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[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Well Said

Well said. All those who predict failure your words are saved forever in this forum. Let's all come back one year from now and read the doomsayers comments and have a great laugh and wonder whether they will be as eager to apologize as they are to predict failure.

It was the hardware that drove me to consider WP7, it was time spent with it in the ATT store and hours spent reading reviews that helped me purchase it. I have not had any desire to tweak, jailbreak or sideload apps since I bought it. Something I did for at least one hour a day when I had a WM device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FTC:
....over 1.5 Million sold in 4 weeks....what a failure.. :rolleyes: Okay, Apple did

better, but this was at a different time and a different market....

FTC
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeken:
I'm upset with the way WP7 is going because it is a complete departure from Windows Mobile. Yes I am aware that WM was not the most stable platform but it was the most customizable and the one I grew to enjoy.

I primarily use my Tilt 2 to make calls, use it as a GPS (Both Tomtom and Garmin), store documents/music/movies on my SD Card and tether it at work.

Now with this revamped version of WP I can't use 3 of the 4 features. What am I supposed to do with my 16gb SD Card now? I definitely do not want an iPhone but Android seems like the only alternative.

WP is going the same route as the iphone with all their lock downs and restrictions. They are catering to the facebook, Twitter and Xbox crowd (which I have no interest in). I really don't care for their live tiles feature nor am I interested in using their cloud system. Not to mention the lousy phone selections for the US. The HTC Surround <---:confused: A bulky phone with a underwhelming set of speakers. I just don't get what the developers at HTC were thinking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It'll take more than poor marketing to kill something so right. For the first time I dont mind paying for apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FTC:
...yes, and this was the greatest problem with WM. Everyone without the slightest

knowledge of what he was doing, was tweaking and flashing his phone. When the phone didn't work any more, it was not his fault but the fault of WM and MS who where not able to come up with a staple OS like Apple... :p So if you feel the need to pimp up your phone, switch to Android... which are now starting to experience the same problems with OS unstability like WM did before...

...I just was lookig today at my HTC Touch 2 and I was asking myself how I could enjoy this phone for so long..... :)

FTC
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Sold not to users or customers. Sold to retailers. But they sold me one! Does that mean I now believe the system will survive? I was hoping it would! But the system can't help it if the management is ignorant and closed minded.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Granted you could pick a better marketing team out of a middle school special ed class I don't think that has enough pull to kill such an epic OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Windows Phone will fail because management is killing it? Would you care to expand?

To me there seems to be no real rhyme or reason to these anti-wp7 sentiments. I can fully understand if you prefer Android/iOS over WP7. But to say WP7 has no value or merit is taking it too far. To the fanboy side of the universe far.

I loved my WinMo 6.1 HTC phone. But there is one thing I love about the Metro UI:

It delivers all the real-time content I would ever need efficiently on my phone by just pulling my phone out of my pocket and waking it up.

But to each his own. I am not going around bashing Android or iOS. We spend too much time attacking people for making different choices. If you are happy then just be happy. Love something for what it is, not what it is better than.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
OMG! Are you seriously missing the point? You seriously cannot see that the lack of features combined with the lack of providing said features combined with the lack of timely updates has not killed the system?

I waited patiently not even 2 months for features I was absolutely certain MS would provide in a February "massive" update. I should have been enjoying those features right from the beginning because you just do not introduce a new product in this day and time without them.

The fact that I knew that MS was going to shove any updates way out into the future by officially stating there would be an Aug/Sep "large" update, is all the reason I need to know how MS conducts their business.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
If it was a number to brag about it would've been right there along the Kinect 8 million units in 60 days, Balmer and that crazy woman with from 70's haircut were repeating what have been known since the launch keynotes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FTC:
....oh, you were the one... thats makes two with me.... :) But look at Amazone

best selling list, this draws another picture. Here in Germany, my local T-Mobile

Shop had a waiting list.... Okay, not as long as for the iPhone but they are very

satisfied with the WP7 sales. Some of my friends have switches from Apple and

Android to a WP7 phone... The advertising campaign "really" is catchy....

...I don't know about your professional background, but I am always a little

amazed when someone is trying to tell a multi billion company with a multi billion profit

how to run the company.... :p

FTC
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
But that's the whole point! They had something very good going! They have a first-rate mobile OS and a lot of people adopted right from the beginning. I was on board and overwhelmingly enthusiastic for the new system. I knew it didn't have features too! But I was convinced those features would be provided in a timely manner in a huge update as soon as possible...like in February. A lot of people were convinced a February "massive" update was coming.

But when I predicted what MS would do based on what they said about the Aug/Sep update without knowing the February update would not come, I immediately knew how MS would conduct their business. That business strategy will not pay off. It will kill this glorious new OS before it even has a chance to shine. The management thinks it's being clever about how it is fostering WP7. But it's a terrible mistake! And they are too stubborn and ignorant to acknowledge the mistake.

I know I'm not going to wait around a whole friggin year just to get simple conveniences the competition already has. As soon as an Android ROM is built for my HD7, WP7 is in the trash. And this will happen long before any updates come out for WP7. In about 3 to 4 months I will be using voice nav, copy & paste, multi-tasking, file exploring and other stuff on my HD7. I won't be buying any WP7 apps, that's for sure, because it would be a waste of money since I'll be using Android on my HD7 instead.

You also need to consider how the app developers react to MS's update schedule. I predict the majority of them will ****-can WP7 development because of it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xThe Enforcer:
1) Very true.

2) Just like Android did when it first released. WP7 is obviously still taking baby steps and I'm sure MS does not want to release a bunch of small half-assed updates.

3) I said, "Android Fanboys" because the topics and posts I mainly see are from Android users who come into any WP7 forums and just destroy it and constantly relate it to a Android device. Obviously they have so much love for Android to continue to do that, they are a "fanboy".

Android fanboy:

"An Android fan who goes on all forums to disparage every other phone OS (Windows Mobile, iPhone, Blackberry, WebOS, Symbian, etc.) and end up proselytizing Android. They are extremely annoying and should be dismissed.

They do not represent typical Android users.

Typically use all caps when writing "Android" and will usually replace the "o" with a zero.

"ANDROID FTW" is the standard calling tag."

4) I do agree. I like to have intelligent conversations about any device but it does irritate me when some people have the intelligence of a bucket of rocks.

"Look, if calling anyone who doesn't agree with you an Android Fanboy makes you feel more important and better about yourself"

No. I could care less!

"We're all basically here to make our mobile experience better, no matter which OS we choose to go with."

AMEN.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Seriously

That's really what we need to be watching, the number of developers and the number of "real" apps. If this continues to grow at a nice pace, your arguments may not be valid. They won't develop if there is no market (that is, no phone sales). So, why not wait and see what happens in the WP7 app development arena?

I think MS made a decision that customers like you and I, those who live to tinker and customize, are not the future for their products. Maybe that "niche" can be filled by limited future development of WM (although on their site they now refer to WM 6.5 as WP 6.5). Look, we could all go over to Android if we want to customize and tinker so what's the problem. Many of us "tinkerers" will discover that we tinkered because we liked it and not because we needed to and will move to WP7. Others will go to Android. I still have my FUZE on a charger and can go back at anytime by just swappingt the SIM card from my Focus.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FTC:
...I think your crystall ball needs new batteries... :p

- You are commenting on a up-date which nobody has seen yet

- You think to know what the developers are going to do? Several of the

WM developer and software companies claimed earlier last year that they were switching completely to Android or to Apple. Guess what: Several of the WP7

Apps I have been downloading recently (and paying for) are coming exactly from the same peoples and companies.... A few others already announced in their blogs that WP7 application are under construction. If you look at the Apple Store

or Android market, how many of the Apps are realy usefull? Not even 1 percent.

I prefer quality over quantity.....

- And what about the hardware makers? Same situation! Early last year everybody switched to Android. And now? All major makers are already shipping out WP7 phones or are announcing new models to come...

So I can't help, I am sorry but can't share all those negative comments, previsions and forecasts.... Yes it's true, there is no hype about WP7 like

Apple is creating about their "innovations" which in reality are nothing else then

features I had in my early cellphones many years ago....

FTC
[Windows Phone 7 General] jimecm:
these topics are pointless, why even bother of arguing this topic over and over again no one wins. iv tried ios and driod and i just dont like it. they both just seem outdated looking and i can go on about problems about them but i wont bash threads. yeah wp7 has some problems too, but no phone is perfect. also you guys talk like microsoft doesnt know what they're doing,cmon guys really!?:rolleyes: im sure wp7 has a bright future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeken:
Just to reiterate I only need 3 things to work and I will get a WP immediately;

1- Ability to use Removable SD Cards

2- Turn by turn GPS such as Tomtom, Garmin, iGo, etc

3- Tethering support

Once these features are available I will no have no more complaints
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Funny story:

"I used to tinker and flash roms all the time on my WM device. I purchased a WP7 device and I don't want to flash custom roms anymore."

Sounds familiar?

Its funny because at this point, you can't tinker, and you can't flash a custom rom.

But given the chance, people will. Why, because people want more. Not everyone, but most people at xda want more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I use a removable SD card o_0
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
ROFL!

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The reason why people rag on WP7 is because the OS turned out to be a disappointment and it doesn't seem to have any hardware running it that compares with current top-end smartphones, much less what's going to be coming out in a couple/few months.

That in itself has made WP7 a bad investment for a lot of people. What clued-in smartphone user is going to buy a WP7 device when they see what's coming out of CES (which is being broadcasted all over the national news networks, etc.). They are basically last-gen devices, now, with a last-gen OS running on them, for all intents and purposes.

1.5 million in 4 weeks when they launched it on so many countries is actually not that much.

Verizon will sell that many iPhones, or more, just in the US the first day they get it.

There's always a user base willing to use something, no matter if it's good or bad.

There's 1% of the market that uses Linux as a desktop OS, even though it's terrible. That doesn't make it any less of a disappointment, or good, in any way.

I actually think Microsoft could have done better by introducing revolutionary UI revamps and code-optimizations to Windows Mobile than releasing this half-baked beta OS.

And yes, I was quite the WP7 fan when it was released. But you have to actually use the thing to see why so many people are now writing it off.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I could honestly say I'd be happier if we didnt get to the point where we could unlock the apps and sideload them... I like the developers getting paid for what they do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I'm really lost as to how you could call it a last gen OS... I mean it has it's shortcomings with a few minor details that are going to be updated but none so rough as a UI that's just generally unfriendly... the hardware I'm sure will catch up just in time but they are new to building smartphones because what they had before I could only consider pocket PCs. They were no more phones than your average laptop with skype today. I'm sure they've got some high end devices on the way, they clearly stated their big devices would be revealed at a later date. They announced more than enough for me at CES and I cant wait to see where WP7 goes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
How am I missing the point?

Can you not see that the system is not dead?

This is the craziest statement I ever read: "I waited patiently not even 2 months for features I was absolutely certain MS would provide in a February "massive" update."

Less than 2 months is waiting patiently?

Are you listening to what you are saying? Android took 5 months to go from 1.0 to 1.1 and add no real improvements, yet Windows Phone is not fast enough for you?

And you were spelling doom waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before you knew what the February update was going to contain. Your posts are proof on this forum. You did not even wait at all. You jumped on the hate wagon from day 2.

I do not want to start a war but here is my opinion:

You did not own an HTC Dream / G1. You did not have to go through the struggle of the constant updates that were not delivered as simple as OTA. The lack of features. You are like most Android owners now. You got in while the getting was good. Kind of like the guys who back the Miami Heat now. Be honest, what was the first Android phone you owned?

So because you lack history you lack understanding. Here is Android History. It took them a year to get to Android 1.6 and let us get real; you are not owning an Android phone with 1.6. Too many missing features after all. And well we can see since 2 months is an eternity you would have ditched Android like an ugly prom date who is not putting out.

Yet a totally new OS is grossly mismanaged because after 2 months they have missing features?

I may be blind, but I am not stuck in a dream world.

That is the problem with Android. Too many bandwagons that jumped on at a good time and lack any perspective.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
well it doesn't support dual-core processors, nor front facing cameras, nor expandable external storage, nor UI changes (e.g. HTC Sense) yet nor for quite a while it seems, whereas Android already has a tegra 2 device coming and all of the things I described above.

The good thing about WP7 is that it is so integrated and closed that apps are easier to develop cross platform and it runs "smooth" all the time because you cannot modify it.

The bad thing is that it is so integrated and closed that you basically need an entire OS overhaul to introduce support for things like dual-core processors and front facing cameras. Apple seems to have worked this out pretty well with iOS but WP7 is MUCH more locked down than even iOS and it will be even harder.

If something "doesn't work" on my Android device, with enough know-how I can modify the source code myself and fix it same day, which is what we do in the HD2 forums. If it's bad on my WP7 device, I have to wait half a year for an official update. If there are settings I want in Android, I can just add them (like Cyanogen did), but in WP7 it's not happening.

So that's where the "last gen" concept comes from, as long as the OS takes that long to update simple things, it will ALWAYS be "last gen". Because by the time the first Tegra2 WP7 hits the shelves, Android will be coming out with IceCream 4.1 running a Tegra3. It might not be idiot-proof and it might be more fragmented, and not as "smooth" as the WP7 device, but it will always do a hell of a lot more.

oh and @ guy posted above me, I did own a MT3G for a long time on 1.6 before I rooted and flashed 2.1 then 2.2 on it before I had an HD2. Comparing a WP7 device that has a 1ghz, 512mb etc... with a now ancient phone with terrible specs at the onset of a brand new OS by a company that had never made an OS before doesn't really show much.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cwiley2566:
Completely agree with the person above. I have had an HTC Tornado, HTC Startrek and HTC Kasier. I ROMed and tweaked them as long as I could but then I got tired of having to do that to just have a phone the way I wanted it. WP7 and the Focus is great and have not looked back from getting off the Tilt. Having the Zune Pass alone is great.

For the haters: Just because it doesn't do what you want it to doesn't mean it doesn't for a million others.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Yakkaimono:
Did you guys who are dooming WP7 already ever think about how the majority of WP7 users aren't dissapointed and are infact happy with their choice? Of course you won't see those people on forums talking about how bad or good the OS is cause they are casual people who don't even know that forums like xda-developers exist.

The overwhelming majority of smartphone users aren't techies but casual users.

I know a lot of people who don't know **** about android or what you could do with a jailbroken iphone but still run around with the latest smartphones. Their reason: it's new, shiny has a supposed "great camera" and was expensive so it has to be good.

Sure these are dumb reasons but people without technological knowledge think that way.

And you don't have to be a genius at marketing to realize who you want to target with your product, the techies who are never satisfied and make up a small amount of the market or the huge mass of casual users who just want a shiny new toy with eye candy.

About WP7 phones having outdated hardware, the casual user won't notice many of the hardware shortcomings cause for example they don't know the difference between a hummingbird, first gen or second gen snapdragon cpu. For them each one has 1ghz so it's up to date plus WP7 runs smoother than android even on the old cpu. And before really dooming WP7 hardware lets just wait till MWC.

So in my opinion MS did what they think will be succesful on the long run which is to fulfill the needs of the casual users with zune, social networking and games. They didn't became that big without making some right decisions.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jessiethe3rd:
Fandroid Infiltration...

I'm not going to point any fingers here but it's quite obvious that people are starting to view WP7 as a serious threat.

First they ignore you.

Then they laugh at you.

Then they fight and you win.

You see this is the world of "logoism" where if you don't carry the flag of fanboyism you are viewed as weak and insignificant. A place where if you make a decision on a solution people will belittle you or make you feel bad because it is not the same decision they made.

I am perfectly happy with my WP7 device and I like it and show it to everyone who I come across... equally they like it... some actually buy it because they like it as much.

Sure it's missing some things... sure it doesn't support dual core and other geek speak (com'on dude... how often do you use a front facing camera on your Google phone??)

The spec wise who flippin' cares... you have the pissing rights of the greatest hardware on the face of the earth - whipdey flippin' doo man.

My phone works well - it's not sluggish, it does what it's suppose to do, it has Zune, it has Xbox, it's got everything that I want and is missing a few finer points.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
WP7 does support dual core processors, and ffc maybe check your facts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
Looking around, it looks like there are only a very small handful of maybe 3 or 4 people that make up 90% of the hate in the WP7 forum.

Sure, there are people who don't like WP7. But they're often pretty mature. They give their own personal reasons they prefer another OS and everything is fine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
Anyone see the ms keynote speech?? and understand what win8 will bring?

Not sure if people saw the keynote and what ms has in store for win8 / wp8 but it seems to be a "Full" OS on eather a pc, tablet, notebook, or smartphone which will trump any other smartphone os out there!!! ms has some solid plans for the future and is in it for the win through careful steps not just putting some junk in the market and use the "fix it while we go" method..
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
this whole rant is a perfect example of someone blatantly ignoring the discussion and slapping a label on someone to avoid actual reasoning.

There isn't really any hate or ire from Android users towards WP7. There haven't even been that many negative threads opened up, but you throw gas on the fire when you attack people and call them "fanboys" instead of ignoring them or explaining why they're wrong.

WP7 is a great OS, and I can't wait to run it on my HD2, but it admittedly lacks some features that Android doesn't, nor iOS.

But some of you want to get so dramatic with this. One person points out that C & P would be nice and suddenly it's "omg you're a fanboy, you have sex with google, you don't know anything, my phone is so smooth. I don't need an ffc, I don't need C&P, I don't need a UI, I don't need to flash a new radio for perhaps better reception, battery, and performance, etc.."

and it's like chill out man, no one is attacking your grandkids.

it's latent in the code somewhat but no devices are set to ship with these for quite some time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
that does look pretty sweet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
LOL...so WP7 is in the ****ter, right? It'll be WP8 and all that it will bring. It was all about WP7 before it came out and how it would change the industry. Now it's happening again. This time it's WP8 and how it will change everything.

Jeeez! MS just can't stick with anything these days!

I suppose WP7 is a full-fledged "Kin" version.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
try in feb for details..

soruce http://wmpoweruser.com/samsung-hinting-at-4g-windows-phone-7-smartphone/
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
I think almost 50% of the hate posts come from this guy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
they are going to have details in February, when does that give us a phone?

edit: and honestly if they do keep up faster than I am foreseeing, I will gladly eat my words.