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[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
I dont disagree. When i actually was getting service that was decent for the value I had no complaints. But now... I kinda see why Verizon has to charge more to be able to maintain their network the way that they do.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Well, not to the extent that they do, but I agree too. Sprint definitely has money; They're just spending on retarded bull**** like NASCAR sponsorship and rights to the Nascar and Football Live apps.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
I mean, it really just depends on how you look at it. Like I pointed out before, for my line with the TB on VZW its only $13 more a month than I was paying on Sprint with the Evo. And I could've easily gone a talk only plan minus texts and just used GV solely for that.. would've actually been cheaper than my Sprint plan. Only reason I didnt is because I have nephews in another city and my sister sends me a good bit of MMS so that would've been a problem. Im sure someone will come in with the "but with the family plans" and "but we get free Sprint navigation, vvm" blah blah blah, but im just saying for me the difference isnt bad at all. Same amount of minutes, 4G I can actually use and better coverage when im on the backroads going to Huntsville.

If VZW lowered their prices to match Sprint do you honestly think they'd be able to maintain a network with 3 times the amount of people AND still buildout not only their 3G but LTE network... making it more dense like they do now? I really dont believe so. Plus all of that extra cash/people allows em to be able to get a broader selection of handsets. Some people are content with 1 or 2 good phones a year. But me personally, if there were options id probably change phones every 6 months. When I was GSM before I came to Sprint I used to do it pretty regularly. There will always be tradeoffs, but im just sayin though... its not nearly as bad as people on here make it seem.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
You know that you can send MMS to email addresses by default right? Just tell her to put in your email address where your number would normally go. PS I would not go for the Thunderbolt; IMO it's just a slightly faster Evo with worse battery life (although the data speeds are a tease). I used to be with T-Mobile and more recently AT&T before Sprint. With T-Mobile, coverage pretty much sucked, even over here in NYC, but this was before data was a popular thing so for data it didn't matter (I had a dinky Nokia 3595). Then with AT&T I had a Razr V3, SE W580i and then I bought an iPhone 2G off a friend for $60. I never had a data plan ever until I came to Sprint, and I cancelled my texting with AT&T too because they're like the GSM version of Verizon.

I think Sprint is the most fairly-priced national carrier, but they just need to improve their damn network! If they're in the process of upgrading it, they should f*cking say that instead of shrugging and saying they don't know what's going on.
[EVO 4G General] Axe-08:
This happened to me when i was on an aosp rom and then i switched to a sense rom and it is soo much better
[EVO 4G General] 2k4mach:
ding ding ding, thats all i ask for if that is what there doing yet all they say is thanks for being patient or ill check into the issue and get back to you :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] hypersonicx:
Vs Sprint, does Verizon remove the 5GB cap if you use the 4G LTE network with no ovarages and no throttling? On Sprint I think they told me if I go over 5GB on Sprint/3G there might be some throttling or charges but as long as I stay on the 4G WiMax its truly unlimited.

On 4G speeds I was surprised how much data I go through now vs when I was with TMobile crappy network. I go through 4-5GB data a day now that Im on Sprint 4G. But I have good coverage here so it kinda goes by with me even noticing lol.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Hopefully because of this, Sprint no longer has to pay Verizon for data roaming: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...o-share-networks-for-mobile-data-traffic.html
[EVO 4G General] jblazea50:
Wonder when this will go into effect. If this is implemented soon, I'll be using Verizon PRL all the time.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
There will probably still be limits. Sprint just won't have to pay for it like they do right now. I know Sprint and Verizon already have roaming agreements. This is aimed at the regional carriers.
[EVO 4G General] :
I switched from sprint to verizon for the thunderbolt and I hope you guys get the network speeds you deserve soon. I just paid my ETF and moved on. Anyway, with verizon i pay $39. for my voice, no texts, $29 for unlimited data (no extra $10 fee for smartphones). Asked in store, on phone, read contract and there is truly unlimited 4g/LTE for now (also free unlimited hotspot tethering until may 15th). Nobody knows if early thunderbolt/LTE adapters will be grandfathered in when tiered verizon 4g data plans arrive this year (rumored). I get awesome 4g coverage so I dont even think about the 3g 5gb limit.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
There are no caps on phones, only the data cards. As far as throttling, they tell you up front that they throttle the top 5% of LTE data hogs so there's no issue there.
[EVO 4G General] irishgreen:
hey

hey all new to this whole rooting an rom thing..im already addicted!!..LOL
[EVO 4G General] Nate14:
Erm... welcome aboard.
[EVO 4G General] jblazea50:
So I was talking to a advanced tech rep on Monday trying to fix my dad's evo. She mentioned to me that all my 4 lines have credit to it. It is $70 per line (total $280) if I renew my 2 year agreement. I didn't accept it and said I would think it over.

