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[Captivate General] Dani897:
played with an atrix today, they are preorder only in my area, don't know how you guys got youre hands on it and im jealous. if i had one id keep the captivate too, the atrix+ the dock is awesome! like using a laptop. i could type up papers for school and such and email them to the instructors if i miss class without looking for wifi of having a more expensive data plan for a netbook or aircard.

i like the captivate for touchwiz maybe im the only one but i do, the music player integration frees the homes screen of a big widget and the strait to missed call/text lock screens are cool, some like the silence feature on the aosp lock screen but all you need to do is hold volume down for a quick silence. i think i'd keep the captivate for multimedia, but for school or buisness or whatever having the atrix and the keyboard would be better. sure for the same money i could buy a netbook and teather it but i think the atrix has the advantage of always having the files with you regardless of where the keyboard is. one for security reasons, ive never lost a phone or had one stolen because it is always on my person, i dont even use a pass code because someone would have to pry the phone from my hands to steel it. and also for pure convenience, no risk of forgetting to backup the docs to the phone at all being they are created on the phone in the first place.

im waiting to see if the infuse will be a full blown galaxy s 2 with a dual core, or just a samsung version of the evo, with a big screen and an old chip. the specs only say that it is 1.2 ghz not that it is galaxys2 or that it is single or dual core. i have a fealing that the infuse will be the phone to beat in gaming. like mentionded earlier the captivate might still have better graphics than even the atrix, maybe it was just a fluke i dunno but samsung is serious about graphics and the galaxy s2 will be no exception in that area.
[Captivate General] angryphoton:
I can't resist, here is another opinion on those two photos. The Attrix is probably closer to the true color but the Captivate definitely has a higher degree of dynamic range (albeit colors lean a bit towards the green-blue spectrum).

If there was a way to adjust the color hues of the Captivate (the same way you do in a flat screen TV), then IMO it will be the better screen. The Attrix having limited dynamic range (levels of black), even if you can adjust its colors hues will always fall short of a display that has better dynamic range.

But now since you can't adjust any of them without some major effort, its really going to be a personal thing, best thing is to go to the store and hold them side by side while they are displaying the same thing.
[Captivate General] Ragin Caucasian:
Got to play with the Atrix today and loaded Quadrant...the best I got with the Cappy was 1500
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
If you can't debate without being insulting, I'm done. This is really an exercise in futility. The only real way to judge the camera ability between phones is by looking at each picture on a color-calibrated monitor and they would have to be the exact same scene, ISO setting, aperture and shutter speed. A picture of pictures is a bad way to do this. Still, there are things in that single pic that point to the Cappy having at least a better display if not camera. Look at the front wheel. There is more definition of the spokes on the Cappy than on the Atrix. Same thing with the passenger side headlight. On the Atrix shot it is just a white rectangle. Whether it's because it was captured better by the camera or simply because it is represented better by the display is beyond what we can ascertain by this one photo, but just going by the pic I can say that the Cappy at least looks better, just not why. Now if you want to simply judge display quality you need to remove the cameras from the equation and put the same pic on both phones and see how they look side by side. I did say in my original post that the color fidelity looked better on the Atrix, but that I prefer the better highlight and shadow details of the Cappy more. Again, I can fix color shifts on a PC, but I can't put back what the lens did not pick up originally. Your "light shining back at the camera" theory has to do with contrast and has nothing to do with comparing two photos taken under the exact same circumstances (lighting conditions). I see no evidence of enough front light in that pic to have robbed either phone's camera of contrast.

Another interesting thing is that the field of view on the Cappy is slightly wider than the Atrix even though it has a slightly smaller screen.
[Captivate General] jc2470:
LOL your still missing the point and dont even understand what im saying, besides that as the other guy said its a green blue hue to it, and depending on what color the trunk of the tree actually is if its red as it shows on atrix then the captivate is way off, concrete is not that color that is on cappy, nor is the grill of that car that black. u can look at the pic from a touched up aspect and say oh it looks better but truth is the grill on my brothers car looks exactly as it does on the atrix its not as black as u see it on cappy. The rims look exactly like it is on the atrix not like it is on the cappy, there are alot of points in those pictures that are wrong color on cappy. Any one with an eye for color can see this. U can see the leaves clearly on the atrix and they are blurred together on cappy. it goes on and on, but based on your credentials that you are telling us you should already know this we arent looking for a touched up photo look on a magazine we are looking to see what it actually is. I dont like seeing pictures of something that colors are not truely represented. I could show u exactly what im talking about with my led tv with a reg lcd screen next to it, U will see true colors represented better on the led tv then you do on the reg lcd. I am not the only one that notices this others are seeing same thing. Does the black grille on cappy look more black yes it does. Is that what it looks like in person probaly not, my brothers looks exactly like atrix screen. if it is a year or more older the black is not black no more. That is why they make products like back to black for all the plastic because it fades and loses color
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Looks like we have another variable at play here, your monitor. The concrete curb in the Cappy looks just like the one in front of my house. On the Atrix it is all one color. I'm not going to debate with you any more since you seem more inclined to trying to discredit my expertise than anything else. I'll just go on getting paid for what I do as a photographer while you keep trying to play one on the internet.:D
[Captivate General] jc2470:
LOL seriously you are putting your own expertise to all these people in question. I know there has to be alot of people that see what i see. If you seriously think the color aspects are right on the cappy pic then I would have to question anyones knowledge of photography that believes that. I never claimed to be a photographer not even a amateur photographer, and you do not need to be one to see the color problems on the cappy. call it magazine quality or whatever u want but the true color is surely not on that pic.

Lets ask the original poster of that pic what is closer to the actual color representation. Not what you think looks better because the truth is sometimes not all that great. Example I have seen quite a few girls on webcam they look great! see them in person you are like hmmmmm, not what i seen on that webcam lol. anyhow i just shifted monitor screen to my tv and looks the same. and it is excellent quality led 240hz sony bravia. so now the question is in your ability to spot color problems. But as i said before there are still to many unknown variables and will require a look in person to see what the comarisons actually are.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
That's from my very first post on the subject. I'm done debating with you. You suck at it.;)
[Captivate General] hd779:
I got the Atrix today and I got to say that the samoled screen is much more pleasant to look out. The atrix is undoubtably faster, no lag thus far. But data speeds are slower compared to my crappy. (Running Roger's cappy modem). I am going to give the atrix a few more days, but at this point it looks like the atrix is going back.
[Captivate General] angryphoton:
Also don't forget to put an 18% gray card near the phones and use a custom white balance based on the card to get closest to a neutral white balance when you take their picture side by side. :)

Anyway I just spent about 30 minutes in an AT&T store today (about 2 hours ago) and placed the Captivate and Attrix side by side and browsed some photos from Smugmug and Pbase to compare the two screens. I was disappointed with the Attrix (I was thinking of buying one this weekend). The high-dynamic range of the Captivate is just at a different level, even if the colors lean a little to the blue-green spectrum. Please keep in mind YMMV.

Also I am a graphic designer who has a calibrated Eizo IPS monitor, so I might be pickier than most people. I would pick the Captivate over the Attrix screen even after saying that the the Captivate may have a slightly cooler color palate, it might be off, but it is slight and the better dynamic range and overall color depth rendition of the Captivate more than makes up for this.

Again, see for yourself in the store with your own eyes while both phones are displaying the exact same image and make your own judgment.
[Captivate General] diablo009:
Well, could be that u r on some custom ROM on Captivate with 'H' speeds, while Atrix is still AT&T regulated speeds though they say its 4G.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
And don't forget to use a tripod to eliminate any chance of blur from camera shake.;)
[Captivate General] Grandelama:
The Motorola Atix's main problem is that bootloader has been confirmed to be locked down.

