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[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Just got off the phone with sprint. Sounds like there geting a lot of calls about camera, 3g, phone lockingup to makeing calls & few bricking. But IMO the bricking is most likey just ppl that don't know what there doing.

I talked with sprint and he transfored me to samsuck. After I ended the call with samsuck. I dailed *2 to call sprint back and I got a bizy signal tryed 3 times then togeled airplane mode then the phone call went through.

So that's one more bug I found. Well as sone as I get back to my pc I'm flashing back to a DI18 backup I have that was running prity good.

The second sprint guy I talkd with. Wanted me to call back in the next few days and he seemed to think it was going to be fixed vary soon. I said I would call back in a week he seemed to tink (keyboard is still missing key presses) to was more tan enough time. I really hope he was not just BSing but I don't really have any fath in samsuck.

BTW the first guy had an Epic and his work budy next to him did to and they where just as upset. The other guy said he was on a V somthing rom from googleing stuff lol team Viper FTW ya

Sent from my ComBadge..
[Epic 4G General] BrianDigital:
im sorry guys i have an evo, but this is hilarious. My poor girlfriend i dont like to root her stuff cause she will be the one in a million that has some odd problem. So i put her on this from teh samsung installer off there site

Im sorry but its getting out of hand. I just dont understand if sammy upgraded other galaxy s phones and all have (well the important stuff) drivers already working wtf
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
I hear you Man. (With the GFS phone)

I got the sprint guy to say I could go trad my Epic for an Evo but I really like me Epic :-(

Sent from my ComBadge..
[Epic 4G General] snowmanwithahat:
Ditto.... Still on Dk28 and probably won't be switching just yet. I was telling myself I should hold out for an ACS EB13 build
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
Professional e-mails and long messages.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
This is exactly like the launch of the Xoom. They wanted to get it out there as quick as possible so they pushed out an update/tablet that simply wasn't ready.
[Epic 4G General] InfDaMarvel:
Looks like they must be rolling it out still with some updates on how to fix problems.
[Epic 4G General] abduljaffar:
lol. I agree. Carry on. Btw, the rom you are talking about to check it out, is the camera blue fixed or no? Otherwise don't waste our time suggesting other roms. All we angry epic owners want is froyo to ay least work add good as eclair. That's not much to ask right?
[Epic 4G General] nubecoder:
I don't see anywhere in that OP where it claims EB13 is being pulled.

They link to the samsung page to OTW update your phone even.

Someone please show me where it says they are stopping the update.

=]
[Epic 4G General] styckx:
It was pulled for a few hours. Many Android sites reported on it. Looks like Samsung in a knee jerk decision decided to yank it before finding out what was wrong with it. Then found out it was no biggy and put it back up.
[Epic 4G General] zetterwing:
I am happy so far with the release. Yes i can't use sports mode in camera... never used it before. I've only used video recording once or twice... so no issue there. My battery is stellar UNLESS I use the gallery. Same as dk28 some runaway sensor usage that blows the battery a bit. As soon as the market updates to show all my apps I'll be good to go. I did do the Sammy full wipe exe upgrade though. I think its a pipe dream but maybe Samsungjohn can get xda users as a testing ground for updates in the future so we can avoid this type of trouble.
[Epic 4G General] abduljaffar:
wut? Its back up? Oh no! That's not good for us! People who are CS are being told to hard reset to fix the problems! Eff u samsung! If you try to pull a htc ms7200 driver scam, last time I buy your crap. And I'm speeding the "buyers beware" slogan. Fix it!
[Epic 4G General] brian0wens:
I reverted back to di18 from dk28 using odin, applied eb13 as an update.zip file (someone posted a link to the update file on google's site), restored backed up stuff using my backup pro and I was 90% done in 30 minutes. Running a lot smoother now. This is the first I've heard of issues.
[Epic 4G General] nubecoder:
TY for this. Catches me right up.

=]
[Epic 4G General] Hasseo:
Yeah, I cannot get the OTA update anymore. The EB13 thingy is still up on Sammy's website though.

I'm just waiting for ACS to release SyndicateROM Frozen :3
[Epic 4G General] TheDub:
There are indeed a few bugs that will undoubtedly be worked out within a OTA patch or two.. but overall it's pretty decent.. Samsung is correct in saying "do a hard reset".. we are not having many issues.. because we are hard resetting basically... or hard flashing rather then ota's and patch files..

Sprint is just afraid of angry customers... well OTA's will never go perfect from one major android revision to the next unless said OTA completely wipes the phone... which would probably generate more phone calls then the few bad upgrades :D
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
+ 1000!
[Epic 4G General] Scrappy1:
It's becomming obvious Samsung is understaffed and overwhelmed. They have too many variants of Galaxy S, in addition to new product development, with limited firmware engineering. For this reason they strung us along singing "2.2 is coming soon" while working on other projects. After enough time and when overwhelmed by criticism on galaxy s 2.2, they threw some code together in a couple weeks and tossed us a tird. There's no other explanation why they're so late, and ALSO delivering 3rd rate firmware. HTC looking pretty good right now.
[Epic 4G General] hardrock121:
In our developer world..as long as there is a work around we dont back out code.. or claim it as a critical defect ;);););)

So i guess i can comfotably say if those are the only 2 issues these guys are seeing.. it can well be backlogged prioritized and picked up in the nxt iteration .. :D:D:D:D
[Epic 4G General] fredknex:
I haven't seen any of the data or sd issues, but eb13 didnt fix any of the "camera failed" or "wifi error" problems. Might as well have stayed on DK28
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
How about black screens. Touch sensor still working. Only way out is bat pull. Hears what's I SAY **** samsung Ftw. Never buy there crap. Wip ur samy monitors right at the samsuck devs and never buy there ****!!

Sent from my ComBadge..
[Epic 4G General] linxuzo:
Does the full wipe clear out clockwordmod? Were you rooted?
[Epic 4G General] zetterwing:
Yes...the full install with the Samsung exe is just like Odin. It starts over with everything. I was rooted...custom kernel and rom. Now I am stock eb13 and rooted. Hanging on to the rfs for a bit to see where everyone goes with the ne wroms though. Forgot to mention that i used one click to root and reinstall clockwork.
[Epic 4G General] vapur:
When I talked to sprint's second level support they told me the over the air update was messing up phones. Samsung is fixing the issue. They said they were not changing the code realse just the way the software is being sent over the air. They will resume over the air updates in March. If you want the updade now go ahead and download from Samsung and do it manually.
[Epic 4G General] Darkk69:
Thanks for the info. Basically tells me that devs here can fix the problems while they can't or don't want to? Nice.

Time for me to find a custom ROM based off of EB13 with the fixes already done by the devs. :)

Darkk
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gibsonusa:
Flashed frost and noticed that the radiation orchestra ring tone is gone. Wondering where to get it it what not.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] maartenlaeven:
Hello,

I have the next problem:

When i'm scrolling down in an app like applanet, market or another app, and then click an app, and next go back to the list, my phone loads the list again and starts at the top of the list.

So it doesn't remember where I was. It's not just with scrolling down a list, also with other apps when i press the back button it just starts reloading the screen before and forgets where i was.

I also have a stock sgs here and that DOES remember these things.

Does anyone know a solution or where the problem could be?

Ps. I am on darky's rom and speedmod kernel 13a
[Xoom General] treymcm:
It took me over an hour to walk out with the Xoom, but I managed to do it without having to pay an activation fee and I got the Future-Proof Buy Back contract, where they give you 50% back free if you upgrade within a year (it starts prorating after that.)

Here's what I did. First, I started out by asking if I could get a gift receipt for this since it wasn't for me. They of course said, no problem. I acted a bit worried and asked if they were sure, and they said yes. This set me up for later when we got to the activation part. I told them that this was a gift for my boss, that a bunch of us had pooled our money together as a going away present since he was leaving the company. (This was all made up, the tablet is for me.)

When we got to activation, I asked if they could just hold off on that part because I didn't want the account to be under my name, I wanted it to be under my boss'. They suggested a gift card for the amount of the tablet, but I said, who wants to open a gift card as a present? I said that he would be definitely be in today right after work since he's a gadget freak and will want to use it immediately, so it's just a matter of a few hours. That sounded logical to them, so they bypassed that and went on with ringing it up. One down, one to go.

I then mentioned that I had read that the Buy Back program free promotion had been extended to Feb 26 and that it not only applied to smartphones, but tablets as well. But the machine rang it up at the regular price of $69.99. The problem is that their website only specifies the smartphone and not the tablet exception. I then pulled out a copy of the Best Buy press release from the 14th where the president of Best Buy Mobile states that tablets are included, too. The manager had to call the regional manager who ruled that the press release was valid, but it only applied to Best Buy Mobile stores, not the regular ones. The nearest one for me is like 150 miles away. So, he apologized but then said there was nothing he could do.

Just before the guy finished ringing me up, I took another look at the press release. In it, it said that the promotion applies to all 'Best Buy and Best Buy Mobile' stores. I got the manager to come back and read it. He then brought in the overall store manager who showed him that he could pull up the official press release by going to any stock site that lists Best Buy (I think the letters are BBY). He read the same thing and told the first manager to give the Buy Back contract to me for free. :D
[Xoom General] agonzalez1010:
Freaking brilliant! Thanks for the heads up!
[Xoom General] djunio:
I was told 30 for the buy back but there's always eBay
[Xoom General] unknown_owner:
Where on the BBY website is the press release. Trying to get to it before they remove it.
[Xoom General] socomdark:
you crafty son of a bish. nice one:cool:
[Xoom General] unknown_owner:
Here is the link in case anyone needed it

http://www.bby.com/2011/02/14/best-buy-extends-buy-back-program-offer-to-future-proof-smart-phone-purchases-for-free-through-feb-26/
[Atrix 4G General] mgymnop:
I just tested the multitouch capabilities of the Atrix. It only registered two fingers? wow I have expected that it will recognize at least 4.....I don't play games on my phone so I don't worry too much but still it leaves a bitter taste...
[Atrix 4G General] waltah!:
You can't really use more than 2 fingers on a 4" screen anyway unless you have tiny hands.
[Atrix 4G General] dumasymptote:
Why would you ever need 4 point multitouch on the atrix to begin with... I mean of all the things to complain about this is the lame...
[Atrix 4G General] mgymnop:
First of all. I wasn't complaining. I just wanted to test how accurate the multitouch is because I am a former N1 user and the multitouch sucked. It was more by curiosity that I tried 3 fingers. I had also a Nexus S and a MT4G and they could register several fingers. I thought that all newer touch sensors were multi finger enabled...

BTW I like my Atrix very much and the screen responsiveness is better than on my HTC devices that I had.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
from the build.prop file, it says 2 max touches.

I tried to change the value to 4 but it still would only register 2.
[Atrix 4G General] SS2006:
wierd my Nexus S allowed 5

and htc desire HD allowed 4

i think newer screens would allow more, not that it matters

just curious
[Atrix 4G General] jgalan14:
Is by brand is not HTC so don't expect the same I guess it does suck tho , oh well
[Atrix 4G General] mgymnop:
I looked at the fixit site and they say it is the same sensor as in the Nexus S: Atmel mXT224. But this beast should have unlimited touch according to the manufacturer. Interesting maybe it is disabled software wise.
[Atrix 4G General] snlu178:
As a former N1 user, this touch issue is not important. What is important is it registers two independent touches and never confuses them.

Why is this important? Virtual game joystick and buttons. You will never use more than two touches for that.

Yes there are a few games or apps that can do more than two touches and it is disappointing to not have that enabled. But we will almost never notice this.
[Atrix 4G General] phobos512:
This has already been proven for the Atrix (that it treats multitouch correctly); read about it a few days ago on this very forum.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11540136&postcount=56
[Atrix 4G General] novaIS350:
The Atrix has the same ATMEL multitouch sensor as the Nexus S, EVO, etc. So we know it can register at least 5 screen inputs at once. The apps you are using to test the multitouch input simply does not support the device (yet), and will need to be updated in order to for this phone to register multiple inputs beyond 2. This is simply a case of outdated software on new hardware.
[Atrix 4G General] phobos512:
The EVO would not register more than two touch points while operating on the stock kernel - and it was shown after rooting and unlocking the bootloader that there were two different touch panels - one that could do three points and one that could do 5.

So hopefully the OE kernel enables the use of the max number of touch points supported by the screen and it is just a matter of outdated software.
[Atrix 4G General] majik8ball:
so far I have downloaded multitouch test, touch test, multitouch visualizer 2, and multitouch tester all from the android market and the results are always dual imput, not multi...

Am I doning something wrong is the fact that it will not register a third or more imputs... I thought we had up to 5 digit touch

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Thanks
[Atrix 4G General] ronan_zj:
more than 2 fingers, Apple will give u a hard time
[Atrix 4G General] Techcruncher:
Use the app phonetester. That is the most accurate.
[Atrix 4G General] Techcruncher:
This is a terrible problem. I had to stop playing metroid zero mission on my old phone, because you couldn't press the r trigger, the up button, and the b button simultaneously, and you needed to (those 3 buttons when pressed shoot misslles up) in order to kill the boss.
[Atrix 4G General] majik8ball:
has anyone tried some emulators, like snes or psx or gameboid? i wonder if it reconizes more than two touch imputs..??
[Atrix 4G General] phobos512:
DING DING DING finally someone remembers...

http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and...-back-at-motorola-with-multitouch-patent-suit

Apple, Google and device makers have been embroiled in patent lawsuits since the first Android devices were being made. It still continues. If folks recall, there was huge controversy when I think the original Droid (or was it even earlier, the G1 maybe?) came out and didn't have multitouch in the US, but the international version did. This is why and it continues to be an issue.
[Atrix 4G General] Techcruncher:
What are you talking about... The ATT captivate with the froyo ROM does 5 fingers...
[Atrix 4G General] ermacwins:
Galaxy s has 5 touch
[Atrix 4G General] KennyXL:
Multitouch is an issue in Google Maps

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Nexus One was given a hard time because the latest updated Google Maps required at least 3 points of touch to get the "3D" isometric view. I recall a great deal of grief given to the google reference phone months ago so why are so many people letting Motorola off easy on this one? Maybe I'm mistaken about the details, but I think it's ridiculous that this superphone only does 2 points of touch IF it's true. I'm not singling the Atrix out; I just think fair is fair. For the record I own the Nexus One, Motorola, and Samsung Captivate (which, I believe, has more than 2 points of touch).
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
There is a very obvious reason why game developers are not focusing on the Android Market. Hardware and software fragmentation. Some does even only one point of touch while others do 2, 3, 4, 5, or 10 points on the screen. With all these variations, how can game developers develop games on Android platform? That's why iOS is the main mobile platform game developers are creating their titles because of pretty standard hardware and API most importantly. Remember ALL Apple iOS devices support at least 5 fingers!

Games such as Cut the Rope, Star Wars Force Unleashed and other creative games using more than 2 to 3 fingers simultaneously are not going to be seen on the Android Market.

Google really need to fix these fragmentations. It's very very disappointing!

I just figured my Atrix only does 2 fingers and I'm so mad that I won't buy another Android device again. Back to iPhone!
[Atrix 4G General] novaIS350:
Did anyone even read my post? This is why. End of thread.
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
So? Does that mean we get multi touch more than 5 fingers supported in the near future? Does that mean all android devices support multitouch?

The answers to all of the above questions are NO. Screw Android! iOS FTW!

Screw the openness when the quality are confusing and people need to shop very smart like a geek.

Everytime when I purchase an Android device, I have to do the actual testing myself in order to know what features are lacking.

Use Sony Ericsson X10 and X8 for example, both phones are not even truely multitouch! X8 doesn't even have multitouch update while X10 has only two points with axis crossing error.

This is why I think Microsoft will eventually able to catch up even they are late in the game. Why? Because they do minimum hardware requirement on various manufactures. It's a hybrid of iOS and Android.

We need some orders not chaos!
[Atrix 4G General] novaIS350:
Your post makes no sense, but thanks for writing a long winded paragraph.
[Atrix 4G General] squarejp:
What I'm saying is Android devices are not standardized. Therefore you can see some devices with one to 10 fingers multi-touch. Game Devs won't invest too much on Android because of these kind of fragmentation. Google need to address the fragmentation issues. It's getting worse.

