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[Off-topic] z180:
People think that we have capable phones thanks to Apple,but that isnt true,

the IPhone has just a new capacitive multitouch screen.

There were nice smartphones before like Palm Treo,and others.

I had a used Nokia 9210i communicator,way older than the Iphone,

it seems to be the first phone sporting installable programs.

For Android we dont have to thank Apple that they put a crippled OSX on their

phones but we have to thank the Linux devs that their OS is free and has a lot of software available.Hacker had patches for a lot of PDAs running this OS for years.

Now we have WP7 that tells us to throw all previous phones into trash,because

it doesnt run our software without a lot of source changes and runs only on overpriced high-end hardware.
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
This is a real convo I had yesterday ... I explained after wards :p (Randomly calling him Jim ;))

Me *Get's out phone and goes on Angry Birds*

Jim "Hey, that's not an iPhone how did you get that!?"

Me "I downloaded it"

Jim "But i though only iPhones could get apps"

Me *facepalm*

:D
[Off-topic] kdj67f:
It's not the iphone I hate, it's the goddamn fan club I have a problem with. :D

Its a great piece of hardware. The OS is so simple a child can use it. Much like the mental capacity of its fanbois.
[Off-topic] idavid_:
hahahahahahaha :D what a dumbass. sorry if i'm insulting your friend, but that's just stupid.
[Off-topic] husam666:
Yup apple is sh*t

I plugged the ipod speakers in my Sony Walkman hit the bass button and the sound was like the speakers are farting!

Stopped the bass feature and the sound was still like sh*t.

I plugged my speakers in an ipod and the sound wasn't that good, IDK why they say that the ipod has a clear voice when it sounds like crappy FM radio.
[Off-topic] sickbeats187:
I had a white 3gs and I loved it. But it got damaged at&t screwed me over and apple said oh well. I played with my friends n1 and had to have android in the end I went with the evo only because sprint cut me a better deal than T-Mobile. I went to buy the G2 and it would have cost almost $1000 just for the phone and new 2 yr.
[Off-topic] idavid_:
btw, KarlosTheJackal pposted something funny in this thread:
[Off-topic] a67543210:
Thank you!! Well said
[Off-topic] Cimer:
Really? I see more people with Androids/Blackberrys.

Why I like Apple:

1)They do nice designs for their products.

2)Operating system is better for viruses not because there are none, but if they do get in they do less damage than they would on Windows.

3) They have better games for iTouch/iPhone than for Android, I want some more gameloft games, and "lite" games.

Why I don't like Apple:

1) Over priced

2) Lack of customization, and I'm having a harder time jail breaking the free iTouch I received.

3) Lack of game support for their computers

4)Fanboys really ruin the community for Apple because if you mention one con about Apple they eat you like a starving man and a cheesecake.
[Off-topic] flyboyovyick:
Same here!! Angry birds and its not an iPhail/iPhuck?
[Off-topic] Mark Uhde:
Why is XDA-Developers the anti-Apple site? I just don't get all the Apple hate around this place. They are what they are. I use some Apple products. I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro right now that I *need* for my business because I rely on software that ONLY runs on OS X. I also have a couple of Android phones and a BlackBerry... and while there are things about the iPhone that draw me in, how closed it is puts me off. But it's also a selling point, as it's what allows Apple to create the experience they do.

We have a free market, and we should be GLAD for Apple. And Android. And Windows Phone 7. And even Symbian. The free market is what causes ALL platforms to progress and develop at the rate they do in order to keep up with each other.
[Off-topic] Mark Uhde:
1. I hear this argument, and I don't see the truth in it at all. iPhone is priced competitively with high-end Android phones in the same class.

