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[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
It's the best phone available in the Japanese market, hence, best on the market. There may be better phones in other countries, but, I can only judge based on what I've used/seen, and the Arc is fantastic.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
The atrix gets 2400 to 2800 stock lol..
[XPERIA X10 General] :
HOLY SHI...!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Does anyone know how to interpret these scores? From what I can tell during the test a score of around 800 averages 13 frames per second, and a 1300 score averages 14 frames per second. When you look at it that way it isn't quite as impressive. You would think double the score would double the frames per second, but maybe I'm completely wrong. Watch the counter in the bottom left corner while running the benchmark and you will see what I am talking about.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
framerate is only a very small portion of the test..

Graphics, processor speed, I/o read and write...

There is a lot. It is a general test of all major phone functions...
[XPERIA X10 General] Defallen:
Maybe we can stress SE to roll out an update for security reason? These few days, malware, backdoors and trojans in official market place became hot topic.

And quote from CNET :

Reports: Google yanks infected Android apps

Chances might be slim, but worth a try? :D The problem is I have no idea who should I talk to regarding this. I did open a discussion topic in Official x10 community forum, but what are the chances that they will read and reply.
[XPERIA X10 General] 1Learning:
Exactly what I was talking about with regards to updates for security reasons. Security vs. SE UX....security wins (at least for me).

For me, as a rough analogy, Android 3.0 is like Windows 7, a "new" operating system. So it is understandable if we don't ever get Android 3.0 on the X10 (would like it eventually but right now it is for tablets only anyway so by the time it is good for phones, might be on a new phone anyway).

But Android 2.2, 2.3 is like Windows XP with the Service Packs - MS provided the incremental updates then the huge updates for security purposes (among other purposes). Thus while 2.2 and 2.3 provide lots of new features and security upgrades, they are not "major" updates like a jump from 2 to 3 but incremental updates thus the 2.x numbering. And it is important to provide update to prevent exploits

Maybe this will get them going for another official update?

My suggestion is to at least write to SE directly - at their website they have the email address and physical address. Write to both if you can. It'll at least get you a case number which is logged into their system. Having the case number is important as it makes it official. If enough people do this, they may realize that it is a concern and do something about it. If enough people bring up this issue - that there are security exploits in the non-updated OS, maybe they'll do something officially to at least plug the exploit.

Forgot to mention - their website also has an Xperia forum for X10 and the other members of the Xperia family, can post there too if you want.
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
Very good idea, but remember, as long as you keep it formal and professional you'll get a chance to be heard. In the end nobody likes to hear someone who disrespects or insults them...
[XPERIA X10 General] Defallen:
I did open a discussion http://talk.sonyericsson.com/thread/13260?tstart=0

Being nice, yes, but it's not formal and might be unclear due to my English level. It would be nice if any of our community members here can help out in spreading the words to SE dev or mod; In a nice and polite way of course.

Do send a link if you did. Million thanks!
[XPERIA X10 General] 1Learning:
Formal in this instance is simply no cursing and other foul language - things like that. You're a customer, this isn't a business meeting - and customers vary so a certain leeway in language skills is certainly expected. Saying that, observing as many of the business etiquettes as one can certainly won't hurt. Business etiquette is different from language skills - it is things like saying thank you, dear sir/madam...

It can be as simple as stating what the problem is (the security exploit and that there has already been a patch for it - updating the Android OS), what you would like to see happen (the exploit being patched somehow), and that you would welcome a response from them explaining what they will do about it. Simple, direct, yet polite.
[XPERIA X10 General] xnewser:
Have just saw your SE discussion and it is fine and very understandable unfortunately Se personnel is avoiding to enter and give an answer just because they haven't at all but yes they have saw the discussion. Why not push this issue on Google giant.. Google has the power to make SE believe in upgrades !
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Being polite won't help if SE don't care. Like mexican politics, they pretend to listen but they really don't and they do what they want without caring about ppl :D

Just for the records, I've installed Windows 7 in a PC that "offcially" can't run it, that PC was bought in 2006 with a pre-installed Windows XP version. I used a 'lite' Windows 7 version and the computer runs it OK, with no problems (lite means: removed unecessary features, Windows Media Center, etc). I can't activate Aero due the lack of a good videocard but everything else works just fine (anyway, Aero just slows down the system and eats more RAM).

