yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G Android Development] cosine83:
I've been using the original release of Amon Ra 1.8 and HBOOT 2.10 since 2.10 came out (and 2.02 before that) and I've had zero problems flashing ROMs, kernels, etc. I use titanium backup more than I nandroid since it's been more reliable in not creating issues. Every time I've used nandroid I always, always get the bug where the IQagent sucks CPU cycles and drains my battery.
[EVO 4G Android Development] w84mike:
I've been using Amon Ra 1.8 for a few months and updated to HBOOT 2.10 a couple weeks ago and I have no problem flashing anything, also have no problems using 4G. I'm not sure what the issue is here.
[EVO 4G Android Development] icepuente:
It doesn't have to do with the HBOOT version but with the partition scheme that is used in newer phones. Generally if the phone comes shipped with a new HBOOT version then it usually uses the new partitioning requiring a modified recovery image.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xfbo:
Soooo what do yall recommend us newbies with the first generation Evo's do for the time being?

I'm pretty sure my hboot version is still 0.97, I have bounced back n forth between CWM and Amon RA.......should one be chosen as the default for the time being?
[EVO 4G Android Development] icepuente:
Either use Amon RA or the 2.5 CWM
[EVO 4G Android Development] davenukem:
OP updated with links and explanation of all that has been discovered in this thread.
[EVO 4G Android Development] zikronix:
you need to change it to say modified version of amon_ra found in zikronix's thread not modified hboot
[EVO 4G Android Development] w84mike:
Ah, thanks. Just checked and found I have the old partition, so I guess that explains why I've had no problems. You're right, it was the HBOOT talk that was throwing me off. Appreciate the response.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Bizdady:
Nice job and getting this information out guys. Been seeing alot of thread on the Q&A board so hopefully this will get out there before more people get their phones in trouble.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xdp:
I haven't read much about this - how exactly do your 4G RSA keys get messed up?
[EVO 4G Android Development] davenukem:
You accidentally wipe or delete the keys. They are literally a section of information on our phone.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xdp:
Is that only possible when flashing radios? Could I have ever done this just by wiping data and cache?
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
This is so much easier to understand I am sure this will help many! Thanks for this.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
I though this was only possible when updating the wimax. Least from my reading. Check if you RSA is still intact before you update your wimax.

Run this:

sed -n '/PRIVATE/ {p; n; p; n; p;}' /dev/mtd/mtd0

Should see this. Then you know your key is there.

-----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
osdfou876s8dfyskdfmpDFJDSFHoe2e98we9ewhfh87f9ds8fsfww08efjwuenfiwjnv0j92hj9
lsdkdkjflskjflsdjflskjdflsjdflskjjfoijosijoio//jslkdsjdlkjsdlksjsl/t+G/
-----END RSA PRIVATE KEY-----

Go into the recovery and make a backup. Then update the wimax. Once updated check the RSA key again. If its there then don't worry it won't just dissapear from flashing roms or wiping. Your safe. Just take a nandroid with your working wimax partion and save it somewhere. If its not there u just backed up your wimax and you know to restore. I hope this helps as well.
[EVO 4G Android Development] terryazthompson:
So I did a little Maths and figured I'd share for anyone interested.

First old cat /mtd/proc

dev size erasesize name

mtd0: 00c00000 00020000 "wimax"

mtd1: 000a0000 00020000 "misc"

mtd2: 00500000 00020000 "recovery"

mtd3: 00280000 00020000 "boot"

mtd4: 15e00000 00020000 "system"

mtd5: 0a000000 00020000 "cache"

mtd6: 1aba0000 00020000 "userdata"

and Newer cat /mtd/proc

mtd0: 00c00000 00040000 "wimax"

mtd1: 00100000 00040000 "misc"

mtd2: 00480000 00040000 "recovery"

mtd3: 00340000 00040000 "boot"

mtd4: 15e00000 00040000 "system"

mtd5: 0a000000 00040000 "cache"

mtd6: 1aa00000 00040000 "userdata"

If you have different than either of 2 above, then there are more than just these.

now...

