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[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Really? The Xbox hasn't sold at a loss for at least 14 months now.

Wrong. They make money by selling more licenses for the operating system, the OEMs make money from selling more phones. I would be very surprised to find that the majority of WP7 revenue comes from OS licensing though - more likely the majority of revenue comes from the marketplace, developer registrations and in-app/in-game advertising. It wouldn't surprise me however, to learn that Microsoft are currently selling WP7 licenses at a loss - that's how business works. You throw a bunch of money at something in the hopes that it will break even and finally make a profit in the future. This is basic business 101.

So you are seriously suggesting that delivering dual-core phones during MWC would be beneficial to the platform? I'll bet you a years salary that doing so would completely kill the platform.

That's not to say they should not be working on supporting other chipsets, of course they should, but it should be targeted at a major upgrade closer to 12 months after launch. Possibly earlier as they could compete directly against the iPhone and the people who are currently locked into their contracts based on Apples release cycle.

This proves that you do not understand the industry. Yes, people like you and me get bored with their gadgets after a few months (heck, after a few weeks in some cases) - we are not the average consumer though. The average consumer purchases their phone on-contract directly from whatever carrier they use. Because of this they are locked to that phone for, generally, 12-24 months. The majority of those people will not go out and purchase a new handset until their contract is up. Average consumers are the target audience for Windows Phone 7.

Why the hostility? Your logic is flawed. If there were WP7 devices released today with a dual-core processor, do you really think developers would not utilize this extra power? If so, then why bother releasing them in the first place? If they do, we're back to fragmentation where a game developed on a dual-core phone would be unplayable on any of the launch devices.

If anything, you're the one with a learning disability here. You talked about going for perhaps an iPhone or Android if WP7 does not come out with higher-spec hardware during MWC. You do realize that the iPhone is updated once a year right? Why is that okay, but it's completely bonkers for Microsoft to do the same? As for even comparing Android to WP7 or iOS, well, I'm lost for words. Android is nowhere near as fluid as WP7/iOS, not to mention that people (i.e. consumers, i.e. people like your mom) do not buy Android phones, they buy a Sense phone or a touchwiz phone or whatever UX layer phone the OEM has provided on-top of Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
If Microsoft really wants to succeed, they should be looking to provide customers with the best of both worlds. The software quality and consistency of the iPhone and the hardware of Android. Microsoft controls the support for all of the different SoC, I'd hope they stay up to date with whatever Qualcomm releases.

Apple can get away with releasing 1 new spec a year, they are Apple :P Besides, that one phone they release per year is top of the line (the hardware in WP7 phones was already dated when it was released). Even then its annoying that you have to wait a year for HSPA+ or LTE.
[Windows Phone 7 General] makoute:
If MS does this, then they would lose a lot of customer, me being one. With all the phones coming out with dual core this year, MS has little choice but to go that route, even the iPhone is going that route.
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
emigrating,

One last time, all you posted so far is being selfish - you don't want any app out that makes your phone outdated and left out.

I see WP7 has two things that has the potentials for it right now:

1. Business oriented. With its matural exchange sync and PIM capability coupled with Office Mobile. Android is way behind in this area and iOS is catching up with the help from MS.

2. Gaming. XNA based games are a big potential win for MS. But that requires latest and greatest hardware in order to do so. iOS has the lead right now. Android is catching up with new graphic layer update (OpenGL support).

Medicoracy will not win in the fast moving Smartphone business. I thought Microsoft learnt that lesson with WM. And LG learnt that lesson with its WP7 launch devices. And RIM certainly is in the deep **** right now for the same reason.

I give Microsoft a benefit of doubt to see if it is really 100% backing this 'new' platform this time. If not, I will simply move on. Most app developers will do the same. A year or two later, your phone will still run OS 1.xx and app market will slowly die just like WM6.5 app market. Remember that? And remember the short lived Kin phones? That's what happens when Microsoft didn't put 100% backing on a new platform.

