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[G Tablet General] zerozed99:
Difficult question to answer since it ultimately depends on your expectations and personality. Viewsonic has (recently) been pretty good about releasing updates and working with the dev community here at XDA; that indicates that there is a possibility (not certainty) that they will continue to do so into the new year. The G-tablet's hardware will support Honeycomb, so it is reasonable to expect them to release an update IF Honeycomb is released within Q1 or Q2 of 2011.

If you are holding back on loading a rom, the question we need to know "why" before we can give you more meaningful advice. If you're holding off because you're considering returning the unit, that's one thing (and understandable). If, however, you are uncomfortable loading roms, that's another. All I can tell you is that the G-Tablet is a fantastic device with both VEGAn and TnTLite--much better and faster than stock TnT. I anticipate the XDA devs will probably actively develop/improve their roms for at least Q1 & Q2; probably longer if Honeycomb is released within that timeframe. We must acknowledge, however, that Viewsonic's recent updates are making strides into improving the user experience, so that remains an alternative. Bottom line: if you're willing to educate yourself on loading roms and doing the market fix, the G-Tablet is the best bargain out there currently.

As to some apps not working, some apps don't work on my HTC Evo either. The G-Tablet seems to run most apps very well. This is surprising since Froyo & Gingerbread apps aren't really designed for tablets. I see no reason to be alarmed regarding the G-Tablet's ability to run apps or play YouTube currently (which I have no problem with on TnTLite or VEGAn).

There will be better tablets released this year. For one thing, the G-Tablet's screen is poor quality when viewed at an angle. Also the front facing camera is mediocre at best. Other than those 2 issues, the hardware is very solid and will probably not be surpassed until Q3 of 2011.
[G Tablet General] nexusonemeover:
no. do not keep it. i had one last week for two days (long enough to experience the latest update). its not great without the willingness to mod it by the end user.

today i bought a galaxy tab, and its exactly what i was hoping for when i bought the gtablet last week. sure, i now have a monthly data subscription, but only for the first 6 months (tmobile) and then i can drop it. and yes, i did spend more on the device... but maybe thats why the viewsonic product was so bad, because its an entry model device based on awful software and flimsy hardware (mine creaked).

the samsung has everything i was looking for... android market, swype, youtube, flash, etc. etc. etc... its just awesome.

dont wait too long to return. youll be sorry.
[G Tablet General] racedog:
No one can answer that question for you, it is for you to decide. Not even the above poster's answer is valid - except for him and his experience. I also tried the Galaxy Tab and I hated it. Yes, much nicer screen, but the seven inch size was a no go for me. Everyone's needs and experience is different so don't do anything based on what someone here tells you to do.

If you feel up to mod'ing the G you can end up with a nicely functioning tablet, albeit with a screen that has a lousy viewing angle, but, on the other hand for a lot less money than other alternatives.

I am a total noob to Android and went to the irc chat room for the G and someone there walked me through the rom change. I now have a nice unit, runs smoothly, fairly fast and its doing what I need it to do. It still has a lousy screen viewing angle but I also have an extra few hundred bucks in my pocket that I didn't have to put out for a Galaxy that I didn't like.

Ultimately it has to be your decision. There are a number of people in here who are willing to help out if you want to take advantage of their help.

R
[G Tablet General] thebadfrog:
Take it back quickly. Get the Galaxy Tab......wait...didnt I just hear they are locking down the bootloader on it. No Gingerbread or Honeycomb unless Samsung lets you have it. So it has the the potential of being outdated already. But seriously, if your having 2nd thoughts about a purchase....RETURN IT!!!! It's your money. Why would anything we have to say have any bearing on your remorse.
[G Tablet General] dmglakewood:
If you're having buyers remorse already then I would say return it. Usually when someone asks a question like that they have issues or gripes with the device. This tablet has the hardware to be great and the software is catching up to it. There is a decent backing behind the product and that's a great thing. As for the screen users have been running tests with other screens to try and find an alternative.

For me I personally love modding my device to make it my own. If you're the type of person that wants a complete out of the box working tablet then I would return it.
[G Tablet General] xmr405o:
I don't think any of the tabs out today has an advantage over the other. If ur gonna return the gtablet, don't get anything else that's out right now. I would just wait a few months. Or at least wait til the prices drop on the alternative tablets.

