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[Droid Incredible General] khanam:
I am 42 yrs so for me a bigger screen without the cumbersome height of a droid x is worth considering. New sense is truly awesome too (now that I have played on the Z/HD ports) and the extra features are welcome. However, currently the Incredible is a truly open platform to us and we have no idea what HTC will do or be forced to do on the thunderbolt's bootloader. What if they go the motorola way?

As you can see from my sig I am a rom slut/whore/whatever is the male equivalent. I worry that HTC will make it harder for us to root the thunderbolt and that alone will be enough for me to rule out that phone. So I will seriously consider it only if I find out that it can be nand unlocked. Until then, no point switching from the inc to a phone that cant be modded and to be locked down into whatever the carrier allows me to do. That would be a bad trade. Plus LTE towers will only slowly be percolating across the country. I do not believe LTE will be widely available everywhere we are immediately. Why not wait a bit before paying for LTE service? Believe me, it will cost you more.

I also did not like the small battery. What if the energy utilization efficiencies are only marginal? That would not be good. The included 32gb micro sdhc card is worth some $ but think about this - why did they think they had to throw a free 32gb card in?

Another thing that concerns me is that while this phone might have better specs than the inc, it is not dual core (seems six months on every phone will be dual core) so is this a significant upgrade to the inc? I dont know. Early adopters may have a better toy only for a short period of time. The initial tech curve is always very steep.

My 2 cents
[Droid Incredible General] g00s3y:
Well my actual upgrade comes in May, so I plan on getting the thunderbolt, full price, and then selling it and suing my new phone discount to get whatever dual-core phone HTC comes out with by then (they sure as hell better).

But on the subject of the bootloader, Motorola released a statement about the whole bootloader fiasco ( http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/ )

I don't think HTC will lock down the bootloader on the Thunderbolt either. Heck even Microsoft is working with the guys who rooted the WP7. It seems the big guys are finally starting to realize that pissing off developers and "trying" to make it harder to root a device really doesn't do anything in the end. So why not help your customers and make them happier.
[Droid Incredible General] dvdivx:
Considering how bad Verizon's signal is in Seattle I'm not holding hope out for this. If Sprint gets an EVO 2 I might switch. Network is better outside of Western Washington but that's where I live.
[Droid Incredible General] titans808:
After playing with my friends evo, I dont really want a thunderbolt anymore. Those phones are pretty big/heavy.
[Droid Incredible General] spiritcrusher33:
my question. is why the normal user would even need voice and data at the same time?

I mean i can think of a few occasions one might need it. but the average user I would think not..lol anyway. i think all the 4.3 inch androids are too big anyway.. to me anything beyond 4 inches is too much. thats why I love the DINC.. perfect size. even with the extended battery still not as heavy or bulky as my previous phones.. ( htc hero with the 3500 mAH bat, or even the tp2 and tp.. those where hella heavy and bulky with ext batts..
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
Just to clarify, it's now been leaked via VZW's internal training slides that the Thunderbolt will do SVDO... no 4G needed.
[Droid Incredible General] laxer3n7:
I've never understood the point of 4.3" screens. My dad has an X and I would choose the incredible again in a heartbeat. I've never once regretted my purchase and I won't be getting another phone for probs another year.

The Thunderbolt does look pretty nice though, mainly because of the simultaneous voice/data streams. Other than that, nothing too much.
[Droid Incredible General] snellc001:
What is diferent in the Thunderbolt that will allow simultaneous voice/data over 3G?
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
The new Qualcomm MSM allows for SVDO.
[Droid Incredible General] gtdrew:
The only time I wish I had this feature is while dl'ing a large file such as a rom or while wirelessly tethering. You can't talk on the phone and browse on your laptop at the same time. It will be a while before we see 4g where I live though. Although Verizon's network infrastructure should be much easier to upgrade than others with more towers.
[Droid Incredible General] Keyboards:
That's because it's a Motorola. Find an Evo and you won't be disappointed. HTC makes the complete smartphone that is way beyond anything motorola or samsung has put out in my opinion.
[Droid Incredible General] wpbear:
Will 4G be required for voice and data at same time? If so this is not worth the price or the extra weight to carry around. Even if 4G comes to your area; a nationwide rollout is not around the corner so buying a Thunderbolt at release is a waste of money. Now if they get 3G voice and data same time then this is a game changer.
[Droid Incredible General] Erickomen27:
Yes. 3G Voice And Data At The Same Time Is Confirmed :)
[Droid Incredible General] Gahh Its Lee:
Im hoping alot of new phones come out with this. I tether ALOT and really thats something i need.
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
Pretty much anything that uses the new Qualcomm MSMs will.
[Droid Incredible General] Gahh Its Lee:
You sir just made my day.
[Droid Incredible General] wpbear:
Anyone know if or when there will be Global version of the Thunderbolt?

