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[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
There's still hope. Right now I'm in Washington DC for the weekend. From my hotel room, I'm pulling 1.1-1.4 Mbps down on 3G and 6-7 Mbps down on 4G, which is pretty awesome. Here's to hoping it hits all of us soon. I have faith in them now, especially since there's nowhere to run anymore :P

The only issue I'm having with the phone itself (it may be due to network overcrowding in my area in NYC) is data connection on any Sense ROM drops randomly and won't reconnect on its own. On CM7 or any other Gingerbread ROM (like Deck's), data works flawlessly. I never made any changes to the phone, so I guess I'll see if the issue exists here in DC too.

EDIT: Wow, Clearwire really sucks d*ck. They ARE as bad as their customers say they are, even to us Sprint users. I was trying to download Deck's latest beta (74 MB), and it would stop at 37 MB, and download insanely slow, despite the fact that I'm on 7 Mbps 4G right now. Web pages load fine, YouTube loads fine. Downloads are horribly slow. As soon as I turned off 4G and went back to 3G, I'm getting normal download speeds. Sprint should just buyout Clearwire already. They're really damaging their reputation.
[EVO 4G General] tmwilsoniv:
Product F(RED),

The slowdown or interruption you experienced while downloading your file may have been due to a temporary capacity issue. But judging from the time of your post, it's more likely that Clear was performing some maintenance on their tower. Clear performs routine maintenance between 12:00 AM and 5:30 AM roughly five days each month. As a user, you may experience unstable or intermittent connections. You will also experience fluctuating download speeds; speeds that might bounce between 150 kbps and 6.0 Mbps.

I used to get angry when my Netflix would tank at 2:00 AM. Now I just smile. I'm happy knowing that Clear is on the job.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Most people don't. You refuse to accept the data. Here's some logic for you.

1. T-Mo will flip the switch to 42 Mbps HSPA+ very soon, compare that to Sprint's current 12 Mbps average ceiling for WiMax. Real world speeds of about 20-25 Mbps make it four times as fast as Sprint's promised real world speeds of 3-6 Mbps.

2. They offer a off contract no obligation unlimited talk, text, and web plan for $70. $70 for unlimited everything, $20-30 less than Sprint's. And yes, you get kicked off of high speed data after 5GB but get unlimited edge-like speeds after.

3. According to a 2010 study by Nielsen Co. the average smartphone user uses less than 300mb a month. The average user will get 4700+ MB more than they will ever use.

To deny that's not a great deal for the AVERAGE user is to be plain stupid. How much data do you personally use? There's a good chance it's not over 5GB.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Sorry, I meant while tethering on 4G, it would download slower than tethering on 3G. The difference is 4G is Clear and 3G is Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] Jjday7:
I have been tethering off 4g for a couple days now and was wondering if anyone knows if sprint can see data being used on 4g?
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Pretty sure no. It goes through Clearwire. Also when you use 4G it isn't shown under data usage on your Sprint account because of that. Not like it matters anyways since you have unlimited data either way.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I REFUSE to continue this argument [which is from a different thread] with someone that will do ANYTHING [and ignore ANY truth] just to defend their good buddy [whom they're not even with] T-mobile.

Three truths that you continue to ignore, then I'm DONE:

1) There's NO WAY (Is that big enough for you to get yet?) that you can notice a difference between 12 mbps and 42 mbps on a phone with normal usage. (Browsing, Email, Picturemail, Downloading apps, Normal app usage, Streaming music)

2) It is AN ABSOLUTE FACT that as bandwidth for the end user increases the internet usage demands INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY.

Evidence? The internet used to be 95% text in the dial up days, now...well it's not even close.

In mobile terms we are quickly leaving the "dial up days" which means that the mobile internet demand is going to be leaving them as well and data usage will grow like crazy.

3) There is NO POINT (again, big enough for YOU to understand?) in offering 42mbps when the cap is slow low.

It is NOTHING MORE than a pissing contest...

It is NOTHING MORE THAN A SELLING POINT FOR FOOLS LIKE YOU...

...If you cannot use those speeds for what they are meant for.

What are they meant for?

(Well, for the third time I will spell that out FOR YOU, since you seem to be the

ONLY PERSON ON THESE FORUMS

that doesn't get it [or just wants to argue and not admit you're wrong])

HD Video streaming [Hey! Something that's just getting started and will pretty much GUARANTEE an increase in the "average" users usage!], movement of large files in high bandwidth situations [say torrent downloading] and server related tasks.

Can't do ANY of those things for ANY worthwhile period of time with such a low cap.

THE END.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Phone connects to Sprint's 4G servers though, so wouldn't be surprised if it didn't go through something sprint owns.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Sprint doesn't own 4G servers. It's all Clearwire. WiMax is like Wifi on steroids; when you connect to a Wifi network, you're sending data through your ISP, not Sprint. Same with 4G. And from what I've heard and read about Clearwire's separately-advertised 4G service, it's horrible.
[EVO 4G General] Jjday7:
Well that should keep me in the clear for tethering then. I only use it on 4g. I am precautions because I don't want to he cancelled. Well a part of me does but part of me doesnt. As long as the Etf is waiver.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Why when you're tethered or not-tether and on 4G and you look up the ISP IP you're connected through, it'll show its owned by Sprint?
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
It might be that Clearwire has set aside some of its servers for Sprint and labeled them as Sprint so customers don't get confused, but they are definitely 100% owned by Clearwire, not Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] abanh:
You would have a point if 3g speeds on Sprint were anywhere near 12mbp/s. Sprint has 2 different issues when it comes to 3g and 4g: 3g speeds are pathetically slow, 4g coverage sucks but speeds are fine. I'm in Houston, and at my house I get between 50-250 kb/s on 3g, 4g doesn't work unless I go to the backyard and hold the phone just right. 4g speeds are fine when I can get a signal and I'm stationary, but people aren't complaining about 4g speeds in this thread. It's the 3g speeds that are generating the complaints.

That's true. I don't believe any one is arguing that internet usage is decreasing.

True 42mb/s isn't necessary and you won't see that in the real world, but it'd be nice to get speeds faster than 200kb/s. My buddy's Tmobile G2 gets about 2.5mb/s at my house. That's no where near the claimed 21mb/s that is being advertised, but 2.5mb/s means you can watch a Youtube clip on your phone. With Sprint I have to be on wifi to do that.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
We're not talking about 3g here, only "4g."

It's also important to note that we're not considering network issues [which won't last forever] in this equation.

We are saying Sprint's WiMax versus T-mobile's HSPA+

One is completely unlimited at 12 or so mbit/s

One is limited at either 2 or 5 GB [I've heard both numbers so I'll include both numbers] at what can get as fast as 42 mbit/s

What I'm trying to tell you is, with the lowwwww limit, the only point of those speeds is penile compensation.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Yeah...I understand what you're staying...but in Idaho Clear's 4G is usually like 1 - 3 mbps down; 1 up. Highest I've ever seen was 5, and that was when I was standing in front of the tower. 3G can do those kinds of speeds. :|

Even though Sprint says they don't 'throttle' speeds, I do believe Clear does. I've been connected to a friend's Clear hotspot and pulled 8 - 10 down; use my evo as a hotspot with 2 or 3 4G bars at the same location and I get 2mbps. Explain that one, Sprint/Clear.

When I was with Clear for an ISP, before they went wimax, they were the worst ISP I've ever dealt with. Horrible. Throttled every month after like 50gbs of downloads; then you'd have to call and make up some whack story about how you were backing your **** up online every night...the people were always rude on the phone too. Horrible company in 9 outa 10 aspects. Their retail places straight up lie to people, too: Oh yeah, you're in perfect coverage (they even check the box that they tested it at the service location in-person on my contract, which they certainly did not), then reality hit...edge of the 1 bar brick on the coverage map.

