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[Captivate General] bames:
even if rom development stopped completely for the captivate there are plenty of stable full featured roms available that make it a more than capable device for the next 12-15 months at least (for example - if i had no choice but to keep my cappy for then next 1.5 years i could be completely content with any one of a handful of roms...Supernova, Firefly, Phoenix, Andromeda, Cognition, Serendipity just to name a few).

Obviously rom development isn't going to come to an abrupt halt for this device anytime soon.

Go look at the forums for some of the other android devices for comparison. There have already been more quality roms released for this device than most ever see.
[Captivate General] mcord11758:
Your last point is very true. I went looking.captivate development has allot more options than most
[Captivate General] lmaoxlong:
I sure hope not
[Captivate General] jahfry:
Moto wouldn't do it if the carriers didn't request it. It would be far easier for the phone designers to leave things unencrypted. The carriers don't want ROM-ability because it causes edge cases in their support systems.
[Captivate General] tjsooley:
Going to be?!
[Captivate General] bames:
its as much moto's fault....why doesn't htc or samsung cave and do it?

if you release a powerful phone like atrix carriers should want it and possibly as an exclusive.....they have enough leverage to put the foot down if they wanted.
[Captivate General] zelendel:
Moto locking the boot loader as a normal business practice. Do a search for it and you will see that those are their words on it. It was even posted in the portal awhile back
[Captivate General] boborone:
Ya, honestly, I don't see how they have a dev following. Are they all just sitting around waiting for team blackhat to open em up. Not much to do when you can't touch the kernal, modem, or install a custom rom.
[Captivate General] newter55:
The problem with the captivate is that all these rom choices are really just one rom themed and tweaked to the developers liking. Not to take away from their work as it is appreciated but other devices, such as my incredible, the options are cm7, sense, miui, gingerbread, liquid metal, etc., which are all very different roms.
[Captivate General] Kubernetes:
Well, now. The OG Droid wasn't locked--it's almost like Moto angry at all that development.
[Captivate General] bames:
i disagree

there is quite a bit of differences and options for rom and kernel both not just cosmetic differences.
[Captivate General] newter55:
I am curious what you see as being different. Aside from various mods that a particular rom may have that will no longer be present, you can swap the framework from any of the jpy, js3, js5 roms/themes and have it function normally. Heck, even one of the roms labeled as Rogers is using i9000 framework, kernel and modem.

Seriously though, if it weren't for the work done here by many, the captivate would be unusable and I would have likely destroyed mine in a lag induced rage. Just wish we had more options. I understand there are reasons why it's not as easy as htc, just wish I didn't have to buy the inspire to get these options on at&t.
[Captivate General] movrshakr:
"normal business practice" are cover words for "because we want to." And it is a lie because other manufacturers don't do it. Lie. Lie. Lie.

But that is what is normal business practice these days--lie.
[Captivate General] movrshakr:
On the other topic--"The problem with the captivate is that all these rom choices are really just one rom themed and tweaked to the developers liking"

it sounds like you are saying they are all the same. Hogwash. The Captivate has probably more combinations of ROMs/kernels/modems than any other phone out there--certainly more than most.

I dare you to go to the dev's topics and say "your is just like his" (which is what you said. State what is the specific "just one ROM " you are asserting is the one they all use, and see how many contradictions come back at you.

If you want to say, well, they are all android-- I guess from that standpoint you are right. That is like saying, well, we are all earthlings.
[Captivate General] boborone:
Dg said they were all the same in the andromeda is great thread in general too. I totally agree with you. No other devs have commented on this subject but I'm sure mike would have something to say.
[Captivate General] newter55:
@movr

Why would you cut and paste rather than quote my whole post? Never intended to get into a huge argument though that seems to be your goal. Also, I have answered your question regarding the similarities already.
[Captivate General] groves226:
Normal buisness practices for Moto.

Stop being so negative.
[Captivate General] JPS81:
There's a good NUMBER of ROMs for Captivate, but it doesn't mean they're all that different. Yes, there are differences, but compared to a phone having the option of MIUI and Cyanogen, we're just so far behind. The user experience on just those two ROMs alone are vastly different from each other and anything we have.

Our ROMs tend to be collections of tweaks, but basically all fairly similar. If you can't see that then you're just refusing to see anything objectively.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Gagan91:
hello guys just installed custom rom (megatron) and a custom kernal (mik_os')

now i got a question..

what happens if i remove my memory card ??

or say i put in another ?

would that brick my fone ??

coz there was some stuff to do with memory card before flashing (like partitioning, nandroid thing is stored)
[Optimus One, P500, V General] kpbotbot:
It's not going to brick your phone. It will just screw your apps up (maybe temporarily. not sure) since /data/app is in the SD card.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] FnH84:
I realized my sd-card is probably not class 4, but I've already flashed with megatron.. If I get a better, and faster card, how do I continue with this? Have to flash everything again? According to test: Writing Speed is 5,9MB/s and Reading 8,7MB/s.. So don't know?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] kpbotbot:
Cards that can write with speeds of about 6MB/s is class 6. That's good enough I think.

Anyway, maybe you can move the data from one card to another, provided the paths are the same. Also, your PC needs to be able to browse ext partitions. If you're in Windows, there is a 3rd party driver available. Just google it :) You will use it to copy the data to the other card.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] buzzdr0id:
Which driver ? WHat 2 google ? SOrry, THis is my first android phone. :(
[Optimus One, P500, V General] kpbotbot:
An ext2 driver is available if you're on Windows. This makes Windows read and write to ext partitions since it doesn't natively support that filesystem.

Just follow this when you're going to try out to copy the contents of one card to another.

Also, there's disk cloning, but I haven't tested that out myself :)
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Gagan91:
thanks for replying..

one more question

can i delete the megatron zip file and signed_kernal.zip file from my memory card or not ??
[Optimus One, P500, V General] ciolnadu:
Yes u can delete them.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GreggoryD502:
Does media scanner have to run every time I delete a file? I go thru my files and delete things and after every deletion the media scanner runs. Any way to stop it or at least speed it up? Thanks

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[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eunkipark92:
use astro or apps like that to delete them all together, instead of deleting them one by one
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GreggoryD502:
If you use astro then the media scanner doesn't run?

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[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oka1:
Here you go

Aditya_t90 wrote an application to stop the media scan on boot and also to enable scanning on demand. There are other applications on the Market to kill the service at system boot but, regaining the ability to rescan the system requires re-enabling the media scanner process.

Rescan Media allows the service temporarily by simply executing 2 shell commands and also let’s you rescan on demand.

Here is the thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=753294
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GreggoryD502:
Thanks for that.

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[HD2 Accessories] cmarti:
Not bad at all, I can't do that I am terrible doing stuff like that.
[HD2 Accessories] xabhi:
thats a nice guide but its too complicated:D
[HD2 Accessories] osrix:
I wish it was not so complicated too, maybe I can write it better!!, it is a good way to do it if you have the know how :D
[HD2 Accessories] Bruno Kreisky:
Really good work. I like it. But you should put your parts into dishwasher before next photoseries :-)
[Defy General] Linkiger:
Hello everybody,

how can I get a working tun.ko for Defy with leaked Froyo?

Kernel is 2.6.32.9-g3c35cd0

Build 3.4.2-117

Any idea?

Regards,

Linki
[Defy General] valles:
I also would need it. Or can somebody explain how to build one?
[Defy General] valles:
problem solved

Hi,

i found out that the Droid Froyo Image also has the 2.6.32.9 kernel. So the tun.ko found here http : / / w w w.saturnwiki.net/droid_tun_driver/2.6.32.9/tun_alt.ko ( or attached to this message ) work just fine!
[Defy General] zhxiaobo:
thanks, it worked!
[Defy General] zhxiaobo:
;)it worked!
[Defy General] Linkiger:
perfect, thank you! :)

Anyway, is there a possibility to build tun.ko on my own?
[Defy General] hamid_nazari:
Can you please compile tun.ko for kernel 2.6.32.9 on ARM71 which is the platform for latest Galaxy S I9003
[Defy General] tsod:
can anyone please help me with the steps required to install the tun.ko module?
[Defy General] Mdfy:
Copy the file(tun.ko) to system/lib/modules directory either by pushing via adb or by using file manager/root explorer.
[Defy General] tsod:
yeah thanks, got it working now with

adb remount
adb push <file> <dest>

then i had to

insmod /system/lib/modules/tun.ko

and to disable the comp-lzo in my server.conf

is there a way to load the module automatically on reboot?
[Defy General] lennox671:
If you have bootmenu add a script in init.d
[Defy General] terrydaia:
With cm7 too

This tun.ko works very well with quarx's cyanogenMod7 v5.1.
[Defy General] tsod:
ack .
[Defy General] lvdave:
Was hoping against hope this tun.ko would work on my Intercept with Froyo, but alas, I get the same error (insmod: init_module '/system/lib/modules/tun.ko' failed (Exec format error), then in dmesg "tun: version_magic '2.6.32.9 preempt mod_unload ARMv7 ' should be '2.6.32.9 mod_unload ARMv6'... Same as I got from another tun package that was *supposed* to work with this kernel....

:(
[Optimus One, P500, V General] FnH84:
I think I made a huge error when I flashed my phone, and yes I know I'm an idiot. Basically I created a backup with the Custom recovery Optimus One P500/Thunderg but chose the first option instead of external memory as well. Then I followed the instructions on how to flash with Megatron (including partitioning and swiping the sd-card) and now it seems like I've deleted the backup completely. Meaning I lost everything that I had. It's not a big issue as I've got most things elsewhere but what happens if I want to go back to my old firmware/unroot? Any other issues this may cause? Please answer!!!
[Optimus One, P500, V General] kpbotbot:
You can make a flashable zip from a KDZ file. Follow the "cook your own custom rom" thread. Skip the parts requiring you to do any modifications. Once you build your ROM, that should be a flashable stock ROM zip.

You can, of course, use KDZ Updater, but that's overkill. Seem's that you only want a copy of your stock ROM :)
[Optimus One, P500, V General] FnH84:
Thank you :)
[Optimus One, P500, V General] FnH84:
I get a lot of process com.lge.lgmits was closed messages..... What's this?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] FnH84:
I'll probably go back to original firmware, if this error can't be fixed.. :(
[HTC Inspire 4G] aNdroidnut:
Ive seen today that the atrix has root, I also seen that the post was made by alot of you cappy owners hero designgears. Just wondering how many are leaving? I will be sticking by htc's side. I hated my captivate for the couple weeks I had it when it was launched, such a cheap device, and was to easy for some processes and involved no work. The Inspire is where its at in my mind for now, dual core or not this ***** flys and does work for me.
[HTC Inspire 4G] gunnyman:
Nope HTC > than Motorola as far as dev community is concerned. I'm happy with my purchase and could have pre-ordered the Atrix for the same money I was looking at for this phone.
[HTC Inspire 4G] blackviper71:
Sticking with HTC. I believe the grass is greener here. ;-)
[HTC Inspire 4G] Anthonok:
I'm staying I just wish root was easier. I run into problems every time.
[HTC Inspire 4G] aNdroidnut:
Root is actually pretty easy on this phone. I must admit that I have rooted alot of phones and this one did give me some grief mostly with the gold card cause it works diff for everyone but with the help of irc channel it was a walk in the park. Plus you get to freshen up on adb skills
[HTC Inspire 4G] Anthonok:
Went on irc last night and we can't figure out why mine fails. It hangs at the fastboot and doesn't do anything
[HTC Inspire 4G] King Shady:
I had that issue on one my SD cards as well. I've tried three micro ad cards and always get the *Model ID* failure
[HTC Inspire 4G] gunnyman:
It has root, but they still don't know if the boot loader is locked. If it is, there will be no way to install custom roms. as far as I know nobody has cracked their bootloader encryption.
[HTC Inspire 4G] aNdroidnut:
As far as fastboot not working, did you hit the power button to switch to h boot to loss the image? On the SD card I had to use the instructions to get my image then I used the utility to write the image and had no problems. @gunny ya I am curious on that as well. Bootloader controls their destiny. I still feel like I have the upper hand with HTC. To much development. Soon we will have sense, aosp, and miui. Doesn't get much better
[HTC Inspire 4G] Anthonok:
Yep switched to hboot and it freezes. Doesn't scan the card or anything.
[HTC Inspire 4G] zen kun:
just few images about root

http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-root
[HTC Inspire 4G] JaysFreaky:
Engadget's review said the bootloader was locked.
[HTC Inspire 4G] gunnyman:
Well there you go. Locked bootloader = HTC for the win.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mattbe213:
Screw Atrix. There is a reason that we didn't wait on the Atrix.
[HTC Inspire 4G] lrs421:
I'm staying. Mostly because I'm exhausted. My next phone will have NFC.
[HTC Inspire 4G] JCreazy:
Moto=No go

HTC is the only thing I will buy
[HTC Inspire 4G] zizux:
I just got my inspire today, but I may actually need a FFC, (I know right, who "needs" one, but as it turns out my work is thinking about requiring us to have them on our work phones).

:(
[HTC Inspire 4G] id10terrordfw:
I may pick one up as a toy. Not with the stupid laptop dock though.
[HTC Inspire 4G] secretasianman:
Yes... it's because we're gadget geeks and have the attention span of a 2 year old! :D I got the Inspire because I couldn't wait until March 6th (the original Atrix release date) to dump my POS Craptivate.

My biggest complaint with the Inspire: No HDMI out... but I figured I'll be staring at a 4.3" screen much more often than hooking up a 4" screen phone to a TV. Also I hate where they placed the micro-usb port on the Atrix.
[HTC Inspire 4G] aNdroidnut:
it just has stuff i dont need, hence finger print scanner, an outrageous priced dock. If I buy anything moto it will be the xoom
[HTC Inspire 4G] acPIZZA:
I'm sorry guys, but I'm out.

Woke up to another dead inspire this morning... after having a full charge last night. The battery is simply way too small for a screen of this magnitude. I want a cell phone I can use and play with without carrying a charger everywhere I go. With the screen brightness down so low, and everything not syncing, no widgets running etc... I feel like I'm missing out on the android experience.

The battery, in combination with the AWEFUL power button and volume rocker (which are essentially flush with the body of the phone) make this a tough decision, but its going back.

I'll be able to cover the atrix $150 premium from radioshack with the money I get back from the phone and the sd card I bought for it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] davwman:
Locked bootloader is ok, there are ways around that. Looks like its not encrypted which you don't want. Im considering the atrix...
[HTC Inspire 4G] borguesian:
I'm considering it as well... only thing is the Inspire is such a great phone... less the battery :(
[HTC Inspire 4G] gtg465x:
10 Reasons I won't be getting the Atrix (disclaimer: these are just my opinions and my needs may be different than yours):

1) The Atrix will probably never see AOSP, CyanogenMod, or Miui. The Inspire will.

2) Motorola typically takes longer to update their phones than HTC and the added complexity of the webtop and the fact that it's a completely new platform for Moto will only add to the time it takes them to update. I expect the Inspire to get an official Gingerbread update long before the Atrix does.

3) Sense provides a much better user experience than Motoblur in my opinion. It really seems to add a lot more functionality and looks better as well.

4) I love the larger screen of the Inspire. I don't have small hands and 4.3 inches is how I like it.

5) Because the Atrix uses a PenTile LCD, its screen actually seems less sharp than the Inspire's despite being smaller and higher resolution.

6) The Atrix's desktop and laptop docks provide support for its coolest features, but they're overpriced and I couldn't justify spending that much money on them anyways.

7) The Atrix only has a 5 MP camera and 720p video recording. According to reviews and based on experience with the Droid line, its picture and video quality will be no better than the Inspire.

8) The front facing camera would be nice to have, but I don't know anyone else with an Android phone and ffc that I could video chat with.

9) The Atrix has 1GB of RAM, but there is a rumor that a large portion of it is reserved for the webtop and not available for other apps to use. If this is the case, the Inspire might actually have more usable RAM.

10) The Tegra 2 is undoubtedly more futureproof than the second gen Snapdragon, but at this point the Inspire can handle every Android game out there and feels extremely snappy all by its single core self.
[HTC Inspire 4G] gtg465x:
And just to be fair, I'll come up with a response that someone else might find more applicable to their opinions:

1) I don't care about AOSP, CyanogenMod, or Miui. I usually run stock anyways and if I do want to run something custom there will be plenty of customized ROMs based on the stock Motorola ROM.

2) Motorola said they would try harder in 2011 to keep their phones updated. I don't think it will take them too long to get their flagship phone updated.

3) Sense feels heavy to me. Motoblur is less customized and closer to a stock Android experience. Plus I can always run LauncherPro or ADW if I don't like the Motoblur launcher.

4) The Inspire's screen is too large for me to use comfortably with one hand. Plus the Atrix is thinner and lighter.

5) The Atrix's higher resolution screen will provide more screen real estate.

6) I can afford the desktop and laptop docks and they're going to be awesome. You could always just use an HDMI cable and bluetooth keyboard/mouse if you can't afford the docks.

7) The Atrix is supposed to get 1080p video recording in a future update. The Inspire will never get 1080p recording.

8) I have friends who have front facing cams on their Android phones and I can finally video chat with them. Plus a lot more phones with ffcs will be coming out in the next year.

9) Even if some of the RAM is reserved for the webtop, the Atrix will still have more than enough.

10) Tegra 2 *****es. The Atrix will never bog down under heavy multitasking and new games with better graphics that take advantage of the Tegra 2 will be coming out soon.

11) Battery life. It will be better than the Inspire.
[HTC Inspire 4G] JaysFreaky:
I heard it's a real pain in the ass. Plus there's the whole kernel can't be changed thing.
[HTC Inspire 4G] JaysFreaky:
Why would you pay that much for a glorified web-browser?
[HTC Inspire 4G] gunnyman:
Repeat after me:

"My phone is not my penis"
[HTC Inspire 4G] aNdroidnut:
This was great!!!! so going in my sig!!
[HTC Inspire 4G] gtg465x:
Do note that you are quoting an opinion that is not of my own.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Pheno.menon:
Have you actually read any reviews on the docks? They are pretty garbage in performance and have terrible value.
[HTC Inspire 4G] ufgrat:
I switched to the Inspire from a Motorola Milestone (AT&T friendly Moto Droid), and yeah, there's one or two custom roms. Motorola, after selling me a phone that would be upgraded to Froyo "as soon as possible", which "supports Flash" (says so on the box!), now says that they'll be rolling out the Froyo upgrade to the Milestone in "early Q1 2011".

I'm tired of waiting. I'm tired of Motorola announcing that they aren't going to roll out the next version, and then that they are, and then that they're thinking about it, and then that they will after all, aren't they so nice? I'm tired of Motorola's locked bootloader, and their posts that say if you want a custom ROM, you bought the wrong phone.

Motorola isn't a friend to the enthusiast community. They don't want to be friends with the enthusiast community.

The docks don't impress me, as the laptop is effectively a glorified Firefox session, and my HTPC is already running XBMC.

As for battery life, I think people will be disappointed... The Inspire's standby time is rated at 372, but the Atrix is only 250 (gsmarena). That puts it on par with the Droid X, which typically requires a charge to make it through a normal day.

Personally, it's looking like I can get a day to a day and a half out of the Inspire's battery, so that's on par with my Milestone.

If you haven't guessed by now, I won't be getting an Atrix. :cool:
[HTC Inspire 4G] RiNo808:
Some good news and some bad news for all you Atrix peeps...For the good news, the instuctions to root is up and its very simple...For the bad news, the bootloader is encrypted...Dayamn...
[HTC Inspire 4G] lrs421:
Ugh. No custom kernels or atleast not for a long time.
[HTC Inspire 4G] davwman:
Well looks like I'm staying here. I was thinking about leaving because I was having WiFi issues, but that's fixed. HTC land has too much development capabilities to leave anyway, especially after the work I put into rooting.
[HTC Inspire 4G] waltah!:
I may jump but not because of root. I rarely modify any of my devices since I pick the ones I like based on how they work out of the box most of the time.

The Inspire really is a fantastic phone, don't get me wrong. My main issue is that I have to make so many compromises for battery life. I turn off background data, lower screen brightness, use wifi at work that's slower than hspa+, turn off some widgets and overall use it less than I normally would. After all of that the battery life is pretty solid, but it takes much of the fun of Android away from me.

I have no interest in the laptop dock, but the media dock peaks my interest a bit. Dual core is going to be more future proof as well which means something with a 2yr contract.

I won't make up my mind until I go check it out for myself once my store has them in on Monday.
[HTC Inspire 4G] calin75:
I love my inspire. The best phone I have had so far, and I have had many.
[HTC Inspire 4G] RiNo808:
I just played with an Atrix at my local ATT store...well the screen is really small compared next to my inspire...also the screen on the inspire looks crisper...and the camera app is better on the inspire...for the Atrix the speaker is hella loud...and its feels really good in hand...the Atrix scored higher in quadrant...2400 to inspires 1700...the inspire did score higher in Linpack a 58 to Atrix 54...what do you guys think...switch or stay...
[HTC Inspire 4G] californiarailroader:
Ditto on that from me!