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[Vibrant General] TheSneakerWhore:
BS to the "not stable" roms.

run stock jk2/jk6/jl4 etc. and see what 2.2 really has in stock form--NEVER a FC or issue. You want 2.2? FLASH IT.
[Vibrant General] mindaika:
"The upcoming days" is simply business speak for "eventually, but I really have no idea when. It might be literally a couple days, or it could be months."

File under "I know a guy..."
[Vibrant General] mindaika:
FTFY

I flashed custom ROMS the second they were available, however this is not an acceptable solution for a business. "DIY" is not end-user support.
[Vibrant General] presence06:
Call that number, I'm sure they won't tell you anymore than T-Mobile support will.
[Vibrant General] kmfisher:
None of these are stable. If they were stable, Samsung would have released them. All of them have failed Samsung's and T-Mobile's internal testing for one reason or another. Yet, they are put into ROMS with little or no testing. Not to mention the ROMS don't actually fix things. They rely on fixes from Samsung engineers in order to improve.

When you read issues about ROMS where MMS doesn't work, or volume buttons don't work, that is a big issue. That is not stable. I respect the ROM community. They do a great service for phone users itching for the latest and greatest. From a business perspective however they cannot be used. Business users can't have major features of phones not working. They can't be forced to have to reenter their data.

When a 2.2 upgrade passes Samsung and T-Mobile internal testing, then it will be released and will be supported. That's when I will upgrade, and that's why I want an official upgrade.
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
I beg to differ but everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
This guy its actually correct.

When your in a business that you have to use your phone alot, I wouldn't be messing with it and he's correct about devs relying on samsung for all, of this. The froyo leak gave all the devs a chance to start on froyo.
[Vibrant General] gallagherm1993:
I myself do not feel like reentering data or reinstalling apps every 3 days. the rom community is great. and it worked fine for my G1 when cyanogen came out with a rom every month or two. but there are several new roms every week. each with a minor, but still existant issue. I love roms. and if i had another phone, I'd use one for roms and the other for stable, official releases.
[Vibrant General] pavvy:
1quickturbosix ("Cool Story Bro") -- you do realize he was responding to a question posed directly above his post(?)
[Vibrant General] pavvy:
s15274n -- a little odd to read this, as half of the big lead post in your (awesome) "Tips & Tricks" sticky thread involves general phone tips that have nothing to do with rooting or ROMs! (Of course, the other half is all about those topics...)

I also don't root or flash ROMs (for my own reasons), and while naturally those subjects are the emphasis here, I've found XDA to be an excellent site for discussion/troubleshooting on other aspects of the phone.

P.S. For what it's worth, I'm personally fine to wait until whenever the official update comes along; I'm not in the "counting the days" camp (if I were jonesing for 2.2, then sure, I may try flashing). I've actually been quite pleased w/Samsung support in general, slow pace of Froyo notwithstanding.
[Vibrant General] JWhipple:
I beg to differ. There are MANY ROMs out there that are PERFECTLY stable. In fact, I'd venture to say that the one I am on right now is probably the MOST stable I have run on this phone - yes - better than STOCK.

I understand where you are coming from though. Some folks don't want to risk voiding their warranty, and I CAN TOTALLY respect that.
[Vibrant General] chichu_9:
My 2 Cents...

Guys, I do not understand the point of this thread or the discussion this has steered into. Why cant we just move along. The OP had some inputs he wanted to provide (Though there is nothing new in what Tmobile/Samsung has said in the past). As for the OP or anyone else who uses the phone for any purpose. The choice is yours to decide if you want install a custom rom or not, there is no one forcing anyone to load them on to the phone.

If you do happen to decide to install a custom rom and are stuck in the process, feel free to reach out to the devs or post a request in Q&A or bug report thread and someone will help you.

XDA is for everyone as long as you do not abuse the forums.

Back to Flashing Custom Roms....
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
What rom would that be?
[Vibrant General] JWhipple:
I'm using the 2nd release of Ginger Clone R2 w/ Voodoo 5.1
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
I'm running the same one but theres a second version?

