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[Windows Phone 7 General] sadoway:
good point.

still, out of all phones i have ever used. people have been alot harder on wp7 and piracy. I understand that its because Microsoft needs better security for the apps on its marketplace, but its no reason to completely ban everything, microsoft will fix the security (or maybe not, there was practacly none on wm, this is still an improvement)

xaps need to get on the phone, people are always going to pirate, and people are always going to buy. but simply because a developer is making it easier for non developers to have a little fun with there phones. I would never pay the 99 annual fee to Microsoft because i don't actually want to distribute any apps. this does not automatically mean that im going to be using pirated apps, part of being an early adopter i want the phone to grow and developers on the market to make great apps, and ill support them, im literally obsessed with playing with my phone.but poor Microsoft, they already made there sale when i bought my phone. i own it, they do not, so i will do whatever i want with it unlocked, and being a non coder or hacker, i depend on the developers that release these tools. so saying its going to help piracy is ridiculous and mildly offensive to me (I said mildly, ill turn off my computer and not think about it again most likely). its like saying "Kitchen knifes are going to make it easier to kill people". while yes, its very true and it happens, people casually killing people with kitchen knives have deeper issues than simply picking it up and doing something wrong with it.

so my point is its like that with EVERY digital medium. there is no real way to stop piracy with only complaining or pointing out the obvious. im not asking people to be ignorant about piracy, im asking people to be more considerate of the people who use these tools for less illegal activity's with the property the rightfully own
[Windows Phone 7 General] krjcook:
Here's a pic
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
What you need to remember is that you're one user in millions...

Now, my biggest issue with this is that in order for this platform to succeed, the marketplace needs to succeed, greatly. Allowing developers to sidestep the real marketplace to utilize a 'sideload' one is going to hinder the platform. The average user doesn't give a crap about most of the stuff we talk about, but they're going to miss out on the apps they wouldn't have otherwise. We need everything released on this platform to go through the marketplace to reach the real users of this OS, which obviously isn't targeted at the .004% on XDA... Sorry, but that's a reality. XDA is filled some of the most selfish people on the planet, really, and you'll see it if you go through most of the topics. It's always about what that one user wants, never what's best for the situation as a whole, whether it be a custom ROM, an android launcher, or an OS.

Sorry, but this isn't the iPhone, and I can't see WinPhone doing nearly as well competing with a second, underground market. And that's what most of you don't understand. Sure, this is going to give the OS another couple thousand sales from the users on this forum, but it might cost them millions in the real world... But you thousand users, with all your brilliant minds, need to develop for the platform as it is, instead of trying to compete with it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] sadoway:
The average user doesn't give a crap about most of the stuff we talk about, is true, they also wont bother with the sideloaded stuff probably. but they might, honestly. being able to do things you cant do on the marketplace is not going to hinder, and honestly. most people dont pirate apps, some do yes.

anyways. the only way is to wait and see what happens. we both have strong opposed ideas on whats constructive-destructive. :P

you can only hope your wrong, because its going to happen regardless, that you cant argue. I just choose to feel more optimistic about it cuz i dont want to buy another new phone if wp7 turns into a blackberry/palm/nokia
[Windows Phone 7 General] Moaske:
Does anyone know if this Device Manager will allow loading up custom ring- and message-tones onto your device? (without using a homebrew app or that?).

In other words; does it grant acces to the respective directories on the phone to put some files in there?
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
actually I want a homebrew marketplace because microsoft policy. Let's be realistic most app platforms have it and for good reason. The hacks we do are illegal and won't be accepted by any healthy app marketplace. So why go through the crap with microsoft?
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
I've said it before on this forum and I dont want to sound like a broken record, but the iPhone jailbreaking system would work great on WP7.

Cydia - the iPhone homebrew marketplace - is a truly fantastic repository of apps, code, tweaks and fixes that would never be officially supported by Apple or allowed in the App Store. It also doesn't host or encouraged cracked apps, and as far as I know it's not a major problem on that platform.

I think it's possible to want healthy developer revenues and strict guidelines from the marketplace and at the same time a large homebrew community. Best of both worlds - Microsoft gets to keep standards high and people get to go as deep as they want with the unofficial stuff.

It'll take time, though. And I don't really think it matters if MS supports it - Apple is vehemently against jailbreaking and it's still going strong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
the only thing we need to figure out is app deploying on mobile phone minus a computer and I think a homebrew store would be good

but then what to name it hactivate? nah

munder? (nah) meh well I wish I could do it actually - make the homebrew app store
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Again, you're speaking as a member of this community. 95% of the users out there don't even know this community exists. If apps make it to the 'homebrew marketplace' they most likely won't make it to the real marketplace. I'm sure it'll much easier to launch a free app on a homebrew market than going through the submission process at Microsoft. This is going to damage the phone's marketplace and hurt this phone.

WP7 isn't the iPhone. Cydia is successful because Apple, not just the iPhone, has a much stronger, loyal user base. The iPhone could get one app a month and still be considered the greatest thing on the planet. Unfortunately, however much better it is, WP7 isn't to that level, and iPhone has been there since launch.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
You contradict yourself in a major way in this mini editorial. On one hand, you say XDA users are selfish and the general public doesn't need/want what we want but on the other hand, you're saying devs won't go through the MK because of us.

You're really not using your common sense if you think for one second that because a group users from ONE site sideloads (and not a large group at that), devs will not put their software in the Marketplace. The scenario cannot be both ways and it's borderline idiotic to think so.

Btw, you're really showing you're not too knowledgeable about the iPhone pirate scene. There is a HUGE underground market for iOS apps but yet, a lot of people don't even "jailbreak" their devices in the first place. It has not hurt or even dented their App Store. Why would you think WP7 would be any different?

Lastly, these brilliant minds aren't competing, they're improving. I guarantee the killer app that you will want will come from here and WON'T be allowed in the Marketplace, much like multitasking was allowed in Cydia WAY before iOS made it official.

It's people like you who are the problem, trying to stifle the innovation of devs on this site because you're worried about a company succeeding that you won't see a dime of money from.

BTW, WinMo 6.5 is still alive, thanks to XDA.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
summed up my thoughts perfectly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
And it's borderline idiotic to compare Microsoft to Apple in this situation. Apple will succeed in anything it does, whether right or wrong, because it's the cool thing to own, and will be for a great time into the future.

And users like me? Users like me see the realistic picture, what does it matter if I don't see a dime from the company? If you only support something because of the direct profit you will see, then you just continue to prove my point.

We need these XDA devs, however small in number they may be compared to the general developer scene, to develop for the real marketplace. To give feedback to Microsoft, to improve THEIR appstore, and THEIR platform... not to sidestep it. Again, I see many devs who will release free software not going through the hassle of the appstore if they can just submit any app to the homebrew community just as well and not go through a submission process.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
Meanwhile, you compared MS to Apple by saying Apple is succeeding because they don't have an underground pirate community which is 100% wrong.

Yes, users like you who raise the "pirate warning" flag and/or the "Marketplace will fail" flag with every sideload breakthrough.

Your picture is nowhere near realistic. Your picture involves developers completely abandoning the Marketplace and releasing their software for free because the few are sideloading some homebrew applications. This is patently false. Why? Because developers like making money and they know as you pointed out previously, that the general public does not know/care about sideloading. You're mixing up two puzzle pieces that don't fit together kid.

The fact that xda devs and others have taken the power into their own hands to provide functionality and wares that MS should have been doing in the first place should be enough feedback to improve THEIR appstore and THEIR platform.

You're starting to seem like the kind of person who would be on engadget screaming about how kinect hacks are going to kill the 360.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
When did I say that Cydia, or any other underground market didn't exist? Are that self righteous that you need to put words in my mouth, or are you that illiterate? My point is simply that Apple is stronger in this circumstance and with or without an underground market they can still strengthen their mainstream market.

And while you're sitting here telling me what type of person I am and exaggerating every single comment I make to justify your own argument, I'll put an end to this. Don't tell me who I am and what I do for having an opinion different from yours. Because if you want to go that route, YOU'RE the type of user which deteriorates the community. Thank you for your input though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] karelj:
It's ok for you to say what sort of users we are, but you get your panties in a bunch when someone comments on you?
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
How about you all shut up and keep the thread on the topic of Windows Phone Device Center?
[Windows Phone 7 General] wspaw:
Real?

Are you sure this is real? Why is this entire forum not creaming over this? Just seems unlikely. Will be pretty sweet if it happens, though - and will instantly silence 90% of the whiners...
[Windows Phone 7 General] jaethos:
It looks pretty cool. I should be getting my WP7 device in the next few weeks, if the first update isn't out by then or if it really doesn't add custom ringtones then I will be unlocking my phone expressly for that purpose. This looks like it would make the whole process easier than the current method.
[Windows Phone 7 General] iwantnokia:
talk about piracy....??? don't ask for how to piracy the application....??? all talk non-sens...