Sent from Droid Incredible using TapaTalk
[Droid Incredible General] g00s3y:
I think in some parts of Uzbekistan they do, so yes technically it is. :p

But in all honesty, I doubt there will be a global 4G phone at the moment for Verizon, give it about 6-7 months and A global Droid will probably come out by then.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] allheilkingmatt:
Just tried to root my phone following some instructions I found on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/mypd1991#p/a/u/1/cFwy0LXOw2c

At first I got "file type invalid" for the .md5 files I downloaded in the info panel in youtube. I finally found one that works, and I keep getting

<ID:0/003> Odin v.3 engine (ID:3)..

<ID:0/003> File analysis..

<ID:0/003> SetupConnection..

<ID:0/003> Initialzation..

<ID:0/003> Get PIT for mapping..

<ID:0/003> Firmware update start..

<ID:0/003> param.lfs

<ID:0/003> Complete(Write) operation failed.

<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)

I've tried everything I can find from updating my phone drivers to the specific windows 64 bit version, to following the root and recovery/odin stock flashing instructions here http://xdaforums.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SPH-D700.

I've downloaded various versions of Odin, as well as several different .md5 files and still it's failed.

I've tried all of this with the SD card in, and with it out.

When I try to boot my phone up, I keep getting what's been called the "soft brick" screen http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/...80 Shots/My Samsung Vibrant/vibrant_brick.jpg

Sometimes, and I don't know what I do different, it will acutally turn on like I held down the 3 buttons to reboot the phone, but when I select that option, or any other, it goes back to the soft brick screen.

Five hours later, I'm still surprised my phone is in once piece. It's a bit frustrating. Anyone have anything else I can try? Thanks in advance!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raylusk:
Some people have success when trying a different and better quality usb cable. The one that comes with the phone isn't that great.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] allheilkingmatt:
Tried it on the comp at work, using a different cable. Worked like a charm. Thanks!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raylusk:
Great news. Glad you got it fixed.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crazzysandman:
So I'm looking for the stock ruu 3.70 non rooted, the ota update, but the one you have to run on your computer
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _MetalHead_:
Here's all of them

I'm pretty sure that site belongs to drmacinyasha so you can thank him for it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drmacinyasha:
Ah, beat me to it, with my own site no less! :D
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crazzysandman:
thanks you so much, no one could freaking give me the ruu i want to root my evo but i want this just incase anything goes wrong with my phone lol, well this is the only method ive done the restore with, and the easiest.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crazzysandman:
so would it be safe to flash this?? i dont want to do it and then BOOM bricked evo :'( lol
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] RaduG:
Hi guys, I've just got a Milestone, and I think that I should 'port' the TastyFroyo ROM that I already released for the Hero and make it available for the milestone. But I do have two questions:

1. I know we have leaked 2.6.32 kernels for froyo, but I really don't like the battery life that they provide. AFAIK we have the 2.6.29 kernel sources for our device. Do CM6 based ROMs work properly with the 2.6.29 kernel? We've got all hardware working on our Heros without any substantial modifications, using the 2.6.29 kernel.

2. Can someone point me to a functional vendor tree for Milestone?

Thanks,

Radu ;)
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] kabaldan:
see http://android.doshaska.net/cm6build

the first 0.01/0.02 versions of CM6 for Milestone were based on 2.6.29 kernel and 2.1 proprietary libs (as at that time, Motorola haven't started the work on froyo yet, 2.1 was all that was available).

My repos are of course currently based on use of the 2.2 proprietary leaked libs & executables/2.6.32 kernel.

https://github.com/nadlabak

Please note that on Milestone, there are more proprietary closed source files in use than on Hero, and the biggest issue is the very complicated ril implementation, as the ril functions are partly realized in BP and partly in AP (gkisystem etc). The main issue of the 0.01/0.02 CM6 for MM based on 2.6.29 kernel were occasional BP panics...
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] RaduG:
Thanks for your answer.

This is pretty unfortunate, as the leaked 2.2 and CM6 based ROMs work decent performance-wise, but the battery life is awful. Are the guys from Motorola supposed to release an official 2.2 update soon? Because that means that the kernel sources will have to be released too, making our life easier.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] DannyDroid:
Dunno.

Meant to be released end of 2010.

Still waiting.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=920177
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] friz:
I think battery life of last CM mod is good almost like the official 2.1
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TheOnly1:
Last night I decided to switch off my HD2 to save some battery. What a critical mistake. In the morning the phone would't boot anymore. My wild guess is that you can't actually turn off your HD2, if you are on WP7.

I managed to find a workaround as I don't have a charging station at hand. That's how it works:

- Leave the phone off and connect it to your PC. Have a Win 6.5 CUSTOM ROM at hand. You will need a custom ROM because stock won't flash if your battery is less than 50%!

- With your phone connected switch in on while holding down "Vol Down". This way I was able go get to HSPL and stay there. It seems that if you enter HSPL with the phone connected to the PC it gets some power from there. If not connected to the PC my HD2 would immediately shut down!

- Flash your Win 6.5 ROM and charge fully.

- Go back to WP7, Android or whatever your heart desires :)
[Epic 4G General] XtaC318:
http://tinyurl.com/4932utj
[Epic 4G General] nimaim:
They can "speak out" all they want, but until they deliver, I'm not buying anything they say. As someone in the comments wrote, "talk is cheap". I honestly don't think ANY carrier / manufacturer is this bad with an update.
[Epic 4G General] flash_c4:
This article is why I love Engadget and all of the posts. It can become quite entertaining at times and that thread is very heated. People are beyond pissed off and all Samsung can still say is "soon"? WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT SAMSUNG! They should change the phone name to "The Daikatana 4G."

Let's see if anyone is old enough to get that reference.
[Epic 4G General] ED2O9:
Samsung's about to make you it's b!tch! :D
[Epic 4G General] AndrewZorn:
Daikatana was actually released, you should use DNF as a reference instead.

EDIT how I wish Google did all the software work, the manufacturer just did hardware (and sometimes drivers), and the carrier just provided the service. It'd be like a real computer, and it would work.
[Epic 4G General] OregonLAN:
Yeah, until we see an official ROM release from Samsung, their statement is nothing more than damage control for bad publicity. Their Twitter "support" was being bombarded with messages last night; it drew much attention from other tech sites. Samsung's next step is to come up with with an official (vague) excuse for the delay and then hope it tides the community over...
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
It's been half a year, promises are pretty shallow at this point.
[Epic 4G General] imwillzillla:
So Samsung says "The Reports aren't true." Way to go with some serious insight. I bet their next response will be when someone calls them frauds they'll say "I know you are but what am I?"
[Epic 4G General] murso74:
"You're a phoney! Hey,this guys a great big phoney!" -HC
[Epic 4G General] DangerZone1223:
My response to Samsung:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=angi1vwUkQc

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOVXh4xM-Ww#t=2m (Substitute Samsung when he says the Fed)
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
LOLLLL
[Epic 4G General] fuji6:
Folks keep in mind this was pretty much a direct response to the accusations that they're charging for upgrades. I'm not saying I believe the response or that they haven't been awful at providing an update or adequate communication.

