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[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Responsibility

For me, it's a matter of responsibility and integrity. MS uses IE for WP7. They aren't idiots and know that many sites use Flash for video. They have a responsibilty to provide a browser experience for their users that allows them to enjoy these sites. I really don't care if they have to kiss Adobes butt to get this done, they have a responsibily to do it. Thank God we had chefs and devs for WM 6.x to provide this.

Integrity - Don't provide a slot for user installed memory cards without making sure those cards will work reliably.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
And that right there is the problem. Currently the camera does not revert back to the best-case-scenario settings. If it did, i.e. highest resolution, auto/medium everything and anti-shake/auto-focus (if available) turned on I'd be happy enough to call it a feature as it would always give you the best possible result without extra fiddling around.

That said, I would still prefer it to save all settings but in order not to screw it up for Joe Schmoe, you would have to manually save them.

But let's not kid ourselves - the camera settings isn't the only bug in the OS. It was the only one I initially brought up because it was one of the highest touted features.

In any case, my point was; they need to start rolling out bugfixes. Everyone loves to compare WP7 to the iPhone and generally bring up that it took Apple years to bring out copy'n'paste - well, here's an interesting fact for ya; Apple brought out several updates (generally bug and security -fixes) in the first quarter, Microsoft hasn't done any.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Omega Ra:
I believe the option is in the Samsung phones...I know it is on my Omnia 2. can't wait to get a WP7...might switch to AT&T if I don't hear anything at MWC
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Samsung/AT&T are the ones to blame for this one, not Microsoft.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
I completely agree with the bugfixes, however, Apple rolled out their updates because there were critical issues that undermined the security of the phone and it's information. They were also bugs that ruined the experience. Apple didn't include a 'feature' until 3-4 months into the release, I believe.

And the camera, at least for me, reverts back to everything being auto and the resolution being 5MP. Camcorder is the only pain that requires me to switch to 720p, but I'm not going to condemn Microsoft to the depths of Hell for it the way many users here are. I mean, I can't remember how many times tethering has been brought up... Do you honestly think the average 12-25 year old uses tethering...ever? I consider myself a nerd and I maybe used it once on my HD2, there are wireless hotspots EVERYWHERE.

My point is that much of this complaining is unneccessary and simply provides friction rather than solutions. Just like politics, people complain about their personal needs rather than the requirement to satisfy the general people... I'm pretty happy with the OS, it does what it needs to efficiently, and the apps are getting better with every update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
What you said. With the exception that the default resolution of the video camera of 640 x 480 is imho the best one as 720 is only worthwhile in a minority of cases. Phone video quality is generally not really up to HD, mostly because the camera's lense is way too small and the CCD is not of a high enough quality or sensitivity.

To my mind, the 720 option is pretty much a marketing gimmick.

There's a reason why the default photo resolution is the maximum, and the default video resolution is not. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
So how about in low light conditions when you may have to adjust the camera settings, how convenient is it to have to always make those adjustments each and every time you want to take a picture? And now its being suggested that people are too stupid to adjust camera settings for themselves so its ok for the camera to revert every time you close it? How do people manage this supremely complex task on other platforms? Even Windows Mobile had that feature, how many asked for it to always revert to default settings with that OS? And what guarantee is there that the camera picks the best settings?

Seems as though people are really just turning a blind eye to everything thats wrong with this OS, its not a feature, its a bloody bug! And you know, if you expect mediocrity, thats exactly what you will get, and that seems to be what a lot of people are now advocating with WP7, dont expect best of class, average is good enough because its geared towards the "average" user. News flash, the average user is going for the devices with all the bells and whistles, basic features missing from WP7 does it no good at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
They need to roll out bug fixes asap. Those new features can wait, but please fix things now MS. I dunno if anyone experienced this bug, but have you ever tried playing a video/movie in a quiet waiting area, phone volume up there, while using a bluetooth headset? They should fix that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
I think people who call it a bug are over reacting.

One feature of the phone is that it reverts back to standard camera settings so that pictures could be taken quickly in random conditions.

It does lack the feature of giving you the option to store camera settings.

