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[Epic 4G General] ms79723:
I didnt read the majority of the posts, I apologize....just want to put in my two cents and I guarantee it'll still be on topic.

People here have the right to rant. They have the right to be angry. They bought a true high end Android phone and are still on 2.1. That's not right... I have an Evo and an Epic...and the difference between 2.1 and 2.2 is really just the Flash (I'm not including what Samsung through in there based off of the leaked roms. Because some of what they through in there was just polishing up the UI and stuff). And Flash isn't really that big of a deal, its just one of those things that is nice to have. But thats beside the point. It doesnt even matter if the only thing different between 2.2 and 2.1 was a damn ringtone...a high end Android phone should be updated. If you don't update these phones, then why would someone shell out extra money to buy another high end phone that will share the same exact features as a low end phone? True the High end will be faster, but it really needs to have something to separate itself from the low end phone and that something should be the fact that it will always be supported...

And this is the problem with Android and this is what makes me sick about it. Android is great...but dammit...they need to relax on these phones and focus on the ones that are out now. They just keep on taking our money, and its going to get to the point where no phones will be updated, they will just keep releasing phones with the new update. And they know people will straight up go buy the new phone just for that update, just to realize that it aint even good. I started with the Evo before the Epic and if I wouldve went from the Epic to the Evo just for 2.2, I wouldve been pissed the hell off. 2.2 is not worth it at all...well, lemme put it like this: 2.2 by itself is not worth it. Although it aint worth it, this high end phone should still have it. If the Evo has it...the Epic should have it. The Evo will probably get Gingerbread and that'll be a damn shame...it won't benefit from it at all...

I mean, when you look at this 2.2 update from different angles, you can see why people rant and get mad. They have the right to...now if we could just put all of it into one thread that would be a lot better than multiple threads...but its w/e.

Also, does anyone else think that nothing else will top Android but Android will "destroy" itself? Android has already destroyed itself with me, if the iPhone hits Sprint, I'm jumping ship.
[Epic 4G General] punwik:
AMEN to that...

People like her make me sick. Just because she has money to go and buy every new phone samsh!t comes out with dont mean the rest of us do. And your title is right LYNN but in this case we did not get what we paid for or what we were promised. Comparing a phone with a computer is totally 2 different things and at least i have the option to go out and purchase a new OS for my computer. This phone should not have been released in the first place if it was so buggy and lagged out from stock (eclair). When i purchase a phone it should act decent out of the box and I SHOULD NOT have to spend weeks on XDA to get it to perform the way i want it to.
[Epic 4G General] t.lynn.c:
Your just the person I wanted to reply to this... Thanks to your lovely post "sammy is such a rip off" I decided to write this post, because posts like yours about how bad Samsung is and how your stuck with a crappy phone and blah blah blah are getting old. We all know the situation and have to live with it. Now I will go on to about how my user name is t.lynn.c not just lynn I don't take your user name and start assuming you are a he, she, troll from w.o.w or what have you so I would appreciate you don't start guessing with mine. Second if you would have read the first post about how I just got this phone a month ago you would realize I don't run out and buy every new phone Samsung has considering this phone is not the newest release and I actually dropped a Verizon BB line to come to this Sprint Epic. And the analogy with the computer does make some sense because what I was getting at was Microsoft does not hand out free copies of windows just because you own a current edition, you have to go buy it! And lastly one of the best parts of what you said that just makes you look stupid is "This phone should not have been released in the first place if it was so buggy and lagged out from stock (eclair). When i purchase a phone it should act decent out of the box and I SHOULD NOT have to spend weeks on XDA to get it to perform the way i want it to." If this phone was not how you liked it when you bought it and it was buggy and it lagged and you don't want to spend time getting it to perform the way you like then you should have used the 30 day return period and got something else.

