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[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Well as far as profanities go, the concept itself is fairly philosophically flawed considering no one can even tell you the reason why it (the word) is even considered "bad"...

I digress, my point still stands. They basically ignore what is still a "new" phone in order to try to get us to upgrade to a phone that has basically the same specs? When phones coming out around the same time will have dual core, and a lot of other benefits.. They seem to be pulling a blackberry/RIM in this regard.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
I've said enough regarding your points and the "same spec" issue, no point for me to say it anymore. It's a discussion thread for the devices, so where does your point stand? F SE? Hmm doesn't have to do with the new devices, sorry. If you believe other devices are better, be my guest, not stopping anyone. It's not as if I'm not hearing anything worse coming from other sides. All brands have their problems, don't trust me? Hit the news ;)

now BACK TO TOPIC

From what I've heard, the pro may come to US shores, but no word on when and with whom. Will keep you guys updated if I hear anything else.
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
I don't know why everybody keeps mentioning the "Dual-Core", it will not show any significant improvements, it's just an extra feature used in marketing to sell it to the public. Dual-core is only needed in Honeycomb, not Gingerbread. Software will play the biggest role in terms of speed. We all know those "other" manufacturers you're talking about just install the stock android with some apps and widgets, Except HTC maybe with their "Sense". So we have to wait and see.

For me that's what pulls me back to SE, their unique interface, and elegant design.

Regarding "F this" and "F that"...... no comment :)
[XPERIA X10 General] arj154:
the only reason i care about a dual core phone is that i can see some features being locked out unless it has a dual core processor when we finally get 3.0 on phones. Although i gotta admit, the xperia play is a very enticing device. Im quite tempted by it but the processor and the support kinda makes me feel a bit uneasy buying an xperia play. It seems to make up for the lack of games on android but at the same time i want it to be supported for most apps in the future specially since i'll have my next phone for about 1-2 years. It would be nice if htc announced a playstation certified device tomorrow but i guess sony wants the spotlight to shine on the xperia play for a while.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Dual core makes a hugeee difference imo. Look at a single core vs. dual core computer, if you try to tell me you can't see very significant performance increase you would have to be lying...
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
just imagine this

for how long will the battery last while playing?

you will have to buy all the games (if you had a psp those won't work)

there's no support for PSN games like on WP7 and XBL

not sure if you noticed it, but games look way too pixelated, a psp wouldn't do that

fw updates won't happen it's SE

in my opinion the best combination is an HTC android phone (or x10 with custom rom) and a psp (or NGP)
[XPERIA X10 General] will.m:
Hey, I have an idea. How about as a company representative, you NOT feed the trolls or maybe address the legitimate gripes of x10 owners here. You've done your fair share of trolling on this forum and give a SE a "presense" on this board, but it's time you learned some humility. xda isn't howardforums, so don't treat it as such. If you want some maturity, you should have some yourself.
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
Mj qat btw when you said that google should slow down on updates i do not agree because they are having competition whit apple! And of course android gonna win :)!
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
2.4 OS is covering the lag of dual-core in single-core devices. In other words, any application made for dual-core device will be compatible with single-core devices running 2.4
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
Sorry, between single core and dual core I cannot see huge difference, there is a difference but it's not that huge. Because computer's speed is based on the RAM size, then processor comes second. However, android is a different story.

You can call me whatever you want, just stating my opinion

It's up to you to respect it or not
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
I agree with you

They do have a competition with Apple, but they make it harder for manufacturers and providers to keep up with their updates
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
I'm not here as a rep as you can see, I do not have a logo on me, I'm here as a consumer on a board too as I bought my phone with the money I worked for. Other than that, I'll take your advice and not feed trolls :p
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
To the guys whining about no dual cores, did anyone see the hands on videos with the SGS 2 (Galaxy S was a 3gs ripoff, and now Galaxy S2 is an iphone 4 ripoff) It is incredibly laggy. Even more than the Arc. Which brings me to a question:

unknown13x, The display on the Arc looks amazing and I heard today that both the Arc and Play are coming to my carrier Rogers :D

I was wondering though if it is really as laggy as it appears to be in all the videos I've seen. Play had no lag as far as I could tell. I know they are both running preproduction software or whatever, but have you tried either device? I really like where UX is going, and apart from the lag I don't see why anyone would hate it
[XPERIA X10 General] batman_112:
So when will those come to the USA? Arc? Neo? Play? And are there any carriers announced? Other than Verizon for the Play (not sure if that is accurate though?).
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
So basically, either you agree with unknown13x, or you're a troll... That is a very mature way to go about a discussion.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I mean honestly, go ahead and hate the devices. Is anyone stopping you? I don't agree with the calling people 'troll' part, but if you don't want to have a logical discussion then you shouldn't be here at all, should you?
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
If you read my posts at all, nothing I said was illogical whatsoever. All I stated is that as google is pushing out os upgrades like wildfire, you want a device/manufacturer that is willing to stay, at least to some degree, current. I don't feel like SE can be trusted to do so..

As these phones are good, but hardly that much better than my x10 (which I love btw), I would rather save my hard earned money for a phone that truly wows me.
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
from what i heard they will release play on march the others seem to be release for Q4 o.0 hope i'm wrong
[XPERIA X10 General] se_dude:
All the phones to be released in March.

@unknown13x We know for a fact that SE have a dual core phone under its sleeves. Why did they bother with the Arc if the Neo is going to make all the sales? And when is the dual core phone to be announced? Also, is there any imaging monster coming up sometime this year?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I don't care about no dual core, I don't care about no super amoled (over rated, been there done that, then came back to X10) I don't care about bad reviews by SE haters, nor do I care what other peoples opinions are about SE new lineup....the fact of the matter is I love my X10 and once the Arc is available here in Canada, I will be onboard with that phone to....can't f-ing wait for it!
[XPERIA X10 General] javagreen:
I'm f'kn jealous of you, you know that? :p

The Arc is a handsome device, not a shred of doubt about that. The hardware is pretty capable too, IRRESISTIBLE.. overall.. I know I've been having wet dreams about it :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Don't be jealous.....ill show you plenty of screen shots :) and keep those wet dreams under control lol.
[XPERIA X10 General] go3asy:
I wish everyone would stop moaning about Sony Ericsson. At the end of the day we all have x10's right? and to be honest I bet your very happy with your phone? Sure you could have got the HTC desire for instance, but then im sure you would find that had problems too and moan about that aswell. Updates were a bit of a problem but to be fair Sony Ericsson had never worked with Android before, HTC has for years now and still has little issues with handsets etc every manufacturer does as these phones are all rushed tot he market to keep up with the technology. Sony Ericsson probably wont ever have the BEST hardware of the time but they are known for the design of their handsets anyway not for the performance. End of the day i'm happy with my x10, granted its the 3rd one ive had but like I said all new handsets are the same these days, its always new tech of the time and as everyone knows new tech never works first time round lol.

Not sure about howmany handsets with similair handware though, I do like the Arc compared to the design of the neo, neo looks a little clunky, not a fan of keyboards, i'd say the pro is a business handset. The Xperia play, well thats a totally new thing so we will have to see if it takes off, if company's do stick to making native games for it, then it could be a huge hit for sony ericsson and may actually bring them ahead in Android, specially for people who like gaming on their handsets
[XPERIA X10 General] :
I don't hate SE and I don't hate their new devices (in fact, I was considering breaking my statement of not upgrading to a new phone until 2012 because Im kinda interested on Xperia Play), I just don't like the way SE defenders try to argue giving points that aren't precisely very true or accurate.

And of course, I hate the way some trolls get these discussions in a personal way.

Now, my point: Aside from my interest on Xperia Play (in wich Im interested in a 40%), none of these new phones is the eighth marvel of the world, I really don't understand all this excitement. Alright, they aren't bad, but for the price they're gonna be in the market, I think we can get a similar and cheaper phone from another brand. Yes, SE phones have a good looking and an elegant appearance, but if we base mainly in this argument then it's just vanity that sells, more than other things. Then elegance means more expensiveness but not full quality.

Why we don't talk about the specs. of these upcoming phones, their real posibilites, and what performance we expect from them? For example, running A2.3 is an excellent feature, but how smooth and responsive this system is gonna be on the new Xperias? How much SE layers will slow it down?

And sorry, I share the idea: no dual core and no more RAM = no superiority. So no, I don't consider these new phones are superior than my X10. same processor speed (Adreno question is overrated), no big difference between dualtouch and multitouch, screen size in Arc is just .2" bigger, and we'll get stable Froyo or Gingerbread soon for our X10 thanks to XDA (faster 'cause they won't have all those SE layers). X10 screen is already wonderful so I don't need Bravia display. I have never needed a front camera and I won't for at least 2 more years. I don't see any significant difference in quality between pictures/videos taken with Arc and those taken with x10. Yeah, HDMI is another good score in the upcoming Xperias, but if want to see a video recorded with my X10 in the TV, what I can do is watching it on my computer with a better LCD HD screen than my TV's. And yes, Xperia Play has a unique controller pad design that makes it different than others, that's why this is the only new SE phone in wich Im interested :D

As I said in a past post, I see these new phones as another "flavors" of the Xperia line, but for me they aren't successors or X10 (probably for X8 and X10 minis). If SE releases a phone in end of 2012 or begining of 2013 with real powerful specs. that makes it a real successor of X10, and if it fullfills my requierements, I'll definitely go for it. But for now, if I decide not getting Xperia Play then I'll keep my wallet closed and say "bye SE, see you in two years".
[XPERIA X10 General] andost:
Nice phones all of them although too expensive, the Play is crazy at over €500 - who will buy that?
[XPERIA X10 General] bleached45:
Oh people will buy it, it's the first of its kind and there are a lot of playstation junkies.

I agree though that the play is the only phone with any innovation, and the only one I am interested in. Though I would need like 2 extra batteries with me all the time because playing all the time will kill the battery.

The arc and such look nice, but offer nothing new that the current generation of phones can't already do. They are coming out as part of the next generation with current generation specs. Nothing sets the arc apart except a pretty shell.
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
The problem is not with how people defend or attack SE, it's the misunderstanding of the new products and claim that they offer no difference with their current device.

I cannot understand your point, you claim that Bravia Engine is not that great, look at this comparison and think about what you are saying

Iphone4 vs Arc vs Galaxy S

Now we all know how great Super-Amoled compared to the X10, Arc is even better.

About the speed of the Arc, even though it has the same speed but it uses different processor, if you have seen videos of the interface, you'll know that it is much faster and a lot smoother.

Yet to say that the camera isn't better that the X10? if you're talking about 8mp then yes they are the same, but keep in mind that "8" mp is not the quality of the picture, just the size. Arc having the Exmor R makes a huge difference, especially in dark settings. Even the capture speed is a lot better

Camera improvement

In all Arc is way better whether if it suits your needs or not, your laptop's may be better than your TV's screen, but my TV is way better ( yes, 60" with LED will make the mini-HDMI very useful )

regarding the layers, do you know what will be involved in the Arc?

because reading your post I can see that you haven't done your search about the device probably. So before you attack, get to know your enemy first ;)

by the way I had a look at the Samsung Tab 10.1" with honeycomb, it was a little laggy even with their Tegra 2 processor ( dual-core ), it might get better later who know, but the point is Dual-core is not everything.

Look at Google's flagship device, Nexus S ( 512 ram, 1 GHz single-processor ) anything more than that is just an extra feature used in marketing
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
All of the arc videos you can find show that it is also very laggy.. extremely actually.go have a look on youtube. All were saying is while other companies are taking leaps, sony is taking baby steps.i would rather keep my x10 until I find a phone that really blows it out of the water
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
I agree... a lot of people misunderstand the new products <cough>.

Physically, the Arc's display is inferior to SAMOLED. It's a regular LCD panel. It's not even an S-IPS panel. The whole Bravia engine is a (I think) driver related. It applies noise reduction, increases digital vibrance, changes contrast and brightness on the fly. Maybe it has local backlight adjustments but we don't know until a tear down of the lcd panel is done. I doubt that the Bravia engine in this phone has an increased 100hz lcd panel to blend frames together. It's the best regular LCD you're going to find but nothing more.

As for the camera, then yes, it's an improvement but marginally so. It still is going to have a crappy lens. You can go to gsmarena and directly compare the X10's camera to the Arc's camera. The Arc is slightly sharper but also noisier. I'm sure the new sensor helps with the speed of the camera but the modded camera apk also greatly increases the speed of the camera on the current x10. The ExmorR will be better in darker settings but it's also going to suffer a similar issue as the iPhone4 during the day - notably the yellowing of scenes (on a far less basis than the iphone though).

And yes, the Nexus S is only slightly faster (Hummingbird is maybe 5% faster than Snapdragon2 w/ Adreno 205 - more for games). But it will have been out 3 months before SE's next offerings. A more fair comparison would be to compare the phones that it comes out with when released. And yes, dual core isn't an issue right now (although they get better batter life) but it will play a much larger role when 2.4 arrives.
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
I didn't say that the Arc is laggyless, of course, all devices will face this problems, even with the dual-core, it's how less laggy your device will be compared to others.

anyway, if you are into gaming I think this will interest you

Xperia Play

I personally liked this ad

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[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
I agree with the Bravia Engine as it is for what you stated ( contrast, sharpness and etc )

however, keep in mind that 2.4 is already developed ( will be called Gingerbread too ), and will be released during this April. As Google stated "support for multi-core apps to devices with a single processor". So you can see that single-core will be compatible with all apps as long as the device runs 2.4
[XPERIA X10 General] :
The problem with your point is that you're buying an idea that SE sells. All those features are being mentioned like they're the greatest specs. in a phone, but we still need to prove they're as wonderful as SE tell us. We can watch a lot of videos and hear/read a lot of opinions, but if we don't test the phone by ourselves we can say it's the best.

Im only saying that Arc and the other new Xperias don't have any impressive features to say "wooooow, these new SE phones are te coolest phones in the world!!! HTC, Samsung and Motorola, you already lost the war!!" or "What an innovation of these new Xperias!! buy them NOW and throw your obsolete ugly X10 'cause is old and very inferior to Arc!!" or something like it. You defenders haven't said it in that way, but you have meant that in some posts, and Im not acussing you but that's the impression I've had sometimes.

And once again: No dual core processor, no RAM. You've said that those features aren't everything, but they help, a lot. It just can't be the same thing if you make a single core to work in a lot of tasks than you distribute them in two cores, right? Same case with RAM. No matter how explanations we give to excuse it, Hardware power matters.

Here's a comparison between Arc and another phone that I'd buy right now:

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3619&idPhone2=3708

Very balanced, huh? But let's see the price of each one, Im almost sure Atrix will have a similar price as Arc, but with Gorilla Glass display, double-core processor, 1 GB in RAM and a dock that can actually and literally turn your phone in a laptop, Atrix worth it.

But no, as I mentioned before, no need a new phone for now if I already have my X10... Maybe Xperia play, maybe Atrix, but Im not sure. Im declining for waiting for a new phone in two years and I repeat, if SE delivers it, I'll go for it. So, don't see me as a SE's hater 'cause Im not. In fact, I've been very loyal to this company: SE w300i for one year and half, SE s500i for two years and now X10 for 2 years (I hope) :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] oXunknownXo:
I have to disagree with you here :p, i've been watching a lot of videos from both Samsung Galaxy SII and Xperia ARC and the galaxy SII is way faster and smoother, you can compare some facts:

when they do the pinch gesture to get all the widgets in one screen on both phones the ARC is like "You want this?oh my god please no...i can't move it", when you see this in the SGSII is like "oh you want this?okay here you have it"

Compare how both load the 3dGallery, in the ARC you press the icon and wait a second, then appears with a bit of lag, in the galaxy SII as soon as you touch the icon it appears, super fast.

moving through desktops/screens is way smother and faster in the galaxy SII than ARC, the ARC lags, don't know if it is a hardware problem(dual core CPU, quad core GPU and 1GB ram and 16GB rom vs single core cpu/gpu, 512MB ram and ¿512 rom? - i hope this is not true.) or a software problem(too many widgets, who knows...), but it lags a bit.

And there are a few things i noticed too:

The screen, from what i see and from what people say, the SAMOLED PLUS is ages better than bravia engine.

Thanks to the huge ROM of the galaxy SII and the Orion chipset, it can record videos at 720@60fps and 1080p@30fps, the ARC will need a super fast microsd or 720p(can't record at 1080p:eek:) videos will lag.

There are only a few things i wanna know/don't like about the SGSII:

The design, horrible iPhonish look, there are like 5 phones with the same look, the ARC is way better.

HDMI? Does it have it?

How good is the camera? it can record at 1080p but we don't know the quality yet, i've seen the camera interface and it has a lot to configure, the bad is that it doesn't have a hardware button.

What about the GPS? the one in the galaxy S was HORRIBLE:D

The thing is...if both phones comes at the same price...the arc is dead in my opinion, and you can say "yeah but 2.3 is not ready for Dual Cores", well from what i've seen, it may not be ready, but it works better with dual core than without it.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
The message I got from yesterday's unveiling was that SE is promoting their new devices as entertainment smartphones, ie multimedia, messaging, camera, social network etc. From that standpoint, dual core is not really necessary (Although it beats me why the Arc is so laggy! Play looks fine, but not Arc. why!!!)
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
I thanked you because you asked me not to!
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Holy... That was really informative... :eek:
[XPERIA X10 General] oXunknownXo:
Hahaha thanks...:p i think that the only hope for the xperia ARC is...being much cheaper than the SGSII and stop lagging like it does right now.
[XPERIA X10 General] bleached45:
That is assuming SE will actually give us 2.4...

Though in one of the videos from CES they had a developer phone running Android 2.4, they claimed it was a developer version of 2.3 that Sony used to test their handsets, maybe it was the real 2.4? I would post the link... but I saw it a while ago... I want to say it was in an engadget CES review video...
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
Seen that video :)

well, I do think that SE will bring us the 2.4 when the device is released, at least of their devices, as unknown said, SE has a surprise for us on April