yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G General] welrope:
Speaking of the old gang, is shiznit still around? Im also in Vegas this week for my CCIE written, but haven't ran into NRGZ though..
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
I'm here with my Evo, running my own unpublished rom which is close to stock. Don't really have the time to invest in full Android development these days, so kinda just enjoying my phone. I spent way too many nights up till 4am building roms in my windows mobile days, and I just don't have that kind of time for obsessions these days.
[EVO 4G General] zoned_out:
I kinda agree but only for the fact that I came from the MOTO Droid community that had too many different roms n themes to choose from that had nothing broken. No disrespect but the most of the evo devs are either copyin some other devs **** or just don't know what they are doing putting out half ass roms with vital tools and apks broken. I'm just sayin sayin leave the dev work to the real devs. I'm not an experienced dev but bouncing around from t-mobile to Verizon and now Sprint I've since Android 2.1 long before the froyo leak I've seen and done a lot of mods tweeks and roms nd never seen as many copiers and half ass roms on any phone as much as my evo
[EVO 4G General] welrope:
Thats cool. I miss your rom options and would love to try out what your have cooked up. Don't blame you for not posting though, there was a different breed of people using winmo.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Yes, most of those people were nice. I can't believe the number of asshole posts I see in this forum these days.
[EVO 4G General] welrope:
My point exactly. I actually enjoyed being a part of the development of winmo 6.5 and tried to keeps calk's old thread going for a few months but traded in for an evo. Now that i keep up with the evo development thread, i have noticed about 75% of evo posts are just to piss people off. Its really sad what this portion of XDA has come too-and caused a lot of really smart developers to just say F it and move on. Ex, watching a dev copy directly from cyan's repo, then get pissed when someone uses some of his work.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
100% agree. Why can't we all just smoke a bong?
[EVO 4G General] welrope:
HELL YEAH. I have been in Vegas without for 4 days now. Thank fully I have a buddy driving over from CA to bring me some bubblegum! If you were anywhere near i'd take you up on that!
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
I used to love your ROMs. You are one of the reasons why I got into this in the first place. You were a mentor believe it or not. I used to think (and still do) that I want to build ROMs like Indy.
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
I'll take one for ya.
[EVO 4G General] welrope:
You still do anything over at ppc?
[EVO 4G General] welrope:
HAHAHAHAHAA Soooooo Mean. I have a nice stash back at home but was way to scared to try and fly with it. But i am 2 hours and counting to relaxation!
[EVO 4G General] Cole28:
I don't see a problem with how many roms there are. Sure some are just someone else's rom with a different theme, but from what I can tell it's a lot of work to theme a rom. Not to mention some people are just proud of there custom rom and want to share it with others.

I only wish I had half the talent some of these devs have. I wouldn't even know where to start on theming let alone building my own rom. I do wish it was a little cleaner though sorting through roms and kernals is kind of a pain.
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
Ya I post my copied calkulin ROM.
[EVO 4G General] welrope:
I seriously lol'd hard at that!!
[EVO 4G General] bizarrogreg:
I would say if you change multiple major aspects in a ROM (new non market dl UI, add functionality, change base), you can call it a new ROM and post it as such. If you change minor aspects (new apps, or just cosmetic aspects), maybe just categorize it as a "Themed ROM" in the title. After all, you put enough work into it to make it more than a theme, but less than a brand new ROM.

Thoughts?

If it's a bad idea, that's cool. Just trying to offer up what I can to help the situation.
[EVO 4G General] goodboynyc:
So would it be valid if I use X's ROM and put a,b, and c apps in it post it up? While it's a contribution its just cluttering up the front page shoving away ROMs that have actually undergone some serious work.

If I put excrement on a plate and put a fork in it, that doesn't mean it's done.
[EVO 4G General] Greenfieldan:
...after thinking some more about it, I've decided to say this:

OP, I'm usually very nice on here, and I'm sorry about this. But what you're saying is downright stupid, uncalled for, and plain ignorant. How dare you tell a Dev that their work is stupid, crap, or even copied? Trust me, if people were just copying ROMs there would be hell and that person would more than likely be banned.

