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[Defy General] setspeed:
Hi, I'm asking for some opinions from Defy owners, please.

A friend of mine is looking to get a new phone on contract (UK), around the £15/20mth mark. I'm an old hand with Android (mostly HTC handsets though) and therefore his first port of call for advice. I am however a bit strapped for time at the moment, and can't scour all the forums for the info I need to make my recommendations.

I'm pretty sure that I'll tell him to get a Defy or an LG Optimus One.

Looking at the specs it seems like the Defy is the winner on pretty much all counts:

Screen: Defy 3.7" 480x854 Optimus 3.2" 320x480

RAM: Both 512MB

ROM: Defy 1.9GB Optimus 512MB

Battery: Defy 1540mAh Optimus 1500mAh

Camera: Defy 5MP Optimus 3.1MP

So, what is the problem I hear you cry? Well, as we all know, hardware specs don't tell the whole story. From the little I've read about the LG software, it's pretty close to vanilla Android - and it's 2.2 as well. The Defy has the overhead of Motoblur and is running on 2.1. And we all know how Motorola treats updates on Android.

What I want to know is this: what is the Defy like on a day to day basis, with the stock UK ROM? My friend will not want to root (or have me do it for him) - he just wants a phone that works out of the box.

Also, you will probably be able to save me a lot of searching if you answer this question - has Motorola said anything about updating the Defy to Froyo? If so, when? LG has committed to upgrading the Optimus One to Gingerbread - I know that will never happen for the Defy, but Froyo would be nice.

Also, any other relevant info you think I ought to know would be greatly appreciated, ie. known faults, bugs etc. I realise it must have the locked Moto bootloader.

Thanks!
[Defy General] darule_2011:
I believe you've summed it up pretty well, and believe that your friend will like the defy out of the box over the optimus for all the reasons you mentioned, not to mention this thing is far more accident-resistant over the optimus. As for Froyo, official roms have already been released in several markets so I would assume all markets will get it officially. As you know, there are plenty of unofficial froyo roms and some without blur that work great on here if you want to go that route (but doesn't sound like you have the time to).

As for moto-blur, it's not that bad...I have two (one for me and one for wife), mine's rooted and overclocked among some other things and running launcher pro (so technically still has blur but it's not launched)...and hers is stock, sure my quadrant score is higher than hers, but for the day to day tasks that 95% users are using, the stock works great and is snappy. I really can't see much difference in speed between hers and mine with most stuff that we do on it. That being said, sounds like your friend isn't going to be in the 5% like those on this forum and therefore the need to go all out with the phone and have to hack the crap out of it, so I believe the stock defy should make a happy friend... But...that's MHO:) and everyone's preference is different!

btw, I played with the optimus when I was shopping phones, and went with defy...loving every second!
[Defy General] setspeed:
Thanks for that. I posted the same question over in the Optimus One forums, and they all recommended the Defy as well! So, problem solved I guess.

Are there any known issues with the Defy? I'm sure I read somewhere about the headphone port failing regularly, as well as the speaker packing in as well?
[Defy General] Peglezn:
yea there were a headspeaker issues ...but thats fixed in newer versions of the phone, so it shouldnt be a problem
[Defy General] setspeed:
That's good to know, thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] wn2fsh:
OK, I'm new to all this, and very confused.

I am trying to flash to a new ROM, "Energy.RHODIUM.28244.Sense2.5.Cookie.2.0.DinikGlass.Feb.27.7z"

What specific steps, one by one, do I have to do to flash my phone with this new ROM? It looks like, to start with, I have to rename this file I downloaded, right? No thread has said to do that.

I have AT&T HTC Tilt II, Windows Mobile 6.5 (5.2.21887[Build 21887.5.0.86])

Manilla version 2.5.20133329.2

ROM version 2.10.502.4(93577) WWE

Radio version 4.49.25.95

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

PS, I've gone to threads that "Explain" how to flash, but they leave me with more questions than answers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] SinisterJunkie:
The file you downloaded is a 7-zip package. You need 7-zip to uncompress.

Read [Resources] Flashing your First GSM Rhodium Rom (For Noobs) for very detailed instructions on flashing a ROM.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] wn2fsh:
Thanks for the info.

I'll download the 7-zip program, and uncompress the ROM to a directory.

