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[HTC Inspire 4G] acPIZZA:
I'm coming from an iPhone 4, which I sold in minutes through Amazon for $500.

The extra $500 cash, + the fact that someone on my family plan has an upgrade they don't need = me making out like a theif on release day.
[HTC Inspire 4G] sliderocket22:
I would be weary, I was planning on getting one until I saw the HSPA+ data plans for AT&T's phones. Having been a customer for years, I am grandfathered into unlimited data, and I have a strange feeling AT&T will not let unlimited data users keep their plans. You have to be on an HSPA+ plan in order for the phone to register data. So we'll see. It'll be disheartening if AT&T makes people jump off unlimited for a "4G" phone.
[HTC Inspire 4G] acPIZZA:
what is an hspa+ plan? I haven't seen anything anywhere about a hspa specific plan.

edit: straight from the inspire page on ATT.com - "†HTC Inspire 4G: Requires a minimum data service starting at $15/month. Two-year contract required. Qualified customers only. HTC Inspire 4G is configured to work only with the wireless services provided by AT&T. AT&T Wi-Fi: Access includes AT&T Wi-Fi Basic. Other restrictions apply. See www.attwifi.com for details and locations."

Do you know something we do not know? Or are you simply referring to the $15/$25, 200mb and 2gb plans as hspa+ plans? I read your post as if you need to purchase some kind of hspa+ premium on top of your current data plan... but after editing this post for the third time I think you are just talking about having to give up unlimited data for a 2gb plan. Correct me if I am wrong.
[HTC Inspire 4G] LSUtigers03:
Is it difficult to sell something on Amazon? I want to unload my iPhone 4 but I don't really want to use ebay because Paypal holds your money for too long.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Sean3:
I went to ATT last weekend because I had the same concern about my unlimited data grandfathered plan. The rep assured me that my existing plan would not change outside of adding an additional $10 on to my current data charges. He told me that my data plan had to cost a certain amount to qualify for the upgrade. So, instead of changing the plan to one that qaulifies, he was just going to increase the cost of my existing plan so that it would qualify.
[HTC Inspire 4G] sliderocket22:
If someone has some concrete info on this...then I would reconsider, because I don't mind $10 for keeping unlimited. But from what I've seen and know from AT&T people I know, I haven't seen a shred of evidence that AT&T is going to let us keep unlimited. I know that's what Sprint does with their service plans for 4G, but to me it seems like that rep didn't have a good answer for you so they just made it up. One could only hope that they're right though!
[HTC Inspire 4G] acPIZZA:
It was actually extremely simple. I even spoke to a customer service rep with some questions I had about the process. She was actually extremely polite and happy to help. I would absolutely prefer it over ebay, although with a new seller account they are going to hold your money for at least 14 days, but I'm not worried.

You list your item, if someone buys it and are confirmed with amazon, you simply receive an email telling you to ship now. You print the shipping info, slap it on the box (insure the box and request sign-on-delivery as well for good measure). Then when you send it out, the post office notifies amazon and you get paid. It's pretty damn air-tight... although I should knock on wood... the money isn't in my Bank of America account yet - however it is in my Amazon account so I'm just waiting on that to go through.
[HTC Inspire 4G] sliderocket22:
No there will be HSPA+ specific plans, same pricing scheme but they're coded differently in AT&T's systems. HSPA+ phones will not be able to connect to data services unless they're on a compatible plan. If I can get ahold of some info on this I'll be sure to share it with everyone, but look for these to hit the 13th when the Inspire comes out. I'll see what I can find out from AT&T.
[HTC Inspire 4G] magnumforce2006:
When I pre-ordered my Inspire today from Radioshack, I asked the Radioshack employee whether I would need to get a new 4g plan for the phone, he was unsure, and thus called his store's AT&T partner store.

The AT&T employee on the other line said that he did not hear of any new plan being necessary, and said the current smartphone plans would be fine.
[HTC Inspire 4G] acPIZZA:
This is news to me. This goes against everything posted under the 4g phone on their website, which is why I am skeptical. Is it a plan just coded differently, or will this cost me more than 25 dollars a month? Please post details as you find them.

