yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Tab General] futuregerald:
I'm in a similiar boat to the OP. I have the Nexus One running Cyanogenmod and I like that browser so much better than the stock browser on the tab, is there a way to get that same browsing experience? I have the Sprint tab so I don't even know if I can flash a new rom and how "safe" it is. I'm used to roms/backups/rom manager on the N1 but it all seems different for the tab.
[Galaxy Tab General] mudstuff:
I like xscope the most, use dolphin on my desire but don't like it on the tab. Also curious about firmware flashing but im waiting for the scene to settle so i can safely pick a rom (my tab is UK sim free).
[Galaxy Tab General] heythorp:
Umm, no joke the roto rom which is essentially JMC is so much faster. Everything is snappier.

I havent tried everything yet, but just getting around the OS and the browser is a much enhanced experience.

Funny, I sat at a Sprint store for about an hour and played with one. I almost bought it there on the spot because of how fast it felt. I ended up with an ATT one because I wanted to make calls and I already have an unlimited data plan with them.

Over the last couple of days I have felt that my experience was not nearly as good as when I was in the sprint store. I now wonder what rom is on their Tabs.

Thanks everyone.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sam v boy:
Windows rom for vibrant ? Put in links for roms please .

Sent from sam v boy
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flak_Munky:
You got your answer in this thread here.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sam v boy:
Thanks

Sent from sam v boy
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mmelo76:
ok! Closed Thread
[HD2 General] bigfoots1:
Is there a guide for a Clean Droid install on Tmous HD2?

Currently I'm using the supersport blutopia install which i substituted core droid v8.

So i have a very lite wm base and Core droid v8 boots automatically...

everything works and i really like this version of droid but id like to just do a clean install . search results seem to have me on a wild goose chase...

is it even possible? lil help?
[HD2 General] echardcore:
We have been waiting for this for months! NAND ROMs were relaseed TODAY!!! WOOHOO!!!

This is a link to one of the NEW STYLE ROMs with instructions.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=893620
[HD2 General] smeegs111:
Unable to charge phone after flashing

Hi all,

My first post and forst real issue. I have installed magldr1.11 and flashed NAND android. All is working fine except it will not charge at all and battery is almost dead. I have read other issues with charging while the phone is on but it simply will not charge at all. Is this a tmous issue? Has anyone else encountered this? Please help.

Thanks
[HD2 General] bigfoots1:
Try to Reflash

My Apps: http://www.appbrain.com/user/bigfoots/apps-on-the-hd2
[HD2 General] smeegs111:
Strange Timing

Seems somehow the cable was damages during the process?? Replaced it and its fine. Awesome build but battery life a little to be desired compared to say the Energy ROMS.
[Venue Pro General] SonicFlare:
PocketNow is stating, that Dell Venue pro is showing only 256MB of RAM.

Can somebody confirm or decline this? As there should be 512MB (as far as specs go)

[source]
[Venue Pro General] pessimistic observer:
many people have confirmed that the program used on other devices to show 512 is only showing 256 on the dvp however it still could be a software issue were the os is not seeing the full amount or that program is not seeing the full amount

heres hoping that blog post is up soon
[Venue Pro General] Arcarsenal:
from the @DellCares Twitter:

"@300mhz We have folks looking into the RAM question. Hoping to hear something by tomorrow 12-30-10. Thx AB"

Don't know why it takes days to confirm or deny RAM amounts. I don't have my hopes up.
[Venue Pro General] sureloch:
If true I doubt Dell spec'd the unit as 256, but who knows what China did after that. Could also be the firmware reporting incorrectly, or worse only allocating 256 of 512.
[Venue Pro General] SonicFlare:
1. The software is not the blame, as it uses WP7 API calls (it would messed up with other device RAM as well)

2. This leads that WP7 cannot see and use the ram.

U r speculations? Different RAM slot? Not assembled correctly? Wrong RAM chip batch at factory (put 256 RAM instead of 512).

