yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G2 and Desire Z General] projectkennedy:
Downgrading deletes everything right?

Is there a way to do a backup (unrooted obviously) where I can save everything I've got (settings, files etc) on my 1.72 rom, so that I downgrade, lose everything, get s-off, upgrade again, root, and get my settings and files back to before I downgraded?

Thanks!
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Yes, you will lose everything when you downgrade. What have you got that you can't easily setup again ? You can sync your calendar, contacts etc with Google and get them back by re-syncing. I am sure there are utilities that can backup and restore text messages, but the one that I use (SMS backup) doesn't do a restore, which is fine with me.

Sent from my HTC Desire Z
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mnemoch:
Worked me!

+1 thanks for all the work that went into this

Superuser force closes when I open it but still works to provide access in the background for MarketEnabler so I'm happy...

Lost all my data but now I get to play Angry Birds over again!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mnemoch:
There are backup programs on the Market that will do this.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mnemoch:
Anyone with Data problems after doing this?

I can't seem to connect to edge and not sure if I have ever been able to after doing this procedure yesterday (was so busy reinstalling all my apps etc. that I don't remember trying) But anyways, I just get connection failed, even with the correct apn that worked yesterday...any ideas?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mnemoch:
Well data working after a hard reset, BUT my apn has dissapeared ... I set it up after reset and before re-rooting and got data so went ahead and set back up my phone, all apps etc. Just happened to go back to apn page and there is a weird apn (not selected so no green dot) and mine is missing...but data still works. Guess I won't mes with it but pretty weird I thought. Maybe to do with Market Enabler?
[G2 and Desire Z General] tbalden:
Yep, I had something similar with cm7 installation. I deleted those added mine, reboot and its fine since that.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
@steviewevie are you using 1.72 ?? or are you still on 1.34 like me ??

have you found any real advantages ??
[G2 and Desire Z General] CTCNetwork:
Hi,

More to the point do we have a conclusive step-by-step guide now that we have, seemingly, a working process?

Des. . . ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] MrEzzzkiel:
I'd like a step by step guide... Actually, I'd LOVE a step by step guide...

Got my DZ today! 1.34 stock rom, rooted and s-off... Can't wait to get it updated! :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mnemoch:
Start at Post 1 of this thread if you are on 1.72 and need to downgrade; or start on post 329 (read from 301 if you want some history) if you are S-OFF on 1.34 already...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Ezzzkiel:
Awesome! Thank you! :-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mnemoch:
Thanks for the thanks (but please click the thanks button :P)
[G2 and Desire Z General] CTCNetwork:
Hi,

There ain't one, or we regular users do not have permission to use it.

Maybe the admins need to check the post thanks hack install and permissions.. :)

Des. . . ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] crazyC:
Are you viewing the forum in its legacy format? It only shows on the new layout I think.
[G2 and Desire Z General] CTCNetwork:
Hi,

Yes, Thanked and back to "Classic"!

Des. . . ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] speculatrix:
finally! I've done it! wooo! How to downgrade to get S-OFF.

Now to try out virtuous ROM. I need my DZ back up and running by Monday afternoon 'cos it's actually not my phone, it's one from work, and I need to have it useful again!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] ReyTech:
@wileykat

can u tell me how to do this? as i tried for the new desire file to extract but gives me an error!

wbr

ReyTech.
[G2 and Desire Z General] goister:
Hi,

I'm still on a Desire Z with 1.34.707.5 ROM and I've previously rooted with the old UBERROOT guide at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=857390 and http://xdaforums.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2.

I've just noticed that I have an OTA update, though I'm not sure if it's 1.72. The update notification is as follows:

Update: Improve system performance and Camera feature enhancements 43.46 MB

How do I go about updating to the newest 1.72 ROM, and have it rooted? I've read through half the posts in this thread but didn't find any conclusive step by step instructions for noobs like me.

Thanks!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Athrun88:
Hey, if you have root and s-off, why are you looking at stock roms? Wouldn't it make more sense to flash a custom rom? The closest thing that I can find to a stock rom which is based off the latest firmware is from Virtuous (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=837042) which also has HTC Sense which would result in better camera performance (from what i have read).

