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[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
Yeah I dont see any reason for techs behind the glass working on phones to not know whats going on, they really dont have to deal with people. Sales floor on the other hand, are there for sales, whatever makes the sale. I had one guy tell me a year ago or so, the Hero was way better than the Moment, then I said I wanted a keyboard, he then said 'well, the hero is pretty outdated'... when I asked about the epic when it was first announced, I was told it wasnt going to be that great, just a big screen, and that the evo was the way to go, so sign here for the 150 person line to get one... riiiight. They have been intentionally keeping that thing in low stock forever. Then I got an epic, and was told oh 2.2 will be out in a couple weeks, as I had just tried a moment for a month, and read the tales of its update process, I was ok with waiting a few months for 2.2, as I assumed 3 months max... wow, then it got ridiculous. And its true, I really didnt care about 2.2 until I came on here, then I found out about the non functional docks, the various bugs, no HDMI, no AV even... all this stuff pointed at 2.2 being a pretty critical update, after all, it enables so much of the phones selling points. I really did not get too frustrated, especially as the DK28 roms were getting better and better, figured out GPS fix, etc... then SamsungJohn came along. I dont even know if he had any intention of saying or doing anything about froyo.... but that obnoxious sales/PR botch that ensued really pissed me off.... I had actually been defending Samsung, blaming the US carriers, and I still think they are largely at fault, but Samsung's handling of this reminds me of MS and the RROD, deny everything. I thought Samsung handed it off to Sprint etc. in october??? So... IF they are involved again, why??? Maybe they arent, and deleting comments on FB, Twitter, SamsungMobile, etc. is just them taking down complaints that should be on the Sprint boards... as im sure they cannot say 'hey, this is all Sprints fault, we delivered about a month late... they screwed the pooch from there out'. I honestly think sprint does not care about samsung phones, and focuses on HTC, as the EVO is still considered flagship, yeah, as long as the Epic is neutered... weak. And that kind of buddy buddy **** is why MS is so annoying in the gaming industry... paying for exclusives. The Epic is PS3 part 2... why do I have to go and read specs instead of doing what everyone else does just because their product is marketed better????
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
ALMOST started a new thread...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=955776

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11420454#post11420454

These two threads, both addressing SamsungJohn, which were posted to General>General, were subsequently moved to 'off-topic' and 'about xda.com' or whatever innocuous hole it is.... The original threads created by SJ after conferring with Svetius were posted to General, as they pertained to all SGS phones, and they wanted one place for the whole bomb to go off... so Why is XDA now burying our discussions about SJ, and Samsung's practices in general (deleting negative comments on FB, Samsung Mobile!, and not allowing new negative ones to be made, read the threads above).

This is weird... was he really a troll, and xda is embarassed to have fallen for it? Does he work for HTC??? Crazy...
[Epic 4G General] blackdragon79:
Don't want to be skeptical

Ok with all rumors and missed dates concerning froyo as of late I'm just going come to terms that official froyo will never see the light of day on the epic. This phone came out august of last year now its almost the end of feb and still no froyo. I'm just goin put it in my mind that this phone will never see froyo. If so than I will glady take this back. But I highly doubt it
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I'm sure it'll be out, eventually. If Samsung skips Froyo and jumps ot Gingerbread, I'll forgive them. :)
[Epic 4G General] brickwall99:
To me it seems like Samsung/Sprint aren't really counting the Epic as a Galaxy S phone lol It's the mushroom of the family, it gets kept in the dark and fed sh*t.
[Epic 4G General] blackdragon79:
I would to. If not I'm going back to htc
[Epic 4G General] delawaresace:
So this morning I tried to update firmware and instead of getting the "No update is available. Try again later", it just endlessly continues to check for updates. Is this a sign or is it just my POS Samsung phone?

update: after waiting for about 3 minutes it says

"An error occurred while trying to update your Firmware. Please try again later.

If the problem persists, please call customer care.

Error: Unknown Error"

I wonder what this means?
[Epic 4G General] DurhamHusker:
IMHO, those of us that believe GB is imminent for the Epic are just kidding ourselves.

