yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] benc88:
SD/RAM/NAND?????????????????????????/

I would really like these questions answered too.

I know that so far NAND is more complicated ....

with 2 or even 3 partitions, from EXT2/3/4, < who knows which is best.

And NAND is not as fast as RAM obv but is much safer in regards to corruption.

I have found SD builds to score higher in flops and quadrant than NAND however which is strange. SD is easier to copy to device, other than that im sure all custom roms have their issues. including screen light on lag.

i have tried and loved darkstone ram edition which was rapid but just not all there is you know what i mean, and now after giving up on dandiests desirez3.4/5 in nand and sd after too many lags, crashes and data drops etc im looking at MCCM HD V4 or MCCM GB1.8 SENSE GINGERBREAD as these seem to be the most stable build with all functioning functions but i shall soon see how they fair.........

.............................greatest respect goes to all devs for you efforts

we're nearly there!

but please any input regarding these questions would personally b appreciated!:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Digital Outcast:
Ok, here's my 10 cents. Some of this is debatable but these are pretty standard answers.

Yes, speed, responsiveness, battery life, etc.

Battery life is typically better on NAND. Kernels can also make a difference.

Technically, RAM editions are faster but they are worse on battery life. Data stored in RAM requires constant power and does not survive a power cycle of the phone, therefore the data is stored typically to SD card, which also consumes more power.

Previous answer is why, more power consumption, data stored on SD.

They say NAND write operations take longer than an SD card but for the life of me I still find it faster when a ROM is running completely off NAND than off NAND and an SD-EXT partition. Or, NAND versus full-SD- there is a huge difference in responsiveness between read speeds. They are much faster on NAND than even a fast SD card.

Hope that helps...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Digital Outcast:
It can be more complicated... until you do it once or twice and fully understand how it works. Now that this has all been out a while everything is starting to standardize and more and more ROM's are using the same partition layouts. From a performance perspective there really isn't anything noticeable between EXT 2/3/4.

Oh, most ROM's now also use CWM, which along with an SD-EXT partition can leave you with up to 7 different partitions on your device. Fortunately, you don't really have to manage any of them as the ROM's do all the work once you've set it up once.

This is due to a slower write speed of NAND storage versus SD storage. But, because the read speed of NAND storage is higher you still get an overall feel of greater responsiveness and speed even though the scores are lower. NAND ROM's are easier to backup and manage via the CWM aspect.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] matejdro:
Possible problem may be higher amount of RAM needed. Especially sense builds would need a lot of RAM.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] djsolidsnake86:
the battery life in android roms, is better than original windows mobile?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Azerox:
speed battery and efficiency are the main reasons

Yes it has a beter battery life (imo)

Ram is faster memory wich will make everything very fast, but you have to fuzz with Windows Mobile (?) to get there and that is what people dont like, the I/O on RAM is very fast, thats nice and makes quadrant scores very high :)

Class 10 card is good for SD versions, but imo that is very outdated, NAND is the way to go, like real Android devices loaded from the phone memory, not ram or sd, wich gives a beter battery life and fast speed (almost like stock) .. and also important , no fuzz with Windows Mobile.

And rest of the data wich isnt on your phone mem can be get of your SD card with a NAND version, cause the phone mem doesnt have rly that much space left after u installed Android on it (enough for enough apps though), class 10 mostly means a faster speed, so it will benefit you in some way :cool:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Digital Outcast:
No offense at all, but I really tried to read your massive wall of text but I got lost after the first sentence.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] doopah:
I beleive that the custom android roms do last longer than original winmo. I love this 2.3.2 rom on my HD2. 2.3.2 on my gf's mytouch 4g last about 18 hours on moderate call/text/ use with overclocked on 1.3
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] djsolidsnake86:
for ex in win mobile, using the hd2 moderatly, how long the battery survive? and in android?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jotekman:
Wow! Lots of great info here!

I have been playing back and forth with different OS's and builds and SD builds and NAND builds etc. My phone is probably screaming at me to give it a break :)

As per responsiveness, the NAND builds (non-sense) seem to be a little snappier than the SD ones for me. The battery life seems about the same. Haven't had a problem with NAND space as I bought a US HD2 with 1 gig of ROM space, which is plenty for me. I haven't actually delved into the WM7 yet, but after reading this, I think I might give it a whirl and see what happens.