Regards.

EDIT: Added crossreference link, spelling
[G2 and Desire Z General] boo85:
My DZ is running 1.82 firmware as i upgraded by mistake.i have read through the downgrading method to root based on the link below. I have not perm root by DZ prior to this. have only been using temp root by visionary.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=905261

i have a couple of questions and was wondering if any of you can help me out :)

I am running a Singapore DZ and thus my infoCID is HTC_044, so i have to use goldcard to change the CID in order to use the firmware in that thread right? If somehow with alot alot of luck, i manage to get a stock Singapore DZ firmware v1.34 i dont need to use goldcard right?

Concerning warranty, goldcard will void that warranty right? and since i will be using the firmware supplied in the thread and i dont have a Singapore DZ firmware v1.34 at the moment, i will not be able to restore my firmware to the original stock singapore one if i need to send the phone in?

That brings me to the last question, therefore is that anyway to backup my 1.82 firmware for restoring it back to pre-rooting conditions for warranty if i use the downgrading method?

i hope you all can understand the concern i have. Basically i want to root my singapore DZ at firmware 1.82 via the downgrading method, but without the original singapore DZ firmware at 1.34 or 1.82 to restore to, my warranty is essentially gone if i proceed right? :(

Thanks!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Athrun88:
1. You need to root the device before you can do anything. This automatically voids the manufacturer's and/or carrier's warranty. I do not believe you can flash an older ROM over a newer version, otherwise, we wouldn't need a goldcard method to downgrade.

2. Assuming you get your firmware downgraded to 1.34 using the goldcard method, after you gain root access, you can perform a nandroid backup of the current rom that is on it. That way, if you run into any problems, you can boot back into recovery and flash the backup.

3. See response 2.

Good luck!
[G2 and Desire Z General] goister:
Well, I'm kind of a root noob, so I'm testing the waters first with a stock rom root so I can run apps that require a rooted phone(setcpu, etc). Perhaps later on I'll try a custom ROM, though there are so many I don't know where to start.

If the Virtuous ROM has HTC Sense, what's its advantage over stock ROM?
[G2 and Desire Z General] boo85:
Thanks for your reply! So it be safe to say that i cannot backup my current stock v1.84 firmware for restoring without rooting rite?

I would like double check this though. For the downgrading method, from the thread it seems i have to use goldcard only because my DZ's CID is not compatible with the supplied firmware v1.34 given in the thread. if my DZ's CID was compatible i would have been able to proceed without goldcard. Thats why Im curious if i got my hands on the original v1.34 firmware for singapore DZ i wont need goldcard right?

Another thing, correct me if im wrong, this is what i have assumed from reading around the forums:

Although rooting does voids the warranty, however there are methods to remove the root and restore the CID and S-off, restoring the device to stock conditions. Thus, in that case, one can still send in the device under warranty? however before you do so, you will need to restore to the original stock firmware that belongs to your device.​

So for my case if i proceed with the downgrade using the supplied v1.34 european firmware, would i be right to say i would have no way of restoring my device to singapore DZ stock firmware (no backup copies available) thus voiding my warranty in that sense?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Athrun88:
Virtuous ROM is the most basic version of the HTC Sense. In this case, it doesn't have any carrier bloatware and is the stock version of Sense with the added advantage of kernel customizablilty along with it being prerooted for you. So if you were able to downgrade, root, and flash your current ROM, you wouldn't have to re-root the new ROM.

Despite not having to perform a downgrade before, from my research, yes do you lose your current factory rom. I am not 100% sure if, during the downgrade process, you are able to do a NANDroid backup of your current rom THEN downgrade. I will have to check again for you.

The only way to get back to your stock factory rom back would be to flash a fresh copy. You will, however, lose root access i believe. So in that sense, you wouldn't really need your backup of 1.84 if you have a fresh copy as a backup on your computer.
[G2 and Desire Z General] boo85:
Really thanks for your help so far, appreciate it!