First of all, all the official statements from carriers and Samsung have been pointing to an "ASAP" release of Froyo ... not GB. Second, I think it's important to remind ourselves that U.S. carriers rarely (ever?) are first to market with these O.S. updates. Overseas Galaxy S owners have had Froyo for a while now ... and if we project the track records of other manufacturers onto Samsung then it ought to take a few months for Froyo to float across the Atlantic to our Epics.

Leapfrogging Froyo to get to GB doesn't sound like such a far fetched idea at face value ... but to think (with no official indication from Samsung or Sprint) we'd get it in the U.S. before any other Galaxy S variant worldwide might be.
[Epic 4G General] nikon120:
There are processes to be followed when releasing software and all updates on a scale this large. A release procedure needs to be created and tested thoroughly.
[Epic 4G General] Esteway.619:
No I don't think we will get a OTA if we are on dk28
[Epic 4G General] bryanfritz1:
Where's the guy who gave us dk28. The photo shows hardware version 4, maybe if he is still stock he can grab ea17 like he did dk28. Just a thought.

sent from "The Other Woman"
[Epic 4G General] blackdragon79:
You most likely won't get the ota update because you going have to be on di18 for the update to work. Your best bet is to odin back to di18 like a 2 days before it apparently comes out

Hope this link helps you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMibd__aSaQ
[Epic 4G General] rygran87:
Not sure. Maybe they didn't update them via OTA for this reason. Or maybe if they reflashed to DI18 they might get it?
[Epic 4G General] gokuman56:
This DL17 was already released for the Vibrant, but is being configured to work for the Epic. It will be much better than the vibrant release because all of those bugs will be ironed out as well as better features for our phone. Waiting does have its advantages, but I guess this is the most I'll wait, I will really get mad at Samsung if this time the froyo release won't come out!
[Epic 4G General] rygran87:
I think you're slightly mistaken... I don't think Sprint took the Fascinate ROM to configure it for the Epic.
[Epic 4G General] gokuman56:
But I'm assuming that it will still be similiar to the vibrant release, samsung will probably use that as a framework at least
[Epic 4G General] edonnelly:
Your best bet is to just stay with what you've got. There will be ROMs and Odin tars within days if not hours of the OTA release.
[Epic 4G General] jtw78:
This looks like about as legit a rumor as we can get. At least they did the work of creating a good screenshot, if nothing else. When I was a junior high school kid I bounced from one crush to another. I didn't feel complete if I wasn't pining away after some brace-faced girl. Froyo rumors have replaced that feeling for me. I know my hopes will be dashed, but it's the hoping that keeps me going.
[Epic 4G General] rygran87:
No. Samsung gave the carriers their base version and they take it and put their bloatware and fix bugs that result from them screwing with a good thing.
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
I can confirm it is done and has been,it is still in testing phase... The last I heard was EA16,but that was changed I guess.
[Epic 4G General] flash_c4:
If Sprint/Samsung aren't going to release anything until it's "right" then I hate to tell you this but they will never be releasing anything for the Epic.
[Epic 4G General] atriad:
Guys,

I've always experienced EA to mean Early Access so EA17...doesn't much to me except its in beta and will be released when ready...
[Epic 4G General] nimaim:
*yawn* /10char
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
EA17 means E is for 2011, A is for January, and 17 is the day in january they named it.

Sent from my non-rooted, stock Epic.
[Epic 4G General] Rudyblah:
This is starting to feel like another chinese democracy. Maybe we'll get a free dr. Pepper with this on too lol
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
Screenshot or no screenshot, I believe nothing until people at XDA have it and I can get it. Too many burns from the past. And I really like my Epic even on rooted stock 2.1 :-) just hoping Froyo makes it extra awesome.
[Epic 4G General] AproSamurai:
What Hardware Revision are most people? I'm curious since this is involved with this current situation.
[Epic 4G General] Beezer80:
What the hell is 10char?
[Epic 4G General] cpcormier3:
Sounds real far fetched to me. They haven't released froyo. I can't imagine they've been working on gingerbread for the epic, which has a keyboard and CDMA. Gingerbread will be released in Europe probably a good month or 2 before we ever see and update here.
[Epic 4G General] :
Can you explain what you did? I gave them hell yesterday and made some decent comparisons to the Sprint rep.

