yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Frameworks] BTownTKD:
There is just so much that can be gleaned from this post...

1) Obviously you've never actually tried developing in C#, because it's a complete pleasure to work with. Once you've used Visual Studio, it literally pains you to use anything else, because no other IDE comes close. I've used them all.

2) The entire point of this post is that .NET is not useless; The specification for .NET is completely open. And .NET is apparently good enough that people devoted their free time to develop Mono, thus enabling .NET development for Linux platforms. There's also Silverlight and ASP.NET which enable development of Web applications.

3) M$? Seriously? I remember back when the internet was invented and people thought that was funny. Now it's just kind of ignorant.

4) Refusing to open yourself up to multiple development technologies is a great way to find yourself irrelevant in a short amount of time.

5) Obvious troll is obvious. Sorry for feeding him.
[Frameworks] konistehrad:
As a Unity3D dev, I can assure you that Unity3D is indeed powered by Mono. (With all the C# code I write every day it better be! ;))

That said: the 2.1-based kernels that are rolling out for the Fascinate do indeed suffer from this effect. In fact, Kaoscinate is unable to use Android's built in JIT interpreter due to this very effect. I was trying briefly to help him trace down the problem, but didn't have enough time to contribute. Maybe after our next game ships. :cool:
[Frameworks] bmxdad:
konistehrad , thanks for the reply.

I'm one of those stupid C# / Asp.Net developers, so its nice to know I'm not alone.

To jfelectron ... I wonder what the new windows phone is using .. O yea ... .Net and C# .... Go figure ...
[Frameworks] Xanius:
In addition to Monodroid(which will require you pay a fairly hefty license fee for an independent developer) there is also Koush working on his own free open source port. This can be found here: http://www.koushikdutta.com/search/label/Mono

I'm not sure what all works in either implementation but I don't think either of them is ready for prime time yet.

I'll be in heaven when it is as I currently develop in VB.Net and swapping to eclipse is a nightmare, not having the .net framework is horrible as well because now I have to reinvent the wheel for dozens of objects.
[Frameworks] jfelectron:
Haha, I see the C# harpies have descended to inform us how wonderful their language is. It's not a question of how nice it is or isn't to use, it's a question of why fragment the development landscape with ANOTHER systems programming language that is a pretty blatant copy of Java. I don't think C# is fundamentally better than Java, so it just fragments minds away from common development goals and creates two independent efforts. This hurts everyone. It's fine to take an existing Mono/C# codebase and want to run it on Android. I just don't see why you would want to use something like MonoDroid to develop from scratch. The best apps will ALWAYS use the native APIs, there is just no reasonable way a secondary set of APIs that wrap native APIs will provide the same experience. The Evernote people were just talking about this, they have development teams for each platform, they don't look for write once run everywhere solutions because at the end of the day these deliver subpar experiences. If you don't know Java and Android APIs then learn them. Same for iOS. I'd do the same for WP7...that is if I wanted to work for a I decide the UI for you overlord.
[Frameworks] konistehrad:
I'm pretty sure that everyone participating constructively in this thread has mentioned that they're currently a .NET developer who has code written in VB/C#. It surprises me how much flak this thread is attracting when we're discussing tools and libraries that allow us to effectively and comfortably develop more software for the Android platform.
[Frameworks] iofthestorm:
I develop mostly in Java, but language wise C# is way better. Java 7 still isn't getting lambdas, an when it does it's going to be really kludgy. Java language development has kind of died. Scala is pretty cool though. And Visual Studio is significantly better than eclipse, although IDEA is quite good too. I do like eclipse but it's just not as nice to work with and slower.
[Frameworks] bmxdad:
Yes ... C# is a redo of Java, kinda, but they moved it beyond what the Java was ... ***** about about MS all you want, they do have some good stuff. As for the API's, they're doors for us to use ... it all gets crunched down to 1's and 0's, so who cares how it gets there. Simplistic I know, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying.

