yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Mesmerize] Sighcosis:
I am a dubious person and do not have expectations as I am still uncertain as to your intentions and more importantly you identity.

But if all is as you say I would take back to the powers that be, many are obviously unhappy with having to run outdated software in the form of the OS on what was at the time of purchase cutting edge hardware.

Give us a option. Give us a way to open the phone up and flash a AOSP option. A more Nexus-ish approach would be fantastic.

The Mainstream will have what they require in a stock configuration and we the ones that know what the potential of the device is can help you in pushing it to its limits.
[Samsung Mesmerize] Special_opps:
Well I'm trying to get my post count up so I can comment in development. Anywho kudos to samsung.
[Samsung Mesmerize] bdemartino:
Thanks again John, I'm excited and look forward to hearing your announcement!

For those skeptics, he's been trying to prove that he's legit;

http://img602.imageshack.us/i/20110211164013.jpg/

http://img193.imageshack.us/i/20110211205159.jpg/

http://img46.imageshack.us/i/20110211205212.jpg/

http://img841.imageshack.us/i/20110211205219.jpg/

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11300099&postcount=78

He already posted these in the captivate forum, let's show him a better welcome while we wait for final details!
[Samsung Mesmerize] akellar:
Honeycomb is made for tablets so I don't think that really helps us. And I highly doubt Samsung is going to release Gingerbread directly to XDA if at all.
[Samsung Mesmerize] BakedTator:
maybe samsung will use us for testing and maybe some tweaking...that would give us a chance to develop on it before its officially released and we would just plain out have it early, cause if you give the devs here like 2 weeks with just about anything it will be fully modded and running to its full potential!!!

props to xda devs!!!
[Samsung Mesmerize] SamsungJohn:
Everyone please come over to this thread.

Thanks,

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11375386#post11375386

Twitter:@SamsungJohn
[Samsung Mesmerize] bdemartino:
Hopefully their next approach works out better, they should have known better than to open a topic up to the entire forum :)

They should probably have moderator's from each device take questions from their users, then they could collaborate and get only the good questions answered. (and you wouldn't have to deal with trolls/flames/etc.)
[Samsung Mesmerize] Sighcosis:
Thread Closed...

I suppose the question *since we can't ask specifics* is....

What can you do to help us and or what tools can you provide to the DEVs to help us get every bit of Awesome out of the device that we can.

Put the ball in your court.
[Samsung Mesmerize] monthlymixcd:
Glad THIS thread is still open...

(Does SamsungJohn know how forums work?!?)

ANYhoo... I'm a give 'em enough rope to hang themselves kinda guy and I've actually been recommending the Mesmerize & Fascinate to friends that need new phones based solely on the great XDA community and what they can get those phones to do using only a bread tie, three pennies, and a jar of Cheez Wiz. Kudos to the devs once again!

I had no delusions that Samsung was a great manufacturer... my TV and DVD/home theater unit have had their share of problems... and I was also aware of the OS update delays in other product lines before I got my phone so that wasn't a big surprise either. BUT, I got in on the free phone thing through USCC and (if I EVER get my $80 rebate) I'll still consider being a Mesmerize owner/user a WIN.

What I see here is a classic example of a company that has the OBVIOUS solution within their grasp and they are actively choosing to find an alternative to it that will provide them SHORT TERM monetary gains. They have set themselves up for failure and they have only themselves to blame. Here's a vocabulary lesson for SamsungJohn et al... crowdsourcing
[Samsung Mesmerize] bdemartino:
Guys if you haven't read through it, that topic was closed by a moderator because it was an experiment that failed miserably. (because the general XDA population isn't very good at reading and following instruction, and it turned into a huge flamefest.)

John has been confirmed by several sources to be who he says he is (at least works for samsung) and is here working with the XDA administration to (in an organized way) swap feedback with the developing community (on all samsung products).

On a side note Supercurio has been in correspondence with Korean Samsung and has been also pushing for this very thing to happen, but from what I've read i'ts pure coincidence that John arrived when he did.

