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[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Torridred04:
Thanks a lot for the feedback guys, it is much appreciated. I also apologize if this topic has been brought up before, just wanted to hear from people coming from where I am and this helps a lot.

In all honesty the software updates are something that is rather important to me. Multimedia playback is nothing I would worry about and neither is the micro sd slot, as I've used my Cappy without one till a week ago. I'm assuming the lack of roms is due to both the phone and 2.3 being so new?

In regards to the benchmarks I have to say I do agree with you kenvan. After doing a bunch of research, both on the Nexus S and on my phone, I felt very bitter. Take Quadrant Advanced for example, now as a whole I agree this benchmark tool is rather questionable in terms of everyday real world usage, but focus on the CPU portion. No matter what 2.2/2.2.1 rom/update you have on your SGS, even overclocked to 1.4ghz, you're lucky to meet the Nexus One Snapdragon halfway. I then got curious so reverted back to the Nexus S system dump (may have said that wrong) and booted that up and ran Quadrant Advanced. As I thought and as I'd seen on screenshots online, the Nexus S with the same Hummingbird processor as our SGS, pulled the exact same CPU score (virtually) as the Nexus One with the Snapdragon. However they did, they fully optimized it for the Hummingbird application on the Nexus S. It's things like these that make me want the Nexus S so I do not get left behind.

Again, thanks for the responses guys!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
You're right, Quadrant isn't really a good tool for determining how a phone performs in the real world but take a look at the score in this link and tell me it doesn't make you want to show off a little, hehe. My sister's boyfriend just got a Droid X and was showing it off last time I saw him. I can't wait to shove my 4k+ quadrant score in his face lol.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Torridred04:
Haha that's gnarly!! As a whole, i disregard that application, but seeing that is just plain sick haha! But you understand my point. Most ill informed individuals i've spoken to claim the Hummingbird as a fail period and I think the Nexus S is here to show otherwise. I love this community and it's developers and all in it's entirety, but we do also at the same time need official updates, and I think that Quadrant CPU portion definitely shows that.

Also curious, is the Nexus S a lot more friendly to overclocking? I know all cpus are different, period, but in relative to the SGS. I just see that many are using that 1.4ghz kernel and was curious as to the stability. On my cappy I'm solid at 1.3ghz using Paragon's kernel, 1.4ghz is matter of when it will freeze lol.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
We currently have one dev working on kernels and he is up to 1.6GHz. Its not really what you'd call stable yet. Most of his builds past 1.3GHz are still in beta (none of them support bluetooth yet) and some people have issues with them. But once he gets some more time and can work on getting them more stable they will definitely work as daily drivers. I used his 1.4GHz kernel for CM7 as a daily driver for a while actually, the only downside was no bluetooth for my headset lol but it was still blazing. I started having trouble with gmail so I wiped everything and did a clean install and I'm having issues with his higher clock kernels so like I said its hit or miss. The power is there, its just a matter of harnessing it. I did read a posting once about a 1.8GHz OC for the Nexus S but I've never seen any real confirmation of it.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nailerr:
I tried to answer this in some depth (and am not quite finished yet, been busy!) at http://technocrate.net - specifically for Galaxy S owners.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zephiK:
Wrong. Some phones have more developer support than other phones.

Since you labeled "any Android Phone," that includes Motorola phones. I have to disagree with this, if you're looking to flash custom ROMs and you're a flashaholic then definitely Nexus S. CyanogenMod is just too amazing to give up, this is one thing that the Galaxy S does not have.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
The 1.3 (1300 Mhz) works with Bluetooth

it's the best compromise to get the full feature of the phone

i can't live without Bluetooth, use it practically every hour
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
that only applies to some models of the Moto line up, not all Moto are locked ... or better said, they are loosely locked

and Moto already "promised" to have optional unlockable boot for newer devices after the scandal incident they just had

and even for devices that are locked, there are custom ROMs that piggybacks to the OEM boot loader

obviously if you are a flashoholic then it's better to stay with HTC devices, as the Samsung ones are not quite at par yet :D
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
I have the Galaxy S i9000 on AT&T, but switched to the Nexus S as my primary phone and it replaced my N1 as my secondary phone.

