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[Droid Incredible General] Seihaku:
I switched from a first gen iPhone on Tmo to the Droid Incredible on Verizon. I agree the service is vastly superior and I seem to get signal almost everywhere (save for my ground floor apartment, but thats not their fault.)

I was a little disappointed when I first switched phones though , something about Android on the Incredible felt cheap and I couldn't place my finger on it. Then while loading Facebook one night I realized it was just because there was zero lag time between hitting the icons and the application loading up. Weird right? Something about having that loadtime on the first gen iPhone made everything seem a little more substantial.

But that's all in the past, love the flexibility of Android. That said, I've still yet to see an Android phone keep up with an iPhone when it comes to standby battery life. As for waiting for the iPhone 5 - seems like it'll be the 4G update (awesome) but nothing else substantial.

The Dinc is still a fantastic phone though. It's very quick for general phone use and web browsing, it just doesn't have the most battery conservative cpu nor does it have the graphical capabilities for upcoming games. It's a shame that Samsung seems so hellbent to not support their phones, otherwise those would be great as well.
[Droid Incredible General] IISiDeK1CKII:
The incredible is too small, I am tired of HTC and I didn't like the Droid X. I loved the fascinate in my time with it. I am done with ROM swapping. You all's opinions aren't the only ones that matter.

I'm glad you all like the incredible so much, but it'll be EOL in a few months. The next thing I want is the iPhone 5, so to sate myself till then, the fascinate will suffice. Thank you for your continuing support of my phone purchasing decisions. Philly, do you not have anything better to do then travel through this forum stating your opinions as truth? Other people are allowed to have opinions too big guy. Froyo has been on the fascinate for a while, it's been leaked. And in my experience with it, there wasn't lag. Biased much?

Again, this brings me full circle to an original point. Asking this question here won't net you honest unbiased opinions. There are too many people who feel too strongly about android to give you the whole story. Do what I did, get the iPhone and see if that's what you want. Return it and try an android phone, you may realize like I did that android is too lovable to leave. I love my iPad and I will love my fascinate. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion. (it's ok if I have one of those right Philly?)
[Droid Incredible General] wdfowty:
I do have one bone to pick, and that is the issue of better "build quality". I remember when a certain iPhone 4 came out, and people were seeing yellow spots and shattering the back plate-glass, when they weren't busy trying to find the best way to hold their phone. ;)

I have no problems with Apple's mobile department. I do however have a huge problem with every other aspect of their business.
[Droid Incredible General] IISiDeK1CKII:
Clearly our perceptions of build quality differ. Not all phones have yellow spots (which is a temporary problem associated with the bonding process of the digitizer to the LCD) nor back plate problems. The fact that the iPhone is made of Gorilla glass and stainless steel makes it look and feel 100x more valuable than the droid inc. I don't believe this is a point anyone can contest, as the DINC is like 90% plastic.

On the other front, what is wrong with Apple's business model btw? Apparently people are pretty happy with Apple products overall if apple is able to make billions of dollars in profits.
[Droid Incredible General] wdfowty:
That's the problem, Apple makes shiny things, but shiny (or expensive-looking) doesn't translate to great build quality. You're starting to sound like a fanboi.

...By screwing it's customers and insisting they come back for more. I have a personal vendetta of sorts, they screwed me out of a couple grand. I'm allowed to have an opinion, right?

Anyways, I'm over this thread. Peace.
[Droid Incredible General] IISiDeK1CKII:
Finally, OP, you need to ask this question elsewhere. If you've used an android phone before, go test out the iPhone and see the differences between the two OS's. That's the big difference, and you need to experience that for yourself.
[Droid Incredible General] PhillyCheez:
Incredible too small? Its bigger than the iPhone ... your reasoning is just ridiculous. You hate android, we get it. That's all sidekick. What post of mine did I say was fact? of course its opinion!

I have nothing against apple. I just bought my girlfriend an iPhone and I recommended it! I also own a MacBook pro.

I've done my research on both sides and I'm loyal to no one. Your too easy to piss off. Its entertaining.

Sent from my ADR6300
[Droid Incredible General] Essenar:
Apparently I was screwed with this Incredibly bad joke of a phone.

Pulled from wall 11 am. Its 3:50 with mild usage and my battery is almost shot. Flashed with CM7 & incredikernel. Smartass setting. This phone eats batteries.

Girlfriend has been on her iPhone checking internet and playing Pandora. She's at 80%.
[Droid Incredible General] zerocool79346:
That's unfortunate, I'm at 24 hours off the wall and at 70% left. And I'm stock unrooted on the stock battery. Granted today hasn't been the heaviest of use, but I couldn't have gotten this on my Eris if I just left it sitting there and never touched it.
[Droid Incredible General] HolyGrail:
My connection rarely drops below 2 mbps, so I guess it depends on where you live.
[Droid Incredible General] Essenar:
I really like this phone. Sure its plastic but its actually better built than the MyTouch 4g. The MyTouch is heavier and better hardware but massive quality issues. Bleeding LCD, paint on buttons see through, front facing camera off center, bad screens with washed colors.

As far as iPhone goes, I like it but apple has been very discouraging to the mod community.

If the Verizon iPhone were 4g, I might bite. For now it looks like thunderbolt wins.
[Droid Incredible General] Ianxcom:
Just my two cents about the iphone. Nice phone and all but way to heavy. Especially fora Guy holding it in his pocket. Might not bug some people but it would me
[Droid Incredible General] khanam:
Sidekick, I have been told by a relative at a phone company that the reason why froyo came late to samsung devices is because apparently they were trying to blackmail phone companies into paying a lot of money for the update unlike htc who sent it for free. That's not good behavior and should concern anybody looking for future updates. My problem with motorola and it's locked boot loaders is that they are trying to restrict the ability to tweak and innovate just as apple does.

The simple fact is that phone os's improve at a very rapid pace. Any hindrance to keeping pace with new features (such as integrated SIP, speed enhancements etc) are problems for me. I can confirm that motorola bionic's boot loader is still locked and the thunderbolt's is not. Guess which one I will be getting...

I also have an iphone 4. Jailbroken @ 4.2.1 and unlocked... & I still spend all my time on the inc. why? Because its more fun on the inc...

My 2 cents...

Sent from my desire z inc port.
[Droid Incredible General] IISiDeK1CKII:
[Mod Edit] Removed post do to the disrespect and profanity towards other XDA members
[Droid Incredible General] wdfowty:
[Mod Edit] Removed due to disrespect of other XDA members

Hey, look, I'm sidekick!
[Droid Incredible General] IISiDeK1CKII:
I don't get it... was that a personal attack or something? I need to get with the times apparently, between my girlfriend, job and school, it's difficult to keep up with the ever changing dynamics of being "stuck in high school."
[Droid Incredible General] wdfowty:
[Mod Edit] Remove Quote

I don't get it, was this supposed to be unbiased?

You're trolling this thread, and I'm the one in highschool. Nice.
[Droid Incredible General] IISiDeK1CKII:
[Mod Edit] Removed content of post do to the disrespect to other XDA members.
[Droid Incredible General] andrew8806:
Hey all, can we stay on topic please? Quit the trolling, quit the bickering and please keep your profanity off of XDA. Thanks!
[Droid Incredible General] IISiDeK1CKII:
Is this a joke? Unbelievable...
[Droid Incredible General] andrew8806:
No, I am not joking. If you think I am feel free to PM me with any questions if you have any issues with this.
[Droid Incredible General] Essenar:
Yeah, there's no need for a thread to turn into a flame war. I'm glad I could see both sides of the coin though and I thank both of you for showing the good sides of each choice.

Just an update:

I've decided to return the Droid Incredible. I'm going to buy a Droid OG from Craig's List with a clean ESN and register it to my account, that way I can still get full new contract discount when the Thunderbolt actually releases.

To be honest, I'm not even sure that's the route I want to take either. There's so many uncertainties with all the networks right now. I feel like this is a terrible time to buy a phone: Thunderbolt or not.

People say all the time, "Every time you buy a phone, there's something new right down the line." Yes that's true, but not to the extent that it's true this time. This time last year, the wait was the difference between an HD2 and a Galaxy S. Sure, the Galaxy S is faster, but not THAT much faster and definitely not "better". The difference between June and November was a Galaxy S versus a MyTouch 4G. Or on Verizon side, a Droid Incredible and a Droid X. Or a Droid Incredible and a Samsung Fascinate.

Again, new device but not necessarily "better".

This time of the year, there's a drastic difference between the devices coming out now and the ones coming out in six months. Six months, you could see an iPhone 5 with LTE and much better hardware (compare iPhone 4 to iPhone 3GS). In six months, you could see dual-core HTC phones with 1GB of ram.

I think the Thunderbolt delay is a blessing in disguise. With so many devices with dual-core coming out in the next six months, it's almost the biggest mistake in the world to sign a two year contract and pay $250 for a single-core phone that's comparable to $100 phones from other networks that already have GSM support.
[Droid Incredible General] brian85:
Please please PLEASE don't get the fascinate.

This is coming from a guy who got it a week after launch and still has it (about to sell though). WORST PHONE I'VE EVER OWNED. Support sucks, GPS was never completely fixed, and it has the worst reception/antenna out of any phone I have used in my entire life. I absolutely hate the fascinate.

Oh and getting a launcher from the market does not "cover up" the horror that is touchwiz.
[Droid Incredible General] JDevil:
I must say in your decision you can't go wrong. I've owned the Incredible since day 1, and I am absolutely glad I jumped from the Droid 1. Having said that, with the thunderbolt coming out, I doubt it will be a step backwards. The only thing I see myself missing on that is the trackpad, it's very handy for the small space it takes up. Thought it hasn't rolled out yet, i would say the Thunderbolt is your best bet, if you want amazing battery life, go to the iphone. However, i highly doubt the mid-year update is going to give 4g, I bet it will be a bigger screen, and a Gsm/cdma phone to reduce production costs.
[Droid Incredible General] IISiDeK1CKII:
Sorry your experience sucked so badly with the fascinate. I bought mine and love it. To each his own i suppose. I just wish I could mount it on my mac...
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
-- Well the incredible community is pretty big, there's already a bunch of ROM's and custom Kernels that will really help improve your phone for the better, tons more battery and faster phone than stock.

If you go with the incredible I suggest you getting the HTC extended battery with one of these sweet cases:

http://htcpedia.com/news/case-cover-htc-droid-incredible-extended-batteryc.html

Hard rubber are the better ones.

-- The thunderbolt is a faster and upgraded phone from the incredible, but since it's new- it'll likely take weeks-months for rooting to be available and even longer for custom ROM's and Kernels to come around. That being said, you may be stuck with a more sluggish phone than you should. >I would probably still go with the thunderbolt though.

-- I'm not a fan of the iPhone. I have a few friends with iPhones and just don't like how they're so locked into place and all the limitations you have on them. The Apple Market is horridly controlled as well. We're seeing more and more developers going with Android and not Apple because of this. Not bad, some people's choice, just not mine.
[Droid Incredible General] ikflip:
I bought my incredible a month and a half ago off contract off of craigslist, it was brand new in box. My contract is up in april and i needed to get off of my blackberry. I would personally recommend getting something off contract so you wont be tied down and you can wait for things like the iPhone 5 and thunderbolt or Inc S. With NFC, front facing cams, 4G, etc. goodness coming out in the upcoming months, waiting seems the best option. The iPhone 5 will be nothing short of greatness with the blunder that is known as Applegate, Apple needs to recover strong. Android is continuing to be a wonderful platform with the gingersense on the Inc S and 2.4 (gingercream or Ice Bread idk which is more valid) waiting to see all these companies battle will only benefit us.
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
Yep. I love it.

I'm not an apple hater because without apple there is not a big push for these other companies.

With these 5-6 major companies battling it out with android vs only apple, it's clear apple will eventually fall behind if they keep with the same locked down methods.

Android has a massive future ahead of itself. In 2 years we will be seeing much better battery life for droid smart phones and massively much faster processors.

Fantastic stuff.

4G phone video chats will become a norm in a few years.
[Droid Incredible General] karnovaran:
Video chats will become more useable, but I doubt they will be the norm. We seem to value ways of communication that are less and less personal. How many times have you seen a call coming in and wished the person would just text you?
[Droid Incredible General] aconners:
OP, I feel like what you're talking about here is an issue of value.

If you get a new contract and can get an Incredible for ~50 dollars or however much it is (or free, on wirefly) I'd say you're getting pretty good bang for your buck. The phone's hardware is enough to satisfy the average user and if what you need is a decent smartphone, then the Incredible's your man.

The Thunderbolt is the latest and greatest. If you have to be an early adopter, and you're going to use the hell out of all the hardware upgrades, then the $250 might be worth it to you.

The iPhone 4 doesn't present good value, if only because you know that (like clockwork) Apple is going to release a new iPhone in the summer in just a few months.

I have an incredible, and testing it against my friend atrix, I didn't think I was missing out on too much. And that's good enough for me.
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
It's already rooted prior to launch.
[Droid Incredible General] Derrtydozen:
I would go for the thunderbolt but 4G isn't available in my area, and besides the price for 4g would be pushing it for my budget. All in all the thunderbolt sounds to me to be faster, per reviews, but I love my DInc.
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
I don't know why you say the price for 4G service would be pushing it for your budget. Every indication is that there will be no price increase when the phones launch. This is supported by the fact that 4G Mobile Broadband plans are priced exactly the same as 3G plans.
[Droid Incredible General] dunemessiah:
Really don't like the 4.3 inch... can't HTC increase the pixel density for the larger phones?
[Droid Incredible General] PhillyCheez:
I talked to Verizon today. They told me 4g pricing will be the same as 3g

Sent from my ADR6300
[Droid Incredible General] Derrtydozen:
Wow really? this changes everything..... I guess I was looking at the plans wrong when I came accross the 4g pricing.
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
There has been no pricing announced for smartphone data. The plans that you saw were for the USB modems.
[Droid Incredible General] aconners:
I very much doubt they would price 4G at the same rate as 3G. It's a premium service, and it could also be seen as "unfair" to subscribers who have to pay the same rate as 4G service for 3G.
[Droid Incredible General] PhillyCheez:
I was blatantly talking about upgrading to a 4g phone. Its what he told me. Of course he can be talking put of his ass as Verizon employees usually do.

Sent from my ADR6300
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
What you may doubt it, that does not negate the fact that 4G Mobile Broadband plans are priced exactly as the 3G plans. Whether your device is an iPad, Galaxy Tab, Xoom, or Pantech 4G USB modem, you pay the same price for the same amount of data.

The more recent leaks point toward a $29.99 unlimited plan for smartphones, which, like their other 4G plans, represents no increase in price. From a marketing standpoint, this makes perfect sense. For the time being, very few customers are going to see any real benefit and the equipment offerings are limited. After LTE gains significant traction, probably around the end of 2012, I'd expect to see premium prices.
[Droid Incredible General] PhillyCheez:
I agree ... the reason I asked the Verizon employee was because I don't want to pay for 4g prices when Portland doesn't even have it available nor is there a set date!

Sent from my ADR6300
[Droid Incredible General] AKHincredible:
Well, obviously the Thunderbolt is better than the Inc...and it's been proven that it's better than the evo. Essentially an evo with newer inerts..
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
No one has any idea on the rates, this article sums up the most popular rumors:

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/02/04/verizon-lte-unlimited-data-plan-price-same-as-3g-data-rate/

I don't think we'll know until a few days before the release of the ThunderBolt.
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
That their current 4G plans are no more expensive than their 3G plans is a reliable indicator of things in the short term.
[Defy General] hkmaverick:
Install the attached app. Usage: "Volume Down" start record and "Volume Down" stop record+exit. Video is saved in "/sdcard/default.3gp".

The app is pretty basic, just to allow and test 848 x 480 video recording in 2.1 roms.

It works on my 2.51 Eclair HK ROM and it contains no malicious code.

Don't know if it will work on 2.2 Froyo.
[Defy General] 6marcus9:
crash in my defy eclair 2.1
[Defy General] bether:
It works very well on 2.2.1 FroYo Orange :-)

Nice to see *.mpg than *.3gp
[Defy General] hkmaverick:
what kind of audio encoding did you get? 8k sampling and 128kbps or 16k sampling and 256kbps?
[Defy General] bether:
Nope...

Audio: AAC 8000Hz mono 48kbps [SoundHandler]
Video: MPEG4 Video 848x480 [VideoHandler]

1. Can you fix issue about overwrite "default.3gp" by adding simply counter for written file?

2. Possibly is capture by FPS=60 and playback FPS=15? (I mean slowmotion)
[Defy General] xjlfu:
i will try it on my UK 2.2 pays mod, hope it work fine
[Defy General] rolaxman:
Great! It works smoothly on 2.51.1 CEE. (1,2Ghz)
[Defy General] darule_2011:
I am using stock 2.1 and downloaded and applied app...I opened the camcorder and it didn't record full screen. Is there a step that I am missing? I would love to be able to record in full screen!

