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[Off-topic] martonikaj:
But the device starts at $499. The Xoom is $799 as its only price point. I think its a joke too, but its still cheaper by an extreme amount lol.

This is really sad. At first we said that the Motorola Xoom has to be expensive because of the components. This is completely debunked by the fact that the iPad 2 just launched 1 week later with a dual-core processor, the same storage, 2 cameras, and crafted from aluminum, for $499.

Not to mention that there is no software R&D in Motorolas price, they didn't have to buy Honeycomb. Its just sad that motorola can only release for $799, even the

announced

wifi version is gonna be $599. How can you release with the same specs for $100+ more than the iPad version?

I'm by far NOT an Apple fanboy, but Motorola is gonna have to slash these prices or they're not going to sell 1million Xooms this year. We're gonna have to see the Xoom down to match or be under the iPad 2 prices or its GG Moto imho.

Yep, me too. I'm not going to buy an iPad, but its A LOT harder to buy the Xoom for $799 when I know they're just straight stealing from me for the price of the components. TBH this means that I'm re-thinking waiting on the Xoom literally because I know they must drop the price to get any real sales numbers. I guarantee their numbers were bad before, but they're gonna be even worse now.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Apple sure knows how to put on a show and get people excited, though! Thinner, lighter, same battery life, same price... same accessibility limitations but it is making people drool...
[Off-topic] iamsupreme:
Right. I'm sure if there was a WiFi only, 16GB Xoom, we'd be looking at $499.99 too. The "equivalent" Xoom is 32GB, WiFi for $599.99. The iPad is cheaper because it has options, as far as hardware configuration goes.
[Off-topic] tampabuc2004:
I totally agree i would love to buy a xoom but for the price its a hard sell, and an even harder one with there not being a wifi only version
[Off-topic] fetalp:
ipad 2 is so SQUARE looking haha!! should have copied android with the 10.1 :D
[Off-topic] jvs60:
Same OS = Same ****. FOH

And they shaved .2 pounds off the weight... big deal
[Off-topic] DroidzFX:
4g??

havnt seen 4g?? mentioned unless I missed it
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
And while the Xoom Wifi only version in still not available, the iPad 2 will be available March 11th... makes it harder to wait for Moto especially since Apple also has more experience having successfully launched the first iPad.
[Off-topic] fetalp:
I agree! I'm happier with my XOOM. Now i just need my other one from motorola to ship and i'll be golden
[Off-topic] martonikaj:
Exactly. And that's what I said. The Xoom has 1 price point, $799. I don't care what the mythical lower price point lower storages would be, this is what it is. Motorolas price of entry is $300 higher than the iPad 2, bottom line. 16gb more storage and a 3G radio shouldn't cost me a $300 premium.

Motorola needs to realize that a VAST number of iPad's sold are the 16gb $499 models, not the 64gb 3g $829 models. You

must

have tiered pricing. I don't care if you want to have a $799 version, but you need to have the entry level version or you. will. lose.

Sorry, I just can't buy a Xoom for $799. I won't buy an iPad either because I don't like iOS. I need prices to come down.
[Off-topic] StuMcBill:
So far I haven't seen anything that is going to make me defect from Android!
[Off-topic] atoy74:
I hope Moto is listening regarding price. You have to take down the top dog before you start asking for a premium. Gotta say seeing the Ipad2's price point has me feeling a little buyers remorse
[Off-topic] Sirchuk:
So they caught up with the hardware, still the same old iOS. Whoopty doo. I'll stick with Android.
[Off-topic] iamsupreme:
Then you are disregarding the 3G radio aspect of the iPad. The STANDARD 16GB WIFI only model is $499.99. Not the 3G iPad. How much is the WiFi / 3G 32GB iPad (which won't be a 4G device at any time ever)? I'm just curious as I don't want to go back through the slides on Engadget again and find it.
[Off-topic] bwcorvus:
Working sdcard :o
[Off-topic] StuMcBill:
Although Garageband looks EPIC!
[Off-topic] iamsupreme:
It's $729.99. Okay. So for $70 less, you get a device that can't ever be 4G. Gotcha. Man. That iPad has DRAMATICALLY lower prices than the equivalent Xoom. Let's not compare apples to apples I guess. Let's compare an orange (16 GB WiFi only) to an apple (32 GB WiFi w/ 3G/4G). You need to do a parallel comparison. More options, yes. Same hardware being dramatically less expensive with the iPad? No.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Wifi + 3G, 32GB is $729

Wifi, 32GB is $599
[Off-topic] martonikaj:
That's exactly what I'm saying though. Not everyone wants a 3G tablet. I want the WiFi only version. I'm not going to pay the 3G premium if I'm not going to use it. Just offer the WiFi Xoom version and I don't have a word to say about this. At the same time, I don't want to pay for storage I won't use. The Xoom touts its SD card slot, but just drop the storage and price, and let me add my own storage later. Can you see a theme here? Get that damn price down.

FYI iPad 2 32gb 3G+WiFi is only $729....

But all this goes back to the fact of the premium to just join the ecosystem. What is the entry point to your tablet. You can't advertise on specs, you advertise on the fact that your minimum option, with all the same hardware (cept storage, 3G obv.) for only $499.

Can't say this enough, I won't buy a Xoom at $799 to just use it as a WiFi device. Why can Motorola think that they can price OVER Apple and sell units? lol Sony has been pricing laptops over Apple laptops, and you see how that goes.
[Off-topic] Inphinitizeit:
I like how they said 2011: year of the copy cat ipads. But look what 2010 did with the year of the copy cat iphones. Android took the lead in smart phone sales.
[Off-topic] Jrockttu:
Considering how many people on this forum had no intention of buying a XOOM because of the 4g, and only bought one when they could get it for $600, I think a lot of people overrate the value of the 4g in the XOOM. The majority of people who will buy a XOOM know how to tether a wifi device to their LTE phone when that's possible in the near future.

EDIT: And at this point you're not paying $70 extra for LTE, you're paying $70 extra for the promise of LTE in the future. And you have to put in effort to get it. I am a fervent Apple hater, but I think it's obvious that Apple is embarrassing Moto today.
[Off-topic] cheebahawk:
Yeah but it goes to show you that the whole "bleeding edge tech price" argument that has been used for the Xoom goes OUT THE WINDOW.

I think no matter what your personal preferences are in terms of OS we can all agree:

Moto ****ed up pretty bad here by not providing different models with competitive price points. Doesnt matter whether you hate Apple, Apple got the price points right.

I dont understand the whole argument, that Apple is copying hardware because the trend is towards dual core tablets, phones, etc.

I think I will end up buying a new iPad 2 to use with the family at the sweet 32gb wifi price point of $599. Will give Honeycomb to mature and Android tablet makers to wake the hell up and drop their prices or offer competitive WiFi models and pick one up myself. A win win for all parties!

I guess except the only loser in this case is Moto, for ****ing up their pricing (in terms of not offering options), putting it out so closely to iPad2 release, and losing ppl like me who were on the fence but now will be buying an iPad 2.
[Off-topic] android_master:
Apple

Android 3.0
[Off-topic] stevieraveon:
Samsung Galaxy 10.1 will be same weight. It's 599 grams (which is 1.3 lbs)
[Off-topic] iamsupreme:
Options would be nice, I can't disagree there. I've got a 14 day window. I'll probably return my Xoom before then, though it is a nice piece of hardware. I'll get back into the game when they decide to lower the prices and/or when the WiFi only version comes about. I'll just tether my eventually 4G LTE phone to it at that time.
[Off-topic] cheebahawk:
That was a great Zinger on Jobs' part.
[Off-topic] iamsupreme:
Sadly, I don't think there are even 100 apps yet for Honeycomb.
[Off-topic] cswylie:
I have played with a Ipad and got my Xoom today. The xoom blows the first ipad out of the water. The new ipad is nothing that impressive. Is it just me or are they talking more about the apps they can sell at $5 a pop with 90% margin or the new product they just released?
[Off-topic] android_master:
So iPad 2 -- amazing product. Faster, lighter, thinner. Cameras and gyro. iOS 4.3 and FaceTime. iMovie and GaragrBand. 3G,Same battery life. Same prices. Black and white. Smart Covers.

Man,this has virtually shut down the doors for Xoom,Moto better you drop that bull**** price of yours
[Off-topic] DatterBoy:
This is a key statement.

