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[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
The bootloader is definitely encrypted.

TBH has some development firmware and other component files for this phone and so far they appear to be just like all other recent Motorola devices in this regard.

"Cracking" the encrypted bootloader is a fairytale...anyone who has looked closely at the problem knows that.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] t0dbld:
AHHH do you people not even read the topic OP in the very thread you decide to post your gibberish? please if you are not up to speed dont post... if you do not have something constructive about the subject at hand dont post ... period
[Atrix 4G Android Development] BlackOtaku:
TBH has been very active in investigating the bootloaders of Verizon's Motorola phones and are generally very knowledgeable about Motorola devices, period. I for one am glad to see them taking part in the discussion, even if their tone is pessimistic. So unless you have helped to painstakingly scrub down every last bit of software to try to find someway around the bootloader situation, I think CellZealot's gibberish holds a lot more relevance to this thread than yours.

On-topic: Would it be possible to create a stage 2 bootloader that could boot custom kernels? It seems that it's being attempted on the Milestone with mixed results: https://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/2ndboot

Unfortunately, from the project page it seems the project has died for some unspecified reason. https://bitbucket.org/droiddev/2ndboot/overview

A kernel swapping method was also devised using kexec, but they couldn't get the radio to work.

So now I'm reading and trying to find what method they used to get CyanogenMod running on the Milestone. Who knows, the key to at least a small part of our problems might be there, it seems they have a custom kernel running for CyanogenMod. nope, they seem to be running a simply leaked kernel. But, the guys over in the Milestone dev section have been working hard to find ways around the bootloader for a while; perhaps we should collaborate with them?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zok-star:
nice!! well done!!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] perdurabo2:
From the dump I looked at, it appeared it as signed, not encrypted. What evidence do you have that it is encrypted and not signed?

Thanks for any info
[Atrix 4G Android Development] hansmrtn:
I might get this phone dg. I was the axura ce Dev and I would love to dev here with dg. Att locked once again haha. Good luck man!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
Already killed the att lock down on installed market apps, tethering should be as easy as it was on the leaked captivate builds. keep reading
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Fixter:
To activate Tethering we only need this:

Menu - Settings - Wireless & NetworksMobile Networks - Access Point Names - Menu - New APN, Enter these settings:

Name: AT&T

APN: wap.cingular

Proxy: leave blank

Port: 80

Username:WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM

Password:CINGULAR1

Server: leave blank

MMSC: http://mmsc.cingular.com

MMS Proxy: wireless.cingular.com

MMS Port: 80

MMS Protocol: WAP 2.0

MCC:310

MNC:410

Authentication Type: leave blank

APN Type: leave blank
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
Thanks for the info, added to the OP!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cegna09:
Just a heads up, this link in the OP no longer points to a valid thread.

Edit: appears to have been corrected.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] vaibzzz123:
I need a rooted Atrix

where do you live, I live in Canada too, and will I need to go past the border to buy the Atrix to root it, or just buy it from Bell and root it. please reply ;)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ftdn2006:
Is it possible to emulate the backup bootloader in order to load a custom bootloader? If it sounds like a novice idea...umm well thats because it is. :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] vaibzzz123:
unlock Atrix

do you know how to unlock it yet, lol.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] vaibzzz123:
Atrix bootloader

so is it locked ,signed or unlocked or whatever you call it?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] pppack:
Read it again. He talks about "the rumor" meaning the bootloader is locked and not encrypted.

This means the bootloader can be unlocked. But it is the how, which is the next step.

It is probably save to say that the old unlock method on the original droid wont work on the atrix.

(correct me if i am wrong)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Fixter:
The bootloader is signed. Meaning that no one can make changes on original files. Ex: Custom Recoveries and Custom Roms. Although I spoke with Koush yesterday and he told me that the recovery was already made. (Didn't told me if it worked tho.)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
I think further up the bootchain (moving away from the actual kernel) there is a level of encryption. The bootloader is signed (therefore we can read it in a hex editor) but the point here is that it doesn't matter if it is signed or encrypted the results have been proven to be the same. You can not change the Kernel or recovery. You can't change the system but you can overwrite the system - I know small technical thing but it makes a difference in how you release files.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
I think this thread has a good purpose but should get back to what sort of development is going to take place for the Atrix, lets focus on what can be done. TeamBlackHat will help support this as best we can, but don't go all wacko on us, we have been at this for a long time we just love to see what you can do with the phone.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] perdurabo2:
But it's an important distinction to make, because each scenario has some different attack vectors along with the common vector of obtaining the private key.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
Sorry for cluttering this thread with "gibberish". When we release the development builds we have for this phone we will try to make sure they are posted in the right place.

Then the devs can really sink their teeth into them and everyone can enjoy the benefits of their work and the leaked files...even obnoxious people with bad attitudes! ;)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] perdurabo2:
I think we're all a bit quick to rail on people because of the flood of nonsense. As mods take care of business, it'll die down again.

Does TBH have a Twitter account where they are posting progress reports? This tends to be easier than trying to follow the xda threads. A good example tweet: "Got root! http://forum.xda-dev...."
[Atrix 4G Android Development] iuss:
Especially considering exploitaton of a high-level booloader, having an image of it is useful, to say the least..

Has anything alike been posted yet? All I've seen so far are Android-related dumps..
[Atrix 4G Android Development] t0dbld:
Lol ... if you were so deeply offended than i apologize however as you can see we are on page 21 in this thread because every third comment is the result of some one not reading the op or not knowing WTH they were talking about and or asking about CM or root or something that doesn't belong, its safe to say by the end of the day my patients was worn thin as even after morderators and several reminders by people to keep the thread CLEAN no one was , I am not looking at it now but i believe when i wrote it there were 3 other posts much worse than yours directly before yours and directly after another plee to stop spamming the thread and move to general... i actually ment to hit quick reply but hit quote ... but didnt bother with the back button sense you first line says its def encrypted ... as of now the only thing we know is that its signed if im not mistaken.

I do appreciate your willing ness to share leaks even though i so deeply offended you with my "obnoxious behavior and poor atitude" ;)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] holtenc:
While I can certainly appreciate wanting to keep a thread clean, on topic, and void of useless questions that are easily and readily answered elsewhere..... berating every one of those posters just adds to the problem of having to skim through 20+ pages of posts to find those that are relevant. Just throwing that out there.... (yes I can see how my post is also adding to the problem. but you guys are annoyed by pointless posts, I'm annoyed by pointless posts AND those that condemn them).

I find the information here extremely interesting, and I applaud those trying to explore the capabilities of the Atrix (and all devices), and then provide that information freely and openly. I'm sure this will be my one and only post on these forums, as I have absolutely zero expertise on these topics, but will keep reading.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
I promise you that we have examined the phone in ways many have not been able to, especially as we are in a unique position to have tools to look in places others can not. I can not think of another group that has these tools and we are willing to help but remember who you are dealing with, we TBH are not a bunch of amatuers who happened upon the scene yesterday. And we never speak out the side of our arse.

There is never a good time to be rude, short, or disrepectful...even when many people don't follow directions or read.

Now back on topic...

someone asked for files that are not Android related...which files are you referring to? If possible we will attempt to make them available.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] MacAlert:
Stupid question, will rooting the phone erase any content that I loaded (contacts, favorites)? I should be getting my phone today and am planning ahead.

Another question, does the SIM need to be in the phone?

First Android phone and don't want to make mistakes.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Fixter:
It wont erase anything. It only takes about 4 minutes. And it doesnt matter if your sim is in or out.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] MacAlert:
Thanks! Now just waiting for the FedEx truck.

EDIT: Another question, the instructions say I need .net framework 2.0. Windows 7 64 bit has .net framework 4. Is that ok?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
You should be good with that.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] das8nt:
It's probably best if you start to post questions not related to the actual development process in other threads, but the answer is: Win 7 is ready-to-go for all .net 2.0 applications. No additional install needed.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] perdurabo2:
If this is your first Android phone, I recommend you wait on rooting and get used to things first. Whether that means waiting a day, week, or month. If you run into bugs or problems, you'll be equipped to know if its a Moto bug or a condition caused by the rooting process for some reason. I've owned a dozen Android phones and still wait at least a couple days.

Once you're more familiar with things and have an immediate reason to root, then do so.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
This is so ****ing disgusting! I`m checking this blog for any updates/info regarding bootloader status as the blog is getting more pages. Makes me furious reading this kind of crap here. Why these stupid idiots can`t google it? Internet is full of info, guides, etc. I think someone asking this kind of question is lazy and do not care about other members! Waste of space!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] n0kia916:
usb drivers

usb drivers

http://www.att-cellphones.org/att-motorola-atrix-4g-usb-drivers-download.html/
[Atrix 4G Android Development] davwman:
Wow, come over to the inspire side. There is literally no fighting over there and we can use any Rom we please ; ) on another note this thread is about how to root, so as long as the questions are within topic hen where is the problem? Was thinking about getting the atrix, but all this fighting is turning me off from the atrix forum. Threads directed at devs should be locked from allowing certain users from posting.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] the_scotsman:
I've cleaned all the off-topic rubbish in the thread....either keep it on topic, or don't post at all...

No more warnings will be given.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dwd3885:
how do we know we won't be charged for tethering if we change the APN?

Also, I change the APN to the recommended one and my upload is still crap. Maybe it doesn't work for every device.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kgeissler:
Trying to root my atrix and SuperOneClick keeps getting stuck on "Waiting for device..." Any ideas?

All drivers seemed to install and I am running Win7.

NEVERMIND....Got it working.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Smith7018:
Now that more users have their hands on the device, is there any update on the bootloader situation? I know there was some discussion if it was only signed or if it was also encrypted, but now that people are working with actual devices and not just dumps, anyone know what we're dealing with?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
Now they are still working on signed boot.img. Will see whats gonna happen. Keep an eye on http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=961648 for more info. Regards
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seanfinn:
Can somebody please give me a link to instruction or video to root with a MAC? Pretty please lol
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seanfinn:
And I just took look through half the pages in this thread..why are some people here so against helping people? Honestly some of you are assholes...If the shoe fits wear it *****..if not ignore...but this is forum where people do to ask / and give advice
[Atrix 4G Android Development] andrew53517:
Fixed it! :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
Nobody is against helping. FYI there is a big difference between asking for real help and asking for something anyone can find with google within 1 minute of searching..

This should get you going http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=952352
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cegna09:
can you share how? I'm having the same issue.

figured it out as well. for those that see an issue with the one click freezing. even though i could see teh device with "media sync" selected, you need it to work with "phone portal". i needed to download the drivers from moto's site to get that to work. this is on windows 7 64bit.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] BlackOtaku:
Actually, the General forum is for asking and giving advice. The crabbiness is happening because this forum is for development discussions, and these question have usually been answered somewhere else or could best be answered somewhere else. The more off-topic or trivial discussion distracts from the actual development discussion, the less progress is made. I'm sure many here have a vested interest in making sure the Atrix doesn't end up like the Droid X... End of Life'd with no real progress on the bootloader front. Time investments, effort investments, emotional investments are at play here. The best way you can contribute, so that everyone here can work to make your phone better, is to keep questions in the Q&A section.

Sorry for being off-topic myself. I'll chime back in when I have something more to contribute to the thread.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] skoalcan:
I've got a question. Since we are dealing with a closed system. Can we not validate -enddate of the signed boot image. Make note of the exact date and time. Then change the system clock to less than 24 hrs. after this date. This will allow the entire system to think that the bootloader and cert have done their job and simply needs updated. Now we simply need to insert new boot.img that has a valid -startdate within that 24 hr period. The system should simply stop using the expired image and boot the "updated image". Once this generic image is booted, it can simply be swapped out with any further custom roms that we feel the need to use. Once all is done, the system clock will need to be restored to appropriate time. If I knew how to code, I would simply try this myself. But I don't, so I hope this might at least provide some insight to the possibility. I would love to work with developers on finding a solution to this problem, so feel free to ask questions.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
I'd recommend posting that suggestion in this post http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=961648

It will most likely get overlooked here but there the Devs will look at it and evaluate.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] greg25:
Maybe someone can help me. Did the oneclick, I have Superuser and titanium Installed and "working" and I'm able to load apps from other sources but drocap and shootme wont work. Any ideas?

Sent from my Atrix 4G

using Tapatalk
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
use ddms from the sdk
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Mhyst:
Rooted and side-loading... YAY! This thing is awesome!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] CLShortFuse:
Hey guys. I'm so happy the Atrix4G can be rooted with SuperOneClick. I have big plans for SuperOneClick and right now, I'm working on designing a website for it with updating features.

Here's a question. Does enabling NMA (non market apps) work for you guys?

designgears, I've been following your stuff since the Captivate came out. Does this mean we're going to see you doing Atrix4G development? Should I go get an Atrix4G?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Notacop:
This thread is why I will buy an Atrix :)

I was loving the specs but worried about giving up the flexibility of the captivate. If the support shown in this thread is ongoing, then I have nothing to worry about.

Keep up the awesome work!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Bill Idol:
I don't know about Motorola, this phone looks hard core but if the bootloader is locked down tight, I'm going HTC.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sigp23940:
Well I was going to root my new atrix but when I go to download oneclick my virus software says the file is infected and it will not let me download it. Is this a know issue or something? I am coming from a Nexus One so I just used adb command and crap before.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ajftl:
Rooted last night. It went pretty cool but shootme is not working. Is not seeing the root. Now titanium back up does work! Any ideas?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Big-A-Rob:
I have a few quick questions for you. Is this APN for the "4G" network? Also, can AT&T detect that you are using this APN and charge your account? Just curious if anyone has any experience with this as opposed to using the "Wireless Tether" app.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] hotleadsingerguy:
You can do the entire thing with adb commands, it's the same thing...SuperOneClick just does it for you.

but no, it's not a virus. It's a false positive (meaning it thinks it's a virus but it's really not). Usually it's because it sees that the program uses Commandline commands without notification (how it does all the adb commands)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
The AV alert is a 'false" positive in this case. The exploit used to root the phone is in effect a virus and behaves exactly the same way as malicious code would to gain root access. This is why it is packaged with Superuser.apk to specifically control what has root access and when.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] MeX_DK:
This from the Motorola Facebook group as of lately
[Atrix 4G Android Development] clubtech:
FYI to get tethering to work you need to set the custom APN type to default:

APN Type: default

Otherwise the hotspot never fully starts.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ranova:
has anyone tried changing this line in build.prop:

ro.hdmi.mirror.enable=false

to

ro.hdmi.mirror.enable=true

and see if true hdmi mirroring is enabled? (what you see on your phone, you see on your TV, no matter what it is)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] johnnobts:
wifi tether v3 works just fine with the atrix.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] t0dbld:
I have already made a completely modded. build.prop.... but if you would like to tell me how to flash it with out access to a recovery or any other means of mounting the /system folder with write access id be happy to report back
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kennethpenn:
False positive everyone!

Thanks for the update.

As for HDMI mirroring. Maybe we should be asking @Koush for his "already loaded" recovery. ;)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
Tried to find that quote, I was unable to. Link?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thunderpack:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/327923#327923

different source but same answer
[Atrix 4G Android Development] t0dbld:
as it is my thread and quote here is external link to thread , it can be accessed through this, FB, and motos forum's as well

http://getsatisfaction.com/motorola...l&utm_source=reply_notification#reply_4827203
[Atrix 4G Android Development] perdurabo2:
As I'm fluent in corporatespeak, I can translate this for you:

We haven't made up our minds yet, or seriously talked about it. Don't hold your breath, and if we do make an announcement, it won't affect the Atrix. We have no reason to support already-released models, because we make no further money off of them.

TL;DR: Ain't happening for the Atrix.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ram130:
Well why the devs are trying to break the bootloader..we are trying to get Motorola to provide a solution..wish us luck.

https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/327923
[Atrix 4G Android Development] damnoregonian:
the oneclickroot method posted actually uses psneuter (exploit i developed for the g2) by default since version 1.6, i'm assuming that's what's used (or hoping at least :)

scotty2
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ]grimm[:
Are there instructions on how to perform the root procedure with adb manually? The SuperOneClick hangs for me on GNU/Linux, but adb is connecting fine and can push files and open a shell, so it would be most appreciated if someone could point out the steps to perform this sans SuperOneClick.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thunderpack:
That's the one I used to gain root. Unfortunately some of the common apps you would use when rooted don't yet support our phone :(
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Big-A-Rob:
Can you Factory Reset manually from android recovery??

I have a bit of a problem here. I rooted the phone just fine, made a titanium backup right a way like always. My data network was all messed up and had to call AT&T for support. The "tech" had me factory reset the device, blah, blah, blah. So I got that worked out and then did a restore with titanium. I had the fingerprint scanner set as my unlock method prior to the factory reset. Everything was working fine until my network got all messed up again so I rebooted the phone. Now every time I try to use the fingerprint scanner it force closes....which means I cannot factory reset the device because they make you use the scanner prior to the factory reset. Is there another way to do a factory reset? I booted into the Android Recovery but the only think on the screen was the android guy with the box but no text or anything.

Could anyone help me with this please?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] t0dbld:
ya factory re set and dont re load with titanium
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ajftl:
Does shootme work for u guys? Its not working for me. Saying need root. But titanium back up works perfectly
[Atrix 4G Android Development] KryptosXLayer2:
I can definitely attest to the "never fully starts" ordeal.... Entered it all in, fired it up, and it sits on "setting up data link" in the notification bar for forever, and you can't turn it off or stop the process unless you reboot the device (maybe someone knows another way?)

Regardless, there isn't an option to set MMS Protocol: WAP 2.0 on the settings menu though. When I set APN Type to "default" - you actually have to type in the word "default" because it is a text box that pops up, there is not a "default" radio button to select - a new message displays in the notification bar that now says "Account not set up for Wi-Fi hotspot - To enable, go to att.com/mywireless or dial 611 [to be raped for another $20 a month that is completely unjustifiable when the iPhone gets this ability for FREE but us 'lowly Android owners' have to pay for it]"

Any suggestions as to how to get this up and running? I double and triple checked my settings, everything is how it says it should be to get it working.....