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[Xoom General] RadDudeTommy:
i dont ssee why tthis had to get so fueled. I originally started with, does apple market to idiots? If you take a close look at that question, it does not insinuate that Apple is an idiot or that people that buy Apple is an idiot. It is a question towards their marketing and strategy.

Also no oone in this thread was offending any specific body of people.

Then here you come and just stir up a debate that was not there.
[Xoom General] Bukem75:
Welp, it's noon here. Gotta jet. You guys have fun. If there is another xoom coupon code, please send me a PM. I always miss them when Im out. =/
[Xoom General] justabrake:
Oh let me see this was released february 24th and today is march 5th it started out at $800 then they offered $207.coupon then a few days later offered another coupon for $100. now people on ebay is having a hard time selling these things

now lets see apple ipad 2 there selling these things before they hit market at astounding prices :p:p you could never loose buying an apple product it always holds a good value $$$$
[Xoom General] Bukem75:
Damn... almost logged off when I saw this post... All I will say is Kopi Luwak is running about 320$ usd a pound.
[Xoom General] RadDudeTommy:
Haha on that one.

No one here is trying to say Apple doesn't have a huge following. We all know they do.

The Xoom is a much more useful product for us that like to buy things, then not be told what we can do with it.
[Xoom General] theahlenius:
Someone's already said it but I'll say it again:

Apple makes great products. They get to the market first with a lot of things, and they usually do it with enough time to work out the bugs before hand.

I think what you mean to say though is that they market to casuals . Much more politically correct if you have to sum up Apple's marketing strategy.
[Xoom General] mcramer19:
Apple makes great products yes. That's in arguable. But the "it just works" campaign is a little silly. I have an issue with the way they monopolize themselves. Although it is a profitable business plan and I understand why they do it the "sheep" which I think is accurate do not see this and buy the product only because its "cool" to have an apple.
[Xoom General] bobdude5:
All we need is some quality apps and some quality commercials demonstrating those quality apps. Why google doesn't do this, i have no clue. Verizon and motorola did some pretty good advertising for their phones, but now they need to for their tablets. I get a lot less "is that an iphone" and more is that a droid because of them. Sure droid is still not the proper term for my epic 4g, but its alot better than is that an iphone.

Advertise google. I know you have the money and the skills.
[Xoom General] Neo3D:
My oldest brother, a very wise and wealthy business man, once told me, the world is full of ditch diggers.

It's sad but true.

I think it's our job to educated the masses. At least I try to educate the people around me. I've converted quite a few iPhone people by telling them, quite honestly, "you probably shouldn't get an Android phone, it has more things and does more things, but that also means you have to learn more things. Just stick w/the iPhone, it's easier."

It's kind of a subtle way of throwing down the gauntlet. Out of all these people, most had a hard time picking up Android the first two weeks, but after that, holy crap, they are the hugest Android fans and would never go back to their iPhones. :cool:
[Xoom General] Neo3D:
In truth, Apple is just lucky that this perception is still sticking with them. In truth, just surf thru iTunes and see all the product updates on all the apps except for the simple fart-type apps and you'll see in their update notes:

-more stable

-more stable

-more stable

What does this mean? iOS apps crash too, but iOS users have strong blinders on from the Apple marketing machine.

My gf's iPod Touch has plenty of crashes almost daily. Her smurfs game won't even start anymore and she may just lose all the work and time she put into it.
[Xoom General] verusevo:
You wanna know who APPLE markets to.. they market to EVERYONE. There's a reason why they are number #1. Everybody knows what their products are and what they do because Apple markets their wares that way. Look at an Ipad commercial: Catchy music with about a minute of different practical uses for a person using an ipad. Look at a XOOM commercial some male model walks up to a floating xoom and is encased in a giant metallic cocoon.... then ... Nothing dum dum dummmmmm!!!. How the **** do you expect to market anything to anyone without explaining what your product is and what it does. If noone had ever heard of a Xoom before and saw that commercial they STILL WOULDNT KNOW WHAT A XOOM WAS.

