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[Nexus S General] robstunner:
Agreed. Ill be furious too, but this is all complete speculation at this point. I'd say its a new color or slcd. Maybe they'll sell a new color in Canada to their aws networks?
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
Correct. Who knows when that will be, but when it does happen it will allow us NS owners to max ours out to 7Mbps. I'm not sure what you are getting on yours now but that will more than double my speed. I'm happy with that for the next 8 months until I buy the next Nexus phone.
[Nexus S General] Smokexz:
I am so... I just hope this is an SLCD screen or different colour

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] dinan:
Would be annoying... but if it has an amoled plus screen I'd be all over it... **** pentile matrix
[Nexus S General] wangjt:
I don't know how Samsung can hold back 2.3 from the Nexus One when

1) Google is the one that releases OTA updates on that phone and

2) Nexus One wasn't built by Samsung. HTC manufactured it.

Samsung is not going to hold back 2.4 from the Nexus S to help Nexus S Plus. Google is the one that controls the OTA updates... not Samsung. If anything, it would be Google holding back the update.

As for the Vibrant for the sale of the Vibrant Plus, that's all speculation.

I don't see how updating the original vibrant to 2.2 will cause anyone to pick the original vibrant over the vibrant plus. If they both have the same android OS version, the vibrant plus will still the better phone spec wise. There's no competition between the two since the vibrant plus is superior in every way.
[Nexus S General] Menace II Society:
I agree.

All I know is I have about 4 days (technically 3) to get this refund. I really don't want to have to get it and find out that it's really a Vibrant 4G. Although the picture is in the shape of a Nexus S.
[Nexus S General] rashad1:
Damn, so many cry babies in this thread. If your Nexus is good enough for you today, why wouldn't it be a few days, weeks, months from now. No one is putting a gun to your head forcing you to buy a slightly improved phone.
[Nexus S General] mcp2009:
I'm with you on this. Same thing that happened when I got my Nexus One then the desire came out, same phone slightly different features nothing major enough to switch
[Nexus S General] Menace II Society:
The original Vibrant is running Eclair (2.1) not Froyo. Samsung hasn't made a Froyo push to the Vibrant yet. Probably because of the Vibrant Plus.
[Nexus S General] Joshfu13:
my 30 day return policy window is slowly closing in... I hope these shennanigans are figured out soon.
[Nexus S General] wangjt:
Yes I know that. I never said it had Froyo.
[Nexus S General] jlevy73:
The FCC doesn't require new filings for minor changes so I'm quite curious to know what this really is because at the moment it's speculation. If it it a Nexus S+ I'll fire bomb Samsung's HQ's :)

Even if it's just the addition of full HSPA+ support I'd be pissed because I live in a very strong HSPA+ area (Los Angeles). When I was playing with MT4G at Best Buy before deciding to pick up the NS I was getting DL speeds of 9-11mb. Ok, I got 11 once and mostly 9 but still, I'd take it.
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
I'm sure the HTC Desire had a separate filing than N1 and there were very minor changes for that.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
If this truly is a Nexus S+ then developers can and most likely will easily port whatever new Android iteration is released over - sometimes which run better and are more feature-rich than stock.

Some of you may have read my other posts in other threads, but I'm beginning to reevaluate the value of the Nexus line (and to a lesser degree, the Android experience in general). Maybe you're a developer, and of course people have different preferences so I cannot say what's the right phone for who, but I'm discovering the Nexus line may not be for me. It's a shame the alternatives aren't very inviting as well.

And if the Nexus S+ or whatever is true, it's just another problem with the Android experience: too disorganized and fractured.
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
Samsung was working directly 1 on 1 with Google to make the Nexus S. You REALLY think they wouldn't ask Google to hold back 2.3 from the Nexus One for 3-4 months in order to increase peoples desire of the Nexus S???

If you don't think Samsung is a company that would do that then you need to see how they handled the Behold II update and Vibrant update they are holding back in order to increase desire for the Vibrant Plus...

"Hey Google, please hold back 2.4 ota update from the Nexus S so we can sell this new phone some more" - signed, Samsung

Sounds pretty easy to me :rolleyes:

Then again I'm all about the conspiracy theories ;)
[Nexus S General] Menace II Society:
The changes aren't that minor in terms of design.. lol.
[Nexus S General] csmall:
I guess one could return the Nexus S for a full refund... then buy it again and have a fresh 30 days... I think...
[Nexus S General] Menace II Society:
O.o

Sounds like a good idea.. lol. Hmm..
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
LoL

Why not do this every 30 days then and never pay for a phone again? ;)
[Nexus S General] Menace II Society:
Even better!!
[Nexus S General] wangjt:
+1 on this. That's just how technology is. Something new and better will always come out in the future. Nobody promised us it wouldn't. That's just part of the price early adopters pay.

And I highly doubt Google will release a new flagship anytime soon. They aren't positioning themselves as a phone maker. They're more focused on the OS and the development of the phone's software.

If anything, I'm guessing it'll mainly be a non Super AMOLED version of the Nexus S.

http://www.samsunghub.com/2010/12/0...have-super-clear-lcd-instead-of-super-amoled/

Russia already has that version. I suspect they're doing this because of the shortage of SUPER AMOLED

http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/digihunter/post.htm?id=63020146

It's not something uncommon. After all, they did the exact same thing with the Nexus One (swapping out the AMOLED screen and replacing it with an OLED one).

And that whole possibility of HSPA+, engadget even said it's pure speculation on their part.

Of course I could be totally wrong but either way, don't jump to any conclusions. The Nexus S will still be a great phone regardless of what's released.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
We probably won't have any concrete information until the Samsung event in February, for those wanting to return it within 30 days.
[Nexus S General] jwr2d2:
I remember reading something that said Sammy is gonna release something better than the nexus in Feb...

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
I think you gave us much too much concrete information for us to understand... Can you please be a little more vague to help us out? ;)
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
I recall that as well. Rumors... sometimes they become true.

By the way, we're really imagining this disparity between clean Android and OEM skins. The fact of the matter is stock Gingerbread hasn't liberated us from the issues which we unapologetically shun those skins for; how they hamper the experience, slow the phone down, etc. These problems still exist to some degree in stock Gingerbread. Some problems, in fact, seem even more glaring (random ringtone changes, rebooting during phone calls, etc). Granted, a clean Google Android is still preferred over OEM skins, but we're creating this gulf that doesn't exist as widely as some think it does between clean Android and OEM skins. Likewise, we blow out of proportion the audacity of bloatware. Yes, it's junk, and no, we don't want to see them, but do they do any real harm? The answer which no one wants to admit is no.

Given also that developers will likely port whatever Android iterations over (sometimes with improvements), I'm really beginning to reevaluate the worth of the Nexus line.
[Nexus S General] :
nothing to see here
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
Fair enough :)
[Nexus S General] netninja:
I'm unhappy about this. And for those calling us cry babies, give me a break. I understand where you're coming from, the whiners who cry a months after are annoying BUT its only fair for one to feel upset when a newer, better model of the nexus is released a month later. It made the phone that you bought seem like an afterthought and for those of us who saved up months, this leaves us feeling cheated.
[Nexus S General] SupaDupaFly24:
I doubt this has anything to do with the nexus s....
[Nexus S General] deeren:
Who said that it would be another phone???? i recall somebody on xda itself a few weeks ago saying that he enquired through samsung and they said that the nexus s would be available in europe under the i9023 version!!!!! so probably it is still the same phone we are speaking of ...probably with a slight change samoled vs slcd...
[Nexus S General] :
Seems that way, the FCC paper work has the label under "Europe Common" and it lacks the 1888 hotline number for samsung on it.
[Nexus S General] robstunner:
My collective thought after pondering:

Its a mistake on the aws part. My vote is the AT&T version is what it is. Just like last year.
[Nexus S General] mrroey:
http://electronic-partner.com/Samsung-Nexus-S-by-Google-I9020/I9023.html

The above article was written before the Nexus S release. I'm pretty sure I9023 is just a remake of the NS for europe.

http://www.mobilegazette.com/samsung-nexus-s-10x12x16.htm

Notice how it says, "Expected December 2010 (US & UK), Q1/Q2 2011 (Worldwide)"
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
good find sir :)
[Nexus S General] SupaDupaFly24:
good find mrroey!!!

So I guess we can put an end to the madness now!!!
[Nexus S General] wangjt:
If anything, I would say it was mostly Google's for the delay. They themselves wanted people to move to the Nexus S because they're trying to gamble on that NFC feature. And gingerbread was created mainly for the Nexus S, not Nexus One. It will take time for it to be ported to the Nexus One since they are completely different phones.

I came from the Vibrant. I know about all the delays but even still everything about why it's delayed is still speculation at this point. I personally think it has more to do with Samsung's lack of priority in supporting older devices since they have a reputation of horrible update timelines. Afterall, they make $ selling phones, not updating older devices so it would only make sense that they put more resources into making new phones rather than updating the software. I don't think holding back the update on the original vibrant would increase the desire for the Vibrant+. Delaying this update has proven to only piss off a large amount of vibrant owners and turn more people away from purchasing another Samsung.

It's possible but what's in it for Google? That's like Samsung telling Google, "hey jump off this bridge" and Google going "dur!! okay!!!"

Keep in mind, Google doesn't make $ off the sale of new phones. They don't care which one you get as long as you purchase Android.

Regardless, even if the new phone came out with 2.4 before the Nexus S, knowing the pace of Samsung, the Nexus S will still be getting Ice Cream Sandwich before this new phone (if there even is a new phone).
[Nexus S General] t3rabyte:
I had a G2 and I could barely get past 6Mbps in a well-covered "4G" area. My Nexus S on a good day gets a solid 5mbps. That's good enough for me. I'll wait for a year to get a new phone.
[Nexus S General] hmarcus:
Exactly my plan!
[Nexus S General] phonex1:
http://www.talkandroid.com/26342-sa...face-likely-to-be-metropcss-first-lte-device/

Umm could it be this one?
[Nexus S General] dezvous:
You do realize it could be months till you see this phone in your hands too right? That is the world we live in. You know your brand new phone is outdated before we even get your hands on it. You would never hear about this kind of stuff so far in advance before but now you do. I say deal with it. Accept it. All companies are like that. You have to keep moving forward.
[Nexus S General] mrroey:
After doing some more research I found this German site:

http://translate.google.com/transla...N&rls=en&tbs=cdr:1,cd_max:1/10/2011&prmd=ivns

The translation of the last paragraph is something worth noting.

"Samsung Nexus S (I9023) is a smart phone with Android operating system 2.3 (Gingerbread), four-inch capacitive touch screen (480x800 pixels). Samsung's own processor, a gigahertz chip and IFX6160. Two cameras on the five-megapixel with flash on the camera back, the front recording in VGA. Supports MP3, AAC, AAC +, eAAC +, WMA, MPEG4, H.263, H.264. Support for the NFC and a number of Google services like Google Edition, Google, Mobile Services, Google Maps and augmented reality. Is Google's user interface and browser pre-installed. WiFi b / g / n, USB 2.0, Bluetooth 2.1, dlna, 3.5 millimeter headphone jack and GPS. One gigabyte of internal memory and a memory card slot up to 16 gigabytes. Battery at 1500 mAh. In stores this spring."

EDIT: http://www.order.se/article.asp?Art...-1&CategoryIdentifier=T03A&Sort=0&SortOrder=1
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
Problem solved guys, everyone put your pitchforks away
[Nexus S General] Smokexz:
Just to let everyone know, we are angry, we just got this phone not even a month ago and there is an updated model. That's kind of new... I am still hoping it is some different colour.

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
see above link
[Nexus S General] Menace II Society:
Good stuff man.. Thanks.
[Nexus S General] chinstrap:
:(

not even a month old...
[Nexus S General] jivemaster:
It's not a Nexus S replacement or nexus phone, if it does look like the Nexus S.

I think people are getting too worked up over this. The Nexus S is google's phone for the next year, this is nothing more than HTC's Desire to the Nexus One. Think a Nexus S with touchwiz.
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
for everyone who missed it, again please put your pitchforks away...atleast us Americans, you Europeans continue to be angry if you purchased an American Nexus S
[Nexus S General] ykphuah:
If its worth anything. When I go to www.gameloft.com in the browser.

It shows this

"A High-Quality Gaming Experience for Your Samsung i9023 Google Nexus S!"
[Nexus S General] thepoetvd776:
I think that they limit the times you can do that, that's why Best Buy when you but the phone they ask you for what phone number you will be using it on.

I'm assuming its so that they can track it and see if you're buying and returning the phone every 30 days. I mean if they dont do that wow that would be a brilliant plan.

I'm going to return my Nexus S on friday, so if I can pull something like this and get an addtional 30 days sweet!

Back on topic, wow if samsung really does this, damn, that's just a super shame sandwich and a slap to the face to all those who bought a Nexus S. And who knows it could be true, especially with the video "proof" of the 2.4 floating around here.
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
Hmm never noticed that before ;)
[Nexus S General] Smokexz:
On alright, everyone is happy now lol

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] DKYang:
I bought it unlocked in store. They never asked me for my number.
[Nexus S General] tominater12:
Thank god this is not true.
[Nexus S General] justsignbythex:
Went onto gameloft.com and alas, it shows me this on the bottom! (sorry not a SS)
[Nexus S General] hmarcus:
Same with me. They didn't ask me anything except for my money! I plan on doing this feb 1st, my 29th day.

I'll rebuy it and restart my 30 days. Then maybe do it again. I'll have my latest and greatest at all time, but also have the ability to return it for maybe a Galaxy S2
[Nexus S General] chris6278:
Yea im pretty sure its the euro version but if by some chance it is what everyone is worried about im going to personally travel to samsung find the ceo an shove my phone up his ass cause that would be bull****
[Nexus S General] thepoetvd776:
I also bought mine without a contract, I put it on my best buy credit card, and the woman asked me as she was ringing it up, what number will I use to activate the phone.

It seemed a bit strange but she did ask me that. Do you think that they can deny me the whole return and buy again plan, because I'm using the best buy credit card and it would appear there?

Anyone here work at BB and knows how that works?
[Nexus S General] allen099:
What? Sorry..I don't think you're quite understanding the point of the Nexus S. While the Galaxy line of phones are controlled by Samsung in all aspects, the Nexus S software is dictated by Google, not Samsung. Hence the vanilla OS. Samsung can't hold 2.4 back from the NS. All they did was build the hardware, hand it to Google and say "here you go, all yours."

I have a Vibrant as well. Yeah, I'm pretty pissed that they have the audacity to release new hardware when they left our originals broken. That's comparing apples to apples. The Nexus S is an orange in this case.
[Nexus S General] SupaDupaFly24:
I brought mines unlocked as well, and they didn't ask me for a phone number at all..
[Nexus S General] nxt:
You guys realize this new Samsung will probably 99% sure will have TouchWiz right? It's not a pure Google phone.

Also for those complaining, Samsung is NOT holding back firmware updates on the Nexus S. Samsung has NOTHING to do with Nexus S firmware updates. Google does them.

Anyways, to those saying they want to throw their phone at the wall, please do and video tape it and put it on YouTube, I would really like to laugh at you. Thanks.
[Nexus S General] phonex1:
Eh no need to throw it. Just ship it to me :P Ill pay the shipping!!! =)
[Nexus S General] ztm.000:
Can't wait to see future developments on this. I tend to believe Engadget, so let's wait... I have like 25 days to wait... (returned, bought again)...
[Nexus S General] jthornton71707:
This is bull$#it if it goes down. It hasn't even been out a month yet! Come on! Too many coincidences! That video had 2.4! The baseband on that video matches the device number by coincidence? Nexus phones ALWAYS get the latest version of android... I doubt its just going to be a galaxy phone. Now I don't think this phone will be out until early summer but either way Samsung is screwing us in the @$$... I just hope Google isn't behind this.... if their on board idk
[Nexus S General] jthornton71707:
OK after looking at the video of 2.4 I'm pretty sure it's a fake... pause the video at 0:13 And look at the rest of the font on the screen..

Notice how much brighter and higher the font is on only the 4 in 2.4. If you Watch the first 5 seconds of the video it looks like the 4 is brighter and even shaking at one point when he starts to scroll... anyone notice this?
[Nexus S General] Sebastian768:
Here in Norway, all webstores that have the Google/Samsung Nexus S for sale has it listed as i9023 and it's listed as a 4" AMOLED.

So no SLCD then.

It's also got 2G: GSM850, 900, 1800, 1900 and 3G:3GUMTS 900, 2100.

Android OS: v2.3 Gingerbread

My guess, it's a redesign because of all the problems i9020 had (number of returned phones).
[Nexus S General] ferris1003:
There's a pretty extensive system in-place to track purchases and repeat returns and such. Anything that captures info can be tied back to you (i.e. everything but cash w/o a reward zone card attached). However, nothing is stopping people from doing said return / re-buy in the POS system.
[Nexus S General] deeren:
I think it is something common ...remember the nexus one known under versions pb99100 and pb99110 . even desire had 4 model numbers.

My guess that it's just a normal nexuss without the aws (1700 band).
[Nexus S General] jorenfrielink:
If it's the European version, then why does it need FCC approval? It's an American agency and since Samsung is Korean it doesn't make any sense...

Are there that much returns? More than usually (other phones)?
[Nexus S General] Rusty!:
Nah that's not right, there were pictures of Gingerbread on the Nexus One before anyone had even speculated the NS's existence.
[Nexus S General] deeren:
check this out!!!

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=A3L&pc=GTI9023
[Nexus S General] ykphuah:
You are not authorized to access this page.
[Nexus S General] deeren:
sorry , just edited the link. just check on details and check the fcc id label and location.
[Nexus S General] pierrekid:
NOTE TO FORUM ADMIN: I wrote this on the other forum, but i figure this is still just as relevant in this one. Not trying to spam :)

lol I feel so sorry for you samsung and motorola owners. It obvious these two companies are known for poor customer support, build quality and most important getting updates out to their phones...and yet you guys continue to feed them your money. Why would you continue to invest in these companies that are KNOWN for having slow to no updates and not having good customer support for previous phones. Just look at their track record...

http://www.tmonews.com/2010/08/oh-ha...rt-my-updates/

http://www.tmonews.com/2010/05/samsu...d-android-1-6/

http://www.tmonews.com/2010/06/bad-m...id-in-general/

You think you samsung owners would have learned after that whole behold 2 fiasco...but i guess not. Now the vibrant owners have to deal with samsung bs....

http://phandroid.com/2011/01/12/rumo...-vibrant-plus/

(What sucks most about this above one...my friends ancient mytouch 3g even has froyo, so your telling me the vibrant cant get any froyo love?...lmao samsung you fail.)

And just when you thought you NS owners were going to be that "special" group...lol think again...

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/s...us-s-with-and/

The point that im trying to make is that you guys need to just stick with HTC. Almost every phone they have put out has been amazing for their time. The original g1, nexus one, evo, incredible, g2, desire, desire HD, mytouch 3g and 4g etc... All of these phones produced by HTC were amazing in their own right and had the customer support of htc to back them. Even if updates were "slow" ( and HTC updates are no where near as slow samsung and motorola) HTC would always keep their customers in loop about what was happening with their phones.
[Nexus S General] g.lamprou:
I hope this is not true! Just buying ns from us and now I am return to greece and for the this story I can't bring back to bestbuy before 30 days and. If this is true I will never buy Google's phone and Samsung again!
[Nexus S General] ztm.000:
If I'm reading this correctly, the bands they tested (right hand column) includes 1700mHz. Perfect for T-Mobile's AWS.
[Nexus S General] jorenfrielink:
Sorry, I don't get it, what am i supposed to see? January 12?

(BTW, I cant fully quote your link because I'm new, thus a spam thread...
[Nexus S General] ztm.000:
Look at the bands on the right-hand side.

1700m is mentioned.

2400m is mentioned.

850m? is mentioned. (possible at&t band/quad band 3G)

1900m is mentioned.

So is the new 'revamped' NS a quad-band 3G phone?
[Nexus S General] ekerazha:
If it's a "Nexus" phone, it is a pure Google phone.
[Nexus S General] deeren:
You can see the details of the phone( for eg FCC label, the testing....) by clicking details.

and as it was mentioned earlier, it is written in big letters on the label GT-I9023 EUROPE COMMON

seems like thats :) this thread is killing me. lol
[Nexus S General] aadrian624:
Few things to note about the FCC listing:

824.2-848.8 and 1850.2-1909.8 are for 850/1900 GSM.

Additionally, when comparing A3LGTI9023 (Unknown 'Nexus' device) to A3LGTI9020T (Nexus S), they have the same frequency listings. This thing certainly has AWS (noted by the 1712.4 - 1752.5 frequency range).
[Nexus S General] ztm.000:
You aren't the only one dude hah.
[Nexus S General] Azure465:
i9023 is just the european version of Nexus S, nothing else. Samsung sweden has comfirmed this, read it somewhere on swedroid.se
[Nexus S General] ztm.000:
I've also read this, but why would they test those frequencies in California, and why are there four of them?
[Nexus S General] csmall:
I don't get it. I thought the current Nexus S we have already works in Europe. Also, why does it need an FCC approval if its for another country? Isn't the FCC an American organization?
[Nexus S General] deeren:
Somestimes they do submit it for FCC approval if they think that they might commercial it for another carrier in the us.