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[Atrix 4G General] noblewolf:
haha.. as if motorola cares. you already bought, its a done deal! they even promised 1080p recording on the specs sheet followed by "(in the future update)".. i seriously dont think there will be an update on this thing..

before you buy, they promise lots of things, "in the future update".

after you gave buy and after a while try asking for the update.. these f*cktards will just say... "what update?"

my hope leans more on supporting the developers who are working hard to crack this wonderful device.. rather than wasting time begging to motorola after you shelled out that sum.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Completely agree, but in all honesty, I had the time to waste.

The Dev's really are the ones that will get the bootloader unlocked or bypassed before motorola even decides to do anything.

The Dev threads are starting to get really exciting.

Sent from my MB860
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Just a reminder to anyone who wants to get an official statement from Motorola to go to http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/

and tweet or facebook to as many as you can.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Continuing the Battle

So we're up near the 200 signature mark now for the Petition. I've been in touch with Motorola about 6 times in the last 2 weeks, not giving up on this one though.

My last response from them was:

So it's not a flat out denial of an imminent bootloader solution, but we're no closer either.

I will now create similar posts in the other Motorola forums on XDA and see if we can get our Brothers & Sisters to join the party.

I know there are a lot of skeptics, but I will keep trying. I don't have the skill to help the Dev's crack the phone, but I do have the patience to make our voices heard.
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
"bootloader solution" can mean anything. it can even mean staying with their locked bootloader is their solution.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Very concise point, but if you review this statement, then it's in context.

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=495971028278

Which is all included in the Groubal.
[Atrix 4G General] xfinrodx:
Signed. Maybe someone should design a B&W 8.5x11 printout that can be posted at universities to drum up support... I'm in a CS program and I'm sure there are more than a couple who would take the 2 seconds necessary to sign- I just don't know any of them personally!
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
That's a great idea. Anyone interested in getting some designs going?

I'm focusing purely on an electronic campaign at the moment, except for the letters I send Motorola, so stupid that if you want to get in touch with them for more difficult inquiries you have to post a letter, What is this 1926?

I'm not in the U.S. so can't get involved that way, but would gladly support any other contributions to the cause.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Ok guys, we now have nearly 800 signatures, nearly 500 in one night alone.

Keep up the great work everyone, this wouldn't be going anywhere without your support.

Sent from my Atrix (in Australia)
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Thank you everyone for your support.

Updated First Post!
[Atrix 4G General] spirit32:
this must be sticky!
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Just updated Original Post, some very interesting developments today.
[Atrix 4G General] Mafisometal:
well i signed, hope to see this petition hit 2000 and maybe Motorola might start taking a good look.
[Atrix 4G General] kandroid:
Just thinking. Instead of this, how about a petition for removing Motoblur and giving us Vanilla Android? Does anyone think that is a viable petition to consider? Which one would you think Motorola might consider?
[Atrix 4G General] Beach_Head:
Not everyone hates MotoBlur. In fact, I happen to love MotoBlur.

Unlocking the bootloader will allow developers to create a Vanilla Android ROM that you can load while still allowing Motorola to continue to develop its official ROMs.
[Atrix 4G General] Beach_Head:
BTW, I don't see the Groubal petition posted here: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=495971028278

Why is that?
[Atrix 4G General] kandroid:
Or, they could make Motoblur as an add-on feature - one should be given an option to uninstall that if they don't require/fancy it, instead of tightly integrating it with the core components. I'm sure a lot of people would like that. It's an Operating System for heaven's sake. Would you like it if OEMs start messing with your computer's OS?

Why should anyone jump through hoops to get an unaltered version of the OS? That should be the default, IMO.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Look at the post on Friday. Irwin Proud, that's me.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Groubal has been attacked again!

