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[Defy Android Development] chaihg:
Great news. Keep us posted.
[Defy Android Development] Higgsy:
Sense on the defy is not for me, but any new Dev on the scene is good:D
[Defy Android Development] cmstlist:
I don't have a Defy either but the essentials I can glean are:

- The same folder on the Milestone and Defy is responsible for whether the 3G bands match the hardware or not. There is a "3GFix" floating around that aligns the device either with the radio files from an 850/AWS/2100 or 900/2100 Defy as appropriate, and can be used after flashing with a "wrong-radio" SBF.

- There is a nandroid backup now floating around which corresponds to the Chinese 2.2 firmware - however it's highly Blurred and de-Googled (kind of the opposite of what everyone seems to want around here!). In any case, this provides you with a 2.2 kernel to work around.

I think that FroyoSense for Defy would be great - *but* - what many people here would love to see first is a fully functional, de-Blurred, properly-Googled 2.2 ROM. Either as close to stock as possible, or Cyanogen-style, or maybe even "NinjaBlur" since it's relatively unobtrusive. If you can perfect that first, you'll get a lot of gratitude I'm sure =)
[Defy Android Development] DunkDream:
Would love Sense runnin' on the Defy.

Will Sensen then work properly on the Defy? I mean without jerking etc?

Sense is by far the best Android interface!
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
? don't defy come with a 2.2 kernel and MotoBlur? i must read up on the defy.. :-) i thought defy kernel and Blur was similar to the Milestone2 edition?

but making a clean google edition from droid phone should be an easy one?

I think i will first try out my goal, which is sense (dare not say the easy ones like stock android is no fun :-) )

read my MotoFroyoSense thread. I think becides BT, it was a nice port, if you ignore the rosie reload that was a major due to only 256MB memory.
[Defy Android Development] lilaznfoo21:
Can you keep the music player on the stock moto defy? that would be great :D
[Defy Android Development] cmstlist:
The Defy comes with only 2.1 Eclair (plus Blur)! The only version that has been released with 2.2 so far is in China but that ROM is pretty messed up.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
thanks, i am surprised to hear that.. ill check it out when i have it..
[Defy Android Development] cmstlist:
Yeah, it seems that Motorola doesn't take this phone very seriously...
[Defy Android Development] demolition23:
If this phone have support from Motorola, will be a killer device!!

The truth is that the support will never come..

We have to find a way to unlock completely this device.

Sent from my MOTO Defy :-)
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
based on my 1yr with milestone + hearing all ms users discuss it, i doubt it will ever come true, as the locking mechanism is in the hardware and needs physical board changes to break the fuse.

unless the RSA key is found found this one as its currently been running on milestone to find the key, but when is the q.
[Defy Android Development] strahlstrom:
And the US Droid doesnt have this locking mechanism in the hardware?
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
no. RSA is disabled and fuse is not enabled.

i think it had to do with Google was too quick getting the model out on the market.
[Defy Android Development] demolition23:
How is capable and brave enough ??

http://www.uchobby.com/index.php/2007/05/05/read-embedded-flash-chips/
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
as i understand the IRC discussions, its not in the nand they need to fix anything in, its the omap chipset which offers the protection, so writing to the nand is not an issue, but writing the right encryption key is.
[Defy Android Development] civicvx94:
How hard would this be to port to the Milestone XT? I have access to a few XT's and with a little guidance would love to port Sense to it. I understand the XT has HDMI and other features not present on the Defy, but that's not necessary IMO..

That being said, if you have whipped up a test build I could certainly test it too :)

The XT now has open recovery and they're craving some roms!
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
its not as simple as you make it here :-)

but i might get axx. to the xt720 as well. if im allowed to try and mess with it. but thats in the future.. i will keep focus on defy for now. for me this one looks much better.. xt720 is a milestone without keyboard, and same chipset+memory which makes a sensemod hard to run on it in a acceptable state..

but i think xt720 users of course will appreciate it..they do have a rather big bounty out :-)
[Defy Android Development] civicvx94:
Haha yeah I'm sure its not simple at all..but the XT supposedly has a 1ghz processor, just underclocked by factory and is very stable at that speed.The XT also has 512mb of ram/rom vs only 256mb on the standard Milestone. Since the processors are very similar, same gpu, more ram, same screen resolution...I obviously don't know what's all involved but Ive used a kitchen before and I'm fairly comfortable with adb,unix,decompiling and compiling...it just doesn't seem thaaaat hard but I guess it could be deeply involved :-P
[Defy Android Development] tekiccs:
I would love it too! :)

Btw.. Maybe thats a bit dumb question, but would be that Sense fully functional? I mean the same facebook, flickr, etc. synchronization and dialer (like Dialer One), widgets, gallery viewer, and all, that the original Sense has?

