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[TG01 General] gizmogeeker:
Hi Drupad,

Nice thread!! One thing I noticed was that disabling the start menu also gives 15-20mb free ram and it significantly improves battery life, disabling the sleep mode led and turning on wifi when not needed also helps!

P.S: After disabling windows start menu, I overided it with SPB Menu which is now my default Start Menu!
[TG01 General] olyloh6696:
Hmmmm... I wonder how the taskbar removal makes a big impact on the battery life! I can understand the start menu, basically all your icons in the start menu are cached into the ram, so removing it will consume less resources , more battery life etc etc. But how doesit work with the taskbar? Im using the stck taskbar on Mangosora's 6.5.3 build with spb shell + mobilesense.

Nice thread ;)
[TG01 General] olyloh6696:
Yes i did that too on ffboys 6.5 rom(spb menu for startmenu) unfortunately it does not work for 6.5.3

Drupad, im guessing when u use the phone now, pressing the start softkey freezez your device?

Use the reg tweak to make the start button disappear (like the HD Mini)

You can find it by searching on the forum,

'HD Mini Start Key disabler' (something like that)
[TG01 General] gizmogeeker:
Probably, the battery difference is due to the start menu alone and not the taskbar because he removed both.
[TG01 General] gizmogeeker:
That's weird, I've got winmo 6.5.5 and the start menu disable works for me...
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
Thanks!! I liked what I was experimenting and I thought more than 1 person analyzing what all these means, obviously made more sense ;)

Yeah even Oly suggested he had free RAM (15MB) on disabling start menu so am sure about RAM now. I did use Wifi most of the time as well as data connection when I used Opera 10 for browsing. Did not disconnect data connection because it reconnected immediately - reason being my exchange sync set to 'retrieve as item arrives'

My start menu is SPB Menu as well ;) Looks cooler, non-WinMo sort as well :D

Thanks Oly!

I don't know if taskbar has got much to do with battery, but I did see quite a few reg-entries i.e. magnification etc - do they relate to taskbar? By removing taskbar, do I essentially switch these flickers off? Do you think anything i.e. notifications etc are being cached in ram as well? (non-educated guess!):rolleyes:

I have attached the cab in first post - this is the one I used to get rid of 'start' button completely. Yes my phone did freeze for few seconds to upto a minute, but came back to normal as soon as my screen locked! But after this cab, no problem at all! I think you can definitely have SPB menu as start menu - as it has got everything you need! I have 6.5.3 miROM4 as well and I was able to do it and use it flawlessly. I will try to put some more screenshots

+1

+1 and then -1

I agree it has to be start menu but don't know if it's alone because Oly has disabled start menu for quite a few months now and he din't seem to notice this drastic change :s

If you guys see any changes by removing taskbar (if you are going to ;) ) then please post back, may be we could be improving our battery lives :D
[TG01 General] olyloh6696:
hi drupad! sorry i had a typo in my other post... i was meant to say i can sucessfully disable the start menu on 6.5.3/6.5.5 , but i cannot get it to open up the spb menu in the spb settings. there is no option for it... i will try and post screenshots soon! also i have been using this technique for months and having noticed a battery performance increase because i thought it was to do with the ROM i changed from ... i guess it does make a big difference! i will try and disable my task bar and report back! im not to sure if disabling the task bar stops your notifications caching in the RAM. perhaps someone else could help us out?
[TG01 General] olyloh6696:
hi drupad ! just reading through your first post again, the guy who created the cab is NRGZ28. he is one of the most respected members of XDA! he creates his energy rom series for like all htc devices and updates them all once a week!
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
Thanks a lot for that mate will update first post tonight when I reach home! I wish more users could test this and give feedback.

I might have just made this battery issue 'not so severe' any more with these observations!!

Another thing I just realized is I haven't restarted my phone at all - The last time I switched off my phone was when I completely ran out of battery during this 'experiment'!

My phone seems to have stopped freezing. Its 4th day now!!
[TG01 General] olyloh6696:
thats great! we can solve the problem with the freezing on wm! dont worry, more users will come soon!
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
updated! :)

Also, did the poll we talked about
[TG01 General] olyloh6696:
nice! thanks drupad ;)
[TG01 General] fxdjacentyfxd:
Hi.

