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[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DennisCSUF:
Except in the case of the DirecTV they were STEALING the channels/premium boxing payperview events etc (I know this for a fact since a cousin of mine was messing around with the HU cards for a while). IF we were using the activation code to some how download pay apps as well as music for free off the Zune Marketplace then I can understand why they would go after people. But all you're doing is activating a service that lets you used their marketplace for apps/games and other services etc.

Same story with custom firmware on some xbox 360's. Why haven't they sue a single soul for doing it besides banning people off xbox live? that's as far as Microsoft have gone with that issue.

Thanks for the warning but your friend is over exaggerating.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DanielNTX:
In the DirecTV case, people were being sued for buying security card programmers without proof of them actually using them to STEAL satellite services.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] zkid2010:
They could be compelled to cooperate, but don't think for a moment your carrier is going to willingly start turning over records in an effort to nuke their own (sometimes highly valued) customers. Not gonna happen.

Cool scary story tho bro.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DanielNTX:
I'm just saying be careful here because MS will have information tied to you and what you are trying to do if you decide to do it.

From the http://www.directvdefense.org/ website:

I'm just saying be careful. Even Pocketnow says the same thing essentially:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] silverwind:
The way I see it, the OS WP7 is an intelectual property rights. It is protected by law and it is not an open source.

You have to buy the software (WP7) to use that. It doesnt matter in which handset you use it, htc, samsung, etc.

Just like XP, Win7, etc, you buy the software to use legally. You can buy the branded PC (Acer, HP, Asus, etc), and you can also assemble a PC, but you still have to buy the software/os (XP, Win 7, etc)

So, it is not about using your HD2 for any other OS (WP7), but it is about using the software (WP7) which is legally protected as an intelectual property rights.

It doesnt mean I support microsoft. The fact is that I use WP7 on my HD2 :D

Peace....:)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DanielNTX:
Well we all actually bought Windows Mobile 6.5 software phones, but not Windows Phone 7 software.

It's like saying because you bought Windows for Workgroups 3.11 back in the 90's entitles you to all workstation versions of Windows. This could be true if you are paying for a yearly maintenance fee through Software Assurance. But last I heard there's no SA programs for Windows Mobile / Pocket PC / Windows Phone.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DennisCSUF:
good point except they looked the other way when people where modifying the crap out of WM6.5 hell practicly every single member on this forum have broken the HTC's EULA in one way of another.

Anyways not here to start a piss war if MS decides to suspend my live account it was my choice knowing well the repercussion of my actions at hand. (Then again I can finally cancel my 2 year old Zune Pass as well as my xbox live account :rolleyes:)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DJTJ:
ROFL ... sorry this was a horrible post
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] silverwind:
yeah you are right :D

sorry to scare you :p
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] noris08:
as some of you already said, i belive ms would not be pissed if we buy apps from marketplace

but if they can find a way of tagging our phones as not being wp7 native and together with the info we provided when we asked for activation code, they just have the info about who are the people that are using "pirate" wp7

now this could be a serious motiv for ms to raise legal action against us, forcing us, at least, to drop the wp7 or/and to pay a penalty fee for using wp7

now, they will put in balance how much money could they get from such users buying legal apps fom marketplace and eventualy getting them to buy a native wp7 phone or how much money could they get by forcing those people to pay such penalty

my 2c!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] silverwind:
I get your points. Yes, there is possibility as you said.

But I dont think MS will enforce any action against us.

Why? This kind of activities (hacking window os) has already happened since long time ago.I remembered I flashed my Touch HD with WM 6.5 (energy rom actually;) ) This is the same case as flashing WP7 to your HD2, right?, but MS just keeps silent though they know it (by browsing here at XDA;) )

that 's just my 2 cents :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] noris08:
no, it's not exactly the case:p

when you bought the hd you also bought an wm6.1 license. wm6.5 is just an update of the 6.1, more like a service pack. so, you basicaly have the os you bought with some "enhancements"

but for wp7 you didn't pay anything, on your hd2 you just bought a wm os, not a wp7 os

for me looks like legaly windows xp with some service pack against windows 7

i just hope i am wrong;)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] aenedor:
Phoned this morning, said I was having trouble accessing the market on my 'windows phone 7', person at other end said I needed an activation code and asked for my name, email and number, I gave the real ones and asked for code to be mailed. Code has arrived in mail.

Now to see what happens when the new update of WP7 comes out.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TheATHEiST:
Exactly, its compelte BS. The only way that the carrier could turn over information is IF they themselves may be liable in some way which they are not. If they turn over any sort of personal information without our consent its a breach of the data protect act (at least here in the UK it is) and that is a much higher crime then what we have done (if its a crime at all).

Plus the carrier has no way of knowing what phone we actually have unless they use the IMEI of the phone as a reference which again goes back to personal information and they wouldn't be able to disclose anything without court order and there is no court in the land who would force a UK company to turn over personal information in this case.

The most M$ can do in this situation is to find a way to detect a non-HD7 and to revoke the product key and thus disable activation of live services.

But I really dont think M$ are going to kick all this up, think about it what motivation would they have to piss about? Yeah they didn't want to officially support the HD2 and a port of WP7 etc but that doesn't mean they are also going to actively stop anybody who manages use it in the end it just not worth their while.

Its upto M$ now, they can either screw their supporters or let them be.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] whistler-nl:
I would be surprised if MS would take any action against people using WP7 on their HD2. Been reading the posts in this thread and there are a few things that are'nt accurate i think.

We lied to MS to get the key? You dont know that for a fact as you dont know what the person said to the support guy when he asked for the activation code?

We got a key for WP7? I dont think so, it does'nt say you need the code for the OS, the code is used for Live services.

WP7 is sold with a phone and not seperatly, the company's like HTC, LG and Samsung are the customers as they buy the licenses for the OS?

MS did lie to the general public stating WP7 would not run on any other device? (sue them?).

If we could'nt run it on our phones would you run to the store to buy a WP7 phone? I would not as i only get myself a new phone when i renew my contract.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] silverwind:
I hope you are right ;)

Just a thought, if it was an update/upgrade, then we can download it oficially, right?

As I know, we cant download winmo 6.5 from HTC to upgrade Touch HD.

Back to the point of this threads, I believe MS will not take any action against us, but they might do something to prevent your phone from accessing the services. Before that happens, I really want to get activation code :D and downloading apps as many free apps as I can ROTFL

Cheers
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] noris08:
i disagree with that statement. if your company pays just for windows 7 and then install a windows 2k "pirate" for sure it is ilegal and ms can take actions against your company

about phone manufacturers buying wp7, it seems logical to me that they do buy the os from ms. otherwise why microsoft would bother to develop the os? just for the money they get from marketplace? i don't think so
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TheBeak:
To all of you that said you didn't lie - LOL, you lied by omission. None of us has obtained the necessary code for our HD2 in a way that MS would approve of, if for no other reason than we are running unlicensed copies of WP7. The fact that you have to hack the registry to show a HD7 device is further proof of this.

WP7 is not open source, and we are running unlicensed copies of the software. That part again I'm mostly OK with since its not possible to buy the software as an upgrade or stand alone product. (...or I would have, as I suspect you guys would have as well)

Where I get hung up is the possibility of loosing my live, zune, hotmail etc accounts as a repercussion - similar to how live ID's and consoles get a perminant ban on XBL if a hack is detected.

Iv'e flashed back to 6.5 for now, and will continue to play with android ROM's - but I think I'm going to leave this one alone until my contract renews and I'll pick up an actual HD7.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] ManyPearTree:
Lol, I hope that M$ leaves us be. I would cry as my 3yr XBL, Hotmail, Zune are all tied to this account. :mad:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] amno1970:
I never lied.

I asked them for a key to use WP7 in my device.

They only asked me for the brand. I told them HTC. They never asked for the model... :D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] KrewsialNL:
Yeah right, like MS will check with every provider in the world to see if that happened.

Next to that, I didn't have to give my phone number.

Next to that even, we should stop creating threads like this and just see what happens. We all know exactly what we're doing, porting and using software that is not supposed to be on our phones.

If you get scared or worried, revert to WM6.5 and deal with it.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] homer.web:
They know we lied from the beginning, dont worry... :D:D:D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] silverwind:
Is anybody here worried or scarred? I don't think so;)

Most (if not all) of us, i believe, did not give the real data for open forum like this. We use different identtity in real life. So, it won't worth for MS to chase us :D. just my 2 cents;)

Cheers
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mr_brew:
Final comment: I bought my phone on eBay and don't have a contract so how could they know what phone I have ? It could easily be a hd7.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] KrewsialNL:
Well, looking at the title of this thread alone, and some comments provided by users it almost looks like a form of paranoia hits our user base.

Legal actions, 'lying to microsoft'... come on..
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TheOnly1:
That's from the activation thread and from today :D

I think this clears things up ;)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Idhor Naergon:
Guys, I was reading these posts and thinking to myself... I live in South America, in Brazil in fact, and people here uses everything "pirate", like shirts, pants, bags, even computer OS (of course). I'm the only person I know that bought an original Win7, that I paid R$ 350,00 (about US$ 200,00). Other people are still running their pirate Win7 on their PCs and they are very happy.

Microsoft is not concernt if you are using the WP7 in your HD2. They wanna know if HTC, Samsung or LG are going to launch more devices with their new plataform...

The point is, we are little if compared with the big brands.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] kswissonez:
What are they gonna do? Sue the world?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] makomek:
:eek::eek: WE ALL GONNA BE IN JAIL?:eek::eek::eek::eek:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mike21pr:
XDA Reunion!!!!!! :D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mystik610:
We'll hack our way out.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] jdwrrzmm:
Hack the planet, man.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Blame73:
Yep, I posted that and I confirm I told Italian MS that I had an HTC HD2 and that I installed WP7 on it!

So, finally, I didn't lie and they gave me the code. I even gave them my real name and email, just to be totally honest. They could have even recorded the call, for what I care, I told them the truth

:D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] aboveluna:
dude no way microsoft gonna sue our ass!

microsoft is a filthy CAPITALIST PIG!

hd2 run wp7 ? its just a tiny atom size matter in their massive sea of business, so no, they wouldnt even think of it as a problem
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] makomek:
If WP7 is selling good then we are good ,but if WP7 is very slow in the market then they gonna pull all of our ass out and start sueing.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] fusion06:
They don't really have any grounds to sue(in my opinion) and here's why.we're asking for the code right but the codes are free.how do they know i didn't ask for the code,but never used it?they don't.unless they're actually going to send agents into every home to see if they're running WP7 on an HD2,i don't think they have a case. Besides, if they try,i'll either plea the fifth or just use the plausible deniability defense. :rolleyes:

Wow,did i finally become a Senior Member ?! Sweet. Time to celebrate !! :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Danation:
Microsoft has no motivation to sue us.

The modding community is happy without Microsoft needing to do any actual work. We're a niche group, but keep in mind... it's a LOUD group.

Those who really like WP7 will buy apps, which puts money in Microsoft's pocket. Android doesn't do that for them.

Speaking of Android, people are leaving Android for WP7 on the HD2. Not that the numbers are large, but I'm sure they don't mind that one bit.

Here's the biggest one: They can use these numbers to add to their numbers for "phones activated." It's a "sale" without any effort.

Really, Microsoft doesn't gain a ton, but they lose nothing by WP7 on HD2.

HTC might not be as happy as Microsoft, though. New uses for old phones don't help them much financially. I think they understand the positives of the hacker community, though, so I'm not too worried about them either.

So don't let people scare you. There is nothing to fear here.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] neo158:
You're all aware then, that by activating WP7 on an HD2 or any phone for that matter, transmits the IMEI number to microsofts servers?

That's all they need to ID the device the OS is installed on. As for action they could take, suing users is unlikely. They could have your IMEI blacklisted, your live ID banned and/or the key used to activate blacklisted as well.

But I couldn't care less, I use an HD7!!!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Devils1stBorn:
I think this situation is blown way out of proportion. Microsoft would be dumb to take legal action for gaining more purchases out of the marketplace. And T-Mobile will be even dumber by taken risk and losing customers by giving out personal info so Microsoft can take action. You would even be able to make a dumb and dumber parody out of it and sit back as it affects both entities...more so T-Mobile.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] zkid2010:
But of course you do...:rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] zkid2010:
It was really one troll, stirring things up and because I'm pretty sure it will violate TOS, I'm not going to name him/her but you can find out for yourself easy enough in these lighter-traffic WP7 forums.

Suffice to say the last post I see by this person - that is after cross-posting the exact same 'dire warning' into several threads then arguing how we were all going to be sued - was around 11pm pacific time Monday night.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DanielNTX:
Who me? It was a warning. Not trolling. You are violating the licensing of Windows Phone 7 on a HD2. The estimated cost of the license to the manufacturer is $15 per handset. Windows Phone 7 is not open source like Android.

Most of my posts were in the debate thread, but there are multiple threads about how to trick MS into giving a PVK. It's on you if you do it, but there could or could not be consequences to those actions.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] neo158:
I do, I'll provide proof if it would make you happy :p
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] aenedor:
So we are getting a copy of WP7 for free, whereas HD7 owners paid for it as part of the phones purchase price.

However you look at it MS do occupy the high ground on this issue.

I do not think our HD2's will get hit with the ban hammer, however, whichever way MS responds to this we should be neither suprised nor upset.

I say enjoy the chance to play with WP7 for free whilst it lasts.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] zkid2010:
The glare from your tin-foil hat is blinding. :D I guess until XDA yanks HD2-WP7 content, we can figure nobody has come down on them for hosting discussions about how to activate live services, how to get the ROM running on a HD2, or where to find the ROM since it's installer link has it's very own thread.

If you spent half as much time reading those threads you reference rather than trolling discussions, you'd see that others have even openly told Zune/WP7 support agents that they had an HD2. You already know this of course because each time you post your nonsense someone has beaten you about the head soundly with valid arguments as to why your paranoia is complete fail.

What, is this the time you wake up each night to start spreading your paranoia?:confused:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Callumpy:
I like to think that MS have a way of banning our phones if they want to go down that route. But ban my account... no thanks, Ive had XBL for nearly 3 years, bought lots of content on that account, Ive also bought lots of stuff on GFWL and Ive even bought stuff off the WP7 marketplace now. So yeah, don't ban my account, that will piss me off.

Hopefully they can just ban our phones like they do on Xbox Live if you mod a console, they ban just that console.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] krugm0f0:
Lied? I have never lied to them. I installed WP7, called MS and told them i had a HTC phone running Windows Phone 7, and the Live services asked me to enter an activation code I didn't have. Can you help me, I asked, and the woman asked me to hold the line while she generated an activation code.

Got the code, said thanks a lot, and hung up. :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] homer.web:
You should go to the police, I think... Tell them, that you have a big case for them.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] ultramag69:
Lets be realistic here...

M$ probably knows we are doing this. They must have people keeping an eye on these forums, however, they have here free walking, talking adverts for their new OS... I know I show my "new" WP7 phone off to friends, family and workmates. Hell, I recommended the OS to a workmate today as they say that the iPhone was too hard to use... :p

10 minutes with my new WP7 phone and they were heading out the door to get a new phone.

Not only have I helped M$ to get a new customer, that person will extol the virtues of the new M$ phone to others too.

If M$ want to get a lions share of the PDA/Smartphone market, then they need us to help promote their new phones.

What happens AFTER they get ahead may be another story, but to be honest I don't think it would be worth the time and effort to go after us small fish...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] APJG:
While I had been a bit worried about MS disabling our devices even after getting our activation codes, I think it's extremely unlikely they would do anything more than disable them on unofficial WP7 devices. Banning or removing our Live accounts would be a bit much and any sort of legal action against individual users would be a complete waste of time, money, and resources for them. It would also lead to a ton of bad press and at this point, I think MS would be somewhat excited that there are people out there who want to use WP7 enough to hack it onto unofficial hardware.

Which leads into this post from Engadget yesterday. MS knows exactly what we're doing and they don't seem to be all that upset about it :D

I also love this pic haha
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] cwwjr1681:
You all are worried about NOTHING! Let me clear this up now. I flat out told MS that I was running wp7 on my HD2. They said they could not give me technical support due to the fact that its not a native OS to the HD2; however when I told them all I needed was an activation code? they STILL GAVE ME A CODE! So honestly? I dont think they care. Busines wise its smart for them to let ppl run wp7 on their HD2s more ppl will use WP7 instead of Android. Their stock goes up and in their dreamy little mind they will one day flush out their competition that way. I mean think about it. In the big picture in time the people using wp7 on their handsets will buy wp7 phones pluss they will tell all their friends who do not have hd2s how great wp7 is and those friends will buy an HD7. Microsoft just got free customers for life! Its like free publicity! Yeah right they will just throw all that away? ROFL! aLL OF YOU NEED TO BE SLAPPED! I know most of you are not from the USA but in the USA you would call that FREE ADVERTISING and just good business. Plus it makes your stock skyrocket when everyone is using wp7 paid version or not. I mean everyone running WP7 on their HD2 is a walking billboard. So I am pretty sure they love us. I mean its like this... HMMM legally go after over 1,000 people or use them as free publicity and turn this around to our advantage? Hmmm thats not a tough choice at all. WTF are all of you thinking?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] cdguider:
Are you serious?

Are you really serious?

1. You ask this question in a public forum

2. Do you really think Microsoft doesn't read this forum

3. Go back to Number 1

4. Still Thinking, Really, Still Thinking. Microsoft can isse a system wide disable of phones with IMEI in the sequence of the HD2 (Yes there is a difference)

5. Delelte this post, and close or merge this thread with this one.

Last, Jailbreak is a term associated with the Iphone. It has and always will be referred to Unlocking when talking about anything else. (Jailbreak, Really)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=917370
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Beefheart:
So he wanted to swap one ****ty locked-platform mobile phone OS for another? ;)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] pkoper:
Sooo.... you are telling us that in the United States you are only allowed to have one cell phone per person and that service providers have a monopoly on selling cell phones.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Gustopher:
Except if you look a few posts up to the picture of the moon-faced child holding the T-Shirt.

As far as I can make out, he got that from Microsoft...:)