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[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
I think I might end up taking terminal emulator off, or

at least

making note of its importance, Diablo. Thanks for staying on top of things.

Ultimately, I'm finding there's a thin line between freezing things that are unnecessary to some, but necessary to others (ADB functionality among these grey area elements).

I will at least make a note of it.

At this point, I'm also unsure what to do regarding the Social Messaging Service. I hear you saying that it killed your Gmail/email autosync, and I don't mean to discount your claim, but I'm hearing others saying that their autosync is working just fine. Please keep me updated as to whether or not it seems to be a problem.

Diablo009 couldn't have said it better:

Ultimately, it's up to you. I can't comment on whether or not your method is as safe as the Freezing Method, but I'd say that buying TiBU pro is a very good idea for much more than just this thread. It makes app restoration and a lot of other things an absolute breeze. Up to you, though.

Thank you for thanking me! Please also realize that I am really just compiling information. A lot of the real work/knowledge was a product of many others. I truly appreciate your gratitude, though. Thank you.

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I will be looking to update the list soon

, either tonight or tomorrow night (at the latest). If you have recently posted elements you believe are safe or unsafe, all I'd ask is that, if you're able (and it's not too much trouble), you simply pop in and post saying that everything is still working fine for you.

If you seem to be running in to problems, let me know so that I can pull only what seems safe.

At the same time, if you see something potentially dangerous if frozen, please post as well!! I don't want any more bad Home freezes, so to speak!

Ultimately, my goal is to compile a list of things that are indeed confirmed to be safe if frozen! Even though nobody can be held responsible for any damages, I'd still feel horrible if I designated something as safe when it was not and ended up damaging somebody's phone!

Also, thanks to all who have contributed so far! I've also seen a number of you answer questions and really being on top of things, and I really appreciate it as sometimes I'm busy with classes or the like. Thank you all.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] diablo009:
My point exactly. I think letting a service run wouldn't really take up more than a couple MB of RAM. If a person wants, he could disable it later. How abt move this from 'safe' list to 'optional'. This way only people who have the patience would go to the optional list, while we could have only 100% known safe apps in the safe list. Well, this is of course my personal take on this.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
This is a fantastic idea, and one I'd love to incorporate asap.

Like I said, the line gets blurry here and there, and having an (almost) "why even have this running?" and a separate "you might want this around, but don't need it" list is a really good idea.

I will get on this when I get a decent but of spare time.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] diablo009:
Looks like my sync was messed up for today noon for some reason. I disabled the Social Messaging Service and rebooted phone. My sync is working. My apologies for the confusion I caused today noon. This is so strange I simply don't understand why it acted so weird today noon.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
No worries at all! I'm glad your sync is A-grade, and looks like social messaging service can go on this list...safely ;)

And I promise I'm going to update the OP, and into the two lists as well...soon.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mitchR@pp:
I have a noob question, regarding freezing Home 2.2.1...

I have Launcher Pro installed, but i can't find anywhere where it tells me that it is set as the default. How do i know for sure it LP is set as the default?

I just want to make sure i don't screw something up.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
tap Menu>settings>applications>Manage applications and scroll to launcher pro

Note:

Now, ultimately, your default home launcher is the one you go to once you hit the home button. If there is no default, you'll get a pop up dialog box asking you to choose between Launcher Pro, motoblur, and whatever else, with a little tick box at the bottom to set that as the default.

If you want to be sure, while you're looking in the LP page under manage apps, click "clear defaults" then tap the home button.

You should get the aforementioned dialog box, but be sure to click "Set/use as default (for this action or whatever)".

You're set.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] lesterp:
A few others that seem to be safe are based on using K-9 mail client

Gmail

Email 2.2.1

Email Engine 2.2.1 - scratch this one if you want to add calendar events which I do.

MS Exchange services 2.2.1 - don't use exchange

Don't use the fingerprint reader so

Fingerprint Sensor 2.2.1
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
I think I'll add the MS Exchange services 2.2.1, but the others seem like they might be something everybody'd want across the board.

