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[Nexus S General] willcpfc:
My apologies Ken :) I typed in haste. It certainly seems that poor Nokia has not inspired much enthusiasm. I am pleased not to own any Nokia shares...MS wont suffer half as much IF this strategy fails.
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
exactly the same this article pointed out :D

Nokia-Microsoft Deal: Winners and Losers

here's another funny one

Nokia jumps from one burning platform to another with Windows Phone 7

and this is awesome, those are legit Loyal Nokians, i'll definitely admire that.

1000 workers walk out on Nokia after Microsoft announcement
[Nexus S General] willcpfc:
Nice links allgamer :D I think this story will be interesting in a car crash sort of way!
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
No problem, I'm used to being called Kevin hehe and I'm pretty sad about the choice nokia made but its their own death warrant they've signed.
[Nexus S General] jivemaster:
Talk about a delayed reaction on nokia's part. They should have realised and accepted that symbian was over years ago.

This deal is great for microsoft though. They get one of the most popular handset makers around, but they are jumping in on the worst os. Hopefully it's worth it.
[Nexus S General] morfy50:
I think Nokia might have feared getting into the Android "arms race" with the other manufacturers, because that's what it's become. One guy pulls out his s-amoled while the other throws out his dual core. And so on.

Maybe Nokia's not looking to compete like that. So they chose what could be a less challenging route. It's seems like a long shot but Nokia builds very good hardware and might just force MS to up their game.
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
If thats the truth it makes me even more sad. Nokia builds solid handsets. They work great, look great, and are pretty rock hard. Would have made for some interesting additions to the Android Landscape, not to mention the "Nexus N" would have been nice.
[Nexus S General] gogol:
WP7 is still new ... it may take a while ... With Nokia's help, WP7 could grow much faster. Nokia has reputable hardware, good distribution in almost every country. They can produce CHEAP WP7 phones (Nokia has tons of cheap phones!) and just flood the market with it.

Don't get me wrong, I am Android user and will always be. Sure, right now they won't make any dent on Android nor iOS. But in the long run, the competition might heat up.

So, I still think this strategic alliance is only good for Android. Because competition will drive more innovations!

Remember the old WM? There were practically no competition back then. And the result, it died.
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
You make a good point but remember that Nokia is far from the powerhouse they once were. They are much in the same spot as Microsoft in that they're both scrambling to win back some of the vast ground they lost through years of complacency. Perhaps ill be proven wrong and the merger will prove a great success. I just look at it as like this: platforms now live and die by their developers. WebOS is a shining example of that. It was and is a great platform but the development community never really took off and palm died as a result. Samsung, LG, and HTC all have android and their dumbphones to fall back on. Nokia doesn't. If this fails they will be pretty SOL.

Sent from my SubCyan CM7 Google Nexus S!
[Nexus S General] draugaz:
This is what actually puzzles me most.

Why on earth should WP7 be any less challenging? As it stands now, Microsoft dictate each and every single nut and bolt.

This was praised as one of the biggest advantages of WP, in contrast to the "fragmented" gaudy zoo the android platform currently is.

So as a hardware manufacturer you have almost nothing to differentiate, you just pick one of the few "chassis" provided by the Microsoft and basically design your own shell still abiding to the Microsoft requirements for buttons, their amount and placement.

Will it change? Will the Nokia be allowed to produce their own chassis, while HTC, Samsung, LG won't?

If yes, that two very bad things will happen:

1. HTC, Samsung, LG and other will feel second class citizens. And will be even less interested to play the game.

2. Microsoft will create fragmentation. In essence breaking their own promises, such as "timely OS updates directly for everyone, consistent user experience etc". Remember, this was the reason to forbid manufacturer customization and UI overlays.

If no, then Nokia will be just another hardware OEM designing different shells around the reference chassis. Exactly the reason why they opted to avoid the Android. Which would be idiotic, since they could easily go both Android and WP7. They can afford it. Except Microsoft offered them money for not doing android route.
[Nexus S General] draugaz:
Not quite. It does not add up.

