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[Bada Software and Hacking General] nani67:
agree with this.....

BADA is superior to Android...

try to develop n improve BADA
[Bada Software and Hacking General] faenil:
quote, leave this Android dreaming...develop in Bada...you've got all APIs..
[Bada Software and Hacking General] aLexzkter:
???

What the heck are you guys talking about?

Bada superior than Android? Are you guys drunk or what?

Jesus Christ...

Of course Bada isn't superior than Android, our OS very simple and limited, and as far as I remember we have less than 5 interesting applications at the moment.

We can't even have shortcuts to our favourite apps in the homescreen(Why would we need such a thing if there aren't even 10 good apps! xD) I'm not talking about games or widgets, buddies...

There's no multitask, there is no web flash support, there is terrible RAM memory management, and there's no way to create folders to sort out your apps either.

I want Android 'cause it doesn't look like a baby's OS and because it also has got lots of good applications.

Furthermore, developers have said they aren't going to develop for so many operating systems; iOS, Android, Windows Phone and Blackberry are too many already!

We aren't going to have our phones for other 2 or 3 years, which is the period it will take Bada to keep up with his competition (in case that happens!). This means we need to get Android by all means, the future's mobile OS, the one Samsung is really interested in, and the one Samsung and many other brands are already using.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] desiguru2004:
guys, I registered myself here after a saw one of the wave forum post about this community. Its not that I was not aware of XDA Dev, and having a Bada forum on it is really a good thing. But when I look at the forum, the same people who started requesting for a Bada forum, are now requesting for Android port for Wave! Then in one of the post I saw same excuse that there are millions of Wave users and developers here are ignoring them. Guys, I have Wave, and i choose it after comparing it with Galaxy. Bada was far supirior that Andriod. Again, going back to the request thread where people were comparing Bada with Andriod and praising it as an out of the box great OS. then why change it to Andriod?

I think there is a community, not sure small or big, who had to compromised on Wave, as Galaxy was very expensive, and they always wanted Andriod. I have not been following different forums or blogs, but I do know that people are asking or searching about more applications, but not for changing their OS. Below is a quote from different request post which started this forum:

So, I am a Wave user, my wife and father has Nokia EM 5800, have used Wildfire for a month before deciding for Wave, reviewed Galaxy S as well. And I still want to run Bada on my phone, but with more apps.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] ronakg:
Why didn't you buy an Android phone in that case? :rolleyes: Did someone sold you the Wave saying it runs Android?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] aLexzkter:
Oh!, excuse me...I wasn't rich enough to get a Samsung Galaxy S.

If you didn't know, Samsung Wave only cost me 29€ with a 8€ per month tariff. The Samsung Galaxy S would have cost me 250€ with a 29€ per month tariff.

I also believed BadaOS had a promising future among the other OS's but I haven't seen any real proof why I still should believe in Bada. There aren't even 10 good apps , there are only stupid widget clocks, some old games and ****ty stuff like that to say the least.

If it wasn't due to that poor developers' contest there was 2 months ago, I wouldn't have installed a single application on my phone.

All I see is that we still haven't got Bada 1.2, and it's unclear whether

Samsung Wave I

owners will get Bada 2.0 in the future. (Only God knows when that Bada 2.0 will be released tho...*sigh*)

On the other hand, you guys can't stop saying 'Bada is far away better than Android'.

What is Bada better than Android at?

Please, don't answer this question, go and create the apropiate thread for that topic, but please, quit talking nonsense in this one.

Last warning, otherwise I'll report this to the moderators.

Thanks.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Infomatrix:
Sorry that I answer your question and you can report this to a moderator but I don't see a reason why an moderator should delete this. And you should know the following things.

Maybe Android is better than Bada. I can't say anything against that. But I don't think that an Android port will be better than Bada.

After months of developing you will still have a half working, buggy Android port. OK, it depends on the talent and skills of the devs, who will work on that project. But if you believe that you will have a perfect working Android port after a few months with all functions and all your problems are solved then it is just naive.

If you are unhappy with Bada then you will also be unhappy with an Android port.

You can't compare an native Android system with an Android port system. Of course there are some good Android ports for smartphones like HD2. But look how many devs and how long they are working on that. And they are still working on that because it is still not finished.

So that's the reason why I believe that the few devs that Bada only has should work on Bada instead of wasting time on a half working Android port. Because an Android port will not be better than Bada.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] sabianadmin:
I am a hacker, i enjoy doing things with my phone that the manufacturer never intended it to do. i might not even put android on the device if there was a port. and i will certainly continue to build on Bada and push for Bada enhancement.

I want a port because i want the choice. Its all about choice so i think everyone needs to calm down. You want Bada enhancements over Android then dont support thins (you are giving it attention by posting on this topic by the way) and go support Bada very simple in my eyes.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] aLexzkter:
Non-100 percent functional Android port, right?

Well, the HTC HD2 is quite different from the rest and people managed to put Android on it. The Samsung Wave is almost identically to the Samsung Galaxy S, we shouldn't miss the chance to see how Android would work on the Wave, goddamn it....
[Bada Software and Hacking General] pauldmps:
Some people are whining against the matter of discussion of this thread. I would like them to remind that it is not the matter of discussion that whether or not Android should be ported to Wave but rather to discuss whether if it is possible & how.

Therefore those who're happy with Bada and/or interested in Bada developing, I politely request them to start a new thread for their discussions & immediately leave this thread.

Those who're are here only to negate things (and/or are insanely rich enough to buy a Galaxy S or iPhone 4) & are just advising others to get an Android phone, I also request them to stay out of this discussion.

I expect constructive community efforts in the forum & hence please contribute in a constructive way in the topics you're interested.

For the question that whether Android is superior or Bada, everyone has their own preferences. However, if you ask a number of people about this, the majority will answer Android.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Infomatrix:
You make a mistake. The fact that the Samsung Wave and the Samsung Galaxy S are almost identical doesn't mean that an Android port will be easy or that there will be a perfect Android port for the Wave in the next months.

Since the Wave and the Galaxy S are on the market, many people believed that. They thought that you can port easily Android on the Wave because its similar to the Galaxy S. But nothing happened so far because it's not so easy like most of the people believe. Some devs even tried it but they resinged.

Samsung did put enough barriers in to the Wave/Bada system to prevent this.

So thats why I think that an Android port will not be better than Bada. I don't mean Android OS in general.

By the way the HD2 is not quite different from the rest. The devs can use some modified custom roms from the HTC Desire and work with it and the HD2 doesn't have as much as barriers like the Wave. The HD2 has also obviously more devs and hackers than the Wave. But there is still no 100% working Android port for the HD2. And even after such a long time of development the HD2 devs are still working on their HD2 Android ports every day to make it better and to add new functions.

So you can't compare the Wave and the HD2 or the Wave and the Galaxy S easily.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Product F(RED):
I'm not a Windows Mobile expert, but I'm pretty sure it's easier to "root" a Windows Mobile phone than to root a Wave. The HD2 ran Android because it ran it THROUGH Windows Mobile, not instead of it or through a boot menu. Only recently were you able to totally replace WM by flashing Android to NAND.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Nokser:
I will try to buy a phone system BadaOs.

Then I can dig in that system and see how the port.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] desiguru2004:
Just few days ago, the same group of people were praising Bada, and posting good thing about that on this website, asking admin to start a Bada forum. That was good. But when I see same group of people posting bad things about Bada, and asking others over and over again to pick up a project for porting Anroid on Wave, this looks like to me that the main aim to get a Bada forum over here was to get some of the senior developer into Android port project. This is where I don't like the way this thread was going on. Discussing the possibility is something else, but read the whole thread (i did, today morning) and you will see what I am talking about. This thread is not about discussing the possibility, but actually asking/pleading people to port Android on Wave!

