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[Windows Phone 7 General] sandravale:
I have been a long term Windows phone user (version 5, 6.1 and 6.5). Unfortunately my current MDA Vario has developed a speaker problem and I'm forced to get a new phone (T Mobile have previously 'fixed' the problem which has now returned)

What you tend to forget is that you shouldn't buy an operating system - you purchese functionality. The key thing is whether the phone can satisfy all your requirements.

As for me, Windows 7 doesn't currently satisfy 3 key requirements:

1. No internet tethering out of the box (you have to really delve down to make this work)

2. No turn by turn navigation

4. No decent ebook reader which can read either lit or mobi format (although the Kindle application has been issued, there is no easy way to load my old books which I haven't purchased from Amazon). All in all I'm very disappointed that MS Reader has not been upgraded

As a mainly business user, I'm not really too interested in Zune or Games and am a bit unhappy about syncronisation via the cloud. As a haooy Napster user (supported in 6.5), I would have to swop to Zune

So what have I decided. I have gone ahead and purchased a used HTC Diamon Pro 2 running 6.5. This will do everything I want and I will wait until Windows 7 finally catches up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
1. While I understand what you're saying it really doesn't ring true with me. If you own a Samsung you can enable tethering in 15 or so taps (including entering all the numbers).

2. Really? I have turn-by-turn on my Omnia7. Works great too. AT&T also seem to be offering some sort of navigational package, as does several other carriers around the world.

I can't comment on the ebook reader situation as I find the phone too small to read large chunks of text on anyway, but your point seems valid enough.

Really? What's your problem with the cloud exactly? Not being confrontational here, just wondering what, if any, gripes you have about using a secure always available filestore. I can understand some people not wanting to store their confidential documents on a random SkyDrive, but as a business you can run a locked down Sharepoint server locally.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Red Grenadine:
I moved from a 32gb iPhone 4 to a Samsung Focus on the basis of the strength of the Zune platform. There have been drawbacks to moving over to such a new platform (marketplace bug being one main one, lack of apps being another) but also benefits such as the close facebook integration, UI, live tiles and above all, the zune integration.

I've had no sense that the zune player quality is worse (nor better) than the iphone. The desktop client and zunepass blow iTunes away. There really is no comparison.

I would play around with current phones, but as someone above said, you may want to wait and see if they announce any Nokia phones in the April timeframe (MIX 11). Although I guess the resale value of the iP4 will decline after the iP4s/5 gets released this summer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
A) No, my headphones are good quality. The PSP (generation ONE), and Samsung Omnia 2 blow it out of the water. They sound EQ'd, with presence and body. My Quantum just sounds flat.

B) After reading your post, you sound like a hater. So OP, please disregard his comments. Wp7 is not "bug ridden", it works just fine. Not sure why you insist on claiming getting a wp7 is "taking a chance". I think that description would be more apt to an Android phone, as the fragmentation has assured no one can tell which device will actually be good. As for wp7, there are hardware minimums across the board, and the software is smoother than silk. Haters gonna hate I suppose.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No. You shouldn't, especially if you already have a Zune.

That's just my opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ErikWithNoC:
I had almost the same exact decision to make a few weeks ago. I was going to upgrade and it was either the iPhone 4 or the Samsung Focus. I went with the Samsung Focus because I already have an iPad, but it truly is a great device. Theres some bug's with it, but I'm counting on Microsoft to fix them.

Things I like:

1. Camera button

2. Interface (duh)

3. Facebook integration (I like being able to add a contact and have it automatically pull in all that users information for me)

4. Nice keyboard (like it better than the iPhones, but it still has its gripes)

5. Zune Software instead of iTunes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6. Bigger screen (Focus has a 4 inch screen and it is a big difference from the iPhone's small 3.5 inch screen)

7. Bing voice search (this is something I show all my friends. I can just say "hamburger" and it finds all the local hamburger joints around me wicked fast)

8. Flash support is coming (http://wmpoweruser.com/flash-10-2-incoming-but-no-wp7-date-announced/)

Things I don't like:

1. Marketplace is very slow, laggy, and unstable

2. Battery life isn't quite as good as the iPhone 4

3. Camera settings reset (this is not a feature Microsoft...)

4. Not as good browser (no html 5, different format that isn't quite as mobile friendly, no reordering of bookmarks).

5. Apps need PERMISSION to run under the lockscreen. If they don't even have this option they must be relaunched after you unlock your screen (why?!?!?!)

6. Less API support

7. No multitasking (will be coming this year though)

All in all make the jump as you have a 30 day period to return it (I'm still debating). If you keep it and you end up not liking it after awhile you will be just in time to upgrade to the iPhone 6 when it comes out in 2013 (possible benefit?)!
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
I've never used a Zune so I can't comment, but see my other post about comparing it to other devices. My wife has an iPhone, but I've never tested them side by side (that would include hooking each one up to itunes/zune and transferring the same song, etc... I'm just way too lazy for that, sorry, at least I'm being honest)
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
See, there it is. I've been surfing on my phone since I got it... never had a problem rendering any site. Unless you're going to some flash-laden bloatfest, I don't understand how you can't think that this IE is fantastic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
1. That's one phone on one carrier. That doesn't work. If you have T-Mobile the Samsung hack will not work. It's an outliar, and non-factor in the grand scheme of things.

2. No one in their right mind pays for Turn by Turn on a smartphone unless they need offline maps. Why pay $10 a month for Navigation when an HD2 can do it for free in Windows Mobile with the Bing App? Or an Android phone with Google Maps? $10 a month is a lot to pay just for Navigation.

The only carrier that makes sense for is Sprint, since they give away their Navigation features for free if you have their $69 (soon 79) plan. But Sprint currently has no WP7 devices.

That's your opinion, but you have pinch to zoom and automatic text restructuring in these apps that make it trivial to read. This wouldn't be a big issue if Microsoft had decent Skydrive integration in the phone. In that case you'd just need to upload them to you skydrive and find an app that can read that file format. But that isn't coming for over 6 months...

Some people just like to have better control over their stuff. There's nothing wrong with it and he doesn't have to have a problem to have this specific qualm with any smartphone platform. They are all a bit too cloud-centric, IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
There are HTML5 Mobile websites that are much better to use than their desktop (or WAP) counterparts on a smartphone browser.

touch.facebook.com >>> facebook.com or m.facebook.com on a mobile browser - by far. That is just one example. There are dozens if not more. HTML5 support being missing is a strike. NOt saying they need to implement the entire HTML5 Draft Spec tomorrow, but launching with basically no support for it was not a good idea, IMO.

With Multi-Tasking and third party browsers this would not be an issue, though, since we'd probably have Opera or some other Mobile Browser (probably WebKit) ported to it. If Microsoft had implemented a dual (Trident + WebKit) rendering engine, that would have been a killer feature... With the ability to set defaults on a site by site basis, of course.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
1. I disagree as it's not only achievable on the Samsung handsets (of which there are actually 2 available), the LG ones are just as easy. HTC handsets can also tether but IIRC, yes, you do have to dwelwe a little deeper. Point is, out of the 9 launch handsets, 4 can tether by entering a few numbers onto the phone - so do what people did way back when, chose a device based on functionality rather than looks. Also, as a business user, get yourself an off contract device - it costs the same (or in many cases less) in the long run, but gives you more choice. Also, don't forget the world is a lot larger than the US, the Omnia7 can be had on pretty much any network you like in Europe - on-contract if you so please.

2. I don't pay. Navigon came free with my off-contract Omnia7. Sure, I had to spoof the Navigon http server for map downloads other than Austria, Germany, Liechtenstein and Switzerland, but there is no monthly fee. I realize some of the other carriers do charge you (ATT being one), but the point here is that there are options available to you. Regarding paying for navigation, as much as I love Bing (or even Google) maps due to its satellite imagery it's not, IMO, a replacement for a dedicated navigational tool ... yet, and looking at the sales statistics for these apps on the iPhone, most people seem to agree with me.

I'm not condoning the fact Bing did not have turn-by-turn out of the box, far from it, but to broadly say "No turn-by-turn" available and use that as one of three reasons for dropping the OS is just wrong.

Of course it's my opinion. Pinch to zoom or text reflow makes no difference to me, I still don't like reading books on a 4" display. That's what tablets are for IMO. Like I said though, I wasn't really commenting on it and agreed that his point was valid.

Better control? How can you have better control than a correctly configured and secured Sharepoint server hosted by yourself? Sure, you could live in the old days and manually copy files on and off your phone, forever wondering if that really was the final version or the second to last draft or whether your colleague had amended it between your last sync and the presentation, but really. Are you serious?

Using your phone as a mass storage device was never a good idea - it was a stop-gap measure because at the time it was invented/popular we didn't have S3 or properly configured corporate networks that allowed users access on-the-go.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ErikWithNoC:
I'm not saying its a bad browser, it is in fact very good, but not quite as polished as iOS's Safari browser. I like to organize my bookmarks from most used -> least used, but WP7 only organizes them alphabetically. iOS use's WebKit for its browser which is more supported than IE's rendering engine (what is it?). If you go to gmail for example you will get a hampered down dump phone mobile view (this is simply for example, other sites do this as well).
[Windows Phone 7 General] radeon_x:
Yeah, ironically IE renders mobile sites way worse than Android or iPhone. The websites are partly to blame because of course they have had lots of time to optimize for those platforms. I don't mind the rendering of full sites... sometimes the font sizes are way off, but overall not bad and at least it's quick.

All in all the browsing experience is not as good as the other mobile platforms. I've got high hopes that IE9 fixes that.

Sent from my GT-I9000M
[Windows Phone 7 General] mcorrie1121:
I suggest you try the Focus, unless you must have a hardware keyboard. It's generally considered one of the, if not the, best WP7 phone.

The biggest plus is expandable memory, which is nice with Zune.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
I second getting the focus. Its built pretty solid, although the back IS plastic (but strong), and I use a gel case anyways. The screen is much more vibrant than the HTC Surround, and I don't care for keyboard sliders (or even the surround's speaker slider).

Add the fact that you can expand the storage, and easily add usb tethering to the focus (htc's wp7 phones are harder to do this to), and you got a winner that will hold you over till the next gen's come around.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
By keeping it on a TrueCrypt volume on your computer or an encrypted thumb drive.

Maybe you're ignorant of these things, but not everyone is.

Good luck trying to crack truecrypt, by the way.

The only thing that's an issue is data loss (disks failing, etc.), but it's not hard to back of a truecrypt volume to the web.

Windows Live has a history of accounts being hacked and things like that. People don't trust it, and given that history Microsoft shouldn't just expect people to want to throw all their stuff on there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
As per usual you are completely missing the point - what does Windows Live have to do with a corporate Sharepoint server? That's right - nothing.

I'm not saying put your stuff on WL, because there isn't even SkyDrive integration in the OS today. There is however Sharepoint support, and it works wonders. As a business you more than likely have access to Sharepoint - use it.

As for WL being hacked, show me where this has happened, other than thru social engineering - not saying it hasn't happened (it has - by use of wifi spoofing), but it's far from widespread which by definition means it does not have a "history of accounts being hacked".

If you are a business user - which the person whom I initially replied to said he was - I expect that to mean he wants business like functionality. Saving documents to a USB drive (be that your phone or a memory card or whatever) is not the way things are done today - I already pointed out why. If you are going to continue down this path I'd like you to address those points rather than trolling on. If not, welcome to my ignore list.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pillsburydoughman:
Music - zune will automatically detect songs you buy from itunes, no issues there

Navigation - I'm sorry but you're **** outta luck on that one. It's virtually non existent

Email - email is awesome, it's one of the few things I absolutely love about the phone. Configuration is very easy it detects everything automatically, synchs with my google calendar, big big props here.

Browser - The browser is fast. It doesn't do flash but neither does the iphone. It won't be something you will complain about trust me (unlike the blackberry)

Phone - I've used the LG optimus 7 and Samsung Focus. The Samsung Focus wins hands down. Go with the Focus if you can, frankly I would stay away from LG. I had too many problems with their phone (rebooting, voice cutting out etc).
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I'd advise you wait until the next round of devices show up. You have a relatively new and capable phone right now so you shouldn't be in much of a rush.

A couple of reasons..

1. You use Pandora a lot. Pandora doesn't exist yet and there is not currently support for music streaming in the background (unless you use Zune Pass). This is coming in the second half of 2011

2. For someone into music, it will be hard to go from 32 GB to 8GB (Samsung Focus, which is the best of the current phones IMO)

3. No turn-by-turn navigation yet. Even if there are apps, they don't run in the background which makes them a little useless.

I expect the platform to be ready for prime time when the Mango update hits later this year. For now, if you're going from iPhone 4 to WP7 you better be prepared to give up a lot.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mcorrie1121:
I believe turn-by-turn is coming in the NoDo update in a few weeks, so that's not too far off.

Also, even though the Focus supports up to 32GB SD cards, the biggest acceptable ones are 16. 32 are very hit or miss. With OS and app storage, conservatively that will leave you with about 20 GB free.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
No its not. The only announced features are copy/paste and faster application loading. There has been no official mention of turn-by-turn. Besides, if it was in there we would know because it would be part of the emulator.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Sorry but you make things up a bit.

WP7 has no tethering and no Maps. It has NO turn-by-turn nav. You use hacked device, it doesn't count here.

In most countries Bing is just a skeleton really.

So don't try to pretend those features are normal on WP7. They are not.

And please don't construct those funny theories regarding how great is the cloud and how bad is usb/wifi sync. Pathetic.

Cloud is a really great thing and I use it often. It's sweet - in your home country.

Once you travel abroad the whole lack of local sync becomes a misery because internet roaming is a massacre looking at it's costs.

We should have both things.

I say - take WP7 because it's great and promising, but only if you can live with it's current, VERY SERIOUS limitations. If not, don't take it. You will be frustrated in 10 minutes (that was to original thread creator).
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Enable tethering from the diagnostics menu and it works just fine.

As for Navigon, it works out of the box using my wife's Omnia7 which is neither developer unlocked nor hacked in any way, shape or form. Everyone who purchases a TMODE branded device will have a fully working Navigon app more or less out of the box - so yes, it is a normal feature.

