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[Atrix 4G General] rickf2usa:
...Just 1 more case in point

I just sent my Atrix back to ATT...highly disappointed. I too was curious/excited about finally owning "4G" device...so I tested it, and tested it, and tested it! I could not fully grasp the level of WTF I was feeling as I did so. I used every speed/network test I could get my hands on...for 2 full days! Not a single one reported over 1.4m - 1.8m dwn & 240k - 360k up!! My HD2 consistently outperformed that by 2.5m & 1.2m on 3G !! HD2 results were on TMOUS, but hey they all have the same tech....and the same money...ATT&T just refuses to use theirs & most likely has something to do with declining popularity & resources. Coldy Slapping their customers in the face with "clear intentional lies" & "misdirection" will probably finish them off all together....this time.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
You're just preaching to the choir now.
[Atrix 4G General] Jim_R:
I'm a little confused about all of the focus on HSUPA rather than HSPA+ (or rather AT&T's HSPA 7.2). From an AT&T Public Policy document published in 2008, I found the following:

"The company also will complete the nation's first High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA)-enabled network by the middle of the year. This advanced network delivers typical downlink speeds ranging between 600 and 1,400 kilobits per second (Kbps), as well as faster uplink speeds ranging from 500 and 800 kilobits per second (Kbps)."

Doesn't sound so fast to me, give me HSPA 7.2 or HSPA+. Anyway, here's the link to the Boy Genius article with AT&T's response on upload capping:

http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/11/att-r...data-speeds-confirms-atrix-4g-will-get-hsupa/

I'm guessing it was posted previously, but am too lazy to go back and check. :p

The article confirms that testing is going on now, and HSUPA will be rolled out to the ATRIX in the near future.
[Atrix 4G General] zizo79:
Good news

http://androidforums.com/motorola-atrix-4g/289470-bell-atrix-canada-2.html#post2432323
[Atrix 4G General] dlazer:
Some of the decision makers at Motorola should have a read of this article:

arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/03/the-carriers-are-not-your-customers-the-windows-phone-7-update-mess.ars

Just replace 'Microsoft' with 'Motorola', and replace 'Windows Phone 7' with 'Atrix 4G', then you'll have an very good description of the position Motorola is putting themselves in.
[Atrix 4G General] co.ag.2005:
Fyi,

http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/201...pa-software-upgrade-according-to-fcc-filings/

Maybe Motorola/AT&T will follow suit for the Atrix?

(If this has already been posted, I apologize)
[Atrix 4G General] willzzz88:
The rumor I read is that not all AT&T's towers (mainly rural) are on 3GPP R7 yet which is needed for HSPA+ which obviously constitutes the HSUPA part of it. BTW once HSPA+ with the backhaul the network is capable of 21.6M down categories (see 3GPP wikipedia page or 3gpp.org if you want engineering) and 5.76M up.

The other fact that AT&T wants HSPA+ is that HSPA+ allows AT&T to increase voice capacity by 25-30% by using a more efficient coding algorithms on the chip-set.
[Atrix 4G General] zephxiii:
The Atrix is getting HSUPA in April!

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/25/atandt-says-atrix-4g-inspire-4g-will-have-hsupa-enabled-in-april/

HSUPA came out in Release 6, and the iPhone 4 (as well as the Nexus 1) has been working just fine with HSUPA.
[Atrix 4G General] aphexacid:
I put my iPhone 4 next to the inspire and atrix at the AT&T store, and my iPhone 4 blew both phones out of the water. Att is full of ****.
[Atrix 4G General] Squeak22:
If it's true, then yes. All we have now is conjecture based upon a couple of tests in New York, which has really ****ty AT&T coverage. Getting this worked up over rumors is bad for your health! :)
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
I live in Florida, right in the middle of the "4G" and I've always had good service from AT&T (currently on a 3GS). I'm interested in what my speeds will be on Tuesday once I upgrade.

And yes, New York has horrible AT&T coverage. I'll definitely be doing a speed test once I get it, though.
[Atrix 4G General] Squeak22:
Oh me too. And I have an HSUPA modem in my captivate to compare to.
[Atrix 4G General] dwd3885:
if this is true, then would we be able to get around it by downloading a new modem.bin? Or could it be correctable?
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
With a locked bootloader, probably not.
[Atrix 4G General] Squeak22:
Motorola has alot more balls about this kinda thing than Samsung does. They wouldn't put up with their new flagship device being neutered in this way.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
That remains to be seen.

So far all the reviews out there are stating the same thing - so don't get your hopes up.

