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[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
LG 2X looks sweet but as usual no love for the US for great phones.

The Arc's only advantage over the Atrix is IMO the thinness. ONLY advantage. Some disadvantages and ties elsewhere.
[Atrix 4G General] N8ter:
Not only that, but HTC keeps recycling their phones into new phones... Seriously:

That's a showstopper, right there. Started using this crappy battery with the HD2. Then the Evo 4G. Then the HD7. When will they get the obvious... 1230 is too damn small. But that's what you get for basically using the same basic design across 4 phones, right?

Also, it's a big WVGA screen and it's probably gonna be about as bad as the HD7's screen... Reflective, Washed out Colors, super-poor viewing angles, etc.

The Pixel density will suck compared to the ATRIX 4G.

It has half the RAM and only 33% of internal storage capacity.

From what I'm reading on the AT&T site, it doesn't even have a Dual Core processor.

This phone is nothing more than an HSPA+ Evo 4G for AT&T.

Fail, HTC... Fail.

I wouldn't buy this phone, it's going to be pretty last-gen in the high end smartphone market, IMO.

Sorry, MotoBlur or not. You have to be hypnotized to get this thing over the ATRIX 4G or pretty much any of the new 4G (LTE/HSPA+) phones being released. Even Samsung did better and they really didn't offer anything all that great.
[Atrix 4G General] Bluntz:
I sincerely LOVE the Arc's design.

The advantage of the Arc is using Sony's proven Exemor digital sensor technology - I'm looking forward to impressive pictures. The other advantage is less core os ties: TimeScape/MediaScape ... the former is NOT even mentioned in official press other than a widget and MediaScape may be a full blown app not an OS layer.

Disadvantages:

Single Core CPU ... feels like a mid-tier unit this time around.

SE has more announcements for MWC2011 next month but how long will we NEED to wait for shipping (North American shipping I mean) for Dual-Core cpu unit? Will it be another Xperia X10/Arc design clone or something refreshing?

Motorola Altrix is a SERIOUS surprise ... guns blazing just after the separation. Motorola needed this and deserves the praise.

MAJOR ignorance about this model is .... wait for it ....

VGA front facing camera?! ARE YOU SERIOUS MOTOROLA?! Why?! This is beyond stupid its pure strupid! yes Strupid!!

other than that this has got everything. The Custom ROM for this Gingerbread or 3.0 will be KEY to preserve the desktop/laptop like experience. I dare say the XDA gods here have their work cut out for them doing this one over.

Last: Why is LG the only one to deliver WiDi 2.0 capability?!
[Atrix 4G General] vbetts:
It looks nice, but why Motoblur?! Maybe this phone will have enough juice to run Motoblur and not have sluggish performance.
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
Considering its purpose is to capture an image of someone a couple feet away I'd say it's sufficient.
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
I'm sure it'll run just fine- it's got plenty of power.

If it runs great out of the box (it probably will), other than rooting (For tethering) I really don't see a need for a custom ROM on it.
[Atrix 4G General] MKK:
Atrix vs HTC Inspire specs compared

helpful . . .

http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...vs-Motorola-ATRIX-4G-specs-comparison_id15821
[Atrix 4G General] GameDoctor:
Wow, Motorola put some real effort into this. They needed the boost.

They will have my purchase when it rolls out, and the laptop dock!
[Atrix 4G General] Chad_Petree:
i really like this device but i really hope this 5 mp camera theyre using its A NEW one because the cam on the droid/droid 2 SUCKS :/
[Atrix 4G General] Loosenuts:
From what I've been reading the new dual cores cannot take advantage of the android os. Maybe this will all change after honeycomb and ice cream : )
[Atrix 4G General] Loggerhead87:
The 5mp camera is kind of an oddity for the Atrix. Hopefully it's higher quality than what's out there at the moment, or something. That and motoblur, and ATT. Those are my only complaints. All the other specs are pretty beastly. I wonder how it'll be priced by itself, without the docking accessories.
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
I've got to say out of the three big ones (Inspire, Infuse, Atrix), the HTC Inspire is really old hat. Shame on HTC.

Infuse' only advantage are the cameras (and huge downside being Samsung that makes it). The Atrix has the much bigger battery, higher resolution display, and smaller size.
[Atrix 4G General] Chad_Petree:
i dont get it, why does the atrix have a 5 mp camera and the droid bionic a 8 mp camera? marketing? not wanting to build a "perfect phone" so we buy the atriz upgrade?
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
The Atrix is the first phone I've been truly, truly excited about in quite some time. I'm itching for a release date and price. I think this is just huge.