I will update the post when they are back to normal operations.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Updated OP
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
Almost 6k signatures... This is getting big! I've actually made several facebook posts and tweets as well to get people to spread the word. Hope Motorola doesn't decide to ignore this!
[Atrix 4G General] ChumleyEX:
I sent an email to Gizmodo (seeing as that's the best site ever) requesting some attention.. I would suggest others do as well.

tips@gizmodo.com
[Atrix 4G General] joelszs:
This is a great effort on behalf of the community for a common cause!
[Atrix 4G General] Mr.Demous:
6k sigs now and I'm trying to spread the word as much as I can. I just hope in the end its going to pick up Motorola's attention and they unlock there bootloader.
[Atrix 4G General] GoodFoot:
Gotta love the power of social networking. If it can help topple governments in the middle east, surely it can help convince a for-profit company that it will sell more product and thus make more profit if it opens up the OS on its flagship product.

The people who need to understand the significance of this issue are not just Motorola's managers, but Motorola's shareholders/investors.
[Atrix 4G General] tl_bull:
6000 petitions at $500 roughly a phone (if it is that I dont know) is 3,000,000.00 that isn't chump change anymore. That is probably 20 guys on their development staff's salary for the year, maybe a few more.
[Atrix 4G General] optimaljam:
just tip andriod central about this. we are gonna get lots of signatures now. XD
[Atrix 4G General] Saschwatch:
Hopefully with this many signatures we can get a serious response. Heck at this point saying anything official would be nice. That is, as long as we don't get another "We have no information regarding when/if a bootloader solution will be announced. Please stay tuned for future announcements".
[Atrix 4G General] hate_Romania:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=question&id=10150175871280731&qa_ref=qd

please vote
[Atrix 4G General] GoodFoot:
I checked the Groubal petition a few minutes ago. It was up to 6,950 signers. Then I happened to go to the Groubal home page. It showed that there were 589 active petitions, with a total of 15,092 signatures. So the single Motorola Bootloader Petition accounted for 46% of the signatures currently on all the petitions at Groubal combined. Holy crap! If that doesn't make it worthy of Motorola's attention, I don't know what does.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Yeah, this has been a huge boost for their site, but it has also been a great staging ground for the movement.

Updated OP.
[Atrix 4G General] jodahall:
Just tried to go to the petition site and it comes up blank....no error just a blank page. tried it in firefox and IE
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
signed, i didn't kno that u could sign using twitter
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
They apparently locked it down too tight. It's all good again.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Updated OP.

New Facebook Page!
[Atrix 4G General] poontab:
^Thanks 10
[Atrix 4G General] DAGr8:
last time a petition was made one of moto's ceo said ' if you want an unlocked device go buy an HTC ' I wonder what will be there official response now ...
[Atrix 4G General] k4zyn:
Good way to run a company IMO :rolleyes:
[Atrix 4G General] kartik50:
Signed

Signed this - unfortunately - I do not think this will make ANY difference. Although - how about if we make a PayPal account and all money donated goes to legal fund / hacker hiring a supercomputer to crack the signing codes? I would love to see the look on motorola's face when their own community cracks their codes :D Who's with me?
[Atrix 4G General] lsxrx7:
we already kinda have this.

i m ready to donate. just waiting for the bootloader to be cracked.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1004208
[Atrix 4G General] GoodFoot:
Would that be the same Moto CEO who said they "will be one of the first to get to Gingerbread"?
[Atrix 4G General] gzrecoil:
Motorola, please unlock the bootloader.

Signed.
[Atrix 4G General] guidojusto:
:p

Maybe today is our lucky day.
[Atrix 4G General] DukeL:
It was just a regular employee that made the comment. Not a ceo lol. Then moto apologized and said "We apologize for the feedback we provided regarding our bootloader policy. The response does not reflect the views of Motorola.

We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests."
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Motorola has responded. Refer to Original Post.
[Atrix 4G General] mrphil101:
The problem is not really with Motorola, They want to sell phones, the customers (att, verizon, etc) tell them what features that want turned on or off (or how bad to cripple it). Locked bootloader isn't doing anything for moto.

So, moto says sure to bootloader, as long as the provider agrees. Well, what do you think AT&T will say? It is like taking money out of their pockets. they have features and hardware they want to charge an arm and a leg for, and an unlocked bootloader allows for that to be circumvented.

The only thing at this point that would get them to change their minds is if there is enough of a stink made about their callousness to their customers wants/needs that it perks up some ears. Make it hard for them to convice the regulators to that buying t-mo is good for the consumer. Now that would make them take their heads out of the sand.

