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[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
i tested this, and as it seems plainly stupid, i will just make a post for it.

i uploaded what a Zune (zune hardware) firmware file contains (zboot.bin, ext.bin & nk.bin) files to the Kin storage and after rebooting (maybe 2 times) KinO shows a "Zboot.bin.unp" file in the root storage without size (like a folder).

There are no files inside, and there are no extra files, just it. It's kind of a weird thing, cause that's a file used for booting Tegra devices (like Zune or the Kin).

Maybe some .bin files are "UNPacked"... somehow?.

Btw,I tested the .zcp files (zune applications) without success, uploading with KinO. They should be uploaded with zune (software) so i dunno if they must be as firmware or binary file (like i made with kino).
[KIN Two Software Development] dbakery:
Alright i just joined this forum but iv been following the threads for a week now and am starting to get excited i am getting my kin tomorrow and i just wanna ask a slightly stupid question x) how close are we to this thing being hacked haha im sorry for the extreme noobitude and im gonna try to fix that but im looking forward to breakthrough in either the od department or even the home brew apps department thank u very much in advance
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
thing is not hacked. thing may be not hacked in the future. nuff said for the current status.
[KIN Two Software Development] klamation:
What port? Are you thinking a USB port, or a network communication port like HTTP port 80? Kin studio was a web (cloud) portal that the Kin would directly access using your mobile phone's data connection, to synchronise all the data from your phone to. When Microsoft shut it down in January, any access from the phone went with it.

You're welcome to try to mimic the studio, though. You need to redirect any traffic from your phone to *.kin.com to do so.
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
No. it used 3g connection, not a common ethernet/wifi port.

the only opened ports are for network issues, and noooooot feasible to be used for exploit (aka port 137 netbios).
[KIN Two Software Development] klamation:
Umm, no. There is no Kin studio software for a computer. You have the Zune software which lets you sync your music, and the Kin studio was a website your phone communicated with.
[KIN Two Software Development] klamation:
By "we", are you volunteering to do it? You are welcome to try, and let us know how it goes. :)
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
God, stop thinking in crappy access to pony world.

Kin studio was OTA. Kin studio is gone. Kin studio has no purpose now. Kin studio has no connection remains here.

Making a website wont give ya more than the KinWebOS project. Useful for browsing with the kin, not for hacking it.

And the other way, using the usb connection is what Kino already does, imitating the mtp protocol from zune, without caring about emitter identification.

If you want to send apps, like the XNA video i showed to make it brilliantly work, *one* has to reverse engineer the MtpZ protocol, so we can mimic the Xna transfering software.

Even if that sounds omgz-easy, that involves understanding and reversing RSA security handshakes (with certificates) between the kin and the software which

cannot

be just resent by sniffing the usb port.

Solve that, then we can talk about Kin & lollipop candy.

[EDIT]: Or getting a random activesync driver for other usb modes... who knows.
[KIN Two Software Development] dezgrz:
I've been reading your posts and you sir are pissing me off. Stop posting new threads with crazy ideas that make no sense. Do you even think when you post? Next time you have an idea read the forum if there's nothing on it test it and when you fail you'll realize there's no point in posting another topic and flooding up this forum with useless ****. Excuse my language.
[KIN Two Software Development] ishbar:
speaking of random active sync driver have you had any luck with the sharp driver i sent?
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
i thought reading the rules was planned to be read before posting.

anyway, mostly dezgrz resumed all pretty well, even if we seem a little like ranting.
[KIN Two Software Development] ishbar:
whoaaa sayyy what??? where did find the driver? and what usb mode are you on?
[KIN Two Software Development] zero2duo:
I recall when connecting my Kin phone into my desktop (didn't have Zune or KinO on there at the time), Windows 7 was trying to find drivers for the phone, and I recall only see two drivers:

C:\Windows\system32\drivers\WinUSB.sys

C:\Windows\system32\drivers\wudfrd.sys

I don't recall seeing "Windows Phone 7: KIN TWOm" like in the pic from WEM97.

WEM97, do you currently have Zune installed? From the pic, there's Zune in those drivers names. If you don't, like ishbar asked, where did you get those extra drivers?

