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[Atrix 4G General] sid0101:
Bell Atrix on ATT network

Hello Bell Atrix users,

I was wondering whether anyone of you, or any brave ATT users, bought a Bell Atrix and have tried unlocking it and using it on ATT.

I want to eventually get the ATRIX, but not the ATT branded version bc I want to use my old MediaNET plan on the ATRIX, for cost saving purposes.

Anyone have any input on this? On how it might work or might not?
[Atrix 4G General] Ciloteille:
It will work just as good/fine/same as any other phone doing the same thing. All phones are mainly recognized through their IMEI Number. When I took a tmobile blackberry to att, they said it was unknown. Same thing with rogers HTC dream. All the same thing, IMEI number is like your SSN, carriers dont trade these IMEI numbers, so your safe.

This being said, if bell and ATT users switched phones, we all could get the cheapest dumbphone internet. On att (my 10$ media net plan is 100% unlimited, and again, 10$/unlimited and not 25$/2gb cap)

Not sure for bell/rogers plans though. ;p

(Understand I am fail at typing, this posted from an atrix, i got really used to my htc dream, and its keyboard. So enter the run-on sentences!)
[Atrix 4G General] bondjames_12:
My Speed Tests

Using the speedtest.net App and website.

I did some speed tests on my new Atrix today.

Location: NW Calgary

Time: About 2AM

Results are in this google doc: hxxps://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Atfkqopa9tdWdENYMHBaY1FHWDZqWG0wczgzVkNlNGc&hl=en

Test 3 devices for a good comparison:

1. Novatel U998 HSPA+ USB Modem - Used Laptop+website speedtest.net

2. Nexus One

3. Motorola Atrix

All tests were done using the same SIM card with only 1 device turned on at a time.

Wifi/LAN were off on the devices when I did the tests.

I forgot to test the edmonton server with the Novatel Modem. If your wondering why its missing. Also I entered the results for my USB modem laptop tests by hand so thats why the rows are not complete.

I'll summarize:

This Atrix's upload is capped around 420kbps, (probably 0.5Mbps to be more exact). As a result of my tests you can see my Nexus One maxs out its dataspeed at 1800kbps (2 Mbps) which is the limit for a HSUPA Cat 4 device. Uploads using my Novatel modem are even faster since its a HSUPA Cat 6 device. Its not the network, its the phone. VERY DISAPPOINTED
[Atrix 4G General] nerdtalker:
What's weird here is that were HSUPA disabled, and instead UMTS was being used, you'd see upload throughput hit a hard ceiling at 384 kilobits per second, not rates of over 400.

Very curious.
[Atrix 4G General] sonofabit:
I can confirm that the Bell phone is rootable. I did that within about 10 minutes of bringing it home. Very nice phone. Love it.
[Atrix 4G General] lsxrx7:
did u use super one click or aRoot ?
[Atrix 4G General] jackdonogy:
Hey guys,

I got the Bell Atrix yesterday (full price of 600+ tax). Was able to unlock it within 2 hrs and got both 3g + cellular working on my corporate Fido plan.

However, my Wifi doesnt seem to be working! It keeps scanning and when i put in the wifi pass, it just wont connect! Anyone have the issue / knows how to resolve it?

Any help would be appreciated. I dont wanna move too forward in terms of customizing the phone without getting the wifi working -- tbh i dont care much for wifi (my corporate plan has 1gb data on it and i almost never go over it on my iPhone 3gs but im sure ill be using it like crazy on the Atrix)
[Atrix 4G General] Ririal:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=980047
[Atrix 4G General] neotekz:
I sorta had the same problem. it would see the network but can't connect. I had to change the security type my network was using. I think I went from wap2 only to wap and wap2. haven't had a problem with it again.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
How did you do that? The fastest (and cheapest) service I heard costs $21 and takes two business days...
[Atrix 4G General] jackdonogy:
i emailed this guy --swiftunlocks@gmail.com-- and he will ask you all the details and u can ship him $20USD on paypal.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
Oh, so the same guy I know... I believe I posted him email on XDA yesterday :)

Hope u get ur WiFi fixed, though...
[Atrix 4G General] jackdonogy:
Im at work now, ill go home n change the security and test it. Will report back. Thanks!
[Atrix 4G General] Rickroller:
Dumb question..but what will upload speeds really affect? Only video's i ever really upload would be personal ones to family on Whatsapp. Would upload speeds affect video chat and stuff?

