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[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
First of all, the speakers aren't too bad. Coming from a Blackberry myself though, I see a huge difference. But compared to any other smartphone in the market at the moment they're average. I've yet to see a smartphone whose speakers make me say "wow!" Second, it never surprises me how much people suck on the teet of the "almighty" SAmoled screen. I have an Omnia II, I use Vibrants all the time and ya know what...SAmoled is not all that. You kiddies like to portray it as the end all be all of the mobile phone screen world but its not. In fact, I hate the damn screen on my Omnia II. It looks distorted and ****ty. If that's what you consider "better" than that's your ****. Not everyone wants cartoon colors for everything they see though. As far as viewing angles, you must be one of those people that watch a movie at 90* angle huh? Cuz that's probably the only way you could consider the SAmoled screens better. Better color saturation? Really? Refer to my cartoon colors comment. My Omnia II works fine but I just keep the damn thing because it runs important .cabs I need for work, other than that the "selling points" of SAmoled Samsung phones is wasted on me. The screen looks dim and colorful 90% of the time. Mind you, its not a horrible screen, but people overhyping it so much really makes me laugh. As far as cameras, I haven't seen DVP pics or video so I don't know how good it is, but it'd better be damn good because I've taken some damn nice pics with my HD7. Took a lot of messing with the settings and scenarios but it looks damn good. And I'd love to see what you mean by the HD7 having inferior build quality though. I guess not all phones can have the cheap plastic surrounding that the Vibrant has huh? Or the wiggly cheap feeling slide out keyboard on the DVP? Best constructed phones of 2010 LOL that's why it kept getting delayed eh? So what specific build quality issues are you referring to with the HD7 though? My HD7 hasn't given me one problem since I got it on launch day. Perfect buttons, perfect screen, the metal trim and kickstand have held up extremely well and the phone feels solid. So do tell what these issues are so I can run and trade in my HD7 for a plastic phone sir :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I'm not often a kissass but I'd like to give you a standing ovation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
Thank you thank you. Far too kind. But somebody had to say it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
When u learn to use paragraphs I will read ur post. But I'm not sifting through that.

Also, do a post search and I'll see I'm no sampled fanboy. The hd7 screen is terrible. Dvp only has an amplest screen. L2read...

Also, Don't call me kiddie. I can get snippy, too.

Its no secret that the hd7 is the worst wp7 device, and no one cares about curve speakers. A bb bold 9780 has way louder and better speakers than an hd7.

As for the screen, the comparison I linked speaks for itself. Its a damn terrible screen...

The dvp's keyboard is not wiggly. You're grasping at straws. Don't confuse it with a g2...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I don't think you fully understand. Its more than just colors with amoled and Samoled screens. Every OEM is on the waiting list. HTC, Motorola, LG etc are all wanting these screens.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Dell camera samples, at the very least no pink tint:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10225139&postcount=13
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
In all actuality the AMOLED SAMOLED means nothing to me, I prefer the larger screen because I have massive gamer thumbs and therefor I go with the HD7. I'm not saying the focus isnt a better device in a lot of ways but for some of us it's just not right though it is awesome. I dont much like the lack of heft and the plasticky feel but meh. I wil also never trust samsung when it comes to updates again even though the manufacturer handles them now its still... shaky. The point is they have a windows phone 7 for every kind of user even with how few are released.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JoePR31:
There's no point in debating with him. Every "point" he makes regarding the HD7 seems to be based solely on something he's read or a video that he's seen online...not on first hand experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kabumm:
Well, then let it be.

I wasnt aware of the differences until i saw SAMOLED and SLCD side by side.

SAMOLED just rocks your eyes and I would have loved to get one.

But for me not only the screen is important, thats why i chose the mozart over the omnia7 which appeared to me to be just to big.

Non the less SAMOLED is just nice looking at.
[Windows Phone 7 General] VonCrisp:
Coming back to the topic.

rumoured devices are:

Omnia 7 with a keyboard (speculative since files for the hardware keyboard were found in a new Omnia 7 firmware)

HTC with a slide out keyboard. Many pics exist.

