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[EVO 4G General] k2buckley:
Okay, lets compare it to something else. Could you easily grow some vegetables in your backyard? Do most people buy them from someone who grew it for them, or are they thinking, damn this is such a rip off, I could just pop a seed in some soil and water it? Can you make yourself scrambled eggs in the morning? sure. Do you sometimes go out to breakfast, and pay someone to cook them for you? Do you ask the chef what brand of toast it was on the plate, and if it was a brown egg or a white egg? Gotta give some cred to that chicken dude.

And as for learning how to root in 30 minutes, sure some people can. I'd say it takes longer than 30 minutes. But the thing you need to understand, is that straight up, some people do not want to know, or would just rather pay to have it done. My sisters boyfriend, he uses tethering all the time. He had me root his phone a few months back, just for the purpose of tethering. He didnt even want a custom rom or anything. Could he have googled how to root the evo and set up the tethering app. Did he want to? No. Even though he uses his tethering every single day, and he loves it, I promise you that he would've never took the initiative to do it himself. Never. He had no interest in it, but he does like the results of what was done. A service was done, his phone was improved. And when I tried explaining what I'm doing, he's like yea thats fine, as long as tethering works. Bottom line, some people do not want to know or care to know. They want the end result, and could give a eff less about how you got there. Most of the general public wouldnt even know what a ROM or kernel is.
[EVO 4G General] gokuman56:
Just think about it, why would a person post this on XDA? unless he's the person who wants to advertise.............
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
for the ones that .. give credit where credit is due.

when you go to the store to pickup a .. bottle of wine.

should they also tell you .. where you could have gotten it for a better price? do you expect that?

when you go buy some fruit.. should there be a sign .. to give credit to the farmer? do you expect that?

when you go get your ... oil changed...

should they tell you .. what brand and where you might get said brand for cheap and then tell you how to do it yourself? do you expect that?

when you go to burger king to get a burger... do you want them to tell you where you can get all the ingredents and show you how to cook them? do you expect that?

when you order a mix drink at the local bar...........

ok.. do you see how silly this thread is?
[EVO 4G General] starplaya93:
haha...

My main issue has and still revolves around people trying to make a quick buck off of somebody else's hard work which they put endless hours into FOR FREE... If i'm wrong for that, then so be it. You can use every analogy in the world, but simply put two wrongs don't make a right. If you're content with what you do, then that is fine with me...

Let's just agree to disagree.
[EVO 4G General] ramiss:
Ok, fine. You want a closer analogy... I can look up on Google how to fix my clothes dryer.

Have you seen how simple these things are? Its a motor a switch and a heater. Yet it is perfectly legit, and rightly so, for a repair man to charge me $100 in labor, after parts, to fix it.

And by the way...if I pay a guy to fix it, I really don't care to know "what he is doing".

You have to understand that the people on this forum come here to "do it themselves". We are talking about a completely different demographic, that can barely use the phone, and yet have got it in their head that they want it rooted.

What people are providing is a service for those that can't or won't.

Sent from my device.
[EVO 4G General] Smac7:
the man is a legend. lol. wow. reminds me of geeksquad charging 50 dollars to do a firmware upgrade on ps3, except rooting is harder than that.
[EVO 4G General] cam_hamlin:
I've rooted and tweaked plenty of my homeboys phones...never charged any of em...but i put in plenty of time and work doing so...so I think if someones willing to pay for those services by all means do so....I don't see a problem
[EVO 4G General] Semantics:
Rooting a phone isnt typing a bunch of **** into ADB anymore. Its hooking your phone up to the PC, downloading a couple of files, and clicking on a .bat file. If people want to charge to do that, thats great. I see people on CL with posts like *I want someone to root my phone*, or something along those lines. I immediately email those people and point them to XDA, and the one click root methods and tell them to save their money. I have helped four people who wanted to pay for their phone to be rooted, root their own phones, via email.

