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[EVO 4G General] Assange:
I've been on for ever lol just never "joined the club" (i'm not a dev or anything so I really didn't need an account)
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Says the dev. I think he would know what he programmed. Remember your phone uses ma while being charged.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Never needed it to ask a question about a rom? Ask for a feature? Ask for help with a rom? Never needed it to report any bugs in a rom? What DID you do here then?
[EVO 4G General] Jfree3000:
Lurked now trolling.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Being as this has been reported by multiple people on different sites I don't think this is bull****.
[EVO 4G General] Compusmurf:
Nice to see you back.

I'm assuming by now you've pulled the battery. If you could, please take photos of it from all sides and post them on a free photo site, Flickr, yahoo photos, etc.

It'd be nice to see if the overcharge caused ballooning or just popped a relief discharge on the battery.

Also, don't try to recharge this battery anymore and whatever you do, please, don't dispose of it in your regular garbage.
[EVO 4G General] Assange:
Ummmmmmm.......download Roms, used instructions on the site to help me root, etc. I have a life, I can't stay on here all day doing stuff like that and never needed too
[EVO 4G General] Assange:
I will upload the pics tomorrow I'm about to go to sleep (its 2am :\ )

How do I properly dispose of it?

And trust me I would never try to charge it again (lol i dont want to die!)
[EVO 4G General] conflikt:
I'd take it to autozone or a place that does battery recycling.
[EVO 4G General] kd0axs:
Autozone wont take it. They take lead-acid car batteries, completely different from phone batteries. I think most Best Buy stores have a drop box for battery recycling.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G with Tapatalk
[EVO 4G General] nosfanatic2006:
Like most things, I have a feeling this is phone specific. Kind of like how some phones run BFS fine and other phones hate it. I've been using SBC for a little over a month with zero overheating or weird battery activities. No random reboots or other quirks. Not saying this guy is lying, just throwing in my .02
[EVO 4G General] kingofslackerz:
Just had similar problem last night, on VirusRom Z port. No smoke or anything, but the first time I let the thing charge on usb for an extended amount of time, I came back and the phone was dead, from about 75%.

The orange light was blinking and I could not get the phone to boot. Left it unplugged and battery out till about 6am, plugged in on AC and was able to get the phone to boot. Left it to charge...

Woke up now at 9am, phone never charged one %!! Battery monitor says "good".

Don't trust these kernals, it's BS, unless you're willing to give up a battery and maybe your phone.

BTW: I was on SBC More Havs 4.2.2, no overclock. Been about 3 days on this kernal/rom
[EVO 4G General] Success100:
i was just joking dude he didnt do anything wrong
[EVO 4G General] dschoenike:
smoke coming from batteries has been reported by multiple people? holy crap! links please.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Not the smoke issue specificly but battery failures and such as a result of these new kernels
[EVO 4G General] bigmoogle:
This is so funny. Here is a guy who does what xda'ers WANT people to do - read before asking questions that had already been answered (multiple times) instead of asking yet again. And someone actually calls him on it. Lol.
[EVO 4G General] rooster94:
Lol. Well put good sir. I'm kinda the same way as OP, been using XDA for a few years now, used to be on PPCGeeks too. Never signed up for XDA until I got my Evo though, and even still, I rarely post.
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
Been running sbc since ms79723 released his here with no problems on my original battery but this is definitely an issue to consider. I haven't been doing a lot of reading here lately so I haven't seen any other reports of issues with these kernels but I'm curious how the devs will respond.

EDIT: netarchy has already removed sbc kernels from his thread.

Sent from my HTC Supersonic
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
if this is true then the sbc kernel should be outlawed around here. im about to get rid of the kernel myself now.
[EVO 4G General] nosfanatic2006:
Its amazing how one person posts about the issue and everyone starts having battery issues lol
[EVO 4G General] sling:
If Net pulled SBC builds you know there is a real problem with them
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
there is NO prof that the battery failure was the kernels fault. There could be many other causes. 6 people out of hundreds that have flashed these kernels?

Now if its true that has battery really started to smoke and he posts pictures that will be the FIRST case of trickle charge definitely causing problems.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
yeah im glad he did too.
[EVO 4G General] bigmoogle:
Um, that would be ma'am :)
[EVO 4G General] cb7tuner93:
From MS's Thread:

Will this damage my battery?

This charging method doesnt damage the batteries at all. It shouldnt. Because our batteries dont even charge up to 4.2V without the tweak. They charge up to 4.2V the first charge, then drop all the way down to 4.08V or something and then does these weird short burst chargers to 4.1-4.125V. Thats why there's the rapid drop in the morning. Because your voltage is actually at 4.125V and that's not 100%. So with this tweak, the charger keeps charging until you're at 4.2V (or the maximum voltage your battery can get to) and then it trickle chargers while at that voltage. The charger itself never turns off. Thats not a bad thing. Because as you reach your actual voltage, the mA decreases. Which is why our phones will never be damaged. You ever want to know why its really easy to charge from 50-80% but the charge from 90-100% seems to take so long? Its because from 50% the mA going into the phone is in the 600's. Once it reaches 90%, the mA is around 150 and once it reaches 95% you're looking at 90mA. The phone when absolutely idle uses anywhere from 60-120mA, even when on the charger. So charging from 90% to 100% takes longer becaus the mA going into the phone isnt always higher than the mA you're losing. This is the same with charging past 100%. As you leave the phone on the charger with this tweak, you're mA will decrease from 50mA all the way down to 2mA overnight. But on the charger you're losing about 30-60mA already, so you'll never overcharge the battery, in best case scenarios, you'll just maintain the voltage of 4.2 or around 4.2V.
[EVO 4G General] dschoenike:
Outlawed as in banned? Why would you or anyone for that matter be against people having a choice? Its my phone and i love the kernel. If those kernels arent your cup of tea, that's fine, dont use it. But please don't try to take away my ability to use it.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
if it is damaging phones then the mods will pull it, it's happened before. i don't know about you but i payed alot for my evo and although i have insurance i have no desire to have to use it. i too loved the sbc kernel until the battery life started declining after a week and i heard of these random issues. i value what i buy and i baby my phones. sorry you do not! :rolleyes:

if netarchy pulled sbc from his kernels then you know he is concerned as well. that says alot to me.
[EVO 4G General] dschoenike:
So you're saying that anybody who doesn't take the sbc kernel off their phones, doesnt value their phone? Really? I suppose though, if it could save just one phone, isn't it worth it? it takes a village.
[EVO 4G General] linuxmotion:
This may be some good reading ad iy relates to the battery and charging. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=871051

It explains why the battery charge the way they do. It my be for the inc but the info still applies.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
no im saying you should heed peoples warnings. it's your phone, do what you want. me ill play it safe. ;)
[EVO 4G General] deathsled:
all of us that have had issues, which exact kernel was being used? It's possible it could just be one that has a problem and the rest are ok, you never really know.

I experienced the problem after I switched to SBC-net-4.2.2-more-havs-v2. I think I saw someone else say they were using 4.2.2 more agressive w/havs as well.

Anyone else using that one or experience a problem with one of the other ones?
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
Just flashed net's 4.3.1 bfs no sbc. Guess I'm gonna play it safe too. I also feel the kernels should be left available. Users should still have the choice to flash them. Net even posted a link to those kernels if people still want to use them.

Sent from my HTC Supersonic
[EVO 4G General] jhoffy22:
This guy is right! Do you know the suffering and pain that I was experiencing before I got that 10% fix from the SBC? It was almost unbearable :(. So far from using the SBC kernel for about 2 weeks, I've only lost my left hand and blew a hole the size of a softball in my upper thigh. But you know what, it was worth it. My phone stays alive longer, and that's what's important. I don't care how long I live as long as my phone doesn't have to suffer a 10% drop to its life :(
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
whatttt? are you being sarcastic here? :confused:
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
its not damaging my phone been using it since the betas, I played alot for my evo and i have insurance because I paid alot for my evo(and had to use it already)

being pulled from netarchy kernel is most likely a move from both reasons, one to watch and see it this constantly affecting peoples phones, and two so he will not have to have people whining and pm'ing him about can you release one without trickle charging

Another point where are the pics from the OP who made his account the same day?

