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[Vibrant General] bobbbb:
ok you all go sue samsung and tell me how it goes!
[Vibrant General] Mouahmong:
I think this is worth a try. To all the nay-sayers...seriously, if this goes through and Samsung loses, I'm pretty sure you are gonna jump on the bandwagon and try to benefit from it.
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
I will be honest

I did do this as a duplicate

it was not my intent

if one or the other is deleted that is fine

I did this quickly because I am busy

I am just trying to make people aware, and I realized

Last minute

That maybe this section would reach the most people

Thanks to this great site.

I am now running 2.2 with NERO 3 and SBG 2.2 Voodoo etc.

The fact is I went through hell with this device

this is my fourth device

3 of them replaced because JI6 left me with a functionally dead device

I do not want to be banned from here

so if XDA moves this and deletes the other

that would be my greatest preference

I just want people to help me build my case further

even though I already have PLENTY of evidence

We need ALL the evidence we can gather cause this is a serious matter

and there are a lot of people who feel my pain
[Vibrant General] :
As far as the upgrade is concerned, if we don't get the upgrade, then the terrorists win. As far as your lawsuit is concerned, you are holding it wrong.
[Vibrant General] r0man:
It makes me sick to think that some people actually think that Samsung hasn't done any work on 2.2. The leaks are final build quality, it is obviously a problem on T-Mobile's end.

And releasing a phone company, releasing new phones with new hardware? Holy ****, they are evil sons of *****es!

edit: T-Mobile, nor Samsung, ever agreed in a legally binding contract that they will release 2.2 in a timely manner. They can release it today, they can release it tomorrow, they can release it in 3052 if they damn well please.
[Vibrant General] SamsungVibrant:
doesn't matter if you voided your warranty. if this class action actually goes through, samsung and tmobile will be required to notify every vibrant owner, most people haven't voided their warranty and nobody is going to come ask you or the few people on xda who have specifically. So just don't worry about that, the majority of Vibrant owners are on stock, and the class action is based upon their ****ty performance.

I pray some sort of internal document showing that both t-mobile and samsung new of the GPS defecit at launch gets leaked.

Samsung is clearly doing shady unethical business, you can't do that.
[Vibrant General] SamsungVibrant:
If you guys are serious you should deffinately click the link and fill out the info

I just clicked the linked the OP provided and I'm about to provide my info to the attorney by filling out the online form.

You guys should do the same.

You know whats funny, the couple people who are against this, are going to be the first ones in line waiting for their Gift Certificate Card or Free upgrade when we win this thing.
[Vibrant General] bobbbb:
Oh yes, amid being sued by some moron who thinks he has a claim because he didn't get froyo, Samsung and Tmobile will undoubtedly contact you and I to let us know of the situation. Gocha.
[Vibrant General] Senorkabob:
ITT: people playing (very poorly) pretend lawyer.
[Vibrant General] bobbbb:
I have no hope for humanity. If you honestly, HONESTLY think this has any chance in hell of going through, let alone Tmobile handing out free money and phones, then you are one lost soul my friend- one very very lost soul.
[Vibrant General] r0man:
No, no we will not. You know why? Because class action lawsuits are stupid, they rarely (if ever) give the consumers any actual benefits/return. Many multi-million dollar settlements have resulted in consumers receiving $5-100, and that is with an actual defect (exploding batteries, broken GPUs, etc) not stupid embedded developers who can't code for a GPS properly. Even if, and that is a mighty big if, the lawsuit is somehow successful Samsung will lose what, 1% of the profits they made from all Galaxy S devices? They sold 10,000,000 units, assuming they make $200 off every sale that is $2,000,000,000, of which 1% is $20,000,000.

