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[Epic 4G General] poit:
I'm not really thrilled by CarrierIQ either, but I think your rant might be a little overblown and I also don't think most of the improvements you are seeing are due to carrierIQ being removed. All the other changes, (Overclock/undervolt, EXT4 conversion) have a much bigger effect on both battery life and performance. I say this because for the last week I've been on STOCK rom with Genocide kernel on it, (which is OC/UV). I also saw a noticeable improvement in battery life. (At the end of the day I'm usually at about 40%) Going from that to Syndicate I really didn't see any improved battery life, and although I got better benchmark scores the phone didn't perform any better in actual use. I'm back on the stock rom/genocide kernel now because I need a stable phone.

As far as being paranoid about what CarrierIQ does, well, I've looked and have yet to find anything but guesses and opinions. If you look at their website

http://www.carrieriq.com/index.htm it appears to be a tool that gives Sprint information about lots if things including call quality and tower performance. The descriptions are all written in "business doublespeak", so it's a little hard to grok but most of the items seems to be things that might actually help Sprint improve their service and be a benefit to their customers. Show me some evidence that they are "spying on us" with this app.

Overall, this is nothing compared to the kind of data we give Google every day because we signed on to the Android bandwagon. They know every location we go to, every URL we visit, every app we install, every phone number we call.
[Epic 4G General] lballer69:
Hey was gonna post about carrier IQ too smh finger hit the back button. Anyways i was reading the wall street journal small business section this morning. # 9 on the Top 50 start ups was Carrier IQ - have raised 48 million since company started also it says the software is on 140 million devices worldwide providing data for Vodafone and Sprint.

Sent from my 1.2ghz super phone
[Epic 4G General] blackdragon79:
Mind telling us step by step how you removed the iq please
[Epic 4G General] bjhill2112:
Also - didn't k0nane say that it looked like most of the functionality of CIQ was turned off?
[Epic 4G General] xxmastermindxx:
Its removed in the devs latest roms.
[Epic 4G General] bigray327:
Yes. Things are never as good or as bad as initially reported.
[Epic 4G General] Poryhack:
Something like CIQ would make a for a sensational story on Engadget or the like. If you wanna get Sprint into a PR nightmare, start tipping the news sites.
[Epic 4G General] th3j3ster:
Ask k0nane :)
[Epic 4G General] th3j3ster:
Maybe it is a bit overblown, however, I've tried many, many roms including older versions of Syndicate, and I've NEVER even come close to the performance or battery improvements that I've seen with Syndicate Frozen. I realize I'm stabbing in the dark a bit...but if that's the major thing that k0nane changed, I think it is acceptable to assume that Carrier IQ is the main culprit.

Also, I'm not fond of people collecting any of my data without my knowledge, even just for usage statistics :)
[Epic 4G General] iamchocho:
Twitter mob time! I like the engadget story idea. Also all the android news sites... I no longer care cause I'm not going back to sprint stock, but its still not cool that they put it in there in the first place. Id still like to see them explain themselves because there's no reason why it should be capable of capturing what it can.
[Epic 4G General] othan1:
So much of this. If the application has the ability to monitor everything, then why not tell us what you're monitoring?

I'm not that worried about it, really, because my passwords, gps, texts, mms, voice mail, etc. are already stored on Sprint's servers and they can look at it any time they want.

Google knows every application I've installed on my phone and Sprint probably does, too.

So, even though I couldn't care less about someone watching an old man go about his business, I still would like to know exactly what data they are mining.
[Epic 4G General] aggro1:
I was on genocide before going to frozen. There is a huge difference in nonscreen on battery life. Before I would lose 5% or more an hour, even if I didn't touch my phone. Now I lose around 1%.

