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[Off-topic] Akulamenuri:
Customization as in widgets, resizing and changing icons, different web browsers, different on-screen keyboards, custom ROMs of different Android versions and skins, overclocking, undervolting, different lockscreens, etc. Most of these things the average user doesn't worry about and doesn't NEED to worry about.

Although I am a fan of Android, my honest opinion, if you want a tablet you should buy the iPad 2.
[Off-topic] jvs60:
Everybody that's choosing the ipad 2... goodbye, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out to the pasture.
[Off-topic] clandest:
With android you just have more controll. With ios they have that so locked down you are very limited to what you can do besides what apple allows. Do research on android, there is to much just to type in one post.
[Off-topic] clandest:
this.....

If you know why you want then get that. You don't come to forums to just tell people what you are going to buy. We really don't care.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
That is the biggest thing holding me back from the iPad: the fact that it is locked down and to get added functionality, you have to buy a dock or a $39 connector...

Maybe to rephrase my question for this community: what can the Android do, productivity-wise, that the iPad can't?

Thanks for your patience in trying to help me "get it."
[Off-topic] dubsjw27:
So if the iPad 2 was announced before the XOOM, would we all be sitting here complaining that the Xoom is a direct rip-off of the iPad 2?

I guess not since this is an android forum, but you get my point.
[Off-topic] mazz0310:
It's the way that apple annouces their products and attacks their competition that brings non-fanboys to attacking the product/defending android.

It's just frustrating to see people drool over Apple products when in reality it isn't as innovative as Apple plays it out to be.

(Not sure if I worded that how I wanted, but I'm sure the point is across)
[Off-topic] Akulamenuri:
Nothing at all.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
I don't think anyone here is interested in name calling and figuring out who was first or who is best or whatever. Everyone has their opinion of what they like and what works best for them. Since this is a more Android-centric community (which is why I'm here in the first place), would you please share your own personal experiences and uses of the Android (tablets, in particular) that increases your productivity and allows you to do things that you wouldn't be able to do otherwise?

Thank you in advance!
[Off-topic] muyoso:
I dont l like the way Steve Jobs does it either, but his attacks were absolutely valid. The price points so far are absurd. The quality is not even in the same ballpark as the all aluminum iPad. And there are no apps because Motorola rushed it out the day after the SDK was released.

The iPad is now selling for $349 refurbished or $399 new. The iPad 2 will be $499 new. At launch the iPad had over 2000 apps.

Apple does things right. I dont like their ecosystem or iOS, but as a company they get it. So far no android manufacturers get it.
[Off-topic] mazz0310:
They are essentially the same thing and one can do what the other can do. The whole opinion between the two is the UI. I prefer Android, the UI is not as boring and much more customizable. On all my Android phones I have never left the stock Android, I always install ROMs and it keeps me entertained with my phones.

My iPod touch, I use it strictly for music. When I first bought it I was amazed with all the apps and I downloaded everything I can and I loved it....until about 3 months later I just started getting bored with it, and now I have a fancy touchscreen mp3 player.
[Off-topic] funnycreature:
I do that with my iPhone. Ever tried taking a tablet to the gym or for a run!!??! LOL
[Off-topic] clandest:
The way honeycomb functions is way more productive then ios for tablets. The only thing you are missing is all the apps(mainly just games ) that apple offers.

iOS was designed for phone use. Android 2.3 and below was made for phone use. Android 3.0(honeycomb) was made for tablets. So naturally you will have a better user experiance on an android tablet, because that's what the os was made for.
[Off-topic] green94:
This. Made my decision very easy to purchase the Xoom.

I'm an Apple guy (iPhone/Macbook), but the Xoom and Honeycomb have been a truly great experience so far. I'm actually considering selling my Macbook... haven't even touched it since last Thursday :)
[Off-topic] mazz0310:
I do agree, their is a lack of apps because they rushed out after releasing the SDK, but does Steve say that ...no....the point is valid now, but in a few months there will be more apps (still not 65,000) though.

