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[Focus General] mcorrie1121:
Sorry if this has been addressed, but I haven't seen it anywhere.

Got my Focus just under two weeks ago. Added an SD card, no issues before nor after the SD "fix."Starting yesterday my phone started randomly turning off. NOT resetting, as no data was lost, and it turned right back on.

I'm fairly certain its due to minor jarring, and is therefore a battery connection issue. I'm going to go ask for a new battery at the ATT store and try that before asking for a whole new phone.

I'm curious if anyone else has experienced this. Also, if I got a new Focus, can it reformat my SD card, or is it locked to the specific phone?

Thanks guys.
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
its your sd card.... even though there is no data lost the turning off and back on is it rebooting ... you need to try a card thats been working.... there is a nice list on here or just buy a samsung one..

you can try a format and try the card again but theres a good chance it will happen again...btw what sd is it?
[Focus General] mcorrie1121:
16 GB Sandisk, class 4. It doesn't turn back on on its own, though. I manually turn it back on. Kind of like if I did a battery pull, it would shut off and I'd have to manually turn it on.
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
Pull the card, leave it out and format... If the condition continues then its the phone, but I'm betting it will work fine.. Here's to hoping. It is strange but certain sd cards give this phone fits... the format is power off. Press n hold vol down,camera,and then power. Keep all pressed till you see the format screen pop up... Hope this helps...
[Focus General] mcorrie1121:
Well, I put in one of those Samsung cards in from that ebay seller, and next day got a similar turn off, so I'm gonna say it's the phone.

If I switch it out in-store, can another Focus reformat the card, or am I gonna have to borrow one of their Nokias?
[Focus General] amtrakcn:
Your Focus randomly shuts down or reboot?

Captivate had random shutdown issue, wish it's not on Focus.
[Focus General] mcorrie1121:
Shuts down, have to manually turn on. No loss of data.

And I've reproduced it by setting it down on a hard surface multiple times, so bumps seem to be jarring something.
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
when you get your new phone just plug in the sd card and do the format.... it will set the card up in that phone.
[Focus General] mcorrie1121:
LOL I found this out after I was told ATT doesn't even sell Symbian phones. Good to know.
[Focus General] antiquegamer:
So did exchanging the phone solve your problem? I have 16gb SD card (sandisk class 2) it was working fine for the first two month, but last month the phone start to randomly reset about once a day. I took out the sdcard and battery reseated them both (not resetting data) and it seems to work fine for about 2 weeks (may be one random reboot once) but last few days the phone would reboot everytime I set it down on hard surface. It doesn't do it all the time but do it enough to be annoying.

I really don't want to exchange the phone unless I have to.
[Focus General] mcorrie1121:
If by reboot you mean it just turns off, then that's what I was experiencing. I changed SD cards and it came back the next day.

I just switched phones today and haven't seen it yet, but I'll get back to ya in a week. Switching phones wasnt too big of a hassle for me, though, so you might just try that now while you're in your 30 days.

If it keeps happening, I don't know what phone I'll switch to. Shouldn't have jumped on that Zune 12 mo pass just yet. :(
[Atrix 4G General] babluc:
Cnet just put up a review of the Motorola Atrix, one of the most anticipated smart-phones. AT&T has blocked the ability to download 3rd party apps :mad: . "You can't install third-party apps" and goes on to say "No change of heart on third-party applications, as that feature is disabled on the Atrix."

Google's(andy rubin) response is to say let me market decide. I truly agree with this statement but when the carriers are in power (two year contracts) it doesn't let the market work. General consumers dont know know the difference between android phones. Consumer assume since they are getting an android phone, all android phones are the same. This blocking of 3rd party apps creates a bad user experience and users will blame android and not the carriers.

( http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/motorola-atrix-4g-at/4505-6452_7-34468396.html?tag=rvwBody )
[Atrix 4G General] theimpaler747:
Moved to Atrix General ;)
[Atrix 4G General] Battleship:
ITA.

