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[Windows Phone 7 General] SteveSilvas:
I have to agree with Raven.

The point is that the video wasn't a fair comparison because of the Hardware Specs, not only that but from Win7 OS and Android OS you literally are comparing apples and oranges.
[Windows Phone 7 General] SteveSilvas:
I'm not leaning one way or another, I was simply explaining WHY the fluidity of WinMo7 is the way it is. I personally like both OS's
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
You Android guys are making those same excuses people were making for WM against newer phones.

This sort of thing is easily debunked with YouTube. Certainly there are some YouTube videos of a smooth scrolling OOTB Android device :confused:

And here is a video of WP7 running on an HD2...
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Eh, android wasnt meant to be smooth... wheres the GPU accelerated UI?
[Windows Phone 7 General] friend'scatdied:
I dunno man, I have an iPhone4 (albeit jailbroken, no extra packages on the device save for ultrasn0w, and no extra apps [preparing the device for sale]) and WP7 on even the HD2 feels around the same in smoothness and responsiveness of the GUI. The iPhone4 felt really impressive next to the 3GS, but not so much compared to WP7 devices. It does load apps considerably faster, that's for sure (one of the bigger wrinkles of WP7 IMHO).

I also have a hard time believing this, considering an HD2 runs WP7 considerably faster than it runs the DesireHD Android builds (admittedly I'm only talking about MDJ's and gauner####'s latests). If you were talking about a naked Sense-free build or CM build you'd be more easily believed, but if you're serious about that quote I'd get your HD7 looked at..

BTW anecdote is no substitute for actual proof.

For example here's an anecdote that strongly contradicts yours (even stronger since the user is using a DesireHD natively), yet in your defense it isn't proof either.

My anecdote above is also open to debate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
you do realize the phone which preformed slower has MUCH better hardware specs?
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
but the point is that the hardware has to have proper drivers coded well to perform better. Motorola sucks at coding anything, all their phones have issues.

Android is open-source, so even from one to the next you can't just throw a blanket statement.

I'm willing to bet the Nexus S runs "more smoothly" than this motogarbage. Wait till we get an actual google coded aosp dual-core phone and then let's compare. at least it will have proper drivers that can utilize the hardware.

Android could be universally as smooth as WP7, but then we'd lose everything we love about Android. You cannot have an open environment and complete smoothness.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
this is embarressing, but ill help you anyway...

install xp on a five year old dell craptop, and a quad core mac with 16gb of ram. without modifying drivers, which one is going to play a avi full screen ... or a game... or anything gpx intensive ?

hopefully I've helped.
[Windows Phone 7 General] friend'scatdied:
I'd like to agree with you since like you I'm not very fond of Motorola (had a Milestone with a stupid locked bootloader and horrible battery life no matter what I tried), but could you furnish any further reading suggesting Motorola's incompetence from a software standpoint (MOTOBLUR and the like notwithstanding)?

FWIR about CES impressions, the ATRIX was really the showstopper in the mobile domain..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Krissrock:
what he said...this is a just plain fact. Sorry fAndroids
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
I'll admit I was a little overboard with my vehemence for Moto, the phone does look cool, but the drivers are obviously not optimized.

not sure if you remember the whole 2.2 fiasco:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/203891/motorolas_android_22_rollout_what_a_mess.html

It's not even so much a Moto thing as it is a brand new processor integrated into a system not used to it. Also the GPU doesn't seem accelerated. The chip is not being used nearly to it's potential. The code is only going to get better and better and you will see dual-core android outperform WP7 QSD chips and will be on-par with WP7 dual-core.

compare a Nexus S with a WP7 device and let's see how it does.

Let's not take anything away from WP7 here, I love it running on my HD2, it's just such a bad comparison on this thread when driver optimization is not taken into account.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Its not even the same application. The rendering times are completely different.

Yeah WP7 is smooth, but that's it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Krissrock:
so where are these videos that everyone was gonna put of their phones doing it so much faster?
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
xp is a 10 year old operating system... while 2.2 is 7 months or so so your analogy doesnt work.

