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[Xoom General] muyoso:
Jailbreak and install XBMC. Streams right off of your server. What is the Android version of this? Rooting and installing CIFSManager? Gotta say, even though I do this on my Epic4g, XBMC is so much more user friendly even in its non touch friendly state at the moment on the iPad. Also the iPad has Air Video which is AMAZING and I have found nothing as good for Android yet. I am sure these programs will come, and quickly, once Android tablets start taking off, but don't act like the iPad is this absolutely useless locked down piece of hardware. It is ridiculously capable and for the things it cannot do, there are MANY work arounds.

The entire argument about which device is more user friendly is moronic. Its obvious which one is more user friendly. Imagine handing an iPad and a Xoom to a person who has never used either and tell them to play a video on it. Who do you think is gonna figure it out faster? Android is far more useful, but dont even try to say its more user friendly for tablets at this point.
[Xoom General] someone0:
Assuming Xoom MicroSD card slot is working, then the person on the Xoom will figure out faster. You drop a video from the card in there and media scanner scan it automatically and the you will see it in the gallery. On iPad, the user have to connect to a computer first then sync it with iTune before you can play a video. If you are talking about web video, then iPad doesn't play flash, the only web video that work is YouTube. What about thousand of website that are not using youtube for web video?

Again it's subjective. Just because its made by Apple does not make it automatically more user friendly.
[Xoom General] muyoso:
Thats my point. You think they would figure out that videos are in the GALLERY? No way. NO ONE who has never used Android would think videos would be in the gallery.

How does the video get on the microsd card? Oh, you have to connect it to a computer just like you would have to connect the iPad. Again, a lot more user friendly, even though I hate it, to use iTunes for everything.

Its not subjective. The iPad is a more user friendly device. That doesn't make it better. Its just a simpler user interface. I dont know how you can argue against that. Its one of the things I complain about most about the iPad is how simple it is.
[Xoom General] jamaicansolja:
Regret? Um no.
[Xoom General] someone0:
And exactly how does the video get on to computer? Are you telling me no body ever thought about taking microsd out of the cellphone/camera and put into tablet? I didn't know most normal people will take their microsd out of their cellphone and put it in computer, then copy it over to microsd again before putting it into tablet.

And even if that isn't the case, you are telling me people will see importing video into itune then sync it is easier than drag and drop video into microsd or usb storage?
[Xoom General] roebeet:
If I was Apple senior management I'd be extremely peeved that demand was seriously understated. Media buzz only goes so far - 4 to 5 weeks is just plain pathetic to have to wait for a device from a major vendor, during a major rollout.

I could excuse this if this was an iPad 1 - a new product with no history. But a version 2 product, and especially a sequel to a highly successful first run I might add, should not have problems like this. You cannot compare this to a Xoom, this is an iPad with something like 80% market share. It's like MS releasing Windows 8 and then telling people after the first few hours that they are OOS for weeks. They PAY people to track things like this to gauge user demand.

Sorry, no excuse. They either screwed up their projected counts (which is bad) or they actually did this on purpose (which, in my eyes, is even worse - because that means they are even more cocky than I thought they were). I don't think they did this on purpose, though - this is 4 to 5 weeks that Google now has to fix all the Honeycomb issues. EDIT: There might even be a third situation, which is that they were planning for the big release and had stock on hand, and something happened while they were being built - like some bad batches. I could actually see this as something that would explain this mess, except that they never reported it if it did happen. So is this a major inventory blunder, Apple messing with their customers to create more buzz, or some problem at their plant that reduced the number of devices avaiable? Who knows.

I don't care if they need to make millions of them, they should have known what they would have needed in advance and prepared for it. Heck, I could have told them they would sell at least a million in the first few days and I don't even work for them!

I cannot believe anyone is giving them a pass. I'm not a hater - if MS or SONY or Nintendo pulled this carp with a major product release, I'd be just as critical.

EDIT2: Btw, look at Apple stock the last two days. Granted, the Dow has been down in general, but they are lower than average.
[Xoom General] djunio:
Waiting for Roebeet next edit :-)
[Xoom General] roebeet:
nah I'm done. I edit a few times when I'm ranting.
[Xoom General] djunio:
That was awesome and you made some great points.
[Xoom General] B Dizzle:
Wow. I think we need another section under the Xoom category called iPad vs Xoom. Really sick of all the threads that end up like this one. Time for some Mods to play referee.

Really good article from the OP. And yeah he really got flamed in the comments. Its expected. The apple movement is cultish and their users frown on anything outside the box. But nice to see Google getting some recognition.
[Xoom General] muyoso:
Or what about as soon as they had a finished design and a certain threshold of iPads built they decide to launch it? Your entire argument is nullified. Should they postpone the launch by a few months while they produce millions of them so that there wont be a shortage? That makes zero sense. You know the iPad ships DIRECTLY from China to people right?

