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[Nexus S General] Mokurex:
You said yourself that technology is moving at a very fast pace. Even though android right now doesn't take advantage of the these dual core processor, how would you know that google wouldn't optimize future version of android to fully take advantage of the dual core. This would render device with these newer processor, a faster and smoother experience. With that in mind, saying that dual core processor is not needed isn't exactly a future-proof way of thinking.

ps. I apologize for saying that you're trying to justify the purchase if you didn't own one in the first place.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
You are right, of course they will optimize it for dual-core. But the question is, do you need it? If your device is already super fast, will there really be a big difference with dual-core? What is faster than super fast? So, untill they bring out a feature that really needs it (except for games), I don't need dual-core. Because the Nexus S with 1Ghz is already amazingly fast, with virtually no lag.
[Nexus S General] adox:
One thing I see people overlook is that the nexus s is indeed a Google phone with updates straight from Google,all of Google's mobile division is behind this phone aswell as the nexus one. I dont know about you but I'd rather have the support of Google making updates for my phone first and having their Dev teams useing the phone I currently have (nexus s) than having a shiny new LG 2x with the oh so great tegra 2 which is the fist iteratation of dual core tegras and with that a little unproven and android isn't really optimized for it yet so it really has no ground apart from Smoother gaming,video play back and web browsing. In the end I would love a dual core nexus but you have in your hand I phone that can do almost everything your p.c can is that something to complain about?
[Nexus S General] Mokurex:
If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.

This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
You think upgrades only make things more processor intensive? Check out Windows 7 compared to Vista plz.

Jeez guys.

First off. Tegra2 is barely better than the Hummingbird. These aren't super phones. They're just great. Wait for the dual core snap dragon and dual core orion. Then Hummingbird and Tegra2 will both be "weak".
[Nexus S General] Mokurex:
Yes, upgrade from vista to 7 isn't more processor intensive, but we're not talking windows are we? I'm sure all of us here can agree that from the video that google posted, honeycomb will use more cpu than gingerbread.

Btw, we're not arguing, it's called constructive argument =)
[Nexus S General] SupaDupaFly24:
Um that was the tablet version of Honeycomb I am pretty sure the phone version will be different. And I am pretty sure that google is testing all of their future updates on the Nexus S until a new Nexus device is released so all future updates will be optimized for the S...
[Nexus S General] jroid:
yea dual-core phones are coming out but so what. I'm good with my nexus S which will do jussst fine. I can guarantee you the next nexus device will pack a dual core processor. Until then, i'll keep nexus S and purchase the G-slate.
[Nexus S General] tuan209:
Having used the NS for the last 3 weeks, it clearly is a step up from the N1 in terms of performance. The screen is absolutely great and the extra real estate is nice to text on, but my biggest beef with the phone is the build quality.

Clearly, Samsung and Google could have done more. I would have been happy using the NS for the next year if Samsung would have used the material of their new phone, the Infuse, on the NS.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
Exactly. And untill then, the Nexus S will be just as good as those dual-core phones, at least for me. Of course, when a new Nexus is released, it will be a lot faster. I think even after a new Nexus is released, the old ones will still get updates for so long they actually 'update' something, and don't make the device slower.

Not only you should buy a Nexus because you get updates fast, or 'normal', as I prefer to say, but also because it just works well. The Nexus S has the same processor as most Android phones, but yet it manages to be a lot faster? It's not magic. It just works well.
[Nexus S General] falconeight:
Until an android pure phone comes out I don't even look at any of them. I would rather buy a WP7 then a UI and bloatware.
[Nexus S General] isjr:
Lol wut

The Nexus One & Nexus S are the purest Android phones. I'm not even going into the details of how superior android is to wp7, they had a slite chance before honeycomb.

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] Darrien13:
my nexus will go very far
[Nexus S General] rockstarar:
i dont own a wp7, but you have too admit the UI is nice.

plus, its a first release.

it is missing A LOTT, but props to ms for trying,

and, maybe to us android is better, but ms isnt catering to us. theyre catering to the end user who wants a phone that just works. i went into bestbuy and played with an hd7 and a nexus s, and the hd7 is smoother. it just is.
[Nexus S General] Loggerhead87:
I think some people were disappointed because they expected the best of hardware and software from the next Google phone. The reality is, the Nexus S isn't the best of both, and you can't get the best of both from any stock device at the moment. For buyers, it's a choice between the latest hardware or the latest software. If you're interested in the best of Android, this is the phone for you. How long it lasts will depend on how long it takes for Google to make another phone, unless someone else releases a pure Android device with better hardware and that's updated with the same regularity of the Google phones, which is unlikely. The CES phones are pretty kick ass with bleeding edge hardware (the Atrix looks uber), but I'd only buy one to say I have the latest hardware, and it most certainly wouldn't change how I use a phone now. I like the pure software experience, even though the latest hardware is always tempting. That said, the novelty of Google's "pure Android" experience might easy be overshadowed if the development pace of new hardware grossly exceeds the future development of the OS, if that makes sense.

