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[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
This is how it has always been. Either a 10 year customer, on a $69.99 plan or higher for individual lines or $99.99 plan for family plans. Must be on the plans for at least three months an additional lines qualify every 22 months. Has never been different. I haven't heard anything about it changing anytime soon. This is a bad rumor to make Verizon look good.
[EVO 4G General] *evo4me2*:
Sounds like if you've been with Sprint for 10 years and you're in good standing, you're considered a gold member. Basically a loyalty reward
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Looks real; and it is different. $70 vs $90, $100 vs $170 BASE plans... almost nobody but unlimited everything qualifies now. Premier finally means premier.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
This is a bad rumor. $169.99 is the highest family plan available and $89.99 is $10 less than their unlimited plan. Would be stupid for Sprint to charge it's customers it's highest prices available. Again, nothing has been said about this at Sprint, not even a leak. Someone is posting this to not make Vzw look horrible.
[EVO 4G General] boliviano3:
If they're not counting Nextel as a part of those 10 yrs I'm gonna have to slap a b**** :mad:
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Seems like the second change is a $89.99 unlimited single plan. Lines up perfectly. You can pretend or hope its not true but people are getting confirmations from reps. Check out the sprint users thread.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Well have to wait and see, no rep would have any information before my department. Guaranteed. But we have until Feb 7th to find out
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
Simply Everything® Family

Everything you need for the whole family - unlimited text, surf, email, listen, watch, find and, of course, talk - on one simple plan.

This plan includes

Unlimited data on our network: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Sprint TV and Radio, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM

Unlimited Direct Connect: Direct Connect and Group Connect (for capable phones)

Unlimited messaging: Text, pictures and video

Unlimited talk on our network: Anytime Minutes and nationwide long distance

Lines 1-2 included. Lines 3-5 $89.99/mo./line

> Learn more about what's included in this plan

Anytime Minutes	Monthly Price	Additional Anytime Minutes	Lines

Unlimited	$189.98	Unlimited
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Well c. Lines 3-5 $89.99 each? Lol
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
yea read that too 89.99 for 3,4,5 each HOLY HELL
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Seems a little ridiculous to me. I doubt they want to go from the cheapest to the most expensive, over 3 phones, none being the iPhone. Still think it's a horrible rumor, retentions would have known already to prepare to "save" people.
[EVO 4G General] apollooff320:
Think ill be moving to Verizon then. Ill wait until they get their dual core phones.
[EVO 4G General] Zori:
Wow.. If this is true, I may very well jump ship

Sent from my EVO 4G with the XDA app!
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
I hope it's a rumor too bro. Time will soon tell I guess. I was hoping for more confirmation, so if you find anything concrete, please post up!
[EVO 4G General] AbsolutZeroGI:
Has anyone noticed the scheduled date this takes effect? ;)

To add to my theory that this is all a big joke, I saw the EXACT same e-mail on 4 other forums. Perhaps it's a fraud going around spreading bad news?
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Im with you 100%.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
If my bill is over 169.99 am I okay for the Gold status?
[EVO 4G General] exSD:
If the conditions in the OP are true this is bull****.
[EVO 4G General] tomh1979:
I have a feeling it's just BS to begin with, since most of us would be eligible for a premier upgrade on april 4th,i would certainly hope they wouldn't screw us that bad. Was planning to get the wife a evo shift, and get rid of her hero.

swyped from my gingerbread'd Evo 4G
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
From what I've read you have to have a base plan that's $169.99+. That means before taxes, extra lines, and add ons.
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
Looking more and more legit boys and girls. The part about changing your upgrade date is fvckin whack.

From a post by DJrider on SU forum.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
$10 Premium data fee + declining 3G speeds + barely there smartphone selection + unlimited plans or no yearly upgrade.

