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[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Dude don't ruin the thread, and please do some research. Android has a ton of games. Multiplayer and cross platform games. Not to mention the use of the Unreal gaming engine(pushes CPU).

But this isn't a Android thread so lets not mention it. Focus on WP7 for a change.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mike21pr:
I hope microsoft thought about this when they selected it to be the only supported cpu atm.

But my main question is, if a game was to be made from the ground up specifically for wp7 and snapdragon, and the game resembles a lot like NOVA for example (first person shooter) in detail and complexity, can the processor run it without issues??
[Windows Phone 7 General] cbebop7:
IMO its just going to be like the iPhone. The iPhone 2nd gen can still run most games that the iP4 can... but just with longer load times and lower frame rates.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Yes. ACreed is already on WP7 from the makers of Nova.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
If the developer wants to make money, it will run without issues. The CPU isn't as terrible as some seem to want to make it out to be...
[Windows Phone 7 General] VonCrisp:
You have to consider that MS actually wrote some decent drivers for this CPU/GPU.

I do not know if you remember this but before Qualcomm bought out the ATI mobile solutions division HTC had real trouble with the gfx card drivers due to laziness and licensing. This issue was present up until only the last few 6.5 devices that were made. Instantly this CPU/GPU was regarded as better but still not there yet (HD2). Qualcomms own presentations showed the chip running at much more potential.

Simply put. MS realised that HTC cant write drivers to save their lives,(homebrew projects were started by the community to save devices such as the X1 etc) so they wrote their own.

This might not be the best example but if you check videos of side by side comparisons (Nexus S vs Focus/Omnia 7) you will see that WP7 manages to be more fluid displaying websites then a Hummingbird Android combo.

I believe the chip hasn't been used to its full potential yet. If it will be fully utilized in a years time for lets say games... is debatable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] OGCF:
In addition to that, I think a lot of performance depends on the software running on top of it. For example, everyone gets caught up in the powerhouse specs of Android--but maybe because Android is a custom version of Linux the software is 'heavier' and it requires a lot of power from the CPU. Meanwhile, WP7 software seems to be running much faster than Android on a slower CPU and that is most likely because Microsoft has done a fantastic job of keeping the OS optimized for the hardware and maybe even hardware accelerated (to use the CPU's full potential).

It's like viewing a picture with Photoshop versus viewing a picture with a default Photo Viewer. On a fast computer, the speed difference between opening either one is probably not a big deal. But on a slower computer, Photoshop will take longer to open than the Photo Viewer. Both programs are identical on both computers, but the Photo Viewer has less to load and was designed to open faster than Photoshop.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
100% sure you guys can't put any facts behind that, yes WP7 has a graphic accelerated UI, but beyond that, the speed isn't anything to brag about. Wow you can get around your phone fast, these days who can't?

Load the same game up on all three platforms and WP7 is dead last.

IOS vs Android vs PC due in January.

IOS vs Android vs PC vs console gaming due in 2011

Cross platform real time multiplayer gaming just a pipe dream on WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Xylias:
WP7 features the SnapDragon SoC AND an Adreno 200 GPU. The GPU is the one handling the animations and such while the CPU focuses on the rest. Now I'm not saying it's a speed monster, but it's more than enough.

@Above: Alot of Android phones are still plagued by choppiness, not by Android itself, but by the Skins OEMs put on it. Motorola is the notorious one. But consumers do not know and will blame android for it instead.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
who can't get around their phone fast? Android and RIM. Let's be realistic, in terms of GPU, both Oses are poor. I mean REALLY poor.

The load test is a bit difficult for a lot of reasons. Most of the wp7 devices uses microsd card and that has been KNOWN to attribute to slow loading, not as much as the cpu/gpu. Also is there an objective test that loads the same 3 games on the three smartphone platforms? It's no question apple would be first using flash based storage, it is meant to poll data at a faster rate than microsd card.

secondly, microsoft does have support for real time gaming and a few more details due to using CE7 core

Check more about that

http://wmpoweruser.com/wm7-is-ce7/

recently however, the news story has been verified that CE7 is underlying wp7 not CE6 with bits of CE7

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we saw real time gaming as early as next year on wp7 platform

I don't think snapdragon is terrible either. It's been underutilized but not terrible by any means. I also agree that a lot of the reasons there is horrid runtimes is because it is a fast port and the port isn't Optimized for wp7. Microsoft has done an unbelievable job for the porting process, but developers just stop there. There is no further optimization sadly and that is a shame
[Windows Phone 7 General] krjcook:
While I think a better processor would be ideal, I don't think its gonna be a problem for WP7. You see the thing about Android is that it REQUIRES all these specs that the fanboys rave over to run smoother. WP7 is already there. Android has a bigger footprint than WP7 and requires more power. This is the problem with android and gaming. I have Angry Birds on my phone, Moto Cliq, and it loads slowly and plays poorly. I deleted because I can't play a game a 2fps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ see what I mean you blame the OS because of your phone. That's not Androids fault, put those exact same Motorola Cliq specs in a WP7 device and you will have the same result.

Dominues lets be realistic what can you do faster on WP7?

Yes there is a video on YouTube of Acreed loading on WP7 and Android, took android seconds, took WP7 damn near a minute or two.

Who said anything about microSD chips?

CE7 supports multiplayer gaming, WP7 itself doesn't. Right now at this very moment it is impossible to play a realtime multiplayer game on WP7. Its a pipe dream right now.

You can say potentially the January update will correct this, and I can say potentially WP7 will launch the next NASA mission.

Another thing why do you guys have to mention the fault of another OS but brush off the faults of WP7 as if its acceptable?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
says the resident wp7 hater...

All I know is that the same games on my hd2 and hd7, the hd7 games are graphically much better and have videos integrated that I hadn't seen on a mobile game before.

I've played a lot of android games on my hd2 running android, and android just isn't there for gaming. You have, what, one game that you can play with the iphone fanbois???
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
This is exactly why I switched to WP7. I have a vibrant and while I LOVED the screen, I felt it was pointless because there was not enough great games out on android. N.O.V.A. dragon age, and asphalt were awesome and alot of fun but those had to be bought directly from the gameloft app store. Why is that? Becasue the android market / platform has terrible security. Developers don't want to spend a long time creating an awesome game and then have it pirated a couple hours later.

Overall I already have much better games on my WP7 device. All my friends with galaxy S series phones can't believe the games I have on it in terms of quality and quantity.

I don't get the big buzz about angry birds also, its simple and fun for a little bit, but don't you think its quite repetitive? I knew I never once pulled out my vibrant thinking "lets play angry birds" after I beat it the first time.

Android does have the best hardware for games (nothing even comes close) however, the apps just aren't there, so who is to blame? The OEMs or the OS? I'd say the OS.

The only thing that beats WP7 in the games department is the iPhone. This is only true because of how long it has been out and it has the biggest market share. As a developer you developer programs for the largest group of potential buyers. Android does not factor in because it has a culture of having free apps and "free" apps. The latter being the reason why top game developers stay away.
[Windows Phone 7 General] davidebanks:
so far i havnt seen anything from the 1ghz snapdragon processor to make me thnk its great. yes the wp7 interface is fast and fluid but the games themselves do not run as fluidly as i would like. despite having a 1ghz processor like the iphone, wp7 games dont seem to be as smooth probably running at 25 fps while i phone games look like they are running closer to 60 fps. :( im waiting for ilmilo milo or what ever its called to confrim this as so far it looks liek the smoothest wp7 game. rocket riot is currently the smoothest ive seen on wp7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
bootup, scroll, loading of native programs...I think that's a bit hefty right there

1. link?