Also..has anyone unlocked this and used on Telus yet?
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Upload affects all data transfer because when you want to view something online for example, your phone has to send "requests" for the data to be downloaded so the upload speed pretty much has a direct impact on the download speed.
[Atrix 4G General] s0dhi:
Upload would also affect video conferencing over cellular, right?
[Atrix 4G General] jackdonogy:
Good news! It connected to my work network -- so its the issue of me changing the security type on my home network. Ill test it at home tonight and post again. For now, all seems to be working well! On to rooting + gingerblur. Anyone give gingerblur a shot?
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
WAIT! Which Atrix are you using? Bell? AT&T? Beware because I think there is an issue with GingerBlur with Bell's Atrix. Also, read the warnings about rooting too (if you have a sim unlocked device) as it is causing issues with wifi.
[Atrix 4G General] jkrohn:
I am all for getting HSUPA enabled, but this is not true for the current level of upload capable on the phone. More than sufficient upstream bandwidth is available. This is why people are going from something like a Nexus one, which had HSUPA and seeing *zero decrease* in their download speeds.

Want some proof?

On my PC, over a large download I averaged 22 Mbps. It used exactly 344Kbps of upstream to sustain that download.

Ok, so packet loss over cellular is a bigger issue, and surely there are TCP window size differences, so I ran some test on my phone too. Over a 15MB download I averaged about 3Mbps down. That download used a whopping 40 Kbps upstream.

The current upstream bandwidth is more than sufficient to support current and most future network speeds as far as downstream is concerned.

HSUPA is really only important to people trying to upload files or content or doing things like cellular video calling.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Oh, thanks for clarifying. Learn something new everyday
[Atrix 4G General] mahgiaz47:
AHAH That's what I was wondering too!
[Atrix 4G General] Scott ISH:
For me, it's more about the principle. AT&T's network supports it, as evidenced by the iPhone 4, Nexus One, unlocked Dell Streak. It's wrong to disable the functionality when it's in the hardware on other devices, and it's just made more bizarre when you're marketing devices like the Atrix and Inspire as "4G" devices.
[Atrix 4G General] jackdonogy:
Im using the Bell Atrix. I havnt rooted or flashed gingerblur yet. I hear its a no go interms of Gingerblur! so i might just stay with this stock motoblur! :mad:
[Atrix 4G General] kennethpenn:
Bell users:

GingerBlur will be made available for Bell Atrix users with an uninstall process just in case, because there's no working SBF. I need someone to:

adb pull /system

adb pull /data

and send me the folders. Dropbox them or multiupload or hotfile. Then PM me.
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
I PM him/her and s/he lives in Vancouver :(

On the second part of my post asking if anyone got their phone @ Pacific Mall. I've tried calling all of the phones/electronics stores there and other than some unanswered calls, the ones that did said they don't carry the Atrix :(

Seems like wireless wave may be my only solution...
[Atrix 4G General] sid0101:
Awesome, so I guess the next logical question is whether there are any outlets out there that ATT customers/ US customers can get the Bell Atrix at. I know Bestbuy.ca doesn't deliver or sell the Atrix online. I also checked out ebay.ca, but no luck.

Any Bell Atrix users out there know of a place that is selling the Bell Atrix, without a contract and probably would deliver to the US?
[Atrix 4G General] Scott ISH:
But why? It also has HSUPA disabled.
[Atrix 4G General] sid0101:
Because I have mediaNET plan, and no longer under contract....shhhh!
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
I have read that there are a couple successful roots for the Bell Atrix. Check the aRoot thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=981866
[Atrix 4G General] Scott ISH:
Why not just buy an AT&T Atrix off-contract?
[Atrix 4G General] sid0101:
Buying an AT&T Atrix Off-contract won't solve anything. Since its AT&T's Atrix, they have the IMEI number, so when I start using MediaNET on the ATRIX, they are going be like...:

"wait, wtf are you doing customer, we are only allowed to screw you! So, because we know you are using our ATRIX, we are putting you on a 'real' smartphone data plan, which is btw unlimited and costs more for no good reason..."

Buying the Bell ATRIX will allow me to bypass that since AT&T won't have its IMEI number and I can safely access 3g, with unlimited speeds at Medianet prices.
[Atrix 4G General] mahgiaz47:
Ahah thankss. They'll probably start arriving there next week. But I just want this phone right now!
[Atrix 4G General] jackdonogy:
kennethpenn---im gonna be speaking to Da_G when i get home today from work. Ill get these and send them over to ya.

What is the ETA for gingerblur once i get these over to you?
[Atrix 4G General] scorneil:
like to hear this
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
I would gladly do this for you but do I need to root the phone first? Also should I factory reset it first as well?
[Atrix 4G General] Da_G:
Regarding these commands,

This will result in an incomplete snapshot of the system. There are 2 methods that would be preferred:

adb shell
su
cd /sdcard
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p12 of=/sdcard/mmcblk0p12.bin
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p16 of=/sdcard/mmcblk0p16.bin
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p13 of=/sdcard/mmcblk0p13.bin
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p17 of=/sdcard/mmcblk0p17.bin

This will give us a complete image of /system (p12) /data (p16) /osh (p13) and /preinstall (p17) which can then be mounted on a linux machine via mount -o loop and a proper dump made.

Alternatively:

adb shell
su
cd /sdcard
tar zcvphf ./system.tar.gz /system
tar zcvphf ./preinstall.tar.gz /preinstall
tar zcvphf ./data.tar.gz /data
tar zcvphf ./osh.tar.gz /osh

After you've done this simply mount the internal storage to usb and copy the files off for uploading somewhere. (Make sure to compress them if you use the .bins)

Ideally you would not have rooted or done anything to the /system partition prior to doing this, manually root using psneuter and do the dumps before writing anything to /system. Otherwise the hash values in the /system signature will not match up (not the hugest deal, but it means we couldn't directly flash that through RSD lite, if it's pristine we can)

Also note that /data will contain some private info if you have set up any account info on device. /preinstall may be sufficient as this is used to populate /data at hard-reset time.
[Atrix 4G General] lsxrx7:
they will dig that IMEI number up and they will still screw u over

cheapest bell atrix = $600, vs $200 from ATT = $400 diff

unlimited data = $30 vs medianet $15

it takes you 27 months to make up that $400, which is more than the 2 yr contract

not worth it
[Atrix 4G General] garyg2k:
It would be if he uses more than 2GB of data per month, at that point it would be $45 for the current 4GB smartphone plan. That's a $30 difference, which is 13 months to break even. Plus there's the flexibility of selling it later and upgrading (on or off contract) to whatever the HOT phone is this time next year.

I'm in a similar situation because I don't want to lose my MediaMax 1500 plan.
[Atrix 4G General] scorneil:
I have an untouched Atrix still in box so I can try and do this tonight (unless someone can get it done quicker).
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
Oh...so I read a comment on CNET on the capped HSUPA on the Bell's Atrix article.

I find this to be VERY interesting. I didn't know that the AT&T Captivate is capped.
[Atrix 4G General] NFHimself:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/ca2c7a8/n/system.tgz (200MB)

File above doesn't include /preinstall. Not sure how that affects hash checks.

Very large files..
[Atrix 4G General] pookeyster:
if this were feasible..the $10/month family data unlimited medianet package would make the savings even greater
[Atrix 4G General] scorneil:
Is this from a totally clean device? If so I won't bother doing mine.
[Atrix 4G General] kevyh:
Day 1 with my Bell Atrix

Picked up two of these last night in Montreal. As a previous Bell customer I was able to "qualify" for a reduced price; however, I had to speak to a "loyalty" representative as I did not officially qualify for the $169 price. Yes, I went with the 3yr $55 contract - for my uses, Bell has the best coverage. I was also able to get caller ID and "large" voicemail included on both phones for the 3yr term.

Anyhow, my previous device was an HTC Touch running WM6.1 with SPB Mobile Shell. The Atrix is my first Android device and I think I will like it. I realize the bootloader "problem" will crimp my ability to fully customize it but there seems to be lots of stuff to do so far. Once I read more about the Bell unit rooting and deodexing etc I will dive in.

