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[General Questions and Answers] rogier666:
If you don't like the small icons in Android you can replace them by widgets that do the same thing as tiles, with the added bonus that you can resize the widgets to the size you prefer. A small 1x1 widget or a big 3x4 widget that takes up half of your screen, the choice is all yours. You can mix and match sizes any way you like. And if you still don't like the choices available you simply download an alternative launcher to get the interface you want.

The choice is not yours in WP7. What if you don't need a giant tile to tell you how many mails you have because a small button does the job for you and you'd rather use the extra space for something else? What if you want three or four tiles per row instead of two? What if you don't want all that dead space under the arrow?

WP7 only offers big tiles, iOS only serves small icons, and neither of them lets you choose for yourself. iOS is an endless series of screens full of buttons of the same size and the homescreen of WP7 requires too much scrolling to reach the bottom tile.

WP7 and iOS both violate the First Commandment of Software Programming:

Thou shalt never hardcode into thy software what thy paying customer might wish to customise.

Symbian has the same problem and Android's default launcher doesn't cut it either, but you can customise the user interface of Android (and to a lesser extent Symbian) to your own preferences until even its own mother wouldn't recognize it anymore. Apple and Microsoft could learn a lot from that.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
and all that customization comes at the heavy cost of never having a UI that feels polished and a generally laggy user experience. I certainly prefer a quality os to one in which I can change whatever id like because I want something that I know will work regardless. Android is nice but as someone mentioned in another thread it just feels like someones highschool project. I want an os that's as quick as I am.
[General Questions and Answers] hazard99:
Me and you both bud. Let me tell you if i cant mod I dont want it!
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
I felt the same way for about 5 years. I got my first winmo device in 05 I believe and I was in love with the customization. I've realized now that I only loved the customization because it was necessary to make the OS worthwhile. Now that I've got one that's good out of box the idea of customizing just sounds tedious and dull.
[General Questions and Answers] vetvito:
^ I feel the same. That's why I no longer mod or flash roms anymore. However if I wanted to, I could. Just having the option to, means a lot more than not having the option at all.

Perfect example. I don't want to walk around with a Bluetooth piece in my ear all day, especially if I'm not talking to someone. It makes you look silly. So, whenever I'm ready to make a call or get off the phone, I can simply switch Bluetooth on or off. I do this often.

Wifi on and off, I do this often, saves battery. GPS, often, data mode very often. I'm sure I'm not the only one that does this. The toggles are very efficient.
[General Questions and Answers] rogier666:
If the standard size fits you like a glove you'll never need a tailored suit, but most people are not built that way. It sounds like you're one of those people for who Microsoft's choices fits by accident. That doesn't mean that a one-size-fits-all model works for eveybody. That's why pople buy Android, that's why iOS is jailbroken, and if microsoft won't provide alternative user interfaces someone else will provide them. Even if it requires hacking the OS.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Though I hate that it will happen I'm sure it will. I'd hate to see the UI manipulated into something less aesthetically pleasing in favor of the outdated stuff people are used to.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
I never got the appeal of bluetooth headsets, makes you look schizophrenic. I guess if I used the HTC devices the battery life would be a much bigger concern. I absolutely hated the HD7's battery life. The DVP and Focus do quite well on what they have though. I guess it all comes back to the simplicity argument though. I don't want to have to bother with that stuff just to have a decent phone.
[General Questions and Answers] rogier666:
You bet that's gonna happen. Each and every operating system has been pried open and rightly so. Some people want quick access to a lot of relevant info and functions and couldn't care less about how it looks. Having quick access to the 20 or so features that I use often without having to scroll away from the main screen is way more important to me than the hairstyle of the operating system.

Really, what's the point of a web browser tile that's 200 pixels long and wide when the only info I want from it is "tap me to surf." All the relevant info fits in an icon the size of my fingertip. I'd rather use the extra space that I save to make my calendar widget bigger or get a one-click way to toggle bluetooth on and off. The only reason why I might tolerate a giant browser button is when the four corners of the tile launch different sites, and even then it shouldn't fill half the width of my screen.

Some people are capable of processing a lot of condensed information quickly. Apparently the WP7 homescreen is not for them because Microsoft is aiming for the lowest common denominator instead of letting their customers decide for themselves what's good for them.

Why would you hate that? Do you really believe it's any business of yours what other people do with their phones?
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Seems unappreciative of the original design, first original looking OS since the initial publication of WebOS. I honestly cant think of any time I have to scroll away from the homescreen for anything at all so I don't know what you mean there but then again I don't use bluetooth. I like the large tiles because I do want an attractive OS, clutter is annoying, that was one of the main reasons I never liked iphone and only put a maximum of 4 icons per page in android. I like a decent looking OS and currently WP7 is about the only option in that department.
[General Questions and Answers] rogier666:
Everyone is free to dumb down the user interface on their own phone if they believe they would get lost on screens with more than four icons or widgets or tiles or whatever, but why are you so aggressive towards others who want more on their screen? What you call clutter is valuable content for someone else.

