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[Epic 4G General] vitreoush:
Too late, too slow, too little.

Samsung unfortunately is still working on the feature-phone timelines. What they (and most other android phone makers, with the possible exception of HTC) seem to not quite understand is that these smartphones are true computers now, and need to be treated as such. The OS is an integral part of phone, perhaps the most important part, and people will not tolerate a company that refuses to update an OS that both has critical bugs (and yes, the GPS bug is a CRITICAL bug), and appears incapable of utilizing the hardware it's surrounded by. It's like Microsoft refusing to repair a Windows bug that kept all printers only printing in black and white. It's almost worse that the hardware is so good, and is being crippled by a poorly customized OS (like tantalus, nearby but unreachable relief is far worse than no possibility of relief at all).

It's going to take a really big step to mollify those that have been burned by this generation of samsung's smartphones. Samsung, if your listening. You've pissed off many of your most important phone buyers. These are the people who less tech-savvy people ask for advice on phones, and for every 1 XDA member offended by your apparent lack of desire to properly support your equipment, you probably lose at least 10 referral sales to companies like HTC.

My recommendation, at least open the source code for the devs to look at, and if you're having software quality problems (and that's the reason you can't get froyo out the door), invite some of the best devs to take a look at the proprietary modules that you're having problems with. Work with the community and you may maintain some degree of support for your next generation of phones. But keep trying to astroturf them, or worse yet, pull a Behold 2 on them, and watch out as your current market lead could easily change next generation.
[Epic 4G General] aleph23:
+1,000,000

Sent from my last Samsung phone.
[Epic 4G General] dito33:
I don't care what big announcement gonna be I am done with Samsung phones anymore cuz I truly know who they are. Now days other phone companies are awaken and bring on the table equal if not better hardware in their equipment, the damage is done and John the Samsung Man not sure if he can fix it.
[Epic 4G General] tenaciousj:
Although a nice gesture I think its to little too late. This is something that should have been done months ago and if the big announcement was Samsung was going to try and work with XDA to get things moving and open up communication then it was a let down for sure.
[Epic 4G General] Beezer80:
My company and myself are done also.
[Epic 4G General] themirthfulswami:
I'm the OP from that post :) I'm hoping some other Facebook campaigners that also read XDA can verify that they have had the same experience as I have. I find it extremely strange that there were several other people posting on Samsung USA's Facebook page for as long as I was and I don't see ANY of their posts anymore...
[Epic 4G General] i.mykol:
Truly Epic. Better get the movie rights.

Sent from home
[Epic 4G General] lazyart:
I've seen this done in other places. And it plays out like this:

Guy from corporate shows up to be a presence.

He'll ask some questions, such as "What do we want to see in the next version of the OS?" and "How do you use your phones?"... stuff of the like. He'll then quell any rumors by saying there isn't a firm release date yet, but it's coming soon. Or there will be a date, but well before that date arrives we'll be told it was pulled due to QA issues.

If he has an ear to the developers it will be unclear. He will distance himself from Samsung's dev team... just enough for us to feel like he's an ally, while at the same time defending them.

Then of course, he'll give us a firm date for Froyo/Gingerbread once it has gone into the Sprint playbook.

Or, he'll just disappear and be replaced with another face from Samsung and the process will repeat.

So in other words, Samsung has just thrown us a PR bone. It worries me a bit because if Froyo was really coming on the 21st they probably wouldn't go through all of this.

Enjoy. And be sure to save some marrow for tomorrow.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
What worries me is the absolute quickness that an article appeared praising Samsung after he posted a thread on the General forum. Almost looks like that was their goal all along. I mean seriously, this is getting ridiculous. What the hell is taking so long for XDA/SamsungJohn to just post whatever it is he "knows"/can tell us, and then ask for whatever it is he wants from us. Why the need for polls/400 threads/closing said 400 threads/etc????

This whole SamsungJohn thing is pissing me off more than not having Froyo. At least with the Froyo nonsense I can semi blame it on Sprint . . . . .
[Epic 4G General] dcowboys2184:
I been saying this over and over we are being played I see things like this daily !
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
I have been on the side of letting SamsungJohn say his piece, but it just seems like games up until this point. I don't understand the need to obfuscate the issue more than it is already.

Say what it is that you can and are allowed to say, explain your role here and what the limits of that role are, and then ask concisely for whatever it is you would like to see from the community. Why make it harder than that unless your goal is to play games?
[Epic 4G General] stepchap:
Still not gonna buy another samsung phone again.
[Epic 4G General] waitforit...:
Sammy will only respond to declining sales. Nothing else matters. Period.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
It could be one of those retarded epic ad videos on PSN...

I see the Epic advertising in the weirdest places... PSN, gas pump-top TVs.... strange...
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
They have a new product about to launch and simply can't afford the negative press they have been receiving, so because sales are so important they have no choice but to do some serious damage control.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Yea, its going to be pretty atrocious when EVERY SINGLE review of one of their phones and tablets has a warning to consumers that Samsung has completely bungled previous software updates and to expect zero support or updates. And following the reviews there will be dozens and dozens of comments stating how awful Samsung has been. Not gonna help sales at all.
[Epic 4G General] pkny:
Truthfully no matter how good the samsung phone is I probably will never buy or recommend one. These updates to the phones to fix minor problems is necessary since no phone is perfect, but manufactures can also make improvements to its software.

All the transform owners are pretty much stuck on 2.1. That phone is so slow. The HTC hero would be a better pick for now.

I don't see how anyone would like the transform over the shift given then they are very close to the same price and both require that premium data charge.

Too bad the selection is so bad on sprint.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Was just thinking. Another reason not to touch Samsung phones is that they have been so slow giving us froyo, that the developer side for our phones is basically dead. Cyanogen doesn't support our phones at all. He is releasing CM7 RC1 as I speak, and all sorts of other phones like the EVO get it day one. We are stuck in limbo here waiting for Samsung to give us a 7 and half month old update. meh.
[Epic 4G General] notoriouspyro:
Heh... That Kyocera Echo is starting to look mighty nice right now.... Sadly I jumped from my Evo, paid full retail cuz my employee line wasn't up for my upgrade yet, to come to the Epic. So from here on out, I'm steering people to the Evo or the Shift at work. Sucks being an informed rep.
[Epic 4G General] jeffyv2:
Im going.HTC :-)

sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
YOU THINK THE ECHO IS BETTER THAN THE EPIC? You really must be a Sprint rep...
[Epic 4G General] omair2005:
If 2.2 doest drop by end of feb.. my next phone will def be an HTC
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
The way I see it, software can be developed, but once you buy the phone you're stuck with the hardware (something HTC has always been behind the curve on, in fact they're the only major android OEM to not have a single Dual core phone announced)
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Sadly Samsung is one of a few companies that have the atomic bomb(Super Amoled screens).But time will come when others will get the bomb too.And when that happens I will buy anything but Samsung.

Untill then I have no choice but to stick with Sammy because I refuse to ever go back to lcd's.

Speaking of Amoled,doesnt LG manufacture them also?Why they dont use them in their phones?And doesnt Sony manufacture them too or they gonna buy them from Samsung for PSP2?

Damn,how did a little korean company got so large?They probably got some rare natural resorces needed for all these electronics.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
What goods the hardware without the software? We have the capability to do TV out through microUSB and the 3.5mm headphone port, but not without a software update. A quarter of its life this phone has gone without that ability because of no software update. We have the capability to do audio out through the docks, both car and home, but not without a software update. A quarter of its life this phone has gone without that ability because of no software update.

I thought like you once. The Epic is easily the best phone Sprint offers hardware wise. It means nothing without software to take advantage of these features.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Samsung has a massive stockpile of AMOLED's and pretty much has every other company bent over a barrel to get any while saving the best tech for themselves.
[Epic 4G General] notoriouspyro:
Nah... But it'll at least see 2.2 natively before the Epic will. That and the fact that there hasn't been any new devices listed out for Sprint announced at MWC. IDK... But yeah... I'm buyin the Echo. Whateva... LOL...
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Why all other giants like Toshiba,Sony and LG dont build Amoled manufacturing plants?Why is Samsung only one that has them?
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
I'd rather run a hack-y 2.2 than a horrid official one with no update within the forseeable future
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
As far as I can tell (based on speculation and information I've accumulated from tech blogs etc.) Sony is sticking with LCD's for their phones, while LG seems to have hopped onto the "3-D bandwagon" rather than focus on less gimmick-y display tech, finally Toshiba really seems to not even be an "also ran" in the smartphone game
[Epic 4G General] notoriouspyro:
LOL... Think about that statement... We had a "forseeable future" on the Epic. It was going to happen. It was just around the corner. It was right about to launch. It was almost in the devs hands. It was coming... Eventually...

Hell if it wasn't for what was promised within the forseeable future, half this forum would be dead from lack of "Where's my Froyo update?" posts.
[Epic 4G General] konaman:
As soon as the HTC 7 Pro comes out I'm done with this phone and Samsung all together.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
The only difference is that if the community is left without an update for the EPIC they will develop their own drivers a la Hero, whereas I see 0 potential for the ECHO to have a dev community, and in fact of all the Reps I've spoken to at my local store only 1 thinks that is has any potential and none think it will see anything over 2.2 whether official or unofficial.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
I wish you luck with your switch even though the general consensus it that WP7 is a dead in-the-water OS
[Epic 4G General] notoriouspyro:
But that is still to be determined. You have devices that are labeled as "crap" getting people interested upon official release. You have other devices that are flagship phones that generate so much buzz and hype yet when push comes to shove, fail to deliver a la Galaxy S line. The big thing is, right now, no one knows what the future of a non-released device is going to be. We can only base things off of the existing specs. Yes, I understand it's not a dual core, yes I understand it's coming from a theoretical "no-name" in the game, yes I understand it cannot nor will it ever be listed as a super phone. But I have been in the game long enough to see what was listed as an amazing device take the biggest falls ever and vice versa watched these little "pee-on" phones make monumentous strides. Until I can actually use the phone and mess around with it, I will revert from any preconcieved judgement on the device or any upcoming devices. How can one make an educated decision on something based solely on another's opinion?
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Im not even talking bout phone game.From what I read is OLED is the future of Tv's and any kinda screens period.

It seams like Samsung is the only one making progress in OLED field.Plus Sony was going to use Amoled in their X10 but didnt for some reason(samsung probably asked too much).And sony was the first one to make OLED tv(which got amazing reviews).Plus Sony is using Super Amoled for NGP(PSP2) at the end of this year so its safe to say Sony thinks Amoled is better than Lcd.Plus Apple just bought $7 billion worth of Samsung parts-my guess is that iphone4 wil use Super Amoled Plus screens.

Nokia,Dell,Htc and few more made some Amoled phones that they bought from Sammy.But why none of them knowing OLED is the future and lcd and plasmas cant compete havent made their own manufacturing plants yet?
[Epic 4G General] juanaraya92679:
Atrix is a bad move considering all the bloatware and root restrictions. Check out the engadget dot com review. Plus the docks are not worth the money. Better choice is galaxy 2 if your friend can wait. The galaxy s2 will be easier to customize.
[Epic 4G General] ultra78721:
+1

I owned the blackjack,jack, and omnia. So I decided to go with epic knowing it did not have froyo. And I took there word, that it would have froyo soon after.

BOY!!!!

I was lied to :mad:

They lost this customer and others. As when I see a friend or relative shopping for a phone,I will share my experience that I had with the epic and tell them, why they should not buy a Samsung phone.

Anyways Here's a track I dedicate to FROYO DEV TEAM @ SAMSUNG...

LMAO:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8xMSFFqwzU&feature=player_embedded#at=12
[Epic 4G General] diego1985:
Me and you both, I went blackjack 2, jack and gave them a chance with the epic on android. This won't ever happen to be again with samsung, I mean it.
[Epic 4G General] paulkenosha:
Its sad that a simple thing like a OS update is such a problem.