Why did HTC change this. Well it seems they changed their nand memory and the new nand had 256K erase block size and old nand had 128K size. Each partition needs to be in multiples of the erasesize. Looking at table above, both the misc and userdata partition boundaries under old would be off, so they had to do something.

here is a table to show specific changes (in MiB) for old and new if anyone needs them.

Partition Old size New Size Change

wimax	12 12 0

misc	0.625	1 0.375

recovery	5 4.5 -0.5

boot	2.5 3.25 0.75

system	350 350 0

cache	160 160 0

userdata	427.625 426 -1.625

TOTALS 957.75 956.75 -1

The new phones lost 1MiB of Nand (I assume this was added to the bad block pool)

EDIT: Note xda shrinks whitespace - in order to see table neetly, click on quote, in that window it shows up formatted.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Clark008:
Does the gingerbread/froyo roms play nice with these new partition sizes or would it even matter?

I have 0003 hardware with old partition (2000) on hboot 0.93 and 2.15.00.11.19 radio using amon_ra 1.8 (from here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=705026).

And is there any benefits in upgrading to new hboot(2.10)/partition, modified amon_ra or cwm 3.0.0.2 after?

I already backed up wimax rsa keys when I rooted a while back.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Bizdady:
If it aint broke why even risk. As far as ive heard there no real benefit in upgrading and most ppl actually want to downgrade.
[EVO 4G Android Development] terryazthompson:
upgrading hboot and changing partitions are 2 separate things. Upgrading your partitions (if its even possible) would actually lose you 1+MiB of room to store apps. I don't know of any advantages to upgrading your hboot?

That being said sticking with cw 2.5.x or ar 1.8 (old) is best option until (if) these recoveries are upgraded to handle both old and new partitions in same program.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xdp:
Thanks for this, nice to be able to check.

Regarding the recoveries, it sucks that ROM Manager prompts you every time you open it to upgrade, even though the new version is not appropriate if you have the older partition setup. Very dangerous!
[EVO 4G Android Development] catseyenu:
Please remember to vote the thread up & maybe even suggest for the front page.

/That'll get their attention :D
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
If you have the old partition setup you prolly should be using the amon_ra since it backs up the wimax. clockwork the wimax backup only works with the new version.
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
I have a new evo just rooted last night. I am having issues flashing some roms but not others. Some will abort and not do anything. I was told to flash the amonra from rom manager and that would fix my issue. Far from it

That amonra wouldn't let me boot past the splash screen.

Had to do complete sprint lovers pc36 through hboot to get anything to load. Now I'm back to clockwork 3.0002 but it will only flash select zips. What should I do? I am running mikfroyo now and all seems good but I would like to try some different roms but I can't even flash some of his updates let alone wipe and go to a new rom.

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
Can you post the out put of;

cat /proc/mtd

or just say if you have "20000" or "40000" displayed?
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Not sure exactly what you are asking me for. I'm not at a computer.

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
I am trying to help. Ill just move along. Though you could use a terminal app from the market.
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Didn't mean that to come out that way. I need help. I meant tell me what you want me to do and I will do it. I just want it fixed.

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] :
I'm running hboot .76 and can't flash ROM's. I get stuck at the white splash screen (the one that says HTC EVO 4G). I have nandroid backups but they are in RA recovery so I can't access them while in CWM.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
Grab a term app from the market called "Terminal Emulator" Run that command and you will see output with either the number "20000" or "40000" just specify which number you are seeing.
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
All of them say 40000

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Bizdady:
download a terminal emulator app from the market if your rom doesnt already include one. Then open and type the code Lithid gave you.

cat /proc/mtd

You will be numberous lines with bunch of stuff but what we are concered with is either the 2000 or 4000 number that will appear.

edit: dont you just love it when things are posted right as your typing >.< lol

In this case you have the 004 you want to
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
I am using the updated clockwork and it wont flash some zip files. It just aborts them.

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
You are going to have to use the new clockwork 3.0.0.2 that is the only one right now besides the other amon_ra build.... try reflashing the new clockwork.
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
That is the recovery I am currently on.

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Maybe I need the modified amonra, is there a way to flash it through terminal? Does anyone have the img that would post it?