And this shortage will mean nothing but MORE iPads sold in the long run. The longer consumers have to wait for their iPad, the more they are going to want it.

So basically, I am failing to understand how you could be criticizing them because their product was too popular and they didn't wait a few extra months to produce millions more so that they could never run out. I don't even get your criticism. No one that wants one seems to have too much of a problem with it.
[Xoom General] red man:
Great read thank you
[Xoom General] roebeet:
Because if another company did this, they'd be criticized - I already wrote this, but I am restating it now. Because they are not being treated the same as any other major company. That's why.

What if another large company came out with a major release (lets use the MS analogy again) and this happened. Apple, believe it or not, is not the tiny little shop they want people to believe. They are a large corporation. They makes billions in revenue. Would we give Ford a pass because they couldn't make millions of cars because "hey, that's a lot of cars!" No, because we expect them to keep up with demand. Well, that's what I expect of Apple too. They should be able to gauge demand and keep up with demand - if they can't, they should explain why. If not to the public, they certainly need to for their shareholders.

Btw, their stock is still down from Monday - so I'm obviously not the only one who feels this way. I also just read that they did get some parts from Japan, so that could be another factor here. But, keep in mind that this all happened BEFORE the Earthquake, so I still don't given them a pass. The problems occurred too quickly.

And, if your argument is true (where they released quickly after the redesign and only built a certain number), then they screwed up and my argument is not nullified at all. That means they released too early either out of stupidity or purposely, which are two bullets I already mentioned. You can continue to give them a pass, but I'm not. If MS did something like this, or SONY or Nintendo or Motorola or FORD or anyone else, I'd be just as critical.

EDIT: I will write this one more time, just to be clear -- treat them like you would treat any other large corporation. They are not magical, they don't employ fairies and the ****e coming out of Steve Job's arse doesn't smell like flowers. He's a CEO who wants to make money, and so does his shareholders. You don't make money when you don't have a product to give people. That is bad business. I know you keep saying that people will just want the product more, but people also have a short memory. If Google can get its act together while Apple is trying to fix this problem, they could chip away at the iPad's dominance. You think Google is upset at these events? They are probably enjoying this thoroughly. And if I were Motorola, I'd be changing my commericals to advertise the fact that you can get a Xoom today - no waiting.
[Xoom General] frenzy757:
This is pretty laughable....Car companies do that all of the time....ever order a brand new car and want specific options? Get ready to wait for it. In fact car companies are even worse...go look for a new car at a dealer, its a "buy the color/model/options we have or wait" approach...they don't even offer every single combo...grant it there are a lot more with cars, but you are the one comparing them to Ford.

I see no problem with what Apple is doing. They are doing the best to churn out these products. They have an unbelievable supply chain management that is top notch (the one part that is often overlooked about Apple). The demand is far outpacing the supply...I will bet you Google/Motorola/Samsung are JEALOUS of this problem.

This only potentially hurts Apple since it gives Google a window of time for people to buy a Xoom, but by no means should consumers be "mad at Apple"

I hate iSheep as much as anyone, but fandroids are equally annoying....if the Xoom sold so much that supply couldn't keep up with demands I bet a lot of people would be saying "look how great it is selling. IPAD IS DEAD!"
[Xoom General] funnycreature:
This comparison is very bad. It's not that Apple offers you the biggest variety of options anywhere in their line of products. Either you like the offered combination or you leave it be. It's everywhere that when you order something "a la carte" and not from the buffet you'll have to wait. However, the buffet should always be refilled quickly.

Not saying that the Xoom has any kind of selections but hey... I'm happy with it!
[Xoom General] roebeet:
You don't get many options with an iPad. White or Black only, different RAM or 3G. That's it.

My car comparison is what if FORD didn't have ANY cars after a new rollout, for 4-5 weeks? That you went to any dealer in the country looking for the latest FORD truck that's being advertised and no one in the country had one? No one. That's the comparison I'm making. When's the last time that happened, other than some major parts shortage that they might have advertised? We don't even get an explanation from Apple on what's going on. Very tight lipped.

And I don't appreciate being called a Fandroid. If Moto ran out of stock on a 2nd gen product because they screwed up sales expectations I would be complaining about them, as well. Just because I criticize Apple I am automagically a Droid fanboy? Read my other posts - I have a lot of complaints on the Xoom, too. What I don't understand is how people actually defend these companies for their mistakes - they don't pay me a salary and I have zero loyalty to them - I call it as I see it and all I see is that Apple messed up.