A had a little old lady client of me switch to Clear because she got mad at Qwest...so we went down to the local store, they supposedly signed her up and set her home with the goods (modem + voice modem), but her service never got activated...so she called Clear who couldn't find her in the system at all and signed her up for another account and mailed her the goods...well, I went over and set it up for her and couldn't get the voice modem to work...after talking with 3 different idiots (And I know normal tech support...not too hard to deal with, but still don't know that much - these were complete idiots) in their tech dept. (all with different answers, complete lies, of course), one finally 'checked' with a level 2 guy who said that their voice modem 911 activation server had been down for the past 3 days and probably wouldn't be fixed for another 2 or 3...hmm, well that seems just find and dandy. Well, about a week later they actually got it fixed and do you think they'd give her a credit for not being able to use the phone server she was paying for for a week and a half? Not a chance.

In short, I don't think very much of their company's business model or practices. You always get different answers and have to deal with complete idiots...oh wait...same goes for Sprint most of the time, too. :|
[EVO 4G General] LexLuger82:
HA HA HAAAAAA
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
This thread is mostly about 3G but we can throw in 4g too.

Right now Sprint's 3G has been a problem for many people, and I could have sworn that even you had problems cracking 300 kbps where you live. Eitherway, even if Sprint fixed the issues where you and I lived, we'd be back to about 1.5 Mbps which is great but still not as great as the 3-7 Mbps people

get on TMO HSPA+. And you'll most definitely see a real world difference in that.

If we throw 4G into the mix, Sprints 12 Mbps WiMax gets about the same speed as TMos 21 Mbps HSPA+ in real world speeds. The difference being that hand offs on TMO are much better, HSPA+ most definitely has better battery life, and TMo has more HSPA+ coverage than Sprint WiMax. Right now WiMax is not a practical replacement to EVDO/3g, HSPA+ can and is .

When TMo flips the switch on 42 Mbps HSPA+, there's no doubt that it'll have much higher average speeds than WiMax and will be just as practical as EVDO/3g.

You keep talking about caps but as I said, 5GB is a heck of a lot more than what the average user uses (which again was 300 MB in 2010 and isnt projected to crack 1.5 GB until 2015) and even if you go over you still get throttled data. If you use more than 5GB, then fine, don't get TMO. You fall under the extreme minority. Otherwise I see absolutely no reason why not to recommend TMo to anyone who lives under good TMo coverage (and this is a question you have to ask under any carrier). Better data, true unlimited calling, unlimited texting all for $70//month off contract.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
It's actually going to be 2GB now. That "Truely Unlimited" plan.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Their off contract $70 plan is 5GB. Unless that changed since when I checked Friday.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Does it matter? Whether or not they're bought by AT&T, they're turning into them. There's no point denying it.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Does it matter that I can barely get 250kbps, therefor, never going to actually be able to use more then 2GBs a month in the first place? No. Sprint is playing this whole we have 'truly unlimited'...but our network sucks soo badly that you won't be able to use more than 5GBs a month if you watched netflix 24/7. :|
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You're seeing it through the eyes of someone suffering these issues.

Most areas don't have these issues.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
In my neighborhood, there are places where I can hit around 2 Mbps or at least 1 Mbps. Those are mostly residential areas. When I'm around stores and stuff, which is where my house is near, I can hit 700 Mbps tops, but mostly around 300 Mbps.

This is after I removed the proxy URL and port from my data profile and flashed the data throttle removal mod for Myn's RLS5 ROM.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
300 mbps??? Faster then my home internet.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I'm gonna strongly recommend that you guys call Sprint and request a refund on your data costs if they are this slow.

What I would do is take several speed test results with full 3g and take screen shots of them.

I would suggest doing it on more than just one phone on your account.

Then, call Sprint and explain the issue and explain you have screenshots if they want proof.

This will:

A) Let them know that you're having issues [they already know but more the better to getting it resolved faster]

B) Get you a refund on money you're spending

C) Hit them where it hurts. Their pocketbooks. Doing so will hopefully encourage faster repair times. [and trust me, if enough people get refunded, that will change fast]
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
How exactly do we get credited for data though? I mean it's an unlimited data plan, so how do we or they decide how much [per line]?

EDIT: Well, this is ironic: http://community.sprint.com/baw/index.jspa
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Not surprising...nothing with Sprint works anymore.

I'd rather his their pocket books where it hurts...with ROAMING FULL TIME!