I really do not understand how you children think, all corporations with the exception of non-profits need to make money, if they don't make money they don't stay in business. You don't make money by sitting on your behind and not creating new devices (the Vibrant+ isn't even that superior to the existing Vibrant, only differences are a FFC and HSPA+). Every company does this. HTC released the Hero shortly after the Mytouch 3G, Motorola released the Droid Incredible not long after the original Droid, Samsung released the Galaxy S not long after the Behold 2. Deal with it.
[Vibrant General] kboater:
even if this class action goes no where, at least it may bring some attention to the issue. with neg press, maybe google will put some pressure on samsung to support their devices.
[Vibrant General] antonymjoy:
I agree suing Samsung for not providing 2.2 is probably pointless, BUT, suing them for a faulty GPS sensor is not. I've literally wasted hours of my life lost because the frikkin gps keeps jumping around etc. If the problem really was in the code, it would have been fixed by now either by Samsung or the devs here or something.

I'm definitely for a class action lawsuit which hopefully ends with Samsung replacing our phones with ones that have a proper GPS unit :)
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
Mikey

Please E Mail me SinistaBeatz@GMail.com

Soon I will be posting these responses citing their sources on my own site

for everyone to review for themselves

so that we may build a very strong case...
[Vibrant General] trill12:
Waste of time and money.
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
I love your humor

this made my day right here

I am doing this for America

We cannot allow ourselves to be manipulated by a corporation

some of us can't afford to upgrade every 6 months

this Fascism is getting out of control

Thanks this IS a new development exactly as you said

because it is about time somebody stands up

let them hear us loud.

we will not tolerate being swindled
[Vibrant General] mattb6288:
i say that they should take all phones that were bought before october and fix them and upgrade them to froyo for free.
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
I Like this guy!

:D

I know my next phone is going to be a Nokia. ;)

If you have nothing good to say about the OP, STFU and GTFO! :mad:
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
and don't forget the FFC!! :p
[Vibrant General] hurrpancakes:
If this was Fascism, we'd all be using our America brand America Phones running AOS (America operating system) 1.0, which allows us to make voice calls!
[Vibrant General] djquick:
OMG This Rom ROCKS!!!!

Booted up in 10 seconds, locked onto 39 angry birds in 2.8 seconds. Have been using my phone with this rom for 3 weeks now and I still have 82%, and that's with heavy usage (i.e. internet, bangbus, facebook, texting phone calls, and with GPS on and wifi):D:p:rolleyes:

However, I do have to agree with this country being a fascist country but, it is what it is so....
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
E Mail me: SinistaBeatz@GMail.com

I will be putting a page together on my personal to site citing all the sources

this will help us build our case

BTW for anyone that needs to know

I called a Lawyer Referral Service

I was REQUIRED to specify my intent BEFORE being referred to a lawyer

So the fact is

I DO HAVE A GREAT CASE

And the Support I am receiving proves it

I would like to continuously thank everyone

past present and future for your continued support

I love you all.

Michael Aravaan Khora
[Vibrant General] mattb6288:
yes that too... might as well since they got to open the phone to fix the gps. or they can just give us all vibrant 4g's which is the same but with ffc and hspa+. its coming out some time this year. its a good thing i can just flash back to stock :)

you should use this video that i found as proof that gps is a load of crap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKXPOg-gz8U
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
you got me there...LOL :) :) :D :D
[Vibrant General] r0man:
Nope. The Vibrant (and Galaxy S devices in general) are not Google Experience devices, so Google has no real motive to push Samsung to release a proper 2.2 update.

Post one link on www.samsung.com or www.t-mobile.com that states that the Vibrant will receive 2.2 on/by a specified date (for it to be legally binding it would have to be a specific date, not "sometime in Winter or something")

Indeed.

1. You have no idea what fascism is. Fascism is a totalitarian form of government which is entirely unrelated to capitalism (the term you are looking for) and corporatocracy (where corporations control the government)

2. The United States of America was founded on the principles of freedom and capitalism, under both of which a corporation (which is considered a legal entity) has the right to do whatever they want within the limits of other laws.

3. Corporations manipulate you every day. You are being manipulated right now by a law firm that is saying you have a chance in hell of winning a class action law suit against 2 major companies.

