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[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
I don't understand anything about hardware, tech specs or whatever. I am, in essence, a noob. But what's demonstrated in this video is the exact thing that drove me to WP7.

Coming from an HTC Legend and Desire, the most frustrating thing for me about the experience was how everything was a little bit jerky, how most of the functions lagged behind my finger input. Pinch to zoom and intuitive scrolling weren't that handy because they couldn't keep pace with me, weren't smooth and slowed everything down. Same thing on my friend's Nexus One and Nexus S. If things aren't smooth and quick on those devices, I'm not sure where Android's perfect implementation is.

That's not something that happens (to my knowledge) on any WP7 device. Before I get flamed, I'm not having a go at Android, it's just something I really love about WP7 - that the user interface reacts instantaneously. On a touch device, that's the most important thing for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
This is the same thing that frustrated me about Windows Mobile and keeps me from going Android. I'm impressed by iPhone and WP7 speed and responsiveness. That is a great feature for any device to have.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Zedox:
I saw this video this morning and was like..."really"?
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
the gallery on my gingerbread ROM on my HD2 runs more fluidly than both the phones in that video. I wouldn't buy a motorola phone if it only cost 3 magic beans. That's the thing with Android, there are so many different combinations of hardware, software, and skin versions that you run the risk of getting a device not fully optimized to utilize its hardware, but you also get choice and freedom for more options.

The iPhone 4 has a lower clock speed than any WP7 device and it runs much more smoothly and is more responsive in every aspect than any WP7 phone, by your logic then, you should own iPhone 4s, especially since you can get a CDMA in less than a month.

I'd take a tegra2 android device over a WP7 device any day of the week (as long as it wasn't a motorola), although I'm happy with having a WP7 and an Android phone so I can either roll with big ass tiles or more options when I need them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Oh wow a finger race. If that's how you are supposed to go thru your gallery wp7 is definitely a winner.

Sent from my Nero powered Vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] Zedox:
Off topic:

Where do you get these magic beans from?!?!?!! I've been searching for milleniums!
[Windows Phone 7 General] blanket:
WM's problems IMO, were because the OS was too advanced for the hardware, and up until the snapdragon, was generally slow

now, we have hardware that is too advanced for the software

makes me wonder how fast does technology really update itself

but yeah, having dual core is pointless now. it's like having a ferrari engine but having no suitable chasis to put it in. to realise benefits of multi-cored processors, the software must be multithreaded (terminology?) or optimized enough to make use of the extra cpu available. or else, it will just be there leeching off the battery
[Windows Phone 7 General] raven_raven:
@up You seem to understand what's going on, but it's sad how many muppets after seeing this video run around and scream: "OMG WP7 is SO BETTER THAN ANDROID" :(.

I think I'll make a video response to OP's video showing my Android gallery running as smooth as it can be.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I have an HD7 and an HD2 running DesireHD Android. My DesireHD2 is as smooth as my HD7. Android can be as smooth as WP7, my devices are proof.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Most apps are programmed multi-threaded, it is not the point, the OS should be programmed to take an advantage of multiple cores (process scheduler, etc.).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Stupidity amuses me. What exactly is faster? Two completely different apps coded for different things?

The fact that articles are going up for this is more amazing. Ignorance is bliss.

Try loading the exact same app and doing a test.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I call bs

You are not the only one running dhd on hd2 and I can say

if you think the android on hd2 experience is nearly as smooth as the hd7, you are so far off base its not even funny.

Not even on a fresh boot of nand/sd will dhd be on equal level on the hd2 because of the ram limitation. And that is fact

And yes I can provide 10 million vids to compare/contrast both but there is no way in hades htc sense designed for a 768 mb ram is going to run equally well on a 576 mb ram. That's just crap

as for the topic, the key is optimization. Android is not optimized for dual core. so while android may have dual core processors, what's the point there is no optimization. At all. and there won't be for a bit of time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
You have your pinion, I have proof.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
really? I think it's time I made another video
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Please provide the source for your rant on optimization.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
android is not gpu accelerated. Who needs a source? it is not gpu optimized like ios or win phone

god even a google (a simple one) yields that

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=android+gpu+accelerated+OS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
I love how the Android fanboys crawled out of their holes like cockroaches to defend this. You'd almost think it was a personal insult...lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
okay... that was funny.

:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] raven_raven:
C'mon man, this comparision is simply NOT fair. Everyone can make crappy gallery which will lag on powerfull CPU on EVERY OS, and that's what Motorola did with their Atrix gallery. My G1 was smoother, BUT IT DOES NOT proof that WP7 is better/smoother whatever. I prooves nothing! That kind of comparisions is pointless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Pulled out my old Motorola Razr and its 10 times faster than both OSs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
I think the only thing it really proves is that you can't judge an Android device by its specs, because it's open nature also means that a large part of the "experience" is dependent on what the carrier does with the OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
It's not pointless though, as it compares apples to apples - OOB experience is what matters to most people, and this shows that Android doesn't necessarily give you a good, intuitive, fast experience.

