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[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] irishrally:
If you are not going to root and tinker with the phone then I wouldn't bother waiting for dual core phones (if you want vanilla Android and timely updates to the latest software). They will all be released (at least the ones coming out in the next 6 months) with Froyo 2.2 and will come with some sort of service provider bloat.

If you are going to root and will install custom ROMs then you could wait for dual core, but make sure the phone you get will not have a hard locked boot loader like some of the motorola phones.

Also, dual core phones most likely won't be be optimized for Android until Honeycomb comes out, although motorola did claim they are trying to tweak 2.2 a little for dual cores.

I have no intention of getting rid of my NS for a dual core in the near future. I absolutely love the NS and will probably not upgrade until the end of next year when the next Nexus comes out that should have a dual core processor, hopefully the Orion or next gen dual core Qualcom processors.

There are many threads about this sort of topic around already.

EDIT: The screen is amazing on the NS, it would be hard for me to consider a phone with a non-SAMLOED screen until something comparable comes out. Some of the newer phones coming out seem to have improved screens, like the Motorola Bionic etc, but only time will tell if they live up to the SAMOLED or SAMOLED Plus.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
either way, you can still buy the SNS

then sell it when the Dual Core comes out ;)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wilee1928:
Yeah, I've seen the display on the Galaxy S and is mind blowing. That's another reason for me to get the Nexus S, is just that I'm afraid of buying it and become "obsolete" in a couple of months.

I'm thinking to wait for the next Galaxy S, but also I don't want to be abandoned by Samsung without next OS updates.

That's a big dilemma for me...
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
EVERY phone you buy will be obsolete in a couple of months, except for iPhones, if by obsolete you mean there will be a faster/better phone on the market in a couple of months.

The Nexus S has the best hardware (screen, cpu, gpu, nand memory) on the market that's available right now. It also has the latest and most advanced version of the Android OS...in fact no other phone has Android 2.3.x (aka Gingerbread) officially yet.

The Nexus S will get its software updates directly from Google, not from Samsung, and it will most likely be the first to get it before any device, just the same way the Nexus One was the first to get Froyo months before any other device. This is now Google's annointed phone for the time being. It's their baby, not Samsung's. (oops, I think I mis-read you, you're afraid a new Samsung version of the phone will be at Samsung's mercy...it most likely will be).
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
exactly, SNS is pretty much the only phone that will be safe, and has a guaranteed OS upgrades

all other manufacturer models are kind of left to fend for themself, if they are lucky, they will get the OS ported over, if not they will be stuck forever on 2.1 (motorola, acer, dell, uwei phones) or 2.2 (some samsung) depending on the manufacturer
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zephiK:
if you're going to wait for a dual core.. wait for a Nexus powered by a dual core
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wilee1928:
But how long will it take for Google to release a new phone? If the SNS is barely 1 month old, I don't think it will be any time soon.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SubyWill:
there's a new Nexus S coming out soon, just wait for that.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sonnysekhon:
That might just be a rumor.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deeren:
This is just a confusion going on. It is just the european version of the nexus s.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Georgevtr:
Thats correct.The european nexus s is coming.....(always late:mad:)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MacGuy2006:
Other than possibly some games which may take advantage of the added horsepower, I really don't see the current phone OSs needing dual-core, or being able to utilize it. And even for games, look at how much iOS can squeeze out of single-core chips. How much detail and rendering power do you really need for a 4" screen?

It's really mostly marketing for now, and for the next year, possibly two.

Plus, I guarantee you, within a month of the dual-core comes to market, there will be rumors about the quad-cores which will surely blow them away in just a few short months :)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Anderdroid:
Don't get an early adopter dual core. Unless you don't care about vanilla android or updates.

The Nexus S will not be obsolete until the next Nexus comes out, which will probably be at the end of 2011 or beginning of 2012. Even then, it probably still won't be obsolete. The Hummingbird is very powerful. The Nexus S is very smooth.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wilee1928:
Thanks to everyone for your opinion, specially to posts #13 and #14.

I have decided to go and get it now, well, I just need to get rid of this iPhone I have now. =P
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zardos66:
Any reason to not get a Nexus S right now?

I'm looking for a stock android experience. I will be buying the phone on contract. I really don't care about the tegra 2 devices.

I'm not a big fan of Samsung. But it seems that wont be an issue since all the updates come from Google.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gogol:
No.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ritcereal:
I'm happy with the Nexus S and would buy it again if I had a chance to do it all over again. The only issue that I personally feel is valid is the lack of an SD card slot. I personally don't mind since I never really used it, others however keep quite an arsenal of files. So how you use the phone should dictate if that matters to you or not.

I've had to return my phone once but it was rather simple to just return it to Best Buy and exchange it out. The N1 has its flaws and so does the NS as far as meeting expectations. If you want a phone that is pure Google, and you are tickled by the fact of having AOSP support for your device, and enjoy reasonable and timely updates from Google then I'd have to say this is the phone you want.

The N1 is a great phone to this day, but its got some pretty annoying flaws such as multi-touch and the buttons on the N1 drove me crazy (unresponsive at times). The NS screen in my opinion is quite better than the N1 as well.

IMO you'll enjoy the phone.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
Get the nexus s. Great f***ing phone

Sent from 1.5GHz CM7	Nexus S.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] falconeight:
Its up to you
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zardos66:
I got over the lack of micro SD. I have a 16g. So I can just transfer it all to the phone.

I've litterly had almost all the android phones on sprint and i cant stand sense/touchwiz.

I think I'm just going to do it. I love stock android so much. I was still locked into sprint when the N1 came out.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ritcereal:
Well in order to get away from third party UI's then you'll need to get a Nexus...which means its up to you on what you value the most. There are a number of posts explaining why people choose for and against the Nexus S. Look farther back in the threads in the General sub-forum to find a few if your interested.

Back to the original question, is there a reason _NOT_ to buy the Nexus S? I don't think so!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
I feel the same way, and I did buy it again...for my wife. She loves it as much as I do. Its an amazing phone and the thing to remember with modern "superphones" is that they will all have "quirks". Its just a fact. You have to weigh those quirks vs the benefits of that phone and for me the Nexus S' issues offer no contest to what it offers.

I came from Sprint about a week ago to get the Nexus S and I've owned an Epic 4G, an Evo 4G, and I got my wife an Evo Shift 4G. None of them come close to the Nexus S. Not to mention we don't have 4G coverage in our area but we do have some areas of HSPA near us and even without them I was getting a maximum of 1.5mbps on Sprint's EVDO (it was usually closer to 700kbps) but now I get around 3mbps average. I love the phone and tmobile.

The one major issue I've had was with Best Buy and not the phone or Tmo: the saleswoman who set up our account somehow post-dated the start date for my wife's data. She doesn't like to have to have me solve her computer problems so she went 3 days trying to get it working by playing with settings until I finally found out about it and when we went in to tmobile (we were right by a store) they fixed it immediately.

I repeat what I said before, get the Nexus S. Its an amazing phone.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Androyed:
You could wait for the price to drop, but there are some more important reasons.

- There is probably a white Nexus S coming. If you like white, you could wait for it.

- In February/March the i9023 Nexus S will be released, with a Super Clear LCD display. If you like Super Clear LCD over Super AMOLED, you could wait for it.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slowz3r:
we dont even know if the i9023 is coming to the US
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
Neither of those have been confirmed for America which is where he lives (given he is on Sprint).
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zardos66:
Ugh. None of the best buys in my area have T-Mobile within 100 miles. I hate online phone ordering but oh well. This should be worth it.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
The new T-mobile Galaxy S 4G is coming Feb/Mar 2011 with HSPDA+ (21 Mbps) & FFC (front facing camera)

http://www.gsmarena.com/notblurry_photos_of_samsung_galaxy_s_4g_for_tmobile_appear-news-2262.php
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Androyed:
True. But there is shipping.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
Thats a good point but he mentioned wanting AOSP and not wanting to deal with Samsung for updates lol
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
True, but we don't even know what bands it will function on and whether or not those are supported by our carriers in America.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
if that is the case

it just boils down to just these 2: Nexus1 & NexusS

you wont find any other phone that will have current updates without manufacture or telco intervention and/or approval
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Androyed:
The US Nexus S works fine here in Europe, so I guess vice versa would be the same. Anyway, I'm sure that you, as an American, are able to buy a i9023 Nexus S. Maybe by shipping, and maybe it comes out in the US too.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
Does the G2 get updates from Tmo/HTC? Its pretty much AOSP with a little bloatware from my understanding and as its the successor to original Pure Android phone (the G1) it might make sense that it got updates a little faster than say the MT4G.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seriouslyjeff:
I've had a few android phones and the Nexus One and now Nexus S have been by far my favorites. The screen on this thing is AMAZING! It's not just the Super AMOLED but it's the curve too. it feels so nice when scrolling through screens. That coupled with the fact that it is STILL the only phone with gingerbread it's already ahead of the curve. It is super fast with my quadrants surpassing 3K consistently and rarely a force close compared to other phones I've had. Love this thing just wish it had notifications..... I miss my multi color trackball
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lord_Buckington:
See, I've been incredibly indecisive about buying an NS. The N1 was my first and only Android phone, and I love the clean, stock experience, but in all honesty I've never used any OEM modified versions.

I guess the only thing that's held me back is MWC coming soon and the fact that there's a big change in hardware power in the coming months, with all the dual core hardware coming out. But in all honesty, given that they take ages to update their software, they won't be able to fully exploit multiple cores until, if ever, they get Honeycomb.

I'm still unsure about it, are upgraders from the N1 happy with their decision?

Sent from my Nexus One
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
according to the other topic

there is no Dual core support until AOS 3.0, and when 3.0 does come out it's aimed only at tablets, not phones

so all the current phones coming out with Dual Core running 2.2 or 2.3 are kinda wasted, until a port of the 3.0 can be retro-ported
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] t3rabyte:
Heck, yeah. I love my NS. I went back to the N1 for a day and couldn't handle it. I lovedmy Nexus One but the NS has such a nicer screen, better multitouch, larger screen, plus it just feel lighter and slicker even though it's not that much lighter.

I thought I'd miss the lack of notifications but I don't. I do miss the noise cancellation mic from my N1 but the calls on the NS are really decent. No trouble.

Also, I love where the power button is on the NS. It's much more natural than having to reach to the top of the phone.

The only thing I really miss? My N1 desktop dock!

The NS is a great phone. Go for it.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] irishrally:
Pure speculation here but I think the next Nexus phone will be the first Android phone with a dual core processor that runs a version of Android that can fully utilize said cores. I really don't think anything coming out before the end of the summer will be much better than the NS. None of the confirmed new duel core phones coming out in the next six months are coming with 2.3 so I certainly don't see any phone other than the NS have 3.0 this year.

The upgrade from N1 to NS was well worth for me.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meetagrawal:
Unless you're just that obsessed with technolgy and want to brag to your other tech loving friends, stop worrying about the new power the next phone will have next month. Android apps/games are not even coming close to testing what the current models can do, so why are you concerned about more power?

I still don't know why I can play better games on my iPhone 3g, a device almost 3 years old, than what I have available to play on my Nexus S. I still don't know why apps which are on both platforms are still of higher quality on iOS devices. Not really understanding what's the point of this power anyway?

My philosophy is buy what you need, and when you need it. If you can afford to wait, then wait.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
What qualifications are you using for the term "higher quality?" Because I have a gen4 iTouch so I have a few overlapping games, and they are no where near as nice on my brand new retina display. Nor are they as nice on my friend's 3GS. So unless you have a benchmark to prove your point, I'm not sure I believe you. Also, did you ever consider, oh I don't know, the fact that the platform launched almost a full two years before Android became available? And as a result that its available developer base is much larger? And that Android is still playing catch-up (but is starting to take significant ground) might be a reason why things are a little behind? Android has been a viable OS since Oct 08 and iPhone OS (aka iOS nowadays) since Jan 07. That's a huge gap especially considering the market was pretty much open when apple stepped in the game and when google stepped in it was saturated with iOS.

One last thing, there is not a single phone on the market with the graphics performance matching the Hummingbird processor. Period. So coming in and saying its not as good as your POS iPhone 3G is a little hard to back up.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meetagrawal:
First, I'm not talking about the display. I'm talking about overall quality and user experience. Compare apps like Facebook and Twitter, common apps that have an enormous user base. Can you honestly say you like the Android versions of those apps better than the iOS version?

Second, the App store did not launch till mid 08, so that gap between the two is really not as big as you think it is. That said, Android has more market share than iOS does, so it's not like developers would be wasting their time trying to get revenue from a smaller user base.

Ok, great the Hummingbird has great graphics performance. How many games are out there taking advantage of that and really showing what it's capable of?

My entire point is not really about the apps. Unless you want your Gmail to open up faster, the reason you want your phone to have more power is to run better apps. Apps arent even being developed to access the power we have right now, so why concern yourself? Which is why I said unless you're obsessed with technology and want to brag to your friends...
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
I can't speak to twitter on either device as I don't use them and I really despise any facebook app but honestly, I would rather use the Android one. The reason there are not apps currently that take advantage of the high power of our CPUs is that until very recently iPhone completely dominated the market. It didn't make sense for major developers to put more effort into developing software for Android when the money was in iPhone. This however is changing. Recently released numbers showed that Android has eeked out the lead in the US in terms of devices accessing the internet. That means more and more developers will be focusing their time on Android in the coming months, especially with all of the innovations being pushed out this year. It really is the platform to develop for nowadays whereas last year, that title still went to Apple.

Also, having owned a second-generation Android device (MT3G) I can tell you that without a doubt, no question, there is a difference in terms of how it performs. It was frustrating trying to use my phone for anything. Games? Forget it. Why would anyone want to develop 3D games for a platform that gets bottlenecked by LauncherPro? Now, however, there are phones that can perform nearly on par with full on computers.

Finally, while the App store might have opened in July of 08, the platform had existed for a year and a half. The devices were already in people's hands and there was already money to be made for developers not to mention the fact that the SDK was released in March of 08 so developers had the incentive and the means to develop. The number of Apps available for Android a year after it launched was 20,000 vs the 55,000 the App store had. A year later the App store hit 255k but now it is slowing down its progress again, another hint that Android development is taking off. the Android Market has 200,000 apps as of December 31st, 2010 (which is 120,000 more than the 80,000 that it had in August of that year; in just three months! That's 40,000 apps a month, 1290.3 per day, 53.8 a second, and almost one a second, is that really "slow?"). Android is really still only starting to gain market acceptance and discouraging users from buying devices based on the fact that they only for show is a really negative way to look at our devices. I love my phone because it does everything I need it to perfectly. It has nothing to do with showing off.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
The Android Market is what made me want an AOS phone :D

it is full of useful apps for free

or ad version of the full apps without apps

in contrast in the apple app store the majority of the apps are paid or demo
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MikhailCompo:
Helpful contribution...
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zardos66:
Personally, from the small amount of time I spent with an iPhone, I can say I hated the UI and prefer Stock Android's offerings by a mile. Facebook is fine on Android, can't comment on twitter, don't use it.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Torridred04:
[Q] Galaxy S to Nexus S worth it?

Hello all,

I currently own a Captivate and absolutely love everything about it, except the lack of official support. It really seems the Dalvik Jit compiler has been optimized for the Hummingbird in the Nexus S application. So my question is for anyone who may have switched from a Galaxy S phone to the Nexus S or Nexus S owners in general. Are you happy with your purchase and was it worth it in this new Dual Core age coming on us? I'm looking forward to the AT&T/Rogers/Bell/Telus 3G friendly version and am willing to spend the money thus far, I would like to just hear your opinions. Any feedback is greatly appreciated, thanks.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
the answer is simple

1) if you want to always have the latest updates direct from google, then get the Nexus S

2) if you prefer to flash custom ROMs, then any Android Phone will do

3) if you prefer Multimedia Playback with lots of Codec Support, 720p recording, microSD card support, then you better stay with the Galaxy S (SNS doesn't have not even half of what the SGS can play back)

now decide what is more important for you.

personally speaking after all of the above, my experience is not satisfied with Nexus S, it's extremely limited coming from the SGS

it might have been like heaven, if you came from a cheaper low class phone, but when you are at the top and step one down, it feels you always lost something...

my next purchase will be T-mobile Galaxy S 4G
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
I personally came from an Samsung Epic 4G and I have to say the Nexus is a major step up. Sure, it has a few quirks like any new device but in my opinion those quirks are far out weighed by the benefits of owning a device that gets its updates from Google as opposed to a manufacturer or carrier. I love my phone and my original plan was to get the Nexus S and wait until the LG Optimus 2X launched and then return it or sell it and get that, now I'm not so sure that's my plan.

The fact is that Android is not optimized for dual-core yet. Just a 50% over clock (1.5GHz) on the Nexus S results in benchmark scores that far and above beat anything I've seen a dual-core do. When 3.0 or later hits phones, that may change but as it stands now, in my opinion, there is not another phone on the market that comes close to the Nexus S in terms of pure power. And given that the Optimus 2X and the Atrix 4G will both be launched with 2.2, as far as I know. Heck, Motorola isn't even launching the Atrix with 1080p recording like they'd announced and supposedly it will be added with an update (not that that should be a determining factor as it looks like our 480p max is a hardware limitation).

That's just my opinion.