499 is a wifi only 16gb. If Moto does get the 600$ wifi only version, that's a full flash, expandable memory, USB hostable, 32gb stock, higher resolution beast for 100$ more than an entry level iPad.

However, the Xoom screen still sucks in sharpness and brightness. Significantly.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
I'm platform agnostic at this point as competition makes things better for the consumer... unless you buy a high tech device right before a new one comes out...

I was eyeing an Android tablet, the Adam, for its form factor, swivel camera, and affordable pricing but there are issues like tech support, customer service, and the general lack of apps for the Android platform.

Apple is obviously doing something right with their market penetration, number of apps, price points, and "sex appeal" if you want to call it that.

Sadly, Android is more geared towards tinkerers and people who have the time to mess with things, root, hack, etc. It is fun to do but it's also frustrating to look up information and trying to figure things out. While Apple products are more "limited," for the things that do work, people feel like it's "magical."

Just my opinions.
[Off-topic] tampabuc2004:
This was my fav zinger
[Off-topic] SmokeMasta:
to bad steve doesnt show how he got crushed in the smart phone market

2010 : the year we lost the smartphone market

and if all you can do is insult the other faction then your worried about your own product
[Off-topic] iamsupreme:
You're an idiot.
[Off-topic] chaoscentral:
so you are gonna pay $70 just to test drive the xoom?
[Off-topic] schnoz:
You gotta admit, those apps are pretty badass, though. I don't see any apps on android at the quality of those apps they just showed.
[Off-topic] cheebahawk:
Yeah that one was pretty good. I dont know if Jobs grew some balls cuz he was laying on his death bed before the event, but I dont think I recall Apple specifically calling ppl out like that before.

Also for ppl that are laughing at the whole $39 for HDMI adaptor, do you guys really use the HDMI connection on your devices like that? I have an Evo, and I have never felt the need/desire to hook it up to my flatscreen. So I never felt like it was a necessity.
[Off-topic] iamsupreme:
Jobs calls out people all the time. Nothing new there.
[Off-topic] iamsupreme:
If I return it, I'll pay nothing to test drive it. There isn't a mandatory $70 restocking fee. I'm not comprehending what you're trying to say.
[Off-topic] almostinsane:
No doubt. Just took Moto out of the market that they were never in to begin with.
[Off-topic] martonikaj:
No, he's not, its an extremely true statement. Apple has an entry price point of $499. The Motorola Xoom has an entry price point of $799. Motorola is literally going to sell like 20,000 of these things this year unless they drop the price.

I should say this wouldn't be an issue if Motorola simply had 4-6 different model versions with different storage and radio. They would be crushing right now.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Yep, I bet the folks at Motorola are crapping their pants right now...
[Off-topic] schnoz:
Damn it. No mention of iOS 5. That was the only way I would justify getting the iPad 2, if their OS revamped into something more customizable. Oh well. Back to waiting for the WiFi only Xoom or the Galaxy 10.1.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
"This is worth repeating. It's in Apple's DNA that technology is not enough. It's tech married with the liberal arts and the humanities. Nowhere is that more true than in the post-PC products. Our competitors are looking at this like it's the next PC market. That is not the right approach to this. These are post-PC devices that need to be easier to use than a PC, more intuitive."

"The hardware and software need to intertwine more than they do on a PC. We think we're on the right path with this."

True words.
[Off-topic] neologis:
Couple quick points...

Note they ship WITH 64GB for the 829 price... for Xoom you get 32GB and then you have to go buy for more money another 32GB card to put in... that does not even currently work!

On the flip side xoom can be opened and upgraded at the very least to 4G but likely will have ability to easily replace batteries down the road and possibly switch between carriers by simply switching out the pci express card in it.

I noticed one thing that was omitted in the Apple show today and not listed on their web page anywhere that I found... RAM. iPad ver1 one i believe had 256MB ... I am thinking they avoided listing ram because they are probably shipping with less then a gig in these devices.

and finally... someone mentioned something in a earlier reply about SD card. I could not find anywhere where that would be a option on the iPad 2
[Off-topic] StuMcBill:
There is nothing that this does that an Android tablet can't do?

Its a bit smaller, has a new processor, some camera's, and its pretty much the same as an iPad1!!!

The only thing they really announced was iMovie and GarageBand for iPad!
[Off-topic] almostinsane:
1st gen iPads are $399 now in the Apple Store.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/

Watching the videos now... the cover is brilliant. Simple, smart, and (as all things Apple) expensive.
[Off-topic] tampabuc2004:
I know i hate that they did not launch a wifi version side by side with the current model, i would have already bought one and been back to android instead of waiting and being tempted by the ipad 2.
[Off-topic] Legacystar:
that thing has an enormous bezel
[Off-topic] TheSonicEmerald:
As tempting a price it may seem, my love for Android is too great. Hopefully, this would cause Motorola to lower their prices drastically.

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[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
I've not owned an iPad or any Android device... can you elaborate on what you love greatly about Android... Android tablets in particular?

I am leaning a lot more towards the iPad 2 after following the presentation... it seems very sleek!

Thanks in advance!
[Off-topic] Jrockttu:
I've owned an iPhone, Nexus One, and Xoom. I can say that if you don't like tinkering with devices, don't need flash, and don't mind being locked in to iTunes, iPhone and iPad are far superior user experiences.

I like to tinker, need flash, and hate iTunes, so I'm an Android user. Even given that, I love my Nexus One and dislike the Xoom (price point is more than it's worth, speakers are virtually unusable IMO, I don't like Motorola at all; otherwise it's a pretty good device).
[Off-topic] schnoz:
IPAD

Still has crappy 1024x768 res. Still no SD Card. Still no flash. No knowledge of RAM (WTF, why is nothing reporting on how much RAM this thing has?).

XOOM

No working flash yet, no working sd card yet, not that great screen, still buggy os, not many apps.

I have no idea which one to get. I think I might just put two names in a hat and pick that way. Whatever I pick, I am stuck with for 2 years.
[Off-topic] cheebahawk:
great things about android:

1) customization

2) no walled garden

3) lots of choice in terms of hardware

4) widgets, etc.

great things about iOS:

1) simplicity

2) lots of apps

3) walled garden (keeps malware apps out re: look at 21 apps pulled from android market)

4) airplay

Of course the above points can all be turned into a negative and used to tear each apart.
[Off-topic] Jrockttu:
I think us Android users overrate the need of RAM on iOS. I hear that the iPad is VERY snappy and smooth, even with 256mb RAM. Their OS is much better at utilizing and it's easy for them to optimize their OS for lower RAM requirements because they control the hardware and OS.
[Off-topic] FreaKaDroidXYZ:
I agree. Google's got some catching up to do in the area of "fun" family software. Their productivity apps are fantastic, but I wish they would come out with their own gLife apps to match up with the Mac/ios counterparts. Especially since nobody else has stepped up to the task yet.
[Off-topic] dudeimgeorge:
Trust me, the xoom (or current generation honeycomb tablets) will get really..really good

andy rubin has been talking about how insanely hard google team is working on it and it is just complete nonsense for this NOT to occur.

CEO eric shmidt said this year google is focusing on mobile usage...thats a HUGE STATEMENT.

i know what motorola did sounds stupid..the upgrade 4g process..the flash eventuality as well as the micro slot..but think about it....

its a company that knows another company is releasing something they are competing on..and that company (apple) has 90% share on it!

OFCOURSE they have to early release it and just let it loose. otherwise the noise apple will bring will further diminish this ones existance.

as always, its all about believing in this product...as i have with the nexus phones ..patience is a virtue
[Off-topic] Jrockttu:
You're right, patience is a virtue....so I should have the patience to get my $800 back and wait until a better Honeycomb tablet comes out at a rational price point.
[Off-topic] monadzback:
Ipad2 has the same old screen, and same phone os ..... fail. The sheep will get the Ifail2, people who actuallt need to be productive will get a xoom or other android device
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
I do like to tinker and love hacking things but this is mainly for my wife and I don't want to have to tinker with it to make it work... with me, there's always a hack to make something work but it also takes some time to research and implement...

I played with the Xoom yesterday and I did not like the speakers, either. I had to keep it at less than half volume or else you'd get distortion... yuck!

Good points. Android fans try to overlook that a lot of "promises" on Android are not working properly on the Xoom and other tablets. I think there are ways to get flash to work but you have to hack it.

Good points. Every point has its pros and cons. I want to like the Android as I'm always rooting for the little guy... that may be why I wanted to get an Adam... but that Apple looks so juicy! Simple, elegant, "sexy," tons of apps, tons of applications of how the iPad is used.

By the way, does anyone know if the iPad 2 has GPS? Can you use it as a GPS in lieu of a Garmin with the Wifi only version?

Thanks!
[Off-topic] muyoso:
The people talking about the "same old screen" for the iPad are hilarious. Sure its the same resolution as the iPad, but quality wise it destroys the Xoom or any other Android tablet to date. Its a better screen. I dont like the aspect ratio or the resolution, but the actual panel is higher quality. There is no denying this.
[Off-topic] schnoz:
How does android make you more productive? Apple has apps that you can get that do certain things. Android has apps that you can get that do certain things. Multitasking is only a little better on android devices. The tablets basically do the same things. Android just lets you customize more. I've used an iPad and been plenty productive on it.
[Off-topic] Akulamenuri:
I would sell the Xoom now why it is still relevant (in the consumers' eye) and get an iPad 2. If there is a Honeycomb tablet that comes out later that you want you can just sell the iPad 2 to get the Honeycomb tablet. I only recommend this because the Xoom is going to drop a lot faster in value than an iPad. Just the facts.
[Off-topic] TheSonicEmerald:
No need for IMovie, garageband or facetime for me. Sure, Ipad has more apps, but Android has more than enough for me. Also, I love customization. Android gives be that oppurtunity. Before I got my first Android, I was gaga over Itouches and Ipads. However, after I got Eris, it was love at first sight. I've never looked back.

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[Off-topic] martonikaj:
Haha yep. The Xoom is very nice, but not $800 nice right now relative to other offerings. That's just the name of the game though.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
I, too, was going to ask how the Xoom or other Android tablets are more productive than an iPad or iPad 2. This is a priority for me as I'd like for the tablet to replace my wife's laptop.

It's not a bad idea to get the iPad 2 until a new and better tablet comes out. Apple hardware tends to keep its resale value pretty well compared to Windows machines and, I'm assuming, non-Apple tablets.
[Off-topic] srt4b:
Well the Apps have sold me. I was on the fence and I really wanted to support Android but I'm going iPad2.

I could care less about widgets, customization, etc. 99% of the time I am in an App anyway. I always delete all the extra screens on my Android phones down to 1.

I also don't need more than 16Gb of storage at all.
[Off-topic] Akulamenuri:
You are correct in assuming that Apple products have great resell value. Look at the price of an iPhone 4 on eBay compared to an EVO 4g. The Iphone 4 sells for 150 to 200 dollars more than the Evo. I think both devices will be equally productive but neither one will be as productive as an actual laptop. If you just prefer a tablet I would get an iPad 2 since it has equal (if not better) productivity applications, comes in at a cheaper price point, and retains a higher resell value.
[Off-topic] hi_its_ryan:
Kinda begs the question: With your needs/wants, what are you doing taking the time to post on xda?
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
So you don't need the apps that iPad offers and say Android has less apps but more customization. What do you mean by customization... skins and how it looks?

So the iPad has some innovative (in some people's eyes) apps and applications of its technology, has many magnitudes more apps available (so if there's a functionality or app that you might be looking for, you'd have a better chance of finding it in the App store), and a common interface across all iPads (since only Apple makes the iPad, duh).

Android has going for it customization (please explain what is meant by this), more ports (SD card, USB, HDMI, etc), and more RAM presumably...

Help me understand how the Android is more conducive to productivity and why it is a better choice with the announcement of iPad 2... I've been trying to fight off the temptation to bite the apple... but it is getting harder to do...
[Off-topic] hi_its_ryan:
I think we should all turn on those lazy Android developers who apparently need more than 2 weeks to churn out 65k gingerbread apps.

lazy turds!
[Off-topic] TheSonicEmerald:
It really comes down to personal preference. I just prefer Android over IOS.

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[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
I understand it is preference. I was hoping that you would be able to explain what things you specifically loved, even if it is irrational (like Apple is making a lot of people ;)