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[Xoom General] eallan:
Seriously, are you dense?

The iPad uses the same chipset as the iPhone. It is only a 30 dollar premium despite "Size being a factor."

You're not making sense. The Xoom has phone guts inside of it, period. My comparison is totally valid and makes moto look like they have no idea what they're doing.

The MOTOROLA ATRIX (Tegra 2, 1gb, linux distro, hdmi, hi res screen, etc etc etc etc) is 200 dollars cheaper than the MOTOROLA XOOM. It's absolutely asinine.

The development costs should be shared across all their upcoming tegra 2 devices and I doubt this is their last tablet. This is an idiotic way to enter the market.
[Xoom General] csseale:
Yep.......
[Xoom General] Homan13PSU:
BUT...that feature won't be active until you upgrade to the 4G radio.
[Xoom General] Henchman:
Thank you for making my point.

You said it right.

The ATRIX with only 1 gig a much much smaller screen and smaller battery costs $200 less than the XOOM.

I find the price difference completely realistic and totally acceptable.
[Xoom General] eallan:
I find it irritating that you can't understand this:

Atrix / Xoom price difference = $200.

iPad / iPhone price difference = $30.

200 >> 30.

Motorola's offering is overpriced. The Apple offering is the established brand.
[Xoom General] Henchman:
What's the price difference between the Xoom and the 32gb iPhone 4G?
[Xoom General] Eclair~:
Never mind...
[Xoom General] Henchman:
Everything I've read states the price of the iPhone being $749

And It's singlecore.
[Xoom General] Eclair~:
Ohh the unsubsidized version.

I honestly always forget about the unsubsidized phones =/
[Xoom General] eallan:
$100. Point?
[Xoom General] Henchman:
$100 more for a much larger more powerfull device simply isn't that much.
[Xoom General] eallan:
32gb 3G iPad is $730. Cheaper than the xoom. $30 more than the iPhone. Atrix= $599. 599+39 = 629. There, I'd pay 630 for the xoom.
[Xoom General] gmmurphy:
this is the greatest! i love these rants, i am going to wait on the wifi 7 inch xoom. 10 is to dam big i might as well have my laptop. 7 seems perfect for on the go. i have been messing around with a wpdn 7 inch horribly slow, screen god awful but got 2.2 running an happy to just mess around. point being, price will drop, this pile of garbage started as a B&N reader for $200 i picked up for 57 bucks striped it down and now have a decent cheap pile of garbage running 2.2, xoom will come out with at 7 inch wifi only for same price as the galaxy 2 for $499. whats that they say about patience?
[Xoom General] tullywork:
WIFI playbook for $500

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/wifi-blackberry-playbook-priced-at-500-in-office-depots-system/

EAT IT XOOM!! LMFAO!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!
[Xoom General] dwboston:
What a bargain. Don't forget to add in the cost of the Blackberry the Playbook must be tethered to for any BB services to work.
[Xoom General] gmmurphy:
xoomfoums just announced wifi bluetooth only xoom headed to fcc. should knock the price down $100
[Xoom General] tullywork:
$100?!?! WWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Still over priced. Consider the R&D and the hardware of the tablets that will be coming out that aren't android (playbook, HP Touchpad) all of which probably cost those companies a boatload in dev of the OS alone...all of which will come into the market below $600....and the XOOM will be a laugh before AND after.

You HAVE to come in below Apple's prices, any marketting intern knows that, and obviouly big companies like HP and BB do....
[Xoom General] vetvito:
Wait wait wait, there is a iPhone 4g?
[Xoom General] Xevilious:
Um, Blackberry? Seriously?

No thanks, I'll stick with Google.

Even if the Xoom is expensive, there will be lots and lots of Honeycomb Android tablets to pick from at various price points.

There will be one... maybe two Playbooks out this year.
[Xoom General] magicdroid:
I don't understand their strategy (both Motorola and Verizon)... why would they lock wifi and make it so expensive if they want to compete with the iPad?

What is wrong with these companies? Reminds me of the Galaxy Tab launch, way overpriced at launch, no hype, and price dropped nearly $400 after 6 months.

