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[Galaxy S II General] RogerPodacter:
interesting stuff thanks. i've been waiting for anand's true full review of the SGS2 but it's been a long time now. anyone know what the hold up is?
[Galaxy S II General] AndreiLux:
I'm quite sure there's more Exynos phones than Tegra2 phones, as the only real contenders are the Optimus 2X and the Atrix, the latter of which apparently sold very badly. Compared to the 6M figure Samsung release recently, that should be clear which is more widespread. BUT if you take into account tablet sales with Tegra2, which it's integrated into a buttload, then it might be another story. Seeing though as there are basically no new devices coming with Tegra, I'm pretty sure Exynos, even though only built in into the SGS2 for now, will outsell it. Then again there's the Galaxy Z coming out with a Tegra inside :p

One thing should be clear: There are no games out there that can challenge the Mali-400MP4 right now and I predict that it'll be on top of the game until the *latter* 28nm A15 SoCs come out in late 2012. So in terms of graphics power it's a safe bet for quite some time, with the only challenge in the forseeable future being what Apple decides to do with the A5 inside the next iPhone, as that's the only thing with enough power to rival it, but it's too big and hot for a phone, and the Qualcomm Krait coming out late this year. But there's yet a device to use that last one.
[Galaxy S II General] i9100:
Seems like Samsung hadn't handed over one yet at the beginning of July.

RE: No Galaxy S? by Brian Klug on Friday, July 01, 2011

We're still waiting for an SGS2, hopefully we will get one soon from Samsung USA and be able to compare it in its final form.

Take care,

Brian

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4471/htc-sensation-4g-review-a-sensational-smartphone?all=true
[Galaxy S II General] Croak:
He's probably waiting for a US carrier release, since he is US-based.
[Galaxy S II General] jlevy73:
That's too bad because knowing us American's we'll find a way to cripple the device. One of the many reasons I spent the extra money to get an unmolested version
[Galaxy S II General] chris2busy:
Yep..and probably the official versions will be about half a year later than the resto non carrier locked devices.
[Galaxy S II General] radier:
Go and check latest SGS2 review at anandtech :)
[Galaxy S II General] AndreiLux:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined
[Galaxy S II General] elee888:
Hi everyone, I just purchased this phone online. I did a search, but could not find what I was looking for. Is there any way to confirm or tell on the box that I will get the Exynos version and not the Tegra version? I don't want to open the box up and find out the hard way. I think someone said that the Tegra version goes by i9003. Is this true? Then are all i9000's are Exynos?
[Galaxy S II General] AndreiLux:
There are no Tegra Galaxy S2's. Also it's i9100.
[Galaxy S II General] RMXO:
deleted the reply since I posted on the wrong thread.
[Galaxy S II General] ryude:
Samsung is kind of lying about the 5x performance. They state because it has 4 cores, that it's 5x faster. The truth is, it will likely only be about 1.5x faster. The GPU has wildly different performance scores depending on the clock speed of the GPU as well. Still, not too bad considering the Hummingbird is still about as fast as tegra 2.
[Galaxy S II General] awesome-member:
i think every one has come to conclusion that graphics at least is more powerful in exyonus then tegra 2 but the question is, how does it compare to PowerVR SGX543MP2 likely in A5.
[Galaxy S II General] tvp2411:
So far tegra 2 is winning in demo and specs. same processor speed and has 8 core gpu. Even in demo is better then exynos. Now i am hoping tegra 2 will come to US or i have to buy it unlock. Its prob why apple drop exynos and went with there own.
[Galaxy S II General] hotsync100:
I read in Xoom forum, that Tegra 2 cannot handle high profile h.264 video playback. That could be a serius factor to avoid that processor.
[Galaxy S II General] soraxd:
gosh, i really wish there were more benchmarks, or hands on tests out.. samsung is really keeping their stuff under lock and key..
[Galaxy S II General] Beards:
Just as always... they are doing an Apple!
[Galaxy S II General] ryude:
I only seen one benchmark for the SGX543MP4, it was significantly faster than the tegra 2.
[Galaxy S II General] LoveisPeace2012:
Tegra is weak the sgx543 kills it as will the exynos with its updated drivers once it is released with the Mali quad core gpu
[Galaxy S II General] soraxd:
wait did i miss something guys? last benchmarks i saw comparing the two, the tegra2 scored higher.. i also heard the tegra2 is better at reading javascript, so itll be faster with browsing..

