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[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
A lot of it has to do with certain missing features. MS did say they would be doing the updating on WP7 and people expect the system to be competitive with the competition for features. That is one of the biggest issue with the first couple of updates. People want MS to get the system up-to-date and are tired of waiting. But I think a lot of the waiting by MS had to do with the Nokia talks. I think, now that the talks are out of the way, that updates will start to show up in a timely manner now.

I know the main selling point for me was the UI. I also considered the updating by MS when buying my HD7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Something I buy should work but if it's faulty than I demand upgrade!

FIXING THINGS!

WP7 has bugs so we demand upgrade. How hard is that to get?

Yes I pay for the product in my hands. A working finished product.

I demand from a maker to finish it.

I don't demand from them to rebuild the whole thing, but I demand bug fixing updates. Faulty -> upgrade = makers neccessity.

Let's close this topic, we know what we're talking about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
backup would have been good, i did read on one of those MS blogs out there that the guys on Myphone are working on a "cloud" based backup for WP7 which is why we cant import from it just now as development has stopped on the current version....apparently anyway

but to me that makes sence and would wrap up the whole backup idea in to one simple clean package that has proven to work on the previous platform
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
The problem here is not lack of moderation, are the people who post their opinions in a rude manner or part ...

If everyone acted like adults and less aggressive ....

Cleaned Thread!
[Windows Phone 7 General] gc48067:
I was all excited till we got to Dog.... LOL.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gc48067:
Understand your point but we are early adopters whether we like it or not - would the preference be for MS to delay release? I'm happy as long as we get an update that moves things along in the near future and that things keep getting fixed whilst I own the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeman:
I wonder if that web site who claims march 8th for our new update is same website who convinced us it was coming in January then convinced us again it was coming on Feb 7th im not pinning my hopes on these bull**** rumours no more im waiting for it to come from the horses mouth
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Can't blame them, MS themselves called it a January Update, and then changed it to just an Update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
I remember all this hilarity when I was waiting for the updates for my Palm Pre, and then 2.2 for my Desire, the big thing on the Desire was "move to SD" for me and Flash, of course, when the updtae came, Flash turned out to be very jerky and buggered up web page scrolling (so I disabled it) and move to SD only applied to a couple of the apps I had. The anticipation of waiting was more fun than what actually arrived in those cases!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Vintage144:
The only thing an update for me that would be of value would be , being able to backup your work , a file manager, the rest of the update who cares copy.paste, please , you do your real work on a desktop/laptop not on a smartphone , y'all want your christmas gifts 12 months out of a year !

Go over to the hacking section and homebrew ,you might find the fixes your looking for in there, I dont see any of the developers commenting in here and those are the ones that will make or break wp7!
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
the feb one came from some french site, the march one comes from neowin. neowin is a lot more creditable. but in the end it is still just a rumour.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
WHATEVER...
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
So you are saying that the WP7 OS has bugs such as cut nd paste... correct me if i am wrong to me bug is a software is that it works some time and do not work some time, hangs when you use certain apps or button or what ever... so your cut and paste works from time to time????

and you bought the WP7 device when every one knew what it will or will not do, unless you were the making ASS out of YOU and ME type... (ASSUME type, i better make it l=clear as u you clearly missed that the phone will not have C&P and multi tasking for a while...)

if you think you and all those ppl who think you are a customers and MS have screwed you all please bring MS to court and see whos ass will burn...

as many of the useres have said that MS did not commit any dates for the update so no one can say they are behind time...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ I think you're twisting his words up now and just making stuff up. What I read and interpreted was a whole lot different then that.

Anyway, patches need to be released ASAP. Something, anything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
I would demand bug fixes asap. like have you ever tried connecting to a hidden wifi network? or playing any video using a bluetooth headset? these are definitely broken
[Windows Phone 7 General] santacruzdz:
Bluetooth actually has some problems..i cannot actually use it with my computer, doesnt reconize it...if you add the crashes every time i go to the marketplace...i bought a wp7 because the UI was nice..and i trusted MS when they said that the update will come in January...now it is 3 months later..which is quite long in a life of a smartphone dont you think so volk ??? i dont like how MS treats customers we are..no communication no date for update?? when MS comes with Wp7 to compete with Ios or android...but with what ??? i have been screwed by the big marketing operation MS did to sell out their phones...this is only the good thing they did well...
[Windows Phone 7 General] NoDoXda:
Can't wait for the update! But not in a hurry though...the longer MS sends in the update, the longer I can enjoy all the cracked XBL games MUWAHAHAHAHA! Thanks Chevron for opening piracy to WP7 whoooooooooooo!
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
You should be banned for unreasonable twisting words and senses.

You're not worth any further discussion.

