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[Defy General] [] AL []:
Hi there all dev heads!

First post here so please bare with me...I have a headache after reading so many threads here...at least I'm willing to learn...

Here's my situation:

I'm a happy owner of a Moto Defy for a week now and before I go ahead and jump onto the rooting and the flashing bandwagon, I would like clear indications on what is possible to achieve, how to do it, what to expect and what not to do on my Defy.

Here are what I'm really after:

A) I want to know if there is a real "not de-blurred" stock (not OC at 1MHz) Chinese ROM that I can flash back to if anything fails don't the road? I know about the bootstraped recovery, but if I ever have to use RSD flashing, I'd like to start from official Chinese Motorola ROM and avoid losing my flash, email, SMS or what not...I'm in China afterall!!

B) I want to know if there is any way for me to use the magic of rooting/flashing to get my desktop VPN to work on my defy --> really I want this to be able to use Skype over wifi when I'm in my house. The Great firewall and Motorola seem to work together to block this possibility and let all the phone carriers controlled by "The Party" make money with the state-controlled carriers by not allowing any VoIP apps on the Defy. My VPN seems to 'lock in' [I see a key on the top taskbar] but I cannot access internet on the 2 browsers I tried [stock and Dolphin HD]. Do I need 'tun' or something??

C) I succesfully used an update.zip on my un-rooted phone to get a working Android market (as oposed to the stock and very limitted Chinese market) but what about being able to use the applanet market? Is it really worth rooting and maybe flashing just to do so?

All that I've seen so far here applies to 1) people living outside China and mainly not limitted by Chinese carriers or 2) people running with ROMs or Nandroids pre-Froyo. I'm not too bottered by Blur since I don't use 3G, social networks or ever data over 2G at the moment --> I connect only using my wifi.

I do understand the advantage of customizations and I sure would like to improve my battery usage by using something like Frozen-xx to use some sort of 'speedstep' on the processor [I find that downclocking under low cpu usage much more attrative than just OC for good quadrant scores...] but that will come maybe one day when I'm fully confident about all that is involved prior to get there. [i don't know what geodex and tun are exactly and I've never used adb backup, recoveries or flashing yet...]

So what is your take on this? Especially my 3 main points A, B C ??

Any Gurus here that can comment on this?

I know that there is a lot of the Defy dev't that originated from here in China, so is there anyone from China that really know what I specifically can do and hope to achieve?

Thanks all for your input and long live xda-dev !!

[Sorry for the long post but don't be shy to put a lot of info as well - the more explanation, the better for me ;) ]
[Defy General] [] AL []:
my findings...

I will write a reply to my own questions since someone in a similar situation might find my findings helpful one day...

A) So far, I'm happy with Froyo and can live with MotoBlur since I don't use any sort of sinch'ing. So I'm still not rooted and the standard reset recovery allows me to keep my stock ROM available.

B) VPN on the Defy requires a VPN without encryption to work - plain and simple! I checked with my desktop VPN supplier and they do have 3 specific VPN servers dedicated to smartphones and where encryption is turned off. So I was able to switch to one of those and I'm now over the Great Firewall!!

As for Skype over Wifi, you can only install it if you're within US or Canada. But with the magic of my VPN described above, I could download and install it easilly. The even greater news is that once it's installed, I no longer need to use the VPN to use it --> just over my livingroom's wifi and I'm doing calls!!

C) Like mentioned in the original post, I had the original Chinese market, updated to the standard Android market APk from an update.zip found here on xda-dev and I also found out that no rooting is required to use applanet market:D. [Althought if you're planning to use apks that require it, then you'll have to do it]

I'm now a happy camper with my Defy :p

If anyone would like pointers to a good VPN provider, write to me and I can use the referral service from mine [send them your email from my account] and that would give me some credits with them...

Cheers! And keep up developing!!
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tadwitte:
Since this morning, I can't send any more text messages on my htc HD7

Anyone else have this problem? Any solutions?
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tadwitte:
Totally my fault, problem has been fixed.

This thread can be ignored.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adilici:
Hi. I have the same problem with my Samsung Omnia 7 and a friend of mine has it on an LG Optimus 7.

How did you solve it?
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xirsteon:
Make sure data and/or 3g is turned on.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bnlf:
whats data has to do with text messages? unless its mms, sms should have no problem sending/receiving wihtout data on.

am i wrong?
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] amtrakcn:
You are right.

I once encountered such can't sent message problem. It was because of poor signal. I cannot make phone calls at that time either.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tadwitte:
My carrier made it impossible for me to send text messages. It was a mistake on their behalf and the problem got fixed.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaveTiffTaylor:
I have the same problem, I have some clues but not the answer. I only can’t send a sms/text if I create / enter the mobile no from my Windows Live account!

In the below tests I am using the same mobile no

Test 1

I create a new contact on my Windows Live account (web browser) and enter a mobile no, I sync my phone with Hotmail and the new contact appears on the phone. When I send an sms I get the message "can't send message try again"

Delete that contact from all locations

Test 2

I create a new contact on my PC using Outlook, and enter a mobile no, (I have the Hotmail plugin) , I send/receive from outlook. I sync my phone with Hotmail and the new contact appears on the phone. When I send an sms it goes through fine.

Delete that contact from all locations

Test 3

I create a new contact on my phone and enter a mobile no. When I send an sms it goes through fine.

Delete that contact from all locations

Test 4

As no Test 1 Windows Live account, sync with phone When I send an sms I get the message "can't send message try again". Now edit phone and delete mobile no, re-enter mobile no on phone. When I send an sms I get the message "can't send message try again"

So conclusion

Its not the phone number format, but must be something in the contact information that Windows Live creates. Any ideas please.

I Have HTC Mozart, with Mango and using O2 (Uk)

Re Dave
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cybermo:
Change the system locale

change the system local in Settings>Region and Language>System Locale

To a lamguage that support an accented character
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaveTiffTaylor:
In which software do we change settings - phone, Internet Explorer Outlook ?

Please explain

Re Dave
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cybermo:
In the system settings, the main settings.

I think that sometimes having accentuated letters causes thaf issue. That was my case.p
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eiabea:
Hey,

i just want to understand the structure of this phone, so i can i compare it with a normal PC, or how far can it compared with a PC

the bootloader is more or less the BIOS, and in our case, it is locked, but what mean "locked". Are we simply unable to change the "boot order"??

What is xRecovery, something like the "Safe-Mode" in Windows?

Why we are able to hit the back button to enter xRecovery, although the bootloader is locked

Why is it so difficult to make the camcorder work? Because we just overwrite the stock firmware from SE with FreeX10 or any other ROM

:confused: :confused:

cheers
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PoTi_96:
naja so einfach geht das nun auch wieder nicht...

xrecovery wird durch die chargemon datei beim drücken der zurück taste hervorgerufen (bevor android startet)

man kann es nich einfach mit nem PC vergleichen

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that's not so easy

you'll get into xrecovery (through the chargemon.txt)when your pressing the back button

you can't complain it with a PC
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eiabea:
lol is my english really so bad xD

but thx ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PoTi_96:
naja so einfach geht das nun auch wieder nicht...

xrecovery wird durch die chargemon datei beim drücken der zurück taste hervorgerufen (bevor android startet)

man kann es nich einfach mit nem PC vergleichen

EDIT: wir können den bootloader umgehen aber wir wissen nicht WO er ist...

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that's not so easy

you'll get into xrecovery (through the chargemon.txt)when your pressing the back button

you can't complain it with a PC

EDIT: we can bypass the bootloader but we dont know WHERE he is ...
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PoTi_96:
omg 2 posts with different texts?? i just edited it... omg

haha no it's not bad but i think it's easier to write in german if both of us understands that :D

my english is bad :D
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Petarsson:
LOL austrian connection! :D

but if we can bypass the bootloader, why do we care where it is?! can't we ignore it then?

unfortunately i was raised with windows, so i know little about linux and how it works...:(

griass eich

p.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vito Andolini Corleone:
Lol this phone is nothing infront of my alienware m17x

Cheers!

AdY
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Buddha:
I use x10 for now, is an alternative for my MAC.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
Did you two above even bother to read the first post? He is looking to explain how the os and bootloader works/exists in the phone with computer terms so he understands it... Not compare it to his phone in terms of which is better... Ugh *shakes head*
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] compumasta:
It basically is a PC running linux but don't think of the bootloader as just the BIOS. Its different because it has direct control over loading the kernal. Windows has a kernal too but its not often talked about. Think if you had a windows 98 machine with that kernal of course and it was locked so you couldn't upgrade it to win XP. Now you could modify the windows 98 to look and behave more like XP but its still win 98 underneath. That's basically what the developers are doing.

And from what I can tell xrecovery is kind of like opening a dos shell with a GUI.

That's how I understand it, if anyone has corrections or better analogies feel free to add to what I started.

Sent from my Delorean using a flux capacitor!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eiabea:
a stone is a better alternative to a mac :D

THX! u understand me ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
I did understand, I must disagree on one thing though, macs are awesome computers!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] compumasta:
Actually a stone is best used on a Mac :D

Sent from my Delorean using a flux capacitor!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
meh only people that complain are those that can't afford one or have never had one ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] im_iceman:
My take on it is that the bootloader in Android is similar to the BIOS/ Bootstrap in Windows... but it's slightly different in that the older bootloaders aren't as capable and efficient as the newer ones... so certain features of the newer android versions either don't work, or don't work as well as they should because the underlying core is older.

So we can get "newer" OS's onto the x10 but the bootloader isn't 100% compatible with the OS..

The Camera/ Video problems - I don't know for sure but it's likely to be related to the fact that the Camera and video interfaces developed by SE hook into the hardware via the SE implementation of Android.. so without the SE layer inbetween the Hardware and the Camera App it doesn't work.. therefore the Devs are trying to bridge that gap.. and struggling by all accounts.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] shotgun32:
Darktremor apps2sd force all your apps to sd right. would you recomment it?

please teach me how to install it step by step.

Is there any good launcher i can use beside launcher pro with megatron rom. i most prefer we can create category in the menu. thanks and peace off
[Optimus One, P500, V General] shotgun32:
Hey guys, i really really need to put all my apps to sd card. i dont get it. my total phone memory is 199mb but i count all my downloaded apps that saved to my phone memory are just only 80mb.where does my 119mb goes? please guys help me
[Optimus One, P500, V General] kpbotbot:
Some goes to your cache, dalvik-cache, messages, pretty much anything else. Some are on the system partition.

Also, regarding the Darktremor question, I'm one of those people who would say no. Actually, it's up to you. I just stick to FroYo's way of doing it, since I get to have more control and stuff over what goes to the SD and what stays in the phone memory (eg launchers and keyboards).
[Optimus One, P500, V General] shotgun32:
For 119mb? thats too much. i think its bcos the megatron rom installed eaten up my phone memory.

Why you didnt recommend the darktremor? i just want to put my downloaded apps from the market that cant be move to my sd card. is that ok?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] andreamaisto:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=926015

download the last flashable .zip

partition your sdcard as explained in the "void rom" thread

put the .zip in the root of your sdcard

wipe everything

flash you rom,then the darktremor zip.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] shotgun32:
Thanks. but what does partition your sd card and wipe everything do? i always ignore that if want to flash things. btw im using megatron rom not void?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] akitos:
if your using megatron then darktremors a2sd is already part of the rom so u dnt need to install it. how many apps do u have anyways?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] shotgun32:
hmm but why some of my apps cant be put to sd card.

so far, i have installed 40 apps. only 15 of them cant be put in sd card. the rest in my sd card. but i had to delete 3 to free up my phone memory cause currently my phone memory is 19mb.

is there any other way? if there arent. then there is no point of having 8gb its better just to have 512mb sd card. grrrr
[Optimus One, P500, V General] andreamaisto:
well,if you have not partitioned your sd....there's no way the app2sd included in megatron can work!!

ok,make a backup of your sd,then in recovery mode select

partition sdcard > partiton sd

then select

partition sdcard > SD:ext2 to ext3

then select

partition sdcard > SD:ext3 to ext4

now it should work.

if it doesn't,reflash your rom after a complete wipe (you'll lose all your data and settings)
[Optimus One, P500, V General] shotgun32:
omg i have do all that, then when i reboot my phone. my scree goes blank. i must installed rom but how can i copt it to my sd card to install it. or teach how to install it from customre covery? helppp
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Jaylapeno:
Press the 3 key combo to get in (vol down + home + power) then use the volume buttons to get to USB-MS toggle. You use the menu button on the very right side of your phone to enter. It will allow you to copy the ROM from your pc to the sd card. Remember to exit USB mode afterwards.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I keep hearing people reference the idea that T-mobile has yearly upgrade options yet cannot find one single up-to-date reference to this.

I found this:

http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/T-Mobile-General/is-one-year-contract-extinct/m-p/693577

Which says that yearly contracts have been gone for almost a year and a half now.

The T-mobile site clearly states that you get an upgrade at 22 months with all of their listed individual and family plans.

http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/addons...PAsset=IncludedServices&tp=Svc_Sub_PhnUpgrade

So, please, someone enlighten me here.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Nobody has yearly upgrades except Sprint
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I'm really starting to believe that but I've seen people reference to T-mobile having it so I wanted to see proof.
[EVO 4G General] AbsolutZeroGI:
I was using Tmobile until january

22 month upgrades, no one ever mentioned a 12 month discount or upgrade ever to me.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
No body has yearly upgrades, except Sprint used to.

Fixed it for ya. :)
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Excuse me, Sprint may have changed the rules to it, but at least they still offer yearly upgrades.

Clarification for you:

To get the gold plan which comes with the yearly upgrade:

Users must have an individual monthly plan costing $89.99 or more or a family plan costing $169.99 (before any applicable discounts) OR 10 years of service with Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] tauzins:
umm tmobile did when i was with them last summer... you gotta askf ro it... its not something that they bring up
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I've heard that claim but can find no evidence to support that it still exists.

In fact, with the link I provided, it seems like it no longer does at all.
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
At least their data speeds are faster(where i am) and they have a great selection of smart phones.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Data speed issues with Sprint is a network issue that they're working on.

T-mobile's "great selection" is about the same [less the Nexus S because Google has free use of T-mobile's frequency band] as Sprint with the addition of a few more lower end phones.

If Sprint had T-mobile's "great selection" [again less the Nexus S] people would be whining about how Sprint has crappy phones.

Also, zmomg T-mobile doesn't have dual-cores!!1 :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] nyne7lac:
I had been with T-mobile for about 6 years up until last June when I switched to Sprint. I had a yearly upgrade the whole time. It was only $50 less than a 2 year upgrade price and I could never do it online or over the phone. I always had to go into the store and request a one year plan. They even offered it to me when again when I was porting my number out in June of 2010.

I'm not sure if it's still that way but that is how it was when I was with them.
[HTC Aria Android Development] zeyoner:
Looks like HTC released the Aria source code. HTC Aria – Froyo MR – 2.6.32 kernel source code
[HTC Aria Android Development] Gene Poole:
Just the kernel source. Not unexpected as the GPL requires it.

I've been looking through it. I suspect there'll be a FR009 soon with new kernel based on this source. I've already compiled one that is identical to the HK kernel some are using as a substitute for the kernel in FR008, only this one is overclockable.
[HTC Aria Android Development] DanGeorges:
Gene,

Any idea what the differences are between this latest release and the prior FroYo release by HTC? I'm guessing this is Aria-specific...
[HTC Aria Android Development] Gene Poole:
I've not been keeping up too much with Aria Froyo lately. I've been working with basically an FR005 with a custom kernel based on ATTN1's FR008 kernel source at github (which itself is based on the CM6 kernel with some hacks for the htc specific stuff to work) and it has been working well.

By prior Froyo releases, I guess you mean for other HTC phones? AFAIK, this is the first release by HTC of kernel source for the Froyo Aria (or more specifically the liberty since AT&T is still stalling on a Froyo release for the aria). Asian and European liberties (gratia) have been Froyo for awhile, but the kernel source for these hadn't been released until now.

I don't know if ATTN1 will get a new FRxxx ROM with this kernel out anytime soon; seems he's been working on the new AT&T Inspire lately.
[HTC Aria Android Development] tpbklake:
He just said that the kernel source is for the HTC Froyo 2.2 release and is identical to the HK kernel.
[HTC Aria Android Development] DanGeorges:
Thanks for the info - makes sense to me.

I've used the FR008 release, and it's very smooth. The only reason I went with CM7 is to check out the latest Android version -

Personally, I think the Aria is a speedy phone using any ROM. I actually like the Sense UI, and the email client (which offers pinch-to-zoom) and the browser (with visual multi-windows) are very useful.
[HTC Aria Android Development] DanGeorges:
I misunderstood. I thought he said, "I've already compiled one that is identical to the HK kernel." I didn't read into this that the HTC FroYo 2.2 kernal source just released is identical to the Hong Kong kernal.
[HTC Aria Android Development] Gene Poole:
All I did was take a .config from the HK kernel and build from source. That went fine. Then I just added the higher speeds to the cpu frequency table (to allow over-clocking) and compiled again. Installed on my aria and it works fine at 806 mhz. and I'm loving sense again. Haven't fully tested everything yet, but so far, so good.
[HTC Aria Android Development] DanGeorges:
Sounds like a good way to go -

Any way to generate a ROM zip file? I'd like to try it out...

:cool:
[HTC Aria Android Development] Gene Poole:
Here's what I'm running currently. Use at your own risk (nandroid first!):

http://hoxnet.com/droid/update_hoxnet-liberated_oc_kernel.zip

http://hoxnet.com/droid/update_hoxnet-liberated_oc_kernel_a2sd.zip

edit: better start naming these something useful as I may have to post more.

Update: this first one has the a2sd stuff stripped from init.rc for those like me who don't use it. If you use A2SD, use the second one.
[HTC Aria Android Development] DanGeorges:
Thanks Gene...

This is a really small zip file - can I install it right over CM7, or must I already have FR008 loaded? I'm guessing the latter...
[HTC Aria Android Development] Gene Poole:
This is just the kernel and ramdisk (commonly called the boot.img ). I don't know what it will do on a CM7 build. Maybe I'll try it. It's compiled based on the .config from the Gratia kernel (sometimes referred to as the HK kernel). It should be a drop-in replacement for the FR00x series up to FR008 (which had a CM6 based kernel). I don't run FR008, but I suspect it will work fine with that since many are using the HK kernel with FR008.
[HTC Aria Android Development] mircony:
I know this is off topic but, what chances do we have of someone porting the new sense.... I would like to try myself if its possible....
[HTC Aria Android Development] Gene Poole:
What is the "new" sense?
[HTC Aria Android Development] tpbklake:
HTC will not publish or release the Sense UI source code and the only devices that currently have HTC Sense 2.0 are the Desire Z and Desire HD which have a different screen resolution than the Aria, so trying to port the existing modules from those ROMs would be troublesome also.
[HTC Aria Android Development] Gene Poole:
I didn't know there was a sense 2.0. Maybe we'll see that on the Aria AT&T update supposedly out soon.
[HTC Aria Android Development] mircony:
I seen it ported to the desire from the desire hd, and it looks really nice.... kinda of see thru. So your saying it has to be ported from a phone with the same screen resolution?
[HTC Aria Android Development] tpbklake:
None of the HTC models from last year that have gotten a Froyo update have had the new Sense 2.0 (i.e. Desire, Wildfire, Aria). They have only shipped it on the new machines such as the Desire HD, Desire Z and HTC Inspire.

Yes I believe that is true. Both the Desire and the Desire HD are hdpi resolution models where as the Aria is mdpi resolution.