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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] siulmagic:
Dugeon defenders will never run fine or ok on the hd2, walking around and stuff is ok(about 10-15 fps thats what i guess the game runs about) but as soon as monsters come close to you its slows to a crawl 4-5 fps, the adreno 200 is just not powerfull enough to handle dungeon defenders, after all its the crapiest of all mobile gpus(with open gl es 2.0 support). if you whant to run dungeon defendr at a playable frame rate get ether an sgs(best choice of currrent phone until tegra 2 based phones come out) or any omap cpu based phones ie: cliq2, driod,milestone etc etc. btw out of topic but, the new Modern Combat 2 Black pegasus game, runs awesomely great on the snapdraogn devices, id say around 40-45 fps. so yea if you got some bucks buy it.
[Epic 4G General] metalblaster:
The fact that we were promised a piece of software that should only require minor tweaking is absolutely unacceptable. I use linux for almost everything and that being said I know a bit about rolling out releases of different distros and how to integrate them into different systems. Android is a linux based software, (Opensource might I add), the only reason we don't have the bleeding edge is because Samsung needs to put their horrible UI into it, TW. I don't care about "Touchwiz" its badly programmed and anyone who has taken basic programing courses could program a GUI for this phone that puts it to shame. I'm sick of dealing with leaked versions of things that I was promised. No offense to any of the Devs, you guys are incredible and should be paid to roll out these releases rather than waiting for these bad companies with their "programmers" to try to find out how to use a toilet. we should have a stable build of gingerbread by now and I'm sorry but building a driver/hardware file for a computer isnt that hard, nor should it be so for Samsung since they placed all the parts into the phone. What do they have like one person with half a brain trying to reprogram the whole OS using Assembly code? Do they not realize the OS its self is open source and you can mod the code for each phone?? Both sprint and Samsung are horrible companies, if Froyo doesn't show soon, I will never touch a single one of their products after my contract is up, which is soon. Sorry, I just needed to rage. Hard. :mad:
[Epic 4G General] elihmph:
Im with you man. Samsung stinks! I traded my EVO for a Epic and I have regretted it since. It has the best hardware out there and ZERO support. They are too slow about upgrades that are available and even lower end phones have gotten Froyo. They should skip Froyo and be first to drop Gingerbread. But, that would be too much like right for Samsung who sold the phones then dropped all of its users like a bad habit. If they dont do something soon Ill never buy another phone from Samsung. I dont blame Sprint because dropping updates is not on them. The EVO will probably be the next to get Froyo because that's the phone that Sprint has thrown it all in with.
[Epic 4G General] garreto:
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's Sprint's fault for the delayed release. Sprint putting in their bloatware is the most likely reason we have not received the OTA yet. While Samsung is at fault for not getting it out sooner, it is Sprint that is causing this delay.
[Epic 4G General] xyexz:
All companies are like this its not just sprint or samsung... I've been with every carrier except att and I've tried all three major cellphone brands and they've all lagged behind like this.

Until android is less fragmented, (think its getting there), and carriers realize their UIs only frustrate consumers and there are better ways to advertise/garnish more fundage from existing customer base; we will face "version lag" all the time regardless of carrier/phone.

Just my $0.02
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
I think saying Gingerbread should be available now is pushing it..at this stage Gingerbread is for "developers"...I'm not saying that its not stable or anything, but it requires time to optimize for the hardware at hand...no phone ever gets a new Android OS until a few months after it came out..other the developer phones...

As for Froyo..according to samsung they gave it to the carriers..yes they have been slow overall but considering they are releasing 2.2.1 and not just 2.2 puts them there...

We know 100% that touchwiz is not the issue at this point as the leaks are running touchwiz just fine..

