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[Windows Phone 7 General] Bleak Morn:
I don't see it that way. I'm an early adopter because I want some time to get to know the device, explore it's features and such before the masses get their hands on it.

I also enjoy Alpha and Beta testing products of interest to me because in the past when I've done this, I've seen improvements made to the product that started with bugs I've reported.

I guess it just depends on what you want out of the experience. I like to be part of the community that shapes new technology - not someone suckling at some kind of techno-teat all "Me! Me! Me! Boo-hoo where's my update? I'm taking my toys and going home." :D

If, in any part of your life, you're getting "the **** end of the stick, 100% of the time" then you're doing something wrong. Once you figure out what that is, things will go better. :)

Heck, most of the software I run is alpha or beta - if it's not I feel like it's old! :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] rhory:
Beta OS are just that, despite what the uber microites believe, the King in this case MS, definitely has no clothes and very little in the way of useful apps, live with it. My HD7 is in the best place for it just now, its box. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Your app? Which one?

And yes, we can't deny that iPad 2 is sexy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bleak Morn:
Based on what exactly? Anyone who has watched the history of MS has seen them slowly constrict their competitors with relentless product improvement.

We saw it with mobile OS's when WinMo slowly eroded Palm to the point that Palm Inc. started putting WinMo on their own devices - who would have guessed that in 1999 when Pocket PC was just a year old? :)

MS has stormed into the gaming console world in a short amount of time.

Phones/mobile devices are a cool space because so many companies have changed the space in short spans of time. Palm, Handspring, MS, Apple, RIM, Google - they've all had earth-shaking moments that changed the entire industry in the past 20 years.

For those willing to try it, WM7 at least has the design to appeal to the massive segment of the mobile market who's buying a device to support what they want to do instead of what the device can be made to do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bleak Morn:
I can deny it. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
It's thinner than the iPhone 4! And is a gorgeous piece of art. I can't wait to get mine. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] lekki:
It's a sheep magnet that's for damn sure!
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I'll be sure to send 'em your way...if you're into that kind of thing... :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
I'm so glad I didn't go out and buy a WP7 phone, I knew I'd love it for about a week before the lack of features kicked in and I would miss Android and iOS
[Windows Phone 7 General] Crimson Lotus:
I have a T-Mobile Samsung Vibrant, wanna Trade?
[Windows Phone 7 General] TJMJT:
Problem is communication

I am ready to give it up and switch phone O/S's as many are. The largest problem is communication and not the update itself. I have been in the technology business for many years and have dealt with an infinite amount of problems. If I take 2 scenarios with the same problem but in one instance contact the customer daily in a proactive measure the customer is somewhat content and happy. If in scenario 2 I don’t contact this consumer and keep them posted on progress in a proactive measure the consumer is irate. Same scenario with 2 different levels of communication and vastly different results. Microsoft because they don’t have favorable news elects to avoid and provide no communication is irritating the masses. Poor decision for a massive company.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Dude, my cake-loving great aunt Silvia is thinner than an iPhone 4.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
what does that mean?

u know the iPhone 4 is the thinnest smartphone out right?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Can we use her as a smartphone? :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Exactly! If MS would just issue "state of the WP7" progress reports, a lot of nerves would be soothed. But they won't and they know what to expect. If they are a multi-billion dollar company run by half-way intelligent people, they know exactly what to expect by their silence.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 2GStyle:
Has any company in the Smartphone business really done this? and if so was it on purpose or leaked?

If you put the almost mandatory case on it is not longer the thinnest Smartphone out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Just saying, if they want to avoid this, they have to take measures.

And if you put a case on the next most thinnest smartphone out, iPhone 4 becomes the thinnest again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/21/necs-medias-n-04c-is-only-7-7mm-thick-has-android-2-2-nfc-an/
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I was wondering when someone was going to bring that Japan-only smartphone into question. The iPhone 4 is current world-edition thinnest phone. The Medias is the current Japan-only thinnest phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
The Medias is the thinnest smartphone currently available.. :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Are you Japanese? If not, how you gonna get one? If you can't get one, it isn't available is it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] TomFrom:
I agree with jasongw

Think i will go for the Desire HD next month
[Windows Phone 7 General] StevieBallz:
What I believe to be an important part with this Update Fiasco is the question: why is the update delayed? The devices that got it through ROM updates have the same build as the Emulator that was released end of january.

So for whatever reason: the update is not late because Microsoft couldn't finish the software but for other hold ups (first the purported intervention by carriers, next the problems with the test-update).

That is also why in the latest blog post they said that this doesn't influence/slow the development of Mango.