Thats the issue i guess. i dont have a fresh copy of the stock rom for my Singapore DZ as i nvr back it up before. Which is why im curious if can i save a copy of the my stock v1.84 before i downgrade. So that will serve as my backup copy of the stock factory rom which i can restore to if i need to send the device in.
[G2 and Desire Z General] goister:
So any bug fixes from the new 1.72 stock ROM will also be in the Virtuous ROM? I've seen people report better battery life compared to the old 1.34 ROM.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Athrun88:
It would have all the bug fixes from the past versions as well as whatever other bugs that were found. I am running it right now and it is working great. There's a link in my sig that will take you to the rom thread. Like I said, it is what HTC intended Sense to be without the bloatware from the carriers along with some tiny tweaks.

Have fun!
[G2 and Desire Z General] trzype:
Haven't tried it yet. First I'm trying to write it down step by step cause I don't want to brick my phone. So after downgrading i have 1.34 with perm root and S-OFF.

Next I'm executing RUU_Vision_HTC_WWE_1.72.405.2_R_Radio_12.28e.60.140f_26.04.02.17_M2_SF_release_163285_signed.exe

Now I'm back on 1.72 with S-OFF without root, so repeating psneuter procedure

$ adb push su /sdcard/su
$ adb push Superuser.apk /sdcard/Superuser.apk
$ adb push busybox /data/local/tmp/busybox
$ adb push root /data/local/tmp/root
$ adb shell chmod 0755 /data/local/tmp/*

then

adb push psneuter /data/local/tmp
adb push misc_version /data/local/tmp
adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/psneuter
adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/misc_version
adb shell /data/local/tmp/psneuter
adb shell

and finally

# /data/local/tmp/root

After that i have 1.72 with perm root and S-OFF. Is that correct or am I missing something?
[G2 and Desire Z General] guhl99:
That is correct, but as you do not need to downgrade your main version again you don't need misc_version.

So you can leave the to lines that i left in the quote away.

Have fun - Guhl
[G2 and Desire Z General] trzype:
Thanks mate
[G2 and Desire Z General] valve90210:
Step By Step for a newbie...???

At present my Desire Z is on the 1.34.405.5 software and is rooted using Visionary.

I'd like to update to newer software but don't want to lose root access as I want to continue running SetCPU as I've found it gives me much better battery life.

I've read about the Virtuous ROM which sounds great as I really like Sense etc and the built in overclock and SetCPU stuff sounds great too (one question, does it have the option of the homescreen rotating to landscape without the keyboard being open?)

However I'm rather confused about exactly what I need to do to get Virtuous installed etc.

I believe the steps are :

1) Use gfree to get S-off

2) install clockwork recovery

3) make a backup of my current ROM

4) backup my data

5) install virtuous ROM

Is that right? If not what else do I need to do?

Now, my next query is how exactly do I go about backing everything up? All my text messages, bookmarks, photos, contacts, calendars, apps etc etc?

Although I've not paid for any apps and I could just redownload those I have, is there and easier/quicker way of doing things?

Or as an alternative, is there a simple way of being able to just use the HTC official update but keep root so I can use SetCPU for good battery life?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Ashex1:
I'm running 1.83.415.2 ARA and superuser keeps force-closing on me.

I had root working just fine a couple months ago but I tried out Virtuous then switched back a few weeks ago.

I just followed this guide and got Superuser to work once for Titanium and now each time the prompt comes up and I accept it force-closes.
[G2 and Desire Z General] vsinha71:
am desperately trying to root my desire z. non of the methods works. anyhelp will be great help. have the newer desire z with 2.2.1.
[G2 and Desire Z General] acebugnl:
Same here, also have the 2.2.1 and really want to use Droid vnc. Hoping for a solution soon without having to downgrade.
[G2 and Desire Z General] projectkennedy:
Haha I'm waiting too :( I'm getting a bit antsy, I really want to root it, so might have to try and back everything up and just take the plunge
[G2 and Desire Z General] Asmodin:
Goldcard don't work same as rage and the other methods
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
It won't downgrade with an RUU?

Damn...
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
oh.. :(

Ah well... Ima still try :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Determination;

makes you fail just as bad as the other guy.

:rolleyes:

Surprisingly, I think he tried to root with the goldcard in.

"Goldcard didn't work like rage and other methods."

So we have hope Max dear boy.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Asmodin:
Goldcart rollback result is a message that your version is old.
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Ah.

So now we wait for Paul / Scotty2 / anyone else who can help.

Cyanogen perhaps? Does he hack phones? Or just make ROMs?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Asmodin:
I'm no dev but maybe there is a way to Chang the vision number of the ruu at 2.2.2 and do the rollback
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Unless goldcards remove the signature check in the .img (the one you can copy to the phone) then no. Or you can find HTCs signing key.

Pubic or Private or something. One of the two.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
When I try w/o a gold card I get a USB Error... Trying with goldcard now ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
USB error?

Surely not!
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
I forgot to run as admin :o :D

Goldcard would do it... But it looks like they updated the bootloader so at the end it will tell you it failed... But im going to keep trying :p ;) :D

Edit: Attempt 2... Nope

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11809598/XDA/Random%20****/ruufail.PNG

Looking round... On the Hero there were 3 Ruu's with the same names but all different sizes.. and for some people the smaller sized ones would give the same error as shown above and the larger one wouldn't.. So Ima look for another RUU :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
So we need to trick the installer really.

Can we customize these things like with the HD2?

Should we ask the HD2 users? That (if it worked) would be Desire Z pwnage.

RUU, rooted, S-OFF'd, custom ROM'd etc.

Hmmmm....

T-Mobile Pulse - quarter of the price. A billionth of the spec. Better than my DZ cos it has root but... :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
We will get there dan... Just hang in there buddy ;)

:p

But yes... Or... Manage to change the bootloader w/o root :confused:

Or better yet... A root method for 1.72 :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
But I want root.

Reeeeeaaaallllyy badly.

Like would kill for it.

EDIT = What if you extracted the rom.zip and flashed it through recovery?

Or the PC10img.zip thingy?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Can we even flash through recovery :confused:

:D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Yup.

Goto bootloader, recovery and press power and volume up.

Then use the volume buttons to move and power to select.

I don't know what we can flash though.

Also - doesn't a goldcard give us CID 1111111 ? (SuperCID like gfree does)

Shouldn't we be able to flash any RUU then? Even downgrade? (So says a DHD user - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=879525&page=2 Post 13)
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
I don't seem to be able to get into any kind of working recovery??

Although it doesn't look like we can flash the RUU.... Would the bootloader have been updated? ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Bootloader - Power + Volume Down

Wait for it to check SD card

Highlight RECOVERY

Press power.

Wait till you get the warning sign.

Power + Volume UP.

Done.

I don't understand the bootloader bit you're talking about.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Oh okay :D Did all that but the last bit...

Thanks ;)

edit: Ima try and play around with the RUU... I'll post my results :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Good luck.

Perhaps you'll save us, with your cheesey DZ!
[G2 and Desire Z General] keinengel:
As far as I know, the stock recovery only accepts update.zip files signed with Google's keys. Also, it needs a proper update script to function. You could try and use the fota update.zip, changing the updater-script in META-INF > com > google > android. But you'd still need to sign it and all we have are the testkeys...
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Why was this moved?

In development the developers are more likely to notice this and help us.

Speaking of which, who made / found the rageagainstthecage exploit?

Are they looking at this for us?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Answers in bold :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
The singing was good mate!

But you don't understand how much I want root. My dads Desire is beating me just now.

And we are competitive ;)

But do you know if rage was designed for the G2, DZ, DHD or MT4G?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
:eek: My dad has a Desire... Although he doesn't appreciate me trying to root it ;) :p

Im not sure.... Although Im going to guess and say DHD :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
He didn't want to root it at the start, then just rooted and flashed Alex ROM on it.

If the DHD guys made rage, we have hope, they have the same update and will want to root it.

If the MT4G guys made it, I'm shocked.

If the DZ guys made it, we have more hope, no need for a DHD thing to be ported.

If the G2 guys made it, we have no hope till they get a similar OTA.

You know which I prefer.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Haha ;)

Saame....

But really the simplest method might be to find a way to downgrade... :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
How did the RUU go?

I have a lis of things to possibly try...

:)

All with and without goldcard

Extract PC10IMG.zip from old RUU, place on SD card and boot into the bootloader, let it (hopefully) flash.

