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[HTC Inspire 4G] jc2470:
I will quote someone from the other day think it was twenty4 or something like that. Babygirl read carefully .............

To start with this is not landbased so dont expect landbased pings as of now, although if u want a better ping u have to first look up and see where your ip is registered and actually switching to hardlines, that is why location services show up as u being elsewhere, ie yahoo.com showing your in west virginia when you live in texas or louisiana. That is the exact reason I live in louisiana and it puts kansas server closest to me at like 45 miles i believe, is that the distance to me? no not even freaking close, but I get a 45 to 60 ms ping if i select that server that it says is closer, why? because where att is actually sending my data from is close to there, I live in louisiana and hammond is like hour away, yet if i use hammond server i get 250 ms to 500 ms ping.

Why does a backwoods little town have better speed then sf? Simple because those are the areas att can upgrade cheaply and get the most bang for the buck, it also allows them to say we are servicing 75% or whatever of the nation. From a technical standpoint it is much more difficult to get sf upgraded to the same speeds as that backwoods little town. If they spend the same amount of resources in sf they would show hardly any improvement at all in there 4g network. Lets not forget 3000 people vs however many people in sf where do u think u will beable to get the best speeds? lets use some common sense here.

As for latency issues that will come and go with the amount of users the network system they have in place can process more dense areas with alot of network traffic will be lower as they need to upgrade systems to handle it, the more and more smartphones, with access to full webpages, music streaming, movie streaming ie... youtube, netflix and everything else all operating at same time increase latency, fewer people using those services at certain times of the day better latency. Bottom line there is alot of work to do in big cities to have great latency and good download speeds.
[HTC Inspire 4G] craigkal:
Dallas, TX.
[HTC Inspire 4G] gtg465x:
That there some HSPA+
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xtrubambinoxpr:
have to unroot to take my phone to sprint..

used unrevoked method while ago and the only thing i really changed was the boot animation..

anyway i can get everything back to out of the box state? or remove basically everything because the stock RUU is NOT downloading right..
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mexigga:
Try this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=780141

GOOD LUCK.
[Droid Incredible General] Troy89:
Kinda curious since I'm gonna be getting one of the above next month what do you guys think about the iPad 2 vs the Xoom?
[Droid Incredible General] boingboingbilly:
I have a Xoom right now and love it...just needs some apps. I wasnt terribly impressed with the ipad update - the hardware is nice but no updates to IOS, that was severly lame. Honeycomb is far more useful on a tab...but without apps it will suffer. They should have released the SDK sooner.
[Droid Incredible General] Troy89:
I definitely agree with you on the apps for the Xoom, I dunno though I think the Xoom is probably a bit more useful but I don't really like the UI that much.

Also I think the iPad has better multimedia support so I might go with that I'm not sure yet.
[Droid Incredible General] dpwhitty11:
Xoom > iPad
[Droid Incredible General] khanam:
I am taking the ipod 2. Not enough tablet apps is a big issue (100 odd vs 65,000 is easy too big a gap). I want android to win but my wallet also won't go for a more expensive tablet either. And I want a wifi only version of the xoom since I wanted to tether it. I'm not going to pay for a data plan twice.
[Droid Incredible General] dbow32:
I agree with Khanam
[Droid Incredible General] Troy89:
I agree with him too. I'm not getting one till the end of April but still at the moment for me personally apps, multimedia support, and I don't really like the UI of honeycomb as much as I like the iPad's at the moment.
[Droid Incredible General] TheWhiteBandito:
Agreed. I'll probably end up buying an iPad 2, but might sell it if the Android Tablet App Market really starts to take off. What's the point of the tablet if I can't use it like I want to use it? I want Honeycomb to succeed though, but I am not going to be an early adopter in this particular segment.
[Droid Incredible General] Deleted member 2776902:
I have a 64GB WiFi iPad and the apps make or break a device. You can have better specs, and even a better OS. But without quality apps, the device will suffer.

