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[HD7 General] Sean D.:
Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.

Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.

I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.

While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.

Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about. ;)
[HD7 General] jimbonics:
Truer Words.
[HD7 General] Nissan350:
Good points. I'm very happy with WP7 and it feels great to be off Android. The platform is still in its infancy and there is not a doubt in my mind that it will evolve and become even better than it already is. Of course, the evolution would just be added pluses.
[HD7 General] mike21pr:
couldnt have said it better myself :-)

what ticked me off about android was the overall inconsistancy in both looks and performance, and until now that i own a wp7 device, i never understood by what ios and webos users said when they called it "clunky". now if i see what i saw in the honeycomb demo come in some way or form to smartphones (awesome graphical interface, ease of multitasking, and overall polish and consistantcy) i will come back in no time. but untill then, thanks to the mess that is software updates for android. the only one i would consider is a nexus device, and i dont plan on jumping through hoops to get one till i see the update and basic overhaul it needs. im perfectly happy with my hd7
[HD7 General] jimbonics:
Zune works well for media once you get the hang of it, and since you like your Live account so much, utilize the SkyDrive feature for cloud storage of documents. This second comment on this thread is a great idea for how to quickly access it...

http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/56adcec6-08ce-4d86-aa67-27dda1433fa0

Yes, access to the SD card would be nice. I suppose they're looking to cut down on support calls?
[HD7 General] rousso:
Android is not a phone; its a geeky toy

I bought an HTC Desire in August 2009. My HTC TyTN had just died and I couldn't wait for the late release of WP7. Android was such a disappointment. Market was unavailable in Sweden (it is open now), the UI looked disgustingly ugly and the whole experience was so much lower than descent. The only thing I really loved about Android was the notification system. I also have an iPhone so Android's notification system seemed totally like a blessing. Nevertheless Android just felt like another Google experiment. A geeky toy for Google lovers. I'm not a Google lover. Not because their products are so bad; They are bad, but I could forgive that. What I can't stand in Google is their daily bragging about their coolness all over the web while their products are actually years behind what they could really be had they cared about anything else than selling ads and hooking people onto their so called platform(s). So if I am to make a compromise on a product I am really more willing to compromise for Microsoft. Unlike newcomers like Google, Microsoft has proven over the years that they do have a vision about software and they do work on it. Google has no vision about the web other than dominance. They have a vision about advertising. My "vision" about advertising is that it is an old solution to an old problem which I'm not so sure will even exist for long in the so called "new economy". So I just sold my HTC Desire and bought an HTC HD7. I know that I will miss the WiFi tethering of my HTC Desire. Hopefully not for long. Like I said I can make a compromise for Microsoft but find it pointless to make a compromise for Google.
[HD7 General] unit_three:
Android just felt cluttered to me. Yes, you can customize it as much as you want but personally I dislike the mess of widgets and icons. I was never happy with my home pages.

My phone doubles as my MP3 player and the WP7 audio playback is much better because of the HD7's sound enhancer. The sound equalizer I had on Android would only work on MP3s, not on other file types.

Pinch to zoom to WP7 is really really really good. Also the GPS on my HD7 finds my position significantly faster than my Android phone (would take several minutes to lock on). Bing maps really isn't bad so I don't know what the fuss is about. Sure there's no voice navigation, but I never used it when I had Android anyway.

Anyway my main reason for switching was that I hated being left behind while new phones are released with updates. Literally the way to upgrade with Android is to buy a new phone or root the phone. Problem with rooting is that each ROM has it's own little quirks and I didn't want to sacrifice functionality just to see a higher build number. IMO if you have to root in order to have the phone "work" then you're doing it wrong.

I do miss some things like the control panel and swype, but that's about it. So far so good.
[HD7 General] evolutionqy7:
I think from most of the posts above we can agree that WP7 is a clean functional minimal UI. And once the update comes in it will be one to brag about :)
[HD7 General] fnordelus:
ex-android user

I love android, and I still own several Android Devices, and I've been using android since the G1. Android (like many have said before me) reminds me a lot of Windows Mobile (and I loved windows mobile).

Why I made the switch:

Well, not to offend anyone, but WP7 seems to be a more mature OS, not in terms of functionality, but in terms of it's minimalist approach.

It's like comparing:

A tricked out Honda: http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/honda/tricked-out-honda.jpg

and a Cadillac CTS-V Coupe: http://photos.leftlanenews.com/phot...mbnailsnew/me-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-09_620.jpg

It's probably faster, and more elegant, but less flashy, and less customizable.

Ultimately it's a matter of preference, personally I'd chose the Caddy
[HD7 General] tfn:
Just a note to one of the above posters

Messenger by Miyowa is the official windows messenger and has been confirmed by microsoft..