Of course I'm not talking about c&p what I stated before.

I'm talking about BUGS which affect the system and should be corrected long time ago. Bugs which are nowhere documented by MS.

Most often ones: IE crash, Market place crashes, Zune not playing music. And many others.

Please put me to your ignore list if you are planning any further clogging the forum with your worthless posts
[Windows Phone 7 General] 0711:
you rebell :eek:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
haha this comment made my day!
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
These are missing features, not bugs. And you bought the phone knowing its capabilities, you cannot blame Microsoft for your lack of research, something a lot of users here do.

You and doministry are one in the same, so of course you would. Though I agree the above posted is a little on the dramatic side, both you and him create a rift in this community for your approaches and anti-Microsoft stances.

You seem to think you're the only one worth of discussion, or those who agree with you. IE has never crashed on me, and Zune and Marketplace crashes are not as widespread as you make them out to be. Your posts are as worthless as his as you offer no resolutions, just senseless bashing and ridiculous ranting... Please, when the update arrives and it doesn't satisfy your needs, I will personally mail you a box of cotex.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Neither IE nor Zune ever crashed here. Music plays just fine. Marketplace did crash a couple of times, it's annoying but rare. Not any more frequent than my iPhone 4's touchscreen failure to react, and appstore hanged on me as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Sorry Officer, I will agree with everything you say. This is not a open forum, but a highly biased cult. Sorry to ever get out of line.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
so u must hate NOKIA as well now as they dumped Adroid and saying some wonderful things about it... such as crap...
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
why e u even talking.... you dont even have a WP7 device...
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
our post before u

please read your post, unless you dont read beforeou claimed all u submit... you claimed u need C&P as thats the most needed feature for you everyday...

my IE never crashed... Market place hannged twice, but that seems like its was due to the slow 3G connection... and Zune not playing music??? you are the only one i heard... i am fine with Zune and its playing music and video for me..

if you dont like ppl commenting on your post then you should be posting them on your own privete forums...
[Windows Phone 7 General] kohz87:
weird, my IE never crashed, market hanged obviously due to my network connection and zune never had any issue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
You guys just don't get it, and posts like this one simply reveal you to the rest of the users... You can try to call me biased, but I'd much prefer you call me that than to resemble whatever type of troll demeanor you appear to always carry
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
When did they ever have Android?
[Windows Phone 7 General] hboos:
I've had IE crash quite a few times as well as Marketplace (the most common) and zune (sometimes playback pauses and other times it just crashes completely)

Last night, one of my friends wanted to have a look at WP7 and it crashed on him..

Talk about embarrassment.. I had to pull out the battery! And then he said something like his wife's iphone never crashes and that's the good thing about apple products.

so there's one person who won't ever be considering a WP7 phone.

Also you guys need to chill out... we are all entitled to our opinions and so far you MS fanboys who are denying the bugs and problems with WP7 are coming across pretty brash and bigoted!
[Windows Phone 7 General] iwantnokia:
if copy and paste feature need to take about 2 to 3 months... i think mango will release end of year.... end of nov of dec.... not micrsoft fault..... lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
NOkia DID NOT WANT ANDROID ON THERE DEVICES.... I hope I am clear now...
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
boss end of the year u will have Nokia with WP7..... Congratulations..... Your wish come true....
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
I suspect MS have invested money in Nokia.. Its a smart move to get a mature hardware.... And if its true may be Nokia will be Microsoft hardware in future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The were in talks with both Google and Microsoft, and chose Microsoft.

So they chose Microsoft and dumped any plans to go with Android, in a round-about way.

That's what the poster meant.

Android doesn't need another manufacturer anyways. However, WP7 does need a manufacturer that prioritizes it over competing products. Android Manufacturers aren't given much to WP7 in terms of build quality and build materials selection, and HTC is the only one that really adds a decent amount of Value in their Hub to WP7.

Nokia will have a bit more freedom with WP7, but I'm wondering what that will do in terms of updates, especially when it comes to Nokia phones. I can't really say they are great when it comes to updates, to be honest. Prolly better than Samsung, but not like an HTC...
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
actually in terms of adding value to the OS itself (not taking into account hardware but just software and the OS as a platform), i would say that LG does the best job at this. they have quite a few nice applications they made... DLNA, Panoramic Shot, speech to text, Augmented Reality, just to name a few. Not to mention the apps which are suppose to be paid that LG are offering free.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
i heard the same from few of my friends who are using LG WP7 devices.... i will buy LG next time as got the HD7 because of its 4.3 inch screen...
[Windows Phone 7 General] the92playboy:
Does anyone else find it weird that the guys who are complaining the loudest about WP7 update not being out yet are the same ones who LOVE WM6.5? I don't recall WinMo sending out updates very damn often at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Maybe they're thinking MS has changed its tactic with the new old OS?

Sent from my Bionix powered Vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Dana is not important to me with Zune synching and win7/xb360 being Dlna compliant. The rest is fluff and giving apps away is just them trying to buy customers.

A good HTC YouTube app » Dana on a wp7 device for me. On android dlna was great because getting stuff to/from the phone (and optimized) is clunky as he'll...
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
So here you have it

"in just a few weeks, in early March." steve b MWC 2011
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
That keynote is so boring, meanwhile everyone is drooling over the new Android phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
It's boring? Microsoft is crossing some major issues off of their TODO list. I guess you'd rather just hear about hardware?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
No, I actually posted when Ballmer was going over everything we already know :D.

So far so good...
[Windows Phone 7 General] lekki:
Are you schizophrenic or something?

Compare your last two posts and see what's wrong with you:confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Most of them also don't own a WP7 device, like vetvito over there...

Lmao
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
ok this one made me lol too
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
They made excelent apps. The new ones are brilliant.

And they give some free. Weave among them, the best news/rss reader I've seen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Dude why are you virtually riding my nut sack? Piss off.

We had a HD7, took it back.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lekki:
He's riding your nutsack because you're riding ours every time you come troll in here.

You took your phone back because you don't like it, don't have to try and convice us to not like it as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I'm getting a WP7 device (HD7) because it's free and I can just use the cash to ETF my Android Line, but I'm already thinking about whether I want to move back to AT&T when they get the iPhone 5, TBQH. Microsoft's updates just aren't coming through fast enough (almost 6 Months for a "NoDo" update is kind of pathetic) and I don't see myself waiting until almost the end of the year for "Mango" to deliver when the next iPhone will be so good. iOS has many of the advantages of WP7 without the sacrifice in functionality.

I will use the HD7 in the interim because I really need to get rid of Android, but the way Microsoft has handled the launch and disappointed with the promise of fast updates... iOS is the only smartphone OS from a vendor who has the sense to completely cut the carriers out of the loop and commit to delivering updates that are smaller than significant service packs. Microsoft is handling WP7 like a desktop Windows OS, and that is unacceptable to me.

Not to sound too negative, but I can already see lots of WP7 users just hanging it up and going to iOS in a year or so, because Microsoft simply isn't capable of moving as fast as Apple and didn't take enough control when it comes to updates.

Also, if they introduce Pre-Emptive MultiTasking for all third party Applications in Mango, that will be a showstopper for me and I'll definitely have to get rid of the HD7 then. That is not universally needed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I felt the same as you for a long time. But I look at everything that so far has transpired and feel the updates will get better once MS irons out its plateful with Nokia and gets the first update out. I have a good feeling about WP7 now. Especially if they come through with that multitasking they announced.

If, by the time the Mango update comes out, they are still slow with updates and things aren't as shown to be what the current announcements have lead us to believe, I also will go elsewhere. But I do have positive feelings about WP7 now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
someone engaged the BRDFM if hardware is no longer something to drool over, and mulit-tasking is a big deal.

(balmer reality distortion field machine)
[Windows Phone 7 General] rhory:
I am beginning to wonder if there is any rhyme or reason to WP7, apart from very limited applications and apps, also never appearing updates.

My HD7 is in its box after a few days of use when I got it before Xmas, the OS is very disappointing in what it can and will allow you to do, no sat nav turn by turn is poor for such a pricey system also nothing that comes anywhere near Handcent.

I am back to my HD2 running Dutty 6.5 and Android froyo 2.2, I don't think WP7 will ever reach the levels of choice both OS's give.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Be patient with WP7 a little longer. MS has been busy establishing things. Once they are settled down, MS should be able to focus more on the workings of WP7 and hopefully make it shine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
it's going to be difficult for the current beta-like release of wp7 to compete with what you're accustomed to. it almost seems m$ just let the beta out to see if you would be content with a stripped down, very fluid phone OS. i'm guessing for a new user, wp7 would seem awesomely smooth, and never touch or care about more features. feature phone maybe ? nah, that was the kin i guess. i'm still trying to put my finger on what wp7 is going to be considered a couple of years down the road.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Red Grenadine:
I don't understand how NoDo's timeframe is getting so stretched out by people discussing it.

WP7 launched on November 8th in the USA. NoDo's target release of March 8 is exactly 4 months hence, not 6 months.