If they want to get a share of the tablet market they should be much quicker and cheaper, make it available to everyone at launch (not locked to some carrier) and release it worldwide within the same week. That will cause a real boom!

I can already see it happening: Verizon Xoom tablet launching in US, no one wants to subscribe and pay cancelation costs just to get Wifi, only Verizon customers hop on. It sounds more like a limited marketing experiment then a real product launch!

</rant>

Sorry Motorola, but I'm putting my money on the LG Optimus Pad!
[Xoom General] ixobelle:
it's pretty sad when 5 paragraphs is considered a pretty good editorial.

how long till public schools release "mo-B diK" to read on your phone for homework?

RITE AN S.A UV 140 CHARZ ON TWEETR FOR HW. GLHF KTHXBI

zzz
[EVO 4G General] Zoidpilot:
Hey guys maybe this has already posted but I've searched around and can't find anything on it: Is there a hack for the Sprint TV so I can have the service without paying? I found a way to bypass paying for the hotspot ($30/m pshhhhh) and wondered if anyone has done the same for Sprint TV... I'm on the Evo 4g w/ EvoNonsense 4.2 mod
[EVO 4G General] klquicksall:
If you have data you have sprint tv.

The EVO you wish you had
[EVO 4G General] DarkManX4lf:
I wish there was a way to watch sprint TV on wifi or 4g
[EVO 4G General] klquicksall:
That would be nice.

The EVO you wish you had
[EVO 4G General] Zoidpilot:
I know this sounds kinda dumb but I meant the full service... some channels you cant access without paying and additional $5.00 here $3.00 there... Is there any way to have all channels and on demand available?
[EVO 4G General] Bp3dots:
Yeah. There is. Pay for them.

Do you walk in to a grocery store and just pick up milk and leave? If it's not worth it to buy or you can't afford it, then don't use that part of the service.
[EVO 4G General] Zoidpilot:
Wow... didn't have to be so harsh on me... Last time I checked this was a site to help each other out. People have used the HotSpot service without paying for it and I'm pretty sure we could afford it, it's just more convenient. Sarcasm is not appreciated, but I understand where you're coming from I guess. Well if anybody ELSE has something USEFUL to say, please let me know as I would for you
[EVO 4G General] CptGloval:
cool thanks for info!
[EVO 4G General] Bp3dots:
Sorry if you felt that was unnecessarily harsh. I did, however, provide you with a 100% working way to veiw the channels you want to see. ;)
[EVO 4G General] Zoidpilot:
True... damn it if it wouldn't be awesome though... It was worth a try... along with sprint TV over 4g or wifi
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
In the nicest way possible, dont try and scam Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] admorris:
Get off your high horse. I suspect you are rooted, therefore I suspect you have some type of wireless tether that you are not paying for. The guy asked a question, if you don't like it then don't answer.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
tethering.. is a built-in function of android.. that carriers took out. We are paying for the data... we are only taking back what they took away. wireless tether.. is a different method to transfer data.

sprint tv.. is a service that sprint provides.. and it cost them money to have those services. this site does not allow information to steal applications or services.
[EVO 4G General] akarol:
Anyone rooted and using tether for free is already scamming Sprint... And for a lot more than paying for a channel here and there.

BTW, just because a feature is native to the OS and blocked by a carrier for a premium, doesn't mean we should take it back freely. The reason they have to charge more is because of the added bandwidth that is THEIRS. We pay our monthly dues for our device; not for anything else we want to connect onto it. They most certainly have the right to charge a fee for that feature.

I'm not trying to be a hypocrit here by judging people who tether for free, because I'm rooted and I have used it a couple of times in the past. However, I'm not naive enough to not admit that what I did, and probably will do again in the future, isn't wrong.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
+1... exactly. Using tether is scamming sprint just as much as what the op wanted to do.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
i have unlimited data.. according to sprint and the $10 charge.

i have an android that lets me tether data.....

they lock it.. i unlock it.

well you draw your own connections.. I have mine.
[EVO 4G General] Bp3dots:
He asked a question. I answered it. If you don't care for my answer, feel free to keep it to yourself. I am rooted, and I have yet to turn on wireless tether. I have 0 need for it. Just because you feel it's ok to steal, don't assume that I have the same opinion.

If the original question had been "Hey guys, Admorris has a sweet car. How can I use it without his consent?" Would you still be crying about my answer?

EDIT: As far as tethering, I use the paid version of PDANet, which I've had since shortly after I got the EVO, and long before I rooted. Which is why I don't need the wireless tether that came with my ROM.
[EVO 4G General] flight01:
This thread needs to be locked!!!!!!!!!

My 2cents:

hacking to get free hot spot is fine because android is open source and sprint locked down that feature. Unlocking it is fine and legal :D any part of the android OS is free for anyone to hack and use to their liking. Apps are a different story

Sprint tv is propritary feature/app and is not really apart of android it is a service they provide for a fee. Also there are a bunch of free channels like Usa, Fox and a few others with full episodes. Just wish it worked atleast over wifi. Hacking sprint tv i guess would be considered warez and xda does not support or allow warez on this site
[EVO 4G General] klquicksall:
If you feel that way just report it.

The EVO you wish you had
[EVO 4G General] Zoidpilot:
Whoa Whoa I think this thread is getting a little personal huh guys? no beef here man... I asked a question and Bp3dots answered it. We are all entitled to our own opinion but to be honest I think everyone is getting off topic. If theres no straight answer to my question then just forget it. I truly appreciate any suggestions but I don't wanna start a huge thread of argument. So far I have not found anything on it and although many of you pose good points, I don't wanna steal from anyone especially Sprint. I just thought that it was something that was included and blocked just like the tether function, but I was wrong. Case closed..... And play nice guys
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
Your question is some what borderline. XDA doesn't allow talk about hacking and that is what your question is. I would not be surprised if this post gets closed. I know I read the post about tethering. I'm not judging either way, but your question asks about hacking and hacking isn't discussed on XDA. So your probably going to get a lot of arguing about it.
[EVO 4G General] wingzfan:
Verizon nfl app, totally talking about hacking and one of the biggest threads on this forum.

Just saying...
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
I know.... not sure how they police that..
[EVO 4G General] bcarter2000:
Well instead of hacking it for free use, is there any way it could be hacked to use wifi, and or 4G?
[EVO 4G General] Zoidpilot:
I'm pretty sure we all know the difference between "hacking" and "modding" and I as well as the moderators would never condone hacking. I had a simple question and did not fully understand how the TV thing worked but I understand that it would be stealing. So with that being said I'm pretty sure this thread is gonna be closed soon anyway and I got the answer I needed thanks guys! oh and btw BCARTER2000 I believe theres another thread about that somewhere around here... just search it but dont get your hopes up on that yet, I've done some searching on that myself to no avail as yet. Well good luck and happy modding to all!!
[EVO 4G General] tke0834:
Android is open source & Sprint is part of the open handset alliance (See the linky) meaning Sprint allows us to use our phones how we wish making tethering perfectly LEGAL. Sprint TV is a service that sprint provides so hacking it is ILLEGAL

http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
The only time I ever used tether was to let my iPhone friends use their iphones in the break room at my job. 0 bars from att.
[EVO 4G General] bignibb:
Well its ok to hack the verizon nfl app because we are stealing from verison and not sprint.
[EVO 4G General] -Protos:
Wow did you swallow all of sprints load or did you get some on your chin ..... hypocritical douchebag you use a rom that has tether built in .
[EVO 4G General] djnarcotics:
i guess thats part of the internet policy
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Oh? Don't all rom's? Doesn't mean I use it. Which I don't... no use for it. I don't travel. Wow...
[EVO 4G General] slimno19:
Just use www.ovguide.com .....same stations as sprint
[EVO 4G General] adf8585:
douche bag
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
Funny,but true
[EVO 4G General] KingDavid36:
There is always a way to achieve what you seek. Make it happen! You guys are funny as hell. The douche bag and load on the chin comment was hilarious... lmaoooooooooooo Dude is using a ROM with built in tether though, and talking all saintly...smh
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Hey hey ass. Almost all Roms have it. I choose not to use it so u can stfu.

Just because I can and have a plenty of chances to steal from my work definitely doesn't mean I do.
[EVO 4G General] spiicytuna:
Yikes this thread has gone off the deep end...
[EVO 4G General] brokenbmx06:
In before the lock.
[EVO 4G General] JoeLithium:
Lol. ME TOO!
[Droid X General] stayin100:
I am the current owner of a Fascinate, rooted/romed ect, and I'm planning on getting the girl a Droid X tomorrow. Been cruising this section for a few days now lurking, and I'm still utterly blown away by the seemingly endless Rom choices. We want to root her new phone and I'd love to try and keep it as stock as possible. Looking for wireless tethering and some sort of Pepto Pink theme. I read something about some sort of boot loader, no clue what that is, but seems like something I need to look into.

I'm very familiar with Rom Manager, and flashing custom roms on my Fascinate, but the lack of Dev. on the SGS makes for very clear easy choices on what roms/kernels to flash. I'm not asking for a spoon feeding, just possibly some basic information on what to research and maybe some links of information to read up on.

Thanks in advance!
[Droid X General] hullie10:
Aside from rooting... you want to look into the app droid x bootstrapper by koush google it or download it from the market... after that then decide what rom you want to use... don't worry about kernels we can't flash custom kernels cuz of the locked bootloader (i think)....there are guides all over this forum...

Aside from your keeping it stock as possible.... there are roms that keep some blur aspects and others that are more aosp... i personally use apex...
[Droid X General] kdkinc:
Read this GREAT guide:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=940986
[Droid X General] SysAdmin-X:
+1 to kdinc, thanks for the link! Will throw a thanks your way when I get back to my pc
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
Hey people, I've search far and wide, both on-forum and off-forum, and I cannot find a solution (it's quarter to 10pm EST and I've been searching since about noon EST... sigh)...

ISSUE:

- Had AuraxTSense running fine, but wanted to cook a custom using www.cookmyrom.se (recommended off of XDA-forums)

- Tried numerous times, using either AuraxT or Leedroid, cooked, downloaded and installed only to be reverted back to RelfexTSence, which I had BEFORE AuraxTSence. Odd, since Aurax was my most recent ROM, NOT Reflex... WEIRD, I KNOW!

- Ever since that, I cannot install any ROM. Install will fail, citing "Verification Signature Failed", "Installation Aborted".

THINGS I'VE TRIED:

-disabling verification (it's disabled by default, however, I enable it, then disable it just to make sure)

- Re-cooking, re-downloading, re-installing numerous, I stress, NUMEROUS times

- clearing all sorts of caches before AND after installs

- Wiping, re-formatting and re-partitioning SD Card (only thing I backed up was pictures and a kernel, but I didn't even restore because I couldn't get a ROM to work (re: issue above)

- tried installing via Rom Manager as opposed to via clockwork = still didn't work

SPECS/INFO:

- HBoot 0.83.xxx something

- Clockwork Recovery 0.2.5.7

- unbranded, rooted HTC Desire

- Last-running kernel was Coutts .975mV

- Last correctly running ROM was AuraxTSense (with new sense, apps2sd+ etc.)

- Second last correctly running ROM was ReflexTSense (yadda yadda)

- Third last correcetly running ROM was Leedroid (Can't remember the version, maybe d?)

But it keeps reverting to a half, slow, cheap install of ReflexTSense (no disrespect to the author of ReflexTSense, the ROM was great, it's my phone that makes it a crap experience)...

HELP! lol

Thanks a ton in advance!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Meaple:
Is the file verification enabled? If so disable it. If that doesn't work, make a Goldcard.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
Thanks for the reply mate. I've read a bit about this "goldcard" business, but I can't seem to understand it.. have a link or anything, maybe a guide? I can't seem to pull anything useful up (sigh, after 10 hours or searching XDA + Google)...

Also, yes, verification was off :/
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
Gold card isn't needed to flash a custom ROM so don't worry about that. Chances are its the signature verification being turned on. Turn it off and it should work
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Meaple:
It isn't but if disabling the signature verification in recovery isn't helping then making a Goldcard is the fastest way to go about it instead of farting around with a load of s**t.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
Gold card only lets you flash a stock RUU from a different build then your original one. It does nothing for flashing custom ROMs
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StefanCelMare:
Have you tried switching from Clockwork Recovery 0.2.5.7 to AmonRa Recovery minimum 2.0.0? I don't know about Clocwork recovery options, as I used it only briefly, but the newer versions of amonra allow you to switch verification OFF. Give it a shot.

P.S. I use version 2.0.0 - the option is in the meniu -> other -> Toggle Signature Verify

Later edit: BTW, your version of Clockwork recovery is quite old - I've seen some 3.0 version talk here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=897026
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
Thank you all for the replies. Clockwork DOES allow you to turn signature verification off, however as Stefen mentioned, it might be outdated. I'll first try to update clockwork since I'm familiar with it. If not, I'll try switching to AmonRa Recovery. Thank you all for the suggestions so far, I'll post back if solved! :D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
Alright, so I cannot upgrade/downgrade my clockwork recovery, it just doesn't work. I've followed all steps (I AM technologically literate) to no avail... :(

What to do.......... ?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
You need to either be S-OFF or re-run unrEVOked to update it. What have you tried to do?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
I have tried:

- disabling verification signature, then flashing

- wiping, literally, everything there is to wipe, then flashing

- updating recovery through HBoot (unsuccessful)

- updating recovery through ROM Manager (error on every version except current version I have)

- tried numerous ROMs that HAVE worked every time until recently (both verified through Desire Development threads, i.e. Leedroid, AuraxTSense etc., and custom cooked ROMs off of www.cookmyrom.se)

Specs:

- Desire AMOLED

- HBoot-0.83.0001

- Radio-4.08.00.09

- Current ROM: AuraxTSense (New Sense HD) -> It forces me on it

- Kernal: 2.26.32.26 NEOPhyte.x360@SnowLeopard #34

- Recovery: Clockword Recovery 2.5.0.7

If I'm missing anything, ask me and I'll give you the info.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
I mean you can ONLY update CWM by running unrEVOked again and pointing it to a newer version or do it once you've S-OFF - no other way will work
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
Oh ok, I understand now.. however, is updating my CWM the way to fix this issue?

I've read that CWM 3.0.0.0 and up only read Edify, meanwhile lots of ROMs are still zipped using the older-based script... So far, everyone reports 2.5.7.x to be working. Unfortunately, I'm stuck in a "no-flash-anything" zone :/
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
No idea, I use AmonRA
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
I'm going to try IntertCoin ROM, it's said to be zipped using Edify, which CWM 2.5.7.0 apparently supports... this way I'll know if it's CWM screwing me or not...

EDIT: Can't flash this one either. Still says verification signature failed even though I've disabled it, and the author of the ROM says it's signed.... like wtf man? All I've done is switch a few ROMs over a couple of months, nothing crazy, how could this happen???
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
BUMP..... I need help man... it's already rooted but I can't do ANYTHING! Can't flash, nothing........... :(
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
Go back to 100% stock, root again using AmonRA and flash another ROM
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
I've been searching on how to unroot.. can't find anything.. I found ONE tutorial on XDA and it looks complicated as hell.. I have OSX or windows 7... I originally rooted on Windows 7.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
I've unrooted my phone, and have succesfully RE-rooted my phone only to end up with CWM 2.5.0.7 again, and sure enough, I cannot install ANY ROM again.

Since no one cares to help, I guess I'll just keep trying God knows what, and maybe I'll post results... thanks anyway...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikep99:
How did you unroot? Did you run the original RUU for your phone?

Also, have you tried AMONRA recovery? You need to specify amonra when running unrevoked to flash it rather than clockworkmod.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buckshotjr:
Unrooted using htc sync and original RUU for my phone/carrier. Worked like a charm. I RE-rooted using unrevoked, and there was no option to specify Armon recovery over CWM. I don't see WHY CWM would all of a sudden be completely, 100% useless when others report it's fine.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
Before running unrEVOked you go to File>Custom Recovery and choose the AmonRA file you've downloaded. Should've looked at the program a bit more