yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Logseman:
I'm absolutely astonished at what certain people have written here about Joël (Darky).

Supposedly he is in a greedy pursuit of donations, he markets his ROM as being Gingerbread and, last but not least, the fact that he markets his ROMs displaces other ROMs.

I could rant and decry people who are spreading this kind of FUD, but I believe his words and deeds speak in his defense much better than my prose ever could.

In his XDA threads and his forum he has made a point of never criticizing other devs/chefs and defending all of them as productive folks set on improving our phones, as you can see in this very thread, and he has offered his cooperation to some: Juwe and webstar come to my mind now, plus the thread where he shared how he built his Odin ROM. Pretty strange for someone who would be dead set on pushing other chefs away, ain't it?

He has never gone out of his way to ask for donations, nor has he ever deceived people making them think features were included which weren't there. He doesn't lure about what he can and cannot do. He's never tried to equate himself to coders like the kernel devs. In fact, as he has acknowledged out, he had sought out for a team of people who can do what he cannot (the whole Darky app and so on).

His only serious mistake was the infamous 2.3.2 build.prop in v8.1, which was acknowledged as a mistake and removed from every other release since. Will you folks let him live it down?

Any informed opinion and critique of the ROM is fully valid (and possibly Darky will read it and ask you what you would like to improve), but the ad hominem arguments can't simply work here: Darky is essentially a good man and he shows it. He probably exaggerates his commitment to us, and I hope that doesn't take its toll on his private life.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tkalli:
Best comment on this subject posted.

Everyone is different and likes different things.

Some like to fill the phone with apps than complain about battery drain.

Others use a minimal amount of apps.

Darkyy, Doc, DamianGto and many others spend what time they can to help

everyone here.

Appreciate what they do and use the ROM or Kernel that suits you best.

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[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jetpackjeff:
If having a signature with multiple links for donations is not "going out of his way" I am not really sure what is. There is a donation button already in the name caption and anything more than that is sort of fishing. Frankly, I have a problem with multiple-line signatures anyways but that is a forum setting and it would be up to the moderators and admins to "fix" that "problem".

I just think it is fairly over-hyped for what it is and IT DOES steal some of the limelight on other developers who are focusing on something that is slimmer and more streamlined than Darky's attempts. He has done very little innovation this far and mostly has piggybacked off of the work of others (R64, Supercurio, Hardcore, etc).

There is also no way that the 2.3.2 build.prop was a mistake; it may have been a regret, but definitely not an accident. It had to have been intentional and had to be in order to appear as though someones phone was running Gingerbread in order to show off to friends.

By the way, I haven't personally bashed Joel, It is and should not be about that. I realize he spreads good word to other developers and is a genuinely nice fellow, but I just don't like what he is doing and his inexperience shows in multiple ways. I wish developers from other sections on xda would come and chime in on this. The Darky "revolution" is just that, it may be a revolution to some; some who have no experience with custom firmware, but it is definitely not revolutionary in a sense that is not adding anything to the community or getting us faster/quicker/and better battery life.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Logseman:
I meant that, while it was intentional, he rapidly realized it was wrong to number it that way. I meant "mistake" in the sense of "something he shouldn't have done".

The rest of the points I agree with, however those are devs' and chefs' choices IMO. Certainly even though the coding and GFX work are not his (something he promptly acknowledges in his credits' sheet) the man does spend hours making the choices for components that satisfy his criteria, promoting his product and giving support for it. We probably have contrary visions on whether his more entrepreneurial ways are good or bad, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree there.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leadingthenet:
Both are really good, but I personally prefer Darky's, however you should use the one you like most.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mr_at_sgs:
Docs ROM needs no hyping or marketing words, it simply the best choice. Remember apple is hyped too.

Sent from xda-powered Galaxy S
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] renatofontes:
I used darky at first because I didn't have to set any options for it. It was quick and easy. After a while I started having battery drain issues... So I switched to Doc's rom... It's really good =)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nzroman:
Asking for a comparison of roms is like asking for a comparison of themes - all depends on user preference. :>
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atomic339:
Dock is very good, but you shouldn't install jpy modem. I have a big problem with battery od this and don't use theme from kitchen. There are old version of them

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[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] racerboy3801:
I dont find any loss with jpy, it all depends on your setup

Sent from that Green Robot Device with a 4"screen, chewing on some froyo(with an extra .1)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silashack:
Ignore the bull****

ensure your device works 100%

and just try them...

I am not you, and you are not me, to each his own.

Each one takes what 30 mins tops, so if you sat down now, you could have tested all the latest ones on here in less than a day, you know in seconds if you like it, living with it, that takes a little longer.....

