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[Windows Phone 7 General] Zedox:
So you read reviews.

You bought the phone knowing what it had.

And knowing full well what the platform is capable of, you **** on it because it's not like Android.

I don't like pointing out other OS's, Android is good for what it does as iOS. I don't like the platforms compared to what WP7's offering but that's my choice. What it seems to me about your statements is that you knew very well what the OS was capable of and you still bought it and you ***** about it because it's not like another platform. I want to ask seriously why you bought WP7, but I feel that it will be irrelevant anyways.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vbetts:
Because the people who used it and didn't like it, automatically label it as a terrible OS.

There is a difference in a terrible OS, and an OS/phone that doesn't suite what you want and need in a phone. Examples, Windows ME was a terrible OS. Anyone who's computer savvy would tell you that. Exploits galore, bad compatibility, and not responsive at all. Os X is a decent OS. But compared to Windows, it's not as versatile in its uses.

Another example. I'll use my opinion on this. I'm not a fan of the Blackberry OS. It doesn't suite what I wanted in a phone. But do I think it's a bad OS? No. It's a business phone OS, so it's not made to be flashy. It's made to multitask, multitask quickly, email, and easy to navigate. Done. Blackberry phones themselves are usually pretty sturdy phones.

Just because you didn't like the OS, doesn't mean that it's bad for everyone else.

I like WP7. Hell, when WP7 comes to Sprint, and flash support is there I'm probably gonna jump ship back onto Sprint again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
Okay. First of all, calm down. Second of all, every major OS review of Wp7 I've read - Engadget, Anandtech, CNet - all mentioned that customisation was limited. I just don't understand how you could be blind to that fact going into the purchase if you'd have done your research.

If you hate the phone that bad, sell it and buy an android device. But getting cranky on this forum because custimisation is limited - something that was well known before launch - seems to me to be the fault of the buyer. Sorry you don't like your phone, but yelling about it here doesn't seem that constructive. Which, I think, is the point of this thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vbetts:
I think the UI of WP7 is pretty good. I'd like user wallpapers in the home screen, but I can live with black. :D

For people saying that Windows Phone 7 lacks a lot of features that other OSes have, I'll give it to you on the copy and paste. That should be standard in a Smart phone OS. But things like bluetooth file transfer, or drag and drop, or side load apps you really don't need. Most of the people I sell phones to only use bluetooth for a headset, if they use it at all. A lot of people are used to having an app on your computer to sync media and what not, or don't do it at all on their phone. Plus there's one big advantage to Itunes and Zune. Both Itunes and Zune compress your media files or convert them to save space and give quality if needed. Drag and drop doesn't. Side loading apps, again most people I sell phones to don't even realize you can do it.

So the real question is why have features when probably (don't take this guess to heart, it's only a guess.) 2/5 of the people know about the features, and 1/5 of the people actually use the features? 10 people wanting their phone to have a conversation with them isn't enough to actually put it in the os.

I'll agree with Zuka, if you don't like it then sell it. It's not the end of the world because you can't change an icon on your screen, buyers remorse.

My reason though for wanting to go WP7, because there's probably 1 company out there that has delivered it's updates and support their phones with no issues, and that's HTC. Their phones perform great, they receive regular updates and patches, and they commit to updates. Samsung can't get a decent update out on time to save their life, nor can they get their hardware working right, Motorola has the motoblur crap that also has a bunch of bloatware that slows down the phone, LG is just kind of there...And Sony doesn't know what the hell they're doing with their Android lineup. The x10 was suppose to get 2.2, but it's only officially going to have 2.1. A Snapdragon device on 2.1. That's another issue that we're seeing more and more. A new version of Android is coming out almost every year, even less than that. HTC could have easily put Froyo on the Hero, but chose not to. Samsung could have done it with the Spica, Behold II, and the Moment. But instead they abandoned them. I shouldn't have to buy a new phone every year to get official support from my carrier and the phone manufacture. Hell, Verizon is cutting out the early year upgrading.

Yeah, you can root your phone and receive community updates. I've got Gingerbread running on my Evo right now. But I shouldn't be expected to root my phone, possibility break it, and have my warranty voided just to get a few fixes and updates, or in some cases for the phone to work right. Plus, the community isn't going to replace my phone if the phone breaks during and update, or if it's lost, stolen, or broken. I like WP7 because it's simple, and there's nothing wrong with that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ForeverImASpartan:
Clearly you didn't listen to me. I was coming from a 6 year old phone. I'd never owned a smartphone before so I started reading reviews and found out about the HD7 before it came out. None of the reviews said anything about customization AT ALL. According to the reviews, the phone was great, it hard good hardware, ran smoothly and was capable of netflix which was a selling point for me.

I did not know that I couldn't set a wallpaper on the home screen or have my own ringtones. I found that out after I bought it. The phone is nice but I'm already tired of the OS, there isn't much to it and I have to wait half a year for MS to make it worth my time?

I would have said the same thing about how bad Android was when it first launched but luckily I was still using an old school phone.

MS had PLENTY of time to have the kinks out and they deliberately left features out of the phone. If wanted a phone with little features, I would have kept my LG Vu. And I am not ****ting on the OS. I'm making an observation as a damn consumer,not someone who doesn't own a WP7.

Excuse the hell out of me for not being satisfied!

Call me an Android fanboy because you enthusiasts cant respect the opinions of a fellow buyer and you complain about people coming here and attacking you? Haha.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fixxxer2008:
because alot of people feel wp7 is very unfinished and was rushed out. im actually glad i just heard microsoft may allow custom themeing on the phone in the near future. the os is too locked down atm. most of us are used to themeing and flashing custom roms. im keeping close tabs on wp7 and it's progress on xda, until then ill stick to android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
Most of the people that have tried WP7 are most likely Android users and they apparently care a lot about customization.

I prefer webOS over Android. Unfortunately, I don't have that option.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vbetts:
That still doesn't change my response.

Maybe because customizing the UI isn't a main point of WP7. You don't have to read reviews on that, if it was that important to you, you should have looked it up.

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/reviews/2010/10/windows-phone-7-the-ars-review.ars/13

By the way, the Gizmondo review stated there was a problem with Netflix on WP7 right now.

http://gizmodo.com/5668738/windows-phone-7-review

You didn't look information very well on WP7 then. It's been all over the net for awhile what you can and cannot change in WP7.

So complain because the OS is young and still being built up? Okay.

Most of the kinks are out, you can't always have it 100% working. No matter what platform is out there, there are issues, then there are unseen issues. The Iphone had the new year bug. But again, I'll go back to my point about the features.

Most of the features were leaked awhile ago too, but to sum it up why have features that a minority will use? I also never said you were ****ting on the OS, I'm saying what I've seen in general here on these forums, and at work. The OS is still new, still growing. It's not made to have flashy live wallpapers like Android, or a bubbly interface like ios or Webos. Simple, simplicity.

I don't care that you're satisfied or not. I actually wasn't pointing my earlier post to you. Just said if you didn't like the phone, sell it and buy an Android device. There are features on there.

I'm not though. Look at my signature. If you don't like the phone, okay. I haven't been following your posts so I don't know what you really said before. If you said that the OS is crappy, that's where my earlier post comes in. The difference in a crappy os, versus an os that doesn't suite your wants and needs. As for attacking, there is no need for that. That doesn't make you look any better or smarter.

Like I also said before, I like WP7 because it's simple. I don't need to root it or anything like that to fix an issue, or make it work. If you really didn't like the phone, you had 14 days to take it back. Which is stated in your contract, and if the tmobile rep is decent enough he/she would have told you that. 14 days is plenty amount of time to decide if you want the phone or not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vbetts:
Also, rule of thumb. First thing you do after looking up reviews for a product, look to see what the community who have used the product has to say about it. All the features, and what it doesn't feature. This site is one of them. Even blogs like Engadget has what WP7 lacks, and what it has.

http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=Windows+Phone+7&sort=
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
The whole anger comes from the fact that WP7 seems like a great OS.

But after using it for some time you meet stupid and annoying limitations which are a big surprise AD 2010. People and market are different than 5 or 3 years ago.

Now users want more than before.

But even more annoying is the fact that the whole WP7 has terrible inconsistiencies however it makes impression it doesn't. Like limitations with sync, with Skydrive etc.

Now we kind of see some roadmap of updates for it and looks like we would have to wait like 8 or 10 months to have it more functional? These days it's like a bad joke I think.

Today I found that Bing on my device in my country is totally useless because it doesn't find anything I want. Marketplace and many other local features are not supported in my country.

And I have NO idea when will they be supported, however the phone is purchased legally, in official shop and it's also official on MS site.

So we end up with a promise, great working promie, without any knowledge when and what. To be honest the initial great feeling starts to be replaced slowly by another disappointment.

My thoughts are slowly flowing around going back to WM, or just jump to Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
And this is how it should be. A smart consumer that is actually paying attention to what he buys.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FTC:
....this is like how I was using my WM and Android devices....Yes, it was fun but I dont really want to go back to this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGDWH6lvpLg

FTC
[Windows Phone 7 General] wheresmybeaver:
Most xda users are power users, and power users are not the priority with the first relese of this OS. So the xda power users are very unhappy campers and are not being fair IMO! XDA does not in any way reflect the installed base of WP7 users.

