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[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
Do me a favor, and ask the devs how many folks have updated their roms and modems...then peak back and see how many folks have that issue lol. You think devs would push something out if they noticed errors like that? I don't have errors like that? So I must be doing something right...wtf could it be? Oh yeah, starting fresh after each flash. Devs have to find work arounds for other's issues because most of the time they fail to do things right. **** why do you think we have ODIN back to stock files? So when people who jump the gun AND **** up (Take a look in general...how many can we find today? Oh 5 within the first page ALONE)....we don't have to walk them through everything. So riddle me this, why does my phone wake from sleep? Why does my phone not stay awake?

Our hardware is the same, and so is the software we downloaded...which leads me to the only other possibility...USER ERROR.

Edit: I mean **** lol, I have a rooted phone, running on a verizon radio using cricket settings with a custom hybrid prl, running leaked froyo and still have no issues.
[Fascinate General] AlexDeGruven:
It's quite obvious that you have never been involved in any kind of testing cycle.

Far too often, I've seen apparently identical hardware perform vastly different with identical software builds due to miniscule differences that don't get noticed on a day-to-day basis (and have required extensive hardware and software system dump analysis), but manifest themselves in disastrous ways when certain conditions are met.

If 20% of my customers reported that my latest AIX build performed poorly for their Oracle databases, I wouldn't tell them "It's fine on the other 80%, what are you complaining about?". I would do whatever was in my power, including talking directly to AIX and IBM Hardware support to resolve the issue.

Were I adryn or JT, or birdman, or anyone else who develops on here, I would welcome any and all feedback regarding anything I put out. Are you saying that they should simply say "It works great for everyone else, STFU"?
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
LOL...you're referring to the "bathtub curb"...I find it incredibly unfathomable that out of the .5% or fascinate owners that actually root their phones 20% have legitimate issues...lmfao. How many of the the threads have people saying, "wiped data and cache and reinstalled, everything is great..thanks (insert name of dev)." Samsung is shotty with some things...but pushing out a product with that high a yield of failure rates would be as if they were manufacturing **** like GM and Ford in the 90's
[Fascinate General] AlexDeGruven:
I'm going to stop answering in this thread now, because your ignorance is quite staggering, and is actually starting to make me feel angry and a little bit sad for you.

Your continual argument of "Most people are fine with it. Do you honestly think that only 20% could indicate a problem?" is just ridiculous to the point of annoying. Particularly because yes, 20% could indicate a problem.

So I leave this thread with a quote from one of my favorite movies, Billy Madison, which states my feeling almost precisely:

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard.

At no point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
For a quote that's kind of a long one...plus I didn't listen to anything...and I'm pretty sure everybody else "Reading" this thread would agree ;) You apparently don't get my humor. Again as stated way up yonder, I'm sure there are people with issues. But those with genuine problems are eclipsed by others continuously *****ing about bugs when they don't do things right the first time. Go back and read how many "issues" were fixed with a wipe and reload...the number is staggering. I understand that you're frustrated...but trust me, I know exactly how you feel when I'm having to read the same ****ing thread everyday just posted by a different user only for them to say, oh wipe/wipe/reload fixed it.
[Fascinate General] Scrappy1:
I couldn't agree more with AlexDeGruven. There are obvious things worse about DL30 and EB01 battery life.

I've been doing a lot of my own investigations on EB01, and found something interesting about WIFI battery usage. First, there are lots of posts that tell you to change the WIFI sleep policy to "When screen turns off" or "Never when plugged in" in order to get back to DL09 type WIFI battery performance. However, even when I did this, I still lost lots of battery with WIFI enabled and phone inactive (screen off). I found that going into Location & security and disabling "Google location services" makes a big difference. With this disabled, I now get the extremely slow battery loss (< 1% / hr) when phone is inactive and WIFI enabled. Of course, if WIFI sleep policy is set to "Never", the power consumption goes way up. Note, in all cases, I'm leaving "Mobile data" enabled. Now then, GPS is another issue. Whenever I enable that, even though I have no background apps or active apps using GPS, it still drains the battery in a way DL09 never did. That I don't know how to solve.
[Fascinate General] soba49:
For the record: there are a few issues with EB01. As nmyeti was good enough to point out, leaving GPS on does have a noticeable affect on battery life compared to eclair releases. I have also run into issues with my clock being wrong (6 to 20 slow), my alarm never going off, bluetooth becoming unpredictable, and the phone getting so confused that it can't even make an outgoing call without a power cycle. I have hit so many little bugs in this release that I really sympathize for the devs working on vanilla and CM9 2.2+ releases. Clearly it is hairy work.

Now do any of these issues prevent 80% of users from getting 14,15 our even more hours of use? Of course not, and nice job of making up statistics by the way. However battery longevity is LESS with EB01 than with DL09. I varied from 2 to 4 hours of display on time vs. 4-6, and more like 20 with extremely light usage vs. 30 hours. Nothing to really cry about, only not what some of us are used to. In fact, the deficit can be largely mitigated by turning off unused components. I even go so far as to state that the battery problems aren't enough to make any impact in my use most days.

EB01 is functional, and a suitable daily driver for many of us. Flash really does work; speakerphone and navigation volume are much louder; and it runs very smoothly even in touch wiz.

However, the OP is acting like a tool. Though I agree standardizing procedure is generally good practice, it is only crucial that that procedure is recognized so that data is not correlated incorrectly. I will stand by my flame until he can substantiate anything he said in a cogent way, particularly that flashing without a full battery automatically causes lifespan issues. (I understand why one would think this, since I have seen positive results from battery conditioning and negative results from misuse)

I am a routine-oriented fellow myself, but I like to occasionally break procedure -- perhaps I over assumed or missed something. I tried reflashing my fascinate at 3/4, 1/2 and 1/3rd life. I checked the stats and I watched my drain rate. I observed no change. I cry misinformation.

To the OP:

To tell others that their problems stem out of their differences from you is borderline fascist. If that is your tact you ought to at least support your statements. Keep it reasonable, thanks.

Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, mumble.
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
Need I say...or actually...should you say more? This thread is about battery issues such as the thread title suggests...period. I've been flashing since android 1.6 and can tell you, I have NEVER had any issues with battery life as the likes as I am witnessing people on here claim when flashing on a full charge and wiping bat stats. Not to mention, these people *****ing are coming from DL09 kernels underclocked or custom. If you want great battery life go back. I don't think the devs want to hear you ***** about issues they are aware of trying to fix what they can without complete sources. If you are having issues go back and wait for a 100% official update to be released...easy as that. To put it simply, a majority of the users that are having issues are not full cycling and wiping data. How do I know? From personal experience. Now yes there are bugs that will hinder the performance of the device, but just to prove my point I flashed back to DI01 stock then back up to EB01 with adryns superclean 2.3 voodoo. Here are my stats not touching a single got damn thing:

12:48:37 since unplug

Display: 77%

Cell Standby: 8%

Battery level: 35%

Nothing like the *****ing I hear folks screaming about 9 hours. And every post has been sent from this device and I've been on this forum for 5 straight hours while I'm sitting here bored surfing around...so what next?
[Fascinate General] beray5:
Wiping battery stats at 3/4, 1/2 and 1/3rd life will show instant notable battery life results, I suggest saving "/data/system/batterystats.bin" for later restoration before testing.
[Fascinate General] SnrSuave:
Is your GPS on? I have the same problem others have posted where my battery drains real fast with GPS enabled in the pull down shade. I even flashed back to di01 then straight to eb01. Same issue.
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
It's a straight flash...i didn't do anything and checking now....no gps is not on in the drop down. I literally flashed everything and started from stock back up. Not adjusting any settings.
[Fascinate General] soba49:
Just a quick clarification in case anyone is unfamiliar with battery stats.

Display 77% means that half the battery was discharged (65*77%) while the display was on, not that it was on for 77% of that duration (77% of 12:49 would be 9:52 if that were the case). For this reason it is helpful to click through Display to find the actual number of minutes.

For instance for me today on optimized DL09 w/ GPS on:

7:23 total (50% battery used)

Display: 52% (2 hours)

Voice: 11 minutes

Standby: 48% without signal

Idle: 5%

...which is pretty similar to what you posted.

EDIT: Thank you for updating.

Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, mumble.
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
Fwiw...display 78% now at 3 hrs 52 min...bat level is now at 32%
[Fascinate General] smilepak:
i have to say, EB01 battery really suck.

Wipe cache, wipe data, wipe battery, battery @ 100% install super clean 2.3. restore all apps from titanium backup.

unplug charge

in 1 hour, it went from 100% to 90%. 10% in one hour? dang...that is w/o making any phone call, no texting during this period...

Display brightness @ 35%

Wifi off

GPS on

Bluetooth off

man the battery sucks.
[Fascinate General] gabenoob:
I get about a days (24 hours, not a day as in sunlight) worth of bat-life on my phone, I don't use it as avidly as others though, its whatever though. Keep in mind it also has to do with HOW you charge your phone, certain things are good, certain things are bad for l-ion batteries
[Fascinate General] Domush:
I reject your over generalisation in order to blame phone owners. Pony up some actual specifics or go away.

Sent from my SCH-I500
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
Seriously? I just caught a guy on the forum who fried his usb port using an aftermarket charger...is that proof enough?

Edit: And the best part...guess what he was blamming his issue on in the first place? The Devs Rom. So tired of it.
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
I think you all are taking this the completely wrong way hence the reason there is rebuttal after rebuttal for everything I post. I will say it plain and simple what exactly my gripe is, there's no rebuttal for it, it's plain and simple.

1. Wipe cache and data and do a full battery cycle. If that doesn't help see rule 2

2. Hop online and SEARCH to see if this is a known issue. If it is, post in that thread.

3. REMEMBER: YOU ARE ON BLEEDING EDGE TECHNOLOGY FOR THIS DEVICE, IF THIS IS WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO BE...THEN KEEP IN MIND, THERE'S A REASON THEY CALL IT BLEEDING EDGE

Edit: Click the Bold'd phrase for your viewing definition pleasure.
[Fascinate General] Mikes30000:
I absolutely 2nd this observation. I have been running w/ wifi on all day. I tried all combinations of setting for the wifi sleep policy: never, when screen turns off, never when plugged in. With the screen on and off the battery kept draining at an extremely fast rate until I was down to 8% in about 7 hours. For the heck of it, I toggled wifi off and let my phone use 3g data. It has taken a couple hours to go from 8% to 6%. I will do some more testing, i.e. using the phone for a full day on only 3g and again on only wifi to see if I can get a noticeable change in battery life.
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
I can tell you now, switching wifi off will improve your battery life by at least 3 hours...how do I know...personal experience.
[Fascinate General] exzacklyright:
10% an hour is the norm for me... heavy use 20%
[Fascinate General] johnnyv5:
Unless you have poor 3g signal. If I keep my wifi on in my office all day because of bad reception then I can get about a good days use of the phone. If I turn wifi off and rely on the 3g the battery drains faster.....

jv
[Fascinate General] bL33d:
Battery life sux on eb01 simple as that, follow all teh steps u want it still sux monkey balls. Im not on here *****ing about it cause its not a stock rom or even a release version.

But gps off battery stats wipe fully charge let die recharge does not matter. But act like a smart ass if it makes you feel better.
[Fascinate General] Domush:
I charged to 100% and flashed super clean 2.4 and I have gotten better battery life today than I have for the past many days of trying all of the other battery life tricks.

From 8am-6.30pm still at 41%.

Display 57% @ 33 minutes

That is amazing life compared to what I was getting

It still doesn't seem like as much as I used to get with dj09.

Sent from my SCH-I500
[Fascinate General] JoeDat:
68% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Or is it 71%? Ah hell, I can't remember. I made it up anyways.

/Ducks and runs
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
Telling ya it works...
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
Not being a smart ass...always trying to help. Read domush's comment.
[Fascinate General] Mikes30000:
I have been running a short test today on battery life. I turned Wi-fi on and set the sleep policy to When Screen Turns off. in 24 mins. with screen off I dropped 4%. I shut off wi-fi and relied on 3g only. In 50 mins. i have dropped 0% with 3g only. Side note, I get awesome wifi signal. My 3g and cell service is 0 to 1 bars. So even w/ crappy cell service I still get awesome battery life. I am declaring a definite bug with WiFi. This so far confirms my suspicion.

***sorry for mistake, i meant that i set the wifi to "when screen turns off", and not "never" as I had previously posted
[Fascinate General] SotYPL:
I'm on SC 2.4v and think that my battery life is kinda good. I have really poor 3G reception at home (lot of time switches to 1x) and phone been there for around 13hrs. Remaining time was at work when I get 3 bars (~ -83dBm). I did recommended wipe procedure after flashing (charge full, turn off then charge till 100%, wipe battery stats and cache, turn on then charge till 100%). 47% left after 22h42m of light usage. Screen shoots below:

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[Fascinate General] Scrappy1:
Mikes30000, try setting WIFI sleep policy to "When screen turns off", and then also go into Location & security and disable "Google location services". This is the only combination with EB01 that allows me to keep WIFI enabled all the time while preventing lots of screen-off battery usage.
[Fascinate General] rowuncw:
Excellent point. I have found poor 3g signal to have the biggest adverse effect on my battery life. I get poor reception inside my house, but have wifi there so use that most of the time, but in my cube at work deep inside an office building I have to rely on a poor signal and it obliterates my battery life (I've seen it go down as much as 10% in half an hour if I'm using the phone). I had to buy a charger to keep at my desk so I will be juiced up by the time I leave for the day.
[Fascinate General] johnnyv5:
Just confirmed this. I've been running without the wifi for the past 2 hours and I've gone from 100% to 71% with same use as yesterday. By the time I left yesterday (After 8 hours of use) was at 69%. I woke up this morning and the phone was at 19% after 20hrs of moderate use. Gonna keep wifi disabled to see how I fair rest of day.

jv

edit: if you find you need wifi only enabled in certain spots then you can use an app called y5. It remembers locations that you enabled wifi and disables and enables as you leave the locatoin. I have this for home and work, the two places that my signal is pretty low. It uses vzw location services instead of gps so doesn't eat too much battery. Hope this helps.

jv
[Fascinate General] Mikes30000:
Please see my previous post as I screwed up what I typed in the Wifi Policy. I indeed set the policy to shut off when the screen is off. However, I did have VZW and Google location services enabled. I just re-enabled wifi and shut off Google location services. I will post back in a few hours to see if my idle battery drain is similar to without wifi enabled
[Fascinate General] johnnyv5:
5.5 hours with wifi enabled and same if not more use from the phone and at 72%. So if anyone is having poor signal and wifi is available I recommend turning wifi on.

jv
[Fascinate General] agsded:
I know what the probelm is, 95% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

:-P
[Fascinate General] dricacho:
I reflashed my phone last night to get Blackhole 4.2 in there. I wiped and flashed the phone with a full charge. Last night I didn't have this issue. Just now, right after charging my battery and unplugged it from the wall charger, battery reads at 88%! I got the battery fully charged pop-up so I know the battery is fully charged. I tried wiping the dalvic cache and battery stats several times and it didn't help. What's next?? :confused:
[Fascinate General] agsded:
Realistically though....there are sooo many variables that affect every aspect of an electronic device in today's society that the battery life is easily going to be unpredictable from device to device. The amount of gain that has to be applied to the incoming radio signal is dependant on distance from tower interference from obstacles, electromagnetic interference from any other device nearby, magnetic ore deposits in the ground, soil, or mineral content within the building/concrete near you, how much metal is in the building you are inside ofs framework, what kind of metal, maybe you are outside on flat ground, maybe on a hill..then you've got relative humidity, thermal variations within and without the device, barometric pressure maybe the quality control Guy was out drinking the day your phone went down the line and is hungover and basically asleep at the wheel, so the electronic tolerances on parts are more off of the acceptable standard deviation of parts, maybe some components has drifted off value from where it is supposed to be maybe the battery material on the assembly line wasn't just right one day and a few phones slipped out with a slightly different ratio of reagents onside the battery, then you've got differences in ambient lighting causing different screen brightnesses of phones set to auto brightness, then each person setting their brightness different...then the screens are organic based....so that means slight immeasurable differences in how they function screen to screen....different amonunts of burn in affect battery life differently, what's apps are loaded, what versions, did you and person x hit the exact same input strokes all day every day exactly the same.........reality is, predicting battery life is like predicting the weather or the end of the world.....everybody always thinks they know the secret.....everyone is nearly always invariably wrong.....
[Fascinate General] ilprobu2:
I have found from my vast testing that the battery will eventually need charging..thanks < pat on back
[Fascinate General] beray5:
Typically all battery algorithms achieved optimal battery life and accuracy after 3 full cycles of data collection without wiping the stat.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=939425
[Fascinate General] dricacho:
This has never happened before. I have flashed and reflashed my phone so many times from DI01, DJ05, DJ09, DL30, to the current EB01. Not once did I have any battery issue til now.
[Fascinate General] beray5:
There's always a first time, especially with latest CWM partition mounting problems causing data corruptions (lost preferences, disappearing widgets, etc...)

Same thing can happen to your "batterystats.bin".
[Fascinate General] Domush:
As interesting as this might be, it'll never be read simply because it is one big ass paragraph. Your enter key is huge for a reason... consequently, so is the shift key.

No grammar Nazi intended. I'm stating a fact.

EDIT: My word, it's even one big ass sentence!

Sent from my SCH-I500
[Fascinate General] soba49:
I thoroughly enjoyed the mega sentence. My only critique is the majority of those parameters can be tested consistently enough for reach individual phone user.

However, I took the spirit of it yup be entertainment, so the formatting didn't matter.

Bottom line for me is that battery life isn't better going from DL09 to EB01, but not so bad as long as you avoid using data services via a weak signal, and are uncharacteristically frugal about leaving wifi on when sleeping.

EDIT: side note since next post mentions burn in. The best way I have found to avoid that is hiding the status bar up top with ADW. The M in AM and PM sets in the soonest. I changed this the moment I noticed M was burning in, & luckily for me the shadow went away. (Screen Preferences: hide StatusBar. General: swipe down: open/close notifications. live wallpaper)

Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, mumble.
[Fascinate General] dangerismymiddlename.com:
I find that turning the display off when not in use helps. It's easy (press the power button momentarily). Plus that should help lessen burn-it.

According to Battery Use, my screen is 112% of the problem... Wait? What?

You are probably wondering why I mention burn-in if this has an lcd screen? Well this screen tech (super amoled, or whatever) does get burn-in. The clock on my status bar is permanently there (no, not working), when I turn the status bar off. DAMNITALLTOHECK!!!
[Fascinate General] garywojdan81:
Has anyone else noticed any improvement by switching launchers? I started with adw & on dl09 it was great but not on eb01. So I tried the 2.2.1 launcher & battery improved but I've been seeing alot of launcher pro fans with much better results than I've had so I made the switch today. Has anyone swapped launchers & what, if anything, have you seen?

Sent from my SuperClean'd SGS
[Fascinate General] PJnc284:
Interestingly enough, it looks like flashing jt#'s voodoo kernel for EB01 solved my battery issues. Running the debloated/deodexed version of EB01 with the stock kernel, I would drop about 30-40% over 10 hours or so with only light usage. Running voodoo, I currently have 61% left after almost 27hrs with light usage.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lynkx:
Sorry if this has been posted before but I'm having issues with the "back button" pressing itself. I would be in an app and my back button will suddenly press itself. Is anyone else having this issue or I just have a defective phone?

If this is common is there a way I could fix it?