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[Nexus One General] uansari1:
First, this is in the wrong section I think..

Second and most importantly, we have no idea how rootable the Optimus 2X will be... if it's totally locked down, how would you feel about not being able to mod it?
[Nexus One General] garfnodie:
I disagree, who better to ask what I should get after having and N1 for a year, than other people who have an N1 and might also be thinking to get another phone.

That's kind of why I was posing the question, others might have a better idea as to how LG is with their devices and if they tend to be easy or hard to root, good/bad build quality, warranty and support issues. Is LG lenient with software hack like HTC is, or are they strict and won't service a phone that's been rooted.

I understand that the phone isn't out, but I'm trying to start my research early to start building a mental image of what my options are so that I can make a well informed choice when the time comes, instead of buying something just because it's there and everyone is talking about it.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Your cool :cool: in this section bro. But if your leaning toward the Ns, then I would wait for the next HTC device...just a thought ;)
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
I loved my Nexus One, but the S blows it out of the water. I love my Nexus S.
[Nexus One General] b1337:
didnt you have a n1 with a test build of gingerbread? how do the two compare since you ran gb on the n1...
[Nexus One General] MitchRapp:
whatever you do, wait until march 2011 or so ... by then a couple of tegra-2 phones will be out and the mistake of the Samsung Nexus S will be long forgotten.

I'm keeping my Nexus One until then :)
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
The S is smoother, the animations are much better, and it's snappier. This is all due to the improved hardware.

It's the same Gingerbread experience though. I'm badgering my friend to hook me up with Honeycomb.

The software is identical, but the S takes much better advantage of it.
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
Mistake? :confused:

Fanboys be fanboying.
[Nexus One General] pwig:
The gingerbread build from fitsnugly is really badass. Smooth as silk in the menus and scrolling. Better than any froyo build I have ever used.

Nexus one has had new life breathed into it.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
none - rather wait for a new HTC device with dual core cpu....but basically the N1 is enough for me for about one more year - and i'd rather get a brand new honeycomb tablet next year...

to me there are much more important things the smartphones need to tackle than just continuing the cpu updates:

1. MUCH better battery lifetime - i don't want an own projectplan for charging cycles just because the current devices can't handle more than one day usage.

2. MUCH better outdoors visibility in sunlight

3. AMOLED screens with better color calibration and without sucky pentiles

Distant 4. >WVGA resolution

Before at least one of those points is optimized i won't buy another phone...
[Nexus One General] Fulvio Minichini:
I think it's time to wait

I'm a proud owner of a Nexus One, but obviously I'm always looking for new frontier of hardware.

At the moment there is nothing on Android Market or other distribution channels that doesn't work like charm on my Nexus One. I am impressed to from 1080, dual core, tegra and videos like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jil4CEEryW8#t=1m40s.

I'm pretty sure they will conquer the future market.

Till that keep your Nexus One with you because even if hardware, as always, seems to running pushed by all this competition, software is moving slower.

Last, Nexus S doesn't seem to me to be such a great deal, as you initially noticed, it is almost the same hardware of Nexus One. I will never buy a Nexus S unless it mobile videochat will become a necessity, but I don't think so.
[Nexus One General] androidaddict23:
I'm going straight for the lg I can wait. for me the nexus s was bit of a disappointment in terms of build quality and the lack of expandable memory. looking at LG optimus 2x and it looks good
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
If by "almost the same hardware" you mean "everything is different" then yes, you are correct.
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
To me the ideal display type for a smartphone would be a PixelQI. It would greatly improve on both points.

And I could easily live with disadvantages such as not so wide viewing angle (really, why someone sitting beside me should be able peek into my phone?) and maybe not so punchy colors (does not matter for 99% of what I am doing with my phone).

Sadly those displays do not carry enough bling-bling factor to appeal to decision makers. So I am not holding my breath.