Some of the apps I use on a daily basis on my iPad are Pages (Wonderful full blown word processing app), Penultimate (Notes), Evernote (Notes again), and of course some games, like Infinity Blade (Amazing graphics!)

I won't be upgrading to an iPad 2, possibly the third generation if it has the rumored "retina" display. It would take some powerful hardware to pump out graphics at that resolution. And an amazing battery for that matter. Speaking of battery, it was the #1 reason I went with the iPad. I can easily make it through an entire school day and come home with 80% left :D My Incredible, not so much. It usually ends up at 30%.
[Droid Incredible General] g00s3y:
great post :rolleyes:

I was going to get a xoom, I want to get a xoom. But as everyone else has stated, without apps, what good is it? If the Android Tablet Market takes off within the next couple of months, I may go with it, if not, I believe I will be getting an iPad 2. I am against everything Apple, but when they come out with a quality piece of electronics, and it is supported correctly... well you can't argue with that.
[Droid Incredible General] tech_head:
Love my DroidX.

I have a NookColor (rooted).

Buying an iPad2. Full HDMI mirroring for everything. iTunes DRM so I can play my digital copy movies. I don't want to pay for a 3G radio when I'll tether to my DroidX. This made a lot of the decision for men.
[Droid Incredible General] Troy89:
lol I forgot about DRM I have a significant number of songs with DRM.

On a side note white or black iPad.
[Droid Incredible General] frickandfrak:
the white one reminds me of old macbooks... which look kinda gross after about a year of use.

Black ipad 2 for me.

Also, I am going to wait until HTC makes me the tablet of my dreams before I jump on the honeycomb train. HTC Flyer 2, anyone?
[Droid Incredible General] Kent_Davis:
I am in th same boat. What to do
[Droid Incredible General] Troy89:
I thought about the white getting dirty too but I might still try it if the screen protector covers the white portion as well.
[Droid Incredible General] NickTheCreator:
I am personally going with the ipad 2 wifi (tether, not paying data twice) because of support in general, especially apps. Plus that way I can experience both iOS and android apps. And finally a relative has the xoom so anytime I need to I can use it (:
[Droid Incredible General] JewRican:
i have the option to get the iphone with verizon and have no desire to play with that OS. it is outdated and less functional.. for the same reason, i have no desire to get a larger version of it... just doesnt do it for me.. then again... i am not so sure i like this whole tablet craze anyway... id rather a nice laptop.. touch screens are nice, but type this current post on a tablet and tell me you still want one... just doesnt interest me.
[Droid Incredible General] sgtagem:
To me Android will always be better for me than anything apple. Its more about what i can do with the product I buy. I want to root/reflash and customize and with an android device thats an ez task. Apple locks everything down so a geek like me cant "play" enough. Ill take an ipad2 running android to piss off apple lovers anyday XD
[Droid Incredible General] cd2573:
ipad all the way
[Droid Incredible General] rjs987:
Xoom all the way. Both are to expensive tho
[G1 Accessories] JiggyNS:
I bought a Rocketfish RF-BTHP02 bluetooth headphone and can't get it to pair up with my phone.

I'm running cyanogen 6. I am able to turn bluetooth on within the phone and can scan for device however, it never seems to find the headphones.

Is there an update or an add-on I should seek?

btw, the phone and headphones share same supported frequency formats or whatevs they're called.
[Atrix 4G General] rex-tc:
I keep hearing everyone go on about Pentile is crap, etc. Then I hear that all AMOLED screens use Pentile Matrix rendering (Galaxy S, Nexus, etc). Also the pentile tech is also made by Samsung from my understanding. So why does everyone consider our Pentile TFT qHD Res 24-bit color screen crap on these fourms (other forums now too)? Especially when EVERY review I have seen online about our screens have gotten nothing but good ratings, and say it is almost as good as the iphone 4 IPS LCD screen (minus the pixel density 920x540 4" vs 920x640 3.5"). I think it is crap we have the highest res screen android phone ever and we are not getting atleast some credit.
[Atrix 4G General] krkeegan:
Not really sure if there is a question in there. But Anandtech does a good explanation of the Pentile display including the pros and cons:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4

In the end the decision is an objective one. Some people don't notice the difference and some people can't stop noticing the difference.

