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[Epic 4G General] Seanc13:
No dev experience or history. I don't care whether its the kernel/rom/whatever, I just want to learn to do this stuff so in the future, I can release good things for our users here, or so if I dont like my options I can always create my own stuff. You know?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IlPapu:
Anyone using any that's good? I was using lookout, but I found it obtrusive and I want something worthwhile.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neidlinger:
Being these phones are Linux based most "virus" that are downloaded and installed (with user permission i remind you) are mal-ware.

There is no real reason to need one.

Just make sure you know where the apps are coming from and you shouldn't have a problem.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BlackSHELF:
As I stated in AC/AF forum. You have to understand the biggest threat *nix based system faces comes from the user itself who are danger to the system as they don't understand it. Now by default how the permission base structure was setup was designed to limit the access from rouge script or execute shell which was place remotely. For it to happen it didn't magically came on the local host it was done with the permission of the user unknowingly as they basically gave the rights away. This is why we say to new users not to run under usr root as even sufficient @wheel access they can do damage.

So when you download app specially you know who and you know where becareful make sure you read the permission that you grant the apps as it can connect, update, upload contents. Far as this thread goes its useless as virus scanner just waste resource which can be overcome with little caution or avoided totally with common sense.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SoltyPK:
You dont really have to worry about antivirus with android aslong as you dont let everything under the sun have its way with superuser. Theres not much that can go wrong past wipeing your contacts or something but thats a quick refresh on sync and there back. Really all u need is a good device finder something that can help you recover a stolen device or what ever. I use Mobile Defence and its almost out of beta so should be available on the market soon.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BlackSHELF:
Do you even know what your talking about? Wiping contacts? Where did you get that from? That's least of the worst fear far as you know it can dail in some 900 number and charge you whatever money they want. They can even data mine and steal other info but antivirus wont help you only way you can be safe is follow common sense and not giving permission to things that's suspicious and asking for access to things it has no need for access to.

Sent from my HTC Glacier
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jggimi:
I beg to differ. Just using one news source .. and articles from the last 30 days, I found the following Andriod malware news stories:

Infected Androids Run Up Big Texting Bills

Mobile Spyware Conferences Into Your Calls

New Android Malware Robs Bandwidth For Fake Searches

Security Warning Over Web-Based Android Market

Android isn't Windows, but it is susceptible to attack. It is a growing market (300,000+ phones activated daily), filled with non-technical, clueless users, as well.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jggimi:
Here's one more, from another news source, from yesterday. Fifty apps. Five-Zero. In Android Market:

Google Removes More Malware from Android Market
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darinmc:
The only alternative app market I've ever seen is appbrain, and that re-routes you to the standard market. Why would you use something other than the android market? Outside of pirated apps, it seems pretty pointless. Am I missing something?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BlackSHELF:
Well thats the beauty of open community even if anything does show up it is quickly identified and users blow the whistle on it. Other than that you need walgarden based market like Apple's App Store which takes time and forever to post as this is fine as is. This is why user recommendation is important and mostly everyone use similar.

Far as virus thing goes its pure void I mean if it was identified then the source wouldn't be available in first place. You DON'T need anything as thats what they want you to think as they pray on your fear to buy these BS app which you don't even need with little caution you can be safe.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] surfnhawaii808:
^^^^ lol Blackshelf is never wrong

.. at least that's what he thinks... ARROGANT

sent from my rooted mytouch 4g
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BlackSHELF:
So why don't you prove me wrong here? are you actually trying to debate this? Last time I checked I was the one behind *nix system for past 12+ years. Thats like driving your car with your eyes closed and when you get in accident you blame the car, no you only have yourself to blame. As this same concept apply for system. Fine lets drop this subject ill let you prove your own point so did you ever find the docs about your "VICC 4G Sim Card"? How did that go for ya? how do I get one? will you sell me one for $9.99? lol
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IlPapu:
So since I don't need antivirus, and mal-ware is all I am looking for, what then is the best methods for telling if an App is laced with mal-ware? I am very careful in what I grant SU access and look at the permission before I install. I usually install from the app market. Any other helpful hints?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BlackSHELF:
Well when you need something as the community for recommendations on which app would be appropriate for your need I mean if you Google it you will find answer as I'm sure someone asked, this way based on top pick what everyone use you can get.

Second is be cautious and what I mean by that is look for abnormalities like the app is asking for permission which wouldn't have news for to function.

Third is the most important part to where you get it ask you can reduce the risk by downloading from app market and not downloading from 3rd party of by pirated *.apk's as you wont know where it came from or what it contained.

If you follow these simple methods you can reduce the risk factor by large margin, now I am no fool I know you still can get it even after this but this way it wont be long before someone blow the whistle on it and app gets pulled from the market. This is just common sense you should follow.

Sent from my HTC Glacier
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michaelvumoore:
Antivirus software?

The most widely used free anti-virus software is AVG from Grisoft which makes money by selling virus protection to small businesses. To promote this, it offers domestic users a very professional free version which allows regular updates.
[Xoom General] setite:
Has anyone figured out a solution for unofficial mobile charging? I am presently trying to find some sort of cigarette charging solution so that my portable solar panel can offer me a charge off the grid. The same solution would obviously work in a car too but I don't want to order the official charger from Motorola and Amazon still has the damn thing on preorder.
[Xoom General] Inphinitizeit:
Try ordering from Verizon. I ordered my portfolio case from them yesterday used code freeovernt and its arriving today.
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
I pre ordered a gel case on Amazon and it now says it will ship Monday. I bet the rest of the accessories will arrive then as well.
[EVO 4G General] jpatterson350:
Can anyone give me a detailed answer as to why the HDMI threads are getting closed? I would like to stay informed of the progress and share my experiences with the dev... isn't that why we all come to XDA?
[EVO 4G General] theundeadelvis:
My guess is because they often turn into arguments of "so-and-so stole code from so-and-so."
[EVO 4G General] Holyrolla:
This and people report them. I've reported two myself because if I want to watch drama, I'd turn on Jerry Springer or Maury. I come here to learn, see what's new with Android developements, get updates on CM7, MIUI, and the like, and maybe even contribute here and there.

If the HMDI threads can keep out the "Down with Teamwin" and "Orrebmas is two-faced" crap, and maintain meaningful dialog, then the threads will live a nice long life...we'll see what happens to this one.
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
The XDA drama queen is in the house! Now where were we?

lol j/k

As long as no one pokes me with a stick again, I'm done with it.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
These guys are right, it just turns into a feud between teamwin supporters and the ooremmbas(however you spell it) supporters. That guy and team win have achieved awesome things lets just accept the greatness and enjoy our evos. Who cares, ooreammbas gave us hdmi, teamwin gave us 4g the 2 single most important things on our evo. I support them all man.
[EVO 4G General] kd0axs:
I don't understand all the drama either. People just need to shut up and enjoy the awesome work that these devs do. Orrebmas has a thread over on Android Central that seems to be staying civil and on topic.

http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc...dmi-official-fullhdmi-beta-discussion-24.html
[EVO 4G General] Cjunior:
what about the teamwin does anybody know where to get some info on it? about the progress with HDMI?

I would love to follow bough
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
There was one thread last night saying people who donated would get a "pro version" of the beta. After seeing that I'm not surprised they got shut down.
[EVO 4G General] Lokifish:
[GPL- Violation] Full HDMI Mirroring(Released)--(NEW UPDATED APP) claims GPL violations. My question to the admins is this. Is the beta apk posted in violation of GPL or the modified kernels or both? If it was the kernel then all that had to be done was have the posted kernels removed. If it was the apk. then there are a hell of a lot of threads that need to be closed on this site.

My personal opinion with regards to this is, the rules are black and white so follow them and enforce them AT ALL TIMES. If there is any confusion/requests (in this case there's a whole lot) as to what the violation is, cite examples of the offending file or post. If no example is given then is looks like typical political BS. As far as "who stole code from whom", post code or GTFO.

To all devs. If you claim to be working on something post links to, or examples of progress or don't post. When you don't show examples it makes the thread/post look like vaporware or BS.

To members. Posting nothing more than "cool" or some of useless drivel makes no sense in a dev thread. If you like then there's a "thanks" button, use it and move on. Dev threads are for test results, bug reports and feature requests. If you want to chat about something in the dev thread there's a "General" forum just a click away. If a general discussion thread is started then request that the OP post a link to it in the first post.
[EVO 4G General] DomSim:
follow shinzul on twitter for updates, he just posted another video yesterday!

http://twitter.com/#!/Shinzul
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
I believe you misunderstood that post. What he meant was that people who already donated would not have to pay for the final release of the app; not the beta. The beta that is out now is the same whether you have donated or not and is available to anyone.

@Lokifish: It is the SBC HDMI kernel that is in violation of GPL. There is a stock HTC kernel where the only change are the HDMI drivers that were added to it which is not in violation of anything. The app is not in violation of anything, either. A member of this site posted the kernel here after orrebmas had removed the link to it voluntarily to not be in violation of any GPL rules.
[EVO 4G General] Cjunior:
thanks man i just started following :D
[EVO 4G General] Lokifish:
That's my thought as well, but instead of closing the thread and deleting everything all it would have taken is the removal of one file to be in compliance. It's akin to formatting a HDD because you find one wallpaper offensive, very childish IMHO.

Off topic but related. TW's development is very tight lipped and from the two vids I've seen I've already found flaws, this doesn't benefit development.
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
I think that due to the drama that has been circling around anything related to Evo HDMI lately, there is little to no tolerance from the mods for anything that doesn't 100% follow the rules. I myself am partly to blame, because I have been beyond outspoken with my opinions. However, I'm ready to let it go and hopefully the other protagonists to this soap opera are, too.

Maybe someone can start a new thread and it can be kept clean. I'm not going to do it seeing as I am probably not the most popular person on the XDA Evo forum right now, but I think someone should.
[EVO 4G General] mrfyisms:
Is this one next?

You have been EVOfied.
[EVO 4G General] Necrosan:
Him not releasing the kernel source changes makes it a GPL violation regardless.

Gotta pay to play, be a true citizen and report the denizens of the internet for GPL violations!
[EVO 4G General] Justin.G11:
ooremmbas's project is not open sourced ... and he fully intends to release it as a payed product. He's made no mystery about that. Even if it's not in literal violation of a certain rule ... it's certainly against the spirit of XDA, so I couldn't care less if it gets shutdown.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
The gpl is more than just a rule made up by xda, it is a legal agreement you agree to in order to use the linux kernel.
[EVO 4G General] Lokifish:
If that's the case then there are a lot of threads on XDA that need to be deleted. Actually lets follow precedence and just lock and delete the whole site. This whole thing goes deeper than just his work, it's the "pick and choose" application of forum rules and GPL.

What are your options then? Are you going to support a closed development project just because you'll get the app for free? From what little I've seen of the alternative it's already flawed but find me the thread where it's discussed so I can voice this. You can't.

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[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
If you know of others who are on XDA distributing modified kernels built from open sources made available under GPL, and who refuse to make their changes to the code available, please point them out or better yet report them to the mods instead of just posting vague, ambiguous accusations of favortism.
[EVO 4G General] :
Example: At what point was there a request made and refused in the [FullHDMI] Official FullHDMI Beta - Update - 2/28 {New Kernel} thread to remove the posted kernels? If a request was made and refused, why was the entire thread deleted as it was not the thread that was in violation but two attached files? Why was the offense not made public?

As far as development is concerned, to what advantage is deleting an entire thread over two files?
[EVO 4G General] Rakeesh_j:
If you make changes to GPL'ed code, and you distribute the binaries to other people, you must make the source code available to those who you distributed it to as well. You are allowed to charge money for your binaries, that is fully acceptable, but again, if you don't distribute the source code, then you are in legal violation of the GPL.

If there are binaries that are in violation of the GPL that are posted here, the moderators would probably delete them because they don't want this forum to be an accessory to copyright infringement (which is what a GPL violation is.)
[EVO 4G General] Holyrolla:
Everyone else here that has a kernel, Tiamat, Salvagezen, CM-kernel, etc., has a Github where you can view the source, fork it down, make any changes you want, and compile it to your hearts content if you want. In fact, if the nightlies aren't running, pull the CM code and compile it yourself. To my understanding, and if I'm wrong please forgive me, but Orrebmas doesn't have a github with his kernel changes. Technically, he would have 30 days from going public, but it is what it is.

People may scream political this and favoritism that in regards to XDA, but it's their site. The rest don't really need to be said again so I'll leave it at that.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
They always pull the whole thread... If they compile though it is all put back how it was before. This is no different then how they treat every other dev.
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
No, sir. YOU said that there were "a lot of threads that need to be deleted." My question to you is, which ones? What other GPL violators are on this site? Which threads are you referring to that "need to be deleted"? Be specific, or stop making baseless accusations.
[EVO 4G General] Wire P. Snyder:
This arguing is pointless and getting us no where. If your find a violation report it. Can't we act more civil and try to act like we're adults.
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
Correct on both accounts, at least to the best of my knowledge. Which is exactly why he pulled it and is in the process of getting a github set up.
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
I'm not arguing I am just curious which threads Loki was referring to. He said there are lots of them, so it should be really easy to come up with a few examples.
[EVO 4G General] ultra74:
I agree with the GPL requirement and think that it is a very simple and clear to be in compliance.

But I would like some clarification on the link to gpl source code argument.