I have a HTC hero for almost over a year now and Intially wanted to go for the HTc desire Hd but because of stock issues ending up buying a htc hd 7 ( have been a crazy nokia fan until now)

ANDROID : I Just love the customisation and the rooting and the open source, Personally I love all the different stuff I can do with Android, and am a flash junkie of roms just for the heck of it,

I love google products and am big fan of google maps with navigation and I feel HTc is the reason as well I love android they really made a good couple until now.. as others are catching up .

WINDOWS ; Had never used one until now, I liked the different approach but was dissappointed with the lack of apps ( its new os so i understand), and the apps are quiet expensive and no free apps to replace them yet.

Their Xbox gaming is quiet good although I dont use Xbox and yeah ms office is another plus of MS

I think the best is the email intergration just love that and the browsing experience on my big screen is out of this world.

another plus is like google you are linked to the cloud so uploadin pictures and stuff is straight forward and the ability to wipe or find your phone when lost is goody ( htc has done this on its android range with www.sense.com now)

I feel MS has taken the best of both android and Apple and made WP7

Verdict : I still love android and will go with an android device in the future as its moving faster for the better than anyone else, Wp7 has catching upto do and I aint that patient.

So might sell of my HD 7 and go for some more android
[HD7 General] cmo879:
Im just recently coming from android I used to have a samsumlng vibrant. The phone was great but the lack of support from samsung made me give up on them. Besides I've always wondered what windows phones are like :)
[HD7 General] Sean D.:
I pretty much already do. And MS lies in their commercial. Yeah i can look at the screen and see what i need to see, but I can't put the ****er down. :-\

That ain't a bad thing.

Perfect analogy.

I have nothing bad to say about Android at all. But I'm glad I held out and waited for WP7. I do like what I've seen from it, but as much as I feel like a hypocrit for saying this, it's 'fragmentation' maight be it's biggest down fall as well as it's asset.
[HD7 General] Sean D.:
But Android looks/feels so much like WM. And the iphone (IMO) is the 'prettiest app launcher' on the market. I was never gonna buy it, but I tried to like it... I really did. But I was never impressed with it at all.
[HD7 General] JWhipple:
I'd have to say that the fact that they will be rolling updates out to all phones regardless of carrier or OEM at the same time is probably one of the biggest selling points for me to consider WP7.

That's the one thing I absolutely hate about Android - sure, it's the same "OS", but every phone model has a totally different build.
[HD7 General] trentmaynard:
oh lord

It's not as complicated as it seems. They all have there benefits and there downfalls. But in my opinion if you like ios (iPhone) or wp7 (Windows phone 7) then you probably shouldn't' be a member of this site. The name of the site is called Xda developers. Not ' let's make the most of this closed off platform) if you don't know differences between these devices then you could probably be happy with any phone for the stupidest reason. I'm not trying to sound jerk I'm just saying is all
[HD7 General] trentmaynard:
P.s

on a more constructive note, I've had almost every awesome that has ever came out and have used there operating systems thoroughly. and as others have mentioned it really depends on preferences. if apps is your thing and you feel like they bring more life to your phone and give you more value for your dollar. then the iphone is the way to go. not just because they have more apps. but because their apps are more polished and innovative. the iphone's interface is very intuitive and easy to use. the same can be said about windows phone 7. accept wp7 app market is extremely lacking. this is because the phone is still very new. in time their selection will grow. although it is my opinion that it will never happen because the platform will fold just like the microsoft platform before it. I'm sorry to say it but its true. in the same amount of time that android has been around microsoft has basically failed with windows 6.5 and those other phones they made I don't even know their name lol and all signs point to slow adoption of this newest platform. to behonest I'm betting that nokia is probably going to almost completely collapse because they are expecting that windows phone 7 will, you know what I'm not gonna bad mouth poor microsoft any more. but android is not as polished as either of those 2 phones. but its pretty damn good if you know how to use it. with so many models and brands to choose from. I wont be a bit surprised that in the end. they will be the only ones left. but only time will tell
[HD7 General] falconeight:
My first smartphone was a mytouch3g and it opened my eyes to what was out there in terms of phones. I then went to BB with a bold 9700 and though that there is nothing better but after a year the web browsing experience and cheap hardware did not match what was coming out from Apple, HTC, and Samsung. I then bought a Nexus one and thought it was the best phone ever made and still have and use it to this day. Android does have a lot of flaws I own a Nexus S and like the hardware but the os gets choppy there is no real entertainment value to the phone. Like Netflix or hulu. I also owned an Iphone 4 but the small screen and the os seemed dated. I got bored with it quickly. I currently own a HTC HD7 and a Nexus S. I use the HD7 way more than the nexus s. The simplicity and smoothness of the OS make the phone a joy to use. I also use netflix regularly and battery lasts a few more hours. WP7 is still young but it is extremely polished and works well. The people/facebook app is beautiful. I don't like zune to much but compared to nothing that comes with android its great.
[HD7 General] Androidfanatic2:
Tired of having a phone that only fully worked 25% of the time,

Frequent force closes, laggy keyboard, frequent force closes, not booting up most of the time, frequent force closes and oh did i mention ****ing frequent force closes.