For example, if a tower goes down. Who do most customers blame? Sprint right? Reality is, Ericcson manages Sprint's network. Yet, Sprint has to take the blame.

Ericcson is the vendor and if they make mistakes, it reflects the carrier.

Same goes for Samsung and especially Sprint for releasing a flawed product.

Sorry to complain, i just honestly regret buying this phone
[Epic 4G General] flash_c4:
I don't regret buying the Epic because I didn't buy it. I actually got it for free but had to burn an upgrade credit on our corporate account and THAT is what I regret. It looks like someone is going to be stuck without getting a new phone for a while longer because if the "epic" issues with the Epic don't get sorted out soon I'm going to either burn someone else's upgrade credit and get a different phone with something better comes out in the months to come or just activate a phone on our corporate Verizon account.
[Epic 4G General] :
Your company has a corporate Sprint account and a corporate Verizon account?

May I ask why you aren't on the Verizon one in the first place :P ?

Unless of course you still have to pay and its cheaper on Sprint, which I can totally understand.
[Epic 4G General] bentiger:
According to a source in Sprint device operational support, 2.2 is going to be released "soon" and they are planning on an OTW tool to flash devices which will help in going from DK28 to the official release.

Hopefully "soon" is the rumored January 21 release.
[Epic 4G General] adamw1101:
Lol soon, lol. Is that the same as asap. Im curious if noobnl could tell.us how many hours he has worked total to compile cm 6 to work for our epics and ifhe could tell us how many fixes he has made. Might be good comparison for how poor sprint dev team is. And they get paid to do too.
[Epic 4G General] :
January 21 2012? :D
[Epic 4G General] bondosho:
Speculation shows:

2.3 Gingerbread

TouchWiz 4.0

40 Virgins

Winning the lottery
[Epic 4G General] maddoggin:
i dont understand why everyone is always complaining about this and that. when i hady moment people complained about it and it not getting froyo. now i get an epic and all i hear is people complaining about it not getting froyo. with the devs we have around this site who needs froyo. the devs create better roms here anyways. and im sure as soon as froyo comes to the epic everyone (who loves to complain) will just find something else to complain about. give it a break already. froyo is in the development forum for the epic. i just got my epic like three weeks ago rooted a week after i got it and running bonsai rom and i love my phone. in benchmark it blows all other phones out of the water so i have the best phone ever. wooo hooo!
[Epic 4G General] bjhill2112:
Yes, the Epic sports the PowerVR.
[Epic 4G General] riceknight:
Devs need Samsung to release froyo more than anyone else. Thats because, they need the source to be released to actually be able to modify the kernal and finish hammering out bugs.

Right now, besides Cyanogen and MIUI, most of the roms are exactly the same with just a few tweaks and/or program additions. We can't overclock/underclock or basically do anything at all with the kernel.

Its absolutely amazing how for CM6 and MIUI have come without the source and a real credit to our devs. Huge props to Dameon for EXT4 as well, but thats about as far as the community can go without Samsung giving out the source.
[Epic 4G General] iil:
There are some of us who can't root our phones for certain reasons. There are some of us whom support multiple epic users in a business setting and need an ota update to allow certain functions.

Just because you don't have a reason to complain, does not mean others don't have a valid reason

You only represent yourself, not every epic user out there.
[Epic 4G General] kain203:
What Samsung should do/What people really want

@SamsungJohn, @SamsungMobileUS if you really want to make it up to the community, release the source to the closed source parts of the epic so things like cyanogenmod can be easily developed for the phone.

You can keep your touchwiz and the bloatware source. No one wants that.
[Epic 4G General] :
Good point. What some people have to understand is we're a minority. Im willing to bet over 50% of Epic owners, don't even care nor know what Froyo is.