I ran speedtest.net from my main floor room, with the wifi OFF and the unit running on straight battery power. According to speedtest the server closest to me was approx 10 miles away. Here are my results run approx. 1 minute apart:

8543 / 436

7724 / 427

7529 / 435

8335 / 435

8786 / 429 (this one was about 30 minutes later)

Just for fun, here it is with wifi ON ("b" router):

14769 / 1650

I have other comments etc about the phone, but will save that for other threads, but generally very happy so far.
[Atrix 4G General] sileralias:
I rooted my Bell Atrix perfectly fine using superoneclick. Its been rooted since yesterday at 10am Pacific, so far no issues:cool:
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Right, SuperOneClick works but it also reinstalls busybox which might end up causing problems in the future. But don't take my word for it, just a heads up.
[Atrix 4G General] Sugarkryptonite:
Hey guys

My upgrade date is on Monday and thinking of picking up the Atrix (considering it's Bell's only good phone right now other than the Torch which you guys probably think sucks).

Just a question for ALL of you bell customers: What size data plan do you have? I'm thinking about getting the 500Mb plan but something tells me it's not going to be enough. Bell wants $65 for a 1Gb data plan and I just find that to be ridiculous.

As for my net usage: not like surfing the web all day (most of it would be WiFi anyway like at school), but all the social feeds getting updated and surfing the web does use quite a bit of data, doesn't it?

Thanks,

Elliott
[Atrix 4G General] mahgiaz47:
I totally agree with you, it is totally RIDICULOUS, compared to our neighbours under us...or I mean the South of us.

Anyway, I have the upgrade due too. I'm probably just going to go with the 50$ plan. But please keep updated when you get it. I really wanna know what the costs are. I dont really even need an data plan, since WiFi is pretty much everywhere I am including school. And I can also use the iPhone 4 for a mobile hotspot if I really need it. Thanks
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Of course it costs more up there, don't you all still do everything by doglsed??:D
[Atrix 4G General] cla2000:
So is there anything different in the radio settings between the 2 networks? It seems that bell users get much better speeds than att. I live in detroit area and best speeds I get are dl: 3518 and up: 232. I would love to get bell speeds on att.
[Atrix 4G General] kampfer:
Did anyone with Bell Atrix tried the HDMI mod by Fenny? Does it work and what steps you took?

Thanks

J
[Atrix 4G General] bfksc:
Don't be so nieve...

We use SkiDoos now!

:D
[Atrix 4G General] plemen:
I picked up the Atrix and renewed my contract for 3 years - I added 6gb data (with tethering) for $30. If you are already a Bell customer call retentions and ask for it... it may only work if you have a corporate plan but those aren't that hard to get if you go to a non-corporate Bell store.

Surfing large on my dogsled :D and loving it!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] esk02k:
Hi everyone. Basically im trying to enable the standard android zoom/slide etc.

window animations. Not the fancy fly/bounce etc. custom window animations.

I know it must just be a simple swapping of a file or two to enable it.

Or maybe a simple code tweak.

Im only asking this again because I have had and seen with my own eyes,

these animations working when I flashed a framework a long time ago and

I cant remember what I changed to make it work, ive swapped over my

anim folder with the anim folder from gingerbread but I still have no animations.

If anyone has any info I would be very grateful because then i can create

my own window animations.

Thanks for reading.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] th3:
If I understand you correctly, you don't want these animations but the stock Android one. I've attached a zip with the stock Android animation files. You just replace the anim folder in framework-res.apk with this one as explained in the link. In the anim folder are the XMLs that need editing if you want to change something :)
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darks1der:
Hi all,

I have had my htc desire z for about two weeks now, But since i have had my phone i've been having a few problems.

I had rooted my phone using visionary +. And all was going well untill i was trying to install setcpu to overclock my cpu. After installation my phone rebooted and now every thing that i need root access for is showing up as not accessable.

Busybox installer error message:

Your phone is roote

Busybox not found

The application failed, either because your device is not nand unlocked or we were unable to remount.

Rom manager error message:

An error occured while attempting to run priviledged commands!

Is it possible(if yes, how) to unroot and flash my desire back to stock settings including the permissions back to stock.

If not how can i root my phone so i can use all of the fuctions

Regarding the phone info the spaces are actually . but the system will not allow me to enter these as of yet

Thanks in advance

All the best

Gaz
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darks1der:
I forgot to mension in the last post that i have expiriance with mobile phone's and flashing so i'm not affraid to tackle big complicated ways of undoing the process.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
It sounds like maybe you only had temp root.

