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[Xoom General] slugbug2010:
I thought more about this last night and this morning. I had all sorts of justifcations in mind for why I would need (want :) ) the Xoom and I was willing to hold out for it. But the price is rediculous and simply NOT justifiable for some.

This price has really turned me off. I'm seriously thinking about just getting a Nook Color, rooting it, and calling that good. Honeycomb was my hope, Gingerbread will be fine for $250 thannkyouverymuch.

Although I may wait about February 15th so I can utilize the 14 day return policy just in case.....the Xoom price drops :p
[Xoom General] p-slim:
30 days here in Cali :)
[Xoom General] PuerkitoBio:
As I said, most people don't know what's Android, everybody knows what's an iPhone/iPad. They want that thing with the Apple, so yeah, it has to be cheaper than the iPad (well, than the iPad 2, obviously, the iPad 1 will drop in price when the new one comes out). I know the specs of the Xoom are crazy (but please don't compare that to a high end laptop) but just look at the reactions out there, no one's excited about the current price leaks.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
But everybody is excited about the product, and I don't know where you live but EVERYONE in California knows about android and iPhone
[Xoom General] PuerkitoBio:
I'm excited about the product too! Who wouldn't be, this is the best tablet so far. I understand that you'll buy it no matter the price, I won't unless it's cheaper, like many others. Not much to add... As for where I live, hint: look at the flag... Yep, some people in the great North don't know about Android. Crazy, eh?
[Xoom General] Badger2point0:
It is very possible to buy an extremely capable laptop now-a-days for between $500-$800. Yes the XOOM is impressive spec wise (for tablets) at the moment but a month after its release the iPad 2 will be here and suddenly Moto's offering won't exactly be "****ting" on anything anymore.

Also, I just want to be clear that I'm not saying the iPad is better than the XOOM or any other Android offering, I'm just trying to look at this from a general consumer's point of view.

This was completely unnecessary, no one is attacking you personally here. Also, a quick look through this thread would prove you wrong. Not to mention that most of the posts here bring up good points and are well written. We may have less posts than you but that doesn't mean much if you pride yourself on posting 'quality' comments such as this.
[Xoom General] robbiev80:
Who are we kidding? We're all buying this tablet. lol

I just hope we get it here in Canada for $700 and not some bull**** price of $749.99+ or whatever. Our dollar is par now.
[Xoom General] PuerkitoBio:
I'd sure like the WiFi only version, since by then I'll have the Atrix (coming to Bell), no need for 2 3G devices.
[Xoom General] robbiev80:
Agreed. I already have a Galaxy S. I can just tether my Xoom off of it.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Haha the internet police. Anyways I'm not talking about ipad 2. Ipad 1 is out and the 32gb cost 729, now the zoom has better specs and cost 699. Yes the xoom is ****ting on ipad 1 and costs less.
[Xoom General] Badger2point0:
LoL internet police...

I won't argue that it's better than the iPad 1 but what does that matter when the iPad 2 is just around the corner and will likely match if not beat the xoom for specs.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
I'm only arguing that the current price we think it is, isn't that bad that was my point, as for the ipad 2 it will probably match the xoom specs but I still prefer android over ios. Also no matter what the specs it still wont play flash content
[Xoom General] mikeyis009:
Have you used an Ipad?

There is NO reason to "Outspec" the Ipad. It works flawlessly. I'm an Android guy and will not pay more than a netbook price for a netbook without a keyboard. And no one else will either. I am typing this on my Dell Mini9 by the way that cost me $300. Tablets are gadgets and toys, not PC replacements. When i want to do some serious PC work I use my desktop with the quad core I5 chip. These are toys and toys don't cost $700.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Actually its a tablet and the highest end tablet. I'm pretty sure there are $300 or less tablets also. You're typing that on a low end netbook which is why its $300. Some Sony laptops cost $1800, so $700 highend tablet and $1800 high end laptop are not in the same price range. Also tablets and PC's will have completely different functions and uses. Same example I gave earlier, I work for Comcast and pretty soon our ipad and Google tablet app will allow you to walk around your house with your tablet as if its another monitor or television. That's not coming to laptops or desktops, that's just one example. With the 720p playback that feature will get used all the time in my house
[Xoom General] Badger2point0:
YESSSSS! It's only a matter of time now before I can sit on my couch while watching TV and watch another, smaller TV simultaneously. For a cool $700 the possibilities are endless.
[Xoom General] LordLugard:
Is there anything like a

