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[Vibrant General] BruceElliott:
Complete BS

So much BS, so little time...

"3G" and "4G" are marketing terms, undefined as to speed ranges by any wireless standard. As such, these terms are meaningless drivel when used in a technical conversation.

T-Mobile advertises their HSDPA service as "3G." The HSDPA system operates to 14.2 mbps. HSPA+ encodation, which T-Mobile advertises as "4G" operates at 17 mbps and up. However, HSPA+ tower systems are typically backwards compatible; that is, they can encode at HSDPA rates to communicate with an HSDPA-only handset.

HSDPA/HSPA+ data channel download speeds are determined by a number of sub-channels (HS-DSCH channels) assigned to a download operation by the tower. The tower assigns this number of sub-channels based upon available spectral bandwidth (which in turn is based upon the total amount of voice and data that all subscribers connected to the tower have requested), the signal-to-noise (SNR) reported by the Vibrant to the tower in an uplink management channel, and the hardware capability reported by the Vibrant in the uplink management channel, among other factors.

The GSM/EDGE/HSDPA/HSPA+ versions of Galaxy S use the Infineon X-Gold XG-616 baseband processor (Infineon Wireless recently acquired by Intel), which does all the heavy lifting for encodation & modulation. Suffice it to say that all data must pass through this device. It is spec'd at max HSPDA Category 8: 7.2 Mbps. HSPDA Category 8 uses 10 HS-DSCH channels. The HS-DSCH channels are paths through the hardware! Each path transports a certain amount of bandwidth. Ten such paths bundled together provide 7.2 mbps. Ten paths...that's it. (Unless you take out your pocket knife and carve a few more paths into the chip. lol)

Note that not only can Vibrant not process speeds greater than 7.2 mbps, but 7.2 mbps is not even the upper limit of HSDPA ("3G" according to T-Mobile). HSDPA can bundle up to 15 HS-DSCH channels ("Category 10") to provide 14.2 mbps. HSPA+ ("4G" according to T-Mobile) provides speeds of 17.6 mbps and up. (HSPA+ also uses 15 sub-channels but uses a more finicky type of modulation ("64-QAM" as opposed to HSDPA's "16-QAM") to squeeze more bits into each modem "symbol."

Thus, not only can Vibrant not do HSPA+ ("4G"); it cannot even do full HSDPA ("3G"). lol

If you really want to learn something about this, here is a reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Sp..._Packet_Access

The Infineon/Intel X-Gold XG-616 baseband processor spec sheet is here:

http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/X-GOLD+616 ... ee88ef75eb

Not sure that you will understand the chipset architecture without an engineering background, though.

A tear-down of the Vibrant showing major architecture is here:

http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/reports- ... /teardown/
[Vibrant General] BruceElliott:
What may have happend is that you allowed yourself to be sucked into agreeing to incorporate some new, unfavorable fine print into your contract under the guise of faster speeds. Just an hypothesis...
[Vibrant General] BruceElliott:
Not. Terminal yes; backhaul probably not (backhaul can be on fiber); available tower spectral bandwidth is usually the limiting factor unless its 3:00a or following a nuclear attack.

See post #24.
[Vibrant General] BruceElliott:
Now this is a wise man!
[Vibrant General] BruceElliott:
Now, this is a person who is on the road to becoming a wise man. lol
[Vibrant General] BruceElliott:
Read post #24 to figure it out.
[Vibrant General] n2ishun:
Nuclear attack is out....

Electro-magnetic pulse from the nukes would kill both the phones and the towers.

BTTDB (back to the drawing board)
[Vibrant General] BruceElliott:
It would be more than one chip. The limiting chip is not even the RF section of the radio, it is the baseband modem + accessory components + modem firmware...yada, yada. But even if it were just one chip, and just happened to be pin-compatible (very unlikely), you would destroy the board trying to unsolder about 150 pins. lol
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
yeah.... none of those links work.... lol.
[Vibrant General] megatherian:
My speed just jumped up 10X suckers! Who's laughing now!!!

oh...

wait...

wifi was on...
[Vibrant General] TheMan42:
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[Vibrant General] SamsungVibrant:
You would think this forum would have much smarter people.

Just because you do a name change of your data plan to 4G doesn't mean your

3G phone will suddenly grow 4G legs.
[Vibrant General] chaosiscandytome21:
So, are they charging you the extra $10.00/month? Did you have to reselect a messaging plan?
[Vibrant General] megatherian:
I'm not sure who you're asking. I know not me but I'll answer anyway.

I've only been with T-mobile since September so my data price stayed the same $30. As for messaging, I use Google voice for that so don't have a messaging plan w/T-mobile.
[Vibrant General] CatfishKnight:
Funny... Lol. :)
[Vibrant General] SamsungVibrant:
The mods should close this thread.

I thought this was a community of smart android users.

JUST BECAUSE YOU CHANGE the "NAME" of your data plan doesn't mean you will suddenly get 4G on your Vibrant 3G. The Vibrant 3G doesn't have 4G hardware.

The data plan name change is NOTHING more than than marketing. They are both the same data plan, the name is just changed.
[Vibrant General] Cbzeej:
Yea....i ubderstood it. Who needs an engineering degree when I have google search and a gatorade :D
[Vibrant General] carlcj5:
I believe all you guys that switched over to this so called 4g plan also just sold out of your 5 gig data cap for one in the low mb plan :-/

Bionix-V 1.3 w/a Splash of Color
[Nexus One General] geometrikal01:
Just put on Gingerbread yay... but...

Music app is still the same... I thought it was meant to change?

And the notifcation pull down has light grey backgrounds for the items. Looks kinda out of place, I thought they would be black.

Launcher seems a little laggy too

Is this the same experience for everyone else? Has something gone wrong with my update?
[Nexus One General] SupaDupaFly24:
Music app doesn't change...
[Nexus One General] hexix:
Same experience here. I had already been using CM7 so I wasn't surprised.

LauncherPro is super smooth on gingerbread though. Even with the live wallpaper. It didn't feel this fluid on CM7.
[Nexus One General] OJ in Compton:
LauncherPro is smooth for you? It took a performance hit for me on GRI40.

On 2.2 and the AOSP 2.3 builds, the drawer open/close animation (without 3D and without a live wallpaper) was incredibly smooth, but for some reason now it's slightly choppy when opening and closing.
[Nexus One General] wraith404:
i had a little trouble with LP until I turned off the 3D app drawer.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
i can confirm this 100%. With 2.2.1 i had completely smooth scrolling with LP, but after GB update the animations are stuttery and i also have never used the 3d drawer and don't use live wallpapers.

So this is definetly real. Hope LP will fix that soon.
[Nexus One General] Brownbay:
I found the GB (stock) launger laggy after it first installed too.

I just did a full wipe on the phone (from within Android, including SD card) and when the phone rebooted, there was no lag.

More than likely, the phone just needed to have rebooted.
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
Yeah, experience the same LP choppiness on both 2.3/CM7. Has to be a LP specific issue. Impatiently waiting for the LP rewrite...
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
well, a full wipe is no option for me...i'm not rooted and therefore don't have a backup. And i have no time to setup everything again.
[Nexus One General] Poolmunch:
Yeah I had the same issue, made a thread over at their bugg forums
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kit:
Am i the only one that has noticed my score is about 500 points lower for gaming when i'm on CM RC1 compared to Stock 2.3.2?

RC1 gives me a score of about 2600 while stock gives 3k+ while using Smartbench.

I wonder if this is due to the video drivers not being fully up to date or optimized on the CM builds?

I have also noticed that quadrant scores do not seam to be affected whether on CM or Stock. My experience with the N1 was CM helped with performance a lot.

What do you guys think about this? Have you experienced the same?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
I normally run at 1.4GHz and get about 3.3-3.4k on the games index. (Just got 3232). I don't really ever run on stock so its hard to say but I can say that I've hit 1800/3700 at 1.6GHz before.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NinjaWolf:
This is a DEV question, but still a Q&A.

How do i port a rom from another device to evo

i understand the basic rom cooking and all, but every time i try to port, it wont boot(even with diff. kernels)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sekigah84:
Might want to contact Myn or xhausx for this. They should help you with the port.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NinjaWolf:
RE:2nd post

yah, i talk to myn every once in a while so ill ask him. thanks
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wdfowty:
http://miui-dev.com/forums/showthread.php?1756-Porting-MIUI-to-HTC-Evo&p=18914&viewfull=1#post18914
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sharkie405:
Thanks for that. :)
[Atrix 4G General] trapjawmusic:
can i game on my hd monitor via the hdmi cable with this phone yet? i plug in the cable but only get the entertainment center and view pictures and videos.
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
Not yet. (10char)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
Decided for fun I would call this a rom, Adeo (A deodexed rom).

This is the full retail system dump, deodexed. Nothing more, nothing less.

What is the point of this?

So you can modify the APK's in a deodexed environment or apply some of my mods :)

taken down for now

In the mean time I will be working on a better script that executes on the phone rather then thru three bat files so you only have one SU request.

Disclaimer: break your ****? Don't ***** to me about it, you know the risks. :cool:
[Atrix 4G Android Development] G-Man.:
Downloading Now! Thankyou Designgears :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kennethpenn:
Awesome job making it super accessible for everyone! Now we can all have deodexed systems.

Looking forward to the battery mod as well as the shut down options one.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
That is pretty hacky, but it works :)

working on a shell script so I can push everything to the phone, and launcher script, accept one SU request, reboots, and done.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kennethpenn:
Ahh... there's nothing wrong with good ole batch files!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] theknub:
did they ever go out of style?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Pzyduck:
Awasome :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] realawill:
So when will we expect a version with your mods on it?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
Very soon :)

trying to make it to bed by 1am and get the new script done
[Atrix 4G Android Development] realawill:
Sounds good. Well thanks for all your hard work. Installing now.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] realawill:
lol got a softbrick....installed and rebooted fine. Did step 3 clean up and on reboot, soft brick. Now to figure out how to fix this.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
crappy, not sure why that would happen unless the deodexed files didnt really copy over
[Atrix 4G Android Development] realawill:
So I am trying to write a script following your instructions here http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11585851&postcount=1

Now sure why but no luck. And time is a factor. LOL

I PM'd you the script so you can let me know my error.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
OH, I thought what you sent me was working, didnt see your edit here.. checking it out now.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
Hey, just a thought, boot into recovery, do a factory reset..

making a script too if you want to wait to try that first
[Atrix 4G Android Development] realawill:
Seriously, while you wait for the fn thing to reboot, it seems like it's forever. But trying to type everything in a command prompt, the time speeds up to reboot. FML
[Atrix 4G Android Development] realawill:
will try and see if that works. Do you have a script you can post since you said you have used the recover method before?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
oh, you are in Logan, if this script doesnt work I can meet up with you and fix it
[Atrix 4G Android Development] realawill:
Did a factory reset, it was a no go.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] realawill:
I actually work down in WVC, so I am not too far away.
[A7 General] 0re0:
As the title states, simply wondering if there was any chance of getting CIFS support for the A7, whether baked into the rom or cifs.ko file, this would be very handy, even if only for the ability to stream media.

P.S. Dexter; Thank you for your hard work and excellent software
[A7 General] ripper23:
I found on the market Samba Filesharing I think. Shares out the scdard if thats what you are looking for.
[A7 General] 0re0:
Not what I am looking for, but thank you for a very useful program anyway.
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
I need to know what games to get. I'm going to get the Killzone 3 bundle so I'll have that one, but I'm going to buy 3 other games as well. Got my heart set on Dead Space so I need two more recommendations.
[Off-topic] Systemfraud:
Marvel VS. Capcom 3, if you like fighting games, that is. Don't know about a second recommendation.
[Off-topic] cubanjinx:
Go pre order homefront!

Via TT
[Off-topic] fmedina2:
Black ops, Final fantasy 13, gran turismo 5 etc...
[Off-topic] jgalan14:
Definitely black ops man forget killzone 3 ha ha jk some people love it too
[Off-topic] cubanjinx:
Black ops is fun....but I'm over it already. And FFXIII? I didn't know they still made that game o.O

Via TT
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
Yeah I'll probably get Black Ops, I was a big fan of MW on 360.

I don't know about RPGs anymore, I was a huge fan of them back in the FF7 days but I haven't played one since then. Not really a fan of fighting games either.

Homefront looks badass.
[Off-topic] fmedina2:
FF13-2 Coming out in the winter! :D It's not for everybody though. If you like RPG's FF series are the best.

PS3 FTW by the way.
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
I agree. I havent owned a gaming console since PS2 back in like 2001. My friends want me to get a 360 so I can play with them but I've got my heart set on a PS3.
[Off-topic] cubanjinx:
Ya I have not played since FF7 either and didn't like it then. Haha its def not for everyone. I can't wait for homefront. I hope its worth the hype. Xbox 360 ftw tho. Haha just wanted to recommend the new game :)

Via TT
[Off-topic] jgalan14:
Oh yeah I forgot to mention god of war 3 :-)
[Off-topic] jesziicuh:
Get the last resident evil fun game esp 2 player
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
YES! I am DEFINITELY buying that! Thank you for the reminder! Along those lines, what about Dante's Inferno?
[Off-topic] cubanjinx:
If u still have the option I think you should go with a 360 (persoanl opinion) but to each his own

Via TT
[Off-topic] cubanjinx:
Dante's inferno was a rental for me. Beat it within the week. Its fun but wouldn't play it over

Via TT
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
Yeah I have the option but like I said, my heart is set on a PS3. Plus, I want the blu-ray capability.
[Off-topic] sultan.of.swing:
Plus you can boot Linux on the ps3!
[Off-topic] cubanjinx:
I understand. Even if blue ray isn't THAT amazing :-P

Via TT
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
Gonna be honest here, I'm not a big enough tech nerd for that to be a factor in my decision but it's cool to know.

Oh but it is. If not for the picture (which is awesome, btw) but the sound quality improvements over DVD are ridiculous.
[Off-topic] edufur:
wow... seriously?

dude... are you just trying to flip the bird to the mods here? are you wanting to make a statement that you think XDA is a joke?
[Off-topic] cubanjinx:
I have map packs :-)

Via TT
[Off-topic] jgalan14:
Dantes inferno just beat it from my brother copy and not too much replay value

And about 360 and ps3 i go for .... both lol I even got the Wii but the ps3 does have some games that I prefer on it like the 360 got halo too :)
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
Yes, that is EXACTLY what I'm doing. Not even buying a PS3, just wanted to post a thread to piss off the mods and this was the first thing that came to mind.
[Off-topic] cubanjinx:
Wow seriously? Shouldn't you be in a lawn or under a bridge somewhere troll?

Via TT
[Off-topic] jgalan14:
I'm not a ps3 fanboy but blu ray movies are the s*** I dont buy dvd not more , 52 inch tv and good audio system and your set :)
[Off-topic] StealthTH:
Assuming you mean Dead Space 2, you should also pick up the original and play it prior to Dead Space 2. There is a lot going on in the sequel that directly ties in with the original.
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
I meant the first one. Like you said, I want to play through that one first and then get the second one. I got Dead Space on my iPad (which is frickin' amazing) and it got me intrigued with the storyline. Wanna play it start to finish.
[Off-topic] chairman_meow:
Hmm... Red dead redemption is fun, so is Black Ops/other Call of Duty games.

PSN games that are good: Fat Princess, Castle Crashers, Joe Danger, Plants vs. Zombies.
[Off-topic] edufur:
Here is some wonderful news for you... they created a special forum just for you... and I think they anticipated this question... and so if fits perfectly here:

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=261

Have a great day.
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
Duly noted and respectfully ignored.
[Off-topic] jgalan14:
Really dude he stayed it at first it was off topic and he has an evo so he felt sharing with Evo owners if a mod moves then fine other then that no one else is tripping
[Off-topic] blakeboys:
BFBC2.... nuff said.
[Off-topic] NewZJ:
uncharted series, red dead, gt5, killzone3, mgs 4, lbp2, and download/buy ff7 off the market to play on your ps3 ;)
[Off-topic] lost_man10002:
killzone 3 epic shooter game
[Off-topic] ausch30:
I recently bought one myself, I haven't had one since the PS2 around 05-06. I bought it to stream over my network and from netflix. I've always played FPS on PC so it was and still is a major adjustment playing them on a console, very different with a controller instead of a mouse. I bought MW2, MGS4, Fallout 3, MoH Limited Edition, and Madden 11. All good games imho although I mostly just play Madden.

The one great thing that I've found with buying it this late in it's life cycle is that there have been a lot of great games released over the last few years that can be had very cheap.
[Off-topic] HotInEER:
I have both, and would go with the 360 as the main choice, unless you need a blu-ray player also. Not to turn this into a flame console war.
[Off-topic] rugedraw:
Bulletstorm looks seriously fun. I'm a rent it this weekend and keep it if I like it.

I love Gran Turismo 5 (especially racing online), but I'm getting sick of Black Ops. Hopefully when the map packs come out it will bring new life to the game, but I think I'm over it already. Black Ops is pretty cool in 3D, though.
[Off-topic] sirphunkee:
You "Duly noted and respectfully ignored" our forum rules...?? :confused:

Unless you would like us to Duly note and respectfully ignore your desire to remain a member here, please respect the policies we have in place here, that you expressly agreed to follow when you joined.

Moving thread to Off-Topic section, and adding my vote to the recommendation for GT5 (hint: it'll even use the PS Eye for in-game head-tracking)
[Off-topic] bronxknight28:
wow theres a lot of titles that you can get now which is good, Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception is a great one Killzone 3 also great, blacks ops isnt as fun as Call of Duty use to be. Fallout: New Vegas I think is a beyond great game, despite being buggy as hell sometimes, the game is a great open world RPG. Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit and Grand Turismo 5 are lovely racing games. Red Dead Redemption is also another awesome one. I think its all about what you like to play. I can post forever about which games are good!
[Off-topic] RoseBuds:
Go with Black ops...hasn't got old for me yet
[Off-topic] rugedraw:
I keep forgetting about that! I haven't tried it yet.
[Off-topic] edufur:
1. It got moved... as it should have.

2. Based on your argument, if I got an STD, but have an EVO, and wanted to talk about the STD with other EVO owners, it would be appropriate to start a thread there?
[Off-topic] kingakuma:
i prefer my 360 for gaming, my ps3 is my media center and my wii collects dust

360 has a better online community and gaming experience

ps3 only has good EXCLUSIVES

Just remember if you wanna play with your friends online get what they have, but who says you can't have both

Gamer Tag PS3 & 360 = xKingAkumax
[Off-topic] Zori:
I own final fantasy 13.. I've hardly touched it. It's just too slow and repetitive. The best games I've played are infamous, uncharted 1 and 2, god of war, red dead redemption. One of the best games I've ever played was elder scrolls oblivion on the 360, but it's on ps3 as well. I really enjoy single player games obviously.. But they're great cause you can buy them online without paying full retail. Oh I also forgot the bioshock games.. The first one you can buy super cheap by now. I've also put a considerable amount of time into black ops and street fighter 4. I'm currently working on borderlands and have heavy rain on the back burner

Sent from my EVO 4G running MIUI with the XDA app!
[Off-topic] flyboyovyick:
well, i would now say don't get a ps3, but then i do own one.

The thing is when buying a console.

BUY THEM ALL!!!!

Then you can make your own mind up

I have a Wii, PS3 and xbox 360.

Ps3 is a bit slow, compared to 360 with the guide button being used in game.

SORRY this is well off the thread.

anyway once you have bought your ps3, go ahead and buy a 360 and a wii.

You will enjoy them!

Good luck with your ps3 and if you have money left over buy PS move and try it with killzone 3.
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
I also own that game, however it is stuck inside my ps3 after the useless ******* thing decided to crap out on me a couple of weeks ago.

Not really bothered about the game because it was crap but I was really getting into GT5 :mad::mad::mad::mad:
[Off-topic] jgalan14:
Oh yeah anyone the play black ops can add me JGP1 I haven't play it much but I'm planing too :)
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
Ok I bought Killzone 3, Bioshock, God of War 3, Assassin's Creed 2, Dead Space, Uncharted 2, and Dante's Inferno. I did good, right?

Anyone know if I can charge my controller with a AC USB charger?
[Off-topic] jgalan14:
Nice way to star man, and idk about charging but it seems to take forever, the ps3 doesn't take too long tho watch a movie leave it cooneceted and your good to go
[Off-topic] Lagspike:
3 other games?

GT5, God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 or Demon's Souls if you're into delicious japanese hardcore RPGs. Enjoy gaming's heaven.

Sent from my X10 Mini Pro
[Off-topic] bronxknight28:
Those are all great titles you bought, if you need a buddy add me!: MajorMinor_ (yes underscore too) and u can charge it via usb to your pc idk about wall tho
[Off-topic] _MetalHead_:
Cool, I'll add you. I'm TheGodDamnDevil (points to anyone who knows where I got that from without googling it). I probably won't be playing online for a bit, gotta get my gamer chops up to speed first!
[Nexus S General] princeasi:
Wow too my surprise, after installing the new update, I noticed right off the colors has been calibrated correctly! No more purplish in certain shades of grays now!

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] wko668:
2.3.3 also fixed my overly bright screen too. I used to have my NS always set on the lowest brightness setting and I still felt that it was too bright.
[Nexus S General] princeasi:
Yeah it did seem to improve the brightness as well. I like the new settings.

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] SupaDupaFly24:
You guys don't think its too yellowish now??