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[EVO 4G General] LargePrime:
I call BS.

1) Legally named 'PCS' commonly called CDMA devices have NEVER been regulated as to changing ESN's. Only SIM devices have. And ESN modification of such devices was repealed in 2003.

Relevant sections are Title 47 CFR 22.919,

But PCS devices are Title 47 CFR 24

Also 47 CFR 22.919 was total repealed

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2002/pdf/02-31382.pdf

page 6 (77180) left column bottom.

Readers may Go HERE and select Title 47. Then the two sections as they wish.

2) A device has a licence for the system it works on (PCS or GSM), not for a network owner (SPRINT, VERIZION, ect.). If one moves a device from one network provider to another the device still uses the same licensed frequencies, else it would not work.

Also note virtually all the PCS devices can be moved to MetroPCS. That is its buisness model. If it was illegal then this company is committing millions of frauds a year. It is not illegal, and this company and others are not commuting frauds.

3) You are exactly correct about modifying RF (Radio Frequency) behavior of equipment. But this is not that! Modding RF behavior is what making adding 'antenna boosters' to a phone illegal. But they do not work, so they are legal, however fraudulent, to sell.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
I dont get why people keep talking about the bandwidth with iphones when the last I checked Android phones use more bandwidth than Iphones do. Now if you mean with sheer numbers being added to the network then that makes sense because if Sprint DID get the iphone I have no doubt itd probably become the highest selling phone Sprint has had within a matter of weeks if not sooner.
[EVO 4G General] IMiLL102911:
But more subscribers means more revenue so they could always add to the infrastructure.
[EVO 4G General] metalhed32:
no, theyre just witing to release a newer iphone in 3 months with 4G
[EVO 4G General] dzuchowski:
Sprint said that premium 3g devices will be getting the fee as well. I bet phones such as android and windows mobile windows phone 7 will have it.
[EVO 4G General] Tyzing:
I've seen it mentioned on here but dont think it's getting the attention it deserves. Apple releases their new products June'ish every year. There is little doubt in my mind this is a classic bait and switch where they released this "because the users wanted it now" when in all reality it was to get a ton of people hooked now only to have to upgrade at full price in June when the i5 comes out.

IMO the i5 will be released on Sprint as well b/c the design changes for VZ's iPhone with the LTE antenna which will be swapped out for a wimax antenna.

Anyone else see this happening? I dont think it was by chance that the made sure they said it was a non-exclusive deal with VZ.
[EVO 4G General] splmonster:
Could not disagree with you more.. Sprint could get away with those prices for plans. Why? How is this device any different from a high end Android device? Other then brand name... As for infrastructure? Well good argument if Sprint did not roam over 50% of it's network on Verizon towers. According to recent maps.. Both Sprint and Verizon have the most 3G in the country for all 4 major carriers. Not financially stable could be the best argument.. However.. A outright Evo is about the same cost as a outright iPhone. So again, they could do it easily.
[EVO 4G General] Tipharet:
No offense but that something seems to be coming out of your ass.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
I wouldn't mind an iphone coming to sprint. Lets face it...sprint's lineup of phones are nothing to cheer about...the only phone I'm proud to own from sprint was the HTC EVO..it seems like every other carriers have a full lineup of killer phones while sprint just have like 1-3 to choose from.
[EVO 4G General] mbaseball3:
And all this from the water cooler.

Sent from my Evo
[EVO 4G General] spiicytuna:
If they do, they do. Some of us android users are for life while others are just faking it until something "better" come along. It certainly would help Sprints bottom line if they were able to get it.

Sent on the go from my HTC EVO
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
So my guess is you carry three phones with you at all times? Whats the point in 5 Droids when I can have 1 Evo?
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
Perhaps but in my office two people that are not into hacking their phone and I have told about xda. Actually want android phones and both are on Verizon
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
I get that joke lol
[EVO 4G General] kc_sheets:
they are not releasing a iphone on sprint at this meeting, I don't think sprint will release a iphone until it is capable of 4g and then they might try to get first dibs

I don't understand all the hoopla about the iphones don't own and and wont due to the fact the os is built for kids and ceo is a tard I don't believe in apple tax and wont pay it. i know at least 6 people personally that have droids now after having iphones. they told me it was time to put childish thing down and haven't looked back.

when i see people tout a iphone i giggle inside think aww so cute there not smart enough for a real phone but they think they are!
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
are you stupid? is having competition a bad thing? are you just a sprint or evo fanboy? I own an evo, but I wouldn't mind having more high-end choices to choose from besides the evo and the epic. It would help lower prices on these phones if there were some kind of competition within sprint.
[EVO 4G General] kc_exactly:
I like android but...

I like open source but if I want a phone that is up to date and actually gets speedy updates you might switch. Look at the people who bought the Epic. Where is their froyo? People who bought iphones 3 years ago get updated. Google really needs to start skipping the carriers and manufactures. Fragmentation seems to be the new reality.

The only hope for speedy updates is the exploits of people like cyanogen. Thank god they care. No one else seems to.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
If Google did that, expect them (the manufacturers) to focus a lot more on WP7. Android has become pretty successful on it's own but manufacturers/carriers love it because they can modify to differentiate it and/or insert a bunch of monetizing systems/bloat to it. If you can't do that you might as well pay the 5 or so dollars per handset and get complete support from Microsoft. Might even be cheaper than hiring a bunch of people to develop the extra software and drivers for Android.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I guess I'm stupid for not seeing the benefit in having ten phones that can do the same thing. Options are good for clothes and food, televisions, etc. Right now all phones strive to do the same thing, be a mini computer. I prefer my carrier focus on one super phone than bring out 5 of the same phones that get updated due to popularity. We all know the success on that.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
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[EVO 4G General] I[E:
I highly doubt that the iPhone will be on Sprint's network anytime soon.

http://twitter.com/#!/sprint/status/24956118409150464
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
Exactly, give me a few excellent phones over many good/ok phones.

The EVO & Epic were prime examples of this vs Verizion's Droid X, Droid 2, R2D2 Droid 2, Droid Global 2, Droid Incredible, Galaxy Fascinate, Galaxy Continuum, etc.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Some of you people sound almost as stupid as those iphone fanboys that think there's no need for more than one phone per year. Funny thing is, all of those Verizon phones you listed ARE SELLING because there are people out there that prefer one over the other. NOT EVERYONE wants a 4.3 inch screen, not everyone wants a keyboard. That eliminates the only two decent phones that Sprint has. Its this kind of thinking thats exactly why Verizon gains new customers every quarter and Sprint loses.

And seriously, the Droid X, Droid 2, Incredible, Fascinate were only "ok" phones while the Evo and the Epic were excellent? SMH...its a good thing some of you dont operate a business.
[EVO 4G General] LoungeLizard:
C'mon down to the cellar, I've got a whole freezer full of popcicles
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Jackpot!
[EVO 4G General] MkVsTheWorld:
All Sprint would need to do is the same thing Verizon Wireless did, allow all CDMA phones to be ran on its network (except for foreign CDMA phones). Then Sprint customers could buy the iphone from Apple, eBay, etc. and activate it with Sprint. You would need to jailbreak/unlock it I bet.
[EVO 4G General] redsoxfan320:
Except why would sprint want you to have another way to get phones instead of from them and ebay, which phones on ebay are still from sprint.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
EVO users are notoriously the worse Android fanboys there are. Go to any Android site and then look at the comments when a new/great Android phone is released, and you'll see what I mean. Ironically this has a lot to do with the fact that Sprint has very little choice. When you have only 1-2 good phones to choose from it's more likely that you'll have a group of users with a deeper emotional attachment to it -- "No other newer/better choices? **** that I don't care, my phone is the best."
[EVO 4G General] Drewmungus:
They would save a ton of money if they allowed other phones. Think about it you paid $200 for your evo, thats not the full price. Sprint pretty much ate all the money they they knocked off your phone
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
I have an evo and I agree totally. The evo has been good to me and all but I never keep phones long. As a matter of fact ive never had a smart phone even a year over the past 4 years. When something new comes out, I buy it. The fact that we dont have anything else to choose from plainly SUCKS.
[EVO 4G General] tbgreen89:
I think the iphone going to verizon just may hurt AT&T.. Iphone on a better carrier? Hmm... AT&T is horrible... i had an iphone 3gs on at&t before i saw the light with Sprint and my Evo :) ! Expensive and service was a joke. Now the iphone on sprint and verizon... goodbye at&t! haha
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
Nope, Motorola Droid fanboys was the EVO community x 2, but that would be the case for any good phone that's out. I tend to ignore the EVO and Epic fanboys, because Sprint finally have two phones that they could fanboy about. That and because I had them before you, so why are you trying to argue with me about them? Speaking of phone selection, I've said it for years if Sprint have a killer phone selection, the talks of them struggling wouldn't exist. People forget that Sprint and AT&T were neck in neck before the iphone. Regardless of having 4 or 5 phones that do the same, you, the customers have choices. Money is not the issue on why Sprint selection is limited, it's their stance on it. They have the right ideas, with more on the way. You have carriers who copying the ideas Sprint came out with. It's just the lineup that needs work. Motorola wants to add high end phones to your carrier, but again, it's up to Sprint to make it happen.

I'm going to post in the Atrix and Bionic section more, but the EVO section will always be the one I pay attention to the most =) Until the successor comes out.
[EVO 4G General] mykenyc:
Considering this, i think the point of this thread is irrelevant. Now hoping for a HTC EVO 2 and not a almost 1 year old iPhone 4.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
That may have been the case then but I can assure you that the EVO users are the worse offenders now. It's actually kind of embarrassing (which I admit is a strange thing to say).

Nobody denies the value of Sprint, it's why a lot of us have stuck with them for so long. Their phone selection has always just been limited. I don't think it bothers the average user as much as people here think, after all, there''s still "regular" people fantasying about getting the EVO. But it's the tech user that (basically us) it hurts. Back in April I knew how aged the first gen Snapdragon was going to be on the EVO's first day, but come June it was either that or the Epic. The Epic was always more powerful but it was a... Samsung. If it wasn't for CM's announcement of support I would have chosen to just wait for the Fall in hopes of something better, and If I had, man, that would have been a disappointing wait for nothing.

The axing of the Nexus One was also a low point on my view of Sprint. A phone like that early in 2010 would have made things a lot better.
[EVO 4G General] Nrre:
obviously Android will stop being made and google will go out of business due to the raging success the iphone4 will have on sprint :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
A lot of people tend to think that this iphone on Verizon isnt going to have an affect on Android sales. But I just want to point out that in the US, 55% of all Android sales comes through Verizon.
[EVO 4G General] splmonster:
Can't agree, because every forum I have ever been to. The Galaxy S phones have the worst fanboys, even some times being worse then iPhone fanboys. I have never been more happy to be apart of such a helpful and fun community like the Evo community. That's based on 5 different big forums for Android. Most people i'm around are pretty unbiased, and know that the Evo is a great device but by no means the best spec wise.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10423705&postcount=18

I could sit here post thread after thread of people talking out there ass like that post, but by the time i finish, evo 2 will be out.
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
verizon is good, but with so many people are on their network eating up everyones bandwidth. I'll be at bars/or what not with friends and they get no coverage in high population areas.

Pretty sad when I let friends tether to my evo cause their vzw phone can not get through

not as sad but funny when my buddy with a iphone 4 has to use me to use his phone
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I think you lost that fight. The iPhone is old and outdated and until 5 comes out, it's a thing if the past. Until Apple allows adobe flash (never) and their browser converts all flash perfectly, it's a waste.

Verizon will give it a hotspot though... Hah
[EVO 4G General] chevyman46933:
http://www.brighthand.com/default.a...Sprint+Microsoft+Windows+Phone+7+Release+Date
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
You must live in the backwoods somewhere. VZW is better than Sprint across the board in Atlanta from coverage to data speeds. And there are almost 6 million people in the Atlanta metro area.
[EVO 4G General] splmonster:
You seem to have started that argument, so I will not take your side on that one. You seem to show Pro-Apple thoughts, I don't see why your at this forum if that's the case.
[EVO 4G General] Bigjim1488:
If it helps sprint thats fine. I could care less, I had an iphone and love android phones much more. I am past that stage and not looking back :D
[EVO 4G General] Bigjim1488:
I believe it's called "Trolling" lmao :D

Damn trolls
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
It's not the platform that's the issue for me, I like Ios. It's actually a very flexible system. My issue is the lack of Flash 10.1 support, and since Steve Jobs has it out for Adobe, I'm thinking we'll never see true flash 10.1 support on Ios when it's more than capable of handling it!
[EVO 4G General] ajd2416:
Your signature is my ringtone!

Sent from my precious Mynion Eva
[EVO 4G General] HiddenKnight:
Droids. I hate how people say that droids are all different. I'm so agitated when people say this, Sprint has several "droids" on its network. Duh, they are called ANDdroids. Droid is basically a gimmick to get you to buy the damn thing for verizon. All they are doing is stamping the same phone as all other HTC's, or motorolas do. They are called androids. sorry if i seem like i'm coming of the handle. but come one guys, dont you hate people asking you, "oh well...is that a droid?" then you have to explain the similarities. Thats why Verizon is so stupid.

It's kinda like saying droids are the best phones when they basically match their sister phones. It's all ANDROID. Only difference is included hardware.

Am i wrong?

god, people need to get this across their mind, its stupid sh!t, not intended for the poster, just it bugs me guys.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
T

What's your point? Seriously your almost as bad as the fanboys lul
[EVO 4G General] blakeboys:
Tell mE how you really feel... jk I completely agree Verizon is completely redictulous .
[EVO 4G General] JoeLithium:
Android is Android is Android.

The difference is in the hardware, and the UI, but it's Android all the same.

The UI can be changed.

bmxer is tottally correct.

People don't seem to understand exactly how android works.

ALSO: fun fact. Any company that wants to call their phone a "Droid" needs to pay royalties to LucasFilm LTD.

Turns out they own the term Droid from star Wars.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
yea bro, i lost the fight against trolls. Even if iphone is "outdated" its still a hell lot faster then evo at the moment. people are just retarded and dont know what they are talking about. The iphone in the current state IS faster then 99% of android phones on the market (not talking about bionic and all the other dual cores that were shown at ces since they aren't on the market yet). Yes its mainly because apple only has to develop for 1 hardware, but that doesn't matter. Speed is speed, and evo just doesn't cut it when you compare it to the iphone.

Pro-apple thoughts? i merely stated that the iphone was better in speed then the evo, as well as well developed then evo. Yes evo does have its pros, but if you are talking about overall speed and user experience, iphone wins it hands down.

So apparently when I admit problems with the phone that I own, that means I'm being a fan boy. Awesome logic bro.

How about you guys actually look at the spec sheet first, compare it, and then grab both phones in your hand and compare it. Don't even look at the network speeds because thats not even the phone, thats just at&t's fault.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
I have an evo and I agree for the most part. Just like with the video and camera. It's not even close how much better theirs is. That's something HTC DEFINITELY needs to focus on going forward.
[EVO 4G General] treckin:
Good luck to anyone that has verizon...

If you thought SPRINT was expensive rofl at VZN.

And afaik Sprint has a faster network, almost always has. Vzn has carried more traffic.

If i remember correctly Sprint is associated with an old railroad company, and therefor had access to FO cables running under their tracks. So VZN buys bandwidth on sprint ground network, SPT buys time on VZNs extensive wireless network.

Speeds at any given point on the ground are completely variable though. For example, I first started heavily using Sprints EVDO network in CA's central valley. There i would be pissed if i couldnt get 4mb/s speed tesy. I would play counterstrike, torrent, browse, DL windows 7, etc via tether with my ppc6700 and 6800.

I recently moved to Berkeley, which is 5 mi from oakland/san franciso, and i cant get past 1mb/s. The central valley has 4g now, and my area just got it (although i have yet to find a signal gay).

You should really just have sprint because they are cheap and manipulatable. They have good handsets, always have. Idk why people think they havent, must be crying about lack of Iphone. QQ somewhere else...
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
So apparently when I admit problems with the phone that I own, that means I'm being a fan boy. Awesome logic bro.

How about you guys actually look at the spec sheet first, compare it, and then grab both phones in your hand and compare it. Don't even look at the network speeds because thats not even the phone, thats just at&t's

No no, I agree with everything you have said I would have an iphone right now if I could in fact but some of these people on here are just HUGE fanboys and its not worth trying to argue and convince them what I meant was you were kind of rambling but I get it no harm no foul man! Peace
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
LOL know you know how I feel lol, I have many gripes with the EVO I own but I'm a fanboi by some people's view. Its a great phone to power through a yearly upgrade. Once it's up, I'm onto whats better.

Love it, hate it, tolerate it = You can't win, don't try. :rolleyes::p

Back to topic, it seems just like a matter of when. I'm sure it'll be this year but I highly doubt it'll be the iPhone 4.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Sprints data USED to be fast, but the keyword is used to be for me. Every other day I see threads on here from people complaining about how their data speeds have slowed which is the same situation for me. And as ive said countless times before, not everyone is totally concerned about the price. There are always people that are willing to pay more for a better product and I think the fact that Verizon is constantly gaining customers shows that.

As far as the handsets thing goes, before the Evo and Epic came along I dont agree with that AT ALL. The best phones that I can remember them having other carriers had too. Touch pro/pro 2, the pre was a huge fail, what else was there? Aside from the iphone its been proven that variety is going to give you better success. Look at Android right now... some people say the Evo and the Epic are enough. And true enough, the Evo sold really well. But at the same time, Verizon has a ton of androids and they also sell over 50% of ALL of the Android phones sold in the US. If they only had the Droid X and the Droid that wouldnt be the case. And I find it funny that people even make that argument considering variety is the exact reason that Android has grown so much.
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
What you have to remember is that Verizon can

afford

to do this. Not to mention it is a lot of money for current customers to pay VZW for the smartphone ETF unless you wait it out (http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...GREEMENT&jspName=footer/customerAgreement.jsp ) but why when you can just upgrade on VZW, they're locked in even more now, given the early upgrade is gone. (Slightly OT) Compare them to T-Mobile, who share the same # variety of Androids but look at the higher quality of the Verizon Android line-up vs T-Mobile's. Look at the cost of Verizon service too & the network size in this Carrier #1 vs #4.

Carrier #2 is struggling with network infastructure & with no iPhone exclusivity, plus they need to make a few friends to form a desprate swing into the lineup. (Hello Atrix/Inspire etc.)

So if your'e number #3, with less while building up a 4G network, low prices, faster upgrades, still expanding 3G, Tower enhancement plans & looking to bring a bang product; you can't pull a T-Mobile & end up with a variety of crap here & there (The HTC G2 would be a star here, even over the MT4G). If Sprint was in a better position, they could pull a VZW... Maybe. (Another crap reason I doubt that new iPhone).

If a carrier had its way, it'd have every cool phone it can control, available on its network.

At the end of the day we all look at the phone we own now, on that network. If the other option/selection was really worth it to any of us, we'd all be there (ETF fee or OOC), already there or forever waiting/drooling for the next best thing (or that fruit phone _#_) where the grass always grows greener & the apples redder.:p
[EVO 4G General] treckin:
You said all the same things over and over again! Trolls!
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Why do people hate when others call androids droid? Its like calling steven steve or david dave. Its just a nickname.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Yes cause the .1 millisecond makes a huge difference. The iPhones browser is still slower. Do you think I care that my apps open 1/18th of a second slower? Neither does anyone else anymore. Android still brings a lot more to the table than the iPhone currently does, including download speeds, afterall, most people with smartphones get them for the browser and apps, not the application opening speed.