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[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
I'm sorry I can not sign your petition. While I have slow "upload" speeds, which your petition is NOT specific about, I also do not suffer this " losing the Internet connection especially in times when I really needed to find directions or look up information". My data connection while not any faster in download than my nexus one is not any slower either. Actually that's not entirely true. Late at night have have hit 4.5Mbit down, but it can not be done on my Nexus One.

Others have reported that their internet connection is plenty fine and even some have said can connect in places where the iPhone 4 can not (in this forum, not this thread).

The only thing that is confirmed to affect ALL Atrix is that the upload speeds are either capped or AT&T disabled HSUPA on the device itself.

AT&T has made clear (more or less) that their HSPA+ is not live. Do you live in a confirmed 4G live location? AT&T has told others their network won't be live until mid summer.

So I guess I just feel if you relegated your petition to slow upload I would sign it, and then when my city is live with 4G, I'll start complaining about slow downloads.

The other problem with the petition is it doesn't make light of the fact we pay the same amount of money as iPhone 4 users but our upload is 4 to 10 times slower. I think that would really hit home. The fact that we pay for a service and are not getting "the same" level of service as other users paying the same amount.

EDIT: I support what you are trying to accomplish and would sign the petition otherwise.

-James
[Atrix 4G Android Development] k2bikerider:
Thanks, I signed it also!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
he makes good points .

Also @Zizo saw that you got shut down by the mods at ATT forums. Its SPAM, what a load of BS
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
If someone would redo this partition, and focus on the following I think it would have a better chance of being taken seriously by the major news blogs.

1. Upload speeds, throw in some screen caps of iPhone vs. Atrix upload speed, and then link every single review showing the slow upload.

2. Make light of the fact we pay the same data charge as the iPhone 4 users but are not granted the same level of service. I think this is the big sticking point that can really pin them down.

3. Provide a link to an AT&T forum where users, in addition to signing the petition, can voice their dissatisfaction with not being provided the same service as iPhone 4 users in a mature fashion.

I would not even try to focus on the fact that download speeds are not impressive. It could be some time before we know when they are really live with their enhanced back-haul and where. My downloads speeds are no different than my Nexus One.

At some later point, when we've got some real confirmation that 4G really should be working, start a separate petition to deal with that. But I'm not going to worry about that until mid-summer when that back haul should be rolled out.

-James
[Atrix 4G Android Development] azwildfire:
I imagine when rat:3g changes to rat:4g it will be a happy day.

I love the H+ icon even while network is hsdpa.

Even better is when an AT&T rep tells you there is no 4g, but you can pull up the coverage map, and use a demo 4g broadband card to demonstrate it is working.

I actually feel for the reps right now. They are just stuck in the middle and it seems they don't have any extra insite as to what is going on either. :/
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
+1

Next year will be different. Verizon LTE will be where I live this year, and with some more LTE handsets out, AT&T will have some competition and incentive to stop screwing around.

I would go Verzion, other than I expect the Thunderterd will have horrible battery life and I don't want to deal with that and other teething problems the technology will undoubtedly experience at first.

Despite AT&T's lumbering half assed efforts, I do value simultaneous talk and data.

-James
[Atrix 4G Android Development] robby88:
You know how Motorola's Atrix is unique in having all these docking stations and a Webtop app that collectively turn it into a far more versatile computer than your average superpowered smartphone? Well, Sanjay Jha has just told investors at a Morgan Stanley shindig that the Atrix won't be unique for long -- the Webtop app will be making an appearance on all of Moto's "high performance" smartphones in the second half of this year, and we're told that the only reason the Droid Bionic won't be shipping with it was the simple constraint of time. What that implies, but something Jha didn't say, is that the Bionic and Moto's other forthcoming devices are likely to have laptop docks of their own -- hopefully with a connector that makes the docking accessory interchangeable between models

hahahaha nvm, it doesn't matter anymore im going back to verizon to hell withh AT&T's ****ty service.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
While that's true, the issue you may run into is the lack of RAM. The webtop IIRC is the reason for the extra ram in the Atrix.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] robby88:
well thats very true as well but i've been watching how much ram the webtop was using at any givin time and it didn't really seem like much of an issue considering i would have upwards to 300mbs free while having a 2-3 tabs open. Honestly whats the point of having webtop laptop dock if i can only use it on wifi and on top of that i cant even use pandora or my subsonic streamer because the network is just abysmal. i'll take my chances with the future webtop updates to make sure it'll run smoother with less ram which doesn't seems to be much of the problem, it seems more like it just needs some tweeks and updates to get smoother.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
Troll harder.....Both Pandora and Subsonic Streamer run fine even with the upload capped. They rely on download which is over 1 meg and fine, heck it would even be fine on a 512k connection. The issue we have is HSUPA which Pandora and Subsonic Streamer don't need that much of an upload speed, you notice the speed problems when you want to say upload video or send out an email with a large attachment.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zizo79:
Agreed, very good points!! That was actually the main reason why I started. I made changes to the petition. http://www.groubal.com/att-misleading-their-customers-about-4g/

PS: I apologize to all the Developers in this thread, I do know that this is intended for development purposes.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
Done. As for the developer well, I'm sure they would like faster upload as well.

-James
[Atrix 4G Android Development] shawnbuck:
I signed earlier today. Hopefully someone will take notice.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] robby88:
trolling? because at&t has some serious network issues, and im obviously not the only person having a problem with it, im trolling? good eye buddy, ya caught me

and thats the problem i was hardly getting 500k down in a lot of areas around my house and work, so yeah u literally told me what i already know in a very dickish way, thanks

well anyway i returned it, so good riddance to a bad network i'll just wait for this awesome technology to settle in a better home...hopefully the bionic won't be such a disappointment :(
[Atrix 4G Android Development] drock212:
I know this question should go else where but what what app are you guys using fr screen cap cause my Atrix is rooted and none of the apps work
[Atrix 4G Android Development] s.m.knipe:
I tipped PhoneDog off about the petition, and they just ran an article about it...

http://www.phonedog.com/2011/03/01/...lphoneblog+(PhoneDog.com+Cell+Phone+articles)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jmbneaf:
Saw this thread looking for something else, but had to comment...

I have used the following build.prop edit below on my AT&T Nexus 1 and AT&T Dell Streak with great success.

I have tested this several times (using the SpeedTest.Net app - see Android Market) with and without and can definitively say that this does increase data transfer speeds, as much as 3x depending on the tower and conditions. Again, I know this works as every time I flash a new ROM without it, I run the SpeedTest app to verify and apply it with positive results. YMMV as this is a different device.

FYI,

~J

#

## AT&T Speed Boost

#

ro.ril.hsxpa=3

ro.ril.hsdpa.category=8

ro.ril hsupa.category=5

ro.ril.hep=1

ro.ril.enable.dtm=1

ro.ril.enable.a53=1

ro.ril.enable.3g.prefix=1

ro.ril.gprsclass=32

ro.ril.htcmaskw1.bitmask=4294967295

ro.ril.htcmaskw1=14449

## End Boost

#
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mister_al:
Is anything in this AT&T specific or should it work the same out of AT&T?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] azwildfire:
I added the lines as you posted.

I did 10 tests before. Added the lines and rebooted the phone. Waited a few minutes and tried again, did another reboot and did another 5 runs.

Can you tell a difference? YMMV

These tests were done on my Atrix
[Atrix 4G Android Development] macdude15:
How did you get the selection on the captivate to change between 1900/850 Mhz?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] co.ag.2005:
from what I can tell and by reading a few threads here on XDA, this works for the N1 and other HTC phones, but apparently doesn't do anything for moto phones (or at least the Atrix). When you say you tested this, do you mean with a N1 or an Atrix? because the above lines definitely work on a N1 but so far not on the Atrix.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Clienterror:
You better watch out At&T will block your internet if you keep benching with those blazing 4g speeds :p
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mister_al:
Im on Rogers in Canada. With the changes above im getting about 5Mbps, about 500kbps faster. Upload wasn't helped, still in the 309kps range
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mister_al:
D'oh - sorry, this is wrong. However I just found out that reception / speed is faster in my kitchen than in my office. I just re-ran the tests, absolutely no noticeable improvement
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jmbneaf:
Yes tested only on an N1 and Dell Streak.

Sorry if this isn't much help, but was worth noting to you guys as an idea to try.

Regards,

~J
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
SO Mister_ AL if you are getting 300k up with Rogers then its not a an AT&T cap as many of us thought it was. Narrows down to the device or radio.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SS2006:
^thats what I fear

Im with Fido canada

i will test tomorrow ( i was hoping it was an at and t issue) but dam it seems device

i shuda waited for bell to release the atrix
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mister_al:
A thought... on Wifi I get 700Kbps upload (crappy internet service)

To me, this would mean the block is either the radio, or some networking driver on the cell side, since the device can clearly go higher.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
Certainly does sound like the radio.

If this isn't solved soon my 30 day mark is on March 22nd. Wonder if the returns will make a difference. My question is if it gets solved or bootloader gets the hack, can I buy it again with the 2 year upgrade. Im sure i can but is there a limit on returns?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zizo79:
Once you return it, it will take a couple of days until your contract goes back to what it was ...AT&T will charge you a $35 restocking fee but you could probably argue with them to remove it
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mister_al:
The only thing that will make a difference is people canceling their contracts with AT&T and switching provider
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
Does not matter by way of Zizo in the motorola forums. Motorola did confirm that the Atrix does not Support HSUPA ..

https://supportforums.motorola.com/t...rt=15&tstart=0

@everyone

Unfortunately the Atrix 4G does not support HSUPA.

Mark

Support Forums Manager
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
Except that's just the line they are using for AT&T. All phones now a days support HSUPA the question is if the carrier will disable it or not. According to AT&T the Inspire doesn't support HSUPA yet changing the rom enables it? Chances are Mark was told by Motorola to state such for AT&T but the specs that have been out and continue to exist show support for it.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SoberGuy:
Quite a few people made a point of looking at the early Atrix phones specifically for bootloader comparisons. I'm curious, since it seems like there are a few people with access to the early models, if one could compare the radio(s) on those...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zizo79:
I can't wait until Rogers releases the Atrix. We'll then know for sure !
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
You make a valid point but the adverts do include HSUPA. A little false advertising.ey

Any dates on this release?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zizo79:
Someone started a discussion at AT&T's Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=17141&post=99902&uid=8576093908#post99902
[Atrix 4G Android Development] h8rift:
Why is this in the development forum? I agree these efforts are necessary....but they do not belong in dev...more likely in general.

Thanks,

-h8
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mister_al:
Gonna be a loooooong wait. Bell has exclusivity.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SoberGuy:
Unless the solution is flashing the radio from the dev version of the Atrix. Then it's a dev issues, a dev solution, and belongs in the dev forum.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] donniesd:
But it still shows on att website as supporting it.

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...4G*+-+Black&q_sku=sku5100311#fbid=e0EmUHeByim
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
I'm going to throw out a theory.

AT&T can't enable HSUPA on all their devices or the load will cause the towers to drop back to non-HSUPA like when the iPhone 4 was released. They released a patch to fix the issue, but they still have capacity problems and maybe their thinking is that since they are upgrading all their towers to an all-ip network, it does not make sense for them to do any more updates on the current infrastructure.

It might make more sense to roll-out the fix as part of the HSPA+ and backhaul upgrades. Moving to an all-ip network is not an insignificant architectural migration. They certainly wouldn't want all their data card users complaining about slow uploads because they released the Atrix or Inspire with HSUPA before their network was ready. I'm not really sure what the impact would be, but it seems like they are avoiding adding to many HSUPA devices to there network for now.

I'm hoping that the HSUPA is re-enabled this summer as part of the Gingerbread update when AT&T has more HSPA+ infrastructure in place. It said as much in the engadget response that they were working on certifying.

They definitely screwed up in marketing 4G phones when they weren't ready to provide the service for them. I think as a stop gab, they disabled HSUPA until they could handle the load correctly.

iPhone 4 users complained loudly, but unfortunately for us Atrix users, we are certainly a minority and I doubt they will respond directly.

If this isn't resolved this summer, I may try the false advertising tactic to get out of my contract. Or tell me credit card company that the charges are not legitimate (not delivered what was advertised) and cause them some grief and make them want to let me out of my contract.

-James
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
Everyone who has facebook should go voice their complaints on the AT&T thread and then post the link on their status and ask their friends to sign the petition.

Here is the link again.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=8576093908&topic=17141

-James
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
Couldn't agree with you more. when I said this before I got flamed. I said it in a worse way and with anger. ATT did not have there act together and are behind schedual. Yet they had to release something. I mean they got my business plus 2 years with this ploy. I guess it was a business decision. And the reason why they made moto lock it up.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zizo79:
You should check this out:

https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/333112#333112

This guys says that the ATRIX 4G supports HUSPA as per the response he got from Motorola !!! Why did AT&T take it off from their page..?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
Looks like ashworth102680 on the motorola forum has the service menu code. We need that.

-James
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SoberGuy:
He was referencing the preferred network menu with *#*#4636#*#* in the dial pad.

If HSUPA is disabled, it's probably done so in the radio.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mister_al:
Holy **** you complainers are driving me crazy!

There are 2 issues:

1) Marketing - Yes, AT&T ****ed up on this.

2) The actual device. We can't do **** about #1, let's lok at this. Who cares what is on an AT&T Pamphlet, or what a Customer Service Manager says on a forum.

Let's look at the DEVICE. According to iFixit, the radio is a Qualcomm MDM6200, which iFixit says supports "HSPA+ speeds of up to 14.4 Mbps".

A 21 Mbps HSPA+ network has a max of 5Mbps uplink. I'd hope the max of a 14.4 is greater than 300Kbps.

So, is this really the radio? If so, that tells us what the phone *CAN* do. Since people outside the USA are also getting max 300Kbps on the phone, it's not AT&T's towers

If this is right then it doesn't matter squat what some underpaid CSR says on a forum (they're reading off a binder, not actual specs).

What's the next step after this? I don't know. But let's stick to facts, and not 3rd party hearsay

*Edit: Since This is the Development forum, can we please stop with the whole "AT&T Said this" or "Motorolla said that" and keep it to any changes needed on the phone to make it work?!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] drock212:
Yeah I chatted with an AT&T rep that said they are slowly adding "techn" to allow for 4G in all areas. I assume techn is 4G
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
I happen to think what the information that Motorola and AT&T disperse to this community is interesting. And since it may have to do with the ATT towers this is also concerns the provider. You can pick and choose what to think; your all big boys. If you dont like the post. Skip it. Dont speak for everyone. There is no developement that has been able to modify ATT towers and the bootloader is still holding up last i checked so there wont be any radios being updated.(unless Moto throws us a bone)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mister_al:
What does AT&T Marketing speak have to do with "Development"
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
i see what you are saying, but there is no way to enable the HSUPA like you said prior. So, we can take the hear say or leave it. This is what I am saying. And i never said anything about ATT marketing (selling, advertising in order to sell), however if you talk to a ATT PR. rep they may give you a clue or inkling as to when the H+ will be delivered to your area for example or any update they may have. But your right nothing to do wth developement because there is nothing to be developed at this time with no radio access or bootloader. We all are clear on this yes? So this is all we have is all i am saying.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SS2006:
so ya it is a device prob as im stuck with **** upload speeds wit rogers

so pissed shuda waited for bell atrix
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
Anyone tried connecting this phone to a recent version of RadioComm and reading the NVM?

You can edit the NVM on devices with locked bootloaders...at least our CDMA and Global versions with Qualcomm chipsets certainly can.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
Haven't tried it, but if someone were to tell me how to do it, I'll be glad to try.

EDIT: The Most recent Version I seem to be able to find is 11.9 but running it fails Asking for a Security Dongle that I don't have, anyone have a link for a newer version?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] leadguy68:
This seems like it may be a potential way to fix this... Im looking into radiocomm right now. Ill post updates when im able to get it installed and mess with it.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mister_al:
What's the latest version? All the d/l's I see are the 11.* series, which need .Net 2.0, don't seem to want to run on my Windows 7 machine.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] leadguy68:
Seems it runs best with XP SP1. Looks like the recent version is 11.9.0

Some more info:

http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/...-unlock-and-master-clear-using-radiocomm.html
[Atrix 4G Android Development] donniesd:
RadioComm connects to it. But nont of the commands work.

Using 11.9
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
I didn't think posting links to RadioComm was allowed here given it's proprietary service ware.

This a much more recent version that can run under Win7 64 or XP SP3 and supports reading the Atrix AFAIK.

http://www.mediafire.com/?eownx4kxs0exj7q

Not having a phone and being unfamiliar with this chipset means I can't give specific info about which MA to select for the Atrix and you will have to see if it autoselects or you can figure out from the dropdown menu which chipset family to use.

The GUI changes based on the chipset of the connected device so again it will be hard for me to say which tabs to use for various functions.

Be extremely careful using this application and do not randomly hit any buttons in the GUI.

You can absolutely destroy your phone in seconds with this program!!

I have to leave for work now but will try to come back and help with how to use this to read various portions of the NVM.

Please be very careful and only use it to read any given option.

DO NOT ATTEMPT WRITING OR EXECUTING ANYTHING UNTIL YOU ARE CERTAIN YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS!!!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] donniesd:
Everything i do anything i get. :mad:

Error Description ==> PST: Handle to device is invalid - no device present. It shows the MDM chipset which the one the atrix is based off.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jimmydafish:
do not use this program unless you know how to, this is not a toy and is not intended for recreational use. This program has destroyed many phones and if you press the wrong button yours will join the list of phones.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
p3droid is right. You really need to be extremely cautious with this program.

The GUI is very complex and it is designed for use by high level engineers.

There is a great deal that can be done with it but the danger of doing something that will render the device unbootable or otherwise dysfunctional cannot be overstated.

We are very curious to see what access is possible with these phones and want to provide the tools to explore those possibilities but we really don't want to see people messing up their phones.

As I said, I will be posting back more info about how to use this and am trying to get some more background info specific to the Atrix.

Please be very careful until we can all develop better info for safe use of this tool.

Thanks!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
Great news folks! It appears the above poster is correct and this is, in fact, a Qualcomm MDM6600 baseband chipset. I had been under the impression that it was not a Qualcomm baseband and wasn't sure how the DIAG mode interfaces worked.

All this means I may be able to be a lot more helpful than I first imagined with examining the NVM and using the various software tools to manipulate these devices as well as all of the other new Motorola devices including Xoom and Bionic and several that have not been officially announced yet.

Now I am more eager than ever to see what can be done because we have a large quantity of internal files relating to the radio firmware for this chipset.

There is a lot of potential here for making significant advances in our understanding of the baseband radio side of the equation.

Good stuff! :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Immix:
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Teardown/4964/2

This here says that Atrix has Qualcomm MDM6200 chipset. How do you know that Atrix has MDM6600? Or is it possible that Atrix has both and both serve different purposes? I am not too familiar with chipsets, so I don't know.