Thanks!
[Defy General] rolaxman:
You have to open the downloaded app instead of stock camcorder and use the vol. down button to start and stop the recording. It isnt a patch it is a independent application.

(Srr. fr. my Engl.)
[Defy General] hkmaverick:
i also have a recompiled libOMX_Core.so that enables the hardware 720p decoder and encoder for 2.51 2.1 stock rom if anyone's interested.

it allows the defy to play some mpeg4 and h.264 videos in the stock player. cpu usage using hardware is 10-20% vs 50%+ using software (rockplayer).
[Defy General] Citynomad:
Sounds great. Will this enable 720p video recording (optional for standard or lg camera app?) ?
[Defy General] hkmaverick:
no. for that to happen have to modify pv opencore + omx so that the 720p encoder is selected for encoding and may be a bunch of other things too.

the lib*.so is for 2.51 2.1 rom. my defy is on that rom and decoding works. i dont wanna brick ppl's phones so i have some reservations on posting it.
[Defy General] Citynomad:
Well... 720p decoding already works on my stock defy (2.51.1). At least when the settings are correct ;)

BTT: I tried the fullscreen recording and always get a freeze frame after 5 seconds (still records the sound).
[Defy General] hkmaverick:
did you take a look with ddms to see if the 720p decoder is selected when playing those vids?

the app is written in std android api with just a little hack to get aac audio. still it doesnt run on all 2.1 roms......
[Defy General] darule_2011:
I'm interested...
[Defy General] darule_2011:
For some odd reason, it won't work on my rooted defy. I have it working on my wife's defy which isn't rooted. On mine, it force closes when I try to open the app...any suggestions?

And big thanks to developer...recording in full screen is what this thing should have done in the first place...so thanks for making it happen! Thumbs down for motorola :mad:
[Defy General] hkmaverick:
ok, be warned, this works on my 2.51 HK eclair rom. i dont know if it will give you boot loops or not! so do the necessary precautions first, like backup and finding a sbf that you can flash back to in case this doesnt work.

you'll need to be rooted and have adb on your pc.

the steps are:

rename libOMX_Core.zip to libOMX_Core.so (it's not really a zip)

On pc:

>adb push libOMX_Core.so /sdcard

>adb shell

$su

#mount -o rw,remount -t ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk1p21 /system

#cd /system/lib

#mv libOMX_Core.so libOMX_Core.bak

#cp /sdcard/libOMX_Core.so .

#chmod 644 libOMX_Core.so

#reboot
[Defy General] darule_2011:
oohh, well, I would give it a whirl but I'll be honest...I'm a noob and would end up bricking my phone just because that's my kind of luck! My phone is rooted but not because I did it, I bought it that way.

On that note, my wife's phone is not rooted and your camcorder app works like a charm. On my rooted phone, it's force closing when I open the app. I unistalled and reinstalled a fresh copy, but it's still not working. Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks again! I really appreciate your help.
[Defy General] hkmaverick:
well mine is also rooted and i based my app on that. is your rooted defy on 2.51 2.1 rom? there are a few versions of 2.1 stock roms around. my guess on your FC issues is 848x480 is not supported on 2.1 roms other than 2.51. i also did some mod (a few lines) on my build.prop to get better audio encoding.

if you have ddms or logcat you can post them and i'll take a look.
[Defy General] darule_2011:
Not sure which rom I am on...I am very sorry for being a noob! If I go into 'about phone' - which field would tell me the rom? I am in the process of downloading the sdk and java files...I have a slower internet connection so it might take me some time but I'll post the log as soon as possible (this is a whole new world for me :)
[Defy General] darule_2011:
well, I tried to get the sdk thing so I could run a log, but I live in a rural area and our internet is not only slow, but I'm on limited usage plan. I got as far as the java and sdk install, but now need to install some packages within sdk that was too large and taking forever, and then I still haven't downloaded the eclipse package which was another 100 mb. So, if there is a way to figure this out without a log...that would be awesome, if not, I completely understand! Thanks again...