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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pakure:
i would flash magldr to also try windows phone 7, once it is out......magldr is the only way for now to help you do that:p:D..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
This pretty much says it all for me, end of discussion, lock the thread.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Archer:
Not true mate. I still run XP and currently have Magloader on my phone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kam333:
im getting bored of seeing posts from ppl who have nothing to contribute to a thread, other than to dismiss it.

if you're not interested in the thread, move on, now thats simples. ;)

if stumble on a thread that has no value

to me

, i simply close the browser tab or hit the back button (try it).

why debate or question anything? well, info not money makes the world go round.

dont know about you guy's, but im not in favour of censorship, plus if you read the op fully you will see the key lines:

This discussion about NAND is useful to people who are undecided for whatever reason, the main reason for me is the low memory issue on eu hd2's, ive seen too many comments on the market about apps needing move2sd & some not working from the sd & surprise, surprise now a number of ppl on xda complaining about the same thing.

so until that gets sorted with a solid solution i wont be switching as im currently using around 500mb of the 1gb data.img.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MartyLK:
I agree. I, myself, have been going back aand forth over the pros and cons of NAND all day. I've finally come to the conclusion that NAND actually, for me, defeats the purpose and the joy of using alternative mobile OSs on the HD2. The one thing I seriously love about the SD arrangement is being able to quickly and easily switch to a new or different Android build. Right now I have the creme of the crop with the 3 builds in my sig. If I flash an Android ROM, I have the trouble of sticking with it till I flash another ROM. And the likelihood that the ROMs will be buggy. With a build on SD, I can do things like switch kernels to try to resolve issues. Don't know about how ROMs handle kernels.

But mainly being able to switch to a nice new build without flashing is my focus.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Sichroteph:
I totally agree with that. I have 150 applications, and I love all of them.

I tried app2sd to see wich app I can move or not, and I can't definitively reach the 200mo NAND limititation.

For now I have a Miui Sd build that is fast and smooth, stable and battery friendly. A lot better than my girfriend's Htc desire. That is why I hesitate so much, and this thread will help me a lot to take a rational decision.

Having a faster market, or a screen that light up in 0.1 seconds vs 0.3 seconds is not essential to me.

NAND android on our Hd2 is really amazing and these developers deserve to have a job in the HTC company, but for my personal use i'll pass.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] nathonix:
i have xp as well and had issues getting the flasher to work even though i was an administrator account, turns out i had to log into Administrator, and not just an admin account, then everything went smooth as butter.

also battery life! holy cow battery life.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TonyCubed:
In Windows XP, download Active Sync (I downloaded 4.5 from the MS website), install it, then updating the magldr through the RUU like you would with a Windows build, from there, you can start the phone while holding the power button to get access to the magldr boot menu, select USB flasher and Active Sync will have the drivers ready for it. And there you go! :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
you are probably right, I was in the same camp as you until I was convinced to go nand as I found out you could test different SD builds using MAG.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dung8604:
You guys who are against NAND sound like the same people who were against qwerty keyboards on phones, then against touchscreen phones. The thing is, almost everyone is faster texting using the old t9 numeric layout, but its technology and its happening. Use it if and only if you want to, but don't question other peoples decisions and preferences in the implied manner of trying to change their minds (not all of you, just some). Finally, a lot of people who question it sound like they haven't tried it yet. If this is the case, you're making an argument for something you have only heard about, and I don't need to tell you how silly that sounds.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chvvkumar:
OK, here is the deal for me:

Even though I am a geek and love shuffling around builds all day long, there comes a point when you want to settle down and have a stable phone.

For me, the issue with SD builds is, even the best builds started acting up after a week and I had to begin back from the scratch.

With NAND, I feel there is a finality to the build and it is little more involved to change builds WRT SD builds.

Also, I watch a lot of video content on my phone and with the stock 16GB card, NAND gives me better transfer rates (% sometimes 5.8MB/s) compared to WinMo's 4MB/s when using teracopy.

When copying over ~5GB to the phone, it does make a noticeable difference.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] reddog69:
nand way better

i have been flashing phones and building my own roms for a long time ,i have tryed sd builds and ram and as far as i am concerned nand is the only way to go .it is much smoother and a hell of alot more stable .just my opinion.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] iwin2000:
Is the battery life worse or better than say the Energy ROMs for WinMo? I read a lot of people say 2-3 mA standby but I don't really know what that means, does that mean it will last a whole day without charging with normal usage?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Gary.M:
Nand will be great when all the bugs are out. Maybe a month or two. Meanwhile I'm happy with my "old" but stable SD build. Enjoying watching all the kiddies provide the beta fodder.

