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[Atrix 4G General] lorijuan1024:
here goes 2 of my speedtests on my iphone so i dont see why they would hold the speeds of the atrix down that is a big disappointment i really wanted this phone
[Atrix 4G General] d.cortez:
i don't have an Atrix (yet) but after flashing a Euro Desire HD ROM on my Inspire, i was able to get 4.9mbs down/1.3 up. i also flashed a rooted att stock Inspire ROM and was able to get 4.3 mbs down/1.3 mbs up. tried a different rooted att stock Inspire ROM and i could never get above 2.3 mbs down and .8 up. hope to be testing an Atrix Tuesday; will post my Atrix results then.
[Atrix 4G General] Sharkonwheels:
For those with a premier account:

https://www.wireless.att.com/busine...skuId=sku11062600040&activeTab=Specifications

They say on that link it's HSUPA, so if they're disabling HSUPA, that has to break some law, some where.

You can't say it has HSUPA, and then disable it, just like Dodge can't say it has a V8 Hemi, and then disable 2 cylinders.
[Atrix 4G General] s44:
I actually think this may be the most promising avenue.

With the bootloader signature I doubt we'll be able to swap around modems/kernels as we can on the Captivate.
[Atrix 4G General] phobos512:
Just in case someone at AT&T gets any bright ideas, I went ahead and saved the information to my Photobucket account.
[Atrix 4G General] Fixter:
So.... We start suing? :D $.$
[Atrix 4G General] dwd3885:
Email CEO in 3.2.1.
[Atrix 4G General] phobos512:
I contacted Consumerist and linked them the information I posted above, this thread, and information on the Inspire 4G that was posted on Engadget today which suffers from the same issue.
[Atrix 4G General] naturefreak85:
For those that don't have premier, this is straight from the premier site.
[Atrix 4G General] phobos512:
Already linked this a few posts back...
[Atrix 4G General] crimm2887:
My captivate with a custom rom would get ~1.55 Mbps upload, now with the atrix testing at the same location at the same time i cant even get close to .20, even the download speed cant break the 1Mbps mark. I have a strong feeling this phone is going to be heading back to AT&T
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
I smell lawsuits....Why offers a service that you are not providing AT&T ?
[Atrix 4G General] co.ag.2005:
Im not sure if this has been discussed, but what about adding the "ro.ril.hsxpa" , etc strings to the build.prop to see if hsupa gets enabled. The only reason I suggest this is from coming from a nexus one. When flashing some roms that were developed for the T-mobile N1. I know specifically when I would flash cyanogenmod roms, I had to edit the build.prop ro.ril.hsxpa value to enable hsupa on AT&T's network

Edit: im not sure if this is an htc thing or a N1 thing, but here is an example

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=9237982#post9237982
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
Couldn't this be solved with a proxyless custom APN?
[Atrix 4G General] Sharkonwheels:
Note that your first+last name, city, and zip are on that screenshot...
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
Hahhahahahhahhaaa (sorry I'm new to the forum I don't know if this counts as spam but if it does I'm sorry)
[Atrix 4G General] Sharkonwheels:
Actually, I'm telling you for your protection

:)
[Atrix 4G General] :
Doesn't help.

I pulled the sim from my galaxy tab and used the "broadband" apn with no proxies. No go. Sloooooooooooooooowwww.
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
So we either need to get a custom radio or Att/Moto need to push an update?
[Atrix 4G General] :
Well it could very well be AT&T throttling on it's end. There seems to be no confirmation from AT&T at this point. It very clearly shows on there premier site that it is a HSUPA phone so in theory it should be as fast uploading as an iPhone 4.

One hell of a 4G phone wouldn't you say? Don't even get what the iPhone 4 does yet we pay the same.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
If only I wasn't freeloading off my parents ATT service I would been on Verizon or sprint a loonnngg time ago.
[Atrix 4G General] :
Indeed. LTE (Verizon) will be in my market this year. I influence the family technical decisions so if AT&T hasn't stopped it's shenigans, the competition will be here. As it stands now, AT&T is still the fastest game in town here. And don't anyone bother saying wimax. Not even an option with the terrible battery life it gets.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] Sharkonwheels:
I have plans to have one tomorrow AM, so I can help test ideas.