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
Then you are going to have to read through this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=829045

and get that version of amon_ra and flash that. clockwork might be having issues then.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
Try this one

http://www.multiupload.com/H89AODJPP5

re-name to PC36IMG.zip

put it on the root of the scard

power down... then power up holding vol down

should load it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Bizdady:
I think this is the part with the recovery image

edit: Im like 10 seconds late each time LMAO ok going away now :(
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Anything I else I should do. I already have a file named that from sprint lovers full. That's the only way I have been saved when I am stuck at HTC splash screen. How will it work if I have 2 of them?

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
Rename the other to PC36IMG-sprint-lovers.zip
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Ok, gonna download and try. Wish me luck!

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Quick question, when it asks me to reboot should I say yes or should I say no and go into recovery and reflash my rom?

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Bizdady:
You can proceed to recovery.
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
So I should say no, then boot to recovery, wipe everything and try to flash mikfroyo like normal?

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
You should say yes that is going to flash the recovery
[EVO 4G Android Development] Bizdady:
You flash the PC36IMG from the bootloader not recovery.
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Ok so say yes reboot, where will that take me? To my current rom? If so should I reboot back into recovery after and wipe all and start new. Sorry to ask so many questions. Wasn't thus difficult on my heroc and don't wanna mess anything up.

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Yea I meant after if loads the pc36 it will ask me if I want to reboot.

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Bizdady:
Oh ya after its done flashing if you reboot i think it reboots to your current rom (if not it bring you back to the bootloader) or you can just proceed to the recovery now to starting flashing a rom.

Dont forget to move the PC36IMG out of the sd root so it wont load each time you boot up the bootloader.
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Alright I flashed it and I am back on my rom. I guess I will boot into recovery and see if it will let be flash the files I couldn't flash on clockwork. Will report back.

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Mad props to you guys. Booted no problem and flashed just fine. Thanks so much for your help!

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
NP Nice to know that even with the new partitions clockwork is broken
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
It would flash some things and some it wouldn't.

evo, It's the poop!
[EVO 4G Android Development] zikronix:
no surprises here.
[EVO 4G Android Development] thirtyisntdanu20:
i have the old partitions, hboot 2.10 and currently running clockwork 3.0.0, but i want to switch back to Amon-Ra. I can flash roms but can't flash other files like kernels. Can i install the Amon-Ra from Rom Manager and have no issues??
[EVO 4G Android Development] zikronix:
you should be ok
[EVO 4G Android Development] stricklerjosh:
Now I do have a question. When I first rooted I backed up my phone with clockwork mod. I have only flashed sprint lovers and mikfroyo since. If I do a backup now will it have all the wimax 4g stuff I need if I break it? Or am I just screwed?

mikfroyo evo, with a side of aloysius 5 !
[EVO 4G Android Development] thirtyisntdanu20:
thank you sir, it worked! :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] zikronix:
if you have a new evo then you should be ok using the modified amon ra or new cw and everything should be in tact

however i had issues with cw on these new evos
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
I think it needs to be made clear that the new clockwork 3.0.0.2 is borked. Should also be made clear that anyone using the newer partitions ("400000") should only be using the Amon_Ra v1.8.1 or the "other one". It needs to be stickied and shout this info to the world before all of our cats are eaten.

I so happen to really like my cat.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mjohnson4580:
so with the new partitions how much if any space are you guys getting with the new hboots?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
*Wrong thread*
[EVO 4G Android Development] wolrah:
I apologize if this should be obvious, but it's still not clear to me after reading this thread, I have an older (July '10 purchase) Evo on which I clicked upgrade this morning to 3.0.0.2 without thinking about it. I then find this stuff, now I don't know what to do. I have the 20000 partition sizes and hboot 0.76, so should I just leave it, flash back to older clockwork, or go amon ra? If the latter, will just clicking the Install Amon Ra button in ROM Manager do the right thing?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
Either go back to the 2.5 series Clockwork or just go to Amon Ra using ROM Manager (go to the bottom and hit "Flash Alternative Recovery".)
[EVO 4G Android Development] wolrah:
Thank you. Decided to give Ra a shot.
[EVO 4G Android Development] SSaxman:
Like so many here, I flashed the 3.0.0.x CWM recovery and am now unable to flash anything. I opened Android Terminal Emulator and entered the string posted in the OP, cat/proc/mtd, but the emulator returned "cat/proc/mtd not found." What am I doing wong?

