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[Epic 4G General] bjhill2112:
This.

Also, just flashed from the Deodexed EB13 w/ Genocide. I thought that was nice and smooth - no issues with it. Well... holy ****. Hats of to you guys - both the Bonzai team and the ACS team.
[Epic 4G General] nicholishen:
Just for safe measure, I re flashed stock eb13, re-rooted, and flashed syndicate. The market is crashing in landscape. Going back to Bonsai.
[Epic 4G General] sndtubes:
I vote for bonsai mainly because it is very automatic as mentioned above. It backs upfor you and reinstalls your apps. Nothing to do after flashing except enjoy the phone. I have used many roms and I can say bonsai is far and away the best I've used. In all fairness I haven't used syndicate in a while. IMHO you can't go wrong with bonsai
[Epic 4G General] iSaint:
Just made it 50-50

8D

Lol they are both great
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I tried Bonsai today and missed syndicate too much. I had to go back as soon as K0nane uploaded.
[Epic 4G General] cberrios:
Bonsai is the only one I tried so far and honestly it meets my requirements...

:cool:
[Epic 4G General] burgerpimp07:
Both bugs fixed in the newest upload.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I like to experiment with my phone. I think it's been flashed over 100 times by now. Poor thing. Atleast you can sleep at night knowing it isn't neglected.
[Epic 4G General] ae69ae:
Bonsai is FAST!

Installing it is easy.

It turns On and Off fast.

They removed all stuff noone uses.

My battery has increased ALOT.

All my games play smooth.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
+1 on the installing easy.

I don't know if Bonsai has this, but I really like the 1x icon for 2G, it gives me a good grasp on my network coverage.
[Epic 4G General] Isira:
Nope, no 1x icon on Bonsai.
[Epic 4G General] futureprospect:
I haven't tried bonsai, but I'm on syndicate now (1.0.1) and it fc's yelp, movies, flixter, camera, wired tethr, and a bunch other apps, as of this post. Hopefully it gets sorted out. I may switch...
[Epic 4G General] rygran87:
Did you flash from full EB13 first? A lot of people miss that and it causes issues like this. Also never restore system data from a di18 or dk28 even, using titanium backup (or other backups) on eb13. I learned the hard way, that causes big problems.
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
To many force close problems on acs. I've loved bonsai since dk28. Very easy install too. Benchmarks are just about the same. I ran alot.of benchmarks on acs 1.0.1 and bonsai 3.0.1 and bonsai won by an average of like 10 points on smartbench. Pretty much tied on the other benchmarks

Sent From My Evo Killer!
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
I had a clean install. Trust me they force close

Sent From My Evo Killer!
[Epic 4G General] rygran87:
I've been reading the rom thread. I see now the new version has fc bugs. That sucks...
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
Even with a clean install you have to sometimes wipe the app data or re install the app then reboot so they will not fc and work correctly. These things are very finicky at times.
[Epic 4G General] epic4GEE:
This and also all the other great roms the xda epic devs give us. Nice to see them all helping each other and sharing. This will only make every rom that much better, than it's previous version. Great times I say!!
[Epic 4G General] richse:
Wired tether and the camera are working just fine so that's most likely a problem on your end. I suggest you reinstall make sure you apply the tether fix. The yelp and movies fc are known and I'm sure k0nane will have a fix out soon. For me at least, ACS 1.0.1 is so clean and fast I can't see myself using anything else.
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Im on latest Syndicate,no fc's and its fast as CM6!

Anyone that dont have 100 percent no fc's,fast and smooth Syndicate simply didnt flash right or used backup apps(which is always a bad idea).

First Syndicate version did have some fc's in browsers but not this one-all my 20-30 apps work.

This rom is so nice that even if CM6 was fully functional I still wouldnt switch.Im keeping this one untill Syndicate GB comes out,lol.
[Epic 4G General] richse:
Actually, the movies and yelp apps are fc for everyone so that is an actual issue. That's the only thing I think is consistently a problem for everyone so far.
[Epic 4G General] ryno502:
Both are great, but I gotta give a slight edge to ACS here.

The Market and E-Mail bugs have been fixed, by the way.
[Epic 4G General] futureprospect:
I can live without movies, flixster, nook, etc.

But my Camera and Music Player Fc's in an instant! And those, i use all the time. \

I came from stock eb13, backed up apps/data with Mybackup root, went CW3 Ext4, wiped all data on phone, then flashed this.

Did i miss a step here?
[Epic 4G General] SpartanVissepo:
ACS baby all the way!!

Sent from my slick and sexy Epic
[Epic 4G General] futureprospect:
Well, apparently if you use Mybackup root and restore your apps, most of them will NOT work. So i reinstalled from Market all my apps and they work now, except....yelp and flixster.

Also, the camera works now after switching to a different sd card.
[Epic 4G General] futureprospect:
Oh, and imo the stock alarm clock was better than the ACS Syndicate alarm clock. The ACS is more of a dock alarm clock. The stock alarm was more a phone alarm clock.
[Epic 4G General] Dubar:
I've tried both and I get better (placebo?) battery life on Bonsai. The backup apps feature is nice but its not 100% reliable so I still use titanium/nandroid just to be safe

Edit: also on syndicate (haven't used the new .1) I was getting the charge while off freeze. Not the case on bonsai. This is especially annoying when I three finger with the charger plugged in and have to pull the battery.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
All the issues I've seen referenced so far have been ironed out with fixes in the Syndicate ROM. Now that it's running flawlessly it will be my permanent ROM (until the next version anyway). I tried Bonsai as well it's great too. It came down to personal preferences such as Bonsai using quickpic instead of gallery, I'm a Launcher Pro user and ACS strips out the uneeded touchwiz, I like the blue theme going on with the transparent notification, etc.
[Epic 4G General] futureprospect:
Yep. I just flashed their app fix for yelp and fixster. Both work now. There are some that are still experiencing wired tether issues.

Thumbs Up to Syndicate ROM.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
I had wired tether FC issues before the patch. After the patch it would load OK but give some sort of error when I activated tethering saying to try again. Once I cleared data for and force stopped wired tether in the applications -> settings it's worked great ever since.
[Epic 4G General] futureprospect:
My wireless tether works perfectly. And i have PDAnet that works perfectly too. There was no need for me to patch the wired tether fix, so i just uninstalled it.

This rom is fast(er) than stock rom. i'll post back in a few days with battery results.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
According to koane and mysterys emotion they say its not that hard to fix that on bonsai, i might talk to mysteryzemotion this weekend and get that working on bonsai, i guess they use smali or something to modify that..

Bonsai had been great for me since day 1 on dk28 and am very comfy on it and dont like flashing a lot of roms...
[Epic 4G General] gmorf33:
both are great roms and i'm thankful both teams are working together to put out the best ROMs they possibly can :D I'm using Bonsai, but i'm not going to put a vote to either one because of the shared work that went into them. My vote goes to "team opensource" ;)
[Epic 4G General] ghmacdonald:
What are the basic differences between the two??

Love this thread. Was unhappy that the OTA was ended before they got to me. I did manage to download both of of the OTW before they were taken off Samsung's website. I ended up messing up my 2.1 system and used the PC download to get up and running again. I have routed (sp?) because I didn't have a full backup and had to rebuild the system. I have read about some of the problems some people are having with EB13 ROM so I have been thinking about flashing something else.

Well my question is: What are the basic differences between Bonsai and Syndicate ROMs?

Thanks for any information in advance.

George
[Epic 4G General] 9kracing:
Syndicate 1.0 was substantially faster than 1.0.1, but it's nice to have a working ROM at least now.
[Epic 4G General] redram38:
No FC for me on the market. I have only tried Syndicate and it has been great as I am sure Bonsai is. I used it before ext 4 and it was also Great.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I can't get used to the modified Touchwiz dock. I like the stock look. :P
[Epic 4G General] xTmDarren:
I just tried both and it looks like im staying with Syndicate for now.. I so want to go with Bonsai but its missing a few small things I love about syndicate.. :cool:
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
The kernel in 1.0.1 is at 1ghz by default! Use SetCPU to crank it up.

And there are no FCs in 1.0.1 after you flash the clearly-marked fixes in the second post.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
FC issues are 100% fixed, see the second post.
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
My vote goes to Bonsai cuz..... Mammon still uses #% display icon while battery is charging! But ACS also has very solid builds with minimal eye candy and real beef under the hood which i've always preferred to over heavily themed ROMs that has little core features.
[Epic 4G General] burgerpimp07:
That's the reason why you pick bonsai over syndicate? haha
[Epic 4G General] showmrock:
Bonsai is great....but ACS just feels snappier and I love it has wifi tether ready to go....my one HUGE issue with ACS is that when I tried to boot into bootloader using quickboot it hangs at Samsung screen and wont come out unless you battery pull, 3 button death grip, and reboot from cwm
[Epic 4G General] JudasD:
Why have a thread like this? They both rock! What is better Ferrari or Lamborghini? Peanut Butter or Chocolate?

I voted just to try and get the stats to read 50/50 :P

JD
[Epic 4G General] epic4GEE:
^ yeah I wasn't going to vote on this mainly because I haven't ran frozen yet, but really loving bonsai. So I just did the same as you Judas and made it one vote closer.......hehe
[Epic 4G General] olemil4me:
i am running fully loaded syndicate and love it great battery life no issues what so ever and score over 2400 on quadrant
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
They are both excellent roms. I suggest you try them both and make your own decision. They both share some software as the Bonsai & ACS teams collaborated on both their recent releases. There are some differences under the hood which may or may not be an issue for you.

I do Bonsai beta testing so I'm probably more aware than most about the differences. The only major difference is that Bonsai does the wiping for you and restores your apps during rom installation. This difference can cause FC problems, but are usually easily dealt with by deleting the app data.

Both roms sometimes need to be flashed twice if you experience a lot of FC's.

Sent from my Bonsai version 6.0.3. ;)
[Epic 4G General] caspertodd:
I've used both, and love both of them. There are some other great ones out there too though..specifically, Midnight and ViperRom.
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
Both are great, so IMO, it comes down to the theme, and what you like best.

I tried Bonzai, but it lacked to many of the theme stuff from the Frankenstien ROM I love.

I am fully willing to trade off a bit a speed, to get a look I like better.

Gonna have to give both another try when I get some spare time, as both seem to be great builds.
[Epic 4G General] dranian:
syndicate

i havent tried bonsai but i just spent like 8 hours getting the new ACS release to work, i had a lot of problems but now that it's working i love it and after investing that kind of time in it i think i'll stick with it for a while.
[Epic 4G General] abrcrmdl23:
I am using bonsai 4.0 and would have to vote for it currently. I used to run syndicate on eclair and it was amazing by far the best 2.1 rom out there, but when i updated to the new frozen i had nothing but issues flashed numerious times did all the wipings but couldnt get it to work stabilly. Flashed bonsai to try it out on 3.0 and have upgraded to all the concurrent upgrades there after no issues love it.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Please do give SRF a try again some time. If you have any issues, stop by IRC and we'll help out in real time.
[Epic 4G General] abrcrmdl23:
I'm sure i will get bored here soon and i was trying the first edition of the eb13 frozen so i will defenitely give it a try here soon. I'll let you know if i have any problems thanks.
[Epic 4G General] redtear210:
I've used the 2 roms,they are all prefect!I prefer BONSAI.:p
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
Syndicate. Why cuz it is very fast, smooth, I will say people that are having problems are missing something. I flashed 3 versions of their roms with zero issues everytime. The trick maybe to only restore apps only no data. The only reason to use bonsai is the modded touchwiz which I've gone to adw. Another reason for syndicate is tons of support for this rom HERE ON THIS SITE almost 24/7 I do not approve of OFF SHORING. I am a member of this site don't try to make me sign up for your website for any reason. I don't care its bs and they need to be true to xda. So syndicate all the way.
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
I've changed my vote from Bonsai to Syndicate because I personally do not support "donation-warez" developers. :p
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
They are both great Roms, but SRF has a few more features baked in
[Epic 4G General] omair2005:
both roms are good. At the end of the day, you want flawless video streaming, good battery life, responsiveness, and good rendering. Both offer it, plus some other roms ;)
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
I'm curious as to how you changed your vote in a poll? Whenever I try and do that the system won't let you. I also get annoyed when anyone starts using the term "warez" with anyones rom around here as the connotation implies that they are using illegal cracked software. I find this particulary annoying when Randy_T is a very long time supporter of open source systems.

Sent from Bonsai 7.0.3
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
Having run both, I've noticed that data between these two ROMs are not compatible (at least in my case). Going from one to the other requires fresh clean data, or they won't run to their potential. One way to get around this is to use nubecoders Backup/Restore tool to make working data sets for both ROMs.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=951269&highlight=nubecoder

Example: Say you are currently running Bonsai. Use the tool to backup your Bonsai data and move the backup to a safe place on the sdcard, then flash SFR with clean data. Once you get everything set up on SFR, use the tool to backup again and then move the data backup to a safe folder on the sd. In doing this, you can test the latest and greatest from both teams.

As far as the whole "loyalty" to XDA thing goes, I do not understand this. I personally enjoy having more than one outlet for development. I am a member of SDX as well and sometimes miss the lack of drama that the smaller sites have. There is a wealth of knowledge and devs there but many of the folks there just don't want to deal with all the crap that comes with bigger sites like xda. If skeeterslint and noobnl (also sdx members) didn't start posting over here, I probably would have never set up an account on xda, and I'm glad I did. So I welcome another and as many outlets as possible. Why hold yourself back? I understand xda is a business and they need to protect their assets, hence the need for rule #11. They make advertising dollars here and the people paying for that advertising don't want folks redirected to another site with separate advertising. I get that. No big deal. I'm pretty sure Bonsai team is over it. Everyone else should get over it too.

Also, Bonsai is not "Donation-Warze". No one is required to donate, and I can assure you that it follows the GPL to a T.
[Epic 4G General] Mutiny32:
Where can I find the Bonzai sources?
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
Check the wiki.
[Epic 4G General] Mutiny32:
I stand corrected.
[Epic 4G General] splashmktg:
Works on mine w/ Bonsai 4.01. It also worked on 3.1 and 4.0.
[Epic 4G General] splashmktg:
I'm confused. I am a member here, PPCGeeks and on the Android Forum. I downloaded Bonsai 3.01 here and wasn't asked for a donation. I joined Bonsaigeek's site and downloaded 4.0 there. They still didn't ask for money anymore than developers here always suggest a donation if your appreciate their work. I did give them $5.00 though to show my total satidfaction with the developement. How much does everybody think all these developers make off their roms on a per hour basis?

I now have 4.01 and it is even better. I am going to stay with Bonsai for the forseeable future as I can't imagine a faster or smoother rom unless it comes from their team. They are just asking for your email and the site is a great place....just my two pesos worth. I ued to like PPCGeeks better than XDA as they seemed nicer with my Touch Pro2 CDMA but now I use all of these sources now.

You don't really have to switch sides, you know. I'm here, I'm there. Lot's of room for everyone. One thing I can say for sure is I hate having to go through Multiload and the others to download here. I prefer Bonsai's way.
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
it's ok, I understand your biasness being a supporter of Bonsai and your attempt discredit my opinion by pointing out semantics in my statement, but that fact remains that even XDA agrees with my feelings on this. Ergo, closed Bonsai treats. :p

it's not uncommon for devs in other sections of XDA to re-route users to their own site for accessing such resources. What I personally don't believe in is having people "donate" to beta/bug test for early access to those products. They know there is a certain percentage of impatient people willing to pay... ahem, donate for that so called luxury :rollseyes: and/or pass it off as "support" for their products. That I don't find it "personally" acceptable. Open-source is about sharing knowledge and code in the community. To me, unless you're the originator of said code, you have no right to modify someone else code then charge for it yourself. As XDA has stated in this matter in regards to that topic, that is what a job is for.

back in the day, I also recall PPCgeeks frowned upon donation buttons and what not for these same reasons XDA does.

Simply put, this is just another crack dealer tactic to prey off of "flash-whores".
[Epic 4G General] AndyC43:
Works for me too.
[Epic 4G General] bcegielski:
ok my vote is for bonsai because it has been the most stable and smooth running rom that i have used and trust me i have used alot! The fact that they ask for a donation is neither her nor there because the op just wanted to know which one we think is better not what the developers are doing. Either way i didnt have to pay a dime to download bonsai and neither did anyone else for that matter. I for one am personally greatfull for all of the developers out here and all the hard work and time they put into making these roms so when i have the extra couple of bucks to throw their way i will defineitely do it with no second thought. It costs money to make these roms and keep forums going so i will always try to help when I can even though its not very often or very much. So thank you to all the rom developers out there making our lives easier and more interesting every day I for one appreciate you all!!
[Epic 4G General] smugface:
I have not tried Bonsai but have 3 phones running Syndicate and it runs smooth for all of us.
[Epic 4G General] MrNybble:
Vote for ACS

I tried Bonsai 3 and then 4 (registered and downloaded it) and kept coming back to ACS. Had way to many FC's and other issues.
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
Someone needs to tally the votes but I think syndicate is WAY AHEAD OF bonsai. Acs team is way cooler.
[Epic 4G General] nmoreman:
Too bad there isn't a split way to vote - I think they are both super, I think the support from both is great. I think the way they work with other developers is outstanding. They both work and support on this foruma as well as others (even though there is some type of issue with Bonsai here, don't know, don't care).

They and their teams spend countless hours, unpaid, doing things that Samsung and Google should do for us, then sharing and helping users like myself.

I have used Bonsai and Bonsai based themes and everything worked great.

Had issues with phone, so decided while cleaning house to try Syndicate.

Really like it.

If you really wanted a true poll, you should do a comparison chart for "features" then we could vote on something quantifiable. But you didn't.

So honestly, its like driving a Mercedes or BMW to me in comparison to other roms. Both are outstanding, top of the line, fast, and efficient, so which has the personal tweaks that you like best.

Kuudo's to both.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Barrages of FCs are never caused by the ROM - no matter which ROM it is.

;)
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
You don't even know what your talking about. Just about every Tom you download the op has a link for donations. Its not required by no means. I don't see anywhere on bonsai website that says donations are required.

Sent From My Evo Killer!!!
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
Why do you always feel the need to down bonsai? U jealous. Show respect. If I remember correctly you have used bonsai rom before. I've seen a couple of your posts talking **** about bonsai. Keep it to yourself. Both teams are awesome and very well respected. Thank you.

Sent From My Evo Killer!!!
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
This. Third time I've asked you to tone down the rhetoric against others when supporting us, jbadboy2007... Next time, it'll be a mod.
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
Maybe not, but I do know bonsai's new website requires users to donate up front to gain access to 4.0.1 which is in violation of rule XDA #8. Hero_over all over again.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
How about for 4.0.1, Are donations required? I rest my case.

:rolleyes:

And why do you think XDA closed the bonsai treat? donations up front for 4.0.1 and no direct download to said item to XDA site for ALL members to access.
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
Bonsai treat was closed for non-compliance with rule # 11. (Redirecting users to another phone related site without providing a direct link)

Please stop spreading misinformation.

Donations are not required to download the latest release.
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
Show me the link where I can download 4.0.1 (lastest release) without having to "donate" on bonsai's site?
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
4.0.1 is not the latest release and probably won't be as the folks you called "flash whores" have helped find some issues that are already being worked out in the next beta. The latest stable release is 4.0.0.
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
which brings me back to my OP... donating/paying to beta/bug test a ROM is the users/flash-whores choice. Certainly seems backwards in the larger scheme of things IMO, but if that's how one see's life, more power to them. :p
[Epic 4G General] contradude:
I'm on bonsai v4.0.0 and I would love to help do test cases on the rom, but I'm a college student and really can't afford to donate at the moment. My choices at the moment are to either use syndicate and enjoy the rough around the edges, but awesome bleeding edge acs rom or use bonsai v4.0 which is also rough around the edges (which is strange for a bonsai rom). I'm very thankful to both groups and will continue trying both roms until one meets my needs fully.
[Epic 4G General] MrNybble:
Well, it didn't take long for this thread to turn nasty.