I get there is a lot of work put into it, but a massive company such as samsung can make these fancy phones, tvs and hell even refrigerators but they can't get a OS update pushed out faster then 7months? I bet it took less time to design and make the Galaxy S line then the froyo update is taking.

Don't know what my next phone will be but, I am positive it won't be samsung!
[Epic 4G General] imtjnotu:
I feel this will be my last samsung phone...but I will hold off until htc decides to put better screens in there phone...
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
I was actually planning on getting a Samsung refrigerator..but it has me wondering if it will ever get Froyo or Ice Cream :/ lol

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I think LG has a plant that makes AMOLED screens but they are smaller size screens..

I also saw their OLED TV at CES 2011 and I can tell you I was REALLY IMPRESSED...I've never seen anything like it..3D is a hype...If they can get that LG OLED screen on the phones that would be A LOT BETTER..not that I am upset with Super AMOLED Plus..its a nice screen, for a phone, probably on par with LED and Plasmas of today...that OLED screen though is 5 steps ahead though in quality..

As for Samsung delivering updates..well as I said they got 3-4 months to impress us..if not it won't bode well for them...I will admit their Galaxy S 2 is impressive..BUT its not as much of a WOW factor compared to the competition as Hummingbird was when they demoed it last year..so unless they can prove that they can actually handle what they call a "premium brand"..I wouldn't mind going for a competing equivalent..HTC is looking pitiful with their refreshes, they need to put out some decent hardware..and I'm iffy about Motorola and their locking habbits..LG isn't looking too bad :/
[Epic 4G General] dohturdima:
I bought the Epic while off contract. If no official 2.2 by mid March (when my upgrade credit kicks in) Epic will go to fleabay while I go HTC and upgrade or jump ship to Verizon (Sprint carries at least a part of the blame dur to crapware)
[Epic 4G General] ilostmypistons:
I got a Epic my wife got a Evo and I still like my Epic better as pissed as I am at samsung I still wouldnt give it up. Ive turned to delvs for a sweet running phone Im done with worrying about what sammy and sprint got up there sleeves.
[Epic 4G General] bigray327:
How's it working out for ya, SamsungJohn?
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
Sony hasn't released any specs for the psp2. And I believe they are forecasting oled for it not samoled. Also I think your statement about iphone is pure conjecture. Apple would never change something as big as the screen mid cycle on their best selling device.

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
they released specs...

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/01/27/next-generation-portable-ngp-all-the-early-details/

And I think what apple is going to do is call 3.5" one Nano and then make a bigger version >.>
[Epic 4G General] herzzreh:
Why is everyone *****ing about 2.2 when it's the smallest problem that the phone has. I know of three phones from different batches that had GPS and accelerometer issues and numerous reports on the internet. These appear to be hardware issues and are far more important than a software update.
[Epic 4G General] dohturdima:
Can you post a link describing these issues? I do think there is something wrong with my accelerometer as it the screen does not toggle to landscape at times.
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
OLED and Amoled is almost same thing they are both OLED screens and probably manufactured by samsung.

Sony did state a conference that it was using oled or amoled 5inch screen.
[Epic 4G General] jportz:
Weird and a little discomforting - Just got a notification that SamsungStore (california) is now following me on Twitter. Considering that the only samsung entity I have tweeted to is SamsungJohn, I find this odd. Possbile they are following anyone who took part in yesterday's "Huge Announcement" fiasco?
[Epic 4G General] tsperez:
Talk is cheap...
[Epic 4G General] herzzreh:
Not handy, but download sensor debug from the market and see if all axis go past 30 degrees.
[Epic 4G General] omair2005:
+1. If not super lcd this year, then hitachis new 4.5 ips display which r going in mass production in 2012.
[Epic 4G General] paulkenosha:
Agreed!
[Epic 4G General] mikey80021:
I've had 3 samsung phones now, and I want to say this is my last... however, I love their hardware, and the devs here, and will probably buy another if the hardware is as comparably better, as I believe the epic to be. :-)
[Epic 4G General] mousiluck:
I don't understand th point in why samsungjohn is even here, we have all goten past the anger point. But this sj bs is just bringing everyone back to being angry. Oh and big news everyone
[Epic 4G General] pipskicks:
Granted I don't usually use Google Nav (just used to Sprint Nav) I have had very little problems I can think of other than a little bit of a slow GPS, still beats my dedicated car GPS though...

I also don't have any accelerometer issue I know about, I have had issues with previous phones lagging but this one has been pretty good...
[Epic 4G General] herzzreh:
Download sensor debug, do all axis go past 30 degrees? Does Google SkyMap work well?
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
my axis dont go past 30... are you sure they are supposed to? What are we looking for here? The app says consult SDK, so ill wait for EB13 and see if thats the issue.... but thanks for the app referral!
[Epic 4G General] inimitableac:
it seems like the pressure from users are getting to them but its still not enough with enough support our EPICS would and will still make some envy today. . . too bad Sammy hates us
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mmarquis:
Just today with my rooted but otherwise stock Captivate I am getting a log in screen for the default Yahoo home page.

Anyone else having this issue?

I guess I can just change my home page.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dupontrocks11:
Are you on wifi or at&t service?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mmarquis:
On AT&T. Haven't checked Wifi. Currently not on.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dupontrocks11:
Do you have a login? Because my theory is that it wants to bring you somewhere other than under homepage.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mmarquis:
I never needed a log in before. It just pulled up the ATT/Yahoo page. I did sideload an app recently, though I don't know how that would affect the default homepage login.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dupontrocks11:
What app did you sideload?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mmarquis:
It was a very simple app my brother-in-law developed for me. It just takes a couple of variables and calculates something involving an arctangent and displays it.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dupontrocks11:
If you allowed it to access three internet, it might mess with the settings. Try uninstalling the app and see if that does anything, or, just change your homescreen to google or something lol.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avgjoegeek:
Sounds like it's a vibrant ROM thing... you get the t-mobile/yahoo page as default.

Too strange though.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mmarquis:
Yeah I will uninstall it to see. Can't imagine that it accesses the net, but my B-in-law is just getting his feet wet with Android programming.

<pause> Uninstalled it and still get log in screen. I will reboot.

<pause> Rebooted -- same problem. Guess I'll just pick a different homepage.
[Nexus S General] fchipm:
Engadget just posted a story on the two major issues of signal loss and rebooting during calls.

Maybe with this Google will start to fix the problem? I sure hope so, as both are now affecting me more than ever.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/nexus-s-suffering-from-random-data-loss-reboots/
[Nexus S General] slateac:
Didn't Ry guy posted that a fix is coming and they already found the problem? Its been more than 2 weeks now..
[Nexus S General] DJTaurus:
They must also fix

1)Choppy browser with and without flash.....

2)Random freeze of the gingerbread launcher...
[Nexus S General] fchipm:
I think it was posted that the reboot fix was coming, but not the loss of data.
[Nexus S General] DarkAgent:
Maybe I am just a lucky one, but I have had Nexus S since release and have only had a "random reboot" once; and no data signal loss issue AFAIK like Engadget has described. I have owned three Nexus Ss.

There are other issues, though, making it clear 2.3 is not bug free.
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
and they didn't even give us XDA credits :rolleyes:
[Nexus S General] DKYang:
Perhaps 2.4 is coming sooner than planned and the fixes will be implemented in that? Just a wild guess.
[Nexus S General] SooSpecial:
The article was updated. Now saying that Google fixed the issues and an OTA is coming soon.
[Nexus S General] b84cops:
i'm hoping they fix the quirky back button as well. that thing is driving me crazy!
[Nexus S General] globalninja:
I recommended the nexus s to my girlfriend, but seeing all these issues are making me regret it :\ there are no fixes/workarounds?
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
aaaaaand... 10char

that was fast.
[Nexus S General] Xandlinger:
Weird. I haven't had a single one of the issues described in any form. However, the browser issues do make me angry.

Glad there is a hotfix on the way (for the issues mentioned, that is, not necessarily the browser issues)!