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[EVO 4G General] zaneluke:
Dirty Schroomz, do you really work for Sprint? I've been having this issue for about a month now. I've talked to every level of technical support supervisors that I could find in depth. I've been to the Sprint service center 6 times, replaced my phone for a week, & still no improvement. They put a ticket on the towers in my area aweek ago also. I can't stream a 2 min. video in 15 min. half the time. I've been with Sprint over 10 years & they haven't done anything to solve this, or admit a problem, except make my life difficult with all this Sprint store & phone call stuff. I've been polite but they haven't offered me an airwave (if it would even help) or offered me any credit on my bill. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they aren't treating me nice &acting as if they are concerned & trying to help, but at this point I can't help but believing that they are not being honest about what the problem is. Since I can't get speeds more than 1 or 2 times dialup half the time, I've cancelled my hotspot & this doesn't seem to matter to them. And yes I know I am the only one paying for it. I had no complaints until about a month ago, now if I could find a carrier that I believed could deliver as good of service as I was getting I would switch in a minute. I am in the NW Chicago area about 50 mi outside of the city. I appologize for the length of this post-to everyone!
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Speeds are slow everywhere... including my phone. Nothing we can do but wait until it's "fixed".
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
im not being "cut off " if i was my speeds would be NO speed the 3g data speeds in my area are WAY down :( but im told there has been NO problems reported any place
[EVO 4G General] craigbailey1986:
With all this slow data speed around the nation, I wonder if sprint is about to roll out a better 3g. I mean something similar to hsp+ or whatever its called.(you know what i mean lol) I mean could that be a possibility?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
CDMA/EVDO could use the faster, updated Rev B - wikipedia says 4.9 Mbps per carrier, not HSPA+ like but still a improvement. Our EVO's do have a CPU that supports Rev. B but a while back I read that you also need a transmitter/receiver/something to actually use it which the EVO does not have. So IF it ever were to exist, it'd probably be a thing for future phones.

Another possibility is 1X Advance. With it, Rev A speeds would remain the same but would offer much higher capacity so average speeds would improve. Sprint was rumored to be testing this so I do think this is coming.

Either way, Sprint 3G data is pretty much unusable for a lot of people right now. They HAVE to fix this.
[EVO 4G General] craigbailey1986:
with that being said do you think that's would be the cause of such nation wide slow data speeds? I mean I honestly have no problem but on occasions my calls have dropped even with full bars... another thing I have noticed is increased reception, when I moved in my house in October I would only get 2-3 bars now I am around 5-6 bars. My speed test app also shows an increase.

I am just wondering what's the reason behind this slowness. I bet sprint is about to expand some how.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Back in December (?) I found a Sprint employee on the official Sprint.com boards saying that they are testing 1X Advance but couldn't reveal more without getting in trouble. I have no idea if this is the reason for the crap 3G but I hope that it is and that they resolve this ASAP.
[EVO 4G General] craigbailey1986:
Yeah hope so also... sorry for you guys problem but like I said down here in ga there is no problem with data speeds... hopefully things will look up soon for ya....
[EVO 4G General] nivron:
Hey, I'll go ahead and mention that I'm an idiot because I didn't read the entire thread. Please forgive me if this already came up, and please don't flame! ;)

I live in Ocala, FL and work in Orlando, FL. Ocala is considerably smaller than Orlando.

In Ocala, I can consistently get 1100-1500 kbps over 3G. There is no 4G in Ocala. Fantastic speed 24/7.

In Orlando, I go from getting 100 to 700 kbps over 3G. It is also related to timing throughout the day. My theory on this is that the network is just too saturated because of all the devices connected. During the day in Orlando, the speeds are really slow. After work time ends, the speeds increase.

I will also note that before December 2010, the speeds were much better in Orlando. I am not a power user so I don't think there is any throttling involved.

Just some anecdotal statistics for consideration. :)
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Your posts make one thing clear:

You are trying to use data to make it say something it doesn't.

I do not know what is so hard to understand about the following so I'm going to type it in an enlarged size, bolded, with blue font in hopes that will make it clear and understood.

There are known issues with data in your area.

The issues have existed for at least several weeks.

The issues cause terrible data speeds that fluctuate from terrible to even worse.

This is why you have the issues you have.
[EVO 4G General] jacoballen22:
This issue must be I'm a lot of places mister. I'm having them as well, but you would never know cause I'm not complaining. Still, I think that they should be better but I would not use a prl hack.

Swyped from my sexy EVO.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
It's semi-nationwide
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
It's nationwide and it definitely peaks during mid-afternoon
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
we get 600-700 here. not sure if thats normal or not... (3 bars of 3g)
[EVO 4G General] jacoballen22:
I agree with this. Mid day = terror

Swyped from my sexy EVO.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Is what this post said really that hard to understand?

Sobis1dm, you're complaining about speeds, during a semi-nationwide issue, being even worse DURING peak hours....I mean....dude... really???? :confused::confused:

Where is the disconnect here?
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
We've been over that already. Speeds should not and do not decrease that drastically, that quickly, because of a peak hour. There simply arent enough subscribers in my area. I run a business that services every carrier, and i see dozens of phones a day. so i have a pretty decent knowledge of my city's demographic. Besides, I live in a college town, so for me 1-3 am are also peak hours for MSU kids uploading their drunken pics to facebook, haha
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
I'm siding with DirtyShroomz on this. When I spoke to the tech and the lady from Dan Hesse's office (Tia), they asked me specifically if this was happening during peak hours. I said no, it's happening all the time. There's more proof. They never asked "how much data do you use?" or anything like that.

Now I'll humor you and pretend I agree with you. Then what? You're gonna sue them or something? I mean, they even say in the commercials, "no data caps, no limits". If you don't like it, go to some other carrier. Sprint is the last good nationwide carrier in the US. You're not the only Sprint user in your area and I don't care if you have knowledge of your city's demographic. Someone who works for Sprint is telling you they don't throttle your data, so your point is moot.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Im not going to sue aanyone. I want Matt to say there's a possibility, that's where this whole thing started. Anyone who has paid attention knows I didn't even start by CLAIMING I WAS THROTTLED. I said with the way my data fluctuates, its hard to point in a different direction. But his refusal to even say "maybe there's a possibility" will keep me defending my own results.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
There's no possibility that your phone data service is throttled and you have offered NO evidence to prove it.

And yes, you ARE claiming you're throttled.

That is EXACTLY what you are implying.

You are implicating that, during peak times "and Saturday" [for some reason], your data bandwidth is controlled by Sprint to be lower.

Thus, the "throttled."

You can sit here and try to change your argument and try to argue that you never used that word specifically but that's EXACTLY what you've been arguing the past two days or so.

You're the type of person that would make a statement like "the sky is purple."

Then, someone would take you outside and show you it's blue and you would still sit there stubbornly stating "the sky is purple."

Then, after a few days of arguing, you would try to redefine your statement.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Actually, ill just keep providing proof.
[EVO 4G General] the_scotsman:
I've just deleted 30-something stupid, immature, petty, nonsense posts from this thread.

I'm happy to leave it open if you can discuss it in a mature civilised manner...but if anyone else starts flaming, arguing, name calling, then the thread will be closed.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
THERE IS NO PROOF, THE DATA YOU'RE PROVIDING IS NOT PROOF.

I'm sorry you're having data problems, I am having the same issues.

I'm not sorry because I'm some "Sprint fanboy."

I'm sorry because you pay for a service and you're not getting it.

And that's not fair.

But if you think for a moment that Sprint WANTS/IS PURPOSEFULLY causing you to get such low speeds, you're insane.

That's all it comes down to.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
For what its worth you ARE right in saying that one day worth of speeds is not evidence. But, again, for the tenth time: ill collect data every week for 12 or 15 weeks (less if you claim there's a possibility). After that time, it should just be obvious that my data results show a POSSIBILITY OF THROTTLE.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Not just that. The nationwide 3G issue "contaminates" the results so you can't say it's because of throttling. Don't tell me you've never done a science experiment. Your "proof" is worthless.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Are you listening at all? Im aware there's a problem. The problem shouldn't last 12 weeks... so in 12 weeks when my speeds are the exact same as they were yesterday (they will be, I promise), you can't say its because of an outage. Unless, of course, Sprints towers magically go down every Saturday.

I can tell you ive had these results every saturday since I joined sprint in september and yyou can believe me or not believe me. But ill start collecting the data as to prove that long term results can and do exist.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
I joined Sprint in August and I'm telling you it hasn't always been like this. A problem can go on for more than 12 weeks because a problem doesn't have feelings and a problem doesn't care. Until they find a solution, you can expect slow data.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
You don't live in my area, do you?

If sprint let's this "problem" you guys like to cite so much go on for months at a time, why is anyone with them?