2. This is VERY true, unfortunately.

3. Um, seriously? No. I'd argue consoles are better for games anyways, but Macs run games pretty well. Granted, there aren't a lot of games for Mac OS X but that isn't Apple's fault. And you can run any OS you feel like on your Mac, so dual-boot with Windows if you need Windows games. Unfortunately, I can't run Mac OS X on any generic hardware I want without some hacking, and I rely on programs that are ONLY available for OS X. That seems more a reason to be anti-Apple than the other way around :)

4. Isn't the whole point of this thread (and it seems much of this site) the ANTI-Apple fanboys? The idiotic fanboys are everywhere (though Verizon seems to have the most - and I must say the Verizon iPhone scares me. Combine Apple's fanboys with Verizon's fanboys and you have the potential for a nuclear explosion of fanboyism in the coming months). Ignore them, they don't change the real merits of a product.
[Off-topic] vbetts:
It's marketing. Apple and developers create the product, and then people market them. Apple does not create markets, but they sure as hell know how to expand it. There was a small tablet market before the Ipad, but when the Ipad came and hit, the tablet market blew up. Same thing with smart phones. Smart phones wouldn't have grown and expanded to the general public if apple didn't put out the Iphone.

Also, haven't had an issue jailbreaking. If you have an Iphone before 4.2, jailbreakme.com. If you have newer, redsn0w supports windows and mac. As for games, it's up to the developers, not the OS. Steam and valve have support for OS X, ID games do seeing that they're opengl games, and there are cider wrappers for a lot of games out there.

I wish apple would develop a computer that uses desktop parts and not mobile or workstation parts, since that drives cost up some. But for that, I have osx86. Until Apple makes a machine with complete desktop parts, well osx86 for me. :D
[Off-topic] FLAC Vest:
Just wanting to put a few things in here.

While reading through this thread, it seemed like all i was reading was a large group of teenage douche bags all getting together and talking about something they don't like.

Don't get me wrong, I love android but it doesn't have to be this "I hate apple, I love android" thing, they BOTH have their strengths and weaknesses.

Both OSs have been hacked because there are things people don't like about both, not just Apple. I mean, we are on a forum that is dedicated to IMPROVING the Android OS, obviously because it isn't what we would like it to be and we can make it better.

The iPhone is an amazing phone; if you have a good signal on ATT (which I have always had, never had that whole dropped calls thing over and over like people state they have) then most people don't have complaints becUse it just works. The OS is intuitive, very clean, and very easy to navigate.

When people ask me which to get, I always ask them right away, "are you going to be customizing the phone? How adept are you with computers?" if they aren't, I direct theto iOS because it is better as a STOCK OS.

If we couldn't hack and change android like we can, it might be a little better, but ONLY if you were very into the customization; for the average consumer, IOS is better. That's why it sells.
[Off-topic] c4blimtizle:
i*hone is a way over priced over hyped device imo
[Off-topic] c4blimtizle:
thats why i just build my own pc's
[Off-topic] Mark Uhde:
One, it's not a swear word, so asterisking out a letter just makes you look arrogant.

Yes, the iPhone is over-hyped. But I'd love to hear how you think it's over-priced.

Let's compare to the Samsung Captivate. Both are $199 from AT&T. Both have the same processor (Apple's A4 is essentially identical to the Samsung Hummingbird). Both have 16GB of storage. The iPhone has a higher-resolution, more color-accurate screen; the Captivate has better contrast and color saturation. The iPhone 4 has a front-facing camera, and a better quality rear-facing camera. The Captivate has a glass screen and a metal battery cover, but a fair amount of plastic too. The iPhone 4 is a glass and metal sandwich with only tiny amounts of exposed plastic (buttons).

Sorry, but I'm not seeing how these two devices are anything but neck-and-neck in the price for what you get department. I think that the iPhone comes out a bit on top because of the front-facing camera, the better rear-facing camera, and the more premium materials.

