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[HTC Sensation] TareX:
That 1.2 Ghz processor is the dual-core Snapdragon APQ8060. The APQ8060 processor comes with two cores clocked at 1.2 GHz and is paired with an Adreno 220 GPU. It’s able to support cameras up to 16 megapixels, can capture and display full 1080p HD stereoscopic 3D video (including over HDMI), and can manage 3D still photos at up to 8 megapixels.

Better than the Tegra 2? You betcha. Is seems to be the flagship Ice Cream sandwich phone.

EDIT: My bad; it's a dual-core Snapdragon, but not the same one used in the Touch pad. Here're the specs:
[HTC Sensation] elementalfusion:
here's an early benchmark of the pyramid, rather disappointing:

http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...60-smartbench-2011-result-have-been-revealed/
[HTC Sensation] Dirk:
Synthetic benchmarks are to be taken with a pinch of salt. Pyramid is looking tasty but i bet it won't have docking contacts or even a free pouch in the package.

Nexus One, still the best :)
[HTC Sensation] Piter1225:
I love the design, and I think that HTC willtry to make some more optimisation to the software, so users will recieve high quality product.

Short summary of Pyramid news:

http://mobileboard.blogspot.com/2011/03/htc-pyramid-renders-benchmarks.html

Cheers

Piter1225
[HTC Sensation] Lord_Buckington:
Or maybe it will be the first Honeycomb-like Android for phones. So maybe Ice Cream, assuming that's what it turns out to be. The benchmarks are disappointing but that could improve with optimization assuming there's any to be done

Sent from my Nexus One
[HTC Sensation] pfmiller:
Android 3.1 wouldn't be surprising but 3.0 seems unlikely. It's already been said that phone support would come in the next release after 3.0.
[HTC Sensation] TareX:
They meant HTC Sense 3.0
[HTC Sensation] Lord_Buckington:
That would certainly make more sense than Honeycomb ;)
[HTC Sensation] markomarkogame:
Guys, this just maybe the new Google phone, nexus 2/3 ?

Check out the article
[HTC Sensation] Trekest:
Nah, Honeycomb in this sort of device makes no sense (see what I did there?).

At the moment there's a lot of hype on Sense 3.0, which as far as I'm aware was built entirely on the Gingerbread platform. Heck, even their tablet doesn't run Honeycomb.

My estimate is that it'd stick with Gingerbread for now - probably would be released as 2.4 (confirmed to be Gingerbread as well).

I was shown a video of an early Pyramid Dev build the other day, and all I know is that it has a cool new unlock screen, cool transition effects between home pages and bugs. Lots and lots of bugs :p
[HTC Sensation] bplewis24:
But then that would defeat the possibility of it being a Nexus--or even pure Google--phone.

Brandon
[HTC Sensation] dylyxcore:
rather disappointing benchmark results in comparison to the optimus 2x...

http://androidandme.com/2011/03/new...s-omap4-and-snapdragon-match-up-with-tegra-2/
[HTC Sensation] DiZzle.:
Just a little thinking and some math.

If this is gonna be HTC's first dualcore phone, it will be their new top model. I've read somewhere HTC wants to bring out a new top model every 9 months. The desire hd is their current top model and was released end October I believe. Then this one will be released around july/august.
[HTC Sensation] z33dev33l:
Just another piece of overhyped and unintuitive HTC crapware that's essentially an evo with a bigger processor and a front facing camera. No thanks, I'd rather spend my money on a phone that hasn't been re-released about 5 times now.
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
What the hell else do you want? If a dual core processor, higher resolution screen, and more RAM don't entice you then what are you looking for? Do you want the phone to give you a hand job on those cold, lonely nights?
[HTC Sensation] z33dev33l:
A bit of innovation would be nice... perhaps moving up to an AMOLED screen at least. Processor and crap dont mean anything, if you actually need more than 1 GHz then you're using your phone incorrectly and none of it really makes a difference without a hardware accelerated UI.
[HTC Sensation] pfmiller:
AMOLED screens have some advantages and some disadvantages, but in no way are they innovative. How many other phones are already out there with AMOLED screens?
[HTC Sensation] z33dev33l:
Those were seperate points. It is not my job to innovate for HTC though I'm sure many of the concept creators here would love to do it. It's just annoying to see them release HD2/Evo clone after clone. HTC at one point were the leaders in innovation now they're just lame.
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
A clone would imply that it's the same phone. The Pyramid is far from the same phone. The ONLY similarity is the fact that it has a 4.3'' screen. Pretty much everything else is different. And how is a HIGHER RESOLUTION screen not "innovative" while adding a SAMOLED (which is already on the market) screen is?
[HTC Sensation] z33dev33l:
Who said a SAMOLED screen was innovative? As I stated those were separate points. These phones are all similar in body and chassis with minor improvements on each that dont make much of a difference.
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
Oh yeah, HTC's first dual-core phone is just a "minor improvement" over the EVO's first generation Snapdragon. Like I said, the only similarity is the 4.3'' screen SIZE (not even the same resolution). Totally different hardware, and the Pyramid is looking to be the top phone on the market.
[HTC Sensation] z33dev33l:
Eh, the dual cores aren't that big a difference. Still the same old laggy android UI. It's not about the hardware when it comes to things like that it's about how it's used and iphone and WP7 both do much more with less. Regardless I dislike the phone because like the last 2-3 years worth of devices it lacks any positive signs of innovation. It's sad that Motorola and Dell are the big innovators in the modern market considering they're both kind of jokes of the mobile world. I loved HTC til all of their stuff started looking the same.
[HTC Sensation] The Dogan:
There's not much to innovate. They make nice looking phones and most people in the UK know Android phones as being HTC. Without them the Android market in the UK would be pretty slim.

At the moment it's just an arms race. Dual core, 1GB RAM, bigger screens, NFC, etc. Everyone's trying to catch up with each other.

Once those are integrated into the majority of smart phone's it will be then up to manufacturers to innovate and lead the market.

HTC brought nice looking phones and a decent UI to the table, Samsung bought better tech specs, Motorola made a half decent Android phone with a slide out keyboard. They've all brought something to the table and they've all set the standard for at least one thing.

When every other person has a blackberry or iPhone people see the alternative and varying designs of HTC phones as a different alternative, something to stand out against the crowd. "Oh hey, whats that phone?" " Oh yeah, it's my new HTC." "Yeah, I've got one to but I got the Wildfire."

While they can use Android to help sell a phone it's not Android that sells it. It's a combination of things that HTC win at.
[HTC Sensation] z33dev33l:
Eh, I don't find android phones appealing but that's just me. Then again after the DVP no other phone looks quite as sexy ;) but in all seriousness I'm just not fond HTC's design as a whole, I do appreciate the fact that they are the most open of devices but really that's their only selling point to me.
[HTC Sensation] cheesekeeper:
Super AMOLED would be nice, and let's face it - I don't think anyone could seriously say that AMOLED screens don't look awesome. Going by specs and design the Galaxy S2 is a very enticing piece of hardware, but for me the main factor is HTC sense. After using Sense on both Windows Mobile and Android, I really don't know if I could give it up now. Initial benchmarks of the Pyramid are disappointing, but considering that this is 1st gen unreleased hardware, I'd doubt the current benchmarks really reflect the actual capabilities of the hardware. They still have a few months left to optimise drivers and builds before these things actually hit the market, and we really don't know what other features they have added to the phone yet - it's just far too early to speculate about innovation. The HD2 and the DesireHD have given me a great deal of faith in HTC's ability to turn out top-notch devices - so time will tell........
[HTC Sensation] manlisten:
An upcoming Sprint device codenamed "HTC Shooter" showed up at GLBenchmark sporting many similar specs to the leaked HTC Pyramid info. Supposedly will be revealed at CTIA next week. I hope that doesn't mean the leak from a few days ago was infact this Sprint device and not the Pyramid, which has been rumored to land on T-Mobile.

Or maybe they're releasing the same device on 2 carriers. Sure wouldn't be the first time. :)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/16/htc-shooter-appears-for-sprint-with-android-2-3-2-qhd-screen-an/
[HTC Sensation] tolis626:
Yeah...

Go compare a Desire HD,which isn't even the latest and greatest now,with every Android phone out there.It is the smoothest working phone I've ever set hands on.Imagine what the next will be! :)
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
I'm not sure why this "laggy UI" talk still persists. The only laggy Android phone I've owned was the HTC Hero. It must be Samsung and Moto's horrible skins causing all of the fuss. That or idiots loading all 7 of their homescreens up with every widget they can find.

