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[EVO 4G General] AyyRayy:
Yeah the fine print. if you go read the official data usage section it states that no more than 300mb may be used per month. Hints why 4-5gb got your service dropped instantly. You just let Verizon run over sprint then reverse and run them over with that bill they had to pay.

Sent from Evo powered by CM7
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Actually the 300MB is for data cards. There is no roaming limit. They will cancel you if the majority of your usage is roaming and towers over Sprints.

I'll keep my eye on the Bionic and the Thunderbolt. Hopefully Motorola will work with the community and not have locked bootloaders.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Correct the roaming is for minute usage not data. People get kicked for the talk not data. Data roaming booting applies to data cards as well not phones but you will be charged overages on phone data roaming.
[EVO 4G General] ZachPA:
Just occurred to me that if I want a quick exit from my Sprint contract sans ETF, maybe I should flash a VZW PRL and start hitting the 3g network hard.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Pretty much what happened to me after a few months.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
That is not correct. I am being dropped for data roaming on my Evo. No charges or anything are being applied to it.
[EVO 4G General] babyschmoof:
There is somewhat if a simple solution. Tell them you roam mostly at home and they will send you a free airave (you have to push to get it for free). Basically it is a small sprint tower that goes thru your local ISP. Ooonce powered up, about two hours) it works flawless.

Best of luck
[EVO 4G General] uniquenameevo:
Well, DS works for sprint. Maybe you should PM him your number so he can fix those missing data roaming charges.
[EVO 4G General] klquicksall:
If you log into your Sprint account and look under your plan details it says 500 mb of roaming data.

The EVO you wish you had
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
They say that there is such things that are "unlimited", but it's not really. They just set a cap so high that they believe no one will hit. Altell used to do this with their messaging plans.

It's kind of crappy that they're doing this to you, but I would avoid any Moto product unless the C-mod gets ported to it quickly. Motorola phones from what I've seen and used of them, are terrible. Moto Blur sucks, and build quality isn't bad but they have awkward builds. Decent battery life in them, and decent support for their high end devices. But that's about it.
[EVO 4G General] david279:
Yea its unlimited except for roaming. Easy way to get out your contact.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
oh noes! I might be next, I use 4-5gb/month roaming too

with 30-40gb total
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
Sprint marketing has always been clear about unlimited data being on their network only. It's been discussed here repeatedly also. In fact, if you go into the thread about the verizon network hack, it's mentioned there too.

http://shop.sprint.com/en/shop/why_sprint/4g/evo_plan_details.html

As you can see from that link, whenever sprint references unlimited data, it's always followed by a "on our network" statement. And the 300 mb off network data limit has always applied to the evo, not just data cards.

It does suck that you got nailed though. Hold out for another htc android phone though, and the devs will follow.

Sent from my blah blah blah blah
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
Isn't the verbage something like if usage is in excessive of 300mb or majority of bytes roaming, then they may cancel you.

Solution to this is very simple.. If you roam at work, but are still able to get a signal at home, every night, for several hours, stream some you tube non stop or something else thats data intensive (tether?). Enough so that the majority of your data is not longer accrued while roaming.

Rereading the terms below suggests this may not work, as the excess only need to occur in one category or the other, not both. So if you hit 300 MB, that's reason enough to cut you.. Although if it only happens one month, and is not a pattern, I doubt it'll be just cause (ie if you're traveling or something). The OP said he's been exceeding this for 4-5 months.