They're already porting .net to the iPhone, so I was just wondering if anyone was interested ... didn't know I would touch a few nerves :)
[Frameworks] Xanius:
By your logic why did anyone ever move away from programming in machine code? It was the purest and fastest executing code ever!
[Frameworks] soba49:
Well, I didn't like J++. I felt the same way about C# until I did a test project with SharpDevelop. It really is a pleasure to use, most especially when coming from Java. Both languages also read very similarly and are easy to bounce between. In terms of fragmentation, it tends to come with the territory and might as well be accepted.

Learning something new isn't necessarily evil.
[Frameworks] CNemo7539:
MS does decent development tools. CLR is open and in many aspects better than JVM. C# as language progressing way faster than java and puts it to shame way to often.

Read here from Koush. I guess that name rings a bell?

So, why not? Competition is great!
[Frameworks] SpaceMammoth:
Unity and Mono

As a long time .Net developer I was drawn to Unity with significant suspicion of the Mono framework, I had always assumed that mono was going to be a slower, poor cousin of the official framework, but for my needs it has proved problem free on a range of Android devices. I chose Unity and Mono as a framework for game dev on android because I had a significant amount of code in c# from Windows Mobile 6 dev back in the day, and Unity had the 3d rendering capabilities I needed.
[Frameworks] vesao:
I'm using Unity game engine that uses Mono. C# is a great language that addresses many shortcomings in C++ and Java. However it is not possible to do everything in the mono-runtime on Android. C# to Java bridge is pain in the ass to implement.
[Frameworks] rulk:
Lets be realistic...

First came C and then that evolved to C++. Today the vast majority of operating systems are written in either C or C++. I have NO idea what Object C is (iOS) but I am sure it is evolved from one of these as well.

Java was an attempt to produce a machine generic programming language where the code runs on any machine. This language was based on C (C++?) and as such is very similar to C(c++) in many areas. However to reach this generic level all compiled code is compiled to a machine independent code and run on an interpreter. This code then is slightly slower than if the same program was written in C or C++. But can be run on MANY machines without porting which is not the case with C or C++.

C# was intended to be an extension of C++. After MS's failed attempt at J they put their energy behind C#. C# has now become a very viable C++ replacement on MS machines to a point it doesn't make much sense to write in anything else unless you are writing system level code for which C++ or C makes sense. Somewhere along the failure with MS's attempt at a Java clone they decided to make .NET a "standard" library which allowed Mono to become reality. C# has evolved over time to incorporate many of the great ideas that Java has included but have come up with many new ideas of their own. Realistically it comes down to which do you feel more comfortable programming in. Java or C#. C# with it's .Net libraries can be much easier to write for than Java simply because of the Libraries available.

On another note, I saw a product recently that looks very promising. dot42 is a product that appears to be looking to make a compiled C# program for Android. This by passes the need for the code interpreter and could potentially be as fast as C++ or C code for running on Android.
[Nook Color General] eyecrispy:
I know someone who bought an NC a few days ago. It updated to 1.1 OTA last night. Is there any way to revert back to 1.0.0 or 1.0.1?
[Nook Color General] nootered:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=931720
[Nook Color General] Desperus:
The 8-boot cycle will bring you back to 1.0.0
[Focus General] jklier:
Some genius at my office spilled coffee on my focus . Only a small drop under the battery case at the speaker. However the power and volume buttons feel sticky but do work. I may open it up past the battery but was wondering what would be a safe cleaner to use on a cotton swab? Something that won't harm the plastic.

