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[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Uh, lets review history a little bit.

HTC is the manufacturer of the Nexus 1, the first phone to get Froyo. They received froyo before the release of the Nexus 1 so that they could write drivers. SIX MONTHS LATER, the EVO4g comes along running a SLIGHTLY different first generation snapdragon SOC. In fact, the EVO has near identical hardware to the HTC Incredible which was released a full month before the EVO.

So HTC had PLENTY of time to begin developing drivers for the EVO.

You are saying that Samsung didn't have more technical hurdles to overcome creating drivers for the first devices to use their hummingbird processor and PowerVR SGX 540 gpu than HTC which built the reference platform for Froyo 2.2 through their Nexus One?

The Evo has also received multiple small patches from HTC because their Froyo update was obviously rushed by Sprint so that they could run all of those annoying "first" ads.

Also, take a look at some of the issues people have had with the Evo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G#Criticism

It has the same screen issues that my HTC TP2 had, which is the brightening in a small spot as an example.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
HTC and Samsung are the same..the biggest difference is Sprint is Sprint released EVO as their June phone and wanted to be first to upgrade to 2.2 so they pushed HTC to upgrade faster...If you think about it they updated the international SGS at an ok time table (not the best but OK)..when it got to the carriers is when the issues started happening..

The MT3GS is using the 600mhz snapdragon processor is it not..that processor is pretty much an under-clocked EVO and GPU is the same..add to it the lower resolution and there is no reason why it shouldnt run smoothly..anyways on my Epic though when running 2.1 stock I had it smoothly no matter what I was doing :/

The mytouch series is T-mobile's brand...when your "branded" by the carriers you get more love...

?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?..we are talking about the same HTC right? for the record Samsung releases source same day or within a week usualy..HTC on the other hand still didnt release sources for many devices eve after people have been calling them for AGES to release them...

What makes HTC easier is many devs have worked with HTC phones for YEARS even before they had any protection on bootloaders or anything..we practically grew up with them..and with the N1 it contributed a lot as well..
[Epic 4G General] usfslacker86:
See, I just don't believe any of that and ill tell you why; the myTouch 4g. That phone runs worse than my HERO did with stock software. And it does everything slow: pulling up the dialer, installing and loading apps, pulling up the market, everything. Its honestly probably one of the worst feeling phones I've ever used (that weren't running MotoBLUR... shutters) and even launcher pro couldn't salvage it.

The reason HTC is "better" than Samsung is just as TC said; people here have awfully selective memories. HTC is just as painfully slow at getting this done as everyone else, they just got paid a ton to get 2.2 (not even 2.2.1 which I believe it still doesn't even have) out for ONE phone and everyone just forgot. I can't wait for the Evo to take 9 years like every other phone to get gingerbread/ice cream sandwich so people can return to hating every company evenly.
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.

Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Wut?

Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.

Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
They haven't abandoned the 3g..it works by 2 years cycles..so 2g has been abandoned but 3g has not until the iphone 5...

That said it doesn't mean samsung has gave up on us completely..for all you know we may go up all the way to honeycomb and beyond...they just have been rather slow at it :/
[Epic 4G General] PythonFanTN:
Fixed. Half tongue-in-cheek, but half serious as well. ;)
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
Sure, that sounds sensible except I might beg the question...why then not take us right to Gingerbread? ;-) Coincidentally I was at a Best Buy tonight and played with a Nexus S. It really is weird how it's so similar to the phone I'm typing this on right now, but Google's sponsorship of it changes so much on the software side...
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Because Gingerbread is not fully ready..or at least wasn't when they started on 2.2..
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Its 6 carriers in US(Metro PCS and one more-i forgot).

Ok youre right ancient iphone 2G did get abandoned but not for 3 years!And iphone 2G did receive the latest 3GS firmware.

Now,the last I checked(few mins ago) iphone 3G and 3GS are still receiving updates(ios 4.2).

Now if Sammy could learn that for their flagship phones(not all,just flagship).

Samsung thinks if they update their phones with the latest and greatest then people will not buy their newer models-that is simply not true.Those that can afford it will sell their old models and buy newer ones and those that gotta wait till their contract is up will buy another Samsung phone after contract is up because of their good expirience with this company.

I have no doubt that Samsung is a great company with great hardware and costumer support.They just need to FIRE whoever is running their phone division and get some new blood.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
I can think of two reasons. One, Gingerbread might not have been ready. Two, they completely reboot their image if they release froyo and then a month later release Gingerbread. Going straight to Gingerbread would get them praise, but it would also be met with "its what they should have done" and "took long enough" type press. Going from Froyo to Gingerbread, they will be met with "wow, Samsung releases Gingerbread after just releasing Froyo last month" and "is this a turn around in Samsung support for their Galaxy S line".
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
My dark humor side takes over a bit and I can see a scenario like this:

Froyo releases next week. Mostly people are very happy and few problems occur. Much geek butthurt is forgotten.

Then April rolls around and Gingerbread is anticipated with glee. Sprint pushes it out...and bricks everywhere. (Oh, that'd be so so wrong.)
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
You mean US cellular and Cellular South?

MetroPCs only got a Galaxy S recently with a kb and a crappier screen..and it has froyo..

This would make a total of 7..

From what I am hearing 2.2 should solve the bricking issues...
[Epic 4G General] infamousjax:
From a completely non-biased angle, I personally have owned three Samsung Android phones - Epic (decent at best), Moment (fail), and the Behold II (epic fail) as well as three HTC Androids, the G2 (awesome), Evo (awesome), and Hero (meh). From my experiences, Samsung's hardware is great... they have beautiful displays, and well working parts that have long lasting durability. As said before, their software has needed improvement for years now, especially in the Android industry, not to mention their software support. To me, I just feel some peace of mind with HTC that I know what to expect - AND THAT is what is keeping me a customer.
[Epic 4G General] pipskicks:
My roomate has the MTG3 from Tmo, I liked the Hero more, but the Hero was on 1.5 for a very long time WITH the Moment...

Dev support was better for the Hero, that was a huge + but that was thanks to XDA not HTC....or maybe the Moment was really that much crappier. I just didn't expect the Epic to have so much less dev work (or maybe it's the glitches we have).

I don't know, just seems like I got an issue joining the Samsung haters b/c HTC screwed me with 1.5 for so long...
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
I loved my Behold 2-first phone I owned with Amoled.That phone was built for toughness and had crazy potential.Of cource all that potential came to nothing when Samsung screwed us on 2.1 update that they promised to release on youtube.When it didnt Samsung acted like that lil beast never existed.

I still check Behold2 forums once in a while to see what progress is made on 2.1 port,i know that one day BhMan/Eugene373 will make it happen and proove Samsung to be liars.I will probably buy another Behold 2 once BhMan ports 2.1 or 2.3 because despite what Sammy says I know that phone can run 2.2 and gingerbread!
[Epic 4G General] pipskicks:
For what it's worth I didn't really feel like the 2.1 update to the Hero did much. 1.6 added a few apps (i.e. Goggles) but that was pretty much out already on the dev forums.
[Epic 4G General] Slovak65:
I have to agree with you on that. The Hero was my first Android phone, and 1.6 was loaded with various problems, when HTC released 2.1 for it everyone thought the lag, especially the dialer lag would disappear, but it didn't. Sure it was better, but was still there on many folks phones.

The Epic is my 2nd Android phone, after my not so decent experience with the Hero, I vouched to never get another HTC phone. All around the Epic is a better phone(imo) on the hardware side than the Evo, the Epic is an Evo killer in my opinion. Sure the Evo can do a few things on the software side that the Epic can't, but that is completely OS independent. Personally I could care less for the extra features that Froyo has. My phone works good enough for me for what I use it for.

Will it be nice to play with Froyo when it is officially released? Sure it will, anything new is always nice to play around with
[Epic 4G General] mrsbelpit:
the mt3gs does not have official froyo yet. also, it's a piece of ****.
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Youre right MyTouch 3gs dont have froyo and probably is a piece of ****.

However MyTouch Slide 3GS does have froyo(maybe 2.3 by now) and is really nice phone.Phone is so nice that it got voted by users to be better then Evo.
[Epic 4G General] pipskicks:
Ya this is exactly how I feel, I may be able to trade it back for an Evo still, but I know the hardware is better so there isn't a point in doing so, eventually it'll get the same software except Sense. I liked Sense but it wasn't worth switching for a phone for, whereas the landscape view with an on-screen keyboard was enough to make me get something with a hard keyboard.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Here is my thoughts on updates as well as hardware and HTC vs. Samsung.

I started out with htc touch on windows mobile and for the time it was one of the awesome phones out for sprint, when i had it for a little over 4 months, the vibrate motor died and had to get a refurbished one, then that one froze, so then i moved on to the tp2 which was great til the vibrate motor died on it too, and then same thing got a refurbished one. Guess what it froze too all the time. Even with mightyroms.

So here are my thoughts on this: is that htc hardware blows!

So yes they may update just a little faster then samsung, not by much, i remember the tp2 6.5 update from sprint, it took just as long if not longer for it to come out, I mean i think its the carrior that holds it up for there stupid mods. Not the company that made the phone.

Also let me point something out on htc phones: They ARE ALL MISSING SOMETHING HARDWARE WISE!!

Examples: 1. HTC Touch: No Flash, Slow processor

2.HTC Touch PRO: Slow Proccesor, Actually im surprised at this model, this actually got everything right, just a slow proccesor.

3. HTC Diamond: No Keyboard, Slow Processor, No Flash?? (not sure about the flash)

4. HTC Touch Pro 2: Slow Proccesor, No Flash,

EVO: Great Everything but guess what no keyboard!! Instead a frinkin kick stand!! Epic also has better quality camera.

Evo Shift: Smaller screen, slower processor, cmon htc WTF?

Epic: Everything on this is great, fastest phone out,keyboard, even tho a mp camera still a better quality, better look to0!!!

If samsung keeps releasing this kinda hardware, im sticking with them, im tired of htc leaving stuff out of there phones!!

Another note is samsung doesnt nand lock there phones and makes it easier to develop for there phones, and trying trying help the community.
[Epic 4G General] mrsbelpit:
My touch 3gs = mytouch 3g slide. Meaning keyboard. Does not have froyo. Piece of ****.

My touch 3g = mytouch 3g. Does have froyo. It came out in aug or so 2009. rec'd froyo oct-december 2010. not too ****ty, just old.

maybe you're thinking of the mytouch 4g, which launched with froyo, and is a nice phone.
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Do some research before you start argument.

MYTouch Slide 3gs is not Mytouch 3g plus keyboard,lol.

MTS3gs is completly different phone with new faster cpu,512mb ram and Sense Esspresso.

Froyo was released on October 2010.B I had that phone,use google before u post some sensless info.
[Epic 4G General] imwillzillla:
I agree evo and evo shift have had their fair share of issues. I think the problem lies with samsung is usually exaulted as the best phone of its time. The instinct was dubbed the iphone killer and the epic even by Sprint was touted to be superior to the Evo in every way. Yet the experience isn't really living up to the hype. Which is sad in a way because the Epic is trully a very good phone.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
I would have to disagree. The Epic running stock Eclair is better than the Evo running any custom rom.
[Epic 4G General] mrsbelpit:
You have no idea what you're talking about, you should probably google it. I did not imply it was the same phone with a keyboard, it's in the same line.

http://mytouch.t-mobile.com/mytouch-3g-slide-smartphone-overview

see where it says running on 2.1?

people who have that phone call it the mt3gs. my touch 3g slide. get it? It's an acronym

http://mytouch.t-mobile.com/mytouch-4g

here's the mt4g. froyo launched.

the mt3g is apparently no longer sold, but it is on froyo. it's here in the forum.

http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/myTouch-3G/bd-p/myTouch
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Man listen,i had MyTouch Slide 3GS and it came with 2.1 eclair.Two months later HTC released 2.2 froyo update for it.

Ok you are right about the name people call it MT3GS not MTS3GS.

And it does say that the phone is running 2.1-thats what its probably sold with till this day.

But nevertheless 2.2 OTA update was relesed October 2010,i know because I have received it.

It was just misunderstanding.

