yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] MaW_PNT:
Okay. First you bash him because he can't write what you want to read in here, then you bash him because he doesn't spam to get forum rights? Doh.

I'm afraid that you're completely wrong in this case. At least about few days break leading to project abandonment. About that confidence thing.. are you really even serious? PNT project team has volunteered(yes I know that we are partially responsible for original project's cancellation - but it only proved that the server that was used just can't handle such project) to run the project and all they get (I don't say 'we' because I'm not working on the project) is bashing from whiners. Of course as I mentioned above I don't say everything was done perfectly, as you all keep noticing the contact with actual developer is rather bad, but I already explained twice in this very topic why is that so.

I still think that a little break to give devs time to be able to make everything clear to you, but I'm afraid it's unlikely since it appears there are people that are above all this complaining and just want to push us towards the goal.

Cheers,

MaW

edit:

Well, okay.. first you complain about lack of contact with us and now you don't want any.. you've got it! (unless someone else still wants it)
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] MaW_PNT:
Well if you insist to continue this "dialogue" then actually yes! I'm sure the situation regarding the "broken worker theory" will be clarified as soon as the developer has time to write something about it.

Cheers,

MaW
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] evolucja:
I'm not going to quote your, MaW_PNT, messages and respond them.. If I do we will continue such useless discussion for a long time wasting with it our time and time of potential readers.

Do you know what's the worst in this whole situation? That we: two mans from the same country, with one nationality are talking in different language on international forum about things we should discuss within ourselves..
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] DannyDroid:
I don't see why you are all fighting.

If you're pissed the code hasn't been released, don't join.

If you're think the code is wrong, don't join.

If you don't want to take part, don't.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] DannyDroid:
Feel free to start your own project, at least PNT are doing something. More then what could be said for half of the "haters" in this thread.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] s0d:
On project site is news:
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] jackeh070:
Is it really about 'win for us' for you? If you really don't want to contribute in this project, get the source code of previous one, set up your own server and get people to join. That would be doing something.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] The Solutor:
Please keep the lessons on how to contribute to the community away.

Personally my contribution to the community was started at the time of TI99/4A (in 1982), and is still here with things that are fitting my skills.

And every solution, suggestion, sw, custom rom, driver I made were offered for free, were fully explained, were fully opened to the contribution.

Now I don't want to hide myself under a rock just because I'm not skilled on symmetrical cryptography.

So I can't see anything wrong on criticizing something that doesn't smells good.

This is mainly a discussion forum, remember ?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] DannyDroid:
What on earth are you talking about?

I have yet to read from the original creater about any type of foul play. His home server fell under the weight of the project (it was a Atom on a home connection). #

"DDoSing" his server due to a fast worker with a fast turn around - a worker you where fine using - is hardly taking down the site (this wasn't the only technical issue with the site, but the one that broke the servers back).

If it worried the original creator and he wanted to carry on by himself he could have just banned the IPs or do the grown up with and get in contact with PNT to stop.

Take off your tinfail hat, and stop being such a.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] MaW_PNT:
I can't see anything wrong about it either. Furthermore, I'm encouraging you to criticize what you feel isn't right, after all pointing out problems is the first step of having them solved.

But.. yes, there's always a 'but'. If you keep repeating same thing over and over again despite knowing that the recipents have already received the 'message' numerous times and that resolving the situation is just a matter of time (I've already explained roughly why is that and I'm not going to repeat it again).. I won't say it will have opposite effect, but it will have none at all.

If you have doubts about worker being correct or not it's pefectly fine to not download new tasks until you get this desired explaination. Noone is forcing you to do anything, the project exists to help Milestone users, not PNT who don't have any profits from hosting it.

@evolucja

You know what... I completely agree with you! But it's you who brought it here, not me. We could aswell talk it on the polish android site or IRC - pnt's channel is not the only one out there. So don't blame me about it.

From now I'll just gently ignore MuF's posts =)). He began with insults, then most of his posts were filled with slanders about us. It speaks for itself.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] The Solutor:
I agree.

I repeated my point just because some new users have asked.

Do you thing that silently wait is fine ?

I had my doubts and I exposed them, who doesn't agree with me is still free to run the worker, but at least the newcomers are advised to keep their eyes open.

That's all
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] s0d:
silent... :/
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] i2gh0st:
Oky 2 problems.

1 bootloder is signed .. key is imprinted in the hardwere

2 kernel is signed where is the key from witch the bootloder chechs the kernel? Because if it's in the bootloder and bootloder will be updated again let's say with another key in the final moto update, this all is for nothing because we can't downgrade the bootloder without bricking the device.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] cicciobellomo:
Ciao

I have a TI99/4A still up and running, and I also started to use it in 1981.

