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[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jackdog89:
Have you tried ORB? It may not be the easiest to set up, but you can stream anything you want from your PC over wifi and mobile data.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
This seems to be what everyone on the web thinks Sprint is unveiling tonight. Kinda cool imo

http://phandroid.com/2011/02/07/spr...ng/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Sent from my non-rooted, stock Epic.
[Epic 4G General] lazydazed:
If that's the case maybe the scientists blog might not be too far off with the froyo update also?
[Epic 4G General] abrognlie:
I have absolutely no faith in that part of the announcement. Meh.
[Epic 4G General] stevesprivateaccount:
Sounds like there was a Galaxy update released for Sprint devices today, however, it was the Galaxy Tablet that was updated, not our fair phone.
[Epic 4G General] imwillzillla:
That phone has to be one of the ugliest things I've seen in a long time

Ask me about my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
[Epic 4G General] dcowboys2184:
I rather be drunk and hump that cat woman looking model ...

Sent from jerry's world...
[Epic 4G General] dr_gibberish:
+1 to that. Also, it looks really small in the picture. I have trouble seeing how two small screens would really be an advantage in actual use. I'd rather have a big screen like the Evo, or perhaps a large screen and keyboard like the Epic!
[Epic 4G General] TorgoJohnson:
Found this when searching for Kyocera Echo on Sprint's website:

"The Kyocera Echo smashes the last barrier between you and the ultimate mobile experience. Its unique dual-touchscreen, pivot hinge design gives you all the space you need to run the apps that connect you to the people and information you need every day. Spread your work across all 4.7 inches of combined display or use each smaller display independently to run multiple apps. Closed, the Kyocera Echo is a pocket-friendly smartphone. Open it and expand your world."

Cant post a link, so you will have to search Sprint's site for proof.

4.7 inches combined??? I was interested when I first read it was going to 3.5 inches per screen, but unless they can figure out a way to make the screens come together seamlessly, it does not seem to be worth it.
[Epic 4G General] FoxRacR17:
Well if thats their big announcement then I am for sure leaving sprint and going to verizon for the thunderbolt
[Epic 4G General] wynand32:
Yep, verified. I see it as well, but still can't post a link either. Craziness.

I agree: 4.7" combined doesn't seem like it would be worth the potential issues. I mean, some companies have problems making simple keyboard sliders without problems, imagine the complexity with dual screens. I'd give it a shot for two 3.5" screens that combined to make a 7" screen, but not something like this.

I'll wait for my final verdict, but off-hand I think this won't be terribly interesting to me. I'd much rather the rumor about Froyo releasing today for the Epic be true...
[Epic 4G General] Gersonian:
Link here
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Also the picture in the phandroid link i post is just a render of the phone not the real deal. Read final line at bottom of article.

Sent from my non-rooted, stock Epic.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
Big deal. Honestly, what would you actually need two screens for other than novelty or somehow were able to do Nintendo DS emulation? I'd rather have a physical keyboard and I'm guessing 80-90% of the time that second screen's only real use is as a virtual keyboard. Nevermind what those dual displays will do to your battery life.
[Epic 4G General] snowmanwithahat:
I sincerely hope this is not the actual announcement.
[Epic 4G General] sydlexius:
Your math doesn't add up. To make a 7" diagonal equivalent with 3.5" screens, you would need four of them.
[Epic 4G General] iSaint:
Has a company ever release an update OTA in one night?

....if not could be a "industry first" lol
[Epic 4G General] wynand32:
Oh, yeah, that's right. I wasn't thinking about it correctly myself. So, since I'm dimensionally-challenged, what screen sizes would be combined to make a 4.7" diagonal?
[Epic 4G General] notoriouspyro:
Yup,... Just finished the stream. It is the Echo as the big announcement. And that is all... Engadget vid looks decent but IDK.
[Epic 4G General] sydlexius:
I couldn't find exact specifications for the Epic 4G nor the Echo or Evo, so my calculations are based upon the assumption that all of these devices have square pixels.

