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[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
Just curious why you want dual core outside of saying that you have it? Is there some app in particular that you use that will be updated to use both cores? Most apps that run in the background have so little overhead that a bump in speed is far more beneficial than adding another core. I'd like to have the option of a single multi-threaded core or dual core. I'd take a 1.5Ghz multi thread single core over a 1.0Ghz dual core any day of the week in my phone. Not sure if there is a single droid app out there that would actually have any benefit of another core at all???

I think true benefit would come from a heterogeneous processor design that basically fed all of the 'phone' functions to a 100Mhz or so core that did nothing but "basic" phone functions. Any graphics or other type processing would rely on the video unit as well as the "high speed" core, which is typically switched off when the phone is being used as a phone, or is idle waiting for a call, etc.... The video cpu should have adequate ram to store icons and stuff of the such where screen rotations, page flips, etc... should be instantaneous. There shouldn't be any lag when rotating orientations and what not. Battery life could be significantly greater using a low power/speed cpu when that's all that is required.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
I agree with the last post. The only reason to upgrade to a dual core phone today is to future proof yourself and maybe a bit more efficient battery usage. Seems like as it stands now, it's the eqivalent of buying a high end blu-ray player just to watch standard DVDs.
[Epic 4G General] swanysto:
I have been reading the forum for a while now and the only use I could tell would be compiling packages or roms. Dual core would definitely help with that. Outside of that it would just be a benchmark machine. There are two ways to use a dual core chip. Either you can program code to run across both cores at the same time(which most programmers do not do if you couldn't tell from the computer side). The simplicity of apps does not really generate a desire for programmers to do this. The other is multitasking. You can run more than one thread at a time since one is going to each. I can't see this helping all that much unless you have programs that run in the background.

I can however see it draining battery. But to each his own.
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
I bought a ps3 when blu-ray first came out and now I don't have to waste money on a 3d-player

I want a dualcore phone solely for the fact that I'll be futureproof.

Unless its like the epic, I'm not gonna uprade tho. The epic is probably the best single core phone, so hats adequate enough to hold me down until october
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
October sh...t ill wait 2 years before i get another phone. let them really get these bugs of the dual cores fixed and smoothed and to let the carriers catch up in the upgrading of android. unless there are some really sweet features that i cant live without and we cant get modded to this phone.
[Epic 4G General] Joeway124:
I'll probably wait until they iron things out and see if there will be more implementations to take advantage of the dual core feature, rather than purchasing the first gen models.
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
Well...to put into perspective of the futureproofability of the epic....the g1 just got a half working port of honeycomb LOL
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
The PS3 is 5yrs old already. It took more than 2 years for titles to start hitting BluRay regularly. And since that time, the $500 PS3, dropped $100 after just 1yr, and came down another $100 2yrs after that. I'm betting against the "future" having any use for the dual core cells dropping now. Sort of how the future has nothing to do with the Galaxy Tab. By the time the software is written to utilize the Tab, it will be an Atom amongst i3s. If it can run 3.0, it will be so painfully slow that you'll toss it out the window. You may have plans for the 'future', but the future will have no plans for you :cool: Why don't you just save $$ by using one's head, and buy things when they can actually be utilized? You haven't had the epic but at most 7 months......keep it a full 2 years and grab the 2nd run of dual cores that have issues sorted out and software to utilize it.

Sort of like buying a USB 3 card 2 years ago for $100 when nothing utilized it. Now that devices are actually releasing for it, they're $27
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I am aware technology tends to advance quickly, but why would I want to buy something that would be outdated by the time the next best thing comes out?
[Epic 4G General] DAvid_B:
Intel mobil .24nm dual core FTW!

Seriously, I don't see how the Galaxy 2 will not have horrible battery time.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
As long as they stay away from that Tegra 2 stinker of a dual core. What a let down that is.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
Hummingbird dual-core makes me drool...
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
IDK. I am all about the TI OMAP 4430 with PowerVR SGX 540 clocked at 300mhz. The Optimus 3d has it and it DESTROYS the Tegra 2 and UTTERLY DESTROYS the Exynos Samsung dual core thing. The PowerVR SGX 540 is the exact GPU we have in our phones, except clocked 50% faster. WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Check out the anandtech review of the Optimus 3d for benchmarks.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
Is it said what carrier will have the Optimus 3d?