I just want to point we live in a culture nowadays that if something gets said alot it then becomes true I just want some real evidence
[EVO 4G General] shadowxaero:
Well "if" this is a serious problem I imagine that with the variety of Developers we have on this site it will only be a temporary one. Now I personally haven't had any problems with my phone running Net's SBC 4.3 Kernal but then again I don't want to be the "next" victim either. So we have had 4 or 5 reports, it is still to many other variables to consider before placing all the blames on these kernels.

We don't even know how the respective users, used there phone. Not saying this is what happened but they could have left there phone on the charger while using it hours upon hours of the day in conjunction with the SBC kernels and thats what causing damage but who knows.

All I know is that when I woke up this morning and saw the Net pulled it, hey I trust him and I'm going to stray away from SBC for a while.
[EVO 4G General] aburgthing:
I had a similar situation, (though no smoke or anything that dramatic) that gave me pause using the SBC 131 kernel. Mind you, I argued in favor of the kernel on other forums citing the original info in the post by the creator of the kernel. My situation was this. I work night shifts driving all night. I use a car dock to stream music and also for navigation. I stopped and pulled the phone out of the dock and it was literally nearly too hot to pick up. No smoke or noticeable damage just really hot. The next day I read Ziggy's post/opinions on SBC and followed up on the attached links. Now for me I ditched the kernel a. because I really don't have a concern about battery life (I charge at my desk and in my vehicle). b. because the phone was really, really hot! This is the dead of winter and it was 14 degrees outside and at night. Imagine those who dock in the summer when temps will really increase through the windshield just by ultraviolet heat and I really believe there will be problems. That stated, it is a matter of choice but my opinion (which means nothing) is user beware.
[EVO 4G General] EJerVJerO:
Ok why don't we go back to the actual issue how many of you fools that are complaining about the SBC kernels killing your phone had your phone overclocked with SetCPU?

I personally have multiple EVOS that I own running the SBC with no overclocking and the temps on all of them have been wonderful and thats with them plugged into charger for over 10 hours a night.
[EVO 4G General] EJerVJerO:
Also my phones have never gone over 77 degrees on temp.
[EVO 4G General] alex2792:
There is obviously a reason why the phone charges the way it does, hundreds(if not thousands) of man hours went into engineering the device by people who know electrical engineering. It's not like some HTC engineer woke up one morning and decided to only charge the battery to 90% capacity without a good reason behind it.
[EVO 4G General] rstuckmaier:
Then what are you even doing on this site?? If you "value" your phone that much you should'nt be rooting it and installing non-OEM roms.

When an actual dev or someone who knows what they are doing posts a confirmed problem (and netarchy pulling it out of his kernel for being concerned is NOT a confirmed problem) then I will start to worry.

Also, people have bricked their phones from rooting/flashing roms/kernels; does that mean we should ban that from here as well?

People have bricked their phone installing HTC OTA updates for crying out loud!
[EVO 4G General] deathsled:
nice to know we're fools simply because we had battery failures...

I don't run setcpu on my phone, there's no need for it. Kernels have gotten really good in the past month or so and I haven't felt the need to try to run any custom profiles or anything. Even when I did use setcpu it wasn't for overclocking, it was simply to to have a profile that drops the speed to the basement when the screen was off. My phone is plenty fast without overclocking it.

How come people are resorting to name calling and insults just because we're trying to bring to light a possible problem? I mean even the kernel devs are acknowledging it to some degree if the kernels are being taken down from the site. How much more "from the horses mouth" can you possibly get?
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
i know the risks but i still value my phone and study everything before i do it. im also a private dev and know what to do and not to do on my phone. i trust the devs and if they are pulling the sbc kernel for now ill stop using it as well.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
some people on here can just be rude as ****. just ignore them. when there phone starts smoking ill be the first to laugh at them.
[EVO 4G General] SilverZero:
So I guess the lesson here is, don't try to warn others of actual, physical harm (let alone fried batteries and/or phones) unless you want to get flamed for it. Kinda like how people always trash companies and drug manufacturers for recalling potentially harmful products when concerns are uncovered. :rolleyes:

To the OP: Thank you for telling your story. Despite the douchey replies you're getting, I'm sure there are a lot of people who will take this as a warning.
[EVO 4G General] djnarcotics:
still no photo's? hmm.......
[EVO 4G General] Jfree3000:
This is getting out of hand, its like a witch hunt. Don't mean to be rude to anyone who experienced problems with this kernel but where is the proof? Random people saying this and that with no evidence to back up that this kernel is the culprit. I'm sure it was pulled by some developers just to be on the safe side from all the complaints coming in, I personally have been using this kernel since its launch and I have left my phone plugged up charging overnight (usb and wall) with no temperature problems at all.

For those of us that are using this kernel there is no need to be overly rude to someone who removed it because of what they have seen on the internet, its their choice like its ours to use it.

GO COLTS!!!!! :D
[EVO 4G General] dschoenike:
nope, wrong. please, warn away and tell us the stories of what could "possibly" go wrong. The issue I've had, is with others calling for a ban on the kernel and saying if we "do" use it, we don't value our devices. If, the developer of the kernel I'm using comes out and says " its bad, don't use it anymore", then ill stop. Until then, it my phone and ill continue to enjoy what I have. I don't see what's so wrong about that.
[EVO 4G General] EJerVJerO:
Well there are plenty of steps you can use though in place if your worried about your battery/phone.

You can either run the SBC kernel or not run it that is up to you but if you do run it you can use programs like Battery Monitor Widget which now includes alarms when your battery is 100% and also when it reaches 0ma which than you would know you can remove it from the charger.

The thing is so many people have used SBC kernels successfully and just going off and saying it's the SBC part that is causing issues without any proof that it was just the SBC part that killed your phone.

I personally haven't seen any proof that there is issues with the SBC but would love to have someone who did have the issues show maybe some output of their battery stats from Battery Monitor widget to see what kind of temps your phone was hitting and other values. I also would love to see included exactly the full list of applications and rom you were running and which SBC kernel you were running including versions.

Stating there is an issue with something without actually backing it up with data and proof is what leads developers away from developing stuff and also gets everyone all in a panic.
[EVO 4G General] EJerVJerO:
If you aren't open to risks like others said than you never should have rooted or anything since there are so many variables that could possibly brick your phone and cause damage to it. If you root your phone you should already be expecting from that moment on to be looking at an insurance claim or replacement of hardware.

Once again I am all for warning people but to go further than that requires proof and actual data of the issue.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
why do you need photos?
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
rooting & flashing just voids warranty. overclocking and some of these mods can in fact harm your phone. maybe the op was overclocked and running sbc, that might be the problem right there.
[EVO 4G General] kingofslackerz:
I doubt this would show anything, I didn't have battery monitor installed whenever my phone had its issues. (I had just flashed ~3 days ago and forgot to restore) As soon as I got it running I installed it.

here'e the shot from this mornin
[EVO 4G General] EJerVJerO:
I agree that it voids warranty but in theory if you change any device from what it is operated to do normally it's always safe to say put money away in case something bad does happen and you need to replace it. I fully expected the day I rooted all my devices to possibly have to replace the device.
[EVO 4G General] djnarcotics:
to justify and completley besure that this indeed does cause this otherwise were just like the us military who invades iraq and has no proof of REAL WMD....
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
ohh....the irony of deathsled complaining about obtuse comments. Seriously could this be any more of a witch hunt? I have yet to see any proof or photos or anything else. Its feast or famine around here sheesh
[EVO 4G General] EJerVJerO:
I want personally more than a photo showing a phone melted or battery burnt lol

I want actual data proof you figure across more devices than the EVO people are using the SBC kernels and how many reports we have 4? out of possibly over 500+ people running a SBC kernel?

I personally like I said run SBC on many devices and zero issues. I use the alarm in Battery Monitor Widget to tell me when it reaches 0ma and I unplug all the devices from the charger. I also don't let mine charge while I am sleeping but again I also don't let other devices run when I am sleeping e.g. Dishwasher, Dryer, Washing Machine etc. The reason is if I am sleeping and something mechanical did happen to any of them I might not hear it or be up to respond to it :)

There is so many variables to the claim that SBC is causing these issues and no data to help people figure out why their devices had such an issue and also there are so many limited claims of people in general having smoke, overheating etc.

We also know that ROMS , Kernel, and Software even on the same hardware phones and stuff can cause issues that the other phone will not have.

We also don't know what batteries everyone was running? Were they stock batteries? Did they purchase 3rd party ones from China on ebay? Extended Batteries?

Were the batteries just on their way out in the first place and finally kicked the bucket? Were the phones in working order?

There are so many unanswered questions that need to have an answer before you can even point the finger at one single thing.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
some of you want too much then. the op just shared his experience along with 5 others that had issues. what i want is MS the creator of sbc to come on here and give us his thoughts. that would clear up alot of the debate. pretty funny with all of this going on MS is awol right now. if netarchy pulled sbc i have to think he did it for a good reason.
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
yeah, how dare MS not be there to attend to the propoganda and witch hunt and how dare his real life interfere with support unapprecitive community
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
how is it a witch hunt? :confused:

it could be his kernel doesn't play well with people overclocking. hence the extra heat it creates that fried the battery. doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that overclocking anything will shorten the life of your pc or phone. it creates heat and unlike a pc or laptop there is no fan blowing on it to keep it cool.
[EVO 4G General] EJerVJerO:
It is a conspiracy!!!!! MS is awol because he had this planned from the begining he wants everyones phones to go POOF! Seriously I don't see what else MS could add to it other than what he and others have said about the actual use of SBC and how the inner workings work. There have been plenty of people who have looked at the source which anyone can view if they understand C and figure out what exactly it is doing.

Without someone having exactly the same phone in their hands running the same stuff theres no telling what went wrong with these phones.

This is a community driven forum with many community projects going on inside of it. MS and others put their research and projects out there for us all to use and they all come with a disclaimer which should be expected anyways that they are not responsible for what happens since they obviously know many variables do come into play and you are going to be running something that your phone manufacture did not plan for it to do or they would have included it when you bought the phone.

So your saying 6 people out of 500+ if not in the thousands are running it that it MUST be this single issue? There are people who might not post on XDA or who found the SBC kernels on other forums running it and also there are other devices than the EVO running SBC kernels which the same goes for and we have 6 complaints of this issue?.
[EVO 4G General] EJerVJerO:
This goes back to exactly what I was saying. Overclocking is just one of the things unanswered by the reports we have seen. Some people could be doing 1.19 or 1.2 overclocking and leaving their phone in many states while it's overclocked.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
no im saying that netarchy makes some of the best kernels out there and he in fact pulled all sbc mods from his kernels. he did it for a good reason! kinda funny don't you think? and im pretty sure he is very knowledgeable with building roms and kernels from scratch. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
correction its NETARCHY's kernel patched with his SBC. see this is the problem, everyone think its his kernels. he patched it out of going above and beyond instead of just letting dev's know his github is up to date. I am not going to even entertain this madness anymore. Let me know when more than .001% of the people using SBC has issues. WAAAAAAAAAAAY to many variables to pin it on SBC alone, but to each their own choices