If anyone here knows what carrierIQ does it would be k0nane. Since most of those options are turned off ,it isn't exactly proof that they are spying. But it is proof that they can spy at will. Which is just as bad.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist. I suspect that it was forced on sprint by the government, and can be turned on remotely. Hopefully at least with a warrant.
[Epic 4G General] Quis89:
I'm not as emotional about carrier iq as you sign to be although I am interested to know if I can remove it without flashing a custom rom. I'm perfectly satisfied with eb13 stock. I've add overclock and ext4 so I have no need for a custom rom. So is it possible to remove carrier iq without flashing a custom rom?
[Epic 4G General] aggro1:
I'm not a developer. In fact I'm pretty much a noob. But my understanding is that it is hidden very deep, and hard to remove. Check the frozen thread in development, k0nane gives a bunch of info on it. And there is a link there for developers to go to take it out of their roms.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Just seriously flash the bonsai rom, you wont regret it, it will back up everything and restore for you just if you have any sprint apps that you like and also as well as the recently removed apps that are on the change log use sdx stock app removal to remove it.

Believe me stock rom blows once your on bonsai..

Just a suggestion to help you out, bro of course its up to you..
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
This is by far the most hilarious way I've been referenced in a long time. :D
[Epic 4G General] socos25:
My guess is they maybe working on that, but I am sure they are having problems there as well... But rest assured someone will always have something to complain about.

1. Why does my notebook that fits in my hand not last for a week on a charge?

2. Why won't my phone make toast?

3. Why doesn't my phone improve my chances of geting a date?

See what I mean?? :p:D:eek:
[Epic 4G General] herbthehammer:
I sure wish I knew what the heck you are talking about. It sparked my interest but I'm lost. Do you have a link for the few clueless people like myself could read to understand what you are upset about?
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Well hears one way I see CIQ. you know when you install a program and there's the check box to send debug/stast to the dev. Thats my problem with it, where is my checkbox! PowerAMP has one and its checked some of my pc apps have it checked.

Sent from my ComBadge..
[Epic 4G General] herbthehammer:
So its phone home and you can use the app or no phone home and no use app. No real choice there
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
To a healthy degree, anonymous usage data is a great thing. Most people never give feedback to the people who write the software they use, and yet most people still feel the need to complain when unwanted changes take place in future releases. We sort of do this after-the-fact routine of using software, enjoying a feature, seeing the feature removed, and then swearing never to buy from that company ever again.

I almost always check the box on my PC to participate in 'customer experience' this and that, because I, too, suffer from feedback apathy, but feel like at least that tiny effort lets my habits contribute, in some small way, to developer decisions.

After all, some software doesn't take any feedback whatsoever, and we get two years of ridiculous software updates ala Ubuntu ("we realize it's controversial, but the devs have decided you'll learn to like it").

On the other hand, some data collection is over the top and unnecessary, and that needs to be avoided. Carrier-oriented software usage stat collection confuses me, because Sprint et al aren't Google/Apple/Microsoft and don't develop the OSes, and the companies that do have their own ways of determining trends. Carriers can look at their OWN logs and see what kind of data is going back and forth and develop their *service* (which is what they're there to provide) based on that information, because no amount of Android hackery will hide our phone calls/texts/data packets from Sprint.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
Something I recall that is interesting now that you posted this - I have a consumer reports subscription and one of them were all about mobile phones a few months back. Something I noticed in it was every single phone on Sprint had lower battery life than that on Verizon/ATT and it always confused me since they all had the same battery, I simply assumed Sprint's network used more battery life.
[Epic 4G General] epic4GEE:
I'm not all freaked out about this, but kudos to k0nane for taking it out and passing it around for all to use.......thumbs up bro :)
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
I can.notice my phone.is faster and snappier with ciq gone. I'm on bonsai 3.0.1. Awesome job konane

Sent From My Evo Killer!
[Epic 4G General] herbthehammer:
Maybe it has but I didn't see it but I haven't seen anything about this in evo or shift development. I'm assuming it's in all phones. Since cyanogenmod is supposedly built from the source ground up, I'm guessing it isn't there either.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I'm actually scheduled to talk to Carrier IQ at CTIA for 30 minutes. I'm going to see what direction they are going in and seeing what exactly Carrier IQ is doing to hopefully prevent personal information from being transferred to the carriers.

