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[Captivate General] bamonkey:
Im just going to skip through all the legit business and throw in my simple 2 cents. Ive owned some great samsung products through the years and while not perfect the captivate had that "potential" from the moment i picked it up. after some serious work by the devs here this phone has become more amazing everyday and this is a serious pointer that should be taken. I actually have a circle of friends all with different types of phones and I think i hit the nail on the head with my group that everybody wants something different out of their phones. I personally want an open source phone that i can make feel like its 'mine' that if i get bored with it the next day someone will always be out there as a developer to give me something new to try. Apple gained market by making a product that 'just works'. no hassle, new features, and obviously a market ready to cater to their app store. Samsung needs to find its OWN user base if it wants to compete. work with google to ensure quality and fairness. take an approach that your users want your phone to feel like its their phones..not apple *personally when i use one they always feel the same at the core and the prodect doesnt really belong to them*... acknowledge problems..take responsiblity, this is a huge point i HATE the excuses game going on in the industry right now. Get involved in your community like this first step here. As you can see it can get pretty heated and arguments and spiteful responses will be made. Thats fine because the more you can 'humanize' your company the more likely people will try to approach you good or bad. I wish i could attend because ive been watching this event for the last few years with great interest.

I think most people will never believe 'a company rep' will ever do anything for them..just a fact of the society we live in :D So i guess my challenge to you is to keep this first step up. make us all believe differently. If you want to get us on your side take the hard road and keep the channels open on communication. Best of luck, your job sounds tough, ill be keeping my eye open on this thread *thumbs up*

edit: just as a funny thought that would/could never happen, use the momentum of the xda open source community and create the "samsung potential". It will have amazing hardware, have top quality parts and manufacturing and be completly open source from the ground up. Leave the coding up to the developers here and sell it as an open source No warranty phone except on parts. I could go into what im thinking further but basically stand behind the hardware 100% and leave the software to the people 100%. *ultimate happy face thought*
[Captivate General] Xstop:
Social Media Analyst has nothing nor will it ever have anything to do with Development.

At most you only create statistics for those managing you, and give insight (Social Media aspect; facebook, twitter, or any social media website that it might pertain to). I think your giving false hope to those actually

wanting

to believe that

you

can really help with "the big picture here". That's probably why the negativity towards you.

Another obstacle we still have to go through is AT$T, which is still the middle man, per se, between Samsung and the customers. And I'm sure before you were hired that you had to sign some sort of confidentiality document, prohibiting giving vital information to the public. In turn, we get the, "Sorry, but I am not able to give out that information" phrase.

Now, if you just came in here to say, hello and just wanted to meet with some of the Devs, awsome! Welcome to the forum. But if you really think you will get any ball rolling regarding the development section, uh, not happening.

Sorry for being blatant about my post, (I don't sugar coat). But throwing a "title" at us does not impress me. Been there, done that.

I personally have more faith in what supercurio is doing:

I do not doubt you work for Samsung but with this:

Highly doubt the development side. What is your title on the development side? Can you provide us with more believable credentials?

But reading between the lines; I just smell spam for your conference in Austin.

I say it's good to be skeptical with these post and those pictures doesn't mean ****, for god sakes, we're on the internet.

Ex. Hi, I'm 5'8", 120lbs, green eyes, blond hair, and 36-24-34. Here is my 4 pictures attached. Wanna meet? LOL suckers
[Captivate General] tkienzle:
Right on John welcome lets get some work done f all the hate'ers they don't know swat...:D
[Captivate General] Xstop:
And this is the most intelligent response yet...*sarcasm*

But anyways...

I am not saying he is not legit, nor he doesn't work for samsung. I'm just saying, I don't think he is as close to the development department as he would like you to believe. There would be a lot of red tape involved regarding the source and who's its shared to.

Then one question for John.

What is your projection, time frame, til we see concrete evidence that their is some sort of relation between XDA and Samsung regarding development?
[Captivate General] smokestack76:
Not sure how i missed this thread. But looks good to me. Legit as well. Maybe we do have a chance to get help now. And open some channels.

Post about admins. I understand why its here. As being a user like we all are who thinks of going through admins first? You want to say hello and hope to get a response. And then hope someone helps you out :-)
[Captivate General] mnjm9b:
I am neck deep in some heavy development right now...

if there is any chance this will lead to the release of source code

or proprietary bits, this will make my struggles pointless.

so I will put on the breaks (only for a moment) to see where this leads.
[Captivate General] ianwood:
All true. It is possible that Samsung marketing has decided to reach out to the enthusiasts via John having worked with product management and software development to offer us a carrot. Probably just wishful thinking but let's give the guy a little time to prove himself to be more than just a marketing tool.

I would hate to see any of the work here lose momentum off the back of unfulfilled promises. John, take note. If you want to stick to saying you can truly affect change, some people might believe you.
[Captivate General] supercurio:
What is it ?

Kernel module ala hacker style to circumvent source lack?
[Captivate General] kegobeer:
That's exactly why I asked him to provide a job description and explain exactly what he does. Unfortunately I don't expect any response to that question.
[Captivate General] mnjm9b:
which is why I am not waiting long...

FULL AOSP, kernel and all...

I started a thread in the Dev section...
[Captivate General] supercurio:
That's right *full* AOSP is not possible for kernel so far due to FSR/RFS drivers in kernel and in init binary.
[Captivate General] TommyZee:
X-Xiles I Want To Believe

All things being as they are I’m looking forward to your next thread John, welcome aboard. :cool:
[Captivate General] qwertyaas:
Welcome to the boards! Hopefully we finally get some information and issues resolved with our phones. And maybe the source code for AT&T Captivate.

So... is that GPS fix still coming around that was promised in September or is Samsung finally in agreement that they borked the GPS aspect of this phone? ;)
[Captivate General] boborone:
that would be very nice, should've been in the first post
[Captivate General] mnjm9b:
Which is why it would be noble of them to open source these instead of making us franken-source drivers or create drivers from scratch....

not holding my breath though....
[Captivate General] mrd49:
I take this to mean he's got some say in development, and not some PR lackey. Although, yes, it would be nice to know his exact job description.
[Captivate General] xodaQo:
I'll just leave this right here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw
[Captivate General] SamsungJohn:
Thank you!

I'm sure we all have seen Transformers right? Remember that scene in the movie where the Autobots are arriving to earth?(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kps_CkEEkUo) Quality kind of sucks. I compare that scene as Samsung arriving to XDA! I will not let you guys down. I will be back on Monday, in the mean time all top developers please pm. On Monday, I will post a new thread explaining further details. Also if your going to be in Austin for the convention let me know as well.

P.S. I have been reading all your postings in the threads.

Thanks

@SamsungJohn
[Captivate General] Xstop:
Deleted.

I will let actions speak for itself.
[Captivate General] boborone:
Well thanks man, they have some good ideas in the epic forum, and supercurio's open source proposal is something that would benefit all. Remember that the dev's and bloggers are the first to endorse a company and their products. And trickle down to the masses. I imagine your family ask you what phone they should buy, and they do it for reason.
[Captivate General] Dxtra:
Well heres my input john. Straight forward 1. No lag. 2. No lag. 3. Completely working hardware, GPS, screen ect. 4. Support ( updates ). Looking forward for the Galaxy S II. Hopefully my experience with the captivate was just a last night nightmare . Big credit to the community on xda for making the Galaxy s useable.

Sent from my Galaxy s Captivate
[Captivate General] stoobie-doo:
Welcome.

You have a community here that is passionate about these products and interested in finding ways to make these phones better to use. For me, I am a user who found this site, first when I was on Windows Mobile later on Android as a place to fix things that just didn't work right or get updates to products after the vendor had moved on.

What would be great would be to see a way Samsung would be willing to:

1. Explain some of the choices it has made - like preventing sideloading and installing from 3rd party markets, removing functionality clearly intended for the product (the Captivate user manual on the Samsung USA web site describes the Mobile AP functionality that was yanked on page 103), preventing removal of the AT&T apps, and what really is taking so long with the Froyo update (let alone whether we will ever see Gingerbread).