Sent from my HTC HD2 Android
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lude219:
People just love to whine for the sake of whining. You wouldn't have the opportunity of running android on the SD card if it weren't for the devs who work tirelessly researching and finding a solution for NAND (dating back to the blackstone days). Similarly, you wouldn't be using Android at all if it weren't for the devs who feel that we should break away from the inundated WinMo. And since you seem to have everything figured out, what makes you think there's no future update to MAGLDR to have other booting options for SD and other OSes?

Seriously, two big whining threads in a 24hr period when it should be a time for celebration within the HD2 community. How do you feel about all those people who get their phone from their carrier without any knowledge of how much better their phone could've been if they had found XDA? And here you are with so much freedom of altering your phone and you don't feel any bit of excitement over this achievement? Just because there might be some less development in SD/RAM builds (which I doubt) doesn't make your phone any less accessible compare to the rest. Devs here share their kernels with other chefs, so I don't know why you would think you're being neglected.

Variety is the spice of life, and so is having the option of RAM, SD and NAND builds.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Rurph:
I think you are missing the point. No one here is against NAND or anything like that. we are all grateful to devs who have spent time on releasing NAND. the thread is in the android DISCUSSION section and it is opened to discuss the advantages/disadvantages of having a NAND build. i am sure i am not the only one who likes to do some reading before doing stuff like flashing roms and etc.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chris_ah1:
I simply think it's a good option - Magldr does not work with my SD builds however.

As for RAM build vs NAND I think it is up in the air atm.

However, signal reliability has increased with NAND, so has general stability for me and massively so with battery life - massively!!

The battery drain is just so much more reliable and does not seem to settle at a high level.

You can always install to SD card.

Also, NAND saves on SD read/writes.

However, some of the custom WM6.5.5 builds are now superb - and Android RAM is superb too.

It's really a personal choice and all arguments have been thrashed out here - if you prefer SD+RAM+WM flexibility that is fine. If you want a straight boot process without haret then go NAND. At least we now have choice.

Ultimately the biggest thing for me has been much better reception with all NAND builds tested versus SD ones. I would often get radio failure with SD/RAM builds after long periods with GPS or downloads+wifi. So far NAND has not suffered in the same way.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] darkony:
I have a sugestion to dev to make 2 in 1 or even 3 in 1 builds (nand/sd/ram all in one) an we all have choice witch one to use,

thats all if thats not a problem to them
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MartyLK:
Exactly! I'm not against NAND. The only thing that concerns me is the quality of the particular Android ROM I install. Of all the SD builds that are out, only a very few...actually about 3 so far...are worth using. The rest of them are buggy and troublesome. And even of those 3, it's more like a crapshoot for them to be fully reliable. A lot of people find fault with them when others don't. It's actually more like "luck" to have a particular build be fully workable and reliable. Now enter in flashed ROMs of all of these builds. The likelihood of flashing a buggy ROM is very high. Not to mention, there currently are no ROMs of the builds I use.

Some devs just throw out builds and ROMs like there is no tomorrow. There is even one dev putting out a flashed ROM that doesn't have working GPS or camcorder! What does **that** say to user confidence of getting a reliable and bug-free ROM? If a dev just converts buggy builds over to buggy ROMs...sheesh!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] samson_420:
Saying there is no reason to go NAND is like saying WMO was good enough, why the Robot.

It's all about because a Dev can. . . .

If you want to run it, it's all on you. . . . .

I like my SD Build. . . .For now. . . .
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TyrantTru:
My experience

Well, I was a bit reluctant to switch to NAND Android, I was using SD and WMO and its a pain to switch back and forth, sometimes losing data getting duplicate messages lots of stuff.. After dumping off WMO and using Froyo's 1/1/11 updated build...WOW ... All of the apps work perfectly now from the store, google earth, maps - EVERYTHING is lightning fast - and NO MORE WINDOWS MOBILE. No more..LAG!.... Thanks to you who have put so much time into this, You've turned this pos phone into an incredible device.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tigermaster21703:
Installing android in rom only makes this phone better. I am not going to repeat what everyone has said here, but I have no issues and running very snappy. This is how the phone should have been when it was released not with windows.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ceo4eva:
My god you guys make WM sound like the kid in middle school no one wants to play with.. I mean its not THAT bad.. just flash an energy rom customize it up to your liking. sure the apps in the market place are **** but it terms of stability its pretty decent and everything works.