I've called them and they don't get it. They just say oh, we just updated all of the towers in your after last month, to which I reply, TO WHAT? DIAL UP?!?

Then they troubleshoot **** with me, and I keep telling them that it's their ****ty ass towers that are outdated and that they have too much upload and no download, and they don't believe me, so then I give up.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
They take your plan cost including add on line cost [but not including add ons like insurance] and divide it by 30 days.

For me it was $150 / 30 = $5/day for 7 days [thus far]

Also, they have been performing updates to their site.

Such as, a new sales area "coming soon."

Verizon, At&t and T-mobile have had site issues lately too.

With all due respect, if you give them half the attitude you are presenting here, I don't know that I would help you further either.

Be respectful, but firm.

Ask to speak to either an advance technical service representative or an account specialist because "you're thinking of switching due to these issues."

It's important to note that, like any other company/carrier/etc, Sprint has bad employees too.

Also to be honest, the only people you're really hurting by using the Verizon PRLs are the Sprint customers.

If Verizon finds that more and more abuse of this nature is occurring you can bet your sweet ass they will cancel their agreement with Sprint on roaming.

[Although if Verizon lost the Sprint agreement they would have to shrink that map they always push on their sales too]
[EVO 4G General] Smac7:
My data averages about 60kbps. I'm very angry

Sent from the xda app on my htc evo
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
So does mine with this current network issue they're having.

Read a few posts up and get a refund man.
[EVO 4G General] david914:
i was told by a sprint rep. that a refund would only be issued after a repair is comlete?!?! why do i smell BS. what exactly did u say to get yours?
[EVO 4G General] david279:
@mattykinsx When you say site issues do you mean cell tower sites?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
That's what they are doing for me too.

They notated the account and told me to call back when the issue is resolved.

Why do they do it this way? If the issue lasts longer than you can get more days added to it instead of them having to go in and do the whole process over again.

[And yes, I confirmed they notated the account because when I called in about something else I had them check the notes from that day and they read it word for word]

Also, request that the service representative send you an email so that you can reply to it about their specific customer service.

This is the email I'm talking about:

Getting an email sent like this also confirms they are notating because if you come to find out that they didn't, you can report them and an offences like that will likely get them fired. ;)

I was referring to website issues with that.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
I actually know how to talk on the phone and get my way without using attitude, but as of late, I've really just had it with the no calls, random missed calls, texting not working, day late VMs from calls I never got, dropped called (10%+ last time I called, and it just keeps getting worse) and the data being 100kbps down and 1mbps up at almost every tower within a 20 mile radius - I drive around using antennas + speed test; I actually think I know more about their network than they do. Every week it gets worse and everybody I know (a good 12&8 with evos) with sprint is experiencing the same.

I don't really care, I own my own business and run it; I've learned that if you provide good customer service and the product you advertise, people almost never have a single problem. I might have 1 out of 100 email me with a question or problem, but never have anybody return anything.

Sprint should have figured this **** out awhile back, as far as I'm concerned.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Friend, technology is NOT perfect and issues occur.

You say that your download is 100K and your upload is 1MB?

That shows you that there is an issue.

Anytime upload is more than download ...lol...yeah

Anyway, nothing is perfect when it comes to technology.

T-mobile/Verizon/At&t have issues all the time too.

I'm just trying to assist you guys by getting $$$ refunded.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Yeah, thanks! I'm sure some would rather just get refunded. I'd rather just switch to the unlimited everything for $45/mo straight talk with an iphone 4 and att. I know att sucks someplaces, but in 4 years, I never had a single problem with them here.

Yeah, exactly...there's a problem when almost every tower is 100k down and 1m up! I keep telling them that and they say that they've just updated all of the towers, which they haven't, if anything, it was a down grade. Haha. Once in awhile I'll find a tower that's 1m up and 1k down.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
It's not unlimited.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Yeah, it's not, it's 2GB or 4GB now...anyhow, at least att works.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=479829&t=2536665

I've tried everything to get over 2gbs on sprint and can't seem to do it. I even downloaded 4gbs over 4G one night when my modem decided to die...
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I generally use 1GB to 4GB a month on Sprint. [not right now with the data issues obviously]

I would say that there are a lot of people that don't agree with your "At&t works" comment though.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Yeah, I don't do anything besides email and facebook when I'm out and about...since texting doesn't work but once in a blue moon and googlevoice barely sends texts because of the slow data...