Looking on the slighter brighter side, CNET also said this (emphasis added):

It's not enough, but it's a start.
[Atrix 4G General] Aridon:
Side loading apps is such a trivial issue on any device, including devices on AT&T. Root not even required. So for the tiny percentage that want to do this (like rooters) the option is there.
[Atrix 4G General] berlintzen:
No Third party software? No "FREE" bootloader? No reasonable laptop dock price? It really destroyed the purpose of open-sourced software.....I guess AT&T kills the fun of having an Android phone.....I went from "must have one" to "might have one"...sigh.....
[Atrix 4G General] sp_1st_timer:
My last 3 phones were not purchased from AT&T because of similar issues. AT&T modifies the phone to disable installation of anything not coming from their store.

I've been considering switching to a different provider because I find it very expensive to buy unlocked phones just to get them in their enabled state. I know I would lose the flexibility of using the phone around the world, but I don't travel that much.

Is Verizon doing this same thing on their phones? If not I may consider switching to them. How about Sprint?
[Atrix 4G General] Battleship:
AT&T restricts third-party apps, which means you can download only from the Android Market - which is not AT&T's store, btw.

As far as I know, AT&T is the only one of the 4 major carriers that blocks 3rd-party apps. As previously mentioned, getting around that restriction is extremely simple and does not require rooting the phone. The Sideload Wonder Machine, for one, is very easy to use.
[Atrix 4G General] shadowscreation:
has no one in here heard of the side-load wondermachine come on seriously when theres a will theres a way thats my way around att crap O rama
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
The point is we shouldn't have to find ways around it, and buying these devices only says that it's OK to at&t.
[Atrix 4G General] shadowscreation:
i know what your saying.but considering this is one of atts top o the line phones minus the bs tethering plan for laptop dock(totally ruined that for me by the way). im just hoping that the bootloader isnt crapped up im gonna wait a little bit on buying this till i know theres a way to custom rom the crap out of this phone so ya thats what im waiting on before i decide i want this phone or not if not owell there will be better ones later on this year im sure so guess we will see how this all works out

note to everyone i like grammatical errors and run-on sentences thats what makes life fun
[Atrix 4G General] peachpuff:
Relax... thats what xda is for.
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
No kidding. Do you really need to get your panties in a wad about sideloading? That's like complaining that it doesn't come rooted from the factory.
[Atrix 4G General] babluc:
Yes i get that but im talking about common users. Common users will not use XDA or root there phone. Im also not talking just about just this phone. When carriers do stuff like this, it effects how people view android and its ease of use.
[Atrix 4G General] Aridon:
Common users aren't going to be side loading to begin with. If its not in the market they aren't going to care. If they care they can google it and find XDA or the plethora of other sites that detail the simple few step process.

i agree it shouldn't be an issue, it is and its an easy fix so I don't worry about it. Efuse is a bigger issue to development that this. If it does have efuse I won't buy it out of principal and I'll get an inspire.
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
Agreed. Anyone who wants to sideload can figure it out. Its probably the easiest hack you could possibly do on your Android phone.
[Atrix 4G General] DumIam:
I know I found out about the side-load wonder machine long before I found XDA. But it just wasn't enough for my Captivate lol. Always wanted more.
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
And the Cappy always needs more! Here's to hoping the Atrix doesn't. :D

At least in the performance realm, it doesn't seem too need much help from hacks. Although I'm looking forward to seeing what can be accomplished...
[Atrix 4G General] tosh1:
This phone is a powerful machine to begin with. I will be happy once I can root just to delete any bloatware that I can't delete out the box. Sideloading will be nice too..

I just don't like the Motorola interface, launcher pro will be my first install..
[Atrix 4G General] smeadow:
I have decided pass on the Atrix due to pricing tech concerns. I am looking forward to the samsung i9100.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zolah:
Hi everyone.

Im making some video tutorials for beginners/first time flashers showing how to flash a custom kernel and customs roms etc.

I will upload some more video tutorials soon on how to force download/recovery mode through adb; repair bootloader for 3BR and some more!

As i state in these videos, sometimes its easier to watch how to do something than try and read how to do something and this will collate tutorials into one thread

NOTE: Make sure that you have 3 button recovery mode working before you try and flash anything!