As other posters has said, u haven't seen the capabilities of this tablet without flashing a rom or modifying the stock ui.

Just to answer some of ur questions

No I don't think u bought it too early because tegra 2 tabs are gonna be expensive next yr albeit they will probably have better screens and camera. You just purchased a tablet with next years hottest cpu at a pretty fair price.

Yes, viewsonic has earned my trust that they will update this device. I also have the utmost confidence in our current devs to bring us faster roms.

All the apps I have works. If ur talking about the g sensor games then I would agree but that's not a lot of apps.

You tube streaming is super fast on my vegan tab. Other flash sites too! Especially justin tv. I have a wireless n router and when I stream from those sites no stutter at all.

And the screen...umm no comment lol.

Overall, I'm happy with my purchase and u should be too unless u got extra money to spend and/orthe patience to wait til next yr.
[G Tablet General] ronhoney:
No....send it to me.
[G Tablet General] sam96_77:
Thanks everyone. I am not new to android. Mt3g and currently vibrant. But never flashed a rom. So nervous. Things I like are hardware and no contract. On top of that I got it for 30% off. So really a bargain. But I offset it by buying extended warranty.

Called viewsonic cs but that number is not working. Tried 4 times, after the automated voice and 10 mins hold the call disconnects and it got me concerned.
[G Tablet General] popezaphod:
Funny, I can say the same things about my GTablet. Granted, it's maybe 95%-98% of the Market, and I had to tinker with it, but I'm a big boy who likes to tinker.

Unfortunately, the devs here have taken away some of the fun by making it so easy to download and flash the rom.

But hey, glad you are enjoying your Galaxy Tab. And if you were so unhappy with your GTablet, stop trolling the GTablet forums.

-=Sent from my VS GTablet (VEGAn b4) using Tapatalk=-
[G Tablet General] nexusonemeover:
ill rephrase for the sensitive folks... some people need (or want) the device to work out of the box, no changes required. the gtablet just isnt that device.

in an increasingly crowded marketplace where devices are getting better and better at launch, a device like the gtab takes a backseat for out of the box readiness. yes, you can mod till youre blue in the face and get it to do most of what others do from the get go, but having to mod to get it almost there is not optimal for every user.

and to the other deflating comment, i love XDA and i will troll whatever forums and whenever i wish... pardon me for posting an opinion in a public forum. :eek:
[G Tablet General] yzf600:
I was also worried I made a bad decision with my gtab purchase a week ago as well. I came in to an unexpected $400 and decided to treat myself to a gtablet. The day after I got it I flashed the vegan 3 rom. That fixed the "bad software" issue for sure. The my only concern was with the screen. But my worry was 2 fold: 1) viewing angles. 2) "fuzzy" graphics. I'm used to my Droid X having razor sharp fonts and graphics, which the gtab does not. Part of the problem is the screen quality which is related to the viewing angle. I think the bigger part has to do with resolution. The gtab resolution is 1024 x600 pixels @ 10.1" while the Droid X is 854 x 480 @ 4.3". Packing 66% of the pixels into 42% of the screen size helps make things sharper.

So I'm now at the point where I'll keep the gtab. I'm not 100% satisfied, but it's pretty damn good. Maybe there will be luck with finding a better LCD that can be dropped in. If next year a better tegra 2 tablet comes out, then I might just switch and sell my gtab on ebay. I won't get what I paid for it, but I'm hoping to get at least $250 for it. I would have gotten $130 worth of use out of it.

As for flashing a new rom; It is really easy to do with the proper instructions. I had not done any rom flashing since I have a droid x, and was kinda reluctant as well. But now I look back and realize there really wasn't anything to be nervous over. Most of the "caution, you may brick your device" warnings you read are similar to the medical wavers you sign that say "you might die" even though you are just getting some teeth pulled. Yes, it can happen. But most of the time everything works out fine.
[G Tablet General] pine1000:
I think you would need to be happy with it the way it is today to keep it. There are no guarantees that it will get any further updates from VS. In fact it really seems like a product that they had branded just for the holidays.