2. Find a way to enable at least some of the improvements/modifications developed or implemented by the cooks to be implemented without voiding a warranty.

3. Make available an AOSP or unbranded version of the Captivate ROM that supports the phone and then lets the devs add to it as they see fit.

4. Not use this as another hype channel like the SamsungMobileUS tweets
[Captivate General] vvaffles:
#1 is all AT&T's doing, my rogers captivate has all of those features

and we have already recieved Froyo. i doubt #3 is happening, that is not good for business at all
[Captivate General] zelendel:
Thread closed. Things will come to light soon enough
[G Tablet General] harleythatcher:
Just ran across this thought I would share it.

http://tablets.insightlopedia.com/viewsonic-gtablet-sales-stopped-tablet-maker-blames-adobe-nvidia-google%E2%80%A6-everyone-allabouttablets.html#answer

Tt

Never mind just noticed the date of the statement 24 dec 2010. I didn't realize they had pulled it from the shelves in Dec as well?
[G Tablet General] muqali:
A bit outdated, yes. The funny thing is the Amazon ad for G Tablets "On Sale Now" at the bottom of the page.
[G Tablet General] toddmp:
This entry was posted on Saturday, December 25th, 2010
[G Tablet General] muqali:
As said, dated. Also, why wasn't the article's author doing Christmas stuff? Heathen!
[Vibrant General] SamsungJohn:
Hello Guys,

My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!

Thanks in advance,

John

Social Media Analyst

Samsung Mobile USA

Twitter: @SamsungJohn
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
Awesome man, nice to see a hand out.....

any insight on when source will be released?

Did you hear about the #NeverAgain Samsung movement?
[Vibrant General] XPLANE9:
Bump, would love to see connections between XDA and Samsung to improve on the great hardware provided by Samsung. Too bad I am in Dallas though...:(
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Very cool to get an official Samsung voice in here.

Want a suggestion? Samsung should pay out bounties to devs who do special things for Samsung handsets. For instance, did you know that Supercurio's work has turned the SGS into a credible audiophile DAP? It sounds better than many dedicated DAP + amp combos, which is extraordinary. Samsung should reward that!
[Vibrant General] Five0nIt:
Im not a dev, but ill be there.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
omg omg omgomgogm!

can i get your signature?!??!
[Vibrant General] SamsungJohn:
Partnership

Partnership! That's the plan, you guys in my opinion, are the biggest influence to the android community.
[Vibrant General] thegreatcity:
If you guys are seriously planning on strengthening the relationship with XDA, take a cue from HTC, and put your source out quicker for us to play with. If you think the devs here are great now, open up that sandbox and you'll see what they can really do.

This is a great gesture though, I hope something great can come of it.
[Vibrant General] SamsungJohn:
Partnership

Yes, I have been watching you guys work and I must say is very fantastic. I am here on behalf of Samsung to establish a partnership. Do you guys suggest me posting this in the development forums?
[Vibrant General] Romanbb:
<3 I am following you. Thanks for being awesome.
[Vibrant General] n2ishun:
So, the frikkin GPS......

You guys shipped a bogus product.

Are you even considering a perk on the Galaxys 4g upgrade for those of us that purchased a broken device ?
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
grr. double post
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Nah, you'll get reamed if you post in the dev forum. I'm sure this thread has been noticed by all the dev teams.
[Vibrant General] imitebewrong:
That's up to tmobile. Anyways, don't attack him he's here to help. Keep the negative comments to yourself as this is our one link to samsung and we do NOT want to lose it.

Thank you for coming and introducing yourself!
[Vibrant General] Sine.:
Hi,

I suggest you to post a thread in the i9000 section, you've post everywhere except there, while it's the "main" branch of SGS :p

Does Samsung has planned to implement the wonderful Supercurio's work (like Voodoo great sound improvements) and to work with him?

