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[Captivate General] Lancez:
class action should be against AT&T! you guys are barking at wrong tree. just think about it,

1. Europe and Asia have received froyo update directly from samsung via Kie as early as August.

2. AT&T didn't build JI6 or JJ4 froyo leaked ROMs, samsung did!

3. the reason why we still haven't received froyo update is because AT&T dose not want to release it. why do we have so many carrier specific models and different versions, because carriers want to control the updates. they know if they give you update you will not upgrade your phone for every 1 1/2 years. they make money off of new contract not phones. they just treat us like bunch of idiots.

4. samsung has handed over at least 4 froyo builds since AT&T started selling captivate, but have we seen any of them officially? NO!

so if you have something to say, say it to AT&T not samsung.
[Captivate General] cumanzor:
Woah... aren't we an entitled society.....
[Captivate General] MikeyMike01:
Hurray for Crapitalism!
[Captivate General] Caliesv:
Why did I just read all that? Kinda interesting I guess. That would be funny if all this "going to court" worked though right? Well good luck!
[Captivate General] leetpriest:
You can sue corporations in small claims. I just sued American Water in small claims for not refunding or issuing a credit to my account when they estimated my water usage for a year and didn't perform an actual meter reading and billed me for 150 units of water more than what I actually used.

They settled, so I never actually went to court. I actually included lost wages in the suit (time spent pursuing the suit, as well as time spent on the phone with them), some punitive interest, and the filing/serving fees as well. I got what I wanted out of it.

No, we're not. We're a society that expects expensive devices to work in the manner advertised. If the device didn't claim to have a functioning GPS and stated prior to sale that the phone shutting down on screen sleep was a "Feature" we wouldn't be having this discussion.

New devices come out with more bells and whistles all the time, and that's fine. That's life. But when I buy a device, I expect the bells and whistles on that device to work, work properly, and last.

If you have $500 to throw away on **** that doesn't work, good for you. Nobody's asking for a handout. What I'm asking for, is that these companies sell products that have full functionality, and when they don't, replace them at their expense. That's called responsible business.

You should learn what words mean before you use them.
[Captivate General] upNsmokeAllDay:
This is a rather intersting read also about when phones will be getting the gingerbread update.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2376003,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ziffdavis%2Fpcmag%2Fbreakingnews+%28PCMag.com+Breaking+News%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
[Captivate General] leetpriest:
Interesting, indeed. Looking at the article, I mirror Daniel Syndes' thoughts. 2.3 is visually appealing, but 2.2 was a major boost in performance. Regardless, I run 2.3 on my G2 now. The difference is that I didn't run straight to XDA the second I bought the phone to look for a newer version release. Partly because the phone is mostly vanilla at stock release, but also because I didn't have a burning need to correct a problem with function, there aren't any.

My major gripe with the galaxy s line isn't with version release, it's with malfunction after malfunction and the unwillingness of these companies to do anything about it. Couple that with Samsung's history on updating products and some of the believable rumors about the updates and you have several unsatisfied customers.

Far too often do we see Samsung's treatment of their customers and lack of QA testing in other Korean products.
[Captivate General] fldude99:
Not to single you out, but it's amazing to me how ramped up folks are getting over this. Going to small claims for this? To me, I'd just do what you did in switching, and go to back to work and chalk it up...but horses for courses I suppose...
[Captivate General] leetpriest:
So your philosophy is that when a consumer pays for a device and that device malfunctions and doesn't operate in the manner that is advertised to the consumer, that the consumer should eat the cost?

No offense to you, but that mode of thinking is a contributing factor to the decline of quality in American products.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
My point was more about the fact that in most states plaintiffs and defendants in small claims court can not be represented by attorneys. In the case of a corporation, the agent listed in the articles of incorporation is the person who must appear. He or she can be an attorney, but they can not hire an attorney to appear in their place or to argue their case.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Fixed it for you.:(
[Captivate General] cumanzor:
American products? No offense to you, but frivolous suits is a reason why healthcare is so expensive, among other things, and why those companies who can will offshore their production.
[Captivate General] cappysw10:
Unions and a sense of entitlement are the reason American products cost so much. Another reason to go offshore.
[Captivate General] leetpriest:
I used to be a senior level network engineer at a company who's sole purpose was to provide offshore production. It has nothing to do with lawsuits. It's to cut labor costs of manufacturing, and avoid overbearing taxation. If anything, offshoring labor is the cause of subpar manufacturing.

