yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] stagnantwater:
Hi guys any update from coolja?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] miomiguel:
he has a video of it working.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pIow6G3yA
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] er.davinder:
man i am dam excited, if i had money i would have donated me , wait till i get a job i myself will support the dev who work so hard in porting and all the stuff,

\salutes the developers/
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] izador:
its an old movie clip ..
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] duri09:
nice cm on ace!
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] DroidAced:
Better Luck Nxt Time

Next cm 7 mod informed tht it might support loads of other devs in which Ace might be one of em' :cool:
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] thuanngotau:
Really hope to see back CyanogenMod in Ace.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] guddu2011:
any news/status about kolja's cm work on our beloved ace?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] imranaryan:
Looking forward for CM7.. Hope to see it soon
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] hypergamer1231:
People please please please do not ask for eta

Please do not ask for ETA the more we ask the more the port gets delayed refer to the attachment
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] adeklipse:
That's mean!

...but really effective... o.O
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] skynet28:
Well,there is a limit to the patience of a good dev.

I hope that stops the ETAs.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] OiToBi:
Yea .. Everyday I guess a guy asks for ace .. So I guess everyday he stops work .. So I guess its just getting delayed ;D

Kidding dont take as offence.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] mikeinessex:
i think the ace is a cool lil phone. problem is most devs will be getting high end phones so the ace would get less attention due to its bigger brothers. wouldnt mind seeing cm7 on this cause my gf is going to get one
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] consegregate:
Damn, why is this such a lady's phone. Hahaha. Hardcore coders all fly towards dual core big brothers.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] CallMeVentus:
I got this phone because the only phones left at the store at that time were Nokia's S40 phones , HTC Desire HD (eeewwwwww) and this . :D
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] russ18uk:
This phone was £230 pre-pay. SGSII was another £200 but I wish I had saved a bit more. This phone is expensive for what it is. Also even came locked. UK sucks for tech costs.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] only.alive:
The RRP is £300 which I agree is a total rip off.

I wouldn't have bought a new phone at all if I hadn't seen the Ace for £150 inc. £10 top up (unlocked). For that money there's nothing else that comes close. Even around the £200 mark there's not really a better alternative.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] thuanngotau:
How about this, guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pIow6G3yA
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Lovetz:
Read thread before posting.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] guru2468:
This vid is by coolya. As far as I know his not working on this anymore. (at least his github hasn't been updated)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nims11:
Most of people think this

but time give the answer who port for ace
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] guru2468:
Sure, the only think non-involved people can do, is just wait and see! (and thank the devs instead of pissing them off! >.<)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] kalgecin:
clockworkmod ported on galaxy ace

Hey guys there's a ported CWM for the galaxy ace. It's in the forums. I have it installed and running FirstUA v1.2 which is flashed using CWM. Still no info on the CyanogenMod? I'd be happy to test and debug
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] CallMeVentus:
CWM is ClockWorkMod Recovery . If we didn't have that we wouldn't even think of custom stuff .
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] PabloPL:
You can always build it from source (for example using files from coolya) like i've done ;)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] adi7yli3:
@PabloPL.. Pleasee Could You Send Me A Flashable Zip For Cyanogenmod Or Could Youu Please Post A Tutorial On How To Build It From Source !?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] PabloPL:
Sorry i won't send package - not all thinks are working (in my build) like:

- camera

- FM radio

And there is some problem with superuser and backup in recovery (but i think i know how to fix it), but without sources (android.git.kernel.org is not working) i can't fix them:/.

When i'll get most thinks working, i'll release some beta (if coolya won't release it first).

If you want to build it, you can use configs from here
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] kalgecin:
I know. I just posted that because i read all posts since the first and saw that the devs could not port this and there was no post on anyone porting it so i decided to say.

looking forward to this mate. If you need a tester i'm available just contact me.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] PabloPL:
Now i'm waiting for andrid.git.kernel.org to download sources and fix recovery/superuser problems. Camera and radio can be fixed later.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] kalgecin:
yes for me superuser is a must :) i don't use radio at all but i do use the camera from time to time but can live without it for some time.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] den191097:
PabloPL Is this the source of the kernel that you need.

_ttps://github.com/coolya/android_kernel_samsung_msm
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] MrChaosDesire:
I hope it is :-D

Sent from my Galaxy Ace in Singapore with the XDA app
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] den191097:
Sorry, can someone say how to make cyanogenmod from the source.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] CallMeVentus:
Hey , we don't want no competition :( no fair XD just kidding
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] kalgecin:
some thing like this
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] den191097:
For Galaxy ace the process of compiling is the same?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] kalgecin:
i think so it should be. well not exactly the same but somewhat like that. Just use common sense :). I haven't done this myself as i can't get the android sources at the moment but will try and see when kernel.org is back up and running
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] PabloPL:
I'm already using it.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] den191097:
PabloPl

Please can you say how exactly to make cyanogenmod from the source.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] consegregate:
When you have to ask this I guess you are lacking the necessary skills to build it.. ._.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] PabloPL:
There are many tutorials how to build CM, there are even some scripts to automate this.

The only needed thing is to use correct device config. If you want to build it - you can search those info (like i've done).

I'm not hidding my sources - i'm using those from coolya

In this config there is almost all thinks workign (besides RIL, BT, camera and sensors).

Also try to understand me, if i would post here step by step tutorial, how to build it, i'm sure that there would be:

- persons which would ask about how to do base thinks (for example install missing packages)

- persons which would paste errors and ask why it's not building

- persons which would break their devices (changing something etc) in config

I don't want to be responsible if they brick theirs devices. Also, i don't have many time to answer those questions (i have job/studies etc), besides more time spend to answer those questions = less time spend on fixing my build:( (i'm not saying that i wouldn't help).
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] thuanngotau:
Hey guys, pls be careful to talk about CM porting because it's possible that our thread will be closed forever by Admins!

Anyway, we know that all of us love to wait and... enjoy this.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] vicman2020:
thanks pablo, many people ask and ask and that result to be bored, we want cm7, i dont know why if i never used it but i think many people want to test it, i think you dont relase it because it has many bugs, and it can be dangerous for our devices, i hope soon i can test it take your time,

pd. if you release a beta we can help you, sorry for my english im mexican
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Lovetz:
Hi.

BehradGH has ported CM like you did. But he has no problem with superuser or recovery. May be you can cooperate with him to make fullworking ROM?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Pillascocos:
I can see most people in this forum and other ones putting CM on sky... But why? Whats the special thing of this room? It's because of overclocking or something like that?

If CM7 is for the newest smartphones. There is any older version of CM like: CM4 compatible with SGA?

Thanks and gl on porting!
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Lovetz:
I am interested in CM only out of curiosity. I do not expect miracles from it, and it is hardly possible at all. Just another FW.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] consegregate:
Then again it's a firmware that has so much more functionalities than our stock. You'll find stock roms extremely crippled with CM functional. Maybe, I'm just greedy and want the best out of my device :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] numericalt:
cynogen mod7 2.3.5 for galaxy ace...

where can i get this update file...hv spent long time for searching at xda forum..:( tqs a lot who can help...
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] PabloPL:
About recovery - don't know which version he is using. I'm using CMW 4.0.1.4.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Grif_07:
Are you built it from source? What about CWM5 for our Ace? :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] PabloPL:
Yes, i'm building it from source (like the first recovery which i've put here;) ).

I'm trying to synchronize as often as possible with CM repos, so probably after getting sources (when android.git.kernel.org will be working :( ), i'll try to use the lattest version.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Grif_07:
Did you tried this: http://php.webtutor.pl/en/2011/09/05/kernel-org-hacked-how-to-get-android-repo/ ?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] fantomatico:
cooper has 10 downloads today.

only 2 until yesterday.

I gess work is being done.

http://stats.cyanogenmod.com/
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] lolowaty:
CM7 ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] zubinthakore:
Hey I am a noob here.

Can you help me with instructions to install CM7
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] consegregate:
Yes. Go to the thread and do exactly what instructions say.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] hoianboy:
Sorry Admin! Now my device using "CyanogenMod 7.1-cooper-KANG-RC1 Android 2.3.7"

But I don't like application Phone, Contacts forum CM7, I want update App Phone forum Samsung. How to install!!!.

And please give me "App phone from Samsung". Thanks you.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] katal2hod:
help

Please! anyone who can help me to install cyanogen cm7 rc2 to my galaxy ace? I'm currently using KPH baseband and coderom what should I do after I download all the files needed? thanks!:)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Shaaan:
Just head over to the thread and read the instructions. They are self sufficient.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Zeduaz:
If it helps you: instal latest cwm4 and than chose your cm rom and instal it by cwm... dont forget to make phone and sd backup before instaling new rom. Go to the rom developing section and there are custom roms with cm and good showing how to instal them... ;-)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] jimbo.levy:
Can someone lock this thread please? It is completely pointless.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] thuanngotau:
Totally agree with u!
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] texix:
good job,,,,,,,,,,,
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nzim:
All Ukrainian users Galaxy Ace +10000000 for the section for the this smartfon :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] omerhadad:
Need also man... : /
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] jeffdijkstra:
It's kind of retarted how many developer communities are simply pretending this phone does not exist, there has been many requests for opening a simple goddamn section about this phone (yes I'm swearing, maybe that will catch their attention?).

The Ace isn't by far as popular as other phones yet, but I got a strong feeling it will be strong mid range device for many people, just because the phone is 2 months old there is no reason to completely ignore it and it would be about time they would open a new section for this phone, I mean, even phones that haven't even been frikkin' released get their sections..
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nhnt11:
packing/installing the recovery shouldn't be a problem after its compiled. I'm having trouble finding the recovery partition though. plus, I don't actually have the phone yet so... kinda hard to do a lot of work on it.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] peacekeeper05:
Wow. I didnt know this phone exists.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] 胡彪q:
i’m absolutely starving
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] kintoandar:
nhnt11 Thanks for your work, it's much appriciated!

Samsung Galaxy Ace has a enormous success in Europe and I personally recomend it to my friends.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] peeter123:
So this is a nice opportunity to find out. I can dd the bml partions for you? On first sight it looks exactly like the mapping in this topic [Q/HELP]Samsung GT-I5510 bml partition mapping

Cooper.ops

0,mibib
1,qcsbl
2,oemsbl
3,amss
4,arm11boot
5,boot
6,recovery
7,system
8,data
9,csc
10,

cat /proc/partitions | grep bml

137 0 513024 bml0/c
137 1 1536 bml1
137 2 512 bml2
137 3 768 bml3
137 4 25600 bml4
137 5 9216 bml5
137 6 5120 bml6
137 7 2048 bml7
137 8 8192 bml8
137 9 8192 bml9
137 10 768 bml10
137 11 6144 bml11
137 12 222464 bml12
137 13 192768 bml13
137 14 29696 bml14

cat /proc/LinuStoreIII/bmlinfo

FSR VERSION: FSR_1.2.1p1_b139_RTM
minor position size units id
1: 0x00000000-0x00180000 0x00180000 6 1
2: 0x00180000-0x00200000 0x00080000 2 2
3: 0x00200000-0x002c0000 0x000c0000 3 3
4: 0x002c0000-0x01bc0000 0x01900000 100 4
5: 0x01bc0000-0x024c0000 0x00900000 36 23
6: 0x024c0000-0x029c0000 0x00500000 20 25
7: 0x029c0000-0x02bc0000 0x00200000 8 5
8: 0x02bc0000-0x033c0000 0x00800000 32 6
9: 0x033c0000-0x03bc0000 0x00800000 32 7
10: 0x03bc0000-0x03c80000 0x000c0000 3 8
11: 0x03c80000-0x04280000 0x00600000 24 9
12: 0x04280000-0x11bc0000 0x0d940000 869 21
13: 0x11bc0000-0x1d800000 0x0bc40000 753 22
14: 0x1d800000-0x1f500000 0x01d00000 116 24

Partition Table (XXKC1)

bml1 mibib
bml2 qcsbl
bml3 oemsbl
bml4 amms
bml5 ????????FSR_STL
bml6 ????????FSR_STL / Empty|Empty RFS Partition???
bml7 arm11boot
bml8 Boot.img
bml9 Recovery.img
bml10 Looks like kernel init?????Contains this string:"em=330M console=NULL hw=5 fbaddr=0xb0000"
bml11 Empty partion no partion table?? Whole file FF
bml12 System.rfs
bml13 Data Partition
bml14 Cache Partition

Dumps of bml1-bml11
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nhnt11:
I already extracted the recovery / kernel since my last post, and the recovery is compiled and should work. the only problem is, I'm unable to get root access in recovery and so unable to test the fakeflash update.zip. can you tell me if you get shell root in recovery please?

edit - btw, the partition was bml4.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] peeter123:
No thats also not possible for me also. If I try to su I get a segmentation fault.

Btw, I will finish the partion table. Usefull for everyone ;)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nhnt11:
well getting recovery working is a no go till I get write access to /sbin.

we could probably do everything from another writable partition instead of /sbin, but that would be so dirty that I don't like to even think about it.

edit - bml4 contains the kernel, not recovery. kernel is wat I needed for compiling.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] majedev:
I managed to get root access in recovery mode by modifying su binary so it won't require authorization through SuperUser application, uploaded it to /system/bin and chmod 6755. Please find the attached binary and the corresponding source code.

(DANGEROUS: Do not download this if you don't know what you're doing!)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nhnt11:
nice. so that was the problem. however, completely disabling the superuser app is kind of a major security flaw. ill look into this.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] majedev:
You don't have to replace the original su that works with SuperUser. I put this one with an irrelevant name as a "plan B" when I was playing with a2sd, if my phone failed to boot normally.

I hope you find it useful :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nhnt11:
I realize, but even having this on the phone can be considered a security issue. The thing is, we technically don't need root if we can find a way to remount rootfs as r/w, which I think should be possible from the update script. Clockworkmod has root in it after we get it running. We can use this modified one temporarily though, thanks for sharing :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] stagnantwater:
Any update guys?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nhnt11:
Here's a test recovery update.zip. To test:

1. Put it in the root of your sdcard

2. Boot into recovery

3. Apply sdcard:update.zip

4. If it works, YAY.

5. Try to mount a partition. DO NOT TRY TO INSTALL FILES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT UNLESS YOU KNOW HOW TO FIX YOUR PHONE IF IT GETS MESSED UP SOMEHOW. If it works, tell me. If it doesn't, tell me anyway.

6. Reboot. Delete the update.zip, forget about it for now.

:D

DISCLAIMER: You try this at your own risk. I am not responsible for anything wrong/bad that happens. That said, no damage should be done if you follow the instructions above.

edit: if it just gives an install successful message then it did not work. if it worked, you will see a menu with orange highlights that says "clockworkmod recovery"

edit2: looks like it doesn't work after all without root. try anyway though :D
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] manju991:
:confused:

what does this do? install cyanogenmod?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] daron19:
do we need to do a factory reset and then root the phone again or is it ok to do it with apps installed in it?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] peeter123:
Nope didn't work. Hangs at: replacing stock recovery with clockworkmod recovery! And it didn't **** up my mobile:p
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] elkifo:
One question:

How to put the ace in recovery mode to install the update.zip?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] izal2012:
hey are u sure the clockworkmod script didn't work ? :(
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] domnic79:
Can any1 tell me how to unroot my samsung galaxy ace??
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] izal2012:
why do u want unroot ace ?

Simple steps , just open SOC , and click unroot button at the top of application .
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] princenoob:
hi guys maybe lets transfer to samdroid.net! i asked the admin and he make a section for us! http://forum.samdroid.net/f69/

so far there are no threads or post in our section because its recently opened
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] daron19:
also tried didnt work stopped at replacing recovery
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] jkgomez69:
Gl....
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] daron19:
to put galaxy ace in recovery hold HOME + POWER BUTTON
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Tristan971:
Wasn't there 2 root options in SoC ? 1 called "root" and an other entitled "shell root" ?

If you wanna help, tell me what you need and how to get it from the phone ;) I've got it, so I can try for you :)

I tried custom update.zip (the one which should install clockwork) and I got the same error as petter ;)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] elkifo:
The update.zip not work .

MANUAL MODE

Install from sdcard....

Findinf update package ...

Opening update package ...

Installing update ...

Replacing stock recovery with ClockworkMod recovery ...