I also didnt know you worked at motorola... I'm sure they programed the drivers to work on there device even if they aren't 100% complete yet. Also when you are trying to talk technical you might want to talk about the correct subject. It isn't about drivers, its about OS optimization... The same was true when 64 bit systems started to come out but still this does say something.

I think alot of people are missing the true point of this video. The point is to show people speed isn't all about specs. Its about creating software to work perfectly with the hardware. WP7 does that, android only has 2 devices that can say that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
the example was too difficult. i'll use cars next time....

sooo, wp7 works perfectly with all the devices it's installed on, and android accomplished this with two ? man, (no sarcasm) that's a compliment, in a 'droid bashing thread. awesome.

since wp7 only has a handfull of devices, those perfect devices are dead give aways. could you put your finger on the two perfect android devices ? (some sarcasm, but looking for a perfect device while we're at it.)
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
me thinks thats a trick question...because they don't exist!
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
nexus 1, nexus s. those are the only 2 devices google officially supports... also i never said they were perfect devices, just the only 2 devices google bothers to optimize the os for. you might want to learn to read before you insult someone.

if you are going to try to be a fanboy, at least be smart about it.

and if it was "too difficult" why was it so easy for me to shoot down? it probably was too difficult for you :rolleyes: . Here is something else you probably didnt know, 1 + 1 = 2. i know its mind blowing, but its true

another thing you might want to do before insulting someone is to read their post history and see where they stand. I have said that i'm thinking about switching from my hd7 to an atrix however it doesnt have lte so i dont see much of a point.

in case any of this is too confusing just remember, a comes before b
[Windows Phone 7 General] Saleenfiend:
This comparison is completely retarded and in no way a viable source for comparison. I've played with the new WP7 phones for days and while they are great its not any leap or bound better my EVO on any user experience. They each have the pros and cons I an far from a fanboy and could careless either way. Too many variables make this negligible.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I don't think even iphone4 users would say that IOS is smoother than wp7. I know, I've converted a couple of them.

did you have to come back here??? :mad:

on your stock android phone??? Please do.

exactly what MS is getting away from with wp7. Carriers and oems can't touch the core OS.

Once again, for the regular user, they are not going to go through all that trouble.

Wow, can you post the link for the official vibrant froyo update???

that's funny, because I listen to zune all the time while I'm surfing the net or reading my rss reader. How is this possible on my hd7 if there is no multitasking?

If someone can show you that, can they give you the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow as well?

So you can't make an open source smooth device? And you admit this. So basically, android is winmo with better hardware...

What I don't understand, is that the galaxy s phones have sold, what 10 million units according to samsung, yet the US versions still don't have froyo and the devices lag out of the box...

You would think there would be some motivation on samsung's part to fix it. Instead, they announce this:

http://www.tmonews.com/2011/01/samsung-vibrant-plus-will-offer-21-mbps-4g-speeds/
[Windows Phone 7 General] friend'scatdied:
Thanks for confirming my impressions. Glad to know I'm not insane for seeing that a HD2 with WP7 can more-than-keep-up with an iPhone4 on iOS4.
[Windows Phone 7 General] raven_raven:
Me being an Android Guy -> :D.

My daily driver is Windows Mobile 6.5, yesterday I was running WP7, but yeah, I'm Android fanboy :rolleyes:.

So I tried WP7. It's definately most smooth and beautiful OS I ever tried. If HD2 port was bug-free I would use it daily, it was fantastic experience.

However I'm still pretty sure that Android (superRAM on my HD2) was as smooth as WP7. It may not have such fancy animations, but it's like WP7 - no waiting at all, everything is happening just as I touch the display. It couldn't be faster than that, either WP7 or Android.

I do not have stock Android device comparable to anything that runs WP7. I had a G1, but comparing 3-years old phone to newest devices wouldn't be so fair, don't you think (but what's funny, when I did some tweaking (I loaded 2.2.1 ROM) gallery was 10x better than that crap from Motorola we saw on a video in OP)?

I get your point. WP7 devices are smooth out-of-a-box when most Androids are not. Yeah, it's true. But as a senior (but not that senior at all) member of xda I have to like tweaking and yeah... I do. I like to fix mistakes that producer of the phone did or to go beyond manufacter says is possible (anyone remember when Google said, that G1 can't run Android 2.0 :D?). And PROPERLY build Android with good drivers CAN BE as good as WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i think what we can draw from this is that the lucky members of XDA can get the best performance out of both windows phone and android. end of story.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
That's what I thought, then I walked into Telstra...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vbetts:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but WP7 is hardware accelerated is it not? Android's gui isn't, and I'm pretty sure Motorolas apps aren't either. But not having the hardware acceleration is a problem with Android, and Samsung is about the only one going in the right step adding some hardware acceleration to Touchwiz 4.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I hate to say it, but Mango Beta with it's multitasking + dehydration hack + Resuming Hack for apps is multitasking. Sure, it involves a few hacks, but guess what? WP7 mango Beta is faster than the current official release & it's BETA.

Also, all you people stating lack of good drivers are proving the WP7 people right. A dual core chipset should never be slower than a single core device. With or without GPU accelerations. Those who said CPU's don't help with displaying graphic are wrong. A lot of work is still done by the CPU. A dual core CPU will get better FPS than a Single Core CPU with the same exact graphic card never mind the dual ore chipset also has a better GPU as well. This is evident on the PC. It being a cell phone doesn't change a thing. Also, that Tegra2 device has 2 times the RAM. Even if it's a 3rd party photo album. The sheer power of the device "should" make up for the faulty coding, but it doesn't.

I was a big WM developer, responsible for must of the work on the Titanium Interface. I created the tutorial for editing the CPR's & found the Custom Plugin GUID. I didn't like WP7 when i first saw it. I thought it was ugly & too simple, I love eye candy, but the more I saw it the more I liked it. Than I got my HD7 & feel in love. No more flashing ROM's every week & having to set everything up all over again. No need to install tons of CAB's. & even though the UI lacks eye candy, all the 3D animations make up for it. Yes, btw, the UI is 3D, meaning it uses polygons. That's a heavy UI to run. Just look how much TouchFlo3D aka Sense slowed down WM.

Sure I still do hack a bit of it, but no where near as much as WM. From what I've seen of Android, it's WM all over again. People hacking the crap out of it just to get it to work correctly. I am a developer & guess what? This is not what the average user want or can even understand how to do, I always have friends coming to me for help. And, yes, before you ask, I have used android & never liked it since day one. I've have multiple friends who have Android devices & always hated how it was just as bad as WM. Now that I have a WP7, I kind of see what people saw in iPhone even with it's ugly UI. I hardly ever even touch my HD7 unlike my WM device that I wasted 1000's of hours on just hacking it & a few of my friends who actually hack their Android devices do.

PS: This will be my only post regarding this, as you can't change someone's mind. They'll always believe what they want no matter what the facts point out & what is true. Ignorance must be bliss.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
That's the best post I've come to read in weeks. Couldn't have been said any better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
It also makes sense given that press release blurb a month or two ago addressing how MS is working very closely with Qualcomm on how to optimize WP7 for Snapdragon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Ok, I'll go back on not posting anything else as it bring up more information. The key is, I'm not your average user. I am a XDA Developer. Maybe not as skilled as some as I'm not a programmer, but I've worked in Helpdesk, System/Network Administration, Desktop Support. I built computers & know the terminology & what hardware spec means. I'm the one all my friends come to with their technological problems.

Exactly, MS wanted to avoid the HTC graphics driver debacle in WM with WP7. Also, this helps with product longevity as by the time your device becomes too old, you will be out of your contract & ready to upgrade. Sure there maybe somethings that make you "want" to upgrade sooner, but you won't "NEED" to. Perfect example is all current WP7 devices getting Mango even though new hardware is coming out meanwhile there's an incentive to upgrade for device with front facing cameras (not sure if they will have this as it's all pretty much rumor atm from pictures/etc.) if that's a big deal for you.

Also, this is nothing against Google of Android. I will give them credit for what they made having no experience in making an OS, especially compared to MS. No software is bug free, nevermind an OS, but WP7 is pretty damn close. Once again though, MS has a lot of experience. Windows 7 & WP7 are by far their best OS'es ever. Not sure about this Windows 8 yet though. Metro is nice for a cell phone & tablet, not so sure for laptops & desktops. I have at minimum, 3 windows open all the time on 2 25" 1080p Monitors. I'll have to wait & see how it works when it comes out. I see myself staying on the legacy desktop view personally.
[Windows Phone 7 General] djfotizo:
Wp7 IS incredibly smooth

Being a wm6.5 fan I naturally moved to Android. I did so with complete understanding of what the iphone had to offer and what microsoft was hoping to accomplish. All that needs to be said is CONGRATULATIONS MICROSOFT! YOU DID IT!

I was tooling around at ATT hoping to get some news about the Galaxy S2 and decided to tinker around with wp7. I was amazed at the UI responsiveness. Currently I am running a Captivate with Firefly 3 rom, scripts managing minfrees, tweaked launchers, etc. It is rarely laggy when compared to other android devices, but wp7 felt so smooth I had to google it and ended up reading this thread from about page 3. I haven't even seen the video, but who needs to? WP7 IS smoother, and that was exactly the experience MS was aiming for. Kudos.

Fotizo
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rodak:
Whats wrong with my guide?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=908791
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crowds:
nothings wrong with it. if you read it goes further. root/xrecovery/rom`s and since so many people has sent me pm`s to explain them...

don`t get offensive :p
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rodak:
From my guide:

"Feel free to help me improve this guide, just post here and I will update this post with all good tips!"

But hey, let´s have a lot of guides spread all around this forum just to get some credit :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wanmeow:
Hmm. Sorry. Got a question here.

Step 1 and 1a, is it the same? Or i need to do step 1 and then do step 1a?

And partition on my sdcard is already on Fat32, do I need to reformat it again to Fat32?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crowds:
Hi,

1st. Like i said "alternatively". 1 is one way and 1a is another way. The diference between the two is the fisrt one you have to root after install and the second one came pre-rooted.

2nd. Since you`ve sdcard on FAT32 don`t have to do it again. Just be sure there`s ONLY ONE partition.

Hope it helps ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wanmeow:
Oh. sorry. I miss the "alternatively".

Which one is the best? 1 or 1a?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crowds:
depends on what you want. root or not rooted.

for the installation of above Rom `s you need to have root access.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wanmeow:
Oh, ok. Thank you. I go download the files and try it first. :D
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crowds:
you`re wellcome

tell me how it goes ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Buddha:
nice guide.

tnx :D
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crowds:
wellcome

no need to thk me just click thks ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wanmeow:
Im stuck at SE white logo. If im not pressing back button, it will boot normally. Im thinking like giving up. >.<
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crowds:
Wicth process you follow?

From stock ir zhizu rom?

If you start from stock witch process you usr to install xrecovery?

As you know i've two possibilities on eatch one if you dont tell all things youve donne i cant help you:(

sent from my ****up X10 running amazing zhizu rom
[Streak 5 General] tonime:
Hello to all, someone can change as the density to 180 or 200 and that does not make you FC with the calls, thank´s.
[Streak 5 General] DMax99:
"LCD density " from market
[Streak 5 General] Jules Winnfield:
Hi, I've changed to 180 but from time to time I have FC, especially during the long calls (more than 30 minutes)

edit: my streak runs the official dell froyo
[Streak 5 General] Krisbo:
I run mine at 240 and it seems fine. I did have some FC with stock dialer at 180 though but I switched to Incoming Call Plus and it seemed to fix the problem.
[Streak 5 General] tonime:
Then that you recommend 180 or 240
[Streak 5 General] Jules Winnfield:
Sounds good if incoming call plus solves this issue, because due to these fc I was afraid to use a 200 or 240 density...and to be honest for my old eyes 160 is too small.
[Streak 5 General] Krisbo:
I run mine at 240 and have had no drop outs since using Incoming Call Plus.

I'm only 26, I have pefect vision and I found 160 too small. The best thing about running at 240 is widgets are now the correct size. No more tiny Pure Grid Calendar in the middle of my screen :D
[Streak 5 General] krazman325:
I just installed Incoming Calls Plus and so far like it. My density is 180, but it makes the title of the ICP buttons cut off. What is it like at 240?
[Streak 5 General] tonime:
I put 180 and 240 I like it
[Streak 5 General] Krisbo:
Better as it was written for around that density.
[Streak 5 General] fthahim:
cannot rotate screen

thanks everyone for the lcd density info . I changed mine to 240 and everything looks much bigger . just one problem is after reeboting the orientation will not change from portrait to landscape .

I am running 02 froyo build 319 . if someone has any tips to help me fix this . thank you in advance .
[Streak 5 General] tonime:
I have position 240 and it me works well with the next calls with plus, nevertheless it does me fc with that I do, they know some solution?
[Streak 5 General] tonime:
Hello to all, after doing several tests to know because towards FC with the calls with 240, I have put the configuration of networks in GSM and it me works very well, at the moment I go the whole morning speaking and it works perfectly.
[Streak 5 General] Jules Winnfield:
@tonime does it mean that you have to modify network configuration each time you use 3g network?

Regarding fc, it looks like the only possibility to avoid it during phone conversation is to use the classical 160 density.
[Streak 5 General] fogozito:
i use 140, 180 and others make things looks bigger and i feel like wasting the big screen
[Streak 5 General] DaveKsailing:
After much experimenting I have decided 240 is my preference. I find the "feature" of Dells Stage not rotating to landscape at 240 LCD density really useful, because Stage is really poor in landscape at high densities due to the bad positioning and scaling of the dock bar (for some reason its thicker in landscape).
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] caicek:
for ROOT

please backup with Xrecovery before trying this. Sometimes when I tried to change transitions for other downloaded on the internet I had bootloop.

I’ve managed to change transitions in X8 to Stock Android (sliding left and right).

I’ve prepared framework-res.apk file that you have to switch with the original one.

You can try to prepare your custom transitions by changing the files in .apk in res/anim folder. You have to change files that begin with semc_activity. You can find animation .xml file on the Internet. To swapping files you can use WinRAR.

In framework APK there are files called activity_open_*.xml and semc_activity_open*. I’ve just deleted the semc* files, copy and renamed the other files so that they begin with semc_*.

Installation using propc method:

Extract the zip file into root of your sd card. (make sure the files are in root).

in adb shell, use this command:

_________

su

cd /sdcard

sh reframe.sh

_________

I think you can also swap the framework-res.apk file using root explorer, but I didn’t tried it.

I advice to use these custom transitions together with LauncherPro because it has custom fancy applaunch animation. With ADW launcher there’s probably no transition when launching app (I don’t know why). You can use SpareParts application to change the speed of transitions.

Remember – backup first with xrecovery. :)
[HD2 Android NAND Development] ameyanaik:
[11 JAN] -=MDJ's CyanogenMod 7 v. 2.2 + ClockWorkMod Recovery BACKUP

There are several problems getting MDJ's CyanogenMod 7 v2.2 with ClockworkMod on our HD2....

even i was the one struggling around a day to get it work... :(

Somehow i got managed to boot without any problem

So, for all those my frineds having boot-problem with MDJ's CynM 7 v2.2 on ClockWorkMod.. I am uploading "BACKUP"...... :D

1) MAGLDR 1.1 - Just flash your HD2 NAND with 150MB System Layout of CWM

Copy content of "copy_to_sd_root" to the root of your memory card

2) Extract the Backup file below to root of your card, thats what mine backup

It should look like - "SD_Card_Root\clockworkmod\backup\2011-01-12.11.01.12"

3) Insert memory card into HD2 and Reboot MAGLDR

Boot ClockworkMod Rec, goto Backup & Recover menu,

Select Recover Option

Select "2011-01-12.11.01.12"

Press CALL button to recover the backup

4) Once successful, you should be aable to boot MDJ's CyanogenMod 7 v2.2 without any trouble :eek:

Credit goes to All Our Developers :p
[HD2 Android NAND Development] razaknk:
Not much help

Problem still persists, not able to boot into the recovery mode even following your steps. when we choose option 1. Boot AD SD, it comes back to the same menu without doing anything. Need the complete step by step info.