I am sure there will be numerous posts after mine complaining about the pentile display. But the only thing that matters is how the screen looks to you. Beyond that it is only a philosophical argument.
[Atrix 4G General] Gr1peN:
Meizu M9 is the android phone with highest res.

Besides, the SGS2 screen dominates the Atrix screen.
[Atrix 4G General] rex-tc:
OK besides CHINA we have the highest res screen. Plus I don't think the SGS2 screen is any better it is even more oversaturated than the original SGS. On top of that they went with even less pixel density than the first... No thanks.
[Atrix 4G General] rex-tc:
I guess my question is why is the Pentile LCD getting knocked but PENTILE AMOLED is not? Both have the same flaws and advantages.
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
Because people (Especially with phones for some reason) like to hop on bandwagons and have no idea what they're talking about.
[Atrix 4G General] lesterp:
Personally love the diplay on the Atrix but human nature requires some to nitpick. Prospective buyers should inform themselves of the display tech, but also that it is an excellent display that will only get a small but vocal minority bent.
[Atrix 4G General] Blind_Guardian:
I agree with you completely.
[Atrix 4G General] GuestK0050:
The Atrix 4G, with the Pentile screen, is still considerably higher in perceivable resolution than 800x480. And that's just my opinion.

I won't deny the Galaxy S have really nice colors, but they are oversaturdated.

The extra resolution in a practical sense has been more useful to me in web browsing and other activities than the LSD colors of my Captivate.

As someone poinedt out, it's a personal preference. I have a friend that would rather wait for Super AMOLED Plus but I find the Atrix to be an excellent phone and an improvement in all categories despite some legitimate complaints about upload speed that is the fault of AT&T.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] shea-bird:
SAMOLED is pentile RGBG

Atrix is pentile RGBW

so the subpixels in the atrix are white...

I don't know the entire technicalities but I know that is the DIFFERENCE...

I love The screen. doesn't bother me a bit. I like CRISP over SATURATED, although I'm not knocking the SAMOLED screens either, as they are nice in their own right.
[Atrix 4G General] rex-tc:
Ya I found a little bit more about that....

"PenTile RGBW technology adds a white subpixel to the traditional red, blue, and green subpixels in a color display allowing a brighter display using less power. ... When the image is mostly desaturated colors, those near white or grey, the backlight brightness is significantly reduced, often to less than 50% peak, while the Liquid Crystal Display levels are increased to compensate. When the image has very bright saturated colors, the backlight brightness is maintained at higher levels. Since most natural images and black on white text have few simultaneously bright and saturated colors, the average power of the PenTile RGBW panel is 50% less than a conventional RGB LCD. Since the LCD backlight is the major power using component on many portable devices ... products that use the PenTile RGBW panel have appreciably longer battery life. The PenTile RGBW also has an optional high brightness mode that doubles the brightness of the desaturated color image areas, such as black&white text, for improved outdoor view-ability. "

To me it sounds instead of just RGB of tradition LCD screens we have a white subpixel also. Which increases brightness at half the power.

Man I swear these fanboys acting like we were getting some inferior screen when all along it was an UPRGADE

Plus Moto should of put some marketing scheme on it's name like. SUPER TFT LCD SCREEN QHD 24-BIT EXTREME. Then all of the fanboys would of went NUTS for it.
[Atrix 4G General] DumIam:
the simple solution is to try the phone out and see whether it meets your needs or not. at least that's how I see the 30 day love it or leave it trial period. let your own eyes be the judge, and then decide which pros and cons you can happily live with. The Atrix is a wonderful device,and I believe it will only get better with time. it was simply overkill for me, and at the ripe old age of 43 the bigger screen on the Inpire is easier to read lol.
[Atrix 4G General] Dell2:
I don't know or care about the technical aspects of pentile displays, but I do know what my eyes see. If I zoom in on a 5 or 6 megapixel photo with my Samsung Captivate, the photo pixelates badly. If I do the same thing with my Atrix the photo stays sharp and clear. The Iphone 4 I returned TWICE, kept the same sharpness and clarity.

