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[Off-topic] MRsf27:
why isn't this thread just called "american football thread"
[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
hey man its football season time to roll! no other sports matter now they are just fillers ;)
[Off-topic] MRsf27:
:rolleyes: <---- this explains what I did when i read your comment.

but you're totally right! FOOTBALL is truly the only sport that matters right now :victory:
[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
lol you are right FOOTBALL not soccer :p
[Off-topic] MRsf27:
we both have different interpretations on what FOOTBALL is lol
[Off-topic] StormMcCloud:
This is a football.

This is a soccer ball.
[Off-topic] roofrider:
Lol the first one is not even a ball :D

sometimes ovoid.
[Off-topic] Bigbossemblem:
I like tennis

Do ya'll? It's my favourite sport :) off course I'm a great fan of Roger Federer, I think he is the G.O.A.T. (Greatest Of All Times), but i like also many others. Do you like tennis? Do you like PLAYING it? I'm really addicted, PM me if you want to talk about it!
[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
yes we do sir ;)

thank you! im outa thanks :laugh:

ummmm yes it is :silly: :laugh:

i do like tennis im a fed fan myself. i use to play alot but havent played in years
[Off-topic] MRsf27:
Im not getting into this garbage argument of what a ball is again lol... Let's just put it this way; FOOTBALL as in "soccer" was around waaaaaay before what you americans call football ;) first come, first claim:p conversation has ended

.!
[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
but but football (nfl) is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better :p ok ill stop :laugh:
[Off-topic] MRsf27:
Lmao, proud bastard :D
[Off-topic] DarkJatrix:
Titans baby
[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
Storm where you at dem canes got hammered today! :p LSU tonight lets do this tigers and tomorrow WHO DAT BABY SAINTS GONA CRUSH DEM SKINS :cool:

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[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
Gona get rolled in death valley this year :p

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[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
Ulm just down the road from me beat #8 arkansas today damn that must suck!

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[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
Omg the saints have played horrid today looks like we r in for a long season :mad: atl kicked some a$$ good job

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[Off-topic] jpitch2415:
Dear 8lb 6oz baby jesus please let the texans play like this all season
[Off-topic] slapshot30:
Lol @ this officiating
[Off-topic] zounduser:
Seattle better get the "W" today!!! :D:thumbup:

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[Off-topic] flyers2114:
RAIDERS!

Sent from my CM10 Euroskank powered S3!
[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
refs are the worst ive ever seen
[Off-topic] galaxys:
It's a nail biter at the US Open tennis women final and now in the 3rd set...
[Off-topic] zounduser:
Well seattle blew it!!!! Dammmnnnn itttt!!! Oh well first game of the reg season. We good. :D

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[Off-topic] omario8484:
i hate the 49ers ! Im a raiders fan but watching some of these games so far going to be a long year withthese refs
[Off-topic] MissionImprobable:
Nawlins, Y U No take it to the Deadskins? For shame?
[Off-topic] rovar:
NINERS
[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
Blew it with an extra timeout the sucky refs gave yall 2

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[Off-topic] omario8484:
Suck... Alex smith is a joke ...only game they'll win this season
[Off-topic] fleurdelisxliv:
We played like sh!t thats why lol

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[Off-topic] Somcom3X:
The lions have potential if they could work together
[Off-topic] Obnoxious87:
San Diego Chargers! Gonna smash on the raiders tomorrow.

These "replacement" officials suck.
[Off-topic] slapshot30:
Suuuuuhhhh. I'm from Nebraska so I've gotta pull for the former Husker. Manning looking pretty good tonight though.
[Off-topic] zounduser:
Nah, we had an injured player, so the one called then wasn charged to us. So the refs did get that call right.

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[Off-topic] o0BlacknesS0o:
OK SINCE APPARENTLY YOU HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY TALK ABOUT SPORTS HERE AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A THREAD THAT IS SPORT SPECIFIC ANYWHERE ELSE ON XDA...

AFTER WEEK ONE THERE WERE DEFINITELY QUITE A FEW SURPRISES IN THE NFL AND QUITE A FEW SURPRISE PERFORMANCES

WHAT ARE YOUR GUYS SUPERBOWL PREDICTIONS AS OF RIGHT NOW?

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[Off-topic] orangekid:
Can you please stop yelling at us?

