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[EVO 4G General] freeza:
I've reached my "Thanks" limit but this is one of the better posts in this thread. That and the recent concern with phones dropping 10% quick. No smartphone i've owned before the Touch Pro exhibited this behavior. I haven't seen it on Blackberries, or on the iPhone. But, ya know....I'm not an EE, so my opinion isn't valid in this discussion. :)

I'm wondering how the charging code for closed source phones like Windows Mobile 6.x differs from the recent models. Battery life has always pretty much sucked on smartphones, but it's only been recently that the curiosity over the 10% drop started coming to light.
[EVO 4G General] Mac N Ts Daddy:
Put this Thread to Bed!

Can we all just move on?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I've yet to see a qualified person properly debate for SBC. What I have seen is a bunch of unqualified posters debate against those who are; and this isn't the only thread where this has happened.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
The fact is, your opinion is not valid. No OEM would trust your advice or opinion on developing/designing anything. Why should we trust your or anyone else's unqualified opinion? It's as simple as that.
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
I've only ever used a wall or usb charger while the battery was in my phone so I can't speak to your results. However, I feel this is a very good question. It would seem they're operating on the same concept as the SBC kernels. If they were dangerous to our batteries they would've been pulled off the shelves by now. I'm not a developer or an engineer so my thoughts are all speculation based off everything I've read on this subject.

Sent from my HTC Supersonic
[EVO 4G General] freeza:
Qualified because of what? pasting links to battery websites? touting "EE" status?

Sorry, but just because someone isn't qualified by a piece of paper doesn't make their opinions, debates, or discussions any less valuable than someone who claims to be qualified. This isn't a monarchy, it's a place where people of all qualifications can discuss various things without having people with a God complex tell them they don't count because they have no qualifications.

This forum is not an OEM, so that statement is invalid. We're a bunch of regular joes discussing a mod.

I could just as easily have came in here touting my qualifications before stating my opinions and would have gotten recognized as someone who qualifies to debate based on telling you about my qualifications? Seriously?
[EVO 4G General] raiderinks:
First off, this is an excellent question. Let me address the trickle system first. It may not mean the same thing to everyone here, but it does have a specific meaning in industry. The reason they are avoided has nothing to do with litigation. It is an incompatible technology with Li-Ion batteries. Plain and simple.

This next part is purely speculation. As for why last generation phones didn't experience the 10% drop, well, you have to understand the way product managers that work for manufacturers approach their job. Suppose they did a bunch of market research surveys with random customers, and 50% of them complained that the battery needed to be replaced after 6 months and those customers saw that didn't happen on other devices. Maybe they say that is a reason they wouldn't buy. So the product manager goes to engineering and says how can we fix this? I want to make the battery life last longer before replacement. That is a pretty believable scenario, but still speculation.

Now, about the wall charger. You have prompted me to email Seidio and ask, but I don't know for sure. When I purchased mine I operated under the assumption that because it was explicitly for a Li-Ion battery that it would charge using the correct method. There is nothing wrong with charging using the correct method to a higher but within tolerance charge inside of the phone so long as the devices managing the charging are capable of controlling it within those tolerances. The big question is whether or not the SBC kernels are using the proper methods or if they are doing something known to cause battery damage. For my money, Seidio employs EE's and I expect them to be doing their jobs (as well as the UL certification lab they use).
[EVO 4G General] freeza:
Thanks. I would have thanked this post as well, if my limit wasn't reached. Lot of good points. Look, I understand it's normal to question mods that claim to do fantastic things and wonder why the OEMs couldn't have done it for us in the first place. I understand there has to be two sides to every coin, and thanks for addressing my last generation topic. Everyone's opinions in this thread should count for something, that's all.
[EVO 4G General] raiderinks:
Yes and no. First of all, I stated up front that I am not qualified to publish papers on this topic. I am, however, qualified to point out serious flaws in what is going on. I am qualified to educate people on the very basics of battery systems because I understand the very well put together information from a site I deem to be valid. Many without EE (or equivalent) training won't really grasp the information over there. I am not an elitist about my degree. If I could do it all over again, I would have skipped college outright and just started working somewhere I could learn while doing. But if someone hasn't done more with EE than plug in a stereo system, it is hard for them to comprehend everything that is going on. There is a reason engineers are usually paid pretty well compared to other degrees right out of school. There are lots of things to consider and it isn't easy.