Quality: I don't like the alluminum they use, I use my iPod touch and my hands smell like metal afterwards. I like the soft feel of the plastic or rubber. The Xoom still feels like a quality product without aluminum.

Price: You got that down pat. Way to expensive, and Apple does get it. They listen and mold around their fanboys. Without their fanboys they probably wouldn't be as successful, which is why I like to be a loyal fanboy to android. But I agree Motorola doesn't understand $800 is slightly cheaper than a macbook air, and more expensive than most laptops.

And I don't mean this to be an attack, because I do think you're right/Jobs is right on a few fronts, just my opinions though.
[Off-topic] funnycreature:
Doesn't that trigger an alarm in the Apple HQ!?!!? ;)
[Off-topic] muyoso:
Didn't take it as an attack at all. Everyone has personal preferences. I prefer Android software over iOS. Just saying to a guy walking up to an iPad 2 and a Xoom next to each other, immediate initial impressions are going to be one is made of metal, the other of plastic. One is thin as ****, the other isn't thick but its certainly thicker. Thats before they even get to hearing that one has an Apple logo on the back.
[Off-topic] Eclair~:
This is so true.

The closest thing we're getting to an aluminum Android tablet is the rim around the Galaxy Tab 10.1. At least they tried.

@muyoso

Also, I don't believe the body of the Xoom is made of plastic, isn't it some sort of rubber? Or are you saying people will assume the Xoom is made out plastic?
[Off-topic] clandest:
yep, the decision should come from the os that the tablet is running. If the xoom was running gingerbred I would not have bought it. Apple is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition, but google is on the right track. We aren't going to get a million apps over night like people want, but its inevitable android will catch up. Apple is just one company. Google is just one company that works with multiple ccompany's. If you look at phone carriers there are at least 10 android phones per carrier so in time android will pass just the one company ios.

So pretty much, android is a new born baby that still needs to grow, but it eventually will because it has strong parents backing iit.

So if you cant wait because you need those 1,000 apps then go buy the I pad. It shouldn't be a hard decsion. Android will eventually get to that level, but its not there rright now.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Apple knows how to market and they know how to release their product, that's for sure. They know how to get people chomping at the bit and excited to hand over their hard earned money...

If Android tablets want to gain more market share, they should take some notes from Apple and learn the art of marketing to get people excited about their products instead of getting people excited about saving money as compared to buying an Apple product...

Some things Android could "market" better. Show how the Android can totally replace your desktop (apparently, iPad users still need to sync with another computer). Show Google Apps integration and how you can access all your stuff and documents through the cloud. Show how you can expand your storage capacity due to the USB ports and SD card slot. Include useful apps stock on Android so that you can put the tablet to use immediately after purchase instead of having to browse the market for apps (and spending more money).

As the little guy trying to catch up to the behemoth that Apple has become, Android has to show itself to clearly be the better choice. Instead, Android "seekers" are told to perform Google searches to find out what the Android can do instead of it being evident the power of Android. Didn't you hate it when, as a kid, you would ask your parents something and they would tell you to look it up or that you'll understand when you'll get older?

I am such a "seeker" and have tried to do research... more than I would like to admit and more than the average consumer would and I still don't fully see the glaring advantages of Android... and a lot of that was turned during a captivating one hour presentation from Apple that was only accessed through a live blog with no sound or video...

Did anyone else notice how Apple got people so excited that they never even mentioned how much RAM is in the iPad2 or that the front camera is only VGA and the rear camera is only 720 video? All their hoopla makes those things not matter as much... they have nice-looking, smart videos, they show the capabilities of the device and in actual use. They focus on the positive attributes of their product and push those aspects... not unlike Android users with regards to Android... Apple just happens to do it better and in a more mass appealing way.

