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[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
*sigh* 1.5 million is handsets to carriers, not to users.

You've got MS refusing to publish sales figures because they are so low and AT&T having to try two for one specials to try and drum up business, and reports of android outselling WP7 handsets 15 to 1, and even WM devices outselling WP7.

I've used WP7 on several devices and none of them have shown android or WM to be anything other than just as smooth, so stop with the WP7 being smoother bollocks already, its not true, we know its not true, you know its not true, so why keep claiming it is?
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
It's true and only a hardcore fanboy would say otherwise. Anyone who owns a WP7 device will tell you so. People may gripe about the animations, I like the aesthetics, but as a whole its much quicker and much more responsive.

At last count there was 121 phones running android. If it wasn't outselling WP7 15:1 I'd be shocked. Like I said though, WP7 sales aren't great but go into any T-mobile store and ask to see an HD7, they will literally herd you towards another device because they think the HD7 is winmo (they really need to train their monkeys better)

I do like how you bring up the two for one specials though as both verizon and T-mobile had their Galaxy S devices, the most overhyped devices in a long time, on the same deal in less time than it took WP7 to make it there. ATT quickly followed suit. They're both operating systems, they're both good in their own respect, we just have different preferences.
[General Questions and Answers] androidfeen809:
Lmfao brother is speaking the truth, lol what ****in lag Is the guy your arguing talking about? The only android phones know to have a lag is the galaxy s phones but its fixable so really there is no lag, I totally agree with all your points. Android haterz will talk **** all the time smfh

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[General Questions and Answers] androidfeen809:
This was the dumbest comment I've read so far smh, have you tried amp music player? Poorly built my ass, windows mobile 7 sucks compare to android, its so slow, it crashes, it is simply another windows failure lmao

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[General Questions and Answers] FLAC Vest:
For the lag comment, I think you just might have to do a better job at task management. the first thing I do when I get a new phone is install Android Task Killer.

I have a Nexus 1 that I use as my main phone now and love it, but it will slow ddown a little and lag a bit if I have a lot of things running in the background. All I have to do is clear all aand it's back to new.

I think Android is the fastest OS out there one on one, with the ability to get a specific task done.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
oh yay. Another comment posted by someone who clearly hasn't used the os. No point in arguing with a post that got literally everything wrong.
[General Questions and Answers] vbetts:
No source for this I see, no explanation either. Everything I've seen about Windows Phone 7 is basically the opposite of this post. Android is nice, Android is VERY VERY nice, if done right, and Android still has its share of problems. (Just read this topic over, and you'll find them easily.) When I say if done right, some android devices have horrible issues, and some of the makers of the phone have horrible track records. Samsung and Motorola are both known for this.
[General Questions and Answers] Mrdaviso:
What's up with the windows fanboys in here? Seriously not understanding why you haven't been warned for trolling yet...........your just stirring ****............. the majority love their Android too, so don't get caught slippin. This is me leaving this thread for the fan boyz to play in.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Well lets see. OP asked a question. I answered. I was trolled upon answering. I justified my reasoning. xaccers and I went on to have an intelligent debate. You brought the impending air of immaturity and trolled then degraded yourself to third grade insults. Last I checked this wasn't "Android General Discussion." Therefor I will gladly come in and post my opinion that android is only second best in the mobile OS world.
[General Questions and Answers] vbetts:
There's a difference in trolling and actual good and clean argument. I don't know who all you're directing that post to, but it's not helping either. As for me, I like to be fair about stuff. This is one of them, I've used both Android and WP7, both have their faults, and both have their goods.
[General Questions and Answers] Mrdaviso:
This wasnt directed at you this was directed at the gentleman who said he canme to this thread because he was sick of android guys in the windows forums........ Xx remember that? Come on dude... Shakes head.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Eh, most fanboy posts here seem to be pointed at me since I defend my OS the same as anyone else. I love WP7 and like android. For my daily phone though I pick the one that better suits me for multimedia, gaming, and overall ease of use... plus the dell venue pro is pretty much the sexiest looking phone out at the moment.
[General Questions and Answers] Mrdaviso:
Hey, MOD EDIT. Your the one in the wrong forum check out this jokers threads and posts they all basically trash android cuz his ****ty os. Now there, I am an asshole too. I never trashed windows our you, but now I'm done, troll. Maybe next year mommy will get you the phone you want.
[General Questions and Answers] Mrdaviso:
Sorry mods but maybe someone should watch this crap better.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Well, that was comical.
[General Questions and Answers] Mrdaviso:
Did you like that I got more for you... its pretty obvious you are not here to help anyone and your threads you participate in show your a windows nut. I try to help people but your like the government and you want us all at war with one another. I do come here to help folks, like the intentions of the op, hmmm. But you wanna tear everyone down for having android and an opinion?????