The Epic 4G has a 4" diagonal screen which yields 7.05 in/sq area. The Evo, with its 4.3" screen comes in at 8.15 in/sq. Each screen on the Kyocera comes in at 5.4 in/sq, so that leaves you with a very respectable 10.8 in/sq viewing area; over 50% more than our phone. The 4.7" equivalence doesn't make much sense as it's comparing devices that normally have a 5:3 aspect ratio to this device which has a 5:6 ratio (using both screens). If there were a product on the market that utilized a single screen at that ratio, then their numbers would make sense. A 4.7" screen at a 5:6 ratio nets you 10.86 in/sq, whereas a 5:3 ratio screen merely has 9.74 in/sq.

All of these numbers go out the door when it comes to watching videos, as this device currently can only do so on a single screen. Obviously your viewing area will be impacted by the aspect ratio of the content.
[Epic 4G General] reyex:
I actually think we should give it a chance, me personally most of the times at first glance I tend to not like things like these and then end up loving it. Who knows I might even try it, sprint gives me 30 days to test it out and it does look like a good idea!... just my 0.02
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Congratulations on being one of the 17 people who buy it.
[Epic 4G General] Skrewup5:
whos going to buy it though? its a piece of ****. and entry level android phone at best. a bricked moment is better in my opinion.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
The only reason I could think for someone to buy it is if they collect failed tech like beta-max, Gameboy Micro, N-gage, and now Kyocera Echo
[Epic 4G General] Mook1e:
I don't even understand why anyone would consider this phone against the competition that will be releasing surrounding it. More screen real estate? just swipe to a new home screen or buy an epic and you already have the full qwerty with better specs.

And this is going to be competing against the Atrix and other dual core beasts this spring? Garbage.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
the actual phone in the sprint link looks a lot better than that old prototype whatever the hell it is from engadget... but still crap. I was really hoping for a playstation phone... oh well...

How about an Asus Transformer or Slide with 4g and unlimited data plan??? Wait, that would make sense...
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
It should've had dual core, 3d cams (maybe 3 cams, 2 3d ones on the back, one 2mp ffc), wimax, and gb to be competitive.

Again, sprint missed its chance.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NewZJ:
+1, I agree
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] subcypher:
My friend absolutely loves his iPhone 4. I agree with him that it's the best phone for him... for one reason: it simply works. He doesn't like to tinker with his phone. He wants it to simply work right out of the box and he accepts the way it works. I prefer to tinker and make it work the way I want it to bloody work. If you tinker, use Android. If you accept the limitations of your device, use iOS.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zorachus:
I agree. The iPhone is the "dumb" smartphone, not to be rude, but for people that just want to hit the apps and that's it. They look at Android as some buggy, laggy, wannabe iPhone copy, that sucks. I look at it like a custom built gaming PC rig, optimized for the way each person likes it, and the iPhone is the standard BestBuy computer, it works, but that's it.

I also think a lot of iPhone users that have tried Android did so on crappy phones like MyTouch3G, or low end Droids, and that is a rough experience, and will make you run back to iPhone. Now lest see them try an EVO or Nexus that is rooted with good ROM's I bet they may like it then.

Oh well, my main beef is the tiny screen, 3.5" is just way too small. And the iPhone for sure needs to be jailbreaked to be fun and unique. But that screen is a deal breaker for me, like a wristwatch.

If there was an iPhone with a 4" or larger screen, and could be jailbreaked, that would be very tempting to me.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _MetalHead_:
This right here, if only for the gaming. Since getting my iPad, I have seen a TON of iOS games that I would love to have on my Evo, but unfortunately they arent available on Android and there's no way the Evo can handle them. The iPhone has a ridiculous amount of seriously high quality games, and that makes me a little jealous, tbqh.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] subcypher:
Another bonus the iPhone has is battery life. I failed to mention that because it's a given. Apple always wins on battery life. However, I have three batteries that are user replaceable. Take that, Apple.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xoreactionzox:
Lmao the tittle got me I hVe had ever iphone they all suck I have had a ton of androids there great including the epic 4g and the big daddy evo my fav which I had to let go now I got the galaxy tab and love it I really love the old g1 better then the iphone 4android is a beast and will be here for ever honeycomb is whats gonna make iphone users drop lol just the iphone drops call but evo drops jaws hahaha