I really don't understand why at&t just insist on providing bad user experience over and over and over again. Ralph de la Vega has got to go.
[Atrix 4G General] FLAC Vest:
I have heard something like this before; only the iPhone getting HSUPA. However n the same post the commenter stated that certain rooted phones actually get HSUPA; I currently have a rooted (ROMed) captivate and using it last week I got

3.X megs down and 1.5 megs up; multiple times; and I also have a H under the up and download arrows indicating the signal.
[Atrix 4G General] aphexacid:
Here's an example:

I just took this screen capture. I'm in a neighborhood with notoriously bad reception. You see 3 bars in the picture, but a second before that it was 1.

Look at my download vs upload. This is my point about the videos I keep seeing. One video had full signal and max upload was like 300 Kbps. So by me getting what I got with horrid signal, that leads me to believe that either all the people that have done speed tests don't have hspa+ rolled out in their area, which I believe is complete most everywhere by now.

OR, AT&T is limiting ****.

What do you guys think?

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[Atrix 4G General] naturefreak85:
I've seen so many different things that people have said about the Upload being capped. I have an N1 and I've seen people state that AT&T phones only connect to HSDPA by standard, yet when I check my status I live in an HSDPA area. I get comparable speeds on my N1 or my Backflip. When I go into phone status both say HSDPA. I remember running a speedtest on the Inspire and got comparable speeds to my N1. I'll check tomorrow as well.

Either way what I have noticed is that my Upload speeds tend to get "capped" on the backflip midday. If I try early in the morning or late at night I tend to pull off a 1-2 MB upload. It also does depend on the server.

Lately I've actually noticed a glitch in the speedtest.net application. When I run a speedtest (On the N1) I will actually start with a 3 meg connection and out of the blue it drops down to 1.5 for no reason. Same thing happened on my backflip. Switched to the FCC application and I received consistent speeds. Keep in mind my location, quite a few things could factor in though.
[Atrix 4G General] naturefreak85:
Really? The way I see it is that H would mean HSPA not slower. I don't mean to be a naysayer but where is the proof of such that H means slower in baseband compared to an H. Especially since you are comparing 2 different devices with 2 different radios. The baseband will not match up. Remember also the N1 maxes out at a 7.2 HSPA radio whereas the Inspire is a 14.4 (maybe 21) HSPA radio. Thus making it a different model.
[Atrix 4G General] naturefreak85:
You can get a general idea of what you will get at least by going to a store and trying out the Inspire 4G
[Atrix 4G General] s.m.knipe:
The only place AT&T has announced that 4G is fully live yet is Columbus, Ohio. So if someone lives there or close to there they can test it for us. Everywhere else does not have the backhaul in place yet at the cell sites to support the HSPA+ additional bandwidth, meaning that the new phones will show an "H" if they are on HSDPA (3G, 4G is HSPA+) and have 3G-esque speeds until the backhaul is in place and switched on. There are also reports from Getaphixx (who's demo phone gave us the ROM dump and eventually root) of getting in the ballpark of 6-7 mbps down briefly, like they are testing parts of the network.

As for the HSUPA, yes it is disabled, and I am sure at some point we (XDA) will find some way of getting it rectified now that we have root access to the system files...
[Atrix 4G General] phillycreamboy:
Everyone tip Engadget and get them to do a post on the topic and get an official word from AT&T. This is crazy!
[Atrix 4G General] ram130:
lol just did.........
[Atrix 4G General] Joelpatrick:
AT&T doesn't have a "4G" plan at the moment. The Atrix will work under the existing data plans. I ordered it and kept my grandfathered-in unlimited data. I don't expect this to change until actual LTE devices are released on AT&T.
[Atrix 4G General] jeremy81:
Actually they do:

DataPro 2GB for HSPA+/4G Smartphones
[Atrix 4G General] hagalah:
My Inspire shows H+ in my living area (San Jose, CA). But the speed is only around 2.5MB / 0.5MB. So I suspect that even the phone showed H+, it still run under a normal 3G mode at this time until AT&T rolls out the real HSPA+ network on March or April.
[Atrix 4G General] s.m.knipe:
Yes, exactly. Some European markets use H to denote 3G. People are flipping out over nothing, in my opinion...
[Atrix 4G General] nowise:
I live in Columbus and just got my Atrix. I am getting about 1500kbps down and an abysmal 150kbps up. This was consistent both in the store, outside and at my house. I can post a screenshot as soon as I figure out how :)
[Atrix 4G General] miztic:
I just tested with my T-mobile G1, a 2 year old phone,

after a reboot I'm getting:

4.1Mbps down/616 kbps up

3.9Mbps down/585 kbps up

My new atrix should show up in a few hours, I'll test and see what that thing gets.
[Atrix 4G General] Papi4baby:
What phone did you have before and what speeds were you getting out of it.

Thanks.
[Atrix 4G General] nowise:
I had a iPhone 3GS, got between 1000-2000 down and around 250 up, from looking at my speedtest history.
[Atrix 4G General] Ririal:
I feel it's worth pointing out (since nobody has so far, unless you did, in which case I missed it :P) that the term "4G" being used by all major carriers everywhere, does not mean 4G. It doesn't even mean LTE. It means nothing. Whatever the carrier decides to call their network at the time.

engadget.com/2011/01/17/2g-3g-4g-and-everything-in-between-an-engadget-wireless-prim/

This article does a pretty good job of explaining the whole thing. AT&T could legally start calling their 3G network 4G and nobody could do anything about it. Look at what T-Mobile did, they're claiming HSPA+ is 4G.

engadget.com/2010/10/21/itu-lays-down-law-wimax-2-lte-advanced-are-4g-everyone-else-i/

Unfortunately, the ITU doesn't really have any legal authority. They're just setting up a naming convention, and it's up to the carriers to decide whether or not to use it.

tl;dr - 4G doesn't mean anything. Don't expect 4G speeds just because it says 4G in the name.
[Atrix 4G General] jkrohn:
This has less to do with what is 4G and more to do with AT&T intentionally keeping phones off of certain aspects of their network.

Example :

My Nexus One pulls 3M down, 1.3M up

My Captivate pulls 3M down, .3M up - the HSUPA radio is disabled by AT&T.

Both on the same network in my house using the same wap.cingular APN. If you flash a different radio to the Captivate you get HSUPA service just fine on a Captivate.

So the million dollar question is, will AT&T ship the Atrix with HSUPA disabled in the radio? If so an APN adjustment won't do a single thing.

I'll find out tomorrow when I go get one and will be returning it if that is the case.
[Atrix 4G General] Fixter:
This was answered.... Yesterday I think? I've been doing tests for two days now.
[Atrix 4G General] alphadog00:
My Atrix gets the same speeds as any other 3G phone i have had:

1.9 - 2.5 MB/S download

256K upload

It is dissapointing that the only indicator appears to be the H+ - It could be my area doesn't see faster speeds, but i really have no way to know.
[Atrix 4G General] Ririal:
Yeah, I understand. There were a few people who seemed to hang on to the 4G moniker, was just clarifying that.

I personally don't care either way, I"m not greedy. I just enjoy the fact I have full unrestricted access to the internet wherever I am. :) I have an iPhone 4 right now, and I want an Atrix for the "all-in-one" properties it has. AT&T coverage in Chicagoland is quite good and save a few dead zones (for any carrier), I don't really have any issues with speed. I can stream Netflix just fine even over 1.5Mb down, which is what I generally get while driving. I haven't seen any promises of down/up speeds from AT&T on their "4G" network. HSPA+ scales pretty well and I don't doubt will see some nice speeds in the coming months. Patience is key (not directed toward anyone in particular).
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
Yes it has been answered but is there actual proof?

So far i have read that changing the APN would solve this but no one actually confirmed it, showed a screenshot or maybe a youtube video to get rid of all doubts.
[Atrix 4G General] Fixter:
I cant get screenshots. No screenshot app is working. I'll take pictures in a few.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
Thanks Fixter.

I simply find it hard to believe the solution would be THAT easy.

On the captivate and Galaxy Tab you had to flash different radio to get HSUPA to work.
[Atrix 4G General] s44:
Outdated misinfo. ITU now agrees that HSPA+, current LTE, and current WiMax are 4G.

Devices with its original definition of "4G" are years and years away.

(Pardon my following up an OT threadcrap.)
[Atrix 4G General] nowise:
I still cant figure out the screenshot apps so I took a pic with my old iPhone, lol. The ones from earlier are in the ATT store, the other is outside the mall.
[Atrix 4G General] Fixter:
Yeah, I get something like that too. But I'm able to get like 1.1 to 1.5 download and 600 to 700 upload. But that SERIOUSLY depends on where are you standing. For example, where I am the signal is good but the speeds are BAD, where areas like in the town center I could get 1.1 download and 800 upload.
[Atrix 4G General] MeX_DK:
My phone has:

G: For a regular old fashioned GPRS connection

E: For a slightly faster EDGE connection

3G: For regular UMTS cover

H: For HSDPA/HSUPA cover.

