yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G2 and Desire Z General] koekeloer:
No it's not rooted but I still have my S-OFF if i must believe HBOOT.

So with my S-OFF i should have the opportunity to use fastboot and flash the recovery or data or system. i dont need root for that because its nandunlocked.

But it still says 'permission denied'
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
You still need root to flash ClockworkMod.

And you need the ENG-HBOOT for fastboot to work (or so I've read)
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Nope, Not yet :(

Yes, Yes I will :p It might even deserve a pic ;) :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] koekeloer:
I extracted rom.zip from the stock RUU and put it on my SDCARD as PC10IMG.zip and loaded it through HBOOT. It told me it succesfully updated my phone.

Now i checked my system info, it says:

Build: 1.34.405.5

So somehow i managed to downgrade, trying to reroot again.

I'll keep you posted
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

If that works I LOVE YOU :p

(jk ;) But you get the idea :D)
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
I told you to try that.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
I hadn't got round to it :rolleyes: :D

I'd only tried moddin the RUU and flashing through recovery.... :p

But I'll love you too if thats what you're wanting ;):D:p
[G2 and Desire Z General] tbalden:
I never needed sOff, so tho happy to hear that, im still indifferent without sOff... it wont be usable with sOn, amirite?

--- sent from htc z using tapatalk pro
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
YAAAY! Can you upload the PC10IMG.zip for me, Macs can't use the RUU

Whaaa?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
I tried it with SON....

I don't love none of you :p

Ima try it with a goldcard now though... Just incase :D

@Dan

I would but my connection is crappy plus if you have S-ON like I do it won't work anyway lol :D But like I said I'll try and if it works Ill upload :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
So he had S-OFF? He didn't say that...
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
he did a while back i think.... :D

Anti climax aint it :p

EDIT: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10113947&postcount=72 :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Go look back in the thread!

It might be an Anti-Anti-Climax.
[G2 and Desire Z General] koekeloer:
I managed to get temp root, after applying the last step (step 5)

/data/local/tmp/root

sync

i get /data/local/tmp/root: /data/local/tmp/busybox: permission denied blah blah

so i'm still figuring that out
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Imagine being S-OFF and getting out hopes up...
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Just trying with Gold card now :D

It had better work!!!!!! :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
How do goldcards work?

If they change the CID, it should work, that is what gfree does.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
They bypass the checking of something... They might change the CID but i've only every heard a simple explanation like that ;)

I'll google it :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Im going to cry.... :(

:p

Update Fail! message again... I was so excited ;):D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
IT SHOULD WORK!!!!

Grr.

Damn HTC.

Well, either we downgrade, or we wait for a real hacker.

Which could be ages since no one has said anything about looking at it!
[G2 and Desire Z General] koekeloer:
adb shell chmod 0755 /data/local/tmp/* again, did the trick. Somehow it didn't work the first time.

I managed to install the clockwork recovery. Trying to install CM6.1 now!
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
So we've learned that being S-OFF cures everything.

Can we perhaps run a basic rooted Android environment from the SD card which has root and go from there?
[G2 and Desire Z General] koekeloer:
I really don't think that's possible, a goldcard need to work i guess. But i don't really know the solution..

S-OFF is a go, so if you're on 1.72 and you are S-OFF just put the PC10IMG.ZIP from the stock 1.34 RUU on the SD card, and put Desire Z in HBOOT (vol down + power)

I used: RUU_Vision_HTC_WWE_1.34.405.5_Radio_12.28b.60.140e _26.03.02.26_M

PC10IMG.ZIP

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7MZ8CHXZ
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Cheers for the .zip, but now we need a way to trick the phone into installing it.

Could we use the old system with the new everything else? Meaning we can use rage then flash the HBOOT ourselves.

Since we could get a version too high error, this would prevent it?
[G2 and Desire Z General] koekeloer:
I only used the zip, followed the RAGE guide and that did the trick on S-OFF, so indeed we now have to find a way to put an S-ON in S-OFF, downgrade and root it again. That's the quickest i guess
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Like I said earlier though, we cant edit the zip without losing HTC/Googles signing code, other wise a simplish way which could work would be to update the text file in it to be a newer version ;) :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
But if we could S-OFF the new 1.72 update, we wouldn't need to downgrade.

