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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cbstryker:
Ok, I know much of what I'm about to ask has generally been answered or discussed in other posts, but I could really use some more direct/specific answers to my own questions.

My first question is about hardware drivers. To my understanding, a great many, if not most, of the more common wifi drivers are incorporated into the latest linux kernels. If this is the case, will more or less any Android system run on a device so long as the appropriate kernel is provided?

To be a little more clear on that, I'm actually trying to learn Android development (both for apps and building roms) on a cheap Chinese tablet that I picked up. Naturally it already has a version of Android 2.2 pre-installed. However, I have not been able to extract the contents of the boot.img or the system.img, I keep getting an error, whereas I can unpack the SDK img's no problem. So I was hoping that I can get away without compiling a custom kernel, use the already existing one, and go ahead with tweaking the system.img from either the AOSP or SDK sources. Getting the source code from the manufacturer may be impossible since I can't even seem to find out who the manufacturer is or get their contact info.

I'm actually looking to port CM7 to my wife's LG Shine Plus eventually, but I don't want to pull a Tim Allen on her phone so I want to get some experience and feel for working with Android's internals on my tablet.

So my next question is still about drivers, but what I want to know is how are things like the LCD, touchscreen input, audio output, wifi and the cell radio handled on a typical Android device? Is it mostly handled by the hardware itself with the Android framework or kernel just passing universal APIs or do the drivers for each individual piece of hardware need to be compiled into the kernel? As in the gkisystem for radios, is this handled by the kernel or the framework? Which kinda brings me back to my first question, if it is built into the kernel itself, can I not use, for example, the already existing kernel on the LG Shine Plus (it's running 2.1) to port CM7?

Any and ALL help is honestly and truly appreciated. I've been looking for detailed answers for these questions EVERYWHERE.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cbstryker:
** just bumping this post so that it can get seen**
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cbstryker:
any help or advice at all?
[Touch HD General] MagicMans:
Hai all,

Windows Phone 7 can run in HD2..

Can someone tell me if its possible to run WIndows Phone 7 on Touch HD, if the HD2 Rom is reworked according to HTC Touch HD..??

I am begging our Super Chefs to cook a ROM of Windows Phone 7 for the Touch HD.....Please.....

As some winmo 7 phones only have 3.7 inch, it shud work on Touch hd...isnt..?

Also Processor can be adjusted by clocking..isnt it..?

I am not suure though...

Please discuss...

Thanks..
[Touch HD General] retsam88:
Surely it is possible, and not so hard as it would seem to be.

And sure, HD hardware is capable, but it would be a bit laggy at times.

The problem is that xda lacks dev support.
[Touch HD General] olyloh6696:
Are you serious, tell me you are joking?! The Touch hD Will 100% not run Wp7. it doesn't fill the chassis 1 requirement. it has a resistivetouch screen. NO EXISTING WM PHONE CAN UPGRADE TO WP7 (THEY ALL AVE RESISTVIVE SCREENS) apart from hd2

I'm sure this ha been posted many times before.
[Touch HD General] retsam88:
Dude, resistive screen is no drawback, true some function wouldn't easily be implemented like pinch to zoom, but its NOT impossible. As I said, devs are lacking will to do anything for older phones and that's the REAL issue. Deal with it.
[Touch HD General] olyloh6696:
True, no devs will support 'old devices' Get your facts right before posting. As part of the hardware requorements, the Chassis 1 minumum requires uliti touch capacitive screens. wp7 WILL NOT BE SUPPORTED ON TOUCH HD! unless someone smart enough can rewrite the touch drivers and digitilizers to match the resistibve screen which i think is VERY DIFFICULT and highly unlikely to happened.. most apps require multitouc

h.

Do some research.
[Touch HD General] hrk7474:
You might also consider that devs lack time to support everything.
[Touch HD General] MagicMans:
but i think will work, becoz android is a mutitouch capacitive screen software, and still the android (even with sense) works in Touch HD...

So windows phone 7 should work....I hope...

Anyway I got windows phone 7 working in touch HD using throttlelauncher, it is exact same as WP7 in front page, and some pages are actual one...

I am happy with it...:)
[Touch HD General] hrk7474:
Could you tell us how you got it to work?
[Touch HD General] MagicMans:
This the youtube video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqwrw4fwxAM

Download and Install the Windows Phone 7 Here..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=859799

Remember to Use Activesync to transfer files.....it doesnt work if you copy from memory card.
[Touch HD General] MagicMans:
Can someone tell me will it work if I install the windows 7 for HD2 on Touch HD from memory card?
[Touch HD General] olyloh6696:
You are incorrect. Android is not designed for capacitive. it was designed for both resistive and capacitive. There are many resisitve touch screeens running amdroid natively. But WP7 was designed ONLY for capacitive. Try installing it from your SD card then... But you will only result with a non-bootable bricked device...

I highly highly doubt WP7 will be possible on any other wm device (apart from Hd2)
[Touch HD General] MagicMans:
lol.... i knew that i would brick it...

But there are no resistive screen android devices....is there..?
[Touch HD General] olyloh6696:
There are MANY resisitive android devices. LG Optimus GT505, Alcattel etx...
[Touch HD General] hrk7474:
That's just a theme for winmo 6.5

In this video, we take a look at the latest version of Fireslave's Windows Phone 7 theme for Windows Mobile 6.5.
[Touch HD General] rb_daman:
the windows phone 7 link is just a theme. It doesn't actually give you windows 7 capabilities. It's pretty good though, however the Froyo X Red build is now a very clean and fast build, and is much faster than this windows phone 7 THEME if you ask me.

Android is THE way forward :P
[Touch HD General] Chef_Tony:
i agree about android. however, i must say, i actually prefer a good windows phone 7 theme to the actual OS, because it comes with a lot of functuality and the slick interface, without actually having all the restrictions of windows phone 7, like the lack of windows mobile app support, copy & paste and a system wide file and registry explorer. actually i love, that i am able to send anything (even cabs and mp3) to other phones through bluetooth and other great freedoms, that come with the old winmo. even more a reason to hope for a fully working android on the blackstone. it offers the great 3rd party app support of wp7 or ios with many freedoms and full customizability.
[Touch HD General] olyloh6696:
+1 file sharing is a great must have for me. Is this possible with amdroid?
[Touch HD General] warfae:
looks nice:)
[Touch HD General] MagicMans:
Is there anything sepcial in WP7 other than live tiles..

I used the theme for 1 day....it is good to scroll down and up...then go to pages etc....but there is nothing to do in it.....in android u can do so many things..

Do u know anyother specialities of windows phone 7..?
[Touch HD General] if08009:
i'll try it... nice info..
[Touch HD General] Mjuksel:
for me the WP7 theme / program keeps freaking out..

cant go to homescreens when ive did something in the start menu, its very buggy.
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Themes and Apps] big ach:
Hey guys,

I got Swype working on my Archos 70.. Works great, no problems. I installed the one which is 480X800 (made for the EVO, Desire and Epic)

In Landscape mode some of the last buttons are shaved off due to Archos' soft buttons but still works fine.

This is is the link for the apk: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O7XRKWBR

Note to Mods: I'm not sure if I'm breaking any rules by posting this Swype APK, if I am please feel free to delete this post.
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Themes and Apps] ske714:
Confirmed! My wife thanks you also.
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Themes and Apps] melax:
Did you gents have to turn anything off or just select it and it worked. As I have tried that one and another and I can't get either two work on my 70? Thanks
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Themes and Apps] big ach:
First select it under settings.

Then open up any text box (E-mail, chat, browser address bar, etc) press and hold on the text bar and when the menu comes up, select 'input method' , then select Swype.

You do it once and it will stay with all apps, unless you turn it off in the task manager.

Hope this helps
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Themes and Apps] Sandyman538:
Thank you for the APK!
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Themes and Apps] R3sidu3:
yeah sorry I would've posted mine awhile ago but I thought it was against forum rules but I guess not but flipping the bar fixes the clipping and the thumbs keybord is more functional for daily use btw
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Themes and Apps] big ach:
Hey, what do you mean flipping the bar?

I used thumb keyboard, still prefer swype to be honest. Its faster.

