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[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
LOL

Are these the same multiple sources everywhere on the web who were reporting Feb. 7. Tomorrow this will be all over the web & stated as fact just because someone heard it from someone else, who heard it from the janitor who works at a major carrier :).

If you keep guessing long enough you are bound to be right, or close to it eventually so who knows it could happen.

Whenever it happens really doesn't matter anymore because MS has failed IMO. There is very little talk about WP7, except the Nokia stuff & how long it's taking MS to get this update out. The Nokia stuff is a big deal only if you believe Nokia can shift a big part of their market share to WP7, & I doubt they can.
[Windows Phone 7 General] owenw:
No, real life sources, actually.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mKTank:
Welp, all your credibility flew out the window there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] iwantnokia:
i sure will postpone n postpone... microsoft style....
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
How can it not be considered a fail when you start off with positive press & excitement & a few months later it's replaced by data leak questions & when will the first update be released. On top of that as a Samsung Focus owner I can't use a Micro SD card reliably.

All MS had to do is put out a date like March at the beginning & they could have avoided all of it. Even if they said March & ended up delivering it early they would look good, if they delivered in March they would be seen as delivering the update on time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Zedox:
Easy. You say an ambiguous date like "Early 2011" so it doesn't matter when you release it but early 2011. Things could happen. They haven't announced it, so when they announce it, then you can "*****" at them for being late, until then, Microsoft said all the correct things. No matter what you think about that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
Im guessing with their crystal balls and a touch of hindsight they could have given date, but in the real world things like that dont happen, to my knowledge there has not been an official press statement saying Feb 7th, so tell me, how have thhey missed a target that doesnt exist?

could that date have been an internal milestone date? who knows huh!

MS hasnt failed, but if it does its because of comments like this, missinformation, bad bias reporting and bigotry by people that didnt understand what it is or in some cases havent even used it for a length of time
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
I never said MS gave any date I just used the Feb. 7 date as a example of one post or site saying something, & it spreading all over the net. Then in the end it turns out to be false, & now it starts again with this March date which may or may not happen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
Still wish it coming out before that...
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
Is anyone really that excited about Copy and Paste? The only thing worth the update is the faster load times... and that's a pretty minor thing. Granted, copy and paste would be nice, but are people actually upset about this because they don't have copy and paste? Just seems like a lot of hoopla for nothing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arkatis:
Thats really dissapointing! Will wait for the NoDo update and Mango for sure..

Microsoft said that THEY WILL keep our devices up to date utleast 5 times per year..
[Windows Phone 7 General] mKTank:
Still, saying something as daft as WP7 is a failure is..well, daft.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lapingultah:
So you don't mind what the update does as long as you get five of them each year? :) Better to have it tested properly first, though it is kind of frustrating for them to - hmm - "let us assume" a schedule (with several pointers) and then not stick to it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sinister3556:
thats when HOMEFRONT comes out :) now my march 8 will be completely awesome:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
This thread is about the first update to WP7 coming out in March I never said WP7 is a failure, it's too early to know that. MS failed in its handling of the update IMO so now it won't matter when it's released, it will be seen as a failure. There will be other updates & if MS can add features/fixes in a faster manner then they can recover. You just assumed I meant MS failed with WP7 when I meant they failed with this update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Nexus one is htc phone nexus s is Samsung phone both exclusive to google

Sent from my Bionix powered Vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I'm illiterate but you're the one that doesn't understand the difference between a Google phone and a android powered phone. FYI the Nexus S was just made by Samsung but designed by Google just like the original Nexus. FYI Google doesn't have phones running on all those different versions.

What are you going to make up next? Apple takes forever to deliver simple patches?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I'm infinitely puzzled to see grown up people from the US complain that they get delayed updates for anything. I mean, seriously, you get $500+ phones for like 50 bucks or even $.01 and then complain that something is delayed by those operators who basically paid for your phone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Google doesn't make phones. The Nexus One was made by HTC, and the Nexus S is Samsung.

The Nexus One is still waiting on Gingerbreak, IIRC. Maybe I missed when it was OTA'd to them, though!

Android is terrible for updates. The best changes you have at getting an update is if the phone launched with an old version of Android after a new version was launched. So, new phones that are launching with 2.2.1 will get an update to 2.3.x, but you have to cross you fingers for anything past that.

Microsoft will "theoretically" avoid the Android issues since they don't allow skinning their OS and write all the drivers for the "mandated" hardware allowed in them.

People thought Microsoft would "theoretically" avoid the Android issues with updates taking a long time to come down, but so far that hasn't rang true. The only benefit I see is that you phone should be supported with updates for its entire lifetime - but considering by the time Mango comes many people will have had their phones for a about a year... It's already looking pretty damn bad, IMO.

Apple is the Gold standard when it comes to updating their phones. That's just how it is. But their corporate practices make me throw up in my mouth a little. I'm hardly ideological about things, but that's one place where I draw a line.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No we don't.

They're on contracts with mandated data plans. We pay practically the same price as anyone else, especially if we want to upgrade phones early and/or switch carriers. In the case of switching carriers, that often involves buying a new phone.

What are you talking about?

Thsoe $0.01 phones you see on Amazon or WireFly have double ETF fees. If you cancel early you pay $500-650 in total ETF fees (to the carrier and to the retailer) - more than an off-contract phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
@ vangrieg

Really I find the opposite to be true, people from the US are more likely to defend MS. In the US they have a far more complete experience Zune Pass & Marketplace etc. then we do internationally, so I find are more willing to give MS a pass.

Here in Canada MS really screwed up Zune from the start, & continue the tradition with WP7. Very limited Marketplace support, no Zune Pass & to get Bing Maps working you have to set your search location to US. MS released the Zune 120 player here back in 08 so you would think Zune Pass would be here by now but it's not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
You shouldn't be allowed to speak in public. Because its 'simple' it's a beta? I hate to break it to you, I could create a program that simply opens and shows a picture, then closes, and release it as a final product, and guess what, it's a final, regardless of what naive opinion you have on it. It was released as a 1.0 final, therefore it isn't a 'beta' regardless of what obscure opinion you have of it.

And you guys need to actually read about what bugs these Apple patches fix, none of which exist on WP. I'm sure if the phones weren't able to dial, or if the lock screen actually didn't protect anything when it was set with a pin Microsoft would need to release an instant fix as well. Not saying they don't fix bugs, but they don't release fixes every 20 seconds like most of you insist they do.

And to use Google as a standard or example for updating procedures is pretty funny in my eyes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rhory:
Are you George Bush..:D:D:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I'm talking about a very simple fact that I'm paying $100-150/mo and then $800-1000 for a handset without any subsidies. No, you're not paying extra monthly, you are just tied into long-term contracts so that MOs secure cash flows from you and therefore can hook you into a longer term relationship. A bribe, I'd say.

I have absolutely zero clue as to what those operators do when they "test" handsets and why they even do it. I mean, here they don't care what handset you use, show zero interest and everything works perfectly - calls don't get dropped, coverage is awesome, networks don't stall etc. etc.

As Karl Marx once said, every nation deserves the government it has. So it's your love for freebies and sales that causes the inconvenience. There's absolutely no sarcasm or any negativity in what I'm saying, honestly. It's just a statement of what I see. This willingness to sacrifice freedom of changing your device to save a few hundred bucks is what led to all this messed up situation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well Zune is a completely different beast because it involves content providers, and those guys are absolutely insane. You can't just go and sell subscription music in a neighboring country without negotiating with each and every one of those copyright owners, and there are hundreds if not thousands of them. It literally takes years, and you have to go through this hell for each country. Then there's lots of politics involved because those copyright holders constantly demand things from governments and try to prevent distribution in countries that don't pass laws that satisfy them (they literally prevent these things or charge exorbitant prices). And to make things absolutely horrible, there are often local organizations that "represent" copyright owners and charge whoever sells content separately. Every country is insane in its own way, and there's no single example of decency to my knowledge. Here in Russia, for example, they take 1% of retail price from every piece of equipment that can store data - SD cards, cameras, phones, HDDs, anything because you can store illegal copies of music on them. And Russia isn't unique, and it's not the worst approach. So before you blame MS for not selling subsciption music to you properly ask your government, they may have clues about why this happens. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] hboos:
Fiyafleye needs to calm down and find something actually worth fighting for.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
No but I'm obviously a smarter person than you are for understanding that just because something doesn't behave the way I want it to, doesn't justify calling it 'beta' software... You should look up exactly what beta means...

I'm just getting tired of people not being realistic and understanding that this is a different animal than WinMo, and therefore won't have the same functionality, doesn't make it beta. It also has features WinMo didn't, does that mean WinMo was a 10 year beta?
[Windows Phone 7 General] rhory:
You can't be that smart, my wee country Scotland:D built the big country you live in, unfortunately between JR Ewing and your buddy George, you have managed to ruin it.

PS just so you are in no doubt WP7 is a crock of merde. :D;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Did you just actually say this? Alright... hboos was right... I'll go back to doministry and vetvito, at least their opinions have some sort of educated mind behind them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rhory:
Hey dude, whatever floats your boat, just can't see you and educated in the same sentence somehow......;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Puckster:
This thread is a perfect example of why i (and many others over the years) have stopped frequenting this site. I may only have under 130 posts to my name however i have been around here since 2005 and with each device i see new chefs, users and arguments until the next device comes along and it all starts again.

This thread in particular was posted to discuss the new update and whether it would or would not be released in march. Since then, it has degenerated into name calling and the OT was forgotten several pages ago.

To the few people in this thread that are expressing their own opinions that Windows Phone is a beta or crap or whatever else they feel, this is a forum specifically to discuss Windows Phone so if you dont like it, maybe you should just stay away or come back when you have moved past the name calling and other childish behaviour.

This thread should probably be locked unless it can get back on topic. I wont be responding to any negative opinions on my post as it would be a waste of my time.

Cheers,

Topher
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
I don't blame MS for the way content owners behave, but Apple had to go through the same thing & they managed to do it. MS hasn't tried very hard to work out agreements IMO but yet they sell the phones internationally, just so they can say they are in the market. I will be curious to see what international support is added in this & future updates.
[Windows Phone 7 General] BikerCVG:
AMEN... Well said... :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No you're wrong. It's our my fault the economy in russia is terrible.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Yes I'm right. No, it's not your fault. No, it has nothing to do with the economy, in Russia or elsewhere.

You get a "smartphone" plan, which includes minimum data charges and stuff, and then they subsidize your phone like crazy. In theory you could buy a phone elsewhere and get a cheap plan (I know, I did it myself in the US). But you (I don't mean you personally) prefer to save those bucks up front.

I choose a plan that has tons of fast data and minutes and all the stuff I use, which makes it expensive. I could go as low as $10/mo. But I never told the operator which phone I use, and they don't care, shouldn't care. That's why I'm not paying anything to anybody when I want to switch phones and they never bother to "test" my phone's firmware. They couldn't know what to "test" as they don't know squat about phones, no matter how expensive their labs are.

So that's your own doing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Does it hurt to be this stupid? Do you even own a smart phone because you seem just as lost as the people who wander in here asking how to put songs on their iphone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
God. You're dense, and it doesn't come as a surprise that someone from Russia is quoting Karl Marx at me. Please, save me that bull****.

Let me break it down for you...

Subsidized phones do not save anyone any money. Do the math.

You are locked into that phone plan for two years, so the carrier makes tons of cash on you. The phone is typically locked to one carrier and in many cases doesn't even support 3G bands from other carriers, so moving carriers involves buying another phone, signing another contract, and in many cases ETFing you current contract (which is anything from $200 to $350'ish).

People THINK they're saving up front, but they aren't. Nothing is cheaper here, the costs are just shuffled around differently and gotten in a different way so that they appear cheaper.

Lots of people with marginal credit ratings even have to pay huge deposits up front just to get a cell phone contract.

Have you ever gone to a Carrier in Russia and had them tell you you had to pay a $400-500 deposit for a cell phone contract, before? On top of the Subsidized phone price and the monthly fees?

Carriers here also off-load some subsidy costs with value add applications they preload on the phones. If you pay for Navigation for two year the Carrier gets $240 bucks from you ($10/mo) which pretty much pays for the subsidy right there - nevermind all the other services they sell to people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well, but you would basically pay the same for that level of service with an unsubsidized phone. They prevent and secure the cash flows this way, paying some money up front.

And I know very well how this works, thanks. If you read what I said you'd see that your last post doesn't contradict anything I said. You are willing to lock yourselves in for two years to get that phone subsidy, and whine a lot about how you are being ripped off, deceived, don't get updates etc. etc. Don't lock yourselves in if you don't like it, that's all I'm saying.

It would be difficult for them to do here. The problem is that by law they can't charge you for a service when they don't provide it. This means that even if you have a contract and stop paying, they cut you off. And from this very moment they are also forced to stop charging you. They can play all kinds of tricks like imposing a fine or something but it can't be in the amount of a yearly subscription or something ridiculous like that. So, no deposits and no phone subsidies.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rhory:
I really couldn't say, you will have to consult your analyst, he will have a better idea of your history.....see if he can advise you on free speech and democracy as well....;):D
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
You know everyone one of rhory's 35 posts to date have been in the Windows Phone 7 forum, ragging on the OS. Only if he put this much passion and effort into real life he could be a better person?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
AT&T NOT holding back update

I had to speak to the Technical Support area of the AT&T Warranty Center today. All of a sudden, after 2 months, the battery icon at the top of the page ehibited the following symptoms:

. Blinks on and off, sometimes with the "plug" showing on the battery icon even though the phone is not on the charger. Blinks about once every 2 seconds.