How come all this iphone users are like oh that android looks kewl oh thats the stuff oh thats so good but at the end there like iphone wins I can onr click jailbreak but im to dumb to root

I really think thats the main reason iphone users wont switch bc there to dumb to not know how to read and just want a simple click
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zorachus:
Here is a pic of my home screen, nothing too different than stock, I like to keep it clean and simple. But would like to know how to get transparent app icons names ? Right now they have the black bubble under each app, is there a way to not have that black border, and just the white icon name only ?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _MetalHead_:
Elk Grove Village? Howdy, neighbor!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blakjak220:
Dont know if theres a way to do it without making your own icons... If you're so inclined you can just download the stock icons and make your own text at the bottom with a transparent background.. then just select to not show labels on icons in your settings and there ya go... I've done some like that and they look alright I just like to have no words on them...

Oh, by the way, you may want to post this to the Q&A section... or maybe themes and apps... just FYI
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zorachus:
Thank you.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roscoenr:
Try using desktop visulizer it has some options like that
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lacrossev:
Launcherpro and adw both have the ability to get rid of the shade behind the icon names, but they are completely different launchers than sense's rosie launcher so you won't be able to use sense widgets.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bkrodgers:
You're preaching to the choir here! You should go post that on an iphone forum. :-)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] erik077:
Howdy neighbor's ;) and Evo rules!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SilverStone641:
I've been trying to convince the fiancee since day one. she doesn't see the point of the evo. "My iphone works just fine. There's nothing wrong with it, why do i need a new phone??" :rolleyes: needless to say, i like to tinker and get 110% out of my devices, she just wants a phone that works.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frifox:
In oriental Japan, batteries are measured in MHz :D
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r916:
I like the iPhone 4, it's a cool looking phone no doubt, the screen is bright and nice, but I get bored with them, I like to customize **** so that's why I got an Evo.

Good thing it's on verizon now, so now maybe people can actually make phone calls without dropping bars or losing the call, I don't hate Apple, I hate att :)

Apple stores/employee's/customers just looks like a big cult to me, like when I step into an Apple store I feel really out of place, mostly hipster kids and nerds are in there.
[Android Software Development] Morkai Almandragon:
I was looking at my wifes DInc lat night and noticed something. Her battery icon is the exact same thing as Batti on windows mobile. I LOVED that indicator.

Anyhow she runs a version of MIUI which of course will never see the light of day on the DX. Is there an app out to do this, can it be made, or is it simply not plausible on a locked down phone?

For those that don't know, google Batti, it is by far the best battery indicator (imho).
[Off-topic] flyboyovyick:
I now have to wait until my mum comes home to open the parcel with my g1 in!!!!!

How annoying!!!
[Off-topic] JimJam707:
Isn't it a bit late to buy the G1?
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
Haha ;) Unlucky :D
[Off-topic] flyboyovyick:
Its about right if you can't afford it new!

Il have a Desire Z in 2014. :):):):)
[Off-topic] Skellyyy:
There are way better phones out there these days... you know this was like the first android phone? 3 years old... :p How much did you pay for it? :)
[Off-topic] flyboyovyick:
I paid £49.17 for it and its great so far!

Its running android 1.6, but not for long. Lol
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
Slap some froyo on it xD :p
[Off-topic] JimJam707:
Give it some ginger love ;)
[Off-topic] Canadaboy:
I'm waiting for my G2.2.1 ;)
[Off-topic] kdj67f:
Wow... my Tilt is running Froyo and its a WinMo phone!!!!11! :D
[Off-topic] MexicanDLyte:
Haha my old G1 has been collecting dust since last year! Got the HD2 and hated the OS then switched to the Vibrant before I figured out that you can put Android on the HD2!!!
[Off-topic] twitch351:
Ahhhh I remember my g1 :D I hated it. It was a lovely phone but the hardware on it drove me insane!

-Insert signature here-
[Off-topic] flyboyovyick:
Great phone! I has it in white with 2.2 now installed and cwm recovery.

Needs a new battery though:(

Only criticism is that it can be a bit slow at times
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prosciutboy:
I have an issue on my HTC desire as the battery gives me constant values:

- battery voltage: 3923 mV

- battery temperature: 24.3 deg Celsius

- Current:

* either constant to 8mA (after a full charge the current says 8mA for some hours if phone is in standby)

* or constant to 44mA (whatever I do, playing games, browsing, watching movies..., or doing nothing)

Those values can be obtained with the secret menu (*#*#4636#*#*), using the apps "Battery Monitor widget" and CurrentWidget, or from kernel logs (cat /proc/kmsg in terminal emulator).

Apart from that my phone behavior seems to be normal, and the power consumption seems ok.

For some it might not be a big issue but, as I am trying some ROMs and different kernels, I would like to get the real current used (in mA) in order to really test the power consumption.

I did already did some tests to understand where the issue come from:

- full wipe (cache, data, dalvik) to get a clean ROM

- try a different battery (battery reference are both 35H00132-06M)

- change ROM and kernel

but I always get the same values ! :eek:

That's why I suspect the issue to come from the battery sensor.

Now here come my questions:

1- Did any of you already had such an issue ?

2- Is the Battery Current sensor and Temperature sensor are the same one ?

3- Where are located those sensors ? In the phone or the battery ?

4- Do you think this wrong values could lead to strange phone behavior or damage the battery ?

Thanks for reading this boring post and even more thanks if you have some answers !
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Meaple:
If the battery is being used in the same way as another battery then the results will be the same. If your getting 44mA from using your phone then good. Power consumption is low. By turning the screen on and not doing anything, I get to about 120mA. To be honest, this just seems normal, nothing wrong here. Unless I am missing something everything is fine.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prosciutboy:
My problem is that every returned value is a constant, I don't see any changes in terms of current if my screen is off (even in airplane mode, nothing running) or if I play a game.

I still get the same current, voltage and temperature values. That's why I suspect the sensors not to work.

Now I would like to know where are located those sensors (in battery or in phone) and if this sensor issue could lead to potential problem... I suspect it could damage the battery.

Anyway thanks for your answer, regarding your 120mA with screen on is it a normal value ? how long does you phone lasts on a battery cycle using CM7 ?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prosciutboy:
Testing the sensor

mmh, my question does not seem to passionate lots of people :(

I have a new element, I installed the apps called z-DeviceTest and Temperature sensor is said to be not working.

Is there anyone who could try this app on his HTC desire and see if the problem comes from the app or from my phone.

Once again if someone could answer the following questions, it would be quite helpful for me:

Is the Battery Current sensor and Temperature sensor are the same one? and where are located those sensors ? In the phone or the battery ?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prosciutboy:
problem solved !

I went to the shop where I had bought phone and batteries and I made some tests together with the reseller using Battery Widget Monitor. It has been easy to find out that the issue was coming from the battery.

Actually I was unlucky, I had bought 2 defective batts ! Or at least the battery sensor was defective. The batteries seemed to work fine but because the sensor was broken I think that after some charge-discharge cycles the batteries might have been broken.

So in case you have such a problem, just try another battery.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aca902:
....:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aorifan:
damn it, it happened to my battery as well.:mad:
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 7_michel:
I have experienced the same problem and reach similar conclusions.

More details are given on my blog 78michel.unblog.fr
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 7_michel:
Looking more in detail to this battery caracteristics, I am now anxious about one point:

You observed , and I confirm :the temperature is always at the same level.

Looking more deeply at safety IC for LI-Ion battery , it seems that the NTC which normaly gives the temperature of the battery has also a safety component which prevent from extra heating and fire.

If the temperature is constant , may be it is beacause the NTC have been replaced by a resitor. This means that there is no longer any safety system active!!!!!

I am trying to check this point.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DirkStorck:
I have the same problems as mentioned above. Always constant 3923 V and constant mA drain.

I have bought 3 batteries from different sources all have the same problems

2 batteries have the S/N 35H00132-06M and 1 with S/N 35H00132-01M

The only battery that is working is the one that was shipped with my phone.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kepiro:
htc desire

i have the same problem with voltage indicator - 3923 mv even my phone is low on power or fully charged!

strange issue....

someone did find any answers till now?

i'm try'ing to change my rom from cm7 (7201) where i am now to another rom to see if problem persist.

i'll be back with some conclusions...soon!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Robcr:
I'm seeing the same issue with 2 bilitong gold batteries. Despite them claiming to be 1650mAh they test at little more than half that with jumps in the % left reported rather than a smooth reduction The batteries appear to be 'genuine' bilitong batteries as they arrived in the blt packaging and not just a battery with a lable.

They also only charge to 99% and the charge light stays orange when powered on although the charge light goes green when its switched off and charged

I would surmise that these effects are seen from batteries which are trying to hide what they actually are. aka the manufacturers disable, or more likely do not include the protection circuitry which

* reduces the cost of manufacture

* decreases the losses through the battery as there is less control electronics to power/incur resistance losses

* prevent reporting of what the battery state is and is doing hence indicate its true capacity.

this would also explain why some folk say that a battery melted/damaged their phones. :(
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UncannyValley:
Unfortunatly there are a lot of 3rd party batteries for the Desire who have bugged electronics inside.

I tried several 3rd party batteries before ending up with an original HTC battery, that works fine.

It seems like all those companies just buy the same electronics, assemble it with the cells and case and put their name on it. (polar cells, andida, etc.). They maybe check the values once, and because they seem legit, they think it is ok.

Im afraid those electronics are a big intended fraud, because the output seems made up to not be perceived so easily...

Unfortunatly sellers and manufacturers seem dont really care about their broken products, because most people just buy them and dont check for sensors or dont give a ...

But I do see some serious risk here, as others pointed out before:

if the temperature reported is always 24°C , the device would not switch off loading when the battery starts overheating, like it would normally do. IMHO this could lead to serious damage to the battery, device and surrounding. :(

If you get one of those batteries, I strongly recommend to get your money back.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Robcr:
Agree fully, especially regarding the overheating, which also likely means the CE labeling is false or at least unjustified outside of any tested ones.

Temp reported at 24.x even when phone is hot.

Mv always reported at 3923

Claims 1650mAh (or anything from 1500mAh up to 3500mAh in other Chinese batteries) but shows between 2-3 times the power drain of a old original battery (@ about 1100-1200mAh of original 1400mAh) whether under load or in standby if battery power set to 1650 in monitor utility, which means they are probably only about 750mAh real capacity at best under normal load.

I see when searching that shenzhen Himax (presumably not to be confused with Himax tw) seems to make some bilitong brand batteries, but there does appear to be a separate shenzhen bilitong unit/factory in poison province China (shenzhen, Guangdong Province).

Its quite likely the companies are related, and they may well be the sources for many if not most of these crap batteries. Its notable that these 'branded' bilitongs despite their very pretty and professional looking packaging had nothing on them stating a capacity rating, so anything could be claimed.

Pretty packaging wrapping a turd..

Happy to revoke this view if I am given any verifiable evidence (preferably me testing) to do so.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Robcr:
Just testing a bxt (baixt) claimed 1600mAh blue coloured battery which seems OK at least. (NOTE - not the gold coloured bxt with ridiculous 2450mAh claims).

Voltage seems to be reported OK although temp is wildly inaccurate in the one I have.

Seems to be testing roughly 1000-1200mAh with low standbye drain

So seems very OK at the price

Note this is testing on my backup zte blade/san fransisco where the standard batteries are lower capacity than on the HTC desire:

(1250 vs 1400)
[HD2 General] foxthemene:
i have htc hd2 stuck on white screen

i tried downloading the official rom from htc and flashing it in bootloader but it stopped at 0%

i tired flashing from the sd card but i got radio fail

i even tried to repair it using jtag and still the same plz anyone can help

current info:

pb81100 hx-bc

spl-1.42.0000 xe