Now, if you look at Amazon and the like, that's a different story, since they discount their phones heavily and they can't sell the iPhone. But if you're buying from AT&T COR, then I'd say the iPhone 4 is the better value-for-money.
[Off-topic] vbetts:
$150 for the Captivate my friend. :D $30 at radioshack, and I believe the Iphone 4 is still $199 at Radioshack too. I'd take the Captivate over the Iphone on price alone, but you can't go wrong with either phone. Only issue the Iphone has that's a serious problem is the death grip. But Apple supports their phones way better than Samsung does any day.
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
The very big problem is that 90% of the iphone/ipad users doesn't even know what they are going to buy or what the phone will might do or might do not... They just buy it because its Apple, because its the best phone or tablet on the marker and because its cool and freaking expensive.. I think that's all .. :)
[Off-topic] idavid_:
iphone 4 costs 1360 $ in our country. now tell me that's normal.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Sigh. This should be the application of Godwins law to any argument about apple. Not only is it pure marketing drivel that shows the user gets brainwashed by crappy catchphrases, BUT I can use that argument for pretty any much current device. My HD2 "Just works" and its extreemely customisable. My Nokia E70 "just works. Hell my ipaq 3800 "just works". To see how stupid you sound google "iphone not working." How many results? About 127,000,000 results (0.06 seconds) yup so it dont "Just work" for some people

Why is it as better stock OS? Is this just an extention of your "just works" BS? People still need to "learn" how to use an iphone, just like any other device, You dont HAVE to modify an android phone, Just like you dont HAVE to jailbreak an iphone. Stop using BS arguments to convince yourself that iphone is better. Its an overcontrolled phone that has a great marketing team. THAT IS WHY IT SELLS.
[Off-topic] cyyjm:
me too,apple isnt something we gotta have. the apps? android can do better.
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
iPhone 4 32Gb cost €779 here in Italy which is approximately $1060 .. And yea I'd also know if that is normal for a phone that just does phone calls if rapped with a condom, otherwise it might have a signal loss.. You stupid dumb ass customers that doesn't even know how to proper hold a phone :D
[Off-topic] vbetts:
Assumptions like this are thrown around over and over, but nobody has had proof to a claim like this. What do you think Android is? Not everyone roots and installs roms on their Android phone, or WM phone.

How much is a Galaxy S? :D

Funny, I only got about 15,100,000 results in .07 seconds. Mind you, that some of those results are in the same site as others, and some probably not even related to iphone issues(Just having Iphone, and problem in the search will find results that had iphone and problem in them, not iphone having problems). This isn't a very good example of issues with the Iphone. I googled Android not working, and found 60,800,000 results in .06 seconds. If it works and there's no problem with it, then I say that makes for a solid product. I'm pretty sure the market and any other type of market wants a product that works.

Stop attacking people to try to win an argument. That doesn't get you anywhere, and you actually look ridiculous doing it. He's not saying the Iphone is better or worse, he's stating the positive about the Iphone. He did also post a problem with it as well. You say it's over controlled, in reality it's not over controlled. But it's just not an open source like Android is. Considering that Apple sells the phone alongside AT&T, Verizon, and other carriers, makes the phone, designed the phone, and maintains the updates and support for the phone, I think that they need to have control over it. Apps in the app store are pretty well polished in Ios, plus there's a lot of great apps in Ios. The Os is stable, the phones are still supported, and it does have great marketing. I can't say the same thing for every Android device to come out, and I guarantee nobody else can either.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Thats my point he ISN'T saying anything positive about the iphone he is just repeating rehashed marketing catchprases to give the illusion he knows what he is talking about. You DON'T have to like hacking to own an android device and you don't have to be technologically illiterate to own an iphone. But saying something is so because he heard it on TV is rediculous.

Oh and google may return different results based on region and language. I copied and pasted thase stats from direct google, not that it invalidated my point. Clearly there are some apple devices out there that don't "just work".
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
You actually don't need to root an android phone to be able to download e-mail attachments in order to view them offline, or download files from the web, download a video from youtube or even download a magazine that talks about another company or another OS different than Google or Android.

The OS its highly customizable from the themes to the widgets and the icons, without even need to root..

What the iphone does is making phone calls (signals loss are to be expected, its normal though and its ur fault since u don't know how to proper hold a phone), taking pics and video even though u can't send them via bluetooth which is something that my old fido nokia N70 does, and playing ****ty ridicules games...

The iPhone it's just a piece of shining crap full of stupid restrictions...
[Off-topic] Mark Uhde:
Purchased at an AT&T store, not online, the Captivate is $199. I acknowledged others (including the sale right now on AT&T's own website - way to undercut your own sales people and short them commissions, AT&T...) sell it cheaper.

The iPhone "death grip" issue is not real. It has an external antenna, grabbing any external antenna in certain places will hurt performance. Phones used to have external antennas all the time and people never complained about this. The antenna bands are positioned in a way that for most people, they'll never hold them in a way that would affect performance. It takes a certain way of cupping your hand around the phone (who does that with such a small device, anyways?) to make it an issue.

The anti-iPhone attitude on here is amazing. The iPhone is a great product, and so are many other devices. I HATE iPhone's in-your-face popup notifications. That's THE biggest reason I'm NOT getting one. Second, is the level of control Apple has taken over the app store while not allowing side-loading.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Yes but Apple is the only one that markets itself on the premise that its devices dont have problems. With that phrase Apple is implying All their devices WORK ALL THE TIME FOR ANYONE. No other manufacturer is saying that. Because its impossible to guarentee. Even if a search provided ONE example of an apple device not working, then their claim, that it "IT JUST WORKS" would be proven wrong. Therefore it is silly to bring it up as a point in an argument SINCE IT IS CLEARLY UNTRUE. IF google or Microsoft or any other manufacturer claimed their devices "just worked" That too would be a lie. Because obviously not all devices will work to someones expectations, in all situations, all the time, be it due to manuifacturing error or user incompetence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmPq00jelpc

Do you understand where I am coming from? Generalised false statements do not make good arguments.
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
Yea that's maybe for the most of the US iPhone users, but what about those who lives else where? or even those who are in USA with a pay as you go sim card??

The point is not being offline or online all the time under UMST, EDGE or Wifi, the point is to provide a full service that help customers needs, instead of limitate everything..

Btw a smartphone today is meant to download contents from the web whether if its an iphone, an android phone or something else..

If you want something to just make phone calls, text, mms, and take pics, well u could get a $150 phone instead of an expensive useless one..

How do you know the CDMA one isn't affected from the same issue?? That's what we have been told but however we are not sure yet.. btw am I in US? everyone lives in US??? what about those who have bought the crappy 4 GSM one???

Oh yeah u like App Store restrictions right??? clearly you are not a developer... Lol just to consider that Java is now deprecated for Apple.. :D and High tech magazines that talks about anything else different than Apple and iOS, iPhone and iPad will never take place in your funny App Store.. was apple supposed to become the best and only e-reading solution?? Yeah lol.. I am sure it will be... someday..

Btw, my T-Mobile HTC G1 has got Gingerbread working just tonight...

Apple is supporting all their devices ?? although they have only 4 devices out there and should make sense to at least keep their OS supported for just 4 devices that's a dirty lie, as the iPhone 2G is no longer supported since iOS 4 came out... and Apple should have had cut the support for the iPhone 3G as well as it work as **** with iOS4, no matter what they do to improve it... LOL

Anyways, I am not trying to make up a fight or trol over Apple, I am rather explaining my points and my disappoints about it...
[Off-topic] -WP7User-:
I like the Apple computers (I've got a Mac Mini - with Win7 on it xD) but I hate the iPhone, iPod Touch etc. I had an iPhone myself, but I had just problems with it. As soon as I could afford another phone, I bought one with Android. It's just the thing that everyone who owns an iPhone feels "special" or "cool". But he's just another person who goes with the hype. And I can't stand things like "OMG! You don't have an iPhone, you're so dumb! Go and buy yourself an iPhone!". I hear that almost every week in school...
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
One man, one company, one device and one carrier..

I am not part of ur game man ...
[Off-topic] idavid_:
lol

around 745 $ :D

the price of iphone in our country is so big because stores don't sell iphone exactly ''legally''. but in other countries iphone is still around 200 $ more expensive than other phones.
[Off-topic] Ampicillin:
it also costs around 1000 USD , Here in China :eek: Who the f wants to spend that much money on one phone ? that does nothing compare to other phones :p , i guess laptop costs less then this ****ty apple iphone :mad:
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
Damn that's alot of money for a phone :p
[Off-topic] vbetts:
But fact is, the Os does work. The OS itself has no major issues, it's just the hardware that does.