What's changed in it?
[Vibrant General] oka1:
I agree with this statement. +1

The fact is the present roms out there are stable.... unless you are doing something wrong.

I met with a manager of TMobile this morning and he knows nothing (pretty normal) My phone is so stable and because of this forum I finally got the phone near perfect.

I could care less about Samsung/ Tmobile releases they mean nothing to me.

What I care about is a phone with a flexible format and hardware setup and like it or not there is no other phone that is as good as this one is as of today
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
Hey there are about a million active users on this forum. Not all of them are for vibrants.

There are roughly 3 million and, more phones out there.

You people aren't the only, people using the phone...

The rest of the world that doesn't root IS waiting for the froyo update k?
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
I'm still on Nero Beta 2 w/ voodoo kernel, and yes, it's perfectly stable. The only issues are (1) Own phone number doesn't show--totally harmless and doesn't affect anything, and (2) External SD is read-only--not a big deal for me since I use an external sd card adapter for the rare times I need to load content.

If you're really holding off because you think an official release will be "more stable," I'd say your assumption is off. It's not as if the official will be any better than what is already out right now. And considering the experience with the JK6 OTA update, you might be safer just upgrading to Froyo right now.

I used to be in your boat--not wanting to try any "cooked" unofficial ROMs-- but I've changed my tune after first-hand experience.

Right now I just want the official because that starts the clock on source code drop.
[Vibrant General] Zylograth:
not to be an jerk but maybe you would be better off with an iPhone or a Blackberry. Or even one of the new Windows Phones. IMO Android, as an open OS that runs on multiple platforms, is designed for a more technical user than the "smartphones" I previously mentioned.

This is a developer site, where software is developed by the users. Don't come here *****ing about how you want an "official" release. Take that **** over to the T-Mobile or Samsung forums.

That being said JL5 is pretty damn solid. My only complaint is the lack of stock Android keyboard and the MMS issue which has always been an issue with T-Mobile and their lazy MMS servers unwilling to serve any device that does not match their specs.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
The custom ROMs aren't stable. And in some cases they actually rip out functionality that is needed on the phone (i.e. ThinkFree Office, Swype, etc.). There's too many hoops to get some of them to function decently. They also rely on lag fixes/hacks and things of that nature, and are based off of unsupported leak ROMs that may have sleeper bugs that pop up and bite you in the ass at any time.

That's all small stuff, though.

The BIGGEST issue I have with the Custom ROMs is the way they make you go on a BiMonthly Deathmarch because everytime another ROM is leaked they basically drop support for one ROM and move on to the next best thing.

It means that once you start flashing ROMs, you basically required to be constantly flashing ROMs on your phone to keep it functioning well because the bugs in the older ROMs eventually lose attention while the dev/themer/modder focuses on the next release. This also significantly raise the chances of something screwing up on your phone (soft brick, etc.). Most of them have terrible battery life compared to Stock ROMs, as well (gratz on your fictional 40 hours of battery life, though, probably never used the phone anyways).

Plus, 90% of them are way too overthemed for my liking. Some of them can induce seizures.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
Android designed for a tech. user? Who are you to tell people that they have to be technical to buy a Android phone, i bought a android phone because its served me better than my iphone, or my blackberry, and hell no i'm not going to a windows phone after i bought a damn zune from them.

This is NOT a Developer website, its a website where developers put out their apps/roms etc. for normal users to use. I'm not here *****ing that i want an official release infact, im on a Ginger Clone rom right now. I'm talking about the other million(s) using this phone. Half of them are scared to root, so flashing a custom ROM is out of the question.

and even more don't KNOW what root is.

If a user experiences bugs on their phone; well... let me give you my person example.

I did a OTA update and my phone was in a boot loop. I searched google asking the question, "samsung vibrant stuck in vibrant screen" and i came upon a forum, XDA.

I read around, figured out how to fix it, and became interested in all of this stuff, i was at XDA for a month before i even rooted.

If i posted my vibrant is stuck on a boot loop on tmobile or samsung support forum, they'd do nothing for me.

You stereotypes need to get this through your head;

THIS FORUM IS NOT JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ROOT AND FLASH NEW ROMS.

good day.
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Honestly, wtf are you on? I'm on a Nero build and it's perfectly stable for me. Everything works except for (1) phone number doesn't show, and (2) external sd is read-only (and apparently the newest version fixes both these issues). It has fewer problems than the official JI6 did. I've been running this thing for a while, and it's stable. No FC's, no download issues, no BT issues, no Market issues, no GPS issues. Not sure what you really want at this point. Have you tried flashing the latest Nero or Ginger Clone? If not, how can you say it's not stable?

Do you really think that the official T-Mo release is going to be some holy grail of software perfection? Laf. It's going to have its own issues, weighted down with soul-sucking bloatware.

And why do you keep coming here, talking crap when you have no desire to use the phone? What's the point, to convince us that our experiences are delusional? Seriously, go get your Droid X and enjoy it.
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
The debate (sadly) is not if this forum is for, or not for, just those who want to root and flash... But please don't complain about the single best feature of an android phone AND criticize the work and effort of tremendously talented people on here.

Also, if you wanted to whine about an ota update, please use one of the other daily threads created on the subject.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
Custom ROMS use the OFFICIAL or LEAKED version which, Samsung, or some other company depending on your phone, made.

Custom ROMS have MANY issues, you just don't notice it.

GPS issue, yours may work but others don't even if you have the same ROM.

MMS issue, yours may work, but others don't even if you have the same ROM.

Not to ruin the fun, but the world doesn't run on a handful of people's phone who have everything working. There are others with the problems, and they are expecting a OFFICIAL rom to fix it.

Me, i'm running Ginger Clone until theres a Official update, and i'll see if i like it.
[Vibrant General] Zylograth:
Caps AND large letters, wow.

This site IS for users who are interested in modifying their phone. Users who want to wait for an official release should do so at the carrier forums.
[Vibrant General] Master™:
1.) What does that have to do with anything?

2.) That is a HARDWARE issue if you can't get a lock.. Look it up in the general.

3.) People complain about this, but don't care to send a log of what is happening even after being asked for it.

N8ter: "The custom ROMs aren't stable"

Not trying to be a jerk to either of you, but really?!
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
People can't seem to get it through their head if I make it normal.

No its not just for them. Please read the post.above or something...

@master

its the thing being discussed please read.

my gps is fine, it doesn't work on some roms but it works perfectly on stock also on your rom axura

Sending logs won't help anything... I've sent logs to you on other problems and you responded by saying I don't have this problem its your phone...
[Vibrant General] Master™:
I haven't received any logs from you, or I don't remember. Unless you were the one complaining about a game not working?
[Vibrant General] PSP_Hacker:
You're the idiot, and you're an asshole. kmfisher needs something stable for his $500 phone because he can't have stupid **** interfering with his job. The fact that he used the word "debug" in his post shows that he's not an idiot. ffs, it sucks that your phone has a good possibility of having kernel panics/random failure when you really desire to have Adobe Flash or JIT compilation (massive Java performance speedup) or whatever else is included in Froyo.
[Vibrant General] gallagherm1993:
no disrespect to the rom community at all. in fact, its what held me over on my old G1 for so long. the fact of the matter is, root or not, a top of the line device that isnt even 6 months old should be fully supported.

look at the evo, it was among the first to get froyo, and it launched before the vibrant if i remember correctly. even mid-range and last generation phones are seeing froyo and some low end models will see gingerbread. that being said, i'm not going to whine because i think i'm entitled to updates on an old device. that's crazy. i just want what was promised, and what can easily be delivered. i honestly think they should double time on releasing gingerbread, to make up for it.
[Vibrant General] gallagherm1993:
I'm fully aware that there are multiple ways of updating a rom, thank you very much.
[Vibrant General] hellcatrydr:
Deleted... It's Christmas time.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
1. It means that most bugs in the Leaked ROMs (or Official Roms) are inhereted by the Custom ROMs, and added on top of the Custom ROM-specific bugs. Not all bugs are obvious and most Custom ROM "Developers" simply aren't good enough to fix all the bugs, especially without the source code and with so many bugs being in proprietary components of the ROM (the most common "fix" is simply to just rip the component out of the ROM, whether you found it a potentially useful feature or not).