SlideIt seems faster than swype actually, but I hate the UI and I dunno why its sooo huge, as one other xda member put it, slideIt is the clown shoes of keyboards lol
[Nook Color General] Oskiee:
Hey there boys and girls. As most of us, im getting tax return money pretty soon, and im of course thinking of the many way to spend it. Im considering getting the nook and putting Honeycomb on it. And im wondering, for those of you that have been using it, how well does it work, and is it worth it... or should i just get me somthing like the Galaxy Tab and wait for 3.0 there.
[Nook Color General] woot1524:
I had it installed on mine for about a day, then I went back to Froyo. Even though there has been great progress made by awesome devs in porting it to the nook, it remains very buggy.

The code is driverless and drunk.

I won't go into all the little ones, but a big bug was that it hosed my boot partition. Had to revert back to Eclaire before putting Froyo back on.

Bottom line:

A rooted stock eclaire nook color is damn close to a streamlined tablet. It's just missing Flash, also some performance issues.

Nookie Froyo is day by day closer to being the daily driver OS.

HoneyComb is a ways away from being reliable/usable
[Nook Color General] imacmill:
Hi everyone. First post here, and I think I may get some 'trolling' flack for what I'm about to say, but I gotta say it anyway: If you're considering buying a Nook Color, I would seriously reconsider and look at an Archos 70IT instead.

I actually own both of these devices, and I have to say that the Archos is hands down the better device. It runs Froyo out of the box, and has amazing media playback support. Basically, there ain't nuthin' the the NC can do that the Archos 70 can't do better and faster.

Now, the major complaint with the Archos is shoddy build quality (at least in comparison to the NC), and there's no doubt that that's absolutely true. But I have to say that contrary to what you might think, this is actually an advantage. Yep, an advantage, and here's why: It's waaay lighter. I use my tablet mostly for reading, both books and internet, and I do a lot of that reading either lying on the couch or in bed. And I do it with one hand. Because of the lightness of the A70, I can hold it up for pretty much as long as if I were holding a paper novel, but I cannot say the same for the NC. It is a veritable brick in comparison. With the NC, I constantly have to adjust it in my hand, or change hands altogether, to avoid cramping.

I pretty much only use the NC for amusing myself with custom firmwares (Honeycomb was fun, but as others report, very buggy). When it comes time to actually pick up a tablet for 'real' use, it's the A70 every time.

It's just too bad the A70 isn't getting anywhere near the love that the NC is (i.e. Honeycomb), but I suppose it's no matter anyway because using a different firmware destroys the A70's superb, factory-supplied multi-media experience.

My 2p. Flame away.
[Nook Color General] spikey911:
I do not own an Archos, but I tend to agree with the last post. If you want a tablet, buy a tablet.

If you want an e-reader, buy the Nook as it can function as both a tablet and a reader.

The Nook lacks several features that most tablets have.

The Nook is a fantastic and capable device, but it is always best to buy something for its native purpose.
[Nook Color General] imacmill:
@spikey911: But the Archos also works as an e-reader, and for the reason I stated above (lightness), does it better than the NC. I have 3 reader apps installed: Kindle, Nook, and Aldiko, and they all work great.

Another point about the A70 is that contrary to reason, the plastic body is stickier than the spongy rubber coating applied to the back of the NC, and thus it doesn't have a tendency to slip out of my grasp when holding it with one hand. Go figure, but it's true.

Oh ya, and when I wanna watch a movie in bed, I just swing out the A70's kickstand and plunk it down...no need to hold it up. It's a thing of beauty.
[Nook Color General] Slashdot123:
I would get the Nook...cheaper and works great!
[Nook Color General] imacmill:
But not as comfortable to use for reading, has horrible video playback support, and lower CPU speed (without OC). It's cheaper for a reason.

Gotta make sure the OP makes the right decision. Decide what you want to use it for, and if the answer is:

1) as an Android tablet with full Market support

2) as a versatile e-reader

3) as a multi-media device

4) under $300

Then the A70 wins hands down.

My final words. Good luck, Oskiee.
[Nook Color General] kwx:
I just got a Nook Color this week and currently have it set up to dual-boot Honeycomb or the stock OS (for video playback). So far I'm pretty happy with it, and it's definitely a very hacking-friendly platform. Honeycomb works surprisingly well and looks slick. It has known issues, but works fine for many essential applications such as the browser, Google Reader, and Fruit Ninja.