That is why we want to downgrade so much, so we don't need to find another exploit.
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Does the PC10IMG.zip have a signature on it? I thought it was just .img files, and if all of them were HTC images, we'd win.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
I think so, Normal Windows extractor wouldn't unzip it saying it was corrupt unlike 7zip so I'm guessing there is some sort of verification :D

Otherwise we could flash custom roms with a stock recovery :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
+1

Extracting the .zip

Has .imgs in it, dunno about signature, my Stuffit Expander thinks it'll take 1000 hours to extract XD

I'm extracting OK. I'll edit in a minute.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
(Edited the post above btw too :P)
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
I noticed, but I don't have enough space to extract the damn thing... Gimme a few more minutes while I delete crap.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
lol :D Is your PC Not slow having less than 2Gig free mem :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] tbalden:
I seriously doubt that you could flash a forgery img, it would deny the meaning of all the security On fuss.

We will need an external tool or an exploit if htc did the right thing with their rom protection security. :(

--- sent from htc z using tapatalk pro
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Contents of the zip;

android-info.txt (attached)

boot.img

dzdata.img

hboot_7230_Vision_HEP_0.85.0005_101011.nb0 (attached but renamed to .zip so XDA would accept it)

radio.img

rcdata.img

recovery.img

splash1.nb0

splash2.nb0

system.img

tp_atmel224_20aa.img

tp_atmelc12_20aa.img

userdata.img

I'll upload anything you like. Except system.img.

No signing here by the looks of things, although I wonder what the tp_ files are...
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
I'm pretty sure it has been zipped specially :p

Edit: Also.. When we do get root.. anyone wanna work on that I/O speed increase thing with me lol ;) :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Impossible! Zips can't be signed like that! I think...

Can they?
[G2 and Desire Z General] guhl99:
Reading all the posts here i think i should clarify some things.

The only known way to change the phone to radio S-OFF is to change the information in partition 7 which is what the program called gfree (and it's embedded wpthis.ko) does.

gfree needs to get past 2 security barriers (removing the write protection of the emmc chip and removing a filter from the kernel that prevents writes to addresses below 128MB)

- gfree only works for radio versions up to 26.03.02.xx because in higher versions HTC patched the access that allowed us to power cycle the emmc and thereby drop it's write protection.

The removal of the write protection of the emmc is also needed to gain permanent root or to install the engineering hboot.

-> So to use gfree/wpthis.ko you have to downgrade the radio.

Downgrading via PC10IMG.zip to a lower general version is prevented by hboot. To change this one has to edit the version information in partition 17 (which can be done using a program called misc_version or manually with dd and a hex-editor) but this requires temporary root access.

The PC10IMG.zip itself can not be modified as it is signed and hboot will not install anything that does not pass a signature check.

So if you have a regular hboot and a radio version higher than 26.03.02.xx and a system version that prevents temporary rooting (version 1.72) by using rage and it's derivatives (superoneclick, z4root, visionary) you can not downgrade.

And if you can not downgrade you can not use gfree and therefore can not get S-OFF.

As far as i know from the code analysis of hboot and radio a goldcard does not work anymore. There is some code for a smartcard but this is nothing you will have.

So we need to find a new exploit to gain local root access. I am working on some things but nothing in near sight at the moment.
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Hmm. Ruin all my hopes of downgrading then ;)

Good luck with the exploit, I'd ask what it is, but they don't work like that, do they? :rolleyes:

So we'd need;

Temp-root,

Misc edit,

Downgrade,

then old root method?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Yep :p Theyre are different encoding methods ;) lol :D (You can change how it encodes in 7zip :p)

@guhl... Thanks for the info and for clearing that up a bit ;) :D

Also I've got a new idea @Dan basicly it involves ringing HTC Saying your phone is faulty... They send a replacment... You dont update and voila :p :D ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
I'm sure HTC will have upgraded all the phones by now bro.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Bombshell :(

Although when my hero went for repair (Bricked it :P) htc sent it back with 1.5 when 2.1 had been out on it for a while... so you never no ;) :p .D

Max. (Desire z)
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Well you send yours back then, I'm holding onto mine.

