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[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
Moto is the only manufacturer to use something like eFuse on a bootloader. Look at the Moto phones with the eFuse...and none of them are offered on AT&T. While AT&T may have some kind of input on the matter, that point is moot, as the process is one that Moto created, for their own reasons and purposes, and has nothing to do with the carrier(s).

What phones besides Moto's have anything like eFuse? None. The only ones with eFuse are higher end Android phones, phones that AT&T hasn't carried.
[Atrix 4G General] clopes91:
Which high end android phones use Efuses? And what could possibly be the reason for wanting to lock a bootloader that bad? Doesn't Google require all scripts and coding ect to be released by phone makers ?
[Atrix 4G General] miztic:
Motorola did say something about wanting to work with developers, so I'm hoping.. I'll sign an agreement, void my warranty etc..

Moto posted something about their xoom on facebook and at least half the people responding chimed in with something about wanting an unlocked bootloader, I'm not sure how much pressure motorola perceives from this, but I thought it was pretty good.

and unless a moto employee leaks the signing keys, I seriously doubt the bootloader will be unlocked, I doubt they messed up like sony did with the ps3.. unfortunately.
[Atrix 4G General] clopes91:
I was reading and the only phone to claim Efuses from Motorola until now has been the Droid x and it was simply a verification tool to make sure it was a signed OS like iPhones do now so like you said if the key is leaked then it wont be an issue to unlock the bootloader or to make roms that have said signature to he able to boot
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
And the Droid X has custom ROMs, so there is no reason to believe that even if this phone has an eFuse, that there won't be custom ROMs. Is there any Android phone that has been produced that hasn't been hacked? I don't think so.
[Atrix 4G General] clopes91:
I wasnt trying to say that if that's how you took it I am just staying I see that all this bootlocker stuff ect is meaningless because at some point Google makes motor give up the goods or some one cracks it but now we sill have to see what's going to happen with all phone whenever the three different android platforms are released and which phones they are releases upon
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
I agree, it wasn't meant as an attack on you, it just seems like everyone is acting like because the phone may have a locked bootloader that there's no way it will ever be customised/hacked. All I was trying to say, is that based off the history of every Android handset ever made, it will.
[Atrix 4G General] clopes91:
I agree its just a matter of time and it depends on the security measures implemented into the device which no one knows as of now so its just a matter of time
[Atrix 4G General] miztic:
I was under the impression that the custom rom for the droid X wasn't a full rom, it didn't have a new kernel version in it, so upgrading to gingerbread was pretty much impossible.

You need the signing keys to load custom/new kernels, or the phone won't boot.
[Atrix 4G General] efrant:
Really? Those two phones came with unlocked bootloaders? I find that hard to believe, as even my Nexus One, which is a developer phone, came with a locked bootloader... it was unlockable of course...

Sent from my Nexus One
[Atrix 4G General] shadow65781:
The day att tells me I cant keep my unlimited plan will be the day I drop them as a carrier.
[Atrix 4G General] shadow65781:
yep the captivate is fully unlocked super easy to root, to bad samsuck hasnt released the source code.
[Atrix 4G General] sp_1st_timer:
What is the benefit of having a custom ROM compared to simply having the phone unlocked and rooted?
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Exactly my plan.
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
Custom ROMs bring things like different kernels, modems, system modifications, themes, updates, etc.

I have a Captivate so I can give you some examples from that: if it wasn't for custom ROMs, my phone wouldn't have Froyo (there's also a GB port, although it's an alpha). Custom ROMs also brought (free) native tethering, HSPA modems (better than 3G), and lagfixes (in the form of different file systems than stock), among other things.

But the Atrix comes stock with HSPA+ and won't have RFS like Samsung, and I don't care about themes much (might be able to do with just root anyway), so a lot of the issues that my Captivate needed ROMs for won't be a problem with the Atrix.

