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[Ideos S7 General] raduque:
Couldn't have been. All of the apps you deleted reside in /system/app. That's on a completely separate partition from /data.

/data is where apps you install from Market go. It's also the space listed under "Internal Tablet Storage".

/system is where the system core files (and any pre-bundled apps) reside. There is no way to see the space free/used without going into a root terminal and running "df -h"

There is no way deleting system applications freed any sort of space on your /data partition.

It would be like if you had two hard drives in your computer, labled C:\ and D:\. Why would deleting files from C:\ free space on D:\? It's the same concept.
[Ideos S7 General] tedkitch:
Ok. I understand what you are saying. However, I'm just reporting what I see when I look under:

Internal Tablet Storage

Total Space = 175 MB

Available Space = 100 MB

After removing the .apk "bloatware" files from /system/apps the available space increased.
[Ideos S7 General] joenilan:
he's just being hostile and doesn't understand...

the bloatware resides in /system... now some of those files are Maps.apk which is an outdated version, and when you update it to the newest version from the market it installs to /data...

now...

it says it is updated, but we still have the outdated version which is still in /system taking up INTERNAL space. removing that apk from within /system and rebooting will add that much more space to your internal and the maps will still be installed because they are updated and installed to /data.

if you want to be so high and mighty, think before you talk.
[Ideos S7 General] joenilan:
also... data is installed internally, hence why we have the a2sd or links2sd method.
[Ideos S7 General] raduque:
I think you need to think before you talk.

Space on /system is not (normally) accessible to the user to use for storage of any kind. It's reserved

solely

for the OS' system files to be stored.

I think this is where you all are getting confused. Yes, the entire storage (including the internal storage) is all on the same flash ROM chip. But, it's not all contiguous space. It's broken up into partitions, and changes you make to a single partition does not affect any of the other partitions.

I'm not TRYING to be hostile, and I understand more than you think I do. I understand the underlying Android OS' mounts, whereas it seems you do not.

If you had said "removing these apps keeps them from running and using up CPU cycles and ram" I wouldn't have an issue with it. But, saying they free up space for the user to install apps to is just plain wrong.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alex209Cali:
I installed adobe flash from the android market .does it make a difference if i have 2.2.1 froyo serendipity.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alex209Cali:
Noob question. Btw
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mengbo:
market always has the latest version, while rom does not.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] F1R35T0RM:
No because flash 10.1 is only supported on android 2.1 not 2.2+
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] curioct:
I have a GPS application that I paid for and in most respects it's excellent but it does tend to crash a fair bit, but then I do have a shed load of app's on a rooted phone with lag-fix etc etc

the company's support are already leaning to towards 'its not our fault' any way I have managed to locate the config files I have installed gscript written a shellscript to copy known good versions of the config to the right locations and it works a dream gscript even lets me put a home page icon up great.

what I cant seem to find is the executable file or file name to call to execute the program itself? where are these usually found? I have been searching through /dbdata and all sort can still find the apk but not the name to call from my script?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] curioct:
OK so I found the answer in this thread for anyone else that might struggle with this issue

http://learnandroid.blogspot.com/2008/01/run-android-application-from-command.html

on top of that "root file explorer" will allow you to look at the relevant XML file inside the apk directly on your phone in the /data/app

quite happy with my little script :)
[G Tablet General] stanglx:
How can I determine the version of the class within an APK if the manifest does not have any version information?

This is odd for me being a Java developer - we always list the version information within our manifest in a JAR/WAR/EAR file... It seems in the android world its almost NEVER there..

Thanks
[G Tablet General] jerdog:
the manifest HAS to have a version in order to be posted in the Market, and an updated version in order to be uploaded. If it's not been posted in the market that's a hard one.... just poor developers out there...

Eclipse won't let me build an app unless the version has been changed....
[G Tablet General] stanglx:
Its funny... I was so focused on a JAR/EAR/WAR manifest and forgot this was android!!! Haaa...

Just for anyone else asking the same question:

The manifest for APK is AndroidManifest.xml

And you can parse this using a utility called axml2xml.pl to obtain version number. OR better yet use apktool to decode the entire APK.

Thanks... Justs need someone to get the juices flowing...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
Hey guys,

I've opened this new thread cos I want to know what SatNav software most of the people using on Leo Android. Also be good to write what maps u got, online services, whats the experience with it etc...

I've got Copilot + UK & IR + Europe maps

I don't using any Live services on it (for my reasons ;) )

When I had WinMo on my HD2 before I always had a TomTom so when I swap to Android (not going back:D to WinMo ) I had to find alternative SatNav cos TomTom is not possible on Android (yet). So my first go was Copilot. But to be honest I just can't withstand it for some reasons. I don't know why but I just don't like it. All is work like it should but its just not for me if u know what I mean;)

So than I've tested the Gmaps

I have to say I like this one. Looks really good, its free, updated automatically & constantly, no need to download the maps. Also its fast and i didn't have problem of using it at all.