EDIT: Just looked it up, looks like T-Mobile...along with Galaxy S II. WTH? lol
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Haven't seen a carrier yet. Its a damn cool phone and would be awesome for Sprint. I am not into the whole 3d thing yet, but having that option is kind neat. The hardware though, omg the hardware makes me drool.

If only we could overclock our powervr sgx540 gpu, that would be amazing. Not much use at the moment, but if we ever got microusb to hdmi out it would be able to play 1080p as well as the 720p its currently capable of.

Edit: Damnit, T-Mobile gets all of the amazing phones.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
Well, I'm taking this link into consideration when I make a conclusion...still kinda iffy though.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110210173729AAswla4
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
I do plan onkeepingthe epic...its basically the epitome of the single core generation. The only way to one-upit is with dual cores. By the time I have to upgrade, quad cores will be out.

I hate how fast tech gets aged...but the hummingbird is more than dequate for my mobile needs....I mean come on. The epic has been out for 7 months (the galaxy s has been out since may I think...) and only NOW are phones/tablets catching up to its capabilities.

I'm probably not gonnaget a dual core phone. But I wouldn't mind a dual core tablet to compliment the epic for when stuff gets real serious and I need to whip out the pc-grade stuff
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
You see the benchmarks on anandtech?
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
T-mo is actually a great company when it comes to phone selection...

Service on the other hand.....

I think deutche telekom should sell its american arm to sprint.

Imagine? Att and verizon will **** themselves because sprint would've caugt up with them overnight

Or they should merge. Sprint would have a nicelittle pool of money at hand if it was under DT....
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
It's really that much better than the Evo? ROFL!
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
A T-mobile / Sprint merger has been discussed before. It's unknown whether the plans are official though.

http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20010423-85.html
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Oh, I completely agree here. The Epic4g will be plenty for me for at least another year if not more. It is essentially AMAZING hardware. I have fallen in love with the GPU made by Imagination Technologies. Its kind of little known, but our Epic4g is essentially an iPad. Same CPU and very similar GPU.

I am just waiting for a tablet to beat my Epic4g in video playback. It has yet to be done. When blackberry launches their thing it will be better because they use the TI OMAP4430, but its a blackberry. Can't wait to see what Android manufacturers come up with. Hopefully they dont all use the Tegra 2.
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
They haven't recovered from the Nextel merger yet!
[Epic 4G General] Muckrak3r:
The more cores your phone has, the bigger your mobile peen gets. Basic.
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
March 22. Bet they release a device then.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I would imagine they'd have advertising of some sort by then...unless you're referring to the dual screen Echo.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Honestly I feel like the Echo was just a last ditch effort to have some publicity while they tried to land a killer device, like the saying goes "Any press is good press".
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
A dual-core phone is useless without a good network to back it up. I am waiting on what Sprint's 4G plan is. What will they do about incompetent Clearwire and future LTE? Network Vision needs to get implemented asap. Sprint's high frequency waves cannot penetrate the building I am in now. The best I can do is force roam on Verizon's 1x network.
[Epic 4G General] Tecchief:
Really, after the major fumble over the release of Epic with 2.1 and the eventual release of 2.2.1(if it ever comes), why would anyone bank on the release of 2.3 for the SGS2
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I haven't heard many Gingerbread problems with the Nexus S. One can only hope, though.
[Epic 4G General] revengesrage:
If I can play my H.264 720p videos without having to convert them, then I would love to have a dual core phone. My Friend has the atrix and I'm about to run some tests if I get good results I'm definitely upgrding from my evo come june july, if there is something available. If I dont get good results well theres no sense in me upgrading then for a good while.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I'm kind of glad this topic was revivied. :)

