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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xaccers:
I've installed android to give it another go (tried before on my blackstone and thought it was "meh" ) and to be prepaired for any clients who use it.

It's still meh to be honest, feels clunky, I've no idea if the back arrow is closing an app or leaving it paused in the background, web browsing doesn't work for some of the pages I visit (with link redirects) using either the built in browser or opera mobile, I hate that you can select hyperlinks without zooming in. The email client sucks. I'd check out gallery but I always give up after 5 minutes of it trying to load all the folders with images rather than taking me to a default location and then letting me decide which folder to look in. Album under WM is so much better.

Can't stand the keyboard, god knows why MS copied it for WP7. Having to go to a seperate overlay to get numbers? Come on that's crap. If I can hold a key down and get a row of alternate characters, why can't one of them be a number?

So far I use it mostly for kindle. I've got angry birds installed but prefer huff n puff on WM (just wish it had more levels).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Recently I've been using winmo for fpsece... its so much better and more customizable than psx4droid is. Sometimes I just prefer using winmo, too. I've been using it 8 years... i can do anything I can do on Android with winmo. But sometimes now I prefer Android, too. But my hd2 is perfect, cause I can have both. I just hope magldr gets support for winmo soon.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Bingoig11:
As Android has been ported to the HD2 using the SDCard I started to test it, and I noticed that my Android HD2 was much more fast and smooth than using WM.

As soon as the NAND Android version was available, I flashed my HD2 with MAGLDR and installed Android, and I think I'll never rollback, maybe to test WM7 on HD2, but that's the only real reason that would make me rollback to WM.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Gushfevah:
Not used WinMo once since i first tried out an Android SD Rom in October, and just switched to a NAND build.

Used WinMo since i got my first XDA, an XDA Exec, but i sure wouldn't go back now
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] luffyp:
If only winmo had better native UI, more finger friendly, and more official support from the popular services (e.g. twitter, dropbox, better facebook app, whatsapp, etc). Then I'd still think winmo is a better and more professional os than android.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xaccers:
Have you tried SPB mobile shell? Give the free trial a go then look up version 5 and try not to drool and shake your fists in frustration that it's not available to consumers yet :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] buzz killington:
This!

I'd feel much safer out in the boondocks with Garmin than I do with Copilot. I tried looking up directions to a golf course once and it wasn't in Copilot - the course has been open more than 10 years!

Even though I've gone full nand android, I certainly wouldn't mind if I could giving up say 50-75mb of nand space for a slim winmo 6.5 dual boot.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asctony:
Yes, I tried it and have used it on my MDA, Wing, Omnia I900 and even have it installed and running on my HD2. However, SPB has been saying since October 2010 that it will be supporting Android soon. Well here it is, Jan 2011 and soon apparently is still not here. LOL

So, what is the point of 'drooling' at something that is not there. SPB demonstrated V5 back in Feb 2010. One more month and its been 1 YEAR.

I use Android on my HD2 and would not go back to WM regardless of version and whatever SPB has or will have. Their support is non-existant.

I use LauncherPro Plus and it far exceeds SPB Mobile Shell.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] abrise:
+1 same reason for me, IGo or Sygic maps are far from being as good or up to date, copilot map doesn t even exist where i live. I switch to winmo when i take the car to use garmin.

Also i miss a few dictionaries not yet available in Android. And here with edge available only , online dictionaries are really to slow.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] psykick5:
WTF is Windows Mobile?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xaccers:
Really?

Apart from the People widget being like SPB's contacts (and frankly nowhere near as good) can you please tell me what you've done to LPP to make it better than MS?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asctony:
1. SPB MS is not available for Android and probably never will be.

2. SPB is not a reliable company in that they do not support their products.

3. The cost of their apps are very expensive and too many overlaps such as Time, Weather, etc., as individual apps. Then they combine them in a package as Traveler.

4. No software configuration management of their applications.

5. No notification of when a new update/release is available.

6. With LPP I know daily if I am current.

7. LPP allows me to configure my Home Screen just like SPB MS did.

8. Cost of LPP nowhere near as costly as SPB MS.

9...........101

I am sold on Android and no longer support SPB and their lack of support.

Hope I satisfied your request. If you haven't tried LPP, try LP to begin with as it is free.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Richy99:
yes i do still use winmo

stupid board needs to lower the 10 character limit
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xaccers:
Tried LP on your recomendation, thought ok maybe the pro version is the one that exceeds MS, so paid my £2 and well, I hate to say it but I'm not impressed, which is why I asked what you've done to yours to make it better :)

For example, with MS I can drag a widget from one screen to another, but it seems on android I have to remove the widget, go to the other screen, and then re-add it. Is there a setting somewhere that I can change to allow dragging across screens?

With the people widget from LPP, it doesn't appear that I can add new contacts to it, only use it to display contact groups (favourites/starred/etc), while in MS I can just tap on a blank icon and pick the contact I want. Is there a way to do this in LPP?

Never needed support from SPB, MS and their other apps I use just work, besides, like XDA for HTC products, there's a large user knowledgebase.

I get informed about updates whenever I visit the marketplace too, there's been a few over the past year.

I don't consider £16 for MS to be that expensive considering what you get and how it transforms the phone into something that's a pleasure to use. SPB radio intergrates well as a widget for example.

I'm concious that one day my Leo will bite the dust and I won't be able to get another one. It'll be unlikely that someone will port WM6.5 to the HD7 or any future phone, so it appears I'll have to move to android (which hopefully by then will have improved considerably). You may have gathered that I'm rather keen on the MS interface, having something similar is a prerequisite for me being happy with android so I'm hoping SPB will pull their finger out and sort v5 for android, if that happens then I won't be so stuck when I'm forced to ditch WM6.5

So far I've really only found android useful for the kindle app, so I've been looking for ways to make it a bit more practical and user enticing for me. First thing was to try and find a better interface, once I've done that or given up, it's time to find a better email client, then maybe a web browser which can handle the sites I go to without trouble on WM6.5

Update - pressing the home button for a second time brings up the three screens I've got, that's a nice touch.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] karendar:
Uhm... Select widget, drag across screen. Wait for new screen to appear... Let go of widget. Voilà!

As for the people widget, wouldn't know. I don't use it. ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xaccers:
Cheers, just takes a lot longer for the next screen to show than with MS under WM.

Do you just use the contacts lists?

With MS the contacts favourite screen gives you icons for each contact (their image so for dad I have Harry from the Hendersons, it's scary how similar they are, although dad now has less hair), with 12 contacts visible on the screen at once (using medium sized icons, you can use larger or smaller) and the ability to scroll the page up to reveal more, it's great for making calls from the car.

With android even the favourites just give me a list of contacts with only 6 on the screen at a time.

The people widget gives a layout similar to the MS favourites, but you can't move the contacts around as far as I can tell.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] younus_malik:
i used to be an avid windows mobile fan but this relation is gone when they didnt support HD2 for windows 7. if they have no sympathy for us then we dont have sympathy for them. tit for tat... f*** them and btw android outsmart winmo in every aspect. android rocks and is the way to move forward now!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shubh.27hd2:
I switched to windows yesterday and am again on nandroid... wtf... just cant use windows for a day...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] karendar:
Can't help you much with that. I'm not a very big contacts user sadly. I just use the built in contact list or quick dial...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] aznwannabe358:
Longtime WinMo fan back to my sda wm5.0 but I agree with most of you. Android is a complete OS for me. I am gonna give wp7 a chance but I'm glued to android.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] raven_raven:
I'm Android user for almost year by now. I had Samsung Galaxy i5700 Spica and Era G1 (known as HTC Dream). Now I bought myself an HD2, I planned that it will become Android device as soons as I manage to run it (and from first day I used Android on it). But I'm a little geek and I couldn't miss the chance to try totally new OS to me, the Windows Mobile. So now I ended up using more WM than Android :). Windows Mobile (especially with HTC Sense) isn't that bad as everybody describe it. Of course, Android is far more modern and has 200,000 cool apps, but WM isn't that bad. I even like it more for being so... nerdish? But it's just me :P. I don't know if I play it a little and then go back to Android or if I simply stick to it for longer. It's fun for me to play with it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] arthurbrownleeiv:
Like the OP, maps are huge for me. iGO8 is still a requirement for me.

As well as there are not ANY decent Office apps on Android, and I've bought them all.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JonnieLasVegas:
I still use & love Winmo, but do use android more than I thought I would. Android is just ugly & I don't like the lack of customization. But the apps, for the most part blow away Winmo. But using the phone, texting, and especially internet are far superior on Winmo. If dinik ever makes Anastasia on android it would be much better, lol.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asctony:
With People Widget I can get 4x2 - 8 people, 4x4 - 9 people or 4x4 - 20 people. I do agree that you can't move the contacts around. I can't find a way to do so. I also don't see the bar with options to - CALL, MSG, etc. I am using V1.70.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asctony:
1. You can have many pages and drag from 1 page to another. There are so many different options, it is overwhelming. You can size the Widgets, too. Just place you finger on Icon/Widget hold then slide it to next page. It does work.

2. I use People/contact widget posted with info.

3. I use to be an avid reader/poster on SPB and SPB would be very non-responsive. I recommended a SW Config Library and they felt it was not needed. I could go on and on about SPB, but not worth the effort. Go to the SPB Index and read all the complaints.

4. I consider SPB prices extreme compare to Android and even iPhone/Itunes. If they upgrade an app, they charge you for that upgrade, too.

5. I had an iPhone 3G for a couple of years. When Android came out, I find many of the apps that I used on the iPhone. I like going to fewer places to find Apps. With WM I was all over the Internet try to find apps.

I do agree that not every phone or OS is for everyone. However, I am sold on Android now. It is taking over and will even get bigger than OS 4. JMHO!

Hope I did help you a little. I never buy an app first. I first try out the LITE version then if I like it, go from there.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] npocmo:
As for me I don't really consider SD builds as sort of full OS for my phone, it should be flashed. So I was waiting for NAND release and I was impressed. But there are some small things which are not that important but kinda annoying when you are trying to use them and they just ruin your day because you really expect your expencive phone to work perfectly.

I really hope that those minor issues like bluetooth, GPS, battery drainage, headset controlls and others will be fixed in nearest future, some of them are alredy fixed.

But as for now I think I will wait. It is a great OS but still needs to be polished to deliver exelence. I was waiting for it for nearly a year, will survive another couple of months :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] maff1989:
it happened the same way with me, brother. haven't TOUCHED WinMo since I first flashed HSPL :P
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheiPhoneKiller:
well i remember when the HD2 came out in Nov 09,i had my blackstone,great looking phones back then,this phone kicked its butt back then in terms of windows mobile,lots of new features,TouchFlo was replaced with Manilla 2.1 and 2.5 as we use to call it back then on Windows Mobile.Thanks to Energy we got leo roms on Blackstone,Thought it was brilliant and then my blackstone died in march,Went over to a Hero,Girlfriend got her Desire back in April,Been an android fan ever since,In early December i got the erge to match my girlfriends phone but didnt want the same so i got this beast having had a look at devolopment on here for android off SD so you could say brought it just to use Android and to be honest,im Glad i was £30 short that day i brought this instead of a Desire HD off play.com.with this you dont need one only if you want 3 extra megapixels and 720p ,When getting this phone on the first day it arrived and not using windows for 9 months,i forgot how annoying and laggy it was,even tho it was more powerfull than a blackstone,speed wise there wasnt much difference,The only thing i liked about it and kinda missed was the Sence had more features and was more advanced than Android and Audio Booster.having fiddled about for several hours finding the right SD build and making my girlfriend laugh i found a stable build,i was amazed at how well it was running android,fairly smoothly,rarely booted into Windows and then Nand came New years Eve,flashed a Nand build and the improvement over SD were fantastic,then a cople of days later Clockwork recovery comes out,Now it feels like an Android device,It runs a Lot smoother and faster than windows mobile ever did and wouldnt wanna go back,i wouldnt even want WP7.This phone shoulda been an Android device from the start,i think its time to say Windows Mobile 6.5 i nearly dead,if not dead allready.WP7,great phones but OS i dont think is as good as Android.No more windows,exept on pc
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xaccers:
Yes you have been helpful, the people widget, although not as configurable as MS, is a lot better than the standard favourites list.

The slide to next page of widgets was just taking longer that I expected as it's near instant in MS.

I do like the ability to resize widgets rather than just small/medium/large.

I'd never expect a new version (not an update) to be free, maybe a reduced upgrade price maybe. It's like I wouldn't expect to get Norton 2011 free becaue I bought Norton 2005.

To me, the £2 for LPP is fair because of how little it does, likewise the £16 for MS is fair because of how much it does.

I'm not asking for much from a phone's OS am I?

I just would like:

TomTom

Kindle

A web browser that can access the pages I need to get to (which for some reason the built in one and Opera mobile 10 on android won't do)

Image viewer/album that doesn't take forever to open

MP3 player that shows my own album art full size

A easy to use/customizable interface

Internet radio app which lets me add my own station links

Decent email client (is there any way I can stop android suggesting gmail when I go to send an email to a contact, I've said to always use exchange but gmail still appears in the list, or can someone suggest a better mail client than the default?)

Remote desktop app - need to get round to trying one of the android ones

MS office apps

So far android ticks very few of those boxes for me, at the moment it's being used as an overpowered kindle reader, and I'd rather get used to using it for more than that.

iphone is not an option for me, they're never going to make it decent, similarly with WP7, so when I have to move it's going to be to android, and having been stuck with motorolas and a samsung phone before, I know what it's like to be stuck with a phone you hate, so I'd rather learn to love the droid.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chteh2008:
me too.......
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] raven_raven:
Now I went back from NAND Android to Windows Mobile. Sense is really beatiful, it's SOO MUCH better than on Android. It's really one solid experience compared to Android bunch of widgets. Windows Mobile is pretty nice, but I can't live without many apps from Android and I'd love to have better gmail experience (nothing can beat Android in that).

IMO perfect OS would be Windows Mobile with Sense shell and Android apps. Too bad, that we can't have it all in the same time (I know that we can have both WM and Android on one brilliant device called HTC HD2, but not both running at the same time :P).

Oh, and I really love that nerdish feel of Windows Mobile. Android became really, really mainstream, it feels almost like Apple.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lsxrx7:
i bought the HD2 after NAND came out

if NAND wasnt available i wouldnt have bought it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xaccers:
I am always amazed by these reports of problems with WM, in all my years of using it on various devices, I've never had any of the issues raised.

It just works.

I'd imagine many of the issues are down to dodgy ROMs, either cooked or stock from providers.

The impression I get of US stock ROMs from people's posts are that they're really poor and filled with junk.

The only reason I've put on the generic 3.14 ROM was because I got bored waiting for O2 to release their version, and wanted to give android another go.

Once O2 release their version I'll probably try it. They seem to be pretty good at sorting out the problems people report with the generic ROMs.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] coolfire:
I have to agree with all of the above! Feel the same way too... Especially the "nerdy" part. lol

Oh and also, if Droid can sync with Outlook Tasks, I just might consider making the switch.:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] smeddy:
This:

Not this:

:)

I tried every WM ROM, stock and cooked. The cooked's were always much better than stock, Sense is beautiful, WM was pretty amazing, but the patch-up jobs since 2002 had taken their toll and everything on that first list is correct, in my experience. I could add another 20, but he just about nailed it. For me the final straw was,. on stock ROMs, my Outlook PIN getting lost after one week's use. The third time this happened, I went straight to Android. AND. I. WAS. AMAZED.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Mikeysm21:
Hilariously, for me things that the phone were supposed to do eg. My Location didn't actually work on Windows Mobile. When I used to try update it it would tell me I was in Waipu in New Zealand. Never had any troubles with that on Android, all the stuff Windows Mooobile was supposed to do simply didn't work for me. (Maps, E-mails and a whole host of other stuff.)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] saurabh88:
i dont know about u guys but after flashing with energy 21916 i love my leo and windows again.i havent then touch android though am hardcore fan of it as i have my optimus one.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Towserspvm2000:
Have used WM for the last 8 years.... but now I've ditched it. Android is much more enjoyable. But fair play to the modders - they've done more for WM than Macro**** have done.

Now Android has gone Nand, WM will stagnate.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] heartspains88:
Negative, All NANDroid all the time!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 2happy:
i have gone for best of both worlds for my choice,after trying few nand builds,i went back to 1.66 wwe winmo with mdj revolution hd (sd) version.i always had a great battery life with both of them.i have been reading all the posts here seems like lot of people run into problems with winmo and also sd/nand/ram.

i have been very happy with sd version android so i stick to sd for now,i also use winmo time to time and not giving up yet.

i still think in my opinion nand is in very early stages,needs to be improved when its ready then we can ditch the windows maybe.but like i said too early.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] distruct:
Used WM 6.5 for 3 months until I suddenly saw there was Android avabiable. From August till now I just used 1 day WM 6.5. This was because I was upgrading and I had to cancel it! That day I couldn't live with my phone lol. It was terrible, next day Android was on!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kaymado:
you dont know what you are saying...

IMO i think you need to try a nand version before slaggin it off...

I too tried many SD versions, but there was always something needing fixed etc, and plus the wake up lag etc... ok, was minimal but it bothered me a lot.

Since new year I been using NAND and I cannot stress enough, how happy i am with it. It really feels like an android phone.

Only thing i miss in WINMO $hit is the active sync, which is the only way i can copy files over to sd card at work, as the company blocks writing to USB
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 2happy:
and you think you do:confused:

learn to READ..READ..READ first.(if you can that is)

why there is always some one has to criticise, i do not understand..i did say i have tried FEW NAND versions.to my opinion its in early stages.let me say that again IN MY OPINION.tell me which part that i was slaggin the nand version,other than saying i have tried and went back to winmo with android sd.

p.s

there is always 1 ... been there,done that,tried everything and knows everything.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] agormog:
I haven't used WinMobile since September
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jonny68:
No i don't bother with WINMO anymore
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] KrewsialNL:
Nope

WinMo is history for me.