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[Atrix 4G Android Development] tl_bull:
The Devs always win, why would Moto release the software? Because they feel like it? Sorry they are worried about one thing and that is the bottom line, they wont do anything to help a small portion of their customer base.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Clienterror:
You need to have an option for "DG will figure it out" :p
[Atrix 4G Android Development] lsxrx7:
if anything we'd learn we should learn that from the XOOM, no ?

LG use the tegra 2 and all, but different company do ( lock ) things differently
[Atrix 4G Android Development] nsaia:
Unfortunately I'm in line with you. It doesn't seem like there's any motivation for Motorola to release the keys, and from past history with their devices cracking the bootloader does not look promising.

It's a shame because this is a very good phone that just needs a little tweaking (removing Blur).
[Atrix 4G Android Development] andrew53517:
There has to be some way without the keys.. I don't know what, but it can't require just those. We need to get other developers to look at the Atrix. Like I said in the other thread, jimmydafish and maybe even koush could help DG try to find some way to bring ROMs. Even if they don't fully unlock it, just do it similar to the droid x.

Atrix4G Rooted!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] oFUNGUSo:
the poll results speak truth.

*sad face*

its dumb too because i returned my craptivate to get this phone, and now i wont be able to do all the same cool stuff to it.

i guess i have 20 more days where i could return this and either go to the crappy again, or inspire. im juggling the idea, but the dual core, large ram and good battery life are making me lean towards just keeping this phone.....oh and the fact taht the GPS works when the crappy didnt
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mburris:
You sir are no economist! :D

But seriously... if you look at the results, an overwhelming majority believe that we will in one way or another obtain an unlocked bootloader:

66.18% of all voters think it will happen, while only 33.82 think it never will.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jruweaver:
Have faith in the DEVs, I'm voting on option 2!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] franciscojavierleon:
it won't be cracked, it's almost impossible, but the droid x wasn't doomed because it still has greats rom. No unlocked bootloader only means no custom kernels, not roms.

i would like those 100+ people that signed the petition about at&t's block of hsupa instead post on motorola's twitter accounts all day. the only way we MAY get an unlocked bootloader would be for moto to do it.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] oFUNGUSo:
what if one of those DEVs is the ony who actually told me, and i quote:

"it wont get cracked"
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mburris:
I guess it depends on which dev said it.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DemonWav:
Designgears told me more than once, and everyone else in the IRC channel that we more than likely will not be able to unlock it. Never said it was impossible, but the thing that checks the kernel and recovery, whatever it is, is lower than the bootloader, that is why the bootloader is only signed.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Clienterror:
Out of curiosity is it possible at all to OC without cracking the boot loader and loading a new kernel? I'm pretty sure it's not but just double checking.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] andrew53517:
Ohhh boy.. That does not sound good at all :( What to do, what to do? :(
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmypopulous:
Give up. It's tilting windmills without a leak from within moto.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Athailias:
I think you mean tilting at windmills, in reference to Don Quixote tilting his lance at a windmill thinking it was an enemy.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
All literary references aside, even with a "leak from within moto" the chances of unlocking the bootloader are negligible.

We had all of the documentation and files from Motorola for the Droid devices including efuse implementation and emulation on unsecured hardware, all of component files themselves for both secured and unsecured hardware and all of the firmware builds.

None of it helped unlock the bootloader. We even have the methods and tools for setting and blowing the fuses with RadioComm.

It is irrevocable once set and we have been told that Motorola themselves cannot "unlock" them. All they can do is replace the chip with an unsecured one.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ikenley:
So really absolute best case scenario is Motorola giving us the key, so we can sign the files ourselves? Or does it go further than that?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] nucentury08:
Sucks what to do keep or not I need Roms and the full power of Tegra is not open yet my nexus s laps my atrix but I belive in the devs.There will be so many hacks and tweaks for the atrix soon like scan to answer your phone or web top hacks witch is why I wanna hang on and he'll its DC top specs.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DarkSi08:
Interestingly, the results of this 'Dev' poll include 109 people right now. I highly doubt there are 109 devs from XDA working on this device right now. Most of the poll is just uninformed/uneducated speculation.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DarkSi08:
I know that you guys have been around the block for quite some time, and I'm sure you're all great devs, but here is my opinion on the matter:

What you're saying is likely accurate, sure. However, what we really need to determine if this bootloader can be unlocked, is to have our fresh minds on the case, without the constant onslaught of negativity, and 'you're not going to do it'. I sincerely appreciate the advice you guys have provided, as I'm sure it's helped prevent bricking more than one device, but the constant negativity is definitely not helping development.

If we all looked at a new challenge with the mindset that it was never going to happen, where would we be? I say, let us make our mistakes, let us do our development, and leave it at that. It's too early in the game to call this already, we've been looking at it for a week.