I've downloaded the "HardSPL" and will run it with my phone synced.

Then I can run the RUU from the folder with the ROM?

Then I should have a phone with the cooked ROM on it and no bugs whatsoever, right? :)

And I notice you have the same ROM but the sencity version. Does this ROM not use HTC messaging? The main reason I hate the stock ROM is the HTC messaging. I saw on one of his threads he said his ROMs don't use it, a very good selling point.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 9761217:
hey: I'm a energy rom fan too

first of all ,you should find out that if you device is unlock ,which method is that 1，tune off device ,2，press the lower volume button and press the power button to enter the “3 color interface”，if there‘s any “olinex” word on that，it means you device is unlock ，and can be flashed the cooked rom like energy rom.

as to flashing，I recommend you use storagecard for flashing，’cuz this method is the easiest and less risky，the method as followed：

unzip the energy file and copy the "rhodimg.nbh" to your root of tf card，and enter the “3 color interface“ above metioned ：

1，tune off your device，

2，press lower volume button ant power button，

3，wait for few second

4，you device will check out the rhodimg.nbh automatically，

5，if your device checked out the ”rhodimg.nbh“ existed， it will ask you to press the power button,then press it,

6，wait till process completes successfully ，

7， reboot you device
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] iabf:
Does anyone know what rom on hd2 for android will support wii remote ive read tha it will not work with builds with htc sence ui I am currently running on phiremod SkinnyEvo Final Edition, and i want to know if anybody knows of any other good builds that can work with wii remote!?:confused:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Aphiliated:
Ditto.....

I too am in the same predictament as you are, please someone help the wiimote live on my beautiful HD2!!!!
[HD2 General] ZEMONTI:
Hi

One month after I broke my europian HD2 I got nother from a private seller. It has the same 4.3" great screen, but instead of microUSB, it has miniUSB, it hasn't 3.5 plug and seams to be slower and glitchy.

Is it possible to be a fake with 4.3 screen?

Also the info shows:

CPU Qualcom 8520B

RAM 256

FLASH 256

STORAGE 149.97(not the storage card)

Data bus 32 bit

The most surprising is that whenever I start it there aren't any digits below the HTC logo, showing the version.
[HD2 General] Stickman89:
Yes it is a clone. They have some pretty close HD2 clones you know, just check out the below for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdnIR4KpRvg

Best Regards,

ST1Cl<^^aN
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
Go to this thread and see if this looks like what you have. If so then you have a imatation HD2.
[HD2 General] ZEMONTI:
I made some pics:
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
Yeah it looks like you got a clone there.
[HD2 General] ZEMONTI:
I also thought that, but there isn't dual SIM, and the device looks pretty old.

Can it be some old version? The long battery is stunning?

I had 3 Chinese phones before but this one seems to be genius.
[HD2 General] ZEMONTI:
Ooooooh

I found it. It's fake:

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/340643516-Latest-1GHZ-Real-4-3-inch-HTC-HD2-T8585-quadband-win6-5-GPS-WIFI-wholesalers.html
[HD2 General] xokos:
Too late...

If you had one before it's easy to see that is a clone...:eek:
[HD2 General] ZEMONTI:
Actually a'll keep it. It's pretty good. The reason that i found it, is that i had one before. The difference is mostly in the memory.
[HD2 General] redoano:
I wanna buy a hd2 but how can i understand either it is fake or not? Is there any other ways to understand it is fake or not rather than memory? Because some clone says they have 1 ghz processor :O checking imei number is useful?
[HD2 General] xokos:
External case it's diferent...and of course it's not the same.If they were the same nobody buys the original...

Diferences:

Original:

Fake:

And the hard keys are smaller in the fake...(see photos)...
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
If it does not have a 3.5 headphone jack and if it has the mini USB connector lick the one in ZEMONTI's pictures. Notice how the USB port sticks out like a sore thumb on his Phone. The real HD2 does .other have this.
[HD2 General] ZEMONTI:
See the system (or memory) info! If it has only 250mb, or less it's fake.