If you think I am full of it, look around at my information. It is not hard to figure out my name and where I went to school, but that isn't your real point, is it? I really don't have anything to gain here. Quite frankly, I have other things going on, but I am spending plenty of time on this trying to explain things as best I can to anyone that has questions. I understand that you don't appreciate my opinion, but do you really need to lob the passive aggressive stuff out? Please just let the people that have questions ask them.
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
Amen to this!
[EVO 4G General] freeza:
That was directed at Award Tour, not you. I used you as a scapegoat because you're the only one in here that is an EE. You're not the one shooting down people's questions because they're not qualified. He did. Trust me, I value yours and anyone else's opinion who can bring valid speculation to the thread, and I do appreciate you bringing your knowledge to the light. If no one questioned things around here, we'd blindly install and follow whatever any dev [crooked or honest] wanted to put out.
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
hello kettle, this is the pot, your black
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
My point still stands. Why should anyone take your opinion seriously? You are not qualified and thus anything you say should not be trusted. I don't see how there's any room for argument on that. It doesn't mean that those who are qualified don't make mistakes or are always right, but I sure as hell would take what they say 100x more seriously.

PS: This isn't a monarchy. You have every right to say whatever the hell you want regardless of how wrong or baseless it is. And if people want to listen to you, then well, it's up to them. My only point is that you and other very vocal posters would not be in position to make these decisions in a professional environment.
[EVO 4G General] freeza:
Luckily for me and every other very vocal poster, this isn't a professional environment, it's an internet forum. So again, why should we not be taken seriously?
[EVO 4G General] raiderinks:
Alright you two. You have both sufficiently made your points. Can we *please* get back to the topic at hand? I am begging you guys.
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
i guess we really can spot the iphone users :D :D :D ....ignore list updated!
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
How about this: why should I take ya'll seriously?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I can always spot the people with no real arguments.
[EVO 4G General] freeza:
Deal! :D

Anyway, I really would like to know how wall chargers differ from charging via phone.

Maybe the phone's electronics are too complex and sensitive to charge the same way a dedicated wall charger does reliably? Either that or aftermarket OEMs don't conform to standards and rely more on the battery's circuitry to cut off charges as opposed to regulating it like software from a phone can; hence cheap aftermarket chargers on eBay that go for $3 lol
[EVO 4G General] raiderinks:
Yeah, I am curious about the wall chargers too. It is possible they just rely on the battery cutoff, but that is a bad plan. AFAIK, those are meant to be fail safes, not active use devices, but I could be wrong there.

The auto-reply from Seidio said I should hear back in 24 to 48 hours.
[EVO 4G General] skylar.sutton:
By your logic, charging batteries is dangerous so I shouldn't use a phone. See what I did there? I took your sensationalist metaphor and made it even more sensationalist.

I think a better example would be: If the OP was a mechanical engineer, specialized in engine internals... he's not qualified to design brake systems, but he is qualified enough to state "smearing petroleum jelly on your brake rotors is a bad idea".

Yes, he's not a battery specific EE... but he's an EE and the most educated one here right now.
[EVO 4G General] raiderinks:
I am working on fixing that problem.
[Adam General] jamesey10:
How powerful is the Adam's video out. If I have an 8gb .mkv in 1080p, will the Adam be able to play it smoothly on a 50 inch TV? How about if that same file is playing from an external USB hard drive connected by USB.
[Adam General] tdh_andy:
Some of these factors don't count(File size, tv size).

If adam supports 1080p output any hd tv with the right connection (hdmi) will work. As for mkv it depends, mkv is just a container, depends on the codecs used for audio, video; anyway, the hardware is capable of outputting hd video, most other variables are in the software, and if the delivered software isn't enough, we will always hack it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] WarlockW:
So .. It Seems the with SD / RAM / NAND

My Poor HD2 Takes Forever to boot!

Lets Post Some Speeds ... See How It Is Compared!

Mine NAND is ..

Boot Loader : 24.5 < Were go go go Ends

Service and Lock Screen : 245.5

Lock Screen With Service & Data : 258.5

Total: 283 Secs = 4.72 Minutes ????

Seems Like a Lot .. When WM Boots in what 1-3?

RAM was very fast .. But you had to boot WM First so .. 1-3 for WM and 1-2 for RAM ?

So I Guess About the same LOL

:confused::mad::(:eek::rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jose makalolot:
Check the video in mdj's nand threads, it's less than 3mins.

Mine is 2minsfrom magldr to cmylxgo 1.3n.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hacksor:
What build are you using? Mine doesn't seem to take that long (mdj's cm7 build) ... also how many times have you rebooted the device? I usually set critical things up first boot then reboot then set up personal non-critical things then reboot again so as to let the rom settle in =] you also should disable GPS and bt as those might cause delay in bootup =] hope that helped
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] WarlockW:
Hmmm I Am On 2.0.1n Thats Interesting - 2 full minutes longer ?

I Wonder Why >?

CMYLXGO's Stock Desire HD v2.0.1n

Yea .. they are off .. Both are GPS and BT ..

I am Just Really Curious What Others are getting :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] downloadzy:
hey,

nice idea what you bring here :)

it will help us to decide witch build is faster

for mine, it takes exactly 01:19sec from blank screen shutdown to receive the network signal and ready for usage.

I'm using Gingerbread recovery build at this link: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=877777

it is not very fast as I expect, but good one.

any way, thanks for this idea,

(I'm really excited to see the results of other users)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] WarlockW:
Wow Nice ..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Archer:
I'm using NexusHD2 Gingerbread NAND (available here), and I'm gobsmacked by the above "speeds".

From power off to lockscreen with data it takes me 49 seconds.

An Android restart (not full power off, but an app running a reboot of Android) takes 20 seconds.

I didn't realise other builds were so slow :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] WarlockW:
Kicks .. johncmolyneux In The $#@$ Really ? Nand > or ?

( I Hate You ) lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Archer:
NAND mate - I've updated the above post with a link to it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] SammyG80:
Im using NANDroid JDSM v1.6.2, complete reboot time is 54 sec. OC to 1190Mhz and reboot times drop to 41 sec.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hacksor:
I'm confused...do you have the NexusHD2 Gingerbread build? Or the Froyo build? 'Cause you linked the Froyo...lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Archer:
Sorry - my bad. It's fixed now, and it's the Gingerbread build.

Cheers mate :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] buzz killington:
From power off, 50 sec to lock screen, another 10s to get carrier and finish sd check. This is on tytung's gingerbread build.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] WarlockW:
Kicks .. EVERYONE In The $#@$

I knew this was a bad idea LOL
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Archer:
LOL

Get some Gingerbread on your phone. You won't regret it ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] buzz killington:
I don't know that it's necessarily gingerbread. The boot time for jdms is about the same for me. Also it only took 14 seconds from power off to go go go. So it's a little wierd what your phone is doing, it's almost like it's running on reduced power or something.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] WarlockW:
Yea .. Seems like a lot to me also .. just for the boot launcher 24.5
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] raffozz:
My gauner HD-FI 0.3 starts in 3-4min..

Uhmm...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shuntje:
did you do a task 29 before you started with your current nand rom ?

I had the same problem i came from a Winmo rom and dumped android on it and boot time was HORRIBELE. Did a task 29 and my HD2 boots in under a min now.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] WarlockW:
Hmmmm... I dont remember lol will give that a try! Thanks!