Actually I don't think I need the second power eating and mostly sleeping CPU core. Something like hyperthreading would be more than enough to provide smoother response.
[Nexus One General] garfnodie:
From a purely spec standpoint, the two Nesus' do appear to be very similar, but as has been evidenced by computer cpu's in the past five years or so, technical specs aren't everything. Software, both on chip and in OS can make a huge difference in how a device performs. You can have the fasted cpu around, but if the software isn't able to utilize it, it'll be crap.

Take Apple for example, they may not always have the latest and greatest hardware, but their software more than makes up for by being silky smooth in operation. My N1 has a 1Ghz cpu, and it is always stuttering here and there with scrolling, and loading stuff, etc, but the iPhone always scrolls smoothly and transitions from screen to screen smoothly. Now these are things I can live with cause I'm a geek and I know that there is a lot of **** going on underneath the hood of my N1 that is causing it to do this, but to the layman, this would suck and make them think it's a piece of crap.

So ultimately it comes down the the hardware guys and the software guys getting together and making it all work together as smoothly and seamlessly as possible.
[Nexus One General] kindiboy:
I wouldn't give up Google direct updates for a rocket luncher.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
I have one I'm trying to sell! :D:rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] glasslung:
This source says it will be available early March or late February: engadget.com/2010/12/21/lg-optimus-2x-coming-to-t-mobile-usa-by-march

I'm getting the NS now because (1) I'm not convinced of the immediate real-world performance benefits (it may take several software updates first); (2) I don't think it get the nice screens Samsung has; (3) I want my Android phone now.
[Nexus One General] ohgood:
skip the x2, wait for the x2 revision 2. most likely the radio will suck, or the antennae (hello nexus one !), or the storage, or... you get the idea.

i'd just keep on truckin with the g1 till the x2r2 came out ;-)
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
Again, that's not true. The Hummingbird is closer to (and surpasses in many areas) the second generation Snapdragon in the Desire HD. It's an order of magnitude faster than the QSD8250, as it should be, because that chip is two years old.

Agreed, exactly why I chose a slower (on paper) Hummingbird powered Nexus S over the Tegra 2 powered Optimus. I'd much rather have pure Android on a phone Google had a direct hand in building over some beast on paper launching with a disaster of a skin on top of an outdated Android version.

GPU acceleration is the reason behind this. The 3GS' and iP4's SGX535 is a hugely better performer than the ancient Adreno 200. Plus Apple gets to pour all of their R&D into one platform and one device. Google doesn't have that luxury.

On my Nexus One I always disabled the animations simply because they dropped to many frames and lagged. On my S I have everything enabled and it just flies. The touch response is also nearly 1:1 with the iP4. The world has evolved quite a bit since the N1 launched.
[Nexus One General] chinstrap:
Vanilla Android was a selling point for me. I moved from a N1 to an NS @ launch and never looked back.

Optimus questions @ launch:

- Battery Life (only 1500mAh for a dualcore?)

- 2.3, but when? (as of the 12/16/10 Phonearena.com reports 2.2 @ launch)

- Solid Launch date? (as of the 12/21/10 Engadget reports March 11')

With the Nexus S, I got 2.3 out of the gate, better battery life then my N1 and I was able to get my hands on one @ launch w/o much trouble.

I have a very bad feeling about battery life with the dualcore, only time will tell though.
[Nexus One General] pwig:
I've said it once and I'll say it again, gingerbread has really cleaned up the lagginess on my N1. The Adw launcher EX put it over the top. Smoother and faster than launcher pro. It must be using the gpu finally in an efficient and effective way.
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
I had the release build of Gingerbread on my Nexus One, and I agree, it did help a bunch. The animations were still constantly lagging and dropping frames though. I turned them off from day one (mine was a launch day phone).
[Nexus One General] pwig:
In just the last few days the CyanogenMod 7 pre build has gotten really good and absolutely no lag on anything. And I have tried throwing everything at it.
[Nexus One General] garfnodie:
What I meant was by just looking at specs on paper. Both are 1Ghz chips, so they seem similar. Computer CPU clock speeds pretty much stopped increasing quite awhile ago, it is in other area's, that are beyond my comprehension, that makes a new Core i5 chip running at 2.5Ghz loads faster than and old Pentium 4 running at the same clock speed. The point being that you can't alway make a judgment based on what the listed, as on paper, specs are of a device. You really need to see a device in operation and in everyday use and in benchmark results to see how a device really performs.

As for how Apple makes things so smooth, I didn't realize that how they did it. Good to know.
[Nexus One General] tameracingdriver:
I've got an iphone 4 and while I do agree its smoother running than any android phone I've used, it STILL sometimes stutters - it doesn't run 100% smooth 100% of the time, and anyone who tells you it does is lying. It is still an order of magnitude better than Android though in this respect, but it aint perfect.
[Nexus One General] Namuna:
For me, I tend to follow where Team Douche (and most specifically, Cyanogen) go in terms of CM dev.

Until very recently, the N1 was the lovechild, always getting first dibs, fixes and releases.

But starting with CM7 Alpha, the Nexus S is starting to get that love instead (there's hasn't been a nightly build for the N1 in over 10 days!). :(

I was in the camp with the folks that talk about holding out until around Q2 2011, but if my N1 is going to start being relegated to the backburner for 1st run updates/fixes...Then I just might rethink going to the NS.
[Nexus One General] krabman:
With a number of devices likely to be announced in a week I would certainly be holding out til then to see what they are and when they are likely to hit. I would also not buy into any phone til I knew that it could be rooted and had solid community support. That means waiting long enough after the launch to determine those things and knowing that support is their makes the installed software a non issue. This also gives you the added advantage of letting other users identify what issues might exist with the hardware and whether they represent a problem in your usage. Some of this stuff wont be a factor for people who flip their phones quickly as a mistake is soon forgotten with the next device. Right now you know you have community support for the NS and its flaws are known. The LG is a question mark but depending on build quality and community support a (probably) better device. I think where I"m going is this question is hard to answer with any real authority when one of the devices is has some unknowns and is further clouded by the possibility that waiting a matter of days may reveal new devices that might be more desireable than either.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Since they need updated kernel source for the N1 to create a properly working CM7, it's not a huge surprise.
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
A bit off topic but link to article below says LG B will have terga 2 also. Pretty hot.

http://www.devicemag.com/2010/12/20...-optimus-2x-lg-b-to-come-with-nvidia-tegra-2/
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
Seriously? People would get a LG phone just because it's first out the gate with a dual core? At least wait before a respectable, well supported OEM makes one.
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
Doesnt mean ill buy one, but ill sure go play with one to see what its all about. I mean it wasnt too long ago that nobody really knew htc either and they raised their game...its possible that its a quality phone. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
I agree with everything you said. I'd add a little extra...

Not only did HTC come out of nowhere, they brought their A game. First smart phone available as a flip. Oh yeah, I had that old 3125. And the 2125. The 8125. Skipped the 8525, had the 8925. And they've had a plethora of great phones since. But in reality, today's market has a very simple principle: What have you done for me lately?

In all honesty, I can't completely fault HTC for this. They rely largely on Qualcomm, a company in which I've grown increasingly disappointed. Great CPUs, below average GPUs. Same form factor. It's time to raise the bar again, and I really don't see HTC doing that right now. Could I be eating my words after CES? Sure. I don't think so, but we'll see.

HTC built a great reputation. Will they keep it? Hard to say. They've gone very mainstream, which is great for average consumers, shareholders, and the bottom line. Not so much for the geeks.

Does LG have a below average reputation in our eyes? Yes. This, though, could be different. Maybe it'll be Motorola that raises the bar. Somebody needs to, somebody will. I'm not entirely convinced it'll be HTC, and I think Someone elSe Showed that they probably won't raiSe the bar either...

Sent from my Sexy Nexy, courtesy of the fine developers of Tapatalk
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
Maybe in the USA. HTC was already quite established in the rest of the world well before that. Guess where the name of this forum came from? :)

My first smartphone (not the HTC's first) was HTC Alpine otherwise known as XDA IIi and QTEK something.

Here is a little bit of history from the wikipedia:
[Nexus One General] CiDhed:
I am going to wait for the 2x and see what response it gets from the modding community. My contract is up but my n1 still is adequate for my needs. I am in no rush to get a new phone which is good as I think 2011 will see some neat phones.
[Nexus One General] babblerx:
HTC may have come out of nowhere and brought their A Game when it comes to cutting edge tech, but they left their build quality and customer service in the bin!! Just ask anyone who has ever had an HTC handset go wrong!!

Sorry to launch a downer on them, but they really do stink in the build quality and CS departments!
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
Ok, I am that "anyone", my nexus one did go wrong. Famous "dust under the screen" problem.

HTC customer support in my case was nothing short of excellent, they did much more as they actually were obliged to. Have absolutely nothing to complain about.

Also, my coworker had the same problem with his htc desire. Also absolutely no problems with customer service.
[Nexus One General] CiDhed:
I broke my screen. HTC had a next day air call tag sent to me and had my phone back with in a week and for only 55 bucks. They were also great on the two g1 track ball repairs I had done. Imo some of the best support I have had and probably why I won't get lg and will wait for Htc to get dual core.
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
RE: Qualcomm - they are on the up.

As you said, they already have some of the best mobile CPU designs and while they have been notoriously awful on the GPU front, they recently acquired ATI's (?) mobile division. The Adreno 205 was the first GPU to take advantage of that and from all reports it's almost on par with the PowerVR SGX 540 which is beastly and will still be featured in OMAP's next gen dual cores. The Adreno 220 is supposed to up things up by quite a bit (eclipsing the Tegra 2's which it is already roughly on par with) and will likely be in Qualcomm's next chips. Don't forget that they were also the first to have 1 GHz A8 chips in mainstream mobile phones.

It looks like they will be late to the dual core party but TBH I doubt that the first gen dual cores will be worth while in phones. I just can't see them being all the great when it comes to battery life; it'll probably be a game best played with tablets that have bigger batteries. One thing that I did notice though is that Qualcomm has there eyes set on releasing a 28nm mobile dual core in late 2011 - early 2012; and THAT will probably be the chip that makes dual core CPUs worthwhile on phones.
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
Hopefully theyll be nuclear powered. I dont understand why with all the great chipset tech thats been coming out lately it seems battery tech is the same its been for awhile. I would think theres a ton of money to be made in new battery tech.

I just cant get over the hdmi mirroring on that video thats been floating around of the lg vs. ip4. Looks seriously kick ass.
[Nexus One General] babblerx:
well, I'm glad someone got good service...

...there will be the odd one or two who do get good service, and yes I may be bitter about my experience, but trust me on this....they were absolute pants.

Slow service (a total of 10 weeks from sending phone for repair to getting a replacement!!)

Fobbed off with excuses each time I rang

Lost phone (admittedly not their fault)

Destroyed original packaging

Returned phone without battery (which took a further 2 weeks!)

Refurb phone arrived in bubble wrap in plastic enevelope (when mine was originally sent back in retail packaging)

Refurb phone still faulty

GIven the above, I think I have a right to have a downer on HTC!!
[Nexus One General] krabman:
Speaking of batteries, why do all these power hungry beasts seem to come with a 1500ma battery? Why cant we have the option of a bigger battery? I actually found the N1 too thin and like the way it sets in the hand after I put it into a case better than the naked device. I dropped it twice before said case showed up in the mail. I know many that feel that these devices are not only thin enough but like me, think they are too thin. I say give us more battery or at least the option of a bigger battery.
[Nexus One General] garfnodie:
Right now, unfortunately, the iPhone is the gold standard when designing phones. Everyone want's their phones to be the same size, but have more capabilities that the iPhone. All these capabilities that they add that the iPhone doesn't have take up room inside the casing of the phone, which takes away from battery space. Now as time goes on, the electronics will shrink in size allowing for room for batteries, but at the same time, the power draw of the electronics increases. But then the electronics are then designed to have the same capabilities, but draw less power, so then they cram even more stuff into the phone... it's a vicious cycle that will ultimately only be fixed when a whole new type of battery is developed and put into use.
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
I second the too thin feeling. Makes me think my big hands will slip and drop it.
[Nexus One General] kewlguru:
The six pages in this thread was an interesting read.

