yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
OK, let's go :-)

1. I use Wolfbreak's ROM, 3.9 features update as it includes tun.ko (once istalled I fall back to 3.9 stable version so tun.ko is still there) - @Z please post install package of tun.ko for Xrec as separate download, so anybody can try on his ROM.

2. installed openvpn installer and openvpn setting,

3. used instructions (not all as I dont have adb shell) from http://code.google.com/p/android-openvpn-installer/issues/detail?id=2#c30, anyway below is my way:

-on PC downloaded http://github.com/downloads/fries/android-external-openvpn/openvpn-static.bz2

- on PC I've unarchived (7zip) downloaded openvpn-static.bz2, and renamed to openvpn, then moved openvpn to root of sdcard

(next part done at X10)

- under terminal, used su do to gain root access,

- mounted /system as rw (mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system)

- then linked /system/xbin as /system/xbin/bb (ln -s /system/xbin /system/xbin/bb)

- renamed openvpn to openvpn.old (mv /system/xbin/openvpn as /system/xbin/openvpn.old)

- moved downloaded openvpn to right place (mv /sdcard/openvpn /system/xbin)

- applied execute bit to openpn (chmod +x /system/xbin/openvpn)

- launched OpenVPN settings, edited and finetuned my config file and hell yeah... it worked

One note, if you can't connect at first time, use terminal to launch openvpn (/system/xbin/openvpn --config /sdcard/openvpn/your_conf_file.ovpn) and check whats the problem (when you launch from Openvpnsetting it doesn't have logfile or I'm to lazy/stupid to find it :-) )

And always remember, use GOOGLE search, it doesn't bite and its your best friend!!!

Hope it helped...

EDIT:

@Z - one thought, maybe you can prepare openvpn install package for Xrec so it do all the thigns:

- install tun.ko

- install static openvpn binary in /system/xbin with execute priv (http://github.com/downloads/fries/android-external-openvpn/openvpn-static.bz2)

- link /system/xbin as /system/xbin/bb

so we do not have to install openvpninstaller and do the things manually.

How about that master Z?

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fingerr

hit thanks if you feel excited about this post, LOL ... joke ....
[XPERIA X10 General] zdzihu:
Hi viulian,

I haven't changed anything, it's a clean build from zKernel sources (latest SE sources - 2.1.A.0.492)

Cheers,

z
[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
Hi, I followed your steps and still cannot connect to vpn. I use proxpn, hostizzle and raptorvpn these vpns works in froyo/cm6 from wb before:)

Got this error on the openvpn log:

Tue Aug 16 13:59:46 2011 us=590328 Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/tun: No such file or directory (errno=2)

Tue Aug 16 13:59:46 2011 us=590390 Note: Attempting fallback to kernel 2.2 TUN/TAP interface

Tue Aug 16 13:59:46 2011 us=594923 MANAGEMENT: Client disconnected

Tue Aug 16 13:59:46 2011 us=609018 Cannot allocate TUN/TAP dev dynamically

Tue Aug 16 13:59:46 2011 us=609169 Exiting
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
Sad to hear that. Have you tried to launch openvpn from terminal as I mentioned? What messages from openvpn are saying? PM me output from OpenVPN when its connecting and I'll check when I have spare time. (I have 4 days old, yes four days old, daughter and not much time ATM...)

EDIT:

ok, try this settings in Openvpnsettings:

go to advanced and under TUN module settings:

- Load module using: choose insmod

- Path to tun module: put "/system/lib/modules/tun.ko"

Hope it'll help.

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fingerr
[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
tried that but still the same error on cannot allocate TUN/TAP dev dynamically also i checked the tun.ko file in /system/lib/modules directory and there is no such file.
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
Please find attached zipped tun.ko . Unzip and put on sdcard, then follow my guide to mount /system in rw mode and after that do in trerminal:

- su

- cd /system/lib/modules

- mv /sdcard/tun.ko ./

- chmod +x tun.ko

and try if things are working.

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[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
tried it and the error is now on ifconfig. see attached openvpn log:(
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
strange, I use my company's openvpn server and during connection I can't see messages beginning with "MANAGEMENT:", second thing I've noticed is

mine ifconfig command during initiating connection looks like this:

/system/xbin/bb/ifconfig tun0 172.19.1.17 pointopoint 172.19.1.18 mtu 1500

and yours says:

/system/xbin/bb/ifconfig tun0 173.0.8.236 netmask 255.255.255.0 mtu 1500 broadcast 173.0.8.255

Maybe this is a cause?

Please can you check if executing in termianal (as 'su'):

/system/xbin/bb/ifconfig

gives any output.

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[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
there is no ifconfig on /system/xbin/bb also in /system/xbin since they are linked. I found out that ifconfig and route are in /system/bin.

i used all my vpn and they have the same error on ifconfig failed could not execute external program
[XPERIA X10 General] alamatnitotoy:
jimbo doesnt possess x10 anymore.

try this..it work fine with me.

quoted from jimbo from pm
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
I was right about to ask about busybox, nice tip.

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[XPERIA X10 General] jojo1212:
i took the tun.ko file from fingerr

downloaded the openvpn files from the first post

then i replaced the tun.ko file with fingerr;s tun.ko file

did everything as told in first post

and now its workin like it used to with stock 2.3.3

hope this helps

if openvpn setting program got connected and your net didnt work

try reseting the DNS fron openvpn settings app
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
Just to be clear, tun.ko comes from Wolfbreak's V3.9 feastures update, but primarly it was from Z's MOD.

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[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
Ok.thanks for the help guys. I already flash my phone with z's cm 7 rom. I will try to link the busybox to xbin/bb/route and ifconfig.
[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
Got it working. Thanks guys for the help. Using it right now.hehe
[XPERIA X10 General] jojo1212:
thanks to the threee of you :)
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
You're welcome :-)

Just hit 'Thanks' button, it was designed for it :-)

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[XPERIA X10 General] SolidStar:
works great for me nice work ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Dogmaster2:
A bit of help?

Hello

Im pretty new with all this, so im hoping someone can help me.

I used the newest tun.ko module that was posted and all the instructions in the first post. Then tried using openvpn and although it would connect and say I was using a new IP, the traffic wouldnt be routing through it.

So then I saw using a root explorer that route was not visible in xbin/bb altough if I tried creating the symbolic link again it wouldnt let me, saying the file existed.

Figuring that was the problem I deleted both route and ifconfig from xbin/bb and reinstalled busybox so it was on bin instead of xbin (the first time I modified the instrucions on the first post to point to xbin). I also reinstalled vpn settings.

Now I can follow all the instructions exactly as in the first post, but in VPN settings, it will tell me it did not find the binary in the path I gave it (/system/xbin/openvpn) altough I can browse to the directory and can clearly see it...

Anyone can lend a hand? Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] hessfer:
this is great, tnx mate
[XPERIA X10 General] jimbo77:
OP Updated with Working Tun.ko for Gingerbread 2.3.3 :)

Thanks to donnors :)!

J!M
[XPERIA X10 General] WindGhost:
Hey, nice work.But I cannot access dropbox to download openvpn settings.Can you please upload them to mediafire?
[XPERIA X10 General] jimbo77:
Done! Mirror to Mediafire added... :)
[XPERIA X10 General] barath_000:
great..........,
[XPERIA X10 General] madara11:
nice.. thanks!
[XPERIA X10 General] pinginn:
Android 2.3.5 T***N MiUi ;) mod needs to be recompile?