Rename as update.zip and flash through recovery.

See if we can force it to think there is a new OTA which is actually the old RUU (perhaps sniff HTCs OTA server to see how it works, then do what the PS3 users did - custom DNS)

Shout at it and upload to YouTube.

Hell, I'm out of ideas.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Haha ;) They all sound good... I'll try them all tomorow.. but also how about we extract the update.zip from old RUU and place in the new one... If that would work :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Like use the new update script with the old images?

It'd be easier to try to crack HTCs signing code and sign our own RUUs.

OR ASK THE DAMN HD2 OWNERS! Seriously, how did they do that?

EDIT - Asked HD2, warned Modaco, got indigestion.

ALSO - Nexus 1 users created rageagainstthecage by the look of things. Google.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheRomMistress:
Please see this post from one of the Senior Moderators as to what is acceptable to be posted in Development
[G2 and Desire Z General] koekeloer:
I still have S-OFF after the OTA, so i should have the option to install unsigned zip's from hboot? So i should have the option to install Virtuous v0.8.1 (based on 1.72) to obtain root again?

Or am i wrong?

VISION PVT SHIP S-OFF

HBOOT-0.85.0008

MICROP-0425

RADIO-26.04.02.17_M2

Kernel: 2.6.32.21

Build: 1.72.405.2
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Oh okay :) Thanks Miss :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
That's interesting. Looks like you still have S-OFF via gfree. So yes, you should be able to flash a new custom ROM.
[G2 and Desire Z General] koekeloer:
I'll look into it when i'm at home.

I'll post my findings
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
So RUUs cannot affect gfree's method of changing the radio config.

If only I had used it before......

:(

Sent from my Desire Z. Nice.
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Yeah, from the version number he's got a newer SHIP hboot, but it still says S-OFF, which presumably means if you used gfree for full radio S-OFF then you keep it. That's great for giving you the option to downgrade, but we still need to sort out rooting (and make sure gfree works on 1.72 for those who haven't yet got S-OFF).

I realise that doesn't help you yet :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
It will help me with one thing, gfree the thing as soon as we can.

AS SOON AS WE CAN.

Although I'm sure HTC are now looking for a way to edit the radio config through an RUU so this gets patched...

Why can't we just be open? We spent so much time on this, and once we get rage working (or a new exploit) the old wpthis.ko might not work.

So many issues.
[G2 and Desire Z General] koekeloer:
So what's the best step to take for me? Downgrade through the downgrade topic? (Witch require root i guess, don't have root though, can't get temp either)

Or flash old pc10img.zip?

Or are there any other options to try?
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Try as you might, it looks like anything simple might not work.

Although MacaronyMax is looking at a few random things I decided to post.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MacaronyMax:
Yes I am :p

I've just managed to extract the rom.zip from the ruu and will try and flash it through the stock recovery with a gold card, I'm expecting an error tbh so depending on what error that is I'm going to change some things around :D;)

Edit: Rigght.... I was expecting something more detailed than a Yellow

--Invalid Operation--

Can we even flash through this recovery? Seeing this was an official rom and it didn't work... Ah well.... I'm going to change the version number to the current latest and see if it decides to work then... If not a future version number ;)

Edit2: I can't change anything in the file with out extracting it, therfore I guessing it will remove hTc's signature code so I'll extract it and see what happens :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
I thought that rom.zip only contained the .imgs of system, boot, recovery etc.

It'd be interesting if fastboot flash worked on these images.

Doubt it.

What about the PC10IMG.zip?

Since the bootloader automatically looks for that on start-up (of the bootloader).
[G2 and Desire Z General] koekeloer:
Tried flashing clockworkmod through fastboot..

sending 'recovery' (4040 KB)... OKAY [ 0.702s]

writing 'recovery'... FAILED (remote: not allowed)

finished. total time: 0.704s

So, i think my S-OFF is not functioning properly

@MacaronyMax, got any further? :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
Did you root it yet?

S-OFF doesn't mean root.

It means r/w access to the phone. Use the su / Superuser.apk combo from http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=886999

Then try flashing ClockworkMod.

I'm sure Max will be posting IN MEGA HUGE CAPS if he gets it working.