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[HD7 General] Audio:
Although you'r a first time poster on XDA, i'm sure your familiar with Forum's in general and forum rules. The main one being READ THE STICKIES AND SEARCH BEFORE POSTING.

All of what you have said has been convered a dozen times and is also consolidated with the other "Features" which the OS is lacking in a Stickie at the top of this forum (here) AND in the WP7 Generic Forum (Here or Here).

As for some of your concerns, why are you concerned about your privacy? Please explain. The "changing the background colour to black" won't help you with an HD7, as it uses an SLCD screen, meaning no matter whether it's white or black, the backlight will still be on. This is only relevant for LED screens where a black screen means the pixels are not illuminate and therefore consuming no power (however when they're white, they consume up to 3x as much power as an LCD screen). My HD7 provides me with about 36 hours of charge, with screen brightness set to auto, and wifi/bluetooth/gsm all turned on. I could go a day and a half without a charge however i've always charged smartphones every night anyway as they all consume alot of power.

Other than that, welcome to the forum. As other's have said, the OS is only 4 months old. Give it time. The features you want will become available sooner or later.
[HD7 General] hmbe:
Thanks everyone for your replies.

I know that a lot of my points are posted and discussed in other post but I thought it might be good to put them together as a sort of complaint.

Apple's IPhone mobile OS was new and I can see 3 and 4 share a lot of features. With Google you know that you will have to do syncs online. I had an idea about what he wanted and WP7 was disappointing. However I have to wait and see what will happen after MS and/or HTC work on HD7.

I have to sync my calendar and contacts with my live account and this is a huge lake of privacy in WP7.

Given the fact that I have paid for a lot of apps on my diamond 2 such as SSH client, VoIP softphone, GPS, I thought just like software on my desktop I will be able to use most of them or there will be an upgrade for my HD7 WP7.

I sit crossing my fingers and hope big guys think about users.
[HD7 General] tai4de2:
Windows Phone 7 is clearly not for you. Return the phone and get something else.
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
dude what do u want??? every one knew what WP7 can and can not do.... u still bought the device and now u are blaming the MS and HTC.... diamond 2 screen and hd 7 screen are two diffrent worlds, size is very diffrent... if you want to save battery, use auto screen brightness, do not push email....
[HD7 General] prjkthack:
Unfortunately, it seems you didn't do enough research before making the jump to Windows Phone 7.

Forget about the phone hardware itself, Windows Phone 7 is a totally different platform than Windows Mobile 6.5 and below. Two totally separate products. Your complaints are not complaints because they are all issues that Microsoft is well aware of and that everyone has discussed before. This is a brand new product, and of course things won't be perfect and won't have all the features you demand.

As for the software you previously purchased, that's not a fault of Microsoft as they did not develop such software. That falls on the developers of your software. They make the decision whether to develop software compatible with Windows Phone 7, and they make the decision to offer you free upgrades or not. That is not something Microsoft can control. So regardless of the platform, when you buy software, you are at the mercy of those developers.

And in regards to your privacy and information through Windows Live, you are not required to sign in with a Windows Live ID. You can skip that part of the setup process and use the basic features of your phone. But you miss out on many of the phone's features of course. So that is totally up to you.
[HD7 General] Sean D.:
Hellz no! And if there was this much crying nonbody could pull steve jobs' sack out of their face long enough to show you their tears.

I understand the OP's issues... as minor as they are, but sweet Jesus it has been beat to death. Nobody needs empty praise, but the unecessary crying over what amounts to nothing, or temporary shortcomings needs to stop.

Or better yet, it could be worse. Here we're wanting a FREE software update. With apple you'll be waiting till next year to buy a whole new phone so you can get something that another phone has had for the past 5 years.

And with Android (as cool as it is) you may or may not even get the latest/greatest updates.

So... uhh, yeah... g'head and dry those tears Homie.
[HD7 General] Perlnx:
1. MS not release socket support right now yet til Mango update,so no any ssh apps for sure.

2. I think that from above.

3. Maybe TouchXperience can help you.

youtube.com/watch?v=aAgd-iTBlGs

4...

5. Because of no socket support, any browser must be use an IE engine to communicate web browser, so no need to use an other browser.

6. I think I see this answer in "Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking section".

7. If MS not awaking right now, we have no choice, because we know WP7 is good but not perfect yet, so MS should be hurry up.

I have HD7 too but I'm no comment it's good or not to buy.

Because bought before.. played before.
[HD7 General] hmbe:
Thank you all for you posts.

Have to admit that I did not do my homework before buying a HD7.

Having said this, it is not a real excuse just to say WP7 is different to 6.5 and below. It is like you like ice-cream and try to buy one but are presented with yoghurt in the shop and the shop owner says you needed to do a research before asking for ice-cream!

Having said all this, I got an e-mail from HTC that they have forwarded my mail about these point to Microsoft.

It is all up MS what they will decide to do.

Do you think Microsoft decides to take a user point of view into consideration or just like others thinks their new OP is good and will do anything. I guess some of these points will take huge changes to the OS and their marketing plans.

And I should not complain because I had to do more research in advance :confused: .
[HD7 General] prjkthack:
Again, you are comparing ice cream to yogurt. Two totally different things. It is a very valid excuse. If you like ice cream, then you probably shouldn't have bought yogurt, or at least, done some research on yogurt before you bought it so that you knew what you were getting. You can complain all you like, but yogurt isn't going to change into ice cream because you want it to. They may share similarities, but they are not and will never be the same.

Same goes for Windows Mobile/Windows Phone. Windows Mobile 6.5 and Windows Phone 7 are two different platforms going in the two different directions. Microsoft recognized that one path wasn't going anywhere, so it took a look around and went in a different direction. So Windows Phone 7 may share some similarities to Windows Mobile, but they aren't and probably will never be the same product ever.

Both platforms cater to two different audiences, and if you like Windows Mobile 6.5, that's fine. Stick with it. You just have to realize that it is unfortunately a dead platform and you won't see any further updates. Windows Phone 7 is different and takes new and unique steps to a more cohesive and connected platform, and if you don't like it, the simple solution would be to not buy it.

If you are hoping that Windows Phone will become like Windows Mobile, then you should probably give up hope, as Microsoft has made it clear that this platform is something totally different.
[HD7 General] biernes_atrece:
The ice cream owner who sold you yogurt didn't tell you he was giving you yogurt.

Microsoft however, made it clear they are now selling cakes instead of ice creams or yogurt.

If you're still looking for ice cream and yogurt, you went to the wrong shop
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
cute....

those ppl will never stop coming... and some of them dont even have a WP7 device... the best of all they never get disappointed by what they do, just push their short comings to MS and HTC..
[HD7 General] hmbe:
Cake?! :rolleyes:
[HD7 General] hmbe:
Well, I think it also was not clear when I bought my HD7 and MS did not make it clear that no other software but only new ones from market place will work on WP7.

Anyways I own a HD7 and am happy with lots of its features. In some features it rocks compare to Iphone or Android phones.

But are you telling me nothing I say makes sense?
[HD7 General] Audio:
I think the moral of the story is look into/research a product before buying it. What they guys are saying is that although your points may be valid, they were well known (or at least the information was provided) by microsoft before the WP7 was released.

So although it may be harsh to say, but to buy the Product AND THEN complain about what it can or cannot do isn't anyone's fault's but your own for not looking into it before hand.
[HD7 General] biernes_atrece:
There are negative criticism (which is neither beneficial to anyone).

And there are positive/constructive criticism.

OK, we think MS or HTC needs to work a little bit more. So we can post our suggestions and raise our concerns. If these people see there is a need for this or that, I think they would not turn on deaf ears.

IMO, as a totally new platform, MS did well. Although there's a lot of room for improvement. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt but expects them to do more. This I think is fair.
[HD7 General] evolutionqy7:
I feel more disappointed from HTC for building a very low quality handset.

Very low quality. Im afraid to use it.

