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[Galaxy Tab Accessories] dkelley:
so the palm rejection isn't just automatic on the tab at all times? it has to be supported in specific apps?

that woudl suck if that's true. I figured it was just like that all the time.

either way we need some useful handwriting or other custom writing (jot?) style apps for the tab/android. otherwise a stylus is sort of an inconvenient gimmick, isn't it?
[Galaxy Tab Accessories] Declan79:
is it all the same type of stylus head in the market? from the after market product of stylus? i tried once but it feels of lag of motion, this an eraser head type (flat on the surface)
[Galaxy Tab Accessories] ukuest:
I got the "just mobile AluPen". Rounded eraser head type, but glides very easily. I got it for highlighting in PDFs.

Works quite ok. But not as well as my finger!

When you use it for Swype, the trace on the letters looks okay, but the recognition is way worse than with the finger. And you have to press a bit to get a good trace.

Stopped using it.
[Galaxy Tab Accessories] {Diemex}:
I got targus tablet stylus pen for 11€ including shipping.

It works okay, but its not as useful as I thought, finger is still working better, one has to press to hard and capacititve styluses aren't accurate enough.
[Galaxy Tab Accessories] Rayan McFly:
Fingers are better...
[Galaxy Tab Accessories] sgsI9003:
sure they are, but even used a phone in -10°C?

Finger becomes useless when wet in rain or due to sweat hence we need a stylus as a backup in those extreme conditions.
[Galaxy Tab Accessories] PBL1:
Capacitive screens are rubbish at low temps, question: do styluses work with gloves on or do they need direct contact with the skin as a current path?

P
[Galaxy Tab Accessories] sgsI9003:
If you have capacitive stylus then they work with gloves you don't need direct skin contact.

Pogo stylus pen are the best for this purpose.

http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php
[Galaxy Tab Accessories] PBL1:
Tanks, I just order one from Amazon, I was going to buy an Trent battery pack anyway so I added the pogo to my trolley too:D

Regards

P
[Atrix 4G General] krkeegan:
Many of us saw the abysmal wireless speeds posted in the Engadget review.

I have performed some additional research and I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone. This obviously also affect download speeds as the TCP responses are slowed down.

http://emuneee.com/2011/02/is-att-disabling-hsupa-on-its-4g-devices/

I know everyone has asked 88 Million questions about the encrypted bootloader, and we really won't have an answer until the phone is released.

However, my question is, can the HSUPA limitation be removed such as by flashing a new modem.bin? Perhaps using the modem firmware from the international version?
[Atrix 4G General] davewuvswaffles:
When I read "I believe ATT disables HSUPA (the faster upload connection) on all phones except the iPhone" I thought about it for a second and did a speedtest on my Captivate.

I have full bars in my house, on HSPA.

Upload speeds faster than download speeds? WTF?

Here's Engadget's speedtests on an iPhone 4 on AT&T. (On the right)

Obviously something is a little off.
[Atrix 4G General] krkeegan:
Cool, well I hope it isn't an issue then.

I searched for more reports and it looks like this may have been initially reported because of an error in AT&T's network?? But may have been fixed around August 2010?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=745039

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=572628

Plus there was this whole mess on another forum:

http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/137436-how-enable-hsupa-captivate.html

Based on your results it looks like this may not be an issue and I may just be creating rumors. I guess I should be patient and just wait for the release day.
[Atrix 4G General] justdrew:
They disable hsupa on all phone except the iphone eventhe captivate, you have a non stock fw and probably a tl3 modem flased to your cappy, btw im running darky9.3
[Atrix 4G General] smitty1:
I think this is a an issue.

The speeds are nothing close to 4g, and the tests on the atrix are consistently under 2mbs.

That sucks.
[Atrix 4G General] justdrew:
i get 4 down with my capt and 2 up

busy around 2.5-3
[Atrix 4G General] Bigsam411:
I got to play with an Atrix at a bar a couple weeks ago (friend of mine reps for Motorola), and the download speeds were consistently under 2 megs even though the H+ symbol was active. I hope this gets sorted out on or before march 6th.

Also I do recall seeing a speed test video of the inspire 4g getting speeds over 3 meg down so it could also be an issue of where I am using the phone.
[Atrix 4G General] phoneixx:
On my Aria it's not uncommon for me to hit download speeds at or above 3 Mbs, granted it's been running CyanogenMod since the first day I owned it, so idk if the custom ROM has any effect on AT&T disabling anything...

EDIT:

On another note, when I was checking if my local AT&T store had demo Atricies (:p) today, I asked an sales rep about the speeds and all she said was that the inspire was getting much faster speeds then her iPhone 3GS. After she walked away, I proceeded to turn off wi-fi, download the speedtest.net app and run it. Sure enough it got 1.5 Mbs down though :/
[Atrix 4G General] smitty1:
I think this is a major concern.

There is no evidence what so ever that the Atrix gets anywhere near "4g" speeds.

And I think the whole "but AT$T hasn't finished the build out" is a BS excuse my captivate running a rom gets better download speeds. That is just unacceptable.

I think you can hope in one hand that AT$T will improve the speed on the ATRIX and **** in the other and see which one gets filled up first.

The only way it will get fixed is the same way the captivate is running Froyo, you will have to root it and then flash a faster modem. Hopefully flashing a modem will be possible with locked down bootloader.
[Atrix 4G General] ApplCobbler:
Lol, I would LOVE to get 1.5 mbps down. I'm in the capital of the free world and I hardly get up to 500 kbps on my Craptivate, with a JK4 modem.
[Atrix 4G General] nowise:
Seems difficult to imagine AT&T shooting themselves in the foot with their first "4G" branded phone by limiting the upload.

I am hoping they fix it before launch and maybe that is why there has been just a trickle of reviews on the phone so far.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
AT&T are indeed disabling HSUPA on all their phones expect the iPhone for an unknown reason.

This WILL result in slower upload speeds AND slower download speeds due to how TCP works.

All the above above me saying they are getting fast upload speeds are running none stock at&t firmware with none stock modem firmware.

It was also shown that the "Inspire 4G' has been crippled with having HSUPA disabled and is having slower speeds as well.
[Atrix 4G General] aphexacid:
This is a really big issue for me. I'm on an iPhone 4 and I live in chicago, I get about 5.8 Mbps down and 1.3 Mbps up. That inside my condo. My upload is always consistent around the city, the download can dip to 2 Mbps here and there. But what I'm getting at is I have really excellent speed on my iphone 4 in chicago.

I've seen reviews on the htc inspire and the atrix, and I don't know if it's the part of the country they're in or AT&T is actually limiting, but the upload speed is horrible on these "4g" phones.

I can't live with slow data speed, I just refuse. I have an unlimited plan and pay 30 a month for it. I'm tired of getting dicked around with the evil carriers. They want our money, but they don't want to give us service to match.
[Atrix 4G General] smitty1:
You are not going to get the speed that you are getting with Iphone I agree that it really sucks.

I think the fact is that the reason the atrix does not have lte is that AT$T is behind in their lte roll out.

HSPA+ is bs as far as I'm concerned. The whole thing hinges on the fiber connecting the towers, which is the major thing holding up LTE. You aren't going to see better speeds until the fiber is laid and who knows how that will take for them to do?
[Atrix 4G General] senortighto:
I was just at my local att store to check and see when my upgrade was available so I can get myself an Atrix 4G and I noticed on the new HTC phone they offer, the inspire or something, the radio was indeed not set for the higher speeds. The baseband version on the Nexus One is 32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08 and the "U" denotes the use of the higher speed 3G, whatever that is called, and the phone in the store had the "H" in place which means the slower of the two.

Easily fixed in the build.prop, but kinda interesting to see they artificially limit speeds even in their newest "4G" phones.
[Atrix 4G General] aphexacid:
Wow, thats just ridiculous.

I swear i feel like i'm never going to get an android phone. Finally the Atrix came along, and it was the first phone i thought that i could be happy with thats not an iphone. And now this crap.

i thought release day waiting was going to be tough. Now i'll have to wait even longer to see how this pans out.

UGH!
[Atrix 4G General] mircury:
I was excited about the atrix too but now I'm sitting back and watching also. I'm pretty happy with my flashed captivate at the moment. ATT in my opinion is quite deceptive in their practices. They just hope people will not notice. I am now waiting to get the Galaxy S II international version which supports ATT HSPA+ so I can bypass all the ATT restrictions. I will buy it straight from samsung unlocked. Another good thing is that you most likely will not have to worry about a locked bootloader and since it's international it will have good XDA support hopefully. Just look at the i9000.
[Atrix 4G General] smitty1:
Yeah, I have been torn too about the Atrix. It is without a doubt a sweet phone.

But I find it completely unacceptable that it is slower on download speeds than the iphone 4, that is a crock of ****.

And AT$T is supposedly rolling out LTE in just a few months which is real 4g speed, not the Bs HSPA+ AT$T is selling now.

Why the hell doesn't the Atrix support Lte?

What is going to suck is buying the Atrix and then having AT$T rollout lte in your town, but being stuck on their crappy half ass HSPA+ crap for 2 years. Fact is their HSPA+ marketing is just a cheap ploy since Verizion is beating the **** out of them on LTE rollout.

edited for accuracy,
[Atrix 4G General] Squeak22:
No, it doesn't. The first LTE phone isn't coming out until much later this year.

Every "4G" phone that's coming out untill Q3 is HSPA+ or WiMax. The ones after Q3 will have SOME LTE, but even those aren't going to be faster than the HSPA+ or WiMax phones for another 2 years or so.

For the earlier poster, the test was done in New York, which is overcrowded for frequency and carrier space. I always get like 2-3x what they give in the reviews (I live in Chicago too).

I'm sure you'll have tons of examples of the upload and download speed in a week, but I'm gonna bet it's better than iphone 4 if you aren't in New York.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
I smell a lawsuit here.

You can't sell a phone as "4G" in its title, forcing people to move to "4g" data plans while not only not providing 4G but actually disabling full 3G (i.e. disabling HSUPA).

That is just fraudulent and i honestly don't see how they are going to get away with it this time.

Until now they got away with it on the Captivate and other phones because they didn't commit to anything, but with the Atrix and HTC Inspire 4G they are actually defrauding the customers by disabling HSUPA which disables HSPA+ (4G) as a result.
[Atrix 4G General] modmyphone:
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet... but on the TV advertisements I've seen here in Connecticut for the Attic, it "clearly" states in small print that it doesn't actually operate at 4G speeds.
[Atrix 4G General] modmyphone:
Atrix

Damn auto correct
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
This issue has NOTHING to do with 4G.
[Atrix 4G General] Fixter:
That's because its not 4G, its HSPA+. Wasn't this establish a long time ago?
[Atrix 4G General] Smallsmx3:
I spoke with an att rep and i told them the speeds i was getti.g on my atrix were the same i was getti.g on my captivate. She went on to tell me that 700 kbs- 1700 kbs was considered average for hspa+. I asked why my non hspa+ captivate could achieve the same speeds. She completely ignored that comment and went on to say that i should factory reset my phone to see if it could getfaster speeds. What a joke! I like this phone and ill prob end up keeping it for now but ots a little rediculous.
[Atrix 4G General] mister_al:
You realize the CSR's all read from a book, right? Your question wasn't on her list of questions that have answers.
[Atrix 4G General] Smallsmx3:
I already knew the answers to my questions before i asked them...but i did call and ask about a new sim card because i wasnt given one when i purchased my atrix. I was told that i didnt need one and my old sim was fine.
[Atrix 4G General] MattZ71:
just now on my atrix with "hspa+" and 3 bars of service and on the speed test the best i could get is..

1404/kbs DL

164/kbs UL

so far the most downloaded Mbps is 1.37 and 0.27 upload.

earlier on the way home on i had full service but on edge and i got a outstanding

27 kbs dl

10 kbs ul

i have see in this thread about how much faster the iphones are in dl/ul speed, and i think that ATT put a cap on Atrix because they dont wont there investment in the iphone to be out done and performed. i know the Atrix is way more capible of doing more then ATT is giving us. i believe the 2 processors in the phone are faster then we give them credit for because of limititions. i hope rooting and mods of the Kern will be avaible soon. thats just my .2 cents
[Atrix 4G General] LordGeek:
What interests me the most in regards to the advertisements about the Motorola Atrix4G is the inconsistency in information between all companies websites .. here I attached 4 images .. 1 image is from Motorola's website stating nothing about the phone having HSUPA 5.76 Mbps at all in the specs .. another from Motorola's Media FACT Sheet about the phone, again, NO mention about HSUPA at all .. the next 2 images, 1 from AT&T Premier web for the specs on this phone and also from GSMArena showing the full specs .. yet both these sites, AT&T and GSMArena SHOW the Atrix4G as having HSUPA 5.76 Mbps capabilities !!!

So .. thinking here .. is the actual manufacturer does NOT state HSUPA in there specs for the Atrix4G .. why are people thinking this phone has it ?????
[Atrix 4G General] ujmnz:
I believe the samsung captivate had a similar issue did it not? I don't remember the captivate showing hsupa, i'll need to double check. But we know it was possible.
[Atrix 4G General] smashcz:
I called AT&T today and complained about the upload cap (300k). The guy was acting like it's because I have to switch to 4g plan :) So he did something, had me restart phone and try speedtest and of course nothing changer (still 300k), so he said to stay tuned, we may get update in future. I suggest everyone call ATT and complain about the upload cap.
[Atrix 4G General] AdamRuby:
My Chat Session with an AT&T Premier sales rep

I just had an online chat with an AT&T Premier sales rep. Check out the attached screen shot.
[Atrix 4G General] Jon225:
http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/art.../www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381578,00.asp

Hopefully they fix it soon.
[Atrix 4G General] Redbluefire:
How can the Atrix have LTE? I could have sworn I read that it doesn't even have the right antenna. Another clueless rep maybe?
[Atrix 4G General] Ririal:
It's been long established first-tier reps have no clue what they're talking about. :)
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
I spoke to highest level of escalation at the att presidents office. The att pres. Manager told me they are not capping and said its a software issue. Why would we want the bad press? But I also brought up htc inspire. She really did not have an answer. Said she deals with mostly complaints all day and said she has not had a complaint about the attic yet.
[Atrix 4G General] frankiedizzle87:
theyll say what ever to get off the phone. Im just so damn confused about all this HSUPA Gate going on
[Atrix 4G General] Ririal:
There really isn't much to be confused about. HSUPA (which is a 3G technology, not a part of HSPA+, or AT&T's "4G") is disabled on pretty much every AT&T device that's not an iPhone. While the petition that's floating around is very poorly written, the general anger is about the fact that AT&T has been running people in circles. Depending on who you talk to, you could get any one of about 50 different answers. Some reps claim the phone is LTE ready, some have even said the Atrix doesn't have 4G at all. THAT is really where the issue is. If AT&T was straightforward, and had made it known that HSUPA was not enabled, as well as the fact that their 4G network is FAR from ready (even in areas where it's supposedly launched, I live in Chicago and I don't see anything close to 4G speeds), none of this would be a problem. Basic rundown so far:

-HSUPA is disabled. There's no argument about this, it's a cold hard fact.

-HSPA+ (AT&T's 4G service) isn't really live, even in the areas they claim it is. Inspire 4G users can confirm this as well, so it's not related to the device.

-AT&T won't give a straight answer to anyone.

I'm impressed how far up the chain this is getting (if it has indeed gone that far up and it's not just more hogwash from AT&T). If I left anything out, feel free to chime in.
[Atrix 4G General] Dadgumit:
I apologize if this has been answered definitively but haven't found it.

I realize the upload is capped, but what about download? I put my Atrix next to and iphone4 and seem to get CRUSHED every time. I have created a custom APN, no success.

That being said, I have a friend in the Boston area who claims his atrix is matching another friends iPhone4. Is the Atrix gimped in only some markets?

Again, apologize if this has been answered somewhere, but with all my googling, I only see people saying that it has been answered, not what the answer was.

Hate being that guy, but help?
[Atrix 4G General] TripleMPower:
I am in Hong Kong and I am currently using the Motorola Atrix 4G with SmarTone-Vodafone network.

Here is my speedtest result with Motorola Atrix 4G

http://premium1.uploadit.org/ManojM//Motorola-Atrix-4G-Internet-Speed-Test.JPG

here is my speedtest result with Motorola Droid 2 Global

http://premium1.uploadit.org/ManojM//Motorola-Droid-2-Global-3G-Speed-Test-Office.jpg

Both using the same SmarTone-Vodafone Network.

Shouldn't the Motorola Atrix 4G provide better results?
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
I dont think she was lying when she said it was software related. And she did not want to get off the phone in fact I could not get her off the phone when I realized she had no clue except to relay that they cant cap a phone. They said that the Iphone was capped by apple also. Doesn;t make sense though. ATT prob told them to do it.
[Atrix 4G General] triplew3:
ATT responded to my e-mails with similar answers. Telling me I am not in a 4G area, that LTE begins launching mid-year, and that the ATRIX supports HSUPA. My questions were why was HSUPA disabled, when would it be enabled, and if they could provide a monthly customer service until my 4G phone was at least operating as fast as their 3G phones. Well, they did answer one question...NO customer service credit.

I am done asking ATT questions. I have now sent Motorola an e-mail. Hopefully they will have a better response.
[Atrix 4G General] yodanz:
Hi everyone.

I thought id report my findings from the Telstra Australia 850mhz NextG network

Sony Ericsson X10a

Average Down – 1531 mbit

Average Up – 1140 mbit

Motorola Atrix

Average Down – 1868 mbit

Average Up – 376 mbit

Im a fair distance from the city, and dont have the best coverage, but these results show that the

Upload on the Atrix shows a significant reduction vs the X10a.

Anyways, im not fussed... I'm really liking this phone - significant improvement vs the x10a - but then again thats not hard :)

Im assuming this is a radio/firmware fixable thing ?
[Atrix 4G General] jnelson2000:
Yes, it's disabled in the radio.

The Inspire had the same thing until you flashed a UK radio to enable it.
[Atrix 4G General] DarrellRaines:
Did some research and ran across an article on pulse news reader (Will try and link it later). AT&T claims that the problem isn't that it's been disabled, but that the issue stems from old handshake protocols that have not been updated for HSUPA and that is why we are getting poor speeds in the nonHSUPA markets.

They of course gave no ETA on a software fix.

Just thought I would throw that out there.
[Atrix 4G General] dwd3885:
i got a letter from AT&T when I complained about this and they just said that the Atrix is HSUPA enabled and will receive an update in the future to be compatible with hsupa on the network end. My suggestions is just calm down, the Atrix will have hsupa enabled and fully working soon. If you are sooo concerned about it, just get an iphone.
[Atrix 4G General] triplew3:
My latest email indicates that the Atrix IS LTE compatible which is great news if correct.

The Email from ATT stated:

"To clarify, your current device already utilizes HSUPA connection capabilities in conjunction with LTE as part of our 4G network."

Of course the first part of the email is not correct but hopefully it will be soon...and hopefully later it will be LTE enabled.
[Atrix 4G General] phillycreamboy:
Wow my original post has grown quite long.

I heard from one of my sources that the first update will not enable HSUPA but that the second update has it baked in. Just want to prepare those of you who are waiting for this crippled phone to be fixed.
[Atrix 4G General] delta530:
Anybody in the nyc area, particularly around uptown, getting ridiculously slow speeds? I normally get around 1.5-3.5 know but today I can't even break 1mbps.

Edit: nevermind I think something is wrong with the Speedtest app. It's saying in only getting 2.5 on my 10mbps wifi network. Tested again on the FCC Speedtest app and now I'm getting 1.8 which seems to be on the more normal side.
[Atrix 4G General] Redbluefire:
Can you post a scan of the letter? Personal information hidden, of course.

Lots of good news coming up in this thread! Though I'm still really confused if the Atrix is "True" LTE capable, or if they're just calling some part of their network "LTE".
[Atrix 4G General] lindsaytheflint:
2380 & 382 from Melbourne CBD on Telstra NextG for me.
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
Was getting a high of 3 in times square
[Atrix 4G General] tonyrvd:
ATT says replace phone

I live in brooklyn and just got my atrix a few days ago. I've been running speed tests and the results have been aweful. I never broke 2.2 mbps down. my typical results are closer to 1 mbps and sometimes i even get 700 kbps or less. I'm in a good coverage area as 3g devices on att around me were getting better speeds at 3g, around 2-4 mbps.

I called ATT and after they confirmed my towers were good and i had the right sim they suggest I replace the phone and try a speed test on a new atrix. my atrix runs perfect and i'm skeptical that it happens to be flawed in this one area.

I did notice at the att store that during intial setup the atrix couldnt pick up data to set up motoblur, we had to keep pressing back and and next for it to pick up the data signal and even then it was "e", after doing a hard reset it finally switched to H+ after a few back and forth clicks on the motoblur screen. did anybody else get that.

Does it make sense to replace the phone, I'm well within my 30 days but i feel like thats not the issue and they're just looking for an excuse.
[Atrix 4G General] triplew3:
3367 / 326 in McKinney, TX
[Atrix 4G General] hiltun:
Can you try the same test again but with speakeasy.net and see what the results are?
[Atrix 4G General] mawells787:
@hiltun

when i use the speakeasy.net speedtest i get much higher speeds and more consistent, usually around 4-5mbps dl and exactly 300kbps uploads. with the speedtest.net app i only get around 2mbps downloads
[Atrix 4G General] hiltun:
Wow. I get the same exact results too.