EDIT: From what you are saying - you know what this sounds like to me? What it sounds like, is that these "4g plans" which are just 'coded different' in the system, yet 'necessary' for the phone... sounds like a bs technicality they might use to force people to drop their unlimited. Because the official website has the details in fine print at the bottom talking about the two current tiered plans... I would put money on this being the case: everyone that wants their new 4g phone is going to have to choose an equivalent '4g' tiered data plan.

If this is in fact the case it doesn't affect me - I've been on the 2gb plan for a while now. I would start searching now for a loophole so you lucky unlimited dudes can have your cake and eat it too!
[HTC Inspire 4G] slapdaddy:
I shall buy one! And enjoy it thoroughly! :D I've been reading and watching reviews for it wherever I can find them and am anxiously awaiting the 13th.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Sean3:
I would suggest going by an ATT store and ask someone about it just to be sure. I insisted that I keep my current plan and the rep said no problem. He confirmed my plan was grandfathered and said that he would need to add $10 to my current data bill to make it qualify. He said that would be the only part of my plan that would change. I must have said to him "are you sure" several times. It may not be $10 for everyone. It could be more or less. I imagine it depends on how much you pay now. That's at least my experience here in good ole' snowy Tulsa, Oklahoma. Either way, I can't say if there is some mandate with ATT that you have to have some 4g plan. If they go back on what they told me, I'll certainly strongly reconsider the upgrade.

EDIT: I've googled around a little and found a few threads outside XDA were this is being discussed. Some have contacted ATT about it and were told that as long as they had their plan prior to June 7, 2010 they could in fact keep their plan.
[HTC Inspire 4G] darkbluexplorer:
i woulnt mind paying an extra $10 a month if i get to keep my unlimited data plan. ill just pull out the old i work for the goverment card and get my 20% discount which should cover the extra $10 nicely :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] sliderocket22:
So, I just had dinner with some AT&T management friends, and I brought this up. I didn't get much, except for one of them saying he thinks if you're grandfathered you're grandfathered. Very dodgy response, but I can understand. We can only hope that we aren't going to lose unlimited, or yes it will be loophole time!
[HTC Inspire 4G] seanfinn:
Why so people keep saying its a new plan..or your going to get your unlimited taken? Nowhere has att said anything different about smartphone data plans..minimum $15 a month plan required period.
[HTC Inspire 4G] FLAC Vest:
That's what I always thought too; hell, even at the bottom of the art pages where they show the specs for the Inspire and Infuse, it shows the regular, 15/25 dollar data plans, nothing new.

Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
[HTC Inspire 4G] sliderocket22:
Good news everyone. I was just informed today that we in fact, keep our unlimited plans. However, anyone who wants tethering (through AT&T) will be required to move to the tiered $45 4GB plan. Apparently this information was not available at first when at&t let its employees know yesterday.
[HTC Inspire 4G] sliderocket22:
And for those of you who had trouble understanding what I was talking about prior, it works like this: Yes the data plans are the same ($15 for 200MB, $25 for 2GB, $45 for 4GB with tethering (starts the 13th)), however there are varying types of data plans within AT&T's billing systems. Take a Blackberry for example, unless you have a Blackberry smartphone plan on your line, it will not connect to RIM's services, it doesn't cost more than an iPhone data plan, but it's coded differently. The same will hold true with the HSPA+ plans when they're released. No different pricing, just a different code. The problem with that was when they were first brought to light, there was no information about people with grandfathered unlimited data plans being part of this until today, so it seemed like AT&T would make you jump ship from unlimited data in favor of an HSPA+ coded tiered plan instead.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mindbuRn:
I will be getting one and passing my Captivate down to the wife. I've been wanting a quality HTC phone for a couple years now and I believe that day has finally come. Plus if you refer to the attached picture it almost seems as though it's a sign, almost like a devine message from the heavens that this phone was meant for me. My only worry about getting the Inspire is being able to keep my unlimited data plan, hopefully what people are saying is true and I'll be able to keep it without any problems.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Imalek0:
i just pre-ordered my phone at radio shack today.