As for NAND sure it'll be fun for to booting straight into android (not like it was a problem with SD cards.. hit "launch android", put it in your pocket, and go!) battery issues, lag problems, etc.

Im going to have to go along with the OP with this one because although im looking at my phone right now wondering why havnt i done this yet, looking at all the people who complain about memory space is pushing me away till further advancements have been made.. (yall remind me of the line of people waiting for the iphone 4) yeah i can use "app2sd" and other stuff i never heard about till now but remember, i didnt need to do that before so its a step back for me.

Im pretty sure something like a data.img will be incorporated specially for our needs to make things easy, first launches are never always perfect and threads like this shouldnt make devs mad, it should show them the areas that people can pull negatives out.

I think it would be amazing to get rid of SD and WM 6.5 for WP7 and NANDroid both dual bootable.. i'd never buy a new phone again.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] GreenApplez:
My reasons in wanting Nand:

I was about done with my phone. I went through such a hassle with Tmobile because of the horrid OS that WinMo was to me. It looked cool at first and ran decently for the first month but then began to bog down really quickly. I got really excited when I heard they were working on Android for it.

Once they released the boot method of Haret.exe I was very happy. Even trying one of the first releases of Cyanogen for HD2 which was very choppy and didn't work very well on my phone :P

My main gripe over the SD card builds was the fact that you had to do so much experimenting just to get it working properly. That with robo voice, other random crashes.. etc. It was always some random WinMo build and radio combination that I had to do. I just wanted it to work!

I just wanted to be able to turn on my phone, not have to click a button really fast or anything, just boot right into Android, and not have any problems worrying about battery, or my connections dropping, or knowing that WinMo was still on my phone.

I felt that the potential behind the HD2 was completely diminished by WinMo. I wanted it gone.

Edit: Also in WinMo I never liked the fact that the keyboard could never keep up with my fingers. :D

Now that I can just start my phone right into Android I am so happy. I don't have to wait a long time to download things from the market, and updating a build or changing a build is as simple as it was with WinMo ROM's. Just run this program and restart your phone.

Plus now I can use my SD card with freedom :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] heartspains88:
How stable is NAND compared to other builds? More, less, equal?

I'm currently using darkstone RAM, it's fast, and I would say 99% functional and stable.

I'm with the previous poster as far as opinion.

My main concern, is the ONLY issue i have with my current build, is proximity sensor. IE: I have to have pop up disabled on hansent or when it pops up a text and turns my screen on in my pocket i will pocket dial the person... or on calls my face can hit buttons.. etc etc.. I didnt have this problem with other builds.. but they had other issues, so i consider this the lesser of two evils... and still a better choice than winmo

The "upgrade" to NAND would be WELL worth it to me If i could maintain that functionality and potentially gain, either in the funcationlity/stability or elsewhere.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] GreenApplez:
As I'm using Mdj's Android 2.3 build, some things don't work, such as GPS, camcorder and USB to PC. But I'm okay w/ out those. The stock nexus build is great. And is very close to fully fictional if not fully functional already. I haven't had one kick up with any band build to date.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] THUDUK:
Been testing a few NAND, builds, and well done to the developers for giving us this but I am finding I am having to constantly move apps to sd if it allows, the whole system is quite a bit slower, the simplicity of changing builds on sd is far easier, battery life is marginally better if any, so I shall be going back to sd android with good ole trusty windows just in case...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dung8604:
Hmm perhaps for euro users, NAND is not the ideal choice, and I will concede that point because of the memory limitations.

However, I must say DFT lied to us when they said not to expect performance gains in NAND. These past 2 days for me have been an absolute joy with my phone, and that's going from the vanilla RAM build to a desire hd NAND build. It's simply IMO more stable, maybe only a little bit slower (honestly nothing beats darkstone's non sense RAM build in terms of speed... nothing. But this NAND ROM certainly isn't put to shame), battery IS better by a little, and reception and data connection is better (just as fast, speedtest results a 3.5 dl and 1.3 upload with less data drops). The only thing missing now is root, and I'm quite sure that will be solved, its only a matter of time.

