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[Windows Phone 7 General] wwfc:
Samsung Omnia 7 - Orange UK, no update yet, really starting to bug me. On an off note is anyone else experiencing marketplace problems? I downloaded a song and it got to 81% before saying attention required, so I clicked on it and it said windows live id services are unavailable; but when I use the Zune pc software to download anything it works fine and puts it on the phone straight away. This has been like this for a week now, its really awkward having to connect my phone to the computer every time I want a new app or song, any suggestions as to what may be causing this?
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
If I were you, I'd check your assumptions. He would know better than any of us what microsoft plans are. Beyond the idle conjecture of zOMG carriers may be blocking the update because we haven't gotten them, what has this entire post done?

...

yeah nothing
[Windows Phone 7 General] Saste:
So my German Vodafone trophy has not updated yet...

Regards saste

Sent from my 7 Trophy using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] zard:
A colleague with LG Optimus 7 with Starhub received the update. Myself, a HD7 with Singtel has not received the update (Singapore)

Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
ORANGE France

LG Optimus 7

Still no update :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] alesscam:
someone is advanced :confused:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=965863
[Windows Phone 7 General] comeradealexi:
if there are problems with the update then it not being available for certain people is actually a good thing for them... the carriers mught want to see how the update affects other devices before releasing it to their customers! so the carriers are good!
[Windows Phone 7 General] jmerrey:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't MS say the update would be rolling out in waves over the next few days? I'm not trying to argue the carrier blocking issue, but why are some people getting "pissed" that they haven't gotten the update yet...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nunyobiznes:
That has to be the most laughable thing I have ever heard. GOVERNMENT offering more choices, faster turnaround and competition. LMFAO!!!!!! Is this the same government that brought you Social Security, IRS, the postal service and the department of motor vehicles. That's definitely my idea of effieciency and quality customer service.

I think Microsux should go the apple route and control the hardware too. Less issues that way. Or maybe they should offer the phone os direct to consumers abd its your job to ensure your device is hardware compliant.

BTW - I have a HD2 WP7 on TMo and I got the notification for the update. I wonder if it kills Chevron so I haven't installed it yet. Any confirmation if it does kill it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Can some of you guys use common sense when talking about upgrading your HD2? You're using a device which has an OS that you didn't a) pay for, and b) isn't designed for your device, do you honestly think the update is going to install on your device? Let's use our minds a little here, if it could, don't you think it would have been a hell of a lot easier to port WP7 to your device?
[Windows Phone 7 General] gremmmy:
I have a Omnia 7 unbranded with Vodafone NL

I received the update
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
Or they could update on this one and skip NoDo, right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] failtorespond:
If my carrier skips nodo it will be the end of wp7 for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I've already given up on T-Mobile. I'm still using them, but if they dare skip ANY updates, I will file-13 them immediately.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MonzaznoM:
HTC 7 Trophy

A1 Mobilkom Austria

no update
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
1. Look, I copy and pasted a quote from the official WP7 forum. There was no change of context. I am not arguing who knows more about anything - I merely copy and pasted a relevant post from WP7 support on the official forum.

2. This thread has allowed us to clearly see that pretty much no carrier branded handsets have received the update. This means, most likely, that the update has simply not rolled out to carriers yet.

From this, we can so far suggest, that unbranded handsets were the first wave/guinea pigs for the update, and once the issues are ironed out the update will then be issued to the carrier branded handsets - or no carriers approved the update. Given we dont really know at what point the carriers approve the update, it could be that that is what we are waiting for right now.

That is all. It is not zOMG anything. It is learning about the update process, and seeing that those with carrier branded handsets that have not received the update should relax, as nobody else with a carrier branded handset seems to have got it either.

PS. It is not obligatory to open, read, or post in this thread if it somehow upsets people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] skythunder83:
I have 2 HTC Mozart + HD7 buy it from Germany T-Mobile with open sim

Using them all in Middle East at Saudi Arabia with STC carrier.

Noooo update
[Windows Phone 7 General] jwalk74:
Nothing.

HTC HD7 T-Mobile USA
[Windows Phone 7 General] manny84:
Unbranded Omnia 7 with T-Mobile.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bennyj71:
Samsung Focus ATT No Update. Heck, I don't know how we receive mention of the update. Do we get a text or something shows up in marketplace?
[Windows Phone 7 General] moneysaver05:
vodafone UK LG Optimus7
[Windows Phone 7 General] the92playboy:
Tonight, about 8pm, Bell Mobility pushed their update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WithinRafael:
I read the post, did you?

No where did he state a carrier blocked an update. One could argue he inferred as such, but that's what we call speculation. Not fact.
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
What is your problem, seriously.

No where in my post did I say any carriers HAVE blocked the update, only that it appears from their statements that they have, as you say, inferred. Again, the statement is not out of context - it's there in it's entirity for everyone to read.

if you don't want to contribute to the thread, why not avoid it. There are plenty of people both here and on other forums quite interested in when carriers release the update and if others have received it.

That aside.

We have learned something about the update process from all this, and that's carriers can approve update delivery on their schedule - that's something they never mentioned before.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IcePanther:
Orange (FR), LG Optimus 7, no update here either.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Assassin5150:
Why doesn't Microsoft just cut the carriers out of the equation and just distribute it through Zune or through the phone manufactures. I see no point of going through the carriers they have no software embedded in the windows phone 7 roms. What testing are they gonna do that Mircosoft,HTC,Samsung,LG, and Dell can't do. It would save alot time sending the updates out to 5 manufactures instead of 50 carriers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PCDOCLEE:
Here is my take. Having been in the computer business, dealing with Microsoft for 21 years now, anyone who updates anything from Microsoft on the day of release is an idiot. Actually I paraphrased a paragraph from a paid Windows newsletter I get so I can quote it here, but it's true.

Those who did not get the update that would or could have possibly bricked your phone should be happy about it - not so critical of the carrier in this case.

In fact, Microsoft is not the only vendor to release a patch that caused problems, they just happen to be the 800 pound gorilla. They simply can't do regression testing for every single possibility.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
The carriers contract with MS to sell the phones loaded with WP7. That gives them leverage. If all WP7 phones were sold unlocked, yeah, that would allow MS to do what they want. But to subsidize phones, they have to reciprocate favors.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kapanak:
As stated, Telus LG Optimus 7 and Telus HTC Surround have yet to receive and update, and Telus Customer Service has "no information to offer at this time". Rogers Samsung Focus updates are getting errors and bricked phones as well...Bell has already rolled out its update for LG Quantum and HTC HD7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
Exactly, at the end of the day, we are not Microsoft's customer, the OEM's are.

And we dont buy phones directly from OEMS, the carriers do, making them the carriers customer.

Microsoft has to play a balancing act, keeping all parties happy to ensure growth of the platform.

At the end of the day, we are solely the customer of the Carriers, and thus why once we iron out who gets updates when - it will empower us to make the correct choice of carrier for those who want the updates sooner rather than later.

To Microsoft, we are not customers, we are end users.
[Windows Phone 7 General] k2reefa:
vodafone UK LG Optimus7

still no update think i might flash it to the EUROPE open rom :)

i know its not a big update but flashing the open might maybe fix ma bluetooth issues
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
Ok, for Australian WP7'rs, we have news from the major carriers:

Optus has tested and approved the latest Windows Phone 7 update and Microsoft will release it to our customers shortly.

Telstra was rather less definitive:

We are still working with our handset partners on the update and don’t have a firm release date at this stage

In practice, that sounds like it might be a “wait for the major update” response — not entirely surprising given Telstra has the widest range of Windows Phone 7 handsets and has put the most effort into developing its own presence on the phone.

Only Vodafone is committed to both updates:

The February 2011 software update is expected to be released next week. The subsequent software update is expected in early March.

from http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011/02/when-will-australias-carriers-get-windows-phone-7-updates/
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
At least your carriers are being more informative, the carriers here in blighty are saying nothing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zard:
SingTel, Singapore, HD7, no update.

Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] bennyj71:
Question

So if the Zune Software is supposed to perform the update for your phone, how can carrier's block it? Seems like MS would have known weeks ago whose getting it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FishFaceMcGee:
You put far more faith in a Tech Support's word on AT&T's potential policy than I think is wise. Not saying you're wrong, just saying that if you asked them a year ago, they probably would have said they weren't holding back the BlackBerry OS5 update for the Bold 9000 when it was available on every other carrier in the world for a year before AT&T let it out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Neo325:
Vodafon Germany , HTC Trophy atm no Update...
[Windows Phone 7 General] adamelphick:
Isn't this thread a bit pointless now MS has withdrawn the update until the Samsung issues are sorted?
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
Please link to where Microsoft contradict the blog post saying all non samsung updates are still go.

But as a precaution, we’ve briefly suspended updates to Samsung phones. We are continuing to update other Windows Phone models as scheduled.

Here's the link to that for your convenience http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/archive/2011/02/23/more-answers-about-our-first-software-update.aspx

The updates have slowed to a crawl because it's not likely any carriers are releasing it over the weekend.

I actually have confirmation from three carriers in my country that THEY are holding up the update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cdub66:
For fun, I just called Telus inquiring about a WP7 upgrade.

(after coming back from "checking with technical support").."There is no Windows Phone software update available to Telus at this time. We expect a Windows Phone software upgrade sometime in March."

That's what I got told. I'm not into arguing with people who have no power to change the outcome, so I said "thanks" and hung up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
I'm not going to argue this fact, however, I would like to know if you have actual confirmation on this or if it has simply been confirmed by the customer services reps reading from a script?

So far as I can tell no-one has had actual confirmation any carriers are blocking any updates at this time, it's all hearsay and speculation based on what these script-reading-monkeys have said and/or tweeted.

IMO, this update is so small that it comes straight from Microsoft with no involvement by the networks at all. At least that's what I've been reading between the lines. I've got two Omnia 7 handsets (both purchased branded TMODE, one previously re-flashed with a generic ROM) and they both received the update (albeit close to a day between) whereas I know lots of other people on TMODE never received any notifications at all. The same goes for most other networks it seems, some people have received them, others have not - basically confirming the statement from MS about it being a staggered release.
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
If you read my prevoius posts, you would see that Vodafone Australia gave this week as a firm date from when their customers would receive the update. Companies dont generally offer this level of specificity when they are guessing.

From Telstra, we were advised that they dont have a dedicated team to approve these updates, and a small project team was created to test the update before release whilst still having their normal roles to attend to. They are not sure when they are ready to let it go, but promise this week to give us a firmer time frame.

I you read the official posts from Microsoft, it clearly states - specifically relating to the present update:

Another reason is that Microsoft and the carriers we’ve partnered with around the world need time to test phone updates to make sure they meet our joint quality, performance, and reliability standards. Testing schedules can vary, and that affects when you’ll be able to download an update.

We’re working closely with our worldwide partners to determine update delivery schedules and also looking for ways to improve the process.

Any suggestion that carriers aren't involved in field testing updates before approving them for their branded handsets is speculation on your part.
[Windows Phone 7 General] maptu4a:
VIVACOM (Bulgaria) LG Optimus 7 - Update 7008 completed.The phone cant be relock with ChevronWP7 Unlocker and my phone now is slower than before update..HOW CAN I UNINSTALL THIS UPDATE AND INSTALL MY BEFORE VERSION OF OS?!?!
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
others have said they've been able to unlock the phone after the patch fine. you've also been the first to say that it's slower than before. have you tried doing a complete shut down, taking the battery out and leaving it out for a few minutes, and try booting it up again?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Talys:
Thanks for doing that. I have a telus handset that's unlocked and being used on another network. At the moment, I have no active Telus SIM although, I can easily borrow one if that's what it came to. I wonder how MS determines who is "eligible" for upgrade in this case. :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
By the CID of your firmware, you will most likley get it once others with your handset receive it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cdub66:
Well, I'll post up soon as I'm able to do it so you'll know.
[Windows Phone 7 General] moonshines:
i have a t-mobile branded htc hd7 and im using it on a different carrier here in the philippines. if carriers are responsible for sending out the updates,would this mean that i wont get any? i asked my mobile carrier and they are not even aware of any windows phone updates yet they are exclusively selling htc mozart ...:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Steve_OD:
Vodafone NZ - No update in sight yet !
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Vodafone Portugal - no update.

Asked their support directly, thru email and support forum... you either get silence or total lack of knowledge.
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
Carriers don't send out the update, Microsoft does.

Microsoft gives them the update to test, the carriers then approve the release of the update.

The actual network carrier you are using is not what matters, it's the carrier who branded your handset. That is why others with unbranded handsets on a network, or branded handsets from a carrier that has approved the update, get the update - even if that carriers own branded handsets are not getting it.

Hope this makes sense.
[Windows Phone 7 General] moonshines:
that explains it!

got confused there for awhile. in fact i was starting to fear that i wont ever get the update because my mobile carrier is not aware of any updates m$ is releasing.

so that explains most or if not all of the tmobile winphones hasnt receive any update.

thank you very much for the info.:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
Seems that very few handsets have had any updates, maybe ms have pulled it completely.
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
The plot thickens.

On another forum, a member spoke to someone involved in the testing of the update for Telstra (not a telephone agent) and he wrote that he only received it late last week :eek:

He said they aren't releasing it until mid March.

Now the questions are:

1. Are we talking about nodo here, or the one from early last week?

2. Why on earth did they get EITHER update so late?

3. Did any carriers actually get last weeks update, or was it a ploy to ensure ALL handsets get the next one on time by not giving carriers a chance to test it and consider it as falling behind a cycle (meaning it goes out to all on March 8 with nodo).

4. Telstra is full of crap (highly likely)

Why the xxxx will Microsoft not just tell us what's happening?
[Windows Phone 7 General] VelJharig:
Interesting... I've actually received the February update prompt while on Telus, with an unlocked Samsung Focus purchased from Rogers. I'm holding off on the update while MS sorts out the Samsung firmware issue (confirmed with MS Support via twitter that we should wait until an announcement is made). Still, I have received the notification, so some of the update notifications on Telus are going out. I suspect the Telus support person talking to cdub66 didn't know about the small February update, and just referred to the NoDo update as the next available update for Telus.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
What is the Twitter handle or link for WP7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] VelJharig:
It's @WinPhoneSupport, and they seem to respond pretty fast during their working hours.

Cheers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tbk21:
The O2 branded HD7 got the first update(finally)
[Windows Phone 7 General] evolutionqy7:
Same.

Got the update on my O2 Ireland HD7

And got the update for my non-branded Omnia 7 at the same time. Both went through trouble free
[Windows Phone 7 General] hr_kaleu:
got the update here on my omnia 7 (a1 / telekom austria)

went without any errors
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
http://wpcentral.com/microsoft-resume-samsung-pre-nodo-updates-today

MS says more rollouts starting today.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hoaisonongame:
OMG I'm so jealous with u guys. My Tmobile US HD7 still not have any update :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] MonzaznoM:
got the update for Trophy on A1 Mobilkom Austria

no problems so far
[Windows Phone 7 General] zard:
Got my update on HD7 - Singtel.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enoder:
Tmobile us HD7 here....no update yet
[Windows Phone 7 General] pittphan:
Tmous hd7 no update for me.

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Is there ANYbody from the US who has gotten the update? lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryu3033:
No, No love here in the US:(

Tmo HD7
[Windows Phone 7 General] _nameless:
pre-NoDo update for LG Optimus 7

I've just installed the pre-NoDo update on a LG Optimus 7 (in Romania).
[Windows Phone 7 General] weepatc:
Received the update notification on my O2 UK HD7. When I hooked up to Zune software on my PC & press Updates in the phone settings. It starts the 'Checking for updates' process but goes no further. Ive tried a few times but same thing. Anyone else experienced this? Does anyone have any ideas how to overcome this & get the update started? Zune software is up to date.

Edit: Tried again today & it updated flawlessly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gluonyc:
I've just updated my LG E900 from Optimus Portugal :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Freypal:
Gonna be interesting to see how this latest one turns out for Samsung devices
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
HTC Trophy - Vodafone Portugal

My update came yesterday and went smooth as silk. :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Lokatho:
HTC 7 Trophy - Vodafone Netherlands

No update
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
UK O2 HD7, update went through last night, took about ten minutes, no problems encountered at all. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] o0MattE0o:
Same but I have a vodafone sim card inside atm... Might move to 3 Mobile soon :D as they do all you can eat data....
[Windows Phone 7 General] Paolo01:
So has any USA att wireless customer seen the mini update made available for their Samsung Focus?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Freypal:
Has anyone on Orange uk had a notification? I don't recall hearing of any.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Michael-Dallas:
Me, my co-worker, and my friend haven't.

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to suggest that AT&T releases updates when it passes their testing processing; an they are skipping this pre-update update and currently testing NoDo. Or, this pre-update update just didn't pass their testing (as noticed by the current issues). :D

FWIW, I know that any new phone that AT&T picks up has to go through 3-4 months of independent testing. For example, if AT&T were to offer a Nokia WP7, then the phone would have to be submitted to testing & certification now if they want to launch it in Q4.

So it would not surprise me if they had a similar process for updates.

Michael.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Answer: buy an unlocked penta band Nokia WP7 phone, at&t is no longer a factor.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Michael-Dallas:
Yep, the Focus is my first branded phone in a loooong time. If I had known that Nokia was going to WP7, then I would have just kept my N900 and waited another year for a Nokia WP7.

Michael.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Lokatho:
Received the update today....
[Windows Phone 7 General] AawarA:
No update :(

Omnia 7 --- Orange UK
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Agreed, if I had known the promise of updates being controlled completely by MS was a lie I would have waited for an unbranded unlocked device to be available. With my previous HD2 there was no expectation of getting updates but WP7 was supposed to be different. Last time I believe anything Microsoft says about anything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hoaisonongame:
Has anyone using TMobile US has any update yet? :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] nok_fusion:
orange & SFR sucks they block the update in France,Microsoft Said it :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] moneysaver05:
i got my update from vodafone UK today for my lg e900
[Windows Phone 7 General] t0nnn:
Still nothing for me...HD7
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikecw:
Mozart - Orange UK

Apologies if someone has already posted this...

See this link to Orange UK support:

help.orange.co.uk/orangeuk/support/personal/508177

However, still not seeing any update listed in Zune...

If you follow the link on above page you are taken to "How to..." page. Note the screenshot that says "... update includes Jan Kit (???) and OS Version 7389"

Zune screen shot appears to come from a synced Dell Venue Pro...

Conspiracy theory I know, but perhaps Orange already have the "next" update, and are testing and preparing to release an all-in-one version?

Mike
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
Not a conspiricy theory at all.

Telstra have in fact indicated that they were only given noDo (as the update code they were given days after the Feb update, and said was to be launched in mid march), and this could very well be the case for some of these major carriers.

We will know in a few days hey!