We have a FANTASTIC community of developers and I wish people like you would learn to appreciate that. Go look in the Droid X section. There are posts on the first page that haven't been responded to or looked at in DAYS. Here, the bottom post is usually off by about an HOUR. You know why? Because the Evo Dev community is flourishing and trying new things every day. I'm comfortable knowing that even though I bought my Evo several months ago, that it'll feel "new" months into the future because of how many options I have for it. Apart from the Nexus, you might argue that we have the biggest Dev community there is. Are some ROMs going to be less groundbreaking than others? Yes. But hey, even people like you have to exist to promote evolution.

/end rant.
[EVO 4G General] bizarrogreg:
If you are referring to my post, then I agree with you. Maybe the way I typed it is not as clear as the way it sounded in my head.

I was trying to think of a way to separate that exact situation. Someone posted earlier about having different sub-categories under the dev section. Maybe that would be the best way to go.

So, we could have a section for the actual dev ROM's and a separate section for mods with that ROM as it's base.
[EVO 4G General] HeckNoTechnO:
I agree 100% alot of us in this forum are learning, I am one of those, I am a new student to java. I created a rom using myns rom, with myn blessing, and gave credit to myn, and other dev that helped me. I was very excited to share what I did with everyone in this forum. And I agree if you don't like it don't download it. I think this forum is great and I have learned a whole lot from people here who ar not devs, but have learned as I have, a where willing to help me, as I am willing to help my fellow evo owner to have a personal experience. That is what makes Android ans XDA great.
[EVO 4G General] goodboynyc:
I wasn't directly responding to any post but I just had to put that thought out. I can understand building a ROM atop of another custom ROM, but there should be tags used to differentiate them or another section.
[EVO 4G General] jxr94:
Not MIUI lol. I don't use it but hey!
[EVO 4G General] dwertz:
Arent they all copied from Google or HTC? HTC puts out a ROM and its copied and modified for the better or worse? I have not seen any ROMs built from scratch. This forum is to improve what we have. People have different specialties and they add to the community whether it is the person who figures out how to root, to make the recovery, to kernel, to hardware drivers, to theme, and to apps. Everyone adds more flavor to what we have. Obviously people like what the devs are creating or the threads would be empty. I do think credit is should be given where do but I have not seen one thread that its not.
[EVO 4G General] welrope:
That was my point exactly!@ And i agree about MIUI. Some of the Dev's on here should just get there head out of there ass and realize we all copy from someone. Arrogance runs strong in this forum...
[EVO 4G General] WrlsFanatic:
If you don't like them, don't flash them. There are plenty of ROMs that are just a few changes away from being exactly the way I want them, so if someone wants to add just a few options, as long as they give credit where credit is due, then that's fine with me. That's the nature of open source. That's why it exists. If you don't like it, then I'm not sure why you are here.
[EVO 4G General] jxr94:
Ok, this is now my post just edited a little to look new!
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Nice. When either of you are near Santa Cruz, CA shoot me a PM. We know what's up in my neighborhood.
[EVO 4G General] Greenfieldan:
h4x!!! haha :D
[EVO 4G General] zoned_out:
@Jxr94: juss a side note.. the MOTO Droid community is killing the evo hAcking community nd most other android phones. BTW the MOTO Droid is dumb old idk how and why the dev community on that phone is so huge but I loved it when I had it.
[EVO 4G General] supchaka:
I have a bigger **** than everyone
[EVO 4G General] zoned_out:
^ you obviously don't get the point
[EVO 4G General] snowboarda42:
In before the ban!
[EVO 4G General] dwertz:
Oh great, now we are talking about farm animals HAHA
[EVO 4G General] dc13:
I agree with both sides. Why because I'm called a dev but I mainly just make bar roms but getting rid of worthless stuff so im kinda a tweaker. out of a stock rom. Granted I say its just a bare stock rom but still.

Then there is the at least we have a lot of roms to choose from even if they are close to the same.
[EVO 4G General] jxr94:
Nice one!

10?
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
You ought to check out my buddy's app: Cannabis Pocket Reference

http://market.android.com/search?q=pname:com.degausspress.CPR
[EVO 4G General] zerosiah:
It would be most helpful to have sub-forums for Roms and one for Kernels (maybe recovery as well) within the development section
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
^^ The smartest sentence of this entire thread. ^^
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Please take your childish name calling somewhere else. I'm tired of folks here at xda thinking that this kind of behavior is ok. I've been here since 2007, and I can assure you that that's really not what this community is all about.
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
What about CyanogenMod? I think thats about as "from scratch" as it gets without rewriting an entire OS.

Just sayin. :)
[EVO 4G General] 510jungleboy:
I read about five pages and decided not to continue reading. Here is my take on this.

1) There are Pros Dev and Noobz Dev.

2) Noobz Dev gets experience from what they start off , lets say " Theme a ROM " or " Spammed " a ROM.

3) This usually sparks their interest and " maybe " start learning and building their OWN ROM, putting their own tweaks....and so forth

4) Now, through maybe a certain amount of time/years while learning/building the ROM, they will become PROs Dev.

5)Rinse and Repeat - Someone gotta start from somewhere.

Like others have mentioned, Roms is for testing/trying out. If you don't like it, move to the next. You don't really have to bad mouth anyone for trying.

If I was a Dev, and someone used my ROM(with credits due/mentioned) and themed it, I feel like my work is worth something.

I would rather flash 10 ROMs a week vs 5 A week. You catch my drift?

Good luck on your search for the perfect ROM Op.

I've been a member here before you, but less post, but I do agree with you.
[EVO 4G General] dwertz:
Am I missing something? The source code comes from Google, right? It still comes from someone else. CyanogenMod does his custom work to it. I have never ran that so I dont know the details but it still comes from other developers whether they are part of XDA or not.
[EVO 4G General] selders59:
Man, I saw this thread start this afternoon and can't believe it has gotten this far. Remember the old saying "To be copied is the BEST form of flattery"
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
Cyanogen adds in more customization and tweaks than any other rom available. The way I see it, the only way to do more would be to create an entire operating system. Everything done within CyanogenMod is done from code. Nothing is "cooked" into it. I mean no discredit to any other developers here. Personally, I prefer Sense based roms. Just explaining why I think CM is truly developing roms from the ground up. To me, this is what Open Source is all about.

Sent from my HTC Supersonic
[EVO 4G General] JoeLithium:
I feel like a lot of these "noob roms" are just taking great things from different roms and putting them in one. There are some features from some roms that I like, but other features that I don't. These devs are making custom roms that appeal to different people.

What it sounds like your complaining about is that the forum is getting cluttered.

If you feel that way, make sub forums and organize things so it looks better and we can navigate better.

Then you don't have to go to the "noob roms" and people who still want to can.

I feel like as a senior member, you should have the ability to ask a moderator or admin to change things around to make it more organized and appeal to everyone.
[EVO 4G General] TMartin:
This is a useless thread. I agree there are a lot of ROMs but they all have some differences whether it be certain app's added or certain things removed, etc.

This community isn't here to point fingers. I can surely call some people out but that is childish and belongs in your local high school. These people with themed ROMs are releasing ROMs. Everyone likes there own flavor, whether it be a slightly modded stock ROM, a themed stock ROM, etc.
[EVO 4G General] Drewmungus:
+1 that would be sweet

I'd also like to see "based off of" in more thread titles. Mostly of the roms on here are great and labeled good enough.

Is there any way devs could leave a small text document in like the framework folder just saying their name and what they did. Then say a theme was flashed over the rom both new and old text docs would be in there.
[EVO 4G General] spankmaster:
agree 100% with OP. Including 2 new apps and some new icons is NOT a new rom. Yes i have cooked "my own" rom before, but i didnt post it. Why? Cause all i did was include the aosp browser and put in the HTC messenger into a another rom. Did i develop anything? NO. did i truly contribute or better the community? HELL NO. Did i deserver recognition for my "accomplishment" or "skills" HELLZ TO THE NO'S!!! the dsixda kitchen makes it so easy my dog could make her own rom. By getting rid of these copy roms, we are helping the community by UN-diluting the current ROM pool and development can be more concentrated. It also gets rid of alot of confusion from new comers to the scene because seeing to full pages or ROMs that ALL look the same can be horribly confusing and incredibly intimidating and not to mention, can also leave a bad taste in their mouths if they decide on some ones copied Rom that has a few bugs, and then realize that the "developer" cant do a darn thing to fix it because all he knows nothing about actually developing. I whole heartedly encourage EVERYONE out there to download the dsixda kitchen and truly get used to and familiarize themselves with the ROM creation process and customize everything that they want! That does 2 things. 1. Gets rid of PAGES of "can you make a patch that changes this bar?" or "can you make a version of this rom with XXXX kernel?" making the constructive and important information in the threads easier to find and 2. Raises the base level of knowledge through the roof and lets people do what they rooted their phones to do in the first place---- what THEY want to do!:D
[EVO 4G General] jpagel:
Useless thread? I have to agree to disagree - I've seen since Gingerbread has there has definitely been a increase in Rom threads - going through them, they all essentially are the same - point being that I totally agree if they are themed / apps changed around they should be in a separate section; along with the point of sub-setting the forum (kernels vs roms). This thread is useless in the fact that there are going to be so many opinions on whether they should be called roms or not - lets face it as stated previously everyone has to start somewhere. A thread like the title and vote of this *could* be taken as discouraging to some "noobs" starting out that could in the long haul make some awesome finds or changes.

Agreed this community isn't here to point fingers, no community should be - especially when all this work is being done without a steady paycheck or anything of that nature. But in the same breath - its a community - just like society. It will never be perfect, there will always be those posts that are just plain ridiculous or in same cases just taken the wrong way. Everyone is different, and provides their point of view differently (nicely, bluntly, some even rudely).
[EVO 4G General] kthejoker20:
Finally the trolls have gone away and this is turning into a productive thread.
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
It might be possible if enough users lobbied toast to send it up the line. But I haven't been around long enough to know just how possible it would be. I agree though, it would make things more organized and more convenient, especially when using tapatalk.

Sent from my HTC Supersonic
[EVO 4G General] flight01:
I dont really agree with this thread. I understand what the op is trying to say and do agree to a certain extent. But in my mind there are different types of Developers. One type is the modder the other is rom maker and another is themer. Some can be one, two or even all of these. Modders are at the cutting edge developing new things (i.e. JsChiSurf and the notification pull down power controls, calkulin's hot spot fix/mms). Rom makers whether they created it or not combine modds together into a rom they like and think others would to, they may also include theming in roms as well. Themers for the most part make things look good and only do cosmetic changes and not change functionality to much.

Roms for the most part are for lazy people who dont wanna flash alot of different mods or themes to achieve their desired result (Like Me :D ) I do think that the roms that are complete copies of already established roms just maybe with a diferent theme do need to stop. But if a rom is based off another rom but with substantial changes that change the functionality in some way is ok

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Thats my 2cents u may or may not agree with me this is just how i see it
[EVO 4G General] tyler.durden:
I think MIUI is the closest to 'from scratch' as I've seen, personally...but even that is based on AOSP.
[EVO 4G General] eVoKINGS:
I am sure to a great extent that this thread is directed at me personally! Remaember that there is no school for this! Everyone has there distorted views and opinions about what is and what isn't Who is and who isn't! Everyone and everything is welcome! I do what i do because i love to do it! All the anklebiting,putting down whatever rom and or thread doesn't even cross my mind! Try putting in the 100's of hours it takes to do what little i can do! Plus i get permission from every devs stuff that i use!

Original gimme a break! 90% percent of the roms out there are stock with cosmetic changes!

i can't make 2.1,2.2,2.3.1,3.70,cm6or7 plat- forms can you! it's all copy cat! I mean really give it a break! That's why it's called community not cult or Dictatorship! When the negative posts come out with no good motive behind it it hurts the dev as well as the community!

I'm going to keep moving forward doing what i love!

As for the rom spammiming yes i am a culprit! When i got on a role i went post crazy and i am truly sorry for that and wished that i didn't but it happened!

I am now gonna just update what i have and leave them at that!

I work with with sacs,ammakim,dc13,and numerous others and i am happy where my skills stand!

Please give it a break,thanks!
[EVO 4G General] apristel:
I personally enjoy having 2043084 different roms to choose from. I don't care who made what or did this blabla, bottom line is that I have choices. Maybe its the one icon that is themed different that makes it a rom that I want.

Alot of ppl don't care to be flashing themes, applying morphs, etc to get a specific look..."hey lets just flash rom x and be done with it."

I'd certainly rather have TOO MANY roms than too few.

Thanks Devs and "Spam-Devs?"

lol I love you all.
[EVO 4G General] a senile fungus:
So.... my car is better than yours.

Similar parts though huh?

Hm...

Also. I cook bomb ass mac and cheese. Sure you can make yours too, but mine is awesome sauce in a can. At the restaurant the mac and cheese all tastes the same, but I can add a slice of American cheese and hotdog to mine. Mmmm!

But my brother, oh man. My brother is a chef. Holy moly can he cook. Doesn't matter what it is, its amazing. Absolutely tasty and rich with flavor.

I think that eating microwavable easymac in college made me appreciate my own cooking. But my bro's cooking makes me appreciate him and his skill set. (Or skillet ;)

You know what I'm saying?

Edit:. I guess they say the proof is in the pudding. But I'll eat manufactured and homemade pudding...

~ I'm a fungi
[EVO 4G General] nosfanatic2006:
^ I don't understand, but I love lol ^
[EVO 4G General] a senile fungus:
I don't either. I just eat what he puts on front of me. So yummy in my tummy

~ I'm a fungi
[EVO 4G General] tyler.durden:
Amen to that statement!
[EVO 4G General] jakdillard:
OK read this whole thread .... you may not like what I have to say but I agree there are alot of the same mods being passed around but in different packages ..... BUT someone has to create that theme and someone has to discover that framework mod ... is that not developing ...... SO is it ok to theme calkulins rom and redistribute it, yeah because that is whoever's mod of calk's rom that they are proud of and want to share with you. I think the point the op is making a theme is a marvelous work of art and talent that may not have to be shared in a whole rom, some of these developers make excellent themes that I would like to use in my stock rom. To back up my reason for agreeing with the OP is there are some roms out there that are duplicates of each other ...... huh .... screw it I developed for the evo but got bored with it to the point where I went back to WM and got myself a HD2 and about to start developing for it instead don't get me wrong I still have my EVO and Android is not a bad mobile OS but its the app market that makes it and gets it by as when its all done and over with it still has the same problems that WM has if not more. Now for the point and close when I check into the Evo development section in any forum I visit I SEE THE SAME STUFF OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT THAT CALK, PRELUDEDREW THE CYANOGEN TEAM BNICE AND SOME OF THE THEMERS DO.
[EVO 4G General] kccasey:
So, although at first, I took the OP comments as just throwing stones, he isn't and he makes a good point now that I think about it.

I voted and Agreed with the OP witha few exceptions as mentioned below.

The Dev area has become WAYYY too littered with ROM spammers, but then again I would have to say that the word, "Spammers" is a Very strong word to use, which is probably what led me to disagree at first with the OP.

ROMS like CM, Fresh, Everolv, etc should be kept in the development section and all others kicked out and into a different thread, obviously something along the lines of Cooked Roms or Custom ROMS.

Even though CM does a lot of Customization, he ALSO does a lot of Dev work to the ROM as well. thats just one of many things he does to them. Same thing with FRESH.

ALL ROMS were taken from one place or another and recompiled, but its the Development ones like CM, Fresh, Everolv, etc that do MUCH more than just that, as I mentioned in the 2nd paragraph.

Anybody can Cook a ROM and reboil it and recook it into something else.
[EVO 4G General] kccasey:
So in the case of themeing up a ROM, there should be a section in the theme section names, "Themed ROMs" or somethign along those lines.
[EVO 4G General] dwertz:
Do we really need more sections so people can say, "You are posted in the wrong section"
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
IMO, unless you have ever supported a public rom, your opinion is invalid in this thread. This includes the OP.