Ultimately, I kind of want to contain the freezing to, more or less, bloat.

Thanks for the info, though!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] txtsd:
What would be very helpful is if you could give us an idea of what each element in that list does (is responsible for), because I'm sure some of us need some of the functionality of a few of the elements in that list.

This way we'd be able to freeze ONLY what we personally don't need :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
If you use fingerprint scanner fo not freeze TrueSuiteMobile.

I have also frozen with no reprocussion:

Android.feedback

Syncml.service

Extdispservice (still testing)

Photowidget

Date and time 2.2.1 (testing)

Files 2.2.1

Forest Wallpaper 1.0

Global Unplug 1.0

Mediashare 1.0.0

Messaging 2.2.1

Universal Inbox 2.2.1

I will remind those looking at my lists that my goal is to get as close to Vanilla Android as possible. So I may be more aggressive than anyone in getting items turned off. For my two cents I would prefer none of the blur items be running on the phone
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
Also DO NOT touch Email Engine 2.2.1 unless you want to shut off text, email and calendar.

Another item of note:

I shut off Motorola Services. So far no issues from my quest to eliminate MotoBlur. It turns off MotoBlur in accounts. So nice.

I also installed the compiled email.apk that was based on gingerbread and froze the email app. This gives me Vanilla Email Exchange sync. Much better sans Blur.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
+1

I'll be honest, though I'm compiling this list, I've been wondering the same thing. I was hoping Cellzealot would be able to help, but I'm not sure where he is right now.

I'll say, though, that the added descriptions would be ideal when it comes to a (more or less) complete list. I definitely agree that it'd let people trim off what they don't need while letting them keep things they might find useful (something that they might find useful/cool about Motoblur, for example).

I will keep this in mind and keep an eye out for any material or any members that could help us in this demystification endeavor.

Awesome. I'll be updating the list soon, here.

And as I've always said, snlu178, Vanilla is my goal, too. So, I'm glad to see somebody as...zealous? vigilant? Well, I'm just glad we're aiming for the same thing. Thanks for the additional frozen goods, and keep up the good work.

Noted. Thanks for being on the ball...once again.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] TJChap2840:
I would just like to reiterate what others have mentioned about how useful a more detailed list would be. I was hoping you would post a recommended list before you did, and now that you have, I am still a little weary of freezing these services/apps because I feel like they may break things I use. I am not as hardcore as some of you and still use some of the things that came with the phone as I have not found good replacements. If I knew what these services did, I'd be more willing to make my Atrix "cold".
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
Yes I believe the OP is working towards this. If you google search the Droid X forums they have done just that. Unfortunately several of these items fall into "unknown" and it takes time to freeze and test the phone as we determine if they are safe or how they relate back to operations.

I will caution, if you are depending on ANY Blur services then freezing almost any component will likely interfere. For my money everything is better without Blur since there are apps that do the job better.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dxta0:
So far at least for me I have found that freezing com.android.providers.applications 2.2.1 causes FC's when you use the google search touch button.

Also for some reason when I freeze motorola services I lose Facebook contact sync and when I defrost it Facebook contact's do not come back? I'm going to look into that and post back
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
yes this turns off all MotoBlur syncing. Especially Exchange, Facebook, MotoBlur Account. Perfect for me.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dkirchik:
I followed the recommended list, now I am stuck in a boot loop. I am going to have a looong night.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
My money is you did not have a home launcher replacement enabled first. You will likely need to do a soft launch. Check the development section for the topic.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dkirchik:
My LED light wasn't blinking red, but the blue, purple, red, green and clear (almost looked as if at the same time). I went through the power + volume - button to "USB Enumeration" then used Adeo installer to fix it. The Adeo installer went through the whole process in half a minute no reboot, but allowed the phone to boot up. I dont know why - but it fixed it.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dkirchik:
Just a question, when freezing any of the apps in TB, I should have a home replacement already enabled?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
The only way to freeze home app and not heve boot loop is to have an alternative launcher installed and set as default. That is where the boot loop came from.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dkirchik:
I never froze the home app. :/
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
Hmm...I'll be taking a closer look at the recommended list then. Obviously, the entire point of this is that it's safe, and if following these procedures resulted in a bootloop, that is not safe.

