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[Atrix 4G General] CyberPunk7t9:
I don't understand why almost all "Atrix vs. iphone/android vs. iOS" speak only or mainly of points that are already handed to Apple. I'm sure that other Atrix users here like me, Bought the Atrix knowing in advanced it's does not win over iphones in all categories.

I'm thank the OP for his review but an example of I'm saying about those reviews is like the highlight on "updating all apps at once". I wonder how could this feature be more important compared how each OS handles installing the apps!!

I'm new to Android and it was a little blast I had when I found out how you install apps! click this, install that, back, click this, install, check download progress in notification bar, go back for more apps, they download and install while your still surfing the friggin' market!!

In iOS if you chose to install an app it exits itself to the home screen and you need to go find where you re-launch the store app!!

Now how can that not be spoken of when "updating all apps at once" is suddenly an edge over the other OS?
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
You're obviously not very tech-ish at all. You cannot say an OS is in beta because it lacks features you think should be in it. Your points are moot. So did you consider iOS 2, 3, and 4 to be betas as well?

And to your response to number 11, what?

I can tolerate people just fine. It's when you start rambling in broken English that I can't stand. It just starts looking like some sort of spam e-mail, and hard to read.
[Atrix 4G General] Papi4baby:
I agree with most of what you said squarejp.

Sad to see most people here will down the iP4 just because it is apple.

If they would actually get to use the phone for more than a day, im sure more would see what you mean.

P.S. I have both and iphone and a incredible running 2.2.

Dont kid yourself guys, IOS is much more refined than android.
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
I'm knocking the Apple phone because I used 3 different versions of the iPhone. As well as own the ipad. Your opinions on what's refined or not =\= everyone elses
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
This is not about opinion or truth, the fact of the matter is this is an Android forum and there really is no place for trolls to be promoting iOS. Of course it's more refined, first it had a 2 year head start and it was started by a company that has had decades of experience in software development. If you really want to have a fair comparison, try comparing iOS 2.x with Android 2.x.
[Atrix 4G General] tibere86:
Thank you.
[Atrix 4G General] tomit12:
Actually, models available doesn't make 1 lick of difference. They both have models available across similar price ranges.

The thing that would actually make a difference is number of available carriers... though even then, being on Verizon too hasn't helped much.
[Atrix 4G General] tdo700:
Been using ios for a while now. After my first android phone (galaxy s i9000) and now the atrix. I would never go back. I prefer android over ios.
[Atrix 4G General] squassss:
I've used every iPhone since the first and had the IP4 since launch. I still have it. However that being said to say it is more "refined" is strictly opinion. If it is more refined then why after over 4 years of being out does the iphone still lack options that come standard on other phones? The iPhone offers no real customization and is governed by a company who spoon feeds users what they deem appropriate. Having an iPhone of any kind is like dating a really hot Amish girl. Sure she looks great but you'll never get to see what she can really do unless you break the rules.
[Atrix 4G General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
you have to think out of the box. this being an android forum doesnt mean people cant love other operating systems.

i love the IOS, i love the Android. i can say whatever negative and positives on both.

the fact you see people compaining about ios or andriod doesnt mean they hate it.

dont you think if this user who complained about VALID issues he had with andriod, would be happy if these were fixed ?

google/apple are not idiots. they have marketing team, they read these forums. and its good to show them where it lacks.

which is why personally i think the Andriod is evolving more than IOS yearly. people complain about X and Y. google try to fix it. Apple are lil arrogant in this regard

trolling is a fanboy who comes here and have never owned an andriod phone. and just diss it because he like his symbian / ios / whatever

an Ex andriod user complaining about stuff he suffered / didnt like. is not a trolling. its personal feedback. whatever positive or negative.

does that mean i agree with everything he said ? No

Does that mean i care about his Asian language problem ? No

Do i have to respect what he think and not mock his english ? Yes

this is an international forum. people all over the world come here. if you have a problem being racist and dislike another nationalities, then please dont come here as we dont need the likes of you " not saying you are racist. i am talking in general "

my Egnlish isnt my first language either. yet i know 4 languages. i am not allowed to post here ?
[Atrix 4G General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
4 reasons why i am keeping my iphone still " mind you i bought an atrix and returned it to due hardware problem. "

1- Games. i play lots of games. the andriod is lacking in this department. good thing there are emulators. which is ok.

2- skype video call. we talk video calls almost daily. and i dont have the power in me to turn on the laptop and do a video call over the laptop and not move my ass for at least an hour per day. then calling family etc.

3- browser. i do understand that there is flash player for andriod and none for Ios. but god damn the iphone is so smooth even when you zoom in and out. even with the atrix is not that smooth " the XOOM is very smooth. i dont know why the stupid atrix isnt "

4- screen. since i browse alot, means i read alot. the iphone 4 screen is simply a better screen to read. sure its stupid small. but its easier to read than any other phone screen.

however when it comes to XOOM. i thought the screen looked better. browsing is better than iPad 1

see, i am not a fanboy for one OS over the other. its just every user has different needs.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
First of all, I don't appreciate that you feel the need to preach about racism while quoting my comment. If it is "in general", as you say, then comment about that without quoting someone.

And about the OS comparison. It's been done and done. Apple had over a decade to build up features like the iPod and iTunes, which was a huge factor in it's initial success. Also, the iPhone did not have any real competition when launched. Windows Mobile was slowly dying and Palm and Nokia weren't even trying. The growth of Android in spite of the iPhone says a lot. And like I said before, if we want to have a fair comparison, lets look at it on a developmental level (eg. 2.x vs. 2.x). Maybe in 5 to 10 years we can just hold them up side by side and compare.
[Atrix 4G General] ChumleyEX:
What are you talking about? Mine has been jailbroken for a couple of years and mine wasn't highly unstable..
[Atrix 4G General] luckylui:
All i can say is EVO 4G. Vs. Iphone 4= EVO 4G! 8)
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
Lol I have to agree with you but isn't that's the" Magic" about how Apple has been so successful lately?
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
Good for you but I am a very heavy user where I always able to crash the system from normal use. One day the screen would just go all white and can't reboot unless a complete restore.

If you simply install some jb apps and themes you might be okay to last couple years. While I was using high resource apps that definitely crashed the iPhone to an unbootable stage.
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
LOL Don't you understand what's being exgerated? Beta to me means full of design flaws and bugs that have to be fixed which cause user frustrations. Do you want me to even bash Android as "prototype" products like the Honeycomb? Calling it beta is already generous. :P. I was saying similar things when iphone 3G came out in 2008. I had White Screen of Death every other day! I did call iPhone OS 2.0 a beta stage coz it's extremely unstable that I totally couldn't rely on it and needed a backup phone. That's when I started to use Symbian OS and realized Apple's vision was to revolutionized the flaws of its predecessors. It's just that Apple needed time to refine their visions to debug the OS. I still remembered I was so relieved when the fix came out. 3GS so far has provided the best experience of not being a prototype or beta product. I like it more than iPhone 4 even sacrificing the CPU, front facing camera, ips retina screen and gyroscope.

I also had Apple store exchange more than 6 iphone 3G and 3 3GS and finally couldn't stand iphone 4 and retured it for good due to bluetooth call quality issues.
[Atrix 4G General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
i was quoting you because i was responding to you. only the racism was part wasnt for u and i made it clear. dont be a cry baby

also. regarding apple vs google. and how apple had over a decade. correct me if i am wrong but wasnt the first iphone in 2007. while andriod g1 2008 ?

is that your "decade" ?
[Atrix 4G General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
while i agree with some of what you said about ios vs android. i will not agree with you about andriod being beta.

to me the andriod is siperior in many ways more than ios. and vice versa. its just different needs for different people
[Atrix 4G General] squassss:
Apple is successful because of marketing. If you don't believe me then look at the fanboys lining up around the block to buy the iPad2 which is such a minimal upgrade it's not even funny. iPad, Ipod, and iPhone... .they are not just products they are status symbols. Don't get me wrong the product is solid but that's because apple doesn't push the envelope with development... they just streamline already existing ideas. They have been doing this since the ipod. The ipod was not the first mp3 player and when it launched it wasn't the best either. Companies like Archos had products on the shelves over a year before apple.

Thing is now. Apple tells their fanboys what to buy and they do it. I say this being a former borderline fanboy myself.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Oh, the ignorance that must be dealt with to be part of the internet. I'm sorry that you are illiterate, I truly am. If you want to respond to me, that's fine, nothing wrong with constructive dialog and there is absolutely nothing wrong with conflicting ideas as long as they are handled appropriately, but to generalize a comment under the reference of something that is irrelevant just doesn't make any sense. And the "decade" was referring to the development of multimedia features, like I said already, was a major element in the original iPhone. iOS 1.x was crap, as well as iOS 2.x. iOS 3.x was better and iOS 4.x is more polished, and the same could be said of Android, but the differences in comparing the two do not hold substantiating precedence in the screen resolution or call quality as those could be chalked up to manufacturer or carrier restrictions. I made observations of misinterpreted information and you Apple fanboys have to turn it into a pissing contest. So with that, I will leave this thread, it makes no sense to sit here and see who can shout louder/longer.
[Atrix 4G General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
1- in what language do you understand when i said its in " general" and " not you " ??????? i already told you to stop crying about it and bring it up. god damn

2- its funny how you mention words like " fanboys " " illiterate" and " ignorance " when you are the biggest of them all 3.

its funny how you mention nothing wrong with constuctive debate or argument. yet you call people fanboys because their express their THOUGHTS on whatever IOS Vs Andriod. you are taking it personal its hurting you from the inside ???

are you calling me a fanboy you idiot ? go check my post history before you pull things from your @$$.

i am done with you

have the last quote or comment to make you sleep better at night.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Alright, listen, I didn't join XDA to get into arguments so on that I want to apologize. You are right, we are allowed our opinions and no one has the right to say otherwise. I apologize to anyone for generalizing them under any labels such as "fanboy" or anything else of that nature. I apologize to you for the name calling, you are obviously not illiterate. Again, I am sorry if I offended you and anyone else for that matter.
[Atrix 4G General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
and i am sorry if you got the idea i was going against you. i wasnt at all. and all in all i think your points were valid as well.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
As was yours. I guess I just felt that there was some "promoting" going on but maybe I was wrong. In all honesty, I appreciate the standards Apple has established for smartphones, it pushes the industry to innovate and in the end, competition is what drives the market. I commend you for your understanding despite the route the conversation had taken. I hope that any future communication between you and me will be in the form of cooperation and support instead of what has occurred.
[Atrix 4G General] GSMinCT:
Oh god, another iPhone vs. Android thread.

anupash, you touched on the notifications which are key for me.

Another key is syncing, which is a huge advantage for Android, since so much data now resides in Google-land, like Gmail, Calendar, Search, Maps, Voice, etc, and this all integrates appropriately with Android.

I love Android, and it just works better than iOS. That being said, I have the option of adding a gazillion apps on my iPod, so I'm kind of hedging my bet.
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
I really have to say iPhone has more productivity applications than Android in daily basis as of now. I figure I can conduct business almost entirely over the the iOS environment.

My current active mobile phones are iPhone, Samsung Focus, Captivate, and Atrix.

I have to be honest with you, I have a hard time migrating from iPhone to Android completely. My first concern is how to backup and restore apps easily. Turns out that Titanium Backup is the best recommended solution which I find it powerful yet dangerous and still requires lots of management.

You mentioned about better data backup over Android than iOS. iPhone does cloud backup for contacts, email, calendar in addition to computer image backup.

For Android are there any alternative ways to backup apps data beside Titanium Backup? I know it is very powerful but it is also very dangerous while I was using it I corrupted the Bluetooth function and I had to flash the ROM of my captivate again.

The person who sold me his Captivate told me the main reason he went back to iPhone 4 was about Android lacking a good backup/restore function. A phone today is not just a phone but a computer and data backup is essential. I've gone through 9 iPhone exchanges, everyone of them I could restore to exactly what I had with my previous phone with a simple click. I can't find that solution for Android without rooting and using Rom manager and Titanium Backup to restore selective apps.
[Atrix 4G General] FLAC Vest:
Android is halfway tthere concerning the backup feature. You get contact data backed up and synced automatically with a new phone; applications are backed up and installed automatically as well, however the settings inside the application aren't and you have to manually set those again.

Keep in mind that although Android is more open, it has to deal with fragmentation because of this.

As a rresult, there are going to be some smsmall things that Android phones just arebt going to be able to do.
[Atrix 4G General] anupash:
MotoBlur does back up your email accounts and their related credentials - not the emails. Google contacts will only be restored if you re-enter your account on your phone. Gmail doesn't actually go throught MOTOBLUR though it allows you to set up your account during MOTOBLUR setup.

I hope u r aware of Settings->Privacy Settings->Back up my data .

This setting backs your data up in the cloud. It includes what apps you have installed, and some apps' settings (if they are written to take advantage of it) which are restored when you first sign in to a new phone.

More into backing up your phone:

http://www.tested.com/news/complete-guide-to-backing-up-your-android-phone/423/
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
Motorola didn't do a good job allowing people to backup their apps. That's frustrating. Moreover, only purchased apps are being shown in the Marketplace under My Apps. The free apps are no where to be found on the list. That's not great. What about having the Paid and Free category so people can choose what to restore from the two categories to prevent messy restore such as trail versions?
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
Hmm... Thanks.

Sounds like the thing I need the most without Titanium but Google is not ready for app data backup and I don't know how long I have to wait.

I am a new android user by the way. I had my Craptivate and I didn't like it beside the SUPER AMOLED screen. Android running inside that Crap still giving me the impression of broken droid.
[Atrix 4G General] Arsaw:
Android VS IOS

Android and IOS are two OS with completely different concept. No point in comparing these two OS.

IOS : Designed to ensure best experience in term of performing tasks. Usability and effectiveness are the main objectives in IOS. Best for those who just want to use their phone for normal usage like making call, sms/mms/email, taking pictures/video, playing some games, ebook, and others basic daily stuffs. No

customization and all the fancy stuffs to make big changes on how IOS looks or how the function should works the way you want it. IOS is telling you how

is a smartphone should works for you. The phone is all about Apple, not you.

Android: Designed to goes against IOS. End users have the freedom to change/customize their phone to their likes. Best for those who wish to spend time customizing or altering their phone to its limit to enjoy all the possibilities a smartphone could offered. Usability and effectiveness are important in Android but not its main objectives. Android is telling you that there are a lot of stuffs you can do with your smartphone. The phone is all about you, not Android or anything else.

:D I love Android....
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
But why only people are lining up for Apple products at launch and not for Androids?

Interesting if Apple's way is not everybody ways but sure it is most people's way.

I use all devices together so I get the best from each.
[Atrix 4G General] humjaba:
Because people will line up to buy anything with an Apple logo on it?

Honestly unless Apple makes an iPhone that works without iTunes I'm never even going to consider going back. What a bloated waste of space.
[Atrix 4G General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
total commander " which is very fast because it uses the cable to transfer" and winCP says hi since 2008.

however, you have to jailbreak your phone for it. which i dont you have problem with since you dont have a problem with hacking your hardware for custom roms.

with that being said. Itune is a B**h. i hate it. everything is slow in it. i have an I7 laptop with 260GTX alienware and its still slow as turtle.

the andriod way is much better, plug it and transfer. this is how its supposed to be. period.
[Atrix 4G General] shanghei:
iphone is great for the common person, everyone who I try to convince that anroid is better all fall back to iphone.

I have friend on tmobile with 5.99 tzone and I got them the hd2 with android on there and they had phone for week and got angry with it and threw it on ground and broke. They prefer iphone with EDGE which is stupid.

I also tried tried to convince someone the lg optimus V for 25$ a month is better then iphone with prepaid tmobile and WIFI, and the second the person looked at it they said "this isnt an iphone, i hate it"

lol
[Atrix 4G General] FLAC Vest:
Atrackdog

Appbak

These are programs that let you save these aapplications (links) to be redownloaded over the market. Works for any phone.

Great for saving all of those free applications.
[Nexus S General] CB620:
I seen the port over in the G2 forum. When I get home ill post the link. From what I saw it looks kind of neat. Do you think it should make its way over to the Nexus forum? Another rom wont hurt. :D
[HD2 Accessories] kain144000:
I've been lookin' all over for a case that's flush with the screen, but to no avail. I've searched Google, xda, etc. Apparently, the Case-Mate Barely There Case is, but it scratches the TMOUS HD2 & may interfere w/ GPS reception (at least the Silver one, which OF COURSE just haaaaaad to b the 1 that I'd actually wanted >:| ). I've been lookin' @ the OtterBox Commuter, but can't tell from pics whether or not it's flush. So, what's recommended?
[HD2 Accessories] mattfmartin:
Theta b.s. I have that case on my tmo hd2. No scratches,gos works fine.

Sent from my HTC HD2
[HD2 Accessories] kain144000:
Thanks. That was aaall that I needed 2 hear. :)
[HD2 Accessories] whateric:
i tried this case and it did scratch my phone.. lawl...
[HD2 Accessories] DarkScorpion01:
Do you have the case? In this thread, you said you think you might get it, implying you don't actually have it.
[HD2 Accessories] apallohadas:
It scratches so fast that it travels through time!!!
[HD2 Accessories] jwgizmo:
EVO Case fits perfect

HTC EVO 4G

4.8" x 2.6" x 0.5"

(122 x 66 x 12.7 mm)

T-MO HTC HD2

4.8" x 2.64" x 0.43"

(122 x 67 x 11 mm)

Look at size comparison of the two phones. I ordered the Seidio case below and it fits perfect.

The Sprint store has the horizontal leather case with magnetic closure, that fits too.

GO to seidioonline and search for Product Code: HLHEV4AS

If you order this holster make sure it reads Spring-Clip Holster for use with non-cased device.

Got mine today... Love it.

I cant post pictures being a Jr. Member

Let me know what you think?

Hit that thanks meter if you like it
[HD2 Accessories] jwgizmo:
Otterbox case is too thick, read my post above
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deaconzero:
Edit: Still not fixed. Any help would be appreciated.

Hi all. I'm currently using MIUI and want to swith to CM7 for 2.3 and 4G. I've been on the Cyanogen forums but to no avail. I have so far tried the following...

1. Flash from MIUI to CM7 #8 through rommanager with wipe.

2. Flash from MIUI to CM7 nightly 8, 12, 17 through Clockwork with full data and cache wipe.

3. Flash from MIUI to CM6 to CM7 through clockwork w/ full wipe.

4. Flash Amons recovery in rommanager and flash from MIUI to CM7 nightly 17 w/ full wipe.

I am currently at a loss. Please throw any suggestions my way.

- Nick
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snowboarda42:
What exactly are you wiping when you say full wipe?

Try flashing calkulin's format_all.zip, then cyanogenmod, then gapps, all within one recovery session (no rebooting/restarting between flashing each one)

Sent from my hand with XDA Premium installed
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teh roxxorz:
Try a full wipe, cache, dalvik, and data. Then reflash the rom.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deaconzero:
By full wipe I mean data/factory reset, then wipe cache, then dalvik.

Trying Calkulin now. On Cyanogen forum someone suggested a different kernel. I've never flashed only just a kernel. Would I use the same method as flashing other zips?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teh roxxorz:
That's correct, just wipe dalvik and cache before doing so.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deaconzero:
So, I did the calculkin format all however I also did something different this time. I started to notice that it would only boot loop after I did a Titanium batch restore. I would normally restore all apps and system data. This time I only restored apps instead of system data and I can reboot just fine... for now.

Would this cause a problem? Restoring system data from a backup inside MIUI and restoring it in CM?

Edit: Now it's stuck at the white screen. Doing a nandroid backup and going to try some other fun stuff. Yay...