If the OP attaches code that does not include a link to the source, wouldn't it be fine if the moderator just asked the OP to remove or edit the post be enough? I've seen it done before on threads with swype before it was included in the latest OTA.

No need to "dig" though anything it is on the first post.

The second question is if making a post of GPL code without a link to the source, how can a post with ROM dumps of an android kernel without the source even be legal if distribution is forbidden by the GPL without the source?

Random thread from dev section "[DEV] Android 2.3.2 with Sense 2.1 (Huashan & Wildfire S ROMs)" has a complete system dump but no links to source?

Another example is all the MIUI threads. As far as I understand, there is no source code to speak of.

Just asking for clarification.
[EVO 4G General] Necrosan:
MIUI walks a fine line with being compatible with the GPL. (In my opinion, it should probably not be allowed. Especially seeing as source is NOT available for the modifications they clearly have performed to GPL licensed files.)

I don't know why it's allowed, but it probably has to do with the fact that no one is trying to CHARGE for MIUI.

Relating to the Sense "system", that is a 100% proprietary HTC work. They don't ever have to release the source to it.

And the 2.3.2 base source + mods from HTC will be available, albeit when THEY officially release it. (Note that this particular ROM is a "leak," hence the no source. If HTC had released the ROM and said "no source 4 u" then there would be a GPL violation.)

View my thread in evo Q&A if you want some more details on the entire situation.
[EVO 4G General] Holyrolla:
I would say that MIUI is allowed because the kernel that the EVO devs attach to it (SavageZen) has a github setup. So no GPL violation as far as that's concerned. However, source should not to be confused with proprietary code, which while it is an alteration to the Android source, does not have to be released. If that were the case, then HTC would have had to release the HDMI and 4G code, as well as their Sense framework.
[EVO 4G General] Necrosan:
Figured it out.

MIUI falls under the ASL, seeing as it's just the AOSP modified (which also uses ASL for the majority of files), which doesn't require modifications to be submitted "downstream." (except for the few GPL files in the AOSP source, IF they were modified at all)

An interesting tidbit: If the cyanogenmod guys didn't want to release their AOSP source modifications, they are legally entitled not to. (Except for the few specific GPL things in the AOSP source)

Here's a link to describe quickly the differences between those two specific licenses, etc:

Clicky For Info

Regarding the 4G/HDMI drivers, I'm assuming with the 4G portion they went the LGPL loader route in the kernel to keep things "legal."

They have entirely released the source of the HDMI driver.

I _THINK_ it falls under the GPL as it is compiled in and no binary module is provided with it.
[EVO 4G General] ultra74:
I think the ambiguity of how the rules are enforced is what is causing a tiff around here.

I understand each moderator is different and uses their judgment when doing what they do but you know...

I could not find your post that you refered to via your profile, but to respond to the charging for an app, the GPL does not even forbid that.

You can create your application on top of GPL components and distribute them under any license you choose. It is only when you change or redistribute GPLd files that you need to need to comply with the original license.

That is why I think it is fair to have orrebamas[?] remove the kernels if he made the post.

The GPLv2 specifically states that:

3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)

The only issue, is of the applicability to a "Third Party", which the OP might actually fall under. Since the OP is not the originator of the GPL file changes, then the exception in the last paragraph of that section most likely applies (emphasis mine):

If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place counts as distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy the source along with the object code.

I can see how if this is the case then this exception would apply to an OP not associated with the actual development of HDMI kernel mods, MIUI file mods, roms etc.

It just seems that clarification in regards to the actual text would be nice. It's a bit confusing to say that compliance with the GPL is being followed when not stating what exactly is being complied with.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
I'm compiling webOS on my evo and I'm releasing it to all *looks around suspiciously* LOL breakin' the law breakin' the law
[EVO 4G General] ultra74:
dirkyd3rk , Just remember to copy paste all your source code as text in the same post!

:D
[EVO 4G General] :
Including swype in a ROM is redistribution of the swype code and is in violation of both ASL and copyright. This is the main reason why the CM ROMs no longer include the GMail app. See forum rule #9

It's not legal as it violates GPL, ASL and copyright. ROMs that have modified kernel modules but no source are in violation of GPL. All custom ROMs that are based on Sense that include custom kernels with links to the custom kernel's thread don't violate GPL but do violate ASL and copyright. If you modify an app and include it in a ROM you must provide source to comply with ASL. See Section 4 ,Sub-Section 3 of ASL 2.0. The only time that a posted Sense based ROM is in compliance with copyright is if it's accompanied with redistribution licenses for all works protected under copyright. Again see forum rule #9.