Microsoft is not Apple. It never will be. Apple has the followers that will buy whatever Apple releases, nothing else. And even Apple needs to release top of line hardware every year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Yes, I am all for getting high-end devices running WP7, but not four months after launch, and that's what we were discussing here - will there be new handsets released at MWC. My answer to that is; "I bloody well hope not".

Like I said, I'm fine with them (no, I hope they are) announcing them at MWC, but an actual release should be closer to 12 months after OS launch, or possibly closer to the iPhone 5 release.

I have done my fair bit (and then some) of complaining about the current WP7 hardware, but if they want the platform to succeed they need to stick to the path they've chosen - unfortunately they chose "low-end" SoC's, but okay, that's what they decided on. Obviously I would love for them to chose a somewhat more powerful chip for the next generation as I still feel the current processor is not up to the task of playback and recording of 720p video. The OS can be as smooth as silk, but when they can't encode video without glitches they've gone for underpowered hardware.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Yeah, I'm only talking announcements. I wouldn't expect to see anything on shelves for a few months after the announcements. Most of the Android phones announced at CES aren't hitting until Q2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Niiceg:
I want them not to release nothing new in MWC, why? Because WP7 is perfect on devices that we have now. MS will take it's time to make that even better, when second batch will come. Other processors and etc. Well, we see many Android devices, they are full of bugs and etc. Those Dual-Cores are not needed for Android, it's graphics are slow and etc. They need to release an update to Android, then release new phones, so the SW would be optimized and speeded. Because now I don't see any difference between Dual and not Dual processors, Android devices works the same... Well, maybe a second faster browser loading.. Wow... Dual Core means you have to make Software that would run speedy with it, optimize it. And Android isn't doing it now, they are just releasing new stuff, that probably won't get new updates, because of Android fragmentation and etc. They are not ready for dual core processors and stuff like that. Also, if you optimize whole platform for new processors, you will get much more speed. And Android's scrolling in menu, browser and etc. should be improved, it's laggy now compared to WP7

Talking about MS, I hope they will release some devices in Summer or Autumn, that would be perfect time, these devices will be a little old, updates will come out and etc. So making devices speedier will be good, but that needs updates. I hope I didn't talk too much bs here and my minds are right ;D MS needs to focus on updates now, update these phones, get the most of them and then release new ones, that will have some improvements
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Its amazing how little people know. Yet they talk as if they do. Dual cores are also more power efficient.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Especially when compared to the current QSD8x50 chips which are still 65nm, something that was old school even in 2008.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
I think this year, we're headed for some game changing:

iPhone 5 - Dual core and who knows what other (well implemented) enhancements?

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iPhone on CDMA - the lack of this was beneficial to Android. It's inevitable that iPhone is going to gain huge marketshare from this.

Android copyright lawsuit - I wonder if this is going to cause further fragmentation or affect their market?

WP7 needs more devices like DVP. As someone said earlier, these mediocre WP7 devices on the market now are going to kill the platform. There needs to be a gold-standard WP7 device along with a raising of the minimum specs EVERY YEAR.

I want WP7 to be high-end, not a budget iPhone alternative.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tfouto:
"There needs to be a gold-standard WP7 device along with a raising of the minimum specs EVERY YEAR."

I dont agree. At least partialy. MS has to release low-specs phone, or at least in a year or two keep relasing 'low-end' similar to 1gen at half of price of now and high-end specs phone. Look at Android, there's a really huge market on cheap low-budget phones. It has to embrace an low-specs and a high quality phone specs.

I think that 8 months cycle its not bad for the new high-specs...
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Actually, according to surveys and statistics the lower-end, el cheapo, phones isn't what's interesting to the majority of consumers. You would think it was, but apparently not so.