The i9000 has plenty of custom roms out for it. It's a great device, but I really prefer the form factor of the NS over the i9000 and its clones (Vibrant, Fascinate). The curved screen and heftier build just feel more comfortable in the hand and less prone to dropping.

The Captivate's built much differently. I haven't played with them too much, but the limited time I've held one, it's the best built and feeling of the current 4" Galaxy S phones other than the NS.

The AT&T version is still just a rumor based on someone's comment isn't it?

I'm not sure the NS is really worth a $500 side-grade from the Captivate, unless you really value the alleged head-of-the-line for new versions of Android software that the Nexus line has (N1 owners who supposedly should be are still fuming over no 2.3 for them yet). The display is the same, they both have a flash, they're both solidly built, etc.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Torridred04:
Again, thanks everyone for the responses, this really helps narrow things down. The Captivate being my first android device has just left me wanting more and im waiting to move on to the next device. I love the fact that I can flash I9000 roms and captivate roms. Heck I've gotten Vibrant roms nearly fully working on my phone(minus gps, probably driver issue) The versatility of this phone is amazing! I guess I want the Nexus S because of its similarities, the plain Android experience, and the software updates.

I can't recall if we are allowed to post links, so i will not, but Google search Nexus S Rogers/Bell/Telus. They say they've confirmed bringing the AWS spectrum to Mobilicity as well as standard spectrum for Rogers and such. I've wanted this device so much I was debating just getting the AWS version using Edge lol had to use my phone on E for a couple days to see if i could do it lol. The only other device I'd probably look at is the Inspire as my girlfriend will be getting the Atrix.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RogerPodacter:
Remember the first gen snapdragon CPU in the nexus one beats the hummingbird in many specific kinds of tests. CPU vs CPU they are very close. The hummingbird graphics is where the huge advantage lies.

It will be a glorious day when the nexus s gets the graphics update that the galaxy s phones have to finally utilize graphics in the web browser etc. Until then the nexus one actually out performs the nexus s on some heavy websites.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnkim0011:
I need a new phone because my current Windows Mobile 6.5 phone is broken and I'm bit hesitating because of Galaxy S 2. I suppose it will be announced at Barcelona but really, it won't be released till April or May right?

But is it worth it to buy Nexus S now, as we head toward February?

So I'm just stuck whether to purchase unlocked or with 2 year contract.

I don't want to root or install custom ROM so it seems like Nexus is the 'it' for me.

I have a high-end Walkman player so I don't mind too much about using Nexus S as movies or pictures, but I suppose I could use it as a quick photograph or video recording as needed.

I'm mostly buying this for e-mail and web browsing.

I managed to not go over 50MB data plan + 200 text message for $9.99 per month by taking advantage of mobile sites, e-mail [not downloading attachments], and some app uses from time to time [e.g. Google Maps, Bing to search for numbers].

I think we're paying about $124 right now as a family of 4, and none of them has data plan. I have $9.99 data/text plan, and one of my other family member has 1000 text plan [which I think is $9.99]. We have FamilyTime 700 plan.

Would there be a plan to reduce the cost while renewing my 2 year contract with $30 data plan?

If I change the plan for entire family, would other 3 members renew their contract too or just myself? Two of them recently renewed their contracts with feature phones.

Or I'm just thinking about getting unlocked and get the 200MB plan.

But I'm not sure if that's enough nowadays. I don't mind using mobile sites because that's what I've been doing, but I was told many apps that use data run simultaneously. I guess I will use more apps than before too.

Is Best Buy's screen protector applying service worth it? I was manage to put Invisible Shield on my Walkman and it looks really nice, but I messed up few times in the past.. and it seems like if I miss the first time, I noticed that dusts and other particle remains.

Is there software like iTunes or KIES for Nexus S? I prefer not using companion softwares..

This is Best Buy's 10% coupon and 'no-contract phone' is eligible for discount. Is this true?

I'm just worried that I might be tempted to upgrade when new Nexus series comes out so I don't want to get locked myself into 2 year contract.

