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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hdurina:
I understand...thanks. But I guess my concern/question is best put this way:

What can the Atrix do while connected to a monitor via just a HD out cable? The Optimus 2x doesn't yet have any docks - and when connected to a monitor thru the mini-HD out, it has the capability to mirror the phone screen. Will the Atrix do this basically without any docks; the docks only enabling additional special features/intereface? Or is any HDMI out feature limited to using one of the docks.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stoli412:
I'm almost positive I saw a video from CES where the Atrix was connected to a TV directly with an HDMI cable, and it still gave the option of webtop mode or multimedia mode. If that's true, then you'll be able to put it in webtop mode and use the phone interface full screen. I guess we won't know for sure until the review embargo is lifted.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hdurina:
Thanks stoli...that's what I figured as well...gotta wait till the monsters are out of the cage to know their true potentials. Looking forward to the coming weeks/months...and to what's going to be revealed at the MWC this Feb 14th
[Galaxy Tab General] koriel:
Does anybody have the settings for the original/default AT&T APN settings (ATT Broadband) for the Tab? Silly me forgot to make a note of them before reflashing my Tab.

Many thanks!
[Galaxy Tab General] KarlMarsh:
Here is what my stock ATT APN settings are with a data only SIM

Name: ATT Broadband

APN: Broadband

Proxy: Not set

Port: Not set

Username: Not set

Password: Not set

Server: Not set

MMSC: Not set

MMS Proxy: Not set

MMS Port: Not set

MCC: 310

MNC: 410

Authentication Type: None

APN Type: Internet

Which version firmware did you flash? and how do you like the experience so far? Did you run into any problems besides the APN settings? TIA
[Galaxy Tab General] koriel:
So far, great ... tried out Roto JME, now just about to flash JMI version. Working well so far!
[Windows Phone 7 General] sammy_user:
hello i'm an android user but i have great news for you. :) Microsoft released this kb article and this means that the first update for WP7 is almost here :)

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2484484/en-us

:cool::cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Niiceg:
Old news, old... It was released some time ago...
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
yea it is a few days old, but thanks for sharing with us though and please keep us informed of anything more you may find. appreciate you taking the step to come and share with us, even if you aren't a windows phone user.
[Windows Phone 7 General] OGCF:
Yeah despite this being old, this is a big indication we could see the update between tomorrow and next week. I'm sure Microsoft wants to get the update out before or during MWC so they have something worthwhile to present there.

Also, I'm expecting details of that second update at the MIX 11 developers conference this year. After all, MS introduced WP7 at MWC and then went into more detail when MIX came around.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mayfly007:
Perhaps 7th Feb

Ive read that the update will be out on the 7th Feb.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
I wouldn't count on Feb. 7 date, it may happen but don't get your hopes up. This rumour reminds me of the MS CES tablet stuff that never really happened. The original blog that reported Feb. 7 didn't provide any proof did they?
[Windows Phone 7 General] owenw:
AFAIK, this is correct, but it's predicted for the "week of the 7th" so it could be any time next week. Can confirm the update is with carriers around the world.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
Can I ask a possibly dumb question? Why is everyone so pumped for an update?

It's just, I know it'll speed up apps loading, and add copy+paste, etc. But I mean, even without it, wp7 is such a smooth OS, I just don't know what the rush is in hoping for an "OMG UPDATEZZ!!!1!111". It's not like wp7 is broken right now, and only an update will make it useable. And honestly I've only needed to use copy/paste once, and even then it wasn't a big deal...
[Windows Phone 7 General] landwomble:
I suspect everyone will be quite disappointed by the update...
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
C & P alone is a big deal, but maybe it will fix other broken aspects of the OS like random hard-resets, messed up market, etc..
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Credibility

I suspect that none of the features/fixes in the update, by themselves or taken as a whole, will be a "big deal". For many of us, this is a test of Microsofts credibility and support for this OS. The real question is, are they going to become responsive to their user base and make serious attempts to keep current with their competition? Most of us are waiting to see how often they release updates and whether the contents of those updates are valuable to their user base. We won't know that for a few updates I am sure.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
You know what, yeah I can see that. The marketplace freezing is verrrrry annoying. Makes me feel like I'm on 6.5 again.

And this...

...frightens me a little. Haven't heard of that before.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
The real signal that the update is coming soon is when the Zune and Mac clients are updated to make backups. That's what I'm most looking forward to. Up until now there's no way to back up text messages, files, or app data and I have a lot of stuff on my phone I'd like to protect.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Seed 2.0:
I use the Samsung Focus. I've never had any Market place issues with freeze ups, Ive certainly never had a random hard reset. I've only wished hard, around 4 times since 11/8/10 that I could copy and paste. I also haven't been able to view 90% of the embedded videos on the web sites Ive visited (Flash?). I want an update.. like 3 weeks ago like the big boys at MS said I would. I want to have enough faith in MS that come next upgrade I feel excited to update my hardware not my OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Same Experience

No lags, no issues with Marketplace, no resets, no freezes, two instances when copy and paste would have been nice, but countless need for Flash. Waiting to see what MS comes through with, and then the frequency of followup updates.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
thats primarily up to Adobe.... and now that their development is outsourced to India I don't put too much faith in them...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
What's wrong with India?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It's more the outsourcing period...
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I need update. So many things missing.

Countless c&p lacks, flash..... Eeeeh, it's so annoying.

Marketplace works like crap sometimes - just hangs.

Also some apps are laggy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tiwas:
Nothing wrong with the country, but I've seen several references to how outsourcing to low-cost countries really doesn't lower the development cost...Here in Norway, it seems most of the outsourced projects gets scrapped because they never finish. Might be because it's hard to delegate to people almost on the other side of the world, might be differences in cultures etc etc.

I don't put too much trust in outsourcing at all...unless the management actually spend time with the team.
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
True to that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jmerrey:
i'm looking forward to the more efficient marketplace search and faster loading apps, both of which are said to be coming: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx

for those of us that are expecting flash, true multi-tasking, etc, i'm sure the update will be very disappointing, but that's what happens when you take rumor, internet innuendo, and just plain wishful thinking at face value
[Windows Phone 7 General] parkpy:
I find marketplace freezing more frequent nowadays on my Samsung Focus. It also affects the music app.

i wish I could enable haptic feedback when typing in vibrate mode.

I also wish I could select text when replying to e-mails.

i also wish there was an ESPN app, but that's not MS's fault.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jason.hamilton:
Its not so much as the added stuff w/ the update. Its more of the fact that MS will do what it says it will do. If MS says there will be an update, there bloody well be an update. I would really like multi tasking even in some limited form. I hate having to close out of every app to respond to a text message and then have to load it back up. I am teetering between WP7 and android. I really like WP7 but i need to know they will support the users wants/ needs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blahism:
The update is a leap of 400 in the build number if screenshots/rumors are legit. That could mean a lot of behind the scenes polishing which would be great for MS.

personally, i can't wait until the new silverlight vm and IE9 rendering engine is done but that may be WP8 heh or WP7 OSR2 or whatever MS names it :)

I can't wait for C&P now that i use the sharepoint and excel worksheets a lot.. using excel without cut and paste is lame
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Second That

Yes, it's a matter of MS actually being responsive to their user base. The next 2-3 updates will allow us to see whether they are serious about competing in this fast paced and changing marketplace. What will be more important is whether the next big update, which some refer to as WP8, will run on these first generation WP7 phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Omega Ra:
This is the real point. The OS is fairly new and if the first gen devices are already obsolete after a year....then we could see problems.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pbratton:
Outsourcing make sense from a corporate stand point, in that they have switched Employees to Contractors. Contractors will allow tax benefits and savings in the Employee Benefits provided.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
So far WP7 devices & launch feels to me like the Google Nexus One, lots of hype & excitement at the start & then dead silence & slow decline. I think it's important to maintain excitement & interest from the start & keep it going through advertising & updates, MS has clearly failed at this.

The upcoming update doesn't leap frog WP7 ahead of it's competition but just brings it closer to par with them. Copy & paste has been part of Windows Mobile for a long time so MS is even playing catchup with itself :). The lack of RDP support is strange even for a consumer oriented device. The IPhone which is clearly a consumer device has RDP clients available, & a MS device doesn't that's just laughable.

If they quickly addressed these and other shortcomings I think the majority of people would be more understanding. But as each day passes without even a definite date for the 1st update WP7 will become less & less relevant
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Agreed

Many companies have outsourced and then returned to the US. My own professional experience with outsourcing supports this. Of course, most companies outsource for all the wrong reasons, cost reduction being at the top of the list. Distance in geography and corporate culture create an entity that by its very nature, is distant from what customers expect and a poor cousin of the main company.

My personal experience with Customer Service from outsourced companies is that the experience would be laughable but for the failure to support the customer properly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tiwas:
What are you talking about? The OS supports multitasking! I, myself, are running several threads in my apps...Or are you actually talking about the OS running several programs at the same time?

Multitasking is just being able to run more than on thread at a time. No more. No less. You can say an OS is multitasking by running several programs (threads) at the same time, but that is no more "true multi-tasking" than one app doing more than one thing at once.

Now...WHY do you want all your crappily made apps to run in the background, sucking your battery dry while doing...nothing important?
[Windows Phone 7 General] darkmurder:
I want it purely for facebook chat and my gym, it sucks that I have to leave it open purely on that screen or else it exits
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Sarkastic huh?

By multitasking we mean - in the user context - we mean having few apps running together and beeing able to switch to them not with silly back button but a switcher and preventing their state.

Of course WP7 does multitask but it's limited.

There are very many scenarios when I have to reboot app because in the middle of doing something I have to do something else requiring let's say 3 apps. The workflow is broken. And the back button in some situations works in a wrong way, in the browser it stops beeing browsers back page function and acts like "multitasking" button.

For primitive actions it's fine.

For anything more serious it's embarassing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Toasit:
Who cares if it is old news... I didn't know it now I do.

Thanks mate for sharing. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Confusing multi-tasking with multi-threading, aren't we?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] ilijan:
Its possible to extrackt the radio rom and ril from hd7 and use it for hd2 on wp7?

i have this question becouse on my first htc deivice (htc diamon) was possible use the radio or ril from better device for example blackstone or tp2, its possible make same with hd2 and use the radio or ril from hd7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] iridium21:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb2011/1/prweb8101410.htm

Not good :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
well Android didn't have to compete with Android when it came on the scene, so it's hard for WP7.

webOS is basically dead now anyways.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
MS need to do something about all this PR bleeding. I have no idea what their PR people get paid for.

Of course it has lower share at launch than Android. It's absolutely natural because when Android (and especially iPhone) launched, smartphones were a niche product. And you still have to sell phones, no matter whether they are smart or not. And in order to sell many phones you need awareness, availability and, in the case of platforms such as WP7, WM or Android you also need tons of handsets because you can't make the one and only.

They got 2% share at half the market and half the period. If they sold for the whole quarter they'd get 3-4%. If they sold on all four carriers instead of two, they'd get 6-8%, maybe 10, even with the current set of devices. If they had 30 devices, they'd get even more.

This isn't half bad.

Now, why am I talking about it, not Microsoft PR? This is the question.

And, more importantly, the only thing that matters now is whether new handsets will be coming. If they will, there's no need to worry. If they won't - there's lots of reasons to worry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
1) windows mobile was such an unmitigated disaster, any mobile phone with "windows" in the title will make people stop and think

2) it's different than anything seen before

3) it's a new OS, nothing comes out and just dominates (save for the iphone in '07)

4) once people realize that Android is like a prettied up windows mobile, they will try other things
[Windows Phone 7 General] GenkaiMade:
Mm, there's a large amount of BS PR going around... people like the OP making posts about things that they don't understand in the slightest - just playing with numbers to see what comes out :/
[Windows Phone 7 General] jklier:
Also, in reference to Microsofts PR, I remember back when Android was launching I remember seeing almost non-stop TV commercials even weeks before it was released. I can say I have seen exactly zero commercial for WP7. Maybe they think since they are Microsoft they don't need to advertise.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well the OP didn't invent those numbers, he reposted them. And these numbers (with corresponding conclusions) will cover the whole internet in no time. And no matter how well-though the conclusions are, the takeaway will be that WP7 is a failure.

Companies hire PR staff exactly to not let such things happen, and to recover in case of problems such as this. It seems that MS hires PR to keep mum about everything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well maybe since they are Microsoft they shouldn't advertise. :D They suck miserably at it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] iridium21:
I beg your pardon? I didn't play with numbers, it's a direct quote. If you don't like them, it's not my fault!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Niiceg:
Well, I think that taking 2% share in 2 months is good. WP7 is new and people have to get more info about it. It's not enough, and MS should release the update faster, make their customers believe, that they won't fail. Everything will be good. WP7 is awesome
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I hope it's not the way MS think. :)

It's not nearly enough to have an awesome product to sell tons of it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Niiceg:
Well, Beginning is awesome, let's hope they will make it super awesome with adding more features :]
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
some of you guys are also forgetting that this is the same company that sold a gazillion Windows 7 licenses and three gazillion kinects. MS knows how to sell a product. Now that they are not tailoring their OS to business users anymore they will pick up the pace with this OS in time. First Q numbers just aren't going to reflect anything.

MS is such a corporate giant that they can afford a bad first year and at least get the product known, they're not Palm, who is going to go under if one phone doesn't sell.

Having said that, I personally do not know one person who owns a WP7 phone or has even heard of the OS besides me, so the general public just see commercials and are like "what the hell is that?" then go into the store and buy an iPhone or an Evo.