The auto settings on the Atrix and the HTC Inspire are terrible, take your camera off of automatic and it will take better pics.
[Atrix 4G General] tassadar898:
thanks cause of this i changed my wallpaper to completely white background ill see if it improves battery life :)
[Atrix 4G General] Berserk87:
When the galaxy s came out, the deal breaker for me was the screen.

Before I knew what a pentile matrix was I noticed it without trying, and it bugs me a lot.
[Atrix 4G General] newter55:
I have been using mine for a few days now and love the clarity of the screen. The only problem for me is that when reading on it for extended times, such as using xda, I start to develop headaches? Really odd and I thought it would just be a short adjustment but after three straight evenings I am beginning to wonder.
[Atrix 4G General] Bakedbread:
I wondered the exact same thing OP. I'm in the market for an atrix and I've been trolling the forums for a while to get a feel of user feedback.

It really seems like people are complaining about the pentile display on the atrix but all current SAMOLEDS have the exact same problem.

The pentile matrix is only fixed on the new SAMOLED plus on the SG2 , so until then I'm not sure why people keep knocking the pentile display on the atrix when comparing it to other current gen phones like the Nexus S and captivate.

Just my 2 cents
[Atrix 4G General] waltah!:
I find the screen on the Atrix to be very crisp and clear. Can I see a pixel or two? Honestly I dunno because I don't search for pixels on a phone screen. Gaming and text are both excellent.

I find that people complain too much. They also will read somewhere that "pentile sucks" so they start saying "fail, Pentile sucks". There would be much less drama on forums and blogs if people would just try a product and form their own opinions instead just blindly following a reviewer or commenter.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
With a 4.3" SAMOLED Plus display.... expect battery life close to 1-hr of 3G web browsing.
[Atrix 4G General] phobos512:
To say nothing of the fact that the GPS won't work and you'll never see updates :)
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
yellows (dull) and greens (way obviously pixelated) bug the crap out of me on this screen. i noticed this before I even knew what a pentile was, and then the anandtech article explained it well to me.

do i think the screen is great? yes. does it have some big shortcomings compared to the iPhone IPS display (pixel 'clarity') or SAMOLED display (color contrast)? yes. i've settled on it.

but really, find a website that has forest / lime green text, and look at it at different zoom levels. for example, http://thehundreds.com/ the archive links on the right side if you scroll down. or just look at your battery meter up close when it's green. or anything yellow (i.e. words with friends tiles or angry birds menus). it does bug me to a degree, and it actually made me appreciate my blackberry 9700 screen a little more.
[Atrix 4G General] Techcruncher:
Umm.. I'll put it this way, and I'm probably wrong, so just ignore me instead of flaming me if this doesn't work for you.

I was kinda disappointed at the color output of the atrix. Then I put it on highest brightness. Fixed.

The atrix on highest brightness displays all colors correctly, especially if you have it on highest brightness in a sunny room.

It might just be my crazy mind picking up a placebo effect, but I swear it looks at least twice as vibrant on high light.

My guess for the explanation, is that AMOLED screens are made of LED's and essentially light themselves, whereas LCD's like the atrix have a backlight.

