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[Vibrant General] N8ter:
It's just another version of Android, so that's obvious.

The bigger issue here is how much of the functionality will be backported to existing Android handsets.

For example, the Google Talk Client in that video supports Native Video chat. Will Existing phones with FFC get a backported GTalk client, or will it require a firmware upgrade (which will probably never come to the likes of an Evo, MT4G, and Epic4G)?

It's extremely frustrating to use a platform with so many functionality gaps that requires you to upgrade you phone virtually every 6 months just to get trivial Quality of Life updates, or do the Custom ROM upgrade treadmill thing...
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
Google hasn't announce the Honeycomb for mobile phones yet, the current handsets on the market if they will get the upgrade might already be obsolete, the upcoming dual processor powered handsets will be more suitable for the new OS release, and I am pretty sure the time the news will trickle down we might as well just be on the market for the new handsets. I understand not everyone shares the same view but I know for myself I would not be holding onto my Vibrant till it evaporates into dust :)
[Vibrant General] j0hnZ:
What functionality gaps? There are phones out right now with video calling, why does it matter if its native? if the upgrades are trivial, why are you worrying about them?

You do realize you don't have to upgrade from custom roms, you can stick to using an older one. I already know the answer to that, I find your sig hilarious because its your sig.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
1. Because video calling on Android is fragmented to hell right now. Some people use QIK. Some people use Tango. Some people use Yahoo, Fring, etc. I'm not installing 3-5 applications on my phone (2-3 of which runs battery whoring services in the background) just to video call. A native solution is necessary, unless a more umbiquitous 3rd party like Skype brings Video Calling to Android.

That's why a Native Solution is needed. So that you can just look in Google Talk and video call with anyone you know who has it installed on their Android phone OR Computer/Notebook/Netbook.

2. It's trivial in a way that it should be easy to backport them to lower Android versions. That's why I worry about them. Phones aren't cheap - contract or not. This was particularly an issue going from Android 1.5 to 1.6,a nd FroYo to Gingerbread is looking somewhat similar, IMO. Again, fairly obvious...

I think you're missing the point. You don't have to use anything. You can be totally stock forever. So what...

Custom ROMs have issues and the release cycle of them is too fast, yet they're endorsed here as if they're official ROM builds. When one build fixes an issue, it often introduces another issue (I read change logs, and I do keep up with them somewhat, even though I don't use them). It puts you into an upgrade treadmill that I simply can't (and won't) deal with. I don't have time to constantly reflash my phone - like most of the flashers here do.

The fact that you don't have to upgrade you ROM doesn't mean you won't have to upgrade your ROM.

Official ROMs and devices will get thoroughly reviewed by me in the future, especially since I plan to move off of T-Mobile and only stick with carriers that give 30 day return policies.

Glad you like the sig /rolleyes
[Vibrant General] alvintimothyjr:
Morrill: No minimum processor requirements for Honeycomb http://bit.ly/eK9qrG
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
What about RAM?

Well, probably won't be an issue for Galaxy S phones since the Nexus S probably has the same RAM configuration as ours...
[Vibrant General] j0hnZ:
I get that they have all the different video calling options will make it difficult how about one that integrates all of them into one app ala trillian? Then if your someone who likes to talk to people on different messengers you can have an all in one variety without limiting others to your specifications.

I know TW has a few final builds that you can use until you get a new phone. As far as the manufacturers its all about making money. Android provides a base for these manufacturers to add components the market might want and that is what makes them money. They can offer high and low end devices and still say hey you can have apps. I don't really care for this, and it is one of the things I like about the iphone and WP7. It still comes down to asthetics, I can do what I want on my android phone and make it look however I want and for the most part without voiding my warranty.
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
If you're *****ing about Android, STFU, QQ, and move to your beloved iPhone.

If it seriously bothers you THAT much, just sell your phone and purchase a non-android solution.

thanks.
[Vibrant General] z0phi3l:
Finally someone who gets that all he is is an Android hating troll
[Vibrant General] Thegreatheed:
I'm wondering why exactly you feel your opinion is of any relevance to anyone but yourself on the xda DEVELOPERS forum. This is a development community, not a social comments board. The people who are here are (mostly) here because they are interested in developing and tweaking their phones. Why do we want to hear your biased opinion about Android if you aren't even willing to participate in the primary activity shared by members of this site?

Furthermore, you complain about the primary activity linking everyone here. You call it a "treadmill", implying that the activity invested into it leads nowhere, and insult the hard working devs who invest their PERSONAL time for nothing but thanks. Why don't you go complain to another community you aren't insulting, implied or otherwise?
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
This is the general forum.

Didn't read the rest.
[Vibrant General] j0hnZ:
If this were true their wouldn't be a WP7 forum lawl...
[Vibrant General] thegreatcity:
+1

You've shown disdain towards Android, the Vibrant, and the developer community here in general. Why keep coming back? If you dont agree with the entire reason this forum exists (modding, tweaking and developing) then why not move to a forum with less of that going on? The general forums are filled with enough trash to turn anyone into a cynic, so if I wasnt here for the dev community, I would have been gone a long time ago.
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
+1......................
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] haxlidinh:
Hi, I'm very new to HD2 and currently having a problem with it. I used to flash some winmo roms on my HD2 UK, but then I moved to Android. Everything was working well with Android builds on SD card, however, when I started to flash Android on NAND, the welcome screen of my previous WinMo rom is still there. So do I need to do a task29 to format my device's rom then? And if so, do i need to flash radio and MAGLDR again?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] duckied:
I still get that few seconds screen of my energy Rom but it doesn't mean wm is still there.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] simax:
well winmo isnt on your phone anymore but you can still do it to have a "clean" build. make a task29 (preferrably with the light version which is using a blank .nbh, youll see it in first post of task29 thread) then flash any .50 radio and afterwards magldr and android. did it the same way to have a (hopefully) clean build

yep, its only the splash
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheiPhoneKiller:
ahhhh one of the energy followers,he was one of a thew that made windows mobi worth using back then,suppose he'll have to move on to android soon.lol.i use get that on mine to,:D WinMobi has gone from mine,no loger there,gone,anilated,ablitterd,destroyed,well maybe not those 3 but wiped,gone for good,ive never been so happy with a Windows phone now its gone :D just do a task 29,that should get rid of it forever
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] g.lewarne:
If someone could make a nice, simple, "DROID" logo, 480x800 JPG i can easy make it into a flashable splash screen for the first image :)

i would do it but im not arty :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] -deuces-:
problem solved

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=895089 :D:D

currently using the one below mskip made for me
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheiPhoneKiller:
yeah thatle be epic,or perhaps a dancing droid, g.lewarne,you live not far away from me.im only in Totnes,lol.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] simax:
lol looks like a nazi droid
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] g.lewarne:
LOL @ Nazi droid, lolololol hahahahahahahaha :D:D

It cannot be animated, i was thinking more along the lines of black background, green android (perhaps with a "finger" sign with a little winmo logo aboive it LOL ) and just a simple "NANDroid" text below it :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheiPhoneKiller:
i done this Tron one but cant flash using HSPL at the mo so wouldnt be able to test.if anyone want to use it and turn into a Splash.ive uploaded as a jpeg so you can turn into a bmp and do what you need to flash it :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] KillaHurtz:
That is in boot1 before magldr even loads. There is an easy fix, a program, & a thread !

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=895089 <-------Thread

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10342565&postcount=63 <------My post with all utilities, instructions & a video tutorial !

If this helps don't forget to hit the 'Thanks' button.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Vampir1c:
Damn that is sexy...
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimcpl:
http://liliputing.com/2011/01/microsoft-next-gen-windows-will-run-on-arm.html
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] butchconner:
I saw this on some of the CES report too.

I use Windows 7 and enjoy it greatly. But I don't see it as being a tablet operating system. (I actually did use it with a touch/stylus laptop a while.)

But I use my tablets differently. And I won't be using them to do MS Office Work either (except maybe to read/preview.)

I don't know why Microsoft can't figure out that we use different machines for different purposes.

Rev

P. S. -- I didn't write this well -- but I think most power users will get what I'm talking about. One device won't do all things for all people -- not even those made by the fruity folks!
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TeamSpeed:
Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.

In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cutterjohn:
Wtf would you want Windows on your gTab? You're not going to be running the vast majority of software on it...
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The Old One:
I'd bet it's for the arm based netbooks
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Allenfx:
There is absolutely no vesion of windows that would ever work on a tablet device in the way that Apple Os4 for ipad and upcoming honeycomb are designed to work

Tablets are going to replace 50% of the netbook market (for the people who want something even lighter and do not do office type intensive tasks on their net books) and probably result in 1/3rd of the smart phone users abandoning their smart phones in favor of using a tablet (lower data plan, larger screen, faster processors...portable enough to keep with you tucked away some where when a lap top was too heavy). With wi fi springing up nearly EVERYWHERE, there wont even be a need for a month plan/3g/4g set up for 75% of users.

This is going to be a huge market.

Here is how i see it going.

The Google/tablet market is going to dominate in the same way as the Windows/PC market did through the 90s and 00s for the computer.

Apple with its walled garden approach will lose most of its gains in the tablet market and wind up basically in the same market share position it did when going against MS/PC on the computer front.

MS is going to keep pushing its "frankenstein" tablet approach trying to cram a windows OS that is NOT optimized nor designed from the ground up for tablets until it becomes AT BEST the PS3 of tablets (very powerful..the most expensive, with less support, less market share, and really having largly unused features and applications compared to the android).

To continue that analogy, Droid will wind up beig the "xbox" of tablets, while apple will be come the "wii" of tablets and (MS will become the "ps3" of tablets).

Going back to the PC analogy. Droid will become the microsft of tablets, apple will remain....well apple, while microsoft ends up in the category largely reserved for corporate/industrial/server users.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimcpl:
I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.

Jim
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Allenfx:
"Next generation" in Microsoft speak means "larger, more bloated, slightly more functional than last generation" or at least that has been the case with EVERY SINGLE iteration of MS releases since 1993 when i had a win 3.1 pc ( with the possible exception of win 7 which is basically win vista on a diet with less bugs made more user friendly.

Heck the entire REASON for win64 was to increase the amount of Ram windows can use ( my desk top now runs w 8Gigs of ram).

Win CE win moble never came close to whar ipad os4 is or what i believe honeycomb to be. The upcoming win7 tablets look to repeat history.

I am not saying you are wrong about win8, but if you are right, it would represent a fundamental change in the MS paradigm. SOMETHING i dont believe has ever happened since they ripped off apple os after they ripped off xerox.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] japhule:
MS has stated that Windows 8 will be their biggest gamble yet, supposedly with a more apple like experience.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Majestyk:
I see no reason why Windows 8 wouldn't work on the G-Tab.

Microsoft demoed it on a 3 year old laptop last month and aside from a few minor bugs, it worked very smooth.

It will also offer multiple interface options such as a Windows 7 phone like interface as well as a standard windows interface so that could also be very handy if they can pull it off properly.

They also promised ARM process or support and with the dual core processor in the G-Tab (mine currently running at 1.5 ghz) I think I would find it quite handy to be able to run some Windows apps while on the road somewhere.

I'm quite confident we will see a port of Windows 8 for the G-Tab, though I hope they're also able to support dual booting so I'm not stuck with just one OS option.

It seems pretty optimistic of Microsoft to think they can pull all of this off but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt just for trying.

Just my two cents.

-Maj
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dvalin21:
I'm with Maj, but thee thing is will they make a ARM version of thee OS

A link you might find interesting: http://forums.legitreviews.com/about36766.html

More recent news article:http://rcpmag.com/articles/2011/09/20/analysis-will-windows-8-support-x86-apps-or-wont-it.aspx
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kieso:
Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChihaTanka:
I like Windows 7 on my desktop, I have XP and Ubuntu dual-booting on my laptop, and Gingerbread on my Atrix and Gtab.

MS does need to realize that our different devices are used for different purposes and need to be configured and run differently for that. I do not believe they can make it all happen with one OS. You would need such disparate branches that they would essentially be different OSs.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dvalin21:
U might be right. I know someone was saying that windowsce 7 was or might be similar since windows 8 is geared from window mobile phone 7
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tsukaza:
With only 512Mb it will run like a dog, even ice cream sandwich needs more then 512m to run smooth from what I read. Now that the new Nvidia chip being 7 times faster according to Apple, most tablet will be under power to run the new crops of OS IMO.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AmericanDane:
Way off base on Windows and it's role in our computing lives, and especially off base on what Microsoft can and cannot do. I have many complaints about Microsoft but they are FAR more advanced in mobile than they ever get credit for.

Apple took an iPod OS and made it into a phone and then a tablet. Windows mobile wasn't nearly as good a product but that was partially an attempt to make the mobile devices capable of running what they expected from Microsoft. Apple can get away with abandoning previous functionality (not so easy for them today with the share on tablets and phones) but Microsoft is expected to have that functionality.

If Microsoft would have come out with a capacitive touch tablet with the limitations of the first iPad they would have been justifiably booed. Not the same for Apple or Google who didn't have that legacy.

Windows on a tablet is a natural and will happen. Will it happen on out gTab? Maybe not but that would be more a function of Viewsonic and their ability to support us out into the future than it does with Microsoft.

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You'd be a fool.

If you want a laptop or desktop to be a productive tool you need the capability a full blown OS offers. Android and our tablets serve a different purpose.

When my tablet gets closer to the capability of my netbook then we can talk about the future of Android.

(I do love my gTab. It works great!)
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] macbroom:
I also have a BE-300! They are a cool little device and it was cutting edge back in the day. The modding on that device was one of the reasons that I bought a gTab, I remember the fun I had flashing and hacking that device. I just ordered a new minolta np 200 battery yesterday and plan to resurect the old girl when it arrives (soldering iron required)!

As for windows 8 I think it looks like a fisher price OS!
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Majestyk:
Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:

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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster

RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)

Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)

Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher

To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch

To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768

To snap apps, you need a screen resolution of at least 1366 x 768

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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.

-maj
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yamagushi:
As I recall windows 7 also said 1gb was its minimum ram, but I had it running perfectly fine on an old pentium 2 with 512mb. But as I also recall, Win8 requires a version of arm the gtablet doesn't have.
[XPERIA X8 General] Botoxopfer:
So after i rooted my Xperia X8 Gmail was missing. I used the newest rom for the Xperia (the chinese rom) and after that it was gone.

Could anyone upload the Gmail apk for me? Because none of the apks I found in the internet are working.

Thanks in advance!
[XPERIA X8 General] Blitzkri3g:
Unfortunately,I cant cos I m posting from an X8 but have You tried the market?
[XPERIA X8 General] Botoxopfer:
Yep tried to find it in the market but it isn't there. I think I read somewhere that it isn't in my market because I am European.
[XPERIA X8 General] scipione1988:
You must go to the firmware post, and download the app removed package (is in bottom of the post).
[XPERIA X8 General] Botoxopfer:
Thanks I looked in that thread earlier already but back then there wasn't a download link for the gmail apk.

Thanks :)
[XPERIA X8 General] Blitzkri3g:
I m european too and in the market I can see a lot of Gmail apps!

My suggestion is to stop worrying and just download and use one of them! ;)

N.
[XPERIA X8 General] XperianPro:
Look again i find gmail.
[XPERIA X8 General] Botoxopfer:
ehm sorry if my post was confusing but i have found gmail already. Anyway thanks to all
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] wmao1:
I have a Sprint TP2 which I have SIM, Security, and CID Unlocked (using Olipro's wonderful unlocker). I also have Sprint's GSM radio flashed. The phone has worked perfectly with my T-Mobile SIM card for the past 4 months, but suddenly it decided to break! Just last week, suddenly the phone was stuck on the HTC loading screen but luckily performing a hard reset fixed it. However today, the phone wouldn't turn on at all. I tried hard resetting again, but the phone showed no response (the screen was completely dark). I also tried a soft reset, but the phone was completely unresponsive. I can't even get it to display the bootloader screen! No matter what I do, the phone remains on a black screen. When I plug it into the computer, the orange light turns on but no matter what buttons I press (hard reset, soft reset, etc) the phone's screen remains black. I have gotten a brand new battery and put it in the phone, but this does nothing.

I've noticed that the phone emits a faint buzzing sound when the battery is inserted.

Is there anything I can do to fix this?
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] electricalve:
dude im think you are fcked, try charge the battery first. and see if the light comes greens thats mean that the phone at least have something working. after that try to get it on the boot menu to do a usb rom update, if you have some skills open the phone and clean it inside and de ram memory (next to the mini sd) any way wait for the gurus of the forum to have a better info about what to do and good luck
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] cmonex:
guess/shot in the dark: if you plug it into the PC it doesn't try to load some new USB drivers by any chance, does it?
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Topone:
As last chance

Try CMonex thing first, then

if phone is out of warranty

and definetly seems to be dead as last chance i would try to dismount motherboard and remove all the shielding covers to expose electronics. Take care to ground yourself to protect board from electrostatic discharge.

First inspect it with a glass lens to see if there's some kind of phisical damage or if all seems to be okay.

Then thoroughly heat it up with a hairdryer (set at max heat and max speed, very close to the mobo) paying attention not to blow any plastic or flex cables. The goal is to eventually restore fake solderings that may have occurred due to age or shocks. You have to be very patient and careful to heat it very well but not too much: there's no need to see tin melt, this in fact would be dangerous, just till it turns a bit shiny, some experience and understanding of electronics helps.

I tried this method a couple of times with dead phones and sometimes worked.

Hope you can work it out.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Betho180:
Hey wmao, well , the spl( secundary program loader ) has broken .... you must use the riffbox .. With this device Is the only way to save the rhodium..... Good luck
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] sbnanir:
seems your boot is dead

Omnia repair tool can fix it
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] dresr82:
Does anyone have a fully functional gingerbread rom yet?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Crossrocker:
No.... there's no 4g or HDMI on aosp roms. Maybe in a few weeks well have it.

A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on the IPhone. We now have the Htc Evo.