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[General Questions and Answers] vbetts:
That's because their high end phones are on Verizon. The Milestone is the rare occasion in this case.
[General Questions and Answers] canadariot2312:
I heard that was similar to the Droid.

HTC does have more experience in the smartphone market (for the most part, they only release smartphones) so maybe that explains why they can update quickly.
[General Questions and Answers] vbetts:
Exact same except for the GSM radio. Now why Motorola has not committed to updated Milestone, nobody knows. They've updated their other Milestone lineup, and even just released the Milestone 2.
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Lol compared to the other two..yes they are :). I'm guessing you didn't read my response about me being a previous motorola owner and learning my lesson. I bough the phone under the impression I would be receiving good customer service and timely update. But guess what...I didn't, and I learned my lesson. Look at the links, read my comments fully before you comment troll.
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Lol I'm not even going to argue with you because its pointless. I have already provided evidense via my countless links and articles that htc is the best in terms of customer support, build quality and updates. If you don't want to believe that...lol that's your poisen. Good luck getting those timely updates. Good luck on your future lawsuits against samsung and buying a motorola phone only to find out that its not a top end phone and won't be getting the support you expected. Unless you provide the same credible sources, I won't even bother reading your responses.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Eh, I love HTC and in many ways they do excel but I gotta say they are lacking in the display department. Fortunately I own 14 phones (11 of which are HTC) so any time I want to watch a movie I pull out the focus. Other times, eh, venue pro or HD7. HD2 if I ever feel like tweaking stuff again.
[General Questions and Answers] hungry81:
Hey Op, I like HTC, but you make me sick with your fanboy crap. Go slap yourself.
[General Questions and Answers] AntonJart:
Motoblur is a rare garbage. I believe only no-lifers want to know "what their friends up to on every social network." This is the only reason I still try not to buy the defy. Why the hell a guy, who does sport stuff and would like a durable phone, needs effin facebook 24/7? Wrong target Motorola.

PS: Didn't Motorola said that they would discontinue Blur? I guess not..

Back to HTC. I own myTouch 3G and love it. It is trully a killer phone of it's time. Now there is no real killer phone from HTC. Quantity took over quality. They make ten new models every few month... I believe they should slow down and desing a real phone, that would kick all asses.
[General Questions and Answers] morfy50:
Imo, they all suck and are only getting worse. And the real disrespect, is the disrespect shown by manufacturers towards their customers.

Sure, sure... if we squeak loud enough they'll throw us an update bone every now and again. (Provided you've bought the phone in their lineup they deem worthy to update). Of course that comes after they've got the next money-making piece of hardware ready to roll.
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Ok first things first...STOP POSTING ABOUT HARDWARE ISSUES. Yes all phones have hardware issues which can be fixed/ handled by sending your phone to be replaces. This thread is about the updates and customer support. I dont know why you cant read through my entire posts before writing. Your making yourself look ridiculous. No one is disputing the fact that their are hardware issues with ALL phones, what i disputing is the lack of support and customer compliance with samsung and motorola vs HTC. LOOK AT THE FIRST ARTICLE IN MY ORIGINAL POST BY PHANDROID.

Lol the thing that bothers me most about this post is that you continue to say im disrespecting people. Im an original Motorola cliq owner. I only said that i felt sorry for current and recently past Samsung and Motorola customer customers due to their companies horrible customer service and updates. I BACKED UP those remarks by posting recent articles from CREDIBLE WEBSITES, NOT JUST FORUMS OF A COUPLE ANGRY PEOPLE, that took the time out to RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS A HUGE MAJORITY of people dealing with these issues.

Lol and btw, the mytouch and hero users you mention were at least kept up to date with when their updates would be coming. Although the UPDATES DID TAKE A WHILE, HTC MADE SURE TO AT LEAST tell them the reason why and when they could expect them. Due to the lack of hardware support for such an old device. Btw i mentioned this in my original post post which shows me instead of being a calm objective reader you got a flamed head and skipped over that. Samsung and Motorola are notorious for ACTUALLY SETTING DATES and then ON THAT DATE SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE AN UNDEFINED DELAY. I remember waiting about 4 months after for my update and then on the day of getting a message on a forum admin that "oh hey sorry guys there is no update, not sure when its coming but they are working on it". No reason as to why they did not have the update ready or even if they were actually working on it. That my friends what i call horrible customer relations and customer support.

Oh and how can i relate this with Samsung...My girlfriend had a Behold 2...enough said.

Oh and while your at it, why dont we just stick to android devices please, i actually have no idea how htc handles their other platforms. I am only relating android device from the 3 manufacturers.
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Thank you troll, can you bring your negative remarks to another thread please?
[General Questions and Answers] vetvito:
No one outside tech sites care about updates.
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
lol this is very true unfortunately.
[General Questions and Answers] AntonJart:
I agree on that. When Froyo was rolling out for myTouch 3G phones, only people who knew nothing about it, nor cared about it, got the updates :D and its a wast majority
[General Questions and Answers] vbetts:
This thread was a thread bashing Samsung and Motorola, complaining about them and saying how great HTC was. Just because HTC actually talks to you doesn't excuse the problems they've had, and I didn't just post hardware issues. But it's not just about fixing software issues, that doesn't make the phone better. It's a combination of software and hardware. You can't fix one and expect the hardware issues to magically sort out. Plus sending the phone in doesn't always guarantee a fix. HTC won't even fix the light leak issue if you don't talk to them in time about it. And I'm not disagreeing with you on the updates, I've also stated that. Samsung was late with the 2.0 update for the Moment, so they went on with 2.1 instead. It wasn't a complete 2.1 build, it didn't fix the issues that it had. It was suppose to ship with 1.6, but didn't. I already put that down. Behold II was on track for the 2.0 update, then the 2.1 update, and now is only supported up to 1.6. Any Motoblur phone just has terrible support anyways and always have. No excuse for it, but not much yo can do. The reason the Devour isn't getting any type of update, is because Motorola feels that there's no need to update it all when it works fine. Sadly, that wasn't the case with the Cliq and it's bad performance. Galaxy S got the 2.2 update in Europe, but Samsung hasn't put out all the Froyo updates for the Galaxy S variants. Great job reading.

They told the same reason why they have late updates like the other companies told their customers. It's late, and not ready. HTC did the same thing, as I stated in my article about the Hero. Again something you didn't read.

And I've sold Behold 2s that were crap. I know the issues of it, just by being a Samsung phone alone it has issues. I don't think I'm getting through to you when I keep telling you I'm not saying Samsung and Motorola are on HTC's level.

Except HTC doesn't just cater to Android. I could easily post issues that Samsung and Motorola has had in winmo 6.5, but people were still happy with them for some unknown reason.

First you say HTC has had no real problems with their updates, then you say that they have but they told people "It's coming late." That still doesn't excuse the late updates. If you set an original date for an update, it should come by then no matter the platform, or phone manufacture. There is still no excuse for the Mytouch 3g being updated, but the Hero that's a newer model isn't! If that's not utter crap, then I don't know what is!
[General Questions and Answers] AntonJart:
HTC sucks in their own way. And they now moving into wrong direction. Before customer service comes - goes the hardware and software. If the hardware and software good enough - there is no really need for customer service.

PS: You looking into wrong direction my friend. It all starts with hardware/software

HTC - moves into wrong direction. They make cheap phones, that break a lot, and sell them for $449 +. This is madness. New mytouch 4G seems to me so cheap. Even on the touch feel. Same thing with G2... Old technology, but new prices.

Motorola - Has its retarded blur. Probably because of retarded blur they fail to deliver updates on time. I'm telling you, if there was no blur on Defy, I would get it long time ago. I just do not want to mod it while it is on the warranty.

Motorola is a promising competitor to HTC. They are learning very quick

Samsung - there is no secret, Samsung phones suck. They should stick to microwaves and TV production. But according to reviews, Nexus S might be that one little Sun ray that would save the Samsung!
[General Questions and Answers] Purple Drama Llama:
What are you trying to say here? That entire article is just speculation. Even if it does turn out to be true, the NS will still get 2.4 or whatever. It's a developer phone, all updates are handled by Google not Samsung. Plus, the whole diss on Moto & Samsung isn't cool. I've owned several HTC devices (HTC Fuze, Tilt 2, HD2, Nexus One). Yes, they had nice materials/build quality but I prefer my NS. It's my favorite so far :). I prefer the build quality over my Nexus One any day. It has a much more evened out feeling compared to the N1. I also prefer the plastic (just not the slipperiness), it makes it slightly lighter which feels much more durable to me. The N1 & HD2 always felt if dropped the aftermath wouldn't turn out so well. I've never had to deal with customer support with either company, but I can tell you there were so many complaints in the N1 forum about customer service. At least a few a week. Plus it had lots of build quality issues (dust under screen, failing power buttons, occasional loose battery cover, horrid touchscreen/multi-touch issues and mine got abnormally hot when charging). No problems so far with the NS build quality. :D
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Lol great job reading?...lmao. Once again did you even read the articles I posted? I'm guessing not. Hence why I'm not going to write anymore responses to any of your comments. I can see this is what gets you off each day so ill let bask in your fake forum glory, convinced you have actually won something. Good day sir.
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Now while I do agree with you on the fact that htc is beginning to pump out more phones nowadays, I believe that they are actually of pretty good quality in comparison to their competitors. I actually own a g2 and the build quality is solid. The technology on the g2 is amazing also. I don't understand why you mention that. I hope its not because your looking at the 800mhz because that's already been disproven to be an achilles heal to the g2. That processor craps on all the 1gz processors that came before it. With the mytouch 4g I can see where some people might not like the build design but I honestly believe that's just a subjective asthetic opinion. Overall its a pretty well built phone ( I wouldn't buy it because I'm one of the subjective asthetic opionionated people lol) overall though I agree with most of the points you made.
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Wow...you actually believe that your updates are handles by google and not samsung...lmao. I hope you realize how the updating process happens. ALL updates for any firmware whether it be 2.1 or 2.2 are handles by googled for ALL phones. Those changes are then sent to the manufactuerer who will then modify those firmware updates with a skin (motoblur, sense etc..)that fits the phone it is going on. The only reason you MIGHT get an update faster is due to the fact that you have vanilla. But REGARDLESS IT IS SAMSUNG PUSHING THE UPDATE OUT. So if they so please they could easily withhold the update until they see fit. Lol and if we are looking at the track record samsung has that is pretty damn possible. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Btw if you dont believe me then just take a look at the nexus one. If the nexus line are supposed to always get the updates first...then why hasn't the nexus one received 2.3 yet while other phones are being released with it?...it is very likely that multiple phones will be released with 2.4 before your precious nexus S even tastes it. Anyone wanna answer that for me? (legitimate question)
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Agree!

HTC all the way:cool:
[General Questions and Answers] AntonJart:
Motorola seem to make good phones hardware wise. Software wise - I dont think so:

1. Blur, which should be optional rather than forced.

2. Updates slow for some phones, and not keeping promises.

If not these two points - I would already own a defy.

Samsung.. I believe they are the worse of three. I saw stock galaxy S phones lag on a gallery... Behold sereis... But I might be wrong. Lets see how their new phones work. Nexus S by the way could be a little bit better since it bears a Nexus name. But its up to google I guess.

I earlier started a topic about nexus S being fail or not. I learned that Samsung owners are raving about the hardware being good, but software being terrible. So far all info I have is from this forum.

The point in here is - you, author, seem to have a hate erruption. Calm down, get a cup of mint tea, and then come back and argue ( argue as providing info, pro/cons and facts, but not fight ).

HTC have their own skeletons in the closet. G2 isnt that great as you think. Some people have their ones broken.

I also do not believe that g2 cost $499 off contract. Pure rip-off. Price it $350 and I will consider it as my choice.

Big negative about HTC phones is great overpricing. But its my opinion so far.

I myself still with original myTouch 3G, and I love it. Clocked to 614 mhz, with extra few mb of freed ram.. Super fast Froyo yoshi ROM. mmmm. Does so far all I need.
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Lol I think you mean come back and debate...not argue. Once again agree with ALMOST everything you said except for the G2 comment. Please tell me why this phone is obsolete? It launched with a brand new processor that beat out every phone that came before it, one of the best keyboards EVER on a phone (check any review site to confirm this), an amazing slcd screen and the biggest support of Cynagen mod ( lol he owns this phone personally). Please tell me the negative selling point BESIDES the fact that some people ( and I really mean some) had problems with their hinges. If I were htc I would definently keep that price as a starter. Lol nearly every smartphone without a contract upgrade running android id going to cost upwards of about 400-500 dollars. It sucks but eh that's why we wait for our upgrades.

Btw the g2 is also overclockable to 1.9 ghz...please show me another phone currently that's not a dual core hitting those benchmarks lol. Not even the nexus S hits those marks stable :)
[General Questions and Answers] Nastrodamous:
I like HTC as much as the next guy but you are a bit to much of a fanboy.
[General Questions and Answers] Purple Drama Llama:
Not when it comes to the Nexus line. All updates are handled by Google, not the manufacturer. And when it comes to the carrier specific phones that your talking about above, it has to pass through the carrier too.

Uh huh, so you don't think maybe they wanted to promote the sale of their newer phone before releasing it to the Nexus One. Plus, 2.3 is officially coming to it (Nexus One) very soon, announced via twitter in the next few weeks (like a week ago). Oh, and I'd also like the know what "other phones" your talking about are getting 2.3 (besides Nexus One). Nothing at CES was announced with it and nothing has said about other phones being updated (of course besides the Nexus One).
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Lol funny you ask. I know for a fact my g2 is getting it...

http://m.gizmodo.com/5713374/android-23-gingerbread-review-better-than-fruitcake

And also...

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2010/1...o-receive-upgrade-to-android-2-3-gingerbread/

Lol you do realize that you proved my point right? Why would google hold back an update to a phone that's on a completely differant carrier?( n1 is at&t and tmo or unlocked) Does that make any sense? Lol google does not benefit from this at all. What DOES make sense is that the CARRIER has control over this. Think genious, the n1 had to be purchased THROUGH google to be used on tmo or whatever. Which meant the updates come directly from google. However lol, the nS is a phone purchased through TMOBILE meaning they have controlling interest in when an update will be released. If you haven't noticed, google never RELEASED THE NS, they did RELEASE THE NEXUS 1 THROUGH THEIR WEBSITE! Lol so if you want to believe your going to get all these updates first...lol keep dreaming because if samsung does what we all know they do, you gonna have a nice long wait.
[General Questions and Answers] AntonJart:
Not true. Nexus S is a google flagship, meaning all updates would go only through google. MyTouch 3G, by the way, got updates straight from google as well. Other samsung phones, like Galaxy S, would get updates from samsung. And so on.
[General Questions and Answers] vbetts:
Because you have nothing to say to me. It's that simple. You've lost this, but ignorance won't let you admit that. It would be one thing if it were you against me, but considering just about everyone that has posted here is agreeing with me, or if they aren't they sure as hell aren't agreeing with what you're saying. I've done what you've asked, I've provided evidence, I've provided reasons to show that HTC does have their faults, but you've chosen to ignore all of that. That's a sore loser right there. Anyways, doesn't look like this will accomplish anything, seeing that you're going to just keep fooling yourself into thinking what you're thinking. At the end of the day, you're just going to be seen as a delusional fanboy, over and over again.

Google does not benefit from this? Are you joking? Look at how big Android is because of the phone manufactures! If Google didn't have any phone manufacture or carrier backing(The two main ones being T-Mobile with the G1, Mytouch, and G2 and Verizon with the Droid series), Android would not have taken off at all. Plus, it mostly is up to the manufacture of the phone to provide the update aside from the Nexus series, or other exceptions like the Mytouch. Let's say Samsung in this case, Samsung delivers the update to the carrier for OTA, the carrier does their little tweaks and addons, then releases the OTA. If the carrier or manufacture of the phone feels the OTA is harmful, they pull it like Samsung did with both the Froyo updates for the Epic and the Intercept.

HTC is great for updating their high end phones, as Motorola has been doing as well. But it will not be the pure Google experience that the Nexus S has. And I don't know if it's just me, but Sense gets annoying and feels crowded fast, even if I don't have any widgets up.

Should also put this out, HTC isn't officially the best. Nor is Samsung or Motorola officially the worst. :D
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Ah actually after doing a lil research I see you are correct good point. I actually didn't even know the mytouch was directly from google, I figured tmo was pushing the update out. Can I ask why haven't you upgraded yet? My friend who has a mytouch 3g just got the mytouch 4g. If you are considering an upgrade what phone are you thinking about?
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Haha awesome! They really are!
[General Questions and Answers] souljaboy:
lol this guy says hd2 has a deathgrip , call the doctor !!!

MOD EDIT: Go easy on the language.
[General Questions and Answers] vbetts:
Most phones do. The HD2, and the HD7 both have reported to have deathgrip issues. Not as bad as what the Iphone had, but bad enough to where some people recommended you turn off 3g and run on EDGE. Hell, even if you aren't holding the phone at all the HD2 has had reception issues.

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/12/26/6-bugs-that-htc-has-to-fix-on-the-hd2/

http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-death-grip-standard-on-phones-lets-test-it/ (I actually posted this link earlier too)

It's just a design flaw with them, all there is to it. You can't fix it either. Instead of flaming what I've posted, and seeing that I did back up my claim you should probably not say things like that, well since it's not helping your case at all. =]
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Haha exactly! He keeps bringing up irrelavent information. Hence why I'm not even responding to any more of his posts. Btw check out this article...

http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/12/...-s-musings-why-the-heck-did-google-launch-it/

MOD EDIT: Let's not call each other names, please report the post if you feel its not appropriate.
[General Questions and Answers] vbetts:
Irrelevant information? You're the one who wanted me to post evidence to my claims. Since the hardware is apart of the phone, it's not irrelevant. I could see it being irrelevant if say a headphone set is messing with the device, but it's not. In this case, it's poor build quality. It's not trolling if you're debating and have sources for your claims you see. If anything, you responding to me over and over throwing words like "troll", and just overall negativity towards me is trolling. You can't win by providing an arguable case, so what do you do? You insult the person you're having a debate with. Real mature.

My thing of it is though, you came to a developers forum that caters to HTC, Samsung, Motorola, and even a few Palm devices, and you expected everyone to agree with your biased thoughts? This is a developers forum. Where people from all over the world look and find the pros and cons of devices from HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc etc. The good and the bad. I've posted several cases against HTC, Samsung, and Motorola alike, but you've chose to ignore and read only what you want to.

That article you posted too is a load of crap. The Nexus S does not have a "1GHz Cortex A8 SnapDragon CPU." There are differences between 2.2 froyo, and 2.3 Gingerbread. It's right on this site and the google development site. (SARCASM Did you know that Nvidia cards were shipping with AMD gpus onboard too? Intel cpus also have integrated via gpus as well! SARCASM)
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
(laughing inside at post above lol)

I have got to admit that screen on the hd7 is pretty sick though. It not their fault samsung kinda shafted them on the whole samoled screens... I kinda wish they would hurry up with the netflix app I hear winmo has. Lol how did you come by owning 14 phone though?!?! That insane! What kind of phones are in your collection? By any chance have you taken a look at the htc evo shift?
[General Questions and Answers] vbetts:
Again you've ignored what I've said...Ignorance is bliss I guess is true.
[General Questions and Answers] pierrekid:
Lol I realize I made a mistake about the phones flagship my bad. The original article was about the new NS coming out only a month and change after the original. I was trying to point out the practice samsung is conducting.