Here's the recap from week 1:

Dallas and Giants do what they do, Dallas looks good in regular season but won't win a playoff game and Giants look horrible but get it together in the playoffs.

RG3 is awesome.

49ers were totally underrated.

Peyton Manning is still awesome.

Wheedon just raised the bar for how horrible a game a QB can ever hope to have, and the browns still almost beat the Eagles.

Texans played a pretty bad game and still won by 20 points; JJ Watt is a freak.

Patriots are still great.
[General Questions and Answers] eberto:
[Q] what´s the best money manager free and pay app for android 1.5 (im still stocked) ???
[General Questions and Answers] liviurad:
i don't have much experience with money tracking applications, but I am also looking for a good one, free or paid. Now I am playing with 'daily money'.

so, up, anybody else can give us some feedback on such apps?
[General Questions and Answers] rashidi_zin:
Just to be sure, you are talking about keeping track of your spending, yeah?

I have been using Expensify. It allows you to manage your spending via web or your Android app.

For their Android app, you only able to enter your spending. While their web app allows you to manage them and view your spending in form of graphs.
[General Questions and Answers] sweetbinodray:
honestly speaking i do not have that much of money so that i need money manger to maintain it.
[General Questions and Answers] gk1984:
I've been liking Pageonce. syncs with bank account and your bills due to keep track of your spending and when to pay what. Has push notifications too to remind you, but those haven't worked quite as well as I'd like so far.
[General Questions and Answers] claus1953:
For me without any doubt Easy Money
[General Questions and Answers] Shandelzare:
i m using expense manager its a free app for my droid. its very simple
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
I was wondering in Gingerbread 2.3.2, is it possible to change the lock screen wallpaper to make it different to your background wallpaper? Is there any way of doing it with out using a third party app?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] grigore46:
TBH i somehow turned the lockscreen off and now i can't trun it back on.. So i don't have a lock screen anymore.

And for your problem there is a widget that does that i think but it ain't free. it's called widget locker or something like this. :P
[Desire HD General] umiss:
First off, I'm not a hater.

I'm a previous HD2 user and in no way an apple fanboy.

However, I cannot fail to notice how increadibly bad our touch experience is with our dhd's. For instance, when you move your finger sideways, you'll notice how choppy it is.

Also, for example when playing Gun Bros, you'll notice that you won't be able to aim properly. Also there, it is choppy. Instead of giving all 360° you'll find segments where it just jumps over, if you understand what I mean.

I tried playing it on my friends iPhone 4, and it worked perfectly there. Very accurate.

I guess I just wanted to write my anger off and see if anyone agrees with me that HTC could have done a better job on the touch. I suppose samsung has a better touch with their 60 hz (or is it 69 hz) digitizer?
[Desire HD General] mikecoffee:
I have no issues at all with digitizer, what would say is that gun bros is still in beta stage.

I play plenty of games and not once come across any issues.
[Desire HD General] ErOR22:
Yeah I've noticed that too when I was drawing stuff on it, when moving finger diagonally in a straight line it creates like a wavy line. Pretty disappointing but oh well, you can never have a perfect device...

I'm still happy I bought it though, much better then my last phone.

EDIT: Here's a pic, I tried my best to make straight lines as slowly as possible.
[Desire HD General] Joey93:
I find the touch screen perfect with no glitches or jumps in any game or app

Could be the game or could be an issue with your rom and the game

Do you have it overclocked and without general bugs? Those could be causing it

Or a power hungry app in the background making the game seem to jump

Another thought is a screen protector, when I put mine on it seemed to be alot less responsive
[Desire HD General] umiss:
It's definately not an issue with the game, as I see this everywhere. It is a matter of the digitizer.

Also I am running it stock right now.

To those that say their screen is working perfectly, try flipping through the home screens very slowly from left to right or the other way around, with your finger on the screen all the time, and let me know if it follows the finger perfectly or if it's a bit choppy, as compared to when you go up and down in the app drawer for instance. You'll see about 9-10 "chops". This, I've reproduced on 3 different DHDs.
[Desire HD General] gagi´d hype:
i'm using a -android Revolution HD and have no problems with the screen, i was trying to do dose things with finger and the window is yust there where i first put my finger on, so i don't see the problem here.