It's not the sexiest device, physically. That said, the internals and specs are just astounding.
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
I am bummed about the camera on the Atrix but that's why I have a little Canon 12MP with Image Stabilization ;)

I don't expect anything more than "in a pinch" photos from a camera phone, anyway ("hey I want to see progress on the house, send me a pic real quick"). Anyone who whines and complains about camera quality from a cell phone is just LOL........ I agree we should improve the tech where we can but I'd hardly consider it a deal breaker.
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
Have to agree on the cameras. It's often said people focus too much on MP anyway. I'm sure the quality is still pretty decent for a phone. I snap a few pics when out with mine, but I've got a serious camera when I need serious pictures.

What if a phone had a killer 18MP camera...but sucked as a...phone? I'd rather have a great phone with acceptable image quality.
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
The camera on the Captivate (not the best, but OK) is fine with me. It does quite well.

Just using it to snap MMS photos, photos of what I'm doing, things like that- that's all I need it for.

If I know I'm going to be taking photos and want quality (trip, work, selling stuff, etc), I want a real camera.
[Atrix 4G General] lolmensch:
dunnow if anybody told you that but more mpixel does not mean better quality. it is probably making the picture even worse because the sensor is just too small and does not have enough space for all those pixels...
[Atrix 4G General] shawn1224:
So which would you prefer, 8MP camera or extra 512MB RAM ... I think it's a no brainer.

I can finally upgrade my POS MYtouch3G for the Atrix4G (A real gamer changer)
[Atrix 4G General] sublimaze:
2011... the year verizon finally gets the iphone (meh), while at&t gets the atrix (which can also transmorgrify into a netbook). i guess i won't bail on at&t just yet

sent from the midget in mah belly
[Atrix 4G General] txtsd:
Will xda offer support for the Atrix?
[Atrix 4G General] thepoetvd776:
Hopefully the atrix will run on t-mobile
[Atrix 4G General] KLoNe1:
Hopefully it will be release unlocked! WILL IMPORT TO AUSTRALIA FOR SURE! :eek:
[Atrix 4G General] jz9833:
I'm thinking about ditching my HD7 for this thing. Everything it has is completely awesome, but does anyone know if it has LTE? I've been reading conflicting reports about this. If it does have it, I'm completely sold.
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
On what? The Atrix? Motorola clearly advertises it as a 4G device.

http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/U...d-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-ATRIX-US-EN
[Atrix 4G General] Chad_Petree:
or both , its silly that the droid bionic has an 8 mp i wwill say it again PURE marketing , so that we dont have the ”perfect ” device
[Atrix 4G General] jz9833:
4G also means HSPA+ which AT&T also has...

I just read the Moto page again, NO LTE.

"4G speeds delivered by HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul"

Unfortunately that might be a deal killer for me but we'll see
[Atrix 4G General] jchap2k:
That site says what I have been hearing: That the 4G is for HSPA+, which is basically HSDPA but with 2 antennas (MIMO technology). Thats why the downlink speed is 2x normal HSDPA, which used a single antenna.

It does not have LTE support from what I have read or seen. I could have missed some link or article, but thats my understanding.
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
Why would it be a deal killer? It's still a stellar phone.
[Atrix 4G General] jz9833:
i'd have to switch contracts again and still know there is something else faster. I left at&T to go to t-mobile for the n1, that broke so i got a vibrant (awful phone), then i bought an hd7 off contract. After spending all that money i wouldnt want anything else unless it was LTE becasue that is the feature of not just mobile net but probably internet in general.
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
I wouldn't rely on LTE until at least another year.

It sucks indoors and has very little coverage.

It's a cool plus if the phone and network supports it but it's definitely not something that would be a deal breaker for me.
[Atrix 4G General] AntonJart:
Every good phone goes anywhere, but not to T-Mobile. All crap phones are on T-Mobile now, including Nexus S
[Atrix 4G General] WMCollins:
I would prefer a better front-facing camera. It is only .31-megapixel. Also, the main camera is only 5-megapixel instead of 8-megapixel.
[Atrix 4G General] Chaptop:
Camera really isn't that big of a deal breaker to me.