If XDA forum really support original appl.. then should deleted for those topics related to ROM port from device to another device... like wm6.5 to old device

for me... this application is very important because able to install the appl relate to API.... without API WP7 become suck.... i rather change to android phone...
[Windows Phone 7 General] iwantnokia:
WP7 will be a first and last device in 2010 onward must take photo to do a barcode, QR and microsoft tag scanner.... great microsoft.... always no.1
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
It's legit...I dunno if it works for other devices not named htc...but schaps has a good reputation here
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I want to try it on my ladys phone before we take it back. Any known release date?
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
It's suppose to be by the end of this week, but we all know how the original TouchXperience turned out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] iceblade997:
i'd be cautious. it's from Julian Schapman, creator of AdvancedConfig and some other nice utilities.

problem is he promised a new UI, TouchExperience in 2008, and wasn't able to deliver until Oct with a public beta. this could take a while...
[Windows Phone 7 General] sahirhussain:
why do you say that? i already have it on my htc hd7!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
That's the new verison, not the vaporware he created for the original Touch Diamond.
[Windows Phone 7 General] citrix80:
you dont call it pirated applications. they are 3rd party applications.

they should be like the ones for windows mobile applications, cracked, or free, whatever. the most important ones are gps software like igo, tomtom. I dont know if there are maps for WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I had my touch xperience beta much earlier than that

and all of the apps he released as beta last march (heck had those apps for like a year and some months before they were released)

He does release; not regularly but he does release
[Windows Phone 7 General] iwantnokia:
hopeless.... tell her stop this appl because microsoft going to disable ChevronWP7...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Rouz.:
Microsoft can make it harder to unlock wp7, but they can't stop it.

Apple has been trying to stop the iOS' jailbreak for 3 years now, but we can still see a newer method for jailbreaking it, almost as soon as it arrives.

Now once the windows phone device center is developed, its easy to update the "unlocking method" to work on newer wp7 builds. It's only a matter of time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Monty Burns:
It took me (no joke!) about 5 seconds to find these - if you know how ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
I wasn't going to post in here anymore, but I had to, just to prove a point. Today, LG's voice to text app was pirated for other phones running WP7. Now, you have to pay for an LG phone to get this, but now it is free for everybody... I guess just one of the double standards on this forum...

Like I said, I don't see this going well...
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
If LG has a problem, they can ask it to be removed. Would you consider it wrong for the Skype app to be hacked to work on any carrier rather than just Verizon? It's the same idea... it's not piracy. The app is free. Again, if the developer of the app doesn't like it, request that it be taken down and it will gladly be taken down.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Monty Burns:
YES! ITS WRONG!

Its copyright material and just because its "free" to some people, because they have direct/indirect rights does NOT mean its free to anyone else. Just because the developer does not protest, does not mean its fair game!

Some of you people need to realise that just because its here, does not mean its legal.

XDA has become the centre of MS attention before and I can certainly understand why they wouldn't want to become it again (they used to host ROM's).
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
I wasn't going to reply to you anymore but I had to. I'm the one who posted the LG OEM apps here (WP Central then picked it up) and if it was a violation of XDA policies (read: warez) I would have taken it down in a heartbeat. Now I could have posted some other exclusive apps that LG has in it's store (CocktailFlow, Weave, etc) but I didn't because THAT would have been piracy.

What sharing OEM apps does is expand our knowledge of native dlls so that we can create better homebrew apps and eventually open up the platform enough to possibly build custom roms. There's no double standard in this, these apps are FREE.

Lastly, like I said, this ultimately won't have ANY effect on anything. People who pirate are going to pirate, people who aren't won't and devs are still going to put their wares on the marketplace because people will buy them.

With all that said, you flashed a custom rom on your WM phone, technically you pirated MS software. Have SWYPE in that Energy rom or in your android system? You're a pirate.

Since you're not helping anyone and you won't use this software or flash custom roms, why are you here in the first place?
[Windows Phone 7 General] karelj:
Agreed! If you don't want to use this tool and you don't agree with these practices, then why are you in this thread? Your beliefs are your own, stop forcing them down the throats of others.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Actually, I don't have Swype, but that's all good. Also, Cocktail flow isn't an LG exclusive... So since that's already two pieces of information you were wrong on, pretty sure I don't need to reassure myself that your stance is wrong in the way you're handling an opinion, this is a community, if my opinion differs from yours and you don't like it, don't ask why I'm here... Ignore me so you don't have to read it... I offered my opinion, it's obviously hit a soft spot in your conscience that you need to justify it.

I bet you if I started a thread supporting my opinion you would be one of the first in there offering your own. I apologize that people can't discuss contradicting opinions in a thread you post in.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
Are you the president of xda???

So, its not stealing as long as its for the good of the community? Rationalize much?

But how long was the iphone out with how many sold before cydia was born?