But that phone is a beast for a mid-range phone and performs as good as our Epic(due to lower resolution and better software).I replaced MT3GS with my Epic and first thing that came to mind was "Damn I think MT3GS ran 2.2 smoother than Epic",lol.Epic does have way more power and runs apps/games way better but as far as using android(pulling notification bar,drawer,page scroling,etc..) MT3GS was way smoother and lag-free.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Android Development] 31426857:
my english is not good......my touch pro use 24.01.11 DAndroid FRX04 system,i has been installed live wallpapers,but how to set or use??:confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze Android Development] R^7Z:
I wouldn't suggest it for a our devices. Maybe for a TP2, HD or HD2 or something else but I've not had very great experience with livewallpaper. However, I'm looking into it as we speak since Gingerbread is in alpha phase... :rolleyes:
[Milestone 2 General] saqus:
Hi,

I bought Motorola Milestone 2 from UK(probably) two days ago and so far everything was fine. I tested WiFi and other tools and it worked pretty well.

Today, I had some auto-reboots when I was using phone, phone usually stopped during starting... but it backs to normal. Then I was calling to my friend, and decided to "END CALL", but nothing happened (I was unable to close this calling 'menu'). During this other apps works fine (I checked browser), then I decided to TURN OFF the phone.

Now I have problems with turning it on, during start I see motorola's logo, then it blinks for a moment and finally screen turns 80% black (a bit brighter than black one, there is some light :D ). I can't turn off the phone using top button, I have to pull out the battery. When phone is connected to USB, small white diode is working and I can TURN OFF the phone (but I have still the same problem during start).

I tried removing SIM card, SD card, both of them, I don't have "recovery menu" when I am pressing down X key and turning POWER ON (same things happen) - maybe I am doing something wrong during pressing Xkey and power key(??). I have only ARROW UP + POWER ON bootloader menu.

I spent over 6hours for searching solution - no results so far.

What should I do? THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ANY SUGGESTIONS.

I logged to motoblur and my software version is 62.2.16.A953.Retail.en.GB.
[Milestone 2 General] XtriFe:
I dont have a milestone 2, i have the original milestone though, and to fix this id just have to load the screen that comes up when you press the UP button on the dpad (arrow). Then plug your phone to your PC, open RSD lite and once your device has been detected you go ahead and flash a stock SBF file.

Hope that helps
[Milestone 2 General] saqus:
Hi, I am thinking about it, I downloaded 5 different SBF files, but I am not sure which I should use in my motorola. I have it on my moto's box: SM, A953, GB, RETAIL, SLVR so it probably comes from UK.

Which version of RSD Lite should I use? I have

RSD Lite 4.9

MILS2_U6_2.2.19_SIGNED_UCAMILESTONE2B1B80E100A.0R_USXMILE20OPTAU_P022_A016_M006_HWp2a_Service1FF.sbf.gz

MILA2_U6_3.12.0_SIGNED_US1MILESTONE2RETBRB125LA016.0R_GSXMILETRETBRLA_P026_A009_M012_HWp2a_Service1FF.sbf.gz

MILS2_U6_2.2.16_SIGNED_UCAMILESTONE2B1B80E100A.0R_USXMILE20O2DE_P038_A015_HWp2a_Service1FF.sbf.gz

MILS2_U6_2.2.16_SIGNED_UCAMILESTONE2B1B80E100A.0R_USXMILE20RTDACH_P016_A005_HWp2a_Service1FF.sbf.gz

MILS2_U6_2.2.19_SIGNED_USAMILESTONE2B1B80VF00B.0R_USXMILE20VFAU_P032_A012_M005_HWp2a_Service1FF.sbf.gz

MILS2_U6_2.2.16_SIGNED_UCAMILESTONE2B1B80E100A.0R_UCXMILE20RTGB_P029_A007_HWp2a_Service1FF.sbf.gz

My next problem is when I connect my moto with USB cable, I have something like this in RSD Lite app:

IMEI/ESN/MEID: N / A

Technology: N / A

Software Version: N / A

Flex Version: N / A

Bootloader Version: v0x007012

DRM Version: N / A

AP Die ID: 27200210dc245f010000d8fe0300

BP Die ID: 0000000000000000000000000000

AP Public ID: 48caac38e2b174c29ad89848c7df4d1dd7a87422

BP Public ID: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Are N/A's okay? I do not want to destroy my phone after 2 days ;( (it's my 1st smarhphone)

edit: Well, I loaded the last SBF file and click START in RSD lite... - everythin was fine there but nothing happened with my phone, still the same problem. Any suggestions?
[Milestone 2 General] saqus:
BTW. What will happen if I install another SBF file (german one instead of GB?)
[Milestone 2 General] kiawey:
Will occur error halfway. You definitely need to flash the UK SBF rom. Follow below link http://megaupload.com/?d=Q29778GX

If you click the link and find out this message appear (The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later.) dun worry, try later. Is totally working. Just fix my unit just now with this UK SBF rom. Mine unit is bought from Clove, UK. Cheers...
[Milestone 2 General] saqus:
Hm, I downloaded this file already from another site & I used it - nothing happened.

I will test this version now.

What is a bit weird, when I plug the phone in socket, I can see battery level animation but still can't turn on the phone, nothing happens after motorola's logo.
[Milestone 2 General] kiawey:
Did you do it the right way? Mine unit auto turn on after finish flash the SBF rom. Then finally disconnect the usb cable.
[Milestone 2 General] saqus:
My moto also turn of after finish, but I see only motorola logo and then blank screen again...

Which version of RSD Lite should I use? I have 4.6 now.
[Milestone 2 General] dangpzanco:
Use version 4.9

Sent from my Milestone 2 XDA App
[Milestone 2 General] saqus:
I am uploading video right now with not working moto on Youtube :) You will show how amazing it is ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHIZlyt6y94

ENJOY ! :)
[Milestone 2 General] XtriFe:
Ill give you $300 for it. lol :P

Seriously though, its a matter of flashing the right SBF the right way. Find out how to get to the Bootloader on the milestone 2. On my milestone 1 all i have to do is keep the DPAD-UP button while turning the phone on.

Once you get there, plug your usb cable to your PC and RSD Lite will detect your phone which will let you flash your SBF file again. Id recommend flashing an UK stock one.

Also, have you installed the proper motorola USB drivers? remember you need to install the appropiate drivers depending on what OS you're using. (ie. Windows 7 x64, theres x64 motorola USB drivers you need to install)

I can imagine how sad you might be right now (after reading your comment on your youtube vid) :P but really, in my opinion, your phone is anything but permanently bricked :P

Let me know how that goes.

Good luck
[Milestone 2 General] r2beta0:
To start Milestone2 into bootloader mode you should turn the phone on while holding the Volume Down and Camera buttons together.
[Milestone 2 General] saqus:
Wow, it's second method I think. I used KPAD+UP + POWER and it is also working.

Do you know another method to open RECOVERY MENU (originally X+POWER ON)?

Can someone tell me is this information about device in RSD LITE is good? (my previous post, bolded part)

http://screenshotuploader.com/s/lFoNJoaXJvJ

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I used DPAD-UP + POWER ON and I had Bootloader menu.

I did it (with UK stuff).

I think Yes, I have 32bit version.

I have exam session right now and I am not thinking about this phone ;)

I think also it is bricked, but there is still a hope! :D

If nothing new happen during few days (no new ideas) I will send it to repair-service ( I've just received bill from my seller ).
[Milestone 2 General] XtriFe:
You've got to that RSDLite screen, seems like the program is detecting your phone ok. Go ahead and flash the UK ROM and see how it goes.
[Milestone 2 General] saqus:
I flashed it several times before! When it reboot whole system, I see moto logo and then the same problem - nothing after... :\
[Milestone 2 General] saqus:
Can anyone test something for me with milestone2?

Switch off the phone.

Hold X + POWER ON during the whole test (do not release keys!)

Will it stay on Motorola logo (when you release key it will open RECOVERY SCREEN)?

MY SELLER SAID THAT MY PHONE COMES FROM GERMANY (MOTOROLA'S SHOP FOR EMPLOYERS) BUT IT IS WITH ENGLISH SOFTWARE (and it obviously was). SHould I use another SBF file than GB?