But there is one bad point - u need constant data connection !

For some people that can be a problem cos not everyone have internet connection or unlimited connection on phone. And also another problem (for me too ) if u go abroad u need to pay a lot for roaming data connection.

So not really good for me cos I use my SatNav abroad few times a year.

And at last I have Sygic Aura + UK & IR + FR + BL + NL + DE + AT +SK

I've got that only for about two days but I have to say I love it.

Its look so nice, its similar to TomTom its fast & acurate. I like the 3D mode where u see all the buildings, etc in 3D. I didn't have too much time to test it yet so will see how its works in few weeks.

So for now my favorite - till TomTom come out or maybe by that time I chage my mind and i stay with this one;)

EDIT: Some guys mentioned to me they had a problem to run Sygic Aura on 2.3 ROMs so I've just tested it today on HyperDroidGBX-v10 what is 2.3 Ginger ROM and its working Perfect. So problem is not related to GB but to the ROMs !!!

So guys if u have a time just post some your experience with your SatNav

Cheers
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MattOG:
I use co-pilot. Just a note, you only need data at the start with google maps. It can go data free once it has the route.

Had the same as you, liked tom tom on winmo, as far as what I've tried, copilot was the best for me. Shame you don't like it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
when I tested gmaps i started it with data ON untill its loaded and planed the route.Than I switched data OFF. After a few miles I've done all the map details disappeared (white/blank). The route was still wisible with turn by turn navigation/information. So how is it ? I'm not sure if u don't need data all the time ???

What do u think ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
Not a big interest into this

Well, only only 1 reply to this ???

I thought it be more interest into this, whats the shame :eek:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Gushfevah:
I too was a TomTom person on WinMo. I tried the free trial of CoPilot that came with the HD2 and liked it, but seein as i had paid for TomTom i still used it.

On Android i've been using CoPilot & Google Navigation, which is awesome for free, and i guess being on Unlimited internet helps too.

Gotta say i switch all the time, both do the job of getting me where i want to go.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Life Engineer:
Well I'm using NDrive for now!

I don't like too much honestly; Garmin on Winmo was wayyyy much better but i have to stay with it because it's the only one i found to have Lebanon map :rolleyes:

If anyone of you knows a good place for such maps and knows that some other software has Lebanon map i'll be glad to be informed and i'll try it then! :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
Hi m8,

nice to see you posted some info here;)

maybe u know about this site but if not have a look. It helped me few times

hxxp://gpsunderground .c o m

And thanks for that signature info once again :D
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
Hi m8,

sorry to bothering u but any chance u post some screens here of running NDrive ?

Cheers
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] SMS92:
I still can't really move away from TomTom for WM long-term but in Android Sygic Aura is the best I've used. :) Very TomTom-like interface, fast, decent layout.

I've disabled auto zoom though as I felt it zoomed in 'too far' on regular roads. The menus could be a little more intuative too and there is the odd glitch in the sky. Wish you could add more info to the bottom (like TomTom) as I prefer having the satnav in portrait view in the car. Voices need to say "CROSS the roundabout 2nd exit, GO RIGHT at the roundabout 2nd exit, etc." too!

But as far as navigation software goes for Android, Aura is the way. Least for now! Google Navigation is decent too but lacking things like a speedcam db/layer.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
Thanks for your share.

I didn't have a chance to test Sygic for long route yet so thanks for info.

I loved my TomTom on Winmo. Hope they will make it for Android soon, but as we know the group behind TomTom apps working really, really slow. Releasing something new always take them ages :D
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
No more posts ?

Can't believe everyone is that busy.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] coldest~~~:
i use google map, i don't want care about using data since i have unlimited data plan. of course it's free, that's why.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] EViS:
Ho do you change the Google Navigation voices? Or any Navigation settings what-so-ever for that matter?

I'm using HyperDroid GBXv6 for the record.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
I'm not using google maps too much.but I don't think u can change it. its only in EN for now.

Sent feom my HD2 with Jaws MIUI
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lukesan:
Well I'm also addicted to satnav or gps stuff.

In WinMo there was only one that was the absolutely the absolute top and which stopped me for a while to switch to Android. iGO with the Gurjon skin was far ahead to all the competition.

Now in Android I tried a couple of them.

Google maps, ok'ish but you need an unlimited dataplan. No speedcams

Navigon: Tried it on my colleague's phone and ok

Now Sygic Aura

I bought Sygic Aura which I was happy with in the beginning but lets say that after I bought it went downhill really fast.

