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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Wow, I've been reading through this forum after receiving my second WP7 device. I was an avid android user and built my own custom roms on there and never once did I come across one thing (despite people like Cyanogenmod who do amazing things) that ever came close to comparing the feel and the general UI of windows phone 7. Yes, android is great in the gaming department and being able to get ANY app free was nice but that novelty wears off and then what do you have except an ugly UI that's laggy and overdone. The multiple launchers were not a bad thing either, too bad almost all of them seemed like distros of eachother with one or two extra features. The best one I stumbled across was windows phone android which was a slow boring cheap imitation of the windows phone 7 metro UI. Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the best android can do. Really, should you base an entire UI on the fact that the game developers have invested more into android in 2 years than they have in WP7 in 3 months? We've progressed exponentially faster than android in these 3 months and are continuing to snowball. Oh, but you cant copy and paste or use your phone as a USB drive? Well, who needs to, I don't use my phone as a thumb drive, I have an 8 dollar flash drive for that. I use it as a multimedia device with live streaming video, slacker radio, and zune player, I use it as a camera with a quick draw camera that can go from locked to camera mode in the time it takes to pull it from your pocket. I use it as a web browsing device with a browser that despite the lack of flash has already functioned on more websites than androids ever did for me. I use it for gaming, seamless gaming, we may not have the quantity of games yet but I've always been a firm believer in quality over quantity. And most of all I use it as a phone, beautiful dialer, clear sound, and no hanging up with my face. I'm sorry that I dont have to use my phone as a disk drive, I dont find it necessary to put a new rom on my phone every 30 minutes just to get my phone fully functional. I have no need for it when I can just copy my multimedia files over. Copy and paste on a phone? Really how lazy are you... I mean seriously it's not hard to type and if you're handling word documents on your phone then let me introduce you to a laptop, it's portable and you dont have to look like a douchebag for typing on it for long periods of time. I do not get the hostility towards WP7 users aside from the fact that we are an obvious threat to that niche android has carved itself amongst the low-end device world. Android was great as a low-end device but I wanted to move on up to something a little more adult.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bubby323:
To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device. Diving even further into the matter, calling an open source platform anything short of amazing in today's society would be an understatment. To bash the flow of custom roms present on android is to say you don't expect more out of belittled hardware your holding in your very hands. Your saying having the same old ui on every windows phone 7 device you hold isn't a waste of perfectly capable hardware? You also argue android phones are limited to flashing custom roms to get the most out of your phone. Hmm..I know plenty of satisfied people, including my own mother, who are perfectly happy with their android phone stock. Bashing custom roms like they're a bad thing is destroying the foundation xda devlopers is even built on, it's heart and soul. We get it your happy with your purchase, cool. Move on with life no need to share your opinion on an openminded forum filled with trolls and geeks willing to dispute their case over and over and over. :P In all seriousness the Zune HD interface was mind-blowing, a phone based on that, again amazing. The thing that drags most every amazing ui and platform down is it not being open.

You also admitted to pirating apps in writing, and bashed custom roms you created? Hm..
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Lol. I kind of agree with this.

Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.

It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Thanks for your input, as a once vibrant user I do apologize for any loss of sanity that may occur. The galaxy S series is just garish to anyone who really USES their phone as something more than a phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I'm looking at other phones to get rid of this one at the moment.

I'm even considering a Blackberry Bold 9780, that's how terrible my experience with this phone is.

After CES if nothing spectacular is coming out I'll open another line and then sell this one to ETF the other line, but keep my current SIM card (changing phone numbers yet again... will anger many people I know :P).

I'm keeping up on WP7 because I like that they double up as Zune HDs. Unfortunately I don't think the devices out right now really scratch my itch.

My coworkers all hate me for getting Android phones banned on our Exchange server after I lost my first Vibrant and IT found out they didn't support Remote Wipe :<
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Hrm, maybe I'll try to strike a deal on Craigslist or something. I have an extra HD2 lying around I can probably score a deal on, especially with the Android NAND project delivering a functional ROM for that phone... I've never tried Android on that phone, but I guess it's pretty popular these days (especially since the last week ro so)!
[Windows Phone 7 General] radeon_x:
Couldn't disagree more. From an everyday use point of view the galaxy s beats wp7 hands down. My wife disagrees of course - she loves her Optimus 7 (save for the lack of turn by turn nav). Point is everyone has different expectations from there phone.