Might not look as good as my omnia 7, but for a change a Samsung Phone is miles ahead in build quality. Performance seems to better as well
[HD7 General] Sean D.:
Yeah they did. Before the device even came out.
[HD7 General] scoob101:
1) Wait. They will come in time. If you really expect a fully mature set of apps on a brand new mobile OS, you`re being silly.

2) Wait. It will come. No 3rd party (tomtom etc) is going to write a WP7 navi app, becuase they all know turn by turn naviagation will be provided in an update.

3) If you are that concerned about your securty, its time to stop using the internet. Try taking a more pragmatic, risk based approach to your use of the internet.

4) DOn`t understnad that one, sorry

5) IE on WP7 is great. Whats your issue?

6) I`ll come in time.

7) You`re being naive. Sorry. Did you really drop that much money without thinking about your purchase?
[HD7 General] elmerendeiro:
right...nothing else
[HD7 General] hmbe:
Thank you for your posts.

And am glad to see :

Huge things are coming to Windows Phone 7!

If MS does not block this in their updates, this is one step forward :) .
[HD7 General] elrock561:
i feel exactly the same way. what's the point of having a windows phone if u can't sync w/ office! it's absurd. at first i thought i was the only one who was confused about all this cloud windows live nonsense. but i see i'm not alone. it's not only confusing but there are serious privacy issues here. i don't want my todo list that has all my comings and goings in the cloud. i don't want every time i make an appt w/ my dr. to be in the cloud. microsoft really dropped the ball here. i am going to flash my hd2 with android and win7. the hd2 looks better all the time

and for all us folks who delighted in downloading what we wanted from where we wanted, what gives that u can't download music from a site that isn't zune.

or that u can't install 3rd party apps that u trust.

or search for files and manipu;ate and delete them at will.

great phone. but they really dropped the ball

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[HD7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Like everyone else said, this OS is new, you must give it time. Microsoft has customer, so does HTC. HTC made the perfect design and perfect spec for running the OS, the rest of it depends on Microsoft and Windows Phone team. Don't blame HTC, HTC is one of the best Cell Phone Company i have ever known.
[HD7 General] ahaznada:
Research before you buy something.

I had symbian Nokia about 2 years, and before i buy my Desire i research on network about 3 month to learn everything about that phone and i must say I'm really happy with my Desire (this is my first android but surely not last).
[HD7 General] ahaznada:
And i forgot to say, HTC is the best phone i ever had, and android is the best os i ever use.

If you going from one os to another you gotta research and learn everything about that new os.
[HD7 General] scoob101:
My HD7 syncs with Office both at home and on my work laptop (via the cloud) just fine, thanks. Its also way more reliable than Activesync ever was.

This argument has gone round the block too many times already, and I`ve still yet to hear a sensible, coherent reason against putting appointments and contacts in the cloud. Rather than using blind fear as a reason try thinking about (or researching) the real risks, and being a bit more pragmatic. If you use the internet at all, then you are already leaking personal data into the cloud.
[HD7 General] evolutionqy7:
What nearly everyone loves that feature. Cause its so handy to manage your schedule like that.

Only problem i have is that piss annoying way of having to email myself word documents when i need them. There should be an easier way to sync your office documents
[HD7 General] scoob101:
Full skydrive integration for offics docs coming in the mango update.
[HD7 General] Jim Coleman:
What I don't get is people who buy an HD7 without researching its feature set, who then DON'T TAKE IT BACK TO THE SHOP when they find out it doesn't do what they want it to, and then MOAN ABOUT IT ON XDA.

Why the fricking hell did you keep the phone if you don't like it?!

The only EPIC FAIL here is the purchaser. Sheesh.
[HD7 General] latinohot:
This is why a friend of mine is returning his today and getting himself a samsung galaxy s instead through tmobile, I myself will stick with my old but new thanks to Dot and many other chefs for the tilt2, lol
[HD7 General] Jim Coleman:
See, that is the RIGHT way to go about it.
[HD7 General] jimbonics:
SkyDrive homie. I use it right now. I have a shortcut pinned on the homepage to my SkyDrive home, BAM! Office docs right there.
[HD7 General] efjay:
Irony. Dont like the cloud (when its from MS) but then going to android, where all your stuff is - in the cloud. And not only that, google scans your data so they can show you targeted ads. Sounds like a well thought out plan to avoid the cloud.
[HD7 General] elecconnec:
Except you can't upload the doc TO your Skydrive after you've edited it.

My craptastic workaround, at least until Mango gives us full Skydrive sync, is to use Sugarsync. I've pinned the mobile Sugarsync site to my start menu for doc retrieval, then after editing a file, I can email it to a Sugarsync-supplied address that automatically tosses it in my Sugarsync account without having to email it to myself, go to my PC, and upload it to my Skydrive manually.

Suckish, but far less suckish than having to get the PC involved. ;) The only real hangup is that Sugarsync sticks all emailed files in a special "Uploaded by email" folder, so the new doesn't replace the old automagically. I guess I could spin that positively and say "it automatically preserves the old version!" Rationalization is a powerful thing! ;)
[HD7 General] evolutionqy7:
Good point :D Ill do the same :D
[HD7 General] jimbonics:
Excellent points and tips, elecconnec!
[HD7 General] hmbe:
I guess I will keep it for now but will try to point it out to MS that they should have done a better job.

Skydrive or live outlook sync will not meet my company’s policy and now having to rent or a set an exchange server will also be a pain!

And I see other people bring up some valid points. Let’s say my concern at the moment is: there is no real alternative to give it back. Will keep my 6.5 though.
[HD7 General] spmunns:
This is nonsense. Your opinion is not an argument it is just bashing, for whatever reason. The simplest reason is that "I am not not given an option", which is all that is needed to be said. The phone is mine; the information on the phone is personal and, as well, could be considered confidential. What you trivialize as the "cloud" others realise as a database that neither you nor I have any control over.

Why should I, simply because I wish to sync my phone's contacts and calendar with Outlook (which is the whole reason I ever started down the MS mobile device path), be put in the situation where I have to share that information with MS before I can it get onto my computer? I realise that the information is trivial in your eyes, but to me and to others it is not. Sorry if you cannot get your head around that.

MS may simply just be following in the footsteps of their competitors and are trying to use the "cloud" to try to lock in their customers, but I think it is a mistake for people just roll over and say that this is the next big thing so just shut up and move on.

Being deprived of the choice of how I store my personal information and who may access it is the concern. Being deprived over what I can put on to my phone is another. I don't like where this is headed... and neither should you.

It is a shame to see MS take on Apple's anal, controlling ways...

BTW, I don't give a rat's ass about who follows my path through the WWW.
[HD7 General] scoob101:
If you don`t like the fact that WP7 forces you to store some personal data in the cloud, why on earth did you buy the phone in the first place? WP7 and android both put data up into the cloud. If you don`t like that then go buy an Iphone.

I`m not trivialising the cloud at all. It is what it is. The question you should really as yourself is, do YOU know what it is? Do you know how reliable storage in the cloud is, say over storing that same data on a PC that you control? Do you know what laws govern the storage of your personal data by a 3rd party? I bet you don`t, so blind fear and ignorance drive you to the default position of "I don`t understand it, so it must be bad".

Cloud storage isn`t for everyone. Its your data, and its your choice. But if you really do care about the security of your data in any meaningful way, try making the choice about where and how you store it an informed one.

I perfectly understand the point, thank you. I completley reject the notion that you are "sharing" your data with microsoft (or google, yahoo or whoever). Just because you use a 3rd party to store personal data, it doesn`t mean you are giving them carte blanche access to do what they want with that data.

I am not trivialising your personal data. Im simply attempting to get you to think about how that data could be exploited if it were to be accessed by someone else.

If you don`t think like this, then wake up and start doing it NOW. More of our lives are being lived on the internet with each passing year. Do you think that the idea of a coherent security strategy is to bury your head in the sand and attempt to "go off the grid"?

Utter nonsense. You can use yahoo or google to sync with on Wp7 as well as hotmail. How is that locking you in to microsoft, exactly?

The hippocracy is not lost on me. Store that same data on a local PC, and most people don`t give a toss about keeping the machine secured and backed up. Put it in the cloud however and all of a sudden the sky is falling in, and your data is being sold off to the highest bidder, or worse. Cloud storage will always be more reliable and more secure than local storage, because the vast majority of people have no idea how to protect and secure their locally stored data.

But you do care about someone seeing your calendar and contacts? Do you know now many servers your email passes through before it gets to you? Do you use a webmail account? Can you see how disjointed and haphazard your ideas about the security of your own personal data are?

No you probably can`t. But i`ll say it again. Ignorance is no defence.
[HD7 General] scoob101:
So you are trying to sync your personal device to your work outlook?

You`ll have to install software (like google sync or Outlook connector for hotmail) to get the data onto your WP7 device.
[HD7 General] jimbonics:
scoob wins. ms troll loses.
[HD7 General] spmunns:
Like I said already, that is just bashing, and that is unfortunate because all it does is lessen any of the validity that you may present in your arguments.

I do not have anything against the clouds and I do not fear the sky is falling. All I am saying is that the people (and I gather that there are many) who do not appreciate MS's new take on how Outlook interacts with their phones have a valid concern.

You may or may not use Outlook. If you have, and you have used it for business contacts, scheduling and keeping track of tasks (and I have used it in conjunction with PDA's and WinMo for many years), you would be taken back a bit by the new approach. I use the phone for business and I see MS's approach as being more geared to a consumer audience. That's fine, but the way I see it, they could have kept me happy by giving me a desktop sync and kept the masses happy by giving them the clouds. What is the problem with that?

JimBoy... were you calling me a troll? Thanks.
[HD7 General] scoob101:
I can tell you that I am in *exactly* the same situation as you. I`ve used WM and activesync for years to get appointments and contacts from my work outlook into my personal device, and I do the same with my WP7 device now.

But heres the part of the puzzle I don`t think you fully appreciate. In general, Its simply not acceptable to most companies to have personal devices being used on corporate networks in this way - and Microsoft fully appreciate that. The rise of smartphones has only made the problem worse. So its no surprice to me that direct outlook sync is considered an outdated approach. And lets be honest here - the old Activesync was truly terrible...

If your company really wanted you to be able to get your business contacts and appointments on your phone, they would have provided you with a blackberry. So with the understanding you (and I) are not following the generally accepted rules, so why should you think its going to be straighforward to get outlook sync to work on your phone?

my solution is to use google calendar sync (for calendar) and the outlook connector for hotmail (for contacts) in order to work around the problem of no direct outlook sync, but this required that I have local admin access on my work machine in order to install the software. Many people won`t be able to do the same as their work machines will be locked down. I`m in a privileged position so, i`ve been able to buy my own non standard phone and use a company SIM, and have the access to install software on my own machine, but that is not the norm.

I have to say that the google calendar sync /outlook connector solution works significantly better than activesync ever did, i`ve never lost any data despite resetting my phone a couple of times, and new outlook appointments get pushed onto my phone pretty much in a just in time basis. It just works - and with no cables required.

Your (our) scenareo is officially unsupported, and I beleive with good reason. Exchange activesync is there and fully supported for corporate users, and non corporate users have the cloud. People who sit in the middle of these 2 camps are on their own, but you can still get it to work assuming you have the required access.
[HD7 General] spmunns:
Yeah, and there are a ton of them. Thanks. BTW, when do you think MS and all the rest of them will start charging for the use of their piece of the cloud?
[HD7 General] scoob101:
A "ton"? hardly.

Can you imagine the scene at a Microsoft internal marketing meeting...

"Guys, we have to make WP7 appeal to the Ton of people who are breaching their corporate security policys by directly connecting personal devices to their work PC`s"

Come on, get real.
[HD7 General] jimbonics:
If your company uses Outlook without Exchange Server AND allows personal devices to connect to desktop PC's, then I daresay your company doesn't have much of a security policy as it is.

Yes, you're a troll, and an out-of-touch one at that.