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[EVO 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
My opinion, cause that's all it is, is from your first post you were refering to the ext 4 as a probable cheat for benchmarks which it is not. It's a valid fs and the benchmarks are vallid as well. This whole thread is about benchmarks, and the whole argument is whether or not installing EXT4 is a cheat, misinforming anyone who reads this.

By comparison, I'm running the leaked Froyo DK28 no ext4 and to contribute to the OP's request in the first place, 940 Quad. This is much slower than it should be I'm in the middle of flashing over and over tuning a theme. Regular scores on DK28 running fresh is about 1160. This is a leaked version of Froyo that is not optimized at all and we get faster scores running stock DI18 (2.1) on RFS.
[EVO 4G General] brandonkahn:
+1

No ota 2.2 for galaxy s line yet smh... very mad at sammy for this, prolly selling mine soon to grab a nexus s
[EVO 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
Why on earth do you say the Epic will see no 2.2? Most Epic users are already running it. Your not the only one who can watch your full length porn videos in dolphin browser HD my friend! :D
[EVO 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
Would you like me to take a video of me watching flash porn using my stock browser

Haterz gonna hate. Just keep hatin. I brush them haterz off. It ain't my fault my epic's e-penis is bigger then the evo's e-penis.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
What is with all the hate between Android users? We are all on the same team. Chill out.
[EVO 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
Where do you come in? I'm asking valid questions like how is ext4 cheating, and how is there never going to be froyo on an Epic when its been leaked. If they never decide to push froyo further for the Epic, we still have it, we are still running it, and it works, all the way around. If it wasn't for the genius posts in this thread, I wouldn't have to retort!

Then you pop in calling me an idiot with all this Kumbaya can't we just all get along bs. Read my post again, valid questions to people speaking general about completely false statements.

My two points incase repeatedly stressing this is being missed because I use an Epic. The Ext 4 mod (while I don't even use it) is a valid filesystem and whatever score you get with it, is a valid test as long as you open Quad and hit run rull benchmark, there are ways to hack Quad to fake scores. And the Epic runs Froyo, that's it. I'm not trying to say anything else. Both phones are superior to most, personally, I don't like the block shape of the Evo, the battery life, the screen, the GPU, etc, etc, plenty to name. Regardless if you are happier with your Evo, there's no shame in it.
[EVO 4G General] chino331:
Sprint Lovers ROM 1.10.2010

Netarchy's 4.3.2 havs no sbc more aggressive kernal

OC'ed to 1.19
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
As for your question about Ext4

http://briefmobile.com/cyanogen-demonstrates-quadrants-flaws

Evo can do the same thing..
[EVO 4G General] tyler.durden:
This is actually correct information for the most part... Linux filesystems are superior than windows, but ext4 has been out for a few years.(NTFS out for what like 20 years now?) Running Kubuntu on my desktop... not that I'm an expert, but I know having an ext4 file system would make any phone run better regardless if it's Samsung or not. Gingerbread uses ext4...
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
This is what I was getting on my EVO with CM 6.1.2 and SnapTurbo. I'm glad I did not trade my EVO for an Epic.
[EVO 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
This inky proves what I have been saying. The mounting of ect4 partion is what voodo is. The ect4 mod got the epic formats ther hole namchip to ext4 and just not a partion.

Haterz gonna hate. Just keep hatin. I brush them haterz off. It ain't my fault my epic's e-penis is bigger then the evo's e-penis.
[EVO 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
If people took there time and educated with this stuff as me and you did they would understand

Haterz gonna hate. Just keep hatin. I brush them haterz off. It ain't my fault my epic's e-penis is bigger then the evo's e-penis.
[EVO 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
My gods, my head is about to explode. No **** genius, You nailed it:

"A tmpfs, or temporary file storage system, can artificially inflate a device’s I/O score and provide unreal benchmark improvements."

Where in that does it say a "voodoo lag fix" or "Ext4 formated filesystem"? Nowhere. You have to do some **** on your phone to hack Quad. Just opening the app and hitting run full benchmark on your phone won't "hack" quad. Your out of you realm of knowlege of what you are talking about.

Now go download smartbench from the Maket which was designed to get over the exploits present in Quad. Run that one on your phone and see how much further up your phone is over the Epic.

