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[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
SDHC Card

Just fix the damn issues with the MicroSDHC cards in the Samsung Focus. Both Samsung and AT&T sold the cards from their websites and stores as accessories and the darn things are unstable or fail completely. Some work, some don't, even cards that appear to be identical from the same manufacturer. Come on, this is a failure and not a feature or an issue. Fix it already. Hotfix or in the first update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
I have nothing about C&P but it's not an incredible update that needs a thousand threads like it's going to revolutionise WP7. Like I said

in the big scheme of things

it's pretty minor when you consider what WP7 is still lacking overall. C&P alone isn't going to make it the new must have OS is it?

What I'm saying is it will be nice to have and we know it's definitely coming but there's no need to focus so much on that one update when the one that really matters is (the rumoured never confirmed) Mango. The question really is when will Mango get a release and that's much more important than C&P.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Anthonok:
This. Minus the the June part.

and to state my opinion on a march release.... F*ck this Ship.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well I suppose you've made it up a little.

Basically we need updates which improve things, this is the message. Delay to March is late and if it can be April that's bad. This is what this thread is about.

And I also say - yes c&p will make WP7 a usable OS on a basic level.

Of course there are many other things very important for us. And I wonder if at this rate we will see it soon or rather Dec 2011 what will be really..... Bad.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
it's something as stupid as me not being able to copy a damn phone number to text to someone else so I have to write it down, C & P isn't earth shattering but it freaking helps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Skex:
I'll come when it comes. Though I'm a bit disappointed that MS seems to be so half hearted in it's support of the platform. The fact remains that in it's current form the phone is perfectly usable.

Honestly while C&P will be nice I can count on one hand the number of times I've missed it since I got my phone and have fingers left over.

At the moment the only two things I need to make this the perfect device for my purposes is 3rd party multi-tasking and a Grooveshark app.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Omega Ra:
I don't really care about any of that...I want he CDMA compatibility and a phone on Verizon already...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Its not just about C&P, its the fact that it takes this long to deliver such a simple feature. Imagine the wait to get other features the platform is lacking.

NoDo isn't worth ****

Mango isn't worth ****

(at least to me)

Now imagine the wait to see something worthwhile from Microsoft.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
See, this is the type of post I think you should be making, instead of the others ;). I agree with you, though rather than copy and paste I'd rather see the insertion of contact cards/information altogether so that we can paste email addresses, home addresses, and variety of other information. I don't see the need to go back and forth for a number, I would really like to see contact card implementation, but I have a feeling that is one of those 'business' features they'll be rolling out when they include more enterprise support.

People, you also need to realize this is update number one. For Microsoft, this is unknown territory. Apple had update experience with the iPod for updating and not losing information that they were able to utilize on the iPhone. Til this day, I updated my girlfriend's Cliq for Android and she lost most her information the same as we would have on WinMo. So Microsoft has really never done a mobile update where the information is retained. I do think the update process will smooth out after the first 2-3 updates, and then we'll start seeing a more fluid approach. I don't have a problem with them taking baby steps at the beginning... I just think the people on this forum need to relax...
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeman:
FFS!! At least they could release a small update to remove the bugs :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Copy and paste is important. I need it rarely but when I do it's painful not to have handy. I ran into problems maybe a couple of times but once I had to drive all the way back to the office because I needed to send a part of a contract in an email.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
This is not really unknown territory, they've had Windows, Windows mobile, Zune and Xbox... but then again this is not the issue for me as I barely care about that update.

According to MJ Foley the update has been ready since the end of 2010 but is being held down by the fact that it must go through different manufacturers and carriers worldwide. If this is the case (that's very plausible) I would expect them to talk about the next update at MWC to let people know that they're actually doing something. We'll see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
And none of those devices ran the same OS as the phone, and updated the same way... And I stated that exact same manufacturer/carrier argument in another thread, but unfortunately, the clowns that visit these forums can't accept anything that refutes their trolling...

People here want to be in control of every situation. We saw it back in the days of custom WinMo ROMs, they HAVE to know when the next release is, and if it doesn't come when they want it, how they want it, and addressing their own personal fantasies, then it's a failure. I said this back then when people used to harass folks like NRG about his ROMs, or when he would go more than 2 days without releasing something... These people bought the phone (or some didn't, wanted the OS for free on their HD2 simply because they are God's gift to the world) and want a complete breakdown and blueprint of Microsoft's internal plans... It's getting ridiculous now tbh...
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
^what vengrieg said. I can't count how many times I've needed copy & paste since I got my phone in November. It's extremely irritating having to remember something verbatim to place it in an email or a reply.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpinlacm:
With the kind of track record Samsung has with updating it's mobile devices (Eternity and Impression not getting any updates, U.S. Galaxy S phones still on android 2.1, etc.) I highly doubt there will be any updates to fix the microSD card problem. If there is an update that fixed this I will be extremely surprised and happy that it happened because I also own a Focus. Despite the microSD problem I am enjoying using my Focus now and enjoyed the Eternity before it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] owenw:
Yes, previously we may have jumped the gun without enough evidence. We have enough now. Several sites, including ZDnet, WPCentral have all cited the update to be on this date, through their own sources too. I consider Mary Jo to be very thorough and on to it.

I'm relatively sure this is accurate, and considering our source is a carrier... At least we have a date now :)

Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to come off as brash or anything, my apologies.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Also Enjoy the Focus

I also enjoy my Focus but am living daily waiting for the random resets and data loss to start. I have a 16GB SanDisk installed, still have 17.5GB of storage left and resisting loading more onto it not wanting to push it over the thresh hold. Anyway, waiting for the update, MS must know of the issue. If it isn't included in the pending update, I might unlock the Focus and try "fixes" in another thread, or buy a Samsung card. I really enjoy this phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] leowp7:
I totally agree with the above.... wp7 hasnt even been out for a full year yet and people are already *****ing about it being a failure. I myself enjoy using the wp7 even though i dont have cut and paste or multitasking or whatever... I find the samsung focus I have to be fast and everyday there are new apps that I find usefull and I am actually willing to pay for them. MS is actually still till may 12th before the 10 year anti-trust concent decree expires. Other company havent had to deal with this the last 10 years... Ever wonder why stuff havent been interegrated? I think Microsoft has learned from their mistakes and is just trying to keep under the radar untill after the decree is finished....

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[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Most people are just waiting for bug fix updates now. Most of us have already given up on feature updates. The bug fixes, MS should already have addressed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
This is a failure, maybe not a major one, but a failure nonetheless.

The biggest Selling Points of Windows Phone 7, were, IMO:

1. Hardware Choice with Apple-like Software control

2. Standardized Hardware Specifications, ensuring applications perform decently across all WP7 smartphones

3. Decently fast updates free of much Carrier Hinderences and eliminating the Hardware Manufacturer

#3 is the biggie. iOS is good, but it's limited to 1 phone on 1 (now two) carriers so it wasn't an option for many people. iPhones are also expensive and some people prefer screens bigger than 3.5".

But Microsoft has taken longer to deliver "NoDo" than Motorola and HTC took to deliver FroYo for their flagship Android handsets.

Yes, that's a bit of a failure, and it pretty much takes that off the list of advantages for WP7 for me - especially when you realize the "Mango" update won't come until the Holiday Season, and I doubt any real advances in the functionality of the system will be made between "NoDo" and "Mango."

I guess that is why Apple sticks to "only" one phone...

I was poised to get an HD7 for this little event (just add a line with a $10 data plan and insurance, and swap the SIM cards and ETF the Vibrant when I can get around to it, or sell it off), but Microsoft's already unenthusiastic and laggy update schedule is a showstopper for me coupled with already mediocre launch hardware...

For T-Mobile customers, at least, this could have been an opportunity for Microsoft to grab more customers (phones free in stores on contract Friday/Saturday). Looks like I'll be moving to another Android phone, or a Blackberry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I'll take faster load times, esp. from what I've seen on the videos. Copy and paste I haven't missed but maybe once...

Agreed, not sure how much I've dumped into apps (I'd rather not know), but its nice to have new apps coming out everyday (something that hasn't happened in 2 years on winmo).
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
App Junky here

I am spending far too much money on apps - keep finding something useful every day or so, I must control myself. On top of that I am spending a fortune on music from Zune (even with a Zune Pass) it is far too easy to just download a song that you hear and like, add to that books for the Kindle app - sheesh.............
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
wow.....

i have gone through this thread and almost everyone is B#@$%&#@ about Microsoft not delivering, being late, not supporting the platform, not keeping their word... blah blah blah...

all of us only have those web posting that claimed it will be out in Jan 2011, and then it was feb 7, and feb 14 and now march 8....

almost everyone is arguing about the update on the basis of web postings....

MS never gave dates for the updates, they are big and smart company as they know committing on the dates is shooting their own foot, guess what all of us will be doing if they have given a date say 30th march 2011 and if there was no update???? almost all the US users will SUE MS for not delivering...

come on guys give it a break it will come out when it will come out but arguing among each other is not good, we all are waiting for the UPDATE...

And for those ppl who think WP7 is not important to MS, U are wrong as they will be putting WP7 on NOKIA Phones as well...
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
As I agree generally on not fighting here, I must disagree on the rest.

MS is a huge giant. The richest and largest software company in the world. I expect nothing but miracles from such huge and profitable company.

Let me remain that this intelligent and wise company was able to release Windows Vista which was almost unusable for the first year. Yes after service packs it's fine. But they were able to produce such a flop beeing in the industry for so many years.

And this intelligent and wise company was able to forget its mobile platform and was unable to react for iOS and Android launches and their dominance. This giant released it's own new mobile platform almost too late however they are in the industry for over 10 years (the mobile one).

So don't tell anybody they always know what they do. They actually act sometimes like a beginning company.

No, they don't always know what they do. WP7 is a proof they still don't understand some things. We can't be sure of anything in this regard. Sad to say but ATM I trust more Apple or Android devs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] yardie.spike:
NoDo???

I'm starting to get the feeling that NoDo was nothing to do with 'No Donuts'......No Do? Sure it's not 'Not Doing (Updates)'?!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
I would actually be a lil annoyed about this if i hadn't just smashed my hd7 and now waiting on the long ass insurance process. I love WP7 as is though so im not fussed lol just have to decide if i will go back to hd7 or go omnia7 when my ins money comes through lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I'm in a similar situation. Though I haven't smashed my HD7. I'll be looking at new hardware when I go to AT&T and the Focus and Quantum are being considered. I'd actually like to have a landscape hardware keyboard for a change. The Quantum might fill the bill.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
You can't live without cut and paste.... And to you Microsoft is not a company which offers good product such as windows Vista and wp7 is not up to the mark for u... What the hell are u doing with a wp7 device.... Go buy something Apple or Android...

Don't waste your time... Your job is cut and paste on your mobile all day long I guess....
[Windows Phone 7 General] hboos:
Copy and paste is a very basic feature that everyone can live without but is still very useful to have. It should have been present from the beginning or it should have been out by now.

I'd like copy and paste but I'm not gonna fuss too much about it being late because I know that most of the dates put forward have only been rumours.

BUt people are well within their rights to complain about the WELL OVERDUE minor update (minor in terms of the actual number of features it incorporates).

You have to remember that a lot of people upgraded from WM6.5 which had way more features than WP7 currently has. And most people that used WM6.5 were not casual phone users but "power users" who knew what they were doing.

So to come from one of the most capable OSs to an as-yet-crippled OS is quite difficult for a lot of people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Microsoft are going to announce full details of the coming update, and of Mango, including release date for the former, at MWC on Monday.

So gird your loins for the weekend, folks, and see what Ballmer has to say next week. I'm sure he'll answer all your questions.

In the meantime, just enjoy your phones and chill. There are more important things in life than having to wait another 3 weeks for C&P.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Anyone who dumps WM6.5 for WP7 and then complains about a lack of features is being a bit thick, to be honest. It's like trading in a Land Rover for a Ferrari and then moaning the Ferrari doesn't have four wheel drive, decent road clearance and an altimeter.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
I would just like to pose these two questions: 1) who are you people (especially you people) to decide when an update is "overdue?" 2) what gives any of you the right to demand a direct schedule of any update process from any manufacturer, not only Microsoft, and this extends to the chefs as well as many of you harassed them with release dates for ROMs?
[Windows Phone 7 General] hboos:
If you have a look at the poll that was posted here before you will find that most of the people who bought WP7 handsets came from WM6.5

People knew that there were less features but gambled on MS updating WP7 quickly to bring it in line with the rest of the competition. They didn't expect MS to take so long in implementing such basic features.

That was my point.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
I am one of those people - I upgraded from an HD2. I am also NOT one of the people complaining about the updates, or lack thereof. I researched my purchase, and am perfectly at home with all the deficiencies - they are far outweighed by the advantages of a smooth, stable OS, great marketplace and amazing UI. I still boot up my HD2 from time to time, primarily because it still functions as my Satnav, but every time I just look at it and wonder how I survived so long using it as my daily phone. It is such a pile of slow-as-treacle, buggy crashy ****e.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hboos:
1) We are the customers who have paid for our devices. I don't decide when an update is overdue but it is taking way too long to introduce Copy and Paste.

2) No one is demanding a direct schedule of any update process or whatever it is you are tyring to say. BUt once again, as customers, we still expect some level of service.

I don't know what you are trying to argue here... of course ROM chefs cook in their own spare time for no gain..just for the community and for fun (?) so we should respect them.

BUt if you are trying to argue that corporations have absolutely no accountability to their customers and instead that customers should only be grateful and nothing more...then I really don't know what else to say to you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Heh I tell you: BECAUSE WE ARE CUSTOMERS.

It's them for us, not us for them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hboos:
Yup, and I also upgraded from Wm6.5 and I'm not complaining about the lack of updates because frankly I can live without them.

However I am sticking up for the people who I believe have a fair complaint about the updates.

Sure they could do with chilling out and waiting patiently but they don't need others to tell them that they are being stupid or whatever for buying a WP7 handset
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
I think all the existing and new updates threads should be locked until it's actually out so that everyone can go on and have a life :rolleyes:.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Stating bold facts is a simple thing. Just deal with it .

Just try to accept other opinions. I'm not asking you to change your habits. Just acknowledge others.

Anyway I was writing mainly about updates time frame in general.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Both of you are wrong here, you paid for the phone you got, you are not entitled to a single thing thereafter. Now, do I believe we should get updates, yes... Obviously... But you aren't OWED anything, nor do you have a right to demand anything. And just read through this forum, many people are demanding Microsoft come out and lay out a blueprint of their updates, exact dates and such. They're also mad at Microsoft because they decided to believe various rumors about various dates, even reaching far for evidence to place blame.

You're more than welcome to expect service, but demands and deeming the approach a failure after three months is ridiculous. I'm a former mechanic, so let's lay it like this, do you guys become upset when your car manufacturer doesn't supply your PCM, TCM, or BCM with an update to fix a bug? I mean, they do it, at their own schedule, and I'm almost positive most of you use your vehicles as much as your phones...

Doministry, you are a customer, you are right, not a share holder... You can't make demands from the company. Offer your opinions, and this isn't implicated to be towards you two at all, but users should relax in their approach, honestly. I've been saying this for weeks. We see this in the Android forums with the lack of updates. Yes, I agree Google has been weak with it's approach with OEMs, but you bought a device with the OS it came with, you aren't entitled to any sort of update/upgrade.

Again, I would love one, and expect one... But expectations and hopes are far from demands.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That's the point.

If the device has bugs and omissions I demand upgrade.

WP7 has demands and omissions hence I demand upgrade.

But let's just see what they - finally - say on this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kirimaru89:
oh my god :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Again, none of us, myself included, have any rightto make any demands... You paid for the device in your hands, as is. Doesn't mean its in their best interest to leave us out in the cold... I want my updates, but the approach of most users demanding dates, schedules, features and what not is tiring... Microsoft has made uncountable amounts of money, and made numerous successful products, even if the product appeared as a flop, yes, that includes the first releases of windows... I don't think they need business advice from anybody here...

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] gd761:
Probably what is keeping MS from releasing NoDo before March 8 is not Copy & Paste, but CDMA support for us on Sprint & for Verizon. That's why we don't have any WP7 phone's yet. I have been waiting for MS to release it, so Sprint & Verizon can then release WP7 phone's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
The question is then, why not release two updates - one with C&P and another one with CDMA support? I frankly couldn't care less for the latter - why make me wait?

That being said, I don't care too much for the update itself. March 8 isn't too far off as far as I'm concerned.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gd761:
I do not think that MS is going to release Updates for WP7 like they do for PC. For PC, they have just a small amount of tweaking to do for their PC update's, but for WP7 it's not that simple. Many different manufacture's and different technology's (GSM & CDMA) also what the different manufacture's have either done or had done to the device's. Remember when the only Front camera phone's were Just Europe & Asia, or how that None of the phone's here had FM Radio, but they had them in Europe & Asia. These are just some of the thing's to consider. I have'nt even got to the part about sending out OTA Update's that would be effected by and effect the traffic over the cell network's. AT&T has been loaded up on their traffic over their network because of the iPhone. Think about that also.

I AM NOT DEFENDING ANYONE BY SAYING THIS. I am just stating the fact's, so don't jump all over me for this post. Take a minute and just think about it before you want to jump all over me for this post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Biggest selling point of WP7, timely updates. How many have your device seen?
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Pretty sure that's only your biggest selling point, as I'm sure the UI, experience, overall performance of the phone is what drives people to buy products... Android rarely releases OS updates and yet people buy their phones... Like I said, people are reaching here, and then trying to find any reason to say that this is a failure three months in, it's pretty embarassing to read some of these posts.