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[Off-topic] saurabh88:
I have read in today newspaper that both CEO from Nokia and Microsoft have met and decided to join and will launch new Nokia windows based smart phone in 2011-12.

they are going to take this step against Apple and highly growing android device to jeep them both alive in competition
[Off-topic] kaidoh:
I thinks that Nokia is wrong. But only the time will tell us that's true or not.
[Off-topic] rhapsodixx:
with this..nokia wil be far away from android :confused:
[Off-topic] Torino10:
More Competition is a good thing, I have heard mostly nothing but good things about WP7, but having never seen one in real life I'm not so sure. Symbian will be missed by some, I think it might have been better if Nokia started selling Android and WP7 handsets.
[Off-topic] vbetts:
Nokia has already said they don't want to go Android. I don't agree with this, but symbian was a dying platform, and they chose Windows Phone 7 to keep them going. I'm glad they chose an Os that has some interest in it, unlike Meego. Meego has hardly any type of interest in it. Intel is even going on the Android train against Meego, even though they created Meego with Nokia.
[Off-topic] saurabh88:
yes.we will see something New.and yes they decided to go with windows
[Off-topic] copius:
It is kind of disappointing though that they couldn't get anyone interest in Meego. I would definitely like to see new OS from Nokia that was interesting.

Even though they're making some Win7 Phones, Nokia still mentioned they were more interested in developing their own phone software. Who knows what will happen in the next 2-3 years though.
[Off-topic] SimonOnline2000:
I admit I that it is sad that they at least reduced speed for MeeGo.

But well,

at their current situation if kind of makes sense. Microsoft needs someone that the first generation of WP7 wasn't the last in the market. And I guess there are already too many good Android manufacturers. So hopefully WP7 helps them to survive the next two years and hopefully they are by then done with ready-to-release MeeGo version.
[Off-topic] manrayboy:
i think noia is making the wrong move
[Off-topic] jam3s:
Me to, this is going to be a disaster
[Off-topic] rahul17:
Well i dont think nokia did anything wrong.

If all phone have same Android Os than no body will purchase nokia. So i think this is very good move of nokia that it going with window and not choose Android.

Even Local mobile phone company also has Android Os on thair Cheap Smartphones.

By the way Meego also have very small market till now.

But if nokie going with Window , so Nokia Qt will also support in Nokia's Window phone. i dont think nokia wasted their time to make Qt Market and developers.

So i hope Qt will support in Nokia's Window Phone.

watch this what 3rd party developers say about the merger...
[Off-topic] panjian:
haha, Maybe my next phone is nokia with wp7..
[Off-topic] s1xtY40:
On one side, they're right to drop Symbian and move on to something newer.

On the other side, they're wrong to chose WP7 and not Android, cause Android is 'the new hotness'. It's getting all the developer love and support, while we haven't even heard of ANNOUNCEMENTS for ports of popular apps.

I don't know what their deal with Android is, but at least they're doing something new on a new OS, not stone-age Symbian.
[Off-topic] 007K:
Symbian is officially dying, Nokia did the sensible thing.
[Android Apps and Games] jaykresge:
I did a clean install of CM7. It seems that Google removed Car Home from the market. I found an older apk for Froyo, but it had issues running on CM7. Anyone have or able to point me to the most revent version? I believe that it was version 2.2.1.4.

I've checked prior threads, but the most receng on this board was prior to the November and January updates to this app.
[Android Apps and Games] jaykresge:
Back to the first page.
[Android Apps and Games] RideZeLitenin:
Funny, all I can find for Car Home on the Market is the "Car Home Beta" by TheSpinningHead and some other apps of the like. Although I have yet to find the actual google "Car Home"

Despite the fact that it shows up here:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.google.android.carhome

and here"

http://www.androidblip.com/android-apps/car-home-120007.html
[Android Apps and Games] jaykresge:
Yup, it's on the market, but shows my phone is not being compatible when running CM7. Seeing if anyone has the APK.
[Android Apps and Games] METHOD1911:
I have the apk but no computer. All you have to do is download gapps I got mines from the hero cdma section. Under the cm stable. It's in there in the system app folder. Hope this helps. I can try to email it to
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/

Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.

Cordially

Blitz
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
you sir would be correct, that will not work on a sprint network.
[EVO 4G General] sgt. slaughter:
HSPA+ is run on GSM networks NOT CDMA which is what sprint and Verizon use. Hence the different stuff on each network ex. EVDO, and HSPA
[EVO 4G General] elegantai:
I think at&t also is going to be using hspa+
[EVO 4G General] kd0axs:
Yes, but keep in mind that leak is coming from Korea and it's going to be at MWC so it's no surprise that it only mentions a GSM / HSPA+ version. Nothing says that there wont be a CDMA / LTE / Wimax version for Sprint / Verizon.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G with Tapatalk
[EVO 4G General] bckoolaid:
HSPA+ is what the GSM carriers are doing for 4G right now. I think ATT is going to do LTE, T-mobile doesn't plan on it...I just switched back to sprint from t-mobile and the speed difference is ridiculous. Even on 4G, I am getting half the data speeds that I did with t-mobile HSDPA. Definitely not what I expected.
[EVO 4G General] datajosh:
When the original Galaxy S was announced, it was GSM only as well but variants came out for all the carriers. I wouldn't buy anything from Samsung though, regardless of how appealing it seems.
[EVO 4G General] drmacinyasha:
*sigh*

HSPA+ = GSM = AT&T, T-Mobile, and 99% of all carriers in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and South America.
[EVO 4G General] cdszoke:
Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
[EVO 4G General] fwdixon:
Um, actually most of the world uses GSM, which is why gsm phones are commonly referred to as "world phones"
[EVO 4G General] liquidtenmillion:
No, phones that are gsm AND CDMA are referred to as world phones typically.
[EVO 4G General] fwdixon:
Actually, the term pre-dates combo GSM/CDMA devices and was used to refer to GSM phones since GSM networks were the predominate cell technology outside of the US (and still are).

Oh, and to the OP, HSPA+ is being marketed as "4G" currently by AT&T alongside their yet-to-be-launched LTE network. Talk about confusing :D You may find that with a little bit of effort,( or none at all) HSPA+ equipped devices will bet interchangeable between T-mobile and AT&T. There are also rumours that some LTE-equipped devices will be able to swap between Verizon and AT&T.
[EVO 4G General] rockky:
Yep..me too. Actually breaking my contract (less than a year in because of Sprints abysmal speed) as soon as Infuse, or Galaxy 2 etc break.
[EVO 4G General] gessin64:
Can't wait for the infuse 4g .... 4.5 in screeen wow
[EVO 4G General] m00nshake:
I lived in Cambodia for five years and travelled between often to Thailand and other countries. They all use GSM...
[EVO 4G General] m00nshake:
I'm breaking contract with T-mobile. I had a G1, loved it. Got a Vibrant, it was a nightmare trying to get it to work correctly, although I can't lie, I still enjoyed having it. Got a Nexus S, too many problems, returned it. Got a MT4G, nice phone, runs smoothly, but the screen was too small and the phone itself is a bit on the ugly side.

The real determing factor for me was that Sprint has 4G in my area, all of the other providers have 3G, and T-mobile is still running on Edge. I'm within my 30 day trial period w/ Sprint and the Evo, and I'll see how it goes. I was really hoping on going w/ Verizon and the HTC Thunderbolt, but alas, it's still up-in-the-air when it will come out. Verizon is more expensive as well when it comes to data plans. And as far as the MT4G, although CM7 runs very well on it, and it is very stable, I still can't bring myself to buying a 4G phone from a company that only offers Edge in my area (supposedly the military base near here is using their 3G towers to link to Afghanistan, but that's their problem, not mine)
[EVO 4G General] m00nshake:
Do yourself a favor... don't buy a Samsung device. They make good screens, I'll admit. But you'll be waiting for updates forever, and somebody won't release the code... just look at the Vibrant threads... they haven't even gotten CM6, let alone CM7.
[EVO 4G General] drmacinyasha:
You're an idiot. The only places outside of North America that CDMA are used are sporadically in China, a carrier or two in Japan, here and there in the rest of Asia, and that's about it.

"World phones" are AT&T (since they use different frequencies than the rest of the world's GSM networks except for... Telstra in Australia?), Verizon, and Sprint phones which have extra radios that support the standard quad-band networks. That's why there's two models of the Nexus One: A T-Mobile/World model, and the AT&T model.
[EVO 4G General] mikeschevelle:
The future of mobile is going to be in wifi not cellular. Hspa+ is TM's trial run at nailing down seemless transfer from 4G to wifi for data and voice calls. Assuming there are not many stumbling blocks, their future (and any other wireless companies that dont want to be left behind) will be into switching to running purely off wifi towers.
[Atrix 4G General] jamezr:
All you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about AT&T and the Atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the Atrix then don't get it! If you don't like AT&T then don't get the Atrix! There are TONS of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.

Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is FORCING you to buy the phone or have AT&T if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.

Give it a rest...I have 3 lines on AT&T and one on Sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4G ALL of them do!
[Atrix 4G General] theknub:
and by posting this you start a flame war. was it really necessary?
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.

I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.
[Atrix 4G General] jamezr:
Lol...yes I did misspell AT&T in the title.....

I just was frustrated with all the troll postings about this phone. People come to learn about this phone. Not have to wade through all the negative postings about AT&T and the new phone. Its almost as if by design they are trying to discourage interest in the Atrix.....
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
[Atrix 4G General] jamezr:
i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.

I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.

Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.

If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.

Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.

The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Well you don't need to hold the device to know about the tethering rip off. Or double a netbook price for a screen, battery, and keyboard.

The phone itself isn't garnering much $ complaints as far as I've seen.
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.

All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me :D), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.

This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.

The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.

If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.

Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.

Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.

How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.

Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?

Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.
[Atrix 4G General] opensourcefan:
It seems as though all those that continuously beet down the Atrix secretly like it, because if I don't like something I move on. Why some need to be negative over and over and over with every post is beyond me.
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.
[Atrix 4G General] jamezr:
You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?

Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????

You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????
[Atrix 4G General] jamezr:
You have a point,,,we are all here to discuss and exchange info on the new phone and everything involved or about it. But it just seems like most of what I have been seeing was so negative. Thing is no one knows yet. No one has a bill saying this is what it was before and this what it is now....There just seemed to be a lot posters trolling with negative posts when no one knows yet. I want to discuss the phone and its new technical aspects and the carrier but not have to wade through all the blatant negativity.....
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
The Honda Civic isn't the world's first car. Guess what, even if the Civic cost $12 million, it isn't up to you what it costs. If you don't like it, you are free to start your own company and build your own car. Failing that, you can shop elsewhere. Trolling the Honda Civic forums is probably not the best idea you could come up with, however. Perhaps you could visit the forum of a car that you do own, or a car that you can afford to buy when it comes out.

The pricing is what it is. If you can't afford it, get a better job so that you can. Anyone can find out the price of the Atrix and its accessories, and you calling their pricing 'ridiculous' doesn't help anyone here. Everyone can make up their own mind about the pricing, and decide for themselves whether or not they would like to buy the phone and/or its accessories.
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.

I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.

You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.

I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
You're welcome!
[Atrix 4G General] kbc88:
I think you and jamezr are misunderstanding the point of the complaints here.

I can almost guarantee you that most griefers here on the forums, and on the tech websites are NOT upset about the pricing of the phone itself, but rather, the greediness that ATT blatantly portrays. They are money hungry.

Now, unlocked bootloader? expected. No sideloading? Expected. Nothing XDA devs can't work around though, but still, these are typical problems.

The true problems lie with these situations:

-For those who HAVE unlimited data plans and planned on getting the dock no matter what the pricing? ATT forces you to get tethering which will kill your unlimited grandfather plan for a measly 2-4GB. (Trust me, 4GB is way too little if you plan on having a full blown browser/laptop-like device). Why do we need tethering again when the phone itself is still the generator? (look up the definition of tethering, this doesn't satisfy). I would like to add that the HD MULTIMEDIA DOCK DOESN'T REQUIRE TETHERING. wtf?

-The straight-up pricing of the laptop dock, why would you price a brick at 500 dollars is beyond me.

But seriously, if you two want to go ahead and PROMOTE ATTs ridiculous mindset of totally turning off it's customer's with OBVIOUS stupidity on their side, then you oblivious guys are the reason why ATT is still doing this.
[Atrix 4G General] kbc88:
I would also like to add, that your example of the civic is totally unreasonable. If a car company like honda decides to promote the crap out of a new honda civic, making the majority of their customer base extremely excited, and releases it with an outrageous price of 12 million, do you seriously think that you can say, "oh its 12 million, let it be they do what they want." Or would you cause an uproar to SLAP some sense into the company who OBVIOUSLY has money-hungry antics.

People want the device, that's the point, and its very obvious that it can be MUCH more affordable than it is. People here are taking arms and complaining and attempting to make petitions against ATT. If ATT swoons 99% of its customers to the Atrix and its accessories, then slaps 95% of them in the face leaving them angry/unwanting the device, there's a problem.