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[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
Sprint doesn't like to play it safe. They konw that their phones pretty much suck and are really no different than the phones on other carriers so they always gamble. The gambled on the Instict and they gambled on the Evo and the Evo worked. It brought in a ton of people...now they gamble on this. And after seeing that phone, i'm looking at Verizon and T-mobile and whatnot. I'm jumping ship or something. This phone is garbage! Has anyone seen it's specs?

2nd gen Snapdragon processor that's one core...and a battery that is like 1370mah or somethin like that. What the helll?! How is one core supposed to handle two processes at the same time? If you open up two browsers that's it for performance and battery life. And we alll know that they wouldnt tinker with the OS to make it run better on that phone...so in reality its just two Screens on one phone. Its telling one phone to handle two different processes at once and thats gonna kill battery. They know that so thats why they are shipping it with a second battery.

And one thing i was reading said that it doesnt really run both screens at the same time on some processes, it hibernates the inactive one. Well damn, that defeats the purpose. Thats the same thing as running one process on our Evo's and then when we feel like using another one, holding the home button and switching to the other. The only difference here is that it gets rid of the 2 seconds it takes to switch over.

Man, eff this Echo phone. Eff sprint. Im about to say Eff android because these dudes would much rather put out all these phones with dual core processors that run the same as single core processors when it comes to simple tasks than actually sit down with any android phone and make sure android runs just as smooth as WP7 or the iPhone. Eff google. eff apple. eff microsoft. eff me, and eff Call of Duty Black Ops.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I think it has the same first gen snap dragon as the EVO, at least that's what Android Central is reporting.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
Geez its only February, im sure well have something good by the summer. My upgrade is already available but im still waiting for an "upgrade" also. Jumping ship over a dud phone is just dumb and arrogant. I doubt a kyocera is going to be the 2011 flagship phone. Now I admit its nothing to make a huge announcement over, ots more of a concept phone. but lets see what's going on for the rest of the year.
[EVO 4G General] tomh1979:
WOW, if sprint took away most of our 1 year upgrade cause they thought we'd jump ship for this piece of sh$t, then they are horribly wrong!
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
That's what wikipedia said too..and thats waht the specs said as well. They both said that it was the first gen snap dragon but this other dude told me it was second gen. If its really the first gen...idk what to say

They did that?
[EVO 4G General] DarkManX4lf:
At least sprint is trying to make things right.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110208-711636.html
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
You do realize no one is making you purchase this phone, right?
[EVO 4G General] tomh1979:
the whole premier thing that's going down, remember, sure alot of people still qualify, but that's if you've been a customer for 10 years or pay out the arse on your monthly bill now.
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
And you do realize that this phone just makes Android seem not as appealing as it once was. I mean, this phone tells us where Android is heading. I said it earlier, the only thing that would be able to end Android is Android. If these dudes would much rather keep up bull like this and not actually try to make sure Android runs perfect on devices that are out now....smh, basically, right now is as good as Android is gonna get. I can't see it getting any better than the Evo, Desire, Nexus One and other HTC phones that came out a while ago.
[EVO 4G General] ghodzilla5150:
Yes, they are going to Silver and Gold plans April 1st. There are a couple of ways to become a Gold Member (which allows you to Upgrade once a year and get the $150 Rebate and MIR's)

1, You have to be a 10+ year customer, this automatically qualifies you

2. You have to purchase a HIGHER plan ($89.99 for a single plan) or ($169.99 for a Family Plan) and keep these plans active for 3 straight months.

If Not you drop to Silver which only allows a $75 rebate and THAT's IT, NO MIR's. Enjoy:)
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
Talk about overreaction. Sheesh.

Wtf does this have to do with Android? Kyocera made this phone. Not Google.

And there are already better Android phones that have been revealed to be coming out soon.
[EVO 4G General] p0rkguy:
Why is everybody *****ing about Sprint's decision on a phone? I'm sure at least 95% of you don't suffer a loss from any of it. Do you guys honestly think Sprint went out their way and asked Kyocera to make the phone? Seriously.