One of the kolegs have a iphone4 and we didn't notice a diference when using mine or his phone...

sorry for bad einglish:o
[Desire HD General] panyan:
yeah, one of my friends has an iphone 4 and doesnt notice the difference

we excuse your bad "einglish" :p :p :p
[Desire HD General] umiss:
That is exactly what im talking about. Vertically it works fine but horizontally it is choppy big time! hence you cannot get a straight diagonal.
[Desire HD General] mjt:
Agree completely. Very poor from HTC. Again.

I'll probably be shot down in flames by the HTC apologists around here...
[Desire HD General] umiss:
There no reason to get flamed, we're merely stating the truth.

Surely, the dhd is a great device, but we shouldn't ignore the fact that even HD2 was smoother horizontally. The fact that a high end device cannot draw diagonals across the screen is simply crazy, seeing as it was possible with previous devices, and I cannot help to feel a bit ripped off from htc.

But before concluding too much, is there anyone that actually cannot reproduce this problem? If so, please post a picture where you can draw a diagonal (of course by moving your finger in a slow enough motion)
[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
No problems with the touch screen here, I do a lot of gaming and never run into a single issue.
[Desire HD General] umiss:
Please, as I said, try to reproduce drawing a diagonal before you say you don't have any problem. Or you'll just be spamming this thread.
[Desire HD General] junta_mpb:
I tried to do this with a drawing app and I can make "straight" diagonal lines when using a swipe action. I can also recreate the sample posted by drawing the line slowly.

What this means for the digitizer, I will leave for others to pursue.

Cheers from my DHD.
[Desire HD General] ErOR22:
Yep, when drawing diagonally in a fast sweep motion the line is drawn correctly and when drawing slowly it becomes wavy.

I'm also interested if there's anyone not having this issue.
[Desire HD General] sub7even:
for me, fast would be straight and slow would be wavy...
[Desire HD General] LordManhattan:
It could be bad software. I read the LauncherPro thread here on XDA, and people are experiencing this choppy behavior on their Nexus S' and so on using LP.

Bad Sense coding? Might be. Can people with custom ROMs post their results?

Sent from the future.

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[Desire HD General] ErOR22:
I took that picture on LeeDroid 1.5.1 but that being said, it was the same result when I was on stock as I tested it out before.

I wonder if it's the same with a CM7 Gingerbread ROM.
[Desire HD General] umiss:
Id say that when moving fast you exceed the 50 hz limit and not all the "reading points" are used.

But it might be software related, could anyone with CM7 try to reproduce this?
[Desire HD General] jkoljo:
It is all about software, the digitizer itself is great. I have a touchscreen pen, and I can draw bullet straight lines with it, no matter how fast or slow.

Then when I put my thumb on the screen and draw, the result is wavy. Our devices just need better handling for large touch areas.
[Desire HD General] dazultra2000:
Hmm! He's right you know. If I press VERY lightly (so only the very tip of my finger is on the screen) I get a pretty straight diagonal - but if I press down with the pad of my thumb, it's got the steps in it.

Seems like it's having issues determining which point is actually the centre of the capacitance.
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
There was a comparison a while ago before the launch of the DHD and HTC devices were second to the iPhone when it comes to touch accuracy. The test was done using a machine to draw across the screen, so the human factor was eliminated. I'm not a heavy gamer but the only inaccuracy I've experienced was when drawing (something I think noone does on a daily basis) and when slowly changing home screens in Sense (just to see if there is the reported jumpiness - again not something that is done on a daily basis).
[Desire HD General] dazultra2000:
The one game where I have noticed how annoying it is, is in the game "Slice-it!"

You have to draw a line using multitouch to intersect a shape to cut it into a number of equally sized pieces. The accuracy in getting the line where you want it is a real struggle as it jumps around so much, and then when you let go it ends up slightly away from where you were anyway.
[Desire HD General] mdalacu:
You are right! If you press light on screen the the line is straight!
[Desire HD General] umiss:
Nonetheless, it is still a flaw, some might find it more irritating than others but in my opinion it is a step back compared to before.
[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
I'm not spamming, simply sharing my experience. I've really never seen this as an issue. Yes I do get the wavy line and its been discussed before. However in real life situations its fine and no problems.
[Desire HD General] umiss:
I understand but what I intended with this thread was to investigate the wavy-issue rather than peoples subjective impression about it.

You might not see this as an issue but for me it's a big deal actually. I'm sure you understand. :)
[Desire HD General] smog:
Please try to make the exact same test trying to draw the line while landscape, I have no issues at all but I guess you will have same result even exchanging the axis.

