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[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
Because it looks nicer and has better specs? DUH. And with their tactics, it's getting hard to stay faithful with the phone for too long. I myself am a self-professed faithful owner who claimed to stay with the same phone until it dies off or gets stolen or lost, but seeing the Arc, I myself am thinking of getting it, contradicting my own beliefs and principles. Even the topic starter is contemplating, as well as other existing Rachael owners.

Admit it nor not, Sony Ericsson is good at making eyecandy stuff which makes people wanna own it.

I'm not Jesus, but thanks for thinking highly of me. By the way, calling me a douche shows you are no better than me =D

Yeah. SOMETHING ELSE. NOT SOME OTHER BRANDS. He already hinted by giving the former 2 models as the same brands an example. Sony Ericsson doesn't even have Atrix. Apparently YOU'RE the one who have trouble reading. Anyway why get so hyped up with dual core when it might be a worse juice sucker, making you complain about further short battery life? I'd rather wait till things are getting stable over time rather than advancements that are unpredictable.

You don't feel so but he feels so.

If you want to state opinions, STATE POSITIVE OPINIONS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PISS OTHERS OFF, KIDDO. By doubting Sony Ericsson's integrity, you, too, are thinking you are right while they are wrong. So that doesn't make you any better than me.

Whatever stuff you say about me basically reflects it on you as well.
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
If you don't harbor any expectations like getting it hacked or expecting further OS updates, it should be fine. =D

But one thing deterring me is the lack of Mediascape. I'm more of a multimedia kinda person, so I prefer good music players... And see whether will the Arc have Japanese keyboard (and hopefully, a Cantonese keyboard too).

I totally agree with you about the other droids not looking pretty... Actually Google Nexus One was alright, with live wallpaper and all, comparing with the then-Rachael without live wallpapers. But after reading reviews by owners that the music player was sucky, I decided to wait for Rachael instead, trusting Sony's music players through experience. And best of all, Racharl has Japanese language and input installed in it! That was totally great news.

Guess it all boils down to priorities. The factors in the phone which makes you wanna own. I knew Rachael had no live wallpapers, and no multitouch, yet I still bought it. With no regrets. Haha.

And don't go to the updates part. I did not own any phones which are software upgradable in the past, so I didn't count on it, expecting the company too lazy to invest their time updating something that they've gotten rid of and start planning on making better phones.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Something else means not other brands, yet I'm the one with trouble reading lol... Is like to see where he said that..you seem to be making his statement your own. You have some real issues dude.
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
I've already explaint how he used examples to support his phrase. If you can't understand even my explanations, you can forget about accusing me for having trouble reading.

Again, this is a good example of what you say about others being reflected on you too.

Yeah. And my issue is YOU.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Haha he said or something else, not or something else sony necessarily...

Take your prozac man...
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
yeah. Something else like Neo or Pro or whatever they have. DUH.

If he is thinking or alternatives, he would have asked Arc, HTC or some other brands?
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Lol what? You're seriously retarded haha..
[XPERIA X10 General] sinkster:
As above. The one thing that stopped me replacing my X10 was the design/quality of it. IF se have learnt from the x10 then the arc etc should be no brainers
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
I guess you really have no substance and justy likes to resort to calling names when you can't out-talk someone, huh? I pity you.
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiax10.awesome:
hey guys I can see upcomong these phones, if u know pros n cons please share with me..

1. Xperia Arc

2. Xperia Play

3. Moto Atrix

4. Samsung Galaxy SII

5. HTC Desire S
[XPERIA X10 General] Buddha:
Test #1,Test #2,Test#3,Test#4

Have a look ^
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiax10.awesome:
Thanks for the above link :)

Xperias are still seems better than rest ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
There's nothing to out talk, you aren't even making any sense..
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
The atrix is easily the best spec'd phone there.. There is no denying that. Dual core, 1 gb ram, better resolution, gorilla glass screen, etc.. So all in all it boils down to preference.
[XPERIA X10 General] hoss_n2:
you may consider the optimus 3d or the motorola atrix 4g , or the samsung galaxy 2 , keep away from the SE very bad support
[XPERIA X10 General] Gonbroh:
I would say, come back in april. Wait out some reviews and check the users opinions here on xda and some other sites. If you can don't be the first to buy a new phone model if you can.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
+1 10chars.
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
Maybe cos you have limited comprehension abilities?
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
Yup. Else kids like fiscidtox etc buy and regret due to insufficient research, and come forum post negative feedbacks and piss us off -_-
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Haha the best part is that I'm am electrical engineer, and yet you are talking about lack of comprehension considering I know way more about phones than you... You don't even write using proper spelling or grammar so I hardly think you can chastise anyone for comprehension, with your 90 iq.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
I'm done responding to you any longer, in the sake of maturity and not littering up the thread with more of your nonsense...

Anyhow OP, it depends what you're after.. If you want specs u should not choose the SE, but if it is esthetics/form factor, the SE is a good choice. I trend to think you could find a better choice that would be a good combo of both..
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiax10.awesome:
All, please dont argue with each other, just give ur personal views..

I am also doing my own research, as of now except Xperia Arc, Play I can only

think about Samsung S II :)
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
having a person with xperia arc or play will help us to maybe get 2.3 faster
[XPERIA X10 General] jimbo77:
+1000000000 when i saw this article, that SG2 gain me totally... It may not be that technical but it can give a really good insight...

Here is the Link!

[EDIT] PS> Make sure you read both pages :D

Let me know what you think!

Jim
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiax10.awesome:
The problem with Samsung, other phones is that when u hold them in ur hand it does not give good feeling like X10s or iPhones..the body material is awesome for SEs, I hope SG2 comes with better exterior !!!
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
doesn't feel like a very well balanced review.... accepting that elements of the sgs2 are clearly ahead.. a lot of what was said in that review was very subjective.. i'd rather not rush and wait to see more reviews, with release firmware.. and test them out myself.
[XPERIA X10 General] orangeyoh:
i think it depends, play if you are a gamer, but i choose arc
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
Ok i need to express my opinion as a lot of people here are really confused..First Dual Core phones will be useless for at least a year since the OS does not support 2 cores, there is very limited apps that also support 2 cores if any.. Dont be a guinea pig and buy everything that comes out right away. Second SE locks the bootloader so does Motorola so Atrix might be locked pretty hard too, as of the galaxy s2 its very good on paper but so was the SGS and i sold that within a week after i got it..many problems (reboots shutdowns etc..) build quality is so cheap compared to x10 its just unbeliavable also there were little things missing like the notification light the torch light and the 3 physical buttons, anyway Samsung's build quality and support is just garbage and untill they fix that i aint touching anything from them but that is my opinion. For me the perfect choice is the Arc - Very good looking, very good and usable at the fullest CPU, very nice and big screen, very good camera etc also will support the PlayStation games as the Xperia Play so what more would you want? 2 cores? for what lol, i guess in a year or so when there is OS supporting it ok but now just a marketing scheme nothing else.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Haha so biased... You ignore the fact atrix has double the ram. Plus that is bs about dual core, it will still make a difference.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Did you take a look at the stand by time of the Atrix? Its nearly half that of the Arc. Just saying...
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
Ok man you just pointed out the other useless thing atm 1gb ram....the x10 has 384 with only 280 unlocked and there is no app or game currently that uses the full ram! Never i have run out of ram with this phone, also unused ram is wasted ram in android so please dont tell me what is bias and what is bs. I am a computer technitian and i beleive i know a bit more than you. 2 cores is USELESS without the OS supporting it... look at the galaxy s2 videos and tell me if it laggs just like the regular one...please man dont argue about things you dont know. I have a quad core at 2.6 ghz stock and a duallcore lappy at 2.6ghz stock wich one is faster?
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
I'm an electrical engineer lol...

Also, about the standby time, atrix also has 2 hours more talk time..
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Since the rom is built by the developer/company, their version could be made in such a way as to support the dual core as well..

Also my post before was about wanting a phone that is more lasting since you could be with it for up to three years. Better specs means more lasting power to stay current.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
That is true but still i think it will be useless for a while, with that said i dont think that the performance will be that much better as its still 1ghz, what will be better is multitasking witch is not bad atm either. I am not against dual core or 1gb ram or anything like that dont get me wrong, i am crazy about hardware and specs i am just saying to not jump right away on something so brand new when you dont know how its going to work out and if it will be of any use. The best choice for hardware will be the SGS II but its a Samsung and its got problems from my point of view, that said the most complete device once again for me its the Arc, its got everything that you need and you can use plus the looks, its just again a very unique device. And as of long term life nowdays your phone is old in 3 months...as soon as you buy the dualcore there will be quadcore in a few moths after that witch is actually in development atm so really if you plan to stay on top of technology you better be loaded, but even then its just stupid. I change my phone every year or sometimes every six months, and i think majority of people do the same thing at least the ones here on XDA.

Edit: Here is a link for you for the quad core http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2380396,00.asp

And a little quote from that article: "Kal-El is just the beginning, too. Nvidia unveiled an ambitious roadmap with chips called "Wayne," "Logan" and "Stark" that will offer close to 100 times the processing power of current Tegra 2-based phones by 2014"

So in three years you will have chips 100 times the preprocessing power of the current dualcore tegra2 chips... lol talk about long life of those dualcores. So my suggestion grab somthing you can use now and when it gets old grab something that can be used then when it has established itself like dualcore, quadcore etc..
[XPERIA X10 General] compumasta:
Some of you might poke around the Motorola sections of these forums. It seems that at least some of the motos are locked as tight as the se phones. The atrix will probably be this way.

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[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
I hope not :S cause SE's example is bad they're evil
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiax10.awesome:
Three choices after so much study:

1. Xperia Arc

2. Xperia Play

3. Samsung SII
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
I hope everyone enjoys the arc when in three months the technology is obsolete (considering it already basically is...).
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Just ignore him. Don't feed them food. If they don't believe about the dual cores not being support by Android for phones at the moment, perhaps they should be reading more. The facts are already out, or else Google wouldn't be pursuing Android update in near future. It actually benefits us for 2.4 update that's coming than them. It still won't support dual core fully on 2.4, but apps that's written FOR dual cores will be able to run on single core.

SE just shut Nvidia up by playing games that Nvidia was going to use for their advertisement, so in reality there's really not much different on terms of phone and entertainment's use, may be 10-20% max in terms of dual core advantage. However, if they want to plug their phone to be a mini computer, then go for Atrix, be my guest, do whatever it feels right for you, it's your money. Don't bother trying to influence us with our money. I'll buy whatever I feel like. The X10 is enough for me to begin with, but hey extra money, I'll spend it.
[XPERIA X10 General] cruzin_cruzing:
Here's the thing, what do want particularly from a phone.

If you want to customize your phone beyond just wallpapers, custom launchers etc., then I don't suggest getting any phone made by SE. Because probably, the bootloader is probably going to be locked down tight just like the original X10. If you're willing to wait longer for more devs to experiment with the phone, and start loading ROMS on to it, then sure, get it. If I were to get this phone, or any phone, I would wait because I do enjoy all the customizations that flashing third-party ROMs have to offer. The reason why I'm switching to the Atrix is because it's under AT&T, and, if you haven't heard, they already rooted it. The dual-core proccesser was another factor in that decision, but if they were to release the LG Optimus 3D (Dual-Core Proccesser + Dual-RAM) on AT&T, I would definitely drop the Atrix 4G for that. Right now, I'm all about speed and customization options, and I'm sure that LG is more friendly than SE when it comes to loading third-party software on to their phones. But, again, of course I would have to wait to see if that was reality.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Feed them food? Buddy I went to school for 4+ years to learn about electronics, I guarantee I know more about cellular technology than you do..

Like I said, it is about buying a phone that will be more up to date with technology since you could very well be stuck with it for 2 years or more. Since the rom is a custom motorola rom, it could be developed in such a way as to take full advantage of the dual core technology.

The SE phones have half the ram as well, and really they aren't a big leap from the X10. So why not hang onto your X10 until a phone that won't be outdated in a few months comes along?

Jesus there are some arrogant know nothing people on this site... Bunch of 15 year old kids with strong opinions, yet no education to back up anything they claim to know so much about.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
wow talk about cockiness... ;)

I'll ask you this question then, is the chart in this image correct? If so, do you believe the "dual core" in the phones you "believe" is so great is running according to the charts? If not, how else is it running?

Like I said, it's not your money. Cheers :)

To OP. Just buy which ever you feel like suites you. There's nothing better than finding the phone that suites your need. I would go for the neo than the arc...but that's just my opinion...
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
If you're running two cpu intensive processes, they can both be running on their own individual chip therefore the chance of maxing your cpu, or encountering lag is greatly diminished...

Read up on dual core yourself, I don't think I need to give a lesson.

You still did not respond to what I said about buying a phone that won't be outdated, or irrelevant a few months down the road. Judging from your response, I would say you work for sony, or something along those lines.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
I don't know if you can read but I posted proof just a few posts above to show you that dualcores will also be outdated in a few months as quadcores are coming out... you will always be outdated in a few months after buying any phone or computer.... also rooting the atrix doesn't mean the bootloader will be cracked.. Motorola locks their btldrs just as hard as SE.. So good luck with that.
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiax10.awesome:
My Question for People shouting for ATRIX??

Do u find MOTO better than SE in terms of quality??
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
To anyone wondering about the atrix go in its section here on xda and look what people that got it have to say. So far the disappointing things are : washed out pentile screen, reports of lagg, bad front speaker, bad camera quality..
[XPERIA X10 General] oXunknownXo:
10-20% of advantage?

Well, i'm not sure if it is just software related, but from what i can see in all the youtube reviews from both ARC and SGSII, the ARC lags TOO MUCH for a 2011 android phone, while the GSGII is super fast, the ARC is even far from the first galaxy S with lagfix, which i don't understand:confused:

this is the last ARC review from a guy at ESATO forums:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlIiD5he1S8

You will see what i'm talking about.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
wait for final software please :)
[XPERIA X10 General] oXunknownXo:
Well, both should be at the same stage of optimization and both should run Android 2.3 at similar speeds, unless SE got some kind of problem with the software.

BTW, do you know the amount of internal memory inside the ARC? i can't seem to find it anywhere, i read it was 512MB but i can't believe that because it would be very strange downgrading it from the 1GB of the X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] XB_LI:
Galaxy S2,your best choice.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
unknownX, check the arc's forum. I know the person who made that video personally, and there's alot lacking before making the final judgement :) It's still a very early prototype, it's just a feature tour for you all. Not all the hardwares are present in that unit :)
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Reviews for the atrix are very positive! Here's just one example, but google it for yourself...

engadget.com/motorola/atrix-4g-review/
[XPERIA X10 General] HYPER-X10:
No point trusting an Engadget review when there are fellow XDA members with their Atrix's already.
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
we need the device so we can say if it's going to be better than SGS2
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Everything has good/bad about it, and there are just as many people on here that hate their xperia and talk badly about it...

I'd trust reviews (especially if they are all saying the same things) before I'd trust some random person who will complain about everything. I'm sure a lot of people on the xda group love them as well.. seek and ye shall find.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
there are TONS of positive responses on here... Like I said, focus on whatever you want, but reviews are VERY positive from all credible sources I've looked at, and even on here the response is 90% positive.
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
Every hardware decision SE has made in the new phones has been to maximize the monetary return by minimizing the costs. Not only does it not have a gig of ram, it also has LESS INTERNAL STORAGE!

The cpu/gpu and every component are at the lowest price point possible for good performance. It's a masterwork of cost benefit analysis. And based on the leaked prices they think it is worth close to $600 USD w/o contract. SE is compelled to maximize profits by almost going out of business a couple years ago.

I can't wait to see which is going to be more expensive. A experia Play or a Sony PSP2. The PSP2 has a quad processor and a Play doesn't even have a dual core. Sony says that it won't be more than a PS3, which is around $300. The Play will probably be around $500 without contract since the profits are in the Sony playstation network and game sales from which SE may only get a cut. Which is going to give you a better gaming experience? For more than a year?
[XPERIA X10 General] Gonbroh:
Not only will it probably be cheaper, it also will probably be better supported.

The risk of the play is that it might not be worth developing serious games for. If it will cost more than a normal handheld, people might just go for a normal handheld then.

I also read somewhere that you need an unlockable bootloader to access hardware for development. If this is true, then only big developers will be able to develop serious games for the play.

That will cancel out a lot of potential apps from the normal Android market, thus shrinking the potential optimized games even more.

Other than that, based solely on gaming capabilities, the psp2 obviously wins atm. You can play ps1, psp and psp2 games on it. It will probably have better games like god of war, uncharted, resistance and so on. It will probably also have better battery life.

The only disadvantages of the psp2 are; will it be able to make phone calls and how big is that thing?
[XPERIA X10 General] :
It seems ARC is clear winner here :)
[XPERIA X10 General] oXunknownXo:
I read in GSMArena that the ARC has 320MB of internal memory...if that's true... i think that if our X10 with 1GB has 400MB free for apps, then with 320MB how much will it have?50MB?
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
LOL

You're joking right?

Repackaged x10 is outdated even before it's release..check out the videos if it, it is freakin laggy.
[XPERIA X10 General] :
I know ;)

Actually we all want Samsung SII configuration inside Sony Xperia's body :)
[XPERIA X10 General] compumasta:
That I could live with. Because the horrid Samsung build quality I could not.

And just so people don't actually believe that dual core will be 100% faster I'm not losing it. The benefits of dual core in my real world experience is relatively minimal even when multitasking.

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[XPERIA X10 General] xperiax10.awesome:
Xperia ARC:

http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Feb2011/sony-ericsson-xperia-arc-close-up.html
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
IMO anyone running out and getting an arc is a moron... Paying more for way worse specs. Plus if you think SE has much better build quality with their plastic body, you're sadly mistaken.
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiax10.awesome:
Xperia ARC vs NEO:

http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/02/23/xperia-arc-versus-xperia-neo-–-which-should-you-choose/
[XPERIA X10 General] compumasta:
Have you held a Samsung phone lately? At least the se plastic is relatively solid and sturdy. I'm not saying its the best design ever but its the best I've had since those old bricks we used to carry in the late 90s lol.

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[XPERIA X10 General] xperiax10.awesome:
Xperia- ARC, NEO, PLAY:

http://www.esato.com/news/article.php/id=1948

I am really confused now!! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] PollPixx:
Just preordered an arc in silver...April it will be mine. I am just to curious lol
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Phewww!!!

As per above link..

Xperia Play:

Gaming phone with NO video output.

No bravia engine.

Old battery

No front facing camera.

BETTER AVOID.

Xperia Arc:

No front facing camera.

Specs of peers like S2 n Atrix are better.

ONLY LOOK WISE ITS WAY BETTER THAN OTHERS.

Xperia Neo:

LOOKS LIKE COMPLETE PACKAGE, SPECS SIMILAR TO ARC + FRONT FACING CAMERA + CHEAPER :)

Make ur choice!!
[XPERIA X10 General] :
@pollpix

From where? Wat price?
[XPERIA X10 General] PollPixx:
At the website of my Dutch provider. In Holland it is 481 euro but i get it for free when renewing my contract at my provider. That's normal over here. ..