Your a piece of work bro.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Oh the irony, I could not care less about your opinion but that's solely towards you. I find xaccers posts to be insightful and he's obviously an android fan. He approaches it from a more mature angle and doesn't reduce himself to petty children's insults to get his point across. I have no intention of starting a war with anyone. The original poster asked a question and I answered. I was subsequently trolled and so I have justified my answer. Do I believe WP7 is for everyone? No. Do I think it's the better phone for me? Yes. That is what this thread is about and I have posted that many times each of which has been met with a rebuttal an thereafter replied to. I do hope that you at least attempt to grow up and save face on this forum because at this point you're just making yourself look bad with these insults.
[General Questions and Answers] Mrdaviso:
Total bs you told us all you were mad at the android fanboys for posting in the windows section. Uh read your signature...... "hater" irony is so true
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Nice discussion

Ok guys, keep this chat on topic and with respect, otherwise I´ll be forced to close and take actions
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Yes, I do hate the galaxy S phones specifically. They were released with a terrible UI, an outdated version of the OS which most US carriers still have on them, and a lag issue that you have to flash new kernels to fix. All of this on the most over-hyped and underwhelming device of our time. That is not android, just the galaxy S. If I didn't like having android around I'd sell my 5 android devices and get more WP7 but they're fun to tinker with. I am not mad at the Android fanboys for posting in the windows phone section. I may dislike the fact that most of their comments are "LOL my phone is better than yours because its open source." and nothing else because that by definition is trolling. I am trying to have an intelligent conversation with members of all OS communities and that is why I'm in the general section. Unfortunately you're hindering any intelligent conversation with childish comments MOD EDIT.
[General Questions and Answers] nooty90:
i'm very satisfied, this is very good
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
All apologies, I called you a fan not as an insult like "fanboy" but as a daily user of the OS. In all actuality though I do find all android handsets slow by comparison. There are some that come very close like the mytouch 4g, nexus S, and HD2 running android but they still have little hiccups that were never a big deal at all to me until I started using WP7. It's the only device I haven't had to reset quite frequently (at least once every couple days.) I have not reset my dell venue pro once and features aside that says something about an OS. I'm not a WP7 fanboy and I miss the days of WM 6.5. My HD2 is themed to look like WP7 but is still running good old WM and if the battery life on that thing was better (was great to start but that phones been through hell) then I'd likely still use it more. I'm just going for the best OS for me that's currently out. I know a lot of people have trouble with it, mainly samsung people, but I own every US released WP7 device and they are all great except for the HTC devices, not that they have any OS issues their phones were just underwhelming with WP7. I have had absolutely zero issues with my phones and I love all the default apps though it's not like I'd have a choice if I didn't. The OSes are just two completely opposite sides of the spectrum and there's really no point comparing the two but we do because we're XDA members and we defend our OSes to the bitter end.
[General Questions and Answers] GnatGoSplat:
Android lag is device dependent, I don't think it's a relevant argument against Android itself. My old myTouch 3G w/528MHz processor is very laggy and slow. However, the Droid Incredible and HTC Desire are very fast, smooth, and responsive. Finger swipes are instantaneous and apps launch instantly. If Galaxy S is laggy, that's not Android's fault, it's Samsung's.

You also can't make a fair comparison between Android's sales numbers at launch to WP7. WP7 launched with no less than 10 different devices in more than 30 countries and over 60 carriers worldwide. Android launched on ONE device on ONE carrier in only TWO countries. Compared to the iPhone, the G1 was rather mundane in hardware design and T-Mobile is one of the lesser used carriers, ranking #4. It's an apples to oranges comparison if you take those factors into consideration.
[General Questions and Answers] hazard99:
Wow this thread Is crazy.

I will throw my crappy written two cents in. I am sure that at some point winmo7 will be a perfectly capable phone os. I played with a microsoft reps phone and was pretty impressed for the first 30 minutes of playing with it. It was rather smooth... like super super smooth "like butta baby". netflix streaming was awesome but after having netflix for a few months Id rather have hulu. Now I like the live tiles but to my the interface is way to bland. That isnt fanboism or anything like that. Its just how I feel.

I then had a second chance to play with my bosses phone and played with it a few seconds and was over it.

So I guess if android has short comings I will deal with em cause I can tinker!

I like to tinker! Id be driving myself crazy not being able to tinker.
[General Questions and Answers] Mrdaviso:
I agree totally with this +1 the negative issues brought up in this thread however are mainly device related, I get the same speeds/no lag from my mt4g as I experienced on wp7. And yes this thread is crazy.
[General Questions and Answers] Asphyx:
Intelligent UI? It's a frigging square icon version of Titanium! With everything else removed! I don't HAVE to customize the hell out of Android to use it I can do as little or as much as I choose to do. You don;t HAVE a choice. To have as many options as I have on my desktop you have to scroll 50 times to get to the app you want at the bottom of the tiles. I don't!

