yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Themes and Apps] arkatis:
Hey dude..Thanks for responding... Yeah i am still waiting for the activation code! They will send it to me via email.. Though Marketplace will not work in my Country cause it's not official yet here...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Themes and Apps] MerLinh:
Then i suggest you change the region of your account or create antoher one with us or gb or any country that is supported otherwise no marketplace no live no avatar, that happened to me. So i created a new one.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rugedraw:
See my comments in red.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Khilbron:
Ok, so TL;DR you are curious about rooting.

The absolute fastest and simplest way to root would be to use Unrevoked, just google unrevoked and read their guide, there is even a video tutorial step by step. Unrevoked has been updated to all versions of the EVO. When you root with Unrevoked, it automatically changes your recovery from the Stock unusable recovery to Clockwork mod 2.6.

When you flash a Rom, it comes already with a kernel, you can choose to change the Kernel but this is not required, Flashing wimax keys is not something you do, what you do is create a backup and this will backup your wimax keys. It is confirmed that Clockwork 2.6 makes a backup of your wimax keys.

You cannot make a backup of your unrooted stock rom, however as soon as you become rooted, you can make a backup of your stock rooted rom. Inregards to Clockwork vs Amon, If you root with Unrevoked you will have clockwork, if you wish to switch Ra recovery, you should follow the step by step instructions in the Ra Recovery thread in the development section.

Sprint Lovers is a Sense rom, which means it is 100% functional, the only 90% roms are AOSP(MIUI, CM, Gingerbread, ect..) if a rom is based on the 3.70 OTA Update it will be a sense rom, and be 100% functional. Before you Flash any rom, ALWAYS go into your recovery and Wipe Data, Wipe Cache, Wipe Dalvik Cache. Perform all wipes twice for best results. In Ra recovery these are all in the front page, in clockwork you need to go to advanced to access the dalvik wipe.

In regards to nandroid, you cannot do this without rooting, Once you root you will have a custom recovery, from inside your custom recovery you will select Nandroid(Clockwork), or Backup/Restore(Ra Recovery), and perform your backup. Both is these recoveries will make a backup of your Wimax keys, Ra Recovery is the only one that lets you select individual items to backup. Please also note, if you make a backup with clockwork it is only good with clockwork, and if you backup with RA it is only good with RA. So if you decide to change recoveries, you must redo your backups.

Your phone keeps its number because the only thing flashing changes is your software, it doesn't change your phones ID numbers that were activated on the sprint network.

Here are some Links for you.

Unrevoked Root Method: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=895208

Ra Recovery: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=705026

Sprint Lovers Rom: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=830153

Again if you are new to all of this, Unrevoked is the fastest simplest method to rooting your phone.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] playya:
I think you got two very good answers... Unrevoked by far easiest and trouble free rooting procedure IMO out there. I would just flash Amon recovery afterwards.

Also there is a nice program to help with other things called androidcommander.

Backing up your programs you can try MYBAckup

Like said previously no need to back up your rom but look into SPB Backup or Sprite Backup if you are still concerned
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4redstars:
I think you have a pretty good handle on the phone stuff and the other answers you got were awesome...(gotta love the xda community!!)

My only gotchas you have to pay attention for are.

1. Having the correct drivers installed to use unrevoked. It is in the tutorials and in the instructions so you should be good

2. Getting the custom recovery (whther clockwork or amon ra) gives you great options to flash new stuff and backup existing installations, keeping backups is your friend!

3. I prefer Amon Ra over clockwork but clockwork is not a bad recovery, it's just preference (there are also certain posts out there that have clockwork being required to use for CM7, this may or may not be the case, I love me some Amon Ra)

4. at the bare minimum wipe cache and davlik in recovery when installing kernels, roms, and what not...I prefer a full wipe when switching between roms but if I'm just upgrading through betas or using the same devs roms I normally don't fully wipe.

5. Use Calkulins Format All.zip to do a full wipe, it just feels safer to use.

6. If something goes wrong don't get discouraged! restoring a nandroid or reflashing a rom will clear things up usually...

7. IMPORTANT - if you install new radios or PRIs or anything like this DO NOT PULL YOUR BATTERY IF IT TAKES A WHILE, just let it work...you will have problems...Using the sprint lovers all in one I feel is the safest route.

Forum advice

1. ignore the unfriendly people on the forums...they have nothing better to do than sit around and wait for people to ask dumb questions and get to use the same cliched links and jpegs to post to your question / thread...

2. Search and read and read and read before posting something that may have been covered.

Hope this helps, feel free to PM me, though I'm nowhere near the geniuses who are on these forums, so I'm closer to you than you think.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegh0st:
thanks for all the answers so far!

