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[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pirateghost:
i appreciate you trying to belittle me, but you have failed. i am not retarded nor do i need you to 'type slower'

i think you need to understand something

what you are referring to are 2 completely different issues.

one is an issue with the way your computer is reading your phone storage

the other issue is that you think that nandroid doesnt work because it doesnt back up external sd

i know you think you got this whole thing figured out and you are deadset on combining the issue, but they arent the same

have you ever used another android device? prior to this years onslaught of android devices, they had very little internal storage. one of the perks 2.2 brought to the table introduced this little thing called APPS2SD, perhaps you have heard of it

this is PURELY speculation, but PERHAPS, just PERHAPS, the nandroid script for 2.2 was written with this in mind? you do realize that nandroid is not a product of samsung galaxy s phone development?

nandroid works fine for me. yes i see that error, but you know what? i dont have any apps INSTALLED on the external SD....gasp!! installed i say

my nandroid makes a backup of my current system....when i restore to that system, its like i never left it....hmmm....and that has NOTHING to do with external sd....

you see, the problem here is your lack of comprehension of how the system works. when i pointed out that the 2 issues are completely different you wanted to get defensive and start calling me a retard.

its not that i dont care about your drive letters...its that i dont care what MY drive letters show up as. you know why? i dont use windows media player for anything...i copy my music to my sdcard manually...mainly because its so easy my 7 year old can understand it

this last post finally shed some light on what you think the problem is. your first post did not. thank you for that...i guess you expected me to read your mind

NOW

your issue with windows media player is with...well, windows media player and/or windows. surprise! i would say take Rich's suggestion of manually changing your drive letters and making sure that windows media player isnt trying to write to both devices at the same time....

i wish you could see outside your little window....but i guess its a little fogged over with the hatred you have for me and apparently, other slow people. congratulations on being better than me. i am sorry, sir
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mac11700:
I'll try this a different way and see if it will help...

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[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mac11700:
Let me digress here a little bit...

First off Pirate Ghost...I sincerely do apologize if you think for 1 second I was calling you a retard...I was not implying this...sometimes my fingers work faster than my brain can sustain it's control of them..This was a jab at myself..not you..ok

Now..I know your skill set far exceeds mine when it comes to the Android os..This was never in contention or debate..Nor was this about cause and effect...This was mainly it was about the effect aspect of what I have found on my phone and wishing to enter into discussions with others about what is happening on there phones that have shown the same thing when viewing how their drive sequence is. This is why I asked my OP as I did..I should have been clearer I understand..and again apologize for not being so and will again rephrase it to reflect this sentiment.

Now...I didn't expect to this to spiral downward by having a pissing contest with you..but..I am not going to continue it here..If you wish to discuss this in an adult manner..I suggest we take it to PM..

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[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avgjoegeek:
Nope - shows the drive letters in the 'correct' order i.e. F: is the internal SD Card and G: is the external.

Um.. have you tried just renaming the drive letters inside of windows?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mac11700:
Nope...not yet...I got a replacement phone yesterday because of the shut down issue I was having...That one was a 1009 build...The replacement..a 1010 build they gave me exhibits the same phenomenon...On my wifes phone which was purchased at the same time at the same store from the same shipment of phones the store received..which is also a 1009 build...hers doesn't exhibit this behavior..My new phone is scheduled for delivery today BTW...so I will be checking closely if it does the same thing.

I know now we can change how windows sees the drives..but am curious from those who have the same issue if their data is being directed to the wrong place as mine does at times...I don't believe just changing how windows recognizes the drives will correct the problem the phone has..but sure as heck will make it easier to copy files over to it..

To me..this is another issue folks just getting into these phones should be made aware may happen..since a couple other folks besides myself that use Windows have had the same thing show up with theirs in stock form.

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[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avgjoegeek:
BTW.. this issue isn't necessarily the phones problem but with how Windows recognizes the USB device connected to it.

But it shouldn't matter how the Drive Letters are setup even if they are backwards if your just trying to access data on the SDCard's on the phone.

If you need to have the drive letters in a specific order.. I would try changing them as I mentioned before and see if that fixes it. The phone shouldn't care about drive letters since it is technically a linux device.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
ok...lets focus on TiBu. To back up to external you have to set the path for the back up folder (MENU - PREFERENCES - BACKUP FOLDER). What are you specifically typing for your patch when you goto TiBu to change the backup Folder?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mac11700:
Actually...it is a phone issue...not Windows..Being able to see that the drives are out of sequence is just a heads up...in that something isn't correct with the phone...

