yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Bada Software and Hacking General] jake792:
A very LOGICAL approach with RAM:

Wave has 384mb ram in which: (Oleg_k kernel)

1. 48mb reserved for call processor

2. 336 mb available before boot(see dmseg logs http://code.google.com/p/badadroid/source/browse/branches/serg_logs/putty_kernel.log from line 146 to 182)

3. During boot ~107 mb reserved for various(line148-168), kernel ~18mb leaving 209- 211 mb "available" after boot(shown in task manager)

For Galaxy s(512 mb ram):http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=801394 finally it has 304mb "available"

This 211 mb is the heap memory and bada also has 200mb heap memory after boot(http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=906966 see pics that adfree has posted)

Just after boot in task manager:107-111 mb/211mb thus we finally get 211-107=104mb free for applications....

Considering bada and android same in memory managment Wave has 384mb ram because you had only told amount of free ram after startup in bada is 104mb for applications!!!!!!!!:D
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
You want to say us that bada itself uses 384 -104 = 280 MB of RAM, and where the 107 are gone, the difference to android?

This sounds beliveable, but it could also be that the missing 128 MB are on ROM used, the bada Apps without splash screen don't use Heap memory instead of dolfin, oben the video player and the free ram amount with bada will be the same, where the wave stores the Video playing in RAM? Half HD Videos has 80MB compressed per minute, that means that a HD playback on 104 ram would be impossible, cause he must decompress it in ram to show the raw data on display. Otherwize there is maybe also an extra memory for such things, like Graphics Card has also 52 MB of RAM for itself. Only for one App, not includet bada usage and so on.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Easy colculation

2.5 MB * 30 Screens per second = 75MB and the offset and fragmentation. And where is the buffering??? if you need 2 seconds in buffer than you ahve 150MB every second usage.

The 2.5 are nearly worser pictures in a video with less colors, if you can show us how this works on the wave than i can believe in the 107 Free for apps.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] jake792:
Regarding hd video playback

Nokia n8, c7 -256 mb ram

xperia x10-384 mb ram

These phones can encode/decode 720p @ 25 & 30 fps respectively...how? i dont know!!!!!!

So wave having 384 mb ram and encoding/decoding 720p @ 30 fps isnt impossible......

Why dont you directly ask honourable samsung for wave complete specs or atleast ram?? Why cant they reveal it like htc, moto??? Or do they also dont know much ram wave has?:D this creates too much confusion...:confused::confused:

EDIT: You are wrong regarding RAM usage of Non-splash screen apps:

1. Use badasi app check free ram, close and open music player(music playing), calendar, clock etc... you will find amount of free ram going down.

2. Hd video playback when free ram was 20mb-"not enough memory" after 7secs:p

So there is a common free ram "pool" for all!!!:D
[Bada Software and Hacking General] nbates66:
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nope, not that either.

but yeah, rest assured when playing HD video you don't actually need much more than 256MB of RAM(and not even all of it), same applies on android (i believe our test builds are capable of playing back 720p video fine).

EDIT: :eek: i've never seen an out of memory in bada while playing back video, only when using web browser... how many widgets were you running?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] jake792:
For experimenting i opened:

1.2 network widgets, 4 normal ones..

2.More important, dolphin browser with dailymotion and yahoo opened with flash enabled. this consumes 40-50mb ram

So after opening BadaSi it showed 20mb free ram..Then while playing 720p video-"not enough memory".:rolleyes:
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Leez_Gooz:
when I asked them, I received this mail:

Lol! (btw, in contant form, phone number field is not required :) )
[Bada Software and Hacking General] gamemaster98:
do you think that bada 2.0 will be released on september???NO! Samsung lies too uch they said that bada will release on june february may......samsung are LYARS
[Bada Software and Hacking General] :
Calm down man

It will be released, when it will be. Remember last year waiting for Android 2.1?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Who you are? :cool: Cool down marketing manager, thank you for your realy informatically post, we all have much from it^^

"LYARS" :D realy funny, you hate them so much that you even forgotten to write clear english words or what? :D

"lies too uch they said that bada will release on june february may" another funny part, they said 3 quarter and before, more informations on mwc ;) maybe you dont know what a quarter is?

But i even can not say when it comes, i can only say it will come for both wave and wave II more i don't need to know.

@all yes it seems that there are realy 384 MB now we know it better, but think about it is 384 MB for a little os less? i dont think so samsung must make bada better in memory management, than even the 100 mb for apps would be enough ;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] jake792:
Right you are! Its after all the memory management, like android 2.3 in bada 2.0 they should make major leap in memory management or else 1gb ram is also useless...:)

100mb for apps is more than enough because u can open every app except heavy multitasking, like opening a web browser with heavy flash sites and opening hd gameloft games!;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] anonimo1w:
you have any idea how much the "useful apps" needs? like, browser needs 20mb, for example. and about the bada 2.0, have a "streaming player" for live streaming videos, streaming videos from sites (not only youtube) and music streaming, or only streaming from youtube or uploaded videos?

thanks :)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
currently rstp streaming is possible with 2.0 http streaming (v5) this should be than on every site possible i think html5 video is the feature thanks to apple :)

The site must offer html5 video but i think this should not be a problem

we here must all say thank you steve
[Bada Software and Hacking General] gamemaster98:
Oh and i have a question.bada 2.0 will be avalable for 525?????? Please say yes im so sick of my phone :(
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
I have seen that the resolution is supportet by sdk for this devices, but as i heared they are discussing if they will update this devices to 2.0, i dont know how the decicion will be, maybe the 723 yes, i think
[Bada Software and Hacking General] gamemaster98:
why 723??? and some members from badaforums said that is already confirmed for all bada devices :|
[Bada Software and Hacking General] bandzo87:
As I know it will be available jsut for s8500 and s8530 at first (and maybe new bada phone s8900), than for the low and bada devices..
[Bada Software and Hacking General] anonimo1w:
as i know, the discussion is if the 2G devices will receive, about that, they tell in the twitter that this "is still under discussion" :(
[Bada Software and Hacking General] anonimo1w:
larioteo

which apps work at the bada 2.0 sdk? you only told about the dolfinX until now, right?

have a file editor in-built like picsel office or a navigation program like the route66?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] gamemaster98:
as i know it will be for all wave phones first for newest bada 2.0 devices then the current waves
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
@all please dont ask always the same questions before questioning the whole topic must before be read. I have said it a lot of time this is only an emulator firmware with nearly only api in it, there are no apps installed or something like that, the developer make the apps ;) think about it.

Dolfin is part of bada and this is why you can call him after requesting to load a page from an app, this is nothing magic, also media player can be called through streaming calling, things like appstore are impossible for the emulator.

Why they should integrate everything unaccessary in an emulaotr for the devs, that the start time is longer? NO GO.

Questions about new functions and improvements of the os itself can be asked, i only need to make an app that calls such features and that is it.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Lithophyses:
can you show the media player then? is new sorting order available?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Tohid.M:
larioteo can you give us images of gallery if it changes? :rolleyes:
[Bada Software and Hacking General] lasentenza:
Hi Vanthor, Have you got some news from your friend? :p
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
i will try it, when i got some time, currently there isn't no left, to much to do, also voluntas is waiting. sorry
[Bada Software and Hacking General] akuji_bwn:
Thanks to larioteo I was able to play with bada SDK 2.0 and have found one interesting thing - possible name of new middle-end Wave: http://badaworld.net/vazhno-wave-725-novyj-telefon-srednego-urovnya-na-bada-2-0/
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Th3Zer0:
bada SDK 2.0

Source: static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.0b1.html
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
time to download it :P
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Th3Zer0:
New features?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Yes, javascript developers can make their own apps based on only javascript and run it on the emulator, no c++ code is needet, all gui elements seems to be accessable, but i dont know much about this language and i cannot say anything, but it seems to be the 3 way to make apps.

C++

ActionScript(Flash)

JavaScript

The app is something like an app on the webkit based, i even doesn't know that javascript can to so much things, horrible.

There are also examples for webapps, so everybody can be a developer i think, a lot of sample apps how to make it, should be enough.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Leez_Gooz:
Are you sure about ActionScript? I didn't find anything about that in link above.. Is that means that I can develop flash app and sell it over samsungapps store?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Doodle God is a Flash App^^

you need the compiled SWF, other things are nearly all done by bada SDK only implement it and you can make i thing the best games, flash games has not the memory problems.

The dokumentation ist fantastic, Action Script devs can made the best apps ever.

You only need to tell the example app where your swf is, copy it in home and give this path in

/Home/example.swf after that compile it and start it, than the app starts your flash content and it is better than the bada possibilities you can make a flash browser also, everything you want.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Why is such a topic rated worser than the Android things? I think here to post informations about bada is bad time investigaion.

Unbelivalbe, such cool things and then we get bad ratings. :( XDA is not good for bada developers, i see now.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
WebApps

JSDK = JavaScript Development Kit

i wont post anything more here, there are out many other forums weher the people like bada and are thankfull for such information.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] lasentenza:
The problem I think you are the only one developer interested in Bada here :(

Personally I do not understand, the SDK is a mystery for me :p

You will have more pages when Bada 2.0 will be available and installed on our waves.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mylove90:
@lasentenza

The SDK is not hard to use but the C++ is the hard one

i need a full course in C++ when i get any free time to make a proper app:D

@larioteo

XDA is considered as the biggest forum for bada ATM

Maybe you can give this site a try

but it is not big at all
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
I don't get it, the bada development kit offers so many options and no body should be interested? You can code now apps in JavaScript Web based, no need for c++ or in ActionScript,

Can Android SDK do this? Or iOS SDK? I have tried the Android SDK there are examples that even dont work this is terrible only Phone7 has a perfect SDK, badas SDK offers now so many things.

I am sure that some Web Developers and Flash Developers will find the way to bada, cause it is very easy and no much time is needet to port a flash game to bada, why not?

Sure Android and iOS are bigger now, but the things will change a SDK that offers for everyone an interface to code apps for the System is the feature and not one that only offers one thing for itself.

I have waited for such a SDK and bada is the first one with examples for beginners that also works only copy and paste, this is like a dream instead of others, but what i am talking about, here are not enough developers that can do more than java.

Also the WAC extensions are amazing.

The bada kernel is open when we decompress the apps bin why nobody hacks this? instead a not good working android? Why not showing apple and google that they arent the best, we could do so many things, if there out would be enough developers that can handle more than java or objective c
[Bada Software and Hacking General] hellseekar:
@larioteo

dont get upset!....buddy!

u r doing a great job, keep it up

i will only develop only when final sdk is released

Please keep posting!.....lol
[Bada Software and Hacking General] oSandmaNo:
The problem is bada is too simple to use(almost feature phone-ish)and most of us get fed up of that too soon

there are people who want a simple OS but personally i need something more complicated like android

bada has no app integration like the SMS apps,google voice n replaceable keyboards on android

the apps we have are like what normal non smartphones have

just install, run and close

hope bada 2.0 isnt like that else il move to android :)

bada is certainly faster but android is better (according to me that is)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] gamemaster98:
hi guys i just want to know if bada 2.0 will be avalable for wave 525and 533 and i want to know the cpu of them too but please answer the first question is more neccesary for me!

Thanks
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Fahrenheit51:
Hi Larioteo, simply I want to say that I think that "Fater IS better", and I want to add that I hope one day I'll became a Bada Dev 'cause I really like this system, and even I'm just starting working with C/C++, I'm sure I'll manage to make my <u>own</u> app. As you're describing the new SDK, the work will be much easier than with another SDK and if for someone this is only "boring", for me that I am "someone" who want to make an app, or a "society" who don't want to loose an year to make his app.. well, this is fantastic.

So thank you beeing a Bada Dev, and keep up the good work ;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
yes if you see the fact that here more than 75% are not interested in this news, than it even doesn't make sense. This time that i invest is a hobby for me, if it is useless than my hobby seems to be useless.

Alone to do everything isn't funny.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] hellseekar:
lol

at this time the news that u r posting is about SDK and only developers are interested in it!

just keep posting!

i like your dedication to make bada better......cheers!!!!!!!!
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Sorry man my english understanding seems to be bad, i don't get it what you want to say me, in my country a "lol" in this fact means kidding. Maybe i am understanding it in another way wrong i don't know.

I wanted to show others (Widget Developers) and users that there are many other ways know to develope an app. And there are also a fantastic documentation to get easier in, in the other parts, normal users see what is possible now, what features will be new. But at the end, we need people who makes apps and such people who uses them.

It is like day and night, both needs each other. Without users that want to see developer related posts, we can forgett it, it is yet clear what i mean?

This is my technique, i want to know what the users want, not like others, a interaction in a forum is the best possibility. And here it seems that everyone wants Android and its apps, this deosn't helps a bada developer.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Leez_Gooz:
Is there support for ActionScript 3.0?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
There will be new FlashLite 4 in bada 2.0 with support for ActionScript 3. In other words, it should be pretty capable to run most of the Flash Content ;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Anaarchy13:
@Larioteo dont get madd!! ive been following you since a lot of time! your information is very interesting and keep up the good work! dont let anyone kill your hobby :P! you are the only person that post usefull information about bada

Cheers!
[Bada Software and Hacking General] badelemental:
@larioteo- you are not alone with the hobby : developing apps for bada. I have that hobby too. Just about to complete my second Bada application. Although i sucks at graphics so i am asking one of my friend to help me design a gui which looks better than designed by me.

After finishing my project , if its gets accepted i will do another project after release of bada SDK2.0-A ebook reader which will support epub, fb2, txt, chm and many others ebook format out there. And of course my every piece of work is going to be free.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] gamemaster98:
hey guys can anyone inform me for wave 525 cpu and if bada 2.0 wipl be avalable for it????
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
It could be cause the sdk has the resolution for making apps for this systems supported, but as we heard it on twitter samsung is discussing about it if they will make an update for the small bada devices, i think it woud be possible, bada 2.0 seems to use less memory, as i noticed in emulator for the HVGA devices, it runs realy nice and smooth, this could be.

We must think about it, it would be good for they to make an update cause of selling apps they earn money with it, this let us hope so.

@badaelemental nice to hear about it, if you want we could make a partnership about coding voluntas, it would be nice to have an dev partner, a browser is always a big thing, togehter it would be much easier.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] gamemaster98:
lol they are disscussioning for 4 months about this... samsung is so slow on bada
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
I don't see the point in your post, if you have nothing better to say leave it, no noobs please.

We are not here to fight each other, we are here to post some news, also we are not here to discuss decisions of companies. I hate such offtopic, better to post nothing, than to make some here very angry, but some cant let us our freedom.

Have you a company? Do you know how much development costs? If no better let the people talk that know about it something. Or make an own Topic samsung is slow in bada development and post what you want, here it goes about something other. Or maybe i hate bada, bada is sh... and so on.

Leave the bada evangelists live in their world. We also dont disturb the android section for wave. Its only fair.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Rebellos:
SDK has got very limited access to low level functions, that is the thing from my side.

About open kernel, believe me, I cant even imagine who came up with idea to link almost all modules and drivers in one 90mb apps file and how far its from being open. Im sitting in apps disassembly for few weeks now, few hours daily.

That code is freaking RAM eater!

Like half of functions from that 90mb, which are being loaded into memory are never called or are doing simply nothing, they just exists there as relicts from previous samsung devices.

Hack into something like that? Possible. But first try to understand all critical fuctions and find out that half of them are just dummies.

Well, waiting for 2.0, hope now they will compile it with size optimalization.

Oh yes, does anybody knows if bada 2.0 require new bootloader? Or will work with old one, from 1.2?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] adfree:
Really good Question... but it seems they do some major changes... maybe they "improve" Bootloader or for higher Security Reason...

I would say... new Boot required for 2.0... but we will see.

Best Regards
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Rebellos:
Then we wont use their BL but create our own basing on the new one, its possible to run any modified BL without erasing old one from flash, as our new universal fota proves.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] astrotom:
Hey! Can I know which are the apps that you have already made? And which app are you currently working on? And I suggest you could make the ebook reader with bada 1.2 sdk for now and then update it alter with bada 2.0 sdk. No presseures though! :) Bada seriously needs an ebook reader.

PS - I think you could make the ebook reader a paid app. People will be more than willing to buy it if its not extremely priced :)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
sorry i am currently very bussy with voluntas2 you can find it on the bada dev part here. It is taking my whole energy, i tought this would be easy^^ it is based on the webkit as dolfin and has some neccassary features.

E E-Book Reader will come with the Readers Hub on bada 2.0 it would be i think not so productive as the integrated solution.

The second one or the first for bada is BadaSI also foundable here, it is opensource you can look in it.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] oSandmaNo:
would bada 2.0 erase stuff from phone like contacts and applications?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] adfree:
Samsung sent Inventation to Devs... via Email.

I think soon SDK will more public... hopefully. :cool:

Best Regards
[Bada Software and Hacking General] gamemaster98:
man bada has a nice stylish but the apps ruins it :(
[Bada Software and Hacking General] :
Que? What apps? Be more precise.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] ronakg:
Lot of days have gone by without any new screenshots. What's new guys?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] :
:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqKTyYKZjsU&feature=player_embedded

from bada-world.pl
[Bada Software and Hacking General] secretwhite:
How did you get this video? Did you take it by yourself or what.

If you took this videoi can you take some other videos.?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Why more videos? can't you wait a month for first alphas from all over the net? As you all see it is working very smoothly and shouldn't take any more long. The sdk is ready to go out, after this the first firmwares will come, the sdk should be end this month available for public to download, and the sdk will be finished when bada 2.0 is finished, they need the firmware also for the emulators.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mylove90:
i'd ask for the firmware itself not a video:D

what will i do with lots of video i need something in my hand:)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
yes if an alpha there is that crashes 5 times a day i would use it :D only for testing ;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] secretwhite:
I thought he can't leak the firmware because of legal issues.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] lordfarhan40:
http://t.co/jNy748J got this link from samfirmware. it says beta. going to try it.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mauro269:
It's not a beta. It has been already verified that it's XXJH3, that is bada 1.0.2
[Bada Software and Hacking General] lordfarhan40:
awww thanx nyways :)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] cybekteam:
About SDK 2.0.. Is browser able to download files eg. from rapidshare? Or is there a message like "format not supported"?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
cause it is locked (the link) you can try to find it out ;) this what you see is only a php script that redirects you to the real site and downloads automatically the newest release, you must hack it, or wait until some days rc3 is nearly complete