Perhaps it is this backlight causing the problem. Turn up brightness, go to a sunny room, and see if it fixes it.
[Atrix 4G General] trickyhenry:
Holy whizzle pigs!! Turning the brightness up does make a difference... blinded!
[Atrix 4G General] martinisadork:
edited because it was supposed to be a response.
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
Coming from an AMOLED Nexus One with the Pentile matrix, I was sorely disappointed that the Atrix has it to in its qHD LCD screen. After using the Atrix, I don't really see the Pentile Matrix as a big issue (for me). From a comparison standpoint, the pentile matrix on the AMOLED of the Nexus One was much worst than on the Atrix.

I don't really understand the complaints of the colours being horrible on the Atrix though. I'm just posting examples from a screen shot of the Angry Birds menu on my phone and one I found on the net. I don't see the difference in yellow no matter how hard I look. Screen setting is on low if that matters.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0TQAhoGxxUA/TRmV3cDJ06I/AAAAAAAAFFc/iHnUJe-3PPM/s1600/angry%2Bbird.jpg
[Atrix 4G General] graemegb:
On my phone that yellow on the menu looks like poop green :p
[Atrix 4G General] haloimplant:
Wanna know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

The RGBW isn't a single pixel, it is TWO pixels. The screen is '960x540' but you actually have 480x270 each of red, green, blue and white subpixels.

On the SGS 800x480 RGBG it is 800x480 green but only 400x240 red and blue which is why those colours look like crap to me. It is tolerable, but not great like an expensive phone should be, so I'm not buying another pentile.

RGB has full resolution of subpixels of all three colours.

BTW most of us here aren't fooled by marketing crap. Call it what you want it still has 480x270 effective resolution for solid colours and less subpixels than 800x480 RGB.
[Atrix 4G General] haloimplant:
I'd argue that subpixel density is more important, those are the actual dots of light being produced that the eye may pick up on, pixels are just a logical definition.

By going leaving pentile and going to RGB proper subpixel density will actually increase, here comes the math...

4" 800x480 should be about 3.43x2.06", which gives 233 pixels per inch or 54.3k pixels per square inch. With 2 subpixels each we've got 108.6k subpixels per square inch. (Note that this average, green has 54.3k pixels per square inch and red/blue have 27k each which is why they look bad, to me.)

Similarly a 4.3" 800x480 would be about 3.69x2.21", or 217 pixels per inch and 47k pixels per square inch. But with 3 subpixels per pixel it's going to have 141k subpixels per square inch, a full 47k for each primary colour.

Now onto Atrix, we've got 4" 960x540, about 3.48x1.96, 275.5 pixels per inch, 76k pixels per square inch. So we've got 152k subpixels per square inch, but only 38k each of red, green, blue and white. That's some improvement over the SGS, but still short of the SGS2.

To summarize, pixels per square inch:

Red/Green/Blue/White/All

SGS: 27k/54k/27k/0/108k

SGS2: 47k/47k/47k/0/141k

Atrix: 38k/38k/38k/38k/152k

So there it is. Subpixel density, especially red/blue, on the SGS is the worst. While the Atrix has slightly higher (8%) subpixel density than the SGS2, because of pentile it falls short for the individual colours by almost 20%.

How noticeable would 38k subpixels per sqin be compared to 47k? I don't know I'd have to compare them side by side. I know 27k looks a mess to me, but some people don't even notice that so 38k would be plenty for them.

As far as battery life the 1-hr for SGS2 quoted by some hater is obviously bogus. Let's look at more numbers instead of spouting crap: the display has 30% more subpixels and 15.5% more area. Meanwhile the SGS2 battery is 1650 mah over 1500 mah in the SGS, so 10% more. If we go by the subpixels (although samoled power should be proportional to total brightness, so I think the area would be more representative) that leaves it 18% short. Samsung advertises battery life improvements which could make up some or all of that, but even without we're still looking at over 4 hours (I get 5+ hours screen time with my SGS). Going by the area (which I think is more accurate) it will be about the same (15.5% more area with 10% more battery) even without efficiency improvement.
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
Oh that might be an issue. I wonder why it is not like that for me. Not that I am complaining, lol.

Rocking my Bell Atrix!