yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G General] felacio:
Except its missing HDMI and 4G. Soo... its not really as polished. And saying you don't care about those features answers your own question as to why people like sense UI... doesn't it?

Personal preference? I like my 4G and HDMI... so obviously, I'm going to stick with something that have them..

In 1943 I killed a hobo.
[EVO 4G General] HipKat:
Maybe people just like crappy battery life???
[EVO 4G General] felacio:
My battery lasts a full day with Myn 2.2 and the #15 Kernel. 19hrs overall time without a charge, 8hrs of Awake Time. Stock battery. Do I need it to last any longer? No. I unplugged it at 11am and it's now 6am. I'm about to go to bed..so I can plug it in until tomorrow.

I don't consider that.bad battery life, and 4G or wifi has been on all day. Actually. Every AOSP Tom I've flashed has been about the same. (Factoring in the lack of 4G.) *shrug*
[EVO 4G General] HipKat:
You're one of the lucky ones, because I tried so many Sense ROMS/Kernel combos, and my battery was terrible.
[EVO 4G General] OneStepAhead:
for me facebook contact sync never works correctly on asop, it always imports all my contacts even if it's set to just merge with exsisting contacts. also, the asop cameras i've used didn't have touch to focus, and I could never make youtube video sharing work from the gallery. for me, asop battery life has sucked compared to sense.
[EVO 4G General] abanh:
Battery life is about the same between sense and aosp roms if battery stats are properly calibrated when switching between the two. I rarely had to watch for wake lock issues on a sense rom though.
[EVO 4G General] alaman68:
I like sense for a stable option with a lot of nice bells and whistles. Works reliable and does what I need with out much alteration or thought. However, I also have a backup with ADW EX with Calk's remove sense, which is also great because it does keep quite a bit of the sense options like the camera and a bunch of the HTC apps. Then, I use CM7 for fun and playing around, but i do miss the stability, ease and reliability of sense after a day or two, and flash back. I have my ADW EX backup looking exactly like CM7 minus the screen off animation so it feels similar.

My battery life blows with CM7 too. Can't figure it out at all.
[EVO 4G General] kingdazy:
I'm not a fan of the "look" of stock sense, but as a base for others to redesign, i love it's functionality, integration, and I too get great batt life, at least a day+.

coming from the Hero, where every bit of performance you could squeeze from it was needed, I could appreciate the AOSPs and CMs, but (so far) with the Evo, have not needed to.
[EVO 4G General] HipKat:
Actually, the best of both worlds is probably VaelPak. I might give that run again for a bit, even though I'm loving Destroyer.
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
I'll tell u why OPINION everyone has their own just so you know
[EVO 4G General] ECrispy:
I still haven't seen any real world proof that AOSP rom's are faster than an optimized Sense rom like Mik or Myn's. So the question is why would anyone not want Sense since you get a lot of extra stuff, its more stable and more polished.
[EVO 4G General] kingdazy:
depends on what you mean by "proof", I am under the impression that benchmarks are "better" (I gotz moar Mflopz bro!!1!!) under AOSPs...? (can't be assed to find proof right this sec)

but i dont think any (or little) of that translates to user experience. perhaps the exception being some "heavy" apps will be smoother under AOSP.

I hated Sense on the Hero. but thats because the Hero was slow to begin with, and AOSP/CM was it's savior. Not needed (IMHO) on the Evo.
[EVO 4G General] daman215:
i dont no how to post my own thread but i love sense roms the question is why do people like gingerbread roms is what i want to know
[EVO 4G General] pottyvick:
I switch back and forth a lot. I Use CM as my main aosp rom. And right now Im using KINGS Unleashed ultra black r3. There are good to both. And bad things.

For me, CM seems a lot faster as some things. But The sense rom seems more polished.

Can't wait for CM7 RC3...
[EVO 4G General] felacio:
Ya know wwhat? Me neither. So many say that AOSP is much faster. And all my experience only shows that fact in benchmarks. But when actually using the device it feels the same, or slightly laggier than a good sense rom (like Mikfroyo).

Actually, games feel smoother on aosp. Like angry birds. That could just be that I always seem to have adfree. On my aosp roms but not sense roms. Ads always slow my games down.
[EVO 4G General] ECrispy:
Having tried a bunch of AOSP and Sense rom's, I can say that at least for me, on my hardware, Sense is better. The only AOSP rom I would consider using daily is MIUI because it has so much extra stuff, and still is tiny. All others feel like they're just the same with a different skin/launcher, and I don't want to deal with issues getting things like gps/bt/camera to work.