Hopefully this is a helpful discovery, but I'll let the pros answer that.
[KIN Two Software Development] klamation:
Hehe, WEM97, you almost had us going there. The name of the phone, "Windows Phone 7: KIN TWOm" is simply the name you called the phone, like my own, which I called "Kyle's TWOm". The other drivers are the same ones I have on my computer. :p
[KIN Two Software Development] ishbar:
bahaha had me fooled lol if they are just the zune drivers then they only axcess the mtp part and do the same thing as kino did... however when i was playing around with wmdc my phone suddenly showed up as a sharp device

https-//www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2177799973575&set=o.212064352155651&type=1&theater

if someone wants to play with this my compy is in the shop and im using a old xp
[KIN Two Software Development] klamation:
I don't understand what instructions you mean, or what codes you are talking about. Are you simply explaining how to look at the phone under the Windows Device Manager? Or are you trying to show off something more?
[KIN Two Software Development] kintwofan:
ishbar how did you get wmdc to recognize the kin. Like, what drivers/usb mode/ etc. were you using? any settings changed?
[KIN Two Software Development] ishbar:
it doesnt appear in windows mobile center it only appears in device manger sorry for the confusion.. i did the compy so show it in windows explore by changing the driver to standered mtp enabled device... but it just shows the music
[KIN Two Software Development] klamation:
Sorry man, I don't understand what you're trying to claim here. If you have information to post, please do so, and be thorough. I'm sure that many people here, including myself, have already gone through the driver files that support the Kin. What are you saying we need to look at?
[KIN Two Software Development] klamation:
Yes, I understand how to pull up the properties for the device and look at all the details. I'm sure that many more people than myself have already looked here. What I'm trying to understand is what are you trying to point out? Was there something in the properties for the phone that you're saying we've missed? Some hidden information that will allow us to attain greatness?
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
Gonna be rude here, but it must stop sometime.

@WEM97 You are posting

non-useful

device information.

Everything posted 10 post above is information that you can browse without drivers as is provided by the hardware comunication. That information, even if you are a coder, is probably ever gonna used if not targetting a specific driver making (not the intention)

The only useful info (if so) is what was shown about detected device, and yet using Zune driver, which is MTP with zune software ampliated functionality for zune/kin devices. And we knew that.
[KIN Two Software Development] SBH57:
Kin TwoM downloadable Apps???

Ok...before someone goes ballistic, read on. I have been following your threads and am very happy someone else is trying to figure out how to add games and Apps to the Kin TwoM. During a search on Google I found a url that specifically states that the Verizon version DOES have the ability to download games. It also states that you can use Microsoft Office programs. If this is the case, how do you do it? I can't download anything to my phone except music and video via the Zune software on my computer. Is this article a bunch of crap or is there really some way to download Apps. BTW: the article is dated July 1, 2011 so it's very recent.

I would post the url but this website won't allow new users to do so. If you want the link I suppose you can contact me via my e-mail in my profile.

Thanks guys.
[KIN Two Software Development] Marcellus1:
I've seen the websites that say that. Sorry to say, but they are wrong. I'm not sure where they came up with that information, but it wasn't from Verizon or Microsoft. I did a quick search and found this website that posted what you are saying on July 1, 2011:

http://www.desktophelpline.com/gadg...wom-specification-features-reviews-and-price/

You will note that it also says the phone does MP3 ringtones, predictive text, GPS, Geo-tagging, face and smile detection, image stabilization, something called PhotoCall, and includes stereo speakers. As none of these features are in the phone, I doubt the credulity of the source regarding game downloads and MS Office programs.
[KIN Two Software Development] SBH57:
Misinformation

Thanks Marcellus; that was the exact url I was looking at. Before I purchased my Kin TwoM I researched it and found the same information; which is what really led me to get this phone. I could have music, video and Apps without purchasing an expensive data plan. Guess it amounts to false advertising. I do love the phone however. I use my Sennheiser ear buds for great sound. And for a small screen I get fantastic video. It is just very disappointing that I can't get the Apps that were advertised online. I work in electronics but not computer software/firmware stuff. To me that is a black box. So other than that, I am totally willing to help out with the things you guys are working on in order to get Apps on the Kin phone.