Also, yes, I've been looking around a lot recently for element descriptions/breakdowns, and will continue to do so. Thank you guys for your patience in this matter.

Also, I'm looking to compile any recent safe additions to the list.

Thank you all for your help and patience so far.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] rozzco:
Should I install apps to replace the built in connections to things such as yahoo mail and Facebook before I proceed? :confused:
[Atrix 4G Android Development] rozzco:
I had no problems adding yahoo mail and Facebook after the fact. I didn't get real aggressive with what I disabled and I really like Launcher Pro. :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dkirchik:
I was Never able to truly remove it from the boot loop. Once it would go to the home and fully start if the phone locked, it shutdown and continued in boot loop again. After trying to fully recover it I was unable too. Just got the phone replaced. Curious, but, I did Deodex before freezing apps in TB, could that be why the boot loop?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
I'm not sure, though I will ask this: was the deodexing part of Adeo? I, too, am deodexed, and haven't run into any problems, but there may be no substantial link there.

Ultimately, I don't think deodexing would cause a bootloop, as it pertains to how apps are preloaded and found by the system before they run. I don't believe that a proper deodex would result in a bootloop, but you never know. To reiterate, I'm running Adeo v0.1 [Deodexed] and have encountered no such problems.

Also, I'm really sorry you had to replace your phone.

I'm really trying to find element breakdowns to see what they affect, and will be scouring the Droid X forums, as I believe somebody mentioned they had the kind of list we're all looking for here (albeit, for the Droid X).

I'm going to put a small hold on expanding the list while I try to find these element details. I've been hearing little bits from you brave souls about small hiccups, and I'd hate to keep steamrolling through without taking the time/care to make sure this is still a safe procedure.

Thank you all so far for your patience and contributions. As well, please feel free to post any information you might find regarding what each element on the list controls.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dkirchik:
So, after going through my first Adeo backup file from my first Atrix - and after reading DG's double busybox install with SuperOneClick and stock moto... I'm 99.9% sure the reason why mine bricked was due to the double install of BusyBox. There's nothing wrong with the Lists. Just letting everyone know...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cataclysmicvoid:
I have been unable to setup Facebook contact synch (using the non-blur account). Unfortunately I don't remember if this was only after my cold root...

Maybe someone else experienced this?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dkirchik:
Did you freeze/change to.bak/delete one of the social apks?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
motorola turns off contact sync outside of MotoBlur. Still do not know how to stop that. If you turn off MotoBlur you CANNOT sync Facebook contacts.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jyar727:
I've frozen the following things w/o problems (outside the recommended list):

CarDock 1.0

com.google.android.feedback 2.2.1

Desk Home 2.2.1

DLNA 0709.69

dlnaSystemService 1.0

DockProvider 1.0

Entertainment Center 1.0

Google Search 1.1.2.64376

Home 2.2.1

Media audio Effects 2.2.1

Motorola Dock Service 1.0

Music Visualization Wallpaper 2.2.1

News & Weather 1.3.03

News 2.2.1

Phone Portal 2.2.1

Swype 2.5.45.11740

System Portal 2.2.1

TTS Service 2.2.1

Universal Inbox 2.2.1

Voice Search

Webtop Connector 1.0

I've restarted my phone multiple times and no problems.

K, Just sharing.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kpfury:
Hi, so it's NOT recommended we freeze Blur? Why not? I would think this would free up the most memory, no?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
What "blur" are you receding too? If you mean the accounts it stops synchronization which is a big issue. You can't set up google or exchange. Or is there some other?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
Thanks. Every bit of corroborating evidence helps when it comes to double checking the safety of these lists.

