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[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Hey everyone, so I was reading this post from another Xda'er and was reading comments from almost a year ago from this article Here, I came across a post by a person that read this

"Same. iPhone is the de facto benchmark (for now) that this will likely beat by a good measure. The mitigating factor -- for some -- is if you need the variety of iPhone's apps. It'll be a constant balance between that flexibilit*y and the faster network/mo*re power this device is capable of."

This was on the comments section of the CTIA announcement of the Evo, I just came to the realization that I stopped comparing my phone to the iPhone long ago and actually started Benching it up with other Android Devices. I thought it was pretty funny, I mean I like the iPhone if it was on Sprint I would surely get one but now that I am seeing these new phones its just awesome! ;)

Anyone else have a similar experience thus far?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
The iPhone never really was the benchmark hardware-wise. They tend to release very competitive hardware for the release period (Ex: iPhone 5 will be one of the most advance phones released on launch) but a month or two later a newer better spec'd phone will be out (Like the SGS vs. iPhone 4). The one thing that the iPhone still continues to do good is in the optimization of it's software. With just one model a year to focus on, Apple will always make sure that iOS squeezes out as much performance from the hardware.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Very true. I dont think I was comparing hardware when I first saw these phones, I was a complete noob I still had a samsung rumor :P let me tell you that phone was priceless it was a little brute! But I never really cared for specs on iPhones it was more or less how smooth the experience is like you said I commend apple with how amazingly optimized their software is. It is just awesome, I really wish android had this but it is still coming into its own my only fear is that new devices will keep being pushed out like candy and new ones will be completely forgotten after less than 6 months this will be the trend, if so android has no stable platform, I think this is fragmentation but hey it keeps getting better and look at the dev community here they do an AMAZING JOB, they are OUR optimizers just wish they had more back pocket to push them and more people to help like Apple does but then again they have to....I think I just typed what I was thinking....oh well hope some of this had a point.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
my roommate has an iphone and they were all up in steve jobs bum about how awesome it is and didn't like my evo when I got it (had 2.1at the time) I didnt care much about how great the iphone screen was as it was too small for me, now that I think about it ever since I rooted I can't recall an instance when their iphone did something better

they are talking about how they want to jailbreak it now and I actually thought " how cute that they want to take their little toy out of the box"

my evo is far superior and I dont think the iphone is competition
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
With all respect, when can this forum grow up and stop with the iPhone comparison and bashing? It's really pretty gross after this long. It's like the little brother who beat his big brother in HORSE once and then talks about it for five years.

I'm not saying Apple deserves to be praised for everything they do, but at some point we should just realized that not only are these devices months old by now, but that in the end, nobody really cares if the iPhone is the "benchmark" or not. iPhone has the popularity, and Apple has the customer base which won't listen to a (bad) word you have to say about their device. You're essentially preaching to the choir with all these threads, and it's not really accomplishing anything.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Did you read any of my posts at all. I wasnt bashing the iPhone in any way at all I ACTUALLY SAID I WOULD BUY ONE....I would drop my android phone for an iPhone right now if it was on Sprint but its not and I like android all the same too. I wouldnt mind having both but seriously dude your post accomplished nothing and has proven you didnt read the 2 more verbose posts not that one guys where is he saying his phone can do anything the iPhone can, stop trying to be some hero and be "neutral" when I started this thread not as an iPhone bashing thread I had just realized this point and wanted to see if anyone else had, so before you hijack my thread and at nothing more I PLEAD with you to read what else I have written and edit your post with help information. I actually thing I described fragmentation which Applbots love to talk about Android Fanboys love to omit from their knowledge and sane people who dont really argue over it for we have XDA.

P.S. I dont know where you come from where my opinion doesnt matter, to me it surely does and I could give .02 if it matters to you, the thing is I was curious if anyone else had similar thoughts.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Pretty much. When that Iphone drops on Verizon people are REALLY going to see how popular that phone is. There are still a ton of people that want it but wont switch to at&t to get it. Both OS have their advantages but the thing that I still miss about IOS is the apps by far.
[EVO 4G General] AbsolutZeroGI:
iPhone doesn't have the popularity anymore. Android has been outselling iPhones for months now. So, we have the more popular brand now.