Yeah, it's frustrating we haven't gotten it earlier, but lets not distort it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rhory:
I dare say the much vaunted WP7 device manager by Schapman, which has also failed to appear, would at least allow WP7 owners to control the content of their own property, microsofts attitude appears rather dictator like to me. The marketing and promotion of the WP7 is nothing short of a fiasco, paying top dollar for a beta OS is a rip off.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
still giving MS a chance but generally, i feel the same way. And so does a couple of people i know with a WP7 device
[Windows Phone 7 General] Casey_boy:
As Red Grenadine has just pointed out, you're exaggerating a little there aren't you?

From here Microsoft have officially said the NoDo update is coming in the next month (admittedly, that could be interpreted as being in the next 30days or by the end of March). The time taken for the update is 4 (maybe just under 5 in the worst case) months.

I would also imagine, and I think we've had a rough time frame already that the second major update will be around September (although I may be wrong there)?

However, I do agree that faster updates would be nice (who doesn't like new features and improvements along with bug fixes? :p) and would perhaps show more confidence in the platform.

Casey
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
To be honest, Mango is too long to wait. Smartphones aren't cheap, even when they're free on contract, because smartphone service + data plans simply aren't cheap. By the time Mango comes out, I could have brought two phones off contract with the amount I paid for the service + ETF fee.

Fast updates without carrier intervention was a huge selling point to WP7 because it meant that Microsoft could roll out functionality in batches and iterate fast on the OS. That means instead of waiting until Mango for MultiTasking, they could have added it ini.e. April and then added better Exchange support in May - not to mention other bug fixes that aren't needed (Camera not retaining settings, for example) and things that need to be added (like Twitter integration).

Unfortunately, they're taking the Service Pack route and already talking about Windows Phone 8. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth and that's actually worse than the Android manufacturers because at least they take the time add needed functionality to the phones (Exchange Support, Media Codecs, etc.) before they ship the phones.

Microsoft is asking people to buy bricks on good faith, and it just doesn't make sense.

Waiting damn near a year for an OS to get "finished" is retarded. It's actually worse than what Apple did with the iPhones.

I'm fine with it because I'm going in with my eyes open. I don't plan for WP7 to be the OS I'm using in a year at the rate Microsoft is moving. The Nokia deal suddenly doesn't mean much, if anything, to me - looking at it from another perspective.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
They've been working on the Copy and Paste since months before release, after the backlash when they told the community that it wouldn't be in the OS. Feel free to do a little research.

Basically they've been working on NoDo since before the platform launched, so more than 4 months.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hardcoreplur:
Look at the this way, iOS gets updates about every 4-6 months, android never get real updates unless you buy the next phone. M$ is actually giving us a middle of the road solution, different choices in hardware with updates and they have to verify the software updates works a crossed every phone and releasing it at the same time.

It won't take that long before wp7 has all the same software features that the other phone have.

As for myself, I would never trade my phone in for anything, my quantum works perfect (other than Marketplace).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
IOS gets patches every few weeks, whenever a threat or problem(bug) arises. Updates after.

Top Android phones receive updates. Google phones receive updates.

WP7........
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The update for WP7 is coming, but I don't think we'll get much between NoDo and Mango, which is a travesty - IMHO.

Especially if NoDo doesn't address bugs and issues in the current build, as well as bring other much wanted Quality of Life adjustments (like, again, camera options being reset everytime you exit the Camera/Video Recorder, Video to MMS, and perhaps an API that allows third parties to build IM clients for WP7, which is really killing the platform as far as the social aspects are concerned...).

Top Android phones recieve updates for like the first 6-8 months of their product lifetime and then they are forgotten. This is becomming more and more of an issue as time goes on, because manufacturers are releasing tons of devices with dispirate hardware specifications. The Epic 4G is a top Android phone and it's still on Eclair IIRC. The Vibrant update is a beta-level update that T-Mobile let out becasue of the uproar over the constantly-slipping deadlines.

WP7 at the moment is updating similar to Android, which is a strike against it when you consider Android's feature/marketing/fanboi in carrier stores advantage and the better hardware those phones ship with...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Red Grenadine:
I've done plenty of research. It doesn't matter how long they've been working on any feature. The fact remains that the platform launched to the hands of U.S. consumers on November 8th and thus those consumers will have had to wait four months for the first update.

I'm as frustrated as you regarding the speed of the update, but we haven't had to wait 6 months for NoDo.

Even without the update, I'm still enjoying the phone a lot more than I did my iPhone 4. I can live with being an initial adopter and the growing pains that come with it. It's not for everyone and that I understand
[Windows Phone 7 General] rhory:
On reflection the whole WP7 shambles is just that, it reminds me of the King has no clothes story. I don't know what phone/OS the reviewers were looking at, when they wrote up the total nonsense about WP7, microsoft must do good hospitality.

The OS is a crock, I am sorely tempted to flash my HD7, which is lying in its box, I cannot see WP7 amounting to anything worth persevering with.