I fully subscribe your point.

Ciao
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] The Solutor:
Unfortunately I killed my Ti99 long time ago, but it has still a special place in my heart.

Nice to see that someone has it still live and kicking :)

Sorry to the other users for this little OT
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] i2gh0st:
Nice to see what this topic has become.

Mod please move to general as this is useless talk.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] amossam:
Joined! My Phenom is at yours disposal! :D

One question: why did I get 97 or more WU?? I see that it only takes 6 minutes to crunch one WU, so wouldn't be better if WU are 100 times bigger/longer??

Sent from my Milestone
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] ciberbastard:
I'll join in few days! thx for this project!
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] johnhack:
Doesn't work

Update: Nevermind, works now... My eeePC has joined the fight (better then notthing...)

I can't help because i always get this error message:

AndrOINC	Message from server: Milestone _("is not available for") Linux running on an Intel x86-compatible CPU.

Any suggestions?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] djefkbefke:
How about voting this topic to xda homepage? We're gonna need every GigaFLOP we can get ;)
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] evolucja:
We were investigating at it but we came to the conclusion that first we have to successfully break the Milestone. Every key more would slow down the process x2. The second thing is that nobody have checked keys used in other Motorola models. Someone said that XT720 is using the same key as Milestone. Sadly, we can't confirm it.

MilestoneRSA was overloaded and had to be suspended. AndrOINC is a completly new project using optimized algorithm and powerfull server. We're not using results from previous project.

For sure we won't release worker source code. This is intellectual property created by Sesef made using his mathematic knowledge and experience. He doesn't want to public it. Optimalization has been explained some time ago: http://boinc.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=122&t=209.

As I know it works only for software based authorization. Sadly, Milestone has a hardware bootloader.

Not yet. GPU client for both(ATI and nVidia) should be released in few weeks.

We're considering increasing work unit size.

We're doing our best to release Linux worker. It'll be done propably today evening.

It would be great if we get on XDA main page.

Don't stay just on joining the project.

Please post information about this project at your local mobile&technology&Android forums.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] kawaisaki:
Will join tonight, hope this project will succeed !
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] marTi_PL:
nice to hear, but - how do you protect the results? It seams that:

$ host AndrOINC.net
AndrOINC.net has address 89.73.47.41
$ host 89.73.47.41
41.47.73.89.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 89-73-47-41.dynamic.chello.pl.

it's a cheap dynamic internet connection - are you sure it will be ok if the project will grow up to the size MilestoneRSA? We have to be sure that we aren't wasting our cpu power.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] DannyDroid:
Not a problem.

I'm not sure on if other Motorola phones share the same key, it's unlikely though possible. I don't believe anyone has dumped the public keys from other devices yet, if you did, and they are the same as the Milestones then they may share the same key (I think).
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] DannyDroid:
This isn't possible on the Milestone for reasons I do not understand :P .
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] be0ne:
Break my RSA key, I'll tell you who you are

I can understand that but could you, at least, provide an objective information that permit to confirm you're not a Moto (or paid Moto-related) team that want to sabotage the bootloader breaking thing ? Not that I particularly like conspiracy theories but, you know how things are with Moto these past few months. It's a little bit complicated...

And please, don't get me wrong, I'm participating and supporting this projet. I just want to check who I'm making team with.

Thanks :D
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] duchu:
what about mac osx support ?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] evolucja:
Internet connection is not a problem. Files to transfer(work units) are really small.

I think three words would be an enought answer: Polish National Team.

Not planned yet.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] mystichobo:
Would be interesting to contact the guy who did it though. I'll chuck him an email tomorrow :)
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] jackeh070:
First of all, good to see that we can start working on it again.

However, I have noticed something strange: on the same hardware it took my cpu 6 minutes to deal with 1 WU yesterday, today it's around 12 minutes. I took a look at other computers, they keep getting the same time per WU as earlier. Any idea on it?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] aditya_t90:
Please dont forget PS3 support. I know a few people that wont mind using their ps3's idle time.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] stadros83:
I would be pleased to use my PS3 for that ;).
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] Flokey:
I'm already on board. :D
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] The Solutor:
Thanks for the reply, I have just the milestone so I can't help with other models.

No offense, but I think that fighting for an open bootloader with a closed worker is just a nonsense.

Is something like saying "I'm a pacifist, and I'll kill who doesn't agree with me"
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] lannister80:
OS X support please. My Octo Mac Pro would like to help out.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] MaW_PNT:
I'm sorry, but I can't really see this "nonsense" you mentioned. Putting too much ideology into such project is what I see as nonsense. Of course, locking hardware so the owners can't use it as they want to is bad etc. etc. but I see no connection at all between this and using a closed worker to actually solve the problem above.

Does releasing source code to stop one person(not speaking about you here of course) from spreading his nonsense in topics related to the project make any more sense? Especially that after reading his posts it just doesn't feel as if he's really interested in helping the cause at all, rather doing quite opposite.

I'm just stating my personal opinion above as I'm not involved in development of the project =p
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] be0ne:
Fair enough, the history of your team speaks for you. Thanks for having answerred :D
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] The Solutor:
A free bootloader is just for today and tomorrow, the idea of having an open world is forever.

Frankly I can live happily with the locked bootloader, but I cant say the same about the trend we are facing.

So I put ideology well before a stupid bootloader, feel free to call it a nonsense, I'm still feel free to not agree with you.

I'm speaking for myself. And I'm looking for the facts, the facts are that the polish guys said that they will share the source code after the start of the project, and now, whit the project started they changed their minds.

That's all.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] MaW_PNT:
Of course you can disagree. I also strongly agree with the first sentence from the quote above. But this project's primary objective is factorising the RSA key to unlock Milestone, nothing more, nothing less.

Well, the author had right to. Especially that back then they were(whoever it was) talking about modified pontomedon's code, and the current application is as I believe written from a scratch (I'm not 100% sure though) so author's not in any way obliged to release his own code, which is not necessary for anyone to know for the project to run. But who knows, maybe the author will change his mind eventually.

Also, could you send me a link to where the author or anyone actually involved in current project said the application will be open source? I don't intend to say he didn't but I just can't find it.

Cheers,

MaW
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] The Solutor:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10456124&postcount=260
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] ezteban:
For those waiting for the Linux worker:

Until the Linux worker is ready, you can use the older windows-BOINC-client (6.6.38) with wine. Download here: h**p://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

It's running fine at nice speed here.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] MaW_PNT:
I understand what do you you mean, but he didn't actually say there anything about releasing the source code but releasing the optimized application for everyone involved in the project what DID happen the moment AndrOINC project was started.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] The Solutor:
Whatever he mean, I find this way is absolutely contrary, to the spirit of the open source, to the spirit of this forum, to the spirit of the pure research, and so on.

I also think that if the client does what they have explained (the algorithm is public, at least this is what they say) keeping just the code closed is pointless.

I'm not a programmer but I think that if you find a better algorithm to do something and you share it, the program that use that algorithm shouldn't have almost nothing to protect or to hide, so why share a smart algorithm and not the dumb program that use it?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] leisures:
Joined on my alienware m15x (i7 820)
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] naresh9876:
guys according to the recent server stats. we just defeated the

we just reached reached 1,341 gigaflops = 1.341 teraflops.

keep it goin!! at this phase, i guess gingerbread is not along way to go eh?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] pontomedon:
From what i can tell (format of the input/output files, format of the checkpoint file, output in stderr.txt), this worker contains a lot of my intellectual property, which was released under GPLv2, which forces you to release the sources. edit: hell, even the preconfigured worker you're offering in the OP is done exactly the way i did it.

You're lucky i don't care much about this intellectual property and i won't force you to release the source. But stop calling it your intellectual property - you refined the algorithm and made it faster, but you're still using my codebase.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] CommanderThor:
Just to put things in respective:)

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/06/kaspersky_labs.html

I gues we need petaFLOPS:)
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] jackeh070:
Promote the project wherever you can, guys. All the twitters, forums, tech-related websites and so on. It needs more power!
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] zankyw:
Wouldn't be better to wait a little bit to announce this publicly until the workers for other platforms and GPU are ready?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] naresh9876:
i can bet all that the community wants is a free bootloader. is it that hard to ask?

please settle down, for the PNT i guess its much better to release ur worker codes when u think its time to release it(not so long tough) and for the others who oppose on running the worker unit please cool down, PNT is a trustable group. they are one of the leading BOINC teams. why the wanna hack or use our system as a zombie?

we are a community here with one aim, to free the bootloader, please cool down and settle down ur problems in a nice way. i beg u guys. :o:(:o:(:o:(

united we stand, divided we fall!!

lets show motorola wat the community is made up of!!!!
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] Dick Johnson:
Waiting for linux support
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] KryPTiCk0d3:
^-------- What he said, and especially after that dipsh!t comment made by the Motorola PR Tard.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] i2gh0st:
+1 i'll join tonight, again :-)
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] naresh9876:
MOTOROLA SAID THIS TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY:

what that makes u guys feel like???

PISSED?!?!?!

well i am, they disrespect us(their user)!!
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] zewelor:
code.google.com/p/milestone-rsa/issues/detail?id=3 here is code for sesefs optimalizations
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] The Solutor:
The community is called community because everyone cooperates, and often if not always the method is more important than the result.

Come on, the right time to publish the code is a moment before the server is turned on.

Here noone has qualified himself as a rep of PNT, all we can see is that to every question we have back an answer from a different polish guy.

I suppose you are not borg, so why the code author not speak for himself, writing down a couple of messages here, letting a different polish to speak for him ?

You (i mean the PNT) are simply following a very strange way to help the community, so don't blame the other users if they are perplexed.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] DannyDroid:
Feel free to post on their forum here;

http://androinc.net/forum_index.php

Not only will it increase your chances of getting a response but other users such as myself wont have to troll through two pages of "rage" looking for important information.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] The Solutor:
I guess you can find such important information on the place you are suggesting, or that place is good for others but not for you ?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] DannyDroid:
You seem intent of being awkward and difficult so I'm not even going to bother.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] amossam:
I saw that x64 worker version is release! Do I need to do anything to switch to it from x32 or it will client do it automatically??

Thx

P.S. in 12 hours (or so) I collected 14k credits?!!! o_O :D

Sent from my Milestone
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] etoy:
i'm in,fingers crossed :)
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] alncool:
Same question here ... Maybe a soft restart?

How to check the running program ? Could not find the information on my account ...

Edit: by the way, is it possible to have an overall progress of the project ?

I know that we have just started the project and computing results are closed to 0% done right now but if we get some percent after a month-use it would be encouraging!
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] KryPTiCk0d3:
Reset your project, it will download the new worker... update first tho, so it sends all your completed work.

Wow... the 64 bit Linux worker is slow... hopefully that gets fixed, it's making my windoze boxes look good, that ain't right :D

EDIT: apparently the linux client gets more credits... nm
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] kabaldan:
Just a side note, another perspective...

What divides us from gingerbread at this point is not the signed boot.img => kernel at all, but the closed source (and very complicated - partly BP, partly AP), Milestone ril/modem implementation.

If Motorola will deliver a decent 2.6.32 kernel build in the end, and the (userspace!) issues of the gkisystem (AP side of the modem) running under 2.3 bionic/system will be solved, then very nice running gingerbread will be available for Milestone in no time. But surely, those are big ifs...

That being said, a custom kernel is of course very desirable ;). But it's clearly not all what it takes...
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] ken0150:
i'm in!

Count me in with my laptop and my desktop computers!!!
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] naresh9876:
i bet if we have cracked this RSA key you would be glad to show us all the goodies u have bcak there(i meant all the custom kernels).

current GigaFLOPs = 2,515. another 55 gigaflops and we just made the the top500 supercomputer look like a thing in the past(the current leader stands at 2570 gigaflops)
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] pac213:
This is some form of good news I think.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/

Moto will be unlocking the bootloader? We ALL certainly hope so.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] DannyDroid:
This has been posted in the other BIONIC thread.

That press release says nothing about unlocking the bootloader, only helping the devs which could mean anything!
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] No47:
Seconded! Being able to see some actual progress would greatly benefit (my) morale - not that I would stop computing in any case :D

Edit: Yes I know, we could keep on computing for centuries - but I'm kinda stats-slut. Even 10^-6 % progress would do the trick for me.

Once GPU support is out there should be a significant bump - this is potential yet untapped...
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] lew487:
it's 2791 Gigaflops= 2,791 TERAflops
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] Carter123:
Have dumped the Milestone already in favor of the Desire HD but signed in here!

Come on team Germany! :-)
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] Lesiroth:
New project sounds good, but realistically speaking, is our goal reachable? and in what timeframe?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] naresh9876:
nutin is impossible to reach mate, we got nutin to lose in trying to crack this bootloader. the timeframe depends on how much processing power is dedicated to the project. the more processing power, the shorter time frame. we are nearly reachin 3000 gigaflops = 3 teraflops.

just join in the project and keep ur hopes up high by imagining custom kernel and roms running on ur milestone.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] DannyDroid:
Anything from now till the world freezes over.

All depends on luck :P .
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] naresh9876:
we have passed 3028 gigaflops = 3.028 teraflops. keep on going peepz!!!