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[Vibrant General] N8ter:
If the phone works as advertised and the performance is good, there is little reason to mod the device, other than "because I can" or "I just feel like doing it."

A modded up Vibrant is only approaching the performance of the Droid X, but you had to go through hoops to get there, except they just had to turn their phones on and they don't need to stalk web forums to see when a new revision is out - they just wait for an OTA.

Hardware lock was the least of most people's worries, unless they got bricked by an OTA update.

The reason the Manufacturers go through hoops to lock down bootloaders is because people on forums like these have no issues telling others to lie to Carriers and Manufacturers to get new phones when they brick their phones flashing ROMs, etc. linked here.

There is valid reason for the locked bootloaders.

If we weren't all human, perhaps those reasons wouldn't exist.
[Vibrant General] kennyp987:
If you base a phones value or performance quadrant or linpack you should cook the apks to give tou 4000 every time.....

Those benchmarks are pointless

Vibrant + Nero V3 + SuperIO Kernel
[Vibrant General] Robert8457:
I was just going to make a thread about how I like my galaxy s
[Vibrant General] darkside79:
Nope just think making a topic bashing Samsung is pointless. No one cares that you hate Samsung.but I can tell you that Samsung is a million times better then Motorola.heard of the motorola cliq? Now that's something to b!tch about.worse device in history.went through 5 of em in like 5 months. Now that's a piece of crap. Anyways who cares!

And PS. Apple Pie don't count!
[Vibrant General] RobBull69:
I completely understand your frustration because Samsung absolutely sucks when it comes to customer service and product support. I have a TV and mp3 player made by them and have had to deal with the terrible CS on those devices. The problem is that over 9 million people have been roped into buying Galaxy S devices and quite a few of them came from lower end phone so they believe it's be best thing since sliced bread. The last two people I know that got the Vibrant and Fascinate came from a low end Nokia and Moto Razr, respectively. Having real web instead of WAP and apps is a whole new world to them. We are a passionate, but small minority in the grand scheme of things. If I mention things like JIT optimization to most GS owners I know, I just get blank stares:p I like my phone and appreciate the time and effort the devs here spend on improving the user experience. I happened to fall into a free MT4G, so I'm going to give it a shot against the Vibrant (loser's going on eBay). I just wish that Samsung made a phone that you can mod if you choose to, not one that you have to mod to get the user experience and software you deserve out of the box. As a long suffering Cubs fan, I've hear "wait 'til next year" too many times in my lifetime and "froyo's coming soon" is essentially the same thing. It could happen, but I'm not going to put money on it.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
For every cliq there is a behold and omnia hd.

3 vibrants in 2 weeks before I got one worth keeping.
[Vibrant General] JeremyNT:
I definitely appreciate the OP's feelings on this issue. I upgraded from a Vibrant to a Nexus One as my daily driver and have been incredibly happy with it. I'm holding onto the Vibrant for now hoping that the froyo update will magically fix all its issue, but god only knows when/if that's even going to come.

It's possible that the partnership with Google will lead the Nexus S to not suck in the same manner, but I'm honestly not even considering that device at the moment due to how the Vibrant has played out. The truth of it is this: with most manufacturers, I give them the benefit of the doubt. I assume the product will mostly work, and if there's a software problem I assume it will be fixed. By giving Samsung the benefit of the doubt with the Vibrant, I got burned, and I kept the device until after the return period, waiting for an update that never came.

I won't say that I'll never buy another Samsung phone again - never is a long time after all - but I'm certainly going to think twice about it. And I'm certainly never believing any excuses from Samsung about fixing things after release, ever again. Either it works perfectly out of the box, or it goes back to the store.
[Vibrant General] draven806:
Dude who cares about Cyanogens progress? Have you not checked out the awesomeness that is Team Whiskey or Eugene? IMHO Team Whiskey blows Cyanogen out of the water. I came from a mytouch 3g and was worried when I got my vibrant about the quality of roms and devs that would be available. Well let me just say after flashing my first Team Whiskey rom, ill never go back to anything else. Might I suggest Obsidian v 4.2 (froyo) or Nero v3 (gingerbread based but not actual gingerbread). Both are awesome especially couples with voodoo or oclf
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
I could see the OP being upset about the slowness of the releasing a FINAL 2.2 update (they've graced us with enough good leaks for me to not care). The rest is nonsense that mostly has nothing to do with Samsung.

If you wanted even more devs releasing even more unfinished junk for your phone you most certainly should've gotten an HTC phone so you can flash your heart out every day on junk that almost never reaches a final status.
[Vibrant General] khulsey:
i'm done with samsung (phones) myself. i'm also done with t-mobile. samsung make a great phone (galaxy s) and then dumps an already outdated 2.1 on the phone when it could easily put 2.2 on it out of the box. fail samsung. the only way the vibrant sees 2.3 is from the devs here.

t-mobile can go to hell. out of all the carriers i like them the best but they are the laziest freakin cell provider i've seen. verizon eats up all the good phones, sprints line up is getting better, and att has the iphone. say what you will but a jailbroken iphone 4 is a nice thing to have. tmobile needs a flagship phone and the mytouch isn't it. the vibrant can't be it cuz every other carrier has their own galaxy s. they could've had two if they would get off their ass and claim the nexus one and nexus s.

the only thing i hate about android is in 3 months your new hot phone is past it's prime with bigger and bader phones coming out and corporate develpers and carriers holding back updates. i'm strongly considering heading to verizon when my contract is up and grabbing what ever the newest droid is or the iphone 5 (jailbroken ofcourse) flame all you want but atleast apple doesn't hold back updates and let carriers load abunch of bloat to the iphone.
[Vibrant General] hydrogenman:
I just ditched the Vibrant for the MT4G

Things I love about the MT4G: No lag....ever. HSPA+..

Things I miss about my Vibrant: Screen..both size and color...surprisingly the thing I miss the MOST is capacitive buttons. It's almost enough to make me switch single handedly.

But then I picked up the Vibrant again and it felt even slower after using the MT4G for 2 days.

Every phone has pros and cons....but at least the GPS works on my new phone all the time :)
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Obviously, this thread is about the stock phone not a random rom with BiannualForcedDeathMarch™.
[Vibrant General] Dan_Brutal:
Don't like the vibrant? Then sell it and go buy a G2. Problem solved.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Switching carriers when I get a new phone, otherwise I'd probably have already done that.
[Vibrant General] draven806:
Yea but he also complains about CyanogenMod's progress as if it were the end all be all in custom roms. I was merely pointing out that if he's worried about that, don't be cause there are alot of other very worthy devs out there for our phones than CyanogenMod. Thanks for your concern though about what I have to say. Didn't realize I was so important :-)
[Vibrant General] qreffie:
Y'know, I was a little angry because when I first got the phone on the first of Sept. Everyone was saying that there would be an update at the end of... and it never came. I was just sitting on 2.1 rooted and waiting. Then I started getting into the community hardcore and flashing different roms, which was fun and I jumped on Eugene's Froyo bandwagon as soon as he got the button mapping fixed on the flashable JPM kernel and had a blast. Yeah, I still wanted the update, and I still do, but the community made the phone fun again for me.

From my sig you can see that I did get a Nexus S. I guess because I got no updates and felt so unsupported that I wanted to get a phone that I knew would receive timely updates and that anything the hardware is capable of running will come to it through official channels even if I go the way of modding. I haven't gotten rid of my Vibrant though, and don't plan on getting rid of it either and this is 100% due to the community behind it. I want to keep pushing the phone as far as it can go even If I'm not daily driving it anymore.
[Vibrant General] Ms_Vibrant:
you are missing the point about the bootloader and the user's vibrant failing to go to download mode.. obviously the poster would prefer a phone that doesn't have any problems going to download mode which implies that he's into rooting .. we all know the purpose of the locked bootloader, but a little FYI for you that even droid X owners hack or root their phones.. if the said phone performs that well like you protrayed it to be , then there shouldn't be a need for rooting it, right?

based on your logic, that the reason the vibrant owners root their phones (custom roms) was to make the phone 'perform better'.. but apparently invalidates your logic as droid x owners hack their phones too..i guess it doesnt perform that well too.. hmm?. agree??

and how certain are you that the droid x perform that much better? have you owned one? ive actually seen one owner when i was on a train one time and this girl in front of me was on her droid x sending some emails and i could see how the phone lagged a little bit.. even the EVO lags as well, and other android devices .. we can safely say that those in 2.2 firmware have an advantage over devices on 2.1..

GPS? umm the 2.1 update has made the vibrant better, even the gps is better.. IMO, but not perfect like tom-tom-ish perfect ( coz it's not a GPS device).. but what smartphone has perfect GPS? well , enlighten me as i have not owned other android devices except the for the vibrant.. i've played with the iphone 3GS maps, umm it was not perfect... not sure about the evo, droids , g2 etc if their GPS is THAT perfect especially on navigation..

people root their phones simply because they want to, not really because it is necessary and if it was a completely bad phone , then it wouldn't have been out in the market for people to buy/use in the first place.. im sure a regular vibrant owner wouldn't bother rooting his/her vibrant so it can be better, but im sure that the owner would just use the phone for what it is and not complain over umm whatever.. lol

you happened to get a faulthy vibrant ? exchange it, mind you this case is common on other devices and platforms as well.. let's not be ignorant..
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
I don't root but there's a bug in the Android regarding the pattern lock. If you need to use your Google Credentials to unlock the phone sometimes it doens't allow the phone to authenticate with the Google Servers.

That was the only time the Hardware Lock became an issue for me.

So no, rooting isn't the only reason you'd want to NOT have a hardware locked phone.

The GPS locks faster, it's still not accurate. I rather take a while to lock then not have an accurate GPS.

The Vibrant users rooted their phones mostly to lag fix it. If fixing the lag isn't making it perform better, than I dunno what to tell you. What sort of logic you're using.

Droid X never had the performance issues the Vibrant had (evident in it's I/O scores in Quadrant compared to any stock Galaxy S without a lag fix regardless of Eclair or FroYo). Also, Moto App Platform is simply better written than TouchWiz. They root it becasue they can, and because they want to. There are benefits to rooting, but rooting isn't necessary to have a good user experience on a Droid X.

Rooting is almost compulsory to having a good user experience on a Vibrant, unless you found a lag fix that works without rooting the device?

I've played with the Droid X's extensively. I did quite a bit of Carrier shopping before I got this phone. The only reason I went with T-Mobile was because they actually get reception here, but now I much rather just use Vonage and get a better phone on another carrier than keep this one - I'll be doing that next month :P

I exchanged it twice. It's not ignorance.

Hardware locks were rampant, and the GPS in these devices are faulty whether you want to believe it or not.

They're going to be rolling out "GPS fixes" for these phones until they stop supporting them (which is soon, from the looks of it).
[Vibrant General] boodies:
"never buying from Samsung again"

yeah right. that's not what the stats say lol
[Vibrant General] dsuycott:
I know man...I love this phone, I flash way too much but I love it. This site is rockin some killer mods, it is beyond me why anyone would not do this. Over on the android and me site the forums are just full of samsung haters and I just kills me that people get so worked up about a phone update. Flashing your phone is as easy and safe as upgrading computer os's...you just need to take a little more precaution and have some patience. Imho, samsung should just do what they are doing...make a great phone with a basic Os and let the third party devs do their thing...I Love My Vibrant and eugenes GingerClone...I doubt samsung/tmobiles bloat Os's will make it any better.

Vibrant

GingerR2_JL1
[Vibrant General] domtru:
So I get the frustration about the update. I bought the phone the day it came out so Ive been waiting longer than most. Barring that fact and the front facing camera, the phone is a pretty entertaining phone. Gotta loooooooove pulling out the media hub when comparing to other phones....the gpu is amazing!

Do you know why people mod their phones? Simple, because we want what we dont have. That and lets face it folks, we are technology geeks. That is the bases for most peoples frustration.

So samsung sells 10 million devices and only one million are experiencing the frustrations to the degree we are. (not gps issue) being upset about something comes with the territory. I bet if you look in the forums on the other phones you will find someone complaining about something their phone does not do. That may prove my point.

With that said, complain on! I'm not being sarcastic rather I see the ingenuity that comes from not being satisfied!! When not happy people create answers. I happen to benefit from those answers by making changes to my phone. Long live android and open source!
[Vibrant General] oka1:
LMAO

This posting shows that people haven't really used the other phones Hmmmm Let me post the phones i have had, rooted and modded:

3- Blackberry's Nice phones but has a narrow use.... great for business only IMHO

I phone 1, 2, 3 (really 2, 3 , 3gs) they all suck the radio shack of smartphone technology

HD2, great hardware but Winmo LOL horrible battery laggy but do like sense (got this running in dual boot running 2.3 now)

EVO4....... try rooting this get ready for a smackdown experience this is the hd2 with android unfortunately it is also cdma.......... horrible battery life laggy and not that great

Nexus 1 phone ok but it bricked pretty easy and screen kinda small and really just a developer phone

Tried the G1 didn't like from the outset ....go figure geuess just me, i returned the next day.

I modded the droid X for my friend, I was kind not to tell him it is pretty junky but then I didn't want to hurt his feelings, I did get it running better and it showed to me the Galaxy phone is still outranks

Tried the G2 But it only had the advantage of a better GPS and my GPS works good now so i am happy not worth the change, less support too

Vibrant --- Easy to root easy to mod and hard to brick, nice hardware for the most part but GPS was a problem...... I don't really use it much so it matters not to me

So far, this has been best overall phone to date, waiting for the S2

I have had more fun with this phone than any other, it is the most forgiving, and has great forum support.

As far as T-mobile goes, If you do not like it try Verizon or ATT or Sprint, they are really worse at least on the west coast, and now with the JL5 modem i am getting 5mg download speed pretty consistently and my video phone Tango app rocks.......... need I say more ?
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
9.3 million sold this year. I guess all of those Behold II owners really but the kibosh on Samsung's mobile division. Same with MOTO and the CLIQ/Backflip/DEVOUR owners at T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T I(in the states alone;MOTO Milestone is still on 2.1 - IDENTICAL to the DROID!) - LOL

People complaining about T-Mobile's handsets need to get a clue. Sprint is most certainly no better and AT&T is a joke at this point. It's Verizon(upcoming LTE Desire HD)/T-Mobile(Stock Android king, rumors abound for HSPA+ devices next year) ..
[Vibrant General] Drewstein:
I love my Vibrant. It's rediculously easy to mod while being hard to brick and has a beautiful screen.

I came from an iPhone to Android as the Mac nazis are constintantly trying to brick any jail broken phone.
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
Good points!

I met some people on my daily commute who have Galaxy S variants and they are stock, they noticed that I had the same phone and kind of became my commuter phone friends :D. The only "issue" I've heard is that they want their phone look like mine with green icons LOL. One guy just gave up on the GPS altogether and his reasoning for not stomping all over his phone is that he has a fully functional GPS in his car, and the phone's location positioning functionality is good enough to find places,, it's not like Google Maps, Places and Yelp cannot fully function without the GPS to be on the dot, he turns on use wireless networks and forgets about it. My co-worker's fiancée just got a Fascinate and the only reason she wants to tinker with it is to remove Bing from it.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
T-Mobile netok and subscriber base is much smaller than at&t. It easy o mock them, but every us iPhone is abusing their network, most ipads and a on of other smart and feature phones. T-Mobile network could never accommodate that.

At&t has a bigger voice network and probably twice the 3g coverage of T-Mobile.

Verizon's network is big, but the cdma carriers are slower and no simultaneous voice and data is a Showstopper for me.

I've had all four carriers. Only with T-Mobile cause I live in a rural area. Outside of this general area they are outcoveraged by every carrier from boost mobile to Verizon wireless. 2 miles out of an hspa+ market and your on edge. 5 more miles and your smartphone develops down syndrome...

Video chat is useless without a ffc, and tango runs a service that has nontrivial battery drain even when not used. I tried it. Its not that good.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
When 10% of your phones are problem phones that's not an "only" sort of figure. Furthermore all Galaxy S phones suffer from lag issues and to appease the fanbois ill say 99% for the GPS - so they can fell special for being in that 1%.

Then there was the hardware lock...

Then the bricking on an OTA update...

DRM service raping batteries, too...

Then Samsumg's kernel bugs that have some of waiting for froyo so we can run certain apps...
[Vibrant General] vapotrini:
Can someone please tell me how to experience the infamous lag on this phone? Serious question. Give me step by step instructions on how to make it happen. Since it's so widespread, that should be easy.

I must be a fanboy because I don't experience it, or maybe it's so minor that I don't notice it.
[Vibrant General] robavila721:
A stock vibrant does have its issues. But its not like all the other phones are perefect. There Is never going to be a perfect phone that's why companies make otas. This is where samsung really messes up but thanks to the awesome developers here, they make this phone use its full potential. And I would hardly call flashing a rom "jumping through hoops" this is one of the easiest phones to mod.
[Vibrant General] Ms_Vibrant:
are you not aware of the issues that other devices were afflicted with like on the evo? Don't you know that an ota update has bricked lots of evos too??

Please stop spewing nonsense.. you hate the phone. You hate samsung but you are still here? Attention seeker? Im vomitting..
[Vibrant General] m00nshake:
For me, and if it makes me a geek then so be it, but half of the fun of owning this phone is tweaking it to make it better. I've had ten times as much fun, laughs, frustration, knowledge gained, and overall happiness than I ever had with my G1 by learning how to properly tweak this phone to do it's very best.

And that's just how it is with electronic junkies and their toys. Give them a toy that works perfectly and never needs fixing and the excitement wears off quickly. But give them a toy that constantly needs fixing and tweaking to make it just a little closer to perfect, and the fun just goes on and on.

Which is the reason I haven't purchased a Nexus SGS yet. I'm still waiting for my next chance to flash something to make this phone a little closer to perfect...ummm... 2.3
[Vibrant General] RobBull69:
It looks like Samsung locked the bootloader in the new leaked tab software. I wonder if they are going to use us here as guinea pigs to test froyo and help them work out the bugs only to pull the rug out from under us later. Moto's already locked the bootloaders on their phones. Obviously, there are methods around this, but it'll take some time and effort to get around the locked bootloader (bootstrap). Hopefully, I'm just being paranoid.

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/warning-leaked-galaxy-tab-firmware-comes-with-protected-bootloader/
[Vibrant General] JeremyNT:
Step 1: turn on phone

Step 2: do things

Of course, I can easily believe it's the kind of thing somebody wouldn't notice, depending on what device they were coming from. I used an iPhone 3G before this, and the Vibrant felt positively snappy in comparison to that device.

It's only after getting a Nexus One that I realized how laggy the Vibrant is, considering its hardware specifications. It's not like it makes the phone unusable, but it does make it feel like it's performing at a level one generation behind what the hardware should be capable of.

The lag issue is actually only a minor gripe for me, especially since there are fairly easy workarounds for it now. But when you add that to the laundry list of other issues (GPS, glacial pace of updates, etc) the result is a disappointment.

At this point there's probably nothing Samsung can do to make right the Vibrant for me. We've been waiting on froyo for an eternity and it's still not here; even if it comes out tomorrow, it's just too late.
[Vibrant General] noahgray:
I'm not getting another Samsung either.

1. GPS is broken

2. Lag, needs lagfix

3. ****ing waiting forever for Froyo, Gingerbread is out damnit

4. Ugly UI

5. Internal memory bricked with update

Yes, I have fixed all these things, but really why should I buy a broken phone and spend my precious time babying it and fixing all this when I have school to do, food to cook, places to go, etc. It was fun at first, then I realized it wasn't. Give me an iPhone so I can get on with my life.

EDIT: Oh, and this applies to Android in general:

6. Waiting for the good apps to get ported from iOS.