..I wish I at least kept my SERO plan. What's Sprint selling point again?
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
my thoughts too my contracts up soon if this is true i just might jump to t-mobile service in my area is way better than sprint and a pretty good phone line up
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
Assuming what's true in the OP, what brain in sprint's marketing department would even think of making a change on that date!@?#

That aside, can't you switch to a more expensive base rate plan say 3 or 4 months before your intended upgrade date? Does sprint have limitations on this, or more importantly, would you be able to switch back to a lower rate plan?
[EVO 4G General] datajosh:
Man I hope this counts as a materially adverse change, I'd love to get my ETF waived so I can jump ship.
[EVO 4G General] :
This is true. I just called and the rep was looking through the policy and confirmed it.
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
that would be great
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Don't post lies.
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
i too hope this doesn't come to light, their price plans was one part, but the yearly upgrade on the primary was another and a feature that i speak to other folks when they inquire about my beast of a phone and the rate plans. Plus i have been in a launch wimax area so that has also been a nice feature. those prices put me right back around verizon and with their LTE and dual core phones, might be a tough sell to stick around
[EVO 4G General] makisupa79:
That would suck...but if you can still work around it by switching to the unlimited plan 3 months before a hot new phone drops, its not that big of a deal. At least for those of us in the know...this move definitely won't help attract new customers.

If we see a dual core android from sprint at MWC or CITA, I guess I will raise my plan to unlimited around mid-march. Assuming that we would be able to downgrade our plan at anytime.
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
Nah, this ain't gonna count as an adverse change. I think the best you can hope for, is to push for them to honor this one last 12mo upgrade. I know I'll be fighting tooth and nail for the current one at least.
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
As long as you can buy newer phones outright shouldn't be a problem I guess.
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
Yeah this work around should hopefully still work. Unless they close that loop hole too. It's just a waiting game rt now. Solid confirmation of this would be great to hear. Can you help us out dirty shroomz?
[EVO 4G General] phobos512:
So folks, material change to the contract?
[EVO 4G General] m20120:
Unlikely. I do not recall the Premier program being mentioned in the contract at all. I doubt you will be able to use this to terminate without the ETF.
[EVO 4G General] bkrodgers:
I don't think Premier perks are in your contract at all. It's a perk, and it's not related to the monthly charges you are obligated to pay. I doubt you'll get out.
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
So how do is a MRC defined. Having the last 3 months @ 89.99 or more? Mathematically, if you consider a month at $70, and 2 months at $100/ea, you end up paying $270 over the course, or $90 average - still a $60 increase over the regular rate for the 2 months. Or, $90 for the last 3 months. Still a $90 average, with also a $60 increase over the same period. Either way, it costs you $60 more to get the 12 month upgrade. Is saving $15 worth the hassle....

For those getting additional discounts/corp discounts, the #'s do look more favorable, but either way, it'll cost more.

Edit: As for this change being an adverse material change, I don't think it applies. It's not an additional fee they're requiring you to pay each month. If you want the upgrade, then you pay. However, not being grandfathered in for at least one more upgrade really is bad business, and people will remember this.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
The definitive answer is no, it's a perk.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
It's not an average, you just be on that price or higher for 3 or more months.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Ill let u know anything I know. Yes, that work around does work.if.the.rumor turns out to be true which again I find it ridiculous it's after Vzn announcement and april fools.
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
You sure? Why use the term average in the text then?
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Because plans can be higher but it can not drop below that price.
[EVO 4G General] eniamg02:
Could this be why david blain will be their on feb. 7? Make our upgrades disappear!!
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Hah awesome
[EVO 4G General] :
The sad thing is that you work for the company and you don't even know your updated policies.

It is TRUE. She was pulling up the article as we were speaking and reading it verbatim. I even asked her why they were doing it just to see if they had a suggested scripting and she said '' they don't have a scripting'.

I suggest you familiarize yourself son.

By the way the lady on the phone said I would still be entitled to my upgrade but once I do I'd have to adhere to the new policy. She assured me and sent me a confirmation email and noted my account.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
We will see come April. Our policies are not updated in our system 3 1/2 months before the change. Normally they are updated a few days, a week at maximum prior to changes and a training program will go out to familiarize yourself with it. Sprint doesn't have scripting for anything besides reading you the contract when you buy a phone, so you saying the rep said "they don't have a scripting" is another way I know your lying.
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
I see.. It's all in how it's read... If they didn't have the MRC in there, then it mean a simple average.. n/m... my bad .

I tend to do most of my upgrades around the holidays - november through january. Seems some of the best deals are available then. Will have to decide on a phone 3 months in advance and wager a gamble that it'll be offered at reduced pricing for the holiday promos.
[EVO 4G General] :
Why don't you call for yourself. Why would I lie about this? It affects me too.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
If your right ill apologize, ill check when I return to work tomorrow. Ill even post a screenie
[EVO 4G General] AyyRayy:
Lol this is for sure a sham. Sprint will not price themselves out of the market. This is a vzw BS scam to make people all scared about their contracts and upgrades. April fools!

Sent from Evo powered by CM7
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
That sure explains why a lot of respected Sprint User posters are confirming it, huh?
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Yea its not like those same people have never been wrong about things huh?

Lets just wait and see what happens.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
You really think vzw needs to scam for customers?:rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I think the worst rumors come out of there
[EVO 4G General] hdad2:
So basically it is $75 more to upgrade at 12mo. Sucks, but still cheaper than adding $20 per month for 12mo. Unless the added $10 is dropped at that plan.

What most will do is up their plan in march and upgrade in june. Then drop the plan back down. But that makes it $60 more instead of 75... probably not worth the hassle.

I've always thought the 12mo upgrade was too good to last. Not one of the other 3 providers offer anything like it. Plus they've always set the plans so that anyone with a cutting edge phone is priced to get the 12mo upgrade. That's a ton of palm pre's that become evos that become ?? Meanwhile everyone with a comparable iphone happily pays their bill for 2 years.

Edit: think about it. With an evo or epic there is no choice but to have a plan that eligible for premier. They probably never thought so many of these phones would be out there. So they are now trying to limit the damage. Its crap that they do it now instead of summer. Bait and switch...
[EVO 4G General] nuggyunlimited:
I pretty much qualify for gold but I don't have 10+ years does that matter?

Swyped From My Rom But I Will Always Be A Mynion!
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
If this is true then I will definitely be letting my contract expire then do some shopping.

Although if DirtyShroomz is calling BS then I'm not sweating it.. yet

edit: and if it is true I don't see them withdrawing current upgrade eligibility (at the time of the change), more like a contract revision going forward.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Alright, lets just assume that the reps are reading an entire statement that doesn't exist but that they yet possess. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
The guy DJ who posted about this, said the rep told him this was a memo just issued today. They are on limited staff right now and she could only explain to him what she knows so far. So when shroomz gets back to work tomorrow, I assume he can clear all this up for us. Hopefully, if it is true, he can confirm/deny the details. Such as the base plan needing to be a certain price, or if the add a lines and 4G charges etc can make you eligible, by increasing your bill over the base price point. Also a confirmation of if we get hosed on our current 12 month upgrade would be nice, or if we get to keep this last 12mo upgrade.

KB
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
This is what we all want to know. I've heard both ways.
[EVO 4G General] HotInEER:
If this is the case, it will make some people leave Sprint, I might be one of them. I have the family plan at $129.99 and 4 lines total, I pay the BS 4g charge on 2 Evo's and Evo Shift, I have the TEP on all the lines. I stood by them when they took my employee discount off my other 3 lines, but, if they try and tell me I know longer qualify for the upgrade every year I would consider leaving. My bill each month is around $197.00 total.
[EVO 4G General] HotInEER:
If they do something like this I think you can leave Sprint for breaking their contract with you. I'm pretty sure that's the same thing they were saying when they took away the employee discount on multiple lines now. That you could call Sprint and they would not charge you.

I don't want to hear no bull-crap about that not being a guarantee either, they preach it to you when you buy their service.
[EVO 4G General] nuggyunlimited:
I have two lines evo n blackberry I pay $176 I wonder why so high

Swyped From My Rom But I Will Always Be A Mynion!
[EVO 4G General] _MetalHead_:
Lucky for me I got my EVO with a one year contract instead of a two year. My contract is up in June so I will be able to get the latest and greatest with a new contract price :)
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
You can't as it's not something that's guaranteed. Them removing their perks completely might be a breach of contract but not changing the way the perks are obtained.

No where in your contract does it state 1-year upgrades are guaranteed every year regardless of anything.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Wow screw sprint I'm paying the etf and going to verizon on	a discount plan through work.
[EVO 4G General] datajosh:
Not just $75 more... the $150 upgrade actually gives you the current new customer price and any eligible rebates. The $75 upgrade just gives you $75 off the full, unsubsidized price with no rebates. So it's actually at least $175 more, depending on the phone and where you get it.
[EVO 4G General] bkrodgers:
In addition to Josh's point, you also are perpetually stuck at that $75 upgrade if you use it every year. You extend you contract two more years every year, meaning you always are 1 year into your contract, and you're always only eligible for $75. If you want to upgrade every year, you're actually better off paying full price every other year, so that you get the full rebate value (typically at least $250) every two years.

Take the Evo as an example. $450 without rebates, $200 with. You can buy it every year for $375 + $375 = $750, or you can buy it for $200 + $450 = $650. Plus, you're out of your contract at the end of the second year of the $200 + $450 option and can consider going elsewhere. With $375 + $375, you've still got one year of your contract left at the end of the second year. The contract extension angle of it applies to the current premier upgrades too, is why I actually thought it was so smart on Sprint's part...if you were someone who wants a new phone every year and used an upgrade every year, your contract would *never* expire.
[EVO 4G General] azfxstb:
Time to start porting all the lines to TMO, best android game out there. Big Red is chasin the iPhone train, Sprint just shot themselves in the foot and AT&T is well them.
[EVO 4G General] Android 17:
I sincerely hope this is not true. The 12 month upgrade is one of the major reasons why a lot of us are with them now, I would imagine.

Most of the techie-oriented people can't stand not being able to have the latest and greatest, and the 12 month upgrade is/possibly was the perfect idea.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
god i hope so... this is a life saver for me as you can cancel your sprint account for free and not have to pay the eft. great timing as we are moving to t-mobile. i guess ill wait until late march to switch then.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
any contract change or new fees by sprint means you have a get out of jail card for free. no eft fees or early cancellations.
[EVO 4G General] david279:
Just gonna throw this out to u guys....T-Mobile has the G2 free online till the 20th. I just ordered one....So somebody said something about getting out their contracts?
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
How do you figure? OP's text makes mention of Sprint's New for You Program - https://manage.sprintpcs.com/specialoffers/RebateWelcome.do .

According to what they say at the link above, so long as you sign up for a 2 yr contract, you get $150 (or in this case $75 if you're a silver member) off the nationally advertised price (ie, new customer pricing).

If this change does come thru, i suspect the above may change too then, but as it stands now, it's all speculation anyways. Full terms have not been disclosed yet.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
well if this change happens in april ill call asap and cancel my two lines. i may get a g2 or a nexus s but by then we may have other phones coming out. hopefully a dual core android or a new webos device. im passing on wp7 after much debate.

hell ill sell my mint evo & my wife's blackberry and bank a good $350 or so to put towards two new phones.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
this may be announced at the febuary sprint event along side with whatever else they have planned.
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
Getting rid of the 12mo upgrade is no way a breach in contract. It even states on the Premier page that the perks/conditions are subject to change at any time. The contract didn't guarantee 12 mo upgrades, just said they were a perk, not guaranteed forever. I wish it were that easy. Or at least Grandfather us current peeps in and let us keep the perk.

Full Terms and Conditions - soon to change I'm sure. lulz
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Lol i cant believe people think this is a get out of jail free card
[EVO 4G General] twiz0r:
How much is the etf? I have two lines

Swyped from my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
Why does all these loyal sprint diehards suddenly trying to bailout?
[EVO 4G General] twiz0r:
IF I'm going to get screwed why would I stay? And who says that we are sprint diehards? My loyalty lies with android, not sprint

Swyped from my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
I'm locked for another two years and not going anywhere at this time. I just hate having that carrot dangled and then finally getting a bite...only for it to be pulled back away. lol
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Cool story bro? No-one cares lol. :)
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
It's only $200 which is much less than most carriers. I think it stays at $200 for 6 months, then starts to drop off by $10 a month. I believe you can find the terms on sprints website.
[EVO 4G General] twiz0r:
damn that fee...guess I'll hold onto some of my tax return just in case. Especially if verizon comes through and has lte in my area by july 1st. No idea when I'm going to get 4g from sprint

Swyped from my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO
[EVO 4G General] Samzebian:
well this truly sucks IF it's true. I just became a Sprint Premier member and have been looking forward to it since I joined Sprint to get my evo. Now I am seriously considering leaving for Verizon or someone else. I wasn't even considering it because I thought Sprint was a different carrier compared to everyone else, I would have stayed for probably at least 3-4 phone cycles (unless some superphone came out on a different carrier exclusively), but if this yields to be true there's no way that's happening!
[EVO 4G General] david279:
Anybody see this?

http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/18/sprin...smartphone-activations-starting-january-30th/
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
That's just about what I pay a month for 4 lines after the bs employer discount thing I've been with sprint 12 + years. my contract is up in march... not sure I'll resign if this is true

from my phone duh
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
This will tack another 30 a month to my 197.00 a month now

from my phone duh
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
LOL, people are so funny these days. Quick to overreact on the smallest things. Well have fun with your new networks, im sure there will be plenty of things for you to complain about with them too. There is no perfect carrier, just best for you depending on network, location and price.

Those talking about going to verizon, well enjoy your every 20 month upgrade which is just as bad except worse prices. All of these carriers are doing crazy things to customers, and making it seem like sprint is the worst is FAR from the truth. C ya!! The less on the network the better for me YAY!!!
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Well, the way I see it ill enjoy my 20 month upgrade as well as better coverage, faster 3G and LTE I can use inside of my house. The price, dont really care. I've done the whole "value" thing with Tmobile and now Sprint and for me i'm starting to see that whole "you get what you pay for" thing turning to be quite true.
[EVO 4G General] cosine83:
If you have a 4G phone already, you won't be paying more. This will just remove the data cap for 3G-only users.

I'll be sticking with Sprint. Comparable plans on Verizon, T-Mobile, or AT&T are oodles more and come with data caps. No thanks.
[EVO 4G General] adamr240:
I don't see how this can be advantageous to Sprint at all.

Pretty much the entire time I've had this account (5 years) I've upgraded every time its been available. This keeps me in a contract, with a good 1 year cushion to keep me from leaving. Now, by the time I upgrade I can just look at other carriers and jump ship very easily.
[EVO 4G General] adamr240:
I asked a friend who works in Sprint tech support if this was true. His response:

Like only gold gets the 12 month upgrade

They sent an epop about it but I can't find it in kms now

We r dumb. U know how the evos have to have that 10.00 add on plan...starting feb 1 all smartphones will have to have it
[EVO 4G General] evoftw:
Would this change be grounds to terminate a contract without the ETF? I heard that if Sprint changes the terms, then a subscriber has 30 days to cancel. Personally, I would rather leave for some of the new phones that are coming out soon.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
No because you are not being forced to pay unless you upgrade to a smartphone.
[EVO 4G General] evoftw:
I meant the extension of the contract.

After April 01, 2011, your account will become the Sprint Premier Silver account and the handset upgrade eligibilty of your account will be reset as per the new Sprint Premier Program policy. I apologize for the inconvenience you have faced due to this.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Is that showing on Sprint.com? Can you take a screenshot

Unfortunately that still doesnt give you grounds for ETF waiver as it's a perk and not a guarantee