By the time somebody has significant improvements to make, the bootloader will hopefully be unlocked.
[Atrix 4G General] clopes91:
I have a Samsung captivate running 2.2.1 when 2.2 hasn't even released for my captivate ..... mobile AP which is like sprints mobile hot spot ect ......tl there are allot of other things as well fonts colors features speed modems everything
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Gb on the atrix would be nice.
[Atrix 4G General] mrvirginia:
i would like root just to get rid of crapware. i can prob deal with motoblur, but i need to be able to tweak apks to my liking as well. this can sometimes be accomplished with side loading, but sometimes some tweaks cause an app installer to unsuccessfully install an app. this is where root would come in handy where i could just copy/paste an apk and change permissions.
[Atrix 4G General] shep211:
They released the source code. Some of the driver code was not fully released but this has not stopped custom roms 2.2/2.2.1/2.3 & custom kernels.
[Atrix 4G General] johnnydeathmatch:
Root shouldn't be much of a problem, and from what cnet has said, you'll be able to uninstall the crapware even without root.
[Atrix 4G General] clopes91:
Custom roms aren't the same a just rooting and removing CRAPWARE it brings something different to the device ect but I'm losing interest in the atrix faster and faster they just abounced that tethering is required and you'll lose your unlimited data so forget that
[Atrix 4G General] groves226:
Donate money to a pool and have someone buy time on Amazon's EC2. Use their computing power to crack the bootloader.

Or, BIONIC lab for it like what is being done for the Droids.

Or, FPGA's cost a few hundred grand and can crack a lot of stuff, but well, the EC2/BIONIC looks like the best bet if it is locked.
[Atrix 4G General] upNsmokeAllDay:
So if i get this phone they are going to remove my unlimited data plan that i managed to hang onto?
[Atrix 4G General] ajftl:
and have not 3g? lol ..u crazy
[Atrix 4G General] cegna09:
No. I preordered and kept my unlimited plan. Even managed to get the $100 discount to get the $199 price.
[Atrix 4G General] Inspiredwire:
No. This has been beaten to death. Not to sound mean, but please take a couple of seconds next time to search for the answer before asking in an unrelated thread.
[Atrix 4G General] johdaxx:
What I don't understand is why Moto locks the bootloader up so tight. They've stated vague things like 'meeting user goals' or 'ensuring security' but if there's anything that doing that actually provides to users, then I've missed it.

I mean, Moto is a business, and they differentiate their products to try to make money, right? That's why every Android manufacturer tries to show they're better than the other by skinning Android to try to offer some USP. I don't like it, but it makes sense.

But what on earth is Moto trying to offer to customers by locking it up?
[Atrix 4G General] iammorris:
It's not for the customers' benefit. They do it so that when they have a new phone, they can just stop providing updates for the old one and consumers are forced to buy a whole new phone if they want the latest updates. Means more money for Motorola.

If they don't lock it down, we are able to extend the life of our phones with custom ROMs and Motorola don't make as much money. It has nothing to do with "protecting users" and everything to do with protecting their profits.

I got badly burned with my Motorola Milestone, and there's no way in hell I'll hand money over for an Atrix unless I know for sure I can apply custom firmware. That's why I'm going to wait a while before buying.
[Atrix 4G General] krkeegan:
The Motorola Milestone project that you refer to may never find a crack. They freely admit that even using the distributed BIONIC platform it could take hundreds of thousands of years to crack the encryption.

Of course, they could get lucky and discover it tomorrow.

Bottom line, people shouldn't get their hopes up that any crack of the encryption will ever occur.
[Atrix 4G General] Squeak22:
This is definitely part of it, but what they claim is that it's to ensure a consistent user experience and the operators like to keep their infrastructure safe. Everytime there's a new ROM with custom SMS/MMS and phone clients, it's something that could break the operators network.

Don't get my wrong, I love me some custom roms, but the operators hate it.
[Atrix 4G General] Maximum Bob Lutz:
In my mind, the most important factor to consider is that all the Motorola phones that had locked bootloaders (Milestone, DX, D2) used pretty much the same Qulcomm Snapdragon CPU, and its safe to assume that the eFuse chip had to be specially designed to accommodate that specific chip, whereas the Atrix is rocking a Terga 2, and we have seen no evidence that an eFuse has even been made for the Nvidia chips.
[Atrix 4G General] Digital1325:
The best way to pressure Motorola for an unlocked bootloader is to boycott their phones. If their profit plummits, then they'll have a reason to sell them unlocked. This'll never happen though (as the percentage of people that would benefit from it are probably no where close to even being noticed), so with that being said, I doubt we'll ever see an "unlock tool" (by Motorola).