# busybox insmod tun.ko

busybox insmod tun.ko

insmod: can't insert 'tun.ko': invalid module format

#

pOS Android 2.3.5

MiUi Version 1.8.19

Kernel 2.6.29-00054-g5f01537

BB 2.1.71

BusyBox v1.15.3

# cat /proc/version

cat /proc/version

Linux version 2.6.29-00054-g5f01537 (SEMCUser@SEMCHost) (gcc version 4.4.3 (GCC)

) #1 PREEMPT Sun Jun 19 22:24:46 2011

hope this helps port to 2.3.5 thx
[XPERIA X10 General] WindGhost:
I think this is due to that the ROM already has tun.ko
[XPERIA X10 General] jimbo77:
Hmmmm... Well first i'll start by asking you my friend what tun.ko are you using.. The original one? or the one for 2.3.3 Update?

In the case you're using 2.3.3 Update, then the problem is within the tun.ko since it was compiled using the latest kernel source that came with the update...

I think T***N Miui uses the previous kernel as per the quoute...

So you'll have to use the "Original" one, that was working for the 2.1 & 2.2 ROMS...

Let me know if that works ok?

J!M
[XPERIA X10 General] khelwani:
It didn't work for me,

Rom : 2.3 WB v4.03

Busybox : v1.17

and i'm using the new tun.ko

# busybox insmod /sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko

busybox insmod /sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko

insmod: can't insert '/sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko': File exists

but there isn't any tun.ko in the xbin/bin folders (using rootexplorer) ,,,

i'm familiar with openVPN, I used to get it work on all 2.1 Roms, So please help !
[XPERIA X10 General] khelwani:
I restarted my phone and found tun.ko in the xbin folder,,, everything is set and done, but in the openvpn client seems like it doesn't pass the "wait" status to get "connected" ,, what to do ?
[XPERIA X10 General] WindGhost:
I think out ISP in Syria blocks the connection to the server...

I've got an error (tls-error).
[XPERIA X10 General] khelwani:
Thanks for your replay :)

I thought of this too,, and I got the same error too (tls-error)

this is really annoying me, no market at all :(
[XPERIA X10 General] pinginn:
$ su

su

# find /* |grep "tun.ko"

find /* |grep "tun.ko"

/mnt/sdcard/xrecovery/vpn/tun.ko

find: /proc/2506: No such file or directory

find: /proc/2542: No such file or directory

#

there is no tun.ko other than the one i have copyed to my sdcard so i do not think tun.ko is in that rom by default.

#:#Edit

ok

that one im gessing is for the 2.1.* kern and that worked for me and enabled the 3squear Asettings

#:# Edit #2

ok after installing the kern mod etc etc i tryed adding the .opvn && the certs an im not sure whats going on but cant set the dir to the ca cert user cert an there no option i see for the opvn i took sum photos to kinda show what im talking about anyway thx for the help so far.

http://xdaforums.com/album.php?albumid=4619
[XPERIA X10 General] Tingles:
Hey Guys great work on this thread I have added everything and it has worked great...Although there isn't much talk about "Static or Dynamic IP"

I have a Static IP and edited the connection parameters in the client.ovpn to connect directly to my VPN:

client

dev tun

proto tcp

remote StaticIP(the address to your server on port) 1194

resolv-retry infinite

nobind

persist-key

persist-tun

ca ca.crt

cert client1.crt

key client1.key

ns-cert-type server

cipher AES-128-CBC

comp-lzo

verb 4

I have a lynksys router with Tomato firmware with VPN Tunneling and a Static IP so the need for a redirect from "no-ip" or the host mentioned earlier at freeopenvpn.com aren't necessary unless your IP address changes (is Dynamic). Hope this is useful. I did use the tools from openvpn to learn and try things out and it was a great read...now if I can find the link I will post if needed.
[XPERIA X10 General] ChilliBo:
1. Have SuperUser Access (ROOT). DONE

2. Install Busybox from within the Android Market (Version 1.17).[Mandatory] (got 1.17.1 .. What is Mandatory???)

UPDATE!!!

[*] Added Tun.ko Working for Android 2.3.3 Update.. Thanks to gergnz copied and paste to openvpn folder

3. Download and unzip this file in the root of your SDCARD DONE

4. Install OpenVPN Settings from within the Android Market. DONE

5. Install Android Terminal Emulator from within the Android Market. DONE

Procedure:

1. Open Android Terminal Emulator and issue the following Commands: DONE

Code:

mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock2 /system DONE

busybox insmod /sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko insmod: can't insert '/sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko': invalid module format

im on WB rom 4.0.4 with custom kernel.. is it because of custom kernel??

where i need to install busybox??

/system/xbin/ or

/system/bin/ ?
[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
anyone got wlod when running openvpn on wb 4.0.4s rom?
[XPERIA X10 General] hafezs:
hello,

it is connected but the web browser do not redirect to freeopenvpn in order to activate the service.

in Android Terminal Emulator i got the follow:

$ export PATH=/data/local/bin:$PATH

$mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock2 /system

busybox insmod /sdcard/openvpn/mount: Operation not permitted

tun.ko

busybox cp /sdcard/openvpn/openvpn /system/xbin/openvpn

busybox cp /sdcard/openvpn/openvpn /system/xbin/tun.ko

chmod 700 /system/xbin/openvpn

mkdir /system/xbin/bb

busybox ln -s /system/bin/busybox /system/xbin/bb/ifconfig

busybox ln -s /system/bin/busybox /system/xbin/bb/route

reboot

$ $ insmod: can't insert '/sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko': Operation not permitted

$ cp: can't create '/system/xbin/openvpn': File exists

$ cp: can't create '/system/xbin/tun.ko': Read-only file system

$ Unable to chmod /system/xbin/openvpn: Read-only file system

$ mkdir failed for /system/xbin/bb, Read-only file system

$ ln: /system/xbin/bb/ifconfig: No such file or directory

$ ln: /system/xbin/bb/route: No such file or directory

$ $ reboot: Operation not permitted

$

please help.
[XPERIA X10 General] Grallius:
Can some one make an uptade.zip for free openVPN connexion on x10 ?

Please
[XPERIA X10 General] djgel:
I have a same error :

busybox insmod /sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko insmod: can't insert '/sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko': invalid module format

Use a 4.0.4c too ... Anyone get solution ?

Anyone can create a xrec pack to install a openvpn in 4.0.4c ?

Tks!
[XPERIA X10 General] djgel:
Hi ...

I try and find solution ...

For Custom Kernels (4.0.4c for example) only need this operation:

busybox cp /sdcard/openvpn/openvpn /system/xbin/openvpn

busybox cp /sdcard/openvpn/openvpn /system/xbin/tun.ko

chmod 700 /system/xbin/openvpn

mkdir /system/xbin/bb

busybox ln -s /system/bin/busybox /system/xbin/bb/ifconfig

busybox ln -s /system/bin/busybox /system/xbin/bb/route

after ... Config Openvpn setting, but not need enable load tun module ...

In config, use:

dev tap

Not tun!
[XPERIA X10 General] madara11:
will this work if i use zkernel?
[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
Got it working in wb 4.0.4c with enabled tun module in the openvpn settings.
[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
yup it will work.
[XPERIA X10 General] madara11:
but i got this error

busybox insmod /sdcard/openvpn/mount: Operation not permitted

tun.ko

how can i configure openvpn settings? where is tun.ko?
[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
type this on your terminal emulator:

which openvpn

if there is an output saying /system/xbin/openvpn, it means that openvpn is installed.

After that try to search for your tun.ko file using the terminal emulator again:

find . -name tun.ko

it must return a value stating the location of the file if there is none then you must download the tun.ko on the 1st page.
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
Hi all,

anyone got it working under 4.0.4 stock?

I can see that tun.ko is loaded after system is started but when I type 'rmmod tun' I get WLOD :-(

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[XPERIA X10 General] madara11:
i'm on TEAM ROM and zkernel for stock.. but after i type this

busybox insmod /sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko - invalid module format

please help.. thanks.
[XPERIA X10 General] donmarquis:
No It just gives you a tunnel ( where you can do all your secret stuff ;) ) You got to have internet for this to work !!!!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] oct_7:
Keep rebooting

Hi,

I followed the steps to enable the openVPN on my x10 (WB 2.3.3 v5 on stock rom), but whenever I enable openVPN from openVPN settings, my phone just keeps rebooting.

I downloaded the new tun.ko from OP, but when I executed: busybox insmod /sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko, I got error with message: "file exists". I executed "find . -name tun.ko", and I found 2 copies: /sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko and /system/lib/modules/2.6.29-00054-g5f01537/tun.ko.

Also, the command from OP, "busybox cp /sdcard/openvpn/openvpn /system/xbin/tun.ko", is it correct? Or, it should be "busybox cp /sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko /system/xbin/tun.ko"? Anyway, I tried both and my phone keeps rebooting.

Appreciate any help to resolve this.

Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] efx456:
Same problem here. My phone keeps rebooting. I tried tun.ko in the first post and the one included in the WB V6 ROM. Can someone help?
[XPERIA X10 General] donmarquis:
Well it doesnt matter whether you have 2 files its all about the path you set in open Vpn settings
[XPERIA X10 General] oct_7:
Well, I followed the guide, and configured it to use /sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko. I am just wondering if failing at the busybox insmod command caused the error. Do you get it working on your x10?
[XPERIA X10 General] chauhanjayc:
Can any dev make a flashable zip if possible foe this

As the work Show there is very hard

To do
[XPERIA X10 General] madara11:
same here...
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
Hello again,

I've just got it working. Here is what I've done:

- removed tun.ko from /system/lib/modules/2.6.29/...

- rebooted phone

- installed openvpn in xbin from https://market.android.com/details?id=de.akvsoft.droid.ovpninstall

- downloaded tun.zip from my post on page 6

- unzipped

- insmod ./tun.ko

- openvpn --config /sdcard/openvpn/my.vpn

and it's working, hope it'll help you too. Good luck guys.

EDIT: Just checked OpenvpnSettings and it works fine. In settings check to load tun.ko before connection, and in module strony choose insmod as loading method, provide full path tun downloaded and unzipped tun.ko.

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[XPERIA X10 General] geewiz017:
hi, I've some questions regarding to the code below..

-i dont see this path /dev/block/mtdblock2

-i just have /dev/block

will i create the folder mtdblock2?

another:

-if i will browse this path i can't see the tun.ko instead i will see another folder name openvpn

will i change it to /sdcard/openvpn/openvpn/tun.ko?

Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] efx456:
Thanks fingerr. What firmware are you using? I am going to try this on WB's V6s firmware.
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
it should be:

- mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system

if you don't have/see devices under /dev/block/ i can't help you, sorry. It should be there by default.

the path should point to tun.ko you've downloaded.

I use /sdcard/openvpn/tun.ko

Hope it helped.

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---------- Post added at 11:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:43 AM ----------

I'm on v6_stock.

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[XPERIA X10 General] kraven0731:
Guys, need your help. Before I was in Wolf's V6s and the openvpn is working but now I upgraded to Wolf's V7s and the openvpn is causing WLOD. It has this status -> WAIT->AUTH->GET CONFIG->then WLOD.
[XPERIA X10 General] fingerr:
I've updated to v7b6_stock and have no problem. I haven't changed anything after update, only reinstalled openvpn.

p.s.

I've tried freekernel but haven't found working tun.ko

Best regards,

fingerr.
[Galaxy 3 General] greglord:
Hi,

I haven't found a similar problem, that's why i'm opening a thread here. I haven't done any unusual changes to the 2.1 that was already on device (no root, no sys file changes, nothing).

The phone reboots at least 2-3 times per day. Every time I check it (when it does that), it asks for PIN. So instead of working properly, all I see is ENTER PIN screen.

Anyone else having similar problems? How could I find out what is causing this?

thank you for replies.
[Galaxy 3 General] astuermer:
I've got the same problem here.

I've read somewhere, that upgrading to the unofficial Froyo Rom solves that problem. But not confirmed so far...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ergosteur:
Hello,

So I did something stupid. Not sure what, but I managed to get my phone into a state where NO shell commands work other than cd and su.

./adb shell

$ su

# ls

# top

# free

free: not found

# cat

# df

# more

more: not found

# less

less: not found

# busybox

busybox: not found

# sh

# ssh

ssh: not found

# vi

vi: not found

#

The phone is a Motorola MB502 (Charm), rooted using Universal Androot 1.63.

Currently running the stock Telus ROM (don't really have a choice there...)

Any way I can get this working ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] burtcom:
There is a market app that will attempt to install busybox, if you want to try that.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ergosteur:
Do you mean

stericson.busybox ?

because I can't seem to find it on the market, and can't use MarketEnabler since my shell is broken.

With a bit of searching I noticed that all the files in /system/bin seem to be 0-byte files. Perhaps someone who has a Charm could post these files?

$adb pull /system/bin/top

$ls -l

total 0

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2011-01-18 17:25 top

$
[Droid X General] wtivey:
My DX lock screen just froze, I can't get it to do anything; it won't turn off...nothing happens when I hit any of the buttons. I downloaded Liberty 1.0 a couple of days ago. Does any know what to do??
[Droid X General] robertwhitten87:
Have you tried to pull the battery? I can't help you about what caused the error, but that should at least reboot the phone.
[Droid X General] wtivey:
nvm, i just figured out how to take the battery out. problem solved
[Droid X General] wtivey:
yeah I took it out and it worked...i didn't know i could pull the battery but I figured out how to do it
[Droid X General] robertwhitten87:
yeah, it's the simplest solution to problems like that. Just be careful not to do that while flashing roms. Even if the rom seems to be stuck. It's best to wait at least 15-30 mins.
[Droid X General] wtivey:
What do you mean "flashing ROM?"
[Droid X General] robertwhitten87:
The term flashing is basically installing a new rom onto the phone.

I'm use to the computer terms where cmos bios chips were fproms and installing new firmware was called "Flashing"
[Droid X General] Fire Marshal:
Just be very careful with your phone. The terms that describe specific actions are golden on these types of forums. If you don't understand the terminology, please double check everything before you proceed with changing things on your phone. I know it is a fun world to play in, but one bad move can ruin your device. I'm not trying to be mean or to discourage you, I just want to make sure you have a fun and safe time without having to reprogram everything because of one "minor" mistake. We all started where you are now, so we understand the mysterious world. Just stay safe out there, friend. :)
[Nexus S General] DJTaurus:
Please someone post all the places (in new orleans) if it is possible in order to purchase NS :o
[Nexus S General] mrnexus:
You have to order it online like I did no stores here have it

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] simplyatbliss:
Hi, I live in New Orleans. They have it at the Best Buy in Metairie on Veterans. I just bought one yesterday. You could always just call the stores before going out.
[Desire HD Accessories] nm8:
Just tried my CA-101 cable that came with my nokia X6 with my DHD, and it works, I was able to sync etc...
[Desire HD Accessories] dazultra2000:
Wooohooo!!
[Desire HD Accessories] olivierlee:
Any micro USB cable should work.
[Desire HD Accessories] leppie:
Funny how people are surprised by this fact... DOH :p
[Desire HD Accessories] nm8:
I always though the contacts have different configs.
[Desire HD Accessories] sean2390:
Yeah, but a standardised micro usb will be the same between makes and models.
[Desire HD Accessories] sengork:
Yes, and thank you EU for mandating this from mobile phone manufacturers. Standard charging and data cable finally.
[Desire HD Accessories] s0litaire:
I've used the USB-socket adapter and cable from my kindle to charge my DHD

and my old Nokia CA-101 to charge both my kindle and my HDH via my PC

and i've used my DHD usb cable and adapter to charge my kindle... >_<

Sort of mix-and-match recharging solutions... (no bangs or meltdowns yet...) ^_^ lol