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[Epic 4G General] rpro95:
never again!

I am never buying samsung again. EPIC FAIL!:mad:

Well after being put through the GPS issues i was having on the samsung sch-i910 omnia. Never buying samsung after going through headaches with the omnia gps and now not being able to use my audio out on my samsung car mount until the official froyo comes out.I know it says it won't be activated til froyo,I have been waiting long enough. You wasted my money and time. I have made my mind up to sell the phone and car mount on craigslist next month if froyo is not here.FU SAMsung Samsung
[Epic 4G General] asj2583:
Yea that's why I said a badass handset! When comparing the nexus s to the epic 4g all it has going for it is that it has gingerbread and that it has nfc tech on board. All in all the epic has more features than the nexus s. Hopefully that kyocera echo has good hardware on it or ill prob look into a dual core phone.
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
I love the screen on it.. but the software on this phone makes it unbearable sometimes. I mean my brothers cm7 hero hangs less and I don't think gb was designed to run on hardware so old (not to mention its a beta). Unacceptable. If they don't make with the promise of up to date software then ill be moving to htc... which is sad. So much potential.

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] russwaggs:
Our family owns 4 samsung phones, though I'll think twice about it again. I'm also evaluating a switch to Verizon. I can cancel without fees due to a corporate plan I'm on.
[Epic 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
This is my next phone http://m.gizmodo.com/5754281/kyoceras-double+headed-echo-is-nothing-more-than-mutant

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[Epic 4G General] worldwidepmp:
Never.

10/char
[Epic 4G General] themirthfulswami:
Nope. I will never buy another Samsung phone (or any other product). I don't care if the hardware is "the best", i will not support a company that treats its customers this way.

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[Epic 4G General] SAShady:
The echo looks cheap like everything else kyocera makes. Its too gimicky, and will most likely only be useful to kids/unemployed adults

Sent from my beast of an Epic on an outdated OS
[Epic 4G General] SAShady:
Lmao read the gizmodo review. Good job Sprint. Another piece o ****

Sent from my beast of an Epic on an outdated OS
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
I really don't see how unemployed adults would enjoy it in even the slightest way since the Evo shift which has to be 10x better is 50 bucks less...
[Epic 4G General] legend221:
Never again, I bought the Craptivate on launch and had nothing but issues.

They still haven't been able to fully fix the GPS and that's what I rely on regularly.

On top of that promises that it would get fixed just to buy time and not have a return of the masses.

It worked because soo many people are still stuck with them, I returned mine asap and can now save my full discount on a working phone now.

Samsung is a mistake in every shape or form.

Sent from my HTC Dream - Weighing whats out there for my next Android and or Network
[Epic 4G General] russ2048:
Unsure at this point

Unsure about future purchases of samsung products in general.
[Epic 4G General] OregonLAN:
No! I will never buy nor recommend purchasing a Samsung product to anyone, ever! Samsung is the absolute epitome of customer service for their products. The Samsung Galaxy S was/is an expensive flagship product and never should have been abandoned!

I'm an IT Director for a company in Oregon. Our Sprint contract was up a while back, so I was given a few sample phones by our Sprint sales representative. Of the samples, our company ended up purchasing several HTC EVO and HTC Shift smart phones. I still have the sample Epic in my possession, but it sits in desk draw gathering dust while waiting for a stable update.
[Epic 4G General] brian_hoffman:
No, I will not get another Samsung Phone.

I like many others was anticipating this Phone, it really is a great phone. I bought two on launch day. It was either this or the EVO for me, I got this phone because of the graphic processor and hardware keyboard. I talked my wife into one becuase FLASH support was promised "soon" and that means she would get to play Farmville and other facebook games.

This is not my first android phone, I had an HTC hero. I knew about Froyo and what it would bring to the table. Flash, Apps2Sd, and an over all speed increase with the JIT compilier.

EVO had got the Froyo upgrade the day it came out (or very soon after) and I figured that the EPIC would really have its update "soon".

As I waited, and waited the update never came. The update still is not here almost half a year later and the EPIC still is one of the most expensive and best smartphones.

It is confusing to me why lower end devices are getting the software I have been waiting for on my highend device.

