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[Fascinate General] iofthestorm:
Damn, I was kind of figuring that might be the case because of Samsung's funky bluetooth drivers. Well, the main reason I got this and not a Droid 2 was I figured I could just use a bluetooth keyboard whenever I really needed one (ssh mainly) but it seems like in reality I don't do stuff that needs a keyboard too much. But then I also found out about the encrypted bootloader and I figured I can trust the community to update my device longer than the manufacturer, and I think I made the right decision on that front, because at this point it looks like we'll see Gingerbread before the Droid 2 does. Ah, whatever, like I said, the Fascinate is already quite awesome and any further updates can only make it better. I guess at the end of the day Froyo will come eventually and people will browse flash sites for a day and get bored of it quickly.

Snapdragon is significantly different from Cortex A8 architecture wise. It's more optimized for floating point math which might or might not be important depending on the task. It also has a longer pipeline which is a very code dependent optimization. For benchmarks like Quadrant, if you look at the graph the Nexus One without Froyo vs with Froyo is a huge difference, but something like the Droid 2 or Fascinate with a Cortex A8 is somewhere in the middle on Quadrant, and Froyo makes little difference. All this shows is that benchmarks are not representative of real world use (but hey, we know that well with the OCLF and all that). But the point is that when you're writing a JIT, you might want to hand tune the assembly to be optimized for a specific microarchitecture, and in Froyo's JIT is more optimized specifically for the Scorpion core in Snapdragon. It'll still make stuff faster on other architectures, but it makes the biggest difference with Snapdragon, which was kind of weak without it.

I forgot that Froyo also includes the V8 javascript engine as Falcyn mentioned, which allows Google Docs Mobile finally, so that's nice too. So it's a nice bump, but definitely nothing to get worked up about.
[Fascinate General] rw9:
Here's the way I see it:

1. Verizon doesn't care about the phone because it's a Galaxy S line and as such isn't exclusive to them like the Droid family. Notice the lack of advertisement and updates...

2. Samsung doesn't care about the phone because Verizon hasn't bothered to help push the phone out of their stores.

The result of 1 and 2 is that neither side is going to hurry up and push out updates in a timely matter. Look how quickly the Droid, Droid 2, Droid Inc., and Droid X have received updates. All are on 2.2.1 or higher if I'm not mistaken. Verizon and Motorola are on eachother's nutz and the result is that those devices will receive preference. Everyone else is left to play catchup. The HTC made Droid Inc. is only an exeption because they've made it exclusive to Verizon and have dubbed it a "Droid" family device.

Unfortunately for Samsung, in their quest for glory they released a similar device to every carrier and put them under a common product family (ie Galaxy S). Problem is that carriers are now left trying to make their devices "special." But they really can't. So the consumer is left with a step child that nobody wants to claim as their own.

Bottom line is that if DJ05, DL09, or even Froyo drop on Monday, it'll probably leave more wanting on the table than any of us wants to talk about. And from what we've seen, we probably won't get a great response in terms of support from anyone no matter how good (or bad) the update is.

All I can say is thanks to all of the devs that have taken on the chore of keeping the rest of us updated, patched, de-bing'd, de-odexed, themed, and rom'd.

/ rant
[Fascinate General] Poloasis:
Well said!
[Fascinate General] lthibeault:
just saw my samsung tech friend and froyo still isn't ready for release. The update is not froyo.

Sent from my fascinating fascinate
[Fascinate General] Domush:
Tell your tech friend to leak what they have so far and we'll make it ready.

Sent from my SCH-I500
[Fascinate General] zachsx:
I love my samsung. I will not go back.to motorola for cell phones. My 2.1 sf ran better that my 2.2 x! And that's a fact plus motorola's customer service is effing horrible.
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
You know, I'm kinda surprised anyone still talks about customer service anymore. I realized a long time ago that except for rare exceptions, good customer service no longer exists, at least not for tech devices like smart phones. Almost all the fall centers are run by foreigners that you can't understand ans can't understand you, and even if they do, all they can do is follow an idiot script, which is usually no help at all. I suppose I don't really dare enough, since I'm a geek that can fix most things that go wrong with my gadgets, and am only concerned if something is defective and needs to be replaced. In any case, I expect customer service to be equally horrible everywhere, so I never bother to factor that into my purchase decisions anymore, at least not for.cell phones.
[Fascinate General] ilogik:
Apple has great customer service, my daughter dropped her iPhone 3gs and shattered the screen. She went to a Apple store to get an estimate on the repair which was $99, but she said it was out of money because of christmas shopping and they fixed it for free.