Also, how can you call Moto "innovative" after they've essentially put out the same phone 3 times (Droid, Droid 2, Droid 2 Global, and soon the Droid 3)? Oh, and the Droid X? EVO rip-off. Droid Pro? Blackberry rip-off. Don't even begin to give me that trash about them being innovative.
[HTC Sensation] z33dev33l:
Android in itself is laggy, always has been and always will be due to the lack of a hardware accelerated UI. I didn't notice it until I stepped away from android to a higher quality OS and now upon going back its unbearable. As for the innovation of motorola I'm certainly not talking about the often terrible Droid line but the Droid Pro, flipside, flipout, defy, charm, and even the terrible backflip are more innovation than HTC has put forth in some time and HTCs last couple attempts at innovation were just terrible. The G2 would've been one of the best Android phones had it not been for the cheap hinge and th HTC surround was nothing if not a joke.
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
I was not aware that making a horrible, cheap gimmick phone was suddenly innovation. And just as I said before, the Droid Pro is a damn Blackberry with a touch screen. They didn't even change the keyboard.
[HTC Sensation] z33dev33l:
Do they have to really? Something has to be selling those terrible excuses for smartphones and the only benefits I see on them are the battery and the keyboard. Sure it's a blackberry keyboard on a touchscreen android device and in doing that they appealed more to a very picky market that's still stuck in 2007 with their blackberrys. Some of the "gimmicks" were actually very good ideas just poorly implemented, the little touch pad on the back of the backflip was awesome and the phone itself for it's time was pretty good but it looked so weird and wasnt very well-suited for most peoples hands so it was overlooked. The innovation, however, was there.
[HTC Sensation] bplewis24:
Me neither. It's the same outdated talking point that people have been using for years now.

Brandon
[HTC Sensation] z33dev33l:
Because with android it was an issue then and the issue has yet to be fully resolved.
[HTC Sensation] bplewis24:
Well, I guess I'm just lucky then. :)

Brandon
[HTC Sensation] tolis626:
Yeah...Well,the Hero was laggy,I have to admit that.The Desire was laggy under terrible load.The Desire HD isn't laggy even if you underclock it down to 245MHz.And I mean that. :)

Can't comment on others,that's what I have owned.

Also,I can't think something more innovative than HTC's first Touch series.The original Touch was the first phone with custom UI on WinMo.The Diamond pointed towards a new direction in smartphone design.The Touch HD was the spark that led to all the big screen devices we have today(this concept was taken even further with the HD2).Damn,HTC even had a tabletoid,the HTC Shift(Although it has a keyboard).

Chill out man.We got it,you don't like Android.Do the rest of us have to hate it like you?No. :)
[HTC Sensation] z33dev33l:
I simply stated HTC is no longer innovative. They certainly were at a point but now they are essentially releasing the HD2 with slightly improved specs over and over again.
[HTC Sensation] I Am Marino:
I hate to say it but this is fairly true.

The pattern is becoming straight forward.
[HTC Sensation] taker2:
I think you are right
[HTC Sensation] why_999:
Spot on... 2009 was HTC's year with the HD2. They simply didn't push the envelope hard enough in 2010 and allowed everyone to catch up and supersede them in 2011 (so far). Lets just hope they make another leap in technology this year just like they done with the HD2.
[HTC Sensation] ieilisuk:
Back on topic.. Pyramid In the flesh?
[HTC Sensation] Androidboy35961:
The phone is a beast, but design wise not so much.
[HTC Sensation] I Am Marino:
As I said, HTC has gotten bland in their designs.

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[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
No blander than anyone else ;) I like the design on my HTC devices :cool:
[HTC Sensation] Androidboy35961:
HTC always makes the best looking devices,but this one wasn't thought out on paper...lol
[HTC Sensation] I Am Marino:
I agree, but imo lately, they lost themselves.

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[HTC Sensation] TrueYears:
phone looks good on paper but using the old snapdragong design (cpus was not a good choice, also someone posted a link to some vs and the dualcore snapdragon did not perform good at all.
[HTC Sensation] Androidboy35961:
Some people like the design of this new device.
[HTC Sensation] pixelodin:
hi is this available in the uk or not?
[HTC Sensation] ieilisuk:
It hasn't been announced let alone where it will be coming to.. I certainly hope it is.
[HTC Sensation] bplewis24:
I like the design of the device, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in the lack of Google branding.

Brandon
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
Why? CyanogenMod is better than any pure vanilla Android phone.
[HTC Sensation] smittstarr:
Love it...

I just hope a version is released that will work on Rogers' network in Canada!

I need dual-core to convince me to retire my Nexus One. :)

PHONE - HTC Nexus One
ROM - CyanogenMod V.7.0.0-RC2
BUILD - GRI40
KERNL - 2.6.37.4-wildmonks-CM7
HBOOT - 0.35.0017
RADIO - 32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08
RECOV - ClockworkMod 2.5.1.4
[HTC Sensation] bplewis24:
While I haven't used CyanogenMod personally, I don't doubt this. Regardless, I believe there are tangible benefits to having the support of not only the hacking/modding community, but the manufacturer as well.

I won't get into all of the specific benefits, but suffice it to say that coming from the original Motorola Droid, it feels like a luxury now knowing that not only can I root and ROM to my heart's content, but that if I wanted to rely on the manufacturer for the most recent OTA update, I could as well.

Brandon
[HTC Sensation] Jellychristian:
what do you think about the HTC pyramid

HTC pyramid is nice its your choice once you have a look on it.
[HTC Sensation] MartyLK:
We think alike :) No wonder we are friends. My eyes have been on the Pyramid since reading about it. I also read it might be future proof but was limited to 14Mb/s speed. Hopefully, though, this will be ironed out to full 4G speeds. I also will get one when available.
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
This is the EVO 3D right? They will release it in Q4. Like they did with the EVO 4G, then in November released the DHD. (GSM Version of EVO 4G)
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Considering the lack of good indoor reception with T-Mobile, I'll take future proofing even if things are limited to 14Mb/s. Although I could always use faster if made available :D .

No, it's a different device, although in terms of spec there are similarities.
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
correct! They let samsung steal the crown for android but htc are going to reclaim the title back! I am not to fond of 3D however. I would like a HTC style galaxy s2.
[HTC Sensation] MartyLK:
I know what you mean. At 14Mb/s, that is still faster than AT&T's network and has been the staple speed of my HD2 for more than a year now. I would be more than content with only 14Mb/s. I would not, however, be able to cope with Edge. :D
[HTC Sensation] stefan.on.pc:
So anyone else disappointed that the Pyramid was not announced at CTIA? I guess it's not gonna be till Google I/O in May now...
[HTC Sensation] brilldoctor:
well with that dual core snapdragon all i can say is

POWERRRR!!! (For those of you who dont know its jeremy clarkson)
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
This could be a good thing. If it were released quickly the T-Mobile USA version might not be future-proofed for AT&T compatibility.
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
Unfortunately true. :(
[HTC Sensation] ieilisuk:
It's interesting to me that they announced the Evo 3D before the Pyramid as they are very similar in spec but the Evo obviously has a 3D screen.

What does the Pyramid have that would justify it being announced after the Evo besides looks, which are hit and miss judging by the comments here. Perhaps it'll come down to pricing?

Either way i'm glad HTC are addressing their history with small batteries as the Evo has one with 1730mAh capacity.
[HTC Sensation] memnoc:
I agree mate!;) but I think that my htc desire hd is the best phone ever..until know;)
[HTC Sensation] Kailkti:
If they step up the GPU and don't lock it down, maybe.

Fine device either way however.
[HTC Sensation] jpeishen:
this is the first android phone that i really want. The processor will be using A8 or A9?
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
News the Pyramid may be going by codename PG58XXX and in the process of getting WiFi and Bluetooth certifications.
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
3/30/2011: Exclusive: HTC Pyramid Photos
[HTC Sensation] synaesthetic:
Oh it's so pretty. That phone... do want!
[HTC Sensation] bplewis24:
Semi-relevant to the Pyramid (because it will probably have a SnapDragon MSM8x60 SoC), some GPU performance analysis of the Adreno 220 went up on Anandtech, albeit with a CPU clock of 1.5GHz: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...ormance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks
[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
This HTC Pyramid is going to be one bad boy device...can't wait!!
[HTC Sensation] lude219:
It doesn't scream "HIGH-END" to me at all. It looks plasticky and the round edges certainly didn't help. Is HTC done with high-end smartphones that LOOK and FEEL like high-end smartphones? How did they go from making a minimalistic, industrially-looking monster in the HD2 to this with some weird gray back cover? It's harder now to distinguish between their dumb, feature, mid-range, and high-end phones when the design is almost the same.
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
Just because it doesn't have sharp edges and solid colors like a certain Apple product doesn't mean looks cheap. I think it looks very slick and a lot like the Nexus One.
[HTC Sensation] ieilisuk:
+1

I think it's a nice looking device, I'm pretty torn between getting the Pyramid or an Evo 3D, The main thing tearing me being the looks, the Evo is pretty ugly but the Pyramid is nice and curvy with some differing aspects compared to all the other slate's out at the moment.

Personally i'm glad HTC are (slowly) moving away from the HD2 industrial look we've been seeing for years.
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
If the EVO 3D's 3D works anything like the 3DS's, you might want to try it out first to make sure it doesn't hurt your eyes.

Sent from my HTC Glacier
[HTC Sensation] tolis626:
Well,for me the Evo 3D is the device I'm looking for.I like the corners,the 3D,the red in its design,the new Sense(which will most probably come to the Pyramid too,but just sayin'),it is just what I'm lookin' for.

Comparing the Pyramid with my current Desire HD,I think that after the excitement of seeing something new and shiny,I prefer the DHD.I don't like curves in phones so much and I like the DHD's style.For me,moving away from the HD2 design isn't really a good thing. :)

Well,I think that the 3D effects are only for when you are viewing content that is specifically for 3D,like photos and videos shot with the camera.Plus it can be turned off from a switch next to the camera! ;)
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
yes i agree try out the 3ds. i did over the weekend - i hate it. it definetly makes my eyes uncomfortable after playing for 5 minutes andi felt dizzy. i hope this isnt a new trend with smartphone manufacturers.
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
I know you can turn it off, but I was just saying that since it's the main appeal of the phone you might want to try it first.
[HTC Sensation] vostdev:
I am fun of Android and HTC so Pyramid is something that I definitely want!
[HTC Sensation] The Dogan:
Bit gutted that it's only 750MB ish RAM.

So what has better benchmarks so far? Pyramid, Galaxy S2, LG 2x or EVO 3D?
[HTC Sensation] MaBlo:
Last time I checked the 2x scored highest. But its to early to say I think, as the other phones aren't released. Meaning they were likely tested with unfinished software.
[HTC Sensation] ieilisuk:
I first tried out a 3DS last year and have since bought one, i'm one of the lucky ones that have zero problems with regards to eye strain, dizziness or headaches! I know plenty of other people who do suffer looking at 3D though, I know a couple of people who can't see 3D at all!

I wouldn't buy the Evo 3D just based on the 3D capability though as it's a pretty gimmicky function, but its just another thing the phone is capable of should I wish to use it.

The way I see it is that old comparison of two cars pulling up at traffic lights, One day if I had a Pyramid I just know that someone will pull up next to me and pull out an Evo 3D and go "Oh yeah that phone is almost the same as this one, but mine has 3D." And it'll annoy me..

I've said before I wonder if the difference will come with pricing, the Evo 3D is going to be ridiculously expensive and if the Pyramid is a fair bit cheaper i'd rather have a Pyramid and save some cash than have a 3D screen.
[HTC Sensation] tolis626:
Guys,no one has mentioned anything about the graphics performance of the Pyramid/Evo 3D though.

Yeah,it may perform worse in benchmarks,but that is largely affected by its higher resolution.The Optimus 2X and Galaxy S2 might perform better(Not much better though) but their screens are 800x480=384000 pixels,while the Pyramid/Evo 3D has a resolution of 960x540=518400 pixels.That is 35% more pixels.To explain,benchmark side by side the X10 mini and the original Desire.They share the same Adreno 200 GPU.On nenamark,one of the most demanding graphics benchmarks IMO,the X10 mini with its 320x240 screen scores more than 40 frames per second,while the Desire with 800x480 scores only 16 frames per second.The pixel number margin may be bigger here,but you get the point.Any direct comparison with numbers therefore is highly inaccurate and doesn't proove that the Adreno 220 in Qualcomm's chip is inferion to others. :)
[HTC Sensation] TheBiles:
Very good point! I'm not a benchmark preacher, but that is a solid argument for the better displays.
[HTC Sensation] ieilisuk:
Anandtech posted some good benchmarks on the Snapdragon thats winging its way into the Pyramid and Evo 3D (albeit at a slower clock speed):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/1

It's certainly no slouch!
[HTC Sensation] memnoc:
Amazing guys!! I'm gonna buy this mobile!;-)
[HTC Sensation] Trekest:
Do mind though that the MDP's screen is WVGA (480x800) compared to the qHD (540x960) in the Evo and Pyramid, and that it was constantly plugged into a special usb-power adapter so the battery would not run out.

I still want the Pyramid though!
[HTC Sensation] tolis626:
Plus the MDP is only for testing purposes and doesn't prove anything about the final products performance,as drivers will be finished,optimised and...well,things will go out of beta! :D