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[Fascinate General] DarthCivicus:
I'm willing to bet I will have had my phone for a year before Froyo comes out via Verizon... which is toward the end of September.... who knows. We shall see for sure... I may just wait for Kaosinate to be ready... Atleast I know that will come soon to be ready and fully functional!
[Fascinate General] AlexDeGruven:
Forgive my snark in advance, but:

I don't need you to tell me it's not FroYo. We've known for a couple of weeks already that it wasn't going to be FroYo, and for about a week we've known exactly which version it was going to be.

If you would have actually read around here, and the notes and confirmations from all the other users that have gotten the update that it was DL09 and not FroYo, you wouldn't have had to waste your time or effort to confirm that the update you got was EXACTLY the same as the update everyone else already got, and which was published here from a leak a few weeks ago.

But fortunately, you've only wasted your own time, since we all already knew this.
[Fascinate General] TheFourthDoctor:
Just finished running the OTA update from VZW...

DL09 still reports as 2.1-update1. This matches with what most folks expected and what the VZW website shows.

One thing VZW didn't mention is that the Kies Mini now recognizes the phone when it's set to USB debug mode. Me thinks this is a stepping stone to the coming FroYo update.
[Fascinate General] buddyellis:
Is anyone having trouble getting the OTA to root? I am using the adb method, and get a # prompt but when I go to install the apk I get

Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_ALREADY_EXISTS]

Have they blocked the su package somehow?

-b

EDIT: Nevermind, apparently the root worked, it just gave me the above error.
[Fascinate General] denpad2010:
Can't believe it bull****...i gonna get rid of this ****
[Fascinate General] denpad2010:
I lose root.....is the only thing this **** gave me, any solution.???.... I have all the rooted apps including super user but none works
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Bye.
[Fascinate General] MADDAN18:
2 sec gps locks. The update did some good I guess.
[Fascinate General] denpad2010:
Do I need root again???
[Fascinate General] AlexDeGruven:
Hate to say "I told you so"... Well, actually, I love it.
[Fascinate General] hetaldp:
Well Gingerbread from Birdman is Coming

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=912044
[Fascinate General] DarthCivicus:
Yea you will probably want to try and root again, I think the update is suppose to return you back to unrooted access.
[Fascinate General] denpad2010:
I bet you do!!!!
[Fascinate General] denpad2010:
Thanks....i will try when I get off work...anyway I'm still In my 30 days to return or exchange this ****...
[Fascinate General] Phasze:
friend just got his OTA. Looks like its finally getting rolled out in Utah.
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
If the update is what most are expecting, DL09 or similar build, then it will likely do nothing. If it really is Froyo, then it could make getting AOSP easier if Samsung fixed their crappy coding from what was originally released. Worst case is that it does nothing and takes a few minutes away from development while devs confirm that. Either way, I'm not getting my hopes up until I see the release.
[Fascinate General] SeatownGST:
don't hold your breath. the fascinate is all but abandoned. the official samsung desktop app, kies, still doesn't even recognize the fascinate. we're stuck on 2.1 with a horrible intermediary firmware patch.

I thought the guts of this thing were so promising, but the firmware and software are an absolute disaster. every time I run quadrant I want to throw the phone into the microwave.
[Fascinate General] AlexDeGruven:
I'm hopeful as well. But not too hopeful, considering previous track records.

I tend to take a "that would be great, but I'll wait and see before I get too excited" stance.
[Fascinate General] bendbowden:
Throw on sackcloth and roll around in ashes, then.

This phone is not abandoned .... if I truly thought that, I would simply get another phone. Maybe that's what you should do.

BTW: every issue you listed will be fixed upon the release of Froyo (which may or may not be around the 10th). Either way, your issues should be solved soon.
[Fascinate General] Ahodson1985:
If quadrant scores get you that upset maybe you should microwave your phone...

Sent from my sch-i500
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
1st, Kies was not really meant for CDMA devices, and until recently, was never posted as software to use with them.