Sense has by far the best contacts/FB integration. This is something I miss.

Gingerbread is nice but really doesn't bring much to the table. The improvements are mainly under the hood and not visible to the user or felt in daily use.

For me, stability/polish > slight speed decrease. After all, whats the point in being faster if stuff doesn't work or it crashes.
[EVO 4G General] HipKat:
Well, I did go back to VaelPak, from Destroyer for now, and it's, of course, stable, and all, but still not the battery life I got on CM7.

Better than I had on other Sense ROMS, though, by far, but still...

Fix the battery issues, and I'll be real happy
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dizM0nkey:
Hey all,

It appears that ActiveSync Encryption is only on the Desire builds... unless someone can prove me wrong (please, please do! :D )

I'm not a fan of the Desire builds because they feel bloated and slow: I don't like HTC Sense.

Can someone recommend a non-sense (nonsense?) build that has ActiveSync Encryption and is either:

a. not Desire build

b. Desire build but very, very fast

Thank ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] smokin901:
You can try ginger sense by imilka still in beta tho but useable
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
Defy Froyo 3.4.2 Cookie Cutter Rom​

Q. How Do I use the Update.zip?

A. Go to Market & Download Defy SD-Recovery & Install..

1. Next place the Update.zip on the /sdcard via PC

2. Turn on MoTo Phone Portal ( SD-Recovery is SD Based so you need to Turn Off USB Mass Storage )

3. ADB Debugging does not have to be Turned Off on my version

Once Booted into the Recovery apply the update.zip

wait a few minutes & it should be done...

Please Reads the notes I left in the Update.zip if you build a Custom Update.zip, this will save you trouble down the road.

What's Flashed?

A. Boot.img

B. dev_tree

C. Moto Blur 3.4.2 Rom ( Yes I know it's not the latest, built off what I had )

D. UNO & TMO-TV Removed

E. Rooted ( SU & Superuser )

F. Busybox Installed to xbin

G. Rest of Rom is stock

Once installed, remove eugene.apk from /system/app ( Old boot strap that need adb turned off before rebooting / defy sd-recovery does not have this issue)

Q. I Edited the update.zip & Now it fails verf. in recovery when trying to flash!

A. example of signapk on signing the edited update

java -Xmx1024m -jar signapk.jar -w testkey.x509.pem testkey.pk8 update1.zip update.zip

Download: Original Post
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
To Update other parts of the Phone: Add this to the update-scripts for what you are flashing.

If we had all these Parts from 2.1 we could go back.

package_extract_file("lbl", "/tmp/lbl");

write_raw_image("/tmp/lbl","lbl");

delete("/tmp/lbl");

package_extract_file("device_tree.bin", "/tmp/device_tree.bin");

write_raw_image("/tmp/device_tree.bin","devtree");

delete("/tmp/device_tree.bin");

package_extract_file("cdrom", "/tmp/cdrom");

write_raw_image("/tmp/cdrom","cdrom");

delete("/tmp/cdrom");

package_extract_file("logo.bin", "/tmp/logo.bin");

write_raw_image("/tmp/logo.bin","logo.bin");

delete("/tmp/logo.bin");

package_extract_file("umts_wrigleyref_build.bin", "/tmp/umts_wrigleyref_build.bin");

write_raw_image("/tmp/umts_wrigleyref_build.bin","bpsw");

delete("/tmp/umts_wrigleyref_build.bin");

package_extract_file("cdt.bin", "/tmp/cdt.bin");

write_raw_image("/tmp/cdt.bin","cdt.bin");

delete("/tmp/cdt.bin");
[Defy Android Development] edition-:
Hey eugene,

Glad to see you working on Defy too :)

I think this will be major help for developers and btw that 3.4.2 version did you used? since there are many of them.

Thanks.
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
um. 107 I think since it has a floating update.zip someplace & sbf.

Ill update to the latest when I start building roms
[Defy Android Development] racca:
i don't understand. is the boot.img still the signed cg35.smg?

if so, can't we just use the cmw to do that?

can you post more detailed chages you made over cmw?

other than the signapk and usb debugging described.

many thanks.
[Defy Android Development] xdaid:
eugene373 - great work!