And this strange looking phone:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/ocosmos-returns-at-ces-2011-with-windows-7-based-gaming-handheld/
[Windows Phone 7 General] WinUser009:
why is everybody telling the dell venue pro "the ultra-high-end phone", if it has just 256 mb RAM? I read this on many websites, is this information not true??

If it is true, I wouldn't tell something like that "high-end"
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
A good screen is a huge factor. You stare at it the entire time you use the damn phone.

Also its not hard to go to a T-Mobile store and see them side by side.

Again, Dvp isn't samoled.

I posted the video because people in this thread obviously haven't bothered to check for themselves. Its not like I'm gonna send everyone two phones to see in person.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Rice8Daddy:
Not too happy at the lack of love for HD7, mainly because I have it myself and love it to bits! So you can be sure my opinion is entirely unbiased!

Honestly though, at the moment, I would say unless you absolutely must have a WP, then wait a month or two for the dual core android (or are they out already?) cos it sounds sweet! WP likely won't support dual core until at least Q2/3 2011. Because of the way MS have decided to manage the WP platform, I doubt there will be a major hardware update in CES.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kabumm:
Oh come on, who REALLY needs a dual-core PHONE?!

I dont know anybody...

Might be quite nice for showing off, but what else?

Concerning HD7 i can say that subjectiv display quality depends on what phone youre coming from.

For me even SLCD (will get my Mozart soon) looks nice. SAMOLED (Omina7) for me looks a bit nicer, but not that much that i would pay 100€ extra.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
The HD7 screen is the weakest part of the phone, no question and it really does become apparent when you use a device like the DVP, Focus or even the iphone. Check the reviewers comments on the screen in this review: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd7-review-542p2.php. HTC could have done better, the Evo and their subsequent android devices seem to have better LCD screens but they decided to cheap out when it came to WP7, across their entire WP7 lineup in fact. And I have compared the HD7 directly to a Focus and to my DVP and in both cases it compares poorly, only winning on size and by .2 inches in the case of the DVP.

And while there is no question the Dell has issues they at least tried to make their device stand out with the design and inclusion of a keyboard, while HTC seemingly threw together devices from spare components lying around. I would definitely wait to see if anything interesting is announced at CES but failing that I still would definitely not even consider any of HTC's WP7 current devices. Far from "quietly brilliant" IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No multitasking. The phones really don't require that much ram to perform decently. By the time that becomes a factor most people will be looking at second gen phones probably with upgrades soc and more storage, better build, hepatitis+/lte etc.

None of the current wp7 devices are sufficiently future proof IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WinUser009:
you may be right but rather more future proof than the DVP. Didn't MS say, that they will integrate multitasking in wp7 soon? I read something like that...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
the results are inconclusive. Dell has said that its 512, but programs that list device specs list it at 256.

Sorry, but I'd rather take a hd7 with its "crappy" screen that works, then a dvp that seems almost everyone on the dvp forum says they are returning or awaiting a replacement. Too many problems that the other phones haven't had (multiple freeze ups).

Yet, I bet if it was the hd7 with only 256mb of ram, you'd list that as a major problem...

I don't see any newer hardware phones for wp7 until at least the fall, but it might be CES next year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Agree. I'll get my job to call Dell to confirm how much RAM is in the phone.

But it doesn't matter. WP7 can probably operate decently with only 192 MB of RAM, because it only needs enough RAM for the OS, whatever first party apps you're running, and ONE third party app. The only thing I can see running poorly with 256 MB RAM is a very large game with tons of stuff being rendered on the screen.

P.S. Vibrants only have ~190 MB of free RAM after a clean boot, and the phones run decently (save for RFS-induced lag).

No. Not really. The phone simply doesn't need it. The Nokia N8 only has 256MB RAM (Symbian can use Virtual Memory, however the performance penalty is similar to the Android's background task killer, if not more severe), and I've always said it was a solid phone, and never said the RAM was a problem - and Symbian has been multi-tasking since forever. WP7 cannot multi-task 3rd party apps, and that won't come until the Mango update which will probably be Q3 or Q4 2011.

Buying a launch phone was smart if you are a WP7 fan and wanted to support the platform and give it a nice bump, but it was a waste because these phones will be outdated in < 1 year.

ASSumptions, much?

I'm not a lemming. I take forums with a grain of salt. Almost everyone in the Vibrant forum says it's the best phone since sliced thread... I think you should seek a better point of reference.

Also, stop acting like I'm some random fanboy that does nothing but bash WP7 and WP7 devices in this forum. I've been quite defensive of the platform before and since it's launched. I'm just calling a spade a spade. That phone (the HD7) is a recycled HD2 with a cheaper chasis and a new OS.

Wrong. The "NoDo" update for WP7 is coming in February and will add support for newer Snapdragon chipsets. Better phones will come out with better hardware I'd say in Q1 or Q2 2011 at the latest. The platform will not be able to compete with just these launch devices, if Microsoft is going to try to ride these for almost a whole year.

Microsoft is not Apple, and Developers will not take likely to being chained to these rather low-spec devices for an entire year when they can create more sophisticated applications on other platforms.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I said none of the WP7 devices are sufficiently future proof.

They all run an old SoC with a (compared to current tech) bad GPU. They all suffer from build quality and Quality Control issues.

None of them have LTE/WiMax/HSPA+ radios.

Compared to high end Android and iOS devices the WP7 launch devices sort of look like a slightly better Blackberry Torch, with a prettier interface (but less functionality in the OS).

I wasn't comparing the two devices, because for the most part they both suffer from the same issues (i.e. their internal hardware is very similar - at least the stuff that really matters).

Multitasking isn't coming until the Mango update, which is probably more than 6 months away.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/windows-phone-7-nodo-update-hitting-phones-in-early-february/

TBQH, putting more than 256 MB RAM in a phone may not actually be worth it for manufacturers right now, given the early upgrade policies most carriers have (people who buy off contract will do so soon after the better phones launch).
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
You call the hd7, a rebranded hd2, yet what is so bad about that? How can you call the dvp better, when most people are having to have their first ones (already delayed twice), for replacements due to freeze ups and random resets? In theory, the dvp is a nice phone, but dell was unable to deliver the end user experience.

I would be suprised if there is newer wp7 hardware coming soon. Nothing has been leaked yet except cdma phones that will carry over the snapdragon.

Maybe we see something spec'd at mwc, but even then, a release would probably be late summer, early fall at the earliest.

fyi, I know you are not a fanboi, but your love of the dvp and hatred of the hd7 is headscratching.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Umm... Have you even read the thread.

- Bad Quality LCD Screen

- Pink Camera Tint

- Dubious Camera Quality (esp. when viewing high MP pictures taken with the phone on a large display)

- Small battery (1230 v. 1400/1500 mAh battery)

- The casing feels cheaper than an HD2

- The buttons on the phone are cheap and some of them are hard to press or have bad response (Camer and Power)

If Manufacturers wait until fall to get newer Single Core WP7 devices out then WP7 will be practically dead in the water, because it will be usurped easily by newer Android handsets and an iOS refresh.

The phones need to be released early Q2 at the latest, or the platform will be damaged quite a bit.

The Dell phone is good. People have been recieving them recently and they are getting good reviews. The only reason why the issues are bit more vocal for that phone is because so little of them were actually shipped out/sold until recently.

So yea, when you're one of only a few people on the internet with the phone talking about it your compaints tend to get more attention.

Or maybe Microsoft just WANTS the phones that run their OS to be the next Palm Pres?

Also, it makes no sense for manufacturers to continue to produce devices that are functionally identical, especially since they cannot deface the OS the way they could/can with Android or Symbian...

Sorry, I don't love anything. I just recognize a superior product when I see it and aren't blinded by biases just because I chose to purchase something else.

