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[myTouch 4G General] viper3ez:
well sir, maybe some of us noobs got tired of not being able to use any apps over wifi on our blackberry without data a blackberry plan and bought an android phone so we can have more freedom.

maybe some of us noobs are diving into rooting so we can use setpcu and squeeze more than the stock 2 hour heavy use we get from a stock MT4G

maybe some of us want to learn more about the system but we ask so many questions because we dont know where to get VISIONary plus since its no longer in the market place.

i dunno about other noobs but a thread with links to what to read to learn more is way more beneficial to me than this one telling me to stay out the circle of android trust.

perhaps you are the one who thinks being rooted is "cool"?(no disrespect meant)

some of us do really want to learn and we appreciate every help and every answer we get to our questions from you veterans.

so please have a little patience and/or noob tolerance. someday we'll learn and stop asking the same question that had been answered a doze times already
[myTouch 4G General] CBConsultation:
A simple Google search turned up 302,000 for Visionary. Maybe if you stopped and thought before you posted you might have better results.

Again, this thread wasn't meant to hurt anyone's sensitive feelings [as it seems it has]. It was meant to deter new members/rookies from diving into something before they learned it. Obviously with the new breed of youngsters these days that just isn't the case. Common sense seems to have taken a back door to rushed gratification. Intelligent strategy is how many of us learned, not jumping in and screwing things up.

By jumping in and messing things up, you not only make things harder on yourselves but waste our time helping with things that have been answered a thousand times and a simple search would have taught you that.

As with anything in life, you need to 'learn' before you do something. Cognitive retention is key to mastering anything.

Your logic of diving in without thought or regard for yourself or others that will end up helping you is almost insulting. You will find that many of the longtime users/devs/veterans here enjoy helping people who take precautions and want to help themselves. But almost none of them/us really care to help those who jump blindly.

JMHO. Take it however you like. And you don't need to take it from me; just try and get help in here when you do something dumb and see how much help you get from senior members.
[myTouch 4G General] bastage:
I don't know what you did there, but I just did a simple google search for Visionary and got "About 9,880,000 results (0.11 seconds)"

Maybe your google fu is weak or something..

On another note back on topic, I couldn't disagree more with your OP.. As a newb I think diving right in is the best thing to do to learn.. I Can read a wiki for hours about a phone, but that doesn't give you the same experience of 10 minutes hands on does..

My biggest suggestion to a newb to this **** is dont start with a high end device.. Buy a HTC Wizard or Excalibur off craigslist & play with & tweak them 1st.. Then maybe a g1 or something.. That way if you do **** up & brick your device your not toast..

IMHO there is no better way to learn something then to do it.. But also when you have problems, don't think your unique & that nobody has ever posted your question before, Search for it 1st & then only post asking for help if you cant find it..
[myTouch 4G General] jjjackson56:
And search further then the first page.
[myTouch 4G General] Whosdaman:
I think I'll leave it in here, maybe even sticky it later
[myTouch 4G General] DaMaceMan:
CB, while I can understand your frustration I believe your attitude could be seen as elitist.

I think that perhaps what we should be doing is trying to come up with a root cause solution that might work instead of telling people not to try something like rooting. As another poster implied, it's not that people shouldn't be rooting, but that they shouldn't be asking questions for which there are already answers.

This seems like the problem you're trying to address, not the problem of someone rooting their phone or not.

So let's put aside the discussion of how one learns and who has the right to root and focus on the issue of "inappropriate" posts.

Does that sound like a reasonable alternative?

Hopefully whatever comes out of this discussion could be used to improve the forum experience for everyone.

I should mention that I'm not really sure this thread should be in the dev section of the forum... Seems more like general discussion since the OP is more of an ideological opinion piece at this point.
[myTouch 4G General] XfooYen:
OP, does your soapbox come with a salad? Someone likes to hear himself talk...sheesh.

Swyped on my rooted MyTouch4G
[myTouch 4G General] stoneyjonez:
As much as I HATE blackberries, I have to correct you. You do NOT need a data feature to use web over wifi on a Blackberry. How the hell would that make sense, seriously? But yes keep in mind, I am still not a BB fan lol, hate those pieces of crap.
[myTouch 4G General] teamsilence:
yo

so im not cool?
[myTouch 4G General] CBConsultation:
You're still cool in my book. :cool:
[myTouch 4G General] grankin01:
Your the bee's knees! Lol
[myTouch 4G General] jjjackson56:
Your so cool your like an iced glacier.
[myTouch 4G General] kemp509:
Good lord, does anyone here actually have the time to go through 302.000 pages? Maybe I am the only one who has kids and a wife, but I know I don't have time to take a freaking computer programing course to teach myself how to use freaking cmnd lines. The crap I have seen on different forums that walk people through different rooting procedures on different phones acts as though everyone know WTF they are doing and/or has the time to spend hours a day learning. Guess what? Not everyone does. I spend hours a day teaching people the basics of how to use their phones and I have to give directions my grandmother could follow, is it to much to ask for detailed instruction that someone who has a very basic understanding of how to use these phones could follow? I don't think so. If you "seniors" could realize that you aren't cooler because you know what you are doing, and did the responsible thing and shared your knowledge without *****ing, moaning, and complaining about n00bs, you could help more n00bs become 'seniors' themselves and have more people out there able to help others.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LukeSP:
I try to port Axt9IME.apk from DXJPA to use in Darky 6 XXJPX but after I try to use the keyboard, it just force closes.

