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[Atrix 4G General] amnigo:
If you ask me, the laptop dock is the Atrix equivalent to the iPhone's Facetime. It's a "better than you" gimmick that will lose most, if not all, appeal after 3 uses.

Never considered anything but the phone, and nothing's changed for me.
[Atrix 4G General] cerps:
From my understanding the multimedia dock allows you to plug into your TV and use the webtop function. Does this mean that using the MM Dock dock results in the tethering requirement as well? If yes, I think I'll just have to stay off contract with unlocked devices. If no, then I might get the MM dock and refuse to use my home wifi and suck every last bit of data I can through AT&T.

Could I just use an HDMI and a bluetooth keyboard of my own and skip the MM dock to connect to my TV?
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
**** I your making such a valid point its disgusting. Ill take the phone if unlocked bootlaoder, then it will be all good. minus Motoblur. FML
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
I think we can hack the tethering if its unlocked. I tether all the time with my TP2 and always have been since the beginning of time. Before mankind
[Atrix 4G General] Xevilious:
Indeed. I always thought it was an ugly looking device but was willing to overlook that because of its unique functionality. The Bionic is sexier.

But then, I don't think Motorola has ever topped the design of the original Droid.
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
I don't know about webtop with the MM dock, but if you're right, then we win. If the MM has webtop and doesn't require tethering, then AT&T has no way to bill off of the browser (mobile vs full FF). If that's the case, the laptop dock is expensive full price...but we could avoid tethering charges.

As to your last question, yes. There currently isn't a way to run webtop that way, but perhaps a hack could do it. Sadly, most support just went out the window.

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[Atrix 4G General] thetechman123:
All u people who are missing out on the Atrix just because ur crying tht it went to AT&T are the STUPIDEST people I have EVER SEEN!
[Atrix 4G General] samven582:
I am still getting the Atrix,just without the laptop dock :(. Hopefully in a few months the laptop dock will be $250.
[Atrix 4G General] glitterbug:
Still have to pay the $20 monthly tether fee :mad:
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
Looking in to that. Mm dock launches webtop... I'm thinking tethering is a gimmick, and not required. Will post a follow up when I get details.

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[Atrix 4G General] DarkDvr:
Quoted for emphasis.

Excellent point.
[Atrix 4G General] DarkDvr:
We can safely say that bootloader will be locked harder than on Droid X, and will include functionality to immediately notify AT&T of the fact that you've docked, and switch your plan to DataPro + tether.

Another option is that the dock will only be sold by AT&T, and your plan will be switched upon purchasing the dock immediately.

Maybe in several months or so after Atrix is out there will be a solution to hack tethering and bypass AT&T detection... but do you really want to rely on that when it's such an expensive investment?
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
Let me float my thoughts on out there. Just my thoughts, k? So chime in, we can discuss.

AT&T anticipates more data being used, so they require tethering for the bundled purchase savings. Can you still buy it outright? Yes. Will it force tethering? Hear me out...

So the MM dock launches webtop. From what we know now, tethering isn't required for that. Aside from being less portable, what's the difference? Nothing.

AT&T requires tethering to make a few bucks. They can't bill by browser, or the MM dock would require tethering. Add to that the fact that many people are on non-smartphone data plans with an N1, unlocked whatever. If AT&T could bill by browser, this wouldn't be the case.

Gimmick for money, man. People want the cost-savings, so they increase their plan to save money up front. AT&T can't enforce it, but they sell it like they can.

That's my theory, at least. They want us off unlimited, and they want more money. Gimmick, not actual ability to enforce.

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[Atrix 4G General] ECdOc:
Nevermind the heading "Laptop Dock", to me it appears that the simple use of the full firefox browser (regardless of which dock you use) will require the tethering plan. That is, "if" you are using it over AT&T mobile broadband. WIFI, that is another question altogether.

In any case I do not want to let go of my unlimited plan and 4GB (w/ tethering) is not gonna be enough for the people who do end up using the laptop dock. Just on my Touch Pro alone I hit those kinds of numbers if I use any SIRIUS streaming online.
[Atrix 4G General] DarkDvr:
I think at this point everyone would agree that 4GB a month is a total JOKE.

With HD videos, Pandora, music downloads, flash-rich websites.. I will rip through 4GB in 3 days.

