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[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bajillions:
I got 2 T-mobile uk branded HTC Desire HD's this week and love them. But I got all confused when doing the rooting/unlocking procedure. Basically I did Goldcard and S-off but didnt realise ENG-Off was different. Now I have a few issues.

When ever I flash a new rom, I am unable to boot into recovery mode using Power and Volume up. The phone stays blank and the LED flashes orange until I pull the battery. I have to reflash clockwork mod using Rom Manager every time and then reboot into it from there.

So i'm wondering what I can do to either get all this working even if it means starting from scratch

Also, this may be unrelated. But one of the DHD's is not notifying me of text messages correctly, but the other on is perfect. Both running Android Revolution.

Any help or advice would be appreciated.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yamthief:
Try power + volume down to go to hboot. From here you can then select either fastboot or recovery, whichever is needed. Hope this helps.
[HD2 General] olyloh6696:
Hi guys.

i know some people will say this has been asked before, but i am posting from the date from today.

I want to buy a HD2, but i don't know whether it is the right time...

Because now it has the success of WP7 and Android, I'm wondering if ti is still worth it. The hardware seems abit old now, but it is essentially the same as a HD7.

ATM, i have a TG01, (snapdragon 1GHz WINMO, resistive) So i'm experienced with the speed :) But however, in our forum, there are soo few active members and cooks - not much support. the resistive touchscreen and Also the lack of RAM is driving me insane. (only 55mb on boot with sense 2.5 + winmo 6.5.x) So one reason of the HD2 is the RAM and the screen... On the other hand i have a tab. It isnt just mine specifically it is my family's. So i dont get to use it all the time and personalize it. (the orange san francisco isnt mine anymore btw, i gave it to my brother)

So i only really have a TG01. I have been using Winmo for a long time, but now everyone is making the switch to Android. So if i get the HD2, will i have good battery life performance etc. I will probs be using WP7 and Android. Is WP7 working perfectly yet? i know we can access the live sevices but will microsoft be continually be patching it? All my friends are using android.. should i use android on the HD2 or just get an android device?

And the hardware... do you think it is still powerful enough? how much longer will the community last for? When i got my Tg01, within 3 months the XDA forum was empty! they all sold and got an Android device or HD2.

So i get it know will the timing be right? Will devs still be cooking for WM and upgrading Android etc? Or will they move on? Because i see alot of members selling their HD2 for a DHD or other android devices. I dont think i can afford a DHD...

I'm really stuck here... I don't know if i should get the device or not... Should i wait? Or wait for what device? I know when the dual cores come out, they will be far too expensive!

Where can i get a cheap HD2 from? Can any one point me to one £150-£180?

Thank you to all who reply!
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
Quite a few questions there, no? :eek:

First of all, HD2 is still on par with most devices on the market. In other words, hardware-wise, no issue. My unit was bought at introduction time, it´s doing what it should without any problem since more than 15 months now.

That is quite impressive, I´d say. But the very age of the model, as of today, is no sign that it´s outdated.

As far as I know, TG01 was never on par with HD2, even if it comes with a similar CPU. However, I don´t think there is a massive difference.

The key difference is the capability of using multiple OS platforms, and you already described all other points which are worth mentioning.

One thing is clear, however: The WinMo threads in the HD2 forums have become a bit quiet, since there are only few updates for WinMo and Sense these days, so no need and options for chefs to re-do what they greatly did in the past.N Also, tweaking and modding has slowed down a bit.

Clearly, the Android threads in the HD2 section are quite busy, and WP7 to some extent, too.

Returning to the very age of the model, it is natural that many people, chefs and users, move on. Windows Phone Classic may be a dead end, who knows. Windows Phone 7 might be a failure for Microsoft, who knows. The fun part is that with an HD2, you can use all of them.

My guess is that there will be quite some development for HD2 Android solutions in the coming 6 to 12 months, steadily fading to small activities over the time. Also, WP7 has quite an impact inside the HD2 user community, but I believe there are certain limits.

