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[EVO 4G General] klbjr:
Well guess I'll throw my 2 cents in the mix. I personally own & walk around with both the Evo (release day) and the Epic (since Dec) everyday. I'm running currently running MikZ on the Evo & BONSAI4ALL on the Epic. I personally don't see any noticeable difference in speed or transitions between the two. When running Sense 1 ROMS the Epic is quicker. When using LP they are almost equal. Can't talk about CM because not a fan of ASOP. I'm not really a gamer, pretty much just Angry Birds, Rocket Bunnies & Robo Defense. And they all run equally smooth on both phones imo. The browser is noticeably slower on the Epic no matter which ROM I use, even stock. GPS is hit & miss with the Epic also. It's screen is crisper & sharper but has a bluish tint to it, well the two I've had did & even though its only a .3 inch difference, it is noticeably smaller. The Epic also has a cheap feel to it. No physical problems though even after a few drops. I'm not gonna start on the support it gets from Samsung/Sprint or devs because its not even close. The Evo wins that hands down. Imo I would say that even with the hardware advantage, I can't tell any real difference. Benchmarks don't always tell the whole story. Real life, everyday use is what counts & I would have to give the Evo the overall nod in the comparison but the differences are marginal & really comes down to personal preference.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
oh really? so let me get this straight, your overclocked, modded evo running cm is faster then a stock epic running tw (which i highly doubt). But ya. that makes a lot of sense.
[EVO 4G General] ScrapMaker:
I think people are mistaking overall performance for the frame rate of the GUI and the browser. I'm not talking about how quickly something scrolls, but the smoothness of it doing so. Let's call it 'iPhoneness' to make it more simplified.
[EVO 4G General] AbsolutZeroGI:
Even my friend with an Epic wishes he had my Evo.

Side by side mine has a snappier and smoother UI. He's running 2.2 and rooted and I'm running Koni's Elite Series (it was II at the time of the testing, III is even faster).

You can argue opinions all day long and no one will be wrong, but at the end of the day, go to craigslist and see how many people wanna trade an epic for an evo and see how many more of those people there are than vice versa.

Evos rule :D
[EVO 4G General] 12MaNy:
My rooted, overclocked Evo's UI was faster/smoother than my rooted Epic.

Now....no more of this. Opinions are opinions. No need for personal attacks because mine varies from yours.

I apologize to the community for letting this guy suck me into his drama. Carry on......

+100000000
[EVO 4G General] gabyzmj:
I love my evo. Would not trade it dor no Epic
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I've played with various Galaxy S phones plus the Nexus S. The GS hardware is definitely smoother. This is more apparent when having a live wall paper on or browsing a flash heavy web site. The GS is also of course way smoother in gaming. I posted the specs a few pages back but you can see here again that the GPU gap is not even close:

Android engineers have already commented that parts of the UI are GPU accelerated, obviously it's not fully HW accelerated like iOS or WP7, but it seems to help. Pull the status bar in a GS phone and it will draw at what seems 60 FPS, the EVO will be smooth but you can tell that it's drawing slower. This is even more apparent when doing it over a live wallpaper on the home screen. And Live wallpapers themselves are visibly more smoother - the microbes 2.3 live wall paper is an incredibly clear example of that. The EVO slows to a crawl on that one but the GS/NS handles it with no problem. GS phones also seem to have a GPU accelerated stock browser - panning/zooming is way more smoother, and like I mention before, this also makes browsing with flash as smooth as having it off.

This forum will obviously never accept this so I don't expect to hear anything but bias.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
How bout we all meet behind the high school at 3:00 pm. fight and settle this. Then we can all drop out pants and see who has the biggest e-penis. I thought these troll threads were over last year. Who cares this is 2009/2010 phones were talking about here (like HTC Dash vs BB curve 8300), at least stay current and argue over nexusS/ Evo3d
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
which school?
[EVO 4G General] Overstew:
The Epic's CPU and GPU are far superior, as far as speed goes (it's fact, Benchmarks and technical specifications confirm that). Evo is Sprint's flagship phone and posting it here, in the EVO section will most definitely gain more Evo user votes. I'm not a fan of the Epic's physical keyboard, but I heard it was better for gaming and anything I've thrown at my Epic has worked flawlessly.