Sent from my HTC HD2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] chu128:
I wonder if anyone has encountered the situation that using Android on Tmobile TP2 messed up the 5.99 Tzone data plan. I tried Android in the past but it seems to mess up the data plan. I will get error message that you phone cannot use this data plan and ask me to upgrade. I have to turn off the phone for a while and restart in WM to be able to use the data plan again.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
TMO might be upset that you're using an Android phone on a non-Android data plan...

Not sure, my carrier (Sprint) couldn't care less - at least I haven't had any issues or complaints from their side, and everything "just works" for me. Might want to contact your provider - I wouldn't tell them what you're doing per se, just that you're getting the error and where is it coming from. If they start asking questions about Android... not sure where that'll take you. Since you're not flashing a ROM, technically I don't think it's against their use policy, but again that's really up to your provider - and possibly the rep you get ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jchutch2:
You have to change the APN. You're probably set to epc.tmobile.com as your server. You need to change it to internet2.voicestream.com. That's basically how t-mobile determines which plan you have. internet2 is what non "smart phone" devices use. I've been doinking with it constantly. Also, if you upgrade to the recent froyo x, you'll see the "simple" APN. This is set up completely perfect for tmobile users. Set it as your default.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] chu128:
I haven't seen anyone mentioned this in the TP2 Android forum and I thought it is just me. I never think of modifying the apn. Thanks you all for answering by question.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] DennisSclan8:
Yep they're catching on apparently, been playing for the last 7 months or so without a problem and now I get redirect to internet and suggested TMo plans for Android use. What the heck, like a persons sucking Tmo dry playing occasionally right (thought I was cheap), like wise bounce back to windows I'm ok light off the droid - done, none of the "switch to's" trip them up, helluva watch dog they got, lol. Fun while it lasted Wifi good, but really need my EMails :(
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Halabeaster54:
Can I use metro pcs's lte network on the thunderbolt 4g for verizon? I'm going to metro for a couple of months before I go to verizon and when is this beast coming out? If not can i use an Evo on boost mobile 4g or Metro PCS LTE?
[EVO 4G General] ducats:
Ok, just for S's & G's ... I decided to try the data throttling removal zip Myn provided with RLS5. Now in my area I've had speeds as high as 8mb DL, but generally hover around 1.5mb. Not really what I expect from "blazing fast 4G" lol.

So I ran about 30 speed tests before I installed the removal zip. They all looked very similar to this. (No links = FAIL)

1.75mb DL & 0.45mb UL

I installed the zip file and ran another 30 or so tests. They all looked very similar to this. (FAIL again!)

3.45mb DL & 0.90mb UL

I did this between the hours of 8pm and 9pm, why service really starts to get laggy. It still can't eat a Twinkie faster than a fat girl... but I'll take what I can get.

Anyone else using this??
[EVO 4G General] mikel719:
Where did you get this? Can you post it for download? Will it only work on his roms?
[EVO 4G General] drmacinyasha:
http://goo-inside.me/myn/extras/

AFAIK, it'll only work on RLS5, but if the services.jar is unchanged between Sense ROMs, then it should work on others. Just take a Nandroid and try it yourself.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Sorry to say this has been proven to do nothing on Sprint.

[Well, except for make part of the settings section force close]

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=863923

Any "throttling" or "governing" that Sprint does is server side.

Glad your 4g is performing better as of late but removing those files didn't cause it.
[EVO 4G General] timdawgdentist:
I hate to be that guy... But couldnt you have used the search function and found the thread where this is being discussed already. Redundant threads clutter up the board and confuse people who want to know whats what.

Please Delete this thread or merge with this thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=888372

To quote John Wayne (google it if your young) " It's getting to be re Gawd-Damn-diculous! "

tim
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paul22000:
This question got asked in the [ROM] Original Shipping - Tutorial but no one answered; I guess because there's such low traffic in that thread.

Anyway, is there any incompatibility with radios etc by going to the image from ANY version of Android?

Here's the version I have:

Just want to make sure I'm not going to brick it or anything, with all the radio updates I've installed.

Especially since the image is taking *forever* to download (literally, total of 25 minutes so far).

[Edit]: Nevermind, I ran through it and no problems! I'm back to stock! 2.1, ERD79, and everything :cool:
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] plmiller0905:
I was just wondering if anyone is gonna buy an extended battery?

I just ordered me one off of Android Central. I ordered the 1750mAh battery that's originally for the original Evo. But it fits the Shift also.

My buddy has it in his Evo Shift and he gets well over 14 hours on one charge. He took his phone off the charger at 8 this morning and when we got off work an hour ago his battery was at 59%...and yes he's been making calls, sending lots of texts and going on the web as well as streaming music on pandora.

This was sent shifting on my EVO Shift 4G using Tapatalk
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] herbthehammer:
I am not calling you a liar. I am saying that 250 more milliamps will not make a huge difference. Maybe might get another hour to hour and a half I would speculate. I have no proof to back my thought either. This is just my opinion.
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] Compusmurf:
Check out the testing done on Battery Boss.

http://batteryboss.org/

That Seidio battery doesn't rate all that well.

TP2 Seidio, 1750mAh rated: 1383mAh

EVO 4G stock OEM, 1500mAh rated: 1443mAh
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] hawaiian:
Might want to check and see if that battery for the EVO works on the Shift. I tried a battery out of a friends EVO and it doesn't work. Hero battery does though.
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] Compusmurf:
um, works just fine. Same part number and everything.

HOWEVER, your battery wont fit his evo unless you snip the plastic block as they put some odd notching on the new battery.

I've been using my evo batteries since day 1.
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] plmiller0905:
I understand what you're saying. But all I know is that his battery was at 59% when we got off work. Maybe it lasted longer because the Shift is a smaller phone than theEvo and therefore it doesn't use as much power like the Evo. Thus resulting in the fact that the battery doesn't drain as fast.

Idk....but i definitely ordered one. Once I get it, I'll report my finding.
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] herbthehammer:
The original evo friggin inhaled batteries because of the screen.
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] edgemaster191:
You have to install the evo battery upside down in the shift correct? My concern is the pin layout. May have to give it another look.
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] Compusmurf:
No, whatever gave you that idea? Same pins, same layout, same everything. Not sure why you'd call it "upside down". Guess it depends on which side of the "label" you'd call the upside.

RHOD100. Same part numbers. Guess if you care where the "words" are when you install the battery, so be it, but otherwise the battery is just fine.
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] karnoff:
for everyone coming from the Hero, and those that still have it. It's battery can be used as an extra. I just tried mine, just flip the battery upside down and works just fine.
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] Compusmurf:
Folks, to clarify my earlier statement, the pinouts are exactly the same, do NOT worry about which side of the label is the "top" or "bottom". The writing on the battery label means nothing.

If the labeling really really matters to you, get a sticker and write on it "This side OUT on the EVO SHIFT"

Word of warning tho, the Shift battery may NOT work in the evo or TP2 or Hero or any other phone that uses RHOD160 class batteries because they are changing the plastic notches at the end.
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] the5ifty:
I just has a legendary idea...once I get my evo or evo shift, I will use my hero as a extra battery charger...better than sitting in a desk drawer forever right?
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] cachorropedorro:
So wait. We can use the TP2 battery in our Evo Shift 4g?

If that's the case I want the

P2 OEM, new	2150mAh	2150mAh png/csv	100%	$18.36	$39.47 TP2/AT&T	Jackpot! Boldface appropriate!
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] Compusmurf:
That battery is THICKER than oem, therefore you wouldn't be able to get the back of your phone back on.....

But you you can use it.

I have a seidio 3500 monster but no replacement back cover.
[EVO Shift 4G Accessories] steven1022:
Guess its time for the first custom mod to the battery cover =) I have a huge battery I used for my evo also, I like the idea of staying small and charging with my hero more though.

Sent from space!