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[HTC Inspire 4G] meatrocket:
This should be noted

Regardless of my outcome with AT&T tomorrow, this is VERY important:

"I forgot to mention that between Sunday and Tuesday morning, my Inspire used over 500MB on AT&T's network with all the Google & HTCSense.com syncronization! This is in ADDITION to the data I transferred over my 802.11n network at home! They have geared these devices to absolutely SUCK data down their pipes with their bloatware."

Even if AT&T "allows" me "unlimited" access to their network, there are obviously programs that use their network regardless of our connection to Wi-Fi networks. Therefore, a user that isn't grandfathered into an unlimited data plan will unwittingly use data on their network even if connected via Wi-Fi. If AT&T is FORCING certain programs to use thier data network, even when connected via Wi-Fi, then it needs to be clear which programs are doing so and give the end user the ability to disable those programs. If they do not, they are guilty of a "bait and switch" scheme that is clearly outlawed by current legislation.
[HTC Inspire 4G] chocodough:
Well being as I work for AT&T also, I have to say for a store manager you are not fully up to speed with all this.

Yes you need to have the SOC code for the PDA data plan switched to a 4g code, and yes you can keep unlimited. But you do NOT need a 4g sim card. Those new sims we got in with the new sku are only needed for LTE devices. All the non LTE 4G phones just need a regular 3G sim. The only thing different is the 4G SOC code for the Data plan.

Being as you are ripping the CS rep for mis information, you need to look in the mirror dude cause you're doing the same thing.
[HTC Inspire 4G] waltah!:
You would be correct.
[HTC Inspire 4G] davwman:
I say root, unlock, flash custom Rom which is already possible and stick it to att! I seriously can't complain because ATT has always been good to me, been with them since late 2004.
[HTC Inspire 4G] sheanzyy:
I had a Google Nexus One and used my upgrade for the Inspire. The ATT employee used my SIM card and just inserted my SIM into the inspire and I was able to keep my old iPhone Unlimited plan with no issue at all.
[HTC Inspire 4G] iPrevailed YDG:
i upgraded my phone myself at my job. i made sure i had unlimited.
[HTC Inspire 4G] LoganPhyve:
I've had unlimited data for 5 years now. I was able to keep mine with the upgrade to the inspire, but it required a long, long phone call to AT&T CS to keep it. The sales guy couldn't get their PC to let me keep unlimited without making special provisions w/ CS for some reason. Got to keep it, though.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mikejames07:
I purchased mine from Best Buy and the CS reps called At&t and took care if every thing for me. I am also using the same sin from my Captivate. They also were doing the same for the guy next to me.
[HTC Inspire 4G] chocodough:
Well I hate to say, but most CS reps at AT&T are clueless. Not all, there are some that know their stuff, but most are not very good.

Basically here is how it works if you already have the unlimited plan.

When we go to change from say a BB to an iPhone, or iPhone to PDA, or 4G PDA....etc....we go in and remove the current data plan, and just select the other one we need to put on there. If you already have say unlimited data on an iPhone, being as it's already on there, when we go to put on the 4G unlimited, it will list it and we select it no problem. If you don't already have unlimited it will not be a choice for us to select.

It's as simple as that. It's not rocket science. I am really sorry there are people who are dealing with reps who have no idea what they are doing. It's a pretty simple process to get things switched over.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mgarciamma:
Thanks for correcting me..... but try using that 3g sim card when lte rolls around. I retract my previous statement about "needing" a 4g sim card but any att store will put one in for free. And it sounds like someone is a cs Rep?

And far as looking in the mirror... I do it every morning with a big smile! Knowing that att has paid for my house, my two vehicles, and all other necessities, I'm obviously doing something right.
[HTC Inspire 4G] chocodough:
Hehe sorry, I come across too strong sometimes.

No I am not a CS rep. I work in a COR store as well.
[HTC Inspire 4G] nismopunch:
my unlimited data plan was removed as well. even after i specifically asked if i was able to keep it, and if not i would not upgrade. ended up spending time on the phone with customer service...and they said they had to put in a case to reinstate the unlimited data plan. i was quoted 9 days before a resolution...wtf???
[HTC Inspire 4G] tetsuo44:
man, i must have gotten one of the lucky guys in a corp store that really knew his stuff. he had made the captivate->inspire jump as well and fully understood why i was doing it. i kept my same sim that i've had since my iphone 3g and kept the same unlimited data plan. he actually told me that he recommended i keep it rather than switching to the 2gb plan because once i switch from it, there is no going back. he had my inspire up and running in no time at all and i still have my unlimited iphone account grandfathered in.
[HTC Inspire 4G] nismopunch:
im gonna cry lol. i went to a corp store to for that very reason, the guy seemed like he knew what he was doing. i asked about the unlimited and the usual "yeah sure noooo problem", but i had bad luck with this too when i got my captivate. any of the ATT people here know about this special case they have to file to get back the unlimited plan? i am going to try to go back to the store today, but i think they are just going to do the same as the phone customer service people...
[HTC Inspire 4G] mgarciamma:
Its cool bro! I'm sorry too. Lol I work my ass off each and every day to give att a good name and to makes my customers as happy as possible. Being a sales Rep you understand my frustration with cs. We are an authorized reatailer so I don't get all the easy tools like you guys get so I have to deal with cs alot.

If you look at a few of these post people are losing their unl plans and it pisses me off!

As far as my inspire .. I love it. I own a backflip, aria, bravo and a captivate as well. It's a tie between my captivate and inspire. Can't wait for all the roms to start being developed!
[HTC Inspire 4G] JaysFreaky:
So any sure fire way of making sure you keep your unlimited when getting the inspire? I'm planning on buying off-contract.
[HTC Inspire 4G] uhmump95:
I picked up my wife's Inspire from Sam's. The rep there new his stuff, but he forgot that my wife had a 3GS and I had to go back and get a new sim card from him and my wife was able to keep her unlimited data plan no problem. I even went out on the ATT and site and confirmed it was still on her line.
[HTC Inspire 4G] nismopunch:
just noticed i am not receiving texts but it appears to send them without error..other person doesnt get them either. sigh...the associate who setup my upgrade really did a number on me..
[HTC Inspire 4G] yellowdragon:
Early in the month I tried to upgrade my Nexus One to a Captivate thru RatShack but it was a no go supposedly because my ancient data plan was not supported (Unlimited internet AND 200 SMS messages for $35). Of course they tried to sell me the 'cheaper' 2GB until I showed the salesguy my 3G Watchdog counter already at 1.5GB...

Last night went to Costco, talked to a saleslady and she did the upgrade for me in 30 minutes, no problem! Of course I got the Inspire for half the price of the Captivate. :-D
[HTC Inspire 4G] RacerX10:
We are on a business plan with 5 phones. My wife's phone doesn't have DATA on the line at all.

I buy my phone upgrades on her line, then just use the SIM from my phone (that has $10 unlimited data) in the phone I bought on her upgrade so my data plan doesn't get touched.

Any reason that won't work this time too ?

I prefer to do my phone ordering on the business call in line, because (obviously) the in-store people never have any idea wtf they are doing.
[HTC Inspire 4G] r34p3rex:
Won't work.

1) You need to be provisioned with the "4G" data plan which only applies to the $15/$25 200mb/2GB data plans in order to access data

2) The next time they perform an IMEI sweep, they will detect the Inspire and automatically bump you up to the $15/200MB plan
[HTC Inspire 4G] RacerX10:
Why do I need to be provisioned with the "4G" data plan ?

I hear about this issue every time a new phone comes out, and this "IMEI Sweep" never happens.
[HTC Inspire 4G] r34p3rex:
It's a new thing they implemented. The people that got their Inspires early (before the 4G plans were active), could not get data service at all.
[HTC Inspire 4G] RacerX10:
I'm skeptical, but I won't be doing anything for a few weeks anyway so I'll just wait and see how it all shakes out.

Thanks !
[HTC Inspire 4G] shogunmark:
im getting lots of pushback as well.. the imei on my account is from my Aria, but was using a dell streak.. Here is the reply i got from customer service!
[HTC Inspire 4G] shawn1224:
Which Sam's did you go to?

I stay in Stafford and got mine a day early from the Sam's @ Hwy 59s near the Fountains. The only reason I got it early was because he didn't know his stuff LOL. He wasn't aware that the phone was supposed to be released Sunday. He did my upgrade, got me a new sim card and when he tried to scan the phone, the SKU number wouldn't come up so he had to call up his manager to override it. I think he also received a nice ass chewing but hey, I got my phone early LOL.
[HTC Inspire 4G] darkbluexplorer:
yep bought my phone at ATT rep there said i was on the 4G Unlimited, then later that day i called ATT and confirmed it she said everything was fine on my 4G Unlimited plan *shrugs* probly a bad rep just play nice and you can get what you want. :)

UPDATE: just checked my account on http://www.att.com/ and it says unlimited. only 75 MB used since monday, also which i think is a tad on the low side but then again i turn on wifi when i get home and turn off the data network.
[HTC Inspire 4G] shadow65781:
I upgraded my son to inspire, made a point to ask rep about my grandfathered unlimited data. Sure no problem he made no changes to my account.

I turn the phone on and no data, so I called 611 here is what the lady said. Oh I see youve cancelled your unlimited data, Im sorry but I can no longer offer you that but I can blablabla.

At that point I beggan speaking like a sailor too long at sea.

She set up some bs claim I will be notified in 2 weeks of whatever.

I drove back to the store the sales rep that sold me the phone was there and really tried his damndest to help me but in the end my son has been placed on the 2gb plan until its resolved rep asuured me of no overage charges if he goes over.

I am so pissed,if its not fixed, I told them I would and I will cancell all service, about $200 a month and switch to t mobile, and I will do it.

I cant believe the crap they are trying to pull beware when upgrading dont walk out of the store untill you triple verify that you have data and it is still unlimited.

on the bright side Ive been eyeing the nexus s for some time

I am so pissed, someone needs an ass wippin over thid crap.
[HTC Inspire 4G] meatrocket:
I went to the Corp store today where I bought the Inspire. 2 reps were at the counter I went to & I explained to both of them what was going on. They asked for my phone #, my ID, looked at the account and said "why are they doing that?" They got the IMEI off my phone and it was done. I was LITERALLY in the store less time than I spent on hold just waiting to talk to CS last night.

They said I wasn't the first person to encounter this issue. They apologized to me but did say that it gave them some satisfaction to be able to fix my issue so easily when Premier Support fumbled.

I've checked my account twice and the unlimited plan is still intact. Save yourself some trouble and go to a Corp store & tell them the score before you even start. If the rep seems shaky, just tell them flat out you want a different rep.
[HTC Inspire 4G] rhart729:
3G vs 4G

When I purchased my Inspire I came from a 3g device with the original $30/mo unlimited data plan. I told the rep at Best Buy that I wanted to keep my current $30/mo data plan and 10 minutes it was taken care of by the Best Buy employee who made a phone call and I was all set!
[HTC Inspire 4G] homeslice976:
I ran into the same issue last night when I upgraded at Wal-Mart. I was assured I wouldn't lose my ancient unlimited data plan, and she called after the upgrade to make sure - yea, I lost it. They opened a case with the department that can put it back on. That didn't sit well with me so I called back and spoke to a supervisor who said that's how it worked, only a certain group is able to put this back on. He also said that just the fact that a case had been opened it was very likely I'd get it back. His words were "Since there was a case open I really wouldn't worry about it", making it sound like the hardest part of getting it back was talking them into opening an issue with this department. I also made sure to let him know if they were unable to get it back I wanted this transaction cancelled and I would be leaving AT&T. This would be the straw that breaks the camels back
[HTC Inspire 4G] shogunmark:
***update***

and this may help some people who are dealing with clueless reps... i went to my online account manager and noticed there is an option to change my unlimited data plan to a 4g unlimited data plan, however i would need my IMEI on my account... all of the previous emails i had sent the reps were refusing to add that IMEI to my number without changing my data plan... so the last reply i sent them was this:

After sending that email to them, within an hour i got a call from a manager who apologized and passed me off to one of her reps, in less than 5 minutes i was all set up and good to go!!
[HTC Inspire 4G] JaysFreaky:
Where in the OLAM did you see the option to change from 3G unlimited to 4G?

In everyone's opinion, is it easier to do this in the store or just skip and call the 611 number to get things sorted out?
[HTC Inspire 4G] luvmygadgets:
I agree with everyone that said you can keep your unlimited plan, because I was able to, and they used the same SIM card.
[HTC Inspire 4G] RacerX10:
Now proven wrong.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=958618
[HTC Inspire 4G] skipper86:
This exactly how it happened for me, bought at Best Buy, used sim from Captivate, and all is well, double checked the website, and still have unlimited. Thank goodness.
[HTC Inspire 4G] MatUK.8:
So does the "H+" with a check mark underneath mean you have a problem?
[HTC Inspire 4G] chocodough:
Yes that means you have no data connection. In other words you don't have the 4G data plan on your line.
[HTC Inspire 4G] MatUK.8:
Called AT&T. They said they just had to update my IME number. Still have unlimited and still shows "H+" with the check mark underneath also. Not sure what that means, I am going to restart my phone though.
[HTC Inspire 4G] RBDH:
I have had the the check under the H+ and under E. When I had that check, I went to settings/wireless & networks and under mobile network it said "turning on". Once that said connected the check went away. After reading this thread I had freaked out though and called tech support. the guy I talked to confirmed I do have the 4g unlimited. He had no idea what the check mark means. He did say that the tower in the area I was in was having problems. That was in Wurtsboro, NY. When I went down to middletown, Ny the check mark went away. (BTW, is it bad when your finally given the direct number for at&t tech support so you can bypass the regular customer support rep or is that normal?)
[HTC Inspire 4G] pierceheart:
Stupid, sort of noobish question

History - got a fuze on a 2 year contract in June 2009, w/unlimited data plan.

Contract is currently suspended (military deployment clause).

Looking into a new phone when I get back from the 'Stan (August of this year), either the Desire Z or the Inspire.

I'll reactivate my account when I get back, then ...

First of all - should I just buy an unlocked Inspire, and go to a brick and mortar ATT store, say I want to renew my old contract? Or just go into the store to get an Inspire directly from AT&T (and then debloat the thing)?

What're the magic words to get unlimited 4g on the inspire if I had unlimited 3g with my fuze contract - and will i need a new SIM?
[HTC Inspire 4G] meatrocket:
I'd say "don't worry about it now!" When you get back in 6 months, it's going to be a different ballgame. I'd suspect that the next gen of Tegra based phones will be starting to appear by then and you'll be like "Inspire what?" :D

I'd definitely suggest going to an actual Corp Store and doing the deed. Every time I've had to work with "support" for anything other than a warranty replacement, they've screwed up royally.

There are no magic words for getting 4G unlimited if you already have 3G unlimited, you're grandfathered in. Again, just triple check that the AT&Greed pinkos don't "accidentally" remove you from the plan. I'm not sure abou the SIM, but I do know that you can get a SIM for free. I've had to get 2 replacements in the last 6 months and there's never a charge.

Here's to hoping for your safe & speedy return to the land of hot dogs and apple pie!
[HTC Inspire 4G] pierceheart:
Thanks, meatrocket, for the recommendations on waiting to worry til I'm back ... what got me interested in the Inspire was the 4G/LTE possibility, but I'm slightly miffed no one has a (future) LTE capable phone with a slide out keyboard (8525 to fuze got me hooked on them).

Now I find myself (stupidly wasting precious sleep time) scouring the DHD and Inspire threads for ROM info, as I got hooked on having something that would do what _I_ wanted with CaptainThrowback's rom (see my sig).
[HTC Inspire 4G] meatrocket:
I know exactly what you mean! I had a Fuze until the screen died. Then got a Craptivate and have been frustrated with Swype ever since! My wife still has a Tilt 2 she refuses to get rid of because she laughs at the mistakes Swype makes sometimes. I've even considered jumping ship from AT&Greed solely because they don't have a DECENT Android phone with a keyboard. I'm hoping they'll fix that soon.
[HTC Inspire 4G] danncas:
have to agree. ask them questions first. like what is Rooting. What is bricking your phone and so on. If they cant answwer this then all they know is how to sell a phone to other clueless people.
[Desire General] Max):
It's confirmed by Frandroid (FRENCH SITE):

No updates for older HTC smartphones

We have just had confirmation from a representative from HTC, former Sense HTC smartphones (HTC Desire Desire Desire Z and HD) will not have access to the new HTC Sense (2.1).

HTC prefers to focus on new phones in the words of the Taiwanese brand. As a reminder, HTC Sense is the custom interface from HTC that includes many features missing from the interface "pure" Android.