AT&T doesn't give a hoot about their customers desires, only our wallets are thier concern. They ain't going to allow the bootloader to be unlocked on a phone they sell. besides, the locked bootloader gives them tremendous control over your phone and the data that is on it. they can tell how you are connecting, are you rooted, what rom you are using and a plethora of other incidious bits of info that you would probably rather they didn't have.

It gets cracked or it ain't gonna happen. AT&T rules (that should be their slogan), now bow down you little person.
[Atrix 4G General] ssmr2t:
JOIN!

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_194049430639203&ap=1
[Atrix 4G General] Dav5049915:
joined the group
[Atrix 4G General] Gr8Danes:
Then I believe it is time to start hitting those carriers hard for the result we are looking for.

Such as:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=8576093908&topic=18121
[Atrix 4G General] xfinrodx:
I would sign again if it wasn't wrong to do so. I want Motorola to toss this at the carriers and I want the carriers to cave. Could Dell get away with locking a laptop to Windows? My phone is more powerful than my in-law's dell. It is time to allow pc-like administration capability.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Updated OP.

Good news!
[Atrix 4G General] dilwaala:
Awesome job ikenley!!
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
Great now will at&t allow it is the question don't see why they wouldn't.
[Atrix 4G General] darkamikaze:
Great. Hopefully they'll follow through. Not the first time a company has said they would and end up not.

Xda app via atrix
[Atrix 4G General] sifon187:
Back from the depths of xda, this thread. Signed. :D
[Atrix 4G General] ndevries64:
Unexpected and great news... very cool
[Atrix 4G General] G-Man.:
+1 10 char
[Atrix 4G General] Tylerjd:
Seeing how AT&T has other android phones on their network that don't have a locked bootloader, you never know, they may just allow it to happen! :D
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
Atrix to get ics
[Atrix 4G General] jivester024:
Apparently wrong....

Sent from my someday unlocked atrix
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
Lets hope so, but everyone knows how at&t is
[Atrix 4G General] G-Man.:
Can you imagine the sh*t storm AT&T would get if they didnt allow this? especially having phones like the Captivate that are NOT locked? If they allow one - they must allow all... or deal with outraged customers.
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
Oh yeah, I'm still mad they data capped my dsl service
[Atrix 4G General] ndevries64:
Yeah, I can't see how they couldn't allow this since they have other unlocked phones... then again... you never know with them.

Hope for the best... expect the best. ;)
[Atrix 4G General] qcksylvr:
Maybe it wouldn't be prudent to preemptively create an AT&T petition against locked phones. Is there one already? Where do we sign?
[Atrix 4G General] ndevries64:
+1 (10 char)
[Atrix 4G General] fernandodistinto:
This is great. We're all gonna make it!!! :)

Question: is the petition link available to the other android motomodders?
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Absolutely.

Link in signature!
[Atrix 4G General] beatphreek:
I saw your post on FB today almost as soon as you made it... I wanted to rush over here and post about the good news but I didn't want to steal your Thunder.

Great Job on this!
[Atrix 4G General] G-Man.:
This petition REALLY took off not long ago once I reposted it on AtrixForums.com - Requested that members there signed and reposted it in as many places as they could possibly find that would allow it... within a week it gained over 3k sigs.... before long it was up to 7,200 sigs.... then it kinda started to level out and has been slowly climbing again recently... Im VERY happy to see its over 10k now - yet disappointed in Motorola for not even responding to it yet.
[Atrix 4G General] nineismine:
hehe says who?
[Atrix 4G General] darkamikaze:
I don't blame him for his comment. I'll do what you guys are doing WHEN it actually does happen.
[Atrix 4G General] nalorite:
If you have a carrier unlocked phone, Motorola should have no excuse not to give you the unlock update, right?
[Atrix 4G General] poontab:
Huh? You'll sign a petition after they change *their* (not the carriers) policy?

Seriously people the squeaky wheel gets the grease. See HTC
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
While I am happy about the update, it doesn't tell us anything new. We knew they were going to be unlocking bootloaders, and that this would also be carrier dependent.
[Atrix 4G General] poontab:
Moto has never been carrier dependent. They're encrypted across the board ever since D1 (excluding Xoom) regardless of carrier.
[Atrix 4G General] GoodFoot:
I predict the unlocked bootloader for Atrix will appear as soon as the iPhone 5 begins shipping.
[Atrix 4G General] kane4fire:
So are they going to give us gingerbread before Q2 ends and then not give us any more updates so that they don't have to unlock the BL?

