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[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
the atrix has full HSPA support, upload is not restricted
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
Ah ok, I was looking at reviews, and most said it capped out at about 300 KBPS which to me seemed off that's what I get on my backflip, so I figured I would offer a supposed solution that seemed to work with the Inspire according to a HoFo post.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...-Largest-HSPA-network?p=14283689#post14283689
[Atrix 4G Android Development] antiochasylum:
The upload is restricted on EVERY smart phone att had produced except the iPhone.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] designgears:
Date,ConnType,Lat,Lon,Download,Upload,Latency,ServerName,InternalIp,ExternalIp

"2011-02-20 18:15","Cell","38.00000","-97.00000",324216,18779,6,"Wichita, KS","10.139.221.33","166.133.14.80"

"2011-02-20 18:15","Cell","38.00000","-97.00000",286707,15099,1348,"Wichita, KS","10.139.221.33","166.133.14.80"

"2011-02-20 18:14","Utms","38.00000","-97.00000",199168,17940,8,"Wichita, KS","10.139.221.33","166.133.14.80"

"2011-02-20 18:13","Cell","38.00000","-97.00000",420658,25653,8,"Wichita, KS","10.139.221.33","166.133.14.80"

"2011-02-20 18:13","Cell","38.00000","-97.00000",135197,16088,452,"Wichita, KS","10.139.221.33","166.133.14.80"

"2011-02-20 18:12","Cell","38.00000","-97.00000",208242,14974,459,"Wichita, KS","10.139.221.33","166.133.14.80"

"2011-02-20 18:12","Cell","38.00000","-97.00000",244708,18474,455,"Wichita, KS","10.139.221.33","166.133.14.80"

"2011-02-20 18:11","Cell","38.00000","-97.00000",405405,19849,9,"Wichita, KS","10.139.221.33","166.133.14.80"

"2011-02-20 18:11","Cell","38.00000","-97.00000",418884,18635,587,"Wichita, KS","10.139.221.33","166.133.14.80"

Guess I read that wrong before, looks like it is restricted... lame
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
Hopefully that trick that supposedly worked on the Inspire 4G will work on the Atrix also, I PM'd Fixter to ask if he could test it on the Atrix, and tomorrow I'll be testing such on the Inspire at my local store. Should be interesting to see if it works.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
From my PM's with Fixter he is pulling a peak 1.1 with the Atrix, if he is getting that over a cell radio, (waiting on confirmation that it is with the Custom APN only) that means that he is getting an HSUPA connection, good sign. Will update this post once I get a response.

EDIT: Seems to be that with a custom APN we have faster upload speeds. From the Mobile Tech Review of the Inspire they noticed that when they Tethered they got higher upload speeds, about a 1 meg upload. Since the phones have tethering locked with the standard APN that means that by changing the APN we achieve faster upload speeds. http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/HTC-Inspire-4G.htm

This clearly needs further testing, but so far seems promising. It appears to be AT&T has decided for us that we don't NEED faster uploads for the cell phone since we would typically be sending out an MMS or a small attachment from our phones, but with a computer clearly would need faster uploads.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Notacop:
I am very interested to see what speeds you can get with this one. I recently updated the Rom/Kernel/Model on my captivate and have been getting 4mb down 1.2mb up, and was SHOCKED!

I really like the look of the Atrix, but don't want to give up the newfound speed.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Squeak22:
I'm getting 3-4 Meg downloads on the Atrix, but it is capped at 300k-ish uploads. I'm pretty ok with that.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ranova:
It wont be as simple as the Inspire people had it. Inspire is a model variation of the Desire HD, which has full HSUPA support. They used the modem from the DHD on the Inspire.

To my knowledge, there is no Atrix-similar model out with HSUPA enabled... Like the captivate, this wont be a simple editing in the build.prop to enable hsupa... Its written in the modem firmware.

HSUPA is desirable whether you think you need it or not. Higher upload speeds makes the latency go down, so everything is snappier...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] neer2005:
What about when the normal Atrix comes out?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ranova:
If a "generic" atrix comes out (probably in Canada), then yes, we can probably use the modem from that. This is what was done with the Captivate, to enable HSUPA we had to use either the i9000 modem or the Roger's Captivate modem.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] emuneee:
Rogers modem had HSUPA disabled. However the modem from the Galaxy S on Bell had HSUPS enabled.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] lunder:
HSUPA

I forget which one, but a carrier in Canada that uses the same frequency as AT&t is getting the Atrix so we should be able to get the modem firmware from that.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ApplCobbler:
And how exactly do you guys plan on putting this new radio into the phone, if the bootloader can't be cracked?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
You guys are lucky, unfortunately im only getting 1.0 mbs down and 300 lbs down. I don't get it. Wtf is going on
[Atrix 4G Android Development] LaZ8787:
I'm hitting 2mbps down with a whopping 250kbps up. Not really impressed with these "speeds".
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thekurrgan:
Well I went and played with one for about 45 minutes today.. Did a bunch of speed tests and it is for sure NOT using HSUPA, and as far as I can tell the icon "H+" is bull**** too. H+ seems to show even if HSPA+ isnt actually in use, that or the tower was VERY busy. Also the technology showed only HSPA, but that could be that 2.2.1 is unaware of HSPA+ (??)

Its also worth noting that I did 25 speed tests on 3 different phones to the same server @ different instances just to see, the averages were:

Atrix 4G: 3.1mbps down, 302kbps up

Captivate using Rogers w/ UGJK4 / Speedmod: 3.6mbps down, 1.2 up

iPhone 4: 3.1 mbps down, 1.4 up.

Reported signal in dbm:

Atrix: -72dbm, 19asu

Cap: -78dbm, 17asu

iPhone4: -76dbm

Cap/iP4 showed using WCDMA 1900 Band 2 (ip4 use *3001#12345#*, FS mode UMTS RR Info, check ul/dl channel.. 9xxx = 1900, 4xxx = 850)

Moving on, any one else know if H+ is a catch all for "3G or better" ?

Also, I did try and force WCDMA 850 on the cap.. Seems there was no 850 in the area.. not sure if that would be relevant, just thought some one may be interested to know.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] clubtech:
It might be possible if the radio is signed by Motorola (as it will be from another Atrix, probably from Bell).
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
I can definitely confirm that the H+ is 100% bull**** as I have 1 intermittent bar of edge in my mothers basement. Now its H plus. I also know for a fact and confirmed by att that there are no h+ enabled towers in my mothers area or where I live on long island. Bull**** on all accounts.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ViperXIV:
IIRC the engadget review said anything 3G or above will display the H+
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SS2006:
If I unlocked this device and put in my Rogers sim card

will hsupa enable, or is it a hardware thing

can I set my own apn btw (must I root?)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] uskr:
The throttle is on ATT network/apn/tower, not on the phone. The phone will run at full speed if Rogers don't pull the same bull**** ATT is pulling.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] clubtech:
That is 100% NOT correct.

The HSUPA is disabled on the DEVICE. NOT the network.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SS2006:
ah ok, someone else said it was in the actual radio img in the phone

but i hope ur right
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SS2006:
Oh...so id have no joy with Rogers SIM card then
[Atrix 4G Android Development] leadguy68:
I can attest to this in the same location, same sim card, same apn settings... two different devices I get the same download speeds, but the atrix gets 100-300k/s downloads where my streak gets 1500-2000k/s
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dew.man:
Well, I followed the upgrade instructions and switched the sim as well as the data plan, and my Atrix get's much, much better download speed than my on N1 or my wife's iPhone.

I just did a bunch of side-by-side test with the Atrix next to my wife's iPhone4 and the Atrix consistently got better (albeit only by about 10-20%) download speeds (2-3mbps). Upload speeds were about the same on both phones.

Leads me to believe the problems you guys are having are related to provisioning/network rather than the phone itself.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ilkevinli:
LOL ! Have you even read this post ?

It has nothing to do with the network/provisioning and everything to do with the phone modem/firmware.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
Thats garbage because I have asked plenty. THis thing will show H+ in an underground blast shelter. AKA my moms basement. (not to worry i moved out of there a long time ago) Where I never received more than a bar 2g which was intermittent. Now I have 4g+ there. And outside its the same. I tested speed and it barely hit 1mbs at times 286 lowest. But heres the rub. there are no 4g+ enabled towers where She or I live in LI. I complained and they confirmed it. I still hate ATT because I should be getting Higher than what Im getting.

Im getting 1.5 Mps highest all over Long Island. Load of Malarkey.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] leadguy68:
For anyone with this problem, I encourage you to register and post and express your displeasure and issue with ATT capping upload speeds at the link below on the ATT support forums

http://forums.att.com/t5/Motorola/D...300k-s-UPLOAD-MAX-HSUPA-Disabled/td-p/2687781
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ApplCobbler:
They aren't going to give a damn on their forums. Rather, it would be better to draft a letter and attach links to various sites like engadget and such as well as videos of side by side tests and send them to local news agencies, and possibly the BBB. If it starts to get 'real' press coverage and regular joes (not xda members) see it, then they will begin to make changes.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] leadguy68:
Already working on that, this is a good start though.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
I am writing a letter to My District attorney of NY and going to the BBB, this is False advertising and the H+ sign on my phone when there are no towers to sustain 4g+ in my area are misleading and not what im paying for. Not to mention, with the proof of all that are being capped and the reviews of 6 major blogs. Come on.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] donniesd:
Edited with

ro.ril.hsxpa=2

ro.ril.gprsclass=12

ro.ril.hep=1

ro.ril.enable.dtm=1

ro.ril.hsdpa.category=8

ro.ril.enable.a53=1

ro.ril.enable.3g.prefix=1

ro.ril.htcmaskw1.bitmask=4294967295

ro.ril.htcmaskw1=14449

ro.ril.hsupa.category=5

made no change. I am in a hsupa area. Still only connecting to hsdpa.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cegna09:
Good luck, you won't get a response. AT&T says directly on their site
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AJerman:
Just for the hell of it, try ro.ril.hsxpa=3 for HSUPA. That's what the Infuse added to get it working I believe.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] donniesd:
.

Made no real change in speed or radio. Avg 2800 kbps down and 250 up. No reason my N1(Att version) is 2x as fast as my Atrix in speed.

Radio still only connecting to hsdpa and not hsupa. Again i am in a hsupa area. :mad::mad:

For those wanting to mess with the build.prop. This is how i am doing it. Using parts from mtw4991 post in the Nexus one forum.

Need:

To be root

Have a SD card.

ADB

adb pull /system/build.prop c:\where\you\want\to\put\it\

open with wordpad and Edit the build.prop and copy it to root of SD card.

adb shell

su

mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system

cp /sdcard/build.prop /system

then reboot the phone.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AJerman:
I didn't really think it would honestly. That's a mod that's only ever worked on HTC phones if I recall correctly. With Samsung you had to replace the modem driver, and this is the first HSUPA supporting Moto phone for AT&T, so it will remain to be seen what it takes to enable HSUPA, but unfortunately it doesn't look like it's as easy as a build.prop modification.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ajftl:
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...-story/&category=mobile&icid=m_eng_latest_art
[Atrix 4G Android Development] davewuvswaffles:
I read that article too.

Seems to indicate that the solution will be enabling the handshake release 6.

Could this possibly be ripped from an iPhone 4 then and applied to our phones?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
Probably not and AT&T's explanation just smells like BS to me. Think about it, the Captivate is a device that according to AT&T doesn't support their HSUPA network because the handshake release is 5 or lower. Yet if you flash a different modem.bin or change the build.prop suddenly you can have HSUPA? This is AT&T's way of rationalising the neutering of the phones to cover up the fact that the network needs the backhaul they are currently putting in.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] davewuvswaffles:
True to a certain extent I suppose. My captivate (running Phoenix 4.5 w/ Firebird 2 if I'm not mistaken) had HSDPA+.

Even then however, my download speeds were less than optimal. My upload speeds were averaging around 1500kb/s while my download speeds were 7-800kb/s.

Screenshot here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11385012&postcount=2

Still doesn't make up for the fact that iPhone 4's pull 2-3mb/s where I am with ease.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
Right but Handshake 6 doesn't increase download speeds. I've noticed when the network down here in South Florida is overloaded I get 1.5 meg uploads on my N1 and 400-500KB downloads. Pretty much it's a crap shoot, but to not get HSUPA on a 4G phone that they advertise as supporting such is unacceptable. Aka to sum it up, it's acceptable (and expected) to have a faster upload over download if the network is near capacity (not uncommon in some areas)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
Question, are the Iphone users on a seperate frequency? May that be the reason they get 3mbps down at all times with ATT?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] crawlgsx:
They are both 850/1900 for North America.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
No I know that, lol Im just speculating some underhandedness" (not a real word) And this is off topic. But Iphone customers where capped a while back. They complained so much now they have incredible speeds. SO Are they on another node? (again, Not the NA GSM ATT Bands as we all know they have to be on bc its on ATT) There has got to be something going on in the infrastructure of ATT. Handshake or no handshake
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
I know what you are speaking about that was a botched update on the lucent hardware. Not a hindering.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
While HSUPA was not a make it or break it feature for me, I think when you're shelling out $2000 a year to AT&T and purchasing this equipment, that some complaints about AT&T Debauchery of their handsets is fair game.

We are customers after all, and we are paying for a service. We are also paying the same rates as iPhone data users and not being granted the same level of service.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to be upset about. None of these companies are in business to do us any favors. The only reason AT&T does anything for their customers is because they have to compete with Verizon.

-James
[Atrix 4G Android Development] drock212:
Well with my atrix I get poor signal and it only switchs from H+ to E there seems to be no in between (btw living in orlando fl a supposed 4G spot) also I'd like to note the signal I am getting is identical in strength as my LG Quantum which leads me to believe there is no actual 4G (we all know its not true 4G but 3G+) signal out there for this phone to pick up
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
HSPA+ has NOT been turned on in FL yet.......well technically it has but there isn't the backhaul to support it. All the towers supported HSPA+ before, just needed a firmware update most likely (that's my understanding.) The issue is they may be broadcasting an HSPA+ signal, but they don't have the backhaul. THUS you may have HSPA+ but you won't get HSPA+ speeds (and AT&T is covered for the most part because they state it requires enhanced backhaul) until they turn on the backhaul. Granted a lack of HSPA+ doesn't explain why we don't have HSUPA.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] drock212:
Very true except for the fact that I do live in a 4G area (Orlando Fl) I am only getting 3G (and a capped 3G at that) and the guy next to me is enjoying his faster speeds on his iphone while me and him pay the exact same monthly. Also one of the big things about this phone is the front facing camera for video calls. We can't video call anyone with such a slow upload speed. So not only is ATT false advertising but they're crippling phone users that didn't pay for their favorite child (the iphone). No where in my contract does it say that I'm going to get subpar service fir not having an iphone and I'm sure THAT'S illegal.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] drock212:
Since people are talking about using modem from a Bell Atrix does anyone know if Telstra is going to pick up the Atrix? Would the modem from it work?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AJerman:
You have a different issue then. HSDPA has always been enabled on the Captivate (and there is no such thing as HSDPA+ so you must have your acronyms mixed up, it's easy to do). HSDPA on AT&T seems to get around that 2-3 Mbps that you mentioned, and the Captivate even with a stock modem is capable of that. The only thing that is disabled on the stock modems is HSUPA which is the upstream connection. If you're getting around 1500 Kbps then your HSUPA is working just fine. Why you would have had download speed issues, I don't know, but it should have gotten faster speeds than that with any modem file. If it didn't then either your tower was running slow, you had bad signal, or your speed test server was slow (I find it hard sometimes to find a server that runs fast).

Orlando is not 4G enabled yet, and nothing they are doing is illegal. We've gone through this time and time again with AT&T. No where did AT&T guarantee you any type of speed, and therefore you won't get anywhere with that. You'll get faster speeds when they are available.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] drock212:
Don't know if thus means anything but in settings>about phone>status is tells you your signal strength and I don't know what "rat" stands for but it says 3G does everyones say the same if so does this mean even un the supposed 4G cities att is just a sack of liars and hasn't turned on their pretend 4G?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
ATT def lied to us the for purposes of keeping up with the Jones' aka the other networks. Att does not have there act together and knows this they did not meet the deadline like the other networks. Which is why we are paying for this now. This would never of happened with the release of the Iphone. too many people would have complained. Prob why they made Motorola lock the bootloader. That H+ is always on for a reason. Its better to fake it till you make it.

Conspiracy I tell you
[Atrix 4G Android Development] gigaorg:
Back to work

This is a dev thread and the focus should be on how to enable HSUPA not complaining.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
You actually can video call with the slow upload speed, it's a 640X480 camera, people have been video calling with a sub 512k upload speed for ages with a 640X480 camera.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] robby88:
We've chatted in the past few days with a source who offers an interesting explanation: AT&T currently requires that all handsets that it sells "handshake" with the network as 3GPP Release 5 devices, the last official set of 3G specifications that lacked support for HSUPA. That feature -- also known as EDCH, or FDD Enhanced Uplink -- was added in Release 6. Though AT&T is apparently working on permitting the bulk of its handsets to handshake Release 6, presently only the iPhone 4 (and presumably all of its recent data devices like USB modems, which may also use Release 7) are allowed. Neither we, nor our source, know why this is. Our source believes that the Release 6 certification may happen within a "month or two," which would explain why some AT&T sales reps in live HSPA+ areas are telling customers that the "4G network" isn't live yet.

-engadget

so even if theres a way to enable it on the device doesn't this mean it wont work anyway?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
http://www.att.com/network/?wtSlotClick=1-004P5D-0-1&WT.svl=calltoaction

Lol cbeck out the footnote. Its talking about future 3g coverage. Then followed by telling you that it does not represent 4g.lol Misleading because its on the website describing 4g coverage.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] robby88:
yeah the map itself only shows 3g and future coverage but if u scroll over the major cities (dallas, new york, chicago, etc) it shows the specific 4G coverage that they are rolling out and it seems pretty limited atm i only see about 7 areas that are covered which would explain the abysmal speeds i'm getting on mine
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
How do you get that from the footnote under the coverage. Clearly says, Map depicts 3g and future 3g (meaning an expansion of where 3g is not available only edge). Followed by 4G is not depicted.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] FNugget:
The hover over works in IE.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
Yet that sounds like a crock of **** since the same handsets that don't use Handshake Release 6 are able to get on their HSUPA network when you change the firmware/modem.bin
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zizo79:
Hey guys,

I started an online petition against AT&T and how they are capping speeds on the Atrix 4G. I figured that I will try that route since AT&T can't give me a straight answer/

Please support it by signing it ! I've got 150 sigs already

http://www.groubal.com/att-misleading-their-customers-about-4g/
[Atrix 4G Android Development] nitewalker033:
Signed...thanks for the effort
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zizo79:
They took out my link at the AT&T forum lol
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ahmarchi:
nature. any update with the mod/tweak you been talking about?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] naturefreak85:
Doesn't seem to work at all in any way shape or form with any device I've tried. I suspect the guy who had it working also may have had a custom rom on his Inspire allowing such. At this point we just have to hope for a bootloader unlock so we can have a custom rom built or a new modem.bin file to flash onto the device.