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[Desire HD General] SunjinSak:
Personally I will never again buy a Sony Ericsson phone. Ever! Not after the debacle that was the X10.

They have a horrible habit of messing the software up in a big way and then taking ages - if at all - to fix it.

Nah, I'll definitely stick with my DHD I think :-)
[Desire HD General] fkofilee:
i got rid of my SEx10 for my DHD, now the wait for the 2.1 upgrade for my X10 was well worth it but :), i think im going to stick to my DHD for the time being as the ARC would be good should you want an upgrade :)
[Desire HD General] dr.m0x:
Sony means good hardware and horrible software support. By the time Gingerbread was releasing they were finally getting around to updating the X10 to Eclair.

If you are ok with being stuck with the same software version for the next two years I'd say go Sony.

Sent from my performance enhanced Desire HD.
[Desire HD General] CitizenLee:
The Arc looks like a great handset but Sony (along with Samsung and LG in my experience) seem to have a history of failing to support their phones as soon as new ones come out... so personally I'd rule it out because of that.

Still, who needs manufacturer support when we have XDA :D
[Desire HD General] JamesBarnes:
I had to get rid of my X10 too, i would not recommend getting an SE phone, at least not at launch.

The x10 was a joke. (Although still the best looking phone ive seen to date)
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
i have to be honest the Arc was tempting me. It looks absolutely awesome, it has HDMI out which i really wish the DHD could have, and it has this really hyped up camera technology which is great for low light photos i hear (SE cameras are great in general). Also people are praising the screen which is using bravia technology.

But alas, sony's really poor support with software, and thir god aweful ui on their phones is keeping me from getting one. I hear the X10 still doesnt have custom roms on it yet. that's another major drawback for it imo.

I'll be sticking with HTC for now.
[Desire HD General] lodger:
Having only just got rid of the x10, i feel sony was a really big let down....custom roms are only just turning up, unlocking the bootloader looks to be very long way away. and the kernel which at this mo can still not be flashed and is holding what could of been a great phone back.Not many Devs working on the handset so it will take longer.

Sony are ment to have good cameras but the x10 was ok ish..
[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
Exactly what I was thinking.

I mean don't get me wrong the X12 looks amzing and feature packed but after what happened to the X10 I don't think I can trust SE again with software updates.

There have been a lot of cool phones been announced at CES but tbh no other manufacturer has made a phone that I personally would want to buy, i'm stuck on HTC! I am really happy with the desire HD!
[Desire HD General] mikecoffee:
The main reason for xda exsisted was HTC phones, no other phones gets as much support dev wise, that why I always buy HTC, of course they great hardware and experience. Samsung come a close 2nd these days.

But Sony Arc and even LG Star might look like great phones but with no community support, they are dead in my eyes.

The only other phone I'd consider which isn't HTC or Sammy would be Atrix the new moto phone, but then again moto in Europe has poor support, and they tend have stupid bootloader.
[Desire HD General] Grantzxr:
i have a contract up in april and i think i will get the LG star the screen looks so good and a good battery music to my ears

also just incase you think i am anti HTC i have DHD my wife has desire and my little girl has my old HD2 running cm7 gingerbread on nand.
[Desire HD General] jeRrRKKKK:
i dumped my x10 after their growing debate on multi touch and its poor battery life

ever since i gotten my DHD i'm so pleased i finally got HTC sense + the HTC keyboard that i didn't need to hack to get

don't think i'll switch back unless the arc has a better battery, i'm not too pleased with my DHD's battery
[Desire HD General] dazultra2000:
My wife will be getting the Arc on release as if she got a DHD she would always be confusing hers for mine (as she tends to lose hers a few times a day!).

I'm looking forward to having a play on it. I doubt very much it'd be worth an upgrade from a DHD, but for people on a Desire or below it might be worth a shout. Wife is still on a Hero, so should be a nice big upgrade for her.
[Desire HD General] dr.m0x:
Especially true if she isn't an uber geek like most of us are. Normal people aren't overly concerned about being stuck on, say Eclair, if Eclair is providing for them the functionality they require.

