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[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Parsian86:
The way I see it:

This community and the readers are the one who have spent their time to make their phone compatible with Microsoft so they can use MICROSOFT more. They are saving Microsoft marketing money and expanding its share and generate revenue through apps for them.

Microsoft has always been smart with this. They let the piracy of Windows in ASIA to slit through on basis of expansion of market share. Microsoft should know better than anybody else, why most of the planet use windows,

Microsoft has got the label of M$ but in all fairness, they have been nice considering the power and their dominance. They have special discounts for students, their OS provides the opportunity for people to build any system they want at very very affordable costs.

Their Windows Mobile 7 app development kit virtually has made it simple for app developers to develop apps and make money.

(obviously, they win but at the same time, reduces the production budget for start up folks)

I bought 4 copies of Windows 7 PRO x64 through student discount. Who else would give me so much discount to enable me to buy so many fantastic products?

sorry for the rant and fanboyism. I thought it was justified.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] pteradactyle:
ever thought that maybe they don't know about the hd2 running wp7, my friend had to contact ms for activation for his hd7...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Parsian86:
They know, when i called, she immediately, out of context brought up the question: "Your phone is a HTC?"

And i swear to the flying spaghetti monster, that i could sense laughter at me in her tone for me acting like a dumb**** and my story...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DennisCSUF:
It is an HTC phone :confused:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] pablo71:
laughter in the background when I called

When I called I heard laughter in the background, other phone reps were laughing amongst each other, and this got louder after the rep I was talking to said he had to "put me on hold while he generated an activation key for me."

So, call me 'paranoid' but I think MS not only knows about this, but they've been expecting it and have been waiting for it a long time and are absolutely confortable with a bunch of HD2ey's running around talking about how 'badass' windows phone 7 is. I would go so far as to say that 'the day they scrapped the plan for the hd2 to get a free upgrade' that they knew we would all be calling them and 'pretending we own HD7's'. This leads me to believe that not only are they going to gladly hand out activation keys for us, but they must get a real kick out of all our 'obvious lies' when we call them. The reps probably share the 'funniest lies' from the 'dorkiest guys' over coffee breaks (well, actually when I called it sounded like they were just gonna makes jokes right when I was on the line ... May their kittens turn into puppies for laughing at Lord High Pablosovich!!)

don't they also make money off of the apps we get through the appstore?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] voiceofid:
no issues during my activation call, the lady was polite on the phone and put me on hold to generate the code. she did not ask me for my imei, all she asked was my live id
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DennisCSUF:
Yes and the games, I just bough 40.00 dollars worth of crap off Zune Marketplace (mostly games).
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] wineds:
I think 1, 2 and 3. Why does it just have to be one reason? I also think they are treating this a bit like the Windows 7 Beta program trial where you could run it for a while but then have buy it when the trail expires. So be careful not to get too attached to WP7 or you may find yourself forking out for a new HD7 some time in the future :p
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Parsian86:
I will pay for it. THE PROBLEM IS, the option is NOT available.

thats why i think Microsoft should just enjoy people doing free things for benefit of Microsoft. THat is, putting WP7 on their phone to contribute to MS by market place and advertisement...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TheOnly1:
Just to clarify again. Contrary to popular belief MS are not a bunch of retards :D They know about XDA and they monitor the site.

Some folks at MS Bulgaria are even flashing their work phones with ROM's from here :D And the news that the HD2 is running WP7 is all aver the net anyway. The big sites like Engadget covered the story and reported about the way how to activate Live on the phone. If MS wanted to stop this, they would have stopped issuing codes last friday. They are still giving out codes, so apparently they don't have a problem with us for now.

And why shlould they have a problem anyway? Just imagine the situation: MS shuts down 10 000 HD2's using WP7 and as a result all the folks are pissed off, flash back Android and probably never again touch an MS mobile operating system. That would be a famous own goal :p The other path is to support inofficially those 10 000 folks and turn most of them to long term WP7 users and evangelists.

Bear in mind that those 10 000 folks are ALL enthusiasts and ppl who love it to have the latest and hottest stuff in the mobile world.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] pablo71:
Good for you. If I can get my wifi to work on wp7 (I have that 'password incorrect' issue when trying to connect) I myself am going to buy a couple games at least. I'm looking forward to it actually... I hope someone comes up with that wifi fix soon so I can give MS some M$
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DanielNTX:
I don't think this will end up so funny in the end... I just posted this in another thread...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] zkid2010:
This is actually the third thread I've seen you spam this in, and I just can't be bothered to check and see if there are any more. But 3 is definitely bordering on spam IMNSHO.

Look bro, everyone and I mean everyone around XDA knows they take chances when messing with their phones. Who you tryin to save or better yet, tryin to scare?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DanielNTX:
Listen bro, I'm not trying to spam. I'm spreading the word that facing any type of lawsuit is not fun. Most of the instructions say just call them up but don't warn about the consequences.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TheOnly1:
Huh. What damage could you have inflicted on MS? What's the end user price for a WP7 license? :cool: MS never asked me what phone I have. Some ppl that were asked even honestly said (look at other thread!) that they have the HD2 still and got the codes.

Not to mention that if they do something to your live account you could even sue them :) Take a closer look at the box of your HD2. Do you see the Windows Phone logo on the side? Not Windows Mobile but Windows Phone. What OS are you running at the moment? Windows Phone is my wild guess :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DanielNTX:
There is no end user price for a WP7 license. The SKU doesn't exist. However it's estimated to the cost of the manufacturer to be $15 per handset for Windows Phone 7 according to this Gizmodo article.

HD2's were licensed with Windows Mobile 6.5, so there is potential loss of revenue if HD2's have unauthorized copies of WP7 running and not forcing users to buy another phone.

Even Dell had to charge for the Axim X5 upgrade from Pocket PC 2002 to 2003. Somebody has to pay for the licensing costs.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TheOnly1:
In theory you are right. In practice such crosschecks are nearly impossible. I'm a business customer of Mobiltel and we have almost 50 SIM's on our contract. Now I personally have 4 handsets with all possible OS's on them. Most ppl in the group have at least 2 as they are also tech ethusiasts. We even have 1 HD7, 1 Mozart and 1 Omnia 7 in the group. How are they going to cross check, if Mobiltel decides to cooperate, although I'm pretty sure they won't, because they will break the General T&C and several bulgarian laws and this will give us the right to cansel our contract immediately :)

Bear also in mind that MS only asked for my landline number. They don't know my mobile number and which carrier I use. It's mission impossible to check all the info in so many different countries and I'm sure they won't bother to do it anyway.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DanielNTX:
But the IMEI reveals what the device is and what firmware/OS that came with the phone originally is suppose to be on the network. Obviously the cell provider knows the device you are using, but not the OS. But since they know an HD2 is suppose to have 6.5 and you they crosscheck the IMEI to the phone number to your Windows Live ID. It may not be an easy query but a if all the databases with information were available to MS, someone could do a cross-db join and link the information in a query.

Let's say MS wins a motion in court to subpoena all TMOUS HD2's info from Tmobile US and goes after individual users. I think we'd all be kinda f-ed. Damages, penalties and court cost. It's much like Comcast giving out info to the MPAA when subpoenaed.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] zkid2010:
No, no they don't. Couple of things; first, I have several devices including a G2 so my carrier can't nail down with any certainty anymore what I'm using at any given time. Heck on the acct admin page, *I* have to change my profile phone model after an upgrade that's how much they care.

Next, I haven't verified it yet because I'm not going to flash the stock rom back for the time being, but the code generated by the dialpad code the rep asked me to key while activating - I'm most certain is NOT the same as the IMEI I've ref'd when getting legit OTA/official Winmo 6.5 ROM updates from my carrier or via HTC for the HD2.

Again, I don't get you're out to give friendly warnings as much as you are trying to scare people who don't know any better. If you don't want to flash it, cool, but just go away and let the rest of us rap about the experience, bugs, and helpful information.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DanielNTX:
On my carriers, they do know what I'm running. Not at the exact second but by the time six hours passes, the webpage is updated. Even AT&T mass IMEI banned the beta Dell Streaks. I'm not trying to scare, but you are probably breaking the law if you are requesting a Windows Phone 7 Live ID activation PVK code especially if you are misappropriating your device as an HD7. Like I said before, people are just blindly doing this without being warned of the consequences. If what my friend at Harte-Hanks says is true, the consequences are gonna be bad.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] zkid2010:
LOLwot? so you'd like a disclaimer? :D I see what you're trying to do but really you should relax and not panic.

I'd bet MS is more concerned with spending valuable resources working to improve WP7 first which in future OTA's or otherwise, they could then easily break any previous root/cloud hacks. MS is a money company and while in the midst of launching their first real contender in the smartphone market, I just don't see as likely them wanting to start suing or cease and desisting a bunch of enthusiasts who by having an HD2 already own a Windows phone and not say an Incredible running WP7 :D

We'll see though but really, relax some lol

ps - fixed your misappropriation of the word 'misappropriating' ;)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] trkwch:
Awesome statement my friend

Im absolutely addicted to my phone and its capabilities .. true enthusiasts indeed . I never new how much i would enjoy the OS until this capability came to light and I think it would be great to be able to continue on as the pioneering phone community that is HD2

i was under the impression we would receive an update to the firmware any way. microsoft should ride the wave in a similar fashion to android and allow its nucleus of savvy users to carry on promoting and tempting the general public to new things.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] williamsean:
Came back on my opinion...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] jojosplace:
How? When I took out my contract with Vodafone I gota Sony Ericsson x10. I went between that and an x1. I eventually I sold the x10 for the HD2. I don't have insurance with them and if I have to call them regarding price plans/coverage/etc they always assume I still have an x10 as that is what they sold me.

How are they going to know what device I use?

As zkid2010 stated before I also have to amend my own details on my carriers website when I log in if I change phone, and even then the don't have all phone model listed to mine is marked as 'HTC' (after me amending it from x10).
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Marvlesz:
^^ I agree with you.

But actually I've read somewhere here at xda these two cases :

-Someone called MS to get an activation code for his HD2, but rather than saying having an HD7 he went the honest way and told the representive that he really had an HD2. And the representive was kind and generated a code for him.

-Someone else called and told the agent he had an HD2 and he need a code to activate it. The Agent denied his requested explaining the HD2 wasn't meant to run WP7 thus he can't generate a code for him.

We can understand from the first case that MS doesn't care if we flashed WP7 or not ? or it might be preparing something in the next update so it wouldn't matter whether a code was generated for an HD2 or not. (or maybe he was just lucky for calling an unconcerned agent ? )

From the second one we see MS's real feelings toward flashing WP7 on the HD2 .

I choose the third option .
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] myself11:
I don't understand all the bashing on DanielNTX statement. It's just another view on the issue and I trully don't think that MS is directed by butterflies that love and support WP7 on HD2 :p

If MS doesn't want too many troubles, it would instruct their offices to difficult the access to live keys and on the next update of WP7 there will be a fix for this.

But they might want to go "legal". Regarding this possibility, there's some things on DanielNTX's statement that I don't agree, but ok, MS might think this way. For instance:

- "based on the phone number given on the support call": on the support call, they asked for a contact number, not for the phone number of the WP7 device;

- "cross-checked with the service provider based on the device reported by the cell service provider": yes, I called from my number and my HD2, that doesn't mean I don't own a HD7 (or an Iphone 3GS) on another operator(s).

With these arguments, they might reach some HD2 user, as well legit WP7 users.

I think the only way is to cross the activated live code, with the IMEI and the phone number on that phone, but I don't know if they can do this.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] homer.web:
I think, that this could be the one of the reasons for giving the activation codes. More WP7 outhere = more people will see it/want it. If you get used to, and suddenly it will be killed by an update or what so ever, you probably would go out and buy a new one. Also if you guys have it, dont you show it to your friends and say: "Hey, look what Ive got, what a great phone"? I have an HD7 and I have "converted" my old HD2 to WP7 for my girlfriend. She is amazed, she loves the phone (before she had latest official HTC ROM on it) and guess what? She shows it to all of her girlfriends and coleguegs at work and they are amazed as well.

So if I put it straight: if the HD2 would be killed I am going to buy her a new phone with WP7... I'd have to... :D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] homer.web:
Have you ever been in east europe, middle east or asia? try go there and do the query of anything... :D:D:D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Lynehammike:
If I got cut off - I wouldn't be too upset. With WP7 I am using Windows Live, Bing, Zune and the Market (though I am holding of buying apps for a little while!) Really I am enjoying WP7 - I show it off to my friends and show case some of the cool features. It is a bit of a win for Microsoft to have advocates for their services and promoting them for free.

If they decide to cut off my services - I would switch back over to Android/gmail/etc and probably commit to using their platform. It is nice to have a top notch back up!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] ultramag69:
To be completely honest, M$ would be idiotic to pursue HD2 owners legally. Here we are promoting their WP7 OS. I know I've shown off to workmates, friends and family.

Leaving us with their OS means that there are that many more people showing off their new toy... Word of mouth about WP7 not to mention showing off its features should be worth more to M$ than sueing 10000+ HD2 owners...

They make a large portion of cash back from marketplace too.

Also, when I activated my account they didn't give a rats bum about my IMEI... Home phone, name and hotmail account to activate.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] craig.buckie:
It does. I've never noticed that.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Pica_Man:
If you look at the activation thread, there are still people today being given activation codes with no hassle. If they were really bothered, if they were going to go legal with this, they would have clamped down on this by now.

I really don't think MS are too bothered about pursuing a smallish sub-set of HD2 owners who are also the WinMo die-hards who have been keeping them in business all of these years.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Marvlesz:
or maybe they're preparing something big ? (Like somehow tracing those HD2 users and getting them banned off Live services ? )

Who knows ? :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mystik610:
I personally don't think MS cares. These hacked HD2's make up a small minority of the total WP7 devices out there.

Besides, MS doesn't make its money off the individually copies of WP7 out there...they make their money licensing WP7 to handset manufacturers (they're the ones getting screwed). If anything, we're generating more revenue for MS, as many of us who wouldn't have been on WP7 had it not been for this hack are likely to spend money in their marketplace.

If anything this is also a great little marketing opportunity for them. It gives some pretty savvy users an opportunity to use the OS, and potentially buy another WP7 device in the future. I can personally say that I'd be apt to buying a true WP7 device one day!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] backlashsid:
Joe Belfiore needs to come here and take a look...:D:D:D

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/joeb/
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Pica_Man:
who is joe belfiore? thats just a link to a picture of chachi from happy days.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] backlashsid:
Joe Belfiore :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

daddy of WP7 !!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] nova hands:
T-Mobile still thinks I'm using a jailbroken iPhone.

Not sure how MS would ever know if I was using an HD2 or HD7.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Pica_Man:
only kidding, he's the bomb.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TheOnly1:
Maybe a little off-topic:

Today I recieved an invitation from MS to take part in a Customer Satisfaction Survey regarding...Windows Phone 7 activation and the support I got from their representative :D

Needless to say I gave the guy max.notes and hope he gets promoted soon because he was really helpfull :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] emigrating:
It's actually quite simple - the phone knows what IMEI it has. There are dll's on the phone which lets you read the IMEI (and IMSI). From the IMEI you can tell what manufacturer and model phone is used, from the IMSI you can tell _who_ is using it.

If Microsoft wanted to they could include code in an update to kill off all IMEIs identifying as an HD2. If they wanted to take it further they could include code to send the IMSI home before killing the phone and they could use said IMSI to find out exactly who you are (as long as it's not a burner - which are becoming harder and harder to come by these days).

That said, as long as everyone plays nice and purchase apps/games rather than pirate them I don't necessarily see why MS will do any of this. They make a 30% cut of all marketplace sales as well as a significant cut on all in-app advertisements you see.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] StuartMaher:
Seriously, what part of a couple of thousand serious windows phone enthusiasts running around showing all the apple clones and google droids how utterly awesome WP7 is bad for microsofts buisness.

When it comes down to it, if we got a HD2 in the first place, it shows we are comitted to winMo by the fact we went out and got the biggest bestest phone on the OS (even if since we've flashed it to other things). We are the people Miscrosoft want as early adopters to their fledgling OS as we will wax lyrical about it to other people. However, most of us cna't have it yet as we are locked mid contract (December for me) so when the apple and android people look at the WInMo lovers phone, they see substandard 6.5 or someone who has given up waiting and ported android.

Now they have a legion of advocates happily and proudly sticking there phone under all the stuck up iphone user noses showing them how slick, polished and responsive WP7 is and whilst the app count is still small comparitivley, most the key ones are there (Don;t worry, soon the Wp7 market place will have 10,000 different 79p apps to make your £500 smartphone fart too!).

We are Microsofts new marketing machine... get to it!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Callumpy:
Exactly, I kinda thought, maybe if we all bought a few games or something, Microsoft would think, hmmm, keep them. But at the moment, I dont want to buy a load of games in case they block my phone or some crap.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] kswissonez:
Well if the would have originally gave the HD2, WP7 from the start it wouldnt be an issue. Not like there is one now, only thing about that is, they will lose sales on HD7's. Microsoft knew the HD2's could run WP7. Im thinking they said to "to hell with it, it was gonna happen anyway."

At this point in time, if they shut down live services, a lot of customers will be pissed.

Side note-- I thought it was funny when I called in for my activation code, and as my rep was giving me my code, I heard another rep in the background giving off a code.:D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] StuartMaher:
Only thing stopping me from buying a few games is the lousy 2GB card I have showing full (can't even download Assasin creed). I have a class 2 16GB card that i think will work, but it's only £15 if it doesn't.

When I get that I intend to do some serious game buying!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] ITMedCEO:
More on your point (somewhat). All of this could be why HTC didn't spend alot of energy (which equates to money) on any new high end specs on the HD7. It is the HD2 with new casing - practically! It would however, be interesting to know the production numbers on HD7's vs HD2's being produced today.