and if these things are true, then along with the CRAZY support tegra seems to be getting in the gaming department, wouldnt the tegra2 be on top? i mean i dont want it to be, because that goes against what the s2 stands for, but thats the way it seems.. it has faster internet browsing, and while it may not have the best graphics processing, it does however have all the game support, while the exynos has better capabilities, yet no support.. i mean even sony play station is jumping on the nvidia bandwagon.. idk to me it reminds me of how symbian has some powerful hardware, and amazing cameras, yet the lack of support from devs, forced it to die out to androids superior support, but not so superior hardware.. =/
[Galaxy S II General] LoveisPeace2012:
The tegra has been out for awhile now production was late 2010, so its drivers have been out for some months now and have been truly optimized however the benchmarks that were performed were on prototype exynos sgs 2s it is very likely that it has not been optimized as best as I can yet and by release it should have updated drivers but it will be more powerful than tegra
[Galaxy S II General] Beards:
With all the financial and development clout Samsung have I would think it rather strange if they took on both an inferior and lesser supported chip.

Personally I am looking forward to Exynos being around and seeing how it develops over time.
[Galaxy S II General] erahk64:
There was also working Tegra2 tablets from several companies in january 2010 at CES 2010, so Tegra2 has been available more than a year.

Demos of these tablets can be found on Youtube.
[Galaxy S II General] soraxd:
alright, so even if it is more powerful, what about this "nvidia game center" and all this im hearing about... all these custom tailored games for the tegra2 phones? will these games only play on tegra2 phones? or does that just mean they were made to be optimized for the tegra2?
[Galaxy S II General] Beards:
'Optimized'..... They will work with Exynos and Mali but maybe not at the same framerate.

The trouble is, until we get to see more details it is going to be difficult to prove the strength & weight of each chip.
[Galaxy S II General] soraxd:
youre good peoples, beards, i think i misjudged you

(sorry for calling you gramps the other day)
[Galaxy S II General] Beards:
No problem.... If age has taught me one thing it is ~ whatever today brings, tomorrow it will only be half as bad.....and thanks for the vote. :)
[Galaxy S II General] Brut.all:
Take into account that it's cheaper for Samsung to manufacture their own SoC, than to buy it from 3rd company.

But I believe in Samsung, so I think Exynos will be superior to Tegra 2 in near future :-)
[Galaxy S II General] Beards:
Agree... when I said "I would think it strange if Samsung took on" I didn't mean they 'took' the chip from an outside source but that they wouldn't 'took on' to compete against other inferior chips.
[Galaxy S II General] Brut.all:
I think you misunderstood me (or that's me - English isn't my native).

I meant Samsung might choose inferior and less supported chip because it's just cheaper for them. But I don't think that's the reason, I think Exynos is really superior to Tegra 2 :-)
[Galaxy S II General] Beards:
Understood. :)
[Galaxy S II General] tobin_o:
New SGS2 benchmarks?

I don't really post much on boards, but I saw this over at Smartphone Benchmarks, (dated March 17) and thought you'd all want a look:

smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=256

I'm hoping this more recent benchmark for "SHW-M250S" is indicating improved drivers for the SGS2 Exynos (over the older "GT-I9100" scores which are probably from the same drivers used in the Anandtech tests before, I'm guessing)

Even if this is the result of improved drivers, it's sort of a mixed bag: If you take productivity score to mean cpu and gaming score to mean gpu, then -yay- for Exy's dual A9 beating the others, but its Mali-400 is still hurting quite a bit...

Thoughts, anyone?
[Galaxy S II General] martino2k6:
Mmmm... We've seen the Mali-400 output 1080p at 60fps, while the graphics didn't look too detailed it didn't look too bad either.

My opinion? The wait continues, however the productivity score is the one that interests me the most and I'm glad to see it's looking good there.
[Galaxy S II General] Chainfire:
Something else to consider apart from just one chip vs the other:

It appears there will be 3 different base SGS2 models:

(1) Exynos/SAMOLED+

(2) Exynos/SC-LCD

(3) Tegra2/SC-LCD

That's right, the Tegra2 variant wont have SAMOLED+.

Dunno about you guys, but if I can't get an SGS2 with SAMOLED+, I'm simply not getting an SGS2. Didn't get the Nexus S either because of lack of AMOLED in my region.
[Galaxy S II General] soraxd:
all 5 dualcore phones benchmarked, galaxy s2 comes in last

http://androidandme.com/2011/03/new...s-omap4-and-snapdragon-match-up-with-tegra-2/

~sigh
[Galaxy S II General] Beards:
That's done on pre-production models.

Pre-production will always be under performing as final tweaks to drivers and system files are not met.
[Galaxy S II General] horusray:
So if I want to pre-order the Exynos/SAMOLED+ model, which sites should I look into? Mobilecityonline? Handtec? Clove? Unlocked-mobiles? or some Singaporean websites? I'm confused :'(
[Galaxy S II General] soraxd:
i think clove.co.uk said something to the effect of 'we are aware of two models, we believe we will have the exynos'. and honestly id expect us and uk dealers to have the exynos model (since we usually get the good stuff). cant swear to it tho!
[Galaxy S II General] ryude:
In Samsung's case, pre-production drivers remain in place until the 5th or 6th update after you buy the phone. Just look at the original SGS, same story.
[Galaxy S II General] AllGamer:
that's why when you get a new phone, make sure it's a hot potato that will attract a lot of ROM Chefs, Cooks, and Devs

phones that has no hope of development are doomed, to remain at the mercy of the manufacturer

in the case of a Nexus phone, it is not a problem, since it's supported directly by Google

but on all other non Nexus phone... you'll be on your own
[Galaxy S II General] ryude:
There is only 2 reasons I buy galaxy s phones: The screen and the unlocked bootloader. Other than that, Samsung sucks.
[Galaxy S II General] android_master:
Let's see which region gets which version
[Galaxy S II General] Beards:
And yet the Galaxy Tab was different.... It had a change just before release.

I purchased it more or less as soon as it came out and the difference in use between the SGS & Tab at release is miles apart.

The Tab has non of the problems the SGS had. It's quick, fluid, good GPS & Wifi ~ all which were problems when the SGS was first released.

I am talking of a non-carrier SIM Free model.
[Galaxy S II General] MikeyMike01:
I don't see how you can claim that the SGS2 came in last.

Sent from my Captivate
[Galaxy S II General] AJerman:
I agree. It seems like they ran a small number of tests, probably none of them optimized to new hardware, some didn't even run on all the hardware, and got a variety of results. Seemed like a pretty worthless benchmark to me.
[Galaxy S II General] BuzzFuzz:
+1

I totally agree with you!!!
[Galaxy S II General] landing:
Looks like something wasn't right with those early Exynos SGS2 GFX tests. They've been taken down from glbenchmark.com, and now you instead have the Exynos powered Odroid-A completely destroying the Tegra 2 devices and rivaling the iPad 2 for the top spot in Egypt (check the resolution difference).

I know which version I'm getting.
[Galaxy S II General] virussnake:
korea is getting exynos its official

http://clien.career.co.kr/cs2/bbs/board.php?bo_table=news&wr_id=1103570
[Galaxy S II General] AllGamer:
i see it's the Exynos SMAOLED+ according to that website
[Galaxy S II General] dinan:
Well for all it's worth... I remember a promo pic for the Galaxy 2 at MWC: http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/mwc-11-samsung/pc/gsmarena_009.jpg

Claiming a 5x performance increase over the SGX540 from their Quad core Mali-400 will obliterate the ULV Geforce since the tegra2's chip can barely beat the SGX540 as it stands now. Of course this isn't real life performance numbers, samsung is just probably simply quoting how many triangles/sec each setup can push and taking the ratio, which doesn't always translate to real world usage.

Either way, I have my money on samsung's quad core mali-400 over tegra 2. I have an Atrix, quite frankly it sucks, way below expectations. My Nexus S underclocked at 800mhz outperforms it in every 3D game I've tried. The Galaxy 2 will be my next phone. **** locked bootloaders and ****ty LCD screens, I'll live with slightly worse GPU performance for better ROM availability and SAMOLED plus. =)

I just hope the poor tegra 2 performance in games is due to the games not being optimized for Tegra right now. I've tried a few of the tegra optimized games as well and they don't seem particularly better than other games, though...
[Galaxy S II General] erahk64:
The benchmarks are updated and Exynos at higher screen resolution has much better score now than Atrix, Xoom and Galaxy S.

The score would be even higher at lower screen resolution.

It just proves that benchmarks can be unreliable and it's better to test performance during

normal usage of the released product.