Thanks for all your help. :)
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
Mmm and it was right. The kin has GPS and in original version (Kin Two), the images you took were/could be geotagged.

Also, Bing was both available as web search engine and locations around you. So i imagine (just imagining) that if the phone gets a bit more open, the gps could be accesed and used, as hardware is still the same.
[KIN Two Software Development] gerrypw:
Flexcable

Has anybody done a search on "flexserial kin"? I was hoping to get John's opinion since he does appear to be the authority on the kin. There is also a serialflash cable. Don't if it is a rip-off but I wouldn't know what to do with it if I had it.
[KIN Two Software Development] mscoolnerd:
just theorizing here, but johnkussack mentioned towards the beginning of the thread that a browser hack might be possible but we would need something to call in the memory. I'm not totally sure, but maybe loading and calling an executable from the music section? Just an idea....
[KIN Two Software Development] kintwofan:
on the same note as the flexserial... do a google search for serial flash kin two. it claims to give direct acess to memory for modding hacking customizing. sounds to good to be true, but maybe.
[KIN Two Software Development] awesome71717:
I didn't find anything with that search....

I can't tell the difference between this site and 4chan sometimes....

Anyway, I'm back to help. I'll be catching up on the kin a bit, but I believe it's still at a stand-still.
[KIN Two Software Development] kintwofan:
search for serialflash kin two. sorry there is no space between serial and flash.
[KIN Two Software Development] gerrypw:
No, no

Search google "flexserial kin". I would post the site but I can't being a new user here. bestcelldist. com is the site.
[KIN Two Software Development] nichostetler:
OK, I visited the site and this is very interesting because of the "Benefits" sections but it seems to me it would do nothing more than a data cable..hmm..

Benefits

* Indispensable for flashing/reprogramming by refurbishing centers (software not included)

* Great for DIY projects ("peek and poke", data manipulation, modem applications, etc.)

* Software not included but not needed in most cases, since the computer BIOS almost always takes care of serial ports communication

* Hardware handshaking feature not available on all models (please contact us for details)

* The price for this true flashing serial cable is just $69.85 (quantity discount available)
[KIN Two Software Development] kintwofan:
I just found something kind of interesting, but not sure if it can help yet. Checkout www.animetheme.com/animetheme.html

when it asks to view it in the anime theme click ok. Some how it modifies the browser toolbar and adds a forward button where the refresh currently is. That in itself probably wont help, but it shows the browser can be modified thru a webpage which coukd have a use. I mean John keeps saying he thinks the browser is the weak point we need to attack. Let me know what you think.
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
That sentence means "it does this on the kin" or "it does it in my normal browser"?

There is a huge difference, so i wanna clarify that point.

If on the kin, whohoo

else,... nah.
[KIN Two Software Development] kintwofan:
Sorry, i guess I should have clarified. It adds the forward button on the KIN.
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
Just checked here at home.

congrats you probably found an unexpected IE bug when loading the site (cause of the automation error).

It doesnt happens always (sometimes reloading doesnt make it), but its so fun(ny) hahaha.

Gonna do it at localhost using that html, as some fail can be taken over and maybe add not forward but other button, so cheking if it isnt just the "image".
[KIN Two Software Development] kintwofan:
I hope it is able to help us in some way.
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
Just rechecked, with proper coding here.

Nothing new, unfortunately. It was caused by the call-to-mailer, so when you come back it has that icon.

You can check it with any:

<a href="mailto:rofl@rofling.com">LAME MAILING</a>

Unless doing a long mail address, it seems still a closed way.
[KIN Two Software Development] klamation:
You're welcome to try it. From what I remember, other people have tried as well (even going as far as formatting/erasing all the contents of the bitpim area). We had no way of telling what those files were used for, but it seems they did not effect the Kin when they were altered or changed.
[KIN Two Software Development] kintwouser:
I have added .exe files and the like to that area of the kin. Yes they stay there and yes you can extract them from the kin at a later point in time but all it proves is that there is an accessible storage area.
[KIN Two Software Development] gerrypw:
Specifics please

I think it would be more productive if you(plural) spoke more specifically about what files(name.type), where they are located(in memory addresses or registers), and where to put them. It all appears too vague. It could point people in the right direction. If you have this info please share it with this forum.
[KIN Two Software Development] SchwassKIN:
My first Idea

I know this seems like we are all just doing off the wall ideas, But....

