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[Windows Phone 7 General] abhinayp:
Paul Thurrott from Windows Phone Secrets have revealed, well, some secrets about the upcoming Windows Phone 7 updates.

He writes that we can expect two updates this year – the first expected to be announced this week, but only pushed in February by carriers, will be called NoDo (for no donuts), will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset, a CDMA location stack, and a number of software fixes.

Of note is that the Snapdragon-based Qualcomm 7×30 chipset comes with HDMI output and the ability to play back 720p video on both its host device and a HDTV. It also supports Flash 10.1.

The next Mango, will come some time later in the year, and bring Internet Explorer 9 with with the Trident 5 rendering engine, HTML 5 and Silverlight, and gesture support. This 75xx (actually version 7.2) update will apparently bring additional, unrelated features as well.

Paul also mentions that Microsoft does not intend to push a number of small updates, but only a few large updates per year, which should mean long waits between each one.

Source:

wpcentral.com/thurrott-details-2011-wp7-updates-mango-and-nodo-as-no-donuts

wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-updates-nodo-and-mango-coming/
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
I still believe that we'll see at least 3 updates in the year. 2 small ones and one large one.

Carriers could hold up and update for 1 cycle. That "advantage" would seem close to useless if the cycles could be almost a year apart.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ren13B:
You misspoke when you said updates are pushed out by carriers. Updates are released by Microsoft but tested by carriers before officially released.

From the article:

Thurrott reports that NoDo will RTM in January, with consumers seeing the update in the early February timeframe, after testing by carriers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
I don't think it would be logistically feasible to push tons of updates and bug fixes as they come up, instead of cumulative updates.

The carriers have to certify them, and I'm sure that they have to be given a certain amount of time to do so.

Though I would like to see an aggressive update schedule. Maybe one every 3 months.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
actually he said that there will be more small updates between now and mango.

Though mango sounds like a great update (IE9 with full silverlight and html 5)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
The fact that "Mango" is being labeled as the "Entertainment Branch" makes me wonder about what the "Business Branch" is.

I think it's safe to assume that there is a Business Branch. So I wonder what priority is given to it. Will it come before or after Mango? Will it be released concurrently? What types of updates would fall under "Business Branch"?
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
I would say letting carriers in "testing" the update is a bad move on Microsoft's part. If it is anything like Palm, a carrier will push the update rather quickly (Sprint), while the other carriers will release it much latter (one month or more) and only because customers were getting pissed (AT&T and Verizon).
[Windows Phone 7 General] poedgirl:
As it was said above, the carriers don't push the updates. When MS released WP7 they said all devices would get updates at the same time, regardless of device or carrier.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
The proclamations of imminent failure are rather humorous. It shows 2 main things to me.

1. Some people have very short attention spans, and can't fathom the idea of a "long term plan"

2. Some people think that every other consumer wants the same thing that they do

Microsoft is in this for the long haul. The fact that they have stated that they don't expect to be in a position to beat the major players for at least a few years shows that they are looking at this as a long term investment.

There is a large portion of the mobile phone using market that hasn't upgraded to using a smart phone yet. Many people are happy with their regular phones because they feel that they don't need the features of a smart phone. However, every year, more and more of this very large market slowly moves over into the smartphone arena. These are people who want something that is slick, easy to use, and interesting. They don't need every feature under the sun. These are the kind of people that made the first iPhone such a success even though it severely lacked features compared to Windows Mobile. These are the people that the "Really?" commercials are targeted towards. People who haven't already jumped on the smartphone bandwagon because it just all seems like "too much."

The fact that MS is planning major upgrades to WP7 at all is awesome. It shows that while they are going for the casual feature phone user, they also want to get smartphone users as well. And the fact that they're doing it so quickly is even more awesome. After all, how long has the phone been out now? 2 months? 3 months by the time of the first update? Not too shabby.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I clicked on some of these articles and some were from March, September, and right around the time of launch. Seriously?
[Windows Phone 7 General] abhinayp:
From the article: will bring support for the Qualcomm 7×30 smart phone chipset

Is this a support for any new hardware that might come in future wp7 phones or do the existing wp7 phones support this?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
It's supposed to be current generation hardware that has that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
The MSM7x30 is a second generation snapdragon that has improved GPU (as used in the T-Mobile G2). Though, based on the wiki this is 800 MHz. Guess we'll have to wait for the actual details.

All current WP7 phones use the QSD8250, so this won't benefit existing phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
With that being said, can't Microsoft themselves push the update as early as next week? The first update seems really minor.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
If the features were ready at launch or around launch, they would have been released. We don't have the functionality because it's not ready. It is no more complicated than that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
CDMA support
[Windows Phone 7 General] Zedox:
So MS can't do that because they feel (and they do) that they have a good competitive product?

The thing with articles is because they influence public outlook on stuff (for the most part). How many claimed WP7 was gonna fail because KIN was discontinued? Articles nowadays are usually biased toward or for a certain platform and hardly treated as fact. It's always an opinion of some person.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
I think you missed my point that a very large percentage of potential customers aren't interested in a list of "features" that could be checked off.

Many people who are transitioning from feature phone to smart phone just want the transition to be nice and painless.

You're looking at things from the perspective of a veteran smartphone user. And most people aren't.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I disagree that the mango update is an issue. It's not like android where half the devices are still on 2.1 with 2.2 released months ago and 2.3 just released.

Updates will be across all phones, yes it will take time to get them, but what OS gets releases out fast?
[Windows Phone 7 General] GuestK00306:
Only thing on this thread that hasn't made me cringe with "WTF?!", so thanks for that.

Did anybody really expect HTML5, Silverlight, Copy & Paste, Multitasking within 2 months of release and bug-free?? That's impossible. They've only been working on the entire OS for just over a year ffs. I'm amazed we're even using WM7 right now, let alone getting ANY sort of an update within a few weeks.

People on this thread just sound like this is their first early adoptation of a phone. Welcome to the gadget world, friends.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jabbypants:
Best phone I have owned so far is my Omnia 7 this is coming from Milestone/ Desire/Galaxy S/ Desire HD /Iphone 4. This OS oozes quality and everyone that I show it too be them Android or IOS users say how much better it looks and is silky smooth compared to them all.

Its pretty much the best out of the box experience I have had bar the Iphone 4, there is certainly nothing on Android that comes that good out of the box imo, I look forward to the updates.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
The features that I'm hoping for are the ability to MMS or email video, and maybe some custom ringtones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
I dont think they will have MMS in this update..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
I don't think so either.

It's just something I would like. Heck, I don't even care about MMS. Video through email would be fine. Or video uploading to SkyDrive. Or any way to share video from the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
So....when is the update coming to allow this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBUQofKln_c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Something that was highly talked about and had me personally hyped before the WP7 launch.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hassler:
CES has started, this morning I checked the update part in my Mozart, still no go

wondering when they will announce it :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
To the point where it would work on every single device? Probably the update called WP8, with new minimum system requirements. :)

Though, for now, The Harvest still isn't too shabby.

Otherwise, games like that will be possible when more powerful hardware is released. Maybe in as little as a few months from now.

Though I'm not sure if a developer would want to actually make it though. Devs tend to want to stick to games that can be played by as many people as possible. So the tendency will be to stick to the minimum system requirements.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
MS conference starts at 6:30pm PST.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Think all we really need is sockets, which needs to happen sooner rather than later.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
What is preventing that from happening outside of the lack of a socket api? That game doesn't even look that good on the phone in that video -_-
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
Good for you.

But then, I guess that game isn't as impressive as I thought. You can't really see the phone screen very well in the video. And the guy speaking made it seem like it required a Tegra2 to run.

It didn't look much different than The Harvest graphically. Maybe you should post a vid of the game running on your phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Microsoft is preventing it. They haven't even allowed use of the Unreal Gaming engine. Not to mention multi- player isn't supported on WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hassler:
hahah

Silly me :)

it is 1 day more to go then (for my location is at +7 GMT)
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
It's in ~20 minutes :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
so let me first ask a mod to clean this thread :mad:

the thread name is:

Few details abt 2011 WP7​

So stop trolling !!!

talk about the updates and not how bad or good the os/phones is/are !!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] comeradealexi:
yay :D http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/microsoft-reveals-windows-phone-7-update-features
[Windows Phone 7 General] FromOuterSpace:
Can't wait.

microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/january-update.aspx
[Windows Phone 7 General] abhinayp:
lol yes.. all it says is copy/paste n performance
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Done!

Thread cleaned.

Thread was 14 pages, went to 4 pages.

Sorry for the delay in cleaning.

I thought everyone here knew how to read the topic and follow its subject!
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeken:
So the main highlight of this much anticipate update is Copy and Paste? :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
In general:

*copy/paste

*speed optimizations for apps and games

*improved marketplace search

Updates are also expected on a regular "cycle".

With the NoDo update coming 3 months after launch, if that pattern is kept, we should see 4 updates a year.