http://shop.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
You're the first I know of.
[EVO 4G General] luist4498:
I am patiently waiting on this! I will be dropping Sprint as soon as i can get this!
[EVO 4G General] bkrodgers:
The Thunderbolt looks very sweet. Although I'm a bit disappointed that the processor sounds like it's not leaps and bounds above the Evo. But if you like the Evo and want to go to VZW, the thunderbolt will be a great choice.
[EVO 4G General] michaelvibe:
This is what I keep expecting Sprint to do with our phones, but alas nothing. We got 3 lines of service back in June. At the end of September we moved out of Sprint coverage area. When I contacted them to let them know that we might be moving they wanted to charge me the ETF for all the lines. Needless to say we just kind of moved without letting Spring know lol. We have been out of their service area for almost 5 months and the only thing we received was a call saying that one of our lines was using way to many roaming minutes; since then nothing else. I also use like 2 GB of roaming data on my Evo every month and they haven't said anything about it.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
so you can also sell the evo .. get your initial cost back.
[EVO 4G General] jokester902:
Is there no hdmi port on the thunder bolt?
[EVO 4G General] splmonster:
How many do you know then? Cause I have heard countless people just getting the contract cancelled and never having to pay for roaming data.
[EVO 4G General] djflaco23:
Yes this works really good, just ask for the airave.

Sent from my supersonic Evo 4G, drink beer, stay motivated.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
None for data on a phone just calling usage. Can you post what they sent you?
[EVO 4G General] cryforburke:
I love seeing posts from reddit up here.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
I told people Sprint is going to start enforcing this more often. You think they dont realize whats going on with people using Verizons PRL's? You arent the first.. ive seen other people on other forums that got cancelled also.
[EVO 4G General] cryforburke:
How can you tell when you're using roaming data?
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Sprint website under usage
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
I actually posted it twice. Here and reddit. :P
[EVO 4G General] robbyhousley:
Happened to me on my SERO Premium line. Used to force my old HTC Diamond to EVDO only since it would go back and forth between 1x and EVDO at my place. Lost the plan :( cause I didn't realize it was actually roaming when I did so (no roaming indicator came up).

However, if your eligible for another line, open one with a free phone then transfer your old phone to the new line. Unfortunately, you can't port your current number. I ended up just getting a everything data plan with a new evo.
[EVO 4G General] flipper12:
I'm sure you guys know that Sprint pays Verizon A LOT each month for each and every subscriber that roams on the Verizon towers. So much so that they figured they'll cut a subscriber who's costing them more money who's frequently roaming than to keep them.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Oh, yeah. I know. I have no problems with Sprint. I would easily go with them again and recommend them to my friends and family over the likes of ATT.
[EVO 4G General] FoxRacR17:
So are they allowing you to port your number out? I ask because I get crappy service at my work and do the prl hack and this month my roaming data usage is at 450mb and my sprint data usage is at 210mb. This is the first time it has been like this, but this threadhas got me worried now lol.
[EVO 4G General] robbyhousley:
Yea I would be a little worried. Usually they will warn you with a letter or call the first time and terminate the second time.
[EVO 4G General] xEVILFREDx:
Wow. This is pretty interesting. Has me thinking that I might need to calm down. I have only been with sprint for a month and about to hit 2 GB of data. I coming from ATT on the iPhone just hated there drop calls. So HTC EVO was the next best thing. I average about 3-4 GB per month over there with no problems. I hope that does not happen to me.
[EVO 4G General] _EV04G_:
Interesting story. Sorry you got dropped tho.

The tip on the free airave is also good info. (Thanks to posters for that)
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
why are you concerned?? are you Roaming most of the time????

if you are not roaming.. then get as much data as you need... enjoy!
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
They are allowing me to keep the number if I establish a new line with a new provider before the 8th (termination date). Not able to do that due to funds at the moment and the suddenness of it all, but yeah. They are letting me. After the 8th, I lose the number.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Exactly.

Sprint is pretty cool with data usage, it's just roaming costs them a great deal of money to Verizon so they would prefer people not use it for most of their usage (me).
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Its nice to see someone that understands whats happening ... and doesn't flip out. When i first saw the thread thats what i thought it was, but you surprised me haha.
[EVO 4G General] Saturn2K:
Well, they are giving him back the $250 and there's no way they could charge him an ETF. This is kind of like being asked to leave a casino when they feel that you might be able to count cards or something. You're not actually cheating, but the owner's aren't happy with you costing them money.

This thread made me a bit worried, so I was glad to see that I only had about 3MB of roaming data. Though I wonder what it was last month when at home my phone was locked into 1x mode.

