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[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703507804576130653642369890.html

The antenna has been substantially re-engineered in the new Verizon model, said Kyle Wiens, iFixit's chief executive. He concludes that, while some of the changes were likely needed to be compatible with the CDMA network, others appear to reflect efforts to improve the antenna.

"I don't think that just going to CDMA would have required the degree of changes that we saw," said Mr. Wiens.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ see design improvements. You would expect that from a nearly year new device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
you are grasping at straws. If their weren't problems with the original design, they wouldn't be trying to fix it....
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
I agree with the OP. I loved using WP7 and showing it off to mates, but there were so many times I wanted to c+p something into an email and I couldn't - that was functionality I had with my dumbphone three years ago. When I started reading about update delays, I bailed and have gone back to Android.

It might not be as pretty, but it gets the job done a loooot faster. Having to lock the phone, do something, come back and wait for the app to resume kinda makes a mockery of the entire advertising campaign I bought into: "the phone to save us from our phones" left me standing there staring at it frustratedly twice as long as its competitors.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ms79723:
I actually cant wait til i get my hands on a wp7 phone. im done with android. sick of all these roms and crap. I just want something reliable. I dont want to have to root my phone just so it can get me through the day. Thats ridiculous. And since im on sprint thats a double whammy. I have both of their high end android phones (evo, epic) and both are meh.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TomFrom:
Want to swap either phone for a HD7? lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
doesn't work on sprint...

Otherwise he probably would. I know I would if I had them available.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
No kidding! That Evo is a heck of a lot more phone. The HD7 is smoother and cleaner, but the issues...bugs and freezes and lack of features and such...are such that using it until it is updated against a phone like the Evo just isn't advised.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cyclical:
I went to the Sprint store last night and bit the bullet. I put down $200 on a gift card for 2 Arrives (Wife and I). Figured I would spread the cost of 2 upgrades to 2 different pay cycles so it doesn't hurt so bad to drop $600 on 2 phones right off the bat.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jabtano:
I as well I'm giving it one year.

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Cool, if I could by one HTC HD2 and swap the shells of all three hd2, hd7, and evo. AND run all OS's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enyaj:
I'm wondering. What kinds of bugs and freezes have you experienced? I have my HD7 down to 900+ mb of memory due to the many apps I have installed and have not gotten any freezes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MAGPC:
I think that WP7 is cool, but now it can't be for ordinary users (us), I think that now it is for developers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Market freezes and bugs. Apps not loading till a reboot...they go straight back to the main homescreen. Right now apps aren't downloading or updating. But that part might be a problem with the server for the market.

Phone screwing up when making a call. Slow performance on some systems. Like the phone app initiating slowly and acting like it wants to crash. It reminds me of PalmOS a little bit. Acting like it's unstable every once in a while.

But the main issues are related to the market app. By the way, I've had the system crash on rare occasions.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cyclical:
Aren't marketplace crashing and bugs fixed with the NoDo update that will be out very shortly?
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
Wasn't the NoDo update originally scheduled - and hinted at by MS executives - for January?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Supposedly. But I forgot about another bug that is very annoying, the dead volume issue. The sound goes out and only a reboot will bring it back.

If the first update gets here, it will supposedly fix all these bugs...that is if MS is aware of them all. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gamefrick:
That's exactly why I can't just throw WP7 under the bus now. They need time to show themselves too, its just only 5months thereabout and people are ready to crucify the OS. C'mon!
[Windows Phone 7 General] gamefrick:
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
I'm really not surprised that you may have experienced bugs that one other user in the entire world may have reported at some time. It wouldn't catch me by surprise if you went through every thread to find bugs others have produced to say you've experienced them, that's how your approach to this OS has been. You, along with a couple others I refuse to name, spend your days going through multiple threads doing just what you've done in here... I'm surprised you aren't saying your contacts duplicated too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Wow! Jeeez...your wife kick you in the butt this morning or your boss chew you out?
[Windows Phone 7 General] jason.hamilton:
I too regret buying into the samsung focus. It is a beautiful phone and i see that it does have potential. But because of the lacking of basic features and what seems like microsofts very slow progression forward in terms of updates, ive switched over to my bb torch. The UI, while different, is so impersonal. There is no variation from one wp7 to the next. The metro theme going on is brilliant inside the OS, but i think the home page could use some more customization. Lacking of copy/paste, multitasking/ fast app switching this late in the game is pathetic. I might revisit the phone in a year or so when it has had time to develop. im not posting this to spread hate on wp7, but to express my opinion on the mater so please dont bash me.

