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[Vibrant General] rmjones101:
That's a load of crap.

First, the decision to rely heavily on a cell phone to dictate the success of your daily work is your own decision. Millions/Billions of people worldwide are able to function daily without being tied to their cell phones.

Second, even if the heavenly bodies were to align just right and allow for that situation to merit any recompense, it wouldn't fall under the category of Emotional Distress. It would instead fall under gross negligence. However for that to be the case, you would have to have purchased the device under a contractual agreement with Samsung/T-Mo which states they are knowingly providing a product/service specifically to provide your business a required service, and they are offering a guarantee that the product/service will not hinder your business.
[Vibrant General] zapote21:
Im just wondering... At which point did Samsung say that the updates were NOT coming?

Because really... until that happens, you have no case...

This is stupid.

BTW, my Vibrant worked great while I had it. The update fixed my GPS, and never had another day's worth of trouble.

My daughter has a Vibrant too... Works like a charm...

Defective phone? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Good luck
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
why did you get rid of your Vibrant?
[Vibrant General] jrkart99:
True, but washing machines only have a few people that can fix them and are not realistically modifiable, relatively speaking. Android is an open source code that a lot of people can program, myself being not one of them. I just pay attention, learned how to flash, and hum a few bars and fake it when necessary. If i didn't figure this out, i'd probably feel slighted. But I don't.

I'm not denying that there is some shadeball stuff going on. And the average consumer is not getting what was promised, but we don't know the relative "damage" that has been doing that warrants retribution. We have a completely different perspective on how this should have played out, be we aren't the ones who have been slighted. Those are the people who should be annoyed and calling for suits, not the elite folks who can program or at least know who to flash. IMO there is going to have to be a significant number of people to sign onto this and provable malice. This is crappy PR for samsung, but technically they aren't doing anything wrong except be bad customer service and not caring about customer satisfaction. TMO, google aren't oblivious to their practices. Tmo doesn't want people unhappy and returning phones, and google wants people to use android for ad revenue. It'll come around sooner or later.

The only way I feel slighted is that I vouched for this phone for a friend who is basically a computer illiterate plumber. He had complaints, but I have taken it as my responsibility to flash for him. He's happy now.

Maybe we should get xda out there more as the alternative, so they are aware of the issues and learn how to do this stuff and take the power back from the huge lumbering companies, that don't care. Pro-activity never hurt.

Rage against the snack machine.

PS- Watch Fight club again, especially the scene where Edward norton talks about recalls. It is exactly this situation. Flaws yes, but the cost of inactivity is far less than what it would be to fix minor issues than initaiate a massive recall. We also can't prove much. Its easier to just buy off the individuals who really put up a stink.
[Vibrant General] KiNG OMaR:
The original vibrant is destined to get froyo only AFTER all the money that can possibly made on the Vibrant 4G is made. That's just my take on all this.

Samsung has taken the Apple approach, release a new phone every few months and expect the consumers to upgrade to the new thing.

Hah, now Samsuck will realize that people do not appreciate their clever get-rich-quick schemes.
[Vibrant General] monstah_rain:
I don't know why everyone's on this guy's case for file a class action lawsuit, I'm all for it. Doubt any money will come into my pocket. But at least it will raise some awareness. Samsung needs to wake up and stop bragging about how many phones they sold and start taking care of their current customers. T-Mobile needs to do the same thing before they lose more customers and become the number five carrier in the US (it's a long shot, I know).
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
Open Source, right......

so where's the Vibrant's (SGH-T959) froyo source code?

eh??????

:rolleyes:

iWin
[Vibrant General] vud911:
The update did not fix my GPS. But then again my Vibrant was one of the early batch, made July of 2010.

I can say the GPS is defective. The only thing I haven't tried is the hardware fix posted but that voids your warranty...
[Vibrant General] monstah_rain:
This thread has now been featured on Phandroid.com

http://phandroid.com/2011/01/14/tic...-lawsuit-against-samsung-t-mobile-over-froyo/

and on AndroidCommunity.com

http://androidcommunity.com/class-a...ver-lack-of-froyo-update-to-vibrant-20110114/
[Vibrant General] speoples20:
Given the track record with Samsung, I'm looking at you behold 2, they suck with customer support. I had the Vibrant but have since moved on to the MT4G. I doubt I will ever buy another Samsung product again. Just look at reviews of their products online and you read nothing but complaints about updates or support.

And people saying just root and flash a new rom, you are missing the point. You shouldn't have to flash a custom rom, there by voiding the warranty, to make the phone work.

I am Jack's MT4G
[Vibrant General] dglowen23:
Yeah im all for this too, i remember gettin my vibrant back in july and hearing the froyo update was coming September at the latest.. it is now 2011 and we havent recieved an update because Samsung keeps holdin it back, then there gonna release a Vibrant with a Preinstalled FFC that really works... dont u ever wonder wut goes through their mind?
[Vibrant General] jrkart99:
Where the source code? On our vibrants, who cares where the leaks came from, can't really prove they came from anywhere in a court of law, unless there is a warrant,.. which is baseless because there is no malice, no laws were broken. I'd say I win, but in actuality, we win. XDA followers have already won,... Everyone else loses. And thats the point. A lawsuit spawned off of xda really has no major traction because we fixed it, albeit with effort. Should we have had to? No. But what damage could we prove? Thats why a ton of people have to get on board with this and back up the claims we THINK are true, (as I do)

I'm all from taking down da man, trust me. but you have to have more than one bullet in the gun to humble a giant. Or it better be a pretty big bullet, which... we don't really have at this point. Still mostly rumors. just my opinion.
[Vibrant General] SimonNWalker:
You should all remember that the article information was from a semi-anonymous tipster who claimed to be internal to T-Mobile and was closely related to the issue.

We had and still have no way of confirming the information he provided.

We did email the person and had a couple of replies, but nothing that provides tangible evidence of his claims.

This still doesn't make the way Samsung are treating their customers any more excusable.
[Vibrant General] kletiz:
Lets do this! It frustrates me daily to see the lack of support we get for these phones. It frustrates me even more to see @Samsungservice on twitter replying with the same response...

"Samsung feels it is important to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available only after we feel that we can give the millions of U.S. Galaxy S owners a simple and reliable upgrade experience. Due to the complexity and unique functionality of each Galaxy S device, we are performing additional testing and are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S. Galaxy S owners, including the Samsung Vibrant, as soon as possible."

This makes me feel like they are incompetent.

Look at how functional/updated all of HTC's phones are. You see no complaints on there twitter or facebook page.
[Vibrant General] poetgeek:
'bout time! Please consider expanding the scope to include AT&Ts Captivate. Exact same issues and practices.

Post over in the Captivate forum if and when we can get on board.

FWIW Samsung took my SGS Captivate in for "warranty repair" and simply reset the device and sent it back. No improvement. Duh.
[Vibrant General] Addel:
ah the joy of people with their "I don't agree with this" and "I agree with this" posts...

isn't it good that somebody is finally taking actions instead of complaining to tmobile and samsung saying "WHEN IS MY 2.2!? and my GPS!?"

cause apparently, i am tired as well. and NO i don't wanna buy another $500+ phone cause apparently some people aren't that rich.
[Vibrant General] hazard99:
Ya know I dont really want a new phone. I dont even want the update from them.

I will buy my own ffc and have it put in. I will never see those higher speeds from a 4g phone. What I do think we should have and deserve is the source code for 2.2. Are we not allowed to have it?

And further more how is it that they say they wont release it but they have 2.2 on another phone almost identical to what we have now?
[Vibrant General] phoboye:
With all that being said, what do you expect to get out of this class action lawsuit? Money? Recall? Or maybe to bring awareness to Samsung? Probably not going to happen. A phone is just a phone and will eventually get outdated unfairly, similar to iPods and iTouchs now with camera but similar casing. Its all part of the process. Samsung could easily fix this situation by simply not calling their release "Vibrant Plus." Did we get mad when the Nexus S came out? (nearly identical in hardware, FFC, 2.3)
[Vibrant General] matthewpapa:
Captivate owner here. We feel at the short end of the stick as well, though with AT&T.

Go for the suit. They promised froyo by the end of the year for all USA phones (which in may seemed like ages from then, but ok at least a solid date) and them never delivered.

Maybe this will force them to finally act
[Vibrant General] mmalott:
Best post on this thread!

1. This thread is pure comedy.

2. Why do people on XDA feel the need to attack others personally b/c they dont share the same view?

3. For those who were paying attention, the huge selling point for the Vibrant when it was released was that it was getting Froyo. It was on Samsung website which they have since updated.

4. I don't think this suit will get anywhere but the web activity surrounding this has definitely raised a lot of awareness. If this topic makes it to a high market reporting entity (national newspaper or broadcast news, or high traffic news site) then that's worth it alone.

5. Simply put, this type of business practice has gone on for a long time. Unfair? Yes. Foundation for a class action? Probably not. Remember that the law is usually on the side of a corporation. If it isn't they will beat you to death with lawsuit fatigue. Or if in their interest just compensate you and tell you to go away.

6. Bad publicity. Umm, yes and no. Yes in the eyes of the aware. No to most consumers. Samsung is a multi national corporation who deals not only in the cell phone market but countless other markets. Do you think that you will damage Samsung because very very small percentage of consumers are upset?

7. Last thought. I think it would be more effective if there was a movement started. Basically an Android lock out of sorts where starting with XDA and other popular Android forums, no one purchases Samsung devices. Blogs dont promote it. Etc and so on. I know that wont happen but it will yield better and faster results in my opinion.

8. I'm personally getting kind of tired of this whole technology gets outdated argument. We all know that. There's a difference between outdated hardware and the only reason your device doesnt work is because it was sold to not working (gps). In the case of Froyo, outdated argument works if your trying to get them to update the G1 to Froyo. Now that hardware is outdated! The Galaxy S series is by no means outdated, especially considering they are releasing new phones with very similiar specs and less. Terrible argument.

OT: I can't thank the mod enough for cleaning up threads lately. I haven't visited other XDA sub forums but the Vibrant forum is ridiculously hostile and unproductive except for a small minority.

For those who dont mod their phones or whatever and are the majority of consumers, I think they have the biggest complaint. Their phone doesn't work as advertised and sold to them AND they're expected to keep it for 2 years. Now that's a knife in the back.
[Vibrant General] SamsungVibrant:
A lot can happen.

I for one strongly believe that both Samsung and T-Mobile know that GPS problems that persist are actually hardware based, and I believe they knew this at product launch, and decided to cover it up and release the product anyway. Maybe the class action will bring this out, and Samsung and T-mobile would be in a lot of trouble.

Just the thought of bad publicity may force Samsung to cave in, and release 2.2 sooner than later.

Samsung may be forced to fix/replace the GPS hardware issues. Remember owners bought a phone without a functional GPS for SEVERAL months, and the software fix only partially helped.

All owners could get a gift certificate, probably small amount, but better than nothing. It is the principal that counts, and Samsung needs to learn a lesson that they can't run unethical business practices.

Owners may get a free update to Vibrant 4G

Or owners may get their 2yr contract reduced.

Who knows, A LOT is possible in class action lawsuits.
[Vibrant General] cantIntoCode:
Awesome! About time someone took this further.
[Vibrant General] SamsungVibrant:
OP, include these links on your front page.

I think the OP should include the following links on the front page.

This class action is getting some talk around the Android Community!

http://androidcommunity.com/class-a...ver-lack-of-froyo-update-to-vibrant-20110114/

http://phandroid.com/2011/01/14/tic...-lawsuit-against-samsung-t-mobile-over-froyo/
[Vibrant General] Segnaro:
Doesn't seem like a waste of money to me. Win or lose, Samsung will be embarrassed by all the negative press.