I do not know how much pressure Sprint can put on Sammy. Sammy got thier one time payment with my phone purchase and Sprint gets my month to month payment.

I was promised these "features" when I bought my phone and I feel deceived.

So.. If I could find a new carrier and a new phone I really like "tegra 2" I may just jump ship all together.

I mean come on, if I buy a car and the salesman tells me If I buy it now I can bring the car back in a couple weeks and get a free engine upgrade.. Then weeks turns into months and months into half a year.. Would you buy from that dealer anymore?

I dont care whos at fault. As far as I am concerned both Sprint and Sammy are. Sprint promised something they could not deliver and it is not really worth Sammys time to work on a product they already made thier money off of.

So, I know how sammy works opposed to HTC and I know that Sprint will lie to get my money.

Brian
[Epic 4G General] TheDub:
Despite their slow update process and flaky GPS yes. (Rock solid GPS on DK28 personally)

It's still one of the best Android phones out there and even people who review phones for a living are still crowning it over new HTC's and Motorola's.

The update will happen, we already have great froyo roms. I don't see why everyone insists on throwing such a huge fit, yes it's been delayed over and over.. but I guess I don't mind delays if it means making the release better... (yes yes no flash or apps2d but has anyone realized how great 2.1 runs?)

I'm far from bias towards any one company, I would buy a HTC if by my next upgrade there was a nice slider. No the shift is not a good epic alternative if you're looking for a upgrade..

Everyone who hates Samsung so much, go buy a Evo Shift without remorse, I dare you.

Oh yeah and my first Android experience was the Samsung Moment. You guys think you have it rough with the Epic?! You think THIS is ROUGH?! Oh man that phone had some pretty serious issues for the first 6 months of it's life, people vowed never ever to buy a Samsung again because of the moments rough start, but guess what? Most of them got Epics :) After the 2.1 update and a custom ROM or two it was a pretty decent experience but oh man the epic is on a whole different level. You know what the Moment did do right? After over a year of use and abuse the screen was still perfect, many many drops without a case which left their mark BUT it still worked. That thing's a tank, I'll never sell it, lol. Samsung does more things right then wrong.
[Epic 4G General] imwillzillla:
I can't wait for the lame "Evo can't support what the Epic can" type of argument to die. I own an epic and my wife has an Evo. You can name processors and quadrants all you'd like, all's I know is there's not one App on my phone than can't be run on hers. Epic has a keyboard and that's it.... everything else is just technical stuff to fight insecurities about a phone that has zero support.

No matter what you want to say about the so called inferior Evo it is still sprints current flagship phone.

And what cutting edge move did Samsung make? The instinct? Lol@that....

Ask me about my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
[Epic 4G General] Hasseo:
I will try to avoid buying any Samsung product in the future.

I'm adding them to my blacklist of companies never to buy from which also include:

- Gateway

- Radio Shack (for electronics... components are fine.)

- GEEK SQUAD

- Andddddd SAMSUNG.
[Epic 4G General] running_the_dream:
Well, the phone is still a boss. People are pissed about 2.2, but I have the leaked dk28 and I think it's great. I would be pissed too but for having dk28 with a nice rom installed. I can say one thing sure; I'm definitely not buying that POS Kyocera Echo :p
[Epic 4G General] TheDub:
HTC puts no life into their products (by comparison). Yay an LCD screen, yay a snapdragon, yay a 8MP camera that is outperformed by a 5MP camera on the Epic..

Samsung hardware wise definitely has an edge... SAMOLED, Hummingbird, Decent Camera, DIVX codecs.., a beastly GPU that will likely not be inferior for quite some time... the phone's rather future proof in a lot of ways.

Same kind of idea back in the Hero v Moment days... The hero was the same 500 something mhz processor with a lcd screen like most of the Android phones of the time and then there was Samsung.. hello first Amoled and hello 800MHZ processor.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Except the fact that the moments 800MHz processor sucked even compared to the 528MHz in the hero...
[Epic 4G General] TheDub:
I know it sucked compared to the OMAP 600mhz Droid processor but I could have sworn it outperformed the Hero...
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Maybe in benchmarks but in real world use the Hero smoked the Moment
[Epic 4G General] insanity213:
After how they treated the Moment users they should have taken a more serious approach with updates to this phone. The Moment was declared end of life in less than a year and they never fixed any of it's major issues. The Epic is shaping up to have the same fate. Even if they release 2.2, this is still going to be a broke ass phone. I could care less what they call the next update - it could be an MR for 2.1 or FrozenExcrementOnAStick for all I care, they'd just better make this thing work right.

Even if we ever get an update that could fix all bluetooth problems, give us a working GPS, fix the TWS and DRM bugs, cure world hunger, AIDS, cancer and crap golden twinkies I still won't buy another product from this lame excuse of a company. They obviously don't give a damn about their customers.
[Epic 4G General] OregonLAN:
Haha, I hear that, that Kyocera is a fugly POS!

It's obvious that Sprint has lost some direction recently. First, they increase the price of their data plans by $10.00 across the board. Then, they eliminate the Sprint Premiere upgrade plan for 99% of their loyal/paying customers. Finally, they release substandard phones.

No thanks! At this point I'm sticking with my EVO until my ETF is affordable enough to recoup my losses. Then, I'm selling my EVO and Epic on eBay and buying a next generation Android or iPhone device on another carrier.
[Epic 4G General] TheDub:
I blame software because with the custom roms that came out it held its own pretty nicely.. I think they end of lifed it because of incurable serious hardware problems, radio lockup anyone.

The Epic won't reach the EOL stage nearly as quickly, Sammy said it will receive 2.3 even.. The epic is part of their Galaxy S line, the Moment was just their oddball first US android phone that didn't have any siblings, nor was it a "flagship" device.

The epic in the first few months received more update attention (MR's) then I think the Moment did in its entire product life span...

What I wish I saw more of in this forum wasn't useless shouting over the god damn 2.2 update. It WILL happen, it WONT change your life, nor will it offer that much more over our current Froyo roms.. yes some source tweaks, potentially CM6 being fully baked, but other then that you're going to have the same experience you're already getting now. At least Sammy didn't load up one of Motorola's encrypted boot loaders..
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Except MOTOs locked bootloaders actually increase the dev activity because they see it as a challenge...
[Epic 4G General] TheDub:
Pfft. I see CM as a challenge, and all I see is a bunch of people pushing noobnl in particular to make it happen for them while they all complain and moan about what they don't have instead of being grateful for what they do have.
[Epic 4G General] bnguyen1983:
Sammy said a lot of ****. Such as 2.2 before the end of the year? Then they mysteriously went silent and woah look its the Nexus S! with 2.3! Now we're hearing talks about 2.4 and yet the Galaxy S line is still under 2.1 except for Tmobile which they only released cause their internal memos got leaked GG.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
My simple answer is yes. I'm VERY satisfied with my phone. Samsung may not be software experts, but they certainly know how to hook you up with hardware.
[Epic 4G General] gismo4:
i won't. if i'd known about samsung before this, i'd of went with the evo. i was just worried about adjusting to touch screen texting. swype has quickly made me fall in love with it.
[Epic 4G General] csmacdroid:
Yes! Even if I need to wait for a leaked upgrade. This phone is beyond...
[Epic 4G General] megabiteg:
No

Sent from my Epic 4G powered by midNIGHT 3.1 w/ EXT4 ROM AIO
[Epic 4G General] Ex0d0s:
I enjoy using my Samsung Epic, but I just would not trust Samsung with another phone. This company has no regard for giving updates and we have seen this all the Galaxy S phones.
[Epic 4G General] Mistamike17:
OK, ladies and gents. This thread has gone exactly as I figured it would. With less than 17% of people saying that they would buy another Samsung phone, it's a wonder this company is still in the business of making phones.

Here's what I suggest. If you have a twitter account, retweet the first post or any post in this thread to @Sprint and @SamsungMobileUS with the hash tag #epicfail. Let these people know that you're not happy about how they're treating their customers so that this crap does not happen again.
[Epic 4G General] Smuuv:
Nope! My first Samsung phone was the Moment and my last is the Epic. Based on their previous track record, an HTC branded phone will be my choice.
[Epic 4G General] Geekybiker:
No. I would have never bought a phone with this small of internal memory without the promise of moving apps to sd in froyo.
[Epic 4G General] Ex0d0s:
I think we should retweet and retweet Samsung and Sprint until we get Froyo for the Epic. Vibrant users got Froyo in a period of weeks after they started twitting #neveragain and I guess the lawsuit over the Galaxy S 4G on TMo helped too.
[Epic 4G General] llontop.m:
ummm

the answer is F*** NO.
[Epic 4G General] Mistamike17:
Absolutely. I'm on a 3-way conference call with both Sprint and Samsung customer care trying to find answers. I'm not letting them off the phone until someone tells me when the update will be ready. Sprint couldn't find me an answer in both Sprint Care and Advanced Tech Support, so they decided to conference me in with Samsung Customer Care.
[Epic 4G General] adamw1101:
I will absolutley buy another samsung phone. They have the best hardware! The dev community is growing! And have you seen that screen!?. Although I will never buy a samsung phone on the "Now Network." Sprint doent want to service our phones then im not giving them my money
[Epic 4G General] adamw1101:
We should just explode their twitter page
[Epic 4G General] Mistamike17:
Do it. I just spent an hour telling them that they've pissed off the contingent of die hards that people turn to for phone advice.
[Epic 4G General] dieselg5:
Never again.
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
You have my sincere sympathy. You've learned a hard lesson.

In all cases, not just cellphones, software release plans are never certain. Relying on projected dates or plans is never wise, whether a cell phone or a huge corporate server. The myriad complex variables that go into releasing new software (not least of which is the engineering) are not fully deterministic. Release plans are always prospective, not commitments.

If Samsung and/or Sprint have promised Froyo for the Epic, then it's fair to hold them to account if they break that promise. However, no company ever promises -- guarantees -- schedules and dates. Relying on "best estimate" dates is a mistake.

Sent from my mind using telepathitalk
[Epic 4G General] wolffer0:
I have learned to never buy a samsung product no matter how good it looks and works ever again. and this is sprints flagship phone? I sure do hope the nintendo DS phone knockes it off the shelf and breaks it into a million pieces of trash it is now. I would feel a lot differently if this phone was supported but it is not going to be ever. proof= nexus s!! that phone skipped 2.2 and has 2.3 WTF!
[Epic 4G General] vansmack:
I went through this EXACT SAME issue with the HTC Hero and Eclair, so this is not a manufacturer specific issue.

When my contract is up, I'm going with with a straight Google phone and will decide among the carriers that have straight Google OS phones.

Never again will I wait for manufacturer or carrier upgrades that offer me absolutely no benefit.
[Fascinate General] bswright:
Anyone else heard about this? Supposedly a less buggy Froyo. I'll post the change info shortly.
[Fascinate General] phooky:
do you mean EB01? this is already being discussed, changelog is here: http://www.droid-life.com/2011/02/07/samsung-fascinate-android-2-2-eb01-gallery/

Here is the changelog:

1. Updated to support the Google Froyo 2.2 software
2. Added support for SMS Delivery acknowledgement
3. Addressed an issue seen in some cases were users would lose their data connection and have to either power cycle or turn on and off airplane mode to recover
4. A UI change was made to correct the spelling of “Dialled Calls” in the dialer app.
5. Addressed an issue where the speaker button was not working when connected to a Bluetooth device.
6. A software change was made to enhance the reliability of the syncing of IMAP and POP 3 e-mails accounts
7. You can now move messages between folders in the exchange mail client
8. Addressed an issue found when connected to the car dock and you turn off the back light the connection defaults to the speakerphone when you turn the back light back on
9. Addressed a “force close” error message seen when you select “delete all” in your sent or trash folders in your exchange e-mail account
10. You can now save a contact you found using a Global Address Look up.
11. Addressed an issue found when using Bing Voice search causing the device to give the error message “thinking” and “make sure you are connected to a network and try again”.
12. When using the Voice Command application it will not display duplicate names and numbers for the same contact that was found from multiple sources.
13. Addressed an issue when using the Desktop dock which in some cases was causing the idle screen image to appear to be burned into the screen
14. The color scheme in the calendar has been changed
15. Enhancements were made to improve the update consistency of the feeds and widgets
16. Protected Media licenses are now stored on the memory card so if the device is factory reset these protected content licenses will not be lost
17. The Swype application will no longer capitalize letters inappropriately
[Fascinate General] bswright:
Ok, wasn't able to copy and paste from within app. Anyways, here's the link to the article:

Samsung Fascinate Build EB01 Nearing - A Less Buggy Froyo http://phandroid.com/?p=40084
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the fascinate doesn't run Froyo yet. Are you referring to the program that resembles Froyo aka DL30 leak...yeah, that's not officially froyo, EB01 is Froyo.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Neither are official. Why are you talking in nonsensical riddles?

EB01 also will NOT be the final version, aka, the 'official' Froyo.
[Fascinate General] bswright:
Lol, agreed. I enjoyed the pics in the other article. I see they have a modem for this one too to match. :)
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
For not being Froyo(:confused:), it does a damn good job of "resembling" it :p
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
Who said anything about "final" bud? I didn't...I said "official" as in the first version that will be released to those who prefer ota updates...or the first version that will be pushed out that is safe to install on your phone without voiding warranty...or the first...you get the point.
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
And ubuntu can look just like windows/mac....but it's not :)

New modem, new build, official froyo. Not something made to resemble froyo on an old modem. Official is official.
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
Maybe so, but there is no way you could install Windows or Mac applications on Ubuntu and have them run properly. If it's not Froyo, then why are Froyo only apps (Chrome2Phone, Flash, etc) working? And I'm assuming you haven't rooted your phone or flashed any custom ROMs/kernels since you're so worried about you warranty...
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Contradict much? if it aint final, it aint official.

I don't care if there is a modem or not.

It just so happens, we protect our sources, and we did not get a modem with DL30.

That makes it just as official as EB01.
[Fascinate General] bswright:
I've been enjoying DL30 so far. Yes it has some issues, but it makes me feel good that its improving with all the devs hard work on here. I tried kaoscinate briefly, and love the bliss theme for it, but couldn't handle some of the missing pieces. Excited to see official and unofficial builds out there, as it helps me get the phone I bought (in my mind at the time). Just happy to see more options than on my previous BB Storm 1. Keep up the excellent work. :)
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
Actually, I dual boot my linux box with Windows 7 so I can run my music making software.

And alas, I have cricket on my fascinate for private use and sprint epic for traveling. My Fascinate has been flashed with full talk and text by your's truly before there was any guides...and it was rooted and customized from the first drop. Since I don't have a warranty, who cares.

And per adrynalyne, I think you may be confused on what I deem official. I deem something official when you can flash your phone back to stock and the carrier sends out an OTA update and it takes. So if my research serves fruitful, DL30 will not get pushed OTA but EB01 will therefore making DL30 unofficial and EB01 official. If you need a further break down, I'd be glad to have my son draw you a schematic with crayons?
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
EB01 will not be pushed.

Your research proves to be an epic FAIL.

As for your son with his crayons...maybe Samsung hired him for eb01?

Here is a screenshot of your 'official' eb01.
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
Couldn't agree more, glad to see some progress being made. Just sad to think that XDA developers will probably optimize the hell out of this before there is even an OTA push...
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
If it will not be pushed...then I have been schooled :D

Naw...he spits the ABC's in his sleep...he's to smart for that big of a flop lol

Edit: Curious how many ppl would catch that though...
[Fascinate General] scriz:
::Gets popcorn ready:: This is gonna be a good show! :eek:
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Not only schooled, but you received an F, for FAIL.
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
1. That is the dumbest logic I've ever heard. If I wanted, I could flash back to DL09 right now and get EA28. Also, that would make everything we have for the Fascinate official as you can flash back to a stock image from any of them and get OTA updates.

2. Does that mean that DJ05 was official before we knew about DL09?

3. Do you have this key on your keyboard? Your posts seem to suggest that you do.
[Fascinate General] jenisiz:
What can I do to turn that F into a Fantastic?