What I'm saying is you clearly have to make accusations to get a response (true or not). :P
[Epic 4G General] jocala:
I'd like source code with my driver modules please :)
[Epic 4G General] sweepingzero:
then windows might try and take over our phones!! noooooo
[Epic 4G General] bnguyen1983:
Screw samsung. As much as I love my Epic 4G's hardware, all their support and the community is much smaller. I probably will never buy Samsung again. I might even sell it and eat the ETF once the new androids/windows come out with dual cores.
[Epic 4G General] Daddy43205:
lol they said soon......samsung should just stop selling phones.
[Epic 4G General] supercluver:
http://twitter.com/#!/sprint/status/28185122356338688

http://twitter.com/#!/sprint/status/28185273577775104
[Epic 4G General] flash_c4:
The problem is when Samsung and Sprint say ASAP it really just means "Another Sorry A$$ Promise."

I'm sorry everyone. I am the reason why we don't have Froyo yet. Let me explain. Every other smart phone I have ever had in the past 5 years on Sprint was an HTC phone. I went through 3 or 4 Moguls, 2 Touch Pros, and 3 Touch Pro 2s. I thought that since I had so any issues with HTC hardware I would try a different manufacturer so I got the Epic. Well.... It looks like the black cloud has followed me! Anyone want to pony up and buy me an iPhone? LOL :rolleyes: I'd love to take this black cloud over there! :p
[Epic 4G General] DiGi760:
Well it is nice to hear Samsung open up and say something, but I sure am getting tired of getting the "details will come soon" BS from both Samsung and Sprint. We've been hearing "details will come soon" for more than 4 months. Perhaps we have different definitions of the word "soon."
[Epic 4G General] phdeez:
I think with another other carrier releasing the 2.2 update for a SGS phone, it will put pressure on other carriers to follow. No longer can they say it's someone else's fault.

But honestly, I bet we'll see noobnl release an operational version of Gingerbread before we see Sprint push 2.2 out.
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
How about Black Mesa? lol
[Epic 4G General] themirthfulswami:
Even if we do wind up getting the official froyo soon i will definitely not be buying a Samsung phone again. I just can't get behind a company that's so lax in the support department. Love the Epic hardware to be sure, but the lesson has been learned.

posted from my nook color using the official xda app
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
If what t-moblie said is true and the carriers got the code from Samsung back in Nov. Why are you mad at Samgung when its the carriers that is holding up the update.
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
How did Sprint get Froyo to Evo so fast?
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
I don't know maybe the EVO is easier to program and is less complicated.
[Epic 4G General] AproSamurai:
Because HTC is quick on making the next update to their device before they release it. Samsung more or less thought that, the Epic would hold the imaginations of users for a month or two and then they could release, but instead they just held it for as long as they could probably tried to add in something that made their Froyo better than the rest, and it probably didn't work. I have a feeling all of them did add incentive to get their Galaxy phone for it's Froyo build.
[Epic 4G General] APOLAUF:
Evo got 2.2. Epic is getting 2.2.1. Samsung had to start over because of security issues with 2.2.
[Epic 4G General] Mook1e:
How does that answer anything? Your conclusions are not just completely baseless, they also make no sense whatsoever. We now know from both Samsung AND T-mobile that Samsung provided froyo to all of the carriers in November. Where do you jump from those two factual statements to your assumptions about "what Samsung thought" and then "instead they did the opposite"?

We all don't know jack except what they tell us. That is their fault, yes, but all of the assumptions flying left and right with no basis on reality are our fault.
[Epic 4G General] bryanfritz1:
I think its fair to say from a consumers standpoint we are being jerked around with froyo. My biggest complaint is sprints development team, noobnl is a student and by my observations seems to be ready to go with a bunch of development as soon as he gets source code. Maybe I'm wrong but these guys at sprint should be able to do what, at least two test builds a day if not more per person on staff. not taken for granted that's for all phones on sprint but still I don't think the total dev team at sprint is less than 50 people. Maybe they have more responsibilities than I'm aware of, also why do people who do this stuff for a living not contribute here on xda more? I'm a computer tech and I try and follow and contribute on topics I'm involved with everyday to help with it as a hobby as well. Just curious, maybe it has to do with contracts but at some point its like, just give the community the code and as somone who does this for a living I would think you would want to say f it and drop the code. If this makes sense then, sweet! If not sorry you had to read my rant.