I dont have slow data on the whole. I do, however, have a significant dropoff in speeds on Saturday. Every week. Just like what i posted. There's no way my area generates enough people to cause my speed to decrease that violently for eight hours straight.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
First you said they're throttling. Then you said that's not what you said. Now you're insinuating they are but you don't want to say it. Well which is it?
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Please read the thread before you tell me what I have and haven't said. I first said that my data was obscure. Then i said it could maybe be throttled. Then i posted results and said it looked like it. Now im still saying (shocker) that its possible.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
im not sure if sprint throttles or not but still today im having radio & data issues from the 4 week long tower outage. my airrave card should be here by wed but if the issues aren't fixed soon im going to t-mobile in a few weeks. not to mention i have never been able to get any 4g signal where i live but i have to pay for it. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I know, sobis1dm, that even if there is a God and he came down and told you Sprint doesn't throttle you would still be arguing, but I'm going to show you something anyway:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/27/gmail-accidentally-resetting-accounts-years-of-correspondence-v/

See that article?

See how Engadget is trying to turn it into an "end of the world" scenario?

That's how Engadget is, and they are NOT the only ones.

If Sprint, the third largest mobile carrier in the U.S., was throttling [when they clearly claim they don't] Engadget, and many many many others would be alllllll over that news.

Sheesh.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Dude.

I haven't even claimed I'm being throttled.

All I want you to do is say there's a possibility.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
There's no possibility.

And you've provided no results, that aren't contaminated, that prove anything.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
why does he have to provide you any proof?

anyways with all the *****ing in this thread i estimate it will be closed shortly.
[EVO 4G General] jacoballen22:
Yeah yeah yeah, so does anyone think Sprint would do this unless you're PRL hacking?

Swyped from my sexy EVO.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
I've said time and time again that my results will come every single week. Every Saturday you'll see the same results you saw yesterday, and every day you'll see much, much greater speeds.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Why do you have to provide proof when you present something as fact? :confused::confused::confused:

I mean, did you really just ask me that? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
I haven't presented anything as a fact other than that my Saturday speeds are much, much, much slower than any other time; so much that even in high traffic, the speeds are not even close to where they should be. That's the only "fact" I've stated. I've also stated that it's a possible throttle in my area. And thus, I have presented and will continue to present evidence that supports my fact.

That's it.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Great. Well the majority disagrees with you. If you want a 100% straight answer from the highest possible person you can speak to, email dan@sprint.com. You will get a call back from one of Dan Hesse's secretaries within one business day and they will answer your question.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
That's not what I want. I want matt to say that there's at least a possibility of throttle.

Then he'll say no, and I'll post my weekly stats, and he'll blame it on an outage.

Then I'll ask again.

Then he'll say no, and I'll post my weekly stats, and he'll blame it on an outage.

Then I'll ask again.

Then he'll say no, and I'll post my weekly stats, and he'll blame it on an outage.

Then I'll ask again.

Then he'll say no, and I'll post my weekly stats, and he'll blame it on an outage.

Then I'll ask again.

Rinse and repeat 12 times and his answer will start to look pretty silly.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Here's the thing. You are basing this on data taken during a problem with Sprint's infrastructure. Therefore your data is meaningless.

1) If it has always been like this, you should have left during the first 30 days.

2) If it was after the first 30 days, you should have put in a ticket to complain.

3) If it's been happening sometime in the last 2-3 months, your data is meaningless because that's how long this data speed issue has been happening.

Nobody is going to bow down to you and say "you are right". And nobody is asking you say "I am wrong" either. There is no possibility that they throttle you because they advertise that they don't. Run some online tests on your phone to see. Glasnost is one such test. I told you how to get a direct answer, and yet you refuse. You say you want Matt to bow down to you (metaphorically) and admit defeat when he is in fact correct.

And we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week, and we will further prove you wrong, and you will continue to post useless data each week.

Rinse and repeat 12 times and your answers will start to look pretty silly.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Alright, let's take it piece by piece:

This is absolutely correct. With any other problem of Sprint's, this problem should be handled swiftly and promptly. If they ignore the problem for 12 weeks, then shouldn't we be up in arms about THAT?

Yea, because companies always tell the truth in advertising. Always.

No, I don't. All I want is for him to have an open mind to the sheer possibility.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Oh, and here are todays tests. Man, if im experiencing a data outage, id love to see my speeds in good condition!

These are in kb/s in case anyone gets confused (again)
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
And you ignore the other half of my argument. Go read 1, 2, and 3. You had your opportunities to complain and you didn't do anything. And no, I'm not saying that all companies tell the truth. But when it's advertised on TV for everyone to see, even the dumbest person who thinks they're being lied to would know to bring up accurate data before making accusations. You admit your data doesn't necessarily represent what you're trying to prove, yet you continue to defend it. Also, I'm not necessarily defending Sprint, but rather people who make mistakes, which is...pretty much everybody. With a system so large, do you really think they know what the problem is right now? And do you think that even if they did, they'd be done fixing it right now? I mean, you're not there checking out the towers yourself, so I don't see how you can justify any of your points.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
I know I had a shot to complain, but that's not what this is about. I don't necessarily care that my data is sickeningly slow during said time period, because I'm on wifi all day in that area. So I have no basis to complain. I've said that my data as ONE DAY doesn't support what I'm proposing - however, my experience of every past Saturday does. And, since you people won't take me for my word, I will have to lump in the Saturday that I DID graph my results in with the next few weeks. I mean, the data has to start somewhere, right? So hold tight, and in 12 weeks we can have the conversation because right now, once piece of data is meaningless; but in 12 weeks, all of that data will show something substantial.
[EVO 4G General] tmwilsoniv:
I can't find anything in this statement that isn't worthy of consideration. While i think it is unlikely that Sprint is throttling 3G speeds in your area, it is most certainly possible. To suggest that it is not possible because you can offer no proof, or that Sprint advertises to the contrary, is not only silly, but naive.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
I am sure if they were, that first: Some one would catch them with solid proof. Second: They would be prosecuted for false advertisement.
[EVO 4G General] tmwilsoniv:
How would one "Catch them with solid proof?"

I still believe that Sprint effectively throttles their HotSpot Tethering. Two months of calls and e-mails during July and August could not get an answer to a simple question, "Why are tethered download speeds using Sprint's Hotspot roughly 50% of tower to device speeds using the same web based server, I.P. and speed test? On a side note, I'm very glad that the through speeds were so deplorable. It prompted me to root the phone, install Easytether, and really start having fun with this thing. FWIW, my through speeds using Easytether are 100+% of tower to device speeds.

As for potential claims of false advertising, I could only speculate. I have not seen an ad that states Sprint does not throttle data speeds. But let's assume that they do make this claim, and that someone can present solid evidence to the contrary. Big deal, the FTC asks them to stop running the ad. The FCC will do nothing. If the FCC tried to levy some kind of fine or sanction against Sprint for throttling, it would be like a meter maid writing a parking ticket for an expired meter that did not exist, or a cop writing a ticket for you running a stop sign that wasn't there.

As I stated before, I doubt that Sprint is throttling 3G data speeds. I sincerely hope that their objective is to outperform the competition, not to become the laughing stock of the industry.
[EVO 4G General] craigbailey1986:
Just wanted to say I saw a sprint ad that states unlimited data, which is technical terms mean they could throttle your data speed. You would still use as much as you like just the speed would be lowered.

This is factual... lol, I watch a lot of tv and I can tell you technicalities always win in court... I am just saying.....
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
This is 100% true. They've never claimed to not throttle data, just not cap it.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Sorry, awfully busy the last couple days. Here are my speeds:

Data problem not in affect! Shocker.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
At this point in time, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that they have some MAJOR PROBLEMS and they COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ACTUALLY FIXING THEM.

It's been going on for MONTHS.

Its 'unlimited data', but you're going to be hard pressed to actually use it because they sucked in a ton of new users with the EVO release, then cut just about every program, haven't fixed the obvious problems for months and no one has any proof that they've actually tried to fix it, let alone actually fixed it.

RIGHT NOW: Everybody with Sprint is getting AOL speeds and its 2011.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Omega Ra:
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/verizons-htc-trophy-coming-late-march-report

Do I wait? or switch to AT&T now and get the Focus.....ugh
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
The Focus is definitely the better handset, so I would jump ship if it's that urgent. There are rumors that the Omnia7 will become available on CDMA though, in which case that's even better (in terms of looks/feel) than the Focus.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Omega Ra:
well as far as looks go, I actually like the focus better, the Omnia 7 is a little too square for me. But the Focus has a card slot (I know it isn't technically supported) whereas the Omnia doesn't. Though it would be the first NON-Omnia I have owned in years if I bought the Focus.
[Windows Phone 7 General] waycoolkennel:
Where did you find the rumor of Omnia 7 to CDMA ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
Yeah it's up to you really. The nice thing about wp7 is it comes down to hardware. Which hardware will suit you more? Do you like physical keyboards? I have the LG Quantum, and to be honest, I never use the physical keyboard. It's nice to have if you have to be especially precise, but it's just never needed. Especially with the hardcase/skin I got for it, the sliding mechanism now is -very- stiff (that's what she said), but that's a bonus to me.

HOWEVER, the Focus is a Samsung phone. So expect internal memory to disappear, screen to become damaged, and have problems with the updates. I'd go with the Trophy personally, ony cause of that.