Does anyone have anything else I should ask them? Being an upcoming lawyer I usually come up with questions as I go off the top of my head, but I have a little knowledge about them before hand.
[Epic 4G General] caspertodd:
Just my experience and my opinion...I haven't noticed an increase in battery life or less lag with the new roms that have Carrier IQ removed. I have used almost all the roms here, and even before CIQ was taken out, I noticed no lag on my phone. Maybe I'm not as sensitive to it, or maybe I got lucky and got a well made phone. How can someone say that their phone is snappier with CIQ removed? Did you run the exact same rom with CIQ, and then just remove CIQ and are comparing speed and battery life? Or are you comparing one version of rom to another that has many more speed enhancements other than just CIQ being removed?

Who knows why Sprint put that service on there...maybe for future use to help with issues. I doubt it was so that they could tell how many times you called Grandma or went to the store to buy milk. In any case I am glad it was removed, I just think it is being blown a little out of proportions as some others have said.
[Epic 4G General] snowmanwithahat:
Logging was turned off... in other words it wasn't writing the output to your SDcard or transmitting it on the network.

By the nature of the service though it's ALWAYS listening, meaning even if no logs are being written it's still a battery drain because it goes through 99% of the motions except for actually writing the log file.

Just because it's "off" doesn't mean it isn't a battery drain, it's just not likely an active source of data leakage
[Epic 4G General] snowmanwithahat:
I would definitely like to hear the results of that conversation.

If logging is off, can you ask them why the service is even on? It seems (from a tech->user troubleshooting perspective) that using a dialer code to turn on the service and enable logging would be much better than having the service running full time (possibly) being a battery drain.

I don't want to completely blow CarrierIQ out of proportion, but I was going to email engadget, slashdot, reddit, slashgear, tomshardware, techradar, androidcentral and my other tech-sites to see if they'll put a news posting about Carrier IQ and just a link and quote to the 3rd post in the ACS SFR thread.

I really want other epic users to hear about this and I want Sprint to feel pressured to respond with a reason as to why they included this on our phones.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Well I think Carrier IQ is going out to all devices slowly. Sprint Samsung was just first.
[Epic 4G General] bjhill2112:
Huawei is adding it to their devices too.
[Epic 4G General] snowmanwithahat:
Do you think the Nexus S on Sprint (if it's not just a rumor) would have it?

I'm not sure if that would greatly violate the "Google Experience" or not... If it is immune that's all the reason I need right there to get it. I want stock, no frills, basic as can be
[Epic 4G General] noobnl:
bump...........
[Epic 4G General] rangerover_95:
New info, or bumped for relevance?
[Epic 4G General] iSaint:
He added EC05 to the OP
[Epic 4G General] abmcbride85:
http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/03/...00-to-get-updates-in-romania-by-end-of-month/

Other SGS are due to get it in other parts of the world...
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
At least we know they're still working on it.

Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I'll be sure to ask them ;)

And I'm going to dig around on the Nexus S 4G to see what exactly is in it. And in the HTC Evo 3D too
[Epic 4G General] cresny:
Data writes are pretty expensive so if logging were on I think it would be a big drain, not to mention a waste of space. When it comes to data analytics it's usually "more is better", but I guess even Sprint knew that logging would not be feasible. From looking at the site, Carrier IQ seems to be trying to capture metrics about how people use phones, not about how people interact with data -- that's Google's game.

http://www.carrieriq.com/overview/IQInsightExperienceManager/index.htm

I'm not sure how "evil" I think this is, but I think it's great that people are looking into it.
[Epic 4G General] DAvid_B:
Sprint is probably using this as a network health tool.

If you don't know what's going on at the receive and, you don't know what's going on.
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
That'd be fine if they actually used that information to improve their inconsistent network. Since they don't seem to want to do that, they're not going to get any help from me.
[Epic 4G General] daddymikey1975:
if you can tell me how to access the CIQ menu, I'd be more than happy to turn ON logging and see if I can get the log from my SD card so we can try and see what type of data CIQ collects or what's in the logs..

just sayin'

lots of us are bent outta shape over this (IMO, reasonably so) but we don't know what all they're collecting or able to collect.. I would love to find out.
[Epic 4G General] dzuchowski:
no offense you must be drinking the htc kool-aid or on drugs. the epic 4g has a better cpu and video gpu. I traded my evo 4g for an epic and love the epic. I traded because sprint is cheeping the evo name with the evo sh!tless 4g which has a slowe cpu (800mhz vs 1ghz) and a smaller screen 3.6". Any screen under 4" google has said will not be considered a premium device and thus can not run Android 3.x for cellphones when its out. Also i dont see HTC using Android 3.x for phones as HTC may make Sense into its own Phone OS as with Android 3.x you can not skin the device anylonger as google wants to have a uniform user expierence like apple does with the i-phone. I love Touch wiz but cant wait for android 3.x for the Epic 4g....
[Epic 4G General] abduljaffar:
haha! Yup. I had a evo before the epic was out. I tried our once our was being sold and I was blown away by how fast our was and the beautiful omaled lcd. Luckily I found a sucker who bought my evo and I got myself a epic. Love it!

Ps. The buyer asked me why I was selling the evo. I told him that its too stupidd crazy fast and im senile and foing blind so I need a bigger slower phone. Lol. He bought it and gave mw cash. Lol.
[Epic 4G General] drizek:
The Evo shift has a faster CPU than the evo.
[Epic 4G General] Esteway.619:
No it doesn't the shift is 800mhz and the original evo is 1ghz
[Epic 4G General] intx:
The Evo's chip is an earlier model than the Shift.

The shift at 800 beats the Evo easily, and some are OCing the shift up to 1.8 GHz
[Epic 4G General] Quis89:
Not you again....

Stop it...
[Epic 4G General] murso74:
these are the same people that rate cameras by megapixels
[Epic 4G General] drizek:
Yes. If I was buying a phone on sprint right now it would likely be the shift.

Of course, I'd rather have the necksuccess 4G.
[Epic 4G General] flopez76:
The Evo Shift has a 2nd gen Snapdragon which is clocked at 800mhz, the Evo has a 1st gen Snapdragon which is clocked at 1ghz. Now mhz & ghz doesn't mean anything! There is a reason why there's a second gen Snapdragon, it's FASTER & uses less power! Which translates into a faster phone!

Second with any phone manufacturer (Samsung, HTC, etc.) you'll be lucky to get at least one update. Except for the Nexus family, they'll get almost every update. And I HIGHLY doubt our Epic will get Android 3.X heck we won't even get Ice Cream! Stop bashing other phones.

Sent From My Command Center... (aka basement)
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Here are all the ways you are an idiot:

1. "Cheeping"? Seriously? They are making noises like birds?

2. Shift has the faster 2nd gen Snapdragon

3. Android 3.0 is only for Tablets and there will be a good 6 months before "Ice Cream has anything other than speculation going for it.

4. Nexus 1, 3.7 inch screen but yet STILL HIGH END

5. Google has already confirmed it is still letting OEMs put their skins on all versions of Android.

You seem to have been stuck under a rock for the past 6 months when all of this was disproven.
[Epic 4G General] deano0714:
This is like saying that a 800 MHz orion processor is slower than our phones... its not its the next generation and has dual cores.

epic
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
I forsee moderators taking action here.

Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
[Epic 4G General] deano0714:
Haha yes this has gotten very off topic

epic
[Epic 4G General] abduljaffar:
I'm sorry, but I returned that pos shift. Garbage. Slow and just made me love my epic more.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
2.3 is coming....cm7 is now here
[Epic 4G General] mbkowns:
Except many people have not even received the OTA for what they call froyo... and sprint stopped the push ..

Where is froyo.1
[Epic 4G General] jeffyv2:
Why even want to wait for the ota now when u can get it in the development section...
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
Not everyone is comfortable with flashing their phone OTW, therefor they wait for the OTA release from Sprint.
[Epic 4G General] v3rk:
i hope they understand that a clean install would benefit their device greatly!
[Epic 4G General] johnyardavid:
It even has a better gpu than the evo
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Also, not everyone that has an epic cares about updates. We are a small group. Sometimes you just gotta remember that.

Sent from my always stock, froyo Epic
[Epic 4G General] steven7590:
Could not of said it better myself. I am almost positive I will have a samsung for my next phone. I look at hardware for phones. I'm pretty sure that everyone who has an epic chose it for the hardware over the evo. Samsung makes good hardware and for software... That's where xda comes in and all the great developers that go with it ;-) I LIKE THE PHONES MADE BY SAMSUNG. There I said it haha.

Sent from my Epic using the Premium XDA App
[Epic 4G General] Robman62:
So has froyo been fixed yet

I am still running stock di18, but have been dying to upgrade, is the update fixed, is their a newer version out there yet?
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
Nope, you can't even download EB13 anymore from Samsung website. You will have to get it from a mirror in the development section. They are working on new revisions, but not letting us know about anything as usual. With CM7 here, I say screw Froyo anyway.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
If there was a newer version don't you think you'd see posts about it? Besides all the problems with EB13 are from OTA'ing, not a clean flash via ODIN
[Epic 4G General] AndrewZorn:
Well, there weren't 1000 threads about Froyo before/during/after release, so I can't imagine why I should expect any different here...
[Epic 4G General] deisel:
Do we have a step by step how to uninstall the ota version and how to do a clean wipe flash?
[Epic 4G General] TheRogueX:
I bought an Epic instead of an Evo because the Epic has a slide-out keyboard.

>.>

Though, to be fair, once I had the Epic and the Shift came out, I decided not to get the Shift because its hardware isn't as good.
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
I gave him the most helpful information in post #2, while you just came back to make the guy feel bad about asking a question in your second post you made. While he should be aware of the fact that he does need to do a little research and use the search button before posting some things, you don't need to mini moderate such things. A little politeness goes a long way.
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Merged related. Please keep it friendly. Thank you.
[Epic 4G General] noobnl:
EC05 is final android 2.2 update?

No releases for the past 1 1/2 weeks... (from sprint servers)

maybe they stopped releasing it publicly?
[Epic 4G General] Akagami:
I guess only time will tell...
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Well, i hope they release something more then EB13 soon to fix miscellaneous things, like bluetooth, and what not..

What does the C mean again in EC05?
[Epic 4G General] maldito.boss:
It meas march 05.... the last upgrade from eb13. E stand for year C stand for march and 05 the day so like this

Eb13=2011/feb/13

Ec05=2011/march/05

Hope u can understand lol
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
March.

10 charaters
[Epic 4G General] juryduty:
C = March (C is 3rd letter in alphabet == 3rd month in the year)

Edit: Damn everyone beat me to it very quickly!
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Thanks that was the one o forgot, i understand the other 2 ;)

WOW :eek: All three of those were almost posted at the excat same time!!

Oh since that means march 5th and they arent posting anymore they better release the update soon!! ;)
[Epic 4G General] amosher13:
Looking through the release files, it is possible that EC05 could be gingerbread. i noticed that all of the releases from DI18 through DK05 all still said 2.1 for the OSVersion Android. DK13 is where it changes to 2.2 but we all know that DJ29 and DK05 and other leaks in between were froyo. so who knows!

it wont kill me either way tbh, CM7 is being worked on. i'm a geek though so i'd love to see official GB but like i said, if it doesnt hit and i feel like my epeen is getting smaller (LAWL) i can always get the latest and greatest at that time.
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
I agree...its possible it could be gingerbread, but very doubtful for me.

And yeah, who cares about gingerbread when there's cm7?

Sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] houkah:
2/21.... 2.2.1... what if sprint has been holding it this entire time just so they could coincide those dates hahah. Far fetched, but can you really put it past the brilliant minds that think the kyocera echo is worth having an entire press conference about?
[Epic 4G General] snowmanwithahat:
You are very naive for even implying that we will get 2.3

I'm calling it now, no official gingerbread for the epic, ever

Sent from my Nexus S with a keyboard
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
I don't think he implied anything about us getting 2.3.

The problem with the all these companies moving so slow, and trying to get it perfect, is it's NOT GOING TO BE. There's just no such thing.

Get the show stoppers out. And offer periodic "beta" builds, where you're upfront about the fact that there are likely issues. Everyone would be happier. Those who wanted to wait until it's good enough could, those who wanted to flash every one of them could. Most importantly, it would be put through the real world paces, and tested that much better/faster.

All they do by delaying is increase the unreasonable "this better be perfect" factor even higher.