Also, have you ever been on an iPhone forum? All they do is bash Android. They have whole threads dedicated to it. They have fake reviewers ***** about how terrible Androids are:

http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/29/htc-evo-4g/

They write on our YouTube videos (guides, reviews, just showing off the phone because we love it) being little brats and throwing insults my 12 year old brother would shake off and laugh at.

So, for a couple of Android loving Evo owners to complain about iPhone and it's users in a private environment not only shows more maturity than iPhone users, it shows respect to their videos and forums by not flooding the internet with useless, incorrect rabble. We can admit the iPhone owns benchmark without getting our panties in a twist, but even I'm sick of hearing about it on phonedog reviews for Android phones.

Leave them alone, you can avoid conversations like this, if you don't like them, using this guide.

ABSOLUTZERO'S GUIDE TO AVOIDING CONVERSATIONS YOU DON'T WANT TO READ.

Step 1: Hit the back button.

Step 2: Go enjoy the rest of your day.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
The theme of your post is: "Sup guys I forgot about the iPhone. It's cool and all but these new things rock"

It's really pathetic. I know you're not the only one. But why can't we just enjoy our device without looking like a bunch of idiot underdogs that take every jab we can?
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Ok. So he can have input, but I can't have input on his input. Got it.
[EVO 4G General] AbsolutZeroGI:
His input was on topic, your input was not. Of course, mine isn't either so technically we're both trolling now.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Did you read one WORD even a single sentence, I stated I liked the iPhone, are you trying to troll, this thread needs to be cleaned up.

I admit that title was misleading and was ignorant apologies alright it sounded different to me at the time. It was more personable and was not intended for community interpretation.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
The thread doesn't need to be "cleaned up," the forum needs to be cleaned up. I'm pretty sure the name of the forum we're in is "Evo 4G General," as in, related to the Evo 4G - NOT some roundabout broad topic discussion about the iPhone. Go to the more general forums if you want to talk about that. I'll just keep talking about the phone, as this forum was meant, and deterring those who aren't. Sound good?

o/
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
First off, look at the link I posted, hmmmm thats not on topic at all, nope that is not about the Evo AT ALL, I changed the title of the thread seriously, grow up and drop it and stop hijacking my thread and maybe have some useful input...

Noob question not directed at the troll.

How do I report my own thread? :p
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Okay. Well I'll create a thread next time I'm on the toilet browsing Engadget on my Evo, and it'll be about the Evo. Sound good?
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Ummmmm, yea actually what will we be discussing.

P.S. You should police this thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=785408

Its the Call of Duty Clan thread on the EVO 4G General section tisk tisk they must be policed...:D Do your best sobis1dm
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Nah. That thread starts, "Flame me if you want." At least he's not blindly defending himself, and knows he's off topic.
[EVO 4G General] patelkedar91:
I don't think benchmarks matter because... speed doesn't really matter much anymore.

Seriously I haven't had any lag issues with my phone besides the awful GPU.

Nowadays every phone seems to be strong enough to handle anything.

To me, features mean more than specs now... somewhat.
[EVO 4G General] toastcfh:
WARNING

this thread is going way off the rails. please stay on topic.

thanx
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Speed does matter. Resolutions are increasing, animations and presentation are getting more sophisticated, etc. But the issue isn't the CPU, it's the GPU and I've been saying this for a long time. We don't need a dual core CPU to run the Facebook app; and it's unlikely that we'll be see many apps in the future that require that much power either. It just doesn't fit the on the go and small form factor use case of a smartphone. I still expect the power to increase but I think a much more logical progression in 2011 would be single core Cortex A9. It'd still be way more powerful than anything pre-CES and the power efficiency would be higher especially as the die size decreases even further.

The main bottle neck is the GPU. Think of every app that DOES require power to be smooth and fast: Google Earth, 3D view in Google Maps, fringe features like Live Wallpapers, and of course, games. Basically mobile apps will not need lots of computation power to process tasks but might need graphical power to display the information it outputs. So just pair up a =< 40nm single core A9 with a beast GPU (PowerVR SGX 545 or equivalent), a huge battery (1920 mAh like the Atrix 4G, and why not? the phones are HUGE now), smaller more efficient radios and components, and bam, you got a phone that'll eclipse all current phones, run super smooth, and last all day under heavy use.

Once Android is GPU accelerated it'll be hard if not impossible to tell the difference (visually, not through benchmarks) between a single core and dual core phone that shares the same GPU.
[Xoom General] kalpeshmist:
So here it is... motorola's tablet powered by Honeycomb. And damn Honeycomb looks awesome. just wanted to know if the honeycomb what shown in that android developer video has the native UI... or motorola have put one of its own..?

Just look at the 10.1 tablet... http://bit.ly/dGPvlR
[Xoom General] kalpeshmist:
10 mins detailed honeycomb, its the only thing you need to know of honeycomb... verizon had detailed the xoom at CES.... http://www.techit.in/detailed-preview-of-honeycomb-its-sweet/
[G2 and Desire Z General] felix88d:
my g2 is perm root with sense rom.. something is wrong with the screen (a blank white screen) and care will perform a handset exchange but can they find out that i have a different firmware with perm root and charge me a out of warranty fee??
[G2 and Desire Z General] joemm:
Rooting voids the warranty.

This is posted everywhere around the forum "Warning this will void your warranty"

Can you still boot into Hboot? (phone off, then volume-down + power button)The reason I ask is because if you can, its gonna be real easy to see if you have s-off, and if you can see it, they can see it.

Can they charge you for the warranty?, I would have to say yes, since rooting voids your warranty, they have a bottom line to protect and if they suspect you did something to viod your warranty they are gonna protect that bottom line.

You posted another thread about this same situation, your best bet is to return it to stock if possible, but like I stated in your last thread we need more info to help you. Refer to you last thread and post the requested info.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ijoshv2:
Rooting DOES void the warranty. BUT. There's hope for you, yet!

Follow this guide to UNDO the rooting process. I've done these steps, just to see if it holds to what it says. And i'll be damned, it works. Check it out!!

http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/01/how-to-unroot-the-t-mobile-g2-htc-vision/

Good luck, fellow G2 owner. Hopefully things work out.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Ibleedandroid:
Good form old boy...
[Atrix 4G General] jaykruer:
So recently at CES (and on their website) Motorola announced two dual core 4g android 2.2 powerhouses. One, called the Droid Bionic on Verizon's LTE network. The second is the Motorola Atrix 4G on AT&T's upcoming HSPA+ and LTE Network.

The main differences for me is between AT&T's networks track record (I'm currently on AT&T and let's just say it makes road trips suck) and verizon's, but the advantage of the Atrix 4G is 1. when LTE isn't availible it will fall back to HSPA+, while on the Bionic it falls back to 3G. 2. it has an accesory that allows you to dock your phone into a netbook-like "shell" and runs what seems to be some sort of desktop enviroment. I personally need to see this all in action with some more demos to decide, but what do you all think?
[Atrix 4G General] jul644:
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i almost cried the atrix is perfect with its 1930mha battery

Those include a Tegra dual-core processor, 1GB of RAM and support for up to 48GB of memory, a 4-inch QHD display (or 960 x 540), a front-facing VGA camera and 5-megapixel with an LED flash 'round back, a 1930 mAh battery that promises nine hours of talk time, fingerprint login security, and Android 2.2 for an OS.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa im so excited :)
[Atrix 4G General] horiveira:
The Atrix demo video blew me away. The desktop experience looks rather promising.
[Atrix 4G General] blakkheartt12:
I am definitely getting the ATRIX 4G!! But it looks like the European version got snowed!!