The biggest difference for me between the Android Nand/SD builds was the initial loading times. Which makes not that much of a difference because I tend not to turn off my phone anyhow.

The 2nd biggest difference is the wake from standby. On almost all the SD builds I tried, I would hit the hangup button, and the screen would come on in like 1/3-1/2 a second. If I accidentally hit it twice, I would have to wait 3-4 seconds for it to work properly again.... more presses seemed to do nothing. On a NAND build, it seems like the screen comes on instantly, and does not have the repress issue. But, then again, this is not a big issue for me at all.

The fastest build, by far, that I have tried so far is the Hyperdroid v5 build. It really does respond faster than almost anything I have put on the phone.

Thanks for all the answers people! It really helped to fill in the gaps in my admittedly shaky knowledge!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Yeah, sorry about that... I tend to try to fit too much info into a post all at once and I sometimes don't organize it well. I'll also ramble on sometimes to get everything out I'm trying to say and it ends up making the reader miss a lot of the important parts.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] aarong1174:
i understood it quite well..i think u have alot of valid points.. There arent big differences between sd/ram/nand...its a matter of choice imo..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] benc88:
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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chef2:
if its on sd card it will still load into android after turning off everytime right? i dont want to see windows anymore at all
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] bishan8:
Thank you for your post it has the best thought out points for and against, and greatly helped me in deciding which build to go for. :)
[Droid Pro General] Ronnet:
I really wanted to get a Droid Pro, the device to me seemed perfect the way it was out of the box.

I currently have an Xperia X1, nice device but I had to run a custom ROM to get the experience I wanted. And I didnt find the right one until a few months ago (2 years searching...). And even the ROM I'm using isnt 100% reliable.

Now I'm looking around these boards and I see people looking for upgrades. Is the original experience that bad? is it slow? Does it crash? Etc. I'd like to know because if I get this device then I'll want to use the official upgrade but nothing else.
[Droid Pro General] dutchbastard:
I guess it depends on what you are used to.

For me it seems that overall the use is fine. Especially since I froze a few unneeded apps.

But the battery life is horrendous. Ill eventually buy an extended battery because I hear good things about it but stock is horrible.

As for the pro itself, I can't complain really. But this is my first droid so I have nothing to compare to.

I had simply hoped I could customize a bit more.

In general I am not noticing any unresponsiveness since I froze some apps, added apps to the auto end list and started using a cache cleaner.

My only complaint is the battery, but that complaint is a big one.

In battery saver mode, using hardly any apps and making 15 minutes worth of calls lasts me 10 hours max.

Standby time of 13 days my @$$...
[Droid Pro General] Ronnet:
What about your data connection, is it on all the time? I can't imagine a new device having a worse battery then my 2 year old Xperia (which doesn't even have the greatest battery in the world, and it has a higher res screen as well).

But apart from the battery life your happy with the default device? Calling, text messaging, browsing, it's all snappy?
[Droid Pro General] freak4dell:
Battery life would be my only complaint as well, too. Other than that, I love the thing. Even without any customization, it was fast.

I do wish developers would pay more attention to it, but everybody wants the teeny bopper phones these days, so I can't blame them for favoring that crowd.
[Droid Pro General] dutchbastard:
Yeah 3G is always running, though in maximum battery saver mode it should shut down any data reception 15 minutes after the screen blacks out.

Come to think of it, perhaps it doesn't and this is my issue...hmm...

I have to hand it to Motorola though, 2 weeks after I got the Pro I chatted with their support to check for a solution, and they were kind enough to send me a battery free of charge. Stock battery, but still, I now have an extra battery in case I need it.

Anyway, yeah everything is snappy. I am not dropping calls, browsing is excellent (I use Dolphin HD for the tabs and addons) and text-ing works great.

I use Handcent for txt so I could set a different tone for some of my contacts.

I did have an issue with losing phone numbers, but I'm not sure what the cause is of that. Perhaps it's something I did myself.

But When I got the phone I connected to my old phone through bluetooth to get all my contacts, I then connected and synced to facebook so all contacts were linked to FB as well.

