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[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sewe:
I don´t know but that's just what I think when I look at what speeds I got with your new kernel
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] bilboa1:
it might just be because of that http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12072363&postcount=4327

if they didnt like custom kernels they could have asked nicely, lol
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sewe:
I´m on 03-11 so it has to something else
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zacharias.maladroit:
[REMOVED kernel with newest changes - due to upstream breakage of your system !]

the kernel below IS SAFE
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] FadeFx:
I have read about unlock framerate of the gpu, but i think this makes no sense at all, if the gpu has to render more frames it will use more battery, but it wontaffect smoothness of games too much since the eye sees a fluid movement from 24 frames and the display doesn't display more than 50 or 60 frames/sec...
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] bilboa1:
actually you will see a change above 24fps :) i know, its a common misconception.

i would say 30 or 60fps on a tiny device dont matter so much, however since the screen frequency is tied to it, there's a visual difference during scrolling with the boost, that is non-negligible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] FadeFx:
I didn't say there is no change above 24 frames, but the framerate is locked to 60 frames for 3d afaik and the display is at 60hz also... however this has no effect to scrolling at all since that is 2d anyway.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sewe:
Thank you, now my speed is back 0.05Mbit before and 4.78Mbit now.

There had to be something with the other kernel
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] bilboa1:
the patch boost the refresh at 72hz, and as a side effect this boost the fps cap in 3d and 2d
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] retskrad:
How do I download this kernel lol?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zacharias.maladroit:
so you're a former iPhone user ?

latest kernel is downloadable at:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12073056&postcount=169
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Arise:
One question. Did you just removed the previous file: CM7_SGS_platypus-kernel_20110313_16_update.zip ?

If you just did that, then please just remove the link in the future and add the Strikethrough format to the text (and a small explanation to it, like: removed). So we can follow your changes easy. :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zacharias.maladroit:
yes I did remove it

I'd like to strikethrough (I in fact searched for it) but how is it done ? :confused:

thanks !

edit:

test

works :D

edit2:

made changes to changelog
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] ci3hu1:
Help Plz!! i just flash your kernel that you suggested but wifi still stuck on "obatainning ip address" How to go back to cm7 stock kernel??
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] bilboa1:
took me 20min to figure out the strike as well xD
[Windows Phone 7 General] eviper21:
i talked to ATT..no help there so i found an APN online and i can use the internet etc.

but my phone will not send or recieve MMS messages

the only info i can enter on the APN is APN, username, and password

there are no editing proxy etc...

can anybody help me with this??
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Go to the HTC section of the market and download the connection manager/connection wizard/network profile. I'm not sure what its called but you'll know when you see it. Run the app, select att, enjoy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eviper21:
thanks! seems to be working...

funny cuz when i opened it up it already said ATT...so i just hit the check mark and it works
[Windows Phone 7 General] silvertonesx24:
Tmobile and ATT both require data connections to send MMS. Since Tmobile and ATT 3g are not compatible, it'll send over EDGE.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
It's my understanding there is a method of changing the frequencies of the HD7 to be compatible with the AT&T data service. But you have to contact AT&T for the needed info.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tai4de2:
I *seriously* doubt that is true.

TMOUS HD7 --> never get 3G on AT&T.
[HTC Incredible S] pulser_g2:
That sounds like there is a form of NAND lock or "overlay" that stops you writing to the actual /system
[HTC Incredible S] kalua1985:
All HTC's have a NAND lock.. you first need to disable that, before any rooting can be done.
[HTC Incredible S] gudge:
Watching this thread closely, good luck with the quest to root
[HTC Incredible S] kalua1985:
btw this is a interesting site: http://intrepidusgroup.com/insight/2010/09/android-root-source-code-looking-at-the-c-skills/

Maybe it can help you.
[HTC Incredible S] vido.ardes:
Thanks for the link. I guessed there was a NAND lock but when I looked at the unrevoked site, there didn't seem to to be much info on what it did, so I was reluctant to push anything. I will try and find some more info in what is involved in unlocking the NAND.
[HTC Incredible S] menov321:
props to you for trying....good luck
[HTC Incredible S] gudge:
I tried unrEVOked, but the software throws up 'viva unsupported at this time'. I tried to contact the developers but they only contact through IRChat and nobody was there.
[HTC Incredible S] vido.ardes:
I have been trying to find out how the unrevoked guys unlock the NAND on other HTC devices, and it look like they keep their cards pretty close to their chest (understandably) and I can't get hold of any of them yet. I am looking through this thread now to see if I can find any clues

EDIT: Thought I should give an update, but it's not a good one. I can't find any documentation anywhere on how the NAND lock was removed on any of the HTC devices. There does seem to be a frustration silence on how it was achieved, every site just points back to unrevoked, who are unavailable for contact (at best I can find a twitter account and an empty IRC chat room)
[HTC Incredible S] timbo007up:
As far as I can help I found out that they flash an development ruu on the DHD and then flash an s-offed radio, so the nand lock is disabled by default.

Dont know how everything's works together, and I'm a little scared to brick my phone.

I'm no Linux/Android guru and don't know everything that has to be known yet. Anyhow temp shell root can be acquired by SuperOneClick root program. but perm root has been prohibited by the NAND lock.

Still figuring out what partitions/blocks there are and what is used for what. Haven't tried the irc channels yet, will be my next step.

Good luck and ill follow this topic close and also let you know my findings.
[HTC Incredible S] P4p3r1n0:
i dont have an incredible s neither a desire hd.. but have you tried to hack the incredible s with the same method for the desire hd? they are almost similar
[HTC Incredible S] Hawkysoft:
the desire hd trick o.0
[HTC Incredible S] timbo007up:
Currently im a little scared to do it the same way, just because the IS has different versions than the DHD.

Don't have much time atm, but when I triple checked every file that is need I'm willing to try perm root attempt. Just because I'm new to this.

Currently I'm almost sure that the same recovery img can be used, but ill take a closer look this evening.

P.s tnx for the DHD rooting link.
[HTC Incredible S] vido.ardes:
bubby323 (the guy who rooted the inspire4G) has very kindly contacted me and offered to guide me through finding root for the IS, so once we get a chance to chat I will let you know how we get on
[HTC Incredible S] Hawkysoft:
@timbo007up, you allready got an IS? how did you manage that?

i contacted vodafone today and they dont got any info at all about it ;/

@l0st.prophet, when you know how to exactly do this, could you tell me in private also? im willing to help writing a tool for it so it keeps hidden for BB ;-)
[HTC Incredible S] timbo007up:
as soon as you 2 guys are getting there, im willing to erm sacrifice my IS for the testing period. so PM me when ur up to it!

Anyhow i tried some different methods of rooting, the one for the desire Z & HD, both dont work that well (gfree & original, but overwriting the partitions is a little scary). Altered the code somewhat, but apparently not in the way it was able to root it. Will keep on trying, and probably wait i little while till lost.prophet is up to it!

Greetings timbo007up
[HTC Incredible S] Bantu85:
Let us know how things go l0st.prophet. Have decided to get this phone next week, unless some truly awful reviews come between now and then!

I will be happy to volunteer my phone if you need testing then. Titanium Backup needs root! Eventually i'll also be happy to test any custom recoveries that come out. (*hint hint* to devs watching :D)
[HTC Incredible S] gudge:
+1, needing root desperately, happy to test anything you guys come up with. Good luck.
[HTC Incredible S] MentalDeath:
Not that I know anything but would a goldcard method help?

And you may need to find a security flaw.

::EDIT::

Just wondering, but is there even a recovery for the IS?
[HTC Incredible S] vido.ardes:
At the moment we are just trying to find root, recoveries and ROM's will come later. I personally just want root access. Still working on it
[HTC Incredible S] Mikael1711:
Yeah, you were right... the fastboot option had to be disabled, my mistake.

Then I can get into the bootloader, and from there boot into recovery. (the red exclamation mark). Unfortunately I have S-on.