Nokia phones are cheap and yet powerful for a reason. It is because they are tightly integrated and highly specialized custom pieces of hardware. Where Nokia hardware engineering truly excels.

As opposed to the general purpose designs used in the modern smartphones (one of which the WP7 is).

You just can't put the WP7 on any of the current Nokias, they are just too specialized for this. And you can't easily port such the general purpose OS (WP7) for that special solution.

I think this was one of the biggest roadblocks on the Symbian path. It was too specialized and as a consequence - too limited and expensive (=slow) to evolve.

But not without it's benefits: for example, the modern general purpose smartphone has 1500mAh battery but usually dies in roughly two to three days of just sitting in the pocket and doing nothing.

Nokia C7 has just a 1200mAh battery, but easily lives for about a week in the equal environment.

Except Microsoft now uses Nokia's patents to sue each and everyone out of this world. Very scary and sadly real scenario.
[Nexus S General] willcpfc:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltren...stnokiawindowsphone7conceptdesignphotosleaked

A taste of the future.......
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
i laughed :)
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
good luck on "beating android" LMAO :D
[Nexus S General] willcpfc:
Lol first priority should be waking up to the truth that Nokia is only a player now. Long gone are its days of virtual omnipotence :D
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
yeah seriously, engadget is filled with android news.. like EVERYDAY, especially when major mobile events are happening.

even if someone hates android, its inevitable that they will see news about android

TouchWiz 4.0 looks pretty nice, but the lack of updates isn't worth it.

Nice to see Sony embrace Android more though. Looking like another great year for Android.
[Nexus S General] NVMENOR:
Biggest enemy of android at this time is fragmentation, let’s hope that Google doesn’t beat itself.
[Nexus S General] willcpfc:
So the rationale for the deal is to make the smartphone market a 3 horse race. IPhone, android and Nokia! Oh and billions of dollars too. I actually really think Nokia bigwigs think they still matter....3 years ago perhaps they were relevant :)
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
Exactly. I was just talking to my wife about this and she didn't even know what a recent Nokia phone was. They haven't been a competitor in the US since Smartphones really became popular.
[Nexus S General] draugaz:
Very puzzling...

Seems like Elop wants to make everyone believe, that WP7 party has not begun yet and Nokia is invited as first guest (as opposed to Android). Well, one year ago @ MWC2010 it would be convincing, but now when WP7 devices are already shipping by everyone who feels like doing it...

The question of "what's in this deal for nokia?" still remains. He mentioned that Nokia will get some fraction of the Microsoft ad-selling revenue in exchange to their services (presumably navigation?).

But it is a deal with devil, since microsoft certainly can (and probably will) develop his own substitute and cut nokia of the game.
[Nexus S General] willcpfc:
Actually Nokia and MS are to be thanked by me. I had a Nokia 5800, my first touch screen, nice but unfortunately its screen scrambled when exposed to low temperatures (a common flaw I understand) so I got a HTC diamond....ok but kind of put me off windows for mobile (always annoying when it made a simple phone task a long and drawn out process). So through that personal journey I was pushed into the little green arms of android. However I am not a company CEO so I am sure Nokia know what they are doing! If nothing else they got Karl Zeiss and Xbox to beat the competition with....oh and Nokia maps or something (God I want this phone!). ;)
[Nexus S General] RogerPodacter:
Ha too funny, my Nokia 5800 screen is scrambled too when It's cold.

Anyway my nexus one is my first non Nokia symbian phone in 4 years. I was symbian nut.

Playing with windows phone I do admit its extremely slick and smooth, and a novel idea. But it needs tons of work still. Tough choice for Nokia.
[Nexus S General] IronSingh:
Who are we kidding, most of us have a sweetspot for Nokia.

I mean they were the first innovators of smart phones. Like Nokia 9000 was the first real smart phone with community developers. My hate directed toward Microsoft, I know I sound like a fanboi but I can't help it.

Right now it seems like a underdog fight. I am hoping for a good device from Nokia, but I find that it will be powered by windows unsettling.

It will be interesting at least, there may be something we don't know.

I mean these two were once Giants, maybe they will hit a spark.