GL benchmark Odroid-A tablet with Exynos 4210 (Exynos 4210 is used in SGS2):

http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.j...version=all&certified_only=2&brand=Hardkernel

GL benchmark Galaxy S:

http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.j...=0&version=all&certified_only=2&brand=Samsung

Motorola Xoom and Atrix:

http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.j...4&version=all&certified_only=2&brand=Motorola
[Galaxy S II General] horusray:
Got a quick question: If your country were to get the Tegra2/SLCD version, would you pre-order it from other countries for the Exynos/SAMOLED+ version?

It's been bugging me ever since I heard Exynos and possibly SAMOLED+ won't be packed in the North American version......

Both Exynos & SAMOLED+ display seem to make a difference, and it makes S2 really stands out in the 2011 smartphone battle.

What do you guys think?

(Btw, I've been eligible for a phone upgrade since January 1st...)
[Galaxy S II General] sckc23:
I'll definitely go for Exynos/SAMOLED+. was a bit concerned about the performance of Mali 400 but recent benchmark suggest it is way ahead of GeForce in Tegra and I personally prefer amoled to lcd screen. Juz hope this is coming to uk not the Tegra/LCD ones..
[Galaxy S II General] Beards:
Put it this way ~ You can always improve the Exynos but a screen is a screen.
[Galaxy S II General] lgkahn:
yes .. i did preorder it from the uk.. i never get the phones offered by carrier.. i know it costs more.. but i also only pay 10.00 unlimted data with att.

so it is maybe a wash.
[Galaxy S II General] axesd:
Man, I would like to get a treatment of the Exynos in the US!
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
OMG I figured out that there is a version with a "Galaxy S II" logo at the back ! O_O

[youtube]sPKekPQu6Hk[/youtube]

Maybe this is the version with the exynos coz it's wonderful with that logo, the other versions without that logo at the back now seems like a fake for me lol damn this thing is so gorgeous like that
[Galaxy S II General] Virtue94:
Wow I absolutely hate how there's a logo there now. I was happy with it when it just said Samsung.
[Galaxy S II General] ryude:
+1 the Galaxy S II logo looks so tacky, I'd rather it not be there.
[Galaxy S II General] amtrakcn:
Tegra2 is not winning anything except advertisement on tech sites.

the CPU part lacks NEON and no DDR3 support

GPU is medicore and similar to the performance of last generation Hummingbird
[Galaxy S II General] amtrakcn:
Nope, if you change to a Moto phone, very likely you are going to miss TW and the multimedia experience of Sammy.
[Galaxy S II General] amtrakcn:
Flash acceleration is not actually Tegra2 specific, and HC might not be a good idea for phones as it's for large screens.

From my personal opinion, the only advantage of Tegra is that

NV is going to pay developers to optimized/make exclusive for Tegra2, which is a sucking move!
[Galaxy S II General] ryude:
I wouldn't miss TW one bit, but regardless I wouldn't buy a moto phone anyway. Locked bootloaders ain't my thing :)
[Galaxy S II General] amtrakcn:
If you are happy with AOSP then you might not miss TW, but still not going to like blur:D
[Galaxy S II General] g00ndu:
Do you think the pricing would be the same for these 2 / 3 models? Would be interesting to know too. Imagine when Sammy launch the phones and at the end of the day, one model is out of stock and the other out of favour... :P
[Galaxy S II General] sckc23:
well said. GeForce is supposed to be worse than SGX540 while Mali-400 on odroid-a has shown its potential with benchmarks approaching those of ipad 2. as long as samsung manages to optimize drivers for exynos i can't see why i would choose tegra 2 instead.
[Galaxy S II General] crypticc:
I'd buy the Odroid to use as a phone if it let me hook up my ps3 controller :)
[Galaxy S II General] Yellowfrizbee:
Tegra powered Galaxy S vs Exynos powered Galaxy S is irrelevant completely if Exynos Galaxy S is the only version of the two with Super Amoled Plus. The point over which gpu is better became mute to me when I found out one might have the Super Amoled Plus..it is no longer a decision for me. It would be silly to settle for SLCD over Super Amoled Plus.

That being said, theoretically Exynos GPU should out perform Tegra in the end. I mean, besides having 8 cores over the Exynos only 4 cores, does the Tegra really have any advantages of the Exynos from an engineer/structure stand point? (Im actually asking, quite curious) Still baffles me that the scores say otherwise. I figured Exynos would be bounds ahead of Tegra 2. Tegra 3, however, looks very impressive. Still cant believe they will be pushing those out by December.

The only thing that sucks is that Tegra is going to get all of the attention. The Playstation suite game center is going to Tegra devices :(..no optimized sony ported PSone games for Exynos! Or great "exclusive AAA" future titles.
[Galaxy S II General] erahk64:
Did you see the links in the previous post above yours ?

