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[Xoom General] crushsuitandtie:
i am using my bt keyboard on the xoom. honeycomb is quite e finished product in terms of its normal use. ive not had one freeze or rrreboot. i had one force close becasue i tried to run a rdp/vnc app. it force closed and i move to next app which did work for controlling my pc. you have people on here either talking without owning the product or loading things not designed or updated for this hardware OR software. such as flashlight apps, launchers, etc. ive used all the apps designed for tablets in the market and ive had no issues. ive played the couple of free games (which performed quite well) and used things as simple as the weather app. smooth sailing. i WOULD like to see more apps (like dish networks sling app) but thats not moto or googles fault.

the bugs ive read about in most topics dont happen to me. im gonna be testing the 720 rip playback later as i havent moved much media to mine yet.
[Xoom General] atoy74:
Hey, I was first in line at my South Fla Costco...lol. You must have gone to Flagler.

I've had a few FC's but I'll admit they were mainly on the first day. Since then I've been good.
[Xoom General] muyoso:
The iPhone4 was a design decision. Had they waited 3 more months it still would have had that same problem.

The iPad had over a thousand third party apps at launch, what are you talking about?

And Android isn't going to compete in the tablet world by releasing beta tablets with buggy software. A normal user would have returned the Xoom after seeing 7 apps at launch, no flash at launch, non functional SD card slot, buggy OS and apps force closing. If normal users see this as their first impression of a Google tablet, that will stick with them for a while. The "early adopter" nonsense is absolutely the worst argument that anyone could make.
[Xoom General] keitht:
I went to Pompano Beach Costco. The Verizon guy there gave me trouble with the activation thing. I had to keep pushing him to call more people. Each person he called at Verizon didn't know about the change that activation is not required. Hopefully I helped anyone that came after me :)
[Xoom General] JanetPanic:
I had two freezes while playing cordy. There was an update for it yesterday that seems to have fixed it. Other than that I have not had any stability issues, just some minor graphical issues.

As far as Apple stability goes am I the only one old enough to remember the axiom "never buy a first Gen apple product."? Apple is somewhat notorious for problems with first Gen products.
[Xoom General] Eclair~:
I'm glad you knew this, I was starting to think I had no argument.
[Xoom General] keitht:
I think you can say the same with most companies that release version 1 products.
[Xoom General] parrotheadmjb:
Obviously they could have waited, its about supply and demand. The demand was there, so they got it out as fast as they could in working order. It has its problems, software problems, I love it it and didnt want to wait a day longer. They know what they're doing, google isn't Microsoft lol. It works, we want it, were willing to sacrifice a little functionality to be able to have it now, we love it , if you don't like the problems then thats your problem dont cry about i, either don't get one or wait to get one, everyone who bought it knew for the most part what types of problems we might come across, nobody is making you buy it nor keep it! You have no right to speculate on why they should or should not have released it like this, only the right to not buy or use it :)
[Xoom General] aohus:
sorry but a user has every right to gripe about the limitations of the product they purchased.

Google has a history of releasing buggy products, and improving them over time. its just how they do it. (a la google tv, nexus one launch, etc) does that make them a bad company? no. but to a mainstream (non techie) user who uses the product as is, the xoom out of the box is somewhat of a disappointment because of some basic feature limitations at launch. (no software sd support, no flash support, lack of proper video encoding support, which is a surprise as Google is normally great with cross compatibility). I personally feel that the Xoom launch was rushed in order to get as many early adopter sales before the iPad2 hits. I'm verrry sure that had the xoom been released the same time as iPad2 launch date, xoom sales numbers would be much lower.

i was an avid iPad user (gave it away), and currently awaiting for the xoom to arrive in the mail. i'm looking forward to using it.
[Xoom General] colbyb25:
What you are totally missing is the fact that the majority of apps look and work just fine. None of this "2x" bull crap that apple did with there tablet launch. I ask, did you purchase an Ipad when it first came out? Do you own a Xoom? If no to one or both counts, you lose some credibility with your argument.