Also, to answer your question about being rich, Android phones are much cheaper than Samsung Wave, so its not about rich or poor, its about choice. If you don't like Bada, change the phone, you can always sell it in market. Go for a native Android phone. You don't have to go for Galaxy S only, there are many other good models available.

I would like to follow this thread, and read about the possibilities of putting up Android on Wave, which seems unlikely so far. But I don't think I will ever go for Android on my Wave, for two reasons - 1) Its not going to be 100% good, and there will be bugs/issues and 2) I am satisfied with Bada, so why change if its not faulty.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Product F(RED):
This whole thread can be summarized easily:

*ahem*

You got what you paid for. I'm not saying it's a bad phone. But if you wanted something better/different, it's your own fault for not saving up to buy it.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] sabianadmin:
Haha dude i have 5 phones, 3 of which Android one of which webOS and the other Bada. Like i said i like to tinker and the ultimate tinkering would be to put Android on the Wave (which would be cool because the hardware is incredible any way )
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Product F(RED):
It has the same hardware as the Galaxy S phones. I don't see how that's "incredible". But that's besides the point. If you're going to tinker with something on your own, don't mislead other people into thinking something's possible until you've accomplished something. We all like to tinker, and that's why we're here. Doesn't make us experts.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] t0mm13b:
A lot of problems I see here:

Very easy to say Wave and Galaxy S are similar, uhhhm.... nope, they are not

* Wave has camera, with flash, Galaxy S does not!

* Chipset for Wifi on Wave is qualcomm, Galaxy has a different version of qualcomm (IIRC I could be wrong here - broadcom perhaps...)

* USB traffic (anyone actually sniff the traffic between Kies and the handset - was it the same as the Galaxy S - my smart money is on this one, different drivers which implies possibly different data exchanges which could imply different usb controllers)

* Finally, hardware buttons.... hmmmm....

The wave has a secure boot loader that has a trusted root hardware key (probably set at manufacture process)...I posted a linky to the actual pdf on this on another thread...

It may be easy to think abstractedly "ah yeah, grand, fire up the riff box, peel off the bootsector from Galaxy S using riff box" and transfer it across to the wave...

Compiler - uh huh... ARM A8 Cortex, with thumb instructions... Graphics chip is slightly better than the Galaxy S...

Before you slate this posting - think about this, what version of android are you running on the Galaxy S - if it's froyo - think again - froyo has optimized their memory access usage and improved garbage collection which could explain the "nippyness" of the handset...

I did post on wavedroid's forum which is not functional - registration didn't work for me before christmas 2010, when I pointed out that wave droid moderator a couple of salient points mentioned in the above, it was dismissed and they "started" to work on a file explorer to monitor the whatnots of file i/o interaction in relation to flashing (or so thats the impression I got)

To be frank, I do not think its appropriate to start porting android and it's too late, there's a new version of bada 2.0 (cheers to Justin Hong's tweet which caught my eye about that) planned for later on this year....

I'd prefer to have a stable bada handset rather than a half baked android that keels over on boot....
[Bada Software and Hacking General] aLexzkter:
Samsung Wave is waaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than any other 1Ghz Android phone in the Spanish market.

It is the best quality/price phone at the moment, but its only weak point is its own Operating System.

If I ever liked to exchange my Wave for another Samsung Galaxy S, I'd have to pay them like 140 euros, but why if 'Wave' = 'Galaxy S+bigger screen+worse material quality??????????????

The money wouldn't really be the problem here, the real one would be finding one single person who'd like to get a Wave in return.

Guess it would be the **** to port Android to Wave, get it already...

Either the Samsung Wave and the Galaxy S have a SuperAMOLED screen.

Galaxy S's display doesn't look as good as Wave's but that's because Wave's one is smaller.

As I stated before, Samsung Wave is the ****, its only weak point is its O.S.

I have headaches everytime I wake up and see craps like all those ugly and limited themes and other useless 'apps' in my 'appstore'.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] naoentrar:
totally agreed. i wanna see a real facebook app, a real chat app, twitter app and other useful apps like android or ios have. not that ****ty java apps. Damn, i hate java apps
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Infomatrix:
@ t0mm13b

The Samsung Galaxy S has also a SAMOLED display. But you already realize it :D

All the other things you wrote are right. Even if it seems like the Wave and Galaxy have mostly similar hardware they are not the same product. Like you already mentioned both smartphones uses different technologies and hardware in some cases. Both smartphones are built on different policies. The Wave has much more barriers than the Galaxy. So it will not be easy like many people believe that you just need to take the Android version of the Galaxy S and to put it on the Wave. It is by far more difficult.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] t0mm13b:
Absolutely... +1....it's the same case of one particular model of the Motorola where the ROM was secure as hell and couldnt be hacked...

Samsung did make this hardware a lot more difficult to break, not alone that, bada is water-tight enough to prevent and "jailbreaks" to be carried out on it... their sdk has come a long way though - have to give them a +1 for that...

(as an aside: I am the channel op for the bada channel on freenode, and wrote an open letter to samsung where I came across as critical and harsh on them - am also active on a number of forums as well ;) )
[Bada Software and Hacking General] toxicdust:
Seriously ... can you be that thick

Ok

So i think i have the dealbreaker Joker card here.

All developers should be familiar with GSM Arena seeing as its the most comprehensive USER RATED website for all phones new and old.

Here is a link i want some explination on cause cleary the stupid is rolling off a lot of ppl that want and demand this port to be done.

http://www.gsmarena.com/stats.php3

Now check the rating and you will see the following as by user rated the Wave rates 8.751/10 voted by 87,000+ ppl. Close behind it but STILL BEHIND it at number 2 best user rated phone is the Galaxy S with 8.501 with 48,000+ ppl

Now if the Multi-vitamins you take in the morning to increase brain power dont make you see the difference from 8.7 to 8.5 (ye its close) but a Bada phone is still better rated than a Android phone ...

Oh and just to be clear the Bada phone is rated best in the world as per USER RATED then clearly no amount of talking about this topic will change your opinion or make you smarted to actually use google and do some research before posting

So clearly out of all pages the following statements are incorrect: (And you know who you are)

1. Android is way better than Bada - FALSE

2. Galaxy S is better than the Wave - FALSE again

3. Android is faster than Bada - FALSE Yet AGAIN!

Wave -> http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_s8500_wave-3146.php

Ratings as per section

Design : 8.7

Features : 8.7

Performance : 8.8

Galaxy S -> http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-3115.php

Ratings as per section

Design : 8.4

Features : 8.5

Performance : 8.5

Complete Comparison -> http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3146&idPhone2=3115

Now for ppl still taking the stupid pills here is a breakdown specially made for you

Not only Does the Wave Bada phone Look better than the Android Galaxy S its got more features and functionality out of the box it also performs better than the Android Galaxy S

I really dont know how to state it better or make it more clear but with almost the identical hardware the Wave Bada gets higher performance ratings than the Adroid and makes it a clear cut BADA IS BETTER THAN ANDROID in terms of Performance.

Also out of the box the Features Bada comes with overshoot the Android.

Yes the Appstore isnt as great as the Android one but ffs ... Android on mobile phones started apearing in Nov 2009 already

Its been a year and a half since Android launched. Bada only Launched on its 1st device Aug 2010 so that almost a year apart. Ppl also took on Android with open arms and spent their time not to try and port Symbian2 on the android phones to make it cool cause they were looking for the Nokia restart your phone every morning problem.

Its ppl like you that will break this great OS and not give it time to develop.

Why this logic eludes ppl is beyond me ... There is no excuse for being stupid ... Google gets provided for free
[Bada Software and Hacking General] d128b:
WTF??

Nono...

I don't want android on my wave...

After a galaxy lite, finally i've got a phone that don't make me mad!!!

Bada OS is the future! I'd very like it!

It's grows much faster than Android...
[Bada Software and Hacking General] TigerCourage:
Also the graphics on Wave's games are a lot better than Android's ! Check out Asphalt 5 on Galaxy S and then Asphalt 5 on Wave to see the difference ;) .

The only reason I want Android on Wave is to have a choice, to change when I get bored of it and to have more usefull apps like official Yahoo Messenger, Skype, Windows Live Messenger, Tuenti, Facebook chat etc...
[Bada Software and Hacking General] aLexzkter:
Yeah, BadaOS grows faster than Android.

That's why BadaOS has only 2300 useless apps, whereas Android had 20.000 back then when it had been released for 6 months in the market, and I remind you once again, that most of the people still are with Bada v1.02 :P

I hope Bada grows very fast yeah, but I want to have other choices as well.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] d128b:
Woaa!!

I've read that spb it's going to release a mobile shell 5.0 for bada phone!

Sorry for ot
[Bada Software and Hacking General] toxicdust:
If someone needs a link to SPB

http://www.badaforums.net/applications/spb-mobile-shell-5-0-coming-to-bada/

On a side note - LOL

I think Android should start a project to port Bada to it since its a faster OS than Android ...
[Bada Software and Hacking General] sabianadmin:
If we could get Bada running on other devices that would be really cool and then people would fairly pour over bada to streamline it for that device (e.g what happened with Android)

Bada is Kernel independent so in theroy you could run all the bada libraries and front ends ontop of a pre-existing Android kernel... im just saying ;-)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] t0mm13b:
Bada's OS is nucleusRTOS, yeah, RTOS variant... hence the size and nippiness of the system, bear in mind, the OS is actually watertight and no way of breaking out of it... from a reliable source, the very same nucleusRTOS was used in dumb handsets, this was before Samsung came out with smartphones - the one I have in possession - Samsung SGH-E250v, is remarkably similar to the modern nucleusRTOS found in the wave in terms of functionality.....
[Bada Software and Hacking General] sabianadmin:
But what i am saying is Bada doesn't rely on a particular Kernel. You could replace nucleusRTOS with say BSD or Linux kernel without hassle, this is what was intended when it was designed. I mean a vast chunk of the Bada libraries are open source BSD ones after all.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] The aj:
Maybe.

Tell you guys what, The thing is that the only reason android is a little better than bada is because of the fact that bada is not as mature as android, but as we all know, bada is faster and cheaper with same specs. So, if we can get android on the wave, it would save us money and we would get more apps. But when bada is a little older, it probably will be much better. Whenever I go to Samsung Apps in the "New" section, I find a ton of new apps. All we can do now is to wait or to persuade a Dev.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] t0mm13b:
Sure, there may be open source libs etc, they may be, but.... and this is a major but:

Ever used the SDK 1.2.1?

It is flawed - there's no try/catch, in fact a large part of the api is quite restricted due to the lack of the C++ RTL which is limiting (I base limiting on the fact that it's the nucleusRTOS kernel that has limitations...)

That IMHO is what makes porting to the bada platform a huge nightmare - have tried to port python across it and it sucked...
[Bada Software and Hacking General] pauldmps:
I am again posting to say that this is not the place to discuss about Bada (and its features etc.). Please create a separate thread for that & move out of here.

I would ignore such posts from now on. I request other users who're serious about the matter of discussion of this thread to not post any replies to such posts.

For everyone: "Anyone who has even a little bit of knowledge would accept that Android is far superior than Bada. It has a huge team of developers backed by a huge corporation like Google. They're rolling new updates in about every 3-6 months & has large number of apps. Even Samsung manufactures more Android handsets than its own Bada handsets. Need more proof that Android is superior ?"

I wish a bright future for Bada but it is not yet the time when it can even be compared to Android.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] t0mm13b:
Huh! You cannot compare Bada to Android...

All I'm saying is, porting across the handset is a nightmare job to do.... tell me ... you dismiss everything about bada and say that android is superior.... lulz... the big thing about Bada is C++, you cannot compare C++ to Java.... :p hence the huge speed gain in bada applications in comparison to java equivalent of such applications... c'mon... stop mollycoddling android...