However if you know about these forums and frequent them I will bet money you are not a normal user so in that case the X12 is still a bit of a gamble for reasons already discussed. I for one am confident that we will get official Gingerbread with HTC sense this quarter and it wouldn't surprise me if the Desire got it in short order too.

As for X12 users they may well be stuck on Gingerbread forever. That wouldn't be a bad thing because its hard fault Gingerbread it feels like the coming of age for Android to me but when Honeycomb comes I will want it even if the new features don't change the way I use my phone on a daily basis, only because I am a geek and want new features to play with.

Sent from my performance enhanced Desire HD.
[Desire HD General] vicedens2002:
Until Sony releasing an android walkman, am sticking to desire HD ;)
[Desire HD General] dazultra2000:
Yeah, exactly. She won't even let me root her phone so I can put FroYo on it! She even refused to put the OTA to 2.1 on until I begged her as it would fix the things she was moaning about!

So I think the Arc will probably be ideal for her. I'm sticking to my S-OFF, Rooted DHD though :)
[Desire HD General] noobdeagle:
There is a video of the arcs UI in action in engadget and let's just say Sony is still bad with software it looks very slow and lags a bit in the video. I guess don't might work it out before release but the if the x10 is any thing to go buy then I would advise to stay away from the arc.

Imo Sony and any compact for that matter would sell loads more units if they would just put stock android builds on their devices as it stands only HTC sense seems decent and even then I'd prefer stock
[Desire HD General] pshdo:
I will not buy a SonyEricsson any time soon again...

I have my X10 lying in a drawer only as a toy, and spare phone...

The fact that Sonyericsson is lightyears behind HTC with firmware and other software, and the fact that they abandon a device like the flagship x10 after only 8 month on the marked, speak for it self...

And when they say that the new ARC is 4 times faster than the old x10, they hide the fact that the x10 also could be more than 4 times faster with optimized and new firmware...! the xda devs have proved that already...

Sonyericsson say they never will update the x10 to android 2,3 or even to 2,2, as they say that the users will gain nothing from that...

So x10 will be stuck on android 2,1...

And ARC users need to expect the same will happen to them also, don't expect to get newer firmware than what you buy the phone with...

The ARC don't even have dualcore, that many other manufacturs are planning to send out now...

I will personal NOT buy it, I would look at the LG X2 or wait for HTC to send out new handsets...

Buy a Sonyericsson and expect to get ****ed by them...

..

Sent from my Desire HD running CM7/PNK9 B)
[Desire HD General] QuadWord:
Never buy or wait for a smartphone from SE. it is simply not worth it.

they promise you whatever you want to hear/read but they fail to deliver in all categories. i bought a p990i and and xperia-x1 and the story is always the same: first they announce a model, then they move the release over and over again up to 6-12 months. they rarely make more then 1 update/hotfix. they fail to upgrade the OS in a reasonable time (if they even consider it). they drop support on phones pretty fast.

service, support and updates: FAIL

i did observe this on: p990i, p1, x1, x10 ...

they even released android 1.6 phones in the US after most other companys switched to frojo ...

-QuadWord
[Desire HD General] dr.m0x:
Dual cures core phones are not exciting me much at all. They are worthless until there is an Android os which is optimized for them, and apps won't benefit until they are optimized for dual core.

Just like when the first 64 bit desktop cpu came out. Most people were still using 32 bit os on them until very recently because most software was and still is 32 bit anyway.

Sent from my performance enhanced Desire HD.
[Desire HD General] cattleprod:
X12 sounds nice..but so did the X10 why i got it...BIG mistake i laugh when people moan about desire HD battery life and that it has smaller battery. but x10 has a 1500ma, an the desire HD would last 2x as long as X10 (x10 battery life is horrid) and sony are just soooo bad at surporting their phone(they will lie to you). that also gives me another chuckle when people start moaning, cause HTC have not released a perfect update for their phone and should release it only when perfect lol if they did that you would be waiting even longer then a sony update.

i would never get another SE android phone again sorry the pain an distrust is till their from owning that phone.

if you don't care for development ,customization and updates go for X12 but if you want those choices go for desire HD.
[Desire HD General] Defectus:
Isn't the cpu & gpu the same as DHD?
[Desire HD General] junta_mpb:
Sony, in general, has terrible after sales. Seeing as Android would benefit from regular support and updates, I'm keeping away from their phones no matter how sexy it looks.
[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
Yes it's using the same chip thats in our beloved Desire HD, snapdragon QSD8255
[Desire HD General] WingZer0n:
Thats the reason why I stick with HTC! :D
[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
And that's why I have always stuck with HTC. :D

The samsung galaxy s has sold so many millions of units yet theres no where near as much support as there is with HTC devices.
[Desire HD General] SEFanX10i:
Slightly off topic but still

Guys its Sony Ericsson not Sony!!!
[Desire HD General] junta_mpb:
Moot because they both have terrible after sales.

Cheers from my DHD.
[Desire HD General] kurolife:
Well the arc looks pretty sexy with some nice specs but with an HTC no matter what it is you are sure to get a quality product of course it doesn't mean HTC handsets doesn't have little issues sometimes but i believe so far they have proven to be the best on that terms.

You should make your choice based on this :

Desire HD: HTC quality,updates,costumer services, sense, htcsense.com, great specs (more ram ect )and superboot.

Arc: sexy phone, thin, overall good specs( better camera than desire hd of course), but at the risk to have the same issues as the x10 did have (sony promissed that they won't do the same mistakes again hopefully they ll hold to their promise)

Well for me if i m to consider a new phones besides HTCs it would the motorola atrix, (amazing specs hopefully the soft will be optimised for the hardware)
[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
AMEN to that.

I've seen the motorola atrix, that thing looks like a beast, fantastic hardware and a 2000 mah battery which is very nice, but at the same time horrible software and UI, motoblur is horrible. I truly belive that HTC are the only ones that know how to make a decent UI.
[Desire HD General] Martin5000:
I agree with most other people in this thread. Having owned the X10, I'm definitely NOT getting another SE phone again. I did like the hardware design, though - and the mediascape integration with youtube etc. And the Arc looks way better than any other phone... sadly enough.

If only the HTC could get their hands on the SE design team :)
[Desire HD General] Pruikki:
now like this if u agree with me...

if DHD would have 1930 mAh battery like ARC .

and SuperAmoled Plus2 screen would be nice...

and 1 Gb RAM Then no thinking about other phones...RiGHT or what
[Desire HD General] SorinRM92:
i see that no one is going to buy it :)) i think i am ..i am going to give one more chance to sony ..after the mistake with x10,and if is disappoints me i would go on dhd(sry for my english:cool:)
[Desire HD General] SAPPH1RE:
Haven't use any android phone from sony ericcson, but i say, go for DHD, as i did to myself...

Having use quite numbers of sony and nokia phone, all i can say is, they make crap phones, and not more than a mere toy..

In my opinion, sony ericcson already fall into the failed section, just like nokia and motorola.. Until recently motorola starting to make great android phone.. For sony and nokia, shame on them..

I really love the feel of HTC phone, it really feels premium and justify the price that i pay for it.. Oh, don't ever mention iphone, it's a toy, admit it.. ;P
[Desire HD General] braveBuddy:
the only thing that makes DHD a bit down is its battery and nothing else as far as i think i have been using it for past 1 month and simply love it i though have used SG3 and SGS as well and boy you got to say SGS is one good set but still I love my DHD over that and would not think about any other manufacturer than HTC from now on.

Solid build and good hardware everything is simply amazing.
[Desire HD General] j3yps:
After moving from X10 to DHD, i would say that i made the right decision...No more phone form SE for me :)
[Desire HD General] shah_jee:
PSP android phone will be a great contender, has anyone seen the benchmark scores on quadrant for it - AMAZING
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
psp phones has the same specs as the desire hd same processor same gpu less RAM
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
OK, you are either being sarcastic, or you have seen some scores, that I haven't. The one I saw was 1689 (you can see the picture here), and my rooted DHD on stock 1.72 ROM and kernel (no overclocking whatsoever) got 1843 without any preparation (killing tasks, stopping sync, freeing RAM etc.)
[Desire HD General] Blåburk:
DHD vs Arc (and perhaps also the X10 with Gingerbread)

Hi

Have found my beloved X10 Mini to have way to small screen for what I am using it for. So I'm looking for a replacement/additional mobile.

Being a SE user/fanboy. I'm going at length here buying a Desire HD:D

Having considered the Xperia Pro until recently but now aiming for >4" screen and the Desire HD

Seems to me like the half year old DHD and probably soon to be discontinued has similar performance of the soon to arrive Xperia Arc. Am I right?

Anyhoo... The DHD is much cheaper than the Arc, at least for now.

Should I reconsider getting me a DHD?

I know I could wait till after the summer when the Arc as come down in price and newer phones with 3D, Tegra3 and all-round better performance but then I would be stuck with phones that no longer suits me (Also there is always a next year).
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
The Arc has the same CPU/GPU, less RAM and less internal storage. On the other hand it would probably have better screen and camera. The performance would be roughly the same (given that SE don't mess up on the software side too badly). What should you get is a matter of personal preference. I love Sense and the solid build the DHD has, so the Arc is a no-go for me. Also HTC phones tend to get more community support than anyone's else and this is something that should be considered if you intend to keep your phone for over a year (usually this is how long the manufacturers support their phones).
[Desire HD General] Blåburk:
@tkolev

Thanks

Well the deed is done...

Bought me a Desire HD and two spare batteries (could have settled with just one)

Have heard bad things about the DHD's battery.

Didn't liked it at all when my Mini showed half battery power left, just to go down to red after a short time of use.

Will use the DHD as computer replacement away from home. Mostly surfing the web, as a music and video player. As well as for an odd phone call, now and then.

Getting the DHD sometimes at end of the coming week.
[Desire HD General] downesey:
+1 for getting rid of my x10 for a DHD, il be doing it soon

the arc looks nice, but the lack of freedom and inclusion of too much bloatware will make it a no go for me
[Desire HD General] jamiee6610:
I just wish HTC would pull tgeir finger out and produce a solid camera, if they done this it would give them the edge over most.

Its something that should be taken more seriously, more so now LG have a hand set on the way that will rock the boat.
[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
Desire HD is just too awesome, and it has CyanogenMod :D.
[Desire HD General] zaindon:
I agree Sony is too slow in releasing softwares updates for their phones... :mad:
[Desire HD General] zaindon:
When is Arc releasing in india???
[Desire HD General] Higgins12:
I got rid of my X10 2 months ago. Personally i will never buy a SE phone again. The Software support is horrible at its best.
[Desire HD General] Defectus:
With stock the battery suck. With custom rom it last two days straight ;)
[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
Hmm, Sony Ericsson's xperia line up to come with unlocked boot loader, interesting:

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/bootloader-for-sony-xperia-devices-to-come-unlocked-somewhat/

I wish HTC would do this.
[Desire HD General] improwise:
I have a HTC Desire and a Desire Z, and decided to buy an Arc as well (what can I say, me like me phones :D), and I can only agree with what you say here. The hardware is very nice, although it doesn't feel as durable and firm as HTC/iPhone, but the Sony Ericsson GUI customizations absolutely....sucks big time. Feels like it is designed by 12 year old japaneese girls...for 12 year old japaneese girls...
[Desire HD General] wander_jarra:
Sony launches the product and then forget any necessary update.

Sit and cry ...
[Desire HD General] FManning23:
Maybe you could wait untill the Galaxy S II is on the market....
[Desire HD General] maxfired:
sorry but the arc has to be something very special to drag me away from my DHD. after having an X10 with its total lack of support from sony, who seem to give up on present phones when they release a new one i would not trust my well earned cash on an arc knowing that sony always promise but rarely deliver.
[Desire HD General] baste07:
DHD is way better than SE ARC
[Desire HD General] lstan007:
DHD OF COURSE.

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[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
DHD is too awesome, I love mine to bits, but the new SE Xperia line up are going to come with unlocked boot loaders which is definitely a plus point worth considering, and for sure after HTC's recent locking of the boot loader on new devices.
[Desire HD General] baste07:
saw and held a display unit of the SE ARC yesterday. it's really thin, but that's the only thing about it i liked over DHD. processor, ram and every other specs.. DHD all theway.
[Desire HD General] jittery:
the arc looks good...but dont know if support will be good..
[General Questions and Answers] Lord.Nibbler:
Hello World,

I really don't understand why, but I know there are some people that want WP7 on their "old" devices like HD2 and that some great gurus on XDA are working hard to do it :)

Yet personally I just hate WP7 and I would like to know if the opposite initiative exists or would be possible : I would like to have good old WinMo 6.5 on newer hardware :cool:

I'd love to have something with at least 1 ghz horsepower like HD2, a big capacitive screen but also with a hardware keyboard like desire Z or HTC 7 pro ... running WinMo.

Do you know if there are some hacking attempts to make work wm 6.5 on new devices designed for wp7 or android ?

Cheers,

Nibbler.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
[General Questions and Answers] uberamd:
There are plenty of people, like myself, who would love to trade our HD2's for an HD7. Different strokes.
[General Questions and Answers] AndroHero:
i think you will find android is just as able to launch a diffrent os .... linux based os's like ubuntu can be easly launched from android
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Linux on top of linux isnt that impressive... and linux itself is kinda a letdown as is. I mean I know that its capable of a bunch of cool additional features but just like android you have to tinker with it for forever before it's usable.
[General Questions and Answers] xaccers:
Give it time and I'm sure there will be plenty of people you can swap with ;)
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Old?

LOL, it´s funny how now we are used to call "old" to a year old device:eek:

I prefer Leo because I can switch between Android and WM and soon with WP7 and that´s the freedom I want on a phone.

Doubt WP7 will have the option to load WM but if I´m wrong probably then and only then I should consider it.
[General Questions and Answers] DavidinCT:
I agree, I would love to have the "option" to put 6.5 on a WP7 phone...just gota figure out that flash card thing !

Just because every app for 6.5 is not available for WP7 yet and won't be for a long time, basic stuff like RDC is not there yet and I need it.
[General Questions and Answers] Lord.Nibbler:
I agree with you on both points : WM is the most versatile mobile OS ... and yes most of the time you have to tweak it a lot. Yet from my point of view, WM as a core and some graphical user friendly interface above like Sense gives to the user "the best of the two worlds" : a powerful and tweakable machine but also user friendly out of the box :cool:

I've also double quoted "Old" in my post :p

Definitely :D
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile:rolleyes:

Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more:)
[General Questions and Answers] Lord.Nibbler:
Just to try to clarify my thought :

even if certainly difficult, would it be possible or totally unthinkable to "cross-flash" let's say a tweaked HD2 rom, with some touch pro 2 keyboard drivers cooked inside, over a HD7pro or Desire Z machine if the hardware between HD2 and HD7pro/Desire Z are quite similar ? :cool:
[General Questions and Answers] Lord.Nibbler:
I also think WM is just 10000 better and more powerful than WP7

Personally I just don't understand why WP7 is making such a buzz ... and even inside the techno-geeks people community :p

What makes me sad it is not that m$ has made WP7 ... (if some people are willing to pay to have a uglier and not customizable OS with less features, it's after all their choice :rolleyes:) ... what makes me sad is that WM a much more capable and versatile OS is dying :(
[General Questions and Answers] Monty Burns:
One day working with WP7 on a hacked device gives you a firm base to run a compare of the two? I don't think so mate, that would be poor journalism at best.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
Eh, I agree except the uglier part. People for the most part arent members of XDA developers. Who wants a phone that you have to tweak for days before it becomes something functional? Maybe an XDA member. Who wants a phone that you still have to bust a stylus out sometimes to hit some menu options? Maybe an XDA member. I would trade all of that in any day for the most fluid UI, intelligent keyboard, and music interface on a phone to date.
[General Questions and Answers] zedd_D1abl0:
The reason for this is ......... just because.

The HTC HD2 is an awesome phone, that should be the basis of any number of other phones. Its very hackable, its stable, it works well, its epically user-friendly and it doesn't have any significant downsides. Its also very easy to change the bootloader on and we've seen the effectiveness of MAGLDR and other options.

Asking why is sort of like asking why Linux exists. It exists because its something people find useful and interesting. Some people find it awesome to hack, some find it great to use. Most don't know about it and never change their phone in any way.

I'm personally waiting to see iOS4 running on the HD2. That will be interestingly epic.