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[Epic 4G General] iil:
For what its worth, we do not all think like this. Thanks for the time and effort you put into helping others. I am personaly grateful.

I don't know what it is but there is an awful lot of negativity on here. There are other boards around that you might enjoy more. Hope to see you around.
[Epic 4G General] awrnsmn:
mysteryemotionz, I'm starting to see what you mean now.....after some discusions this morning it's like a bunch of 10yr olds on here......I haven't really helped the community much, but am working on a rom as we speak (finally). I may find another site to go to, just don't know yet.......have to get my emotions back in check and rationally decide before I do anything. There are a lot of skilled devs and gratefull people on here, but it is very hard to ignore some. I guess a public forum will always have it's share off..........
[Epic 4G General] iil:
For all we know, they may actually be 10 years old.
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
I have seen the childish displays to which you refer and I do hope you can understand that not all of us act in such a way. I look forward to seeing your developments and hope to be able to try them myself at some point in the near future and I wish you the best of luck developing!
[Epic 4G General] uranidiot:
Go on , beat it , don't let the door hit you on the way out. Who cares
[Epic 4G General] zulubushi:
Meh, I can see both sides to this. I was a super mod on a few paintball forums with tens of thousands of members and we (the mods) were very active and put the smackdown on idiots, guided newbs to answers and use of the search feature with firmness but respect and kept things running pretty tight.

That said, there were still tons of questions asked numerous times, there were still idiots and it was still a lot of work. There were people teching their guns who shouldn't be (tho we generally got them proficient enough to eventually do so) and those who looked down their noses from time to time.

Bottomline is that maybe this isn't for you, with regard to dealing with "the public" and maybe the mod(s) here could do a better job managing the alleged chaos. I understand your frustration but when we allow everyone else to determine our actions, we give their lunacy power over our lives. If you want to keep modding, do it and just be balanced about family and hobby and don't let the noise shake you... that's life. Many of us geeks have to learn it and keep our priorities straight, while dealing with people IRL and online who irk us to no end.

my .02 Good luck with whatever is next for you.
[Epic 4G General] jeffyv2:
If only they made me a mod on this forum...sure wouldn't be this way...

Sucks to see all the people that could make my phone better..leave :(.. people could really be ****en retarted and *****y and just act like the world revoles around them.. then they wonder why there's no updates to roms or themes here..

BECAUSE YOU ****EN "KILL" IT FOR ALL OF US...

And just like some devs say...if you don't know how to do it then don't do it at all...

sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] deano0714:
Ok soo everyone who's flaming mystery and Thomas you don't have any respect at all you come to these forums and give no input or help at all and you critisize them for there choice of leaving well maybe you should leave these forums he posted this so everyone would know he was leaving and no one would be like "where did mystery go?" Well here it is and because all people do on this forum is flame its made almost all the people who contribute the most leave... mystery and thomas were some of the best themers we had... see how I used "had". Maybe if everyone started straitining up and posting where there suppers to then they would still be here. If you have a question then search it or look at the original post and see if its answered both of those ways if it isn't then you can make another thread asking your question IN GENERAL.

Thankyou misterymotionz and thomasskull for all your hard work and I hope this isn't the last these forums see of you hopefully we can get it worked out so people use the search button and don't post in the wrong sections... peace
[Epic 4G General] othan1:
First, define flame. Who is flaming who on here? I only see people voicing their opinion in a public forum. I'm not saying you're pointing fingers at me (I'm not flaming anyone) but that word is used way too much and is very subjective.

Second, mystery is a grown man (well, assuming that you have 4 kids and a wife, anyway) who doesn't need people white-knighting for him; he can speak for himself but I'm sure he enjoys seeing the support.

Thirdly, if this wasn't an AW thread, then what is it? You said goodbye yet you still argue your point. That's fine and all, but it really doesn't make it a goodbye thread...makes it a "I have issues with the administration and community but don't know how to voice them effectively" thread, I guess.

Fourthly, I wish you the best wherever you go.

On another note:

Why does everyone have to take things so personally these days? I could be the only talking donkey in existence (okay, I'm a jackass at times) but nobody here or on any other board would ever know as I'm posting on the internet. What some talking donkey says to anyone shouldn't matter beyond an opinion that can be rejected, accepted or outright ignored. It's an opinion from a total stranger (jackass or not); who cares if they say something you don't like to hear?
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
What I believe is meant by the term 'flame' or 'flaming' or more accurately what I mean when I use it is a plain-and-simple personal attack. I see your point but the fact is that there is a way to voice an opinion, even a negative one, that does not boil down to "Stop being a f***ing *****" (to paraphrase) and that that type of response should not be necessary on these forums. I'll openly admit that I've allowed myself to make such comments in the recent past but upon realizing how childish I sounded decided to reform myself and make an attempt at delivering my opinions in such a way to allow my thoughts to be communicated thoughtfully and without need of calling others names. At the risk of running off topic, I would like to add an apology to those I have 'flamed' in the past (specifically one user, who I am sure knows who they are).
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
Great job whosdaman, but I have noticed you come in a little late in the game with the closing of threads. As far as moving, well thats a result of Development really only being used as a market for ROMs, not a FORUM... like I said in other thread, looked back at sdx for the Moment for why I thought it was so great there (on a device with similar update issues, etc), and the STRUCTURE kept it organized. Sub-forums, like 'Development Questions' and 'ROM market- no questions other than within a ROMs thread directly re: that ROM'... or something like that. Leave no structure in a place where people ( a lot of which are still children ) are not socially evolved enough to follow the (shoddy) system of this forum, which is unlike any other, what do you expect? Sorry, that was not all directed at whosdaman, but kind of ran on from the initial thought.

Outgoing devs: I agree with those who say that you are really looking for help from mods, and some order, so that you can do your work and not waste time on unnecessary posts. I totally understand, BUT shouldnt you and your mods be able to come up with things like banning stalker like PMs, temp bans on repetitive posters... and a structure that insulates you from anything but your work... cant we sticky ROMs, and the sensitve people can just not look past page one or two???? I think a couple months ago, this thread was mostly people who were into this phone for specs, and not flash (evo), and then as the little advertising for this phone came around (and the realization that this phone must be better, as it costs more, so as a rich kid I must own it) a LOT more people came in who were totally newb (like the differentiation), and had a lot of questions. Post in your OP for your ROM that you are not Burger King, and each individual cannot ask for a your ROM to be monogrammed for them... It just seems like there was little order in the beginning because it was unnecessary, now its necessary, wheres the order???

Also, theres a flipside of the little phone modding fame, its attention... now youre not getting just semi tech saavy users who want to improve their phones, youre getting people who saw XDA and your work on engadget etc and want in on it. Price of fame...

I gotta say, Noobnl's goodbye was the first time his brevity really worked out well, he didnt make a long ass post he had to defend... just 'bye'. Then I think it was followed by the haters whining about him not sharing every thought he has instantly (or leak, or whatever...). A lot of devs and their sycophants sounding like noobs....

Anyways, more mods? Sub-forums? Big fish to remember they are in a small pond?
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
Why even make a thread for this crap. If you want to leave then just go, apparently all you want is attention and for someone to say they love you and not for you to go. I for one am not gonna kiss your ass or stay stuck up your butt cheeks cause you can't handle helping others even in a repeditive fashion. You are gonna have this kind of behavoir anywhere you go and on any forums you might join. You are worse than they are with this thread you 2 have created. Only thiing you have done is made the fourms worse with your self centered attitudes and whining about noobs.
[Epic 4G General] snowmanwithahat:
It's not the level of knowledge that bothers people, it's the dependence on others for information (search is an amazing tool), the tone that people take with each other and the attitude that people take.