I upgraded to htc hd7 after looking at the tmobile website, it looked like a must have phone, can't say im disappointed ;)
[HD7 General] jemaho:
I'm working with both Android and WP7 daily. And although I go for myself with an HD7, when it comes to my customers, I always advice Android. Why is that? For the simpliest reason Microsoft will never learn his lesson right when it comes to make its own products work together.

Simple example is OMA. With an iPhone or Android, it's configured almost out of the box. But with WP7, that's another story when your phone doesn't trust the certificate coming from, duh, a Microsoft server. So, just for that and to spare myself too much hassle, in a work and network environment, I go for Android.

Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
[HD7 General] Caticorn:
A family member got one free and it is on lend.

I would never pay money for it. It's an amazing interface pulled over crippled functionality (basically what the iphone was to 2007).

I would love it as a front-end interface for android.
[HD7 General] tlerner:
I feel the same way. I used to spend a lot of time arranging icons across the 6 screens only to forget what's where by the time I am done! And I did not really like the whole widget thing (I think Sense is far better if only WM 6.5 was not so clunky). Some say there are a lot of apps in the Google Market, but seriously folks, how many of those do we really need or use? Besides, Android looks a lot like a polished version of WM 6.5.

WP7 is usable out of the box which is a BIG improvement over its predecessor. For someone who uses the basic things mostly, sms, emails, and the people hub WP7 is the answer. Within a tap or two I am in my desired application, writing email on this keyboard is a breeze, and I found myself writing looong ones in no time, just because it was so easy (and fun).

There is nothing wrong with the Zune Music player, and I love the marketplace especially because it allows me to sample albums and songs before I go to the store and buy a CD.

I feel MS is here to stay with its new platform.
[HD7 General] Sean D.:
I think you are seriously mislead. Opinionsare whatever they are, but your info is way off.
[HD7 General] fnordelus:
Are you ****ing kidding me? Seriously. Who are you to say that?

This site is about making the most out of our devices, which is why you have Android Ports on Windows Mobile based phones.

Just a reminder WP7 is an evolution of Windows Mobile, albeit nearly unrecognizable. What makes this site awesome is that it isn’t biased and judgmental like your post above. I have a Nexus, and Evo, a Blue Angel, an HTC Univeral, an XDA-Flame, a Touch HD1, Touch HD2, and many more.

Should I be a member of XDA-Developers now that my primary device is the HD7?
[HD7 General] yantin:
I had the same problem. Windows phone 7 seems promising so I'll stick with it for a while. The market is qrowing quickly and the apps that I loved are coming to windows 7 so we''ll see.
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
exectly....

i asked my friend from apple, about the different set of icons she has on her iphone4... wp7 is simpler no hubs....

and also, how many apps will u need 10 the most (which you will use everyday...)

i like WP7 as its simple 2 screens for almost everything..
[HD7 General] garrette:
I came over only because my HD2 running desire HD android was stolen a week ago. I've had HD7 for a couple days now and for me its not even close to what im used to. The phone design is a plus but im used to being able to customize a phone the way i want. So sad to say im sending this phone back asap and probably going to another cell company as TMO has no phone in their lineup close to the HD2. well unless a DEV finds away to root this thing.
[HD7 General] JWhipple:
I took the plunge today... I picked up an HD7, and I can honestly say that so far I am impressed! I really like how Microsoft laid everything out. I like the fact that it isn't overly customizable while still having a fully functional device without having to root it out of the box.

I am a little disappointed in the audio output from Slacker Radio - I use it in my truck with an FM transmitter to the stereo and the volume is very weak, but other than that I havent found anything else I could complain about! I tried the HTC Audio enhancer - didn't make any difference.

14 days to try it - we'll see how it goes!
[HD7 General] JWhipple:
Call me petty but the audio output thing is really going to be a show stopper for me unless I can find a work-around. I rarely ever listen to the radio, only streaming music via my phone into the truck stereo.

I'm not sure if this is a problem that is isolated to the HD7 but I seem to recall reading that it's widespread. Maybe a problem with the Slacker application in general.
[HD7 General] jimbonics:
How does the audio compare to the FM application that is included. I know it doesn't make sense to use the FM app streaming through an FM station, but for comparisons...

Otherwise how about a Zune tune?

Only time I find Slacker audio levels lacking (slacking?) is when I'm on the scooter.