Second Apple announces a product and releases it A Few Weeks To A Month Later while the buzz is still churning. Everybody else announces their super ultra spec'd APPLE KILLING product that will be available.... IN ABOUT YEAR FROM NOW... which is also around the same time APPLE will be releasing the sequal to the original Product that is in fact on Par with or better than the Apple killer announced 1 year earlier.

ALSO... IPHONE, IPAD, IPOD, MACBOOK... you see a pattern here.. EASY to remeber product names. Its much simpler to walk into a store and ask for an Ianything than to go and ask for the PENTRIOL ZXP557-36QRZ25.

Its not that apple is mareting to idiots, its just everybody else who isnt apple is a Marketing Idiot.
[Xoom General] knut150:
+ 1 and I would like to add that is thanks to sites like this XDA that some people like myself (not a tech person per se) but an enthusiast of computers gets educated in this. Its because the support that I had found here I have learned to appreciate the openness of android. So when the question is made “is this an ipad?” I try to explain with examples what you can do with android and can’t with an apple product…and no I am not trying to convert anybody but educate the few that let you do that.
[Xoom General] destroyerbmx:
the only reason the ipad came out was to counter the android tablets that were in development. Thats why the first ipad sucked so bad, no camera only wifi, it was a rushed product to lay the claim on the tablet PC, I have apple fans telling me the ipad was the first tablet ever. The feed false claims, HP had windows tablets 2 years before but because apple laid the claim no one cares to research. I also was told apple invented touch screen with the iphone, again what about HTC out years before. Apple is so bad at creating false "revolutionary" claims, they try to patent finger gestures for the iPhone to stop HTC so these claims can becoe real. Its a shady company that I hope I am never forced to buy from. I like the make a quality product and let htat speak for itself business model more than bully and counterintelligence approaches of apple.
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
I'm gonna point a few things out.

1) The iPad came out because Apple saw a market that wasn't captured and they wanted to be first. They did it. Android tablets were on the horizon, but there has yet to be an Android tablet that is on par in market-share or mind-share and the 2nd version of the iPad just came out. (I don't care about specs, don't point that sht out, I'm talking market and mind share).

2) The first iPad may have "sucked" in your opinion, but it was millions of times better for 98% of people than the old clunky 5lb convertible windows tablets with resistive touchscreens and pen input. For all intents and purposes, the iPad was the first general consumer-oriented tablet device that worked like it should. Don't kid yourself into thinking Windows is good for tablets. I really don't think that the original iPad "sucked" that bad, when they sold 15million units in the last year... This time last year, what general consumer Android tablets were on the market?

3) The revolutionary part of Apple products is not that theyre first or whatever necessarily, but they're the first to do it well and make it easy for the general consumer to wrap their heads around.

Get real dude. I love Android but you're just bashing for the sake of bashing. Feel free to flame me for somewhat sticking up for Apple but man get your head around this.
[Xoom General] harsaphes:
What a silly bunch of drivel this all is. One thing is not "better" than another. My favorite isnt yours and my best isnt your best. Apple makes amazing products. Whether you like them is up to you. Apple certainly does not market to lazy or stupid people or whatever term you prefer. Some of the smartest most creative people/businesses in the world use Apple products. I like my ipad alot...do I "love" it, no, but it gets the job done for me and thats all I care about. Yes Itunes sucks but it also gets the job done. I would certainly rather buy or rent a movie on Itunes, then spend the time loading and ripping a disk to put on my non apple device. That part of my life is over. Been there, done that.

Recently I bought a fully tricked out Macbook Air, my first Apple Computer. I have to say it was the best retail experience Ive had in a long long time. The salesgirl explained every option available, took me to the register, rang up the product, took me to a table, opened the box, setup the email ect and went over everything, even though I told her this was not needed and I had plenty of computer experience. She was polite, had a great sense of humor and was a pleasure to deal with. More stores need to run things this way. If having a great customer experience and selling a great product is marketing to Idiots than count me in.