Yes when you can do very little you can do it quickly! Can you actually READ your email without clicking a tile? No? Awww too bad so much for speed and intuitive interface!

Get used to it since WP7 is geared and designed for the low end first time smartphone buyers and the hardware will not get much better!

Thats not android that the manufacturer. In time they will screw up WP7 just as much, why? Because the carriers demand they throw crap in there that isn't needed and wanted!

Fragmentation will be a problem for any OS unless that OS relies on standardized hardware drivers that will turn some good hardware into mediocre. iOS doesn't have frangmentation but then again there are only two models available (one per year) and if you don't like them well then go buy something else! That may stop fragmentation but it sure doesn't inspire constant innovation. Choice is a good thing not a bad thing!

Oh so doing more means you can't make phone calls send texts, get your email and just about anything else a phone does. Get real dude!

http://www.canalys.com/pr/images/r2011013.gif

Read it and weep dude!

You forget that in the time frame where you claim Windows sold more at the time you speak (initial launch) there was only ONE Android phone. You couldn't even double shipped with 5 or 6 models to choose from!

As for development well I haven't seen any major shift in development for WP7.

Android is still far in the lead of Apps compared to WP7.

And with all your talk about OTA updates I find it funny that WP7 on it's VERY FIRST OTA attempt bricked their customer's phones!

Yeah it's so well thought out and designed!

Well when the next gen of WP7 phones come out with features your current WP7 doesn't have you will soo be crying why no Developer has hacked and unlocked your phone so you can flash the HD7 2 rom onto your unit.

You have fun with your titanium launcher and leave the real phones to the adults around here!

And keep hoping SPB comes out with a titanium replacement for the bathroom tile OS!

Let us know when you have installed it so we can call you out on how great the WP7 UI is once you have replaced it entirely because it is really nothing more than a today plug with the rest of the OS stripped out!
[General Questions and Answers] husky55:
Help please...

Deleted. Wrong forum.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Lag is going to be everywhere primarily because of the lack of hardware accelerated UI but it's also caused by no decent pre-installed task manager, power hungry apps, and a generally poorly coded OS. I'm not saying it's not functional and it's certainly fast enough but once you use WP7 for a few days everything else seems slow by comparison. The OS itself is a basic linux build with great support but really it's the hardware and apps that sell the OS.
[General Questions and Answers] hazard99:
So what do you say to those who used it and didnt like it. If i wanted those limitations I would have stuck with the iphone.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Those who didn't like it, well, that's entirely up to you. We are all different people and expect different things from our phone. If you like to tinker then go android, if you want an awesome media/social networking phone then go WP7, if you want terrible hardware restrictions, a hideous UI, and to be treated like an 8 year old then go iphone.
[General Questions and Answers] Mrdaviso:
I will let my little sister know.:p
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Yes because facebook totally wasn't built with the target audience of college students and listening to music, playing games, and watching movies is completely child-like. Way to save face and show your maturity.
[General Questions and Answers] Mrdaviso:
Why attack???? This is exactly what she wants? WOW, I thought it was a good thing.......

And I never said she was a child either?
[General Questions and Answers] psycho693:
I love android. It is the best is out. I'm even running it on my PC.
[General Questions and Answers] hazard99:
I agree with you on the last part!
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
Please forgive me, I just can't resist :D

if you want terrible hardware restrictions, a hideous UI, and to be treated like a 5 year old then go duplo, I mean WP7 *tee-hee*

In other news, DO NOT search google images for Duplo WP7 with safe search off. Bikini girl needs a good waxing.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Eh, I guess if you enjoy being so limited on your home screen. I may not be able to add wallpapers but hey, I can pin a location, a picture, a video, pretty much anything to my start screen. I could also use the old no viruses argument but I already know the counter to that so for this one I'll say, "If were so ugly why do the other two big OSes have interfaces to copy us." :)
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
Funnily enough I can pin pretty much anything to any one of my homescreens too ;)
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Ah, how much time did that take? You know, apps installed, time spent at XDA searching for an app that I've never personally heard of that allows you to pin a google location or direct link to a video or anything else one might want to the homescreen which will regardless look jumbled unless you only put about 4 icons per page as I had to do so my OCD wouldn't kill me? It's nice to have something pristine that has all of those functions out of the box.
[General Questions and Answers] vetvito:
Lol pin wifi, Bluetooth, GPS, auto rotate toggles to the start screen. Oops, my bad!

Yes its fulfilling my needs. Social and media, with no stupid conversions needed. Not to mention airsync, and dropbox.

