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[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
It was pretty clear to me that using "S" (presumably for Samsung) instead of "2" meant that Google was leaving the door open for other "Nexus" phones from other companies. I was more along the lines of a Nexus "M" (Motorola), etc, but the S could be for S as in Galaxy "S", in which case your "X" and others make more sense.

The question becomes what would the next Nexus phone from Samsung be, the Nexus S2...?

I think that Nexus will just mean it's a Google sanctioned phone, that runs pure Google Android (no add-ons like Motoblur or TouchWiz or Sense), and is sold UNLOCKED. Note that I did not say they will be a "developer" phone...
[Nexus S General] binaryanomaly:
Thinking of a "Nexus A" ;-)
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
ROFL!

You might just burn in hell for that one...
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
I think the next Nexus wont be a phone, it will be a tablet. It makes sense: Google is focusing on tablets now, with 3.0 and all. What I think that they will release another Nexus phone in 2 years, and next year there will be a Nexus Tab or something.
[Nexus S General] fosdos4790:
I think that would piss a lot of people off especially the guys on here that switch devices once every year. I can see them releasing a "nexus tab" but not without a new nexus phone to go along with it. But who knows, I'd say nobody on here ever thought they'd go with Samsung to make the next generation nexus. It wouldn't surprise me if they released a top secret tab with dual core when honeycomb is released. Anythings possible that's for sure lol.
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
I dunno about "nobody", I never thought they "wouldn't" either, but frankly I didn't think about it all. When Google said "no Nexus 2" I took them at face value and figured no Nexus from any manufacturer. :eek:
[Nexus S General] j.bruha:
If the rumors pan out, I would personally love to see a "Nexus N" from Nokia (maintaining the N moniker from the Nseries devices). Having Nokia's top notch hardware and incredible camera optics coupled with Android would perhaps be the perfect device.
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
Nobody? I was drooling in excitement at the idea of a Samsung / Google developed Galaxy S / Nexus One combo.
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
Some people are just anti-Samsung and have blinders on about them. They certainly have software update issues, but in my opinion the SAMOLED screens can't be beat by any other display out there, and the rest of the hardware on the SGS series of phones, except for the plastic case, is as good as or better than anything else available.

I also was very excited at an improved i9000-like phone with Google's blessing. If only I'd remembered how much I hate T-Mobile's service in Los Angeles...I'd have probably passed on the Nexus S. :(
[Nexus S General] fosdos4790:
ok so maybe a little over exaggeration on my part but my point was who knows who itl be or if theyl change makers or even if theyl build a new one at all. this phone is the best available, it wasnt a knock at samsung in the least, i had a captivate before the ns and loved it.
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
LOL :p

wouldn't that be a "Nexus i" ? ;)
[Nexus S General] Lord_Buckington:
The iNexus - This changes everything. To a different OS.
[Nexus S General] j.bruha:
I defended Samsung for a long time, but I've had enough problems with Samsung to prefer never to buy their stuff again if I don't have to. Both me and my girlfriend are on our 3rd Nexus S's since launch and neither of us are crazy about the build materials. The cheap piano black plastic they use has been consistent with all of their phones I've used since the i8910 and what's said about delayed software updates is true across the board. It took forever to get updates for the i8910 and everyone knows about the Galaxy S updates. If it weren't for the SAMOLED and Google handling the updates, I wouldn't have bothered with the Nexus S at all.
[Nexus S General] jivemaster:
The motorola xoom is essentially the nexus tablet. Software made by google, it's the first to be released with it (honeycomb), and it's the reference device the software has been made on. Considering history dictates the device running the newest software is an official google device, I'll be getting the xoom.
[Nexus S General] jivemaster:
I have used cheap plastic phones before and nexus s certainly is not cheap - far from it. It feels as good as plastic can feel, I have never held a better plastic based phone. I don't understand peoples complaints with it. The only bad thing is it's a finger print magnet. But I use a case with all my phones so it's no biggy.
[Nexus S General] j.bruha:
Oh I think it's built solid and feels great, but the plastic is still the same cheap stuff they always use. As you said, you don't notice since you're using a case, but for those of us that don't use cases with their phones, the Nexus S holds up just as poorly as any other Samsung. Compared to the Teflon and scratch resistant glass I was used to on the Nexus One, the S is a huge step down. The back gets scratched from even something as simple as setting it down too many times on a hard surface and you can read my thread on the pattern scratches in the oleophobic coating after taking very good care of it. In comparison, my Nexus One still looks brand new aside from the dirty track ball. No scratches, blemishes, or any other signs of wear at all. Even my LG Optimus for work is built from more durable materials.
[Nexus S General] jivemaster:
Yeah I know what you're saying, as far as materials go, if you could choose you'd go the aluminium casing. But I think the plastic is very high quality plastic. It's problem is that being glossy, damage such as scratches are far far far more visible. So yeah, no way I would use this without a case, but I don't use any phone without a case. My phone being my most used device, I like to keep it as protected as possible so I don't have to worry about it.
[Nexus S General] BrianDigital:
I would excpet a phone and a tablet straight from them, then it would be easy to get a high quailty tablet not tied to a cell phone company
[Nexus S General] j.bruha:
What it looks like, and what I'm really hoping happens, is that Google builds out Honeycomb so we don't need to see hardware directly from them anymore. I'm hoping Honeycomb wows the manufacturers enough and makes any advantages to custom UI's redundant so that they will abandon them altogether. Put that together with a Honeycomb build for handsets and we'll have come full circle to a single, unified, simplified, extensively customizable Android experience on any device on any carrier.