I for one will probably buy the device just to see what they they did. There first device will either kill them or make them. I only see one shot so they better make it a good one.

As one earlier post said it would be easier to differentiate the product with microsoft rather than with Android.

With Android you are playing the hardware game, which is totally outsourced.

The only thing Nokia was doing was designing the Cases, and the OS.

The internals had to have been outsourced, maybe they had their own GSM modems and Antennas as they are a Communication company. This is probably what they bring to the table. Better Build Quality and better communication hardware. I don't know for sure but this is my speculation.

Source: Google "An open relationship: A good move for Nokia and Microsoft" from digitaltrends.com

This does mean we may yet see Meego or Android devices from Nokia, I just don't know how true that source is, but if you read the whole article it shows a more rosy side of the deal.

Peace.

IronSingh
[Nexus S General] gogol:
Google started with Android Honeycomb for tablet.

See all announced Android Honeycomb tablets, they all are Google Experience device. No more custom UI :)

Nice, eh?

I hope this will also for future Android for smartphone.
[Nexus S General] IronSingh:
Why would I buy a Samsung over an HTC over Chinese stuff then?

I mean if the Google Experience means what I think it means. Since most of the Hardware is outsourced anyway why buy from the established firms rather than the Chinese knockoffs.

I mean yeah you won't have warranty but it will be at least half the price with similar specs. If Android is standardized like Ubuntu or Windows for different Systems Chinese would dominate the market easily.

Peace.

IronSingh
[Nexus S General] gogol:
It's up to you. You have the choices. Same like Nokia, not all models are available in all countries.

If you are fine with cheap knockoffs then you go buy one.

But there are people will only buy from reputable companies.

And people who always choose the expensive ones. Yeah I know they exist.

The good news is that you have choices with Android :)
[Nexus S General] IronSingh:
You do realize Manufacturing costs of these devices are close to 10% of the Retail Price.

The Rest 90% is broken down into Marketing, R&D, Advertising, Salary and Profit.

The Chinese "Knock offs" Make great Devices but they suffer on the OS.

I mean the reputable companies have very little over them in terms of hardware, The chinese are making the hardware for these "Reputable Companies" anyway.

If google was to standardize the OS, I don't see any reason for me or anyone to pay the premium.

Chips cost Pennies to make, ARM only patents the design and lets the chip makers (Samsung, Texus Instruments, Qualcomm, etc) make it them selves and pay ARM royalty or whatever. I am not exactly sure how that works out.

Peace.

IronSingh
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
you should browse DX website every now and then, and search Android

lots of good "knock off" android phones, full featured, and the ones that is an exact copy of the Galaxy S (except for the case shape) was sold out in a matter of hours, it was with SLCD instead of SAMOLED, running AOS 2.2

good selection of tablets too
[Nexus S General] draugaz:
Well, I have seen one of those in person. Perfect copy of ipad on DX photo, awful piece of cheap plastic in real. ****ty touchscreen, dog slow cpu.

Decent Chinese phones aren't really so cheap.
[Nexus S General] draugaz:
Close to 40% according to the isuppli, i.e. currently around 180$. Just components alone. Assembly, shipping, taxes, R&D etc not included.

So, you are prepared to pay that heavy premium because of the touchWiz/Sense/etc?

Well, to each his own. For me the Nexus S is the only Samsung device I would consider. Precisely because of absence of TouchWiz. I am actually prepared to pay the premium just to avoid those "improvements".
[Nexus S General] IronSingh:
Well currently the problem with the Chinese Knockoffs is the upgradeability.

I mean if I am paying a lower price, The hardware should be similar but software needs to be upgradeable. Plus there is no community for such devices.

But if the OS is standardized to hold all sorts of Drivers in the Kernal itself, you would start seeing all sorts of devices coming out very much like Desktops today.

Maybe it will also evolve to DIY where you buy a case to your liking, a SoC, a compatible LCD and you build the device yourself. Ofcourse this will not be good for business for the big names, but the compition will surely boom.

As for the Comment on Prices. There is a company called AllGo in India that got alot of publicity with the 35$ tablet in 2010. There is a video on Youtube titled "$35 Android Tablet presented by AllGo systems"

Now I know they are using the freecale 454 Mhz Processor, He says the hardware without the screen is 15$.

Now this is only for the barebone device, I am not saying the SnapDragon or Hummingbird is the same, but I am saying the materials used to make the freescale processor and the Hummingbird or SnapDragon processor are the same they only differ in placement so for the manufacturer Like Samsung (who make their own HummingBird and now Orion Processor unlike AllGo who will have to purchase the Freescale Processor) the processor lets say the Hummingbird and other "discrete internals" (i.e. RAM which I think he said was 2GB but this maybe storage, Wifi, USB, etc) will cost them around 15$ to produce.

Ofcourse they will have to take into account the changes they had to do and their royalty or however ARM charges them for their design come into play but when you divide it over the number of processors they make it will be a negligible amount.

Peace.

IronSingh
[Nexus S General] gogol:
No one will stop you for buying cheap product :)

It's your choice.

And you should be thankful to Android, there are choices.
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
i'd love to be able to assemble my own Customized Smartphone, as we can do with PCs today :D

then i can pick parts and pieces from different manufacture and assemble the device with the spec that i want

Dual Core

SAMOLED screen

Think case

good GPS

good compass

all the sensors i can stuff inside

fastest 4G radio

quad band voice GSM

OTA TV

FM radio

AM radio

SAT radio

SAT phone

3GB RAM

128 GB internal storage

32 GB microSDHC support

64+ GB microSDXC support

3600 mAh battery

NFC

8 mpix camera

LED

Xenon Flash

GPU

hardware decoding for movies

etc... :D

right now the closes thing to reality to my wish list spec is the SGS 2 ;)
[Nexus S General] draugaz:
But you simply can't compare that tablet with any modern high end smartphone. Performance-wise they are not even in the same ballpark. That freescale 454mhz cpu (most probably i.MX233) is like more than magnitude slower and 6 times cheaper than modern ARM Cortex A8 cpu. That CPU used in nexus alone will cost something like $25 even for chinese company.

As an example, here is the breakdown of component prices used in nexus one. An no chinese company can produce it cheaper as they would need to buy the same components.

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/Google-Nexus-One-Carries-$17415-Materials-Cost-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx

Manufacturing & other costs (where chinese company would have some advantage) are not even included in the above calculation.

I really don't mean to sound rude, but this is simply disconnected from reality. Yes, the raw materials do cost the same, to be specific - it is just a pile of sand, some plastic, aluminium etc. But you won't produce any smartphone by simply putting all of this in to the bucket and shaking around :) This is what costs real money.
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
Ill post the link when I get back to my comp but Verizons cto had some interesting comments on this merger that mesh with my sentiment.

Sent from my Onyx CM7 Google Nexus S!

Link
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
in a way i'll agree with the Verizon CEO

it's very hard to phatom who'll even buy those phones

even if they push it out in large volumes, and offered for free for a 2 ~ 3 year contract or something, i don't think they can out sell any of its top competitors (BB, AOS, IOS)
[Nexus S General] gogol:
Here is what I thought regarding Nokia and Microsoft.

Right now, Nokia is still have quite big market share for mobile phones. But, keep in mind that (market share) consists many kind of phones, many are cheap phones and not high end one.

This is one of Nokia strong proposition, where they can serve multi segments of users.

Candy bar style, feature phone style, touch screen style, high end style, business style, what not.

Do you think this is easy with the closed nature of WP7? Which we all knew Microsoft dictates the specific requirements because Microsoft wants to maintain level of performance.

Will Microsoft ease the requirements to accommodate all those variations? Because if Microsoft maintains the required specs, WP7 phone will always be medium till high end expensive device.

Will we see cheap WP7? It's hard to believe.

What will happen if Nokia cannot produce cheap candy bar phones anymore because WP7 strict requirements? Market share shrinkage?

For sure, Microsoft will negotiate and might lower the spec, but how low?

We don't know for sure.

What we do know, Nokia can do that using Android :)

Hey Nokia, it's not too late, Google CEO has said Android is still available for you.
[Nexus S General] RogerPodacter:
if you watch the elop engadget interview, MS clearly agreed to give nokia the option to push WP7 into lower end hardware to reach nokia's current market share levels. so it seems they have already thought that out at least...
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
Elop sells microsoft, buys nokia

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/18/us-nokia-ceo-idUSTRE71H1BE20110218

wow!... now it all makes sense... it was fishy to start with...

the CEO guy came from Microsoft, no wonder
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
Microsoft in $1bn Nokia deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/nokia/8368212/Microsoft-in-1bn-Nokia-deal.html

wOW! :eek:

no wonder Nokia jumped in bed with Micro$oft :rolleyes: :p :D

ohhh... and the real deal comes to light, it's because MS wants Navteq (to compete vs google maps) which is now owned by Nokia...
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaoyina:
It is a basic function to me, but I can't find it where to set it, any third party app can do that?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lainvalenajr:
U cant save sms on sim card. Only sms from the carrier can be saved there and contacts. Theres apps on the market where u can save you sms on the sdcard tho
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] naughty85:
Hello Eeveryone,

I month back i had flashed nand wp7 on my htc hd2 T8585, after that i tried to flash anroid desire Z Rom, and i am getting message "almost full on phone memory".

I again tried lot of methods to get back my space, but i am unable to get. Now i had flashed with factory rom.

When i check on settings --->> SD card & Phone Storage, i am seeing

Total Storage - 162.42 MB

Used Storage - 41.96 MB

Free Storage - 120.46 MB

Total Ptogram - 208.20 MB

Used Program - 161.21 MB

Free Program - 46.99 MB

There was lot of space missing with rom n ram.Can i get any tool/help to get back my 512MB internal memory.

PLEASE HELP ME :(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] RayHeath:
Have you tried performing a Task29? Here´s the link to the thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=644781&highlight=task29

Hope this helps
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] naughty85:
I had tried this too, actually this is wipping the space totally, but i feel my internal memory got partitioned i guess,i need to remove whole partitions inside and create a new one.

So are there any tools for working on partitions, please please help me. :(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] naughty85:
brothers please give me a solution, hope some where there will be a tool for this. It will help me lot in getting my internal memory. Please provide me your valuable suggestions
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] RayHeath:
have you tried flashing a winmo rom?

You can get one here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=577717
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] naughty85:
Thanks for you reply RayHeath, yes right now i flashed with the factory rom.

First i wiped everything by task29, then i flashed with the factory rom tracked by my serial number.

Even thoug Only 162.42 MB i can see in Total storage, if you have the same device can you please check with yours how much its showing please.

Imp note : in settings --> about phone ---> hardware information , i can see RAM SIZE : 576MB & FLASH MEMORY SIZE : 512 MB

ARE THE VALUES CORRECT
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ike2903:
when you perform task29 you have to flash magldr again, did you think about that?

I think with task29 also partitions will be deleted...when you are able to install stock winmo rom you must be able to flash any other rom. At least mdjs cm7 should work when you try an android rom because it uses less memory than winmo.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ike2903:
I would say this is normal
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] naughty85:
First thanks for your reply, Task29 wil not remove partitions, it wil wipe fully thats what i can conclude after my 2 days of investigation, the harware information which shows the values as 576 MB & 512 MB are fine. even i agree with you, as it is giving the values of hardware present on phone.

can you give me once your values @ settings ---> SD Card & Phone Storage please, then i can explain you more clear.

My values : Total Storage : 162.42 MB Urs :

Total Program : 208.20 MB Urs:

If any one have the same model with 512MB please provide me the inputs, usefull for investigation
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ike2903:
I think you have to add these two (Storage and Programm) because winmo seperates?! Please, correct me if I'm wrong^^

I can tell but it would be useless because I'm using Android w/ data2ext ;)

btw: I'd wp7 on my device 3 times and I always could get back to Winmo, Android or whatever. Maybe you should try to install magldr 1.13 and cwm 400mb. I don't think that your nand has gone ;)