It don't even matter if the Evo scores higher. It matters that its being stated like you can discredit the Epic's score if EXT4 is used. **** size aside.
[EVO 4G General] akiradavis:
it isnt ur fault epic has a better gpu. its ur fault that ur in an evo thread talking about ur epic. this thread sounded really interesting in the beginning but then u came here talking about ur epic and the topic went left.

if u have an evo, just talk to us about ur evo. i came here looking for the best rom/kernal combo reported by quadrant scores. not to hear u gloat about 4'' girly phone.

that being said, what is ur quadrant score on the evo. what rom/kernal/hardware version? thats it...

im running evolv's gingerbread 2.3.2 with savage zen beta bfs more aggresive havs wimax kernal on hardware revision 003. quadrant score: 1345.

p.s. - im not hatin man. im just trying to keep the topic on course. because like it or not, this will help some evo owners. i dont see it helping epic owners as much.
[EVO 4G General] michaelvibe:
Quadrant: 1453

Running Cyanogen Mod 6.1.0 with snap 7.6 CFS HAVS

Not overclocked at all.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Not sure why you're attacking me. I wasn't involved in this at all, I haven't put my stance on anything. I was just providing a link why some people might call ext4 usage would be called cheating when it comes to quadrant scores. The "cheat" being ext4, which the Evo can also use to get scores similiar to the Epics so many people on the Evo forums disregard it because it provides no real performance gain for

Evo users

.

I know the SGS line performs better than the Evo, it's in the hardware. The Hummingbird is about 1000 times more sexy than Snapdragon. No contest. I prefer the Evo simply because it's HTC who provides us with actual updates and I don't have to sit around. Already running Gingerbread, soon with WiMAX, what is there to hate.

Either way, both great phones. I don't give a damn about ext4 and quadrant scores. But I can see where people are calling shenanigans when you start throwing in Epic QS scores in with Evo scores, kind of defeats the purpose, no?
[EVO 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
Well look back how this argumant started. I posted both scores from my epic and evo. My evo is running cynagon 6.2 with there kernel

Haterz gonna hate. Just keep hatin. I brush them haterz off. It ain't my fault my epic's e-penis is bigger then the evo's e-penis.
[EVO 4G General] thirdlane:
They're running the leaked Froyo. Nothing official from Sammy or Sprint. Mean while Evo has had Froyo since August. Evo probably would be running GB ota before Sammy even thinks about releasing 2.2 for the Galaxy S phones. Sure the hardware on Galaxy S phones trumps the Evo but we all know it's about the software and if Samsung neglects its users of the latest or even the second to the latest what's the point. We all know official froyo builds beats leaked froyo builds considering Epic froyo devs don't even have access to the source code. Hate to say it, as impressed as I am with the Epic, Evo is still Sprint's flagship android phone
[EVO 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
My epic stock with 2.1 beat my evo stock with 2.2 hands down. Yes it sucks we don't have source buy look ay the advancements we made with out source. No imagine what the epic wood be doing with source. we don't even have half as much devs as you got and the epic is still pulling strong.

Haterz gonna hate. Just keep hatin. I brush them haterz off. It ain't my fault my epic's e-penis is bigger then the evo's e-penis.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
I don't believe a stock epic would beat a stock evo. If we are speaking on QS of course.

If I remember correctly, the Epic was scoring in the 900s. The Evo was scoring around 1200s on 2.2 stock.

Then again, QS was designed around Snapdragon and QS doesn't really get along with RFS (that's where ext4 comes in).
[EVO 4G General] akiradavis:
i understand my dude. its e-nutz (pun intended). lets all be grown-ups as much as possible though. epic is great in its own ways so is the evo. but this thread is about evo quadrant scores not epic, u dig? :D
[EVO 4G General] thirdlane:
Not hating on the Epic at all. I actually am very impressed with it. Just its hw. Considering Sammy's record with it's previous phones, Galaxy S phones won't see Froyo officially. Case in point with T-Mo Vibrant. They'd rather release a barely updated new phone which is virtually identical to the previous Vibrant than to release the froyo update. Real world situations, Evo running 2.2 outperforms Epic running Eclair. I could care less about completely arbitrary benchmark scores which says nothing about how a phone performs in the real world. So what if the Epic averages 10-20 fps better on Nenamark than my Evo but when I watch a YouTube video or a movie it looks identical to the epic except the better contrast ratio on the Epic? All I know is that I've got a bigger screen, a bigger dev community, and far better after sale support from HTC
[EVO 4G General] adamantypants:
MY PHONE IS BETTER THAN YOURS.