That would be awesome! I miss the sense from my Hero, motoblur is so bad compared to that.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
A little OT, but as far as i know its still a milestone without keyboard and still just 256MB.. thats one primary reason why i chose DEFY here :-)

see this review

im pretty sure most would work, try reading my MotoFroyoSense thread post #1 , only Bluetooth i know is 100% NOT working.
[Defy Android Development] diamond_lover:
Sense On Defy

Thumb up! I would love have Sense on Defy :rolleyes:

Surely Donations will arrive with first releases ;) so... good luck!
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
Sorry!

My DEFY order is no longer available to me.. (company restriction)

So its not an option the near future, but ill get back here if a new opportunity opens.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
DefySense might be closing in!

MotoFroyoSense Defy Edition close

So i happened to wait some days on my next project, xt720.. and i got hold of a defy, and so far managed to get Sense 2.0 (DesireZ edition) running..

Phone + wifi so far tested and working..

Bluetooth is not expected to work. (so please dont ask)

Ill keep you updated..
[Defy Android Development] fabianowerner:
I wanna try your Froyosense as soon as possible, consider me a beta-tester. But if you work over Chinese 2.2, it comes with several hard-to-fix bugs (camera flash, 3g) and missing some basic features like swype, missing some google apps, market not working... We are here to give all the feedbak you need, make yourself at home :p:p:p
[Defy Android Development] psicodelico:
Good news!!
[Defy Android Development] hunteryezd:
Man I didn't you, but what you have said would tell!!!
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
little update

I have now tested some more things.

- compass - OK

- rotation - OK

- dialer - OK

- wifi - OK (no AccessPoint hotspot)

- market - OK

- GPS - OK

- audio - OK

- 3d - (Quadrant 2072/1Ghz) - OK

- USB - OK (adb&mass storage)

- root'd (superuser.apk)

- mobile data - FAIL

- FM radio - FAIL

- Notification led - Fail (4 button lights work now, after pressing power button once)

- Bluetooth - NOT worked on

Its a little slow on startup, due to i have deodex'd it now.. but progress is done..

so thats it for now..
[Defy Android Development] Pq2son2:
What do you mean with Quadrant 2072?? is the score result? if was it that is incredible!!!

And what about the Camera??? is it working?

If you need some beta tester I could be! and good work!! awesome!
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
sorry, forgot that one... i tried HTCCamera and it opens and closes, but with Google's default cam, you can take pictures, but its not perfect..

recording does not work atm.

and score seems to jump a likke 1850-2100, not sure why, must be all the widgets etc that sense loads..
[Defy Android Development] Pq2son2:
But how that is possible? when I flashed a Froyo image and run a benchmark (killing everything before) on 1.2Ghz I get a score of 1500. Your score, with 500+, looks really close to be dual core Defy!! xD LOL are you hardware tester of motorola :p hahahaha I wish to enjoy this Froyo version!
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
defy is new to me and tweaking it as well, but with taskkiller in use, i got 2193 now... still at 1Ghz/74vsel

probably the jit on htc phones which are optimized a little more than stock android ones.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
Updated post #1 with a quick Video of the early stage of it..
[Defy Android Development] JamesDax:
Something must be wrong. There is no way the Defy should be getting those kinds of scores in Quadrant.
[Defy Android Development] ArcticFox:
Wow, Sense is the thing i miss most from my Desire that died, looking forward to see fully working rom. If you are ever after donates i would be happy to donate.
[Defy Android Development] jmitch268:
wow that is one amazing score, basically double stock 2.1.

btw 74vsel seems a tad too high, iv used 52 for about a month and its very stable while being great on the battery.

id also like to put my name forward if you need any testers.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
When i post the first public release, you're welcome..

This is exactly how i get my chance to look at new models, just see my other thread :-)

But i assume facts in video somehow indicate its performing ok..

But right now its not working with ClockworkMod, as i use the same solution to start my sense. so there's a conflict here..

and next will be that i have to make a recovery image by hand, if i dont solve it easily.. customizing the sbf is not an option as the files are signed and checked, so also no option.

lets hope the latest milestone overclock is not buggy, and what screen shows is not actually 1Ghz but alot more :-)

when im closer to a stable edition, ill make some custom oc tables.
[Defy Android Development] lilaznfoo21:
wow looking forward to this rom <3 sense !
[Defy Android Development] chaihg:
There is one thing I dont understand. I get all this using HE launcher and the Sense look and wallpapers from it. Also that clock is there because of Fancy Widget that I use for my home screen. Now what makes this different from having a Sense UI?

Thanks for your hard work BTW.
[Defy Android Development] crazyVII:
sense would be -

hell YEAH ====)

thanks for working on it :=) wish you "easy going" :=))

other contacts, other features, maybee footprints applications :===) many other HTC stuff :=)

(i like htc... but desire looks like for girls :D, desire HD is too big ... :=))
[Defy Android Development] trickyhenry:
Hey Dexter, your a legend on the Milestone scene.. Nice to see you with a Defy!! Great work.
[Defy Android Development] isikh:
I'm looking forward to this!!
[Defy Android Development] shamo42:
Amazing quadrant score! Almost like you're using a custom kernel.

Glad to have you working on the Defy.
[Defy Android Development] |ErosizeD|:
2000+ Quadrant SCORE??? you're kidding me? is that true?

****ing Amazing men!! :D

If is that true, im your fan right now!! :eek:
[Defy Android Development] heglen:
If I promise we won´t beat you in the game on tuesday, will you include swedish language? :D

Seriously though, this looks great. I tend to get really tired of the look and feel of my launcher/theme pretty fast, so I´d certainly try this out. I hope you can solve the BT issue though, it´s not that big a deal, but it is annoying.
[Defy Android Development] the|gamer:
Hi,

well if you implement some European Language Apps like German,French,Spanish,Italian,etc. then your Rom would be one of the best roms!

Regards
[Defy Android Development] vers55:
And Russian Language please!!!
[Defy Android Development] ellendel:
Great job Dexter_nlb, really awesome.
[Defy Android Development] xabierd:
Sorry for asking but... why is so difficult to get bluetooth working on sense builds? it also happened the same with my old htc magic :(
[Defy Android Development] isikh:
I'm on T-Mobile USA, and this ROM looks great for my DEFYl I've one concern. I NEED WiFi calling to work; could you get it to work on this?
[Defy Android Development] Perilla_:
Awesome.
[Defy Android Development] bunnybash:
Love what you are attempting here
[Defy Android Development] Pq2son2:
Please people, we first need a functional rom after that we woud add the suggestions!(apps and langs)

Dexter is doing a hard work!
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
on magic i think hardware is similar (broadcom bt) but on our model not even the driver is similar and way its use differs from a stock android rom, so its really no simple task to adapt the way it works.
[Defy Android Development] |ErosizeD|:
Spainis language please!!

YOU CAN TRY THE PHONE WITH A LIVE WALLPAPER? IT LAGS?
[Defy Android Development] diamond_lover:
I think the same :)

Thanks!!!
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
i don't think many should worry about language, the edtion is based on a WWE edtion which includes many,many languages for menu support.. its common within htc sections that what i think is named WorldWideEdtion has no language problems, except maybe RTL and sometimes china, where specific fonts and such is needed, which i even think works here..

so it can be adapted to Korean edition too..
[Defy Android Development] Pq2son2:
So, how can I help you? maybe I could be useful for something... :S

If you need anything tell me :)
[Defy Android Development] yiminghung:
WOW~ great job!!

Hope it release ,soon~
[Defy Android Development] reinsen:
to me its the most promising release yet.

hope to see it working soon. with german language :)

donation assured! ;)
[Defy Android Development] ArcticFox:
As long as mobile data is working id definately use a rom that doesnt have Bluetooth.
[Defy Android Development] Nice.InSane:
Damn, 2000+ is pretty amazing. Will change from jboogie's rom to this if its full working!!!

InSane
[Defy Android Development] add.thebad:
that i a crazy score!! Whats it like in real world use and gaming?
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
i just did a quick test of neocore, only 41.4. semms not impressive comparing to my folio with 60.

general use seems ok, htc browser with flash enabled seem less good, but im doing move playback, maybe thats it...havent tried so much, flash could also be running less good if it thinks it a htc with native cpu support, which it havent got..

i will not be looking at it today, so no more status updates at this stage, except maybe testing..
[Defy Android Development] add.thebad:
Wow seems good looking toward to this 1 now!!
[Defy Android Development] shamo42:
Around 41 is normal for the Defy whether you run it with 800Mhz or 1250Mhz.

Any progress on mobile data?
[Defy Android Development] hunteryezd:
Keep working !!
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
that was at 1Ghz i recall when opening overclock app..

so 3D really not seem affected much here... maybe just 2D somehow or float calcs for android.
[Defy Android Development] breezasib:
Amazing work. I would love to use it but bluetooth is a must have for the car.
[Defy Android Development] :
would be great if you could post the rom now..
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
I've had less success with the "mobile data", seems drivers from china rom + beta T-Mobile rom is not helping either...

i might post this during weekend, and then pops the question, does CWM work for you running the china default mod?

i tested with a few different basebands from 2.1 and 2.2 releases all baseband files seems to make no difference, radio has signal but no 3G mobile data at all..

(it is seen on another MS milestone port i did, which were a library problem) and i cannot use drivers from milestone..
[Defy Android Development] :
Clockwork MOD Recovery works on China 2.2, it needed ALOT for an reaction, this mean when you select for example Recovery Reboot it takes like 10 seconds before it boot in RM.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
:-) thats not actually CWM , but the new kernel which seems slower here.. but ok, so i should be able to make a custom rom using a system.img file and be able to share this way..

update.zip's are still signed right? (yes i know i could just test it, but i read that elsewhere it sounded like working? maybe specific recovery img?)
[Defy Android Development] :
Good question ;) i think yes it should be.
[Defy Android Development] bihariel:
you can dump your system and then make a .zip with an update-script that copy the system folder to our phones using clck work mod. the problem is if you need to do a nand-backup from froyosene.

one question: do you disabe usb debugging mode before installing the clocwork mod recovery? on the acual froyo roms if you have usb debubbing ennabled you can not enter to clockworccmod recovery.

if you need help on testing the recovery, please send me a P.M. and we can talk.

keep the good progress, the rom looks amazing.
[Defy Android Development] demolition23:
Can this method help to built an aosp ROM?

Sent from my MOTO Defy :-)
[Defy Android Development] bihariel:
what merhod?
[Defy Android Development] :
it is possible to convert from a signed.zip into a NAND backup? some1 know this?
[Defy Android Development] demolition23:
That way that makes the desire z ROM working on defy.

Sent from my MOTO Defy :-)
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
i know.. and it is. but its a manual boring process. as all steps within the update.zip needs to be done by hand... so not a preferred way, but of course its possible to create a new yaffs system.img and put all update.zip files into one.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
system image dumps are preffered in a beta stage im sure, because all the update.zip work writing a new script for the files with ownership etc, is hard long work, i dont got time for now..

and yes i think i test the "hijack" CWM without having adb running, but yes it was enabled somehow during bootup again.. i might need to try it without adb during bootup.
[Defy Android Development] :
UFF !!! no no... please "keep it simple"..
[Defy Android Development] 008325:
add apn maunally is OK. there has no auto apn in china rom
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
that is sadly not the problem here, it says "no simcard found", when you enter APN settings.. (known problem from milestone phone as well).. it got solved with a different ril driver, which i so far has had no luck with..

but on the other hand, i got Bluetooth working, and me saying never gonna work, but i tested so far audio to PC, and it works..

headset is next step when i locate one...
[Defy Android Development] psicodelico:
Good news about bluetooth and bad news about 3G :)

You are doing a great job here! Thanks.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
thanks, and yes so far not very good.. 3G is very commonly used now :-(

but ok, ill be leaving the defy project for some days.. i got a XT720 to attend now... but thats during weekend, as im occupied the next evenings not having a chance to do much fiddling with mobiles, becides quick web checks..

but im for sure gonna continue on this one..
[Defy Android Development] :
ok, before you wrote that you would post the rom this weekend, now you let it go for a while?

I think you have nothing to show. sorry
[Defy Android Development] ellendel:
Nu_user the people like you are the trolls of this present time.
[Defy Android Development] :
thx ellendel.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
LOL

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[Defy Android Development] chaihg:
That is very rude you should at least request him.
[Defy Android Development] bihariel:
i hope you release it this weekend, so we can test it and maybe help you to resolve the few buggs that the rom has, because i think that this rom is usable for day a day use, at least for me, i do not use mobile data and bluetooth.

thanks for you hard work.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
a little status update(during my lunch break here)..

I will try to post it this weekend, although mobiledata is an issue, its will for some users be fine i guess, and people can ignore if they dislike not having mobiledata for now, at least wifi is a good replacement for now.

Here comes a little but!.

I upgraded it last night to HTC 1.72.405 and now i lost the speed of the first edtion based on my milestone build, so ill do a quick redo of the initial backup i made and see if i can fix the 3D issue.. i can see the drop from 2000 to 1750, where the last screen in quadrant went from 18-19 frames to now just 15..

but maybe thats a cost of having latest htc build, i dont know yet..

Its still speedy as is, so maybe ill post the newest version AND the faster 3D edition.. as im not sure if its all in the dalvik libs or other libs that got replaced as well in the 1.72 update from htc..

but all in all, there is still much to verify..

. create the yaffs img file.

- install china 2.2 sbf , install CWM and recover my new system partition.

- lastly, restore the new fixed 2.2 boot.img + other like posted in other threads here.. remember modules are for the china edition only, which i saw elsewhere with just sbf just boot+partitions etc included which will probably be how to install this mod..

I have tried replacing all the /etc/motorola/comm_drv & bp_nvm_default baseband drivers with the china, US T-Mobile beta and even taken those from the 2.1 release, they all work and i get a radio signal, but none of them solves the 3G mobiledata issue.

I have patched the location.cfg to point to Google gps servers, to maybe help optimize aGPS speeds. (might be an issue for some, then the location.cfg needs to be replaced with original motorola ones. at least i feel i get a gps lock quickly.

Comparing the build to the htc desireHD/ACE, i removed Laputa and some test tools and few generic packs like twitter/faceboot which all can be downloaded from Market after install. as space in /system was needed for the extras here.

(htc comes with a 500MB partition!!)

Furthermore it seems that i would recommend NOT upgrading flashplayer that comes with this build and ignore using the one from Market, as the new update seems to have problems in fullscreen not being 100% ok, where the one that comes with the build works perfect for me. (so you know)
[Defy Android Development] bihariel:
i can help on testing the yaffs img file, but what about the md5 checksum? i think you can calculate it with adb or something like that and the create a txt file named nandroid.md5 with the checksum in order to avoid problems with the CWM.

one question: why not dump the system partion, the make an update.zip and use CWM to flash it. the script may be:

format SYSTEM:

show_progress 0.1 0

copy_dir PACKAGE:system SYSTEM:

show_progress 0.2 10

or maybe this is better

delete_recursive SYSTEM:app

delete_recursive SYSTEM:framework

delete_recursive DATA:dalvik-cache

show_progress 0.1 0

copy_dir PACKAGE:system SYSTEM:

show_progress 0.2 10
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
this is just part of the script.. then you need all the ownership rights set and symbolic links in place as well, making the updater-script quite complex

which i somehow want to avoid for now.
[Defy Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
I had luck getting DEFY Recovery(CWM) working on my mod, with custom additions, but now there is problems getting "superuser.apk" to work, so the trigger to run recovery is not working..

it seems latest Sense2.0 build uses a newer Sqlite3 edition and superuser.apk does not work fine with it, at least not always.. (Overlock does work though, really strange)

but a file in /data/.recovery_mode triggers it at next boot for now :-)

as i got the image + md5 made now, i can do a proper upload tonight but it will be late CET+1, early for USA users :-)

and THEN, i am jumping to XT720, as i got another project going here, but all reports on the build is welcome..
[Defy Android Development] 008325:
thank you so much !!!!!! will bee work on 2.51???