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[Windows Phone 7 General] jjblaster3:
remember this is just the first release.. sure, it has taken them a long time to make it, but that doesnt mean that the time was wasted.. Im pretty impressed with the amount of speed and fluidity MS has been able to squeeze out of our 1ghz devices

considering the animations present (even android is laggy if not overclocked)

copy paste will be released as an update, which isnt a problem coz remember this is a new OS and not that many people will just dive into it on the first release.

as for multitasking, consider this.. a smartphone isnt like a desktop/laptop pc, only one app can be displayed on the screen.. why would you need another app fully running on the background taking up all the cpu resources while it could just be kept on standby and maybe just part of it could be running (notifications part)

this is the main reason why android and winmo 6.5 were slow in the first place (android wanted to use the same idea but just messed up, thats why 3rd party task managers are there to help out)

so at the end of the day, we hate the new OS because we're used to the old one.. which is really not cool
[Windows Phone 7 General] eallan:
man this is just wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Actually, Android don't do that. Yes, they keep using RAM in background. BUT! In Linux systems RAM is not managed the way they are in Windows.

Windows = The more free memory you have, better, faster.

Linux = Doesn't matter how much free memory you have. It will run smoothly.

So Android do the same thing. Whenever you have free memory, it will keep the App running. When you need more RAM, it will decide which app is useless or less useful and close.

Battery is not affected too.

Under the hood, Android is pretty smart, actually. I just don't like the "above the hood". The widget things and editable home is useful, tough.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
This is just dumb excuse. And not true.

Symbian UIQ devices back in 2007 could multitask without any slowdown.

My computer doesn't slow down even if I heavily multitask.

There are dozens of scenarios when we need it. Becuse current solution leads to idiotic reloading/rebooting apps and processes.

The simplest is when I'm in the Facebook app and get sms and start a short sms chat. When I finnish instead of continuing what I was doing there, I have to reboot everything and go through all the process. It's a crap.

At least IE behaves normally and Word.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vbetts:
Why does is have to have those features though? I like Android, don't get me wrong. But people expect this OS to live by Android standards, when it doesn't need to. It's annoying to see the same thing over and over.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Buhahaha! Great one.

Because it's basics!

With this kind of attitude MS has no chance to do anything with this OS.

I just hope they don't think your way.

People expect things because a very high standard is already established.

Did you live in a cave last few years?!

The same was with processor speeds, capactive screens, big cameras.

Do you release today a smartphone with a 1,3mpx camera "because you live in a different standard"? Lol, man.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
To little to late? Don't make me laugh.

WP7 launches with:

- Smooth and intuitive interface.

- Microsoft Office Integration.

- Xbox Live integration

- Zune with Zune Pas integration

- Fastest growing marketplace ever

- Fastest boot time of any OS

- Windows Live Integration

- IE7 Port from Windows

- Smart Multitasking foundation with dehydrating applications

First Update for WP7 next month brings:

- C&P support

- Better memory management for faster app launch

- Drivers for newer Qualcomm chipsets

- CDMA Antenna Support

- Phone Backups on Zune

Fall Update Mango brings:

- IE9 port from Windows

- Silverlight & HTML5 support in browser

- Trident 5 Rendering Engine

- Far Eastern Language Support

- More Unspecified Features

I fail to see how an OS with such promise can be too late in a smartphone war that isn't even close to having half of the cell phone market. User bases for smartphones are expected to double within the next few years so I guess the naysayers should tell them all that they have to choose iOS, Android, or RIM devices because smaller platforms like WP7, WebOS, and MeeGO aren't allowed to compete.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
With a little correction:

All those dates and specified updates are RUMOURS. Not a "promise"

Nowhere officially confirmed, anywhere.

Backstage forums, which are nice, give no info about it either,

neither any official MS info channel.

So we can agree with you above once WE SEE IT.

Now we know nothing, or - a little.
[Windows Phone 7 General] -WP7User-:
Well said, nothing to add!

I think you're right with that statement. Just because all the owners of a smartphone out there don't talk about the OS on their phones doesn't mean that they don't understand the topic. I mean, I know a 60 year old man who has never been interested in such things before and who isn't interested a the moment, but he does know what Android, WP7 and iOS are...

AND: WP7 has got a silent mode! Or are you too dumb to turn off the ringing?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Most of people I know using smartphones are pretty much informed about features.

They don't use forums. But they are really disappointed by many things. This applies to all OS'es.