Once newer, much stronger hardware specifications will become upscale smartphone mainstream, most users will change. But remember, there are not too many people willing to spend €500+ every 12 months - one more reason to stick with an HD2 once you bought it and you´re fine with it.

You most probably will find used units on ebay or such at your target price.

I think if you really want to play around with things a bit, you won´t be disappointed. But, if you are more a casual user, I don´t know what to recommend.

Myself, I think I will stick to my HD2 for another year or so - this will set a new record, to be honest. But I am perfectly fine with that great device. And as of now, I am completely fine with WinMo 6.5/Sense; for the fun of it, WP7 from time to time. I don´t like Android, at least not the current versions, but I am extremely happy my device gave me the opportunity to try all options at no extra cost.
[HD2 General] Marvlesz:
To be honest with you, I haven't read anything past "...success of" :D

But It's better that you wait till MS's update and see what happens then. ;)

That's if you want WP7, but if you want Android its HD2 is currently awesome at Android ;)
[HD2 General] olyloh6696:
Thanks for the reply man! Yeh the TG01 is no match for the HD2. The only reson i got it is because it was a bargain; £150 PayG at Orange UK (Feb 2010) Presumably because it was a poor device in terms of software. I would consider myself a flash junkie. I am constantly trying to find the best ROM for speed, stability and RAM. (as the stock ROMs were really bad!) However , nowadays I'm too busy to be doing all that. I have exams and things going on, and i can't put up with the unstability of my TG01. I want to get a HD2, but keep it on a WP7 Rom, or Android. Then i can switch back and forth. Or if i want,

Winmo 6.5. I won't have to keep on reflashin, as these are pretty much stablw right? The HD2 seems like the ideal device for being cheap and flexibility. Yeh i agree too, the hardware is on par with todays tech. My only concern is the dual cores arriving, but i won't be able to afford them anyway!

Now, my only other problem is battery life... I have mixed reviews on this. Some say it is good, others say it is bad. Can someone please be honest and state what it is? Is battery life better on WM+Sense, WP7 or Android? Because on my TG01 has crap battery; it is only 1000mah powering a 4.1 inch 1ghz device. I'm sick of charging my phone every night.

So if i buy an extended battery, it would solve my problems? Because i read somewhere that Android will not support extended batteries?! Is this also true with WP7?

Thanks man for the time for replying! :)
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
Power consumption is something massively individual.

I got used to turn off Wlan and automatic data downloads (not only, but also because I don´t have a data flatrate) off, an easy step in each OS.

My worst experience was with Android (which sucked energy like hell, but there were strong improvements), while WinMo/Sense and WP7 are now on par (as an "average" user with some phone calls, some text messages, and some limited surfing, some offline navigation, too) for me - I charge every second day. On vacation (much less of above mentioned usage) it´s even good for 4 days.

But then again, if you´re also gaming, take long-time internet surfing sessions and such, you´ll be charging an HD2 every day, too.

Btw, dual boot only works with WinMo 6.5 and Android (as you can install the latter on your SD card), means you would have to re-flash to switch between WP7 and Android or between WinMo 6.5 and WP7. Then again, the flashing process is a matter of a couple of minutes, and if you use different SD cards, the setup is done quite quickly...

EDIT: Just forgot, the enhanced battery. It won´t work under Android or WP7, when I understand various threads correctly... but would have to check that...
[HD2 General] olyloh6696:
Thanks alot my friend ;) i think it pretty much sloves my problem. on my tg01 with sense and wm6.5 battery lasted 2 hrs with heavy wifi usage on opera. this is why i had to go 'old school' with touchflo 3d and wm6.1 fkr battery performance. so the hd2 battery is better :) i read somewhere that some extended batteries work with the hd2 (i think the official ones ddont work) any way thanks alot man, you've made me really happy, im trying get one cheap now, just need to save up a bit more...