The fact and the matter is, anything with a 4.3" screen is bound to have an LCD of dubious quality that more than likely looks washed out. AMOLED and sAMOLED screens cost too much to manufacture at that size, so no manufacturers are going to go that big on those screens - yet, at least.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
hey fellow hd7 users. Is it just me or is that hd7 suffering from some serious glare in the video? My black background isn't S amoled black, but it's close. That one, there is either something wrong with that screen or its glaring hard core. Maybe its the viewing angle.

I also noticed the banding they have been talking about on the amoled screens and that the fonts are thicker and fuzzier on the dvp.

What do y'all think?
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
I understand what the appeal of it is, just get tired of kiddies like the one that posted above you hanging on Samsung's sack and proclaiming almighty and all powerful and other screens as ****. Like I said, I don't like cartoon colors and I don't watch videos at 90* angles just for the hell of it, so I'm fine. My Omnia II's SAmoled screen is fine, but it's not that damn great. My HD7s screen is fine for most situations and looks even better than the SAmoled in others.

As for the kiddy I had previously mentioned, I won't bother arguing with a dolt that uses "I'll read your post when it's in paragraphs" as a cop-out. No biggy, don't wanna argue with a young'n anyways.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
He is a fanboi. A SAMOLED fanboi, apparently...

And the little dolt never addressed the so-called "quality issues" the HD7 has, according to him. Cop-out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
All I can say is

NOVA Black

Super AMOLED Plus

Pawning LCD. Not just colors, but size(one layer vs three), power consumption.

Anyway I wouldn't purchase a WP7 device right now. If the Mango update is really Mango, then the current devices will be SOL.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ForeverImASpartan:
Don't buy into WP7 right now. Im selling my HD7 as we speak.

Im just going to stick with Android, M$ is too far behind to catch up...and given their track record with Windows Mobile...they will never catch up to Android or iOS.

Im kinda bummed, I bought all of those xbox live games. Thats the only thing I like about this phone...the games and Netflix (which will come to Android soon).
[Windows Phone 7 General] rockstarar:
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/01/05/samsung-infuse-4g-is-a-4-5-inch-galaxy-s-phone-destined-for-at-t/
[Windows Phone 7 General] rockstarar:
you guys are all sayin dont buy windows phone. then what should i buy? i'm using a motorola charm as a temporary replacement.. something needs to be done. and i wouldnt mind a new OS, but not at the cost of it becoming a Palm Pre.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
If I was a SAMOLED fanboi, my signature would read differently, no?

Don't be dumb. Seriously. Read my posting history. I'm anything but a SAMOLED fanboi.

And I've said 10 times already, th DVP does not have a SAMOLED screen. SAMOLED has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion...

The only phones with SAMOLED screens are Samsung phones, and there aren't even that many other devices from other manufacturers using regular AMOLED screens... Shortages, etc. You know how it goes...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Yes, the LCD screens HTC uses are very prone to glare and have poor viewing angles.

On the flip side, LG is using an LCD screen that has fantasic viewing angles. I need to find out exactly what type of screen that is...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Samsung produces the screens, and they're putting it on one phone that we know of today. They aren't shipping them out to other manufacturers.

Furthermore, I wrote my post before we even knew about this phone.

What's your point?

That Samsung can produce 4.5" samoled screens on one of its own phones while most (pretty much every) other manufacturers can hardly get a decent stock of regular amoled screens?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Exactly. The OS runs smooth as butter now, but things will change when that old SoC is put up to the task of running games/software designed for better hardware, and third party multi-tasking.

But at least they get to use WP7 Beta 1 for some months before these devices get released and an update drops their performance factorably.

The Chaarm sucks, but you should wait. There are better phones coming out in Q1 2011. I wouldn't buy any new device right now unless my phone completely broke and I couldn't get a replacement from the carrier. It's not worth the investment on the eve of a bunch of device launches, IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Just go to a store and play with different phones, ask yourself a question what you want your phone to do, and research it. See which OS is more suitable for your needs, which would you think will be the easiest to use for your needs.