For an iphone that is not jailbroken to be unlocked, you must have a data connection. The only thing that's limited on the Iphone, is AT&T with its data caps. You can still talk, text, surf the web, watch videos from youtube, and still do a lot more as you can with Android and WM/WP7.

Have you seen the reviews for the CDMA iphone? :D Again, Apple did offer a free solution to those with the Iphone 4's reception issue.

I'm not a developer, of course not. I never claimed to be. But for a platform to be strong and fast, you don't need to have an open platform. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for open source, but open source has it's problems too. Apple has had it's restrictions since the Iphone has been available, and there seems to be no issues with it with the developers that create apps for Ios.

Rooted my friend, when I say support I say real support from the phone manufacture. You shouldn't have to "hack" your phone to get updates for it.

While they don't offer any updates for the 2g, the 2g still has hardware support from Apple, as does the 3g. Notice how they fixed IOS4 on the 3g? If you are having problems with your 2g, or 3g, Apple will still offer support and still keep ios3 support for the apps in the app store. Now, there are some apps that require an open GL ES render that's in the 3gs and 4, but all the apps in the app store still must maintain IOS 3 support.

Same here, I like Apple. But Apple has their problems. Steve has had his heart set on no Flash on Ios just because of his disagreements with Adobe, and there's still the problem of no real desktop machine!

You can't really say that it costs more if you can't buy it legally then.
[Off-topic] overclockxp:
If apphole were to put out a terd with an Apple on it and call it the iTerd there are apphole fans that would buy it.

But apphole has always had problems and denied it. One was the battery issue. They insisted for years there was nothing wrong with the ipod battery. Then after there were DIY kits out there to fix the battery apphole finally started offering a replacement battery for $100.

Apphole kicks their customers in the teeth and they keep coming back for more.
[Off-topic] Ampicillin:
Why they call it APPLE !! ....lol :p
[Off-topic] husam666:
That's MY Joke :mad:
[Off-topic] :
Apple is apple, they are made for the simple minded with money, or people who don't want to tweak. I can handle having an ipod but even then it must be jailbroken. I would never get an iphone. :p

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[Off-topic] husam666:
Isn't that the same device? :confused: :p
[Off-topic] :
Exactly! And I would never have to rely on it as a phone! Haha

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[Off-topic] idavid_:
it's hard to rely on it when it's on ****ty network and loses signal...
[Off-topic] :
My point exactly, plus I would never want to have the same problem some iphone users had with their 1g phones. :p

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[Off-topic] piperat:
Lol I think you might be right. By the way I had a iphone 4 and got rid of it for the fascinate.

From my super clean dl30 fascinate
[Off-topic] htc fan89:
What about macbooks and etc those are good:D
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Nope a "Mac" is just a PC with picture of a fruit and an additional $250 or more slapped onto it.
[Off-topic] adamsavage:
Correct me if I'm wrong but it was apple who came out with the first touch screen smart phone. Hate to admit it though.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Wrong the first touchscreen phone was the IBM Simon made in 1992 and realeased in 1993

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_(phone)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone

Apple was first to release a phone with multi touch.
[Off-topic] adamsavage:
Ok well then they made touchscreen phones popular ?
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
Well not true.. apart from the hardware side which makes macs 100% a pc since 2007 when they have switched to X86 platform, yeah u use to pay that $250 more mainly for its OS which is really useful and reliable, for Apple services courtesy wich is really great (got a couple of times my macbook fixed for free even though it was out of warranty) and for the product itself. I mean, look at it mean, macs are truly beautiful, you can't really compare a macbook pro or an iMac with a normal pc or laptop, and just for that I'd pay that $250 more..

The macs aren't that overpriced as the iPhone is, and unlike the iPhone MacOSX its a great OS that let you do not just everything but even more, especially if you work as designer or better as musician.

Believe me man, I have had mac for almost 6 years now and I thank god that day I decided to finally make the switch..

I just hope Apple wont make macosx become as iOS ****, and if that will ever happen it will take me a second to come back to FreeBSD...
[Off-topic] Ampicillin:
It is hard to recommend a Mac for serious gaming, Mac only handles before 2000 B.C. Games :p Macs are beautiful on the outside, but you do not see anything inside , That is call Apple :cool: