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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
If the phone is in ur purse and you have a pin/ pattern lock set on android then yes it will take longer to take a picture than with a wp7 device.

Office is better. Email on wp7 is better than on android. The development environment. Device capability uniformity.

Personally I think they should make a nexus s commercial talking about the lack of SD card, HD recording, etc. It would be to die for...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
your kettle (wp7) should meet my pot (nS)...

wp7 has some nasty sdcard issues, just like the S's glued in memory...

while you're shooting HD video, you can't share it with anyone...

if/when there is a cyanogenmod rom for the S (shortly i'd imagine) all this will just fade to black ;-)

that being said, microsoft still has that big January update to make everyone oooo and ahhhh and fix everything. I'm really looking forward to it myself.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
WP7 doesn't have any nasty SD Card issues.

WP7 just has nasty manufacturer issues using internal formfactors from other phones (or similar to other phones) and putting them out there with card slots in them. They shouldn't have had them to begin with.

Doesn't matter. An HD7 still has equivalent storage to a Nexus S, and there will probably be WP7 phones released in Q1 2011 with 32GB.

There aren't any nasty SD Card issues on WP7. FUD is FUD, right?

The hillarious thing about the SD card is that the Android fans were laughing their asses off about it, and the hardware in WP7. "No SD Card is a showstopper!!!1!" and then the Nexus S gets released with no SD card and the same SoC in the Galaxy S phones - complete with the plastic build, of course!

You can share HD video by publishing it via eMail to YouTube or Facebook - we went over this over a month ago in the other thread... Hotmail also supports Attachments up to 50MB in size. Sharing the files is easy as hell. For Web Video/Phone or computer viewing you can probably just record in 480p and it will look almost as good (did some recording on my Vibrant yesterday, while the 720p looked good on the phone, it didn't look very HD in Windows Media Player (and I have a high end graphics card with GPU Decoding Accellerated Decoding, etc.).

CyanogenMod on a Stock Google-supported phone is IMO not going to improve the phone by much, Lol. There may be some improvements, but nothing compared to the other devices that are held down by carrier and manufacturer bloat/apps/customizations. You give up a seamless experience for a BianualForcedDeathMarch™ as well, which is the reason why I stay away from Custom ROMs.

P.S. I have a Samsung Vibrant - not just some random MS fanboi.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
there's a huge difference in 480p and 720p... but that's obvious, i'll leave it.

cyanogenmod does very nice improvements for phones. tweaks and things that should have always been there, but weren't. power widgets, wifi tethering, data sync, etc all with just one press... very nice in deedy.

after googling biannualdeathmarch.. i think you're refering to linux stuff, but not really sure.if that right ? no reason that i -have- to update a piece of software really. i have stuff from os9, linux 2.4, win95, osX, and others on my computer... the phone just runs whatever i flash this week.

also, what does 'seamless experience' mean ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] bsipe9:
It's funny because I almost started a thread just like this. I've been an AT&T customer for years but was pretty much set on making the shift to T-Mobile based on the deals available (3-line 750min with txt and some data on two lines was $35 a month more on ATT). My gut was saying HD7, but I really wanted to get one in my hands to really decide. When I went into the Cleveland suburb T-Mobile store I mentioned the 2-3 phones I was interested in and the guy almost fainted when I mentioned the HD7. He said it wasn't really an option unless I was a diehard Windows fanatic. He pushed every single Android phone at me and even wanted me to consider non-smart phones over the HD7. When I persisted and asked to see it anyway, you know, just for sh&%$ and giggles he sighed heavily and took me to it. He grabbed it before I could and I'm not kidding when I tell you he couldn't figure out how to turn it on. Knew the ins and outs of ever other phone but couldn't so much as turn this one on. This was a solid 4 weeks after launch. I asked him if I could handle it and two seconds after I had it in my hands he started pumping up the MT4G (which I was interested in for my wife, but that's neither here nor there). Anyhow, the morale of the story is I went home without signing a contract and instead went through Costco online (saved $180 on the three phones but more importantly didn't give business to a store who didn't even consider my interests nor what might actually be best for me).

My guess is that a very large proportion of HD7 sales on T-Mobile's network have been online purchases.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fixxxer2008:
why isn't the dell venue pro out for people to see at all? that's my question.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
The same reason why the N1 wasn't at retail stores. Companies are looking into ways to save more money and they are trying to see if a 100% online store can accomplish that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
If T-Mobile had the Venue in-store, I would have went home with two WP7 phones. The absolute best looking WP7 phones, IMO, are the HD7 and Venue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
Don't know that I agree with that. When sprint offered the evo, my clear internet 4g went from 12mbps to 1-2mbps in a month. Nothing clear did (all the way to level 3 tech support) could fix it. WiMax is already bogged down and hasn't been around very long and this was months ago, before the epic was released. So far, t-mobile has routinely beat out wimax on speed tests and I still get 4-6mbps download.

Now, if you want to complain about network reliability on t-mobile...

says who? I watch t.v. shows and movies on my phone almost everyday at work in my downtime.

There's a reason that slingbox was #1 on my xmas list this year.

Maybe overseas where unlimited plans aren't the norm I could see this. But no one I know uses IM on their phone daily. Esp with twitter being so big, it's kinda taken the place of IM for most people.

That is what pisses me off. If I ask to see a product, I expect to see the product, not be told why something else is better...

How about fragmentation. Ask Rovio what they think about that...

wait, a CM rom is gonna add sd card storage to the nexus S??? That would be cool...

Seriously, 1 device had sd card issues that have since been resolved.

it is as long as you live close to 1 of the 2 or 3 MS stores in the USA. Otherwise its online only. Makes a lot of sense don't it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Yes, on a television. But most people sharing videos don't need to transfer large high res HD videos. If someone will be using a phone, 480 is fine. If they'll be viewing it on a large computer screen or an HDTV, then I guess you need 720p. But those files are huge.

I shot some 720p video over Christmas and transferred some of them to another Vibrant over Bluetooth. With the phones sitting right next to each other it took forever for the files to transfer due to their size.

Beautiful Widgets has toggles for every single thing and you don't have to worry about reflashing when a new version of some rom is released. Android has a stock power widget that has enough for most people.

WiFi tethering is stock in Android and almost every carrier is putting it back in since they're all charging for it. WiFi tethering in stock Android is worse than the MobileAP application that Samsung developed for the Galaxy S phones.

Cyanogen MOD allows people with 3rd party phones to run a stock (or near stock) android with good performance that is tested somewhat well. That's good.

But it adds close to nothing to a stock Google phone like Nexus series.

Seamless experience means when Google updates the Nexus S you get an OTA notification and just do it.

When Cyanogen Mod releases a new ROM you have to reflash it. There's a big difference.

BianualForcedDeathMarch™ means when Cyanogen fixes a bunch of bugs or makes some enhancements you have to reflash, just like everyother custom ROM, and a Linux Distro (upgrading your distro just to run Firefox, when you can just install it and it works find on Windows 98), instead of having the bug fixes and enhancements backported to the version you're running via an update.

As long as ROMs demand constant reflashes, they're not going to be worth my effort.

I've already been there (on WinMo with my ex-HD2). Not going back. It's a primitive way to work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Huh, what?

I think that's the point I'm trying to make. They may not use IM on their phones, but they use IM on their computers, netbooks, etc.

You don't get presence information with SMS. File transfer over MMS is limited. SMS/MMS is also slow. There is also the possibility of Video Chat on later/better devices being offered through a first party WLM client. IM doesn't cost an arm and a leg if used internationally, and IM can be used in the absense of a cell phone connection i.e. data only.

IM is simply a superior way to communicate, in almost every way compared to SMS.

There's a reason why BBM is so popular on Blackberries, Google Made sure to develop a GTalk client, and Apple has MobileMe integration in their products.

I know SMS works, but not having a first party IM client is a showstopper, especially when you had one for years prior and you own one of the largest IM networks in the world.

