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[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
look man, sprint sucks. im on hold with them for the 3rd time in 3 weeks because of tower issues and all they say is its our phones. everyone i know in my area is having radio issues. i may just cancel tonight if this isn't resolved. these idiots have no idea what they are even doing.

and btw i never per say name called. it's the truth, you go in every negative thread about sprint and stick up for them to the end, regardless.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Stop presenting your personal opinion as fact.

And no, it's not the truth.

I merely am reasonable with my assessments while you are nothing but completely unreasonable and just want to whine whine whine.

One way gets things done, the other doesn't.

Either way it does NOT enable you to call me names.

You know what's funny, EVERYtime I present objective reasonings to discussions like this they're ignored.

This thread is about throttling, someone comes in here claiming they "know for a fact" it's throttled.

I ask for proof.

Does that make me a "fanboy"?

Not in the least.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
"1 in 5 have sprint" is a ridiculous statistic to use as justification. If one in five have sprint, and only 38 percent have smartphones, what's the reasoning behind the towers being clogged literally all day? Beyond that, my area is roughly 55% verizon, 20% ATT, and the final 25% divided between Sprint and Metro. So 1 in 5 means nothing in my market.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Unless they're throattling down to DIAL UP speeds, no, I don't think they are, but their service sure as hell sucks ass and keep getting worse! I can't even get 100k down anymore, which I could a week ago; 4G is 500k down, but seems to have problems actually finishing loading stuff.

If this trend continues, another week and nothing will work at all.
[EVO 4G General] TommyNgo215:
No I have never heard such thing from Sprint. In the past I've seen people posting letters from Vzw for using too much bandwidth but Sprint is pretty good on this. I just recently switched from Vzw to sprint n been a happy camper mysellf
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
38%?

This claims 51%.

[Less the fact that non-smartphones use data too]

I didn't say it was excusable for the network to be bogged down, I did say there's plenty of users to do so.

That's why it's a ridiculous claim.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
off subject but no eta once again on the tower fix issues. apparently it's affecting 5 zip codes over here. they are giving me a free airrave or whatever it's called and waiving the monthly fee. also next months bill is on them. that makes me a bit happier, problem is the signal and issues will persist outside my home so ill give them a few more weeks before i call back and try to get out of the eft based on this. basically im paying for service on two lines and neither of them get good radio coverage based on their issues.

EDIT: just called my local sprint store and they told me 3 towers were damaged and alot of people are complaining and leaving sprint right now. i may be next if this isn't fixed and quick. 3-4 weeks downtime is a bit ridiculous IMO.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
i dont need an article to prove my point, considering i've had clearwire for 3 years now. And they use the same exact tours as clearwire with the same exact auth.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
::thumbsup::

Then it's not fact.

It's just your personal opinion based on your experience with Clearwire which may be true for their services but doesn't mean it affects Sprint users usage.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
you probably can't comprehend english. SPRINT OWNS CLEARWIRE. SPRINT USES CLEARWIRE TOWERS. THE TOWERS THROTTLE.

understand now?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
What is so hard about the fact that you don't get to present things as fact if you don't provide facts?

Sprint owns 54% of Clearwire... Comcast, Time Warner Cable, Intel, Google, and Bright House Networks also own parts of Clearwire.

What is your point?

Just because Clearwire may throttle some services doesn't mean the usage Sprint users get on their network is throttled.

Science H logic. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] jblazea50:
I'm not sure if Sprint trottle's 3G speed, but I've noticed huge difference the past 2 days (the only 2 days that I actually tested 3G data at home). I've noticed at night and early morning (before 9am and after midnight), my 3G speed is anywhere from 0.7mbps to 1.5mbps.

However, the rest of the time, it is less than 300kbps. These speed tests were done at the same location and I ran anywhere between 5-8 tests during different time of the day. 3G is basically useless for me during 9am to like 10-11pm since it is so slow.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
my area is having a large outage currently but yes ive noticed very slow data at certain times of the day.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
And im telling you that there aren't enough customers in my market to justify the speed loss. Hell, I didn't even claim that they throttled, you inferred that for yourself. But the fact is, my data slows SIGNIFICANTLY and the Sprint customer base isnt big enough to merit the drop in quality.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Where are you located?
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
The slow speeds occur in Okemos, which is a little east of East Lansing.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
probably associated with the huge outage they have right now. they told me if affects over 5-6 different area codes over here. btw im in grand rapids!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You're correct.

I just hung up with a manager whom named every zip code in my area affected by the outage. (I'm in dearborn heights)

There wasn't one zip code within a hundred miles not on the list.

She will be calling me next Saturday to see if the issue is still going on and to adjust my account further to reflect it.

I suggest you call guys call for a refund.

Take a screenshot with full bars as proof.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
And that answers every data problem I've had every Saturday since singing with sprint? Ill make sure I update this thread weekly with my Saturday speeds.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
illl give it a week or so before i cancel and move on. 4 weeks of this is enough for me. i need my phone for business.
[EVO 4G General] akarol:
First of all, Sprint does NOT own Clearwire.

Second of all, just because Clearwire shares their WiMax infrastructure (and WiMax only) with Sprint (Sprint leases their signal), and Clearwire throttles their own customers, does NOT mean that they automatically throttle Sprints customers. It's all dependent on what contract they have, and I can assure you Sprint doesn't allow that.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Technically they do

Sent from your favorite carrier, black and yellow!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
"Technically."

They have 57% stock in Clearwire.

Per my understanding that is more to help Clearwire with their financial issues than it is to actually own Clearwire.

Anyway, this is all besides the point, the rest of his post is the point.

If someone can provide evidence that Sprint's 4g, or 3g, is actually throttled then that's fine.

However, until the evidence is actually provided, people do not get the right to present assumption as facts.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Exactly! I need my phone to work for my business and I don't feel like paying for a service that doesn't even work half the time.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Actually, they own 51%+ of Clearwire, therefore they own the controlling part of the company.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I understand the definition of ownership I'm saying that I believe its moreso to help relieve the financial issues of clearwire than it is to claim ownership/have control.
[EVO 4G General] :
Having used my phone for Sprint data services for almost 10 years now, I can say that yes they do throttle connections. Granted they don't do it in the way most people think. There's not some guy hitting a "throttle" button. Here's a simplified version of how it works.

On a node (which serves multiple towers) with moderate use, your initial connection is given "premium" scheduling. After a while (determined by an algorithm based on load, time and data type) your connection is then dropped to "bulk" scheduling. Think of bulk scheduling as "when I have the time" priority. Should the load drop then connections are then put on a rotation schedule of "premium" and "bulk". This type of scheduling has been going on since 1xRTT and continues to be used in WiMAX as well. Granted connection quality at the phone, tower and node play a role but this is nothing new. Your computer, router and ISP do the same thing.
[EVO 4G General] fldash:
This makes a lot of sense... So when I enable airplane mode, and then turn it off and my speed is faster, is it because I've been put back into premium scheduling?
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
This matty dude clearly works for Sprint. I'm just going to go ahead and save time by placing him on ignore now.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Great idea!
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Here's the first of my tests, Matt. Ill be taking hourly tests today. By your definition, it'd seem like the whole sstate moved to my tower in the last hour.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
That's exactly what my data looks like!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
It's an interested theory but where's the proof?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364989,00.asp

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/11/sprint-to-begin-throttling-data-this-summer/

Granted the articles are a little old but, let's be honest, these news places are constantly trying to find stuff to report.

If they find that anyone is throttling, when they claim they don't, such as Sprint, you can bet your sweet ass they will be reporting on it.

Yet there's no one doing that, they're actually reporting the opposite.

Really sick and tired of this one, I "work for Sprint" because I want people to present actual facts when claiming things as fact? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I don't understand where anything I've said is defined as that?

Nor do I understand how you're connecting that screenshot to being throttled.

Sprint has had data issues lately.

As evidence by the up and down and all around speeds you're getting.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
You attributed my slow speeds to heavy traffic, remember?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
No, I said that COULD explain why your data speeds are lower during the day.

But then you told me you are in Michigan and I explained that Michigan is a big component in this outage/issues Sprint is having with data.

As I said last night, the manager I spoke to last light basically said it's the entire lower Michigan and other areas in other states too.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
I understand that. However, if youd actually pay attention, I said this Saturday slowdown has been constant since I signed my contract - in September. Data issues for that llong only on saturdays? lol.

As I said, ill provide weekly results so you can watch my data connection slow down - significantly - on a fixed, constant basis.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Instead of providing me with this data I think you should provide it to Sprint.

Then, hopefully, they can resolve the issue for you and issue any refund possible.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Because sprint isn't soapboxing on a forum and blindly denying stats. Read your sig, man. Just because you don't like what's being said doesn't make it not true.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Huh?

I'm not sure what my signature has to do with this discussion.

You've provided NO actual evidence that Sprint is throttling, merely that you're having data issues, like a lot of areas in Michigan.