No one is giving Motorola or Google a pass, but there is some kind of understanding with new gear. That is not an excuse, but something to take into account. I personally love xoom, both for what is and what it can and will be. You want a completely bug free and flawless piece of equipment, make it yourself. If you have ever ran your own company, you would know that every prouduct and system goes through some level of growing pains.

Too many people think the xoom is supposed to magically outsell the I pad...which will never happen. Apple, if nothing else has done an AMAZING job at marketing and creating demand for their sometimes sub par, at least technologcally, products. That being said, android is picking up steam and offering a solid competition to the ios system. Does it still have a ways to go...sure. But it is heading that way and things are only going to get better from here.
[Xoom General] parrotheadmjb:
You just contradicted yourself, you said

1. They have the right to complain about the product being released too early

2. Google has a history of releasing buggy products

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They have no right to complain, they knew in advance or they don't possess the ability to think

Also, you can just return it.... but no *****ing about the obvious is a better idea
[Xoom General] SilverHedgehog:
Well, the no software argument is pointless, you'll have to wait here. Phone Android didn't start with that much apps either, same for iPhone, Windows, any OS.
[Xoom General] colbyb25:
If you think that the casual apple user knows or cares about SD cards, flash or any other more technological pieces then you are giving them way more credit then I do. Those "techie" people that are with android because they like to customize their products understand the benefits of an open operating systems and the idea of those specific tech pieces that the xoom will get soon. People like me who are willing to shell out the money for a product that will fit my needs, sooner or later and does a solid job in the meantime.
[Xoom General] muyoso:
Look, its as simple as this. Nothing related to tech succeeds unless the average user embraces it. Apple products succeed because they are simple to use and the average consumer loves them. The average consumer embraced the Droid when it released on Verizon and that is when Android sales took off.

An average user who picks up this tablet will look at the apps or lack there of and be like WTF. An average user who has an applications force quit on them after paying 800 dollars for the tablet will be furious.

That is why the Xoom is destined to be outsold by a different Android tablets made by manufacturers who get it. You don't release a product that has missing functionality that you have to later enable. You dont release a product with an OS that is not fully cooked. You don't release a tablet heavily touting its dual core monster processor that cannot play a 720P high profile video (average user wont know what high profile is, but they will see it stuttering and be like WTF).

The SDK for the iPad was released months before its launch. The SDK for honeycomb was released like 30 hours before the Xoom launch. Motorola should have waited until the OS was fully baked and until there were a good amount of apps ready to go. Its what the other manufacturers are doing, and they will reap the rewards. Xoom is like a sacrificial lamb now in a way. It will push the development of tablet apps for Honeycomb, while at the same time be labeled by the general public as buggy (that is unless they fix some of these issues FAST).

I have been waiting for 8 months now to sell my iPad so that I could get an Android tablet. I seriously thought the Xoom was the one. For various hardware related reasons I am no longer interested in the Xoom unless they completely change the wifi model, which they won't. I hope they can get Tegra 2 and Honeycomb figured out before hardware that does impress me comes along.
[Xoom General] keitht:
Never say never. People said the same thing about Android phones vs iPhone. And look where we are now.
[Xoom General] colbyb25:
True, but then you are talking about Android (on multiple phones) vs the iPhone ( just a few phones). It is different when you compare individual products against apples loyal following that purchase their products year after year after year.
[Xoom General] colbyb25:
@muyoso

Well then wait. Other devices won't be google devices and you will have to wait for updates. Everything has a trade off. I personally don't mind that it is out and isn't complete. I hate CES for the reason that I have to wait 6 months for any of the cool gadgets.

I have a xoom and so does my wife and we love them. As I said before, it is only going to get better and my xoom is 10x the pair of ipads we had last year (and sold a month after purchasing). I have had very few force closes and 90% of the apps i use on a daily basis with my Droid X running liberty 1.5 work just fine and look good on the xoom....whether they are tablet made or not. I again state that android apps are not apple apps. You don't have the 2x crap like you did and do with apple apps that aren't built for the ipad. Aside from the use of extra screen space, they look clean, clear and crisp.
[Xoom General] jkurl:
I have had one FC and one that wouldn't work at all so far. Logmein worked for a bit and now FC not a problem as I use pocket cloud. The one that didn't work is sound hound. Not a big deal as I have it on my phone.
[Xoom General] :
you gotta love how the people saying the zoom is poor quality are the users who don't even own one yet!! Myself and every other xoom User I've encountered have been extremely happy with it. Engadget reviews do not count as first hand experience!!

Spend a day with it, then you can come back here and talk trash on it.
[Xoom General] parrotheadmjb:
You're confusing yourself with the average person. The average person is like a sheep, they'll flock to whatever is the best, doesn't matter if the Xoom is ****ty today (which it definitely isn't), if its the best damn tablet in the month theres not a single person in the world thats gonna sit there and and not buy it because the SDK was released 30 hours before launch. Yes honeycomb is buggy, but did you ever use an original iPod Touch or an early iPhone??? Don't tell me there weren't major problems in the software. Not to mention apple shipped over 20,000 iPod Touches with bad LCD Screens, or what about the the bad antenna.. maybe apple should have waited until that problem was fixed before shipping millions of iPhones. Motorola had the hardware in place with a functional OS, which will be fully functional very soon. Nobody really cares, it might be labeled as buggy, but mark my words in 3 months they'll all be fixed and nobody will remember. Its not a sacrificial lamb, you're over speculating about a dynamic market and predicting failure over software we all know Google is very capable of correcting. You want them to be like Microsoft and release 3-4 major versions per decade? :/
[Xoom General] muyoso:
Just like people bought Vista in droves after Microsoft patched the bugs right? Things get reputations very quickly these days. If something is buggy, the "sheep" as you call them will label it buggy even if a month later its fixed completely. Vista is forever stereotyped as a horrible OS, even though it wasn't. The average person isn't reading a tech blog daily. If their first interaction with a device or piece of software is negative, it taints their perception of the device or software forever. No one is saying that other companies dont have problems too. All I am saying is that I think it was a horrible move by Motorola releasing something that wasn't finished.
[Xoom General] feron:
man.. getting a little heated for no real particular reason.

The Xoom i the first HC tablet, been out for a handful of days.

Whomever it was in the thread that said ipad had thousands of apps at the start is a flat out liar. it had just about the same as android does atm.

It picked up very quickly though, this remains to be seen for adroid.. but they've been trickling in since thursday, time will be the tell.

As far as the OS, well, I've been using it constantly since I picked my Xoom up at 10am on thursday.

The OS.. pretty much rock solid really.. it's a simple device/OS, it does what it does and it does it well an snappily.

Using apps not meant for the OS has pretty much the expected result, about a 50% failure rate. Not really a surprise to me.

As for the..sheep.. they can pick one of these up, use the preloaded apps, download apps from the market sanctioned as tab apps, surf, read email, manage work documents, music, video and a fair amount more OUT OF THE BOX.

So if someone feels like exploring the new thing, I doubt they will be as put off as some of the vocal minority around here seem to think.

Honestly, from what I've read some people either need to get out more, get laid or both.
[Xoom General] mystkrh:
I dont care about any iphone, ipad, ios vers google and android. I dont know much about apple products, I know the people that use them like it, and thats fine with me. I just never got into them. I however love google, android, my evo, and mostly my xoom. I dont get all this comparing crap its not apples to apples (no pun intended).

I want a product that I can hack/mod, thats the kinda person I am, open source is even better. I have had a few force close apps oddly enough the market was the first one lol, but then i looked and bam well look here an update to the market, no problem with that since.

As far as the software goes I really dont give a **** about what moto gave us, because in the end its what the people here on XDA will give us that I will end up using 24x7. I just thank moto for giving us a good tablet that we can work with and not locking it down like some of thier other products.

I like to think of it this way..... I'de take an Ipad over a stock Viewsonic Gtablet, put aftermarket rom on that Gtablet and now I'de never think about the Ipad, but most of all I'de take the xoom stock anyday over anything else on the market atm.
[Xoom General] DarkDvr:
When you release a tablet with 256MB ram, NO cameras, a cellphone OS and locked up to protect against any kind of modification or hacking... yes, its easy to release a product that works from the get go.

You know what else works right off the bat? Calculators and toothbrushes. Actually, even the latter ones need to getting used to.
[Xoom General] muyoso:
That was me. You are an idiot. At least research something before you call someone a liar.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/02/AR2010040202244.html

iPad launch: over 2000 apps the day before

Xoom launch: 7 apps the day of and 16 3 days later.
[Xoom General] knut150:
Agreed, I am happy with it, (as happy as when I walked around with my G1 :cool:), still to test the video thing but again we all are used to convert? My only big, big complaint is the pin of the charger…that thing is going to brake!! As for the OS no problems here, just getting acquainted
[Xoom General] wwwhershcom:
Did you not realize you can download apps from the whole android Market? Just because an app was not made specifically for the table doesn't mean it won't work well.
[Xoom General] colbyb25:
I again ask, did you purchase an I pad when I it first came out? Because I did and so did my wife and the precious apps you talk about were 95% crap. Numbers don't mean anything if you don't have quality.

So far the android tablet games rock. So do the news apps like CNN and USA Today. Quality over quantity man. Sure I want more but all 16 of those xoom tablet apps are well thought out, run like butter and showcase what is possible in the near future. You would of rather the xoom be released this summer? So be it, but you are obviously the tiny minority in these circles. We get it, you don't own a xoom. Let the rest of us enjoy our new gadget and get excited about the possibilities of what is to come. Many other tablets coming out this year won't be able to say the same thing...being an unlocked google device that is.
[Xoom General] mormegil83:
WOOT!!! Mine should be here in a day or two!!! The nay sayers seem to give the "sheep" too much credit in my opinion. The people who know what this tablet is lacking at launch, KNOW WHAT IT IS LACKING, KNOW THAT IT WILL BE HERE SHORTLY, and most importantly KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GETTING THEMSELVES INTO. The people that would have a problem with that sort of thing, probably won't even know what's missing to begin with. They will just use for email, browser, and some of the more mainstream apps, which seem to work fine by most accounts.

If you are informed enough to know what's lacking, have a problem with it and buy it anyway... that's your problem...
[Xoom General] colbyb25:
Agreed!
[Xoom General] Rich W:
While I was at VZ getting something for my Droid X ( got the Xoom on Thurs.) there were several people there looking at the Xoom who are moving from the iPad. Most of them had android phones and wanted the compatibility of the apps, gmail..... This is what drove the iPad market people with iPhones and it will drive the android pad market.

No the Xoom isn't perfect, but it will get there and there will be other manufacturers, if you happen to be an HTC fanboy or some other manufacturer yours will be coming, unlike the apple products.
[Xoom General] colbyb25:
Xoom was also just shown to be running stable with 1.5 ghz overclock. That equals a quadrant score of 2800 and 48 mflops. Reason 2000 why I love this device!
[Xoom General] youngproguru:
Absolutely! This device is awesome and will be fun for quite a while. It is the gift that will keep on giving. Ask anyone who has a Droid 1 still rocking, with Gingerbread.

For anyone who is thinking about returning there Xoom, please do. You simply dont get it, and my guess is that you will not anytime soon.

Every new Android Device I have owned and currently support (at work) (Droid 1, 2s Pro, Evo's, X's) and my current personal HTC Incredible (which I think is the best Android phone, and is a steal right now) all had a hard start in XDA IN the beginning numerous post trashed everything about the units and software. Questions like, When will it be rooted? Unlocked Bootloader? Where are the Custom ROMs? Where is 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 ect, ect

The Incredible had a very hard start. We had a long wait for root and then access to the boot loaded. But, when it came, and it did, the results were amazing.

Many devices still are so locked down, that the dev community has given up. Droid X, Pro and 2 cannot run custom roms, and if you do mess with root, you could really brick it, for good. So, those devices are limited.

