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[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gahh Its Lee:
Well that sucks..
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] japhule:
Words with Friends is now available for Android. Free phone version is available and works well on the gtab. The tiles though don't scale pefectly and are kind of cut off at the bottom of the screen. Ads are kind of annoying and pop up after every other move it seems. It only plays in portrait mode currently. Hopefully the tablet version will be out soon.

https://market.android.com/details?...anblast&utm_term=androidwwf&utm_campaign=0001
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] firewater2003:
Word Feud is rocks...Try this one and its free.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] nunjabusiness:
If that is sort of like Scrabble - you need to try WordSmith.

It is very playable against one or multiple players and you can play against specific people or random (my favorite).

Here is appbrain's link: http://www.appbrain.com/app/wordsmith-free/com.secondbreakfast.games.wordsmith.free

Portrait only - but that is the way you want it, trust me. Works perfectly on the GTab
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] TheKaz:
I have trouble dragging the far right tile. anyone else?
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] japhule:
Me too. I have to drag another tile towards that one so that it will rearrange. You can also shake the tablet to rearrange tiles.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] webby_s:
Like many others have stated, WWF is very buggy and to me is still pretty beta. Zynga has a lot of ironing out to do on it.

And like others have said, there are some other android apps that are better I personally use Droid Words and love it, got all my android friends on that but the thing with WWF is, you can play with iOS players, so now I have WAY to many scrabble games going on.

It will be nice to have them all on WWF but I like DW and wish I could stay loyal to that app but if WWF will be the one app to rule them all, I guess that will be nicer then switching between apps.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] japhule:
New update for Words with Friends, still doesn't fix issues on gTab. They should just release the Tab version already...
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] gotwillk:
only reason i use WWF is to play with my iphone friends. otherwise i use WordFeud. WordFeud is much better.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] whopper_g:
Hi everyone,

could someone please explain me what all those "performance tweaks" are that the chefs are cooking into their roms?

i cant find anything about what they did... (search is offline for 20-30 min and other external searchengines also not find anything intressting)

i can see in some videos on youtube that the phone is faster - but why?

im using a class 6 16gb sdcard, so thats not be a problem i think...

can someone please enlighten me?

Thx!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
ah somebody else noticed this, i believe they messed with some caches and that about somes it up, to be perfectly honest i dont see any where a noticable speed improvment could be made with regards to the UI so its all a bit of FUD if you ask me.

with regards to your speed, just because its a 16GB class 6 doesnt automatically make it work, infact, if its stable at all your on to a winner, ive got a class 2 thats quicker than a 4, its just luck of the draw, most slowdowns are SD related, try other cards, dont splash out because it might not even work but play around and see what you can get.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Sakem:
Most chiefs use these tweaks

Not really "performance", more "optimizations"
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] zarathustrax:
Yeah, it's not the rated class that matters with wp7... the class just rates the sequential write speed. It's random access speed that matters with wp7 (or when running any os off a sd card)... it's the time it takes to access small random bits of data when to os needs it. Higher class cards actually tend to have lower random access speed because of the tweaks the manufacturer does to raise the sequential write speed.

To raise the sequential read and write speed, the higher class card will initialize the part of the chip thats being used before actually using it so it can then write or read to that part more quickly... but that takes time to initialize, and ends up taking longer if you are just grabbing one little bit of data from one part and a bit from another part, etc than it will take a class 2 card which doesn't do the initializing process and just starts grabbing the data when it's asked to.

Microsoft found this when testing sd cards for wp7... class 2 cards tended to work better than class 6 or 10 cards. It doesn't necessarily mean a class 6 or 10 card won't work, or that a class 2 card will definitely work, but more class 2 cards worked than class 6.

Also, since card makers don't really rate the random access speed, they don't keep the speed very consistent batch to batch... even with a card that's the same brand and class. You might get a Class 4 sandisk that works great, but someone else gets the exact same class 4 sandisk, but it was made a week later at the same factory and it may not work. The chips they use can be different from batch to batch, and they only watch and keep the sequential read and write speeds consistent.

Hopefully now that wp7 needs cards with good random access speed, card makers will rate that speed and sell cards good for wp7. And also when running android off SD, I've found that random access speed is what makes the biggest difference in performance. I remember reading about people having more lag in sd android builds with higher class cards... well that's why.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] whopper_g:
Your are right. i have to correct me - i got an 16 GB Class 2 SanDisk Card.

But why is there no info on how they speed up the MarktPlace that much? Its obvious that it is indeed faster - at least on Mobile network...

Yeah i see that - but, as you allready said, those are no perfomance tweaks ... but thanks for the hint...

Thanks for the good explanation from the hardware point of view. but again all tweaks they made are software side.

Could it be that this is just a subjective speed improvement?
[Desire HD Android Development] jkoljo:
Instead of gfree and rage, you can just use Visionary and Radio S-OFF Tool, saves a lot of time :)
[Desire HD Android Development] AlexDP:
True. I was personally having some trouble with Visionary though... after hitting temproot now or temproot on boot it'd show the rooting screen, then hang there and turn black. The whole phone would get slow too.

I'll probably add that as alternative steps tomorrow morning when I wake though. Thanks for the feedback!
[Desire HD Android Development] awryter:
Alex, thanks so much. I don't yet have the device, but was looking for a fool-proof rooting/sound-maintaining guide before purchasing. I knew it would come in good time :)

I also had tons of trouble using Visionary to temp/perm root my Desire Z. I would definitely shy away from that method, especially if you're comfortable with ADB. Your method, while it may take longer, works great.

Does this also provide a SIM Unlock like it does the G2?
[Desire HD Android Development] WorldIRC:
Does flashing the Telus Kernel from the Kernel Update Utility yield a different result than flashing it from Clockwork?
[Desire HD Android Development] plasticdarlow:
Thanks Guys. Guide worked Perfect!
[Desire HD Android Development] jkoljo:
You should remove the gfree part of your guide, Easy Radio Tool does exactly the same, but in one click. In the current form, you are Radio S-OFFing two times.

Gfree does not give you permanent root.
[Desire HD Android Development] AlexDP:
So you mean the entire part B.c, right? Thanks again for your feedback!
[Desire HD Android Development] jkoljo:
Yes, entire B.c section, and flashing ClockworkMod should be the last step of all.
[Desire HD Android Development] AlexDP:
Thanks, updated as such.
[Desire HD Android Development] omegacell:
I'm getting this error:

mmap<> failed. Operation not permitted

On section B a -4 on the command

adb shell /data/local/tmp/psneuter adb shell

Anyone know what's causing it?
[Desire HD Android Development] plasticdarlow:
Hey guys, has anyone been successful in getting sound on the cm7 nightly ROM?
[Desire HD Android Development] AlexDP:
I'm sorry, there was a mistake. It should be:

adb shell /data/local/tmp/psneuter

<hit enter>

adb shell

<hit enter>

Instead of:

adb shell /data/local/tmp/psneuter adb shell

I've updated the guide to reflect that.
[Desire HD Android Development] gthompson75:
sound and other stuff

Nope I cant get any sound and if youflash the telus zip I just get stuck at htc logo, funny thing is I can get sound through fm radio only, i get sound oon fm radio through headset and through speaker but not on anything else.
[Desire HD Android Development] waylman:
I'm getting stuck during root process....any ideas???

C:\Documents and Settings\waycoy\Desktop\Telus Desire HD\Common files>adb push psneuter /data/local/tmp

2490 KB/s (0 bytes in 557962.000s)

C:\Documents and Settings\waycoy\Desktop\Telus Desire HD\Common files>adb push misc_version /data/local/tmp

15 KB/s (0 bytes in 15837.001s)

C:\Documents and Settings\waycoy\Desktop\Telus Desire HD\Common files>adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/psneuter

C:\Documents and Settings\waycoy\Desktop\Telus Desire HD\Common files>adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/misc_version

C:\Documents and Settings\waycoy\Desktop\Telus Desire HD\Common files>adb shell /data/local/tmp/psneuter

mmap() failed. Operation not permitted

C:\Documents and Settings\waycoy\Desktop\Telus Desire HD\Common files>
[Desire HD Android Development] omegacell:
I loaded cm 6 and got no sound at all either. Which roms are people having good luck with?
[Desire HD Android Development] dr_pepper:
Step Ba6 when applying PD98IMG.zip I recieve a "Model ID incorrect!" and "Update Fail!". Any suggestions? There were no errors up to that point. My scree is currently sitting at Press POWER to reboot. Not wanting to brick - am I ok to POWER. Model on the packing box shows A9192 if that means anything.
[Desire HD Android Development] unit68:
you can reboot my phone had the same problem i was unable to downgrade i was stuck at that point for a while. i dont know if there is a fix for this yet.
[Desire HD Android Development] dr_pepper:
Bummer. Thanks for the reply
[Desire HD Android Development] gthompson75:
gold card

Did you guys use a gold card. Did you follow everything from the start down. I did it last night and had no problems. The only problem you will have if you get it done is with roms. At this point it is probably best just to get root and wait for some roms that use the right kernel, some roms sound tinny, some just don't work. CM7 doesn't work with sound at all and if you apply the TELUS kernel it locks up at HTC boot screen.
[Desire HD Android Development] cue_32:
For ROOTING\unlocking\FLASHING ROMS... I found these instructions easier as it already has been simplified by them, yet still based on Alex's instructions. It's what I used and was flawless.

http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-root-telus-htc-desire-hd/
[Desire HD Android Development] cue_32:
Factory Resetting is generally a precautionary measure especially for those flashing ROMs that have major difference between each other (Sense vs. No-Sense, and no 2 developers are alike).

In this situation you're flashing 2 "stock" ROMs... :rolleyes:

If you do have to Factory Reset after flashing a ROM (bootloop), the benefits of a rooted device still outweighs the possibility of having to restructure your settings.
[Desire HD Android Development] Jazz8:
+1

I also got that message and had to follow B.c.; after that all worked well :)
[Desire HD Android Development] PoseyBAH:
I dunno, sometimes the visionary method doesnt work for some odd reason. I would try that method first because it is definitely easier than the terminal method.
[Desire HD Android Development] Trevor_g:
Not completely true, guys -- the Visionary+ method does NOT work on all Telus Desire HDs. That's the whole point of the OP.

Apparently (drawing from my research here), the NEW Telus Desire HD's come factory-loaded with a build that doesn't allow one-click rooting (hence the downgrade). I've tried every other one-click root method out there -- no dice.

I'm holding out on root until the Visionary+ method receives an update... it's killing me, but hey. I don't want to risk wiping out everything in order to gain root (would take me hours and hours to get my phone re-programmed with my data / settings) and I don't mind the stock rom. :)
[Desire HD Android Development] maddog497:
I'm holding off as well until then. I don't want to give up the sound quality my phone has right now, and after running vanilla for the last 7- months (rooted Hero) I'm enjoying sense again....for now.
[Desire HD Android Development] daandman:
Rooted fine & am running CyanogenMod 7 now, but no sound. I know a few people are having the same problem, is there a solution?
[Desire HD Android Development] Nankov:
Hi everyone, need a little help as i have trouble rooting mine, i got the goldcard set up i go through the downgrade instructions and at the end where the phone checks the PD98IMG its supposed to ask me to install but id doesnt...there is no errors it just doesnt do anything. I beleive its with the drivers on the pc, but i have installed all the newest drivers and the android 1.0 and it still wont do anything. my computer is running windows 7 32 bit, I also tried on 2 other computers with w7 64 bit and still no go. Any help will be apreciated thank you.
[Desire HD Android Development] PoseyBAH:
i was having the same problem, double check your goldcard. Make sure your using the correct cid mmc2. if you copy to clipboard it copies the wrong number. so put it in manually.
[Desire HD Android Development] Nankov:
I did put it manualy. I think it gives an error when the gold card is not correct. It just fills the bar on the side once blue then brown and after it finishes its supposed to tell me to press volume up to install but it doesn't it just sits there like normal.
[Desire HD Android Development] Jazz8:
Did you make your card while it was in your DHD? If not, try that.

I had problems with my gold card as I set it up with a USB adapter at first. Once I set it up using my DHD, it seemed to work afterward.
[Desire HD Android Development] EZ44:
Can someone please post a link to an 'unmodified' stock build.prop for the Telus Desire HD.

Thanks.
[Desire HD Android Development] Nankov:
yes I tried both still the same.. really weird.
[Desire HD Android Development] daandman:
I reverted back to stock using RUU, but when I go to HBOOT it says ENG-OFF. Why is that, am I still rooted?
[Desire HD Android Development] bitbitbit:
If I remember correctly, that stage of the downgrade process has nothing to do with the computer (you already got it initiated). Make sure your card is formatted as fat32. I formatted my card within android and it was formatted as fat. The phone won't read the downgrade image if the card is formatted as fat.
[Desire HD Android Development] Mr.Kakarot:
quick question, I had to get a new telus desire hd.... locked to telus. But I do not have a telus sim... so I cannot access the market etc...

do I have to do the gold card part / have a active telus sim card? to be able to root/unlock?

thx
[Desire HD Android Development] BJNK:
No you don't need a telus Sim. But you will need to follow the rest of the guide. I did mine without any sim in at all.
[Desire HD Android Development] Mr.Kakarot:
thanks for the quick reply, I forgot about wifi, lol...
[Desire HD Android Development] Mr.Kakarot:
hmmm

22- Run Easy Radio Tool (in the "Step 23 - Easy Radio Tool" folder), select the first option (especially if you want to SIM unlock, if not the Radio S-OFF option is sufficient). Follow the directions in the program. It may fail at one point and your phone will restart. If it does, thats ok just run it again and it'll finish successfully this time.

I check the first one, it keeps saying unknown error, probably connection. I tried quite a few times... I did skip b.c because it said I could...

thx

weird, had to use visionary... did not need that last time!
[Desire HD Android Development] Trevor_g:
My story:

After walking through the flashing / rooting process (and retracing my steps countless times)... I STILL wasn't getting any cell signal. This was even after applying the Telus kernal (before and after the Radroid Stockify Telus ROM)... nothing. I was really, really frustrated...

Then I realized why: I had left both the battery cover AND SD / SIM card cover off (or mostly off) during the process. As SOON as I snapped them back in -- boom, full signal.

Clearly, the little contacts on these plastic parts act as antennae (or at least, aid it).

Thought I'd post this for the next frustrated sucka.

Love this forum & those who devote so much time / energy to help us... thankyou!
[Desire HD Android Development] waylman:
just curious what ROMS you guys are using?

I'm finding sound is awful in CM7 even with audio fixes

I'm currently using Revolution 2.0.15 as releases after that seem to have made the volume drop a lot while listening to headphones.
[Desire HD Android Development] Mr.Kakarot:
I started with cm7... and I agree with the sound issue... so then I tried leedroid 2.2.2.... amazing, 1804mhz, stable, proven.... just an amazing experience IMO.

Now I am trying his gingerbread sense rom... not as established as the above one, but it is also brand new...

;)

give them a try, you will not be disappointed!
[Desire HD Android Development] MoeKz:
Anyone know why I'm getting errors when I'm trying to downgrade? Usually happens when I type "adb shell /data/local/tmp/psneuter". Says failed to backup or something. Have a lot of trouble downgrading. I just need to unlock the phone. Not really looking into rooting right now..

EDIT: Ended up working. Kept trying over and over and kept making a new goldcard. Took long but finally worked.
[Desire HD Android Development] Mr.Kakarot:
dunno if this helps, but once I made a mistake... and no matter what I tried, it kept giving me an error...

so I deleted all the files and started from scratch... worked. Also, at certain times the phone has to be set to charge on - unless transfering files... then disk drive, sometimes I would forget to switch back, lol...

hmmm, make sure you have that usb debugging mode on as well? start fresh and dont miss a step... I did this twice now on telus hds, worked both time

gl
[Desire HD Android Development] MrGiggles:
So I have done the rooting and s off etc have not touched any kernals yet I have no mobile data.. on my telus. I am confused on what to do next. I am downloading the stockify rom right now and I will flash that..

Will that fix my data problem?
[Desire HD Android Development] mysterysnake:
You might need to enter your APN settings manually to get data back. It should be under settings/wireless & network/mobile networks/ access point names. I had the same problem when I first rooted.
[Desire HD Android Development] mysterysnake:
Edit: double post
[Desire HD Android Development] MrGiggles:
Radio is back after doing the stockify rom but no gps.. i did 1.84 everything is good but gps will not turn on :( hate being 99% finished haha
[Desire HD Android Development] dortok:
Are the only ROMs that support the dual mic of the Telus Desire HD the ROMs that come from base Telus or Inspire?
[Desire HD Android Development] LGRD:
Dual mic?
[Desire HD Android Development] dortok:
Dual Microphone... Telus version and Inspire have a second microphone near camera that provides noise cancellation.
[Desire HD Android Development] Dwnshft:
Ok, i'm having serious issues with this.

I've created the goldcard fine. But as detailed as the directions are on the downgrade process I can't seem to follow. Here are my questions (issues)

1) Where is the downgrade folder? Do you have to create it? If so, where?

2) When you run the cmd and enter the "abd" commands, is this in the windows cmd terminal or on the phones cmd terminal?

3) Do we still need to use visionary for temp/perm root?

This whole process is completely different then how I rooted my Milestone.

Can anyone really dumb this process down for me?
[Desire HD Android Development] waylman:
Not sure what you are asking in your first question.

Use windows for adb commands

You don't need visionary
[Desire HD Android Development] Dwnshft:
When I tried the adb commands I got some kind of error message that it was an invalid command.

Also, I was asking where the "downgrade" file folder should be located. And at what point in the process would this be created?
[Desire HD Android Development] waylman:
Try from another pc if possible

I had problems on one pc and it worked fine on another
[Desire HD Android Development] Dwnshft:
I can't. I only have my laptop. Is there something else I can try?

Also...just curious...at what point does the file that you put in the root of the SD get updated?

I've read through the guide and most of the posts and I just feel like I'm missing something.
[Desire HD Android Development] waylman:
I would start from scratch...if you don't get the gold card right you are hooped.

Follow the guide very closely...all the steps are there.
[Desire HD Android Development] Ballfuzz:
I have to say that coming from the Xperia X10, with one step rooting apps, this process seems very complicated!
[Desire HD Android Development] roccos_van:
It's not too bad. The op did an excellent job with this package...follow step by step the instructions; I did it on the first try.
[Desire HD Android Development] caanda45:
Hello in the process in coming from a Samsung Captivate and trying to gain root etc....I have found this site that is pretty good, what do you guys think??? Seems a bit simpler...http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-root-telus-htc-desire-hd/

Also I am having problems the command prompts do not seem to work. I get this ''abd' is not recognized as a internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

This may be a dumb question but I am going to ask it anyway in the command prompts that have to be typed in, an example adb then it is a space then push space etc, am I getting that right at least???.....

adb push psneuter /data/local/tmp

adb push misc_version /data/local/tmp

adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/psneuter

adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/misc_version

adb shell /data/local/tmp/psneuter

adb shell

Sorry for the dumb questions just want to root this puppy and get off the awe-full stock rom!!!!

Any help would be most appreciated, it seemed to work once then I got errors and got the # instead of $ then I " f "ed up. Is that mess up meaning I have to erase something and start again?

Does the goldcard need to be put on the SD card?

One other tid bit of information, the phone will not connect to the HTC sync, does that matter at all?

Thanks for any help!!!
[Desire HD Android Development] jkoljo:
First of all, you should read the downgrade guide here in XDA. It is a sticky, and contains everything you need to know.

The adb error is caused by the fact that you are not in the folder where adb.exe is located in your cmd.
[Desire HD Android Development] caanda45:
Well that is not the case, I am and it still gives me the same error!!!!

I think it is that this computer I am using is a 64 bit system, hmm will try on the laptop...
[Desire HD Android Development] jkoljo:
Are you sure that you typed "adb" instead of "abd"?
[Desire HD Android Development] caanda45:
No typing the right commands here, didn`t work on my laptop, getting the 64 bit sync, maybe that will work......
[Desire HD Android Development] Ballfuzz:
It's very detailed for sure, it's just very long and complicated compared to other devices.
[Desire HD Android Development] caanda45:
Yeah finally got it done, had to bring the big guns in the son who helped me with the command prompts....not so idiot proof for me the idiot.

Thanks to the op for the work, lol a harder process than the captivate, I guess HTC makes it more difficult but not impossible!!!