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[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lchiu7:
My orignal N1 had problems with a pink tinge on all photos, erratic touch (surprise!) and very slow wifi speed (it could take up to 30s to load a page from a high speed wifi connection).

I finally sick of this and so called HTC and requested a RMA. Since Ididn't want to be without my phone I chose the option where they send you a refurb, put a hold on your CC and wait for you to send one back.

Anyway got the replacement phone, put the SIM card and SD card in and sync'ed it back with Google. Most of the apps installed okay and there was a firmware push to 2.2.1 [As an aside, I lost data on most of my apps so the Google sync doesn't seem to sync the data in applications]

The new phone seemed to work better with faster browsing and hardly a trace of the pink tinge but now randomly reboots. What's worse is when it reboots, it goes into a reboot loop and the only way out is to remove the battery.

Also when it reboots, often it cannot find the SD Card and I have to reboot again.

Finally when I move apps from Phone memory to the SD Card I get a message error in moving application (or words to that effect) but I can try again and it works. The SD Card is fine and I have done a CHKDSK under Windows to make sure it has no errors.

So I called up HTC and they are going to send yet another one. I sure hope this one works okay else yet another RMA.

What sort of QA do HTC do anyway?
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestX0019:
Just for s---s and giggles did you try backing up sd card, reformatting with sdformatter outside the phone then copying data back onto card. If you do use full erase option on sd formatter.

Of course, if you have an ext you will need to repartition before copying data back to card.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lchiu7:
No because just powering the phone off and on again gets the card back. So it's unlikely the card is faulty.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestX0019:
Just a thought--these phones don't seem to do the logical :)
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lchiu7:
Maybe I will crack open my Nexus S and try that out instead:)
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestX0019:
There ya go!

Don't look for an sd card though :)
[Vibrant General] runal:
I've got this replacement phone because of Gps and I immediatelly installed Nero V3. This rom is amazing but latelly without me activating it Google Voice Search poping up randomly. My fingers are nowhere close to the magnifying glass button or mic butoon in keyboard. Reboot doesn't help, sometimes it happens a lot and sometimes less. It could be a hardware issue where capacitive button fires itself or software issue. Has anyone seen this happenning before?
[Vibrant General] Kingfanpaul:
I"m having a similar problem and have not been able to find a fix. The voice search will keep popping up randomly and the search soft key light will flash a few times. After it stops bugging out, all of the soft keys won't work. So, then I either have to reboot or leave it alone for a while and then the keys will work again. frustrating.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thedude00:
Is anyone using this rom? if so i been using it for 2 day now i i really do like it but the one thing that i cant seem to fix is that it randomly reboot. Is this happening to any one else if so have you found a way to stop the random rebooting
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] njfoses:
Post in the miui thread. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=823494
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XyberTripX:
GO TO DOWNLOADS PAGE, THEN READ FAQ's

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!

YA BABY GET SUM
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigmoogle:
This is my favorite rom. I keep coming back to it. It seems changing kernels can solve the reboot problem although WHAT kernel works differs from phone to phone.

Check the miui dev forums for recommendations.

FWIW, I'm using Salvage 1.2 cfs havs on the 12.24 and so far no reboots. I'm also on wifi (when it usually happens)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mbh87:
you need to flash a different kernel. i also recommend savage.
[Vibrant General] tornado76:
Same old song and dance...

http://twitter.com/Samsungtweets
[Vibrant General] iceman1251:
lol this is whats holding them up according to them "complexity/unique functionality"... i couldnt wait any longer so i rooted yesterday and installed nero v3..... im glad i did it.
[Vibrant General] tornado76:
I've been running the leaks and couldn't be happier. Why wouldn't they make all Galaxy S devices the same besides the obvious radios for different carriers. Why not just release one version of the phone so the complexity and unique functionality would not be an issue?

I am also putting some blame on the carriers for molesting the phones with their crap too.
[Vibrant General] jmcghee1973:
Ok ....so all the blame going on between Samsung & T-Mobile is really all Samsung holding it up???
[Vibrant General] iceman1251:
i think the carriers wanted different versions of the phone too. I guess to set themselves apart from each other....
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
Well, keep the aesthetics different but leave the internal system the same (well minus the Epic since it has a hardware keyboard), they dug their own grave in this department.
[Vibrant General] brian_v3ntura:
its really hasnt be samsung all along.. its still up to the carriers to approve the software.
[Vibrant General] Damonkashu:
haha, android 2.2 is so last year, 2.3 should be the one they are worried about
[Vibrant General] phrozenflame:
Knowing Samsung, lets not get ahead of our selves..low expectations are key to happiness here. ;)
[Vibrant General] AustinKnight45:
At the rate sammy is going we will all be due for a phone upgrade before we even see 2.3 but knowing them they won't support it cause they want you to buy the nexus s.
[Vibrant General] icarianecho:
Haha, yall hoping to see a Vibrant running 2.3 in your hand better forget Sammy & hope that Gbread proof morphs into a daily driver instead

Nero v3 + XDA app = possimpostability
[Vibrant General] brian_v3ntura:
i wouldnt say samsung wants consumers the nexus s.... IMO i dont think samsung even cares abt nexus s sales as subsidies and carrier variety is what really average consumers care about. plus samsung makes a bunch of money doing other things than just smart phone.
[Vibrant General] quadratic:
Yeah, the software provided by Samsung. If Samsung's build is buggy, the carrier obviously can't approve it.

I don't know why people keep blaming the carriers. While they may insist on certain programs or functionality, the software is ultimately Samsung's responsibility.
[Vibrant General] gongonzabarfarbin:
Froyo is starting to sound like "Wolf" to me.
[Vibrant General] lexluthor:
No way to blame the carriers here. If it was there fault, how do you explain that all other similar class phones have had froyo for 3-4 months already? How'd those all get approved?

It's all on samsung here.
[Vibrant General] kennyp987:
They have been saying next week for over six months.....their top selling device has become less of a priority that's all there is to it.

Vibrant + Axura 2.2.5.5 + SuperIO Kernel + JL1 Modem
[Vibrant General] couped:
You guys are getting that the froyo has to be an update and not a flash. There can't be any mistakes.
[Vibrant General] down8:
And those are different how...?

-bZj
[Vibrant General] GenTsoChkn:
Speaking of not all being the same.. I have gotten at least seven people to also buy Galaxy phones, but most are with Verizon or AT&T. This past Friday it really sucked that my Verizon friends were able to take lots of pictures inside of the dueling piano bar because of the flash and I couldn't do ****.
[Vibrant General] KerryG:
If a flash was important to you then why did you knowingly buy a phone that didn't have one? You can't blame TMO or Samsung for a poor purchase decision.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
Flashing, using odin per something similar to change to any rom.

Updating, when you go from 1 rom and update it to a newer one, cant "update" to random roms
[Vibrant General] Terrier Hockey:
That's one argument, yes, but it's also a little silly for Samsung when you think about it: a flash is such a trivial feature, why not have it on the phone?
[Vibrant General] :
Hey, as long as we get it before the next version of Android comes out...

But seriously: What exactly IS the problem? They didn't have to write the OS; Google did that. All they should have to write is drivers, which A) are their own drivers for their own hardware, and B) should have been easy to modify from the 2.1 drivers.

I get why CM6 development is slow; they don't have source code, they don't have the drivers, and they aren't being paid. Samsung doesn't have any of those problems.
[Vibrant General] RobBull69:
Samsung has too many projects going at once which is probably the main culprit. In addition to Android, they're pushing their own Bada platform and WP7 (although MSFT isn't allowing them to slap TouchWiz on it, so there shouldn't be as much work). TouchWiz creates its own set of issues versus vanilla Android. I'd also buy into the conspiracy theory that they're holding back to boost Nexus S sales. They also have a history of using great hardware, but run a shoestring budget on software and support.
[Vibrant General] subzerold:
I had a discussion with a T-Mo rep.... he explained to me that the Vibrant originally was MADE W/ FFC. But T-Mo stripped it out because it was more expensive per/phone which maximizes profit. Which leads me to believe that its not SAMSUNG thats the culprit (if it was then why would all the other phones get better support). T-Mo ****ty cheap ass is. They not only want people buy more NEXUS ****s but they probably are making samsung delay their ota. Which is why SAMSUNG has been releasing leaks to help out those of us who are intelligent enough to use them.

Or maybe samsung can't figure out a way to give us 2.2 (wish it was 2.3) without wiping our phones. Which soccer moms that cant afford iphones would go crazy over.
[Vibrant General] Dougefresh91:
I think you said it: not enough man power. Samsung seems to be all about the numbers, and with ten million Galaxy S phones sold I'd say it's mission accomplished. My guess is they're already concentrating on the next line of phones instead of supporting the ones already launched. It's a shame because hardware-wise this phone is great, but in the future I will not give my money to a company that doesn't support their own products. At the very least they should release the source code so the devs can do what they won't.
[Vibrant General] lexluthor:
So then how do you explain that AT&T, Verizon, Sprint AND T-Mobile Galaxy S variants all don't yet have 2.2?
[Vibrant General] Kwaii49:
im curious lol is there anyone who preordered this device and is STILL waiting for froyo?
[Vibrant General] salazar.r1:
I'm running Obsidian v 4.2 and I'm really happy with it so far. I'm not really holding my breath for an official build any time soon which sucks for my wife! Guess I could load a tom on her's too but oh well.
[Vibrant General] shoman24v:
The only issue here is US galaxy phones don't have 2.2. Whether its a carrier issue or Samsung I don't know. I'm leaning toward Samsung.
[Vibrant General] brian_v3ntura:
would you like me to explain how other similiar class phones have froyo already? BECAUSE EVERY PHONE IS DIFFERENT. its been clear samsung has been working on froyo for the TMO US vibrant for some time now with all the leaks. so dont be an ignant. both samsung and the carriers are at fault here. samsung to dev, TMO to tweak and approve, and google servers to distribute an OTA.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
You people are way too desperate to defend Samsung.

Every phone is different. You're right. HTC and Motorolo and rolling out FroYo for all of their "different" high end phones, and even released a bunch of different phone out of the gate with 2.2.

Samsung didn't release any of their high end devices with 2.2 - NONE.

It's Samsung, not the damn carriers.
[Vibrant General] MMcCraryNJ:
It's both.
[Vibrant General] Ms_Vibrant:
what about other motorola phones? do they have froyo yet? LOL .. LOL

milestone? backflip? devour? LOL

motorola seems to only care for the droid lines.. other than that , they are not that great either..

in conclusion, HTC is the best with updates...

so which would you choose?

htc for the timely updates but not so great hardware?

or samsung for their great hardware but pathetic update support?

LOL

i believe samsung is taking too long to release the update, but i cant blame them as they have to work too much to make the update ' simple unique blah blah functionality'..

custom UI/touchwiz overlay

different hardware/design

adding and removing features (bloatwares)

and to make sure that the update wont brick the devices like it did on canadian ones..
[Vibrant General] MMcCraryNJ:
I think the only reason updates were bricking phones was because of the different lag fixes people had, and updating to JI6 over any type of custom ROM. I remember when it came out people were saying "OMG it bricked my phone! It was totally stock except it was rooted and had the OCLF and some apps removed!" Well then the phone was obviously not stock when you hit update.

I have yet to hear of an unrooted, unmodified Vibrant being perma-bricked by the JI6 update.
[Vibrant General] hitman818:
Htc does not have great hardware? Are you serious? It has the best hardware. A lot of their phones have alluminum and metal hardware. Samsung is pure cheap plastic.
[Vibrant General] pdefazio:
HA! Please tell me you are joking with this post.
[Vibrant General] donalgodon:
That's true for some of their phones. The HD2 was built like a tank. I dropped mine on concrete without so much as a scuff mark, but we didn't get WP7 for it either! :D
[Vibrant General] draikz:
WOW, LOL. Nice going.

But yeah, please tell me that you're kidding. I wasn't going to post on this topic, was just lurking, but your post made me rage :mad:
[Vibrant General] pdefazio:
News Flash: cases and outer shells are not normally considered "Hardware"

Processors, chips, camera, NAND, etc...THAT is the hardware.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
HTC is so into Qualcomm. They'll always be behind the curve when it comes to hardware.

HTC isn't that quick with the software. They still SHIP phones with 2.1 and have left phones on 1.5
[Vibrant General] lexluthor:
Right, so you just proved my point. I guess you are saying that samsung designed their phones poorly so that froyo doesn't work right?

the carriers have the same crapware on their other phones too.

verizon has updated both the incredible and droid x 3-4 months ago, how could it be that it's their fault there is no update to their galaxy s? It just makes no sense at all to me that anyone could thing that. Please explain how.

Telling me the hardware is different means it IS samsung's fault.

It's just crazy that samsung is going to take 6 months MORE than htc and moto to update phones released around the same time. There's no excuse for it. None.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Lots of mid range devices are missing the storage apace or other specs to run later versians well. Perhaps You should educate uraelf a bit about system requirements.

The Droid line sells more phones, so they are higher priority. They sell for almost the same subsidized price as the midrange devices. Also, motor has non-droid phones on froyo. Even atmosphere as one. LG as well.

Samsung is the only major OEM which failed to deliver a smartphone with froyo on it out the bat, and the only one with a high end smartphone out on several carriers without an update 5-6 months later.

Try as hard as you want. They are indefensible.

HTC has low/mid range devices without froyo as well. Moto and HTC didn't fail as hard on their flagships as Samsung tho.

I'm sure your response will be to ask me why I don't just buy a new phone, and why I'm here tho.

It always is...

I choose motor. Droid line hardware and build quality is superior to HTC and almost on par with Samsung, and software support much better than Samsung. They're the obvious compromise. I would have thought that quite obvious.
[Vibrant General] RobBull69:
The company sold 10 million devices. You'd think they could spring for a few more software engineers. If the company wanted to run on the cheap, they could open up the code and document it well. They'd be able to do what Google does : run a lean operation (for Android) and have the community add to the OS. Look at the changelog for AOSP.

Sent from my frozen yogurt powered Vibrant
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Also every OEM has to do what you said Samsung has to do. That's an ignorant (and laughable) excuse you're trying to make for them there.
[Vibrant General] AustinKnight45:
I like masters new froyo rom prob going to run it tell the wheels fall off. Did you know sammy makes money on other things then smart phones, really no chit brian thx for the insider trader tip. I really dont see us getting froyo anytime soon its all sammy working on stacking moe money, moe money, moe money with those other things sammy makes other then smart phones lol.
[Vibrant General] lexluthor:
Couldn't agree more. Frankly, I'm pretty stunned that anyone is trying to say the carriers are a large part of the blame here.

Sure, if the carriers didn't put in all of their customizations, updates would come faster, but updates for the others phones would have come faster than they did as well, so that's a wash for all of the OEMs.

We are looking at Samsung taking 6 months more than other OEMs. Think about how bad that is. The average life of a phone is probably 18-24 months. 6 months extra, which is about 9 months in total (from the release of froyo) is half the life of the phone. 9 months to take Froyo from google release to hand off to customers. That's insane.

And that's all assuming we actually get it in the next month or two. I'm not so sure about that at this point.
[Vibrant General] os2baba:
I totally agree. My next phone will most certainly be an HTC. I also don't know why people think that HTC doesn't make good hardware. I think they make the best smart phones in the world. I agree that the Samsung Galaxy S specifically is better. But apart from this phone, HTC phones are better than Samsung phones.

The fact that they have Gingerbread on pretty much the same device as this, should tell us that this is 100% Samsung's fault. Not releasing all the source code and drivers is 100% Samsung's fault. Forget Froyo, we should have had Gingerbread on this by now. The reason I bought this phone was that I thought selling one devices all over the world will result in huge sales of one specific device (It did) and there would be developers swarming making custom ROMs on this device. No disrespect to the devs who are doing a terrific job despite Samsung, but I have used Cyanogenmod on the EVO and it's a much better experience - in spite of the Vibrant being a better device.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
Win.

10 char
[Vibrant General] boimarc89:
I regret buying a Samsung phone. Im waiting on my FFC to come so i can atleast have a reason to keep for a while. Im just gonna wait until HTC comes out w/ another beast Android phone for Tmobile like the the Desire HD, If not, ima sell my Vibrant and use the money to cancel Tmobile and Switch to the HTC Incredible HD on Verizon
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
I think Moto and Samsung make better hardware than HTC. HTC is a middle ground between a low cost assembler and a premium OEM hardware manufacturer like Moto and Samsung. Samsung makes better screens and chips. Moto tends to make phones with superior reception and call quality. HTC is inferior to both of them, but their software and support it much better than the other two, with Moto in second place.

HTC build quality is generally above Samsung and below Moto, though.

Their phones are decent. They overspec them nicely, so that and the fast[er] updates and better software make their phones a good investment in most cases (I'm speaking high end smartphones not low-mid ranged devices that almost no manufacturer cares about).

It's unfortunate that in the US we have to deal with locked phones with specific radio bands and GSM vs. CDMA devices.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Most of the 2.1 devices are mid-ranged devices that have dubious specs. People who have upgraded some of those devices experience performance drops due to the slow processors and low RAM in them. Those devices aren't made to be future proof. They're just cheap devices the manufacturers throw out there for the carriers to subsidize down to $0-$49 soon after launch for people who are going from Feature Phones to smartphones (and make some extra money). Some of them are so underpowered that they are sold with Feature Phone plans, even.

We're talking about high end smartphones that most people expect to be somewhat future-proof.

What you're doing is putting e.g. a Nexus One in the same category of the HTC Aria and assuming the target demographics of those users have the same expectations. That's not true.

That being said. It looks like HTC is rolling out FroYo to the Asian Aria, and it may come to the US in due time.
[Vibrant General] Drewstein:
I'll throw another more plausible theory at you than "Samsung hates us". How about the fact they have to support the 2.2 swap on several different Galaxy S devices at the same time. Some have FFC while others don't and some have keyboards while others don't etc.

The Incredible is one model as well as the X while Samsung has what, 3 models?

That could easily take an extra 3-6 months from a development standpoint, especially if you want to release 2.2 for all SGS devices at once.
[Vibrant General] lexluthor:
Sure, that's a fine theory, but its one that also pins the blame fully on samsung for the delay. They should have known this and either hired more people, not promised froyo sooner or not allowed all of the variants.
[Vibrant General] os2baba:
I think barring the Samsung Galaxy S with the better display and GPU, there is no other phone that is better than the HTC top models. My brother-in-law has the G2 and it runs circles around the Vibrant. There is absolutely no lag at all. I don't like the hinge and I think the smallest display I'll go in for now will be 4". But apart from that, the G2 with supposedly poorer hardware runs better than the Vibrant.

I thought it may have been because of the RFS, but I installed Nero3 with Voodoo a couple of days ago and it still lags when scrolling through a long list. Didn't see that on the G2. In fairness, I should mention that I have about a 100 apps on the Vibrant and the G2 had maybe a quarter of that. So it's not an Apples to Apples comparison. When I'm updating a bunch of apps, the moment an app starts to get into the post download install phase, my Vibrant is completely unusable. The G2 doesn't even break into a sweat. Again, I thought it was a problem with RFS. But the problem persists even with voodoo.

The GPS on my Vibrant is flakey when it works. The G1 never had a problem with GPS.

On paper the Vibrant is awesome and the display most certainly is. But for whatever reason, the phone just doesn't quite live up to its potential.

I haven't used an Android moto phone, but am less than impressed by the ones that I have used. If HTC weren't around, I would have probably tried Moto. But from now on, unless something changes, I'm sticking with HTC.

Actually, the LG Optimus is a surprisingly snappy performer. I'm going to keep an eye out on high end LG phones as well.

In any event, this is almost certainly the last Samsung I'll be buying. And I have purchased 3 of these BTW. My wife and my sister have the Vibrant as well.