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[Venue Pro General] kltye:
I've had the DVP since November 8th, and had it crash on my severely enough for a battery pull maybe 3-4 times tops. This is both on the "engineering" phone and the "retail" phone. The only difference I have with you guys - and this is pretty significant - is that I hacked my SD card pretty much within the first couple of days of getting it. I've upgraded to a SanDisk class 2 16GB.

Now, I haven't particularly filled it up; in fact, I have tons of space free. But, I'd like to set some facts straight:

1) The DVP has no internal storage. Just a few megs (~16MB or so) just so the OS can run if you pull the SD card. Nothing new here; we've seen this during the first days of the SD card hack thread.

2) If you fill up your storage, and applications request for IsolatedStorage, the request will most likely fail if you have (close to) zero storage free. If applications don't check for that, it will probably crash. I don't know if this is necessarily happening, since I don't have a crashing device to observe this behaviour, but that's one hunch. Some of you have said that the HD7 did not crash when you filled up the storage, which might throw my theory out the window.

3) The SD card used in the DVP is also a SanDisk - I tend to trust them with storage reliability. If it is indeed a driver issue, then Microsoft might have some share in the blame as well - MS writes drivers for the OEMs for WP7.

What we need to do is scientifically reproduce the issue. Instead of general data corruption, another thing to check is to see what happens as storage gets filled up.
[Venue Pro General] zaijian:
I attempted to do just that - I wrote a storage test app and ran it on my DVP, and it encountered no issues.

The app wrote test data, filling up 95% of available free space (around 13.3GB), then read it back in and verified the data.

I'm now fairly confident that it's not the SD card or the storage drivers that are responsible for the crashing.

I did however, encounter issues trying to download the Rise of Glory game. I had turned wifi off, but it's large enough that it requires wifi or sync in order to download and install. Once I turned wifi on and retried the download, the phone crashed on me.

Let's see if we can verify the wifi + marketplace issue:

1) make sure phone wifi is off

2) connect DVP to computer, run Zune

3) via zune sync, verify that you can install a large game or app on your phone. It has to be one which you haven't downloaded before, as I don't think you can force zune to reinstall an app it knows you already downloaded.

4) disconnect the phone

5) verify the game runs correctly

6) uninstall the game on the phone

7) turn phone wifi on

8) go into marketplace on the phone

9) reinstall the same game and see if you have any issues with marketplace while downloading (freezing/hanging/etc)

10) if everything's still ok, verify that the game runs correctly
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
@Zaijian

I tried reproducing your flow on my DVP and it didn't crash. But, what is strange is mine freezes (only twice so far) @ random right after playing and trying to get to some other app or switching between app. This tends me to side on the memory as being the culprit or some other component being the culprit. Most likely could be memory related and how WP7 manages to kill an app. Is there a memtest kind of thing we could run on this DVP?
[Venue Pro General] zaijian:
I wrote a wifi transfer testing app and ran it overnight - it transferred 4GB over my wifi (from my desktop to the phone) correctly and without incident.

So, i've confirmed that:

A) there's nothing wrong with writing a single large file to the file system

B) there's nothing wrong with transferring data over wifi

My next tests will be:

1) simultaneously writing multiple large files to the file system

2) simultaneoulsy writing files to the file system and transferring data over wifi

3) some sort of memory test to see if memory is getting corrupted
[Venue Pro General] jetjockgordo:
WiFi seems to be the issue

Not much question that mine locks up when WiFi is turned on. I have been experimenting with this issue for the past few days and while having WiFi on causes random lock-ups, not having it on makes it run without any issues.

Fortunately, most of the areas I use my phone have good 3G coverage so WiFi acting up is not a deal breaker but I certainly hope they are able to fix this with the impending update.

One consideration is could there be an app we all have that uses WiFi that is causing trouble? Has anyone had issues with this from a fresh device? I seem to recall having it lock up early on before I put many apps on it.
[Venue Pro General] zaijian:
My problems seem to occur when I'm going through the marketplace and downloading via wifi.

I verified with my test app that wifi can transfer a large amount of data without errors. This leads me to believe that the wifi itself is not the cause of the issues, but that wifi in combination with other factors may be the cause.
[Venue Pro General] jetjockgordo:
I thought so too but I left the WiFi on and rebooting without accessing Marketplace has been causing lockups as well. In fact, I just noticed it was locked up after a reboot 10 minutes ago and, sure enough, I left WiFi on. I didn't so much as unlock the screen after the reboot although I have also had it lock up while accessing Marketplace.
[Venue Pro General] zaijian:
I'll test using wifi simultaneously with local disk I/O and see if that causes errors.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
This is exactly what I experience, the mere act of turning wifi on guarantees a crash at some point not far off. Only data that could be flowing is from push email, location service and any other default service but no active usage and wifi will crash the phone practically all the time.
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
I don't think it's WiFi alone that is the problem. I have WiFi with WPA2 on all the time and my 8GB never locks up.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Thats your phone. Mine acts exactly the way I described which is all I stated.
[Venue Pro General] zaijian:
This is why I need to test both wifi data xfer and disk I/O simultaneously - if that's the culprit then that would explain your issues as well as those who only see probs in marketplace.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
So far i haven't resorted to battery pull since i had no freezes, except lag in the home screen when coming off a game. Today, to put an end to the annoyance of 3G->No Signal->Edge, i decided to disable 3G and use only edge and enable wifi. So all was well until i started playing a game. I was playing 'flowerz' and immediately i can see a difference. While on Wifi, the game was so lagging and slow, that it froze at one point. I then had to shutdown the phone (pressing power button) and reboot it. When i went back to the game, the game was reset. It lost all the levels i completed. So, i decided to turn off wifi and play the game in edge. Now, no lag/freeze.

So there is something going on between wifi and apps/games. Not in IE/stock apps though. This points me to think that the stock apps are stored in a different location that the SD card. The games/apps we download are stored in SD card. Wifi,3rd party app/game and SD Card combination is doing something crazy here.

Note:While on Wifi, browsing the net doesn't seem to affect much or haven't seen a lag/freeze so far.
[Venue Pro General] canadariot2312:
WiFi related? Or maybe people are being sent bad models.

My Venue Pro hasn't crashed once, but than again, I don't use WiFi on it because T-Mobile 3G is really fast.
[Venue Pro General] mikedt:
I am usually a lurker and don't really post anything on any message boards but...

As most of you in the post, I have problems with the venue pro when the wifi is on. I usually keep my wifi off, but since the phone constantly switches to 3G and edge, downloading or using the zune marketplace become very troublesome and slow - and it sucks that I am always afraid of using my wifi, but I shouldn't since it's a feature on the phone. The phone usually crashes within minutes of turning on wifi. Because of this forum and my past experience with windows mobile phones (I had a tmobile dash a long time ago), I changed some of my settings and for about 3 hours today, I was able to use the phone, the marketplace, and zune without it crashing so far.

As it was stated in a different post on this forum, i enabled location and finding the phone so that my 3g and wifi won't fluctuate. I also went to settings -> cellular and changed the network selection from 'automatic' to tmobile.

My phone has not crashed in three hours of using wifi and I just downloaded an app from the marketplace to try it again prior to posting this. I hope this help resolve my phone crashing while on wifi and using the marketplace and I hope that someone on the forum would also try this and see if he or she gets some positive results.
[Venue Pro General] notoriousabe00:
That solved the freezing problems? Interesting. I get two T-Mobiles to choose from, but one is 3g and the other is Edge\ when i change the network selection. I guess it would stink not to switch to edge automatically, but if it fixes the freezing issue...
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
w.r.to to the 3G->no signal->Edge issue, it looks like t-mobile has to take the blame as well. It just shows how bad TMO signals are in our area. I was in NJ the other day and i was on full 3G all the time, no drops at all. The moment i came to my hometown where the coverage is spotty inside houses/buildings, the drop started to happen.
[Venue Pro General] MikeDupp:
I am the exact opposite. I don't have a data plan, so I am on Wifi 24/7. I still haven't had a single freeze or crash.

A question for everyone with an "always crashes on wifi/never crashes on 3G phone": are you disabling 3G on the Cellular Settings page before you enable Wifi?
[Venue Pro General] teels4feels:
Wow...your suggestion is working. If I disable my data connection, I get no crashes when using wifi.
[Venue Pro General] quinstar:
I've read multiple articles about WP7 phones consuming huges amount of data, over 3G, even when wifi is on. People reported up to 1.5Gb of data. About what or what for is unclear. Maybe the crashes could be related to it...