The no-commitment price of the phone will be.... $450, (better than the speculated $500)

i can confirm this as, i am buy the phone no-contract and i personally read through all the literature that radio-shack hands out to their employees about the phone and it's pre-order (im not a radio shack employee, it was just on the counter as the guy helping me had no clue how to pre-order at the no-commitment price)

so radio shack here i come on sunday!!

p.s. as everyone knows, radioshack is offering a $30 accesory credit when you pre-order the phone, which at their prices basically means a free case
[HTC Inspire 4G] Fuzzy John:
Poor wives... they always end up with the scraps. :eek:
[HTC Inspire 4G] acPIZZA:
haha It is true, but then again the way my girlfriend treats her cell phone - she isn't capable of owning a nice phone. We have been together for two years, and in that two years time she has:

-Dropped her phone in a puddle in a parking lot, which I actually found a day later (it was too late).

-Left a phone at a bar.

-Broke my old iPhone 3Gs that I had given to her to use as an ipod. I must have dropped that phone more than a dozen times in a year and it was fine. She drops it once and breaks the screen.

-She currently has a brick-like LG phone and the thing looks like someone took sandpaper to it.

(a la Jerry Seinfeld) And what is the deal with women carrying their cell phones in their purses? Do you know what they carry in there?!?! EVERYTHING!!!!
[HTC Inspire 4G] dalynqwent:
Well, I'm usually a lurker, coming from SGS, I got mine in the mail today. I tried to post pics, but I don't have any posts so I can't. It shipped with 2.2.1, or at least mine did. It's really snappy.
[HTC Inspire 4G] substance12:
Can you post speed test results?
[HTC Inspire 4G] dalynqwent:
Ping 174

Dl 1.2mbps

Ul 234 kbps

This is in Washington DC, at 5:50 pm. I went to the service menu and it's only on hsdpa, no HSPA+ but the phone has the icon. I tried earlier and got garbage results. I'm still trying to figure out if this thing has an 850 only option like my Captivate did, yet to find it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Aridon:
What is up with those crappy upload speeds? Jeez. The radio needs an update.
[HTC Inspire 4G] kornklown69:
Thought bout it...think ima hold out for the infuse
[HTC Inspire 4G] dalynqwent:
Indeed it does. I know the radio sucks because on my Captivate I'm usually pulling 3.0 Dl or 1.8 ul or better consistently.
[HTC Inspire 4G] FLAC Vest:
Same here; I just checked here in Tallahassee, FL and last night I was getting around 3.3 dl and 1.X upload.

HSUPA
[HTC Inspire 4G] substance12:
and do either of you have a "fix" that removes the upload cap? or have a N1/iphone which don't have the cap? i can get 1mbps upload on my n1.
[HTC Inspire 4G] blaze0303:
I pre-ordered yesterday. Cant wait til sunday!
[HTC Inspire 4G] dalynqwent:
Nothing is going to fix the upload cap, a good radio will get you something at least over 1 mbps, ul doesn't really bother me as I rarely upload anything. Dl does I'm usually getting work attachments all day
[HTC Inspire 4G] laxwillsch:
This is exactly what I thought until someone on XDA explained the importance of Upload Speeds. It is not just used for uploading things. It is in fact directly linked to DL speeds. If your upload is slow it will clog your connection and the download will stop until all the BS gets uploaded. My understanding is that it is a constant up down communication to the interweb. If you have ever had a captivate or other phone with the little H symbol with the two lines at the bottom left and top left directly to the right of the H you will see them light up in different intervals and if you ever see both of them stop blinking and your download stops pay attention to what happens next. The upload indicator will light up before the download indicator and then your download resumes. So all in all UL does matter. I am just hoping that this is fixed with the supposed backhaul, or we can use a HSUPA enabled modem like i am using on my cappy. Either way I am buying it off contract on release day and i will see how it goes. Worst case I will return it, sadly I am not the least bit interested in a locked bootloader or another Samsung, so I guess I will be forced to wait on a LTE HTC.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Chaptop:
Just sold my iPhone, will be heading down to Deleware for tax free buying Sunday. :D
[HTC Inspire 4G] King Shady:
Getting one Sunday for my birthday :). Can't wait to ditch Samsung Crapwiz for beautiful HTC Sense :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] FLAC Vest:
What? Lol your e getting rod of the Captivate? Why man lol. If you don't like Touch wiz why don't you get a custom tom or at lest a launcher?

Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
[HTC Inspire 4G] Aridon:
Because all of the Galaxy S phones have some serious short comings to go with some of the awesomeness. Namely GPS, bad radios and terrible updates from Samsung.
[HTC Inspire 4G] churro7:
I am

sent from my epic 4g with no 4g
[HTC Inspire 4G] King Shady:
First, I hate the Captivate build quality. It feels like plastic ****. Second, HTC Sense is way better than the Touchwiz Interface. And third, the Infuse has the new 4G. All in all I will only lose about 150 bucks because im selling the captivate on ebay for hopefully 340-350
[HTC Inspire 4G] kitzuki:
Got one from a HTC event a couple of days ago this is probably the best android Device i have used ever the will put pictures up later tonight after work

sorry about the pics will get better ones after work
[HTC Inspire 4G] rhart729:
I bringing my Dell Streak back today and going back on

Sunday for one of these!

The 5" screen is awesome on the Streak, but it is randomly rebooting, dropping out of the app screen without any input from me, etc.

Besides, I'm one of the many who if it weren't for the guys over at the Davinci Team, I would have still been waiting for the 2.1 upgrade for the Xperia x10. I'm not going through that again!
[HTC Inspire 4G] sliderocket22:
I got one today, this thing is quite the beast. I was blown away by the build quality of the device is top notch. I'm not in an HSPA+ area, but as others have commented, it doesn't show a different symbol when you are not on it. Side by side with my Captivate, the HSDPA speeds are similar, but HSUPA is throttled on it, I consistantly got around .200 Mbps. I will try to post some pics and speed test results later on after I have more time to mess around with the phone. Software is snappy, running 2.2.1. I'm still just impressed at how much more this weighs than my Captivate, I love both phones, but it feels like I have more of a device with my Desire HD (I don't like the name Inspire) than I do with the Captivate.
[HTC Inspire 4G] legend221:
It's just plain pathetic how Sony Ericsson has said that their x10 doesn't need anymore support. What! Sony is as obsolete as the walkman in my opinion. They've washed their hands of the device since they don't care one way or another if the x10 community is happy or not. Samsung is pretty much the same thing with their craptivate, vibrant and etc. smartphones. When will they understand that most people are stuck with their device for 2 years, yet some manufacturers give up on it only afew months after launch :-/

With that being said my almost 2 and a half year old android has already gone up to 2.2.1 The xda dev community and any others that have helped with the betterment of the device is STILL going strong. I attribute this to HTC's part as well as they know about peoples desire of roooting and modifying thier phones and dont do what Motorola does by completely disabling the bootloader. Its going to be hard trusting any other company now (coming from a 2 day owned Samsung Craptivate then returning it to AT&T).

Moral of the story: Trust in HTC and the ingenius minds of the members that do so much work here at XDA. My sincere thanks for all that do what they do.

Sent from the Originator of android awesomeness, the HTC Dream / G1
[HTC Inspire 4G] bkeaver:
has anyone seen the new 4G data plan policy. Anyone that currently has unlimited data plans will have to give those up because they are making you redo your data plans.

http://www.androidcentral.com/atts-4g-policies-revealed
[HTC Inspire 4G] Chaptop:
I was angry at first, but someone was explaining to me that this may just be a continuation of current policy: no new unlimited contracts. I'm hoping that's the case, and will be waiting for confirmation. If that is the case, fine, if not, I will not be using att when my contract is up.
[HTC Inspire 4G] r_3:
As per my conversation when negotiating my early upgrade with att, they said I wouldn't have to make any changes to my account it would just transfer over as is. I have an unlimited data plan.
[HTC Inspire 4G] sliderocket22:
Look again, or check my previous posts in this thread. I had wind of this a few days ago, and already had clarification that AT&T in fact will not be making people with unlimited data give up theirs. The person who leaked this, didn't get the entire memo, as more of it was made available to AT&T employees the next day after they initially informed them of it. It helps to be friends with some AT&T upper management! ^_^ but I had the same concerns at first when I heard.
[HTC Inspire 4G] darkbluexplorer:
Good.. dont wana give up what i dont have to!
[HTC Inspire 4G] mindbuRn:
He probably found it at a bar in California somewhere and Apple will be giving him a call and wanting it back. Wait.... what?
[HTC Inspire 4G] tpbklake:
ROFL :D

That was good...
[HTC Inspire 4G] LockeCPM4:
I got mine today and I had to set up the apn manually. Any of you other early birds experience this?
[HTC Inspire 4G] darkbluexplorer:
Lucky ______ ______... you can fill in the blank :) i read in another thread that the phone sounds kinda tinny when you make calls and its quiet with the external speaker for ringtones and what not.. care to fill us in?!
[HTC Inspire 4G] twopumpchump:
after a long layoff from xda(wm bores me), i'm back :) i will have the inspire on sunday, my first android device and i cant wait to hack the hell out of it hehe.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Old MuckenMire:
Kick ass! :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] Fuze-A-Rama:
Im in. Its gotta be one of the most tested phones out there. Im just tired of trying to play catchup. These phones are obsolete right outta the store. I figure thisll be much better than my Tilt2. But by next year,phones will be running quadcore. Hopefully right at 18 months,when Ill be reay for my next upgrade!

It is pitifull that these phones have no LTE. LTE will be here this summer. That means Ill have to suffer with my new 4G phone,with no LTE! They better letus keep our unlimited when LTE comesout? Whatev....wont matter to any of us new Inspire owners. We're stuck with a 4G phone that wont work with LTE!
[HTC Inspire 4G] sliderocket22:
Now that you mention it.....I think Eric Schmidt and Ralph de la Vega left me a few voicemails last night...uh oh. Where's Gizmodo when you need to dump off something?
[HTC Inspire 4G] legend221:
This is the reason Im buying mine, review taken from another site:

"The Inspire 4G is the best Android handset being offered by AT&T at the moment. It gets almost all the basic features right.

The calling experience, contact management, battery life and Sense user interface make using the systems of the Inspire 4G a breeze. I was pleased with call quality, though during my testing period I was unable to find any of those 4G speeds being touted by AT&T however.

HTC has made some tasteful improvements to the email and SMS options, and the social networking features are nearly limitless with the help of the Android Market. HTC also improved the music player (huzzah for EQs!) and the video playback options are better than on most other Android handsets.

Add in good camera software, good imaging capabilities, a strong browser and a highly customizable user experience, and what you get is a solid phone.

For $99, the Inspire 4G is an easy phone to recommend. If you like big-screened Android phones that work really well, look no further than the Inspire 4G."
[HTC Inspire 4G] JetBlk:
Anyone have a Nexus One that is thinking about getting one of these? I currently have an AT&T Nexus One and I'm debating whether to get one of these on Sunday...
[HTC Inspire 4G] Anthonok:
I was going to wait for the atrix but i think im gonna just pick one of these up. The atrix laptop dock is WAY to expensive since id be getting the phone off contract.
[HTC Inspire 4G] FLAC Vest:
Oh ok, well that's reasonable concerning making that money back.

However I don't know why so many people don't like the build quality; maybe if they took a couple of physics courses they would see the positives of having a phone built like the captivate.

Medium to low strength but relatively toughness maid for a great combination for something that gets dropped a lot.

Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
[HTC Inspire 4G] FLAC Vest:
Gps update has been out for months now, the radio on mine is apparently good since I'm getting g way more than the inspire people are saying, and rooting and installing a 2.2.1 ROM takes 30 minutes.

Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
[HTC Inspire 4G] substance12:
Ditto.
[HTC Inspire 4G] JetBlk:
Haha are you picking one up?
[HTC Inspire 4G] dewgong:
I currently have the non smartphone unlimited data plan, will I need to get one of the 4g plans since it's not a smartphone plan?
[HTC Inspire 4G] acPIZZA:
Yes. Look at the available data plans on ATT's website.
[HTC Inspire 4G] id10terrordfw:
I was in the fence, but then I fell off of it. Yes, I will be getting this ASAP.
[HTC Inspire 4G] substance12:
I need to have one in my hands before I decide. I saw the droid x and my first thought was that was way too big. I have no idea how the DX and the inspire compare in overall size. On the other hand, i think the screen size on the n1 is too small. I have to decide which I can live with.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Anthonok:
picking mine up in the morn
[HTC Inspire 4G] seanfinn:
I think you'll love it man..I didn't want to let go of the one I had in my hands...I was tempted to bolt out the store with it lol :-)
[HTC Inspire 4G] blackviper71:
Just sold my Dell Streak today and will be at the store when they open tomorrow. Can't wait.