And yes I am living in the europe, but thankfully AT&T is not operating here >_>
[Atrix 4G General] alphadog00:
Do you have an Atrix or another phone?
[Atrix 4G General] luckeb:
3G is generally shown in a network that does not broadcast that it is HSDPA capable in the system information and the UE is not assigned a HS RAB.

H is generally shown if the network includes the HSDPA Cell Indicator Information Element in the SIB5 that indicates HS. This info element is optional in Rel5 but is mandatory in Rel6. H is also generally shown if the UE is assigned a HS RAB even if the Cell Indicator Info Element is not broadcasted.

This is a general rule of thumb, YMMV...
[Atrix 4G General] alphadog00:
Those of us that flashed i9000 roms (EU) on our AT&T Captivate got an H signal and never a 3G. My wife's phone only shows H (Sony flip phone) and my guess is that the Atrix will only show an H - because i see it and there is no 4G in my area yet.
[Atrix 4G General] alphadog00:
According to this story - only a few cities that have the backhaul connections in place get 4G:

http://www.iphonedownloadblog.com/2011/02/21/att-now-showing-4g-hspa-coverage-map/

They state that the iPhone is not 4G capable, so somehow AT&T is differentiating 4G from just HSUPA

The current cities that support 4G speeds are:

* Bay Area, CA

* Los Angeles, CA

* NorCal, CA

* Houston, TX

* Dallas, TX

* Chicago, IL

* Baltimore, MD

* Buffalo, NY

* Boston, MA

* Providence, RI

* Charlotte, NC

* Puerto Rico

iClarified reports,

“Currently, the list is limited because it only includes the full cities which have undergone the backhaul upgrade. AT&T has deployed HSPA+ to 100% of the network, but if the site you are connected to does not have “enhanced backhaul” you will not be able to take advantage of 4G speeds.”
[Atrix 4G General] bmvik:
you have to have 4G sim card and also your account must be provisioned in the system with a new 4G feature code.

I work for ATT.

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[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Which SUCKS when you think about it.... because the majority of us will probably have already had the Atrix and upgraded to another new phone before we see a nationwide 4G even CLOSE to their current 3G offerings. Hell, The town i live in just hit 3G right around this past holiday season sometime.
[Atrix 4G General] metaldood:
Even in San Jose I am getting crap speeds of 200 when I tested Inspire 4G in the store yesterday. I will check on Atrix tomorrow in store.
[Atrix 4G General] Fixter:
Thanks for this and they set up a new featured code and the phone is working AMAZING. More than 1.1M of upload ALWAYS.
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
I'm using my iPhone 4 microsim with an iPhone data plan and everything is working totally fine.

So, i'm going to disagree.
[Atrix 4G General] computermilk:
Huh? provisioned with a 4G feature code? How do we accomplish this? do we need to call in??
[Atrix 4G General] bmvik:
disagree with what? iphone is not what we are talking about. we are talking about new "4G" android phones. there is a new feature code for provisioning purposes specifically for those devices. And there is one that is unlimited 4G feature code, so dont worry about losing unlimited data feature.

And yes you gonna have to call in to customer care to get that changed if it didnt already automatically AND you have to have a 4G sim.
[Atrix 4G General] richB7:
Still 1.1 is kind of slow. I guess it's an improvement over your initial speeds but come on, that's some expensive bandwidth. 1.1 on an advertised 4g?

sent from my Ginger EVO
[Atrix 4G General] :
Only one person confirmed getting over 1mbit or anything close to it?

I have the $30 Smartphone Personal data plan that is unlimited. I just called AT&T and they said I wouldn't see any enhanced speeds unless I shelled out for the full $45 tethering plan. He also said the 4G network wasn't going to be launched until summer and mentioned LTE. He didn't specifically mention upload and didn't really seem too knowlegable since LTE has nothing to do with the Atrix.

Would be nice to get some more information on this.

Not paying $45 for what the iPhone 4 users pay $30 for.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] hammondhui:
now you get 1.1M upload, how about download? does it get improved after you have the new feature code?
[Atrix 4G General] :
Are you an upgrader, did you have the original $30 Smartphone Personal data plan or the new full on $25 Two GB or $45 tether plan?

-James
[Atrix 4G General] ilkevinli:
Ive have not got over 300 kbps upload while using the Atrix. When I put the sim in my iphone 4 I get over 1 meg. So I have come to the conclusion that the modified APN does NOT work.
[Atrix 4G General] :
+1 with Nexus One.
[Atrix 4G General] bmvik:
for Pete's sake! here...... - feature code is HSDPPB ..... its unlimited data for HSPA + devices

the prior feature code is still in the system, it is 30/mo and unlimited, its just not for HSPA+ devices. If you had that unlimited before, you can be grandfathered in, but to get provisioned correctly for higher speeds you need to have new HSDPPB in place of older feature, I cant recall the actual code letters.
[Atrix 4G General] :
You are posting in the other thread but here...