Forgive my lack of understanding, but can someone explain just when the phone is roaming? Does 1x mean roaming? Is EVDO the same as 1x?
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
1X is pretty much 2G. EVDO is 3G. Roaming usually has a small triangle near the antenna but I am not sure if it does it for data or voice roaming. I was running mostly CM so I didn't have any indicator. Doesn't matter since I knew I was roaming.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
roaming.. when you are roaming, there will be an icon in the notification bar.. telling you so. this happens when your phone can not find any sprint towers, but does find a tower from another provider that has a deal with sprint. your phone knows which tower from the Prefered Roaming List (PRL).

sprint has several mobile data connection types. 1x (2G), EVDO (3G), WiMAX (4G). you can be on any of these on sprint and will not count as roaming.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
I mostly came here to warn people who may be doing the same thing as me, Sprint is definitely watching. Also, was looking at phones but it seems there is just the Thunderbolt, the Bionic, and some LG phone not yet announced (I am guessing MWC).

I don't blame Sprint at all and I am pretty excited to go on Verizon since they are the only provider where I get signal and LTE is looking good.
[EVO 4G General] FoxRacR17:
That's good to know. If they do end up cutting me due t my usage this month I am going to port my number to google voice for the $20 or whatever google charges to port a number in, then I won't have to worry about ever porting another number again because I will just have google voice forward to whatever number verizon decides to give me
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
How easy is it to port out of google? And, do you really want to rely on google? And ultimately, do you really want all your calls to be going through google.
[EVO 4G General] robbyhousley:
It's kind of funny because sprint took 2 months to finally cut off my line. I got the call on December 3rd and it was supposed to be shut off on the 16th, but it didn't get shut off until the end of January. I even called customer care about the roaming issue and they had no idea what I was talking about.
[EVO 4G General] Jedis:
I tried to tell people this in the PRL hack thread, but people didn't listen.

Sprint really needs to clean up their website and amend that roaming data is not unlimited. From the usage screen is the following. There is also no fine print on that page that lists a 300mb limit, so I can see why people would be confused and think it was unlimited.
[EVO 4G General] Apex i ITR:
You could get the Verizon iPhone........

*runs and hides*
[EVO 4G General] tatnai:
I've had this phone since it came out, and still have yet to use the HDMI out. I know there have gotta be a few die hard users of the port out there, but just not something I think the masses are using.

hahaha.

my two cents: see if you can use your evo on one of the other CDMA carriers that have instructions out in the Dev forum on how to do such things (cricket comes to mind).
[EVO 4G General] Tyzing:
Airave not available in my area....what is so special about using your ISP for phone calls? I have ISP in my AREA!
[EVO 4G General] nuggyunlimited:
My speeds are always below .65mbps but wuth a verizon prl I get above 1.5mbps would I be able to get an airave in detroit?
[EVO 4G General] klquicksall:
what is the best way to use the most roaming data possible?
[EVO 4G General] SilverStone641:
Lol!! i hope there isn't anything illegal to what you're doing. But! if it were me, i'd flash the verizon PRL, flip on pandora and go to bed. ;)
[EVO 4G General] klquicksall:
I think I'm going to try that. Is roam control from the market the same as flash a Verizon PRL? It forces you to Roam no matter what.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
well if you tether.. .. to your laptop.. and watch movies.... it will eat data like crazy.

problem with that is .. you are tethering... and that might cause another issue.
[EVO 4G General] klquicksall:
This is true. I mean If I cancel I only would owe 150 bucks anyways so its not out of the question to just cancel and pay up.
[EVO 4G General] erik077:
Wow. I am surprised.... Check me, is this a lot ?
[EVO 4G General] xfusejc:
Not at all. You're not even near the 1GB mark.
[EVO 4G General] erik077:
I am using "a online radio" every day plus sometime youtube and sprint tv. So i can continue with no worries...
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
i pandora music all day at work... everyday!!!! the whole day!!!!