Am i write?
[HD2 General] Robson:
gotta admit though, those fake phones are pretty darn slick. not talking about software but hardware-wise those imitations are pretty good.
[HD2 General] lude219:
these fake phones keep on getting better and better :D
[HD2 General] nygmam:
http://www.aliexpress.com/product-f...ltitouch-Capacity-Screen-8GB-wholesalers.html

this one takes the cake... It is says HD II on the front, has a windows button, but is running Android 2.2... Check out the claimed battery life, wondering if they are using MAGLDR to get it into ROM, or something else... Whatever it is, this one is pure gold!!!
[HD2 General] Con500:
The fakes do look slick and agree they just get bigger and better. What concerns me tho is the lack of 3G or hsdp network. Both the above links appear to quote 'GSM/Edge', im thinking if running android and are outwith a wifi hotspot then speed would be deminished
[HD2 General] backlashsid:
ha ha ha !! u have a fake Hd2...now go find some fake xda for ur hd2 !!!:D:D:D
[HD2 General] Skellyyy:
How didn't you notice the missing home button on the front?!

Tbh, these look quite good actually. Still prefer my HTC HD2 though. :p
[HD2 General] Skellyyy:
Just looked at the HD2 running Android link... The phone has a higher MP camera than the real one.
[HD2 General] Githrog:
Removed

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[HD2 General] boomboomer:
Just don't hold them too close to your head while making a call, a firm that manufactures knocked off copies isn't going to worry about lawsuits for frying your brain...
[HD2 General] Tachi91:
lol they put so much effort and money into both hardware/software dev...just to get close to the orginal then sell it for a very real price... smh you gotta give them some props for trying so hard

Sent from my HTC HD2
[HD2 General] hardlineratwork:
amazing

yesterday i saw the cebit

on the golden mall there where fakes over fakes^^
[HD2 General] stevedebi:
I looked over their site. There are hundreds of fake HD2, some with 512/512, some with other memory combinations, including 512/1024. Those all are GPRS/EDGE only, but they start at under $200! Most are also dual SIM.

There are also a dozen or so "exact" copies of the US T-Mobile version, with the HSPDA frequencies, but they cost more than the original HD2; around $550+.

The interesting thing is that many of these clones have a much larger battery area, although they appear to use the standard size battery. If they were going to re-design it, why not supply a bigger battery?
[HD2 General] boomboomer:
Because a 'genuine HTC' battery can be bought for a few cents in China, a bigger battery would cost more than the fake rubbish they use. It's all about profit, making the most money from each gullible person.
[HD2 General] stevedebi:
Yes, but they could have used a larger battery from a different phone, that would already be available; after all, they were building a new phone.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kyle_l88:
So now I'm getting the stupid notification to update to 2.3.3. Thing is, right now CM6.1.1 is MUCH smoother than the gingerbreads out there. I'd like to stick with it till CM7 is a full stable release. Also I heard you can edit a file in /system/ to fake your version. Couldn't find the info I needed to change it though. The other thread I looked at, the guy seems to have the same issue and he's on rogers as well (Well FIDO is owned by Rogers, therefore towers are the same here). Problem is I've tried a lot to get rid of it and still no luck:mad:, any help is appreciated:D
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] baseballfanz:
Find and flash FOTAKill
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kyle_l88:
Sweet just found it and flashed it! Thanks alot
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kornball:
I'm running rooted stock 2.2.2 FRG83G and don't want to install the OTA until there's an easy OneClick-esque root method (the developer is referring to it as gingerbreak). Will FOTAkill work on rooted stock? If so, is all I do open FOTAKill-signed.zip on my computer, extract the FOTAkill.apk, and install it on my phone?

I apologize in advance for the relatively rudimentary question.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] selimmohamed:
Possible program Windows Phone Developer Tools

* Please, I want XP necessary and sorry for bad English
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] leonardqallpani:
need to for xp
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] selimmohamed:
Yes need to for xp
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] d3m0n1:
Go here for a tutorial to install wp7 dev tools on Xp.

B.R.:

d3m0n
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] kurtis.austin2:
So I am not sure if anyone has posted or done this yet, but when on CM7, the model number of our phone is changed to HTC Vision instead of T-Mobile G2. With this change, we are not able to take full functionality of the T-Mobile My Account app. It says you are using a non T-Mobile device.

To change this. Open up the build.prop file and edit the following in a text editor.

Change this...

ro.product.model=HTC Vision

ro.product.brand=vision

To this...

ro.product.model=T-Mobile G2

ro.product.brand=T-Mobile

After doing so, save and exit, or save and place back in the /system folder if you edited on your computer
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] kurtis.austin2:
A reboot is needed for the changes to happen. But it gave me full use of the My Account/My Device app from T-Mobile.
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] WarBird87:
thanks i was wondering about this a couple weeks ago lol
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] kurtis.austin2:
Yeah, I know nothing about coding and all that stuff, pretty much know just what to do when I read instructions.. lol..

but this issue had been bugging me so I decided to just look around and when I looked in the build.prop file I saw where it said HTC Vision, decided to change it to T-Mobile G2 to see if it would do anything, and wala, it did. lol.

did it work for you?
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] BR7:
Thanks, wondering about this as well. Running CM6.1.1, I just needed to change the model.
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] kurtis.austin2:
you're welcome! :-) glad I could be of help!
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] Proxin:
Thanks for this, it does indeed improve a few issues. :)

Edit: After using this and rebooting, Swype complained that I'm using it from a different device than intended, and that it will operate with limited functionality.

Just letting you guys know in case the issue comes up for you as well.
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] jkmcrm18:
So after finding the file, I changed it, editing with two different apps, and each time I went to save, I got an "error trying to save" for both apps. I did a reboot, and also attempted with Myaccount installed and uinstalled.

What could be causing the error?

What would be the process using the PC? ADB?
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] kurtis.austin2:
Basically you need to do it from your phone. I use root explorer.

Navigate to the /system folder

Mount r/w (up in the right hand corner of root explorer)

Long press on the build.prop file

Scroll down to Open in Text Editor

Once in the text editor, find and change those 2 lines.

Hit menu > save & exit

Then reboot your phone
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] BobNobbins:
If you have root explorer you can edit it straight from the phone.(reboot required afterwards)

I downlaod the CM nightlies to my pc then edit the build.prop as well as add in/change some system apps(swype and the swype lib file, quick office, and an older email.apk that doesn't require pin lockscreen on exchange) then move to the phone and flash.
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] jojeda64:
I only change ro.product.model=T-Mobile G2 and it still works.
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] jkmcrm18:
I did from the phone before. I have just been reluctant to purchasing Root Explorer. I finally did after reading your post, if it didnt work return within 15, but it worked. I am now keeping it.

The two other apps claimed SU, but none actually asked for permission. This is what was the issue.

Thanks for the help.
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] Proxin:
I actually prefer SU File Manager & Terminal.

It's $1.99 and does zip support, file browsing, /system remount, multi-select, built-in Terminal(!), PC explorer over WiFi (which Root Explorer doesn't even have - and Root Explorer costs ~$3 more!)

Plus it's made by someone here at XDA so I appreciate it even more ;)

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.protocol.x.su.fbs&feature=search_result

That's the link if you want to check it out. It came as a no-brainer to me to buy that instead of Root Explorer because it has more features AND has a less expensive price tag.

Please excuse my somewhat off-topicness, just trying to help out though :)

Edit: Also ON-TOPIC, I got my build.prop working with Swype by editing it from SU FBS (the app I mentioned above) and by only editing the ro.product.model like jojeda64 said.
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] cardcrazy:
I know this thread is a little dated, but just an update. When I changed both lines, Swype stopped working and threw an error. I changed the brand value back and both Swype worked and the T-Mobile "My Device" app did as well. The correct brand value for me was "tmobile".

Hope this is helpful. Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. Answered a question I had.

EDIT: Oops. Missed that Proxin basically said the same thing I did :-)
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] gizzymo:
When I did this on my device it now wont connect to mobile data...
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] Marvelous0ne:
Never used this app before. I'm not sure what to do to save the changes using it? Is it possible you could post how using this app?

Update, a friend sent did it for me. So all is good! :)
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] dhilberg:
I have no problems using the T-Mobile My Account app with the default CM7 build.prop, everything shows up as it should. My gripe with the My Account app is that it doesn't work over Wi-Fi.
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] dhilberg:
Thanks for the tip on SU File Manager. I love Root Explorer, but it lacks support for Windows/SMB shares, which is kind of a hassle. Currently I use ES File Explorer for share browsing and Root Explorer for everything else. I'll have to look into SU File Manager though.
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] kurtis.austin2:
The my account app works. We know that. But the other part of that app, the my device part, doesnt
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] Ditamae:
My Device app working again

This worked perfectly for me. Thanks for the info.
[G2 and Desire Z Themes and Apps] tarroyo:
Good looks on this!
[Optimus One, P500, V General] setspeed:
Hi, I'm asking for some opinions from Optimus One owners, please.

A friend of mine is looking to get a new phone on contract (UK), around the £15/20mth mark. I'm an old hand with Android (although mostly HTC handsets) and therefore his first port of call for advice. I am however a bit strapped for time at the moment, and can't scour all the forums for the info I need to make my recommendations.

I'm pretty sure that I'll tell him to get a Motorola Defy or an LG Optimus One.

Looking at the specs it seems like the Defy is the winner on pretty much all counts, although it is £5 a month more expensive:

Screen: Defy 3.7" 480x854 Optimus 3.2" 320x480

RAM: Both 512MB

ROM: Defy 1.9GB Optimus 512MB

Battery: Defy 1540mAh Optimus 1500mAh

Camera: Defy 5MP Optimus 3.1MP

So, what is the problem I hear you cry? Well, as we all know, hardware specs don't tell the whole story. From the little I've read about the LG software, it's pretty close to vanilla Android - and it's 2.2 as well. The Defy has the overhead of Motoblur and is running on 2.1. And we all know how Motorola treats updates on Android. I also believe that LG has committed to delivering Gingerbread as well? That's a major plus, since the Defy will NEVER see that.

What I want to know is this: what is the Optimus One like on a day to day basis, with the stock UK ROM? My friend will not want to root (or have me do it for him) - he just wants a phone that works out of the box.

Also, any other relevant info you think I ought to know would be greatly appreciated, ie. known faults, bugs etc.

Thanks!
[Optimus One, P500, V General] bioan:
Definetly DEFY ! Trust me, the dev community on that phone is going to grow. The phone is awsome. Same GPU as Galaxy S, TI OMAP processor, Gorilla Glass Display, what could you ask for more ?

P.S: Defy has official 2.2.1.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] setspeed:
Ha ha, I've posted this question in the Defy forums as well as here - hoping to get a balanced view by comparing answers from owners of both. Little did I suspect I'd get told here to recommend the Motorola handset! :-)
[Optimus One, P500, V General] teh_1:
I would go for the DEFY too.

It also has a 800MHz CPU (200MHz might not seem that big of a difference but it still counts imo) and Flash Lite support.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] bioan:
Both phone are value for money, but Defy offers a lot more.

It has Full Flash support.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] setspeed:
OK, then I guess the decision is made (from my point of view), although there is the possibility my friend will still want to go for the Optimus One no matter what I say - it is slimmer and has buttons which he may like over the Defy's capacitive ones. Does the Optimus have any known faults or problems?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] sarfaraz1989:
Once Defy is rooted...what android version can we have on it???? Does it have a gingerbread port for it???
[Optimus One, P500, V General] bioan:
Yeah. You must root it and add custom recovery in order to apply the patch for touch screen lag bug. When you touch the screen, the CPU goes up to 100%. The patch solves it !
[Optimus One, P500, V General] masteryx:
Isn't that awkward, we all advice you to go for the Motorola Defy, and we all are from Romania... do I sense a little bit of regret that we went for the Optimus as Defy wasn't available yet? :D

OK, so I never held a Defy in my hand and I don't know anything about it, but the hardware specs alone would have convinced me to buy it over the Optimus. Now, concerning your question: LG Optimus One will feel a little bit sluggish on stock ROM. Buggy touchscreen driver makes CPU spike to 100% while touching the screen (corrected with custom kernel). Dust gets under the screen if the phone is carried in pocket. Camera is not outstanding, although rich in features. Not having any source of light such as LED flash lowers even more the quality of pictures taken inside or in poor light. These are the cons, from my personal experience.

The pros, now. Good all-round phone for its price. Decent battery life (I can go 2 days between charges). Sports Froyo, update to Gingerbread officially announced. Decent performance out of the box, outstanding performance with a custom ROM, a little bit of overclocking and improved touchscreen driver. Good overall radio behavior (WiFi, cell signal and GPS).

That's what I gathered in 2 months+ of daily use, I hope it's useful.