[myTouch 4G Android Development] ckisgen:
ummm...sorry, I wanted to not say anything about these ridiculous troll comments initially by teamsilence but the response by both him and a couple of others just made it impossible for me not to give my $0.02 here and point out the BLATANT hypocrisy / B.S. in all of this ...

(i also apologize to this thread and it's followers for coming in here a day or two 'after the fact' but i have put in 16+ hours this weekend, so far, on another ROM project with Option and haven't been on this thread as much as i usually am.)

if team was just criticizing the ROM or our work, legitimate or not, there's a 99%+ chance i wouldn't respond at all. everyone is entitled to their opinion.

but when you come into my front yard and take a big dump in it and call into question our credibility as developers and this ROM's legitimacy (according to you) after, as far as I can tell, the ONE contribution you made to this community was to take HTC/Tmobiles ROM - take out a few APKs (which any 8 yr old can do with root access and terminal, titanium, any number of ways) and add some theming in (oh ya and maybe zipaligned and optimized, which you implied when we did it meant nothing) - i'm going to have something to say.

so apparently, when you 'didnt want to take the time to do a real build and took the easy way out' yourself - it was totally cool for you to receive praise and donations, right? give me a break dude. do you even own a Glacier anymore? what are you even doing posting in here? you obviously just need the attention. btw - 100% of our donations go straight to charity (cystic fibrosis), where did yours go, bro?

so powduh09 - you didn't owe anyone an apology. why was it OK for teamsilence to come in here and take a crap on this ROM that most users on here call their favorite and/or best ROM they've ever flashed on this device - and act as if royalknight and I did absolutely nothing 'real' or credible on this ROM yet powduh is not able to voice his own opinion to this hating/non logical bullcrap?

oh right, because he's the 'creator' of the fabled Iced Glacier. explain to me again the difference between what he did to the already very stable and completely built espresso sense ROM (to make Iced Glacier) and what knight and I did to CM7 (to make RoyalGinger)?

oh ya i know the difference - as soon as team got 'tired' of the project, he went on his own ROM thread and told everyone how he hated espresso (vis a vis Iced Glacier) and that he wasn't going to update/support it any more. Thereby, slapping everyone in the face who loved and supported that ROM for all that time and at the same time abandoning them and any subsequent updates that would/should have come in the future.

GIVE ME A BREAK. team - you got egg on your face on this one bro. your trollish, uninformed, hating, and MOST OF ALL completely hypocritical comments in here were disrespectful and completely uncalled for. and for anyone who understands the point i just made above - leaves you looking real foolish to call us out for doing virtually the exact same thing you did (arguably less) which supposedly made you such a 'legend' around here.

JUST FOR THE RECORD - I personally used and loved Iced Glacier for a long time. It was the first ROM I flashed after I rooted my Glacier and used it for probably longer than any other ROM to date. It was solid, stable, and a pleasure to use. On that account, I have always respected noxtel & teamsilence for what they did there and what it meant to the rest of the developers on here since he was one of the early ones. However, this doesn't give him the right to disrespect other developers (on their own threads no less) and try and discredit the HUNDREDS of hours of work that royalknight, myself, and the other team members have put into building, testing, and SUPPORTING (manning these boards, troubleshooting, answering questions, etc) this ROM when the one thing he did was no more 'legitimate' or better than what we have done here.

I call bullsh*& on all that.

** for all of you who truly care about this ROM and this thread/community - PLEASE don't use my post here as a jumping off point to 'start' anything back up. AKA - PLEASE EVERYONE DON'T REPLY AND JUMP IN WITH MULTIPLE POSTS ON THIS all but dead horse. it's more/less off topic at this point and only detracts from the real purpose of this thread - which is to help the community get the best experience they can with this ROM and their devices. however, i STRONGLY felt that the MANY dozens, at this point possibly hundreds, of hours that i've *personally* put into this project (for free, on my own time) - gave me the right to speak my mind on this ONE time .. i will be happy to discuss this further with anyone interested by PM moving forward.

thank you to those of you who saw thru this b.s. to begin with and continue to support our hard work AND every other hard working developer in this community (including teamsilence..at least while he was still doing so)