I at least hope that they'll manage to get the update process to run smoothly with/following NoDo and we won't have to worry about this again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
I don't think you have to be Japanese to buy this phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I've never seen one at my AT&T or T-Mobile store. Not even sure a Japanese could get one. Until they hit the states and are readily available at the carrier or at a place like Dell, the iPhone 4 remains the slimmest phone available.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
You dummy, America is not the world
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
So true. We Americans are in a world of our own... :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
Just sold my HTC 7 Trophy to my sister. I also am an early adopter to wp7 but eventually got tired of MS mobile dept with their imho half hearted support for their platform. Got myself an iPhone 4 and although i'm not an Apple lover, i admit that i've had no complaints ever since. MS needs to step it up asap
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bleak Morn:
In terms of turning crap we have laying around into stuff people want to buy, we are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
My opinion on this is that it is better for Microsoft to get the update right, than to get it out quickly.

Having said that, I have given up on WP7 for now. I bought an Inspire 4G last week. I really like WP7 but I will wait for a better device and for Microsoft to get all the features in place. I am confident that Nokia and HTC will do the hardware right on the next go around.

As far as thin, who cares. As long as a device feels comfortable in my hand I am happy. I am amazed at how people focus on some miniscule difference in a measurement as something majorly important. The iPhone 4 screen is too small. Being thinner doesn't fix that for me. The Inspire 4G is also a very thin, aluminum unibody construction. It's thin enough, and it has a 4.3" screen. It feels much better in the hand than the Evo and it has a better screen (SLCD). It is very much like an HD2 with newer internals and a better screen. The HD2 used to be my favorite device from a hardware design standpoint. Obviously, I like things simple but solid.

I really want Microsoft to succeed with WP7. Not because I am a Microsoft fanboy, but because I like having choices and competition will drive innovation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Damn! That's a nice phone! I considered getting one when I got my iPhone. I may collect one just yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bleak Morn:
Are you going to get a job first? ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] EleCtrOx666:
For the moment it is the thinnest smartphone sold everywhere in the wold.

But the Galaxy S 2 is coming out soon :).

And the Xperia Arc is also thinner than the iPhone 4, also coming out soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
Being a beta tester is one thing--you don't pay for it. If I'm laying out my hard-earned *cash*, then I shouldn't be handed a "beta" product that needs to have bug reports submitted and massive updates to add functionality that should have been there all along. That's just ****ty product design.

If you want to be part of the community that truly drives hardware development, go be a hardware engineer and DESIGN the stuff.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
The comma was an accident. I just meant to get my multitasking fix, LOL.

However, I don't see any reason to snag an iPad 2, either, really, at least not until/unless iOS 5 is released, ideally with a UI appropriate to a tablet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
I agree with you that MS strategy is usually pretty solid, although WinMo is not a good example. They made a few significant improvements on the platform and then let it languish for YEARS while their competitors kicked the **** out of them, which is why they're in a distant last place today.

I also wouldn't say they took the games industry "quickly" by any stretch--they launched Xbox 10 years ago, the first one barely eaked out a tie with Gamecube, and then even though they had a year lead, Nintendo *still* kicked their ass with Wii (and let's face it: neither Microsoft nor Sony will ever catch Wii this generation, that horserace is *over*).

I'm not saying WP7 is terrible, I love my device and everything about it. What IS terrible so far is MS's support of the OS in bringing it to feature parity with what the competition has had for YEARS.

Maybe if they took some of that 500 million dollars they're wasting on ****ty commercials and paid a few more programmers they could speed things up a little.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
Now let's be fair: as a matter of design, iPad 2 is DAMN sexy. As a matter of specs, it's "meh". The dual core CPU is nice, but the weak RAM and uber-crap cameras are pathetic. Seriously, 640x480 front cam? REALLY?
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
This shouldn't be a shocker really. Apple loves to do this. This way the iPad 3 will have 1 or 2GB RAM, and higher resolution cameras. And thats most likely it. MAYBE a higher res screen, but it sure won't be a retina display (would be too expensive). Then the iPad 4 will have a magical card reader slot build 'right in!' Honestly the cameras should have been on version 1, and this one should have had AT LEAST 1 gig of ram, preferably 2 since they are now trying to push iMovie & Garageband lol. Really? Movie editing with 1/2 gig of ram?

Apple loves small incremental changes after they have a huge fanbase secured. They know their fans will pretty much buy anything they release, so its not necessary to give much of an upgrade with each release, so long as there is SOMETHING different. And yes it is a sexy piece of hardware, just not my preference on OS. I REALLY hope MS hits it out of the park next year since they are taking their sweet time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
Well said. They claimed their standards on hardware would prevent problems with devices from individual manufacturers, and that they were going to handle the updates themselves. So WHY is it that some carriers are blocking updates, and more importantly, why are they even ABLE to block updates?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bleak Morn:
It's got electrolytes! :eek:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bleak Morn:
For most of the people I know, WP7 phones are the best value on the market. I know a handfull of folks who like a challenge, so they prefer Android - and a few others who don't like to think or have hardware (or until recently carrier) choices, so they prefer Apple.

There's nothing "beta" about WP7. I was merely suggesting that MS should consider rolling out updates early to people like me, who can handle it. Then when we give it the green light, send it out to the masses.

I am a hardware engineer. Thanks for the tip though. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I've had a job...30 years worth of a job. "Job" is a foul word to me...unless you add an "s" to it. Then it become a national treasure. :D

Everything I get is from gifts. I work hard doing what I do to take care of things around here and am rewarded with gifts. No income or anything like that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bleak Morn:
Actually they introduced high resolution and color depths as a standard feature in the mobile device world. Cut & paste and multitasking were standard features. They also featured high quality audio recording and playback - setting the stage for portable media players.

So if you ignore all of that... yeah, what you said. :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
You're thinking of Palm. Palm had the higher resolution displays 160x160, 320x320, 320x480 for years while MS was stubbornly staying with 240x240 and 240x360. When the HP VGA device came out a few years ago with WinMo on it, it upped the res to VGA (480x640) but was too dark and too expensive to own. Since then Apple came out with truly revolutionary hardware in the iPhone. They released the first hard-surface capacitive touch 360x480 display, the first proximity sensor, the first gyro system for orientation and other minor touches. But Apple is who opened up the whole market to high quality, affordable consumer oriented smartphones.

I figure the whole industry was angrier at Apple than a yellow jacket because of giving the consumer all that goodness in one, single, device. It meant lower profits for them due to higher manufacturing costs and engineering.

That's where most of the Apple "hatred" comes from. An industry that is cleverly enlisting unwitting common consumers to spread hatred for Apple. Some of that hatred comes from the fact that a world-leader in consumer electronics is an American company. To the rest of the industry, that's as much as dishonoring them and disgusting them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PieOfJustice:
Interesting view.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
Preaching to the choir, my friend :). iOS is, in my view, antiquated garbage.

That said, the app catalog is, nevertheless, very appealing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That's like saying a Harley Davidson is "antiquated garbage".
[Windows Phone 7 General] lekki:
You don't know much about bikes if you think they aren't...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bleak Morn:
The Apple hatred comes from several places, most notably lies in advertising.

They do a great job at advertising with mass appeal - and also making products that appeal to the upper-middle class (because poor people can't afford their products).

With oodles of upper-middle class customers, they end up with a lot of followers who are pretty talented at rationalizing the irrational - such as paying 1/3 more for pretty much everything, allowing themselves to be led around on a leash by Steve Jobs, fawning over minor hardware and software updates, and not researching products before they buy them.

As a result of all of this, the advertising lies become mainstream beliefs of a religious nature and they start coming up, unchallenged, in everyday conversation.

It amounts to arrogance oozing from the company at every interaction, which is then lapped up by their obediant sheep consumers, who are then so delighted with their decision to buy what their friend has instead of surveying the landscape and buying something that suits their individual needs, that they have to tell everyone how great, unique, and interesting they are.

...for example, the friend of mine that insists that iPad has an app with the full feature-set of OneNote (because Apple has apps that can do anything, not because it exists and he's found it in the App[le?] Store).

Interestingly, the same sort of thing happens with a lot of products (these forums are packed with examples of fanboi-ism) but the "hatred" as you put it I think stems mostly from how obvious the lies from the top are, combined with how mindlessly they're propogated.

It's a cult, and the cult-members are delusional. Anyone outside of the cult can see this. The trick is to make sure you don't find yourself in a different cult -which starts getting into the philosophy of geopolitical conflict through history. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
You call it lies but you don't state what they lie about. As far as I'm concerned, my new iPhone 4 is the best piece of electronics I've ever owned. Most ppl say the same thing once they acquire one. It's the ones sitting and watching how successful Apple is that ***** and moan about them. They get caught up in the anti-fanboy'ism and flow with it.

You should be thanking Apple for what they've done for the industry rather than bad-mouthing them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
Not singling you out, but I have to say this. You thank someone when they do something for you out of kindness. You do not thank someone for allowing you to give them your money.

Apple has already begun to show the true nature of iTunes and it should be obvious how they are hoping to dominate all access to media. I have no interest in supporting this hijacking of things that they have taken control of.

Before you call me an anti-Apple hater, realize that I have owned many Apple products. Everything from the first iPod to a MacBook Pro. This includes three different iPhones. What I cannot stand about Apple (now) is the way they decide what you can or cannot access on a device that you pay a monthly fee (to someone else) for. For instance, I should be able to download an mp3 file in the browser. But no, Apple forces you to go through the store on the device. If any other company pulled this kind of nonsense, everyone would be all over it.