Those WP7 commercials basically suck though. they don't say **** about the OS or what it can do, all they say are "look how beautiful it is" or "I can open my camera app one second faster than other people" or "I don't have to look at my phone as long as other users" - maybe that's because you don't have **** for apps? I wouldn't brag about that.

Where are the commercials on the fluidity of the OS? the facebook integration? the battery life? the ease of user-experience? the lack of lag, force closes, or reboots? the fact that there aren't 50 thousand versions of the OS that drive developers crazy? the fact of phones on all 4 networks (soon) as opposed to iPhones on the 2 most expensive networks in the country?

come on, ADVERTISE!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bjd223:
Yeah tell me about it. The Xbox franchise hasn't made any money until just recently and they didn't think twice about putting mucho bucks into the platform. Thats like 10 years and billions lost but now they will make that money back and then some.

I saw an interview with BIll G. and Steve J. before the iphone was launched and Bill was talking about what was required for a smartphone to become popular and Steve looked like he was taking some mental notes. Funny enough is Apple pretty much followed what Bill said to a T and knocked it out of the park.

MS knows how to build great platforms and sell them. As long as they can stick it out long enough they will be fine. I think the only reason they killed the Zune is because all that is now rolled up into WP7 and sales were poor anyway, even though it was a great device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Damn Microsoft, they killed Milo and Kate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tchimev:
It is too early to be disapointed.

May be after a year, or after MWC 2011.

I hope thay present new devices and new features for WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
As was pointed out at wpcentral.com, the article in the OP's post talks about market share, not sales. Of course WP7 isn't going to pass the marketshare of WM, since WM already existed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
that and you also need to take into account what the survey was looking at. was it looking at just 1 country? globally? if it was globally, it is also unfair as windows phone 7 is only selling in a handful of countries compared to windows mobile where windows mobile is actually still very popular across middle east and western asia (india).
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
To all those who say they are disappointed in what the OS right now all I have to ask is do you see yourself switching to anything else in the future?

Disappointed start is 100% on bad commercials.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
If every single smartphone sold to anyone in the last quarter was running WP7, that would probably only bring its market share up to about 12%.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
I for one think the results are fairly good. Of course they could have been better, but it doesn't give a full picture as it's based on a period of roughly 6 weeks (even if it was based on global sales - as stock levels were non-existant up until, and a while after, the US launch).

I do agree they need to step up their marketing though. If I see another "glance" advert I'm gonna puke. Show off the actual functionality instead. Show how Zune Pass works. The way ilomilo plays compared to the actual Xbox version. Show off some of the apps available, specifically killer apps that are available on multiple platforms, pick the ones on WP7 which completely obliterates the competition in terms of look and feel. That's whats gonna sell phones. Not some friggin "put your phone away" message.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Not to mention we only had half a quarter, the half in which people are more concerned with buying xmas presents
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
The timing was perfect. Phones are christmas presents.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
In wealthier families perhaps. In the general public an average of 120 dollars is spent per child... that'll get you a g1 definitely not a WP7 device. High end people for the most part are complete tools and just go for the iphone. That release strategy really didn't do them any favors.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
The holiday season is the best time to sell anything. 199 would have gotten you 2 WP7 devices. In canada 199 would have gotten you a WP7 device and a free Xbox 360 with any game.

The timing was perfect, the launch and marketing wasn't.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
On average people dont get near that much worth for christmas... of course that's just average... I think spring is the best time for phone releases or perhaps just before tax season honestly. Christmas in theory is good but in practice I dont think so. Not that any of their marketing has been doing them any favors
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
you do realize that those numbers are overall marketshare, not just new headsets. So those winmo numbers are from years of being there and are down 3% from last report. WP7 just came on the scene 2 months ago.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I disagree, when I got my phone 2 weeks after US launch, quite a lot of people had already seen commercials, either the MS ones or the at&t ones. Of course t-mobile has android on the brain and isn't advertising, but I have to give them a pass because they were the only ones that advertised winmo.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
Absolutely correct! These figures do NOT mean that WM sold more than WP7 it is total market share, not new sales, personally I think going from 0 to 2% market share in 6 weeks is encouraging. Alson if anyone needs any further proof that the delightfully tweakable multi functional but too complicated for your average joe wm6.5 was the wrong model for microsoft, the figures support that too.

There is also a lesson here that you have to be very careful not to misinterpret statistics. having said all that, MS do need to step up their marketing game thay need a "Droid Does" moment, that campaign was widely acknowledged to give android a massive boost stateside.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Cleaned Thread!

Deleted off topic.

If you can not keep this thread clean, I'll close.