Somewhere along the line after wards I lost all my phone numbers and all I had left was the info from my FB friends.

Like I said I don't know what caused it and so I'm not sure if I can prevent it from happening again.

This may be something for you to look out for.

You know, it would seem I'm not that happy with my Pro, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

For one, I love Droid and everything that comes with it. Apps, widgets, games, browsing, everything.

Two, I got my pro for free since I went through Target.

Three, every phone has it's flaws. I can not imagine anyone not having at least 1 rather big complaint about their phone.

They simply take it as it is because they know it is not really a big deal in the long run.

I really wanted the Droid 2, but it was expensive for me. But I have no doubt that I would have a complaint about that phone as well.

So yeah, I am happy with my Pro.
[Droid Pro General] Ronnet:
I know every phone has its issues. But freezes and lots of slow downs are issues too great to have, in those cases I rather have another, more reliable, phone (I know they are out there, like my old Motorola KRZR).

Naturally smartphones are more complex then regular phones so more issues are to be expected but the problems I've had with the Xperia are some I don't want to repeat. Important phone calls that were cut when the phone freezed and text messages that took forever to sent because the phone had another slow down.

Seems the Droid pro is better then that, otherwise you couldn't be THAT happy with it. I'll have to look for a good importer though, I live in Europe. Netherlands to be precise, so being helped by a dutchbastard is always nice ;)
[Droid Pro General] dutchbastard:
Oh but I live in new York so I am of little help to you.

But yeah you are right. Problems like freezes are not the type of issue one can live with.

At first when I got my pro I got app after app and about a week in I had issues with slow desktop scrolling.

Then as I said I froze some apps and added all the non important ones to the auto end list and haven't had a problem since.

Do keep in mind that I've only had my phone for about 6 weeks now.

But I like it a lot. Initially I wanted the droid 2, but couldn't afford it.

At this point I think the only thing the druid 2 can offer me is a better keyboard layout wise.

But this thing does everything I wanted and more.
[Droid Pro General] gsu_golfer:
I have a Droid Pro and I LOVE it. It's completely turned me on to the Android world.
[Droid Pro General] justin344:
I'll second the extended battery. I had trouble making it through a day on the stock battery, with extended I'm usually at about 30-40% by the end of the day.
[Droid Pro General] rllong1:
I actually prefer to use the Droid Pro stock. Obviously there are advantages to to rooting. My main reason for rooting my inc, fascinate, D2, any phone I had really were the roms, wifi tether, etc. The advantages obviously outweigh the disadvantages but developers obviously aren't working with the Pro a ton so I havent needed the wifi tether, you can delete the bloatware and I did with my X and my D2 but I like using the Pro stock. It runs fine, Really, just my opinion.
[Droid Pro General] bako.li:
hi mate,

Hope you are right ... with stock battery cant last more than 6/7 hrs...with screen to autobr., killing all apps after screen out, nothing running appart from sync services for my mails,weather,facebook and twiter....nothing else, no calls, no msgs,no inet, no music , ...nothing and with that last only6/7 hrs......

so I really hope that extended battery that I ordered will fix my problem,,, I am happy to charge the device every night as long as it last trough the day and days are long- 15/16 hrs...

if leave this aside I love the device even the stock software is not to bad...

just really hope that the extended battery will make it happen ....if not ... I will sell it...:(((
[Samsung Mesmerize] i4get75:
Thank you!!!! I will test when I get home from work today.
[Samsung Mesmerize] johnboyjr:
Is it safe to use wireless tethering some one said it wasn't on the fascinate
[Samsung Mesmerize] dcow90:
Not sure. It's probably just as unsafe as using wireless tethering without a contract anyway. I'll look into it though.
[Samsung Mesmerize] sageDieu:
Thanks dude, you and Keith are awesome. I will try these ASAP.
[Samsung Mesmerize] davidbruington:
So with this new froyo ROM (I'm so excited!) There's currently no voodoo kernel that will work with this on the mesmerize, right? I don't care, I'm flashing it as soon as I can, Im just curious.
[Samsung Mesmerize] phidelt82:
No voodoo kernel yet. That will come in time. Hopefully I'll get a ROM built today. Then we will have themes coming.
[Samsung Mesmerize] BakedTator:
as soon as i see voodoo for this...im on it like white on rice!!!
[Samsung Mesmerize] dcow90:
It works 100% fine without voodoo.. you're missing out. And it's not like you can't add voodoo later once we get it ready (=
[Samsung Mesmerize] dfgas:
rooting

are we able to root froyo yet? can we just load up z4mod?
[Samsung Mesmerize] elijahblake:
ReREAD the First POST
[Samsung Mesmerize] droidroidz:
It comes pre-rooted :) Thank the sweet devs for saving you an extra headache
[Samsung Mesmerize] dfgas:
completely sorry about that...... :(
[Samsung Mesmerize] phidelt82:
It's pre-rooted.

YAY!
[Samsung Mesmerize] mesmerbelly:
im flashing now you can use one click lag fix for the time being it will help but i wouldnt use full time as it messes with memory
[Samsung Mesmerize] lilchubbz05:
You just made my day!
[Samsung Mesmerize] mesmerbelly:
voodoo kernel

there is a test voodoo kernel out that came with the alpha build of froyo does any one know if this will work ? im going to try it out ill report back
[Samsung Mesmerize] haymondroz:
I have voodoo kernel will this work.just asking as this is new too me.thanks
[Samsung Mesmerize] dcow90:
Please read the first post (= This comes with the 2.6.32.9 kernel (the 2.2 one we've been trying to get our hands on forever) No hacked up alpha kernel needed..
[Samsung Mesmerize] davidbruington:
You are awesome man, thank you so much for all your hard work and your time. I'm flashing this as soon as I get my lunch break!
[Samsung Mesmerize] afritchen:
and where, pray tell, did you get sgs tools?
[Samsung Mesmerize] mesmerbelly:
To anyone who wants to know where to get the version of sgs that I used pm me cant post in thread openly
[Samsung Mesmerize] userno69:
I am having a problem that I think I caused myself. Before I upgraded to froyo, I used Titanium Backup to back up the Email program which I use for my university and comcast email accounts. I backed it up so that it would save all my settings and messages. When I restored it once I had froyo installed, it seemed to work fine. But now I've noticed a problem.

When I press the compose message button, nothing happens. If I try to reply to a message, when I press reply, the phone will do a quick erratic vibration and then the program closes with an error.

Does anyone have any idea as to how I can fix it?
[Samsung Mesmerize] mesmerbelly:
You can upgrade to the tab email with sgs tools that might help
[Samsung Mesmerize] ehoba:
I did the same thing. I have a couple email accounts and used To to restore my settings and data. I have not had the problem you are having and even tried to get the error to appear. You might have to reflash 2.2 and try it again. I had to do that to fix a problem with gmail and it worked for me.
[Samsung Mesmerize] johnboyjr:
Menu-more-settings- auto fit
[Samsung Mesmerize] userno69:
It would be a pita to reflash and everything else seems to work fine. I went into manage applications and I cleared the cache and data for the email app and made my accounts again and it works now. Btw is long pressing the back button supposed to close an application? Because it doesn't do that for me.

Thanks, working now!
[Samsung Mesmerize] v_lestat:
nvm

character limit
[Samsung Mesmerize] dcow90:
Hah.. that'd be funny if it were true d=
[Samsung Mesmerize] BakedTator:
before he edited he said his still said 2.1 update 1...was gonna ask him a few questions about it but he edited his post so i figure he fixed it
[Samsung Mesmerize] v_lestat:
yeah i f'd up and grabbed the 2.1 md5 and flashed it.

ok so i lost clockwork, tried to install it with rom manager using the fascinate clockwork like i did before... it reboots tried to flash it and says md5 error.

now it wont try to do anythin when i say download clockwork and then reboot recovery, i mean it goes into recovery,, the samsung stock recovery but doesnt try to flash clockwork.

arrggg wtf ..

i suppose i will have to go back to the 2.1 clock work install method

also USB Debugging is greyed out and i can not select it... at all, no matter if usb is plugged in or unplugged.... uhm.... what happened?
[Samsung Mesmerize] msullivan:
Just a tip:

The Wi-Fi MAC address is coded into the ROM directly (meaning, it's not obeying the hardware-reported MAC address). For most people this won't be an issue, but for me it was a big one, because my university requires all MAC addresses to be registered before a device can access the network. I was lucky enough to already know what my MAC was before I flashed, so I was able to update it and keep right on going.