2. Then why do so many people feel the need to give WorksForMe™ responses?

3. They'd probably send it in if they didn't have to donate to get the fix ASAP, or something. Some people don't know how to log these things, anyways. They just know how to follow tutorials, and when things don't work right it's an issue for them.

The bigger issue is why the ROM developer didn't use his break and QA something as retardedly trivial as MMS capability, however.

Yes, really. Giving excuses and asking for more help about issues in them doesn't mean they are stable. Stability includes robustness as well as correct operation. When something is broken, the ROM pretty much is broken... Especially when it's a core OS functionality like MMS, GPS, Laggy Performance, SD Card access, etc.

And like I said in my post, some of us use our phones for business. We have better things to do than flash a new, upgraded ROM every 1-3 weeks to get fixes. BiannualForcedDeathMarch™ is NOT fun.

That's why I'm not fiddling with the Custom ROMs. At least Samsung and T-Mobile make sure **** doesn't regress at a rapid pace when they release updates.

The only reason people are pissed was because Samsung said the 2.2 update was coming soon before the phones were launched and lots of us purchased the phone expecting an update sooner than it's been so far (and in the case of T-Mobile customers, if you had an HD2 already, there weren't any other good phones to get, anyways...).

I develop and fix software for a liviing. I have better things to do than spend my free time doing the same on my phone.
[Vibrant General] Master™:
2.) Then it works for them. I said if it won't work for you on any ROM, or any fix.. Then you have the hardware issue.

3.) Who has to donate to get fixes ASAP? If no one sends anything, it won't ever be fixed.
[Vibrant General] gallagherm1993:
guys, i'm sorry for all this.

I just wanted to point out what samsung told me, along with the fact that these leaks are getting closer and closer together, and the fact that the epic gets the update on the 26th. i'm sorry for starting a flame war, i was just pointing out my thoughts.

on the bright side, i didnt post in the dev section :rolleyes:
[Vibrant General] Master™:
You shouldn't have to be sorry :)

Your thoughts are exactly mine about how the leaks are getting closer & closer..
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Right, because the official update, JI6, fixed the GPS issue for everyone. Hell, it was perfect, right? Is that the argument, that the Froyo ROMs out right now have "issues" or aren't "stable" and therefore we should... what? Wait for the official release on the assumption that it will have fixed everything? Sorry, but I think that's a terrible assumption at this point. What on earth would lead you to believe that the official Froyo will be magically perfect? Go check out the other XDA forums. EVERY ROM whether official or unofficial or custom has issues for some users.

Honestly, some of the complaints I read are just ridiculous. MMS doesn't work? Try HANDCENT or reduce your camera resolution to 3.2mp. GPS doesn't work properly? It probably didn't work for you on 2.1 either, so how is that worse? Your phone number doesn't show up in the About Phone description? Honestly, wtf? It doesn't affect anything!

It's amazing that people will dismiss an entire ROM as unusable because a few things are not perfect or require workarounds. If they want to sit content on stock JI6, fine, but don't come in here *****ing about how the Vibrant sucks and custom Froyos suck blahblahblah. The custom Froyos out right now are perfectly usable daily drivers, and waiting for some mythically perfect official release will only add to the disappointment when it actually drops.
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Go to the Nexus S forum. What are they talking about? Blurry MMS.

And the devs here are the ones who fixed things like laggy performance with things like mounting in ext4.

Seriously though, I don't know what you expect. Go to any forum here on XDA. Or any carrier's or manufacturer's forum. No ROM is absolutely perfect for every single user of a device. If you are seeking some holy grail of smartphone perfection sine qua non, you are not going to find it.
[Vibrant General] ScooterG:
I use other ROMS. i take the risk. I use my phone for daily business use and personal use. I use a stable, fast, and responsive phone that woks the way it is expected to work. ROMS are great and it doesn't matter if I'm in any kind of school or not. The ROMS are stable because I research them before I install them. There are a lot of versions and flavors. Nobody expects you to test and debug them all...but if you do, kudos to supporting a great open source community. You say the technical 2.2.1 (will it be 2.2.1 or 2.2?) will be stable...please send me your lottery numbers. We are all patiently waiting for something, but please don't send it to my phone! :)
[Vibrant General] egzthunder1:
I am closing this thread down because apparently, most of you have an issue with the OP simply stating his point of view and see it as a "green light" for a flame war.

Thread closed.
[Off-topic] Tooleman694:
About 3 months ago a friend of mine asked me to join a biggest loser group on Facebook. I needed to lose about 30lbs so I joined up.

The entry fee was due during the middle of October, a couple weeks after the contest started. The due day came I didn't pay and I figured they dropped me. So I stopped giving my weekly updates.

Well this week the contest ended, and I got a nasty message that I still owed the entry fee and 2 months worth of fees for not reporting my weight. They wanted to pay the winner and they were short my entry fee.

I sent a message back that ill pay my part, but since its a week before Christmas im short on cash and it will have to wait till Friday. Well that wasn't good enough, they needed it that day. I told them sorry I couldn't.

So instead of just dropping me and taking me out of the equation. They just dug into their own pockets to pay the winner my part. And they are still continuing to hound me about the money.

Was it too much for me to ask to pay that Friday. It wasn't my choice they paid the winner my part.

If I was running this thing, and I had someone who didn't pay by the due date. I would have removed him from the equation and ended it right there. Not try to collect a bunch of money a couple months later.
[Off-topic] Purple Drama Llama:
Okay, I am the Drama Llama and all so this is my thing ;).

I'm going through something similar, except its eBay fees and its a lot more money lol... But anyway, If you weren't paying anymore, why didn't you just tell them you were gonna drop out :confused::D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[Off-topic] Tooleman694:
Figured they had a brain and would figure it out..

Guy didnt pay fee and isnt reporting weight.. obviously he is not in the contest..
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Actually with corporations it's much different.

He stopped paying us, but lets keep him in so at the end we can slam him with a huge fee and send our friends at the collection agency to his house.
[Off-topic] Purple Drama Llama:
Yea, what he said! :D
[Off-topic] avgjoegeek:
Nobody on the intarwebs has a brain or knows how to use one correctly while online.

But the dood should have posted on the FB stating he was dropping out of the contest to go back to eating Ho-ho's and have been done with it.
[Off-topic] mxcoldhit:
Yea, I'm going to have to agree with the general consensus. When it comes to money, more specifically, being paid money, it is advantageous to just assume that you are still in the program that way the "organization" can still get paid and claim ignorance.

Sent from my shoe, I mean....Epic shoe... I mean Samsung Epic! http://mobilehighway.blogspot.com/
[Off-topic] androidcues:
wow is all i can say. as an attorney, thats absolute bull****!!!!!!

some people really become so embroiled in facebook, it takes over their whole life. has anyone seen Idiocracy?

if you didnt sign anything -- and a facebook post will never hold up in court -- then my friend, you just walk away. no harm. i hope you learned your lesson for getting involved in such a soapy facebookish thing in the first place. I mean --I could very well be 1000 pounds and lie and post weekly updates about "feeling so good, so thin so sexy my pants fit me now!" and collect the winners money all while hiding behind facebook and drinking bacon grease and sucking crisco through a coffee stirrer straw all the while.

i wouldnt worry about those douchebags but i understand they are probably your friends... so thats where facebook really gets irritating.

now... ask yourself this question -- are these your true friends? Would your true friends betray you like this? I mean facebook?! because this is in facebook you did not betray anyone... you betrayed yourself by agreeing to be part of such a joke, but thats OK, i betray myself everyday lol. Its one thing to go to an eating disorder group and get involved in a group effort, but facebook... come on!

friends dont do that to friends. Besides... guess what the fat ass "loser" is doing with his/her winnings? 80% sure its going right into cheese, chips, bacon grease and crisco.
[Off-topic] sakai4eva:
Thank God we have an expert!

Lesson to be learned here; delete your Facebook accounts.