Sorry to be so negative but I don't believe a thing Motorola says.
[Atrix 4G General] DarkRyoushii:
Well judging on that 18 month guaranteed update policy from Google I would assume that motorola will at some stage have to give us an update past gingerbread, in which case we would be guaranteed an unlocked/relockable bootloader (subject to carrier approval) < this seems to be the evil part of the deal, the fact that AT&T have to agree.
[Atrix 4G General] joshyy_rey:
Wow this is awesome! I didn't think they would listen. I'm glad I signed now
[Atrix 4G General] joshyy_rey:
They said firmware updates so. Knowing moto gingerbread won't be perfect. So when they send out a patch for bugs we could get it? I I'm assuming.
[Atrix 4G General] beatphreek:
Actually, it does. There were a lot of questions about what phones would get the update. Would it be current devices, or just devices released after they release the unlock solution.

This tells us that any phone that is currently slated for a firmware update in Q3/Q4 will get the unlock code as long as the carrier allows it. Further they state that the carriers seem really receptive to the solution they implemented on Verizon with the Xoom. That will be the solution they roll out to the other devices.
[Atrix 4G General] MdX MaxX:
Well, AT&T is allowing Unknown Sources on the Infuse, so maybe there's hope!
[Atrix 4G General] remus_lupin:
Obviously this would only be speculation/opinion, but do you believe Bell Canada would be likely to allow the unlocked bootloader if/when Motorola gives them the opportunity to?
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
At the end of the day it comes down to the carrier, and I believe if you are with AT&T like me, you are screwed. Moto can unlock all the bootloaders they want to save face and look good to the public, but I don't see AT&T allowing it.
[Atrix 4G General] ndevries64:
My guess is that they would follow suit with AT&T, but that's just a guess...
[Atrix 4G General] donniesd:
lol

Where is a foot in mouth picture when you need one.
[Atrix 4G General] darkamikaze:
no. I signed. What I'm talking about is how you guys keep blasting the guy who said that the petition does nothing. Technically all we have are words no actions. So what I'm saying is that I won't blast the guy until I actually see Motorola do something.
[Atrix 4G General] kane4fire:
Actually the announcement of the update policy does not apply to the Atrix since the announcement was made AFTER the Atrix debuted and it only applied to future Android devices.

There are very big hurdles to get over for our Atrix's to be unlocked. The way everything was stated, there is no clear sign that our devices will get the unlock - especially with AT&T being involved.

Don't believe it until it happens...until then just keep pushing
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Your assumption is absolutely correct, it could be in a Android update 2.3.3 > 2.3.4 or in a maintenance update 4.157 > 4.183

So I'm still working on more, but ICS was mentioned for the Atrix, but we'll see what happens when google announces it.
[Atrix 4G General] Mgamerz:
Not to be a pessimist... but at&t didnt allow sideloading, so im not going to hold my breath for this.

Sent from my Motorola Atrix 4G on the network with the most backhaul, whatever that is. This post might have errors as I hate touchscreen keyboards.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
I completely understand where you're coming from.

I am now working the AT&T angle. I'll let you know how I go.
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
Let me know, you know I'm in.
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
You think at&t will be the only ones we will have to petition
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
They're allowing it now though. Right?

Swyped from my Motorola Atrix 4g using XDA Premium App
[Atrix 4G General] kdoodle:
I sent AT&T an email

That was the response I got when I emailed AT&T. I called their CSR and got a level two tech on the phone as well and received the same answer. They refuse to support an unlocked boot loader.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
That's messed up dude. I've sent an email to the exec team, so we'll see what we get back.

If they also refuse, then we go to war!

Edit: after re-reading your post, it looks weird how they have referred to boot loaders, this makes it quite confusing.

Boot Loaders exist. Doesn't matter if AT&T doesn't think they're supported. There's no way to boot your phone with out a boot loader.