I am aware from all the reading and more reading not to mess with the wimax (RSA keys) as for flashing unless it is a last ditch effort to fix 4G. in my OP I just reference them to be sure on my understanding and how I am perceiving things to work. I believe the more I understand (basics, mechanics, etc.) the easier time I will have and the easier to trouble shoot.

oh and I have read and understand to backup the wimax/RSA keys also. that is made really clear in the threads I have read.

also I see everyone is saying to use unrevoked but from what I read here...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=865204

...I was not really looking to go that way. it states in this thread for the 3rd option "

Longer step by step version: - Complicated and more time consuming but easier to troubleshoot

" which is the way I would like to go so I understand more and have a better way to trouble shoot. I wouldn't wanna one click and bork with nothing to understand if that makes sense.

now from what I have read SprintLovers ROM has a built in wireless tether I thought so I guess this ROM has it's own kernel then from the information everyone has provided me with so far. is that typical for a ROM to have it's own kernel built and flashed with the ROM the same way some ROM's have their own recovery tool? if so I can live with that.

btw - just in case this helps:

SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP s-ON

HBOOT-2.10.0001

TOUCH PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac

RADIO-2.15.00.11.19

OCT 15 2010, 12:07:00

Software information

Android version

2.2

Baseband version

2.15.00.11.19

Kernel version

2.6.32.17-gee557fd

htc-kernel@and18-2 #15

Build number

3.70.651.1 CL294884 release-keys

Software number

3.70.651.1

Browser version

WebKit 3.1

PRI Version

1.90_003

PRL Version

60674

Hardware information

Hardware version

0003

- that is my current phone info (oh doh I was going to reference replies but I gotta wait 5 min first)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rugedraw:
A lot of roms come with a 3rd party kernel already built into it. The OP of the thread you got the rom from says (or should say) if and what kernel was baked into the rom. Some devs will even recommend custom kernels that have been tested with their rom.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegh0st:
see above reply

this can be done with the stock setup right?

so I would use this .zip and flash it like you flash a ROM or recovery etc.?

thanks - good to keep in mind if I ever have to

I am usually pretty good at letting the water slide off and I tend to think I won't know things if I don't ask

promise I have read a lot!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] topdawgn8:
Good information from everyone...just my two cents:

You can use Wireless Tether with the stock kernel; however, from what I understand you will not be able to use the naitive hotspot.

The link you posted for rooting is my favorite method. It works on HW 0004 and HW 0003, along with HBOOT 2.10
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegh0st:
thanks! I might have just missed that or forgotten (I will check that thread again) - i've got a jumble of info/things in my mind atm but once I actually do this and the more I do, well that usually straightens things out
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4redstars:
1. As for rooting method there are a few but the easiest (at least to me) is unrevoked. Install drivers set your phone to charge only and wait a few minutes, voila! it's rooted.

4. It can be done with a custom recovery

5. Yes you flash it like a regular .zip like a rom or kernel (it's not 100% necessary but I like having it on my sd card and I normally combine it with a wipe from just the custom recovery
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegh0st:
again see my reply - trying not to use the one click method

doh! you answered one of my follow up questions right here lol so they do come with a kernel - gotcha! - and from all the reading I have done I understand about the wimax/RSA keys - I believe I read a thread and someone who answered said Amon_RA backs them up to but I will make a manual backup also to be sure

thanks for all this and the info on what the backups are actually called per recovery - that is some great info - it seems I was correct in thinking I could not do a nandroid without rooting but I could do a nandroid or Amon_RA backup before flashing a ROM & technically a nandroid is the backup term for clockwork. glad to know this and what Amon_RA is called - I mighta been wondering where I messed up going with Amon_RA and not finding a nandroid option.

now you say I will have a custom recovery once I root? but I the reply before yours states I can root and leave everything stock to?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n00bhackin:
This has helped me too, but I do have a couple extra questions:

1) Root

2) Nand backup using recovery of choice.

3) Flash a ROM

OK, if after #3 I find my 4g is borked and have lost my RSA keys, would flashing the backup made in #2 restore the lost keys correctly?

And, is restoring a Nand backup just like flashing a ROM?

Thanks,
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegh0st:
according the long method (this is the method I would prefer to use) this is required to use z4root (temp root) and get the phone to respond and is supported here - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=891674&highlight=z4root - please let me know if I read that wrong or misunderstood

I was just making sure I understood how things work here - thank you though - and yes I know not to flash wimax/RSA keys - also about unrevoked see my other replies - not looking to use the one click method if possible

thanks for this information to - very helpful - now about the ROM manager and using it to get a custom recovery I would do this after I get rooted right?

so if root my phone & I stay with stock (ROM & kernel) then I can install some root requiring apps but I wouldn't be able to get tethering? is that right? I don't care if it is sprint's hotspot or an after market app. I just would like one that works

and thank you very much again for all the information and answers!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegh0st:
thanks! I am definitely not worried about the native built in hotspot - just a wireless tether (and wired) that works - third party/after market - which ever

sounds like something to try at least before completely flashing the ROM
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegh0st:
I am hardly the one to be answering for sure but from all the reading I have done I believe I did read at the very least a couple of times that you rename your backup file as PC36IMG.zip and flash it so I would think it is like just flashing a ROM but we would be flashing our backups.

hopefully someone with more knowledge will answer and confirm our thoughts

as for if that brings the wimax/RSA keys - good question
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4redstars:
Only if you backed up your wimax.img. In Amon Ra's backup you can select Wimax as one of the items to back up during a nandroid. I'm not sure about Clockwork recovery but in Amon Ra's it is not on by default. I created it once and haven't done it again as I have it backed up to my pc.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n00bhackin:
Yup, would make sure I had everything backed up before I went flashing ROMs. Just want to make sure that I can recover everything using the nand backup (inc Keys) if something flashes wrong.

I live and travel in 4G areas, and don't want to lose that access.

So as I hear it I back up with Clock or RA w/ all options check, and if I needed to restore just rename to PC36IMG.zip and flash on that.

Thanks for the info,
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4redstars:
Actually just do a nandroid restore in the recovery and everything comes back. I have never used the PC36IMG.zip method. I also don't suggest restoring the wimax.img unless you have 4g problems, there is no reason otherwise...I suggest doing the backup and then saving the img in a safe place...

You can do a restore without certain .imgs in it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n00bhackin:
Sweet...thanks so much, that just upped my confidence level to root. Needed to know I could and how to restore back to a starting point. Looks like I got a project now for this weekend...Root here I come....

Now I just gotta choose from all the great ROMs out there. Decisions decisions decisions.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4redstars:
starting close to a stock rom would be a good starter rom...but there are so many AWESOME devs here you will become a flashaholic very fast. I'm currently rockin MikFroyo, but I've had extended times with Calkulin's, Myn's, Ricsim's, Cyanogen's, Fresh's, and Damage's...I mean I've gone through them all and I didn't have a bad time with any.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegh0st:
ok, I'm back - the new people right?

and dang are the weekends to short!

ok so as I posted here "http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=932867"

I actually got wireless tethering to work without rooting my phone and I backed up my wimax/RSA key & partition

the only catch is if I reboot I have to activate z4root again. not a big deal but something tells me this could easily stop working since I had to do a factory reset to get it to work in the first place - not something I want to do on a regular basis (tho if I use an aftermarket launcher at least I can back stuff up, as in home screens/setup - just a pain to reinstall all the apps)

now on to my new questions -

is the only way to actually root & get s-off to flash a custom recovery like Amon_RA? (which i have downloaded btw)

and if I get in a situation where I need to return the phone and I have a custom recovery (if the answer to the above question is yes) then I can flash unrevoked-forever-son to remove Amon_RA and revert back?

and more new questions from even more thread reading -

what is the difference if you flash from the bootloader when it automatically looks for the PC36IMG.zip file versus going into recovery and flashing from there?

(and is the difference in the stock recovery & a custom one the option to pick custom file names and be able to create backups?)

btw - just to be clear I am still not interested in using unrevoked one click method as I do not want to use clockwork if being rooted requires a custom recovery

thanks a ton again to everyone for all the help & answers

forgot one more question - and this depends on the above answers -

if I do need to do a custom recovery & I get Amon_RA on my phone but I leave the actual ROM alone/stock - can I do OTA updates? I know I have read not to do these with custom ROM's like SpintLovers, etc. so I am wondering if this includes custom recovery's also
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Maximiano:
You can root and get s-off with out using a custom recovery. Is the only reason that you don't want to use Unrevoked because of clockwork?

Do not do OTA updates. The carrier usually patches the exploit that was used for root causing you to loose root. Just wait for the developers to put in the enhancements into their ROMs. They are really fast here.

If you need to un-root, it is covered in several threads. Just do a search and you should be fine.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegh0st:
yes the only reason is because I do not want clockwork.

I have read threads for unrooting and a lot of them involve using the latest RUU but if I keep my stock ROM (& just get rooted) then I wouldn't think I would have to go through all that. one of the reasons for my question. as in the following unroot guide - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=829045 - seems like I could just do the unrevoked-forever-son and skip the other part if I still have a stock ROM but I want to be sure I'm understanding everything correctly

on this same thread it goes from step 6 (backing up wimax/RSA key) to step 7 (not really sure what that code/step does) then all the following steps involve flashing the ROM & something else - where did the actual rooting take place?

as for patches with ROMs I was planning to stay stock (at least for now) so that wouldn't apply or help me out but that is good to know it might break the root method. thanks!

now back to one of my other questions - if I can root without needing a custom recovery - where is the thread or instruction for that? everything I have read goes from backing up the wimax/RSA keys to immediately copying a ROM/recovery file to the SD card and flashing as the next step (as the example above) - or in the case of unrevoked, automatically installing a custom recovery I don't want to use

feel to let me know if question or answers don't seem clear

i'm going to read the "must read-read this first" threads again to make sure I didn't miss something between steps
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r.storm85:
You cannot access the stock recovery.

A custom recovery is actually a perk of being rooted. Nandroid backups is one perk. As most of us start flashing all kinds of stuff (ROMS,kernels,recoveries,themes,fonts,mods), as there is many things to flash. And when you start flashing sometimes things go wrong and a nandroid will fix it. And as time goes by usually any phone will start trippin a little and with a nandroid you can restore to two months ago when your phone was fine

Basically the old way you would flash a rom or kernel. Is rename it P36IMG and the bootloader (which is stock from htc) would find it and install it. Now with custom recoveries you don't have to rename it and you can search your whole sd card to find it. But usually if you have problems flashing through custom recovery, flashing it by P36IMG usually works...its safer.

Also don't know if you figured it out yet, but roms do not come with recoveries. Once you have your recovery on the phone, it stays no matter what you flash (unless you flash a different recovery)

Now I guess you don't NEED a custom recovery. Im thinking just skip that step. As i know you dont need a recovery as i have broken my recovery before and could not access it, but my phone was working just the same.

And then you could use s-on tool, then delete all your root apps and you'll look stock. Im not sure if that would make it really unrooted though. Only thing is you wont be able to ever flash roms or kernels if you decided to because you have to wipe first and without a recovery you can't. But you could flash a recovery after if you wanted

Also I know you don't want clockwork, but its all I've used since I rooted (6-7 months) and its been perfect. So I guess its kinda random what results you'll get.

Also if you do root and install a custom recovery. Do yourself a favor, if your phone is working good. And you have found a rom you love, a kernel that gives you great battery and speed, and a recovery that always works and restores your nandroids. Do not worry about upgrading to the newest version of your rom/kernel/recovery, as new versions are coming out all the time, and it doesn't mean since its newer its going to be better for YOUR phone. A known rule is...what works great on my phone might suck on yours. There is no way to tell. Good luck

Evo - Myn 2.2 RLS 3 - Clockwork - HBoot .76
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jettin Stang:
im using mikfroyo 4.4 and he did a hack on the sprint hotspot that makes it free and it is basically a stock rom but it is deoxed
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ATownI20:
I know this is off topic, but for the record, I absolutely love the fact that you took time to learn before you came to ask for help. Guys I think we need to point newbies to this thread to see how they should approach the community as a newbie with questions. Glad to see lots of people helping you. APPLAUSE
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r.storm85:
If you rename a file to PC36IMG, and run it through hboot, the file takes care of everything. Im not sure how the devs do it but I know its all in the file itself.

I did fix my recovery, I actually broke it by trying to flash a new recovery through terminal emulator (another way to flash files is through an app called terminal emulator on your phone. Its just like adb, but on your phone while its booted. Flashing anything through terminal emulator is probably the most dangerous way to flash. But I do use it all the time

:) ).

Any way I fixed it by flashing an older version of clockworkmod recovery through the rom manager app. Then its been fine.

The unrevoked file your talking about is unrevoked forever. This basically is the ultimate root. You can receive ota updates from htc without losing root.

Unrevoked 3 gives you root at the radio level, which changes with every update from htc.

Unrevoked forever gives you root at the radio level which is below the radio, so you never lose root.

Thats what the s-on tool is made for, because its the only thing that can get you back to s-on if you have run unrevoked forever,

Where if you just did unrrvoked 3 you just run an original ruu and youll be unrooted.

You probably cant install a custom recovery as PC36IMG without root because rooting shuts off security (s-off) which lets you install these unsigned roms,recoveries,kernels etc.

If you use unrevoked 3 to root you automatically get clockworkmod, its the recovery they include and there is no way around it unless you root the hard way via adb. But its simple to switch from clockwork to amon ra via rom manager app

Also if you root and install a recovery. Make sure to remember if you flash the s-on tool and delete your root apps, you will still have your custom recovery wit s-on. This is why you run a ruu to replace the custom recovery with the stock recovery and then your really unrooted.

Evo - Myn 2.2 RLS 3 - Clockwork - HBoot .76
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teh roxxorz:
To the user afraid to use unrevoked because of clockwork, uou can use unrevoked, and then go into rom manager and flash over amon ra recovery. You just can't use rom manger at that point, unless you switch back to clockwork.