yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
well if you read his response to that kind of comment, you consider giving him a point...

"You can see exactly which programs are running at the 1:40 mark. The 3 benchmark programs are not running any benchmarks. Email, settings, Twitter and Market don't exactly do much in the background either. I should be able to run email and Twitter while loading a web page though, shouldn't I? Regardless, the browser behaves the same way after a fresh boot with nothing else running."

I mean.. it s a DUAL CORE smartphone gush

BTW the notification you saw on the upper bar are just... notifications those are not programs running intensively and eating cpu in the background. Plus he clearly states that the 02X acts the same way even after a fresh boot, and again it s a DUAL CORE smartphone so if you can't do simple things like in his situation what s the point of it ? android still seriously lacks some optimization in the browser department against say the iPhone, that s a well known fact
[Galaxy S II General] virussnake:
my single core desire doesnt behave like that... this guy is talking bs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSuRwn1RBPM
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
well my "single core" galaxy S doesn't behave like that on the majority of heavy websites too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpH3oX9RhIE

But in some particular website (pocketnow.com, xda forums with 2010 skin) I got to admit that it actually often act like in the vid, choppiness and checkerboards everywhere. And I bet your desire too
[Galaxy S II General] Bernardos70:
I don't know if it has any bearing on it, and it obviously is of less significance to you since you're in France and only have the Optimus 2X available to you, but in the US the model will be called G2x, and it seems at least superficially to be faster. I only have one video to go by (a hands on done by engadget if I'm not mistaken) but if it is any indication, it could be faster than the LG-skinned Optimus 2x. I mean even unlocking the Optimus 2x seemed laggy, whereas the G2x was the fastest phone I've ever seen. The only way it could be faster is if it predicted what you were going to tap on next.

EDIT: Here's the video http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/22/t-mobile-g2x-from-lg-hands-on-video/

That is the fastest phone I've ever seen.
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
ived worked for an hour or so in total with lg optimus 2x here called LG Maximo 2x, its not slower than that video, everything worked just as fast, browsing, quickly going through menus, starting a game, music player etc... no "lag" at all.
[Galaxy S II General] Kailkti:
Not really related to the GPU, but lawl, samsung felt the pressure from HTC and pushed the specs to 1.2ghz. xD

see the article:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii_dualcore_cpu_will_run_at_12_ghz-news-2491.php
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
Just one thing : they farcking what ???

They bumped the clock frequency of the CPU because there is 1 competitor that is at 1.2Ghz ??? What the .. I mean really ?

I guess that they are doing the same thing as for the iPad 2 and their galaxy tabs, they slimed them down to be thinner than the iPad 2

Incredible move...
[Galaxy S II General] tintol:
Samsung guideline is:

"I'm the wiz and nobody beats me"
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
nice one, hopefully this wont increase even more the price, 670€ is insanely enough xD
[Galaxy S II General] amsnake:
There is interesting news on Facebook from Estonian official Samsung source:

Which translates to:

Great news! Galaxy S II processor will be running at 1.2GHz (earlier was mentioned at 1.0GHz). With this processor the Samsung Galaxy S II will be the fastest dual core Gingerbread smartphone in the world!

link: http://www.facebook.com/samsungee

PS. Not sure about which processor they are talking about though.

GSMArena also has an article about this:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii_dualcore_cpu_will_run_at%20_12_ghz-news-2491.php
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
meh, look up dude
[Galaxy S II General] Alpha Trion:
Do we know if samsung are just overclocking the 1GHz proc? or if it's a new 1.2GHz proc altogether?
[Galaxy S II General] diSke:
Read the last paragraph on this article

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-ii-delayed-until-june-spec-changes-to-blame/

It states and I quote

Any thoughts?
[Galaxy S II General] powersupply:
tegra2 or exynos?

which one would "you" choose?

Tegra 2 or Exynos?
[Galaxy S II General] Ayrlupine:
Exynos all the way.
[Galaxy S II General] zabhi:
nvidia tegra 2 :D
[Galaxy S II General] sckc23:
seriously.. another thread?! i thought we have had lots of discussion on this already..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=978113
[Galaxy S II General] powersupply:
most games are build around tegra2. which means would run smoother and better than exynos, isn't it?
[Galaxy S II General] Bilhouse:
Probably Exynos. I have a Motorola Xoom and that runs on an nvidia Tegra2 and I hear it has difficulty decoding and playing hi-bitrate films and certain HD video files. I don't know if thats just on the Xoom but I would like to have a simple drag, drop and play media experience. Anyway i'm sure the GPU in the S2 can more than handle the top tier games.
[Galaxy S II General] powersupply:
thanks for the links...
[Galaxy S II General] dhruvmalik:
Let's disuse this at the other thread. But Exynos is what I would choose.

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[Galaxy S II General] powersupply:
So in conclusion,

Tegra 2 is good for gaming, but poor in HD video decoding.

Exynos is good in video decoding but poor in gaming.
[Galaxy S II General] powersupply:
OK...........................
[Galaxy S II General] powersupply:
So in conclusion,

Tegra 2 is good for gaming, but poor in HD video decoding.

Exynos is good in video decoding but poor in gaming
[Galaxy S II General] fracmo2000:
Nice, the tablet itself looks really nice...i like that type of design.

Im due an upgrade and have been checking this out recently...the new samsung chip rocks. As far as Im aware, its the first time the mali400 gpu (quad!!) has been used in a mobile device,

apple decided to stick with PowerVR and opted for the dual core PowerVR SGX 543MP2.

htc (Sensation) went for the dualcore snapdragon with the Adreno 220

I guess we need to wait till more people have these devices before a proper call can be made as alot of the tech used hasnt been used before. But, I think its between the sgs2 and the ipad2/iphone5
[Galaxy S II General] erahk64:
There can't be a conclusion until retail version with finished SW has been tested.

Check also these benchmarks:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12361281&postcount=377
[Galaxy S II General] olyloh6696:
Tegra 2 doesnt look that powerful! I have seen many videos of the dhd vs 2x, they arent that far of in the browsing test! Only a 1-2 sec difference! Same with the atrix! Tegra 2 isnt that powerful after all?! The 1ghz snapdragon cpu is quite enough already!

As many ppl say... You cant make a os faster at top speed Already!
[Galaxy S II General] b15love:
yea it doesnt. Its already been toppled by the same GPU in the current galaxy s. LG knew Tegra 2 wasnt enough for what they needed, so they went with a dual core and a sgx540. Considering the benchmarks that are out already, this gpu is gonna rock
[Galaxy S II General] Chainfire:
Great news, the Netherlands is getting 1.2 ghz Exynos / SAMOLED+. Happiness!

Why would the Exynos be poor in gaming? The Exynos GPU is supposed to be quite a bit faster than Tegra 2's. Or do you think that those games "optimized for Tegra 2" will not work on Exynos? That would be a real bad idea from the publisher's wallet's perspective.

We can't know before testing both types of devices, but I think the Exynos will beat the Tegra 2 in gaming as well ;)
[Galaxy S II General] OHDUSER:
I believe most of the markets will be getting exynos.. or at least I hope so... I feel like Samsung home made SOC is... I dunnu.. BETTER.. I hope I'll be getting it instead of tegra 2..
[Galaxy S II General] dhruvmalik:
Well lets just say that the Exynos is perhaps more in tune with the SGS II's UI and overall performance.

I think the gaming can be more optimized for the Mali chip, but lets see. If the SGS II becomes a universal hit with the Exynos, then more game makers will enhance their games for that chip.
[Galaxy S II General] tvp2411:
In reality dual-core SGX543>overclock Single-Core SGX 540> 8-core tegra 2> quad core mali 400

As much as i want mali 400 to be on top, but they are the very bottom of all the dual core phone. Its reality but i would still get SGS2 just for the screen
[Galaxy S II General] OHDUSER:
LOL where did you get that from?
[Galaxy S II General] Chainfire:
Except that it isn't reality. The Odroid (Exynos/Mali400) easily beats the Optimus3D (SGX540) and Atrix 4G (Tegra2), and it's pushing a lot more pixels. Taking that into account, the Odroid even outbenches the iPad2 (SGX543) by 6%, making the Mali400 the king in mobile land in performance/pixel.

Keep in mind that the Odroid also pushes a lot more pixels than the SGS2 will, and the SGS2 will be clocked even higher. Often GPU clock is dependent on CPU clock, so...

I haven't seen benches for the new Qualcomm offering, but I don't really expect them to beat the Mali400 - not even sure if we should expect them to match the Tegra2 really.
[Galaxy S II General] OHDUSER:
well, it been told that the 3000 score benchmark is actually a 1.2ghz clock ticking SGS2..
[Galaxy S II General] Chainfire:
I'm using glBenchmark sources here. Quadrant is not a reliable benchmark for anything, let alone GPU. And as we're looking at GPU in this case, the most reliable source is glBenchmark.
[Galaxy S II General] tvp2411:
I hope i am wrong, Since i am getting SGS2 for the screen. But recent bench show SGS2 gpu is below par. Tegra 2 always outperform mali 400. let me find a recent bench...
[Galaxy S II General] sckc23:
i'm no expert but i couldn't quite understand the logic behind Samsung going for Mali-400 if they know its worse than SGX540. They could have easily used the same GPU in hummingbird and overclock it in Exynos (just like OMAP4).
[Galaxy S II General] OHDUSER:
I'm more then sure that samsung knows more than us about all this...
[Galaxy S II General] tvp2411:
It could have been many reason but they already bought mali. its either collect dust and spend more money on sgx or save money and use there own.
[Galaxy S II General] sckc23:
That could well be the reason but i believe Samsung is smart enough not to make such move. Anyway these are only speculations and we'll wait to see the retail products before making any conclusions.
[Galaxy S II General] tadjiik:
Please show us :)

In the meantime - check out Odroid-A vs. Motorola Xoom on glbenchmark.com - that is fairly recent, and the Odroid-A has quite a higher resolution than LG.

Except for the neocore benchmark at gsmarena (where sgsii is obviously reaching the VSYNC limit, making the score meaningless) and the outdated anandtech glbenchmark benchmark, I cannot find a graphics benchmark where Tegra2 is outperforming (or even beating) Exynos.
[Galaxy S II General] OHDUSER:
you know what? I dont give a dam about who has better GPU... o_O what will it help you with?

all I know is, it very powerful hardware, its smooth and fast, it runs my beloved 1080P and 720P MKV movies, it can share them through MHL, it runs games fairly good.

what else do I need? nothing! I dont care what gpu is better than the other, as long as mali plays my full HD mkvs im alright with the rest!
[Galaxy S II General] Beards:
All I know is Samsung are pouring a hell of a lot of cash into becoming the number one manufacturer.

They don't do that by saving costs using a second-rate GPU and other hardware.

Samsung know what they are doing, they have the figures not just for the SGSII but other phones as well.

We have already seen them change the CPU to 1.2 which cost them a heck of a packet.

Look what they did with the new Tablets..... they scrapped, redesigned and brought out two completely new Tablets in such a short time simply because they want to be seen as number 1.

Their Amoled program actually is running at a loss but they still continue to pour further money into manufacturing these superb screens.

They could take the easy financial option and use S-LCD but you don't get to be seen as the best by using poor rated equipment.
[Galaxy S II General] GlossGhost:
Both models

Actually, our country is getting phones from other countries, so we will have the both models, but not selling from the operators ( "Sim Free" ). I know that the price is getting higher but if I wait for the service provider to start selling this phone my hair will turn white. :D
[Galaxy S II General] bronx:
yaaay! chainfire on board. :D are You getting one as well?? (sgs2)

I hope that exynos will be popular among devs from xda... :)
[Galaxy S II General] dhruvmalik:
Well put...

From working in Retail years ago, I would see Samsung make every attempt to capture the market some way or the other. They always were good with screens but were never any good with their cellular division. That all changed and now that they have traction, they will not let it go.
[Galaxy S II General] okorn_:
Me too!

Getting I9100 with Exynos :D

Europe has good devs, and Europa gets Exynos. So lets hope :)

With unlocked bootloader magic can be done (?)
[Galaxy S II General] dhruvmalik:
Perhaps the i9103 is saved for the US? This is so they can compete with the Atrix / G2X crowd and be a Better Tegra 2 Phone?
[Galaxy S II General] MustWarnothers:
If this ends up being true, I'm holding you personally responsible :mad:
[Galaxy S II General] Master05:
I'm still concerned about Samsung releasing two versions of their phone as both would need different drivers (correct me if i'm wrong?) and therefore software has to be written for both devices? Then again could that difference in processors at any point prevent me from using apps/games (not Nvidia Tegra Zone stuff but normal android stuff) :confused:
[Galaxy S II General] okorn_:
Master05, there will be different OS. But only maybe some games will need Tegra to run, or run better on Tegra.

But apps? I dont think so. Yoou wont have any problems there.

