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[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] yokken:
this discussion has nothing to do with rooting... i hate to be that guy, but take it to the general forums? :)

also i'm really impressed with the fact that my response to tatonka was deleted but not his original post. as far as i know i didn't single anyone out or break any rules. it wouldn't be so bad if i was actually PMed about it but i received no notification of this. gotta love the abuse of power
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] idaed:
One thing that I found after doing all this: instead of holding down on the application, just click it. It will give you the option to freeze (not availabe in free version) or remove. This makes it much faster than waiting for all of the restarts.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] foxsdaddy67:
Hmmm hate to be that guy but get over it? LOL
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] wardfan220:
The problem with that is, if you just click delete it comes back after a restart, where if you do the long click method it's removed completely.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] idaed:
!!! Genius!:D I couldn't figure out why some apps were gone for good and some came back. Thanks
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] ahager88:
Watching this thread carefully. Glad to see a few dev's already going at it.

Wasn't gonna upgrade but half my screen went out on my heroc today. Why not?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
Exactly, why not ;) :D
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Dread 7us:
My hero was still running but I really liked this phone after I played with it so I had to upgrade.

Sent from my PG06100
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] ahager88:
At least there's a few aosp lovers aboard already!
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Osin83:
hopefully there will be some sort of one click access sometime soon.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] :
This thread is getting off topic. :cool:

Been quiet for a while on the discussion of rooting, last I heard was a teaser tweet from Unrevoked team.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] riggsandroid:
just saw this post - any further work on this bc?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] dhero1:
My HeroC is still a 3.2 inch "htcPad" driver running market, music, video, gps, wifi and aospGBMod ... :p
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] zeropants:
I'm coming from the Hero as well. I don't care if the root ends up being 1-click or if I have to do everything through adb and transferring files again.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] :
I hope at first it's really involved. More fun that way. :cool:

Also probably a soon-to-be shift user (from HeroC), if things play out right.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] ahager88:
I like things that are involved as well.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] fifedogg:
Is there actual confirmation that somebody is actually trying to perm root this thing. Has the unrevoked team said anything?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] tatonka_hero:
I'd much rather it be everything through adb. I just feel better entering the code myself for some reason lol
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] ajs2677:
It certainly pushed me to learn a lot more about Android by not having a one-click root method for the HeroC. I think that can only be a good thing. :p
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Evo_Shift:
I don't think entering a bunch of code or doing a bunch of steps is difficult or any better or worse thana 1 click method. The reason I don't want to do something like the temp rooting is because there are some people who say it isn't working and others who say it is even when doing the exact same steps. I don't like reports like that. Having a perm root be involved is fine by me as long as it is a 100% success rate if done correctly. I don't want to hope it works even when done correctly so i will gladly wait.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] riggsandroid:
unrevoked did mention it (check out their twitter from last week or so) and apparently g2root has said they are working on it as well (don't know where to find proof of that tho) and a few of the devs on here have stated they are working on it.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] x99percent:
The ONLY reason (that I'm aware of) that people are saying it doesn't work is because the temp root process isn't 100% successful... and when it fails, people chicken out and don't try again because they are scared of damaging something. Why? I don't know... we have the official RUU folks!

After a reboot, if I try to attempt to apply temp root again and the shell seems to restart (shows the "4G" logo), I know that the process failed. I can yank the battery or "adb reboot" and try again. For me, if temp rooting fails the first time, it has ALWAYS worked the second time.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] cloverdale:
Same for me, it has NEVER failed twice in a row.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Compusmurf:
I should send the 2 of you my phone. I've tried it dozens of times.

I've got a sinking suspicion that one of my daily apps isn't liking what the temp root is trying to do.

If 6+ times in a row with both visionary and then with z4 aren't enough, then I don't know what is. Not like this is my first android phone or attempt at rooting.

Both programs, click it, phone nearly instant reboots. Click, boom, reset. Let it boot, slow and crappy. Reboot again, try again, same thing. Battery pull, try again, boom, instant reboot.

I've tried every single suggestion everyone has given me WITH the exception of hard reset. I don't WANT to hard reset because other than root, my phone is exactly the way I want with my daily apps.

If anyone is near Tampa, Florida, I'm more than willing let anyone else try the exact same steps and report back that what I'm saying (and several others have been saying) is that something IS different.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] falz:
Have you tried using a task killer to close all running apps first? Also uninstall the superuser app first if you haven't already.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] akmzero:
I had problems getting it to temp root until I checked the option "run vision.sh after root"

After that no issues.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Dread 7us:
Thanks that seems to work for me too a lot better!

Sent from my PG06100
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Compusmurf:
Falz, tried that.