4 days left on my month...

@ 2.5GB :D
[EVO 4G General] kamtsa:
Are you banned for life from using Sprint Wireless?
[EVO 4G General] timkdodson:
Google voice is the best thing that ever happened to my phone. Try it before you knock it.
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
Sucks will be the day when google starts charging for this service. It's all part of their brilliant scheme..
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Don't think anyone was knocking it. I use Google Voice but I don't have the $20 to port my number to it.

Anyways, they followed through and ended my service. One thing I am worried about is that I had a replacement on the way before it was canceled since my charging port went bad, I hope they don't allow me to have it because I don't have service anymore.
[EVO 4G General] Geegolly:
I just got "The Letter" today!!

I think the only downside to all of this is that I'll be losing out on such an amazing community. The EVO community may not be the largest, but it is easily the best.

Any EVO devs want to come to the Thunderbolt :p
[EVO 4G General] anthonylokrn:
Lol. I wonder how long this will last...
[EVO 4G General] :
How do you use 15Gb In one month? WTF
[EVO 4G General] culua:
Wtf.. using wifi tether to much?
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
You must have missed the other thread of this man using 600 gigs... Don't even know how he pulled that off with a phone. The OP used 45 in two days as well.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
i think it was 49gb in 2 weeks.

and i think the 622gb was a hoax.. well i sure hope so.

crazy usage! when I was pushing it... and had nothing better to do .. and watching netflix (tethered)... i was at 9gb for the month. now i am back to 3gb.

edit.. i must be slipping... just checked

1/2 way through the month.. and only 220mb!
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
some people don't have wifi to connect to, roms add up over a month, also youtube and netflix. they built this phone to handle lots of entertainment options most of which use data, a 30gb month is not uncommon
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
Well netflix is not on our phone, so,you would have to be teathering to watch full,legnth netflix movies. Do you believe these people are paying for the hotspot.....if they are then they would not be getting canceled
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
very true about the netflix™ but I should have said "streaming video service". I use tonido to stream my 2tb video collection while I am not home (most of the time) and it allows me to download those videos to my phone. I wont post extreme numbers of use all by my phone. everybody has their uses for the internet some are more reliant than others.

I do tether my nook occasionally for app updates but I can't justify $30 increase for its 100-200mb per month while my phone uses an amount making the nook irrelevant

for an individual that replaces home internet with the phone I believe they should pay for the tethering but I would never call it abuse or insinuate wrong doing, its more a karma/valiance thing.

btw, internet is cheap, .08$/gb on the worst scale. thats why they only care about roaming
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
funny that the same kinda of deal I use for tethering as well with my nook when Im about town with it. I have been using subsonic to stream content from home.

The people that are getting canceled due to over use I would like to see their upload amount for the month.
[EVO 4G General] ZachPA:
It's not about the wholesale cost of the transfer for Sprint. They have backhaul to their towers and they are a major operator of IP services.

It's about tower congestion. There are only so many frequencies available for use, and only so many packets that can be pushed through the air at one time on each frequency.

Adding capacity to this sort of network isn't as easy as adding a fatter pipe to the tower. There are some cases that a cell can be placed between other cells, adding more capacity where it's needed, but for areas that are already saturated with cells, adding more cells just increases the signal-to-noise ratio, it does not increase the number of total channels that can be used.

The ways to increase available bandwidth to users include purchase of additional frequencies (like T-Mo did with AWS: they bought almost national exclusive access to the 1700 and 2100 MHz AWS bands) or roll out new technologies on new or existing licensed frequencies (examples: WiMAX on the 2.5 GHz band and LTE on the 700 MHz band). Unfortunately, both of these methods require national rollout with incredible capital expense, in addition to the development and distribution of handsets with compatible radios.
[EVO 4G General] :
Although in smaller towns with only 50k people sometimes towers are good. Now if you have 3 million people in a town... So many towers. Also unless they start shutting down older networks to use that frequencies the carriers will run out of frequencies to use eventually.
[EVO 4G General] digiblur:
Around here Sprint rolled out single T1s to the towers...even the one that covers all of downtown in capital of my state. Data is useless there. Tickets opened since july 2010 when they pulled us off alltels leased 3g...no fix yet.

