yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anticimex:
I like the ROM I picked (hense why I picked it) and I've successfully booted up my Incredible and I'm smiling from ear to ear. Thanks for all of you help guys, you have no idea how much I appreciate it.

Now the question is. Should I unroot my droid and re-root it, but this time creating a nandroid back up? Or should I just leave it be and keep that file stored safely.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lazysleepyboi:
you have it working, just leave it as it is. No need to go through everything again. Like jaysckap said, keep the file somewhere so in the case that you want to unroot in the future, you have it handy. Good to hear everything worked out! be sure to check your battery life and how long it lasts. You might want to unroot just because of that, but just be sure to keep battery life and snappiness in mind when you're using a ROM that someone else messed with
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysckap:
I wouldnt bother what rom did u pick

HTC Incredible 2.3.1
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lazysleepyboi:
he's using heyitslou's rom, Redemptive rEVOlution 2.1.3. For me, i like the new sense so i'm using uber sense =]
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysckap:
Im on drews gb overclocked to 1.15 and get 8 hours of heavy use off a charge

HTC Incredible 2.3.1
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anticimex:
One last question. Before I started messing with things. I put both drive's when you plug in your phone on my desktop (as a backup), most of which had all my apps backed up via MyBackUp Root.

My question is if I restore all those files on my phone, would it cause any damage? Because I had a lot of apps that I don't feel like re-installing and a lot of important messages.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ak110707:
I read the entire thread and decided to throw in my three cents. If your planning on leaving it rooted, just do so. Loading the stock rom (via PB31IMG.zip) is something you can always do to return to stock. Since you can still access Clockwork why not just install another ROM?

Backing up stock isn't all that important since installing PB31IMG.zip will remove clockwork mod (im like 90% sure this will). Without clockwork you can't backup unless you reinstall it. I would use the PB31IMG.zip as a last resort if returning the device to Verizon (unethical... but inexpensive :) ).
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lazysleepyboi:
good question, i wouldn't have an idea actually. When you did a backup, was it one file, or was it a lot of files?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysckap:
I would just put apps pics music messages no system files just to be safe

HTC Incredible 2.3.1
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ak110707:
If you revert back to stock you will loose root and since MyBackUp Root is an app that requires root access you wont be able to use it.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lazysleepyboi:
yes, putting in the PB31IMG file takes off your root, so in other words it takes off clockwork recovery altogether. Kind of the point when you want to go unrooted, or want to return your phone to verizon
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anticimex:
It was a bunch of apps and data for said apps, and a lot of important messages.

How would I go about doing that? If I backed it up via MyBackUp Root. I was looking through the folders, and I have no idea where it saved to.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lazysleepyboi:
what i meant was "did it backup your files as one zip?" or did it give you a bunch of little files.

If it was one big zip, then you really have to know what you're doing in order to take out just messages.

If it was smaller zips where you can actually see all your apps, then yes, go for it. You should be able to take off certain apps.

And one more thing, my two cents here. Just do a nandroid, and then only install what you want, if it doesn't work that way and your phone crashes then fine. Just recover your phone and upload the entire thing.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lioryte:
Download THIS

Run it follow instructions you should be good to go. Lemmie know if ur running into any issues
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anticimex:
That's the thing, I have no clue how MyBackUp Root saved and backed up everything. I looked through almost every file and I have no clue where and what I'd be. Any idea? If there is no way, I guess I'll just start re-downloading the Apps I had.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lazysleepyboi:
it's usually better not to mess with everything. Mind as well create a nandroid and from there just restore your backup. Uninstall the unwanted apps and you should be good to go.

Just curious, what's the size of the backup?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysckap:
Theres no folder for my backup? And the apps are .APK's

HTC Incredible 2.3.1
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysckap:
Im gonna dl my back up give me a few minutes and ill find out where everything goes

HTC Incredible 2.3.1
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anticimex:
Alright, thanks man. I appreciate it.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysckap:
its gonna be a few minutes i have 806 pics. but it gave me the option to backup online did you by any chance do that?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anticimex:
Nope, I don't have the pro version. I backed up to my SD card (I think that was the other option)
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysckap:
They go to a folder named "rerware" find that put it on your sd card. re install my backup from the market and restore. thers nothing that you backed up that will hurt your phone
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysckap:
when you install my backup check if it created a new folder on your sd card if it did delete it and replace it with the one you have on your comp.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anticimex:
The file was on my Phone rather than my SD card, should I put the file in my SD card anyway?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysckap:
Yes

HTC Incredible 2.3.1
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lazysleepyboi:
from what i understand the files have to go back to the phone itself, that means you probably have to put your backed up file onto your sd card and restore everything. And form there just go deleting the applications. It's way to much to have to delete certain things on your backed up file because you can potentially ruin something. plus it isn't as easy as drag and drop when it comes to updating your files on your phone. You have to have root explorer, and even from there it's harder to recover certain files. My sugggestion is to just install everything your backup file had, and uninstall as you see fit.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anticimex:
Alright, thanks for all the help guys; you have no idea how much I appreciate it. If it weren't for all of you, I'd be at Verizon with some lame excuse as to why my phone suddenly stopped working.

Thank you!
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysckap:
My backup creates zips in parts 1,2,3 ect.when you extract a "part" it doesnt show apks jepegs ect it shows code.i would switch to titanium for backing up your apps

HTC Incredible 2.3.1
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lazysleepyboi:
agreed, titanium would've been better for backing up your data
[EVO 4G General] ranmasaotome510:
So bearing the news about the upcoming news of the verizon iPhone 4, alot of concerns were targeting its ability to do both voice and data at the same. Now we all know this is somewhat "impossible" on the CDMA network.... But, it looks like Verizon is in fact working on a way to make this happen.

"A lot of this will change in the future, as CDMA works on a solution to the simultaneous voice and data problem"

http://lifehacker.com/5731557/know-...d-verizon-before-committing-to-the-new-iphone

And a press release on how it'll be possible

http://pocketnow.com/news-archive/c...simultaneous-voice-and-data-usage-coming-soon

My only concern now is, is this only going to work on phones with upgraded hardware? or can this still be done, with say... a software/firmware upgrade?

I know many and myself would welcome such an update :)

Anyone have any thoughts to shed on this subject?
[EVO 4G General] Bielinsk:
CDMA cannot handle voice and data at the same time, it is geared for voice OR data.

GSM is geared for both, but poorly, hense the dropped calls etc that ATT has problems with.

You can use voice on CDMA and data on something else, 4g, wifi, LTE, at the same time.
[EVO 4G General] ranmasaotome510:
but apprently its Possible... read the article.
[EVO 4G General] afazel:
Latest revision of CDMA supports simultaneous voice and data, however most (all?) of the US CDMA carriers have not rolled it out.
[EVO 4G General] drmacinyasha:
This is correct. Verizon is basically thinking about rolling it out, but since they're going with rolling out their LTE network, there's no real need to.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
This could be the "industry first" that they will announce on the 7th. Sprint/Verizon were rumored to upgrade to EVDO Rev B in Q4 '10 or Q1 '11 too. Man, it would be amazing if they launched the improved voice 1X and the upgraded EVDO on that date. Our EVO's come with the a Rev B radio too.. And like I said in the other thread, a lot of us are experience very weird fluctuations in EVDO speeds, could it be Sprint doing testing on the network? I can only hope.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I wouldn't be so sure. They won't be able to roll out a LTE coverage everywhere. 1X/EVDO will be a fall back for many, many years. This is even more logical for Sprint since their WiMax rollout is incredibly slow and I doubt will ever be efficient enough to be a full EVDO replacement.
[EVO 4G General] david279:
I didn't think the Evo had a rev. B radio..
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
You might be right. I'm basing it on a article I read during the summer which I remember mentioning that it's radio did have support.

Edit: From the QSD8650 spec:

Embedded 600MHz DSP (GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS/WCDMA, HSDPA, HSUPA, MBMS, CDMA2000 1xRTT, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev. 1, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev. B, baseband), Embedded Seventh-generation gpsOne GPS module, gpsOneXTRA Assistance

Does that mean it has support? I don't know but it looks like it.

Edit 2: It may however lack the transmitter for it.
[EVO 4G General] miguelfp1:
hadn't it been mentioned that the Evo chipset is in fact Rev. B compatible, requiring only a firmware update?

did anyone else see that or am I imagining things?
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Actually Verizon plans to have their entire 3G network covered with LTE by 2012. And they have more than enough money to do it.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
Sprint is planning to upgrade to CDMA 1X Advanced/SVDO technology, in part of their network modernization. Verizon will switch to this as well. They are not replacing CDMA with LTE. The EVO isn't Rev. B compatible, and it doesn't matter, since 1X Advanced will replaced their current CDMA standpoint.
[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
Do you have a source?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I'm pretty sure that the EVO lacks the transmitter, so you're right on that. But why doesn't it matter? SVDO would still use EVDO for data, and Rev. B would be the next logical step for that. Unless Sprint decides to drop WiMax in favor for LTE, I don't see why not.
[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
it seems Rev B is a firmware upgrade for the phone, just like Rev A was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution-Data_Optimized#Standard_revisions
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
CDMA Rev B and 1X Advanced are two different technologies. Sprint in talks with different vendors on which network would replaced their CDMA network, chose 1X Advanced. If anything, you will see 1X Advanced/Wimax/LTE on their lineup before 13' hits.
[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
Again, do you have a source?

IF they are going to replace each card to do svdo, might as well also implement Rev B. After all you are gonna have EVDO for 10+ years.
[EVO 4G General] josh030181:
What exactly do you mean by voice and data at the same time
[EVO 4G General] DoctorComrade:
Exactly what it means. Talk on the phone while browsing on the web. At this point you can't do that with CDMA phones.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
It's part of my job. I can't create attachments and post them online, if I'm to remain with my job. What I will do for you is post up information that's available online.

http://www4.sprint.com/servlet/whit...ble=whp_item_file&blob=item_file&keyname=item

EVDO Rev. B is not in their plans right now, but strange things may happen.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
You're in the know so of course I'll take your word; but I was just pointing out that it's technically possible to have 1X Advance/SVDO with EVDO Rev. B handling the data. At least from what I read it is. I just hope that they upgrade to it in the future. Sprint would be more attractive if they offered a fast 3G solution to compete with HSPA/+.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
To be honest, I was hoping Sprint picked HSPA+ but 1X Advanced/SVDO is pretty great as well. They were looking at everything, LTE-Advanced, VoLTE, HSPA+, EVDO Rev. B, 1X Advanced. It's technically possible and I agree with you and the other member, both options are better for Sprint and its customers, but you can see in their future network vision results, Rev. B is not in the mix. Don't know if you remembered the rumor with Sprint/Verizon upgrading to it, but both strongly denied and mentioned their stand on their 4G technology.

EdiT; I'm trying to post up this link for you guys to read, but it's not working. It's a pdf so maybe that's the reason. PM me for it, and copy and paste it to your browser, I guess. It's a good read for you guys.
[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
Link is broke
[EVO 4G General] DoctorComrade:
Add an apostrophe on the end.

I reupped the link: Here
[EVO 4G General] josh030181:
Is the evo cdma, so thats why I can get in the internet on 4g n not 3g when im on the phone, why is that
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
The WiMax/4G signal is handled by a separate radio, so you end up having two different connections on at the same time. It's pretty much the same as having WiFi on. This is also the reason why I think Sprint needs EVDO Rev B. Powering two separate radios, one of which is horrible at capturing a signal, is very power consuming. Would just love to have a fast reliable 3G connection that doesn't suck the life out of my phone. That plus + 1X Advance = Win.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
I want to correct something. Sprint doesn't have to wait for the implementation for 1X Advanced on their network in order to use SVDO. SVDO is a device feature that doesn't need extra network modifications or software upgrades, and I think that both carriers (Sprint and Verizon) will take advantage of it later on this year. *Sprint could announce that their industry first phone will be SVDO ready, but let me not get you hype. I doubt that it's ready*
[EVO 4G General] david279:
Ok I need to google SVDO to see what's it all about.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Here's what I found on the Sprint.com forums:

That came from a Sprint Admin.

I personally think that there's a decent shot that the industry first announcement will be a SVDO capable phone. Probably a HTC Android and possibly still single core since single core SVDO ready Qualcomm chips are new and just coming out.
[EVO 4G General] david279:
And there's no way this can be enabled via a firmware update?

**hypothetical**
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Not that I'm aware of. It's not supported by our Snapdragons.
[EVO 4G General] david279:
So I guess that's where the EVO™ 2 comes in.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
This in a nutshell.
[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
This seems silly. Why have they not had these devices before now? There is absolutely nothing that needs to be done on the network side? So one could hack this?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
How could they? It wasn't standardized until late 2009 and chips that support it are just coming out.
[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1695462-Svdo

http://connectedplanetonline.com/mag/telecom_evdv_dead/

Seems vendors had chips in 2005. VZW killed it.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
EV-DV and SVDO are two different things. One is a network technology and the other is a feature that will be included in Qualcomm's new MSM chips, like I said a few times. Reading through that HowardForums thread, XFF is pretty much spot on. Years went by, and it was decided that one of CDMA's weakness is not having Simultaneous Voice + Data, something Verizon and Sprint wished they had on their 3G Network. It's a work in progress, and tests are being made. I'll leave it at that.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I have a question:

Isn't a true that a "true 4g" network would be all acrossed data?

What I mean is, wouldn't a "true 4g" mean that all calls, texts, everything go over the mobile internet [voip]?

And, if true, wouldn't that kind of make it pointless to take the other standard and enable this?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
That's true for Verizon since they use LTE but even then it will probably take years for them to deploy a feature like that (or for there to be 100% coverage). Sprint on the other hand uses WiMax which unlike LTE doesn't even have a standardized VOIP solution. Add the incredibly slow pace that they are rolling out WiMax and it makes sense to focus on this. Besides, CDMA on Sprint will be around for at the least another decade.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Thanks for the clarification of that.

Although the rest is speculation.
[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
And Qualcomm does not have a monopoly on the silicon. Samsung has chips that do this in the field.

What does that even mean? Sprint OWNS and USES Wimax, so its VOIP system IS the standard for Wimax.

And the 4g is all data. No second radio.

If you have 4G phones in the field, but they only get 4g in some areas, and you are redoing your whole network with soft radios, so you will not care about future technologies (within limits), then why not give your premium 4g customers 3.5 G speeds on the whole network, when it costs you nothing to implement?

popular nobody; linked pdf was a great read. Thank you.
[EVO 4G General] bkrodgers:
I think that right now, the LTE and WiMax implementations in use are using 4G as a data only technology. There are some complications with switching to VOIP that they haven't worked out yet, plus the networks for 4G are still too thin to go that route. But eventually, yes, a full 4G network would route calls over the data connection as packets.

Right now, the reason why 4G networks allow Sprint to do simultaneous voice and data is simply because they're different technologies, with different radios, and on different frequencies. I think the same is true of VZW's LTE implementation. Despite the existence of an updated CDMA standard to allow simultaneous voice and data, I think that Sprint and VZW are more likely to focus on expanding their 4G networks, which will give them this feature, rather than to deploy an updated CDMA version.
[EVO 4G General] azfxstb:
Thats my Guess as well
[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
Your verbiage here is unclear.

I know users, competent enough to know, who state Sprints WiMax does/IS DOING both/everything. No cdma radio engaged when on 4g. So yes it is data only, but in that data is voip. I have read that repeatedly from several sources.

http://connectedplanetonline.com/wimax/news/telecom_voip_looks_wimax/
[EVO 4G General] bkrodgers:
I'm too lazy to look up sources right now, but I know that is incorrect. Sprint is not using WiMax for voice yet.
[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
I looked all over for a source and could only find stuff that said how it was going to be, not how it is.

Asked in #HTC-EVO and they said all calls are CDMA.

I have no linkable source to back that up. bkrodgers you were right, but I cannot give evidence for it.
[EVO 4G General] bkrodgers:
Yeah, I did a quick look yesterday and wasn't able to quickly find what I was looking for, but I know for certain it's still CDMA for voice. You are right that the eventual plan is to go to VOIP over 4G, but I think that may be several years off. There's not a standard for doing it yet. Additionally, Sprint's Wimax network is still very, very thin. It doesn't penetrate buildings well, and there are gaps between the towers. They'd have to figure out a way to seamlessly transfer calls from a 4G VOIP call to a 3G circuit-switched call. Those hand-offs would happen a lot with the network in its current state.
[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
Another curiosity is how are they doing IP routing? I thought with Sprints 4G, each tower routed directly on to the internet, instead of back hauling. Is that true?

If so, wont users on the go have their IP routing constantly changing? Can IP do that?
[EVO 4G General] afazel:
I believe the WiMax towers just use wireless backhaul.

Sent from my phone with the geebees
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bunkered:
How would you go about unrooting a Captivate?

Thanks
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] psai:
Use the galaxy s one click root/unroot program. Search the xda forums for the link.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bunkered:
Would using ODIN to flash back to stock and using the Master Clear remove root?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trekie86:
ODIN back to stock will remove everything and put it back to the state that the phone was in when you took it out of the box. You will, however, still have some file system stuff hanging around from before. You'd have to clear your SD card of that information. But you should be unrooted and back to normal.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bunkered:
So if I were to use ODIN, could I still use Titanium Backup to get all my apps and games back? Because I want to go back to stock without root, but still have my apps and the info for them too.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unburritable:
nope - titanium backup needs root to work

Why the concern about root?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bunkered:
I just feel like going back to stock for a while, no real reason.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trekie86:
Unless you've really made some major changes, i.e. new ROM, Kernal, radio, you are at stock. You could just flash to stock, root, re-apply through TB and you still are at the base of the phone settings.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bunkered:
So TB will still have my stuff even if I do the flash? Or do I need to save the backup to my computer?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcord11758:
Save back up to your computer if you are going to master clear. If just odin flash not necessary
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sircaper:
If you're still wondering about this, I unrooted using the root file found here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=884364

Then, I unrooted using the unroot.zip file found in the Galaxy one click root/unroot rar file. In both cases, you copy the file to your phone's root directory and then rename it to update.zip and follow the procedures in the thread linked above. Linke for the galaxy one click root/unroot is here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=739304&highlight=root/unroot