I do not belive in miracles in electricty area but decided to sacrifice myself :) and test miROM4. I remove wm start by mirolg .cab "miROM_MMLauncher_Mod_Startmenu_Replacement.cab" and removed "Dark NInja Android xxxxxx". I did only "natural" test so far, by configuring SPB for my purposes

what took several minutes of time and battery has lost 20% :(. ( in my appinion quite normal for 1000mAh battery because of backlight was still on and few minutes of GPRS and Wi-Fi was done and this is what I observed on any ROM I tested so far).

Anyway, now I am charging battery to 100% and will do some more tests.

What annoy me after removing task bar is that I have not any information whether I have active GPRS or Wi-Fi connection and I have not any speed mechanism to disconnect ( what could be done very simply via notification bar). Have You got any idea what to with it ? Maybe SPB has any widget for it ?

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
Hi fxdjacentyfxd

I din't really look into monitoring speed of connections. I used widgets to mIake sure how much battery I have, if I am connected to wifi or not. When I was connected to data connection - I just checked if I am connected or not by using 'Connections' in the settings.

I am keeping my backlight at 30% now most of the time. I have seen even 10% makes it better, but my eyes don't really like that dark so I keep it 30%. May be that will help as well?

I have used it this way since - and also changed to miROM10 now, and still don't charge my battery at least before 30 hours of use! - which I find to be good battery life for daily smart phone use :)

Good luck and thanks for trying this, will wait for your feedback :D
[TG01 General] fxdjacentyfxd:
Some software are able to connect via GPRS automatically and disconnect too after exit ( Palringo ) but most of them not. So I would like to have such fast way to disconnect ( I did not check - battery is still charging in shutdown - but mentioned "Connections" have not ability to disconnect from GPRS ?. As I remember there are three fields Phone, BT and W-Fi. Wi-Fi shows connected or not and one can switch-off wi-fi . It is not the same as as disconnect but better this than nothing.

Phone only shows that whole GSM radio is on not GPRS connection.

Anyway, maybe You know any kind of software that allows to manage GPRS-Wi-Fi. It does not has to be in upper bar. It is enough I will put it on SPB window.

Yes in my oppinion ( I was dealing with other "small" devices like PNA and PDA ) backlight is factor thar can dramatically make battery live longer. No wonder , it requires a lot of energy.

I guess that You ensured very good conditions for Your experiemnts. I mean very good quality of GSM and Wi-Fi signal which may cause the transcievers on tg01 could work with low power. It is in my oppinion second main factor. In bad conditions GSM can "eats" even 1-2 W of power.

Do You want to say that with miROM10 You have the same good result as with miROM4 without removing task bar and wm menu ?

Recently I tested miROM11 ( as mirolg said there are only minor changes in comparison to miROM10 ) but I am rather disappointed. Not stable. Eats battery as any other ROM.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 General] fxdjacentyfxd:
Hi.

I decided to stop test. Having battery 100% charged I was only browsing internet via IE.

Result ( % means how much energy left in battery ):

1) Firt 15 minutes - 90%

2) Next 20 minutes - 80%

3) Next 10 minutes - 70%

5) Next 8 minutes - 60%

As You can see battery discharged to 60% during 53 minutes.

Well, I will return to my current Malezya rom but I will check Mangasora 6.5.x yet.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
I don't know of any software as such - but for my experiment I din't bother to disconnect GPRS as I had set my exchange email download 'as item arrives' so it anyways stays connected whole day for active sync!

I agree with backlight bit - it makes A LOT of difference with saving battery!

I have same good results with miROM10 as miROM4 - but not after doing nothing! I did the same as miROM4 i.e. remove wm menu and taskbar first thing! I think that works perfectly with saving more battery on any rom! May be miROM11 drains a lot of battery, but this could compensate for it!
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
So that's 53 minutes of browsing - 40% used. I am pretty sure if you restart, it will show you 70-80% left.

From my first post you can see I had 'IN TOTAL' of 137 minutes of browsing with other stuffs to it - so you were closing in I presume. But anyways thanks for trying! :)
[TG01 General] fxdjacentyfxd:
In this point I can only agree with You :) . It is well known effect I was one of writing about it on the forum. My fault :) I did not check it this time ( I am almost sure You are right because after connect tg01 to the charger very quickly I have .... 90% ) . You did not mention about it so I thougth You were able to browse 137 minutes without any restarts.

Well known solution to stop battery driver annoy this bad behaviour was to stop BAT1: device. I did it when I was testion WM6.1 clean ffboy ROM ( in my oppinion the best rom ). Unfortunately I do not remember whether after installing SPB shell or rather changing WM from 6.1 to any 6.5 version, this method does not work. System warns about device.exe error. It works ok further but always shutdown when battery goes down to 3.4 - 3.5V. which is 0% point for tg01.

P.S. It seems Mangasora system can be cheated too. I stopped ( restarted ) battery driver and I did not get any notification from system that battery is low only sudden shutdown :) ( at 3.1V ).

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 General] fxdjacentyfxd:
Hmm, is there any method to remove task bar from miROM10 ? Now I have Mangasora 6.5.x which is base of miROM10 but perhaps mirolg changed default taskbar to something other which can be removed via "Remove programs" like "Dark Ninja xxxx" in miROM4

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
Could you post this as a cab or something please? That way we could just install this cab and cheat further with battery ;)

Did removing the start menu not disable the taskbar? It's the default taskbar that Mangasora has in his ROM. I did removal of start menu first
[TG01 General] olyloh6696:
Hi guys

I went out last week to manchester for the day... this is my battery report.

- 11am 90% battery - sent about 5 sms

- 3pm 90% (phone still on standby)

- 3.30pm 80% used bluetooth filetransfers for about 20 minutes (screen off)

- 4.30pm 80%

-5.30pm browsed via wifi at starbucks for 1hr. used opera9.7 + youtube

- 6.30pm 50% sent 10 sms

-9.30pm phone on standby

- 10.30pm 40% sent 10-15 sms

-11.30pm 30% phone on standby

- 12.00am 0% sent about 10 sms. phone dies

- 12.30am reach home

Setttings

- backlight 25% (auto adjust)

- ffboys wm clean 6.1 + sense 2.1

- phone on gsm mode throughout day

^ these are actually really good results from the battery when using 6.1!! This was from first flash and battery only at 90%, it could be alot better than this as battery circuits are reseted after flash etc etc.

but since then i have changed rom to mirom7. i havent had time to test yet!
[TG01 General] fxdjacentyfxd:
Hehe. This matter should be checked yet by other tester. Maybe You will try ? It is enough to take Task Manager ( from FDCSoft ) , enter into "Devices", stop BAT1: device. You can start BAT1: again if You want - system should be cheated ( so "say" my tests ) - and it gives You opportunity to utilze any independent software to start from time to time to see what battery state is. Do not worry battery meter in task bar will be showing "rubish" when You click on it. It is "normal" when cheated.

If there will be real need to utlize such solution without working with task manager, I can try to write simple .exe that stop ( or stop and start again ) BAT1: device. Maybe any other person will create .cab with this.

As I know it was never doing it. Disabling start menu by for example mirolg .cab only disables start menu and frees RAM. Original task bar stays.

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 General] mirolg:
sorry your thread i have overlooked!

now! very interesting thread.

miROM4 "mistery" Taskbar removing with removing DarkNinjaTaskbar.

This causes: miROM4 has nov5 as Basis ROM. Nov5 has the "Aluke" Taskbar modified and as OEM Package in cooked. I have deleted this Package and have the DarkNinjaTaskar as cab cooked. If you now remove the DarkNinjaTaskar, you remove outres.192.dll, shellres.192.dll and ... (contains ONLY in this cab) The effect is, as already described (tnx drupad2drupad). This is only in miROM4.

I other ROMs when you installing a new Taskbar (as cab) you need normaly before, to install sdkcert.cab. if you install only the taskbar (no matter typ), you have the same effect! this you can test on miROM10/11 or 12. the good on the test with miROM10/11 or 12 is you loose not the startMenu and after remove this taskbar, you have the old back
[TG01 General] fxdjacentyfxd:
I do not quite catch You:

1) miROM10-12 has taskbar as .cab file that can be deleted via "Remove programs" like in miROM4 ?

2) if answer on 1) is "yes" what we get after deinstallation ? Not empty bar ( with clock only ) like in miROM4 but original WM taskbar ?

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 General] mirolg:
no miROM10-12 has taskbar as in cooked Package, miROM4 has no Package

(is ONLY miROM4 and is no standard!).

to install a NEW Taskbar on WM Roms you must:

1. install SDKCERT.cab

2. install a Taskbar.cab

= effect a new Taskbar

if you install only Taskbar.cab

=effect your Taskbar is empty, but StartMenu works

when you remove the taskbar.cab= you have your "old" taskbar

you can test without risiko
[TG01 General] fxdjacentyfxd:
Now it is clear, thanks. One question yet. What happens with old task bar when new exists ? I guess internal procedure of installation of new task bar is that new registry entries point to new task bar so old task bar software is completely deactivated ? Saying deactivated I mean not only not visible but completely removed from operational memory and in other words does not "eat" any CPU time ?

Regards

fxdjacentyfxd
[TG01 General] mirolg:
in few words:

taskbar contains a few wm system files. wm system rename and save the "old orginal" files. This renamed files are CPU inactiv. When you remove the "New" Taskbar, the wm sys bring the "old" back.
[TG01 General] iphysal:
A total waste of time and effort, i did as you suggested, mirom4, removed the taskbar and start menu, the battery is horrible and even worst than before, just 5 minutes use of browsing in opera 10, takes me from 100% to 50% then within minutes warning of phone dying....

a mystry to me how yours even worked...with so many big claims...
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
Thanks for testing it and leaving a feedback. It will be very helpful :)

What version of MS did you use, by the way?
[TG01 General] iphysal:
As i mentioned, I'm using mirom4 as per the link you provided...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=755646

which is 6.5.5
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
Sorry wasn't clearer before, by MS - I meant Mobile Shell not the ROM.
[TG01 General] g3nesisEXIA:
I am using miROM1 and have start menu disabled only. But it was more than enough to prolong my TG01s battery life to a day or more :cool:

The taskbar disabled adds a bit more, but i prefer seeing the signal and etc. :) That said this works and thanks for sharing ;)
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
Thank YOU for sharing the result with us! It's exciting as more and more users share positive results - however I do notice that although it prolongs the battery life - it doesn't exactly have 'same' battery life. We have all noticed different battery lives, but more than original, which is quite promising and a step forward :D
[TG01 General] dontchawishyourgfwashot:
drupad2drupad,thank you. it worked for me as well. thank you for share this beautiful trick. now my phone battery on for more than 1 day :cool:
[TG01 General] Scougar:
Sounds awesome. My battery life sucks.. so having this would be awesome. ALSO >>> This would be MASSIVELY beneficial to run before an Android install right? As windows keeps running in the background?

Just one thing, how do I revert the changes should I want the start menu and taskbar back?

(also, is it 'just' the start menu removal cab file I need to run or something else as well?)
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
Hi Scougar!

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you as I wasn't visiting the forum so often!

This has nothing to do with Android install - Yes it saves battery so if Android was to hogg-up the battery then this can elongate the life. Not tested though.

The only way to revert back is either try installing a 'custom'' taskbar again and if that fails, you might have to hard-reset the phone!

Start menu removal should help - but ideally removing taskbar helped me more. Just make sure you have followed and understood the first post very well and read the other user-experiences too! I haven't had massive feedbacks so am not very sure how it went with other users!

Good luck! And do share what you find - good or bad! :)
[TG01 General] Scougar:
Thanks for getting back to me :-)

Well since I ran the last build of Android, and it reverted to saving all my texts to the SIM instead of to the phone, I found myself forced to do a hard reset today... so I thought screw it.. I'll try some different winmo ROM's for the first time :D Since I'll be doing a few trying out sessions I'll try and give this a go as I have nothing to lose as such.

I'll let you know how I get on! (not immediately, but I will do it).
[TG01 General] drupad2drupad:
Try it with mirom4 or my own DruROM3/ DruROM4 (link in my sig) - shows better battery!
[TG01 General] olyloh6696:
Android is NOT running when WinMO is running. HaRET.exe close the winmo processe to run Android Linux.

BTW - miROM14 is online now - you may want to give it a go, i am :)
[TG01 General] Scougar:
Ah ok.. so won't have any impact for Android. Shame, but makes sense :-)

I am trying miROM14 now :-) Will put my thoughts in the relevant thread rather than here :-) Soon as I've finished messing around with ROM's I'll give my feedback for your tweak :-)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mayo1973:
Anyone know when froyo will be back online. This is a sad situation.I emailed samsung and they said they have no ETA.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
there are 2~3 topics with Froyo JL2 for Bell...

answers are there
[Nexus S General] hah2110:
All my mms images are blurry. Any resolution?
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
Check a few pages back there is a long thread about the issue,

Sammy/Tmo know about the issue and are working on getting it resolved....