So for the 1% of you that need to change your MAC address, simply use the 'Android Mate' program to browse to /data, then open the file ".mac.info" in the text editor and replace the hard-coded MAC with your real MAC. Save the file and restart.

---

And in case you are wondering why having a different MAC would matter: the Mesmerize is very, very popular here, and MAC addresses are uniquely assigned to DHCP leases. So, should myself and another person attempt to use Wi-Fi at the same time on this build of Froyo, we'll be assigned the exact same IP and then get to experience the joys of network routing failures.
[Samsung Mesmerize] v_lestat:
i keep locking in at 1x RTT this morning and i dont know why...

so if the wifi mac is being ignored, then what about the CDMA mac?

also why is USB Debugging broken? i mentioned above it is completely greyed out i can not enable it, thus i can not use adb.
[Samsung Mesmerize] bdemartino:
To fix USB you have to select mass storage in your usb settings, vs. the "ask" option, this will allow you to change debugging (when unplugged).
[Samsung Mesmerize] v_lestat:
and i see why i dont have recovery... duh i didnt download the EA11 WITH recovery. jesus am i going blind or what.
[Samsung Mesmerize] obliviator33:
Ever since I switched to Froyo I have started noticing my phone's clock gets out of sync by a few minutes. Then once I make a call it syncs up again.
[Samsung Mesmerize] v_lestat:
anyone got a different link for USCC Froyo EA11 ODIN Stock + Root + Recovery

the one on the main page is broken. tried IE and Chrome.
[Samsung Mesmerize] dreamsink98:
Does anyone have a stock 2.1 rom that they are willing to share? What is the .pit file? I am new to flashing galaxy s. Thanks!!!
[Samsung Mesmerize] Tortuga1234:
Bdemartino's Newbies step-by-step is a must read! Its stickied in the mesmerize general section.
[Samsung Mesmerize] zarakand:
Thank you! I had the same problem, and just switched to Dolphin Browser, figuring it was an issue because it was a leaked version.
[Samsung Mesmerize] dreamsink98:
So I read the "newbe" go back to stock instructions. At this point I am just looking for some comfort........so has anyone here gone back to the original stock 2.1 uscc rom after flashing this 2.2 uscc rom successfully?

It feels kinda like when you are on a roof and need to get on the ladder to crawl back down but it is so darn akward.............well I just need that extra assurance that it will work.

Thanks!!
[Samsung Mesmerize] BakedTator:
i have done it several times just for testing out stuff on 2.2 to let the devs know its working...so dont worry...if you follow instructions well, then you will have no trouble...good luck with everything
[Samsung Mesmerize] hyelton:
Direct link I posted earlier on here still works

http://filehostonline.com/files/1/SCH-I500_USCC_EA11_REL_ROOT.tar.md5.zip

I can't wait til the official one comes out though
[Samsung Mesmerize] dreamsink98:
Just to make sure we are on the same page......this is the correct page....?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=881064

Thanks again
[Samsung Mesmerize] BakedTator:
that would be the 1 sir...that put you back to how it came when you first opened the box and pulled out the sexy phone!
[Samsung Mesmerize] ganzhimself:
I flashed back to the 2.1 stock rom and it worked just fine. Just follow the directions in the sticky thread at the top of the Mesmerize Android Development sub forum and you should be good to go.
[Samsung Mesmerize] bdemartino:
You were referred to my newbie guide because you said you were new to android and it basically just tells you (as a newbie) how to customize from stock 2.1 (but also has links to the information you needed to go back to stock) in case you wondered.
[Samsung Mesmerize] dreamsink98:
Thanks for the guide bdemartino!!!
[Samsung Mesmerize] dreamsink98:
So after running uscc 2.2 for a few days does it pay to go back to stock? I have been having battery issues as well. So will the battery life get better with time? Or is it time to flash back to stock 2.1?