Nobody is gonna want to buy their phones once they hear their support was so bad they got sued over it. :cool:
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
PLease don't post unless you know WTF you're talking about.

Please point me to where the source code is on our vibrants....

what directory is it stored in?

pff

:rolleyes:
[Vibrant General] suchavibrantthang:
i would like tmo to get me outta this 2yr contract. i dont have beef with tmo, but i hate samsung products even more than my tv i spent 1500 on and the frame glue seperated in less than a year.

SAMSUCKS!!! i'll stick with japanese products next time, i learned my lesson with the korean line of crap.
[Vibrant General] HotShotAzn:
Every major company has multiple lawsuits out against them at any given time.

While the OP and everyone else who joins this CAL will be anxiously waiting for updates on the lawsuit, this will be a minor annoyance to Samsung.

All Samsung has to do is release 2.2 and the lawsuit goes away yet you all wasted a ton of money.

GPS? Samsung will tell you the Vibrant has weak GPS. Done.

As far as Samsung "threatening" or being rude to customers - so what?
[Vibrant General] nomadrider123:
This will not be big news nor will it hurt them in the least. Their laywers will have it tied up in court. I believe PPL with the behold2 tried this because they didn't get their up date.
[Vibrant General] Rotaryknight:
You talk about you being a grownup and yet you follow the guy and berate him....LOL what a grown up way, its so childish.

Ive read this entire thread since yesterday when it was posted and I find it funny how many of you give in so easy to the companies.

The people are the one keeping companies in check. If nobody fights back, they will keep doing the same old bull**** as always.

If Micbeast doesnt win, this suit will just kick Samsung and possibly tmobile in the right direction.
[Vibrant General] Wolfrunner6996:
Way to go!! I've been mad as hell about this issue for months now, it's about time that someone tries to get legal action. I know that samsung must have has this upgrade for ages now, otherwise why the hell would they have released a TABLET with 2.2 on it!! come on... seriously? they can release a 7'' screen Galaxy S with 2.2 on it and yet they still need to "test" to make sure it will work?? and not counting that pretty much every other galaxy S in the world got their update..

That's bull. I hope they take you seriously, and hopefully we get the Froyo we have been waiting for because of this. :)
[Vibrant General] :
Unless you can find something in your initial bill of sale that says you are guaranteed any kind of update, this will get dismissed quickly.
[Vibrant General] jrkart99:
Don't have conversations if you aren't prepared to listen and try to understand them. It has nothing to do with the damn code, i know its not stored in a directory or folder, tough guy. The point is that it is a LEAK FROM SOMEWHERE. COULD BE ANYWHERE. WE ALL HAVE SUSPICIONS WHERE ITS COMING FROM. CAN YOU PROVE IT?

NO.

CAN YOU SECURE A WARRANT TO FIND OUT?

NO.

so as far as anybody knows it only exists only on our phones. it is not proof of anything. unless you have just cause to find out where with a search warrant.

WHICH WE STILL DON'T HAVE.

and people's snivelling and lawsuits won't produce one. This whole thing is still premature. Nothing has changed. When it does, I'm on board. til then, lunch time.

Its called reading comprehension, youngster. Try it.
[Vibrant General] mmalott:
I don't think you need anything in writing if a company, organization, or the such INTENTIONALLY misleads you. It is your burden to prove the intent though.
[Vibrant General] DMaverick50:
Good god you're an ass. But your also stupid. The gps doesn't work. Do you understand that? It's defective and samsung hasn't resolved it and they haven't given a decent effort. You're really very stupid. You don't think that firm can't find a similar case as precedent? You don't think a company has sold a defective product, not resolved it, and been successfully sued? Really you're a very, very stupid person. It's embarrassing how out of it you are
[Vibrant General] mes215:
The only way this can hurt Samsung, and get them to pay attention is in the bad publicity it has the potential to generate. The same goes for T-Mobile, make enough noise for everyone to hear you, and they will respond.

I don't think OP has a case, I mean, given that he willingly states that he has rooted his device and installed a custom ROM. That in and of itself is enough for Samsung and T-Mobile to state that he has already broken his warranty and as such, they are no longer required to provide him with any support for his device.

That said, making noise to embarrass a company is a very effective way to get them to pay attention to you, so more power to the OP and any other XDA members that join him.
[Vibrant General] Reefermattness:
Its really funny to me how you xda members who have been running froyo for months now complain about not having froyo.... if froyo was out do you really think you'd be back on bloatware android with rfs file system? Give me a break...
[Vibrant General] jrkart99:
exactly my point, why do we even care, hardly anyone talked about the people who aren't on this site and deserve an upgrade. Why should we care?

either we get a ton of stock noobs to sign on, or all of us revert back to stock and delete this entire website. Then MAYBE you have a case.
[Vibrant General] Segnaro:
We care because of three words: Source ******* code.

We won't get it until Samsung releases Froyo. Plus, as consumers we should always fight for what is rightfully ours and not let companies think they can screw us over.
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
wow you guys are ignorant.....

don't you think IF we had the source code there would me more devloping?

we have froyo, but not AOSP

we have no Vibrant 2.2 oc kernels

I'm not talking about oc kernels from i9000, t959d, etc....

This thread is not about what we have or don't.

It's a matter of principle.

Look at the whole iPhone 4 antenna-gate......

just that this is GPS-gate etc..
[Vibrant General] sridhar618:
And here is proof that they said by the end of the year....http://twitter.com/SamsungMobileUS/status/28030856820

....Rather than froyo i am more miffed at a non working gps out of the box. Thats something on the feature list and not promised list. We can fix it with help from our awesome devs here but thats not the point.
[Vibrant General] t-readyroc:
Another Captivate owner adding my support & hope for a scope expansion.
[Vibrant General] DoralHacker:
More power to ya !

I've been getting the runaround from T-Mobile and Samsung for months now. Its always " We don't have an exact date yet ".
[Vibrant General] swehes:
Article posted

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/1...-lawsuit-for-lack-of-froyo-update-on-vibrant/

And I agree. It is a matter of principle. They promised in according to their twitter that all US Galaxy S phones will have Froyo by the end of the year. That was said the 21st of October of 2010. They should release the source code for Froyo for the said phones if nothing else so that the XDA devs can work their magic. There is a legal obligation to release the code per Open Handset Alliance partnership.
[Vibrant General] got-petrol:
Ill stand in your corner ready to fight my GPS is crap in the uk even on darkys rom
[Vibrant General] swehes:
That is actually correct. I was told that I would have Froyo by the sales guys at the T-mobile store I went to. Also when I was to return the phone within my time limit they told me to hold on to it because the Froyo update would come out that would fix the GPS. So I held on to the phone on their word.
[Vibrant General] daoom:
If anything this might actually get Samsung to realize that these aren't just "buy another one when you're bored" feature phones and that the software aspect is important to the end user. Who knows, is this gets some traction then they might

actually put some effort into maintaining the software and releasing updates.

Or they'll find more convenient to have their lawyers bury it and nothing will change.

Luckily I finally got 2.2 right before x-mas but I'm not holding my breath for an official 2.3 or anything beyond.
[Vibrant General] mmalott:
As anyone thought that it might not be Samsung at all? They've released Froyo for almost every other continent except the United States. Not only that they've release Froyo on various other Samsung phones that aren't Galaxy variations. The only constant here is the 4 major carriers...
[Vibrant General] jpatt:
Oiy, some more ammo. T-mobile unlimited data is throttled back once you pass (can't remember the exact number) 500MB or something like that. They won't tell you upfront when you order and I am sure that it is buried in your terms some where. I call it deceptive.
[Vibrant General] jrkart99:
Interesting comments by Tmo CSR at the bottom of this article. Gives you a clue whats going on at Tmo. atleast people are starting to come forward.

http://www.tmonews.com/2011/01/verizon-cto-calls-out-t-mobile-hspa/