However, for those of us who do and really want it. Our opinions have to be expressed. Sure, this isn't the only and certainly won't be the last complaint but at the end of the day. We're unhappy customers. (At least I am) and Samsung should be held accountable.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
I would say over 75%...
[Epic 4G General] optimiss:
Of course they are working on gingerbread. Look how long it took them to port froyo. They need all the lead time they can get. Besides, working on various tiers of updates for software happens al the time.

Sent from my mom
[Epic 4G General] jasonsf:
A Samsung "exec" claims update is "imminent."

http://www.phonedog.com/2011/02/17/...lphoneblog+(PhoneDog.com+Cell+Phone+articles)

We'll see.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
ya this is old, at least you put in this section :rolleyes:

btw i live in tucson too :D
[Epic 4G General] jasonsf:
Cool! Nice weather today :-)

I hate it when places like PhoneDog regurgitate old news :-(

And SamsungJohn Tweeted about the new "Communicate with Samsung" page. Whoopee! Look at the questions that are appropriate and not. Worthless!

http://www.xda-developers.com/communicate-with-samsung/
[Epic 4G General] globalninja:
You can pretty much google search any question that is not "technical".
[Epic 4G General] tokyomonster:
Old? The phone dog article was posted an hour ago, and PC Mag published the article on 2/17, today. Anyways, fingers crossed.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
But that was just edited for there page there are many phone article sites saying the same thing...
[Epic 4G General] lazyart:
Yes.. what is the significance of S? Developers and modders are really curious about this kinda stuff...</sarcasm>

Hey, SamsungJohn... if your message was appropriately tuned to this audience you'd be better received.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
yes awesome weather 61 degrees and looks like rain may come on the east side.
[Epic 4G General] jasonsf:
Actually, reading the PCMag article, it sounds like this was just said in Barcelona at Mobile World Congress. Probably answering a question during their keynote. Hopefully this guy has some knowledge of the actual process and isn't just saying what people want to hear.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
We should all ask a ton of "appropriate" questions in that communicate with samsung thing. Like:

How come the phone is a greyish black?

Why did you choose to use a chrome trim?

Do you think the screen is pretty?
[Epic 4G General] worldwidepmp:
How about "Why won't Samsung let us Epic owners be great?"
[Epic 4G General] tokyomonster:
Exactly. Thanks for actually reading the article :)
[Epic 4G General] i.mykol:
Over reading? Maybe. it is just one article and a weak link. I read it pretty late and the mind can play tricks that late.:o

That is true, i thought of that too, but my rational was that they would have separated the Galaxy S out from the SII if they were going to write the article and put the 2.3 disclaimer in. it seems to me that Sybase would have asked Samsung which phones it had/wanted to support the "New" Clients, which would require 2.3, and Samsung told them the S and SII.

You make very valid points as do some people replying to this article, but i also found it odd, if you would, that Samsung is releasing 4ish sub-Galaxy Phones with 2.2 .... food for thought.
[Epic 4G General] raiderep:
Just give us AOSP for the device. I own it and Sprint should have no say in the matter. I realize this will never happen but it should. I am getting ready to switch to a nexus as this is the only way to eliminate the clash between carriers/mfgs. Google started something great with android its just sad that the carriers/mfgs don't see that yet and keep adding stuff to it and bogging it down with stuff we don't want. If we want that stuff we can add it ourselves, or is that too hard to understand?

I am the consumer here and I want what I want...plain and simple. Maybe the wrong place for this but its what I wanted to say...and this seemed like a good spot to throw it out there.

sent by an Epic4g through the cosmos
[Epic 4G General] maddoggin:
your right i only represent myself and maybe i don't understand the whole story behind everyone's complaint it just seems fruitless to me. but again all i'm reading is epic sucks and samsung sucks and this and that, i guess the bottom line is i don't understand why people feel this way. as i said before i just bought my epic and came from a moment and i love my phone. so yeah i just don't understand that's all. don't mean to offend! i give props to the devs on this site for the work they do. awesome!
[Epic 4G General] jaaka78:
EB17

