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[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] steven1022:
Honestly, I would just use z4root, I had no idea which visionary plus to use either and the only upside seems to be the auto running after reboot, I doubt you will even have many reboots before a perm root comes out, but thats just my 2 cents, z4root is so simple and I can deal with all the extra bloatware and whatever else until a perm one comes along and I flash another rom. Just needed the temp root for the apps anyways like Titanium and Shoot Me...

But who knows, visionary + may be just as easy I just never looked into it.

Seems like the permanent root is a lot closer than I thought it was because the temp was so easy, and unrevoked on twitter ect...
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Jimmy.tech96:
Great news HTC shift tooted after few hours of its release.:confused:
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] StAlphonso:
Exactly...rootexplorer is great but you would have to do it everytime...this way you only do it once and then it automatically do it as soon as you open the terminal emu

Here's where I got visionary...just dl and use root explorer to install apk

http://android.modaco.com/content/software/320350/19-nov-r14-visionary-one-click-root/
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] BrandoKC:
Thank you for the visionary link. It worked liked a charm.

I attempted to use Z4 prior and was unable to gain root, as a matter of fact it slowed my phone down to a crawl for a while.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Shinzul:
Would someone with temp root be willing to grab some logs for me?

I'd like to eventually port team win's wimax development to the Shift and make sure that once there's an AOSP ROM for the shift that our code will work.

1) Make sure you have root (temporary or otherwise)

2) Make sure 4G is OFF

3) Open adb or terminal emulator

4) su

5) logcat > /sdcard/logcat_shift.log &

6) cat /proc/kmsg > kmsg_shift.log &

7) Turn on 4G

8) Once 4G is connected completely, turn off 4G

9) Once 4G is completely off, email me the logs on your SD card at shinzul.dev@gmail.com
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] adamr240:
I had the same exact experience.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] StAlphonso:
tried to do this but only got the logcat_shift.log on my sd card...what did i do wrong? I typed everything in exactly...should it be (with the forward arrow)

cat > /proc/kmsg > kmsg_shift.log
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] dnalevelc:
every time I try to do a temp root from z4root or visionary my phone goes nuts and I have to do a reboot. Seems like temp root is a no go for me.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] edgemaster191:
uh oh Shinzul is on the case :-) any idea if CM6/7 is being planned for the Shift? i know we don't have perm. root yet but hopefully it's coming soon (and not asking for ETA :-P just curious if it's come up in casual conversation between the CM team)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] BrandoKC:
I receive the following message after allowing Superuser and receiving confirmation of root (#)

# cannot create kmsg_shift.log: read-only file system

I'm on my way to get a root canal, so I will try later and check to see if anything has changed on here.

Thanks for checking this out for us.

Update: tried hitting enter on the HW keyboard instead of the soft and was able to generate the log. E-mail sent.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Enraged21:
Yes it is because you have 2.3.3

Youre going to have to downgrade to 2.2 (thread should be in general section) and then use the one click root from there.

Shifted from my EVO.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] bobtsunam:
Did you follow instructions from this thread? If you are on 2.3.3 you need a downgraded hboot to apply the exploit.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255474

~Im here to duckhunt tickertape visions and pick apart the pixels~
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Compusmurf:
Same for me.

I suspect some other app is keeping it from working.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] x99percent:
Reboot and try again. It works.

The first time I tried z4root, the shell restarted (Sprint 4G logo) and everything was moving VERY slow. Yanked the battery, turned the phone back on, and tried again... it worked perfectly.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] dylansylvester:
Using Z4 root just slowed my phone down as well. I tried using visionary earlier but to no avail. Maybe I just need to manually reboot my phone, and then try temp rooting, something about a fresh start. Can't wait for perma root though.

-Shift
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] StAlphonso:
did you download su from the market? if so visionary installs su automatically when you try to temp root...could be whats causing the trouble...also when i did it it said it was rooting then went black...i hit home then went back to visionary...hit temp root again and this time only went black for a second before going back to the visionary menu...checked and had su app and # on terminal emu
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] DWake014:
Anyone else play with root explorer and temp root? I've been getting rid of bloatware from /system/app and the bloatware has gone away from my app list but still keeps popping back up in root explorer. It did clear up some internal memory and the phone feels a little snappier.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] dnalevelc:
I did a battery pull then ran visionary. I have root finally. Strange that I rebooted before and it wouldn't do it, but this time I did it and it worked. Now I can have some more control over this beast.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] StAlphonso:
can we make this a sticky? this is too important to be buried in a thread..
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
I merged it with the original first post :)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] steven1022:
I think after a perm root comes a better thread will need to replace this one if it is stickied, one without all of the temp root chat.

Maybe make a thread by itself explaining why, with a title reflecting not to accept ota updates and sticky it?

Just some thoughts..

Sent from space!
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] gu1dry:
Has anyone tried the gfree method that used on the G2, link? More info on gfree, link.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] herbthehammer:
If we did temp root then made a change then rebooted, should the change stick? Hosts file
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] dylansylvester:
My understanding is once you leave temproot, any temproot changes are undone/end

-Shift
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] herbthehammer:
Yup. I tried it and it reverted back to the original file.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] cosine83:
Logs e-mailed for Shinzul.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Shinzul:
Err, sorry - I wrote the command wrong in my list.

It should be cat /proc/kmsg > /sdcard/kmsg_shift.log &

Either way though, I got enough logs from everyone, and it gave me what I needed to know :).

Thanks everyone!! (GREAT news for you Shift users once aosp comes out for it, FYI)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] EmperorX:
I am beyond ecstatic to hear you say that. So happy to be here. Great upgrade from the heroc!

Sent from my Evo Shift using the XDA App
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jahcake:
Can't use terminal emulator as the keyboard has no ">" sign, and virtual keyboard doesn't come up... will attempt a log with adb
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] StringerE:
On the hard keyboard, hit the FN key and then the SYM key and a screen of symbols will pop-up, including the ">".
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] chugger93:
So I just got my shift 4g from sprint. Root hasn't been exploited yet right? Just confirming... sorry for the dumb question

Just lookin to get rid of the sprint crap bloatware
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jesusice:
No perm root yet but temp root is possible. You can remove the crapware but if you reboot it'll come back. Go a couple pages back and read StAlphonso's post from 1/11 for a nice workaround in the meantime. I used his method and removed most of the crapware and my battery life is KILLING it today.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] BrandoKC:
I was able to get Visionary to work yesterday, but I ended up having to reboot and I have not been able to get it to work since.

It makes an attempt on start up, then reboots. I pulled the battery as others have done and no luck.

My concern isn't so much obtaining temp root, however my phone has been running sluggish, and I have confirmed a substantional performance dropoff through Linpack and Quadrant.

I can not locate Visionary to uninstall it either.

I'm guessing either a factory reset or flash of the RUU is going to have to be my next step, but I wanted to see if anyone had any other ideas first.

Thanks!
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] bcnice20:
try uninstalling superuser.apk before you run visionary also disable auto temp root on boot then reboot and try to run it manually
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] plmiller0905:
I was having the same issue yesterday when I attempted to root with Visionary. It'll reboot everytime then restart verry sluggish and I'd pull the battery to get it to work correctly.

I then tried Zroot..or whatever its called. That too gave me issues at first by rebooting, starting sluggish etc. As soon as I was about to give up, I tried it again and it took.

I can't wait for a more permenant root to come out.

This was sent shifting on my EVO Shift 4G using Tapatalk
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] BrandoKC:
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] drnelson324:
So I have temp root access, but when I go into terminal emulator and enter the command string to remove apks, i get a message that says

rm failed for amazonmp3.apk, Read-only file system

Is there a step that I may have missed? I got this same message for each apk that I tried to remove.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] silow:
Type in terminal emulator

mount -o rw,remount /dev/block/mmcblk0p26 /system
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] drnelson324:
Do I type that after cd system/app ?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] :
ive always done it before, however it should matter. this just mounts your /system folder as read and write instead of read only.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jahcake:
Thanks for that, unfortunatley the hard keyboard won't go into symbols while running terminal emulation... at least for me. I did find that if I kept the phone vertical the 2nd page of number/symbols had what I needed on the virtual keyboard :)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] adamr240:
just disable USB debugging. It won't be able to work.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] gu1dry:
You do that before cd'ing int /system/app.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] emkorial:
If you temproot with zroot, and them delete the bloatware apps, and then reboot, they'll stay gone even though you no longer have root, right? I'de like to remove some of the stock apps that came with the phoen that I'll never use, but I'm fine not having root all the time. If I could temp rot, clean the phone up, then reboot and not have root, I'd be a happy camper
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] M@XLOL:
Yes. Using titanium backup would be the easiest way.

If you are unsure about an app you can 'freeze/defrost' apps to see how it will effect the system. =]
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jesusice:
But without perm root the removed system apps will return when you reboot.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] kenvan19:
I know people are working hard to get perma root but I was curious how long out usually takes before it is doable?

Sent from my fresh Evo 4G!
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] M@XLOL:
That is not true. While the root is not permanent while one has the temp root you can remove system apps at that time which will not come back after a reboot.

It won't be done til its done :| unrevoked tweeted about it a day or so ago so I wouldn't be surprised if it was soon.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] kenvan19:
Understandable. I wasn't trying to be rude I was just curious how long it usually takes. My wife keeps bugging me to root her phone lol

Sent from my fresh Evo 4G!
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] x99percent:
This is incorrect. Apps removed while in temporary root DO come back after a reboot.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] M@XLOL:
I'm wrong... my mind is blown.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] kenvan19:
So I rooted with z4 and installed root explorer to uninstall the system apps but it won't let me remount the system/apps folder as Read/write to delete anything...am I missing something?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] cosine83:
Until there is a permanent root solution and NAND is unlocked, you will NOT be able to permanently remove system apps. They will come back upon reboot of the phone. Until NAND is unlocked, there is no way around this.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] DWake014:
Has anyone tried the perm root options or any of the G2 methods? If I can just put my phone back to normal using the leaked ruu ill go ahead and try some stuff.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] kenvan19:
So I booted into bootloader just to see what version we had and all that jazz (0.93.0001) and I noticed that the date listed was November 15, 2010 which to me seemed odd since that was 2 months ago for a phone that was just launched a few days ago. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but it just seemed odd.

BTW I doubt its new information but just in case it is...to boot into bootloader its Vol down+Power
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] cosine83:
They don't work.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] kevyli85:
Just use Titanium Backup and freeze the app
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] fifedogg:
Does the Force delete work in Titanium Backup. It seems as though it's been working for me. Not sure if its in the free version but I did see it in the paid version. Hold down on the app and at the bottom it says "Force remove app (by recovery exploit)" I removed Amazon Mp3 and it seems as though its gone for good.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] riggsandroid:
Even after reboot?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] mainguy21:
lol i read this and i dun goofed.

you have some "misc"ing traits brah.

is this phone any good? thinking of switching over from the evo
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] sapper3a:
I assume you ask this in the context of there being devs and support for custom ROMs and themes... so far there is none until perma-root comes out, but it seems promising. I upgraded from the hero. I assume come feb 1st there will be many many more hero upgrades, hence more development.

Performance is equal to evo. Battery life is superior to the evo, even running stock htc ROM.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jesusice:
And it's got a keyboard :)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] M@XLOL:
U

U aware? Who was phone?

Edit: I sold my evo for this better processor/keyboard ftw
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] fifedogg:
Yup. Hasnt showed back up even after a reboot.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] wardfan220:
I have upgraded my wife's Moment to this phone and I am waiting for my Shift to show up on Monday (I paid full price for mine since I was under a year of my contract) from my Hero. So far this phone seems quite stable, being an HTC I expect it to be, and is considerably faster than either the Moment or the Hero.

I'm sure most if not all of the "premier" accounts that chose Heros when they came out will be switching to the Shift, so you may be right, starting Feb 1st there should be a lot more coming. The guys at the Sprint store did say that they were selling quite well since release.

FWIW, Z4Root did not work for my I had to use the Visionary root.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Dread 7us:
I just updated from the hero and I love it so far can't wait for permanent root
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
Nice to see you here ;) Welcome to my forum! :D
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] smp420:
I can verify that this works (I did not try with the free version.)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Dread 7us:
Hey, good to see you again impaler!
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
Same here man! Sorry for the off topic (I know I know, I'm a mod, bad me :o) but for those of you who want to theme but don't know where to start out, check out me guide in my sig :)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] DWake014:
Titanium Backup force remove does work on the free version as well. I got rid of telenav and a twitter widget and they are gone for good it seems.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] wardfan220:
That is some good news. At least we know there is a way to get rid of the bloatware while waiting for perma-root. I'll have to try this, I haven't used TB yet so I don't know much about it.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] xerxescct:
First time posting :)

I can confirm this as well. I was having issues at first and I think it was because of update I had downloaded from sprint. This is my first Android phone so I am still learning but step by step this is what I actually did.

Reset the phone to factory

Did the initial phone setup such as Wi-Fi and Market stuff

Installed z4-root

Installed Titanium Backup (free version)

Got latest BusyBox from Titanium

Reset phone

Ran a temp root using z4

Ran titanium backup and started to plug away at the bloatware

Problems I noticed

Sometimes Z4-root didn't acquire superuser properly and although it told me the phone was rooted it wasn't. I simply ran z4 again to see the superuser pop up

titanium backup complained about not getting root. No matter what I did it still didn't get root. Resetting the phone and running z4 again fixed the problem

I think you need to double check that the phone is actually rooted with Z4 before running titanium. Even if you get root access after you run titanium it seems to still complain about not getting root

Using Titanium Backup. It was as easy as cake once root was acquired and Titanium was working properly.

Simply choose the backup/restore tab

Find the application you want to remove (I.E Amazon Music)

Hold down on the application and wait for the pop up list

Scroll all the way down to the "Force remove app (by recovery exploit)

Allow titanium to remove the program

Phone will reset a few times and you are good to go

I started with the Amazon Music program. I reset the phone a dozen times to make sure the app was in fact gone. I used es explorer to find it and to my surprise it was gone even hours later and dozens of reboots. I can not say it will work for everyone but this is just how I did it. I hope this helps and I am looking forward to participating in this community and learning about my device.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] foxsdaddy67:
i finally got temp root with visionary and used the moment stock app removal app and removed some bloat. it worked with keeping temp root havent tried unrooting and seeing if apps will come back yet tho. removed amazon and teeter and facebook. least the moment app makes it easy. just gotta learn all of the HTC apk names since i came from a samsung moment
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] sarspants:
I was able to remove apps using the z4root+titanium method but the lack of nandroid scares me! I don't want to end up with an expensive paperweight.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] BrandoKC:
When using Titanium I suggest first selecting the app you want to remove and then selecting the freeze option first.

You can test your system stability this way. If you have no issues after your trial run then go and remove it. If you have any issues go into TB and unfreeze.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] StAlphonso:
If you search the forums there is a link to the stock ruu so unless you do something to completely brick your phone as in you can't even boot to recovery you should be able to flash back to stock should the unthinkable happen :p
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] rangie:
I used z4 + titianum backup to delete sprintzone and NFL. They returned after 2 reboots.:confused:
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
Nice tip! Never heard that, but I like it! :D
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] cloverdale:
I can also confirm this works. Thanks, I love my shift that much more now.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] vrundmc:
I am a little surprised that perm root hasn't been acheived yet. I know the EVO didn't take this long (and I can appreciate the anticipation and love for that phone). It just seems like no one cares about the evo shift and it makes me feel like I should return it.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] cloverdale:
The evo shift is quite a bit more difficult. This is (near) equivalent to finding perm root for the G2.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] koolkid09:
That's kinda how I've been feeling. I really hope there is perm root soon or I might trade for the EVO. Or wait and see if Sprint has something after February 7th.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
I'm sure it's in the works. Being patient is key, since remember, this is a hobby for developers, who generally aren't paid for their work
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] dylansylvester:
If you so desperately need a root, but like to whine and complain that others can't get it done fast enough...do it yourself.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] bcnice20:
Plenty of people are working as hard as they can on this device. We are working to the best of our ability to get this thing perm rooted htc is just stepping there game up. The entire phone is write protected and almost every img is signed. Expect this for every new device tht is released unfortuntely....

But we always win do we not it will just take time :-)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] johnnycross22:
you have to keep in mind this phone JUST came out and doesn't have the marketing campaign and hype behind it that the EVO did. In order for devs to achieve root, devs have to own the phone, but as time goes on more and more people will buy the Shift which means more demand for a permanent root solution as well as more devs owning it which equals more people working on that root exploit.

EVO was a flagship phone and sold like hotcakes, the dev community for the Shift will never be as big as the EVO's so if that's a concern for you I can understand wanting to return the phone, but from what i've heard unrevoked is working on something that might help us Shift users gain permanent root and i'm sure a handful of others are working towards a solution too. Once that barrier is broken (and it will be) you'll see plenty of options show up for custom roms and mods as those are fairly easy for devs/enthusiasts to put together.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] herbthehammer:
I did the temp root, not the z4 way, and titanium'd everything then uninstalled all the crap I didn't want. Some people are saying that it sticks after a reboot. I haven't rebooted yet. I am assuming we can't perminently insert a file and make it stick yet? Hosts file
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] foxsdaddy67:
then return it :confused:
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] d1msum4lyfe:
i used visonary and titanium backup, then clicked on problems? and installed busy box, got a list of apps

then went into settings, turned on chuck norris mode

went to app list, long press on program i didn't want, scrolled to bottom and force remove the app, it rebooted the phone, goes into black screen with red ?, reboots, goes back in phone and app gone.

you can only force remove one app at a time.

so you gotta keep doing this until you've removed all that you want.

takes a while, but worth it.

uninstalled titanium backup and visionary and apps are long gone.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] fathom614:
Cain't wait till permanent root access is granted:)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] wardfan220:
That's awesome. It takes a while, but for now it's the best we can do. Nice work, I can confirm this works.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] kenvan19:
Any more news on permanent root? Anyone heard anything?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] wardfan220:
We'll get it when we get it. Asking will get you nothing, especially since none of us here are the ones working on it (afaik)