You might get an opinionated/biased suggestions from the sales staff, so if you feel like they are pushing something onto you, just do more research.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rockstarar:
i have done at least 20 HOURS of research beginning midoctober. you have my word on that. im tired of waiting.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Well there is obviosly nothing new coming out this quarter from ms except what is already known - c&p to the current phones and cdma phones. A few new android phones are due that will sport 4G LTE initiative from VZ and upcoming 4G LTE from AT&T, IPhone4 will mostly make it to the VZ before the spring. time.

Edit: if you are eyeing vz they just made it impossible to early qualify for a handset upgrade on a 2-year contract.

Sent from my Nero powered Vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] rockstarar:
im not eyeing anything, i am on a family plan. :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
lqaddict is right.

When all is said and done, only you know what you will use the phone for. Only you know what features are important to you. Only you can decide what you like in a screen when you look at it with your own eyes.

People here will try to convince you to get what they like. To convince you that what is important to them should also be important to you.

But in reality, that's your call.

I love my Samsung Focus. Some people would feel gimped by it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
Wow. I would personally say go to a T-Mobile store and look at your options. I like Windows OS and I have a feeling that Microsoft will update their phones because of the lack of carrier, manufacturer, marketing control.

And about the Motorola Charm, I am sorry. Motorola doesn't update their phones not named Droid often.

And this is off topic.
[HD7 General] rockstarar:
I lost my current phone if it matter?
[HD7 General] Jonno2343:
I know how you feel.

It would be pretty awful to lay out the money or lock into a contract only to hear info about a new device next week...

Would also like to know if there a re any rumours although I would be surprised if anything was released this soon. Would be a bit unfair on current WP7 users.
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
it always depands on you... how much u need a phone, and what phone you are looking at...

those models which will be launched in CES should be leaked by now...

i am using HD7 since launch and i cant be more happy with the device... i came from TP2 and i was looking for a Keyboard device, but there were none, so i got the biggest screen and it took me some time to get used to the on screen keyboard but now i am flying...

why HD7 as HTC is THE COMPANY which only makes PDA... i will looking at dell venue pro as well, however it has so many issues and its not even sold in asia...
[HD7 General] circleofomega:
It is sold in Asia, at least in India it is. BTW, I had a few questions....apart from all the GOOD things...i wanted to know if I buy it in India, will I get everything working...like the HTC Hub, the (lovely) weather tab, the (beautiful) Zune Music PLayer with the Artist pics in the background...etc...any help is appreciated...
[HD7 General] deeman:
i'd wait last thing you want to do is by hd7 only for some super ameoled dual core super w7phone to be announced:D
[HD7 General] thesecondsfade:
CES is two days away. Wait.
[HD7 General] Niiceg:
Yes, wait. Then maybe in three months or some they will release new device that was presented there and when they do, new phones will be presented. And then you will wait forever to get new phone. It's stupid to wait. World won't wait for you...
[HD7 General] brummiesteven:
This.

If you wait for CES you may aswell then wait a month for MWC

Then when something is finally released that was announced there, something else will be announced.

Then do you wait for that? Because if you do something else will be announced when that's released...
[HD7 General] alesscam:
@ OP

why opened two thread for same discussion?????

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10303180&postcount=1
[HD7 General] Dr.8820:
You could wait, but just because a phone is announced at the CES doesn't mean you can get it next week..(you say you lost your phone op :))
[HD7 General] kponti:
I believe a GalaxyS phone is coming on Tmobile soon (like the Samsung Focus on ATT). Super Amoled screen, hummingbird and thinner/lighter phone on a more realistic size (4" is better than anything bigger IMO)

If CES is in two days, well lets see if that phone is announced, ATT just dropped the Focus price to half (now $99) I am assuming to take out the fanfare associated with the other carriers bringing out their versions. ATT did screw the pooch by not advertizing the Focus at all.
[HD7 General] jimbonics:
GalaxyS has been available through TMO for some time now. It just goes by the name Vibrant.