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[HD7 General] seal:
ok the only bonus with the HD7 is the screen is better colour. The HD7 arrived today and I have already packed it back in the box to return, there is no way I can justify the HD7 being $600 better than the HD2 just because it looks alittle better and has a clearer screen.

Just my opinion.
[HD7 General] rysky007:
Hold up, when you put the OS7 on HD2, is it IDENTICAL to the OS running on HD7? or do you still have all the great features of HD2 with a face lift?

For example, do you still have your favorite ppl access tab?

Select all in emails and Sms?

Ability to view multiple email address from one window?

Tithering?

u know important things that HD7 lacks?

or once u upgrade u have an HD7 stuck in a HD2 body?
[HD7 General] ecyoral:
I will be receiving my HTC HD& today or tomorrow and am very excited. A new mobile OS is just what we need, all the great things that have ben done with previous OS's can now be attempted with mobile win 7. We have so great mind minds out there and I believe in time HD7 will be just as great as the HD2. After being hacked, and modded
[HD7 General] seal:
You are referring to the same operating system, so what you see on the HD7 is exactly what you will see on the HD2 with WP7.
[HD7 General] tai4de2:
I've heard of

"Windows Mobile" (with version numbers of 6.5.x, 6.5, 6.1, and lower)

"Windows Phone 7"

"Windows 7"

So what is "mobile win 7" -- some new OS from Microsoft?
[HD7 General] nexus14:
From a youtube video I saw, there are some quirks on HD2 with WP7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVtyetvVIQ

-Pinch to zoom doesn't work as well, like in the browser or in gallary app

-There are occasional instances where the phone stops responding for a few seconds

for full list of problems, go here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=914485

i doubt these problems will be permanent; once a development community forms, I am sure people will be cooking roms and issuing fixes. just a matter of time.
[HD7 General] mr_brew:
I've had none of those problems thus far. I also like being able to run Android from the sd card. That is why I bought the HD2 a few months back because I knew I would be able to have both wp7 and android on the same phone.
[HD7 General] Audio:
Right ok... so the "known" problems the Devs are aware of due to the port are not occuring for you. ;)

I just don't get why people who frequent these forums with a HD2 are complaining about getting a HD7. What were you expecting? Of course it's not going to be worth buying a HD7. Why would you waste your money upgrading when you can (for now) run WP7 (almost) fine on the HD2? Come on i thought us XDA members were at least a little bit brighter the the Apple community....:rolleyes:
[HD7 General] xma1e:
I have both and no intention of upgrading my HD2 because I use it as my alarm clock and GPS. Once my HD7 matches that, then the HD2 is most likley to go into a box. If I do decide to keep using , it I may put WP7 on it in the future. It all depends on whether MS will target these devices.

I'm happily running Android on my HD2, still prefer using my HD7 though.
[HD7 General] homer.web:
I feel good... call me James, James Brown... :D:D:D
[HD7 General] ruscik:
Until WP7 has GPS (TomTom or CoPilot), portable storage option, internet connection shearing and proper alarm clock function I will keep my HD2 running Android or WM 6.5.3

I got them painted recently to Ducati Corse colours, waiting for ocvers to come back ;)
[HD7 General] rysky007:
Glad to see some one else notice the alarm clock problems, Ive been yelling about them from the start, and in return, i was told "but hey its updates you when you BFF takes a poop"

read what is part of the update, not impressed, and not even a date of when it will be out, with Jobs stepping away from apple, this is WM chance to step up a bit, or Droid will or Google, hope they see the chance.
[HD7 General] seal:
Hi, Before you roll your eyes and compare people to the Apple community you should really read the heading of the thread, "WP7 released for HD2, How do you feel about your HD7 now?" I was just answer the question that was asked.........
[HD7 General] Rouz.:
He actually agreed with you by saying that If you already have an HD2, there is no need to pay extra money for a better display.

No need to feel offended guys :) I appreciate all your opinions.
[HD7 General] ceesheim:
that is because there are way more hd2 owners then "real" wp7 phone owners. and I don't think it will bring us something besides a lot of spam :( .

most of the hd2 owners will leaf again to go back to android/wm6.5/?
[HD7 General] enyaj:
I feel great!
[HD7 General] neo158:
That's what I think will happen as well.

