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[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] madmack:
found this awesome article that talks briefly about what LTO (Long Term Orbits) really does. good read :)

http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/tb/LTO-TB100-R.pdf

ondoteam, after reading that article, I really think you guys should implement an auto updater that triggers the app to download + update every 3-4 days. Alarm APIs should do the job without holding a constant wake lock ;)

CM7 is also out which moves the files around a bit but they're there ! /system/vendor i believe. I can give you the exact path so that CM7 users can at least "force download" the LTO file.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Yeah, please tell me the exact path. Thank you!
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] betoNL:
Nice posting...

But everything looks like still a bit vague.

How can I know I am downloading the right LTO file if I use wifi connection only?

I read more than once you need to download it via 2G/3G connection so the location can be determined via cell. towers.

My guess is that many users are experiencing gps improvement, just for the fact that they are finally RESETING old gps data more often.

And maybe that's why I always had good gps performance on my sgs: I always reset gps data using programs like gps status, gps test, or via lbs testmode and lately using this app (gps aids)
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] madmack:
my bad, they're at the same location: /data/gps

wonder why your app doesn't work on cyanogen though.

it is jupiter.xml and gpsd that have been moved around and not the LTO files.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] madmack:
From what I gather, I think whats happening is that if our phones have no GPS data at all, it is really bad at positioning and cannot make sense of what it sees due to weak signal. However, once we load the LTO data file, this problem is solved because our phones know how to triangulate even with weak signal until the LTO file expires. At least thats what the article seems to indicate.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
What error are you getting? And using what method?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] betoNL:
Well, that's the misconception right there.

Assisting gps data should be only about speeding up the first satellite fix specially during a cold start. It favours the communication between the internal gps chipset and the satellites until a fix happens

If the internal gps is weak or is not performing as it should, meaning it doesnt get good snr values, no fresh LTO data will help.

The best way to test gps stability, is not by measuring how fast or slow that fix happens, but afterwards doing some real-time navigation using reliable gps software like iGo and no full Agps (supl).

Programs like Google nav and even Navigon are not as relaible since they will keep running even when the snr values aren't good enough, putting the cursor evrywhere in the map..

Well...that's the short part
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] ragin:
Add a link to Wikipedia.org in your OP. & also www.pool.org.

PS : It helps people to choose a custom NTP closest to them.

PS2 : You were lazy & did not add in.pool.ntp.otg into the apk. I had to search & do it myself.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] madmack:
if I try to use the native methods: Ops, the injection data system couldn't detect an active connection. Select Yes doesn't help with the problem.

If I choose Force LTO: sorry but Xtra cannot be downloaded, try again later.

in my case it did improve the accuracy during navigation as well. I'm only speaking for myself though. not only did it improve first lock time, but kept me pretty stable on my google navigation program.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] captsakis:
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[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] evil-doer:
this is all i get as well. ive yet to get the program to work. i9000m

how do i make this work? i rooted my phone for the first time just for this program to try the force method. nothing.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] dimkit:
this program only make the gps fix faster? or it also improves the accuracy and the stability of the gps?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Hello! All people having problems with native mode. Please, try to set "Operation mode" to "STANDALONE". Then check if GPS Aids native method work.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] betoNL:
I asked my uncle, JK Shin, president of Samsung Mobile, why they just dont equip their high-end smartphones with real capable gps chipsets like the good and old sirfstarIII chipsets which dont need any kind of assist of aids of aiding,

full a-gps or assistance of any kind ......etc etc...

Then he told me:

생활을 얻으십시오 !!!!!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] saphirrot:
your uncle is right and now :

친구를 데리고 씨발 꺼져 !!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] ci3hu1:
why i can't find this app on my market?? i've found it from market.android.com but still can't install it. anyone can give me an answer?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Tom_82:
Only north america ntp server

Hi, I have one little problem. Since I flashed DOC's ROM, I can't change NTP server. When I choose Europe and download data, there is still "north-america".. :( Any ideas?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Gyunikuchan:
same problem... cant get it to request for su status
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
busybox must be at /system/xbin/busybox or /system/bin/busybox or /sbin/busybox

su must be at /system/xbin/su or /system/bin/su or /sbin/su

By the way.. if you tell me where do you have placed busybox and su in the next version I will add a path checker with the location of your rom. Check the OP for the date of next version. Regards.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Gyunikuchan:
checked and confirmed /system/xbin/busybox and /system/xbin/su

it was detecting properly before i re-flashed my phone, in one of the prev version

thx for your work on this lovely app anyway :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] evil-doer:
my operation mode was already set to standalone? what should it be by default?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
Anyone found a solution to this cannot download LTO data at this point in time?? Even I'm miffed by this one...
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] evil-doer:
yep.. "sorry but LTO file cannot be downloaded. try again later"

thats all i ever get.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] betoNL:
go to:

Menu/settings/

enable:

Root options

Force data download

But before that:

Just reset/delete assisting data

Go outside and see how long first lock takes

good luck
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] evil-doer:
ive already done that.

its not a problem with me using the program wrong. the program is just not working.

i think i may know the problem..

gps aids has NEVER asked for root permission. if i look in that superuser app its not in the list..
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
I'm not at home... I cannot help you until two weeks, but if superuser don't ask you for permision, is the problem. No code changes in superuser request since first version, so... try to uninstall/install and/or update superuser app.

I will contact you in two weeks, regards.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] evil-doer:
i honestly dont believe its a problem with the superuser app. every other program ive run that requires root has asked permission and was added properly. only gps aids has failed that.

can others please check to see if this is (not) happening to them too?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] betoNL:
Well I dont use only this app to inject/delete gps data or inject time, but when I do use gps aids,

the brute force (within the app) always works....
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] cb95amc:
I had this issue when I changed the NTP server (to Europe in my case)....once I changed it back to the deault option "World NTP server" the download worked fine
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] evil-doer:
nope. tried playing around with those settings and nothing.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] xtoad:
I checked and GPS Aids is not listed in my Superuser apps either...but...GPS Aids works fine for me downloading data.

I am having a problem changing the NTP server (it always stays the same!), so probably this is why...
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] stateit:
Sorry to say, but my GPS has been unusable since using this app. (UK based).

Am driving 60 miles to work this week and it's been all over the place.

Uninstalled, manually reset to europe.pool (had become north america) and is now back to being OK.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] saphirrot:
For everyone who is saying that GPS Aids dont work :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=881941

After installing the google version, use GPS Aids again. Both things are working Godly!!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] oka1:
This works well on the vibrant............. FYI
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
I think I've found a possible solution for the LTO download error.

Early this evening I was hell bent to find the solution for this so I started this and after a few trail and error I finally found the solution.

The problem is with kernel (in my case)

I was using speedmod 13C and this was the root of all evil.

So I went on and switched to SOK Kernel v (4.7.8), I'm yet to test it with the latest version. But I'm pretty sure it'll work with that too.

So for all the people facing the LTO download issue please change the kernel to SOK (laststufo - superoptimized kernel) and let me know if that worked for you or no??

I hope this helps the developer a little so that he could zero on the exact cause of the problem once he's done with his examination.

As for the rest if this helps please click on thanks and for donation please spread awareness on AIDS.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Namiga:
Not in my case ... I was using Speedmod K13C too. After reading your post I flkashed with K13b and K13a. Still got the error.

So I flashed DamianGTO Ultimate Kernel v1 Gold ... and I got the same error too ...

Anyone can tell the kernel used ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] cink40:
Strange, in my case:

speedmode 13C with data ext4 and system ext 4: download not working (LTO not working also), and no GPS Aids in superuser..

speedmode 13C with data rfs and system rfs: download working (LTO working also) but no GPS Aids in superuser again...
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
Update: It works with SOK 4.8.1 as well. But the phone forgets the LTO data after a restart. I'm not sure if the same happens with other versions of SOK. Confirmed 4.7.8 works well with this app.... (as of now, will give further tests after a few hours and report back)
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] cink40:
speedmode 13C: does not forget LTO data with reboot.

But when I try to download data without sucess, application delete existing data which is not good...
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
Problem with 13C is that it will not save the LTO data come what may....
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] cink40:
No, 13C in my case saves LTO data. I can Power Off phone and when I Power on data are still there. But if you try to download data and you do not succeed (for example you do not have data connection) application erase previous data - this is not good obviously, and i suspect it is a problem of application (first erase old data, then try to download new data).
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] betoNL:
OMG....this is not kernel related.

This is about downloading gps assinting data to try to help speeding up the first satellite fix

Programs like Gps status also have this function (reseting/downloading agps data in tools)

But Gps aids also have the brute force method.

Just by reseting gps data, you are already "helping" the internal gps chipset.

Just do this test:

Reset gps data ( using "delete gps aids" button) which is wrongly translated in many languages by the way.

Dont try to download anything, just go outside and you will see: it is going to view many satellites and then the first fix will happen between 1 to 3 minutes (cold start)

That's all....

I am using the K13C since the beginning and programs like gps status, gps test etc. work just fine....

But with gps aids I always need to use "brute force" ....

When you restart the phone, and on gps aids you see a very old LTO file, (thousands of days) that only means that the a-gps data is reseted and that's not too bad..

Programs like gps aids, only tries to optimize the obtainance of assisting data.

And the assisting data will eventually speed up the first fix, that's all.

But only by reseting old data, is already favorable to the internal gps receiver...
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] ragin:
SO, you mean this is old bottle in a new wine & seriously not worth putting money on?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] ttf:
Exactly, but that doesn't mean you don't have to respect the work done. That soft exactly do what basic soft like gps fix, gps helper etc... Do: fixing ntp and dlding ephemerid.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] betoNL:
Right on.

And dont forget the use of brute force :eek:
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
So why is it that in my case switching kernel makes the software save the data?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] evil-doer:
im using the stock firmware and kernel. so thats not the problem for me.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] betoNL:
If you dont know, how can we?

How often do you switch kernels?

How often do you convert / re-convert the fyle system?

Do you use cooked roms?

How often do you enable/disable kernel tweaks?

How many gps apps do you use?

I am using the same kernel with the same tweaks allready for a long time

I never use lagfixes / FS convertion

I use a mod rom (Criskelo's) which I think is practically bug free

I don.t have any gps issues....

That's all I can tell you
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Wine? Bottle? Money? WTF! Some of you bore me a lot. GPS Aids is not the panacea. It's only saving you time and wasting mine. GPS Aids it's free. You can donate or not. You will donate for the time that I work on it, not for it. Thanks to people like you, free version will go ten times outdated than the donate version in the future.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
Same issue with 4.7.8 wouldn't recognize the data after a restart....switching back to version 998 to see if that makes any difference...also this time I've deleted a-gps data which I'd earlier downloaded from the program named "GPS Status"
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Maybe the root issue it's due to I'm doing the processes in background to avoid freezes. Anyway I didn't have that issue. please be patient while I come back to home :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
2 thanks (thank you)

Update: Same wouldn't see the data after a restart. Though according to the app the data still exists in the system. Cannot confirm this manually since I don't know what does the app download, from where and where does it store the same. App is not listed in SU as some users pointed out.

*Patiently awaiting updates*

*May be I can sign up as a beta-tester*

Update 2: just tried downloading data after a restart, initially the app showed the data was about 12 hours old, the download failed then the app refreshed and showed the data to be more then 15,000 days old. To successfully download data again I'd to restart and try again. This is the same irrespective of the version of the lastufo kernel used. Hope that helps...
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
[OFF TOPIC] How have your exams been?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
more or less.. But I am optimist :D by the way.. all people having issues with forced mode, take in mind that GPS Aids have a bug. It is not creating the folder "ltodownloader.canaryx.net", at mnt\sdcard\data\ (thanks to Garkad @ htcmania). Create it manually while I fix it. Regards.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
The concern as I mentioned earlier is that the phone forgets the downloaded data after a restart. Hope to see this resolved asap...
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] kenkiller:
Time to consider opening GPS Aids to 2.3 as well on the market? Seeing that the 2.3.2 leak works fine with GPS Aids, no reason to restrict the Gingerbread users. :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Muaddib69:
==== ESP ===

Ondo, tronco, una sugerencia -aunque no tengo ni idea de si es factible, mis conocimientos de programación son similares a los de ZP en el tema del gobierno :P -. Por lo que veo, en el momento que intentas descargar los xtra nuevos, reseteas el xtra que ya existe en el móvil, de manera que si la descarga no tiene éxito, te quedas con un fichero con una antigüedad de 15000 días...

¿sería posible que ese reset sólo sucediera si la descarga es completada con éxito?

Algo así como

1. inicia proceso descarga -> guardo el xtra existente en un temporal

2. descarga completada con éxito -> elimino el temporal

3. descarga no posible -> restauro el temporal... y así por lo menos no te quedas con un fichero tan viejo...

Gracias y un saludo.

=== ENG BRIEF ===

Suggestion to Ondoteam: Store current xtra data -in a temp location- until downloading of a *new* and *young* file is completed and succesfull. If download is not sucessfull, the current data is restored (atm the data is reset to a 15000 days old file). If download is succesfull, new data is acquired.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
Going by what Muaddib69 says, it means that the app thinks the user will download data every time after a restart and hence it deletes the one already downloaded?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Emmmm... LOL? Are you serious? Acronyms must be in uppercase. Aids != AIDS

By the way, its a word game. If you read some papers, you will see something related to AIDS in the last weeks. Maybe the end is not so far away. :confused::confused::confused:
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] silitek:
Seems to work...after a auto reboot. Thnx for the app
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Yeah, maybe when the basic features work perfect!

after an auto reboot? Can you explain yourself?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] silitek:
After install my GS go for a reboot...automatic.

But GPS fix faster then ever..;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Maybe a causality, the behaviour it's not in the code! Nobody report something like it before! But thank you for the report! I'll keep my eyes open :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] saphirrot:
nice idea boii, but i got a question. it is working everywhere ?

what about adding the right location from some of the GPS server like TomTom is doing it for their devices? this would be the bist solution for ACCURATE and FAST fix for settings !!
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Yes, it's work everywhere. You will have the same fix speed with any related servers. By the way we need a specific format for the GPS aiding data :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] erkv:
Whats the point of changing the ntp server?. Im going to try it asap.

Well done.

Btw,your english is pretty good.

Estaremos atentos.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
The GPS calculate your position measuring times. You must have the internal clock of your device tuned up with a very precise clock to obtain the most exact position data. A NTP server do part of the job... and if you select one near you... your device will be more precise (latency thing).

By the way.. thank for the first donator. I don't know if came from XDA or HTCMania. Any way thanks so much. If you want to add your name to the initial post, tell me who are you and the transaction ID. :D:D:D:D:D
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] saphirrot:
Holy **** . This thing ****ing works godly with fixing. i layed my phone near my window down, normaly i dont got even 1 satellite with normal settings. i looked after 30 seconds this thing got 4 satellite with FIX !!! i thought HOLY ****ING **** WHAT HAPPEND. need to test with my car :D but this result is awesome mate , go on with it !!!!!

btw : i got the same idea with this app like you, but my developer skills are zero :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] nnullius:
Great app!

Very fast fix in Italy!!!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Thank you! I will upload soon the translated version

Thank you for your donation :) I never expect a donation... so I was thinking that the first 25€ will be for the developer account in the Market.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Updated de OP!

@Flozzo Locale two letter code for Netherlands is nl, am I right?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] evensteven:
Looks interesting. Will test it tomorrow. Could you please add the german ntp server? Address is: de.pool.ntp.org

I somehow wonder why the app says that no ntp server is in use, because I already have set the above mentioned with FasterFix.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Will be added soon.. about the "no NTP server" it is due to the app get the text from the configuration file of the app... so if you didn't set a NTP server from the preferences menu, it doesn't show. I forgot to change it from the initial code. I'll fix it ASAP. Regards.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
A quick question here: Does this app download the data automatically after a specified interval of time or do you have to manually run it to get those GPS data?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Cotw:
Interesting app! Will try it tomorrow :)

In the meantime, could you please add south-america.pool.ntp.org? That would be great for me.

Speaking of which, I also use FasterFix, in which I have selected that zone. I selected no NTP zone in your app. That means my GPS will use the zone specified in FasterFix, right?
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Siberian Tiger:
Great app 11view 11use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Even inside the house i have signal!!!

Great app.Keep going.

Accuracy 9m!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] OneDream:
I must be doing something really wrong, cause I'm no longer able to get a lock...at all.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Felipe Rodriguez:
Hi, great app! finally my GPS works perfectly! you have got a PM from me.

Rgds.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] saphirrot:
haha, maybe i wasn´t that wrong with the Force Method bug :D i told you , but good to hear that others got the same issue !

go for it mate ;D

btw: after a reboot this issue disappear, maybe this will help you !!
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] pramathesh:
Confirm: Creating the folder resolves the issue...
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Thanks very much for all donator. I will contact us soon :)

I'm working... some screenshots below :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Adevem:
gingerbread support would be nice! ;p assuming files are still in the same places.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
Yes, it will support GB :D

I need testers for GPS Aids 2.0 ... with froyo and ginger :D please PM with the following:

* Subject: GPS Aids BTester.

- Android version: 2.1 | 2.2 | 2.2.1 | ...

- Native method: WORK | NOT WORK

- Forced method: WORK | NOT WORK

- Kernel + version: Stock | SpeedMod X | ...

- Device Model: Euro SGS | Vibrant | Tab | ...

- Your eMail: something@coldmail.com

Thank you!
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] saphirrot:
Why dont you release the Beta here like the old version mate? You ll get much more replies and bugs than with an non release beta.

I would love it ;-)
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] :
due to I will get one million of downloads and no feedbacks :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] p0peye:
time interval

Hi,

what is the time interval - how often the data should be downloaded?

What is the size of the data downloaded? (It should be a small data amount, I presume?)

Thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] betoNL:
Imho, when you get to see a very old file (15000+ days) it only means that the gps data reset was successfull.

Btw, if the gps assisting data is more than 3 days old( and I mean, following a successful download), just by deleting it, you are already benefiting the gps....
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] betoNL:
If you search this thread or google you will find the answer

But here it goes once again:

From GpsPassion forum (click)