But as mentioned in my original post the whole point of why this was wrote is because I personally like to use XDA for useful information about my phone or whats going on with new mods and etc... Posts over and over about Samsung and not having Froyo and how you hate your phone cause a new better one is coming out and yours isn't fixed is just redundant, find a post that someone already started complaining in and complain there.
[Epic 4G General] Sesquipedalian:
I'm a whole lot more pissed off that I bought the phone because of the keyboard, and the damn thing skips letters.

I took it to have it exchanged once. The phone I got had two additional issues the first one didn't have: GPS locking problems and lack of sensitivity of the front soft buttons. I shudder to think how bad my 3rd Epic might be.

I had to argue with the tech to even get a swap, he said he didn't see any problems. So I'm not even sure that I'm not just crazy, except that a lot of people have seen the same problem.

This relates to Froyo in that, if it's a keyboard driver problem, then it MIGHT get fixed in Sprint's official update. But I am so sick of waiting for it.
[Epic 4G General] boominz28:
I love my phone, I bought it for what it does , I could care less about froyo.

OP your incorrect though when it comes to windows updates and new OS. windows starts working on updates as soon as its released to make sure that security holes and other things are working , now you may think that android 2.2.1 is a brand new os , but in my eyes its just an update until we get the actual 3.0

BTW they shoudl just clone Bruce Lee it will solve all problems :D
[Epic 4G General] punwik:
Obviously LYNN does not know what IT is talking about seeing as how IT has had this phone for a month...

Im done and i have better things to do than argue with you about something i seem to know more about...;)
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
I to paid full retail plus tax. total was $657 with a bluetooth I think.

Did I get what I paid for? No, because even windows release security patches, which lets be honest, we rooted the phone therefore there is a security loop hole. :p Which even Microsoft would have patched 6 months later.

But another analogy, we don't wait for BestBuy and Dell to update the OS, Microsoft does it in most peoples case.

As for some of us Linux users, 'sudo apt-get upgrade'.:rolleyes: If only Android had this ability.
[Epic 4G General] aleph23:
Just want to jump on the 'I bought this phone on release day only because of the promise of a very near (specifically september or october) upgrade to 2.2' bandwagon.

And I've also noticed all the stir the vibrant users created actually got them real results. So sit on your hands if you want to but if our publicly expressed anger can actually get us an upgrade (as it did for t-mo customers) then why the hell not?

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] t.lynn.c:
I love that all of you act like I'm arguing with you guys about getting Froyo when the specific point of my post was that its annoying getting on here and seeing thread after thread of the same thing when you guys could combine it into one or go to a sprint or samsung forum and complain. I did go a little overboard with my original post to get ppl to actually read it and because I was irritated at the time.

Sent from my Epic with Seven Sisters
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
yay for another Froyo rant thread. I don't give a sh*t about their rants just like I don't give a sh*t about your's. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way so let's just let this worthless thread die already.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
I bought the Epic because I've been a Sprint customer for years, the screen and the keyboard. Otherwise I would have got an EVO. I'm more upset about the GPS problems and other bugs that need to be fixed with an update than Froyo itself. Also the stripped down version of TW that we got compared to other varients. Overall, I'd still be pretty satisfied with the phone if it ever gets Froyo or not. But I will say if they don't, it's the last Samsung android phone I'll ever buy when their competitors actually DO update their phones. I was also a release day buyer and bought it under the assumption it would get Froyo "in the near future" as well.
[Epic 4G General] running_the_dream:
...Chuuurch...
[Epic 4G General] riceknight:
This is an epically bad argument. This phone is more akin to those who purchased laptops with Windows Vista with the promise of a Win7 upgrade disc/download as soon as it came out and your entire brand's line is the only one that delays the upgrade indefinitely while everyone else already is happily running their newest OS. This is very common right before OS transitions on computers.

I'm glad you don't work for any major marketing company. Guess what Samung's main competitors on the market are doing? Giving faster support for their older products to insure brand loyalty. Which company would you buy a phone from next? The one who is known for updating or the one who doesn't give a crap about the customer after they buy from them? Pretty simple.

2.2 actually has much more under the hood such as actually being able to use all that Ram you have on your phone, bluetooth voice dialing, apps to Sd, and flash browsing. This isn't even the major issue. The Galaxy line is still plagued by bugs in the kernal as any experienced Dev can tell you, as well as things like inconsistent GPS.

Is Samsung going to lose money in the future over their most popular phone lineup having such bad support? The answer is a resounding YES. Brand loyalty is a hard thing to come by. Now I'm not saying their next phones will do badly, but losing thousands of people to your competitor is definitely costing Samsung more money than just hiring a couple good Devs to upgrade their phones.
[Epic 4G General] nubsors:
If people were silent, Samsung would never know that people are actually angry at them for falsely advertising their product. When I purchased my Epic 4G, I was told that it actually had 2.2 on. Now because I was part of the android community, I knew this sales person was an idiot and that only 2.1 was on the phone. But all of the advertisements claimed that 2.2 would be released for the phone shortly after the release of the phone itself. This promise is what prompted me to actually get the phone and not get the EVO instead. Half a year later the phone is still without the promised software upgrade. Did I get what I paid for, or did I get manipulated and lied to? Yes to both. The reality is that if a company promises the customer something, they should be prepared for a PR **** storm if they don't deliver. Samsung has not only failed to deliver but they've actually made me angry enough that not only will I never buy a Samsung phone again but I'm not going to buy a Samsung product again... No TV, no refrigerator, no tablet, etc. By extension, I will probably be ending my contract with Sprint soon under the grounds that I was lied to about the phone I was sold.
[Epic 4G General] aleph23:
That's confusing, perhaps because in doing so you created another of the threads you are wanting to see less of.

Please accept that we are genuinely, and I would argue rightfully upset about having been lied to and that any suggestion that we should shut up and deal with it is just salt in the wound.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
im just mad that i bought a media dock thats incapable of having audio out to hear my media until there is an official 2.2 update.

right now its just a charger...
[Epic 4G General] jeffyv2:
Couldnt of said any better myself

sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
To the OP,

I can 100% see your point. But when a company promises you an update, then doesn't fish it out, it isn't a very good publicity stunt.
[Epic 4G General] flash_c4:
In the past month I've spent over $2K on consumer electronics and I can guarantee you that while I was making my buying decisions I made a conscious decision that none of it was going to be a Samsung product and I didn't even pay for my Epic because it's a company phone.
[Epic 4G General] murso74:
damn... u people are eating Lynns lunch. glad i didn't even bother to reply =)
[Epic 4G General] lrn2swim:
you people are seriously crazy. how can you let yourselves get so worked up about a freaking phone? and lets have some perspective for christ sake's. if this phone would have been released only 2 or 3 years ago, it would have been unimaginably awesome and unquestionably the greatest phone, maybe even electronic gadget ever created and everyone acts like it's outdated and useless unless its updated. is everyone here 11 years old? try enjoying what you have for once or you'll keep ending up disappointed because something new and shiny and better will always be right around the corner. also, i honestly can't believe that any of you who actually visit this website wouldn't already have rooted their phones and installed froyo. seems like a no brainer to me. i'm running the midnight 3.1 rom and wouldn't care if the epic was ever updated again. it runs so smooth and fast it's ridiculous.