With my Desire, when I saw the red exclamation mark, I would connect the USB cable to my WIN PC, and run a batchfile called "recovery-windows", which allowed me into the recovery menu. Can I eventually use the same batchfile for the IS?
[HTC Incredible S] ownhere:
Very disappointed, A very simple thing pretending to be mysterious.

fake 'root'. :(
[HTC Incredible S] Bantu85:
Not at the moment Mikael. The newest version of bootloaders and recoveries have disabled ADB.. so it's not possible to connect to them from the PC when you're in recovery (the big red exclamation mark).
[HTC Incredible S] SuperTraxer:
Hello everyone,

I've just registered on the site just to say thank you to all of you who are trying hard to root our device. You're doing an INCREDIBLE job. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
[HTC Incredible S] lge73:
Did u see that?:confused:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...-1647318-1-1.html&lp=zh_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

who can download attachment?
[HTC Incredible S] YZ:
wont z4root work?
[HTC Incredible S] doctorsax:
You can get temporary root access using one-click root solutions, but the signed recovery and bootloader will undo it as soon as you restart the phone. There's already been extensive conversations in this thread with regards to that. It's finding an exploit to get around the signed recovery/bootloader without buying specialist hardware that is currently the issue.
[HTC Incredible S] androf:
http://www.mediafire.com/?wtgwfj3fo3x621f
[HTC Incredible S] vido.ardes:
Please read the thread before posting, we have tried every known rooting method, and literally spent many hours trying to find a new one. This won't be straight forward.
[HTC Incredible S] venezia64:
For what it's worth, you can access the menu in recovery mode by pressing volume up + power buttons when at the exclamation mark point...

Anyway, Good luck to all of you guys!
[HTC Incredible S] goodai007:
thank you to all rooting guys! thank you and good luck.i am phone is S-ON.so just waiting guys have root good news!good luck.thank you!:)
[HTC Incredible S] mjltianma:
I want to know how about the rooting progressed，is there any hope？:confused:
[HTC Incredible S] deepsky303:
From Russia with love to you guys, you are the best! Good luck!
[HTC Incredible S] faisal66:
He got a full prmanent ROOT access !
[HTC Incredible S] Hawkysoft:
@faisal66, mate if you had read this thread atleast u shud have known that this has been done by xtc clip... or the device allready had s-off...

our devices have s-on, which we want to disable... the rooting part is not the problem, but the nand process is.
[HTC Incredible S] madmaxx82:
Sorry for the dumb question, but isn't root theoretical possible without any s-off hack first too? I mean by some other kind of exploit?

I completely understand that once you're s-off, rooting is not a problem anymore, but when I look at the other htc boards, devices got root before even complete s-off was possible.. For example my Legend is still S-OFF "thanks" to hboot 1.0, but it's rooted since nearly a year.

If you read all the threads about rooting the IS, it seems as if s-off generally is a strict requirement for rooting htc android.. has this changed with this generation of htc devices?
[HTC Incredible S] androf:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12453242&postcount=131
[HTC Incredible S] madmaxx82:
Yes, but doesn't the same apply to any other htc android phone?

Or is it possible to write to /system NAND without s-off on the Legend (pre root)?
[HTC Incredible S] Hawkysoft:
@madmaxx82, as long as the device is in the state called s-on

we can not write to /system/

things changed overtime...
[HTC Incredible S] madmaxx82:
Thanks.

So things changed since the original Desire and Legend and you could write to /system on those devices while S-ON?

Edit: having read over Paul's original rooting guide again (end of April last year) for those devices he clearly states that it's not possible to write to /system/

First S-OFF hack was released somewhere in December..
[HTC Incredible S] Hawkysoft:
@madmaxx82, idk all i know is this phone is highly protected by htc and those werent

its like this when we root now.. the temproot, its gone after boot because we cant write to /system/

now if u need more info i refer u to ther earlier posts that has been made
[HTC Incredible S] madmaxx82:
Understood, just wanted to know what's the difference and if there COULD be a possibility to gain perm root through some other kind of exploit maybe/possibly found in the future without first S-OFF, since Paul got permroot in April without having write access to /system/ (also not after root) and s-off arrived somewhere in December.

Edit: April -> Dec, I really really hope it doesn't take so long :(
[HTC Incredible S] mikelodean7:
So temproot is possible. But how did u got it? With z4root? If I have temp root, can I install and use setcpu and things like adfree? Or may I have no access to anything? And how about a brick, while trying temproot?!
[HTC Incredible S] cobra.217.8:
about the chinese forums which claim they have root the IS, you are right.

the root way is just for the chip s-off IS, not for s-on. it is useless for most of us whose IS is s-on.
[HTC Incredible S] madmaxx82:
I tried with psneuter. Worked fine. But you only get root inside that shell then.

And that way you cannot install SuperUser.apk and su in /system/xbin so I don't think it's possible to run your root software. But I'm not experienced enough (by far :D ) so only someone who really knows could really answer your question ;)

Although you could run something as root inside that shell ;)
[HTC Incredible S] madmaxx82:
I ordered the clip and it *should* arrive tomorrow or on monday, but so far the update for XTC for the IS hasn't been released :(
[HTC Incredible S] doctorsax:
You could get temp-root using a 'one click' solution. I believe l0st.prophet managed it with SuperOneClick, which you would have seen if you'd read the start of the thread. But really, what is the point of doing that anyway? There's no guarantee any apps that need root will work properly at the moment, and you'll lose all your work as soon as you have to restart the phone. You probably won't brick it but you won't necessarily gain any benefit.

On that note, can people please start reading this already very long thread before making it longer by asking questions that have already been answered?
[HTC Incredible S] mikelodean7:
I´ve read the whole thread! but i just want to be sure that its "working" but not killing my 500€ (709,55 bucks) phone, wich is payed cash (not fonded with a contract.....

;)
[HTC Incredible S] Ghisy:
Sorry guys, I'm selling my IS (just put it on Ebay). I'm tired of waiting for a root solution and it turns out my Desire still works fine.

I still hope you will find a way to root it :)
[HTC Incredible S] :
That seems a bit hasty. The IS has only be out for about 4 weeks
[HTC Incredible S] Ghisy:
@chemist80, well, the Pyramid just got announced in France (late May) and will be sold by my carrier.

As much as I like the design of the IS, its specs are no match against the Pyramid. I'm not saying the IS is bad phone, I'm just not excited enough about it.
[HTC Incredible S] DuoM:
Maybe not. This phone is heavily protected and it isn't very popular. It may be a decent phone, perhaps even better than the DHD, but it doesn't stand well against some of the other phones that were announced at the same time.

Now we know that HTC will be launching their dual-core devices in less than two weeks I have to wonder how much dev resource will be expended on this device going forward.

I expect we'll see more interest when it launches in the US and Canada but will that be enough?
[HTC Incredible S] gwolfxiao:
i dont think so, IF this WAY on IS(I means signed BL), HTC will do the same thing on any other devices just like DS WS & so on

so, mayb when DS WS come out, the way how to unlock IS will come out~
[HTC Incredible S] timbo007up:
Hmmm, got the phone for about a month now, and its pretty good protected.

And yes the DS, WS and so on will be protected the same way, like HTC always did with phones that came around the same time. If the IS is rooted, the rest up to Pyramid will probably be hackable the same way. Should only take about one week or so to test it trough.

And about the rooting/s-off: no were not there yet. Bin4ry is working damn hard on this one. Have lost scotty2 out of sight for a week now, perhaps he is working on it, perhaps not. But i assume he is.

Were still very very busy with it. If you want root now, your a stuck.

Btw selling your IS to get a new phone is useless (unless you switch company) there all locked....
[HTC Incredible S] doctorsax:
That's not true at all, you could get one that's already been exploited for root (the Nexus S especially). Also, Sony Ericsson recently announced they'll unlock the bootloader on their new range of phones for anyone who requests it.
[HTC Incredible S] Hawkysoft:
and i thought that this was the rooting thread about the IS...
[HTC Incredible S] timbo007up:
Did you not read what i placed between brackets: unless you switch company.

And indeed hawkysoft, should go back on topic... this is getting nowhere
[HTC Incredible S] doctorsax:
Sorry, misunderstood your phrasing, ignore that then.
[HTC Incredible S] knightrocker:
Cant we use an update.zip that has already neen signed by htc to put in the files for root ?? Imean ... Like an update of another device like the dhd ... Or one of those roms by @football ...