4. Everyone hears you loud, but we would really rather you shut up. :rolleyes:

That is not necessary.

edit: each of those words is a different link, in case you didn't notice. ;)
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
lmFao, he just said Bangbus

;) :D
[Vibrant General] boimarc89:
Medical Doctors imply to ppl all the time that theres no chance in hell of beating terminal cancer but 10 yrs later that Doctor bumps into them at Walmart.....Save your negative opinions because if something actually happens and we are re compensated in any shape, form, or fashion in result of this so called lawsuit, Whether if its a replacement with the new Vibrant hardware, or as little as a free month of data, DO NOT hold your hand out expecting anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Samsung said they will release the software upgrade but didn't say when. "He said, she said" doesnt apply in court. i dont think that leaked internal documents saying Samsung intentionally decided not upgrade to 2.2 on existing Vibrant devices in order to avoid consumers from not seeing value in a fatally identical device, counts as official evidence in court. Honestly, I see Samsung getting away with it and the case dismissed based on lack of evidence, but i will remain optimistic.
[Vibrant General] elgo:
I don't think he is a moron and I don't think ad hominem attacks are necessary. Have you never heard of a class action suit?

I own both a Vibrant and a Captivate and the GPS issues are a pain in the ass. I have endured months of Samsung promising (and releasing) fixes that don't really fix the GPS, telling us it's a software issue, all the while fixing the GPS hardware in newer models. That is a textbook case for a class action suit.

The Froyo update issue is most likely not class action material (although Samsung has promised it "before the end of September" and "before the end of the year" respectively) but it is still poor form for a company in Samsung's position and they will reap the harvest they've sewn; a lot of people will not buy Samsung phones in the future because they simply refuse to support phones that are already sold.

The class action suit, even though it may only benefit the bank accounts of the lawyers involved, will at least send a message to Samsung that this is unacceptable and may result in better support in the future. It is the only recourse that people have in this case.

Why is it ridiculous that people try to get their money's worth from a company that has been engaging in possibly fraudulent business practices?
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
The Lawyer I spoke to is Ben Richman please include his name or at least go back and mention him

He was kind enough to take my case Pro Bono

Thank you very much

God Bless
[Vibrant General] Indigo779:
Lol, I love all the legal experts on here.
[Vibrant General] mattb6288:
r0man

i've been running nero since it was in beta and i've run several other 2.2 roms but i just want an official 2.2 or 2.3 rom with working gps
[Vibrant General] willsnews:
Nice catch ha ha this thread has been fun though the more I read the harder it is to read lol
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

According to Wikipedia
[Vibrant General] boimarc89:
Dont be quick to judge my friend, many XDA users may be political science majors and law students, if not lawyers.
[Vibrant General] shovelhead83:
Its my understanding the nexus s cannot be bought at a tmo store. Must be online or best buy.

Edit: also, can be purchased unlocked for any carrier or tmo locked at a discount.
[Vibrant General] r0man:
I love you. That made me laugh like nothing else in quite some time.

I have Wikipedia, I are lawyer.

I do not believe this for one second.

Because they are not engaging in fraudulent business practices. If you buy a computer from HP you are not guaranteed that it will be upgradeable to Windows 8. If you buy a Mini Cooper you are not guaranteed that you can replace the engine with that of a racing car and drive 600mph on some autobahn. If you buy a television you are not guaranteed that you can watch TV on different frequencies in 30 years that were not conceived of at that time.

You know why that happens? Because the cancer is terminal and it is going to kill you. You know why the cancer does not end up killing the patient? Because the body manages to regain control of the reproducing cancer cells and fight back against them. No diagnosis is 100% accurate. I really have no idea what the connection is to Samsung, and even less to Android.
[Vibrant General] wangjt:
I'm just going to say this... you've got a big mountain to climb if you think you're going to be successful. And if you're going to pursue this further, please refine your claims or you're just wasting your time.

