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[Droid Incredible General] techobsessive:
Yes, but that are many peoples complaints. And webOS and windows phone 7 are both optimized for their CPU and gpu so it is not just an apple thing. Its more of Google is missing something here.

And look atbthe ROMS today, MIUI is the only one that makes avhuge difference.

And really what dev does have that time? They barely make money from android. Except for the very few.
[Droid Incredible General] techobsessive:
Good to know I'm not the only one who is not being a Google fanboy.
[Droid Incredible General] ejdavis72:
Well I guess if you guys like going through iTunes to do EVERYTHING and don't mind not having a flash player and you don't mind that Apple has a choke hold on their phone, software, and APP store, and don't mind that Apple tells you what APP you can use on your phone and what you can't do with YOUR PHONE, Then by all means, jump ship and be happy over there! Go get your fancy music player. I am not an Android fanboy... I just like a phone that works for my needs and Android works great. Much better than Windows Mobile and MUCH better than iPride. Just my opinion. ;)
[Droid Incredible General] bomber889:
Android for life. I am a google fanboy until something else better comes along and then I will be that company's fanboy :)
[Droid Incredible General] techobsessive:
Alright, this isnt supposed to be apple or android hate. It was a simple question. Yes, and why. Or no, and why. Not, no apples gay apples gay. You, are on XDA. You, most likely have rooted your phones. You, have done stuff to get passed things that Google says no to.

Have you ever heard of jail breaking? Its the apple equivalent to rooting.

Honestly, Im glad android works for you. But by no means do you jump on some ones preference.
[Droid Incredible General] ejdavis72:
I didn't jump on anyone. Like I said... Just my opinion.
[Droid Incredible General] Keyboards:
HTC + Android for life.
[Droid Incredible General] k.electron:
enjoy living under the constant fear that the next update from apple will break ur jailbreak. enjoy paying for navigation and other apps.

people have done amazing stuff around here releasing the true potential of the hardware under the iphone. i dont know what ur taking about framerates the iphone cant even run 2 apps at once unless they are designed to do that, and even then they go into a dehydrated state. also what sickness do u speak of? i wouldnt call how open the platform is and how good the homebrew community is a sickness. i'll give u an example of a sickness.. one company deciding what can and cannot run.. thats a sickness. enjoy ur disease.

dont let the door hit u on the way out. you wont be missed.
[Droid Incredible General] AMPhilbrick:
I'm sure you already can
[Droid Incredible General] Archangel:
I think that some are letting their hatred of Apple products cloud their thinking. I have had an android phone since they came out, mostly because of my hatred for AT&T. I swore to myself that if Verizon ever came out with a Iphone that I would give it a try. I will keep both on my account until I make up my mind which one to keep. I know that some can not or will not do that.

I LOVE the ability to flash roms, do nandroid backups, etc,,,but no one can deny there are apps that are very popular that for whatever reason are not on the android market. As well, makers are just now coming out with front facing cameras for android devices as apple has had them for almost 9 months. The retina display is amazing and the battery on an iphone will last for three days on a normal charge where my DINC last maybe a day and thats with a EVO battery and underclocking.

As far as jailbreaking the iphone for Verizon I am sure will come with the 4.01 or higher OS that makes jailbreaking impossible. But you know what that doesnt phase me the most. What does is the failure to run the phone and apps at the same time and the slower CDMA speeds. This may make me wait until a newer ihpone comes out in June.

Just my opinion
[Droid Incredible General] BenHolliday:
I'm trying to figure out why anyone would be unhappy with this or any Android phone.

Now, this is coming from someone who is old enough to remember phone looking and feeling like a brick, cost a small fortune, and had a battery life that was non existent that would just make phone calls.

But what will these phones not do? You can make 2 calls at one, take pics with em, check your email, play on the net, run complex applications, and do all your office needs.... and that's just for starters.... All of that without big brother telling you that you can or cannot because a program is or isn't approved by their people.

We buy our phone, pay our monthly service for Voice/text/pic and our unlimited data and then we can do whatever we want to the phone for in most cases a 99 cent fee to a Dev who prolly cooked up a great app in his own house... not some corporate dude in a huge building making money for "the man"....

As was mentioned about music... why would anyone want to be forced to put music on their phone with a program that throttles a computers performance instead of tethering and simply dragging and dropping? Not even going to mention that you don't have to worry about DRM or who's computer the music came from... Nope, don't gotta worry about all music erased because it's not the original computer trying to take off or put on a new song. Just put 4 "Liquid Stranger" cd's on the phone and didn't have to start any programs to do it either... copy and paste only.
[Droid Incredible General] Troy89:
I fully agree :cool:
[Droid Incredible General] 02busa:
Wow.... "Google fanboys" haha, every kid I see has an iPhone.. Apple should've kept their rainbow logo... left wing sheep. Why you ask? Locked down overhyped brokeback paperweight products.. Oh, and reference the guy whom hates windows.. You CAN run other OS's on a PC little fella..
[Droid Incredible General] remy2501:
**** apple and **** you!

nah just kidding... but seriously, not getting an iphone..
[Droid Incredible General] ejdavis72:
This is exactly what I'm talkin' bout right here. Why would someone want to get rid of a phone that does everything really well for a phone that is locked up and controlled by a bunch of control freaks (APPLE). But like I said... Just my opinion.
[Droid Incredible General] wowens0822:
I hate apple. The only thing they got on android in my opinion is apps rite now. I have a cousin that has an iphone that i jailbroke to get it on team mobile's net. Biggest pain in my rear. They have an android flash for it that i almost put on it... i love my incredible.

HTC Droid Incredible 2.3.1
[Droid Incredible General] TNS201:
haha another iZombie

Just like Stevie wants!

Why not wait till June and get the next version. I cant believe Verizon is putting this trash on their network. They should of just continued supporting the Droid assault. But if this helps destroy ATT, that will be funny.
[Droid Incredible General] MMBosstones86:
why would you pay $200 for a brand new phone that is already dated itself with currently technology? Yeah its pretty great, but with the release of Tegra 2, NFC, LTE, and not to mention a bunch of sweet products (bionic, atrix, thunderbolt)...its pointless to upgrade now.

It won't matter much when apple releases the ifone 5 over the summer and we get to go through this all over again.

Sticking with the Dinc, love the phone and the platform.
[Droid Incredible General] k.electron:
While that may be true for some, I don't think it can be generalized. I am not a google fanboy or an apple hater. I am a fan of open development where once I buy a device I can install what I want on it. I hate facist policies imposed on me by any corporation. Apple unfortunately chooses to restrict development to their own whims and fancies. That is not acceptable to me. Even if you think something may not be the best thing for the consumer (the whole flash debacle), YOU LET THE CONSUMER DECIDE.

I would go buy apple products if

a - I could do what I wanted with them.

b - They cost the same as competitors with comparable hardware.

c - They stop deliberately leaving out features just so they can add them later and sell their new device before the previous one even comes out of contract. (iphone release cycle is half its contract??? ipad has space for a camera and ios has camera support but no camera in ipad???)

Point c shows how apple has no respect for a consumer and will put its interests before the consumer. A company that practically cheats its own consumers has no place in my house.
[Droid Incredible General] ejdavis72:
Amen to that.
[Droid Incredible General] spiritcrusher33:
Some people like to keep it simple i guess. dated yes.. but who cares. if they want it so be it. lol its all bout what works for that person.. Im bout to get a samsung intercept. ( talk bout dated lol ) only cause its way cheaper than any carrier out there for what u get.. again im giving up things but 27 bucks a month vs 70 plus a month is a no brain-er..lol

Still wouldnt get an iphone. personally. I have my own views against apple..
[Droid Incredible General] techobsessive:
Wow, you people are hilarious. I asked a question. I didnt ask for a flame war against apple.

Yeah, you (mostly) all hate apple and what they did with the iPhone. But look at it, why do you think there are more apps for the iPhone? Theres 4 phones, and what, three ipods. Im not including the iPad here...moto xoom all the way. But thats a total of 6 devices. Android? Theres about a hundred. That makes it hard to develop. iPhone is simple. For most people, emphasis on MOST, you don't even need to tinker with your phone for the owner to love it. Apple has had great success, and Google is still faltering. The dang iPhone has a single core processor, and look at the fricking games on it.

Okay, I guess what i am trying to say is, if every android phone had the tegra 2, or a hummingbird processor, with a phone version of Honeycomb, then android would rock. I wouldnt move. I love android (its a love hate relationship.).

So...I said Id probably switch to an iPhone...I lied. Im going to wait until the 9th and see what palm has up its sleeves, I still think they are the best. Well...that was off topic.
[Droid Incredible General] BaLLZaCH:
LOL

OK, listen "BRO" ...

Dont get me wrong - I agree very strongly that MANY people have done AMAZING things with the Android system on this forum, I thank them in every way.

But I have to take your ass down a notch, by "ASSUMING" that "I" am not or "can not" be part of the "HELPFUL COMMUNITY" by a comment like that.

That was RUDE and un called for. I have nothing but respect for anyone tinkering with the OS. I've been there, I undersdtand. I love "PLAYING" with this stuff but that's all it is. period. "Playing" ...

IN Addition, I 100% agree with techobsessive in the first place. It's not about the people here, or the quality of awsomeness from this forum, I swear I thank every DEV here for their time and effort, I used to tinker with windows apps and I know the pain...

The point techobsessive and MYSELF were making is that its not the community, its the base OS and hardware.

Yes, it's "cool", but not for everyone. While I can spend countless hours tinkering and tinkering, that kicks ass yes, but damn, I want a freaking PHONE. Not another laptop.

...AND you have "proven" my point exactly just now. Do you see the "headache" that I am talking about ? Me having to deal with you for being a moron ? The list goes on...

Dont flame me for being a part of a conversation ... It 'aint like that with me assweed... I Greatly appriciate everyones hard work (except for yours hahahaha) ...
[Droid Incredible General] syst3merror:
This is pretty much exactly how I feel!

I used to want one...BADLY, so I bought myself an ipod touch! I loved that thing...all the apps and such a good mp3 player with a nice UI.

Then, I got my DINC....and sold the ipod touch and have no desire to own an iphone!
[Droid Incredible General] techobsessive:
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say.
[Droid Incredible General] calhounhusker:
They have phones for you... they are called flip phones.

But as I said, iPhones are smart phones for people who don't wan't a real smartphone.
[Droid Incredible General] TNS201:
Its not that we are letting our hatred of Apple blind us. Its the facts that are facts that average consumers don't see. The tech they are putting on VZW, iPhone 4, is already outdated. Also Steve Jobs is a douche bag IMO, due to the whole antenna crap with the iPhone. Apple is so pathetic they had to make a video showing that other cell phones dropped calls or had bad signal if you held it wrong. Some even believe they used a cell jammer to make things look worse. Face it, it was a bad antenna combined with ATT's crap network. Why couldn't they just man up and do a recall? First they tried the dbag attempt of saying "all phones do it" but then they just decided to give everyone free BUMPERS!! Half-Assed, maybe 1/4-assed fix. I want a company that will back its product and fix problems. I wont support a company that beats around the bush.

Sure they have more popular gaming apps, but you have to remember

1. Android market just started up a few years back, but apples has had more time to mature and grow, call it a headstart

2. Some games are starting to work their way over to android market

3. Apples closed market policy vs Android Open market. Both have good/bad

As for the hardware, Apple is still behind though. Even with a front facing camera, you still can't change the battery or add an SD card. This is pure market BS to make Apple more money. So they have to charge you to change the battery. This also forces customers to choose between two models 16gb or 32gb, just so they can charge you more for the phone. So this way customers can't just buy the cheap model, then go out and drop $30-50 on a SD-card. I highly doubt the iPhone will last for 3 days without a charge. My friends with iPhones always had problems with their batteries dying.

Well at least you are smart enough to wait till June to buy your locked down phone. Even in June, apple will probably be behind in hardware. Don't see them doing dual core. We got dual core android phones coming out with front facing camera, nice displays, and ability to change batteries and put in our own SD card. Also though Android software is nearly the same on every phone, most phones you get a unique type of software, motoblur, sense, touchwiz, etc. Its not always the same software on the iPhone. This way it makes each phone more unique due to hardware and software differences. Every iPhone is just the same if not jailbroken.
[Droid Incredible General] nedrubwerd:
Here's my take:

- I am NOT a fan of Apple. I bought my G1 in March of 2009 and immediately got rid of my iPod touch. Haven't owned an Apple product since, save for a MacBook that died after a month. Ditched it and bought a ThinkPad, never looked back.

- I think Steve Jobs is a colossal douchebag. The "it's my way or the highway" approach he takes may be blindingly successful for his company now, but it won't last forever. I like to think for myself from time to time.

- HTC is god, their hardware is amazing. They beat every other manufacturer in build quality by far.

- I love Android, but as I said to someone a few days ago, my patience with it these days is based entirely on my ability to root a device and install the stock Android experience on it. The manufacturers are taking away smoothness and functionality by hacking the underlying OS into oblivion, rather than extending it much like the CyanogenMod devs et al. are doing. That said, I don't agree with CM's decision to not use the stock launcher, for example, but I can very easily change that.

Given these circumstances, I will probably pick up a VZW iPhone 4, keep my Incredible, and use them interchangeably: put one down and use the other when I get sick of something.

I also like to throw people off, so that will be fun as well. I'm the resident Android evangelist in most places I go.
[Droid Incredible General] ejdavis72:
So you're gonna help to make that "Douchebag" even richer? I don't care if the iPhone was the best phone on the planet for 5 years in a row! I will NEVER buy Apple anything! I can do waaaay more with my Sony Vaio than I ever could with a POS Macbook. In my opinion, a Macbook is worthless without Windows installed on it. Why do you think they came up with Bootcamp? Cause they know it too... Off topic. Sorry
[Droid Incredible General] najaboy:
I'm no Apple fanboy (apphole), but this one needs to be addressed. The app store has had all of 104 days more than the market to "mature."

App Store public release- 10 July 2008

Android Market public release- 22 Oct 2008

Age has never been the limitation.
[Droid Incredible General] TNS201:
Didn't know that.

But if you think about it, Android came into a world of the iPhone, Blackberry, and Palm. There was large competition to come into the world new. The iPhone obviously sold well because people were already in love with iPods, Holy hell a phone and MP3 player?!?! Since the Moto Droid on Verizon, Android OS has started picking up quite a following more and more and eventually could take a strong lead. Its disappointing that Verizon is picking up the iPhone, they should of just stuck with their droid assault. They just want more customers and $.
[Droid Incredible General] SoCGHOST:
I'll stick with my DInc. Android can run on versitle hardware and is constantly getting updated and fixed. Have never owned an iPhone, but I can already do more with mine than most friends can do with their sour apples!
[Droid Incredible General] nedrubwerd:
That douchebag and all the rest of Apple's shareholders, technically.
[Droid Incredible General] TNS201:
Does Apple and its shareholders support Ed Hardy?
[Droid Incredible General] ejdavis72:
Well, if the device works for you then that's what matters. I hope you get what you need out of it. Good luck.
[Droid Incredible General] texanaustinite:
Although my wife is getting it, there's no way I could.

I have my Inc running perfectly right now on Super-Z, yet I can't help but want to go back to GB-Evervolv. Dl'd MIUI also, just to try it again.

I'd be bored with the iphone too quickly. ;)
[Droid Incredible General] Berzerker7:
The amount of Android fanboyism in this topic makes me feel very disgraced to have ever been part of this community and happy that I'm going to get myself an iPhone. At least my friends who have iPhones don't call Eric Schmidt a "douchebag." Grow the **** up people.
[Droid Incredible General] techobsessive:
You all are pathetic.

Yes, I don't hate apple, neither so I love them. There smart tthough, and Google could learn a lesson from them. Yeah you say the iPhone 4 is outdated? Look at the games on it and a game on a tegra 2. Apple knows how to optimize software.

The main problem with Google is their main winning point: openness.

They can't make a unified hardware spec because that goes against the whole point of android. Here, just do this. Make a chassis one spec: Hummingbird CPU and a SVR 535 GPU. 512 ram. 5 MP camera. There. That still allows for look customization and software customization to differentiate the devices.

Chassis 2: tegra 2. Higher Res. Front facing and rear facing camera. 512 or 1GB RAM.

There. That would only benefit the consumer. Oh, what if you want to make something lower cost? One take out stuff like daul microphones and dual flash. 4G radios. Or, want a different processor? Make it so of they don't meet those spec requirements they don't get the with Google branding. Oh, and apps are chassis specific, if your phone is chassis 1 then chassis 2 apps don't show up in the market.

Think about it, the consumer benefits. You = consumer.

I know there are many cons to this system, but you would still get most of the benefits of android. The open source software.
[Droid Incredible General] k.electron:
Firstly learn how to talk. It took me a while to even understand what you were trying to say which was a colossal waste of time because it was completely useless.

Secondly I never insulted you to begin with. If u equate android to a "hemroid" then most of the hardworking developers and their fans here are not going to miss you. I simply informed you about that. Calling me a moron and an assweed shows that you have a poor understanding of conversation and a shoddy personality. If you don't like the hardware or the OS, leave by all means. Don't insult it to its appreciators.

Thirdly I don't know wtf you are on about when you say you have to deal with me. You don't. Even if you wanted to I would probably not respond seeing as how you don't even know how to talk.

Fourthly If you want a phone that cant do anything else but make calls, buy a dumbphone from the 1990s. I've tried and tested many ROMs and they work flawlessly. If you can't get a phone to behave, its not the OS, hardware or ROM thats bad - Its you.

and Lastly I have zero interest in or intention of having any conversation with you so please don't bother replying to this. This is my last message to you. You can rage all you want, and I wont care.
[Droid Incredible General] techobsessive:
I didn't do anything to bother you did I? :-P
[Droid Incredible General] k.electron:
cool as a cucumber. just a difference of opinion is all.

the other dude ddnt bother me either. he was just raging coz he cant work his phone. understandable.
[Droid Incredible General] BaLLZaCH:
:confused:

Wow. What a moron you are.

Hahah haha haha is all I really have to say.....

Why dont you stop hi-jacking this forum with your dumbass-ness ??? Once you are 18, 19, maybe 21 years old and stop using your daddy's internet, you can come back and talk to us like normal people....
[Droid Incredible General] BaLLZaCH:
I actually agree with you.

I gave you a thanks button for that !

:D
[Droid Incredible General] techobsessive:
Seriously though..lets stop with the flame war. Who ever shuts up and ignores the other person is the more responsible, mature adult. Ready...Go!