Well, today I chatted with a rep trying to get some more info. He told me yes I still have the credit available if I decide to renew 2 year agreement on any of the lines. He also mentioned that I can either get the $70 credit for just 2 year agreement or get the full $150 credit towards upgrade on all 4 lines. He said that I would get the same price as it shows online. I asked him if this expires anytime and said it won't. I tried to get some info about the Nexus S and Evo 3D, but he didn't have any new info. However, he did say that I can use the full upgrades on those phones when they are released.

Now, since this was via chat, I have the transcript emailed to me so if someone says that I can't get the upgrade prices I can easily show the transcript and Sprint would have to honor it.

I hope the Nexus S comes out soon.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
They don't have to honor it. I was in a similar situation trying to replace my defective Evo with a brand new one. I had a chat transcript saved and emailed Dan@sprint.com with it and they said the employee made a mistake. In that end I did get the replacement but I had to fight long and hard for it.
[EVO 4G General] culua:
Wake up people. From experience with all carriers ived had there'll the same. When I had ATT I lived down a hill by the freeway 163 I barely got signal and the speed would drop. Then I switch to Tmobile I great reception but the speed slow at times too. You cant expect 100% perfect.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
100% perfect? We're barely 10% perfect. In fact, if you do the math, (average of 100 kbps/1400 kbps), we're about 7% perfect.
[EVO 4G General] culua:
I' have Sprint and I get problem here and there. So if your unhappy about Sprint service then cancel it or you can patiently wait for them to fix it.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
I don't want to leave them because all the other carriers pretty much suck (except maybe T-Mobile, in certain areas). I've been waiting for 4 months, and some people longer. I think that's being patient.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
except the minimum acceptable speed you should get is 600 :P so that makes it about 17%. Hah
[EVO 4G General] Nate14:
Hey fellas got another question, can someone explain throughput for me? I finally got to talk to an advanced tech and there are 5 towers in my state that are failing at this.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
He's probably saying it's a capacity issue. Again, they should straight up tell us this.
[EVO 4G General] Nate14:
You know the guy I talked to made it seem like they were unaware of this problem but it seems like too major of a problem for not one person in Colorado to call about this. Sad sad Sprint...
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
I totally agree. Even here in NYC. In Florida, Texas, etc. No one state is more important than the other, but this is a HUGE problem. They treat each issue as though they're isolated. I keep telling them this is happening everywhere I go but they insist at only checking out the tower by my house...
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
I hit an all new time low back in Idaho today. 6k down, 20k up on 3G for 5 tests.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
The problem is I don't doubt them when they say they care, but they're keeping us in the dark and they could be doing nothing for all we know.

EDIT: Wow...idk if it's just CM7, but I'm getting like 2-3 Mbps down on 4G when I usually get at least 8-10 Mbps...

EDIT #2: ...Definitely not my phone. Back on Sprint Lover's (stock Sense), getting between 900 kbps - 1.8 Mbps down, 150-800 kbps up. So basically, 4G is acting like 3G, and 3G is acting like 1x. Great.
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
This s*$t has dragged on for far too long.this is byond ridiculous.:mad:
[EVO 4G General] 2k4mach:
ive been seeing that more and more this past week or so. my 4G is usually testing out around 500-700k and 256k up, needless to say it sucks.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
That just makes me madder. So we have 3G that isn't 3G. 4G that isn't 4G. We can't use our phones like they were advertised, and Sprint won't tell us what the **** is going on with their network. Perfect. I won't forget this.
[EVO 4G General] kamasi36:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=amjuw&s=7

Nothing wrong with 4G in Ca. I get 5-8 over 4GB in one day streaming MLB on my xoom.
[EVO 4G General] 2k4mach:
Yup its basically rendering my phone as useless other than making vouce calls.

Sent using magic
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
I'm good on 3g, for whatever reason I can't post the shootme pic but I'm getting 1.8-2.2 down in a steel room here in Everett, WA.

Pocket posted...
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
Anyone know why I can't upload my pics via xda app? It keeps saying invalid file format.

Pocket posted...
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
If you use Dropbox, do this. Upload the pic to Dropbox via the app, go to the photo in the dropbox app, long-press it and hit Copy Link. Go into the XDA app, type
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
7 blocks from my house, 1.9 down, 700 up. I have a feeling this won't last long
[EVO 4G General] 12gage:
I'm trying to do this but that file says read only for me and won't allow me to edit, any way around that?
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Just download AdFree from the Market. Choose custom IP, type what you want. Then hit Download & Install Hosts.
[EVO 4G General] 12gage:
thank you that worked great, now all of the ad free web addresses have the 0.0.0.0, but the local host still says 127.0.0, does that matter?
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
If you're trying to use the xda app then it only accepts JPEG. It won't let you upload png files for some reason. You can use picsay in the market it automatically converts pics to JPEG.

~ d3rk
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
http://db.tt/Qmn0PKR

http://db.tt/uTTkrJs

Pocket posted...
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Guys check out these awesome speeds I'm getting on campus: 66 kbps down, 103 kbps up. By specification, 1x is faster than this...
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
Tried the picsay route, here goes...

Pocket posted...
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Sorry, I guess the code got parsed. You just have to put [IMG] [/IMG] tags around the URL.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Much easier than drop box because we can see it without downloading it. Win lol

~ d3rk
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Dude,

[IMG]http://db.tt/Qmn0PKR[/IMG]

[IMG]http://db.tt/uTTkrJs[/IMG]

=

Just wrap image tags around the URL from Dropbox.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Yeah but with picsay I don't have to do all that work. Ill pass......

~ d3rk
[EVO 4G General] 4redstars:
EDIT: two minutes later and it went back to 1X

I've tried this before and it didn't work, just did it now and my speeds just went up 700kbps...

Thanks for the reminder!
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
So after 1100+ posts, I think the conclusion is pretty obvious for now. There little reason to argue or debate this much further. Sprint needs to complete its' upgrades, then we can evaluate it again. Sure misery loves company, but I don't think we're getting anywhere.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Im honestly questioning whether there's even any upgrades going on at the towers here. The one near me I ride past it everyday and I havent seen anyone out there doing anything.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Ditto.
[EVO 4G General] cds36:
Mine is absolutely sucking ass right now as well
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Lol that's like mine backwards.
[EVO 4G General] craigbailey1986:
Just thought I shed some light on my current status... it has been constantly getting better here in ga

Notice the time frame. They are during peak times and non peak time and still getting good dl time, my ul time vary a lot but it doesn't take long to upload items to dropbox or xda
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You guys understand that when they're speaking of "working on the towers" it's generally for something like replacing/upgrading switches and other such work...not something that you're going to see by looking at the tower...right?

I mean, it's not like they add some extra metal to the tower or something :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Also, there is a ton of towers... and they are doing a nation wide upgrade so.. yeah.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
No they're not, amibdd, we all know that Sprint is okay with these speeds and this is apart of their business plan. :rolleyes:

Come on now. :p
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Yea... a 7 month tower upgrade in this area I guess. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I honestly don't believe you about the "7 months"

I'll believe this issue has been going on for a few months though. I've had the issue for 7 weeks.

If you've continued service for 7 months like this then it is no one's fault but your own that you continue to pay for it.

Because I know one thing...I want to keep Sprint...I like most of their philosophy's but they're coming to the end of MY patience and it hasn't been 2 months yet.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
It's been 4 months for me. I don't really have a choice of sticking with them or not; I'm a college freshman and it's my dad who pays the bill. We both love gadgets and computers, but he's sick of hearing me talk about my phone so much, so it's not like I can even bring it up. Plus, the only other carrier I'd go to is T-Mobile, and their phone selection isn't so hot. Overall, I love Android, but the network quality has been so bad the last 4 months that all I've been doing is texting, Facebook, and calling, things which could easily be done on a Blackberry.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I understand how bad it is and I understand the situation people are in but 7 months of practically no service?

It's hard to justify allowing that.

What's going on here is an overload of the towers.

The switches are set up to drop overloads to 1x when the 3g service is overloaded.

That is why you're finding people with CM7 getting more "1x" lately and also why the speeds are the way they are.

They've been upgrading the internal network [switches etc] throughout the network.

I've also been told that they are getting close to the end of these issues.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Twice ever have I been dropped to 1x (and yes I've been on CM7, I know Sense always shows 3G). How come they tell you this? They haven't told me any of this at all. And again, aside from their pricing, they haven't offered any incentive to stay; the dude I've been talking to just says "I can't do this, I can't do that. Please don't leave". In fact, the only thing he DID offer me was to see if he could waive the ETF if I decide to leave. I made it clear to him that I was contemplating it, not that I definitely would, just to see what he would say. Nothing.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I don't know why they tell me and not you.

I will post the email to the tech division I've been talking to tomorrow when I speak to them again.

He told me that he's going to call me tomorrow because they have an open ticket for our area with a fix time of tonight.

Hopefully this 7 weeks a crap is truly coming to an end.

Also, I've 1xed as much as I've had 3g lately.
[EVO 4G General] sapperpipo:
Uhmm I get yearly upgrades among other things
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
....OK, and?
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Well, the tower close to my house (1 mile away and roughly the same elevation as the house) is officially completely broken now.

It just randomly dropped to 1x tonight and hasn't switched back to 3G. It couldn't even send a text message - I tried 15+ times and it just fails to send, then tells me it didn't send 5 minutes later. So, I decided to drive the f over there and see if they were working on the tower, since I know where it's at. No 3G the whole way over there, saw nothing, went on to the store, still nothing, wouldn't work, didn't work, el' broko.