Just because you don't use bluetooth and like to scroll a lot doesn't mean that everybody has to be like you.

You sound like someone who hates ice cream stores that sell 69 different flavors because you never order anything but vanilla and strawberry.

"If it's good enough for me it's good enough for everyone" has never worked and never will.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
No I completely understand your perspective. I just feel that if you take away the aesthetics you take away one of the things it beats all other oses in.
[General Questions and Answers] jags_the1:
this forum is 90% android users and developers . SO if u just think logically for like 5 sec and " is android fullfilling all of your needs" In a android forum what answer will u expect to get?

Go ask in iphone forum " is IOS fullfilling all your needs" i am sure u can expect, what kind of answers you are going to get.

A successful Poll/comparison has different criteria, points,logic and statistics to be compared with .

and i am loving the way how people are generalizing for all others based upon there own personal choices. :P its very fun to read all of those.. lol
[General Questions and Answers] androidfeen809:
I had an iphone and my friend had the htc surround windows 7 phone, and android beats them it in everyway!

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[General Questions and Answers] helicopter88:
This is a Windows Mobile forum,and then is an Android and Windows phone 7 forum

If we make a "is wm fullfilling all of your needs?" you will see posts wich will say "i love wm" "i hate that crappy wm,long live to android/wp7" and some other that will say "for sure it's better than a crappy i****" or "my iphone is better than all of your wm phones"
[General Questions and Answers] m4a1rifle:
Why no one mention about Tasker for Android...

Tasker + Android = Instant Win!
[General Questions and Answers] IntelSoftApps:
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[General Questions and Answers] IntelSoftApps:
Android is the best OS out there. 100 X better than iOS.

You can actually use an Android phone unlike the iPhone.

No themes.No color.Same icons : (
[General Questions and Answers] wiv:
Very satisfied, especially by the great hackability. As a developper myself it's also a very pleasant experience :-)

A few gripes however, like the absence of system level HTTP proxy support and the way a few things keep vibrating even though I unchecked all the options in the settings :p
[General Questions and Answers] yeaaa:
I went from iphone to blackberry and now android. I gotta say, I've been missing out the whole time.
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
I drive, it's illegal to use a phone except via hand free, I don't fancy having a crash or a £60 fine and 3 points on my licence, so the option is either a wired in ear unit such as what comes with the phone or bluetooth hands free.

The radio in my car has a built in bluetooth hands free.

So it's a bit of a no-brainer to see I need bluetooth.

I have it set to automatically come on when plugged into the car charger (can your phone do that? no? oh that's a pity).

It also means that I can listen to my music (or watch a film while stationary) if there's nothing good on the radio.

While nearly everywhere I have a HSDPA connection, where I'm woking in London the signal isn't great, so my phone automatically turns wifi on, when I leave the building it turns it off.

If I'm at a friends house and network signal isn't great, then having the ability to turn wifi on or off from the home screen is so helpful. It's one of the features I loved about WM too.

Likewise if I need to turn on bluetooth to swap files with another phone, it's just a single tap to turn it on.

I cannot understand how you can say WP7 looks good, it uses CGA colours, massive tiles that clutter up the homescreen not only making it look dull and boring but also making you have to scroll up and down.

I have just 4 shorcuts on my homescreen, mail, messages, internet and favourite apps. It means I can have an attractive and impressive live wallpaper.
[General Questions and Answers] Regii:
Most definitely I gotta say that Android does it for me. Changing from Symbian S60 and a simple Sony Ericsson phone was like a revelation to me. Everything I need in the palm of my hand, some games (especially love not having to carry my GBA around everywhere - just use Gameboid), great SMS clients (GO SMS ftw!) and constant Facebook availability. Actually wanted a Droid before.. but the Galaxy 3 totally does it for me, especially with Lestatious.
[General Questions and Answers] vbetts:
Because it's such a hassle to turn on bluetooth manually. One of the worst things you can do in life, can you believe just a couple of years ago people turned on bluetooth on their own?

Again, it really isn't that big of a hassle to turn wifi on and off manually.

It's all based on opinion. Personally, I love the look of WP7. I like a basic look, and metro ui does it for me.
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
Well thankfully I can turn bluetooth/wifi on/off directly from the homescreen so it's no big deal, but its handy to have come on automatically, especially the wifi, if I get in and there's an immediate problem to sort out, I sometimes wouldn't get emails from work for an hour or so, now I don't have to think about it, wifi kicks in on it's own and turns off on its own.