And yeah, I agree with WhyBe - they need to step up their game and bring us something really awesome, in line with the rest of the industry. I just don't want them to do it quite yet. But obviously we are going to need 1080p video, 8MB GOOD quality cameras, FFCs and all that jazz by the end of the year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
MS has an image problem right now. The only thing that is going to rescue them in the smartphone market is to TOP the iPhone technology. They're on the right track with the OS and the ecosystem, but they are seriously lacking in the hardware department (the hardware partners are too cautious or lazy). Even if they had someone like Sony Ericsson design them a signature high-end phone, I would be game for that (not on SE's schedule though :D ;) )

With MS's current image, the last thing they need to do is tackle the cheaper lower-end market (hello Kin!). They are in a position where they really need to excel and impress ON ALL FRONTS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
I think FFC should die. It didn't work before and not to mention that we still have laptops. I think they should only be on tablets just because it seems appropriate.

Maybe a manufacturer should take the censor from a camera brand such as Canon, Nikon or Olympus. Sony did it with the Xperia Arc (sensor from Cybershot) and I think that it might be up there next to the N8 (N8 might be better because it has a Carl Zeiss lens). Now which manufacturer is willing to step up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
The more important question is will their be any 'new' phone? Or will they all be the same bricks with different company logo..?
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
Samsung will release a 4g phone, possible due to the recent full driver support for the 2nd generation snapdragon. That is all I have heard in terms of being different from the current batch.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
If MS releases a new phone too early with better hardware specs ie new gen snapdragons, early adopters would be out of luck and maybe mad. I know i would..
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
It didn't work, or rather, take off before because in the beginning you could only video call people on the same carrier as yourself. When they overcame this problem the cost was prohibitive as a video call would cost you ten times what a normal voice call did. Once the cost came down to a realistic level it was too late, people had decided videocalling was a crappy idea.

Now though, people use the FFC for video chat. Costs nothing, you can connect to people all over the world, people who don't need a smartphone as they can have a computer with webcam or even an Xbox with Kinect. I truly believe FFC's and videochat will be the next big thing on smartphones, just like it already is (and has been for some time) on actual computers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] citrix80:
new phone will be introduced in WMC in feb 2011. we will see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Why should anyone care? They've already bought the phone and it will still work no matter how obsolete it is. I don't think mad people are a factor at all. First and foremost, MS needs to gain marketshare and they can only do that by bringing amazement on the level of Apple.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] thehyecircus:
:-) is the Android Smiley. I rarely, if ever, see it.

I, and everyone I know, skip the nose part. But I'd like them to show up as the Android image smiley. Is there some magic for this?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] tomj777:
Try Handcent SMS

Smiles as standard and oh so configurable. It's on the market.

You will never go back (although there are a couple of other good message applications).
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] dEris:
My ChompSMS does.

[ Sent from my Huawei Ascend | MyAscend.org ]
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] tomj777:
Darned if I could think of the name of your ChompSMS whilst awaiting kids... the other one that eluded me was GoSMS (or similar)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] thehyecircus:
When I first got Android, I was going to switch to Handcent, but some Market Reviews scared me away. Do I need to be worried about them?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] tomj777:
I've not seen any problems... don't use it to backup / restore, mind you (i use SMS Backup + for that). Try both Handcent and ChompSMS and see which you prefer.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] thehyecircus:
Does SMSRestore save text messages inbetween flashes?
[General Topics] EyeAndroid:
I'll Start.

A 4.3 inch screen

Super amoled display

Made by HTC

Runs stock android 2.3

Front facing camera

Rear camera w flash 8.0 mpx

Compatible with Tmobile 4g

Kickstand

Surround sound (like hd7)

Dual core processor 1.2 ghz

All of which makes me wonder, what is htc's new mystery device on their home page?
[General Topics] Rixsta:
Lets hope its better than there last effort aka Desire HD...
[General Topics] xanaviarai:
Agree, till then ill use my hd2.
[General Topics] EyeAndroid:
And What's funny is the fact that all of this technology already exists. Its just a matter of getting it altogether in the same device.
[General Topics] orb3000:
Leo!

