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[Nexus One General] Bicster_:
I'll upgrade to a Nexus S once they're free (or $50) on contract, and a decent car dock is shipping. The N1 car dock leaves a lot to be desired, but I wouldn't be without it.

I bought my wife a NS to replace her broken G1, and frankly I'm amazed at how much I like it over the N1. It's ridiculously fast and the 4" screen is a lot better for my middle-aged eyes. My N1 gets so laggy at times I just want to smash it, and I've never had that happen with the NS.

It baffles me why they can't release accessories like car and desk docks when these phones come out, instead of waiting 3-6 months.

I might give some thought to running an AOSP ROM on a Galaxy S, but with the G1 and N1 I've really preferred the bugs in Google's official releases over the bugs in the other ROMs I've tried. Right now my N1 has FRG83D+root and I'm looking forward to the official 2.3 update.
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
The irony is, that NS CPU performance-wise is about equal to N1. Hence it must be the difference between 2.2 and 2.3. Or you have some funny background tasks on your N1.
[Nexus One General] futuregerald:
I dont plan on upgrading until something that's clearly a generation leap comes out. Im used to upgrading every year but haven't found anything worth upgrading to yet
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
I had the same problem with my N95 :D
[Nexus One General] wondercoolguy:
I dont upgrade every time something new comes out my upgrade was there for the g1 when it came out Oct two years ago. My contract went up in Oct of this year currently out of contract. I bought my N1 off of someone from Clist for 320 back in May. I figured since I have the upgrade why not use it and put my N1 in a safe place where it wont get hurt :-)
[Nexus One General] drive2droad:
In the current scenario , there's absolutely no reason to justify an upgrade . Gingerbread based ROMs will appear soon & I am absolutely clear in my mind that even honeycomb can be modified to run smoothly on our N1's albeit some overclocking might be necessary with higher versions of android . But thats not the case with gingerbread & Nexus S is a complete failure from my point of view as a Google Developer / Flagship device.

I am not willing to upgrade for atleast one more year .
[Nexus One General] gcbxda:
Can I have one fact about NS CPU being faster than N1's?
[Nexus One General] pwig:
I am eyeing the Motorola Olympus because of build quality and tegra dual core. But I would have gladly bought the Nexus S if it had two mics and AT&T 3g bands. I can't figure out why these GSM phones aren't all pentaband these days. The antenna chips are usually capable but they leave out key parts like certain cheap amplifiers that keep the capability off. It's really annoying.
[Nexus One General] norazi:
the 1ghz hummingbird is similar to the 1ghz snapdragon in the n1, however the GPU is many times faster... for anything that involves graphics, the GPU will help out immensely.
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
N1 performance-wise is still on the very top of the smartphones. Yes, the touch screen digitizer is not perfect and the GPU is not the quickest in the world, but for the OS itself it is pretty much a non issue.

If N1 is not powerful enough to run the honeycomb, then very little of todays phones are (in fact none). Instantly making all of them obsolete.

Of course it is entirely another thing if goog will want to invest into N1 development.
[Nexus One General] wrench115:
No intentions of upgrading until maybe this time next year. Right now it meets everyone of my needs. Still having fun with it. The flaws most folks point out generally either don't bother me or I don't notice them on a day to day use. The only phone I was torn on getting was a G2 even that was more because I had a G1 and loved that phone. I rode that one into the ground. 4-5 warranty trade outs. Still have it rooted running CM as a protable game system for my 3 year old son.

Every phone that has come out so far has been slightly better. When it is time to retire the N1 it will be for something 1-2 generations better than what's available now.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
I've always said my nexus one is worthy of a permanent collection device since It's nicer than most phones. Besides I don't have any backup emergency device so I'm gonna keep it in case of emergency backup device.

Normally I sell my device after 6 months for 50% of what I paid and use that cash for my next device.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
I'll tell you what's ironic. My nexus one actually scrolls smoother in the settings menu and home screens than the nexus s, by a good margin. But the app drawer is smoother on the nexus s. How strange.
[Nexus One General] Lythandra:
Right now theres no reason for me to upgrade my N1 as no phones out really do anything I can't do on the N1.

Once I'm in the upgrade period I will look and get whatever is newest but I see no reason to spend $500-$600. $200 every 2 years I don't mind.