I'm running an OC kernel, but I still scale it to stock settings because the speeds of the Epic is fast enough. :)
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
You can post all the specs you want, but my opinion is my opinion and because of that evo is soo much faster. Even though the fps on the epic is better, the gpu on the epic is better, the cpu on the epic is better, and the screen on the epic is better. but that has nothing to do with my awesome opinion cause evo is better..

/sarcasm.
[EVO 4G General] goodboynyc:
I Lol'ed on the first sentence. It wasn't for that last line I would have thrown my computer out the window with all the crashes I'm having on Eclipse!
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
here is another way to look at it..

I was just at best buy... killing time.

evo came out.. starting at $199

and it is still $199

epic came out ..starting at $249

then dropped to $199

now at $149

kind of shows what is still in demand.
[EVO 4G General] zanderman112:
I wonder what the Evo has over the epic now?

Lets see:

Froyo? Both

Better screen? Epic

Keyboard? Epic

Front camera? Both

Faster Cpu? Epic

Replaced by newer phones? Evo

Should i continue?

Sent from my always stock, EB13 Epic, awaiting EC05.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
i know

i know...

have said it many times before..

samsung has great specs on phones... hard to find phone specs that can beat the top samsung phone when they are released...

but i seams that the specs dont fully translate to user usability and functionality .. when the rubber hits the road.

moment out spec the hero.. but hero was way more popular

epic out spec the evo... but evo was a huge hit.

well.. i am glad there are users that love their sammy.

and at the end of the day.. that is what matters to that user.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
the honda civic is in more demand then a bmw, but doesn't make the honda a better car.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
you are right.. but that is not a correct comparison..

evo is not an economy anything.

its more like

330/evo vs 530/epic

or

accord/evo vs le sabre /epic
[EVO 4G General] AbsolutZeroGI:
Wow, are you guys seriously still arguing opinions? This is great. *grabs popcorn and beer* please continue, you clueless kids. :)
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
yea i know. i just picked random cars from the top of my head.
[EVO 4G General] funcrusher:
I just came all over this stupid ****ing thread. *defends my phone*defends my phone*argues for the sake of arguing like I do in every thread*
[EVO 4G General] zanderman112:
Wouldnt be xda if we didnt

Sent from my always stock, EB13 Epic, awaiting EC05.
[EVO 4G General] Overstew:
The Evo users purchase blindly. ;)

If the marketing behind any product, it will be in demand. It's exactly like the xbpx 360 compared to the ps3. It's been proven the PS3 has better specs, but people still purchase the 360 over it because of the marketing.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
^^^ that is one reason why...

it can be true to some extent.

can you also allow that there also might be a good reason why.. like a great product all around. That is why sprint choose to back that product with marketing $$.
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
The Epic is not bad, but it's plagued by one big thing.

It's a Samsung device.

I've own 2 Samsung phones, both of which I had problems galore. So much for one, that I got an early upgrade to the Epic for free.

Epic has froyo now, and apparently is set to get gingerbread sooner or later(Most likely much later though seeing samsungs track record...:D)

When I had my Epic, the battery lasted me a whole day if I didn't do much with it except check the time every now and then, but the big thing that sucks the battery out is the Super AMOLED screen. I do miss that...

I didn't like the keyboard on the Epic, felt too cheap and plastic. I used the onscreen keyboard though.

The screen is smaller by .3", not even half an inch. Plus, the screen on the Epic to me seems a bit wider in portrait.

I liked the idea of the power button on the side, I hate the button on top. I would really love a power button on front.

There are pros to the Epic though.

The cpu in the Epic is a tad slower, but the Epic has a gpu that is way better than Adreno 200.

The rear camera in the evo maybe 8mp, but it doesn't really look like it at sometimes, Epic had a decent camera.

For rooting causes, the Epic was easier and faster to root.(Not anymore though) But, the Evo has a bigger dev community.

Other than the keyboard, if you're not doing anything gpu aggressive then you're getting about the same performance on both.

What's been proven? The PS3 might have a better synthetic performance value, but overall performance they're about the same. I mean hell, the Cell in the PS3 only has one real logical core versus the 360 having 3 cores. You gotta look at price and availability too. The PS3 came out what, a year or 2 after the 360 already had a strong market? Plus the PS3 for awhile priced out between $500-$700, I got my 60gb 360 for $250 brand new.(Granted it was on sale, if it wasn't then $300 and it still would of came with a game)
[EVO 4G General] klbjr:
Better screen? Says who. I own both phones and the Evo's larger real estate makes for the better screen in my opinion. And the fact that I can't make out a single thing on the Epic's screen even on a cloudy day whhe outside also makes the Evo's screen better. "IMO" and that's what it comes down to. Everyone's own and seperate opinion. 99% of the people on this site feel that Android is far superior than IOS but take this conversation to a IOS forum and you'll have the same arguements.

Also I'm not understanding your whole "Replaced by newer phone" catagory. Are you referring to the fact that they are coming out with a better Evo? Well last time I checked all the good phones come out with a better replacement. What's this gonna be the 5th iPhone and last time I checked there was a Galaxy S II on the way too.

Not a good comparision. The Xbox 360 is more popular because Sony dragged it's feet releasing the PS3, charged an outrageous amount of money in the beginning and the Xbox 360 is a better gaming system. The PS3 has better specs but real world is what matters and in the real world the Xbox's processor combined with it's GPU runs rings around the PS3's. That's why games look and play better on the 360 when compared to the PS3. Not to mention Live is a lot more refined and polished than PSN. Just like when you compare Sense to Touchwiz. But again this is all my opinion and just my personal opinion. I happen to own and use both phones and both systems and IMO the Evo and 360 perform better.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
outrageous? lmao, the specs in it, are 2-3x better then xbox ever had, and ever will. the next xbox they release will probably still not be as good as the ps3 that is now.

Stop spewing bull**** into the air. Dur hur dur, it haz better processor and gpu, but the one that has a ****ty processor and gpu is better, dur hur dur.

You obviously never played on a ps3, nor have seen any of the game play side by side to an xbox. It's not even a competition, the details the ps3 shows, the lighting, the speed, etc.. It's like comparing a scion to a bugatti
[EVO 4G General] zanderman112:
The Epic and the Evo both have the same resolution, which meas the bigger screen on the Evo looks worse than the Epics, similiar to Dsi vs Dsi XL. The epics screen is super easy to see outside no matter the weather thanks to being Super Amoled. Yes, you are right about all phones get replaced eventually, but there are now three Evo's, yet one Epic. Have you seen anything regarding an Epic II yet? I don't think so. The epic is still top of the line.

Sent from my always stock, EC05 Epic 4G
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
And Halo :)
[EVO 4G General] dannyniceboy:
I owned the Epic for 6 months, but after having many 3g lockups while wifi tethering I decided to get an Evo, I traded and low and behold Evo suffers from the same issues while wifi tethering. So really the only thing the Evo has going for it is that it will more than likely always run the latest operating system since the entire phone has been built into several different AOSP builds. On the other hand....

Epic BLOWS the evo out of the water in terms of UI speed, and the CPU and GPU of the epics are far superior to the evo's, even non gpu intensive apps seemed to run much quicker on the epic....

IDK it's a toss in the air though on one hand you have better hardware on the other hand you have better software
[EVO 4G General] klbjr:
No obviously you haven't. I've had the 360 and PS3, both from launch and IMO games on the Xbox 360 look and play better than their PS3 counterpart. Regardless of what the specs say the fact of the matter is, identical games look better on the 360. Take a look here. I'm far from the only person who says this. The PS3 on paper is way more powerful than the 360 but no one has tapped the potential of the PS3's hardware like they have with the 360. End result...games look and play better on Xbox. So maybe the guys over at Gamespot are just spewing bull**** too?

It doesn't matter what type of screen it has or resolution. I actually OWN and walk around everyday with both phones and the Evo gives me a better view when outside than the Epic does. Your right, this is the third Evo. It was so popular that HTC decided to cash in on the name. The Shift wasn't a replacement or upgrade to the Evo. Just another phone in the Evo brand name. Maybe the reason we haven't seen a Epic II was because it was a Epic Failure? No phone has even come close to the iPhone's popularity and specs until recently but they have released a new one yearly. I see Sprint and Samsung decided to pass on the Epic II for Nexus S 4G. Guess that was because the Epic is still on top? Yeah right. Keep dreaming!
[EVO 4G General] alnova1:
3G lock ups while wi-fi tethering? I use my EVO as my home internet and I have NO 3G lock ups my friend..I had a Samsung with Verizon...not again.
[EVO 4G General] lost_man10002:
Me having the evo and wifey having the epic I can day they r both good.phones...epic dosent have as much development as the evo but its a solid phone...can't wait till cm7 gets out of alpha for the epic.

sent from my cyanogenized evo 4g
[EVO 4G General] stkiswr:
My wife has an epic ans I have am Evo. I used to hate her phone. Its very finicky as my Evo isn't so. The have both been heavy flashed and I recently flashed stock ec05 and it great now. Still not the Evo but impressive

My Evo has a seidio 3500 and a lot of time spent on wifi for both.

This has finally changed my opinion of her phone. The epic just requires the right rom and most aftermarket rom's are silly and do not work as well unlike the Evo which mine has had gingerbread, no sense, sense. Currently miks4.6 w netarchy kernel 4.3.4 CDs no UV no havs SBC and hers stock ec05 w a rooted kernel. We have never gotten this kinda battery life out of her phone w no issues. Reboots...hangups etc
[EVO 4G General] zanderman112:
Obviously, you didn't know that microsoft got in trouble once when they used footage from the Ps3 version of a game on a. Xbox 360 commercial.

Sent from my always stock, EC05 Epic 4G
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
Actually they are, mainly because they don't explain the reason why its happening. Those games are multiplatform. Meaning they were developed for a certain platform and then converted to a different one. In most cases, these are written/developed on windows based PCs, and then converted to xbox/ps3/psp/ds/etc.. And considering that xbox and windows have a lot in common, the way the code is written, makes it look better on the xbox (which i tend to disagree after looking at those screenshots. Anyone with the right eye can tell that xbox has an over exaggerated coloring/texture. See pic 2).

Now, if you were to look at exclusive games, like killzone vs halo, you'd have to be blind to not notice the amazing graphics and details that are displayed by the ps3 vs the xbox.

The only reason graphics appear worst on the ps3 then an xbox is because developers don't take the time to put into making them better. But imo, the xbox graphics are wayyyyy exaggerated, and don't even look real. While the ps3 displays more natural feel/light to the game.

and you can tell the exageration and overlighting the best on the nba pictures.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Uncharted. 'Nuff said. Let this thread sink.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
Not until we all agree the EVO is king of all phones.
[EVO 4G General] klbjr:
Gears 1, 2 & 3. 'Nuff said.
[EVO 4G General] zanderman112:
The EVO *was* the king of phone, no one here can honestly deny that. But, everything about the epic surpasses the evo, except for the deving comunity, which is either waiting for an upgrade to a newer phone, or staying here. Dev's are mostly attracted to phones through advertising. If a phone is good, but is basically thrown out the window by the cell company, thn devs won't want to go to it. This is the case of the Epic 4G. Sprint was too busy caring for its growing Evo brand to care about the Epic. There were commercials, sure, for about a month! And most of those were samsung, not sprint, commercials.

Sent from my always stock, EC05 Epic 4G
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
i think you are wrong...

devs are more detailed and technical and rational...

they would research the details of a phone ... more so than the general public.. before purchase. marketing would not affect the purchasing of devs (not much). it would bring it to there attention, but it is the phone in total (all aspects) that win over a dev/tech person.

so... i think.. it is more.. devs buy because they like the phone.. then make contributions to the phone's community; then the general root community will follow.

so more if they build it.. we will come.

my .02
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
I said it before and ill say it again, the Samsung phone specs look good on paper (that's usually the argument and sales pitch), but in the real world they lag, glitch and fail compared to HTC as well as other brands. Also we all agree with the updates Sammy provides, are a joke, and this thread is a joke, nothing but troll bait here.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
did you see the the specs on the next galaxy s2.. scheduled for release on gsm may 1. they plan to have it out for all major carriers.

