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[Nook Color General] zdrifter:
Remember that android is a linux based system .. runs on partions formatted for linux systems .. the part you can 'see' in you windowz unit is FAT32 probably. if you want more space use something like gParted (or winowz based Partion Magic, etc) to increase the ext3 partition (shrinking the FAT32 partition) .. hope this helps
[Nook Color General] 71CH:
Thanks for the response. Anyway to do this in terminal on a mac?
[Nook Color General] 71CH:
NVM, got it to work.
[Nook Color General] racks11479:
Was browsing through and saw this thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=939589

Went to it and just saw an update at CNET.

"Update: The latest rumor, once again courtesy of Good E-Reader, is that the reason for the temporary unavailability is that Barnes & Noble is in the process of installing an anti-rooting "fix" for the Nook Color because people have been hacking the device to run a custom version of the Android-based firmware. That custom firmware allows users to access and download apps from the Android Marketplace, including competing e-reading apps such as Kindle and Kobo. If a significant percentage of Nook Color buyers are doing this, it presents a problem for Barnes & Noble (Sony doesn't like to talk about it but it had major issues with the PSP being hacked). Good E-Reader cites a "Barnes & Noble source" in mentioning the rumor, but to be clear, we don't know if there's any truth to it or not, and we're not sure how Barnes & Noble would truly be able to lock the device down." :mad:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20030475-1.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

Watcha think? Fact or Fiction?
[Nook Color General] one4thewings:
Fiction. The NOOKcolor has WAY too many hardware issues. I went through 4 NC's to get a good screen. My latest works but the USB is near impossible to plug-in. I have to maneuver it so it's plugged in at an angle and then it finally slips in and begins charging. I really believe this is a quiet hardware recall. Even the BN Associate at store told me they rushed these things out because they knew how great the demand was.

Besides, what could they possibly do to stop the rooting of these devices? That would involve a hardware modification. And why would they shoot their golden goose? It's not like it's costing them 3G data, the fact this thing can be a Android Tablet is THEE reason so many are selling. It's not like we're all avid readers.
[Nook Color General] redking79:
Are you really this stupid?

The Nook Color can be rooted and Kindle reader can be installed. So let's say a random dude is deciding between a Kindle and a Nook Color. He can get a Kindle and read Kindle books or get a Nook Color, root it, read BN books AND Kindle books. Guess what, BN just got another $249.

AYRTS?
[Nook Color General] racks11479:
I was thinkin' along the same lines. And from what I've read through the forums. Most people that root their devices end up downloading the B&N Nook Shop app to use anyways.
[Nook Color General] Eirikr88:
I gotta admit that it would be really silly for them to lock it down. They have probably made more sales in the fact that it makes such a great inexpensive android tablet alone. To lock it down would kill sales in one major area where they are most likely racking in the most money.
[Nook Color General] one4thewings:
Wow, God forbid he ask other people's opinions. I guess he should rely on the clear headed logical thinking of corporate America. Why don't we all have that level of faith in businesses to do the right thing?

Go take a cold shower.
[Nook Color General] racks11479:
Really? If I am coming off as "AYRTS"

Then let me apologize for trying to start a conversation amongst the wonderful community that we have here at XDA. No need to go that route.

But I do appreciate your input. Thank you.
[Nook Color General] everalm:
Realistically, how many generic end users, the ACTUAL target audience for an e-reader, is going to root and screw around with the device..? Way less than 1%, probably not even 1/10th of that.......

The people who DO probably bought the device BECAUSE it can be played with which means B+N got more hardware sales.

B+N sells books, they don't have an "App Store" or it's ilk so no revenue stream there and consequently no real financial incentive for the ever futile attempts to stop jail breaking as performed by a certain fruit themed company.

I have rooted and played with my NC AND bought books from B+N and will continue to do so. F*king people like me off is all downside for them.

Now that doesn't mean some suit in Marketing and Sales at B+N with an MBA and a serious coke habit wouldn't get a stiffie by screwing over the buying public.......:D
[Nook Color General] one4thewings:
B&N actually has plans to start an App Store. So maybe they are concerned about the competition. But still, like you mentioned the number of people who root it are far less than the people who bought an eReader. Hell, I bought the eReader and found out about it's potential later. 95% of people are never going to do anything to it but get the B&N updates.