Obviously limit is created with overages in mind - they want your $$ bad.
[Atrix 4G General] siturbo:
tethering is not required only if you go with the bundle and upgrade, if you buy it full price you do not have to get the tethering option
[Atrix 4G General] ECdOc:
I guess you didnt read my previous post...

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ailable-for-preorder-on-feb-13-115191644.html
[Atrix 4G General] DarkDvr:
If you have Atrix4G and use a dock, you WILL pay $25/mo extra for tethering. That's AT&T's rule.

Unless there will be a hack at some point, but that's irrelevant right now.
[Atrix 4G General] shadowscreation:
i agree with everything they are sayin heres the trick tho if you use FIREFOX browser maybe there will come a hack where you can get a diffrent browser thats not firefox lol then how would they know? i have unlimited data plan and was so stoked to get the atrix with its fanciness and the awsomely cool bio metric fingerprint scanner (because i recently had my cappy stolen)and now im pissed because every thing is REQUIRED to get this phone so screw them and there ***** ass att riquired plans and i checked my data uses i go threw 30 gigs of data a month on atts unlimited plan imagine if it was limited to 4gigs i could buy a car for the amount that i would go over so ya im creating a irc channel attatrixsucks so come and join me lol cause im bored and snowed in with nothing better to do than talk crap about att

http://webchat.freenode.net/

and shutup i like run-on sentences and gramamtical errors thats what makes it fun
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
Quote the first part of that same line, where it says, "3 - Laptop dock". That means that comment is specific to the laptop dock, and not necessarily the mm dock.

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[Atrix 4G General] aphexacid:
i currently have an Iphone 4. I've had every damn iphone since numero uno. And frankly im sick of the damn thing.

This was going to be my savior. I dont give a crap about the dock, but i DO need to be able to use it as a hotspot for free like i do with my JB'd iphone 4. Im grandfathered into unlimited data, and wont change it for anything.

Will it be possible you think? Or is this dependent on being able to root it? Are there apps that let you turn it into a free hotspot like "MYWI" for iphone?
[Atrix 4G General] LockeCPM4:
AT&T does NOT require tethering for the Atrix 4G. You can use the phone AND the docks with the regular $15 or $25 data plans. The tethering plan is only required to get the $100 mail in rebate when you buy the phone and the dock together. I just did my training on the atrix this morning.

I am, however, very angry about the price of the laptop dock. $500 stand alone is bogus...

I will still get the phone, as $199 is an average price for a device with killer specs but I will pass on the laptop dock. I may get the HD dock for $99 though.
[Atrix 4G General] Noz85:
Wow screw that sh!t. I'm just stick with the inspire aka desire hd.
[Atrix 4G General] Benz360:
Everyone keeps talking about the 1gig of ram, does the phone even use all of it outside of the laptop dock?
[Atrix 4G General] Spectre51:
Do you work for AT&T? I've been told by reps at AT&T that the laptop dock requires the tethering plan and if you plug your phone into the dock it will automatically change your plan.

By what you're saying is if we pay full price for the dock we don't have to change our plan to the tethering plan?

Sent from my Dell Streak
[Atrix 4G General] LockeCPM4:
Yes I am a store manager for AT&T. The only thing posted on our internal website regarding tethering was that in order for the customer to be eligible for the $100 mail in rebate when purchasing the laptop dock/phone bundle they must subscribe to a tethering plan.

That being said, if that statement is wrong it wouldn't be the first time... For example our device page listso that the windows phone 7 devices support USB tethering which is not the case.
[Atrix 4G General] Recon Freak:
Firefox browser

requires tethering. Footnote 3 in press release. But I wonder if you would have full access to the standard phone browser with the laptop dock to avoid tethering?
[Atrix 4G General] cmeyer3:
My plan,

1)I'm getting just the phone.

2)Wait for our awsome devs to figure out tethering work around and crack the bootloader,I have faith they will do it

3) wait,more than likely a short time, for 3rd party companies to make docks and buy those at a fraction of the price AT&T is charging
[Atrix 4G General] irishtexmex:
This is what I have heard as well. Let's hope that Recon Freak is right. :)
[Atrix 4G General] JKChad:
Man, I see a lot of hatin on the laptop dock. I had the opprotunity to use the atrix and test out the dock at CES and I was super happy with them both. There's plenty of times were i wish I could use a real laptop keyboard to play games or respond to multiple emails. I'm a VZW guy personally, but love all things android. I would definitely not be happy with the required tethering package if I were considering att, which will never happen. Hopefully their will be some type of clarification on the matter, or atleast make it optional. Otherwise ATT is gonna ruin a fantastic phone.
[Atrix 4G General] calin75:
Just pre-ordered an HTC Inspire 4g.
[Atrix 4G General] King Shady:
Right now I'm grandfathered into the unlimited data plan that AT&T used to have. If I were to get the atrix would to get a different data plan? Thanks
[Atrix 4G General] Decer:
So many mixed messages :(

Whoever has the facebook page for At&t answered that and said it would require tethering to use the laptop dock.
[Atrix 4G General] Recon Freak:
No hatin'

I think most everyone love the phone and docks. the hate come in the fact that 90% of those will not use the laptop dock due to it's pricing!

The use of Firefox browser with the laptop dock WILL require tethering package http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?p...55&mapcode=wireless-networks-general|consumer per footnote #3. Now perhaps the store manager can enlighten us on how to use the laptop dock for data without using Firefox?
[Atrix 4G General] smeadow:
Its great phone, but at&t will stick it to your wallet for it.
[Atrix 4G General] legend221:
The Inspire HSPA+ is a no brainer now..

And ahem, something everyone needs to use if youre on AT&T no rooting necessary ;)

http://www.androidcentral.com/sideload-android-apps-all-you-want-sideload-wonder-machine
[Atrix 4G General] cenkaetaya:
why would you get the inspire 4g for any reason other then the 4g?

the captivate is still almost the same phone.

+ the htc phone has a tiny battery 1200mah
[Atrix 4G General] legend221:
Root is going to happen FOR SURE.

Another reason is that the DesireHD roms should and will likely be compatible with the Inspire 4G.

And for the record none of these Q1 phones are true 4G.

That's why I said Inspire HSPA+
[Atrix 4G General] PersonOfKnownOrigin:
Only requires tethering if you use AT&T mobile broadband. Wifi is free.
[Atrix 4G General] WakeArray:
Perhaps in the future...

Despite the sleezy business practices both from Motorola and At&t, I will probably still get this phone. Mainly due to the fact that I came up with this very idea two years ago. The specs have been lowered from my original dream, but compramises would have to be made if it was going to make it to market before the world ended. ;)

In all seriousness this is surprisingly closer to my idea then I expected to see for at least another two - five years. Therfore I feel compelled to obtain it. However I did very recently buy a MyTouch 4G from Tmo and see no reason to be in a rush to give it up so soon. Should the price come down, the mandatory contract be amended, and the bootloader unlocked in a relatively painless fashion(for the end user) then I will need to get this phone, and both docks. Until then, however, I believe I have the self control to wait a little bit longer.
[Atrix 4G General] Milkshakes00:
That definitely doesn't state that we have to have tethering. It sounds like the Atrix won't come equipped with the wifi tethering..

It specifically says in the second foot note that it requires a data plan of at least $15, that's all.
[Atrix 4G General] mcsinny99:
3. Laptop Dock - Firefox browser use with AT&T Mobile Broadband requires Tethering Plan.

4. Mobile Hotspots and Tethered devices require at a minimum a DataPro Tethering Plan. Devices connected to a Mobile Hotspot or tethered to the ATRIX 4G use data from your DataPro Tethering Plan. Tethering Plans are not unlimited and significant charges may be incurred if the included data allowance is exceeded. Performance may vary depending on the number of devices connected and other factors.
[Atrix 4G General] Spectre51:
If you get the dock you will have to have the datapro +tethering even if you plan to only use it on wifi.

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[Atrix 4G General] voteccow:
Unlimited Plan

I wonder how they'll handle people who would like to keep their unlimited plans. Anyone hear anything?
[Atrix 4G General] krabman:
Could care less about the docks, I have several laptops and never had an interest. I would later on when they will presumably have laptop capabilities but not now. In otherwords I like the concept but the dock will in no way replace a laptop for me now and if I'm going to lug a device around it needs to be able to do what I need it to do. This isnt even close. The phone on the other hand still appears like it could be a decent device assuming it gets root and rom. I will wait for that to happen before I buy in. If it doesnt I wont. I will accept no device that does not have full support here along with root access and the ability to install custom roms. Anything less is insta deal breaker.
[Atrix 4G General] svengalis:
Well the phone is still a good deal. It's the laptop dock that's too pricey.
[Atrix 4G General] smsparks:
I'm getting this phone no matter what...

As dirty as it makes me feel to take it in the rear from AT$T on the pricing of the accessories for this phone, I will be getting it and probably everything that goes along with it. Even if that means changing my data plan, adding tethering, and paying way to much for the accessories. I just want this phone and I want to see how well the whole package of accessories work out in day to day use. So even though I'm going to spend a butt load to do it, put my vote down as someone who is going to buy this phone no matter what...:)
[Atrix 4G General] Milkshakes00:
I read that as:

If you buy the dock in store, you "need" tethering.

If you get it another way, we can't stop you.
[Atrix 4G General] Milkshakes00:
You need a data plan that's at least $15. Since the old plan costs $10, expect to be upgraded plan wise.

Also, expect all of the future phones to be like that.
[Atrix 4G General] ram8704:
What?

You make no sense
[Atrix 4G General] WakeArray:
It says with use of Firefox you have to get the tethering, what if we used Chrome? :P (or we could just change the useragent xD)
[Atrix 4G General] Squeak22:
Chrome won't work in that environment without a lot of work.

Regardless, you only need tethering if you buy it all together. If you bought it all separately, you probably don't need to get tethering. Of course, we'll have to wait till it's actually out to find out for sure.
[Atrix 4G General] Milkshakes00:
If the above post makes no sense, you have little to no reading comprehension. =/
[Atrix 4G General] ram8704:
Didn't know the old unlimited data plans costs 10 dollars, and that the reason the person would have to change to the new plan is because the plan has to cost 15. I remember the plan costing 30 bucks. I could be wrong.
[Atrix 4G General] voteccow:
I have the unlimited smartphone plan, $30 a month. I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post.

I know some people have the $10 a month unlimited plan on their dumb phones and I know you definitely can't move over that plan.
[Atrix 4G General] Milkshakes00:
The original unlimited data was bundled with the old unlimited text, which made it appear to be $30. It wasn't, though.
[Atrix 4G General] MarcoPolo78:
Question

So if you wanna buy the phone by it's self , you still have to get the tethering plan :confused:
[Atrix 4G General] Rastor:
You don't necessarily have to get the tethering plan. You do have to get a smartphone data plan if you don't already have one.

If you want to use the Webtop app/Desktop Firefox browser on the ATT mobile network, you have to get the tethering plan. If you want a discount on the phone/dock bundle, you have to get the tethering plan.
[Atrix 4G General] Benz360:
If I can get some kind of a incentive for switching carriers I'll buy the whole package deal.
[Atrix 4G General] AJerman:
Was planning on paying them full price for an unsubsidized Atrix (being that I got my Captivate last summer), but with the price and requirement for tethering, I won't be buying it anymore. That and it sounds like it's going to be difficult to root. I'm more interested in the new Galaxy S 2s now. I like my Super AMOLED screen.
[Atrix 4G General] Squeak22:
Its not going to be hard to root. The droid x and droid 2 were rooted before they were even out.
[Atrix 4G General] zBlood:
Motorola charging those ridiculous prices has no effect for me. I'm pretty sure some Chinese company will copy the accessories exactly and sell the for 1/3 of the price.
[Atrix 4G General] telder:
Let's hope so
[Atrix 4G General] seanfinn:
Yeah I'm getting an inspire
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
It was $200. And I was about to buy two before the price dropped, just needed another month or two to save up the cash. But I bought 2 @ $400 a pop, because there was nothing else close.
[Atrix 4G General] jerseykirby:
If the price drops, I would get it, if not, I shall get the Inspire. At&t works very well where I live so I have no problems staying with them.
[Atrix 4G General] mrlinux11:
Well I was all fired up to pinch my nose and transfer over to AT&T, but that was based on the 150 dollar price for the laptop dock($200 4 phone is still ok)

But 500 dollars is way out in left field, I would have went to $200 for the dock.

And I need to change carriers soon, I am getting sick of the poor TMobile performance in Downtown Detroit.
[Atrix 4G General] ram8704:
Good because I have an unlimited PDA data plan. So I should be in the clear. *fingers crossed.*
[Atrix 4G General] 321Q:
So bummed

I was planning to switch to AT&T to get this phone and laptop dock, now I'm looking for something else. I'm with Sprint and was hoping the Feb. 7 announcement would be exciting enough to lure me away from the Atrix. Sad that AT&T did a better job of keeping me with my carrier than Sprint could.
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
So, what other phone with a laptop dock are you going to get? Is there one out there at a better price point that I haven't heard of? Didn't think so. There's a price to pay for being an early adopter. This is the first of its kind, ever. Give it a couple months, the price will come down.

Or, if you have to have the newest tech at launch, then pay the price. Nobody is twisting your arm.
[Atrix 4G General] DumIam:
Very well said. I WAS going to get the Atrix when it arrived, but now I'm just going to wait and see how the pricing changes over the next few months. And/or see what else may be coming out later in the year.
[Defy General] Jygar:
Hi Guys,

Wanted to clarify how to do this before I make a mistake (not finding the Defy as easy as the Magic).

1. Install Z4Root and Permanent root (done this so far)

2. Install Clockwork Recovery (Defy Mod)

This is where I get stuck, after this what do I need to do?

3. Factory Reset?

4. Wipe Cache?

5. Nandroid Backup from Clockwork?

Cheers
[Defy General] bobdigby:
Depends on the ROM you are upgrading to, if you usually you require a program called RSD lite check out the posts by higgsy he always does pretty easy to follow guides that I use and all have gone well.
[Defy General] gridrun:
1) Get it rooted then it reboots

2) Install Clockwork Recovery from Tenfar

Open Clockwork Recovery, click Install Recovery System, a pop-up should appear, allow it and wait till it is installed, now you can use Recovery Boot (be sure you have USB debugging OFF (settings-application-development), it reboots into recovery

3,4) once in Clockwork recovery, you can make back up of your system, before you restore nandroid backup it is recommended to wipe your data and cache, because it can get messed up with data and cache from the new nandroid backup

5) restore accordingly to guide for each custom ROM (Backup & Restore-Restore-here you chose your nandroid back up), to see your nandroid backup you must first copy it to SD card (sdcard/goapkrev/backup/)

use your volume rocker to move around and your power button to confirm things

hope it helped a bit
[General Questions and Answers] Timicore:
Lately I've been having problems when people call me.

Basically what happens is I hear the ringtone, then it force closes.

Any Ideas what I could do? :confused:

Specs: SGS I9000 rooted with DarkysROM v9.1 w/ Lagfix and Clockwork Recovery.
[Captivate General] saintsmmx:
Unlocked TMOUS Vibrant vs AT&T Captivate and why?

That is the question of the day as I am currently debating wether to get one over the other. I know the two devices are nearly identical in guts but factors to consider include form factor (which is better in hand), development support (which phone has more custom ROM support) and others which you might deem helpful to add into the discussion.

I am currently leaning towards the Vibrant for some reason because I have heard pretty favorable comments on it. Oh and it might be helpful to know that I am in the AT&T network and would only consider to get an Vibrant if it were unlocked.

Sent from the Heavens

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[Captivate General] lateralus1082:
If you get the Vibrant, you better enjoy Edge speeds since that's all you'll be getting when you're not on WIFI
[Captivate General] BioShadow:
No, Vibrant supports AT&T's 3g. I'd definetly go with the Vibrant. I have one and its nearly unbrickable.
[Captivate General] saintsmmx:
Thanks for the feedback from both of you, I appreciate it! So software development is much better on the Vibrant in terms of ROMs and such? So definitely leaning towards the Vibrant right now, though I somewhat will miss the better build of the captivate :/

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[Captivate General] bames:
captivate

1. the vibrant only supports att 3g on the 1900 band. There are many areas where the 1900 band is not good on att network particularly indoors. I don't have any issues with 1900 band outside in my area but there are several places where i lose service inside of buildings trying to use 1900 band.

2. Pick up and physically handle both phone....the vibrant feels incredibly cheap compared to the captivate. The vibrant feels cheap much like the samsung focus. The first thing i noticed about the captivate was it felt incredibly solid. It isn't heavy but given its thinness you will surprised by its heft and solid feel.