Correct feature code added. Uploads are still garbage. .20.

Nexus One could hit 1.6Mbit up.

When I put the sim card back in the Nexus One and use the "phone" apn. Wouldn't you know it? I lost my fast upload speed.

What AT&T giveth it taketh away.

I'm not pleased that iPhone users are "allowed" fast upload and I'm not with a $30 unlimited plan.

This is what I get for signing another 2 year contract. Won't happen next time.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] svengalis:
Are you guys really suprised by the speeds? Did you not read the engadget review?
[Atrix 4G General] zephxiii:
That is strange, i am using the "phone" apn on the N1 that i have and i have HSUPA. I have the iphone unlimited data package though..
[Atrix 4G General] :
I am not surprised. I am surprised by anyone saying that they can get over 384k, closer to 1mbit upload on the Atrix.

I don't beleive it. Except maybe if you have the teather plan.

At least in salt lake, something seems to be real fishy, because when I was using the N1 with the wap.cingular apn yesterday, there was no issue getting over 1mbit up.

ALSO... no issue on the Galaxy Tab that used the "broadband" apn that I have put an HSUPA modem file on.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] driver183:
I have a rooted inspire 4g using leedroid 2.0 and fixed "stock" ATT kernel and I get 3+ now down 2+ up mbps in hillsboro mo (about 40 miles south of stl) before the rooting I was lucky to push 1 mbps down and 300 inpatient up
[Atrix 4G General] ilkevinli:
Can you go into a little detail on exactly what you did ?
[Atrix 4G General] MacAlert:
IIRC, 4G is not live in NYC yet.
[Atrix 4G General] graemegb:
im getting 3.76Mbps down and .4Mbps up
[Atrix 4G General] :
This won't help you. There is some software called a "modem" that Inspire users can flash to their device to enable HSUPA.

We would need modem software specifically for the Atrix to help us. It may not even be the device itself that has been disabled and it may just be AT&T throttling uplooad on there end.

It is not confirmed as at least one persons seems to be getting over 1mbit in upload.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] ilkevinli:
No but we get well over 1 meg upload. At least with the iphone 4.
[Atrix 4G General] :
And you do because there was enough public outcry that AT&T fixed some software causing issues to allow you to do so.

Perhaps enough people will complain about these so called AT&T 4G Android phones that AT&T will fix upload for them too.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] ilkevinli:
There is a way to mod the software on the phone to open up the connection. Thats why all the custom ROMS all enable HSUPDA. I don't know enough to do it. We need some of the more advanced members. :)
[Atrix 4G General] :
It's possible that we'll get the modem from the Canadian version that probably won't be crippled. Otherwise, I hope something can be done.
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
If you are rooted, please try this:

go to /system/build.prop

Find the line where it says:

persist.ril.modem.mode=2

Change the value to 0, reboot check connection status and report back.

Change the value to 1, reboot check connection status and report back.

Change the value to 3, reboot check connection status and report back.

Change the value to 4, reboot check connection status and report back.

I will be getting my phone tomorrow, but if someone wants to test if one of those modes unlocks HSUPA that will be great.

**You do this at your own risk!!
[Atrix 4G General] Sharkonwheels:
Considering it's part of the online specs for the Atrix '4G', on AT$T's website, is it legal for them to disable HSUPA?

I figure they gotta be breaking SOME law, by advertising HSDPA 14.4Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps, and then disabling HSUPA...
[Atrix 4G General] ilkevinli:
The phone is a 4G phone phone so its not false advertising.
[Atrix 4G General] :
This came from the AT&T web site? That's very interesting.

The device may very well be HSUPA capable and AT&T is throttling the upload on their end.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] :
Bad news. No go. Couldn't even break .20 upload. I even used the "broadband" sim/apn from my Galaxy Tab to test.

-James
[Atrix 4G General] clubtech:
Have you tried all the modes ?
[Atrix 4G General] :
Yes, every one. It took a bit from all the rebooting. Got root and used Root Explorer to mod the file.

Currently it's at zero. But my so called 4G sim back in with the phone APN again, still no change.

Download is not bad tho, does get up above the nexus one sometimes. I know reviews said download was not good, but it has at least matched my N1 where I am.