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[HD2 General] friend'scatdied:
Yes.

I believe Microsoft's image has changed drastically around the release of Windows 7. I have no doubt in my mind they will do a great job with Windows Phone.

I'm not sure I can even follow the argument BillTheCat made. Microsoft's image as a brand is far better now than it was a decade prior. Windows 7 was a huge hit. Windows Phone 7 is also receiving some pretty widespread praise -- in publications and in stores.

Microsoft didn't have to lie to anyone to do this -- they made very clear the lack of crucial stuff like multitasking from the outset. Yet the press still got excited anyway, and naturally some hype was generated -- and for the most part, the press seems to agree that the OS delivered. That seems to be the case brick-and-mortar with normal end-users, too. I'd say Microsoft garnered no undeserved hype, and let only the smallest slice of the market down.

It's doing great. It has all of the carriers and major hardware manufacturers backing it from the very start. People seem to forget for how long Android was confined to a single handset by a single manufacturer on a single provider, with a PAUCITY of applications available compared to what WP7 had at its beginning. I think you'd have to be a darned fool to seriously believe that WP7 has no future.

I'd say Android doesn't have much area to improve, it's a mature platform already. Remember the Nokia N95? It ran Symbian -- a mature platform in 2008. Owners of the N95 (myself included) scoffed at the first iPhone's lack of functionality, and the drastic omissions of both 3G and GPS which should have been par for the course by the time. The iPhone seemed only to be wielded by brand loyalists and fanatics. By 2010 I'd argue the relationship reversed -- iOS4 has been pretty widely lauded as respectable smartphone platform (despite still a few glaring deficiencies, like an unobtrusive notification system), and Symbian mostly seems to be the stuff of Nokia fans. Oh, and Symbian's open source.

In 2008, iPhone OS successfully made the typical smartphone look and feel boring -- it was a breath of fresh air to the market. Windows Phone 7 is arguably doing the same thing today.

Even Android was an underdog to Symbian for a time. The applications on Symbian DWARFED the number of applications for Android for about a good year, at the least.

Android is open-source and mature. It's probably the most feature-laden yet "acceptably modern" mobile operating system at this present time (WM6.5 compares favorably in functionality, but it's gotten stale to a great many) -- but where else does it have to go? The pathetic "improvements" from FroYo to Gingerbread (compared to the increment from Eclair to FroYo) are already a bad sign.
[HD2 General] THUDUK:
Having used wp7 for a week now, I am completely hooked, never thought I would be at all interested in it watched videos and images and really hated its look, been an android fan for a while, occasionally dipping back into the windows mobile world, thought I would give up on Microsoft, I even tried an iPhone but absolutely hated the Apple restrictions.

So why on earth do I like this wp7 so much, basically everything is smooth, extremely fast, slick and works so well that I simply want to pick up my phone and use it in complete harmony, the wp7 keyboard is the very best I have ever used on any device, the GPs is instant and magnificently accurate, sound quality is far better than android or wm put together, it seems wp7 brings out the best in the hd2, ok you initially miss the multitasking but everything runs and works so fast its just not an issue, Microsoft are going to be rolling out a newer version very soon as well with even more improvements, the app market is expanding pretty quick with some brilliant original stylish applications and games.

ok I thought no wp7 is just a Apple UI clone, how very wrong I was, I never got on with the iPhone at all but ok the wp7 doesn't have the whole open customisation and tweaking elements but that is not actually a bad thing as what they have created works so well, I think applications are generally higher quality than some of the android ones probably because of tighter guidelines.

I initially thought that wp7 would be useless for a business machine, bit yet I was wrong, office attachements in emails download and open easily and can be edited. Well.

i actually thought the other day that maybe its time to go for another phone, maybe a hd7 would be my choice, but alas how could i get rid of my trusty best device on the planet hd2....thanks to developers on here my HD 2 is the best...
[HD2 General] Swarvey:
Get sum droid in your void

1. Android

- It's free, it's open, DarkStone's SuperRAM build is lightning quick and highly configurable. It's just so much fun, compatible, up to date, and haven't had a phone look as good in a dock as my HD2 does now with the home screen or weather screen up. But I'm still trying to figure out what I would do to it if I could cook for it. Initially I had problems getting it to run, but I have since updated the radio firmware and now it's running excellently, I haven't even encountered the "robot voice" or the "sleep of death". Long story short, with the exception of not know what I'd do when cooking it and the endless advertising in the "free" apps, I haven't had a single problem with it.