I believe that they might mean they have no technical support for boot loaders. So you might not be able to get help if you call AT&T.

Once again, let's wait and see.
[Atrix 4G General] Mgamerz:
That was my impression. For a level 2 tech that's pretty bad understanding of android. Im not sure what a bootloader does entirely, but I know it loads the kernel.

Here's hoping the the best, bracing (lol?) For the worst

Sent from my Motorola Atrix 4G on the network with the most backhaul, whatever that is. This post might have errors as I hate touchscreen keyboards.
[Atrix 4G General] Semseddin:
I can understand AT&T to a degree why they wouldn't support phones with unlocked bootloaders. A phone with an unlocked bootloader will be totally customized and the phones lifespan will probably be shorter cause of bricks and other hacks. Naturally, At&t will be in the position to replace these bricks, and i don't think that they would happily do it. Right ?

I would like to see a fair deal like " They should allow unlocked bootloader but the users who have unlocked their bootloaders should forget about warranty "

Sounds fair to me.
[Atrix 4G General] kdoodle:
Yea, I read that just now and it does sound off, but I know the phone call I made it specific that i was referring to the boot loader and they knew what it meant and even saying it'll void my warranty.

I'm pretty sure when they say boot loader unlocking or such they know what they mean, but I could be wrong.

As for the whole replacement thing. I know that Insurance replacement is done by Asurion, which is the same company T-Mobile uses, and warranty replacement is usually done by the OEM unless specified otherwise. The only time AT&T is involved in the replacement process is when the phone is less than 30 days old and there is some kind of hardware defect.
[Atrix 4G General] Semseddin:
Insurance replacement is whole different story. I am talking about AT&T subscribers warranty. I don't know how long they cover the warranty in Usa but in Turkey it's 24 months. As an AT&T Atrix owner in Turkey, my phone isn't covered with warranty anyway, so my "fair deal" might sound easier for myself. :)
[Atrix 4G General] xyrovice:
I apologize for a somewhat off-topic post, but in celebration of the arduous journey Atrix users have endured, let me show you just how far we've come, with the greatest degree of succinctness possible:

The first response to this thread:

And the most recent update regarding the petition's progress:

In the words of King Leonidas:
[Atrix 4G General] rjohnstone:
AT&T allows side loading on other devices, this is totally on Moto, not AT&T.

AT&T also allows devices with unlocked bootloaders on their network... again, totally on Moto, not AT&T.

Moto is trying to use the "where carriers allow it" as their out, but it flies in the face of what HTC and Samsung are doing.
[Atrix 4G General] bimmerboii:
Bell Atrix has sideloading. I guess its the carriers not moto
[Atrix 4G General] xyrovice:
+1

If I remember correctly, AT&T were the people who had to be convinced of the "Allow Sideloading" update the Atrix recently received.
[Atrix 4G General] kdoodle:
Side loading on AT&T is a recent change. Their original stance was to disallow side loading for " security" reasons of the user. The recent change of heart was because of Amazon's Appstore which required side loading as a means for app installation.
[Atrix 4G General] rjohnstone:
Yes, but it is on Moto to implement.

AT&T cannot enable this feature on any phones.
[Atrix 4G General] Mgamerz:
We licence (to own) phones from at&t. They have the final say. I don't see what people think to say otherwise. Its like having a cable box by moto, but having channels from comcast. Comcast gets the final say.

Sent from my Motorola Atrix 4G on the network with the most backhaul, whatever that is. This post might have errors as I hate touchscreen keyboards.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Truly awesome post!
[Atrix 4G General] kdoodle:
Well said by Mgamerz in the post after yours. AT&T is the client of Motorola, and therefore what AT&T says will go. Side loading disabled is at the request of the carrier. If AT&T wants side loading, and they do now, it has to be pushed from Motorola and then to AT&T for FINAL approval.

As we've seen with just about all non AT&T prior to Infuse 4G's release, there was no side loading disabled because none of the carriers cared about the ability to side load except AT&T.

AT&T has been pushing updates to several devices that allow side loading. HTC Aria is one of them, and I believe the Samsung Captivate is the other, but I can't confirm.

I'm not defending any of these companies, I just wanted you to know who is to blame. It's not Motorola alone.