I'm still undecided about mine, but I suspect that once I see what comes out of CES, the gtablet will probably go back to Sears.
[G Tablet General] nexusonemeover:
^^^ Very insightful reply. And, you made some good points I had not considered.
[G Tablet General] xmr405o:
30% off!!!! U lucky son of a gun haha. Well that makes the gtab a great buy. I'm jealous. :)
[G Tablet General] snipestech:
I was disapointed until Loaded Vegan and did the calibaration fix,also practically bricked it and had to load ubuntu linux cuz windows driver would not work but now i am very happy this thing is so fast!

And mind you the software is not optimized for Dual core processor.

Definately not for the none tech inclined.But if you are willing to root and want a solid Android device this is it!

I could get a galaxy tab but why would i pay for internet i can tether off my evo for free.

Sent from my VEGAn-TAB-v1.0.0b4
[G Tablet General] GameDoctor:
I will try the simple answer. Keep it. :)
[G Tablet General] ecapox:
If you dont want it, ill take it for $250. Wont pay $400 for it from Sears and all the "refurbished" ones on Sears Outlet @ $279 are no where close to me and they dont ship.
[G Tablet General] popezaphod:
Completely agree with you. The Galaxy Tab is, in fact, the closest thing to an Android tablet that works out of the box.

Anyone buying an Android tablet before June 2011 is basically an early adopter. If you want something that Just Works(tm), your best bet is to go the premium route and get a Galaxy Tab. If you don't have the money and don't want a service contract, you're going to have to do some hacking in some way, shape or form to get things working.

And yeah, I can be a crabby ***** sometimes.
[G Tablet General] shanghei:
I am taking mine back today, but not because I hate it, but because my washer just broke, and need a new one more then I need a gtab.
[G Tablet General] thebadfrog:
That is setting your priorities :D
[G Tablet General] sam96_77:
The two big flaws with this device is ffc and screen. I think most of you guys are correct that the hardware on this device will not be surpassed untill late next year. There maybe other devices (motorola) coming next year but I don't want another monthly payment.

Now I need someone to hold my hand to mod the device and load one of the roms. Need volanteers. ;-)

can anyone point me to games that work on full screen. Some of the games that I tried asphalt 5, NFS shift, chessmaster, dungeon XXX(not dungeon defenders) don't work on full screen.

Did anyone buy the sears extended warranty. More importantly has anyone used that warranty. Is it worth keeping?
[G Tablet General] racedog:
If you need help go to http://web.freenode.net and sign into the #tegratab channel. Tons of people in there and someone might be willing to walk you through the rom'ing process. That is how I got mine done. I also shot a little donation to the guy that helped me and you should consider doing the same thing. Doesn't need to be all that much but at least let them know that you appreciate the help.

R
[G Tablet General] tnt2gamer:
You can hold out for something better in the future, but right now it looks to me like Viewsonic is trying hard to keep the updates coming. It also looks like they are watching what the devs are doing on XDA. Maybe they will work some of the fixes into their future updates.

I was unhappy with my gTablet right out of the box, so I immediately followed the steps on the gTablet Super Thread and others to root mine, fix the market, add ad hoc wi-fi support, etc.

Now the custom ROMs are coming with most of the fixes in them already. The custom ROMs are just going to get better, and so are the updates from Viewsonic.

I wouldn't get rid of my gTablet. I am too interested in seeing how much better it is going to get with future updates. :)

I am running TNT Lite 3.1.2 on my gTablet, and I am super pleased with it.
[G Tablet General] TeamSpeed:
It literally takes less time to get the GTab to where one might want it than it does to take it back. You will be hard-pressed to find anything sub-$400 like the Gtab that does what it does with the performance it has.

If you are willing to read through the posts and learn how to update it with update.zip files, you could do the following and in no time have everything up and running:

1) Load up the 3389 Viewsonic update

2) Load up the gapps enhancement pack

3) Install the folio 100 flash apk to fix flash (which actually might be in the gapps update too)

4) Do the market fix steps

5) Install Titanium Backup and backup everything

6) Now go load up apps and customize home pages!

Too bad you had such a bad experience, but the only thing lacking was that software was not on par at the time of the Gtab release, but Viewsonic is listening to the XDA community and has greatly improved its usability in the last month. There are also some hardware based issues on units that should not have passed QA, and hopefully Viewsonic's hardware provider and/or Viewsonic themselves magnify their QA efforts.

Sure it's your opinion based on your bad experience, but that is why others will chime in and say just the opposite, spend much less money, spend a bit of time reading through posts, trying out some updates, and viola, you have a great device for little effort and coin.

I am just finishing up my stock VS with the gapps enhancement, and it is about everything I need it to be at this point. Plus with quandrant scores of 2400-2500, it is very responsive too.
[G Tablet General] irishmn69:
"entry" are you kidding
[G Tablet General] firewater2003:
lol.. good decision!

reply to Shanghei...
[G Tablet General] XANAVirus:
Hey, just a quick question. Sorry for intruding. ;)

I never ran the ViewSonic update, prior to replacing it with the latest TNT-Lite non supplemented firmware. Am I missing out on anything that would have still survived through the process I did to load TNT-Lite on it?

I was under the impression that every single thing on the internal memory would be replaced with the desired 'update.zip' (and so that updating the stock firmware would've been a waste, so I thought, and skipped it).
[G Tablet General] TeamSpeed:
I am not sure what you might be missing, as I am not aware of what all can be found in the different roms. However these update.zip files can either supplement what is on your tablet or replace major parts of it, depends on the intent of the update author.
[G Tablet General] cutterjohn:
He probably means OOB, but it's grossly overpriced for what it is but that's the price for cell phone service provider linkageing, although I suspect that the WiFi only version won't be much better...

IMNHO the BEST argument is that the Samsung sub that produces the Galaxy Tab just ordered a crapload of Tegra 2s from nVidia over their other sub's own A9 multi-CPU SoC... and that Tegra 2 is, basically the tablet target arch. i.e. not matter how the Galaxy Tab slice and dice it, it's just a dead end already, and Samsung is notoriously poor about updating their android phone, so I see no reason for them to be any more vigorous in Galaxy Tab support...

Build quality: mine's actually quite good, no creaking just lousy screen which we all know about, yet I find that I don't notice it much excepting for a few specific occasions.

If you really are unsure, just return the gTab and wait and see what shows up at CES next week IIRC... or maybe return and make do with a hacked Nook Color (cheaper option) until something that you might like better shows up sometime next year, but to me the Tegra 2 is just so fast that it makes every other Android device look pathetic ATM, but you COULD also consider one of the Atom based tablets coming out as well, as they'd likely give you a wider choice of usable OSes ...
[G Tablet General] sam96_77:
Team Speed and everyone else who gave me words of encouragement. Thanks to all of you. I took the plunge (even though I was scared) and did the stock enhancement by rothnic. Man that was awesome and easy. Did the market fix. Flash, youtube etc are all working. I am now waiting to go home and play with my tablet. or should I say gtablet.

Happy New Year everyone.
[G Tablet General] TeamSpeed:
Congrats and enjoy! The only thing that truly concerns me at this point are a few hardware glitches that keep popping up, like battery and charging issues. So far, knock on wood, my particular unit has had no issues and is working like a champ (except for the sleep lag unless I turn off wireless then hit power for sleep).
[G Tablet General] firewater2003:
I second the motion...I thank you to all GEEKY people here to make the Gtablet to the fullest...
[G Tablet General] sam96_77:
Anything exiciting coming out at CES re: tablet? that beats the spec.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rstrube:
Hi Everyone,

I had previously been running the stock I9000 JK3 ROM on my Captivate with xcal's reoriented kernel. Today I decided to install the I9000 JL2 Rom from samfirmware.com.

I started ODIN, entered Download Mode, and flashed the ROM (in the PDA section) with no problem. After the flash had completed, the phone attempted to reboot, but there was nothing but a black screen. I tried every way I know to get into Download mode but nothing works. I don't even get the Phone--!--Computer image that I've gotten in the past when I've messed up a flash.

I've read that this kind of brick occurs when the boot loader is corrupted, and that the only way to fix it is to use a RIFF JTAG box. My question is: what did I do wrong? I flashed many ROMs before, all through ODIN, but was always able to get back to stock if necessary.

My research suggests that it has something to do with sbl.bin. Can someone enlighten me? How can I tell if a ROM will mess up my bootloader? Do ROMs that mess up bootloaders contain the sbl.bin file?

