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[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Thanks for removing all my caps in the title!

!!!!!!!DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!!!!!!!!

Better be careful as from what I've read Lithium-Ion batteries and their Lithium-Ion chargers are not compatible with Li-Po batteries...overheat and explosion may result as these are two completely different manufacturing processes and chemical base. I just ordered a PSP 3600mAh 3.6v 3-contact lithium-ion battery via eBay for a whopping ~$3 including shipping. Here's the link:

...ebay.com/itm/130487841686?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Not sure if it will fit under the Mugen 2600 mAh batt cover that I ordered. Here are the dimensions that one of the eBay sellers listed: 56.90 x 35.90 x 13.00mm. Removing it from that bulky housing will definitely help. We'll see.

Be careful!
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
He he.

I know what I am doing :) . I am experienced in electricity end electronics.

Look here http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10035818&postcount=32

or here

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10195901&postcount=33

or even better read my posts in mentioned thread.

All works fine for months . It is practically imposible to overheat any of batteries in my circuit.

Such events can only occur if one try to charge battery using its current limits. Even for original

tg01 such limit is about 1A ( if its safety electronics allows for this ).

My current additional li-pol battery has 2600mAH and has max charging current about 2.6A.

Take into account that paralell connection causes that even maximum chargin current tg01 offers ( about 0.5A )

will never flow by original tg01 battery.

Our tg01 charge batteries with initial current which value is

a little bit below 0.5 A and goes down during charging process.

Anyway, whole is controlled once by tg01 itself and two by safety circuit of original tg01 battery.

BTH. I would like to see what battery You gonna to buy but Your link is wrong. Could You give it once again ?

Ok. I found.

Now, You be carefull :) Many "large" batteries, especially for phones are simply rubish.

Yes, I know that "naked" li-pol batteries are relatively cheap in comparison to dedicated batteries.

This battery is dedicated and I do not bilieve that 3600mAh lithium-pol battery ( I guess with safety electronics ) can be so cheap.

What capacity has original battery ? If really 3600mAH You have chance

this replacement can be good. If 2400mAH or even less, do not believe

in miracules.

For example, http://batimex.pl/towar.php?idtowaru=1942&idzastosowanianad=430&idzastosowania=431

Only 2400mAH but costs about 35$

naked li-pol 3400mAh http://batimex.pl/towar.php?idtowaru=3473&idzastosowanianad=518&idzastosowania=519

costs only about 10$

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Glad you have the battery situation well under control. Yeah I was shocked to see such a large capacity lithium-ion, not li-po, battery so low in price, so thought I would take a chance and see what arrives but have to say that eBay has tons of them. However, because so many sellers are selling marked up capacities (not just on eBay) I grabbed all my batteries, measured them, and got an average vol.(mm^3)/power (mAh) ratio. I figured that should be fairly consistent. The average value I got for 6 different batteries was 9.524 mm^3/mAh, which should be a pretty good reference. Immediately, I found the Ming Xing A008 battery listed all over the web as 3800mAh...BULLSH*T as its Vol/Power ratio is exactly half of my average. It means it's really a 1900mah battery at best. The Sony works out to be 7.3mm^3/mAh allowing for 10% plastic case vol. so it is more than likely a 2200-2400mAh battery, still not too bad...and for less than $3 no worries.

I know very little about battery technology but have seen the warnings. This can especially be problematic mixing li-ion & li-po cells in parallel since they both have different internal resistances. Also, and apparently, "li-ion batteries don't like to be trickle charged" while "LiPoly batteries must be charged carefully. The basic process is to charge at constant current until each cell reaches 4.2 V; the charger must then gradually reduce the charge current while holding the cell voltage at 4.2 V until the charge current has dropped to a small percentage of the initial charge rate, at which point the battery is considered 100% charged."

I'll let you know how my project works out. Probably, my first trick is to wire the 2 new 1000mAh batteries that I just ordered in parallel with the existing 1000mAh battery, which still seems to work well for such an undersized battery. Any tips are appreciated!