Exynos gets much better score than Tegra 2 in the latest GL benchmark.

SW that is not optimized has a big effect on performance.
[Galaxy S II General] iperpiego:
for me fpse is enough... all psone title full speed :)
[Galaxy S II General] erahk64:
Sony Ericsson phones doesn't have Tegra.

Why would Sony optimize Playstation suite games for Tegra devices ?

Is there any info about that ?

I
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
all that "tegra optimization" is just bull**** for me, all that they do is increase a little bit the graphics/polygons in a game and that s all, just see every game out there for now whether it is "optimized" for a specific device or not runs smooth on a galaxy S so I really don't see where is the point of their optimization apart from marketing goals
[Galaxy S II General] sckc23:
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/news/playstation-games-coming-to-tegra-devices/
[Galaxy S II General] erahk64:
There is no info that Playstation Suite games are optimized for Tegra processors

in that link.

It just says that Playstation Suite is coming to Tegra platforms and is hardware-neutral game framework for Android devices.
[Galaxy S II General] sckc23:
True. I guess people thought that was what NVIDIA meant when they specifically mentioned that the Playstation Suite is coming to tegra-powered devices instead of saying it is coming to android.
[Galaxy S II General] android_master:
Well thanks to Samsung policy of launching all of its product pretty much first in India & Asia:p

Samsung India has confirmed that SGS 2 will launch in India in April with these specs--

1) Super Amoled Plus{yup man,super amoled plus version for India}

2) Samsung Dual Core 1Ghz Processor,Exynos

Expected launch anywhere between 15th April to 20th April & Expected Price is Rs 32,000

More info on this thread-- http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=12479145#post12479145

With Exynos showing great results of late,i am so much happy that no crap Super clear lcd like thing is cuming here:D
[Galaxy S II General] ryude:
Nvidia likes to pay developers to optimize their games for them, while purposely leaving out features or crippling performance for other graphics cards. Just look at all the TWIMTBP game titles on PC, like Borderlands or Batman: Arkham's Asylum and you will see what I'm talking about. It's the sole reason I left Nvidia and I am now an ATI (oops, AMD) fan.
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
But the mobile gaming industry is nowhere near from PC gaming, it just begins. As I said I tried every game from that "tegra zone android" Shrek kart, fruit ninja etc and they run just fine on my galaxy S... so your comparison is pointless
[Galaxy S II General] Bernardos70:
Are you talking about the "HD" versions of these apps which are advertised in Tegra Zone? Because they do make different versions of the same game.
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
all games in that tegra zone are "HD" branded so yes... compared to the other versions they're just improved in the graphic department that's true but they are NOT "optimized" in any way for the tegra 2 chip

edit: well unless you consider improving graphics in a game is a sort of optimizaton tho <_<
[Galaxy S II General] Ferdimage:
just noticed that last the galaxy s video, the camera is flat and flushed with the cover...

which model is that?
[Galaxy S II General] Beaker491:
Am i right in thinking that the tegra 2 phones that are benchmarked on the anandtech website are running final software and drivers, while the SGS2 is running prototype software and drivers? If so, it looks respectable that the SGS2 isn't far behind the competition, even at this early stage of its software development. Is it possible that when its finished it might even be the same as or even surpass the benchmarks set by the LG Optimus 3D? The Egypt benchmark is the one i'd like to see an improvment on.

Ian
[Galaxy S II General] erahk64:
Link to newer benchmarks.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12361281&postcount=377
[Galaxy S II General] Triage1:
Im ordered the LG O2X .. but i think i must hold both phones in my own hand first before i decide which i want to use.. also the battery could be a factor of my decision.. i just know on thing for sure, both phones are awesome.
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
Well, just saw that vid from pocketnow.com and I must say that "awesome" isn't the perfect adjective for this phone...
[Galaxy S II General] virussnake:
which video?
[Galaxy S II General] touness69:
sorry forgot the link. BTW were talking bout the 2X

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR9jTO3XPmQ&feature=player_embedded
[Galaxy S II General] virussnake:
wow he really crippled the lg... he had 3 benchmarks opened in the same time and various other programs just look the status bar at the top what a noob..
[Galaxy S II General] android_master:
Yes,he always is...wonder if these guys are paid to manipulate one phone for the other:mad:..

Just refer to anandtech discussion & Optimus 2X review thread & it will be clear what a great smartphone 2X is.;)