. "Beeps" everytime it blinks.

. Screen will not turn off because this icon is blinking.

I was told that Technical Support had a meeting yesterday and that this is a know issue with WP7 by Microsoft and that the upcoming late February/early March update will contain a fix for this issue.

I asked why I had not recived an update notification and whether AT&T was holding up this update. The TS person said absolutely not, especially since this update will contain bug fixes that affect currently released phone models. AT&T is not holding back the update.

This person also told me that the issue is suspected to be caused by a virus that enters the phone when browsing the Internet and that warranty does not cover viruses. Well, that set me off. Their phone, their OS, their browser. I'll address this to be sure.

But, the update is coming, contains fixes, and AT&T is NOT holding it back.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mKTank:
Ah, ok. Yeah they messed up big time with this update. They should be more active and more urgent with WP7 if they're at all serious about making it compete.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Amen to that. People are talking about this update like it's Christ second coming but in the big scheme of things, it's not a revolution and it's barely an evolution.

Copy & Paste with faster load times, yawn. Is that really what gets you excited guys?
[Windows Phone 7 General] hboos:
my postman's dad's dentist's dog's vet has a cousin who knows about things in the mobile industry and he apparently said that he overheard from someone that the update was going to be rolled out on the 14th of February as a Valentines Day gift for your phones...perhaps.

That's a scoop guys!!!

So definitely HAPPPENING!!!

I'm going to stay up all night on the 13th of February for this update cos my phone is not a phone without copy and paste
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Lack of copy & paste is a huge problem for me. I have issues without it every day. I really can wait for faster load times but c&p omission drives me crazy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sb.:
It's never ending just like 6.5 was. Your always hanging for the next "big" update, ROM build etc etc in hope that your OS will be perfect, but it doesn't happen. Its the never ending Microsoft loop.

All in all though its better than 6.5 was.Yeah there's some **** to clean up but I'm still lovin it!!! As for the updates, big deal C&P and how much faster can things load??

I'm happy as long as i'm not using an icrap.
[Windows Phone 7 General] owenw:
Have you considered that people actually in the industry would know people who actually have dates for these kinds of things? Unlike yourself.

Anyway, to whoever posted that this is a minor update... yes, but it is a testing ground for the next update, Mango, which will only trail up to 8 weeks behind. You'll see ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
I understand where you're coming from but overall really how many users can't live without C&P? Sure it's annoying but you wouldn't say that's what's preventing WP7 to compete with iOS and Android. If they're going to wait that long they may as well add more features to that update.

All in all I feel pretty pessimistic about MWC, hope they prove me wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
I like how people here systematically make statements out of rumours :D.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hboos:
I don't think you get it son.

There has been so much speculation about dates and the exact content of the updates that it is getting ridiculous.

There have already been several threads for each new "development" on dates of the roll out and then after each date passes there are another slew of threads about how people haven't received them yet...and then another bunch about how everyone is so disappointed.

So why don't we just sit back and wait instead of acting like some crazy pavlovian dogs drooling and getting excited at the first hint of the update..

That's all I meant. I am sorry to have insulted you somehow.

Edit:

Actually, having a look at your previous posts, you are the one responsible for getting everyone so excited and disappointing them again! SHAME ON YOU! I know you have real sources (unlike me) but try get them to tell you the truth instead of playing you and the rest of us like a fool :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
90 days after CES they said. So anything before April is good to them.

As far as the competition goes....well its not looking good for Microsoft
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Sorry but do you have a problem with this c&p or what?

About preventing the success general lack of updates will be a problem, not c&p itself.

But consider finally that your favourite OS maker thinks THE SAME deciding to put it on first update!!!! Right??!!

The fact you can't even paste a mobile number to sms it to someone IS BASIC for anybody using the phone to communicate. Yes it is freaking basic to be able to share data on a smartphone with others. Lol why do we have to explain it. Don't you have basic imagination? I almost don't use games but I IMAGINE it's a very important part of it.

I still think WP7 is a fantastic foundation but slow updates will kill it.

You like it or not. That's how it goes today. You'll be surprised how many customers today know the word "update"
[Windows Phone 7 General] pillsburydoughman:
Why can't MS man up and post their own release date? I don't believe anything until Microsoft says so themselves. Frankly I won't expect anything until June. yes I made that up.