Looks like EB17 is the newest version now:

http://device.sprintpcs.com/Samsung/SPH-D700/EB17.rdf
[Epic 4G General] OregonLAN:
At the very least, Samsung should release a functional 2.2.1 update and source for their entire Galaxy S family of smartphones. However, I fail to see this happening. My gut feeling tells me that Samsung is trying to rewrite drivers and software to work around or hide a flaws in the hardware. I think this is why Froyo keeps getting pushed back month after month and why DK28 works fine for some and not others. The problem is much more complicated than Sprint's Software or Touchwiz not working properly.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
that was fun to read :mad: but thanks for the update, i wish it had a release date or something!!
[Epic 4G General] jasonsf:
Enjoy loving your phone! Don't let yourself covet the features that we don't have. Seriously, it is a great phone. Just frustrating that we don't get the upgrades that add some really nice features. Kudos to you if you like the phone the way it is. It will save you lots of headaches!
[Epic 4G General] jasonsf:
LOL. Looks better if you view source. :-)
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
At the very worst atleast there are a ton of builds lately. we are now the last galaxy s to get froyo. ( unless the fascinate didnt get it ) It has to be any day now if not the 21st then very shortly after. imo
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
lol thanks for the tip, that helped it more readable but still no date :(
[Epic 4G General] jaaka78:
I would be surprised if it happens on the 21st since that would mean they only tested the new build for a couple of days. IMO, logic tells me that it will be at least another week before we see an update.
[Epic 4G General] Gersonian:
Although it doesn't give you a date, it does give insight into when the build was made. I think this is from today, which is a little disappointing and possibly indicates that a Monday/Tuesday update is unlikely (in tandem with no mention in the playbook).

It's great that they are constantly working on it and we keep getting to see evidence of new builds, but I am dying to know what issues keep showing up from build to build. It would be awesome to see a bug report from one of the Sprint devs or testers. Simple communication from Sprint on WHAT the issues are that are holding it back would mean a lot to the community.

I am way past blaming Samsung for this debacle, but I am as disappointed as everyone else in this SamsungJohn business. What is evident is that Samsung got Froyo to the carriers and that the carriers are the ones who cannot get their act together. I think we as even a small subset of consumers should be doing all we can to hold Sprint accountable and to make them understand that even though its a small community of people who care, many folks here inform the larger consumer base through larger internet and media means. As an example, you can find articles on the Epic Froyo update on the San Fransisco Chronicle.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
suggestion? Since all the SamsungJohn stuff is REALLY all about froyo... we should put it there, I know it seems different, but were getting a lot of threads about it, and I would like to watch my stories all on one channel ;) Not flagging it, if the OP would like to request if moved, you can, I just feel really bad for Impaler and anyone else policing this e-riot.
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
I agree...I'm so tempted to get an Evo, but there's really no way to get one other than Craigslist since Sprint doesn't allow a switch after a few months of owning the phone..I believe the Epic is great and all, but it really needs cm7/FroYo source code..
[Epic 4G General] jasonsf:
The plot thickens:

http://www.androidcentral.com/froyo-epic-4g-and-sanyo-zio-come-feb-21-says-internal-sprint-doc
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
Woah! Didn't see that coming!

Edit: Wait...read this:

We can't verify ourselves (hence the rumor tag), in part because Sprint would never let any of us within 100 meters of their computers. I think that's a law somewhere. But we can listen to our readers who are allowed to be close to them, and we're hearing this

So it's just another rumor, technically. But then again, it does kind of make sense.
[Epic 4G General] tokyomonster:
I'mma wait until I see a screenshot to get *realllly* excited, but this is promising.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
i thought it was suppose to be EB17?

thanks for the update, on that, i thought that was article was already posted a couple days ago?? no??
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
It's similar to the other ones, but this one's new (like it literally came out within the last ten minutes lol)
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
well cool, hopefully we shall see the source come monday.. also maybe get a maintence update to EB17?? who know as long as we have a good working froyo ill be happy!!!