~my 2 cents among a slew of other perspectives
[Nexus S General] leerobson99:
The nexus s will still be relevant in a years time, to me the main reason I bought this phone was guaranteed updates as soon as they are released. No bloatware, no waiting around for samsung or htc to get their finger out of their arse to push updates. Simple as that.

Also, dual core processors offer a lot in terms of gaming potential but seriously, these things are going to drain battery life, even though dual core is supposed to save a bit of battery. So on a hardware note I'm not worried either. If I was bothered about hardware then I would have waited for the ces conference to finish before upgrading.

nexus = pure android never mind all that touch wiz n sense bull ****
[Nexus S General] Rusty!:
Until the next Nexus device.
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
Ouch

Hey Rusty I didn't even think about it before but since Nexus One owners were promised updates on time but are still waiting for Gingerbread, do you think that Nexus S owners will have to wait in the same way once the next Nexus phone comes out the following year?
[Nexus S General] Rusty!:
I have no doubt about it, they'll need to make sure the new device sells and the best way to do that is hold back the older devices for a while, just business really.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
Now you are exaggerating a bit. The Nexus S is only released in 2 countries. If the Nexus One would get Gingerbread now, it will get it a lot sooner than the Nexus S in most countries, and that's strange.

So, yes, I do think that Nexus S owners will have to wait as long as Nexus One owners have to wait now.
[Nexus S General] mrcrassic:
Dude, smartphones are the pinnacle of obsolence. Most will become antiquated in less than two years. The only factor that stays constant is the quality of the device; a well-built phone will last a very long time, whereas a cheap feature-phone will probably last exactly that length of time, if not less.
[Nexus S General] SugarMouth:
For sure! The HD7 has a smoother UI and a kick @$$ keyboard! The downfall is once you go outside the native OS everything changes. Installed apps are slow and choppy, so much so that I am selling my HD7 as a result.

Using the Nexus S for a couple days has me missing the fluidness of WP7 and the keyboard on the HD7 is the best I have used hands down.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I am all about my Nexus S!
[Nexus S General] dragon546:
It will be a few months before the Android O/S will support dual core CPU phones right? Well at least in HC rather than GB?
[Nexus S General] leerobson99:
Yes, you are probably right lol I'm surprised google aren't making a tablet too. Would figure.
[Nexus S General] Menace II Society:
Lol.

They aren't going to port a tablet version into the Nexus S. Updates always have to be optimized for the device, no matter what phone or what processor power it has. It's not a simple *copy & paste Honeycomb into the Nexus S* ALRIGHT GUYS! YOU GOT IT NOW!

And Honeycomb is strictly tablet based right now. I haven't seen any word on it being for phones yet.
[Nexus S General] Jonathon Grigg:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/01/09/honeycomb-will-run-on-phones-as-well-not-just-tablets/

Engadget interviewed the UI designer at CES, and he said that 'What you see in Honeycomb is definitely the direction for Android' amongst other things, including that Honeycomb isn't just for tablets, the UI can be scaled down. So there is no official dates, but it is highly likely :D
[Nexus S General] Menace II Society:
Nice find man.

But you know.. I find it really hard to imagine Honeycomb in a phone version. Mostly because Honeycomb looks like it was made for a large screen.
[Nexus S General] Jonathon Grigg:
Well probably not the onscreen buttons, maybe the interfaces, multitasking UI etc. That guy also said what has been shown already is only a little bit of the UI overhaul. :)
[Nexus S General] jroid:
Honeycomb 3.0 uses new native api's called "fragments" that allow an application to express it's views differently according to the screen size. So it will have the same UI, just in different views (layout)
[Nexus S General] Sebastian768:
I've contemplated getting the NEXUS S....and I'm leaning against getting it by around 60/40.

The NEXUS S is basically a Samsung Galaxy S, a phone which is getting close to a year old (March 2010). The only real difference is the curved display and the NFC chip. Basically it's a year old phone with few upgrades. This his hard arguing against.

NFC - unproven, no real uses yet, and no value chain as of yet and most probably only available in the US when released properly.