WinMo is alive??? Really? Because the numbers I've seen show it dead in the water. Most of the twitter apps didn't even get a needed update the end of last year because the devs had moved on.

Morality apparently doesn't apply here.

Wait, swype on my energy ROM on my tmous hd2 is wrong??? How so?

And I'm on the android swype beta team, so I can run swype on android as well.

LG, HTC, Samsung are using their OEM specific apps as selling points. If any phone can have them, then they lose that edge. I think they do care about this. And putting a custom ROM on your phone that is already running 6.5 is pirating how?
[Windows Phone 7 General] CreepinJesus:
There's a difference between "being alive" and "being a competitor". WinMo is not the latter anymore, but is still going strong amongst XDA members.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
but when you consider what percentage xda members make of the total smartphone population...

The only activity I see on the winmo forums these days is for android on winmo devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
I guess it's kinda relevant to the WP7 device manager, because it allows you to sideload, but I don't think I really agree with the opening up of OEM specific apps to other devices. It's one of the few ways brands can differentiate on this platform - it's one of the main reasons I purchased an HTC device - and I think it would be unfair to the manufacturers to take that away.

That said, I might feel differently if I really needed an app I couldn't get. But that's part of why I got an HTC.

I'd be interested to see other people's thoughts on this too
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Be careful, only karelj's thoughts are allowed in this forum. Your interest might run dry because of that. </sarcasm>
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
Yes, swype in the energy rom and custom roms are both technically piracy. Swype signed an exclusivity licensing deal with Samsung for WinMo, therefore since you didn't pay for it, nor are you using a stock Sammy rom, it's piracy.

Custom roms are created by taking MS's licensed property, modifying and spreading for free, also technically piracy. This is why xda is prohibited from hosting custom rom files.

You can't talk about not spreading OEM apps then justify using the OEM exclusive swype.

Sent from my GW910 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
Cocktail Flow is exclusively free for LG users. Cool that you don't use swype but your still a pirate for using a custom rom.

I asked why you were here because you didn't seem to be sharing an opinion, you seemed to be playing a chicken little role and doing little else. I have no conscience soft spots, I just wanted to correct you and point out your own personal contradictions and double standards. as much fun as it is, It's the last I'll speak on you in this topic. If mods would like to clean this up, be my guest.

Sent from my GW910 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
I don't have Swype installed on my HD2, to correct your own "correction," and I paid for my Cocktail flow, and am against any LG user who doesn't, so I'm glad you don't post those XAPs, but that isn't the issue. Just because Swype has been wrongly spread, doesn't mean that these other XAP files should be, the justification isn't valid. You're also one user in many. Let's not only talk about the XDA community, this sideloading situation will spread to sites such as PPC Warez and will definitely aid the distribution.

I'm all for the growth of a community and ease of development, but the fact is that we're now looking at an OS that is greatly dependent on its Market, something WinMo wasn't. This is a different animal, and should be treated as such, we can't have the same habits and wants as we did in the past. We need to treat this as it is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] karelj:
I have nothing against other opinions. But when, like you, they are rammed down people's throats and held over their heads - that's different.

You can keep on being a snarky and petty. It only reflects on the type of person you are. Have fun.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Really????

How real is this? It's been quite a while since the predicted release date and still nothing. I have again visited the link there is no update. I kind of question whether there is anything here. Hope I am wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pittphan:
Julian, the creator, has said he will not release this tool until after the upcoming Microsoft update is released. He does not want his unlock method patched.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Smart

Thanks for this update. Snart move I would think.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Beretta93:
OMG the video of the launcher made me wet my paints. Release in feb-march? I'll never be able to wait until that...
[Windows Phone 7 General] iridium21:
Hmm, I wonder if Julian's going to ask people to pay to become a beta tester of this like he did with TouchXperiance for WM?
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
he never asked people to pay in the first place to beta

he suggested an incentive for donating but that's it. As was stated its not been released. For wp7 everything he has released has been released without being a donator. Why not just take that as a hint...seriously
[Windows Phone 7 General] iridium21:
As far as I remember, only donators were invited to beta test TouchXperiance, weren't they?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Audio:
Amidst all the arguing in this thread, thought i'd just point out he's put a blog update on his site today. The Features list is looking increasingly orgasmic...

http://www.touchxperience.com/

*EDIT* An Interesting Statement from Julien at the bottom of his update:

"Because I was bored getting hundreds of emails from people asking me to send them WP Device Manager so they can continue to use pirated applications, and because there will be a short term solution for homebrews, I decided not to include my jailbreak tool. I respect other developers and I don’t want to be responsible for piracy, I’ve been contacted by Brandon Watson from Microsoft and I wish to be involved in the official homebrew support on Windows Phone."