btw, i'll continue enjoying the awesome 46 inch screen on my samsung lcd tv, whether or not my phone is updated. :D
[Epic 4G General] kezzerxir:
I upgraded from a HTC Touch Pro 2 to the EPIC on the day it came out. I'm just happy that I can send a sms message without lag and my phone doesn't lock up up every 4 hrs.. However, the image of the Samsung CEO stating that 2.2 would be on the Galaxy S Line in September is burned in to my memory.
[Epic 4G General] AndrewZorn:
You are on a forum which deals specifically with phone software. Maybe go find an NFL, beer, or porn forum if you want to make fun of the 11 year old nerds on here.
[Epic 4G General] gophergun:
What we paid for? Is this not the most expensive phone on the market?
[Epic 4G General] crayak:
I didn't read the whole thing but one of your first sentences is. Why do we expect Samsung/Sprint to release an update? One of the selling points for this phone was an expessed promise to be upgraded to froyo. **** I already want gingerbread, but I don't really expect Samsung to release an Gingerbread update. That being said my next phone will be from what ever MFG releases update the most consistent, and often.
[Epic 4G General] BrianDigital:
People have a rightto complain, these are not a razor this are tiny computers that we pay alot for with a twoyear agrement. The updates should come not forever but should get updated in a timely manner
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
If our phones could be updated like PC's then I would be more than happy to pay for next os version.

This **** been buggin me for a good minute:If pc's get updated so quick(bios,video cards,etc) why does it take phone manufacturers so long to update these damn phones?Are these phones more complex than laptops and pc's?

Even hacked OSX86 gets new drivers for unsupported hardware within weeks.

Next question I wanted to ask:How come there is no WebOS,iOS,WP7 port to popular devices like Nexus,GalaxyS,Droids?

Yeah I know its illegal so what?OSX86/AMD ports are illegal too,yet there are hundreds of ports on bittorent cites.Why this is not happening on our phones?I would love to have WebOS or iOS on Epic's Amoled.
[Epic 4G General] dohturdima:
Well, I have Android ported to my 1st gen iphone and while fun the port is next to useless. Ho hum.

Just to add a little perspective to thks thread. I bought my Epic at the end of the year brand new paying less than retail for it but still a good amount of $. Previous phone was a Sprint BB tour, which only got a stable OS release after a year (!) post release, and its users were shafted by RIM not releasing Os6 for it. Being on SERO I did not care much since the plan cost was so low. So when Sprint allowed Epics on SERO in October, I wanted to jump ship but decided to wait until Froyo release. Finally when I thought the update will drop, I bought an Epic and... obviously, none came. Would I get an Epic still over Evo knowing this would happen? In a heartbeat. Having a keyboard and a better screen, ability to force roam and wifi tether, much better browsing experience than BB + being able to push Gmail, much better app selection and livable battery life at $50+taxes a month can't be beat. Froyo would be nice but it's the icing on the cake - the cake itself is nice enough.
[Epic 4G General] Oxrod:
I see the post with people whining about not having the upgrade the same as the "rants." Both your post and theirs is a complete waste of time. Like watching a child trying to mimic their parents scoulding. How about we ban the rants along with the whiners.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
OK, so why is everyone looking at Samsung to blame for this? Did they not pass their perversion of 2.2 on to the carriers months ago, hence us being the last one to get an upgrade? I just dont get all this anti-samsung ****, when it would appear its Sprint, possibly trying desperately to tack on their Sprint ID crap... yeah, I want bloat with ID in the name of it. Anyone seen proof that Sprint has not recieved what they are to bastardize yet??? I just think its misplaced anger. I drive by my sprint store, and see the windows full of EVO ads, EVO. That piece of **** is old news, I could see the Shift, but I think I saw the Epic for a week, then it was gone. Havent seen **** for EPIC advertising, seen a lot for GS or OTHER carriers models... seen other carriers ads for galaxy Tabs... am I wrong here? I dont know if its because, like in my area, Sprint has the best coverage, and you are just not considering biting the hand that feeds you. I honestly think Sprint has a MS-style $deal$ with HTC to push their ****ty hardware. Seriously, does anyone in the know, think this makes sense? Wait, they probably dont read these threads... well anyways, I honestly think this is misplaced anger... look at everything Sprint is doing, ****tier CS, uninformed/lying sales reps... doing everything they can not to fix broken epics (I too fought for a week, over a purple line of bad pixels across the bottom of my super amoled screen, which I was told was 'cosmetic'). **** Sprint... they are the ones going to ****.

