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[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
Is the Google Contacts and Calender synced over the air (wifi/3d) with your android?

I wonder if it is possible to sync my hotmail contacts to the google contacts as well?
[Desire HD General] Amator72:
Yes, very interesting thread. I am using iPhone 4 now and am considering changing to DHD. I have couple of questions too (especially to those who converted from iP to DHD):

1. Is the phone app and signal better than in iP?

2. Is battery life the same (basically one day) as in iP?

3. From the reviews on UTube I am sensing that navigation/maps are inferior versus the Google Maps for iP. Is it true?

4. Is the system search instant as in iP? How about writing sms or email - when you start typing in the address line, are names appearing instantly?

Thanks in advance!
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Yes, but a lot of developers , Cyanogen for one, actually use non windows OSes. So there are manual methods of doing S-OFF and root quite easily, also there are cross platform tools such as QtADB which allow you to manage ADB if your not comfortable with CLI
[Desire HD General] deadcookie:
Well for me I had problems with double twist regarding the meta tags. Do all the editing with another program manually.

For copying mp3 files and photos I use my partition, but for roms and basically all other stuff I use my win 7 boot camp partition.

So I can use all the windows exe files and also don't have to eject the drive after copying some new stuff on my sd card :)

Swyped from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
Not sure if I am right, but reception strength mostly is down to how good your phone network is. Regardless the little incident of the iphone "death grip"

Also, I think we simply cant generalize the battery life of a smartphone base on a few individual cases, because there is so many different things you can do on your smartphone, therefore too many factors to take into account. That being said, I think generally any smartphone that can last a little more then a day is good enough for me, especially when you are around a computer a lot like me. Your phone will hardly die since you are always in the proximity of a charger.

For the Google Maps and GPS function, I would be quite surprise if Google Maps in Android isn't implemented better iPhone. I mean come on, isn't google maps and android made by the same company????

From my observation, I think the Google Search in android is a little better then the standard search in iphone, I could be wrong thou, I would be interested to hear from users with first hand experiences.
[Desire HD General] faggi:
I used a I4 for 6 month and now I'm a happy user of a DHD.

1. The signal problem depend on the carrier. I haven't any problem with I4 and it's the same with the DHD.

2. On the beginning, the baterry life is not great but it becomes good after 1 week (1 day but with the I4, I was on 2 day).

3. I used Navigon on I4 and I use the same navigation app on the DHD. The app start more slowly as on the I4 but there is no problem.

4. I doesn't use a lot the search instant. I have no problem with SMS or e-mail writing and the names appear quickly.

Synchronisation with my Mac.

Calendar and Contact : Synchronisation Mac <-> Google <-> DHD. I have before MobileMe. I imported all in Google and activated the synchronisation without any problem.

Itunes, photos, videos, podcast : Salling Media Sync sold on the Mac Store, this sinchronisation is done via USB (faster synchronisation). I have no problem with DHD and the song bought on Itunes. A lot of format are included by HTC.
[Desire HD General] Amator72:
Thanks a lot! I am starting to consider to wait for the alleged Desire HD2. Is it going to be launched this year indeed? If they launch it that fast this must mean they would be going for fast fixes ver the first version.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
I have a question regarding syncing iCal to Google Calender. It seems then after I added Google Calender to my iCal, all the future events that I add under "Google Calender" will be synced both ways.

However, all my old events previously added in my Home calender still stays offline. Is there a way to solve this? I can't even more my home calenders to Google Cal.

Please help :)
[Desire HD General] faggi:
Before the synchronisation of ICal with google, I imported all my events im Google (do an export of the events on your desktop and after go to google to import it, by this way, you will have a backup of your events). And after that I have done the synchronisation with ICal. When all Events are in ICal, I deleted the old calendar to delete the double events.
[Desire HD General] dejongj:
1. Not noticed a difference between the two

2. Owning both, DHD is definitely worse but you can make it a lot better with a heck of a lot of tweaking so if that float your boat then it could be the same again.

3. No way, DHD wins in this area.

4. Yes, both in address line but also in the universal search like with Spotlight

Calendar as faggi highlighted, do an export from iCal first and then import in Google Calendars and then you can subscribe to it in iCal and it will sync with cloud and phone. However please be aware that if you have multiple calendars it looks rather clumsy in iCal when using Google compared to MobileMe

Contacts synching via Google contacts work well. However for some stupid reason, which as far as I have been able to found out has existed for years now, Google has a habit of compressing photos that you assign to contacts. A real bad thumbs down that is. Then also if you have people with double barreled names, pre/post fix titles Google gets its knickers in a twist also. It tries to be too clever in how it tries to understand where the space is and which part of the name goes well. This was perfect in MobileMe and Google is just messing it up, I've had to change my own name to get it to work.

Music/Video/Photos - Doubletwist is your friend, it works well together with iTunes. Just be aware, yet again Google has half heartedly implemented a standard and for whatever daft reason it doesn't recognise compilation albums using the correct MP3 metadata tags so those albums are really mixed up on the device.

Just don't expect the level of integration like on iOS/OSX/iTunes where if you were watching a movie on say your AppleTV and paused it and then continue on your phone it would be exactly there where you left. Android is rather dumb that way.

But otherwise it is an ok phone.

For the radio flash etc had to open Windows but my Windows 7 image in VMWare did it all perfectly fine. For the rest once you install the sdk in OSX you can do anything via the tools in there.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
btw, is there a way to unlock the phone using a Mac, or I have to do it thru windows?

thanks
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
I have said it before but it obviously bears repeating, the functionality of all the one touch tools is available thought the CLI so there it's no need for windows at all. So yes you can unlock the phone without windows
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
Oic, I must be missed it in this thread at some point. Thanks again.

Do you think you can elaborate the process a bit more, or is there a guide some where? What is CLI btw?

Many thanks :)
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
CLI = Command Line Interface, the guide your after is here
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
Have been doing some reading.

So basically I need to install Android SDK to gain access to the ADB, and through ADB I can manually root, s-off, unlock, install rom on the android phone.

And the QTadb is a more user friendly version of it.

Is that correct?
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Yeah, QtADB actually provides a GUI for carrying out a lot of the ADB stuff, although you will need to install the Android SDK first. Dont be put off at the lack of One touch tools, most of the instructions out there although appearing daunting are fairly straight forward and at least if it fails you'll know where.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
I won't be put off doing a bit of command typing, I am more worried abt if I have to install windows doing some of the stuff. But looks like the QTadb is really handy :D
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
What is Super CID?
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
the CID (customer ID) tells the device what network the phone is on, it's used to stop you flashing incorrect ROM versions, a device assigned the Super CID will accept any RUU Roms for flashing.
[Desire HD General] dr.m0x:
It's called the htc pyramid. It's got a 1.2 ghz dual core snapdragon, adreno 220 gpu, and 1 gb ram. Probably not until Q3 but sounds worth the wait.

Also, windows is for noobs. Learn to use the command line noobs.

Sent from my super slick Android device.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
Shame that the 4G technology is still no where in sight in UK, and probably won't be until 2012, with the goverment asking for insanely steep price for the 3G license a few years ago.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
So the address book sync with google contacts two ways? meaning if my exisiting contacts in my address book with automatically be synced with google contacts, vice and versa?
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
I am also having problem actually syncing anything with my google contacts, because I couldn't actually find the "sync button" on my address book!. In the general perference, there is an option letting set up a google account, but I can't sync nothing??

Can anyone help?
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
So it is actually possible to use QTadb to do the perm root, simlock with the guide you gave me? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=857444

Or I have to actually gain root first before I can use QTadb, the website might have mentioned it, but it was very clear, so I am not sure.

Got my hands on my Desire HD today, can't wait to try this out :D
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Ok, I had problems running the latest version (bear in mind that I'm actually running linux not MacOS) make sure you have the required dependecies (listed as Qt 4.7 libraries on the download page, give me a shout if it still fails and I'll do some digging (BTW I ran it from the command line, which gave better information as to why it was failing)
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
many thanks for your quick reply. I think I got it working now, but I haven't connected my phone to it yet.

I read up I need to install busybox on my phone for it to work prooperly. It is only something that can be done after I rooted my phone?
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Oops, yes I've not noticed that, I rooted as soon as it was available so hadn't appreciated it.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
I know are you a linux user, but by any chance you understand this?

You can add /tools to your root path which will prevent the need to specify the full path to the tools directory along with enabling you to run Android Debug Bridge (adb) along with other command line tools.

To add /tools:

Mac OS X

In the home directory locate the .bash_profile and locating the PATH variable add the location to your $SDK_ROOT/tools folder.
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
search in your home folder for the file .bash_profile (.** are hidden by default in *nix assuming same is true of Mac OS x) within that text file should be a line starting PATH probably reads PATH= to this line add the full path of your tools folder i.e PATH=/usr/local/bin/AndroidSDK/Platform-tools
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
I think I might have just done something stupid. I inserted my Three simcard into the phone and see if it is actually locked. (Turns out it is obviously) And now I cant remove my simcard for some stupid reason because my micro-sim adapter is stucked in the phone. And I cant bypass the simlock screen to access visionary for root and sim unlocked...

Quite a predicatment.. LOL

What can I do. :( ?

EDIT: Fix the simcard problem :D looking at youtube.
[Desire HD General] nxtwrld:
Yes, just go to Address book preferences and set up syncing with Google and use the same account that you use on the DHD.

As for Calendar I use BusyCal instead of iCal as I had problems inserting events to google calendar using iCal.

The really nice part is, that I never have to sync my mac and my phone, all is done instantly and automatically.

I also use Doubletwist Air sync to sync my music and playlists over WiFi.

Now, I only need the Things app to be also available on Android....
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
i couldn't figure out the .bash_profile thing at the end.

but I manage to s-off and sim unlock using adb after reinstalling it :D
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Glad to see you got there you've done the hard bits now the rest is easy sailing
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
I am thinking if I should do the eng off, I read it on cyanogen they make it sound very risky doing it.
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Not really, if you flash a corrupted h-boot you could have problems, but check the md5 of your downloaded h-boot before proceeding, if you've got QtADB working you can flash the bootloader from there further lessening the risk.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
I think I got Qtadb working, but not sure if it is working totally correctly, because the application tab is un-selectable.

May be its due to the tools getting this message at the beginning, "adb cannot run as root in production builds” message.

I am not sure what is means totally, something like it wouldn't work with a official stock rom?
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
bumping the thread for my previous question.

And I have another question, base on what I read on the forum, after I applied S-OFF, Sim Unlock, Super CID and Eng OFF plus a custom Radio. If I install an OTA update from official HTC, to update my firmware, I won't lose anything except my Eng Off right?
[Desire HD General] htc fan89:
I'm guessing Htc will never make htc sync for Mac os X. Which mac are you guys using? I'm using 2010 macbook pro.:D
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
yeah it appears with stock rom, or even some customs, ADB can't get permission to r/w system partition, you might be able to try installing mount /system r/w but if you've already installed a custom rom it should all work now?
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
I haven't install any custom yet, as I want to test the stock Rom a few more days to compare the differences.

I think I might go for the cw7 rc1.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
Any idea how to do a md5 check on a mac platform.

I looked up on the net, it seems the software for this purpose is for windows only.

thanks
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
have you tried this?
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
I think the download source isn't available, i did a search as well.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
i found this online:

http://www.neilturner.me.uk/2006/09/10/verifying_md5_checksums_o.html

I tried it, and the command spit out something like this:

MD5(hboot-eng.img)= df4fd77f44993eb05a4732210d2eddc6

What does that mean?

Also is there a way to verify I have Eng-off?
[EVO 4G General] lowspeed:
So i'll start with the good, the screen is really nice.

The bad:

Not 4.3 :) even though it's higher res, it's nice to have larger size text.

I launched google maps and I wanted to see how the 2 finger rotating worked on both. It actually worked better on the EVO. You would think with a powerful cpu the atrix would be able to rotate with no lag...

Anyway, we're not missing much (It probably is better at 3D games which i don't normally do on my phone)

Edit:

I must add though that the build quality seemed excellent and it's nice size phone with perfect weight. It's a nice product don't get me wrong.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
I hope you have your anti-flame forcefield on, because you are about to get thrashed with flames from every angle. The usual suspects are gonna give you the business and tell you how your opinion is not even close to being correct.......even though its your opinion. lol
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Who flames in the EVO section. He just said my EVO is better. Thanks I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Just wait and see....
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
You're in denial. It's a defense mechanism, so don't worry.

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[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
The OP is spot on.

65nm single core a8 1ghz snap dragon with no name gpu > 40nm dual core a9 1ghz tegra with nvidia gpu

1500 mah battery > 1930 mah battery

512mb of ram > 1gb of ram

480x800 resolution > 960x540 resolution

1 gb of internal storage > 16 gb of internal storage

the atrix is not even close.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
LOL.......
[EVO 4G General] Rippley05:
All I know about motorola is that their buld quality seems really solid. I don't care for Blur, but root solves that. The phone seems like a winner.

My buddy had an original Droid, was playing Pandora one day while we were about 25 feet in the air on a boom lift... dropped that sucker and all it did was pop the battery door off and scratch it a little... still worked like a charm.

Sadly, if I dropped my EVO from that Height.. it's smartphone heaven. I do still love my EVO tho
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
The actual core of the cpu is an a8 cortex. I believe Google maps doesn't use much of the gpu, and Android and Android apps might not be able to make much use of multiple cores or threads.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
the tegra 2 uses cortex a9 cores. but your probably right that android currently isn't optimized for the tegra2/dual core.
[EVO 4G General] nabbed:
Atrix suffers from one severe limitation, which for many will be a complete deal breaker - ATT + their awesome atrix premium charges for using the atrix functionality.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
bet if the atrix said evo and sprint on it you would think the world of it and go into the land of iphony and preach its gospel to the unenlightened
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Also its encrypted bootloader is definately a turn off. Wont be much development with it and it will go in the way of the milestone, droid X and other moto locked crapola.
[EVO 4G General] spiicytuna:
Is that like the $10 premium data plan we pay for?
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
...and we get 500 kb/s 3g in return. thanks sprint!
[EVO 4G General] lowspeed:
I have noticed that 3g is incredibly slow, something changed. It used to be very fast.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
yup, two years ago i used to brag about how fast sprint 3g was. gizmodo even rated them as having the fastest 3g of all carriers. then hspa+ came and t-mo/at&t passed us which was bad enough, but then sprint's 3g just took a complete nose dive over the last couple of months. what the hell is up with that? sprint's 3g is no where near as competitive with anyone anymore.
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
Preach on brother! Can I get an amen?

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[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Not with a locked bootloader because all of the good Dev's on here would not be supporting it, so it really wouldn't be worth it. No CM7 Love or probably fresh or anyone else.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Yeah something is not right at all. I'll give till June. Then I'm calling to complain that my premium data is not premium and I want the $10 charge removed till I get my premium data back.
[EVO 4G General] chris66:
I'd settle for 56k before I dealt with ATT.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I think people will manage.

Considering that it has root already (tethering + other root apps), gets better battery life than any current Android phone, and can run any game/app flawlessly out of the box. So you can waste hours, days, months flashing the EVO with any custome ROM or kernel but it will never approach the performance and efficiency of the Atrix. So like I said, I'm sure Atrix users will manage.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
*YAWN*

I knew you would show up eventually.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
...and I knew that emotionally attached EVO users as yourself would be all over this thread.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
How do you know that it currently gets better battery life than any current Android phone? Samsung Galaxy 4G battery life > Motorola Attix, imo.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I haven't read reviews on the Galaxy 4G yet, so you may be right. All I can say is that most reviews I've read peg the Atrix at over 24 hours with heavy use. Not surprising for a phone with a 40nm dual core running mostly incredibly simple mobile apps on a 1930 mAh battery.

Edit: The streak beats it but it's up there. Galaxy 4G not tested.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
I hope those reviews didn't come from the same sources who reviewed the droid X and claimed 16-20 hours of heavy usage, and then once the phone actaully hit the streets, they blew up all the forums talking about how they barely got 8 hours. Yea reviews really are the end all be all.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
What about the benchmark by Anandtech that I just posted? Oh yeah, that's right - the EVO can't possibly be bested by another device. Sorry for wasting your time.
[EVO 4G General] akarol:
Wow... really? I've seen people claim the EVO is better than the Incredible, even the iPhone 4, but the Atrix? That's stretching quite a bit.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
What was posted means nothing to me because there are no details on what was used. Im assuming all they used were stock. There have been quite a few updates that fixed the earlier issues the EVO had with battery. Not to mention is really isn't indicative of MY EVO sense im running CM7 with savagezen kernel and get well over a day with a charge so its a really nice graph, but it doesn't mean ****.

BTW, not sure who said there were no phones better than the EVO, I certainly didn't so you can direct those comments to who actually is saying so.
[EVO 4G General] mykenyc:
I might have missed something, but the OP never stated the EVO was better. He simply stated for those who not demanding raw power in 3d gaming, your're not missing much.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Nah you didn't miss anything, but there are certain people around here who jump on you even when you just mention things like the OP did. They feel that regardless who says it, there is noway anyone should like their EVO over ANY phone that has been released after it.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
I think the best phone should be determined by the owner, not just by the specs. If a BlackBerry is perfect for you, then that's your perfect phone. Nexus One with it's development, defeats plenty of new, better spec'd 4G phones now. G1 is one of my all time favorite phones, because of the development and community. I wouldn't compare it to the EVO, but it doesn't matter to me.
[EVO 4G General] Rippley05:
The atrix is a sick sick phone, no doubt. But The coverage area for AT&T around here is extremely poor... so that alone kills it for me.

Also, I don't consider it a waste of time when I root and customize my phone.. I actually enjoy it.

So IMO... would I drop the EVO and Sprint for the Atrix and AT&T? Hell no, not a chance.

If the Atrix had the dev support of the evo and came to sprint would I make a change? Umm.. yea.. ? =p
[EVO 4G General] tauzins:
people are starting to forget how the hell cpu's work... software has to be optimized for the hardware to work well with it, if android isnt made for dual core yet then you cant compare... people will also forget that the use of dual core is seemingly pointless we have a PHONE you want something with raw power? get a damn laptop
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
Lol....what he said!
[EVO 4G General] TorxT3D:
LOL at detu.

*sigh* i remember when the evo was the "epictacular god phone"

times change, i guess its the atrix' turn.

its a badass phone no doubt, too bad its crippled by att
[EVO 4G General] nabbed:
No, it's $45 for data + $25 for tethering to use the laptop mode, on top of their normal plans.
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
Just like the EVO is crippled by Sprint.

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[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
And it's not unlimited, comes with 4GB.

Their maximum offering.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
4gb, I could download the cm nightly every night and almost break that, 133mb/day