Or is it a stupid idea :P
[HTC Incredible S] Hawkysoft:
@knightrocker, nope it got a device check... The other ones should work, with a goldcard that is
[HTC Incredible S] knightrocker:
i see ... so why wont emptying one of the others and putting in the root binaries work ??

has any1 tried it at all??
[HTC Incredible S] timbo007up:
Knight: If we try to flash the something from another device it will likely end in a brick. If we change the contents of the file (like the drivers for the Inc S), the signature will not match, so thats really no option, we tried that and doesn't work so..

Appriciate the thoughts :)
[HTC Incredible S] knightrocker:
yea well ... i have taking android from other for quite some time ... im a global mod/admin at ... but i have IS now ... waiting for root and recovery so i can start developing some roms ... u guys should check out ... amazing place ... ill open up an IS section soon ... u guys wanna come ??

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[HTC Incredible S] timbo007up:
i'd rather have everything in here on xda, since than we have one place where everything is discussed and looked over. I dont mind if u open a section at and place the guide there (when it comes available).

P.s. this is xda and i already follow 3 other sites just to keep up, another one would take me too much time :P
[HTC Incredible S] madmaxx82:
Just out of curiosity: what is responsible for overwriting anything you put into /system after a reboot?

Is it something in the bootloader? And is it using some kernel function to check If the signature is valid? So would some kernel exploit help, or is this completely independent?

BTW: Don't get me wrong, I really don't assume I could be of ANY help in rooting this as I'm really by far not skilled enough, it's just that this is very interesting for me ;)

Thanks!
[HTC Incredible S] lucas.g:
I really appreciate this, I just have to monitor this thread. ;)

Thank you all!
[HTC Incredible S] knightrocker:
Ahh well ... Ill open up a section anyway ... U guys are more than welcome ... Just thought it would be better if we have soke more specialized space of the IS ...

Hehe ... I should stop talking ... This ot ... The mods will kickme ... Funny how i can do that and more on .... But im a compelte newbie here ...

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[HTC Incredible S] knightrocker:
Hmmm ... I thought of something ... Wat about nandroid after we get root? Will it work out of the box... Or does it need to be devloped too ?

I want to keep the stock rom too when i start development ... It is very good... I think ill work on aosp ... Or ill port miui if i can ...
[HTC Incredible S] timbo007up:
Nothing is responsible for overwriting, the bootloader just write protect the system partition (and some others). So nothing can be even written there. So it has nothing to do with the kernel. The kernel could be exploited to exploit the bootloader to give us write access to the partitions. Well actually the radio is responsible for the flag that sets the protection (secu_flag = 1) and the bootloader implements the protection. So we need to exploit the radio to be more precise.

It's kinda confusing I know ;)

And knightrocker: if you are talking about clockwork recovery, it will come if we get trough. Its already available from the chinese people so it should not be that hard to implement. As soon we get trough we (hopefully) also release a pre-rooted stock rom, maybe we dont but you will just have to wait (simple as that :P)

Edit: p.s. knight: use less dots, kinda anoying to read haha
[HTC Incredible S] madmaxx82:
Actually you can write to /system.. just remount rw after psneuter.. I also put su into /system/xbin, but after a reboot everything's as before..

So the problem is that this gets overwritten on each boot..

But if you can write to /system and write to the /dev/mmwhateverblk bla, shouldn't it be possible to modify the bootloader and/or the kernel?
[HTC Incredible S] timbo007up:
That kind of changes are stored in memory i guess, not for sure, but thats the part where the s-on is the trouble maker. So for me its the same as not having write access to it ;)

So it says that the partitions are written, but they are not. Goes the same for the mmc blocks. They said they are written, but its just a fake :P
[HTC Incredible S] knightrocker:
What about a dev bootloader? Do we have on for the IS?
[HTC Incredible S] knightrocker:
Hehe. Ok , no more dots.

i have one more question. Lets take it that u managed to root ur IS. And this would require an exploited radio. Which in turn requires an s-off which is not available freely.

So in the end. Even if root is available for the IS, we have to pqy for it?

Or can u flash an exploited radio without s-off, or will s-off he available freely when we root?

Im only 15, so no chances of paying. I cant develope without root and recovery :P
[HTC Incredible S] rasheed-rcx:
monitoring this thread closely. just got my IS on last saturday. it has been long time i didnt visit this awesome community after MDJ left (HD2 NAND Android)...
[HTC Incredible S] kenneth.sung:
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