yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
I have.....what do you need to know....
[Venue Pro General] Alechka:
I still haven't received update :(
[Venue Pro General] DeekoVB5:
Still nothing here, either. I guess we're at the end of the line of this gradual rollout....
[Venue Pro General] NeverSummer07:
Same here, still haven't received update notice for T-Mobile USA.
[Venue Pro General] evilPERSOn2009:
have similar problem
[Venue Pro General] Crimson Lotus:
I don't think DVP is gonna get the Pre-Update, I guess the Carrier skip it till NoDo.
[Venue Pro General] pibrahim:
How is this going to work for those of us who unlock the DVP and use it on other carriers? Presumably nobody else besides T-Mob is going to push the update to a DVP - is there any other way we can get it? Or are we going to be left behind??
[Venue Pro General] Yagi:
You will have to check through the Zune software manually.
[Venue Pro General] Crimson Lotus:
Can you check if the DVP has 256MB or 512MB of RAM?
[Venue Pro General] gmontem:
Wow now that's interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong with my assumption.. does this mean that, given I am a T-Mobile USA subscriber where the pre-Nodo update is blocked, that after unlocking my DVP I can bypass the carrier update blocking and receive the pre-Nodo update through Zune software?
[Venue Pro General] pibrahim:
From what I've read on other forums, lots of people who tried to manually obtain the update through the Zune PC software haven't yet had any luck with that method.
[Venue Pro General] monty1854:
Hi I just recently bought the DVP from India and my phone has the update pre installed. It has copy paste functionality also i would like you guys to know that my DVP has 512 MB of Ram checked through device info an app from marketplace.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Can you do me a favor? Can you extract the EM app(EM.xap file under /windows directory of the phone) out of it and post it here?

You need to use the webserver app (side load it) to extract the file.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
256mb...in all the tools I have
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
this is not totally correct. When the update is available, you get a notification. When you dismiss that notification but don't update, you receive the notification again in 3days. When you plugged to Zune, it can only show you what you have available. It does not force an update you are not entitled to. It only allows you to override the 3 day polling period.
[Venue Pro General] frazell:
It is also possible the pre-update isn't being blocked by T-Mobile, but isn't needed for the HD7 or Venue Pro. Since the pre-update is only geared at making the update process more stable for certain devices it is possible it wasn't required for our device.

We will see what the deal is when NoDo drops to get some certainty though...
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
I think there is a serious unknown here...around the phones that Frazel is talking about.....the open market phones, and an unlocked phone.

An open market phone isn't restricted by carrier, and , as Frazel points out, this is a new to market phone that already has the update. I suspect their phone will only seek updates based on Post March update.

Otherwise, all Windows Phones with the launch build ....I think it was 7004, must get the update to 7008 as prerequisite to the March update.

My questions are:

Can we expect to see a delay by Mobile Operators in the March release also, since, apparently, the 2/21 update is required for the March Update?

Will unlocked phone recieve the update, and from whom?

An unlocked phone is still tied, someway, to the original seller....or is it....in terms of the Update?
[Venue Pro General] Crimson Lotus:
I guess this means that US DVP gets 256MB & International DVP get 512MB of RAM. This sucks :mad:. I hope future updates for WP7 doesn't require 512MB to run smoothly. Or It could be an system error, I'll just have to wait till March update and see...
[Venue Pro General] KilZone:
No I still think all the Venue's have the same amount of RAM, as the European version of the Venue is being send out today - thus not arrived at their destinations yet. However, I think that alodar1 does not have the NoDo update yet - but rather the pre-NoDo one. I'm not sure, but in another topic he said:

While it can entirely be my fault in assuming this (if so my apology), he did not answer my question back then nor does he say anything about it right now. So, once again, do you have the actual NoDo update or the pre-NoDo one? The pre-NoDo does not contain any fixes in either firmware or software, other than the update mechanism.
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
Where did you get it for one..?
[Venue Pro General] frazell:
The DVP in India arrived AFTER the DVP in the US. As such, it ships with NoDo installed already...

