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[Nexus S General] :
That's not necessarily true. After a release is cut, there are still commits made to the main AOSP branch (bug fixes, minor changes, etc) Depending on when the MFG pulls the code it may have fixes that a "google" release doesn't. Take 2.2 for example. The OG droid had/has a newer build of froyo than the N1.

Those minor updates that HTC sends out for their line of phones include new AOSP code. Alot of people overlook this detail.

There is also nothing stopping MFGs/Carriers from fixing bugs left in AOSP code. CM is a prime example. They have bug fixes for AOSP that haven't made way to AOSP code, hell they have things that will never make it to AOSP code.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
@Distortedloop, I get what you mean, but it feels to me that the opposite is true. While OEM skins hamper certain things on the phone, like causing screen lag, other bugs, etc., it seems like stock Android is prone to larger problems. Yes all new OS's have bugs, including Apple, so I guess the bottom line is, Google needs to update with bug fixes for Gingerbread - it is riddled with glitches. I just can't help but feel these bugs are larger and worse than anything we've experienced with OEM skins. I can't remember any OEM skin hampering the phone so much that it reboots during calls. To be clear, I'm not arguing that OEM skins are better; they're certainly not. I'm simply saying we have to stop pretending stock Android is so much better. We have to stop pretending that it's an entirely different experience; the so called "hype" of vanilla Android.
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
The benefit of a pure Android experience is that it is updated directly from Google and you don't have to wait for OEMs to update their skin to the new pure version of android we already have. No one is saying vanilla android is an amazing user experience. Other than lack of bloat and some times superfluous additions they are pretty much the same experience. Again, the hype comes from non-average users like many found on this forum that want to have the latest software (and are willing to deal with a few bugs and even expect them) months before users with OEM skinned phones.

If I could get my hands on a buggy version of Ice Cream I would be one happy Android geek. I can deal with a few bugs to have the latest version of software from the OS I've followed and grown to love since day one and am eager to see mature.

I don't think there will ever be a case where someone who regularly updates their N1 or NS will ever have a buggier version of whatever version of android they are running compared to an OEM skinned version of the same version of Android.

Version.
[Nexus S General] thepoetvd776:
I returned my Nexus S today and now I'm back on my G1. The lady told me, why are you returning it, I told her, I wasn't satisfied with it, especially with all the new stuff announced at CES, etc.

She said "yeah I know bad timing of release by samsung, if it would have gotten released 8 months before it would have been great".

Her words not mine.

But I have to admit, its hard to come back to the daddy of the android phones, hopefully I don't have to wait too long for a new phone. In the mean time I eas thinking about picking up a lesser upgrade to hold me until my dual core, I can then just give it to my wife. I was thinking about a vibrant maybe, off topic, can that be used without a data plan the same way g1 can?
[Nexus S General] mgymnop:
I returned the NS today and I am back to my MT4G. Very happy;-)
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
I'd be equally thrilled if I got Ice Cream Sandwich, but perhaps for the thrill of getting an iteration of Android that no one else has, or just for the fact that I can explore what's new. However, for everyday use, if it's riddled with bugs, it's not going to be practical. Take for instance that NS phones reboot during phone calls. This is not some new feature that GB is testing out for us early adopters; this is a normal function of a phone. It fails to do that. This isn't good.

Again, I want to avoid being drawn into defending OEM skins; I would never. I'm just arguing that vanilla Android isn't all its cracked up to be, so I more or less agree with what you wrote at the end there. I guess I somehow feel cheated out of the "pure Google experience" since it seems to simply mean "you're the guinea pig for every new version of Android." Of course, we'll be the first to also get fixes (if they fix it) but I guess I'm not sure if I want that initial burden.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
@the members who returned their NS, glad you guys find you are happier without the phone, but with all due respect, this isn't what this thread is about.
[Nexus S General] mythamp:
Personally the Nexus Line is almost like most stuff google. Extremely nerdy but still in alpha version. I say this because every product I see google developing, they always release it before its fully cooked, eg. google tv/chrome os laptop/nexus line. They are honestly a bunch of geeks who like to poke around with software and when they find something innovative they just cant wait to share and so release it before its a "complete" product. I also find this cool instead of a negative. This allows them to take feedback from the market to improve the product to Beta and finally to Full release (eg. froyo). A company that shares their expertise with everyone else, thereby keeping things open sourced, living by the motto, "dont be evil"! This is one public perception no other company can buy.