You know what, if you take screenshots of this issue and contact them telling them you have an issue and proof of it they will assist you.

They will also refund you part of your bill.

If you aren't interested in trying to fix the issue then it's no one's fault, BUT YOUR OWN, that the issue continues.

If I were you I would gather screenshots showing the data bandwidth, with full or almost full bars, and then I would call them, ask to speak to "advanced technical support" and explain the issues and explain you have screenshots.

But that's just me, I like to get things done.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
You're the one clearly advocating that sprint does not throttle. I provided a situation where data is regularly slowed down on a significant level. This claim wasnt good enough for you, and you gave excuses instead. I don't believe your excuses are valid. So, rather than simply arguing, im letring the numbers talk for me. And as the weeks go by, and my data shows time and time again that Sprint throttles my area on saturdays, your excuses will look more and more laughable.

Or, you know, you could just admit that your blind faith in sprint never throttling ever is wrong. When you can do that, ill stop posting evidence that makes you look like a fool.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Wow.

Dude, show me this "blind faith in Sprint."

Show me it.

LIKE ANYTHING IN LIFE, evidence has to be provided when you make a claim.

You are showing us that you are having data issues.

That sucks, really it does and I'm hoping you call and get a refund, but just because you're having data issues---like most of Michigan and some other states too---is NOT evidence of throttling.

Just because YOU for some reason WANT it to be evidence of throttling, doesn't mean it is.

If you can provide ACTUAL evidence that Sprint is throttling, then you can bet your ass that I will be there to complain about Sprint [as they claim they don't] right along with everyone else.

But you haven't proven anything.

You've just proven that data in your area has been questionable.

Which is known on these forums, and even acknowledged by Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Name calling, nice.

The fact is that you don't want the issue solved [evidence by posting information here instead of going to Sprint with it], you are just hell bent on trying to prove something [data throttling] with evidence that COULD be used to prove a myriad of other things.

Evidence has been provided by snowboarda42, albeit a little dated, that Sprint doesn't throttle.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364989,00.asp

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/11/sprint-to-begin-throttling-data-this-summer/

Requesting some actual evidence to the contrary is more than justified.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Regardless, here are my results for the last few hours. I predict these "network problems" magically vanishing by ten tonight.

Edit: and before you try and blame tTorrent, that is set to wifi only. I get off wifi every hour to take the speed test because those speeds are useless when browsing.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
I dont know why its so hard for some folks to believe. I guess they think that Sprint adding those proxy servers that slow the hell out of the data speeds on the phone were accidents too. Not to mention they know about it and could easily send out an update to fix it but dont.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
It's more evidence than posting bandwidth results during a semi-nationwide outage that is known.

I don't understand what is so hard to understand about the fact that you are NOT providing proof.

You keep talking about your personal data results.

Yeah, they are bad.

Sprint has admitted to a semi-nationwide outage THAT YOUR AREA IS APART OF.

I don't understand why you don't understand the very simple idea that, because of the outage that affects you, you CANNOT use your bandwidth issues as evidence of "throttling."

They won't.

In this thread we've talked about the fact that the data speeds are all the time.

My current speeds are all the time slow too.

I am in Dearborn Heights, a suburb of Detroit.

The past week and a half my speeds have been less than 500K ANYTIME of day, whether it be 3pm or 3am.

I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand that you cannot use bandwidth data DURING A KNOWN OUTAGE THAT AFFECTS YOUR AREA as proof of throttling.

Do you honestly think that, if Sprint was throttling, AndroidCentral/Endgaget/Every other news source out there on this subject as I'm not going to name everyone off, would somehow IGNORE it?

Are you insane?

Are you guys trying to suggest there's some conspiracy to cover Sprint's throttling or something? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sprint is claiming that their data is unlimited and untrottled.

They are claiming that is the justification for charging $10 more a month to all new lines.

IF there was ANY proof that they are lying Endgaget and the many many many others would be ALL over it.

IF there was ANY proof there would be class-action lawsuits.

HELL, THE OTHER CARRIERS WOULD BE ALL OVER THEM ABOUT IT IN COMMERCIALS.

I mean, really, this isn't hard to understand at all.
[EVO 4G General] :
Here you go.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8634171&postcount=7

the rest is all networking basics
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Yes, that is applicable to WiMAX.

It is done for many reasons including the fact that you want your speeds to be consistent for quality purposes. If the speed is constantly jumping between 5mbit/s and 15mb/s then it's pretty useless.

While this proves that there is an upper limit to speeds, we knew that already.

It's not throttling as much as it is using the available bandwidth efficiently.

