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[Android Apps and Games] zcdg:
I didn't discover any single bug on this phone yet.

I mean in kernel they didn't provide current for some reason - not because of bug.

I used before HD2 and was real current reporting and liked it that way. But Sensation is not so what? i can live without it. I won't change back to realy old buggy phone because can't see real current.

Sorry, I said ALMOST useless for current monitoring for Senasation - not app itself useless.

I just told people that is impossible to get real(or close to it) current for this phone because of HTC. And nobody can do anything about it now.

P.S. Your app i can tell is the best around.
[Android Apps and Games] pctelco:
@ 3c: Do you have a tip for me maybe as I get back the history graph in the widget (s. post #475)?

Or is it a known bug in the current version?

As written before, the graph has work until yesterday on both devices perfectly. Only since the update from yesterday it show only a white line in the widget, instead of the curve of the remaining battery capacity in percent.

Many thanks for your support!
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
Well, the Sensation kernel (as the Evo 3D) do provide mA, but it keeps being incorrect in standby! Why put it in the first place if so flawed, I'm wondering (A SGS2 doesn't provide it at all and the app using estimates can be more accurate!). This is giving me much headache to try to cope with that and receiving hundredth of request about it!

Of the few bugs on that phone (but if you read the forums you'll find more):

- 100% bug

- Widget corruption

- kernel reporting wrong mA during standby

Though most of them are no bother except the widget corruption. But it seems HTC didn't built all Sensation the same way and some seems to suffer more than others!?
[Android Apps and Games] zcdg:
- What is 100% bug? You mean stays long on 100% - as for me it is not a bug at all.

- I don't have Widget corruption(i don't know what you mean)

- Kernel reporting to the system just 0 ma in standby and active work all the time, not wrong values - it is not a bug too. It was made by reason - prob. to hide real consumption or was impossible to measure and report correctly(SGSII is the same).

BTW i use Bell stock ROM, but rooted.

I tried a lot of custom ROMs just to test - all of them i try were with real bugs. So returned to Bell stock and it is very fine.

Don't blame what you realy don't know was made for....

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Just remove any kind of battery current estimations and tell people - current in standby can't be measured on Sensation and so on. And your life will be just fine :D

Can't jump over the head....

P.S. from reading now i know what is Widget corruption - defenetly didn't have this problem at all....
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
Interesting you say I shouldn't blame what I realy don't know was made for....

I'm talking about stock ROM!

-100% for 5 hours after 4 benchmarks is definitely wrong and fake!

- Kernel reports a range from 150 and 300mA on standby, so not sure where you got this 0mA, maybe from current widget app?

SGS2 doesn't provide anything, but my app provides estimates, and those are very accurate as long as you understand their limits!

Only on the Sensation I get those huge amount of support requests, because most users had a HD2 and have expectations with current mA these days!

I don't get that amount of requests with any other phones, even though many use the estimated algorithm!

Also I downloaded the kernel sources and checked for myself: When a comment says 'trick to shows 100% otherwise unreachable', something is definitely wrong there!

You're probably one of the lucky owners without too many issues!

So I blame what I know about and FYI I never talk without having verified my sources.
[Android Apps and Games] pctelco:
3c ?

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[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
If you disable the 'check history gaps' in the history settings, things should get back to normal. Indeed there is a conflict with another internal feature that's causing this.

Sorry for the late reply, I had the same question on my site, and as I'm busy working on preparing the update, just forgot to reply.
[Android Apps and Games] zcdg:
Ok OK you know everything very well - no body can argue with you;)

I can tell you where you can get right figures of current and other from system - what is realy available. But you should know it?

Read this link

http://www.greengar.com/2011/04/androidbattery/

So Sensation kernel report to the system 0 in standby and active work and charge current in charge. Everything as i said. No any kind of high current digits in standby. Where do you get high current not zero i don't know.

HD2 for example report real current there in battery current file with minus if discharge. refreshed every minute.

You can use battery current file to check if it is Sensation - if 0 ma just estimate if you like as with SGSII. If positive and not zero then charge and don't estimate - simple like that.:D

Looks like you are a math guy(trying to estimate everything)....
[Android Apps and Games] gotjazz:
So before switching to electricity the phone runs on magic for a couple of hours?
[Android Apps and Games] zcdg:
You're probably one of the lucky owners without too many issues!

I don't have any kind of issues!!!:)

P.S. Phone runs 2-3 days easely with low usage- it is enough for me.

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What a strange people are here on XDA - why not to just use phone, not They need to know current every minute or so.... funny... HD2 made us to be this way because custom ROMs where not perfect i guess....:) and we always suspected too high current.... this is kind of paranoia:D...
[Android Apps and Games] pctelco:
I have test this option, but is exactly the same with set the option or not. The graph is showing anytime after wakup, but mostly the widget shows only a single white line.