Did you also do gfree? I did Visionary and gfree, and perm rooted just fine.

However, many on here believe the rage + gfree method is safer, as Visionary has been known to create some semi-bricks. I don't THINK there is any harm in doing rage + gfree at this point, but others on here can probably enlighten.

http://xdaforums.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_Vision_.28G2.2FDZ.29_and_DHD
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darks1der:
I tried using root checker to find the issue. It came back with an error message telling me the SU binary was not found in the correct path. I used terminal emulator to try to locate the file but with no success. Any ideas on how to find and move the binary su???
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HLeenders:
What's displayed on your screen after reboot in recovery?

As in; remove battery, insert battery, hold volume down and power button.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darks1der:
It will not reboot in to root. It runs Visionary and nothing happens.

And when i try to open an app that need root access it fails because it cannot gain permission from superuser. At this point i have tried to unistall all apps that had anything to do with rooting my phone but still no succes. I need to find the stock SU Binary
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
So HTC seems to have run completely out of new and innovative ideas and when they do now it's just depressing. Their recent devices are just re-releases of the same device over and over except with a bigger processor and perhaps a better camera. They barely bother to change the chassis anymore. The last decent innovation I saw HTC come up with was the G1 Z sliding mechanism and how did they follow that up? G2 Z-hinge? Yeah, how's it hanging? After this they went on to release the HTC surround? Is dropping acid mandatory to be a hardware designer at HTC these days because those guys had to be on something to think that was a remotely decent device. I mean all in all aside from processors HTC's hardware is third rate. Their outdated screens are just depressing and their build-quality leaves something to be desired. What happened to the days when HTC seemed like the future of phones? Did their time already come and pass?
[Off-topic] SKyLiNe1980:
Huuhahah. nice word play. It leaves something to be "desired" :P

On a more serious note. i agree. no innovative designs from the guys @HTC.

Also specs wise i really have the feeling the competition is starting to get ahead. More 1080p dual core shiney stuff htc!. get with the program.
[Off-topic] Dirk:
HTC chassis design is the best so you could say there is no point trying to re-invent the wheel. Without making drastic, and therefore unpopular changes to their designs there are only so many things they can do!

I do think their quality control could be better though and i'm still fuming that they did diddly squat to rectify the hardware issues with the Nexus One. Rather than flooding the market with derivitive products perhaps they should focus on making fewer but better handsets.
[Off-topic] souljaboy:
your still a fool if you buy somthing over the hd2 and your a htc fan (and your not a millionaire)

karma shall reward the ones who are patient
[Off-topic] jaszek:
HTC got into the popularity game now, when before they were in the quality game. Carriers WANT HTC to make phones for them, and since carriers like to release a new phone every two months, there is no way HTC can be innovative. HTC is in it for the money, which is what most companies do. And you tell me, if you had a skill, made decent money on it, then a few people wanted you to use your skill towards their business, and all will pay you a ****load, you would do it.
[Off-topic] Dirk:
After reading a Thunderbolt review another glaring HTC oversight was apparent. The micro usb charging port is on the side of the device, which is bad enough, but it's on the side that will be down when using the kickstand in Landscape, so you can't watch a movie and charge simultaneously :rolleyes:

How are they making such fundamental errors?
[Off-topic] orb3000:
On my experience is nothing related only to HTC, every brand is going slow as they want us to buy mobiles every year, if they launch (and sure they can) a super ultra nice device a lot of us would go for it and probably won´t upgrade as fast as they want.

So they want our money and that´s because they won´t go as fast as you want...

Just my opinion...
[Off-topic] domineus:
now hang on let's not be super drastic about htc and trust me, I've been extremely critical of htc

see

http://wmpoweruser.com/editorial-me-to-nokia-thank-you/

and while I have been critical, I am intrigued with their new button layout and design. It does look a bit more modern, but does that mean we users will get a better experience vs. the famed tp2 keyboard?

Now otherwise I do agree with one thing - HTC is in an era of non innovation. I would love to have a vertical slider from htc to compete with the dell venue pro; I'd also like to have some more odds and ends from htc. Why consumers aren't getting them is beyond me. Perhaps it legality, which would make sense. But overall, their chassis designs need a major change...