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[Nexus S General] schizopunk:
I used to have an HTC Evo which has a 4.3 inch display & IMHO it was way too big of a screen. I then got the Samsung Epic 4G & it was so much better screen size wise. Mainly what made me switch to the Nexus S was it was Pure Google. You get the best of both worlds… Samsung makes the hardware but Google handles the updates.

A 4.5 inch display, to me, should be the point where it gets labeled as a tablet, not a smartphone.

But maybe that's just me…
[Nexus S General] tommyz2kool:
Dual cores coming out with 1900ma batteries tells me that DC isnt as good for battery life as many people think its going to be.

The motorola atrix looks really thick.
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
looks just like the Galaxy Vibrant from Tmobile
[Nexus S General] distortedloop:
I hope it doesn't "feel" just like the Vibrant (and i9000 which shares the same body).

I'd convinced myself that the i9000 I have didn't feel cheap, but after six months, and comparing it to my Nexus S, the i9000 (and the Vibrant I gave my friend) definitely feel less sturdy. The i9000 creaks like an old man's joints when I press the bezel...
[Nexus S General] jthornton71707:
I somewhat agree but for me the deciding factor is the screen. The iphone 4 changed everything for me at least. I went from that to a mytouch 4g, g2 and now to my nexus s... the nexus is the only one I'm happy with due to the great screen. Could be just me but that's it. I think only one of the phones announced today has a great screen that can compete. If I recall right its the 4.5" phone. I might pick that up if it's the case... but keep in mind we won't see any of these for at least a few months.
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
i'll totally be all over that new phone, if it were offered in 1700/2100

but since they mentioned AT&T it is 850/1900 guaranteed, i doubt it will work for whom ever owns a Nexus S right now

unless you change phone companies as you change the phone.

i usually tend to stick with the best plan on the market and go for whichever is the best phone available that works on the bandwidth of the phone plan
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
I honestly dont see any NS owners jump ship for a device with Touchwiz,

For an OC'd CPU, no big deal
[Nexus S General] DKYang:
It's CES for crying out loud. They always have big announcements since it's one of the biggest electronic conferences in the world. I don't know why anyone would be surprised (as in better hardware than 2010 phones) from any announcements from it. Also, most of the those phones probably won't be out for a good while. It took the Galaxy S phone 6 months after its announcement at CES last year.

Is it me or does some of HTC's phones look like the Evo?
[Nexus S General] Mokurex:
That Samsung phone is nothing, check out the new Motorola phone:
[Nexus S General] rashad1:
That's what she said.
[Nexus S General] The Jones:
The thing is that Moto will lock it down. The screen may have a higher res, but that just isnt needed (I certainly cant see the difference any more) and will apps support it?

1Gb of RAM is obviously not needed - I have never run out of RAM. Ever. The amount of internal storage is excellent.

Can someone explain to me please how any phone can be faster than my Nexus S!? Yes, some of the UI runs at less than 60fps, but in reality? Everything is already instant!
[Nexus S General] allen099:
I can't possibly agree more with you than on the screen sizes! Really...4" is PERFECT...for a phone. You know where I want my dual-cores? In a tablet. Nexus S is what you want for the pure google experience. If you want something that will be used as a media device (since really that's what dual-core is for), then a tablet with a larger screen is the way to go.
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
To me the Motorola Atrix 4g or the LG Optimus 2x so far are the future.

Atrix:

- 4' screen with higher resolution

- 1930mAh battery!

- Laptop dock (amazing utility for most, but not all, people)

- Tegra 2 dual core

- 1GB of ram

- HSPA+

- 16GB onboard storage and expandable with SD card to 48GB

- 850mghz Att radio frequency for better building penetration than T-mobiles 2100

LG Optimus 2x:

- HDMI mirroring, so unlike the Evo or DroidX you can actually plug your phone into your TV with an HDMI cable and then play all the android game emulators with a wiimote controller on your TV just like a regular Super Nintendo or Playstation :eek:

Also Honeycomb was just shown off and it is "only built for tablets" (no phone update?) so the next phone Google update might take awhile to roll out (maybe once a year like Andy was saying before)
[Nexus S General] rashad1:
The video says "built entirely for tablets", not built only for tablets. Two totally different ideas. This means the new OS is tablet compatible unlike previous versions, which also ran on tablets.
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
so far are the future till you know 2 months down the road when they become obsolete

i still see zero need for a dual core in a phone, and really 1gig of ram what the hell is that for
[Nexus S General] Kubernetes:
Is it me or does some of HTC's phones look like the Evo?

HTC is just putting out the same phone over and over and calling it new. Every phone is either HD2/Evo or G2-based; the only different phones they've put out are the MT3G and DInc, although the former was just a G2 in a different body and the DInc was an N1 in a different body.
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
they are the same form factor and most of the times the same hardware.
[Nexus S General] j.bruha:
THIS. I can not emphasize it enough. AT&T deserves to die in a fire for how poor of a company they are overall and that's enough to steer me away from ANY phone they offer, no matter how good. Ecstatic that I left them last year.

I'm actually much more excited about the G-slate, but not the Xoom. Motorola, to a lesser degree, deserves the same fate as AT&T on general principle. Let Motorola Mobility fail.
[Nexus S General] mcp2009:
I will admit all the phones coming out seem beautiful. Dual core seems awesome too. I owned a Nexus One since release and Loved it and til this day It is my fav phone. After the nexus came out we had devices like the evo come out and I know I personally wanted to switch just for the screen. I ended up buying the G2 release day (preordered) and it's my current phone and I love it but I love my Nexus more and would rather use it as my main phone but the main reasons I don't use it is because not enough internal mem and worse battery life. I currently am awaiting for my Nexus S which should be here next week which will be my main phone. I considered waiting for dual core but the truth is I want the "GOOGLE" phone. I want to continue having a "Nexus". The screen size on it is perfect because it's not to big not to small. Phone looks awesome too. After the Nexus One came out a lot of better or nicer phones came out. There WILL ALWAYS be something better thats the thing about technology. If Nexus S gets the same dev support as the Nexus One then it's life will last for a while. My next phone after the S will most likely be the next "Nexus" and that's how it will continue. Google will always update their phones to the latest OS possible that the phone can handle, manufactures will just stop updating a phone when they please. So as it stands I can't wait for my Nexus S and I don't think another phone will make me want to switch until I see another Google phone
[Nexus S General] tintingkc:
Google is to blame for the NS short comings. Sammy already had a solid device in the Galaxy S line. Why would they dumb down and cheapen what they had unless the contractor (Google) wanted it.

Its not like Blackberry and Apple that are making devices for themselves. Sammy made what Google wanted.
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
...for google the Emphasis is not on the hardware but the software..

Software makes or breaks a phone
[Nexus S General] jwr2d2:
None of the phones have a nfc chip though. That'll be big soon

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
thats very far fetched, unless they unlock the "write" ability of our NFC chip then it be pointless
[Nexus S General] Arcadia310:
If you have something locked down like an iPhone then yes, software would make or break it.

But with Android I have much more freedom. Is my MT4G broken because it shipped with mySense? I think not. I have this baby overclocked to 1.8Ghz and running stock gingerbread 2.3.1 with all of the features the Nexus S has.

Also, how the heck could the Nexus S run honeycomb? The tablets are held in landscape mode. There's just no way it would work directly on a phone. There would have to be some customizations made.
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
I think 2 separate versions one for tablets an another for phones, similar to ios
[Nexus S General] Jonathon Grigg:
Great post man, exactly how I feel. To be honest, it does seem tempting to get the absolute best hardware, but I imagine if you were comparing

the Nexus S to these new phones, the new phones would make you unhappier sooner because of the lack of timely updates. What if Google comes out with some awesome new feature in the next few months and you a. have to wait for a dev to port it (good idea) or b. wait months for Samsung/HTC/Moto to release it.

Software is the key factor these days, and I think Google knows that (and why i bought a Nexus S) ;)
[Nexus S General] Jonathon Grigg:
Not that unlikely, I imagine it's quite plausible actually. I think it's only locked due to security issues, and once that gets sorted it should be all good. It's also not unusual for companies to unlock features as time moves on (either to make more money :( or because they finally developed software for it)
[Nexus S General] Mokurex:
I'm surprised some of you guys mentioned that "you don't need a dual core processor or why would you want 1gb of ram." That doesn't sound like a tech geek to me :P Seriously, do you need a 6 core processor with 16gb ram in your PC for daily use? You probably don't, but wouldn't you want one? Hell yea. There is no such thing as too much ram. LOL
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
I dont think you need a dual core cpu in a phone at this present time. i dont think you need a gig of ram at this present time either.

If the NS came out the week of CES after all these announcements. id still get a NS
[Nexus S General] tommyz2kool:
Huh? Videos and pics clearly show honeycomb being used in portrait orientation. Some UI elements obviously wouldnt work on a phone, but most of them should.
[Nexus S General] Jonathon Grigg:
Well said ;) and I guess you're right there too. We are becoming too greedy :p
[Nexus S General] gogol:
I will NOT ... if that will increase the COST of the phone.

Why would I pay more to get couple more fps? :D

With current state of Android 2.3.1, single core is more than enough.

Unless you have piles of money to burn of course :)
[Nexus S General] Kubernetes:
In that case it will only be "big" if the next iPhone supports it. Otherwise there won't be enough users to make it big.
[Nexus S General] ekerazha:
Another iPhone 3GS clone, just like the Galaxy S GT-I9000
[Nexus S General] jreal:
Its all a matter preference. I prefer a larger screen over pocketablity. I prefer faster clock speeds. I also better cameras. Plus, the fact that the Nexus S is "pure goole" isn't even a major plus in my opinion. Especially since the develpoers in this community will have the SAMSUNG INFUSE 4G rooted and optimized in just a few weeks after its launch.
[Nexus S General] unremarked:
For those of you concerned about the Nexus S, or any phone in general, getting Honeycomb due to the ambiguity of the "built for tablets" comment:

Source: http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/22845294886518785#
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
This.

The great irony is given the brevity of developers, modders, and hackers that will likely port any and every iteration of Android over to these super phones, almost negates the one trump card the Nexus line has.
[Nexus S General] Arcadia310:
Exactly. Its kind of annoying how people act ignorant to the fact that almost every high end smartphone will get any update Google puts out. I would never spend $580 on a smartphone that lacks so many features just so I can get an update or two just a few days before the dev community does.
[Nexus S General] brianbrain:
This is highly over generalized. SOME superphones are graced with a great dev community that makes the latest updates possible. Many, however, get left behind. It's anybody's guess which phone will spawn a successful dev community and which ones won't. Additionally, even the dev community is somewhat limited on how far they can take their ports. I wouldn't place the Nexus S' advantage at just a "couple of days" either.

Look at the US Galaxy S line, for example. From what I can tell, these phones are STILL only running dev builds of 2.2 based off of leaked manufacturer betas.
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
everyone just be thankfull we dont own a fascinate, that phone doesnt seem to get any DEV love
[Nexus S General] jblade1000:
amen to that...:cool:
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
True. But another counter point would be that custom ROMs, when they get released, can sometimes run even better than most stock builds.
[Nexus S General] brianbrain:
You're correct, but you also must realize that the NS won't exactly be lacking in the custom ROM department either. Which would you prefer? A ported or beta based rom, with certain concessions or bugs (yet still better than stock)..or custom roms based off of the newest official final source? You have to remember as well, as NS users, we will get everything quicker - not just official updates from Google, but dev roms as well as they are working from code released sooner, on a more regular basis, and made specifically for the phone in question.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
Well said.
[Nexus S General] unremarked:
One thing I haven't seen mentioned, and something that's a big selling point for me, is the ability to hack/root a phone and take complete control over it. Devices in the past have had to rely on security holes, kernel exploits, or other such things in order to gain access. The Nexus devices are unlocked with a simple fastboot command and, in the case of the Nexus S, relocked with one too.

Rooting has become increasingly difficult as OEMs have developed new ways to lock down their devices. I'm sure most of us are familiar with the amount of effort it took to root the G2(/Desire Z/MT4G/DesireHD), and the fact that HTC recently pushed out an official update to Desire Z/Desire HD devices which have rendered them unrootable(at the moment, anyway). And I believe the Droid X's bootloader is still locked, although, if I understand correctly, the developers working on that phone have found a workaround.

Anywho, the point I'm making here is that the ability to gain root (relatively easily) and completely customize my phone how I want it is something that's important to me. I don't think I'd ever be satisfied with a device that I couldn't hack and change. Because of this, I'm extremely weary of ever buying another one from HTC/Motorola.
[Nexus S General] :
I bought the n1 and the ns almost out of principle. I'm supporting the movement to untether your phone hardware from your carrier. Enough of that ****, let them compete on service, not shiny devices.
[Nexus S General] mcp2009:
I'm with you on this. Good to see you here, remember seeing you on the N1 forum a lot. Can't wait for my NS
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
Unremarked, is this feature known as the oft heard about Fastbook OEM unlock thing?

Am I understanding it correctly, you can easily root via just a simple command, then unroot via the same command, and thus still get official updates from Google? Is that how it's done by you (et all) when you want to "revert" back to be able to get the latest Google update? Is that how Google wants Nexus lines to be too?

I'm reluctant to root for a variety of fears (bricking, not getting the latest update because Google doesn't recognize my stock build, etc)
[Nexus S General] brianbrain:
The command he's referring to only unlocks or re-locks the bootloader. There are additional steps for rooting and/or unrooting. Would certainly be nice if Google gave us root along with unlocking the bootloader, but we can't get greedy now I guess ;)
[Nexus S General] Androidfreakz:
All I know is if the Lg optimus X2 is to come to tmobile ill be getting it. Love my NS but I would take slow updates and crapware for duelcore/1080/hdmi and the list goes on.
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
dualcore is all find and dandy...on a computer but what is the need for a dual core on a phone?

How many highend games do you play on android to warrant a tegra2?

I dont even think any present version of android can take advantage of dual core anyways
[Nexus S General] Zorachus:
I think best to wait until Summer for a truly next gen phone. When the iPhone 5 is due out in June, you bet your marbles Android will have something bad ass up it's sleeve to compete at the same time. I heard the EVO-2 will be out then, with dual core, and the newest Android OS release. Also Nexus-3.0 coming later in year running "ice cream", made by HTC.