Any advice or information would be greatly appreciated.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avgjoegeek:
If your getting the phone / computer screen you should still be able to restore.

Use the following method to get into DOWNLOAD mode and then Odin 1 click back to stock.

Take out the battery,SIM, and external SDCard

Turn on Odin JH7 1 Click Back to Stock

Plug in your USB cable

While holding down the Volume +/- Button place the batter back in.

If you get the gray battery charging signal - you need to attempt it again. Should go into DOWNLOAD mode and you can restore your phone back to stock.

The SBL.bin is bad mojo if you fubar it as it has important things like being able to use your buttons to get into the different modes (download/recovery). I don't know what else it controls as I'm not a developer.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avgjoegeek:
Also read this on the General thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=775911

interesting stuff about the SBL.bin - so Flashers beware!
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rstrube:
Thank you so much for the information. Unfortunately, I do not see the Phone--!--Computer icon, and I confirmed that the ROM that was flashed did indeed contain an SBL.bin file. The boot loader is most certainly bricked.

I really think a warning about the SBL.bin file should be stickied somewhere prominent, so other people don't make the same mistake that I did.

Thanks Again
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gtchapin:
It works for me

Wow it works for my captivate, after a failed odin update the captivate was death black screen at all, with these procedure I can reflash with odin. thanks a lot.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tikiflame:
after i got a soft brick with odin, all i used since were one click .jar's made for my phone.
[About XDA developers] distortedloop:
Is there a way to ignore an entire thread?

There are just some threads I have no interest in ever reading, but they're popular and always bubble to the top page of the forums I read. I'd rather just not see them at all. ;)

It would be nice to be able to filter these out with a flag or something along those lines.

Have I missed an existing feature?
[About XDA developers] PMGRANDS:
I've Been Wondering The Same!
[About XDA developers] distortedloop:
Is there a way to ask someone in power to consider this as a feature?
[About XDA developers] Deadly:
Yes... see here..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1976627

**Nothing is True... Everything is Permitted**

Muffins.. muffins everywhere!
[About XDA developers] distortedloop:
Thanks, and shame on me for not searching myself.

<stickied right at the top here - sheesh! D'oh!>
[myTouch 4G General] Ducter:
Over on phonedog, they have a poll for the best android phone of 2010..lets show the glacier some love :)

phonedog
[myTouch 4G General] jjlean:
Voted!
[myTouch 4G General] big fancy:
voted! cant believe the evo is leading....
[myTouch 4G General] elbarto7:
should be rename what phone do you own.:mad:
[myTouch 4G General] Ducter:
Come on guys, lets get it ahead of the evo!
[myTouch 4G General] ArcticWolf91:
Voted. There is no way the Evo is better than this phone.
[myTouch 4G General] Chilled26:
The Evo is so overrated.Vote myTouch 4G!
[myTouch 4G General] going_home:
Having owned a G1, MyTouch, Nexus One, G2, Nexus S, and a MyTouch 4g,

I have to say the MT4G is the fastest and best phone for TMO by far hands down.

Yeah its got its stupid bloatware but you can get around that even if you

arent capable of doing the hacks these genius's in here do to phones.

;)
[myTouch 4G General] II-XeenoX-II:
tmonews has one going on also and we are winning! (it helps that you can vote multiple times lol) :D
[myTouch 4G General] Ducter:
lol, the evo is gonna kick all phones asses by the looks of it, and really, its not any better than most phones on the list. I personally think the Nexus One for what it started as it really stepped up the game and finishing it off would be the MYT4G IMO.
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
Change your title to include please vote we need everyone's help.
[myTouch 4G General] Brooklyn Sm00th:
I voted for the mt4g
[myTouch 4G General] bijanian:
Hey, at least we are in second place =)
[myTouch 4G General] splat matt:
Why? Who cares?

MT4G (HTC Glacier) using XDA app.
[myTouch 4G General] greenstuffs:
WTF? Evo 4G in first place? i don't know but that phone is a piece of crap, with a subpar screen and battery life worse than my computer running off my UPS unit. Seriously what is wrong with people? i was thinking may be the N1 but Evo 4G OMG and lets not mention the ridiculous battery life under 4G mode oh and the $10 you give free to sprint. :confused: