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[Droid Incredible Accessories] nrvous1:
Have to second this... I'm using the Trident Kraken and I think its a great case for the price. It does attract a lot of lint though and is sometimes hard to get out of my pocket. I like the added bulk that it gives to the inc aswell, makes the phone much easier to handle for me.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] c_live_lee:
I can vouch for the belt clip breaking off. Had mine maybe two weeks before it snapped at work. But as for the rugged case itself, I love it and have never regretted buying it for a second. Excellent product.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] nelms:
my clip lasted me since sept 2010. caught it on a door frame.. oh well. contacted seidio and another is on the way.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] joshjunior:
+1

i only use the xtra layers when i go to the field for a field op or i'm out 4wheelin
[Droid Incredible Accessories] blockhead42:
Just got in my Kraken, and its great. However, I agree its a lint monster. Also the notification bar is really difficult to pull down, so I just use a swipe gesture. The Kraken attracts a lot of attention because of its looks, which is always fun for a geeky ROM addict like me.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] cd2573:
I have the otter case and if you dont install a screen protector it wont respond as good when you touch the screen
[Droid Incredible Accessories] Bloodflame:
So I just wanted to update.. I ended up purchasing the Seidio Rugged on the 12th of February. I was quite disappointed in the shipping time. I never received the case until today. Usually, I receive mail from the US within 10 days, quite often less.

As far the case goes, I love it. Great quality! Rather than use the included screen protector, I am using the Zagg InvisibleShield. Works perfectly with the Seidio. This is the best possible combo, IMHO.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] lainzee:
I have the Otterbox case and I'm fairly disappointed in it. The outer rubber case doesn't seem like it fits perfectly on the inner plasticy part, and the clear plastic part that goes over the screen makes the touch screen a lot less responsive. I was happy with the Otterbox commuter case I have on a Droid X, but the Defender case for the the Incredible leaves a lot to be desired IMO.

I'm going to check out the Seido case mentioned now.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] dspcap:
I've had a lot of quality issues with Siedio... I just had the rubber on my active rip after 6 months and they can not replace because it's out of warranty.

Going to Otterbox, never had these issues with them.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] Vince556:
I have the Otterbox Commuter case for the Incredible. It has been installed since November. After 5 months of use it has developed a few problems.

The rubber bumper is starting to stretch and push it's way out of the hard case. I take it off about once a week to clean all the lint and what not. It does not fit as snug as it did when first installed.

The plug for the micro usb port does not fit as snug as it did either. Probably from constant use from charging and tethering to the laptop. That is also the area where the rubber bumper raises up the most above the screen.

It is the one area where there is very little rubber. I have contacted Otterbox about replacing the the inner section. Still awaiting a response.

Although the case a few small issues, I really like the Otterbox.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] caedus90:
I love my otterbox defender case. Very protective and doesn't add too much bulk. Don't really use the belt clip.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] 0soPolar:
Are either of these options water (read:baby drool) resistant? My baby girl loves to snag her a fancy cellphone and promptly gnaw, bang, investigate, and make emergency calls (much to my embarrassment) I know that these cases will help with the banging issue, which is one of my bigger concerns, but if my girlie could gnaw and drool on the phone and not have it worse for wear, I might consider handing it to her while Zoodles (baby app) is enabled, and go on with my day having one less worry...
[Droid Incredible Accessories] Vince556:
Just a quick update on the otterbox. I contacted their customer service via email and they are going to send me a replacement free if charge. They were very quick to respond and helpful in every way.

Great customer service in my book. If and when I upgrade my phone I will be purchasing an otterbox for that model also.

Sent from my ADR6300
[Droid Incredible Accessories] sklobopes:
I've had my Defender case for two days now and I'm probably taking it back. It's a great case, though if you have huge fingers like me the raised "lip" around the screen makes pulling down the status bar n playing a word on the sides of the Wordfeud board.(i love me some Wordfued lol). It's a great case overall, but don't expect to reach the edges of the screen comfortably.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] taustin52:
I have had the Otterbox commuter case since christmas and I absolutely love it. it slips easily in out of my pocket, doesn't get hung up. i have larger fingers also, so the added bulk this case adds is perfect, makes the phone much easier to handle in my opinion. Very impressed by the fit and protection, and for $25 shipped on amazon, i would highly recommend it.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] ctinsley:
I picked up the the Otterbox Defender case last week and so far I'm very happy with it. My only nitpick has to be on the inner plastic case as I think they could have done a better job making it lock into place. Other than that the case feels rock solid and was really well designed. The screen is very responsive through the screen protector.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] greenjeans:
I'm using the seidio rugged, and love it! I really like having the hard exoskeleton and hard suface with a shock absorbing (and energy spreading) thick rubber middle.

For those still trying to decide, Best Buy sells the Seidio Cases under the brand name 'Pt'. You can go to a Best Buy store and check out the seidio rugged, and not have to wait for shipping.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] setexascustoms:
I agree, I love the Seidio Rugged. I think the fit and finish are better than the Otterbox, and I like the "spine" which keeps the rubber from stretching out or getting loose. I don't use the belt clip but if I did I couldn't imagine a better one (when it's locked you'd probably have to break it to get the phone out, and the screen faces in). Plus if you don't need all that protection you have the Innocase underneath, which you can use by it's self. If there is a place Otterbox has them beat it probably is customer service, I've heard they're great.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] ohredwood:
I've had both, the seido rugged and the otterbox defender. The seido is a nice case and built pretty well, but I couldn't wait for the otterbox because when it comes to tanks, this thing is it, they don't make em any beefier than this thing.

I do really like the defender case. I've dropped my phone a few times and not a thing except very minor asphalt impression left in rubber, like a scuff mark, but it did it's job and protected the phone. I really like the plastic clear cover to protect the screen, like a screen saver but better.

On the down side, well it's got flaws. I use mine with the belt clip, I've tried to just slip it in my pockets, but the rubber is to grippy to really slide into any cloth pocket. With effort you can get it into a pocket but again, the rubber material is a magnet for lint/hair/dust, once it comes out of your pocket, and trying to brush it off is almost futile.

The last area, I'm on my third defender case as of yesterday, what keeps happening is the two plastic halves snap together and where the belt clip snaps on to the plastic halves, there is a round divet or indentation that keeps breaking off so the belt clip can't sit in the indentation. I've had two cases do the exact same thing, for the price, it's frustrating, it's a little design flaw.

On the positive side, they have a one year warranty, I have called otterbox up each time, explained the defect, and told em I'd take a picture or send the old one back, no questions asked they have sent out a replacement. That's great customer service. I'd buy from them again, in the future, it's just a shame that they haven't revised the mold slightly to fix or address that issue.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bru034:
I looked around the forums here and on the internet and cant seem to find a mod to remove the clock from the notification bar. I have found some that put my phone in a bootloop but nothing for the EVO. I am running Azrael's 3.0 rom currently and was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gajendarksky:
I don't think that there is one available yet that doesn't break the quick power bar in the drop down due to 3.70 uses an all different framework than 3.30 did.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bru034:
Thanks for the response. Well hopefully someone soon can incorporate this because I think it would be a nice option.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tdusen:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=780614

#7 is hide the clock.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SteelH:
Actually I already made one.
[General Questions and Answers] PaulB_ZA:
Hi, I have been struggling for days, to try to get internet on my Smartphone via Bluetooth on my Desktop PC, is Data is massivly Expensive in this country. Whenever I go to Connetions > add new connection for Bluetooth, and I add a new Device, I see my Desktop PC there. However when I see the services, all I see is Activesync, I select that, push save, and it just goes back to add a new device again. I also tried, to connect via the Bluetooth PAN Device, on my PC, and I choose connect using access point, it gives me an error. "The connection with the Bluetooth Device failed. The device may be already connected to another computer, or it may be need to be configured to accept connections from this computer. Consult your device documentation for further information.

Please can someone help me?

Thanks
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] thehyecircus:
What can I do with THESE Android-specific issues?

1. Mass Texts. If I send three of my friends a text, it goes into a thread with all three of their names on it and a group icon as the contact. Bizarre! On other phones (my old Touch Pro) it updated each person's message threads with the individual text. What is the deal with Android?

2. Pushing the Phone button, I got "Keypad, Logs, Favourites, and Contacts". First I might say that "Favourites" is interesting because no where else on my phone does it use British English. I wish it did, but oh well. Anyway, Logs displays everything my phone has done, and half the time the people's pictures disappear from it. You CAN filter the logs, but only by "Missed Calls, Dialled Calls, Received Calls, Sent Messages, Recieved Messages." I want to sort them by All Calls, and no messages.

Now, under Contacts, I have a "History" tab, where I can view my logs for Calls, Messages, Emails, IMs, Facebook, Myspace, and Twitter." That will display what I want. Why is that tab not identical to the one under the Phone button? How do I remedy this problem?

Thank you for your help anyone who reads this and have a Happy New Year!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] whynot66:
dear administrator would it be possible to have a seperate thread for nand :-) maybee as a sub catogary in android development, so we would have seperate "NAND" and "SD" threads
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] famewolf:
More likely the SD builds would fall into a subcategory as NAND becomes the standard as it is with all the other android phones.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] David Balfour:
There will be no need for a separate forum. If you read this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=894143 you can clearly see how new build threads have to be named so that you can clearly see what is for what with regards SD, SD RAM or NAND builds and kernels.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] whynot66:
still would be nice not having to filter through tho
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] famewolf:
Do a search of this forum, titles only for [NAND] or [SD].....done.

Example for NAND: http://xdaforums.com/search.php?searchid=54393021
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] nito2721:
Bunch of debbie downers... Whynot66 I say why not!!!??? Whats it hurt? Like organizing the threads would cause the world to end.

Have a good new year!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
Sorry guys as of right now there will be no new forum with SD and Nand divided. Please use the "tagging system" provided in the How to Title your thread topic to learn an understand the topics titles and help you with the sorting of topics.

Typically I would probably close this thread but at the same time, I do think that it could also serve a purpose.

I'm going to add a poll and move this thread to HD2 Android General Discussion.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kailkti:
I don't think we should make another forum/sub forum for NAND builds. To be honest it's more hassel for the Devs/Cookers. Say if they want to maintain both their SD and NAND builds, get feedback from people, the burden will be heavier. Like Mdeejay, he has so much builds out already, if he makes a NAND version each one, then has to make a new thread for each one, and in a different forum, and he's gonna have to keep up with feedback for each thread.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
Their is already to many subforums in the hd2 section. Most out of any other phone. Lets add an UBUNTU section too while were at it. Because that doesn't fit in any category. Vote is definitely NO:P
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] whynot66:
my argument is that there will be a lot of people sticking with the sd builds so they can keep winmob, there will be so many builds popping up [sd] [ram] and [nand] new posts and builds released if unpopular will soon disappear of the first few pages. and things will get confusing.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
I highly doubt the rest of the cooks will even update any further builds for sd. They'll just leave them as is.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I hope that doesn't happen... there's still a lot of us that will still be using SD builds.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kailkti:
Zara is right. I think a good majority of users will still want SD builds. One really good advantage of SD builds is the big amount of storage available, which I think many of us appreciate, well atleast us non-TMOUS HD2 users.

Either way a forum will always have unpopular threads/builds, which in our case, if unpopular, is probably a build which has a build that has not been updated in a long time or outdated.

Lets save ourselves the server space no? It's not hard to look at thread titles for SD, NAND or RAM is there?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mrhaynes:
Why not?

a NAND and SD forum wouldn't be hard and it would make those of us looking for just NAND way faster.

quit arguing just to argue unless you have a reason for NOT wanting it. not why search is so much better.

Organization is key to success
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kailkti:
It might be organized but it's still a waste. Why can't Devs have simply one thread for both an SD and NAND build, or only one, instead of having to manage two threads? Is our stress of simply pressing a link or two and just viewing titles comparable to the stress of what Devs would have to go through?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] solid.snake:
Useless, useless idea. It will be no for me.

To much sub-forum would kill forum
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] famewolf:
Interesting that the most vocal are the naysayers but currently 76% of those voting say yes to separate forums....in the meantime my earlier post will show you how to setup a search on title for [Nand] and [SD]...you can also bookmark these searches so you would be able to pull up only nand posts or only sd posts already.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] roloracer:
I don't see the point or reason to add another sub-forum to the already large list of sub-forums for the hd2, it might end up being convenient to some of us that don't want to have to read thru the titles of [NAND]/[SD]/[SD-RAM], but what is also going to create is more work for the devs that will have to monitor multiple threads and more threads for the mods to follow up on. I think the new label system is a great idea and I'm sure it will do the job of showing people what to look for, and like famewolf said it about how to search and bookmark threads, maybe he should make a thread showing people how to use the new labeling system when doing a search.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MartyLK:
Count me in on it. I think it will be productive for those of us who wish to stick with SD. Already some devs are switching over to NAND and abandoning SD. Separating forums I believe would resolve this.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Back Stabbath:
how will it create more work? its the same amount of threads either way just actually organized instead of the mess it is right now and the bigger one its going to become. besides a nand section there should also be a ram section as far as im concerned. and if its the devs that dont want to "create more work" for themselves then they should probably not release multiple builds. im all for as many builds as we can get of course but id sacrifice quantity for quality... wouldn't everybody? not to mention the same build made 3 different ways is nice and all but it seems kind of redundant. why not just make the best one of all 3 versions especially if you dont want to play tech support for them?

yeah ok we can get a headache and strain our eyes on the ever growing extra long string of capitol letters designating what something is in brackets or of course go a few more steps and search but having another sub forum is not exactly taxing work. if a mod or admin cant handle it then what are they possibly gonna do when a *gasp* new phone comes out or a different os becomes available to the hd2?!? this is a forum. forums are organized. i also run my own. i cant think of any reason why i wouldnt let users make a sub forum if it was called for. having 3 separate ways to install something all mixed up together is annoying. i cant even see how another sub would even get in the way of the people who dont want it. youd think people would vote to make it easier to find what they are looking for rather then continue the endless stream of usually snide "use the search" posts. i mean...im obviously gonna continue to use the forum but its either gonna be better or the same as it is. we dont even have a app section for android. not sure what makes us think we could get this too. on the other hand not sure why theres such resistance to it in the first place...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] victorbd:
we should hav a new subforum... mods are watching the poll results i assume... 100:29 that means almost 80% peoples are voting for android NAND section... after all its the greatest mobile community and communities are run by public opinions...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] victorbd:
im the 100th yesman.. :P
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] meptik:
Public opinion seems only guided by what is convenient for the public. I'm personally much more interested in what developers would find the best solution.

It's currently not entirely clear how the future will be, but it's worth considering that with a little time there might not be separate SD, NAND or M-SD builds at all.

If the changes needed to turn a build into a traditional SD build, magldr SD build or NAND buils are not too big, it makes sense for developers to just open a single thread, offering 2 or 3 different downloads (NAND, SD and M-SD if necessary). For developers, this would have some pretty big advantages: they would have less threads to monitor and maintain, bug reports would be easy to find and fixes/workarounds for issues would be visible to all people running a build, regardless of how they're running it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MoneyFist:
Separate forum!

It's not practical to keep running searches.

You're just bogging the XDA web server CPU.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kailkti:
How is it not practical to do searches? Will a person ,later on in the future where multiple nand and SD builds are out, search the forum a 100 time each day to keep up with a 100 builds? No that is impractical nor does it happen. Even in the future if multiple nand and SD builds are out ,a couple of searches isn't a pain is it? Is it so hard to bookmark a builds page? That is simply laziness on us leeches' part. It's that sort of mentality that sparks posting and not reading nor searching.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dung8604:
What happens when a different bug shows up on NAND but not on SD, RAM, or m-SD? Or if each version has a different problem then the last? You've now made it almost impossible to search for the solution you're running into. Not to mention the dev would have to write 3 different sets of instructions in the same thread as well as three separate "known bugs/fixes" specific to each method.

Now apply this problem on the scale of an entire forum. You've just made the devs, moderators, and our lives much more difficult imo. This is probably the same reasoning that started the Android development, q and a, and general discussion sub forums in the first place, instead of lumping Android and Windows together under the hd2 forum.

However, I don't mind if the mods don't want to create a separate forum. Just search the way the op suggests.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] whynot66:
Ah! Great point that settles it for me

Very well done
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] meptik:
Why do you assume there will be different bugs? Personally, I imagine that the similarities between the (M-)SD and NAND versions of a build will be greater than the differences.

Still, the point is that neither of us really know. It's also possible, for example, that developers would like to keep NAND and SD build development completely separate, since NAND has much tighter restrictions on build size. That's why I think developer input on this subject is important. It's no use to arrange the forums in a way that is convenient for users if it means making things difficult for developers.

I think the mod decision to wait and see how things develop is the right one. The way threads are now labeled in the Android Development section makes things more than easy enough to find for now.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattwaddy:
I definitely think there is a need to separate the developments down, overall I would propose this as a big picture. I feel it would make the HD2 area so much easier to navigate;

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