The Mango update is rumored for the Fall, and is supposed to be huge. I am going to assume the other three aren't going to be huge, but instead, small incremental improvements.
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeken:
Yes, I was aware of the other 2 updates, but at these rate of updates I have a feeling that MS will miss the boat. This is not a PC OS, this is a phone and the lifespan is a lot shorter. They need to roll out these updates as soon as possible. The Mango update is waaaayyyy too long in the future to anticipate. By Fall of this year new phones will be out, the snapdragon processor will seem ancient and google will be unveiling Android 3.

It just seems like MS is dragging their feet with these updates.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
I disagree. They're not targeting power users. They're targeting casual users.

The same type of people that are satisfied with the same iPhone hardware for 2 yrs, and at that point still wouldn't trade their iPhone for the latest and greatest Android phone.

People that value ease of use over having all the latest and greatest features.

MS is moving as fast as they could. They're even hiring a lot in their mobile unit right now.

They won't win over the tinkerer crowd any time soon. But the casuals have a far different mindset. They think tinkerers are kind of weird.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thegreenmachine:
I think what most people fail to realize that is Microsoft is not trying to enter the market as another "Android" OS. They could careless about open source and custom Roms. What they are after is Apple and they are trying to attack the already crowded market with simplicity. Trust me, if MS wanted to create an open source OS like Android, they would have. They have the means and bank roll to do so.
[Windows Phone 7 General] comeradealexi:
microsoft have changed the url of the update page from january update to

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
just to let you know Android 3 is not for the Phones only tablets...

all i see is spaculations here.. mango update will be big... and 4 updates per year... and we have not seen even one yet...
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
This is the type of users who is buying Android, the most successful OS in terms of numbers. And yes, huge amount of them are using the features which are "powerusers" territory, like USB drive etc.

So completely missed point here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Yakkaimono:
This definitely indicates that the update is not coming in january.:(
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
I am a big fan of WP7 (see any of my posts on the subject) but I do think that MS need to up the ante on their update schedule. When I speak with my non geeky friends about smartphones the things they want are the things WP7 still does not have but the competition do, namely skype (or similar), turn by turn nav with spoken directions (this is a big one) and flash/ html5. When I show them my phone, they all love the UI and the speed/ fluidity but they question the missing features. As has been said a million times on these forums, MS need to make these disincentives to purchase go away sooner rather than later. Updates in the Fall are just too late, the platform will have lost all traction in the market by then.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
It doesn't mean they are smart enough to do it. It's clearly apparent they lack the wisdom to produce a winner. I and a great many others have lost all interest and enthusiasm in the system. It's a moot point to argue or debate a lost cause like WP7.

On to another system....
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Anyone know when WP7 and Zune will be compatible? Like if it works on iPod then it works on iphone. Same OS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] pjcforpres:
One interesting tid-bit I saw re-reading the CES keynote article was the Balmer said they are planning multiple updates over the coming months to get WP7 feature set up to speed with other OSs...

"Over the next few months, we will be releasing a series of updates that will automatically be pushed out to our customers, and we'll boost several improvements," he said. "The two most noticeable for Windows Phone users is the addition of copy and paste, and significant performance improvements when loading or switching between applications."

He highlights the two specific improvements that we know are coming with the first update due to release soon... but it sounds a lot like they are planning more updates in a bit of a rapid succession than just that. Maybe we will see updates one a month for the next couple months? Wouldn't that be dandy!
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
And the key words are:

"The two most noticeable for Windows Phone users is the addition of copy and paste, and significant performance improvements when loading or switching between applications."

That, to me, sound like the extent of the features the updates will bring.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Bing on windows mobile has free voice nav.

Microsoft should have held off until trivial consumer features were done: voice nav, a real live messenger, a real youtube app (for all phones), skydrive integration, etc.

This rush job will do them more harm than good, and they should have launched with srivers for second gen snapdragons as well.

Doesn't even look like thay're fixing the camera app to retain settings between each use.

Better way to upgrade phones loses its advantage if the updates are anticlimatic, and fail to address obvious issues.

The only advantage of wp7 over wm6.5.x is a better user interface and support for more modern hardware (ms seems to be writing drivers as they go along).

Cant say performance, since no one knows how the os will perform with third party multitasking and they're using this time to make adjustments which should have been made before it was RTM'd.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
i agree with u on all your points...

anyway all of the WP7 users bought the devices knowing that we will not get some featuers from the start and only will have the updates in jan or feb 2011..

and its better to update over few months rather then rush the update and screw up..

and i have not missed the cut and paste till today; however i will like to have the multitasking soon as some time its annoying...
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
New clean!

It is possible, only adults who can read the topic of the thread, posting here?

It is not about Android, not iPhone, and not others ....
[Windows Phone 7 General] tbk21:
I found a video of the speed improvement. Keep in mind these are developer phone's which are already slower than the finished phones. So the update will make our games load even faster!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
I liked this video:

[YOUTUBE]2mktWd0-WGs[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] janepen:
I wonder what determines the upgrade information through Kies?

for example, my phone is from UK orange and locked orignially. The production code is i9000HKDORA. Original firmware: BVJM5/BVJM1/ORAJM3

Does Kies only search the firmware based on the production code only? or need other information together, such as current firmware information?

My current firmware is: XXJF1/XXJF1/XAJF1. I cannot upgrade through Kies although Orange announced the new firmware is available through Kies.

Thanks,
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
product code = goes to the correct server for Orange

Current firmware code decides upgrade or not .

Both need to orange codes to upgrade .

jje
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blubxd:
Well, the upgrade exists for austria/3 now, but I cannot upgrade...

My product code was HKDDBT originally, and even if I change it (nv_data.bin) to the "correct" one - HKDDRE, and have the same firmware version as my dad (who was able to update), it won't let me upgrade...

So, we've called the service center and they said they have no idea, but I can bring in my phone and they'll update it...

So... I guess they do it randomly...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] janepen:
I have no original uk orange firmware as I have flashed to JPO. Do you mean I cannot upgrade due to this issue?

Could you please share the original uk orange firmware to me? Thank you in advance
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
I am not an Orange user and have no Orange firmware .

If you have flashed to unofficial non Orange firmware you need to downgrade the phone via ODIN to Eclair then try to update to latest Orange firmware via KIES firmware update .

jje
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
It looks for the Orange product code then the Firmware version .

eg Product Code xxxxO2UK Firmware xxxJF1O2UK

The server picks that as O2 UK phone and O2 out date firmware and upgrades .

One of those codes wrong and it wont proceed .

jje
[Vibrant General] jblizzard888:
Hey just thought I'd share this incase there is anyone out there like me who really likes the circle battery indicator but also really liked the 5 bar signal indicator aswell...all I did was pull the

Circle bat from Frankencat here:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=684

and replace the battery icons from jjohns63 in here:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=687

all credit goes to them for their work, all I did was swap the one for the other.

http://bit.ly/hoVyMi

Flash with CWR...or Rom Manger

I've only tested this with Nero v3 (by team whiskey)

But I've been told that it works with v4
[Vibrant General] bauerlucas:
Im flashing now. Kinda wish you said flash this so I would be more comfortable about it
[Vibrant General] jblizzard888:
Sorry... yes flash with cwr...fixed in OP too
[Vibrant General] bauerlucas:
Yup
[Vibrant General] bauerlucas:
It works nice Iv had it about two days looks nice u don't know why its not stock. Samsung fed up.
[Vibrant General] jblizzard888:
Ok so I dont have a lot of time to redo the colors but I've had several requests for the colors to be tweaked (the blue to be more inline with the Nero remix blue) or the Green

any votes on specific colors?

I'm not making any promises but depending on what people want I'll see what I can do
[Vibrant General] jblizzard888:
wow so no opinions on colors eh?
[Vibrant General] dverrette:
I have Nero v3 aswell and I was hoping to find a smooth all blue circular battery. Is this close to what your developing?
[Vibrant General] avogl:
Can this be used on Nero v4.1?
[Vibrant General] jblizzard888:
This is a segmented circle battery with differing colors depending on battery and battery % displayed in the middle of the battery. also it changes the 4 signal bar to a 5 signal bar
[Vibrant General] r6kid:
Id love a green setup if you could :-)
[Vibrant General] jblizzard888:
Working on this, but in the middle of moving so haven't had much time

OP updated with Screen Shot
[Vibrant General] jblizzard888:
btw quick update this does with with bionix v1.2
[Vibrant General] Ozam:
This is a great mod which which works just fine with TW Bionix V 1.2. I wonder why Team Whiskey or the creator of Slightly Better Gingerbread (SBG) do not incorporate this battery mod as it is infinitely more readable?

Are there any reports of unreliability?
[Vibrant General] jblizzard888:
I've had no reports of Unreliability.

I do want to mention though that if you do use it on Bionix V1.2 it will revert the "H" icon back to "3g"
[Vibrant General] jblizzard888:
Warning I have serious suspicions that this will NOT work with Bionix 1.2.1 (due to the new Lock screen/changes to the Framwork.res)

I've been working on this but things are still crazy busy...and I've needed to spend more time with the family.
[Vibrant General] TricH:
Sorry, but shouldn't this thread be in themes and apps?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Vaizard84:
Non-Nand builds were easy to change the framework, but on Nand i am lost, especially with the sense builds. Could you guys give me some ways as to go about updating the frameworks?