That was pretty long.. sorry and thank you! :)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Andrew421:
The nexus s is a fast phone and it requires data. You may not need unlimited data but you will need some. I think t-mo has a minimum of 200MB. If you plan on using it more than that (downloading apps or streaming music when not on wifi) then you'll need more data. The best buy screen protector installing service worked well for me. Make sure you check it before you leave. If it's not to your liking make them use a new one and get it right. I'm not sure about the coupon. I doubt it will count because of the phone being so new and exclusive. If you're buying the phone for you then you don't have to worry about the other users on your plan upgrading because it's only for your number. The nexus line will come out with a new phone sooner or later but it doesn't matter. The nexus 1 is having 2.3 roll out sooner or later and it will be there eventually. So it shouldn't matter what you get. If you like the phone itself then get it. I have it and i love it. Hope this helped.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ruben8448:
Sadly best buy's 10% coupon will not work, they trick you there cause i tried it. They say 10% off no contract phones but they really mean phones from Boost Mobile or something of that sort. They would not give me the 10% when i bought the phone. Also, the 200mb plan is really short. I used a lot of data and i went over 200mb in the first 2 days so you have to be real careful and turn off all syncing.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] apreichner:
[Q] Buying the NS from Best Buy

Alright so I made the decision: It's time for me to get a new phone and retire my T-Mobile G1. I'm under my moms plan right now but she stopped using a phone on it and I'm going to have her cancel the plan, and I'll just get a new one of my own.

What is the process for buying and starting a new T-Mobile plan at Best Buy? Was it instant or did it have some kind of wait period. Also, how much was the insurance offered for the device?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenvan19:
No waiting period at all and $9.99. Its pretty much like setting one up at Tmobile.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnkim0011:
What I used to do to save data are

1) Do not download attachment

2) Limit the size of e-mail download

3) Download/update apps only through WiFi

4) I do not use data intensive apps such as YouTube over 3G.

I would prefer getting $30 data plan too so I don't have to worry about it. But I doubt I will use significantly more data than before, so I'm not too sure.

Is there 1 year contract? Or is it possible for me to sell my current Nexus once new one comes out and maybe buy next Nexus series as unsubsidized?

The thing is I may have to leave here around Fall 2012 (maybe in September), so I will not be able to fulfill 2 year contract. Would the penalty be very large?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Frostlord:
Checklist

Hi all

i am getting my nexus S soon and i would like to double check my checklist for factory defects and other bugs

1) GPS lock time

what speed is acceptable? less than 30 secs?

2) dead pixel

open google.com and find for black spot? is my method of checking right?

3) screen responsiveness

4) call blocking?

can nexus S do this?

5) phone reboot during calls

as seen here hxxp://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=13674

is there anyway to reproduce this result? if i call someone for 5 mins and the phone did not restart does this mean my phone is not affected by this issue?

Thanks all for the help. the reason im doing this is because Nexus S is not available in my country and i am COD-ing with another seller for this phone. Eventhough its under warranty, it is better if i can get a set without any major factory defects :D

if i miss out anything, please remind me ;)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
From T-Mobile's website:
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jornbjorn:
There will ALWAYS be a new phone around the corner... so just stick with your nokia and always dream about the new stuff ;)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gogol:
Unless it runs Android Honeycomb 3.0, it will not be optimized for dual core.

Read about Android 3.0.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abhilashraj:
check out this thread (towards the bottom of the first post)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=882815

Possible Known Issues(Reported by some users but not all):

Lag in the Web Browser

Back button is not responsive or doesn't light up

Pink / white / yellow tint on the screen

Weak WiFi signal

Weak cell signal (not necessarily specific to the Nexus S; T-Mobile's frequencies typically have bad building penetration)

Some apps running wild consuming battery

Missing apps in market (until Google updates to recognize 2.3.1 buildprint)

Accelerometer becomes "locked" after using Google Sky Maps requiring a reboot to free

Ringtones changing on their own following reboot/USB plugin (Push the .mp3 to /system/media/audio/ringtones to stop this *requires rooting*)

Stock launcher has home screen/scrolling lag issues (not present on market launchers like ADW/LauncherPro)

Home screen icons on stock launcher randomly disappear, disappear after move, or show up in folders they weren't moved to. (not present on market launchers like ADW/LauncherPro)
[Nook Color General] NikolaiT:
Hi. I'm using rooke1's Eclair/Froyo Dual-Boot (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=920347) and I tried to install the market (2.2.11), it installs but it gets to "Loading..." then FC's (without the FC prompt). I was wondering if there was a fix for that. I have tried putting it in /system/app then installing but I get a parse error then. Thank You!
[Nook Color General] thiggy1342:
i'm having the same issue
[Nook Color General] veri4u:
the same issue