"high end"

netbook?? A netbook is a netbook. If you paid 1800 for your Sony, kudos to you. I got a Samsung QX with a Core i5 and Optimus switching graphics for 699.99 during the holidays. Even an Asus G73, a 17.3" monster of a laptop with an i7 and 1GB Radeon 5870 (GDDR5) a friend of mine got for less than 1200. Even a HP dv series Phenom 930 Quadcore lappie i can get for 849-ish...
[Xoom General] p-slim:
You're missing the point man, I'm not comparing toys
[Xoom General] Homan13PSU:
I agree with most of what you're saying here. But this product will not be competing with the iPad, it will be competing with the iPad 2, which will be just about damn similar in specs. I guess the thing on the price that was getting me initially was that this is 32 gigs worth of storage from the get go. I wouldn't mind seeing Moto go the Apple route and offer a 16 gig version as well. For what I would be purchasing this for I don't know that I'd necessarially use all that storage. Plus, with Android's micro SD slots I can always add additional storage if I ever need it down the line.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Now this makes sense, offer a 16gb then of course you can charge less or a wifi only then I can fully understand a cheaper price but we will have to wait on that. Also the microsd slot on the xoom doesn't work yet, you will have to wait for the 4g update before you will be able to take advantage of the SD slot
[Xoom General] original00:
I think the concern is Motorola has to offer a $499 or lower version to compete with the ipad. Having only a higher specd version for more will not work in the long run. All this is speculation and we will find out in a few weeks. The good thing is there are many manufacturers shipping HC tablets like LG, Toshiba and Asus so there will be enough competition to keep the prices competitive
[Xoom General] ocdtrekkie:
I do specifically want the Xoom, but I think I'll have to wait for the wifi version anyhow. I don't want a data plan on it, since I'll have my phone for that, and $800 is going to be too steep when you consider I'm buying a Droid Bionic and a Nintendo 3DS in the next couple months as well.
[Xoom General] KUHawk:
What no one has mentioned is that this price COULD also come with the need for some type of data plan. Even Verizon's unsubsidized Galaxy Tab required at least one month of data. What we really need here is for Motorola to sell a wi-fi only unit, with no ties to any of the carriers, for something south of $500. I would think that would be the biggest sweet spot as most folks who would buy this type of gadget would have the product and know how to tether their phone to it when wi-fi is not available.

And $500 for the highest end tablet seems reasonable. At least to me.
[Xoom General] khov07:
I think that many here are missing what I believe will be a large target audience for the Xoom: the corporate customer.

More and more businesses are finding practical uses for tablets, especially for their mobile workforce. However, the iPad is frowned upon in many places because it requires iTunes and is designed for media consumption more than anything else, not to mention Apple's well-designed, very attractive, walled-garden.

Android tablets do not have those limitations, and I just read that Honeycomb will come with some functionality that will appease the security-minded, such as full encryption (though the exact protocol hasn't been specified) and IT-policy enforcement.

For many businesses, a tablet with 3- or 4G connectivity, instant-on capability, Exchange synchronization, a large screen, long battery life, and no walled-garden can be a very useful tool. I plan on ordering one of these devices on day 1 and using the full 30 days to evaluate it in our environment.

I have been using a Galaxy Tab for a few months, and though I like the device, both the smaller screen size (vs Zoom) and 2.2 OS don't quite make it for business use.
[Xoom General] kenyu73:
I guess some BestBuy regional manager posted some internal release dates for the Xoom. People are speculating the 17th for a Verizon 'store' release date, then Best Buy one week later.

Ugh... if this is true... I dont know if I can hold our for 7 days so I can get my $600-800 reward zone points!! My goal is getting BB silver membership for the 45 day return policy... At the rate of new Android releases, I can probably get a new device every 6 weeks!
[Xoom General] trumpet444:
I wish some people would stop complaining about the "high" price of the Xoom. Its a high end device with a justifiable high end price. How much did your smartphone cost retail?... unsubsidized, probably around $500. This is a high performing 10.1" tablet, 2-3 times larger than your touchscreen phone and with Android 3.0, and a hell of a lot better than the supposedly "comparable" $500 wifi ipad. And unlike the ipad, you can upgrade your memory w/out upgrading the whole damn device. $799 OR $699 is a steal. So save up. And if you can't afford it, then you are window shopping at the wrong store.
[Xoom General] generic.imitation:
well, a lot of people are understandably concerned over the price of the tablet, but no one actually knows the price yet. All this speculation isn't getting you anywhere lol. The same thing happened with the ipad before launch. Rumors about it costing upwards of 1200...

When the galaxy tab came out what did it cost off/on contact, and what was the cost to cancel that contact with t mobile? Instead of paying 700 for the tab, it actually costed 500 (300 for the galaxy tab +200 etf) if you just canceled the contact. Same thing goes here, and hits closer to the general consensus of what we think the price point should be, if the unsubsidized price is actually 700. You may only have to pay 650. Hopefully vzw doesn't up their etf again.

Hopefully they don't make a **** move, and have it subsidized to 350... Then it will cost the same either way.
[Xoom General] ma42091:
Yes! Completely agree. $200-300 difference from a smartphone, is that too much?
[Xoom General] svengalis:
$700 for a tablet ridiculous.
[Xoom General] gogol:
Absolutely agree with this.

I don't mind paying more compare to iPad, because this thing can do much more.

And at $700 - $800, it is quite a steal, indeed.

Of course, you can wait a little bit longer for other (might be) cheaper Honeycomb tablet from Dell, Asus, Acer, etc. There will be a lot of choices :)
[Xoom General] Mclovin81:
You only have 15 days since the new policy changed.
[Xoom General] nashmage:
What is Best Buys return policy?

I have been dying to get this tablet and do not want to wait but at the same time if it is locked up and I will never be able to do anything with it I am not sure I will want to keep it :(

I know that places like Walmart give crazy 60 or 90 day return policies but I think a place like Best Buy could end up being 15 or 30 days. I could also end up just getting store credit (wouldnt be too bad because I could save that money for the next tablet I want)
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Here in Cali its 30 days
[Xoom General] asianxtreme:
$800 + tax + $50 case + $100 Bluetooth keyboard---looking at around $1000.

Pretty ridiculous. My new desktop only cost me $900 and it is blazing fast.

IMO:

If it's $600 I'm picking it up no question.

If it's $700 I'll still get it but skip the keyboard for now...

$800...I really don't see how I can pull the trigger. I guess wait a few weeks until reviews come out to see if it's really worth it.

I'm buying to view my college textbooks (pdfs). I've got 400 set aside from not buying books and the rest will be out of my own pocket.

As of now $800 looks more and more likely :(
[Xoom General] redbullcat:
If you American's have it for $699, I hope we in the UK don't have it for £720. In the UK it should be around £500 imo, maybe £550, but I'd say that would the absolute maximum :)
[Xoom General] kenyu73:
According to Best Buys website:

"14 days for computers, monitors, projectors, camcorders, digital cameras, iPad, tablets and radar detectors"

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Help-To...es/pcmcat204400050023.c?id=pcmcat204400050023

However, if you're a "Silver" Bestbuy member, you get 45 days.
[Xoom General] hoola20055:
I normaly dont reply to threads like this but........i paid retail for my droid x at 569+ tax. I will GLADLY pay $700 for this most awesome (TABLET) i mean look at what im getting for less than $150 more. Even at 800$ im ther day one. Booooyaaahhhh
[Xoom General] agupta80:
Locked to network?

Any ideas if the 3G/4G version will be available locked to a network? I'l be visiting NY in April and was hoping to pick one up then for my trip and to use when I get back home.
[Xoom General] calin75:
$800 bucks at best buy on February 24.
[Xoom General] eallan:
800. Ouch....
[Xoom General] nashmage:
Looks like I will have to wait for a wifi version after all... if you look at the best buy ad below the image it says "To activate wifi functionality on this device, a minimum of 1 month data subscription is required." so basically I have to pay 20 a month for wifi... thats ridiculous.

I am sure one of the many people on xda would get around that but I am sure the wifi version will also be cheaper. I am surprised to not see a subsidized version though.

I really hope that the wifi version comes out soon :(
[Xoom General] kenyu73:
You dont have to pay it month to month. It's a one time activation and you can cancel anytime and still have WiFi. This is all assuming the BB ad is legit and such.

May be a bogus ad: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11180078&postcount=22
[Xoom General] j2hott23:
Nope thats not how it works. You just activate it when you purchase it and when you leave the store cancel the plan.
[Xoom General] ma42091:
Fellow XDA'ers from Canada! Looks like the Xoom is coming to you in March.

http://www.theandroidphone.com/moto...=Feed:+TheAndroidPhonecom+(The+Android+Phone)
[Xoom General] PuerkitoBio:
Bell's starting to get it. It took some time....
[Nook Color General] xjosx:
Is it at all possible to use a USB keyboard with a nook color?

Using a USB to micro B USB cable and a USB A Female to A Female Coupler Adapter?

I already have a logitech USB 2.0 keyboard, and this setup would help me cope with the awful OSK. Would I have to wait for CM7 to be ported for the nook or could I use it now? Is it even possible to work?

Thanks!
[Nook Color General] KryptoNyte39:
In my testing, this did not work.
[Nook Color General] nootered:
Perhaps we will be able to use a Bluetooth keyboard?
[Nook Color General] ManiacMac:
I have been having a lot of issues typing on the Nook. Admittedly this may be simply because I'm used to the sensitivity of my iPhone and the Nook just seems overly sensitive to me.

A BT Keyboard would be awesome.
[Nook Color General] scndthe2nd:
Once they enable the usb in host mode, I'm sure this'll be the first thing out and usable.
[Nook Color General] lshem16:
Bump. Just to see if anything new has come up, I would really like a portable external keyboard.
[Nook Color General] psiphi:
It is now possible in a limited fashion to use a bluetooth keyboard with a nook using CM7 with the following limitations:

Nook should not be hooked to power or USB

Wi-Fi should be off

Range is limited to a foot or so from the Nook
[Nook Color General] polphi:
Very interesting psiphi. Why the severe limitations I wonder? Is it likely that those will be addressed in future CM7 builds?

I love my NC, but can't use it as a notebook replacement without an external keyboard. Would pay up for a workable solution.
[Nook Color General] verygreen:
The usb keyboard (and more) is actually kind of working

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bovg4aBFnA8
[Nook Color General] Speeddymon:
Why do you say kind of? Looks like it is working well in that video.
[Nook Color General] verygreen:
Well, it is working indeed. What I meant to convey is it's not a totally user-friendly solution yet.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
I'm trying to search as many threads as possible from my tapatalk app but I believe its buried deep somewhere. I just wanted to know how can I tell if a have a 0004 novatec or Epson. I searched Google but I keep landing in threads that just compare the two or which one is better with the fps hack etc. Is there a command I could enter in terminal to check?
[EVO 4G General] _MetalHead_:
When you change your screen brightness with the widget, if it instantly adjusts it's an epson and if it transitions smoothly its a nova.
[EVO 4G General] Nefariouss:
Agg there is a command but heck if I can remember it. Its probably buried in on of the old threads about fps cap. Hopefully someone will come in with the command. Kind of a moot point now that htc had integrated the fps fix into the stock kernel.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Well from what you said about the Widget and etc it seems to be a 0004 nova but I could be wrong lol. My whites seem really white and not pinkish but I just wanna be sure. It would Answer some weird probs I've had since I got it for Xmas.
[EVO 4G General] NHLWil:
You can check dmesg for epson or nova.

dmesg | grep espon

dmesg | grep nova

Whichever one gives you results is the screen you have.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Yup I have a 0004 nova thanks guys
[EVO 4G General] NHLWil:
Yes sir. Terminal, Connectbot, whatever you use.
[EVO 4G General] jocampo86:
New to mine was manufacture on 12/20/2010 u can check on the battery cover ..and is a white 004 nova,I thought they had stopped using nova since the 003 ver,,,weird that they using them again I wasn't getting used to the purple hue but now am staring to get used to it!!!
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
It does kind of have a purple hue ; I wonder why they went with 2 different screens maybe one of them ran out of supply.
[EVO 4G General] NHLWil:
Yes, the newer batches seem to be using the Novatek displays again. Many people who are new to the EVO or got replacements lately report getting them.
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
SEARCHING revealed this thread - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=860417

Specifically this post - http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9699646&postcount=65

According to that, newer ones have the epson panel.

