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[Captivate General] d3v14n7:
The Captivate is superior to the iPhone 4... The only thing the iPhone 4 has over the Captivate is a front facing camera (useless for most people) and the higher resolution screen... At 3.5", the higher resolution is wasted, you can barely notice the difference between it and the screen on the iPhone 3GS unless you hold your phone a couple inches away from your face. Of course, the brainwashed iSheep would say otherwise because they want to justify paying more for a phone that is inferior to the vast majority of Android phones released in the last year or more (and especially in the last couple months), but go ahead and see for yourself.

The Captivate, even with its issues (which can be fixed easily) is still better than the iPhone 4... You can make the argument that iOS has more apps, but if you look, you'll see that many of those apps are basically the same but with different names, or that they're completely useless (IE: thousands of different fart apps)... Android has many productive apps that are not available for iOS, while iOS has more games. Personally I couldn't care less about games, I use my phone primarily for work when I don't have access to my laptop or desktop, Android is far better suited for that than iOS...

In other words, if you want a device focused more on productivity, get the Captivate... If you want an extremely limited, locked down toy to play games on, with major hardware flaws (which makes the iPhone work poorly as a phone), non user replaceable battery, discoloration of the screen, and an extremely fragile body (amongst other flaws/cons) get the iPhone.
[Captivate General] chicanowpride:
I would buy a Iphone ATT is offering UNLIMITED internet plans this weekend..
[Captivate General] skeepon:
get rid of the iphone 4 and get a captivate! ive had an iphone 4 and i can tell you that the captivate it much better!
[Captivate General] kangi26:
As far as the offerings from AT&T, I'd pick the Captivate again, and again over

anything

they have(Including the Atrix and the Inspire). I've yet to feel "bored" with the layout, the design, any bit of it. If I even begin to feel the rumblings of boredom, I install a new theme, change this or change that and BAM! New phone! With the progresses the devs are making around here the ROM's are getting better and better. FAR superior than the stock stuff.

Looking at the specs on paper, the Captivate has 16Gb on board, a with the ability to expand the Micro SD slot with another 32Gig, for a possible total 48Gig? Find a iPhone with that. Not to mention, I got my Captivate for $79 with AT&T matching the price from Newegg.com, and a 16gig card from Fry's for $25......a 32gig phone for under $100, and what does the 32gig iPhone go for??

In the end, If you feel like you might SOMEDAY want to modify your phone, get the Captivate, you'll find that the work the devs are doing, you'll have a device that will almost feel like a new every few weeks or so. On the other side of that, if you never want to modify your phone get the Captivate anyways; it's just flat out a better phone
[Captivate General] jc2470:
lol have u even messed with an inspire? it will dog the captivate in just about everything. and im not saying just barely faster im talking smoke it faster.
[Captivate General] kangi26:
EXCEPT it's running the slower Snapdragon, and only has 4Gig's of internal memory. Although it does have a 8MP camera, and a slightly larger screen
[Captivate General] tejas offroad:
I'd go with the insprire. HTC is a good company and the atrix bootloader is still in the works
[Captivate General] kangi26:
I thought I had heard that designgears posted that they(whoever "they' are) cracked the locked bootloader, and got root
[Captivate General] ruger94:
Droid OS is fun to play with...IPhone is limited by comparison!
[Captivate General] bigsmitty64:
ATT could offer me free unlimited internet and I still wouldn't go back to the iPhone.
[Captivate General] tkienzle:
I've heard the atrix is not used hack friendly but I really have not read up on it much. But I do love my captivate!!!

Sent from innerspace on my hacked telly...
[Captivate General] Nickel Dime Bay:
Sold my iphone 4 for the Captivate, one of my better decisions.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
I'm guessing you went to a public school.
[Captivate General] joshua43214:
iphone;

no external storage

no expandable storage

no removable battery

Apples history of screwing a very very loyal customer base

Just say no to anything Apple, get a life, not and ilife

I found the captivate disapointing. After devoting some to time to flashing different ROMs until I found one I liked, I am very happy with it now though.

ONe forwarning though, if you are used to using a phone as a PDA rather than a social network device, the entire Android scene is a decade behind the times. As a PDA, the Android is about par with my old HP iPAQ.
[Captivate General] sunny16:
depends on your skill level. iphone4, like other apple products...just works.

with the cappy, you'll get all sorts of grief..like the gps. :) then again...you'll have all sorts of fun. just take a peek at the dev forum.

good luck!
[Captivate General] d3v14n7:
You don't need to unlock the bootloader to get root, you need to unlock the bootloader to install custom recovery/roms/kernels... Root was achieved before the Atrix was even available in stores...

Honestly, so long as Launcher Pro exists and it can be rooted, I have no problem getting the Atrix even with a locked bootloader considering how far superior it is to everything else out there (other than the LG Optimus x2), especially since I'm not a huge fan of screens over 4"... If they find a way to unlock the bootoader or bypass it completely, then great, but the locked bootloader won't stop me from getting the Atrix.
[Captivate General] lightswitch2159:
I love my cappy, I would recommend it to anyone.
[Captivate General] bluemoon1221:
Personally I don't think the captivate is as good as the iphone 4. I think captivate is more equal to iphone 3gs...

But I recommend you to get other android devices such as attic, inspire, etc. It really comes down to the OS..
[Captivate General] jc2470:
with custom kernals neck and neck? u dont do your homework do ya, anyone that has or had both will tell you that you are very wrong there.
[Captivate General] d3v14n7:
They both use "Scorpion" CPUs... The only difference is that the Desire Z is underclocked to 800Mhz (to save battery life) while the Inspire and Desire HD is clocked at the regular 1Ghz... Go ahead and see for yourself.
[Captivate General] jc2470:
whats benchmark score? with it over clocked?
[Captivate General] americasteam:
Had them both and prefer my current Captivate by far. I got bored with the iPhone pretty quickly.
[Captivate General] jc2470:
Ok This guy knows he likes android and it doesnt seem like he is to familiar with all the devices, he is talking about selling iphone 4, no wheres does he mention atrix either but i see that posted several times. He is asking what to do, so why not give him some decent advice besides some biased advice, I had both the phones he is talking about and the inspire, atrix well you couldnt get me to buy it, was hoping it would be a great phone spec wise it is but that is about it. This guy is looking for a great all around phone.

Get a Inspire dont like it? get the craptivate, oops captivate.
[Captivate General] jc2470:
Helping people make the right choice.

QSD8250 1 GHz ARMv7 Scorpion Adreno 200 65 nm 1st Gen Q4 2008 GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS/WCDMA, HSDPA, HSUPA, MBMS Acer Stream/Liquid, Acer neoTouch S200, Dell Venue Pro (Lightning), Dell Streak, Fujitsu Toshiba Mobile REGZA Phone T-01C, HP Compaq AirLife 100, HTC Desire, HTC HD2, HTC 7 Mozart, HTC 7 Surround, HTC 7 Trophy, HTC HD7, HTC 7 Pro, Google Nexus One, Huawei SmaKit S7, Lenovo LePhone, LG eXpo, LG Optimus 7, LG Optimus Q, LG Optimus Z, LG Quantum, LG Panther, Pantech IM-A600S, Sharp LYNX SH-10B, Sharp LYNX 3D SH-03C, Samsung Focus, Samsung Omnia 7, Sony Ericsson Xperia X10, Toshiba dynapocket T-01B/KG01, Toshiba TG01/TG02/TG03.

going by what znet said it would be a upgrade to this chip.

Now please show me how that model # has anything to do with what company made it.

To let u know what manufacturer made it correct? lol we have htc in there, toshiba, acer, dell, samsung, sharp, lg, pantech, sony, hp
[Captivate General] jc2470:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor) Here since you dont seem to comprehend it.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Not what company made it, what company is using it. The chip manufacturer will assign a specific model code to the same processor to distinguish it by the device manufacturer since many often have different requirements as to the packaging, mounting or specification. Just like with PC processors. Intel may make an i7 processor especially for HP that can be soldered to the motherboard while Dell prefers one in a quick-release package. Same processor, different model numbers that identify whose is which.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
What I get with your link:

Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Snapdragon (processor in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.

Classic!
[Captivate General] jc2470:
This is all by the same company 2 different models, if it was simply under clocked then it would just be a different kernal not model # not to mention those same model numbers are used for all those manufacturers.
[Captivate General] jc2470:
click the did u mean? its the same exact thing i copied it and pasted it. click it and will bring u to the page. if u look at end of link forum didnt include ) as link thats why

Oh forgot to mention I work on pc's, networking, consulting, build pc's etc...... lol Processors are not soldered to the mb.
[Captivate General] krazyphire:
Hey @jc2470 and @Miami_Son you guys are polluting this guys thread for the sake of an ego trip that is now completely irrelevant to his original question. Enough please. Reported.

On Topic: OP I would suggest playing with a non-stock captivate before deciding on it permanently because to get a good experience you'll probably need to flash a rom that can take full advantage of the awesome hardware! :D
[Captivate General] bigsmitty64:
+1 on both counts
[Captivate General] Mr. Clown:
I did some thread cleanup. Back to topic please.
[Captivate General] d3v14n7:
Actually, many are soldered to the motherboards, Intel Atom, the new AMD E-350s, VIA CPUs and many, many more... And also, all the CPUs in mobile phones are soldered to their motherboards.

Now, about this whole SOC argument, from the link you pasted... The only difference between the Desire Z's CPU and the Inspire's CPU is their clock speed, otherwise they are the exact same... Same generation (2nd Gen), same GPU (Adreno 205), same release date (Q2 2010), same manufacturing process (45nm), same codename (Scorpion) and everything else... They have different model numbers because of the different clock speed, that's it.

See picture, I even circled everything, including the phones:

There, my point is proven.
[Captivate General] FLAC Vest:
I would go with the Captivate as I have one now. Granted, this depends on your preferences in a phone and how much tike youbare willing to spend to make it "yours".

If you aren't going to be installing custom kernels or ROMs on the phone, then I would go with the iPhone 4.
[Captivate General] Moxie3000:
I think the fact that A) You already like Android and B) You've never tried the iPhone 4 is kind of problematic in that you're already biased without any reference point. In one sense, then, you should just stick with what you know. Android is a great platform and many of the phones are great phones. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

However, if you don't mind being confused -- I own both and iPhone 4 and a Captivate. I like both phones. I've kept both. I even run both with the help of a microSIM to SIM adapter. I can (and probably should at some point) go into a point-by-point on each phone. Each phone has something to appreciate over the other.

My choice right now has been to try making the Captivate my primary phone because I love flashing ROMs, tinkering, and most of all - the awesome screen! However, this has come at some difficulty due to issues that simply don't exist in iPhone land, namely the following:

- Battery life. I've spent the last three days scouring forums to figure out the best way to restore sanity to the Captivate's battery life. It's quite frustrating and I'm about ready to give up and just buy a second battery. I've had no such concerns with the iPhone.

- Compatibility with my car. My car recognizes the iPhone as an iPod via USB and allows me to control audio playback from the device itself. My car only sees the Captivate as USB Storage, so all control happens from the in-dash deck, which is basically useless unless the media directories are clearly named and the files organized. For some reason, I can't find either a media player or a podcast player that will organize the directories in such a way to make them easily usable from within the in-dash deck.

If I can solve those issues, I'll switch permanently.

There's a lot more to be said, of course. I think that if I were in your shoes, if the two issues I mentioned aren't a big deal to you, I wouldn't even open the iPhone box and sell it straight-up as new. Do NOT, however, automatically go for the Captivate. Try to see if there's a phone with better battery life (maybe using a standard LCD rather than AMOLED?) and better GPS. The phone is not without issues and you owe it to yourself to do the research to find the truly best Android phone.
[Captivate General] d3v14n7:
Battery life really depends on what ROM you're using (more specifically, what kernel), and the apps and setting you have running in the background (GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth etc.)... On the stock Rogers Froyo ROM, I was getting roughly 36 hours of battery life on a full charge, this is with regular/moderate usage (no gaming, I don't game on my phone)... On Firefly (with speedmod kernel), I'm getting more or less the same, maybe a little less, but I easily go through a full day without having to charge it. I take it off the charger at around 7:30 am just before I leave for work every morning, and by midnight or 1AM (before I go to bed) I still have a good 40% to 55% left...

Try reducing the frequency your apps are updating (I have mine set to once every hour on most apps, sometimes 2 hours), turning off GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth when not in use, install SetCPU, set up profiles to lower the clock speed when the phone is ilde/locked and when the battery reaches a certain level, and lastly, try different kernels... Another cause would be poor signal, if you're often losing signal and dropping calls, it can severely drain your battery since its always trying to reconnect with the cell towers, there isn't much you can do there other than possibly get the 3G MicroCell from AT&T if this is happening at home.

As far as organizing your music goes, why not do it manually? You have access to the SD card and internal storage, you could easily just name and organize it all manually to meet your needs and the needs of your car deck... And honestly, neither phones are advertised as being compatible with car decks to begin with, so its not exactly something many people use... And personally, I'd rather have the controls on the deck itself than the phone, not sure why you'd want to mess around with your phone when its playing through the car's deck, it makes more sense to me to use the deck's controls... To each his own I guess.
[Captivate General] Moxie3000:
I'm eagerly awaiting the results of jivy26's Battery Showdown. The ROM and kernel combinations can be very confusing and there isn't good empirical data out there at all. All of this battery talk is anecdotal and circumstantial.

That's my end goal because that's where I am with the iPhone with mild gaming (Words with Birds, Angry Friends, etc.) and moderate web-browsing and reading. I don't think I'll hit that because I understand the AMOLED screen is a killer, but I'd like for my phone to still have *some* juice by the end of the day.

And here's the kicker, to keep this thread from becoming a Battery discussion -- I never had to do any of this on my iPhone!!!

I might someday hope to squeeze and optimize and tweak my way to a good battery life...but on the iPhone, I don't have to! It means the difference between absolutely requiring a recharge at the end of the day and being able to go to bed with 35-45% battery knowing that charging can wait until the morning if it has to. That's a very real, tangible difference for me.

I think it speaks loudly of the platform that I'm willing to go through the work to make it work for me, though. So perhaps the OP can take that into consideration.

For a number of reasons...

First, my deck's display blows, so scrolling through directories and filenames, many of which aren't meaningful in any real way (podcasts), is difficult and requires some trial and error to find the right file.

Second, my deck's interface blows. It's a bit obtuse to use.

Third, I primarily listen to podcasts and use Doggcatcher. There's a known limitation to their download structure that exacerbates the readability problem on the deck.

Fourth, I use a car dock and makes it more convenient to use the phone than the deck.

But the most important point is simply that with an iPhone, this stuff just works.

These are real differences. Whether the OP is willing to deal with the limitations and workarounds to suit his particular needs is up to his judgment.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
I think we're getting a little too spoiled with our expectations. These are phones, first and foremost. The added functionality is a plus. I like that I don't need to own an iPod or other music player to listen to my MP3s when riding my bike or driving my car. I like that I can watch movies on the go without carrying a portable DVD player. I like that I can access e-mail, send texts, open a Word document, take pictures, post words and pics to Facebook, play games and all the other things this phone can do without the need for another device to carry or lugging my laptop around. I forgive it the minor inconveniences it has because it lets me do so much more than anything I've had before it. Oh, and I get to modify it to suit my tastes and personality if I want to. For that, I don't let it know that I notice its few shortcomings.;)
[Captivate General] adzidek:
Two very simple reasons I chose Android over iPhone

1. iTunes. I can't stand it. I hate being forced to use this bloated piece of software because the iPhone can't be detected/used as a flash drive in Windows.

2. Battery. Why oh why can't the battery on an iPhone/iPad/iAnything be replaced?

That's it. No gripes about performance, apps, etc, etc, etc. Just the two simple real-world reasons above.
[Captivate General] Moxie3000:
These two strike a nerve with me for different reasons...