The reference to "throttling", in the carrier world, is limiting bandwidth once a user uses so much data.

Verizon throttles their "high bandwidth" users.

T-mobile does the same.

Sprint does not.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You really need to stop using phrases like "unless you continue to be blind."

You're not a politician.

This isn't a "rally up the troops" speech.

You posted two screenshots that show that your best speeds are around 930am.

You posted a screenshot that showed your speeds between midnight and 2 am.

Those speeds were slower than at 930am.

Are you trying to suggest that you're "throttled" at 2am, when traffic is likely very low, and you're not at 930am when traffic is likely medium to high and picking up?? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

There is ONE thing I see from your bandwidth speeds:

There are some serious network issues in your area. [which OMG is already known!]

Your fastest speed is 254.5 kbps download.

That is practically 1x speeds.

Network issues, not throttling.

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[EVO 4G General] craigbailey1986:
I have not posted in a while because ppl on here tend to take questions and create a place of anger...

But I do read the forum periodically and I am, just being curious, wondering can you post a screen shot of the morning when its so high and then another when It's so low...I mean that's a huge drop, doesn't seem logical for them to drop you down that low...

You don't have to if you don't want to but I wanted to know the same but it has never dropped that low... looks like you were on WiFi (not saying you were) and then turned it off....
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
He did, here, where he had a whopping 51.1 more at 9:39am than at 2:08am. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Because Sprint is "throttling" him that ridiculously low at 2am comparative to 9:30 am. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Just "lol" man, really.
[EVO 4G General] craigbailey1986:
Well I don't want to cross anyone the wrong way so I will wait to see before I make any accusations, I mean all we have is our word and that's that... I don't know what sprint does cause I don't work for them but here in ga sprint has the best imo service.. I have converted 3 iPhone users this year alone with my virus mytouch 4G port Rom...
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I understand man and honestly, I am open to evidence too.

But there's been NO evidence actually provided here.

There's been one person that claimed he "knew for a fact" that Sprint throttles, while providing NO evidence or facts.

And this person that keeps insisting that he's throttled.

The problem is people making assumptive claims based upon data that is subject to a lot of different conditions.

We KNOW that most of Michigan, including his area and even mine, are subject to some seriousssss network issues right now.

My data hasn't tested above 300 in well over a week!

But knowing those current conditions you CANNOT use this data to make assumptions about throttling.

That's the problem here.

He's taking data and trying to make it say what he WANTS it to say.

What he is doing is, quite honestly, the equivalent of me taking a Verizon phone...trying to use 3g during a known outage and then saying "Verizon's network never works."

It's not the truth, it's not fair to Verizon, and it's complete and utter bull****.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
They do throttle services, for connection cards at least. My next door neighbor even got a nice letter in the mail for it lol
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I want you to show me one post, ever, where I told someone that they don't have a problem when they do.

You can't.

However, if someone says "God is a giant spaghetti monster, I know for a fact" guess what that person HAS to do.

Uh, provide those facts?

That's all that is going on here, friend, read a little.

Stop assuming.

Hell, even DirtyShroomz's post "They do throttle services, extremely heavy users but they do, do it."

He's saying they do, he's presenting what he's saying as FACT.

Okay, fine, then prove it.

Why shouldn't he be expected prove things that he presents as FACT?

He should.

The end.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
You guys need to calm down. I emailed dan@sprint.com a while ago about getting a brand new replacement Evo (long story), and eventually they budged and were able to give me one. Last week, I emailed them about the 3G speeds issue and they said they would forward it to technical support. Today a higher-up at tech support called me back and had me read him back various data from the Field Trial menu (##33284#) and then give him the results of a run from Speed Test. I got 301 kbps down and 7 kbps down with 999 ms ping. He apologized and said they would fix it. I made sure to tell him it was nationwide. Now, even though there have been issues with speed, after being with AT&T for 4 years, I can tell you that the employees at Sprint are a hell of a lot more willing to help you out (or at least, the average employee). They are genuinely trying to fix the issue. How do I know? Because they don't want to lose customers. I've already read posts from a bunch of people saying they're done with Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Again, they are not throttling you. There have been nationwide 3G issues. There's even a thread about it (called "Data Speeds, wtf?"). Look it up if you don't believe me. This has been going on for months. Also, if you're so paranoid, flash the Data Governor Removal Mod that most mods have (Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo has this).
[EVO 4G General] :
IF our connections are being throttled would it be throttled in tethered mode as well? If so, would a Glasnost and ShaperProbe test result be accepted as evidence one way or another?