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[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Frostshock:
I am pretty sure the G2 and Desire Z have exactly the same download and upload speed, except the G2 doesn't come with Sense by default and operates on 1700/2100 frequencies. Bell's Desire Z will get 3G on AT&T but I think it has the 2100 band removed so it may not get 3G in Europe.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] burtcom:
I came from the Tytn II also -- the only thing I regretted (at first) was not being able to use my considerable collection of bought Windows Mobile 6 software, but I was screwed anyway since WinMo 7 wasn't going to be backwards compatible. So now I'm an android geek, and loving it.

Desire Z is an amazing phone.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pyper70:
Yeah Greece runs on 900/1800 & 2100 for 3G....So I need to maybe buy a phone with these specs. Perhaps I can get lucky and buy it from a UK website cheaper. They want close to $750 for it in a retail store of Greece.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pyper70:
One other question....I am searching for A7272 which is the international version HTC Desire Z. I was looking through some auctions and the Desire Z / G2 say that they have a S-LCD display....when searching for A7272, the sellers claim that the screen is AMOLED....Is there truth to this?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steviewevie:
It's not AMOLED, it's S-LCD. But it's a very good display.

Which networks do you want your phone to run on ? Here's a summary of which 3G bands the G2/DZ versions operate on (note that you can *not* change this via a radio update, it's set in hardware) :

G2 - Bands IV(1700) and I (2100).

Desire Z - Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).

Bell Desire Z - Band II (1900) and Band V (850) - same bands as AT&T uses in the US.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pyper70:
Well I absolutely need the 900/2100 (2G / 3G respectively for Greece) because I spend a good chunk of time there. As far as the US is concerned, I run on T-Mobile there. Worst case scenario, I'll keep my TYTN II for use in the States.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 5thave174:
Note that both machines have nearly identical hardware. They BOTH have 4GB physical RAM however this is permanently partitioned at the factory so that approx 2GB is usable. There are threads on this board that discuss this at length. Upshot is that we have 2GB effective RAM in both the Desire Z and the G2.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pyper70:
So I am poking around the net...I found that the G-2 from T-Mobile has Quad Band and UMTS for 1700/2100....Greece runs on 900/1800 GSM & UMTS 2100...Big question is...whats the difference between buying a Desire Z and a G2. I am looking at about a $150 gap in the price....Is the UI different? Hardware different? Screen? Some people are saying theirs has a TFT...others say LCD....even found one that said AMOLED (which I KNOW is wrong)

It looks like the G2 will run in Greece...but I don't care too much for that Google Interface...Can I drop that UI and put something else? Can I load up HTCSense and still register the G2 on the site and have those options or is that strictly a Desire Z option?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steviewevie:
The only real difference are the radio bands (fixed in hardware, you can't change it) and the hardware keyboard layout. They do come with different ROMs, Sense on the DZ and without Sense on the G2. Same screens (S-LCD), same memory, same everything else.

Yes, you can flash a Sense ROM onto a G2 or vice versa. If you have a Sense ROM you should be able to use HTCSense.com (though that functionality is not finished yet by HTC).

I recommend you choose your phone based on the radio band support. You can easily change to a different ROM if you want to. So I think you need a DZ based on the radio bands (DZ in Europe has Band I - 2100, and Band VIII - 900 ; the G2's band 1700/2100 is a different band, Band IV).
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sparacis:
I have a brand new desire z I bought for my girlfriend but she doesn't like it and wants an Iphone (go figure) I will sell to you if you want?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pyper70:
No offense Sparacis, but because it is a high amount of money for a product. I want to purchase it online with a little bit of protection. Just in case something happens. I hope you understand.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sparacis:
perfectly understandable no offense taken. Just thought I would throw it out there.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] catachresistant:
It's S-LCD which is a type of P-VA which is a type of (TFT-)LCD.

Clear?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
I upgraded from the Tilt2 to the Desire Z, and was completely blown away at how much better this phone is. Switching from the 3 year old Tilt to the DZ is going to absolutely blow your mind. You will not want to use your old Tilt anymore after you upgrade, trust me (except as an emergency backup device).

As steviewevie mentioned, you should pick the version that has the radios you need, since this is a hardware thing, and can't be changed. The software is completely changeable. You can always flash a Sense ROM onto the G2. Sounds like you need to buy either a Euro Desire Z or the T-Mob G2, depending on which will give you 3G in the country you spend the most time in.

Also, Sense is really just an enhancement to Android. Lots of elements of the Android OS still remain. And lots of what Sense does, can be accomplished with third party apps and homescreen widgets. So you can alway try that route, if you decide to get a G2 and are gun shy about ROM flashing.

I agree that Windows Phone 7 is too new an OS to invest in at the moment. App support is going to be slow to build up steam. It took Android the better part of 2 years before the app market really started reaching critical mass. And it really remains to be seen whether WP7 can really survive in the current smartphone environment. MS really has a tough fight in front of them if they want to prove themselves a viable competitor to Apple and Android.

Bottom line, if the hardware keyboard is a must, the Desire Z/G2 is the best phone around right now. You won't be disappointed if you buy it.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dalamak:
Wrote a huge editorally on my opinions, but somehow lost it all running spellcheck:mad: so the super abridged, is if you want the physical keyboard get the vision if u don't use it get the HD2, you can dual boot win-android, but right now android is the way to go... but i'm still pissed :mad:
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boricuaboy2005pr:
i got 1 to work with att and it was will worth it
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
The HD2 specs are somewhat behind those of the Vision, and my understanding is an Android port is never going to run as well as a phone that runs it natively (but not speaking from experience on the HD2 specifically). And I hate to admit it, but WM6 is dead and needs to be buried. I don't miss it for a second. If the Desire HD is a available in your market, I can see that as a strong option. Otherwise, the Vision does not have many legitimate contenders right now.
[myTouch 4G Accessories] uzi132:
does anyone know where i can buy (if its an actual product) a screen protector that has the feel of iPhone? It's sort've a greasy nice slick feel. Neither anti-glare nor mirror, just want it for the slick feeling when i touch the screen.

thanks in advance.

edit: no one has any info T_T?!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AlexM555:
I have just recently gotten a new HTC EVO from Sprint and even though it came with an 8GB micro SD card, I was dismayed to learn that it comes with very little internal storage (~277 MB with default apps installed). Android 2.2 is installed on the device, which does allow some of the newer apps to be installed on the SD card, but there are a lot of older apps that can't be moved to the SD card due to Android's original security.

It got me to think about a similar situation I used to have with my Palm Treo. We had an external SD card, but no real way of using it. Then came PowerRun, a utility that allowed us to offload apps to the SD card while not in use, and reload them to system memory and executed upon relaunch automatically.

My question is, could it be possible for the wizards here at xda to come up with a similar utility for Android systems? I know there would be limitations, such as running processes and other system programs that need to remain in internal memory, but it seems to me that other non-essential games and apps could be offloaded to the SD card and deleted from system memory and only leave behind a launcher icon that would call the launcher app that would reload the app on the SD card back into internal memory, then launched. This would free up the internal memory for max efficiency. Could this be possible?

See the original PowerRun for Palm OS system here for the basic idea behind it at simple-palm.com/powerrun/index-e.html
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SteelH:
Interesting idea indeed. There is already a great deal of effort in this area of freeing up internal phone memory. A2SD, Dalvik2Cache, and firerat's partition resizing are some great ways to increase internal phone memory by moving things around and optimizing the usage of what we have.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
Right, I've been digging around with the Windows Phone Developer Tools, and have been working on a few things.

The first tool I'm releasing is RemoteExecute, it lets you run any program that's already on the device, supplying a path and any parameters. (e.g. \Windows\RegionCPL.exe)

It's currently only connecting to the first WP7 device it finds (not emulators) but it could connect to any device/emulator if I bothered to code an interface for it.

There's very little error handling, because this has sort of been whipped up in a hurry...

Anyway, it may or may not need a developer unlocked device (I don't know, I've only got unlocked ones) and it doesn't let you deploy anything at all. And you might need the real WP7 Developer Tools, but I can't test that.

Source code may be available if anyone wants it, but I'll need to clean it up a little...

Enjoy, and Merry Christmas!

Update

Requires a developer unlocked device (Chevron should work for this purpose)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
Programs to launch...

This is a list of some of the EXEs and what they do (bear in mind there are over 100 in \Windows, I'm not going through all of them!)

\Windows\Settings3.exe - Settings app

\Windows\ShortMsg.exe - SMS

\Windows\WebSearch.exe - Bing

\Windows\WiFiUXSplash.exe - WiFi setings

\Windows\ZipView.exe - Open ZipViewer, with no browsing function, needs ZIP passed via command line

\Windows\OMHub.exe - Office hub

Like on WM6.X, Office apps are PPT.exe, PXL.exe and PWORD.exe, but they need to be launched with command line parameters to open files, as they no longer have a browser built in.

Things that don't work:

\Windows\AutoDataConfig.exe - "Additional information: This program is blocked by group policy. For more information, contact your system administrator."
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] obelix:
I like the idea of running apps from the desktop. Unfortunately when I run l3v5y.WP7DT.RemoteExecute.exe and provide a path like \windows\settings3.exe the app crashes:

Description

Faulting Application Path:	C:\Native access\l3v5y.WP7DT.RemoteExecute\l3v5y.WP7DT.RemoteExecute.exe

Problem signature

Problem Event Name:	CLR20r3

Problem Signature 01:	l3v5y.wp7dt.remoteexecute.exe

Problem Signature 02:	1.0.0.0

Problem Signature 03:	4d164edf

Problem Signature 04:	l3v5y.WP7DT.SmartDevice.Connectivity

Problem Signature 05:	1.0.0.0

Problem Signature 06:	4d164e96

Problem Signature 07:	113

Problem Signature 08:	36

Problem Signature 09:	TEEK34PJDMM4HDZEPFRMOBGOA4O3JUV0

OS Version:	6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.4

Locale ID:	1033

Additional Information 1:	0a9e

Additional Information 2:	0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

Additional Information 3:	0a9e

Additional Information 4:	0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

Have you seen crashes like this? I just have a Samsung connected, and the Zune software running.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
for me it also crashes no mater what path I use it always crash .

I have a hd7.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
Can I check if either of you have the WP7 Developer Toolkit installed?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] contable:
Does anybody know which .exe launches the Bluetooth settings ?

Since I left WM 6.5 I´m really missing a Bluetooth and WiFi Toggle on my startscreen...

Thanks in advance

contable
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] obelix:
By developer toolkit, do you mean the official Windows Phone Developer Tools? If so yes I have that installed but not any other kits.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Toddsa:
I am curious how do you execute a process on the devic, are you connecting to a device side winsock server over USB and calling CreateProcess?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
I'm using the same libraries as Microsoft use for XAP installation and general communication with the phone (other than Zune media).

I'll post some code/explanations and things when I've got my desktop with me again.

Essentially, it's similar to this, but there are some significant changes between the VS2008+WM6.X model and the VS2010+WP7 one.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Toddsa:
If the ability to create a process exists in the public API you may be able to copy a native application to the device and start it using that public API. You could then create an RPC mechanism in your application like RAPI as 6.x devices had. RAPI was just a Winsock client \ server application. I wonder if it is possible to create and deploy a Telnet and FTP server to the device using those public connectivity API.

RAPI is documented on MSDN but since I am under 8 posts I can not include a URL here.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
Creating processes is, but the file access functions of the libraries seem to give "Access Denied" errors on virtually everything. I'm working on this, and seeing whether there's a different library I can use.

It might be possible to piggy back on the VS2010 debugger utilities, and from there get more control over the device.

The advantage of deploying code to the device directly is it gets around the native code limitations of XAPs, and would allow a lot more freedom. Problem is, it doesn't work yet! I'll post my code when I can, as it's probably a useful basis for achieving more.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pth6:
I have the same error on my trophy with zune open and vs2010 with WP7 tools.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] martani:
I've just tested it, the device must be unlocked for the app to work!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pth6:
Ok thanks for the information.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
Thanks for that information, I'll update the first post.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] xboxmod:
Hi l3v5y

thanks for this very usefull tool.

it's possible to have the source file to see what we can do with it!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] martani:
I already played with the source code for this app, which is almost the same as the Tom Xap Installer, Reflector if your friend :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
They're both effectively rehashes of the WP7 toolkit (though the XAP installer is just a copy/paste into one function of the Installer, this actually does something different).

Reflector is indeed your friend, though I'll post code when I can anyway, as it's a little less annoying to use! :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] MJCS:
Have you done any more work on this project
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
As of yet, nothing that works...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 29629:
Need some help, hope someone can. Friend had a rooted Evo, wanted to go back to stock so ran the s on program and then flashed the pc36IMG.zip. they never exported their contact to sd card. I tried reflashing unrevoked to no avail. I can pull up the nandroid on computer through usb. Any way to pull the info from there or any ideas how to get unrevoked to work?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evolishesh:
He should have his contacts on his google email account. Go online and login in to google and hit contacts, all of his contacts should be there, and if you add your google account to your phone it should sync your contacts,along with his email
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] squick:
The only prob with this is how he added any new contacts to the phone. If they added as phone contact then they will not be in google. If they were saved as a google contact then yes, when they sign back in, through the market for instence, they will auto update. From now on, tell them to always add contact as google contact when given the choice.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wayno-san:
Not to hijak the thread but is there an easy way to move phone contacts to google contacts? I've been trying to do that for a while but haven't found the answer.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deathsled:
export phone contacts to SD card. Then run import and you can chose to import from the file on the SD card into your google contacts
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wayno-san:
Thanks for the info. I did that and was relieved to find that google contacts has a merge duplicates function. :)
[EVO 4G General] mastermarc:
So i started getting the low space error, and despite my efforts, i keep losing more space.

I first got the error with ~40mb of internal space left, and so i started uninstalling apps, doing searches on how to fix the issue, clearing cache etc. This brought me up to a whopping 50mb and the error went away.. For a night.

Then it came back, 43mb, and now that i look at it today i'm down to 39mb

So where the hell is my space going?

I've already moved all the apps that can be moved on the SD card with apps2sd, and i added up all the apps in the apps2sd program that says "phone only"

I get 76mb from apps,

+157mb contacts storage

=233mb used internal space

I'm looking for a program or something like "Jdiskreport" which allows you to graphically view your files based on their size, so you can find large files no matter where they are hiding instead of just randomly browsing through the root explorer.

When i open up manage applications here are my top space users

Contacts storage 157mb

Messenger voice and video 22.57mb (on sd card)

Adobe flash 10.9mb

Officesuite 8.7mb

RockPlayer 8.39mb (on sd card)

Handcent SMS 5.32mb

facebook 5.14mb

Then i have a bunch of >5mb programs, but many of them are on the sd card.

Anyone got any suggestions? I thought the evo had lots of space.

-edit-

I'm running Fresh 3.5.0.1 rom rooted and such
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Maybe it's browser cache? Does the contacts storage also include text messages?

I've never used Apps2SD but if it works like the native 2.2 SD storage then it doesn't completely move apps to the SD card. I'm pretty sure that the App itself is stored in the internal storage and only non-essential data is moved to the SD card.
[EVO 4G General] mastermarc:
Nope already cleared browser caches.

SMS messages are under 5mb, (already had to fix that issue when having 3000+ messages started killing my sms program)

But whats weird about this whole thing is that it's not like i went on an app installing spree. I installed all these apps long ago and haven't messed with it much, then one day i get the low storage space issue.
[EVO 4G General] dschoenike:
try "disk usage" in the market. its free, and it should show you what's using all your free space.

dschoenike
[EVO 4G General] mastermarc:
Cool this works, shows:

Data

Applications 310MB

Contacts storage 157.3MB

System data 78MB

Free space 39MB

Guess i'll start digging through it
[EVO 4G General] dschoenike:
really? when I use it, it shows storage card and application storage. sorry, thought that's what you were looking for (application storage I mean).

dschoenike

oh cool. glad its working for you.
[EVO 4G General] mastermarc:
This seems to be the case, i've got (303MB-157contact storage=146MB) in "Applications" even though the apps2sd program only shows something like 76mb

57MB under "System Data" Anyone else know if this is reasonable?

Uninstalled a few apps, namely the video messenger add on for yahoo (until it goes down in size or i actually find someone to video chat with)

so i'm up to 66MB free...guess that will be ok for a while.
[EVO 4G General] dschoenike:
not sure whats normal regarding system data space, but I'm at 12.2mb, im running cm6.1. just an fyi cause I saw you were in the 50's.
[EVO 4G General] lloydcabraham:
I had the same problem until I used Darktremors a2sd and moved my Dalvik to sd also. The Dalvik is the reason that you're running out of space and the Froyo apps2sd does nothing for it. just remember to keep all apps using a widget on the phone instead of sd. I hover between 107 and 120mb free with 230 user apps and an additional 150 in system apps.
[EVO 4G General] lloydcabraham:
I almost forgot to mention that you must be rooted and have a rom that supports it. I use myn's.
[EVO 4G General] gp8221:
If your evo phone is root, there's an app in the market call install manager , you'll be able to install your app on the SD Card, with no problem.
[EVO 4G General] durandetto:
Sounds like you have a **** load of apps. I have like 20 right now but I have 350 MB of free space. I imagine I would have to have a hundred in order to be that low. However I am rooted and I got rid of most of the Sprint crap.

Sent from my EVO 3G!
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
I'm having the same issue. How does one move the dalvik to sd?

Swyped from my EVO
[EVO 4G General] Jimdog420:
To enable dalvik to cache you must flash a rom that has that feature. I don't believe its possible with stock/non superuser (unrooted phone)

Swyped from a galaxy far far away......
[EVO 4G General] mastermarc:
Could you explain the part in bold? Anyway here is what i did and what my results were.

So since i have a rooted rom i went ahead and installed this via the instructions here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7021325&postcount=2

Doing this alone brought me up to 81MB (from 39)

Then i followed the instructions for the command line interface of darktremors a2sd here

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7021609&postcount=5

I opened up terminal and typed in:

cachesd

-Moves Dalvik cache files to the ext2/ext3/ext4 partition on your secure digital card. Creates Dalvik Cache to SD flag.

It immediately restarted and now it shows i'm up to 174MB available space

I booted back into the terminal and ran

/system/bin/a2sd check

I found an X next to one of the things about apps, so i ran the repair.

/system/bin/a2sd repair

It forced closed 2 apps and then restarted itself

At this point it went down to 130MB on reboot

Went back into a2sd and ran check again, the [X] on the apps part is now a [!]

So i ran

/system/bin/a2sd reinstall

Waited for that to do its thing, force closed something or other and then rebooted itself

Upon reboot i'm back up to 173MB free, rerunning a2sd check shows no [X]'s so that all looks good.

Everything seems to be working as of now with a good amount of free space so that's where i'm at.
[EVO 4G General] nhutpham:
If you move apps with widgets to the sd with apps to sd, the widgets won't load. You gotta leave those on the phone.

Are you using just the native froyo "move to sd" kind of functionality or are you using the DarkTremor's Apps2sd root functionality?

It sounds like you're just moving the apps that have that support moving to sd card, with the other method ANY app can be installed to your sd card.