If it sounds like I'm terse it's because this is a sore spot for me. Apple, for some bizarre reason, doesn't seem to have to play by the same rules as every other Fortune 500 out there. When they screw up a release (and they DID) everyone thinks it's on purpose and that they they did it to create media buzz. In the end this little escapade is not going to hurt their bottom line, but do this every time they have a major release that's a different story.
[Xoom General] karnovaran:
The Droid Incredible faced massive shortages and, as a result, didn't become as popular as it would have. I firmly believe that phone would have outsold the original Droid if it hadn't hit such a roadblock. As it happened, consumers couldn't get it and they moved on. If the iPad2 is out of stock for too long, the public will start being curious about other products. Apple is somewhat insulated from this due to the iSheep herd, but they're definitely losing some sales to people that aren't tech crazy enough to wait.
[Xoom General] juscozimme:
There are so many tablets out and everyone is attempting to be the best. My point of view is to test both and find which one suits your style. The tablet craze is awesome in itself. As a tech I simply need to know what to recomend to my customers. Never had an IPAD or MAC but now I do. Android is awesome XDA has guided me in experiencing a new level in cell phones as well OS. Android is the next level and it will only get better. If it wasn't for XDA my Streak would still be on 1.6. Purchased a Zoom all I can say is WOW! I got deal on I pad, I'm impressed when it configures and connects via bluetooth or wireless without problems, but that's about it.

What's next? Does it matter? We all love gadgets and technology. Buy,Sell, Trade, Upgrade what is new today is old tomorrow.
[Xoom General] roebeet:
I don't think this particular problem is going to hurt Apple too badly. A few reasons:

1- It's a one-time event. Assuming it doesn't become a common issue with them, consumers will forget.

2- The Xoom is not a competitor, yet. Things like Flash (beta) and the microSD slot not being enabled have probably hurt them already. Most people wanting an iPad2 will most likely wait it out. Plus the benchmarks that were released are disappointing for the Xoom.

3- The Japan situation being used to their advantage. I have already seen articles on this, about how the Japan disaster is actually causing the current problems. That might be true for long-term sales, but my guess is that the current inventory problems were not caused by the disaster. But, Apple will likely be seen as a company that was affected and thus that's the reason that will stick in people's minds.
[Xoom General] brucewilsonpa:
While I understand where you're coming from on this, I think you're really stretching the point -- to see all the negative press aimed at the Xoom and Google for "being unfinished" I can't help but think at least some of the points would apply to Apple's first ipad.
[Xoom General] brucewilsonpa:
Not surprising is it -- the fanboys cannot stand the Xoom because they fear it might just represent a serious challenge to their beloved ipad, whether now or thru a refresh, or another Honeycomb tablet -- they're smarting over the loss of the smartphone market to Android. I have both a Xoom and an ipad 2 (had to compare for myself) -- IMHO most of the pro-ipad hype is just hype, lacking objectivity. Honeycomb is miles ahead of IOS and the Xoom is a well-designed implementation of Android 3.0, just like the article says.
[Xoom General] karnovaran:
Nor do I. But some sales will be lost simply from the impossibility of impulse buying.
[Xoom General] brucewilsonpa:
Gee -- I guess you're saying that Apple "rushed to market"..... but the fanboys continue to beatup on Google and Motorola.
[Xoom General] brucewilsonpa:
Business 101 says you don't sell what you don't have ready to deliver -- Apple succeeds in spite of their poor mgt. (and there were rumors of severe shortages in components BEFORE ipad 2 got introduced) because they enjoy the benefit of a cult of fanboy defenders who seem unable to view their beloved supplier objectively.
[Xoom General] brucewilsonpa:
But why do folks like you who, repeatedly stating you're an Android fan, find it necessary to defend the ipad so much? This forum is really about development and technology, not intended for debating (and I know I'm guilty of that in this case). I wish all those who either aren't interested in the Xoom (this forum) or prefer their ipad would just stick to the excellent ipad forums. Apple will sell a "ton" of ipad 2 -- the various mfr. will sell a lot of Honeycomb tablets -- most of us will never fully agree which is "best". So why debate?
[Xoom General] pecosROB:
This is the EXACT reason why in December 2006/January 2007 I bought an Xbox 360. I was tired of waiting two months for a Wii. And it was the best decision I made in terms of gaming, EVER. I now am under the mindset that Nintendo designs games for children/family, not 18-40 year olds.

I totally agree. Cars have WAYYYYY more options and combinations of options than a phone or tablet. Not even a close comparison. In fact frenzy should feel silly for even mentioning this example.

