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[Epic 4G General] SINNN:
Its because everyone bish and moan about dk28 not being giving to us earlier. The leaker got angry from the abuse he got from some members in here. They have it, but it ain't gonna get leaked for us to teach us never to bite the hand that feeds us. Hehe. Serves us right.
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
I think that's part of the problem as well. The whole process is a vicious cycle. They see people expect perfect, they make a release that takes forever, it has problems, the internet melts, and the next time they say "ok, this has to be even MORE perfect"
[Epic 4G General] xjman:
Froyo will be out at some point, period. Just because people don't vocalize an interest in something doesn't mean they wont release it. The Echo is the perfect example of that.

If you think this phone is getting anything besides froyo you are mistaken. We know froyo is a possibility because the number of test builds.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
The only thing that gets companies attention is $$$. If you are that upset about the slowness of the update release, eat the ETF and cancel your service and go to one of the other companies/manufacturers you feel do it the way you want.
[Epic 4G General] captblaze:
here is something to think about...

galaxy s tab has maintenance release a day or so ago... build EA24

epic 4g has rumored update... build EA17

seems like sprint is more interested in new tablet sales than providing an upgrade for a device that has been around for 6 months...

what do y'all think?

^
[Epic 4G General] adamw1101:
We after the source code and therefore want an official release
[Epic 4G General] adamw1101:
What I am saying is they are delaying froyo so they never have to offer us gingerbread! EOL end of life we will get cm7 once we get a source code for EA17 or whatever is the official
[Epic 4G General] flash_c4:
If this is the case then we now know there will be no way in hell that we will ever see Gingerbread.... :-)
[Epic 4G General] scott47:
I'm confused why people like to blame Sprint. Honestly, while I don't like Sprint (yes, they are my carrier) the Galaxy S models from AT&T and Verizon have not been updated either. So far, T-Mobile's Vibrant is the only one that has been officially updated.

I blame it more on Samsung. While I love my Samsung TV, I don't think they know what they are doing with cell phones. Sure they can make and sell really cool phones but I am severely disappointed with their after purchase support. Hopefully Froyo will be out on 02/21 but I'm not going to hold my breath and be disappointed again if it's not.
[Epic 4G General] spitefulrain:
People blame Sprint because they have the update. Samsung did their part, and give the update to the carriers to add and change what they feel necessary.
[Epic 4G General] HeXeD:
please provide a credible link (official from Sprint) where Froyo was "promised" to us in December. Hell.. go ahead and provide an "official" announcement from Sprint saying we were getting Froyo soon after release..

Sprint has yet to make any official announcement for the release of Froyo for the Epic since it's release. I know that sales people at Sprint's stores and people giving sample devices to major review sites have told people Froyo would be soon after release. But I have yet to see any official announcement or date from Sprint regarding the release of froyo, and a hard date. Taking a sales person's word that Froyo will be out soon after release is just about the same as taking the word of this most recent rumor...and the rumor before that.. and the rumor before that. They are just rumors. Even though some may be "In the know" more than others, it is all just speculation and rumors until there is an "official" announcement for the update from Sprint. Just because a salesperson promised it would be out in December, doesn't mean "Sprint" promised it by December.

...maybe you should have read around too to have a better understanding of the situation. So before the Epic 4G released you had two different "promises." One by a key individual in Samsung (Pres of US Mobile division and a tweet from samsung twitter account) and several comments from Sprint sales people. Samsung promised it's users and clients on 6/29/10 that a froyo update would be available for US Galaxy S phones by the end of the year (2010). But on the exact same date, Sprint reps were saying it would be "soon after the release of the Epic 4G). If you put 2 and 2 together you can pretty much figure that "Soon after" is not weeks after the release. If Samsung promised by the year's end on 6/29 and Sprint reps promised on 6/29 that it would be "soon after Epic 4G launch" that could put up to 4 months of waiting..not weeks. I'm sure once Samsung was finished with 2.2 or 2.2.1, that it needed to provide that stock image to Sprint for "tweeking". This would mean it would take THAT MUCH longer for Froyo to make it to the Epic 4G.