I have the same issue. The solution in the Nook froyo wiki page didn't work. Hope to hear any successful story.
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] mbergh22:
Hey what is the best screen protector for the g2? Are the ones at tmobile any good? I had a invisiablesheild and it is already coming off after 4 months or so
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] luis86dr:
Realook is good. Been using it for months and hasn't came out at all. Also washable. You can wash and reappply as much as you want.

Search on amazon.

Realook g2

[G2/HTC Vision]
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] mbergh22:
Well I ended up going with clear protector cause a friend recommended it
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] wigwag:
you know that invisasheilds have lifetime warrantys so you can get it replaced for free. just go to your nearest mall and take your old 1 and ask for a new 1
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] jaoyina:
i always bought the cheapest one, they worked very well.
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] liht:
I had GhostArmor on my TP2 and it was awesome. I have the tmobile screen protector on my G2 and its a little fuzzy, but it works. Might have to ghost armor my g2...but its $15 for the screen and $5 to install...blech.
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] mannyftw:
I'm using the Skinomi protector. Works excellently and it doesn't orange.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] lost_man10002:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0qsg4aYzkk&hd=1

this is out on andriod its a fun tower defense game too bad it lags a little even overclocked i ramped da graphics down some just to play it without super lag but all in all a fun game...check it out
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Machaon15:
Dungeon Defenders on EVO - Best ROM?

I've experimented a bit but wonder what you all are thinking. I think we can all agree it sucks on stock. I run it on CM6 and it is MUCH better than stock. The CM6 kernel is pretty excellent but wifi issues and the hope for even marginal benefit prompted me to try SnapTurbo 7.6 kernels. BFS was worse than the default kernel but I like the CFS. A little zippier, but nothing mind-blowing. I'm thinking of trying myn's warm RLS5 and baked snack 1.9. Has anyone already tried to run Dungeon Defenders on either of those two?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Machaon15:
I got impatient and tried these things on my own last night. The summary of it all is that I'm back to CM6 w/ SnapTurbo 7.6 CFS! I flashed the different ROMs & Kernels with the primary goal of running Dungeon Defenders nicely. My findings:

myn's warm twopointwo: looks very nice, for one. DD doesn't run well on the default kernal but was tolerable with KiNgxKernal #11 CFS. If I ever live in a 4G area I'll likely flash this guy again

Baked Snack 1.9: not good. Uglier version of Sense/myn's with less features. DD was very choppy

So, like I said, I'm back to CyanogenMod 6.1.2 with the CFS SnapTurbo (turbo mode enabled, no doi!) because it's quick, clean, runs DD well, free wireless hotspot and I don't have regular access to 4G anyhow.

I hope this helps save some time for people like me who simply want Dungeon Defenders to run well on an EVO 4G!
[Gen8 Android Development] p0rk burn:
$auron's feedback results graph:
[Gen8 Android Development] $aur0n:
I've created script with some io tests (based on bonnie++) - it should check both raw r/w and small files operations. It should be more precise that above script with dd (witch is of course also good ;) - but can be not fully true if some sd cards prefer some specific block sizes)

Since UrukDroid 0.6 this script is installed by default. For older releases you can use this one:

File: UrukDroid-0.5-iobench.tbz2.

Save it with browser directly on Archos to /data/UrukUpdate (not over USB!).

How to run test?

To run the test, connect archos to power supply and run from shell

su
iobench.sh

Test run looks like this:

[root@localhost tst]# iobench.sh
Turning on max CPU frequency: 1000000 hz
Performing disk (/data) IO test. Test make take about 1h on slower systems - please connect device to power supply!
Done: 0%...12%...20%...28%...36%...44%...52%...60%...68%...76%...84%...92%...100%
------------------- Please report this data ---------------------
Your throughput score is: 4847.8
Your metadata score is: 2328.3
localhost,128M,2242,78,6313,6,5014,5,2984,98,17486,9,20.3,0,16,93,1,+++++,+++,73,0,94,1,+++++,+++,68,0
SDCard by LEXAR (0x1:) manufacture date 10/2010, oemid 0x4245
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Restoring previous cpu setting....