Edit: thank you brucewilsonpa for stating exactly what I was about to - why are we even debating this? Either make a specific thread or go to another forum. I know the iPad 2 and Xoom are great devices/toys. And no I do not care if you or anyone disagrees with me here.
[Xoom General] muyoso:
Yea, I remember all of the criticism Microsoft got when they released the Xbox360, Sony got when they released the PS3, Nintendo got when they released the Wii and all were sold out for various amounts of times. Can you name me a launch of ANY product that sells as fast as the iPad that didn't sell out for any amount of time??

What are you talking about? You sound foolish.
[Xoom General] roebeet:
And you sound like an iFanboy. Are you a shill? Do you work for them or have large amounts of stock to protect? Millions in days? How about the last Harry Potter book -- 11 million in 24 hours. Yes, a book is not an iPad but you wanted an example and I gave you one. Now THAT was a publisher that understood the market that they were in.

Want more? How about the iPad1 itself - 500,000 in its first week, 1 million in a month. And that was a v1 with NO market history. Do not tell me that Apple had no idea that they would sell a million of these things in a matter of days because THAT is complete foolishness. I said this before - I'm not critical that they sold out - I'm critical that they are now backlogged for 5 weeks. Even the Wii was not that bad, and I remember how bad that was because I was looking for one when everyone else was. They were in short supply but you could find one if you looked hard enough. You could find Jimmy Hoffa faster than an iPad2, right now.

You and I obviously do not agree. I feel that they messed up, you feel that they should get a pass. So be it, then - your arguments so far have not changed my position in the slightest.
[Xoom General] frenzy757:
ugg...why dont you read what I was referring to....the person I was referring to was saying that people get on Ford if they don't have a FULL inventory...he said it is shameful that apple can't keep manufacturing up with demands...read it before you comment on more than what I said buddy.
[Xoom General] SiL3nTKiLL:
Xoom is pretty awesome for the price
[Xoom General] pecosROB:
You seriously going to sit here and type that as a defense? You should have told him it was a bad comparison to begin with. Instead you extrapolate on his already bad comparison. And don't assume I didn't read everything you posted. Didn't your mom teach you that assuming makes an ass out of u and me? :-)
[Xoom General] muyoso:
The Xoom is simply NOT better. Sorry. Honeycomb may be better than iOS, but the hardware on the Xoom is not better than the iPad2.

Go read the full review that anandtech just posted for the iPad2. Its ridiculously comprehensive and the Xoom is constantly referenced and compared. The Xoom has:

*poorer battery life

*MUCH worse display (very evident in the video comparison)

*Slower overall CPU

*A GPU that looks like its from early 2010, because it is.

*The inability to play main profile h.264 with B frames, LOL.

*RIDICULOUSLY poor battery life while playing video because the CPU has to do most of the work.

You can argue all you want about how much better it is because yes it does have better cameras and yes it has a microsd card slot, but the SoC of the Xoom isn't even in the same league as the SoC of the iPad2. Its like saying, hey my car is better because it comes with GPS and a 100hp engine and costs 30% more compared to your 300hp engine and no GPS car which costs 30% less.

I really recommend you go read the iPad2 review on anandtech. They are not kind to the iPad2 either, but they do marvel at how Apple completely outclasses the competition with hardware. I get that you guys want to defend spending $900 dollars OTD on a piece of hardware that has been completely outclassed, I would too. But the fact of the matter is that the Xoom would have been impressive last fall, but this spring the hardware is laughable.
[Xoom General] roebeet:
Of course the Xoom is better than the iPad2, right now - not for any of the technical reasons you've just stated, but because you can actually buy a Xoom right now. AFAIC, the iPad2 doesn't even exist until it's back in stock.

When the iPad2 can actually be purchased without having to sell my soul or first-born to get one, then I'll compare them. On the flip side, I don't count the microSD as a pro on the Xoom yet because it's not enabled. When they patch that, then it gets a nod.

EDIT: One exception: what I CAN compare is the screen, as it's the same as the iPad1 and my SmartQR10. Imo, the Ipad(2) wins, even with the lower resolution. The Xoom screen is very good, but IPS is better - better viewing angles and, with reading graphics, the color balance is more realistic.

I can see the yellowing of the pages on IPS, which is a good thing. The Xoom, like other TFT screens, has a bit of a bluish tint that reminds you that you are actually viewing an LCD screen.
[Xoom General] frenzy757:
Well I actually like explaining why I think someone made a bad comparison instead of just telling them. You are the one assuming that if I simply said "bad comparison" that he would get it.

Maybe it was a bad comparison yea, but I was trying to explain my opinion on a forum. Gotta love forums...
[Xoom General] HorsexD:
Im Pretty Confident when I say that the Tegra 2 Is Faster than people Think it is. I think Nvidia Just needs to tweak some things around and this Chip will XOOM. ITs just a Matter of If/WHEN they will actually update it. I Think Tegra isnt showing us its true potential. But thats just what I think.