So the bottom line is, except for the mention of a froyo update "soon after launch" in several reviews and previews of the Epic 4G, Sprint has yet to give us an official date. Even now they are obviously getting closer but are still refusing to give us a date. So face it, the only person who has let you down is yourself. Unless the company officially announces it, assume you are not getting it regardless of what the product or update is. Don't buy into any "..a valid source at Sprint said...blah blah blah" because you will only upset yourself when they don't follow through.
[Epic 4G General] adamw1101:
Then why are all the epic docks equipped with an audio out jack that you must have froyo to make work. Put 2 and 2 together yourself. Samsung is cokmmited to updating their handsets sprint however isn't. android must be serviced with updates thats the name of the game. And if sprint doesnt want to play ball you should go to a new carrier. That's my plan.
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
MY HTC Hero is running Gingerbread at home, and it wasn't supposed to get Froyo. We might not see it from Sprint/Samsung, but who cares?

Ironically most people want Sprint/Samsung to finish this update just so we don't have to deal with them anymore.

Once noobnl et al get the kernel source, and whatnot, it's off to the races, and good bye touchwiz, for about half the people here.

Edit: Buy an epic for the screen, KB, and Hummingbird, the software will sort itself out before too long.
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
Well Said Sir. I could really care less about the OTA. I'm just ready for the source to get into our dev's hands here and for some real magic to happen. We will have what all the other phones in our class have thanks to Noobnl and friends over @ Cyanogen. Even a MUIU would be pretty awesome to see. The phone has had so much potential but very little play since we have had our hands tied with waiting for this release.
[Epic 4G General] adamw1101:
Exactly. Sprint, sammy give us the source and then beat it!
[Epic 4G General] neweternity4321:
Believe it when I see it...

My previous two phones were both Windows Mobile phones (PPC-6700 and Touch Pro2) and my history with Sprint tells me that most of these dates are nothing more than rumors. Until I see something official from Sprint, I won't be holding my breath. I could be wrong, but I doubt we will see this before Google releases the 2.4 SDK... That being said, I love my Epic; my only complaint is the abysmal GPS. Here's hoping we see something soon! *crosses fingers*
[Epic 4G General] hardrock121:
i ve heard a lot that sammy gave the froyo to carriers and its with them .. but wheres the source for that?? i know i might be wrong here .. but i m still wondering how did ppl get this info and where from??? i wud really luv to read it up.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
People who want OC kernels and the like for CM7.
[Epic 4G General] rocket321:
I'm just glad with these new code names that it appears samsung is still developing for this phone. With eb13 there are still so many bugs. If we ca get a better codebase, kernel, and radio/modem then the devs will be able to cook even better stuff for us! Plus those who wait for ota's are still stuck on eclair...
[Epic 4G General] Quis89:
EC05 is actually an updated Froyo with Sprint ID included...

This isn't a joke either. A Sprint care documented was emailed regarding this.
[Epic 4G General] Quis89:
Lol @ Samsung hardware being better than HTC. HTC has a more refined and polished look. My Epic doesn't have that sturdy and durable feel. In comparison to my Shift my Epic loses.
[Epic 4G General] NEXUS 4G:
Samsung

being better than HTC. HTC has a more refined and polished look. My Epic doesn't have that sturdy and durable feel. In comparison to my Shift my Epic loses.

Key word here---------Hardware
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Samsung wins in the more important hardware- the internals, even now with HTC's newest phone the Thunderbolt, the Epic is still a much more powerful device and was released half a year ago.
[Epic 4G General] bcegielski:
I guess we will wait and see about 2.3 since we are still waiting on 2.2. As far as which phone is better I love my epic but honestly its completely a matter of preference all of these phones are really powerfull and can do amazing things.
[Epic 4G General] notoriouspyro:
I was just about to state the same thing... Yup... From what I have seen from our "stuff" it is not GB, but Froyo with sprintID sprinkles...
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
Oh boy sprint Id. I wouldn't touch that update till our developers cook it up.