EDIT:

Tried to reproduce it. I was right it's not the screen, it's your finger :) (kidding) . Screen is capacitive, doesn't matter if you press in one point exactly but is affected by proximity also, hence the shape of your finger can affect the position detected. I am almost sure it's a software issue.
[Desire HD General] crypt.1nj3ct:
I agreed this. I own 2nd and 4th gen iPod Touches, and difference is noticeable. Btw I cannot play Modern Combat 2: Black Pegasus with this, because controls are weird(my approx 700 matches with iPods may also affect this) :D

I recommend to try this game! Found it in gameloft site...

Sent from my HDHD using

Android Revolution HD 2.0.10 ROM

and

Revolution DHD theme with Rosie on Steroids.. :)
[Desire HD General] smogdragon:
Gave a look into android kernel sources. I checked the Buzz srcs but I feel comfortable with the assumption that the touch screen drivers are the same as in the orginal HTC sources.

It seems to me that the driver used for our device is the elan 8232 (hope someone can confirm) and I can see at least one big error in it. At somepoint in the code an initialization function (ekt8232_ts_init) is trying to send the command :

0x54 0x43 0x00 0x01

According to a datasheet from elan (not just the same panel but similiar) this command sets the touch sensitivity to 0 (don't know why it should work, but this is the intention of the developer for sure)

The problem is that there is a HUGE cut/paste error in the code:

cmd[0] = 0x54; <- This means WRITE SOMETHING IN THE REGISTERS

cmd[0] = 0x43; <- This picks the register for sensitivity

cmd[0] = 0x00; <- This and next sets sensitivity value to 0

cmd[0] = 0x01; <- Last bit MUST be 1 according to protocol

This array is sent to the panel but indexes in the array are obviously WRONG (should be progressive, not all at 0).

Furthermore I can see that the driver makes some calculation on the finger width in function "ekt8232_report_data" and applies it only to the Y coordinate (doesn't this remind of the discussed issue ??)

Hope some dev more skilled in android kernel than me give a look at this post, I think it's relevant.
[Desire HD General] guinoak:
Wavy behavior in HTC Desire HD digitizer

Hi all,

Well, I just found this thread when I was about to post on this issue.

I can reproduce very clearly this bug (big and nice bug). I noticed it while scrolling on websites, where I felt the browser was kind of "jumping" text lines. First I though it was a "feature", until I realized the jumps where not in sync with the lines...

So I did some more tests trying to understand this wavy behavior. First on parallel lines and after with lines at changing angle with respect of the frame. I tried to be systematic, drawing straight lines slowly. I captured the measured trace trough Draw! (free on market). I post the results.

Kind regards,

/Al
[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
I do understand there is an issue. Where do you notice it most in real situations?
[Desire HD General] umiss:
Nice investigation. I also hope someone kind take a look at this. If no one checks this thread, maybe one can join the IRC-channel that the devs usually hang out in and try to recruit one of them.

Thank you for illustrating the problem in a nice way!

I usually notice it everytime I do some scrolling, and while it's not a real problem I just feel a bit irritated about it (probably due to the following), it becomes a real problem when playing games such as Gun Bros.

Almost half the time I can't aim properly (while aiming along the x-axis), and I keep missing the targets and so I keep dying all the time >_< :P
[Desire HD General] Overloaded:
I shot a video a while back about this issue,

check it out here ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj5z08CC5AQ
[Desire HD General] chaps:
I noticed this issue when I first got my DHD;

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=818201

and i notice it every day I use it. The post by smogdragon was very informative. Thanks.
[Desire HD General] guinoak:
Sorry I did not see your post, any idea if it's happening because of the hardware or software issue? If smogdragon is right we could approach a fix for this
[Desire HD General] salarkhel:
no problem,.,,,used sketchbook mobile.....problems may be due to screen protectors.....
[Desire HD General] Joey93:
On home page it jitters, but if you turn it on it's side it works smoothly (using launcher pro) so I believe it's a software not hardware issue

Edit. That didn't make much sense, I meant in the app drawer going vertical when it's on it's side, horizontal on homepage when it's portrait
[Desire HD General] derpious:
I also have this problem when playing Gun Bros but nothing else, so I would say this is a Gun Bros problem.

Try another game using simular controls, for exampel Galataxi, there is a free demo of this game in the market. It works great imo.
[Desire HD General] rulezzzor:
lol i have same problem if i am slow line is no GOOD !
[Desire HD General] umiss:
What I meant was that for me it becomes an irritating problem which I notice only when playing gun bros, but I do of course notice it everywhere else also, as I mentioned.

What I want to say is, the problem remains even outside Gun Bros, but it's only (for now) while playing Gun Bros that I actually want to throw the phone out of the window.

---------

Maybe I should just write a mail to HTC also, I doubt they will be doing anything soon though.

It would be great if this issue could be fixed by some of our skilled devs here though.
[Desire HD General] Korntoff:
*Bump for interest*

Could calibration solve this issue at all?
[Desire HD General] Defectus:
If you tilt the phone slightly you can see a matrix of digitizer dots on the screen. Mine have about 1,5 mm spacing.

And I've checked the same thing on my friends dhd and noticed that there where half as much dots. (maybe 3 mm spacing)

His screen feels much more choppier than mine.

Obviously there must be different digitizers in the DHD.

Has anyone noticed this?
[Desire HD General] dazultra2000:
Are you sure it was a DHD?

Mine are spaced about 1.5mm apart, but they don't go to the edges of the screen...

I'd be a bit worried if they were using a different digitizer on some phones!
[Desire HD General] ErOR22:
I've seen these dots before but now that you guys mentioned it, mine seem to be like a good 5mm apart and they go to the edge of the screen.

This is sure interesting.
[Desire HD General] Flussen:
Just cheked mine. I've about 1.5mm space between the dots and no dots at the edges. But the phone reacts to my finger if i tap it on places with no dots.

Maybe it has something to do with the two different display types in the DHD? Would be nice if some people with ENG HBOOT check this ;)

P.s.: i have a sharp display

Edit: it just remembered that i've read something about the display types a few months ago. Someone reported that his dots were quite big, about 1mm or even bigger. Mine are not even 0.5mm. So please report the dot size too ;)
[Desire HD General] jkoljo:
Yep, same here: 1 - 1.5 mm space between dots, SHARP display. Dots are very small, maybe 0.1 mm x 0.1 mm.
[Desire HD General] ErOR22:
Dots are extremely small, maybe 0.5mm x 0.5mm which are spaced apart by about 5mm.

LCD-SHARP

TOUCH PANEL-SYN3KT_0108
[Desire HD General] Flussen:
Oh forgot to add my touchpanel...

SYN3KW_020B

Also with wavy lines :(
[Desire HD General] guinoak:
DHD wavy touchpad

I got around 5mm spacing between dots,

Also,

It looks I have a Synaptics_3K_0x108, from

/sys/android_touch/vendor

Strong waves, as I've shown in my previous post

/Al
[Desire HD General] guinoak:
posts about this issue

By the way,

I have seen three posts on this issue, all on them on our xda forums:

1.- This post

2.- In Q/A

3.- In General

In this thread from October 2010, hints to three images for the touchpad, so four possible touchpanels in our DHD.

1.- tp_ACE_SYN3KT0108.img,

2.- tp_ACE_SYN3KW020B,

3.- tp_atmel224_20aa.img and

4.- tp_atmelc12_20aa.img

I have been looking to the pdf linked in that thread with no luck, the closest manuals I see are in

here.

/al
[Desire HD General] dazultra2000:
Not sure if this is gonna end up going anywhere...but maybe it's worth people stating what they have i.e.

Panel: SYN3KW_020b

Do dots reach to edges of screen?: No, ~6mm gap all round except at bottom of screen

Distance between dots: ~1.5mm

Diameter of dots: ~0.2mm (ish?)

Wavy diagonals: Yes

Though so far I'm not convinced that anyone doesn't have this issue, so this may be an exercise in futility.
[Desire HD General] Tombias:
I did reproduced this but....

If you don't push your fingers too hard on the screen you'll get straigth lines.

It's the push-surface of your fingertip .

People with thick fingers will have a problem.
[Desire HD General] XBOCT:
I can't confirm.

1 t2 (rt,lt) /data/home #> dmesg | grep elan

[ 5.023132] elan_ktf2k_ts_init

The source is in drivers/input/touchscreen/elan_ktf2k.c

To be absolutely sure i tried to fix indexes, rebuild the kernel and did not find any changes in diagonal lines.