Microsoft collect the IMEI number of the phone when it connects to Live Services for the first time, so the could do one or more of the following three things:

1. Ban your Live ID

2. Ban the IMEI number of the phone on the servers

3. Prevent the phone from recieving updates.

At the moment all Microsoft have stated is that they have no intention of supporting WP7 if it's installed on an HD2.
[HD7 General] ruscik:
Well I feel quite good about HD7 and HD2 with Android.

See pictures below now I am even more happy.
[HD7 General] evolutionqy7:
The wp7 rom on the HD2 was the reason i sold the HD2 and got HD7 :) only had to add on 70 euro after selling the HD2 for a new phone so quite happy :D

Battery life is also way better on HD7. I managed to squeeze out 2 and a half days with listening to music and sometimes on the internet through WiFi ;) at the end of the day the real thing will always run better :)

have to say i dont miss Android :) games are better and apps are better.

I think glance and go works as said by MS :) the only reason i ever go on my phone most of the time is to listen to music or check FB so integrated facebook and windows live really work for me :)
[HD7 General] THUDUK:
HD2 owner here (sorry to browse your HD7 area) the only reason I visit here is to follow how things are going on the HD7 as I am interested in swapping my HD2 for a HD7, oh yes I may be able to dual boot Android and WP7, run windows mobile and probably every other OS that gets developed on the device, but all I have been after is a device that does everything for me quickly and easily.

I have tried practically every OS out there, from iOS, WM, Android and now WP7 and at last WP7 really does satisfy...

Now the HD2 is not identical to the HD7, the HD7 seems to have a nicer screen that also has a better multi touch control, whether this just needs a fix I don't know.

Also the HD7 has the better capacitive buttons and dedicated camera button.

HD7 is guaranteed direct updates from Microsoft we have to wait and see if the Dark forces team decide to develop it or not.

I think once you decide WP7 is the way forward OK you may miss the faffing about trying out hundreds of builds of Android, but for some reason I have never really liked Android.
[HD7 General] evolutionqy7:
Well i just got tired of always messing around with the HD2. New roms, setting up all settings after a new one, do this, do that. I like the limitation in some sort of way. Ofcourse that will change in time once devs get a full crack on WP7
[EVO Shift 4G General] TraceU:
Well here is my take.

First: I do not have any of the above phones :) but I will be getting on soon.

I went into a Sprint store last night to get the shift, walked out not getting anything yet. Here is why.

To me currently its between 2 EVOs as I do not trust Samsung to fix or update anything, even if they roll out 2.2 or even 2.3 (skipping 2.2 as a Sprint employee suggested that Samsung is doing - I don't trust that but... whatever I have an Instinct and they dropped a ball on that with bugs glaring issues still in it).

So between the 2 EVOs here is what I see , any input would be welcomed.

Shift has better battery life, keyboard, smaller foot print, seems it should be faster at playing movies.

EVO thinner, larger screen.

So for me the keyboard is not a huge selling feature, I like it, but can easily live without it. Then there was an employee at the Sprint store with EVO and Extended battery. From all I've read/heard the extended battery on EVO should last at least as long as the stock on Shift. When I put both phones on the table the EVO was a smidgen thiker (with the extended battery) then the Shift.

So the way I see it the battery issue, is a non issue, between EVO and Shift so whats left is screen and keyboard.

I guess I will be selecting screen size, as bigger browser is a better experience, the way I see it.

From the above I am not sure I understand what is smoother playing videos (from the memory card) ?

Also is there any EVO issues (like connector problems, screen peeling ...) that I should put into my decision. Seems like where there but now are minimal if any.
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
I had an epic from launch which I traded for an evo two days ago and I bought my wife a shift on tuesday. While I may not have the epic right here to test I can assure you that I've run it through it's paces quite often.

First and foremost there is one glaring flaw in your testing and that is that the epic is running eclair which lacks the JIT speed enhancements and there fore its at a disadvantage. Second you even with that I have seen first hand how much more graphics processing power the epic has than the shift or even the evo.

As I started in your other thread about this, the shift has a second gen snap dragon whereas the evo has the first. Its a more powerful chip that has been underclocked exactly like it was in the desire z which has a stable overclock kernel running at 1.9ghz. The evo tops out at 1.2 and the epic overclocking was not "true" so its hard to judge that.

On to charging: my epic would charge to full from around 20% in about 4 hours while on and about 2 while off. I have not been able to thoroughly test the shift or the evo yet however I can say that I used to charge and use my epic all the time and it still charged very quickly.

Oh also for battery tests you have to keep in mind that while an lcd takes the same amount of power to display all colors a SAMOLED does not. Black requires no power and knowing that using dark themes as well as other tweaks I generally got about 28 hours per charge on the epic.

To sum up, I don't know a lot about .mkv files but I do know a lot about these three phones and here is what I know: the epic will always out perform the others on graphical tests. The evo and the epic will be close on productivity tests however the shift will be over clocked and will destroy the other two in productivity.

Edit sorry forgot to mention updates! The evo has received many major updates and tweaks that have made it a better device. The epic has received two and neither had fixed anything. One of them did make it so you could give samsung more money.

Sent from my cm7 Evo 4G!
[EVO Shift 4G General] fifedogg:
I have the Epic and the Shift and I really believe the Shift runs better than the Epic in the real world enviornment. I havnt tested 720 mkv's though. Are you using the same SD card on each device when testing?

I find the Shift most def faster than the og evo in every aspect. I havn't had one lag, hickup or anything what-so-ever.

My browser doesnt have any lag at all when I pinch zoom in and out multiple times as fast as I can. Are you sure there isnt something running in the backround hendering your performace on your Shift? I truely believe when we overclock this thing its gonna smash on both phones minus the graphics of the Epic.

Considering I've messed with the EVO a ton and my friends with og EVO's say my phone is def faster in all aspects we could test at the time. I'm thinking maybe your device isnt running up to par for some reason...Or maybe I got a lucky device because my phone has been flawless (except for the signal drop when holding the base of the phone) for me and even lasted over 48 hours on 1 charge with light use.
[EVO Shift 4G General] herbthehammer:
Someone was mentioning speed improvements with jit. There's all kinds of ways to boost speed, the way I tested was stock rooted with official up to date roms.

I have just copied two shows that were converted from 1280x720 3700kbps video bitrate mkv. The video bitrate on both after re-encoding was 2000. One video I left the same 1280x720 and the other I converted down to the screen resolution of the phone 800x448. I am surprised that BOTH are 657.8mb regardless of resolution. My common sense is telling me this should not be. It's telling me the 1280 video should be larger in mb than the 800. I don't understand what the deal is but I'm not going to focus on that. I did this whole conversion with handbrake, bringing the audio down to 2 channel stereo, 48khz, 160kbps audio. I will play these and report back on what I find. I'm guessing the Shift and others won't have any problems since I backed the video bitrate way down. Playback on the computer, I'm surprised I can't tell the difference at fullscreen from the original....
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
I mentioned the jit improvements because only the epic doesn't have it. I'm not sure why there being "a ways to boost speed" negates the fact that any device running 2.2 or higher will have these speed boosts, which both the Evo and the Evo shift do but the Epic does not. You are effectively testing win xp against win7. Its just a bad test.

Further, its mostly moot because if you want your device to perform better you can (or will be able to in the case of the Shift) install custom roms that will outperform a stock phone any day.

Sent from my cm7 Evo 4G!

EDIT

Now that I'm on my computer and can do a little research I looked up the .mkv format. To be honest, its a rather old standard and that could be the issue you're having. As I stated previously in the other thread, I test a 1080p .avi episode of 30 Rock and noticed no hiccups or stuttering at all on either my (very non-stock) Evo and my wife's Shift. It ran perfectly. Since you are using Handbrake, I'm not sure why you're using mkv as opposed to avi as in my experience avi's tend to run a whole hell of a lot smoother than most other video formats and it is works on pretty much all video players.