Sent From My Evo Killer!
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
If is indeed Sprint ID, CM7 should get a boost from the source code because (correct me if I'm wrong) Sprint ID is mostly AOSP with Sprint bloat added.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
If it is Sprint ID, I will finally root my epic. No way am I letting that crap near my epic beast

Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
[Epic 4G General] notoriouspyro:
You are correct sir. In fact if you take any of our 3 sprint ID phones, you can actually opt not to install an ID and run a completely bloatware free device.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Thanks for the confirmation, I wasn't 100% sure before but now I definitely hope that the next "Official Update" includes Sprint ID rather than 'Wiz.
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
Yes but I don't think Sprint ID is AOSP. It's slapped on top of it. They may have found a way to integrate it with TouchWiz also. I find it hard to believe Samsung coded a build that is free of TouchWiz. It just sound too good to be true.
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
Lol I've seen ton of htc phones returned because they break so easily. If you get a newer epic the slider is way stiffer and the screen doesn't push in. So they fixed the bad builds. Anyways the hardware is 100X better than htc sorry but they are low quality. That's why its cheaper.
[Epic 4G General] b15love:
maybe the plastic housing, but the internals...nope.
[Epic 4G General] Quis89:
Tons? Exageration, maybe?

I personally havent seen any more HTC phones returned than I have Samsung.

Exactly what about the Samsung hardware makes it so much better than HTC? I'm intersted in knowing this because in my experience I dont see it. And I own the Epic, the Shift and the EVO...
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
HTC is almost always ~8 months behind as far as processors (not completely their fault, Qualcomm has deals with them to be their supplier and is pretty slow to react to change.) while Samsung is usually at the bleeding edge.
[Epic 4G General] omair2005:
but samsung is behind aesthetics! I wish they made a sexy looking phone with a kodak camera :X
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Htc hasn't made a new phone in a year. Every "new" phone they release is an exact copy of a previous phone with the exact same snapdragon garbage. The snapdragon is a joke compared to the hummingbird SoC. Try playing an mkv or avi file on any htc phone. They can't play smoothly at all. Not enough power. Try playing a game like dungeon defenders on any htc phone. Atrocious. Give me a plastic outside and ridiculous internals over a "solid" outside and **** internals anyday.
[Epic 4G General] gsxrdennis25:
official update 3/21

there will be an official update for the epic on 3/21

Samsung Epic Upgrading to EC05

Update will be pushed to customers over a 4-day period

OTA duration time = 10-20 minutes; install time = 8-10 minutes

After the update completes, verify the new software version (Menu > Settings > About Phone)

Enhancements/fixes: upgrade to Android 2.2.1 (Froyo), add Sprint ID, install apps to external storage, improved Bluetooth device support, Bluetooth voice dialing, Flash Player 10.1, GPS enhancements improved OS performance
[Epic 4G General] Elite11b:
Where did you find this?
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
Mmmmm boy. Only hope it actually is better than EB13 and that SprintID is optional or at least doesn't gimp the thing. Haven't even tried EB13.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Yes a link would be nice,

Time for round 2 sprint and samsung hopefully the fix the bluetooth problems and what not..

I cant believe if this is true we will have to wait around again :( for themes to get ported and roms, however i dont think it will be near as hard considering we are already on on official froyo. :rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Print Screen please?? :cool:
[Epic 4G General] Akagami:
I wonder when they will post the source code.... Itll be interesting to see the differences from EB13.
[Epic 4G General] gsxrdennis25:
the big difference is they are eliminating touchwiz and replacing it with sprint id, essentially vanilla froyo appearance with the option to switch between preset and user customized themes similar to htc scenes
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
I can confirm,I've been saying it for the past week in my ROM thread...
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Im sure there will be a new modem meaning improvements on the radio, hopefully and as well as some minor bug fixes like bluetooth..

Any print screen shot yet? it will prevent you from getting flamed or attacked by people.. just saying... :rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
Ok, I call bs on the elimination of touchwiz....everything else is plausible.
[Epic 4G General] Akagami:
It looks like EC05 just got a release date stated here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=997471

It sounds like they've patched up EB13(still a froyo update but I think most of us were expecting that). It'll be interesting to see what changes were made.
[Epic 4G General] jeremyglass:
Is this gingerbread (highly doubt it just wondering) or a fix for the last thing they called an update?
[Epic 4G General] gsxrdennis25:
no its still froyo, sprint pulled the eb13 update and told us not to install on customers phones due to the issues ppl were having
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
no not gingerbread, and it better fix the eb13 issues!!

i for one have no issues with eb13 except the annoying bluetooth connect issues!!
[Epic 4G General] Ree$e:
3/21 new update for froyo

I've been reading a lot of post and I was successful at rooting my phone with the one click root 2.5.1 but thats the furthest I got. The odin or the other way didn't work for me neither did pulling it to my sd card but I want to try the viper-rom frozen it looks sweet! but for now i just want the damn froyo on my damn phone. :confused:

-Epic 4g stock user
[Epic 4G General] asdfghjkl:
Are you sure you used ODIN right? Get the ext4 version of EB13 with 3.0.0.6 prerooted. the thread should be in development...Now you have froyo...
[Epic 4G General] Ree$e:
with the odin I keep getting the md5 error bull crap..
[Epic 4G General] kalico17:
the OP is 100% correct with his info

this is an update. not a fix. it is EC05 an it does roll out on the 21st.. over the course of 4 days..

id post the PDF detailing everything..

but yall some *****es anyway.
[Epic 4G General] xxmastermindxx:
Try deleting ".md5" from the file name and odin again. Also, viper and frozen are two different roms ;)
[Epic 4G General] poit:
This totally makes sense. The last test release was EC05 (March 5th), typical two week wait between final test release brings you to the 19th, the next Monday is the 21st.

Hope it gets posted on the Samsung site like EB13 did. Update by wire is way cleaner than OTA.
[Epic 4G General] kalico17:
not asking to be trusted or come off reliable.

it fixes 3g and 4g tethering tho..

also fixes email pin authentication but i dont use that..

ohhhhh shiiieeeetttttttt

might have to flash back to stock

lovin CM7 tho :/
[Epic 4G General] TNTRMSKD:
With the camera fix flashed and some tweaks my rooted eb13 runs damn near perfect. I don't know about the bluetooth issues as I only use bluetooth for OBD-II dongle and have had 0 problems. Not updating, especially if the touchwiz to SprintID replacement is true.
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
I've known the release date for 2 weeks,but decided not to say anything just because I didn't feel the need... But as you can see that why my ROMs went unsupported,because I knew the update was coming.

Edit::: ECO5OCE is my next ROM name,sweet ;)
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Once again I tried to get the dump,but my source never takes any risk...
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Then Touchwiz is still in EC05, that sucks.
[Epic 4G General] asdfghjkl:
Ok, so my question...Does it really remove touchwiz? And in your opinion can sprint id be removed like the Ciq stuff??
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
All the blue means touchwiz is still there.
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Sprint ID is pretty simple to remove,its just a theme manager pretty much, just imbedded deeper in the code.

Edit::: I am not confirming one way or the other that it comes with Sprint ID,this I was never told...
[Epic 4G General] asdfghjkl:
Oh right...thanks. Cant believe i missed that lol
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-epic-galaxy-tab-and-transform-otas-coming-sprint-march-21

Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Looked through the thread, figured id post the link.

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-epic-galaxy-tab-and-transform-otas-coming-sprint-march-21

Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
[Link] Details of EC05 update

Details of the EC05 update

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-epic-galaxy-tab-and-transform-otas-coming-sprint-march-21

Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
[Epic 4G General] Unknown Zone:
For me I am not that crazy or a fan of "Sprint ID", I am pretty sure the devs here at xda can remove.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
Concerning EC05

Will I be able to odin to ec05 then root then cwm then can I just restore data?
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Me too. I will so root my epic, to get rid of sprint id. But I will try sprint id before I decide

Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
[Epic 4G General] Unknown Zone:
since you started a EC05 topic, here is my copied/paste from my reply to your post on the EC05 rumor thread...lol

For me I am not that crazy or a fan of "Sprint ID", I am pretty sure the devs here at xda can remove.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
We'll find out on the 21st.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
currently on eb13
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
I saw that lol

Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
I'm gonna say the reason it hasn't been dumped (edit::: to the masses) yet is because Sprint has incorparated new identifiers in the builds,they will know where it came from...
[Epic 4G General] flopez76:
So, is Sprint ID good or bad?

