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[Off-topic] Mark Uhde:
Umm, no. You're too spec-sheet obsessed. What is the value of a better quality (still TN, sadly, but better) LCD screen? The color gamut of my MacBook Pro can run circles around almost any other laptop. What is the value of glass covering the screen and aluminum construction? Of a backlit keyboard? Of the *huge* trackpad? That actually is one of the best selling points for a MacBook Pro - the trackpad Apple is using right now is amazing and blows everything else (built into a laptop) out of the water in terms of usability. What is the value of battery life? How about a FireWire connection (most others have got rid of this)? Bluetooth?

The Macs have a lot of hardware features that people don't think about. There's more to a computer than "RAM, processor, hard drive, video card" - when people say Macs are overpriced they're only looking at those four specs. Which is stupid. Would you say a car came down to "engine, transmission, wheels"? Of course not.

There are machines that are very similar all around to the Macs. And they tend to cost a lot *more* actually.

Second, you're not looking at the value of the software. The only way legally to get Mac OS X is on a Mac. And OS X is a very nice OS that has a lot of functionality that on Windows would require the addition of third party software. Plus, for my business I *need* software that *only* runs on OS X. That makes the value of OS X that much higher for my needs :) .

Macs are not overpriced. Neither is the iPhone. If they were overpriced, Apple would lower the price. Steve Jobs isn't stupid. If something is overpriced, it's priced above the point where you're making maximum profit (due to lower volume at higher prices). The problem with being a geek is you get too focused (I'm a geek too here) on a few spec sheet points, and fail to look at what you're getting as a package.
[Off-topic] jogabonitos:
I hate apple because their devices are useless and people who have it think about theirselfs that they are better than other
[Off-topic] Mark Uhde:
Useless? That's a pretty strong word. What's with the Apple hate? Their products are very good. The best for some needs, not for others.

I do things with my MacBook that the software simply doesn't exist to do with any other platform. Things that until a few years ago required thousands of dollars of hardware - replaced with an under-$1000 Mac OS X program. (specifically edge-blending multiple projectors). The graphics engine in the OS makes it possible.

There's more in life than office applications and games. I'm one of the house technicians at a large church that is also used regularly as a concert venue. We use all three platforms - Mac for video, Linux and Windows for lights, and Windows for sound. At the high end specialized level you buy the platform that the product you need is written for:

http://www.propresenter.com/ - primarily Mac software, Windows version of ONE product is available since last summer but even that product lacks several key features we rely on.

http://www.softwareaudioconsole.com/ - Windows only

http://chamsys.co.uk/ - runs on all three platforms, we use Linux with it

Those are the software solutions we felt best for our house system, and we bought the computers they require. Not the other way around. Likewise, I have an iPod Touch JUST to run a remote app written exclusively for it.

Fanboyism on all platforms needs to go away. Each platform has tools that one needs for certain jobs. Buy the platforms and products that have the best tools you need for the job you need to get done.
[Off-topic] MexicanDLyte:
Iphones dont have a replacement warranty!!! already replaced my Vibrant 2 times dues to stupid errors.... none of which were of any cost to me!
[Off-topic] Mark Uhde:
Um, yes, the iPhone has a warranty, same as every other phone sold - 1 year repair or replace at their option (phones are almost always replaced by every manufacturer, including Apple)
[Off-topic] simonti:
I was expressing my opinion and venting. I was stressing the point that everywhere I turn I hear apple this and that, even on the news. I hear people talk about ipad/iphone as if its the best thing since slice bread. Iphone is not the first smart phone and ipad is not the first and only mp3 player.

how many parents heard their kids ask for a iphone, ipad or ipod for christmas. Do they know about the features or specification of the phone? one reason it sells is because its popular and its the in-thing.

Friday I was in walmart and my 7yr old son saw a apple sign. He then said "daddy I want an iphone". I explain to him that it was over-price.

I read somewhere that steve job said 7" tablet will fail. I guess he is trying to say the ipad have the ideal size. Now i read that leaked ipad2 info say it will be coming with a 7" screen. I don't know how true that is.

I remember when I had htc wm smartphone before iphone was out. I used to hear how my phone was big but the iphone is just as big. A apple fanboy pick up my N1 and said my phone was heavier than the iphone, so I said "okkkk". I don't know about others but ounces is the least of my concern when im buying a smart phone.