Swyped from my HTC EVO 4G with Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo
[EVO 4G Android Development] vandon1:
cat /proc/mtd

notice the space after cat
[EVO 4G Android Development] SSaxman:
That was it. Thanks vandon1!

Swyped from my HTC EVO 4G with Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo
[EVO 4G Android Development] lamboh:
how do exactly flash a zip from amon RA?? i got to flash zip from sd, and all they have is flash update.zip???

ive never used this recovery, always used clockwork...and im 20000
[EVO 4G Android Development] k2buckley:


Amon will only see zip files on the root of your sd card. It wont read zip files that are in a folder, like clockwork does. So whatever you want to flash, just move to the root of your sd card, and you should be good to go sir.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lamboh:
thanks homie, cant believe i didnt know that/couldnt find it. been using clockwork , appreciate it

and this is the reason why i've never used amon RA since launch...lulz....

O-lawd......T-claude
[EVO 4G Android Development] wfee:
So i have hboot 2.10 and everytime i try to flash it locks up. I have to to the recovery pc36img to recover and start all over. So what am i suppose to use Ra or CWM i have rom manager. Hope that makes sense.
[EVO 4G Android Development] CTSLICK:
Latest post from Koush re: ClockworkMod http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=897026
[EVO 4G Android Development] bkrodgers:
No longer true as of the new version of Amon released this afternoon. :) Other than ROM manager (which is cool), I'm not sure what advantages clockwork has left now.
[EVO 4G Android Development] k2buckley:
anytime man
[EVO 4G Android Development] Lurkerdownbelow:
Sorry to be a bit dense, I really don't want to brick my EVO. Just pretend I'm as ignorant as a potato :) I want to change to AmonRa.

I have the old partition size of 20000 and clockwork 2.5 if I want to update, I can flash the alternative recovery from RomManager and it will install RA recovery 1.8.

1. After doing this, I would use amon ra to flash zips of the card to install ROMs isntead of clockwork, right?

2. Would flashing this require me to re-flash my current ROM etc?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
Amon 1.8 is old but it works well. There are 2 things you will notice though:

1) You can only browse for zips in the root of the memory card (no folders)

2) Clockwork and Amon backups don't work with each other

If ROM manager shows "Amon 1.8" as the alternate, you need to update ROM Manager. The new version of Amon (2.2.1) lets you browse folders just like Clockwork. If you try and flash a zip and it gives you an error, you have to hit "Toggle Signature Verification" before.
[EVO 4G Android Development] scottspa74:
I know ra 1.8 is "old", but I still use it, and it is flawless. Doubt I'll “upgrade".

OP.

A sincerest thank you for this thread. And zikronix, you're a frickin GENIUS. I rooted 2 weeks after launch day, (and will be keeping my hboot 76.2.00, thank you toast).

But the day I drop my evo hard, or get it run over, is inevitable. I shudder when imagining having to figure out the new specifics of root for the newer devices. So many hboot versions and hw versions htc should be bombed. But I have been trying to keep somewhat informed of what's happening

Just wanna give a HUGE THANKS to OP for his time and concern (and zikronix, for his mad genus _ please dont ever leave this community).

We almost need sub sub forums for evo cuz off what htc has done.

Just wanna really drive home how valuable and appreciated your work is to the community. Thank you guys.
[EVO 4G Android Development] luck13lefty:
So I have flashed Amon_Ra through rom manager but when I tried to go use recovery I got the HTC white screen and it kept going to it when I clicked recovery so I went back to Clockwork mod. I want to switch but I am not sure how to go about it. Can someone assist me with this
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
Actually Unrevoked works for all Evos now lol.
[EVO 4G Android Development] scottspa74:
Ok, but I believe unrevoked leaves you with clockwork, and I like to stay as far away as possible from that product.