Anyway, hope its Wp7 issue, or Dell is so screwed :rolleyes:
[Venue Pro General] omniconn:
Posted by Chaos Engine

replied on 12-29-2010 6:09 PM

en.community.dell.com/support-forums/mobile-devices/f/3824/p/19359278/19799921.aspx#19799921

My 8GB phone firmware revision number is 2250.1500.7004.105, it has the crazy switching from 0G, 2G , to 3G causes the battery life to be drained in 3hours with WiFi off and Bluetooth off, the age of this phone is about 3 days.

It heats up at the lower half of the phone and it smells like burnt plastic.

There are hard crashes with the game called: The Harvest, and at the Marketplace: Apps

Ram Memory reads 225.02MB

The first drop call was, while on the phone with T-Mobile for activation and I lived in NYC a 4G area.

When I told that to the T-Mobile rep, she said: "Sorry to hear that" lol
[Venue Pro General] sureloch:
Probably not a W7 issue like you said, but firmware is different than the OS. It is possible the firmware is to blame.
[Venue Pro General] rsacipher:
When I called Dell for the WiFi issues they confirmed that it is only supposed to have 255MB and not 512. She asked where I saw the specs for 512MB and I told her the MS website has it clear as day.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do just yet.
[Venue Pro General] Ganondolf:
also every shop in the UK that has it listed has it at 512mb of ram, i doubt they pulled the figure out of their arse. i think dell either changed it to save money or have messed up but is trying to make out that it suppose to have 256mb.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Did anyone follow the sdcard thread? When the card was pulled, the amount if available RAM changed...something like 400mb or so. If this is true, might the issue be more of a ...how the os is reporting the ram?
[Venue Pro General] Desynthesis:
Really? About 3 days ago, I sent my DVP back to Dell for this precise reason--that, and since I couldn't register on the Dell forums, I felt I had no recourse. I've been looking through this forum (very, very eye opening, by the way, my hat is off to you gents) and read the thread. That sheds a little light on the matter, though it's not a solution quite yet.
[Venue Pro General] Razorfold:
From the dell community forums:

If that is true, then I like how Dell is pushing the blame onto Microsoft when their own website had it listed as 512mb.
[Venue Pro General] pessimistic observer:
we all know how great and well informed dells technical and sales reps are

and how connected everyone is at dell just look at how fast they "responded"

to the shipping delays and how they told everyone the truth even if it

was the exact oposite of what they said previous times and how they always

email you the correct answers after carefully reading our tweets and emails

needless to say dont believe anything unless they provide hard evidence
[Venue Pro General] Razorfold:
Haha true, dell isn't doing anything to improve their reputation.

There's techs saying it has 512mb, there's techs saying it has no RAM, and now we have techs saying it only has 256mb and its Microsoft's fault.

Not to mention there are some techs saying they will investigate how much RAM the device has and get back to you...and then never get back. Why exactly would they need a day to tell you how much RAM does the device have?
[Venue Pro General] sureloch:
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[Venue Pro General] sureloch:
Right, this lead needs to be explored more. This is a really great phone if it only needs an update. We can all complain and push for that. Just hoping Dell didn't drop the ball on the memory specs.
[Venue Pro General] Razorfold:
I don't think he was talking about RAM. Most likely he was talking about the onboard storage which the DVP probably has.

But, then again, who really knows...Dell has to answer this for us or someone has to rip apart the device and figure it out.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
so, we are comparing what outsource agents in India for Dell are saying with what outsource agents in the Philippines for Microsoft are saying, and wondering why no straight answer is received. Then I read about the guy that pulls his stock sd card and runs device info and gets a totally different number. Hmmm...
[Venue Pro General] Desynthesis:
Apparently, one of the employees at the Dell forums said they hoped to have an answer to the RAM question today (the 30th) on Twitter @DellCares.

Perhaps they're still weighing what excuse they want to go with. If I had a twitter account, I'd pose the question at Dellcares.
[Venue Pro General] Razorfold:
Well for one I would assume Microsoft got the RAM information from Dell (since Dell's site said 512mb) and published it on their site...so Dell is probably trying to pass the blame on to MS instead of admitting it's their fault.

I don't get that...how is it taking them 4-5 days to figure out how much RAM their own device has? I mean how long does it take to contact an engineer that worked on the Venue Pro and ask them?
[Venue Pro General] Desynthesis:
Yeah, it's a mystery. It's also the reason why, while I certainly miss my DVP, I increasingly don't regret returning it.
[Venue Pro General] vastcomm:
Ram Concerns

Yes, I am also quite concerned. This venue pro freezes so much. I would like to keep this phone for a year or so but I am afraid it will be obsolete when Dell introduces its new line this first quarter.

The android version seems to have 512mb so I am wondering if the venue and the venue pro use the same hardware configuration. Would DELL make the venue android edition more powerful?

I am mainly concerned about the venue pro being able to stand the test of time. Its a great form factor but if it wont be able to multitask and remain stable I will need to consider other options. :confused:
[Venue Pro General] raimeiken:
any official word from dell about the amount of RAM?

and also whatever happened to the free bluetooth headsets?!
[Venue Pro General] Desynthesis:
I don't recall anything about free handsets.

And no, still no word about RAM. Someone on the Dell Forums said Dell would give an answer on twitter on the 30th, they didn't (could have just been a rumor).
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
if I recall, Dell said 4-6 weeks.
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
Not sure I would trust a app to read the info.. why not just put in the Diagnostic code..?

##634#

It Reports :

DISK SPACE

578146472 / 8159494144

Which converts to:

551.3 MB (Out of 512MB) / 7.59 GB (Out of a 8GB card)

This is could be "Free space" and if you add the two together and account for the apps and little music I have on the phone.. you get about 8.5 GB.

It would also explain without the SDCard it reads in the 400 or so range..

Remember that MS said they were doing with the SD card and onboard memory was merging them together. Which would explain the 551MB reporting if its only supposed to have 512.

So I think its the way the OS is reporting is all.. and wouldnt get my panties in a bunch over it.. 256 or 512 the OS runs buttery smooth as do the gaming apps like "asassins creed" which I would think would take a lot of ram.

BTW I don't seem to have a lot of freezes either.. unless the battery is low. Then it starts acting slow.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
uhhh

since when does RAM == Storage memory?

I'm pretty sure those are two totally different things. You're confusing storage memory (onboard) with microsd and the two aren't mutually exclusive
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
It could simply be a short cut for reporting..

As I noted it reports TWO figures.. but doesnt say what the two are.. and reports them in Bytes. This afterall a "app" for the manufacturer so they don't need to be clear as customers aren't supposed to find it.

Commonsense would dictate that the first number (which is close to over 512) is RAM and the second (Which is close to 8GB) is the card or storage memory.

In anycase, it really comes down to everyone getting all out of shape about information thats coming from an app that may or may not be reading the hardware appropriately.

I would trust the numbers coming off the phones diagnostic program before I trusted an App that may or may not be reading the phones hardware properly.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
this was my thought also. I know MS is doing something different...and we are simply not interpreting it correctly...well not correctly, we just are not sure what we're looking at. It seems highly unlikely Dell would deliver a 256 phone. It does seem likely that tech support may not know the specifics, yet. I think we all haven't figured out all the x's and I'd, yet
[Venue Pro General] Razorfold:
Um the app uses a WP7 function from microsoft that reads the RAM amount.

Now MS have stated that the amount shown will be less than the actual RAM amount (most people have interpreted this to mean that it shows the RAM available) and they're correct on that front:

Every phone that is known to have 512mb shows as 470-490mb

Dell venue pro shows 225mb

So now either the function doesn't work on the Venue Pro for some god knows what reason, or there really is only 256mb.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
this is the 2nd time you've said this. If you look at ram, internal memory, and then storage, the sd card,what is said here is clear...at least to me. The diagnostic tool shows ram/sdcard.

The device info tool appears to report a number no one appears to accept. Some of us are suggesting this number needs to be clarified and understood.

I mean, do you really believe this is a 256m phone?
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
=(

you do realize the two figures you quoted were still storage? One in bytes and one in gb?

also while I see you have out of 512 I have no idea how you even accessed those settings...

But even still you're lumping storage memory and that's not the question of how much storage memory the phone has. RAM is the question to which 2 independent programs have to date note 256 mb
[Venue Pro General] Desynthesis:
For the headsets?
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
What is RAM but storage.. temporary storage but storage none the less.

As for how.. Its simple.. open your phone and "call" ##634#

It opens a diagnostic app..

Click "System Infomation"

Its listed like this

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

MEMORY

Disk Space

5791432704/8159494144

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am curious what other phones are reporting.. becuase if its close but different numbers then we can confirm to a point that its reporting free space or available space
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
but...and here again

That's not ram

that's storage memory

Da_g and others have noted the same thing. The storage space is combined with the sd card memory. There is no argument about that

but that number is not RAM

That's just allocated storage space any device has

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=649911

also

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5366/image001yaz.jpg

and finally

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/7039/image002eg.jpg

and finally to the above

THAT'S NOT RAM That's Disk space

this isn't some relative argument or philosophy. There is none. This is like CIS I - RAM =/= Storage space or disk storage
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
True and I just remembered there is supposedly 1GB of ROM or not.

Zune reports I am using:

2.55 GB for Music and such

1.65 GB "reserved" space and content from other computers.. ? What ever that means..

4.5 GB free

That would come to a total of 8.7 of storage.. so maybe the numbers are ROM/Card and its not reporting RAM at all..

All I know is we KNOW MS stated they are using memory differently.. and between the RAM/ROM/SDCard the 8GB models should have roughly 9.5 GB.. so... are they short changing the ROM too? I Doubt it.

I really think its a matter of how things are getting reported. The diagnostic screen on the DVP is completely different than the other phones I have seen so far. So who knows the firmware may report things a bit different than the HTC or Samsung the program was written with. I mean we know some other things like tethering work only on Samsung, LED flashlight on the HTCs, etc..

Overall it doesnt matter to me because the PHONE performs fine with whatever RAM/ROM/Storage it has currently.
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
Are you 100% sure.. because as mentioned the phone lists it as

MEMORY then Disk space then the two numbers... The MAIN category is MEMORY..

Just saying.. no one is 100% they are going off a program that may have been written for a HTC or Samsung and isnt reading the DVP correctly..

The answer lies in someone cracking open thier DVP And looking..

You first :)
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
oh god

http://www.essortment.com/all/romramstorage_rioo.htm

Please just read that it sorts this ram/rom/storage issue to rest because currently you guys are using terms and lumping them together when they shouldn't be lumped together

and yes I am very VERY sure you guys are following computer/phone taboo number one

combining ram/rom/disk storage

the three have completely different functions
[Venue Pro General] flashpanda:
If the DVP has no internal NAND, it can *only* store information on its MicroSD card. I the card is then removed, it logically has no storage. In which case, where is the 400MB of reported storage coming from, when the SD card is removed? My hunch would be WP7 is using a ramdisk.

Quick test - pull the SD card, device apparently functions fine, reports about 400MB of storage. Add stuff to storage, pictures etc. Reboot phone (pull battery in between so it's cold boot), see if stuff persists. RAM is volatile, so the stuff would be cleared, if indeed it is using a RAMdisk.

Equally, this could explain why, despite also using MicroSDHC cards, the device is not only apparently faster than an HD7, but also boots and loads quite a bit faster - a (sizable) amount of RAM is being used as a ramdisk/buffer/cache to the SD card. This would explain why the device is reporting <256MB of RAM - it has all 512MB, but a large portion is reserved to preserve performance, which isn't the worst idea. Other devices could be doing this as well, which could explain the 'odd' RAM amounts reported using DeviceExtendedInfo by other devices - they're using some of their RAM as a cache as well.

All of the above is just a theory, of course, but I thought I'd put it out there. Waiting to hear from Dell though :)
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
That's not right at all.

Read the following

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=649911

secondly read

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=887419

when the sd card is removed, the onboard storage (or the 512 value) will be used till there is no more. However, as Da_G has noted previously (ad nauseum), the wp7 memory system also combines the phone storage (512) and the sd/flash storage and combines the two values. Hence when the storage card is removed, the phone will hard reset and begin to use internal memory on its own.

There is again no question whether the device has internal memory. We know there is about 512 mb of internal memory, but that memory is not ram.