All in all, this device is still a completely different monster from the D2 and DX, therefore, there is no reason to believe that the situation is going to be the same. If you want to lend us your creativity, your experience, or your help in general, please do. The half-blind negativity, however, only hurts development.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] eighty1:
I understand the point that you make, but at the same time its been proven device after device from Moto that they have a Excellent grip on locking down the bootloader. I am not a dev and I dont know if you are but there have been well known devs that have pushed this challenge to the side of unlocking moto bootloaders. I think that says a lot! Not to say it cant happen but after the marriage between me and my Droid X I just had to move on. It seems I will be returning the Atrix until/if the bootloader is cracked or at least until HTC drops a dual core Monster I will have that. This phone is great but as for wanting custom kernels and Cyanogen and all the other goodies that come with cracking this bootloader I feel like its a waste. This is just my opinion based on what I like to do to my phone and Im sure lots of others here. So much can be done with this phone besides rooting and being able to tether and remove att bloat. Sad case! I just dont think its worth upgrading to this when in a few months im sure HTC will release something with the same specs if not try and top it. To have these same specs on a phone whose company is known for its great hardware and commitment to keeping open source, I think its worth waiting.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Sebring5:
Motorola has announced it will unlock the Atrix for developers

It will happen with the Gingerbread/Ice Cream/Honeycomb update in August or September ( approximately 6 months.)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] franciscojavierleon:
how can you post this without a source link?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DarkSi08:
Agreed, I've seen this being thrown around a lot lately. Source?

As for what I said earlier, in reply to dscottjr, you're absolutely right. I just think that too many people are going at this pessimistically, rather than with some optimism. All of this pessimism is being thrown around rampantly, quite often by those who aren't even developers, and they're just desperate.

I'm just saying that there are avenues left to be explored, there's no reason to call it a dead dog quite yet. I'm certainly not saying I'm the one to crack this thing - I'm quite a novice - but the more we mope about how it's 'impossible', the less of a chance there is of it actually happening.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] oFUNGUSo:
im pessimistic because one the the main devs whos tried working on it flat out told me it will NOT be cracked. but, to sound like a broken record, i hope that person is wrong!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Exador:
The Atrix bootloader will never be unlocked, we have to accept that. The best we can hope for is what the DroidX has, sadly we don't have the developement community the DroidX has so we may never get features like overclocking.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] oFUNGUSo:
its my understanding that we would HAVE to unlock the bootloader to have a customer kernel, which is the only way to overclock.....ami wrong?

eitherway, im just going to chose to be happy with my atrix. its still a beast of a pphone and overall works better than my cappy did, and has great battery life. i tossed around the idea of going back to the cappy, or inspire just so i could run custom, but niether of those phones are good enough to draw me back. ill hold out until something better is released
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
I thought the DX is able to be OC'd?

EDIT: Yup. http://www.droid-life.com/2010/10/22/how-to-overclock-the-droid-x-or-droid-2/

No unlocked bootloader there.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] oFUNGUSo:
berryberry interesting. good to know.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
As stated earlier in this thread,

We had documents that came from the highest sources, we had all the information on how to set the fuse and lock the bootloader, in essence we were staring at the spec sheet directly from Motorola. In the end, what we came to understand and what was verified to us by people with intimate knowledge, So this is not he said-she said bs that takes place on forums, is that the method in which Motorola locks the device is undo able, and that Motorola's solution was to toss the board and put a new one in because there was no way to unlock once the eFuse was set.

The Atrix employs much of the same security and it looks as if it employs more fuses along the way, even the Tegra source shows a method that is a set once fuse on the tegra die, the source even says that if a mistake is made to toss the chip and redo. (This does not bode well).

Yes the security starts much lower than the bootloader, this we have been saying and yes certain people have been attacking TBH for it (the op has been one of those), the security of the phone begins in the NVRam you will need to find a way to do what no one else has done. TBH has more resources, and more knowledge about this than any other team working on it. I know Cell and myself have a strong vested interest in cracking the Bootloader (actually a misnomer because the security is much deeper than just the bootloader) and the full security on motorola phones.

So my vote is for - most likely not but I'm hoping against hope that creative minds will find a way.

As far as overclocking is concerned, the methods used to overclock the DroidX and all Omap3 phones will not work on the Tegra2X chips, someone will need to write a new driver and compile it into a module that can be insomoded and ran. That is not my forte so I leave that to the bright minds that exist on XDA.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] pcmike:
I think the poll we really need to be taking is one which asks how many developers will be returning their phones within the 30d window if Motorola doesn't come clean and commit to some solution leading to an unlocked bootloader. Then everyone can make a more informed decision about keeping their phone or purchasing one in the future. :rolleyes:

Who wants to start that poll?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DarkSi08:
Thank you. Most informative post yet. :)

Unlockable or not, the Atrix is still the best smartphone I've ever used on at&t. (IPhone4 and cappy included.)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] di11igaf:
Its not developers being pessimistic, its being realistic. The bootloaders not gonna get cracked, and if it does, it will probably be a year from now or more.. you gotta realize, while people are trying to crack it, the chance of bricking your 600 phone is probably close to 100%. If you don't get it right, you gotta brick. Try something else that don't work, possibly another brick. That's the problem, if someone had an unlimited disposal of phones to try everything under the sun, chances may be a little higher, but obviously that's not the case. How many 500-600$ phones will a single dev go through, 1 or 2 maybe..

Ya I would say the chances of that are about the same % of someone cracking the bootloader tonight(not gonna happen)

And mine will be going back in about 2 weeks, unless some small miracle happens and moto says they will 100% have some kind of solution, but im almost 100% sure that ain't gonna happen either
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
Yup...and we hosed 4 phones while researching this that we paid over $1500 for.

Phones we bought with our own money because none of us at TBH particularly cares for the "Donate to me and buy me phones because I am a really cool dev!" model of doing business.

We are also completely committed to Motorola devices and making the most out of them and are still doing so 9 months later and still doing work to make modding the latest phones as safe as possible, despite the limitations imposed by the locked bootloader.

We didn't turn tail and run at the first sign that it wasn't going to be easy and simple.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] eighty1:
I must say that TeamBlackHat made the droid x worthwhile other than that the experience was below average. If it wasnt for the sbf many would have been in trouble. The support and commitment you guys provide for the droid x is greatly appreciated. Which also leads me to believe that the bootloader will never be cracked in the near future and its time to move on from moto.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DarkSi08:
Precisely why we want you guys working on the Atrix. ;)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] gotfolk:
I personally like donating to dev's that accept my donations... Esp one that puts out as much hard work as DG does..

Being ON ATT which we are... I know DG and his work... and he just got my donation..

thank you come again! ;)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mburris:
For the record, I was not attacking the "team", but I was taking issue with you specifically. There for a while, almost every time you posted it seemed to include some snarky or prickish comment full of know-it-all-ness. After I and a few others called you on it, you seem to have changed your tone... slightly.

A little humility will get you a long way.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DarkSi08:
I couldn't agree more. The only thing we ever hear is 'trust us, you can't crack it.' We have naturally inquisitive minds, that's why we're on the Dev forums. Telling us that it can't be done, and to just trust someone who hasn't shown any evidence is pretty insane.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmypopulous:
Tilting windmills, knuckleheads.

I don't need to try to survive in the vacuum of space to know it would kill me. Sometimes it's advised to listen to experts.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
Yeah, not sure what was snarky other than maybe me calling you out in this post. I'm sure that I don't know it all, but what I spoke about I did know about, you had no idea what you were talking about, and was hanging your wishes on a star. My tune has not changed, and I've said it from day one, the phone is locked down, the bootloader is locked, only if Motorola made a mistake will you have a chance - and motorola is not know for these types of mistakes. I am still interested to see what creative angles you all take.

I am neither negative or pessimistic, more of a pragmatist who is also a realist. I can look in the firmware and see the boot chain and the links look just like the Milestone, DroidX, Droid2, Droid2G, Droid Pro.

You really became unglued when I suggested it is fraud to take a phone back that you have bricked. I will maintain my moral high road here as it is wrong and places a financial burden on the company that will be passed on to consumers.

I will continue to warn those who listen, when I see a path may be too dangerous for you to pursue without a safety net. I'm not anti-you, or anti-dng, I really could care less about who devs what for which phone. But I do concern myself with the safety of the masses.

For my sake, could you please link some of those "snarky, prickish or self righteous posts" so that I may edit them to meet your approval.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
So as to keep this post short, I need a link to a post where either of us have said trust us you "CANT" crack it. I don't remember myself or Cell posting any such things, perhaps you mis read or are simply reacting to the post by others.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DarkSi08:
I agree with you, but offer this counter-argument: how are you an expert on a phone you don't own, and a platform that's a week old? I know you've got plenty of insight into Motorola's practices on other platforms, but you come off as an ignorant know-it-all. Try your hand at cracking the Atrix, or don't. Don't just sit there on the sidelines telling us how to play baseball, when you've been playing cricket, knucklehead.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DarkSi08:
Not in those words, perhaps, just the inflection in your constant posts about the subject.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
You are really reading too much into my posts then, there is no ill intent or desire to curtail deving or hacking. Cell and I are very much rooting for all of you to succeed where others have failed (I think i've said that a zillion times). We only offer up what we know will not work or what we know will lead to a bricked phone. Take it or leave it, your choice.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DarkSi08:
You're right, and I apologize. I just get the feeling that development is being swayed by all of this.

Either way, this is my last post on the subject. I've added too much to the junk cluttering the Dev forums.

Thanks!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Exador:
I think you guys are underestimating the difficulty involved in cracking the bootloader encryption. For example Direct TV and Dish network smart cards have had 1000 times the man hours and money thrown at them that the Motorola bootloader has and after years of trying they've gotten nowhere. Before that it was the big dish which had even more money and man hours thrown at it with no results. It's insane to think a small group of developers are going to crack the bootloader encryption. I'm not a pessimist I'm a realist, i think the developers shouldn't be wasting time and money on the bootloader because it's a dead end. They can still do some really cool things with the Atrix without cracking the bootloader and that should be the main emphasis.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] gotfolk:
lmao... up till Nag3 FTA box's were working great with Sats... not that I would know anything about any of that..... ;)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Exador:
It was a good run, but like all good things it came to an end. I still have the card readers, bootloaders, atmega cards, unloopers, jtag readers and half a dozen Pansat and Viewsat boxes. Atleast I was smart enough to sell my P4 cards while they were still worth something.
[General Questions and Answers] rdemystang:
I have a nook color with Honeycomb installed and I tried spoofing the build.prod to look like the xoom so i could get the market apps. It did not work and I replaced the build.prod with the stock one and now my home buttons do not work, any ideas? HELP!!!
[General Questions and Answers] fzr-r4:
replacing my:

settings.db

settings.db-shm

settings.db-wal

in /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/

with the "stock" ones worked for me. Good luck!
[General Questions and Answers] jonusb5:
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[Xoom General] dudeimgeorge:
Lets have a nice, usefull thread to help us all achieve that sweet HD viewing that was oohh soo easy to attain (slight sarcasm)

regardless when/if we will get a codec update or a app redone for tegra usage to make things easier...lets lend a helpful hand

Please provide a *tested* converter program and its profile for 720p or even higher(if possible) video playback.

Thank you and god bless Antarctica
[Xoom General] khov07:
I have no HD-content to test with, but I'm currently encoding Avatar from a DVD using Handbrake following the guidelines in this posting.

Will post my results.
[Xoom General] DarkDvr:
Those who are switching to ipad2..no offense guys, but u have to look further than ur nose.
[Xoom General] bwcorvus:
Um what.
[Xoom General] dudeimgeorge:
yeah man, that one went over my head/nose
[Xoom General] msalem:
I'm currently using Handbrake and using the Apple 2TV preset and its working fine. I don't plan on changing since its easier to just have one preset and using the same file with my Ipad, Xoom, and Apple 2TV.
[Xoom General] AzimuthMedia:
Yes to HandBrake.

Also used DVD Fab8 Video Converter/MP4/genericMP4-h264. Used single pass, made filesize 4000mb, and make sure to use the stereo or Dolby II setting for audio.
[Xoom General] emittee:
Speaking of Handbreak, that app is not shy. Thought my i7 was going to burst into flames.
[Xoom General] sgtcasey:
I've used Handbrake to encode from a DVD but I haven't gotten past the trying out different settings phase. When I get home I will have to post the settings I've come up with that worked for me.

Dave
[Xoom General] Slimgym20:
Im using Handbrake. Picture is good, but the mouthing is just slightly off. I've tried 3 different profiles, but can't seem to get the mouthing right.

1. Just using the Universal settings.

2. Av Bitrate 4000 Codec AAC (Faac) Samplrate 44.1 bitrate 128 and DRC 0 Motion Est Meth - Diamond

3. Av Bitrate 2200 Codec AAC (Faac) Samplerate 48 Bitrate 160 and DRC 4 Motion Est Meth - Diamond

These have all come from diff posts I've seen from others. Anyone got the mouthing on?
[Xoom General] khov07:
AppleTV2 preset works with the native video player, except for some choppiness. The instructions posted in my link above didn't work at all, not even on my PC with VLC.

AVI's play just fine with RockPlayer.
[Xoom General] dudeimgeorge:
yeah but 720p..is so hard to achieve
[Xoom General] lacesout:
I use #3 and it works great. Videos are clear.

And depending on the source resolution you may or may not get full screen.

BTW, these are converted from 7GB+ MKV files.
[Xoom General] tampabuc2004:
I have tried converting some 720 shows with handbrake under the appletv2 settings as mp4 qqplayer was unable to see the file, Rockplayer Light was able to play the file with slight video lag, and audio lag.

I also tried using e.mote's script http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11768975&postcount=8 and it produced unusable file for both players

Edit:

I was also able to try out dvdcatalyst you can grab a free trial here http://www.tools4movies.com/ This has been the best converter so far, it was a simple setup and has a dedicated xoom profile. granted i have only tried one video so far but it looks to be promising
[Xoom General] dubsjw27:
I as well tried the AppleTV2 preset and saw desirable results.

Nice since I am already encoding everything for ATV2 anyway