Now...what to do with the Captivate :)

As to other carriers, some of us don't have options.

I travel to EU alot, and CDMA is MIA there.

Also, since my work phone is AT&T also, when I travel, I pop my work SIM into my android phone, so I can take advantage of the unlimited international data.

With ActiveSync for work emails, and still access to my stuff (GMail, Market, etc..) I get most on one device.

Only thing I lose is BBMessenger, but I'm not addicted to it, so not a big deal.
[Atrix 4G General] naturefreak85:
I was getting the screenshot and already had started writing this at the time, and the value in pointing such out?
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
Maybe you should give it to me so I can keep it safe :)
[Atrix 4G General] naturefreak85:
Appreciate such, fixed it, amusingly enough in that ZIP code there are about 20 people with my first and last name.....granted I don't live there anymore.
[Atrix 4G General] Sharkonwheels:
Hah! OK, sure - on it's way tomorrow ;)

I was more trying to think out loud...

The Captivate I bought cash off-contract, during the first day or two some stores had them incorrectly as $349.

Now I'm juggling whether to get the Atrix $199 w/contract and keep the captivate, or pay the $499 off contract, but then sell the Captivate.

Dunno.

Maybe $199 w/contract AND sell the Captivate, and put the money away for "the next great smartphone."

Decision, decisions.
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
Upgrade to iPhone 4, sell it for like 650-700 and then buy the Atrix off contract and you make a profit! Lol.
[Atrix 4G General] Sharkonwheels:
Ya lost me right there...

:D

I refuse to contribute a single penny to the coffers of that controlling Big-Brother fruit company...
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
Lol just an option.
[Atrix 4G General] Hachi_Roku:
I think it is a throttling issue not a software issue. I say this because I've noticed for the last month that I haven't been able to go above .9Mbps Up with my Motorola Milestone.

In January the highest I hit was 1.56Mbps up. My downloads have also been cut in half down to about 1.5Mbps and I don't even have an HSPA+ phone.
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
So I smell a lawsuit?
[Atrix 4G General] Sharkonwheels:
Is this also happening in those areas with HSPA+ AND the upgraded backhaul already in place?
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
Some guy reported 16mbps down and 1 Mbps up near Dallas which has a 4G market with Att
[Atrix 4G General] metaldood:
I live in Bay area which is 4G market but speed sucks atleast on Inspire 4G. I tested it in store.

While I got 3 down and 1 up on Samsung Galaxy tab!
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
Somethings definitely up with AT&T.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
It is not throttling issue. Take the SIM out and put it in an iPhone and you will see you are getting full speed.

They are somehow crippling the device.

Our only hope would be to look at the Bell model build.prop and compare the difference, try the Bell radio (if possible) or the entire Bell firmware.
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
I will definitely try the SIM card swap tomorrow..
[Atrix 4G General] Sharkonwheels:
Wonder if they're throttling by IMEI ? Or throttling all except fruit IMEIs?
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
Highly unlikely sine a captivate with a custom Rom is uncapped
[Atrix 4G General] :
Well the sim card put into my galaxy tab is getting over 1 mbit. Doesn't seem to the sim anyhow.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
Yea everything points to a software setting or the actual radio crippling.

I am going to dig into this when i get the device.
[Atrix 4G General] mikeku:
are this great speeds?

I don't know why you get so slow connections it is a cell or a network problem ?... on t-mobile (i switch now to simple mobile) i get 5Mb downloads and around 3Mb uploads average
[Atrix 4G General] leadguy68:
No improvements from anyone yet?
[Atrix 4G General] kgeissler:
I work in downtown Dallas and ran speedtest 3 times with the following results:

Test 1: Down:353, Up 118

Test 2: Down:800, Up 120

Test 3: Down:862, Up 103

:(
[Atrix 4G General] ram130:
That's reversed..
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
Is there anyone here with the AT&T tethering plan ($45/mo) that can confirm or deny faster upload speeds?
[Atrix 4G General] jankyboy:
I have the teathering plan and speeds are on par with those seen on non-teathering plans. I haven't cracked anything higher than 100kbps up.
[Atrix 4G General] jkrohn:
I also have the tethering plan. Went from 3M down/1.5M up on my N1 to 3M down / 0.3M up on the atrix.