It's fine to want that feature. I personally want that feature added. But the lack of an additional feature is not a bug. It's just a lack of a feature.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
How quickly do the conditions in which you take a picture change? Most likely you are in one spot for more than a few minutes and you wont have the camera application open all that time, so if the default settings arent ideal you think having to change them everytime you use the camera is a feature?
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
So then you leave that situation and stick the phone back in your pocket. Hours later you're walking outside and need to take a quick picture. In your scenario everything's set for low light mode and the picture is ruined. I agree that there should be an option to save your settings if you always change certain ones, but it should revert back to some baseline set and not how it was last.

Regardless, the camera is behaving exactly how it was designed. You may disagree with the design decision, but it's not a bug.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
True. I rather need similar settings often than different each time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
Having a default setting as opposed to always reverting to your last setting is a feature.

I guarantee you that if it always reverted to the last setting there would be complaints about it.

They are both features. But only one of them is present on the phone.

I agree that it would be great to have the option to have saved settings. Ideally, you could save several settings and quickly press the one you want to use if you don't want to use the default.

But just because I want something that's not there doesn't mean it's a bug.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I've been saying this over and over. WP7 updates will be slow and not worth ****. You can expect the update when new handsets are announced or launched. Don't expect nothing until then.

They care more about selling licenses, just like OEMs care more about selling devices.

They gain more with this strategy. New handsets announced, attract new customers; retain old customers with the update. It's a simple strategy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Lack of updates is not a strategy, unless they are auto-destructive.

I mean unhappy *****ing customers are not a good future foundation.

Even sonyericsson, the laziest updater, realized that. I certainly think it is necessary today for any company. I suppose MS understands that. Or hope.

They are at least reliable on desktop Windows.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Thats exactly what I would think, who would by another WP7 device when they see that updates are only available on new handsets? Pissed off WM users have already scarpered, pissed off WP7 users will do the same.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Thing is, I'm still talking up the OS to everyone who will listen. It's a great OS after all. I just wish they would get their **** together.

The fact that [some] WM users have jumped ship was only to be expected. They've basically gone from an unsupported (WM) to a supported (Android) OS providing the same level of functionality and stability.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
I think people give MS too much credit, when they actually believe that not saving camera settings was planned as a user benefit rather then a oversight.

To believe MS never wanted you to use a memory card you would have to believe they quickly wrote a driver at the last minute, so that a card could be integrated with device memory & knowing full well that it wouldn't work properly LOL.

I think anything MS says regarding bugs vs planned behaviour is BS at this point, & just a way to save face. I was listening to the Windows Weekly podcast on Ustream, & it was speculated that when Windows 8 comes along running on ARM the Windows area may use it as a opportunity to kill WP7. Makes me wonder if MS is really committed to the WP7 platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
MS never publicly said there was a January update.

They said the first quarter of 2011.

So, they are still in line with what they've been saying this whole time, but people are jumping down their throats already.

How about getting on them for stuff they actually said?
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Their update page said january in url until it was changed.

Sent from my Bionix powered Vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
They actually did - both the URL and Webpage the URL was pointing at mentioned january.

Also, Joe Belfiore said copy'n'paste is coming in an update "very very soon" at the WP7 launch. Fast forward to CES and Ballmer says "in the next few months". They certainly had intentions of providing it in January.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I remember that too. Belfiore talked about it in a video interview also. C&P is a desired feature, but as far as I'm concerned, it most certainly is not enough, especially with all of the past talk of a "massive" update bringing nearly WP8 to our phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vista1984:
what is more disappointed is that , the copy and paste can only use in the text box . It means we can not copy something from the website.

Shame.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
They said they want to get C&P "right" when it comes out. But with these limitations of their C&P, IMHO I don't think they'll get it right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
So I just received the developer newsletter announcing that payments are being sent out. This excerpt might be helpful.

Windows Phone 7 Improvements Coming Soon

2010 was a very exciting year for the Windows Phone business. We introduced Windows Phone 7 in different markets across North America, Europe, and Asia, and the feedback from users has been very positive. As of today, over 2 million Windows Phone 7 licenses have been sold to OEMs worldwide, and, thanks to your support, customers can now find over 6500 apps and games in our Windows Phone 7 Marketplace. While we are pleased with our progress and humbled by the excitement and participation of so many developers, we know we still have a lot more work to do to help you sell your applications to a growing number of satisfied Windows Phone 7 customers.

As announced at CES, we will soon be releasing updates to Windows Phone 7 that reflect the feedback we have been receiving from customers and partners to improve the products we deliver. These updates will be pushed out to our existing customers and will include several changes. The two most noteworthy for Windows Phone users are the addition of copy and paste, and significant performance improvements when loading or switching between applications.

Existing applications already written and published will automatically receive the benefits of copy and paste and performance improvements when users update their devices. You will not be required to recompile or resubmit applications, nor will you have to change the way you have been utilizing our development tools and APIs. Although this is true for most cases, there might be some specific situations in which developers might prefer to recompile their apps to improve user experience. We will provide you with more information about these scenarios soon.

Additionally we are working to finish the release that will allow us and our partners to make new Windows Phones available from Sprint and Verizon in the first half of 2011.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FishFaceMcGee:
But it's Microsoft's decision that NO CAMERA SETTINGS SAVE. Period. If the anti-shake was the ONLY setting that didn't save, then you would be absolutely right. However, the camera app as a whole does not save your settings, and that's a Microsoft issue.

Microsoft should be faster about getting updates out into the market than they are. What I'm afraid of is that the policy of doing huge updates in a slower pace was done to appease the carriers. If that's the case, then we'll never see the pace of updates sped up.

If Microsoft is going to only do a handful of updates a year, then they need to be massive. They're going against two (three if you count BlackBerry) entrenched competitors with more time in the market and more features. The "oh, well the iPhone shipped without features" (or Android for that matter) defense doesn't work because the iPhone was the first ever consumer-focused smartphone, so the majority of users of the iPhone didn't even know what they were missing.

Microsoft can't afford to be lacking features from Android and iPhone for very long. I would say that if they don't have Multi-tasking (even if it's just like iPhone's where it's just limited to API-calls) by MWC 2012, they're in serious trouble.

However, it is stupid to call WP7 dead or in trouble now, period. The OS has been out for less than 4 months, in a market where people's purchasing decisions are timed on a two-year cycle and with competitors that MS knows they can only currently beat on a User Experience-based metric. Microsoft is in this for the long haul, and they know that eventually all cell phones will be smartphones, and by having a product out in the market now, they're ahead of that curve. If they can continue to create a better experience than Android and iPhone while coming closer to feature-parity, they will be an extremely dangerous competitor to them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GenkaiMade:
This. Finally someone who knows what they're talking about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
just sharing an interesting article: http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/wp7-update-support-article-now-live-update-imminent
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
One of the Chevron guys was the one who started the "massive update, like WP8" rumour. No other source confirmed it, it grew legs on its own. The only official statement from MS has been in relation to copy and paste, nothing more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Cleaned Thread!

Deleted off topic / rude posts / trolls / thanks posts / etc

Number of pages reduced from 12 to 6

Please keep this thread clean.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Why don't you just kick a butt or two, sending trolls to readonly status for a week or two, with a warning to ban next time or something?

Come on, there's obviously a bunch of guys here having fun provoking fans, fans get defencive and the same useless discussion derails every topic here. It's almost impossible to talk about anything already.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
Update being deployed?

Windows Phone france reports that the NoDo update may now be being deployed, maybe just a rumour, but who knows - check it out here

http://www.windowsphonefr.com/rumeur-le-deploiement-de-la-mise-a-jour-aurait-commence/1928
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
The anti-shake has to have a default state. That state could either be ON or OFF. Samsung could have set the default state to ON. If they had, then sure, the user setting it to OFF would not have that setting saved, the phone would default back to ON. It's not up to Microsoft which state Samsung's hardware antishake defaults to, even if it IS up to Microsoft whether CHANGES to that setting get saved or not.

Saving changes to a setting is totally different to making a particular setting the default.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
First, do you have any hard evidence that this is indeed Samsung specific? Sure, as of today there are no other devices flaunting this exact setting, but it could very well still be in all WP7 handsets - just like the 3G switch is in all, but hidden/deactivated on some (certain Omnia7 branded ROMs).

Microsoft is behind the camera app and there is nothing that points to the OEMs and/or carriers offering value-add to this specific app. Microsoft has, afaik, written all drivers for all devices so it is not inconceivable that the Anti-Shake setting is available across the board, but not visible on devices not sporting this function.

In any case you are still missing the point. Whether or not it is a feature request or bugfix can be discussed in great length, but seeing as just about everyone, everywhere, sees it as a bug I think it's safe to say that Microsoft continuing to announce it as a feature is a fail - no matter if it was indeed designed that way or not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Anti Shake is not Samsung specific.

I have it on my LG.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hardcoreplur:
It would be a feature if you could set the defaults... i love the anti-shake on my quantum but if i have to set it everytime or my low light shots come out horrible.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I didn't read that from the Chevron guys. It was Pocketnow and Engadget and other tech sites. But just because MS changed their intentions doesn't mean those sites were wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
And being featureless is a feature.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
You may have read it there, but it was started by a couple tweets from Chris Walshie which one of the tech-sites ran with. Within a few hours it had spread like wildfire and all the usual suspects were quoting each other as sources.
[Windows Phone 7 General] boah78:
it's a bug... if it wasn't why is there a "restore to default." It's a cell phone camera, it's not like you can open the aperture way up and set a long exposure time while you're inside in the dark and then go outside and overexpose the pic... the only things that could potentially cause any problem are EV and white balance, (I guess you could make an argument for ISO too, but in almost all situations the camera will be able to compensate with changing exposure time) but again, it's a cell phone; 0 and auto will be fine 99% of the time and the other 1% is for the people who would check that anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Restore to Default is there as a quick way to remove all the settings you've made and return to things-as-they-normally-are. Bearing in mind that your settings remain persistent even if you switch off the phone, and are only returned to default if you switch away from the camera app, it makes sense to me for Microsoft to include a quick way to scrub all those scene/metering/effects changes you may have made during a shooting session.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PCDOCLEE:
IMHO the delay is getting dumber by the day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
It's a bug. They forgot about it and now pretend it's a feature.

Every shooting device on the planet has the settings saved. It's is NORMAL.

For me constant removing automatic settings is annoying stupidity.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
And for me it's a great feature. Remembering settings on my crappy point-and-shoot is annoying. My DSLR is a different story.

This has to be an option I guess. I can certainly see the point in arguing that it should save settings, but would love to have it the way it is on my phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
They were reporting on a tweet by Chris Walsh.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
A missing feature is not a bug.

It may be a very important feature to you that is missing. But it's not a bug.
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
I thought everyone on this forum would be the type of person who paid attention.. It's always been known that the OEMs got to differentiate by controlling the camera features (within limits, eg. not the UI). The anti-shake, etc come from Samsung.

I don't think it's a bug that the camera uses default settings for every new session. I do think we should have the ability to choose our defaults. The lack of that feature however is not technically a bug.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
So how come LG also has it? You're still missing the point though, there is nothing saying that Samsung (or LG) has written the camera app used on their devices. There is more pointing towards it being a native MS app, possibly using a plug-in architecture in which case settings are still controlled by the app itself - i.e. Microsoft code.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
So now we know that the first update is coming early March.

IMO it's very very late. It's like a half a year after launch.

To be honest future doesn't look bright at all. With this time frame the next serious update will be here around the end of the year.

Very slooooow and disappointing. I start to think maybe MS will never make it really good, full OS. With this "amazing" tempo I see nothing interesting.
[Windows Phone 7 General] stylopath:
Why do you know that? Where did you get this information?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
WMPoweruser.

MS releases developer tools and there is a clear date there.

They release NOW the tools including upgraded features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
No there is not a clear date there, your English skills are just playing up again.

That said, you are most likely correct, but that has been known for a while now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nucentury08:
So glad I went from wm nt 5 6 6.1 6.5 to Android 2.2 2.3 Ms I gave you 10 years of service and you upset me with wp7 Shame loving my Android devices and all 250k plus apps dualcore here we come bio metric gyroscope the works even htc dropped you guys and they started you guys off
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
A. HTC has been and is building WP7 devices and they certainly didn't start windows off, windows may have given them their start.

B. Dual-core and all it still wont be as smooth an experience. If you enjoy modding that much have fun. If you want an OS that actually works, well, see you soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mickfarr:
You'll be back!
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I have no problem with English, at least with reading simple sentences.

It clearly states end Feb - beginning March.

So it will be beginning of March 99%. So there goes the date. Clear?

Very late. And it was not known before as the fact. People were waiting in January for this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
They link to PPCGeeks, and if you follow the link you'll see that they clearly state that it's their guess.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Of course but if they release these tools RIGHT now so it is very easy to estimate.