You do know HTC turn on the phones and inspect it for problems?

Then charge you if there is nothing wrong?

(Apply the RUU again then unplug it. You'll brick it and HTC might accept it.)
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
No idea.. although I think I'll ill keep it =P

Thanks for the brick tip though ;)

Max. (Desire z)
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
You're welcome.

Isn't there an Android app permission that can brick the phone?

Like it actually says

"This app can brick your phone"?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Haha, that'd be great :p

And one which uses the pemission 'this app will give you root access'

lool =P

Max. (Desire z)
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Just say please to Google ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Huh? ;):p

Max. (Desire z)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Latoc:
I can testify that putting the rom.zip from the ruu on the sdcard and applying from hboot with previous gfree S-OFF works just fine.

I'm so glad I had permarooted with gfree BEFORE I flashed the new ruu...

Back to business :)

Edit: don't forget to rename the rom.zip into PC10IMG.zip before flashing...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Ramsfan_Jim:
OK, 3 days on. I tried that - seemed fine at first (while at home over Xmas - on wifi). Then came to leave the house - no data connection at all, meaning virtually NOTHING works on the phone (navigation, twitter, internet, facebook, weather etc..).

So I've tried flashing to a different ROM (Cyanogen), but of course that loses all data & HTC sense etc. (which I like).

So I'm now restoring back to where I was 3 days ago, but with the same problem - what am I losing by not being able to install the 1.72 update? And is there a way around it?:confused:
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Bump.... Any progress or more ideas anyone, I'm still rootless??

:p:D

Max. (Desire z)
[G2 and Desire Z General] walid898:
I make the update to 1.72 by mistake and no way for root or downgrade.

I hope a solution come soon :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
+1 As soon as I get root I'm going to start work on the I/O thingy :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
I/O thingy?

@Anyone looking for an exploit - hows it going?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=859419

^^That thingy :p

Gives this benchmark on a regular desire @1ghz.. adds 750+ to IO speed.. imagine our Z's at 1.9Ghz and this :p :D ;)

Ive made no progress so far lol ;) Anyboady else??
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
It looks like, contrary to my expectations, that only applies with radio S-ON. Because a couple of users have now reported that they have successfully downgraded from 1.72 through having radio S-OFF via gfree. So it looks like radio S-OFF bypasses the "version is older" check.

Good luck, we could do with a breakthrough on this. Is scotty still involved too ?
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Oh, the SD card killer.

They said A2SD would kill the card fast,

Then swap would kill it faster,

Now think of the card CONSTANTLY being written and read from - DEAD.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
It'd be cool to get a benchmark though :rolleyes::D

Highest scoring phone.... EVER! :p:D
[G2 and Desire Z General] dazbradbury:
Do we know if anyone is working on this?

Having foolishly updated, lost root, and hence lost my overclock, the phone is pretty much unusable it's so laggy!

Would love a glimmer of hope...
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
At the minimum guhl99 is working on this (he's said so). Hopefully others are too (more resources = increased chances/speed of success).
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Me and Dan are trying all the obvious ways :D...... And failing but eh... :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Did you scream at it and put it on YouTube?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Ah yes.. I will do that now :D :p

Does anybody know if the GPU on this phone has been limited via software like the Galaxy S had??

I'm starting to think this is as I'm getting the same scores with sound on as I do when it's off meaning it could be pushed higher perhaps?? Also I seem to be only getting 57's :D (Neocore)
[G2 and Desire Z General] ddup1:
I just get my desire Z, i leave apple world for a more free world but i'm in 1.72 rom too so i can't root.

I'm not a developper but if there is a way to help root be possible for Z i'll do.
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Either find an exploit, or offer your phone to test other developers exploits, which could destroy your phone.

Or you could wait.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ddup1:
I i was able to find exploit i'll do but i don't know where to search ^^.
[G2 and Desire Z General] maus010:
Question:

Gfree will not work on radio's higher than 26.03.xx

I've extracted both rom.zip files from the 1.34 RUU and the 1.72 RUU.

Than I copied the radio.img file from the 1.34 ROM and put it in the 1.72 ROM.

So if I flash this ROM, the only thing that will change is the radio.img file.

Is this correct?? And will Gfree work after applying the old radio??

It's just a wild thought, but hey! It's worth the try.
[G2 and Desire Z General] g4rb4g3:
Won't work since you broke the signator of the rom.zip (aka pc10img.zip).
[G2 and Desire Z General] maus010:
Even if I put it on a Goldcard??
[G2 and Desire Z General] tbalden:
Quoting ghul, gold card doesnt work anymore with the 1.72

--- sent from htc z using tapatalk pro
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Wouldn't work anyway, gfree needs root to work, and root needs rageagainstthecage and rage doesn't work.

I'm thinking Paul is going to look into this. Or hoping anyway.

Sent from my Desire Z. Nice.
[G2 and Desire Z General] rbensch:
If you have S-OFF by gfree, you are safe. You can downgrade to 1.34 without problems via PC10IMG.zip (without Goldcard etc.).

I have tested it succesfully 2 times now.
[G2 and Desire Z General] erickBR:
hello people, are okay? I just purchased a desire ze received an update on 12/26/2010 and have the version 1.72 of the software. I can apply root in this? What is the procedure so I do not brik my phone. Thanks

PS.: Im don't speak english, i'm portuguese and i used google tradutor for this, sorry for same errors.
[G2 and Desire Z General] zkid2010:
Não tente raiz 1,72 atualizar agora. Essa atualização ainda não é suportado e tijolo mais provável o seu telefone.

Do not try to root 1.72 update now. This update is not supported yet and will most likely brick your phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gnurf:
As others, I applied the OTA, without realizing I´d loose root. Had other issues, which I thought would be solved by the update and didn´t even think about having rooted.

Probably stupid, but has anyone tried a really old RUU? Like this: 1.22.405.1

The pic when opening the RUU, atleast states its for testing purposes only, so perhaps there is a chance? I doubt it though.

I almost did it myself, but then I chickened out, since I don´t have the knowledge to fix it if something went sour.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Ill give it a go ater but that might just work... Then I'll need to update :D:p
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Unless HTC have signed it differently, there isn't much hope.

Who could we pester to try and get us root.

I've already irritated Paul, with no reply...

:(
[G2 and Desire Z General] maus010:
Tried it...........doesn't work!!

Error: main version old
[G2 and Desire Z General] netfreak25:
i had S-OFF by using gfree before updating to 1.72 and i really wanted root acces to the filesystem again, so (after a lot of reading) i decided to try the downgrade and it worked for me

1) just copied it to the sd card

2) bootet into the hboot by "adb reboot bootloader"

*thanks for the PC10IMG image*

*i am really glad i am back to 1.34*
[G2 and Desire Z General] snoopdobb:
I can tell you that it will NOT brick your phone, but it won't work. I upgraded to 1.72 last week (not knowing it was a bad idea :S), and I tried several times yesterday to root my phone (Desire Z) with the rage/gfree method. Following the wiki guide, everything goes smoothly up until you reset the terminal emulator. I do get the force close on the first execution of term. emulator, but when I rerun it, I don't get a root shell. Just a black screen that sits there forever. The phone stays responsive, however (i.e., i can push home, run other apps, etc), but terminal emulator stays "broken" until I reboot. I am still using my phone with no problems, though no root either :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Is it possible to use the rage exploit through an ADB Shell?

Perhaps it would work in recovery mode, if we could get the shell working.
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
It wouldn't work any differently through and adb shell, because that's just another way to run commands on the phone. I presume it is patched in the running kernel. But then of course you can't substitute another kernel because you haven't got root.
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Yes, if you have full radio S-OFF (via gfree) then you can downgrade from 1.72 back to 1.34 or whatever. But if you don't, then you are stuck at 1.72 for now (until there is progress on root/S-OFF).
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
How would we reset the terminal though an adb shell and in recovery mode?