2. WinMo

- Any build is good, especially those with the more finger friendly approach. Features and functionality are great, speed suffers a bit on comparison to Android though. I guess WinMo could be faster if it were loaded into RAM like my Android, but I don't know enough advanced stuff about WinMo to even know if it isn't already. Cooking is excellent, you have choice and freedom in what YOU want in YOUR rom, as well as you can always have more up-to-date packages installed, even from other devices, even if they're not released in a commercial ROM for your device. Customization could well be endless

3. WP7

- I'm leaving this open for the time being. But put it this way, I bought the HD2 very recently, instead of the HD7 or Mozart, because I simply don't like what I've seen of WP7 as yet. From what I've seen and heard, it's realtively locked-down and not open to much customization. I like choice in my phone as to what I want to use for an interface and I especially don't like the "pink" look, or the apparent cluttered look you get in WP7 with the page headings being cut off and everything just looking a mess. When it's SD bootable, I'll try it, but not holding my breath.
[HD2 General] d4rkkn16ht:
Unstable....may be you are right.

I admit that WM is so unstable that sometimes I wanna switch to Android right away.

But I have a bad experiences with MS product.

Yes WM is MS products,that's why it's very unstable. :p

Even my original Win7 disappoints me....a lot....it almost destroy my work.

My Win XP is better than Win7.

MS is focusing on the design more that functionality & there's too many bugs.

It's like delivering applications prematurely.

WP7 may be good,but I'm too terrified to try :p

May be after I have some times to try.

WM is terrible...yes,I agree,but "that terrible thing" delivers what I need fast & correctly....how can I complain ? ;)

I just hope Ubuntu & Android are getting better.

Ubuntu never disappoint me in all area :D

...And FYI....I'm an IT Professional, so I know what I do & say ;)

Oh yeah I forget 1 more thing...

To increase stability in WM,try to install apps one by one & restart 30 seconds after every installations.

This is may be because WM is very slow in accessing registry.

I find my WM far more stable after doing this ;)
[HD2 General] BillTheCat:
Don't feel bad. Most of my friends are still confused by what I say, and they've known me for decades. :D

Ok, just to be clear, I don't want to imply that WP7 has no future, because Microsoft has also earned a reputation for tenacity, alongside the other less flattering aspects of their reputation. There will always be customers for different things, which is why those different products exist. Time will tell.
[HD2 General] ryan562:
you obviously havent heard of the forthcoming Honeycomb and.Ice cream updates. Google's ceo stated that honeycomb will see a phone variation as well as the ice cream update. people seem to think that android stops at gingerbread and Honeycomb will present a DRAMATIC shift within the android OS since it has been built from the ground up.this is the beauty of open source and Android is always evolving.
[HD2 General] friend'scatdied:
I'm well-aware of 3.0, though mostly from the talk of phones without hardware keys. I'll withhold comment on it until it arrives, though I personally have reservations on whether it will actually add any functionality Android doesn't already have (since I think it's pretty clear Android has a laundry list of features by this point). As said prior, time will tell indeed.

I really like WebOS and I'll be really darn surprised if Honeycomb somehow ends up nearly as smooth and pretty as WP7. Native design for tablets is a really bad sign, so I'm curious to see how the translation works out.
[HD2 General] xlr8me:
This will be great if Honeycomb comes out with it.. I prefer all my back and forth with software buttons like WM6.5

Use of hardware buttons like android is so yesterday...
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
I'm interested to know if, after reading the thread I have linked below, you have changed your mind about how perfect WM7 runs on the HD2? Might you have jumped the gun and based your entire opinion simply on how 'smooth' the UI worked with your first day of use without looking under the hood at the issues that clearly exist?

I suggest Android, comparatively, doesn't have a long way to go at all. Actually, it could be argued it's the other way around as, due to the amount of time it's been around on the HD2, there are options regarding what build to use and it goes without saying certain builds perform a lot better than others. Like I have said, performance wise, there is no difference between my HD2 running one of the latest NAND Desire builds and my HTC Desire work phone.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=914485
[HD2 General] HectiQ:
WP7 doesn't even have a homescreen

this os is the worst of all!

apps aren't easy to install

browsing sucks it doesn't adapt

the only thing I like is the way the screen turns when rotating your device,

MS can stick it, I don't even want MS anymore on my beautiful HD2. Android FTW!

android is much more responsive than WM6.5(.5) ==> check swype for instance.

WP7 is responding better, but no alternative keyboards and so on and so on.

not much customisable so it lost my intrest the day it came out. My next device will definitly be an android device. Google rocks!
[HD2 General] lusjash:
my 2 cents

1) WinMo 6.5 (Energy! )

2) Android (for fun and occasional games)

3) WP7? - haven't tried yet

As the only GPS map for my country exists for Garmin that binds me to winmo anyways. So whatever i do i have to have 6.5 there on top. Android was too messy for me. Things like backup/restore are too complicated. HD7 lucks the multitasking which is crucial to my needs.
[HD2 General] xaccers:
WM6.5 with SPB MS3.5 for pretty much everything

Android for keeping an eye on work email as well as my own, and for using kindle, and maybe angry birds now and again

WP7 far too dull and clunky, animations are long winded, it's lacking (and will probably always lack) some features that devices 10 years ago had.
[HD2 General] shahr321:
winmo for sure

i experienced android os w android device. good when browsing. fast. no argument on that.

after 8 months, bored with android cause it just a normal phone like sony e.

before android i got xperia x1 ported with winmo. i miss winmo. so i go back to winmo with powerful device -hd2. meet my surfing speed, a lot of my work stored in my sd card (word, excel,pdf) for my business need.

with cht 2.0 + tweaks + stock 3.14 + some "every day" utilised application, i have the best phone + os today. thanks all.

wishing hd2 have 2 sims..
[HD2 General] friend'scatdied:
The marketplace installations are about the same in ease-of-use between Android and WP7. Sideloading by Tom XAP Installer is probably easier than ADB + .apk installation.

The WP7 software keyboard is at least as good as the iPhone's. It doesn't really need alternatives. Unless you're into and really good with Swype, it's a order of a couple of magnitudes superior to nigh every keyboard Android has available.
[HD2 General] mystik610:
WP7 is lacking in certain areas, but the stability/fluidity of the OS is one area it excels. Also, in terms of productivity and use as a work device, WP7 delivers everything needed faster and more correctly than any other device I've used for work. Better than Android, and BB even.

Try it before you pass judgement.

I'm aware of this method and followed this exact process on my HD2 when it was running WM, and even my old T-mobile wing, and MDA.

Having to jump through these kind of hoops just to get things working properly is precisely why I'll never go back to WM. The ability to customize is one thing and is part of what makes all of this fun (which is what I find appealing in Android), but being forced to go through tedious steps just to make the OS run properly is very counter-productive for what should be a productive deveice.
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
But I don't know anyone who uses ADB to install APKs (althought that of course doesn't mean there aren't people doing it). In my experience by far the easiest way installing APK files is via Dropbox or copying the APK to the phone using a cable and browsing to the APK with the likes of Astro. You can also, at a push, directly download the APK using an installed browser then install it. None of these are currently options on WM7 as far as I'm aware.
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
I have to say I am not sure why anyone using XDA would plump for WP7. I was personally disgusted and insulted by the very thought of Microsoft trying to copy Apples business model.

I wanted wp7 to be a fixed version of 6.5, not a ****ty rip of an IOS generation v1.0. Until it gets to something like the usability of win6.5 i aint going anywhere near it.

MS can stick it up their @ss - good work on the port by DFT thought, ,maximum respect to them for giving us yet more options on our HD2's
[HD2 General] mystik610:
Geez. Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?:rolleyes:
[HD2 General] raven_raven:
I think no one, this guy is saying just the truth. I kinda agree with him. XDA was all about WinMo, cooking ROMs and tweaking, he's only surprised with all sudden love for such locked and closed system lacking lot of functionality (it's nice and smooth, I have to say).
[HD2 General] ccezar2004:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that WP7 is iOS in a different suite... I am very surprised to see how many embrace this new "WP7 philosophy" taking in consideration THE FACT that almost all of those were or still are booing iOS... I just don't get it... now it's about jailbreak, apps, marketplace... wasn't this the iphone?.... what happend to WM?

i went through all of them... WM from the beginings... Android SD... Android NAND.... WP7 NAND.... everytime I got back to WM... why?... because you cand do everything you want with it... every system has its goodies but overall WM wins... at least for me... at least now...
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
I suspect the people who are bigging up WP7:

1. haven't yet had time to get bored of it ( I estimate 5 days).

2. Probably should find something better to do than waste their time on XDA

3. Should probably buy an Iphone when their contract is up, after all, their partner already has one but you cant get one yet as it wont be better than theirs, at least with WP7 installed you have some "newer than yours" bragging rights"

4. Probably have better looking but less interesting partners than people running winmo 6.5

5. For a living, sell useless products to people at stupidly inflated prices, or support said useless products.

6. Spend more money in wanky overpriced bars then they do on gadget awesomeness.

7. Masturbate at least once a week over Paris Hilton or Justin Beiber.

And finally,

8. Fail to comprehend the irony or installing wp7 on a HD2.

:)
[HD2 General] friend'scatdied:
I lol'd.

Someone sounds butthurt and almost comically agitated, for whatever reason. Microsoft must have done something pretty horrible to him..
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
You strike me as the sort of person who bought Windows Millennium edition and thought that was great too.

:)
[HD2 General] rr5678:
Don't you DARE remind me of Windows ME. The WORST OS ever. Ugh, all that instability. :p
[HD2 General] mystik610:
I suspect that anyone who gets their panties this tight in a wad over an OS had their cornflakes pissed in this morning.

Seriously though...no need to get so worked up just because you don't like a product, and because other people happen to think differently from you and like it.
[HD2 General] mystik610:
Apparently MS pissed in his corn flakes!
[HD2 General] jaidedfocus:
Just a few points to follow up on.

1. Analysts are often wrong.

2. Android has had a head start over WP7 but not over WM and definitely not over iOS or BlackBerry OS and look how fast the Android OS is starting to overtake those systems.

3. Microsoft could have done a lot more to ensure that the launching of WP7 garnered more attention but they chose a weak marketing scheme and the only thing they really did right was launch it on multiple devices on multiple carriers.

I hope that WP7 picks up and really takes off to the point that it is a serious contender, but Microsofts lack of support for their OS in the past (WinMo) would really need to pick up.
[HD2 General] friend'scatdied:
It's about time I fessed up. I was the one who pissed in the corn flakes.:o

But it's been made even now since I've been unjustly accused of enjoying WinME.:mad:

Look at Symbian!
[HD2 General] jaidedfocus:
I'm surprised at so many people saying they get so much usage out of their HD2 running WM 6.5. I've gone back multiple times and each time it kept making me mad to the point I was wanted to throw it away rather than look at it any longer. Some of the issues I had were:

1. Browser would stop while I was looking at web sites

2. Couldn't get the Skyfire browser to work and now it looks like they are no longer supporting it for WM 6.5

3. Music player had constant issues for me (I've gone through about 4 HD2s now)

4. The phone constantly would stop responding.

5. I seemed to have a limit on the amount of apps I could install. I'd get to about 19 apps, the whole phone would be laggy or freeze and I would have to restore, download a few apps, let it sit for a few days and then install more apps and then it would crash again lol

5. Apps were freaking EXPENSIVE!! Really, $39.95 for a Media player??? :confused:

6. Apps were ugly lol...I used the different app websites and the apps were not polished at all for some of them

7. Facebook stopped syncing for me. I'd hit reset and it would think for a minute and then nothing. A day later I'd hit refresh again and it would work but then nothing for a few more days lol.

8. Couldn't bill for apps through my carrier

I'm gonna stop there. There were some positives...

I loved the pre-loaded apps that came with the HD2 and the transformers movies. I love Slacker radio, Blockbuster app was cool, the task manager was easy to use. And once I figured out how to add customer ROMs it made it easier to use but I still had to do a restore every 2 weeks or so. If WM 6.5 looked and responded like WP7 I would go back but it doesn't :mad:
[HD2 General] xlr8me:
^

Well that is one weird device you had having those problems. I have not had any of those issues with my win mobile 6.5 and ROM 1.66 and 2.15 radio.

My browsing is so close to my desktop comp using FireFox that quite frankly I use the HD2 more than the desktop computer.

I really think htc sense could be tweaked even better with a few adjustments. Also opera should have allowed ad blocking in their browser along with flash 10.1support. That would make it so amazing..
[HD2 General] bajabaum:
1. WP7

2. Android

3. WM6.5
[HD2 General] sstfn:
Android, I will never use Windows Mobile/Phone again.
[HD2 General] Parsian86:
Ive had 6.5 with NRG and have had Android at the same time for the past 4 months. I put WP7 4 nights ago and also been trying Gingerbread NAND for 1.5 days and base on my experience:

1) Reliability: WM 6.5.5

(Primarily, I experienced the longest phone operation run time under WM6.5 consistently.)

WP7 was great on battery as well, but ive only had it for such a short time I cannot comment in dept or for certainty.

Android has been great on battery but not consistently. (However, improvements have been made. The new NAND version base on 2.3 seems to be consuming very little battery charge but again, ive only had it for few days as well so cannot comment.

In conclusion, WM 6.5.5: Its ugly but it works. (better than anything)

2) Functionality: Android

Primarily because it is a newer OS. Almost 100% of the features are now working thanks to this community. There are new things that you could do on Android that you cannot do on 6.5.5. (more apps as well.)

Not to mention the free stuff.

3) UI and Design: WP7

It's simply beautiful, smooth and sexy. But thats about it really!!! and oh yeah, it comes with long waited 720p. Nuff said.

No COPY/PASTE, NO MULTI-TASKING,... Stepping up to WP7 feels like going to kindergarten.

Overall:

In my opinion, if you want combination of the three, settle for ANDROID. It has the modern looks, (not as good as WP7), it has the functionality and almost as reliable as 6.5.5. ( I sure dont have the same comfort as with 6.5 if I were to go to far away from my cellphone charger)

Having said all that, I believe Microsoft is due to release patch to unlock Multi-Tasking and Copy/Paste. Until that happens, I am going to be running both WP7 (for its apparent low usage of battery and good looks+720p) and DS's RAM based Android.

I just love these OS's that I have to have them all.
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
Passion my friend passion...
[HD2 General] mystik610:
Passion is one thing...having an aneurysm because *gasp* the world doesn't revolve around what you think and what you like.

I mean, saying people who like WP7 masturbate to Justin Bieber? C'mon dude.

There are legitimate reasons to like one OS over another, and each OS appeals to different personalities/needs/wants etc.

You sound like a typical closed minded fanboy who kills kittens everytime someoen disagrees with you. It contributes nothing to the discussion and frankly, is a little sad.

Real talk.
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
lol, you take your sh1t too seriously, cool it Mr sense of humour bypass, it was hardly meant to be a serious critique or diatribe.
[HD2 General] d4rkkn16ht:
I never pass any judgment.

I said :

"WP7 may be good,but I'm too terrified to try"

"May be after I have some times to try."

Just re-read my post :D

again...re-read my post :p

I said:

"I admit that WM is so unstable that sometimes I wanna switch to Android right away."

So the conclusion of my post (near the bottom):

"WM is terrible...yes,I agree,but "that terrible thing" delivers what I need fast & correctly....how can I complain ?"

That's my 2 cents ;)

Now I'm using Energy ROM WM6.5 version (Jan 06).

Everything is stable enough for me thanx to NRGZ28 (YOU ARE THE MAN :D)

As why I don't use Android anymore because there are some minor glitches need to be fixed (as i read in the Dev Wiki).

When it's completed....I will surely change side ;)
[HD2 General] d4rkkn16ht:
I second that ;)

I also hope that the Linux (Ubuntu) progress faster than my expectation.

I really looking forward a FULL PC OS running well (without using emulator) in my HD2 :D