Nevertheless, news of Gingerbread are mostly irrelevant for smartphones HTC Sense. As a reminder, Gingerbread brings a new keyboard, a different interface, the NFC ... a lot of features built into HTC Sense.

Update: Do not confuse the version of Android (Android 2.1, 2.2, 2.3.2, etc.) and versions of HTC Sense (1.5 with Desire Desire 2.0 on HD and Z, and 2.1 on the new ones) .

This is the orignal link:

http://www.frandroid.com/60377/pas-de-mises-a-jour-pour-les-anciens-smartphones-htc/

And the google traduction:

http://translate.google.fr/translat...ises-a-jour-pour-les-anciens-smartphones-htc/
[Desire General] Lothaen:
It's not what I understood from:

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/htc...t-for-android-23-gingerbread-update-50002752/

If they are going to update to 2.3 it doesn't make much sense not to put a new version of sense on the top otherwise they will have so many different threads going off...
[Desire General] Max):
It's the 2.1 sense interface and not the 2.3 gingerbread update. Those features are (according to http://androidspin.com/2010/09/15/htc-announces-htcsense-com/)

Locate your device by remotely calling your phone which will allow your device to ring even if previously set on silent

If your device ever becomes lost or stolen, HTC will offer a remote lock and wipe feature

Backup your devices’ contacts, text messages, call history, data and even customization

Share and edit multimedia content shot from your phone

Using your computer, you can send messages to your lockscreen

In 2.1 you can alose add a quick button setting (and 2 or 3 others features)
[Desire General] Lothaen:
What I mean is why would they push out a Gingerbread update without Sense?

If they push out a Gingerbread update it'd have to be either;

1) gingerbread no sense

2) gingerbread with old sense

3) gingerbread with new sense

if it has old sense surely it means the HTC devs will have double the amount of work to do to make sure its compatible - when DHD/DS etc. will all have similar/same hardware and different UI to manage and maintain...
[Desire General] EddyOS:
Of course we'll get the new Sense if we're getting 2.4 on the Desire - be a pointless update otherwise
[Desire General] Max):
According to them, it will be choice 2, maybe because they want to do the same strategy than Apple: new phones have new things, older one will not have them, even if it's possible.
[Desire General] Lothaen:
Hopefully http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-huashan-gingerbread-dump-with-sense/ will bring a nice new rom with Gingerbread and sense to our lives sometime soon...
[Desire General] EddyOS:
A lot of work would be needed but you never know, might be soon

I personally prefer to wait for a Desire S dump but we'll see

EDIT: Taking a look at the files now, see what I can do with it
[Desire General] EddyOS:
Quick look...

- No HTC apps and it has the Lanucher2.apk so no idea what going on there (EDIT: It has some HTC apps but no widgets)

- It does have the HTC wallpapers/bootanimation files, etc

- Wouldn't know where to begin to port it over so don't ask!
[Desire General] Lothaen:
sounds a bit fishy?

Oh well :)
[Desire General] EddyOS:
It's a test build so probably not complete but I'd like to see a video of it running before doing anything with it. Im sure someone will release something at some point
[Desire General] warlordxxx:
Think it's more likely to be option 4) gingerbread with updated (old) sense same as they did with wm update the core and slap a newer upgraded sense over the top but still not the same sense as the newer phones.
[Desire General] madd0g:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/17/coming-this-spring-android-2-3-for-the-htc-desire/

But i'll believe it when it's rolling out.
[Desire General] Lothaen:
there was already a report on that - they said it should come out around 3 months after the Desire S .... and basically said that could be any time between May and September
[Desire General] erklat:
Wouldn't Desire HD still be superior to Desire S? It makes no sense to me to put new Sense into technically inferior device. :D
[Desire General] jaaystott:
It's already been confirmed that the Desire, Desire Z and the Desire HD will all be receiving the latest version of Sense with the Gingerbread update, in fact it's already rolling out in some places. The UK will be receiving it tomorrow, as the last country in Europe to receive it. Desire and | updates will follow shortly after.
[Desire General] kozmikkick:
Htc is or has been working on a 2.1 sense for Desire Z. We already have a leak of the rom they've been working on
[Desire General] ChIP_83:
yes, but when ?
[Desire General] Lothaen:
wait, what tomorrow?
[Desire General] godutch:
I doubt it as the leaked roms for the desire had gingerbread+sense 1.0 not sense 2.0 or 2.1