These forums could be amazing if people would mature up a bit :(
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
My belief is that the best way to deal with repetitive questions is to first point out that the search function could have answered the question but then provide the answer myself. This helps people immediately while also letting them know they should have searched before posting.
[Epic 4G General] haas599:
This thread kind of adds to the junk pile if you ask me.
[Epic 4G General] Orbiting234:
Amen to that! Seriously, why be an attention whore starting a thread like this???
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
Sorry to see you go, but I totally understand your point of view. This forum needs to add in a twit list so you don't see the idiots if that is what you want. I rarely ask a queston as the search function usually gets me tons of info.
[Epic 4G General] f16pilot:
Wait!!

Wait! Before anyone abandons this thread...

I didn't feel like searching...so can someone tell me what a "noob" is? I also need help figuring out everything about my phone. I've been told that I can make calls with it, but I'm afraid that it may void my warranty...can someone tell me how to do all of that stuff?

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot, Samsung is going to have Froyo available on 26 Dec, in case you hadn't heard...I got it from a really good source at the Sprint store.

Alright, all you devs, get your panties out of your crack and lets get some work done. I'm tired of all of this wound licking going on around here. For those who are leaving, goodbye and thanks for all the fish. For those staying, hold on tight...CES is almost over.
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
Great HHGTTG reference.
[Epic 4G General] hydrogenwv:
I don't see this thread as mystery being an attention-whore. I see it as him explaining his rationale for leaving. Sure, he could just leave. So could every other developer. But, if every dev left without giving a reason, where would we all be? At least by giving his rationale for leaving it allows the forum to move forward and improve based on his comments. How many other devs have left for the same reason, but didn't explain? What if a developer stated what mystery did a lnog time ago? Maybe, just maybe, the forum would have already incorporated some of the suggestions that have been made?

Same as in a relationship, I don't end a relationship without saying goodbye and giving an explanation as to why things won't work out. When a girl dumps me, I appreciate that same thing so I can potentially self-reflect and determine if I messed up or there were other issues. This, in turn, could improve my future relationships.

Mystery has pointed out several flaws in the forum that need improvement. Most people knew these issues existed but likely didn't know the severity. This thread got some people talking and working together to improve these things. Hopefully, the forum management will improve and we won't lose any more developers for these same reasons.
[Epic 4G General] f16pilot:
Big D.A. Fan.
[Epic 4G General] socos25:
I agree about all the noobs, but

I agree they're alot of noobs, and the whiney people are a plenty, but ulitmately this forum wouldn't have near the post count if people didn't ask repetative questions.

And while I am a noob myself the search function seems pretty limited, or I don't know how to work it properly. I've read posts that I have wanted to go back on, and tried to search the topic but couldn't find it again.

Agree about the moderators too, but I doubt there is anything you can do about that. I've lurked on this forum since I got my Epic, and if I remember correctly the only reason I posted was because of some smart comment or another.
[Epic 4G General] ydoucare:
At least he admits in his username that he's emo.
[Epic 4G General] f16pilot:
But hydrogenwv, there will always be noobs and therefore, always be noob questions. Its why noobs are noobs and why we hate them. They are all being redirected to xda by every android YouTube video and Google search and as far as I can tell, its only going to get worse. Leaving because of noobs, quite frankly, is rediculous for that very reason. There is nothing this or any other forum can do to prevent noobs or noob questions. We have to live with it. Nobody likes to have burnt lips, but that doesn't stop us from doing flaming shots. The big nasty blisters are just something we have to deal with in the morning. :)
[Epic 4G General] sryans2004:
Wow.....
[Epic 4G General] SemiGamer:
Thanks alot man. Means alot coming from you guys!

Jeeze man I was excited to see there was 6 more pages since I last checked and posted, til I realized only about one page worth is good people saying farewell. Don't sweat the rest of the comments man. Bunch of disrespectful people. Oh well now they have two less amazing contributers to show their disrespect to. >.>

Take care man. Be sure to PM any future amazing work you guys do on the side if you need someone to test for you.
[Epic 4G General] aal1:
I have been a lurker for a long time and only recently participated, posted, donated, etc. I dont know everything you guys did so far, but from what I saw it looked like you guys worked hard and worked from the heart. No one can ask you more...if something leads you elsewhere, so be it. Enjoy where you go, and thanks for what you did for us...and I hope I wasnt one of the newbs that forced you elsewhere....)
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
I am moral boosting ;)
[Epic 4G General] maxhax2000:
I think the problem is how long it takes to search and find what your looking for when trouble shooting. got to remember these ppl prolly not 100% sure of what there doing and mess up there phone and try to figure it out but get tired of trying to search countless threads and just post a new thread. so maybe if there was a new layout of the forum it might help that. maybe even name it noob section. and further more why bash people for being new and asking questions? I think buncha new ppl is a sign of sumtin good right? or would u rather same old people ranting in forums? hehe:)
[Epic 4G General] coolqf:
I often hear that the problem is mostly in the EPIC forums and less in the other forums. This makes me wish for the EPIC admins to be more proactive....

How about switching to another android phone? Since the problem is contained within the EPIC forums, switching to maybe an EVO or a Shift would serve as a great midway for you? I hope a creative resolution is found for your creativity to continue growing within XDA
[Epic 4G General] hardrock121:
I dnt really know you but I m sorry to see someone who contributed vastly to the community leave... but I must say.. i am a noob and will remain for a long time ... before I posted something.. I did search but I must say there are cpl of things missing big time..

1. Stickies.. yeah yeah I know they are stickies there but not for the mostly asked questions on the issues: reg upgrade to dk28 and downgrade to di17. None of the tutorial is comprehensive, the links are broken, the guide is unclear.... for a noob who just came in doesnst understand whats deodexed, odin, cwm, clockwork.. even the words sound dangerous.

2. The guides are written for ppl who know what they are talking about not for the noobs. You can write a guide expecting every new word you write about to be understood by a noob who has no basic knowledge. All you need is a little bit more time explaining what those high sounding words mean. This will clear up most of the questions.

3. Moderators: EVerytime a new thread is opened by a noob... all the guys pounce on him asking why didnt he read, why didnt he search, and all kinds of wise ass answers.. than the "actual" answer. All you need to do is, if you know the answer, give it, close the thread. DONE. Dnt pounce on the guys without giving any answers.

The above three are the most imp points I could think of.. but this is tryue for almost all forums with a popular motive/support. It just needs to be supported properly.

just my $0.02.

I m sure I ll miss your contribution... hope we see you back sometime in future.
[Epic 4G General] hydrogenwv:
Is it ridiculous if he's not enjoying being here anymore? If you don't like doing something, and you aren't required to do it, you stop. Right? Regardless of his reasons for leaving, should he not be appreciated for what he has contributed?

You also assumed I was talking about trying to eliminate the newbie threads that are repetitive. I was not. This is a point I don't necessarily agree with him on, but that doesn't mean I am going to insult him if it's his reason for leaving.

Several good points have been brought up from this whole discussion. More moderators could be helpful. Several good ideas have been suggested for helping find answers to frequently asked questions. That's a good thing, right?
[Epic 4G General] f16pilot:
I agree with you 100%! I'm a complete virgin noob in the Epic forum. In fact, my Epic doesn't get here until tomorrow. I came from the Hero forum and I appreciated each and every dev there. If you gotta go, you gotta go. If you are tired of doing something voluntarily and feel like you aren't appreciated for it, then I'd be the first say, "I quit!" I've been there before, as I'm sure many other people here have. I appreciate anything and everything any dev does here.

However, and this is my point, if you are leaving because of noob questions and their lack of understanding of the forum protocols, then I think that is ridiculous. Because noobs are a fact of life. Each and every person on this board was a noob at one point, but I bet you my bottom dollar that once they were hammered for asking a noob (aka constantly repeated) question or a general question in the developers area, they got to trade in their noob hat for something on the second shelf. It's like sticking your finger in a light socket..."Man, I won't do that again!" Yes, it may get tiresome listening to noob questions, but as long as it isn't always the same guy, you really can't expect anything different.

Maybe instead of a Thanks meter, we could have a noob meter. Each person should be allowed to make a noob mistake at least once, but repeated offenses should get them cast out to the sand worms.
[Epic 4G General] bobdude5:
I think its just people wanting to voice their opinions on the lack of the froyo update. Unfortunately they do it in the wrong sections and instead of posting in a thread relating to their issue/opinion/rant they post in another thread so more people would see their opinion.

To those saying this happens in every forum, yes thats true, but not to the extent to which it happens here.

Man i hope sprint reveals something other than the Evo Shift at ces.
[Epic 4G General] Phen0m:
XDA as a whole has gone mainstream.. This has lead to a serious dilution of the caliber of poster. Hate to be so curt.. but why not just ignore them?

The chef, doesn't have to fraternize with the customers. If you are preparing a feast, then prepare and release on a schedule of your own.

In my opinion, many times.. "if you dont know it, you dont need it". If some of these newer guys want it bad enough, they will learn to ****in Google properly, or use the search function.

If not, then they will either have a half-assed or half working phone, and it will help to weed out the bad seeds. Were all grown here, no one has to hold each others hands to cross the street.
[Epic 4G General] Phen0m:
Additionally, people forget that this is a DEVELOPER FORUM. It's tantamount to walking into a calculus class, with no prior knowledge, and not willing to do the foundation work required to pass. Preferring instead to pester the teacher constantly.

If you cannot keep up, you should not be here, point blank. There is no neccessity to rooting and customizing your phone.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
The problem is XDA. I am the type of person that will search my ass off before creating a topic asking for help, but a majority of people seem to be the opposite. The Epic forums offer ZERO assistance to someone who just bought their first android phone and are looking for cool things to do with it. A newcomer doesn't know to search for things they don't even know are a problem with their device. They have to BY CHANCE happen upon a thread that discuses the airplane toggle or the DRM services etc, etc, etc for them to even know that they are issues. I mean, imagine you have zero idea about android, and you stumble upon the Epic 4g forum. There is ZERO indication even where to start. There needs to be a sticky that spells it out for the noobiest of noobs how to root, use odin, flash themes, etc, etc, etc, etc. There needs to be a starting point so that newcomers are not overwhelmed. I have been flashing roms on windows mobile for years, and when I first came to the Epic 4g forums here from my previous home at ppcgeeks, my first reaction was holy **** where do I even begin.
[Epic 4G General] Phen0m:
But if you want something bad enough, you will fight for it no? You know what I did when I wanted to learn? I went to the Captivate and the vibrant and EVO and as many other forums as I could to read to understand basic Android practices.

Things wont always be handed to you(not you, people in general), sometimes you have to show initiative and along the way, your brain will adjust to this new knowledge, and the foreign language will become recognizable.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
No, a majority of people will just post a new thread asking for others to tell them the information they seek. And there is no excuse for not having an "Epic 4g XDA User Manual" or something similar sticky. It wouldn't only be awesome for newcomers, but it would be helpful for everyone. Wouldn't you like to know there is a sticky where links to Odin and one click root and everything else was at all times?
[Epic 4G General] Dj21o:
People are lazy as ****. I don't blame you for leaving one bit. This site is nothing but a daycare center now.
[Epic 4G General] purebishop:
Yet another thread full of whining. Later, guys.
[Epic 4G General] nikon120:
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That's about all this thread amounts to after 9 pages/86 posts already.

Funny enough, most of the nonsense (attitude, complaints and defensiveness) I've been reading in threads these last 5-6 weeks remind me of an MMORPG forum I frequented a few years back, haha. Ahhh memories...

OP: Enjoy the freed up time.