Cheers!
[TG01 ROM Development] Pere:
Yes but I say "USB" Keyboard, y don't have problems with on screen keyboards, I though in any kind of register tweak to change the Keyboard mode...
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Upps :o

I will ask my expert :)

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Tg01 charges batteries the way You described. Starts from about 0.5A

and stops at about 4.20 volts are reached ( current is much reduced then but do not remember exact value ). I have never observed voltage greater than 4.19. Absolute maximum voltage for li-xxx batteries is 4.25V.

he he . Maybe You are right. It will not be 3600mAH. I guess not greater than 2400mAH.

As I know PSP has never had even 2400mAH battery but 1800 or maybe 2200 so

I would expect maximum like these values.

You have largest mugen cover or additional two 1000mAH batteries are enough thin You can utilze middle mugen cover ?

Anyway, You have to remove bands from all batteries so that to connect them in paralel way.

None philosophy :)

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Thanks for the "remove bands" battery tip! My Mugen "2600" back cover just came in this afternoon's mail and looks great...not nearly as 'fat' as I thought it would look. The new 1000 mAh batteries haven't arrived yet, but it looks like there will be plenty of room. I have to say that it certainly is easier to grasp the TG01 now instead of with those slippery rounded edges.

More news as it develops! Cheers...
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
He he. I mentioned somewhere about it.

My largest mugen cover makes it even more ergonomic. Thin phones are not good to keep safely in hands.

My 1150mAh arrived today too. :)

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Interesting, as my pair of Cameron Sino batteries also arrived today, but instead of being labeled as 1000 mAh they are both labeled as 1100 mAh. I don't believe in free lunches and the thickness matches the original Toshiba battery so I don't think I believe the increase in capacity is real, although Cameron Sino is supposed to be an excellent brand. I'll have to give them a workout to see if they last longer than the original.

Let's see what happens...
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
I have one unit of this battery too. It is labeled 1100 but .... hmmm. In my oppinion its capacity is not greater than original tg01 battery . Maybe it is a little bit less :) but only a liitle bit. You like measurements so do some.

Frankly speaking I did not do any scientific measurements this time ( resistive load and current and voltage by multimeter ) but "mesaurements" with working tg01 and the same application working until tg01's "death" so mentioned "little bit" can turn out false conclusion.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
I agree 1100%...or make that 1000% ;^) Even if I were somehow able to perform a test that proved that the 1100 mAh battery has 10% more capacity than the original, the results would be meaningless since I bought the phone with its Toshiba battery second hand so the age of the battery and the condition compared to when it was new is unknown, except that it works. I should at least get an idea if there is a big difference during the next few days. :)

Cheers!
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Yes, it is rather difficult to measure total battery capacity in absolute units .

One has to have some kind of energy meter which all the time calculate current energy flow ( current and voltage still decrease when battery is loaded ).

Some kind of integrator.

On the other hand I am curious with what accuracy manufacturers create their batteries.

I compared "naked" li-pol utilized by me few months ago for tg01 working current tests with tg01 original battery and it seemed to have similar working time ( until tg01 "death" ).

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Seems like they would just base the battery size on the application requirements and then size the battery based on the energy density of the chosen battery type since it's a constant and easy to extrapolate accurate battery size. However, it appears that battery capacity was the last thing on the minds of the sales/marketing team that dreamed up the TG01 concept.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Cheers!
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
There were difficulties ( because of wires. Their thickness adds to thickness of additional li-pol batteries unfortunately and one can not omit it ) but I succeded :) .

Now 4750mAh on board.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] Pere:
could we have a picture? Just curiosity....
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Congratulations!!! How long do you expect between charges now? BTW, I went back and read the entire TG01 battery thread. You, sir, are definitely the master!:D:D:D I'm looking forward to seeing what your next modification will be. :eek:;)
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Hi Pere.

Only minor changes in comparison to my previous solution ( total 3600mAh ).

I simply found very thin ( about 3.8mm ) 1150mAh li-pol battery on the market and made thicker "sandwitch". What You can see on attached pictures ( sorry for poor quality ) is 1150mAh battey on top of previous 2600mAh battery. Connected together with original tg01 battery give 4750 mAh.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
After studying your photos I have some questions. I hope you don't mind. How did you pinpoint the exact locations that intercept the positive and negative contact points on the Toshiba battery, especially the right hand side negative connection with the green wire? It looks like you only removed just enough white plastic battery covering to exactly expose just the contact. Is it a brass contact that you soldered to or ?? What kind of adhesive did you use to bond the wire to the white plastic battery cover?

Thanks!
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Hi.

As I remember ( few months ago ), after removng plastic band I had also opportunity to temporary remove part of plastic "cover" of tg01 original battery.

Having access to very big negative and positive contacts I soldered wires ( belive me, there is enough room to solder it :) ), connected previosly removed plastic part and rolled up previousky removed plastic band.

So that to do not sever wires near soldered point of tg01 original battery I used a little bit of epoxide glue ( well seen on photos ).

I hope it is clear now but if not ask again :)

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] yaro666:
after clean install of gpsgate and igo primo 1.2 released in may with NQ maps it works good, I had 1 time signal lost maybe because of infrastructure, but after 2 h of testing, it works rather good.

sys.txt attached few posts earlier wasn't working.

keyboard didn't show, resolution didn't match, voices didn't work, but as always I managed to get it to work after a few tries.

gpsgate and port 2 work great.

thx for help
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
What a surprise??!!

The SPB trial apparently expired with absolutely no warning and immediately there is no access to any functions except basic calling unless I go to their website and buy a $29.95 license. SPB has completely locked me out of every function. I certainly don't agree with this underhanded tactic by SPB. I should have gotten a warning that the trial was about to expire so I would have time to make a choice whether to buy a license or uninstall SPB UI and/or load a different ROM instead of locking me out of WinMo completely. This forced me to go to the dark side to get my phone working again.

It sucks!
[TG01 ROM Development] Pere:
Hi dude, have not yet received a response from your "expert"? ;)
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Sorry Pere I did not answer but "expert" does not know solution too :(

You may be quite right that it require only registry settings.

Did You ask about it previously in any other thread ? None responses ?

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] yaro666:
few months ago I had the same problem. I was in the cottage house and it suddenly happened. I have changed ROM as soon as i get to my home.

nothing worked, start locked, phone locked...
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Just a simple warning would have been nice. I spent hours this morning trying to find a workaround, which I finally did. I like the SPB UI and I especially like fxdjacentyfxd's lean and mean ROM, but I really don't like SPB locking up my phone's WinMo functions making the phone all but unusable.

@fxdjacentyfxd, not sure how hard it would be to add a routine to give the user an advance warning that SPB is about to expire, but it would certainly be nice to minimize the drama. ;)
[TG01 ROM Development] Pere:
I think that the easiest way is warning on the first post, just besides the download links.

Cheers
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Pere and CrushMurdock, I can not agree with You :P

What have You the "face" in my roms for ? he ?

There is always a way out :) and one does not have to do any hard reset and other hard core operation with my rom.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd

---------- Post added at 01:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:08 PM ----------

Hi.

Already answered in previous post.

BTH. What about Your works with big batteries ? Any disaster ? ;)

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Greetings, fxdjacentyfxd,

I was not complaining about your excellent ROM, only about SPB blocking all functionality without a warning. I did click on the Start icon and Total Commander did open, but I was unable to use it to fix the problem, because I'm still new to the TG01 game. I was hoping to find and disable the routine that disables the Start screen but was unsuccessful. In the 3 years that I've used a custom WM ROM for my 8525 I've never encountered anything like this so I was forced to search online for a 'solution' since the only function left on the phone was making or receiving calls. I still think it would be a great idea to add a user warning. Like I said this was a totally unexpected and not pleasant surprise.:eek::eek::eek:

Cheers!;)

---------- Post added at 06:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:42 PM ----------

Haven't modified the Toshiba battery yet as have been checking the endurance of the new Cameron Sino batteries. They are better than the original Toshiba, but still don't have near enough the capacity, so will do a mod soon. After more research I see why you are using Li-Po cells as they are lighter and stronger than Li-Ion with no more risk. I plan to pick up a 'naked' 2500mAh pack soon.

Cheers!;)
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Hi.

By default Total Commander is executed but I mentioned it is configured.

Anyway, even having Total Commander You can get access to system settings and You can always do certain things :

1) Having access to settings You can do SPB shell backup if You have not done it previously

2) Uninstall SPB shell if You have not serial code for it yet

3) Install SPB shell again and resore its options. It surely works because Id did it several times. You have again two weeks :)))

4) Instead of SPB shell You can always install any other GUI

Ok, I will write warning concerning SPB shell

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Thanks fxdjacentyfxd!!!!!!!!!!! That's exactly why I will stay with your ROM because you are always willing to listen to your users, even when n00bs like me get confused.:eek:

Thanks again, you're the best! :D:D:D
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
The Sony PSP Chinese made '3600mAh' battery cartridge arrived today. I was shocked after opening the mailer how small it looked. It also felt very light in weight so I grabbed my rotary hobby grinder/cutter tool and carefully cut the plastic case halves apart along the seam and popped the battery out. It's smaller but thicker than the original Toshiba battery. On top is mounted a circuit board (probably protective charging circuit) with a thin layer of foam rubber between it and the battery to keep the battery from bouncing around the plastic housing. After measuring the actual battery I estimate instead of a claimed 3600mAh it is approximately 850 mAh! Good thing I only paid $2.69 U.S. dollars including shipping. There are many sellers on eBay offering this same bogus battery.:eek::eek::eek: One thing I have learned in life is that there are no free lunches!;)

Cheers...
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
He he , What I told You ? Never belive in such big battery capactitance if its size is not comparable to original well known battery. In Your case it is really disaster.

I had "lesson" in the past buying 2500mAh cellurar phone battery. It turned out te be about 650mAh. The same as original, good manufacturer battery having the same size. I do not know why none will do order with all this cheaters ? They are all the same in all countries and many people have been cheated. It is very easy to proof that they sell piece of sh... not good batteries.

I have never been disapointed of "naked" li-pol battery from good sellers. They are cheap and excelent even if manufactured in China.

My current 4750mH battery works perfect.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
I bought this particular battery out of curiosity because it was so cheap and I knew it wasn't going to be 3600 mAh because I already had the dimensions of the cartridge. I was hoping it was at least 1800 mAh since Sony has an 1800 mAh version, then I could have used it. When I checked the voltage it is around 3.6v so it is at least a real battery.:eek:

Do you have a link for your 2500 mAh "naked" li-po battery? Also, how thick is it? Anyway, glad I was able to entertain you a little bit with this exercise.;)

Cheers fxdjacentyfxd!:D
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Hi.

I am afraid it will be a little bit far from Your country :) and You have to check

whether they have international shipment.

Take into account that I have largest Mugen back cover so carefully check battery size.

My 2600mAh I bought at "artronic" seller here ( they seem do not have english language on www site :(

but You can ask via e-mail biuro@artronic.pl or available phone numbers

+48 585800350

+48 601629579 ( cellular )

+48 586685783

+48 586685784

) :

http://www.artronic.pl/o_produkcie.php?id=1134?

This battery is MaxPower brand.

Its sizes : 47x72x8.6 . Taking int account current dollar's course, it costs about 8$

They have 2400mAh battery here :

http://www.artronic.pl/o_produkcie.php?id=1141?

Its sizes : 49x77x6

Other li-pol batteries available at "artronic" seller You have here :

http://www.artronic.pl/oferta.php?id=890&d=1&idp=0&

My last additional 1150mAh battery is from "Batimex" seller :

http://batimex.pl/towar.php?idtowaru=3692&idzastosowanianad=518&idzastosowania=519&selectLanguage=en

Its sizes : 3.8x47.0x65.0

As You can see Batimex has a lot of other li-pol batteries so You can find appropriate one.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] DeeJay05:
easyest way is to write an email to spb support :)

say them u have installed newest version and u have an tg01 with spb original installed then u will get an legal serial from spb.

spn know that toshiba have "hardcoded" the spb mobile shell and dont have write down an serial for this.

greats dj
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Hi.

For my personal usage I did as You mentioned. Having legal 3.01 version in Malezya rom I wrote e-mail to SPB company and I got serial number for 3.5 version.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Thank you so much for the information, fxdjacentyfxd!!! I need to find a battery less than 8mm thick or my Mugen cover will not close without difficulty.:eek:

Thanks again my friend!:D:D:D
[TG01 ROM Development] yaro666:
If I can be of any help, just ask, I can translate it to you, cuz' I live in Poland
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Thanks yaro666, I might take you up your offer soon! ;)

Cheers! :D:D:D
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Mentioned 2400mAh is 6mm thick. It is safe thickness because You have to leave some room for cables. Check whether given width ( 49 ) and length ( 77 ) are good for Your cover.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
OUCH...length might be a problem. Probably 68-70mm will fit without modifying the cover. Width is fine at 49mm.
[TG01 ROM Development] fxdjacentyfxd:
Look here http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Polymer/Lithium_polymer_cells.html

In the table You can find battery 2400mAh type 655165

thickness - 6.6

width - 49.8

height - 64.8

weight - 45.0

I am afraid they will not sell You one unit and I do not know what price it has but I would like to show You that

situation is not hopeless and suitable batteries exist :)

You are from Malezya ? Relatively near You can try to buy via alibaba or aliexpress. For example :

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/350302252/3_7V_Li_Polymer_655165_2200mAh.html

Size: 6.5*51*65(mm)

Maybe 655165 type from http://www.lipolbattery.com/li-po battery.html

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
Thanks for the links!;) Minimum order at Alibaba is 500 pcs. so I will look around, probably eBay, where I can buy one naked 2200mAh Li-Po battery. In the meantime I think I will connect the original Toshiba 1000 mAh battery with 1 or 2 of the Cameron Sino '1100' mAh Li-Ion batteries I have in parallel like I had originally planned. I wish there was a fix for the inaccurate battery meter on the TG01.

Cheers!:D:D:D
[TG01 ROM Development] CrashMurdock:
I will post some photos soon but just remember that my soldering skills are almost nill so the results aren't pretty. I just measured the gap with the 3rd battery in place and the case would have to be about 3mm deeper. The original battery and the Cameron Sino '1100' mah are exactly the same size - approximately 5mm thick. Do you have any ideas about attaching the contact springs to the battery terminals that I mentioned previously?

OHHH...almost forgot to tell you. It is apparently standard practice for non-OEM battery makers/sellers to lie about claimed capacities. I'm guessing that Cameron Sino may be in that group, although I have to say that wiring two of their '1100' mAh batteries together has resulted in a perceived much more than double the battery capacity of the original 1000 mAh Toshiba battery. Keep in mind it was used when I got the phone so have no idea of its service life to date. I also continue to have excellent battery life with my Cameron Sino 3000 mAh battery in my HTC 8525 even after two years of very heavy use. Mugen, unfortunately, is one of those companies that blatantly lies about capacities. There's a fellow named Doug Simmons who has thoroughly tested a variety of batteries, including Mugen, and reported the sad results. Check out these links:

http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/21/ar...tery-manufacturers-deceiving-their-customers/

http://batteryboss.org/

http://mobilitydigest.com/whats-wrong-with-this-picture/

There is absolutely no excuse for anyone to label (2) 1200 mAh cells wired together as 3000 mAh. Unless the photo is a fake I have to say SHAME ON YOU MUGEN!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers & thanks for your continuing advice, fxdjacentyfxd! :D:D:D