Don't believe me try this

RAM does not store apps. It's volatile and goes away when the phone is powered off. If there is some program storage, as in the second link I quoted, its NOT RAM

It is the phone's internal storage.

Every Singe phone (even dumb phones) has some sort of internal storage. Why anyone wishes to confuse a phone internal storage and RAM is beyond me. The two have not, nor will ever be the same.

Well I do take that back. In the old days (wm 2002 I believe) you could use storage memory to bump up ram, but since windows mobile 5, that is no longer the case. The memory systems are not the same.

Call me being disgrunted, but you give dell far too much credit. Trust me, if dell finds a way to cut corners, they do. EG, used replacement hardware, bad motherboards, they will use it. The likelihood that such a company with a continuous shady history of using means and methods that (while not illegal, but definitely a breach of ethics) screw the customer, will stop for a flagship wp7 device is slim. Heck look at the Aero/Streak. That says it all.

Now with regard to the idea of a ramdisk and buffer, it is possible that wp7 may use that as a failsafe. But there are no devices on the market that indicate this. It is possible that the reason that everything could be so responsive is in the cache, how I don't know
[Venue Pro General] flashpanda:
I think you missed my point. If the device has no internal NAND (flash memory). I haven't seen anything to suggest it has any NAND whatsoever (I'm just going with a theory here, if you have anything to suggest otherwise, I would be interested in seeing it).

I wish you'd get over the thing about RAM not being able to store apps and so on. I fully understand the concept of RAM/ROM/Storage (I'm a CS grad). However, if the RAM is treated by the device as a ramdisk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramdisk), yes, it absolutely can store (temporarily, as I said above, it's volatile) pictures, music, apps, whilst the device is powered. For what it's worth, Windows CE6 has ramdisk support builtin, as a capability.

Yes, I get the concept that nearly all devices will have internal storage. As far as I can ascertain, for the DVP, and other WP7 devices that rely on MicroSD for internal storage, they don't have any other form of storage besides the MicroSD card. When this is pulled, the device runs entirely on a ramdisk.

As I said above, quicky test is pulling the SD card, adding stuff to 'internal storage', then coldbooting it again. If it's using a NAND chip for internal storage, this data will persist. If it's using a ramdisk, it cannot persist.
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
Then the question is Dell short changing the ROM too?

As its supposed to be 1GB and not 512.

Again not to beat the dead horse..

1) As noted above the two numbers are listed under MEMORY then disk space. Its not like they have directions on what all the info means in the diagnostic app. If they did we would be able to input codes into the fields that show up. So no matter what we say we are at best guessing what the two numbers mean. Could be ROM/Storage Card or RAM/ROM storage (Including Card), could be anything.. and unless you work for Dell in thier DEV team its all conjecture.

2) No matter the math.. none of the numbers come up to 9.5 GB by a long shot.. meaning either they are shortchanging RAM AND ROM, or its not reporting everything.

3) Like the previous post mentioned.. its possible the DVP is caching some of the RAM and ROM for its own uses thus skewing the numbers.

4) Who knows if the program is reading everything correctly..

5) It doesnt matter the DVP is fast even if it is 256 and not 512

The ONLY real way to know is to open a DVP and check the chips themselves. That is until someone on the Dev team at Dell or MS actually shed some light on how the phones use memory and storage.

Because its obvious that MS is doing it different with this OS. Otherwise the SD cards could be hot swapped and they can't.

So in final... let just admit:

1) We don't know everything.

2) MS is doing something very different with this OS.

3) We can't be 100% sure the app in question is reporting correctly, because of #1 and #2.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
*slaps forehead* oy vey

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=887419

from topic

Gee wonder how it works...Oh yes that's right - Internal Storage

If there was no internal storage, where would the OS be stored without the microsd card? Really just think a bit and quit being so dang obstinate about this. Every phone has internal storage - EVERY PHONE. Why it works? Internal storage.
[Venue Pro General] SonicFlare:
lol, 2 pages of clarification of basic computer terms (Memory, Storage).

domineus, Thanks for the screenshots.

Can we stay on the topic? :)