These are my opinions from only two days of use, trying to answer as truthfully as I can, the op's question.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rasih5503:
I went to nand and tested as people said bettery life is slightly better.smoother and nice to use.BUT big disadvantage is very low storage.You can't simply move all user apps to SD such as evernotes and copilot.After few restore from titanuim back up phone says not enough space to install. The main thing I like with android is unlimited apps .Ofcause I have installed more than 50 apps.For me easy to use is SD card build beacause it has 1GB/2GB netrnal space (vitual -DATA).so I went back to SD.Until a deveopper find apps to save in SD card or create DATA to save all apps in SD with NAND for a time being I will stick with SD card buil(mDjay 4.6).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
I don't think it is fair to suggest DFt lied to us about the speed issues, they were just being cautious and didn't want to big up the NAND build to the point where it disappointed on release.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] KrewsialNL:
For me personally, the build that DFT and Cotulla released in combination with the kernel that Projection provided is a very fast and stable build. Battery life is awesome (not even comparable with SD builds) and all works without any problems.

Of course, I can only speak for myself. All I wanted was having a stable Android build on this phone and I got that after installing the DFT/Cotulla build in Nand :)

Of course, we are all 'tweakers' and like to have dual boots and keep testing constantly. If you want that, SD is the better way to go, as you can swap builds like opening cans of beer.

It's a personal thing and again for me personally, I am quite happy with Nand ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chris_ah1:
TBH whoever thought NAND would be as fast or faster than a RAM build were just being too fanciful - I must admit there are the odd slowdowns which RAM would have never had, but the difference is not staggering. It's there - but heck - we're running something we should not be able to....'nuff said.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xaccers:
I can understand why NAND is perfect for some people, it gives them an android phone without having to buy a new one.

Sure WM isn't for everyone, personally I think it's better than anything else on offer, other people think the same of WP7, android or IOS, it's their choice, and while I have no need for NAND or WP7, the more choices we have the better, one day WP7 might actually be an OK OS, so I may consider changing (no I can't say that and keep a straight face).

I've got android on SD because then I can give my WM phone access to games that it wouldn't otherwise have.

It also means if someone has a problem with their android phone at work, I can quickly flip to android and compare it with theirs.

So as long as people keep developing SD versions I'll be happy :)

Actually to be honest, not being that impressed with android, if the version I have is the last I could have or for some reason I had to remove it, it wouldn't be that great a loss, but that's a personal thing.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MartyLK:
Same here. Count me in on the WinMo love. I have no trouble with it and there are some outstanding custom ROMs of WinMo. One WinMo ROM I recently tried, CR192 DesireHD, is the most outstanding WinMo ROM I have ever seen. But the primary focus with Android is being able to play with new builds. I love being able to use an Android phone I read about that just came out...like the Nexus S, for example. With a quick switch of the card, I have a Nexus S phone.

But the main thing is being able to have the latest new phones without actually buying them. I won't ever flash an Android ROM so long as these SD builds I use remain as stable and sweet as they currently are.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jaidedfocus:
@MartyLK, try it first for a few days to see how you like it. I have to say I'm extremely impressed. I was going to wait a week while all the bugs were ironed out but I'm glad I flashed HD Topia. It's met all my expectations and I didn't have many lol. What made me happy is that I finally got ALL my exchange email accounts working. Anyway, I got a few other ROMs on back up.just in case and I really didn't need to bother.

As far as the ease of flashing the ROMs, its easy and takes less time than formatting my SD card all the time when I want to try a new build. Id say just try it for a day or so to see how you like it. It can't hurt lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MartyLK:
The problem is, I will have data drops and other issues while other people, it will work perfectly for. One example: I am using the MDJ FroYo HD build and have been having data drops and dropouts constantly. I can never rely on the data no matter where I am. However, other people, here in the US, have zero data drops or issues. That's why I won't ever flash a ROM based on anyone saying it works flawlessly. It works flawlessly for them, but not for me. Something to do with Murphy's Law, I think :(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dung8604:
I'm just messing around. They lowered our expectations then blew us away with the final product. Those bastards :-P
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cd78:
I have flashed with vista without a problem - magdlr works fine with vista.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tdizzle404:
+1 also nobody seems to care anymore about solid complete Android build for daily use.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jaidedfocus:
The only build on SD I haven't had the issue with data drops is TyTung Frg and one of Darkstones earlier builds. Because I like sense I kept switching from TyTungs build but kept going back it cause it was all around stable even tho it was stock Android. But really I haven't had any issues with data on Nand and just watched Robot Chicken tethered to my laptop for about an hr lol...so the data issue seems to be getting better.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mo0ody:
I totally agree with U..

Thanx..