I have read this entire forum on the Kin TWO. This is my first post and my first idea is this.

What if we made a web page that was able to run local applications. Then we could put some executables on the kin and run them from a web page on a server.

My first attempt is something like this:

<html>

<head>

<title>Application Executer</title>

<HTA:APPLICATION ID="oMyApp"

APPLICATIONNAME="Application Executer"

BORDER="no"

CAPTION="no"

SHOWINTASKBAR="yes"

SINGLEINSTANCE="yes"

SYSMENU="yes"

SCROLL="no"

WINDOWSTATE="normal">

<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript">

function RunFile() {

WshShell = new ActiveXObject("WScript.Shell");

WshShell.Run("c:/windows/system32/Program.exe", 1, false);

}

</script>

</head>

<body>

<input type="button" value="Run Program" onclick="RunFile();"/>

</body>

</html>

#####

This runs in my browser and where "Program.exe" is I used notepad.exe, to launch notepad. Just an Idea I have yet to test it on my phone but will once I get home from work.

UPDATE:

So i tried this last night. I put the page on my web server, but I dont think I got it correct. It seems that the program might be attempting to run from the server side. I'm not sure, hopefully someone a little more java savy can take a look for me.

First attempt FAIL.
[KIN Two Software Development] SchwassKIN:
Is it over?

Is the search for a Root over?

Have we given up?

This forum was wild fire up until the last few days. Has anyone found anything new?
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
Marked part is what fails on the kin.

Several attempts were maid the first time i got

change to:

try {
WshShell = new [B][U][SIZE="4"]ActiveXObject("WScript.Shell");[/SIZE][/U][/B]
WshShell.Run("c:/windows/system32/Program.exe", 1, false);
}
catch (error) {
alert(error.message);
}

Then it will show the error on a popup.

Also, by all means, stop calling it Java. Javascript is not Java, is a different language and more like a subset of java power.

Yeah, it was hard to find just 1 page before huh?.... "just found"...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15793336&postcount=139
[KIN Two Software Development] SchwassKIN:
None

Oh, of course, my bad. John I appreciate you looking at this for me. Its awsome that you got some sort of response from the KIN. I'll mess with it some more in the upcoming few days.

To WEM97 Dude you've been gettin slammed this whole forum. lol

Read before you post!
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
My pleasure. Btw, i put an extra line copypasting from my other javascript thread. Now fixed above. (else you would get an DOM error).

At least read the new ones. Not so hard if on same thread... and we post at 3 post max per day, isnt hard to check hem (even with kin crappy wifi).
[KIN Two Software Development] SchwassKIN:
Hmmm...

@John

The following is the code I tried after I read your post.

<html>

<head>

<title>Application Executer</title>

<HTA:APPLICATION ID="oMyApp"

APPLICATIONNAME="Application Executer"

BORDER="no"

CAPTION="no"

SHOWINTASKBAR="yes"

SINGLEINSTANCE="yes"

SYSMENU="yes"

SCROLL="no"

WINDOWSTATE="normal">

<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript">

try {

WshShell = new ActiveXObject("WScript.Shell");

WshShell.Run("c:/windows/system32/notepad.exe", 1, false);

}

catch (error) {

alert(error.message);

}

</script>

</head>

<body>

<input type="button" value="Run Program" onclick="RunFile();"/>

</body>

</html>

####

When I open this in the PC browser it skips the button and runs notepad, but it does absolutely nothing for me on the phone. Am I getting something wrong. I know I may seem like a newb ( and I might be lol) im just trying to keep the hope of cracking this phone alive. Thanks in advance.
[KIN Two Software Development] soninja8:
Wait, what do you mean? I know you can highlight, but i never new you could copy and paste....can you explain more?
[KIN Two Software Development] soninja8:
when i hold it down it just does a sort of zoom in so you can move the word area
[KIN Two Software Development] gerrypw:
What?!?