And the phone is freezed.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] elkifo:
i think that the problem is a root permission, because in recovery mode (thanks daron19) im run adb.exe shell but inside this i cant exec su command.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Tristan971:
Yes and we found a way to bypass that limitation (partly disabling su), but that's a bad way to do this as it results in a security problem.

Whereas, we can (and I don't exactly remember but I think the dev told) use it temporarily and then find another way.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Petrovski80:
I'll keep a close eye on this thread. As soon as CM7 is working, I'm eager to try it out on my Ace. :D
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] mightyiam:
Cyanogenmod Forum thread

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/17550-samsung-galaxy-ace-s5830/
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] daron19:
if you haven't found out yet a 2.3.3 rom is out go to samfirmware.com
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] elkifo:
2.3.3 ????? Great, downloading.....
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Tristan971:
Hum.... I wait for feedbacks before using it :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] sbnaul:
gingerbread

reasons to rejoice... gingerbread rom

available at samfirmware... i dont ve

enough post to strart a thread for it :-( any

1 giving it a try...
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] viruzth:
2.3.3

_hotfile_com/dl/115310133/e3acaaf/S5830XXKP8.rar.html

Is it beta or what?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Tristan971:
Final but leaked some days before. Will be in kies in little time :)

It work like a charm :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] guddu2011:
any updates?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Tristan971:
We're waiting for getting root access on gingerbread leaked ROM (and the official which will come after)

Then we've got to get root access to /sbin in the recovery (that's a big problem they can't bypass without making a security issue).

Then I think majedev & peeter went into vacation and it's maybe why they didn't answer :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] elkifo:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=13086954

manual root in gingerbread
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] marvelous.beat:
That's not working on Galaxy Ace, seems like we'll have to wait until somebody fix that for our device... Hopefully it won't take long.. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Thoumin:
YES for CM7 port on Galaxy Ace
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] kejexu8hem:
Any News about Custom Recovery/Rom?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] letsurock:
Yeah we need custom ROM... for Ace Galaxy ace........ please developer make some rom which is powerful and takes less battery....
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] majedev:
I wish it was a vacation T_T
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Tristan971:
x) I was trying to clue why you was away :P It seem that I was too positive :)

But know you're there so we'll be able to move ahead :)

PS : hum.... If my english is strange It's cause I'm French ;)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] mgrroucas:
hello, i'm another french guy following this thread ... i must say that i watch for updates of this thread 2 or 3 times a day...

It's a great project and i hope it will succed !

Sorry too for my bad english :) !
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] manju991:
how is the cyanogen mod comming up

Hi

Heard that the cyanogen mod was under development for again.

How is it coming on? Haven't heard from nhnt for about a week now...

Hope to get some updates.

Thanks.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] kills999:
Someone posted a gingerbread root on androidforums.com

LINK:

(google it I can't post links)

Can anyone test and confirm whether it is working???
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Darvadouille:
Yeah, I confirm!

I tested it yesterday and it works perfectly! There is even a tuto on the forum? Just look for it.

But no problems till now, seems to work great.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nhnt11:
Wow, I'm an idiot. I as good as rooted this thing (2.3.3) a couple weeks ago using the same method, but used the wrong update binary (epic fail).

Well at least we have root now :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Darvadouille:
Yeah, got it!

The only thing missing now is the official gingerbread firmware from Samsung....

Or a Cynamogem Mod my god!

Like often, be patient!
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Petrovski80:
Exactly. So green light for the port of CM7? :-)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] roninxt:
Is it greenlight? Or we need beta testers?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nhnt11:
CM7 is a distant dream for now. We don't even have a recovery working. And I don't have a Galaxy Ace yet.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] flo-95:
Shall we get some money for you to buy an Ace?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nhnt11:
no thats alright, just been busy
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] manju991:
hi nhnt11

dude, if you want a phone to work on, i have a sga and i live in bangalore...
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nhnt11:
Actually I've been thinking about this... I thought the Ace was a good choice at first but I think I'd rather buy a Blade (Dell xcd35). More value for money.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] manju991:
mobile...

hey man, just posting my opinion thaths all.... i saw on gsm arena Dell xcd35 is rated 7.1 whereas galaxy ace is above 8....also it will be like you are downgrading from htc wildfire...