I know it's just opinion, but it's like Andy Warhol art, or Damien Hirst or Banksy, it's basic, boring, and took no artistic skill or thought to come up with.
[General Questions and Answers] Caromsoft:
Just my opinion, but I wouldn't throw Warhol in with Hirst or Banksy...that's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Carry on! :)
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
I can't imagine how few people care about that. I mean yeah, I have to plug mine in to speak through my car... and? As for the wifi coming on when you need it and off when you dont I might care about that if the Dell Venue Pro ate near as much battery as a power hungry android device but I easily get a full days use with wifi on at all times. As for the comparison, sure it may not be Dali but it certainly beats a number of random icons obscurely set with no pattern in 4x4 rows or even worse people who use widgets and have that terrible look that lacks uniformity entirely. I'll take aesthetics for 10,000. I can live without a wallpaper, I see my son every time I unlock my phone and really dont spend much time on the home screen.
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
Woah! You have to plug it in? Wow. That's so 1990s. I thought WP7 could at least handle bluetooth hands free.

I'll stick with being able to just get in the car and go without having to worry about having to run wires to the radio.

I'm seriously shocked.

Even the most untech savvy people I know have bluetooth hands free.

Blimey I would have thought the US would at least be as advanced.

I am indeed flabaghasted. :eek:

I've got the bluetooth radio in one car, a bluetooth hands free with FM transmitter which clips to the sunvisor so I can use it in the other two, and bluetooth headphones which are very useful when I've got my hands full on a job and need to be on the phone to get information.

My gf loves that she doesn't have to get any cables out to send ringtones/pictures/movies to her phone.

So hardly anyone you know uses bluetooth? It's amazing how different cultures embrace or fail to embrace different technologies don't you think?
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
The only people I really see here in Austin using bluetooth are 50 something blackberry owners who don't mind looking schizophrenic but then again they still own blackberries so something has to be wrong. I dont have to get a cable out to send stuff to my phone. We have send to WP7 for that. I do find it amazing that different cultures still use bluetooth though. That pretty much died off with the Razr craze here. Now it's just ancient technology. My car radio has a built in MP3 player so I guess I don't have to worry about that but still.. that's crazy that bluetooth still gets use. I never would've guessed it.
[General Questions and Answers] lqaddict:
Speaking of ancient technology is having your phone plugged in to send media across, like videos you shot with your phone.
[General Questions and Answers] FLAC Vest:
Oh yea; I haven't transferred anything tto my phone through USB in a while. Dropbox is a great application.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Eh, we all make trade-offs. You guys get video messaging, I get a lag-free, virus free, reliable user interface that requires me to plug in to my computer to send a video... darn.
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
Mine has a built in MP3 player, I use that for my gf's music :D

Why keep reburning MP3 CDs/USB sticks as well as my phone when I can just do my phone, plus I get to drive safer too. Streaming internet radio in the car is fantastic, I can catch up on any episodes of Bleak Expectations or the Now Show that I've missed, and listen to digital radio stations without needing a waste of money DAB head unit.

You have to get a cable out to listen to talk to someone safely while driving right? That is what you said isn't it?

I'll stick with reliable lag free, intuitive, attractive UI phones (with a home screen that looks tidy rather than having massive CGA tiles, some double width just to make things look messier, and a huge border just to accomodate an arrow in case users forget which way to swipe) that enable safe driving and hands free use when working, what with it being the 21st century and all.
[General Questions and Answers] id.goPLAY:
Exactly :D
[General Questions and Answers] voriand:
Agree :D but seriously: Android is in a big boom of expansion. All the needs will be coverd (by apps) within (i guess) 2-3 years, and this is good so :)
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
I will continue finding it comical that anyone could find android to be lag free or aesthetically pleasing. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion and all but that one's just funny. You said yourself you plug your phone into your charger when getting into your car. I plug in that very same chord and get hands free everything. I guess internet radio is something else that's sort of trivial in America too. I don't know of anyone who's ever listened to that. I may have listened to Love Line with Dr Drew once. Amazing about the different cultures yet again.
[General Questions and Answers] GnatGoSplat:
Every time I use my Droid Incredible, I can't help but think of your complaints about lag and think, "WTF is he talking about?" Yeah, I'm not seeing the lag. I scroll, it follows my finger. I wiggle my finger up and down rapidly, and it keeps up with no problems. I touch an icon, it launches, instantly. I touch back, it goes back instantly. I hold HOME to go to recent apps, and can switch to other apps, instantly. GPU acceleration or not, Modern Combat 2 plays 3D with no lag when moving in any direction and I can pan around with no lag. You keep mentioning lag, but I just don't see it. I may have to pick up a WP7 device just to see what it is you consider absence of lag.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
I agree that the games for the most part are lag free. The games are better coded than the UI itself. I thought android was smooth then I tried WP7 and now going back to android it's just... bad. I even tested the Nexus S and Motorola Atrix at Bestbuy yesterday to see if maybe I'd just gotten a bad device. I factory reset both of them then tested and yeah, still just slow by comparison.
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
You know, every time you try desperately to make out that android is laggy, it makes you look more and more like a WP7 fanboi fool, incase you weren't aware.