This doesn't change, same speeds in the laptop dock. Same speeds with wifi tether enabled as well.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
OK i have been digging all day into this with no luck.

I tried to change several things in the build.prop file with no luck.

The limitation is probably in the radio itself and we will need to try and find a new radio for this model.
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
Hopefully when the Atrix launches on bell in Canada we can use the files from that to help with this situation.
[Atrix 4G General] pcmike:
Alright, I'm experiencing the same exact issue. Speeds appear to be limited 0.3mbps for me as well. However, I can confirm that this issue still exists even if your account is provisioned with the iPhone Data Unlimited plan no matter which APN you use. I called into AT&T and spoke with a data rep who went ahead and put my iPhone 4's IMEI in the system and then put me back on the iPhone data plan and we tested the speeds (and of course I switched in between all the APNs too) and nothing changed.

At least I can now swap my cut SIM in between both phones at will... but the data on the Atrix still blows in comparison.
[Atrix 4G General] Papi4baby:
Engadget had an article about it.

Hopefully this will light a fire under ATT.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/23/atandts-brewing-hsupa-gate-the-inside-story/
[Atrix 4G General] FNugget:
How have the other "4G" phones fared on other networks?

An alarming difference ought to be killer to AT&T.
[Atrix 4G General] krkeegan:
Response from ATT Customer Support

Just for fun, I sent ATT the following question in a customer support email:

This is the response I received:

Not really very surprising, but still very annoying.
[Atrix 4G General] perdurabo2:
Talk about customer non-service. The last paragraph is the big kicked where her form letter states she hopes you're satisfied and that all your issues have been resolved. Now I understand why AT&T gets crappy customer service ratings.
[Atrix 4G General] s1mpd1ddy:
lol i just was on the phone talking to att technical support about my crappy 4g speeds.

The reason they gave me why I didn't get 4G speeds was because I wasn't on the 4G data plan because I'm on the grandfathered unlimited 3G data plan and that in order to get 4G speeds I need to switch my plan.

Bull sh1t excuse. I really like this Atrix phone but this customer service rep really grinded my gears...... I may have to return this.
[Atrix 4G General] :
As you may or may not have already read, there is an unlimited 4G data plan for us grandfathered unlimited users. Call back, get provisioned for the "not really 4g" $30 unlimited data plan and the complain to tech support again. I would like to hear their excuse once you are provisioned correctly.

Ask them why your friends iPhone 4 can upload 4 times faster too while your at it.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
Heya. Just tried my speed test. 2 megs down, 300 kbs up. This is with the H+ showing and the apn used for mobile hotspot. I have the unlimited plan.

Spring Hill, Florida
[Atrix 4G General] :
That's 4G didn't ya know?

I love AT&T's commercial about how the AT&T user gets the "joke" before the other mobile users. What they didn't show is it took 4 times longer to send than other networks!
[Atrix 4G General] Hachi_Roku:
My speeds seem better today 2Mbps up and 1.3Mbps down.

I am in Brooklyn, NY. I am also curious if any one else is experiencing better speeds this week.
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
I got the same answer then complained. Received a 4G unlimited plan with messaging for the same price as my 3g unlimmited plan. Same speeds nothing changed as far as speed
[Atrix 4G General] AJerman:
That's good HSPA speed (aside from the disabled HSUPA of course). Your area isn't a 4G area yet.
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
I am heading to AT&T with my Atrix to ask them why they capped the speeds lol
[Atrix 4G General] psufan5:
How is this not a law suit? We are paying the same amount as iPhone users, but get 1/10th the speed on a phone that should be able to handle more power.

How is this not going into a class action by now?! ATT seems to just ignore it...
[Atrix 4G General] AJerman:
You're going to waste your time and gas. Do you honestly think anyone working at a retail store can tell you anything about it and even begin to be right?

For the millionth time, because they never promised you anything that they didn't deliver.
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
I would surmise the case would rely on ones ability to provide emperical proof that there is a cap. How would one proove this.
[Atrix 4G General] :
I doubt a lawsuit will do anything or that anyone on this board will actually retain legal council but it clearly says on the AT&T Premiere site that this phone is HSUPA 5.76 and it has clearly been disabled.

There's your evidence for what it's worth.
[Atrix 4G General] AJerman:
I think quite the opposite. You would have to prove that they said it DIDN'T have a cap, or told you speeds you should be getting that you are not. I could easily prove that HSUPA is disabled, at least on the Captivate. The modem doesn't have HSUPA code in it.

Is this a public site that you could post a link to? I am at what I believe to be the premier site and I don't see that anywhere. I'd be curious to see that since I've never seen AT&T mention HSUPA this phone or the Captivate, even on the small print specs on the box.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
Wrong.

They did promised a "4G" phone and they sell it a "4G" phone with a "4G" data plan.

4G is a standard not just for download speeds, but for upload speeds as well.

This is clearly false advertising if the carrier deliberately cripple the upload speed and sell it as 4G...
[Atrix 4G General] AJerman:
4G, as we've seen, has no real definition. The actual ITU accepted definition of 4G is 100 Mbps, which obviously no carrier in the US offers right now. Until there is a law that defines 4G as a minimum required speed, it's just a marketing term that means absolutely nothing. Until you see them say "This phone will get at minimum 10 Mbps", then you have nothing to fall back on. You're just falling into the marketing hype. Even when they do mention speeds, they mention what the phone is CAPABLE of, not what it will get. I have yet to see the Captivate or Atrix even advertised as HSUPA. HSDPA, yes, but not HSUPA. That's why I'm interested in what jmacdonald said above about the premier site saying HSUPA, because if it did, then there would actually be a leg to stand on for it being disabled.
[Atrix 4G General] :
Jesus, it's in this very thread! But since you're posting in it, Let me help you.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=955933&page=11 Lookat post 102.

Looks to me like they may have taken the page down or modified it since then.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] HarleyDude:
I'm pretty sure the ITU relaxed the definition of 4G to include HSPA+ since it is faster than WiMAX revision 1 which Sprint has been calling 4G for over a year. T-Mobile started referencing their network as 4G which really left AT&T no choice but to also call their HSPA+ network 4G as well even though the original plan was to not use that term until the LTE launch this summer.
[Atrix 4G General] AJerman:
My apologies for not reading 150+ posts because I should have known it was posted here, but thank you for linking me to it. I had tried to check the page myself and saw a page that listed HSDPA but not HSUPA, so you're probably right and they've since modified it.

Still, as you agreed with, even if they had said it had HSUPA, a lawsuit would likely do little other than make them update their pages to remove mention to HSUPA, as they seem to have already done. A lawsuit isn't going to force them to support HSUPA or pay anyone anything since there aren't any real damages.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an AT&T Android user too and am annoyed at that fact that they disable HSUPA as well, but we went through this over and over again when the Captivate came out and there's nothing that a lawsuit is going to do to change it. They aren't doing anything illegal by disabling HSUPA unless they do advertise it like that, and then, like I said a lawsuit is only going to force them to remove mention of HSUPA, or at most, allow people to return the phone for a different one if they aren't happy, which any Atrix user can already do since it's still within 30 days.

The bottom line is, AT&T's business practices may be ****ty in this manner, but the only thing we can do about it is complain to them and hope they change it, or go to a different carrier.

I just searched for it and it looks like you're right. I had read through some Wikipedia pages regarding the matter a few days ago and it wasn't updated to reflect that.

Still, I think the biggest issue is going to be that the press released where they loosened their definition states "other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed". There's no hard numbers to really define speeds, so as long as the signal is HSPA+, they can probably get away with just about whatever speeds they want. Additionally, I don't think an ITU definition would stand up as any more than a guideline. Unless there's an actual law that defines 4G technologies and speeds, I don't think courts would take action based upon it. I could be wrong because I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think an international organization's definition would be taken as a law in US courts.
[Atrix 4G General] pfaction:
You can't even begin to compare your speeds to mine.
[Atrix 4G General] Scott ISH:
Probably not, since the shot is so blurry I can't even tell if it's showing Kbps or Mbps.
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
Let's start a groubal petition...Anyone ?
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
Anything that might help.
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
We used groubal around black friday against Frys and buy.com and it worked big time. News channels got involved and it worked. Writing isn't my forte so it will be awesome if someone could write a nice and concise letter and I will post it...AT&T should be held accountable !
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
This is what I came up with, please let me know if anyone wants to enter or if the text below is okay:

"I am one of many people who got excited about the new Motorola Atrix 4G phone when AT&T advertised that they will be carrying it. The Atrix 4G is a powerful phone and has a lot of great features. Unfortunately, since owning this phone I have been experiencing very slow data speeds and have been losing the Internet connection especially in times when I really needed to find directions or look up information. I have contacted AT&T and was told that everything is fine and that the network in my area is working the way it is supposed to.