And just to be sure, your volume is all the way up to 30, right?
[HD7 General] JWhipple:
Volume is all the way up. I haven't tried Zune, but the FM App is fine.

I didn't realize there was an update for Slacker until I went to the Market this morning and downloaded - will have to try it on the ride home this evening.
[HD7 General] JWhipple:
Nope - no change in volume .
[HD7 General] unit_three:
If you don't have subs try using SRS Enchancement setting on the Sound Enhancer app. If you do have subs skip that since it distorts the bass. I have subs and I use "new age" under equalizer and then up the settings on my head unit a little to make up for the low output from the phone.

FYI my head unit saves individual settings for every input so I just upped the setting for my AUX input only. If yours doesn't do that you may want to consider getting one that does so it's less of a hassle when you switch between radio and phone input. Also I noticed that the output on phones in general is pretty weak since my Andriod phone was no better.
[HD7 General] JWhipple:
Actually, EVERY Android phone I've used with the same FM transmitter was perfectly fine. My stereo goes up to a volume setting of 30 - I couldn't stand to turn it past 20 on any Android phone - including an HD2 setup with Android via NAND. With the HD7 I crank it all the way and the hiss from the background noise is louder than any music coming out, and the music still isn't loud enough.

This is literally the ONLY phone that I have had this problem with.

The OS is great - I love how everything is laid out and how well it runs, but I can't live with this problem. I don't know if this problem is isolated to this hardware or to all WP7 phones - maybe I'll try one again at a later time but I am going to have to return this phone.
[HD7 General] unit_three:
I guess I don't understand why you use the FM transmitter on your phone to play the radio in your car instead of just using the car radio itself :confused:

Maybe I misunderstood. I really haven't used the FM transmitter so I can't attest to it's quality. I haven't had any major interference playing regular music (mp3s, etc) off the HD7, besides the normal buzz when calls or texts come in and it's usually only when I'm in bad reception areas (reception in north dallas is pretty good).

I know what does increase the interference on play back is if I'm charging the phone and playing music at the same time. Interference like hell, but probably cause the USB and headphone jack connections are right next to each other. Maybe this is the issue you are having? Just trying to help.
[HD7 General] JWhipple:
LOL You ARE confused LOL :-)

I play streaming music from the internet on the phone. The audio is channeled through the headphone jack to my FM transmitter on 91.1 MHz and then I tune my stereo to that channel.

The only thing I have done with the FM radio on the phone is turned it on to see how the volume was to see if it was better than Slacker Radio (which is a streaming audio application).

I don't listen to the local radio stations - they are garbage and I HATE the commercials.
[HD7 General] iDOPEhoes:
personally , i left because i liked the look of the phone , and i thought i could install android like i perviously did on my hd2 , so im still waiting for someone to figure it out .
[HD7 General] garagebandking9:
I was around here a couple years ago when I had an AT&T Fuze and loved the ROMs you guys cooked up...

That phone went the way of the world around this time last year and I jumped to VZW and went with a Droid...

Android was pretty nifty and apps began pouring in quickly so my initial disappointment with the lack of apps was tempered...

Overall the phone was quick and the interface was pretty decent...I also appreciated that everything was geared towards Google...

Of course then VZW began sending out OTA updates and Android went to 2.2 or whatever it was and the Droid became a pain in the butt...

My phone and the girlfriend's phone suffered from multiple SMS issues (especially the sending of messages to unintended recipients) and lag was atrocious...

VZW sent out a warranty replacement that had the same issues...

Numerous phone calls to VZW featured terse customer service and upon our final discussion with a nicer gentleman...we became aware that the text issue was inherent to Android and that VZW had no idea when an update would be available to rectify the problems...and that they'd be waiting for quite some time...

In the end VZW allowed us to either get another warranty replacement (no thanks)...pay $150 for a Droid 2 (no thanks)...or just deal with our Droids...

We came to the conclusion that night that we would jump to T-Mobile (good service around here) and pay our ETF fees while picking up HD7s for free...in the end the ETF was balanced out by the free phones and the cheaper service plan made the decision to switch a no-brainer...

So we have HD7s that we're waiting to have activated sometime today...

I made the jump because I'm pretty familiar with WinMo and figured this would be a natural progression...AND because it got me away from Android which lost its luster...
[HD7 General] unit_three:
Oh ok that makes sense now :)

I'm guessing that the HD7's antenna is on the bottom of the phone and this causes issues with the FM transmitter you have attached. Sorry that your FM transmitter and the HD7 don't get along, but there are ways around that (using an AUX port), or Bluetooth/FM combo (http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9382610&postcount=6).
[HD7 General] SugarMouth:
Funny you say that! I feel the same way and had a HD7 for a while but the app performance is sooo slow! When WP7 gets their apps working like the rest of the OS I'll be back!