It's like someone constantly saying "You know those Boeing 747s? Yeah, they're too big to fly, I saw one try and it couldn't get off the ground"
[General Questions and Answers] sof2champ:
android rules(h).
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Typically I enjoy the analogies and think they add to the debate but at this point the initial subject and the compared object have no sort of relationship. There's no desperation in my argument and I'm certainly not a fanboy. If android comes back with a usable, fast interface that doesn't look like someone vomited icons onto a screen and some decent factory then I'll jump onboard the same as I did when android got beaten by WP7. My money goes to the best phone OS on the market and currently thats WP7 for me.
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
I do always look forward to your posts, especially when I need a laugh after a long day :)
[General Questions and Answers] IntelSoftApps:
I enjoy android. It has a TON of features.

I have missed out on the early days of it because i was on Verizon...Verizon kind of sucks!

I wasn't able to upgrade until i went independent on another carrier. Now i am on my 4th Android. They keep getting better!

Nexus one 4ever
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
I was yours but now you're not putting forth any debate topics anymore :(
[General Questions and Answers] likaicong:
of course, it is best.
[General Questions and Answers] rogier666:
[WP7 fanboy]

Absence of lag: your screen scrolls before your finger does. If they move at the same time there must be something wrong.

If you have to touch a button before it responds it's laggy!

[/WP7 fanboy]
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
This is just sad. I love how one can blindly insult likely without even exploring the OS. Anyone who gives WP7 a day or two will cringe at how laggy android is.
[General Questions and Answers] remuntada:
yeah

android is very cool:D
[General Questions and Answers] appmonk:
Yes.

* Freedom

* Expandability
[General Questions and Answers] bitpatrol:
Android wins for me because it now delivers that what I'm looking for. It feels less closed to me ... But the main point at the moment is, that it integrates a little better with Google Apps now, since I use this a lot, it's a big selling point. Maybe if I was be using Exchange, Sharepoint and Onenote a lot more ... Yeah, Windows Phone 7 might be more interesting. In the end you choose the device which best suits you, all this crap about W7P vs Android vs Apple ... Who cares, are you happy with your phone, great ... If not, choose another option, it's called freedom after all. Calling each other stupid for thinking this or that is better ... Please, that's so childish it's not even funny any more. It always reminds me of that one quote "An opinion is like an asshole, everyone has one" ... Or something similar.
[General Questions and Answers] Spl4tt:
this one was nice XDDDD
[General Questions and Answers] willwgp:
The Droid OS overall has been a great experience for me. Hardware-wise, though, I don't ever use the trackball on my Droid Eris, EVER ... really just need a new phone, upgrade is in May!
[General Questions and Answers] GnatGoSplat:
I use the virtual trackball on my Droids all the time. How do you go back and make a correction to a typo without it? I had been very carefully with my fingertip trying to get the cursor in the right place, until I read the virtual trackball works great for that. It was a, "duh" moment!

Just picked up WP7 phone. When it arrives, I'll use it for a few weeks and see what this "lack of lag" feels like. Maybe it knows what I want to touch, before I even touch it. FWIW, the guy I bought it from hates WP7 and was very motivated to get rid of it. A direct quote, "Windows Phone 7 is boring, IMO. I can't stand it, but I'm also stuck with it. Absolutely nobody wants to do any sort of trading with me for it, due to the Windows aspect of the phone. I'm sure it's great for some people, but to me it feels like a feature phone." I generally like Microsoft products and liked WM, so I'll give it some time before deciding whether I like WP7 or not.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
A lot of people have come to expect the openness of android. It comes at a cost of performance though. I'd rather keep a device factory if the performance is better.
[General Questions and Answers] benson666:
I can't complain so far, everything works.

very flexible and customizable. never had a system where you can adjust everything to your specific needs that easy. I'm very happy with Android :D
[General Questions and Answers] weslyr:
Android is quite cool, but I want more eyecandy and more options. :)

Furtunately there are some apps that cover this (eg launcherpro with screen transition effects).

But I was expecting more basic options (like creation of folders in gallery and moving pictures to folders. Now i have to do this in astro).

I also want better synchronization/merging of google contacts and facebook contacts (now i have to do it either manually or make the names identical, which still wont work)
[General Questions and Answers] Misuka:
of course it does have everything i need
[General Questions and Answers] FerryFast:
I love Android. It does everything I want it do, including tracking my sports workouts.

Great thing !
[General Questions and Answers] realtobaqo:
Sure, as for me having custom ROMs , Great kernel out there to get, It could only get better from here