Just because a shackle comes in a pretty package, doesn't mean it's not still a shackle.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bleak Morn:
"Plaintiff’s claims, and those of the purported class, are barred by the fact that the alleged deceptive statements were such that no reasonable person in Plaintiff’s position could have reasonably relied on or misunderstood Apple’s statements as claims of fact," - Apple Legal

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/12/apple-says-cust/

Then there are the advertising bans in the UK, FTC complaints, etc. A quick search in your favorite search engine yields an inexhaustible supply of examples (but being a fanboi you won't look). The example above is a gem because it's straight from the source. This isn't mere opinion, it's a matter of public record.

I'm not upset at Apple for being successful. I'm a shareholder after all. I just think they could be more successful if they didn't lie or use hyperbole at every turn. Maybe they'd make more money if they weren't always defending their lies in court.

Maybe not though, so by all means, buy Apple products! Wait in line to line my pockets! The iPad is so awesome, why not buy 6 for each member of your family!?! :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Excellent reasoning! I got a lot out of your comments. I can sense in your post you aren't biased and very objective. I can cope with ppl like you. It's ppl who don't consider others when they make claims it what I can't stand. You don't sound like a common sheep. The others, when they talk about "Evil Apple" they have no clue as to why they believe Apple is evil. They are just following peer pressure.

But the "thanks" I refer to, I hit on in my previous post. If it wasn't for the iPhone, none of us would have the quality HTC, Motorola or other hardware we have today. There wasn't any device that had all of the technology the iPhone had at that time. Want something better than a flexible, film-layered, easy to damage display?? Apple gave it to you...and only Apple. If Apple hadn't given the world the tech in the iPhone. We would likely still be using resistive tech. The whole friggin industry at that time could be summed up in one word, "Lazy". They didn't mind giving ppl one or tow things the iPhone embodied. But to cram in all that the iPhone gave us was to them as a waste. The industry would rather keep stringing us all along with cheap=ass hardware much like a drug pusher does rather than satisfy us all with true goodness.

With that said, I can rationalize the reason for the massive and vast Apple love today. We get relief from knowing we can have something that actually works and satisfies us in every way.

I'm no fanboy, I just am objective and rational about it all. Fanboy'ism is bad and the polar opposite of fanboy'ism is just as bad: anti-fanboy'ism...ppl that hate for no rational reason. Just because Apple doesn't make the system open is no rational reason to hate Apple. It does, however, rationally and objectively speaking, show that the ppl who hate Apple because the system is closed can't find anything better to go to; that Apple products are all they care to own. Otherwise, since Apple doesn't satisfy them with a system they want, they would go to the next system and be happy without ever having the slightest amount of animosity towards Apple. In other words, those ppl would vote with the money. But they don't. They moan and groan about Apple and how the system is closed and say they would never like Apple products.

You know, the human mind is simple in this way: If something bugs you, it usually means you want that something. Apple's way bugs a lot of ppl. That's because they secretly and subconsciously desire it but are ashamed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Jesus Christ! Give me a friggin break! Some old fart is pissed off because he can't discern the difference in system speed from one iPhone to another. OMFG! There are all manner of frivolous law suits these days and you are saying, just because there was a lawsuit that Apple is automatically wrong?

Nah...you are the polar opposite of a fanboy. Clearly! I'm no fanboy. Much to the contrary of what you claim. The fact that you claim I am states you are an anti-fanboy because I know I'm no fanboy. The fact that Apple has never lied to me in any way and that I don't have hate for Apple makes me a fanboy??

I get angry and say of few negative words about WP7 and am labeled a troll and argumentative. Regardless that I do like WP7. The only words that interest some ppl are lovey-dovey, huggy-kissy words. Is that rational? It's okay to say good things. But it isn't okay to say deserved bad things??

By the way, I'm glad you're a shareholder in Apple. You clearly know them to be a money maker. I have no disgust at all about lining your pocket with my money. In fact, I'm glad to when I can. Your statement that I might be pissed about giving money to you because I buy and Apple product shows you to be anti-Apple. That's a childish rationality to have. Hoping I would be disgusted about putting money in your pocket...Jesus-F'ing Christ!
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
an apple shareholder!? BURN THE WITCH!

nah for real I just don't like them. It's not even about their products I mean they are mediocre, it's the people that have the product that makes you want to scream. It's always buy apple they're the best; not really. I must've had a lemon of a macbook pro, iphone, and ipod touch, because they each sucked in their own individual way. Beyond being a status symbol in my eyes, I am not too keen on apple.

And yet I have a sneaky suspicion I will have to buy another apple product for school...shrugs my crummy luck

but er back on topic?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Oh, the irony is killing me. The comedy is hilarious.