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_headed_to_orange_uk_wants_to_become_a_smartbook-news-2201.php
[Atrix 4G General] will9895:
Atrix 4g

I'd recommend that everyone looks at a walkthrough of the Atrix + laptop/ desktop docks. Quite literally that has to be the future. It seems like the cloud concept, having your own computer everything across multiple platforms. For me, the reality is that although I can do most things Office on my HD2, a computer is better. Keyboard and screen. But I want to view my documents everywhere, and get fed up with transferring them and file sync. When i first got a pendrive it was a similar feeling, that there was the same familiar thing (files) everywhere. This is like that, just it can do it all, you can interact on the go, in a tv/ desktop/laptop environment. 'Revolutionary' Oses look good, and have more apps; phones have better specs: this is what i think that word means. Imagine if as a business/ in a hospital/ school everyone used a device like this that conformed to universal standards. Most stand-out product I can remember seeing. Anyone going to get one? (i won't, unfortunately...money)
[Atrix 4G General] johng75:
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/de...us=success&_requestid=574752#fbid=KfpgRFZAXmz

decisions! decisions!

and i was all but ready to jump ship from blue boy to red devil for the thunderbolt.... now i actually have some real options....

drools over laptop dock.... r u kidding me!
[Atrix 4G General] malfuncion:
the atrix is just plain and simple awesome. The only thing that will hold me back is the possible locked bootloader. Moto is notorious for that and may be what keeps me from jumping on board.

Overall, the features of the phone are amazing. the InfoSync link below holds most of the specs.

The only question is should I wait for ROOT or just jump on from the getgo?

Also will XDA cover these devices? There arent any Moto's on the site currently...?

for those who want some more input-

AT&T (already linked above):

http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/de...us=success&_requestid=574752#fbid=Y6NXPT2lPp_

InfoSync:

http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/motorola-atrix-4g/11648.html

A really good writeup from Moto:

http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Pre...X-4G-the-Future-of-Mobile-Computing-353c.aspx

Phandroid's Walkthrough:

http://phandroid.com/2011/01/06/motorola-atrix-4g-walkthrough-video/

Moto's Info (teaser site)

www.motorola.com/atrix

Other new phones from Moto and maybe some tablets?

http://phandroid.com/2011/01/05/motorola-xoom-droid-bionic-cliq-2-atrix-4g-official-videos/
[Atrix 4G General] buddy17:
my first android phone is the Captivate, and i told myself i wouldn't look for another phone until a higher res screen was available with android. Well...here it is!!

I am curious though...how is the development for Motorola phones compare to the huge support for HTC phones?? Recently, i have seen a lot of people talking about how Motorola locks down the bootloader, but is that really a problem for development? I looked very quickly at the DX development section and it didn't seem like a lot was going on.
[Atrix 4G General] l7777:
AT&T's 3G network is barely available outside major cities, HSPA+ is built off the 3G network it's just an upgrade. Since the LTE footprint is likely to be even less than the 3G footprint, you will most likely be stuck on the edge network which is many time slower than VZW's 3G network. Given that VZW covers a much larger portion of the country, I will still be switching. When available, AT&T does have a very fast network, sadly it isn't available anywhere near as widely as VZW's despite what the death star would have you believe.
[Atrix 4G General] thindery:
I'm on att and have the Captivate, the former powerhouse android phone they offered. I definitely want to get this Moto Atrix very bad.

For those that haven't seen the demo of the desktop version check it out:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/motorola-atrix-4g-hd-multimedia-dock-and-laptop-dock-hands-on/#

Basically it has some full screen apps and it's a full Firefox browser which means you can run any website the way it was meant to be run and full flash 10.1.

Then it has some citrix setup that allows business people to connecto a virtual computer or something and it looks like you are running windows off your phone. I'm sure this "citrix" software can be made to work with your home PC so you could run your home PC off this phone when it is docked.

This phone is nuts and i've been thinking for a long time this is the way phones need to go.
[Atrix 4G General] kevina90:
no, i have to stay strong.... have to stick with htc, OMG IT TURNS INTO A LAPTOP, (toss, aria goes into trashcan). No jk, htc's phones have always been where my loyalty lies... but it is SO tempting to switch *fidget*
[Atrix 4G General] jaykruer:
Going with Atrix for sure!

So Moto is saying Q1 for atrix and Q2 for Bionic and the added 512mb of ram in the Atrix is a BIG plus, not to mention the fact I'm already on AT&T also the Atrix is much smexier. GSM for the win!
[Atrix 4G General] johng75:
hahahaha.... you and me both... i was so set on going and getting a thunderbolt.... now that the specs are official all i can say is... what happen? was motorola the only one that got the message? outside of the bootloader issues, ive gotta see this on in person, but im almost sold!
[Atrix 4G General] vido.ardes:
The Atrix is the first new technology that has got me excited for many years, and the only phone that has really piqued my interest since I bought my HTC Hero. The Nexus was nice, and was quite an upgrade, but it did what my phone did but slightly faster. I was waiting for something more... revolutionary.

The Nexus S was one of the biggest disappointments ever, but then out of nowhere this shows up from Motorola and totally blows me away. I mean seriously, this will actually change my life (no exaggeration).

I carry my phone my 1G iPod Touch and my camera everywhere with me. I use the iPod to listen to music on the go, and when I get home I plug it into the dock next to my TV (The dock is hooked up to my sound system) and listen to music and watch videos on my TV. I take pictures and video with my digital camera and I do work in the office, transfer stuff to my phone bring it home and transfer it to my PC to keep working on it.

That all changes. I take one device, with my laptop dock, and that's it. I can work on it, listen to music, watch videos, play games, use it as a sat nav, take photos, shoot 720p videos and it is all in one device. I can hook it up to my sound system at home, I can take it to my parents and show them photos and videos on the laptop dock, I can do work on the train and show it straight away to my boss as soon as I walk through the door... I don't have to transfer a single file anywhere.

The other thing is this has the hardware to last a few years. Tegra 2 (Dual 1GHz Cortex A9), Hi-Res qHD Screen (960x540), 1GB RAM, 16GB ROM, SD card slot 5MP camera with dual LED flash, VGA front facing camera, nice big battery (1,930mAh)... the only thing I would have wished for is a better camera. I don't even care that it is on Android 2.2, this phone does everything I need as it is, I couldn't care less if it never got 2.3 or anything higher. The only thing missing from Android for me is Hardware acceleration.

The only problem I have is where am I gonna find the money to buy all the accessories?! I want the laptop dock for work and home, the multimedia dock for the front room, the normal dock for the bedroom, the car dock for sat nav... I need a new mortgage!
[Atrix 4G General] hdurina:
lol lost...i totally hear ya though. can't wait to get my hands on this beast - or the other beast - the optimus 2X...what the 2x lacks (its got a 512 MB ram vs atrix's 1gb), it makes up for with a 8MP cam and true 1080p video recording/ playback. But no docks...at least, as yet. Wonder where the world is going to be in a couple of months...wonder how much i will have left in my bank...but all i know is that ill be the first guy in my part of town to lay my hands on these beasts
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
This looks awesome and like already stated, it's a huge announcement out of nowhere.

Bye-bye iPhone, nobody enjoyed your market presence. LOL

In all reality, once Jobs gets done cleaning up the crap out of his pants, he's probably going to go into some sort of vein-popping frenzy trying to get something ready by June.
[Atrix 4G General] qkall:
i didn't see anyone mention this but is this going to suck to root? like i know the driod x was a pain... and i see that happening with the atrix. granted i guess thats what xda is for ;)
[Atrix 4G General] magnumrt562:
When this comes out, my wife gets the captivate and i get to use my upgrade credit for this beast!!!! I cannot wait!
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
Rooting the Droid X wasn't that big of deal IIRC... The custom ROMs is what was a pain (And as far as I can remember there isn't the selection like you have here with open phones). Either way, if Motorola does the eFuse thing on the Atrix, it'll suck and definitely be a big downside.

However- this phone looks sweet regardless of custom ROMs. As long as it runs fast (it should), doesn't have issues (like lag or GPS... Captivate), there's few reasons to need custom ROMs.

Now- I still would like root (WiFi AP, Tethering, etc for free).
[Atrix 4G General] ghost77:
I hope it can playback MKV , it was main selling point for me to get Captivate.
[Atrix 4G General] orb3000:
I´ll go for HTC Inspire!
[Atrix 4G General] TexUs:
Inspire is too big.
[Atrix 4G General] Cim_XII:
If I were to choose between all the new phones shown off at CES I'd def. go for the Motorola Atrix or the LG 2x, possibly the Sonyericsson Arc - although I am not fully pleased with the X10 so I am not sure whether to ditch SE for a while or not...