I'm not waiting months upon months until the "Mango" update for them to introduce a Lync client that works with Windows Live accounts. I did that with this Android Phone IRT FroYo, and look where it's gotten me. I want a first party IM client with OS-level integratin, presense info in the contact list/dialer, Push Messages, etc. Miyowa or whatever it is simply doesn't cut it. Microsoft dropped the ball there. Relying solely on SMS/MMS is for the 90s.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
maybe you are right. I have never been a big IM'er and neither has my family. I don't web chat or spend a lot of time in front on the computer chatting so I guess that is why I don't see the importance.

I think miyowa does support push notifications, at least there is a setting for this, but once again, I don't IM so I don't know.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...to-the-windows-live-messenger-iphone-app.aspx

Don't really care for excuses.

All I see if Microsoft making better software for competitor products than their own. It's like they're actually trying to convince people to buy iPhones and iTouches instead of WP7 devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thegreenmachine:
Anyways, back on subject guys.

Earlier this week, I went to a T-Mobile store to check out what "new" selections of phones they had, primarily the Windows Phone 7 because I thought "You know what? I'll give it a try. No harm done." As I walked into the store, a rep came up to me and asked how could he help me. I told him that I wanted to try out the new windows phone 7 and if he had any demos laying around. In an instant he told me that I should try out the myTouch 4G instead because it had the new froyo update. I told him that I've used android in the past before, g1, and that I wanted specifically the Windows Phone 7. He still reluctantly tried to push android at me and I just walked out of the store.

I then went to a 3rd party retailer, not an actual T-Mobile chain store, but a 3rd party retailer who was authorized to sell T-Mobile phones. You've probably seen those store before. So when I walked in I was greeted by the "rep" and told him if he had the new windows phone 7. He said he did but he had no demo displayed. Disappointed, I walked around the room and looked at his selection of phones. Right when I was going to walk out, he brought out 3 windows phone 7 devices. They were actual consumer products still brand new in the box with the security sticker still intact. He opened it and handed to me the phones and said "Play with them and tell me how you like the OS." The three phones were the HTC HD7, HTC Surround and Samsung Focus. Granted he was an authorized t-mobile retailer, he also sold At&t phones.

I made my choice, the HD7, and walked out a happy customer with a 2 year upgrade plan. He also throw in a bunch of goodies such as car charger and a few silicon cases.

So in the end, I didn't get my new phone from T-Mobile.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I've actually had a pleasant time getting the HTC HD7 from T-Mobile.

When I ask about the HD7, she was talking about the "people hub", "zune hub", and the "Xbox Live" and she said that it's a very pleasant experience. I was really surprise by how much she knows.

She actually show me her own personal HD7 and said that the manager also has one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
ATT Rep

I had exactly the opposite experience at the local ATT store in NW NJ. I spoke to the manager and assistant manager. The assistant manager just returned from Windows Phone 7 trading. They were both very knowledgeable about the WP7 phones. They told me their best selling phones were the Blackberry Torch, the Samsung Focus and the HTC Surround, in that order. All of the reps in the store had been to WP7 training prior to the launch at ATT. The manager actually traveled 20 miles to pick up the phone I wanted from a distribution center, because they were selling out so quickly. They were committed to the sale of the WP7 phones. It was a pleasure to do business with that store. I was upgrading from my HTC FUZE, the Focus was a hot seller, and they still gave me a significant discount from the $199 upgrade price.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
yep on teh 720p filesizes. my dirt bikin crew is debating on switching back to non-HD cameras for filming, since the data involved in gigantic for a 4-5 hour ride, and 4-5 cameras rolling... but c'mon, you know better than to try and transfer -anything- over bluetooth. ;-)

i see what you meant about the deathmarch. why do you -have- to flash or upgrade though ?

sure, i remember the days of having to: emerge -uDp world

.... BUT .....

we're pretty far removed from that:

get an OTA, or download a zip (Clockworkmod/Rommanager) and flash... might take 3 minutes total on wifi.

if you like green eggs, and i like red eggs, we still like eggs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
This isn't about art. I already said art isn't like that, so that doesn't surprise me :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] YannieBoy:
Similar experience when I went to pick it up. I tried to be slick and see if I could get the phone on the weekend of launch. One of the reps tried to see if anything was possible but still had to wait for Launch Monday. But the day I went in, another rep came over and gave me the 21 Questions treated. You know it's a windows phone right? It's not android...blah blah blah. I told them I was with android since day 1 and that I was fully aware of WP7 since I was following it since news first leaked. She just looked at me with a blank stare. I went in on Launch Monday and was welcomed by another rep which was excited for WP7. She said she was surprise that people actually wanted it. I jokely told her with people like her (the 21 questions rep), I'm surprised that they even had the phone in stock. The rep helping me said she was a hardcore "fandroid". Her words her self. Overall, turned out to be a positive turnout. Since I was the 1st WP7 buyer, got a free Speck Black Case and the Anti-Smeer protector which I took off immediately.

Regardless of where WP7 is sold, they need to stop the bashing without knowin what their talking about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] matury:
should Microsoft be notified about this?

The other day i went to TMObile to hook up my friend's iphone for him, when i talk to the sales person, about the iphone 2g been hook up with tmo , he told me "yeah even the 2g is better than the WP7"... after that i showed him my HTC HD2 with Ubuntu and Android:cool:, he was amazed by the HD2 and talking to me about android been better for users than WP7.... next to me (us) there were customers buying a HTC HD7 WP7, right after the comment from the sales person, they opted for a MyTouchMySlide with """ANDROID"""...

so I said to me ... and to everyone (to Android or WM, WP7 users)are tmous right in doing this>? if not, should Microsoft (regardless if the the WP7 is functional or not) be notified about this?:confused:

Sales are dropping because of attitudes like these, not because the OS is better or worse, normal ppl buy what they hear from other ppl saying "OHHH its good, or Oh its better than ---

I want your opinions...
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
I think all platforms will have some salesmen that will bash them. There will be salesmen that will praise the platform too. It all goes with the territory. The few AT&T salesmen I've spoken with have praised WP7.

To combat the naysayers, the only thing MS and partners can do is put out a great product. iPhone started out with multitudes of naysayers and bashers.

It's not to any carrier's advantage to hinder the sale of any of it's platforms. They'll just be shooting themselves in the foot.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Dreamtheater2003:
need Diamond motherboard..

My 4gb internat memory is not working properly.. images, apps and datas gets corrupted when loaded in it. Changing the motherborad will fix it. Right?

Any one has a working mobo? Needs to be near me.. ;)

Thanks!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] Hakim Rahman:
I think you can find it in http://www.ebay.com/ :rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Accessories] wolfy1664:
hi

look hear http://www.htcrepairparts.com/htc-motherboard-c-644.html
[Android Apps and Games] jkbhso3:
So on my dad's droid 1, rooted, he had Adfree installed and working just fine. He was using an application the was ad supported then set his phone down and 2 mins later picked it up opened the same applies and there were ads on his screen. He didn't disable anything in that time. Adfree says there's a hosts update but will not longer download or block ads. Prior to this he had installed autokiller memory optimizer. We thought it was that, so we uninstalled it and adfree is still not working. Cleared cache and data for adfree, tried uninstalling and reinstalling and still no go. I'm at a loss. Any help is appreciated.
[Android Apps and Games] add144:
Adfree works by blocking known advertisement addresses via the HOSTS file. If an app is simply pulling advertisements from somewhere not specifically listed to be blocked in the HOSTS file, the advertisements will be shown as usual. It is somewhat of a cat and mouse game to constantly keep up to date on where advertisements are coming from, to then block them. Nothing is awry with the phone, it is completely normal.

As for Adfree not downloading the latest HOSTS file update (I believe that's what you said), could be numerous things. Check and make sure it is still being allowed Superuser permission.
[Android Apps and Games] tmk17:
I'm jkbhs03's dad and it's my phone that's having the problem. Maybe I can explain a little clearer than my son did. Anyway, I've had Adfree working on my Droid 1 for months. This afternoon I downloaded Autokiller Memory Optimizer on my phone to see if it would speed it up a little. That's when I noticed my ads returned. I opened Adfree and it said an update was available for new hostnames. After selecting "download & install hosts", Adfree stays stuck on "connecting...". I assumed Autokiller Memory Optimizer had something to do with it, so I uninstalled it from my phone. I still had the same problem with Adfree. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling Adfree, but I still have the same problem. Superuser has granted Adfree permission and I can't figure out what went wrong or how to fix it. If anyone has any suggestions, that would be greatly appreciated.
[Android Apps and Games] xriderx66:
Did you try Uninstalling Ad Free, then re-installing it?

I had this same problem, but a little toggle on Adfree made it work for me.

On mine this is what it looks like..

After you open your app, I should check the 2nd option (Use 127.0.0.1) and at the end the symlink from data/data/hosts check that as well.

thats whats been working for me, if it doesn't work i'll try to help you out more.
[Android Apps and Games] tmk17:
Tried both of those and still no luck.
[Android Apps and Games] Rican Bx Bomba:
Yeah adfree isn't working for me either... hopefully they'll fix it tomorrow.
[Android Apps and Games] FordTaurus:
Confirmed...app is broken. Update/install hosts file no longer works on new or existing installs.
[Android Apps and Games] KGBxxx:
Roger that. No go. Just when I flashed a clean rom. Lol
[Android Apps and Games] xriderx66:
You guys are right, right after posting this I got a notification setting new hosts and now I can't update them its a problem from the app dev just wait a day or two and they'll fix it
[Android Apps and Games] ofulanof:
Seems to be fixed just now.

It was looping like 10 minutes yesterday, now it takes 3 minutes on that screen and it shows "Update Successful".
[Android Apps and Games] tmk17:
Tried it again this morning, and Adfree updated in about a minute or so. Ads are gone again. Thanks for all the help everyone!
[Android Apps and Games] FordTaurus:
Same, back working again as well. :)

Should add that the 'Droid Overclock' app provides a minimal ad-blocking ability as well which can work in a pinch while waiting on Adfree to update. It isn't nearly as flexible and the app does have a minimal cost, but thought I would mention it.

Thanks all!
[Android Apps and Games] PMGRANDS:
Same Thing Happened To Me, Never Found The Source Of The Problem, But A Definite Fix Is To Do A Nandroid Backup!! But As A Alternative You Can "TRY" To Install **CACHE-MATE** And Run The App, That Method "WORKED" For Me!! Good-Luck!!
[Android Apps and Games] galaxys:
Glad this is working again :cool:
[Android Apps and Games] fishytale:
Can anyone help me get this working please?

i have installed ..granted superuser..checked 2nd option and checked symlink option ......it says connecting and please wait while your hosts file is updated......this just says connecting and i give up after leaving it for 10 minutes each time

if i just check the box - 127.0.0.1

i just get this

failed to replace your hosts file error message

any help appreciated

tried to add some screen shots from my phone but wont allow me as im a new member
[Android Apps and Games] Shawheim:
im having adfree problems also. im running the salvage 9.5 rom and adfree was working til it recently updated. it says there are new host but when i update i get this error "java.io.EOFException". anyone know what to do?
[Android Software Development] JeezyMT3G:
SPB Mobile Shell 5.0 for Android! is now open for private Beta. If you are interested to try it on your Android hit the link below and fill the form below to sign up for an opportunity to become a beta tester. They regularly accept new beta entrants and will inform you as soon as a slot opens for you.

Source:

http://spb.com/beta
[Android Software Development] mikep99:
Great heads up.

Ive submitted my form.

Cheers
[Android Software Development] idkwhothatis123:
Awesome find. Signed up.
[Android Software Development] JeezyMT3G:
YouTube it....this is NOTHING like Launcherpro or ADW...the closest thing to this is Netfront Life Screen even tho its still in development ...im guessing its only gonna be for high end devices cuz the animations are mind blowing...youtube it and check it out :)
[Android Software Development] Touch_Pete:
Thanks, jumped right over and signed up. I used this app on Win 6.1 and liked it.
[Android Software Development] mamv:
Finally...
[Android Software Development] Therev29:
Nice find. Thanks!!!

loved this on the ole Omnia i910
[Android Software Development] JeezyMT3G:
Lol I knoooww!
[Android Software Development] slinky1914:
If someone gets the apk you gotta post it for us.
[Android Software Development] sgt. slaughter:
has anyone gotten invited to the beta at all yet?