There is one other very real possibility that has not been discussed: When the Evo first came out and for a long time it was locked at 30 frames per second for playback of any kind and the same kind of lock could be on the Evo Shift. However, given my personal results of being able to play 1080p video flawlessly, I very much doubt that this is the case.
[EVO Shift 4G General] herbthehammer:
Avi file extension is pretty old but that alone doesn't really tell you what codec is being used. I think avi might be a microsoft creation too. There are quite a few codecs dating back well over a decade or more which use the avi extension. Divx, xvid, and indeo are a few that I can remember off the top of my head. Mkv, some mp4, and m4v are mpeg 4 avc. Mkv is one of the codecs used in blu ray, so its not that old.

I am interested in what codec, audio channels with bitrate and video codec with bitrate, what bit color, etc. That might shed some light on what might be happening and why playback is the way it is.

I tried almost a dozen video players from the market that had between 4 to 5 stars and an old version of demo player. Some played very slow. Vital player and demo/divx had very slow playback for video. I think rockplayer demo was the only one I saw that had a choice between hardware or software decoding. Either one seemed to have the same results.

The video that was 800 resolution, with the mp4 avc reencode, played with higher framerate and pretty much syncd audio. There was a noticed studdering and not butter smooth of video. I haven't figured out the cause of that yet. The 1280x720 reencode played better than the master but the video skipped and studdered even worse. Some players handled av better than others but weren't perfect.

I am starting to think that it boils down to what do I want to do the most with my phone? Play games, watch videos, record audio and or video, text and email a lot, etc. I'm loosing interest in being an intense gamer. If I want to watch videos, why watch movies and shows on a tiny phone screen when I can use my laptop? I might do some video or audio recording. Granted this isn't a real camera or camcorder, but it will work in a pinch. I'm not really complaining about the phone. It will do what it was designed to do.

As I said before, these are just my observations and results after playing around with them. They aren't scientific. Some can say its flawed but actually I don't really care about that. I did these tests for myself and am sharing what I found out.
[EVO Shift 4G General] herbthehammer:
Maybe if I have some time, I will make a youtube video showing all this stuff happening. I wonder if I might have got a lemon phone... I should go by the sprint store and play with the display and see if it acts the same.
[EVO Shift 4G General] Vipermuscle83:
I've owned all three for extended periods of time and have rooted the Evo and Epic and tweaked the crap outta them both. The Epic is a complete POS period. Doesn't even deserve to be in the same conversation. Their GPU #s mean absolutely ZERO to me because if you place a piece of **** in a tuxedo, it's still a POS. The Evo was a great phone but did have a lot of lag ESPECIALLY in the browser (scroll, pinch to zoom, etc) Battery life was just plain humerous and the screen resolution was just so bad that everything looked like it was washed through bleach before making it to the display. The Evo Shift is the fastest of the 3 BY FAR! It has no lag thus far, incredible reaction times, excellent scrolling, amazing battery life, and a clearer display than the EVO. I can honestly say that I own the best phone Sprint has to offer and I can't wait to get some seriously crazy Kernals on this thing and OC the crap out of it.

Please Note: I hate qwerty keyboards and have never used it. I'm not thrilled about the screen size of the Shift but will GLADLY tolerate a smaller screen for the crazy fast processor and unbelievable battery life. Not to mention I feel like the build quality is much nicer than both the Epic (piece of plastic Shyte) or the Evo (Nice but just no contrast on the body...all looks like black plastic) The brushed metal frame with the lazer etched polished rim on the front of the Evo shift is just beautiful. The back has a very nice look and feel but I would have preferred a metal backside like the G2 to complete the theme setup by the front of the phone.
[EVO Shift 4G General] etbrandt2:
Can anyone with the EVO and Shift compare how they play games like pocket legends or dungeon defenders?
[EVO Shift 4G General] Vipermuscle83:
It's really hard to tell honestly. Very little difference if any. The Shift's GPUs are slightly better than the Evo but it's a little hard to tell. I played on my Shift and my sister's Evo...I call it a draw, maybe a slight edge in smoothness to the Shift but hardly noticeable.
[EVO Shift 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
You should odin the epic to dk28 aka froyo and then do these tests

There's too many inconsistents in your experimenting :P

But yeah once the shift gets Oc'd like the g2, then its good.

The epic can only oc to 1.2, 1.3 stable and 1.6 max from the last time I bothered with eclair a few months ago lol

There hasn't been any oc for the leaked froyo :(

Also, the keyboard on the epic looks nice, but misses keys. Everything I type from here on out wont b edited so you can see lol

The TP2 kb was the best. Idk why htc went with the g2 kb and left the tp2 in history :/

I think this test should be between the shift and g2 considering sprints phones are different beasts for different people lol

If samsung were to be on par with htc on software updates, I honestly don't think either of those phones would stand a chance against the epic

Also, 720p .mkv play great on the epic...even subtitles! But I believe its because samsung is usingthe codecs from rockplayer in the market for the galaxy s video player lol so I don't think that's a fair comparison since its basically atird party app
[EVO Shift 4G General] kenvan19:
The 1.6 was a fake. Was not truly 1.6ghz and that was brought up in the thread about the shift in the epic forums...

Sent from my Detoxed CM6.1.2 Evo 4G!
[EVO Shift 4G General] cachorropedorro:
My brother has an epic 4g and I have a shift 4g. From what I've noticed the only thing better about his phone is the way that the screen looks and the screen size. I tried loading up a blu-ray rip of avatar and I don't notice any artifacts, lag, or anything different between the two. The epic is faster in anything to do with gpu? Then why is it losing in benchmarks?
[EVO Shift 4G General] sn0:
I went to Radio Shack a few days ago to handle the Epic, Evo and the Shift. I ultimately decided on the Shift and here's why:

The Epic and Evo are just too big. I have fairly large hands (can palm a basketball) but I just couldn't stand the thought of something that large in my pocket; I prefer mobility.

The Evo doesn't have a keyboard, so it was automatically ruled out based on that one trait alone. The Epic has an additional row of buttons for the number keys, which I liked, but isn't necessary. The Epic's "drawer" (I saw someone call it that in this thread already), or the mechanism that allows the keyboard to slide out, felt cheap and loose.

Making the decision of buying the Shift was based on the keyboard, the smaller footprint, the better performing CPU and the price ($150 from RS on 2 year contract).
[EVO Shift 4G General] saiyandide:
Ok, so I am digging this one out from over half a year ago, and I just wanted to see what people thought of the Shift vs Epic now that both have 2.3 and custom roms as I have a Shift at the moment but I can take it back and get the Epic for free. I was wondering as to which one performs better/smoother does better at call quality? I like the bigger screen and the number row on the keyboard.
[EVO Shift 4G General] notsointeresting:
The only thing I am going to say here is get the EVO Shift 4G if you are deciding between these three phones.

You ask why?

Simple

They are going to stop selling the EVO and the Epic come october that means no more updates or software support (except on XDA)

Thats just my 2 cents lol
[EVO Shift 4G General] saiyandide:
Yea I got the Shift and not the Evo because of that (well and the actualy keyboard) but saw this week the epic went on sale for free and I know it has a biger and nicer screen and in many bench marks outclasses the shift. Though Is like to see how the shift compares when running asop and oc kernal, because correct me if I am wrong but the second gen snapdragon should out perform a first gen hummingbird that's in the epic?
[EVO Shift 4G General] notsointeresting:
Not really. yea the second gen snapdragon with adreno 205 does really help close the distance between the two chipsets but a hummingbird still will outperform the Snapdragon in the graphics department.
[EVO Shift 4G General] shawayne21:
The Epic is a MUCH better phone all around.

Clearer and larger Screen, front facing camera, snappier. All that.

Only downfall is the battery life is going to make you regret getting it.

So, second choice is the Shift. I suggest you get that if you want a phone you can use all day.
[EVO Shift 4G General] strapped365:
Lmao :Rolls Eyes:

Sent from a Hybrid Supreme Shift