Anyway, sounds to me like we need to be patient as information IS coming as soon as they figure out the best way to go about this whole thing. This is how I've taken things from what I've read today, don't quote me....
[Samsung Mesmerize] Sighcosis:
In all fairness Crowdsourceing is what the whole AOSP is about. Android was and is developed to be Open Source. So if a company is reaching out to the community it can't be all bad.

I just think that for the most part a lot of us here are end users.

While I am sure that others like me want to, and strive to learn more, we simply will not be on a par with the current crop of DEVs as they progress as well.

I think the idea of a couple DEVs from each of the respective forums of the variations of the SGS platforms being in contact is a smart idea.

Dcows, Phidelt, and of course JT and many of the OPs in the Samsung Fascinate IRC channel would be obvious choices.

In fact a meeting of the minds in a channel of choice with only participants having voice would be nice as well.

I do understand and hope that SamsungJohn does know as well that most here are simply end users and just wanna know when we will get xxx or yyy ..

I will now go back to my corner get my Java Text out and see if I can learn, learn, learn....
[Samsung Mesmerize] vluhd:
If samsung really wants to get in good with the developement community, they would be wise to make it entirely official, and go to engadget or someone with a press release. If you want to gain our trust, give everyone the AOSP build.

Do I want sammy to be community-minded? Absolutely.

Am I going to trust one guy who says he works for our manufacturer? Well, let's get to the root of that. Do I trust the company who created out hardware? Not at all.
[Samsung Mesmerize] sageDieu:
Yeah I frequent the irc with those guys and we're always willing to help people... I think a lot of people come to forums just to get help and information rather than to develop and theme and stuff like we do. It would probably be more beneficial for Samsungjohn to maybe set up a date on the irc and say like "I will be on from x time to y time" and then people can get on and ask questions and talk about things, and more of the power users who use the irc regularly will get a chance to maybe learn some stuff or help out Samsung.

It would also make it much easier to control, if things get out of hand then the OPs can simply kick or ban the culprits.
[Fascinate General] SamsungJohn:
I haven't forgot about you guys. Today we had a meeting with XDA owners via telephone. Were just getting everything ready before we make a huge announcement. I told you guys I'm NOT going to let you guys down. Just be a little patient.

Thanks

Twitter:@SamsungJohn
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
I'm waiting to see if you are putting your money where your mouth is.
[Fascinate General] Anubis9000:
I hope it something good.
[Fascinate General] Neuman.Tim:
I better see zebra cakes soon or I'm going to explode..everywhere.

(lol)

SCH-I500 - EB01 SuperClean 2.2 Froyo/Voodoo5/Matted Bluebread V1.5
[Fascinate General] mav3rick478:
I'm guessing Froyo update by the end of the month or atleast hoping for it.
[Fascinate General] Kaze105:
Wouldnt really matter for me even if it was, Ill take froyo from devs here over samsung/verizon anytime. (And considering we have froyo, it wouldnt be a huge announcement for us)
[Fascinate General] TheSonicEmerald:
I think Samsug's reputation is already damaged, so releasing Froyo is not gonna change anything (unless they also release the source, but even then). If its gingerbread, ill kiss my dog.

Rockin' DJ05, Liberty Gingerbread, Clocked at 1.2ghz Voodoo

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Waiting on a Bionix rom

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DD username: TheSonicEmerald
[Fascinate General] Jrex:
I lol'd at the gingerbread comment but yeah I would kiss your dog too!
[Fascinate General] xlinth:
I dunno...I'm still skeptical .....gag order?....please tell me different..
[Fascinate General] Anubis9000:
I hope samsung isnt gonna to try to buy xda.
[Fascinate General] tripacer99:
And this announcement should be coming out around when, exactly? This week?
[Fascinate General] Dalamar1320:
Samsung will promise an announcement this week but we will not hear anything till the devs announce that they have taken our phones above and beyond what Samsung ever could.

I kid, I kid.....
[Fascinate General] itsjusttim:
Figured out the announcement...

"we are closing down xda due to the developers making our products usable."

Haha I'm just very interested in what may happen
[Fascinate General] s44:
How about... working AOSP source including drivers.
[Fascinate General] itsjusttim:
We can only dream
[Fascinate General] neh4pres:
Hey john.. How about you're people give us true video out (via 3.5) before I start throwing my phone at babies!

Rocking dj05 and jt's voodoo 5
[Fascinate General] Skrazz:
I'm loving this promise of "something cool" but why us over the other Galaxy-S owners? I'm expecting an Oprah-esque "EVERYONE LOOK UNDER YOUR SEATS" moment
[Fascinate General] xgunther:
It's not just us, check OP's recent posts.
[Fascinate General] tmlhodge:
This is another samsung waiting game, we will hear an update by years end
[Fascinate General] Krustys_:
The line forms to the right. Looking forwad to kissing Sonic's dog! :p
[Fascinate General] iTz Nicholas72:
Giving us AOSP gingerbread so my phone can go even more HAM?!?!!!?!?!!!!?!!!!????!??!
[Fascinate General] mastamoon:
tick, tick, tick...
[Fascinate General] khanable:
Cmon gingerbread!

Wishful thinking :)
[Fascinate General] cappysw10:
So is this the big news? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=955337
[Fascinate General] SamsungJohn:
Everyone please come over to this thread.

Thanks,

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11375386#post11375386

Twitter:@SamsungJohn
[Fascinate General] s44:
Well, the open threads turned into the usual whine barrages, including some guy asking about a bug for which AT&T and Samsung have already basically recalled all offending handsets.

I don't understand the point of *****ing. Ask for stuff we need, on the off chance it's legit. If it is, good. If not, *****ing isn't going to do anything good either.
[Fascinate General] xgunther:
Sorry for the way this went down, I guess we're all just pretty frustrated at Samsung. It's nothing personal towards you and I really appreciated the gesture.
[Fascinate General] Crashspeeder:
I have three requests:

Give me Gingerbread. Clearly our phones can handle it since the Nexus S can

Give us sources to build EVERYTHING from source and/or optimize it

Give me results on the above two points. I'm indifferent as to Samsung's plans or PR. Say less, do more.

As it stands, I'm a big Samsung fan. I love the TVs and I love the phone (hardware, not the software). I urged my friend to get the Nexus S and he loves his phone. What I don't like, however, is how the only update that's been treated with any urgency is the 911 fix. Mention government-imposed penalties and your company stands at attention, however you ignore your customers for months on end otherwise.

Will I buy a Samsung TV in the future? Most definitely. Will I buy a Samsung phone in the future? Not unless it's a Google phone (i.e. Nexus) or has an excellent userbase and active devs.
[Fascinate General] iviustang50h:
Free quad core phones for everyone? :)

Seriously, though, I appreciate that you're watching out for us; that's good to know.
[Fascinate General] s44:
Yeah, but shouldn't it behoove a guy who does this for Samsung to have noticed that @supercurio has already written up (and tweeted about) a bunch of proposals on how Samsung could help/benefit from the open source dev community?
[Fascinate General] FDro:
Well said, I completely agree.
[Fascinate General] SupraLance:
@IvoryCruncher, Where did the Thanks button go when I need it? Great Post!
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
Agree 110%
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Actions speak louder than words. Samsung knows that as well as everyone else. Letting them speak means little.

I will continue to blast Samsung about their slow/nonexistant/buggy releases, because Verizon isn't telling them to code poorly.

Lastly, no GPS has not been fixed for all the SGS variants.

IMO, this is an attempt at damage control, and a poor one at that.

Samsung:

Propose something useful. Show some action. Don't send some dev to post a couple posts and then disappear, and then come back, post a couple more times, then disappear. Thats not opening a dialog, thats an insult.
[Fascinate General] Crashspeeder:
I wouldn't go as far as blasting them. I'm not angry enough for that, but mainly because of you, jt, kaos, birdman, supercurio, etc. You guys make me love my phone. I'm willing to keep it civil with Samsung as long as they provide us sources like I posted previously (and damnit, give me Gingerbread too!), but if they let go of this opportunity to listen to the community then I'll warn everyone who will listen against getting a Samsung phone.

I will still support their TV branch because they're damn good, though. I give them six months to make up for their transgressions.
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
I agree with Adryanalyne... I also agree with IvoryCruncher...

Seriously, I don't really care. I'm little bit upset that I can't flash anything without having serious issues right now... That's what I'm frustrated about.

John, nothing personal. It's not that I don't like you, I've lost faith in Samsung's updating system. This is a flagship phone that is not getting the flagship updates that were promised. I'm having a little bit disillusioned with the promises that Samsung puts out.

How are you going to sell a device that requires 2.2, but not push out 2.2 ASAP? That's like me telling you I'm going to sell you a contract today for my time machine that's going to be out in 80 years...
[Fascinate General] micdawg12:
VERY awesome post ivorycruncher!!! You may blow off a little steam *****ing at John, but in the long run, we really need to make this relationship between manufacturer and third party developers work to our advantage and make it as strong as possible.

At the same time...... John needs to be way more active in the community than just pop in and out every week or so.
[Fascinate General] Johnston212:
I find it interesting that this was focused solely on the Fascinate topic, not including the other 3 Galaxy S' that are missing 2.2.

However, I do have a question. What is the purpose of Media Hub? I saw the media comments on it, saw the press conference and everything and 6+ months later it still does NOTHING. Why? Additionally, given the growing rate of Galaxy S owners who plan on 'curing' their phones, will you make it possible to re-install Media Hub should it not be transferable?
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
Yeah... with [dream] 4.5" Super AMOLED Plus displays featuring 1024X600 resolution, 2.4 Gingerbread (upgrade to Honeycomb by March 15), 1GB RAM, and LTE connectivity [/dream]

Another Fascinating post by my XDA app...
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
Wow... look at that... we can quote someone partially without having to waste screen space with multiple copies of the same entire quote!

Anyhoo, devs like kaos, jt, SOS3, and adrynalyne usually get at least 3 business days before people start panicking, speculating, calling the FBI's Missing Person hotline, and posting "why haven't we heard from you?" Why can't we show a little more patience, not just with SamsungJohn, but also with our own devs (come on, 3 days before you sound the alarm? really?)

Another Fascinating post by my XDA app...
[Fascinate General] Crashspeeder:
You can never be too careful. We need to make sure Samsung didn't kidnap them or something.
[Fascinate General] BartJJ:
HRM...... i think you meant "I told you guys I'm not going to let you guys down, AGAIN."

Lack of froyo, lack of using logic and giving us RFS instead of ext3 or ext4, lack of giving us GB instead of froyo at this point (yes, that is out now if you didn't know), lack of using your brains and giving us the choice of using your POS skin or a vanilla aosp one, lack of open sourcing your RIL even though its not reusable, lack of publishing working source code, lack of bypassing verizon and giving us updates like you always should. One thing you do not lack of is not being one of the few companies i will never purchase another product from or recommend the product.

Good day and good luck on screwing up your next phones with great hardware with your POS coders/software (even though google already gives out a great experience? FAIL).
[Fascinate General] tonu42:
In another thread it said no software/hardware questions. Then why the eff bother to come to XDA where that's all we're going to ask?

Go ask stupid users for stupid feedback, if you want to sit down with the big boys, ask XDA members. Don't give us this garbage that you aren't gonna let us down. You already have with not giving us leaks or such, users of the phone should get "beta" releases to help speed up development. But no, you don't give us even that.

John, I see what your intentions were, honestly I do. But I don't think your gonna find your feed back here.
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
I disagree. I've been reading through a lot of these threads started by SamsungJohn, and in between all the useless flaming and stupid questions, there are actually several good questions and comments being offered. Unfortunately, those who expect instant gratification and complain about the lack of it are making it difficult to find.
[Fascinate General] Holliday:
They have a golden opportunity here and corporate bureaucracy is going to piss all over it and let it fly right by them.
[Fascinate General] mAlfunkti0n:
How about samsung not waste money with pr garbage and just release timley updates. Then they would have a loyal following instead of having to backtrack and dazzle us with uninformative forum posts! What a concept!
[Fascinate General] tonu42:
Dude, you hit the nail, this entire thread is garbage. We are not going to get anything useful out of this guy. He'll probably end up suing XDA for leaking updates or something of that sneaky sort.
[Fascinate General] gotsflat4love:
John at Sumsung:

I will NEVER buy another Samsuck phone again. Ever! I would take my ol G1 over this phone. Say what you want, but thankfully for our few developers they make the phone ok.