2. was the game loaded on nand or sd card? Do we need to go through this ad nauseum? Nand is faster than sd card there is no question about that. However, in general sd card loading is SLOW. Period

3. You also fail to take into account graphic detail. let's be realistic. Windows Phone 7 does look better, and is larger than android games. Heck the Acreed game looks antiquated on android...and that's on the best android device
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
OK OP question has been answered. Thread gone to opinionated bias people who don't like facts. Opinion after opinion. Where are the facts?

Dude said Android has only one game that they can play against IOS, shaking my head. Then another guy says scrolling is faster when I asked what can you do faster, is that your best answer? Shaking my head. After that he said ACreed looks antique on Android, when in fact its the exact same game. I give up because you guys are not willing to accept faults and facts.

Enjoy your fantasy world, and let the shameless name calling continue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
just looked at a youtube video of assasin's creed on android, it looks like the winmo version, while the wp7 version, the graphics are sharper. And this was a galaxy s phone, vs my hd7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
so, the fact that we don't agree with your android fanboism means we are the ones that are wrong???

Sorry, I found about 7 games that are cross platform. Graphics still suck.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
ACreed HD is the exact same on all 4 platforms.

Here is one IOS vs WP7, bias but its a video. Go to the 5:25 mark and see how long it takes to load the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fwYH8AkwlU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I can film mine when I get home.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Yet another shameless name calling, along with a pointless opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Please can you post this link?
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
I love how you pronounce a thread answered and dead when you are A) not the OP or B) not a mod. :rolleyes:

Does it worry me? No, because like I said, I see more out of this platform than android. The iphone still has a better overall experience, but its on a 3.5 in screen and that worries me more than the processor.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I think we've already discussed the load times being longer on wp7. My point is that the graphics look better on my lcd hd7, than on the super amoled galaxy s.

So you are not an android fanboi? I think your post history speaks differently. Your opinions are no more valid or rooted in fact than mine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
i think we all know about the loading times problem. Most of it though is contributed to the fact that microsd cards were used over nand. Loading times ARE a problem, but isn't overall experience more important? Didn't the market choose PS over n64 even with the loading time problem? The same could be said about ps2 over xbox.

While YES the loading time of games DOES need to be improved, does it take away from everything else this platforms also? I don't think its even near a deal killer for me.

Even on the n1 (still the one and only holy grail for all android phones) experienced slow downs when you used apps2sd. I'm not even talking about google's terrible implementation of it either, but the real android hacks that installed apps to the sd card over the internal nand. It is a well established fact microsd suck for this and I hate that my HD7 took this short cut, but it isn't like all android phones have proper nand anyway also.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I love youtube

Acreed HD on samsung

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_1-TGPiIg

Acreed HD on wp7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx3ZkjJ-mpc

judge for yourselves

maybe its just me but on android it looks like a ps1 game...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
At what point do the gaming graphics differ? Please point it out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
are you going to ignore every point I have made?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
probably, that is what he does.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Is this what you are referring to? If so, you said nothing argumentative. You didn't say that something sucks nor did you blurt out lies and you acknowledge faults. I respect that, nothing wrong with that. I never said that this will take away from the overall experience.

Interesting fact

ACreed on the HD2 running Android off the SD card loads faster than WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
the start menu...from top to bottom the wp7 experience is more smooth, not jumpy crisp sharp and detailed...

I am honestly reminded of a ps1 game on android

both hd2 and samsung epic 4 (and let me just say the samsung epic out of the box is a slow POS)

oh for the love of fuzzy...
[Windows Phone 7 General] jsgiv:
IMHO - The graphics are about the same - however, the WP7 version obviously runs much smoother/quicker overall than the Galaxy/Android version - most likely due to the possibility of GPU acceleration/better drivers on the WP7 device?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mike21pr:
Thanks for the feedback guys!! *Before the flame war that is...*

So to recap, since the OS has a smaller footprint than competitors, proper drivers, and hardware acceleration, then the ol 'dragon should chug along just fine, rite..? Sure, load times might suffer since sd card load times dont help. But as long as the developer optimizes heavy games properly like its supposed to (as opposed to a dirty port) then graphics and framerate should be great

.....that sounds about correct, rite?

*As you were*

:-D
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
yep thats the way i see it.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bluefoxav:
Hey guys this is my first post here and I tried to search for an answer before posting. Here's what I have:

-HTC Hero CDMA

-cyanogenmod 6.1 heroc

-most recent sprint radio 2.42.01.04.27

-decafuct kernel 2.6.29.6

-open home full 4.4

Since I installed the new kernel and radio two things are happening.

1. Thy wifi says 'error' when I try to turn it on.

2. Everytime I reboot as soon as the home screen comes up it says that openhome had a problem and needs to be closed so I select forclose (my options are forceclose and report) Then after a second the home screen shows up, I see the the phone is mounting my sd card and my icons are all there but they are the generic android icons. If I click on any it says, this application is not installed. So I go into application manager and force close openhome again, and that restores it. Also any Widgets I had installed has the error 'problem loading widget' if I long press the screen to put a widget back, most of the Widgets aren't showing up to select. At least the ones that were running before the reboot. Any ideas? I've tried starting in safe mode and the home screen never comes up all I can access is the status bar on top.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KBizzle:
Wrong section.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
See the 4th sticky:

PLEASE POST "Questions" and "Non ROM developement" THEADS IN THE CORRECT FORUMS
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vita10gy:
Deca had a problem with his kernal for about a 24 hour period that did exactly what you're saying with the wifi. I suspect you have that one. Try downloading his newest.

I have no idea on problem 2 though, sorry.

Edit: Actually I had one thought, make sure openhome (and maybe those widgets) are installed to your phone, and not on your sd card.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bluefoxav:
Yeah, i made that 2 hour mistake a few weeks ago. But it is on the phone. I even removed adw.launcher as a last effort
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chamon:
hi...

I hope somone can help me..(Please)

I installd Darkys 7.0.2 now.

after its was finished the phone wont start. its black, cant do anything.

Is my phone dead???

Please help
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kewjoe:
Describe the steps you took to install Darkyy's 7.0 Rom?

What firmware and recovery did you have before you flashed the new rom?

Can you access Recovery or Download mode still? (make sure you pull your battery and reseat before attempting this)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chamon:
I had darkys 7.0.

Today i flashed darkes 7.0.2

I placed the rom on sd

opend rom manager

Install ROM from SD card

wipe data/cache.

when it install was finished the phone just die.

i tried to start with 3 way comb its black.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaju123:
You were meant to install with CWM I believe.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chamon:
I just follow the instr..

can i reseat the phone by pressing some button on the phone?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dani31:
Seems like an empty battery to me :D

Rom Manager is an app that uses CWM recovery, it's the same developer for both.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chamon:
What can i do?

Is the phone dead?

I have charge the phone all night, still dead.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Prasad:
Does your phone have the 3 button combo enabled ? Are you able to access Download or Recovery mode ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chamon:
i have 3 combo..

it dont work.

when i charge still black dead.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Prasad:
Does your battery charging icon show when your phone is off and charging ?

You can also try removing the battery, reinserting it and quickly trying to access download or recovery mode. See if that works...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pete-vtr:
if all the methods and jigs to power up the phone fail, then you have fully bricked it.

it happend to me aswell i have fully bricked my sgs and nothing worked to turn it back on.

sent it away to samsung for repair 2weeks ago and its now on its way back with a new motherboard, lesson learnt.

SEND IT TO SAMSUNG THEY WILL FIX IT
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dakine:
Take the battery out, wait 15 seconds, push 3 button combo while inserting the battery, repeat if necessary. If still no recovery or download mode then buy a jig or send it to Samsung.
[General Questions and Answers] ceng7904:
Ok guys, I'm a big nooby. I just rooted my phone last night. It was pretty easy to flash the rom and all that, but I'm having a problem. I can't seem to find a google apps download anywhere for cm6. I have the htc hero cdma. Could someone please please please post a link for a download of google apps? Thanks in advance!
[HD2 General] Dac-os:
Hi

I want to be notified when someone from my friends hase birthday, so i instaled

manila birthday, but it is showing me only 1 birthday.

