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[Nexus S General] robstunner:
Right but it was still being sold up until a few months ago. The 3gs is still being sold and lacking features too. Video out with 3rd party apps being one that pops out at me.
[Nexus S General] A_Flying_Fox:
Hate or like apple, atleast they cut models off after 2 hardware updates. By the time apple cuts support, its time to move on to the next iphone.

I really hatehow android oem's like to re-release a phone, market it as brandnew, and leave the original customers in th dust, usually a few months after the original.

In this case, its looking like its going to only be 2 months
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
CAN WE PLEASE STOP THIS?

How often does it have to be told? It's probably just the Super Clear LCD version of the Nexus S, the one that will be released in Europe and other countries in Q1 2011. And by Europe, I don't mean the UK (@ bergqvistjl), because they already have the Nexus S.

There is really NO point thinking that the Nexus S will not get updates anymore, because of a slightly different model number that shows up at FCC. @A_Flying_Fox, you don't even substantiate your reply. There is no need of thinking that customers are going to be 'left in the dust' in 2 months, as for the Nexus S at least. The whole point of the Nexus line is that you keep getting updates for a long time, and that you get them fast.

The reason that the Nexus One doesn't have Gingerbread, is because the Nexus S isn't even released yet in most of the world, and they advertise with the fact that Nexus S has Gingerbread exclusively. How can they do that if the Nexus One already has it? Besides, the Nexus One has completely different hardware. The reason that all iPhones get the updates at the same time, is because the hardware is similar.

I have no proof for the things I say here, but I substantiate my opinion better. I hope this will be read, especially since everyone seem to read over the smart replies from people who know where they are talking about

P.S: I've seen someone saying that if the i9023 is a European version, why does it have to go through the FCC? Good question. Probably because there is a shortage of S-AMOLEDs, and they will replace the current Nexus S with the Super Clear LCD version if they run out of stock in the US and UK. Most other countries will get the Super Clear LCD version right away.
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
I can accept a newer phone version having better hardware. What I think is disrespectful is Google software updates being held back from us just for some alterior motive. At least Apple has the respect for its users to continue to support its older phones with updates for at least 2 years and gives updates to everyone on time. With Google's own Nexus developer phones you only get 1 measly software update and after that your an unwanted bastard stepchild who gets put to the back of the line. Its happening to the Nexus One currently and will happen to the Nexus S as soon as the next Nexus phone comes out :mad:
[Nexus S General] :
The 9023 jump is obviously from the infrared pico projector for the desk keyboard.
[Nexus S General] robstunner:
So the people who got their 3g's a few months ago should just pony up and buy a 4 at full price now? Not everyone gets the latest and greatest on release day.
[Nexus S General] ekerazha:
My opinion: I think it isn't an "improved" Nexus S, I think it is the European model (UK excluded), probably with a Super Clean LCD screen instead of the Super AMOLED and Android 2.4 bundled.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
Someone with brains. Thank god.
[Nexus S General] A_Flying_Fox:
No I was saying the exact opposite.

My friend is still kickin with his 3gs which works beautifully.

Its just annoying with no ios4

And with apples pattern of dropping support after two new revisions, its at th end of its life which just so happens to be after 2 years is up.

My friend never wanted the 4 becase he felt there wasn't that much of an incentive to upgrade. But he knows the iphone 5 compared to 3gs is gonna be wayyyy different so he's gonna upgrade later on in august when his thing expires.

Android oems phase you out after 6 months and release the new software with slightly upgraded hardware. Most of he time that sligh bump is something that shoulda been in the previous version.

Actually, I take away OEMs. I'm puttin samsung in there by itself. They milked the crap outta the galaxy s line. Now everyphone that comes out is a "galaxy s phone", which is allllll similar to the first i9000 albeit with the most recent software. (Like the 4.5 inch phone. The only difference is "samoled+" and an extra .5 inches. Oh, and froyo withtouchwiz.)

Atleast when htc and motorola and stuff ditch your phone, its not because of a hardware revision (minus the click xt and droid 2 global...I'm sure the original droid 2 owners were seriously pissed at that)
[Nexus S General] A_Flying_Fox:
Its every android phone :/ they all receive an update and that's it lol.

It really sucks that the n1 was abandoned less tha a year after it came out :/ I don't see the revolutions going on in android with the ns like I did when the n1 came out.

Google pushed the nexus s too early for no reason. The n1 still has perfectly capable hardware.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
The Nexus One isn't abandoned! You have totally no proof for that!

You must be really stupid, or a troll.
[Nexus S General] A_Flying_Fox:
They closed out he forums and stuff related to the n1 on googles site back in likee august. 7 months after the phone came out. They stopped takingsupport questions and such and now allyou have for reference is an archive and xda if you're lucky enough to know about it.

They got their last update in may. Well, technically september, but that was 2.2.1 which was a market fix or something idr
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
Then what is this, huh? Dated Dec 21st 2010, so the 'coming weeks' aren't over yet.
[Nexus S General] A_Flying_Fox:
Its obviously geting 2.3 -_-

Just like the galaxy s is getting 2.2

But just because froyo is coming to galaxy s, can you really say that samsung hasn't abandoned it?

The only reason the n1 doesnthave 2.3 is because the nxus sis out, which someone else stated. But it should've just been the first.

Wht I meant by losing support is that you have no one to complain to about nexus one problems officially. You canteven get the phone anymore.
[Nexus S General] A_Flying_Fox:
Sorry for all the grammer erors -_- the epic keyboard likes to miss keys
[Nexus S General] Rusty!:
You can get the phone all over Europe, and direct from Google.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
1. It shouldn't. They advertise Gingerbread with the Nexus S, as I already mentioned. And since the Nexus S isn't even released yet world wide, the Nexus One doesn't have Gingerbread. Otherwise it would be ahead of the device that actually advertised Gingerbread.

2. If that's true, then I apologize for my rude behaviour. I just can't stand people like... well, people you find a lot of in this thread. Although I do think the Nexus One will also get future updates, probably untill the next Nexus phone, or when the hardware isn't capable of handling the new version.
[Nexus S General] Handymeister:
Hi,

I found this thread by searching the web about the european Nexus S. But I searched by the new I9003. Some websites disclain, that this would come as Nexus S to europe.

But the I9023 can't be the european Nexus S too...

Bye

Handymeister
[Nexus S General] A_Flying_Fox:
1) I know! And I'm saying it shouldn't have been that way there was no ned for the nexus s this early, and for it to be replaced so soon with a new model that just made it through the fcc is an even stupider move. I know its all speculation at thispoint, but if you look at samsung, its entirely believable that they would make a new phone just to put autofocus and 2.4. Also, new screen types don't require fcc approval...the Evo ,desire, and a fewmidrange htc phones like thelegend I think all had to switch to super lcd because of amoled shortages and they never went throug a whole new fcc, bluetooth, and wifi certification. If google really allows samsung to do tht, then android is doomed for phones because the cycle clearly ain't gonna let up no time soon.

Why do you think verizon took away its early upgrade thing? Because so many phones are coming out that are minorimprovements that people keep upgrading early costing verizon moneys for subsidizing.

2. Don't worry. I understand. You can't stand people who belittle your product :p but trust me that's not what I'm doing. I may not own a nexus s, but I will still be just as angry as any nexus s owner if samsung goes through with this because then it shows where the state of the android smartphone is heading :/
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
I do not own a Nexus S :), to clear up that rumor. But I don't understand why a Nexus S owner should worry if it is known that there will be a Super Clear LCD version of the Nexus S. A slightly different model number for a different display isn't that odd. So I don't understand what you mean with 'samsung goes through with this'.

I made this easy step-by-step guide, for anyone who doesn't know what this i9023 device is.

1. Look up the model number of the US and the UK Nexus S. Find out that it is the i9020.

2. Realise that there are other countries besides the US and the UK, and that those countries also want a Nexus S.

3. Realise that there is a shortage of S-AMOLED displays, and that because of that, most of the world will get a Super Clear LCD version.

4. Make the connection between the fact that most countries will get a Super Clear LCD, and the slightly different model number.

5. Find out that the i9023 is just the model number for the Super Clear LCD version.

Really easy. Just use your brains.
[Nexus S General] RogerPodacter:
what difference does it make if the nexus one gets gingerbread before the world gets the nexus s? its not like the nexus one is still for sale in all these same markets as the nexus s. people are still forced to purchase a nexus s if they want gingerbread, because no nexus ones are for sale anywhere.

and nobody with a nexus one is going to go buy a nexus s just for gingerbread. they will buy the nexus s if they like it, and if not they will stick with the nexus one no matter what software the S had on it. these phones arent competing in ANY way, shape or form.

anyway my opinion is the nexus one software is still being worked on, and will be out soon. google wouldnt make an announcement saying "coming in a few weeks" if they had some alterior motive. instead they would have kept their mouth shut. but they didnt, because there is no alterior motive, because the software is just being cleaned up i'm sure:D.
[Nexus S General] lynx_deb:
Today i've seen an i9023 (i think that's a proto). The display seems identical to the i9020 (Nexus S). It runs Gingerbread built from source (so no 2.4, but may be because isn't the final version) without Gapps.. also this phone seems to have the same "menu light problem" like the photos on the wild :)

on the boot there is the Google logo in gray with unlock padlock, and the animation is the same of the emulator (not the X with the four color)

the light came up after you press the touchbotton, otherwise it's always off.. hope to play with this proto tomorrow..

may be try to put CM7 alpha on it, because with the "stock fw" it's useless :)
[Nexus S General] Loggerhead87:
You guys are still talking about this? At least change the thread title to something a little more constrictive, lol.
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
like

"OMG a Unicorn"
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
Sheesh, this forum needs an IGNORE THREAD button. I'd love to never see this again, but it keeps floating to the top of the listings. LOL

This thread should die...you guys are never going to convince each other one way or the other, and all the Apple comparisons are meaningless, one company that controls both hardware and software on every phone vs one company that doesn't even make hardware. It's not even Apple's and oranges... :rolleyes:
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
Ok, to once and for all stop this thread, read this. It's in Dutch, I know. It says that they sell the Nexus S i9023 Black Silver, that it will be released (here in the Netherlands) in 7 weeks, and if you look at the specifications, it says TFT display. It also says Dutch language and menu's.

On the same site, they already sell the US version (imported) for a high price. So there is a difference.

I hope this clear things up.
[Nexus S General] ekerazha:
Deze versie van de Google Nexus S (i9023) beschikt over een

Super Clear LCD

touchscreen. :)
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
Ah, you can read dutch? Translated it would be 'This version of the Google Nexus S (i9023) features a Super Clear LCD touchscreen.

Is that evidence enough? There is no need of saying that Google will let current Nexus S users down, just because the Super Clear LCD version will be released in March.
[Nexus S General] :
There's something lost in translation there it should read:

Super Holographic Clear LCD
[Nexus S General] Paul22000:
Do you work at Google?

How do you know this?
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
+1000, same goes for the Nexus Line thread.
[Nexus S General] ekerazha:
Nexus S in Europe

- Released 3 months later

- €500 ($670) or €550 ($740)

- Brand? Updates come later

- We are idiots who deserve a Nexus S without Super AMOLED screen

- Best Buy doesn't deliver outside USA, Carphone Warehouse doesn't accept non-UK credit cards

= FAIL

Google marketing = FAIL

Me complaining = FAIL
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
Check this out guys

Cant believe such a "dont be evil" and "open" company like Google would act like a$$holes and hold back a Gingerbread update from the original Nexus phone while an company like Apple would make sure that all of its users are able to have the option to update on time if they want to. Once the next Nexus phone comes out next year Google will be doing the same thing to the Nexus S owners and making them wait months for updates as well :mad:

The whole reason we bought the Nexus line is because we were tired of carrier games and not getting updates months late so we bought a phone to get updates directly from Google and they are now doing the exact same thing to the Nexus One that we were trying to avoid!!! :mad:
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
I've still not seen anything other than frustrated angry rumors to suggest that Google is intentionally holding back 2.3 from any device at all, let alone from the Nexus 1 as part of some "do evil" strategy.
[Nexus S General] :
Comparing revisions between two different development groups, is to put it bluntly, retarded.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
How often does it have to be said? The Nexus S isn't even released yet in the whole world. Besides, hardware is not the same in the Nexus One as it is in the Nexus S. All iPhone's have similar hardware.

Oh, and can you open another thread if you want to share your anger with us? This thread's question, what the i9023 is, is answered. So I don't know why people want to talk about the Nexus One here. Maybe you should go the Nexus One forum.

By the way, Google is evil and wants to kill your cat.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
i9023 Nexus S

I think it is time for a separate thread about the i9023 Nexus S. The majority here is probably from the US, but I keep seeing flags from European countries at this forum.

So what is this i9023 Nexus S? A new and improved Nexus S? There were many speculations on the internet, like a 4G version, just a new Nexus or an improved Nexus S. I for one always thought that it would be the Super Clear LCD version of the Nexus S. Because of the shortage of Super AMOLED's, Google announced that most other countries besides the US and the UK would get a Super Clear LCD version: a Super LCD that's supposed to have some of the advantages of Super AMOLED, like a better viewing angle. It is a lot better than most Super LCD's, as you can tell if you look at the Wave II, the only existing smartphone that has the same display.

Most people on the internet still don't know that the i9023 is just the Super Clear LCD Nexus S, and are afraid that it will be a new Nexus and that Google will let the current Nexus S users in the dust. I found an offer at Belsimpel.nl, a Dutch webshop. It says it is selling the Google Nexus S i9023 Black Silver, and in description they are talking about the Super Clear LCD. Price: 500 euro. Release date in the Netherlands: March (7 weeks). I've asked them a question about the 'Black Silver', on which they answered that the device looks exactly the same as the normal Nexus S. Anyway, Belsimpel.nl also sells the US version of the Nexus S, with English menu's, Super AMOLED and a ridiculously high price, for anyone who don't want to wait 'till March. So there is a difference.

I'm really looking forward to March, because I'm totally in love with the Super Clear LCD. It looks gorgeous on the Wave II, and I think it is definitely better than Super AMOLED. Before we start a display war: I do like the colour saturation and the deep blacks of Super AMOLED, but I just prefer the advantages of Super Clear LCD.

So here you can talk about the i9023 Nexus S, the version most other countries will get. Talk about release dates in your countries, prices, and what you like about the display!
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
Apparently the moderator disagreed... ;)
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
The moderator is obviously from the US. I think he didn't even read my thread, he just thought 'stupid Androyed, we already have a thread about the i9023'.

Does it hurt to make a tiny little thread so that us non-English can talk about their Nexus S's, like release dates and prices? I'm not asking for a whole forum... Meh.

At least get rid of the 'You have got to be kidding me...', moderator?
[Nexus S General] xLiljohnCx:
So your saying a new nexus s coming out? Or just a update cuz I just bought my nexus s n I would be mad if it comes out! >:|
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
Lol. You are a little bit late. We've had a 20 page long discussion about this. Read this
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
I happen to agree with you; a productive thread discussing stuff like you mention would be nice rather than this angry, frustration-filled thread one would be nice for you Europeans (assuming the i9023 is real and is a Nexus S).

Why not send a PM to theimpaler747 (I think that's his name); he's the moderator here. State your case and ask him to reconsider...
[Nexus S General] robstunner:
Quoted for truth. All hail nexus s!
[Nexus S General] sonnysekhon:
Very strong evidence here that the Nexus S is coming to AT&T in March.

The CEO of a carrier (Mobilicity) will not spread rumors. If the Nexus S is coming to Rogers, Telus and Bell, it will come to AT&T as well as they use the same bands. The i9023 may very well be this and that's the reason they had to pass FCC.

This makes sense as Google does not want to limit the Gingerbread experience to just one carrier.
[Nexus S General] RogerPodacter:
Wow how did this go unnoticed for so long? Kinda makes me believe it, the nexus s will be coming with ATT 3g bands in march. And why not, too many other Canadian carriers are left out market share if they do not release a second version.
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
Ouch, that one will actually sting me a bit. I'd much rather have an AT&T Nexus S than a T-Mobile. I really find AT&T service to be better here in Los Angeles. I only put up with T-Mobile, which isn't horrible, but isn't great, because they have the best Android phones...

I think I'd buy a GalaxyS 2 first, though, before a different band NS.

The i9023 doesn't sound like an AT&T phone, though. It didn't have AT&T 3G/UMTS data bands in the testing reports listed earlier, and AT&T bands aren't common in Europe. I thought the consensus here was that the i9023 was a European phone...
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
Yes, the one with Super Clear LCD. So discussing about what the i9023 makes no sense. But I agree, there could be a AT&T Nexus S. It just won't be the i9023...
[Nexus S General] :
It will be another model number, the i9023 has the same band setup as the current Nexus S. It's all in the FCC documents.
[Nexus S General] RogerPodacter:
unless it was purposely done to throw everybody off? i'm trying to remember, the nexus one came out with an ATT version very unexpectedly. did they do a similar tomfoolery back then? i thought we'd have FCC testing docs to alert us the ATT nexus one was coming, but i remember none of that. maybe this is an ATT nexus S version in the same way?
[Nexus S General] :
Nah, the fcc testing for the att came out right before release/announcement as well. Companies usually time the two things together. Look at the verizon iphone, the fcc documents were released like...an hour after the presser.

Most companies ask for confidentiality releases when they submit the required FCC testing to the fcc.

The testing for the 9023 does not test for att compatible bands.

January 29th 2010 : http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/29/nexus-one-for-atandts-3g-bands-likely-in-the-works/

And the aborted Verizon one =(

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/nexus-one-hits-fcc-again-this-time-in-cdma-trim/
[Nexus S General] Matt001:
looking at the specs, the i9023 appears to be 1mm thicker and 1mm taller than the i9020...

I know, it's preposterous =O
[Nexus S General] :
It's for two extra processors.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
It is because of the display technology. Super AMOLED uses less layers than Super Clear LCD.
[Nexus S General] :
So you're saying that 9023 is going to have two screens!

Awesome.
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
Alright, that one made me laugh.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
Yes, one at the front and one at the back. Didn't you know?
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
I'm not sure what the hubbub is all about. Nexus devices receive updates from Google and not Samsung so if there was a 2.4 coming out we'd get it for sure.
[Nexus S General] Standfest:
Hey guys, today I've got new Nexus S from ebay. It is GT-i9023. Could someone tell me 100% what version of screen I've? Super AMOLED or Super LCD?! Or tell me how do I check this.
[Nexus S General] DopyG:
Wow.

Way to beat a dead horse

Nah I'm just screwing with you :D

Try look in the sticky post with the title:

Nexus S Hardware Model variants

I'll spare you the time and hassle:
[Nexus S General] Standfest:
DopyG

Thank you very much.
[Nexus S General] p00kienrayray:
Slcd my dude.
[Nexus S General] :
lol, what are you on?
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
I'm on crack(flashers)!

I gave justification for that statement in my other post. Do you think G2 owners are going to dump their phones to pick one up that can handle 21Mbps? Not a change because they aren't even close to maxing out their 14Mbps cap yet. Hell they can barely max out the 7Mbps limit we have.

At CES I was playing with the HTC thunderbolt and it could load pages a fraction of a second faster than the NS.
[Nexus S General] Menace II Society:
What? How do you know that this one isn't Google as well? You're assuming that Samsung will release a Nexus phone when that is a Google branding. I'm sure this would be all Google still. The Nexus S we have now has AWS for T-Mobile bands and we don't have T-Mobile bloatware all over it.
[Nexus S General] daCalifa:
I really really don't want to believe that Google would release a new Nexus (S) model with more/better features than the device they released barely less than a month ago. Thats just evil

Hoping its just a new color...:confused:
[Nexus S General] Menace II Society:
That's mostly because of the network which is why they push out low speeds. I have a G2, I know. And us not being able to hit them RIGHT NOW doesn't mean we can't want it. Whenever T-Mobile fixes their network to be able to actually push out HSPA+ speeds then we can have a device ready to take it.
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
I'm saying it won't be a Nexus phone, it will be a Samsung phone that is almost identical to the Nexus S, like the HTC Desire and Nexus One. Google will not release another Nexus phone that is almost identical to the Nexus S. That wouldn't make any sense, but I suppose anything is possible.