Curved Display - No one knows WHY it's really curved and what benefits it has. My guess is less reflection. But they are not selling the advantages of the curved display, only THAT it is curved. It's a bit silly really....

I would argue that the NEXUS S was out-dated before it was even released for sale. If you take into account that most smart-phones has a shelf life of 6 months....it's already getting old. (I'm not saying this is a good thing).

The only thing the NEXUS S has going for it is vanilla Android directly from Google. Other than that, it's a boring phone, outdated hardware and outdated design.

The only possible thing that could make it interessting, is if they somehow managed to "hide" functions that would be unlocked at a later stage by OTA. More memory, faster processor (dual-core hummingbird)....

I'm not getting the Nexus S....it's a shame, because I really wanted to want it. It's like Google willfully "designed" and produced an inferior phone..
[Nexus S General] Jonathon Grigg:
Well sure it could have had x and y, but it doesn't. And I find it fine that way ;) lots of these new CES featured phones won't arrive for a month at the earliest, imagine if we had to wait that long for the Nexus S to be released (about 2 months more than original launch), so it doesn't bother me. And it will probably take Google another 8/9 months to make another, and I definitely didn;t want to wait that long. Live in the now ;)

As for the 'outdated hardware', it is currently about top of the line. There are always new phones, but have you noticed that none of them are in stores yet? But the Nexus has been available for about 3 weeks? The 'outdated design' is quite unique, makes it look different to the iSheep everywhere. You can't really change the basic shape of a phone, get used to it. I quite like the subtle curve, helps protect the screen when placed down on a table :)

And FYI, it's not boring one bit. If you had a chance to play with one and fully appreciate it, then all these new dual-core phones would seem dull. It's tinker friendly, allowing all sorts of exciting and interesting things to be possible. Try doing that with many of these (most likely) locked down phones. You can do a lot more with software than hardware, and that's what the Nexus line is all about.
[Nexus S General] Sebastian768:
“Technology is like a fish. The longer it stays on the shelf, the less desirable it becomes.”

Hmmmmm......the Nexus S is a Galaxy S is one year old'ish. Yes the Nexus S is a new phone, it's there now in stores. But it's not what the next Nexus phone should have been.

It's perhaps a good phone, even a great phone.....but it's kind of lackluster
[Nexus S General] Jonathon Grigg:
I guess I'm not representative of the whole community here, but for me, it's perfect. Not only is it cheap to buy outright (outright iPhones here cost $850 or so for 16gb, I got my NS for under $600) but being a student with limited funds, I often find myself a bit behind the technology curve, so I'm used to it :p
[Nexus S General] nexus14:
a student with limited funds shouldn't be buying a $600 phone but i digress.
[Nexus S General] Jonathon Grigg:
It's not all my money, there is Christmas stuff, and my phones just about conked out, so has my iPod touch. So it's something like this:

iPod touch = $280

Decent phone = $200

Total = $480, my Nexus S cost me $580, and I got more than that difference from Christmas :p

So it's all good! lol
[Nexus S General] Sebastian768:
For the price, I think the Galaxy S is a good/great phone. It has everything you need and if you are looking for a new phone it would be perfect. It doesn't look half bad, but it's just not an iPhone or SonyEricsson Arc. The truth is that I fin the phone is a bit bland.

The Nexus S will have a retail price in Norway of about 950$ so getting it for 600$ in the US is a steal! Phones in Norway ARE expensive. The iPhone 16GB is over 1000$.
[Nexus S General] leerobson99:
Sony ericsson arc? From what I've seen the software/bloatware isn't as good as vanilla android. Besides, it ain't even been released yet so I think you are being a little presumptuous. The design of the phone itself however, does look good from the pictures and sony ericsson blog video I saw yesterday.

$1000 for an iphone jesus christ. What a rip off.
[Nexus S General] pierrekid:
Completely agree lol
[Nexus S General] thepoetvd776:
After a lot of thinking and reading all these threads, I came to the conclusion that buying the nexus s was more of an impulse buy than anything else. I just wanted to upgrade from my G1 so badly and I thought that the next nexus would be the best bet. But the more I used it, and then saw what was announced at CES, and would be available in a month or two, it became apparent that the nexus s just isn't the step up I was looking for in terms of hardware life span. It's like what was pointed out in these forums it's the best of the last generation, but that's about it . It's a beautiful phone, and if it would have come out 6 months ago it would have justified the purchase.
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
As I already mentioned to Mokurex, I do not own the Nexus S...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
as much as i remember, i read somethin like it in the milestone forum, it needs a LOT of CPUs working on it,

correct me if i am wrong, an ETA would be like what ? a year ?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Chillaxed:
well if we could make a simple batch file to work on it, i think we could get a few thousand working on it at a time. and this forum is full of nerds haha, so i'm sure alot of them have OC'd quad cores like me.

and yeah cracking a 1024 bit key is basically only possible by guessing/starving the CPU of voltage to create errors so you can slowly piece together the key. but that's almost just as much work.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Lord Takyon:
Or it could be a day. I don't follow the bootloader thread as it is very slow moving and doesn't appear to be getting very far, that's not a go at the people working on it either.

Maybe someone could get something like this going as a sideline? Someone could get lucky, and it gives us 'lesser mortals' a chance to help.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Bin4ry:
If you really want to start such a project the first thing you have to think about is:

Which files are used for signature and which parts of them.

To proove that you have to alter every single file in every line to test and proove.

We have done some work on this before and we found that some lines in the build.prop are used for that.

Jerpelea has some more informations which lines cannot be changed without softbrick -> that are the lines the signature is checked on.

So this should be the first step. The pure mathematics is very trivial and not the problem.

If you all want to go this way just think about from the beginning and do the brute force in some kind of cpu pool. If not you will not get something EVER! :P

1.) Find the signature parts

2.) Code some stuff to get the bruteforcing working on multi-machines

3.) Calculate & prey

Regards

Bin4ry
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Lord Takyon:
So anyone here have experience to set up a distributed computing project for this?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] olafski72:
Please also know that the PSP is also hacked this week. The code was the same as the PS3! http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/psp-now-also-open-console-developers-74290/
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Chillaxed:
Ok, let's get this rolling guys. Anybody can make a random number generator, but we need it to check with the bootloader. Connecting to the phone and asking if each password is the right one will be slow, is there any way to get the bootloader onto a computer so we can hack it way faster?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Gergith:
I'm down for donating some CPU time from all 4 of my computers in my house.

I almost guarantee most of us are geeks who have at least 2 pc's :p As a result we all should have LOTS of spare cycles.

I think the most important part of this will be keeping track of whats been tried and by who.

I have been following this forum and joined this community as a result of getting my x10a.

Given how long we all waited for the initial root, and how we are all still waiting. I'm sure this may actually be possible.

I like the idea of giving people like me with very poor coding ability and no extra money a 3rd way to contribute towards these efforts :)

Perhaps we can use http://boinc.berkeley.edu ? (it's the back end for things like seti@home and folding@home)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ooidort:
I'm definitely in if people get this to work. I have two quad core computers availible for some processing powah.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Gergith:
OR perhaps this program should be written FOR the x10a, and NOT windows?

So I can plug in my phone at night, start an application, and bruteforce while I sleep?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] olafski72:
I have tweeted the hacker on this, whether the code can have any chance on the X10. Or look at my signature and we also ASK this at SE, to release the bootloader code. Please vote!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] NeoInc:
I have two quadcore pc and running every day so np for me to spend some time for this

Greetings
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] QAM:
Hola

I am definitely in to help with the CPU processing side of things. Like so many nerds around here I have more than 2 x quad based processor machines to help out.

Waiting in anticipation. Thanks to all.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] DaveShaw:
The PS3 was broke because someone messed up with RNG IIRC.

If correctly generated private keys could be brute forced easily then RSA, and all public key crypto would fail.

Dave
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mr_at_sgs:
Don't make jokes, your phone would burn! This algorithm means 100% Load. This would never be finished because low cpu power.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] gulpreet:
The main problem we'll be facing when doing this is how the keys that we generated will be tested with the bootloader. We could generate a whole bunch of possible keys but we need a way figure out how to test them with the bootloader. The 2nd major problem would be making sure that the keys generated by one person aren't the same as the keys generated by the next. Those are the two major problems we need to be focusing on.

And by test them with the bootloader... I don't mean keeping the phone plugged in... we need to be able to check if the keys work in realtime.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Chillaxed:
Yeah were gonna need to bruteforce the key with current RSA vulnerabilities and then if that doesn't work we can move on to other methods, if Sony did it right all we can do is random numbers.

Distributed computing would work because then we can split up all of the number possibilities into sections so we aren't all trying all of the combinations at once
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Skamba:
With all the computing power in the world, you wouldn't be able to brute force a 1024 bit rsa key within millions of years

Basically, 128 bit is considered brute force safe. And 1024 doesn't take 8 times as long. It takes 2^(1024 - 128) = 5.28294531 * 10^269 as long.

So, plain brute force is never going to work.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Chillaxed:
This is where distributed computing comes into play. We can write in top of the backbone and make our own.