It doesn't matter how I set Ti to back up..nor Astro...Nor Co-Pilot..nor any other application...it is the phone that is screwed up...Data goes onto both the internal and external storage sometimes in duplicate and triplicate..without doing anything at all..

I will say this again...this isn't a Windows Issue and it certainly isn't a set up issue...This is a phone issue and I would like to discuss it with those that see this on their PC's...

Seeing the drives are out of sequence...is the flag for this issue here guys

...and if all that was involved was to correct seeing the correct sequence was at issue here...then I wouldn't have even brought this up...If you don't have this issue...or haven't seen this issue on yours...then read what I said in the OP. If this doesn't matter to you..so-be it...that is up to you..but it does matter to me, and it might matter to someone else.

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[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] upNsmokeAllDay:
What is your backup process that you get errors like this? I have never had issues doing a nand backup with the drives either way. If you use TiBu you need to go into preferences and change it from titaniumback to external_sd\titaniumbackup to get your backups to go to the external and not the internal sd card.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mac11700:
Actually...it is a phone issue...not Windows..Being able to see that the drives are out of sequence is just a heads up...in that something isn't correct with the phone...

It doesn't matter how I set Ti to back up..nor Astro...Nor Co-Pilot..nor any other application...it is the phone that is screwed up...Data goes onto both the internal and external storage sometimes in duplicate and triplicate..without doing anything at all..

I will say this again...this isn't a Windows Issue and it certainly isn't a set up issue...This is a phone issue and I would like to discuss it with those that see this on their PC's...

Seeing the drives are out of sequence...is the flag for this issue here guys

...and if all that was involved was to correct seeing the correct sequence was at issue here...then I wouldn't have even brought this up...If you don't have this issue...or haven't seen this issue on yours...then read what I said in the OP. If this doesn't matter to you..so-be it...that is up to you..but it does matter to me, and it might matter to someone else.

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UpNsmokeallday...my back up process is to do a nand back up through the recovery menu..and also when asked when flashing any custom rom to make a back up when given that option on that paticular rom. I get the same message..
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
1. I do see mine "in wrong order" all though i would argue that is more of an individuals perspective/perception than anything. My External is F and my internal is G so by your definition they are backwards.

2. The way my sdcards are labeled when mounted to PC has had ZERO effect on my ability to backup data to my external SDcard

3. Specifically regarding TiBu it does in fact matter because you have to SPECIFY the backup folder if you want it to backup to a specific location....if you don't do such or enter the wrong path then it won't back up to the external obviously. It really was a simple question but if you prefer to get defensive and beat up those that simply try to help troubleshoot i guess that is your option.

So i will ask one more time....

You said Tibu won't back up to your EXT SD which requires you to set the path to get it to do such.

Is it that difficult for you to simply open TiBu....open MENU....choose PREFERENCES.....goto BACKUP FOLDER name and post what you have for the folder path for you Backup.

(or if you prefer specify the backup locations listed in Astro)

The first step in providing support is to rule out the obvious/easiest cause....User directing the backups to the wrong path. You refuse to provide the info to do such.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
I certainly have that same criteria......and no i don't believe what you are seeing on your PC is a redflag for anything as i see the exact same thing and can do everything you are saying your device and processes are failing to do.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] upNsmokeAllDay:
You dont have the phone hooked up to the pc when you boot into recovery to do a nand backup do you? If so maybe that is the issue but i cant say as I have never had these issues you are stating when doing a backup in recovery or backing up with TiBu. My sons phone which i tested out alot before wrapping it up for christmas does not exhibit any of these issues either.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mac11700:
Obviously...you are not completely comprehending what my issue...

IF I do nothing.

.and don't specify where the data goes with any of my apps I have downloaded from the market or any media files I have sync'd from my computer to the phone...it still goes on both the internal and external storage......again...this is a phone issue..not a set up issue or just a Windows issue.

I don't know if it is just my phone..or if others are having this weird phenomenon...but..in my case...it is real...and so far..it has done it on 3 different Captivates that show the drive sequence reversed when viewing them on my Windows PC...That is 3 for 3 for me on this...and 1 working perfectly (my wifes) I just tried it on my replacement hone that was shipped to me...No..I am not rooting it or flashing any custom rom on it...cause AT&T is sending me a 10-12 build over night and I should have it tomorrow... I had to jump through their hoops to get a brand new one..not a refurb...(3 replacements)Hopefully that one will not have this stupid issue and work as good as my Wifes Captivate does..If it don't...then I will say the hell with it and get something else..

No...I am not having it hooked up to the PC and flashing any rom..or recovery...I can see the folders and where they are placed via the PC...or though Astro on the new ones..If you can replicate what my phone is doing..do a back up with Astro...and tell me what is put on both drives..Do it with the phone hooked up to the PC...and then with it disconnected...I get the same exact results either way...This is why I consider it a flag of sorts...and something folks should be looking at..

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[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
you may have an issue with your phones mounting of internal/external but i do not believe that how your PC views and labels them has any relation to your issue.....hence most peoples confusion with that part of your post as i suspect many like myself have the same situation when mounted (external labeled with lower drive letter than internal) but do not have the other issues with backing up data to either the internal or external.

In other words the way your drives are being labeled is the NORM vs. being reversed or wrong. I never plugged my phone into PC initially without an SD card inserted so i think it quite likely the only circumstance where the internal is labeled as the lower lettered dive is if it had been hooked up and assigned prior to an external SD being part of the setup).

i am running 2.2 some maybe is something specific with eclair...next time i flash back to stock for a fresh flash i will play with it in 2.1 environment and see what kind of results i have.

If your intention is to only backup to the external then why are you not setting your backup paths to the external sd?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
just to clarify when you said

are you referring to actually mounting the cards for mass storage so they can be viewed on pc as drives vs. just plugging in. (I ask this because you can't run TIBU or Astro backups while your sd cards are mounted to pc in mass storage)

"Do it with the phone hooked up to the PC."

More Specific (obviously plugged in via usb) but:

1. Is usb Debugging on or off?

2. If USB debugging is on are you then Selecting to Turn on USB storage?

(FYI if i leave backup folder default on both astro manager and tibu and run backup with phone unplugged it only saves backups to the default path on internal SD. As stated if you hook up to computer and connect usb storage (mount cards to pc) then you cannot run backup operations out of either program (will get message to the effect of System Requirements not met). If i hook up to pc via usb and don't connect mass storage then i can run the backups and results are the same (they are only saved in the path i specify for the backup whether that be external or external).

When mounted my External = drive F

and my Internal = drive G
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mac11700:
OK...we will try this again...

NO

...it is not normal to see the drives out of sequence on a windows pc...1 more time...NO...it is

not

normal to see the drives out of sequence when viewing the drives in the mounted position with a windows pc...The internal drive is supposed to have the lower designation letter...and the external is supposed to have the higher letter designation...any variance means there may be something wrong with that phone. If you have tried it on several Window PC...and the results are the same...then there is definatly something wrong with it.. It is not about being able to over ride this within Windows...It is about phones being wired wrong and not doing what they are supposed to do within the Android OS...This is (in my case) is a defect with the phone.I have personally owned 3 that it is like this..heard of 3 more..and just about as many as not having this issue...my wifes is included in the later group.

Being able to see the drives out of sequence on a windows PC is a Flag...It is something to take note of..and if it is doing so then checking on your own phone if data is being dumped on the external/internal/or both.Nothing more...Nothing less...If all the data is going where it is supposed to..then I wouldn't worry about it..If it isn't..and you are getting duplicate/triplicate/incomplete files on both drives...then you got the same issue I have..It is not normal to have this happen..

When I said try it and post the results being plugged in or not..meant being plugged in a charging normally un-mounted...vs being unplugged and viewing what data is where by a file explorer namely Astro since that is all I have on my 3rd Captivate at the moment..Also..by flashing a custom rom with it plugged in (as I know you aren't ever supposed to do ) is never recommended and something I won't ever do.I have and will flash back to stock with Odin with it plugged in...but I won't even flash the OTA zip JH7 DG put out with it plugged in.

Just so you know...AT&T recognizes this a a defect with some of these phones..They have a check box to put this in when you call into them..I had this explained to me yesterday when I called them.Why can't others here accept this fact...If you don't believe me and you have one that is doing this..call and register your problem with them..you will see that it is and will get a replacement if your within the warranty period.

I'm glad yours works ok...hopefully when my new one shows up..it will too.

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[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
Uh...please provide the PC documentation supporting your statement that that an internal SD will always be recognized as a lower letter drive than the external.

As i stated with plugged in and unmounted my backups yield the proper results (same as unplugged) despite the same drive configuration as you ("reversed").
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] upNsmokeAllDay:
I just called att tech support and they never heard of this issue and further stated that it doesn't matter how the drives show. Why are you using astro to do a backup anyways? Nand backup should work through CWM without error. No one has ever posted about the problems you have which leads me to think you are doing something wrong. Also the fact that att techs never heard of this issue.

GPS and shutdown issues yeah but not yours. Not flaming. Just offering what I found out myself.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
my sentiments exactly.....the first key to trouble shooting a problem is removing factors/variables that are not causal and/or symptomatic of the problem........all i am trying to do is remove your hang up on something that is your own internalized thought about how something is suppose to be when that is not an actual technical reality in relation to the hardware and OS.

The external being recognized as lower drive is quite common not only for our devices but others as well. I believe the nook does the same thing with drive lettering.

Anyone else here....if you have had an external in your galaxy s since the first time you connected how are your cards labeled in pc.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kegobeer:
Running Windows 7 Ultimate with a stock Captivate, and choosing mass media, G (removable media) shows up first, then F (internal). The same happens when I set USB debugging. This is on a 1010 phone.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
i am running win 7 froyo (but my drive labels were same with stock)

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[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mac11700:
All I am going with is what the warranty repair department told me was a known issue,and I have had 2 replacement phones authorized because of it..The first rep that I had had to look..but it is so noted on where he was looking on his screen..Same for the second rep..

I can download different apps from the market..and wind up with the same files on both freshly formated drives...and yet...accordingly to some I am doing something wrong... The Android folder with the data folder inside is deposited after flashing on both drives..is anyone elses ? The android_secure folder on both drives..is yours ?..On my wifes 1009 build Captivate..the Android folder is on the internal storage..while the android_secure is on just the external card..I have duplicate folders from the bluetooth on mine...anyone else ?..My backed up apps from astro are on both...Oh..I forgot...I shouldn't use it right..?The reason I use it over anything else is because no data is ever backed up..just the apps..I don't have to change any settings to get this..and I don't back up any data. On my wifes phone it only goes on the internal storage..and never on the external sd card..

I don't have to do anything to make this happen..it just does it..but yet...I am at fault ? Sure...ok

I passed on what I have read..and what I have been told..If this differs from yours experiences......C'est la vie

According to my tracking number AT&T sent me this afternoon...my fourth and final Captivate will be here Thursday..I am hoping for the best with this new one

Have a Happy New Years

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[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smokestack76:
Just for fun use root explorer and go into Ext folder and compare vold.conf and fstab and vold.fstab to whats on your wifes phone. see if anything looks diffrent. Might be able to swap them and reboot. Not sure though.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smokestack76:
Check your permissions on your ext_sd card as well. Should all be checked but the middle one for other i think it is.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
Could a compatibility issue/malfuntion with your SD card not to the point of preventing it from working but how its being mounted internally within phone. From what you describe it almost sounds like the entire OS is installed on both internal and extrernal. Is this a used phone used or a replacement unit?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
had your tried formatting the external. Removing it.

Then without external installed.....reformatting the internal, masterclear, reflash stock back to the internal without an EXT SD installed?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bames:
Interesting Note:

My sd cards were lettered as yours "reversed". External = F Internal = G

There was a new rom i wanted to flash so i removed my external. Flashed back to stock.

Master Clear.

Left ext sd out of phone during whole process.

flashed new rom.

The first time it booted up i plugged the phone in and mounted. Still picked the internal and labeled as Drive G as it had previously.

Turned of phone. Inserted external SD and rebooted. Remounted. Internal was still labeled G. But instead of labeling the External as F it was now labeled as I.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mac11700:
Neither of the replacements have been rooted..and I'm going to even try at this point.1 is already packaged for return..the other will be tomorrow when my new one shows up.

The first one I had was..and I did just about everything I could including flashing back to stock with it several times formatting both drives..factory reset....and master clearing each time.

I've tried 4 different sd cards...all with the same results. All 3 I have had in my hand are this way..I thought the same thing that it was a compatibility issue with the sd card..which prompted my original call to Samsung and the Galaxy support crew..In my conversations with them..they had seen this before as well in a few phones..

What is totally weird is once I used any different rom over the stock rom..Windows recognizes the drives in the correct sequence..but the data was still being re-populated on the external sd card on the first reboot after reformatting the drives..

Hell...maybe this actually occurring is not real common...and isolated to just a few phones..I don't know..but I can say in all honesty...it has gotten me 2 replacements when explained fully to the Warranty folks at AT&T..exactly what these phones were doing. If they are replacing them just out of courtesy to me as a "valued customer" then that speaks very highly of them...but since they acknowledge the issue to me as a known issue...then I suspect that there have been enough incidents like mine to prompt the exchanges...

I will look real close at what the brand new replacement does when I get it..It's suppose to be in tomorrow sometime..Right now I am reformatting a notebook that will run XP on it...not Vista 64bit..Maybe it has something to do with that OS...I don't know..but I do know I am going to start completely fresh again...and see if this still acts the same..

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