Edit : I've read your're also a developper, so yes, you should post in dev sections ;)
[Vibrant General] Mannymal:
can you post your @samsung email so that we can verify you are the real deal? not to be offensive, but the internet is rampant with trolls and cons.
[Vibrant General] GreggoryD502:
Welcome and thanks for joining us. Make sure you check out our devs and themers. There is some amazing talent here. And these guys do this as a hobby!

Powered by Axura with a dash of Voodoo
[Vibrant General] robertd0619:
He's from samsung mobile usa that's probably why he didn't post on the i9000 section.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
yes please, please make sure and confirm to someone here that you are the actual Samsung developer, we have many of these kinds of little kids who fake this, and that makes our trust go down on the real people.
[Vibrant General] oka1:
YES WHEN WILL THE SOURCE CODE BE RELEASED ???? WE WOULD ALL FELL MUCH BETTER IF SAMSUNG WOULD ADHERE TO THE ANDROID OPEN SOURCE AGREEMENT- Hmmm????

That said, I am glad that Samsung has reached out to us, we would all love an opportunity to share our thoughts and suggestions........ You coming to the West coast anytime soon ?
[Vibrant General] Scoobyracing03:
Call T-mobile and get a replacement? That's what I did for both my Vibrants. The new ones seem to work great.
[Vibrant General] Tarzanman:
If you bought a product that doesn't work, then you should return it to the point of purchase.

That is what I did with my freezing, rebooting Vibrant that I bought off of Craigslist. Hassled the guy until he replaced it with a working unit.
[Vibrant General] Captainkrtek:
@SamsungJohn check your XDA private messages in the top right of your screen
[Vibrant General] mr.orange303:
I think alot of people got the wrong idea here. This is not a q&a session. This is a call out to devs. If im john im regretting this thread right now. Hopefully he is a better person than me.
[Vibrant General] Emama:
source code!
[Vibrant General] byt3b0mb:
John, welcome to XDA, and we do appreciate the partnership and the olive branch you have extended. Please ignore any unproductive and/or negative posts. Cooperation is exciting.

welcome again, and thanks!
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
Exactly.... I think most just feel the source code is the most important thing.
[Vibrant General] bbm21:
Wait im confused... its not that I question his legitimacy I no he's for real but what does samsung get out of this...
[Vibrant General] swehes:
I'm unable to locate SamsungJohn on Twitter.
[Vibrant General] Romanbb:
You liking then and buying more of their products. Not trying to be cold, but it is what it is.

Still a very good outreach.
[Vibrant General] bbm21:
I get it

Thanks for clarifying
[Vibrant General] krylon360:
SamsungJohn, first off welcome to XDA, though I may not be the 1st to say this, it is great that Samsung is noticing the work that not only the Vibrant Developers are doing with the Vibrant, but also the rest of the SGS Developers and their devices.

If there is anything we can do for you, just let us know.

And XDA Users, he is a Social Media contact. Please do not bombard him with Where's the Source questions, or Why did you release a phone with broken GPS. It isn't his job to answer those questions, nor does he have the answer.
[Vibrant General] raduque:
So Krylon, he won't be able to deliver the head of the person who decided RFS was a Good Idea?

Damn...
[Vibrant General] supercurio:
Hi dear Vibrant users and developers, I guess some of you know me or my work already ;)

I'll watch this thread too (lots of thread you created John!).

For people interested, here is a document I wrote for Samsung Korea named

Open Source strategy for Samsung Mobile proposal

Comments welcome.

What John announce here goes in the same direction and that's darn cool !
[Vibrant General] anthonys2r:
I just looked through it and I want to saw that I *really* hope Samsung takes a look at that and goes with what you propose. Thumbs up
[Vibrant General] Oniyuri:
I just checked out your slides and they were very insightful. I hope Samsung does take your advice because while they might've appeased the Vibrant masses (and barely at that), all the other Galaxy S variant owners in the states are still very mad over the lack of froyo updates. According to the opinions I see in a lot of the techblogs out there, they're not out of the storm with the american consumers yet.
[Vibrant General] mr.orange303:
Well john krylon and Supercurio. Looks like your starting to get what you want. I hope this leads to good things.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
I agree with everything on that slide.
[Vibrant General] bbm21:
If samsung followed that slide then I would buyfrom samsung again
[Vibrant General] ColorNapkin:
Can we get some proof that this guy is legit?
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
i think he is legit, i checked his twitter and some guy tweeted something about joining XDA and then John replied to it.
[Vibrant General] xodaQo:
I'll just leave this right here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw
[Vibrant General] SamsungJohn:
Thank you!

I'm sure we all have seen Transformers right? Remember that scene in the movie where the Autobots are arriving to earth?(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kps_CkEEkUo) Quality kind of sucks. I compare that scene as Samsung arriving to XDA! I will not let you guys down. I will be back on Monday, in the mean time all top developers please pm. On Monday, I will post a new thread explaining further details. Also if your going to be in Austin for the convention let me know as well.

Thanks

P.S. I have been reading all your postings in the threads.

Thanks

@SamsungJohn
[Vibrant General] n2ishun:
So I guess my l33t fortran skills aren't needed ?
[Vibrant General] Mannymal:
Anyone could have taken that twitter name.
[Vibrant General] southplatte:
While I am not a dev on the core of android, I am doing apps etc. but focus more on web development and windows development.

That being said - I think it is great that you are here and are reaching out to the community.

Just remember - if done right and proper, Samsung will likely become THE Android powerhouse - awesome hardware, awesome firmware, community and customer interaction. If done wrong, Samsung will probably be hung out to try.

Good you are here....just make it count for what it should :-)
[Vibrant General] icarianecho:
@OP:

Welcome to XDA & glad you're here; please ignore the screaming twelve year-olds.

As you look around, I'm sure you'll form your own opinions about this community, & as an infrequent poster who cannot be called knowledgeable by any stretch, I'm not sure how much weight my comments should hold, but:

To my sense, the freedom to innovate & customize makes the Android OS, & that freedom, evident in the vibrancy & diversity of this community, should be embraced.

Thanks for stopping by & looking forward to your contributions.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Zerobarat1:
Ok so , I think I'm the first one with this damned issue but , I just got an 8 gig A data class 6 microsd card and I want to partition it to flash void . Ok now problem is I that it's been at it for like 50 min +/- . And ofc I did with the custom recovery that is on XDA with swap 0 and ext 512mb.

So is it supposed to take such a horrible ammount of time? Or am I supposed to just turn off the device and restart ?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Omnichron:
it could be that card. I have an 8bg class 2 and the partitioning and tremors app2sd went really fast. less than a minute.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Mithun_srk05:
Re-partition and re-flash the OS.... It happens sometimes, it happened with me too. The phone gets stuck in boot-loop. Partition, wipe data, cache, dalvik cache, ext partition and android secure. :-)
[Optimus One, P500, V General] bioan:
As I answered in a PM, did you try to format it in Windows to see if you can ? Can you delete or write things on the sd ? I had the same issue... the card was broken so it was replaced on warranty.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Zerobarat1:
Hey , sorry guys I'm a klutz , I forgot to post , but I fixed it since the that night . It worked perfectly on the 2nd try and also 3rd and 4th as I did change a few ROM's these days :P
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheBiles:
From a 5MB test just now in a 3G network.
[G2 and Desire Z General] narunetto:
It is crap. It produces grossly inaccurate results all the time. The speedtest.net app is much more accurate.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TJBunch1228:
lol I've always wondered about that, seemed extraordinarily high.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dietotherhythm:
yeah narunetto is right. speedtest is legit, a lot of the other speed test apps just throw out random crap. I once had one that kept saying 14mbit every test. Same numbers everytime.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ibemad1:
Duh... its because all its doing is downloading a 5 MB image every time. It would be accurate if you cleared your cache between each test, however.

Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheBiles:
That was after one test.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TJBunch1228:
I guess that is something we should all obviously know. Duh....
[G2 and Desire Z General] ibemad1:
Hmm... well then perhaps it's doing something else.

Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.