I already copy libXt9core.so and libDHWR.so to /system/lib but it doesn't help.
[Focus General] Frank_Toronto:
Hi, I have yet to find a way to prevent the screen from powering down in my Samsung Focus. I have it set to 5 minutes but with a charger attached, I really should be able to keep the screen on if I need it... which I do.

A simple setting: "Never" would work. I am old enough to establish my battery usage :p

Am I missing something here? With Android, this option was available in the Development settings.

Thanks
[Focus General] krjcook:
maybe there's not an option for that yet. Just set your display settings to never and force timeout yourself by clicking the power button?
[Focus General] action_efn_jackson:
you have the option to set it to never but that option goes away when you are charging? did you set your phone up to an exchange server? i know when i did mine the never option went away.
[Focus General] Frank_Toronto:
Whoa.. where is this "Never" option you guys are referring to?

I go to Settings > Lock & Wallpaper > Screen Time Out = 5 Minutes (Which is the max setting) Other choices are 30 Sec., 1 Min and 3 Min.

Thanks for the replies!
[Focus General] nrfitchett4:
must be a samsung thing. My hd7 has a never option.
[Focus General] rexian:
Ouch! So that was something the manufacturers could change and Samsung screwed it up. 'Never' option makes a lot of sense.
[Focus General] Frank_Toronto:
:( That is deeply disappointing. Is it something that can be altered via an update?
[Focus General] The Gate Keeper:
i'm afraid i have to disagree... i have a HTC 7 Trophy and have teh same options as listed by Frank.
[Focus General] nrfitchett4:
samsung is making some kick ass hardware these days but still has a lot to be desired on the software front.

Maybe it will be in an update, but I doubt it.
[Focus General] Frank_Toronto:
Major oversight IMO and one that I will voice to Samsung.
[Focus General] Mr.Kakarot:
My screen still turns off, even when using the gps. LaME
[Focus General] Frank_Toronto:
Exactly! I have been looking into this more and it seems the developers can code something to prevent this from happening with their apps.

Hopefully someone will develop something to allow the screen to stay on (I will pay), or maybe one of you uber-wise experts will find a backdoor setting.
[Focus General] bozzaj:
Never option is only available if you're not using a password. Turn the password option on, the never option isn't available. At least that's how it works on my Quantum.
[Focus General] sensboston:
Yesterday, after playing with Samsung "Diagnosis" software, somehow I've got "Never" option set.
[Focus General] Frank_Toronto:
Sweet.. care to share the intel? :)
[Focus General] wspaw:
Never have NEVER

I never have the NEVER option on my Focus.
[Focus General] rexian:
Nah, I don't have a password, still no 'never'.

Do you remember what you did there?
[Focus General] OGCF:
That's bizarre. I have a Focus also and I never knew other phones had a Never option for screen timeout. Maybe Samsung was concerned about the Super AMOLED's effects on battery life?
[Focus General] sensboston:
Sorry, nope. But I wish so!.. For development it's very useful option. BTW, it's possible - 100% proof. So, we just need to figure out how to...

P.S. Fortunately, I also have HTC Surround handset for development (stays on forever)

P.P.S. FYI: I've played (mostly) with *#0*#...
[Focus General] Frank_Toronto:
Well thanks for the effort sensboston! Hopefully you can crack the code. FWIW I called Samsung in Canada (went nowhere) and posted the question on Samsung.com (waiting for it to get approved)

Cheers!
[Focus General] Frank_Toronto:
Still waiting on Samsung for a reply... sigh. Anyone make any progress in the diagnostic serttings?

I am beginning to think this is my own personal crusade..lol
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
+1

Sent from my SGH-i917 using Board Express
[Focus General] nrfitchett4:
didn't samsung recently update the diagnostics on their phones (changing the code)???
[Focus General] The Gate Keeper:
the update only disabled the audio hack, that's all.
[Focus General] stillriza:
I was using the GPS and only way to keep the screen on was to tap it every few minutes. what a pain.
[Focus General] Frank_Toronto:
Well at least they have acknowledged it as an issue:

http://answers.us.samsung.com/answers/7463/product/SGH-I917/samsung/questions.htm?expandquestion=318356

Seems like a bit of a "form" answer. Time will tell!
[Focus General] sumorabbit:
I'm terribly sorry for digging this topic out of the bowels of history, but I seem to have found the answer.

I posted it on WPCentral, and I'll summarize it here (can't post a link as a super-noob, haha, oh well) rather than copy and paste the whole thing.

Basically, Focus v1.3, running the 8107 update loaded from the LG Vodafone registry switch trick.

WP7 Root Tools

Local machine

Control Panel

Edit value called "DisableNever" to a value of 0 rather than 1. Save, reboot.

You now have options of 15 minutes, 30 minutes, and Never added to your lock timeout drop down menu in settings.

I have no idea if I "discovered" this or not. Frankly, I don't care. But if someone else posted about this tweak before I did, they deserve whatever credit is due.
[Focus General] sumorabbit:
Well, it would appear someone figured this out a while back. But it didn't get anything for publicity. I finally found instructions similar to mine above here on xda, but I was on my phone and foolishly believed I'd remember to post about it when I got home yesterday. I can't post a link in my 'junior' state, which is fine, but if you search around the web, there is at least one xda thread (from a long time ago I think) that mentions the reg value that I did and what to change/what you'll get by changing it.

The thread had like 3 replies, an I'm sure sunk beyond the first page awfully fast. Which I think is odd since I am aware of quite a few Focus owners that make it known that they're displeased by the auto-lock. Maybe they just happen to be the type who doesn't bother unlocking their phones, I'm not sure.

But, consider my "discovery" simply a reminder that this is possible, and as far as I know, safe to try. No guarantee though, i can't say that it won't hurt someone's phone in some way I haven't considered, etc.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bkastel1:
Hello all,

first to all who will say I must read the forum for problem solving - I did but from all the info out there it was simply too much. So I decided to start a thread in the hope that somebody will be able to help me.

So I have a corrupted nv_data.bin in my /efs folder but I still have backup of this file. But only this file.... I know - totaly dumb... I installed new JPX and after trying to change the product code from KOR to MOT (Slovenia) I accidentaly deleted nv_data.bin. I of course tried to replace it thru Astro Mate (I did had rooted phone - Darky's 6.0 was working fine ) but everytime I tried copiing this file tt didn't copy actualy - It said copied but the old file remained there - I know this because the Productcode didn't change. So I deleted the file thinking that this will help and tried to copy again. To my bad luck it didn't. I tried to copy and everytime a new file was created instead. also renaming a bakup file in this folder was not succesfule - it said Fald to rename file nv_data.bak. Since then my SIM card is not recognized and when I check what Baseband version I have it it written Unknown. So I tried even with ADB Shell, use busybox and when I eneter cp /sdcard/nv_data.bin /efs it says Now enough free space??? So I don't know anymore what to do. Does somebody have an idea what I can try to solve this? Please please please? I will donate to the one who helps me saving my SGS.

Thanks,

Borut
[Galaxy S I9000 General] supercurio:
Hi !

This is because the file is used by the system.

Safest method:

- Reboot into recovery (make sure you have root in recovery)

- do what do need to do in recovery

- Reboot in normal state

In recovery phone / baseband / RIL are not started.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bkastel1:
so you mean when I boot in recovery i can copy the file using adb shell? Or how do you mean I can do what I must do?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TheNikkoMan:
I have done it before while the phone is on, but you have to enter flight mode, set the correct owner and rights and reboot afterwards.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bkastel1:
Well, regarding ownership and stuff like that - I'm a tootal noob:eek:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Gotmtdew:
Help please NV_Data.BIN

I know this isn't the place to post this but I have been trying since yesterday afternoon can't figure out where I should post it to I keep getting an error that due to spam I can't post to certain areas without having 10 posts.

Please help -

I am not sure what to do now. I changed the rom on my phone to put 2.2 on it a while back. I never saved any of the files because I was not aware to. Now I am trying to go back to stock already used the one click Odin program and I have the original stock firmware on it. But when I try to update via kies mini it will not show up. I have searched And found multiple postings related to the fact that the product id and imei could be incorrect and you would need the original nv_data.bin file. I have searched through windows explorer on the phone but can't seem to locate one. Is there any way that I can get a copy of the original folder for /efs/nv_data.bin and any other files that are needed?

I have the Samsung Captivate on AT&T currently running 2.1

BaseBand: I897UCJF6

Kernel Version: 2.6.29 jetaek.lee@sep-11 #2

Build number: ECLAIR
[Galaxy S I9000 General] JJEgan:
You need to check your IMEI matches your original .

You have stock rom stock as in not the network supplied firmware that came with the phone ..

Windows explore is no good you need something like root explorer .#

I can get a copy of the original folder for /efs/nv_data.bin and any other files that are needed? Not unless you saved them they are phone specific .

