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[Nexus One General] draugaz:
Such a buttonless phone does not make much sense to me.

I do not think el goog will carry this feature over to the honeycomb phone edition. Why should they do this and what would it bring?

The whole idea of the virtual buttons is to solve that "muscle memory" problem. A typical tablet is held in the hands the same way regardless of the orientation and does not feel very different. Thus the user will unintentionally look for the buttons at the same accustomed spot, so the buttons should not "migrate" depending on the orientation.

You usually do not have this problem on the phone. There are 2 most common distinct orientations: either using "on the go" holding one-handed (landscape or portrait), or mostly "stationery" holding with two hands in landscape. Both cases are totally different, so the users don't develop this universal "memory". At least I don't, in contrast to the tablet I've never had the urge to reach out for the button somewhere below the screen while holding my phone in landscape orientation.

I actually have 2 different "muscle memories": one for portrait and another for landscape scenarios.

And in contrast to more or less stationary tablets where one could meaningfully use some dynamic buttons, the phone's button layout is better kept the same since it is often used on the go and user wants to use his/hers "muscle memory" without looking.

In my opinion it is very unfortunate, that most phones do not have real mechanical buttons anymore, at least for "call" and "end". Capacitive buttons are a ***** to use if your hands are wet or in gloves.
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
What multitouch gestures are they talking about for 'back' and 'exit'?? On all the Android 3.0 demos I saw there were no multitouch gestures to replace the hardware buttons, they had software buttons controlled by the system to replace them.
[Nexus One General] GldRush98:
Hey look, more baseless inaccurate speculation! Yay!
[Nexus One General] danger-rat:
Groundhog day!
[Nexus One General] bradsh1:
i for one have no interest in a buttonless phone. i already hate capacitive buttons enough
[Nexus One General] nexus-six:
very true. WTF google?
[Nexus One General] madballs:
So I just read an article regarding the Gingerbread update to Nexus One. It does not say much other than it is coming.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/17687/nexus_one_gingerbread
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
That contained no information what so ever lmao

Still, with that headline it's bound to get them a lot of clicks :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] madballs:
Ya, it does not say a thing. It's a new article but it does not have any new info. LOL
[Nexus One General] Androyed:
To quote someone at another thread: you sound like a kid on christmas eve. Jesus...
[Nexus One General] canadariot2312:
Some sources are saying that it is coming in a couple of days, but if they release another tweet saying something like "a couple of days", I would be really concern.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
I honestly believe we ditched hard-buttons to go for the futuristic look of capacitive buttons. I see no other reason why they would do this. Judging from the HD2, hard-buttons do not increase the bulk of the phone all... which is the major reason I assumed they remove them.

The buttons on a phone are the only thing that actually shouldn't be capacitive. I found it incredibly irritating that somehow my screen worked with gloves on, but the capacitive home, menu, etc. buttons did not. I need some scientific explanation >.>
[Nexus One General] twflys:
The best looking phone ever has to be the Nexus S. I am serious guys, say it looks cheap or iphoneish. I returned mine due to lack of sd card slot and not much increase in performance over the N1... but if they made that thing with a gig of ram and a 1.5 mhz processor with 16gb onboard memory AND an sd card slot. I'd pay a freakin grand for it... the Nexus S is a sexy damn phone.
[Nexus One General] canadariot2312:
I would have to disagree and say the Sony Xperia Arc is way better in terms of design (most phones are trying to look like the iPhone). It isn't trying to copy anything and I would buy it unlocked if it had T-Mobile's 3G.

On that subject, why does the Xperia Arc have Gingerbread?!
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
The Xperia Arc doesn't have Gingerbread yet anymore then the N1 does.

Anyway, this post and the one before it are way off-topic. Why on earth would someone post about how much they like the design of the NS in a thread about Gingerbread for the N1?
[Nexus One General] Lord_Buckington:
They're both good looking phones, both with some interesting, unique features, and perhaps both most notably lacking dual-core processors. SE seem to want to avoid the complaints over releasing a phone with an outdated OS.

Sent from my Nexus One
[Nexus One General] nexus-six:
The best looking phone is the one that actually gets supported with OS updates and gets a shiny new interface.
[Nexus One General] arkavat:
I think OTA is on it's way. Google has finally fixed the SMS bug.

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392&cnum=500&cstart=1401#c1460

Considering the publicity it got, I am won't be surprised to know that Google decided the bug to be a show stopper for gingerbread release to other devices.
[Nexus One General] avio07:
At least apple doesn't do bull**** like this when they release a new iphone, they still continue to release updates for older models even if the older models cant handle the software.

Google you have sold out to sell more units of Galaxy S before sending an update for older Nexus One.
[Nexus One General] mo2002:
if u compare iphone to google maybe u should switch to verizon or att instead of whining about an update YOU WILL HAVE 1ST BEFORE ANY OTHER GOOGLE HANDSET (excluding the S of course)
[Nexus One General] osetivo:
I suspect that most of us can count and recite the alphabet, so ignoring the linear nature of Android's versions and alpha codenames 2.3, 2.4, 3.0 and F, G, H, I for a moment...

I think Google realized it need to act quickly in the Tablet space to keep the iPad from getting too big of a foothold in the market (oops), so it forked development into phone and tablets. I think the phone development will track the 2.X path, and that we will see a 2.4 ICS on the phone, but that eventually the codebase will converge back into 3.x at some point. Hopefully.

my rampant speculation = $0.01
[Nexus One General] nexus-six:
I see what you did there.

Maybe also mention the rumors of other phones get gingerbread "soon".

Pretty laughable if the big GOOG can't even release updates for their own developer phone but they bash carriers/manufacturers for not pushing updates to their phone.

"Be evil?"
[Nexus One General] UmbraeSoulsbane:
So your running iOS4 on an iPhone 2g without jailbreaking? No your not.
[Nexus One General] Rod3:
Well played sir. Couldn't have said it better myself.:D
[Nexus One General] thesoze:
Gingerbread 2.3 in Feb for Nexus One?

I sure hope so....

http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/01/2...id-2-3-gingerbread-update-coming-in-february/
[Nexus One General] :
With the Xoom coming out feb 14...lol

Pre emptive "where's my honeycomb!"
[Nexus One General] Timmmmmm:
I hate to fan the flames, but let's not distort the facts: Apple have never abandoned any iPhones that are younger than (I think - I checked a while ago) 2.5 years old. Most* Android phones seem to last less than a year before the manufacturer says "No more updates."

*Note I'm not saying all, obviously.

Anyway, luckily the Nexus One does get updates. :-)
[Nexus One General] UmbraeSoulsbane:
Fan away. :)

You just need to remove Android from your statement. Most phone are abandoned within a year. This is because they want you to buy new models. This has nothing to do with Google or Android.

Apple on the other hand usually holds back features or design phone lacking something so they can release a new model in a year. They then use that and usually some style and marketing tweaks to get you to buy a new one.

If you really dissect the industry they all do the same anti-consumer things in varying ways. Its about getting more money from you more frequently.

My original post on this was just correcting the inaccurate post that Apple provides OS updates to older phones. They don't and will drop them off quickly when they can: usually done through intentional hardware design. They might support those older phones longer than others, but that has no relevance on the Nexus One and Gingerbread release discussion.
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
Well, give examples at least.

Copy, paste, and text selection? Something that Android STILL doesn't get right even in 2.3? Could it be that it's hard to implement? Or perhaps lower in priority?

Multi-tasking? Android STILL has issues with rogue third party apps causing performance or battery issues. Could it also be a complicated thing to implement correctly?

Maybe it has less to do with greed and more to do with the fact that GOOD software is hard to make. Apple being a user experience focused company amplifies this even further. I'm not doubting that all companies are greedy but it's not as clear cut as saying: oh, it's all about greed and positioning.

Re: updates.

At some point you'll have to accept that a 400 MHz ARMv6 CPU with 128 MB of RAM phone wont be able to do the same things a 800-1000 MHz Cortex A8 CPU with 512 MB of RAM phone can do. Think about how different the two are. At least Apple provides support through the potentially two to three years you'll own it. We can't say that about ANY Android phone to date.

Edit: This is off topic so lets just end that talk here.
[Nexus One General] descendency:
Getting a system update as we speak.

Not sure what it is.

edit: It's android 2.2.2. . . wtf?
[Nexus One General] avgjoemomma:
It's just 2.2.2, relax:rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] KROMO50:
Yea my bro just got it what is it I am on cyan mod
[Nexus One General] iboj007:
Any chance you captured the link?
[Nexus One General] r0derich:
android.clients.google.com/packages/ota/passion/2854b06b22b9.signed-passion-FRG83G-from-FRG83D.2854b06b.zip
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Interesting, any changlog for this android 2.2.2? Maybe just a prep for GB...
[Nexus One General] inconceeeivable:
Is it just me, or does this not bode well for our chances of an official GB OTA anytime soon?
[Nexus One General] Chris41336:
^ I disagree. This probably means that a GB update is coming soon. This fix probably fixed issues that might carry over to GB if the GB update was applied over the 2.2.1 currently installed.
[Nexus One General] inconceeeivable:
Interesting. I hadn't thought about it from the OTA perspective (in terms of installing GB over Froyo). Hope that's the case, but I still don't understand why they wouldn't have simply included the fix at the GB release. (Then again, I'm not a developer lol) :)
[Nexus One General] :
It's probably the sms bug fix, critical update was moved up over the feature update.
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
I disagree with your disagreement. A firmware update is really the only thing that would make sense as a precursor to an OS update. This is just a bunch of very small app and library updates.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Agreed, unfortunately.
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
To me it looks like a bunch of minor fixes across the board.

The biggest patches being applied to the mms and maps (12-14kb).

Everything else is outright tiny, under 3kb. Many patches as small as under 200 bytes.

I would say it is a messaging problem fix + security update. Otherwise it is difficult to explain why someone would just slightly touch some 50 apps.
[Nexus One General] :
That's standard for OTA updates, it's more of a "yup, that's still there" check.
[Nexus One General] zetacbr:
Yeah well, but Nexus S got 2.3.2 at the same time so ... no news bad news.
[Nexus One General] mkrmec:
unlock bootloader, install a 2.3 ROM from dev section ... CyanogenMod 7 is already way better than anything Google will release.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
For some reason people really do not seem to want to do this, or either do not know how. I know you should not have to root your device as the Nexus was supposed to be supported for a long period of time, but sometimes the latest and greatest is available to you sooner by doing so. If everyone did this, everyone would have 2.3.

I believe people don't think you should have to do this to receive updates, and that they are entitled to the updates as soon as they can get them. Eventually the N1 will be forgotten by Google and we will all have to root our devices to get the latest and greatest updates -- like the G1, which was left behind on Donut.. but still is running even Froyo to this day. By that time though I'm sure we will have moved on.

Everyones problems can be fixed with the easiness of rooting ^^

Root. Flash 2.3 ROM. Enjoy Gingerbread much sooner before it is released.
[Nexus One General] jsapp:
Sent from my Nexus One
[Nexus One General] fyid:
>For some reason people really do not seem to want to do this,

one reason is with the OTA we don't have to wipe.
[Nexus One General] mg77:
I totally agree. I have installed custom roms in the past only to find out that all functions are not working properly. When Google will stop supporting it I will move on to a new product.
[Nexus One General] mkrmec:
even google released stuff that doesn't work properly, the thing is that you get on custom it usually get's fixed much faster than official updates

wiping is the problem?.. lol if you're that lazy you don't deserve the goodness of custom roms you wipe when you change big Android version aka 2.2 to 2.3 to 2.4.. not everytime it gets updated...
[Nexus One General] G0belet:
This and the lack of proper gingerbread drivers. We're currently using bad workarounds to compensate the lack of these drivers
[Nexus One General] bradsh1:
CM7 currently has a critical flaw. Incoming and outgoing calls freeze the phone for 10-20 seconds. IMO it is not currently usable.
[Nexus One General] nexus-six:
If you only install custom ROMs why did you get a nexus one to begin with.

Get a motorola phone!

GOOG sold the phone with the promise it would get updates first. Stupid wrong advertising if you ask me. I understand that it won't get updates 2-3+ years down the line when the hardware gets too old but dumping the phone not even 12 months after it started selling to the public is fudging LAME!
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
You should state that that problem is only for a small select group of users.

Most people are not running into that.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Bwahahahaha good one
[Nexus One General] nexus-six:
Good one because it's true: If you want a phone that doesn't get updates ... your choices are Motorola, Samsung ... and Nexus One.

:)
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Maybe so, but Motorola lock their bootloaders so tight you can't load a custom ROM.
[Nexus One General] BiTXBoi:
Nexus One? From 2.1 to 2.1-update1, 2.2, 2.2.1 and now 2.2.2...all in 1 year!!! :rolleyes:

Get real...and stop whining. Nexus One owners have been the ones getting all the updates, and now that there's one phone having an Android version that the Nexus One still has not (but will), people start crying...
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
Another troll or spoiled 12 year old. Great thing this forum has an ignore function.
[Nexus One General] Hasilpuri:
my mate has just received ota to 2.3 on his nexus one, its stock on o2 UK. Any one else received it?
[Nexus One General] Ok-Alex:
Prof?

I think he got 2.2.2
[Nexus One General] decodecoding:
Are you sure he received 2.3 and not 2.2.2 ? Please let us know. :confused:
[Nexus One General] Hasilpuri:
no its definetly 2.3.1, i didnt belive him when he first told me but he sent me a picture.

Is there anyway he can copy the update file location and then we can update it manually?
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
logcat, if it's even real that is, which i think it isn't.
[Nexus One General] Ok-Alex:
Please show those picture :)
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Also doubt it, but even if it was real, it'll be passed the logcat stage, would need to take a nand backup and upload it.
[Nexus One General] Hasilpuri:
whats wrong with logcat? wouldnt that work? I have asked my friend to download log cat from market.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Phone will have been reset as part of the update, thus blanking the log.
[Nexus One General] Hasilpuri:
Sorry guys it all turned out to b a joke. My friend was bit bored so he strated doing bit of photo editing. And 2.3.1 was photoshoped.
[Nexus One General] rheza02:
Please upload his log cat.
[Nexus One General] BiTXBoi:
http://www.sabinabecker.com/images/no-****-sherlock.jpg
[Nexus One General] morfy50:
Look at it this way, we got the bogus "oh, hai! I got the latest OTA update!!" post out the way. :P

Next time it's the real deal (hopefully)
[Nexus One General] canadariot2312:
And when will that be? My bet is on February, with an OTA on March. An update before any of the manufacturers start shipping phones with Gingerbread.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Unfortunately theres been numerous ones of these already.
[Nexus One General] midyat47:
Omg what's so special about GB. Everybody is crying like a baby haha. If u like GB that mutch, install a custom rom. Don't cry!! Thats it!

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[Nexus One General] wang1404:
What if google still loves us and release 2.4 even before nexus s? But I read somewhere 2.4 will still be gingerbread. I guess google is taking this long to release 2.3 because they're combining it to 2.4
[Nexus One General] wang1404:
That's what google accounts are for! they back up mostly everything for you. Especially contacts
[Nexus One General] wang1404:
Haha no cussing but still insulting lol
[Nexus One General] canadariot2312:
That would be so cool of Google to give the Nexus One Gingerbread before the S, but I don't see that happening. At best (very thin chance of this), they will update both phone simultaneously OTA to 2.4 when it is released.
[Nexus One General] david1171:
I know what date on your calendars to mark....
[Nexus One General] decodecoding:
February 31st?
[Nexus One General] maxppp:
2012

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[Nexus One General] Axefield:
Or maybe 1901... ummm that already passed, it can't be that.
[Nexus One General] KROMO50:
I just want cyanogen 7 stable
[Nexus One General] Shivammcool:
Me 2
[Nexus One General] wang1404:
Me three
[Nexus One General] pizad_sura:
i'm no longer wait for it , i'm using cm7 nightly build it nearly stable update every day :P
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
Aside from the dialer wonkiness, I would agree that it's stable.
[Nexus One General] frandavid100:
What's with the dialer? Never noticed anything...
[Nexus One General] KROMO50:
If wanna update to 7.0 from 6.1.1 what are the step i need to take. updating kernel baseband

Phone info

kernel version 2.6.35.9 cyabogenmodshade@toxygene #1

baseband 32.36.0.28u_4.06.0012_7
[Nexus One General] b1337:
Huh? That doesn't make sense can u write in complete sentences..
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
The kernel will be updated when you install CM7, and the baseband doesn't need to be changed, but if you feel like it, you can.
[Nexus One General] hate_Romania:
using cm7 nightly build 16 and everything is OK except the navigation, it keeps saying "getting driving directions", I've tried to clear the cache for the maps with no success, any ideas?

thx
[Nexus One General] KROMO50:
Thank you Rusty. So when I update i don't need to wipe just load the new nightly that being me going from nightly to nightly
[Nexus One General] android01:
I been flashing nightlys using rom manager and i do a full wipe each time, but i like to be sure.

I hear of guys who dont wipe, but with all the comments about bugs and odd behavior, ive always felt a full wipe was safer.

I can fully reinstall my n1 how i like it in under 20 minutes even after a wipe now. I got pretty good at it, and its nice to know that all my applanet warez is cleaned off just in case =-)

I should also mention im using an ATT radio n1 with the stock hboot and stock radio. and have zero problems. I have the AMOLED screen . Everything is stock,( othwer than cm7 nightly ) even my bootloader is still locked as i used universal androot to root it. I have no problems with anything, Zero bugs and its completely stable for me . ( wtf are you guys doing to make your phones act so buggy )

Ive had zero problems with this method, and i hear some of the slcd guys with the updated hboots are the ones with all the issues.
[Nexus One General] Devastatin:
There can be multiple issues that will cause erratic behavior in the phone.

Bad blocks of memory

Different Hboot

Different MICROP

Different touchpad interface revision

Different Radio

Different recoveries

Different Hardware in general.

And even with just looking at the low level items on the phone, there still is the applications themselves that the people install. Including kernel's drivers, god knows what else.

Until there is a tool developed that can provide and host a good list of hardware and software installed on a users phone, there just isn't a good enough way to weed out the combination's that cause the erratic behavior.
[Nexus One General] ghostee90@yahoo.com:
Eternal Update Wait

My, I stopped waiting for the update. When did they say "Within the next few weeks"? How many months ago? Exactly how many weeks are in a "few weeks"? 180 weeks? 6000 weeks? I stopped waiting and gave up. I took the sim out of the phone and am using my rooted Xperia X10 Mini to play around with. I keep up on sites like this one as well as engadget. When I see that people are getting the update, I will wait a "few days" before I put the sim in the ol N1 and hope for the update. I would suggest getting a second phone to root and play around with, will occupy your time while waiting the eternity for the next N1 update.
[Nexus One General] fyid:
in fairness they never said "next few weeks" or "next couple weeks" - they said "the coming weeks", which seems broader. still, they might've been better off using even more general/longer wording.
[Nexus One General] GldRush98:
I lol'ed

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[Nexus One General] Snoduz:
"few weeks" vs "coming weeks" depends on which twitter-source you use. Reto Meier, Android Developer Advocate at Google, said "should be coming in a few weeks" on December 6th. The "google nexus" twitter-account said "in the coming weeks" on December 20th.
[Nexus One General] decodecoding:
Well. those few week have already become a month so I guess it is meaningless analyzing twitter bull-****.

I'm happy so far with my stock Froyo 2.2.2 so let's not be eager about the update.
[Nexus One General] Salival:
This news about fix of random reboots, which google will roll out within one to two weeks, maybe this is 2.3 OTA for Nexus one?
[Nexus One General] morfy50:
This is just speculation on my part, but I don't think we'll see Gingerbread until all Nexus S problems are fixed.

Whether the same problems would appear on the Nexus One with a Gingerbread release, I'm not sure. But I just don't think Google would have a perfectly running Nexus One out there while people are still struggling with their latest, greatest flagship phone. That would look very bad.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Huijun:
Hi All,

Maybe I'm the only one with this problem, because i can't seem to find any other thread that mentions this. My haptic feedback is weak with any rom other than the stock rom. It's probably because the other roms I try are based on I9000, but even if I set the vibration to high under haptic feedback, I can barely feel it. Is there anyway to fix this? Thanks in advance.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avgjoegeek:
Like you said it is ROM Dependent. I don't think there is a 3rd party app to fix this - yet.

Could look on the Market and see if there is anything out there.

I know the i9000 ROM's have haptic issues - but figured it was mainly due to the "Home" button not having it.