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[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
But the thing is, you'll have to understand. They painstakingly created the applications with pride, ending up having consumers not appreciating them and attempting to remove them.

I'm a designer myself. I know the feeling of putting efforts into creating something, then clients asked to remove this element and that. All those efforts gone down the drain.

If I were the phone-maker, I, too, will try means and ways to prevent hackers from meddling with my stuff.

If you don't like Mediascape and Timescape or any of the built-in stuff, get a HTC phone. They won't have the abovementioned stuff, so you won't need to hack them just to remove them.

You'll have to accept the phone you bought for what it is. Just like you'll have to accept how your children are gonna be born like.

Anyway, I still believe we are gonna be stuck with 2.1. Not that I'm complaining. I mean, FRIGGIN LIVE WALLPAPERS!!!! What more can we ask for? Lol.
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
That doesn't really work in the world of retail. Because if people don't like what you're offering, they'll simply look elsewhere and your efforts truly are wasted as you don't even sell your product.
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
That's why they are still standing. Cos they have people like us who thinks that Timescape and Mediascape are great!

I think they've adopted the if-you-don't-like-it-then-don't-buy-it-we-will-definitely-find-someone-who-is-willing-to-buy-it mentality.

The fact is still that the Earth is not dominated by tech geeks. There'll still be a handful of customers who buy it because it looks nice and seems to have lotsa cool functions.
[XPERIA X10 General] progresnew:
Tous les fabricants ont des problèmes ,il vaut mieux avoir du retard version qui au moins est au point ,que d'avoir des problèmes de qualité de matériel comme Htc j'en ai eu trois et ils ont tous eu un problème d'écran cassé ,pixels mort ou autres défault et croyez moi la garantie est nulle je n'ai jamais eu cela chez Se et je change tous les trois quatre mois d'appareil
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
Hey, I agree with you, and I think that Timescape if you could fully control the timing of the updates, I would let it update, it's sorta neat. SE is very experienced with Java and I would have expected them to be more aware of the performance impact of the damned thing. Also better integration with whatever Twitter app you have on the phone.

With a rooted phone and generic firmware, I was able to uninstall, Moxier, Wisepilot et al, which I would NEVER use. To me it's a waste of space. Quadrapop? Creatatouch? Well, my daughter made a pretty good wallpaper with the Creatatouch, and Quadrapop can be as brain numbing as Angry Birds, so they can stay.These and the deeply embedded ATT apps are just a PITA, again, I'm never going to buy them since the ATT ones are almost just extra money each month. It's MY phone, I paid money for it, under 'first purchase' rules, I should have the right to do with it as I wish.

What I don't like is that to SYNC the phone-book, it's either ALL or one or nothing. I want to choose which service or multiple services. When you add Twitter and Facebook for Android apps (the site sponsored ones) they also appear in my phone book (along with Sony Sync, Google, Facebook Timescape, Twitter Timescap and SyncML), and now I have repetitions galore for people who appear in more than one site. When Joined, they still have multiple phone numbers, emails etc. This is IMO, not all SE, it's Google too.

And as for Live Wallpapers, frankly, the waving grass thing, blows my mind since it's so in sync with the sun et al. It wouldn't matter about the grass to me that's 'background', I love the sky portion, and it's ever changing hue of color and the stars at night. An occasional shooting star or slowly moving planet would be a bonus.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
You have missed my point completely, and you obviously didn't read all my posts. I never meant to imply that I phone doesn't update their devices. You have taken my sentence out of context. My point was about them continually putting out new devices, to recreate the customer purchase, which is what SE will do as well.

I appreciate what I have more than most of the people in here, and if you read my initial post I called myself a businessman. How many business men do you know that hate corporations? If anything I am a huge fan of competition. It makes everyone do better and improves quality.

I'm not expecting SE to keep updating my phone rather than coming out with new better devices is all I was saying. I am trying to tell the rest of the people wondering whether which update we will get, that it isn't good business sense for SE to continually spend resources on a product and industry that has a 2 year turn over rate.

In order for the manufacturers to continue to invest in research and development, they have to generate income, which they are not doing by giving free updates beyond what they had originally stated. They never promised anything other than 2.1. They also said hardware doesn't allow multi touch. We all knew this when we bought the phone (at least anyone who did any research at all, even low volume was well documented)

Enough with the name calling and slurrs. You even insulted xda, the host. We have different opinions, and that is what these forums are for.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bennachie:
Standard X10 PDA is a fine device and has had some support. I like it as I am not a geek (no insult either intended or suggested) I just want a well behaved, effective device. In this case a phone. What I got was a PDA. I shall, as was suggested, certainly attempt to test in call volume before buying next time BUT how on earth do you do that?

If we 'get stuck' with 2.1 it will be no great hardship as long as the stickiness of some apps. is addressed (I believe the latest update, to which I have no access does just this)

Arc looks nice but will not entice me UNLESS SE fund some of it as someone has stated on here and unless it is a phone and not just a PDA as X10.

:cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
The first way I would test volume would be trusting the online reviews found by doing a simple google search. The second way would be by going to an actual retailer and comparing it to an phone I already know has good volume, like competitors I phone and Blackberry. Most every retailer carries one or both. Third, most devices come with a 30 day return policy in the USA, so you can try it out and return it if it isn't the right fit for your needs. I'm assuming the 30 day policy is standard most countries.
[XPERIA X10 General] Jmercy09:
From Engadget @ sony's press event: They keep showing the Xperia X10 on the screen. Now shown: a Froyo upgrade for the Xperia X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] Timbits93:
Apparently, don't know if i should credit Engadget yet, but over um here

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/live-from-sonys-ces-2011-press-event/

Who ever guessed FroYo [Me included] is correct, FroYo upgrade it is O.o

Damn i got beaten to it haha.
[XPERIA X10 General] Jmercy09:
lol thanks for posting the link. I was definitely sure it was going to stay on 2.1
[XPERIA X10 General] leonardzheng:
All products have thire life cycle. I think before the end of the lift cycle, X10 will update continuously. But unluckily, the update is always late and we may not be able to see before the end...
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
No Mediascape in 2.3?

Well, Froyo on an Xperia Arc, not an X10. There is still no word on if 2.3 will come to the x10 (though it should be easy). The video below is interesting as it says that Mediascape is no longer with the phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0G9LgFarsU
[XPERIA X10 General] Timbits93:
But anyways, mediascape turned into the media pane, it's definetely quicker to use haha.

Ugh, okay so they edited their joke lol oh well...
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I've been trying to check the site but it says system down, however you seem be right. Funny how people are so anxious for an new update already that they didn't stop to see if it was an X10. PSYCH! :/
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
Tweeted by SE UK a few minutes ago:

B.S.
[XPERIA X10 General] farhan032:
Am busy bombarding them with my hate tweets !! Come on ppl ..show them a lil love (hate) !!!
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
Oh, I'm all over that. Have been since the announcement!

And I'm not the only one:

http://twitter.com/#!/search/@SonyEricssonUK
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
OMG... really no idea... however, first.. I don't have any intention of ever owning an iphone.. but.. if you have an iphone 3 or 3G then you can upgrade to ios4.. you can also do this if you have the 3rd Gen ipod touch..

So Mr Business man..
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
You have missed my point completely, and you obviously didn't read all my posts. I never mentioned It phone until someone else suggested that Apple doesn't release new phones to get people to buy again. You have taken my sentence out of context. My point was about them continually putting out new devices, to recreate the customer purchase, which is what SE will do as well. Any one who grew up during the PC revolution in the 90's knows what I am talking about.

I'm not expecting SE to keep updating my phone rather than coming out with new better devices is all I was saying. I am trying to tell the rest of the people wondering whether which update we will get, that it isn't good business sense for SE to continually spend resources on a product and industry that has a 2 year turn over rate. They will update throughout the lifecycle, to encourage new sales, but once it isn't a revenue stream you can expect development to stop.

In order for the manufacturers to continue to invest in research and development, they have to generate income, which they are not doing by giving free updates beyond what they had originally stated. They never promised anything other than 2.1, or that this would be the last phone you ever needed to buy.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Like I was saying. Official: SE released statement there will be NO Froyo or Gingerbread.

http://www.xperiax10.net/2011/01/06...-will-not-receive-upgrade-to-froyo-or-beyond/

I hate to say it, but told you they wouldn't keep updating software for free, but that they would be updating devices that you can buy making us customers once again.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
No sir..you missed my point.. Whilst apple release new products each year they still roll out the new operating system to older models, this way they encourage much stronger customer loyalty, so when your contract comes to an end you feel loved by your beloved fruit phone maker, and go out and buy the new model.. The uk mobile market has switched to a 24 month contract cycle so the consumer needs to feel loved when the annual round of new phones are released otherwise they won't stick with them when their contract is up.

That's why SE should have given us 2.3.. But they didn't.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
No, that was my point. ;-) I never was talking about fruit in the first place. I was on topic for this thread,as a businessman saying that SE wouldn't keep updating beyond the 2 year lifecycle, because it didn't make financial sense. The facts are the same with either. SE delivered what they promised and more with multi touch. Another OS update only 2 months after the only one they promised is wishful thinking not expected. With the 0390 update, that will be 4 updates in the second year, with multi touch to boot. Who can complain about that?
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
ok.. I'll keep it short.. updating the OS on "old" models does make very good business sense, because that's EXACTLY what apple do.. and they sell more phones than pretty much anyone else.. I'm sure apple wouldn't bother back porting their new OS's if it wasn't financially viable. (and by the way, I'm talking about OS upgrades, not firmware revisions)
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Or they can't meet demand for their new models, so they update the old ones until production catches up.

Financially viable is the key phrase. Apple is the market leader with the highest market share and years of experience and deepest pockets. Their customer base is also the most loyal. They don't need any new customers as long as they keep them happy and they buy the next model.

SE is on the opposite end of the spectrum with Android. We are a minority with a platform to voice our issues with like minded people, who are more loyal to Android than the manufacturer. When we reenter the market, we will be loyal to Android. If SE has the best product we will buy again, regardless.
[XPERIA X10 General] kalfou:
It took so long for someone to mention the most obvious thing... I'm a geek, my partner is not, she likes her x10, I hate it, I love my HTC desire (I use to have an x10 but found out it was a lump of bird ****)
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
Au contraire, I've been always posting about making do with what we have and learn to appreciate it. But no one ever listens.

Seriously we have no issues about people who don't like Rachael and just abandon her for another phone. Beats having to endure all those incessant complaints.

I don't get why they keep comparing the average phone companies with Apple. People forget that Apple earn alot due to Design Houses, Ad Agencies, Press Printing Companies etc all depend on their Macs to make a living, due to their 'lagless' coms which can render heavy graphics. And those coms are priced at thousands of dollars each.

With that amount of revenue, they are able to spoil market with their 1-to-1 exchange, constant OS upgrades and whatever stunts that'll make ordinary citizens go, "oh, Apple is so cool, cos they are so good towards us"

What do you think companies like HTC and Sony Ericsson have to sustyain themselves? Their products are not necessary a must for daily use.

HTC only sells cellphones, if I am not wrong. If Ericsson was doing so well, they wouldn't even be absorbed into Sony. Even Sony, while it's a famous brand, doesn't have a must-buy product under their label.

If these average companies adopt Apple's way of marketing strategy, soon none of them will be present in the cellphone market anymore, leaving Apple to be the sole company producing the phone.

We are entitled to be angry at how the adult world works, but then this doesn't mean we shouldn't try to think logically why they are doing this.
[XPERIA X10 General] Leonidas300:
Not a big deal SE never actually promised 2.2, but hang on neither did HTC promise 2.1 on my Hero the day I bought it, and I got it running. The main problem is that SE didn't keep up the promises they did make ala 16m colours and from there it just snowballed. Sure leave us on 2.1(I'm running 2.2 custom anyway) but atleast open the bootloader so we can get some more fully functional roms.

After being a SE fanboy for years they definitely lost another customer :( :( :(

Sent from my X10i 2.2 thanx Z

Sent from my X10i 2.2 thanx Z
[XPERIA X10 General] Leonidas300:
1)SE didn't even keep up with a 1st year update cycle, where's the 16m colours? , don't care much for it but SE promised it.

2)The x10 was released 10 months ago and already no more "useful" updates(have Htc Hero and multitouch / dueltouch is overrated) what really would be useful is Flash support as most websites run it.

3)HTC / Samsung or anyone else don't promise their customers any OS update, aslong as the hardware can support the OS they deliver(Hero bought on 1.5 AND was running official 2.1 now custom 2.2)

4)Android is open source right?I'm not a geek or computer nerd but like the fact that I have the say on what's on my phone, so I got an Android that looks great(X10i). Now they locked the bootloader tighter than the Virgin Mary. SE WHICH PART OF OPEN SOURCE DON'T U UNDERSTAND???

Sent from my X10i 2.2 thanx Z
[XPERIA X10 General] lornova:
I'm sorry, but you don't understand open source. You've got the open source of Android from http://source.android.com/ and the open source of the X10 kernel from http://developer.sonyericsson.com/cws/download/1/781/958/1269861076/X10_Donut_100325_01.tar.bz2

Open source has nothing to do with the boot loader.
[XPERIA X10 General] Leonidas300:
LOL as I said I am not geek, my point still stands that why the he'll is SE making it impossible to change the Kernel????

Sent from my X10i 2.2 thanx Z
[XPERIA X10 General] Paulx10:
PLEASE HELP.HOW DO I PUT 2.2 ON MY PHONE IM NEW TO ALL THIS.I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO ROOT MY PHONE.BUT I SO BADLY WANT TO LEARN AND DO ALL THIS STUFF.PLEASE EMAIL ME WITH EASIEST INSTRUCTIONS LOL.paulstone19847@googlemail.com
[XPERIA X10 General] Dysgenic:
And still you didn't learn a thing about the CAPSLOCK use....c'mon really :(
[XPERIA X10 General] paolo599:
ok lets get this straight, SE arent updating the x10 to 2.2 because they cant get timescape and mediascape on it or because ms and ts suck on 2.2?
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
Nah. It's because customers like you suck that's why they think you don't deserve a 2.2 =)

Stop picking on their selling point when they are working fine. Zzzzz.
[XPERIA X10 General] paolo599:
dude... i wasent picking on them. i heard that ms and ts suck on 2.2. they work better on 2.1 and thats why they arent updating.
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
OK. Sorry then. Overreacted cos kinda sick of kids buying the phone yet kept on complaining about Media and Timescapes.
[XPERIA X10 General] tr0llica:
btw, anybody saw this?: http://www.ptcrb.com/ctiastaff/complete/view_complete_request.cfm?modelid=16755

new fw 3 days ago
[XPERIA X10 General] hamed1297:
I think that`s the FW which brings Dualtouch to the phone
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...ZFI3N2E0UFdWTlY4VjVBU1Z0SVE&hl=en&pli=1#gid=0

Look at that document. Just sad. States that it is fully capable of running 2.3+, but no further upgrades beyond 2.1
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
Over in the ARC forum, there is an 'se insider' who says that the bootloader is tied to the 1.6/2.1 kernel and without reburning the bootloader ROM it can't be updated with the newer faster linux kernels and that is the technical reason why it can't be done by SE but can be done by XDA developers who are bringing the newer Android features to the older kernel or faking the strings the bootloader needs to load the OS.
[XPERIA X10 General] Buddha:
I've voted for 2.3 update.. damn you SE :|
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
it's a shame cause the phone has great capabilities
[XPERIA X10 General] augie7107:
I agree. It's just too bad SE locked this device down so tightly.

I thoroughly enjoyed my X1 due to the fact we were able to flash custom ROM's.

I had hoped for the same experience with the X10 but I think the dev's have given up cracking the bootloader on this device.
[XPERIA X10 General] caviles:
Froyo is nice, 2.3 i am not usage.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tryout1:
Heyho just a little question does anybody know if there is a stock Gingerbread or the Gingerbread Battery Icon available for JPX/JPY? I searched arround but only found some modded GB Themes which i don't like.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blue99_:
I'm searching for that too
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frankhart:
Can I add a 'me too'? I'm using R64's Gingerbreads theme he made for Darkyy's rom on Doc's rom. It works ok, but the extended menu say's Darkyy's rom. There is a original Gingerbread theme in the Captivate forum but I don't know if we can use that one on the i9000.

Anyone?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trekki:
+1 for this.
[Nexus One Android Development] sabiwa:
I found out that certain combinations of ROMS and Kernels work better with my CAR Bluetooth then other combinations. For instance CM6 is not working perfect and is uncertain to reconnect to my Car system. On the other hand most Sense ROMS work better with my Car system.

So in this project I wanna track down first which components have influence on the bluetooth stack, and more important which specific parts of the kernel, software and other things are related.

This to improve the BT Car system of at least my Scenic but I have the feeling more Car systems have issues.

Please if you have info about this put it in this treath so we can make it better.
[Nexus One Android Development] NeoS:
Nice initiative. My BT system in my car works flawlessly with WinMo, but as soon as I connect my nexus, my speakers begin shrieking like all hell breaks loose. Also, My Nexus the seems to lock up and I need to pull the battery for all misery to end.

LOL.

That was the first time I connected the bugger, so I wasprobably still running Eclair when I tried it.
[Nexus One Android Development] PhantomRampage:
6.1.1 works well for me, both bluetooth calling and a2dp.

Theres a little fuzziness going on when nothing is playing, like white noise, but that's pretty much my only problem. No wait, there is one more thing actually, every now and then while music is playing it'll skip more or less a second
[Nexus One Android Development] jscat1:
Just to add... I have to repair and disable/enable by every time I get in the car or the sound will drop out every 15-30s on any rom that uses froyo. GB seems to help where I only need to disable / enable bt. Kenwood x-993 with parrot bt. Using latest bt firmware.
[Nexus One Android Development] peadarog:
This happens to me too once every three or four songs, but it's such a small thing it doesn't bother me much. On the other hand, for the short while I was using MIUI, I felt it was happening much less, but I may have been imagining that :)
[Nexus One Android Development] xiophyte:
Heres my setup, and it works flawlessly every time i start the car.

Car Deck: JVC KD-R900 (Using the small bluetooth adapter that came with the unit mounted in the back USB port)

ROM: Enomthers TheOfficial Nexus1 v2.14.3

Kernel: 2.6.32.35-TheOfficial-AudioMOD-720p

Radio: 32.41.00.32U_5.08.00.04

OS Version: 2.2.1

Like i said earlier i have no problems with the audio quality or connecting to my unit. As soon as i turn my Bluetooth on it connects within about a minute.

Calling quality is good, audio quality is good and AVRCP works also (play/pause/next/prev)

If you need anymore info just let me know.
[Nexus One Android Development] sabiwa:
Its good to see there is some reaction on the start of this.....

My goal is to achieve and to find out which components are involved in the Bluetooth experience:

F.I. :

* Kernel modules and libs

* Application in the rom to actually making the connection

* Bluez configuration and settings

I have done some searching but found that even with the same Bluez settings there can be a difference between some roms in combination with kernel.
[Nexus One Android Development] elfblackdeath:
I have the same issue on my Kenwood system.
[Nexus One Android Development] bimmerd00d:
Me too, same model. I've updated the firmware on the X993 and it seemed to help.
[Nexus One Android Development] scotte9999:
Same here on my DDX-812. Almost everything "works", I just get the drop-out when streaming music if it's not a fresh pairing.

The bluez stack was updated with Gingerbread...I'm hoping against hope that that fixes some things. :-)
[Nexus One Android Development] eabinsan:
i have to use a no-audio-boost kernel with my jabra headset, otherwise the call quality is abysmal. lots of metallic clicking and other strange effects going on.

but i have seen no differences in the overall connection stability otherwise.
[Nexus One Android Development] D200P13:
hmm i have a problem with my car dock and bluetooth i think. when using the navigation the voice plays via the phones speaker not the dock speaker. is this similar to the problem in the 1st post? if so, would love a fix!