I understand your pain OP but honestly if you want a product to just make calls/browse, play angry birds and write sms's - apple should be your choice, they do the thinking for you. If you are creative, you want to customize, create and develop - android's the s*it at a cost of completeness. I would just as complain about my iPhone 4 for its pathetic reception issues and crazy proximity sensor - such basic design flaws!
[Nexus S General] ayvecs:
I was rethinking my whole pure google experience too. it's nice to be able to get the latest version of google first but at this moment there really is no bragging rights. seriously how much difference is there between froyo and gingerbread from the user standpoint?

i was looking at hsn yesterday and they were selling the new evo shift 4g, the lady said "it comes with the latest operating system android 2.2. " i was waiting for her to say froyo, she never said it. to the average user it is just android 2.x, to us tech geeks we know it as either eclair, froyo, gingerbread, honeycomb or icecream.

i am now thinking with all the new dual core phones that are scheduled to come out i may get one of those with all the features and a oem skin ontop of android. such as a phone with 8mp camera, hd recording, 8 or 16 megs internal memory, sd expansion slot, at least a 4 inch screen etc. maybe with a faster phone those oem skins won't slow down the phone as much, but then again if android is not optimized for dual core it may not even make a difference. after the nexus s release i think a pure google phone is meant to give you the bare minimum and then any features can be added on from there. oem skinned phones give you all those extra features for which you could brag to the average user and they will say wow and not just oh ok. I'm just looking for the cool geeky phone that represents me.

i think I am going to hold onto my Nexus One until there is a new gui as for the moment my n1 does everything I need it to do, albeit the negatives.
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
I didn't say that OEMs couldn't/didn't fix AOSP bugs, I said with OEM skins you get a whole new opportunity for bugs.

I also never mentioned non-OEM developers; you painted a very broad brush over my relatively thin line. ;)
[Nexus S General] mgymnop:
Sorry that was not what I wanted to look like. I really liked stock android (Froyo 2.2.1) on my N1. Of course Google introduced some bugs with 2.2.1 (the home screen swipe bug) but my overall impression was at least that it was so much faster than 2.1 and was adding so much more functions. Gingerbread is a mixed bag.

They didn't added enough function so that I could say: ok it's buggy but hey they added so many great features that I can live with that. The bugs rather reduced the usability and functionality of the NS. I just was consequent and put usability and functionality and for me most important stability over having another stock android device just to say that I have the latest version. I still don't know if gingerbread itself is so buggy or if it is the bad combination of the NS and gingerbread. Some people ported the 2.3.1 on the MT4G and love it. I can't say because I am not big in rooting and have normally just one cell phone and don't want to brick it:-)
[Nexus S General] Andrew421:
The nexus line can compare to the iphone in every way and beat it. I mean google put thought into these phones and they had a part in the design. The N1 can beat the iphone 4 and the N1 is almost 2 years old. The NS is looking better every day with its speed and preformance. Google is much more user friendly and much less controlling than apple is. My phone is mine if i want something on it i don't want the manufacturer to tell me what i can't do. Apple tried to pass a law making jailbreaking any ios devices illegal which is ****. Google hasn't *****ed about rooting any phone especially not the nexus line. If you really look at it Linex is just a huge hack. Thats why google is amazing they are a bunch of geeks that do this to have fun not to get money like jobs.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
I think you misunderstand my position or the point I'm trying to argue for. I've clarified it a few times so sorry to the others if I'm repeating myself. My contentions with Android, and specifically Gingerbread, is not that there's too much to customize. This isn't the issue. The issue is stock/vanilla Android hasn't liberated us from the problems that we shun OEM skins for. The argument for iOS is that it's more stable, uniformed, user friendly, and intuitive. Gingerbread is currently rifled with glitches, some quite glaring. Yes, we'll get updates and fixes, but if being on a Nexus line comes down to essentially "you're the beta testers, so tell us what glitches there are" then I'm not sure that's something so wonderful to be apart of. But you're right, it can be from a tech person's perspective. I fancy myself as a bit of a geeky tech person, but not to the point where my phone becomes impractical to use just to say I have the latest version.

My second point is also a simple call for honesty. I think we need to stop selling this myth of vanilla Android and be as adamantly critical of Google when they do wrong. And currently, there is plenty wrong with GB. Hopefully that'll change soon...
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
Highly debatable. I can't remember the last time on an iPhone I had to press an icon twice to get it to launch, or swipe the screen twice to get it to switch; or where the keyboard will register double hits unintentionally (like tthis or thiss) and then do the complete opposite and not register a hit despite clearly having pressed it as per the indication of the popup preview (resulting too common in words likethis). Also never ever experienced a rebooting phone during a phone call, or random ringtone changes. These are just a few examples of what plagues Gingerbread and the Nexus S.
[Nexus S General] Andrew421:
I've never had any of these problems with my nexus s neither has my father because i got him a nexus s for his birthday he says that he hasn't had a problem with it. Plus the 2.3.1 update was supposed to fix everything.
[Nexus S General] mythamp:
@ onthecouchagain, I personally havnt faced such issues with my nexus s, but its better than having hardware problems. Hopefully team google can iron these out on 2.4.
[Nexus S General] netninja:
I've never had any of these problems you mention on my Nexus S. The touchscreen is for the first time PERFECT. i owned a G1 and N1 prior to this and the multitouch was just never smooth like the iphone but the Nexus S has changed this.

To be perfectly frank, I know Gingerbread has underwhelmed people with its lack of "Hit" features such as the hotspot feature we got in Froyo but I can tell you that from a user perspective, Gingerbread is a much better experience. It just feels intuitively good when using it, scrolling through menus etc. And I think that's what Google started with Gingerbread..to improve the user UI and tweak things under the hood to make it faster and a speed demon it is.

If you came from a N1 or G1 you will know what I am talking about. The Nexus S is everything the N1 should have been from the start.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
I'm not arguing against the fact that GB is better than Froyo or N1.
[Nexus S General] cheetah2k:
IMO, if you want a direct competitor in an almost exact same form factor as the current iPhone 4.0 (but with Android), have a look at the Meizu M9.

I've managed to pick one up from a friend of mine in Hong Kong (for under US$500), and to be honest, putting both iphone 4 and M9 side by side, I'd take the M9 every day of the week and twice on Sundays..

In all honesty, we shouldn't be concerned about Google's android surpassing the iphone either. With the onslaught of dual core handsets about to arrive, Apple are going to be behind the 8 ball and playing catch up. The Apple fanbase is huge, but not as huge as everyone thinks.

Apple should also be concerned in that over the last 3 years, we've really not seen much in the way of inovation or change in the iphone. I have many friends who have become frustrated with their iphones (predominantly those with 3G & 3GS handsets slowing down after iOS4.0 came out) and moving over to Android. Even if Apple releases the iphone 5 with dual cores, its going to be more of the same o iOS... Compared to Android and its full launcher customisability iOS is really getting boring..
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20026975-37.html <-- A market study showing Apple has the biggest smartphone market share over RIM and Android

Seems pretty huge to me ;)
[Nexus S General] BlackOtaku:
I'm a big fan of stock Android, but I really don't think that the OEM skins and additions are as bad as people make them out to be. If it doesn't make the phone lag/ throw bugs everywhere, it can be a decent improvement. The Droid Bionic is showing off a new version of VZWBlur (I have christened it 'BionicBlur') that actually seems to improve the experience while being nice and snappy. Locked bootloaders are a shame, but I agree with the earlier poster that said that the best consumer level phones are the Droid and Mytouch brands.
[Nexus S General] kolyan:
I also returned NS. Vibrant Nero 4.1 is better. Dont need any ****ty updates, devs got my back. User experience on Touchwiz is much better.
[Nexus S General] morfy50:
OEM skins aren't bad, but they do become hated when used as a crutch for not providing customers with OS updates.
[Nexus S General] mr mystery:
Which rarely happens, if ever :rolleyes:
[Nexus S General] A_Flying_Fox:
I have a hard time telling sarcasm over the internet, but i realllllly hope that was sarcastic. Lol
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
Pretty sure the eyes-rolling smiley showed it was sarcasm.
[Nexus S General] A_Flying_Fox:
I'm on the xda app lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] travis.rudd:
What does it mean when a rom is "kanged"?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nuggyunlimited:
I think someone stealing your work and trying to call it theirs.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crossrocker:
Or.. just using other peoples work. Like the unofficial cm nightlies using the cyanogen bots changes on the cm website. stealings a hard word.. its not like anyone's doing anything bad with that. Ultimate Droid on the other hand is bad kanged

A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on the IPhone. We now have the Htc Evo.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nuggyunlimited:
What did ultimate droid do? I know I haven't been seeing that thread around
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cesarcerros31:
Ibeleive he had warez in his rom other than that I have no idea I liked the rom but don't like having warez in my roms
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nuggyunlimited:
Oh I never knew that I only flashed it for like 10 minutes it was cool. I wonder what warez he used
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Greenfieldan:
He also ended up stealing a lot of code from other devs ROMs to benefit his own without giving any sort of credit.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nuggyunlimited:
Wow I'm reliant my rom tonight when I very home from work I spent all day yesterday young the changelog thanking everyone who helped and mods I used. Lol I live xda too much to get banned I can't imagine how it feels to get banned from such a great community
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cole28:
I know a lot of people don't like him because of this...

cyanogenmod.com/home/android-soap-opera-ultimate-droid
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nuggyunlimited:
Wow that was deep
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bwcorvus:
It had swype, some paid wallpaper and fancy widgets.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bkrodgers:
Is it better to be Kanged or Kodosed?
[GT540 Optimus Android Development] pepi74:
Can somebody extract for me boot.img from LG540 with OFFICIAL 2.1 Android.

Thanks
[GT540 Optimus Android Development] EazyLuke:
This is from my nandroid-backup from Europe Open V20B

http://www.mediafire.com/?78vsi05q7s42vnn
[GT540 Optimus Android Development] pepi74:
THANKS for quick reply: maybee you know how to flash only that file ? ( or) - how you get that file? You must used modified rom or not?
[GT540 Optimus Android Development] EazyLuke:
I got that file with Clockworkmod recovery. I don't know how to flash it, I'd think with "fastboot flash boot boot.img", but I don't know for sure!
[GT540 Optimus Android Development] pepi74:
If you got it from clockworkmod recovery than it is not orignal then modificed rom, so and boot will be modificed also.
[Fascinate General] MrCrashAlot:
New kernal, how to? Please forgive my ignorance. I had a buddy root my phone cause im not that sharp I am comfortable flashing new roms... Is it the same process with new kernals flash through clockwork or different
[Fascinate General] Michaelg2183:
Flashing a non voodoo kernel is done the same way. There are several good kernels to chose from. Download, backup and install using clockwork. Flashing a voodoo kernel is also done that way with the major difference being in flashes after voodoo. You should read up and make sure you fully understand voodoo before flashing one of those. Hope that helped.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rocknwo:
Hi, I recently rooted my huawei ascend, well today infact, I was wondering if I could somehow since it's rooted get multi touch on there?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] selfinflicted1:
2.1 will not support multi touch. Must have custom rom or 2.2 port. None available right now. Follow official huawei ascend thread for updates.

S.I.™ ©®77
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phoenix6666:
Hi, I have darky 7.8 (2.2.1 xxjpy based) and speedmode kernel K12L-T5

Sometimes when I place the microSD I cannot install any apps.

It just stocks in the installing page and never goes any further

In addition, in Manage applications page, every app which I click on, the sections "total, application, data and cache" are just computing and nothing goes beyond that. can anyone help me please?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] kobusvdsandt:
what KDZ file should i use in the KDZ software update?

im supposed to choose a KDZ file but i don't have one.. can somebody please upload it for me. my phone is stuck at the LG logo..
[Optimus One, P500, V General] kobusvdsandt:
never-mind! found it myself! thanks for all the reply's and wonderful support !:rolleyes:
[Optimus One, P500, V General] kingbo777:
LG Optimus U - US Cellular

Looking for Optimus U KDZ as have been unable to find it. Have found a cab file with the 2.2 software and am trying to put my U down to 2.2 as to root. Right now it is at 2.2.2. Any and all help is greatly appreciated!

THanks!
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tomcatsniper:
Hello,

I got my P550 bricked somehow when I tried to upgrade to WM6.5. I had some checksum errors and after writing completed it was asking me to reset and I did it.

Now I have blue-red leds. No problem....I did a JTAG cable and connected to CPU successfully but I am not able to find sjf2440 with support for my NAND flash.

My P550 has 512MB NAND flash K9F4G08.

So, please can someone help and post a link to sjf2440.exe which can support that flash type?

Best regards.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sksolarp:
Mio P550m successfully unbricked!

Don't be sad :)

Read my thread and have fun

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1245749
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Whosdaman:
CLICK HERE TO GO TO THE WIKI

I have decided to open a Questions and Answers thread on this section of the forum. This is a good way to keep the number of new threads with questions down to a minimum, which will make new threads essentially for people that are contributing to the HTC EVO Shift 4G. This includes, but is not limited to, people that are providing the following:

- Roms & Kitchens

- Programs & Apps

- Fixes & Tweaks

- Skins & Themes

- Tips & Tricks

I would like to request the help from other members to keep the thread in order and in check. This will have the added side effect of creating an ever self updating knowledge base that will far extend the content of the Wiki. This will in turn save us from having to answer the same question a billion times...

Please refer to the Wiki first before asking any questions though! It can be located here: http://xdaforums.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Speedy

CLICK HERE TO GO TO THE WIKI
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] rand0mthoughts:
I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a way to disable Sense on the Evo Shift.

I've seen it done on the original Evo, but I heard that HTC phones with Froyo cannot use the default android launcher anymore.

is this true?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
AOSP roms (which will come when there is permanent root) do indeed liberate the phone from sense ;) :D
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] BuddahWolf01:
It will not get rid of sense at all, but you can install ADW Launcher or Launcher Pro to have a different/more customizeable home screen expirenece.

When using those you will not be able to use sense widgets either though.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] llmagel:
I just bought my EVO Shift 4g. How do I figure out if I have done any updates that might have cost me not to be able to root? Also, what happens if i do Root my EVO Shift 4g? Is it similar to to the iOS Jailbreak?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
Here's some good info on rooting. It's a linux term, and in a way is similar to "jailbreaking," but they're not exactly the same. If you want to root when permanent root becomes available for the Evo Shift, I'd play it safe and not update at all. :D
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] koolkid09:
Does anyone know who is working on getting us permanent root for our phones?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
Unrevoked most likely ;)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] wardfan220:
There was a post on Unrevoked's twitter that said:

Maybe good news for people with HTC Wildfire. We're looking at it. (Also maybe good news for people with EVO Shift 4G sooner or later.)

Maybe good new? Not very definitive or explained, but they are working on it.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
Yup, and he's a good one, he'll get it soon I think :D
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] koolkid09:
Is the hardware that much different from the original EVO or G2? Couldn't one of the developers over there come and and help us out?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
Apparently, the software (which is what rooting deals with ;)) is.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] koolkid09:
Ok gotcha. Back to patiently waiting.