Either way there is still hope for end of the year update..as next playbook comes out on the 29th
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
+1K

we could all do one thing in the morning CALL SPRINT AND *****:mad:

Ya it may not do any thing but piss off the cs that takes the call but o well:rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] diego1985:
Why ***** to customer service? They can't do a damn thing. If you were to ***** to anyone, ***** to the techs or their managers.
[Epic 4G General] abrcrmdl23:
I haven't heard any body mention this in the forums but I was reading an article that said sprint was bringing their new crappy sprint ID software to the new epic update and I guarantee that's probably what's causing the delay
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
Sprint "bloatware" is only a few apps worth a few megs. I think the only bloatware would be TW. I will never understand why is it so hard to port, say, the g2 build of android to our phone or any other android phone considering its pure vanilla with a few apps installed extra.. but that's why I'm no dev lol
[Epic 4G General] uranidiot:
right its not like ANY of the us carriers have gotten froyo on the galaxy s, something is seriously WRONG HERE and samsung is to blame! the phone should had froyo on it since DAY1! the nexus s had gingerbread since day 1 why didnt the galaxy s. regardless the epic should have froyo on it and if they want to release gingerbread later then go ahead. release froyo already! the phone never realized its potential. making us wait this long and i mean all of AMERICA is going to hurt samsung in the long run. i for one WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER SAMSUNG PHONE AGAIN! tweet email samsung and tell them them same.

btw if u bought a vibrant, how pissed off r u that the nexus s came out!
[Epic 4G General] DiGi760:
They can't do a damn thing either. Especially if you're in a non-corporate store.
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
Can anyone put a link of as to who we can ***** too??
[Epic 4G General] Eazail70x7:
Let's KILL!! (lol)
[Epic 4G General] Matstarr:
A reply to the (op) My friend owns an Epic so I came on here to check if Froyo was released for it today and I ran across this post. I for one know that this all falls on Samsung and has nothing to do with Sprint. I have an EVO since launch day and have gotten 4 updates including Froyo about a month after release of the phone. Your Epics came out about a week or two after we got Froyo and Samsung has been promising ever since. Google other Samsung phones and you will see this is a trend with this company. The Galaxy S line over seas are not carried by Sprint and they just started getting Froyo Open your eyes its Samsung. No Froyo on T-Mobile, Verizon or At&t
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Well Samsung must be to bizy making Auto Guns to keep the Crazy ****s in the North at bay. Than to hire any of the devs around hear that seem to know a little about our phone.

People. Say don't ***** out sprint well start posting some @samsung.com emails that you think we can ***** to insted?

Sent from my ComBadge
[Epic 4G General] Jjday7:
Exactly. Very well said. This is a samsung issue and sprint has nothing to do with it. If that was the case then when the Evo got Froyo it would have probably been delayed also. I am only posting here because I was considering getting a epic but with all this delay and lack of support, I think I will have to re-think that. Everyone said from day one that Samsung would not support the phone and it has been proven true. Just a note on the delay, I have to say that the update was out for the vibrant and it was bricking phones. That shows how good the developers are over at samsung. They can't even program their own product. It's a shame because it's such a nice phone and the keyboard was the icing on the cake. Oh well.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Vary true

But in away i feel kinda bad for the hardware Engs that made the Epic they put all that work into a sweet phone and the SW people just totally drop the ball
[Epic 4G General] bighuta:
http://tinyurl.com/2al2h5u

there you have it. Have fun!
[Epic 4G General] wettems35:
Where can we contact the company to ***** at them. Cause calling sprint isn't gonna do anything
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
They are both at fault actually. Samsung was slow to release the update to carriers and now they are being slow to release it to the end user. SGS devices in europe have had the update since november.

As to the evo issue, sprint considers the evo its flag ship device and as such makes sure it is up to date whereas they have made it abundantly clear they don't give a single flying **** about the epic so there is no incentive to update.

Sent from my Samsung Epic CyanogenMod 6.2 (much thanks noob)
[Epic 4G General] J3COMPUTERSERVICES:
+1000
[Epic 4G General] slybarman:
There was an interview on the Engadget show with a sprint product developer. He said that one of the Sprint ID flavors was going to be something as close as possible to stock android with no sprint bloatware installed. If they deliver on that, Sprint ID would not be all bad.
[Epic 4G General] xjman:
I'm pretty sure android is java based and runs inside of a vm that is run in linux.. not linux by its self. That would mean it takes more than a "minor" change or tweak.
[Epic 4G General] skeeterslint:
This is how it goes Sprint tells Samsung what they want, Samsung builds it gives it to Sprint, Sprint tests it, if they don't like it they go back to Samsung and tell them what they don't like about it and Samsung builds it again, rinse and repeat till its done right. Crying about it here isn't going to get it done any faster. I know everyone is pissed that we don't have froyo yet but all this crying on the forums isn't gonna make it happen any sooner. So basically threads like this are pretty damn useless and unproductive I you don't like the wait get an Evo and STFU.
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
Same to you. If you don't like these threads don't read them and STFU.
[Epic 4G General] skeeterslint:
Crying over spilt milk does no good at all. If you knew samsung track record wit getting their phones updated then you should have known this was going to happen if you didn't know about this then you jumped onto the samsung bandwagon without looking into how they do things flagship samsung phone or not this is the Samsung way it always has been always will be.
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
Well since you seem to have all the answers and since htc doesn't have a great record of updating phones either, which android phone would you recommend.
[Epic 4G General] Bigjim1488:
This situation is making me start to consider trading my epic for an evo!

Sent from my Epic while i should be working
[Epic 4G General] Quis89:
Oh my god you people need to pull your tampons out...

All this *****ing is crazy. The sense of entitlement you people possess is crazy. Get a damn basic phone next time and save yourselves the constant disappointment when your choice of manufacturer doesn't deliver as you would like.
[Epic 4G General] blu9987:
Why does everyone bash samsung as a company because you are too impatient for an os update.

Samsung is an amazing company and I'm brand loyal to them for everything. I had a pc monitor for a year and a half and it got some damage and had a dead pixel area... they sent a replacement to my post office I went in and switced it out (no waiting monitorless for weeks) come to find out they sent me a newer monitor with far better contrast ratio. Excellent support with them and amazing products. Got a sammy tv, phone, and monitor. You can't deny the epic is an amazing phone I'm still on eclair and really there's no reason to be complaining that uve been without froyo for a few months when u have the most impressive phone out aside from the nexus s perhaps
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
No question Samsung makes solid hardware,but their company doesnt care about its reputation.They have abandoned Behold2 without updates and lied saying that Behold2 wasnt capabale of running 2.1 android and even took the video off its website that had Samsung spokesman promising 2.1 update.G1 can run froyo but Behold2 cant?lol.

If they cared about their reputation they wouldnt abanon a product after 2-3 months despite its poor sales.How long does it take to make a linux update?I bet a good computer geek can make one in a week or less on his laptop and Samsung with all the resources they have take 6 months,what they only put in 15 minutes a day or something?

Anyways after owning a Behold2 I gave them another chance simply because they are one of very few companies that have Amoled screens and its a flagship phone on 5 major carriers,if they fck this one up I will never buy any Samsung products ever again and spread the word.
[Epic 4G General] skeeterslint:
Funny it seems HTC keeps there phones updated better then samsung does.The evo had froyo a month after it launched here we are 4 months later with no froyo in sight.
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
Ah, another one of those threads littered with the people who bought into the rants and raves on other sites and forums about how Android is the Zombo.com of mobile OSes, and any handset can run any version of Android the minute the source code is released with no more effort than downloading a file from Google and hitting compile.

So they come to XDA after hearing that this is where all the hacker oompa loompas slave over code for free because all that matters is freedom and the principles of openness.

Welcome to reality. The most open phones are usually off-contract and thus the most expensive. Not to mention, they wind up obsolete months before the next bleeding-edge 'open' phone comes along. If you want a sweet piece of hardware for a killer mobile experience, odds are stacked against you getting a vendor you won't have to depend on for updates.

