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[Desire General] hudl:
Every little improvement is better than what we have now... ;)

I personally would be glad to don't have this axis swapping even if there is a little jump in it. Google maps for example is not useable for now - why didn't they include a single touch solution for devices without multitouch as they have done in earth???
[Desire General] wska:
So damn annoying while playing games ........
[Desire General] dexter93:
Yeah, specially multiplayer ones....

But nothing you can do about it....

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire General] en_mih:
Hello I sent an email to those who did theuchscreen and said device is not made ​​to support multitouch and those from HTC support told me to talk those who created touchscreen
[Desire General] wska:
HTC actually told you to talk to the wall........ They can't just be clear and say, its not supported.
[Desire General] en_mih:
something like that:P
[Desire General] ste1164:
It is a known hardware problem with the desire and wont eever be fixed.
[EVO Shift 4G General] cosine83:
Basically, all NEW smartphone activations and anyone upgrading to a smartphone will be netting the extra $10/mo charge for a true unlimited amount of data consumption. If you're currently on a regular smartphone and not a 4G one, you'll be getting this new $10 fee for true unlimited data on your next upgrade if you choose to go with any BB, WM, Android, Palm/WebOS, and Instinct phone.

All-in-all, this isn't surprising and completely justified. Even WITH the $10 extra, your plan will still be cheaper than other carriers AND you'll have uncapped data. Provided you don't get a very good discount on another carrier but you'd still wind up with some kind of data cap. Now naysayers can't complain about paying for 4G when they don't have it. It is what Sprint has always been saying it is - a fee for truly unlimited data not a 4G tax.

http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=21
[EVO Shift 4G General] riggsandroid:
I really think Clear's lawsuit against Sprint for the $10 fee is what forced Sprints hand here. I can't say I think its a terrible decision as was previously stated, their prices are still cheaper then other carriers.

Now I just have to work stuff out to get my wife to switch to my old Hero before 1/30 so we don't get charged $10/month more.
[EVO Shift 4G General] Compusmurf:
Pretty much telling me that they expect all their future smartphones to be 4G.

Oh, and you say it's not a 4G free, you're sorta right. Sadly it's the exact same "Clearwire" fee that Sprint pays them for every handset sold with 4G capability. Sprint is just passing that fee along to the customer.
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
*sigh* I'm not going to get into this again, I'm just going to make one point: My plan is called Everything Data and it has

So then what is the other $10 for? If I already pay for unlimited data why am I paying another fee for the same thing. Does anyone watch the office? Remember the episodes where Michael starts his own paper company and when things start to go south he starts calling customers asking them to pay more for services already delivered? Ya, they don't react so well. This is exactly the same. I signed up for a service and agreed to certain charges. I agreed to the 4G charge because I was bold-faced lied to by my sprint rep. Its my fault for believing him and I plan on owning up to that when come august my wife's contract is up and I cancel mine with Sprint.

Sure 159.99$ for two lines with 1500minutes and "Premium data" sounds reasonable but my wife and I combined never use more than 300 minutes combined across all types of calls (excluding nights and weekends). But hey, lets include those. That is when we call our relatives who are mostly on Tmobile. On Tmobile I can get a plan with 750 minutes for 139.99$ and real unlimited data as well as 4G in my area. So why am I paying Sprint so much for so little only to have more charges heaped on me? Because I was a sucker.

Finally, to return to my first analogy: Sprint is the Michael Scott paper company. They hitched their proverbial wagon to Clear who, now now facing a trademark lawsuit from Sony Ericcson, is facing even more fiscal crisis and are having to beg their customers for more money. Its pathetic and completely immoral. Just as I willingly accept that I made a bad decision signing a contract with Sprint they need to suck it up and admit they f***ed up when signing with Clear rather than taking it out on their customers.

I'm done. I will not post in this thread again.
[EVO Shift 4G General] riggsandroid:
You can get the $109.99 plan for Employee Preferred which has 1500 landline minutes, so that you're paying $129 for 2 -4g devices. If you really are that unhappy - just pay the $70-80 ETF and move on.

Enjoy T-Mobile.
[EVO Shift 4G General] ecooce:
BS plain and simple,wtf are they thinking...
[EVO Shift 4G General] edgemaster191:
anyone read the press release? they keep mentioning things like "unlimited text while on sprints network" and the other carriers it says "unlimited" ... they changing their roaming policy?

i know it's been something like more then 50% usage while roaming they can close your account or at least restrict it.
[EVO Shift 4G General] cosine83:
If you read the (not-so) fine print, normal "unlimited" data is capped at 5GB/mo. It has been like that for forever and a day. Every other carrier was like that. The extra $10 REMOVES that cap and allows you to go over that 5GB/mo without incurring extra charges. You aren't going to get real unlimited data from T-Mobile, Verizon, or AT&T as they all have caps and do not offer uncapped data for a meager $10 extra. Your analogy fails because they are adding to an existing service and giving you more for your money. They're removing the cap and allowing you to consume as much data as you can not charging you extra for what you're already getting.

If you were lied to by your Sprint rep, that's your fault. It is your duty as a responsible consumer to at least look at the terms and conditions of the contracts that you sign into as well as do research. If you don't then you cannot claim ignorance as a justifiable excuse for being shafted.

"Unlimited" in the mobile world has always meant capped, whether you saw that cap or not. The premium data charge removes the cap. That's not hard to understand and you can whine and complain all you like but you'll still be wrong.
[EVO Shift 4G General] cosine83:
That's because if you're roaming they can't guarantee delivery of your messages but on theirs they can. They can't speak for other carriers.
[EVO Shift 4G General] wardfan220:
I agree 100%, why should i have to pay $10/line more for unlimited data when my plan already states unlimited data. The only consolation is that it won't affect only 4g phones anymore.
[EVO Shift 4G General] cosine83:
Your unlimited data isn't unlimited and never has been. There's always been a 5GB cap. Learn to read.
[EVO Shift 4G General] wardfan220:
Everything you need for the whole family - unlimited text, surf, email, listen, watch, find and, of course, talk - on one simple plan.

This plan includes

Unlimited data on our network: Web surfing, email, BlackBerry Internet Services (BIS), GPS Navigation, Sprint TV and Radio, NASCAR Sprint Cup MobileSM

How is that not unlimited data? Nowhere on my contract did it ever say limited to 5gb. Thanks, but I'm already set with reading.
[EVO Shift 4G General] oboroninja:
Its in the fine print of the sprint rate plan guide...go pick one up and read it. While you're at it go pick up rate plan guides from every other national carrier and you'll find the same thing. You are wrong. If you're not happy then go get Metro PCS, or T-Maybe....
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
I can't believe I'm letting myself get sucked in by another one of these threads.

First of all, I took responsibility for taking my Sprint Reps word. I actually did my research though. There is 4g Coverage from Seattle to Tacoma north of me and Portland South of me. I live in the capitol of Washington. Why wouldn't 4G come here? I looked all over for a 'roadmap' of releases of 4G but I could never find one so when a Sprint Rep told me that he knew for a fact that 4G coverage would be in my area within a 2 months, I bought it.

I read every contract I sign and I regularly question the other parties on the terms, I know that there is a "cap" on the data. I also know that the 4G fee gets you unlimited 4G (or it did until this comes into effect). There is nothing justified here, its just corporate games to make up for money they lost.

Actually, you're wrong. It depends on how you get your contract. I know a lot of people with completely unlimited data on AT&T.

The above is quoted directly from tmobile's terms and conditions. May reduce data speed. That means I can continue to use data over 5gb but they might decide to throttle it a bit. That's better in my opinion given that I rarely use even close to that much even with two android smartphones on my plan than having to pay twice for "unlimited data" on Sprint.
[EVO Shift 4G General] cosine83:
Here's some new and old articles mentioning the data cap on "unlimited" plans:

http://mobile.engadget.com/2008/05/19/sprint-falls-in-line-caps-unlimited-data-at-5gb/

http://gizmodo.com/393647/the-fineish-print-on-sprints-5gb-data-cap

http://blog.connectedplanetonline.c...r-behavior-on-3g-so-sprint-shuns-them-for-4g/

Here's a Google search so you can prove yourself wrong:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sprint+5gb+data+cap
[EVO Shift 4G General] cosine83:
Those on AT&T were grand-fathered in and will lose their unlimited plans eventually. You cannot currently get that plan anymore.

T-Mobile's data throttling is more than "a bit" from the experience of my friends. The throttling makes it as fast as 2G/EDGE.

The unlimited 4G is true and it also applies to 3G for those with 4G devices not capable or just not using 4G.
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
I know very well they were grandfathered in and I know that no one can get that plan (its the reason those people are not leaving AT&T despite hating their service). As I stated, I have never gone over my data cap on sprint so I have no fear of my speeds being throttled after that limit.

Finally, the unlimited 4g is not currently applied to 3G and if they do plan to apply it to all data as this would imply:

.

(I say would imply because they do not directly state that they are lifting the cap that currently exists just that it is doing differently than competitors which by your own links is not true) then will they refund any overages incurred by people like me who have been paying said fee for months? Personally, I've never gone over but if this is the case the 'just' thing to do would be to refund those charges.
[EVO Shift 4G General] cosine83:
You're not entitled to a refund.
[EVO Shift 4G General] edgemaster191:
oooh ok. gotchya'

thanks :)
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
Do you even read before posting? I clearly said I've never gone over and therefore you are absolutely I am in no way entitled to a refund. However, given how they are changing the scope of the charges that they've already been applying to accounts for months it would be the just and moral thing to do to refund any overages customers who have been paying the fee for

unlimited data

but have been charged overages for 3G data may have incurred.
[EVO Shift 4G General] egzthunder1:
Try to keep this conversation in a calm manner...
[EVO Shift 4G General] cachorropedorro:
Cosine83 is writing in an incredibly condescending tone.
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
I just thought that I'd add how happy I am not being on sprint anymore. However I should note that sprint did maintain the level of service I was used to while canceling my contract. On top of the rep visibly holding her indignance she gave me this line as to why I could not pay my etf then and there:

Thank you sprint for reminding me yet again why I was so happy to get out of your contract!

Sent from my Nexus S
[EVO Shift 4G General] wardfan220:
A buddy of mine told me yesterday that his sister just got the $10 fee on her 3G smartphone. She did not add a new line or change her phones in any way, yet they started charging her anyways. Tell people you know to watch their bills just incase.
[EVO Shift 4G General] G.D.Carter:
Since everyone is now being charged 79.99 (Do they sell any none 3g phones still?) Why not just make it everything for 79.99 plan instead of 69.99 + $10 fee, which just leads to cries of false advertising?
[EVO Shift 4G General] riggsandroid:
because the $10 fee only applies to smartphones, not typical clamshell type phones.
[EVO Shift 4G General] wardfan220:
Which are still 3g phones.

The Assistant Store Manager at my local store said that he wouldn't be surprised if they just added it into the plan soon. That was before the announcement of the fee to all smartphones though, not sure if he's changed his stance on that.
[EVO Shift 4G General] riggsandroid:
it's not a 3g data tax - but a smartphone 3g data tax, at least according to this article and wording in the press release..

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/18/sprint-increasing-new-3g-data-plan-contract-pricing-by-10-call/

Quote from Press Release:

Sprint defines smartphones as devices with robust operating systems that deliver a rich wireless experience by bringing the full function of mobile applications and programs to life, including Blackberry, Android, Windows Mobile, Palm, and the Instinct family of devices. The Premium Data add-on charge previously applied to HTC EVO 4G, HTC EVO Shift 4G and Samsung Epic 4G devices.
[EVO Shift 4G General] wardfan220:
That's the way I interpreted it also, that 2nd part of my post was more specifically addressing this question.

And what I meant by that is no, all the new clamshell phones are 3g also, but not susceptible to that "tax."

Sorry, I didn't explain that well the first time.
[EVO Shift 4G General] riggsandroid:
roger that. :cool:
[EVO Shift 4G General] Zardos66:
I think its time to drink the Verizon koolaid. I can port my number to google voice and route all my calls through that. Apply that to a friends and family account and never pay for texting or minutes again.

I get a 20% discount with either company, at least with verizon it will be entire bill.