Im still open to suggestions from other users on their opinions :)
[HD2 General] sagarjawaress:
believe me friend,hd2 is best mobile ever created.2 of my friends have hd7 and DHD,both of them keeps looking at my hd2 for what it can do!!the only + point on their device is that the screen of both the handsets is better than hd2..but it dnt matters..also,it is half the price of both of them.

so i suggest you to close your eyes and get an hd2..hehe
[HD2 General] coldest~~~:
that is whole lot of words there...
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
The hd2 will take a lot of time and effort to get it working the way you want, keep that in mind. Battery life on the android and wp7 ports are not nearly as good as a native device, and it will take some work getting the battery to a manageable level. Also, getting wp7 working properly is getting much harder to set up with the problems unlocking it and the fact that you have to call microsoft and lie to them about what phone you have to get an activation code, which recently microsoft has been catching on and is now usually requesting a hd7 imei and proof of purchase... plus who knows what will happen when they update.

If I were you, I would save up your money until the next generation of phones comes out and get something then, cause odds are most major devs will move on when better devices come out. They've already been developing the hd2 for over a year, and while at this point the hardware is still top of the line, soon it will not be. Many HD2 owners do not want to admit that fact and they claim the hd2 runs android as good as a native phone with as good of battery life, but that's just not true. The HD2 is a great phone for the fact that it can run multiple os's, and you can dual boot wp7 on nand with android on sd and no other phone can do that... and I wouldn't trade my hd2 for anything right now because I like running 2 OS's on my phone... but when new hardware comes that will change. And the hd2 doesn't run wp7 or android as good as native devices.

So it's up to you and what you want. If you have a lot of spare time to tinker and get things working well, then it can be a great phone... but if you want a phone that will work good out of the box or just want to run one os really well, go for a native android or wp7 phone. Like I said... I would save up money for a few months and see whats out then once you have some more money saved up or can sign a contract with a carrier to get a cheaper top of the line phone.
[HD2 General] olyloh6696:
Thanks for the input! I'm only limited to five thanks per day :/ (but sill thank you tommorow!.)

you said that devs will move on to other devices... i know the other devices have more powerful hardware than the HD2, but most run android. as far as i know, no Android phone can dual boot WinMo, or WP7 and there is no development for it. You see, i like WP7 OS, it looks so nice and elegant.. but i dislike the restiction. so the WP7 devices are useless to me. But if i get a HD2 , i can dual boot between WP7 and Android (for tweaking!)

About the battery life issue.. i heard some ppl with claims that WP7 on the HD2 has begged battery life, as it cannot multitasking etc. WinMo with sense is a resource hog. Androidd too.

That sucks about the Microsoft getting suspicious. I would like go use the live services, but only for the free apps. But hopefully XDA can be patching this so we can use live sevices ;) Would it also be possible to use my friends' HD7 Imei?

Also i understand youur point about tinkering the device a lot. as i have said in my orginal post, i don't have much find and all that and frankly I'm too lazy nowadays! Also i have never owned a HTC WinMo device, so flashing is very different and new to me! I still don't understand half these terms :S Hopefully i can just keep it stable between WP7 and Android. I can request from the seller to put these on :)

Hmmm. Should i save up for another devise

or get the HD2.. i like the freedom of the HD2... And I'm quite impatient!

I hve been dreaming about it all night...

Thanks mate!
[HD2 General] yelsew_aknor:
A good rule of thumb is always, buy if you need it now, if you can wait then wait.

I've mine since last year and it always performed beautifully under WM6.5, but now with Android is like I have a brand new phone, seriously. I'd say go for it only if you need it now, if you can wait and either gather more information or wait for a specific release that you might have the eye on, then do that.
[HD2 General] olyloh6696:
thanks for the reply! (sorry my thanks limit is full!)

But when you say wait... wait for what device? i prefably don't want a phone contract. I'm happy with my network with unlimited internet. imagining it on the HD2 will be amazing!

like i said, i can't afford the dual cores, but as the other member has pointed out, i can save up. I'm sick with my tg01 and want a HD2 so bad. if other ee devicefs get released they won't be able to dual boot.

thanks!
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I wouldn't suggest having the seller install those for you... to get things working good it takes a lot of testing and trial and error. Especially if you want to dualboot... that's not simple. The SD card needs to be partitioned in a certain way, and wp7 needs to be installed on nand, and then you have to use an android build that can run from SD card, and most SD builds will have to be modified to be able to boot with magldr. And then you're gonna have to learn how to set it up and use it so that the battery drain isn't too bad with the SD android build. And for wp7 it takes a lot of work setting it up, changing the registry and successfully getting an activation code from Microsoft. Also you have to make sure you have an SD card that's compatible with wp7 and that runs android builds well.... sandisk class 2 seem the best, but they're not guaranteed to work. It's not a simple setup and it takes work to keep it working and updated. It takes hours just to correctly setup when you know exactly what you're doing and don't run into many issues... but many run into issues and it takes days getting them worked out.

Then you're gonna want to keep your builds updated, so you're gonna want to know how everything is installed so you can do updates when available.

It's not a simple, troublefree setup and issues are still popping up. Just keep that in mind... most sellers will not know how to set it up and if they do, it probably wont be setup well and you have to do a lot of testing and trial & error to get a setup and builds that work for you. There's many different android builds with different issues, and most SD builds are not very updated recently... but if you want dualboot you have to run a SD android build. You wont have recovery with SD builds and not everything works as well as nand builds.

You should definitely spend a few days doing research before deciding to get a hd2 so you know what you're getting yourself into. Its not a phone that can be quickly setup and used without problems. Only get it if you're willing to put a lot of time into it to learn how to set it up to work good for you.
[HD2 General] olyloh6696:
Thanks! But as you see, the seller here is a xda member with android currently installed. He asked me what rom to have on it, but we haven't confirmed if I am buying the device yet. I though that wp 7 install was relatively easy, but I guess I'm. Wrong. I have been reading threads on it, and it isn't so easy to dual boot between the both. I have also read threads on the bad points of wp7 on the hD2. I guess it will require alot of time and effort to set my device up with all that HSPL, microsd magldr work :/ I was hoping it would be easy. Oh well I guess if I get it, I could play around with winnow as o Abe never experienced sense on the hd2 before with all that ram. Then use a micro SD build. That process seems relatively easy.

Thanks for the input :)
[HD2 General] matejdro:
I buyed my HD2 in December and I'm very happy with it.

Hardware is so-so. DHD is said to have much faster GPU, but on the other hand, HD7 have same processor. And there are dual core devices coming. But i would not see that as big problem. Everyone is still at single-core processors, which means that most games and apps will still support them until most people switch to dual-core. And that will not happen quickly.

Performance is OK. Android can be a bit slow sometimes, but that may be case for android, not the HD2. And WP7 builds can even beat native WP7 device.

Battery life: My HD2 lasts about a day with moderate-heavy usage. Friend have DHD and reports similar battery life. But it have flaws. For example, today i watched 15min SD video from the SD card and it somehow drained 10% of the battery (WiFi and everything was off). In fact, it's actually hard to get thin smartphone that will last much longer than that and dual-core phones will probably have even smaller battery life (and AFAIK batteries are not evolving much these days). I'm used to charging my phone everyday, so it's not really a problem for me. As for extended batteries, some Android builds support official HTC extended batteries.

Community will surely slowly shrink, but based on current activity, i say that we still have a lot time.

So, if you want to buy new phone, you will have to buy high-end phone to beat HD2. And based on your price range, i would say that HD2 is currently your best choice.
[HD2 General] olyloh6696:
Thanks! i guess i will settle for a HD2 then! (Hopefully) I understand your point, that the dual cores will be useless as most phones are single core, but isn't mobile tech advancing so quickly? :) anyway, the flagship nexus s is single core so most people will be inflection core. and when i get he HD2 my next upgrade after that will be next summer. By then dual cores will be primarilzed and i can upgrade from there?