I'll keep the N1 as a backup just in case whatever I replace it with breaks or gets dropped.
[Nexus One General] ROM_Guest:
I agree with what a lot of people above have already said.

Also, superficially/aesthetically and practically speaking (pocketing), I am hard pressed to upgrade to a new phone unless it is slimmer than the N1, and just as functional.
[Nexus One General] GHOST99K:
I plan to keep my N1 till an android phone that prints out money for my next phone.lol
[Nexus One General] jdmoore81:
I am going to buy another nexus one when my phone dies
[Nexus One General] smot13:
End of life? lol. I still use my SE T610 for when I go out drinking to avoid the inevitable end of life. I've had that since, what, 2002'ish? Cell phones only have end of life when you break them, or the carrier no longer supports the technology that the phone runs on. :D
[Nexus One General] norazi:
thats because you are probably using non stock launcher... certain launchers are better written and/or optimized for gpu acceleration (AFAIK the stock launcher is not GPU optimized)

so crappier hardware running say LauncherPro will run more smoothly than better hardware running stock Launcher.. but the same software on both phones and make the comparison
[Nexus One General] wondercoolguy:
End of Life is based on what the user wants. I was just wondering if people were looking to sale them, keep them or jet them into space :-)
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Mine is a keeper for now & there are new cooked roms to flash.

Just tried the Ns & my N1 scrolls much smoother in the home screens & browser!!
[Nexus One General] posito75:
Guys I've had the nexus s for about 4 days now and at first I didn't think there was any difference but now I definitely see a big difference. I switch back to my nexus one and I can't stand the lag. I know some of you are in denial but the honest truth is that the NS does everything the N1 can do but A LOT better. I can see why google took out the NS. N1 gpu is holding it back by alot. Just my .02 cents
[Nexus One General] ROM_Guest:
Hehe, me too!

I use my HTC Wing for texting (keyboard, plus scared of the Android random sms bug).

Although if I lose my wing I will be SOL, because it has more sensitive data on it than my N1.

[thinks about wavesecure...]
[Nexus One General] zok-star:
Im with others, nothing out there thats heaps heaps better the N1, so i will be keeping it for a little longer....
[Nexus One General] sl8125:
Could this be due to gingerbread? Remember NS is running gingerbread and N1 is still running froyo. You gonna have to wait and see how N1 compares with gingerbread.
[Nexus One General] posito75:
I don't think its gingerbread. Every single game I play runs so much smoother. I have the matrix II live wallpaper and there is absolutely no lag. Phone runs like a champ. Don't get me wrong. I was the first one to defend the N1 and I really believed google didn't need the NS but if they want to take on apple with gaming the N1 gpu is holding them back. NS hasn't slowed down and I have around 80 apps. I still have my N1 and I compare side by side and its no comparison.
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
The Galaxy S running 2.1 is super smooth compared to the Nexus One/Adreno 200 -- at least when it's not lagging from the file system.
[Nexus One General] charnsingh_online:
With gingerbread a lot of stuff now is hardware accelerated so CPU has no load now the reason why many stuff runs smoother. I have a GS in my house and a N1 n i can say N1 outperforms it very well. here s a breakdown why y see livewallpapers are slow

Nexus S - Live Wallpapers - GPU other stuff - CPU, nothing is hogged

Nexus One (froyo) Live Wallpapers - CPU Other Stuff - CPU CPU is hogged, GPU is free

In Java Calculations (which is the most used programming language for most android software) Nexus One = 3x Nexus S

In GPU - Only seen in Gaming where human eye is limited to 24 fps

Nexus S - 54FPS

Nexus One - 33 FPS

And for ur information - iPhone 4 sucks a Open GL 2.0 with a bare 5 fps (my brother has it) whereas Nexus One gets 10.4 fps (OpenGL2.0 Benchmark) and Nexus S gets 20fps

iPhone 4 GPU = iPad GPU = iPhone 3gs GPU. Now the one with with lowest pixels outperforms others

I dont see Nexus One dying here. What i see is that Nexus One is here to live. IMO Nexus One still pretty much outclasses much of its competition. Even on Froyo Nexus One beats Nexus S in all benchmarks that are not GPU. And Nexus One is only outclassed by mt4g n G2 in CPU only when overclocked. Nexus One stock on gingerbread gets 44mflops ( i am running one compiled from aosp) and on froyo it is around 36-37. So performance improvements are pretty much there in gingerbread. Android is becoming more CPU efficient as it advances not CPU hog. Android is pretty much at a more mature stage than iOS and 99% features are already there and they are getting optimized here. i dont think there will be more major updates like 2.1 that will hog the CPU. Honeycomb will be more optimization on Gingerbread plus some UI features and these UI features are not ****HOG**** . When UI is improved OLD ones are depreciated so it essentially ***replaces*** the old ones. If u wanna see how slow a phone can be see my brothers old iPhone 3g even G1 runs faster than that, It has around 30 second lag when opening settings and by the time he opens his iPod to play music in the car we already have travelled about a mile. Why G1 aged- cuz with 2.1 came a whole new set of features which hogged down everything (most of the features were brought about to bring it on par with iOS in 2.1) . Now Android is not the one playing the catching race the iOS is so dont think about ur current generation phones getting laggy or slow cuz not many features are gonna be added in coming updates including Honeycomb.
[Nexus One General] twflys:
Yeah, me too and I was ashamed to admit that I bought NS, but this phone is pretty badass. My poor N1 is seeing less and less use... I am hoping they come out with either a 32 gig version or an sd card slot version before the end of my 30 days. I love this phone though... it's a monster. Great size, and I know everyone here thinks it looks cheap, but it's badass- solid black.
[Nexus One General] StefanSarzio:
This might be due to the garbage collector.

I think the new garbage collector is the best feature of Gingerbread. I can hardly wait to see it on the Nexus One.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
It's not really fair to make a comparison between the two until the N1 get's it's official update as well, GB is claimed to be the fastest Android yet, so I would expect the NS to be quicker for now.
[Nexus One General] Fulvio Minichini:
Hey I got a Nexus One free at an Android Developer Conference and I will not consider buying another phone for at least two years.

Maybe a tablet right, but I don't see anything interesting for the moment.

Leaked video of LG Optimus 2X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jil4CEEryW8
[Nexus One General] subvecto:
Same here. Nexus one is a great phone and I bought a dell streak recently to play games and all other stuff that can be done more comfy and fun on a larger screen...
[Nexus One General] subvecto:
Wait till you load apps to NS, it will also bloat like N1, give it some time... :-)
[Nexus One General] KidTech:
I plan on keeping my N1 until, i see a front facing camera on WP7 and Amloed screen with the latest mobile processor. So sometime around end of next yr
[Nexus One General] radzuky:
I am keeping it till the end. NS looks good and promising. None the less too expensive. Other phones like the G2 and MT4G are nice and probably better hardware wise; however, rom wise those phone will never get up to the N1.

N1 is the best thing. NS is probably the next best thing.
[Nexus One General] Zuber:
I'm getting a notion Ink Adam Tablet, so I don't think I'll be leaning so much on the Nexus One for intensive stuff.

Hence, I think the 2 will work well together for quite some time.

Zuber
[Nexus One General] PrawnPoBoy:
To me, the Nexus One was EOLed the day Google stopped selling the assessors. I was really put off by the fact that I lost the ability to buy the dock, and down right ticked off that I can't buy a spare battery directly from them anymore. The HTC store doesn't sell them to Canadians either.

It was a real middle finger to a lot of us, and I doubt I'll buy another Nexus phone... though I don't even have the option to anymore.

If I had the cash, I'd buy a Desire Z tonight. Love the phone.
[Nexus One General] bengrulz:
why i would leave the nexus one:

terrible digitizer (really, it handles multitouch exactly the same as the g1... what was htc thinking?!)

pentile pixels, effing jaggies. and oleds burn in.

****ty capacitive buttons

terrible loudspeaker

battery could be better

vibration could be stronger

why i won't get the nexus s:

its basically 6 month old hardware

still OLED (pentile)

no notification light

no microsd card (why the eff not?)

samsungs poor track record (remember how they shafted behold II owners?)

curved glass may break easier and it probably is harder/more expensive to replace on your own

toy-like build

other things i'd really like to see in my next phone (assuming all my above issues are satisfied):

xenon flash!

higher than 800x480 resolution (and no ****ing pentile!)

higher than vga front facing camera

dual core processor

more than 512mb ram

more than 1gb just for apps

stock android
[Nexus One General] liam.lah:
If they sell the HTC desire in Canada, get one of those, they are identical to the N1 Battery.
[Nexus One General] jamesfrom818:
I already replaced my N1 with a G2. Now, I just use the N1 as a mini e-reader when I'm on the couch and in bed. I mainly use it for Google Reader, Books, and reading manga. It also doubles as a secondary MP3 player to my 1st gen iPod Touch.

If the N1 gets CM 7 first though, I'm popping the SIM card back in until its out for the G2.
[Nexus One General] josemedina1983:
Funny I dump my hd2 for the nexus one i could of gotten the nexus s but i didn't feel it was worth upgrading my plan and been stuck for two years. I was better off paying 295.00 for my n1 and have a free contract. Now i don't know if i should sell my beloved hd2.
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
I think there is a very good reason for this.

Two SD cards (one "internal" and one "real") are the real mess from the architectural point of view.

While it is not a problem for us geeks, it adds an additional twist of complexity to all of the applications. Like asking "where do you want to save your data: internal, the other internal or external memory?". Why on earth should the user answer such stupid questions?

You would basically slip back to the old mess of the DOS/Windows. While it is easy to comprehend current android scheme (internal and removable), try to explain someone what's the purpose of the C:, D: and E:? You simply can't apart of saying "it's the way it is because earlier...".

Samsung's hack to mount external SD inside of the internal SD is fairly unlogical and I am glad that goog did not establish this as a standard.

Currently, under android you basically have 2 clearly defined standard locations: internal and external. So the devs can choose one or another depending on the nature of the data. Like "mp3 collection goes to external removable" and "state database goes to internal".

The only meaningful (to me at least) solution would be to declare the whole 16G as internal memory and then add the SD card slot.
[Nexus One General] charnsingh_online:
FYI android is more than just internal/external. Like C, D, E android has system, data, cache etc partitions. Adding an SDCARD slot wont mess up anything. Now u have 2 External Storages and u can store to any. It can be as easy as filling one of the memory first. I think samsung stuff was >>>>> than Googles implementation. I would love to expand my memory. I just ordered a 32gb card cuz 16gb is finished for me. 16gb is no big memory for u r phone now. Out of 16gb 2gb given to data, ur left with 13 something gb onboard. That imo isnt much. 4gb of music, 3 gb if game data, some videos, some Android Backup stuff, and bam ur over with 16gb, u have no where to go. A 10 min 720p video is over 3-400 mb for me so no expandable memory isnt good enough
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
Yes it will.

As developer or as user I have nothing to do with all those partitions. It is an internal stuff, I just ask the OS to provide location for certain type of data and that's it as far as I am concerned.

Like Environment.getDataDirectory() for stuff which is vital and should permanently be there (settings for example) and Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory() for something which can be shared and can disappear at any given moment. And so on.

Now, if you introduce several locations of the same type then as a consequence, each and every application needs to ask the user which one should be used. Most users would have no idea, like "uh, why are you asking?". And frankly it is just a cumbersome experience with no real gain.

You wouldn't be happy with such a solution since you would need to fill your internal card first just to be able to write something to the second external card.

You can't be a little bit pregnant. You either offer consistent storage location management through all the applications (and make everyone handle added complexity) or organize things in such a way, that user is not required to choose something he usually is not interested in. Imagine at the hotel: Sir, which color of towel you would like to use, red or green? How big, 130 or 133cm? Folded as 1/4 or as triangle? :)

I am all for the freedom of choice where it actually provides some added value. The burden it carries should be worth it. And I am currently not convinced, that I would profit from a "internal non removable SD Card" as it is currently offered by the samsung.

It is either external which I can exchange/expand (and this is my added value) or internal allowing to maintain device state even with a new external card.

No problem, you can easily expand your memory, just add the slot for removable cards. But just only for ONE card, not 2.
[Nexus One General] mikeacela:
True. I plan to keep my Nexus 1 at least until a duel core "Nexus" is released by HTC. I just wish they didn't cost $529 when the parts value is under $200, But of coarse that is without contract
[Nexus One General] michaelg117:
What is dual core?

sent from my awesome phone that is the best that no one elses phone could ever live up to(vibrant) on ze app
[Nexus One General] wondercoolguy:
Google it!
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
Yeah but the settings menu is not part of the launcher and it was smoother on the nexus one. In fact most menus were smoother. But there's been some discussion that its only because certain things have not yet been optimized for hummingbird CPU combo. The browser demonstrates this, nexus one is way smoother on certain types of pages. Samsung has a patch for this but It's only been given to the galaxy s line, nexus s hasn't yet got it.
[Nexus One General] Drew11:
I plan on switching to Verizon because sometime in Q1 perhaps they are releasing the HTC incredible HD which looks awesome, and it hasn't been announced yet but it will most likely have a dual core processor!! I'm very excited!
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
$10 bucks says its the same 1 GHz 2nd gen qualcomm that the Desire HD has.

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[Nexus One General] tameracingdriver:
Well I already jumped - to the iphone 4. I still feel they are more polished than any android phone, run faster and smoother, has a better screen, better camera, superior battery life, better sound quality and much better games. As I've decided these are the areas that are most important to me, the iphone is a no brainer.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Glad you found the one that is best for you :)

For me the important things are:

1. Free Google maps navigation

2. More than 2gb of data per month without extra charges

3. User replaceable battery

4. SuperAMOLED sunlight visibility

5. Bigger screen than 3.5'

6. Android customization

7. More than one choice of product

8. More than one choice of carrier

9. Ability to pay less than $65/mo for 5gb of data

10. Emulators freely available to play real games (Zelda, Metroid, etc)

11. Tethering built into android for free

To each his own ;)
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
1. True, love Google Maps waaay better than the one on the iPhone.

2. Can't argue there.

3. I get a ton of battery life on the iPhone 4, more than the Nexus One or EVO and enough not to necessitate a extra battery.

4. SAMOLED improves on AMOLED's terrible sunlight visibility which is still bad compared to the IPS/LCD.

5. Preference thing but the iPhone 4's resolution is just way better.

6. Jailbreak and you can customize, it's not like you don't root.

7. True but at the same time you can't complain too much when the one model they have competes for best overall product every year.

8. True but Verizon is just around the corner which could also alleviate #2.

9. Can't argue with this and Verizon wont help.

10. See #6

11. Built into the Nexus One (don't know about the S but probably that too, maybe a very few other phones) but overall you have to root which is equivalent to jail breaking the iPhone for tethering.

Just my view as a dual iPhone 4 and Android (N1, EVO) user.
[Nexus One General] Haplodroid:
It's hardly at end of life, it's running very fast and doing great with 2.3 there really isn't anything the N1 can't do besides 4g. I won't be upgrading for another year.
[Nexus One General] krabman:
As usual I will upgrade when the next thing comes along. Hasnt happened yet. The key word is upgrade I suppose. Right now there is nothing which I percieve as a real upgrade. This might change after the upcoming announcements but for now I am in no way feeling outgunned with the N1.
[Nexus One General] JHaste:
My n1 is going to stay until a solid slew of dual core phones come out since they are going to provide many of the features i am interested in...

-hdmi out with 1080p playback

-front facing camera

-vanilla android 2.3 or 2.4/3.0 whatever google freaking decides on lol

-strong external speaker

-BT 3.0

-3.7-4.0inch screen... 4.3 is too big...

-LED screen w/o that pentile crap...

-N1 build quality

-32 or 64gigs of internal space or 32gb plus a card slot

-quality touch screen... its the one thing on the N1 that drives me nuts

-removable battery... dont let an apple fall on your head and give you cell phone makers any stupid ideas... pun intended

-some sort of dock support, Apple went the smart route with their all inclusive port

Ideally I would like to be able to take my phone and hdmi hook it to my computer monitor (which has an hdmi port) and then maybe even dock the phone to a keyboard and mouse (BT3.0?) and use it like a computer, work on some school documents/projects and maybe even do a bit of gaming on... I think that would be pretty sick if my phone could become a legitimate portable computer if it just needed to be docked with a monitor and kb/m
[Nexus One General] kindiboy:
Not gonna change it till google deliver the next nexus this one is not really that much of an upgrade over the N1.