yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k4ylr:
Unique circumstances. I don't have 3G where im at and im in class or the research lab nearly all day so it stays locked in my pocket with data off and it only comes on when I need it.

Im still calibrating it for heavy use so we'll see how much it drops down. I'll post a SS of the battery left widget.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nomadrider123:
a good program on the market is called Desktop VisualizeR
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s15274n:
Not EXACTLY what you are talking about, but here is a video I just uploaded. In the video description there is a link to some AMAZING icons.

[YOUTUBE]QM126NT0M3c[/YOUTUBE]
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZachLL88:
You rock s15274n, this helped me
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s15274n:
Awesome man, I didn't really do any of the hard work... so if you feel so inclined let the guys know who made the background/icons! Glad that it helped some though...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HRodMusic:
s15274n that helped me soo much.. its super nice =D
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcmicham:
You could try the main android theme thread. The first couple threads there is one that it dedicated just to icons. There are loads of them! It has instructions on how to get them on your phone to.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZachLL88:
Will do! Appreciate the little tips you give out here and there.
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] jinzo37:
Evenin ..

I cyaogenmod7 rc2 on my phone.

and I wanted to ask how I can make desktop points away?

these are the 5 on top of the edge ...
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] zexcrazy:
Go to adw settings and dissable desktop paginator.
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] jinzo37:
i can not dissable find :/

menu/adw launcher....

i find not categorie desktop-points...
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] 3xeno:
Settings > ADWLauncher > UI Settings > Scroll to Screen Indicator > Untick "Show Desktop Indicator"
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] jinzo37:
ok thx :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] stevedawg85:
First of all, I couldnt find an official 7.0 RC2 thread, so if you could point me there, that may also help, but here's my situation and what I did.

1. Downloaded RC2 updated from Rom Manager (opted not to download Google Apps)

2. Nandroid, FlashRC2

3. "Doh! I need Google Apps" - Went on web and downloaded/installed diff versions of gapps

4. Finally found the right one, Wiped Davlik Cache and Cache, flashed "gapps-gb-20110307-signed.zip" from Recovery. (This is the right 1 right?)

5. Phone boots up, but I dont have Gmail app and Marketplace gives the following error when I try to open it:

The application Market (process.com.android.venting) has stopped unexpectedly. Please Try again. > Force close

I have other google apps (books, Car home, Maps) but the main ones dont work/are missing
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonsabbath:
Hey this is my first post, I have scoured the internets for a solution to this problem and I still can't find an answer! I have a rooted HTC Desire, and usually have no problems adding whatever roms I want to my phone. I have found a HTC Desire HD rom that I would like to flash (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=789830). The thread is over 1000 pages long, and I read about 50 pages in, but no one had came to a solution!

I have partitioned my sd card (16GB) as the video on the page instructs (using Partition Wizard 5) then adding the rom file to the fat32 section of the sd, however when I reboot after flashing it just stays on the htc screen (and I mean indefinately, I know it takes some time to reboot, but it shouldn't take over an hour should it?). When installing the rom clockwork says that it flashed successfully, so I'm a little confused. I just want it to work!

I've been told to use adb logcat to see what error message shows during the flashing process, but I can't get it to acknowledge my phone unless its in normal mode. When in hboot or recovery it just says 'waiting for device'. I take it its not a driver issue because as I said it will acknowledge my phone when in normal mode. It'd be a miracle if I could get that to work first!

Sorry for being a complete n00b about this, I've spent the last 3 days trying to find a solution, but to no end! I'm not sure what other information is relevent, so if you guys could just ask away that would be great. Thanks!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rumball:
Check out my post at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11918633#post11918633

Hope this helps.
[Droid Incredible General] Rom-Addict:
I have to agree. I tested over a few days & came to same conclusion. No increase at all just standard fluctuations.

sent from dinc
[Droid Incredible General] SynisterWolf:
i think this is all placebo. The code was written by Google and not VZW. and it would be easier for VZW just to limit your connection on there end rather then send a code to turn it on, on the phone.

PLUS VZW knows that we can hack our phone and delete the code our self's so of course they would have a back up plan.
[Droid Incredible General] RageXicity:
Great Busting of that myth. I figured that it was useless to an extent
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
Thanks for another great writeup byrong!

I have been assuming these modifications didn't do anything but never tested much between the two.
[Droid Incredible General] johantheolive:
I'm inclined to agree with you. Logically, why would VZ throttle from the handset rather than from inside the network? However...

I have two brothers with the droid x and I have an incredible. One brother has complained of awful speeds lately, and they are pretty bad for him. I just started to notice it too. Now, I've begun to do some testing switching ROMs and such to see what happens. I normally run CM7 and about an hour ago was pulling .11Mbps where I have in the past had at least 1Mbps.

First, I tried the stock 2.2 PB31 zip file. I went through the initial wizard steps, started the market, added a secondary gmail account (not the one I normally use with my phone), and downloaded the speedtest app. No restoring, nothing. In that environment, I was getting bad speeds (can't recall if the .11 was back at CM7 or with stock sense). I wanted to try a ROM that included the throttle patch/fix/whatever. I did a full wipe and installed magnolia.

Same process as with stock, didn't install anything, just speedtest. Bam. 1.5+MBps consistently across 2-3 tests.

I'm flashing CM7 clean and will test it without installing anything. Now, I absolutely agree that a handset-side throttle makes no sense whatsoever, but something is going on that I can't account for...I'll have to try flashing something like skyraider, testing, then flashing the throttle remover and see how that goes, but CM is taking forever to boot...

UPDATE: OK, so CM7 finally booted and I was pulling 1-1.5Mbps. I restored my nandroid from earlier tonight before I went ROM crazy and I'm at 2.4Mbps down. Weirdnes...
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
I think that goes to show what many people experience and mistake for increased speed with the mod, thanks for sharing :p
[Droid Incredible General] drago34:
I completely agree with you byrong, great write up and data.
[Droid Incredible General] johantheolive:
I agree, but how do I account for pulling such miserable speeds at one point and adequate an hour later, in the same location? I tested this morning and am doing 2Mbps+. Something's not right somewhere, whether it's network congestion or throttling, but then again that's not really related to these client side 'fixes'. It's only been prevalent since the iphone release, which was when VZ came out with throttling the upper percentile of users...
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
Could be any number of moment-to-moment variables that affect how RF signals propogate.
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
Simple stuff like weather can affect speed. It's likely there might had been a few users pulling a lot of data at that particular time to reduce that.

Without seeing what's actually causing the slowdowns it's easy to try and pin the problem on something it's not, but there's definitely a lot of variables when it comes to data speed over 3G on your phone so it could easily be something you haven't even thought of that was limiting the speed at that time.
[Droid Incredible General] byrong:
Thanks guys - glad you appreciate the write-up.

I'm a skeptic, but I am completely open to being proven wrong on this topic (or any issue, really).

Well stated, gents.

Our brains are amazing pattern recognition systems. The problem is that they try way too damn hard. It's why many people have superstitious beliefs and why Airborne continues to sell :rolleyes:
[Droid Incredible General] riahc3:
Im not sure if it works or not but Im willing to try.

My company says they throttle at 100MB (yes, 100MB) so Im willing to try this out.
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
If, after such a clear and concise debunking, you're still not sure, there are some folks in Nigeria that are willing to make you a very rich individual.
[Droid Incredible General] omgjosho:
I've had a slightly different experience. Before the DTR, I couldn't get above approx 1mbps down, however after I get about 3 on 3g, and 9 on my wifi.

Maybe it's just a freak occurrence, though.
[Droid Incredible General] byrong:
omgjosho,

Thanks for chiming in. I'm very much interested to hear from people who believe they've seen results from DTR. In the interest of gathering more data, could you answer the following?

You're the second person I've seen point to Wi-Fi speeds, but no carrier would have any interest in throttling your Wi-Fi. On the contrary, they would want to encourage Wi-Fi as it shifts demand for data off of their network.

Anything done on Wi-Fi is meaningless to Verizon. It doesn't count towards your monthly data usage.
[Droid Incredible General] omgjosho:
Ah. Mostly a misread on my part then. I use somewhere between 500mb and 1gb a month. I've never noticed the throttling icon.

I understand what you're saying about the wifi part, but if it's a software data cap, theoretically it may not differentiate between wifi and 3g and cap the data throughput completely. I look at the DTR more like uncapping a cable modem as opposed to preventing the provider based throttle. So maybe I misunderstood. Simply posting the empirical evidence I had, the only difference was the 10 minutes it took to nandroid and flash the DTR. I was standing in the same spot in my house with the same amount of signal. *shrug*
[Droid Incredible General] byrong:
It's almost impossible to believe that Verizon is throttling you with that kind of data usage. That's less than 35mb per day: practically insignificant on their network. A couple email attachments, picture messages (not to mention video), some YouTube... the average person can consume that much data no problem.

If you were being throttled for that kind of usage, then almost every Verizon smartphone user would be actively throttled on a regular basis. The internet would be lit up like a Christmas tree with all of the complaints that people would post.

The top 5% of users may be throttled, but as AdhvanIt has shown, Verizon doesn't even consider >5gb of data in a billing cycle to reach the top 5%

I keep reading and reading, looking for the origins of all of this. I see people trying to use this mod on T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon, and Cricket. To add to the reading list, here's the oldest thread I've found so far:

Dec 7 - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=863923

I don't know when this quote was added to the original post, since it has been edited, but:

And in that thread it is stated that the mod no longer even works on T-Mobile: that it is "extinct."

It looks like Dec 26 is when people brought it to the Evo / Sprint world: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=888372

I read through all of that second thread and from the very beginning people were doubting the effectiveness of the mod on the Sprint network, or frankly even the need for it. There are numerous posters in there showing 20-30gb of data usage with no throttle from Sprint even on stock services.jar

Which again, in and of itself, should indicate that the services.jar throttle function was not the cause of your speed fluctuations.

Theoretically.... I guess. But now we're moving beyond the realm of "ambiguous data" straight into "wild theory." Not even the developers of this mod ever claimed that it would influence Wi-Fi.

But that's the thing: 10 minutes could certainly be an influencing factor. As noted by the other members, there are a lot of variables that go into 3G speeds: distance to tower, users connected to tower, time of day, weather, reception, geographical region, and so on.

Additionally, there are variables within the phone itself. Maybe before you flashed the DTR, your phone was using background internet services that slowed your speed test. Just one possible influence.

This is why I flashed back and forth between stock and DTR in my own testing: I wanted to minimize the potential influence of other variables by spreading the readings across time, location, and other conditions. I'm not saying your data is meaningless, just that it lacks the controls to consider it conclusive. I'm also not sure how many readings you took, so it's hard to judge the mathematical probability that the differences were chance.
[Droid Incredible General] omgjosho:
I'm not particularly disagreeing with you here, as I'm near positive you've done much more research on the subject than I.

Truth be told, I got rid of the patch simply because I'm too lazy to update it when they release it, and it occasionally caused my 3g connection to take a dump. I'd prefer stability over faster speeds any day.
[Droid Incredible General] userjf:
The thing is, until someone, anyone, can provide a test like byrong did except showing different results, then byrong is correct by default.

As far as I know, NO ONE has done this test other than him.

I've seen "one speed test shows dtr is faster".

I've seen "one speed test shows dtr is slower for me".

You have to do several tests, alternating, between dtr and non-dtr before you can say it works or not.

Is there actually throttle code in the phone? Yes.

Is the phone capable of throttling? Yes.

Does the dtr mod make the phone incapable of throttling? Yes.

Is the throttle code ever used? No. And unless you can provide a test like byrong's showing otherwise, then your opinion is not very valid.

I think android has the code as a generic function that providers could use if they wanted to.

As for the cable-box analogy, cable providers sell many different speeds. The cable box throttles you to your paid speed. Verizon sells 1 speed total, they have no need to throttle you with the device, everyone is the same.
[Droid Incredible General] omgjosho:
Well, for one, I did do more than a single test on and a single test off.

However, I did admit already that I didn't do nearly as much testing as the OP, but that doesn't render my results completely invalid.

Bandwidth capping was used for plenty of reasons in the past besides selling different speeds. For example, meeting the advertised speed, but limiting maximum speed to prevent oversubscribing available bandwidth. I'm not saying that this was the case in this instance, just presenting it as an idea.
[Droid Incredible General] dlamber7:
5,214,615.1 KB is not 5.2GB of usage. It's 4.97 GB of usage. Remember to divide 5,214,615.1 by 1024 to get the amount of MB it is, then divide again by 1024 to get the amount of GB. It comes to 4.97xxxxxx. Leaving the comment of the VZW rep correct, that he is nearly the threshold to be throttled.

Now, the link about VZW throttling the top 5% of its users, was dated January 2009. VZW didn't start getting the Android user base until October of 2009, which then, increased the amount of data users on their network, making the top 5% and much larger number than January of 2009.

Droid by Motorola Release date

As far as the Sprint throttling goes, Sprint doesn't throttle on WiMax, as it has nothing to do with their network infrastructure. They throttle their 3G access.

T-Mobile throttles at 5GB on smartphones, and they let their customers know. They have a broadband card plan now that users can pay more for a 10 GB threshold before they get throttled.
[Droid Incredible General] userjf:
Android device-based throttling, which is what this is about, has a special icon that pops up when it is happening. If you don't have the throttle icon, then android is not throttling you.

If vzw throttles you from their side, there would be no icon... but there is nothing you can do about that anyway.

Anyway, no throttle icon = no android device-based throttle = dtr_mod useless
[Droid Incredible General] dlamber7:
Of course it's useless. Changing a code in the phone to combat throttling is useless. Just because someone uses an IP blocker on their computer doesn't hide the fact from their ISP that they are running a torrent 24/7. Data usage numbers still show on the ISP side and it shows it to their address. Same applies to changing code in the phone. Only your subscriber number is using your data, regardless of hacks put into place (unless someone makes their network think they are a different subscriber), so networks can do what they want with their data speeds.

Now, I was referring to the posts saying people are negating the fact that carriers do throttle, because they do.
[Droid Incredible General] userjf:
Tons of people go over 5GB each month.

Consider this:

If you use Pandora on high-quality for only 5 hours/day, and you did NO other data AT ALL, you would still use 9GB per month... just from Pandora.

How many people use pandora everyday as their main radio??? Lots.
[Droid Incredible General] byrong:
Very good point - thank you for raising it.

Please read his quote again. The rep did not say he was nearly at the threshold to be throttled, the rep said his data usage "wasn't nearly high enough" to be throttled.

Just as another anecdote, ProTekk reports:

(Emphasis added)

My first Verizon link says that it was updated November 15, 2010.

In all my research, I could not find any written policy beyond my links. If anything else is out there, I am more than happy to read through it. There are a lot of stories that broke on the tech blogs in Feb that quote the 5% statement, but when I searched for the language they quoted, all I could find were the links I provided.

I don't doubt that carriers throttle at some point. What I'm pointing out is that people believe they are being throttled without any further evidence beyond a general complaint that their 3G speeds aren't fast enough.

Verizon reserves the right to throttle: no doubt about that. They state so in their language. My question is whether anyone here has evidence that their phone has actually been throttled by Verizon at some point. As you pointed out, other carriers generally notify customers when they are approaching the point of being throttled. I have yet to read anyone say that they got a notification from Verizon.

Even if Verizon is silently throttling, it should be easy enough to show in a repeatable way. For example, a heavy user could plot his speeds over the course of a month, taking multiple readings per day. If he is being throttled, we would expect that either:

A) Speeds would take a sudden dip at some point in the month

B) Speeds would slowly drop after a certain point in the month

The recording would also show a point at which the user was 'unthrottled' again. The Verizon links say that a targeted user will also be throttled in the next billing cycle, but there should still be some observable pattern in the data on a long enough time scale.

I concede that most people aren't as nerdy as I am with this stuff. I understand that they won't be compelled to take that many recordings. But if throttling was happening to all the people that believe it, there should still be something substantial behind these claims.
[Droid Incredible General] AdhvanIt:
FYI. I'm still not being throttled after 7.36GB data usage. And have certainly never seen the data throttle icon.

I too have taken several readings each day.. all varying from 150kbps to 1900kbps depending on where I am, time of day and signal strength. With 3-4AM giving the best speeds.

Note: The Rep did tell me that they would let a customer know if their data was being throttled. Idk if that means you can call and ask to get an answer or they'll voluntarily tell you.. I assume the former.

Edit:gotta love tapatalk upload quality. Ill put up a better one when I get home.

via CM7 Inc
[Droid Incredible General] dlamber7:
VZW Terms & Conditions

That's the site that gives the top 5% of users information with the date of January 2009. No where have I been able to find on VZW where they actually throttle, what the threshold is. T-Mobile and Sprint say in their fine print on their sites that the threshold is at 5GB. AT&T doesn't look like they throttle customers, according to their website, but charge a flat rate once customers go over their allotment.

Of course people will always complain of throttling but without the evidence, like you are saying, one can only speculate. Many people that actually complain about the throttling are totally unaware of data speed fluctuations and just assume they are being throttled.
[Droid Incredible General] byrong:
As is no secret around here, Verizon has officially announced that they will be throttling. Of course, they don't call it throttling:

http://support.verizonwireless.com/information/data_disclosure.html

(Emphasis added)

Why do I bring this up?

To point out that whatever effect people claim to have seen over the last year of using DTR cannot possibly be attributed to throttling: a practice in which Verizon was not previously engaged.

They're just now starting to throttle, and it doesn't match our traditional perception of throttling. Note that they won't just use a standard billing cycle to determine when and when not to throttle.

I imagine a few people will try to argue that Verizon was previously throttling, they just weren't upfront and transparent about it. I call BS. Someone would have cracked that story: if not one of our trusted blogs, then a competitor. Sprint has made a very public push in their ads to point out how other carriers don't really give you unlimited data. Notice that in those commercials they never accused Verizon of throttling, though they noted other carriers that do. They wouldn't overlook something like that: they have a clear financial incentive.
[Droid Incredible General] skwoodwiva:
What do you make of these results?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=17754336&postcount=30

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1299292
[Droid Incredible General] byrong:
A single mention of speed with no comparison to a control state, no indication of sample size, time, conditions, etc etc etc.

I see:

4 people saying that it increased their speeds

1 person reporting that the mod slowed him down

2 people who report the mod had no influence on their speeds

Of the 4 people saying that it increased their speed, again: I don't see anyone taking proper controls. The largest sample size anyone gives is 5 sample readings before and 5 after, all of them presumably taken within a short time span.

In other words, those results have the same shortcoming I listed in the OP and others have discussed since:
[Droid Incredible General] byrong:
I'd also like to add that I have only tested the Droid Incredible version of this Mod.

While it is possible that it works on some other device, I still don't see convincing evidence: just a (very) small handful of readings. As I demonstrated in the original post, a handful of readings can easily create the illusion of a before/after change when natural fluctuations are the real cause.

The null hypothesis is that DTR does nothing (the same would be true if we were testing a new drug or other technology). I have not seen convincing evidence that the null hypothesis should be rejected. Moreover, the anecdotes that have been piling up over the last year can be shown to be placebo (or at the very least, attributable to some other factor) given my post yesterday.