P.S. one last thought, isnt it funny how the iphone4 has a fully working wp7 theme that has multitasking and copy/paste? Kind of a slap to the face that developers can put wp7 on an iphone (even though its mainly just the UI) faster then microsoft can update their own OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
NO. Metro on the iphone is like putting lipstick on a pig. Where are the hubs that eliminate the need to navigate to multiple apps? where are the live tiles that actually push new content to the screen like Flickr weather.com etc? There'd be no zune experience which is far superior to the iphone music player and 3rd party apps would be lacking the metro design!

Quote from USA Today
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Was intrigued by the Amazon app and turned my HD7 on to go to the market and install it to see. I saw I have to reboot first because the market won't load.

Hmmm...clever. Not talking about the live tile. The Amazon tile is the typical unlive variety we all see on WP7 these days. But to swipe left to right, you have to open the app to see the content rather than see content on the tile.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
To be fair to WP7, I just had the sound issue with my iPhone 4. I was playing a simple game and received a call. When I hung up, the sound was no more. I had to reboot to get the sound back.

It seems WP7 has more things in common with iOS than the closed system. But I don't know if the dead volume on my iPhone 4 was a system-wide thing or just in that game because I didn't bother to check.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
FWIW, I've never encountered this "dead volume" thing. I have an HTC Mozart.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Winters75:
I ll take it off your hands if you are willing to sell it cheap!
[Windows Phone 7 General] jason.hamilton:
I did like the Zune player and the facebook picture integration. I will miss that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
So the Amazon tile is supposed to read your mind and display the item you're looking for?
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
They're saving that for Windows Phone 8, but not at launch--you'll have to wait for the "Pineapple" update :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
I completely agree with you, and that's really my point: being an early adopter was a *mistake*, because by the time the software really is ready for prime time, it'll be a new year with a new wave of hardware, all of it superior to what I just wasted my money on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Wow! That would be cool! Looks like another innovation for Apple to work on for a future iPhone.

But as for the live tile in WP7, I would prefer they at least scrolled content. Doesn't have to be anything we are looking for, just a list of favorites or what each person normally browses for.

Exactly like I feel.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Why would you care whether it's ready for some mysterious prime time or not? And what does it even mean? If it's not ready for you then don't buy it. If you bought it and don't like it switch to something else if you can take the other options with more comfort.

What I don't get is what are you missing so sorely from NoDo? And if you have been waiting for it for all these months why not wait another week or two?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ nodo isn't the problem.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
agreed, I've had to do 2 soft resets due to phone error in over 4 months and a couple due to the marketplace bug. That is it.

Most xda's are not ordinary users. Just like most iphone users are not xdaers. You are the exception, not the rule, which is why winmo failed.

It amazes me that 1 person has had so many problems with the same phone I've had only minimal problems with.

How many times has it been replaced???

It was ready in december but had to go through carrier testing. I do think MS needs to kick the carriers in the butt and get the updates to us sooner, or stop announcing them until they are ready (aka Apple style).

agreed.

maybe he's just read your last 500 posts bashing wp7, here and on other forums?

wow, if you find a BB better to use than wp7, you are unique indeed. And just because someone copies a UI, doesn't make it the same. We had a metro UI on the hd2 for months before wp7 came out.

Kinda confused on what you expect from an amazon live tile? I'd rather not have it if its not useful (like weather, number of emails, contacts with facebook updates)

I wonder how much a scrolling live tile would effect battery life and performance. I don't think that would be a good thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
You should feel fortunate. All of the issues I listed are real and true. But then again, you're an irrational MS fanboy...probably Gates' kid...and wouldn't recognize a WP7 issue if your phone killed over.

It amazes me how irrational you are. Criticize anything and it's "bashing". You may see it as bashing, but your a people basher.

So MS screwed us all when they designed WP7 around live tiles? Figures. First they screw us on updates, now they might be screwing us all on live tiles.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
1. Not a fanboi, just tired of all the irrational criticism and screaming for such minor things as copy/paste

2. I'm the irrational one? Ummm, do we need to quote your last 500 posts? About 98% of them are critical to wp7, oh yeah, and 1 positive one about nrgz's rom for the hd2. Did I miss any??? ;)

3. I didn't say that, but scrolling live tiles would be apps more than notifications, probably requiring constant cpu and battery. But once again, you take a statement and blow it way out of proportion of what was meant.

If you are tired of people criticizing you for your complaints of wp7, stop bashing it in every thread on this board.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Hmmm...you see criticism as a bad thing. You must be a young-un, not having any real life experience. And I don't type in caps...where's the screaming coming from? Your imagination? Like everything else.

By the way, tell the guy holding the gun to your head making you read my posts to go away.

Again...criticism is not a bad thing. We all don't live in the fairy tale world you seem to live in.

Yes, you did say it. There's no point to WP7 without fancy live tiles.

Stop bashing me and maybe I might just stop doing what you do. Try to F me and I will get even. Learn to live with ppl. There's no need for you to put ppl down or attack them, no matter what they say. Be a stand up man and do what's right for a change. Expect ppl to react the way you don't want when you mistreat them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
@ MartyLK

I agree with what you've said. I think MS is stringing us along just buying time with WP7, until Windows 8 is out with its ARM support. In my opinion if WP7 was important to them, & had a long future, they would make sure updates would have gone out sooner. Windows Mobile is all but dead but WP7 still doesn't have anything close to its feature set this long after launch?

If C&P is such a minor feature then it should be easy to release successfully. If MS can't for whatever reason get out easy updates why do people think it will be better with bigger ones LOL.

The truth about the commitment MS has for WP7 will be revealed by how long it takes them to release the update after NoDo. I for one will be bracing for disappointment but won't be surprised by anything MS does.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
wow, internet tough guy!!! Don't worry, you have re-earned your spot on my ignore list.

You really should listen to the wp7 radio podcasts. They are good at explaining why things are going the way they are and the strategy for wp7. Yes it's a little disappointing that nodo isn't out yet, but I'd rather them do it right, then rush it and screw it up.

I don't think they would be showing off the mango update if they weren't serious about sticking to wp7. wp8 will only be an upgrade and our phones will get it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
Why would I care? Pretty simple: because if I put down my money to buy a smartphone in 2010, on the border of 2011, it should have ALL the features that even dumbphones have had since 2004. Even Apple, who was notoriously slow at adding things like C&P and multitasking, added it, finally, in 2009. Microsoft KNEW those were major complaints against the iPhone in 2007--they had THREE YEARS to build those very small, minor features in time for launch. There is, briefly, NO excuse why WP7 shipped without those features. None whatsoever.

I'm fine to wait "a couple more weeks," as I said at the start. I'm giving them until the end of March--which is a couple more weeks adding up to 5 months waiting for SOME of the features that SHOULD have been there on day one.

Empty app store was expected, being brand new, and I'm very happy with how it's filling out. But Microsoft tripped over its own **** by failing to deliver *basic* features, and that's what you need to understand. It's not advanced features we're missing--it's the BASICS.

I'll put it very simply: without ALL the features even dumbphones have had for years (and YEARS!) Windows Phone 7 simply shouldn't have been shipped at all. Microsoft jumped the gun and shipped a product that wasn't ready for public consumption, and they did so without even having a solidly vetted, carrier agnostic update mechanism in place.

I thought I was pretty clear at the outset, but maybe not: I LOVE the WP7 UI. It's hands down the best in the industry, bar none. It makes Android and iOS look like cheap antiques. But even with all that UI polish, losing features we've enjoyed for YEARS is simply ridiculous.

Microsoft dropped the ball. WP7 was NOT ready to ship, and they shipped it anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
Gotta disagree with you. They advertised this as a social/entertainment phone, while winmo legacy 6.5 would contiue to be their enteprise/business choice for at least the next year.

They had to get something out there, winmo was bleeding users badly to android and IOS. I think they had to choose between a business model and a fun model, saw how well IOS was received even while being limited (but with great UI and easy to use concept) and decided to focus on the fun side of the equation first because that is what they felt would sell better in the beginning.

So there is no copy/paste. I never realised it was that big of a deal considering I hardly ever used it. I'm not trying to deny the fact it should be there, but all these threads about such a trivial feature has been mind blowing.

Now if it hadn't come with a music player....
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Pretty much spot on here. My whole quarrel isn't with them not having all of these trivial features. It's with them not adhering to their own schedule. I will gladly wait but I'd just like to be more informed as a consumer and an investor.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That wasn't directed at you. It was an explanation of things that happen. If someone pisses you off, you gonna just sit back and take it, or are you going to get busy? If someone causes you to branded something you aren't, what would you do? I know what I do, I find a way to extract payment for the injustice. And I did...take a look at my profile and you'll see why. And before you dare judge me, be certain you don't mind the same treatment.

I'm a very fair person. I live and let live. If you insult me, I insult you, though. I will never initiate it. But I will follow through with it. Learn to look at others through their eyes. Consider how you would feel if the words you are about to utter are spoken to you.