Also, once you guys try dual cores, you may want to throw away your notebook computers. Its that good!
[General Questions and Answers] Longcat14:
For the others, I use my hand. xD

And yes, it fufills my needs, but I usually use mobile hotspot with my iPod since I prefer the browsing on iOS more. :/

Come on Google, you can do it!
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Only useful thing there is GPS. Gotta say I don't see much difference with the dual cores compared to a typical 1g qualcomm... It's just more hardware selling an OS.
[General Questions and Answers] jgcaap:
i've decided to leave android for a while since was allot buggy and laggy . I'm using Windows phone 7 now it seems very nice, fluid, and great quality experience.I hope android envolves, since it grow pretty fast. Would be great to see more quality implemented, as windows phone 7 has and ioS :)
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
Hold finger on screen, add widget or shortcut, job done. No need for app hunting.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Hold finger on screen, add shortcut (not to everything), dig through the homescreen which is pretty much as bad as scrolling through the app drawer except without the alphabetical order, find the app, repeat.
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
Dig through the home screen?
[General Questions and Answers] HipKat:
Wow, I wish I would have thought of this line when I was trying to explain to my ex why she should get and Android over and Iphone, but she's not a tinkerer. She's a take it out of the box, turn it on and use it type.

Me, if I can't constantly try to tweak and manipulate my device, I might as well not have one.
[General Questions and Answers] .FT:
coming from win mobile... must say, android is the best mobile os i've ever seen!
[General Questions and Answers] vetvito:
Useful, how about quick access.

Dual cores are a huge improvement over one core. They're amazing! Im not even going to list the benefits as there are too many.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
What about quick access? It's what WP7 does best.
[General Questions and Answers] vetvito:
You can't quickly disable wifi, bluetooth, gps, data, auto rotate, sync, screen brightness etc... You can't.

How many swipes must a person make, that was my biggest gripe of WP7. Swipe, swipe, swipe, home button. Need to disable something else, repeat the swipe process. How about quickly getting back to that app that's not pinned to the Start screen? Swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, or back, back, back, back, swipe, back, swipe, damn I forgot to turn my Bluetooth on, start button, swipe, swipe, swipe.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Why do you ned to change those settings so frequently? Seems non-sensical to me. I know that no multi-tasking sucks but that tiny detail isn't going to stop me from loving the most fluid and well built OS currently on the market.
[General Questions and Answers] rogier666:
The problem with the tiles on WP7 is that they're way too big, as if they were designed with the shaky-fingered elderly in mind. Does WP7 offer an option to make those tiles smaller so that you can fit more of them on your screen? I'd rather have twenty small icons for the apps I use often on a single screen than a bunch of giant tiles that I have to swipe through because the screen only has room for eight of 'em.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
One of the main reasons they released it in that way was to do away with the jumbled, cluttered interfaces shared by iOS, android, and a number of other OS developers. In all actuality I can't see why anyone would need much on the homepage considering most things are linked to hubs. It's not like it's harder to make one swipe down on one home page to get to your app rather than 3 swipes left or right to get to the app on an android or iphone screen.
[General Questions and Answers] timber4483:
I was with blackberry for far too long before moving to android. The only thing that was really holding me back was BBM, then I just decided that I got free texts anyway so it wasnt a big deal... now BBM is coming to android! woop woop
[General Questions and Answers] mstevan:
I just got HTC HD, after Nokia E51. Well, some times i think that i even dont need my laptop i some cases.
[General Questions and Answers] rogier666:
The idea behind finger-sized icons is to avoid swiping left, right, up or down. Swiping down on one honepage is no different from swiping to another screen, and I try to keep that to a minimum. With the 4x5 layout of GO Launcher and the five icons in the dock I rarely swipe at all. The only time I flick to another screen is when I want to launch an app that I only use once a week or so. Everything that I access daily is available on my main homescreen sans swipe.

Those tiles in WP7 remind me of those monstrously big tiles in Windows that were set to default when XP was launched. One of the first things I did was change the view from tiles to icons to minimize scrolling.

Btw, why does the right side of the WP7 screen waste so much space to display an arrow? Phone screens are so small that every centimeter counts.

Android has many flaws, but it makes up for most of 'em by having a flexible user interface with a wide choice of launchers so that you can decide for yourself whether you want 30 small icons or 8 big squares. Such flexibility is an essential feature for any operating system, because everyone knows that one size will never fit all.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
and the point of live tiles is to eliminate the horrendous clutter with icons that provide more function than a placeholder for an app. They combined widgets and icons and made the first aesthetically appealing os. The screen real estate is so well spent that where it would limit androids functionality it has no negative effects on wp7. I was a huge android fan but wp7 without a doubt just takes the cake for all the necessities of a smartphone.