We use a prl that gets 3g roaming. So when we are at work I just hit roam control up..when I leave I switch back to automatic. Works great.

People have even been getting discounts on their bills due to the data issues. You would think they would fix it by now. Its not hard to get a couple of extra T1s with all the fiber and communications stuff downtown.

Also you'd be surprised how much of Sprints spectrum goes unused that they could light up more EVDO channels on.
[EVO 4G General] LuckZz:
Ah that's sucks dude hopefully u can find a really good phone under someone else
[EVO 4G General] Quis89:
Just because its free doesnt mean there are no limits.

You wont be charged for the roaming you do...but you cant exceed 300 roaming minutes consecutively for 3 months nor can you exceed 400 mb of data roaming per month. You'll get hit with that, "Aye...time to go" letter.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
Yup

Sent from my EVO
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
Well,i just recieved the dreaded letter from sprint informing me that "my wireless service will be terminated,effective July 20,2011" due to excessive roaming. Maybe if Sprint has a usuable 3G service,i wouldn't have to force my phone to roam so i can listen to radio or watch a freaking 30 sec youtube video without it buffering forever:rolleyes:.

Oh well,T-mo here i come.what you guys think i should get,the G2X or the Sensation??!
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Sensation but if you could, flip phone and wait for the gs2.
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
I'm sooo interested in the GS2,but with no known release date i'm not sure i could wait.I just can't deal with a flip phone for more than a week tops.
[EVO 4G General] HipKat:
Oddly enough, the one thing with rooting i never do, is tether.

I just don't have a need for it, and besides, the 3G service sucks SO bad, that I can't even get a good enough connection via tethering to load yahoo.com
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
Well,you can always use 4G via the wifi tether app from the market.
[EVO 4G General] nerrollus:
How do they feel about just regular data and not roaming? Has anyone got cut off for excessive data usage before?

I ask because I can easily burn through 4-5 gigs of data a day 5 days a week and don't want to get the boot for it ...
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
It seems to only be roaming That will get you cut off. So check your account for how much roaming you have been doing. If it isn't a lot, or not at all, then you are fine.
[EVO 4G General] nerrollus:
I don't think I've done any roaming since we got our phones. I've looked at the website and we're at 0 for this month and it's the only month we've stepped out side of our normal routine.

At 60 gig for the month in normal data though ... lol
[EVO 4G General] HipKat:
Yeah, if 4G was available in my area, which it will probably never be..... :(
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
do you pay for the hotspot service from sprint?

since you use that much a month. you might want to do that.

but I have not heard of anyone being canceled for that yet.
[EVO 4G General] Rem3Dy:
1 of two things will happen.

You will get the boot for insane data usage.

Sprint will take away unlimited data from all of us because of people like you abusing the network.

How are you using that much data a day?
[EVO 4G General] n8te_1:
magic 8-ball states..."torrents"
[EVO 4G General] bigreg:
Or massive usenet binary downloads....
[EVO 4G General] nerrollus:
I have a really boring job and stream video (netflix and YouTube) and music (pandora) for about 9 hours a day and usually teathering while doing it. I also download a lot of podcasts to listen to on my long commuting.

Nothing illegal... Torrents would just be stupid on a phone... Lol
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
If you actually pay for the tethering, and you somehow don't use say probably 100gb or so, the most they'll do is throttle a little bit.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Problem is, they don't throttle data.
[EVO 4G General] nerrollus:
I don't pay for teathering, I use pdanet. I used to watch netflix and stuff on a laptop while teathered, but since they got the netflix app I watch it on the phone. I think that will probably lower the bandwidth usage a lot.

When i teathered now it's usually to just surf the web, so the bandwidth for gathering shouldn't really be all that high.
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
Well then, nothing negative to look forward to then! :D