Or at least I can dream?
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
I think your dream will stay just that. Manufacturers add custom uis to help separate their products from the pack. Most end users don't care about processors or memory or screens. They care about how easy the features they use are to use and the manufacturers still always try to make their device better at doing those things than other devices so that their products are more end users.

However there will also always be users like us who prefer efficiency and state of the art tech over looks and for those users a nexus like device will be the most desirable, by far.

Sent from my CM7 Nexus S!
[Nexus S General] htc fan89:
Next one should be Nexus Xperia lol :rolleyes:
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
LOL :p i wouldn't mind to get a Nexus X

as long as it's better than whatever is on the market today
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
Personally, this may be my last Nexus phone. The promises of the "stock Android" experience have not met my expectations. The promise was that the lack of OEM skins would finally let the Android OS thrive to its fullest potential, but it's a farce, and GB is chock full of its own glitches and issues, many of which greatly mar the overall experience (random ringtone changes, gallery issues, etc). There are also oddities which perplex the hell out of me (I recently discovered there is no way to organize bookmarks in the stock browser. I understand the most visited sites show up first, but why not offer the feature to organize the way I want it to as well? What happened to freedom of choice?)

I realize no platform is perfect and I've always been a huge proponent of virtually all things Google, but I'm becoming more and more disenchanted by Android.
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
One more time - the benefit of the stock Android experience is not just that there is no OEM skin, it's that you get all your updates directly from Google and get them before anyone else. Do you really think that a non-stock version of Gingerbread with an OEM skin on top would have less bugs? Any version of Android with an OEM skin will have at least and probably more bugs than stock Android.

It would be great if Gingerbread had been released bug free but I'd prefer to have it gotten it in December like we did with a few bugs than to wait until February to get it bugless.

Nexus not for everyone.
[Nexus S General] meetagrawal:
I'm going to wait and see how they treat Nexus one updates over the next year before I consider sticking with the Nexus product line.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
I respect your opinion, but that's baffling to me. That says to me, I rather have a rushed and unfinished product, then a finished product at a later time. Isn't this the beginnings of sloppy workmanship?

Also, those few bugs are quite detrimental to the experience. Ask users who have experienced reboots during phone calls, or who have to constantly reset their ringtones, or who can't find certain images in their galleries because they disappear.

I've said this before, we're really imagining this gigantic gulf between stock Android and OEM skins. I am not (and would never) arguing that OEM skins are better, but I am pointing out that the differences are not as big as everyone claims it is.

I think you are right to say though that the Nexus line isn't for everyone. It's beginning to seem (to me, anyway) that getting Android iterations first means we're the beta-testers. I can see why that would be exciting to many people.
[Nexus S General] qreffie:
I'm one of the people that hasn't had any issues other than my first Nexus' freezing issue which I returned. My phone has been both rooted unrooted and upgraded and it still plays the song I selected for my ringtone way back when I got it in December. After having a G1 which never saw an official update past 1.6 and a Vibrant which didn't get 2.2 officially until just now, I'm happy having a phone I know for sure will be supported and will probably stick with the nexus brand because of that.
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
Are you really going to again ignore my response explaining your misrepresentation of "stock android"? Stock Android is not why people pick up the Nexus line, hell the Droid had stock android too. "Stock Android" in the Nexus world has almost nothing to do with skins vs. no skins. It has to do with, once again, getting updates directly from google and not having to wait for months to get the latest version of Android from phone manufacturers. I can tell you are a smart guy but I'm surprised you continue to ignore this distinction I keep bringing up when you say the same thing over and over about skin vs. no skin. No one ever said the main reason to get a Nexus phone is to not have an OEM skin.