As a business user I could care less about roaming charges, as could most other business users. Also - have you heard of WiFi? Even the hotels in Kampala has it for free.

Having both would be alright with me, although IP security would go completely out the window.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yeah? So where is this Navigon for download for WP7??

Please give me the link so I can use it ASAP!

Diagnostic menu - ARE YOU KIDDING?

It has nothing to do with normal device's usage.

And if you piss on roaming costs... Nice for you but I'm more convinced you make things up. Really. You project your own situation for others what is BS.

Actually I don't know anybody who is willing to pay 1000Euro for roaming internet for a week or two of browsing.

And for WiFi - you know, you're rude without a reson. Right now I'm in Western Germany and in my place is KEINE WIFI. So to put a document to my device I have to travel around the city to find a Hotspot to do it. Hahaha.

You're not objective and absolutely distract the real picture here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] VelJharig:
I think this discrepancy is due to the LG hardware, not Zune. I had an LG Quantum for a couple of weeks to evaluate it for work. Very mediocre sound quality on both wired headphones and bluetooth audio.

I currently own a Samsung Focus. The sound quality is much better (especially with bluetooth audio), and it's almost not comparable to the Quantum. I was going to skip WP7 if the only sound quality was what I could get from the Quantum. The Focus sounds a bit flat through the wired headphone port, but the bluetooth audio, with both an 8-speaker car stereo, or a Jabra BT3030 and a pair of Sleek Audio SA6's, sounds excellent. It's actually the best bluetooth audio sound that I've gotten on a mobile device yet, with a good natural default EQ that gives depth and liveliness to the sound. An adjustable EQ would be nice, but I'm quite happy without it, and the sound from my Focus is better than any tweaks I was able to get with EQ adjustments on my previous WM devices.

Hope that helps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Like I said, ALL TMODE devices has Navigon. It's exclusive to those handsets for the time being. Navigon is still working on an updated version which will be available in the marketplace. In the meantime, either buy yourself a TMODE device or use your google-fu skills and find a different solution.

Oh STFU. You set it up once and it tethers just fine. No fiddling around.

I already said, as a BUSINESS user, roaming charges are not a concern. All my statements have been IN REPLY to a post where it CLEARLY stated he was mainly a BUSINESS user.

As a consumer, you are quite obviously going to take data roaming into consideration - but, as a consumer, what kind of document could you possibly have that you abso-friggin-lutely MUST have access to right this ****ing second? If it's such a big ****ing deal for you why don't you USE A ****ING USB stick? They're just about free and works in pretty much any computer you can find.

Again - as a business user you would be staying in a hotel. Hotels have free (or cheap) wifi. You have no case here. Also, if for some reason you were not staying in a hotel but rather decided to camp out in the back of your car - park outside a friggin McDonalds or Starbucks (both of which last I checked, late last year, offered free wifi - McD only for an hour though).

Or, if you're actually in a city, log onto any "free" SSID you find and purchase some bandwidth. There is WiFi everywhere these days - you may have to pay a few Euros, but if you really needed that file it would obviously be worth it.

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of your derogatory posts, so please stop replying to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
Interesting take. I really hope that's not it, as I would now have a ****ty device for music :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
And I'm absolutely having enough of your proud BS here.

WP7 is a consumer device, not only for such "business" guys like you.

And as a consumer device, with it's real advantages, has serious shortcomings.

Very serious. Your answers just prove it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
A consumer will not have a corporate sharepoint service, and most won't even buy hosted sharepoint services (which are expensive) for that purpose.

For business users Windows Phone 7 has more factorably showstoppers than Sharepoint stuff...

I'm not missing the point, I think you're just trying to make Microsoft obviously consumer-targetted OS look great from a business perspective when a business user could save themselves the headache and get a Blackberry or iPhone instead.

I know ^ that ^ may sound a bit dubious, but part of helping each other means helping people make the best, most sound decisions. WP7 will not be ready for serious business use for at least another year. By serious business use, I mean not having to check off a long list of things you are willing to wait several months to a year+ for, and demanding you corporate IT department relax their requirements so that you can get your phone on the network (there are tons of policies that, if not supported, Exchange/Sharepoint will not allow your phone to connect).

It's business oriented shortcoming go beyond Sharepoint. Sharepoint isn't even that big of a consideration. Windows Mobile 6.5.x has Office Mobile 2010 and Sharepoint workspace too... Nothing to rave about. The only difference between an HD2 and HD7 is the OS on the phone and the build quality/materials used (better on the HD2).

Businesses do not pay for Sharepoint servers/hosting so people can put their personal files on it. That's a terrible recommendation, IMO, and likely to get some people in trouble.

Lastly, businesses who have lots of sharepoint accounts in their deployments tend to have relatively low storate quotas, which makes this an even worse decision. I'm talking 100-200MB low.