2nd, Quadrant is less than reliable as a benchmark. It can only properly compare your device to itself after making changes to your rom/kernel/etc. Using it to compare one phone to another does nothing as a high quadrant score does not equal good real world usage.
[Fascinate General] kristopherw:
My issue is: DJ05 and DL09 were both leaked, and Froyo has been leaked for just about every other US Galaxy S varient. So if this truly is Froyo next week, how the hell did Verizon, Google, et al manage to prevent it from being leaked for once?
[Fascinate General] Kaessa:
Whips and chains? Tasers? :eek:
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
Very strict NDAs is the only way they could have kept things quiet this long.
[Fascinate General] cesium:
If we are on a custom ROM, but still DI01, will we be able to apply the OTA update (whether its froyo or not)?
[Fascinate General] orateam:
Really? abandoned? wow, i think they are still selling the abandoned phone. Seriously, i've had a ****load of phones including froyo phones, this phone beats them everywhere. I guess not benchmarks though.
[Fascinate General] bendbowden:
Probably not .... the update looks for all the VZW bloat, odex files, etc. Most custom ROM's are de-bloated and deodexed. You can either use the DI01 Odin or wait for a dev to repackage it for you (the latter usually happens pretty quickly).
[Fascinate General] facinater:
Dont care anymore.....im going to get the new Droid Bionic dual core.....screw samsung.....
[Fascinate General] Dalamar1320:
I LOLed.... My girl now thinks I'm crazy...
[Fascinate General] iofthestorm:
Yup, this is the main reason I don't believe froyo is the next update, but I'd be pretty happy if I'm wrong. Birdman and jt are working on gingerbread anyway, so I don't care so much what verizon does.
[Fascinate General] Oobie:
I'm with storm no matter what they do put out it's still going to have to get altered to justify being anything that anyone on the forum wants to use. I'm waiting on Jt/Birdman to do there thing. Once that happens its game on!!!!
[Fascinate General] iceman1183:
Enjoy your locked bootloader....I'll put my money on the devs working on aosp for the Fascinate. GB is coming....
[Fascinate General] Thacallmehess:
Yeah and 30min Battery Life.
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
if you guys really think the coming update is froyo....:sigh: :rolleyes:
[Fascinate General] sonofskywalker3:
oh great. more froyo ninjas. somebody fire up the irc bot again.
[Fascinate General] Abbernaky:
Simply put... Listen to those who know what they are talking about... (hint: it isn't samsung or verizon REPS) honestly, my updates don't come directly from them anyway. Again..thank you to all the devs for all the work put in.
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
I actually just got official clarification from Toby, a reliable source. He confirmed the OTA on the 10th of this month. When I asked about Froyo, he corrected me. "it is an easy mistake to make, but the update will actually be Frodo, not Froyo."

He agreed that there would be a good deal of confusion on the 10th, but that Tolkien fans would be pleased.
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
Bwhahahaha..
[Fascinate General] Gurm:
Ahh Old Toby... Finest weed in the south farthing!
[Fascinate General] tokyo machine:
The gesture uh gtugrvf Hutchinson fled the donuts. That sums it up. Cheers.
[Fascinate General] shdowman:
/Slaps forehead....

Ohhhhhhhhh, so much confusion indeed. Can't believe I almost mistook that. Imagine my embarrassment when I went running to tell the neighbors "Froyo is coming! Froyo is Coming!"
[Fascinate General] Ahodson1985:
Peregrine Took?

Sent from my sch-i500
[Fascinate General] Oobie:
I think he was with Samwise Gamgey!!!! Maybe it was Gandalof!!! Who knows.
[Fascinate General] shdowman:
And a fool of a Took at that!
[Fascinate General] Sophos1:
...nice, maybe we can do Star Wars next....:-/
[Fascinate General] Ahodson1985:
um luke skywalker sounds nothing like froyo mr. smartypants

Sent from my sch-i500
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
May the Froyo be with you.
[Fascinate General] devlp1213:
mmmm much eclair you have, wipe your phone you must.
[Fascinate General] jdellingson7:
Well you will be waiting longer for the bionic than froyo. My guess is may or june
[Fascinate General] jdellingson7:
Blackdroid from Ultimate Droid has Gingerbread in the oven too, shouldnt be long
[Fascinate General] jdellingson7:
Agreed quadrant score mean nothing, actual performance is everything. This phone performs and even better with the voodoo lagfix. Which will no longer be needed with froyo.
[Fascinate General] nmyeti:
What makes you say the lag fix won't be needed, by most accounts, it will be every bit as essential since 2.2 on most Galaxy s devices is actually quite laggy.
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
Also, just FYI, punk.kaos got the Fascinate I sent him today, and is beginning his attempt at a Gingerbread port. I'm hoping his work with it on the Eris so far will give him a running start at this one. Wow, we could have three GB ROMs on our hands before too much longer. Who here still gives a rip about Froyo? :)
[Fascinate General] wilshyre:
Thats awesome.. cant wait to see him in action.. he needs to catch up with birdman and jt now on their work on gb, and I guarantee he will be able to help expedite the whole process. Again, i believe this not because I think he's better than our devs, but just because he has already been working with gingerbread for eris and he is definitely an awesome dev, and the more great minds that collaborate on this, the faster we'll get it. And yes, I know that his work on gb for eris means nothing for the fascinate because they are such different machines, but he is very experienced at fixing things and making things work where they're not meant to work, just like our devs are.. so im certain he will be of great help. He has done a lot of great things for android... he even discovered how to dual boot android from sd card in eris.. the man possesses a lot of ingenuity.

So, again, I thank you for your donation to him.. his future roms, mods, fixes, and general work on our devices will becomes invaluable to us, of this im certain. Plus, he has a soft spot for neglected devices, just as with the eris.. and Sammy/vzw has definitely neglected us.

Sent from my OTB 1300mhz black magic fascinate.
[Fascinate General] Sophos1:
Froda?

10char
[Fascinate General] TheSonicEmerald:
Kaos is legend. Seriously, his work on the Eris was the best thing that ever happened to it.

Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz
[Fascinate General] HorsexD:
Well Samsung did Twitter Froyo was coming soon...If thats reliable?
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
I really doubt they ll put out anything useful for us as they've done nothing so far...,and if they do it ll most likely be compiled.of jt or birdmans github and they ll claim it as their own
[Fascinate General] denonlake:
Thanks to ivorycruncher for his donation that will surely be an asset to the community!
[Fascinate General] jiggaman508:
Thank you for donating to him he is amazing he turned my girlfriends eris from nothing to a real smartphone with his roms...just wanted to say thanks ;)
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
yeah, i dont know what you base your "theory" on, but galaxy s phones continue to use voodoo on froyo...rfs doesnt magically get better :rolleyes:
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
yeah it doesnt take very long to kang
[Fascinate General] CxanDroid:
All I ever heard was:

To which I replied:

@Samsungtweets if you want to give us galaxy s owners a, simple, reliable upgrade, offer a do it yourself Vanilla Froyo! #galaxy_S #froyo
[Fascinate General] beeblebrux:
Ok, I apologize for this ahead of time, as I know I'm new to posting in these forums. But why do all your posts have to be so negative? Read through a fair number of your posts, and you seem to like berating people a lot. Why all the negativity?

Once again, sorry if I'm out of place. Don't mean to offend. Just though I'd ask
[Fascinate General] NOsquid:
Nitsu used to be the nicest person here, then the stupids got to him
[Fascinate General] PJnc284:
There's certainly a reason behind the statement he made.
[Fascinate General] obededom:
yep.

I was around during the OG droid days and i remember it well. kang-o-rama at cyanogen's expense

nitsuj is right.
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
US Cellular is scheduling Froyo for the Mesmerize around March, so at the latest, we should have the update by then. Given that the Mesmerize is essentially the Fascinate, I'd say we're likely to get an update to Froyo around the same time.
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
+1. Coming from a CM only nexus, and intimately familiar with that whole situation, there's a severe lack of integrity in that fellow.
[Fascinate General] FDro:
Elitism. Your observation is accurate.
[Fascinate General] Sophos1:
You think so? Boy, USCC always seems to be WAY behind the curve (even by Verizon standards) I would be surprised if they were released at the same time.

Cheers
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
Well, if they can get it out on US Cellular by March, we should also get it by March. I guess I could have worded that better. Meant more to imply that it probably means Froyo will likely not be out on the 10th, but then again, if USC is that far behind...
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
I am not speaking for anyone, but it gets old telling everyone the same news over and over again. Right now there is probably a thread exactly as one you can think of.

Nitsuj is not trying to be a jerk. Nor is anyone else. So don't get offended unless you are sherwood1 or bigbonkers.
[Fascinate General] onionz:
lol too funny!
[Fascinate General] madcow706:
I know there is a lot of anger at Samsung and Verizon, but why doesn't anyone ever get angry at Google? Google could work harder to stop the fragmentation issue, but it plays into their power game to sell more phones. Google could move to a unified update infrastructure, handling phone updates themselves, directly from their website. I honestly don't see Samsung and Verizon putting too much effort into updates after Froyo (if there is a froyo update) because they are in the business of selling hardware and services, and essentially, since Android is free, they could care less about working hard on updates on old products when they got new products to test and release. For all the hate people have for Apple (not a big fan, but nice products none the less) they got it right when it comes to OS updates.
[Fascinate General] nunyazz:
I'll believe it when I see it... not holding my breath.
[Fascinate General] iTz Nicholas72:
Then Google would have to worry about hardware differences and all of the skins not to mention carrier(s).

Verizon and Samsung dunt really care because they already got their money.
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
I can assure you that they do. Their future depends on people purchasing their products in the future. No one is going to be loyal to samsung if they can't even keep their promise.

But they could spend some more money on their development...
[Fascinate General] kuronosan:
When a company makes a $1,000,000 profit on a phone versus a $10,000,000 profit on the same phone (with no losses) I can assure you they don't really care if people stay loyal or not.

Loyalty is something not many companies care about anymore. Their attitude is such that if they can get even a single person to love their product then the ten that hate it don't matter.
[Fascinate General] jdellingson7:
Funny i saw u on the UD IRC, if your not interested then why even come in
[Fascinate General] jdellingson7:
i agree most of your post are negative and fairly arrogant
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
First of all, for those saying, he was arrogant, elitist, etc....

You have no idea of the history. Nitsuj17 has likely been burned as much as everyone else. He isn't elitist, he is a realist. Some can take it, some get sandy va...

Anyway, want to speak of elitism? Charge for betas and nightlies on open sourced code, along with a history of taking and not giving credit.
[Fascinate General] beeblebrux:
Thanks for this. I can understand the bitterness now. Sucks that it has come to that. Guess i haven't been an android user long enough to realize how petty some people can be just to get some recognition for themselves
[Fascinate General] Kevin Gossett:
Logistically, Google couldn't handle the update process. The software has to be tailored to the hardware, which is why it takes so long for updates now. In order for that too be streamlined, every Android device would need to be the same. Hence, the reason it works for Apple
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
a lot of negativity is based upon that people seem to post the exact same things over and over and over and over and over again.

1. voodoo broke my phone!

-no it didnt, you did something wrong

2. froyo is coming tomorrow, an in store verizon rep said it was!

-they said anything to make you happy and shut you up

3. irc people are jerks and wont share anything!

-anyone can go into irc, say hello and get anything that anyone else has...unless a kernel dev or someone is testing stuff and has their own testers...but thats for a good reason

4. whats the best kernel/rom combinination?????

-subjective, and everyones phone handles kernels differently, and roms are more of a preference

theres a lot more than that...but its kinda ridiculous to see the same things written a bunch of different ways, without anyone taking the time bother reading through anything else. thus some bitterness yes.

on other message boards im perhaps "nicer" and more "helpful" but i hold xda to a higher standard i suppose. the idea that this a development and release forum, not a "hold my hand through every little thing that happens to me" forum, makes a vast majority of these posts a bit ridiculous imo

others may think differently and thats fine...but thats where im coming from
[Fascinate General] stimr2:
Samsung recenty announced a 38 billion dollar budget for R&D and recruitment. I hope they can hire some better/more programers.

I also read a article that about 80% of smart phone users in Korea were unhappy with after sales service. The largest smart phone sellers in Korea are Apple and Samsung. Big corporations don't care about their customers.
[Fascinate General] garden1001:
I will waiting for this !
[Fascinate General] jiggaman508:
I couldn't agree more... I have no problem helping anyone out because we were all noobs at one point but please people use the search button first...
[Fascinate General] rgorzkajr:
The sad thing is once froyo is out I think alt of people are going tho be let down. It is nice but not a game changer.
[Fascinate General] will survive:
Yup... Just like they did with their Ultimate Droid releases when all they basically did was copy and paste from CyanogenMod...
[Fascinate General] Ahodson1985:
Problem is people always want newer bigger better...

Sent from my sch-i500
[Fascinate General] iTz Nicholas72:
This reminds me of the 1.4.5 update for my old Pre Plus. Verizon delayed it for months after other carrier had it and when we finally got it was a huge let down.
[Fascinate General] Mararunr:
This is my first post after 7 weeks with android/fascinate. You know why? Because I don't need to post. Everything is already here. And yes I'm using Roms, kernels, rooted, installing rogue apks, etc. just search and read everything you can - then just go try it. As far as I know you can't brick your hardware so you can recover from many code/execution mistakes. I've even unrooted and gone back to stock (di01) multiple times and then rooted and upgraded to dj05 again while messing around to learn more (and help my wife who is strictly a user).

This is a developer website. Expect and treat it as such please. Listen, learn, then practice, practice, practice.

Thank you to all the hard working developers out there!

Sent from my rooted, unbloated, dj05 updated, currently thatdudebutch rom (superclean), sonofskywalker theme (actually nitrokid but used part of sonofskywalker to flash) with stupidfast kernel and stock swype (didn't like swype upgrade sorry), soft/backlit keys remapped CH-I500 (fascinate) using XDA App. Check tomorrow and probably have different rom, theme, kernel, apps or I may even be stock again.
[Fascinate General] TheBadBen:
^^ This guy is right.

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[Fascinate General] xlinth:
Ok i understand the negative comments now...but how about let's all leave room for help and developement. I know this post is guilty of what i just said......if we don't have anything to contribute or nice to say then let's not post at all. Agreed?

Ps this is for everybody including myself
[Fascinate General] iofthestorm:
I mainly want Froyo so I can use my bluetooth keyboard. Other than that my phone is already pretty great. The thing is we won't get the huge performance boost that the Nexus One got because the Froyo JIT is optimized for Snapdragon, although it should still help a little with performance. I'm mostly just waiting for a good AOSP build because I think that's what will really make these phones fly, not a stock upgrade from Verizon.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
It is very unlikely you will see bt hid support in Froyo.
[Fascinate General] voghan:
I'm probably one of the many that never post, just consume the vast amount of information on this site. It's my one stop for rooting a phone and finding the best hacks for my phone. I'd I have questions I normally go elsewhere. I've had great roms for my Hero, Vibrant and Fascinate from xda. I hope people here know they are helping a lot of people out and their work is appreciated.
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
Jit is based on arm architecture I believe. Not on specific processors.

Correct me if I'm wrong here...
[Fascinate General] claudieous:
Racer I believe that would be correct... at least from what I know and have read.
[Fascinate General] Falcyn:
It's supposed to deliver drastic improvements on any ARM processor, but in reality the Snapdragons do see more of an improvement than others. That may just be due to the fact that Google's main development phone at the time was the Snapdragon-based Nexus One. But it still is noticeably faster, especially when bogged down with multiple apps -- I can vouch for that personally coming from the Droid 1. 2.1->2.2 was a big help for a phone with a relatively slow processor. No, it's not quite like getting a new phone... but it's absolutely noticeable, and what more can you ask for from a free upgrade?

Also, note that other things, like the browser speed improvement (thanks to a much improved JavaScript engine) should give the same increases on our phone as the N1.