Elsewhere in the thread, the differences between the two include the epson panel having warmer colors, and no transition between brightness levels. The nova panel has cooler (whiter) colors and transition is more fluid.

Not sure of what other benefits one has over the other...?
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
My evo has the nova and the girl at radio shack said the shipment mine was on 1 week b4 Xmas and it's a 0004. I hear having a 0004 nova is rare so im keeping it. Plus my mom has a white 0003 epson she got 4 Xmas . Also and I think mine looks waaaay better.
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
From that same thread;

Yours looks like the one on the right then, correct?

I guess ultimately, it's a user preference thing. I had several different garmins, and found the ones with the softer white (like the one on the left in the pic above) yielded better visibility in the day time, especially during mid day when the sun was over head (on two wheels).
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Yes it looks like the right one. I have horrible vision and looking at my moms just doesn't feel right. The brighter one goes with my eyes lol.
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] D3VICE:
I bought WidgetLocker, I enabled it, but when I lock/unlock, it first displays my normal lockscreen, and then 1 second later it displays WidgetLocker.

Did I do something wrong, or do I need to remove my default lockscreen?
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] kevin2516:
This problem only happens in sense roms, you can try an app called no lock. On aosp roms widget locker works perfectly.

Oh and to change theme all you have to do is play around with your framework-res...
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] D3VICE:
Weird because I'm on cm7.

Ill try what you said though, thanks.
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] kevin2516:
did you enable the 5 second root bypass rule in widget locker?
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] D3VICE:
Nope didn't try that since I didn't know what that was.

Ill try to do it, thanks.
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] D3VICE:
Thanks works now.

Any way to get more sliders?
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] kevin2516:
Pull the apk from your phone, and mod the sliders yourself, uninstall and reinstall widgetlocker.

Heaps of mods here if you're lazy.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=825553
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] goldbeard:
Try Lockbot Pro...it has so many in-built sliders to try from...one looking like iPhone, Froyo or Eclair style..it almost does the same functionality as does WidgetLocker , save some customisation ;)
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdkoren:
I've been reading a bunch and I'm kinda curious about the radio (baseband) firmware on the MyTouch 4G--or on Android phones in general if they aren't device-specific. Can anyone provide some good resources on the subject? What do they do, how do they work, and so forth?

Additionally, are there other radios that work on the MyTouch 4G? If so, how do they differ and what benefits do some have over others? How does someone flash a new radio to the device?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FckingAllen:
This should be moved to Q&A if it hasn't already.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] syaoran68:
i'm under the impression that you came from a WM phone cause i know on my TP1 and VX6800 you could interchangably use verizon and sprint and some other radio roms. though this thought has perplexed me as i havent seen any info on radios on the MT4G. i guess i'll sub this and see what happens
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] civicvx94:
Radios are indeed device specific, in some cases OS specific. Attempting to flash to a random radio off another device will almost certainly net you a brick. You should only use radios made for the MT4G and the version that the rom you have chosen recommends.

I wasn't even aware there was a new radio version out for the MT4G?

A radio is flashed the same way as a rom, just boot into recovery and flash the update.zip.

I'm not sure how to fully explain what the radio firmware actually does, but I know its not something to tinker with.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] STHNS:
Its like every freaking time I try to use XDA search to find my own post it fails, WTF. I don't feel like retyping it at 2AM ill edit this post later on when search works again and post it.

UPDATE: For god sake its still out.

Anyways radio normally controls your wireless interface gps, voice, data, wifi, bluetooth ect. Along with power and other memory functions whichs as stated you mingle with you will certainly brick it. Far as radio rom goes I too when first came here was looking for master radio thread as only radio I found is the stock one so not much dev going there.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borodin1:
It seems like, in case of newer HTC phones (such as G2 and MT4G), radio firmware also controls emmc read/write capablities of the chip (don't quote me on that) so most definitely NOT a good idea to tinker with it.