I have htc hd2 with 3.14 stock rom

I have all my contacts sync with Facebook, and if i go in all peoples menu and in contact settings i can see the birthday but not in Manila Birthday.

What should i do...
[Android Software Development] aptgopal:
Hi

I am using eclipse-SDK-3.5 for windows .In that at the time of opening the XML layout window that will producing the following error

NoClassDefFoundError:could not initialize class sun.awt.image.BufImgSurfaceData

How to solve it and how to view the XML Layout

Thanks in Advance
[Android Software Development] spolfliet:
I read about this error before. I think it has something to do with the new ADT plugin not being compatible with your eclipse version. I thought the solution was to install the latest version of eclipse.

EDIT: here is where I read about the same problem: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/deade4efa641542a
[G Tablet General] duchski:
I have a gtab with the latest stab clean ROM and 2G 256mb partition. I fixed the market but can't get Skype to go passed the signing screen.... any tips????
[G Tablet General] XANAVirus:
Mine signs in okay. Is it giving you any errors?

I have the latest TNT-Lite version.
[G Tablet General] thomasca:
I'm having this same issue, and can't seem to find an answer.
[G Tablet General] lifeisfun:
Working fine for me on vegan 5.1
[G Tablet General] vectorcharlie:
Same issue, vegan 51 and clemsy latest... Maybe something with the changed "build.prop" for swype?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] luismanson:
This kernel is a new one with the recovery STEAM insteaod of the normal one, it support a lot of options, take a look :D

to use it:

apply extract the zip and apply the tar in odin as pda or also extract the tar and apply the zimage as kernel with heimdall

NOTE this is for the 2 froyo roms i know

EDIT:

V2

This is the v2 version, not many changes but from the SpeedMod Kernel by hardcore i used:

* Optimized compiler flags: -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp -fno-gcse -fprefetch-loop-arrays --param l2-cache-size=512 --param l1-cache-size=64 --param simultaneous-prefetches=6 --param prefetch-latency=400 --param l1-cache-line-size=64

Also there are some memory twaks from that thread, i got 334 of total RAM, please check your SGS before flahsing because by mistake i didnt and now im not sure if it did any change :P

CHECK camera/vide/radio/tv/games

PD i added ext4 and JFS, but i did not tested them

No go and thank him an zstupy for this great work
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] nachin:
Probando...
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] ragin:
Is it a fully working Steam??? I will surely try if it is.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] luismanson:
i tryed some options and it worked, testing is welcome :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] ragin:
Does it replace the CWM? Does it have all the basic CWM functions working? To go back, can we just flash another kernel with CWM or we need to flash a whole ROM?

I guess if you have a 'what's working' list & a 'to-do' list, we can start testing it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Guto ViP:
Hello Luis, i put your Kernel in my SGS and now it dont show my IMEI.

I`m using Froyo JPD...

EDIT: Well... I done one Factory Reset and now IMEI turn show again...

What improviment i got with your Kernel? Have BLN?

Cya.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] carcassudo:
i didn't try yet, but it a good thing u to list the improvements done from the stock one.

it should give u more visibility!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] ragin:
Seriously forget about BLN & other petty stuff. Go ahead and make a working STEAM KERNEL..

PS : This is some real good work.

PS2 : You need to put a BOUNTY on it. :)

PS3: checkout & rename your [ALPHA] to a version # looks good on the Title.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] luismanson:
im not doing a lot of improvements, im working on some ideas on the work other ppl does for the other SGSs versions and thinks i would like, like this steam kernel

it is my V3 base kernel, it has tinyRCU, ondemand scheduler and BFQ sched

there is NO BLN because it caused problems with a2dp audio :(