Again, my issue isnt people charging for services, thats how we survive. I do take exception to the way most of these CL posts are written, like they have some l33t hax and they came up with some awesome way to unlock your phone all by themselves. I also don't understand why everyone gets so up in arms about people saying you can use paid apps for free. Hotspot costs 30 dollars a month, when you root and tether, you are stealing every bit as much as some goofball with applanet on his phone.
[Android Apps and Games] familiarstranger:
I was wondering if there is anyway to tether an android phone to a mac to be used as a barcode scanner for programs like delicious library? I don't have a web cam for my mac mini, and was wondering if I could use my phone.
[Xoom Themes and Apps] smaskell:
Hey guys,

Does anyone know if there is a way to compile source code right on the device? I remember some people asking for this way back in the day but it wasn't really practical on such small devices. With a xoom and a bt keyboard though, it's almost as easy as using a regular laptop. I know there are a few different compilers for the iphone(c, c++, java) so I'm sure it is possible. I haven't seen anything but perhaps I'm just looking in the wrong places.

Thanks,

Samuel Maskell
[Xoom Themes and Apps] smaskell:
so I'll take that as a no..

I'd love to work on this but I wouldn't really know where to start

I do have some programming experience

but I don't really know anything about how compilers are made

besides a basic overview we did in my computer architecture course
[Xoom Themes and Apps] ZanshinG1:
In theory, if you rooted and installed ubuntu, you could install the dev toolchain/eclipse. But it's crappy enough on 2gb of memory, 1gb on the xoom would be ridiculous.

I installed Ubuntu/eclipse on my cr48. It's barely usable.

Developing for android requires a desktop.

That being said, sometimes I make small code changes and build from the cli on my cr48.
[Xoom Themes and Apps] smaskell:
Yeah, I really don't see eclipse running very well on a xoom

It doesn't even run that well on my desktop with 4gb of ram and 3.2ghz 6-core processor

like you said, developing for android requires a desktop

but I wasn't really thinking about making android apps on the xoom(although that would be awesome)

I'm mostly just thinking of simple cli programs

something like this would be great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BDylxLzUEM

Edit: skip to about 1 minute in. the first part is just him writing the code on his desktop and then copying the source file over to his iphone. I don't see any reason why he couldn't have written the code on his iphone though
[Xoom Themes and Apps] Hellburger:
Your best bet would be to setup a box (with your compiler) somewhere and SSH in. Edit file locally, push to box, SSH in, compile, pull results back.

If you don't have a *nix box handy, you can try something like Slicehost.
[Xoom Themes and Apps] smaskell:
that's actually not a bad plan

I use my school's computers to compile things through ssh sometimes anyways

still, I think would be pretty cool to compile right on the device

if it can be done for iphone, it can (and should) be done for android
[Xoom Themes and Apps] nindoja:
So you can compile applications using the NDK, but you still have to be on a non-Xoom box to do this.

In theory, it should be possible for you to cross-compile gcc for arm and push that to the xoom to do your compiling there. This is a bit more complicated, however, as you can't just specify --ARCH=arm to gcc's ./configure script.
[Samsung Mesmerize] akellar:
First off, welcome. I will try and answer what I can and some of the more experienced guys will surely throw in their thoughts as well.

Hope I helped some. Most important just make sure you read and re-read before you jump in.
[Samsung Mesmerize] bigmike88:
IMHO, I believe that if you are going to spend the money for the device, service and insurance, you deserve to have the latest software available and complete access to your phone. I'm not worried about warranties, (I'm not even sure how long it even is for this phone), cause I'm almost certain I will never have to use it because I have insurance in case of any unfortunate event. That part is entirely up to you. The roms and kernels available for the mesmerize on this forum are completely stable(from my experience) and are without a doubt worth any time put in understanding the processes involved. Just be sure you know what you are doing, read, reread and make backups. My two cents.