I heard android users are more data-hog than iphone users. would it be safe to say that android and windows mobile users are a different breathe than iphone users.

I started this thread just to vent. Im not directly attacking ipad, ipod and iphone. They were made by man and they have bugs just like everything else. What I cant stand is how people behave as if apple products came down from heaven
[Off-topic] Yet Again:
because it's Apple!
[Off-topic] simonti:
remember when the death grip issue started with the iphone and the fan-boys started complaining, steve job couldn't handle it. Instead he put his energy into fixing the issue. He decided to start calling out other mfg. like motorola, nokia, htc etc stating they have similar antenna issue. He started running test showing how other manfacturer phone signal strenght drop when the phone was held in a certain way. The problem I had with that is the fan-boys are not complaining about other cell phone, they are complaining about the apple iphone.

Here is a comparison: iphone and htc stole some cookies. They ran into the backyard to hide. iphone hide in the garage and htc hide under the garage. The cops came and found iphone and decide to take him to jail, as iphone was going in the police car he decide to turn around and yell " come on out htc, they got us"
[Off-topic] Fresh & Minty:
What?

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[Off-topic] htc fan89:
Have to give credit to Apple for making a aluminium body laptop and the backlight keyboard is very good to type on. I'm using a macbook pro right now. But, I don't like apple's ios which is just too dull.
[Off-topic] piperat:
Pcs have backlit keyboards too. I use alienware and I have a 1080p 17" widescreen and mac has nothing close to touching it.

From my super clean dl30 fascinate
[Off-topic] 41LY45:
Have to give cred to them Macbooks for the design.

OS, it's good for people who works with photoshop and Unix based apps (research)

Other than that,

Nothing. :D
[Off-topic] XSafire:
I wouldn't say I hate apple, I just strongly disagree with their business practices.

I could write a short story about how I feel. Here's some pictures to sum up how I feel.

http://i.min.us/ieaLvK.jpg (too big)

(more of a linux guy, but proves the point)

I don't agree with their closed platform

I don't agree with their policing of apps

I don't agree with selling a pc for $3,000 when a windows pc withe the exact same specs cost $1,500 less

I do, however, think they are the most intelligent company out there. It's not an mp3 player, it's an iPod. Owning a Mac makes you feel like your part of a social movement. They managed to sell millions of blown up iPod Touch's (iPad's) to people, and no one really knew what their purpose was.

My mother owns an iPhone, and as she should. She doesn't have time or care about customizing or degree of openess. She just want's a phone to email, text, and listen to music easily. For people like that, the iPhone is perfect. There is no learning curve.

I do hate the fact that society has made the iPhone the phone to compare all others to. The iPhone was the most revolutionary thing in the world when it first came out. Most people were used to their razr's. A touch screen, let alone capacitive multi-touch screen was unheard of. For only $200 too. Spec-wise there are tons of phones that compare to it, and in some cases surpass. Once the atrix hits, Apple better have something huge for them to "change everything again"
[Off-topic] 41LY45:
You can say that.

The answer to your question : iPhone 5. Lol.
[Off-topic] eksajlee:
because they provide iPhone's without Android! :D
[Off-topic] AnonymousPeanut:
Fanboys, LOL!
[Off-topic] TheWolf_07:
Is simple! I love Android! :o
[Off-topic] oldblue910:
I'm oldblue910 and I approve this message. :D
[Off-topic] husam666:
OK we get the message... You hate apple and so does everyone here :rolleyes:

That's why they created iphone-developers
[Off-topic] hungry81:
These two quotes almost contradict each other:

Capactitive Multitouch was the only thing apple bought to the table. This is hardly revolutionary. Its a fun useful feature sure, but put it in perspective. Don't forget the original iphone was essentially a shiny dumbphone. Remember all the features they DIDN'T have? Marketing is apples strong point. And you are playing into their hands. I also think you are understating the price of the original iphone by about $250.
[Off-topic] XSafire:
It wasn't just capacitive multi touch, the entire OS it was built on was something that hadn't been done. The app store wasn't for another year but there was still no competition at that point, so that was awesome as well.