I flashed over to Myn's to try that out on the way home; of course, it says 3G (how they have not gotten sued for false advertisement???), anyhow, data didn't work at all, but 4G does! I got 3mbps on 4G (2 bars) at the entrance to my subdivision for 3 speed tests...I get to my house and I get 500kbps on 4G.

So, 4G is working, I'm just right at the outskirts of the 4G range, but 3G is completely broken, as far as I can tell.

Here's a photo of the tower:
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
With any luck [for you] that means they are upgrading the switches thus they had to switch everyone down to 1xrtt while they upgrade it
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Yeah, I doubt highly doubt it. Didn't look like anything had been moved back by the box for awhile. Lots of weeds and crap by around the tower box.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
They're network technicians not gardeners ;)
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
The network technicians probably don't start working on Friday night at 6PM. ;)
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I don't know about that.

I find that most times they work after midnight and weekends as to eliminate the impact on taking part of the network down.

[I'm speaking about more than just cell phone carrier networks]
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Hmm, yeah, good point, though I drove right to it and there wasn't anybody around. My mom used to work at the company that the tower is actually sitting on.

They have been working on upgrading a few of the towers around here, though, but so far I can only track down 2 or 3 that actually have 1400k download, the rest are all less than 300k. However, this seems to be a pretty big tower, since it covers clear to the grocery store, which is 2 miles farther to the West of the tower (I'm 1 mile to the East of it) and so it looks like it covers most of the South East part of tower.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Well, who knows really.

Just hope for your sake that it's down because it's being fixed.

I mean it's not like this is going to go on forever so hoping it is getting fixed really isn't out of the question.

[And it would make sense, since it's 3g and not 1xrtt that's the problem, that it would go down completely like that while being repaired]
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
I added some more to my last post after you quoted it, too, btw.

I'll have to flash back over to miui to see, or I could find that app that tells me if it's 1x / 3g.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Well with your amended post it sounds like this ordeal may be over for you.

:thumbs up::
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Maybe...What's the app that says if you're on 3G or 1x, if you know? I just looked though ##debug# and Exlir, but didn't see anything that said specifically 3G or 1x.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I don't know of one specifically...can't remember the one that people have talked about on here. :(
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
4G works because it's totally separate. But it's well-established that Clear, the provider for 4G (aka not Sprint) sucks at delivering good data speeds. I also think the Evo brought Sprint a lot of new customers randomly over the past months and it's a capacity issue, in which case the money we're paying for Premium Data has to be going towards fixing the issue. And by has to I mean should be, as opposed to, I don't know, STUPID NASCAR SPONSORSHIP!

EDIT: App that says if you're on 1x or 3G is "Network Info II"
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I agree with you about the Nascar sponsorship while also completely disagreeing with you about it.

Really, very little if any money should be spent on advertising.

If companies spent that money and time on what they do ...who knows where we would be.

With that said, people are stupid. Especially in this country.

Out advertising the competition is more important than the product you deliver.

What I just said is completely sick but the absolute truth.

Do you know how many people think that Verizon actually covers you 100% of the country?

Yeah...it's scary.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
I know that they don't cover 100% of the country, but that they can support highly-populated areas easily and efficiently because they actually spend a lot of money maintaining their network. It's definitely not justification for their ridiculous pricing (uhh, texting costs carriers close to NOTHING, literally), but they pretty much do deserve a lot of the praise they get for network quality and stability, company practices aside.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Eh, I don't know about that.

Let's keep in mind that in a lot of cases Verizon's costs are double...their customer count is more than double of Sprint's as well.

I wouldn't doubt if the same percentage of money from all companies goes into their network.

It's just 10% at 3 billion is more than 10% at 1 billion.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
I don't agree with all of their sponsorships and advertising...like in their new ad "Why limit yourself?" Dear Sprint, I'm not the one limiting myself, your ****ty network is! When I was in portland, it wasn't much better...about 1/4th of the time, I actually had 1400k, the other 3/4 I had less than 300k.

Where does it say 3G/1x in that app? I can't find it?!? Also, it took 4 tries to download the app. Went to 100% 3 times, but then never installed and acted like I hadn't downloaded it...took 8 minutes to get it installed! Guessing it's still on 1x right now.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Exactly. It's just like MetroPCS touting unlimited this and that for $40 ($50?) a month. That's only because their network SUCKS. Speeds are horrible. I still do not understand why they won't tell us anything. I've been telling people not to switch to Sprint right now. If someone one of the techs could honestly tell me that they're fixing the issue, then I would feel more confident. The last thing a tech told me is that they're looking for an issue, so I know for fact that they're not fixing anything [yet].