Akmzero, that was one of the first suggestions that I tried.

With z4, I made sure superuser was installed.

With visionary I made sure it was NOT installed.

There's quite a few other folks here and on Androidcentral's Shift forum reporting exactly the same behavior as I am. I'm content to wait for a perm root solution and working recovery. I have no doubt if I factory reset my phone and did this first thing it'd work and as I installed apps one by one, I'd probably find what app is messing with it. But, I have it right where I'm happy and productive with work and the hassle of going through all that now just isn't work a temp root solution.

Overall, I'm quite pleased with the shift compared to the evo. I'm accomplishing way more with it and the keyboard than I ever could with the on-screen only keyboard.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] RyteSyde:
Root etc

I had roghly 50 apps installed before i tried the temp root. First I installed z4 and Titanium backup. Ran z4 and it didn't do squat but reboot the phone. I never got any messages about it being rooted and I had to do a battery pull a couple of times. I tried another version and it did the same thing. uninstalled superuser, tried the latest version and same thing. Then I tried visionary and that worked after the 2nd or 3rd attempt. Once visionary said it was rooted, ran Titanium and it complained. So in Titanium I clicked the problems option which downloads box. Then I went into options and set chuck norris mode on. Then options >> refresh apps and voila, all the apps. Removed one of the sprint apps first by holding it down and force remove (last option) as others have mentioned. It reboots right away, gives you the HDD image with a red ? above it, reboots again and once it loads, the app is history. I've removed nfl, nascar, flickr, google chat, footprints (and widget), sprint central, amazon mp3, stocks (& widget) and some others I don't recall. It's a pain one by one but just did it while watching some tv.

Some notes: I ended up turning off auto-root for visionary. I found it better to wait for the phone to completely boot, then run it myself and ask for temp root. Was more stable that way for me. On one occasion the visionary icon didn't come back and was nowhere to be found. Had to remove the com...apk then re-install to get it back, but no problems otherwise. Also for Titanium, a couple of times after rooting I'd have to re-click the problems? option and re-download box for it to work, again, no biggie.

The only other issue I had with removing everything was after removing stocks widget, when it rebooted I had sense crash and act flaky right after. I just chalked it up to having removed the widget but not the core app yet. I pressed on and removed the core app and it's been fine since. The only minute other issue is after removing amazon mp3, the icon still shows up in all programs list as the correct icon (not broken) but you can't run it because it doesn't exist. I dunno how to remove that icon but it's no big deal, at least it's not there.

I was waiting to see if permaroot would come out instead of messing with the temp stuff but after all's said and done, glad I temp'd. It's nice to see that bloatware long gone. So for me, z4 was junk and visionary worked like a champ. If you don't want to wait for perm but are nervous about temping, don't be. Unless you pick the wrong app to remove in titanium, you've nothing to worry about.

The task list has now changed and instead of all of that junk being pre-loaded, it's now filled with apps I use. Granted, just because it's in the list doesn't mean they are actually running, they're mostly just pre-loaded in case you do use that app but regardless, I'd rather have it pre-loaded with what I use rather than stocks etc.

This phone is the bomb
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] kevyli85:
Compusmurf try putting it in airplane mode before you temp root. That's the only way z4 works for me
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] cosine83:
One thing I've noticed about z4 is that if I use a task killer before using, I always get a reboot. If I don't then odds are high I get temp root. Visionary would always work but I would get a random reboot about thirty minutes after temp rooting.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] herbthehammer:
Be very careful on what you delete. I have had to ruu twice now because I deleted something that seemed unnecessary. Social network was one thing and one of the footprints ones started me down the path of a borked phone.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Compusmurf:
Now THAT suggestion I haven't tried. I'll give it a go for sure. It's a boring Sat afternoon and I've got a few hours to muck around again.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] riggsandroid:
I've removed both Footprint things and have not had any FCs or anything, weird - hope I don't! Once we gain root - we should compile a list of safely removed .apks.

On second thought, I think we can start that thread now. I'll start it, and let's add.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] d1msum4lyfe:
I've removed all the sprint stuff except tv, nascar, nfl, twitter, teeter, footprint and still haven't had fc.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] amehdi43:
How long till the full root? Can universal root apk work? or one-click-root apk?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] riggsandroid:
Read the thread. It explains everything.

No full root and no eta.

Hope that helps.

I'm Shifting on 4G.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] :
oh boy.... guess I won't be getting a shift now.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] pig_pen420:
So, why does Kaspersky think z4 is an exploit? Exploit.Linux.Lotoor.g
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] riggsandroid:
not sure about that specific file to be honest, but pretty much every root method is an exploit...
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] mcarrion78:
Anyone having any problems with their contacts force closing when they try adding a #? I used visionary but haven't removed anything. I've RUU 3 times. It only happens after I temp root with visionary
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] mcarrion78:
I'm guessin visionary is messing something up with HTC SENSE cuz it won't let me add any widgets to my homescreen when I'm using SENSE. Everything works fine on launcher pro,when I use it its just the SENSE stuff that fudges up
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] wardfan220:
Something is weird there. You have issues with the widgets after rooting with visionary, and that's all? Fresh RUU and nothing else done to it other than the temp root?

If that's the case, have you tried the z4root? Maybe for some reason your phone doesn't like visionary. It doesn't make any (pardon the pun) sense to me.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] mcarrion78:
Yeah. Trying to add widgets would just cause sense to force close on me. Trying to add a contact would do the same. I can see if I had removed something but I didn't. Just temp rooted and added wireless tether. I think I might just try z4 to see if maybe that'll fix the problem. I just ruu again so ill see what happens and report back
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] zeropants:
Can I permanently remove some of the BS apps through temp root? There's so much loaded on this phone I that I have no interest in keeping.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jesusice:
Check out this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=924983
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] mcarrion78:
for some reason i cant get z4 to take. its taking an extremely long amount of time. then it reboots and i still have no root. any suggestions? ive gone the visionary route and it took but it kept giving me force closes like crazy
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] riggsandroid:
Where did you get the visionary and z4 from?

I'd uninstall Visionary, z4 and Superuser.

Reboot, go here, install, make sure USB Debugging is on and run the temp. root.

There is no reason any of this should cause FC's at all.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] strauss0829:
Has there been any progress on full root for this device cause im thinking of gettin one tonight for a trade for my Evo
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] riggsandroid:
As you can clearly see, no.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] strauss0829:
so should I trade for my Evo and just wait ...because this device is interesting to me ???
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] yokken:
if you have no reason to upgrade NOW, i'd suggest keeping your evo and it's rooted ROM goodness until the shift is permarooted as well.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] mcarrion78:
I got both z4 n visionary from the links on the op. I think I might just wait for permaroot. I was really only using temp root to have the wireless tether which I wasn't really using it much anyway. Maybe ill try again who knows
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jesusice:
Personally, I'd suggest giving away your worldly possesions and sitting under a Bodhi tree until it all makes sense.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] chugger93:
When you do this temp root, z4 and superuser, etc all have to stay installed right? Just debating on temp rooting or not. I wanna remove bloatware for sure
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jesusice:
I'm pretty sure you can remove z4 after obtaining root but I think you want to keep Superuser installed. It's nice to have control over what apps have full root access.

Why do you ask? That's an odd question.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] chugger93:
I dunno, I thought I read here and there that Z4 slowed things down, so I wasn't sure of the truth in that. I guess I just like to keep as less things installed as possible or necessary.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] strauss0829:
Just got my shift and will watch this forum closely
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jesusice:
My experiance with z4 was that it would reboot the phone while obtaining root and when restarted would run really slowly until I pulled the battery. Using Visionary I've had good success. Only problem is that when I reboot and have Visionary set to root on startup the first time it will often freeze the phone but if I battery pull and reboot again Visionary obtains temp root just fine. I've seen one person saying that Visionary kept running in the background and killed their battery but I've yet to experiance that problem. I reboot, Visionary does it's thing, phone is slow for a minute while everything gets situated and then everything's good and Visionary doesn't run again until I reboot. (Which I shouldn't have to do unless I screw something up.)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] fifedogg:
If your phone reboots when using Z4 I've found that it will then be running in the backround upon reboot. If you just turn the phone off and then back on it will temp root just fine if you try again right after she boots up. Make sure your not using a Task manager as that will make it reboot everytime or atleast it did for me.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] adamr240:
Someone mentioned turning airplane mode on to get it to work, and it has 100% of the time for me so far.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Stuke00:
Yep same thing just happened to me.. I think I will just wait for a perm root :)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] orpheostelos:
Wow.....this is the slowest forum in xda ...man and I thought the epic forum was bad.....I was gonna trade my evo for the shift .....but no perm. root hurts my soul...not even a progress thread to let people know if anyone is actually working on this at all...don't get me wrong the phone is snappy as hell but dev support sucks big time....I wish you all luck with you're shift's..
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] d1msum4lyfe:
And I got flamed for asking
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] ahager88:
Always keep a fire extinguisher handy. People like to flame on the internet period.

I was always told rule 1 was don't ask for etas. It's been stated more than once a few parties are working on this. When progress is made it'll be reported. :)
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jesusice:
Word. People grow a pair when protected by anonymity.

I think the deal is that devs who achieve things like perma root don't spend their time posting on the forums. I think they do it in IRC.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] riggsandroid:
LOL - I'm sure its our loss. :) The phone is less then 3 weeks old.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] silex:
I've heard it takes about a week to get perm root on most devices. The Evo Shift is getting no love?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] johnnycross22:
As time goes on, phone manufacturers find new and exciting ways to lock down their phones so that root sometimes becomes harder to achieve. Also, the popularity of a phone has a lot of impact on how fast root is achieved. Highly hyped flagships phones (like the EVO) are more likely to be rooted quickly due to the large number of devs that purchase the phone and also more people owning the phone means more demand for root which can lead to faster development.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] adamr240:
I think most folks aren't looking for an ETA, but an actual confirmation that someone is working on it.

Who is working on it?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] strauss0829:
thats all i am looking for ..not an ETA but just confirmation
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Downtime24:
these guys r doing this for free with there spare times when they could be doing better things. Man you kinda people piss me off. >:(
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
Let's keep this friendly please. Thank you.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] bcellis:
x3

I have no problem being patient... just want to confirm it's being worked on.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Evo_Shift:
Someone will figure it out. Someone always figures it out... Also I read somewhere that February is a big month that a lot of Hero users would maybe upgrade. If that's true then interest in rooting should increase.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] ahager88:
Perhaps.

Most hero users are waiting to see what Sprint unveils Feb 7th, I think.

David Blaine is there, how good can it really be? :eeK:
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] strauss0829:
it will be the 1st of something so im thinkin 1st windows 7 4g phone or 1st 4g DC phone or 1st 4g iphone...I have the Shift now but have a 1 yr upgrade in april if things dont go well ill grab something new
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Downtime24:
Sorry impaler, its upsetting how people r impatient and act as if you all have no lives. devs deserve most credit for atleast putting in the time. your want the root asap? get in there and do it yourself and mess up your phone. have fun

perm root is coming, thats all needed said :p
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] BuddahWolf01:
the worst part about this thread: it keeps getting added too.

I keep getting on here seeing there is a reply on it and I'm like "oh my goodness maybe we have root?" Then it is just another replay grrrrr.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] zeropants:
I think most of those people are going to be disappointed. I've heard a few rumors it's the Blackberry Tablet. Of course those are rumors, but I've seen it in more than one place.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] Evo_Shift:
I agree. We would have probably seen a leak of a new phone by now. Unless they announce the new LG Optimus X2 for Sprint and release it real quick which could be the first dual core phone to the US market if it releases before the Atrix. Seeing as Sprint got the LG Optimus S I am going to assume they'll eventually get the X2. However, I don't think Sprint would want that to take away the Evo's flagship status which makes me think it will not come before an EVO 2.

Unless the LG Optimus X2 is renamed...LG X2....LG 2...EVO 2...LG EVO 2. Brand doesn't make the EVO, EVO makes the brand. I doubt it though ;)

OR....maybe a white iPhone...LOL, J/K. Don't flame me....
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] sarspants:
Doesn't Palm/HP also has something scheduled for 2/7/11? Perhaps a Palm tablet? At any rate, I hope the root development is coming along, I wish I could help. Thanks to those that are working on it!
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] mcarrion78:
Does anyone know what we all could do as a community to help with obtaining permaroot? I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get this accomplished. If there's anyone that is currently working on this feel free to PM me n let me know what I can do.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] cosine83:
I'll just put this right here. Patience, folks.

http://i.imgur.com/mn5iW.jpg

And this for clarity:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5365/picture3h.jpg (this is my personal phone)

I don't take credit for ANY of this. My phone is just being used to test **** on by devs. Thank them profusely with donations when they post a perma-root method. It's only "soft" s-off, btw. A new hboot would set s-on again. Radio s-off would be perma-off.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] yokken:
oh my god yessssssss
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] ajs2677:
How exciting! Just out of curiosity, why does the date in that pic show Nov 15?
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] riggsandroid:
that's the date the software was created most likely.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] ajs2677:
Ok cool, I see now. Thanks.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] ahager88:
+1.

We should've made a bounty thread folks.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
I know what the upgrade from Sprint will be; it is a phone ;) That's all I'll say
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] jesusice:
Permaroot is def worth a beer, at least! I mean, a BIG one. A big microbrew.
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] strauss0829:
well this is a step in the right direction
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] M@XLOL:
Fuuuuu
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] bcnice20:
Chillax people ill tie up the lose ins and get it all together n prepared for release as soon as I'm home!!!
[EVO Shift 4G Android Development] theimpaler747:
I'll tell you this too, it's not all that exciting if my source is correct to be honest.