The pro's are the look , .... and that is it. It must be the most buggy gps around. In version 2.0 they forgot the speedcameras in the download.

In ver 2.11 and in 2.12 you don't see the arrival time which is a small bug according to them.

Then I found out that in 2.11 and 2.12 in alot of (big) streets you cannot search for a house number. a big no no for me.

Also I get the weirdest routing which makes no sense at all.

I reported the arrival time and streetnumber thing a couple of weeks ago but they don't seem to be bothered to help.

Not recommended anymore.

Now I am trying iGO with the motogis skin and I must say that it works perfectly.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Luke15153:
I use waze world.waze.com.

Its a community nav with realtime traffic infos.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jamesjf:
I tried Google Maps, but it's useless when the signal drops.

I have Copilot with the UK maps, and it works brilliantly. It does a couple of things better than Tomtom, I've got the Speed Cameras on it so that's all sorted too. Haven't tried anything else, as I don't need to.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Esaj2:
I use Copilot because it seems to be the best navigation for Android IMO. Back when I still had WinMo istalled my HD2 I used TomTom, but because it's not available for Android, I've switched to Copilot.

However Copilot has some good features:

- Speedcams

- Easy to use

- Quite good looking interface

And also some bad:

- I don't like the Finnish voice

- It not as easy to use as TomTom

- TomTom gets more often map and camera updates, Copilot not as often
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
never heard of this one.Ive checked the web page but its look its not for us from UK cos the very poor area coverage for now.

But thanks for your share. Good to know there is something new.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
Well I have Sygic Aura 2.1.2 and i haven't find any bugs.

Its shows the arrival time (but this is only on landscape mode !! ), all POI's, speedcams. Also I have no probs to search the house numbers at all.

Its weird that u have this bugs on yours.

If u want PM me and I can send u the app so u can try my version.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Luke15153:
In my area may be 20 people are using it => there is no real benefit of the realtime data compared to tmc.

But somebody has to start with it and I hope the community will grow very soon :)

There are some interesting features:

- you can add information when you drive around (like jam, police ..). This message are provided to the other clients

- you can modify the map (using a web frontend) for example to add new streets, correct bugs ...

- the map server is self-learning (corrects some attributes using the gps-plots of the users)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
is nice u can upload the things but what about if u go somewhere where the area is not covered ? what u do then ?

To be honest I think this is a good for fun but can't be used like proper satnav tool if u traveling a lot and mostly to the unknown areas.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lukesan:
Just pm'ed you 2 addresses that I had to go to in 1 week time. Try it and let me know if you can insert the housenumbers.

Also the very 'helpfull' response from the Sygic team from over 1,5 months ago in regards to the arrival time and addresses.

They don't even respond anymore to when it will be fixed. Money thrown away and to think that I recommended this to a couple of other people that face the same issues makes me very upset and angry.

Reading the other posts I will have a go at copilot.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
So I've tried the addresses what u mentioned and I can type and find the house numbers as u can see on the 1st picture

And also on my it shows the arrival time as u can see on 2nd picture

So I don't understand why is not work for u, its weird
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] abbi71:
I am using IGO

Well I can tell you I have a perfect working iGO My Htc Hd2 Runing android gingerbread 3.2.3 best SatNav ::cool:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lukesan:
Which version are you using? Trying it now on my 2.12 and no go

Ahh yes, landscape mode, well don't use that in the car, doesn't work in portrait since ver2.1x. Their comment about it 'it was accidentaly

removed' sighhh
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
I have version Aura_v2.1.2, thats the name of installation apk file

or if u want from Aura info "About"

Version 2.1

Build R-20021
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lukesan:
I have exactly the same version.

Already tried to reinstall from scratch and same result for me. I can enter a housenumber but there is no 'ok' or enter button in that street.

Versions below 2.1x worked ok.

How do you take screenshots?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
Yes thats true about "OK" button.

But u can just type the house number and than just press back button "hardware button" on the phone ;)

Thats work

And about the screenshots. I'm on Jaws MIUI ROM and this function is built in. I just hold "windows button-hardware button" and than press volume down and its take a screenshot.

And what about the arrival time ? Is it still not show on yours like my do ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lukesan:
Just tried the hardware buttons and doesn't work on Rafdroid 3.2

In landscape yes, but not in portrait.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Revhead:
Can you be more specific about which version of Igo you are using.

I was/am a big Windows Igo fan and it works very well under WM 6.5.

The version I'm using with Android is Igo My Way 8.4.2.139242 Apr 16 2010.

It navigates okay but it lacks the advanced features and fine controls of the Windows version, especially in relation to voices and speedcam warnings.

Until something comes along that works as well as the Windows version I can't see myself switching to Android full time.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] CasualStarlord:
Under windows mobile I used to use TomTom, it was good but the maps I had were starting to get dated, however TomTom was the only reason I was still clinging to windows mobile.

