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[Epic 4G General] professoroak:
From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.

Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.

I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.
[Epic 4G General] Gersonian:
Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
[Epic 4G General] Kitteh298:
Lol screw samsung and sprint for updates. Devs for the win.

From My Samsung Epic Using TapaTalk.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone.. :p

sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
[Epic 4G General] byersbw:
Heavy

I've had the Epic and the Evo, not the Shift tho. But I've played with the Shift for a while and one thing that surprises me is HOW HEAVY it is! For the weight difference, I'd almost just get the Epic. Regardless... if you want a billion ROM's that's hard to decipher and just really be confused most of the time, get an HTC. Tho, I will say their stock ROM's hand Samy's rear to them. The build quality on all three phones I would say are on par with each other.

The GPS on the Evo is AMAZING! I ALWAYS get a quick lock (within 5-10 seconds of opening up maps), and after 15-20 seconds, it's accurate to 3m (9 feet!), the Epic, not so much. After about 30 seconds, it'd lock, and only be accurate to 20m (60 feet!?!). As for using navigation on the phone, again, I would buy a garmin or tom-tom before I'd use the Epic's navigation.

Bottom line, yeah, if you need a phone that just works, any HTC is the way to go. BUT, the screen, size of keyboard, how good it plays games, did I mention the screen quality? are unmatched on the Epic. Hardware-wise (beyond maybe the GPS), the Epic is unbeaten.
[Epic 4G General] Electrofreak:
The answers to all of your questions in this thread. A very nice debate between some of us hardware nuts. (I won. :p)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=907182
[Epic 4G General] Electrofreak:
Untrue. Stop using Quadrant and Linpack (outdated benchmarks that are optimized for Snapdragon) and you'll see that it is simply not the case.

MHz for MHz, the Qualcomm MSM SoCs are slightly more powerful than the Hummingbird, but at 800 MHz they still fall behind the 1 GHz S5PC110.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
I was using smartbench what do u think of that one?
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
I got the shift by the way... and I'm am loving it. Superior device imo.
[Epic 4G General] epic4GEE:
Shift is good, but the epic is on a whole other level, in terms of hardware. Stock the shift has the better software, but if your going to mod your phone with some of the awesome xda dev software.......that's where you'll see what I mean by being on a whole other level. Don't wait to long to trade your new shift in and get a real upgrade ;)
[Epic 4G General] jok3sta:
Got a chance to play with a shift today.. my cousin has one. Let me tell you.. there's no comparison.. the epic is so much better.. I do like how the shift feels in your hand though. Definately better build quality. But in terms of speed the pic kills it. And the shift only has a 4 row keypad. Boooo and I don't even have to mention the speed. But all in all its a great device.. but I wouldn't get it over the epic

Tapatalkin' it from my Epic 3g
[Epic 4G General] Electrofreak:
If you look at the averages in Smartbench 2011, the Epic averages a productivity score of 844 on 2.2.1 ROMs running at a stock clock speed, (in fact, all of the Galaxy S phones using 2.2 are in this vicinity.) The Shift 4G phones running at stock speed on 2.2 average 806.

In Smartbench 2010, Epics at 1 GHz on 2.2 average a productivity score of 1127 while the Shift 4G on 2.2 scores 832. The difference between the scores in 2010 and 2011 can be attributed primarily to the new String test in 2011 that the Shift 4G must perform well on. I haven't talked with Acei about this test but it may take advantage of Snapdragon's FPU.

Again, the MSM chips are more powerful MHz for MHz, and the Shift 4G is a great overclocker, but at stock clocks the Epic still outperforms the Shift 4G in productivity tests.

Add to that the fact that Ice Cream will be providing full GPU-accelerated UI support (though I've heard that Gingerbread has support but it needs to be enabled), the expansion of the Android SDK to encourage software developers to produce graphics-oriented applications, as well as the explosion of 3D games onto the Android Market, shows that the Epic is by far the better future-proofed option than the Shift 4G. Though, if you were really smart, you would have gone with a Cortex-A9 (dual-core) phone on another carrier or waited until Sprint reveals one at CTIA in 3 weeks. Or, if you'd REALLY wanted HTC, you should have waited for one of the chips with an Adreno 220 GPU.

To put it in perspective, you just bought last-gen hardware when the MUCH better-performing next-gen hardware has just hit the market. :-\
[Epic 4G General] Slovak65:
I would go with the Epic over the Shift anyday. The Epic has the super AMOLED, the Shift has TFT 65k. Epic has a 1Ghz processor, Shift doesn't, it's only 800Mhz. Epic has dual cameras, Shift doesn't. Epic has Swype, Shift doesn't. They both have flash player(if you put Froyo on the Epic). The list goes on and on.

Sure the Shift has a better working GPS, but as soon as Samsung and Sprint fix it officially, i'd bet it is just as good as the Shift or any other phone. I personally don't have issues with my GPS on my Epic. If a spot on GPS is your only buying point then maybe you ought to purchase a Garmin for your car instead.
[Epic 4G General] piscesjoey:
Thats only IF Sprint announces a dual core Android phone for this year. It would be nice, but I have a eerie feeling that they're trying to ride the Evo wave another year while they push out the Echo & the Arrive (TP7). I'm sticking with my Epic for awhile though, this phone does everything that I need it to without a problem. @OP, I would return that Shift for an Epic ASAP lol, you would have a better 2 year experience with an Epic =)

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[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
This. Dual core won't see its potential reached for another couple years and the Epic has a small but talented and dedicated group of developers attached to it. Samsung fails at product support but hit a homerun with the hardware.
[Epic 4G General] Electrofreak:
Sprint will announce a dual-core Android phone at CTIA in 3 weeks, I practically can guarantee it. Probably a Samsung Galaxy S 2 with an Exynos SoC, that's my guess.

Dual core has already seen its potential reached for a number of reasons; first, the Cortex-A9 platform (and upcoming multi-core 3rd-gen Snapdragon) is more power efficient than its single-core predecessors.

Secondly, dual-core CPUs obviously are more effective at multi-tasking than a single-core CPU.

Third, SoC manufacturers have been making exclusive deals with app developers. Certain apps (primarily games based upon the Unreal engine) will be exclusively available on Tegra 2 phones. The same will apply, as I understand, to other hardware manufacturers, much like how apps like Netflix will only be available on certain devices with DRM support. In short, even if our hardware is capable of running an application, doesn't mean it'll be allowed to, at least not without some hackery first.

Fourth, and this is related to number three, with the enhancements made to the Android SDK recently, there's been a lot of encouragement for app developers to build gaming apps, and the GPUs in these SoCs are nearly next-gen in their own right. Even without exclusive applications, they'll be capable of running applications smoothly that most current single-core SoCs wouldn't have a chance with. Add in Ice Cream's support for GPU-acceleration of the Android UI and there's a lot of future-proofing in Cortex-A9 hardware.
[Epic 4G General] yhbae01:
That's a very sharp observation. :D

Yes, it does appear that String tests tends to perform a bit better on Qualcomm CPUs than it does on Hummingbirds. Why? I'm not 100% sure yet. String test basically performs a lot of string operations including concatenations, comparisons and regular expression parsing. I am using rather long strings so it is quite memory bandwidth intensive as well (which was one of my intention).

If you owned a dual-core phone, I would have gone to you first for the initial tests. You were very helpful in ironing out fundamental bugs during the initial phase of Smartbench 2010. :D
[Epic 4G General] Electrofreak:
Didn't recognize you at first. Too many PMs? :p

A buddy of mine got the Atrix the other day, I had him install the SB 2011 beta on his phone (after getting him rooted so he could side-load it, damn AT&T!)

Scores were pretty impressive. It made him very happy. :p

As for the String test, I'm going to guess that Snapdragon's VFP (SIMD) plays a role. It has a 128-bit bus, while the Hummingbird has a 64-bit SIMD bus.
[Epic 4G General] Acei:
Doh, I didn' realize that he didn't log out after posting on my PC! I ended up posting on his account. :D He is a buddy of mine.

Could be.

In the future, I am going to work on getting more test apps included in the Smartbench series. I included string test because at least in my case, I tend to use a lot of string operations in my apps, both Android and server side.
[Epic 4G General] DAvid_B:
So, let's say they will sell 3 million phones meeting that spec by the end of the year.

If you where a developer, whould you limit your entire audience to 3 million phones?

Yes there will be a few paid for by SoC games so they can get people to go "wow" on the show floor, but most game developers understand they have to target the larger market if they want to really sell. And that's even sub-Evo/Epic as of today.
[Epic 4G General] piscesjoey:
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...at-cti/&category=mobile&icid=m_eng_latest_art

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[Epic 4G General] herbthehammer:
I got the shift and its good. Better battery life and feels more solid. Since Sprint just announced two more top end phones for release soon, I would wait for their launch and see what happens then.
[Epic 4G General] Electrofreak:
:p Most game developers don't get that kind of offer. But Gameloft and a few others have. And they're snatching it up too, because people are a lot more likely to buy your product when it's "Exclusive!"

Also, consider that in your example, even if only 1 in 3 people with one of those phones buy only one of their games for $4.99, they make 3.5 million bucks, minimum (Google gets 30% of the 5 million total). They also get paid a pretty nice sum to for them to remain exclusive, so trust me; "most game developers" would love to have that opportunity.

Figure this... Gameloft isn't even selling apps on the Android Market right now because they can make more money selling outside the market because of Google's 30% market charge. This deal gives some of their games visibility that up until now they had to pay carriers to provide. (Remember that Asphalt HD demo that came with your Epic?) It's valuable enough that they're even willing to let Google take that 30% share, because Tegra Zone actually works via the Android Market... It's all about business, my friend.

Interesting, to be sure. A guy I know with connections had heard some rumors about a 3D phone for Sprint, and had theorized that it was going to be demoed by David Blane last month when the Echo was showcased. Obviously he was wrong, but his source had gotten the whole "Sprint 3D phone" thing from somewhere. Despite all this, considering that 2.5 hour time-block, I doubt all they'll be showing off just one phone, even if it is 3D. There will be a Cortex-A9 in there too, I'm willing to bet on it.

EDIT- Interestingly enough, it's been posted that the HTC EVO 3D, HTC View (a tablet) and Nexus S will be announced at CTIA 2011. The real question is going to be whether the EVO will be packin' the 1.2 GHz dual-core MSM8660 Qualcomm SoC or something less exciting. Not a Cortex-A9, but potentially better.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
Well I got the shift for the superior hardware, by that I mean sturdier build and higher quality keyboard, to me weight = quality material, plus fits in my pocket better.. the only things that beat out my shift about the epic was that the screen was nicer and the graphics proccesor was better.. I don't do a lot of cell gaming.. but I will rock you in most console fps.. ;) plus twice as many htc devs...., the front facing camera is just a gimmick as 90 percent of people don't have a phone with data plan much less one with a front facing camera.. in two years all the phones available will ecplise both the shift and the epic in fact there will probably be one called the eclipse if there isn't already. And I hope htc makes it.. thanks for all the info guys.. no hate towards samsung love there stuff.. I'm just more of an htc guy at heart..

sent from my oc1.5ghz cm7 GB nightly#40 speedy in progress.
[Epic 4G General] xaodxsynester:
From using my brother's Evo Shift I can tell you that the quality of my epic 4g is much nicer. It also out performs the Shift in every aspect..Cough Synergy 5.0 cough
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
have you tried multi touch way of zooming in and out? works fine for me :/
[Epic 4G General] herbthehammer:
You're right. I still think the zoom, even though it's digital, looks like crap. I guess not all digital zooms are not created equal.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
+1 to herb... by the way codecs irrelevant as there's an app that plays more video types then both defaults combined rockplayer lite. And yes samsungs feel like a fancy mcdonalds toy... I love there screen design and gpu.. if it wasn't for that nobody would buy them. Can't anyone see that samsung is just pumping out phones that ppl will buy based on numbers alone instead of all around quality. I consider myself a conesuir and have owned samsungs in the past.. they are an industry leader and I believe should be pushing devices far better then they are.. I wish I knew what each manufacturer spends to make each handset vs the amount the mnfctr sells each one for. I'm assuming samsung is making more money off of there devices... skip to mcdonalds vs truckstop burger joint reference. Where would you rather eat? Prepackaged picture perfect salt patty or handcrafted deliciousness. This is imho and no more.. but I think I'm right.. I only started this thread to get someone to convince me that the epic was better all around then the shift, many great points later I am still unconvinced. And happy with shift regardless of unoticeable loss in gaming quality and bootiful amoled screen. Ps... I'm not a big guy so the shift fits more reasonably in my hands and pockets then the huge ass epics... long live personal preference. Pss- htc is a modest up and coming underdog that earned its keep in the public spotlight. I respect the way they compose themselves as a company.

sent from my buuf icons,1.5 ghz, cm7gb, latest nightly build, speedy in progress.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
ummm..all digital zooms are created equal..if your seeing anything different its just post processing...

It makes a HUGE difference...Hardware decode > software decode..

Well that depends on how you look at it..HTC gives you older hardware thus its cheaper for them, on the other hand Samsung makes most of their own hardware so they don't pay as many middleman fees.

HTC manufactures in china which is cheap slave labor. Samsung manufactures in South Korea which salaries of employees are much higher as its a modern nation.

Samsung actually maintains a support force and honors their warranties (more overhead costs)..I even heard times that it was consumers fault and samsung still covers it..HTC holds your handset hostage when you send it for warranty and you got a choice to buy a new phone or pay them 25$ to ship it back

So I wouldn't exactly say samsung is taking in more profit then HTC :/

Also last I checked HTC is releasing more smartphones into the market then Samsung.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
:) I love you guys because of responses like this... always something interesting going on at xda. Great reply. Def table turning.. haha I don't even feel like arguing anymore.. but I did learn something.

sent from my buufgrounds,1.5 ghz, cm7gb, latest nightly build, speedy in progress.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
Still like htc better for now. Quietly brilliant has me sold.

sent from my buufgrounds,1.5 ghz, cm7gb, latest nightly build, speedy in progress.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Yup, they shaft you "quite brilliantly" lol jk

If you like their products is fine..everyone has their preferences and nothing is wrong with that..only thing I try to weed out is the misconceptions...you'd be surprised how many times I have seen Samsung and HTC do the same thing and Samsung gets ridiculed heavily while HTC gets a pat on the hand...
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
Haha yeah yeah.... if that's the case bring on the evo shaft.. I absolutely love both companies.. if anything I'm mad that samsung didn't bring down the hammer and crush the competition in the android market...I will probably only own samsungs and htcs for the remainder of my twenties.

sent from my buufgrounds,1.5 ghz, cm7gb, latest nightly build, speedy in progress.
[Epic 4G General] dito33:
This thread should be closed, what's the purpose of it.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
To have fun debating sprints upgrade options isn't this the general threads section or did I post in the wrong spot?

sent from my buufgrounds,1.5 ghz, cm7gb, latest nightly build, speedy in progress.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
What about vol up and down. Is that not a valid zoom? It's the only one I use.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
Either way it was started before I got my upgrade I was forced to get unless I wanted to wait another two years..because sprint adopted the every two years upgrade over there old more BA one upgrade a year deal. And now its turned into a a sammy vs htc debate which I enjoy immensely.. though I wouldn't be sad if it dissapeared along with your poor attitude towards casual tech debates.

sent from my buufgrounds,1.5 ghz, cm7gb, latest nightly build, speedy in progress.
[Epic 4G General] JCSands1109:
may I plus one on this
[Epic 4G General] epic4GEE:
Lol.... I had my epic for two months before I figured that out.
[Epic 4G General] oflannabhra:
As someone who faced this very question in deciding what to upgrade to from my Hero, I just wanted to say this discussion is valuable.
[Epic 4G General] dito33:
Shift is no match for Epic in any aspect like comparing Pinto vs BMW that's why.
[Epic 4G General] :
I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME EXACT THING, except the whole cough part, and everything in between it.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Epic is much more pocket friendly then the Shift lmao. Have you not help one in your hand? It is like twice the weight.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
Yeah I've held both id rather have a stone in my pocket then a frisbee. As I mentioned before I'm a little dude, I wear pants that wouldn't fit most of your daughters. With tht being said the shift is much more comfortable in my straight leg pockets then the epic. Confort to me depends more on the shape of the device rather then the weight anyday of the week unless of course the devices are identical in shape in which case I would still choose the heavier item because as I've mentioned earlier I strongly believe that weight=quality materials.

sent from my buufgrounds,1.5 ghz, cm7gb, latest nightly build, speedy in progress.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
Please explain why you think the epic is better the shift and vice versa if you are going to drop your two cents in this thread. You could be judging a book by its cover for all I know. I don't agree with anyone who just says one thing like "my cousin has an epic/shift, they're way cooler!" Cause yeah samsungs do look cooler in an abstract tech sort of way(noted since I owned the d900 back in the day) ... where as htcs have more of an Art deco look (noted since my htc p4350)... thanks for the feedback regardless though.

sent from my buufgrounds,1.5 ghz, cm7gb, latest nightly build, speedy in progress.
[Epic 4G General] noskoviak:
I went with the shift from the hero.. read through this to figure it out for yourself but if you rooted the hero and installed custom rom I can promise you a much more similar experience using the speedy vs the epic. Shift threads are growing quickly.

sent from my buufgrounds,1.5 ghz, cm7gb, latest nightly build, speedy in progress.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tyggy:
Tried searching the forums, but its telling me search is unavailable..

If this has been asked already, I apologize, but is there a way to have full screen pics for the caller id? Like in the iphone?

Thank you.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] venomio:
Not that I personally know of... I recommend having a look through market as well for something like that. I'll have a look for you when I get in front of a computer though (of other people haven't solved it foe you by then)
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tyggy:
I found one app but wasnt really impressed with it..was wondering if it was possible to incorporate this as a add on for a rom? without using a third party app?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blakwhite:
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[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blakwhite:
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[EVO Shift 4G General] noskoviak:
My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)

Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.

Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential

Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..