So okay, a quick comparison between the gallery isn't indicative of the OS on a whole, but the thing to remember here is that WP7 on a whole is as fast as the gallery - that is not something that could be said about Android (at least not any of the Android devices I've used).
[Windows Phone 7 General] raven_raven:
If you compare Android running on same (or at least as same as possible) specs like WP7 is running it's giving you really fluid experience. I don't know what device you used, but everything depends. It's obvious, that Android on 528 MHz and 192 mb of RAM like on G1 won't run as good as on 1 GHz and plenty of RAM devices like all WP7 phones.

I had three Android phones. Samsung Galaxy i5700 and G1 were good, but they were lagging, even more if I loaded bunch of apps running in background (you can do that on WP7 ;)?). That's not the case with my newest device, HD2. It's whole different experience. I was about to change my OS to something different than Android, that's why I bought HD2. But then I loaded Android on it and... it was something totally different. System is smooth, everything is quick, no lags at all. It all depends of course, if you leave 3D game running in background, run a live wallpaper and load tons of widgets on homescreen it will start to drop fps, but if you use it like it was meant to you will experience same smoothness as on WP7. Ah, and you can turn off those transition animations on Android, whereas on WP7 you have to watch them all the time, and btw it's great way to cover up loading times.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I asked about SMP support on Android, not GPU acceleration.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nazeeh:
What this, and other people's experiences, show is the simple fact that Android's UI is not hardware accelerated. Simple. The device HAS a GPU, but it's sitting there twiddling its thumbs while the CPU is doing all the work.

I know the Android team downplayed the need for GPU acceleration. It's not the magic pill that will make the world smoother, agreed. But it's not an insignificant component either. The proof will probably be how much they will talk it up when they do add it at some point. Except that this feature is not exactly "easy" to just add if you don't put it from the start. It's very core to how the entire UI layer works. It's doable, but not easy.

I am glad WP7 add it from the start. It can only get better.

and yes...this is one of the reasons why I never got an Android. I just couldn't handle the lagginess that is blindly clear when you've been using an iPhone. I shouldn't have to tinker with my device to fix that. I've done that many many times when I was younger. Not in the mood anymore :/
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
One has a skin. The other doesn't.

/end
[Windows Phone 7 General] Anthonok:
Damn that atrix and it's early non optimized software sure sucks compared to a fully released optimized phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
It actually doesn't. I own an Evo and have been running Android on my HD2. Both are devices more or less identical to the current crop of WP7 devices available, and none of them have ever been as snappy as WP7 on my Omnia7.

Now, you can tweak Android to become more responsive but out of the box - it just isn't as "good" as iOS or Android. Everyone knows this, everyone (bar some diehard fanbois) agrees with this. It's not some sort of mass psychosis. It's a fact.

A few months back, I believe it was Android 2.2 we suddenly noticed a huge difference in performance to earlier builds, now, come on - they are still optimizing the OS _this_ late in the game? If nothing else that could almost be considered beta software. Fixing bugs, sure, adding features, hell yes - but optimizing the core system this far in.... geez.

Oh, and no - I'm not hating on Android. It's a capable OS. In fact it's great for some people. Personally though, I've outgrown the need to re-flash with new ROMs every other week or personalize the background image to feature rain drops falling in whatever direction I'm holding the device. I want something that works, fast and reliably. iOS does this, but I never liked the "choice" of hardware and this is where WP7 comes in; it gives you choice while maintaining the "it just works" mantra of apple.

IMNSHO, Android is better compared to WM than iOS or WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
That's how I feel as well. I liked the speed, usability and software package of Apple, but I didn't like the hardware or the (to me) useless homescreens full of pages of apps. WP7 keeps this simplicity and adds useful, critical information at a glance, and scrolling through a webpage doesn't make me want to throw my phone across the room.

But that's why this Android v WP7 argument keeps coming up, again and again and again and again. Android users, by and large, want masses of functionality, customisation and features. WP7 users, by and large, want a phone that we don't have to **** around with that works fast and well no matter what.

No, I'm also not hating on Android. But I think even the most diehard Android user would have to admit it's not optimised out of the box.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
Android needs fixing in some areas. Their browser is still the fastest for a phone OS (why don't they call it chrome?!) and I would consider it the best browser, but it is as smooth as rocks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
That is true. The android browser does load webpages faster than both iOS and WP7.

Me and my brother were racing each other to look up a restaurant's webpage to get the phone number while I was using an HTC Desire and he was using an iPhone 4. My browser loaded the page about 5 seconds quicker, but he was able to get to the phone number faster. Why? It was in the middle of the page, and the scrolling on the Desire was so jerky I went past it twice before finding it, whereas he got there in one swipe.

That kind of stuff is important to me and can't be measured in benchmarks etc. I'd say it's important to a lot of other WP7 consumers as well
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i'd like to see the speed tests when they update IE in WP. If anyone has been following the test drive site for IE9, the final looks set to be ahead of all current competition in terms of the sunspider benchmark. if this corrolates over to windows phone 7, when they do the update in aug/sept (that is if they even wait that long, which if we take Marty's attitude they will), IE on the phone could possibly be faster than all it's competitors. not to say that it's in concrete though because Google moves really quickly in a lot of it's spaces.

source: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Benchmarks/SunSpider/Default.html
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Rumor has it we may not have to wait that long for an IE update on WP7.

Dean Hachamovitch (IE project manager) answered a question at CES about bringing their new and improved browser to WP7 by saying "I think the shortest answer that you can infer from is..we will be talking about our mobile browser soon and I’ll just Smile, you can infer from that.".
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
yea, we will find out next month hopefully. i did read that as well, hence why two sided comment (so that MartyLK doesn't have post as well).
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
the video sounded more like hardware envy than software fail to me.

"Ohhh, look at this way too sucky dual core phone, crappy os, and laggy picture app. Mannnnn this dualllllll (slobber) core phone would soooo rock if I could only get it in WP7 variety...mmmmm (slobber blobber)"

But alas, you can't get this with wp7. That's gotta burn.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Going by the video and the fact there is no Android software optimized for it...who would want it? What's the chance of some software being written to take advantage of it anytime soon? Probably zero, cause it won't run on the rest of the Android phones...fragmentation.

It's funny seeing Android going through the same technical shortfalls Windows Mobile did. Fragmentation, sluggishness (users endlessly waiting for OS optimizations and faster CPU's :p :rolleyes: ) and low-quality apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nick1217:
I could not replicate any of this lag on my single core, vibrant runninng 2.2. Pictures scroll smooth and fast, zoom is smooth and scrolling is butter.

FAIL
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
An Android fail for inconsistent user-experience?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nick1217:
Not the case. There are many factors that make the atrix not a competitor at this point. Once it is realesed officially and more user videos uploaded, then we could judge
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
Your signature says you're using a custom ROM and kernel. That's not really the point. I spent hours and hours trying to achieve lag-free and responsive user interface on my Android devices and never could, so whilst I'm happy your device doesn't lag, if you could find a way to make device manufacturers replicate this for factory stock models, that'd be great.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
aww how cute. You must be REALLY upset by this proof huh? Lol I understand your frustration with your laggy piece of s.... err, equipment ;-) but how cool that you Android fanboys get a dual core! I'm sure Microsoft would NEVER be able to do that with their phones huh? Lmao but hey, if it helps you feel better man, suuuuuuuure, your dual core is so awesome!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
This sounds like the old Windows Mobile replies against iPhoners. Always waiting for that "next" release that's going to fix all the flaws...yeah right :rolleyes:

Being a dual-core phone, at minimum, you should get slightly better performance than single-core devices. Further optimizations may improve things, but why would the entire OS be optimized for dual-core when none of the Android market has dual-core? This is going to be another one of those times when Apple shows the industry "how it's done". Hope the iPhone 5 isn't dual-core so the rest of the industry can save face ;)

I hope that MS was smart enough to make provisions in WP7 for multi-core CPU's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] SteveSilvas:
As someone who has had multiple Android and Win OS devices I'm just going to break things down for you all a little.

First off, I've had a G1, an AT&T Tilt, a Samsung Blackjack II, An Iphone 3g, 3gs, and 4. As well as a Samsung Vibrant and now an HD7.

Most of what people don't understand for the fluidity of the Win 7 OS on phones is that you don't really have multitaking capabilities. This means that the processes that the phones are able to handle and how they handle them are completely different.

As with Android's running 2.1 Eclair, 2.2 Froyo and 2.3 Gingerbread - Androis OS allows a single processor to run multiple instances on it's platform, meaning that the way the programs operate, unless you close them, they are still using system resources on your phone, which may seem a little buggy or draining to batterylife.

This isn't the case of the Win7 OS because it has a 1ghz Processor that is single and dedicated to individual processes that do not multi-run.

I'm not saying that one phone is better than the other but this might give insight as to why Win7 OS seems more fluid and runs more smoothly than android. Especially for someone who doesn't know the technical backgrounds of the Android and Win7 OS...

Personally, I loved my Vibrant, and with my lagfixes and Roms I got quadrant scores up into the 1500's which was great. But right now, this HD7 is super smoothe and suits all my needs. And the Games are nicely developed and the phone is really minimalistic in style. Which I love.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
DId Google learn nothing from MS and WM ?

So what specifically is Android doing (multitasking) that is making it sluggish and laggy ? Multitasking shouldn't slow down a device until CPU cycles are at a premium. Otherwise, multitasking is not a factor.

Also, certain apps in WP7 DO have multitasking. Does it become sluggish When they are running ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
the ways may differ, but the overall process of market consumerism is still the same.

in any case, what was this topic about again? :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
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[Windows Phone 7 General] SteveSilvas:
Android itself isn't doing anything wrong but it's more user-error. Most of the issues are with the development of programs - and their availability as well as their accesss to the different platforms. Most of the Programs available on market aren't for one specified OS and aren't optimized for such.

And you are incorrect, the Applications themselves have multitasking however, they are not able to run multiple processes which utilize system resources like android devices do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
hey, cut the android app some slack, he was prolly copy/pasting an non-drm 4Mb doc file in the background... ohhhh multi-tasking... lowww blowww
[Windows Phone 7 General] rcrawford611:
well seeing that i've had a g1, a MDA for a couple months, then the HD2 and HD7.....the HD& is super smooth compared to the HD2 running WM and Android.

I do love Android for it multitasking and copy/paste it never felt as smooth as WP7 even when i only had 2 light apps running

Now true WP7 doesn't handle MT like android or even the current iOS but I'm not missing it too much. Plus the Atrix hasn't been optimized yet let somebody here get a hold of it and like them spend sometime with it then compare it to a WP7 device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Please tell me you guys are not still arguing the video? Its stupid as hell. You need the exact same apps to do any kind of comparison. Which clearly is absent in the video.

What's even dumber, there's a 3d gallery app running in the background, along with a launcher and Widgets. What's running in the background of WP7 besides phone services? Nothing.

Stupid video. Its like you guys are mad at the **** measuring results. So you look for anything to say "oh WP7 is better""android sucks", to make yourself feel better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
No, it's not about that for me. I think you're missing the point.

The point is that these are two phones that, as far as we know, are stock. They haven't been optimized and that's the way they're manufactured. It's a comparative video of a fairly simple task - photo browsing - and it's obviously a lot more responsive on WP7.

I don't care what's running in the background, I don't care what specs that phone has, I don't care if your android device is 20 times smoother than that. If anybody can show me a non-marketing video of a non-rooted non-custom ROM non-custom kernel out of the box Android device matching Windows Phone 7 for responsiveness and speed, I'll gladly change my opinion.

But I've never used an Android device that didn't lag, and I've never used a Windows Phone 7 device that did.
[Windows Phone 7 General] athornz:
Exactly. I've just been borrowing a WP7 (trophy) for a week and man I don't care if there aren't as many apps etc etc, the smoothness makes me want to swap my Nexus for one.

Funny thing is, if you compare the time of a lot of the other functions in the phone, they aren't that different.

e.g. I said to my friend "the orientation changing on the WP7 is so much smoother", but when we timed it, it took about the same time. What made if feel smoother was the animation

The nexus kind of just snapped to the new orientation, but the WP7 had this nice smooth rotation animation. And it has that kind of thing all throughout the OS.

Android still has lag pauses, but I think if android had similar animations, you wouldn't notice the lag as much.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rockstarar:
haa thats the phone i'm using right now! a v3t haha my other two smartphones are temporarily nonfunctional lmaoo
[Windows Phone 7 General] pjcforpres:
Tell me one thing stock about a demo unit at CES being shown off months before its rumored release date?

This is a phone running a chipset that isn't officially supported by Android, and as such require Motorola to write their own code to support it.

WP7 is super smooth, like butter, and IMHO smoother than any Android phone I have tried/owned for the core apps. But it still has moments of lag and jitters. And to compare a demo phone at CES of a phone that is 3 months, or so, away from release running beta software and beta firmware, that is pointless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
Fair point, I wasn't aware of that. Rapidly scrolling through the picture galleries - stock HTC, gallery3d, or third party - produces the same effect on both my android devices, though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
To be honest, the HTC Thunderbolt preformed smoother than the Motorola Atrix at CES. And the HTC Desire HD during the HTC event.

Maybe it is the skin, maybe it is Motorola's drivers or maybe Android isn't ready for dual core (with the exception of tablets of course).

The smoothest running thing at CES was probably the BlackBerry Playbook, but I am sure that it was fully optimized before launch.
[Windows Phone 7 General] raven_raven:
This thread is stupid as hell. I don't know what WP7 want to prove. This video is dumber than sh** and users who believe this kind of "comparision" are... I don't want to insult anybody ^^.

Now I'm flashing WP7 to my HD2 and we'll see how it flies :). Too bad that I sold my G1, we could do another, fair, comparision. But maybe not. Just stop this battle, it's pointless and dumb as hell.