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[Captivate General] mi04se1:
I wonder if they will let people with the unlimited plan add the tethering plan.
[Captivate General] bames:
+ if data hogs is the concern....how is a data structure that charges less per gb of data for overages than for those staying within their plan make sense?
[Captivate General] bames:
data is data is data....if you are staying within your data plan allowance tethering isn't coloring outside of the lines. The people who are using 13gigs of data is an absurd example because they can easily be dealt with. You act as if ATT has no idea that someone us using 40+gb's of data per month and are powerless to do anything about it.....if they see that much use they are going to automatically add the tethering plan and charge for overages and/or throttle.

When you can explain to me how using 2gb of data on your phone harms the provider more than using 1gb of your data via phone and 1gb of your data tethered has a negative impact on the provider....i will be happy to admit i am wrong.
[Captivate General] EtherealRemnant:
Great. So I can use my max 200kbps download speed while I get 1500 upload... Thanks but no thanks at&t - fastest network my ass.
[Captivate General] foxbat121:
You can't automatically assume just because we have un-resticted tethering, everyone is going to abuse it. Most ppl are pretty reasonable. Of course, there is always a few bad apples out there. But that's no excuse for Carriers to put restrictions and remove features for everyone.

So now you try to play double standard? LG Incite is a 3G WM phone and REQUIRES $40 PDA data plan per AT&T requirement at that time, not the $15 whatever plan you have. So, that's OK for you? I know most AT&T sale reps are clueless. But that doesn't mean it is OK to abuse the system, right?
[Captivate General] bames:
good call......

sounds like he was using mediamax edge plan on a phone he should have been required to have a pda plan for and then wants to lecture other members or degrade them? Tweakers?
[Captivate General] seclm193:
I would think att would have found a way to prevent this, but with our decs, it's just a matter of time.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
No double standard at all. The Incite was my first smartphone and I added the plan that the store rep said I had to have. Prior to that I had never had a data plan at all. I did find out later that it was the wrong plan for my phone, but AT$T never changed it so why should I? Still, I averaged about 75mb a month with it, so I hardly qualify as an abuser.

You seem a little touchy about the subject.:D AT$T had a good thing going with their unlimited data plans, but due to big abuses by a small percentage of users they had to scrap them. There will always be those who think that as long as they get what they want, to hell with everyone else. I'm not one of them.
[Captivate General] bames:
Excuse me for someone who was on a pedestal a few posts ago this is quite a turnabout.

By your own standard you knew you were on the wrong plan and continued to allow and "get one over on them"....while other users were required to pay 3x as much to have data on the same device. What you were doing was less ethical than tethering and staying within your allotted data usage.

So if you goto your local grocery and owing you $10 in change the young dumb cashier accidently gives you a $100 bill do you keep it or do you correct the error? Because what you were doing in your scenario was the equivalent of keeping the c-note even though $90 of it wasn't yours.

on a sidenote i Personally think one of their dumbest decision was to force people with smartphones to have a data plan. If someone was happy buying an expensive smartphone and only using WIFI why not let them? If you force them to have a data plan they are more likely to use the data you are making them pay for and thus contribute to the data traffic/congestion.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Bad analogy, Bames. I wasn't screwing anyone out of anything unlike in your cashier example. I paid for the plan I was sold with the phone and I under-utilized it, so who got screwed? Now, if I had taken advantage and gotten more than what I paid for, I could see your point about ethics. Even so, the problem isn't with users like me, it is with those who purposely try to screw AT$T. The ones who install cooked ROMs to enable network access the phone isn't supposed to have. They are the reason the network is so slow and why there are no more true unlimited data plans. I've been a loyal AT$T wireless customer since 1997, so whatever benefit I may have gotten from having a $15 data plan I hardly used for 2 years is more than paid for.

I really didn't want to start a pissing match over this, I just wanted to point out that there are a number of members in here who are the very reason why AT$T has to be so protective of their network and products. They are the ones who will take as much as they can with little regard for anyone else.
[Captivate General] bames:
again you fail to explain with any logic how having a 2gb capped plan and using tethering via a cooked rom and not going over your 2gb plan harms att (for that matter if in that same scenario the user goes over by 2gb they are charged $20 extra dollars in overages for a total data cost for that month of $45 or the same for a 2gb smartphone plan + 2gb of tethering. Please enlighten me.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Obviously, those are the users who aren't the problem. It is the ones with grandfathered-in unlimited data plans that are using hundreds of mb a day that are the problem. Also, IIRC, doesn't tethering use a different APN than regular 3G traffic? It did on my Tilt 2. I believe one was att.wap and the other for tethering was isp.cingular.wap. If the illegal tetherers are doing so on the same 3G WAP by spoofing their devices then they are having a major negative impact on that network.
[Captivate General] Hydro360:
at&t wont give us 2.2 what makes you think they're going to release anything that enables us to access their 4g? then we wont use our cappys for coasters and go buy the new 4g phone.
[Captivate General] Hydro360:
woa i totally missed bames and miami going at geez guys chill technically anyone running a custom rom whatever you use it for is violating at&t and none of us really care what happens to the multi billion dollar company do we? i say we just help more people screw them over
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
No worries, Hydro. As long as the exchanges are respectful, no harm, no foul.;)
[Captivate General] Mark Uhde:
That makes no sense as the reason for the delay:

1. Because they can simply not enable the feature until they offer it. Just like the iPhone software had tethering support long before AT&T offered it.

2. Because Verizon and Sprint also haven't released 2.2 for their Galaxy S phones, and T-Mobile JUST did a few days ago.
[Captivate General] snyder650:
Charging more for tethering would be like charging extra to have a wireless router connected to DSL service. It's BS...
[Captivate General] bames:
and your line about "tweakers" in general

both rubbed me wrong. you have clarified yourself so my apologies.

You initially made a very generalized statement painting pretty much anyone using a custom rom period and/or tethering without a plan with the same broad brush when then the majority are not what you describe in terms of abusing the data or services.

Maybe i have been to hard on a fellow dolphins fan but it initially seemed like comments of a trolling nature.
[Captivate General] stoobie-doo:
Tethering does not have to use a different APN; I tethered with my Fuze using the standard Cingular APN, and tethered my old unlocked Tilt the same way.

They may choose to implement it that way, but they don't have to.
[Captivate General] foxbat121:
I'm not touchy about this at all. I'm just sick of your lecturing of moral high ground then come around claim you did the same but you have excuses for it. This is XDA Developers site. We come here to break free whatever carrier restrictions on our phones. That doesn't mean we all are big abusers.
[Captivate General] cappysw10:
+100000000
[Captivate General] foxbat121:
Back on topic, on AT&T's official forum, someone called AT&T to inquire whether or not Captivate will get Mobile Hotspot support. The answer he get is Yes.
[Captivate General] joeybear23:
What's funny is that most ISPs will spell out in the fine print the number of computers you are allowed to have connected in a home network to connect out to the internet... Most also do not allow you to share your connection with neighbors, though it is not very enforcible.

Not saying I agree with these business practices... just pointing it out.
[Captivate General] bames:
some cable companies will do the same thing and try bully you into paying more to hook additional tv's and say you can only hook up 1 or 2 tv's despite the fact that it doesn't cost anymore to deliver the service.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Another unfair comparison. The number of TVs you connect to your cable line does not affect the bandwidth for other cable users. And if you choose not to pay for an additional cable box, your viewing choices are pretty limited.

As for my moral high ground, I did not knowingly do anything to get the setup I had, it was incorrectly sold to me by the AT$T rep. Once I discovered it, I still did not abuse it. There are people in here and on PPCGeeks who purposely mod their phones to take advantage of the network. A few even brag about how they use their phones as their only internet access and download several gigs a week. Of course not everyone running a cooked ROM does this, but there are enough of them that do that it obviously has impacted us all and forced AT$T to have to lock down phones, delay software updates and eliminate unlimited data packages altogether. Those are the ones I directed my "tweakers" remark to. If it doesn't fit you, then why take offense?
[Captivate General] foxbat121:
Because your original message sounds like no one should even discuss about how to remove the tethering resticions. Anyone who do is encouraging abuse. I'm afraid that you're posting on the wrong board.

On XDA, we're talking all day about rooting, removing bloatware, flash custom ROMs and hack the modem to get higher speed that our phone suppose to have and sideload apps. All of which are forbidden by our carriers for various reasons. If that offends you too much, maybe you shouldn't be here in the first place.

I frequent official AT&T forum and various other forums. I'm well aware what topic should or shouldn't be disccused in each forum. There is no need for you to come here lecture and judge everyone.
[Captivate General] bames:
1. Cable company is a fair comparison. Whether is use 1-2gb on my phone or whether i use it tethered or 1/2 and 1/2 of each it DOES NOT AFFECT the NETWORK. You are talking about a very small minority and anyone abusing the system in terms of data hogging (even someone with an unlimited plan). They can be detected and dealt with by ATT under the terms of the contract via throttling, forcing the tether plan purchase, and/or cancellation. In terms of my viewing choices being limited that would be insignificant even though mine aren't limited without a set top box. The only reason i care to even have 1 set top box is as a dvr. The only channel i watch that i get with it vs. just straight from the coaxial is IFC. Furthermore...what i am referring to is that some cable companies even if you have a non-digital plan and ZERO tunerbox/dvr hardware want to bill extra for you to run your own coaxial to other tv's.

2. In your scenario you admit you continued to allow the error after discovering it. From an ethical standpoint you should have brought it to the attention of the provider and given them the option of A.) honoring the mistake B.) correcting the plan going forward and billing proper amount C.) allowing you to opt out of the contract or out of a required data plan with the device.

i think people would take offense because of your lack in clarity of your statements.
[Captivate General] joeybear23:
Yep, it's a practice almost as old as all forms of wired communication...
[Captivate General] bames:
I take back my apology the more isee your posts the I do think your a schill or troll
[Captivate General] nkrick:
You must not have been using broadband in the early days when they DID charge you more if you had more than 1 computer connected. I used a NT workstation as a proxy and later a home router (not wireless) to allow more than 1 PC to connect through a DSL modem rather than pay the telco extra for each PC I was connecting.

As home routers become more common, the telco's gave up trying to charge per PC.
[Captivate General] nkrick:
This is actually something that is starting to change. As 3G has gotten faster and more widespread and with new "4G" networks coming online, the mobile carriers are starting to advertise wireless data services as an alternative to wired broadband. I think this is the real reason carriers are implementing throttling and caps, they are getting their networks and policies ready for more customers using their networks as broadband alternatives.
[Captivate General] Mac11700:
If Sony could get away with doing this...they would in a heartbeat :p;)

Nothing wrong with what you did...You explained it to them..and the store elected to allow it...If anyone gets their noses out of joint over this..that's them..not you.

A whole bunch of folks think along the same lines as what you do...I've seen first hand how some folks abuse anything they can when they think they are getting over on a cell company..In the end..the rest usually pay for these folks misdeeds.If AT&T elects to charge more..many will ***** and whine about it...and it's usually seems those who are complaining the most are the ones feeling they are entitled to something they aren't paying for now...No-one likes paying more for something..and folks will always complain when they have to. I'm thankful that there will always be those here that can fix what most cell phone companies screw up...I just wish those complaining the loudest..would just chill about it..put in request to the devs to fix those type of issues..and stop drawing major attention to the fact that they have.

They do seem to want to bring a-lot of unnecessarily needed complying on themselves..Uber large corporations usually have this bad habit. Then the corporation has some kind of left field knee jerk reactionary policy making brainstorm...and that is a downward spiral as far as customer complaints goes...Their U-Verse division is experiencing this right now...with stupid policy making on the go...and 1 division not knowing what the other division is doing...all the while the complaints keep increasing exponentially on any of their forums...

Back to the topic...If and when we ever see a official 2.2 update for tha Captivate...it most likely will be the last I am afraid...because there will come a time in the

not too distant future

where all cell phones will be locked down so tight that the average person here won't be able to do much with them...All carriers will do this..eventually...and if anyone thinks the complaining is loud now...watch what happens then...My one hope the developers are good enough at circumventing the locked boot loaders and then being able to patch modems that work with them..otherwise the outlook of

having

to get into one of those phone is dismal at best...

Mac
[Captivate General] eramming:
Att sucks.any way they can make money is all they care about, nothing on customer service. A plan like this is gouging customers.
[Captivate General] newter55:
Yeah, making money should be at the bottom of their list of priorities. :/
[Captivate General] bames:
you can't have your cake and eat it too...you can't offer people unlimited data and then cry if they use 6gb of data.
[Captivate General] fldude99:
You sound either drunk, stoned or illiterate
[Captivate General] bames:
couldn't i be all of the above?

fyi to the grammar officer of the thread

either or technically should only be used

as a choice between

TWO

items

.
[Captivate General] newter55:
Perfectly acceptable to use for a choice of three items. The rule of two is related to the use of either as a pronoun.
[Captivate General] cappysw10:
This thread has so lost it's usefulness! Please close!
[Captivate General] newter55:
Meh.....people need something to complain about. Close this thread and a new one will be up within days.
[Captivate General] bms231:
I think it is amazing how we have to pay for the right to use the data we already pay for. Kinda ironic. However, us modded folk know better.
[Captivate General] mobileseq:
That new AT&T data plan they added with mobile hotspot doesn't make sense to me anyway. It should be like $10 more for extra 4 GB and include tethering as well as the 2 GB plan, too. IT's up to the customer to go over 2 GB or not, not AT&T. Wish they aren't so greedy with their plans. :roll:
[Captivate General] smokestack76:
Yeah. It will still happen though.
[Captivate General] SeanHacker:
this doesnt sound like too great of a deal to me.
[Captivate General] bames:
much better customer retention and pr move would be

1. use incentives to get as many people as possible to drop the unlimited plans. Offer users with unlimited a free upgrade to any phone of their choice on the network in order to lock a 2 year with caps. Anyone that doesn't take the bait can be handled with the contract rules/throttling etc. if they abuse the data.

2. Do away with tethering. Charge by data. Give 250gb free to all smartphone users then offer 2 and 4 gb plans $25/$45. Charge $10 for each GB over Cap.
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] iFede:
Hi!

what is the latest firmware version of x10mini pro (u20i)?

mine is 2.0.A.0.504

sorry for the stupid question but I can't understand :confused:

--> Sorry I wrong the section <--
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] owain94:
.24 is the newest version of firmware

Please someone correct me if i'm wrong
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] world2010:
latest

The latest version is 2.0.2.A.0.24, as said above.;)
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] Buddha:
IS the correct thread ;)

Yes, is the .24 ^^
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] iFede:
tnx for all! :D
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] Termodonte:
new version: 2.1.1.А.0.6
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] owain94:
Can you give me the build.prop code for the country where 0.6 is already out
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] phoneyericsson:
Changes

2.1.1.A.0.6

- Boot screen has new 'loading' logo

- Definitely seems faster

- New battery-saving section in support section

- Supposedly new video-editing on-board but didn't see myself

- Support has changed

- New OfficeSuite demo

Note-

- could be just me, but advanced task killer keeps closing....SE kill it? (I reinstalled this and works fine again)

- apps in general and settings etc, messages were all untouched

- SuperOneClick for .024 works with this just fine
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] Termodonte:
- linkedin support in timescape

- they implemented the "Send usage info" option that send anonymous usage statistics to SE and should help improve quality
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] rikirix:
2.1.1.A.0.6

- Boot screen has new 'loading' logo ......:rolleyes:

- Definitely seems faster ........really?

- New battery-saving section in support section .........:rolleyes:

- Supposedly new video-editing on-board but didn't see myself .........:rolleyes:

- Support has changed :confused:

- New OfficeSuite demo ..........:eek:

....i think i'll stay with .24....
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] iFede:
I upgraded to .24 today but now I can't find the update for .6!!! XD
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] andie911:
You managed to root this build with superoneclick? I can't
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] phoneyericsson:
Stupid updates, cheap

Yeah you really can't hide that these updates are crap for the Minis. But now I look back at the Mini starting on 1.6 and see the real significance of that. They're behind in market share for a reason. And we get this crap while while they trick new users with the Arc. Arc d'Trick.
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] Blåburk:
I just installed the latest firmware for the X10 Mini (E10i)

Rev. no: 2.1.1.A.0.6

Guess what! Yet another test program that ask you for money

An Office Suite that is directing you to a home page allowing you to download a trial version of that Office suite.

For gods sake SE stop doing so against your customer. That is scam just adding a shortcut to apps dealers website.

If I wanted an Office Suite in the X10 Mini I would get me one on the Market.

Hell, I hate the SonyEricsson.

My next phone will be from a decent manufacturer.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JoeProcopio:
i'm a Droid Incredible owner, and a Sirius XM subscriber...If I run any Z based Roms on my phone, I cannot get the Sirius XM app to connect to start streaming...it launches, checks for updates, signs me in....all that, but if I try to start streaming anything, it says no connection...

I asked one of the devs of the Incredible Z based Roms if he could check it out, and he is working with me, but he suggested I ask around on the G2/Desire Z forum to see if anyone else can connect....

Sirius XM is free for a week, download it from the market and set it up if you want to check it out...

thanks guys! I love the Z builds, but I'm stuck running an older HD rom from December because I NEED MY HOWARD STERN until i get this sussed out!
[G2 and Desire Z General] ratchetrizzo:
I just tried to check it on cm6.1, just to see if it worked and it tells me I have to upgrade my online plan.

I can't believe they want an additional fee for "premium" online access to be able to use the app. They are INSANE, I'm glad I only pay $55 a year for sat/online service now (I have XM, and I prefer O&A to stern)

Sorry I couldn't help more, but I think they are assinine to charge extra because they say it's "CD" quality through the app.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JoeProcopio:
thanks for trying...i've had it running on CM...this looks to be a specific Z based rom issue...every Inc Z rom is affected...even Warm and Nil's Biz which are based on Z...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Nitemare3219:
Had mine working on Virtuous and it is working now on a CM7 nightly.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JoeProcopio:
is virtuous based on the Desire Z? haven't run virtuous in a long time
[G2 and Desire Z General] JoeProcopio:
so it does work on the latest version of warm 2.2 which is based of Z....i'll check some others....
[G2 and Desire Z General] Carloswithac:
Works on CM7.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JoeProcopio:
lied about the Warm....musta been connected wifi...forgot to mention it connects on WIFI, but doesn't connect on 3G...and yes, I know it works on CM as stated before....again, this only applies to Z based roms...works everywhere else.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
Mine works on 3G or wifi on any rom. But I am using the G2 and not the Desire Z so it could be something with Sense UI but I'm not sure...

Thank goodness Howard Stern is on the app, finally!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] umair_903:
How do I fake flash cwm 3.0.0.5
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
Why do you want to fake flash it? Why not just put it on full time?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Meaple:
Go to the CWM Recovery post and download the zip. But yeh, why the fake flash and not proper flash?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rakeshchn:
Anyone know of an email client which support true push notification for Yahoo mail? If you are using one that does, please give me some setup tips also to enable push.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Insomaniac10:
the official Yahoo mail app....instant notifications, on spot
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rakeshchn:
Thank you. How does it drain battery? I figured out my email app as the single app determining how long battery last for decent use. I had maildroid before, dumped it after the latest update started killing phone in 2 hours. Didn't use any email client for 2 days and noticed just 2% battery drop in 7 hours of sleep with backgroud sync and everything else! Now I need a decent email app which wont drain too much juice.