What does tests do?

It creates files with different method (per char, per block, in sequential or random order) - this is throughput part.

Second tests check how fast we can create/access/remove files. More you can read about tool called bonnie++ on Internet.

So called score is just for you - it may be not precise, full precise data are in line below score.

How to report results?

I've tried to get as much data as I can from system level - but it does not give info about class level and brand name of SD card (witch can be different from manufacturer name). So this data must be added by user. My proposal is:

In performance details please cut/paste results from iobench.sh output - lines between ---- -----

How to buy cards?

Check graph from second post and try to get card that has possibly best metadata operation with throughput. Thumb rule is not to buy cards that has metadata operations below average - that is below red line.
[Gen8 Android Development] Ripper2K8:
Scores

I used the dd test and got the following scores:

Lexar 2GB, unclassified: 6,25MB/s

Adata 4GB, class6: 6,25MB/s

Sandisk 8GB, class 2: 6,66MB/s

Sandisk 8GB, class 4: 6,0MB/s (and dead now, so not available for future tests.... :eek:

Not helping much I quess....

But maybe this helps:

I also tested under Windows with HD Speed from steelbytes, I found the standard block sizes of up to 8KB resulted in horrible, unstable performance. From 256KB up to 1MB performance became much more stable.
[Gen8 Android Development] $aur0n:
Well - after few tests made by people - we will see if overall filling is connected with some test results. Or we need to do other tests - like iozone (witch tries different portion of data sizes during write)
[Gen8 Android Development] $aur0n:
Manufacturer/brand name: Lexar

Card size: 16GB

Card class: 6

Card URL: http://www.lexar.com/products/lexar-high-speed-microsdhc-card-performance-kit

Filesystem type: ext4

Performance feelings: Ok - better then internal system on ext3 (haven't checked internal with ext4)

Performance details:

------------------- Please report this data ---------------------

Your throughput score is: 4847.8

Your metadata score is: 2328.3

localhost,128M,2242,78,6313,6,5014,5,2984,98,17486,9,20.3,0,16,93,1,+++++,+++,73,0,94,1,+++++,+++,68,0

SDCard by LEXAR (0x1:) manufacture date 10/2010, oemid 0x4245

-----------------------------------------------------------------

------------------- Please report this data (V2) -------------------

Your throughput score is: 3638.25

Your metadata score is: 401.833

1.96,1.96,urukdroid,1,1299006218,128M,,69,91,1693,2,1483,1,524,96,19249,11,17.5,0,25,10,1,,,32,1,1268,16,51,1,31,1,1214,18,37,0,1704ms,13439ms,9781ms,109ms,54443us,4825ms,5339ms,102ms,6353ms,6252ms,519ms,5496ms

SDCard by LEXAR (0x1:) manufacture date 10/2010, oemid 0x4245

------------------------------------------------------------------
[Gen8 Android Development] cjdalessio:
Manufacturer/brand name: Kingston

Card size: 16GB

Card class: 10

Card URL: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036V9AGU

Perforce feeling: Ok - bit better than internal system on average, except Media Scan which takes FOREVER (may not be due to card - it has no media on it whatsoever)

I'll dig up numbers again specifically, but a previous test on the vfat partition rendered results in the mid 6MB/S ballpark if I remember correctly. Kingston is known for being a bit on the slow side of things.

------------------- Please report this data ---------------------

Your throughput score is: 5398.4

Your metadata score is: 28952.1

localhost,128M,2045,72,7866,8,5461,5,2974,98,18296,10,14.1,0,16,28,0,28295,45,24,0,25,0,+++++,+++,16,0

SDCard by SD16G (0x3:) manufacture date 09/2010, oemid 0x3432

-----------------------------------------------------------------
[Gen8 Android Development] nimrodity:
I die a Test on the internal disk with ext4

------------------- Please report this data ---------------------

Your throughput score is: 6221

Your metadata score is: 2419.4

localhost,128M,2768,84,11084,11,7622,7,3322,97,16709,9,147.4,0,16,86,1,+++++,+++,61,0,87,1,+++++,+++,58,0