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[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kzoodroid:
I have CWM 3.0.0.5 installed and I first did the factory reset in recovery and then also did the manual wipes just to be sure before I installed CM 7. After installation all my old wifi settings were still on the phone and I didn't have to re-enter them. So that might be at least some of the data thats being backed up then restored.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CUViper:
Not quite - in the normal scheme, mmcblk0p1 is mounted as /data, and mtdblock6 (datadata) is mounted as /data/data. So the mount paths are nested, but they are distinct partitions and need to be wiped individually.

I just talked to koush about it, and he found a bug in the scripting layer between RomManager and ClockworkMod. With CW 3.0.0.7, wipes initiated in RM should now hit /datadata too.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SRDoniger:
How to you reinstall any of those particular recoveries if you don't want any of the 3.0 series?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mkhang:
Ok this might be off topic but how come I can't get into the hboot screen or even get to the recovery screen doing it manually also? Should I re download cwm?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tdiman:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11653239
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hachamacha:
Sorry if this has been asked/answered:

Did anyone notice if 3.0.0.8 also contains a fix for the SLCD problems? (black with white bars)?

Thanks,

Hashi.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tdiman:
Over in the other thread (cited above) a couple people have reported success with 3.0.0.8 and slcd screens. Give it a try and let us know your results.

Sometimes its hard to tell when things work because people try things and only post about it if things go wrong.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hachamacha:
I'll setup my recovery strategy for if it doesn't work and give it a shot. Yeah, I get that most posts are gripes ;).
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hachamacha:
Just flashed it, and it seems to work fine from the SLCD standpoint. Now to make a few backups and try a recovery - Thanks, Hashi.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hachamacha:
I suppose this is derailing the topic a bit, but it seems to be on this road anyway:

3.0.0.8 with SLCD operation (getting it to work correctly):

1) Flash 3.0.0.8 (using any method but I used flash_image)

2) Booted: Noticed a) SLCD worked fine, and b) no wifi anymore. Kernel mismatch error in logcat.

3) Fix: Reload same kernel (or any kernel) using 3.0.0.8 with zip), and before boot, clear cache & dalvik (tried without and wouldn't boot), then reboot from recovery)

4) Boot: Worked fine for me, so 3.0.0.8 backs up and restores OK, works with SLCD, and perhaps it's kernel caused some incompatibility with my wifi module (based on the error message when I tried modprobe, insmod, rmmod, etc).

5) It ended well and it does seem to do a backup more quickly than 2.5.1.2 or earlier.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Great Offender:
I can restore backups with 3.0.0.5 but anything after that is completely off the rails. The more it's improved the worse it gets. In the latest updates there is no option to go back to anything earlier than 3.0.0.5.

I would like to see a larger selection of flashes. At least back to 2.5.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tdiman:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=970032

Will help you:

1) Figure out how to get 3.0.0.8 working

2) Explain why its good to put in the effort vs. give up

3) Show you where to get and how to install old versions of cwm if you insist on it
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hachamacha:
Yeah, as tdiman said:

I didn't take much to get 3.0.0.8 working. I never bothered testing it on earlier (2.x.x.x) cwm restores, just one's I made with 3.0.0.8.

If you use the 'flash_image' method of install, all the recovery installs are the same. 2.x, 3.x, no difference. just flash_image recovery {recovery.img}, etc.

It takes a little screwing around, but nothing I didn't mention, and twitter to @clockworkmod is helpful. He answered some questions for me immediately when I was wondering if 3.0.0.8 was a contender. I don't think I'd tweeted until yesterday at all.

Format is different from old backups to newer ones so expecting 2.x to work forever when developers are now changing formats might not be best. May as well try to move along.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ximfinity:
3.0.0.8 will not perform any actions from the rom manager application. If i pick any action in rom manager, it sends me to fast boot, from fast boot if i select bootloader, then select recovery, it returns to fast boot again. I'm going to downgrade back to 2.5.1.2 and see if that helps.

[edit] I went through this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11653239 and tried again with the remove recovery box checked, and now it seems to be making a nandroid backup. Will try to report if other features are working appropriately.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wxjunkie:
I had the same issue with 3.0.0.8 so I reverted to. 07...same issue...so I went to. 05 which was my last working recovery and it's okay . Dunno what the cause could be.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
Hello my name is P3Droid,

We (TBH) have a lot of experience in Motorola phones and hacking. This experience dates back to the Razr days.

Here is a word of caution. Do no delete apps from the System partition, I would suggest you only rename them to .bak. When Motorola pushes updates each of the files undergoes a hash check, if the file has been manipulated or is missing the entire update will fail.

Until a system only sbf or similar is released, unless you make a back up with bootstrap and recovery, you will eliminate your ability to take updates moving forward.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thunderpack:
You can remove many of the stock apps without rooting just by using the built in app manager.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
Those apps are in /data it is the apps that are in /system that count.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] franciscojavierleon:
i take it that all the apps you can delete through app manager are on /data therefore are safe to delete right?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] BlackOtaku:
This should definitely be sticky'd.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
Yes anything that you can delete through the application manager is okay to remove, those have no impact on the update process.

And to complete my thought above. When an update is released, and they are coming, then you need to just change the file names back to normal to take the update.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jug6ernaut:
Sound to me like we ned an ap that lets toys select programs to rename and then can change then back when needed. Would make it alot easier. Ill look onto this...also if some one else can confirm this info I might stick it.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
I can confirm that what p3droid is saying is true for all recent Motorola devices, but the point is really that you won't know until an OTA update is released how they have written the updater script in the zip file.

We have been through this with releases for every phone since the Droid X and many people got caught out by it and were stuck until we released SBF files that could safely restore the stock configuration and allow updating to official release versions.

This brings up another important point about modding your phone at this stage in the cycle. Without a full SBF to recover with in the event of a problem that renders the phone unbootable or unable to access recovery, or if you haven't made a complete nandroid, you will be again be stuck and have to return your phone to AT&T/Motorola for warranty replacement. This is never good for anyone.

When we mod our phones against the wishes of the carriers and manufacturers, we should really take responsibility for those actions and not produce a mountain of bricked phones whose cost is passed along to everyone in the form of higher ETFs for smartphones and other ways.

So, until a full SBF is released of the current build, people should be very careful what they change or remove from their phone's system and/or NVM and radio.

I also tried to warn users about this in another thread that was locked before p3droid started this thread. We have watched hundreds or even thousands of users destroy their phones in myriad ways and helped many of them recover them by providing SBF files as a safety net. It's not fun and if it can be avoided it is to everyone's benefit to do so and only requires care and forethought.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jug6ernaut:
Is there anyway we could make a backup of this partition for later use? would each user need to make one or would one for all users suffice?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
Assuming a bootstrapped custom recovery is possible, and we know Koush is already working on it, then a nandroid backup of at least the system, userdata and cache partitions would be the first and best step to take. Also assuming that the bootloader is locked/signed and true recovery is not possible, then the boot image and kernel will not be able to be backed up or written to by the bootstrapped recovery. It is always best to make your own backup for your device and store it on the sdcard where you have easy access, but users have also been able to use someone else's nandroid backup to restore their device in many cases as well. The recovery will give you the option to restore each partition separately in the advanced options so that you won't be restoring someone else's data to your phone.

We at TBH have also been able to create our own update.zip files and SBF files to help users recover from various mishaps.

This was because we had access to both official and unofficial files and tools to accomplish those things.

We have no idea if that will be the case here and we will not likely have the device ourselves to work with given we are VZW users primarily.

Again, there are many variables here that are yet to be determined and modes of access to the various partitions and radio baseband will be different with this phone as opposed to previous Qualcomm chipset devices.

All of this means that at this stage extreme caution is advised and being overzealous with root access is very dangerous right now.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] acPIZZA:
I suggest everyone that is rooted use TITANIUM BACKUP to deal with their bloatware issues. The pro version, which you will need, is only a few bucks and is worth it. TB allows you to 'freeze' bloatware apps, which to my knowledge just blocks it fro the system, but does not delete it. The apps you choose to freeze are also removed from the app tray - so no more clutter. This way when an update rolls around, you can run down the list and simply touch 'thaw' to bring those apps back to recognition. This seems like a much more efficient and easy way to go back and forth, rather than renaming the .apk's.

I apologize if someone already mentioned TB in this thread - I just skimmed quickly.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] LGSilva:
I deleted all the bloat apps using the app manager without root. They were gone!

I did a factory reset on the phone and *surprise* the apps were back!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] pwndrone:
The things that were not part of the system come back during reset. On the other hand, im ****ed because I went crazy and deleted some actual apps that the system will check. Yay me.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Battleship:
Ouch. Might not work, but have you tried a hard reset?

We should make a list of what's safe to remove like we did for the Captivate. Might be helpful.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] pwndrone:
I did a full factory reset and those apps that weren't part of the system came back but stuff like the help center are still missing.

Hopefully there will be a way to load the stock firmware sometime in the future.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] beetlejelly:
Would an app like "Autostarts" work in this case?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] acPIZZA:
Guys, I can't emphasize this enough: use Titanium Backup to freeze the apps rather than deleting them, it will make your life much easier.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] d.cortez:
does this apply to using different font files as well? I'd like to use a ttf font that's a little larger than DroidSans. if i rename and use a different font will that impact OTA updates or anything else for that matter? thanks!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] rjayflo:
before reading about "freezing" apps, i reset my atrix back to factory settings. i need help rooting my atrix again. it keeps me in "Waiting for Device" where before i had no problem rooting. and another thing, when i had reset back to factory settings...i still have superuser installed. do i uninstall superuser in order to gain root access again?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
I have not rooted yet. My question is can we use freeze to turn off BlurAccounts or is it fully baked into the Rom?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Festaman:
What Blur apps have you guys been able to freeze ok. I HATE VLINGO
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
Apps I have Frozen

(reminder: they still appear in your All Apps area of Applications and you do not regain space)

Home 2.2.1

VLingo

Home Tips

Task Manager

Help Center

News & Weather

News

Social Messaging

Social Messaging Service

Social Networking

Social Sharing

Social Status

Swype

Terminal Emulator

Toggle Widgets

Voice Commands

Weather 2.2.1

Webtop Connector

So far no issues. Will update with any others I freeze and any issues I encounter.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jug6ernaut:
If you freeze an app, freezing effect go away if you hardreset your phone?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
I have frozen and hard reset several times. The effect does not go away. The app stops running.

In fact my experience so far with freezing the apps I did has been a faster phone. 100MB of RAM released for other things.

Really not having Home and the various services running in the background has sped up the Atrix and made this almost a vanilla build.

My only wish would be to replace BlurAccounts with the traditional accounts for Android. You cannot freeze Accounts or Accounts Storage.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
This is exactly what I was hoping to find somewhere in this thread, as removing stock apps has been a question of mine as well.

Freezing definitely seems to be the way to go.

Is it possible that maybe the first post could contain a list of confirmed "safe-to-freeze" apps, a list of "don't-touch"es, and maybe an iffy list?

You said that upon freezing these do NOT appear in the apps drawer, just the "management" part of apps under settings?

Also, thanks buckets to jimmydafish and the other fellas from TeamBlackHat. It seems like you guys are going to be very instrumental regarding Atrix development.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
Well, since neither of us has an Atrix and are both VZW subscribers, I doubt we will become "instrumental" but we hope to be able to contribute what we can from the sidelines. We just want to give folks here the benefit of our experience with recent Motorola devices and perhaps help avoid some of the pitfalls of modding these phones.

You are very welcome!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
Yes. They are not deleted, just turned "off" so they are still in the All Apps section of the Manage Applications. But they are not in the App Drawer and do not run in the background. In fact you cannot run them at all, which is why you cannot turn off Accounts because it will just force close the Accounts section of Settings if you do.

Hope this has helped. My phone is running fast, lean and low battery drain.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kgeissler:
Has freezing motoblurs home app caused problems using the market? When mine is frozen, apps download but never install.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
Nope just installed 3 apps. No issues at all. Perhaps you froze something else that is causing the issue?

One method is to manage applications > market > clear data

Re open the market and authorize and try to install again.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jug6ernaut:
Can freezing the wrong app cause a no boot?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
Well, ultimately, Verizon has (by far, I believe) the most Motorola Android devices, and we all appreciate every bit of wisdom you lot have reaped from your time with said devices.

Thanks again.

Definitely helped. I've frozen just about everything you wrote down. I also appreciate the "don't touch Accounts" explanation. Which brings me (kind of) to this:

I thought this was a really good question. Basically, (at this point) do we know what things to absolutely not touch? For example, I know that on the Captivate, we had to leave (I think it was) Yahoo!-something or other, or else our Contacts would stop functioning. While I know that freezing some things obviously kill the app/widget functionality, but is there anything of real importance that would also kill the functionality of vital phone features?

(Of course, I'm not talking about freezing the Dialer, just anything that could be considered bloat).

Thanks everybody for the help.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
I am sure there are apps. I went for the low hanging fruit (having been on Vanilla Android and deleted even what I called bloat there) that I could surmise was easily able to be frozen.

I think a Dev will delete many of these items baked into the settings features to create a Vanilla ROM. I would guess anything that is directly connected to the settings cannot be frozen. And the other items that help the device Sync should be left alone for now.

I have had no issues with my frozen items so far. But if something comes up, you all will know.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] RotoRooter:
The only app in /system that I deleted was VLingo. If I find the .apk and put it back in /system/app will all be well? If so, can I get someone to post that .apk? I assume it is slightly different than the version from the market. Thanks.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
Beautiful analogy, and I like your Vanilla standard. It's something I hope we can hope to taste on the Atrix.

Once again, Vanilla would be ideal. Also, do you consider Vanilla = AOSP or not? I don't mean to split hairs, but I could understand if people believe there's a difference.

Good deal. Same here. I've gone through and begun experimenting with more elements in TiBU. I'll see how things work here for a bit.

EDIT: @ Forum Mods

If I wanted to make a thread compiling all the apps that were safe to modify (freezing or deleting), should I do so here or in the Atrix General forum? I'll say that I'm hoping to have aforementioned thread stickied with a summary of the information found in this thread, especially the OP.

I figured I'd ask before I posted erroneously and had these wonderful devs getting territorial and jumping down my throat. I don't want to clutter their section, but I feel that it might be more appropriate/relevant here.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
FYI - Vanilla means many things I realize. I was referring to the stock android ROM one finds on the N1 or NS. But AOSP is similar enough.

I do think maybe the OP can take the apps that are safe to freeze and not safe to freeze and add to their post? Or a separate sticky for those wanting to abandon as much Blur as possible.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
Neither of us will get territorial on this board I guarantee...we just aren't concerned about that sort of thing. A separate thread titled accordingly explaining what apps are safe to freeze and what various users' experiences are regarding this seems an excellent idea.

This one will continue to serve its purpose as a PSA to be careful.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sabesh:
I don't have my Atrix yet, but would like to know:

How do you hard-reset the Atrix? Thanks.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] efishta:
In light of these warnings -- if I have no interest in customizing or modifying files but would like root to do things like installing non-market apps and wireless tethering without going through AT&T's add ono plan, would simply rooting change files enough that an OTA update would fail?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
No, rooting should not affect the ability to take updates. Having said this, Motorola has shown a unique ability to change things on the fly and put a monkey wrench in the gears. I would not be surprised if Motorola did work something like this into the updates.

This sort of thing would easily be spotted by reading the install script in the OTA package.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xyrovice:
Thanks for the Vanilla/AOSP explanation. Ultimately, I always thought the "ROM one finds on the N1 or NS" was AOSP. We were thinking the same thing though.

Also, in light of the following quote, I think I'm going to start a separate thread designating apps that are safe to modify. That being said, I'm going to be giving a lot of credit to you, snlu178, and many others who've contributed here.

Duly noted. Thanks for the green light, as well as the support.

Hopefully, I will have a well put together thread up by tonight. I will of course be updating it frequently.

Thanks again.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] RotoRooter:
Restoring /system

Never mind. I extracted the .apk's I had deleted from the odexed system dump that was uploaded and changed the permissions back to what they should be. Hopefully this is enough to satisfy any integrity checks that will happen in a future update.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] snlu178:
Saw the other post. Great job.

Re: AOSP - the AOSP build does not have the device specific drivers in it. Those one from the separate builds made by google (why AOSP often will not have wifi or camera issues). When a dev gets an AOSP working they pull other drivers or make their own to get the build working until the Goog gets a build out.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] perdurabo2:
You can do it without all the "TeamBlackHat" chest thumping. Yeah yeah, you've reminded us dozens of times that you guys are masters of the universe over on the Verizon side.

Ripping on more productive people like designgears isn't earning you any points here.

I'd like to see no more of these reminders and more useful input. Otherwise, be on your way.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] azwildfire:
along the lines of removing stock apps - i am starting to think that uninstalling various apps through the application management interface is what is causing some of the adb after root issues.

I also have noticed that if you uninstall a bunch of the apps,(didnt make a list - uninstalled all the apps i could) and then do the redux rom you get the dreaded blinking red lights. I have recreated this twice now (ie on two different phones)

So it seems the simple answer is to freeze or leave as much as your phone stock file wise until you are done with your mods.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
I haven't "ripped" on anybody anywhere in this forum and I will choose when and where to provide any input or comments, thanks.

You can take your nasty attitude and do whatever seems appropriate with it.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] franciscojavierleon:
We need all the help we can, from what i have read some people here are overly sensitive, i just wish DG and TPH could work together and since TPH is on verizon they don't have the phone, but they do have experience on motorola hardware which can prove useful, also, maybe they can score SBF files who knows?

Anyway let's just forget the discussion and try to stick together, everyone should be welcome here.