I hate having to give lessons on life like this, but apparently I can't get away from it because the world tends to be self absorbed rather than empathetic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Likely for a cost. You can't upgrade you PC Windows OS without a cost. You do receive updates and fixes without cost, but I doubt MS would ever give away their new OSes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
What is the problem then? Somebody bought a phone missing features critically important to him, hoping that it'll change in a matter of weeks? That's a problem, I agree. Microsoft isn't following rumored schedules? Well, it would be nice if they did, but I don't see a tragedy in the fact that they don't. All companies miss deadlines, especially when delivering something depends on so many parties involved. So, what is this problem everybody here is so emotional about?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
winmo 5 to winmo 6 was free....
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I keep telling myself not to bother saying the obvious but I keep getting suckered into it.

The really is nothing more foolish than an early adopter that complains about the item not being on the same level as the mature products on the market. And expect the item to close the gap quickly or immediately.

I have news for you: Expect to wait another 5 months for another update. So if this is a problem you should get rid of your windows phone now. But I suspect we will be reading a bunch of posts in May and June of this same nature.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rhory:
Perhaps the simple answer is that WP7 has been misnamed, and really isn't a smart phone as such.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
It didn't have to go thru carrier testing. I'm not saying it hasn't, but it didn't have to. Lots of networks do no testing at all - some because they don't provide handsets, some because they don't provide branded ones and some because they just don't give a toss. In any case, if certain carriers demanded the update go thru testing that does not explain why MS didn't push it out to those of us with fully unbranded devices straight away. Doing this would very quickly force the controlling networks to re-think their strategy due to customer complaints.

Why would it affect battery life at all? Animated live tiles already exist for native apps - we third party developers just can't use them. Dynamically building an animated image server-side and sending this to your phone as part of the standard live tile notification would have no effect on battery life.

While I agree it should have all these features from the outset, it was well documented that it didn't - if you still went ahead and purchased the product after knowing this (or by not researching the purchase) you have no-one to blame but yourself.

There actually is an excuse why it shipped without certain features - time constraints. Microsoft had to get something out the door. Many of the highly requested features were on the roadmap all along but were cut, close to release, as they weren't polished enough to make it. The OS itself is a very polished product, so releasing it with broken implementations would drag down the overall UX.

If they hadn't shipped when they did, we'd not be having this discussion now. Heck, we wouldn't even have this discussion later in the year or even next year because the mobile market would be all but dead for MS.

The problem is that updates, or rather, bugfixes are not being rolled out to devices for no apparent good reason. Carrier testing is a smoke screen. OEM testing on the other hand is plausible, but only for updates/fixes that affect low level handling on the devices. As long as we are talking general OS issues/features there is no need for OEM testing either as the platform requires very similar hardware. Hell, it's even Microsoft who has provided all drivers for all hardware out there - if a certain device fails it's because the OEM has done something wrong.

The January update has been sitting completed on Microsoft's servers since ... wait for it ... January. Just look at the build numbers of current retail devices coming pre-loaded with NoDo and compare those with the build numbers released with the dev-tools update in early February or updates being sent out to developer handsets in December/January. There is, IMNSHO, no good reason why this hasn't yet been pushed out to customers.

One can only hope development has continued internally since January and they are close to RTMing a second update with actual bugfixes in place (such as the marketplace trial update bug for example - which is rumored to come after NoDo).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Who cares what it's called? It won't change a bit if you call it dumb.

@emigrating, no apparent reason doesn't equal no reason at all. That carriers do influence the process is pretty clear as some don't let the "pre-update" get through untill you unbrand your phone.

I have no idea what they might be "testing". But they do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
I did say that some networks perform no testing what so ever. My point is still valid though; there is no reason the update was not pushed to unbranded customers (as well as customers of non-testing carriers) as early as January.

Let's take any pharmaceutical drug as an example, this would go thru rigorous testing by lots of local health agencies - that doesn't mean however that the drug in question is held back in region A just because region B or C has not yet completed testing or found possible side effects.

Their [Microsoft] statement that this is something the whole industry has to deal with is quite simply wrong - or worse, a straight out lie in order to blow smoke up our asses.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
So your position is Microsoft is holding back the update because they know you want it and feel like screwing with you? You've done a lot of whining and hinting around at what you think the problem is, why don't you come out and post it? According to emigrating the update has been delayed because.....
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Okay, Mr. Antagonist, I will bite. Why is WP7 not a smart phone as such? Is Symbian smart? WebOS? WinMo? BB OS?

It is one thing to not like something, but that is why no one takes you seriously. But I am sure you know that and do not care. Maybe you were picked on in high school and take pleasure in attempting to irritate people? The time we waste instead of making the world a better place. :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone