yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android SD Development] nygmam:
I think there are also variations between phones that can cause some to have battery issues, and other not to. Throw in apps to the equasion, and noone will have the same battery experience. I Have Chargers at home, work, car, and try to top it up during the day, so I never have to worry about running out. I have a new battery now (Shipped with my replacement phone) and it seems to be lasting very well. (I also now have a spare battery for when I go somewhere with no access to charging). I will say, my experience is that battery life is on par/or better than it is with WinMo. Battery levels can be somewhat misleading, it is all down to how long you can use it during the day.

for those having issues with battery, I still suggest a new data.img and no apps installed for at least a day, (Maybe just current Widget) to see how works without any apps installed. For all we know, and given the experiences posted here, an app may be interfearing with the proximity sensor, or somehting is working after a call. Only with a new blank data.img, and enough time for the ROM to settle, will you be able to determine where the problem is. I know people have been trying other Kernals, but maybe they hendel these bad apps better than warrens, but warrens gives us underclocking, which should help battery life, as well as working BT with controls, that I am not sure are in other Kernals.

So, unless you are using a new data.img, and have no apps installed, we can't do an apples to apples comparison. As stated above, my drain is great, at 23MA right now, but that just jumped from 4MA, so something is probablyy working in the background, more than acceptable, and I made calls today, have the WiFi on, and push on all email accounts. I do turn BT off at work though, as I have no need for it here, but even with it on, it is 6-8MA not 60Ma as posted by others.

I guess, at the end of the day, variations in hardware may be to blame, I know my Wifes replacemnt HD2 (Had a yellow Reset button) would not charge using my induction back, while the red reset buttoned HD2 charges just fine. I am sure there are other varations between AU, EU, and US HD2's and those can't be reconcilled easily.
[HD2 Android SD Development] kdelisle:
I agree with orangekid, et al. who have noted THERE IS NO ONE BATTERY PROBLEM and have tried to say similar. I was trying to lay groundwork for positive fixes for specific issues, assuming people would be responsible about flushing out the obvious ones (sync, screen brightness, etc.)

People who are complaining that it is solely the kernel or build are risking driving our devs away and are rude.

If you ID a helpful fix or see a fixable problem with the actual program, by all means share. But avoid rebroadcasting the same issues and complaining that no one will fix them.

Thanks! Kris
[HD2 Android SD Development] reijkelhof:
I honestly intended only to help you perfect this build for all, copenhagen.

It's an issue that slipped in (for some) sometime just before, or with the 0623 build. All I could do is report it.

I personally already have the fix implemented and have a wonderful experience on your build (with t10 kernel).

174 hours uptime and climbing, no problems found at all (with the functions I use), 5 to 6 ma standby drain, no spikes, no FC's. no problem waking up the phone ever. It just works and I am happy even if I never install another update again.

I would highly recommend trying the t10 kernel to all who have the issue mentioned in above posts and if anyone needs help installing the t10 kernel, PM me.

It's not 5 even minutes work.

Anyway, I will leave it be and never mention it again.

Thank you very much for all your time and efforts.

I am very sorry for causing frustration, copenhagen.
[HD2 Android SD Development] kdelisle:
Are you using the latest build? I believe that Market problems are resolved using the latest 7/9 and beyond builds.

Edit: that was in reply to walidhazem and I see he says he is using the latest. Double check that it is really the latest. If in doubt, reload or load the one Cope just posted.
[HD2 Android SD Development] soapbox23:
since you want wp7, the exe's don't apply. you only need to use those if you're booting android from wm6.5. so like my instructions, just load wp7 then partition your card, etc.

also, you technically could install the wp7 rom over the already installed android rom, but people report problems. that's why i told you to task 29 (erases everything except radio) and yes, you will have to reinstall magldr but it's a cinch.
[HD2 Android SD Development] orangekid:
Not to beat an incredibly dead horse here, but offering up something like "yo yo CopenMoney I noticed if I plug in t10 my ma drops to 5 but when using latest aca I'm at 70+ma (or whatever), FYI"

probably wouldn't be annoying, but I can imagine as a chef if you get like 10 "hey my battery life sucks on this build" posts that don't really help then that's what gets annoying.
[HD2 Android SD Development] walidhazem:
AAAAARRRRGH.......cant get the market to work :confused::confused:........is it only me???
[HD2 Android SD Development] pwhitrow:
Some possibly useful info?

Guys, I firmly believe that the only reason I don't have any battery issues is the way I use my device.

I know Cope and others say not to use a app killer, but I do use Advanced Task Killer, and make sure I use it whenever I lock the phone, prior to doing so, and last thing at night. I have never had a bad experience with it. It's set to agressive kill, but with some exclusions added.

Also, there is an excellent app called Autostarts in the market that I use. It can tell you what apps fire on what events within the phone. Startup, shutdown, camera clicked, call answered, etc, etc. I check it periodically and disable a surprising amount of apps that attach themselves to all sorts of seemingly inocuous events. However, it's a VERY powerful app and should only be used if you fully understand what it does and what apps can be disabled. It can seriously mess up your phone, leaving you with no choice but to fresh install, you have been warned! I know, I've done that on a couple of occasions in the past.

By using a combination of these two, and uninstalling any apps I don't need, I've managed to keep the same data image since early April, with no problems at all.

Just my 2p, but I hope some of you can have the same success.
[HD2 Android SD Development] orangekid:
take a look at my post on this page and the next few posts, you'll see why.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=957652&page=1237
[HD2 Android SD Development] uzi2:
The thing is that if all discussion of battery issues is quashed, we may just miss out on the vital clue which someone will report. Most of the posts today on the issue have been constructive. The ones saying they are bored with battery issue posts are just complaining. People are trying to help...
[HD2 Android SD Development] redjama:
I actually have a battery log im gonna attach to my next post. I leave for work a 4:30 a.m. When i get to work I shut everything off, no wifi, no gps, no data and no sync. When I left work today at 3 pm i was at about 50% life left on battery. Periodically throughout the day turn wifi and data on and msg my wife and some peeps. All was well with the phone until I tried to make a phone call at about 3:35 after that it went down hill. The phone hung on about 67 mA and when i was able to get the phone from wake it was extremely slow. It usualy took about 10 mins after that pone call to get the phone out of wake and all while it being hung on 67mA. This is the first time i have aid anything about this cause im not one to *****. I have chargers at work, home and in the car so its not a big thing and the wake problem isnt a big thing unless i have an important call to make and i have to yank the battery out. As soon as phone boots back up I will post the log dor all to see and maybe we can figure out why this is happening.
[HD2 Android SD Development] TheNT:
You can't solve it... maybe you can but it would be so called "reverse engeneering" of some others kernel and we don't want you to do that.

We have to catch the triger and trust me i'm frustrated too :)

uninstaled and installed allmoust 70% of apps and can't catch it...

Even google sistems aps removed, sync stoped everything and can't catch it...

Sometimes it works perfect but at some moment even in my pocket not using it it stuck at high drain.

And other moment i wake it up hour later with just 2% batterry loss... arghhhh.

We have to try, i believe you have done everything you can... why wouldn't you? Among all, you will be happiest one if we catch "the triger" ;)
[HD2 Android SD Development] redjama:
Here is the log I said i would post. Keep in mind I still have nothing turned on when the phone goes crazy after the call. Hopefully this helps out. Phone call was made around 3:30-3:40 pm
[HD2 Android SD Development] BerMM:
There does seem to be a problem (not experienced by everyone), and it is one of the primary reasons I'm using WM and only toying with Android for the moment.

I completely agree that it is unwise to ignore it, and if the chef has exhausted his methods to fix it (or even reproduce it), then why not allow the community to do what they can to investigate the problem?

My only question is that since it is a sensitive issue, why not move it to a seperate thread where those who want to investigate can do so without bothering anyone else?
[HD2 Android SD Development] geenyous:
Drain, drain, drain... oh yea, t10

I really hate these "yea dev, your the coolest, dont let the issue reporters bother you, we love you sooo much, though we wont donate, and all of them are haters and nothing else, blablabla, I dont contribute sht" posts.

why? I honestly don't get that. I wouldn't run around trying to invent the combustion enginge again, it has been done, it works, now only thing left is to improve it.

I have asked if it is a coder no-go to "copy" the work of others and improve before starting to post that I believe t10 is a good base to build upon. I am under the impression these kernels are open source but I dont know. Since I have not gotten any answer to that question I stick to my above statement.

Read my post: complaining

I have to disagree, ceteris paribus (leave all else the same) swap the kernel, no more issues with drain whatsoever. That tells me that there is something not good in the kernel. If I am the only one following that logic then I apologize, but I seriously doubt it.

We therefore also can't contribute to the solution, unless one of you is able to read kernel code and find the line where the "problem" lies. Again, I might be totally wrong but I really dont see why.

So I suggest to give it a rest, its posted, hopefully acknowledged and that should do it.

But just to be safe: It's kernel related and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.
[HD2 Android SD Development] Nemesis2k9:
@BerMM I am back to windows mobile for the time being, the battery drain is just too much. BTW I am using the same ROM as you only my radio ROM is different and a 16GB SD card.
[HD2 Android SD Development] mosio:
I agree ;)

Tr10 works for me like a charm.

Like we do say in Poland - "You don`t need to break the open door" or sthg like that :D
[HD2 Android SD Development] TheNT:
Geenyous...

Have you tried something else ?

New rom, clean install, cleaning your aps from old data img...

I know what is solution, i have i had used it for long long time but that's not the way to help these two developers.

And i like to improve combustion engine by porting head and make it better... in real life too ;)

Actually my signature is related to smoe engines codes ;)
[HD2 Android SD Development] redjama:
Its a Mitsubishi.....Evo or Galant??
[HD2 Android SD Development] warrenb213:
I'm sick of this swap the kernel bull****.

Swap your kernel, stop swaying users.

I'm doing the best I can, there are multiple areas where our kernel is BETTER than the other offerings, and yes of course there has been ONE f*cking spot where Tytungs plays better for some people, and that's ONLY in battery drain spikes and once again doesn't speak of overall bluetooth stability which OURS OFFERS.

I'm really tired of this ****. Extremely tired of it. Some of ya'll have nothing better to do than bring this up on every release. I'm working essentially 2 full time jobs, college and work, have many friends outside of the internet I must keep up with, a GF that I must spend time with, and a family that needs my attention. I'm sorry I don't have countless hours to hunt down a completely variable BT battery drain issue when you want it.
[HD2 Android SD Development] hensond67:
+ 1 gazzillion to that Warren! You tell em.
[HD2 Android SD Development] redjama:
Anyone wanting the new market here the link. I've been using it all day flawlessly with no problems. It will be automatically updated in a few days to a week but if u don't wanna wait here it is.

http://androidandme.com/2011/07/new...oid-market-heres-how-to-install-it-right-now/
[HD2 Android SD Development] shamez23:
I understand. Completely.

But this isn't about Bluetooth.

Somewhere, something must have happened or changed.

The 60ma drain thing that has come up the last couple of days isn't some newbies that don't know what they are doing. There are a lot of senior members of xda and senior users of this build that experience the same thing.

I really don't like the atmosphere that developed in this thread.

Users that I've never seen attacking other users that have been with this build from its start and helped others countless times.

Users, senior and new, that try to help solve this problem by telling us about their experinces and the things they've tried beeing told to shut up.

Seriously, that is not how things should be.

Yes, there are still the usual posts about: "this or that is not working for me, ppllleeaasseee help"

They are and always will be annyoing and they won't go away.

But if the atmosphere doesn't get better, or maybe even get worse, there won't be anything else left, because all the users that tried to help and have been told to shut up repeatedly, told that they are mistaken, told that everything is OK and the problem is because they don't know what they are doing and talking about, will be gone for good.

I do understand that you, the devs, try to make this build as good as it can get. I understand, that you have a life outside xda. But so do the users.

They are spending their time on this, too. They want to help. Telling them to stop that, telling them to shut up will achieve that. They will stop but they will also go away.

You don't like beeing harassed, you want acknowledgement, so do your users.

Telling them, that you will look into it will shut them up and not drive them away.

Maybe you should do that from time to time instead of keeping quiet and exploding when you can't take the speculations anymore.
[HD2 Android SD Development] ecb5:
I really feel bad for Warren and Copen.

I do understand your frustation.

I understand you guys take it personnally.

We all think you guys work hard, very hard. At the same time we may not even start to comprehend the real amount of work.

We do listen and understand you guys are fedup with this issue.

You stated there is nothing you could do anymore.

I think this critical time is a necessity to go beyond where we are at.

This port is great, maybe the best out there...but not perfect yet.

I feel, and maybe others do feel the same, that you, we, are soo near a great thing that we want to help. Not complain. Report, yes.

The only thing is that help is disorganised. Everyone with the problem should investigate the issue using a proved method and report back (maybe in another thread as suggested before).

I am not attacking you personnaly nor complaining about your tremendous work. I really want to help you, all of us, resolve this matter.

With all due respect,people.

Lets attack this problem in a different way.

Thanks, i really appreciate your work, hard work, ACA team.

Peace
[HD2 Android SD Development] warrenb213:
when this originally came up i told ya'll i'd look into it.

it was the repetition of the SAME behavior from these SAME folks on every release that has increasingly peeved me. if i must look up my first few posts where i said we'd look into it, i will, however it shouldn't be neccessary and would further annoy me as that'd be less time for me to spend than i already have in sorting all kinds of stuff out.

how many times must it be said by the same people that tytung's kernel doesn't have spikes? figure once was good enough personally.

this is partly why i stopped posting in the thread, because i'm tired of the same old debate, one which some of our users will not just simply let simmer.

i'm gonna continue doing the best that i can. if at some point copenhagen wants to break away from the kernel, he can tell me that and all i can do is say ok.
[HD2 Android SD Development] xavierh:
I did and the same issue happens.. I am doing more testing now
[HD2 Android SD Development] xavierh:
I am having the same issue.
[HD2 Android SD Development] Tubgirl:
Wish I'd at least get any kind of comments from the devs about the post I did yesterday. :( Or is discussing the kernel suddenly forbidden??
[HD2 Android SD Development] warrenb213:
should be resolved with the kernels cope and i are testing now.

i tried some values used by a well known dev from a very similar device. seems it was a bit too low perhaps.
[HD2 Android SD Development] dttung80:
Thanks for share. Here the exactly link :

http://www.mediafire.com/?f4b3d6e26xth2r5

Run Ok, beautyful and stranger... but FC in download/update ... Crying. :((

Hope anyone try it and report something more interesting ? :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android SD Development] xavierh:
The market issues have been fixed in 0711. So if everybody is having issues downloading stuff from the market, try the new version. Also keep in mind that this version does not have gmail installed so you will have to download it from the market too.
[HD2 Android SD Development] Tubgirl:
THANK YOU for responding! Have you considered not undervolting AT ALL? I don't think undervolting does very much for battery life and is it really worth risking the stability on peoples devices?

Brgds... /Tubgirl
[HD2 Android SD Development] blackhumor918:
Do you have the link of 29.05.11 for download?

OK, i got it for a try focusing on the battery.
[HD2 Android SD Development] benpaddlejones:
New Market App works a Treat

I downloaded the new Market app from the XDA Blog ran it & it works a treat.

benpaddlejones :)
[HD2 Android SD Development] docent14:
You're right, sometimes I switch in mind with symptomps.

I am on a fresh data.img.

I'll try tonight.
[HD2 Android SD Development] docent14:
Keep dreaming ....
[HD2 Android SD Development] copenhagen:
lol

On December 16, 2010, Square Enix announced that the game had been pushed back to their next fiscal year, which begins April 6, 2011[15].

dammit
[HD2 Android SD Development] copenhagen:
and did you have sucess with this .. cause if so i will re-enable the bkup2sdext for magloader users in the next build
[HD2 Android SD Development] zarathustrax:
I'm still setting up my wp7 partition right now... then I'll partition for android and let you know.
[HD2 Android SD Development] Jooneed:
FSCK*.REC files on root of SD card

Thanks for the latest build. not tried yet, just downloaded it....

one thing i wanted to ask since couple of weeks after trying 2 builds.

Right now i'm still on build 21st Feb. with this build and a previous build, i've been having those FSCK****.REC files created on root of SD card. Any reason for this and how i can stop it?

if anyone can help with this post as well, much appreciated

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11610993&postcount=857

thanks
[HD2 Android SD Development] eelpout:
is GPS working for everyone with the TMOus 022611 build? most of my location apps are crashing. :(

Edit: there appears to be no /system/lib/hw/gps.leo.so file???
[HD2 Android SD Development] AmeriCanAndroid:
pulled the builds.. dammit...

looking into what happened..

there is also no google navigate..

hmmmm

ill fix this.. be right back

yeah okay the gps .so was missing donno why.

ive attached it for users how already have dl'ed am reuploading the build.

if you download after you read this, you dont have to worry its been fixed.

unzip and copy leo so to /system/lib/hw/

still gotta figure out what happened to navigate tho
[HD2 Android SD Development] AmeriCanAndroid:
just delete those files...

ill check into whats goin on
[HD2 Android SD Development] docent14:
+1 on gps

///ffff
[HD2 Android SD Development] alphaandomega:
I did. I have a Fat32 partition, an ext3 partition, a Linux swap partition and a WP7 partition (that is indeed located at the very end of my 16GB microSD card. Everything is functioning perfectly.

I'll skip the latest release then and wait for the next one.
[HD2 Android SD Development] eelpout:
I've noticed that Google Navigation often doesn't "appear" if the location services are hosed. :)

FYI. I was able to use the gps.leo.so file you supplied from a few builds back with success.
[HD2 Android SD Development] AmeriCanAndroid:
okay so then ill just fix and upload.

done and done

thanks fro the headsup... hopefully we caught that one early enough before too manypeople come back ...

gps is not workinggps is not workinggps is not workinggps is not workinggps is not workinggps is not workinggps is not workinggps is not workinggps is not working

bang

you know ;)
[HD2 Android SD Development] B3AmEr:
also fix the auto data (3g) problem ? there are no infos in the whole thread, why data auto activate when turning off wifi.
[HD2 Android SD Development] kyrunter3:
Hey Docent ... could you please test this or any similar app bro ? it does not work for me and i have posted it before once but none seemed to see it o.@ ....or is it only me ?

this build (and all of its older updates ) cannot run this kind of apps ...it keeps losing the connection with the host app ...hmm
[HD2 Android SD Development] nzxtneo:
YES YES,

I have been able to successfully do this and I have posted the instructions several times :D:D:D

I also sent the instructions via PM to AmeriCanAndroid, so y'all can reference it if needed.

Please add bkup2sdext for magloader back into the mix. I beg of you :o
[HD2 Android SD Development] jason370:
Please forgive the rudimentary question as I have just thoroughly read through this thread and the FAQs and am slightly unclear on the matter:

I'd like to update to the newest build from the original and would like to do the least amount possible while maintain all my settings.

Will updating the zimage do this, or must I do more? If this is simply a matter of overwriting a file or two I'd hate to wipe out all my settings and have to start fresh.

Thanks so much...

Jason
[HD2 Android SD Development] shamez23:
What original? What build are you using at the moment?

If you want to be save, save your Android folder and try. If your data is lost, copy back your saved Android folder and use a backup tool.
[HD2 Android SD Development] biosensorben:
Just wondering - there is a gps.goldfish.so - I'm assuming this is as before - delete this file and add the new one for gps to work?

I've also noticed a sensors.goldfish.so as well as a sensors.leo.so - should the goldfish be removed for the leo sensors to work properly?
[HD2 Android SD Development] jason370:
Thats my build..

Ive done what you said already, thanks. Im simply asking what the typical things one needs to do when updating the same build.

Is it just the zimage.file that needs overwriting or are there.more files which need to be overwritten as well?

Thanks again,

Jason