Surely a "grown up" wp7 user like yourself can understand that :).

Sent from my GT-I9000M
[Windows Phone 7 General] greenbrd:
Are there a lot of adults out there who feel the need to carry their Xbox avatars in their pockets?

Because according to Microsoft's own ad campaign, playing Xbox games without getting in trouble is the "best" part of the phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvPQHZDOs

How adult.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
@Radeon, I completely agree on the part where each of us have different needs, my comment was more directed at the hostility surrounding our forum by android users. If I wanted to attack an OS without reason I'd hit iphone.

@Greenbird, I've stated time and time again that Microsofts ad-campaign managers need to be taken out back and bludgeoned to death with iphones (so that garbage can get some kind of use) My original impression of the HD7 thanks to them was, "Oh joy, It's a 4.3 inch screen and 1 gHz processor that is meant to be taken out of my pocket for about 5 seconds to swipe and check my updates then go. It seemed completely impractical. They undersell the UI in every ad and it's completely nonsensical. I do enjoy the occasional game of fruit ninja but I can honestly say this is the only phone ive had since before Windows mobile 2003 that I didnt feel it was necessary for me to install third party apps to make the phone great.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
LMAO, seriously. These kiddies came flying out of the gates to defend their beloved wack OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] greenbrd:
LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
nah, more like we don't have to tweak and cook roms just to make our phones work "ok" much less at an optimized pace like WP7 phones operate at. If I still want to tweak I have my WM6.5 device. But no thanks, finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] greenbrd:
But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?

Wow. Where do I sign up?
[Windows Phone 7 General] c010:
Everyone has their own expectation for their daily use phone. Some only want to use the phone to make calls and SMS, some might use the phone to its full potential like email, surf, social networking and even games.

But there is an important fact that we need to aware of, there are phone savvy users and "idiot" users. A savvy user will expect more from their daily used phone and they will never satisfy with the performance of the phone. A very good example, i have both Galaxy S and Omnia 7. The problem is i am always looking forward in flashing new ROMs for my Galaxy S in order to achieve better performance. I would say its a never ending story until nobody releases new ROMs. For non savvy user, they will never know what's good or bad, as long as they can make calls and SMS, they will be satisfied. Most importantly, a 70 year old user is also able to adapt to the phone easily.

Therefore, i would say MS has done a good job in WP7, a very solid platform. No whatsoever performance issue. Hence its definitely a very powerful platform catering to non savvy user.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
And Android does what? Pirated apps, Wifi hotspot and plenty of lags and crashes? I'm duly impressed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
+1. The dev. support that Android has it what makes it MUCH better than it is in stock form. WM6 has more capabilities than Android, just less developer support and worse advertising. Android phones got great hype from Verizon (the Droids) and T-Mobile, so that's where it won half the battle; by getting people excited for it. And yet WM6.5 devices can still own Android devices in every way possible. Does the general public know this? Nope...they just buy what they're told like the sheep they are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
2 years later and androids Facebook sync is abysmal at best. The games are good as long as you have the absolute latest phone and don't mind digging through 6000 fart apps. The mp3 player is worse than carrying a Walkman and you still can't sync most Yahoo mail accounts without a 3rd party app.
[Windows Phone 7 General] c010:
First of all, i was trying to explain different type or user has different expectation from the phone. if the phone is easy to use, no performance issue, there is no reason for them to flash the ROM frequently.

Secondly, i flashed my Galaxy S frequently, not WP7 and i never mentioned anything about tech savvy, its phone savvy. Another example, there is a friend of mine (non phone savvy user, first time using smart phone). He bought a desire and basically he was confused on the widgets. Dont even know how to arrange or setup the widget properly. Put it this way, given a non phone savvy user an android (some user may find it difficult to use), WinMo 6.5 vs iphone or WP7, they might find iphone or WP7 are much easier to adapt.

Some user might even think market is not their cup of tea to certain extend. what they need to do with the phone is calls, sms, surf. If iphone users are happy with appstore, why there are people trying their very best to by pass appstore by jailbreaking their phone to install "crack" apps? And again, non phone savvy user will definitely not able to do so because they dont even know what's jailbreaking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] c010:
end of the day, what user need is a stable and solid platform where they dont need any tweaking of ROM. I am sick of flashing ROMs, still remember those days when i was using WinMo and android (currently own one) without flashing its ROM, i will never get a "satisfied" phone. Given a choice, i rather prefer a phone that dont need much tweaking.

So far there are only 2 smart phones in my mind that dont need any tweaking in order to obtain performance satisfaction, iPhone & WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I know exactly what you meant, why would you flash a stock rom over a stock rom because currently that is all we have. I'm very phone savvy, I actually still have a Dell Streak for a few particular games but all in all the OS is just terrible, without the app developers it wouldve failed harder than webOS but with google backing it it was more or less set up. People who jailbreak their iphones are the sad cases who bought an iphone because they wanted the top of the line phone of the time and have yet to realize they were ripped off because they're now representing a phone that's more useful as toilet paper than a phone. They jailbreak it because they want some benefits to it. I may "jailbreak" my windows phone 7 when its fully functional but the thing is I dont need to to make it good. It's better than any other phone OS (market aside) without having to hack it by any means. Of course jailbreaking it would make it even better but for the time being windows is in the lead with only minimal support. Hell in 2 months they sold what android did in their first 9 and the app store grows exponentially faster. Once the app store beats out androids android will be obsolete except to the low end devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Ew, comparing WP7 to that garbage is depressing. The sync is terrible on iOS it's got the physical appeal of a schoolbus fire and saying that it functions when it comes to texting is like saying you can text with a Fisher Price See and Say, the auto-correct is terrible. WP7 has it beat in its first iteration hands down
[Windows Phone 7 General] c010:
hahahhaa, i like the way you described. iOS sync is not that bad after all comparing to WP7. Texting also i would say is as good as WP7, my personal experience.

yes i totally agree with your point. Its still very early to judge WP7 despite its been out for less than 2 months. Market need time to grow and most importantly, its working fine out of the box without any tweaking. There are plenty of rooms for WP7 to improve, lets give MS some time and see what they can do in near future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I think my reasoning behind the sync statement is the fact that its contact sync with most email clients and Facebook are as poor as androids. There are a plethora of sites dedicated to iPhones poor auto correct. Its depressingly unintelligent
[Windows Phone 7 General] Niiceg:
I was Android fan. Android is not good. Why? Okey my reasons.

Fragmentation. I know everyone hears that a lot. Android fanboys and girls, shut up. It's horrible. There are many **** devices and good devices, but do they all get the update to new software? No. Many people just buy another with new software. And when google releases and update Androidies have to wait 1-never years to get update for their phones. So many people download games and etc. and they don't work for their phones... And you don't get new Software...

Market. It's a peace of ****. You have to download other programs to filter farts, sexy wallpapers, porn and etc. And just a small percentage leaves to normal apps. And many games don't work on a lot of devices.

Openness. Cariers and manufacturers can put a lot of ****, which stops Software updates. Like Desire, normal users for 2.2 first and after a lot of time Orange users got that too. Sense, Touchwiz and etc. They are really needed to get Android a little more polished feeling, but they stop from updating too, it takes longer time to update. WP7 doesn't need Sense and other **** to look and work normally. It doesn't need Roms, which a lot of people flash everyday or once a week and etc. Roms are horrible thing, it just proves, that Android is ****, it needs Roms to be normal.

That's it for now. As I said, I was Android fan, but not anymore. I had Desire and now I have Desire Z... They both suck when compared to WP7 phones
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
What is it that you spend your time on with Android or WinMo? Tweaking to make it work how it should already work. WP7 already works the way it should.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
mix in a couple of paragraphs bro.

you basically just started a thread re-iterating all of crap people have been saying since WP7 came out. I don't get it. You want to complain that Android "fanboys" (basically when you don't have anything intelligent to back up your argument you refer to puerile name calling nebulous names that don't even mean anything) come in here and crap on your forum, then you open a thread in WP7 bashing Android with a bunch of arbitrary and subjective opinions as if it were fact.

You are just baiting with a galactically stupid post offering no socially redeeming qualities whatsoever. To go one by one and refute your unintelligent takes would be an exercise in futility because you have already demonstrated your lack of cranial capacity to even fathom reasonable conversation.

You claim WP7 is a phone for "adults" but you actually have to be able to process information like an adult to opine such and not all of your synapses are firing it seems.

You have fun with your WP7 device, I am sympathetic to the fact that you do not have the mental capacity to operate a more intricate and sophisticated device.

Anyone who actually wants people to see the great fruits WP7 brings to the table should feel embarrassed that this guy is attempting to represent you in this cause.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
That's adorable, come in here and argue absolutely zero points and call me an idiot because I stated mine. I had the HD2 which was an amazing device and with days and days of tweaking it was actually functional though I had to install a new mobile shell, a new keyboard, a new email program, a new dialer, a new SMS program, and pretty much rebuild the UI from scratch before it was usable. I then flashed android onto it, what a joy that turned out to be with all the SOD on an already laggy operating system. I understand that that has now been for the most part resolved but from what I hear battery life isn't doing too much better. If I wanted a phone that I had to create myself then I'd jump right back on my HD2 but sometimes it's nice to have a phone and OS that's truly functional right out of the box. I mean it took android over 2 years to come up with a good stock keyboard. However, I do applaud you for attacking my mental capacity without reason and using a lot of multi-syllable words. I hope that you didn't spend too much time on thesaurus.com.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
I'm not even going to bother reading the garbage I just quoted.

You didn't take my advice and insist on just having an insanely long hard to look at super giant paragraph which, without having to read, is undoubtedly filled with more of the same idiotic biased android hate based on things you don't understand.

I shall peace out and visit this thread no more, just reflect on what you really want out of life, because no-doubt you approach other facets of life with this degree of misinformation and bigotry.

Try approaching things with some degree of respect and actual understanding and you may make it yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Again, just adorable. You continue to attack ones intelligence without reason. I stated that I was an android fanboy prior to the release of WP7 and did quite a bit of tinkering myself including building my own roms. Regardless of what you said I know you likely read that reply and will more than likely come back and read this one because you seem like just that flavor of troll. Because of this I would like to throw my own advice in that doesn't make it sound like I'm going well off my beaten path in a failed attempt to sound intelligent. If you're going to troll do it intelligently. Don't just come in and use fratboy insults in college level dialogue then expect to have any respect passed your way. I likely have a more thorough understanding of the inner workings of android than you (maybe not wm6.5 but I honestly wouldn't be shocked) and I still have a distaste for it whenever I see WP7. Regardless of your ability to admit it everyone knows that the only reason android made it is the same as the only reason 6.5 made it. It was developer support. WP7 is the first UI that doesnt need everything redesigned before it seems fully functional and even iOS comes closer and I despise iOS with every fiber of my being.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pr5owner:
both platforms suck, android just sucks less.

missing from WP7

just about everything, it feels like a crippled 1st gen iphone 4 (i have and am using an LG optimus 7 quantum hoping they will uncripple this thing)

no custom tones (deal breaker for me)

no file browser (deal breaker for me)

no bluetooth transfer (deal breaker for me)

crippled bluetooth (cant even dial a number through my car )

no Tasks or SMS sync on exchage (what i really needed the phone for)

no UMS (deal breaker for me)

no RDP

no hidden SSID connectivity (deal breaker for me, cant connect at half the clients)

no FRACKING SPACES in your exchange username (WTF is this? i had to get my login, scripts and folders renamed for the stupid thing to connect) (deal breaker for me)

no tethering/BT PAN (deal breaker for me)

zune software is annoying, at least it doesnt crash and BSOD like the first revision (Zune 30GB release version was so bad)

no ability to change DNS server or ip address with apn (did they forget about these settings?)

there is more but i dont feel like typing them out

Missing from android [desire, desire z, liquid E, milestone, and x10)

task and SMS sync (deal breaker for me)

front facing 3g video calling (dont see any available where i am, but not a deal breaker)

no office 2010 support (deal breaker for me)

Windows Mobile 6.5 [Energy Rom] (Sony X1)

Slow as hell but does everything

all that said, WP7 has serious potential, the UI is smooth and super easy to use, it just needs functionality which is 100% fixed by software (except the front facing cam)

WP7 with the abilities of WM6.5 is perfect
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
Go away. Seriously.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It's kinda sad that you failed to mention numerous flaws in android but I guess if they dont affect you personally they arent there. Also WM6.5 was just sad. I'm suprised they recuperated after that. The only people who used it (I know because I'm one of them) are people who wanted to spend weeks customizing their phone before it was halfway useful without a stylus. WP7 despite its shortcomings is still better than a complete WM6.5 build. You will never get a user frinedly device with WM 6.5.

Also just in case its not realized the quote is edited.