The stuff they announcing at CES is cool, but not night and day better than the current stuff like Nexus-S and EVO. I rather wait until dual core is trully optimized for the phones, and running on the latest Android OS update. That will be this Summer.

I am happy as a clam with my Nexus-S right now, it is snappy fast, awesome screen, lightweight and compact, feels great in the hand, and hides in pocket easily. Battery life is good. There needs to be something truly bad ass to make me switch, and most likely won't be until the Nexus-3.0.
[Nexus S General] RogerPodacter:
i was going to say this. everyone posting on this forum really should care WHAT phone they get or care about "fast updates from google" because you will put on the latest ROM from AOSP to whatever phone you are running, no?

for example i've used the nexus one for almost a year, and we all wait to load up the newest cyanogen ROM. the update from google is rarely ever what i wait for.

the ONLY caveat i will say is its advantage is cyanogen needs only minor tweaking from the OTA update, rather than other phones needing all kinds of driver tweaks etc, to get the same AOSP source on the phone. but still...
[Nexus S General] unremarked:
"fastboot oem unlock/lock" is the command to unlock the bootloader. The bootloader is like BIOS on a PC; it's the lowest level of the operating system. Gaining control of the bootloader is the (usually) first most important step in rooting. Can you root without touching the bootloader? On certain devices, sure, but again that's where the security holes/kernel exploits/etc thing come in. The Nexus One had the ability to unlock, but not lock.

Rooting usually means that you, as a user, gain Superuser access(# instead of $ in terminal) and can change system files from read-only to read/write and thus make changes at will. Once you've unlocked the bootloader, you can push a custom recovery, then flash a .zip which contains a script to push two things to their respective locations: Superuser.apk(/systme) and the relevant BIN files(which I understand are like DLL files on a PC) needed for Superuser to execute commands. I know this sounds like a complicated process, but it's really not.

Anywho, if you decide to root your device and stay on the stock ROM, then you will still receive the OTAs. Most custom ROMs disable this ability because OTA updates usually contain root-breaking things or security fixes. As far as bricking goes, it's exceptionally hard(in most cases) to brick devices these days. As long as you are flashing something that's meant to be for your phone (i.e. don't try to flash something meant for the Motorola Droid on the Nexus S), then you can always restore through NAND Backup(a feature of custom recoveries). Further, Google usually releases the original shipping ROM which can restore your phone completely to it's original out-of-box status. For some reason, they're dragging their feet on this last bit.

As for Google wanting us to do this... my answer is no. Google doesn't want us to root/hack/unlock our phone. They want us to do what WE want to do with our phone. They put the option in there so that if we so chose to, we can. If we chose not to, then hey that's great too. I'm absolutely sure that every Nexus line phone will have this feature because the ability to choose is awesome. :)
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
Thanks for the explanation. I did flash a few ROMs on my old Vibrant via Odin (J12 through J16, I believe) so some of this makes sense, but of course, that process didn't require rooting. :o

If I root my Nexus S, but don't flash any custom ROMs, then what's the point of rooting? Just to gain superuser access? And if so, then what? What can I do with that if I don't mean to flash any custom ROMs? I remember rooting on the Vibrant meant you could apply a variety of lag fixes, but the Nexus S doesn't seem to need that. Just curious as to what some benefits are for rooting a Nexus S.
[Nexus S General] unremarked:
Haha, I'm glad you got something out of it! I was re-reading it and I was like, "Man that's the worst explanation of anything ever." And, I'm not familiar with Odin but that sounds pretty interesting. :) I imagine that they were official ROMs, though?

If you root the Nexus S, but don't flash custom ROMs, you can still do a number of things with the superuser access. Such as pushing ringtones to the /system partition so they stay ;) lol.

There are some apps that can only be utilized with root access such as Titanium Backup, or ROM Manager(though that's more for flashing ROMs as the name implies). Overclock your CPU using the Trinity stock kernel. Further you could use the blackback ground Mms.apk/Gmail.apks or the new market apk found in the Themes/Development section... stuff like that.
[Nexus S General] dudeimgeorge:
im happy to have started a nice discussion thread. even though i got sacked for sounding noobish and whining about the specs. its great to see how strong a community android has established with open, full range, unlocked, vanilla, bloatware free, AIDS immune phones.

your all my best friends.
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
Huh??? :confused:
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
And all these benefits would still mean Google updates would get to my phone, as long as I don't install custom ROMs (custom ROMs that disable the update for fear of destroying root) correct? And the only risk of those Google updates would be that they would destroy root, aka relock the Fastboot OEM thingy removing superuser access... which I could unlock easily again with that one command? Um, right? -_-'