Now that Google Maps 5 is out and Navigation is now officially allowed in my country (Australia) I have switched full time to android (MIUI).

Things I hate about Google Maps vs TomTom

1. The voice nav is horrible (but I muted voice in tomtom anyway and never really use it in google maps)

2. The camera position moves in small smooth jumps every second (with each gps position update) instead of moving smoothly like tomtom did. Which I find jarring to look at on long trips.

3. It uses data and I don't seem to be able to cache maps, I haven't tried to use it out of range of a 3G tower yet but I imagine that could be a problem, I could be wrong.

Things I like about Google maps over tomtom are

1. It's Free!

2. Photo of the house your looking for (from street view) once your in visual range is awesome (haven't found a house that isn't photographed yet which is a little creepy, also it occasionally allows me to comment on their recent renovations which is awesome and makes me look creepy :P ).

3. saying "navigate to blah" and it launches nav and takes me there is awesome.

4. satellite imagery overlay and more up to date date maps.

5. Search for possible addresses that actually exist unlike the one I wrongfully type in is handy.

6. The interface is just easier to use.

I generally just want a rough ETA time and rough direction to travel in from my GPS, I don't really care about speed camera's because I tend to do the speed limit anyway, so I have fairly limited needs from the software. Google maps does this for free and with a few extra goodies that I never felt I would need but it's handy to have them occasionally.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Fedr0:
That's why I bought off the market Susan's voice from Loquendo TTS. :D
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
Navigon

Hey guys,

anyone tried Navigon for Android ?

If yes can you post some screens how is looks like and write some sentences about it ?

I'm interested to try it but it be great to read 1st.

What about UK map&POIs ? How accurate and updated ?

Cheers for reply
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] dusan22:
Sygic Aura baby B-)

I'm using Sygic Aura and I'm very happy with it :cool: It's very reliable, fast and intuitive. When I was in the process of choosing the best sat-nav for my HD2, I read as much reviews as possible (were up to that date) and came with the conclusion, that Sygic Aura is best for me. The main co-candidate was Navigon, but very limited UI with not much info on the dashboard. Since I live in Slovakia (Sygic developers home country) I don't have to worry about poor service coverage and premium support that is off the date.

In the old days (WinMo) I used Copilot Live 8 which was cool, but some of the premium services were unavailable in my country which was bad, of course when you want the best from an app, you have paid for.

So all in all, very smooth, very nice graphics (3D terrain, nice colours, dynamic camera movement,...) very nice GPS module integration (don't have to wait for a long time to find some satellites) and very good coverage (POIs, ability to send traffic jams / police controls) and many more :-)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rikardo1979:
thanks for your reply dusan.

I using sygic aura at the moment and I'm happy with it.but some said the maps and pois+cameras are not up to date here in uk.but I haven't find any probs personally till now.

that's why I wanted to try that Navigon but if u sayong the UI is rubbish thanits not a point to even start playing with it.

Just one more question, how do u compare the Navigon to Copilot 8 ?

I have a Copilot 8 too bit my opinion is the Sygic is much better in all ways - UI,controls,etc..

So if the Navigon is worst or same like Copilot than really not a point.

Cheers m8
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] dusan22:
Navigon is a truly good sat-nav but compared to Sygic Aura IMHO it lacks some goodies :-p The one negative on Navigon is that you won't see so much information on your display when driving, so you have to take your hand from the steering wheel and eyes from the road to get some vital info. Also it doesn't have so much UI customization options... But when you look at it from the other side, the UI is very simple and very polished (I believe that Navigon started its career on iPhones, so it has similar philosophy - simple and easy), which can't be said about Copilot Live 8 (again in my opinion ;))

Copilot Live 8 is a good nav system, but I always had the feeling, that it is a web of many unfinished parts, rather than a one complete unit. It still delivers the driving assistance effect. I can't say how it would work in United Kingdom, but here, in Slovakia it has only the elementary - basic functionality... which is kinda lame :( (no highway lane assistant, cops warning when payed $$ and so on)

Rikardo - you can go through this review / comparison written in slovak language of some sat-navs and make your own conclusions.

I would arrange the three navs in this order (best -> worst):

Sygic Aura -> Navigon -> Copilot Live 8
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bredep:
At the moment I'm using the Google navigation, mainly because I have been switching between different NAND ROM's the last few weeks. Since I'm only using the MIUI made by Jan Willem, it's time to try out a few different satnav's. Gmaps has been working flawless for me, but I just discovered that iGo has an Android version, so I'm definitely going to try that one when I get it. I used iGo when my Leo was still on Winmo, and on the PDA I used before that, so there's a good chance it will stay on Android as well.