Sent from my bathroom, with toilet paper.
[EVO Shift 4G General] oboroninja:
I call BS on this, based off the simple fact that the change doesn't go into effect until the 30th of Jan. Unless she has a 4G phone as of right now, there is no way she has a $10 fee on her 3g phone. Stop pulling bull**** out of your ass...
[EVO Shift 4G General] oboroninja:
ANY non 4G device that it active now or before January 30th is grandfathered into a $0 fee. The only way you would be charged this fee on a regular smartphone after the 30th is if you upgrade to a new device or activate a new line on the account.
[EVO Shift 4G General] wardfan220:
First off stop being an douchbag. I pulled nothing "out of my ass" just passing on info that was given to me.
[EVO Shift 4G General] Quis89:
Data is unlimited on Sprint. The 5 gb cap only applies to the data cards. Mobile phones have unlimited data on the Sprint network and 300 mb of data while roaming. Many of you are wrong....
[EVO Shift 4G General] wardfan220:
I asked a chat rep the other day about this and she said that the other phones on my account would have a 5gb cap on them that affects everything except internet browsing. How in the hell are they supposed to distinguish between browsing and downloading? So the 5gb cap is real and is for phones, i didn't believe it myself until the chat session. To bad I didn't copy the chat log it was interesting how she avoided my question of how can it be unlimited if there's a 5gb cap. Her reply almost every time I asked was "Your 4g phones will not have a cap on them."
[EVO Shift 4G General] Quis89:
As someone who has been dealing with it for 3 years....I'm telling you....there is no 5 gb cap on data on phones. Its unlimited. I don't understand why you all still talk to chat reps as though they know something. Its been proven time and time again that chat reps are ill educated. Phone data is unlimited so long as you're on the Sprint network. Off network you are allowed 300 mb. Data cards have a 5 gb for 3G with unlimited 4G. Same 300 mb cap applies to data cards roaming.
[EVO Shift 4G General] wardfan220:
That's a lot of hostility. I'm sorry but unless you work for Sprint, I think I have to believe the rep.
[EVO Shift 4G General] moneymike55:
Tmobile throttles 3g AND 4g to 56k after u reach 5gb on their "unlimited" plans, and there's a million ppl (myself included) that unfortunately believed the reps that claimed it was 100% unlimited and didn't find out it wasn't until a year into our contracts. And to top it off there's not even an option to pay more for what we thought we were being sold, so u guys should feel lucky sprint doesn't throttle your 4g to dial up and might be offering the same deal on 3g for $10 more. If they told u guys 3g was supposed to be "unlimited" and didnt mention anything about 5gb I can definitely understand your frustration tho. I'm about to switch to sprints 69.99 unlimited after paying tmo $95/mo to get throttled after 2 weeks when I'm already only averaging 1.5mbps on 3g, I'm just waiting for sprint's announcement on Feb.7 regarding this "industry first"...
[EVO Shift 4G General] jesusice:
Yeah, it is annoying that they never mention the 5GB cap but it still seems like a pretty good deal for truly unlimited date. Doesn't hurt that we already get a 27% employee discount though =)
[EVO Shift 4G General] jesusice:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe one of the recent updates to GV no longer allows you to do the friends and family trick for minutes. I think it now gives each outbound call it's own number. Texts are still free because they use data but you can't do MMS, only SMS.

Can't you port your number to Verizon anyways, though?

What I did is get a GV number and I use that as my main number. That way whatever phone number I have all I have to do is go online and edit it on my GV account so no one ever has to remember a new number for me. They just have my GV number.
[EVO Shift 4G General] Quis89:
I do...which is why I'm telling you its unlimited. But aside from the fact I've worked there for several years...I'm sure legally Sprint couldn't paster ads for "unlimited data" everywhere if it was capped. I'm telling you, being one who has seen insane data usage on phones....data on cell phones on the Sprint network is unlimited. Dan Hesse has said he doesn't want to tier sprints data. It will remain unlimited and this $10 fee will help ensure that. We have received numerous pieces of literature saying our unlimited data is here to stay. Its one of the few things Sprint still has over the other carriers
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
You're wrong. Sprint joined other mobile carriers in issuing a 5 GB limit on its EVDO connection, I was among those who noted that it was disappointing that the company sold me an "unlimited" service, and then changed the terms on me unilaterally.

The linked article refers to the cap but is mostly about the lack of a cap on 4G. There has been a cap on 3G data for a long time. Read your T&C. Sprint lies. Tmobile on the other hand has unlimited data that they (stupidly) throttle client side after 5gb which means that circumventing it via a hack is very simple.

I'd rather believe Sprint press releases than someone claiming to work for them so here are some more articles about the press release:

http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2343/64/

http://gizmodo.com/393647/the-fineish-print-on-sprints-5gb-data-cap

http://blog.connectedplanetonline.c...r-behavior-on-3g-so-sprint-shuns-them-for-4g/

I should note, however, that after the added $10 fee goes on all new contracts, data will actually be unlimited. But for everyone who signed up in the last two years being told you had unlimited data, you were bold-faced lied to!
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
This shows your lack of understanding of how tmobile does what it does and why people need to READ THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS BEFORE YOU SIGN UP WITH A CARRIER. Don't blame your ignorance on the Reps as they didn't lie. You can use all the data you want, they just try to slow it down after a certain amount. It is very easy to circumvent their throttling as it is a process done on your phone and not via a server. If you want to switch to a corporation that has hitched itself to a dying 4G wagon, go ahead but be aware that Clearwire is, on top of having a lot of money issues already, now being sued by Sony Ericson for the similarities in their logos which...there are. Part of the suit is an injunction preventing them from any future sales. Clearwire is going to die under this new lawsuit with all the money they'll hemorrhage while twiddling their thumbs in court.
[EVO Shift 4G General] riggsandroid:
Perhaps you missed the post where the MOD requested this discussion continue in a constructive manner....

Can you move on to TMobile already and stop posting in our forums?

I'm Shifting on 4G.
[EVO Shift 4G General] moneymike55:
Obviously you misunderstood my point bro, at least other companies put the caps on their advertising instead of slipping it in halfway through the t&c like tmo and then allow their reps to claim there's no limit on gb's or speed and you can tether as much as you want. I've been using the same amount of data as I have for years and now all of a sudden I'm being throttled for the last three months to less than edge speeds because they want to make sure new customers will get decent speeds. I never said I shouldn't have double checked the supervisor who convinced me to renew a year ago when I was calling to cancel, even after I asked 3 times about tethering. And the .jar and apn methods were working up until this month, and I have been actively working with the members in both threads on the issue so I would know.
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
First, I'm not sure how telling people to make sure they understand what they are signing up for before signing up for it is not constructive. Second, telling me to leave 'your' (I wasn't aware you owned these open forums) is pretty much the opposite of constructive. Its actually quite rude. Perhaps you misunderstood my use of the word 'ignorance' as most people take it to mean stupidity. Actually, it just means:

Which in this case is completely applicable. The poster I was referring to lacked knowledge, information, and education on the subject of Tmobile's data plans, there was nothing rude in my statement. It was simple fact.

As I pointed out in another post, Sprint actually lies a lot more than any other company. Not only do they hide the fact that they did implement a data cap on 3G data they advertise their data as being completely unlimited. There is nothing false or wrong in the way Tmobile advertises as they state clear and simple in their Terms and Conditions (even if you scan the document there is a bold header that says "DATA") that they reserve the right to throttle your speeds. If a rep lied to you that is different than the whole company lying to you and the fact is that there is a very good chance the rep honestly didn't know. He might have been told by his superiors that it was unlimited for simplicity. Most people don't go over 5GB a month (I don't, even with a huge amount of browsing, etc) so for all intents and purposes, for the vast majority of users there will never be any throttling.

Finally, as to my statements about Clearwire, how anyone could take those as harsh is just silly. I stated fact. Clearwire is in very serious financial trouble. Add to that a massive trademark lawsuit but a company with a whole hell of a lot more money to throw around while sitting in court and you have a recipe for disaster. The fact that you both took my statements as anything other than what I wrote is not my fault as I reserve the right to express my opinion in a clear and adult manner in an open forum such as this.