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[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
XDA

Look, people in this forum are a minority of smartphone users and you need to understand that. We like to think we represent the world of users and that we are the "bleeding edge" of technology. We do not. Not even close. If the major OS suppliers decide to no longer cater to this "niche" audience, thats what happens to "niche" markets. I fully expect MS to market to the masses and we are probably going to be left out in the cold. That's life in the big city folks, the world doesn't revolve around us.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
orangekid - I am not sure where you have been but every WP7 thread nowadays degrades into a flamewar. Just ask the mods. They are probably doing double overtime in here.

And not to sound like I am in preschool but they start it.

I have been on this forum before the days of Android and I personally think the whole landscape has changed since it became an Android + Windows website. Maybe I am someone stuck in the oldschool, but xda was a closeknit cult-like community.

Popularity changes people. In this case, the community.

I took a break from the website when I sold my HTC WinMo 6.1 phone and when I came back I was shocked to see Android forums, Motorola/SE/Samsung forums, etc. The name "xda-developers" and the content does not seem to fit anymore.

But that is progression. The XDA or Eten brands are not around anymore. So we move on. But I miss the good ole days.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ForeverImASpartan:
Becuase I bought this phone (HD7) thinking that it would be an amazing experience and I am now starting to believe that WP7 will end up just like Windows Mobile...a complete failure.

And no, Im not an android fanboy. I actually came from a crappy old phone and had never owned an Android. I jumped into WP7 and the experience is terrible. I like the zune integration and the xbox live games...but everything else sucks. No foreign language support, no copy and paset....multiple things left out becuase Microsoft is scared of us enjoying the damn phone. No customization, I cant have my own ringtones (wtf?)

Im selling my phone ASAP and I will try Android, Blackberry, iOS....Whatever operating system out there that will give me the best bang for my buck.

Just becuase somebody doesn't like the damn platform doesnt mean they are apple and android phoneboys. Whatever rationale you you guys come up with for why people are disgusted with this phone always ends up in some immature assumption that the person must be stupid NOT to love WP7.

Bon voyage, Windows Phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
well at lease we will be able to updte our phones unlike the likes of android...
[Windows Phone 7 General] karelj:
You know what?? I don't have to flash ROMS or tinker with the guts of the WP7 OS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO!!!

I did all of that stuff with my old WinMo phone in order for it to keep up and do the things I saw other, more advanced OS' doing that I would have liked my phone to do.

Not once, ONCE!! in the time I've had my Focus - and I purchased it on the first day - have I needed or wanted to Copy and Paste. The OS is fast and fluid enough to negate the lack of task switching.

The OS is two months old... yet there are some of you who are already screaming it's doomed, it's failed. How the heel would you know? Are you in charge of your own multi-billion dollar company that's had experience in this and thus can speak from a background in these matters?

There is a difference between pointing out the shortcomings and just being a full on idiot who spouts garbage. If you don't like the OS and have nothing positive to contribute then stop posting in the WP7 forums.

Better yet, let the rst of us just agree to ignore the trolls and not even give them the satisfaction of responding to their bait.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
Fanboys.

I sometimes get bored with OS's, I was actually considering a BlackBerry Bold before getting the Nexus One.

I have probably used iOS the longest (1st generation iTouch) and I don't plan on changing that anytime soon (Samsung's Android competitor looks like it has a lack luster music player and I don't like Zune's for some odd reason).
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Thanks

I could not have said it better, and I have tried. No, the doomsayers have NO experience in planning for and launching a new OS and there is NO reason for anyone to believe anything they have to say. They just like hearing themselves talk and watch people react to their garbage. They have no credibility and take no responsibility for what they write. Do you think they have the integrity to come back in 6 months or so and admit they were wrong at best, fools at worst?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
The dual core is for Android. Nothing more. Don't want to argue but every other WP7 device must have a dual core for this to happen.

Main reason why a single phone cant stand out for WP7 spec wise. MS restrictions.

...........

Oh look at this very thread and you can see why there is so many thread closures.

Some people don't respect others opinions and facts. They resort to name calling to satisfy themselves.

Perfect example I say WP7 doesn't support real time multi-player gaming. This is sad because Xbox Live is known for multi-player gaming.Their answer, "you're a troll".
[Windows Phone 7 General] greenbrd:
I find it ironic that so many WP7 folks come to XDA - a site created by and for hackers, tweakers, cooks, chefs, etc. - to proclaim that all that stuff is now a waste of time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ForeverImASpartan:
Theres a lot of immature users on XDA who call everyone fanboys because they have conflicting view when it comes to operating systems.

Case in point, the WP7 forums.

All you people do here is ***** and moan about people not liking WP7 and then you call us Android and Apple Fanboys. Im sorry, I invested $200 into WP7 and it lacks what I want. It might be simple for people who have never used a smartphone before...thats cool, its for smartphone illiterate people.

I will go ahead and get myself a real smartphone then. I dont need anyone holding my hand telling me that I cant use my own ringtones or customize anything in my phone...If I wanted to be babied when it came to my cellphone, I would have just signed a contract with Disney Mobile to get a phone with three buttons and a small screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Consider keeping it for Android. That's what I plan to do. As soon as an Android ROM is developed for the HD7, I plan to flash it. The hardware is fine, it's actually excellent, and it has software buttons instead of the hardware buttons of the HD2. That would make an excellent upgrade from the HD2. HD7 with Android and software buttons is the ticket. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
My frustration is more with MS. I think WP7 is great, but it seems to be permanently one or two steps behind other platforms. That's software and hardware-wise. We've got dual-core Androids now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
the whole article is about wp7 there is nothing even mentioned having to do with your andriod.. go back to the android forums please...
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
I would think you would complain to samsung, or htc or lg for that.. correct me if i am wrong but I thought MS provided the OS and people like samsung provided the handsets which include the dual-core pprocessors. MS has never stated that an oem could not use anything more powerful than a 1ghz processor they only said a 1ghz processor was the min. so if you truly have nothing against MS then why blame them for the oems short commings?? same with ffc therre is NO documentation that states that wp7 does not support dual core nor ffc.

time will tell if a dual core on android is any faster than the 1ghz single core processor on wp7. until then i would not be so hung up on things that really do not make a difference other than to "say you have a dual core"..
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
No, my complaint goes to MS for their "substandard minimum standard". I've mentioned in several other threads that a minimum standard does nothing but water down the quality of apps you get. What if we had WP7 phones that exceeded the standard? There would be no software taking advantage of its extended features (remember WVGA and accelerometers and hardware accelerated graphics for WM6 ?) This is why the "minimum" MS standards needs to be absolute cutting edge, otherwise, the accountants and penny-pinchers designing these smartphones are going to put in the least they can to maximize their profits.

MS is trying to compete with their lesser OS AND lesser hardware. We all know the OS potential, but I am not going to spend my money on potential anymore. I want actual. We are at the advent of dual-core smartphones and God knows what the iPhone 5 will have (probably dual-core too). This makes WP7's minimum standard look like an economical budget phone instead of sexy cutting-edge that it needs to be to gain marketshare.
[Windows Phone 7 General] loomx:
I disagree, but I think that is one of the reasons people spew crap about WP7.

I used to flash my HD2 every other few days, fiddle with everything and never be 100% content with it. But did love doing all that.

Before I got the HD7 I was worried about not being able to customize things, but the second you get it, you realise, finally, you have a phone where it just works and its always slick.

I have no need to customize the UI, because its the best UI around IMO and I can quite honestly say I do not want sense on it!, I have no need to flash a rom, because its already running fast and I dont need a cook to optimize anything.

And to be fair, the custom roms for WM6.5 came about because of loads of slightly new versions of WM6.5 being leaked/released all the time. Well now when the update comes out, I dont have to piss about putting all my settings back, only to find the latest rom has a new bug in it, and I would be flashing another when the next one was released in 2 days.

Yes there are a few features missing, but litterally non of them effect daily use at all, I have missed copy/past maybe a couple times, lack of ringtones was annoying, but I sorted that with the help of chevron.

Overall I think the hating comes from the people who were like me before I got my HD7, worried about not being able to tweak, and flash stuff every 5 minutes. Evidently they dont realise how much better the phone is when you dont have to!

And to the guy who said, why bother visiting XDA-Dev if you dont think the phone needs custom roms and so on.

Well simply to see whats the latest on side loading apps, that is one thing I would do, and I could see everyone doing instead of pointlessly flashing roms all the time in the hope that it will make my phone that little bit faster.

We have the ability to sideload apps now, so homebrews apps can be made and released on here.

To sum up, yes there a few features missing, but it really isnt anything major, they are more annoyances in the grand scheme of things when it comes to actually using the phone. And the actual expericance of using the phone far surpasses any other user experiance there is. And I am more that happy to put up with minor annoyances, considering I put up with major annoyances in WM6.5 and Android (i.e. random lagging, clock randomlly changing the time, lagging in the messaging system.)

At the end of the day every platform has its drawbacks and its positives, and I feel the positives outweigh the drawbacks in WP7 and over time after updates, the drawbacks will dissapear!
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
Nicly said!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] gerryjoson:
Yes it is.

At least it's entertaining though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] loomx:
WP7 users come here to look for hacks/tweaks and information.

But flashing and customising the user experiance isnt needed, because its the best out there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
Tweaking and hacking for fun is cool.

Tweaking and hacking because it's necessary is a waste of time.

Tweak and hack to your heart's content if you want to experiment or add features. But doing it so that your phone just works adequately is annoying.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
The hostility comes from those who are prematurely calling the platform dead.

It's as if they're doing everything in their power mount a negative PR campaign against WP7 because they don't want to risk being proves wrong in the future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] loomx:
Seriously the iPhone 4 gets a front camera, after phones have had them and not been used for about a decade, and everyone wants one. Why?! nobody does video calling.

Front camera shouldnt be a minimum spec, it just would add cost to the phone for a feature that no one will use.

Gyroscope isnt needed as a minimum spec, g-sensors work perfectly well, it would have been a nice thing to add though.

32gb shouldnt have been a minimum spec, because again it would have jacked the price of all the phones up, the manufactures should have made 8/16/32gb models. But that is the manufactures fault and nothing to do with MS minimum spec.

Video out would have been nice.

But you have to realise that there was a minimum spec set that allowed manufactures to get high end phones out quickly.

If MS has put the processor minimum spec as a different processor, we either wouldnt be seeing phones till now, or even later. And im sure there would have been less options out there.

They made the right decisions, they got phones out there with decent specs, that run faster and slicker than any phone out there, and they know manufactures arent stupid, they are not going to make their next set of phones with the same hardware, the next generation will be based on newer technology, and then there will also be budget WP7 handsets with 1ghz snapdragon processors.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
"Doomed"
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
When the cost comes down and it's widely available, video calling will be used. Facetime is popular because of its great implementation (Apple's winning formula)

G-sensor and compass is no replacement for a gyroscope. Not even close.

agree

Budget handsets are going to degrade the app market. If I have cutting edge phone, I want cutting-edge apps loaded onto it. Not an app designed for a phone with absolute minimum standards. This was the problem with WM. Most of the apps were designed for the lowest common denominator phones instead of the cutting edge ones.

When any platform hits the market, it needs to be on cutting edge hardware. WP7 hit the market on underwhelming hardware (not talking about processor speed).
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Small Audience

"But given the chance, people will. Why, because people want more. Not everyone, but most people at xda want more."

And that's just my point. People at XDA are a relatively small market and even "most people at XDA" are an even smaller market. "Most people" who are potential customers of WP7 could care less about what is discussed here in these forums. Dual Core vs single core, 1 GHZ vs 800MHZ, ad nauseum. Most people don't care. They want a phone that is fast, smooth and does what they need. We can discuss techno dweeb stuff till the cows come home and it will make no difference to anyone other than us. Why should the OS developers listen to anything we can find to complain about? Most consumers could care less. We are a very small niche market. But if it makes you feel better to find an audience for your complaints, even if it is others who can't do anything to help you, then these forums serve a purpose. All this garbage about OS vs OS and all this hostility is nothing but a "tempest in a teapot" and serves a purpose only between the combatants.

It's a little like a group of ugly teen girls at a sleepover telling each other how pretty they are. Between themselves, it has meaning, to the outside world, it is laughable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
So essentially it should be the iphone except with a UI that doesnt make you cringe then you'll like it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You see where the hostility comes from?

The article is mistaken. Search for yourself. Samsung is pretty much last to show a dual core phone. The OS simply doesn't support it, Microsoft uniformity doesn't allow it.

IF SO, highly doubtful. But if it was a dual core WP7, current devices are ****ed. That every phone gets the update goes right out the window.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
I had a phone with a front facing camera three years ago. Useless piece of technology. I get it, some people would rather hold there phone up for three minutes rather than use the webcam built into a laptop. There are millions of video chatting programs available for Mac OS X/Windows and there is what? One good video chatting app and a bunch of iffy apps. I highly doubt that anyone uses video chatting on their phone on a month basis.

I guess it is true that Apple does a good job at marketing.

I do think that an OEM should release a WP7 phone with 32 GB of internal storage just in case.

Oh and a WP7 superphone. They need a superphone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FL5:
Jeeze... Crazy amounts of hate in here. It's like WP7 ate somebody's dog.

I got a Focus. I like it. Yes, I am very much looking forward to it getting hacked wide open, but for the moment I enjoy that it's a pretty responsive device, and does what it does do very well. Doesn't mean I'm going to join the "it doesn't need to be hacked" camp. I wanna hack this thing's guts out. It is pretty slick out of the box, though. Gotta respect that.

My primary driver in that decision, though, is that I already have several lines tied to AT&T, and am effectively limited to the selection of devices that AT&T subsidizes. For me, that allowed me to pretty quickly narrow it down to a toss-up between the Focus and the Captivate. Honestly, I could have gone either way on it. I'm a slut for Netflix, though, and WP7 already has it, so I went ahead and went with the Focus.

Yeah, my choice came down to Netflix. Silly, I know. Such is life.

Thing is, I didn't go with WP7 because I hate android. I'm really fine with either, and I really don't get how everyone is getting so polarized over this. Sure, I get how people like to feel justified over the purchases that they've made, but bashing the other side just because you don't have both is silly (this goes both ways, guys).

Edit: Also, personally, front facing cameras creep me out. I don't like the webcams that are built into laptops either. I covered mine with tape. Given the choice, if I could get the same device with or without one, I would choose the one without. But then, that's just me and my paranoia.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
I have Android as my backup phone. Just in case I forgot to charge my phone last night.

So I am guessing that you would get a Kinect.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
LOL...yes, it did, it ate my money. Didn't even burp!
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
there is no hate just dont assumn that there is a mistake unless you have facts or source that you would care to share to back up your comment.. why would ms require a min of 1ghz processor and then not support anything higher??? dosent make sence...
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I just now saw the light! MS will solve it by never updating! Dual, treo, quad cores for everyone!
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Well....launching a featureless mobile OS doesn't make sense. I guess MS just doesn't make sense.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
featureless by whos standards yours?? sorry but your opnion is just that yours..
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
And a lot of other people. But speaking of standards, look at the features of every other smartphone on the market and compare. It isn't my opinion, it's an actual and absolute fact.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
Dude, you can't actually be serious. You were the one on here standing up for WP7, preaching patience, saying you were confident it would succeed. Now, in less than a month - because that's the time I've been on this forum - you've changed to say that Windows Phone has failed, will never succeed, and can't compete with other OSes.

Honestly, I think people come on XDA and get pissed about WP7 because XDA is a very small sample size. XDA is for two kinds of people - the kind that tweak their phones because they have to, and the kind that tweak their phones because they want to.

A lot of us here who are satisfied with Windows Phone 7 and are frankly relieved that it works so well to begin with. My Wp7 device handles every task I throw at it with ease. I am glad that I finally have a phone that I don't have to actually expend effort on to use. Finally, I am one of the people in the phone commercials - using the phone as it was intended to be used, without hassles, making my life easier - as opposed to a frustrated, derranged man in front of a computer at 2am trying to free up more RAM to make it better.

Then there are those who buy a Windows Phone device and get pissed off they can't use it to while away the aimless hours with constant hacking and tweaking. They claim that the lack of features offered up by Microsoft is unacceptable. If that's the case, they should have done their research better and read even a single review to find out if any features they find crucial are missing. There's a chance they won't be on the phone for a while. If tethering, true multitasking or turn-by-turn nav are really important to you, it was kind of a bad move buying the phone, wasn't it?

And if you absolutely must aimlessly fiddle with your phone, I imagine that, in time, WP7 will be hacked and ready for that. If you can't wait, you can either buy an Android or iOS device. But for the love of God, to everybody who's bought a Windows Phone 7 device and comes on here complaining about lack of customisation and lack of features, please, please, next time you make a purchase, read a goddamn review.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
Well said.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rockstarar:
wooooah theres a lot of replies! :O

my forum post was why so much hate...
[Windows Phone 7 General] rockstarar:
btw, i just read through all 12 pages, this is turning into a wp7cult vs android cult sorta.

not as bad as some other threads though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ForeverImASpartan:
Thats funny Zuka, because most of the reviews on this phone at launch were about aesthetics. They didnt say **** about how MS was trying to keep us from customizing our experience.

Give us a ****ing break, I read the reviews and bought this damn phone, only to find out that it was a farce. Im not saying WP7 will fail, but I sure as hell dont like how it is right now and as a consumer who paid for the phone, I have EVERY right not to like it and every right to post here because I bought a WP7.

The Windows Phone enthusiasts on this forum are so immature, calling people Fanboys because we arent satisfied with Windows Phone 7. Grow the hell up. You are creating the problem.

Its funny that you people assume that all of us are for Android, I came from a 6 year old phone and jumped straight to WP7 and you know what, compared to Android...Android is better...why? Because I can do whatever I like on this platform. Cry about it.

You know damn well that WP7 could have launched with all the best features, how long were they developing this? If they weren't ready for people to be pissed about not getting why they THOUGHT they paid for, they should have held back on launch and finished putting the features in. What was the purpose of the NON removable SD cards? Not being able to mount as a HD? No ringtones? The reason for completely shutting out WM users who wanted to move their numbers, email accounts...etc over to WP7?

Xbox live and Netflix is nice....err, thats all I can say.