sent from "the other woman"
[Epic 4G General] tsperez:
+1 for sure! I came from two HTC phones and before that Motorola. And to think that this is one of their top phones... support sucks.

tsp
[Epic 4G General] AproSamurai:
I had never said it was an answer to a single thing nor did I come off as being high and mighty about my OPINION. Jesus it's as if all the people with pent up rage come up on XDA to ***** about a single post out of a thread they probably didn't even read. Just as everything that has been said is of word of mouth about Froyo.s release what do we really know? Hmmm, in all truth what do we know? We have Sprint commenting about Samsung and saying this and Samsung saying something else about Sprint passing the blame back and forth, they've been saying this since the Samsung Moment and the HTC Hero were their premier devices. I apologize for being used to two companies that drop the ball and play the blame game whenever they have the chance to divert attention from themselves. It's ironic that new people could get anything accomplished with people such as yourself just waiting to try to prove some worth to the site by attacking everyone who states their opinion. Good day to you fine sir.
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
EA16 is the latest build,and just because the playbook dosnt show an update for next week dosnt mean we won't see it... Source says before 1/31/2011
[Epic 4G General] daddymikey1975:
Thanks but be careful man..

Thanks for this, but be careful about sharing dates. Sometimes we get the rug pulled out from under us (and we know it's not your fault) but it could cause future credibility issues LOL :)

I kinda like updates from the inside and take them light heartedly, but others.. well some can't seem to keep their panties from bunching up if things don't work out as expected :)
[Epic 4G General] Mook1e:
You don't have to SAY anything. When you post your opinion directly after a question, and it's an answer to the question, you are answering the question??? I'm not attacking anything. I'm pointing out that further confusion from continued fud isn't helping or answering anything and it should be reduced. With that, I accept your appology. I can understand your frustration. What I can't accept is your attempt at again jumping to a conclusion that I am in any way full of rage or trying to prove something. I'm quite calm, and also in no way new to XDA. I've been lurking since I had my first smartphone, a Benq P50 back in 04 or 05.
[Epic 4G General] kezzerxir:
Your upgrade path was eactly the same as mine, lol.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] FatTrousers:
Easier solution, turn off, pull battery, replace. Simple. I found too that it didn't switch off properly (leave a usb cable plugged in & turn off) it just hangs on "Goodbye". Pulling the battery kills wp7, unless when you said "turned off my phone" you actually meant "turned off the screen" Obviously if you leave your phone in sleep overnight its gonna shed battery.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] technoguyy:
Will updating or debranding or modding xperia x10 unlock the phone, it was locked to Rogers Canada but I unlocked it recently with an unlock code? It is running 1.6, any advantage of debranding or updating to 2.1 is enough for now. Thanks
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
No, the only way to unlock the phone is through an unlock code. debranding simply takes the branded bootscreen off, and allows you to have generic firmware, so that when ota uodates roll out, you don't have restrictions imposed on them by your carrier (or the carrier the firmware was through rather).
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] technoguyy:
sorry, i meant will it lock the phone. i have already unlocked it using code
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SXUsr:
No. 10chars
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] batman_112:
No, see original thread here.
[Galaxy Tab General] fechina:
What is the quickest way to root the Sprint galaxy tab?
[Galaxy Tab General] viven:
Use z4root
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sendress:
Im a mess: I dont have clock work or rom manager anymore I dont have access to the REAL app market (explain later), I cant access my phones storage via data chord anymore either.

I was attempting to unroot and go back-track to stock rom by way of bad advice. use the code in dial mode *2...something and over-looked the part of unrooting first.

Now I cant access the Real app market all i get is test market stuff (let me coin it, market limbo). My phone is pretty much stock but with super user ninja app icon. is there a fix so i can get back to the real app market and get access to phones storage via chord?

Im not really interested in unrooting now I just want access again, purgatory sucks. I was thinking... hoping, for an APK I could download or email myself to get around the the data chord problem. But any advice would help.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegreatcity:
Are you able to get into recovery or download mode?

EDIT: saw you can't get into recovery, but what about download mode?