Sent From My Command Center... (aka basement)
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Sprint ui and app market I believe
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Yes, you will be able to Odin and then restore data.
[Epic 4G General] kalico17:
that was takin from the document. i got a 7 page pdf with detailed instructions an play by play on how its gonna go down lol. i just cut the actual pic out of it..

im waiting like the rest of yall.
[Epic 4G General] overground:
Please stay on topic and cease the flames. Thank you.
[Epic 4G General] gtuansdiamm:
Sprint id = bloatware

Bloatware = bad

Bad = u dont want
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Sprint ID has less bloat to begin with,it will have Sprint apps,but the themes is where the real bloat can add up,it will save new apps,ringtones and wallpapers from each theme,unless you make the effort to delete them.
[Epic 4G General] Milkman00:
Question.. Couldn't Touchwiz be considered Bloatware as well?
[Epic 4G General] gtuansdiamm:
Im guessing eco5 is the last build id there isnt many problems left

Its probably the last build because the trend in builds was one a week and since its.been like two we most likely wont get gingerbread

On the bright side we have cm7

I would also have cm7 then gingerbread with no touchwiz and sprint id
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Touchwiz is the worst type of bloatware,that is imbedded in the framework,not just a launcher... Just like blur or any other UI.
[Epic 4G General] raymond4:
I would say touchwiz would be considered bloatware
[Epic 4G General] iil:
sure - Touchwiz can be considered bloatware for those who

want to remove it.
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Any thing that is not AOSP android OS is bloat,plain and simple...
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Not exactly, anything that can't be removed and isn't wanted would be bloat, for instance the netflix app from the LG revolution, while added by Verizon, it adds a wanted feature so it isn't bloat.
[Epic 4G General] relic419:
It definitely is bloat. If it isn't AOSP and can't be removed, I consider that bloat. I don't use, nor do I plan on using Netflix, so why would I want it on my phone?
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
No I'm pretty sure that anything not coming from google is considered bloat,and it is that simple; Not just because you like the feature,because some people may not have a netflix account. But really any app,theme that is added from carrier or manufacturer is bloat.
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
I've done a bit of research on SprintID and some people said that for another device it was optional on first phone boot. Would be cool if true, but may not apply to the Epic. I guess our "guinea pigs" will tell us!
[Epic 4G General] djbacon06:
hmm, not sure why my post was deleted, definitely wasn't "flaming" anybody, but oh well.

I don't think they will be removing touchwiz, they would just put it on top because sprint ID is not an interface as far as I know, its just theme packages that download apps and widgets for you based on your "interest."

personally, I would love to see this update WITH OUT sprint ID, I think it is pretty stupid

What is Sprint ID?
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
So is Sense but it runs smoother,but to me Twiz looks way better.
[Epic 4G General] :
Additional source: http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/270539
[Epic 4G General] Xerexis:
Stock in my opinion is crap. The devs work hard to provide us with everything we need to make our phones rock while the update might fix a few issues my phone is near perfect already with the camera fixes and the removal of the Carrier IQ. Syndicate is rockin the house and Cyanogen 7 perfection is right around the corner. Samsung releases and the devs make it right, Samsung and sprint = to little to late. Our Dev circle may be smaller then the Evo and other phones but the Devs we do have give us all we need with out the crap. I'll wait until C7 is complete and see what transpires.
[Epic 4G General] nubecoder:
Yes, but that source's source isn't new. ;]

As far as Sprint ID goes, it looks like the video is using the froyo launcher and the only thing that is changing is apps, widgets, and wallpapers.

I doubt they are going to be dropping TW for the launcher, they'll probably just add a shortcut to Sprint ID next to the Phone shortcut.

=]
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
oh this sucks. now more odin and flashing to do.
[Epic 4G General] galaxyd700:
do we need to be on di18 or will the update come if were on the eb13?
[Epic 4G General] Ree$e:
Question cause my Baseband version and Build number reads DG17 at the end im limit to what i can do???? most the software upgrades are for different eb13 or di18.
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
The only reason that I would possibly think about updating to ec05 would be a newer modem and to see if they have bug fixes.