Hope this helps, and welcome to the xda forums; it's a pretty neat place.

Sent from my SCH-I500
[Samsung Mesmerize] ChromWolf:
Thanks to both of you!

So an update (for those actually watching and who care, haha):

I did end up deciding to root my phone, especially after bigmike's response. Yeah, why *shouldn't* I get to play with my new toy to the fullest extent? :D So I grabbed z4root, and I didn't even have to pull the battery, it just... did it. It was great. :D

I've been using Wireless Tether for Root users as my tethering app, and am in fact posting from my laptop in that way. Byebye Verizon aircard! I know it'll chew the battery up faster, but it means I don't need to actually physically tether, so I can keep USB Debug mode off and charge/transfer files that way. My laptop is always plugged in, so the phone should never actually die while wifi hotspotting. ...I didn't turn on encryption, but I did turn on access control, and I think I'll even scale back the broadcast strength of the phone's wifi while within Wireless Tether; the phone is literally inches from the laptop.

Still struggling with putting Voodoo on the phone... I need to find a good rooted-compatible file manager so I can see non-app files I put on my SD card from my SGS. After that I can follow bdemartino's Newbie Guide from step 2 (RomManager and CWM).

My trouble has been that the one that's recommended in his thread is a paid app, but is in Euros, and I can't seem to purchase it; just puts a hold on my account and looks like a suspicious charge to my credit card company. ....So, any recommendations on a preferably free, or at least USD-listed, root-compatible file manager?
[Samsung Mesmerize] bdemartino:
Keep in mind that the step you're referring to is for customizing your phone with 2.1, you don't need to do that if you're planning on going to 2.2 (EB16) Rom Manager isn't used for that process at all.

Unfortunately either way you will need a root file explorer (file manager with root access), but I'm not sure what you mean by having issues purchasing Root Explorer - it's listed as 4.02 USD on my phone... Anyway, all you need is a file manager with root access (just a quick search shows me that Ghost Commander File seems to be a good free alternative)
[Samsung Mesmerize] ChromWolf:
I suspect not yet. I think I'm going to hang about and wait for the official release---am I correct in understanding that, at least according to rumors, it's coming sometime in the next couple months? I'm friends with a USCC office employee, and that's what he seemed to think, but didn't know any specifics.

It's weird. It's listed the same on mine (~$4.02 USD), but then when I proceed with the purchase process, it changes over to €2.50 (I think is the equivalent value), and won't charge my credit card. It's *possible* they just flagged the purchase as suspicious because it's so small and from a source I don't usually purchase from, outside of the fact it's listed in Euros, but I can't be sure. It's also possible that it won't go through because it's a debit card rather than a credit card.

In any case, I'll give Ghost Commander File a try. Thankee sir!
[Samsung Mesmerize] bdemartino:
I'm not sure why you're even messing with your phone if you're going to wait? Having root gives you the access to the system folders/files, but nothing else really...

EB16 2.2 is completely stable and (IMO) is far superior to our customized 2.1 release (minus the fact that since we're waiting for official 2.2 source to make an undervolted kernel yet, it's not as battery efficient as 2.1)

Either route you go, we have an installation that will take you back to 2.1-update1 as if you just pulled it out of the box. (so long as you cleared your sd card) so you're able to go back to stock and then update to US cellulars 2.2 when it releases (which will be slow and full of bloat, so why wait?)

As far as your market issue, it sounds to me like the problem is on your credit card companies end - I purchase things all the time and they sometimes charge me in EURO or whatever else - but I have no issues.

If I were you, I'd do a hell of a lot more reading on the forums while you decide, because it doesn't sound like you've completely got your mind wrapped around all of it yet :) It takes time though....
[Samsung Mesmerize] ChromWolf:
I really only wanted to worry about rooting for two reasons.

First, I'd seen the lag issues being mentioned, and how I'd noticed it on my own phone. It's not *terrible*, but... it's there. So speeding things up with a lagfix was definitely something I wanted to worry about. I know I don't need to root to run Voodoo, but I was also concerned about having to worry about flashing a kernel onto the phone as opposed to just finding a simpler lagfix app; the ones I was seeing did require a rooted phone. I ended up not going with any of the other lagfixes as they just seemed less optimal than Voodoo, which is why I wanted to load that up.

The other big goal was to be able to tether (be it with cable or as a wifi hotspot), and I knew that depending on the app I went with, I might need to root. I ended up going with Wireless Tether, which does require a rooted phone.

That said, you're not wrong; if I found a wifi hotspotting app I liked that didn't require a root, I suppose I could take it off, but.... the tinkerer in me finally won out over that stick in the mud worried about warranties (see above). XD

That's another thing I need to keep in mind, which makes me wonder if I shouldn't change my plans and just go ahead with EB16 2.2. With the wifi hotspotting I plan to do, I cringe just a bit at having even less battery efficiency, but since the plan is to cable it to the laptop for charging while I'm doing that, I don't think I need to worry about it.

However, I seem to recall reading somewhere in the EB16 2.2 thread that Voodoo wasn't working with it yet...? Am I just making that up and/or has that been fixed...? I'm almost positive there was a reason other than "US Cellular is releasing the official one 'soon' " that made me want to wait on the leaked version...

I suspect you're right--my bank has rather a lot of security protections in place, which has been annoying in the past, but I'm sure the first time it saves me from some financial disaster I'll finally say I'm glad they're there. XD

Ouch, though I suppose the truth hurts. :P :) I suspect you're not wrong about that either though. but it's a lot to take in. I've never really worked with Linux, so I've got no base PC knowledge to draw from, and I still require a google/wikipedia visit for a lot of the terms thrown around here. XD

So yeah, if Voodoo works for EB16 2.2, maybe that should really be my next step. ....and by the looks of your guide, the next step after going to EB16 2.2 is to grab Voodoo, so I guess that answers that question. XD

I'll keep reading, but I think you're right, I'm starting to get a craving for Frozen Yogurt. ;)
[Samsung Mesmerize] akellar:
You are aware you have a 5GB data cap with USCC right? If you are planning on using tethering as your main internet source you could easily blow through that very quickly.
[Samsung Mesmerize] bdemartino:
As far as I know, you need to have root in order to flash anything through recovery, so you would need it to flash the voodoo kernel. Root seems more scary than it should, it does indeed "void" your warranty (if you were to turn the phone in with it still rooted) but the scarier stuff comes when you go to flash things, because that is where you can really mess your phone up if you're not careful.

As far as your knowledge, I come from the same background - 0 experience with linux. After about a month of reading and researching and actually looking into the .apk/.jar file types I was pleased to see that it was very similar to a PC. In fact, if you actually decompile the files it's mostly XML and Java script, packaged within the .jar/.apk file types.

I hope I didn't offend you with that comment, I just want to stress the importance of having an understanding of all of this before attempting any of it - as it seems people jump right into flashing as soon as they register on the forum - then come running when things don't work - so those comments are really more directed at the community in general.

And lastly, pay attention to what Akellar said in the previous post - as if you go over your limit they may look into "why" and see that you've been wirelessly tethering and may charge you for that service. We have had one guy admit that he did this and lucky for him the agent he spoke to was kind enough to cut the overage in half after he showed him the MOD's he did, lol - we all may not be so lucky so just be careful. 3G Watchdog is perfect for monitoring that.
[Samsung Mesmerize] ChromWolf:
Not that I've messed around with JavaScript or XML much... XD I was into the more web-based languages (if one could argue that's the primary use for those two) when it was... HTML3-4? I kinda got out of it, and never really kept up with playing with it. I'm sure I could work with the syntax and figure it out (eventually, LOL).

I'm applying aloe to my pride. ROFL XD But seriously, I happen to show a brief glimmer of wisdom and read the forum rules, which mentioned that users that speak different primary languages post to this forum, and that it's generally a good idea to take what's posted with a grain of salt since that's the case. I know we're both from the midwest, but it was still a good thing to remember. And like I say, you're not wrong, currently page 14/35 of the Froyo leak thread. XD

I can't help but have a small part of me think it's foolish to not be worried about it, but.... I've had an aircard with Verizon for 2 years now, and another of the big reasons my girlfriend and I wanted to get smartphones is so we could eliminate that bill entirely by being able to tether one way or another. I bring it to work every day as my internet while I'm here, and when we travel to Wisconsin or Illinois to see our respective families, it's my internet when I'm actually on my laptop there as well (more IL than WI, Dad is tech savvy and has his wifi setup). In the two years I've had the aircard, I've only ever piqued 2 GB of usage (heck, most of the time I can keep it just under 1 GB) was for a major World of Warcraft content patch *after* we'd left for Illinois, and then streaming Blizzcon while in WI when Dad's wireless was having issues.

Apart from that, we've got a local carrier's 25 MB download cable internet at home, so while it does get usage a fair amount of the time as far as hours of the day and days of the week, I'd still call the cable my "primary". I try and limit the youtubing and such to while I'm at home because, at least while I was using the aircard, it loaded too slowly anyway (bad reception in the building here).

That said, I'll still be trying 3G Watchdog, if for no other reason than I have no idea how having a phone with a data plan will change that dynamic.

Alrighty, back to reading the Froyo leak thread for me. Still looking for where Voodoo got okay'd for the Froyo leak, and maybe a link to the version that includes CWM pre-loaded. ;D
[Samsung Mesmerize] ChromWolf:
Sooo, I'm on page 26 of 32 of the Froyo EA11 leak thread, but I'm starting to actually wonder---*does* Voodoo work for this build yet? I mean, I see the [KERNEL] voodoo for eb11 fix release thread, but... it just sounds like it's not quite ready, or more to the point, not quite ready for a little nublet like me who's not looking to tweak, just run Froyo + Voodoo Lagfix as his lifeline phone...?

Also, what's the difference between EB11 and EB16? Just a build number of the versioning, kinda thing? What about the terms "AOSP" and "Showcase"?

Seems like you're right, I'm not quite ready to go flashing my phone until I know just which one I want to put on there, and whether or not Voodoo is supported yet. The guide says it is, but I haven't yet caught a post in the EB11 thread that says "okay guys, Voodoo kernel is now supported" or whatnot. Just got done reading through the thread, and it just suddenly switches over to people saying Voodoo works now. ...am I missing some conversation, like from the IRC channel or something? XD
[Samsung Mesmerize] akellar:
Again, nothing you read in the EB11 thread applies to the Mes.
[Samsung Mesmerize] bigmike88:
Eb11 is the build for cellular south's Showcase, the same model of phone as the mesmerize. The difference is in the software, ea11 and/or eb16 is what you want for the mesmerize. Ignore that thread unless you have a showcase. voodoo for the mez works fine, just no sound control or color fixes as there is no official source code to work on.

as for the wireless hotspot... You have nothing to worry about unless you go over your 5 gig cap. I watch net flix on my laptop via the hot spot sometimes and I don't think ive even reached 4 gigs..on top of my typical usage

Sent from my SCH-I500
[Samsung Mesmerize] bdemartino:
Akellar did a nice job answering your question, but I thought i would add that AOSP stands for Android Open Source Project, and as Akellar stated - it's the "stock android rom" meaning no other manufacturer changes to the software (such as touchwiz, etc.)
[Samsung Mesmerize] vicous707:
You should try the vanilla froyo its crazy fast!!! Because I got 2300 on quadrant!!!!
[Samsung Mesmerize] bdemartino:
....first off i'ts Vanilla AOSP froyo ;), and we don't yet have a release for the mesmerize.