Oh heres my gear list.

Home built pc tower.

Store bought SFF from Maingear.

Nexus One

Nexus S

Iphone 4

Macbook Air......We all get along.
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
This is where I'm at. I can't stand these people that draw the line in the sand between Android and Apple, as if you have one then you can't have the other. I have a MacBook Pro (but yes I run BootCamp windows on it time to time), an iPod Touch, and an Android phone. I like using them all, and honestly they all do something great for me. Just because I have an Android phone doesn't mean I have to hate Apple. Stop all this blind bashing its really annoying.
[Xoom General] ChongoDroid:
Haha same iPod 4, Mac mini, nexus one motorola xoom they all get along fine but I am android fanboy to the bone and can say that the dust on my ipod4 has reached 7mm lol its just not fun keeping that device up to date... too much work

Sent from my Google Phone
[Xoom General] dadoc04:
I have the exact same devices and agree 100%

Sent from my HTC Evo
[Xoom General] dota-lina:
Apple nowadays is just like BMW,certainly their stuff is good, but people buy them for the reputation rather than its function.
[Xoom General] RadDudeTommy:
My only point in making this thread is to say, like i've said previously:

Apple makes idiots out of computer users by enabling the ability to be.... well an idiot. To not have to learn anything about your device. How many people have an idevice, and don't even know how to do a soft reset? Lots.

Am I saying Apple is a **** product maker? No. Am I saying Apple is stupid? Kind of. Do I hate Apple? No, I love my (jailbroken) iPhone. and my 80 gig iPod Classic. Straight up.

But what I do want to clearly state, that the idiots like this, that Apple is allowing to happen on a larger scale, is allowing apples slow takeover.

I'm not conspirocy theorist.

But I do know when something gets to big. And I know its not good for the general public, which I am apart of.

So to put it into one sentence for everyone. Learn to use your **** enough to realize Apple sells you a device, then sells you out for a dollar.

Billions in fact.

Look at google, making it easy for every man involved in making a tablet and its market successful.
[Xoom General] dota-lina:
certainly there are people buying android because they hate apple. like me:D

but i will consider an apple device once they dont have those stupid restriction any more.
[Xoom General] xlGmanlx:
Apples best skillset is marketing. They make folks want to buy the same prducts over and over with minimal changes. Their second best skillset is their ecosystem but the primary benefactor will always be apple. I am fine with this I just choose to not be in it.
[Xoom General] Pazzu510:
We have always been minority. XD

BTW: when they ask you about if it is an ipad just tell them:

No!!, the ipad is a giant cellphone with no phone calls and this is between a netbook and a notebook but with phonecalls.XD
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
What I hate is no matter what you say they just look at you like your a second class citizen with that "we all know apple is the best" stare!

Like if you show them an android product and open up a file manager you have already lost them, they respond: "Well why should you have to do that?".
[Xoom General] Sto_Padrone:
Not trying to troll, but wanted to point out the irony in this.

Then

To each their own, but this hand-holding is exactly what bothers me. This is not IMO an example of amazing customer service.

I dread a vison I have of an imaginary land where Apple products are majority market share. In this world everyone has become Apple-ized, and no longer takes an interest in their own hardware or how it "works". What happens when something goes wrong now? Who do you turn to? If everyone had become Apple-ized then your friendly resident PC tech is no longer available, you will have to bring it to an Apple Store and pay exorbitant prices. Closed ecosystem and ignorant customers are not a good thing.

One last thing. Why does everyone say Apple makes amazing products? Amazing how? Aesthetically... sure, but does anyone here actually repair Apple products? I do, and they are no better than anything else I work on (in some cases much worse).

I even hate the iPod for stagnating the progression of audio fidelity. We went backwards from CD's. Who needs highly compressed lossy crap anymore? In the 90's it was a good thing...

I hate Apple, but respect them for their marketing genius.
[Xoom General] Nospin:
In a perfect world, everyone would be tech savvy and understand the policies Apple enacts and stands for. My guess is that a majority of people would disagree, especially the latest in app purchasing bs that raises prices for everyone.

But the majority of people don't care, they want a device that's cheap and requires zero thinking to operate. Add that to the huge deal the media makes every time they release a "revolutionary" device and you have a public that goes nuts. We can debate how wrong the average consumer base is all day, but Apple knows how they think. And in the end that's all a company needs to do.
[Xoom General] nydiesel:
Well put. Then those people go to work and have to do mail merges and print labels and constantly call their tech support and ask "how do I align the labels?" Or other questions that they should know to do their job. And call again and ask the sane questions over again. So happy I moved to the network department. I don't need to deal with that anymore.

Apple is good. I think I can get a better PC equivalent for the money and throw Linux on it. But that's me. Point is Apple appeals mostly to people that can't understand technology. In 2011, that is sad. Most people can't learn computer skills to do their own jobs. Apple is fortunate to have those people. Not referring to all apple users.
[Xoom General] mywingtophone:
ipad is not marketed for idiots ,ipad user are smart buyer who knows a good product , its actually the xoom buyers who are the idiots for buying POS. :D
[Xoom General] harsaphes:
Having a sales person help you with your purchase is not making anyone stupid. Yes for me it was a waste of time, but for anyone else its a great experience. Any company with a B&M store could learn a thing from Apple. I call it the Ghettoing of America. I go into store after store and encounter sales people who not only dont want to wait on you, they have no knowledge of the products they sell and they dont give a sh-t about their jobs. All of us on XDA are a small, small select group of people that are interested in our gadgets beyond what they are sold to us for. The rest of the world could care less about that. Thats the cold hard truth and its not going to change. Android might be the coming of the giant but I bet almost everyone who bought an Android phone this year didnt root it or doesnt even know what that means. Not only that, they dont even know you can change the screen around and customize it! I encounter people all day long who know nothing about their Android device. They are no smarter or clever than the person who has an Iphone. Just saying.
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
I know just as many people clueless about their Android Phone as I do that are clueless about how to use their iPhone. People who don't even know you have to use iTunes to transfer music over. All they do is buy apps and run them.. so those same people would have no problem with Android.
[Xoom General] original00:
First, you need to stop referring to people as idiots because they do not have the same enthusiasm for tech/point of view as you do (very childish and rude). You do realize that different people have different interests and people don't have to be tech enthusiasts/nerds/geeks to buy a product that fulfills a need. This is like saying people buying cars are idiots because they aren't car enthusiasts.

As has been said many times...people buy Apple and continue to buy apple because their products WORK they way they were intended. Apple caters to the mass market and no other tech company understands their customer base as well as Apple does and other comapnies need to need to watch and learn (as was reported about Samsung in the news)
[Xoom General] Eclair~:
This.

Apple products works.

Apple products are polished, sleek, and beautiful.

Apple products have amazing battery life.

Apple products are made out of quality materials

Apple markets perfectly.

Apple products are simple.

Everything they do works, is simple to grasp, and is completely functional the way it is. And this strategy will continue to work. Ignore it and drink your green cool-aid.

However, HTC, and some other Android manufactures cover some of these points as well.
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
You should add a * to all of those points.... as they are opinion.

I've had issues with every single one of those points with apple products (aside from the marketing). I was an apple fanboy for a very long time. I'm now back to the PC and only android.
[Xoom General] verusevo:
So your sayin its not good for the general public that apple has almost singlehandedly encourged millions of people who would otherwise be in the dark about how to use computers in the first place due to the limited support and very technically detailed operation of some other ecosystems. Quite frankly i think its great that alot of people become computer users simply because of how easy it is to use apples products. Then they can take that enthusiasm a step further and learn about other OS and products that utilize them at their own liesure. Remember the first step is always the hardest and apple makes that first step easy as pie.

Seriously Imagine LINUX(Ubuntu even) trying to sell computer systems at apples premium prices in its current ecosystem. Theres a reason why Ubuntu is FREE.

Some people like to drive their cars, some people like to work on their cars. Some people like to eat their food, some people like to cook their own food.

some people like to wears their clothes , some like to make their own clothes.

apple doesnt make idiots, apple just makes idiots true colors shine.
[Xoom General] mywingtophone:
the first gen ipad although its outdated with slower cpustill runs faster and play better than the xoom and thats a fact. Ipad 2 will crash the xoom single handedly.

2011 IS THE YEAR OF THE IPAD2 :P

Im done typing on my xoom and still waiting for the period to show up...................lol what a pos.
[Xoom General] gigglebox:
For what its worth, I had seen in another thread that this clown had been reported by a bunch of folks and now that I clicked through to see all of his posts, I can see why.

He's done a fair job of starting new (negative) threads under the guise of frustration with a new device, when in reality, he's chimed in on nearly all conceivable negative posts. It didnt take much reading to see that he almost certainly does not own a Xoom. He is simply here to jerk everyone around. If I were to guess, I'd bet on him wanting to build the perception of "lots" of people complaining about their devices to the casual reader... Browse the board, see a ton of threads that appear to be by disgruntled Xoom owners, and come to the conclusion that the device has more problems than it actually does...or at the very least that those of us who have bought it are generally more unhappy with it than we are.

Pretty lame. In any event, just report him. He's a tool and is degrading the usefullness of this forum.
[Xoom General] keitht:
The moderator of this forum is deaf.
[Xoom General] mywingtophone:
I know truth hurts....... denial is anormal defence mechanism that cant accept defeat. :D
[Xoom General] the_scotsman:
I'm not....
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NZtechfreak:
Hi everyone,

I'm going to be writing a review when the SGSII comes out for the Clove blog, interested to know what questions everyone has for the review, and what they want to see demoed on video.

Let me know and I'll try to get through everyones questions in the review.

Will be a slightly different slant on the review than places like Engadget, in that I'll actually be using the phone as my fulltime handset, so if things like the GPS are amiss I should be far less likely to miss it than those reviews (real user feedback as it were).
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] martino2k6:
Great news! Here are a couple of things I'd like to know:

1) Battery. How much does it last under different circumstances? So, WiFi on/off, NFC on/off, display brightness and so on. I know that making all possible combinations between all these options is impossible, however at least something indicative of how long the battery lasts in day-to-day use would be nice.

2) Heat. Does it really get so hot?

3) Graphics performance. Can you play Tegra 2 games on it? How well do they play and what are the graphics abilities of the device (so far we saw sub-par graphics benchmarks which were most likely due to the drivers so it'd be interesting to see whether anything has been done with that)?

Thank you in advance.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NZtechfreak:
Thanks for your questions, gaming and battery life will definitely be covered (I'm also interested to know whether the Tegra Zone games will run on it, that said for all I know the first ones to ship could be Tegra based anyways), good question about how much the device heats up.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BoostedSR20:
I'm mostly interested in general performance, such as browsing speed, flash speed, installing apps, (especially multiple updates on the market) any lag anywhere etc.

Also talk about the screen, would be nice to see it compared in depth with a SGS.

Also any chance you could install a 3rd party launcher and compare overall speed/lag/features etc with TouchWiz?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] virussnake:
first and foremost i'd like to know when you will be getting the device.

do you have anything more specific than mid-late march?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MikeyMike01:
Use it for more than 30 seconds, like the SGS reviewers didn't. Otherwise they might have noticed the lag, gps, etc.

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