You mean page 14 of owners manual:

"Touch and hold

Touch your finger to the screen and leave it there until the next action is

triggered. For example, touch and hold a text box to magnify it for positioning

the cursor."

Or is this something new? Let us know cuz u might b on to something new like reading the manual too.

I guess it's best that we leave "no stone unturned" because the obvious could be the solution but not in this case.
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
my though: a reminiscence from the Spot.

in my old Kin Two you could do drag and drop of stuff almost everywhere, so part of the code might be just... "refurbished" but not deleted.

Good anyway,not "seen". Although i didnt read the manual....
[KIN Two Software Development] SchwassKIN:
Reverted Ut OH!

So I did the r+b+power button thing to revert to the old software. I wanted to see what I could figure out with it. The problem I am having now is I cant seem to get my contacts to import. Im using a file that worked flawlessly on the Twom, but now that its back to the original software it wont import the contacts. I get the improperly formated xml error.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, I have just took one for the team.

P.S. There doesnt seem to be an export contacts button anymore, just import.
[KIN Two Software Development] gerrypw:
But it is...kintwo_m.pdf page 14

Wrong thread. Should be in "Little non-useful tips/hacks"
[KIN Two Software Development] gerrypw:
Revert back

You can always revert back to twoM. Might be able to put contacts back instead of taking one for the team.
[KIN Two Software Development] SchwassKIN:
revert back?

Do you know how exactly I would do that?

My first guess would be to do the exact same procedure again, but im not sure if that really makes sense.

:::::

Ok i did it. I just redid the process for reverting to Kin2 and it took me back to TOWM thank GOD. The old software is annoying without the kin portal. This says to me that both images must be stored on the device somewhere, and that the update looks for any other version other than the one its currently running.
[KIN Two Software Development] klausef:
Oh what no you're kidding me!??!!!!!!? Post #1000 get hello,,,,,,,? Unbelievable.

Hello all,

I recently have come into the ownership of a kin one and a kin onem. I know this is the wrong forum for this model but the One's forums are kind of dead. Anyway I've been following these threads for a couple weeks and have been able to reproduce everything on these two phones. If yall still don't want me posting here then please don't hesitate to pop me a note and I'll catch the clue.

Interestingly, my One has no 'USB Vid Stream' option in the USB mode settings menu but my OneM does.

NBD, just FWIW. I'd be happy to do some experimenting on my One.

Also, post #1000 get
[KIN Two Software Development] rayzeur22:
Instead of using the browser...

maybe we need to take the route of injecting code into the KIN through software on a computer and tethering the phone using USB. Seems to work for jailbreaking on iOS devices, and since there will surely be no more firmware updates to the phone, we wouldn't need to worry about finding new exploits and having holes patched by microsoft/verizon.

also, has anyone tried to get a UNIX terminal to open up the KIN in Mac OS/Linux using SSH, or any other methods?

If we can get the KIN to allow SSH we may be able to see the whole root system and insert/modify files of the internal system and OS.
[KIN Two Software Development] rwcrwc:
Keep Plugging Away...

Don't give up guys...success is just around the corner!
[KIN Two Software Development] johnkussack:
Hehehehe.... who you think you'r with? hehehehe. Of course i tested networking ssh with my linuxes box.

Kin only has port 139 UDP open, used for Netbios stuff. Scan done
[KIN Two Software Development] gsearle:
They're basically the same phone with the same firmware and capabilities. You're welcome to chip in to the discussion.
[KIN Two Software Development] SchwassKIN:
SDK

Has anyone tried the tools available for Windows Phone 7?

I could be way off base if this is just for app development.

I was wondering if installing these tools might give us access to the KIN.

http-//www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=26648

(change - to : )

I would be willing to try so let me know if this has been done plz.

THNX

####

I tried this crap last night and it seems like a big bloated windows application. There might be some good in it but im not gunna waist time on it.
[KIN Two Software Development] delivery_dragon:
I tried the Windows 7 phone sync app that Apple just released from the app store with no Success (yet) i'm interested to look closer into the program and the drivers they use, as it claims to be Windows Phone AND Zune HD compatible.

BTW the link is on the FB page