For instance, iPhone is faulty, not solid product. Besides people carrying this like a baby, most of users have power-button **** up...... Never read about it on any tech news portal. Etc......
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Actually, the NoDo update is pretty much confirmed. C&P was showed at CES. The codename was confirmed by Charlie Kindel from MS. Paul Thurrott is more than a reliable source of anything MS so I'm willing to bet he's right especially since all of the above features are supported in WCE7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
I disagree.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
If Microsoft's new target market didnt care, this thing would be selling like hot cakes. Microsoft would be touting their sales, and jumping for joy.

Zune UI has been great to some people , and nothing but great reviews for it. Is it selling more than ipods? No ,not at all, because people care about more than UIs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
There needs to be much more than a set of product attributes in order for it to sell well. Positioning, awareness, distribution, shelf space, visibility, sales staff training, competence and motivation, pricing etc. Equally of something doesn't sell you can't just pick one of these parameters and say it's to blame.

That being said, attributes may not be needed yet people may care because they were told they were important. Multitasking may be one of such things. So it's important to have it, if only for the purpose of having a checkbox in the spec sheet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jsgiv:
Again - so what? - and your point is? That WP7 is going to have a hard time "catching up" to Apple/Android? Perhaps - depending on your point of view.

Personally, I'm not quite sure one way or the other, yet. Many said that XBox would never catch up with Nintendo and Sony - And - by comparison - the original XBox console was just as "weak" from a sales perspective as WP7 devices are today... Yet - today XBox360 outsells the PS3 and is a strong competitor to the Wii.

The real question is: Does Microsoft's latest introduction to the market change things going forward? Does it bring a competitive alternative and further innovation in what is (IMHO) a fairly stale market today (i.e. iPhone/Androids pretty much look and operate the same to the average consumer)...
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
You know, a lot of industries use this same technique for adjusting features on their products. But, however, they are doing it will much less common features. What MS is doing is x'ing out the common features. You can't win when your product doesn't meet the common needs. People will just go to the next product.

Excusing it with all kinds of marketing strategy explanations only serves to drive the product deeper into a hole rather than help it survive.

I wonder how many WP7 users are cursing their devices for lack of voice nav? Does MS provide a graph of that segment? No. There are also likely quite a number of users cursing WP7 for lack of a simple, integrated, phone app. And still, likely quite a few users are cursing it for lack of custom ringtones. And so forth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well I am not bashing anyone

But yes better ignore me here because you don't have any arguments here besidea beeing blinded by corporate blah blah.

I just hope you will join "average customer" in the distribution room where you all can agree how you love the flawless product.

Just don't waiste others time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
4 years ago nobody wanted touchscreen, internet browser etc. in the device.

Now everybody wants it.

Using the "average" argument is irrelevant.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
I think it does, but none of the killer features of the OS get's the attention they deserve. Case in point; Zune with it's Zune Pass. Why wasn't there a campaign highlighting this? It completely kills the iPhone in this area, as for Android (which so many people still compare to) - there is nothing even remotely close to it (yet - there are talks about something emerging).

The "really" campaign didn't do much IMO. Sure, it pointed out that you could get information at a glance, but let's be honest here - we never spent much time on any phone checking to see if there was new information available.

What takes time (and the reason we're walking around with the phone in our faces) is interacting with the information that is there; We received a new message - we respond to it. We use the web browser to check out forums, use RSS readers to keep up to date with the news and so on. No amount of live-tiles or notifications will remove this.

In any case, what WP7 brings to the table is it's live tiles - I know I just said they don't take us away from our phones, but they do still provide a value add. Zune, as discussed above. Xbox Live integration, this is surely a high point for both the casual and hardcore gamer. The Social integration - not just status updates and messages, but photos for example, automatically shared on Live and/or Facebook. In short - it brings a completely new experience.

And it's an experience [most] people like. Everyone who has seen my device instantly falls in love, even die hard Apple fans. If that isn't innovation I don't know what is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Maybe in your part of the world, but not here. People were starving for quality tech in a smartphone. It's why the iPhone was such a success.
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeken:
If WP7 was not intended for power users such as us then why would any of you buy it? Last I checked most people on XDA like to tinker with their phone and customize it to their liking.

And if their target market are iPhone users what benefit does it have over the iPhone? I don't get their marketing strategy. Their commercials are uncreative and confusing. They show a guy constantly look at his phone while the WP7 guy looks at his phone once and is good to go. WTF does that mean? What are they trying to tell people about their phone? Here is the most important decision a consumer needs to make before buying a phone; why on earth would I get a WP7 over an iPhone? What could you possibly tell me to convince me to go with WP7?

If normal every day consumers had a choice between an iPhone and a iPhone wanna be why would they even consider the iPhone wanna be? What does it have to offer? Apps-no, games-no, build quality-no, HD space-no, GPS software-no, ease of use-no, etc.....
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Exactly! The answer is...at least in my case: It was inconceivable to imagine a smartphone being released that wasn't meant to be a smartphone. I never had the idea that a product akin to the iPhone, Android, BB, Palm, Nokia would come from MS and not be at least what the competition was. As far as I was concerned, WP7 would be another convergence device but would be coming from MS and it was expected that if MS is releasing their version of a new smartphone, in this day and age, it would be better that an iPhone. It was expected, from all the rumors leading up to its launch, that WP7 would be the best there would be. It was never expected to be featureless.

I expected MS's version of an iPhone. I expected WP7 to be a serious challenger to the iPhone. I expected superb quality and outstanding features. I never dreamed MS would do the opposite of what was expected and release a featureless smartphone. I understood that the main features would not be included at launch. But it was implied those features would be implemented soon thereafter. Lo and behold! MS has no intentions of putting features on WP7. Anything right now of coming features is just speculation and rumors, much like all the speculation and rumors of Jan/Feb "massive" updates.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
No. This is not true.

The people who were starving for this were this tech oriented group, beeing described here as meaningless for some.

IPhone was starting so well because of Apple hype prepared by computers and ipods. That is unrepeatable.

Of course later on more and more consumers became more technology aware. And that is the shift I am talking about. Average means something different today and 4 years ago.

Tech oriented people do much much more to the market than buying devices. They are one if the driving forces. But there is incredibly increasing percentage of aware users.

That is why - I say it again - all of the successful OSes in the world are trying to provide fluent and easy experience but offer a lot for the ones who need more.

That is the only way. MS also has to follow this path
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
WP7 will never catch up with Apple or Android. Not at this rate. Do you think WP7 sales are picking up? No, its all downhill until new devices show up.

I like how you guys bring up the Xbox success, but never mention the games that pushed that success.

Statement reigns true, too little too late.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
You need to first understand what we all had before you can understand what the iPhone provided to us. The best we has ina smartphone was constant system freezes, poor app performance, unintuitive UI, constant crashing & reboots, herky jerky videos and crackly music playback, scratch-proned film-based touchscreens (resistive tech), non-elegant designs, ugly and complex UI and overall poor system performance.

The iPhone was the opposite of all that. Whether or not you accept that Apple hyped it with the reputation of their other products, it is true that people wanted what the iPhone actually gave them: Quality, simplicity, reliability, elegant design. The apps provided quality performance and there was no herky jerky video or music performance. The touchscreen was a solid surface that didn't move when it was touched. It felt like glass. And it responded to a much softer touch. The screen could be easily wiped off without the fear of ruining it's elegance and beauty by scuffing it.

All apps were right there in front of you in vivid and high-contrast presentation. There was intuitiveness and uniformity to the UI. It was expected that a smartphone from Apple would be the best there ever could be. It would be a fulfillment of future technology.

You may get caught up in the ever-constant Apple hatred so prevalent among techies, but I never pay any attention to the hate. It is misplaced and has no validity. It is like trying the smear the good name of an innocent person. All because they do things their own way and choose to keep the system clean and reliable by making it closed and strictly monitoring what can be included. Apple haters can spout their venom to the last day of time, it makes no difference to me or those of us who appreciate what Apple is and has done. There could be a zillion Apple-haters reasoning their arguments at me simultaneously. I wouldn't pay credit to any of them because I have experienced the goodness of what Apple provides. And I certainly won't cow down to peer pressure. F*ck peer pressure. I would rather have my name falsely smeared till the end of time than give way to false and harmful campaigns against someone or some company that didn't deserve it. I'm not lead around like a puppet by the majority. I make my own judgments based on truth, rather than what is popular.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
No. What MS currently has in WP7 can be had with an iPhone. And the iPhone provides features. The only thing WP7 has is its quality UI and system performance. It has a different look, but is still only an iPhone in its quality and system performance.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
Who cares if WP7 ever catches up with Android or iPhone? I mean, really?

It seems like haters here are just bash so they could pat themselves on the back every month that WP7 hasn't caught up. And if WP7 never catches up, then you could all pat yourselves on the back some more for declaring WP7 a failure.

Seriously. Get over yourselves.

Different people have different preferences. They do different things with their phones.

It's like a bunch of people who drive SUVs bashing people who drive sports convertibles because the little sports cars can't do all the SUV things, and the little convertible sports cars will never outsell SUVs. Who the hell cares? Some people like sports cars.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
wait, my hd7 doesn't have an integrated phone app? How do I make calls then???

I never said it was flawless, just the best 1.0 smartphone I've seen released to date. The only one that compares is maybe webOS. It obviously doesn't fit your needs and shouldn't have purchased it until the updates give you what you are looking for.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, buying something, then *****ing about missing features is like buying an SUV then *****ing about the gas mileage. This was all known when you bought the device. Can't live with the "limitations", sell the damn phone and move on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I used to think I loved tinkering and I did it to dozens of phones but once I got WP7 I realized I didn't like tinkering, I just wanted a phone that actually worked. I got that with WP7. Oh, as for features that sold me this over the iphone, no hardware restriction to those ugly little devices, amazing MP3 player with zune pass, xbox live integration and the promise of good games which I have no doubt about with things like ilomilo, expandable memory, ease of use, good facebook integration, office integration, etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
Wow, i have to say ive never read so much utter BS and conjecture in all my life, I dont usually say this and im very much against mods closing threads but in this case im going to agree with them, some people are not able to have civilised debate without it generating in to bad language and name calling, I am disapointed in a few folk on here.

Now Let me state a few 'facts' , WP7 is what it is, it works, it has a function and it performs to it, no where should any new device have to 'pretend' or 'live up to' any other device out there, they do not need to meet anyones expectations they can do what ever they well like. WP7 is a phone, it can send texts, make calls, it can take photos, you can run other programs on it, there is quite a lot you can do with it, which will no doubt increase in due time, MS is under no obligation to do this quickly, you have bought (or perhaps stolen) a WP7 device, if you didnt like it than that is your problem.

Now for some opinions of my own, I happen to think Windows Mobile 6.5.3 is fantastic, it did an incredible amount, much more so than any other OS out there, dispite what you may believe WM 'devices' are much more common than any other platform out there, you just probably dont realise it. yes in terms of 'phone' sales its been outstripped at any given moment but thats not to say that Iphone/android have a bigger market share, business being the largest share. and they have been buying them for the last 8 years

anyhow, I dual booted WM and android, and then took the plunge to WP7 expecting something pretty poor compared to WM, and the funny thing is, i really dont miss either of them, what will i stick with? dunno yet, ill make my mind up in a few months but at the mo, coming from a very heavy WM user, Im liking WP7 and i have not been feeling the need to tinker with it

Thank you and good night
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Nobody hates Apple. But the moment of explosion of iPhone was made by ex feature phones users. Not disappointed tech users. Because smartphone market was marginal. It was pure hype for a long time.

It was revolutionary product in many areas. And helped smartphone market.

But we agree - WP7 needs features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
It's like buying a top SUV to discover that air conditioning works only up to 21 degrees Celsius however it's obvious I would expect higher temperature available.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Not one with a "Favorites" type list. You have to clutter the main screen with tiles of your favorite contacts to get close to a "Favorites" function. And the People hub doesn't provide a link to the dialer. So if you install a nice "Favorites" function app from the Market that doesn't have a link to the dialer, you have to contend with 3 tiles for an integrated style phone app:

EDIT - Actually you could do away with the People hub live tile and rely on the regular phone tile for a link to the People hub to minimize the number of main screen tiles. But that would mean giving up one of the very, very few features WP7 provides: a "Live" tile.

The OEM phone tile

The People hub

The installed Favorites tile.

I wanted to keep that Favorites app but couldn't stand the clutter. It's true I could have deleted the few contact tiles on the main screen in favor of keeping the Favorite app tile. But the longer I observed those 3 phone app tiles needed for performing a full function phone app, I couldn't stand it. I uninstalled that Favorites app and am just going to live with the two phone app tiles and the several contact tiles.
[Windows Phone 7 General] captobie:
Cut & Paste, multitasking, and MMS were all common features when the iPhone was introduced, and Apple x'ed them out and brought them back piecemeal over the next few years. Consumers didn't seem to mind.

Patience. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
The whole issue discussed here has often been said and posted ...

Only generates flame.

Closed Thread
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Excellent reasoning. The reason a 300MHz CPU or resistive touchscreen isn't used. Those higher specs are standard today. Let the features come up to standard.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vbetts:
Basics that you want, which doesn't mean everybody out there. Don't get me wrong, C/P would be nice, but personally I don't feel it's needed. Neither do a majority of the people who are happy with WP7. Don't push your wants as what everyone else wants.

Consumers didn't want that, technology grew more and more and the manufactures pushed that. Nobody complained, faster cpu and more memory should mean faster and better performance. But at the same time, people need to realize that the WP7 userbase isn't the same as the Android userbase.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kawgirlval69:
i see someone is spouting b/s to make themselves not feel so inferior...