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[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
+1. I could totally roll with that...
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
It is pitty to read some comments here.

When will you finally understand than flash is much more than damn YouTube videos.

We need Flash asap, there are dozens of pages written on simple flash which are blank spots on my browser. This is somewhat crippled experience.

It's horrible MS lazyness regarding that. It should be ready long time ago.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
When I encounter a situation where missing Flash will be a real life problem for me. Right now it's not. I probably wouldn't even have noticed its absence if I haven't read about it. Believe it or not, there are people who don't care.

Well, you may need it asap. I need other things first, so I really hope they have different priorities. The OS is lacking in so many areas, and you need Flash first? Come on. I'd rather they work on copy/paste, ability to send contacts, system-wide file handlers, backup on demand, Marketplace improvements, battery life optimizations. I need to be able to open attachments from calendar appointments like I could do on WM and unlike it is on iOS, Android and WP7. I need Russian keyboard and autocorrection, dammit. I need ability to send attachments from various programs, not just Office and Pictures. I need working .m4a podcasts. I need... Well, tons of things.

This is not to say that there's something wrong with your desire to have Flash, or that it shouldn't be done for whatever reason, just wanted to give you a different perspective.

And no, this isn't by far a major user complaint right now. Notice how much time passed till this thread appeared.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Hey but I'm absolutely not diminishing these things!

Of course you're right. I was just responding to flash thread.

But as you say some people don't care about flash support, believe me most lf users don't care about russian language support or calendar attachements.

You know what I mean - different users need different things sometimes.

That's why WP7 needs all that to support many different type of customers.

And hopefully MS thinks this way.

And as I say, I have dozens of websites I can't view right now and this is frustrating.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
I'm sure it is, but the way I see it - a webpage that only offers Flash is a complete fail.

Sure Flash support would be nice to have, nobody is saying it wouldn't. At the same time do you really want Flash support that is buggy? I sure as hell don't. Given the choice between a fully fluid Flash experience and one similar to the majority of Android devices on the market, I vote for no support. IMO it's more frustrating actually getting the page loaded only to find out it's sluggish than not getting a page at all.

TBQH I don't think we will get fully featured Flash support on the current hardware. I don't think it's powerful enough for it. Hence my earlier statement that I think we'll get it later in the year when more powerful hardware is supported. Microsoft, not Adobe, has ever said Flash is coming to the current WP7 devices - they said they are working on it and it'll come in the future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Exactly. It has a long way to go to be a true "universal" platform. There are arguments for and against each feature (like expanding language support could help go to non-operator-controlled markets, which are easier for "pull" type strategies as they don't depend on those pesky T-Mo sales reps, etc. etc.). I'm sure they have lots of discussions and need to sacrifice things to get other things done instead.

Unfortunately it's not just a matter of money, and even that isn't infinite, especially when we're talking about a product with unclear perspectives.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
I dont get this laggy, choppy expiriance people are talking about. I had flash on my desire and it ran smooth as a pc was great. I dont even care if it runs in browser if i can click a flash video and have it play but it is the one thing i feel is missing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I don't get it either, but you know how this particular forum is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Agreed

Three sites within as many minutes that I could not view something because Flash was missing. Sites I routinely viewed with WM 6.5.x. Flash is much more than that silly YouTube crap.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Seed 2.0:
The YouTube videos via the App seem to be limited to small poor quality videos. I want to be able to watch embedded videos on all the sites I visit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Smooth as what type of PC? Heck, I've seen sites that lag even on my 2x quad-core Xeon server. Sure, it's because of crappy coding in those cases, but still.

As for Flash on the phone, I've yet to see an implementation that's really smooth - apart from video. But Flash is a lot more than just video.
[Windows Phone 7 General] legbuh:
On my N1 the flash videos on pages you could tap and they'd go to full screen... at least most. If not you could simply zoom them to full screen with a stretch.

I want to be able to watch other videos not on youtube, and not even all of those work with the W7P youtube app.

For example, Top Gear! They have many hours of videos that if you like that show, you can really pass the time while on a trip. :) There's always youporn.com too.. lol... and now sites like Zulu or whatever it is where you can watch full shows.

Maybe someone could post a video of choppy flash on an android to explain what they mean... of course, make sure it's not the data connection causing the issue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mlococo:
So is there any update on FLASH for Windows Phone? Adobe has been promising this for quite a while now.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheiPhoneKiller:
Hey everyone

Really want the gpc Kernel unfortunently all i found so far is its only in roms

would be nice to have the kernel seperate

Any help would be great :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ClydeB1:
You can try this courtesy of hg3atintin. Haven't tried it yet myself ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] irizo:
i want it 2..................but i couldn't find any latest Kernel of gpc....i mean after v2.6
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cicivic:
i want it 3
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] christopherwoods:
Although I'm a fairly experienced WinMo user I was initially completely dumbfounded by TouchLockPro's setup UI. For some reason, after reflashing to Jackos ROM (after using DeepShining for a day - brand new TP2) values i know should be in some boxes on the Nav Sensor tab are blank and I have no idea what to put in them. The manual - what exists of it - is indecipherable to me in places and the Quick Setup guide on the web site is anything but.

I tried choosing the phone profile from the small dropdown box (to 6: 'HTC Rhodium (Touch Pro 2)') but even after resetting all the TLP settings to Defaults and trying again, I still can't get some things like the zoombar unlock features to work. (just can't get it to accept input to perform lock/unlock actions). The proximity sensor constantly reports -1 or 0 even though it's marked as enabled in the registry and obviously works because the screen blanks when I'm making a call (and turns on again as soon as I take it away from my head).

I really want to love this program and feel that it solves the problem I'm currently having (...no good device lock!) but I can't figure out how to configure it correctly to actually do what I expect of it. Anybody else who's run the gauntlet with the TLP setup interface care to give me some pointers or point me at a good setup tutorial?

Cheers

Chris
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ZuinigeRijder:
You will have more luck when you post your question in this thread:

TouchLockPro thread

So also others can help.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Snakebear:
Just bought my G2 last night. Quickly I rooted/S-off/unlocked it. I decided to stick with the stock rom as I don't like dealing with bugs, etc.. I would however like to be able to overclock using SetCPU. I need to flash an OCable kernel to achieve this with the stock 2.2 Rom yes? I tried to flash one via clockwork like i would flashing a new rom but I got stuck in a looping HTC screen and had to Nandroid back. I was reading up a little on bacon bits and it says something about pushing in ADB but I'm unfamiliar with ADB (think I used it to flash my Slide but that's about it). I tried searching around for kernel info but I couldn't find much. Any help is appreciated.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jojo_16:
Pershoots kernel for CM roms only
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Snakebear:
Well I think I got ADB up and running and understand how to push but now it seems the baconbits link is dead...

Is baconbits my best bet?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jojo_16:
No kernels for stock rom, CM 6.1.1 is stable try that maybe you'll like it, pershoots support that rom too
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Snakebear:
Oh okay thanks. I might try that out. What known issues does CM 6.1 have? Does it support swype? I missed that feature when I Flashed it on my MyTouch Slide and ended up going with a rooted version of the stock rom.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ianmcquinn:
You should take a look through the dev forum for some of the older threads starting with "[KERNEL]." I remember there being a couple that supported overclocking on stock (but it's been a long time). Also, the BaconBits link worked for me, so you might want to try it again (otherwise, I think there is an older version of it you can flash directly through ROM Manager).

As far as CM goes, I use it on my G2 and haven't had any major problems that didn't have workarounds. You can use Swype with it (either the official beta or there are some guides for backing up/restoring Swype from the stock ROM).
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Quickill:
Hi, i flashed wp7 on my hd2 and my data connections is very slow. I have HSDPA signal, but speed of internet is slow like GPRS. It's not usefull for downloading from market, bing maps and so.