There is a hacky way to fix it if you wanna try it

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=876290&page=14
[XPERIA X10 General] arj154:
Sony Ericsson haven't exactly been timely with there updates to the x10 neither have they been efficient with the ROM's they've made so personally I think I'll switch to HTC but I was wondering whether anyone will stick with Sony Ericsson for there next phone?

There hardware is great, I'll give them that but I feel its ruined by bad software that looks pretty but isn't efficient enough for daily use. I think if they can really get up to date and prove that they can keep up to date with other manufacturers then maybe I'll consider getting something like the supposed Zeus phone but as the Xperia series stands at the minute, I don't think I'll get another Sony Ericsson.
[XPERIA X10 General] Jmercy09:
Ha! I highly doubt my next phone will be an android device all together.
[XPERIA X10 General] amerhere:
I suggest every1 who don't like SE try another phone 2 realise how beautiful x10 really is.....

Big picture big porn... think abt it... hahaha joking.....
[XPERIA X10 General] augie7107:
Absolutely not for reasons which are too time consuming to explain in this post.
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
Maybe. I guess it depends on a few things. My primary consideration is if their next phone will have AWS (and not on contract). My second consideration(s) would be how they treat the X10 now (yay for MT!).

Pretty much it breaks down like this:

• If the X10 stays at 2.1 then there's a ~5% chance that I'll go with another SE

• If they update the X10 to 2.2 then their odds rise to ~65%

• If they update the X10 to 2.3 then their odds are a good 99.9%

• Unlocked bootloader? Probably won't happen but if it does then it's a solid 100%
[XPERIA X10 General] NightSidew1nd3r:
Se may have been slow to update to 2.1. But look at how pathetic samsung is at updates
[XPERIA X10 General] TechGuru_x10:
Sony E , yes. Android No
[XPERIA X10 General] Flo95:
I think I'll stay with Sony Ericsson.

But I don't know if I'll change my opinion in the future, when an other brand releases an awesome phone.

But at the moment I say: Sony Ericsson 4-ever
[XPERIA X10 General] shaunbu:
Very much doubt it, only went se as I was impressed with the camera on my last se phone (k850i), but the x10 camera is very disappointing! Also the call volume almost makes the phone unusable! (was also low on the k850i)
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
x10 is fail in my eyes..

Never have i seen a more clever money making scheme.
[XPERIA X10 General] hamed1297:
it depends on the fait of My X10.

2.2 or 2.3 will refresh everything....+volume in call
[XPERIA X10 General] TimMun:
My next phone will probably be a SE one.

Only had SE's over the last couple of years.

I doubt if it will be android again though.. I also still have the SE Aino wich is Symbian based and of course it has less capabilities then android but it is so much more stable!
[XPERIA X10 General] rkonert:
Mine is a work phone, but I do get final say. I would stick with SE IF they get their act together with the updates.

In call volume, I really don't have a problem with it, my hearing isn't great and I don't have a complaint about it.
[XPERIA X10 General] nan_a:
No I don't think my next phone will be a SE, because off lack of the support and slow reaction to the new versions of native Android OS. They maid a wonderful accessory (Mw600)to replice the missing radio, but this too don't work in full functions like display names of the caller & song titles.

In conclusion SE products have a grate design and do less than u expect.
[XPERIA X10 General] DaveHTC200:
I think that my next phone will be from SE. Although the updates are slow, I've never had any problems.

Sent from my X10i
[XPERIA X10 General] -PiLoT-:
This thread is most likely gonna cause a lot of arguing on the forum so im closing
[G Tablet General] LittleBirds:
ViewSonic has updated the GTablet web site located at viewsonic.com/gtablet-----

The "Flash Support" section now contains a link to download the 10.1.120.1 APK file, the App Store description is updated, and there is also a link to a "Favorites" page that includes links to important apps including MP3 players, eBook readers, document readers, system utilities and IM apps.

The source code should be posted by this Friday when the new OTA update is scheduled for release.
[G Tablet General] ThunderPuppy:
Plus a link to this Forum!!!

ViewSonic has a link to this forum on this page as well.
[General Topics] morpheum.:
device-neutral app store in the works at Opera, starting with an alpha release of theWholesale Applications Community (WAC) 1.0 Specification for android.

Read more at Opera Labs: labs.opera.com/news/2010/12/22/