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[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
You obviously missed the most important part of what I said - "will do nothing unless it has to".

If the app does need to do something, i.e. send/receive/process data it's obviously using power. If it's idle, and well-written, it should use next to no cycles meaning there is little to no effect on power usage.

I'm not saying this is in the "pro" column for multitasking, as if the app has nothing to do you don't need it to run in the background at all - I just took offence to the statement that multitasking, by default, will kill your battery.

And I agree. I have never said there are plenty of apps that need full multitasking abilities - but the ones that do simply does not function properly today.

So you are perfectly fine about missing directions to turn off the turnpike because the app was tombstoned? What about tracking your afternoon jogging session? GPS apps do need multitasking in some scenarios.

At the moment they do, because there is no way to funnel data to an alarm OS-side. Sure you can use tile or toast notifications, but using a live tile will not give you an audiable reminder - using a toast will, but the actual notification is gone forever by the time you've picked up your phone.

Agreed though, once MS brings out tasks/todos for ActiveSync there should no longer be a need to them to multitask as it should be a native app with full alarm capabilities.

How are my apps redundant? There is no native GPS tracking app ala Glympse for WP7 (as of now there is no third-party app either but that's besides the point). Running Glympse in a non-multitasking environment simply makes no sense - as it will stop updating your location if you have to make that call, read your email or whatever.

So basically you're saying the same thing as me - it's not due to the lack of socket support like the WP7dev team has previously led us to believe.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I wouldn't multitasking the app of i was that dependent on directions, and if i needed my phone that much id just get a gps system (i have one already). Sorry not buying it.

Glimpse runs on other platforms. You aren't forced to buy a wp7 device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Hopefully they just go with an Apple-like model of multitasking. It seems like a pretty good compromise and it handles most classes of apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
I'm not talking about putting the app in the background because you can; I'm saying that the phone performing phone tasks automatically will tombstone your app. If you can't see this being a problem you've obviously never used your phone as a GPS device.

As for a stand-alone navigational system; I have a Pioneer AVIC-F20BT in the H2 and a similar system in the Passat. However I find myself using the phones built-in nav aid more and more, not out of convenience but because of the satellite imagery and always up-to-date maps - this really helps at times.

Glympse is also coming to WP7, they showed the app during CES a few weeks back. Not buying a WP7 device is not an option, I already have and I have no intent on jumping ship. The same goes for my wife who absolutely loves her Omnia7.

In any case, reading your past posts about WP7 (and especially the DVP) I guess you're just trolling around so let's just agree to disagree.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Neil__C:
Common sense at last ;)

It's as if many have never used an iPhone. With their system, things that need to run keep running, switching is instantaneous and battery life is actually better than my WP7!

I prefer my WP7 in almost every other respect but they need to sort out the multitasking so that it is at least as competent as the competition. Tombstoning and battery life cop-outs just indicate that some don't realise how good the apple type of multitasking can be.

I could spend less time on the phone and 'get back to my life' (as advertised) if task management and switching was faster and more logical and employed sensible multitasking (no, I'm not hung up on terminology - I'm referring to a user experience so please don't tell it that it does multitask - instead just pick up an iPhone).

Regards
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Someone hasn't paid attention to Ballmer's keynote :D.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lekki:
Well, we now know that multitasking is coming to WP7 via Steve Ballmer's MWC press conference. Yay!
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Not only is it coming, it will be a world-class MT! :)
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] kennyhkw:
Hi Folks

I've been looking for an alternative to the HTC Touch keyboard.

I generally use the keyboard in Phone Keypad(T9) format but the Touch keypad tends to lag a bit sometimes.

I'm looking for something that works exactly the same as the Phone Keypad but doesn't lag.

Everything else i have downloaded from the market is Qwerty only. I can type much faster with the Phone Keypad with predictive text than qwerty.

so far i've tried:

Anysoftkeyboard

Better Keyboard 8

Gingerbread Keyboard

Keypurr

SlideIT

Thick buttons

But none of these have a decent Phone Keypad(T9) format, they are all qwerty or variations of qwerty.

Any help appreciated!
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] maaz_obaid:
try "smart keyboard". i m using smart keyboard, and have not even felt the need for any other keyboard.
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] kennyhkw:
Cheers for that i've donwloaded it and its seems ok so far but can't give a full assessment without the english dictionary.

But the pro version with the English dictionary cost £1.68! Bit steep for an app which i cant try fully b4 i buy.

Most Apple apps are £0.59p!
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] a1exander:
Better Keyboard 8 has phone T9 layout!
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] kennyhkw:
Tried all the ones on the market, they all have good points but none are perfect. If you took all the good points from all of them u would have the perfect keypad but at the moment the Sense keypad still out does them all.

It just feels better and has a much better dictionary setup and just more user-friendly.

Just the stupid lag which i have to put up with. Mind u the other keypads also had occasional lag but i think its just to do with the phone, it simply can't multi-task.
[Dell Streak 7] slave-zeo:
Received my Streak 7 on feb 8th and it was working great. I actually didn't mind it's "shortcomings" and had a lot of fun using it. On the evening of feb 9th it locked up and became unresponsive. I held in the power button until it shutdown and then powered it back up just fine. I played with it some more and set it down for about 5 minuets and when I picked it back up it was dead. When I left it the battery was at about 80% so I'm sure the batter hadn't drained.

Now it won't charge the battery or show any signs of life what so ever. I searched the dell forums and looked through the manual to no avail. so, I figured I'd ask here. Is there any way anyone knows of to do a full hardware rest and maybe resurrect this poor thing? I'm pretty sure there isn't anything I can do for her but call Dell for an RMA but I hoped it couldn't hurt to ask.
[Dell Streak 7] Hellzya:
Hold the plus side of the volume button then hold power should bring you into bootloader. Use the volume keys for up or down. Then to make a selection press the power button. Try a factory restore or i believe where the sd card and sim card is located there is a reset button or try that. Thats weird that it did that. Good luck.

sent from my re-engineered dInc
[Dell Streak 7] slave-zeo:
Hellzya, it worked. Thanks SO much. I was worried i'd have to RMA it. I wonder what happened to make it freak out on me.
[Dell Streak 7] Hellzya:
No idea that is weird. But glad it worked for you.

sent from my re-engineered dInc
[Dell Streak 7] jbarash:
I had the same exact problem wont charge... tmoble replaced it!
[Dell Streak 7] Hellzya:
had the same problem early tab just locked up on me reset it through the little pin hole all is good.

Sent from my Dell Streak 7
[Dell Streak 7] slave-zeo:
Mine's all good now. It charges fine and power cycles just peachy.

I've been rocking out the emulators on it. Loving it so far.
[Dell Streak 7] ftaman:
Dead Dell 7

My Dell 7 also wouldnt turn on, the home button stay on but I couldnt get screen to boot up. Before that happen the battery was running very hot and screen Would flicker.

I took it back and T Mobile replaced it.
[Dell Streak 7] webmastersuki:
Crud....

Same thing happened to me. Had my Dell Streak 7 for about 12 days and it totally locked up, wouldn't charge, and wouldn't turn on. We did a factory reset and it seemed to work but I don't trust that it wouldn't happen again so its going back and I'm getting a Galaxy.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jame_2d:
hi friend,

How are you ?

I'm a newbie try to read many topics .

some can understand but some make me confusing.

Would you please help me about :

----Question------

1-how to install android in HTC HD2 Tmobile 1024(flash) ?

2-backup the exiting window mobile OS (ROM)

3-what is benefit to install android in SD and NAND ?

4-How do i restore back my ROM HTC HD2 T-mobile(Unlocked)?

5-Is it will lock again when i restore/install the ROM ?

----information-----

i bought this htc hd2 tmobile in ebay and already unlock by buying code in ebay.

please give me the right topic with stable ROM

Sorry to send private message to you..

Thank for your time

Thanks

James
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ClydeB1:
1. See noob guide on Flashing NAND Android rom (link in my signature)

2. You can't back it up, but there are lots of places where you can download the rom. check out the WM6.5 development thread to see if you can get a download link.

3. To me NAND is far more smooth in operation than running off of sd card. Running of sd card I guess gives the flexibility of having 2 os's that you can switch between if for some obscure reason you would want to do that (ie dual boot)

4. Just flash the stock wm rom back

5. No, it won't lock the device again. (AFAIK - 99.9% sure ;))

My current favourite rom is also linked in my signature.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] voncrane:
ClydeB1's answers are all true...I'd lyk 2 add something to answer number "2"

U can't completely back up ur WinMo rom...u can re-download and install though...Hweva u can backup n transfer data lyk sms, contacts, call logs etc from WinMo to Android using Sprite Migrate which can be found here.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jame_2d:
Could you please quide me ?

hi ClydeB1,

Thanks so much for your time,

about

#2, is there any official ROM for htc hd2 tmobile 1024 the lastest.

#3, would you please point me to the dual boot for android 2.2 and win 6.5 for htc hd2 tmobile 1024. because i'm afraid go to the wrong and make it dead.

#5, So if i flash the Official HTC HD2 Tmobile ROM. it will not lock the SIM back right ? (i bough the unlock code from ebay.com)

Sorry for asking many thing. i just want to make sure as i'm a newbie.

and thanks for your time

Thanks

James
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ClydeB1:
#2 - Try this one - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=789506

#3 You will find all info needed wrt running Android off of sd card in this forum. Check out the first sticky which will have links to the useful posts to give guidance.

5# AFAIK no it won't. (Have never had to do an unlock and then reflash so can't confirm this one)
[XPERIA X8 General] oisteink:
I'd like to replace some of the stock apps on my X8, especially the Phone app. The one that shows while I'm in a call. I've replaced the dialer (seriously SEMC?) by just downloading the Dialer One and I love that one. But once I start a call SEMC's Phone app kicks in, and it's useless. I think it's called SemcPhone.apk, and I'd like some other thing here. Is it possible to change this?

ps:I don't mind messing around with it, I've already spent a night getting my phone back working after pulling out the sd-card while the phone was on and app2sd was installed (thanks as-mario!!)
[XPERIA X8 General] Buddha:
Is you are rooted, install Root Explorer and mess around ;)
[Milestone 2 Android Development] :
I managed to break my micro sd card in half today and I wasn't able to pickup a class 10 or 6 replacement locally so I thought I could use some of the 6gb of internal memory as a virtual filesystem to get me out of trouble.

So, after quickly looking at the android docs and the supported busybox commands I created a 2gb sdcard.img in /data and mounted to /sdcard. I copied some files to it with astro filemanager and fired up raging thunder 2 and it went ahead and downloaded the game data to /sdcard/ and worked correctly.

But, a few apps won't recognise it as an sdcard (Motorola SD card and phone storage settings applet) as well as things like PlayPro (states I have no sdcard present). I thought perhaps I could modify the /etc/vold.fstab file to auto mount the sdcard.img I created using vi but I'm a bit clueless as to what I should change on the dev_mount /sdcard line to get it automounted at boot and hopefully fool the rest of the apps into thinking it is a physical sdcard.

Can anyone possibly point me in the right direction? Not sure how to invoke cmd mode in vi using the milestone qwerty either but I'll keep digging.

What I did (roughly), maybe I'm going about it wrong but any advice would be appreciated.

1. rooted device

2. installed the free terminal app from the market

3. fired up the terminal shell

4. su

5. dd if/dev/zero of=/data/sdcard.img bs=1024 count=1 seek=2000000

6. busybox mkfs.vfat /data/sdcard.img (didn't seem to support -F 32)

7. busybox mount -o loop /data/sdcard.img /sdcard/
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
+ 1 for this, it would be great to can use internal storage for user data
[Milestone 2 Android Development] DeadSix17:
Why do you let this nice post die.. so "flibbulator" found anything more out?.. I'd like to know more.. like if you got it to work with Music Players and Video players??
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
Try to mount /data/sdcard.img to /mnt/sdcard (/sdcard is a link to /mnt/sdcard)

or try "export EXTERNAL_STORAGE /sdcard"

I made in a different way: created a 4GB storage.img in /data and mounted it in /sdcard/storage, so internal storage is finally usable for user data

the problem was to set mount point on boot, I can't find a way to execute a script on boot (you can't permanently modify init.rc)
[Milestone 2 Android Development] fKngFtd:
I have actually tried this on my Droid2Global, and I get the error "unknown operand if/dev/zero" I feel like I am missing the point or do not fully understanding how to use the "dd" command?
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
the correct syntax is:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/data/sdcard.img bs=1024 count=4194340

4194340 --> 4GB
[Milestone 2 Android Development] fKngFtd:
Thank you bro.

Quick question I keep getting these errors. I do have a folder in "/" named "sdcard-int"

Better Terminal Emulator Pro

/ # busybox mount -o loop /data/sdcard.img /sdcard-int/

mount: can't setup loop device: No such file or directory

/ # busybox mount -o /data/sdcard.img /sdcard-int

mount: can't read /etc/fstab: No such file or directory

/ #
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
you can't place anything in root folder, /sdcard is a link to /mnt/sdcard and is created by init.rc (you can't edit init.rc, it's provided by boot.img, so need to extract from boot.img and repack)

I made in this way but I have to manually execute a script or a command from terminal after every boot to mount storage.img

mkdir /sdcard/storage

su

dd if=/dev/zero of=/data/storage.img bs=1024 count=4194340

busybox mkfs.vfat /data.storage.img

mount -o loop -t vfat /data/storage.img /sdcard/storage
[Milestone 2 Android Development] lewis_atf:
Will be lost anything after reboot when use this storage?
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
all the stuff in img file will not be lost, as long as you put it in /data/

on the contrary the mount point must be restored after reboot
[Milestone 2 Android Development] fKngFtd:
Thank you, I will use the Thank you button when I login via PC.

I still get the same error, I know that I'm doing something incorrectly or maybe I don't understand "mount" comment correctly?

/ $ su

/ # mkdir /sdcard/storage

/ # dd if=/dev/zero of=/data/storage.img bs=1024 count=41943404194340+0 recordsn

4194340+0 records out

4295004160 bytes (4.0GB) copied, 339.823883 seconds, 12.1MB/s

/ # busybox mkfs.vfat /data/storage.img

/ # mount -o loop -t vfat /data/storage.img /sdcard/storage

mount: can't setup loop device: No such file or directory

/ #

I am using my sdcard also, I'm not too sure if that makes any difference?
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
Better terminal pro uses BASH shell, I presume

try to switch to android shell, in preferences

or to use terminal emulator (free) from market
[Milestone 2 Android Development] fKngFtd:
Okay, I tried Android Terminal Emulator, and this is a new error.

export PATH=/data/local/bin:$PATH

$ $ su

# mount -o loop -t vfat /data/storage.img /sdcard/storage

ioctl LOOP_SET_FD failed: Device or resource busy

#

Not too sure where to go now. I thank you again for all your help, and time.
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
resource busy, you have to reboot the phone

I use Gscript lite, add a script with the string

mount -o loop -t vfat /data/storage.img /sdcard/storage

and create a shortcut to homescreen, so when I reboot, I can mount the img file in one click
[Milestone 2 Android Development] santiemanuel:
Cool mod for my ROM. Could I take it??
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
sure, they are simple shell commands ;)

the best would be to do what happen with Samsung Galaxy S: internal storage mounted as sdcard and physical sdcard mounted in a folder /sdcard/sd

storage.img is 3-4 times faster than my peak 8GB class 6
[Milestone 2 Android Development] vincent.gx:
There is an application "Autostart" in the market, which can automatially execute a script with root after boot up.
[Milestone 2 Android Development] oTToToTenTanz:
I up because I'm now also interested in making profit of the huge internal storage. I'd like to put my wikipedia data from wikidroyd to the internal storage. Hopefully I'm skilled enough to follow the given steps...I doubt that though :o
[Milestone 2 Android Development] oTToToTenTanz:
Guys, I need your help! I have exactly. The same problem:

Every time I try to mount my storage.img I get

Ioctl LOOP_SET_FD failed: Device or resource busy.

I rebooted several times and also tried to mount smaller images (first I tried 3gb then I tried 1mb).

Any solution?

Edit: I solved it myself. I always forgot to punch in busybox before the command. Now it worked for me!!
[Milestone 2 Android Development] oTToToTenTanz:
I do have a question now. With help of Gscript I made a shortcut to mount the storage.img to my sdcard. But my pc wont recognise the sdcard as long as the image is mounted. What is the command to unmount the partition so I wouldnt have to reboot my phone before connecting it to the pc...?

Any help is much appreciated! Thx

(Something like busybox unmount -o loop -t vfat...?)
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
umount /sdcard/storage

you can create another Gscript shortcut, with su permission
[Milestone 2 Android Development] oTToToTenTanz:
Alright, works perfectly for me! Thank-you patton!
[Milestone 2 Android Development] frenetico:
After the busybox mount command I get the console's answer "mount: can't read 'etc/fstab: No such file or directory" and I have absolutely no idea what that means. :confused:
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
That error means the mount point doesn't exist, you have to use an existing folder placed in sdcard
[Milestone 2 Android Development] oTToToTenTanz:
This is why patton wrote: mkdir /sdcard/storage

Within the emulator he created the folder before mounting the .img there.
[Milestone 2 Android Development] frenetico:
Um yeah. The folder, which I was mounting, existed for sure. I'll give it another shot later. Hope it works then...
[Milestone 2 Android Development] fabricioemmerick:
Probleming with Moving Apps to SD Card on GB 2.3.3.

In Coby Kyros MID7015

it's because the sdcard is supposed to be mounted as mnt\sdcard... not as mnt\sdcard\tflash... thats the whole deal... and the only way to do this, is changing the init.d files and rebuild boot.img... ;p

Anyone who understands programming could make a script to solve this problem? I would be very grateful. The function only works when moving applications will explore the root and the root change the permission for R / W. thanks
[Milestone 2 Android Development] dangpzanco:
Well, you're in the wrong forum... If you wanna rebuild boot.img, your phone bootloader needs to be unlocked (Milestone 2's is not).

Try App2Sd on market and use that to move the apps back to the internal memory ;)
[Milestone 2 Android Development] jamieelockey:
after reading all this im quite lost and confused lol, i want to use my internal storage for music ? is there any other simple way of doing this?

thanks
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
I'm using internal storage for a lot of stuff, music and videos also...

summarizing:

You need root, busybox and a terminal emulator

1- create a file image in /data and a folder in /sdcard

mkdir /sdcard/storage

su

dd if=/dev/zero of=/data/storage.img bs=1024 count=5242880 (1024x1024x5 --> 5Gb)

busybox mkfs.vfat /data.storage.img

2- install autostart (root) from Market, create the file autostart.sh and put it on /data/opt/

for noobs:

create a blank file in /sdcard with a file manager, edit it adding this two lines:

losetup -d /dev/block/loop0 (this command prevents the "resource busy" error)

mount -o loop -t vfat /data/storage.img /sdcard/storage

save the file renaming to autostart.sh, than from terminal:

mkdir /data/opt

mv /sdcard/autostart.sh /data/opt/

PS: You can use root explorer and create/edit autostart.sh directly from /data partition

reboot the phone so you can grant su permission to autostart for the first time, on the next reboot the script will be working

Now you can put all your stuff in /sdcard/storage using http server via wifi (with File Expert for example)

Now there is a problem: USB external storage mode doesn't work because storage.img is mounted on sdcard folder so the system cannot unmount sdcard.

To solve it you need to manually unmount storage.img before connecting usb cable, and remount after cable is disconnected. To do this:

- Install Gscript lite from market and open it

-Create a umount storage script with su permission with this line:

umount /sdcard/storage

-Create a mount storage script with su permission withi this two line:

losetup -d /dev/block/loop0

mount -o loop -t vfat /data/storage.img /sdcard/storage
[Milestone 2 Android Development] c0nvict:
doesn't work for me on cm7
[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
You are right

It seems that busybox included on endless cm7 was compiled without support for large files (mkfs doesn't work with .img larger than 2 GB)
[Milestone 2 Android Development] c0nvict:
so in this line dd if=/dev/zero of=/data/storage.img bs=1024 count=5242880

how can i make it for 2gb instead of 5 so that it'll work with cm7?
[Milestone 2 Android Development] dangpzanco:
Do 5242880/5*2=???? in a calculator...

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[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
As said above:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/data/storage.img bs=1024 count=2097100

mkfs.vfat /data/storage.img

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[Milestone 2 Android Development] c0nvict:
Also could changing busybox from titanium backup help me having 5gb in CM7?
[Milestone 2 Android Development] dangpzanco:
Maybe you don't have enough space on /data...

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[Milestone 2 Android Development] patton82:
In /data there are 6,2 Gb memory free after a fresh install, so at least 5 Gb can be used for data storage

You can try to repleace standard busybox shipped with cm7, but it's a risky task

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