It seems like the next thing to try.
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
No, sorry, try it if you like but it won't work. It won't let you downgrade to an older version than what you are running unless you have full radio S-OFF via gfree. So you can't even flash that ROM if you're currently stuck at 1.72 without S-OFF.
[G2 and Desire Z General] tbalden:
Yeah, the meaning of the sOn is to prevent any unofficial upgrade or any kind of downgrade. So if someone steals it, cannot really use it if its phone code locked. Except if flashing it with industrial techniques.:) aint u happy that we have such a tough security blessed device in our handz? :p

--- sent from htc z using tapatalk pro
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jrbourque:
is this trouble only with desire z? I have to exchange g2 and don't want to get something I can't root

Sent from my iphone Eating HTC Vision
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
PG 18 GET!

On-topic...

No. I hate HTC for it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Yes, this OTA/ROM is only for Desire Z ROMs now.

Hopefully your exchanged G2 will come with the existing (rootable) ROM for that.

*But* I would find it very suprising if the extra security in this ROM doesn't find its way to the G2 before long.
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
I hope it does. Then Scotty2 can look at it. And we be all :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Scotty2 already helped figure out what the problem with the Vodafone ROM was (when it couldn't be rooted), and as far as I know he didn't have one them. I imagine he is still in the loop on this one. Fingers crossed the G2ROOT folks can work some magic soon ! :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
And soon. I am F**I<1*g desperate.

Also bored enough to say that.
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Have you tried dropping in on IRC #G2ROOT to see what's happening, and to see if you can help them with trying out stuff ? Maybe they've got all the help you need, I don't know, but you could perhaps see what's being discussed there.
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
I'm quite useless, and would literally get killed if my phone died...
[G2 and Desire Z General] wrapper:
I did the update, lost root. Eagerly awaiting a fix =)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Hemi-Cuda:
well i'm on Bell Canada and was wondering why i wasn't receiving the option for the 1.72 OTA update, but apparently it's a good thing i didn't. are there any other Bell Desire Z users here that know when we might be receiving the 1.72 update? i'm hoping the timing works out that we get it right after a new root method is worked out
[XPERIA X8 General] nizzle1:
i have a problem when installing keyboards, i have installed the HTC IME keyboard on my phone but the standard keyboard always show's up, yes i have enabled the HTC keyboard but still the standard keyboard shows

i have 2.1 clean root with JiT
[XPERIA X8 General] Edinhox:
hold your finger at the writing box and then should a window appear that says input settings press that and you will chose you keyboard
[XPERIA X8 General] bugmenever:
Thank you :) Helped my out when I thought I had bricked my phone.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Burning_aces:
Ok so before I format everything and install leeroids new rom, 1.3, when it comes out I was wondering how I backup all my apps and the data for each one, and also after that will I need to reapply things like the premade themes.zip from dnd theme's and apps forum and the kernel etc?

The main thing is how do I back up all apps, whats on the sd card and on the phone so I can get it all back on a new rom..?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mariosraptor:
You can backup apps+data with titanium backup. You cannot appky themes if the framework has changed from versio to version. Will probably end up with a boot loop.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Burning_aces:
Okay sweet, what do I do in titanium backup to back everything up?

So out of the following what stuff wont work on leeroids 1.3 do you know?

[KERNEL]Buzz OC/UV 1.51Ghz CFS+BFQ+SmartAss+TUN+EXT4+.27 ACE 1.1.4 [15/12/2010]

[FIX] DSP Manager working on sense rom. +Possible fix for bad speaker

[BootAni] Updated BIOS Bootscreen for Desire HD

[MOD/THEME/TUT] Battery Indicator Theme
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mariosraptor:
on titanium you press menu->batch-> backup all user apps. i guess you can use the 3 first, but it highly recommended that you do a nandroid backup first!!!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Burning_aces:
Alright cool, i'll do both when leeroids new rom comes out. How do I put the backups back onto the phone..? and do the ones on the sd card reinstall to the sd card or?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mariosraptor:
the same way, menu->batch-> restore all user apps+data. yes all apps install back to where they were retreived from. ext to ext, phone to phone sd to sd:D
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Burning_aces:
Much appreciated mate.