Oh and it was out of the warranty period, which it wouldn't be covered anyway because of physical damage.
[Fascinate General] tlogank:
I've dealt with Apple for years (iPhone, MBP), and I assure that is not the norm. They have became bastards about warranty coverage over the past few years.
[Fascinate General] zachsx:
I

I had bad experience with my dx with horible 3g coverage.
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
We need a poll too guess which rom is showing up tomorrow.

My vote is 2.2 even though I'm assured that it's 2.1.
[Fascinate General] mattstakilla:
I'm just hoping that there is an update.
[Fascinate General] Eddog4DROID:
If there is, will it be rolled out to everyone or in batches like the D1 update.
[Fascinate General] jiggaman508:
Yes I agree but IF an update comes out the file will hit the web pretty quick for a manual install
[Fascinate General] jpcdeux:
Then all the rumors and speculation can fly on when gb will come out when everyone else is on Honeycomb lol

Sent from my XDA App.
[Fascinate General] papstar:
We'll still be on 2.1.
[Fascinate General] TheSonicEmerald:
I just realized Jan 10th is tomorrow. We'll all see.....

Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz
[Fascinate General] jpcdeux:
I believe it said around then. Not the 10th specifically.
[Fascinate General] denpad2010:
I came from droid x to this fascinate just cause I get bored of phone quickly...but I never thought this device still was running 2.1 when even there's is ginger bread on the corner is frustrating If this update isn't froyo I will go back to droid x
[Fascinate General] iTz Nicholas72:
Again in stuck waiting for updates knowing they are going to be much less than I expect. While the only thing that keeps me from throwing my phone at a wall is the amazing DEV community.

Time to get an iPhone...
[Fascinate General] Xanius:
I'd rather have a phone that's behind on updates and has a great dev community than go back to an iPhone. There's no point to jailbreaking the phone because it's a hassle to do anything even remotely resembling customization outside of what apple wants.
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
personally, me too.

We have some solid dev support for this phone right now. Jt, bird, and co. ivorycruncher also contributed to punk.kaos so he'll be back with us soon as well.

We have a legit team. A lot is patience, a lot is waiting, but if you can't wait this may not be the phone for you...
[Fascinate General] hetaldp:
So today is 10th, i m sure we all will get disappointment
[Fascinate General] zeroasd:
maybe we 'll get it in the end of the day. :p:p
[Fascinate General] Poloasis:
I wouldn't bet on anything.
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
If you are hoping that froyo brings drastic changes from eclair, that's not true, so there is no point in getting excited about it per se.
[Fascinate General] maleman876:
at this rate, i don't believe anything until it is ON my phone. this will be the last samsung product i buy.

the biggest thing i need 2.2 for is multiple google accounts in the calendar app, i use my phone for work and it sucks not being able to see them all.
[Fascinate General] joebob2000:
Really? That doesn't work? I have two google accounts and one exchange account with calendars on my phone. I haven't really tried to see how nice they play since I keep all my events in my exchange calendar, but it looks like they work. What's the issue?
[Fascinate General] hkseo100:
Visitor: OK, so what I have been hearing about the update on my phone today or sometime now is not true?

Spencer: No, as of now there is no information on the release date of the software update, we are unable to speculate when/if a software revision might be available due to the fact that this might lead to inaccurate information and confusion.

Spencer: Should this become available, it will be posted on our website in the Samsung Download Center.

Visitor: OK, just to make sure I am understanding correctly, there will be no update today correct?

Visitor: Or do you not know or have the information

Spencer: I am sorry there is no update today and Samsung has not advertised for any updates being released for your phone model.
[Fascinate General] FDro:
Well... I got Froyo!

at the dairy queen, it was good.
[Fascinate General] leehblanc:
I'll take Chrome2Phone, App2SD and Flash. Pretty significant changes I'd say. Not to mention the JIT.
[Fascinate General] bendbowden:
**** em.

Sent from my Galaxy-S Fascinate
[Fascinate General] kenhunt:
Agreed
[Fascinate General] sageDieu:
Hey guys, I'm from the USCC mesmerize side of the river, been watching this thread for a bit.

I'm wondering how likely it is that we will get any ports of Froyo roms, or if that is even possible since we aren't supposed to get our official Froyo until March. I know there's been ports of your themes and such for us so I figure this is possible.

Sent from my Galaxy S.
[Fascinate General] pkopalek:
And push Facebook notifications.

Froyo allows for a few interesting functions that eclair doesn't.
[Fascinate General] iTz Nicholas72:
And the newest Google Docs!
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
Froyo.... Haha....
[Fascinate General] sledge3n8:
I owned the Incredible before the Fascinate. I found the Incredible to seem much faster (at least after Froyo), but the Fascinate battery life runs circles around the DI. I would have to stick the DI on a charger before my work day was even done. Now I go home from work with almost a fully charged Fascinate battery and the legendary Froyo should help that a out a little more. That's assuming there really be a 2.2 update for the Fascinate.
[Fascinate General] sledge3n8:
Mutiny

We should all come up with a date to take our beloved Fascinates back to Vzw and tell 'em where they can stick 'em! I wonder what they would do if thousands of angry Fascinators showed up on their door step at the same time demanding Froyo or a new phone with Froyo on it!

Ok, I'm back to reality now. I need to use my GPS dock!

I want my DI back! I'm sooooo switching back to HTC next month! Bring on the Thunder!(bolt). I might even use my Samsung for target practice! Naw, I'll give it to my 12 year old son to replace his Vortex, he just likes to play games, listen to music and browse youtube.
[Fascinate General] smilepak:
So where is the OTA

Man I hope they improve on the 3G signal. It sucks compared to the Droid.
[Fascinate General] mattstakilla:
still waiting.......(twidles thumbs)........
[Fascinate General] hkseo100:
I really hope it does come out. But I listed my phone on Ebay already so I'll be getting something else.

I really loved this phone despite its errors, biggest being music playing when headphones were unplugged and the gps problem (although fixed in DJ05/DL09 huge thanks to the devs). I want to try out other phones and go back to Froyo and possibly try out Gingerbread. (Had Froyo on my droid, and liked the features that it offered over eclair).

if it's not sold by today and an update comes out later (2.2) then i'll come back on board XD

other than that, I'll wait or get a d2g, dx or di.
[Fascinate General] J Shed:
DJ05 has the "pause when headphones unlpugged" feature, I use it all the time.
[Fascinate General] wynalazca:
Unless you're travelling a lot, I'd stay away from the motorola locked bootloader devices. I had a DX for a few months and my fascinate is infinitely better, even with 2.1.
[Fascinate General] johnnyv5:
Kind of off topic, but I played around with a droid x while in the store and boy was it laggy!!! I couldn't beleive how laggy it was. My Bro-in-law has one and I hope he doesn't jump ship from android because of this experience. The DI on the other had was far better then the X.

jv
[Fascinate General] hkseo100:
I kind of ruled out DX because of its size. Fascinate would be the biggest device I would like to carry as a phone...

It's either the Incredible or D2G. I would probably do Incredible since its only $50 compared to $150 for D2G ($120 for DX). My biggest uses for this phone would be Music, Email, Facebook, GPS, SMS/MMS, Browser, and YouTube.. Oh and tethering XD

I'll probably get the Incredible then. hopefully the signals better on that thing.

thanks a lot for your help!
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
So are we going to get it? I trust jt and birdman to skip froyo to gingerbread before this ever releases at this point.
[Fascinate General] mattstakilla:
I'm thinking no

if no one has it by now, then it was another lost hope
[Fascinate General] J Shed:
Reports would likely start trickling in tonight (IIRC, Verizon likes 6pm EST, and it'll be a gradual rollout, so not everyone will get it at once) if the update happens, but there should be leaks of VZW bulletins about it if it is indeed coming.

I'm on the "it's probably DL09 or some other 2.1 maintenance release" train if it does show up at all.
[Fascinate General] johnnyv5:
Okay let's make a friendly wager! who thinks Gingerbread will come out via JT and Birdman before we get an official Froyo update!?!!?

jv
[Fascinate General] Oobie:
Well I just read a galaxy s update on facebook that said said someone ported the 3g iphone with gingerbread! This sucks!
[Fascinate General] XLS125:
I just talked to both Samsung and Verizon representatives and they both reported that there was no update coming today and it was not yet scheduled either.
[Fascinate General] jordanpesci:
SERVER UNAVAILABLE message

So I went to run the System updates first thing this morning and received a message that there was no update available. I just now attempted to run the System update and the response said SERVER UNAVAILABLE and to check back. HOPING this means that they are prepping the server for the roll out!!! :D
[Fascinate General] lthibeault:
dont get your hopes up... just means the server is unavailable... happened to me every other time i did it before i modded...
[Fascinate General] 4GivenByChrist:
Add another VzW tech rep who can't find anything - sure we're all shocked....
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
In my culture... We stone the boy who cried wolf.

Just playing.

on a serious note, I was hoping on froyo today.
[Fascinate General] Holliday:
/me yawns....
[Fascinate General] BSayre18:
Well...according to that leaked verizon screenshot that showed update dates for several phones the lg vortex was suppose to get an update today too....and it did.
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
Just because there is nothing yet doesn't mean there won't be. There are still 6 hours left on the east coast until it's the 11th, so they could have the roll out scheduled to start later this evening. The XDA crowd is also fairly small, so it's also possible that no one that comes here has gotten the update yet.
[Fascinate General] kickballa:
I get the same message!:

Source: Verizon Wireless

Status: Server unavailable

Code: 500

Date: Jan 10, 2011

Time: 04:06 PM

I hope it comes!
[Fascinate General] BSayre18:
We are getting DL09!

Check the VZW fascinate support page
[Fascinate General] iofthestorm:
I'm definitely sticking with my Fascinate, but you should check the dimensions of the Droid X vs the Fascinate. I remember when I checked it was actually nearly the same size, despite the larger screen.
[Fascinate General] nmyeti:
http://support.vzw.com/pdf/system_update/samsung_fascinate.pdf
[Fascinate General] hkseo100:
**** my life
[Fascinate General] johnnyv5:
wow! another failed prediction....
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
For me, it was the hump on the DX. You are correct though that the two are nearly identical in size. The Fascinate is wider by about the same margin that the DX is taller.
[Fascinate General] Lodingi:
Can anyone say "Alien Finger Probe"?
[Fascinate General] activesack:
I was about to post OP wins! The thread title is correct, but he puts in caps IT WILL BE FROYO. That's a shame.

Better luck next time!
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
Hey, don't forget about punk.kaos. ;) If you check his twitter feed, you can see he's really ripping through the code, trying to make GB functional on the Fascinate, of course with birdman's and jt's help. Given that the current official update is only DL09, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that we'll see GB before Froyo.
[Fascinate General] superchunkwii:
Yep. Gonna wait to root until GB is out by our dev community. Can't wait to get DL09 on here though.
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
The way I see things ATM, Froyo should be coming out for our phones in another month or two. With the 2.2 update for the Mesmerize being scheduled for March, and our hardware being nearly identical, that would mean we should get the update by then as well. Will we? Only time will tell. I do have faith that our devs will have an alpha build of GB at the very least before the official Froyo update shows up though.
[Fascinate General] superchunkwii:
lol, first time I read this I thought it said "**** my wife" to which I was going to say, "send pics". :)
[Fascinate General] ilogik:
Not failed, it doesnt say when around the 10th, maybe its six months past the 10th :)
[Fascinate General] Thacallmehess:
Not even worth Unrooting for.
[G2 and Desire Z General] luis86dr:
Anyone else have this problem. I usually am running at 1516 with cm. 6.1.1. So the other day for ****s and giggles I decided to disable set on boot and revert to 806 mhz (stock) and man what a difference. I got 26 hours of battery life. I've tested today with setcpu on running at 806 and tfhe battery life is way off. Somethings up.

[G2/HTC Vision]
[G2 and Desire Z General] stevencpoynter:
Try the app cpu tuner, afaik, any speed above 1.2ghz is overvolted anyway which speeds battery usage. Cpu tuner has worked well for me as I think the verdict is still out to whether setcpu's screen off profiles actually work. That, and I personally don't see a difference in 1ghz vs 1.5ghz in daily activities, unless gaming
[G2 and Desire Z General] Utorrent76:
Actually I use set cpu and I get about 36 hrs before I have to recharge. I'm oc @ 1.2 ghz and with moderate use. I guess it really does vary from phone to phone.

Sent from my CyanogenMod powered G2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Beast11:
How are you guys getting such high battery lives? I was at 28% after 6.5 hours today... like wtf? And i didnt overclock or anything... I was using the phone with continuous data for about 90 minutes... other than that just texting...
[G2 and Desire Z General] luis86dr:
Setcpu is the culprit. I would just like to know why it varys for every user. Maybe ill try reinstalling the app and see the outcome.

[G2/HTC Vision]
[G2 and Desire Z General] brzgw:
Yeah I get the same crap. I have CM7. Suppose to be good with battery power management. With Glacier I got 17 hours with set cpu profiles.

G2 its a joke. I got 9 hours luckily.

Now its 5 hours I got %39. Is it my phone or the battery?
[G2 and Desire Z General] flak0:
Hmm I beg to differ. I am running CM 6.1 and this is my battery life. BTW I only use SetCPU to OC to 1.3Ghz . No profiles
[G2 and Desire Z General] brzgw:
That's very nice. I just disable the profiles and left it at 806 MHz. The battery drainage slowed down. So profiles really mess up. I have tried virtuous rom, with profiles I got pretty good for HTC sense. But I haven't gotten any close to yours.

With cm 6.1 I had %20 in 4 hours with normal usage.

Also is minimum and Max at 1.3 ghz?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
As long as mine lasts the day I'm Happy :p;):D
[G2 and Desire Z General] Utorrent76:
My batterry life.

You can see I'm overclocked @ 1.2ghz as well.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Utorrent76:
Diffrent pic.

Last pic of my home screen was a bit blurry so i uploaded a new one. Now you can see the o.c speed a bit better.
[G2 and Desire Z General] luis86dr:
Why would it vary from every user then? I do have profiles setup with ondemand as all my profile governors. I find it very weird how some people are getting good batt life with setcpu running and I'm getting amazing battery with it off. Ran it off for 20 hours so far and I'm at 45 percent.

[G2/HTC Vision]
[G2 and Desire Z General] crysalis786:
Maybe some people haven't configured their profiles properly in SetCPU? I know I didn't. I have my phone OC at 1.2ghz and had profiles set for lots of different profiles including screen off at 245/245; i was only getting 14 hours top. However, I realised that the priorities that I had set the different profiles to were clashing. I discovered this when I only the screen off profile enabled with the rest of the profiles disabled and with moderate use (few phone calls via Bluetooth, 25-30mins, a few SMS msgs, very little data, wifi switched on, 2g+3G, not much browsing) I have got 52% after 17hrs 33mins)

Thats very good battery life for me!

Try having profiles enabled but with just the screen off profile activated. It worked wonders for me! :-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] flak0:
No maximum is 1.3 and min is 245mhz interactive governor
[G2 and Desire Z General] flak0:
Question why not a minimum of 245mhz. Btw the SetCpu widget is a battery drainer.
[G2 and Desire Z General] zkid2010:
Dude cancel that appt ... injection ahead!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Utorrent76:
Can't.

I kinda need it. It's a cortisone shot.
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
Recently I rooted by DZ and got CM7 installed.

Got SetCPU loaded.

I've seen a considerable battery 9hours and the batt is dead.

Governor: Interactive

Main: 1017/245

Screen off: 368/245

Temp: 806/245

Battery <10% 245/245

Charging 1017/245
[G2 and Desire Z General] HAK Devil:
The screen off profile does more harm than good and you do not need it if you are using either the smartass/interactive/scary governer considering they will already underclock when the screen is off, the switching of profiles regularly is a real killer. Beyond that, look into calibrating your battery as well the next time you fully charge the phone. The battery calibration app is also available on the market.
[G2 and Desire Z General] popimp315:
It seems like you aren't even using your phone. Nothing else shows up but the 3 standards.

Sent from my T-Mobile G2 Coredroid unity-streamlined2
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cougar11:
hey all, i just read online that Unrevoked updated to Root Evo's with new Hboots (2.02 & 2.10) installed??

please advise

THANKS IN ADVANCED!!