No custom roms, no custom kernel and no Atrix for me until and if someone finds a way to unlock it
[Captivate General] ryude:
You can make custom ROMs, just not kernels. Plus, never underestimate the ingenuity of XDA devs.
[Captivate General] MikeyMike01:
No custom kernels is worse than no custom ROMs.

Think about what custom kernels has done for the Captivate.

We'd still be on some sort of AT&T based Eclair ROM.
[Captivate General] Athailias:
Comparing my captivate to my atrix, id say that I prefer the atrix so far for the lack of lag (yes I have used every rom since I got the phone when it launched), but the thing that I am really happy about is the sound quality when running calls through my car. On my cappy I have to turn the voulme up really high and when my calls would end the music would kick back in and blow out my eardrums. On the atrix the sound is at the same level.

GPS... I wont go there cuz its not a fair fight.

Just what ive noticed so far.
[Captivate General] alphadog00:
i have both phones and there are some differences.

The Samsung screen wins, hands down. Mostly the black on the AMOLED screen. But, let's face it movies and other things on the 4" screen look fine. If I want to see deep blacks, i have a 54" plasma.

Performance is no contest. The Atrix is just better. Maybe it is the dual core, but i think it is just the underlying file system problems on the captivate. Maybe the Samsung choice to use their MoviNand is the real problem as lag still exists with lag fix.

But, what really does it for me is the email and calendar integration. Samsung's sucks - but the lag (even with voodoo) makes it unusable. The Atrix just works. Calendar is more flexible (I can edit my own events) too.

The Captivate is a touch thinner and nicer looking. Some things about Touchwiz I liked, but to me the phone was overall a disappointment. I don't think anyone at Samsung ever used it in the real world before they started shipping.
[Captivate General] mcord11758:
Did about 15 minutes on the atrix at at&t store. Why would I change phones for that? Mind you custom rom, and kernel on my captivate, but my phone is SIGNIFICANTLY faster. The screen on the atrix sucks in comparison, and I mean sucks. Liked the keypad. Atrix was laggy on certain things, internet scrolling not do good. Phone feels cheap as well. Made me feel good about my captivate
[Captivate General] Exador:
I had a Captivate for two weeks before returning it and I currently have an Atrix. The Atrix imho is better in just about every way. The Captivate has deeper blacks and that's about it. GPS on the Atrix takes 3 seconds to lock on, I never could get GPS working on my Craptivate. If you don't believe me go to your local retailer and play with the Atrix and you'll see what I mean.
[Captivate General] Exador:
What a bunch of BS I've had both phones and the Atrix is much much snappier no lag fix needed) than the Captivate. Don't listen to this clown he's just jealous of the Atrix because he can't have one. The Atrix camera also takes better pictures than the captivate. How's that GPS working for ya by the way lol. Mine locks on in 3 seconds lol.
[Captivate General] alkatz:
By the time 2.4 comes out, they'll have 6 more faster phones.
[Captivate General] mcord11758:
I can easily purchase an atrix if wanted, it it's not that expensive. Download/internet speeds in side by side comparison my captivate loads pages several seconds before the atrix, it is not close. Screen is terrible, repeat, terrible. My gps locks in less then 10 seconds and tracks perfect. I work in sales and use it constantly with out issue. Did not test the camera, but for my use that is not relevant. The phone as I mentioned as well looks and feels cheap.

Add to this the locked boot loader and you have a phone not worth purchasing. Just reading threads I know I am not alone, several people already considering returning it.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I left happy with the captivate, and that takes allot for me to say
[Captivate General] Brad2021hk:
Stock Atrix to stock 2.1 Captivate isn't close. The Atrix is far superior. The Captivate is laggy and has poor GPS performance. The stock Captivate is not a great phone. Fine. I haven't seen anyone say the stock Captivate is better or even close to the Atrix.

Stock Atrix to modified Captivate is a totally different discussion. It's at least close enough that different people can draw different conclusions. If this guy is a "clown" for thinking a modified Captivate is better than the Atrix, then so are a lot of people. I honestly believe that if you consider all the stock and modified ROM's in the equation, the Captivate is...today...the best phone on AT&T. Could change when something gets an update.

My Phoenix 4.1 (not even latest), speedmod K13C with JK4 modem setup is lag free, stable, and gets 3s accurate GPS locks. So do a lot of other people's similar setups. I also get faster upload and download speeds than you currently do with your "4G" phone. Also no bloatware and sideloading enabled. Tethering too if I used it.

I think someone else is jealous to have a totally locked down phone.
[Captivate General] hd779:
I am on a custom rom but the modem is a stock Rogers modem not an i9000 rom. The atrix shows 4g but is slower than my captivate. The atrix goes back tomorrow, there is not enough there to keep it over my captivate.
[Captivate General] G-Man.:
I dont believe there are any benchmark apps yet that fully utilize the Atrix's power.... all are built for phones like the Captivate etc etc.... As for buttons being harder to press.... wth are you talkin about?? My Atrix is much easier to press buttons.... the capacitive buttons are way more 'sensitive' than on my Captivate... Screen on the Atrix may not quite be as bright... but thats the only major difference i can tell... The other problem with your comparison is that you are comparing a modified phone to a stock phone... I've compared my Captivate to my Atrix with the Captivate on stock eclair JH7 and the Atrix is way snappier.... Wait until some custom roms/kernels are released for the Atrix and flashed successfully then redo your 'modified' comparison....
[Captivate General] mcord11758:
Atrix has locked boot loader, no custom kernels for that phone in the foreseeable future. Also the phones 4g speeds are significantly slower then a captivate with a i9000 modem
[Captivate General] MikeyMike01:
You might be waiting forever on that one.

Which is why I'm passing on it.
[Captivate General] qwertyaas:
Same here.

My brother just picked up the Atrix. It really is a nice phone but without cutrom roms/kernels... eh.

Such subtle features added that make it a step up (other than the processing power). LED light, notification light, FFC, HDMI out, finger print swipe. Too bad Moto loves to lock down their phones...
[Captivate General] Aftashok:
these threads never really get anywhere. two pages were spent debating the display, as if it's the ONLY component of a phone. even in THAT regard, it's a matter of opinion. people's usage of their phones is always gonna differ. best advice is to either spend an extended time in the store with both, or to even purchase the Atrix (if you have the Captivate already) and spend 29 days putting it through your terms of usage, then make an informed decision in the end.
[Captivate General] Aftashok:
also, i thought the bootloader on the Atrix was only encrypted and not locked? im no developer or anything, but is that better, worse, or basically the same as being locked?
[Captivate General] Dani897:
how much of that score is file system? can you run the paid version so we can see how that score is figured? because i got 2575 on jh2 way back before froyo with one click lag fix and unhelpful's kernel v1.4.1, and that was before i discovered scheduler tweaks and minfree settings and some other stuff that can enhance the score. true aosp roms have gotten 2700+ on the galaxy s but we have not gotten one that is bug free. rumor is that with a couple mods the nexus s gets 3000.

there is the obvious problem with rfs but there is also something with how a partition is mounted or something, i remember reading a comment about it in a cyanogen thread a long time ago but cant remember the specifics. anyway a stock captivate with 2.1 jf6 gets like 850 in quadrant and just the one click lagfix ext2 version can bring that above 2000 all because the file system score blows out of proportion. if you ignore the file system you can get an idea of how the hardware actually compares but you need the pay version of quadrant to do that.
[Captivate General] JiminSD:
I have both the captivate and the Atrix and like both and will keep both. The Atrix is by far better for GPS, the finger scanner works flawlessly (for me having a secured phone and ease to open is great), the clarity of the calls for the Atrix is good but not any better than the Captivate, the flash is nice n the Atrix but not that important. The Atrix smokes the Captivate during transfer of data, initializing apps, pulling up the apps picklist etc.. The custom ROMs on the Captivate makes it sanppier. I like the Captivate screen better. Motorola media software actually works and syncs itunes. The downfall for the Atrix is the locked encrypted bootloader. I am going to use the Atrix for my workphone and probably keep flashing the captivate.
[Captivate General] nuwayman:
I'm passing on the atrix as well. Yeah having a laptop dock is cool and all but not being able to do custom kernels and such is disappointing to me. Isn't that why were here on xda. I love being able to flash different roms and kernels. Its like an addiction. These smartphones nowadays are capable of doing so much stuff. All the tweaking to make these things fly is great. The atrix obviously has the power to do great things. But it can be even greater if unlocked. Maybe someday it might happen. But to have a phone and not be able to do anything to it is not for me.
[Captivate General] darkamikaze:
you got that backwards.

The bootloader is NOT encrypted but it is LOCKED and SIGNED.

Still tough to do though the dev community is pretty hard at work.. I believe they have a 40% chance of succeeding. That's pretty big IMO.

then again 98% of statistics are made up on the spot.. on the other hand,

I have 5 Fingers.
[Captivate General] xpratherx:
I haven't been able to mess around with the atrix yet, even after reading the debates im still kind of looking forward to playing with it. I find locked down phones to be a shame though, wouldn't get one because of that alone. Love the freedom of customizing my wifes cappy :) (yeah she gets frustrated, but I have fun) and my iphone. Still wish customizing was as simple as Android on my crapple. Now im not to sure if I want to switch up to the Atrix. Need to wait a few months to renew any way. :)
[Captivate General] MikeyMike01:
Another reason I'm not getting it. Can't think of anything less useful than that.
[Captivate General] brendanmurphy:
It's SIGNED with a 1024 bit rsa key. The millstone was signed with one as well and we still haven't broke it. (the milestone was the first locked android phone) the odds of finding or cracking the code are slim to none
[Captivate General] comdei:
Its something like 1000 years of computing to brute force a 1024bit rsa key...

by then we'll have smartphones in our brains :)
[Captivate General] diablo009:
Looks like Moto is all built up making the phone tough to crack to access data on it, from business acceptance perspective. Mind u, of the hundreds of thousands phones sold, not even 1% fall under our category of users.

Not being able to load software easily makes the option of remote-wipe more feasible. I know the battery can be removed, but then if the kernel detects an wipe signal when battery reinserted, it could complete the process. Same could be done when it detects a different ROM.

Finger scanner adds to security, and software could be written to use this to load any particular app too, not just unlock phone.

Right now, on Captivate, there is always a risk of data insecurity. Anyone could simply load any rom with a no wipe to access the data on both SDs severely compromising security.

Well, don't flame me guys, but this is one reason why I am not able to use my phone as a work phone nor use it to access office vpn. And maybe this could be cracked, but atleast is the first step towards security.

And even in case the rsa key is cracked by some fluke mechanism, it could always be updated to a new one or a more stronger one by motorola with a (simple) update.

Try changing the SIM in blackberry, it won't even let u access contacts, let alone data until u reset the phone to factory settings with complete data wipe. Business users could be happy with this.
[Captivate General] G-Man.:
All im saying is that He was comparing a modified phone to one stock out of the box.... of course the modified phone would be better - the devs here do outstanding work.... I also am well aware of the lockdown with the Atrix. Nothing is impossible and I have faith in the devs who are working on the Atrix... My simple point was - it was a comparison made comparing two phones, one stock, one modified, with apps tailored to the phone which was modified... Some apps dont work with the Atrix - such as Drocap2.... if we are lucky enough to ever see custom kernels/roms for the Atrix - i honestly believe it would blow the captivate out of the water performance wise - from what MY experience has been comparing my captivate with my Atrix, is the Atrix is still hands down a faster more responsive phone.... My initial point was not that the Atrix was better than the captivate or vice versa - just pointing out the unfair comparison..... :)
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
^ Dem's some pretty big ifs, there.:D