and no, the person that spilled has no money to replace.
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
rubbing alcohol... very safe and evaporates quickly.... i use it frequently at my shop...
[Focus General] Sebo1985:
Doesn't help you, but next time: Shut down the device, take distilled water and rinse it, or how it is called in English. Leave it a few days in a warm dry place, maybe even in an exsiccator.
[Focus General] jklier:
Thanks for the advice. I had some 99% rubbing alcohol that I use for cleaning telescope mirrors so i brushed around the buttons with that. All but the volume down button are moving freely now. I'll work on that one a bit more tonight.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcskibadee1:
So I searched but couldnt find the answer. I am looking for the app that lets you control your phone from the computer. Its not screencast or remote desktop. It was an app that would give you an IP address to go to from your computer and up would pop the home screen of your phone. I charge my phone in another room and run wifi tether and would love to see whos texting me and be able to reply among other things without having to get up every two minutes. I had it before and flashed a rom and thought that titanium backup had run but it didnt so I lost it. Thanks for any help.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _MetalHead_:
Well I would recommend Remote Desktop (I know you mentioned it), it is an awesome app that I use all the time, it lets you send sms messages. I think the one you are thinking of is called PicMe. It's ok, pretty sluggish IMO. I really think Remote Desktop is the best app for this type of thing.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcskibadee1:
I like remote desktop but you cant tell when you get a new text or whos it from.

edit.I do remember the one I had being a little sluggish so that might be it, haha.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Phateless:
Good thread. There's an app called Browsix that has a built-in sms client. Check it out.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JSZESZE:
Try webkey

Regards,

Jason
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mhuggins:
webkey looks awesome just worried about the lag
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] algirnavi451:
webkey is exactly what you're looking for. When i used it I didnt see any lag. Kind of wish they had an option to alert you on ur computer screen when you got a text but maybe I just didnt select the right settings
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Phateless:
Just tried webkey and HOLY ****... how secure is this program? I have my doubts...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] QuiQNeZZ:
Picme, it's kinda slow though but does work. Paid version is secured.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcskibadee1:
What makes it unsecured? What can happen using it unsecured?

edit: cant find the paid version.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] algirnavi451:
Its as secure as your password. Set your custom login and password and you should be fine.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aimbdd:
ehh i like browsix for texts. But webkey is better besides that.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
Try This...

I believe the app you may be looking for is called "droid VNC Server"....

I have it and have tested it to work with the Evo.
[Nook Color Android Development] Homer_S_xda:
Since neither of the two methods that have been tossed about seem to be working: renaming OTAcerts (although, the recommended rename still included OTAcerts.zip which could be a reason it didn't work) or spoofing the build.prop. I put on my thinking hat back to TiVo hacking. For those that don't know or remember, TiVo is an embedded Linux system.

I recalled one means and went and looked it up. The following is a command that set the bootpage and told it to skip software updates: bootpage -P root=/dev/hda4 dsscon=true console=2,115200 upgradesoftware=false. This was set on the hard drive that the TiVo booted from.

My question is this, is this relevant to Android (also an embedded Linux)? If so, could it be adapted?

Homer
[Nook Color Android Development] bonzer2u:
I was wondering what you folks thought of this 'prevent' 1.1 hack??

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=930477

seems reasonable to me, adding:

127.0.0.1 csqaint.barnesandnoble.com

(looks to be the primary check for updates?)

and

127.0.0.1 bncs.barnesandnoble.com

(just for good measure but might have unwanted consequences?)

to /etc/hosts file

I would personally like to be able to put an end to this 'forced' OTA update behind us and be able to sideload any updates from bn manually at our convienence in the future.

how bout u??????
[Nook Color Android Development] ixampl:
What I did when the first scare of an update arose was:

a) Checked in /data/data/com.bn.nook.devicemanager/databases/ for an sql file

b) Pulled the sql file.

c) Dump its contents with sqlite3.

d) In it there's an entry for OTAs... with value "auto"

e) Changed that value to "manual"

f) Pushed the modified database file to the device.

I never got any OTA updates. Still on first OS version.

(Maybe there's a different reason why it never updated...)
[Nook Color Android Development] bonzer2u:
Sounds like you may have found the holy grail..... nice
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] TripNRaVeR:
Any one posting from now on causing flaming, or a Off topic post, or a thank you post, get ready for a serious actions..

This thread is strictly for the dev and the users of this rom and only for discussions about this rom..

OP IS WORK IN PROGRESS

Note:

Sdcard mounting will not automatic work, after every boot you need to launch SD.sh manualy via Root Explorer to mount the sdcard. After that sdcard will work just fine. I wanted to release this a.s.a.p so there are a little things you should know.

:cool:

Download links:

http://rapidshare.com/files/445191713/Gingerbread_2.3.1-TripNRaVeR_v1.3.zip

http://www.mediafire.com/?vo479zrds0l6rlc

ps, i'm gonna work at this OP first, then support..

does anybody else here have some strange mount points? since my new phone i got system@mtdblock1 and data mtdblock2 and cache mtdblock3

but i changed it back for you guys, so that it is the same for you

a quick work list:

gsm

data

wifi

bluetooth

gps

video player 50%

camera 10% not fully implemented in this one, have a little more patience

Today i also got Android 3.0 preview working you get more info about this one when i think its ready thanks

Would like to thank everyone below for the received donations: (list is updating)

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[XPERIA X10 Android Development] cruzin_cruzing:
What's the current progress on your other ROM's?

Great job, can't wait for actual release.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] TripNRaVeR:
They are next, i just needed to finish this one. Upcoming Cyanogen tomorow, MIUI a few days later. :)

forgot to say this... its not even a bit optimized

think we should be able to get much higher score
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] jpdediego:
Great! Thanks for all your effort Trip.

Can't wait for your roms and ready to buy you a couple of beers.

Enviado desde mi X10a Turbo
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] puncosorock:
Happy to read you. It was said to much about your hip. I wait your rom.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] FabricioGS:
Signed. I can't miss this :p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] wiedz:
more toys to play with :D :D

great job man..
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] phodigy:
Great job ;]

and just wondering does this 2.3 have the Keyboard from MIUI rom?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] cjsabaki:
Sweeeeet........ glad to hear the reports of your demise were false!!!! Awsome work!!! Thank you sir!!!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tuxStyle:
Do you have for us a list with what is not working?

I don't have high hopes camera/camcoder :P but i hope GPS and sensors are ok :D

For camera might be a slight chance if somebody finds a systemdump from Xperia Play.

In an Engadget video they have the stock camera (not SE camera) working.

Even the camcoder but not 720p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rtblittlebrown:
Greatt!!! Cant wait
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] TechGuru_x10:
Hardly Can Wait !!!!!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Vindicated777:
Wow...can't wait! Thanks for the update Trip!!!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rein_hiryu:
Great Trip, you're the man!!!! Thanks for your works :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] streamnlnl:
Edit...

Nvm, I must read better :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Hawkysoft:
Good job bro, but i'll wait for the rom ive waited for since i got this phone xD Cyanogen FTW!!!!!

Keep on going bro

Send from my custom X10/2.1 using XDA App
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] RaDi:
@Trip

really thi is a gr8 work

but i want to ask u , what happends with arabic and RTL ?

thank u
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] SIOUX1104:
Wow, this could be great! Im currently using Z and Js free x10 beta3 and im proud to say my phone feels so good! I will wait for this rom so i could test and finally keep my chosen rom permanent! Keep up the good work !

Trip, binary , z and j should be inducted to xdas hall of fame!!! :):):)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] xtrmshadow:
Lol i just laughed at the 36k Linpack ,so by reading the title,Linpack gives a score of 36000.000 :D

Regards
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] FilexUnderground:
A list :O ?

I really curious about the features that work
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] streamnlnl:
please not again!!

could we for a change keep the topic as a dev tread.

@trip.

sorry dude, but I can't use this a daily ROM.

Many random FC, And I have try many thing but I can not mount the sdcard.

And the bugs that i have (link), still exist.

So i'm going back to your "old" ROM.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] N!ghtgold:
Flashing

I think Im flashing this wrong. Im using xrecovery to install the .zip file. Im new to the xperia i was using a galaxy s before. When I flash this rom my cellular radio and gps wont turn on can some please advise what im doing wrong thanks
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Windst:
i'm testing every release, but i'll backup to his old rom for daily use, until a more stable beta 2.3 is ready.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] FabricioGS:
+1

I'm glad for this great work but it's more like an alpha right now, I'm back to 2.2.1 beta 3 from Z.

Will test any new version tho.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] chefrichy:
well when you say you will release something and then dont and say you will release it the next day and dont its obvious that you dont care what the community thinks he doesnt do this for the commumity he does this for himself. if he was concerned about peoples opinions he wouldnt release half ass attempts. nerd rage all you like, get off his tit for a sec and you'll understand
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CoopZor:
No doubt Trip is a very good coder, but he starts many ROM's but finishes none.

Lets hope he makes this one to a good end.

If he does i will buy him a couple of beers.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] cjsabaki:
Opinions vary. All of our Dev's kick ass. None of them have to do any of the things they do. Remember that.... we have the rom's we have strictly because of them......
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] chefrichy:
the devs dont owe us anything thats right at the same time no one is holding a gun to their head. i appretiate z's freex10 it works great. you dont have to kiss their ass though they're not healing your grand dads testicular cancer.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brandoncw:
I'm not "nerd raging" or "on his it" as you say but it seems to me that you are used to getting everything you want. In other words, you are SPOILED. I do not know the guy personally, but I am sure that he has a life just like the rest of us. Unexpected obligations like school, work, family, etc. come up and keep people from achieving goals they set for themselves. He is only human so give the guy a break.

If you really want your ROM so bad, offer to help the guy out so that he can get it released faster, PM him and offer to develop something, or donate so the guy can afford to spend more time working on this project.

Hopefully, you can bring something to the table. If you can not OR you do not appreciate all of Trip's work.... Go develop your own ROM and then you will you won't have to worry about release dates anymore.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] chefrichy:
im not asking for anything and ive only d/l one rom, so spoiled i am not. im referring to people getting upset over people asking where the rom is he promised a week ago then totally avoided talking about in his recent post. im defemding the people who are getting **** on by elitist nerds such as yourself.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] cjsabaki:
All I know, I have had 2.1 and three different froyo 2.2 roms on my phone... the same phone that doesn't even have 2.1 officially for from at&t. I am very thankful for the people that make it possible.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brandoncw:
Ok Superman. Great job defending the people by calling everyone names. Elitist nerds, nerd ragers, or whatever else your brilliant brain can come up with. I hope that those names somehow defended some helpless maiden from getting raped by Trip. haha

Yes, sir. You are spoiled. You and I should both know what it's like to be told a date and have nothing come of it. You own an Xperia too, right? Isn't Sony the evil villain in this case that should be blamed for pushing back dates for over a year? How can you possibly get upset over a week, when we as Xperia users have waited so long to get ECLAIR?!?

Trip is clearly making progress on a ROM that Sony appears to have no intention of releasing to us. I called you spoiled before but I'm going to take that back. I don't want to engage in a game of name calling.

My goal, is simply to point out that we should be a little more patient with a guy who is working so hard of his own free will. Especially, when employees at Sony are paid thousands of dollars and give us nothing.

The guy is working hard and getting paid FAR less than the people that are supposed to be doing this job. Can we at least agree on that? In that respect, the "nerd ragers" or "elitists" have his back. Without him and all of the other XDA devs, we would be at Sony's mercy. So try to exercise just a little more patience please.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] shinnsan:
First of all, thanks to trip for the great release. Great effort there.

What I've found:

wifi, gsm, data working

bluetooth, camera not working

sd card mounted with sd.sh script instead of the one mentioned by trip.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] fightingroost12:
if u want the rom so bad work on it yourself
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] droidier:
nice but very laggy...will wait for the final stable release
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] FabricioGS:
People with lag problems:

Edit /system/build.prop file using RootExplorer, change heapsize from 16m to 32m, save and reboot.

You'll see this ROM blazing fast now ;)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] stillka:
Hello,

is there any benefit in android 3.0 over android 2.3.1?

As I know, only difference is tablet optimisation in 3.0, so nothing for us.

Regards stillka
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CoopZor:
Please stop playing with 3.0, put all you'r effort in 2.3 for now :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] TripNRaVeR:
Damn! I see that i sleeped the whole day :D

About SD.sh thats completely true, i forgot to edit that. Also i fix the heapsize problem in the rom on the first page. Latest version will always be in the OP.