The quality of the camera is not judged based on the MP, that just allows you to zoom in further and further. If it is made with a very good lense, 5MP shouldn't be an issue.

What bugs me, however, is motoblur.

I hate hate hate hate hate it. Not only that, but I loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee sense, which makes me have an inner nerd-fight. The specs war says Atrix, but the UI war says sense.

As for the new network it will run on... I really don't care, lol. Once you get above 3mbps transfer rate, at least on a phone, the speed really doesn't matter. Unless you are going to be doing a lot of video chatting, it's just not something that's going to matter, especially for the people who are going to be signing up for the first time with 2gb data plans (unless AT&T is going to re-structure their "4G" network pricing to allow for unlimited data once again).

I feel like price may be the biggest issue. If AT&T decides to go 299 w/2yr contract on the Atrix, I won't even consider it. I think it may be a big mistake too, as the general public doesn't see Android as the big wow factor that iPhone is... yet at least.
[Atrix 4G General] Nastrodamous:
People keep hyping dual cores, but at the end of the day it will will offer no significant advantage until apps and OS's are written for the, by this time next year dual cores maybe worth buying, but then again thats why you only sign one year contracts.
[Atrix 4G General] addicus:
T Mobile USA's HSPDA+ speeds are higher than any of the US LTE networks, more widespread and falls back to a widespread 3G network. They are coming out with a lot of 4G phones this year so I wouldn't fret about being "stuck" just yet. If you don't believe me on the speed go to www.tmonews.com and start reading up on it.
[Atrix 4G General] addicus:
Must agree. A dual core Tegra is all the rage and what I've been wishing for, but if the OS doesn't really let it get used it's just a waste of high speck. Kind of like the HD2 being capable of 720p video but WM6.5 unable to take advantage of it. Run WP7 on it and voila - 720p video.

I've never seen Android make an such a big upgrade jump (may be wrong), 2.3 isn't rumored to do it and Honeycomb is for tablets. Buying these high powered phones are more for bragging rights (nothing wrong with that) than actual usable technology step ups. Not hating. Just saying.
[Atrix 4G General] zedmec:
hopefully motoblur can be disabled and removed

most likely my next phone
[Atrix 4G General] nkrick:
In one of the video's on Engadget, the Moto rep explains that the webtop is essentially a separate Linux boot/partition that remains running (probably suspended) in the background after the initial boot/setup. It is also mentioned that it is the Linux boot that can take full advantage of the dual core CPU. I agree that dual core doesn't matter for android, but dual core in a Linux OS running on a phone makes a lot of sense.
[Atrix 4G General] zedmec:
on the dual core topic, even without that apps supporting it dual core will allow your "active app" to use 1 core with nothing else bothering it and the other core will keep "background apps" churning away

also the cpu should clock down more often as the load will be split between two cores, better battery life

once apps start being written for multi core then you will see large improvements in speed
[Atrix 4G General] deekjx:
I'm curious of source on LTE sucking indoors? It's in the 700MHz band which should function better than any other currently available band in terms receiving a signal indoors. It also has a lot less competing signals in that range currently.

LTE service from Verizon is currently moving on schedule. Their road map has LTE everywhere EV-DO is currently available now by 2013.

I was able to drive from Mississippi to Florida streaming Pandora on the Verizon network and never once had an interruption that whole time. I couldn't maintain a call on AT&T's network, just driving from one area of town to another area when I was on their network. I will say, that about 4-5 months before I left AT&T, their service did improve. I had very few drops. That being said, I have Verizon for the last 8 months and have yet to drop a call because of my carrier.

aka, I have run out of battery, and I have had drop while talking to friends using iPhones (AT&T network currently).

Despite all that, this phone is really really tight. I'd love to have these options on the bionic but from my understanding, they will be exclusive to the Atrix. AT&T will have the best phone in my opinion for a while if you like/need the netbook functionality. Having it all in one device is super nice. Especially when you add that the webtop charges the phone with its own 8 hour battery. I believe its 8 hours, I'll have to fact check that.
[Atrix 4G General] thetechman123:
Hi I'm goin to be buying the Atrix wen it comes out because it's going to be a beast of a phone but I have a few questions.

1. Is it possible to make webtop into a ubuntu interface but still keep all the feature that let it interact with the phone (like the phone window, notifications, copy and paste, multimedia interface, phone calls, ect.)

2. If the ubuntu interface mentioned above is possible could it be integrated into a ROM like CyanogenMod7?

3. And does the Atrix have HSPA+ and LTE or just HSPA+?
[Atrix 4G General] Rastor:
It would be nice to have a full Ubuntu system but that will require rooting/hacking, Motorola only wants you to have two packages (Firefox and Citrix Receiver). I expect it is possible IF the device can be rooted.

Atrix is not an LTE phone.
[Atrix 4G General] jz9833:
I'm sorry but i live in Houston (4th largest city in the US) and I still always fall to edge and i work in downtown... T-mobile has it followers who stand by it, but after over a years worth of use, I miss AT&T.
[Atrix 4G General] sn0pzer:
You even forgot to mention that it's got a fingerprint reader :eek:

Pure awesomeness!! :D
[Atrix 4G General] meta96:
... forget about the bootloader

Mark (Forums Manager) (Employee) @John/Dombera

Kevin* is providing all the information available to him at this time. The only other information that is publicly available is http://www.motorola.com/atrix. As more information becomes available regarding our stance on Bootloaders it will be shared here on Facebook and Motorola Forums. I wouldn't assume the Atrix has an unlocked bootloader until we say otherwise.

Mark

Motorola Mobility US Facebook Support

*MotoXprts, though very knowledgeable about our phones, are not employees.

>> source "motorola facebook, 25.01.2011"
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
My personal assumption is the bootloader may not be unlocked, but that it would not necessarily have the same eFuse as we've seen before. That's my hope at least!
[Atrix 4G General] sn0pzer:
Well, they did say that they are "working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.", so I am still hoping. :)

(source: http://phandroid.com/2011/01/19/motorola-apologizes-for-pr-gaffe-promises-better-bootloader-policy/)
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
Hence my middle ground. Unlocked would be great, eFuse would suck. I'd settle for the middle ground of "locked, but hackable/unlockable/flashable".
[Atrix 4G General] zedmec:
i'd be happy with the HTC like solution

locked but "unlockable / crackable"

void the support of software since it is not their software anymore

fix/replace my phone if hardware is not functional

if returning the device to stock config and issue is still there then fix/replace my phone
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
I'd like to see it be handled like Dell does on desktops. Create a tiny partition with an image of the stock, untouched data. Lock it down, no access to anyone to change anything. PLay with your PC all you like. Get a virus, a trojan, malware, whatever. DUring the boot process, hit a key combination, select "restore to factory settings" and then do it all over again.

Why does it have to be different for mobile phones? Gimme a bootloader that can be unlocked. If you're so worried about warranty replacements and wasted time because (an incredibly small percentage of) people flash custom ROMs, then create a small partition with a full factory stock image.
[Atrix 4G General] panflute:
Atrix features

There are a few that may not have been answered in this thread.

I have the Samsung Captivate so that is what I am comparing to.

1. Is the Atrix RAM faster or the same?

2. How does the display compare to the Captivate which is nicely saturated?
[Atrix 4G General] panflute:
One more thing

What is Motoblur?

Why do people not like it?

Can it be uninstalled?
[Atrix 4G General] PuerkitoBio:
Motoblur is Motorola's TouchWiz, if you will. It's their "customized" version of Android, with widgets and other stuff added on top of the "stock" Android. I don't know why people don't like it, or if this statement is true, I believe it is closer to the truth to say that people don't like manufacturer's skins, they want the stock ANdroid experience. It can be uninstalled if (IF) the phone can be unlocked, so that custom ROMs (without Motoblur) can be installed. That's something we probably won't know until the phone is released and the dev community starts hacking it.
[Atrix 4G General] qkall:
this may sound stupid... but why couldn't you just use a third party launcher (zeam, launcherpro?) as the default launcher?
[Atrix 4G General] PuerkitoBio:
This would replace (parts of) MotoBlur, but not uninstall it. And as far as I know, there is a little more to MotoBlur than the widgets/home screen skin (such as tools to find lost phone, backup, etc.). And there's the bloatware too, though this is not, technically, MotoBlur. This is usually the carrier pre-loading some apps as "added-value" (!).
[Atrix 4G General] panflute:
Motoblur

Ok thanks. Sounds like I can bypass it with Launcher Pro which I currently use on my Captivate and love it and "stock android" froyo is also what I have and that is fine. The bigger question is porting over all my installed apps to the new phone. I have Titanium backup, but some of the apps require rooted phone and some are bloatware so it seems I'll have to goto marketplace and install one by one. I have 354 apps total to date.

I heard Best Buy will be selling the phone on Feb 17th, no price announced. I went to AT&T yesterday and they have no info although the phone is now on their website.

I hope AT&T does not disable the FM radio.

After 6 weeks of work I have my Captivate running pretty cool. It will be a pain in the butt to do it all over again on a new phone, but that is what we do I guess

))
[Atrix 4G General] vido.ardes:
Titanium backup requires root itself
[Atrix 4G General] panflute:
Titanium BU

Yeah I know. It's OK I'll find another backup program and someone will root the Atrix eventually. I was at Best Buy today. Estimated time of delivery for the Atrix is Thursday, Feb 10th (not the 17th). No price set yet (the salesman said it won't be cheap) but thats a week earlier than expected. I am watching the youtube videos and the more I see the more I like it. Still wondering about the speed of the RAM. I have a ton of things running on the Captivate and free RAM after a reboot is about 130 MB which goes down some after running certain programs so the extra available RAM in the Atrix will be a good thing.
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
I'd guess the week for training and familiarity with the product, preparation of displays, ensuring product on hand in the event of shipping issues/delays/etc. I'd bet the Atrix will arrive in their stores around the 10th, and actual sales won't start for at least a few days, probably a week or so. I'm not too familiar with Best Buy's specific policies and usual methods, but that's my two cents.
[Atrix 4G General] PuerkitoBio:
Though Motorola themselves are saying "end of February" for the release date... When does "end" begins, that's up for debate! :)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/26/motorola-atrix-4g-and-xoom-tablet-launching-at-the-end-of-februa/
[Atrix 4G General] berlintzen:
Is Android ready for duel-core CPU? And is the software optimization ready for the phone? I hope the phone can use both cores of the CPU for its performance, and single core for standby.....
[Atrix 4G General] SoberGuy:
I don't think it will be a major issue. With the number of devices planned that will run on a dual core, I'm willing to bet El goog has helped out with optimization for dual core processors, complete win hardware acceleration. Will it perfect or ideal? Probably not. But I think it will be better than some seem to think.

Sent from my Sexy Nexy, courtesy of the fine developers of Tapatalk
[Atrix 4G General] panflute:
Developer Video

Here is a video featuring an introduction and Q&A segment on the Atrix. Lots of info not found anywhere else:

http://www.androidthoughts.com/news/show/102353/25-minutes-on-the-motorola-atrix.html

Here are more articles:

http://android.appmobilize.com/mobi...trix-4g-to-compete-with-xoom-and-droid-bionic

Here is an article focusing on the RAM issues

http://www.onlinesocialmedia.net/20110117/dual-core-processor-phones-why-all-the-fuss/

http://www.gforgames.com/gadgets/news-gadgets/motorola-droid-bionic-512mb-ram-isue-3324/
[Atrix 4G General] mikeku:
all the same

Whatever name you may give it, all htc look alike .... can't tell diference evo hd2 hd2 ... same crap diferent name ...
[Atrix 4G General] LockeCPM4:
Yep. This is the HD2/EVO 4G device. HTC needs to STOP rehashing the same ol hardware. Throw a better CPU/GPU in that thing and we might have a winner.
[Atrix 4G General] mgymnop:
And a FFC please....

But I will go for the Atrix anyway...HTC quality is not very good lately...so I will give Motorola a chance;-) and ATT....bye T-mobile.
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
WVGA screen? Yuck.

The battery, RAM, display, processing power... These all are the same crap we've seen for a year now. I'm sorry but HTC seems to be putting minimal effort into it.
[Atrix 4G General] vinay427:
The good thing about HSPA+ over Verizon's LTE (they're both rolled out in my area) is that HSPA+ will end up with far more coverage, quicker, because of the relatively easy upgrade process. However, when At&t switches to LTE, they'll end up being quite far behind Verizon.
[Atrix 4G General] bww003:
In the past month I went from the captivate, to the inspire, and I now have the atrix. great phone.
[Atrix 4G General] jiggytom:
Holy thread ressurection batman!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dhnz:
I have a i9000t.

Looking to speed up my phone more.

I have Darkys 7.8 & Voodoo O/C kernel on my phone atm.

Are there others that will work?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
Yes look at the roms posts.

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=665

jje