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[Galaxy Tab General] TheGrammarFreak:
The facts are these:

To get decent ROM we need source code

We don't have source code

We can't make a decent ROM

To make a patch job we need a system image

We have a system image

No one can be bothered to port this, as most of the functionality will be broken
[Galaxy Tab General] vamp6x6x6x:
But see if we have Honeycomb(even non-functional) we can say "yea, now what Xoom, I have Honeycomb too."

(We just wont tell them that our version doesn't work right) :P
[Galaxy Tab General] diagdave:
I think your misunderstanding what open source means.

Open source != Free (Price)

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
[Galaxy Tab General] jongilluley:
I only added my comment for fun. I want hobeycomb as much as anyone else but id rather have a working version at some point than a broken version now lol.

Lets wait for a proper source version that works and then donate as a thanks to the guy who creates it.
[Galaxy Tab General] hoss_n2:
gingerbread is for smart-phones but galaxy is a tablet , so it is better to port a tablet os rather than a smartphone os
[Galaxy Tab General] foxmeister:
Sorry, you are wrong once again! You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of open source and the free software movement!

As someone else has already posted, free software does not mean free as in price, it means free as in freedom.

In the specific case of Android, apart from the Linux kernel, it is licensed under the Apache Software License. This is not a copy left license, so I can take the Android source code, compile it up, and sell it (with or without modifications) for whatever price I like, and I can decide the terms of the EULA. I'm also under absolutely no obligation to release the source code that I used (whether modified or not) with the exception of the Linux kernel.

The point being that as soon as the Honeycomb source drops into AOSP, I could if I wished compile it up and get it running on the Tab, and then only sell it to paying customers, perfectly legally.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab General] Boushh:
LOL Opensource has nothing to do with the monetary system in the slightest. Free, paid, donate, barter, whatever. It has absolutely nothing to do with it. Open source has to do with the code being free as in open, free for all to use, see, modify, contribute to, share. Unlike closed source where if you want to modify something you have to bypass the original code or decompile it (usually badly), etc....

Money has nothing to do, or not do with Open Source. If Open Source was an orange, then money is a space ship, no relation.

The AOSP code isn't out yet, as already mentioned, so the only option for honeycomb on any device is ghetto'd out SDK boot and I've heard it makes the baby Stig cry. So, that's probably why the Tab devs are working on more productive things.
[Galaxy Tab General] elnoxvie:
It's true but there are things that i am quite concerned. I quess Samsung galaxy tab doesn't have the same development team as them at least from what i observed. They ported everything almost instantly and actively within few weeks. Just simply awesome.
[Galaxy Tab General] mario23:
lol someone close this waste of a thread
[Galaxy Tab General] ekoandrew:
2nd that !! Close this darn thread, all becoming a SPAM thread for conversation and arguments.

Even there is a Honeycomb ROM, will need to be for ALL Tablets compatible, meant GSM and CDMA Tablets.
[Galaxy Tab General] IP IHI II IL:
Gotta' agree

I've always thought bounties were a horrible idea. All they do is rush devs into putting together a half assed ROM, 'cause they're broke. Every ROM I've seen that was created for a bounty JUST BARELY worked, having all of the necessary functions, but only partially working. I say be patient. With Android, the time spent is WELL worth the final outcome.

One more thing... We only BARELY have working Froyo ROMS on the SGT, and even less for the CDMA tabs... What makes you think a ROM with a future release will be worth anything?
[Galaxy Tab General] Matt4542:
I <3 SPAM! Bounties are stupid. If you are so impatient do it yourself.
[Galaxy Tab General] fastcx:
You are totally wrong in the money part, opensource means the source code is open to public to view and contribute, u never know how many money and man hour spent in the process of making it work! If pirates like you still thinks the whole world owes u something, please, go F yourself:mad:

Cost less? The software came without loyalty fee, but people who maintain it for us aren't rich people who don't need to feed their family! Think logically! If you are so willing to do for free, why not you learn how to compile from source and edit source code? Pirate begone!
[Galaxy Tab General] Xtreame96:
$100 - and I confirm :)
[Galaxy Tab General] Xtreame96:
And I think I disagree with most of the sentiments, when someone does something that you benefit from, it is just good manners or good karma, to do something nice a gesture of gratitude for the time and effort they put in.