I want to see Android succeed. I want to have an accessible device that costs less and does more. I want to get the best bang in return for my hard earned dollars. I want to be more productive and make my life easier and more enjoyable. I want the things I purchase to work and to work well and reliably. Show me these things and I will do what I can to purchase your product!
[Off-topic] clandest:
Haha same here. I have my PC for my heavy duty task and my lovely honeycomb for my little sweet, tastey task.
[Off-topic] mazz0310:
Very good post. Long read but good. I agree with you and Android does need to find better ways to market. If an android tablet came out and didnt mention RAM no one would buy it.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
That's awesome to hear! I'm hoping our next tablet will replace my wife's Powerbook G4! Care to elaborate what you have been loving about Honeycomb?

Thanks!
[Off-topic] clandest:
Well put PeterC1031, it all comes down to marketing. Its frustrating, cause I want to see android succeed, but apple is such a huge Juggernaut they just plow through everything in their way.
[Off-topic] Eclair~:
This puts things in an interesting perspective. If Android was marketed better, obviously it could succeed more. This makes me notice.. why doesn't Google try to push Android? They can pay probably millions for a Super Bowl ad.. but they don't try to advertise Android at all.

They leave it up to the manufactures and partners to do everything. With their power, Google could easily get beautiful Android ads on TV. They can have a commercial maybe have an iPhone and Android device right next to each other and show what it can't do that the Android device can. Same for tablets. They can make these beautiful commercials that Apple excels at as well, and literally destroy them (or at least gain Android a cult-like-following as well). Why don't they TRY. Apple appeals to people with it's beautiful, simple, elegant commercials. The commercials Apple has and even their website really makes you "Ah.." even if you do not like them. It just seems no one really cares about Android REALLY succeeding. Android could honestly be more respected than iOS if Google really tried. But they don't. And it does not look like they will anytime soon.

Give Android devices to talk-shows, put them in movies, make people think their cool. Give them to celebrities and whatnot. Why can't Google do this?!
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
iPad 2 hands-on video from engadget.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Well, there was a Xoom commercial during the Super Bowl... some guy was riding the subway and delivered flowers to a girl using Google maps... and somehow that's supposed to make you want a Xoom... except only the people who already knew what a Xoom was knew that the commercial was about the Xoom... but it didn't make you think it was cool or did anything special... :(

I recently was looking into Google Chrome and trying to learn what makes it better than Firefox which I'd been using for years... I couldn't find any videos that made any sense with regards to Chrome! It was all conceptual and they were trying to be artsy but it didn't tell me anything about Chrome. However, I decided to install Chrome anyways and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! The extensions are nice and convenient, it has a clean interface, it doesn't crash on me like Firefox, etc. But I was getting frustrated trying when I was trying to learn about all the Chrome has to offer. The videos weren't helpful at all and didn't demonstrate Chrome or its features in any way.

For most people, "just try it" doesn't work for them as they have to install new software, learn a new interface, spend time with it... BUT if you can show me why I would want to use your product and why it would make my life easier, I would gladly go through the learning curve! In my case, I had to go through the learning curve first to gain the benefits of Chrome... most people don't have the time or motivation to do so.

Likewise, most of us here are hackers, tinkerers, "tech heads," geeks, smart people. We like to learn new things and do things that we probably aren't supposed to do or that wasn't intended to do... but until you can explain clearly why what you do is worth it for the average person, it won't catch on and you will always be busting your butt and yelling at people, telling them how awesome whatever you're using is... but they won't get it. There's too much information to sift through and too much to learn for most people to want to.

Case in point, most people wouldn't want to read this post because it looks so long :) Thanks for reading all my rants :D
[Off-topic] SmokeMasta:
peterc1031 think of the ipad like a big version of a ipod touch nothing more. while the android tries to emulate a pc more.

the freedom that android gives in software(apps) is what makes it more like a pc.

android is actualy a heavy modified version of a pc operating sytem(linux)
[Off-topic] mazz0310:
Agree 100% with that
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Sorry if I sound like a resounding gong but can you elaborate on how Android is more like a PC vs iPad? I need to hear quantitative facts and not generalizations... I'm not trying to be obnoxious but am trying to understand (in hopes of also convincing others). How would you explain it to someone who doesn't know what Linux is? After all, isn't OSX based on Unix?