Sprint just sees an opportunity to make money if it works. Besides they don't have anything to lose besides piss off tech readers. Sorry but only about 10% of consumers are actually tech readers.

Only thing you can really ***** about carriers are their updates, customer service, pricing, plans, and cellular service. Which Sprint shouldn't have to take 4/5 of those.
[EVO 4G General] ghodzilla5150:
Exactly. Some people can't see the forest thru the trees. Android now needs to make sure it runs like butter on their flagship devices WITHOUT ROM's. The iPhone runs like butter right out of the box with no tinkering whatsoever. This is what Android/Google needs to concentrate their efforts on now. Not coming out with ****ty phones. They have some Monster phones out there right now with a few (Atrix, Thunderbolt, Bionic) heading our way soon. Get the OS headed in the right direction instead of monkeying around with this POS Echo. We shouldn't have to root and apply custom ROM's/Kernel's to get our phones to run better and have better battery life (Thanks MS for all your hard work BTW. I run 4.2.2 with no issues)
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
Huh? Google needs to concentrate their efforts now? What does that mean? They don't make any of these phones. They didn't unveil the Echo. Of course they are always fine-tuning the OS.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Honestly, with the super phones coming to the other carriers I dont think most people will even give this phone a second thought. Im trying as hard as I can to get the boss to switch us to Verizon.
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
haha man idc, i said eff me and eff black ops. what do those things have to do with anything? Or did you just read what you wanted to read? Funny thing about that...i was reading a book on psychology the other day..wait. Now im getting off topic.

Either way, I'm entitled to react however I want. Why do people scream at the TV and tell a basketball player to shoot the ball when they 1. Cant control the player and 2. Arent close enough to the player to actually make a difference? People react differently. I for one am the type of person taht gets pissed offf when I lose a game in MW2. Others can play the same game with me and not even be moved. We react differently. Trying to get back on topic...

And Kyocera made the phone but I'm packaging it all together and looking at it as a whole. If all Android phones look good then that obviously makes Android look good. Despite the fact that Google didnt make any of those phones, its OS will look good. Now with these Dual Core and this dual screen phone that really doesnt offer anything mind blowing despite the amount of thought put into them...it just looks sad. Instead of making this OS run just as good as iOS on the android phones out now these companies are just putting out nonsense and if this nonsense doesnt take off, that makes Android look bad to the average person. And if they keep on allowing companies to do that, then might as well say eff them too. And they will keep on allowing companies to do that because people will continue to buy them and complain about the same problems over and over again.

But then again, most of the problems seen with the Evo aren't Android problems anyways...they're HTC problems. But those problems are big enough to keep someone away from buying Android phones because they think that all android phones might have those problems and if its an HTC Android phone..thats a double whammy.
[EVO 4G General] ghodzilla5150:
BUT it's THEIR OS on the phone. When the unlucky few who buy this POS and it goes to Hell, who do you think they will blame, that's right Google/Android. Android will get a bad name because of this POS phone.
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
You talking about the dual core phones? I would like to ask a question...when would two cores actually be necessary? That's rhetorical. For the average person and even hardcore user, you probably wont ever need two cores. These phones aren't computers. We aren't running Autocad or nothing...what's the point? There is no point. Dual Core phones will run just about the same as Single core and I doubt that they'll blow the Galaxy S phones out of the water.
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
I guess. But if you're dumb enough to pick up any random phone from the store without doing your homework than it's on you if you buy a piece of crap with limited functionality. *shrugs*
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
1 better battery life

2 faster loading applications

3 smoothness of the user experience

4 bragging rights.

5 my EVO already replaced my laptop in many ways

6 who's to say one day we can't use AutoCAD on a mobile? At least editing on the go.
[EVO 4G General] SynGT:
Some people in this thread are out of their minds.

You all realize that "Android" is an OS, right? In reality there are no "Android" phones. There are HTC phones, Samsung phones, and Kyocera phones that all run the "Android" software. And there is nothing wrong with the Android software. It works, 100% as intended.

If you buy a Windows 7 computer from Dell, and 2 weeks in it dies on you, who do you call? Windows or Dell? You call Dell. Ultimately, it was their responsibility to build a computer that could properly run the Windows software.

The problem is with the people who make the phones. Kyocera is terrible brand, who has nothing but a history of putting out terrible products. It's the equivalent of buying an Acer laptop. You know you're buying crap, but you're getting it for much cheaper, so when it's not as good as you'd like it to be, your butthole doesn't hurt too much because you were expecting it.

Sprint's decision to add these phones to their line is a GOOD business choice for them. There are MANY people out there who are looking for cheaper phones or for features that the EVO can't provide. As far as we're concerned, you should realize that in this race we are the minority. The EVO is still Sprint's flagship phone, but why shouldn't they be allowed to add other phones with different features, especially when the majority of the world prefers them?
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
This is EXACTLY what happened with WebOS. They slapped this outstanding software onto a piece of **** hardware known as the Palm Pre and it literally didn't give WebOS a fighting chance. People will always associate WebOS to the Pre's crappy build and sluggish performance.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
1. maybe...it really has to be crazy because with stock Epic 4G I get 1 and a half days and thats with it not sleeping most of the time (because its my mp3 player as well). +0

2. the apps load slow now? With dual core phones it wont use both cores to open up an app, thats just dumb, so its back to the one core. -1

3. didnt engadget review a dual core phone and its UI was garbage. unless they actually put effort into the UI it will be garbage and the experience will be garbage as well. If they do make a smooth UI and experience that could've easily been done with any of the phones out now and that would've saved battery life. +0

4. This Echo phone is for bragging rights as well but doesnt make it any good. Whats the point in saying "well, my phone has two cpu's" when it only uses one for damn near all of its tasks? But oh well, bragging is bragging and I cant knock that down. +1

5. Amen to that. haha I only use my laptop for things like this: typing out long stuff. For everything else, I use smartphone. +1

6. That would tank battery life but I do see that as a possibility. +1

You may have won this battle..but i'll get you next time...
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
Really? This scenario is EXACTLY like what happened with WebOS? From what I recall there was only one piece of hardware to choose from, the Palm Pre. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of choices for Android phones when the Echo is released.
[EVO 4G General] kthejoker20:
ghetto people need phones too...

just think, they can make drug dealer's app..

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[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
Well come back to this next year when, with all the high end phones, dual.care is the standard.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
what?? dual screens for snorting.. one for each nostril!
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
Not wide enough.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
And it only took ONE bad apple (no pun intended) to ruin WebOS's reputation. Thanks for making my point much more clearer.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G General] tomh1979:
sure, one for cutting some lines, and the other screen for checking your friends status on facebook, makes sense to me, lol.:D:p
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
Actually it was a pretty awful analogy. When 100% of the phones running your software suck it's one thing. When one of 100s sucks who the f*** cares.
[EVO 4G General] babyschmoof:
Whomever asked how I got my upgrade after a few months, they shipped me two DOA EVOs and reset my upgrade just in case I wanted to switch to something else. Why that matters to you, God only knows.

I'm not looking to jump ship as all US carriers suck and I refuse to have a phone where the Creator tells me what is or is not morally acceptable . My original point was and still is when you spend millions on an event like this and have apple type secrecy for the event, back it up with a good device, especially with their poor showing at CES. Of course they will release more phones throughout the year, but this was supposed to be huge. The whole cellular world was watching and is now laughing. I'm sure there are a lot of unhappy board members when they see the horrible comments on their home page and Facebook page.

For those of you that try to make personal attacks against anyone who has an opinion, you are a schmuck. For those who can't read and post a follow-up that has nothing to do with the original post, you are just an ass clown. Finally, for those of you who spew bogus technical info just to sound smart, and tell everyone else they are dumb, buy a clue. After being around this forum for a while, it seems it's always the same people who misinterpret what is written and then start shooting people down. If it makes you feel more manly, then go for it. Whatever floats your boat.

Just a side note, Verizon did have a preliminary deal with Clearwire, but walked away when they saw the penetration weakness of Wimax. If you didn't know, Sprint is the largest shareholder in Clearwire. So why for the love of Pete launch a toy that doesn't use it. Every new phone they release, no matter the cost should have a Wimax chip. Sprint took a gamble on Wimax and had the power of Verizon behind them to pressure AT&T, but didn't have all the T's crossed. Lesson learned; and an expensive one at that.

It comes down to dollars, and Sprint does not have a lot. They need to keep hitting home runs with quality vendors.

That's it for me. Let's hear from the brain trust who of course will tell me I am wrong with everything I said.
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
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[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
No 4G but it still will have the newly implemented $10 fee to it because it's a smartphone. ****, I wouldn't be surprised if the Echo has a $20 fee because it has two screens.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
you are wrong.. totally..

feel better? :D

yeah.. they really made a lot of noise to drop this nothing.

but.. it would totally be funny if .. next week they quietly drop a real winner! and then david baine reappears.
[EVO 4G General] m4xwellmurd3r:
On the argument that a crappy phone makes Android look bad. Most normal consumers won't even care or even know that the phone is running Android for the most part. What they will notice is the manufacture that made the phone.

Sent from my evo 4g
[EVO 4G General] jhoffy22:
And eff the Ascension leaderboards getting reset!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
[EVO 4G General] Estimated Prophet:
I'm sorry, I just have to say something: You people are idiots. Quit crying. And the comment about a single core processor not being able to run more than one process at a time was just hilarious. You people need to learn what the hell you're talking about before you get all huffy.
[EVO 4G General] xfullmetal17:
Rage will always be rage. So nobody likes the phone. That's that many less people on the cell towers with it sucking up bandwidth. If a 4G iPhone ever comes to Sprint they'd better have the towers to support it, otherwise it'll turn into AT&T's network. (Verizon had better watch out or they'll go the same way themselves)

edit: and a crappy phone doesn't necessarily make Android look bad... Most of the people that care about the OS also will look at specs, I definitely looked before getting my Evo...
[EVO 4G General] babyschmoof:
Best comment of the thread! Does the $20 fee come with a cool pair of cheap 3d glasses
[EVO 4G General] babyschmoof:
Nothing cleanses the soul like a little soap box *****ing.

I wonder if it was the guy who got fired from apple over the antenna who designed this thing of beauty?
[EVO 4G General] babyschmoof:
I can't see how sprint could support the iPhone traffic. I'm always roaming.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
sprint's a joke. what a waste of a BIG announcement.
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
That was me but that wasnt necessarily what I meant. Obviously a single core can run multiple processes and obviously the best proof of that is going on a comp and opening up task manager. but what i meant by that is that one core having to run two browsers...thats not gonna be good because with our processor now it uses all of its power as it is for just one browser. now add two into the equation. or did you not think of that? did you just go in here and pinpoint one specific aspect and try to bash that? thats exactly what you did. if you want to break down a message lets break down this one.

how does your message contribute to this thread? you're not talking about sprint and its new phone...you're just talking about how dumb people are. does that help? is that beneficial? did you accomplish anything? you gave your two cents on a topic that wasnt even brought up. hell, you're not even talking about a phone. basically, that comment was unnecessary and sticks out like a sore thumb here when read in order from 1st post to the last because it doesnt contribute anything whatsoever to this phone/sprint/Evo/android or anything like that. you're more than welcome to create a new thread talking about how people are idiots, but in the meantime..well it doesnt now does it? you'll probably read all of this and still go off topic. maybe say something negative towards me or something. Well, I'm an idiot. I beat you to the punch, no reply is necessary towards this one.
[EVO 4G General] :
I'm assuming you are talking about the Kyocera when you mentioned the single processor and the dual screens. In case you did not know, the Kycoera does not utilize both of the browsers at the same time. One is frozen while the other is being used and vice versa. In other words, if you were using the browser on the top screen and had the other opened at the bottom screen, the bottom screen would remain inactive until you start using it. It also functions that way with apps that are coded for dual screens.

Also if his or her comment was not beneficial, then why the hell are you replying to it? You also did not accomplish anything by replying to him or her so you are contradicting yourself.

Also I'm not trying to argue with anyone so yea.

EDIT: Also you if you think a dual processor phone is pointless, then you must not really understand how CPUs work. Two CPUs are better than one, and that is a fact. Why do we have dual/quad/or hexacore processors for computers? Because when you have more than one processor, they are able to run efficiently because one run processor can run applications while the other is handling background tasks, which can be called AMP or also known as asymmetrical multiprocessing. You also have SMP which is Symmetrical MultiProcessing, and that is when both of the processors are being used evenly to run applications or tasks. Now I'm not going to educate you how a processor works so if you don't believe me, then Google it. And yes it does come down to the operating system, but the fact is two processors are better than one.

Have a nice day

EDIT#2: In case anyone did not know, a GPU can be bottlenecked by the processor if the GPU is actually good. So I hope when CTIA happens, Sprint will get dual-core phones with sick GPU's!
[EVO 4G General] babyschmoof:
I want my quad core 4 screen phone. Perhaps Zenith will make it with an 8086 chip set.
[EVO 4G General] CTTKDKing:
I agree, but I believe Sprint has a history of this. I got a Palm Pre about a month after it's initial release, and same thing. No love for the Palm community after about 6 months. In fact until I heard that Palm has a a big event today to announce new stuff, I figured that this was it for Palm. I upgraded to an Evo this past November, and have nothing but love for it. The newest HTC phone is quite a let down by comparison. That being said, I hope Sprint picks up something to compete with the Bionic and Atrix on AT&T and Verizon. They need a solid Terga based phone or they are going to get stomped in the Smart phone race.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
I don't even know what to say. Let's put the elephant in the room, which is 700MHz vs. 2.5GHz, and why that's the reason Sprint's WiMax building penetration is bad. So yes, this is in the corner as Network Vision will solve this.

Rundown: Sprint originally wanted to use TD-SCDMA (China Mobile uses it) , but eventually went to WiMax. They evaluated UMB (next step for CDMA) technology a little, but it weren't serious. LTE wasn't an option, because Right now, Clear/Sprint are testing both TD-LTE and FD-LTE, but with a different frequency other than 2.5GHz.

Vodafone and Verizon choosing WiMax and backing out is like saying Sprint was the reason EV-DV didn't come out. It was always LTE or bust. With LTE, they have complete control on how the data is used, unlike WiMax. Yes Sprint wanted Verizon to choose WiMax, but it's the same way they wanted them to choose EVDV instead of Do. That's the reason why from the beginning, they let it be known that switching to LTE is not a problem for them, and continue to state it over and over again.

Once upon a time, I was a RF Design and Optimization Engineer for both WiMax and LTE, before crossing over to Qualcomm (way less stressful by miles) Your side note was the first time I ever heard of that, so if you show me where this was stated at, I'll be a very happy man. I'll even send you a little donation towards your way too.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
i sure hope sprint will stay with wimax...

because LTE is way biased for carriers to control and charge more for all sorts of carzy things.!
[EVO 4G General] OneStepAhead:
I love the dual screen concept, but kyocera? 2.2? htc is making an announcement in less then a week, not sure for what carrier.
[EVO 4G General] Estimated Prophet:
Less QQ, kthxbye