yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
1. ~104MB All (java & native i don't know)

2. One App can maximum allocate 73 MB, Network based Widgets eating the rest

3. Bada uses the rest, the guy on samsungwaveforum said (samsung worker) that the architecture of bada is currently like this:

The Amount of RAM 512 or 364 (he said 512, others that has readed it with jtag 364).

On this point i will call the OS SHP not more bada (according to arun.sd samsung bada evangelist) bada is only the Framework (API) that is running over the kernal.

So SHP uses the half of the amount for itself and bada(the Framework) than you must add, all apps that running out of ROM(all witout splashscreens) at least there are 100MB left.

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As i think also the wave has 512MB, cause:

The badaSDK simulator has on his "filesystem" a big IMG that is 384MB huge, this is the bada image, and 512 -384 = 128, the internal apps are not in the simulator that is why i think the missing 24MB not used, in the simulator you have more ram and the crashes cause of memory usage occures later.

I am only thinking about it, that such a huge image which contains all the API stuff must be loadet somewhere, when a app is calling a api function it must be loadet in RAM.

But many don't believe that the Wave could have more than 128 or even 256, i say that the PS 2 had also 256MB and it runs like hell, but it doesn't supported any other features like calling, and so on.

The best thing on this point, the galaxy s had the same thing with android 2.1 wich had the same layour half/half, with the update on 2.2 the RAM was stuck to 364 free without changing the hardware.

Everybody can think at his own what could be, i saw that a normal app which uses little icons(badaSI) eats 8MB RAM and it only show values from the internal API. You can i think now imagine that 256MB for bada not even would be enough to play such stuff like Half-HD videos or record and store them on time, it is a fact that this wouldn't be possible.

Near by the and, bada itself do many things with flash, flash needs a huge amount of ram, the menu is flash based, the homescreen is flash based, the lockscreen is flash based, the calling frame is flash based and and and, adfree does some interesting findings in the last months, thank you man.

But i think i should better end here now, before the discussion gets heated.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] jake792:
Thanks larioteo for useful findings....

Hopefully atleast in bada 2.0 samsung should introduce ram info in task manager like how they have done in Android 2.2 phones...no more confusion!
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Yes i have written a mail to arun maybe he can help us to be more sure. I have been studying his appbuilder and must say the code is amazing.

http://twitter.com/#!/devinetech
[Bada Software and Hacking General] despotovski01:
If I update my Samsung Wave S8500 to 2.0, will it be locked again? (It was locked in first place, but I unlocked it)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Rulistaff:
Bada 2 is not finished, and is not yet available.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] despotovski01:
Yes, I know, but I'm saying when it's finished, if I upgrade, will it be still unlocked.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
As we all seen that bada 1.2 can change the product key, i can only say maybe, i never tought that such thing is possible.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Here are the answers for the bada fans ;)

I have been asking a ... and got some interesting answers, my developer friends here (mortara), maybe know who i asked.

Here some interesting things for they, they like bada (only the part that is important for the people who aren't sure that bada will keep alive by samsung):

And a little bit info about bada 2.0, also only one little part and i am totally agree with this thinking.

I will not share everything what i had become on information it would not be fair to the ... this should be enough to show everyone badas future in samsung eyes.

And a last thing, i have been talking often to the bada developers and they are all very good and nice peaple, please don't make them bad, they are only humans as we are and they also trying to bring a featurefull os to us. They are also always helping little developers like me to bring nice applications to the man, it sure takes months to develop a good app that comes in the store, but we are all always working on it to make it for the users better.

I am currently making a customizable browser for the bada comunity such a thing i personaly seen only on pcs ;).

Thank you all supporters, we will always keep fighting.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] baza14:
@Larioteo

But Can you give us an answer if the sreenshots are fake or not?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
No, my question was dependet on badas future in samsung eyes and some other issues that are important for the growing of the system, i could not aske about pictures and link in a forum where others are hacking their devices and wonna to put android on it. Sorry. He is a bada supporter and trying everything to keep up the system, helped me sometimes.

The main thing is that he has said as a main developer on bada, that the system is never planed to die and that there will be more powerfull devices in the low cost segment with bada. I mean some devices as Wave and WaveII.

In my opinion it is not important he has also noticed us that there will be enough changes for customizable ui and i am happy with that, cause he sure knows it, his name is already known, look above, even a twitter page i posted.

In the past we all have missed a statement of samsung if bada will be suported or die, and the answer should be for us good enough, andorid also gots interesting on version 2.1 not even before it was only a little system near by ios and the father of all symbian.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] ronakg:
Hey VanThor, we are waiting for the video.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] pao9195:
any new updates about Bada 2.0.1? :D
[Bada Software and Hacking General] adfree:
:cool:

http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.0b1.html

Best Regards
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Fahrenheit51:
I feel the smeel of some ROM leaked by SamFirmware..
[Bada Software and Hacking General] prokshit:
really?!!... did they leak a rom!!>??
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Fahrenheit51:
IMHO they we'll do it soon.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
so i got today the sdk2b1 and i must say it is like on the pictures of this guy they are surely not manipulated, if someone (who i knows) wants more infos, he can ask me. I have showed the new gui only one guy, and we don't want to post them on public, hat what you have seen is enough from know.

New Cool Features (seen in emulator):

- AutoRotation will be also in the Status-Bar(4 icons) --> Also in cool green style

- The Settings Slider like on iOS seen in a nice silver

- Gallery with nice animations

- New UI looks more finished, everything seems to be perfekt placed

- Flash on Voluntas 2 is working

- Main colors of the gui are blue and green

- Tilt Sensor Zoom in like we saw it on the galaxy s2

- Shake Unlock (like we i think never seen before)

- Every List Control is replaced with cool looking newer controls with more animations

- SDK is very fast at starting

- The new emulator is amazing instead of the old simulator

- Apps needs only to be compiled for arm architectures for testing

- The emulator uses the same exe as on target device (much better debugging)

My old apps already starts on bada 2.0 the compability mode seems to be perfect to older apps.

The emulator have not near a 1/100 of all features that will be integrated, i have only seen things that are important for develoers to set, also themes (2 in emu) was available which shows the new bada gui, we all have saw them the guy have already posted them.

Thank you.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] lasentenza:
I don't think tilt sensor zoom will work on Samsung wave there is no giroscope.

This option does not work on Galaxy S :(

For other, features looks great it'ss promising! Thanks for the details larioteo ;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
I dont think so, the Tilt Sensor is a pseudo sensor that combines the features of every other sensor to one.

Have you ever seen 3d compass (the app in the store) it always shows you the right direction, no matter how you rotate it.

The developer have made his own pseudo giroscope. It is surely better when you have one build in as hardware, bug guys like this can make from less more.

I even don't know if samsung can make that without giroscope, the guy has made it without it, a 3d compass that is always showing the right way. It may be a little bit not so practicable as an real, but should work on only moving the z axis in combination to x.

;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] lasentenza:
Yes perhaps an incomplete portage of touchwiz 4 on galaxy S :confused:

On status bar only difference is you can add AutoRotation? no possible to add for exemple GPS?

On the SDk you can simulate icons on the main widget desktop?

Perhaps you can't answer to all question lol
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Antonyo Montana:
What about live wallpapers, will they be usable in bada 2.0 update??, and also will it be possible voice dialing in new update??
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
The emulator is a basic system with standard features to develope apps.

I have seen in the settings two themes, there you see for lines of apps, and a background possibility for the menu, also there are two homescreen modes, idle mode and live state mode, what that means i dont know you can set it, but nothing changes, in the menu i only have the settings icon and voluntas, not realy.

The emu skin is grey so that i cannot tell how the newer models would look like, i have also seen in the uninstall.ini of the sdk a packet for WQVGA that should be the bada 1.1 devices currently maybe they get also updated.

The resolutions are seperated by low, mid, and high (our waves), i can watch a little bit in the file system but there isnt very much, more images than in the old method with the simulator.

The settings menu shows some new options, also the sdk offers new stuff and controls, that seem beatiful. The sensor things are also available in the settings under motion controls.

The example applications i cannot run on emu, i dont know how to configure it, the existing bada 1.2 apps that i have, can be imported and startet normaly witouth problems and also restartet in the emulator, before you must restart the whole simulator thing which taked months.

livewallpapers i dont know, different homescreen modes yes. A voice dial icon is on the dial keypad, but deactivated i cannot press it.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
So i sendet the pictures to two persons here, i need someone who believes me and can underline it.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] akuji_bwn:
I'm one of those persons Dario is talking about and I can assure that the features he's described are there :).
[Bada Software and Hacking General] lasentenza:
I confirm, all informations given by larioteo are visible on SDK simulator.

Great things are coming guys!! :D
[Bada Software and Hacking General] MiAmRA:
Samsung will introduce 'Smart homescreens' which give you the possibilities to have more options to customize your home screens for example with shortcuts but also with animated wallpapers (not sure if those are interactive like on droid)

About voice dial, not 100% sure but the chance is pretty big.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
If bada 2.0 will get all this features than an android port of 2.2 doesn't make any sense in my eyes. Happy that samsung has heared to us (sometimes)

Yes voice command will be available through motions (double tab the phone) it is described in the emu.

The thing you have posted is called Live Panel (normal homescreen yet know is Idle Screen) you can choose one of the two, in emu it doesn't effekt yet anything.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Antonyo Montana:
Does anyone know will it be new navigation included in bada 2.0 update instead of Route 66, and also I saw on google many people asking about SKYPE??
[Bada Software and Hacking General] lasentenza:
Some of the options visible on SDK simulator are visible on this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jserUk8bPz8&feature=player_embedded

On minute 2.25 (Zero Clickr)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
yes and the double tapping for voice commands ;)

No navigations arent includet in the emulator, sorry, but the default card offerer for devs are still decarta if this helps you, but google maps is also available.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
i am testing the waveHVGA emu and it is running better (maybe they concentrating making bada on low end devices settable and then the power devices will explose.

The animations (new one) are realy cool when you opening an app and so on, flash controls gets multitouch and a lot of things, so games based on flash should be realy cool on bada 2.0. The Flash control seems to be fully integrated and working like hell.

Also the menu icons are all colorfull, i dont know maybe i have catched the WVGA emu, but this one is running very good (better than 1.2) and this in an emulator.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] anonimo1w:
How can I download the bada 2.0 SDK?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
with some skills ;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
I have managed it to get the new Dolfin shown.

DolfinX

- New UI like Android Dolphin (Address bar is always on sites Top)

- Text wrapping (?=Text reflow)

- 3D Switching Tab Effects

- Startage of about::blank with the most visited sites

- Automatic URL correction

- Pass through to google search

Very nice!
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Antonyo Montana:
Flash lite 4 support...what does maximizing compatibility with Flash 10 mean , will it be possible watch streaming content trough wifi connection??
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Anaarchy13:
awesomeeee!!! yo should share the 2.0 =P, also hello to everyone im new in this forum and great work porting android to bada!!
[Bada Software and Hacking General] vivekforbes:
This is the one thing i really need in bada is good browser..can you confirm whether opera native app available in bada 2.0?

Thanks for sharing..waiting for leaked rom..
[Bada Software and Hacking General] xsycox:
Happy, happy, ...
[Bada Software and Hacking General] ronakg:
This is Awesome. Now we need a video, please please.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Developers can also be happy, easy to make a fantastic gui, everything providet in there:

- Layouts (alignment of elements settable, fix elements after rotation)

- Every Element supports more settings for the GUI, like colors transparency and so on.

- The animation while starting or closing an app is fantastic.

- I dont even know what to write, my hands are glowing, it is realy very much new things, that seems never seen bevore.

And the one and only:

- AdControl (Add your ads to your app simply in a control) there is a site linked where you can choose your advertisement. I must say very very cool, Thank you samsung.

The guys has nearly everything changed, the GUI looks more professional and offers everything for an easy developement.

It also looks more to be in direction iOS with a little bit more functions, you can make everything that we wished before, the footer and header providing nearly everything.

Man i like this damn sdk, it is a little bit disappointing to develop on the older version. I will also prepare voluntas2 for bada 2 with the new functions, Maybe i will be the first with a real bada 2.0 app :D
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
vec pitas 2 put isto, moces gledat youtube videoe na normalnoj stranici. I reklame :)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Antonyo Montana:
pa jebote engleski koji ga kurac pricamo, sad cemo samo naski :)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] ace_leo:
@larioteo hey man thanks for all that info, if could tell us how did you get hold of sdk, will be very grateful.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
The SDK will be very soon for public available, it is nearly comlete and stable, this version needs some fixes, believe me it will be better to wait, i have invested more than an hour to run only one app on it, cause of no idea how this emu things works on the beginning.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] michallll1:
I also confirm that:) something beautiful, I can not wait!

DolfinX also not bad, but Voluntas 2 is better ;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] ace_leo:
sry if it sounds stupid, but what is this voluntas 2???
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
take a look in the developer sub forum (the real app developer sub forum) for BADA
[Bada Software and Hacking General] kcy1606:
I can confirm what larioteo said is true and it is beautiful! :)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] heahmad:
when will it be available and is there a big difference between 2 and 1.2

thank you :o
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Yes i would say the GUI is in the Behind comletly changed, the look and feel, is better.

This what the user see, is this what the developer provide, if someone is lazy than it would look as the same.

There are more possiblilities to make a beatiful gui, don't worry.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] ace_leo:
@larioteo what is the eligibility criteria to see the pics you are sending to others ;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
There are no criteria people that i know better, this people come more from the voluntas development.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] ace_leo:
aaah,,,,by the way thanks for the direction on voluntas.

its been a long time since i visited the bada section on xda (only visited when it was initially opened), so didnt know ppl have taken such great voluntary steps. :)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] waveboy:
@larioteo can u please confirm if the 1300 sms limit is removed??
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
I can read it maybe in the sdk documantation how many are allowed, i cannot promise it you.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] waveboy:
Even if u do not find it thanx for the effort.........im really really hoping bada 2.0 will be good......dont wanna intall android untill it comes out :P
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Yes that is nice to hear, but think about it, no call function is currently not attractive to anyone i think.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] zogu:
Bada 1.2 is also very beautiful, fast, easy, in some parts better than android and iOS, but main problem is stupid contracts which samsung have with network operators, which is something like: expensive phones (rim, high end androids, iphone) will have good support with voip, navigation and everything else and this low cost will not have it. I want from Bada only:

1. full google support (google navigation, google voice search with voice actions, google sky map, sipdroid (sipbada ;) )

2. skype

3. not so important, but it would be nice if we can have something like cydia on our phones, lario maybe you can develop something like cydia for bada?

With this I will never think about installing android on my wave. Now I can't wait to destroy unsupported bada and install android, skype, ssh, sip, i need all this functions from my phone.

@larioteo Svaka cast na entuzijazmu, ali mislim da i pored 20 miliona prodatih aparata nema nista od bade dok samsung ne potpise jedan ozbiljan ugovor sa googleom, a oni to za sada nece. Prebaci se na android ;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Vjeruj mi da me taj android ne zanima, radje bi otiso kod jabuke, oni su mi vise simpaticni, tamo barem isto kontroliraju sve aplikacije, bitnije mi je da je pregledaju tjedan dana, nego da budne ko kod ovi, pa nakom dva mjeseca zaznas da je neko krao tvoje podatke.

Neboj se znam jih dosta privatnih sto prave aplikacije za badu, i nece nikad prec zato sto je za nas ovdje jos zarada moguca, tamo nista od toga, prevelike firme sve sebi uzmaju.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] st0rmi:
Can you also already take a look at the musicplayer? Does it support equalizers on other filetypes now? Especially ACC/.m4a
[Bada Software and Hacking General] bong4316:
Will Bada 2 allow unlimited APPS installation( depends on storage of course)

One of the most severe shortcomings of BAda has been the 10 page apps limit meaning after you have used up the 10 pages, you cant install any more programs or apps.

I mean even windows mobile 5, symbian etc in the old days allowed as many programs to install as long as you have enough storage on your device but why did BADA have such a limitation?

Anyway they have seriously shot themselves in the foot (samsung) because even if for example samsung app market became as big as that of apple's app store, bada users cant download as many apps as they want anyway.

So is this solved in bada 2?

Can we now install as many apps as we want as long as we have the storage for it?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
@st0rmi No such Features i can't test, i can only call the media player to play a file or an url, but somewhere it should stand which formats it can handle.

http://developer.bada.com/library/help under Device-dependent Feautres (WVGA) you find the supported Formats from 1.2.

AAC is already includet, maybe you should look which version or the differences that could cause the non playing issue by you. I think this is a general encoding problem, which Tools are you using for conversation? Have you tried another?

@bong4316

Yes

But one thing, android on some devices also has an limitation and iOS before version 4 i think this should show you that not only bada has/had a limitation.

Hacks/Jailbrakes/Roots i am not counting about, cause 75% of all users don't hack their devices, they want that the things works without such things. And this is the big problem, people like us going always in forums to hack their devices, but the rest is of all that aren't interested on spending some days to reading tuturials or things like that, they are using the stock systems.

And believe me even android as stock system is not such customizable as bada as stock. bada supports more things in this direction and will support even more in 2.0, without these hacks. it is the perfect system for people that don't want to hack their devices.

After working with such things over 10 years, you will also buy a device and lost the will to flash it, it should run as it is. I hope you can understand what i want to say.

Look at the features you have without apps integreted, there are a lot, that other systems not have --> stock systems.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] lasentenza:
I totally agree with that!!

Bada is a great OS with a lot of functions available.

I don't think it need optimizations (with new kernel and other things we see on android) because it's fast with good battery life.

I think Bada 2.0 will progress to propose something more finished again and accessible.

Black points on Bada are not really the OS or the fact it is not rootable but only applications: we need a better browser, we need better youtube/facebook applications (all the applications we usually use actually), we need socialhub for everyone...

larioteo, did you see something about video recording?

Since hack cam from Galaxy S2, I can record video on 1920*1080 with galaxy S.

It made really great video now :eek: I think that would be possible too with Wave if option in included on Bada 2.0 or perhaps on driver :p
[Bada Software and Hacking General] larioteo:
Yes i also thing it must go, cause the Galaxy S has the same cam, this sounds nice.

Yes on the firmware there are files that define the resolution maybe we can change the values, or we need the driver of the s2 or s who knows.

bada 2.0 will include also more Feautres with a good browser and third party Puch-Services, the messangers can run simultanesously, try the one app Rocket... from UK store it also can do some messangers, with bada 2.0 and multitasking we have already a good alternative. :)