Thanks for your help!
[Off-topic] SmokeMasta:
the ipad OS (iOS) is not OSX.

android lets you keep full control over your device. (if you choose to even to the core of the system)

iOS is more that they give you what they want you to use. and if you want to use more you got to break warranties and "jailBreak" the device.

and like i have read a while ago "android feature list is a wishlist(next version list) for iOS"

with that idea.

with apple you dont have a file explorer. cannot access files on the system like video files unless you downloaded(bought) a application for it that allows it.

downloading for example a video file and playing it is quite the hassle.

apple REQUIRES for easy video and audio installation that you have it hooked up to a pc and use iTunes to transfer the files over

android supports linking telephones/tablets together so you dont have to subscribe to multiple carriers/contracts.

with android you can also enjoy the full power of the google cloud services.

android allows for cross platform gaming.

apple also has the nasty habbit of creating a device without for example camera's(when all other devices have them) telling you that you dont need it and then a year later release the version with the camera.

oh and dont forget apple HATES flash. no hulu or other flash based websites. thereby forcing you to switch to a mobile version of said website.

in my personal opinion .. the only thing that is realy worth it from apple are their mp3 players nothing more.

my suggestion on buying a tablet device for your wife... give it a while then a billion other brands like toshiba,asus,samsung,htc all come out with their tablets making the market bigger and forcing a price war.

apple never joins in a price war so when android gets cheaper tablets apple stays at 500 bucks minimum
[Off-topic] broadwayblue:
so other than the iPad 2 being a good bit thinner than the Xoom is it better in any other way? yeah, the magnetic screen protector is cool i guess, assuming it's not just a gimmick. but that aside it doesn't look more advanced than the Xoom unless I'm missing something.
[Off-topic] hi_its_ryan:
I wouldn't. If a person doesn't know or care about having the ability to alter their device down to the most fundamental software layer, then the apple store is the place for them IMO.
[Off-topic] SmokeMasta:
ryan ... what we want to do is educate not humiliate..

leave that for apple forums when we go out trolololololing
[Off-topic] legato89:
Apple?? THIS....IS....ANDROID!!!
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Thanks for the explanation. Does rooting your device break warranties on Honeycomb and Android devices?

To summarize:

File management

Multimedia: Download video and audio files and play them without having to convert them in iTunes and then transferring them over to your device.

Store and edit your documents on the Google cloud. Access your documents from any internet device and not just your tablet due to Google apps integration.

I'm not sure I understand what these mean:
[Off-topic] SmokeMasta:
xoom rooting does break the LTE upgrade warrantee .. but you can unroot a device so it looks like stock.

with linking i mean that you can use your android tablet with 3g connection to get your laptop online wirelessly (it can act like a hotspot) this can be done with almost all android devices .. and if its locked you root it or flash(install) a new android version on it that allows it.

cross platform gaming means that in games that support it (sony going to support it bigtime) you can play your game on your pc then when you need to go to work you can continue where you left of on your android device.

also android is a opensource operating system witch means that you if you know the C coding language can modify a version of android to your own specs.
[Off-topic] knut150:
agreed, with the release of the wifi at an competitive price all the price noise is likely to go away, but Moto is still overcharging
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
There are several things that make the iPad appealing: everything that's supposed to work works, lots of apps, innovative and entertaining apps like Garageband and Photobooth, thinner, lighter, "sexier," cheaper, and available very soon.

With the Xoom, there are still quirks, bugs, and promises of flash, a working SD card slot, and more apps.

Whether you like Apple or Android, we would like to have meaningful and respectful conversations. Rather than make your adversary conflict with you more and cause a bigger rift, it may be better to try to sway them with reasoning and logic. Though discussions are often emotional especially on forums, they eventually have to be backed up with facts. So provide good, meaningful facts and maybe people will want to care about having the ability to alter and control their device. But as long as you are "at war" with them, they'll have no reason to want to.

Forget the "agree with me or screw you" attitude. There's enough of that with Apple, right? Let's show people that the open-source community is, in fact, more open and kind-hearted, understanding and patient enough to help others.

Apply the patience to "wait for all the new Honeycomb apps" to patience towards other people, especially those who have a different opinion than you.
[Off-topic] knut150:
+ 1 this being a XDA forum, besides the price debate and the non-existence of the wifi on the xoom side it is assumed that an android user has very clear what the deference are in the platforms. Other than that it's just the old pc/apple debate that doesn’t take you anywhere: it is a personal preference.:rolleyes:
[Off-topic] hi_its_ryan:
By signing up on belligerently open-source community forums and talking up Apple products?

Good plan, bro.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Interesting comments on another related thread:
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Hi Ryan,

I'm not talking up anyone. I'm looking for facts and asking for people's experiences. Like I said, I'm trying to understand and learn more about Android and Honeycomb. I'd like to find a desktop/laptop replacement and it looks like Honeycomb's goals are to do just that.
[Off-topic] cheebahawk:
I dont understand why people buying iPad2 would leave this great forum. They obviously still have Android devices. I think frankly iPad2 is a better buy TODAY, but who knows what will happen in 6-12months from now. Android does have a lot of catching up to do.

The commercial was playing off the novel 1984 and making fun of Apple for becoming the industry. Apple had a commercial in 1984 along the same lines. Dont be an Apple conformist, Android is the answer, etc. Its subtle hint that you shouldnt just be a mindless Apple fanboy.. I thought the commercial was pretty clever.
[Off-topic] hi_its_ryan:
Now I know you are trolling
[Off-topic] RadDudeTommy:
Word to iamsupreme.

I was dissapointed in the ipad2 features, I was thinking if it was going to be awesome I'd take back my xoom and save a few hundred. But it seems like a slightly slimmed down xoom with a ****ty os hat I already have on my phone.

There also was no surprise, everything was already rumored. How fun is that to hold an event and basically say all the rumors are true except the good ones.
[Off-topic] Bauxite:
Everytime I see an apple keynote, I wait for a notification to pop up in the middle of the screen when they are trying to demo something. It doesn't happen but it does happen all the time every single day to iOS users. I will NEVER buy an iOS device as long as it has such completely utterly terrible notifications.
[Off-topic] inspiron41:
Verizon Rep said that there was a $70 restocking fee
[Off-topic] inspiron41:
I must agree too. Apple certainly know how to put a show on. But I was more interested in the changes in the os and there were absolutely none! It's like Microsoft running windows 95 in 2011
[Off-topic] ilogik:
I think its all about apps and stability. I am tired of having to reboot the xoom because of laggines or FC's and not being able to play movies without having to convert them. If I have to do that I might as well convert them for the ipad.

I knew there would be no dedicated apps for it for a while but I think it just makes sense to go with the ipad, save $300 and have something that is stable.
[Off-topic] Lady756:
The notifications are absolutely ridiculous. It makes zero sense that they haven't fixed them yet.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
I thought you didn't have to convert videos to watch them on the Xoom!
[Off-topic] schnoz:
You do have to, from what ive heard. Android really needs an air play alternative.
[Off-topic] DroidzFX:
Hmmm

The only reason you dont have to convert videos for ipad is because your getting them through itunes. Ipad also does not play every format under the sun. If you go torrent something you cant just throw it on the pad and it play.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Apparently, the Xoom also doesn't play every format under the sun... or does it? I'm hearing mixed things.
[Off-topic] muyoso:
I hate iOS. You cannot just throw something on the iPad period. But the iPad DOES have some pretty awesome media support. XBMC runs on iPad if you are jailbroken, full fledged XBMC. Also, Air Video is probably the coolest app ever and makes any problems that the ipad has with media obsolete.

It very much doesn't.
[Off-topic] PeterC1031:
Is there an Office Suite available for Honeycomb? I believe the Notion Ink Adam has QuickOffice... is this a Notion Ink exclusive or available for all Android tablets?