You shouldn't have posted anything to waste our time.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Hi, I want to open a dialog with you guys so that we can defuse the situation between Samsung and the community. Please do not ask any questions.

That sums up SamsungJohn's attempt.

I know that folks here are waiting for something good, but the reality is, this is just damage control on Samsung's part, and they failed at it.
[Fascinate General] wardcst:
At Least Samsung is Trying That is Way Better Than We Got From Verizon
[Fascinate General] tonu42:
I feel honored to be quoted by someone who actually knows what the eff their doing with this phone.

Samsung john doesn't use the fascinate in his everyday life, we do. We know how its sucks, it lacks true support.

Samsungjohn if you want our God damn feed back, WE WANT LEGIT GINGERBREAD WITH LEGIT EXT4. If you can't provide that in a nice ota or downloadable update at least give a freaking eta when it will be done. *substituted gingerbread for froyo because froyo is oldddd"

Honestly take your computer and throw it against the wall, people like you shouldn't have the right to develop.

This is my "technical" feedback, peace.
[Fascinate General] orion421:
After reading through this thread as well as the two posted in general I honestly think in addition to the " thanks" button there should be a "Useless-post" button.

Samsungjohn...Thanks for showing up. I hope you are here to start a constructive dialog between the awesome dev's we have and your company.If this is something that Samsung has committed to , great, the company will gain back mine as well as a lot of other people's respect. If not well, first the dev community will stop supporting samsung, then by word of mouth their friends, and so and and so forth.
[Fascinate General] tonu42:
In all honesty he hasn't even answered many of our questions that are "technical," so I have no clue as to why he is here, all he does it start wars, he can't make amends for our phones sucking for so long untill recently when we just got froyo leaks. Their is ABSOLUTELY no way to get our phones to ever compete now with other phones due to the facet that no one wants to buy a stock 2.1 device anymore, if I did buy a 2.1 device it'd be a crappy 50 dollar tablet, which is essentially the value of our phones.
[Fascinate General] FDro:
Samsung is using this thread as inspiration for their new game, Angry Nerds.
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
ROTFL!

Posted from my EB01 SuperClean Fascinate with Voodoo
[Fascinate General] orion421:
I am an optimist I suppose. I truly hope he is here for more than just a "Hey guys I care you can love Samsung again" pr stunt.

On the other hand as it stands this is the only Samsung device I own and if they don't get with the Android way of doing things it will be the last.

Everyone praises HTC for their timely updates. Everyone forgets that when HTC jumped on the Android boat their update process was just as ****y. I hope that Samsung will figure it out just like HTC did. If not oh well...I'll just buy a phone from a company that does get with the program. Until then I will be content with what the great devs we have provide.
[Fascinate General] SmokeyDP:
I've been developing software for 14 years now and I can honestly say that the stock rom on this phone from Verizon is garbage. The hardware is one of the best devices out there, but the bloat just KILLS it. If this is going to be the standard going forward with Verizon phones then Android is going to frusterate a lot of people. Atleast when you buy a cheap Dell you can reinstall windows to get a clean install without bloatware. With this phone you can't even uninstall the bloatware without rooting the phone.

If it wasn't for the rooted roms this phone would have gone out the window a long time ago. It's pretty sad that Samsung's flagship phone has several variants which are still 'officially' on 2.1. The people who buy these phones want the latest and greatest. I had 2.2 on my Droid a year ago.
[Fascinate General] xgunther:
Geiko.com is so easy, that in the 15 minutes it took to close similar go-nowhere threads, you could have saved hundreds on car insurance.
[Fascinate General] piperat:
lol Thats purty good.