I did that for two reasons: 1. I wanted to try Win7 and 2. I had a nasty virus in Windows XP wich I couldn't remove, and it was affecting explorer.exe seriously, even with the newest M$ security patches. But the same virus was ineffective in Windows 7 and I didn't even update it. Personally, Im a Linux fan but I must recognize Windows 7 isn't that bad at all (however, Debian is infinitely superior like Android compared with Windows mobile or iOS :D )

So yes, security matters. Of course is a rough analogy because we can't compare the structure of a PC with a smartphone's. The point is: Upgrading is necessary, and sometimes little patches are useless, it is better to have a totally new system to make the device more secure.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Only problem with the Windows analogy is that Windows didn't upgrade everyone from XP to Windows 7 for free. You have to go buy it for hundreds of dollars, or get a pirated version.
[XPERIA X10 General] mynamesteve:
Guys seriously its Sony. The same guys who took away your ability to run Linux on your ps3. The same guys who want you to buy the new PlayStation phone, you know, the guys that **** all over there customers... this thread is lol
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Exactly, because Windows is property of M$.

Android isn't SE's property.
[XPERIA X10 General] theskeptic:
But Microsoft has (or will have) supported XP for 13 years, for free. They didn't just release SP1 then tell everyone to get stuffed did they? No.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
His analogy was of xp service packs though (2.1 to 2.2 to 2.3), not xp to win7 (his analogy explicitly said that would be more the leap from 2.3 to 3.0).....

It made perfect sense imo
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
SE is still supporting 2.1. Besides, isn't it Google who should be supporting 2.1? Wouldn't it be similar to expecting HP, or whatever brand of computer you have, to provide updates for your M$ OS? After all, the problem is with Android, not SE customizations. If security issues arise within 2 years minimum, I agree with the earlier post that Google is the one who should be responsible to both us and SE. Even if that means Google pay for 2.2+ development for the X10.

I'm not a developer, so let me ask... has Google been continuing to develop Eclair in any of the little 2.1 updates we have been getting from SE? If not, Google is the one who abandoned Eclair after about a year, and Google is the one pushing out major upgrades that don't work with their previous versions, eventually making our devices obsolete.

Why aren't we upset with Google for not making 2.1 upgradeable to 2.2, or why they don't implement some of the improvements into 2.1? Why should the phone companies have to redo all of their development every time Android makes some significant improvements and decides to make it a whole different version? When I think of it this way, I have to say Google is just as much to blame. After all, it's Google who sold SE on 2.1 knowing that their devices, HTC, would be getting ready to run 2.3.
[XPERIA X10 General] compumasta:
I agree. Why is 2.1 so very different from 2.2? I understand a big leap from a major generation to the next but the incremental steps in between shouldn't take huge amounts of effort to implement. Also, no phone company should be able to fully customize and require that users use their style and theme implementations. Regular updates from Google should be standard and if a company wants to ship a custom version then they can. But everyone is entitled to vanilla at least.

Sent from my Delorean using a flux capacitor!
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Why would you immediately sell your x10 for the arc. Sony might do the same thing they did to our phone. Or the phone could have issues. Along with that there wont be a big android developement community for a while
[XPERIA X10 General] theskeptic:
Wouldn't be so much of an issue if Sony hadn't locked down the bootloader. Google has updated Android, but it's Sony who's preventing us from applying those updates not Google. To follow your analogy, it would be like HP selling computers with standard user accounts, a locked administrator account and some group policy applied that prevented users from receiving updates from Microsoft. To most, that sort of behavior would be totally unacceptable.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
First part: Google isn't telling them to open the bootloader either though. They have just as much to gain by limiting the life of devices as well. If Google was really about free open source, they would have one continually improving Android version, yet they release version after version fueling the demand for new devices. As each new dessert is brought to the table another one is thrown in the trash.

Second: Agreed, but by that way of thinking shouldn't every Android be running 2.3? If that's what Google intended by free open source, wouldn't Google have made it a condition of using their OS? Like I said, Google has its hands in this too, and they have enough influence if they really felt we were being robbed by SE.
[XPERIA X10 General] Maximus Rockstar:
well heres something that may sway your thinking. 4 - 5 years ago you would never have expected a mobile phone to get an update and simply bought a phone soley for it features as a fone. this whole argument about upgrades to 2.2 and all that bs, SE have new products coming out of course their not gunna support X10 anymore. when you buy a car do you expect it to get an update? NO you pick your features some better then others. same goes for fones. you picked an x10 don't like the lack of updates? they dont care they got your money and you'll go buy the next one that comes along. how long are you expecting on keeping a fone? usual fone has a shelf life of roughly 12 - 18 months. you don't like the features on an x10? you made the wrong choice.
[XPERIA X10 General] kanchigo:
:pU're right.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
They weren't smartphones though, and didn't require os upgrades, you're comparing apples to oranges.

Also support for two years wasn't promised then....
[XPERIA X10 General] theskeptic:
No. Google is still supporting Android by releasing updated versions that just happen to have a newer version number. These versions do not equate to a new operating system version but an improvement of an existing operating system. That being the case, Google is doing what they should be doing as a developer.

Google is addressing these issues but it is SE that is not implimenting the fixes by refusing to provide the updated Android version that includes them while also refusing the end user the ability to impliment them themselves. It is not Googles responsability to ensure that SE release these updates just as it is not Microsoft's responsability to ensure OEMs apply Microsoft's updates. If an OEM restricted the ability of users to perform updates they would get hammered. The X10 will run Android 2.2/2.3 just fine without SEs bloatware, so yes the problem is infact (at least in part) SEs propriarary bloatware which has nothing what so ever to do with Google.

2.2 is the upgrade/improvement to 2.1, you don't seem to understand this basic point.

Because it is their duty to provide support till the product is at the end of its life cycle.

And it is SE who is lying to their customers by telling them that their devices won't run 2.3 when we all know they will. They just don't want to provide us with an update to 2.3 because they would prefer that they sell newer units with the newer firmware. It's no different than a shady backstreet dealer trying to flog you a new pc to run Windows 7 when your year old machine is more than within spec.
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
first of all, SE didn't say it won't run, they said it won't run as good as the 2.1, in other words there will be many bugs and need many optimization .

And 2.2 is not an update to 2.1, it's an upgrade, xp to windows vista.

2.2.1 to 2.2.2, 2.2.3 is an update for 2.2 similar with Xp and sp1 o2 or whatever. Google stopped supporting 2.1 when 2.2 was released

Look at 2.3, they already planned to release an update for it, which is 2.3.3

So yes, Google should solve the security issues with 2.1

If 2.2 is really an update for 2.1 then it won't require many optimization and fixes. But it does need that for all companies
[XPERIA X10 General] j.anderson618:
I deleted it using android mate.. I deleted all the stock apps you gotta do it in the file manager part though.. I deleted init.rc too and init and the loops ***-replaced with own-*** and. Even the home launcher (thank god i had adw) my phones runnin faster than ever, scored 1524 with antutu with 1.6

Edit replaced with my cpus boot.ini and named it init.rc before I sent it

Microsoft apps always come up in the market now
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
Google gave no time to OEM to develop..they should never have came out with 2.2 but directly to 2.3 after 2.1.
[XPERIA X10 General] j.anderson618:
But since I oced it.. it puts out electricity.. it shocks me all the time but damn its fast and stays below 36°C It also stole all my computer files and compressed 798,656 files onto my sd probably more but I killed astro once it took up 100% of my cpu loading the details now I get the black screen of death, Error loading windows, please insert system disc and press enter.. still can't fix it anyone know how to fix the shocks?
[XPERIA X10 General] theskeptic:
Semantics.

Sorry but you are wrong. Every single version of the Android operating system has been considered an update, not an upgrade.

"Android has seen a number of updates since its original release. These updates to the base operating system typically fix bugs and add new features. Generally each new version of the Android operating system is developed under a code name based on a dessert item" -wikipedia

Still not getting the basics right. Google has addressed these issues in the Android operating system with the aforementioned updates. It is SE who is not allowing their application to our devices. Rhetoric about optimisation is nothing more than a feeble excuse and equates to laziness.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
People desperately want to exonerate sony from any possible wrongdoing...

I don't get it.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I myself am not trying to exonerate SE. Merely, trying to make the point that Google is the who controls Android, not SE. Sort of the cart before the horse. If they wanted continual updates they would have designed Android and instructed its users, the phone companies, to make their customizations backwards compatible. Otherwise, why give them sequential names and market them as individuals? SE didn't design Android this way. Google did. SE is probably asking Google, why did you develop and market this "free open source continually developing" OS and then release updates every few months that are in fact new versions? Google is making its users, the phone companies, go back to the drawing board and re-engineer their customizations every six months. It is ridiculous, in this day and age, that the user(phone companies) should redevelop their devices every six months. I'm sure that is not what SE signed up for. I know we aren't happy with it either.

Proof is in the fact that Android is making huge changes to avoid all this extra work for the phone companies in the future. It was a design flaw by Google. Could SE have avoided this and brought us the sweet customizations? Android is a work in progress, so some of the blame is on Google.

Why not one continually improving Android version, if Google really intended for all devices to be running the current update? Unlocking the bootloader won't change a thing, because 90% don't hack their phones.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
SE is the one's who are making the profit, not google, and are the ones who chose to skin it so heavily....

You still are blaming google (who make no profit off of the os itself) for SE choosing to change android to the max, then deciding not to further support it.
[XPERIA X10 General] lft4ded:
And Google replies "Timescape, Mediascape? Really?" :P

SE could've released the X10 with plain Android and sold MS, TS separately on the market if they were such great features. Remember, we have to use Barnacle, PDAnet, etc because SE removed those features. Rikard S. said that SE learned their lesson because *SE* over-engineered their Android customizations, making it difficult for them to implement new Android versions.

Like AT&T removed the C905's WiFi software to push more expensive WiFi capable models, companies are often more interested in their bottom line than in consumer welfare.
[XPERIA X10 General] hierarchy666:
After reading that article makes me angry. Very pissed. Regret being an X10i owner or better yet owing any SE phones.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
You are sorely mistaken, and obviously hypnotized by creative marketing. Free open source doesn't apply to commercial use in the way you are thinking. Free changes the moment you plan on re-selling it for a profit. Also, "anyone can use" it means it is not proprietary like Apple and its OS for the iPhone. Someone has to pay for all this. Third party advertising pays for a lot of it, but SE most certainly pays licensing fees since they are selling it. Thanks to the different dessert versions they probably pay a licensing fee for each version. Google is no fool.

Google is not a charity. Google does very well where profits are concerned, and Android is a profit center for Google. Google is a corporation, who's main responsibility is to earn profits for its shareholders. Every dollar they spend and endeavor they begin starts with a feasibility study where the bottom line (profits) is the determining factor. Heads would be rolling and job openings would be posted if everyone else was making money off Android but the company that developed it.

If Google updates worked with or around the phone companies' customizations, like they should have done and will be done in the future, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't see this as a malicious act by SE or Google. Android was not ready to be farmed out and customized. The proof is in the changes Google is making. If not I bet some of the phone companies would go to something else that doesn't make them re-invent the wheel for every update.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Why should google be responsible for a company choosing to change around their product, and then not support THEIR OWN CHANGES.

It doesn't make any sense, obviously you are beating around the bush and doing anything possible to wipe the sins from sony's hands for some reason...

Htc is just as heavily (if not more) heavily skinned than SE phones, and yet they are managing to keep up with updates... I wonder why?

Placing blame on google is ridiculous if someone buys a car from a dealership that customizes the car, adding parts of their own, and the dealership decides to stop supporting it in any way (when the parts can only come from them), is it the car company's fault the dealer customized it and changed it around?

That line of thinking is absurd imo
[XPERIA X10 General] lft4ded:
This is why the X10 is being neglected at this point. This is an article from March 2010. SE spent > 6 months over-customizing Android. SE spent so much time changing Android, including removing basic parts of it like built-in tethering, instead of paying attention to the times that other phones were coming out with 2.1 when SE was still playing with 1.6.

And despite other manufacturers customizations they were still managing to update their phones. The common thread in all of this is that *other manufacturers* were updating their phones. Nowhere, except here apparently, is anyone blaming Google for not updating phones that others customize and sell.

Heck, when they were preparing to roll out the X10's 2.1 last November they already had 2.3 on the Arc's/ANZU. They had known hardware and still left us out in the cold.

Again, more of SE's proprietary changes that Google should be expected to deal with? And here we're adamantly told that SE thinks that our 2.1 is better than 2.2, and by extension 2.3.

You wanted the SE Xperience? You got it.

And for the final nail:
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
First thing you keep failing to acknowledge is that Google worked with SE in the development of the 2.1 update. Google should have designed Android to allow the compatibility of the customizations for its users, SE and Samsung. Instead they created new versions that require the users to redevelop their customizations. Do you get that SE is Google's customer? Google knew this was going to be a problem, but did nothing about it leaving it SE's problem. Google wants as many devices running Android as possible, so shouldn't they be making it customization friendly? Your answer better be yes, or you are being hypocritical.

Who do you think told SE that they could customize Android? Who do you think SE turns to for support, training, advice and direction? Who do you think knows the limitations? Who do you think knows the direction Android is going with future updates? GOOGLE not SE. Just like you are upset with SE for not supporting us, it looks like Google didn't do very well at providing SE with quality support and direction. However, in Google's defense, they are making changes in Android so they can better support the phone companies in the future. Hmmm

Maybe just maybe, SE isn't a diabolical villain, and this is all no one's fault. Maybe it's just the result of unforseen compatibility issues in the infant stages of a new technology with multiple variables and inputs.

Why is HTC doing better? Because they are part of the same company. I guess you did not know, Google owns Android and HTC.

Edit: My bad. Google uses HTC to manufacturer their phones.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Isn't the point about Google releasing updates at such a blistering pace blaming Google? It does to me. Google releasing updates too fast is the "cause", and SE's decision not to redevelop the X10 every 6 months is the effect. Some people say then everyone should go generic Android. BORING BLAH