So this is all pointless.
[Atrix 4G General] thatoneguy247:
I would agree with this for a more mass-marketed phone, but I just don't see Motorola selling many of these without support from developers. There are so many choices for android phones now that I can't imagine many people paying over the $99 the inspire costs to get the atrix, even if it has different specs.

Motorola can either lock the bootloader, hurt sells, and wait for it to be unlocked eventually by devs, or just release the atrix unlocked and let the devs have it their way. We'll see

just imo
[Atrix 4G General] mjgunn:
You're right, the best way would be to not buy the phones...that is, if everyone was like us. Of course in reality, we (the people who want to modify the phones) are a small percentage of the market that and us not buying would probably barely make a blip on the sales charts.

Right now our best option is to (politely) hit up motorola's twitter and facebook accounts, and remind them of their statements here

http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/01/...atrix-4g-and-future-android-phones-after-all/

And tell them, ok, we're getting VERY close to availability now, what is this solution you were talking about.
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
Design Gear was able to extract the kernel and ramdisk from the boot.img	__________________
[Atrix 4G General] nucentury08:
I won't touch this phone until I can load any apk I want and not with adb and stock Rom no go no root no go happy on my nexus s 3235 quadrant I wanna buy the atrix but locked down no point also it won't have a nfc chip or gyroscope like nexus s or iPhone 4 for new future games
[Atrix 4G General] perdurabo2:
You could learn how to do it yourself, instead of pestering volunteers who volunteer their time & energy releasing these tools so people like you can use them. Talk about looking the gift horse in the mouth.
[Atrix 4G General] groves226:
EC2

here is a PPT from Black Hat talking about using the EC2 W/CUDA to break encryption.

The live demo took a few minutes to break WPA/PSK.

It could work.

https://media.blackhat.com/bh-dc-11/Roth/BlackHat_DC_2011_Roth_Breaking encryptions-Slides.pdf
[Atrix 4G General] sethk:
Sorry if this is a naive question, but does this help in the creation / loading of custom kernels?
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
A quick update. There is a rumor hinting that the March 1 development summit that Motorola announced at MWC is when they currently plan to provide more info about their previous statement regarding the signed bootloader and developers. Here's hoping for great news.
[Atrix 4G General] Getaphixx:
If only.... If only!!!!!!!!

Dumb bootloader Dumber Motorola
[Atrix 4G General] Digital1325:
*thumbs crossed*
[Atrix 4G General] jimmypopulous:
If idiots would stop blowing their collective wad over farking cellphone hardware and send a message by not purchasing these devices, we'd be off to a good start. It takes some interesting cognitive gymnastics to hold a hardon for a *phone* and simultaneously criticize the manufacturer.
[Atrix 4G General] MeX_DK:
Ehm, the Droid X has a custom rom yes. But that rom is based on the original kernel and thus not a true "custom" rom at that at all. So the Droid X is NOT hacked....

That is indeed correct. The Droid X is "just" a rom made from the Motorola Kernel, and thus being accepted into the phone. So no Gingerbread on the Droid X unless Motorole releases an update that contains it.

A custom rom, usually allows you to expand the life of your phone. In that, that using a custom rom you are no longer "locked" in with the maker of your phone in expecting them to do updates. By using a custom rom you will most likely always be able to find an updated version on the internet as they are updated and are getting bugfixes regularly. But root just allows you to do more stuff with your phone, while unlocking it genereally means you can use it on other networks.

Unless by unlocking you mean breaking the locked/encrypted bootloader, which is not unlocking btw.

Nvidia has support for a SBK, a form of secure key from which images on the phone can be verified as far as I understand it. So while the Tegra2 does not have eFuse it will most likely just have another form of security that will otherwise rival the eFuse etc. But lets hope not, or hope it gets broken >_>
[Atrix 4G General] tuantuti:
+1 :D:D:D for this. Hopefully my Viettel sim will work
[Android Apps and Games] B. East:
Has any one seen or know of a port of the old game scramble for android? I know pacman and others have been ported. Scramble was on of the best side scrolling games ever made.
[Android Apps and Games] kieranc:
Surely an emulator would be your best bet?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] smokinmacgun:
okai, so, heres the long and short of it. WP7 on NAND, Hspl3'd, 2.15 radio and a range of SD Cards, the one I'm using currently is a 16gb Kingston Class 4 but the problem also appears on the standard HTC card that came with the phone and a 4gb Sandisk Class 4 (This leading me to believe it isn't and SD problem).

The phone flashes all correctly and boots back into MAGLDR, i then reset MAGLDR (just in case, ya know) and go to boot WP7.

Heres where my confusion kicks in. Sometimes, it boots first time, it goes through booting fine. other times, i get 5 seconds into the DFT logo bootscreen and it crashes, re-booting the phone. And most of all, i get 1 2 3 4 5 6 GO GO GO! and it crashes and re-boots the phone *sigh*

this persists over multiple OS and MAGLDR 1.12 flashes and seems to all be dependent on time. If the phone crashes once (fails to boot) it wont boot again at all for the next 10-30 minutes, then, if sufficient time is passed, it will boot without issue. And yeah, i don't think its heat related, the phone stays fairly cool throughout the process (I've had my phone get hotter on an underclocked android build :P)

Any ideas? i apologise if this has been addressed elsewhere, but ive kept my ear to the ground in this forum for a few days and have done a few searches, as far as i know, this is a new and confusing issue :L thanks in advance.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] arkatis:
Hey mate... Weird case... Did you tried to Wipe the phone to Factory settings? (I mean uninstall hspl,android magdlr e.tc???) Try it and post here with your results... Just make an installation of the Winmo 6.5 only!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] smokinmacgun:
Give it a shot now, just to be sure, flashing a standard Winmo rom wipes my HSPL don't it?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] igrind2:
have you tried formatting the sd card with panasonic sd formatter...if not i think its worth a shot...make sure to set in options to full (erase on)...hope that helps
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] arkatis:
No.. you can still have the HSPL and stuff! Somewhere here i saw a topic about Uninstalling all these together!

In addition try the comment above mine and post your results!

If it's not the problem then try Mgdlr 1.11 with Android build... Most probably something went wrong with the installation!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] smokinmacgun:
I use the sd formatter from SDcard.org, but yeah, full erase has been a button ive pushed somewhere along the line, alas to no avail
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] smokinmacgun:
The problem is WP7 specific, I've never really had much trouble with Android builds on Nand :P
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] arkatis:
Wp7 boot problems are related to your SD card then! Wp7 is known to have these problems on several SD cards... I use Chinese cards (not branded) and are working just fine... i have 8gb class 4 and 16gb class 6.. LOL! :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] smokinmacgun:
Its what i thought at first, but seriously, 3 different brands of card all crapping out? Kingston and sandisk cards work for others on top of that, but i think now you guys have given me enough to get on with, i edit OP if i ever get it working :L thanks a bunch for the advice
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] ftgg99:
I heard about the Adam's apps getting ported to the G-Tab, so i thought id try some of them on my Tab.

I couldnt find the original versions, but of the ported ones Sniffer and Quickoffice worked almost perfectly (both would get stuck for a second when scrolling quickly). Couldnt get the browser to work at all, though people say its magical and whatnot.

Is anyone interested in giving it a crack?
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] ayman07:
could u post up the apps? too lazy to rip them out myself :P
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] ftgg99:
I cant find the originals and have no idea how to rip them out of the dumps im afraid. I used to ones from the post above...
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] Boushh:
All of the ones in the linked thread worked for me on my tab (I haven't tested the mail'd app yet, will update after I do).

With the browser apk, you must first use root explorer and navigate to /system/app and rename your default Browser.apk to Browswer.apk.bak and then it will install. To go back to the stock modified samsung browser just rename Browser.apk.bak to Browser.apk.

The keyboard would be nice if it wasn't so bad.

Browser is really nice, I'm going to compare it to Dolphin for a while.

Calendar is worthless IMO, not nearly as good as the Samsung one (albeit a lot better looking)

Quickoffice HD IS AWESOME!

Sniffer is unnecessary IMO

Canvas is entertaining

Calculator is nice.

Thanks to the OP for reminding me to check these out!

Edit- I got mail'd working, just install THIS APK it's really sick!

Edit2- For those people that don't read the whole thread, just the first couple posts, it looks like you will need to have a screen density of 180 or so to be able to display the apks full screen. Just FYI.
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] Guitarfreak26:
My maild just gets stuck on the opening screen with your apk, also i cant install browser despite renaming :(
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] jongilluley:
I had trouble installing browser but just rename the old one, transfer the new apk to the same folder an install it from there an.it works great.

Ive had no probs with maild. Works fine for me!
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] Boushh:
Yeah, sorry, Browser.apk has to be in /system before you can install it.

Also, it's not my apk, I just pulled it out of the flashable zip archive that's linked. No credit to me at all.
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] jesand83:
Any special trick for getting the canvas app to work? I get a FC every time I I press the paint. On a stock Verizon Tab (no root)

Also the Mail'd app goes off the screen and there is no way to scroll over without it springing right back. Makes it hard to see what is in the folder you're looking at.

Anyone else seeing this?
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] jongilluley:
For the maild app ur gonna need to change the lcd density to something like 180 or 160.

Mines at 160 an i c the whole 3 panes in maild.
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] darrenjdoc:
Its a pity you have to change the lcd density as its a dam smart email app.

Thanks for the apk though i prefer the density bigger :)
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] darrenjdoc:
QuickOffice looks good too but the browser is excellent.

It works really well on the Tab. The best one i have used yet :)
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] ftgg99:
I believe the originals can be had over at tithing. Anyone tested them yet?
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] Boushh:
I highly recommend running the tab at a LCD density of 180 (haven't tried 160). The screen is just too big and all the icons are unnecessarily large with the default density of 240.
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] ayman07:
Agreed. 180 is perfect for me though it cuts off a little of the mail'd app. I tried 160 and the notification bar kept changing colors depending on the background which was annoying.

From the Tab.

www.twitter.com/ayman07
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] cruzzmz:
anyone got the maild working with exchange mail?

i tried mine but no avail :(

seems like the browser also cannot work for me
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] TheGrammarFreak:
180 breaks the camera though :(
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] roy8846:
How about 182??
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] ftgg99:
Mine works just fine at 180... (JK5)
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] MartanCJ:
Office suite is nice, but ThinkFree office is better I think :)

I tried browser also and I just don't like it, I'd like to instal back old browser. I deleted browser.apk (Notion INK) from system/app, rename browser.apk.bak back to browser.apk and tried to instal but it always shows me error. How can I instal it? Thanks
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] edzilla:
Same here. It keeps asking for an smtp server even though with exchange and activesync you're not supposed to configure it on the device...
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] ftgg99:
reboot should fix it...
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] tushar.das:
Thanks for the mail'd APK, it's awesome...Wicked awesome..
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] grainysand:
Ehhh, the browser seems finicky. The tab-switch button is way difficult to use, or maybe that's just me being clumsy? Sticking with Miren for now, since it practically looks like Chrome anyway.
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] zyborg:
Sorry, if this question makes me sound like at noob, but HOW do you change the LCD density to 180?
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] mac1521:
You need root, busybox and lcd density changer. Search in market - it's pretty easy.
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] Pat123:
I would love to see this on my Tab! Apart from the apps, I believe Eden UI should be ported too! That would suffice until the time the Tab gets Honeycomb!
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] Justin^Tan:
Canvas and Mail'd FC for me

i use 180 LCD so that the mail'd fit the screen, but apparently going into setting FC all the time

Canvas FC ASAP

I'm on modaco r3 kernel + modaco ROM beta 4
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] lxxxxxr:
It's easier to use sgs tools prop editor to change density attribute ;-)
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] Pat123:
Anyone tried the apks from Nook Dev Section on Galaxy Tab? They have all the Notion Ink Apps working fine!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=928832
[Galaxy Tab  Android Development] paulshields:
erm... check the first post in this thread. This is what's being discussed :p.