And then you can add your own themes as well, not THAT really stirs the piss pot up LoL
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Soniboy84:
God, both guys works on their ROM to make OUR LIFE EASIER!

You won't get rich from donations, trust me!

Personally I've tried DOC from the very beginning, and just a week ago I switched to Darky(9.2) to see how it goes. My phone was actually never so smooth as before, and I'm satisfied with the look as well!

The battery life is killing me tho(40% loss 8 hours on idle). I'm using voodoo lagfix from clockwork, and the kernel is also voodoo. Should I give a try to hardcore?(I was using doc's with that one). Would it be better battery life and still the same smoothness?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DamianGto:
I feel it strange when people say darkyy don't do much.

I think you all should sit down and think some.

This is how i see it.

If you want to do something then do it.

If you don't have the skill you need to get some help from a person that has that skill.

You can build a team to get all skills you need to get to the goal you have.

It has worked for Steve jobs so it should work for others.

If you guide your team good then you also have the product you want in the end.

Some people will like it but some will not.

But in the end you must be proud of your product and have a high goal to make the best you can.

If you have done that then it don't matter what other people say.

**DamianGTO Ultimate kernel. 350MB Ram. 600HZ. all ext2. Steam Rom. Js5**
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g00ndu:
The problem here is it ain't easy to form a team. :D No offence, but would you wanna be in supercurio's team, if he decides to form one?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DamianGto:
Its never easy to form a team. You need to find the right persons that also share your view on how things shall be.

Well i did teamed up with webstar and form ultimate team. I also know that has now other members that is very good on the things they do. Skills that i lack.

No i would not join supercurios if he ask.

The reason for that is that we have different view on things.

**DamianGTO Ultimate kernel. 350MB Ram. 600HZ. all ext2. Steam Rom. Js5**
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marcon10:
Maybe cause u didnt configure the battery so nothing rong with it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Weymaster:
I use Darky and it works fine for me. I see no reason to change.

As a user I prefer to invest as little time as possible in getting my phone to work. I wish that the stock FW worked well, so I didn't have to use a custom one and investig time in learning how to install them and such.

SGS is my first Android phone and it was a bit of a challenge for me to switch to custom roms. Darky was the one who's thread was clear enough to invite a noob like me to actually switch risking voiding the warranty and leaving my phone useless.

So yes, I don't know the technical details or anything but Darky has enable people with little experience to do more with their phones. It does have merit. You can call it marketing or whatever. He did something right and he is doing well.

Don't hate.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Darkyy:
Exactly. It's comparable to Apple.

Steve Jobs can create a hype around his products. But did you guys ever wonder WHY? To create a hype, the product has also to be good. If it wouldn't be good, the hype wouldn't be a hype.

I'm trying to make everything easier for people who don't have such an experience / knowledge as some may have. And to reach the people I want to have as my "users" I need to use some marketing tricks.

Remember, that I'm just 18 and I do this for free. I have so much else to do, but I'm still supporting this. I'm answering over 20 emails every day only related to my ROM.

There are always people who love and hate you.

Sent from Darky's Xtreme Edition Version X.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DamianGto:
He is a big visionary and he believe in the things he do. That he has my full respect.

But i can't say a love his product.

Maby you don't have all skills, but who has that?

The main thing is that we love what we do and will be proud of our work and try to do our best.

If someone don't like it then they can ****off;-) and do something better that they like.

You are 18 and i have more then 30 years of programming experience. But that means not much in the end. The last product you make is that what people knows.

**DamianGTO Ultimate kernel. 350MB Ram. 600HZ. all ext2. Steam Rom. Js5**
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Darkyy:
Very good words!

I'm not even a programmer, I'm just interested in Android :)

Sent from Darky's Xtreme Edition Version X.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g00ndu:
It has been pretty civil so far, and to DamianGTO, I take my hats off you for your reply. :)

I think the most important point here is: Whatever the developers do, be it small, trivial or sometimes even one might think it is useless, they did it for 1 thing in their mind. That is : To improve the user experience of the SGS. Yes, opinions differ, flamebaits more often being thrown out, but nevertheless taking all the subjectives out, I can only say that those who generally visit this forum, will have benefited a lot, and that includes me.

So to the OP, I do hope you have a feel of the different roms out there. The important thing is to try it out yourself. The best thing is that you can easily change from one rom to another, even better than changing your underwear! :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] racerboy3801:
I have to disagree. Im 15 and already a doc beta tester

Sent from that Green Robot Device with a 4"screen, chewing on some froyo(with an extra .1)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Soniboy84:
Darky is 18?

Whoaa, respect man!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wanam:
I have just flashed with Docs, the first problem i have with this ROM is that it doesn't support arabic language, Quadrant score is now 1200 with speed kernel (i had 1430 with same kernel + Darky 9.3 b3).

Restoring Darky backup...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Darkyy:
Quadrant Score doesn't matter ;)

Arabic should work with Docs ROM (depends on what framework base he's using).

Because the Arabic Patch relies on /system/framework/framework.jar where the localizations reside, the base has to be equal.

Sent from Darky's Xtreme Edition Version X.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChrisSBG:
I use darkys as my normal daily driver rom. But i switch around a lot as I want to try new things -> currently playing around with CM7 but about to flash Serendipity to check out whats going on there.... :D

This thread would have been a flamewar if it had been labeled XXXX vs Cyanogen. Thank god it turned out the way it did. :cool:

Thanks to the devs here on XDA for their work you guys just rock!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zolah:
OK... a few points...

1) Try and keep this thread friendly and constructive because this is a dangerous thread...

2) For the people poking at Darkyy's work and trying to punch holes in it. Did your mother ever tell you if you havent got anything nice to say dont say anything. It would be just as easy to say " I prefer........ work to Darkyy's because i think Darkyy's rom still needs more work in certain areas rather than saying... " Darkyy is a donation leech with no skills that brings nothing new to the table" WTF is that????

3) The people that are flameing... Could you and would you be able to do what Darkyy does for FREE? My guess is probably not so dont talk about someone elses work until you bring something "revolutionary" and "amazing" to the table yourself.

Sorry for my rant but some things that are said really wind me up. My phone is 200% better since i bought it thanks to the people in this forum, and i see no reason they should be put down. If it wasnt for these people we would all still be running laggy ugly stock roms and hating the decison to buy a Galaxy S.

ALL DEVS / CHEFS DESERVE OUR FULL RESPECT FOR WHAT THEY DO!!! THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOUR PHONE BETTER FOR YOU FOR FREE!!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark204:
my first custom rom was darky's rom 9.2,very easy to install,never looked back love it keep up the good work DARKY

MARK204
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Som fair words for Darky

You are wrong! I did not do revolutionary thing, pointing out what was not right is also a constructive thing, and don't mistake that was lose respect to other work. And it was you who was flamming contrary to what you said at the first line. Darky ROM use too much hypes which are not worthy to his ROM and some people donot like it. It is the fact, just accept it. "it's pure awsome" LOL.

Darky rom works well and he leads well his team, he do thing that many cannot. The hype is darky style (Apple like) and it's not so bad to motivate his young team. And do not say that he stole the work of other because, he always mention and thanks to the people who did the mod.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Darkyy:
I don't like the "pure awesome" too.

People are already making new logo's for me.

Btw: my team is not young - only me.

Sent from Darky's Xtreme Edition Version X.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iainwith2is:
Hi,

Whats the best/safest way to change from 1 custom rom to another? I've tried searching the forums but haven't come up with anything!

Do I have to go back to stock before flashing a new custom rom?

Thanks in advance.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
No not unless the rom you have is causing problems .

My general rule is if i have problems with a rom then its wipe and format phone flash back to Eclair via Odin .

No problems then i just build a new rom in the rom kitchin and flash it .

jje
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iainwith2is:
Thanks JJEgan, I'm not having problems, I just fancy a change.

Can i flash a new custom rom from CWM from any existing custom ROM then?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigkaz:
Just a thought I want to share with great people.

Every smartphone I owned had a custom rom, or was hacked this way our another whenever possible. I used every version of Symbian, WM, Android that was on the market. White or black. Times changed a lot. Rules changed a lot. Now everyone starts to realise how limited and precious Time is. In real life you have to pay for things, you have to live, pay for a dinner with nice bird... Doing something that you love and get paid is usually our biggest dream but not many people follow that dream. Accusing someone that he is greedy for placing 'donate' links for decent chunk of his life spent on certain projects is just silly. Blaming someone for a good marketing it's just jelousy.

Greetings

Kaz

Ps. Juwe is doing nice job with his ROM and Darky is there to help him as I understand.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rubbinio:
Completely agree with you. I did the same thing. I was scared of braking my phone so I did a lot of reading about people having issues, phone bricking, etc. so I was terrified. I looked at 3 or 4 ROMS that seemed to get a lot of support here and in the end I ended up with Darky because of the very simple and clear way to install it.

The APP he has now for configuring the ROM before you flash it and the ODIN flash option make it, at least for me, the perfect ROM for someone who is having his first Android phone.

That being said, I use Darky with SpeedMod kernel and Generation X Red theme, Juice defender and I get almost 48 Hours out of my battery.

All in all I have a ton of respect for all the guys building custom roms. I wish I knew how to do it .... ;)

Like everyone says though, try and see what works for you. But if this is your first install I would say Darky is the way to go because of the clear way to install it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RimmerCZ:
If it wasn't darkys resurection edition, I'd would return the company's galaxy s and buy some other heavy junk from HTC. Now thank to Darky when I'm leaving the company I insisted I want to buy the company's phone that I've been using with the stock 2.1 and 2.2 making me crazy and very unhappy for 6 months. After doing the flash (would never be able to do it the hard non resurection way) the phone is like blessing from heavens, completely different experience. Thanks Darky, you made my life a little bit better ;)

So I second to Darkys ROM
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aadis:
both are good and thanks to both cos they make our phone alive
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ccrows:
Noob question, but what's wrong with Cyanogen?... :confused:
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ViperFUD:
Hey all.

(Apologies if this thread is in the wrong forum/should be a continuation of another thread ... I haven't been here for 2 years or so and it didn't seem right to post this in the sticky.)

I set up an alternative APN as per the instructions, and it works fine. Have data connection, can make calls, etc.

However, when I try to set up the Wireless Hotspot option on the phone, it seems to take forever. It pops up a message saying (essentially) "Make sure you have permission to do this. Also it will drain your battery," and then it starts setting up the hotspot.

The problem is, I've been sitting at "Setting up data link" for about 10 minutes now, and I can't cancel it unless I reboot the phone.

Is anyone else having this problem? How long does the hotspot enable take you guys?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dunn32:
Make sure that as the APN Type you enter "default"
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ViperFUD:
Christ, I accidentally hit "tab" and lost my whole reply. Gonna try to recreate it.

I saw that in the stickied thread. I couldn't update my post because I am apparently not verified and need to wait 5 minutes between posts, and I needed to drive to work.

For reference, here's the post that talks about that:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11553692&postcount=245

But then I have the same problem as this guy:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11561034&postcount=261

It seems some people have had success with repeated reboots ... going to try that now.

For the record, here are my settings:

Name: AT&T

APN: wap.cingular

Proxy: <not set>

Port: <not set>

Username: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM

Password: CINGULAR1

Server: <not set>

MMSC: http://mmsc.cingular.com

MMS proxy: wireless.cingular.com

MMS port: 80

MCC: 310

MNC: 410

Authentication type: <not set>

APN type: default
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] topshelfusa:
I get the same error about calling 611, I have the iphone unlimited plan so PHONE and PDPWAP1 apns are set up on network side. There seems to be a check script that runs before the hotspot turns on :(

Hope y'all figure this out, it is past me.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] co.ag.2005:
for me, having "default" set in APN type gave me the message to call 611 to activate. However, with my APN set up exactly how it appears in that stickied thread, it would just hang on setting it up. However, I just kept trying it, between reboots, and it finally launched the hotspot. I changed the settings and applied WPA security...

so, for me, it didn't work right out of the gate, but stick with that APN in the other thread and be patient. turn it on and wait... if it takes "too long", reboot and try again. It did finally turn on when I was at my office (full 5 bars of service, strongest "3G" signal in town) vs. at my fiance's house where I only have 1-2 bars of 3G (ok, H+) where I tried to first launch hotspot (and it hung on "setting up data link").
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ViperFUD:
I've tried restarting the phone 3 or 4 times.

I also have a grandfathered unlimited data plan (my last phone was the Tilt - TytnII, so that shows you how long it's been since I've bothered screwing with phones and stuff).

Does anyone who's gotten the hotspot to work have unlimited data?

[edit]Also, I haven't rooted my device yet. Has anyone gotten the hotspot to work without rooting?

Thanks.

~Viper
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] co.ag.2005:
I have the unlimited data plan and have been messing with this stuff a while too ;)

edit: oh, and I'm rooted. Not sure if that matters, but it might.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rjohnstone:
I figured out how to kick start the hotspot without multiple reboots.

Set the APN as described and then start the hotspot.

When you get the message that it's setting up the link, go and manually start up WiFi... it will kill the hotspot. Then go back and enable the hotspot while WiFi is on.

It will kill WiFi and start the hotspot without issue.

I only had to do this once.

I've found that if WiFi is enabled before you start the hotspot feature, it works fine.

Whenever WiFi is off, the hotspot has issues starting up.

It's almost like there is a call in the hotspot initiation sequence that wants to kill WiFi before running, but hangs if the WiFi service is already disabled.

Anyway... this worked for me, your mileage may vary.