Most wouldn't, but I never had a problem with them here in Boise, ID.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
What part of MI are you in? I was in grand rapids facilitating a startup weekend and had the best sprint service ever! full 2.5mbps down on 3g and 5 - 7 down on 4G...battery lasted all day tethering, too.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
How long has this texting issue been going on?

Because that definitely sounds like a phone specific issue...
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Same, I don't really stream much either. The most I've done was tether for a bit or download a ROM. I've probably hit almost or a little bit over 1GB. I was on AT&T for 4 years before I switched to Sprint in August. They're more expensive, but they're basically the Verizon of GSM in terms of signal. Plus I prefer GSM since I have an assload of phones I can pop my SIM into at any moment. But if I had to switch right now, it'd probably be to T-Mobile for a Nexus S just because they're around the same price as Sprint and they have a better selection of phones.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Just started last week. I don't use sprint's texting very much, but a few people text me on my sprint number; sometimes it replies, and other's that damn message just keep popping up saying that it couldn't be sent and has been plasted in the sending folder...or something like that - I have to restart the phone to get the message to stop!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Then it sounds like it has to do with the semi-nationwide issues they're having.

Call and explain all this man, you'll get a good sized refund, as you should for these type of issues.
[EVO 4G General] david914:
makes sense i guess, i figured they were spoon feeding me more sprint BS... i will confirm the notation on the account when they open. ty sir.
[EVO 4G General] apollooff320:
I left Sprint because of the problems me and my family been having with them as of late. The service just went down the gutter in my city. Everyone who I talked to that has Sprint said they've been missing calls which was a big problem me and my wife have been having and getting text late. When I first got my Evo I use to get 1.80Mbps internet speeds now it went down to .50Mbps or way less. Verizon's net speeds isn't even that much of a bump from sprints but at least I get good service now.
[EVO 4G General] 1mp4c:


What did u use to change the host file? When I try it wont save. I used spare parts to set -rw but the host file still says its -r. I'm using astro for a file manager. Not sure why I'm having trouble, I'm at work now so not enough time to look into it, figured asking would be faster :p
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
You can just do it from AdFree. It lets you specify a custom IP address. Also, didn't help me but thanks.

Luckily I don't do data-intensive things with my phone but that's not an excuse for 50-500 kbps speeds and ridiculous ping in a lot of areas.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
i'm fed up with sprint's data speeds. its absolutely bull**** that we have to deal with this and still pay for a premium data fee!

been putting a lot of thought in doing the prl hack and going crazy on roaming data. i'd finally get 1+ mb/s and if they cut me off, i can go to t-mo (hspa+) or verizon (lte) etf free.
[EVO 4G General] ghodzilla5150:
You know I am getting really sick and tired of having to kiss Sprint's ASS TO GET THEM TO DO THEIR DAMN JOBS!!!!! I should NOT have to call and be extremely nice to get something I AM PAYING FOR. I have had horrible 3g coverage the last month (750K Down, 300K Up). This is ridiculous:mad: I was told by a customer service monkey to just use 4G if it's in my area. I have 4G but only get 2 bars and I usually get Poor to Fair coverage. This also drains my battery rather quickly. I told him this in a nice way and the idiot had no response. All I get is a bunch of BS about how there are some towers down in my area. I tell the guy that this seems to be a national issue. I might as well be talking to my 5 year old. How about this, Sprint use all that darn money ($10 4G Tax) you guys are getting monthly from EVO & EPIC users and upgrade your CRAPPY Towers/Network. Yeah, yeah, yeah Verizon is a little more expensive, BUT I will be on a better network and that alone is worth the higher price. I also have had Visual Voicemail (and regular voicemail) issues as of late too. I also get Texts from people I don't know.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Oh, but remember, according to them its not for 4G. Its for "premium data". Also, lucky you. Welcome to my life: