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[Focus General] smuook:
I am a previous Tilt and Tilt2 owner. I am now a Focus owner. The limitations of WP7 are out there and pretty well known. If any of those are critical to you, then don't switch. If you want a completely refreshing experience, no memory problems, apps that actually close when you close them, and not having to worry about constantly tweaking your phone, go with WP7. I don't regret it for a minute. Everybody is so worried about c&p (which is coming) and multitasking... there is something to be said about the WP7 experience. It has really grown on me. I go days without a soft reset. Marketplace occasionally hangs, which is my only complaint. The beautiful thing is that they are still on the first release. The most under talked about feature of WP7 is the People hub. It is really amazing how simple it is yet how it integrates all my contacts. I'm also a big OneNote user and I love this version. I do like a hardware keyboard, but this soft keyboard is just as good as the iPhone. Critics like to say the iPhone's keyboard is better because how could something be as good as an iPhone? Well, it actually is. I had an iPhone between my Tilt and Tilt2 and the WP7 keyboard is just as good. WP7 is not perfect (yet) but it's a great start. I don't even think about my Tilt2 anymore. I figured I'd buy the best of the first set of phones (Focus) early, then wait for a good second gen one to come out and get that in a year. I don't regret my decision for a second and would never go back.
[Focus General] JamesAllen:
FUZE

I moved from my FUZE to a Focus on December 27th and have never looked back. Like you, I got my FUZE where I wanted it with a custom Energy ROM and lots of tweaks and apps. It was an ongoing process that I had learned to live with. I had the Focus for 4 days before I swapped the SIM out of the FUZE. In fact, my FUZE is still on the charger.

All of this crap about C&P and multi-tasking is a tempest in a teapot. I haven't missed either and I use my phone hours each day. It is smooth, seemless and everything just works like WM 6.5 should have. I can't explain here what I love about WP7, it would take too long. You have to experience it to really understand.
[Focus General] Thresher:
This summarized my thoughts exactly.
[Focus General] peterfnet:
Double ditto. Also went from Tilt -> Tilt2 -> Focus. Minor bugs are annoying, but the upsides win over the downsides
[Focus General] wspaw:
The Focus is a great phone. To say that it's as functional as a severely retarded iPhone is extremely shortsighted and entirely subjective. If you find usb thumb drives to be too cumbersome for mass storage, need wifi internet sharing (the Focus tethers great with my Win 7 x64 laptop via usb), vcard support, or to send video via mms (although the camera in my TP2 sucks so bad I never used it) then stick with the tp2.

That being said, the Focus is MUCH faster and way more stable. Even oc'ed to 748 MHz my tp2 was extremely laggy, especially when sliding out the keyboard. I never thought I'd be able to do w/o a hardware keyboard, but, this one is fantastic. Unlike the iPhone, the auto-correct is right 95% of the time.

I, personally, can live w/o the missing feature for the time being.

Also, you may want to wait for the LTE rolling out later this year. If you're in one of the cities that will get it, it should be much faster than the current 3G and WP May introduce phones supporting it by the end of the year.
[Focus General] FL5:
A lot of really nifty new hardware got announced at CES this past week. But then, if you're willing to wait, something better is always going to continually be coming down the pipe. If you're looking at what's out right now, you can do much worse than a Focus.

Personally, I much prefer using my Focus over my old Tilt2. About the only thing I really miss is the ability to connect to IRC. That one does irk me. Other than that, I really am digging the new toy.
[Focus General] yobyeknom:
I went from an HTC Wizard to the Tilt - I never got the Tilt2 - to a Samsung Focus. Only rarely do I miss a physical keyboard. I miss some of the apps - SPB Wallet, Vito Audio Notes Touch and Mobipocket Reader. I miss syncing Office docs but I don't miss Activesync issues. Occasionally I miss the Tilt's scroll wheel and Dpad but I'm getting over it.

The Focus' screen is so beautiful and the WP7 interface is really a joy. I love this phone - it's fast and responsive and pretty as hell. I know that I'll find new apps to replace my old ones in time and I'll adjust to the differences.

My advice is that if you have programs on your Tilt2 that you can't live without then you should think twice before moving on. But if you go into a store and take a look at the Focus you might just get one anyway.

As mentioned before if you're into social networking the People Hub just handles that integration really well. Also if you use Windows Live Photo Gallery Online and or Facebook for pictures the Pictures hub handles this great.

I'm not a gamer so the Xbox live thing doesn't do it for me.

So, I love the Focus but I'm waiting for the apps to catch up.
[Focus General] william8004:
Here are my two choices.

1. go from tilt2 now to focus

2. wait and use my freebe on another phone in the future that ATT will carry.

???
[Focus General] markgamber:
It's not short-sighted, it's the way it is. I bought a Focus the day they went on sale but every day brought about at least a couple situations that the iPhone and Fuze could easily meet and the Focus had nothing. If it did any less Walmart could package it with a prepaid card and stick it on the rack with the $25 Nokia phones that come with $30 of talk time. I don't give a damn about copy/paste, the thing that made me put the sim card back into the iPhone was that the camera doesn't save it's settings. How asinine is that? Doesn't anyone at Microsoft even use a camera? Didn't anyone bother testing it? And *I'm* the short-sighted one? That's why I don't buy that rubbish about how it doesn't have any useful features because "it's two months old". And as hard as it was to believe, the browser is actually WORSE than the WinMo browser which, in the very least, could play audio and video streams. I'm half surprised WP7 didn't come with Trumpet Winsock to make a data connection. WP7 is stable because there's practically nothing to crash or freeze. WinMo is fast, too, when it has nothing to do and a 1 GHz processor to do it on. So if I had a Tilt2 and wanted something that was actually responsive and approached the same level of functionality, I'd get an iPhone or a decent Android phone for, I'd guess, the next year given how long it took Microsoft to get the current rendition of WP7 out the door.
[Focus General] wspaw:
Not saving camera settings is just dumb (I seriously doubt this will be an issue for long). The browser is far better on WP7. It accesses and renders pages faster than my wife's iPhone, let alone the TP2 (IE, Opera, Opera Mini, Skyfire, etc.). At least it WILL support flash compared to the iPhone. Can you edit Office docs on the iPhone? Kinda. But, the Office hub on the Focus is considered to add great functionality to the phone by many people. TP2 can do some of this, too, if you don't mind the lag. Typing is far more accurate for me on the Focus, coming from a hardware keyboard. Believe it or not, that affects the functionality of the phone, at least for me. The Focus can tether without additional cost. If you care about music the Zune Pass is outstanding. The Focus might not have much functionality for you, perhaps, but many others would disagree. Then again, maybe all of us happy Focus users are just retarded Walmart patrons.
[Focus General] bennyj71:
All I have to say is I loved my Tilt2! I got a Focus with my upgrade. I figured I keep my Tilt2 to fall back to if I didn't like it. Needless to say I loved the Focus so much I gave...did you hear me... gave my Tilt 2 because I couldn't even justify putting a price on it. That's how different the Focus is. I've read all the complaints and ironically it's the exact same ones people gave as a reason the Iphone would fail. Hell I even mocked Iphone owners. Well we know how that turned out.

As far the browser, here in New Orleans(signals vary in every region) WP7 IE is faster than any WM browser I ever had Opera 9,9.5,9.7, 9.7 with Flash,10 beta,10 Mini,Skyfire, UCWeb6,6.7,7,7 release2, NetFront 3.4,3.5,4,4 updated, Bolt,Iris, Pocket IE, Uzard. The sad thing is all of these damn browsers were installed on my phone because none were good enough. With the Focus I released much like the Iphone people I mocked, I don't need most of that bullcrap. I don't know if the IP4 has a different browser version than the 3GS, but WP7 IE is just as fast and accurate. as my nephews 3GS.

As for saving camera settings, I never taught of this till you mentioned it. Now that you mentioned it, it sounds crazy to me to save the settings. I constantly take pictures with my phone for work. Unless I'm in the exact same conditions then saving the settings would be just a big pain. Obviously, someone in the Microsoft meeting must have mentioned this. Damned if they do damned if they don't.
[Focus General] Fuzzy John:
You still are using a fixed set of settings, the default ones. If you are OK with those is no problem, but a user should still be able to customize the settings and then save them instead of always going back to default.
[Focus General] Fuzzy John:
I am in my first day of "playing" with a Focus, coming from a Tilt 2. Sometimes I think I should have not started.

I love the simplicity but I miss the flexibility.

So far the biggest con for me is the small font used in various places that I find hard to read after using the phone for a while. Maybe it is time for glasses but get them only for the Focus? Too bad the font size cannot be adjusted other than the places where zooming works. Speaking of zooming I miss the reflow of text, so now after zooming I constantly have to scroll sideways to read a page.

When I got the Tilt 2 I thought I was going to use the slide out keyboard more. Turned out that I rarely used it so that was not an issue moving to the Focus. I do find the Focus keyboard very sensitive. The slightest touch or even coming close enough to the screen without actually touching registers on the touch screen. Even though the Focus screen keyboard keys are very close in size to the Tilt 2 screen keyboard I have lots of typos with the Focus. I guess though that this is something that gets overcome with time.

WiFi... cannot connect to hidden networks??? Please Microsoft, reconsider this.

Once connected to WiFi what is there to do other than using WiFi for data instead of 3G? I cannot connect to my Windows Home Server to save pictures and other documents or to load some documents for the road. I know I can go thru Skydrive but that's extra steps and maybe I have documents I would rather not upload to a third party server.

I would like a common email tile on the home screen instead of individual tiles for each account. The visible home screen is limited. HTC Sense does this beatifully.

Various apps that I use save their data somewhere in the phone's memory. I would like to be able to back it up at least by copying it to my laptop or home server. I do not see any sort of file management at the OS level where I could do this. Some apps save their data in the cloud... again a third party server.

But I do have another 25 days or so to play with the Focus. I'll see how things change.
[Focus General] dantegl36:
Started with a Tilt --> iPhone --> Tilt2 and now Focus. The phone does have its quirks but I believe the pros outweigh the cons. The onscreen keyboard easily rivals or surpasses that of the iPhone. Transition between programs is fluid and seemless. The link with Xbox Live is awesome!

This is only day 2 of playing with this guy and I'm already hooked.
[Focus General] dgg4:
Just upgraded from the Tilt 2 (prior to that I used the original Tilt and then the Fuze) to the Samsung Focus -- and I will not be looking back. Finally a phone that works when I need it to! I'll trade a few, very minor limitations that I can work around for the lightning fast responsiveness of the WP7.

I can't count the number of times with the Tilt/Fuze/Tilt 2 that I stood outside an elevator needing to quickly look up a meeting room number or sitting in a meeting and needing to look up a phone number only to have it slowly lumber through the process at a snails pace with people waiting all around me in frustration. I need a phone that works in real world - real time - business situations. So I really value the simplicity and responsiveness of the Focus.

It's a keeper. :)
[Focus General] Rcf686:
I also came from the long line of HTC phones and the iPhone3Gs. I upgraded to the Focus the day it hit the streets and as others have said I have never looked back. I do miss some of the customizing and some of the apps but in time they will come. I knew the limitations going in and while some of them have been a pain the pros way outweigh the cons. If MS keeps their word and gets the updates out and keeps them coming they have a big winner on their hands.
[Focus General] mfarlow:
My sentiments exactly. As a former Fuze owner, the only thing I miss are the physical keyboard, and specific apps. I purchased my Fuze the day it came out, and used it heavily during that time. I still find myself clicking on the search button to end a call, but that's a habit I'll break soon enough.

The keyboard is probably the best soft-keyboard I've tried, and I'm still learning little tips to make it even easier. That said, I really do miss the hard-keys.

The only other area of concern are the apps. I had a number of apps that I used daily, which sadly aren't yet available for Win7, and possibly may never be available.

Still, this phone is just amazing. It is extremely responsive to gestures, screens load quickly, and the screen will blow your socks off. Everyone who gets their hands on it just love it.

Now I purchased mine off contract on eBay for an incredibly good price. I doubt I would take on another contract with a phone this early in its development. If I were you, I'd wait it out a little longer. The Tilt2 is a good phone especially with custom ROMs loaded.
[Focus General] mcorrie1121:
Wait until after the MWC in February. Some new WP7 phones might be announced then.
[Focus General] william8004:
Okay. So I made the jump. Here are my first 24 hour thoughts...

1. the power button is in the wrong spot. should be on top.

2. Difficult to find settings in OS (MS issue & awaiting OS upgrade)

3. the edges of the screen collect dirt FAST

4. I miss the sync connection on the bottom of the unit

5. buttons need to be slightly recessed and more pronounced

6. love the integration with Facebook, Outlook, & xbox. just a little concerned that my worlds may collide. dont want facebook showing up in my work outlook contacts. not sure what it does yet.
[Focus General] ottoman96:
I've been reading this threat and honestly, it's helped quite a bit. I'm debating whether to upgrade from my Pure (Topaz) to the Focus. I admit I'm really scared by the thought that we may never crack WP7 to the degree that 6.0 and 6.5 were, and am kind of afraid of the lack of customization. But I tested one out at AT&T and love the speed, functionality, and screen of the focus... I hate that start screen tho :D
[Focus General] captobie:
I owned a Tilt, Fuze, and briefly jumped ship to Sprint with the Touch Pro 2. I hated Sprint (on its own the subject of an entire thread) and came back to AT&T with the Focus. I've only had it a day, but WOW, in 24 hours the TP2 is a distant memory. I have no regrets, the few limitations that have been highlighted aren't that big a deal to me, can't say that I've ever cut and pasted on a phone. Lack of multitasking is a minor irritant, it would be nice to run Slacker in the background, hopefully Microsoft will someday implement that. But out of the box the phone works and works well. When it was first announced I was a skeptic. I didn't like that Microsoft had completely threw away WM and started from scratch. Now I think that they have created a serious contender with WP7.
[Focus General] william8004:
48 hour thoughts

1. The Zune and album art are effin awesome!

2. I put in a 16GB (class 4) SD card. After adding 1 Gb of music, I now have 19 GB of memory left.

3. The weather channel widget shows the current temp. The NOW widget doesn't.

4. The calendar widget wastes a lot of space on the main screen. Needs to have appts or alarms on it.

5. Is very fast as compared to 6.5. Not sure if this is an apples-to-apples comparison.

6. So far keeps my Facebook and IM contacts out of my work exchange. :D

7. Haven't found the sync setting to only sync during the daytime.

Awaiting update.......

If anyone finds this helpful, let me know and I'll post a 1 week update.
[Focus General] drokkon:
The Tilt was my first "smartphone," and I just just jumped directly from it to the Focus. People seem to have complaints about some shortcomings and about the lack of flexibility, so here are my thoughts:

The Tilt in Decline

I used to spend hours tweaking my Tilt and had a bundle of fun. As I jumped from ROM to ROM, I got married, got a second job, etc. Now we've got bundle of joy #1 on the way, and in the last six months I grew to hate my Tilt. Some time in the last three years I changed from the bachelor with evenings to himself into the busy old guy who "just needs it to work." I stopped ROM jumping, and eventually stopped using the smartphone features on my Tilt altogether because of their sluggishness and unreliable nature; basically, I started using the Tilt just as I did my old "dumb" phones: voice, some texting, and that's it. (Admittedly, I still tethered it a lot, definitely a "smart" feature, but never used it as a wifi hotspot.)

Saved by the Focus

Now, I don't miss any of the features on my Focus that others seem to, so I can't say if what is or isn't a dealbreaker. What I CAN say is that, for me, the Focus lets me do all those things I used to do on my Tilt, but now reliably and quicker, so I actually USE the "smartphone" features again! (The "walmart troll" who claims this is a dumb iPhone is full of crap.)

In fact, there are a few new features on the Focus that I could NOT live without. On the Tilt, I just had my Outlook account and one Windows Live account. While some are complaining that WP7 lacks a single, unified email tile, I'm just happy that I can sync a dozen live accounts (like I said, I'm a busy guy) on one device; including mail, contacts and calendars. The contacts/social networking integration on WP7 is unbelievable.

One other nice touch is that, as I read app reviews on all these tech sites, they all say "the WP7 version of the X app is easily the best version of that app on any smartphone out there" (fill in X with Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, Foursquare, etc, etc). The WP7 hardware and features might not be raising the bar, but it's nice to know that I'm working with the cutting edge as far as UI and apps go.

One last thought is about the hardware keyboard, a feature I liked on my Tilt. I thought I needed one so badly that I was initially looking at the Quantum. As I did the research however, I saw the LGs shortcomings (not just screensize, but from call quality to camera quality) and decided on the Focus. I'm happy to announce that I'm not disappointed at the on-screen keyboard AT ALL, and unless I start blogging on my smartphone anytime soon, I probably won't miss the hardware keyboard.

The Focus changed my world, and I've now got my sister and wife on them too (my sister upgraded from one of those dual-sliding Pantecs, and my wife from a slate-style Samsung dumbphone). They've always been live mail users, but now they're diving into Zune and wondering how they even flirted with iTunes in the past.
[Focus General] markgamber:
"Walmart Troll"? *yawn*....what? Gee, with all the activity in this section is hard to keep track anymore. Oh, you posted some opinion after your little insult? Who cares.
[Focus General] ottoman96:
Current Thoughts?

I'm finding this helpful... How do you feel about it after all this time? Doesn't that start screen bother you? Do you miss the real base-level customization of WM6.5? Do you have any sync problems with Zune? Namely, if the music isn't directly from the "zune store" or "itunes", have you gotten it on there ok? Thanks in advance!
[Focus General] bennyj71:
After a month and a half, have no problem with the start screen. My thing is I use far less apps to accomplish what I need on WP7. I had seven browsers alone on my Tilt2. So start screen doesn't bother me. As other have mentioned, what I thought was customization was really me trying to get my phone to work. It does that so nope don't miss it. You can add touches with Live Tiles and Pinning different things. Also there a video where someone created an image of the moon on the Meto screen. As fas as Zune, no sync problems unlike Activesync. No worries about the music! I have zero songs from Itunes or Zune. I listen to rap music, so I have a large number of mixtapes from blogs and singles released by artists on their twitter. Zune automically adds the songs the library. Smooth as butter.

PS- One thing bonus or curse with using Zune. Since the album looks gorgeous and the artist pics and bios are showstoppers, I find myself making sure all music is tagged correctly. Heck I even create album titles and find album art for random singles or remixes I have,lol. Once you see all that pretty album art, seeing the zune logo for a title urks me.
[Focus General] mfarlow:
1. I had this same problem, but you do get used to it.

2. You can pin these to the start page, which helps at first. Eventually you get used to where they are.

3. Agreed

4. Again you get used to this.

5. I think the buttons are spread out enough to be pretty easy to find, but if you have larger fingers that might not be the case.

6. My worlds have collided, and I was none to happy about that. If you have multiple lives to keep separate, this is not the phone for you. Why can I only have 1 Facebook account?
[Focus General] mfarlow:
Thanks for the update. I agree with most of what you point out. The more time I spend with the phone the more things I find to like, and unfortunately the more I find to dislike. All in all though, I am very happy to have selected this phone. It does most of what I need remarkably well, and I'm working around the things it doesn't do.
[Focus General] drokkon:
:) You jumped into a conversation about the Focus calling it a "severely retarded iPhone," that "if it did any less Walmart could package it with a prepaid card and stick it on the rack with the $25 Nokia phones that come with $30 of talk time," and that you are "half surprised WP7 didn't come with Trumpet Winsock to make a data connection." You make several other accusations, but haven't backed any of them up.

In a forum of Focus owners and potential Focus owners, this is trolling.