All

:

I'm still on the hunt for element details. I've checked on the Droid X forums and found a list similar to ours, and in the same state- they have no element breakdowns either.

If it's possible, maybe a dev could pull information from some deeper system files, or maybe details on the motoblur OS environment notes (probably straight from motorola, or similarly high up), and let us in on, basically, what does what.

Also, it's very much appreciated when people post their own lists of what they've frozen safely, even if all the things they name are already on the lists in the OP. This allows those who may be troubleshooting to narrow down what might be causing problems, and, ultimately, let the community know (as well as myself, who would promptly go change the list).

Thank you all for having patience regarding any list updates, as well as in getting app/element details. As well, a big thanks to all those who are able to help out others when I'm not around.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Vangelis13:
Noob question: if you freeze "Alarm & Timer 2.2.1" doesn't that mean that you can't set any alarms? Why would you wanna freeze that..?

Thanks for your great effort in this xyrovice!!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kandroid:
Here is what I've frozen so far with no repercussions. I have added some comments on what I have observed so far.

Some notes:

. I use Launcher Pro

. I use Gmail only for my personal and work emails

. I have setup only my google account on my phone

. Facebook and Twitter will be handled by separate apps - not linked to motoblur

Alarm & Timer 2.2.1 (will break alarm. need to have an alternate app for that)

AtCommandService 1.1

Cardock 1.0

com.motorola.android.syncml.service 2.2.1

com.motorola.photowidget 2.2.1

Contacts Sync 2.2.1 (google contacts still sync - tested this)

ContactsUnconnected 2.2.1

Email 2.2.1

Entertainment Center 1.0

Files 2.2.1

Fingerprint Sensor 2.2.1

Forest Wallpaper 1.0

Help Center

Home 2.2.1

Home Screen Tips

Mediashare 1.0.0

MediaSync 1.0.0

Mobile Desktop 1.0

Motorola Dock Service 1.0

MS Exchange services 2.2.1

News & Weather 1.3.03 (Android widget)

News 2.2.1

Purchased Media 1.0

Quick Contact 2.2.1

Quick Tutorial 0.0.1

Social Messaging 2.2.1

Social Messaging Service 2.2.1

Social Networking 2.2.1

Social Sharing 2.2.1

Social Status 2.2.1

Sticky Note 2.2.1

Task Manager 9.0

Toggle Widgets

Universal Inbox 2.2.1

VLingo

Voice Commands (breaks swype voice input? not tested)

Weather 2.2.1

Webtop Connector

@Vangelis13 : To answer your question, yes, you will not be able to set alarms if you freeze Alarm & Time. I use "Alarm Clock Plus" for my alarm needs.

One thing that I have noticed but not tested : If you freeze voice commands, the voice input option on your swype keyboard gets disabled. Google voice search and swiftkey voice commands do work without any issues.

Hope this helps!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kpfury:
Blur.res 2.2.1
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ranphi:
So I just froze Home 2.2.1 via Titanium Backup on my Atrix last night to effectively stop Motoblur from running in the background, but when I look at the list of running applications on my phone (via Settings-Applications-Manage Applications-Running) I still see any entry for "Home". It's only using 8.00KB of memory but I just wondered if other users here who have also frozen the Home 2.2.1 app see this on their phones as well?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thereal2x:
I froze my home but its not running in the background anymore. Are you sure you froze it?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xdaLurker:
Skimmed through the 8 pages of this thread and not sure I saw this mentioned. Just wanted to let others know there's another App in the market that seems to be a good alternative to freeze bloat ware that I'm using. It's not Titanium Backup and it's slightly cheaper (only a buck).

It's called Bloat Freezer if anyone is interested and I'm using it successfully.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ranphi:
Yup, I'm sure I froze it. I've triple-checked TiBackup and it shows Home 2.2.1 as frozen.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Vangelis13:
Got it, thanks!!