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[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
What data did you select to show in the widget?
[Android Apps and Games] pctelco:
I've select the remaining percentage to show in the widget.

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[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
Can you post your history file, or use the 'support request' to send it from your phone? Please add a quick note to it so I can recognize it easily.

EDIT: Actually did you get the last 1.8.8 update? It should be ok now.
[Android Apps and Games] pctelco:
All right, the release 1.8.8 seems to be okay.

Thanks for your support!

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[Android Apps and Games] dertester123:
Just installed the update!!

Is the Use Times new, or did i miss it the last updates ?:p

Very cool!

Just out of curiosity:

How are these values provided? I mean how does the app identify online and offline audio for example? Is this provided by android itself or do you use some kind of list e.g. with game names, that you count on the values.

And some words on your products in general:

I really really appreciate the many updates, your availability here in the thread and the process of developement.

With every update i can see that u hear what users want (or where problems are).

And you app is one of the few that really changed many times in the past and just was better than before. Especially usability, feeling, graphics.

Thanks for that!
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
Thanks for your feedback. Not everyone likes the many updates, received a few comments from annoyed users, but I'd rather fix bugs and improve the app as soon as I can for everyone's benefits.

The use times was added a couple of updates ago. For now only the 'standby' time uses history to find-out the minimum mA drain from your phone.

The whole screen is still experimental and I hope to improve it with using the real data from history and also from the battery stats from Android (if I manage to get the structure of that file).

Other time values uses 'average' consumption (hard-coded for now) that I've measured on various phones and a few mix-up of them, eg online/local audio use the same initial value + wifi/mobile data average consumption.

There's another tab planned there for 'past-statistics' to show screen-on time since unplugged, and rework the usage screen from Android into something more usable, eg run-times instead of %... Once I do that I should be able to improve the use-times with those statistics!

PS: I never imagined I'll add so many features into the app. Often I believed the app was kinda complete already!
[Android Apps and Games] stuffinthesky:
I love frequent updates. Always room for improvement with any software. A dev who consistently address the issues and improves their work is a dev worth supporting.
[Android Apps and Games] Tokl:
I also do like the frequent updates, and its cool to see your 2 (main) Programs BMW and PMW

growing this great way!

I do remember the early days and can see what its going now, awesome!

So a big THANKS for your great fast support and helpful developing!

I do ask me where you get the time and energy to repeat nearly to every post, even when users sometimes are very annoying or stupid (remember the discussion about the buggy mA reading of the sensation in BMW, people blame your program even when you explain its the phone...)

Your future plans are sounding very promising!

Greetz from the Neighbourhood, Tokl
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
Glad to see you like the frequent updates too. I like sharing new things or bug fixes quickly so everyone enjoy the best experience with my apps. But I can understand some users being annoyed when they don't feel concerned by a particular update.

Anyway, I do what I can with the little free time I have, mostly at night when the kids are sleeping. And testing is not always thorough as it could be (sometimes I'm too impatient to share a new feature/improvement) and don't have the luxury to spend hours on testing either.

Not only I reply here on XDA, but also on my own web site and to the many emails I receive. It's a challenge and push me to make better apps: the less bugs and the more user-friendly the appas are, the less questions I get... will eventually get there (I hope) one little step at a time.

Actually the arguments are very helpful, they allow for some explanations of how things really are, even though some users don't care.

Here is a funny story about that: A member of XDA blamed me for not explaining on the app description that it did not support the HTC Sensation, after admitting to never read app descriptions! How funny that one was!
[Android Apps and Games] Tokl:
lol lol lol :d
[Android Apps and Games] coolfire:
Some people are trigger-happy with apps. lol

Awesome work there & always looking forward to your updates, mate! :D
[Android Apps and Games] adamdelozier:
So here is some strictly informational stuff for you guys. Not sure how consistent this is, but....all of the problems I have been having with proper percentages and rapid drops, etc. seem to be related to an aftermarket 3500mAH battery. Since switching back to the stock 1500 battery, I am seeing normal usage and fairly accurate reporting. My phone actually stayed on this morning until it reached zero percent on the battery meter. I ran my phone for a little over 4 hours straight, right off the charger. During this time, I was connected to WiFi, playing Words with Friends, Hanging with Friends, did a few Market updates, talked on the phone for 18 minutes, sent a few texts, checked email a few times, watched a 45 minute avi file and downloaded 2 350MB files.Brightness was set to its lowest setting and Juice Defender in the background. Display on time was over 4 hours and time without signal was about 5% (I have a few dead zones in my house. I was wondering if anyone has any input on if they think this is good batter time?? This is the first time I have truly tested a full constant drain from 100 down to zero ( i dont normally have this much time in one day!) Thanks! And look forward to your thoughts and comments...And hey...if you like the info here, drop me a thanks :)

Edit: Phone is the Epic 4G
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
The 4 hours constant use seems ok to me, that's what I get more or less too.

For your aftermarket issue, that might be related to the calibration data being stored for the stock battery and not consistent with this new battery.

So it might help to clear the battery statistics (menu from main app screen), and run some calibrations with the aftermarket battery.

I don't think the use of Juice Defender helped in any ways get those 4 hours. This app is only useful when going in standby on older Android OS where the radios (wifi, mobile) are not controlled by OS. I don't use it and can get up to 48 hours of light usage or 4/5 hours of constant use.

EDIT: The next feature will be the calibration of multiple batteries, so this could help track the battery capacities of your 2 batteries. Be patient as I should get an extra battery for testing very soon.
[Android Apps and Games] adamdelozier:
Thanks for the response 3c! The aftermatket situation, I tried just what you suggested...but it never seemed to get better.

I am going to run some light usage tests, with and without JD ...and see what I get.
[Android Apps and Games] coolfire:
Great update mate!

For me, after updating to 1.8.8, my aftermarket 3500mah seems to have gone crazy, even after running 1 full discharge/charge cycle - getting a drain of approx. 12% an hour with my normal usage where previously on 1.7.5, battery life used to be a wonderful 36 or so hours. My 5min history logging fluctuates like mad now, going between 500+ - 1000+mah, while in use, and 300+ on standby. And having mA corrections or % increment on or off doesn't seem to help too. :p i will be running my aftermarket 3500 battery down now as I'm typing this, and will charge it back up again to see how things fare.

Glad to read that 3c will be updating this wonderful app to store various batteries' data! :D

Sent from my SGSII
[Android Apps and Games] PeQuEsan:
If I want to calibrate my battery, what should I use "measured" or "calculated" mAh option? I don't understand the difference between both options... ¿?

Thanks a lot!
[Android Apps and Games] coolfire:
Switched back to my stock 1650mah Sammy battery and all seems goodie now... :)

Sent from my SGSII
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
Sorry there's no much documentation about this yet.

Basically the calculated mAh is based on mV range, comparing the specification input on top of the screen and what's actually found in the history file.

The measured mAh is the average measures of all mA reported during charge and discharge, eg the sum of all mA during a full charge + sum of all mA during a full discharge, all acounting against the total battery charge.

Accuracy of the first will depends on the specs being close to reality, I usually use the estimated value to update the mV and understand how battery capacity evolves over time.

Accuracy of the measued mAh depends on accuracy of measured mA, whether you have a phone that reports accurate mA or not or if the app has to estimate the mA. I'm still working on measuring the total capacity from estimated mA to improve its accuracy, but it's usually a nice indicator.

Glad it now works better, so maybe your extended battery is not that good or the calibration didn't work (did you clear the battery stats data before running charge/dicsharge cycles?).
[Android Apps and Games] PeQuEsan:
mA measures accuracy depens only on the phone model, or also on kernel&ROM? I'm a proud user of an HTC Desire BTW.

I still don't understand very well. Let me read it twice, and I'll come back in case of doubts.

Thanks.
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
From experience I'd say it primarily depends on phone model. Then most kernel keeps the value as-is, though I've seen a couple of kernels messing the value.

Phones that do not report it, never do no matter the kernel (as far as I've seen).
[Android Apps and Games] coolfire:
I usually discount the claimed capacities on these aftermarket extendeds, but having used it for about 2 months with BMW, I was getting roughly 30-40% more batter life than the Sammy stock 1650. In fact, before I updated to 1.8.8, while on 1.7.5, its recorded capacity went up to 4017mah. Lol

Will clear battery stats again once I have run down my stock. :) keep up the great work mate, looking forward to your update whereby different battery capacities can be stored.

Sent from my SGSII
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
It will be interesting not only to calibrate/store data for more than one battery, but also compare their performance with a simple screen.

Though I'm still waiting for the second battery to develop and test this new feature.

In the mean-time working on the "since unplug" statistics screen to see what data I can get out of the phone to later use in the usage time screen.
[Android Apps and Games] chaoscreater:
Hi 3C, I've purchased both your Battery Monitor Widget and System Tuner Pro.

I can't figure out how to export the data recorded by Battery Monitor Widget and use it in System Tuner Pro. Can you provide some instructions please? I can't find any setting or option to export your data.
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
Export is automatic, there's an option in 'recording items' of System Tuner Pro, but it should be enabled by default.

Data is imported at the end of a recording, I'll be working on importing live data in a future update.
[Android Apps and Games] chaoscreater:
Wow thanks for your quick reply!

Hmm I still don't quite understand. I do know that when you press the Menu button, it will show show 2 options, Settings and Record. Then, simply press 'Record' and let it run for a couple of minutes, and then stop it and analyze the recording. I know about it already and it's a very useful feature.

The thing is, I want to export the recorded data from Battery Monitor Widget, so that I can use System Tuner Pro to import it and analyze it. On your description for BMW, it says you can export data to let STP import it so that's why I bought it in the first place.

I do remember seeing the export option somewhere on BMW, but that was when I was using the free version. After buying the app, I don't see that option anywhere.....

Lastly, for the 'Calibrate' option on BMW, how do I use it?? I entered in the the capacity values for all 3 required boxes, and I can't figure out how to calibrate it....

btw I really love both apps, it's really useful and I just wanna say keep up the good work!
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
For the export from BMW, it's fully activated in the pro version. No particular option about it, System Tuner Pro will request the data when needed.

Indeed once the recording stops (either manually or at the end of a cycle) BMW data is exported and included in the recording. Analyzing this recording will show something like the attached screenshot.

The calibration screen is a helper screen to track battery capacity and help you get actual data from it. Once you entered the 3 values, you run full charge/discharge cycles and go back to that screen to check actual mV range. The range might be different from the original expected one. So better update that data before using the calculated mAh.

The measured mAh is the 'sum' of all mA measures trying to show how good is your battery compared to specs. It's not that accurate, but it's a good indicator of the battery quality.

I'm not sure yet how I can improve that screen to make it easier to use, but will work on that.
[Android Apps and Games] coolfire:
It'll be awesome if we can have multiple battery data storage options.... Well, that's cos i have 3 batteries, and planning to get more. :p

Having the since unplugged option will be extremely useful too!

Just another question, mate. Does one need to the device off (mine's a SGSII) when charging from 0% to 100%, or is it ok to switch it on once there is enough charge to power it on? Pretty difficult to have downtime. :o
[Android Apps and Games] crammed174:
2 great apps! I installed them days apart in my hunt for my battery drain issues and didn't realize you were the dev for both at first, i thought to myself "damn, these are some insane utilities and this widget is just like that app, great devs!"

sorry you have to defend your app from hardware issues. i hear about people OC 1267 and undervolting 150 whereas my evo immediately freezes above 1150 and is unstable below -75 undervolt so each phone is a little different. keep up the good work.

p.s. would you happen to know from experience or a link on what an evo typically would drain in "-ma" mine are pretty high which explain the quick death and no app seems to be excessively out of line, I used to go over a day now i barely get 6 hours and the phones only 4 months old with a healthy battery.

Thanks again!
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
The since unplugged option is ready, brings interesting data directly from Android statistics... Though I realized it measures only app used, not really background activity as in the attached screenshot (sorry for the teasing, update will come mid week or next week-end at the latest).

As for the multi-battery options, it will be in the next but can't specify an ETA as my second battery hasn't arrived.

No, I usually keep my phone on, so that BMW records all data to get the measured mAh (the average of total mA charged and discharged). Though this measure still need adjusting if I find some time to analyze the results from the hundredth of history file I've received so far.
[Android Apps and Games] coolfire:
You had to tease us! For a moment, i went about checking where in the world the new version had been released. LOL

I also tried keeping my device on while charging, but on the first charge after running my stock 1650mah battery, the device achieved a full charge in super quick time - 16mins :eek: and after checking the history file, there was an instance during charging where the current was +25327mA! :eek:

Gonna try the second charge later when my battery drains. Wish me luck. :)
[Android Apps and Games] mat9v:
I have a strange graphics glitch. Don't know if it's due to Sense 3.5.
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
Well, yes and no, it's mainly due to the font size, the label text is taking too much space (I've fixed this already, not sure it's published though, will be in next update for sure).

You should still update your app to the latest update available, at least the scale should fit properly until the text is truncated as it should. Also if the text is not truncated, you can hide it, so the glitch will be gone!

I'm actually installing a custom ROM with Sense 3.5, so I'll see what happens there.
[Android Apps and Games] mat9v:
Yes, installed new version and the problem is gone now.

BTW, how do I get rid of text under the icon? Is it some variable or a mod of Rosie/Fusion required ?
[Android Apps and Games] 3c:
You can remove the label for the widget app, otherwise for the whole home screen you will need a mod indeed.

Tap the widget label (or widget, then menu+settings) to access the app settings, then widget appearance, then untick show label.
[Android Apps and Games] swieder711:
Just installed your widget on my Thunderbolt running BAMF Forever 1.0.6 ROM.

I was curious to see how my Seidio desktop AC charger was performing because it seems to be charging the Tbolt slowly.

BMW lists AC plugged in. In the top right corner I am seeing the current values fluctuate from a high of +136mA to low of -264mA. Status on the BMW screen switches from "Charging" to "Discharging." All this happens without touching the phone.

I have a 6 week old HTC Extended Battery that I have calibrated. Capacity is correctly shown as 2750mAh.

Any thoughts or suggestions?