Source: http://techpinger.com/2010/12/barnes-and-noble-nook-color-app-store-coming-in-early-2011/

Yes, it's a terrible source but I've read it elsewhere too.
[Nook Color General] eusor:
On top of that, there's also the question of how much profit they make by selling the eBook reader by itself. And they also don't have to support rooted users.
[Nook Color General] racks11479:
My whole family pretty much has a nook color. And we all purchased it without knowing the fact that it could be rooted. But after I rooted mine. Everyone wanted theirs rooted as well. I have mine running Nookie Froyo. And I still buy my books from B&N. The rest of my family is on the stock rooted and they love the device that much more. And they too use the B&N shop. They just enjoy the extra features this little device is capable of performing.

As "everalm" put it. "F*king people like me off is all downside for them."

I'll second that notion.
[Nook Color General] Homer_S_xda:
How hard would it be to strap us with eFuze?

Homer
[Nook Color General] A. Nonymous:
Honestly, it would be in BN's best interest to do this. Having Kindle, Kobo, Amazon, etc.... all on one device with a 7 inch screen is awesome for the consumer and terrible for BN. Plus, when they roll out their app store, they'd have to compete with the Google Marketplace plus any 3rd party sources. They don't want to do this and I can't blame them. Why would you want Amazon competing with you on your own (supposedly proprietary) device?
[Nook Color General] everalm:
@ anon

Simple cost/benefit analysis

How many sales are B+N ACTUALLY losing when less than 1% of NC's are rooted AND most of those people are still buying from B+N..?

How much time, effort and energy will B+N have to buy from OTHER people to try and block rooting etc.....?

How often will they then have to do it AGAIN when their blocking gets broken AGAIN...?

Rinse and repeat

Remember B+N make money ON BOOK SALES, their profit on that is waaaaaay higher than some poxy App Store that would never compete with Google Market

All downside, no upside
[Nook Color General] zdrifter:
As I posted in another thread, B&N has a huge problem with NookColor microUSB's and I suspect the factory has made a 'running change' to the microUSB and now has a temporary parts shortage .. eating all those microUSB returns has gotta hurt plus it is creating a potentially large 'refurb' market that will drain new unit sales ... as others have said and other device suppliers have learned, blocking root consumes lots of resources but always fails ... but really who knows what they are doing ..
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
I want to say this -

For one, i think people are downplaying the "XDA Effect". The rooted NC booting honeycomb didn't just make "geek" news, it made mainstream news, and got ALOT of people interested. I suspect it is easily more than 1%. And of that new interest, very little of it will be in the actual "eReader" portion. Which brings me to my second point..

The hardware in our nook is not cheap people, and we need to understand that. Yes, there are build issues, but lets put that aside, and look at just the hardware. We have:

A 7" 1024x600 IPS screen - This is NOT cheap; can you think of any other device this cheap that has such a high quality screen?

A Ti OMAP3621 CPU

PowerVR SGX530 GPU

8GB Flash ROM

512MB RAM

4000mAh battery

802.11 b/g/n wifi

Quite honestly, this thing easily matches consumer cell phones in specs (Droid incredible, Droid X/2). That may not sound good at first, but keep in mind, the retail on those cell phones is $450-500+... There are very few devices with these specs for this cheap.

Which all of this leads me to think - the hardware itself is a loss leader. B&N is expecting users to buy these, and then buy plenty of books to make their profit. If the numbers of these devices sold keep rising, but no associated B&N book sales come in, i would not be surprised if they feel that they have to do something.

Now, i think they will be making the biggest mistake they could possibly be making IF they did lock it down with an eFuse, as word of mouth from disgruntled buyers is hard to kill. It is easy to look past some build quality issues BECAUSE of just how versatile the device is otherwise. If you take that away, you might find bigger problems....
[Nook Color General] daganb:
For some reason I don't see the inventory nor engineering available to fix this issue in 2 weeks.

Do you really think this company has the resources to design / build / deploy and retrofit a hardware solution? With little to no internal or beta testing? In a 2 week timespan? "Hey Mr. chip supplier, I need 2 million of these efuses made for my hardware overnight, I'll pay the additional shipping, kthnx".

Lets say they go the hardware lockout way and they make one tiny mistake this next 2 weeks, suddenly ALL the nooks are dead.

If anything it will be a software solution, making sure they are updating all nooks to a "unrootable" OS that will be promptly hacked by XDA in less then a week.

If anything they will design better hardware lockouts (ala Motorola) for the next generation Nook.

I'm hoping at least, I was waiting on a paycheck at the end of this week to free up enough money to run down to my local B+N and pick up a NC for the explicit reason of running 3.0.
[Nook Color General] zstick:
So I've been putting off getting the NC for a while, but if there is ANY chance this could lead to serious setbacks in the rooting process I might be motivated to go get one immediately. And I realize the rationale behind B&N NOT trying to block root access, but I know first hand how little rationality goes into some of these major corporate decisions.

I might at least grab one, then keep an eye out for news during the 14-day return period. If there's a major fix or break that might help me decide whether or not to exchange or keep.

Thoughts?
[Nook Color General] animatechnica:
Re: BN blocking rooting - This is a good thought but i'd say people who root probably make up < 5% of nc buyers

As to whether they will fix the hw - very unlikely they will physically change 100k let alone 500k units located in mmany different locations

I think the hold is to wait until some sotware is ready they can push as people turn on their nc for the first time

Miht it be some tie in between the market and the bn shop? Would make sense they get a cut of items sold on the market usin their device rooted or not
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
You do realize that nothing says they have to retrofit all the old devices in two weeks right? ***IF*** they were planning on something like this, it is possible it has been in the pipes for longer, and that NEW hardware is just replacing the old.

No, i don't believe they are doing this at all, but to say it is impossible is also foolish..
[Nook Color General] Bandage:
B&N has stated that the overall cost of production for a NC is around $200...so they only get around $50 for each NC sold. For a company teetering on bankruptcy, they have been banking on their app store / ebook sales for revenue...hence the reason behind the anti-root sentiments.
[Nook Color General] Mike.Nguyen:
I think a lot of people are missin the point. A few of you hit it on the head. Sony did it years ago with the Playstation2. Hardware companies will undersell their products in hopes of making revenue off the software portion. As someone stated earlier, the NC is NOT cheap to make. Parts, manufacturing, and the like all cost a lot. B&N is not making much, if anything selling these to have them rooted. Think about the function of the unrooted NC. Not much besides buying books, listening to Pandora and casually surfing the web. B&N books are the main function.

It would make sense for them to lock it down. Will they? Don't think they'll invest the resources just yet.
[Nook Color General] lafester:
if people would stop returning their nooks because they THINK they bricked them we wouldn't have to deal with this bs.
[Nook Color General] dennis-:
B&N should really look at history before they try this.

microsoft has been trying to keep people from hacking and cracking their products for well over 10 years and have failed to do so.

there will always be people on sites just like this one who will find a way around any attempt they make at making them un rootable. the company is in line to be bought out by borders due to lack of sales and bankruptcy. why would they even think about wasting the money to do something to the color that may work for at best a month.
[Nook Color General] james robinson:
Agreed!!!
[Nook Color General] bundee1:
Here are some facts that I am privy to and educated guesses according to my sources.

1) 2.2 and flash are coming at the end of March.

2) The reason all the BN stores are sold out is because they pushed all shipments and manufacturing up to fill the holiday rush orders. Stock should be in by Valentine's Day. I think this also caused some of the manufacturing defects some of you guys may be experiencing. There really weren't that many returns before the holiday rush. 2 or 3 units max before demand really picked up at my friends place.

I don't think they will lock down the device. I think seeing postings on line of Kindle running on it might have scared some suits but I think the percentage of people using Kindle software on this is tiny.
[Nook Color General] james robinson:
Agreed!!! I've had numerous WinMo device and the wonderful people at XDA & PPCGeeks have found a way to unlock my devices every time!!!
[Nook Color General] MentalDragon:
All I know is that I just ordered one, then few seconds after I hit pay I found this article on google reader. I was fixing to freak. I went back to BN website and saw that my Nook Color would not be shipped until Feb 15. Then all this starts to make more and more since. I hope it isnt true. If it is I will just take it up to the store and return it and find one instore that is able to be rooted. I am sure you can still buy one in store at this moment. They would not be pulling them off the shelves. They would loose way too much money.
[Nook Color General] james robinson:
Won't Work!!!

As long as it's Android & the Android Community doesn't die or get tired of messing with it, the NC will be rooted!!!
[Nook Color General] deolarte:
well all i know is that when the nook color was announced, i considered it a joke. Boy was i wrong.
[Nook Color General] randomxda:
the problem you are having is due to the PLUG not the nook. had the same issue and double checked it with a working/newer nook. call customer service and get a new plug. should be free
[Nook Color General] bundee1:
I think the article is making some false assumptions. When they say stock is being sent to nook HQ in NYC, it isnt because of a recall. I think stores are shifting stock to locations where nook is selling best. NYC is the hottest market for nook so it makes sense. Any stock in the stores now still has either 1.01 or 1.1 software so no worries.
[Nook Color General] s0ma:
I visited two local Best Buys and they were both sold out. I hopped on their website and got one shipped to me in 2 days. The closest B&N store was about 20mi away, but they did have them in stock.

Why wait 2 weeks? Unless you have gift cards to B&N that you're using...
[Nook Color General] Desperus:
that would be monumentally stupid.. Even though I have rooted my NC, and installed Kindle, I am still buying nmy books from B&N, it just feels good and makes me feel better knowing I am giving the manufacturer of such an incredible product some earnings.. I want to motivate them to keep innovating on this and future devices this way...

If the locked root off, this would make me reevaluate my feelings towards B&N..

They would shoot themselves on the foot doing this..
[Nook Color General] one4thewings:
Where did you get this idea? B&N is larger than Borders. Both are in trouble but Borders is much closer to bankruptcy than B&N. B&N knows that eReaders are the future of the market. Still, closing the doors on an inventory stream because it CAN be used for other things doesn't make sense. I could see why they would get their panties in a bunch if someone cracked their in-store infrastructure and started downloading full books for free. But Android rooting isn't the threat to them that piracy is. What we're doing here is not piracy, it's creating a secondary market for their eReader.

http://www.internetbits.com/borders-bookstore-on-edge-of-bankruptcy/57481/
[Nook Color General] bugeyed1:
I don't for a minute believe the $200 figure! If it cost them that much, how would they be able to sell them through Best Buy & other retailers? These other stores need to see a margin & B&N is not going to give them away. It is not likely that we will ever know the actual cost to build & deliver the Nook Color, but we can hope that B&N has enough margin built in to keep the product coming & still be able to afford to support & develop for it.

Cheers,

kev
[Nook Color General] james robinson:
You weren't the only one!!!

You weren't the only one. I saw the reviews and chalked it up as a Kindle with color!!!
[Nook Color General] bundee1:
Wow waaaaaaay off.

BN stock is at almost $17

Borders stock is at 40 cents.

hardware/supply issue, lets not overreact.

Lets try and post stuff that's true or most likely true.
[Nook Color General] gladiusdei:
Anecdotes: Last time I went into B&N and chilled in the cafe with my nook. 3 random people with NCs, 2 simply rooted and 1 running nookiefroyo. People I know personally with nooks -12. People I know personally with rooted nooks -12. STAFF at the local B&N with rooted nooks - 5+
[Nook Color General] darylal:
I heard that Aliens intersepted the last boat load of Nook's while being transported in a container ship in the pacific! Hence the supply disruption. Bet they will root them. :-)
[Nook Color General] gladiusdei:
Borders is about to file bankruptcy, BTW, so they're not buying anyone. They just met with their publishers and distributors to inform them that they can't pay them.

Here's the deal with a possible root - freeze out. The nook is almost a loss leader. The money is supposed to be made up on the backend by accessory and ebook sales. If they're not making that money, they not "making" $249 on every nook, they are, if I understand the numbers correctly, barely turning a profit on each device somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 per nook.
[Nook Color General] brian.q.g:
I couldn't wait for Best Buy to restock the Nook, so last Saturday, (1/29) I went to the B&N in Union Square, NYC and purchased a Nook Color. They had a ton in stock. Mine was version 1.0.0. This past Sunday, there was a flyer for eReaders being on sale at Best Buy with a free case, so I placed an order, with the NC being on backorder.

I think this is simply a hardware problem, since mine and others have had the microUSB problem, as well as the sound dropping out issue. Best Buy wouldn't have run a sale on the device without expecting it will be back in stock sooner, than later.
[Nook Color General] dehidding:
Root blocking could certainly happen in the future. I suspect it is unlikely at this time. If it was to occur, it wold probably occur on the next physical hardware version of the NC.

Given the complexity of the pc board, they would have to re-engineer the board and part placement to accept an efuse. Additionally, there are certicications they would have to re-pass. And there is the added component cost. Working in manufacturing, I can assure you that these would not be easy decisions to make.

More likely, is that demand has exceeded their expectations, build quaility has not met their expectations, and they now find themselves in an out of stock situation.
[Nook Color General] bundee1:
----->BINGO!
[Nook Color General] stwallman:
Maybe since 1.1 has been released of the stock firmware they are just wanting to get them updated (hence the delay) ?
[Nook Color General] JetGigan:
I'm assuming you're young and tech-savvy and so are your friends. I've seen several people on the NYC subways with Nook Colors, all in their 30s and up, none rooted. B&N's target demographic for NCs has never heard of rooting or how to go about doing it, unlike the PSP's and DS's target audiences that are fully aware of how to pirate games. Also, rooting a Nook is more complicated and obscure than the handheld piracy methods.

In any case, the tiny percentage of people with rooted NCs most likely wouldn't have bought one if the device was locked down and lacked a dev scene. This should really have no impact on B&N's sales, especially since some people on rooted Nooks are still buying books and mags.
[Nook Color General] MissKristine:
I am so freakin fed up with b&n. The speaker on my nook doesn't work, and never did. I've had the thing since early december but didn't get around to calling b&n til jan 13 (i dont live near a store to exchange it and their phone support sux so i kept puttng it off). They tell me on the phone i will have it in 2 to 5 days. Then i get an email that it is scheduled to ship jan 28. So i call feb 1, and nobody can tell me if the damn thing shipped yet. No, they wont transfer me to somebody who can tell me, im just supposed to sit around and wait for it. How the hell do they not have access to shipping info!?!?!??! I really wish i would have ordered my original from best buy.

</rant> sorry..., just had to get that off my chest

Oh and if my new one has 1.1 installed already...... oh hell to the no!
[Nook Color General] exdroid1:
Whatever the case, I'll be happy so long as I got the Gmail app, remote desktop apps and a desktop publishing suite.
[Nook Color General] Musicman247:
We need to make sure each of us buys at least one book every 3 months so B&N doesn't lock it down. :p
[Nook Color General] DTgreat:
My 10 month quota has officially been filled then.
[Nook Color General] khaytsus:
WHAT Anti-Root sentiments? Those from the blogs? B&N has said zero about rooting. Don't attribute the BS that some blog said to actual fact.
[Nook Color General] mister-walter:
What I'm wondering about is how B&N got the awesome IPS screen, 512m of RAM, and processing hardware very similar to the hardware in the Droid X into an Android device for $200.
[Nook Color General] miemens:
Looks like an inventory bug screwed up their distribution so they're simply moving NCs around for supply/demand reasons. I can't post the link right now but phandroid.com has a post with source on the issue.
[Nook Color General] Homer_S_xda:
I was thinking at first elves, like Keebler(TM) elves. Then I read the back and saw Assembled in China. Now I'm think it's more like Chinese Black Magic. "Like I told my first wife, I never drive faster than I can see and it's all in the reflexes!"

Homer