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[Fascinate General] GoogleAndroid:
Really? That would be so awesome of you. A new device on VZ from Samsung just surfaced, and it has 2.2. So, either they're forgetting about Fascinate owners or we'll get Froyo soon. I have a feeling kaos will have us updated a lot quicker than VZ or Samsung.
[Fascinate General] ksizzle9:
I think we are getting a little too excited about nothing. I and id say almost everyone appreciate you se ding punkkaos the phone but we already have devs that ARE FULLY CAPABLE OF MAKING THIS HAPPEN IF IT WAS POSSIBLE. And by that I mean the phone needs to actually make phone calls, txts, browser, camera, etc. We will see. Hope im wrong.

Edit: funny comments about making xda post while one the throne. That's where I make 95% of mine. Awesome. Glad to see im not alone. And most post(99%) are from my mobile phone. So excuse the grammar lol. As im om the john while I type this and you read this
[Fascinate General] GoogleAndroid:
Hit the thanks button instead of quote. Anyways, he did get Froyo working on the Eris, and now Gingerbread. It doesn't even have a RIL(or would it be an RIL?). Ours may be botched, but it's there. Kaos has to know something other devs don't.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
It doesn't have a ril? Funny stuff.
[Fascinate General] TheSonicEmerald:
Kaos was like the saviour for the Droid Eris. I rocked his froyo and sense froyo ports.

Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
Just a quick update on this. Early this morning I got a USPS shipping confirmation from the eBay seller (YAY!). This guy is definitely not going to get good marks from me on communication and shipping speed, but if it arrives and works as advertised, I guess I don't really care. I've notified kaos that it is now on its way, and assuming it arrives next week, I'll have it to him by the first week in January.

You know, it's kinda funny. This phone is literally going coast to coast. It's coming from New York, making a stop in the midwest at my place, and then continuing on to Oregon. Ohhhh, the lengths we go to to have cool phones. :cool: :D
[Fascinate General] ryanf:
Me too. Lol
[Fascinate General] ryanf:
That is awesome, thank you for your support. And if any one wants to know about kaos, there is a link to an interview with him on his eris thread kaosfroyo39 I think or kaosgingerbread v5. Dont remember which. It was on the next to last page last night.
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
Here's that link:

http://radioandroid.net/developer-soapbox/weekly-developer-soapbox-punk-kaos/
[Fascinate General] ryanf:
Thank you, I dont know how to list links from my phone. Sorry for the ignorance.
[Fascinate General] SeatownGST:
so we're still waffling about in theoretical-land, on the cusp of being abandon-land :(
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
You know, you really are a kill-joy, aren't you? Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to slam you or anything, but really, why does every post from you have to be so, so negative? I know, I know, you're a realist, and yes, chances appear to be slim at this point, but there's no need to rain on everybody's parade. I don't mean to spread any false hope here. My intention is simply to donate to the cause, and see if coming at the problem from a different angle seems to help at all.

Kaos seems to have some unique ways of resolving compatibility issues, which is why I felt it was worth the investment. I know we have talented devs here, and I don't mean any disrespect to them at all. However, I don't know them, but I do know kaos (well, a little bit anyway). I've seen his work on my Eris, which is phenomenal, and I don't believe he would lie about having an early build of Froyo functional on a Fascinate, which nobody else seems to have done yet. He's developed for LOTS of Android phones so far, and he's said he will dev for any phone if somebody will donate it, so I decided to take him up on the offer. That way, even if he can't get around the RIL issue right now, at least he should be able to make a functional OS in the meantime, so that when the right code does become available, we'll likely have a working GB ROM in short order.
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
while i think its a nice thing you are doing, purchasing a phone to donate...to me it seems that if jt/birdman/and company who've been working for months on the ril issues have yet to get it working 100% despite great progress recently, then to think punkaos (as talented) as he is can do it is a bit off.

the eris does not have the same issues that our devs have when it comes to a lot of the road blocks. and by the time any progress could theoretically be made, we ll probably have a froyo leak or ota and make it moot
[Fascinate General] sic4672:
I agree with nit, but i don't think adding more talent to the issue can hurt. Not to take away from the talent that has been pouring over these issues for months, but perhaps a fresh set of eyes may offer new insight. Just my $0.02.
[Fascinate General] mebizzle:
For what it's worth, if IRC chatter is to be believed, the devs working on it right now seem to have it booting on the phone... but without the RIL it can't make calls. So a "functional" OS is already there, it's just silly to have a phone that can't make phone calls.
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
Well, that may end up being the case, and if so, it is what it is. Still, regardless of the situation, I think it would be an honor to have kaos working on our phone. Whether you feel the same way or not is up to you to decide, and hey, the more options we have for custom ROMs, the better, right?
[Fascinate General] devistator18:
Even if kaos cant get a fully working froyo or gingerbread build I would still love to see what he would cook up for 2.1. I had his roms on my eris and loved them, they ran smooth and hardly ever had issues.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
I can't help but see this end with hard feelings for everyone.
[Fascinate General] jpcdeux:
Pretty sad that I had froyo running on my Eris months ago. Got tired of waiting and switched to an Incredible from a Fascinate. Now im running Gingerbread!
[Fascinate General] chopper the dog:
What are you doing here then?

good day.
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
enjoy the incredible...and squinting to see the microscopic screen
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
My phone is still faster than yours, without jit!

LOL...
[Fascinate General] piiman:
Well no wonder your post stink. :D rim shoot!
[Fascinate General] mexiken:
That phone is rumored to be an LTE one, so the RIL from that will be of no help to us.
[Fascinate General] mexiken:
Agreed :confused:
[Fascinate General] s44:
The Verizon Galaxy Tab is all I can think of (I believe the T-Mo radio is identical to the Vibrant's), but I'm not sure if anyone has properly dumped it.

Any new dev trying to recreate AOSP from scratch is probably wasting his time -- should be working on hooking the guts of the SGS Gingerbread port (supercurio et al.) onto the Fascinate.
[Fascinate General] mexiken:
Thats actually not a half bad thought....if its the same hardware, then since this kernel is based off 2.2, it should work. I know the tab doesn't "allow" calls, but they've got it to make calls on T-Mo by simply hacking the phone.apk (never mentioned about different kernel or RIL) to get it to work. The tab itself dials and places a call to activate the data service, just like any other regular phone so it SHOULD work.

Devs, would this be useful to you ???? I can get a full dump if one is not currently available....
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Get us a full dump please :)
[Fascinate General] GoogleAndroid:
What's so funny about that?
[Fascinate General] jt1134:
Every cellular device uses a ril
[Fascinate General] mexiken:
Because thats the equivalent of saying you want a car to move without having an engine....

He laughed cause the poster basically said, "my honda accord doesn't have an engine, but it still drives. Why can't your Ferrari ????"

See where the humor is ????
[Fascinate General] mexiken:
LMAO....that one actually made me really laugh, like in real life. You guys on IRC ???? I have some questions about the dump (no pun intended)
[Fascinate General] sonofskywalker3:
It would be an RIL if you spell it out, or a RIL if you pronounce it. A before consonant, an before vowel, and since the letter "R" is pronounced "ar" that makes it an.

This piece of useless knowledge is brought to you courtesy of a homeschool education.:D
[Fascinate General] s44:
Still more useful than most of this thread... :p
[Fascinate General] ryanf:
Actually this has been a great thread . I wish it hadn't stopped. Lol
[Fascinate General] jpcdeux:
Um, its .3" smaller. Microscopic? No. Clearer? Yes.

Sent via my Gingerbread Incredible using the XDA App.
[Fascinate General] jpcdeux:
Faster than what? My incredible? Hahahahahahahahahaha

Sent via my Gingerbread Incredible using the XDA App.
[Fascinate General] wilshyre:
Well personally I think its an awesome thing you've done by sending punk.kaos a fascinate. I know our devs are top notch, but it only makes sense that the more great minds that dedicate themselves to this task, the faster we're likely to get what it is that we want. And having come from an eris to the fascinate, im no stranger to punk.kaos's work, and I can tell you that he is definitely among the best and will undoubtedly contribute many great things to the fascinate, and im personally very excited to think that he may soon be contributing to the fascinate because of your donation. He pioneered froyo rom development on the eris, and is now doing the same thing with gingerbread.. on an eris, for Christ's sake!

I am in no way saying that the devs on the fascinate are insufficient or incapable. In fact I believe just the opposite. I have seen what great things they have done and are capable of.. but how could it possibly hurt or be a bad thing to have another awesome dev dedicated to making our phones better? The more great minds collaborate and help each other, the faster things will happen. This is proven time and again when we continually see devs thank other devs when they release something new for all the help or contributions that other devs have given them that helped to make their own work possible and/or successful. So yes, I do believe that having punk.kaos will have an effect on our community, and not because he's better than anyone.. just because thats one more great dev that will be working towards the greater good.

To say otherwise is to say that we dont want any more devs working on the fascinate simply because we already have some. That makes no sense.

So again, I say thank you for doing this.. and if this brings kaos to our community, then you have indeed done a lot to help the cause.

Sent from my voodoo 5 OTB 1.1 1300mhz fascinate.
[Fascinate General] Ahodson1985:
You're an idiot and should be banned. Troll

Sent from my sch-i500 w/ voodoo5 1200sv kernel
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
not to continue this flame war....but....i have an incredible and trying to go back to it after using my fascinate its really small...and no its not clearer...but thats subjective

and faster? yes the fascinate is a much faster phone than incredible in many aspects.

if i seem to recall you were someone who couldnt handle going to dj05 and were filling up these message boards with random crap....you couldnt handle voodoo either if i recall.

the fascinate community is a much better place with you gone...hang onto the dying incredible community as long as you can...and

Merry Christmas :)
[Fascinate General] ryanf:
You must be unhappy with yours since your in here. Thinking of getting a fascinate? Its a great choice. I Dont blame you.
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
i think its a great thing getting more devs on this phone :)...i just hope expectations as to what will come of it as it relates to getting aosp/froyo/gingerbread are not unrealistic...punk kaos has done some fantastic things and i look forward to what he brings to our community.

but i dont know what he will be able to do right away with overcoming the nasty sammy ril issues
[Fascinate General] Gurm:
Well on that note...

RIL in Pig Latin is also dependent on whether you're saying or spelling it, as such:

R I L becomes "Arhay, Ihay, Elhay" (because each of the letters begins with a vowel sound).

Ril, however, becomes Il-Ray.

Now you know! (And knowing is half the battle...)
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Sorry, but I am not too stupid to know how to setup my phone.

And yes, its faster than your Dinky Dinc.
[Fascinate General] jpcdeux:
You're right. Its dying. That's why were on 2.3 now while the Fascinate is on what? 2.1?

Sent via my Gingerbread Incredible using the XDA App.
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
the og droid has 2.3 too and its dying as well...many of the major devs have jumped ship from the incredible already...and dont worry we ll have 2.3 and aosp a lot sooner than later.

and congratulations on finding a phone you can handle...clearly the fascinate was too much for you and even on 2.1 its superior in many way to the incredible

so you have gingerbread! great...its basically a theme at this point on the incredible...you wont be missed here
[Fascinate General] nmyeti:
On the whole clearer bit, you should read up on the mobile dnie that's part of the reason that the Samoled is super.

Having owned both, there is more than size in difference and if you know what you are doing, the samsung is faster
[Fascinate General] jpcdeux:
I understand. The incredible was switched to SLCD for now reason from an led? To me its sharper. As vibrant? Maybe not. The picture imo is much clearer.

Faster? Ehhh maybe an inc running the stock Sense garbage. Stacked against a CM, MIUI, or GB Rom... No.

Sent via my Gingerbread Incredible using the XDA App.
[Fascinate General] jpcdeux:
Yeah, it was way too much. Basic, boring roms, boring to look it and way too much of those "qualities". Ill give it credit, it took SLIGHTLY better pics. Aside from that, well, there's nothing to miss.

Sent via my Gingerbread Incredible using the XDA App.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Then go away, LOL.

By the way, SLCD was used because AMOLED was/is in shortage. In turn, quality suffered. Thems are the facts.

I had a Dinc since launch. I switched back to it a couple weeks ago, for about three days and got so irritated with how much slower it was, and switched back.

I sold my Dinc last week.
[Fascinate General] s44:
This thread has awesome potential as troll bait.
[Fascinate General] tcub:
Okay...

Now the Telus Fascinate is getting Froyo.. The update is rolling out now..

Will this help us get to FroYo any faster?
[Fascinate General] soba49:
Not even a little. Poorly named phone from Canada with different radio and different hardware. Nothing against Telus subscribers...

One guy dubbed it a fascibrant.

Note: thanks for asking... Breaks up the pointless and embarrassing flame war for a few seconds. I really liked that pig latin comment earlier too.

Correction: not a few seconds. A whole 13 minutes elapsed before a ruler came out and a zipper was pulled.

Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, mumble.
[Fascinate General] jbrdr985:
I'm glad I saw this thread. Great entertainment for tonight.

Best part of the thread is the guy who downgraded to an incredible just so he could get a 2.3 rom. Why do I find this so funny? Well, my cousin has an incredible and he is running that exact ROM and my fascinate, running 2.1 DJ05, still beats it in everything. Sad, but true.

Not to mention now he has to deal with a worse camera, worse screen, and worse hardware. Poor guy.
[Fascinate General] tcub:
Yeah.. thanks for confirming. I just realized its been leaked for a few days at least too so obviously it wouldn't help. :(

Still I have to agree with the few here - ill take this phone with 2.1 and just wait versus downgrading to another phone. Our developers are doing a great job making this a fantastic phone! I'm looking forward to when the official froyo comes out so are guys can make it perfect! ;)
[Fascinate General] jbrdr985:
This!

I went on IRC a few days ago and the guys helped me solve all my problems. Well, not really problems, just stuff I wanted to do to the phone (remove voodoo, get dj05, etc.)
[Fascinate General] GoogleAndroid:
Oh. I worded it wrong. I see what he though I meant. :o Nevermind...

And now I feel like an idiot.
[Fascinate General] GoogleAndroid:
Haha. I used to have a Droid, and using my friend's Inc, it felt so much faster. Now that I have a Fascinate, HIS feels slow and laggy. Yes, we don't have JIT or the garbage collector, and it's still much faster than the Inc. I bet you're just jealous that you can't get one(the trolls, not you adryn). Oh, and good luck running any sort of 3D game with the POS Adreno 200.
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
Yeah, honestly. Who cares. It's a phone. Grow up already. If you are not contributing to development or using these forums for a productive use, leave... Why would you waste your time? Do they hate you in those forums too?

It's a waste of your time. No one cares if your droid incredible has gingerbread.

Now with punk.kaos, I'm sure he'll be super helpful, but I doubt that he'll be magical and pull a magic rabbit out of his hat. He has one massive advantage with the eris that he doesn't with this phone... That's time. He's had time to fully understand his ril for his eris. The fascinate's RIL is not fully understood yet. It's been mentioned time and time again that it's proprietary and needs an upgrade.

Anyways, it'll be nice to have punk.kaos join the dev team here, but don't expect a magic rabbit in one day... I think he will eventually deliver, in fact I think all the devs will eventually deliver. Just not immediately until they fully understand the RIL, Samsung releases froyo, new RIL, or working source code.

I'm just repeating all of what the devs are saying here...
[Fascinate General] bendbowden:
Lol. Are we supposed to be jealous? Even with Gingerbread, your phone is much more inferior than the Fascinate. To me, people like you are a$$ backwards. You buy a phone for its software thinking that's what really matters. I buy a phone for its hardware knowing that's what really matters. Remember, software can be changed, updated, etc. Hardware can't.
[Fascinate General] Protonus:
You're retarded. The GPU and CPU in the Fascinate are faster than the Incredible. This isn't a matter of debate, or it depends on the ROM, or it's subjective. They literally handle more instructions per second. That's it that's all.

Slow Phone for a Slow Person. Enjoy.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Don't confuse him with the facts, his mind is made up.
[Fascinate General] soba49:
Note: Christmas Eve.

Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, jingle.
[Fascinate General] ryanf:
Merry christmas
[Fascinate General] bomber889:
The incredible and the fascinate are both great phones. The reason I switched over to the incredible is because of the bigger dev community and am tired of samsungs BS. I still have the fascinate and am waiting for the incredible to arrive. Once new phones come out in a few months, I'll probably switch again.
[Fascinate General] ksizzle9:
Ivorycruncher;

Didn't mean to be a killjoy just saying that we have FEW BUT GREEEEEEAT DEVS on this phone. I really appreciate what extent u have went to, to try and help. Sorry I didn't say that. I have faith enough in the devs we have and have spoke enough with one of them to know that froyo does boot, but like has been said many times we can't make calls and that's kinda biggie. But in the christmas spirit I will go on a leap of faith and say your right. HE CAN DO IT!!! ALL NIGHT LONG!!

Edit : njitsu(sorry if I spelled it wrong lol) calling the DInc screen microscopic is a bit much. The 3/10's of a inch difference between the two is more microscopic. Although I own both and can tell a difference in the size. But my X is bigger than both. But the bootloader sucks ass.
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
fair enough...i have both and i can say that the difference in screen size is very noticable to me...i really have to zoom in far and it just feels small to me...i had the x previously...and i can say imo the jump in size from from the inc to the fascinate "feels" more significant than fascinate to x

these are all personal opinions...but my posts were in reaction to idiocy of the poster who was trolling these boards :)
[Fascinate General] ksizzle9:
I know, I know, I was just giving you a hard time. Lol its christmas. No trolls allowed.

Sent from Santas magic sleigh using XDA App
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
Hehe, no hard feelings. Like I said, if nothing else, it's just gonna be great to have punk.kaos on the team. I needed a more powerful phone than the Eris, but I really miss kaos's work. :-)

Merry Christmas to all!
[Fascinate General] mattstakilla:
no trolls, just elves today!
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
Ivory cruncher, thanks for your generosity.
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
It seems like VZ sees the Fascinate as a second-class phone since it's not part of the Droid series. Perhaps updating the Fascinate just isn't a big priority for them... It's still worth the Super AMOLED screen and the ability to root easily. Wonder when (or even IF) we'll get GB from VZ on this phone.

By the way, the lack of froyo roms is not the fault of the devs, it's just that there has been no leaked VZ Fascinate froyo source code (that I'm aware of) for them to build from.
[Fascinate General] itznfb:
2 vzw corp locations. 2.2 working display models.

Sent from my Galaxy S
[Fascinate General] lthibeault:
that in it self is a great sign...

sent my friend that works for Samsung a Text asking hes inside knowledge of it... no response yet... it may be a very good think he isn't responding to me... maybe its a secret lol.
[Fascinate General] itznfb:
Agree. What is not a good sign... same two stores won't have Fascinate in stock until "sometime" in January.

Sent from my Galaxy S
[Fascinate General] lthibeault:
hmmmm.... that sux lol
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Not buying it.
[Fascinate General] OldManJames:
pics or it didnt happen
[Fascinate General] mebizzle:
Or maybe because you offered absolutely no shred of evidence?
[Fascinate General] OldManJames:
how about you just tell us what 2 store you are speaking of. I would be happy to call both stores and confirm
[Fascinate General] J Shed:
Your phone has a camera, go back and take pics.
[Fascinate General] DigitalDementia:
For starters as with all internet related forum posts pics or it didn't happen. Secondly I work for Verizon Wireless and I can assure you we have no working 2.2 display models here. I also activate multiple fascinates a day and there is no 2.2 update for any of them, how do I know this? I follow this procedure Menu Key> Settings> About Phone> System Update> Check New> No New Updates.

Unless you have viable evidence (A.K.A. Pictures) quit attempting to troll those of us who know you are full of ****ing ****. Trying to say that there are working 2.2 models but no 2.2 update is like saying I ****ed your mom and gave her aids but only I don't have aids.

So you sir are a ****ing moron.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Its easier to point fingers and flame, than to provide proof.

By the way, use the camcorder so we know you didn't photochop it.

In denial, I see.
[Fascinate General] J Shed:
I was curious if this site had a swear filter or not, lol.

It's unreal how people can still claim things without visual evidence. Just about every phone on the market has a camera built into it.
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
95% of every mod/kernel/roms/theme anything has come from the regular irc crowd for this phone....so to say otherwise is incorrect and ignorant
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Before, JT, and co., there was NO (NONE!) working kernel source.

So, as nitsuj17 said, you are using their work, one way or another.
[Fascinate General] itznfb:
Apparently. Since that is the content of 99% of your posts.

And I don't live in my aids infested mother's basement so I'm actually at a real job right now. I didn't expect I'd have a need to record some of the most useless info on my lunch break so I didn't have my phone with me. If you want it so bad it'll have to wait a couple hours.

Sent from my Galaxy S