So to the person who does finally make this a reality,thank you and please allow me to make this small token gesture in appreciation of your hard work.

And for those who do it for the joy of the scene, as an ex-cracking scene member myself, I salute you ;)
[Galaxy Tab General] jamiemac1977:
I agree that theres nothing wrong with a pledge, and it's nice to see someone offering a reward, this does show how we all want this on the tab.

The ONLY gripe i have with this is we have all paid £400 - £500 approx and should samsung not allready have their bounty for doing this work?

I love the community, the modders, and the idea of offering bounty, but really we should not be doing samsungs dirty work for them!
[Galaxy Tab General] wallah:
I fully agree with you about policy and how it deals samsung customers !!!

I personally will never buy a smartphone samsung !!! :mad::mad::mad:
[Galaxy Tab General] genan42:
I agree with you entirely but then again we purchased a device not a support agreement am I correct? Would be nice if when purchasing the device they would stipulate the fact that they will indeed support the device for the next 2-3 years but the way technology is moving right now and hardware vendors attempting to one up each other on the sheer basis of "Tech Specs" we as the consumer are left out to dry.
[Galaxy Tab General] zyborg:
$50 for a functional port.
[Galaxy Tab General] eboIa:
sorry to say but sony-ericsson simply **** on their costumers (xperia family), htc make this also with lot of phone of them... etc... may I ask you what will be your next phone? iphone or one lg android... maybe motorola... nowadays samsung is already far from it's deepest problems what they had at half years ago... personally I hated them but not now as they slowly but get into the right way/direction...

hope they will bring honeycomb for the first gen tab (dont care if they leave some glitches, because the 'slow CPU'... we just need the new system, new browser and done... dont care about the new home application, that is not the main system importance...), as this is not a business mistake, and for the brand itslef it also a requirement...
[Galaxy Tab General] em4all:
i am in for 20$

God speed developers

:)
[Galaxy Tab General] zyborg:
Maybe a stupid question, but...

Can't the port for the Nook Color be used as a basis? (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=947071)
[Galaxy Tab General] vamp6x6x6x:
Not really sure, but not sure if I see the point since soon the Xoom comes out and everyone can start maybe using the real honeycomb as basis instead of sdk honeycomb
[Galaxy Tab General] jkurl:
Vamp is right. I have the nook color and while it is cool I got rid of it very fast and went back froyo and now I am on CM7 on the nook. Give it a few days or weeks as there should be a system dump and then the devs will get to it or just go buy the xoom.
[Galaxy Tab General] shanghei:
$20 dollars
[Galaxy Tab General] Xtreame96:
Disagree

What I don't agree with here, is the expectation for Samsung to have to give us software upgrades, typically you buy a phone you get that firmware and that's that.

I think its pretty unreasonable for us to expect Samsung to keep pushing us OS updates all the time. Especially when every piece of hardware is different.

What your saying is that they should keep a dev team handy all the time just to support old models which would push up the cost, which we would in turn complain about.

I don't think that's reasonable. We bought the devices with froyo and now we want honey comb, well then we should have waited for honey comb.

We really should not make the assumptions that we treat phones like pcs and upgrade them when ever for ever.

Phones are not made with 4 year duty cycles, they are designed with 18 months product life spans tops.

Just a thought.
[Galaxy Tab General] natious:
Samsung should support thier devices with atleast ONE decent update, my previous iPhone got os updates for 3 years before they stopped rolling in.

They don't need to keep a Dev team handy for updates, they have a full time dev team working all the time.

Sent from my Galaxy Tab of awsomeness
[Galaxy Tab General] kay_kiat88:
If we keep waiting for a better/newer OS, we'll never buy a device cos everyday there's something new in the year of the tablets.
[Galaxy Tab General] foxmeister:
Whilst is is certainly true that Apple are much better at supporting their devices, you have to consider that since they control the AppStore and iTunes, and gain considerable revenue from them, it is in their interest to keep you up to date on the latest version of iOS because they still get a revenue stream from older devices.

Samsung, on the other hand, once they've sold the device that is pretty much it as far as revenue is concerned, unless you are going to spend a few quid on downloads from Samsung movies etc.

However, I do agree that at the very least we should get one update before they stop producing the Tab - I'd hope it was Honeycomb, but I'd understand if they stopped at Gingerbread. I think if Honeycomb doesn't support voice (regardless of whether or not it could be back ported in), we're unlikely to see it on the Tab.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab General] Bugman1:
Samsung and every other phone/Tab maker should support their products completely for the entire warranty period of the device. If that means releasing updates to the OS then they should be compelled to do so.

When you buy any product, the price that you pay for it includes paying for a warranty. Don't think that Samsung or any company for that matter, hasn't factored warranty costs into the price of the product that you buy. If you never have to use the warranty the manufacturer pockets as extra profit the estimated cost for warranty on your product. This is the basic business practice of almost every manufacturing company on the planet.

Paying developers to update and improve firmware and operating systems is part of the cost of producing Samsung products. Same goes for R&D.

If samsung doesn't support the Galaxy Tab by supplying updates to their OS, they will surely lose market share to companies that will provide updates.

Honeycomb is arriving at a time that is very tricky for Android tablet makers. They have to be very careful about which devices that they release to the public that are preloaded with Honeycomb. If they leave Honeycomb out of a device that is in direct competition with another manufacturer's device that has it.....the product will die on the shelves or have to be discounted so severely that they lose money on the product.

It will be a very interesting market over the next few months and I think that all of us will enjoy some serious price reductions in a lot of Android products.
[Galaxy Tab General] jeremyritzmann:
I think one of the unquestionably unique situations that tablets bring to the table is whether or not we should view them as scaled down computers or mobile devices such as cell phones. Even if you viewed as computers, when a new version of an os is developed it has a reasonable backwards compatible. The catch is that you're more than likely going to pay for that os upgrade. Companies like Samsung need to at least allow us the oppurtunity to buy the stock os upgrade if nothing else.its honestly its mind boggling that companies haven't started doing this as our society has become a capitalist-centric one.
[Galaxy Tab General] Kyonz:
At first I started to agree with this however the fundamental flaw in this is that samsung do not make the operating system they make the drivers (if we consider stock android). If logitech or nvidia started to charge for drivers for newer operating systems I'm pretty sure people would be pissed.

It would be nice if android went in the same direction as computers with drivers being seperate to OS which would allow users to upgrade at any point in time as soon as a new version came out but only time will see what model ends up developing in this growing market.
[Galaxy Tab General] jeremyritzmann:
I could agree with that. However, what I'm saying is the typical consumer does NOT view things in the same way that the majority of us do. I have talked to people who didn't believe that touch wiz was a ui overlay on top of android. And I'm not saying that they SHOULD charge, but at least at that point we would have access to it in an official manner. But then again, im one to think that providers should give consumers the CHOICE of whether or not they want to use there mostly crap UI as an add-on, therefore leaving the device in a vanilla state, allowing google to release the updates, ensuring we get updates. :) utopian as it may sound I have hope. ;)
[Galaxy Tab General] RevenG:
So just in case this helps any.

I flashed the KB1 modem from the Vibrant. When I do *#2263# it shows that 1700mhz isn't even active. So when I activate it shows that it gets the signal, but when trying to connect is says it cannot be registered on that SIM.

If we can find a way to get the SIM to register on the Vibrant modem's 1700 band, then we have working 3G plus voice.

The question is, what is keeping it from registering?

[edit] I forgot to add that the KB1 does support voice on the Tab. I made a phone call while using the KB1 modem.
[Galaxy Tab General] foxmeister:
The warranty has little, if anything, to do with actual OS upgrades. Typically, for consumer electronics, the warranty covers manufacturing defects only.

Yes, they should release bug fixes for the life cycle of the product, but an actual OS upgrade goes beyond simple bug fixes.

If Samsung and other manufacturers were *compelled* to do as you say, you could expect the initial costs of the devices to be significantly greater!

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab General] natious:
It wouldn't be higher, samsung would already have a dev team that would be familiar with honeycomb (for instance), if they really wanted to they could make a release for the tab 1.

the problem is greed, and thats about it.

If i don't get some kinda update from Samsung before i decide to update my device, this will be the last thing i purchase with a Samsung name
[Galaxy Tab General] waz000000:
Couldn't agree more, as a Tab owner I feel royally shafted by Samsung.

Lets look at the nexus N1 shall we as an example they constantly get updates to the newest OS and it's by no means a new device.

For the money I paid I expect updates if I don't get them there are plenty of other manufacturers I can jump to and Samsung wont get a penny off me again as long as I live. Judging by the comments on here I am not the only one feeling this way, Samsung are masters at releasing new hardware selling it at a premium and shafting their customer base once they have parted with cash.

Im pleased some of you think it's ok if Samsung dont release any upadates I respect your opinion Dont agree with it but still :p

Additional:

I wouldn't expect a DEV to come to a solution any time soon, the Galaxy S development has been going on for ages and as yet there is no fully working CM Samsung are good and customizing their hardware and not so good about releasing the info about it. Seasoned Dev's are struggling with the S the tab has little to no chance.
[Galaxy Tab General] jkurl:
This is one reason I am dumping the tab for the xoom.
[Galaxy Tab General] foxmeister:
Of course there is a cost! Just because Samsung have a dev team, doesn't mean that their time is "free". It gets allocated to specific projects - in the case of Honeycomb, they are almost certainly working on the Tab 10.1.

Yes, they can release Honeycomb for the original Tab, but there is certainly a cost involved. Whilst that cost might be considered marginal, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist!

I fully agree that we should get some sort of update for the Tab, but Honeycomb may not be an easy one (i.e. cheap) if there is no native support for voice.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab General] foxmeister:
To be honest, if I were a Nexus One owner, I'd be pretty pissed of at Google by now.

How long has Gingerbread been out? Where's the Nexus One version? (supposedly this week, but then again, I've heard that before!)

Samsung has anecdotally shipped more Android phones than any other manufacturer (including HTC), and yet many of these phones still don't support Froyo. We tend to forget that people like us, who use communities like XDA, are a tiny, tiny, tiny minority in the scheme of things. Most people who've bought an Android phone know nothing about Froyo, Gingerbread, OTAs, firmware, flashing etc and that is the market that Samsung targets.

What I would like to see is for companies like Samsung, Motorola, and HTC, to effectively "unlock" their phones once they've been end-of-line'd, to open them up to the development community. Of course, it would be nice if you could do this as soon as the phone was released, but I can understand that they see these as "consumer level" devices and want to support them thus.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab General] Xtreame96:
Different hard ware means different drivers, unlike apple who takes the approach of only ever having one hardware standard (which is why they have beeen ten years behind in graphics accelration for so long)

Samsung and other vendors would have to support all sorts of different driver configurations. So 2 choices go for inferior closed architectures, ala apple for easy support. Or b use the best hardware possible.

Samsung sells hardware not software, one should not treat them as an OS company, the OS is provided by google.

If the logic everyone has put forth holds, then it is GOOGLE who plays the part of Apple in shipping OS updates.

The problem there becomes that the driver support and custom hardware would make that job a night mare.

Thus think before you ***** people, if you are not in high end device dev or have not worked at Adobe, Google Microsoft, Apple then really you need to appreciate what it is your asking before just screaming that you should be entitled to all sorts of things. Those things cost, and are not very practical.

But I suppose that's what happens when norms are allowed on the internet they start expecting things.

PS For those who are still not grasping this (you got your OS from GOOGLE not Samsung - Samsung just plays integrator in this cycle, in honeycomb they don't even do that part, as there is no longer the whole skinning ui vibe.)

So someone start an open letter to GOOGLE saying they need to start doing what Apple do and do OS updates, and then tell them to go hire people from Microsoft who have real experience supporting a million and one different devices and hard wares from one kernel. A full time team of about 70 people should be able to handle all the device driver and kernel debugging needed for the various vendors. Oh and then they would need to be charged for that - so more cost to you.

#JustSaying.

[On a separate note. Since I loose adobe flash support if I go to honey comb, I'm not so amped. I will wait a good while longer before buying my Samsung Tab 10.1 or a Xoom.]
[Galaxy Tab General] leogeeko:
Just to let Devs aware that I will donate US$ 100 for a Full Working Honeycomb ROM for the Tablet.

And in the matter of Flash on Tabs, News on it: http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20110222/tc_pcworld/adobesayshoneycombtabletswillgetflashinafewweeks

Flash is coming, inclusive for Xoom Owners.
[Galaxy Tab General] ap77:
No, this is pretty much all wrong. First off, in terms of phones and tablets, Apple has been substantially ahead of the rest of the pack in terms of graphics acceleration. iOS had GUI-acceleration throughout the OS from version 1.0. Android still doesn't have that (nor does WebOS; I think Win7 phone OS does though).

As for the rest of this -- it really is not a very substantial undertaking for a company of Samsung's size to simply keep up to date with drivers for the latest Android releases. They simply choose not to do so. The cost to them is negligible but they just don't care. It's not about cost, it's about nonfeasance.

I blame Google for this. They should make it a condition of use of the product in for-profit enterprises that the manufacturer releases driver updates in timely fashion.
[Galaxy Tab General] RevenG:
I just realized I totally posted in the wrong thread. Haha what a noob move.
[Galaxy Tab General] aal1:
Im in for 50 for Honeycomb...$100 for honeycomb w/Phone/OC/and Netflix working so I can watch movies on my Sprint Tab.
[Galaxy Tab General] foxmeister:
Which would be completely antithetical to the open source nature of Android!

The door swings both ways..... ;)

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab General] dragonstalker:
You guys do realize there are some honeycomb roms for the SGT right? Search google.
[Galaxy Tab General] vamp6x6x6x:
No there aren't. I search google every week for one and those are all Gingerbread roms just mislabeled.
[Galaxy Tab General] ap77:
Not really. There is already the Android Compatibility Program, for instance. You could just tweak that in various ways.

In any event, manufacturers are getting a complete free ride here with Android. I think it is more than fair that their use would be only minimally conditional -- you've got to make it work with X number of upgrades released by Google. We're talking about drivers here, not some major initiative.

If that makes it somehow an "impure" implementation of open source, oh well -- I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
[Galaxy Tab General] dkelley:
so, I'll mention this here again in case it's been missed. honeycomb exists (in it's unreleased preview state) for the nook color thanks to the xda underground community. if it runs on the nook, and runs REALLY WELL I might add, and the nook color is almost a galaxy tab with fewer hardware extras and with one version lower 3d accelerator (but same family, 530 versus 540 in tab), same screen resolution as tab, can that rom be used as a basis for a galaxy tab honeycomb preview rom also?

obviously drivers will be somewhat different, but the hardware's very very close in many ways.

just in case any rom devs haven't looked into this option yet.
[Galaxy Tab General] GANJDROID:
Its now started being ported to phones too.

Desire HD, Evo, Droid Incredible, Nexus One and Desire (that I know of) now has a crap taste of an SDK build of Honeycomb.

Sent from my GT-P1000
[Galaxy Tab General] xmellyx:
Just an FYI.

The final SDK for 3.0 (honeycomb) was just released by google. I expect to see some serious development on the nook in short order.

I wouldn't hold my breath for samsung to update the Galaxy Tab to 3.0. Especially if they want to differentiate their newer tablets coming out this year. We have to depend on the amazing developers to undertake this project if we ever want to see 3.0 on our screens.

Just my $0.02
[Galaxy Tab General] ash99:
No ones even sure about the basic hardware requirements for HoneyComb, but I think it would be good for the XDA community to help out. Faster is always better. Samsung isn't forthcoming with Jack ****.

We live in hope ......