That's why even Atrix has the ATMEL multitouch sensor, it doesn't really help because Motorola can choose NOT to update it or 3rd party apps never support it. All the creative apps that use 5 fingers multitouch are in iOS. Android are mostly multitouch sensor testing apps. Do you think most people using Androids are test engineers?
[Atrix 4G General] acPIZZA:
two fingers?... Better make it three.
[Atrix 4G General] ranblv:
I don't play games on my device, but when I found this out, it was a disappointment.

I hope the hackers here can override the problem if indeed it has the same hardware as the nexus s.
[Atrix 4G General] guitar_east:
Oh gosh please shut up. If multitouch is important to you then do your research. To the average person who doesn't know what multitouch even won't care about how many touch points it has. This has nothing to do with game development being a problem. This fragmentation thing is not a big problem for talented game devs. Its not a problem on PC's, and its not a problem on Android devices.

Game devs ARE making games on Android, thats why Angry Birds is here, Cut the Rope and PvsZ are a coming. Devs werent making games because it wasn't worth their time, but as the Android userbase grows so will support. If you're going to sit on the sidelines not contributing and wish your Android was the same as an iOS device, then sell your Atrix and buy an iOS device.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
Then leave..... No ones holding your hand here.
[Atrix 4G General] Ronaldo_9:
I didnt read all the post but i would want more then 2 touches as i use my phone for games and emulators when i'm bored.

SGS has 5 but can do upto 10 and on cm7 rom for SGS it supports 10.

I think for gamers 3-5 is a good. 2 is not good enough.

anyways do make changes to touch, you need to change values in drivers inside kernel.
[Atrix 4G General] guitar_east:
3 should be the minimum. I had sold my Nexus One for a SGS becuase I wanted more for emulated gaming. Turns out I didn't game that much, and gave the SGS to my wife and picked up a cheep Nexus One again. Number of touch points in multitouch is not necessarily a selling factor for me if the phone is otherwise excellent.
[Atrix 4G General] The Commodore:
Hey guy,

You're right, that's why game devs invest a lot into Macs instead of PCs because PCs are way too fragmented...

Oh wait.
[Atrix 4G General] dinan:
That argument is more of a "there's more of product X than product Y, so we should develop for product X before Y!" reasoning rather than fragmentation. Android market share is growing, and a number of mobile game development teams are starting to release simultaneous OS releases rather than iOS first. Case in point, Pocket Legends: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/09/profit-shocker-android-brings-home-more-bacon-than-ios-for-pock/
[Atrix 4G General] xyrovice:
This.

(ten characters).
[Atrix 4G General] lsxrx7:
i m flipping apply my 2 middle fingers
[Atrix 4G General] ermacwins:
So is this confirmed, only dual touch? Is this only restricted to to Motorola's software or even third part apps like emu's
[Atrix 4G General] ApplCobbler:
Only little kids play games on their phone, anyway. Grown-ups look retarded clutching a phone to play a game on an itty-bitty 4 inch screen.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
the build.prop has it listed as max of 2. i wonder what would happen if that was change? (noobie here)
[Atrix 4G General] kdoodle:
novalS350 is right.

Just wanted to note that iFixit says it uses Atmel mXT224. Not really sure how reliable they are, but since they do tear stuff apart, I'll believe them.

"The front panel houses an Atmel mXT224 touchscreen controller underneath the LCD connector. It's the same chip we've found on the Samsung Galaxy Tab, Nexus S, and HTC Evo 4G."

I'm a new member so I can't post link yet, you can Google search ifixit and find it on page two of the teardown.

According to Atmel's official documents. It supports up to 10.
[Atrix 4G General] Ronaldo_9:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=891030

here is the info on SGS
[Atrix 4G General] ranova:
it definitely has capability for more than 2, and to test this, go into webtop mode (either via multimedia dock or the webtop mod hack) and click the Phone window. Slide three fingers down - it brings down the notification panel. One just moves the mouse and two is used for scrolling.
[Atrix 4G General] CyberPunk7t9:
As some fellas pointed, it's not a deal-breaker. But 4-5 multi-touch is important for those who enjoy synthesizers music apps or when you need to pluck different strings in virtual guitar apps. So more of entertainment factors than practical.

Can't more touches be enabled with a rooted Atrix?