Flash anything at your own risk.

I or anyone else will not be held responsible for any damage done to your phone!

Make sure any lag fixes are turned off!

Full credit goes to the awesome developers whose products i used in these videos!

This video will teach you how to flash speedmod kernel to your stock firmware via odin.

[YOUTUBE]EQLMfWvSAS0[/YOUTUBE]

This video will teach you how to install a custom rom (Darkyy's rom used in this tutorial) via CWM recovery. See above video on how to flash a kernel to get CWM recovery onto your device

[YOUTUBE]BqgZUr08Lak[/YOUTUBE]

This video will show you how to install and use ADB, and how to push your phone into recovery or download mode through ADB.

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This video will show you how to fix the 3 button recovery mode if your is not working. (See how to use ADB video above to push your phone into download mode).

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This video will show you some more features of ADB, such as pushing files/apk's to the device... Pulling files/apk's from the device... deleting files/apk's from the device... How to make a new folder on the sdcard and also how to move files/apk's around the phone using ADB.

[YOUTUBE]Pqd8NZRVkZQ[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zolah:
Reserved

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[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] DamianGto:
nice. i hope this will reduce the question about it.

keep going..

**DamianGTO Steam kernel. 350MB Ram. 500HZ. all ext2. Steam Rom. Js5**
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zolah:
Thanks mate,

2 more videos uploaded ;)

As you said hopefully this will save a lot of threads about these questions and collate it all into 1 thread.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] DamianGto:
i will look into them later.

you should write some info on the link to your videos so all can see what they are for.

**DamianGTO Steam kernel. 350MB Ram. 500HZ. all ext2. Steam Rom. Js5**
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zolah:
Good idea. Ive wrote a brief description of each video. Check them out and let me know what you think mate.

Let me know if you can think of any other video's that may be useful for begginers. I think ive covered all the basics here, but if you can think of any more let me know. :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] mloc33:
Great work man, I think that video tutorials make things a lot easier, keep her up!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zolah:
Thanks.

Im glad you like it =P
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] oodh:
Hi thanx for the tuts. Is it maybe possible u make some kind of "how to" of pushing an apk into the system. That would be great!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zolah:
Sure ill make one some time this weekend when i get time.

Dont know when it will be though im pretty busy this weekend.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Tricky103:
Great work zolah.

Nice thread.

Tricky103 UltraSlim Essential Rom
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zolah:
Sorry i havent had time to make the video yet but ill make it asap. I'll make one that shows how to push apk's; pull apk's; delete apk's; create files on the SDcard and list apk's in different directories

Thanks im glad you like it Tricky
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] zolah:
I have posted a new video up on the 1st post showing some more features of ADB... Enjoy :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] oodh:
Thanx

Thanx a lot for the latest movie. Really helpful!!!!!!!
[General Questions and Answers] Omnichron:
how do I remove all internet access possibility on it. I just want him to be able to make phone calls. no data plan. Thanks guys.:D:D
[General Questions and Answers] Omnichron:
in other words I want to remove web2go:p
[General Questions and Answers] Omnichron:
god I regret buying that phone for him. It is a piece of manure. the touchscreen feedback sucks and it is symbian not android os!:mad:
[General Topics] babluc:
Cnet just put up a review of the Motorola Atrix, one of the most anticipated smart-phones. AT&T has blocked the ability to download 3rd party apps :mad: . "You can't install third-party apps" and goes on to say "No change of heart on third-party applications, as that feature is disabled on the Atrix."

Google's(andy rubin) response is to say let me market decide. I truly agree with this statement but when the carriers are in power (two year contracts) it doesn't let the market work. General consumers dont know know the difference between android phones. Consumer assume since they are getting an android phone, all android phones are the same. This blocking of 3rd party apps creates a bad user experience and users will blame android and not the carriers.

( http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/motorola-atrix-4g-at/4505-6452_7-34468396.html?tag=rvwBody )
[General Topics] LordManhattan:
Nice find. With that in mind, RIP Motorola.

Sent from the future.

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[General Topics] TheForgotten:
Agree. Its a disgrace. Its a open source os yes. but dont kill core functionalities. Its giving people a bad view on android. Apple would scream bloody blue murder if that happened
[General Topics] tangstang:
That's AT&T for ya!
[General Topics] TheForgotten:
various other carriers around the world too.
[General Topics] mrkite38:
But they're going to try and make the bootloader dev friendly, right? Don't make me lols.
[General Topics] tangstang:
I see the rogers in your avatar.... oops, I'm current on the US carriers but as far as the other carriers around the world I'm not 100% up to speed. So screw all those carriers too!:D
[General Topics] FLAC Vest:
Yea it sucks when they do it but, well you know they must get a cut from doing it.

If they didn't there wouldn't be so much fragmentation on the market.

Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
[General Topics] rajasyaitan:
With that in mind, always buy unlocked phones!
[General Topics] leblid:
unbelievable how can they come with such a thing :confused:

"- boss I have an idea to boost sales: let restrict users from installing third party apps..."

"- this is a stoning idea! let's do it... "
[General Topics] copius:
This is pretty horrible when you buy a phone and expect it to function like every other phone that has the same OS.

With maybe Telecom's actually trying to invent their own App stores, this may be ATT's push into that direction.
[General Topics] leblid:
sure, in Europe orange is doing the same.
[General Topics] Joshme:
RIP Motorola indeed. I bought the original Droid day it came out...Now I have the X and it's not the same experience (Of course until I changed Roms and multiple other things). But I was perfectly contented with the original, but in order to get that I HAD to change it. Verizon force fed me apps that I simply did not want. So it's also not just ATT.
[General Topics] Omnichron:
and that is why we have XDA Developers... right?:D
[General Topics] Joshme:
Amen my friend! Before this forum I was lost and confused. XDA provided me light and guidance in the land of the lost known as MotoBlur. I found a map to the world of FlyX and apeX and others.

Thank you XDA. Thank you so much.
[General Topics] cccq:
RIP Motorola:D:D
[General Topics] disguy24:
We can get past this.
[General Topics] Ben's:
What's with all the " RIP Motorola " :rolleyes: Hackers, modders, overclockers etc probably account for less then 4% of the market. They are going to make money regardless with the Atrix being the first Dual Core phone released...it will do plenty well, no need to worry guys, lol.

As for the 3rd party apps being locked, honestly, how many people here who will (most likely won’t) admit that you bricked your phone doing something silly and then used the “ manufacture’s warranty “ to replace it? Good for them for locking it down if noob’s jump in head first without knowing what they are doing. It might even bring the cost of phone’s down and bring down that ETF! I don’t care to pay for anyone else’s mistakes. Download the app to your computer and transfer it to your phone if you want it that bad.

Motorola is not going anywhere and they have top quality devices. In my opinion, best on the market! Don’t be mad because you can’t afford one :p
[General Topics] AnyMal:
Carriers are taking over Market billing and earn their cut, hence why they're blocking non-market apps. That said, it won't be long before Atrix is rooted and sideloading enabled.

Have little patience and faith in xda community, will ya? ;)
[General Topics] MaBlo:
I simply can't believe how US carriers get away with 2 year contracts. It's simply retarded how they take advantage of their customers.
[General Topics] Joshme:
What are your contracts? If you have them?
[General Topics] MaBlo:
1 year. The only two year contracts in Norway are for businesses, as far as I know.
[General Topics] Joshme:
That would be nice...but I'd imagine that would raise the initial cost of the phone; however offset by less spent in monthly charges.
[General Topics] copius:
You're probably right about it.

I am disappointed when I discuss mobile internet speeds with my Finnish friend. In the States, we pay a lot more for data than they do over there. (Of course the country size is different, but still......)

In China, the rates are a lot higher than the States (ex. ~$50USD will get you 3 gig data, 120 texts/sms, and 100 voice minutes). But text/sms is like king in China where it is very cheap to send and free to receive.
[General Topics] hotleadsingerguy:
It's absolutely not AT&T that's causing this problem...AT&T asks that the "install from 3rd party" option be disabled, but it's up to the developers to comply with that...about half don't.

The problem here is with Motorola...all of their recent upper-echelon models come with locked bootloaders and the eFuse system. They try to make sure people don't put on custom roms and root. It's utterly ridiculous. I don't even use custom roms but I *ABSOLUTELY* need the device to be rooted if I'm going to buy an Android phone. I can't stand the built-in telecom crap (Verizon has a ****load, AT&T does as well).
[General Topics] :
Who cares, once it's rooted, that won't be a problem lol.
[General Topics] kLownish:
I'm sure that once they realize they will lose tons of sales by doing this, they will stop.
[General Topics] SilverSurger:
This is ultimatively the reason why you should not buy it. It is in the customers hands. If you have to circumvent security measures and heavy protections which were put in place by the manufacturer, you should not buy that phone at all, because in the end you are supporting these kinds of devices - regardless of the final use of them. Motorla is encouraged to put heavier, and more, protection in place, because the user obviously agrees with him (see the whole Apple-Front, Motorola's sales will be strong). You have to accept that you are not the market, you are not the targeted customer - hence the products are build for another kind of customer.

I love the way HTC is currently doing it - you are, in the end, completely free to do a lot of stuff with your devices by rooting and flashing, but you have to circumvent protections (which are easy to circumvent, after all) in order to get there. This is like a "STOP"-Sign for the average user, he won't do it.

But after all the market decides where the evolvement of android is heading - with HTC we surely have a strong partner who cares a lot about openess, but a lot of the manufactures do not care about (or opposed to that: are absolutely not willing to accept) that.
[General Topics] aaho:
Such strategy by carriers will reflect negatively on Android system and can cause Apple to equate the competition.
[General Topics] AnyMal:
To understand it you have to know what a typical US consumer wants. They want everything cheap, or better yet free. US carriers happily oblige by subsidising (sometimes only partially) the cost of equipment in return for a long-term commitment.
[General Topics] mthe0ry:
As a carrier you have to fight the pressure to turn into "dumb pipes" as much as possible. Just think about how ridiculous it is that you pay for "voice" and "data" services on your phone. Voice is data. But the carriers are fighting tooth and nail to keep the two services quarantined so they can artificially create differentiation and charge you more. And thats why you have to hack your devices or pay more to use mobile hotspot, voice over ip, and similar features.
[General Topics] webarts:
meeeh :p very god point
[General Topics] xManMythLegend:
This is why motorola was in the pits before Android.

Everyone outside of there HW designers are a bunch of clueless hacks.

Carriers are just flagrantly evil. They dont give two hoots about the end user.

If buying an unlocked or un Subsidized phone led to total feature unlocking , or lower rates you can make an argument. But it does not.

All these companies are doing a great job of screwing up the Android machine. The limitations , the stalled updates and now obscene prices on tablets. Its mind boggling whats going on.

Greed> Intelligence.
[General Topics] MaBlo:
Yeah I guess it's a different setting. Do you pay a monthly charge for the phone itself? If not I can understand it. For my Legend I payed 1 NOK up front(that's free), but I have to pay 180 NOK(around 30 dollars) each month just for the phone.
[General Topics] Joshme:
So it sounds like it kind of boils down to the same prices all around...but you get the advantage of being able to change your phone sooner than we do if we don't want to pay the outrageous price and/or contract termination fees.
[General Topics] Auzy:
I'm sorry, they didn't hear you over the crisp $50 bills they were counting.

What we need to do is actually band together put a bit of money aside and set up free wireless networks in the cities we reside in, so that people can make voip calls and such for free. Lets cut them out of the equation (it actually doesn't cost much to get a proper antenna and Access point for this)
[General Topics] N8ter:
It has nothing to do with Motorola.

AT&T blocks third party application installation on all their Android phones.

Even their Windows Mobile Phones came with a higher security level enabled which blocked the installation of lots of third party applications (i.e. Google's YouTube App, and even some Microsoft Apps).
[General Topics] iKitsunee:
Lmao @ first part and I agree but what about the bandwidth and stuff?
[General Topics] louis514:
We can get past this.