And I do understand that clockwork has option for amonRA, but it sounds like not all RAs are compatible. Thus the point of this excellent, informative thread
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
Ok, so just install ROM Manager and hit "Flash Alternate Recovery". Clockwork alone doesn't do anything. I rooted my Evo before Unrevoked, the hard way with ADB where one typo could brick your phone. I facepalmed when I discovered Unrevoked.
[EVO 4G Android Development] teeism:
Agree. This thread is definitely informative. And zikronix's root method is flawless too. Couldn't be clearer and easier to follow. Thanks!
[EVO 4G Android Development] JRAdagreat72:
now I just discovered this AFTER I flashed the new RA 2.22. Now when I flashed a ROM, I can't seem to get any mobile data. Is this somewhat related to that?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
Not at all. Try this:

Settings -> Updates -> Update Profile & Update PRL

Also go to Settings -> Wireless & Networks and make sure Mobile Network is checked.
[EVO 4G Android Development] JRAdagreat72:
I did both of those. I had unchecked it BEFORE I flashed from CM7 to CM7 ex.9 (both nightlies if that matters). went to a Sense ROM to do the updates and still nothing.
[EVO 4G Android Development] TheNinja370:
I was an RA 1.8 user, but decided to try Rom Manager after installing CM7. I have had no problems whatsoever backing up with Clockword Mod via Rom manager, than flashing back to RA 2.2.1 to restore my Nandroids of MikFroyo, etc. (that were made with 1.8, btw). Rom Manager kicks ass. I love it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mrkevo3000:
Question? so i ran a emulator and got back 20000, is that the old partition! I have an Evo running fresh 3.5.1 and was trying to flash updated radio.zip from 2.15.00.07.28 to 2.15.00.11.19, my firmware is 0003, I installed rom manager from the market and flashed the recovery, i had already downloaded and moved to the root of my storage card the updated radio zip from geek me dot com! when i went into rom manager and selected to enter into recovery mode, install zip from sd, it ran and was done in like 7seconds, soon as i rebooted the phone i got a scrambled looking image then phone boot up normally, but it didnt update my radio version! so i went back to cmod and lashed the ra v2.2 recovery, should i boot into recovery by turnig phone off and pressing required buttons or try rom manager again with the new ra v2.2 recovery!
[Desire HD General] aniketsharma9865:
Hi..i m new to htc devices...i just bought dhd yestrday...now i want to remove some stock apps like stocks qeep ect..that keep runing in the background drains the battery n memory...i read abt rooting...bt its bit confusing..as my aim is to only remove few apps...so i want to root,remove apps and thn unroot again...i dnt want anything more than that...so i just wanna know the perfect process for it as i dnt want to install any custom rom...i want to stuck to the stock firmware...i dnt evn know how to check bootloadr n all....i evn dont know what it is...n what this custom roms are...thnks...i had sony ericsson xperia 10 n galaxy tab...on those devices rootin was so easy wid z4root...n aftr removing few apps i unroot again...so i want something like that...thnks...
[Desire HD General] v6kgang:
@ OP.

You can Temp Root it with Paul's Visionary app - available for download from Modaco site.You have a detailed Process guide posted here in General Forum for Rooting and Removing Stock apps with titanium backup-

PS: kindly Search the forum before posting to avoid duplication of topics. Thanks
[HTC Aria Accessories] Javi97100:
Can someone give me a link to a charger that charges the battery and not the phone, cuz I have a spare battery and I need a way to charge it
[HTC Aria Accessories] 911jason:
http://www.fommy.com/view-full-page.asp?divid=ATT&model=ATT+HTC+Aria&cat=Batteries&skuno=88928

http://www.amazon.com/Desktop-Charger-Battery-T5555-Accessories/dp/B0046YNVV6

http://store.androidandme.com/mobi-products-cradle-w-spare-battery-slot/5A100A7460.htm

http://www.buy.com/prod/for-htc-ari...ck/q/sellerid/24501607/loc/111/217304821.html

I'm sure there are many, many more as well. Got these by searching Google for HTC ARIA DOCK.
[HTC Aria Accessories] Javi97100:
K thanks
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hussain Isa:
I've seen some videos on youtube shown that iPhone users are able to use BBM on their handset. so is it possible to do the same for our androids?:confused:
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gordonx10i:
I've looked for an app equvilant of bbm with no luck

Whatsapp and pingchat are 2 that bb users can use but its not free.