Many of the people that picked up the NS are die hard Android fans that had the G1, Nexus One, and now the Nexus S. We would do all sorts of unreasonable things to get a sneak peak at the next version of our baby, the operating system and culture we have been obsessing over for the last two years. I would pay $100 right now to get a buggy early release of Honeycomb or Ice Cream Sandwich that probably many google developers are running on their NS. I understand it is hard for someone new to the development world of android to comprehend someone wanting to get a phone 3 months earlier with buggy software as opposed to waiting for a polished version, but that's just how it is for some of us.

It can be frustrating reading all your threads complaining about gingerbread, the the nexus s, nexus line, etc. but I suppose I understand you are coming from a very different place than some of the Android obsessed members on this forum.

No hard feelings, but it gets old reading all your threads especially when you keep talking about the expectations of "stock Android" when you really don't seem to know what that means, and appear to not listen when people try to explain.

I have a couple of jacks in me but I don't think I am out of line here.
[Nexus S General] atlp99:
One other thing, it is kinda expected that early software will have some bugs. This includes Android and specifically gingerbread on the nexus s. Google's development motto has always been, release early and often. Part of the advantage of using a Nexus phone is getting the software first, sure you will find the bugs first but you will also get the fixes first also.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
I am not ignoring you, and I understand the benefits of the Nexus line and its version of Android. If you read a bit further down my post, I said: "I think you are right to say though that the Nexus line isn't for everyone. It's beginning to seem (to me, anyway) that getting Android iterations first means we're the beta-testers. I can see why that would be exciting to many people."

I'm simply saying having the latest version doesn't always translate to having the best version. You are right to say, some people rather have the former than the latter. That's fine -- again, as I said, I can see why that would be exciting. The issue, to me, is one of the biggest features that Nexus-lovers tout is not only that they get the latest updates, but they get the cleanest updates -- free of OEM skins that hamper the phone. I'm just saying I wish that were more true; as it turns out, stock Android hampers the phone more than just fine by itself. That's what I am regrettably discovering from my day to day use of the Nexus S.

You can't de-couple that and just focus on the fact that the Nexus line gets updates first. The fact that they get updates first is not my personal point of contention. It's the fact that those updates bring a slew of their own glitches and issues, and there's no more excuse to put the blame on OEM skins.

And no hard feelings taken. It's an open forum and people are certainly welcomed to voice their opinions, especially if they differ from others.

Lastly, I feel I should clarify that I love and enjoy many things about Android, and my complaints are primarily voiced in the hopes to see Android continue to grow and improve (someone mentioned Googlers read, sometimes even post, at these forums). I've also done my part in submitting reports and feature requests to Google and often link them to garner more support/stars. (my latest request: custom auto-corrections for the keyboard: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=14420. Please star, I think it'll be a great asset to the keyboard). I am not sitting idly and complaining. I am criticizing; there is a stark difference. Also, I am not divorcing myself from the Nexus line completely, despite becoming disenchanted by the OS, and will still keep an eye on the next Nexus whenever/whatever that may be. If the Nexus S and GB weren't so chock full of issues, I'd be singing a different tune. My hope is that as updates come, the issues will be resolved and the overall OS will be improved upon. Until then, what issues it has warrants discussion.

Anyway, good discussion.
[Nexus S General] frenzy757:
That is the power of choice...get a different browser....Dolphin Lite anyone?
[Nexus S General] jivemaster:
We shouldn't really have to get another browser. And dolphin just hinges off the default browser anyway, so performance is identical aka rubbish. The browser is my only major complaint with gingerbread.
[Nexus S General] Vulpix:
Well, I think everyone in this thread can agree on the terrible browser performance. I doubt it's just you that thinks that way.
[Nexus S General] tekkitan:
I don't understand why people consider the Nexus S "cheap". In my opinion, it is a well built phone and I love it. It's a developer phone. It isn't supposed to be a hardcore feature phone that you can throw at someone to hurt them and then check your e-mail.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
Here's what baffles me about not being able to organize Bookmarks the way you want to organize them. If the Bookmarks are sorted via what your most frequented websites are, then what's the "Most Visited" tab for then? Don't they both do the same thing?
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
It's not a developer phone. Your post inspired me to start a new topic on this.

Other than that, I agree, it's a well built phone that feels great in the hand and is a thing of beauty to look at. ;)
[Nexus S General] j.bruha:
Coming from a person who has advocated Gingerbread overall and really only has complaints about the build quality, yes, I agree with the browser performance. It drives me absolutely crazy.

Get your hands on a Nexus One and try it out for a bit. HTC did right with the build materials and really set the bar for a high construction device. As I think I've already said in this thread, the Nexus S is built well and very solid, but the materials used are not designed to keep the device looking pristine like the Nexus One's materials are.
[Nexus S General] frenzy757:
Getting the newest software updates is for me better than the newest hardware and will keep me liking this phone instead of playing the hardware game
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
I was in awe of the "build quality" of my Nexus One when I first got it, but the awe quickly changed to annoyance. Yes, it's solid feeling, yes the rubberized feeling back is nice, but after that it starts to fall apart. The hardware bugs/flaws on the thing are legendary: the touchscreen doesn't do multipoint properly, the touchscreen is inaccurate, the home/men/etc keys are offset and you have to touch above them to register a hit, the display tends to have an overly red tint to it far worse than the blues of the Samsungs, the AMOLED screen is unusable outdoors, the trackball and top button failed for many (not for me, though), and the camera puts a nice pink blur overlay over every photo. I could probably come up with more, but those are the biggest issues and ones I remember best.

The Samsung phones have none of those issues for me. Beautiful, mostly color accurate display that I can use outdoors, very accurate touchpanel, multipoint touches work accurately, menu button reacts to the points I want to touch it, etc. So the back is shiny black plastic that scratches easily...yeah, that's an issue for some, but in the scheme of things, in terms of usability the Galaxy S derivatives are so far superior to the Nexus One that they're not even in the same league quality-wise.

And HTC has had its share of losers with phones as well, even more serious flaws for me with some of them. The EVO 4G I bought had the screen come apart from the frame just 13 days after purchasing it, and it's LCD display had a funny tint to it as well. The screen separation was well documented across the web as not being an uncommon issue. I'm not sure why people hold up HTC as the holy grail of how to build a quality phone.
[Nexus S General] KeithRVA:
I don't think 'Nexus X' would make sense because X meant 10th Android phone back when the Droid X was released. How about Nexus Blur? Ha
[Nexus S General] j.bruha:
Hey, I didn't say the Nexus One was perfect. I said it was built better. I don't put HTC on a pedestal for their build quality, I put the Nexus One on the pedestal because it deserves it. I agree with all of your other points about the touch panel since that seems to be almost entirely what the rest of your complaints were based off of. But you also have to keep in mind that the Nexus One came out 7 months before the first Galaxy S variant and long before SAMOLED even existed. a 3.7" WVGA AMOLED was unheard of on any device when it was launched. Hell, it didn't even have multitouch with its shipping firmware!

And again, the back of the Nexus One is Teflon.
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
Not you specifically, but a lot of people still praise the N1 & HTC overall. I happen to disagree.

The Nexus One sounded like a great phone, in my opinion it didn't turn out to be one. I'm not saying it's junk, but it's hardly an example of how to build a great phone in terms of user experience.

I respect that your opinion is different, but I'll point out that >90% of the user experience on a phone like these is based on how the display looks and how the touchscreen responds. The N1 fails to deliver an excellent experience on both those issues. The best thing about it was it's size and the fact that it had Eclair, and was first to get Froyo.

Out of the box, I'd say similar about the Galaxy S phones, only reversed. Out of the box, they were amazing hardware, but the software was so horrible I hated my i9000 the first month or so of owning it. The lag (bad filesystem implementation) made the phone almost unusable once you started loading it up with apps.

The NS is the first one out of the box that is a combination of great hardware and solid software. YMMV.
[Nexus S General] j.bruha:
Humoring the fact that you're not paying attention to the point I'm trying to make and giving in to you turning this into a "which phone is better" argument, what phone would you have recommended as an alternative to the Nexus One when it was released last January? Shy of the OG Droid which suffered from similar issues, there was no other Android device in the same class to compare it to.

Going back to the point of what I said originally, the Nexus One was built out of better materials. Yes, the touch panel sucked compared to what came out 7 months later :rolleyes:, and I'm not advising anyone to drop their NS and go back to a N1 for the same reasons you mentioned and more. My point, as it has been from the beginning, is this:

Teflon+metal+tempered glass > paper-thin plastic+curved scratch-prone glass
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
I'm not sure where these reports of the SNS being badly built or having a scratch prone screen are coming from but I can personally attest to its strength. My phone is naked save for a GA on the screen which I put there to cut down on fingerprints. I used it for 2 weeks completely naked and dropped it multiple times (I'm a klutz). There is not a scratch on it nor a crack, nor any cosmetic defect. When I dropped my Epic the back cover always popped off. Always. Never once has that happened with the Nexus S.

The issue is that people associate cheap feeling with cheap materials. The cheap feeling of the SNS comes from the glossy plastic which while I disagree with the gloss, is a great idea. It cuts weight down significantly. People make too much of the "build quality" of HTC phones which is odd because I can't remember any reports of recent Samsung phones having build quality issues, whereas I'm sure anyone who reads tech news can account for the absolutely horrific screen separation issues of the Evo, the most recent HTC flagship device.