usage indicates you could be affected by this change. Here's how it works:

Smartphone customers with unlimited data plans may experience reduced speeds once their usage in a billing cycle reaches the level that puts them among the top 5 percent of heaviest data users. These customers can still use unlimited data and their speeds will be restored with the start of the next billing cycle.

We're writing because you are in the top 5 percent of heaviest data users for this billing cycle. Because we recognize that data usage can change from month to month, you will not see reduced speeds this billing cycle.

Beginning with your next billing cycle, we'll send you a text message if you are approaching the top 5 percent of heaviest data users. We'll also send you a second text message if you cross into the top 5 percent of heaviest users, at which point you may see reduced speeds for the rest of the month.

Customers have several ways to manage extremely high data usage.

Wi-Fi offers great speeds and doesn't add to your wireless data usage. Consider using Wi-Fi when possible for applications that use the highest amounts of data, such as streaming video apps, remote web camera apps, large data-file transfers (like video) and some online gaming.

You may also consider switching to a tiered data plan if speed is more important to you than having an unlimited data plan. Customers on tiered plans can pay for more data if they need it, and will not see reduced speeds.

To estimate how much data different activities use, and find out more about Wi-Fi or tiered data plans, visit https://www.att.com/dataplans or call Customer Care at 866-344-7584.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
did she get a notice. and if so how long ago did she get it?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simba501:
Nearing a month ago.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gammite:
interesting. i wonder if it takes a billing cycle for them to change it.

i was told that as long as i didn't tether past the end of the month that i was notified that i would not be changed. i wonder if that is the time period she is falling into.

it will be interesting to see what happens to a number of us come november.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schoralous:
Very interesting, I will look forward to seeing/hearing what happens in November for those still tethering.

I suspected for a long time the changing of accounts to auto-add tethering was a bluff on AT&T's part but can't risk testing it on my account, although here shortly that will not matter, so I may try it again just to see if they actually do auto-switch me.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simba501:
Indeed it is interesting. I wasn't willing to test it either. We'll see what happens.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GoodFoot:
I don't see anything in that letter indicating it is related to tethering. It appears just to be the result of data usage volume. How much data are you using a month?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shriva:
True, I got the tether notice about a month ago..

12 gig two months ago

Almost 20gig last month.

That's mainly uploading photos I take. I do ustream and watch hulu and youtube also though.

Im on the road most of the month with no access to wifi most of the time.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HWOW:
I wonder if anyone on here had their account changed by at&t since their notice...

I'd like to play netflix for a day straight and see what happens once I hit 2gbs+
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pak2009:
I got the tethering notice in september and quit tethering then toward the end of october I tethered with pdanet for about an hour in level 2 hide tether mode and still haven't gotten another notice but while browsing root explorer in data/system/ I noticed a file named throttle. I don't know if it was there before but everytime I delete it it comes back within a few minutes or after a reboot. I just checked speed test.net and it went from average of 5mbs download and 1mbs upload to .22mbs download and .4mbs upload. I don't know if its a network issue or if I'm being throttled without notice. I just started a new billing cycle on october 26 and my usage is 1.2gb since then.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brucewee:
I stopped tethering in mid September and I see the throttle folder too with 2 files in it. One named 2025221750 created today and theor named temp and created on October 27th.

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/12042-data-throttling-mod/
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marckusdavis:
I have tethered only twice for a couple of minutes (to test it). I have NEVER come close to using even 1GB of data. I am on the unlimited plan from my iPhone grandfathered to my Atrix 2. I too have the throttle folder and files. I only wish I'd have seen this thread before I had ever tethered, but considering that I have not even seen 1 full billing cycle yet on my new phone, I have a feeling that the throttle folder and files are either unrelated to throttling users, or are completely related, but everyone has them now. Is there anyone out there with usage similar to mine, and has never tethered, yet you too have the throttle directory and files?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Joe-Momma:
AT&T wishes they never offered UNLIMITED DATA PLANS!

Well I got the C&D order letter using BARNACLE of course I played dumb and called to retain my unlimited plan....

So I had to add tether on another phone my lady has which was not on unlimited.

Simple solution LOL when I have a large file I send the url to my Atrix with unlimited data plan then download that massive file on the unlimited plan phone.

Once done downloading I simply transfer the file as if it were USB attached storage or pull the SD etc.. but that is NOT TETHERING and I still get the files I wish...... GOTCHA AT&T!! Oh and of course since you NOW have rules about content downloaded I abide and only download what is permissible (ie. purchased music etc....) I hit 105GB this last cycle and plan on even more this month.

AT&T is a horrible company when it comes to ethics and morals..... they LIE alot!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simba501:
Stick it to the man! :D
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] erraz:
I'm taking one for the team.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mungulz:
All I can say is that you're selfish, 105GB in a month is blatant abuse of the 3G network, and you are part of the small 5% group that caused this rule to be introduced. While you "Stick it to the man" others are getting charged excess for tethering packs when they use >5gb a month.

Look at the bigger picture here, and no I do not have shares in AT&T. Also, not to be a conspiracy theorist or anything but I hope you don't torrent over 3G overnight with the phone next to your head on the bed/bedside table, I would not like 110GBs of radiation a month.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trogdan:
Well, presumably he and other 'top tier' data users are now being throttled http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/09/att-throttling-warnings/
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Joe-Momma:
So your one whom believes that unlimited does not mean UNLIMITED?

We have 4g here and if I am throttled between 2-5MB/s as that is what I get according to speedtest app the throttling is O.K. with me, I have the throttle folder so I assume I am being throttled and have been since July and still able to get 105GB I have no problem with that...

It may be due to my location and the lack of users on that tower that allows me to have speed with throttling as I have not tried in the city....

Either way I have had 2-5MB/s since June when I got this phone and have not seen any speed issues yet..
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HWOW:
105gbs? Is that even possible? Lol.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mungulz:
www.corp.att.com/aup/

Read the terms and conditions you agreed to when you signed the contract.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] robertlawson225:
well i got my letter and i hardly tether, if you can call it tethering. i use the tethering app just to establish a local network and ssh into my phone to file transfer and i only do that when i don't have a usb cable with me
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fincan:
You can use QuickSSHd for that. Search it in the market, it's free, and works great.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Joe-Momma:
I have read it and according to section 6.2 of my contract I am o.k. as long as the content meets their criteria. So of course I only download purchased music (ahem clears throat) in an compressed and encrypted format so good luck proving otherwise on my ahem "music content"

downloads...

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why yes it is possible LOL ;)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reelon:
lol, when I had an iphone 4 I used netflix alot and got to 25 gb in one month and got the text, had to call them and clarify, but 100+gb...that is a record!!! :D
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Twiddler:
Joe-Mamma, Thank you for raising the 5% into the stratosphere! LOL...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xfinrodx:
This is fantastic... but hopefully they don't just drop you. They can if they decide you're a liability. I sure hope you're not downloading illegal content (like non-purchased, encrypted music)- if you are not, I wish you good fortune in breaking 200gb!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bzmotoninja83:
Jeezus .... 105? I don't even do that in my house.... 2 ps3's, 2 pc's..... 2 phones on wifi.........
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 1timerlgk:
Received notice on 4 lines today. All Android devices. They were all 2-3GB in total individual usage. I have many other lines in the same exact usage range who do not tether and were not included in the letter. In fact 1 line has the damn plan and was included in the letter, wtf. DataPro Enterprise 4GB with Tethering for 4G Smartphones$60.00

Lines are noted with a TETHWARN1

This is a corporate account.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Simba501:
Lol wtf...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Joe-Momma:
Actually this is the only month that I hit a level over 15GB.

The month I got the letter about tethering I was at 5GB.

That pissed me off and I told them that I would see how much I could download next month since I was unlimited.

Just making a point that I used far less data on the last 6 months using tethering occasionally than I could in one month NOT tethering.

They started this crap with tethering C&D long before I did this so don't blame me! Besides I don't have time to do this and just did it to make a point.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhisey:
This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Have you even read your contract and definitions? Do you honestly think your entire contract says "unlimited data" with NO details surrounding it? Your unlimited data plan applies to a single device associated to your account. You can expand that by adding tethering or family extensions. What you WANT your contract to say is irrelevant.

Based on this logic, we should be able to but one software license and distribute it to everybody because I WANT my license to say that.

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They are ALL the same. I love how the grass is always greener on the other side. If you don't like it, get the hell out! For every person leaving one carrier, there's someone there leaving for the one you left. You're insignificant.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] robertlawson225:
I talked to AT&T today about my tethering letter and after telling me what all they consider tethering which is everything short of a blue tooth headset, she goes on to tell me I'm in the top 5% of data users and tried to sell me a 4GB tethering plan so I will not receive any reduced data speeds. LOL

So after laughing at that proposal, I ask her how the throttling works.

To sum it up the top 5% is quite literal and is per month and by area.

So I was at 10GB in one month (usually no more than 5GB tops) but data usage was low that month in my area. She also said the opposite is true data usage is high in a month say 100GB for the top 5% then your data speeds would not be affected all the way up to the 100GB mark! wtf

It is my opinion that AT&T is trying to get all unlimited data users down to the 2GB mark at any cost. Because if they slow down all their top 5% in a month the first person they slow down will not receive the speed back until the billing cycle is up even if the top 5% surpasses them which would give a whole new set of top 5% users. This would mean that more than 5% of AT&Ts customers could be throttled at one time thus driving down that top 5% more and more.

This is the way I understood it from an AT&T rep. if I had interpreted anything wrong please correct me
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the_nite_owl:
Are they targeting everyone who tethers even with low data usage?

When I go on trips I like to tether to answer email on the laptop rather than by phone or use the iPad tethered when I do not have wifi available.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fincan:
It seems like they are targeting everyone with higher data usage than average, not necessarily tethering. Essentially they are on a fishing expedition of sorts.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jug6ernaut:
Not true. I never go over 4GB and have received the warning...

Edit: also I highly doubt its "fishing" if u tether ur in trouble. If not your probably ok.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] benrees21:
Sorry to butt in but am I reading right? In America, Unlimited data actually means Unlimited? Here in the UK they call it unlimited but down in the small print it say's limited to the fair usage policy of 512MB lol. I suppose this is the UK and we are so used to being ripped off.

Sent from my Nexus S on Morfic's TEUV Kernel and some help from Tapatalk!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GoodFoot:
What method do you use for tethering that AT&T was able to discover it even though your data usage was not excessive?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Joe-Momma:
At low data usage 3-7GB they caught me using Barnacle, and NOW that I don't tether they are seeing over 100GB of monthly data use form just to make a point.

Their throttling is area specific as I am in the middle of nowhere and still get 1-5MB/s usually averaging 2.5MB/s and even 105GB last month I did not notice any throttling.

It seems they can detect most any method of tethering!:mad:
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jug6ernaut:
Afaik the method of renewing no longer makes any difference.

To person above...104GB? Really? No wonder att its pissed off.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Joe-Momma:
what are you trying to say?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] G-Man.:
How can you seriously be pissed off that you got served for tethering "illegally" according to their contracts/plans - which are black and white, plain as day..... its rather quite simple - if you want to tether, PAY for the damn tethering plan... otherwise STFU!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GoodFoot:
I understand that AT&T can apparently detect several different methods of tethering. I was asking which specific one you were using that actually got detected, because I'm trying to figure out if there's one or more methods that have never been detected.