Dell has said the US NoDo release will include updated firmware to fix the RAM problem on the DVP. If anything this being the case in India only adds a lot of validity to that claim (since the Indian version would also have the updated firmware in addition to NoDo).
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Hey there Frazell....when I first replied I had the pre update, build 7008. I know have the NODO update, complete with copy and paste. NONE of the memory tools anywhere show 512 unless I am looking in the wrong place.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Well...I live in the Seattle area...and I have Friends....enough said.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
If you got from a MS source rather from a Dell source, it might explain the reason for still seeing the 225MB instead of 512MB.

Here is my feel of it:

Dell is supposed to do some kind of firmware /non OS update to DVP to see the 512MB RAM. Hence folks in India with recent shipment from Dell have both the NoDo update and the RAM fix.

If you had got it from a MS source, they won't have access to the Dell Update as its not OS related (my assumption).

Edit:

Can you post your firmware version #?
[Venue Pro General] frazell:
You would need friends in Round Rock (Texas) to get the firmware update, no?

I say paste your output from Device Info here.

I share the same assumption.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
I agree with both of you. The Firmware was NOT updated at all, only the OS version. still on 2550.1500.7004.105.

I'm not in a position to do any more....other than say cool. very limited in the questions I can ask or get answers to.

I will say that all the tools...the device info, sys info tools, all say the same things...225.2mb...or was it 235.2 mb. either one. Neither indicate 512.

I was also able to see a device with a new firmware....it also did NOT show 512 mb. But it did exhibit a very very good response rate and zero hangs on wifi or any were else....no mysterious reboots or shut downs. It was like using a dream phone. Sorry, didn't think to capture the firmware...though I did look at the number.....only thing I can remember is 7355 in the number. Have no idea ...well.....the 7355 would have been where the 7004 was in the above number.

thats all I know....I can guess more, and fanticize even more....but you smart guys are waiting for that....
[Venue Pro General] monty1854:
7355 is the NO-DO update but that does not solve any of the DVP issues. I have pasted my device info in a thread in this forum you can check the os version in that.
[Venue Pro General] Joelh1:
I got my DVP this week.

SW version is 2250.1800.7355.205

HW version is 2.1.2.0.0

RAM is 480.773 MB

Everything works great. The only thing I noticed is that EM screen only has 3 options. Phone Info, System Info, MMS Settings. Nothing else.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Does the MMS setting work?
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
outside the USA?
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
I almost want to buy a dvp from india to compare

or from the UK to compare but giving dell more money skip that jazz
[Venue Pro General] Joelh1:
In Texas (DFW area)

I have not tried changing the MMS Settings.

It looks like the settings can be changed.

The MMS Settign screen contains...

Name ______

APN _____

MMSC

http

_____

MMS Proxy _______

MMS Port _____

User Name _____

Password ______

Auth Type []PAP []CHAP []NONE
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Can you sideload homebrew apps on your DVP? I need the EM.xap extracted out from the new updated DVP.

If you have a dev a/c or chevron unlocked, you can do it.
[Venue Pro General] Joelh1:
My phone is so new, I have not tried any homebrew.

I don;t think you want my EM. I don't have the ability to go to composite, Most of the menu options are missing.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
The reason i want the EM is to make a hybrid of the old with this new one to make some of the non-functioning old EM apps(like registry) to work.
[Venue Pro General] Joelh1:
I am unable to run ChevronWP7 on my phone.

Sorry
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Can you try this:

On your PC, Go to C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc select hosts and comment (#) the line that has a ip and the url developerservices.windows.com

You have to open that file in Notepad or any text editor using 'run as administrator' option.

Once saved, connect your device and try Chevron again to unlock it. Let me know how it goes.
[Venue Pro General] Joelh1:
Doesn't work.
[Venue Pro General] KilZone:
Do you have Copy & Paste-support? I mean do you have the NoDo update? If I read your version strings right, you should have it. If so, ChevronWP7 will not work. ChevronWP7 exploited a weakness in the registry (actually only changing one string) which is now no longer present, so can't be changed (and thus ChevronWP7 fails).
[Venue Pro General] Joelh1:
Yes,

I have Copy/Paste.

That explains why Chevron7 isn't working.

Thanks,
[Venue Pro General] counterfeit1204:
1. did you order 8gb or 16gb of DVP?

2. did you order it from DELL.COM?

3. what is the production date on your dvp package?
[Venue Pro General] Joelh1:
8GB

Dell.com

The date on the sticker/box is 1/15/2011
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
I actually got my hands on a device with the new firmware a couple of weeks ago. With the new firmware, EM had only limited screens. The WiFi was more reliable and the had no issues with multiple SD cards. Tested, 8g, 16g and 32g.

I no longer have the device.
[Venue Pro General] echoj8:
What class of cards did you test with?
[Venue Pro General] Naterade:
If you want the update follow tutorial here: worked for me and it is NoDo

.everythingwm.com/new-nodo-workaround-arrives/2011/03/29/
[Venue Pro General] lemonspeakers:
i updated my dvp to NODO, can anyone tell me a way i can unlock it with chevron (or some other methods?). I did not have it unlocked prior to updating.

thanks!
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
class,2, 4,10. A group of us brought multiple cards and sizes.

All worked. Class 4's were fastest, IMO. However the cards were subject most consistently to a message the the card was not working. Probably saw this 4-5 times a day, at least. Class 10 we only had 1, failed so often that the effort was not worth it.

Class 2 was slower, but no messages. With nodo it appears faster, very little lag or freezing. I also had the firmware installed this week, and i do see even more smoothness. All hangs or lags that were there with the 16g stock card are mostly gone...not all, but most. Dell is definitely much smoother.
[Venue Pro General] Ganondolf:
I have a UK dell venue pro with a 16gb card. the only hangs/freezing i get is when the wifi is on when downloading apps or videos from apps. (I only use wifi to download stuff from the marketplace and streem videos/music etc from apps as it drains battery and i have unlimited data for small info needed within apps). I now keep it off and turn it on when needs be. but when wifi is on it will freeze/hang 70% of the time when trying to acess marketplace to search and download stuff. of note when i have wifi on and dont acess the marketplace or download videoes in a youtube app it does not freeze.

I also get icon pics not appearing in the apps list when downloading big apps etc.

I have the following:

OS - 7.0.7390 NoDo

Firmware - 2250.1800.7355.210

Hardware - 112.576.2.0

My question do you think if i change the micro sd to a sandisk class 4 (or another class or make, please recommend) will it stop the freezing/hangs?

thanks

PS. With wifi off it never hangs or freezes and not had any other problems. Although never tried streaming or downloadong over data.
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
It's crazy that 4 months after the official US launch (5 months if you cound the few that were sold at MS Stores) that the problem still isn't fixed. Dell claims there is a new firmware that will resolves the lockups (http://twitter.com/LionelatDell/status/56798999700705280), but who knows at this point. Since the firmware is supposedly due soon, I'd hold out if you can since replacing the SD card will void the warranty.
[Venue Pro General] AmazinRacer:
what I don't understand is, my phone had copy and paste function since I bought it in Feb 2011 on eBay. (It came unlocked as well)
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
Earlier builds of NoDo were available to manufacturers before it was available as an update to existing devices. What OS version do you have? The latest NoDo is 7.0.7390.0
[Venue Pro General] raremage:
The interesting thing about firmware as a potential fix is this clearly is related directly to a set of 16 GB MicroSD cards. Changing out the card does fix the problem.

Back on-topic, I got the update through Zune with no hacking or slashing. Recently when I synced the phone I got a notification that an update was available. Zune backed me up, downloaded, installed, no problem. Wait, one problem, my sync kept failing after the update. I updated my zune software and rebooted both the phone and my PC and no more issues.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
don't confuse the build numbers. MS releases monthly builds to OEMs. The public updates are a collective of those updates.

For example, the first build of the CDMA build is 7355. I believe that was a December build. As December, January, February, March and April builds are put together, they have collective PUBLIC build numbers. 7389 was the release that Sprint had out. 7390 is the accepted NODO release. The next public release will bring all the numbers together....Sprint and others. I heard rumors about the Cert update, which everyone should get very soon.

I think the difference between 7389 and 7390 is a fix or 2, that will be caught up with the next update.

what is really interesting, is the firmwares. Don't know if anyone has noticed, but there are now 4 firmware versions. 7355.210 UK, 7355.205 India ROW, 7355.206 US release and the original 7004.104(?).

the 210 and 205 releases still indicate the WiFi and lags and freezes are NOT resolved. I have 206 and the lags and freezes are not as bad, but still do occur. So, I'm wondering what the new firware does fix, and why the WiFi issue is not resolved. I did see a new radio in it too.
[Venue Pro General] Ganondolf:
I have firmware 2250.1800.7355.210 (UK) and it only freezes with wifi on the marketplace.

I sent a private tweet to lional at dell asking if i will recieve a new firmware update too or if the firmware i had was the new one and he sent me a msg back saying he thinks it is the latest firmware and i wont get a new one.

ps. I have bought a 32gb sandisk class 4 card (people who bought it say its actually a class 2 card, im hoping there right) from play.com.

so hopefully when it comes u guys can help me out if i have and problems or questions about the sd card swap process.

one question that worries me is does my live email update from phone to net all my contacts and appoints (auto-sync)? as i can deal with getting the apps again but dont want to lose my contacts.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
As long as you saved the contacts to the windows live option when you created them they should be fine.

About the new card swap...remember...hard reset, then when power is down, pull battery and card. then reinsert battery and let it continue...do the setup. Then, hard reset, pull battery on reboot, insert new card, battery back in and power up, complete setup. You may want to hard reset again for the fun of it....but after that...no worries.

also remember, if you updated to NODO and had a backup, that backup will NOT work with the larger card. Restores only work with cards of the same size.
[Venue Pro General] Ganondolf:
ok, thanks for the step by step.

i do have a backup from when nodo was installed but thats no big deal as i can re-install nodo and the apps.

Last night it froze in marketplace and i had to pull the battery (normally holding down the power button for a long period turns it off). when i turned it back on it said no card found or card currupt, i then turned it back of and on again and it seemed fine. on looking at my phone today in the morning i noticed that the time and date was wrong and had to change it.

I think the stock card will cause me more problems the longer i keep it so a card swap seems the best option.
[Venue Pro General] raremage:
If you're going to swap cards, I suggest either a class 2 or class 4.

I played around with a SanDisk Class 6 32Gig recently to see if there was any improvement in performance. Had nothing but problems, including the phone forgetting it's configuration from time to time when I would reboot. I popped a Class 2 back in and everything is bak to working great.

The performance with a Class 2 is perfectly fine IMHO. Basically all the issues that I have with my DVP evaporated when I replaced the SD Card.
[Venue Pro General] raremage:
That's an interesting set of steps, I have done the following multiple times (basically eliminating a reboot step you have in there):

(1) Reset phone (Settings > About > Reset your phone)

(2) Let phone reboot, pull battery as soon as Dell logo appears

(3) Pull SD Card and insert new one

(4) Insert Battery and reboot phone

This process has worked for me every time, but you seem to have additional steps in there (rebooting without a card, resetting and doing an additional battery pull). Am I reading your steps correctly, and is there a reason you're doing it this way?

NoDo is apparently stored in ROM onboard the device after the upgrade, as when swapping cards I did not have to upgrade again. I did not try to restore though, just reinstalled everything from scratch.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
You are correct.....I add the extra step of rebooting without a card. You can skip this. I added it because of a situation where people are forgetting the hard reset part when changing cards. Its not required....as long as you remove the existing card via a hard reset.

Most update we see, are ROM updates. The ROM chipset is flashed to the new version. There is no way of going back...well there is, but thats a different conversation. think of all the updates you've done on other phones. They are ROM Flashes..using RUU or FUU or any of the other flashing processes. They are basically rewriting the ROM chip. this is not new for smartphones.

Nor is the NODO doing a selective backup. Its making an image copy of existing. The Restore option, available ONLY after you have this 'Backup', restores your device to a space in time, when the backup was made. It includes OS software and settings, apps, gamer scores, etc. Only thing I see the Restore NOT DO, is restore radio version. it will restore firmware version but not radio version.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] beston94:
INFO:

So I installed a couple of applications on my HTC HD2 WP7 But when I go to Zune it says that I only have 172.1 mb free and Reserved space and content from other computers (if any) 939.85 MB.

So just recently I've found something in the phone settings on Zune, some setting called reserved space and it is set to 5 % and could i change to more ? To get more space? or would it fvck up?

PS: Using a 2GB memory sd card.

Check the attached thumbnail to see the setting.

I would really appreciate it if anyone would help me with this.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] magawa:
+1 am also facing same :(
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] beston94:
Now I'm thinking should I switch to android or stay with Wp7 :/
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
you could change it to less to get more space, increasing the reserved space value would increase the amount of space used for .....whatever the hell its used for, i havent a scooby what its reserved for because even reducing it to 0% still leaves a big chunk reserved, i suspect its something like a page file? or there abouts, a chunk of data that is used by the system, 2GB SD card is quite a bit smaller than the smallest propper WP7 devices available so perhaps it wasnt a consideration of Microsoft
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] beston94:
So basically I should get a 8GB sd card? If so please tell me which one would be the best one on Amazon.co.uk

Thanks
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
ahh now here is the problem

dispite what others may say there isnt a list of supported cards

2 identical cards may or may not work, one might, the other might not

Statisticaly you should have more luck with a 8-16GB class 2 or 4 card but thats not to say the one you get will work, of course you are also likely to buy a 16GB class 10 that works, but there is less chance of that happening.

Im not going in to it all just now but its possibly down to random access speeds rather than the rated sequential speeds, but thats an educated guess still because nobody is really sure.

So statistically speaking you will have more luck with a class 2-4 card, ive personally had more luck with sandisk but again that is just me and not perhaps what you would see.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] lolmensch:
Update!!!!

RUU_Schubert_HTC_Europe_1.69.401.01_Radio_5.54.09.21_22.33b.50.10_Signed_SCHUBERT_RELEASE WITH NoDo

RUU_Mozart_HTC_Europe_1.30.401.01_5.54.09.21_22.33b.50_RELEASE WITH NoDo

old:

New Build on XDA original thread. perhaps some chefs can go hands on ^^

Confirmation leaked from HTC 7 PRO

source of the leak

this relates to DEVELOPMENT before anybody can flame me :D

cheers

EDIT: seems like a reloc tool is used to get it booted. DFT will release it but it isn't clear when it will be.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] TheATHEiST:
Cool, hopefully DFT will release a port soon so we can test it out :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] CrAzYiaN:
Nice to hear it's leaked already, time for devs to do there work. :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] lolmensch:
They can't as long as cotulla/dft doesn't release the reloc tool... :(
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] CrAzYiaN:
my mistake, meant time for the DFT to crack it up and make a new rom :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] smuppy:
Sounds interesting.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] m_yousufi:
i thing new update is coming soon..........
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] Atomos33:
Does someone has any update about the developpement?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] lolmensch:
we are still waiting for this reloc tool afaik... :(
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] jianototi:
Great news, excellent effort reading Chinese :D

tnx mate
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] lolmensch:
Chrome translates it ;) and the op of the other thread is working on his own reloc tool as he don't wanna wait for cotulla. Cotulla has some lose view on etas :D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] OndraSter:
I am trying to work on reloc, but I need someone who knows a bit about it, as there are some questions that can't be answered from US patents or MSDN or anything probably.

The questions is, if I have to just adjust the imageinfo.bin or I have to go through .reloc section and reloc by the content of this section all the other sections (just more trouble in the way, but it wouldn't take that much time still) too.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] pack21:
Waiting for this, to start using WP7s like is supose to be, with copy/past feature.... give me some juice :D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] shaliuxin:
let's expecting
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zarathustrax:
Is multitasking suppose to be in the Nodo update? Or is that for the following update. When I was reading about it, it sounded like multitasking would be coming soon.