According to the Engadget review (engadget.com /2010/12/24/archos-70-and-101-internet-tablet-review/ - remove the space, I'm not permitted to make a link) the Archos 70 has a very glossy screen with poor viewing angles and questionable build quality - I haven't seen it myself. The NC screen is excellent and it feels very solid.

Overall, I'd recommend the Nook Color if you enjoy OS hacking and are willing to put up with some glitches, or if you're satisfied with its out-of-the-box functionality (but then you'd probably not be reading this forum). If that's not what you're looking for, you'd probably be happier with one of the alternatives, but you'll have to make compromises either way in this price range.
[Nook Color General] ChrisJ951:
Lower resolution destroys ever wanting one of them for me. NookColor wins in my opinion because of that.

Also, the nook color weighs less than 1/10th a pound more. Actually im reading conflicting results, so im not really sure on the weight difference
[Nook Color General] imacmill:
Granted, the NC has higher rez, but they're pretty close, and in practical terms, the difference is fairly meaningless. How will you make use of that minor rez difference? For video, with software decoding? In that case, the NC's slower CPU will have to push more pixels...not good. Don't get me wrong. I'd love for the A70 to have the NC's screen, but for my money, the difference is not worth worrying about.

As for weight...since I own both, I'm in a position to say, without citing pound values, the A70 is tangibly lighter than the Nook. Enough so to make one-handed reading comfortable on the A70, but untenable on the NC. Of course this is completely dependant on a person'S hand strength, and while i don't claim to have kung fu grip hands, I'm no weakling either. Your mileage will vary.

I firmly believe that if someone was given the opportunity to use each device for 24 hours, the majority would choose the A70. Since this is not an option for most, they will likely fall victim to the A70's 'questionable build quality, crummy screen' argument (neither of which are accurate), and buy the NC.
[Nook Color General] khaytsus:
Except that the A70 doesn't have the market any more than the Nook Color does. And it's not exactly a tablet for gaming, if that's important to anyone. It does have bluetooth at least.
[Nook Color General] solas989:
I will chime in on what swayed me to the Nook.

I look at the what ifs as well as the daily uses. If something goes bad with my Nook, I have a 3 physical BN stores within 25 minutes I can return the nook to. On the very unlikely chance that I have a bricked nook, that does me no good. But I could possible feign ignorance and return it anyway.

With Archos...they have a notoriously horrible track record for warranty work. That is the main reason I went with the nook. I have read over and over again horror stories of working with post sale issues on the Archos line...now take that with a grain of salt because I have not had personal experience...just what I read at other places.

All that said...I love my nook and it does 98% of what I want it to do. The lack is the flash. As for video...I have no issues. I already had many pre converted movies I could plop on it and view. As for a kickstand...there are so many cheap or free things you can do for a stand.

On final thing to consider is outputs...the nook doesnt have them...unless you just want 3.5mm headphone jack. The Archos does.

Good Luck
[Android Themes] catiebug:
I have checked on both my phone files and SD card files and cannot find the "com.teslacoilsw.widgetlocker-1.apk" file.

Yes, I do have widgetlocker installed and I even uninstalled and reinstalled but the file doesn't show up in the data folder. There isn't even an app folder in the data folder.
[Android Themes] nozerogravity:
App2SD? Try system/sd/app folder.
[Android Themes] catiebug:
It won't even let me move the app to my SD card.
[Android Themes] nozerogravity:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=868423 - Download the app, open, and try to find WL on the app list.

If WidgetLocker is installed then it's no way You can't find it...
[Android Themes] catiebug:
That's what I don't understand. I can't even go under and move it to my SD card from the applications menu. The option is grayed out.
[Android Themes] nozerogravity:
Ok, more info please:

- What app to navigate system files do You use?

- What phone?

- Did You tried the ADB Mask Controller?
[Omnia II General] athlonoc:
Hi all

Is it possible to just change the CSC file on I8000 as my first rom flash a few weeks ago failed. Almost bricked but saved the phone with Grand Prix and old stock rom.

Since understanding things more, I'm aware I have CSC for B7610

In full it's B7610INUJE2

I have just flashed a new rom which is just the one for me and it seems fine but I just can't help but think I should have a CSC file for I8000

So can I just flash CSC with Octans or Grand Prix program and if so will it alter the how my phone functions at the moment.

Thanks

Lee
[Omnia II General] abdelrahim:
yes...you can flash the csc file alone but you will need to backup your files and do a hard reset before and after flashing the right csc( preferably the same version of your pda )
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
The Telus version was released today. If anyone gets one or tries it out in store, could you report the software/bootloader/etc version information to this thread? Is it the rootable build or the one that needs to be downgraded?

And second - if it's the one that needs to be downgraded - is there any way whatsoever to take a nandroid backup of the stock ROM before proceeding to flash a downgrade? Because I'm pretty sure there won't be a stock firmware available for months. The Telus (non-HD) Desire didn't have a RUU available until Froyo came out.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funk2641:
Android: 2.2.1

Baseband: 12.35d.60.140fU_26.06.03.24_M2

Kernel: 2.6.32.21-gb291666

htc-kernel@and18-2 #1

Wed Jan 19

Build Number: 1.84.661.1 CL325795

Software: 1.84.661.1

I'm running the Telus version on At&t
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
Damn, so I guess that's not the version that can get easy S-OFF?

Would there be any conceivable way to nandroid backup this ROM before downgrading?

Let us know how your hacking goes on this phone.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jkoljo:
Nandroid is not possible before downgrading, and that can be rooted most likely, you can try my downgrade guide.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funk2641:
Yeah, I have big plans to give you method a shot after work tonight.

Will report back
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
Okay so if nandroid is out of the question... perhaps you should at least take a backup of the directory /system/app which you should be able to do without root.

Would it be possible with the temp root before downgrading, to dump as many partitions to SD as possible? Would this be any help in getting the phone reverted later on to approximately stock?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jkoljo:
It might be possible to dd the **** out of partitions while doing downgrade, because psneuter gives root shell. If you know dd, feel free to try it! Then a good ROM cook can turn it into a flashable ROM. Take at least the system partition.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
Sure, I'm no expert but the partition table is listed here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=944841

So I think it'd be something like:

dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p25 of=/sdcard/extracted_system.img

et cetera, for as many partitions as necessary.

Are the .img files produced by this method going to be in the same format as those used in a nandroid backup? One would have to create a proper checksum file I think, in order for Clockwork to be happy about restoring.

But yeah if we get a dump of a stock Telus Desire to the extent possible, then it could allow a restore image to be made.

Obviously you wouldn't be able to restore system.img while the phone is booted up though. Does dd work over ADB in custom recovery?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mafiaboy01:
I have one running cm7 right now, the only problem is that I don't seem to have sound.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
Did you have sound in the downgraded ROM prior to CM7?

Did you do a full wipe before flashing CM7?

You might want to try taking a nandroid backup and then trying other ROMs instead such as generic unbranded or CM6.1.3, just to see if the sound issue is specific to your phone or to CM7.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mafiaboy01:
Ya i tried other roms but didn't work. I know I had sound on stock but not sure about after downgrading. I got my phone replace and don't really wanna kill anotherone.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chepeliyas:
One stupid question. Can I put a different Sim card in the Telus Desire HD out of the box? I want to buy one directly from the Telus website, and I won't be using int in Canada, so do I need to activate it or something before I can use it with a different type of sim card?

It's amazing how hard it is to get a new phone with the right 3G bands!! In my country the only 3G bands available are 850/1900, just like AT&T, so the Desire HD will be the next best thing after the Nexus One.

Thanks for your help.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] equlizer:
K so you've rooted the new telus desire hd and you have no sound? Which instructions dido you use? Do I have to downgrade first? Just got the telus hd and want to root asap :)

Side note, are there unlock codes for this phone yet?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mafiaboy01:
Ok, first you have to downgrade

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=905003

Then you have to s-off to get permaroot

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=857537

Then download clockworkmod from market and flash the recovery.

And keep an eye on the sound at every step.