It's been established time and again that even out-of-the-box with STOCK Eclair, the Epic 4G is a superior Android experience, beating out other handsets in raw capabilities without breaking a sweat. TouchWiz is more capable and feature-rich than the vanilla Android launcher (and thinking otherwise is like branding n00b on your forehead), and if your phone is somehow lagging when you use it, it isn't TW's fault. Stop putting crap on your phone.

Android is fast becoming the desktop Windows of mobile platforms. People pollute it with whatever crap is shiny at the time, and when things go to pot, pass the buck. That's unfair to Google, Samsung, and Sprint, and you should own up to your inexperience. There's nothing wrong with being a novice, everyone starts there, but a *****y novice is just a douchebag who'll never learn anything because they've already closed the door on acknowledging their own inexperience.

It confounds me that people n00b enough to think TouchWiz is somehow bloating their phones can think they're savvy enough to handle all the settings in Launcherpro and ADW.

It confounds me moreso that people think they're missing out on some part of the Android experience by not having Froyo yet. I'm sorry that you can't experience Froyo-only software (like a barely functional, piss-poor release of Skype) in Stock Land, but the reality is, since Cupcake, Android hasn't 'felt' any different in terms of usability. The only things that actually make Android feel fresh at this point are 3rd party work, completely unrelated to your version of the OS.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
So where is the 2.2.1 update on the EVO? Both international SGS and Droids already have it...

The Froyo update is on samsung sgs phones all over the globe including the Telus Fascinate..which is a cdma phone very close to ours and identical to the verizon one I think...which means its the carriers who are delaying it..
[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Fact of the meter is:If Samsung,HTC,Sony and others wanted they would release new updates withing a week but once the phone is sold making updates and consumer satisfaction is a second priority,and first priority is making and selling a new phone models.

Thats why when I owned an iphone I always had the latest sht running on my phone and iphone for some reason just felt more live than android platform kinda like XboxLive feels more live than PS3 internet expirience.Im not going back to ios but it did have its advantages.
[Epic 4G General] metalblaster:
This is OP, regardless of who is actually at fault for delaying the software update for this phone, both companies should be absolutely ashamed of their-selves. The only reason I own an Epic and not an Evo was because when I was signing up for a new contract and exchanging my phone in for a new one, the sprint employee screwed up and signed me up for another 2 years before I even said I wanted it. when I pointed this out, she told me about the epic and gave me an extreme discount on the phone, which then ended up becoming an even bigger problem because apparently the pre-order was sold out. Some how after this garbage, I got the phone for free. When the Razor phone was the Hot item, I had a similar thing happen with sprint yet again and I got the 2 free Katana handsets as well as a bunch of stuff off on my contract price. The point is, sprint basically sold me on this phone and specifically said I would get froyo "soon" after I got my pre-order phone. Next time, rather than dealing with these idiots, im going to verizion and getting a droid or im getting an HTC, hell, I might even try a windows phone. Anything is better than this string of broken promises.

On a similar note, I have a friend who lives in china. The way cell phones work over there is so much better. There are only 2 carriers that just sell plans, you but the handset from a separate store and put the Sim chip into it. If that was the case here, I could switch phones to something better right now rather than waiting a year or so and having to pay full price on another string of broken promises.
[Epic 4G General] Sh0wNuF:
Then move to china and enjoy communism
[Epic 4G General] apatcas:
Well that was a bit of stereotyping from you. Great...
[Epic 4G General] soba49:
I have a vzw fascinate. Yes we do plenty of our own griping too. I read this thread assuming the original poster was complaining about too much complaining. Oh well.

Yes, 2.1 was already long in the tooth when the various Galaxy S phones launched. Loud and clear. I just hope Samsung is learning the value of cleaning up their code base (particularly vendor internals like the radio interface layer) for future releases. Good luck and Merry Christmas.

Side note: on that China snipe, the closest thing we have in the USA to that are the pay as you go GSM plans, and they are spiking in popularity. Similar business model, but lagging technology and the hassle of unlocking. I have always wondered how the Chinese feel about having to wait to buy iPhones when they are actually manufactured accross the street. Not touting Apple product or anything like that!!-I simply find the scenario comical. Cheers.

Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, mumble.
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
If all that samsung bloat ware really doesn't matter explain how my quadrant scores nearly doubled with a pre beta of cm6?
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Before that, can you tell us what the score is in each category? because Quadrant is pointless unless your using Quadrant pro...
[Epic 4G General] Sh0wNuF:
How is it stereotyping to say china runs a communist govenrment? Its a known fact.
[Epic 4G General] skeeterslint:
Which is what I said if you read my post that it is Sprint that is delaying it for what reason who knows but they are the ones that are delaying it.The international SGS phones had many stop and starts before they got the froyo OTA the candadians OTA for the Bell Vibrant is bricking phones left and right so far it seem Telus is the only one who has done it right the first time the US carriers are probably holding off to make sure that the OTA they push out is in working order and not a brick maker or would you rather an OTA that bricks I know I would rather wait then to rush them and have an OTA brick my device.If you want froyo run one of the leaks they all run pretty decent with DK28 probably being the best of them honestly froyo isn't all its cracked up to be so why all the hate of not getting it will seem pretty pointless once its on your phone and you like oh **** I raged on XDA for this.Really its not that big a deal it will get here when it gets here and then everyone will be all mad that Gingerbread isn't out so if its not one thing its gonna be something else.
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
I don't have any plan on paying for an app that is really just there to itch my curiousity. I can tell you what the overall scores were (943 and 1697 respectively) and I can say that I can tell one hell of a difference on a PREBETA, not even a beta let alone a rc. You can tell me all day that quadrant doesn't mean anything but those numbers don't come out of a donkeys ass. The fact that the score increased by 753 and the fact that everyone I've talked to that has used it has spoken of its immense speed should be more than enough evidence.

Sent from my CyanogenModded (now much more) Epic. (Much thanks to Noobnl)
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
To be fair our device is more similar to the Telus one then the others...but it shouldn't really take days to check if it will OTA correctly or not...I mean DK28 OTA was fine to those that got it..so I don't see an issue other then carriers being lazy cause its not their flagship phone...

People want the source more then the actual thing..if they released the source without making it official most people here would be happy enough...

Then don't use quadrant at all and use say GLBenchmark...Quadrant without pro is completely useless..for all you know 90% of your score is just I/O..without knowing whats causing the increase its a useless benchmark..don't get me wrong I am not saying there are no improvements...but Quadrant is not an good indicator for how much of an improvement it really is...(unless as I said Pro is used)
[Epic 4G General] skeeterslint:
Yes I have been waiting for source code for months now but we won't get that till the finally decide to grace us with an OTA.It only a matter of time now before we get it hopefully only a couple more weeks but honestly I think its time and I am not bashing anyone with this to stop the why won't they give us froyo threads they are in all the galaxy s forums they get nowhere if people want to vent it out let them vent it out to Samsung or Sprint more so Sprint becuase they are the ones holding up the whole process Samsung is just doing what Sprint is telling tyhem to do and thats build us another release oh wait this doesn't work build us another one until Sprint gets all their eggs in one basket we aren't gonna see froyo.Hell I think they probably did something stupid like forgot to setup the kernel so the media dock would work which hasn't worked in any of the leaks yet not that they would tell us anything and its pure speculation on my part but honestly it makes sense since most everything else in DK28 ran pretty decent with the exception of not having a working media dock.
[Epic 4G General] xjman:
quadrant scores for the cm prebeta
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Your serious? with the CPU score that high, is that with the ARM Neon doing the floating point calculations? what does linpack look like?
[Epic 4G General] xjman:
Yes I'm serious. It is done with the dk28 kernel.

If I had to guess the difference is how light the cyanogenmod is vs stock.