Microsoft naturally care more about how normal smartphone users experience the phone, and less about the power users. This is fair, since power users are only a tiny percentage of all consumers and have a reputation for being slightly demanding and irrational ("I DEMAND A GIANT ANALOG CLOCK IN THE SHAPE OF A VELOCIRAPTOR ON MY HOMESCREEN AND I WILL DDOS MICROSOFT UNTIL THEY INTRODUCE THIS BASIC FEATURE!!!!1!1")

The reality is that Windows Phone 7 has been extremely well received. AT&T has said recently that their users are extremely happy with the platform, and 9 out of 10 would recommend WP7 to a friend. And in terms of advanced features like copy / paste, multitasking etc, you have to understand that an amazingly large proportion of smartphone users rarely use these features, if they even use or understand them at all.

Microsoft still of course will cater for the power users, but never at the expense of the normal users. We will get copy / paste, we will get multitasking, we will get tethering and theming and socket support and so forth, but the number one priority for now is a good user experience. And WP7 has delivered on this with the first release.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Backup

My FUZE is still on the charger for that very same reason. If I become tired of WP7 (I have not used it as long as you have), I can pop the SIM out of the Focus and into my FUZE with WM 6.5.5.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Well Said

You said in one post what I have been trying to say in many, and far better. We are indeed a minority and MS will not make money catering to us, they must address the majority of their target customers. We are having a hard time with that, those of us on XDA who are "power users", and that is not all of us on XDA by the way. MS has not addressed our needs and we resent that. But I am sure MS would rather endure our resentment than fail to address their largest potential market.
[Windows Phone 7 General] loomx:
Eugh, alot of peoples bigger arguments, are based on guestimates, like saying there wont be dual core processors and certain things wont be updated.

MS have added support for another processor in the next update. The iPhone managed to keep the app store working fine with different processors

Android, sort of manages.

Why wouldnt WP7 manage?

Stop making up aguments based on random things you have picked out of the air.

No other phone OS has a minimum spec as of yet, so having a minimum spec at all is a step forwards!
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
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[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I'm with the OP. He asked a simple question, now there are 14 pages of flame. WP7 doesn't do this, should do that...

It's becoming harder and harder to actually read the WP7 forums on XDA for people *****ing about everything.

We should just have a "WP7 Arguing" forum and let you guys have it out in there so we can get back to what we're supposed to be doing - hacking the **** out of a closed OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strutten:
I'm sorry for going OT, but is there any way to ignore certain posters in this forum?
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Go to your User CP and in Settings & Options choose Edit Ignore List.

If I helped click the Thanks button
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
Not to be a total ass (just half of one), but if you had made an educated decision you would have known that their was no foreign language support, no copy and paste and no custom ring tones because Microsoft made it clear this was the case before the first phone was even sold. Your disappointment is of your own discord. Microsoft didn't paint a lie to the world or lie you personally. You didn't do the proper research when buying a shiny new toy. If you want to retort that you feel a proper smartphone OS should have this you are well within your rights, but to complain and then bash WP7 because it disappointed you is both wrong and improper in this case.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That would be inaccurate. MS lead the public to believe the system would be updated regularly and let everyone believe the system would quickly get the missing features. I, too, was well informed about WP7 from the beginning. But even I had no clue how conservative the updates would be. The main thing was that MS would be doing the updating rather than the carriers.

It isn't the posters fault...the one you replied to, nor anyone else's, for expecting a much better experience with WP7. MS lead all of us to believe this was a world-class new mobile OS. It isn't. And what's worse, it won't be at least another year, if even then.
[Windows Phone 7 General] imaginarynumber:
whilst I haven't purchased a WP yet I do have some sympathy for those who have purchased one and found that it doesn't live up to their expectations.

There was a lot of speculation about features and imminent updates when the handsets were released. Some of these were from MS- eg. the phones will support tethering, no they wont, yes they will but at the discretion of the carriers. To make matters worse some carriers, eg T-Mob UK evidently hadn't trained their staff- on day 1 I rang them to ask if tethering was available and I was told that it was, the next day I web chatted via thier support site and was fed the same false info.

Frankly I would like to see an official update roadmap. Mobile phones are different to most other types of hardware in that you have to sell your soul for upto two years in order to get a subsidised price. Some of the disgruntled owners might have reached the end of their current contract at the time of launch, been aware of some of the shortcomings but believed the hype regarding updates.

Their experiences are still valid even if they were misguided.

The fact that you dont agree with them doesn't give you the right to be rude to them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeken:
If WP7 won't be catered to us then won't this site move towards Android? I can't see it having much of a future here with all of their security restrictions.

Even though they were not catering towards Power Users what was their logic behind some of their restrictions? Like the SD Card debacle. How did they think this was a good move? I really don't get it. Android can really go after them by offering expandable storage. Who would take a phone with a limited 8-16gb worth of storage when they can get an Android that can offer up to 48gb. And furthermore if a customer had a choice between an iPhone or WP why would they even consider a WP? What advantages does it offer over the iPhone? Nothing I can really think of.

I wish I could sit down with some of these executives at the WP7 team and ask them their reasoning behind some of their moves.
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
This is a great post. Very clear on why you don't like the OS.

I would like to state that a lot of the hate for the WP is from the people selling it. The sales reps give it no love. They don't even know how to use it. They keep it locked up and hidden away. They did the same thing with the Windows Mobile devices. 8 times out of 10 if you go into a store and ask about their WP devices they will immediately attempt to switch you to an Android phone. Ask them about the features on the Windows Phone and they can't answer a damn thing. I sat there and played with an HD7 for 30 minutes. It immediately found my bluetooth stereo headphones and made it AD2P, something my HD2 still won't do (AD2P automatically that is). The system was smooth and easy. Emails were easy to get to. Contacts were the same etc... Zune worked great and gaming was simply fabulous.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
Alotta people say wp is not aimed at the typical xda users but ignore the fact that is supposed to be an upgrade from 6.5 & there is no new hardware coming to wm so its gonna get called out for it short comings. I dont want wp to fail. I just want it include the features that even my cheap motorola cell has. I just think ms is still gonna be playin catchup for awhile. If ms wouldve marketed & supported wm as its doing wp now there would be no wp imo. Even b4 the wp was annouced I would always see commercials saying get this app for ur android or iphone. I know its about the money but with wp ms is pushing the few loyal wm fans they had to android. I havent played with android really to form an opinion yet but hardware & os wise its looking pretty tempting. I also know ms is trying to get people outta being scared of the windows brand itself but going the super dumbphone routes is silly imo. Ive done enough customer service to know u cant fix stupid & force patience. Ive had customers freak out trying add a contact on cheap nokia.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FTC:
...you call it a dead system...but haven't you noticed that you are almost the only one here? And why don't you apply for a job at Microsoft to show those multi billion losers what to do and how to run the business....? :rolleyes:

FTC
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
Lqaddict - if they weren't going to make a profit at it they wouldn't have done it. They could have simply waited.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
I gotta disagree on that part. There are alotta media player cells these days. Some people may not userstand the different type of bt profiles & microsd classes etc but I gotten plenty of calls about file transerring. Its kinda hard to sell cust on a os that support sds card but doesnt at the same time especially when their old razr does.
[Windows Phone 7 General] loomx:
Speed increase sounds substantial on the programs that needed the drop in loading time.

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-32254_1-20027850-283.htm

and...

File transfer, anyone?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12359/sendtowp7desktop.png

http://www.daveamenta.com/sendtowp7desktop/
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I am not saying they are not making profit on it, the whole discussion was revolving around different CPU's support, and currently WP7 only supports Qualcomm first gen Snapdragon only. I am not saying it will not support anything else with a substantial software update, but we are talking about the current state of affairs. And my point why setting the strict hardware requirements for the software could lead to the incompatibility issues with the future releases is reflected earlier.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Actually, I believe I could do a lot better job at managing at least the WP7 part. I guarantee if I was in charge, every single WP7 phone would have every available feature on it that is common in the current market. As soon as the competition came out with a new feature, within a month WP7 would have it and it would be on every WP7 phone in the world. There would be world-wide language and voice nav support also. The Market would be a world-wide market as well. I guarantee every WP7 adopter would at least be content with the features.

And as the leader at MS, Fridays would be party day. Free beer and gourmet food on that day every week. And secretly some smoke. ;) My employees would be loving their work and the whole friggin industry would be swarming MS to work there, rather than the miserable crap they are currently putting up with.

And lastly...there would be absolute truth in mission statement. I would make damn sure the public knew exactly and precisely the state of WP7. It would be a consumer's phone rather than a company's phone. The prime focus would be on customer satisfaction rather than money.

The Japanese were taught, after WW2 when America sent business leaders to Japan to put the nation back together and make it economically viable, that money is not the goal of work. Money is the due of work. The focus wasn't on making money. It was on doing quality and ethical work. To some it might seem counterproductive to not make money the primary focus in a business. But it is a proven method of economic stability. When you have focus on quality products and conscientious work, you have both high quality and pleasing products plus money. When your focus is only about making money, you have ****ty products and little money.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
You just described another company :)

Actually, ms employees are treated really good. It is the company's philosophy that needs an overhaul.

Sent from my Nero powered Vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] thegreenmachine:
No, what we need is Bill Gates back in action. Steve Ballmer is a re-re.
[Windows Phone 7 General] loomx:
The 50 odd % increase in shares must be a fluke then lol