Thanks!
[HD2 General] matejdro:
Tech is advancing quickly, but masses are not changing phones that quickly. It will take time until mainstream android will move to dual-core. There will be bonuses of dual-core of course, but many people will still be on single-core devices, which means that most stuff would still be usable on older phones until majority of devices will be dual-core. And thanks to devs, who are always providing latest OS to our phones, i think we will hold on even longer :)

That is just what I'm thinking, but i may be wrong.
[HD2 General] akbisw:
Im only gonna touch battery issues. The thing is, there arent any anymore LOL. With HD2 you get to change the radio of the device. Which means that you literally change the way HD2 uses its network and wifi. By switching to a previous radio, i have increased my battery to 1.5days(XBOX live games 30mins, Zune 60+-30mins, Basic web, email, 20 texts, 20mins call) without affecting performance. So you can experiment and do wonders with this devil. In addition, I dont think you need to worry about android's battery life at all. My ast android build(in sd card, not nand, nands are better) ran for two days on 1.5ghz oc'ed and I never use app killers(these kill battery) or setcpu. So, you know you will be fine with HD2. Worst case scenario, you buy an extended battery with kickstand and get a kickstand :cool:

radio i use is 2.14, latest is 2.15.
[HD2 General] olyloh6696:
Yeh thats great ! i hope devs sill continue to support the phone all the way through the evolution and development of WP7!
[HD2 General] olyloh6696:
Thanks! I'm assuming this is running on WP7? that sounds great! i aint be using my phone too much for music and games, probably only once in a while (i use my ipod for that) but i will be using it a lot for web browsing and texting! those results sound great! (much better than my tg01) but is there a problem with running on WP7 that you cannot let the battery drain fully and your device won't boot?
[HD2 General] bleui:
I just bought this device 2 weeks ago, and I'm quite disappointed with the battery performance. I'm using WP7 for browsing on wifi-only, and I can only get below 6 hours plus it gets very hot :(
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
Yeah, battery is ok in standby, but during actual use it gets eaten quickly with wp7 and android ports. People who say they get as good battery as native phones must not really use there phones that much... or they exaggerate. Most hd2 owners turn blind eyes to its problems and when people ask about them, they aren't very honest about the actual performance, and then people buy it with high expectations and are disappointed. Its a great phone, but when running ports, it has poor battery life with use. There are things you can do to improve battery like turn off radios while in standby or change the radio rom, which helps, but while actually using the phone, you will only get a quarter to half (if you're lucky) the battery life you would get with a native phone. I tested it with my brother's stock mesmerize, a galaxy s phone. Using the same apps for same amount of time, the mesmerize lasted about 3 times as long as the hd2.

But still, I wouldn't trade my hd2 for anything right now as I love to tinker and hack it and play with different OS's. It's a hobby of mine. Plus I carry a huge backup external battery with me.
[HD2 General] yelsew_aknor:
I've been getting about 16 hours a day of battery life. If I'm a heavy, moderate or light user is something I don't know, but I on regular basis listen to podcasts while on my way to school, sometimes play some games between classes and on my way back, and the rest is just web browsing, emails and sms.
[HD2 General] osugsxr:
very tempted to get an hd2, currently using a mytouch 4g. I have an iphone 3gs 16gb that I may trade on craigslist for the hd2. Seems the hd2 has a ton of support on this forum and being able to do windows & android is nice. Probably will stick with android for the most part though, test windows out.
[Epic 4G General] DevilDogVIKING:
Is there anyway to add a language to my phone other than english and spanish? For example, I've been learning Norwegian and I would like to set my phone as Norwegian instead of english to help me learn more. Is there anyway of maybe porting it from a norwegian I9000 or something? Or is there a source to download languages?
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
I wanna know that too,on my Mytouch Slide 3gs I had other languge options(about 15 of them) strange that Epic dont have it.
[Epic 4G General] DevilDogVIKING:
I guess no one knows?
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
Call Sprint CS
[Epic 4G General] stud_muffler:
If you talking about swype keyboard then the only way is to root a and delete preinstalled version and install beta from swype.com. Another alternative will be to find a keyboard with support for the language you need. That is what	I did.
[Epic 4G General] arashed31:
Gingerbread keyboard on the Market has tons of languages and language add-ons. Check it out.
[Epic 4G General] DevilDogVIKING:
not just the keyboard, but the entire phone's language, the locale. I would like to add norwegian since I'm studying that language and I know the I9000 is in Norway. Is there anyone here that can port it or something?
[Epic 4G General] mtwow789:
Try custom locale in market.