I have radio 2.07.50.27_2, provider is O2 czech.

Any ideas or solutions?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] haksam:
which wp7 guide did you follow? most of them recommended flash 2.15 radio FIRST before installing wp7
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Quickill:
thx, for answer

it was one of the first guides that was released, i don't remember exactly.

But...if i flash 2.15 right now, do you think, it repairs my problem or i have to flash wp7 once more?

I'll try it and we will see :-/
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] CrAzYiaN:
doubt it, everyone says that 2.15 works really well for faster internet BUT be warned it does drain your battery faster tho. So don't say we didn't warn you about this.
[Nexus S General] nickbarbs:
Hi guys,

So i'm running with the samsung captivate and as we know the development for that phone is completely outstanding and i'd say is probably the best for the Galaxy S lines in terms of quality of roms, and the variety you can choose from.

My buddy got a nexus S and he likes android but he's not happy with his nexus S as it stands now. His problems are mostly around slow browser, he says he has reception issues with vodaphone UK whereas before he had none, and the phone often hangs and can get slow, battery life is bad.

Now i wanted to ask you guys in the development forum if its worth it for me to root/unlock his nexus S (i've read up on unlocking the bootloader etc so I think I can pull it off) and load one of these custom roms. However, I dont think any of these roms are very well developed.

Do most of you experience good performance on the Nexus S with stock google updates? Do you think my friend has a dud phone, or should I go ahead and put Bionix on his phone? I dont want to be his tech support going forward, so I fear the rom is still very beta and I dont want to be stuck always helping him, but if one flash will set him for at least a few months i dont mind helping him.

Any thoughts? thanks.

edit: my face is red.. can a mod move this to general please ?
[Nexus S General] sedde:
Um wow, well i got my nexus s couple of weeks ago, and i did run it with the stock for for almost a week, and i cant say the same things as your friend. The phone is really fast, battery is ok ( it dies as all the smartphones within a day if you play a lot with it ) and no hangings what so ever.

Maybe tell him to make a hard reset, or if he installed a lot of things, then try to install less things after the hard reset.

You can make it blazingly fast if you use a custom kernel, i was using modaco r10 as rom and 1.3ghz bionix kernel, and trust me it was fast fast fast. Only minor thing was the restarts here and there.

Other than that the phone is really fast and stable, with no problems whatsoever.
[Nexus S General] RinTinTigger:
Wrong section, please avoid!
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
make sure your friend is using 3G and not stuck on EDGE

not sure which frecuency Vodaphone UK runs on, but last i recal they are on the same bands as Orange UK

Nexus S 3G runs on 900/1700/2100
[Defy General] chaihg:
I got a replacement from Amazon because my earlier defy had a random reboot problem. However now I have two phones with me and when I compare them, the newest replacement seems very plasticky. The black model of european seems to be like a bad paint job of white US model coated with a black paint. Also the volume rocker and power buttons make the plastic sound when pressed.

Is this the latest european model that is being released in the market. If yes, then most of you who bought these pieces have a sub-standard quality of this phone. I loved my old phone and the smooth finish with extra smooth buttons.

Any inputs from anyone?
[Defy General] naenee:
I have a European version which exhibits none of the symptoms you describe.
[Defy General] gdodinet:
Got mine at amazon(.fr) two weeks ago to replace my desire (it fell hard on the floor and the glass is now broken).

I see the exact same symptoms you describe: cheap power and volume buttons, and overall very plasticky look and feel. That was kind of a disappointment. Then i have been even more disappointed when i realized i wouldn't be able to flash custom roms - i miss my cyanogen.

Well, this is a kind of cheap android device and it sure feels cheap. Won't buy any another moto device nor would i recommend it, that's for sure. In the meantime i try to get the best out of it.
[Defy General] naenee:
Your experiences sure are odd. If you had not both specified that you got your phones from Amazon, I would have thought you had used ebay and gotten some shoddy copies of a fine device.

That said, the phone does use a lot of plastic, but that is something that any review will tell you.

And who does not read at least one review before buying a device nowadays?

The same goes for what can be done, ROM-wise. I checked out XDA Developers before I clicked the final 'Purchase' button, so in that regard there were no surprises for me either.
[Defy General] gdodinet:
Sure reviews tell you it uses plastic. But whatever you read, unless you experience it for yourself you don't really realize. Concerning the power and volume buttons, i didn't realize it wasn't normal until i read the op.

Beside, one only really reads what seems to matter at the time of the reading: this is a super-resistant device -- put it under water, throw it against the walls, hell, yeah, i'm all in. That's what got me on board, i didn't really thought about roms, and next time i will pay more attention.

So, yes, i'm a bit disapointed, but Android still is a great toy, even with *that* device.
[Defy General] chaihg:
I think you dint read my question quite right. What i opined was that my first defy which I just returned back to amazon was a gem. It has those buttons as soft as rubber and the body build itself was different. I used it for 4months and had to give it back to due some hardware problem. Now the one I got yesterday seems a completely different build. Now those are things that no review will be able to tell you right?. Something I thought I will share with other users. It might be that Motorola just started to produce this kind of cheap builds owing to surge in demand.

That said, no complaints on this one too. But i do miss that classic finish and soft soundless buttons. :(
[Defy General] SemperEgo:
Did you get a BT/BF or blue dot device from Amazon.fr?

I was planning on buying a Defy from Amazon but this is bad news...

Why is it so hard to get a decent Defy... First there was the earpiece problem, now this.
[Defy General] m0nk3e:
I got mine from clevertronic.de in mid November, think it wasn't even out on amazon.de by then.

I also thought that the power and volume button seemed rather cheap looking... and clacking (at the beginning I didn't know where that clacking sound came from, thought something was wrong with the drive or something).

But until now I thought that'd be normal so I didn't complain.

Really odd.
[Defy General] thenext1:
"I tought this was normal until I read this post"

I don't really understand these people complaining about previously-normal (to them) things. It's like when the fear spreads for a pandemic.

I have got a BT33 black european defy, and I repute the build quality excellent even for that price. Sure, it is plastic, but what did you expect from a €300 phone? Brushed aluminium?

Do you think that more expensive phones are all metal builds?

Just look at the Acer Liquid Metal: you can long see it from the pics it won't be nearly the same build quality of the Defy, that it will screak when held in hand. Despite the name, it only comes with a small strip of metal in the back. I also guess the front glass is not even glass, let alone gorilla glass. And that's for €50 more than a Defy.

Anyways mine has no creaking when squeezed in the hand, the back cover paint is soft-touch and well done, the front bezel is well built, glass is perfectly aligned, back cover not bulging, side covers intact, and the volume keys only make a slight click if I shake the phone.

You're all being too picky.
[Defy General] SimboXXX:
Mine is an all black European model. The buttons are plastic rather than rubber but they don't rattle about or click, and i've never thought of them as being cheap-feeling.

The paint finish on the screws did start to wear off pretty quickly though.
[Defy General] K r i ll e:
Also have the european black model, from november.

Plastic buttons that rattle slightly, and frontshell dont fit 100% with the backshell. Everything else looks quite expensive.

For around 300€ with the powerful hardware inside its a catch in my opinion.

Sent from my Defy
[Defy General] scrannel:
FWIW, T-MO USA just sent me a replacement Defy. Not the Euro model, of course. But the same high quality of my original and has the BT prefix.
[Defy General] pjcons:
Got mine from telstra aus. It's sweet. I've soaked it in beer and dropped it numerous times. Not a scratch!
[Defy General] naenee:
What are you referring to with 'Euro model'? Do you mean the version with the white rubber section, as opposed to it being black?

I wasn't aware either was area/continent-specific, as both can be purchased in Europe.

If you are somehow implying that European build quality is less than.. well, the build quality of where-ever you are, I doubt there is any difference.
[Defy General] chaihg:
To strengthen my argument i am going to post snaps of the two variants tonight. Hopefully my wife should not have mailed it off to amazon.
[Defy General] naenee:
Please do, I find pictures help a lot when trying to explain something about the look of a product.
[Defy General] scrannel:
I meant the phone mentioned above with the all black case. Not saying the Europeans don't know how to make good phones since they're most all made in China anyway (I hear there are some made in South America).

But the poster was suggesting he had gotten a low quality phone

. T-MO in the US only ships the phone with the white case, I believe.
[Defy General] hung_mtuci:
I alos have a European version which exhibits some of the symptoms you describe.
[Defy General] naenee:
Indeed, they're made in Asia - I would have suggested that as a counter, but seeing your reply, that's not necessary.

Ah, I see. I think some materials had to be different due to this phone being sturdier. Plastic and rubber can be very durable.
[Defy General] gdodinet:
I'm not sure what you're referring to with BT/BF and "blue dot device", so i guess that's a no: i didn't get such a phone from amazon.
[Defy General] SemperEgo:
"Seemingly there is a potential problem with early versions of this phone where the earpiece fails. Moto have fixed this issue in later phones which are marked with: BTxx or BFxx or a Blue Dot on the label inside the phone under the battery."

Here is an example:

You see the BT33
[Defy General] sverheijden:
I just wished I never read this thread! The Defy was the next phone for me, but now im hesitant to order one, since I'm in Europe.

VERY interesting thread though!

I'm wondering if the differences in builds is specific to the black or black/white version. (since they are obviously different, i can imagine Motorola uses two factories to build them)

In that case, i guess i should get the black one.

Any comments on this?
[Defy General] gdodinet:
I just checked it and I got a BT33 as well. So that's a yes, finally :)
[Defy General] chaihg:
OK guys, I dont have a very good camera nor am I good with it. But here goes the explanation. One is BT33 (left) and other is B09(right). The B09 was really good (read my previous comparisons) while the BT33 is not that good.

I must reiterate that the build is not very bad that I am seeing many people turn away. Its just that there were better builds before when the model was launched and I seem to have got one of those first ones from Amazon dealer. In fact I was the one who booked it right after they started offering it.

I have tried to show the difference in the panels too. The BT33 has a matt finish while B09 had a much better finish. Forgetting the aesthetic issues, the volume rocker and power button certainly are no match for the BT33.

It seems most of you have got that model and never were able to look at B09.

Zoom on both of them, take a careful look and then I will appreciate your comments. :)

http://img213.imageshack.us/i/dsc04130n.jpg/

http://img714.imageshack.us/i/dsc04132a.jpg/

http://img145.imageshack.us/i/dsc04134r.jpg/
[Defy General] naenee:
Hm. I checked mine, and I have a B08:

*update* click this for a larger image that works in TapaTalk
[Defy General] Simplestas:
So umm... So newer one has lower half which is less glossy / less matching gloss frame / more plasticky?
[Defy General] naenee:
I am not sure what the exact differences are; Mine has a glossy front border and a matte back border. As for build quality, it seems fine, or to be more specific - I am satisfied.
[Defy General] chaihg:
Absolutely right. Newer builds are diluted. Or as someone said, it might be modification of the hardware to keep away the ear piece problem and some other issues unknown to us.

I would want to know the build number of US phones. Anyone?
[Defy General] Corwynder:
Well, I bought my phone on Februay 2. I have a build number of BF19

All the black on it is mat black (except the screen of course). Back half is white and plasticky with a black battery cover. It all seems to be plasticky but does appear to be a solid build. This is a U. S. phone by the way.
[Defy General] MarSOnEarth:
I received my replacement phone from T-Mo USA. Happy to say that the replacement phone is new from (one of the) new production runs; mine is the BT09 series. Also, having the phones side by side, I see no difference in build quality; both phones feel equally solid, with no rattling switches, and the materials (plastics) look and feel the same.