Now we can move the discussion onto the HTC EVO 3D or Possibly the *Dualcore* Nexus S? :D
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
ATT uses HSPA+, which wasn't technically 4G (more of a 3.5G). But it's made an impression speedwise and sometimes it's much faster than Sprint's WiMax. It's been proven that LTE is the most covered and stable 4G network.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Atrix is using a Tegra 2. No way your videos play. Tegra 2 is incapable of high profile @L4.1 or higher. Right now, no Tegra 2 device can play ANY high profile videos, but this may change. Even so, the Tegra 2 will never be able to play high profile@L4.1 or higher h.264.
[Epic 4G General] dumsum19:
ok I might be wrong and probably am but why not just get a dual core phone and get the unlock code so u can use it on sprint
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Because you can't unlock CDMA phones.
[Epic 4G General] shouse:
Sounds amazing, now go design it....
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
By that time they'll have quad core, if it's anything like PCs. But I'm sure I'm not stating anything new.
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
You are correct.

Quad-core phones are due by Christmas time 2011. Quad-core tablets are due by August of 2011. These will all use the new Nvidia Tegra 3 quad-core processor.

Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4181/...re-a9s-coming-to-smartphonestablets-this-year

(I had a better source before, but I found that one pretty quick)
[Epic 4G General] XtaC318:
Quad cores in a phone is just over kill. You won't need anymore than a single core, unless you're gaming, really. This phone is plenty fast at 1.2ghz. Now, if webos launched a phone running a dual core that'd be a completely different story.
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
Well, the only thing I'd be worried about in a quad core phone is the battery life. But still, the whole purpose of the multiple cores was really focused on gaming anyway. I think it's a great idea for tablets (Crysis on a tablet! xD) but I agree, I think a phone is too soon. Then again, I'd have to see how it works.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
Could be more efficient.
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
I've been thinking of selling my epic towards the evo 3D since my account doesnt allow me to upgrade my account.

I'm going to miss the keyboard the most if I do :/
[Epic 4G General] XtaC318:
The amount of time the processor is used will be less, but suck up more juice.. the question there is.. will the reduced time balance out the need for power? If so, the great. But, even so you only really need a quad core for tablets(gaming).
[Epic 4G General] mrhocuspocus:
the galaxy s2 has already been announce for sprint sorta
[Epic 4G General] XtaC318:
As with the evo 3d. They're supposed to drop this summer.
[Epic 4G General] nutswillkillme:
I'm within the restrictions of the 22 month upgrades at this point. I dunno how everyone is getting or these new phones all the time. No way anyone here who has the EPIC is eligable for the $150 off to buy the Nexus S or the EVO 3D. Is there that many people call sprint and demanding their full upgrade or is everyone forking up 600 bucks for a new phone everytime some cheesy/pointless new technology comes out. By the time any of us can actually upgrade they'll be working on 8 core phones probably, or somethin entirely different.
[Epic 4G General] daddymikey1975:
I was kinda wondering this myself.. How do they all do it ??

I'd love to get in on this action :)
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
One way is to open a new line account, and get the new phone.

Then sell the old one and use the $$ to pay the ETF fee to close the 1st line.
[Epic 4G General] :
G1

I have a G1 with 2.2 installed on it, I had 2.3 on it, but it just ran very poorly mainly due to memory constraints. My fiance has CM7 on her hero, and it runs well enough. We will be getting her a duel core phone in a few months, and I will have that to play with, but for me, the epic is good enough for the life of my contract, especially if we do get ICS.
[Epic 4G General] z28james:
Weird. I was able to use many sprint CDMA phones on cricket by way of the "msl" or unlock code which allows the upload of another carriers PRL. People have the epic and evo on cricket as well. Strange.
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
The problem with cdma is that unless you do something illegal to get around it, the carrier has to accept your phone for you to use it on their network. That's why verizon phones won't work on sprint without cloning (illegal) or vica versa.

Cricket accepts all phones so that's why you can use the epic on cricket without doing anything illegal like changing the esn.
[Epic 4G General] sewhuy:
So a long as the phone is not on the lost/stolen list, I can resell to an existing spring users?