However, with the HTC Incredible, after Unrevoked streamlined the bootloader unlock, and others root, we run CM7 Gingerbread on the Incredible, and it is outstanding.

But the Xoom? It came unlock-able, it was rooted in hours of the release. It was sold with Google Vanilla Android. No Blur, No Sense (only on HTC) no weird mods, and NO Bloatware! It comes on VERIZON!

And Moto has asked for the Developers to Develop! The Xoom is a perfect storm. Its a gift from the Tablet Gods. This device will be the Developers tablet of Choice. We just need to wait.

So, if you would like to take it back, go for it. Hopefully someone who will appreciate this device will be able to pick your mistake up at a bargain refurbish price.
[Xoom General] hippityhop:
Xoom is definitely for developers at this point. I hack android apps for

a living and love the platform. Got xoom on pre order. Nice hardware, honeycomb still pretty beta. Browser slows to a crawl on xda forums even!

Lots of force closes and often pretty laggy.

Ipad also has stability issues.

Will improve with updates but certainly was rushed and people saying it's rock solid are smoking crack. As a consumer I'd wait a couple of months for price to drop, more tabs to come out and software to mature.

Excited for this to be in developer hands though - awesome apps are coming!
[Xoom General] meta96:
... xoom status now, its quite ok for the beginning

most of xoom haters* dont own a xoom, are apple fanboys or just aapl share holderes. So dont react the same. xoom is a well build device with some software glitches, that will be sorted in the near future (google, moto or xda, dont care).

... so keep cool, chill and react in a polite way, be nice let the xoom community grow as a positive nice and sexy community

... xoom!

*) flash, mp4 high profile, power button, number of apps, netflix, charging ... always the same targets ... and for all there are answers
[Xoom General] DarkDvr:
what he said. Don't give in to trolls :-D
[Xoom General] gogol:
From what I see and read, Xoom is nice but it should not be released like this.

It is not finished yet (the LTE, the micro SD card slot, the Flash 10.2, the occasional crashes on Google apps/browser, etc.).

Really, this thing is not ready to be released for mass general public consumption.

I know, Moto might want this to steal early start on Android tablet. But, I think that is not a good decision.

I hope this will be sorted out when the Xoom is released here in Europe:

- Working microSD card slot

- Flash 10.2

- Honeycomb 3.1?

- Missing video codecs added?

:)
[Xoom General] galtom:
Yes... 2012 + coming free to Xoom 2 with Quad Tegra inside.

On the lighter note ;-)

Since Galaxy Tab (the First) has no problem with the demanding task of decoding high profile videos... imagine what Xoom could do if it would had two chips like that inside :-)
[Xoom General] gogol:
What I am afraid is that Galaxy Tab capability is Samsung own code utilizing the Hummingbird GPU.

Which I don't think it will make into the Honeycomb.

As you can see all Honeycomb tablets right now have the same Tegra 2 platform and the same no customization OS.

This is good, but the drawback is things like this. if Google does not want to invest for codecs licensing, then we are screwed.

Let see what the upcoming iPad 2 bring to the competition. If it is good, then for sure it will drive the Android tablets to move forward.
[Xoom General] jkurl:
Sure it is a little buggy but here is what you are forgetting. The people at google and Motorola see this device and software everyday. The first release is not always going to be perfect at first. W/ product demand the consumers force companies alot of time to get stuff out in a rush. Take the thunderbolt for example.

Seeing this os everyday it is easy to miss the little stuff. I am not talking about sd card, flash and 4g. Sure somethings can be tighten up a little but the is a huge upside to this tab. It is a google experience tablet. We get the updates straight from the man. Like someone said if you don't like it return it so someone else can use it. This thing has already been rooted and OC. Koush has CWM ready for it just waiting for the sd card. Sit back relax and enjoy the ride.
[Xoom General] xlGmanlx:
how did this even get to android vs apple? leave it alone already...you don't have to hate one to like the other. What matters for me is the hardware is pretty darn sweet, so all that we have now is to tighten up the software which based on google they have been pretty good about updating their software and the aftermarket community which will take that and improve upon it, it hasn't even been out for a week yet!