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[Xoom General] setite:
At the risk of jinxing myself I KNOW this device will live up to my expectations. Mostly because I have been at this too long to have unrealistic expectations. I expect Android, optimized for a 10" screen, that has full flash.

I know my HTC EVO already does flash pretty well, and the XOOM will be faster. I also know i like the OS because I have spent hours testing apps on the crappy honeycomb emulator.

I am very concerned with price, but most of the things I buy have cheaper options of comparable or inferior performance. I spent 2500$ on my i7 rig a few months ago. My friend just bought is a month or so ago, spent about half as much, because he didn't go overboard as much as me, and a few things were already cheaper. On one hand, I spent more money than I needed too. I didn't NEED two video cards. I didn't need to purchase a more expensive motherboard, but I wanted one that was black, instead of the ugly blue that gigabyte motherboards are. I didn't need to watercool the PC, or pay twice as much for the largest case I could find so that I could install watercooling without any modifications, and hide all the wires.

None of this negates the price issue with the XOOM. I would rather buy a 600$ WiFi Only XOOM. I would be able to justify the 130$ speaker dock then. At the current price, I am not sure if I am willing to spend the extra 80$ the speaker dock costs over the regular dock. I have an HTC EVO and don't need 3G in the tablet. But I have more money to spend on this tablet than I do patience to wait for a WiFi-Only version. 5 months later and there is no WiFi Only Galaxy Tab, this is why I am reluctant to wait.

Also, for my personal consideration is that the other android tablets all have something wrong with them. LG has 3D I think is stupid, Samsung uses PDMI, Notion Ink is an unproven company. I think, based on the other offerings, if the only problem with the XOOM is price then I'm sitting pretty. What I find funny is that some people are willing to pay 800$ for the XOOM but are nitpicking over 55$ for 1 month of service and activation. Granted I don't want to spend that price either, but it's still amusing.

Side Note. Is anyone else wondering what is wrong with my and my long winded posts?
[Xoom General] Jrockttu:
I'm one of those people, and I can say that I feel that way because it's like they just keep piling on. The $55 by itself isn't the problem. The problem is that I'm paying $200 extra for 4g that the device doesn't have yet, and I'll have a 3g device that requires me to pay a $35 activation fee on top of data charges just to turn the 3g on each time if I ever decide to use the 3g capability.

I'll also have to be without my Xoom for a week if I want 4g added in, and I guarantee the 4g data plans from Verizon will be more expensive than the current 3g plans.
[Xoom General] setite:
Let me play devil's advocate for a moment, and give you some perspective.

iPod Touch 32GB - 299.99

iPhone 4 32GB - 699.99

That is a difference of 400$ for the ability to make phone calls and use data. Say 200$ for Data, 200$ to make a phone call. Without sarcasm, I would honestly like to know if you considered that in your assessment that 200$ for added 3G/4G functionality is too much.
[Xoom General] Sirchuk:
Yes, I was referring to buying it with locked wifi a per the advertisment, since I know someone will unlock it.

I wonder what very we verizons return policy is
[Xoom General] bigmike2424:
This quote pretty much summed it up for me too....
[Xoom General] SFBPro:
The cost per gigabyte is about the same for LTE and EVDO... but, they don't have a plan that is 1, 2, or 3 GB yet. I will wait and see.

As a personal note, I am not that crazy about LTE right now because I probably won't even taste it until 2012. (I live in a small town that only got 3G four of five months ago)
[Xoom General] setite:
Ouch. I have a friend in Buffalo, NY who is still mad that he had to pay the 10$ a month for the EVO 4G that he still doesn't have. I have 4G here in Las Vegas, but I don't use it because it doesn't work well in my house and Sprint 3G is just so much better than I am used to with my previous iPhone 2g, 3g, and 3gs.
[Xoom General] SFBPro:
I have also have sprint and can sympathize with your friend... I think I will be sticking with Verizon from now on. They seem to be the quickest about getting a good, strong network in my area.
[Xoom General] setite:
Well I would hope so, with them being the most expensive US mobile provider.

EDIT: I just wish Sprint and/or Verizon would figure out that I want simultaneous 3G and Voice.
[Xoom General] Jrockttu:
I'd never use Apple products to compare perceived value and price. Apple can charge whatever they want (and they do) because of their loyal fans and their "It just works" image they've crafted. It costs Apple less than $200 to manufacture an iPhone 4, and less than $20 of that is the cellular radio components. They can charge $700 for the phone because everybody pays less than that after the carrier subsidy.
[Xoom General] setite:
I would think the fact that everyone has used the iPad as the standard by which the price of all Android tablets are measured makes it a fair comparison. It might be presumptuous for Motorola to charge prices based on that. The fact is there is no standard for pricing in the tablet sector. Slate tablets are still in their infancy.

And you are still paying that subsidy, you just may not be aware of it. Subsidies are why smartphone contracts costs 90$ or more per month. A portion of that is intended to pay off the subsidies on your device. The real scam is that they don't offer a discount on your monthly plan if you are past the contract date, or buy the phone without a subsidy. I believe T-Mobile offered a 20$ a month discount if you purchased the Nexus ONE for full price.
[Xoom General] Jrockttu:
Well, then let's compare apples to apples (that hurts to type), and stop talking about iphone vs ipod. Apple charges $130 extra for the 3g radio in the iPad and AT&T doesn't charge an activation fee for their month-to-month. I know that it's comparing a 3g radio to a 3g/4g radio, but the 4g radio doesn't even ship in the device, you have to send your Xoom back for a week to get it put in at some point. They are placing the onus on you. I'm sure the vast majority of consumers would rather it come with 3g and they can pay $70 to get a 4g radio put in later if they'd like. Keep in mind that their markup on the 4g radio is going to be a lot higher than the $70 or whatever because there will be people that don't want to lose their device for a week, or early adopters that didn't want 3g/4g in the first place. It's just like mail-in rebates.

Motorola and Verizon have botched this release so horribly. We don't know how much it costs to make the device, but there is no arguing that the iPad is the standard to which all tablets will be compared. Motorola had a big opportunity here to make a dent in the market, but they've priced themselves out of it. Sometimes you have to trim your profit margin a little bit to gain market share, and they seem unwilling to do that. Tech geeks like you and me might (painfully) pay the inflated price on the Xoom because we see the value over the iPad, but most consumers will not.

EDIT: The 3g in the iPad is a little more than I thought, it's $27.10 for them to add the 3g radio and GPS. That brings the 32gb 3g iPad's total estimated parts cost to $287.15. I just think there was room for Motorola to be more competitive on price, especially considering the horrible data plans, and they chose not to.

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/Mid-RangeiPadtoGenerateMaximumProfitsforApple,iSuppliEstimates.aspx
[Xoom General] setite:
Apples to Apples, you have a point on the 130$ vs 200$. The time issue, I have seen nothing that says the repair will take a week, do you have a link?

Your price in parts doesn't take R&D into account.

Beyond that, I was granting perspective, not an apples to apples comparison, because that is impossible. For one thing, we don't know the difference between how much Apple pays for the 3G GSM chip for an iPad and what Motorola pays for a 3G CDMA radio for a XOOM, and 4G.

Also, I will look this up, but I recall reading that with a AT&T Galaxy tab there is no activation fee, but after 2 months inactive you have to buy a new sim card.
[Xoom General] Jrockttu:
I'm not sure if anybody knows how the 4g upgrade will work at this point. Someone on this board mentioned that they were told that Motorola will pay for you to ship your Xoom to them and they'll ship it back with 4g and they expect a 1 week turnaround. I don't remember where they got this information, so it could be false. It would be nice if Motorola was more transparent on this process.

I know the price I quoted is only considering parts. The one GIANT advantage Apple has is that their device is basically an app delivery system and they get a 30% cut on everything in the App Store, where manufacturers of Android devices don't have this luxury. Google may need to provide some monetary compensation to these device manufacturers (if they don't already) to help them keep up with Apple.
[Vibrant General] bartek25:
DOWNLOAD GALAXY S TUNER app from market it does things u could not imagine before like adjust colors adjust sound and everything u phone can handle so head up
[Vibrant General] duboi97:
Do you mean GST (Galaxy S Tweaker) or do I have the wrong app...:cool:
[Vibrant General] bartek25:
u have the wrong app its galaxy s tuner , the other app i would uninstall
[Vibrant General] sharkethicx:
You can use galaxy s tuner as long as you're rooted. You don't need DOW or Dragon or any special kernel for it. For the DoW and Dragon and stuff download Voodoo Control from the market. That's the app you need.
[Vibrant General] bartek25:
U dont need to be rooted
[Vibrant General] duboi97:
Made by....D.W.Kim ?
[Vibrant General] j56bp:
must be rooted............u can even OC to 1.2

**** rocks.
[Vibrant General] nomadrider123:
There is a setting that says using with unrooted when you click on it there is a spot to check that says use galllaxy tuner with unrooted
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lukey-windy:
Anybody noticed that Facebook push notification aren't working?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fireballrs:
Noticed that...can't find any reaso why.

Should work with Android 2.2.X but it doesnt :(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lukey-windy:
Ah I'm glad it's not just me. Well I thought it was just the ROM I'm using but like you said all 2.2 devices should support it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fireballrs:
Since today i'm running RAFDROID HD 3.1 and there is no "push" setting in facebook available.

I think it's an Facebook bug because a friend of me have an Desire HD and there a no notifications, too.

Are there any solutions to get they working? I would love push notifications in facebook ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lukey-windy:
There never was any push setting it jusr sort of happened :p try going back to version 1.5.0. Tell me if it works. The apk is attached for you.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hardstuffmuc:
I noticed that the notification aren't working when on mobile data, then a message appears saying that notification cannot be checked (connection reset by peer) or s.thing similar.

However, when on WiFi the notifications are loading.

Guess as well that it is a Facebook bug.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Arnoldso:
Doesn't work for me :mad:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squidbutt:
push GMAIL doesnt even work for me
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lukey-windy:
With that try force closing Fb then try it again. Happens to me a lot but that fixes it.

Nor me mate, think we are having a dilemma here.

Ouch I don't have that problem. Are you sure you haven't turned off auto sync?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fireballrs:
two weeks ago i was running a CoreDroid HD Rom and got the first time push notifications in facebook. i could swear i saw there an option called "push notifications" on/off...

maybe i was wrong.

since that time they never worked again on any rom i tried. (desire z / Raf / Coredroid...)

why we are so outstanding with android? it can't be so hard for the devs of the facebook app to get push working?!

Main thing is the applephone have it!! :mad:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lukey-windy:
Well maybe there was, I'm not sure. I have never seen it. Exactly the situation had them perfect until a week or so ago.

Lets face it the app could do with a facelift compared to the Apple one anyway.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] gattech:
WM6.5 for HTC Surround

I know it is a little too early to ask this question but here it goes:

Is there a way to flash a WM6.5 custom ROM into the HTC Surround?

WP7 limit the full potential of the HTC Surround's excellent hardware.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] XeNoMoRpH1030:
No, there is not and I doubt there ever will be.

Not sure if you have even played with WP7, but if you haven't, go give it a shot. I thought it's restrictions would affect me, but I haven't had any problems.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] gattech:
I have an HTC Surround since the last couple of days. I'm "upgrading" from an HTC Touch PRO with an Energy WM6.5 Custom ROM.

I'm having a difficult time managing email file attachments, contacts and applications. WM6.5 allowed me to receive and store files in the SD card for future use.

How I store a received email attached file for later use? I don't want to keep the whole email in the inbox just to have the attached file available.

WM6.5 allowed me that, in addition I was able to connect the phone via USB and transfer that same file to any PC. WP7 can't be reconized by PCs.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] Wingnutt54:
That is in my opinion a major drawback gattech. I have not found a way to make the phone be reconized by my PC and found alot of people complaining becasue you can't use outlook to back up you contact and such. I would guess this is to stop people from hacking the phone but them trying to keep people from as the android boys would say rooting or the iphone guys jailbreaking is causeing the phone to be lacking a bit. I hope someone can figure out how to do it I like using outlok to keep calander and contacts backedup.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] justinxtreme:
I think you have to use the Zune software for synchronization with PCs :)
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] Wingnutt54:
You do use ZUNE and you can only sync with it so music pics and apps I want to put files on my phone and use them when I get to another comp or sync to outlook. When I plug my phone in it does not show up under computer it only tells me in ZUNE that a device is connected. This is a great example of Microsoft wanting to be like apple.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] XeNoMoRpH1030:
There is a registry hack that you can do that will allow you to throw files on to it. You still need the Zune software I believe, but it should work.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/18/registry-hack-allows-for-direct-loading-of-media-on-windows-phon/
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] sublimeax:
I think if we give this phone/OS a little bit of time the developers will make this an AMAZING device.still pretty much in its infancy.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] spl180db:
I agree i would love to see a fully functioning version of 6.5 with sense 2.5. Although slide out speakers seem kinda lame to me. id rather it been a keyboard
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] manu81:
still can not violate the rom the phone? I have it in another language ... I hope you will be able to flash .. Not to mention if it is a Windows 6.5, would be very happy
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] ottoman96:
So here's what I'm thinking...

Two days ago I got my nearly free HTC Surround up at AT&T... And so far, I'm so unimpressed that I've gone back to my Topaz.

Stepping up to WP7 from WM6.5 is in reality stepping down for me, because of the complete control that MSFT has kept thus far over the operations of the phone. True, several cracks and unlocking routines have emerged already, but I truely miss the root customization and the ability to do almost anything you want that came with WM6.5. So here's my question:

Is it possible now, or might it be possible, to port WM6.5 over to WP7 devices? I ask this because IMHO, this device has the hardware specs that could only have been dreamed of in WM6.5 phones and unless I'm mistaken, this phone could run WM6.5 flawlessly (In terms of the video, processor, internal storage, etc.)

Is this a possibility? Is there a chance my Surround can find some redemption in my eyes? Thanks in advance, and I hope that Surround users will start/continue to work to unlock the many hinderences of this phone (Donations! :D)
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] Dan.308:
I'm in the same boat as you. I would love to go back to WM6.5 right now. My wife got me the SUrround when it 1st came out. I have to admit it's been incredibly stable but I can't help but wonder if the hardware will run WM6.5. I would imagine the UI would have to tweaked due to the absence of some hard keys. I really just want internet sharing and voice guided GPS Bing Maps back and I would be happy enough for now.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] vel0city1:
Open the attachment, then choose Save or Save As. It then saves a copy to the local phone memory instead of just within the email.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] gattech:
OK, I saved the document in phone memory. I deleted the the original message from the Inbox and Deleted Items folders. Now I want to send that same PDF file to a friend via email. How I do that? How do I attach a PDF file to an email in WP7?
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] gattech:
I'm with you Wingnutt54 . Not being able to transfer files and documents from phone to PC and vice versa via direct USB connection is one of the biggest drawbacks of WP7. I "upgraded" from and HTC Fuze (Touch Pro) to the HTC Surround and really miss its flexibilty.

I am an IT Specialist and I like to carry all my files, documents and software handy at all times. What better place to have them than your phone? USB drives get lost all the time but you never lose your phone, do you?
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] mo3ulla:
well its mostly impossible

1. no WINCE 5.2 bootloader

2. no wince 5.2 Kernel

3. no wince 5.2 AMSS ( qualcomm virtual machine configuration files ). new hardware revision . amss from HD2 will not work

in the end = impossible
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] gattech:
So, there is no hope for the HTC Surround to be flashed with a custom WM6.5 ROM somewhere in the future?

Looks like I'll sell my Surround and go for the Telstra HTC HD2. Hope they are going much cheaper these days.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] manu81:
you have tried to use these tools? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=884239
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] mo3ulla:
wm 6.5 ( wince 5.2 ) does not compatible with WP7 (wince 6). at ANY part . os booted different way .. os working different way . in the end ..

1. no kernel

2. no drivers

3. no bootloader

also surround and half of surround ( mozart ) have NEW EXTERNAL TOUCH ( Cypress ) AND EXTERNAL SOUND CODEC ( TEXAS INSTRUMENTS ) hardware. so thats part will require drivers written from a ZERO . which is dead way if you does not have sources or chip papers .
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] mo3ulla:
without HARDSPL you will not flash anything . anyway ..

1. unpack rom

2. any change

3. reassemble ..

its all useless coz you CANT flash it. device will say invalid vendor ID and your story will end before even start
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] Nelsolar:
Put me on that list

I also get the HTC soundround because is the only one with the proper band for my country. WP7 mui is pretty responsible and looks cool, but there are to many limitations, no ms msn (WTF), no skype no many of the basic tools of wm6.5, so i go back to my HD2.

I would like to see if Cotulla can broke its bootloader, to be able to use it with wm6.5.

Hardware is almost the same HD2 and WP7 Phones. we need a custom bootloader and a good cooker ;)

i will love to get an HTC PRO 7 with WM6.5!!! and 850 H band
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] jwzg:
Merged threads. Let's keep all ROM development questions, even if we're talking about reverting to 6.5 in here. We're better focusing our efforts in one thread rather than in different sub fora.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] mo3ulla:
well . network bands NOT device prio ... it mostly radio and RIL driver . coz radio hardware same across all wp7 htc devices

2. bootloader is not an essence .. there is also KERNEL ( nk.exe ) . and kernel drivers too .. overwise it will not even start to boot

3. hardware does not same .. atleast if count mozart and surround .. TOUCH and sound card ( codec ) totally different . and there is NO working 5.2 example .. since that hardware kinda new on market. and dont think hd2 and could give all rest drivers .. wp7 htc based on new hardware revision . and more likely will not give anything :) at all
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] mo3ulla:
asmall example ...

HD7 and HD2 . common hardware same .. but if you try boot WP7 kernel from HD7 on HD2 it will not boot ... due hardware differencies and revision

but devices from side look - SAME ..
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] manu81:
using goldcard .. can not flash?
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] mo3ulla:
if use goldcard if exist you could flash ONLY SIGNED ROMS ..( only official ones )
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] sea_bass:
not really, this is just a good example of a computer software company saving you from downloading yet another program so that you can sync your phone.

as far as dev for a 6.5 ROM, its most likely going to hapen. what MIGHT happen is some sort of backwards compatibility for the apps that 6.5 used. However i highly doubt that a full 6.5 ROM will ever be released , simply because the OS is outdated.
[Surround Windows Phone 7 Development] mo3ulla:
it will not happen .. atleast as plain rom for total replace wp7 .. there is only 1 possible chance in paravirtualisation .. where possible run SOME apps for 6.5 .. interesting but rly tough in development idea

it will be not released or ever done .. not due os outdate it will be mostly due critical diffferencies between both oses .

stone age of ppc .. kinda ended ..
[General Topics] olyloh6696:
Hi all, I guess many people are deciding between these dual core beast of devices! These are the top leading manufacturers, yes HTC, you have fallen behind. I'm looking to get one in summer, but I want to see your opinions on what you would get and why!

ATM my mind is set on the SGs II. It is sleek, beautiful, thin and fast!!!

On the other hand, the Atrix has nicer specs, but doesnt look as nice. It has a resolution screen near the iPhone 4. But how will apps fit on the device?

Lets here your opinion people! What you pick and why!

Cheers! :)

EDIT

: Very sorry mods, just found the official thread for this, please close this thread, sorry for opening it up, and any incovieniece caused!
[General Questions and Answers] Gabuuzz:
Hello,

I search a "PMP" like iPod touch, but that run on Android.

I've found the Archos 43, but it doesn't support multitouch.

Does a tablet like the Archos 43 with multitouch exist?
[General Questions and Answers] kANI-:
i dont know anything