I agree it was a shiny dumb phone, but it was the coolest phone at the time. I agree marketing is Apple's strongpoint, and I praised them for that, and I'm pretty sure the iPhone 4gb was $200 with 2 year att.
[Off-topic] sakai4eva:
Yeah, I hate apples too. I'd very much prefer oranges because their more juicy and pulpy.

I didn't read the first post though, so I gather this is about the fruit and not about the company that makes media players (because an iPhone 4 is just another iPod that pretends that it can call, amirite?) because EVERYBODY in XDA hates Apple rite?
[Off-topic] FLAC Vest:
I also like the design of all of their hardware; it is very solid and streamlined.

I don't like the design of the phone though; the phone had too much strength and not enough toughness; hence so many broken screens and backs when dropped.

Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
[Off-topic] liamhere:
hummmmm

speak for yourself please :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] :
When I enter an Apple store, I see this....
[Off-topic] husam666:
I hate it when mods do that to me :mad: :D :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] tb87:
My text messages have been screwed up recently. Basically someone texts me and on the message it says I received at 1045 but its really 1040 and when I reply my messages come with the proper time. It makes my logs all screwed up. I'm using the stock app on myns rom with the stock kernel. Anyone else experiencing this or know of a fix?
[EVO 4G General] scooter185:
Been having the same issue on burnt droid 1.4.2, also with the stock app. :/
[EVO 4G General] tb87:
Cool. Well not really but atleast its not just me and maybe its something with sprint? Sine you have a different kernel and rom I'm kinda thinking its them. I think I will try wiping my dalvik and stuff, just a shot in the dark.
[EVO 4G General] tb87:
Seems to have worked so far. I well see more tomorrow I guess.
[EVO 4G General] tb87:
Still no good. Anyone else having this problem?
[EVO 4G General] Rydah:
I do. :(
[EVO 4G General] jmollabi:
same here..its funny how u get a response before the text is sent out
[EVO 4G General] r916:
me too.

10char
[EVO 4G General] tb87:
What are you all using?
[Atrix 4G General] naxir:
The Motorola Atrix is a phone. There are accessories for it. I understand the price of the mobile dock is unreasonably high, but stop looking at it from the standpoint that it's worthless without it's unique dock. Was the Nexus One worthless without this dock? Was the G1 worthless without the dock? Of course not, it didn't exist. Take the dock out of the equation and the Atrix is still going to be one of the best phones out there. Dual core with a gig of ram, it's a monster compared to what's out right now.

You can speculate whether or not the bootloader will be locked. Maybe it will be, maybe it won't be. Motorola said publicly that they would like to enable developers to do what they want. Should we take them on their word? No, not yet. But until it's out, stop trashing the image of what could be a great device based on assumptions.

These forums should be a tool used to make the android world a better place. Complaining about a device not yet released helps no one.
[Atrix 4G General] Nescoffe:
It completely agree. Therefore I will buy it.
[Atrix 4G General] Rastor:
The dock was what took it from nice powerful phone to amazing. Without that... there will be plenty of great dual-core phones this year, no need to deal with AT&T.

Goodbye AT&T.
[Atrix 4G General] antioch216:
I have to use AT&T and I'm tired of my iPhone 3G. SO I'll probably be getting this.. It's an awesome phone with killer specs that could probably hold it's own for a year and half.
[Atrix 4G General] Nescoffe:
In a year - two will be four nuclear, can them then to wait?
[Atrix 4G General] kennethpenn:
I agree. Still the most powerful, best specced phone out there.
[Atrix 4G General] ruben_b:
Sadly the dock is too expensive, but you still get Gorilla Glass, a qHD display and a 1900 mAh battery! No other phone can compete with this specs at the moment. So I'm still eagerly awaiting the Atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] irishtexmex:
I think what's bothering people is that this phone is going to be needlessly hampered down by AT&T by way of locked bootloader, no sideloading, & motoblur causing update delays. All of this crap bundled into the phone was somewhat alleviated, though, because it allowed use for all of these awesome accessories. Now that for all intents and purposes these accessories are off the table for most, everyone is left with a hindered Atrix, while competitors have similarly spec'd devices without the bloat.
[Atrix 4G General] naxir:
I wasn't aware the device was out yet.
[Atrix 4G General] jimmypopulous:
Bootloader is locked; it's policy for Moto devices now. Droid was an exception. The strange thing is that the pressure to lock isn't coming from carriers.