A bit exaggerated don't you think? Proving that they intentionally lied is close to impossible unless there's something like internal memos stating Samsung planned to lie to the public and you somehow got your hands on them.

Only real hardware that's unreliable is the GPS. And from what I've been seeing, people were allowed to return their phones 5, 6, even 7+ times to get one with a working GPS. Also, they released a somewhat "fix" for the GPS that fixed the problem for a lot of us. Sure we didn't get lock within 1 feet, but it was accurate enough of a fix for navigation and any other apps that used the GPS. Unless you can show that a large number of owners are still unsatisfied, you'll have a though case.

Software reliability? I dunno... 2.1 (although laggy) was pretty usable as a smart phone. I never had a problem myself. Most people didn't. It just seems like a lot more because it's usually the people with problems that are more vocal.

Irrelevant. It's not a binding contract. It's more of a "good will" service. Unless the box itself said "upgrade to 2.2 by a certain" you have no case. We all purchased this as a 2.1 phone and knew it was a 2.1 phone. I don't remember a binding contract for a 2.2 upgrade.

Yes a ****ty situation for vibrant owners, but it's not enough to cause a class action lawsuit.

They never promised to update Vibrant to 2.2 before releasing a new galaxy phone. This claim is irrelevant. As far as I know.. they haven't abandoned Froyo upgrades on the original vibrant so this won't go anywhere.

Also, this isn't a fact until it really happens and you prove they will NEVER update the phone.

Like I said earlier, they did fix/improve/optimize it. It does work to some extent, although not as accurate as some would like. We were all allowed to return this within our return window if we didn't like the GPS's performance. Why didn't you if you hated it so much?

Like...? This isn't even based on anything and merely a subjective opinion. It's like saying "I'm going to sue Samsung because I hate my phone".

This is obviously way too exaggerated. I doubt they were bullying and threatening you over the phone. Did they say they were going beat you to a bloody pulp for calling customer service? Did you suffer psychological stress causing you to lose sleep and degrade your sexual performance?

Unless you can prove management directed customer service reps to do any of this, you're just going to be laughed at.
[Vibrant General] MusicMan374:
I cannot even believe that this thread is happening right now. Nor can I believe that a law firm would accept this case of a butthurt vibrant owner who whines about official 2.2 when there's plenty of 2.2 stable roms out there. Honestly, get your heads out of your asses, you're just humiliating yourself.

Side note, this also has NOTHING to do with android development and should've been posted in general.
[Vibrant General] richtertrevor78:
MOD.... Please delete
[Vibrant General] mattb6288:
its not just the 2.2 its mostly the gps problems that 99% VIBRANT OWNER HAS HAD. idk if its 99% but i know its pretty close
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
Thank You Here's where I posted the video

http://mic-beast.com/Live/

you can watch it now :) :D :D
[Vibrant General] r0man:
Focus in on the part where it says a singular collective identity. This is the opposite of having corporations. Let's have a politics lesson, shall we?

Fascism is typically a one party, one ruler, one nation nationalistic totalitarian form of government which groups society together as a singular unit.

Capitalism is the umbrella economic term for enabling various non-human entities to compete with one another for profit.

Which does Samsung sound like? I'll answer for you because your answer will be stupid: capitalism.

DING DING DING, I got it right!
[Vibrant General] BlackHoleSlam:
This should be focused on the fascinate since we have nothing to go on except a very shoody 2.2 just released yesterday no offense just I love how all vibrant users complain yet you have had 2.2 for some time and all u have to do is root
[Vibrant General] Indigo779:
Judging by the level of intelligent discourse on the subject, you must be right.
[Vibrant General] bdubs4200:
I think sammy should progress by the famous mcdonalds founder Ray Kroc quote " look after the customers, and the business will take care of itself "

DRAGON-NERO
[Vibrant General] kaine13x7:
I am no lawyer but I have some first hand and second hand knowledge of these so called lawsuits that have no chance... the second hand knowledge came in high school when a teacher I had was being sued by someone who broke into her house. They snuck into the attic and fell through the dry wall over the kitchen onto her knife block and was stabbed. He sued her home owners insurance and won....

The one I have first game knowledge of is from my old job. A former employee who was fired broke into the shop(which is an industrial steel fabricating plant) and proceeded to attempt to steal equipment worth well over ten grand. When he was trying to unwire one of the welder's that was hard wired into the shop he was electrocuted and lost his footing, smacked his head on a beam causing a major skull fracture. He sued and The company had to cover his medical costs...

So please stop saying this suit has no chance
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
We can be open to debate

but it clearly says THE IDEA of a singular collective

or organization

THE IDEA

Haven't you heard of the recently used often and abused term

TOO BIG TO FAIL CORPORATIONS

WHICH RECEIVE GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS TO PREVENT BANKRUPTCY

Well that my friend is DEFINITELY the idea of one collective ORGANIZATION

remember an organization is a GROUP

not SPECIFICALLY a PERSON PLACE OR BEING

Remember in debate we must use EACH word constructively,

and remember NOT to SELECTIVELY modify ANY source which is at debate

WE must be honest with ourselves, AND others

IN ORDER to sway our Argument

it must be based on FACTS

and when I say facts

You have to look at THE ENTIRE situation at hand

not sections or pieces

REMEMBER I put the LAW complete minus the fact that there are 50 states supporting this

so I kindly POSTED THE LINK

NOW lets continue
[Vibrant General] gagb1967:
How is this thread a development Issue?

Post in General PLEASE!!!!!
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
My sole purpose of posting this is of course to receive intelligent and honest

feedback based on the actions I have taken

I am definitely trying to secure documents and more proof

there may be a subpeona for information

The FACT that there is a HARDWARE fix for the GPS on this post

WITH Pictures

Which I have screenshots of BTW

PROVES that there is an obvious DEFECT

I just received a replacement device yesterday

The GPS DOES NOT WORK

it took me over an hour to flash the ROM NERO 3 with SBG 2.2

and Voodoo because my JISucks device was extraordinarily slow and laggy

WITH ABSOLUTELY NO APPS INSTALLED BESIDES THE STOCK ONES
[Vibrant General] MicBeast:
It's a NEW DEVELOPMENT :D :D :D :p :p :p :cool: :cool: :cool:
[Vibrant General] r0man:
Samsung has never received government bailouts, you ****ing 'tard. You apparently have never heard of ENRON, which was a "too big to fail corporation" that failed miserably.

You have not posted a source that links to Samsung or T-Mobile's official websites or a legitimate press release. You have not linked any advertisement that has explicitly stated "the 2.2 update will come on ____." You have terrible grammar, you randomly add line breaks, and I don't even understand half of the gibberish you spout.

Yes, fascism is founded on the idea of a collective just like Communism is founded on the idea that the government should own everything. Which is to say that it is not a conceptual idea, but the actual enactment of said idea into practical usage.
[Vibrant General] Rick Chase:
Lolumad?
[Vibrant General] r0man:
Yes, I am mad.
[Vibrant General] MusicMan374:
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with android development.
[Vibrant General] degeneration:
I think we have developed a new strand of cancer!
[Vibrant General] r0man:
I call it "XDA"
[Vibrant General] ebatr8:
Chances are you will fail with this lawsuit and if you don't it will be a class action lawsuit enjoy those couple dollars you get from the settlement while the lawyers actually get the big bucks for it, just like the people that sued vzw for the random data charges that were there fault point me to the one that became rich? The gps issue is that it works horrible indoors if you walk outside and it works whether it works terribly or only once then it works and your claim is void no one promised how well it would work its why you have a return period and froyo could be delievered at anytime just like the cliq or any other phones that have recieved updates months or years later, lastly grow up you could have spent this time and money on selling your phone getting another one and calling it a day it cost less then a lawyer, you had a return period if you were concerned yet you didnt return it