Jumping on my buddies family plan when Tmo SG2 releases. Horrible reception with Sprint at home and at work.
[Epic 4G General] dmauin717:
i got my epic last year for 300 when it was 250. so im gonna upgrade to the gs2 and stick with that for as long as i can
[Epic 4G General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
That's a good idea.. Especially since they released their new rate plans this morning. With no unlimited data.. Go hop ship.............................................................
[Epic 4G General] fpssiz:
?

Ok can we officially move to the MPD section of technology now? MPD meaning Multi-Purpose Device. Its not just a phone anymore or a pda or a phone. It does everything that a Computer does and then more and more! Its just a matter of time before a computer is not needed and you carry this MPD with you all the time and everyone else will have one matching yours.
[Epic 4G General] xopher.hunter:
Sprint premeire let's u upgrade every year. I have my gf on my plan too I got my epic with her upgrade and gave her my moment. But I feel bad for her since even with 2.2 the moment can't keep up. So I'm gonna give her my upgrade and let her get a nexus s next month. However I get another upgrade in december when quad cores are out ftw! I'm not actually sure how I ended up with sprint premeire though.
[Epic 4G General] Quis89:
Why the hell does anyone need a quadcore PHONE?! Seriously...are our phones not fast enough as is?
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
Its to future proof our devices. More apps and games will need that extra juice to run. My quad core computer is starting to become obsolete and it's only 1 year old.
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
No its not, If you are talking about the Q6600 + CPU's then you are no where near not being able to run what you need to. Especially if you know how to overclock.
[Epic 4G General] Blad3:
lol seriously. im on an e2180 oc'd and I can still run the hell out of most everything.
[Epic 4G General] eigerzoom:
i kind of have a crappy mb to overclock my q6600 but it does support it

i've never successfully overclocked...i have overvolted...

never got the settings right to overclock

zotac microITX geforce 9300
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
This is very true, UNLESS you like to use your computer for gaming. I have a q9300 and I am CPU bottlenecked completely at this point. I am by no means a hardcore gamer, so it doesn't bother me, but running a new high end GPU with the older quad cores will greatly reduce your fps with higher settings. You wouldn't think that a quad core would be bottlenecking a system, but its ridiculous how much it is. Over 30fps in some games.
[Epic 4G General] Khemul:
With the rate that technology advances, there is no point in futureproofing for a 1-2 year stretch. 4-5 years, maybe, but even then look at the computer industry. Computers reached a point years ago where futureproofing wasn't all that necessary. Unless you are trying to stick to the top of artificial benchmarks, or max out every graphics setting, the hardware barely gets a workout anymore. Take gaming out of the equation and the lifespan of the average computer is 3-4x what it was a decade ago.
[Epic 4G General] Zor Omega:
I think the epic will be fine to suit my puropes...for now. I'm going to wait to see what these quad core beasts have to offer before I consider a dual core phone. Hell I just installed chainfire 3d and I'm smoking the games that are "tegra 2 opitmized". I figure once the quad core phones come out android will have it's stuff together to start fully utilizing multicore chips, then we can really see some improvements.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
Haha, Amazon has a 43% off deal with it.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Q6600-2-4Ghz-Fsb1066Mhz-Lga775/dp/B00180DQP2

EDIT: Just noticed that's not very impressive. I don't know much about computer processors, but I'll surely keep an eye on these as of now! My current CPU is starting to show signs of slowy-ness. I got the AMD Phenom(tm) II x4 830 processor (2.8 Ghz) and it can run every game @ mid graphics, but not maximum.
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
You could always upgrade some parts, like a better video card or more RAM.

I wish I could justify building myself another rig, but I can't. Been running a AMD Phenom II x4 940 Black Edition OC'd to 3.8 GHZ(on air) with 8 GB of 1066 RAM and a Radeon 4700 for over 2 years now. Far from top of the line, but it hasn't slowed down one bit. I'm just gonna ride it into the ground.
[Epic 4G General] bryanfritz1:
Yea with computers its one thing, my 9800gt sli, q9550 quad setup finally hit a couple of games it won't do at full 1080p setup, but I think its more of a video card bottleneck, anyways tho. These phones I seriously doubt will ever need that much power unless it cuts way way down on the actual power usage, because of the way tech is going cloud based. Light weight light power usage phones with a strong backend cloud, is what I see.

sent from "The Other Woman"
[Epic 4G General] mrzorbatron:
What's funny is that this is actually pretty close to the case. I have personally thought about it a lot, but can't find a way to directly address the CPU core in the baseband processor. Most phone baseband processors (radio control) actually have a usable CPU core, around 100 MHz usually, generally ARM11 architecture. On a lot of smartphones, it doesn't get used for anything at all and is the telephone equivalent of a vestigial organ. On a more conventional cellular phone, even on the touchscreen "fake smartphone" types, that's what actually does almost all of the work, maybe with the help of a hardware media chip to handle video stream (3gpp and mpeg) and audio stream (mp3, mpeg) tasks.

Most smartphones have two or more discreet processors, the baseband processor, the application processor (in our case the "Hummingbird" Cortex A8+ side of the S5PC110a01 chip), the graphics processor (in our case, the PowerVR SGX 540 side of the S5PC110a01 chip), most phone cameras have their own independent processing, and in some cases an audio processor ("codec chip").

In the Epic and other Galaxy S family phones, the main processor gets used for a lot of menial "bull$hit" work, which although it is more than capable of doing, it does not do efficiently. Just as a single example, MP3 music is decoded by the main CPU, consuming a lot more power than using an audio media processor. That's one reason an iPhone off network can play music for something like a day and a half straight, where our phones can't make it for 12 hours.

If anyone remembers the old Mac IIfx, it was very fast for a 68030 Mac, faster than its 40 MHz core clock should have made it. It had separate processor chips for each serial port, for SCSI management, audio in, audio out, and had no onboard graphics (requiring therefore a hardware graphics processor). They all communicated through a sophisticated DMA scheme, run by its own DMA processor. Obviously, in the case of this desktop computer, power management was not the reason for this multi sub processor scheme, performance was. The same scheme works great for power management at the same time as improving performance, it just increases production costs significantly. The Mac IIfx was $8900 stripped in 1992 and went up from there, but was worth every bit of that to someone who could realize its capabilities.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
Sprint's stepping up their game. They went from none to having the most (i think?)

- HTC EVO 3D

- Motorola Photon 4G

- Samsung WiThin

And iphone coming to Sprint, too.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] hgalanos:
[B[/B]Hi everyone. I have been searching for a simple yet elegant clock for the CHT2 (widget). Many I like, but I cannot get the fonts the way I want them.

I have the perfect lockscreen with the text, size, including date exactly how I want it.

Is anybody willing to make this into a widget for CHT2 so I (and others) can have it as on the today screen?

I have attached a pic, which I hope will help. If the attachment doesn't work, here is a link to a very similar style.

http://www.mobilitynews.net/2010/03/wp7s-lockscreen-fur-htc-hd2/

The details are as follows:

- Clock to have a leading zero eg: 08:12 (for am)

- Colon in the time - Preferrably flashing, but not necessary.

- Date to be centred underneath the clock and have long or short date format, not fussed.

- Text is: HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin

- Time text size: 60, date text size: 20

- Colour: white with very thin black border (although I don't care about the border, plain white is ok)

Obviously being a widget it can be moved around, and resized.

I am happy to buy you a beer if you are willing to create this.

If not, a very good tutorial on how to make your own clocl widget will be great.

Thank you all in advance, and I really hope someone is willing to make this. Can't wait.
[myTouch 4G Themes and Apps] rjhay22:
Update:

.zip uploaded..
[myTouch 4G Themes and Apps] strcheng:
nice!! im currently using some of this, wish to see more icons

thanks
[myTouch 4G Themes and Apps] rjhay22:
Glad you like it, just let me know what app you want me to make an Icon of.