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[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
When I saw this I was very disappointed, I might hold of in getting the next Galaxy S phone until this is sorted out.. I was expecting zero burn-ins for the first year of usage and probably a very faint after the 2nd year.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Maddmatt:
Maybe, but it still has awesome picture quality compared to most LCDs.

High quality LCDs can match the colour as far as I can see, although there aren't many phones which use them,and they can't get pure black but they can get very close.

I used the Colour Flashlight app to do a simple test. Can see the blue LEDs have faded very slightly at the notification bar. I've had this phone since the end of July.

For my next phone I'd rather have a quality LCD with a slightly better resolution. But it has to be 4 inches, so not the iPhone 4's display.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] wurzelsepp3:
I don't think its that big of a deal.

I also see a slight burn in (all blue) where the time is displayed on the notification bar.

But seriously I think more than 90% in this thread including myself wouldn't have recognized it, if they hadn't read about it here.

(Does anyone see a burn in in normal use looking at pictures or playing games ?? Probably not!)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] inurb:
I let the flashlight app run for 10 minutes. When I performed the LCD test there was no changes to the burn in. It was still very visible when I viewed it in blue.

Also when I went back into my launcher main menu I looked in the upper right hand corner and I immediately saw the burn in. It wasn't clear before (and I really didn't care about the burn in because I thought it was only viewable when the screen was all blue) All of a sudden I could see the burn in when moving gray colored widgets around the home screen area.

I was really shocked that the burn in is now so visible. I had to look for it at first but now I have OCD and my eyes always fixate to the burn in notification area (notification bar is now hidden with LauncherPro)

All in all I've had the device 5 months and I would hate to see what the screen would look like after using it for a year. I love the deep black and the amazing contrast and viewing angles that AMOLED offers, but I basically have a deteriorating screen for $550.

The screen is going to look like $h1t in a year. :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
Its actually very noticable in some games and pictures, when you start up angry birds its sticking out like a sore thumb.. Im pretty much very disappointed in this.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cicer0:
Try to go to the service and see what'll they say to you.

Warranty should cover this (except if it's written somewhere in the manual - which I didn't bother reading:)).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] HarpingOn:
I've had my i9000 in the uk since June I think. I've just run the r g and b screen tests in testing mode and theres no degradation that I can see. I usually run my phone on the lowest brightness except when I want to show off to HTC or iphone users.

Perhaps different phones degrade differently? Perhaps your country matters? Ambient temperature? Maybe the brightness always on lowest?

Got to be some difference. So long as it lasts the 18 month contract, I'll be sweet with it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
Warranty service here in the Philippines is extremely slow, its gonna be 45-60 days at least to have this replaced and chances are there WILL be something wrong with my phone after they change the screen.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
I have my brightness in auto
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cicer0:
Yes, I have read it before, you wrote it already.

I would take it just to see if they would actually consider this a defect and replace the screen. Warranty lasts for 2 years - maybe this could be useful in the future.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Jockson:
I did some testing on my friend's Galaxy S and sure enough, it has some burn in as well. He has only had the phone for 3 months!

We all know what's causing it but I did some searching and found an interesting pdf that compares pros and cons of OLED and LCD screens in mobile phones. It may have been posted somewhere already but the bit that I found interesting is the UI design guide to overcome "image sticking" as they call it and the actual test of OLED brightness decay:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8057/new1ls.png

Those numbers are a little scary :eek: After 96 hours of operation, green OLED lost 2% of its brightness. The blue one on the other hand lost the alarming 10%. That's easily enough to show up as a "burned in" image.

Some guideliness on GUI design:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8414/new2gi.png

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5038/new3o.png

It would seem static objects and blue color in general should be avoided as much as possible.

The good thing is, this is another AMOLED screen, not the one used in the SGS which being the latest has to be better than that. The bad news is, the problem is obviously still there and will affect everyone depending on one's usage. So if you do get a burn in issue and they somehow agree to replace your screen, it will happen again if you continue to use the phone in the same way.

It does look beautiful, but OLED is not ready yet in my view unless you're buying phones often so the screen's longevity doesn't matter. I'd expect and accept visible degradation after 2-3 years but not after a couple of months!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
A friend of mine who had the phone for just about 15 days already has a very slight hint of image burn when displaying a blue screen. I didnt let him know that its there but I just advised him to use auto hide with the LP to minimize image burn.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] airf0rce:
^ Interesting, I have the Phone for 4 months, lot of screen-on time and no visible signs of status bar burn in (just checked with Color Flaslight app). I was using a lot of quite different themes though (i guess blue wears out fastest) so status i never really had status bar with same color for a long time, what i do notice however is overall loss of brightness. I remember the display being a bit brighter than it is after 4 months, week ago i was actually playing with new SGS (fixing 3BR, flashing new rom from old eclair rom) and screen was indeed quite a bit brighter then mine, still its pretty far from being a problem to me.

Hope it doesnt degrade a lot faster than now , i would like to keep the phone for at least another year, as i dont have money to afford new one every half a year , hehe.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Jockson:
Apparently OLED materials are sensitive to temperature and as luminance decays, voltage increases which in turn accelerates the rate of decay. So you can probably expect it to degrade a bit faster now unfortunetaly.

Did you notice any difference in color temperature between the two? The new SGS should be brighter as expected but was it colder/bluer too?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] airf0rce:
Yep color temperature were different, but it is actually my SGS which has colder color temp, new one seemed to be more yellow-ish. Both phones had same ROM and kernel without additional color balance corrections.

It is bit ironic that screen which I considered to be perfect part of SGS without any issue is loosing its "quality" overtime while previously piece of sh*t software (still remember my eclair JF5? days, so much lag) got so much better recently Guess we can't have everything ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jonlewi5:
Just been testing this with my SGS.

Only on the blue test though.

Funny thing is i can see my ex's name from the SMS app burnt into the screen haha
[Galaxy S I9000 General] vcespon:
Confirmed here too

Checked the blue screen with *#0*# and I can see darker pixels on the top-right, corresponding to the phone signal, battery and clock.

Not very visible but noticeable.

This is after 6 months and expending most time on full-screen (no notification bar visible) apps. It's clear that this screen is not designed to last more than one year if you use the phone for anything besides calling or playing music.

My SGS did not cost much to me, but I'll take this into account the next time I consider bying a new phone.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Jockson:
I'm sure glad that after accidently stumbling across these forums I did take this into account and ended up not getting it. AMOLED is always being mentioned as a huge selling point everywhere, not just for this phone but others too. But when you think about it, a good LCD is a better choice right now. Deep blacks are very nice but the PenTile matrix, burn in, image degradation and change of color temperature are much more serious flaws than those present in modern LCDs. The viewing angle advantage would be very welcome for laptops/monitors/TVs but for a phone, it doesn't matter much.

I always like to customize the UI to my liking as much as possible and having to use certain colors, moving icons around and auto-hiding this and that doesn't sound much fun. I wish due to AMOLED shortage Samsung would start equipping the Galaxy with an LCD screen instead, I'd get one for sure :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] inurb:
I think Samsung is going to face a slew of negative feedback as Galaxy S users realize the burn in issue.

I compared my i9000 with 4 other coworkers who had captivates, vibrants and fascinates. We all did the LCD test and all 4 of us could see burn in, some more severe than others with my phone showing the worst burn in. I purchased my phone first back in August 2010.

Just for giggles we had one guy with an Incredible and he said his was also an amoled screen. Now he has had his phone even longer than I, when we tested his screen out against an all blue, red, green wallpaper we could see no evidence of burn in whatsoever.

This leads me to believe that Samsungs Amoled are especially prone to burn in than other Amoleds.

I will post some photos to show you how bad my burn in is after 5 months of use.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Jockson:
Samsung makes the AMOLED screens for HTC though, don't they? It would be a bit strange if they would put worse screens in their own devices. Also, was the screen in that Incredible really an OLED? I know HTC switched to S-LCD on some models like the Desire, perhaps that was the case here too?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] salmanslick:
Auto hide lp? ? Wer do i get it from?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mickeko:
Don't call it burn-in, because it's not. It's burn-out. Nothing is actually imprinted on the screen, frequently used LEDs are just less bright than the other.

Sent from my personal Dis-organizer GT-I9000.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jonlewi5:
An example on my phone

http://fattylewis.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/DSCF2732.png

The camera couldnt really get that great a shot, but it is pretty visible.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cicer0:
I agree, it should be called wear-out:p

I've written my opinion here.

I think that the blue wears out to a certain point pretty fast and then it doesn't wear out so rapidly, so after sometime when blue wears out on rest of the screen, maybe this silhouettes won't be so visible (so much - at least I hope so). That's why new phones' screen is more blueish.

I have my phone for 7 months now and I cannot easily see a silhouette when turning the screen blue, I have to look really good, but again, it's hardly visible.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Jockson:
Technically, it's the same thing, isn't it? Plasmas don't really "burn in" either. They also lose brightness with usage and show a silhouette in places where pixels are more worn out. What makes OLED much more prone to "burn in" or whatever we want to call it, is the fact that they currently have far inferior lifespan and RGB pixels degrade at different rates too.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cicer0:
No, plasma is different technology.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Jockson:
It's different technology, but what we call "burn in" on a plasma is essentially the same what happens on an OLED. Leave a bright static image for a long time and both plasma and OLED will have those pixels degrade and lose brightness more quickly which results in visible permanent after images. LCD's of course don't have that problem although temporary image retention is possible.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
Call it whatever you want the main point is everyone understands what wer are talking about
[Galaxy S I9000 General] salmanslick:
heres what i did to check "burn in " installed this app screen filter from market.

my brightness settings under phone settings set to 0% , switched off auto.

under screen filter i set my brightness to 19 %.

then, from the dialer *#0*# and did lcd test and found signs of burn in . before tht i did not see anything at all.

now if u follow the above guide you will definitely see signs of wear.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mloc33:
I always keep my notification bar hidden and brightness down to the lowest AND apply the screen filter when I`m in doors, would this stop/slow this burn in/out?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rlorange:
Yep can see burn in too and I browse for hours at a time often.

Dont you think it's strange that samsung used a lot of blue in their touchwiz theme knowing that blue wears out fastest?

Can't notice the burn out in everyday use however
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SKeijmel:
i Got my phone for 3 months now i have played with it alot. played whole final fantasy 7 round hehe and now i do lets golf2 every pause i got at work. if i do a screen test nothing is visable yet. samoled / oled has the weakness yes. blue leds degrade the fastest. even if you use this phone 2 years. the screen will be working perfectly fine. oke after 2 years you might see a slight degradation on some spots but you will have to be realy looking for it with a screen tester. i knew this up front but i still went for the phone its a great phone. and yes my gps works and my wifi is good since jpu and now on jpy stronger signal in wifi and also faster more away from my router. by the time your screen is getting bad the galaxy S 4 will be there with android 5.0 ;)

i always have the brightness on the lowest and the screen is bright enaf for me. i also use a black background because these uses less power.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] android53:
We also have a serious problem of anti-burn-in, for example if you use a black notification bar the top left of it will rarely see use, this puts the color out of balance.

Check your screen on a white background, the top left of mine already has a blue hue
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
I wonder if Sammy is fully aware of this issue..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Adevem:
i've been using my phone for about... 5/6 months now. been using lowest brightness with 12hour format, always using dark themes (grey circle battery) and now r64's White theme.

with latest speedmod it's even darker. i just tried the LCDTest on R/G/B and i do not notice any "burn-ins" so let's hope it stays that way lol.

though i have to admit, after reading this thread i'm hiding my notification bar and using 24hour format lmao. threads gets to me.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
Well the burn in cant be avoided just delayed.. for me I was using auto brightness. Since you've been using 12hr format the AM/PM has the highest risk of getting burned in.. im pretty sure its already burned in but i believe it could be very faint as of now..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Adevem:
upon close inspection with max brightness. under the blue test I can see a very light shade of my notification bar and a barely visible PM "burn".

curses. not as bad as some if you guys' but now we know it's inevitable to a certain extend.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
(sigh)

Very dissapointed on this..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Metalzoa:
Kinda glad I use a black background live wallpaper and 10% brightness (unless I can't see, then I bump it up to 30%). I shut off the screen when I'm done, but it has a 1 minute auto-timer just in case.

I'll check for reduction of quality but I read somewhere in the thread that you can buy a new screen for $65 so I'm not sure what all the hoopla is about. You'd rather buy a new phone with the same problem than learn to fix it and love your Galaxy S more?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
So your saying apart from spending $700 for the phone we just need to spend $65 every 3-4 months to replace the screen ?

The durability/lifespan of these screens should have a very minimum of 1yr.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] android53:
I will send my phone back on warranty due to burn in once I can upgrade through kies again
[Galaxy S I9000 General] thedauntlessone:
Users like you irk me the most. OH NOES MY DEVICE IS NOT 99.9% IT IS NOW USELESS TO ME. Err... reality check, the screen is still usable. If masturbating to the screen is more important than functionality for you then you should get other devices. I'd love to use (BIG emphasis) the device to "death" because at least I know I got my money's worth and I wouldn't feel bad about getting a new phone.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iammodo:
Hear, hear

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
Im sorry for you that you feel that way, If you feel that you get your moneys worth in just 5 months of using the phone and it starts to show display issues then you can never relate to this, sure I use my device to death I rarely upgrade phones probably once in every 3yrs unless something big comes up. Some cant relate to this cause they got their phone free with their contract.

But I understand where you are coming from and your mentality.

If you wanna spend $70 every 3-4 months in replacing the screen since you are getting your money's worth then please do so, just take note on what you quoted me for.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] km:
I'm pissed too. I really love this phone (except the mail-client), but with a display, which breaks through normal usage....

No, thinking about selling it, but I don't know, what device to buy instead...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iammodo:
Take it to a Samsung service center problem is over 8 pixles they can replace it.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
Easier said than done
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cba1986:
I have this phone about 7 months. i tested with the flashlight aplication with full brightness and i didn't noticed any watermarks. I use 24 hrs format since i got my first phone, nothing related with burn issues i am used to to that format.

And the term "burnin" in the samoled is not correct, what happens is that in white pixels the led is fully powered. And if that pixel retain that status for a long period of time its wear out more quickly that one that remain dark(off). That can cause the "burnin" effect when what really is happening is that the pixel that remain white is getting dimmer faster that the one that remain black. Is different that the "burn in" effect see it in the crt displays. When the cause of the burn in was in the phosphor display loosing their luminance with use.

We are talking about leaving one white static image for days or even weeks in a row. But it depends on everyone usage.

From other thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8461754&postcount=23

I have the same wallpaper for over two months now, which have a large white portion and there is no so called "burnin".

This is the wallpaper i use:

I don't think this is such a big deal. I mean, there is flaw, nobody argue about that. But remember that SAMOLED screen is a very young techonogy, its needs time to mature.

Now if you use this phone as nightclock, you already know the possible outcome. The burn-in effect is in every type of display, from crt to samoled. Know knowing this, we have to take care of our phones the best way possible.

Technology isn't infallible, like anything in this life. I know this fact before i bought the phone because of the so called "burn in" in the nexus one. So if you expect a perfect-noflaw piece of technology because you paid a lot of money for it. Well....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iammodo:
Anyone near blackpool uk with screen "burn" want a new screen?

Sent from my NCC-74656!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Lynchy30:
Funny you should say that :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iammodo:
Whys that?

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] iammodo:
O I see from your profile you are in blackpool.

Well I shall be working Sat 9:30 till 5pm if you wanted a screen change I can sort it out for you. Pm me

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] jossilint:
Never use screen full brightness and in night use screen filter program and amoled lives 10x longer.

fact is LED is LED and less bright it is then longer it lives and secondary heat degrades led faster too.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iammodo:
So no one is close to blackpool on saterday for a FREE new screen?

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] .:Crack:.:
u could ship it to germany xD
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iammodo:
Sorry i have to fit them to keep it in warranty.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] iammodo:
Free screen and a free 4gb sd card anyone?

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] chris7524:
I had my phone for 6months, using black status bar for 1 month. I can see status bar is very little brighter than other area in a white screen (flash light app). Battery status n clock "burn in". The led degraded extremely fast, even in 1 month time i can see the little different.:(

I normally use my phone 3~4 hours (on screen) per day.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Aphova:
I've used my phone to death for 5 months now and I love it, RFS and all. I use it at low brightness though for fear of arc eyes :p I have blue degradation that I would never have noticed if I hadn't checked this thread. Out of sight, out of mind I say. Literally. If you need to specially look for it why worry? Easier said than done though I guess. I scratched my screen before I got screen protector and it drove me mad. But only when I looked for it. I just realised I haven't noticed it in months, even though I can still find it if I want.

The sad truth - just like a battery, the screen is a wear and tear item. It's just more in your face. But if you give someone the phone to try out after having it for six months and they notice it on their own then Samsung owes you a new phone. Unless you left it on max brightness with a static picture for 200 hours to prove a point. Then they just owe you a noddy badge and a chop slap ;)

The last time I had a manufacturer (Sony Ericsson) replace a screen (X1) it came back more broken than before. One dead pixel fixed, one touchscreen poorly installed which led to component corrosion that they would not repair, even out of warranty. Point is - can such a piece of equipment really be repaired to its original state? I.e. sealed, no squeaks, rattles, just as robust etc. The innards are so small and crowded that there's no flash... Must be pretty difficult.

Anyway, I've started noticing banding along the lower half of the screen at low brightness which wasn't there when I got the phone. Plenty apps/kernels/settings/ROMs later and it's still there. On a grey/white background it's quite apparent: 2mm lighter, 3mm darker all the way down. It really sticks out with the notification bar pulled down over that. It's not colour banding. It's really starting to get irritating. There are even faint narrower vertical bands forming. My phone's turning into a SAMOLED checkers board lol.

Anyone else got this? I really don't want to send another phone in and get it back 9 weeks later in worse condition after looking after it so well :( Or get told the equivalent of it's my fault because I obviously held the phone with three fingers at a 37 degree angle and simultaneously sneezed while making a phone call during a full moon. Which is explicitly forbidden in page 211 of my operator's warranty in smudged 1.5pt Latin terms. Okay, extreme sarcasm, but that phone cost me a lot money and lasted 8 months. I was really pissed off. Still paying for it. It's happened to a lot of other people too.

The long-winded question is: what's the fix? Send it to Samsung (well, my operator actually...) and hold thumbs? Or adjust x, y and z? Or give up because neither will work and just smudge Petroleum jelly over the screen and accept that life's unfair. Lol... :)