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[Captivate General] tyrsius:
Samsung may have terrible support for their phones, but due to this phone being the first solid android on AT&T, it has fantastic support from the dev community.

Motorola has a long history of locking their phones down, and making it near impossible to switch the kernal. Samsung may be lazy, but Moto hates its customers actively.

I will never own another moto phone.
[Captivate General] haydonxda:
OK, good points. I guess it's a very low amount of money at this point to consider as a trade-in. I'm definitely going to be losing money, the question is how much and the trade-in would have softened the blow a bit. I guess I could resell but I hate dealing with things like eBay and Craig's.

Regarding phone mods - Well, they're great but what I really want is simply a phone that works. I don't want to have to flash a phone to get a marginally better GPS or an Android release that isn't two steps behind. I think Motorola does have a better track record in supporting their front lines phones.

Yeah, the Atrix is an accessory platform. Though it's neat I can't really understand the utility of the laptop dock. Text messaging with a real keyboard is nice though. One of things I miss about not having a Nokia with their PC software.
[Captivate General] gibson3659:
There are several wifi/usb apps that let you use your pc keyboard to type on an Android phone. You don't need anything from the manufacturer.
[Captivate General] haydonxda:
I completely overlooked this. I just paired my PS3 Bluetooth keyboard with my phone and it works great - even with mouse. Not exactly portable but if I want/need to use it I can. Great option.
[Captivate General] ADHDassassin:
Hell No

There is no way I would accept 100$ for this amazing piece of hardware... unless that hundred dollars was taken off the 200$ price of the atrix and I was able to purchase it without waiting the 13 remaining months I have on my contract and now early termination fees.

If you are selling your captivate for a 100$ though, I'd be happy to buy it from you :)
[Captivate General] asrrin29:
The only thing the Atrix has over the SGS is the dual core proc, which it can't even use running Froyo. I don't even know that Gingerbread enables dual core, you may have to wait until honeycomb to get the full power out of the phone. Top that off with the locked bootloader and support that rivals samsung in ineptitude, and I think I'll pass. By the time my contract is up with AT&T they'll have quad-core phones out anyway, and with lagfix, CM7, and overclocking I think we'll find the Captivate to be a powerhouse well into the future.
[Captivate General] Red_81:
After coming from an Iphone 3G where I had to jailbreak to receive any kind of functionality I would not take $100 for the phone. The sheer openess to mod the phone to how it fits me and not how Stevie thinks it should fit makes it worth far more than $100
[Captivate General] jcr81:
I sold my wife's captivate the other day on ebay for $330...
[Captivate General] Pierce533:
To chorus in... no. I would not take a $100 trade in for an Atrix... unless included in that deal someone was taking over my AT&T contract and I was going to a better carrier. :)
[Captivate General] d054:
price

i will bid 110 on the phone i like it better then any phone out there because i can do stuff with the phone with this site dev . you know the grass is always greener on the other side
[Captivate General] bennijai:
I have a better offer. How about I pay you $125 for your Captivate+shipping and we call it a day? =D

I see Captivate's selling for at least $200, so if your goal to sell and buy an Atrix I would highly recommend you sell it yourself through ebay, craigs, friends, etc before you take the lazy way out and lose $100 bucks for convienence.
[Captivate General] Psychosis5150:
Yeah, gonna have to say no.. Bought this thing off contract cause my iphone sucked so hard. Now if I could give them my cappy and $100 for an Atrix I'm all in!
[Captivate General] gunnyman:
I sold mine for 200. I could have gotten more, but I was happy with the deal.
[Captivate General] qynt:
Like most everyone else, NO I would not give up my Captivate for $100. After I flashed it with an awesome ROM (Paragon) it runs the way I suspect Samsung dreamed it might. I now get great battery life and a working GPS. The Captivate also enjoys great support here on XDA.
[Captivate General] dirtbagg:
Not really worried about firmware updates..as the devs here on xda make the roms better then any!!!...plus i love the cappy screen...maybe a nexus s but think i will hold out on the atrix as i jumped on the android bandwagon for att when the backflip came out....since att finnaly got a android but really not impressed with motoblur as it took them for ever to get 2.1
[Captivate General] Sharkonwheels:
I'll agree with the others. I wouldn't take $250 for my Captivate.

Matter of fact, if you're as anal retentive as I am :), and have the box and everything it came with, and took SUPER GOOD care of it, you could probably get around $325-350 on fleaBay - check the completed auctions!

That's if you want to maximize the $$ you get out of it.
[Captivate General] MikeyMike01:
Turn on Airplane Mode and you've got a great Android iPod Touch.
[Captivate General] davwman:
Mikey, that's a great point especially with voodoo sound. Also games are getting better. I came back to my captivate after returning my inspire. It was great but I couldn't justify spending full retail for it. The screen was gorgeous, but battery was atrocious. As far as the atrix is concerned, the masses can have it. I can buy a full 11" laptop that would be more portable than that poor excuse of a dock. The atrix is the first of its kind and it only opens the future to some crazy phones.
[Captivate General] GUARDIANBD:
Damn! Ill do!

Where to i sign? :d
[Captivate General] oblivianz:
No. I wouldn't even trade this phone in for $200. Love my Captivate :)
[Captivate General] Shovelhead84:
Wrong question. It should be:

Would you pay $800 (phone, dock, netbook) for the "extra features" your getting with an atrix.
[Captivate General] TommyZee:
Atrix

IMO

Contrary to the insanity that goes on here about the Cappy sucking, I will be scooping up two more of these puppies when the opportunity presents itself. This phone ROCKS and you know it. Samsung and AT&T suck from the service aspect we all know that but the hardware is top-shelf hands-down. :D
[Captivate General] hd779:
I got an Atrix yesterday, after a day with the phone I am probably going to take it back. The screen is damn hard to get use to when you have been using a Samoled screen. The Atrix is wicked fast, but all in all its not worth $150 and another 2 year contract. I will probably take it back and see with the IPhone 5, Galaxy S 2 and HTC's next duel core phone looks like.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crowds:
1. No, don`t have Flash since it`s android 2.1 and flash only came on 2.2

If you should update? Only you know that. How? Read a little bit (doesn`t had to be that much).

2. To have root access, once again, read, search (don`t have to be long search, just look at my sig)

3. You don`t
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DooMLoRD:
there are many stickies (1st few posts in q&a and development sections) related to this... read/search a bit before posting
[Captivate General] Houndog:
Thought you all might find this interesting. My buddy got his Atrix yesterday and I got to play with it this morning and compare to my Captivate running FireFly 2.1 rom. Initial impressions are frankly not impressed. I think my screen is brighter and pretier. The resolution seems to be higher on the Atrix, which is great, but the fonts are hard to read and buttons much harder to press then on my captivate which has same screen size. My phone seems to be generally snappier and when I ran NeoCore on both phones the Cappy beat the Atrix by 2 FPS or more every time. Not too impressed with duel core or perhaps the phone just needs an XDA hacked rom to fix it. Anyway, didn't love it to be honest which was a surprise to me. Love my Captivate even with the few issues it has. Just my thoughts and initial impressions.
[Captivate General] BoostedSR20:
I got my GF the Atrix to replace her N1, played with it all day yesterday. I liked it.

I think I could be perfectly happy with this screen.......... if I had never seen an amoled before.

The resolution is great. Very sharp. Text looks awesome.

Its a tough call. Images look sharper on the Atrix, but the color/blacks is better on the Captivate. Both phones set to 1/2 brightness, and the Atrix just has that LCD backlight washout look. But its not bad, its slight. Way better than an Evo for example. (or my galaxy tab)

I'm looking at both side by side, and I can't decide. One is sharper, but one has better looking color/black levels. I guess it will have to come down to preference. I'm really torn. And I will admit I'm an amoled fanboy.

The speed is much better on the Atrix. (I have the latest paragon ROM on my cap) I tried some webpages that the captivate would choke on, and the Atrix was fine. Also moving around the market, installing apps, much quicker. And never any lag anywhere. Doing a Titanium restore was *much* faster than I've ever seen on the N1 or SGS.

If you bench with Quadrant or Linpak, it destroys the cap.

Here is a crude photo of the screens side by side, you can see some subtle differences, but to really compare you have to see in person.
[Captivate General] Houndog:
Wow, Boosted, that is interesting. Wonder if the diference is the different roms we are running. My Cappy running FireFly 2.1 was very obviously faster to me moving around the phone and in the market. My friends Atrix right out of the box was visibly slower. Even found it laggy when moving from portrait to lanscape. Anyway, thanks and always neet to hear others impressions.
[Captivate General] ricethief:
Do another test when 2.4 rolls out. That is when true dual core support rolls out for Android. I'm willing to guess then you will actually see a boost.
[Captivate General] BoostedSR20:
I will honestly say it went back and forth. Somtimes the Atrix would be quicker, sometimes my Cap. But one thing I did notice for sure, was the web page scrolling, the app installing, and the Titanium restore was much faster on the Atrix. (and the bench numbers, but they are meaningless I spose)

As far as my overall impression... I still have my Cap. And I'm a sucker for getting phones on release day. I think playing with it for a day was enough for me, I'm going to wait and see how things play out with the Atrix getting updates, and the SGS2 coming.

My non-techie GF does however like it, seems to be a good upgrade from her N1.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
I'm a photographer and looking at the pics above I'd say the Cappy is better. The Atrix has slightly better color rendition, but the Cappy's shadow detail is much better. Look at the car's front grille and the dark area in the trees to the left. Look at the front wheel. On the Atrix it is almost all one color, but on the Cappy you can see some more definition. Better shadow detail means better pictures in lower light and more crispness overall, areas where many cameras fall short. Can't speak to performance, but on picture quality alone I would take the Cappy. Of course, what you see on the phone's screen could be completely different than what you see after you transfer the pic to a computer, but if something like watching a movie on the device is important, the phone that better renders pics will also look better with movies.
[Captivate General] BoostedSR20:
I am by no means a photographer, but I can see what your pointing out. Also for info, the pic on the phones was shot with my Nikon D80 w/Nikon lens, and the pic of the phones was shot with the same cam/lens.

Also forgot to mention I have a couple of the 720p Samsung movies that came on the vibrant (or epic or something) just like showcase vids. Played one on both phones, and the cap was the *clear* winner. If I think about it, I'll do it again tonight, and take some pics of that, the difference is *much* greater than my car photo.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Another thing to look at is the bright areas. On the Atrix they are just blobs, but the Cappy still shows some detail. Look at the bright hedges to the left and right of the light pole. Very little detail in the Atrix ones. The detail of the bricks is also clearly better on the Cappy.
[Captivate General] Xstop:
So to the OP or anyone that also had hands on with the device, I am assuming that the Atrix, to

you

, is not worth the off-contract price and/or renewing your contract for 2 more years? Just need your opinion :)
[Captivate General] ryude:
It's not that cut and dry, I think the Atrix has it's purpose and performs very well at it.
[Captivate General] Xstop:
Sorry, but it was to me after a couple of days with the Inspire. Yes I returned it.

Just wasn't worth the 2 year upgrade for that phone and definitely not worth the no-contract price.

Edit: But I probably won't get the Atrix either because I don't want to do it all over again with the buying and returning, just wanted some opinions. But I can wait til the 3rd or 4th quarter of new phones.
[Captivate General] BoostedSR20:
I haven't seen an Inspire in person, but on paper it would be awesome if it had come out a year ago. I would imagine the Atrix would be better in every single way. I would rather have my Cap than the Inspire.
[Captivate General] Houndog:
I have to tell you that I thought this might be my next phone, but initial impression was not better than what I have now with the Cappy for sure. Maybe a future update will fix the speed and make it much faster. Funny, my buddy with Atrix just walked in the room while I was typing this and he is struggling to read the screen. I noticed that with the resolution being higher that the words and icons appeared smaller myself. He is an older gentleman and having trouble reading the screen. Have to admit that I think I would be struggling as well. Does anyone know how to increase the fonts overall on an android phone? His is not rooted yet of course.
[Captivate General] AznCowlick:
Awww weak, I was planning on getting this phone but it looks like qdisplay or w/e it's called isn't for me. Guess I'll wait for SGS 2 :)
[Captivate General] ryude:
2011 is a sucky year for smartphones, even though it's the most hyped I've seen in a while.
[Captivate General] BoostedSR20:
I haven't messed with this myself, but I've seen a lot of guys with the Galaxy tabs playing around with it, you can at least give it a shot.

http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/change-android-screen-resolution-with-lcd-density/
[Captivate General] Houndog:
Wow, thanks Boosted. I will tell him about this. This does require root though. I was hoping for a solution that woudn't require root.
[Captivate General] BoostedSR20:
Rooting the Atrix is super easy, only takes a couple of minutes. One click pretty much. I might even give this a try on my Galaxy tab for giggles..
[Captivate General] rizzo269:
Interesting write-ups and thanks for the information. I was impressed when I saw the Atrix on paper but haven't made it into the store to mess around with one. I love the screen on my cappy and it will be hard for me to migrate away from it. Once I finally got the ROM setup where I wanted it, I do like this phone. I am however, anxiously awaiting whats down the road this year.
[Captivate General] sremick:
Regarding the photo of the screens...

Think about it: a photo of an SAMOLED screen displayed on a computer's LCD display is not going to be of any use. By viewing the photo on LCD you're immediately eliminating 99% of the stuff that makes OLED stand out.

It's pretty useless to judge an SAMOLED screen (or a SAMOLED-vs-LCD comparison) via an image on a computer as a result.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Yes, there is some variance between what you see on the actual phone and what you see in a pic of the phone on a PC screen. But there is some validity to judging the same photos on the same PC screen, which is what I did. I guarantee you that if the OP looks at that photo on both devices he will see a lot of what I pointed out in my observations.
[Captivate General] diablo009:
Wow. Any link to it, just in case I happen to get it today.
[Captivate General] BoostedSR20:
http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-root
[Captivate General] Houndog:
Yes, I would agree. Basically the Atrix was sharper, maybe, but the colors just pop on the Cappy. I have the same impression when I compare the Cappy to the IPhone by the way.
[Captivate General] BoostedSR20:
I totally agree with this. My point is that I really think I could live with the Atrix screen. Its good *enough*. The extra resolution helps a lot. Comparing my Cap to the Galaxy tab, or an Evo, etc, is a HUGE difference. That I wouldn't want.

This is the same argument I see when people talk about the SGS screen vs the Iphone 4 screen. I've even had the argument with guys at work.
[Captivate General] nuwayman:
Nice to see what some people are saying about the atrix. I just got the cappy in december. Love it. Even with some of the issues. I love flashing and customizing the screen. Speaking of screen the cappy screen is awesome. Not sure if I can ever go back to a different screen. My wife has an iphone 4 and though its nice I think the cappy is just better. I put couple movies on it for my kids. dispicable me and how to train your dragon. The screen is super freaking clear like hd tv. Love it. Don't know if I care about atrix dual core. Yeah its probably fast but not the selling point for me. Now the sgs2. Dam I sure hope at&t gets it.
[Captivate General] smokestack76:
Lcd link didnt work for me. But is it like this app? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=765639

That is all i use. Its a must have. I set mine at 190 ;) Maybe try it and then compare the pics again?
[Captivate General] BoostedSR20:
Yep thats it.
[Captivate General] smokestack76:
Wow man. Yeah you should like it alot. I have used it for months now. Really makes the screen better. To me anyhow.
[Captivate General] BoostedSR20:
I'm more interested in trying it on my Galaxy Tab, might give it a shot tonight..
[Captivate General] smokestack76:
That is very true as well. Let me know how it goes. Still holding myself back from it. But interested for sure lol.
[Captivate General] jc2470:
I dont think that is a good comparison, reason being my brother has that exact car and the atrix is representing the grill better then the cappy, u might like the pic better but bottom phone actually shows it for what it is. Secondly I dont care if your a photographer and if you are, u are totally skipping the fact that if one phone has more brightness the camera taking the pic will wash it out more then the dimmer screen. If u want a proper comparison either know someone with one and look yourself or go to att store.
[Captivate General] smokestack76:
Well. I went to the store and messed with one. Not really impressed with it much. Main reason is that android wont support the dual core for sometime. Sure the gig of mem is good. But even that will not be used much. Main draw for me is to run a full install of linux on it.... Even then the screen just didnt seem that great. :rolleyes:
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Actually, it is a good comparison and I'll tell you why. The pic is one photo of both phones taken at the same time. Of course, it is only as good as the camera taking it, but it isn't going to be better for the one on the bottom or vice versa. It will portray them equally. If one is washed out and dull it isn't going to be more so because of the camera taking the 2 together. I'm not just a photographer, I'm a pro photographer who has made his living shooting for magazines since 1994. The holy grail for photography is low-light performance and shadow detail is a major indicator of that. Yes, the settings on the Atrix might be different, which may be causing the pic to look washed out and with less detail, but I'm guessing the OP used the default settings, like most users do. On that basis the Cappy looks a lot better to me. I can correct things, like color variances and even exposure to some degree, with software on my PC, but I prefer to start with the photo that has the most shadow and highlight detail. You can't put back in what the camera didn't see in the first place.

Obviously, we aren't looking at pro-level performance from a cell phone and the camera is, for many, a minor aspect in a purchasing decision. But when you consider how much of what we do with these devices is display-oriented, significant weight should be given to how good it looks. To my trained eye, the Cappy just looks better. The Atrix might be a great phone with better all-around performance, but on looks alone it falls short IMHO. No need to stir up a flamefest over this. It's just my opinion.:cool:
[Captivate General] Nickel Dime Bay:
Hows GPS on the Atrix?
[Captivate General] MikeyMike01:
I always shake my head when I read people who actually like blown out oversaturated SAMOLED images.

Also, based on the photo posted, I'm giving the edge to the Atrix. But only barely.
[Captivate General] jc2470:
dude i dont care if your a pro or not you obviously dont know that, its easy to prove take a pic of something with light shining back at cam and it will look washed out to camera, if it is dimmer then it wont. U call yourself a pro but all cameras have that problem, they all over expose with light glare. either you dont understand what im saying or you are a amateur. whole reason photographers when taking photos outside have to block or smooth out the light same as inside. take a pic of a light and it is washed out lower the light and it is not as bad. So lets examine the pic again if top photo aka cappy has lower brightness or overall a dimmer screen then the atrix on the same level then when the camera taking the photo of the cappy and atrix takes photo the photo from the cappy has less light shining back into the camera then the one from the atrix. are the photos taken originally by the same camera? or are they taken by each individual phone? and even that is a poor example, each cappy has different screens while majority might be pretty much the same I have compared cappys side by side and seen difference in screen, screen defects a lower quality screen in that paticular screen tons of reasons. Like i said go look at one side by side with yours for a proper judgement of the phone, Im sure not gonna judge a pic of a phone of a pic with several reasons why they may or may not look the same.
[Captivate General] jc2470:
and by the comparison by the above person with the same pic, I think the atrix looks better. Still I wont say its a better screen till I see it in person. Also what are the true colors of the pictures being taken? which is representing it better? sorry i dont like innacurate photos even if it looks better.