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[Epic 4G General] mrzood:
Sprint's 3g sucks. A few days ago I took my Epic in to the ATT, T-Mobile, and Verizon stores around. I did side by side tests with the Ookla speed test app on phones with similar hardware to the Epic. Every other network's 3g performed better than Sprint's when I tested them with multiple speed tests.

No matter where I am I rarely get above 500Kbps over 3g.

This was all in San Antonio so YMMV. :)
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
depends on location and signal strength
[Epic 4G General] digiblur:
3g sucks in Louisiana too...hell a lot of areas around here are still 1X! On a normal day around town you are lucky to see anything about 80 kilobit. The phone is really useless for apps unless you have a wifi connection. I use force roam a lot to roam on vzw evdo anytime I need to stream or download something.
[Epic 4G General] nimaim:
It's both Sprint and the Epic. Sprint has pretty bad 3G speeds compared to other providers but the Epic makes it a lot worse. It has real sh*tty radios all around. My friend has an Evo and it gets double the speed (both up and down) in the same spot as me.
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
Its theepics radio.

The ping is horrible too.

I tested sidebyside with my sisters iphone 4, and her ping was 19ms. The epics? 200. Tried on wimax, the difference?about 20ms lower.

Did the test on my friends hero, his ping was 30ms and was pulling 2mbdown 1 up

Epic was 300 down on 3g and on wimax was 3mb down.
[Epic 4G General] nikon120:
It's strange, in the NOLA area my friend and I do speed tests in different areas in the city (pinging the same server). I get maybe 80kBs down and ~50kBs up (Pings ranging from 133 to 200+ milliseconds). My friend ends up getting ~200kBs down and ~700kBs up.

Of course those numbers vary, but my phone hit 200kBs 1 out of 75 pings. All others were less than 100kBs up/down.

I bring my phone into Sprint for service and the techie decides to compare speeds by bringing up the same website (MSN.com). It felt like it was a waste of time as both phones pulled the site up near the same time. I just don't understand this instability with pings and speeds in our area.

FYI: Be careful with data roaming. We are capped at 300MB a month for data roaming. Anything over is $0.25/MB.
[Epic 4G General] APOLAUF:
Are you sure that you're actually on 3G service? Those speeds sound like 1xRTT. Your phone WILL NOT tell you that you're not in a 3G area. Only way to find this is in the phone's service menu. So, I repeat, your phone may read "3G", but you are infact probably using 1xRTT, not 3G (Ev-DO). 125kbit/s is average for 1xRTT.
[Epic 4G General] KillerQ:
Can you please share the method for getting into said service menu and how to check? This will be interesting to find if its in 1x or not ...

Thanks again
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
Settinggs> About Phone
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
Also, does anyone know what dbm and asu is? I have 4 bars and its 86dbm and 0asu and idk what that means lol
[Epic 4G General] KillerQ:
Oh....I thought you meant the ## menus. I did look there but saw nothing referring to 3g or 1x.
[Epic 4G General] nikon120:
So where exactly do you see this on your phone within that menu? I've been looking between the "About Phone" menu and the "About Phone >> Status" menu, still don't see anything stating which network connection I'm using.
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
sorry, in the hero it would tell you in the status section whether you were on 1xrtt, 1x, EvDO Rev. 0 or EvDO Rev. A

The epic doesn't seem to have that :/ it just states If you're connected to the mobile networ
[Epic 4G General] Koadic:
Try *#INFO*1111# (*#4636*1111#) and choose Phone Information, under Network Type
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
Yay that worked! Yup I'm in evdo rev a and getting horrible speeds
[Epic 4G General] APOLAUF:
What Koadic said. :) They disabled the standard *#*#INFO#*#* that used to work on previous phones. You now need to append the *1111 and remove a couple of the *s and #s.
[Epic 4G General] Superbovine:
Be happy.

I get 30-50kbs down, but only when it works. Most of the time the connection times out.
[Epic 4G General] nikon120:
Same here.
[Epic 4G General] rgallius:
I remember reading that there was a mod in the dev forum to remove the built in data govenor and not paying much attention to it. Though to be honest, I'm not sure that I did see it, since I can't seem to find anything about it anymore (not helping that search is borked at the moment). Anyone know where that went, or is?

There's also the dialer code for the data service to disable the streaming filtering if you have your MSL code.

I've been poking around looking into it.. is there a step by step guide someone has or could post about how to get your MSL without contacting Sprint?

It's apparently possible to capture the MSL via logging and terminal commands in a Hero, but that method has not worked for the Epic.

Thanks!

Edit: Also evdo rev a with terrible speeds.
[Epic 4G General] Koadic:
Download 'terminal emulator' or 'connectbot' on your phone, choose a local connection, enter the command "getprop ril.MSL" (without the quotes) to get your six digit MSL code.

To change the RTSP proxy address on your phone, either enter ##DATA# in your dialer, Edit->Others->Multimedia (on DK28), then change the RTSP Proxy to 0.0.0.0, or if you have LauncherPro, ADW Ex, or Any Cut, you can create a shortcut directly to the screen without needing your MSL code at all... Create Shortcut (Create Custom Shortcut if you only have ADW Ex (newest version of ADW Might be the same too), then 'Pick your activity'), choose activities -> com.android.hiddenmenu -> Multimedia(.Multimedia_Edit)... then you have a direct shortcut into where you can change your proxy address.
[Epic 4G General] keeepinitgansta:
dk28 radio is known to have data issues, went back to DI18 and all is well again. also make sure you have zero'd out sprint's proxy settings via ##3282# to avoid throttling.
[Epic 4G General] ruben8448:
I found a nice way to increase speeds drastically. I downgraded the prl to 60671. The newest one is 60674. There is a thread in development on how to manually change the prl. Find that and then find the 60671 prl and downgrade it. When I was on 60674 I would barely get above 200 and now my average is between 900 to 1.8mb. It worked wonders for me.
[Epic 4G General] galaxywhat?:
Help! Okay so what exactly are we supposed to change when we get there and how? Do we clear everything out? :confused:

(in the proxy settings)
[Epic 4G General] Koadic:
All you need to edit is the RTSP Proxy Address, and maybe the port number if you want, but that shouldnt make a difference if the address gets changed. Just change the address to 0.0.0.0 (and the port to 0 if you decide to change that too)
[Epic 4G General] nikon120:
Changed my RTSP address and port to zeros and retested using Speed Test.net application. I didn't notice any speed bump. I'm not going to mess with the PRL.
[Epic 4G General] rgallius:
using the guide, I changed my prl to 60171 and removed the sprint rstp throttling. I also flashed a data govenor remover, no change. Still terrible speeds of around 200kbs down and around 200 kbs up. this is down here in socal so the fix for phx doesn't seem to work here.
[Epic 4G General] Koadic:
The following long winded comment isn't intended to belittle anyone's ideas or experiences, just to provide some information and an opinion on the way I see certain things. Feel free to correct me on any inaccuracies you may see, or even express your own viewpoint.

Regarding the RTSP Proxy 'fix'...

I think you have misinterpreted/been misinformed what the rtsp proxy 'fix' was for (and possibly don't even know/care what rtsp even stands for). First, rtsp stands for real time streaming protocol, used for the streaming of audio/video data. Secondly, the 'fix' was to help enable streaming audio/video and not have it 'filtered' by Sprint (to reduce data usage possibly, even though we're on a 'premium' data plan :rolleyes:), and very little to do with throttling. This is really only usable in two cases that I know of, using the Skyfire browser to stream flash video to your 2.1 phone (where Skyfile reencodes it on their servers, and sends you usable data), and using the Orb app to stream video/audio from your home computer to your phone while on 3g.

As far as the data governer goes, it's been debated whether it actually helps at all. I think that will only help if you are already maxing out your connection as is, and not struggling with getting decent speeds.

Now for the PRL... if done correctly, I don't see where it would hinder anything, but more than likely, probably wont help either.

Sometimes, you just can't help the speeds you are getting though, as there can be many causes such as network issues on Sprint's side, signal issues with your location, or just plain crappy coverage where you happen to be. If the speed has drastically changed for you, the first thing to try is to undo anything that may conceivably have been the cause, such as if it happened after upgrading to Froyo with the DK28 modem... in ruben8448's case, he happened to notice that it occured when he updated the prl.

Anyway, if you notice a big drop in 3g speeds, and it isn't a result of something you did, about the only thing you can realistically do is go to/call up Sprint and ***** to them (most likely that won't do any good anyway) or change carriers that provide better coverage/speeds in the area you live.

Lastly, any speedtest app you try is only as good as the server your testing, the routing to/from the tower your connected to, and any network congestion along the way. It isn't like when we were using these apps to show that we basically had a hard cap on our upload of 150kbps on 3g before DI18, all it is going to do is illustrate the quality of your connection to that specific server at that moment in time.
[Epic 4G General] imwillzillla:
Do we change the RTSP Proxy "Address" or the RTSP Proxy "Port" to 0000?
[Epic 4G General] nikon120:
Answer:

Just 4 posts above yours. :rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] imwillzillla:
Yeah I read the post I was just making sure. Can never be too sure when potentially bricking your phone. :(
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
I feel you bruh
[Epic 4G General] blazinazn:
...

:cool:

Talk about some horrible speeds in 3G...
[Epic 4G General] smooney3:
Testing just now, after updating to the latest PRL, I got 1456 down, 571 up. The download speeds usually run somewhere between there and 800 around my house, so I don't think the phone itself is completely hopeless. Although, I will say that my speeds are generally a bit slower and less consistent than they were on my Hero. Also, when I'm at work, I'll have 5 bars and it'll say 3G in the status bar, but it'll actually be on 1xRTT getting 150 down, so that is something to consider.
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Wtf am I the only on here that dialin ##data# is not working?

When I dial it I hear a ringtone,lol.Im on DK28 Bonsai,as matter of fact only s few of these dialer codes work for me and most dont,any ideas?

Question,can I flash DI18 modem on DK28 rom?If so where can I find DI18 modem?
[Epic 4G General] edscholl:
we are not capped to 300MB data roaming- that's for data card plans.
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Just flashed DI18 modem to DK28 rom and no more data drops and increased speed!

##DATA# still not working,wtf is my Epic the same as ya's?
[Epic 4G General] watermoore:
Im willing to give this a shot. got a link?
[Epic 4G General] nikon120:
That article was pulled from a quick search of Sprint's support knowledge-base page. I didn't post the link with the intention to mislead, but thanks for pointing it out. Even though it does say the broadband data card in the article, I've been told by at least 5 reps both in Sprint stores and via customer service # that the cap pertains to all plans with unlimited data.

Upon further searching from the 3 EVO/Epic plans ToS, I found the same limitation. Just do a simple page search for "300" and you will see the section. The plans terms of service agreement does confirm a cap of 300MB/month of data usage when off the Sprint network. No mention of the overage charge per MB, but again this charge was confirmed via verbal discussions noted above. Though I'm sure if the charges aren't mentioned here that one could try to protest them.

Cheers.
[Epic 4G General] snovvman:
What did you use to flash the modem to DI18? Link please? Thanks.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] niceday123:
Wheres The Clipboard On Samsung Galaxy S im using chrome to phone .cheers
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
hi peeps , ok i want to do the nand unlock (s-off)and have gone to the alpharev site i have read that you can do it via pc or you can download and flash via phone .. so i just wanted to ask if what im doing is right before i do it ..

ok so i downloaded the pb99img bravo oxygen ( i presume this is the right one as i have oxygen 2.0 rc6 ) or does that have nothing to do with it lol ... i have renamed it PB99IMG.zip.. do i now put on sd card reboot into bootloader/hboot whatever its called and flash it from there .. or am i totally wrong and need some super guidance lol

thanks for any reply's in advance
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheGhost1233:
More reading, you are talking about flashing a different partition layout. Before you can do that you need to S-off. If the instructions on the AlphaRev site are not cleat to you i suggest you don't S-off until you understand what is on there.

This might get you started on how to S-off.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
I would suggest using the 'CD method'. It's super, super easy and it takes just a few minutes.

It's as easy as this, and bingo you have S-OFF.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikep99:
+1 - agree with Kalavere :)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
is there a good free or free trial iso burner . can i use dvd+r also

sorry newbie to the desire and dont wanna brick it already lol
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
Nero Burnlite will suffice. :) And a DVD will be fine.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikep99:
i used ImgBurn..

you can use CD or DVD
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
ok i installed imgburn ... sorry for all questions but if ya dont ask ya dont find out

do i write image file to disk

or files folders to disk ??

then once done reboot pc and hold f12 , then something will come up like when you go into recovery /factory reset . then choose the file etc and send to usb ?????
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikep99:
you write the .ISO image to CD.

the download is immediately above the MD5 sum on the alpharev site.

check the MD5 sums as well before burning it.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
It will give you a set of options, if you have a USB plugged in it will ask if you want to boot from that if you have an OS installed on it (I have Linux on a USB drive). Then it will ask you if you want to boot from CD, or the hard drive. Obviously you want to boot from the CD, it will load Linux, and auto install S-OFF to your phone.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
thanks chaps for your help , i have successfully s -offed , thanks for all the info and help
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
Awesome. :D I'd suggest changing HBOOT table now. You can shuffle around the NAND and increase the space for installable apps, you can get anything from ~150 meg to ~350 megs depending on the OS installed.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
lol whats hboot table ??? i only have apps with widgets saved to internal memory and i have a 750mb partition on my sd for apps
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
It allocates the system, cache and data partitions. By default a Sense ROM uses about 280megs of the internal ROM, and in contrast the Oxygen ROM I use uses about ~65Mbs, so you have ~210Mbs of unused space that can't be written to. The new HBOOT tables reconfigure the space so you can use the unneeded System space as Data which will give you an extra ~210Mbs for apps.

When I installed the Oxygen RC's I deleted my EXT3 partition on my SD card and just piled the apps on over to the phone.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
oh ok mate . thanks but i really dont think im ever going to have millions of apps so im quite happy with just putting widget apps to internal and other to sd .. it will do for me as its not to technical lol

anyway thanks for all the help today take it easy chap
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
Haha, no worries. I just love to tinker. :p
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
i was just reading over this again so does that mean for eg : on titanium backup it says at bottom internal 154mb (free 88mb) if i was to do this table thing would it then say internal 364 mb as its going to add approx 210mb and then free would be 276mb or something along those lines lol, or is it kind of like where you partition the sd its unseen but still using it ?:confused:
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
That's the one, I have 354mbs when looking at internal memory in Titanium.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] firstin:
If you were to change the hboot table for oxygen say . Would it brick ph if I flashed a sense rom without changing the hboot back? Or does it change the table to suite?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
You will need to change the table back, it only gives you 90 something Mbs for Oxygen, and Sense is a good 250Mbs. It won't brick the device but you won't have a working OS I would guess as it would fail to load. As long as you had a nandroid of the AOSP ROM you could just restore, otherwise you'd have to factory reset to get it working again.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
It could quite easily brick the device so think carefully before going into HBOOT changes. An RUU would be the best way to get back to stock should anything go wrong
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
HBOOT has no more chance of bricking a device than rooting or flashing radios. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikep99:
Also, just restoring a nand doesn't revert the hboot changes.

You would need to flash another, more appropriate, table for the nand/rom you are moving to.

Or, as Eddy says, RUU then root then restore nand/ flash rom.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
kalavere , fancy giving us a hand and some instructions if you dont mind when ya got some spare time

thanks
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
Sure, the instructions are actually on the AlphaRev website. You'll need Android SDK installed, which of course you'll have from rooting your phone, then you need to work out which ROM you have installed using the table, I use Oxygen so using this as an example, download the bravo_alphaspl-oxygen.img (Of course don't use this if you aren't using Oxygen, use bravo_alphaspl-n1table for other AOSP ROMs such as Cyanogen or bravo_alphaspl-sense for Sense based ROMs). Then place it in the SDK\Tools folder, by default it should be C:\AndroidSDK\Tools.

Then following these instructions from the website you can install the new HBOOT to the device. You'll obviously need to use Command Prompt to input the commands.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
im a bit stuck i have done nand and checked m5d put phone on fastboot and put the bravo_alphaspl-oxygen.img in tools so its c:android\tools byt evertime in cmd it says path not found lol i had load of problems with this on my htc hero lol any help please
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] p5x:
Would you be able to install widgets to that memory and have them working after a reboot?

i'm using a2sd atm and have to install anything that has widgets to phone memory. TIA
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
i been trying for hours to get this table thing to work and i cant figure it out altho i have followed instructions
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
You need to type

CD C:\Android\Tools

exactly as it for CMD to find the directory.

I struggled to get it working when I did it, DiscoHero from MoDaCo helped me with this post. Tell me if it helps you or not.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rraaka:
OK now , time for questions :D

3) fastboot flash hboot bravo_alphaspl-n1table.img

4) Fastboot reboot-bootloader

5) Fastboot erase cache

after typing each line (copy -paste for me ) we hit enter ?

or copy-paste all three lines together and then hit enter ?

or doesnt it matter ?

what kind of screen do we get after this on the phone ?

will there be an option to 'boot recovery' ?

thanks for patience
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
Yep, each is a seperate command. There is nothing much that I can remember happening, as soon as you've erased the cache and CMD is clear you can unplug your phone, reboot into recovery wipe and restore.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RaymondErasmus:
As stated by Kalavere:

You run one line at a time.

You are in fastboot, so after you have succesfully performed all the steps just go back to bootloader, recovery ...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
i give up lol everything just says path not recognized or not recognized as an internal or external command operable program or batch file lol :(
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RaymondErasmus:
Do you have AndroidSDK correctly installed on your PC?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
i presume so i got rooted and everything adb and all that is installed
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RaymondErasmus:
What method did you use to root?

I rooted using unrevoked and unrevoked doesnt give you those adb drivers. I had to install these seperatly.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
yes i used unrevoked and i got adb installed from htc sync the little window popped up and said adb installing \installed
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
As of yet he shouldn't need the adb drivers just to change directory in command prompt.

Are you running command prompt with administrator privelidges?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
yes mate i run pretty much all my programs etc as admin
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RaymondErasmus:
hmmm thats strange. Look in your c:drive directory there should be a folder there called 'AndroidSDK' or 'Android', something along these lines. Just make sure you are calling the right directory when you are using the fastboot commands.

Otherwise it might be worth it to go through the process and make sure manually that you have the correct drivers installed. Just follow steps 1..3 of this guide: http://theunlockr.com/2011/01/03/android-application-development-101-getting-setup/
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
all the sets are done i have adb and all the winapi stuff in both folders i downloaded the java as it said to when installing sdk etc etc
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
What a pain in the ass. I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to change directory using CMD and 'CD C:\AndroidSDK\Tools'. That's my SDK directory.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
mine is this ,,, after download ...c:\android\android-sdk-windows\tools.

and yes it is a pain in the arse lol i had loads of trouble like this when i got a htc hero nothing would work lol
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adz63:
ok i have just had a reply from another topic ..http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=10731654#post10731654. should i give that a try
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
So your command prompt window looks like this?

CD C:\Android\Android-SDK-Windows\tools

And CMD still won't find it?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RaymondErasmus:
This one has me :confused:

Mine also works fine, same as Kalavere.

Enter cmd. Type 'cd C:AndroidSDK\Tools' and then 'adb devices' while your phone is connected to your PC (It doesnt have to be in fastboot or anything, just powered on)

If you get something like:

'List of devices attatched'

'Your device' (it will show your s\n number of your phone)

Then your android sdk is working

Otherwise you might want to repeat the process, just follow those steps in the link that i gave you in my previous thread!