specs are blazing guns firing... kicks all specs on all phones that are currently out. including the evo3d. similar to when epic was released and specs killed the og evo.

but I have said it before. sammy's marketing ploy is to get your on specs.. and promises. i will not fall for it. still looking to get the evo3d.
[EVO 4G General] stkiswr:
Lol HTC doesn't rotate pics to landscape like every other phone when sending mms so that makes HTC better...not just the Evo haha
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
If galaxy s2 comes to sprint, you'd have to be a fool not to buy it. The evo3d looks good, but their whole marketing point is the 3d portion, which is a gimmick. I was disappointed in their overall release. Took 1 step forward and 2 steps back. While samsung leaped off the edge with the s2.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
sammy has a long history of top phones that dont measure up to the paperwork hype.

i have had 2 experiences:

i got the hero.. read about moment troubles

i got the evo.. read about the epic troubles

i stand by what i wrote... sammy sales on paper specs... always top top.

galaxy s2 will be more of the same. I hope I am wrong.

all phones have issues.. but samsung does not support users.. only new sales.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
The biggest problem with the Epic is little to no development support.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
You obviously haven't looked into their dev section

Yes i know. That's why i stayed away from epic as well. And I personally don't like samsung. But with some modifications it works fine. Also galaxy s 2 just seems like a beast. I'd be willing to deal with 1-2 small problems for having it, and soon as cm7 is put on it, then it'll fix those problems as well
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
We have two epics in our house.

So yes I have and do constantly.

They're finally working on getting an aosp rom.

I mean, its fine, its all free

But thats why I view the Evo as better.

Development
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
the dev on evo is easy 10x more than epic.

yeah.. galaxy s2 is looking like a beast. specs that blow away everything on the market.

and that is exactly how everyone thought about the other previous super beast phones from sammy. they can deal with the little issues... because of the great specs.

good luck!
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
they are little issues. GPS was fixed almost instantly soon as the phones started getting rooted. And soon as AOSP roms started hitting them, 99% of problems were fixed. The only thing that was problematic were the capacitive touch keys were not responding on some phones. But thats a hardware defect, and a lot of phones experience stuff like that (for example light leakage on evo or the broken frame near the power button).

Those two things were pretty much the only things that were a problem on the epic. well plus the ****ty software updates. But soon as it got rooted, and modified, the first two were easily fixed. The other one needed phone replacement.
[EVO 4G General] backspacepc:
So, in other words, the epic was better after modded, but everything worked on the evolution flawlessly out of the box. Ok, so that makes the epic a better phone? Not understanding that logic.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I think what would be most accurate to say is...the Epic would probably be better than the Evo if the development was the same level.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
uhm considering that the evo suffered more hardware failures, no.

The epic was fine out of the box. It ran circles around evo. The only drawback was the samsung updates (hence why i didn't get it). Without the samsung bloatware, and their ****ty support, the phones is solid, and would top evo any time of day.

Same way how s2 will run circles around evo3d. (especially since evo 3d will probably have more bloatware and crap on it then samsung will ever put into their phones)
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
i dont know...

these phones and features are very tied to: GPS and Radios!

everything in the phone depends on this.

sammy has for many models had problems with these 2 things.

of course if you are in an area what great coverage.. you many never see it. but if you have a slight issue with them.

but there is enough online chatter to say.. sammy has issues with these 2 things.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
exactly my point. galaxy s line suffered mostly because of gps/connectivity problems. And these were mostly software errors in the kernel. If you look at any samsung device forum where cm6/7 is available for download, you will see that in the changes, it will state that the gps issues and what not are fixed by AOSP roms/kernels.

Hence my main argument. If s2 comes out on sprint, i'd jump the htc ship in a heartbeat. + i bet samsung most likely took care of the gps issues in this build.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
ok.. it might be so..

but history shows me... that many have said the same.

if sammy has truly changed their ways... and shows me by action.. then I would get a galaxy s2.

but my guts says to stand back and watch the show. same song, new verse. :eek: