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[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
Hi,

I'm following your post from 12:34 yesterday. On step c, where button 9 is suppose to go green, it stayed red. I had to click it on the PC to get it to go green. Same thing on the Gtab end.

I did the same on the camera button, clicked on both the PC and Gtab end, then started getting video.

So, it's working.

This was on stock TNT 3452 on the Gtab. Windows 7 64 bit and IE 8 on the PC. FYI, I originally tried Chrome browser on the PC end, it crashed.

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
reelportal,

In an earlier post, you mentioned P2P connection.

How do you set that up (on both the Gtab and PC end)?

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Great to hear it finally works for you.

Buttons 9 & 10 are default to red (off). I meant to say that you have to click on them to "enable" them, which turn them green.

P2P mode is the default mode when you start up. You can see what mode you are using by clicking on button 7, which shows 3 modes. The highlighted one is the current mode. You can get more details on the modes at reelportal.blogspot.com.

Not sure if that's the answer you are looking for. Did you want to know how I did it programmatically?
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
Hi,

Thanks for the info, but I guess that the question I had re. P2P was how do you "address".

On the Android app, when you start it, you get the 3 text boxes, for name, room, and key.

Say, I want to do only P2P to someone else. Which of those 3 text text boxes do I fill in, and what do I put in them?

Say also that the other end is on a PC, they go to reelportal.com, and get a webpage with same 3 text boxes. Same question as above (which 3 boxes, what to enter?).

BTW, on the Android app, everytime I start it, it has the checkbox for accept license, and it's unchecked. Is there some way to get that to persist, once it's checked?

Similarly, on the PC, every time, I get the popup from Air to Allow/Deny.

Thanks for this and apologies about the earlier comment. It was frustrating not being able to get the "right" version of Air.

It is pretty cool, and seems pretty lightweight, other than the need for Air.

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
BTW, another question: Do we only see a window for the received video?

Is there a way to have a 2nd (smaller) window showing what we are transmitting, ala some of the other video chat apps?

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Short answer to your question: you only need to enter a nickname.

Example: on your GTab, enter just "A" as your nick name. Then on your PC, enter "B". Now, both are connected to the server, but not to each other. On the PC, make a call by clicking on one of the four "blue head" boxes on the right hand side. Your GTab should ring with a message indicating "B" is calling. If you accept, the connection between "A" and "B" is established.

Now if you choose to enter room "X" for both "A" and "B" when you sign on, they will automatically be connected to each other. No calling required. The concept is similar to a teleconference.

Long answer:

In order for one device to connect to another, they both have to go through a "known" place, ie. a server, which allow them to exchange their addresses and other data. This is how I implemented it: everyone initially go to the server, get the connection details, then the sender tells the receiver(s) which mode (e.g. P2P) the video stream will be sent, and the receiver has to follow suit and wait for data from that particular channel. So overhead data is sent via the server, the actual streams can be via server or P2P. BTW, I am planning to release the server software too, so anyone can run their own, and don't have to use mine.

I'll look into that TOS checkbox annoyance. On the PC, to remember your "Allow/Deny" setting, you need to right click on the screen, and choose "Settings...". In the "Privacy" tab, where you'd see the "Allow" and "Deny" options, there's also a "Remember" checkbox. Check that, and it won't ask you again.

Regarding seeing your own webcam, if it's not on the "main screen" then it should be shown on one of the four "blue head" boxes, provided you "enable" the webcam (button 10). The design is that you have a total of 5 windows to show video: the main screen, and the four side screens. Your webcam takes one of them, and the other four are for incoming streams. At any time, you can click on any of the four side screens, and it will switch to the main screen.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
BTW, you can see the Help videos via Button 1. They are a bit old, but I don't have time to make new ones (between doing this software, holding a day job, and family). Any volunteers? :)
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] insight3fl:
Well... I tried again with your link to the proper adobe air. Uninstalled each program. Loaded adobe. Rebooted, loaded your apk. Rebooted and still the black screen.

I guess it does not work on tnt lite 3.1.2

I will be loading 4.1.1 tomorrow. maybe that rom works.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
I upped the default quality of the video a bit, so the video should be much clearer. But is it eating up too much of your cpu cycles? Is the tablet still usable?

BTW, you can lower the quality of the incoming video stream by pressing button 6. How many times did you press button 6 before quality becomes unacceptable? For those that got it working, please report. Thanks.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] MoonPops:
Black screen

Downloaded Adobe Air 2.5.15320.apk and ReelPortal.apk

copied to USB drive.

Used ES file Explorer.

Installed Aobe Air in tablet and rebooted.

Installed ReelPortal and rebooted.

Ran ReelPortal...

Black screen!!

Stock Tablet running TNT 3389

Bill
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
Are you using the Air APK that's in the 1st post? That works on my stock 3452.

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] MoonPops:
Are you using the Air APK that's in the 1st post? That works on my stock 3452.

I believe that's were and when Igot it. But link isn't anygood now.

Bill
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
That's weird. I just downloaded it from the 1st post. It's the Runtime.apk file.

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] S2W:
I downloaded the adobe air from the market and installed it. I then rebooted and installed the reelportal apk in the 1st link and got it working. With no problems. 1st try.

Here is a screenshot from my tablet
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] S2W:
I will say that the video quality isn't the greatest.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] manfly9884:
Gave up. Nothing but a black screen. Tried to download app as well as Air with no apparent problems but application does not run. Also when i visited the portal site i could not get pass the "I agree" button, the site does not let me sign on even though i became a guest member.

Too bad for me i guess.

By the way as my sig states I'm running the latest vigan with Pershoot's Kernel.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Did you try to increase the video quality via Button 5? Currently the default quality is at 70%, each time Button 5 is clicked (from the receiver's side), the sender increases its webcam quality by 10%, up to 90%. The higher the quality, the more bandwidth and cpu usage.

But I agree the quality of the current encoder is not good. The software relies on Adobe AIR/Flash Sorenson video encoder, which is way old. But Adobe supposedly will be updating it to use VP8, aka WebM. Don't know when that will happen.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Odd...if you go to my website via the browser, there should be no "I agree..." checkbox. Just need to enter a nickname, and press OK. It would deny access if you entered "guest" as a nickname AND someone currently using it as their nickname. It'd tell you the name is taken.

Sorry it didn't work for you.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] insight3fl:
same here. gave up. tried all versions of air even from sdk. always black screen with tnt lite 3.1.2
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
looks like tnt lite 3.1.2 and 3.1.3 are not compatible? have you tried to run any other AIR software on it?

Jim: i added a "Save" button to the TOS box. any comment? thx.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] trscons:
FWIW I am running a stock gTablet with the latest updates applied. Tonight I installed the Air runtime extracted from the SDK file and Reelportal from the Website. Settings show both apk files are installed. Launching Reelportal stops at a blank black screen. If I reinstall Realportal and choose "open" the app runs properly and the audio test between the Windows laptop and the gTablet passes. But if I close the app and even if I restart the gTablet from a powered-off state, the launch of Reelportal stops at the black screen. Curious but I appreciate your efforts to develop the app. I do think it has potential and I'll watch for developments. Hope this helps a bit.

Tom
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Thanks for testing it out. It's strange that "open" works, but launching it doesn't. Did you try the Runtime.apk in the first post? It's the one I used for testing, and I'm not sure if it's the same or different from yours (SDK versions may have different libs).
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
i've set up a room "toon", broadcasting some live tv (NO sound) for testing. you can join it to see the feed and play around with the software.

note: it may take sometime to see the video when it has been idled (no subscribers) for a while. also, my tv tuner driver usually conks out after a day or two of broadcasting.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] trscons:
The only Air runtime I could download was the September 2010 version within the SDK on Adobe's site. Your app was version 1.00000 (I think there were 6 zero's at least.) I had to download both to my laptop and attach the apk files to emails that I forwarded to myself. I used the gTablet email app to open each message and AppKatcher to install. The same procedure has worked successfully before last night. Hope this helps a bit.

Tom
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
It's probably the same AIR runtime as mine (which is dated 9/29/10). I wonder why you and some others can't download the files from my first post in this thread.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] trscons:
No idea on the d/l. It's now Sat pm at 1307 EST and I will be sitting in room "x" if you want to experiment.

Tom
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
Hi,

I just got around to trying it.

- Re-downloaded reelport.apk from your 1st post on this thread

- Uninstalled the reelportal app that was installed previously.

- Installed the new reelportal.apk (it's still 10000000.0?)

Started reelportal app, and see the new Save button on the TOS.

That's good, but when I click "Save" after checking the checkbox, that (the checkbox and the Save button) still remain on display. Shouldn't they disappear (at least that'd be my suggestion) once I check the checkbox and press Save button.

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
Hi,

Try uninstalling BOTH reelportal and Air from Settings=>Applications, making sure their gone there.

Then, reboot the Gtab.

Then, install the Air APK and then the reelportal.apk.

When I first tried this, before reelportal posted the Air APK on the 1st post, I got the black screen. When I installed the Air after reelportal posted on his post, I still got the black screen, then I went through the uninstall/reboot/install with the new Air and then the reelportal APK, and then it's worked ok for me since then.

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] insight3fl:
Mine is working now with tnt 4.1
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] trscons:
Jim, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately no go. This time I saved the apk files to the tablet, rather than use ApkKatcher, and installed first Air and then Reelportal. Install and open, Reelportal works. Exit Realportal, and no more. Whether I restart the tablet or not, launching Realportal stops at a black screen. Reinstall and open, it works... dunno.

Tom
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
But, are you explicitly uninstalling both, then rebooting, then installing?

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
BTW, I don't know if this'll work for any of you, but there's a thread that I posted:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=915356

where it explains how I was able to see Air in market.

As I said, I don't know if what I described there (use Titanium Backup to clear data in Market, then clear data in GoogleServicesFramework, then go to Market) will work, as I've also done some other stuff to my Gtab (changed the android_id in settings.db, etc.).

Also, I don't know if the Air that you get from Market would behave any better than then one that reelportal has attached in his first post, but, just an FYI.

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] trscons:
Yes, Jim, I followed your instructions and I powered off, then on, between uninstalling and reinstalling the apps. I know the first install was removed; no listing in Setting: App.ications... and no warning about overwriting an existing app. My SOP when removing any app is to stop all processes and flush the cache before deleting an app. I appreciate your suggestions and I am sorry that I wasn't clear in my earlier response.

Tom
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
NP. Just sorry it's not working for you :(...

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] SRTDOC:
Worked great did a 4 person conference meeting 1 gtablet and 3 PC
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] MoonPops:
What version ROM??

Worked great did a 4 person conference meeting 1 gtablet and 3 PC

What version of ROM are you running?

Bill
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Thanks for the feedback Jim.

I forgot to update the version number. I agree it'd be cleaner if the TOS box goes away. But I want the user to be able to access the Terms whenever they want to. I suppose I can add a button to pop it back up.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
advanced testers

I will be releasing a newer version that allows the user to select a server on the Sign On dialog, and of course the corresponding server software for him/her to run it.

My idea is to have a bunch of users running their own servers, and hopefully some willing to share it (make their server public), that would distribute the load to many places, avoiding the single-point of failure.

I'm looking for testers who know how to setup servers. My server software is pretty simple to run, but you'd need to know how to do port forwarding on your router and/or firewall settings. I'll have 3 versions: Windows, Linux, MacOS.

Please PM if interested (specify which version). I'll send out the software when I'm done (hopefully within the week). Thanks!
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
cool...i didn't know the G Tablet can handle that many streams at once.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] SRTDOC:
I am running. tnt-lite 4.1.0
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] SRTDOC:
It did really well again I all video settings turn down but it as as good as dim dim. I use that alot
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Thanks for the feedback. How about the user interface? Does the dynamic scaling of the side-screens work ok with touchscreen? Any suggestions for improvement?
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] MoonPops:
IT WORKS!

Wow, just by accident I changed from the TnT ugi to the android ugi and started up the Reelportal pgm. It loaded up just fine,then logged on with the laptop and connected to each other!! Audio wasn't the best so I need to chat with someone else.

This is on a stock gtab running 3389!!!!

Bill
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Nice! I would suggest disable the videos and see if the audio improves. If it does, then perhaps the video bandwidth/cpu is too high, causing disruption in the audio. Then, you can try lower the video quality to a more tolerable level. BTW, what is "ugi"?
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] MoonPops:
duh!!

BTW, what is "ugi"?

user graphic interface !!
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
Hi,

I have the same question that reelportal had, what did you mean by "TNT ugi" and "android ugi"?

Also, from your post, it sounds like reelportal didn't work at one point, but when you did that accidental change, it started working after that.

Is my interpretation of what you said right or wrong?

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] MoonPops:
That's gui

Jim,

That's GUI, sorry

I kept getting the black screen while starting up ReelPortal in the TNT dashboard home, but it works fine in the Android Home Classic screen interface. Also I noticed that the camera would pop backup later when I had returned to the TnT Dashboard and started a new app.

EDIT:The camers also popped backup after sleeping, and returning to the Home Clasic screen. This camera video (no menu) is on top of the home screen and won't go away.

Bill
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
Hi,

Thanks for the explanation/clarification. I wonder if that has something to do with why some users are seeing only a black screen? Maybe the reelportal apparently is actually running, but it's covered w the black?

I haven't used TNT home page for awhile, since VS made the classic home available, but I plus some others do have a similar problem w Xscope browser and Flash, where the Flash content is covered w a black box.

Since reelportal app uses Air, which is Adobe, maybe the two things (xscope and flash, reelportal and Air) have something in common?

Comments, reelportal?

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
I'm not sure what's going on either. If the camera video is showing up (presumably on the "main screen"), can you try "press and hold" on it for 4 seconds, to see if a pop up menu shows up. If it does, then reelportal app is still running. If not, then may be it died, but AIR hasn't do garbage collection on the resources. I'm just speculating here.

As for the black screen, assuming the reelportal app is running and can process the mouse input, then we can do some test. First, run it with the Android GUI, where it works, and position the "Terms of Service" bar at the top left corner, so that you can remember where it is later. Then exit reelportal app, and rerun it with the TNT black screen. Now click on the top left corner where the "Terms of Service" bar was at and try drag it somewhere else on the screen. It should remember its position. Now exit reelportal app, and rerun it with the Android GUI. Confirm whether the bar was moved at all. If it didn't move, then either reelportal app didn't run, or mouse input was blocked by the black screen.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
Hi,

I can replicate the black screen, by starting with the TNT homepage, then starting reelportal app, and I get a black screen.

If I start with the classic homepage, then start the reelportal app, I can see the startup (loading.., etc.).

So, it seems like that (starting reelportal app from the TNT homepage) may have been the problem.

Re. your last paragraph/suggested test, the problem is how to exit from the reelportal app when all I see is a black screen?

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Ahh...there's an Exit button on the Sign On screen. You can position it at the place you can remember (make sure it's not covered by the scrolling text on the bottom of the screen). And try to click it there when doing the black screen test. If it exits, bingo :).
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
No, clicking anywhere on the black screen doesn't do anything (can't exit). Whatever's causing that black screen seems to be intercepting any screen touches.

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Thanks for doing the testing Jim. I'm out of ideas on this one.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
Well, at least you know that with the Gtab, if someone gets the black screen, have them use the non-TNT home page and start reelportal app from the classic home page instead...

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] TMDoc:
Installed on Two Archos 70's today.

We were able to get video but no audio.

Both running 2.2 Froyo.

TMDoc
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
hmm...is it due to problem accessing the mic or the speaker...can you try to test it with one Archos 70 and one PC (this is because everything should work on the PC), and the unknown is the tablet.

Also, button 9 (mic) should be green (enabled). In case the mic level is low, you can up the volume on the receiving side (not sender side). Keep pressing Volume+ until it shows perhaps "10.20".
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] trscons:
Rereading this thread gave me the idea to try launching Reelportal from the Home Classic screen rather than the default module screen. Surprise! No stopping at a black screen. The microphone and video buttons seem to work, toggling colors. Now to try to find someone to chat with...

Tom

stock gTablet updated thru Dec...
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Great to hear! Thanks for hanging in there. I suggest everyone looking to test join the "xda" room, so other people can connect with you. I'll add this to the first thread.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] jimcpl:
I wonder if only the TNT homepage causes the problem? Anyone try it while using LauncherPro or ADW or others?

Jim
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] TMDoc:
Microphone works from the Archos to a laptop, but no sound is played on the Archos 70 when sending from the mic on the laptop.

TMDoc
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Okay...can you check if you get audio when playing a Youtube video? If yes, let's try the loopback test:

Sign on with the Archos, press button 7 (P2P), and select "Send to Server" mode. Enable your mic and webcam (button 9 & 10). Then, press one of the "blue head" on the right, then press the ">" button on the dialog. A list will appear, and your nickname is the first one on the list. Click it, and you should see/hear your own streams feeding back to you. Basically:

Your video/audio ----> Server -----> Your device

Hope it works.

BTW, did you install the Adobe AIR package from my first post? Or did you get it elsewhere?
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Can anyone tell which Adobe AIR version I posted in the first post? I think it's 2.5.1, instead of the older 2.5, but not sure.

I also found another AIR runtime in the SDK, in subdir "device" instead of "emulator". Maybe it is the version that devices should use. So perhaps it won't cause the black screen with TNT dashboard. I updated the first post on how to get it from the SDK (Adobe doesn't allow posting the AIR apk). Anyone willing to test?
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] TMDoc:
I tried that and still did not get sound.

I used your specific files from this server.

Youtube Does work.

TMDoc
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] MoonPops:
testing

Testing on ReelPortal xda 11:03 cst.

Bill
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
In that case, the AIR version must be 2.5 (vs 2.5.1), and there is a bug in it wrt audio. Please try the enclosed test reelportal.apk. I tweaked the audio buffertime, to hopefully get around the problem. But it would introduce some lag to sound. The real solution is to get 2.5.1 from Android Market.

Everyone else should not download this untested apk, as it may cause you headache :P. I will remove it after you download.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] TMDoc:
Downloaded the new 2.5.1 and it works...kinda.

There is far too much feed back.

TMDoc
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] reelportal:
Cool! Just want to be clear: did you download my test reelportal.apk, or the Adobe AIR 2.5.1 from Android Market?

This test reelportal.apk should work with the old Adobe AIR 2.5 from my first post.

If you downloaded Adobe AIR 2.5.1 from Android Market, then the old reelportal.apk in the first post should work with it (don't need to use this test reelportal.apk in this post)

WRT the feedback, Adobe AIR will be updated to handle the echo in a few months (from what I read). In the meantime, if your hardware has support for echo cancellation, I suggest turn it on. For example, my netbook and laptop has the option in their audio driver. It would work much better (faster) than any software implementation. Of course, you can always use headset to avoid it too.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] TMDoc:
I downloaded the updated 2.5.1 software.

I will check into the echo switching...and yes, head phones would work best.

Thank you

TMDoc