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[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Gambler_3:
Ofcourse there is no security then but a thief isnt going to start using the phone immediately. The first thing these people do is to dispose off the sim to not get tracked. In order to do that on my phone you need to take out the battery. So I just assumed that through this app the device will always be locked on reboot as on a normal triggered reboot it always locks the device.

Even if the theif starts using the phone as it is there is 0.01% chance that he is aware of this app and all it would take it for him to not touch the phone for the specified period I have set which is just 15 mins and bam he can no longer get into the phone very easily. And I had even set the delayed lock app to protect settings.

The problem here is that if the device was unlocked and then hard reset the app wont even start on the next boot. If it was the case that the app would start again and lock the device after 15 mins even that would have been somewhat acceptable to me.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
hard reset will delete the app, so it cant start :D

but i uploaded a new versions which locks the device on boot, if it wasnt able to lock it on the last shutdown. you should do one "normal" shutdown & boot after installing the new version to get it working
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Gambler_3:
Oh no I meant taking out the battery and then boot. I thought whats what you call a hard reset. :o

And thanks alot will try the new version. :D
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] letsgoflyers81:
The new version works great and locks within about 15 seconds an ungraceful reboot. Thanks!
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Gambler_3:
No update for the trial version?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
i'll update that too soon
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Gambler_3:
Nevermind I just bought the app. :D
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Chefkoch_81:
Hi,

I just bought your app 2 days ago. I am using it on my Alcatel 997D with ICS 4.0.4 stock rom.

It really works great, however, there is one strange thing. My Alcatel has a custom Keyboard installed (TouchPal). I use the Android Keyboard by default. SInce I installed Delayed Lock, my default Keyboard changes approx. every 30 minutes or so to TouchPal.

No idea why that happens. Happened also with the trial before.

Best regards
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
actually, i doubt that has anything to do with the app. if you dont use touchpal, you should deactivate it in the Android app settings
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] emdotdub:
I really like the idea of the app, especially that it can disable my lockscreen when I'm at home.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work properly.

Sometimes it takes quite a while to recognise that I'm home or that I'm not home anymore.

I tried different settings, added more locations (or less) with a wider or smaller range. No luck.

I know that cell-tower-positioning is not very accurate, but llama seems to do a better job (somehow).

So, is it possible for Delayed Lock to support llama (if that's possible) in some way?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] hvihavai:
You don't have any wifi networks at your home, then you could use wifi to unlock at home.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
no, for security reasons only apps which have the de.j4velin.delayedlock.permission.LOCK_UNLOCK permission can lock or unlock the device through the app. Llama does not request this permission.

to save battery, the location plugin only checks for new locations every 10 min and only if the location has changed by at least 100 m
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] Gambler_3:
Finally tried the new version and it really does work even if i take out the battery while phone is unlocked. Thanks alot for acting so quickly on the issue. :thumbup:
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] flydev:
anyone was able to make it work on a galaxy note 2 (N7100)?

(instead of disable lock screen, swipe is enabled)

also, i have installed as a system app

thanks
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
just select "none" in the Android lockscreen settings once your secure lockscreen is disabled by the app
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] kindofabuzz:
This is a built in option in most custom roms.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] cdx47:
The problem I have is that when I reboot I loose admin permission. If I click on the admin option I get an error message. See attachment. The only way to fix this is to move your app from system back to user. The app then completely disappears so I have to reinstall it.

I forgot to mention that I constantly get the Delayed Lock application has closed message appearing afterwards. So it looks like your app FCs.

Thanks
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
this is due to a bug in the Android system (which should have been fixed on 4.2). so you try using a stock ROM or mail me so i can send you the apk file (issue occurs only when installed through Play Store app)
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] cdx47:
PM sent to you.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] khaytsus:
What's your point? This app does more regardless.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] NoSpamDan:
Issue appears fixed :)

Sent from somewhere in Galaxy S2...

---------- Post added at 07:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:50 PM ----------

But I have another issue now- the app sometimes just stops running.

Would a logcat help? I'm not sure what triggers this... I don't use NoLED, although I did on a different ROM and had to uninstall it because I prefer the security of Delayed Lock.

Does BLN conflict as well? Or lock screen calendar events?

Sent from somewhere in Galaxy S2...
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] RickPJ:
Enabling / disabling

Just trying this out, looks pretty good (used to have the basic feature in CM, but now using stock Android on Nexus 4).

I see a couple of logical problems though:

1. I set it to disable lock on both WiFi (home) and power. But if I unplug power while at home, lock is re-enabled, even though I'm still on the WiFi which should disable it. It looks like an event which clears any condition enables lock, rather than checking the overall state. If I switch the screen off then on, and re-enter the PIN, it disables by WiFi again, but that shouldn't be necessary.

2. If you enable lock by tapping the icon, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to disable it again, other than switching the display off and on. It's easy to tap the icon by mistake, and it would be nice to be able to reverse that quickly. BTW I've also installed Notification Toggle (which is how I found out about Delayed Lock), but the Lock icon in that still says that it needs Delayed Lock installed - is this because I've got the trial version?

Thanks

Rick
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
i'm not aware of any incompatibility issues with these yet. what do you mean with it stops running exactly?

well, there are two options if one plugin wants to lock and another wants to keep it unlocked: 1) lock or 2) dont lock. i chose the first one.

i'll check with NotificationToggle, normally it should change the icon there.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] NoSpamDan:
The lock icon notification will just disappear, and the lock stops running, some time when the screen is off usually.

I just started running CM10.1 now and it seems to be working fine so far.

So NoLED does not conflict with Delayed Lock?

Sent from somewhere in Galaxy S2...
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
well, the icon disappears if the lock is reenabled?

NoLED does, but i'm not sure about BLN or some lockscreen calendar stuff
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] NoSpamDan:
Thanks for the response. No, when it happens, it disappears. If it is reenabled, it works, but the issue is when it gets disabled somehow when the phone is not in use and you don't know it happened. Note that I don't use any task killer or memory clearing apps.

Could you please explain in technical terms what it is about NoLED or your app that causes the incompatibility? Is there any sort of work-around? On JB4.2?

My Skyrocket has no notification LED, so your app and apps like BLN and NoLED are must-haves for me really.

Sent from somewhere in Galaxy S2...
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] RickPJ:
Hmmm, well I think I disagree there! E.g. I've set up Power unlock, WiFi unlock, and BT unlock. If any of those conditions are true then the phone is unlocked. So if multiple conditions are true it's still unlocked (classic logical OR). If one condition goes false but at least one other is still true, the required state must still be unlock. It's the overall state rather than an individual event that should determine the outcome.

Even if you prefer your way, could you at least give us a settings option so we can choose?

Thanks
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
you can't disagree on a that :D there are only those two options and i chose the more secure one

i'll think about it but i'm not sure if that's possible with the way i implemented it
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] RickPJ:
Sorry to bang on about this, but here's an example of why the current behaviour is illogical and troublesome. I don't want the phone to lock when at home or in the car, so I use the WiFi and BT extensions to disable lock when on my home network, or attached to my car's BT. I'm in the house, so the phone is unlocked because of WiFi. I walk out the door and get in the car, and the BT connects. However, I'm still in range of the WiFi so that hasn't disconnected. I drive down the road and lose WiFi signal - which re-enables lock. But it's supposed to be disabled because I'm in the car connected to BT! Note that if conditions were such that I lost WiFi as soon as I was outside the door, before getting in the car, then that wouldn't happen - it would lock on loss of WiFi but then unlock on connection to BT.

If you then add in wanting lock disabled when on power (which I also have), there are too many events where lock gets enabled when you don't want that to happen.

This problem is solved, I didn't read the popup notice carefully enough. It said that Delayed Lock had to be installed first, but I'd installed it after Notification Toggle. I un-installed and re-installed NT and it now controls the lock correctly - thanks.

Rick
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mythos_:
I don't know if this has been answered before but I couldn't find it with a quick search. I've upgraded from GB to ICS and now a have a small problem with DL. When I use the lock now widget like before it does lock the device (I use a pattern) and turns off the screen, but 2 seconds later it turns it back on. The screen off widget turns the screen off permanently but of course doens't lock it. I'm using the admin method and have moved the app to the system folder.

I also sometimes got a slide ot unlock screen on top of the pattern lockscreen. That was probably because ICS already has the functionality to delay the lockscreen so it locked the screen before DL did and used the slide because DL had disabled the pattern. I believe I've fixed this by setting the lock timeout in the OS to 10min when it's 5min in DL. So when the OS tries to lock the phone it will see it's already locked.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
generally i'd recommend to not use the ICS build-in delay at all (set to lock immediatelly). have you enabled anything in the "device specific fixes" options?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mythos_:
Well it worked fine with the 10min delay, but I've set it to immediately and it seems to work in exactly the same way so far.

I've enabled avoid locking delay, but it turns on the screen after lock even with this disabled.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] inearlygaveup:
Delayed Lock & ICS

Hi you suggested to mythos_ that "generally i'd recommend to not use the ICS build-in delay at all (set to lock immediatelly)"

I recently upgraded to ICS and now DL dosen't work even if I set the built in delay to lock immediately or even disable it altogether.

So if I disable DL - I take it that none of the plugins will work (Wifi, Location and remote lock)

Hope you can help as everything worked fine with my old phone.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
you need to give me some more information then "does not work". start with which type of lockscreen you use for example :D
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] inearlygaveup:
Hi thanks for the quick response.

Phone is Huawei Ascend G300 Android 4.0.3

Lock Screen is stock item? Set to pin
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
so you have setup the PIN code in delayedlock by using the "deactivate PIN" method? have you enabled the notification to show when delayedlock actually disabled the lockscreen? if so: is the notification shown after unlocking?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] inearlygaveup:
yes, yes & yes
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
and it still shows the PIN lockscreen though you see the notification? do you use NoLED or something like that?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] inearlygaveup:
﻿Sorry for the delay getting back – Can I just explain a little as I think we are going in different directions.

I have Delayed Lock installed with Wifi, Location and remote lock plug-ins.

I also have Juice Defender installed set to manage my battery, it also monitors my settings including my Wifi connection.

I was looking for DL to keep my phone unlocked while at home and lock when away from home or disconnected from my Wifi.

After playing with some settings I suspect one or both of the following is triggering DL.

1 - My phone screen is set to turn off after 2 mins of inactivity or

2 – Juice Defender is shutting off my Wifi when not in use – triggering DL.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
i dont know what you mean with "trigger" but of course DL will lock the device if your wifi is turned off and you're using the wifi plugin (that the point of the plugin).
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] inearlygaveup:
By trigger I meant that it could ﻿invoke or make Delayed Lock, lock the screen.

So I think that my juice defender is turning my wifi off which is making DL lock the screen.

So I will tell juice defender to keep my wifi connection live.

And hope this sorts the problem out, if not I will get back to you

Thanks again
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mythos_:
On my GSII with stock JB delayedlock turns on the screen for half a second to lock the device. I've already checked the admin checkbox and I don't have wake to lock enabled.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
have you enabled the "avoid locking delay" option?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mythos_:
Yes
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
disable it
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mythos_:
No change. It still turns on the screen. It doesn't stay on and turns off immediately but I'd still like to fix that.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] NicoDJ:
Simple Lockscreen doesn't work

Hello,

I've been enjoying Delayed lock for 2 years now, great app! Recently I bought myself a new phone (Motorola Droid 4 with ICS 4.0.4).

I can't get Delayed lock to work properly now. I can't find any 'Simple lockscreen' setting, I get an Android notification that tells me 'No lock selected. Delayed Lock won't work!', and when press the 'Simple lockscreen' widget I get the message 'Unfortunately, Delayed Lock has stopped'

The 'Lock now' widget does seem to work.

I moved Delayed Lock to /system/app, granted administrator permissions. What am I doing wrong?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
"no lock selected" means that you haven't either selected "deactivate PIN" nor "deactivate pattern". you need to chose one option. there is no simple lockscreen needed on Android 4.0+ any more, so that has been disabled on this versions
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] maxievo:
Nice app!!!!
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] NicoDJ:
Thanks, selecting 'Deactivate PIN/password' got rid of the 'no lock selected' notification.

But I still can't back to the situation I used to have:

1) Screen off after 1 minute

2) Simple lock after 5 minutes

3) PIN lock after 1 hour

And 2 widgets:

a) Simple lock now

b) Pin lock now

Or am I missing something and is this still possible?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
well, as said before: simplelockscreen is no necessary on your Android version any more, as you can have the Android slider lockscreen instead (however this one kicks in immediatelly then, no 5 min delay)
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] mythos_:
Finally I solved this problem by simply disabling delayed lock and using the built in functionality of ICS to lock the screen after 5 minutes. Now I only use delayed lock's lock now widget to immediately lock the device. Otherwise if I leave it alone it locks after 5 minutes without turning on the screen on making a locking sound.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] NicoDJ:
And your last comment is exactly what I'm missing. I make a lot of notes for work on my Droid 4, and like my screen to turn of quite fast (to save power), but only 'simple lock' after a longer time of non-usage. That way I'm normally back in my notes by just pressing power, without having to unlock.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] fclifton:
I have DL setup to lock 10 minutes after screen off. I have Admin permission checked and Deactivate PIN/password checked. In phone Settings | Security | Screen lock is set to PIN and Automatically lock is set to 10 minutes after sleep. When the screen is off, but lock is still disabled (10 minutes have not expired) and I receive a phone call, I get the normal slide to answer screen. If I don't touch the screen, after the incoming call has ended, the screen goes to my home screen, not back to being off. So, if I get a call with my phone in my pocket, the phone is unlocked, screen on and active after unanswered call. I would prefer that if the screen was off when a call came in, and I don't answer it, that the screen goes back off. Is it possible to achieve this behavior?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
well, you can disable the "slide" lock and only have the secure lockscreen after 5 min or so. but delaying both is not possible, sorry

no, not with Delayed Lock. there might exist other apps to do this
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] NicoDJ:
OK, thanks for your reply.

I'll try and find another solution
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] eahova:
delay lock

I feel Rick's pain as well. I like each one of the different unlockers for different reasons. I wish they could all work together as I go from home, car, work, car, home. Instead, it seems they fight to add lock screens, even when I'm perfectly active on the device (the opposite of what i want). If I say, "don't lock on my home wifi", i don't want it to lock every time I unplug it or leave my car's bluetooth.

Here is my preferred logic:

1) when an "unlocker" gets disabled, check all other enabled "unlockers" (including the delay) and see if any of them can take over, if not, then lock

If that isn't possible or is too major, then this logic would be better than current state:

2) when an "unlocker" gets disabled, do nothing and wait for the delay lock to kick in

If you could provide an option for this it would be great. Thanks!
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
sorry, but I still think the current implementation is the best compromise between security and convenience. In your scenario, the "remote lock" feature wouldn't lock the device if the thief is in a safe zone of the location plugin, for example. I don't think that's the behaviour most people would expect.

you can already define a delay in the plugin configuration to lock xx seconds after disconnecting from the wifi network/bt device
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] eahova:
delayed lock

Good point on "remote lock", however I think that one is different. Remote lock is a "locker" and should certainly force a lock -- the others are "unlockers". Power, Wifi, Bluetooth and Delay are all forms of "temporary exemption" from the locking process. If you have activated 4 forms of "exemption" (actively using device, on home wifi, on power and using blue tooth) and you pull the power plug to go down to 3 forms of "exemption" (actively using device, on home wifi and using blue tooth) why would i then be required to enter a password? To me this is not what I would expect. I would never expect to see the lock screen when I'm actively using the device.

I'm sorry for being so critical - it is a great app that serves a great base function I just wish I could use the Wifi, power and bluetooth extensions without them causing excess locks. In a perfect day I wouldn't see any locks...i would want protection for when the phone leaves a zone and is inactive for x minutes it will lock. However, with all the extensions enabled now i get a lock every time i 1) leave home, 2) leave car, 3) unplug power cable (which is a lot)

I will try to wifi delay but I don't think that will help...I don't want to have that "exemption" when i leave my wifi zone, i want it to timeout from my normal delay timeout.

Thanks for the quick response.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] cdx47:
Just tried the new update from Play. It basically doesn't work for me just like previous versions. I start it running then it just disappears after a while? I'm back on the JB fix version.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
if you have moved it to /system/app: please do not move it to /system/app. since jellybean, paid apps are encrypted and wont work when moved to /system/app any more
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] andy o:
Hi, been using this app for months now and it's what I missed the most since using CM7 in my old phone.

I'm not sure if this is a bug or if it's intended behavior, but both on my N4 and N7 (CM 10.1 on both), when the pattern lock is activated after the set time, the notification drawer can still be pulled down at the lockscreen. I'm almost sure that before (maybe before the current version, but not sure about that) it did it very occasionally, so I didn't take much notice of it. Now you can always pull down the notification at the pattern lock screen, but only when it's activated by time. When I use the widget, the pattern lock screen works as usual (notification drawer can't be pulled down).

I can see this as being a feature (and if you can control this, may be a nice option to have in settings), but I'm wondering right now if this is not just a bug?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] cdx47:
Ok thanks but now I have the system helper app constantly crashing. It just keeps saying SystemHelper has stopped.
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] j4velin:
it is kind of a bug but i can't change that as the lockscreen behaviour is completly out of my hands. so, see it as a feature :D

can you grab a logcat log?
[Paid Software Announcement and Discussion] andy o:
Is there anything fundamentally different between the way DL handles locking when time passes, and when I lock via the widget or the notification? Because when I lock with the widget or the expandable notification, everything is fine, the notification drawer cannot be pulled down. This bug only happens with the time delay lock. Also, it happened much less often with the previous version of delayed lock,but I update the ROM very often so I can't isolate DL.

Another thing... with the new version the permanent expandable notification is always at the top, whereas in the previous version it was always on the bottom which was less intrusive. Now it interferes with other notifications which should get expanded automatically but don't cause they get pushed down by DL.