I had the same question in the beginning of Dec! Do I wait for Optimus X2? Or plonk my money on the Nexus S?

In fact, I am waiting since Nov to upgrade my phone! At that time, Desire HD was the phone to beat!

(Currently own a G1!! I know! I know!).

I bought my wife an Android phone (Samsung Galaxy 3). I realized something.

Buy a phone that will have amazing community support or Google Support.

Once Google announced Nexus S, I decided that was the one I would get...It's simple.

I am going to be the first to get the updates! Plus there will always be great community support for these phones.

Buy a dual core phone! So what?

If GB runs like butter on the Nexus S, why do I need a dual core today?

Case closed.

/Ash

Update: I forgot to mention, I bought the Nexus S. Not in my hands yet! Can't wait
[Nexus One General] garfnodie:
HTC Thunderbolt possibly a 1.2Ghz dual core phone with 1080p, 8mp rear camera.

http://gizmodo.com/5721812/htcs-4g-thunderbolt-phone-could-be-dual+core-with-1080p

Not a T-Mobile phone so it won't work for me. But I hope it's true anyway.
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
Yeah i wish t mob would grab something like that instead of some of the other models they carry. Something dc and big screen would be nice.
[Nexus One General] zmodp:
Im personally gonna wait and get the Nexus 6.

I hear its more human than human, but only has a 4 year lifespan.

Its too bad they wont live; but then again, who really does?

On second thought, maybe its too much trouble.

I hear they develop their own emotions and then start demanding more life, ****er.

I would hate to have to retire it early, then all these things get lost, like tears in rain.
[Nexus One General] garfnodie:
Agreed. So far, the two Nexus phones are the coolest phones they have. I suppose you could get an HTC HD2 and but Android on it, but that's sounds like it'd be a pain in the ass. Why can't TMo get phones like the Moto Droids, or other bad ass phones other carriers have. I don't really care what software/launcher is on them cause I can always just flash them to something else that I like.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
This is one awesome spec'd bad boy...T-Mob needs to get something like it in the 1stQ!
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
Im thinking along the lines of the samsung s2. Although it is a samsung those specs look awesome as well. Hot damn 2011 will be an awesome year for android handsets. Apple eat your heart out.
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
Or you just import it from Europe, technically it will work in T-mob usa network just fine :)
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
It most likely won't, we don't use the AWS freq here.
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
Ive looked at pricing for a few phones this way, but they seem to get incredibly expensive compared to when the same phone is released in the us through a carrier, even buying contract free.
[Nexus One General] CiDhed:
Or there may just be the odd one or two that get bad service.

"A happy customer tells one friend, an unhappy customer tells everybody."
[Nexus One General] babblerx:
Very true, but if no one complained then any company concerned wouldn't be aware there was a problem. So I reckon me and the many, many others who have been so vocal on the various forums should continue to do so.

I am sincerely happy for those who did get good service. I only wish my own experiences could have been as good.
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
Heres a new video of lg optimus 2x vs iphone 4 browser loading speed. Looks speedy to me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4tCELluqn8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Nexus One General] G1-evolve:
is it for tmobile or no? when is it coming out
[Nexus One General] :
HTC Thunderbolt?!
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
Dual cores are soooo yesterday...

Freescale i.MX6 CortexA9 Quadcores will rule the world!!!111!!eleven!
[Nexus One General] rori~:
unfortunately, as long as Android´s userspace is not hardware accelerated, Apple will be smoother :o no matter how many cores we use.
[Nexus One General] canadariot2312:
I was hoping they would fix that with Gingerbread, unfortunately, the only device running Gingerbread isn't smooth. I would personally go with the LG Optimus 2X if you want a more future proof phone.
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
Hardware and software limitations be a harsh mistress.