My dream device would be the one who is capable of running WM.Android and WP7 to my like;)

Why have only 1 OS if you can have 3!
[G Tablet General] renau:
I have tried several apps with multitouch (Phone Tester, android-multitouch-controller...), all of them show that the gtablet has a maximum of 2 touch points in the gtablet.

I am using the Vegan-tab 5.1, anyone has better results? Is it a hardware or a software limitation?
[G Tablet General] pmcnano:
Dont know if its a hardware limitation, but as I posted in another thread before, this is "normal" imo. I have tested a Droid, Droid Inc, Evo, and the Gpad. Every device else Evo, has 2 finger detection. Evo has 5.

Cheers
[G Tablet General] theebest:
Htc G2 has 4 finger detection just fyi
[G Tablet General] xBANGx:
Wrong section I would think.. :)
[G Tablet General] yamaha83:
not if its a software limitation and there is opportunity for development... ;)
[G Tablet General] rcgabriel:
I've already looked into this in the kernel source code, if that's what you're asking.

It's hard to know for certain, but it appears to be a limitation of the microcontroller code for the touchscreen subsystem, based on the at168 driver code. The raw capacitive sensor readouts are done by this microcontroller, translated into up to two sets of X and Y coordinates, and read in by the driver.

There is some unused data in there - the driver is relatively simple, and we could try debug dumping out everything it can read from the Atmel chip, and see if some of that unused data could prove useful, but I am skeptical that we'd have any luck without re-programming the Atmel. That requires a microcontroller person to figure out, not me. :)
[G Tablet General] myndwire:
Evo has either 3 or 5, depending on the touch controller revision (literally 4 characters of hex). I got pwned when I traded in my faulty 002/Nova/.76hboot for my new 003/Nova/2.02hboot... LAME.

Anyway, toastcfh did a thread on it back when they were first figuring the evo out.
[G Tablet General] renau:
mmm. Interesting. The kernel has the option to load new firmware to the atmel chip. These are fairly easy to program, the problem is that we do now have the original code.

Did anyone find specs about the display? If this at164 chip just does the touch display, it may be possible to recreate the firmware if we have the hardware specs.

It may be interesting project,
[G Tablet General] renau:
The at164 kernel code only handles 2 touches, but if you see the driver capabilities (AT168_Capabilities), it sets the handler to 2 fingers *MaxNumberOfCoorReported". This value is written to th nvram that the AT168 reads.

Did anyone tried to change this value? (Something like 4)

The AT128 I2C registers may change when the NVRAM changes. If I were the designer I would have read the capability, and added as may AT168_X/Y pos as necessary. This will shift the registers, but it may be interesting to check.
[G Tablet General] 1mp4c:
I have the 002 Evo model and I only have 2 touch points. I would love to have more for certain apps that use more. Is there a fix for this? I've seen many people say that their Evo has 4 or 5 points. Is there a way to update to a newer version?
[G Tablet General] Theoriginalgiga:
So I've been doing research on the Gtab on this issue because although it's a great device, I really want something that can do more than 2 inputs. so far what I've found is that the touch sensor in this device is the tango S32 controller shown by this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10062618&postcount=134

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/149/digitizerx.jpg

I found the companies main website and found some interesting facts about the chip. Firstly they don't have a number of touch points listed and it also says the max screen size the chip handles is 5" (maybe this is compensated because the gtab has 2 S32 chips).

http://www.pixcir.com.cn/e-product.asp?classId=2

http://donar.messe.de/exhibitor/007...1/links/20090226153411-DS TANGO-S32 Brief.pdf

All the videos I've seen concerning the s32 chip have only shown 2 touch points and knowing that there are plenty of android devices on 2.2/2.3 that support more than 2 points I believe I've come to the conclusion that the Gtab is limited to 2 points at a hardware level.

Anyone want to confirm or deny?
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] chib1panda:
i am looking for a mod just like the one from nero 3 where the power button gives all the reboot option. already saw the fascinate and xperia threads but dont really give much info that i need or want to risk since they are ports for those phones. Can someone lead me to the link for a flashable zip to add this to my rom. running jl5 + voodoo.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brian leach:
Is there a way to syncronise the time on my HTC HD7. I notice it regularly loses a couple of minutes each day.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jim Coleman:
In Settings, Date & Time, make sure you've got "Set Automatically" switched on.

This should keep your phone's clock in sync with Internet Time servers.

If it doesn't work, then there's either a bug, or the time servers can't be contacted for some reason.

But AFAIK there is no other way to sync the time.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brian leach:
Thanks for the response. It is already set that way. perhaps an app will appear in due course.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jim Coleman:
I very much doubt it! For a start, as I understand it, apps can read the system time on the phone but they do not have the privilege to change it.

I may be wrong on that, but then you've got the fact that WP7 already does time synchronization, even if it doesn't seem to be working for you at the moment.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brian leach:
Looks like I shall just have to correct it manually periodically.

Still like the phone and wp 7 even with a few foibles.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Purple11:
Maybe a Microsoft update can fix it.. does Microsoft even know that their clock is faulty and needs manually fixing?
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gyuritzy:
I don't have such a switch in date and time...

there is just a switch to make the time show 12 or 24 hour...

a selection field for time zone, selection field for time, selection field for date

No automatic update switch.

I have a HTC mozart, and I also noticed a slight delay (if I don't connect to the computer, but if I connect to computer then it seems OK...). BTW shouldn't work this automatic update also through Wlan?!?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] lilk1d777:
1. You can change to newer Kernel 2.6.32 or

2. You can change to older wlan.ko (compiled for 2.6.25)

how do i go about doing either of these things? if someone can link me or provide me with some simple step by step instructions that would be great. ive searched around and been waiting but i cant find n e thing that i understand easily
[Touch CDMA Android Development] damaph:
The HTC Vogue does not have wifi.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] l1q1d:
Use one of the latest nbh (2.6.25 or 2.6.32) released by me and the update.

Haret users please stop using dzo initrd to solve the problem, use the updated version.

read this post for more info
[Blade Accessories] netimes.com:
We have managed to get an Orange San Francisco just now and would like to know if there will be enough demand for making

1. Clear screen protector

2. Matte screen protector

3. Mirrored screen protector

Of course it will be perfectly fitting the entire glass area including the frame of the screen (but leaving the ear piece empty).

If there are more than 20 replies (please specify the type you're interested) then we will bring it to the factory for measurements.

Cheers

neTimes.com
[Blade Accessories] webatrain:
Registering my interest. However, I have a i900 protector on my SF which I'm happy with. Can I suggest that you make a version of the OSF screen protector that "blacks out" the San Francisco branding above the screen? IMO that's the only thing ruining the cool of this device ;)
[Blade Accessories] harmohn:
+1 for the black out idea!
[Blade Accessories] olyloh6696:
i use a custom cut invisible shield. £8.99 for two. works brilliant.
[Blade Accessories] veehexx:
interest here; i'll post on modaco as i know there are plenty of threads asking for such item..
[Blade Accessories] lordofangels:
I'd go for either the clear or matte
[Blade Accessories] That-Guy:
Interested here too, Mirror ones could be interesting to try :)
[Blade Accessories] nonamer:
Oh i have a savvies on my blade :) And like it ^^ But yes, make a few ^^ The more the better
[Blade Accessories] HMZX:
Definitely

+1 Love the idea to cover 'san francisco'

plz make on like that!
[Blade Accessories] Adam86:
I bought these the other wee kfor my San Fran and they fit a treat:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270679639682&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Highly recommend.
[Blade Accessories] koalauk:
clear or mat
[Blade Accessories] kodbel:
matt with branding blacked out
[Blade Accessories] mrhurn:
+2 (my wife has one too) for matte with branding blacked out