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[Android Apps and Games] Insomaniac10:
then whats the point of this thread?

you cant interpret emotion through a forum post, so dont try. what i am is ANNOYED because XDA is crawling with whiney brats like the OP..."updateupdateupdate", "is he still working on it", "how come he doesnt just tell us something, it the least he can do", blahblahblah......it's quite disgusting the way these developers get treated, just because they cant give the kids candy bars whenever they start throwing tantrums. thats the gratitude they get for creating PHONE-CHANGING apps??? we are stupid consumers who think that buying something just gives us the right to *****, complain, and demand.

it reminds me of those obnoxious people who walk into the retail store and complain to the manager if they dont get greeted within the first 30seconds. They act like they are the reason the company exists, and they need to be treated like royalty because they want to buy a bottle of shampoo. yes obviously if every customer thought like that, the company would go out of business. HOWEVER, its not a normal way of thinking, which is why the company stands...
[Android Apps and Games] ipawd1:
Thats what you deal with when you sell a product to a consumer. Just the way things go. And nothing to interpret, you went on a tangent just like the OP. Yet.. he's wrong. But hey.. like what you like.
[Android Apps and Games] Insomaniac10:
yah, maybe if you are stop and shop.

its a friggen android app, and this forum is in place to welcome and support developers. not force, threaten, or harrass them.

hes not running a business. he doesnt live off of the app-profit. so treating this as though its a seller-consumer relationship wont get you anything, it will just make you look like a 70yrold customer at a CVS arguing over a coupon and threatening to "take your business somewhere else". once you walk out the door you will be forgotten in 2 minutes. (and not missed, either)

PS - when i say "you" im referring to anyone who thinks like the OP...im using it in the most general way possible
[Android Apps and Games] jasonevil:
had that happen yesterday...
[Android Apps and Games] Insomaniac10:
its degenerate behavior.....i vowed never to work customer service again, strictly because it just shows you just how pathetically desperate some people are to have any form of control over another human being.
[Android Apps and Games] shortskoolbus:
Haha. You guys are funny. But in any case, we're all entitled to our opinion, like the OP is, and like you guys are of him.

If the dev wants to ignore him, he is also entitled to that.

any case, LP is almost as fast as stock gb launcher with some additional features and it's all free, so I'm not complaining about that. :D
[Android Apps and Games] Asphyx:
Hey does the Launcher Pro on your device work?

If so then you got everything you paid for!

If don't think so then try that same lame excuse with Microsoft when Windows8 comes out or try it with Apple when they want to charge you to go from Cheetah to Leopard.

See what they say to you about your purchase!

You money went to pay for the version that is out and on the Market.

If Fede is feeling generous he will consider any update to be yours or he could just as easily change the name of the launcher and charge you for THAT work again!

Face facts folks you got the app you paid for and unless there are bugs or things that don't work that sales contract and support agreement has been forfilled!
[Android Apps and Games] zzelinka:
To all of you calling me ignorant, whining and needy, you guys are jerks. I have never left negative feedback on any Market app. I will send something directly to the developer. I am not complaining because I want an update now, I am complaining because he is non-communicative.

I run a very successful business and customer is always top priority. Even the smallest transaction could make or break a business. I had a very wealthy individual come in and buy a small item. Because he was treated with respect and we had good customer service, he camber back and spent a lot of money.

Fede may have another job, family, and other responsibilities, but honestly how difficult is a single line update on his website? He has moderators that can help too.

I am not bad mouthing anyone, so please lay off me. Thanks!

- Z
[Android Apps and Games] cyansmoker:
I really find it hard to disagree with this /\
[Android Apps and Games] bongd:
Precisely!!

I ALWAYS back the developers and am eternally grateful for a market full of fantastic apps. Although it's very easy to pirate them, every single app I have installed has been paid for. AND although I'm poor and suffering from a brutal wedding my wife forced on me (LOL), I always donate extra if I'm impressed with their work.

The thing that really irritates me though is when devs drop off the face of the Earth or seem to abandon their applications. I also don't like when a new version comes out and they charge for it, like in the case of PSX4DROID. **** like this makes me rage and I never support scumbags like that.

That being said, I too would like to know if this launcher will ever be updated. I love everything other than the widgets flickering, redraws and problems with initial latency. I've tried tinkering with the cache compression and size, memory settings, etc. These are some minor but very annoying bugs. If he could patch these up, he'd easily see a donation from me and copious amounts of praise and recommendations.

For every app I've purchased, I've probably got at LEAST 3-5 friends to purchase the app too. I have a few friends that are strong Android enthusiasts as well, and when they really like an app they donate $10 through PayPal right away. Some people don't speak up so it's important for developers to be very up front. Even if it's just to chime in and say "Hey, the project's not dead and work is slow. But I'm still alive". Guys like me appreciate that to death and will sing praises forever. :)
[Android Apps and Games] zzelinka:
Thanks for the backup!

- Z
[Android Apps and Games] sunder74:
I understand your frustration but you have to understand you the "customer " are not buying a typical product. Software development is time consuming and intensive. Do you feel so put out by Microsoft or Apple if they don't keep you updated on every developmental change? When he has made ample progress or has a maintenance release or whatever he always drops us some word. I'm not flaming you I'm just saying this isn't a typical consumer product.
[Android Apps and Games] bongd:
You raise a valid point but on the other hand, professional software applications are usually polished and undergo rigorous testing (at least they should) before a public release.

Not trying to lump developers into segregated groups of amateurs vs professionals, because there are awesome devs out there regardless.. but most have grown accustomed to the engagement that devs have with their customers. At the very least, most of the good ones communicate very well and make sure to keep people posted.

I've had tons of very great email correspondence with many devs. I was surprised at how customer focused and they've been, so I've feel more welcomed to contact devs with feedback. Even if it's bug reports or complaints, most are really receptive and that's what I love about the Android market. :cool:

Not trying to cut anyone's balls off or anything.. but it does sort of piss me off when a dev disappears and their market reviews are filled with puzzled comments asking what the hell happened. At least note that you're away for an extended period of time as a courtesy. ESPECIALLY if people are paying for these apps (free apps, I don't expect much of anything).
[Android Apps and Games] BryanChung:
Totally agree with your point of view.

How hard can making a blog post be?
[Android Apps and Games] gogol:
I am with you ...

I paid LPP just because I want to support the developer. I saw he hard at work polishing LPP and I want to make him successful as well as the success of Android platform.

But, it was back then ...

The thing is, communication with your existing CURRENT CUSTOMERS is one of the most important. Because they are your marketing tool. If they are satisfied, they will spread the word. If not, then you are done.

And this is not that hard, really ... not that hard.

Just spend 1 or 2 minutes to post in the website, telling the progress or story about LPP development. Or share any difficulties, or ideas, or questions ... That will KEEP the product ALIVE.

Do you think it is hard to spend 1 or 2 minutes? Not every day of course!
[Android Apps and Games] penhapus:
I've used both LPP and ADW

frankly, much of muchness. I'm leaning towards ADW after the LPP website disappeared when something went very wrong for a lot of customers and users. If Fede wants to charge again for his new launcher, I've no problem with that - Apps are the price of a pint of beer that you'd drink in 20 minutes and buy another one.

A complete lack of communication or understanding why people are cheesed off is a poor trait for anyone, nevermind a developer.

p.s. if you give out dates; stick to them or have an explanation. That's just polite.
[Android Apps and Games] zzelinka:
I appreciate the support. Don't know what the other guys problem was. Again, I appreciate the support.

- Z
[Android Apps and Games] ipawd1:
....Well... it's almost March 1st...nothing.
[Android Apps and Games] avgjoemomma:
From the LP forums:

Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:06 am

"Ok, here's an update:

Personal life has been taking up a lot of my time lately so I haven't been able to work on LP as much as I would like to.

Yes, I did say there would maybe be an update a week from my last blog entry. I really did want/expect to have an update then. Obviously, I haven't been able to finish that update, that's why it hasn't been released yet. I guess you can now see the reason why I never give out ETAs. That one was an exception and I've learned my lesson not to tip ETAs anymore.

As for the rewrite it's still the same I've said numerous times before. The rewrite is a huge undertaking, way bigger than I initially thought it would be. I'm still working on it and it will be released as soon as it's finished and tested. When that will be, I really can't predict. But rest assured I haven't stopped working on it.

Thank you for your continued support and patience!

Fede"
[Android Apps and Games] BryanChung:
Thanks for the updates.
[Android Apps and Games] ipawd1:
Uninstalled. Back to ADWEX
[Android Apps and Games] zzelinka:
Cool. Any update is a good update...

- Z
[Android Apps and Games] avgjoemomma:
Wow, checked back on the LP forums and one of the mods there is removing negative posts. One of the posts said something similar to mine about Fede's promise to get a development team together using the profits from the paid version and donations. There's no reason to remove posts like that. People paid and donated and had certain expectations. Nobody is expecting Fede to give up his life and sit at a computer all day, but if he had a team he wouldn't have to...
[Android Apps and Games] ipawd1:
The slow decline of an app. Even all of the people in the market have been left in the dark and giving poor reviews.
[Android Apps and Games] KillerCookie:
Then everybody will complain if Fede is selling the next version of LPP for another 5$ to pay the salaries of his team.

For a project like this he may need to give up his job, found some company and get employees to work for him. Maybe that is not what he intends to do?

@complaining people

You bought a product, you got your product. Free updates are nice but they are a concession and nothing more. Get over it or don´t use paid software.
[Android Apps and Games] ipawd1:
Umm.. that's like buying your android device, knowing you are bound to get Software updates, and you dont. Just cause you bought the device, and were TOLD that you would be getting 2.2, or 2.3... you wouldn't feel like you've been duped if you didn't? I understand you're going to defend him to the death.. but fact remains, he climbed too far down the rabbit hole until he couldn't see the light anymore. No personal vendetta against him.. but just like Verizon with the Thunderbolt.. You make a promise, all we have to go on is your word.. When you can't even give that... who's going to support you. Yes.. he got his $5 and ran with it.. [like that developer team who tried to bring sense to the OGDroid...], but him charging again for that rewrite... wont help his cause. At all.
[Android Apps and Games] avgjoemomma:
I'm not defending all the "complainers" but some do have valid points such as wanting Fede to address the existing bugs such as the app drawer refresh issue. Luckily for him it's marked as an "experimental" feature so if it doesn't work, I guess he doesn't have to support it? :confused:

I think many of the existing users would have gladly paid for the newer version but with the communication issues, missed deadlines, and attitude that is presented lately, I don't see that happening now.
[Android Apps and Games] ipawd1:
Whomever typed this basically channeled my thoughts to the letter.
[Android Apps and Games] avgjoemomma:
ipawd1, that dude was spot on
[Android Apps and Games] apesgrapes:
just a bit of (probably unwanted) perspective.

my main homescreen has a widget with a transparent backgrounded pic of a drawing of toad & yoshi by my 6 year old boy. the joy of scrolling back to this with LPP scale transition is the main reason i love my hero at the mo. might be f.all to some. but its why i use LPP & don't give 2 sh!ts about updates.
[Android Apps and Games] zzelinka:
Maybe someone can point Fede to this thread.

- Z
[Android Apps and Games] avgjoemomma:
Have a feeling he wouldn't give a toss ;)
[Android Apps and Games] syrenz:
Pretty sure Fede is fully aware that people feel this way.
[Android Apps and Games] lactardjosh:
You, sir, have your priorities in order. Very nice.
[Android Apps and Games] Foxwolfe:
I'm getting tired of this argument, I understand it well but there is a big difference with typical boxed software and things like mobile apps imo.

It's a very different environment, if I go to best buy and pick up a copy of some virus protection software I expect to go home and install it and have everything work correctly. At the very least a patch available to be downloaded if there are any issues. A good portion of mobile apps are released with what I'm sure is far less testing to get rid of bugs and the like. It's very possible that you can download an app and have it not work in it's current implementation, that sucks. Updates and fixes are kind of a part of how a mobile app environment works (at least this one), I'm sure the frequency with which apps are released on the market would be a lot lower if not.

Yes I paid for the product and not the updates, but I also expect that product to work in every way that it's intended to.

That's my take on things at least, ymmv.
[Android Apps and Games] CallMeAria:
Are people really complaining about this? This guy creates, IMO, the hands down best launcher available and people are mad he couldn't update on time? Lpp has been so far ahead of the rest of the pack in performance/options that everybody else is still playing catchup. So what if you paid for it, I did too, and I'm perfectly happy with it. In all honesty if he never updates it again its still more than worth what it cost to buy! He's stated that he's dealing with issued in his personal life si why not just be happy with what you have until he can go back to dedicating himself or atleast finding tgr time to pass the project along. But in the mean time if he's got a problem at home then I'm sure the last thing on his mind is app developement.
[Android Apps and Games] XlAfbk:
I don't get what people are complaining about. LPP has all the features you'll ever need + some more. Of course you could make it a swiss army knife, but it's supposed to be a launcher, not a knife!

Imho lpp isn't missing anything and if the rewrite makes it even faster that's good, but i can't complain about anything so no need for rushed updates or complaining about the lack of them.
[Android Apps and Games] Dodgylegs:
Well said that man!
[Android Apps and Games] nemuro:
Any developer deserves time off or as many time as he needs to fine tune the updates on his app.

So why the rush? Is it because this is the last year for the whole humanity?
[Android Apps and Games] POWerSUrgeSW3:
Hey I'm all about it. If I can donate once a year for updates or something that's not bad. People expect too much. I mean even Microsoft has to come out with new versions of Windows and people have to pay for it if they want it. Then they get free updates for that version. Same with Apple. And those are established companies. A launcher is a big part of a user interface with their phone, so I can't see paying $2.99 for lifetime updates through all the different OSs Google makes for every different device.

My hat is off to you sir, thank you for a great product. And in my opinion, outstanding support as of yet. Unless you start calling us all retards and blindly cutting at the end user, you have my full support!

~Max
[Android Apps and Games] sfreemanoh:
OK...no, not really. At all. Developers don't HAVE to give you new versions of software for free. Android app devs usually do, because that's just what they do. When a new version of Windows, or Adobe Acrobat, or <name that app> comes out, you have to pay for it. They may release bug or performance fixes, but complete re-writes are almost NEVER free. The fact that he's working on one and hasn't said he'll be charging for it again is good. The fact that you guys are complaining about a lack of communication for what is basically free software is NOT good.

The current version of LP, as far as I'm aware, works just fine. You want a brand new version for free, and you're complaining because it's not coming fast enough to suit you. Get over yourselves. You paid a piddly little amount for a launcher. I've paid more for sandwiches than what LP costs, and if they taste like crap I still eat it, cause guess what? I paid almost nothing for it and I'm not expecting gourmet food.

I understand you wanting some sort of communication from him, but software developers on most platforms don't give out frequent updates until the software is in a public alpha/beta. This isn't his job, it's a hobby, and I'm sure he doesn't make enough from LP to make it his job, so stop treating him like it SHOULD be his job. If you guys want to start paying $10/license (or more, who knows), and pay again for new versions, then maybe you can start complaining. Otherwise, back off the guy.
[Android Apps and Games] avgjoemomma:
Loving the white knights coming out to protect the poor developers from the evil questioners! Glad LP is working well for you guys but as I said before there are some legitimate problems that need addressing in the current version. Is that too hard to understand?:rolleyes:
[Android Apps and Games] ipawd1:
My sentiments as well.

He keeps saying we want a new version. No, we want the calendar to sync properly, we want the Facebook widget to function correctly. We want that "Timeline" and "Gmail" widget ne neglected since October. We want a fix to the redraws. I personally dont care. Fact is, good developers, even if the updates aren't major, they fix the necessary things. Which is what most in this thread neglect. "You paid, you're not owed anything" is a foolish statement.

Dudes need to stand up and stop bending over...
[Android Apps and Games] Foxwolfe:
I understand where you're coming from but to me it's more along the lines of what if the current version has bugs, that hinder functionality, and someone buys the app and then can't use the included features as they are intended.

This is just one example. I agree that people feel too entitled to app updates but sometimes it's necessary just to make things work correctly. I myself have not had any issues I can recall with the latest LPP version but that doesn't mean others aren't having issues.
[Android Apps and Games] Link3737:
It IS missing a few features, and you have to pay for features that you can find for free in other open source launchers (Hint hint, ADW).

Dynamic homescreen editing (How does a launcher in 2011 NOT have this? It's embarrassing), easier icon replacements, tooltips, making hiding apps in the drawer NOT a pain in the ass, actual theme support, etc.

Launcher Pro's decent, but there's a lot of room for improvement. :rolleyes:
[Android Apps and Games] POWerSUrgeSW3:
Sin e everyone seems to be rolling their eyes lately... why not just say... works for some and not others. There will never be one solution to make 100% of the users happy.

Its good to give ideas and suggestions to keep the project moving ahead. Not everything gets added that's on the table, but that's life in general. This thread though is starting to sound a little like ripping on the developer though. Which to me seems counter productive to everyone.

Plus for those who complain about cost... who doesn't want to support developers who are doing this as a hobby? Its not that expensive, pocket change compared to other costs for some software I've seen on the market. My opinion again though.

~Max
[Android Apps and Games] ipawd1:
Not one person in this thread COMPLAINED about a cost. The underlined issue is the fact of lack of communication between business vs. customer. Paying for it isn't an issue. That's Mcdonalds money. It's the follow through.
[Android Apps and Games] syrenz:
This thread is relevant: http://www.launcherpro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6497
[Android Apps and Games] avgjoemomma:
There has to be a point where even the most enthusiastic supporter (or fanboy) sees that their efforts are not really helping the product or the developer. Is it just me?:rolleyes: Developers need to handle constructive criticism...
[Android Apps and Games] TheSkepticalGuy:
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[Android Apps and Games] zzelinka:
I would pay for it over and over again. I recommend it to all my friends and install it on all new Android phones. I support this guy, it's not about the $...

- Z
[Android Apps and Games] kroogar:
I agree but... there is a bug in LPP when u have the dock displaying # of unread mails. If u have a gmail account as you primary account and a google apps account as an additional account LPP wont display # of unread messages of your google apps account. Other launchers will... and I can't wait for Fede to fix that bug - it's been like that for ages.

I totally agree that LPP should not be more bloated. It's (almost) perfect as it is.

I'm pretty sure I will switch back to LPP when that bug i resolved...