Healthcare is a service, not a product. And yes, it's stupid that people sue a doctor for trying to perform a surgery. However, this differs from my case as each human being is completely different from the former or later that a surgery gets performed on. Each one of our Captivates is manufactured exactly the same, with the exact same components (for the most part, hardware revisions differ slightly). The healthcare analogy is flawed in every way and cannot even be considered as a viable analogy in this instance.

We're not talking about a liver transplant, we're talking about a phone, and a manufacturer that refuses to recall a malfunctioning device at their expense, place the product back in testing and re-release a fully functional device. You cannot blame the consumer for the lack of testing and QA by the manufacturer.

But while we're on the topic of healthcare, you should probably take note that trial lawyers are only a percentage of the problem. Illegal aliens, people that don't pay their bills, the Medicaid-welfare system that makes filing a claim impossible for a doctor's office, and stifling competition across state lines are the real reason that healthcare is so expensive. But that's off topic.
[Captivate General] alphadog00:
I disagree. California prohibits hired attorneys in small claims court (unless they are the defendant or the principal of a corporation). Other states are split - some allow people to hire attorneys, some not. Most allow corporations to hire an attorney to represent them.

The point is that small claims court makes it easy to file a claim. Trying to file a civil claim in circuit court requires a lawyer to file the right docs. Small claims court is one piece of paper and a ~$20 fee.
[Captivate General] leetpriest:
And a $50 serving fee if you want the sheriff to serve the papers for you ;)
[Captivate General] KonaZXIII:
Yes, because prices are never, ever, outrageous because shareholders/owners are greedy. :rolleyes:

Allow people to earn proper wages, benefits, and provide good working environments and watch the need for unions fade in to history (where they should stay, IMO). I do believe unions suck, but they are only one small notch ahead of greedy business owners/operators on the suckage scale.

Yes, decent wages, safety and healthcare cost extra- so skip the second yacht and the beach house in Malibu and it will be do-able (see this is the stop being greedy part). If you feel like arguing this point let us remember how entitlement is a bad thing, right? Don't expect anyone to feel sorry that you feel entitled to that mansion and that second yact at the expense of the other 99% of society. ;)

One added bonus to all of this is that people will work hard hard to keep their cushy job and just might take a little pride in what they do- in this case, build devices that actually work.
[Captivate General] cappysw10:
How's that been working for ya in the last oh say 50 years? Government regulations are as much to blame for their greed of sucking corporate profits which in turn gets passed to the consumer. That's you and me by the way.

Anyway, good for T-Mobile in getting their heads out of their butts!

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-vibrant-start-getting-froyo-jan-21-tomorrow#comment-99975
[Captivate General] KonaZXIII:
You're right, let's let big business run willy-nilly. That always works well. ;)

On a serious note, thanks for the link. Things just may be looking up. :cool:
[Captivate General] derek4484:
So very true. I work in IT and I'm the "technology geek" among friends and family. So everybody comes to me for advice on which computer, phone, tv, etc to buy. I have stopped recommending Samsung for anything. I will NEVER purchase or recommend another samsuck product as long as I live.
[Captivate General] bames:
uh...rename thread to state is the backlash enough to get the carriers to get off their hands and release the updates?

Whats come to light with the latest release is that T-mobile has had the update from samsung since september and the delay has been "technical" issues in their own "fine tuning" of the firmware for release.

I would wager ATT and got the release around the same time as t-mobile.
[Captivate General] bames:
if you haven't seen the latest news on t-mobile finally starting their push of froyo the last 2.5-3 months of delay is squarely on TM's shoulders.
[Captivate General] sarcasmo:
A number of years ago I had an 8525. HTC released WinMo 6.0 for that device (Hermes) and AT&T sat on it forever. I expected them do the same with froyo when I purchased my Captivate. I can deal with late froyo (especially since I run an xda ROM anyhow), what I can't deal with is my malfunctioning GPS. That's a Samsung issue and I doubt they have any intention of addressing it. those with shut-down issues feel the same way.

Samsung may be off the hook for the froyo delay, but they aren't off the hook for all of the hardware problems.
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Well, since CA is where I live, that's what I referenced. You skewered me saying I didn't know what I was talking about, but I posted 2 links that said exactly what I said. And no one here refers to small claims court as civil court. Most small claims courts do not allow suing for the lost wages or inconvenience of appearing in court whereas civil court does. And if you have a case for punitive damages you don't want the relatively low maximum of small claims court to hinder that claim, either. Small claims is fine for suing a neighbor or a store owner, but if you want to go after a corporation for some real $$$ you'd be better off to file in civil court.
[Captivate General] leetpriest:
He's not the one filing the case, I am. When suing in small claims court, you could sue for personal injury and include lost wages. The same concept can be applied in this instance where Breech of Warranty is implied in the case.

I'm not going any further into detail than that at this time. I'm not suing for, as you put it "real $$$". I'm suing for a few hundred, only the exact amount that I lost as a result of purchase of a faulty device, and the failure of carrier providing me a functional device as a replacement.

This isn't Kali-fon-ia where judges are so fed up with seeing frivolous suits from bad tit jobs or someone walking on your private beach and flicking a cigarette butt onto your shoreline.
[Captivate General] alphadog00:
Back on topic... Sprint announced they were working on getting Froyo out for the Epic ASAP. I think it is time to ask AT&T when they are going to make a statement. Everyone has targeted Samsung, but no one is asking AT&T. Is T-Mo more efficient then they are?
[Captivate General] cappysw10:
No 10 chars
[Captivate General] jpinks:
I have so lost any remaining belief that Samsung or ATT as companies are concerned at all about keeping current customers. All they care about is the "Next Big Thing" in phones. I am so gone from ATT and Samsung. Closing company accounts is always so much fun, but I am done.
[Captivate General] cappysw10:
You have enough of an account to make it hurt?
[Captivate General] firehazard:
That's great! My Captivate has been rocking 2.2/2.2.1 for months, as well.
[Captivate General] jpinks:
Only about 300 accounts and they can care less, I can tell you that already from previous experience dealing with ATT. What worries me is the Phone Trade In announcement. Sounds like they dont want to update but sell us new phones and steal back the old ones. But I will say again ATT has pissed me off more ways than you can imagine and not just over this Froyo update.
[Captivate General] n19htmare:
Seems like the Vibrant on T-mobile just got 2.2
[Captivate General] cappysw10:
The evil empire would never do ..... oh yes they would. Just their speed to get people to trade in their phones and then six months later, update.
[Captivate General] Shauli20:
You're probably running CM6 or something. But we had it stock, straight from HTC.

Sent from my EVO rockin' MikFroYo!
[Captivate General] emuneee:
Some of the theories posted here border on pathetic. AT&T starting a trade in program to take your poor Captivate as credit towards an Atrix 4G not to mention them holding the update? :-/

From what I can tell, AT&T is matching Verizon service for service.
[Captivate General] blazin619:
Samsung has sold 10 million galaxy s phones. If an upgrade is to costly for them it is because there investing in there next scheme. What a bunch of pimps. I think i might sell my captivate soon. I am liking the hd2 and how it can run wm7
[Captivate General] nycems22:
how much are they crediting towards it?
[Captivate General] alkiter:
Gps is a software problem. Im running Andromeda and Gps works great.
[Captivate General] Caliesv:
You must be bored with your evo if your reading/posting on captivate threads... :)
[Captivate General] Shauli20:
Not at all! The EVO has some of the best developers out there, and the amount of ROMs, kernels and themes just keeps growing. Unlike the Galaxy S phones which Samsung corrupts to not work with many apps and mods. (How many times have you come across an app in the market which states - not compatible with Galaxy S phones...)

So I can't really get bored with the EVO. However, the title of this thread got my curiosity (it was listed in the XDA app 'latest' list) and just gave me another reason to never buy a Samsung phone...

Sent from my EVO rockin' MikFroYo!
[Captivate General] sonikot:
Please stop feeding the troll.
[Captivate General] drwx:
I can't say that I've ever run across an app that said that.
[Captivate General] MikeyMike01:
I see it all the time.

Sent from my Captivate.
[Captivate General] xiaoali:
I've come across a few.. Nothing major comes to mind. I've come across more apps that requires 2.2 more often...
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CrazyMonk87:
Hello this is my first post.

After reading "[REF] Ivo's Introductory Guide to this forum (READ ME FIRST)" I saw that if you update your phone to HTC Update Android 2.2.1 it is unrootable.

I have a had a quick look but I cannot find guide on how to make my phone rootable, has no one worked out how to do it yet?

Thanks to anyone in advance :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] macko125:
The first thread that is pinned at the top would have answered your question. >>[GUIDE] How to downgrade 1.72/1.75 to 1.32<<

You have to downgrade to 1.32, then you can root again with Visionary+.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CrazyMonk87:
Thank you so much clarifying that!!!

I thought that maybe the relevant post but because it didn't refer to Android 2.2.1 I was unsure.

Thanks again.:)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gadjet:
I am stuffed due to 1.72 upgrade..:)

I updated to 1.75, then downgraded to 1.32 no problem, but cant get into bootloader, phone hangs on triangle with exclamation mark?.

Visionary seems to work, and i get root (superuser permissions showing), but the the clockwork mod recovery wont fire up?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cattleprod:
cause you need to s-off to be able to flash cwm recovery

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=857537
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] El_Nino9:
M_T_M has requested we do not answer questions post posted in development but thank you for helping the user.

i would also go out and say if you are using the samsung 8gb SD CARD provided i wouldn't update. you SD CARD will die :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tony.wheeler:
El_Nino,

I wondered about the quality of the included micro SD card - can you please say why you think the card would suffer with such an upgrade? Do you know how this card prforms compared with other cards? I recently changed from an HD2 and it (running Android) ran videos from my old SD card better than the Desire HD which stutter on 720... I know the ROM update is meant to address that but I also wonder if the read rate of the card might be a factor.

Regards
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Centtertje:
Hi,

I have hacked my HTC 7 trophy with ChevronWP7, and used TOM XAP installer.

I can install all apps I want except for the XBOX LIVE games. Don't know if this common, i only heard one person about it, but he did not get an answer.

Is it because I live in The Netherlands? Xbox live is not available here yet!

Sorry if this is re-post, but I searched for it! What am I doing wrong?

Thanks!

Centter
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] emigrating:
I'll tell you what you're doing wrong - you're trying to run pirated games. I hope Microsoft bans your Live account.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Centtertje:
Okay, guess it has been told me, but i've missed it.

Sorry!
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] maros2710:
Hello, sorry for noob question:(

I am trying to create water plane (4 vertexes with blending and moving texture)

i am using tutorial from game developedia,

but i don't know how to move texture coordinates with each update:(

and another question - it is possible to tile texture on only two triangles? (probably not, right?:) )

thank you!
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Jefis:
Use:

VertexPositionColorTexture[6], Msdn: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...work.graphics.vertexpositioncolortexture.aspx

And method: DrawUserPrimitives

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb196411.aspx
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] alban92000:
Nice job, work on darky's 8.1
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] ace117:
Thanks Marky for v1.4.3! Again! :)

I'm Zoli Puskas from Darky's forum ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Krieg Noobie:
Nice theme, can anyone identify the font used in the theme?

Thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] ghostclass:
Been running this theme for a while now, love the transitions and basically everything about it. I believe I'm running v1.4 (not 1.4.3) and haven't run into any bugs as of yet. Well done!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] toneman1984:
I love MIUI but the call quality has prevented me from using it as a daily driver. I use my phone for business so the quality must be the same as other roms. Speaker phone breaks up, sound phases in and out when out of speaker phone, and people report hearing the sound of water flowing when they talk to me. They also can't hear me that well. This has only happened on MIUI. I've tried different kernels as well. Any suggestions would be great!

Thankyou XDA!
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] nicbennett:
I have a moto droid which is no longer active with Verizon(that $30 a month was getting to be a bit much) and would like to use google voice to make calls. On install, it gives an option to use google voice for calls, but when I actually try to make one it routes me to Verizon's "we're sorry, this phone isn't in service" message.

I understand that this isn't really the intended use, but I can use google talk to make a call from my PC, why will it not let me use the same service from my droid. Is this a quirk of the device or a limitation from Verizon or google?

I'm using the latest Bugless Beast, if it makes a difference, though I have also tried with CM7 build 3 and CM 6.1.2.

--------------------edit------------------

Ah, nevermind. I figured it out myself. This is not possible with google voice alone, but I grabbed Sipdroid off the market. When paired with a google voice account(set to ring to gtalk as well as any other phone numbers) works rather well as a wifi phone. There is a bit of a delay sometimes in making a call, but no serious problems. call quality is quite good.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PoseyBAH:
Is it possible to get a T-mobile N1 to support the 3G Bands 850/1900 that the bell network supports? I know it is possible to flash different radios with android phones. I am still a fairly new user to android but i'am trying to learn and u can't learn with out asking questions :)

Thanks,

Ryan
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Clarkster:
You won't get 3G. You need the AT&T version for Telus/Bell/Rogers. You could try Wind or Mobilicity.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PoseyBAH:
well that sucks, neither of those are in Nova Scotia where i am located :(
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Clarkster:
You could always try to look for someone to trade with, AT&T for Tmobile Nexus.

But it would probably be hard to do in person if there is no demand for it in Nova Scotia.

I don't know how safe it would be to trade by mail.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexusDro:
Any plans that Wind or Mobilicity will come to Nova Scotia? Just curious.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jep4444:
You could get it to work on Rogers GSM network but you won't get 3G, I could be wrong but I don't think Bell or Telus have GSM networks so you're out of luck there.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Clarkster:
Oh yeah, there is that little snafu too. Even worse.

It will work on Rogers but you won't get 3G speeds.

It won't work at all on Bell/Telus.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Morgyy:
So are you saying his Tmobile won't work on Bell/Telus at all?

But an AT&T will work fine on Telus, with 3G as well?

I am considering buying a nexus one for when I switch to telus next month.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Clarkster:
Yes, the T-Mobile version will only work on Rogers/Fido with 2G only.

It will not work on Bell/Telus at all, ever.

It will only work on 3G on Wind Mobile and Mobilicity.

If you want full Rogers/Telus/Bell support, you need the AT&T version.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gravufo:
/fixed ;)

10chars
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
If you're a Canadian and you want a "Nexus One-like" experience on Bell/Telus/Rogers, and you're having trouble finding one with the right 3G bands...

Get an HTC Desire from Telus. Problem solved. If you don't like Sense UI you can flash it with all sorts of ROMs that will make it feel more like an N1, or you can put MIUI on it, or Cyanogen, etc...
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CanadianBacon:
Or according to mobile syrup(can't link) the nexus S will be on the big 3 in march
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] hkmystique:
http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles...8-1_Milestone_1_Android_2_Release_notes.Final[1]_ZH-TW.pdf

(*Press release in Traditional Chinese only*)

Press release was ready and leaked on o

fficial Motorola website

although no release date was found on it

it was told that the update will be available on 25/1
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] DannyDroid:
Backup;

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6711209/Leaked - Official Press - Froyo.pdf
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] sileshnair:
Knowing Moto, i'll believe when i start getting the OTA update on my phone. :D