Yes, its possible.
[Galaxy S II General] Death666Angel:
I doubt this will be different from stuff like Worldphone/CDMA. I come from the Touch Pro 2 and it has 2 distinct forums, one for GSM phone stuff and one specifically for the CDMA version. I expect something similar from SGS2 with Exynos/Tegra2.

Drivers will be different, but software is developed for the OS, not for the hardware. Think AMD/Intel and AMD/Nvidia for desktop OS and programs.

As for any limitations on app usage, I doubt that very much. Look at the variety of processors for Android smartphones already out. This will be no different. Sure, some game might run better on on processor than on the other. But that is already the case judging by some app descriptions ("for phone x turn option y off" is something I read a few times).
[Galaxy S II General] DesktopMan:
The whole "Tegra games" stuff is mostly money shifting hands and marketing. The compatibility is at the API level, which ensures that any GPU implementing the required features can play games on Android. There is always room for slight issues from one GPU to another of course, but as long as Galaxy II (and the upcoming tablets using Exynos) become popular they will enter the test setup of game devs and there will be no problems.

The Mali GPU *should* be much faster than Tegra 2, as indicated by the Odroid benchmarks and the fact that Tegra 2 is pretty old and slow at this point. This requires good drivers though, which is why I'm waiting on proper launch device benchmarks.

I am only interested in the Exynos version as I prefer actually being able to play videos I have without converting them.
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
Codecs integrated have nothing to do with which SoC you will have dude...
[Galaxy S II General] DesktopMan:
Yes it does. Tegra 2 doesn't do high profile h264 very well (or at all on some resolutions). Of course, software comes on top of that, but Samsung already did very well there on Galaxy S. Only thing I'd say is missing from that is DTS audio support.
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
So it is impossible to read an mkv vid at 1080p on a tegra 2 device ? I don't think so, so as I said if the GSII is said to read several codecs mp4, divx etc both the exynos and tegra 2 version will do so, they'll definitetly find a trick that's samsung after all
[Galaxy S II General] DesktopMan:
Sure it could do 1080p h264 on the Tegra 2 device. It just won't do high profile 1080p. No Tegra 2 device has been able to do this so far, and it's likely the reason why Boxee ditched Tegra 2 in the Boxee Box.

More: http://google.com/search?q=tegra 2 high profile

PS: Neither mkv nor mp4 are codecs, they are containers. Some devices might support h264 in an mp4 container but not in an mkv container or opposite. The original Galaxy S supports both, as does my Xoom, except it can't play any of my videos as they are high profile.
[Galaxy S II General] tobin_o:
Tegra2 -and- Super AMOLED Plus??

Hey guys, just scoped this from a few days ago:

http://www.android-hk.com/news/hk-galaxy-s-ii-nvidia-tegra-2/

According to this reply from Samsung's Facebook account, Hong Kong will be getting a T2/SA+ combination! I didn't think Sammy was making this combination???

This kinda sucks, because I was really hoping to get the E/SA+ package locally here :( Guess I'll be confirming on my order with Clove...
[Galaxy S II General] Chainfire:
That's indeed a new combo to hear about for me as well... Interesting!
[Galaxy S II General] ankydu:
more and more games are being released for the tegra 2 devices. Tegra 2 is a very capable processor if not better than the exynos. So dont you all think that tg2 + SA+ is a better combo ?
[Galaxy S II General] Death666Angel:
No. All the reports I have read about Tegra2 being better than Exynos compared retail Tegra2 devices with protoype Exynos ones. And the evidence to the contrary has been steadily growing over the last weeks. See ODroid-A for example. Tegra 2 should have been released last fall. It is still very good, don't get me wrong, after all it is the first dual-core SoC for phones. But Exynos and OMAP4 will most likely be more powerful.
[Galaxy S II General] ankydu:
Well if they were powerful enough then why do you think samsung made the last minute decision to bump the processor of sgs2 from 1 ghz to 1.2 ghz.
[Galaxy S II General] m4nu:
I think it's because of the 1.2 ghz cpu in the htc sensation.

In my opinion samsung has made this step to compete on paper, not on the real performance.
[Galaxy S II General] Master05:
From an unbiased point of view:

Which are the sectors (games, video, recording, apps, etc etc) where those two processors could differ

noticeably

in terms of performance?
[Galaxy S II General] Death666Angel:
I agree, marketing and because they could most likely were the relevant factors. They wanna get the crown devices in all aspects, that's also why they further decreased the 8.9 and 10.1 tablets after the iPad2 was unveiled. They just want the crown for the specs, bragging rights, easy advertising.

The noticeable differences between the processors? All I've read is that Tegra 2 is not that great at playing back various 1080p videos flawlessly. Exynos most likely will have an advantage there. Other thant that, I doubt much will be noticeable on the whole. Probably better support for Tegra2 on the basis of its exposure, but not sure if it will be that noticeable considering that SGS2 will likely be the most sold Android device this year.

We'll have to wait for the first real world experiences of people. But both phones, assuming SAMOLED+ on both, are great to have. :)
[Galaxy S II General] rouvax:
I think more important question is about, their power consumptions...

Which one needs less power ?
[Galaxy S II General] kreoXDA:
I read somewhere, that when Sammy builds a Tegra device, Sammy can only do so going by the manufacturer's specifications and documentation. When Sammy builds a device based on its own CPU, it has a breadth of internal information available that help make the design better and more efficient.
[Galaxy S II General] ndnesh:
I Agree! Experience in creating a new SoC would also have given them the information required to really put together the Android OS around the chipset. They would know its flaws, its strengths, its capabilities than that of Tegra 2. In turn, this would lead to better power management and better usage of the SoC by the OS.
[Galaxy S II General] bigcvm:
I had a xoom, anrd let me tell you that the decoding is ****. I bought it because a wanted to watch hd def videos and guess what? Is not has better has my $200 chinese player (ainol, it decode almost anything no matter the size and the resolution of the video). I am waiting for the vlc app

Enviado desde mi Xoom usando XDA Premium App
[Galaxy S II General] DesktopMan:
Because they're slightly late to the game, and Tegra 2 uses the exact same CPU core. Though Samsung also has Neon which Tegra 2 does not, so it's more like an OMAP in that regard.

The CPU in the HTC Sensation is a Snapdragon dual core, which is a souped up custom A8. The A9s in Tegra 2 / Exynos should get slightly better performance per mhz.
[Galaxy S II General] DesktopMan:
On tablets the actual battery draw is the screen, which I hope and think Samsung has the skills to pull off. They make the displays after all. Can't wait for tests on this.
[Galaxy S II General] alex9898:
According to this information, the Mali 400 in SGSII is really faster than the GPU in the Tegra 2.

http://twitpic.com/4nq5lc
[Galaxy S II General] Master05:
Good news as I'm going to get an Exynos version of the phone :)
[Galaxy S II General] DesktopMan:
Egypt scores are lower than Ipad 2, which is disappointing, as the Ipad 2 pushes 50% more pixels. Other than that it's looking decent. The triangle tests are very low, but some of the others are much higher compared to Ipad 2 so I'm questioning how useful they are for comparison.

One weird observation: The scores for the Egypt benchmark is about the same as they are for the ODROID-A tablet which has a 1366*768 resolution, which brings me to think something else is limiting this benchmark. Memory bandwidth possibly?
[Galaxy S II General] alex9898:
Maybe but i'm more inclined to think it has something to do with the drivers because i dont think that hardware of the ODROID-A is very different from SGSII.
[Galaxy S II General] DesktopMan:
No the hardware is basically the same, that's why I compared them. I doubt a driver issue would limit only one of many benchmarks to a certain frame rate irregardless of resolution (ODROID_A = 70% more pixels), though not impossible.
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
You are quite wrong when comparing "performance per pixels count", simply because it's not ONLY framebuffer drawing/flipping that GPU performs, but also (and that's a very large part of GL 2.0 graphics that GLBenchmark uses) vertex shaders and render-to-texture techniques. Vertices count remains the same regardless of screen resolution, you know, and so does textures' sizes. So, you can't just make a proportion of displays' pixel counts to estimate the corresponding performance, that's why all your "per pixels" thoughs are pointless and simply misleading, because resolution doesn't play that much in those benchmarks
[Galaxy S II General] kcab87:
Well of course it'll be clearly stated. That's the selling point of the device, Nvidia isn't creating a GPU just to be part of the mobile revolution. They are making a statement with this Tegra 2. Which leaves me thinking, what happen to the Tegra 1?
[Galaxy S II General] alex9898:
You are right but i don't mean that drivers are totaly wrong, if it's a bug, it may affect only a single test.

If it's a brandwidth issue, it would affect other test i think no ?

But maybe you are totaly right, i don't know lol.