OP- Just flag all new Froyo whine threads, and dont create another one. Just double checked, there is no sticky for Froyo complaints (dont get me wrong, Im annoyed too), or one for Froyo rumors (dont thin there have been any in a couple weeks though) We could stand a sticky. Maybe all those sick of these threads could PM the mod (who mods two other forums, which he Devs for too...) and get it a couple stickys!

also, what if they had released the Epic now, is there a NON SGS phone that really comes close when you look at the hardware? No, so really we got the hardware, Sammy was a month or two behind (wasnt the first leak in OCT? We were all told somewhere around sept 1 for froyo originally...?) releasing to the carriers, and SPRINT has held us up since...??? Im happy playing with my best hardware on the market, and when I saw there would be good XDA support, and that it would probably play out like the Moment, I figured better hardware+XDA was better than any alternative out there. Still think it is taking too long, but I really think the phone companies are to blame for all this bull****, with their schedules for releasing new phones, preference towards their favorite manufacturer... Until the manufacturers can put the carriers in line, not the other way around, this will always be an issue with one device or another.
[Epic 4G General] DTgreat:
I never could understand complaining about someone complaining. lulz
[Epic 4G General] HeXeD:
You forgot all of the "thousands" of people who will be moving to Samsung from Motorola (Who is despised right now due to the same update issues on older phones) and RIM...just to name 2 companies. I can honestly say, loosing thousands of people isn't a drop in the bucket to the 10+ MILLION that Samsung sold of their Galaxy S line alone not to mention their other phones and mobile products. The real fact though is the only people who would possibly boycott Samsung due to their firmware upgrade snafu are nerds like us here on XDA who actually "care" about this type of stuff. And it's obvious that only a small amount of people from this forum would actually follow through with that threat. The majority of us (basing this on thread after thread) are going to buy the best phone for the best price. Whatever phone is out that is on our carrier that we can take advantage of our 1 year upgrade, and whatever phone is the best performer, will be purchased. So based on the amount of people on the forum I could say they might loose ~2000 people nationwide because of this froyo issue. Just say Samsung actually made 400$ on each phone. (They most likely don't). That's about 800K. I honestly think they pay more than that for toilet paper in the US.. so literally, they are wiping their asses with the money they just lost.

Samsung is a huge player and will most definitely pick up that 2000, and most likely more from other manufacturers just because of the popularity of this line of phones.
[Epic 4G General] dohturdima:
I have a better idea - how about banning people who are asking to people ban people for speaking their mind? If reading a forum thread has gets your panties in a bunch to this degree, maybe it's time to take a break from the internets for a six-pack/puff on the magic dragon or whateverelse that may chill you out.
[Epic 4G General] Oxrod:
By the simple fact that I have 56 posts in two years compared to your 8 in one month should show you that I hardly need a "break from the internets" how about you start a thread where you complain about the people who aren't crying about something if you want to highlight your issues.
[Epic 4G General] dohturdima:
In your case, it seems quantity equals quality... did you even understand yourself what you just wrote above? :)
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
That is true,still they could have opened up their own app store(for the masses) on current Galaxy S lineup and keep up with their Twiz android updates to make people feel like they are part of something like the iphone does,and maybe Galaxy S could have been the real iphone contender.

When I owned iphone 3gs it just felt "alive" for some reason,i dont get the same feel from Galaxy S even though its technilogicly superior.
[Epic 4G General] Oxrod:
Really, if you plan to shed more eye water I'd be happy to go to the store and pick you up some weekness tissues.
[Epic 4G General] aleph23:
I suppose it wouldn't hurt to get a dictionary while you're there...
[Epic 4G General] Kitteh298:
ooh! another ***** fest. FUN! :rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] dcowboys2184:
Glad I didn't pay for my epic

Sent from my left nipple