yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xoom General] bwcorvus:
If you bought from costco its on your verizon bill.
[Xoom General] fieryavenger:
I went to best buy this morning and picked up pre order and didn't have to pay activation fee or pay for month of 3g. Pretty nice.
[Xoom General] blozout:
Yeah. They mail you the bill. When I purchased the month to month I asked if they needed my credit card and they told me no, the bill would come in the mail from Verizon. I called VZ within 3 minutes of leaving the store and canceled the plan. I may still receive a bill but it will show a zero balance.
[Xoom General] Sirchuk:
Looks like costco isn't budging, went to another store and no good without activation.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
Hello all,

I'm sure that all of Android users has noticed, how the changes made by producers (e.g. HTC, Samsung) can significantly SLOW down or even make Android UNSTABLE. Please support my suggestion to leave these changes OPTIONAL (e.g. after the first start and after hard-reset - installation package could be on the phone so there wouldn't be need to connect to internet and download it) NOT FORCED:

http://goo.gl/mod/ulXo
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
I'm thumbing it down because if you want to seriously put forth an idea that big you should do it in a professional manner. Not 3 exclamation points here and yelling in all caps there and a number of blatantly misspelled words.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Sm0k3d 0uT:
You do have a choice.

If you don't like the interface, don't buy the device.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Dirk:
Totally agree that these bloatware skins should be an optional componant! Microsoft have done the right thing for now in making manufacturers release their WP7 devices without these annoying extras.

I want the stock Android experience and nothing more, which is why i own a Nexus.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MaBlo:
You can't disallow it, Android is open source right? They can do whatever they want. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Dirk:
That pretty much rules out every single Android device on the market and as such is NOT a solution :rolleyes:

A skin can be added far more easily than it can be subtracted!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
That IS NOT TRUE!!! Google NEVER allow producers to do whatever they want even it is open-source (except china producers :) ). Producers MUST fulfil Google basic "rules". It has been also said in MWC Barcelona by Eric Schmidt.

Clever solution :-/
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MaBlo:
I'm sure they have some rules and conditions, I think these regard the Google apps. However I'm not really into this licenseing stuff. All I know is that Android is under the Apache and GPL licenses, and those are open source. Maybe someone with more knowledge can fill us in. I'm not liking this either, but I don't think there is much to be done about it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
As far as I know I have read maybe a year ago something about Google considering how/when/if allow producers to make changes to Android. The best way in my opinion would be choose after unboxing or hard-reset.

BTW I don't expect Google to change policy tomorrow... I'm just curious about reactions of YOU - Android users ;o)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] htrx:
It's a nice idea and I'm pretty sure that in a perfect war and disease-free world it may actually be possible, but alas we don't live in one. Right now you would need a revolution, comparable to a huge coup d'etat, in order to actually do something about this. And the "If you don't like it, don't buy it." argument is actually applicable here, because THERE ARE devices without a limiting, resource-leech interface (the Nexuses are a perfect example).
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
I'm not interested in revolutions or something like that (it smels like Apple :) ). I'm just interested about discussions & reactions about it ;-)

Only two devices in the whole world? That is the solution? That is the choice? That is the freedom of buying anythig you have money for?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MaBlo:
Yeah that's what we have to choose from, besides custom roms. But keep in mind that we here at xda aren't normal users. Normal users(and by that I mean the majority) are perfectly happy with HTC Sense or even Motoblur. Hell these customizations might even sell phones, I'm pretty sure Sense does at least.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
But these normal users are curious about e.g "why is USB-Connected icon still on my display even I have disconnected the device" and experienced user will tell this normal user "yeah that is because of producer customizations" and normal user say "I don't like these customizations, I just want my phone working"... this problem is just an example and there are MANY other bigger issues e.g. PERFORMANCE issues and believe me even normal user will eventually meet someone, who will explain that producers customizations are evil or he/she would read an article on the web about performance problem caused by producers customizations... Many times normal users can find it out by themselves => don't underestimate "normal" users!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] htrx:
And I'm saying just how utterly hard to achieve is your dream.

When these "normal"/"casual" users stumble on an error, caused by a crappy producer's customization, they either try to fix it, or send it to someone, who actually knows what he is doing. If the error turns out to be "genetically unfixable", they search for another, more stable device. At least 80% percent of the time, this substitution turns out to be the iPhone. This is one of the main reasons the iPhone is still prefered by "casual" users over Android and Windows Mobile.

Android, being open-source is bound to have producers, trying to make it better and more user-friendly. You can't change that.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Dirk:
The Nexii are the ONLY example.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] evilPERSOn2009:
I hate when this kind of things happen.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
That is the question IF (or how long) Google let the producers put a dirt on the Android. Like MS with Windows Mobile.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] SilverHedgehog:
The saddest thing is that we get crippled phones just because operators don't want us to get features. The DMCA takedown on Xoom dumps is just pathetic.

Also I love the HTC Sense. But if I want it gone, I will just install a Nexus ROM.

And Moto phones... They actually blocked non-market apps. Moto is replacing Microsoft in my 1984 companies list (Ironically)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
BTW there is no need to DISALLOW producers their customizations. Google can only make policy to leave option to the user on the first start ;) So any user can choose to install all producers customizations OR leave Android clean and if user desides to try the customizations so there can be option to install it additionally. It is only on Google and I'm sure, that if Google wants Android to have a good name they will make policy to leave options on users or even forbid all customizations (but this would be bad to forbid it completelly). My guess is that Google will restrict customizations only on some not-system-necessary parts like wallpapers, skins etc. We will see but I think that Google knows that producers customizations were between other things fundamentally responsible for doom of Windows Mobile.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] matt2053:
Methinks you fail to discern what Open Source means
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
Leaving user right for option (e.g. after the first start or hard-reset of device) "TO CHOOSE" and "NOT TO CHOOSE" between clean Android or with customization is against open-source? Since when?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Everyday1:
You cant disallow that!

Its an open source!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jonno2k:
I think that's the key. Why didn't more people buy the Nexus One? There are manufacturers known for really locking down their devices so people who care about this stuff should just avoid them.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Blåburk:
Anyone seen that the most Android phones looks the same?

Must their Home screens look the same too.

I agree with those who wrote. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Perhaps cellphones in the future becomes some kind of a ISO-standard like screws and nuts...

Be sure that the transatlantic's then will have their own non-metric cellphones :D
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] xloki:
why did this guy register on a developers forum. By disallowing it, it would make it more difficult to explore and really learn about the device
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] spinhbar:
Exactly! We should complain if they didnt give us the oportunity to choose.

Now the decision for your phone model is up to you.

Stock or not...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] shadow7582:
I would like a clean Android. And a device with an open bootloader.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] liput_81:
Disagree with disallowing manufacturer customisations

In general they do add some good extra functionality. The stock Android UI is damn ugly in places and is missing some good bits of tech like DLNA and the cool widgets that HTC add (why is beautiful widgets so high selling!)

There is the choice to go for a Nexus or even a cheaper brand that have not done the customisations

Choice and customisation is IMO the thing that Android beats iOS on all day long - let it continue!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] c0l3:
I also want stock theres no reason why you should be allowed to turn of motoblur for example
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] TheAndroider:
Manufacturers should do that, but then there is the Nexus S and Nexus One for now.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Dirk:
Fixed!

A friend of mine is recently a first time Android user with their new HTC Desire. After a couple of weeks of using it i showed her what my Stock N1 is like in comparison, and she preferred it. Luckily there's a certain amount that can be done to de-crappify the Desire like installing the GB Keyboard and Launcher, but there's still Sense touches everywhere.

People talk about having options, but the most important one would be whether you want Sense, et al, on your phone in the first place! The debate will rage on but i'll just reiterate my earlier point. It's easier to add what you want than to remove it once it's already there.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
This is NOT about disallowing!!! This is about choice while user and even producer would have the freedom. User would have freedom to choice between OS+changes or OS without changes and producer would have the freedom to include OS+OPTIONAL changes. Where is the corruption of open-source? Where is the corruption of freedom of producing? Where are the negatives?

BTW poor argument "If you don't like it, don't buy it" is one of the greatest bull**** of all because there are no other devices which I can buy (ONLY TWO devices are NOT the choice; if there would be many devices (classic touch or with qwerty etc.) with clean Android then I agree that there is choice and if someone wouldn't like one with interface there are would be alternatives - for now there are NONE).
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] joshbdoc:
You can just mod it and make it what you want. It's not too difficult to do.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
You mean that it is not difficult to remove ALL producers customizations? I disagree...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] nxdu:
What they put in are either:

- what they are paid to do, which in this case, the consumers have no right to stop the producers from earning

- or what they include as a selling points, which in this case means that if their added features are not up to consumers' expectation, consumers can just don't buy it
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
But customization is not payed product, it is free software for using only with producer's devices (like you buy e.g. printer and you get producer's printer software for free; but in this case if you don't like it you can use original Windows software to operate the printer). Currently customer has only "right" to buy other customized device from other producer/s often with similar or other bugs related to customizations generally.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] nooty90:
android

android is open source, u can customize by yourself
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
But for now you cannot restore OS in your phone to state of PURE Android (I mean without ALL customizations which are slowing down the whole OS).
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Dirk:
Exactly. I feel sorry for Desire users, as an example, because when they receive Gingerbread OTA they won't see any of the graphical improvements that makes it so nice. For them everything will look exactly the same with all the improvements being limited to under-the-hood. Ice-Cream is rumoured to bring some pretty hefty U.I changes but will it be skinned to within an inch of it's life by the manufacturers? Probably.

I also think it reflects poorly on Android as a whole in that there is no consistent experience from one handset to another. Stock Android is a pleasure to use as it's so intuitive and easy to navigate around, which cannot be said for Sense et al.

Of course the average user knows nothing of this and doesn't even realise they are missing out. Sad really.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jch0:
Google's "rules"

Yes, the reules are called the Android Compatibility Definition Document (CDD), you'll find them on source.android.com/compatibility/ . (I'm apparently not allowed to post URLs. Grr.)

There are some requirements in the CDD that correspond to what you're suggesting. In particular, it must be possible to override any bundled application with a third-party equivalent -- for example, if a producer bundles a mailer with a handset, then it must be possible to install k9 mail and have it receive e-mail instead of the mailer.

On the other hand, the CDD does not mandate being able to remove the bundled applications -- just being able to override them with third party apps.

--jch
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jch0:
While Android itself is Open Source, that doesn't mean that Google cannot browbeat producers into compliance, either by refusing them the Android branding, or by refusing access to the non-Open Source applications, notably the Market.

The Archos tablets, for example, don't comply with the Android Compatibility Definition version 2.2, and are therefore not allowed in the market. (As far as I can tell, they're compliant with 2.3, which is more relaxed about non-phone devices, and so should get the Market at some point.)

--jch
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
Exactly ;) Every producer must protect reputation of their products... even if their products are opensource...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Sybregunne:
Whos to say android with htc sense is not clean? If all devices have the same UI wouldnt it defeat the purpose of having different makes and models? Its like having a mac asking you to choose from mac os x and win7 at startup. :D

Edit: most stock uis (at least htc sense) are not open source.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkf1:
One of MANY evidence that producers customizations makes VERY BAD THINGS ON ANDROID:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2129372/android-weakness-allows-hackers-record-phone-calls

This can be solved SO EASILY MY GOD!!! (choice on the first start of any Android phone). But it seems Google wants to allow ANYONE to poison their OS with various kind of FILTH!!!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Sybregunne:
It is not as easy to do this as you think. UIs are deeply integrated to the OS, the best way to give users a choice would still be at the time of purchase. Not only because of disk space problems, but as soon as you allow a system change to happen via an application the app can then be exploited to gain access to the whole system and it doesnt matter if its aosp or proprietary, if it can be exploited it will be.

That news article just proves that htc sense is more popular, hence more hackers targetting it. Nexus is aosp if i am not mistaken but it still got exploited. Its up to the user actually to secure his own system regardless of the UI used.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dinglehoofis:
I had a look through the Android development section and couldn't really find anything above 2.2. My GF has a captivate and she's finally willing to do away with the carrier installed stuff.

And IF there are no 2.3 ROMs (which really doesn't make any sense because I've been running 2.3 on my DZ since the start of January), what are some of the better 2.2 ones?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhernand1102:
There are none yet, look at Supernova, Phoenix or Firefly ROM's there are pretty good.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] white00gt:
Don't Forget Serendipity, great support ,frequent updates
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] diablo009:
2.3 ROMs aren't out yet.

But there are some really nice 2.2.1 ROMs, di11igaf's rom being one of them
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reinbeau:
Serendipity is the best one I've found, Mike has a great eye for design, and he and Chance have great ideas on functionality. They pay close attention to detail and update the ROM frequently with easily flashed .zips in recovery (no wiping involved unless it's a major update). It's built on 2.2.1.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Moosehunter:
Um... I've been using Cyanogenmod 7 for about a month now.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Verfassergeist:
Care to enlighten the masses on this? Cyanogen's been trolling (IMO) on his wiki:

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S:_Flashing_CyanogenMod

"NOTE: As of right now CyanogenMod is not available for the Samsung Galaxy S family. Please check the wiki or the Samsung Galaxy S sub-forum for updates."

But then again, I suppose if you have a large amount of expertise and win in your arsenal, you could fit all of the witchcraft to the Captivate, unless I'm a complete noob and Cyanogen got a ROM hidden away that I'm not aware of.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dinglehoofis:
Serindipity is one that I've been looking into. I have her phone ready to rock and roll, rooted + CWM. Just need to decide on a ROM ;)

I find it strange that the Galaxy S lineup still doesn't have a publicly available 2.3 ROM... considering the first device to ship with 2.3 was the Nexus S. IIRC it has a near identical hardware set as the Fascinate, Captivate, Vibrant, I9000 etc.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gandalf21502:
LOVE Pargaon RC6....Great ROM! Stable, fast, and great GPS! It is 2.2.1. No 'working' 2.3 roms out as of yet!
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nge2015:
I think he is using the beta rom. if you check the sub forum they have the experimental rom there including cm7 for captivate
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Moosehunter:
Here's a captivate update zip. Follow the instructions on the CM forums for the initial install using the GT-I9000 rom, and then follow the update instructions using this captivate package.

http://www.mediafire.com/?xpk8pzcv27cj67c
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
As for it not making sense, The whole reason you have been able to run it is that HTC likes putting the source code up as to where we are still trying to get it from Samsung. Heck 2.2 official just dropped to day. lol

You will get 10 different answers as to some good roms. Just have a read in the threads and chose one that seems good to you.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] bsbharath1987:
Can we hack the Search feature to include, for example, text from messages backed up on the memory card? Or notes/text files from the card?

Currently the messages on the phone memory are included in the Search.
[HTC Inspire 4G] gunnyman:
I tried to deodex the rooted stock Rom that Attn1 posted but it failed on a couple of files, namely the all important framework. Would someone mind tackling this for me?

Thanks.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] emoose:
Just a thought on the WebTop side.

I tried to run Terminal Run and Foxrunner add ons to launch a terminal windows but the File system for linux is not accessible which makes sense.

If it becomes possible to mount the Unbuntu run time file system in a way that it becomes accessible from the firefox side it may be possible o use firefox the run commands from the Webtop without changing the scripts on the file system.

This may be a shortcut.

The filesystem issue is a tougher nut to crack though. Has anyone made any progress on this?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] shawnbuck:
Have you rooted your device?

I've noticed when hunting around the filesystem, that the filesystem for the webtop is available in /osh
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jkrohn:
Firefox can browse the filesystem ok with root. Can't launch anything though as it lacks a handler.

-nm I got the link back correctly -

I am trying to link the firefox shortcut to a different binary to see if I can get something else launched that way.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] shawnbuck:
I don't have a dock of any kind, but browsing through with an adb shell accomplishes the same thing.

Here are the results:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Jan 21 02:47 abrowser -> firefox
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Jan 21 02:48 firefox -> ../lib/firefox-3.6.13/firefox
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 Jan 21 02:48 firefox-install-profile -> ../lib/firefox-3.6.13/firefox-install-profile.sh
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 Jan 21 02:48 firefox-readahead -> ../lib/firefox-3.6.13/firefox-readahead.sh
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] VICosPhi:
Hello everyone who owns Galaxy S 4G / Vibrant 4G. As a Vibrant owner, I would like to know (and I am sure many others as well) whether GPS works perfectly on Galaxy S 4G ? If it does, then please post screenshots from GPS test app if possible.

Also, please answer the poll and leave any comments regarding drifting/accuracy etc.

Because if it works perfectly, then it's safe to assume the issue with Vibrant's GPS is a hardware issue ( specially now that we have 2.2.1 ported for vibrant)
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] mmelo76:
Moved of : Samsung Vibrant > Vibrant General

To: Samsung Galaxy S 4G > Galaxy S 4G General

thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] jerrybritt:
Looks like I was the first one to vote. Tried several readings yesterday and one this morning. All very accurate and this mornings was more accurate than my Garmin for some reason.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] mavictb:
the GPS on the SGS4G works as it should... I get 5 second cold start locks and <5m accuracy with no drifting. i drove around with it on and it had no issues on parallel streets that are very close to each other or anything like that.

it works better than my tomtom. so I am a happy camper with the GPS.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] stellarvelocity:
I used Root Explorer to pull out Telenav and while my Google Maps is still locking my location inside and outside, News and Weather no longer finds my location. I am really hoping Samsung wasn't trying to use Telenav to backbone it's GPS service.

If anyone else is having this problem let me know.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] mavictb:
odd... I didnt remove Telenav so I couldn't tell you.