Anyone having any trouble with Swipepad after removing the RECOMMENDED LIST of apps? I cannot add any shortcuts to a direct dial or contact any more. Tried defrosting "Quick Contact 2.2.1" because it "sounds" related (keep in mind, am noob..), no go.

I asked dev as well, will post if any news

EDIT: it was the app, the latest update (which was right before I froze the apps) was unstable. Everything works just fine!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] WooWoo:
So do you mind telling me which service you have disabled allowing you to setup your Facebook account with a separate app? I disabled all the social services. However, I still cannot click on the non-Blur FB icon under Accounts. My phone is still forcing me to use Blur which I really don't want! Thank you for your help!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Vangelis13:
I am now on the "Comprehensive list" of frozen apps & can use the Facebook app that I downloaded from the Market without problems. Everything else works great too, awesome!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kandroid:
Like Vangelis13 said, download the facebook app from the market and use it. Do not go through Accounts to setup your facebook under blur. That should help.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] live4nyy:
The only difference is going to be you cannot integrate your Google contacts with your FB contacts. But the FB app will still work.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] WooWoo:
I do have FB app. It also create an icon in my Settings>Accounts>Add Accounts. However, nothing happen when I click on it unless it's Motoblur FB account. Can you still get FB notification without the account setup? Thanks!

I really wish I can get rid of all these blur integrations. If I need someone to tell me what to do, I'd be using an iPhone...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] live4nyy:
You just have to set up the Notifications within the FB app itself.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
Ranphi, what you might be seeing is the android system recognizing/labeling whatever home launcher you're using right now as the default home.

As in, it asks itself, "what's fulfilling this role," and, regardless of what app it is, the default is labeled as "Home"

Granted, if you see a separate LP/ADW/Zeam/etc entry on the list, I might be wrong.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] HideYoKids:
thanks a lot, this will be incredibly helpful next week when I get my Atrix!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ranphi:
Thanks, xyrovice! I had wondered about that possibility myself, but after downloading the app "Android System Info" from the Market and running it, I have now verified that the "Home" app that shows as running on my Atrix is indeed part of Motoblur.

It's identified as "package name: com.motorola.blur.home".

Under the "Size" category it's using:

-application: 0.00B

-data: 8.00KB

-cache: 0.00B

Then it also states that the "Source" for this app is: /system/app/BlurHome.apk.

This state never seems to change, so maybe part of Motoblur is still considered running since it's got 8KB of data in it? Maybe that data is my Motoblur account info?

I haven't disabled any other services on my Atrix yet, so I'm going to do some more reading and digging.

Thanks for your reply and your help! :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thews:
I did a backup of swype then uninstalled it and installed the swype beta. Do I need to restore the backup and do a freeze, then reinstall the beta, so that my phone won't brick later?

Any help appreciated. I thought I was in the clear with what I did. Definitely don't want a dead phone on down the line.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] live4nyy:
From my understanding you don't have to move the original unless you plan on updating. The beta does not get installed on the system/app, just as a downloaded apk, like swiftkey. But when you need to update you have to uninstall the beta and move the original back into system/app
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
It seems that after a series of tests Titanium Backup and several other freezing apps are NOT stopping the items. The only way I have found to actually turn stuff off totally is adding .bak to the name n

DO NOT rush out and do this. Experimenting with this is likely to brick your phone. It must be much more stringent testing to add to the list.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
Duly noted, my friend. This is something I've been starting to suspect as well, but paid little mind to. Let me know what you seem to find.

Meanwhile, I've been gaining more and more understanding for what some of the more mysterious services do, as well as certain functionalities I did not know an element affected. It may not be complete, but I'll be posting these findings on the list in a bit.

Thanks again.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Vangelis13:
So, "Comprehensive list" frozen & run LPro. If I now to a factory reset, is there going to be any problems at start, should I unfreeze everything first perhaps..?

Want to do another factory reset & start clean; battery seems to be lasting a little too short for what it should be lasting. Or I'm fiddling too much with the phone! :-)

I think I'm good to go but want to make sure before I soft_brick the phone..