Just a thought...
[Venue Pro General] Evangelious:
I wonder if the mSD card reader and the Wifi are causing the the crash. I've noticed some crashing and lagging when coming off Wifi, but I haven't done enough testing.
[Venue Pro General] Kloc:
I've been using the DVP for about 3 weeks now and I'm on my 3rd device. They all have crashed a few times. I leave wifi and data on 24/7 so that may be the issue. It's seems that the lock up at random times but mostly when it's charging and installing games/apps. I didn't return the devices because of the lock ups though. My first device the camera sensor was bad and displaying nasty static almost like everything in the picture was wrapped in plastic and my second one had a line in the screen and a loose hing on the slider. I'm coming from a Touch Pro2 with custom 6.5 rom so I had to reboot that phone 3 times a day so lets just say I'm used to it. Atleast it only takes seconds to reboot. I've not had to pull the battery though. Holding the power button for 5-15 seconds and then pressing it again always get the job done. I've been late to work 3 times because of the phone locking up at night when I had sync over wifi setup. I wouldn't recommend using that if you use your phone as an alarm! I might start using my old phone as my alarm if it happens again!
[Venue Pro General] zaijian:
I've noticed enough of a correlation between wifi and crashing that I only activate the wifi when I have to (for instance, when i'm at home and the best data connection i can get is EDGE).

But like I've said previously, it's not just the wifi by itself causing the crash, it's got to be a combination of wifi and something else, making it a lot harder to pin down the culprit.

I'm hoping Dell will get it all sorted out eventually, but in the meantime, i'll replace my phone every month until they get it right.
[Venue Pro General] kr33mo:
I know I definitely had issues trying to d/l Asassins Creed w/wo wifi. I should be getting a replacement this week and I will see if the issues persist. I wonder if the DV - Android edition will run into similar problems? Wonder if Dell will allow a direct swap from DVP to DV? Hmmmm.....
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
Marketplace crashes, particularly with large installs like games, are not unique to the DVP. I had the HD7 and Need for Speed failed during install and I was never able to install it after that. The Marketplace crashed all the time on my HD7 and is a known issue being addressed by Microsoft.

For those who are having non-Markeplace lockups, can you try the CIT test on the phone (dial ##634#)? Saw this interesting comment on Twitter:

"Running the CIT test pass on my #DellVenurPro fails the SD card test w/ error code 102"
[Venue Pro General] zaijian:
I had an HD7 for 4 weeks, and my DVP crashed more times in 2 days than my HD7 did in 4 weeks, doing the exact same kind of thing.

The Marketplace definitely has issues, but the DVP clearly has some problems are specific to it and only it.
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
Agreed - I was pointing that out so this didn't become a Marketplace crashing thread.

Have you tried the CIT test? Saw another tweet about it failing the SD test.
[Venue Pro General] zaijian:
I tried dialing ##634#, it blanked for a couple seconds and then went back to the home screen - what's it supposed to do?

NM, i just tried it again and the diag screen came up. I did the CIT test and the SD card status came back 110 (not OK)
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
FYI my 8GB passed the SD test.
[Venue Pro General] notoriousabe00:
My CIT test fails with 102 (not ok) on the SD card test.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Tried this today and didn't have any crash using WiFi to sync.
[Venue Pro General] notoriousabe00:
I ran the CIT test two more times, once again last night and once this morning. I got a different error (103), and then this morning it passed. My guess is that its a driver issue...
[Venue Pro General] zaijian:
Holy crap I ran mine again and now my SD card passed. That's interesting.
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
FWIW I've run it about 5x on my 8GB card and it passes every time.
[Venue Pro General] gmontem:
Yesterday

SD card status: 0 (OK)

Today

SD Insert status: Inserted

SD card status: 110 (not OK)

SD card size: 15.193 GB

XBox LIVE Extras fails to run, quietly quitting after loading the avatar items.

Afer rebooting the phone today

SD card status: 0 (OK)

XBox LIVE Extras runs fine.
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
Just had an issue where the phone wouldn't come out of sleep while installing a game. After rebooting by holding power button for 5 seconds, CIT fails the SD test with 110 (not OK). The game did finish installing properly after reboot.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Just did more tests, yesterday with 3G off and wifi on played ilomilo and Project Sunburst for around an hour with no problems (PS played better due to better connection), this morning with 3G and wifi on tried to play a video, less than a minute into the vid phone froze, restarted and tried again with 3g off and video played fine.

At all other times the phone is rock solid, dont even have MP crashes because I dont browse it for long periods. Definitely something wonky with wifi and 3G on this phone.
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
When the lockup happens, have you noticed if it matters whether you have 3G or EDGE? Generally when I'm on WiFi, the cell radio is EDGE since I don't get much 3G signal at my house.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
The area I was standing in usually has a few bars of 3G but cant really say since I couldnt do anything with the phone at the time.
[Venue Pro General] alabij:
OK! This might be a fluke but my phone hasn't crashed in 24hrs and I've got wifi on.

Being that I typically end up plugging my phone via USB to my PC (old habit); I decided to go to Zune desktop software and disable the wireless sync option.

Ever since then I haven't been able to get it to crash just by going into marketplace like I normally do with wifi on. I can still download apps via wifi and what not.
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
For those experiencing lockups with WiFi, are you on WiFi B, G or N?
[Venue Pro General] Desynthesis:
I had mine go several days without crashing. It crashed a second time (total) when--not surprisingly--I was accessing Youtube on Wifi.

Apparently, the Youtube app has more than its share of problems. I guess that might make me one of the lucky ones. There were times when it slowed down a bit (loading a new app, etc.), but resumed promptly.

I guess I've avoided using Youtube (instead going for Netflix, for example). If I do, I think I toggle airplane model if I'm on Wifi (and if I were not in a Wifi area, presumably, it wouldn't matter). That seems to have kept me safe.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
I actually think its just a coincidence about WiFi and marketplace. WiFi is a known issue with Dell, one that I hope is fixable. With marketplace we have 2 things, the app and the service. I think many of the problems are service based, and are fixable with no actions on our part. I think there have been market place backend fixes already

..and that hopefully will lead to less crashes...fingers crossed.
[Venue Pro General] bbowman:
with my replacement DVP (build date 12/13/2010) which I received on Friday the 7th, I have yet to experience a crash. this is with WiFi on for about half of the time and with normal web/app/e-mail/voice use. the only issue is that the Newsroom app wouldn't load the other day but rebooting fixed it.
[Venue Pro General] DeekoVB5:
I have a 16GB that's been crashing a lot. I swapped the SD card out for an 8GB (SanDisk class 4) card I had lying around, and while its only been about 24 hours, I haven't had a crash yet...and considering the frequency of crashing before, that's pretty damn impressive.

Of course, if I wanted 8GB, I'd have saved money and gotten the 8GB model. This is really just a test run, if it goes well, I'll be purchasing a 32GB card to try.
[Venue Pro General] pjfan75:
I've heard that the card in the 8GB is also a Sandisk class 4. What brand/speed was the 16GB card?

Assuming it is the card that's causing all the crashes on the 16GB model, I wonder what Dell is going to do.
[Venue Pro General] pessimistic observer:
my experience

i was having alot of crashes recently so i reset my phone and through 1 day of testing not one crash even on wifi downloading almost all the apps i had on previous device havent even restarted since the reset

also it was the first time i reset the phone since i got it in december

i'm sure results may vary i also havent put all my music back on the device yet

when i was crashing i had about 5gbs out of 15 free
[Venue Pro General] zaijian:
I noticed the most frequent crashing occurred after I synced a couple GBs of music - I haven't done it since the last reset, and I'm still crashing, however it's not as bad.
[Venue Pro General] DeekoVB5:
The 16GB card was also a Sandisk class 4. Maybe they just got a bad batch of cards. I'm at almost 40 hours with no crashing since doing the swap.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
First time mine crashed. I had wifi turned on and went to sleep without turn it off. Today morning the alarm didn't go off. When i saw the phone, it was crashed. I had to keep pressing the power button to restart. Funny thing is, after restart, the alarm goes off. (Its like the phone saying, i am late for the alarm and let me go off now) :) .
[Venue Pro General] DeekoVB5:
I'm closing in on 100 hours of uptime now since replacing my card on Sunday. That's pretty impressive - between my recent Android and WinMo 6.5 phones, I rarely saw 100 hours without a restart.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Left my phone on all last night with wifi on and 3G off, no problems at all.
[Venue Pro General] Erchino:
For those talking about swapping SD Cards, what kind of SD Cards did the phone accept? I'm hearing class 2 and class 4... maybe both? I would just like to know just in case my soon to arrive phone begins crashing; in that case I'll swap SD cards and see how that works.
[Venue Pro General] manny84:
If I had known about this issue prior to ordering my device, I wouldn't have.

From the looks of it, it seems most if not all DVPs are buggy and resigned to crashing all the time.

When I had my HD7 it would crash (sometimes once a day, twice at the very most) while I browsed the Marketplace. I was OK with this because I knew the issue related to the Marketplace and was something that a firmware update could fix.

BUT this issue seems different... and very widespread. Hmmm. Very disappointing.

My suggestion: If you're still within the grace period for an exchange or refund, take advantage of it instead of trying to figure out the cause is. If you're not within the grace period, sorry.
[Epic 4G Accessories] jasonsf:
Is the Seidio 1600mAh battery the only one out there that will work with the multimedia dock? It seems to me that a larger battery could be combined with a slightly bulging back cover and still fit in the dock. Anyone seen anything like that? 1600 mAh just doesn't seem worth the expense.

Jason
[Epic 4G Accessories] zen_phone:
I have the seido 3000 mah. It will fit into the standard desk dock. It angles out a bit, but it works without a problem.
[Epic 4G Accessories] jasonsf:
Wow! I'm really surprised that it fits. Hopefully it isn't bending the usb port too much. Thanks!

Jason
[Epic 4G Accessories] thecoppersman:
Hi Jason,

I am in the same boat. I have a Samsung Epic 4G and 3 of these docking station chargers (home, office, shop). They are Samsung Multimedia Desktop Docks.

I am probably going to go with the Seidio extended 3000 mah battery.

Does it put an excessive stress on the phone port?

Thank you.
[Epic 4G Accessories] zen_phone:
I've been using it for about a week without an issue. The angled top of the back cover allows the phone to slide into the charger. It was a little snug to slide it in, but didn't take any excessive force or bending of the port.
[Epic 4G Accessories] maxamis:
Do you have any pics you could post that show it in the dock. I saw the sprint deskdock while in one of their stores this weekend.
[Epic 4G Accessories] setox:
i opened up the dock and saw i can use a dremel and cut out where the battery comes out to
[Epic 4G Accessories] zen_phone:
Seido 3000 in dock

Here is a picture. Excuse the quality.
[Epic 4G Accessories] latinmaxima:
I also want this but I want to mod the car dock as well. I am just a little nervous. I was going to attempt drilling the whole to use the camera while driving and then wondered if the slide option will still work right. I am really nervouss to mess with it for an extend battery though even worse.
[Epic 4G Accessories] m5james:
I never considered placing the phone in the dock where it hangs halfway off the dock like that, but I'm doing it now...for the day. I will be dremeling away the necessary material to make it fit in the dock as it should, I don't like it putting pressure on the port like that. I bought some extra docks, found some on eBay for $10 each shipped, so if I destroy it, so be it. Once completed, I'll post up some pics.

Once the powers that be get TV Out working (fingers crossed), I'm going to gut a dock and mold in a charging port and seperate 3.5mm connector so that I can use it to feed a signal to the deck in my vehicle. It's nice that using the dock feeds sound through the MicroUSB, but I've also noticed that sometimes I get static from charging and it doesn't allow me to adjust the bass while using VooDoo Sound Control.
[Epic 4G Accessories] goodthaimer:
Is your "speaker line out" on the back of your docking station working.?. if so, how did you get it to work.?.

Thanks.
[Epic 4G Accessories] Zeinzu:
1800mah sgs2 battery.

Sent from my SPH-D700 CM9 4.0.4
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] JohnnyICS:
Hi from Italy!

I'm looking for an app to save / export the Call Log (in .csv, .txt or similar formats).

Do someone knows if exists an app which can do that?

Or, instead, if it doesn't exist, this maybe an invite to create it!

Thank you!