Same here, i'm pretty interested in more details, thank you
[Defy Android Development] Blackcorsa:
this Zip File is for what ?

Thanks

Greetings
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
you can not use cwm due encryption. If you dont know what an update.zip is stick to nandroid...

This is for rom builders.

Heading out, when I get home ill make it clearer.

Though, now that I think about it cwm might be fine due to the nature of how it works.

Ill test later and let everyone know
[Defy Android Development] Sqoerk:
So we are able to install updates via the "normal" Motorola Recovery mode? So we are able to get a "unbrickable" Defy? :confused:

Edit: got it myself. The ZIP File won't be recognized by the motorola recovery... anyway thanks for your job :D
[Defy Android Development] Simplestas:
Now, what can SD-recovery do? Can it write other partitions, like cdt.bin?
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
Yes. I can add the string if you would like
[Defy Android Development] racca:
CwM can do exactly the same afaik, i've already made quite a few update.zip with it.

after reading all your notes, do you actually mean that we can't use format on those patitions?

if you do, well, i learned it the hard way, and delete_recursive also works for me.

thanks for putting up an excellent example if not for anything else, it's much needed.
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
Correct, you can only format with the stock recovery ( Hence the reason why I used the Stock Recovery ) any Partition with cwm recovery will cause a non-booting system..

regarding cwm I've not tested it, so Likely it will work.. Steven is still working on the cwm recovery & there is no point in me adding another cwm bootstrap recovery... Mine is just pure stock & works perfect.

I'm still weeding through the /bin /etc file's to find exactly what needs left...

but main goal was to provide an example of what is needed to make an update.zip with out breaking the system.
[Defy Android Development] drsouly:
what exactly is the benefit of this new method?
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
um? Your joking right!

Update versus a nandroid, I would have thought it was a no brainier....

Build & edit roms on the fly + being able to flash boot.img & downgrading is fine without sbf unless you screw up completely..
[Defy Android Development] drsouly:
ok now i got it ;) thx
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
no problem, wasn't sure if you was being a smart-ass or honestly didn't know...

either way, sorry If I offended you.

~Eugene
[Defy Android Development] psicodelico:
I didn't understand yet :D. I can or not apply the update file using stock recovery?

EDIT: forget I understood now. :D :D
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
Read OP.... Download Defy SD-Recovery from Market
[Defy Android Development] psicodelico:
Yeah, I read again slowly and understood.
[Defy Android Development] xdaid:
eugene373 -

This is the kind of work that motorola's owners need.

Your thanks meter is growing (and i can see it is already a fat one..)
[Defy Android Development] drsouly:
another stupid question ;)

will we be able to build cm6 with this one?
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
No you can not build CM, though you might be able to port with trickery.. ( I'm not going to explain )...

Regarding if you need SD-Recovery? idk if cwm recovery will work, I'll test when the wife gets home and I can do without the phone calls...

but, you can flash the sd-recovery from cwm to boot sd-recovery and use it like normal..
[Defy Android Development] edition-:
Hey Eugene, you talked about going back to 2.1 if we had that parts you talked about, if he had them we could get back without traces?

I'm asking this because i need to fix my Flashlight that chinese 2.2 + froyosense ****ed up, and for warranty i don't know which ROM i should use.. Since motorola is still officially in 2.51

Thanks.
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
Technically yes. I still need to test out flash the radio / modem though..
[Defy Android Development] edition-:
How is it possible to get those files from 2.1?

A nandroid would be enought?
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
nandroid is not enough..
[Defy Android Development] eugene373:
So I finally got around to testing the update.zip in cwm recovery, you can use it for flashing just fine... I'll update sd-recovery on the market to use cwm now that I know it works.
[Defy Android Development] kirpeace:
great work waiting for your work to complete
[Defy Android Development] BadRandolph:
so, instead of cwm recovery i can use your sd-recovery? just got it from the market.

but all this has no effect on working on the kernel or bootloader, right?
[Defy Android Development] Sqoerk:
Any news here?

I'm trying to get your method working with a self created update zip for the Pay 5.1 rom. Unfortunaly I'm always stuck on the Motorola Logo.

The bootloader isn't the problem I checked that. Is there anything I have to do on your script?

A small howto would be really great.

Thanks for your work man :D
[Defy Android Development] Kaffeekranz:
Your sd recovery, just like the latest cwm, gives me a blank screen when booting into recovery.

Tenfar's recovery works though.. has anyone got an idea how to fix it?

/e

Meh, I still needed to disable usb debugging. Alright then, it works fine.
[Defy Android Development] drsouly:
has any defy rom developer used the cookie cutter yet?
[Defy Android Development] Sqoerk:
Actually I'm trying to get this working with a selfcreated ROM since 2 Weeks or so... have a look here at the german forum: http://www.android-hilfe.de/root-ha...ate-zip-als-komplettes-rom-update-nutzen.html

Unfortunaly I'm not already done. I was able to install the pay 5.1 ROM with this method, but it was unstable because /data was inaccessable :mad:

Still working on it when I got some free time, as most devs included the sd-recovery already. So we should be able to get new ROMs running without SBF Flashing and so on :o
[Defy Android Development] jacortijo:
hi all,

I dont really understand what is this update.zip about? is it a way to root the device plus and upgrade of the system to Froyo?

just to install SD recovery, copy the file in the card and install restore and restart?

sorry for the question maybe it is too simple, I just got the device and diving in forums for two days already....

cheers...

Jose
[Defy Android Development] Sqoerk:
update.zip is a possibility to update your system from the SD-Recovery. You create your system in this zip file as you won't it to have on your device. Then reboot into SD-Recovery and apply this update. Also you can run some custom scripts like deleting all files with a special ending and so on.

Here is a description how you can use a update.zip to flash a whole ROM. This is new and not used on the defy. With this possibility you can directly jump from one ROM to another without flashing an SBF. So its extremly quick and simple to do a upgrade from Android 2.1 to 2.2 ;)

U have to do:

- root your device

- reboot

- copy update.zip to your SD Card

- Install SD-Recovery

- Start SD-Recovery

- Push "Install Recovery"

- Push "Reboot Recovery"

- wait for the green menu to appear :D
[Defy Android Development] adlx.xda:
Hi Eugene,

In the post-install.sh I see you remove almost everyth from system, but you don't remove bin nor etc.

Is it intentional for some reason? When u tested, did you get to the conclusion that wiping bin and/or etc made the whole thing break?

Thanks in advance
[Defy Android Development] racca:
I think he's not. If you look at the zip I provided in the chinese 2.2.2 thread, you'll find out that I too deleted almost everything in /system, inclding bin etc.

I've tested it with both recoveries, apparently it didn't break anything, not that I know of anyways.
[Defy Android Development] sonyc2011:
Not working

i am stuck on the Motorola logo and nothing. I have to pull de batery to restart the device.Is this becuse the 2.51.1?

My phone is rooted.
[Defy Android Development] adlx.xda:
True I can confirm, I've tested it.

What are you doing exactly? When are u stuck ? After flashing the cookie cutter template? Or is your problem that you don't get to enter into SD-Recovery? (I can't either btw).
[Defy Android Development] sonyc2011:
It is alive....

My Defy it is ok now. I install via rds the 3.4.2.115 but my market didn't work (it was not installing any aplication) and now i'm back with hard work and a lot of reading to 2.51.1 .

Now i'm afraid to install another rom becouse i can brick my phone.
[Nook Color Themes and Apps] Kayak83:
Can anybody give instruction and upload the gingerbread .apk for nookie froyo? I found the thread on installing in rooted stock, but that's it.
[Nook Color Themes and Apps] eyeballer:
There's a version in the market, just install that. Free version is all you need.
[Nook Color Themes and Apps] Kayak83:
Is it possible on rooted stock?
[Nook Color Themes and Apps] ErroneousBosch:
Look for "Keyboard from Android 2.3" . Works like a charm, even in the free version.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dreamingman:
Got a quick question.

Will it do my phone any harm if unplugging USB cable from notebook or PC in the situation where the phone is not fully charged yet? :confused:

Very appreciate any information you could give me.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xinot:
It won't hurt your phone/battery.

More harmful is to let your battery go fully down all the time.

Just plug it in whenever it is possible and it's all fine... ;)

Here is some info.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dreamingman:
Thanks for your information:)
[Xoom General] MrZ123:
Whenever I use the browser for a while with tabs, especially on forums, the browser stops loading pages. The page load status bar just stops half way.

If I force stop the browser in Settings and then go back into it everything works fine for a while until I need to force stop again.

Anyone else with this problem? Any solutions?
[Xoom General] calin75:
It happened to me today. I had to reboot and it got fixed.
[Xoom General] hoola20055:
It JUST happened to me. Force stopped and it seems ok now. I was multi window surfing btw.
[Xoom General] DroidzFX:
I have been having similar issues with the default browser. It loads about 80% and then just stalls. Dolphin browser works fine so I know its not my wireless connection. Kinda of annoyong when I'm trying to do something and I prefer the default browser so I hope this gets fixed some time soon.
[Xoom General] synplex:
Same thing has been happening to me still day 1 with stock browser. :confused:

After about 3-4 tabs, pages will start to half load then crash. Even after force closing the browser when I reopen after about 2 tabs it starts to freeze up again until I restart the tab. And now Dolphin HD is crashing on me when ever there a flash heavy site.

WHat gives?? :mad:
[Xoom General] goldsworthy:
I am sure MOTO will fix this problem some day
[Xoom General] Sarxs:
The only problem/issue I've had with the browser is: When your watching a video via flash on a site, streaming it, if you switch away from that tab it stops playing the audio.

Makes it impossible to listen to something via stream in the browser and browse other sites =/
[Xoom General] inrelief:
Not Moto's issue -- it's the stock honeycomb browser. This update will be coming from Google.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] slycker:
Hi,

I've come to believe that my TP2 phone's internal memory has some bad sectors, and am wondering if there is a utility that can scan for these and mark them so that they will not be used with future flashes. I've searched fairly extensively on this site, as well as on PPC Geeks, and haven't found anything that could accomplish this yet. It doesn't seem like task29 would do this (and I've used it, yet still have problems arise), and I can't seem to get more info on this around the CustomRUU or HardSPL forums.

Initially I used the stock ROM, and it worked quite well for a few months. After a while, it developed problems with a key executable in the OS. A hard reset solved this problem for another few months, when it arose again, with the same executable causing the problem. I soon unlocked my phone and flashed a custom ROM on it, and all key components worked fine. Interestingly, it seemed to be the section of the ROM storing the ringtones that was unreliably stored, and the phone would revert to silent mode after being unable to open the files (replicated by trying to manually open these files, or preview them in the sound preferences section). Occasionally these files would work, just as occasionally the faulty executable would work in the stock ROM. The easy work-around for this was to have a ringtone on the SD Card, which is what I've done for the last few months.

I would like to be able to flash future ROMs without wondering which areas of the OS would fail (and am wanting to root the phone to run the android NAND build, which is now quite mature). Is there an application somewhere that can do this? Is there a good website or resource that you can point me to that deals with this?

Thanks for your help!

I have a Rhodium 400 (Telus, CDMA) fully unlocked & with Hard SPL installed. I'm running WM5 (Energy ROM), with XDAndroid FRX04 running via haret off of the SD Card.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] ai6908:
Doesnt sound like a chip issue. It might be something with your program that you are using. Besides, OS tends to go corrupt after a while, so a Hard Reset every couple of months, is not a bad deal.

If you have a bad chip, then you wont be able to load a OS at all.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] slycker:
Not a chip issue? It sure seems to be why an OS would 'go corrupt after a while'. I don't imagine it's an all-or-nothing issue, but that some portions of a chip may contain bad sectors (or whatever the equivalent is for nand).

Regardless, I hear your assertion that this type of experience is common enough. If anyone else has some insight into how this corruption may be avoided or delayed, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

(FRX05 on NAND will be on my Rhod 400 soon enough)
[Vibrant General] fioricet:
Wifes vibrant stolen in San Antonio, Texas on march 14th 2011. imei number 355060042338850. if you happen to purchase this phone in the future i would just like the name of the person who sold it. i know they live in these apartments because thats were the gps told us but thats not good enough for the police.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=29.509352,-98.41217&spn=0.000872,0.000704&t=h&z=21

thanks again

:mad:
[Vibrant General] imitebewrong:
I'd be going door to door screaming!!

That pisses me off!

Offer a $50 reward on a sign in the entrance of the complex. You might catch the shady bastard.

People are assholes! :mad:
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
Freaking piss me off I've had 2 phones stolen 1 at a party it was in my pocket and the other at a doctors office...
[Vibrant General] nomadrider123:
You might want to check craigs list. They are probably looking to unload it
[Vibrant General] oka1:
Hope you get lucky, but the odds are against you in retrieving the phone or finding the person, You might find someone who is living in the complex and offer them a reward to find who is offing a vibrant that would be your best chance.