That's what I'm reading in this thread. I didn't get my Evo until Late November, fully knowing that the potential of the Galaxy phones is MUCH better. But the thing that EASILY tipped me over is the fact that it's HTC. With that comes the HUGE developer community (who do you think made this website?), HTC's super clean interface/apps/widgets, and the overall hardware design aesthetic. For others (including my girlfriend) the Galaxy phones are just better for them. They're thinner, have a super snappy processor (provided you installed the lag fix), super lightweight, have an amazing screen, and the pros there continue as well.

I'm not into benchmarking and proving my phone is better, I'm just all about the fun I have with this phone. Too many people get caught up in what they score in quadrant, how long their battery lasts, how super sterile you can make your ROM, etc. But everybody forgets that this phone is supposed to serve you, not the other way around. I have tons of crapware, games, random apps that I download because I want to and because they're fun to have.

That being said, I don't want to derail the topic even further, so here's my bench.

1209. That's about a days' uptime, and I didn't kill any apps, or overclock it, I just clicked quadrant when I started this post.

Running Myn's RLS5 on net's 2.3.2 beta more havs nosbc bfs
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
I don't like the Epic that is why I have an EVO. That is also why i'm in the Supersonic thread on XDA. I do not going hunting around looking in other threads and trash talking other devices. I'm sure I could go to any number of other threads and brag about how my EVO stomps their devise in the ground, but why? I'm not from the hood and don't talk gangster so this maybe hard to understand. Having a faster phone doesn't make me a better person, get me a better job, or make me a better father.
[EVO 4G General] brandonkahn:
I underdtand its a valid file system and what ex4 is... but quadrant gives a false score when using that file system... and it is still known as a lagfix
[EVO 4G General] ktrotter11:
From the screenie it seems that the score is weighted by ur use of sd card caching. Unless i misinterpreted the function of ext4
[EVO 4G General] ktrotter11:
1701

38Mflops

MIUI 1.21.2

OC'd 1.15 GHz performance
[EVO 4G General] jstalford:
I don't have screens of most of my scores. but the highest I've gotten was ~2700 with CM6.1.2 and Snap v7.6 w/ turbo (Overclocked, normal speed was ~2300). I realized it's not a recommended combo, but just wanted to see what it could do. Without turbo I was getting ~1800.

CM6.1.2 w/ Snap 7.6 turbo BFS - 2700

CM6.1.2 Wimax - 1500

MikFroyo 4.5 w/ Ziggy's latest BFS - 1650 overclocked / 1400 normal

Evio 2 1.7 w/ Ziggy's latest BFS - 1400 underclocked to 921

AvaZ3 w/ Netarchy 4.3.1 BFS - ~1350

Azrael 3.1 w/ Netarchy 4.2.1 - ~1500

I think these scores can give an ok representation of what works for your phone, but it's not a complete picture. I mean, CM6.1.2 w/ snap turbo is clearly the fastest combo, but it broke bluetooth and hung on the htc white screen when I flashed any zip.

I'm definitely most impressed with Evio since it's underclocked and still beats a lot of other combos and Mik is definitely the fastest sense ROM I've tried, but I still think I'll end up on CM7 once it comes out with WiMAX and Snap v9.
[EVO 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
Ext4 is my internal memory. It had nothing ti do with my sd card

Haterz gonna hate. Just keep hatin. I brush them haterz off. It ain't my fault my epic's e-penis is bigger then the evo's e-penis.
[EVO 4G General] ktrotter11:
Oooo okay dude nice scores regardless
[EVO 4G General] brandonkahn:
Just got back from the sprint store and all this talk of the epic made me want to see it in hand and demo it myself (galaxy s phone i own besides my evo is a vibrant) the phone has a brilliant screen (like all galaxy line) and seems pretty snappy being on 2.1... with that being said it just felt cheap in my hand... and im not being bias here... the slider feels like it could break at anytime and it jusg doesnt provide a solid build quality.. sure the evo is a brick.. but when its in your hands you know its a premium made phone.. except for the amoled screen i cant say the same.for the epic, i think the galaxy s line should all be the same as the captivate.

Back to the to the topic at hand, i wanted to try some morr sense roms being i basically bought my evo and rooted and rom'd it right away... so i loaded the two point two warm... this rom is great and really put together well.. but it has a even lower quadrant score than the stock rom, this just proves that q score mean nothing... this sense rom is probably the most stable/snappy/functional rom ive used and yet it doesnt get nearly as close to the miui rom.. which is great but its ported and just not as snappy. So in conclusion quadrant means nothing, i believe its just one little test that needs to be accompanied by others (tests) to have any validity whatsoever.
[EVO 4G General] ecooce:
WOW,you must be joking,just because some dumbass decided to call ext4 a lag fix that makes it gospel or true,I wonder what they/he calls ext3 or ext2 or any other ****ing file system,man get real and stop buying into hype from one person.
[EVO 4G General] ecooce:
seriously,just because someone promotes somthing as a lag fix dosnt mean ****... If a phone had a studdering problem in some way then a fix came out that would be a true lag fix. People use that ****ing word like they use the word bricked,****ing igmos.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
Well there is one major difference, lag is subjective where bricking a phone is an absolute. There is always some sort of lag when it comes to memory, even if you aren't able to see it, but there is no in between when it comes to bricking phones. It's either bricked or it's not.
[EVO 4G General] ecooce:
Well thats what I meant,people throw around the word bricked when in fact I have helped several people bring them back from a so called bricked state... I really dont want to trash the EVO,but seriously,the Epic is the best phone out now hands down... My brother owns an Iphone 4,this has higher resolution on a smaller screen,does any1 else see how Fd up that is,better resolution on a bigger screen makes a diffrence,not the other way around... And for the person that talked trash about the amoled screen obviously dosnt know what true black means. This is somthing the TV industry has been trying to get since the TV screen came out... I sorta hate fanboys of any phone... And just because it feels cheap dosnt mean it is. Do you know anything about physics,if a heavier phone hits the ground,what do you think happens compared to a phone that weighs less... And should I even mention Gorilla glass,look it up,this phone slaps the hell out of the EVO left and right... And there is a reason why HTC/Sprint has this phone on 100 commercials a day,because the Epic pretty much sells itself,well to smart people anyway...Im done
[EVO 4G General] ecooce:
Its just funny when I see people talk about lag fx,when in fact EXT4 is not and will never be a lag fix... As for the temp mount of the cache on an sdcard that voodoo does is BS,and they make you believe they actually did somthing to fix your phone. Wen in fact the Epic has a full EXT4 file system,yeah at one point we fooled around with the fake cache on sdcard,but we all knew it was BS,but I guess voodoo still puts out the mis-info to people,thats not saying anything good at all about those devs... I just hope you guys know the diffrence now when you talk about lag fix. Ill say it again,are you going to call every single thing that gives better scores and performance a lag fix,to anybody that does,your stupid period. Get your facts straight if your gonna talk **** to someone that does know what he/she is talking about. Ill post a faked quadrant then a real quadrant score in a few.
[EVO 4G General] ecooce:
Fake,with ext4 cache mount on sdcard.

Real score with an actual ext4 file system...

New benchmark tool,smartbench2010 EXT4,2.2.1,should I say that again,2.2.1
[EVO 4G General] ecooce:
And we dont even have an overclocked kernel or source,just great devs... Anyway Ill let you guys get back to the subject.
[EVO 4G General] patelkedar91:
Wow... people in the Evo/Epic discussion need to learn a bit:

Epic - Hummingbird... super fast GPU.

Evo - 1st gen snapdragon - super crap GPU.

I don't care about CPU speed... cause things are fast enough. But the old generation snadpragon has crappy gpus.

Who cares about benchmarks anyway? My phone is fast enough but the GPU is the only thing it could be better in... and the Epic beats it in that.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
I have cm7 #14 savage zen bfs 0002 and I get 1553 pushing 1190 MHz.
[EVO 4G General] brandonkahn:
Not one person has said the hummingbird doesnt come equiped with a better gpu... but if you honestly think that the hummingbird is night and day different than the snapdragon ur sadly mistaken... in a lot of benchmarks they are neck to neck.. the gpu is the diff... and unless youre gaming/benching who cares.
[EVO 4G General] brandonkahn:
Well take ur fisher smart phone and go **** it... i have a vibrant douche... i know what amoled and gorilla glass is... still doesnt change the fact that ur epic feels like complete ****... and go look at a sales sheet... the evo ****s on the epic... stop ranting and actually read my posts... if u break them down you would see that i respect the galaxy s line, great phones running 2.1 (except the epic feels like a toy) still with no real 2.2 source besides the leaks and ports... id take htc dev all day because they release everything.

If i honestly liked the epic id have one... i have plenty of money to spend.. but id never pay money for that toy phone with a nice screen... it would be like if sony released an oled tv with a ****ty bezel that feels and looks cheap... why would i want that??? I want products that have good build quality.. functionality.. etc.

Have a good day douche..
[EVO 4G General] _MetalHead_:
True black is cool and all but the pentile sub pixel matrix amoled screens use make them look completely like crap and they are not true 800x480 resolution. I'll take a sharper picture over true black any day.
[EVO 4G General] iSaint:
How are you guys scoring so low on cm6/cm7 ? not to be negative but im just wondering because over at the epic forums we r running a froyo leak and getting 16-2100 on our roms im just wondering because i know quadrant is supposed to be higher on snapdragon processors and i know quadrant is not reliable and not reflective of real world preformance.
[EVO 4G General] Maximiano:
1275 Score. Cm7 build 13
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
I'm glad you enjoy your saturated blurry ass screen, but I'll keep my evo. There is nothing the epic can do that the evo can't handle. And HTC is not perfect but they know how to make quality phones and they actually support them once they are released. Samsung couldn't care less about you because they already got your money, that's why we'll probably get gingerbread before you even get an official froyo.

But, if coming here and talking all this bs makes you feel better about yourself and your peen size then have at it. Enjoy your epic sucker
[EVO 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
@haus, you are entirely right man! Holding my Epic next to the Evo I always seen the Epic screen as hands down clearer, and brighter. It wasn't until reading your ignorant rant that I realized my eyes lie to me and that battery burning half dim screen of the Evo is as superior as comparing it to an 80s console tv. Next time ill look at your posts on xda rather than reading data sheets and using in the hand feel. Great job someone hit that thanks button I cant bring myself to do it
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
My evo is running WEBOS and I installed a tegra 2 processor(my dad works for nvidia) with working honeycomb. Top that fools. I also had HTC order me an amoled screen so my phone kicks the epics ass.
[EVO 4G General] _MetalHead_:
If you think the Epic's screen is clearer than the EVO's then you have lost any credibility that you might have had in this argument. Brighter, sure. More vibrant (and way oversaturated)- sure. But clearer? Yeah, right. Two words- PenTile matrix.
[EVO 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
If you would like I'll take side by side images of my evo and epic showing your image of choice both set at 100% brightness

Haterz gonna hate. Just keep hatin. I brush them haterz off. It ain't my fault my epic's e-penis is bigger then the evo's e-penis.
[EVO 4G General] _MetalHead_:
How about small white text?
[EVO 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
Get me the a image file of what you want me to take

Haterz gonna hate. Just keep hatin. I brush them haterz off. It ain't my fault my epic's e-penis is bigger then the evo's e-penis.
[EVO 4G General] _MetalHead_:
There's no reason to take any pictures, it's common knowledge that text looks like crap on amoled screens. There is no denying it, and anybody with ok vision can see it for themselves when doing a side by side.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
"font rendering is horrible. Despite a decent PPI, text isn’t nearly as smooth as an iPhone 4 or even the HTC EVO for that matter. Zooming into text helps a bit, but not by much. Edges of characters are abrupt, choppy, and jagged, offering a unpleasing experience. It’s by no means difficult or necessarily hard to read text, but it could be a lot better. I should also note that when placed besides the Droid 2, colors on web pages on the Epic 4G were “blue-ish."

http://skattertech.com/2010/09/samsung-epic-4g-sprint-review/

It's no different than best buy turning the contrast all the way up on their cheap tvs to sucker people into thinking they look better.
[EVO 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
Scared to see how the evo compares to the epic?

Haterz gonna hate. Just keep hatin. I brush them haterz off. It ain't my fault my epic's e-penis is bigger then the evo's e-penis.
[EVO 4G General] _MetalHead_:
lol not at all. Think of it as me dismissing your claims because I already know the outcome.
[EVO 4G General] iSaint:
the epics display is wayyyy better hands down on anything.