Still, it will be interesting to see if Moto will follow through with increased interaction with the development community. A vague promise was made after their Twitter faux pas a couple of weeks back.
[Atrix 4G General] Xevilious:
This.

The Atrix is just another high-powered Android phone without the laptop dock... made slightly less cool with the existence of Motoblur.

There are LOTS of us who would have bought the thing if it weren't for the overpriced dock and (more significantly) the idiotic tethering requirement. Alone, it's a beefy phone... but it's on AT&T. Gross. I'll wait for something better on one of the other networks.
[Atrix 4G General] blognc:
The reason for me, which I don't see anyone else having an issue with, is that there are very few Android phones with truly stellar keyboards, and on AT&T, there are absolutely none. The Atrix's laptop dock gave me a good reason to move from the slowness and limited capabilities of my Rhodium without giving up the usability of a good keyboard, even if it would force me to carry around a little laptop. I don't give a crap about the Firefox browser, the dual core processor, the fingerprint scanner or anything (though I loved the features just the same), I just wanted to be able to write my damn emails on a decent keyboard, and AT&T screws it up.
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Absolutely bang on.
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
If you're willing to carry around a laptop, then why don't you just use a bluetooth or USB keyboard?
[Atrix 4G General] miztic:
The expensive dock is disappointing, but not a deal breaker for me, I need to replace my phone and the Atrix has fantastic specs.

I would like to be able to custom rom it (to get rid of motoblur if neccesary, fix sideloading and possibly fix slow moto updates). but that's also not a deal breaker.

I'm hoping that moto will at least update their flagship phone an update or two, if they don't, I'll just never buy another motorola phone again. (this will be my first)

So I'm still planning to pre-order the phone as soon as I can (13th I believe). I need to upgrade my aging G1 and I don't want to wait until this summer when HTC or somebody comes out with a phone with comparable specs. In all, the whole deal could be a lot better without the locked down phone and a cheaper dock, but I'm still looking forward to getting it..

Also, motorola posted on their fb that they are looking at working with developers, that gives me a little hope that maybe I could enroll into some dev program that lets me unlock the phone in the future. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that wasn't just hot air & marketing BS.
[Atrix 4G General] smitty1:
If the question is about why the blind hatred then I can answer that.

The pricing on the dock is beyond insulting.

It is a clear statement that at&t are a bunch of bastards!

They offer a deal that even at 500$ with just the phone and the dock wouldn't be that great, but nope it is at&t so they have to take it to the next screw job level.

To get their "offer" they want to lock you into another twenty bucks a month for two flippin years. So all told you would shell out close to 800 bucks for a keyboard and a mouse, that no one else will ever want. In two years time what is a dock for the atrix going to sell on ebay? My bet would be 50 bucks.

at&t makes it pretty clear they think their customers are dog ****.

That is why people rightly hate at&t, because they treat the public like they are ****.

That being said I'm still interested in the phone ;)
[Atrix 4G General] arcticreaver:
i don't really mind the motoblur or the sideloading or even the expensive dock - you can either get the laptop dock or not.

i just want to be able to tether the phone for free, like how i do with my nexus one right now. i don't use it a lot but i find the feature very useful when traveling. but seeing how att is acting, tethering on my grandfathered unlimited plan does not seem like a reality.
[Atrix 4G General] jbizz:
Yeah, the price of the dock is a bit disappointing when all you're really getting is a 11" lcd screen and keyboard with a few pins that connect it to the phone. Im not too worried about "not" having the dock.

As far as it being locked down, I am pretty sure that there will be quite a few developers that will be able to crack this thing, and put some tasty ROMs on it. Look at the Droid X, it was locked down when it first came out.

Specs wise, I feel this is the phone I am going to get to replace my Aria. I want amazing display, a front facing camera, it has dual core proc, 1gb of ram, 16gb of internal, 1930 mAh battery... Seriously, is there another phone out there that can beat it? The dual core LG phone that is coming out does not have 1gb of ram. Who cares that it has a 5mp rear camera? ARE YOU TAKING THESE TO WALGREENS AND PRINTING THEM?

I need a phone for when I am on the road on the weekends, and I need to get sh*t done. I can do it with the Aria now, but I have to have it on a car charger when I am in the car.

I have been with AT&T for a long time, since before they were even Cingular, and they have always treated me right, and I have never really had any coverage issues other than when in the middle of NO WHERE! So, not a big deal to me.

Every one has their opinion though!
[Atrix 4G General] DarkDvr:
From first Atrix reviews:

Pixelated screen that looks bad (they managed to f**k up qHD somehow i guess)

FroYo that uses only 1 core

Motoblur

Locked bootloader (Droid X's encrypted bootloader, anyone?)

No sideloading

Kinda boring design

Flaky fgp reader

$25/mo for 2GB? No thank you.

And.. drumroll... so-called AT&T "4G" that's slower than their 3G.

Yay!
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
What review are you referring to? I've been reading them all and haven't seen that. Reviews have complimented the screen. The only place I saw a similar comment was on CNET, where the reviewer was comparing it to an iPhone 4 and saying that since the screen is bigger at similar resolution, it is more 'pixelated' than the iPhone4. Not a valid point, since you'd have to hold the Atrix at the end of your nose to be able to distinguish the pixels.

Motoblur? Install a different launcher

No sideloading? Use sideload wonder machine.

Kinda boring design? Yeah, dual 1GHz and 1GB and HDMI and two OS's is very boring. Yawn. I thought every phone had that?

Flaky FP reader? Disable it if you don't like it. Are you comparing it to other phones' fingerprint readers? Because last I checked there weren't any.

2GB for $25 is stupid. Lucky some of us have unlimited.

I'm skeptical about the speed issues myself, but we'll see. If 4G really is slower than 3G, I'm sure that we can just disable it and go with the faster 3G. As stupid as that sounds (because it is).
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Esteway.619:
Is there a i9000 boot and shutdown animation.zip that's cm3 flashable? I tried serching but couldn't find anything.

Thanks in advance.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vpka007:
Not that I can find...YOU should make one. That would be cool.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Esteway.619:
If I knew how I would lol
[Galaxy 3 General] aeonstorm:
hi guys I have a rooted froyo 2.2 i5801

the gps is really unstable and I'm out of solutions. I have tried fasterfix gps booster.. change settings at gpssetup2 but I just can't get a lock on 100 percent of the time. sometimes it detects multiple satellites but it just can't lock onto it. oh and I'm from Singapore.

it would be great if anyone can recommend me some settings or solutions

thanks!
[Galaxy 3 General] jazux:
i have asked the same thing but it seems that the problem is in beta froyo´s.

i quess we just need to wait official 2.2
[Galaxy 3 General] disconsolate:
Use octy's GPSopt and then install GPS toolbox - wait until finds the satellites.

then enjoy a fixed GPS phone :)
[Galaxy 3 General] Bobbydigital86:
GPS Toolbox is great
[Droid Eris General] jcase:
I am looking for an artist to do some icon, button and logo work for me. Nothing major.

I can trade webhosting (on either coast), maybe some custom application development, or maybe some cash.

Artwork will be used in both free and commercial applications.

shoot me an email jcase @ cunninglogic.com if you are interested.
[Droid Eris General] EhudBenjamin:
I forwarded your address to my daughter, she's not a pro but does PhotoShop and digital drawing both. Maybe she can help.
[Droid Eris General] Stoney 666:
Maybe we at Bad Seed can help out... pm me with what you want to have done.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GaBoRoOtSs:
Is there a way to download a black or clear nottification bar without downloadin a rom?? Or theme

-Sent using my Epic 4g!!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MysteryEmotionz:
Nope

Android Creative Syndicate- From spontaneous ingenuity, comes creative brilliance
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GaBoRoOtSs:
is the syndicate rom good??
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MysteryEmotionz:
Syndicate rom, xtreme kernel, my theme was my 2.1 set up

Android Creative Syndicate- From spontaneous ingenuity, comes creative brilliance
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] musclehead84:
Seems to be everyones favorite on eclair.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GaBoRoOtSs:
But how can i install it it dont flash on CM3

-Sent using my Epic 4g!!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MysteryEmotionz:
cause that's a di18 rom. Your gonna need to odin the di8 tar

Android Creative Syndicate- From spontaneous ingenuity, comes creative brilliance
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GaBoRoOtSs:
Wats so good about dat rom??

-Sent using my Epic 4g!!