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[Xoom General] Bauxite:
Do you have to plug the charger into the dock? I think that's what they're getting at. Moto is doing this for the same reason the Samsung Galaxy Tab has a proprietary connector.. supplying 2A of power over a simple USB charger could destroy devices designed to be charged with a 750mA or 1A charger. It's for the consumer's safety I'm pretty sure. Mom gets home and plugs in her phone into Dad's xoom charger and the phone overheats... not great.

USB was designed to work in the hundreds of milliamp range, usb devices are _supposed_ to ask the computer for how much power they need, and then the power is given. Plug a devices that need 1-2A into a usb port (Tab or iPad) and it will not charge because normal USB ports cannot put out that much power. Chargers sidestep the power-negotiation and output the same amperage no matter what.
[Xoom General] Neo3D:
No offense but that's a lame argument. Stupid consumers buy the iPad. The rest will get the Xoom. A simple big red warning sticker on the end of the USB charging plug is enough to warn people not to plug their phones into that adapter.

Or, make the plastic around the micro-USB plug an odd shape so that it won't fit into any other phone, while making the female end of the Xoom will still able to accept a normal micro-USB cable.

What about the Galaxy Tab, anyone know how that charges?
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
The iPad uses the standard iPod dock connector (2.1A), and it will not charge over a computer's usb port because it needs more power than that. Apple recommends not charging anything else with the iPad charger.

The Galaxy tab uses a 2A charger with a proprietary cable that looks like an iPod cable (it's based off a new standard, but the pins are different).

It would be impractical to alter a micro usb cable in such a way that it wouldn't fit anything else... think about it.. the usb connector always protrudes. You would need plastic prongs that reach out further than the usb connector to stop people from using it.
[Xoom General] neo4uo:
Go do yourself a favor take that high dollar pad back and pay half the price for a gtablet. Then you can root it and run vegan have flash 10.1 and access to as many Apps as you would in with the xoom...maybe some more b/c the build.prop of the xoom is more limited than the gtablet...even though the gtab is supposed to not have market access Lol. Ya you might loose gps...just bt to your droid x...the biggest thing you will loose is a nice screen...but if that is worth 400 more bugs Idk....go get a galaxy tab. I am ready for all the flames from the xoom 1 day fanboys. But just remember before you bash me I have a tab not as nice but saved 400 bucks and will have honeycomb in about a month. I am just trying to help the op to give him an alternative device :).

P.S. my sdcard works :p

Sent from my Froyo Leak...thanks Kaos \00/
[Xoom General] mitchweight:
VLC's not a solution for streaming video...it only plays in portrait mode.
[Xoom General] mitchweight:
I discovered two things:

1 - DocumentsToGo is coming out with an update soon

2- If you stay away from pushing "enter" when updating a cell in spreadsheets in DocumentsToGo there is no bug or error (just tap on the next cell rather than hitting "enter").

If I can just figure out streaming I'll be a much happier camper. I think I'll hold on to this thing for at least another week to see what it's capable of. Here's hoping for some updates!
[Xoom General] TxToast:
I stopped into the local bestbuy to play with one. Overall I have to say I was not very impressed with it. No question it's very capable hardware and Android is the future. But for a company to launch a joint flagship product that will fall on its face so badly is unreal. In an hour during "peak time" (12:30-1:30 or so) not one person even bothered to look at it.

I'd snap up an E121 tomorrow if I could find it but the Xoom generated no such sense of urgency...left without buying one. I'll either wait for the next best thing, buy a nook color to tweak or buy a 9.7in Gpad to brick....
[Xoom General] derrickrosefan:
The SDcard support (lack there of) is not a HW problem. It was a SW arch conflict. The hardware works and will work when Google decides to add the support.
[Xoom General] derrickrosefan:
SD Hardware works fine. It is just not supported in SW yet.
[Xoom General] derrickrosefan:
Try using earbuds
[Xoom General] mrksbrd:
I have to say I was kind of disappointed at first run as well, but now I have it unlocked and rooted. I also installed setcpu to bump up the bottom end ( runs @ 216 mhz stock) according to setcpu. Seemed to give me a decent performance bump, apps seem to load faster and internet access time seems faster as well. Although there isn't any flash upgrade @ this point & leaked version doesn't seem to do anything I have to say definatly worth the money !!!!
[Xoom General] Neo3D:
Actually, it wouldn't be that hard to design at all. Just add a plastic "nub" like in this rendering (forgive my crappy photoshop skills):

The micro usb female port on the tablet would have a hole where the nub would fit into. This way, the charger won't fit into any phone and you can still plug a standard micro usb into the tablet.

Google should make some kind of standard so we don't have all these different chargers for different Android tablets.

Easier and better to do this now while Android tablets are still in their infancy.
[Xoom General] neonflx:
The mentality that we “early adopters” have to live with the flaws of a product is the reason companies like Samsung/Motorola and the likes push products into production even when the have known flaws.

If I’m paying top dollars for a device that just came into the market I’m a consumer not an “early adopter”, that mentality is what have driven the tech companies to no caring for what the consumers say.

I went to BB to buy one yesterday and changed my mind after 20 minutes playing with the thing, why mainly because of the facts mentioned in this thread, and also my epic 4g and Archos 101 do everything better than Xoom at its current state.
[Xoom General] initial_k:
In due time, you should be able to buy a charging dock station with front facing speaker.
[Xoom General] initial_k:
Everything takes time and bugs are discover and fix as time go. Same with the iphone or any other device.
[Xoom General] Jrockttu:
Should I make sure I'm holding it right too, Mr. Jobs?
[Xoom General] BBruin66:
I agree. The average person won't even know they're an early adopter, or that its a google experience device, or that it has an unlocked boot loader. They'll just experience it working less than perfect and take it back. If they're battling Apple, they need to atleast match it in all categories, i.e. stability, battery, performance, UI. We on here know this device will be better than the iPad, and to some of us, it already is. It offers us things apple never will. But there's a reason some customers are having to fill out paperwork to acknowledge the devices shortcomings before purchase. Let's just hope it doesn't get GoogleTV'd by the general public and can pick up steam as it hits more machines.

That said, I got in on the moto coupon f-up yesterday, and can't wait to get mine next week!
[Xoom General] Neo3D:
Umm, the iPhone was released with a pretty huge flaw...THE ANTENNA.

You know they rushed that thing out w/o properly testing it, which is why it became Apple's most epic FAIL.

Apple is far from perfect.
[Xoom General] muyoso:
Dude, I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that. I was going to make a "Wow you guys are sounding like Apple now" comment but I held my tongue.
[Xoom General] wasya152:
i'm completely with you. i have a vegan gtab that i've had since Christmas, and honestly, besides honeycomb, the xoom doesn't really blow it away. yes, the screen is much nicer, but my gtab cost $380, and i paid $880 for this xoom. i expect it to be able to do basic things, and it can't. what's worst, is my gtab get at 2450 quadrant score and the xoom can't even get 2300. it's no where near $500 better than my 3 month old gtab. i'm going to return it too and just wait for the dev to release the honeycomb for my tab. $880, that's just stupid. it doesn't even support the sd card? i mean wtf. i get a tablet with a sd slot, but it's completely useless. i don't care if i'm an early adopter, there's no reason that it should not recognize it.
[Xoom General] muyoso:
It became Apple's most epic fail huh? They have had record profits like every quarter of this year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jan/18/apple-profits-increase-steve-jobs

So in essence, wtf are you talking about. If this is an epic fail, what do you call the average Android phones sales figures?
[Xoom General] jiwengang:
Great points.

I think his complains are valid complaints. I held a much better expectation towards XOOM. But so far I think it is a "rushed" product.
[Xoom General] galtom:
I have to agree that if a company wants succeed and in this case fight Apple it should not allow itself for pushing the product that is not clearly ready.

Average Joe has no idea about XDA, bootloaders and other stuff. But HE (not you) who decides about company/products success or failure. Look what happened to Moto once and what is happening to Nokia, as we speak.

If Xoom would not be an electronic toy but car... would you go and buy it?

Just look what happens when car develops one bug that makes it necessary for repair.

One more thing... come next Wednesday and Apple event... I can bet there will be jokes about Xoom, Honeycomb and not delivered promise... that WILL be remembered by potential customers.
[Xoom General] cutterjohn:
Flash: have any of you guys tried the flash 10.1 apk for Tegra that's in the gTablet dev forum?

It might work... my gTab runs flash almost as well as my P8600/ATI 4850 nb, and we've been using that apk for quite some time now...

It MIGHT not work with Honeycomb, but it's probably worth a shot trying for the daring...
[Xoom General] JimmyHACK:
doesn't work
[Xoom General] rbruno66:
Google should have used Chrome OS for their tablets. I have a CR-48 and it seems much more polished compared to my Xoom. It has full functionality for Google Docs and doesn't fully rely on apps that seem to crash every 30 seconds.

The Xoom seems to be stuck somewhere between Android 2.x and Chrome OS. The browser on the Xoom is almost good enough that you don't need to go to the apps. Why would I need a Facebook app when I can bring it up on browser?
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
I disagree completely. If the xoom ran chrome os it would be way less functional and useful.

It's funny I don't see all of these crashing apps I keep hearing about.
[Xoom General] rbruno66:
Have you tried Chrome OS? It has a fully functional version of Docs. Not just the half baked version on Android and Xoom that is basically worthless. And again, why do I need apps for something that I can pull up on a browser?

Another gripe is that neither platform currently supports a version of Citrix that works. It is really embarrassing to not have a working version of it when I have to sit next to all of my coworkers using their Apple devices.

I am not taking my Xoom back, but I hope that they fix the issues sooner rather than later. It really seems rushed when you compare it to the CR-48. The difference is that the CR-48 was free to beta test and I had to pay to beta test the Xoom.
[Xoom General] jvs60:
Just return it and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Nothing else to see here folks.
[Xoom General] keitht:
You don't but why do I need Tweetdeck when I can go to Twitter and Facebook in the browser? Because sometimes apps display things better and offer more functionality.
[Atrix 4G Accessories] kgeissler:
Am I the only one waiting for these? I ordered them when I preordered the phone on February 14th. I thought they would be available by now, but AT&T is still showing them as backordered.
[Atrix 4G Accessories] Squeak22:
My multimedia dock shipped yesterday.
[Atrix 4G Accessories] kgeissler:
Did you order just the dock or did you get the package with the keyboard and mouse?
[Atrix 4G Accessories] Squeak22:
I got the full package.
[Atrix 4G Accessories] birdheh:
backorder solved

I had ordered the HD dock and it didnt ship. I went to the store to get a car dock and I picked up the dock there and just have to return the back ordered one when it arrives. I upgraded to the keyboard and mouse and it is nice. Hulu is blocked on the device but it is not blocked when docked.
[Atrix 4G Accessories] kgeissler:
I wound up canceling my order with AT&T and ordering straight from Motorola. I got the docks cheaper and they were in stock and should ship on Monday.
[Android Software Development] Saenic:
I wanted to give my App a nice "Web 2.0" background like the new Twitter for Android has.

When I set the image as "Background" everything looks fine in Eclipse but on my Desire the image gets blurry and distorted.

kinda like this:

Here is the solution:

Basicly I created a bitmap and used it as background.

1. create a xml file within /res/drawable ... lets name it bg_texture.xml for this example.

Fill it with this code, lets assume the image is called backgroundimage.png

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<bitmap xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android"
android:src="@drawable/backgroundimage"
android:tileMode="repeat"
android:filter="true"
android:dither="true" />

2. Set the "Background" property of the element to @drawable/bg_texture and it should work.

You won't see it in Eclipse, but on the phone it looks nice and crisp.
[Android Software Development] Lakers16:
I see a minor difference i guess. You could just save a slice of their bar... like a 1 pixel wide slice, and just set that as background, and itll stretch across?
[Android Software Development] Gene Poole:
Does your image use an alpha channel? That might make it look smoother.
[Android Software Development] Saenic:
its not the fault of the image I guess, because it looks nice in the editor and other images on Android look nice as well... I guess its a bug in the way Android builds the UI. Kinda similar to the bug with artefacts on wallpapers. So I hoped anyone would know a workaround.
[Android Software Development] Saenic:
Yay I got the solution. It's from this website.

Edit: I updated the first post with the solution.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dew.man:
Well guys, this works for me with just the HDMI cable plugged in:

UPDATE

use this command instead:

/osh/etc/init.d/startX.sh

It does not freeze your phone screen.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bendoe91z28:
Excuse my ignorance, but what do we do with that file.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dew.man:
You execute it!

That program allows us to run the Webtop without a dock.

Connect the HDMI cable to a TV/monitor, and launch that problem - either in ADB or in Terminal. It will fire up the webtop desktop on your screen. Keep in mind that you will need a bt keyboard to interact with the phone at that point as the webtop completely takes over.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] [DT]:
If it winds up being this easy, people will lose their minds.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] legider:
Doesn't seem to work for me with just the hdmi cable plugged in.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dew.man:
Are you doing it as SU? Also, try plugging in USB power - that's all I did and it popped right up!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] legider:
Haven't had my coffee, forgot about SU. Working great now!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bendoe91z28:
And how do I execute it, deal Liza dear Liza and How do I execute it dear Liza and how?

I found it in root explorer, but execute is not an option.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] legider:
Easiest way is to get a Terminal Emulator.

Gives yourself root access through "su".

Then run the command, "./osh/usr/local/bin/webtop-restart" in the terminal.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bendoe91z28:
I can confirm this worked. It launches webtop. I haven't tried bluetooth keyboard/mouse yet, but I assume it will work.

So excited to play super mario tonight. I've been waiting for this since the Evo came out and disappointed many with its HDMI out.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] hrishi2das:
When the HDMI is connected... does the phone screen also show the picture or is it just o/p to the hdmi ?

anyway to make it work just on the phone without HDMI ?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bendoe91z28:
1) Getting an interesting Motorola "screensaver".

2) I can't figure out how to launch phone apps. There is a "mobile view" option in which this is probably done.

3) Resolution is a little out of wack. See my youtube video compared to this one specifically at the 1:51 mark. See how my mobile phone view is cut off at the bottom.

4) Mobile View doesn't work. When I click the mouse nothing happens.

Webtop Hack : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGEleOBCxDo

Real Webtop : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjOR5MoyQqs
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dragon19766:
Thank much!!! it works for me. Now I need get bluetooth keyboard and mouse to try it out.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] [DT]:
It didn't fire up for me, I did 'su' first, ran it, nothing happened.

*However*, I'm running Launcher Pro, so I suspect there's some kind of stub in Blur that's needed. I thought of this _after_ I came upstairs, but I'll confirm later.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Juijin:
Im using launcherpro and it works, i just get a screen saver overlay when i run it, but idk if that happens to everyone
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Excused:
Do you have to root to do this, and if you root the phoen what do you down to put this code in?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] johnnobts:
run the command in terminal emulator with hdmi plugged in an webtop boots up. still have motorola screensaver moving around as well which is weird. also can't control webtop (have a bt keyboard but no mouse).
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Excused:
What is the terminal emulator and how do I get it?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bendoe91z28:
Open the Market and search for terminal emulator. You need root to get superuser permissions as well
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Excused:
I just rooted my device, and when I download terminal emulator im getting "Package file was not signed correctly" what did I do wrong?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bendoe91z28:
I googled it and it sounds like an app .apk error. Try a different terminal emulator.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Excused:
Okay, I type /osh/usr/local/bin/webtop-restart in this box terminal but it does nothing on the phone nor the monitor I have the HDMI hook up to, what am I doing wrong now? lol
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bendoe91z28:
did you type SU first?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Excused:
Yeah and I get no error and or anything
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kjbreil:
Looks like the webtop-restart does not actually start a full webtop. I think there are other services that need to be start along with the webtop. I have forgotten where but either in osh/local/sbin or /osh/sbin there is a startWebtop program, it might be a script. It errors out when running. What I think might happen is when you first plug in a webtop able dock it installs something. There are plenty of installxxx.sh in sbin folders. I will be doing some more digging tonight but need to pretend to do some work right now...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dew.man:
Can somebody with a BT kbd/mouse try this (I don't have one here):

instead of the command in the OP, try this one:

/osh/etc/init.d/startX.SH

It appears to fire up the full version and does not lock your phone screen.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naxir:
shouldn't need the . before the command if you're giving full path.

/osh/usr/local/bin/webtop-restart

is what you should suggest since if they're in any folder other than / using a period before it will cause it not to work.

edit: didn't realize the thread was 3 pages, someone probably already pointed that out, my bad.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bendoe91z28:
I'm getting a "file not found" even though the file is there
[Atrix 4G Android Development] clubtech:
When you run this, does it show the virtual mouse on the phone's screen or not?

If not, it is not the full webtop.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dew.man:
Try this instead:

/osh/etc/init.d/startX.sh

Damn case-sensitive crap!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naxir:
when trying to access the buttons at the bottom of the mobile view, hold alt and drag the window. in linux this generally allows you to move a window without grabbing the title and should allow you to drag the top off the screen allowing you to access the bottom.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dew.man:
Not sure I agree with this. When they shipped the phone, they decided to omit the webtop functionality without the dock, and I'm guessing also nixed the virtual track pad app.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] clubtech:
No it shows up with i launch webtop when the phone is docked to the HD dock.

The virtual trackpad is showing up the phone's screen. there is probably something we need to run to make it show up.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dew.man:
Ok thanks. Makes sense.

Would still like to know if /osh/etc/init.d/startX.sh fixes the problem with not being able to interact with the phone via the webtop...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bendoe91z28:
I'm getting the following returned in terminal emulator

Unknown HZ value! (162) assume 100.

x is running

Uknown HZ value ! (162) assume 100.

lxsession already running. ignore

Did you get it to fire up?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dew.man:
Yes but it takes a minute as it appears to be a clean boot.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tsekh501:
Great, I look forward to seeing some cheaper knock-off docks (i.e. knock-off laptop dock that does the same thing) on eBay :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bendoe91z28:
Ok. I did a rebooted the phone and it worked.

The phone is not frozen, but it mouse is connected to "both" the phone and webtop at the same time.

For example, If I move the mouse to the left, the webtop mouse moves to the left, but also the phone homescreen changes to the left.

If I click the mouse, it will active whatever button the cursor was on the phone, but do nothing on the webtop.

You can also unplug HDMI, then plug it back in without having to re-run the script.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bookofjoshua:
when I do this and connect to my vizio 26" it pops up at 480p the webtop doesn't fit the screen and my mouse is controlling both the webtop and the phone at the same time, the motorola "M" red logo is constantly on the webtop screen also.

I haven't tried your first method yet, I was just about to hit enter when you updated your post!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] davewuvswaffles:
What terminal emulator are you guys using?

I installed Android Terminal Emulator but it isn't asking for superuser and I can't get the command to work.

The app named Terminal Editor wasn't installing for me, kept getting an error.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] NguyenHuu:
coolio, so in theory you can use an app like gscript, enter in the command and save it as a shortcut on your phone. Then when you want to do webtop, just plug the phone in and then hit the shortcut and you are in?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Terrigno:
If you guys can get this working in a simple precedure for everyone, Im willling to donate to this.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] shep211:
I just got my dock and i did not connect keyboard or mouse before connecting it and I did get the virtual track pad. Once I connected bt mouse it went away.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] lostsoulktash:
Tried the methods but still seem to get the screen saver.

Thanks for the tip by the way...almost there.

Doesn't seem to have correct resolution on 37" tv.