This is what I asked AT&T: Why would the Motorola Atrix 4G, advertised as the most powerful phone in the market, register poorer data speeds than other less powerful phones? Why would AT&T advertise as being a 4G phone while it doesn't perform as good as a 3G phone?

I am using Groubal to try to get AT&T and Motorola’s attention about this matter because I couldn't find any other way to do so....There are so many unhappy paying customers out there and we want to be heard and our phones to work."

"
[Atrix 4G General] Redbull3636:
What I dont understand is, im seeing a lot of people saying its not a big deal they crippled HSUPA. How is this not a big deal. First ATT is telling everyone with an Atrix that they are getting H+ speeds which makes us believe that its 4g. Obviously that's not the case its just 3G. but crippled 3G. So maybe ATT enables HSUPA later when their network is actually 4g instead of lying to us. but what doesnt make sense is why are we getting crippled 3g? clearly we are all just getting 3g! or am I not understanding something? let me know
[Atrix 4G General] zephxiii:
yea, disabling HSUPA IS a big deal since it negatively affects latency, downlink throughput....and obviously uplink throughput.

They can't advertise this phone as HSPA+ or even HSPA because to be either you have to have HSDPA and HSUPA.

We shall see in march whether this all gets fixed with their official HSPA+ launch.
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
I don't own the dock and I was wondering if you can tether with these slow upload speeds ?
[Atrix 4G General] kgeissler:
I wonder if AT&T did something to cap the speeds recently. I pulled out my old N1 and looked at the history of my speedtests. On 2/14/11 I got 2996 down and 1335 up, on 2/20/11, 2785 down and 1253 up...today 3345 down and 339 up. Ran it a second time and got 3119 down and 304 up.

My N1 was flying on upload speeds and now all of a sudden I am capped. WTF?
[Atrix 4G General] Fixter:
I filed a claim with the BBB 5 days ago and I got a called from the Executive Director's Office for Customer Support of At&t. I spent 3 hours explaining him the situation and after all that what he told me was very reasonable, new device, new technologies and sometimes things dont work perfectly fine. And what I had to explained to him was too. So we ended with a nice agreement of 3 months of free service to see if by then my speeds had increase. :)
[Atrix 4G General] azwildfire:
I am on my 4th atrix - each time I root i loose adb access and the last phone worked until I tried the adux rom - regardless this store was up front and said 4g wouldnt work until they got in 4g sim cards. They also said they don't expect 4g sim cards until May. The fact they were up front about the 4g speeds (I asked if it was as fast as the iphone and played dumb) was encouraging that perhaps that is the issue...

who knows.
[Atrix 4G General] :
Plenty of us have 4G sims. They came with the phone. Although it really doesn't matter. Plenty of us have also been provisioned with the 4G specific data plan, unlimited or limited. None of this has fixed the upload speed. I don't think anyone would be complaining if it didn't seem like the iPhone 4 users were getting special treatment a.k.a unrestricted upload speed. It's not even a 4G issue.

I could care less if I ever see 6Mbit download. I want more than .2Mbit up for video calls. I want lower pings and more responsive web page loads that come along with good upstream speed. I want what iPhone 4 users get in terms of speed, on my so called 4G phone. I want the same level of service they get even though I pay what they pay.

-James
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] .hide:
currently i am using shubcraft (under my siggy)SD boot and superam 1.5 ram which i have problem with data.img corrupted after a reboot. it will jus revert to the screen where we 1st boot up. select lanaguages etc. this problem really annnoy me which i had need to spend 30 to 60 mins just to restore back up using titanium . what is the right way to reboot to not cause corrupted data.img or it jus plain of luck to got it?

the radio and kernal i am using for shubcraft is on my siggy as for superam i am using is this with rom Super Ram 1.5

thanks for reading and appreciate any reply and solution .

regards

ren