On iTunes -- I hadn't realized what poor software this was until I was subjected to a 15-minute rant from a friend. At each point, I thought, "Yeah, I hate that too, that's why I don't use that feature." or "I've learned to ignore that." I got mad at myself for accepting that brokenness as normal.

However, I'm having a hard time finding a good alternative. DoubleTwist looks promising, but it's such a hog. Between the media scanning (which I had to turn off) and its memory usage, it's worse than iTunes on the bloat factor.

The battery issue I found surprising. I had completely forgotten that you're supposed to be able to change your battery!!! My first response was "...but why would I want to do that?..." <ponder> "...ooohhHHHHH!!!" And in addition to having a better-guaranteed lifespan for my phone, I really like the fact that I can turn the thing off NO MATTER WHAT.

BUT, going back to my original post -- I realize there's more to my original "ignorance is bliss" comment. I admit it -- in some ways, I've been brainwashed. I've been brainwashed to accept certain conditions and circumstances of the use of my phone as normal by Apple - broken iTunes, lack of replaceable battery, lack of real tools to manage my phone, lack of customization. It comes with the territory of living in a hermetically sealed ecosystem where your phone is nothing more than an appliance.

This is completely fine for a lot of people. I'm going to guess, however, that if you're posting on XDA-dev, you're not the average user. You like to tinker, play, and take complete control over your devices. The iPhone may be slicker in some respects than an Android, but you have to be willing to shut your eyes and mind to the possibilities of what you *could* do with your phone. Either that or jailbreak it, but even then the possibilities are limited because iPhone development is a PITA.
[Captivate General] d3v14n7:
The iPhone also doesn't have widgets nor Gmail and other native apps that are polling frequently like Android, which is the main reason why you never had to do it on the iPhone. If it did, then you'd have the same issues on the iPhone.

Those limitations really aren't big issues, your deck problem isn't something that every smartphone user faces, it's quite obscure and was probably just pure luck that the iPhone "just works" with it while the Android phone didn't... It most likely wasn't even considered on either platform, it just happen to work with the iPhone. And don't forget, manufacturers are leaning more towards iPhone support due to the popularity, I have no doubts that we'll start seeing them focusing more on Android, since Android currently holds the highest market share for smartphones.

The battery issues can be fixed easily by going into your app settings and lowering the polling frequency... You don't need to have it fetching data every 15-30 seconds, once an hour is more than frequent enough and will significantly extend your battery life... Other tweaks like turning GPS, bluetooth, WiFi and others off when not in use along with dimming your screen and limiting background apps will also help, the latter isn't even an option in iOS. All of that can be handled by a simple app that will turn off/on these settings depending on time of day, what apps you launch, your location etc... You can also use homescreen widgets that switches these things on and off (among other things) if you don't like having an app running in the background all the time, which makes it dead simple... In other words, you have plenty of options to get around battery issues, so there is no reason why people cannot get a full day's worth of use out of their Android smartphone.
[Captivate General] Moxie3000:
It's tough to do a straight-up comparison, precisely because the phones aren't functionally equivalent. As a result, I'm running a really slim usage profile right now - no widgets, no background processes, etc. I'm finding that I can achieve very close to iPhone battery times now, finally! It's probably down to within the margin of error induced by bias and other subjectivity. I don't get the crazy issues like battery going from 91 to 75% overnight while idle anymore, though.

Easy for a tweaker like you and me. But for an average user? Heck, I just spent a good part of my week optimizing and tweaking, flashing different ROMs, just to get to the bottom of my issues. I really hope that my issues were due to my various hackings about...because if stock users see anything like what I experienced, then I'd say Android is not quite ready.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PatrickHuey15:
Just out of curiousity of course. But where do you see the oh so painful marks of daily use on your phone? I've only dropped my phone one time, in a case, and it survived without a mark actually. But I do have a slight chip in the rubberized matte coating on the edge of the phone, simply from taking off and on the case. And also on my battery door, the metal finish on the actual metal door is chipping slighty too. also on the keyboard part, where it is solid black on the ends of the kb, small scratches are showing up. :/. Sort of off topic, but how could I just completely wipe clean my battery door and "unfinish" it?