Worth doing a factory reset before you make any step as that may solve your problem .

jje
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Gotmtdew:
how do I check the original imei? I didn't backup the files as I was not advised to in the information I found online at the time (couple months back). I have done a factory reset via the phone (privacy settings) a couple times now and still when I plug into kies it tells me Unregistered device.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] fahrenheit451:
This is very simple to fix if you have nv_data.bak in the EFS folder.

If that file is present then you can safely delete nv_data.bin and reboot the phone.

A new nv_data.bin will be generated.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Gotmtdew:
how do i know if I have nv_data.bak? where on the phone would I find it and how?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] fahrenheit451:
It should be in the efs folder (unless you've done something to delete it). As said by JJEgan, you will need root explorer. Navigate to it in the efs folder and copy it to the external sd card and then keep it safe somewhere.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] JJEgan:
how do I check the original imei?

Its on the box and or with the receipt .

jje
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VizardIchigo:
I having been searching for a solution for about 2 weeks....

At this current moment I am running Frost Rom 3.3.1 w/ stock kernel, but as soon as I flash a custom kernel or Frost Rom 3.4 my camera/camcorder seizes to work.... I know for a fact this has to do with the custom kernel due to the fact that I have tried about three different kernels and all have the same camera/camcorder issue. Any word on when this might be fix, just wondering since I havent found anything relating this issue.

Was also wondering if anyone is having similar issues with hboot 2.02 and on - hardware verions 003 and on?

Currently have my evo rooted s-off. Thanks for the help for those who reply! XD
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sword.Zero:
you must have an evo with the newer camera, currently HTC hasn't released the newer kernel which supports the new camera drivers

So till we get that, you're in the same boat as others :(.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] david279:
I have the same problem. How do we check what type of camera we have?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VizardIchigo:
Thanks for the reply.... wish they would just release it already, but thats okay I am always willing for the wait. I just love the AOSP roms, when flashing one of the AOSP I get no camera/camcorder issue. Thanks for the reply really appreciate that.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VizardIchigo:
The way you check what hardware verison is through menu-->settings-->about phones-->hardware information-->hardware version.... Hope that helps determine the version you have.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leenypost:
If your phone originally came with hboot 2.02 I believe you have the new camera... Quite honestly though, the easiest way to tell is by doing what you have already done. Flashing a custom kernal and having your camera not work is an instant sign you have the new camera version. Some late made HW003 phones and all HW004 phones have the new camera built in.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] david279:
Well I got the new cam then....come on htc with that new source.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dis_dj_sin:
**sigh**...i feel I have a special case with my phone. I swear when I first got the phone and checked my hardware, it said 004 and I was on hboot 2.02. I rooted the phone and flashed a custom rom that had a custom kernel ( just for kicks ) and I didnt lose my camera or camcorder which is great. The only issue is....my hardware now says 003 :confused: I'm soo tempted to flash a customer recovery but i want to know what makes the partitions different.

also does anyone know how to physically check for your hardware #?

I love that my phone is trying to be different lol but I cant find anyone that this exact dilemma
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jerdog:
Your HW version can't change itself. If it says HW 003, you have 003. But if it came with 2.02 hboot then you have the new camera hardware. Are you able to go back to a custom ROM without a custom kernel? That'd be the quickest way to tell if your camera starts working.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigj225:
Until HTC releases the new source code for the new kernel if your evo came with hboot 2.02 or higher u can only use the stock kernel and keep your camera
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AdamHart612:
It has to do with production date of your phone I would guess and hardware version. The different camera module is definitely NOT guaranteed with hboot 2.02+, as I recently received an hboot 2.02 phone as a replacement and cams work fine on AOSP based roms.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VizardIchigo:
Thats truly odd... I had recieved my evo on 12/02/10 and currently have hboot 2.02 w/ hardware version 0003, now when I use an AOSP rom like cyanogenmod 6.1 or evervolv etc. my camera/camcorder doesnt work.... AOSP allows everything to work perfectly fine w/o any issues except for camera/camcorder as well as 4g (which 4g is not a big deal since I dont use it much). Wish I could at least use one of the AOSP roms available w/o the camera issue.... I could give up 4g as long as it is not permanent. Thanks for the info.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] david279:
The aosp roms we use today are built from source. The kernels are built from a htc source that came out before they started using this new camera on the Evo. That is why its essential for them to release a new kernel source with updated camera drivers. Until then we're stuck.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VizardIchigo:
I know its a kernel issue... and I am willing to wait, just wish I could use one w/o the camera issue thats all.....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dis_dj_sin:
my camera never stopped working and i'm 100% positive that my hardware stated 004 because i was comparing to another Evo which was 003. I use a special recovery that has a hack for the ps3 which can only be used on the 003 hardware as of right now. now my hardware spec says 003.

Is there a way to tell on the phone itself (maybe underneath the battery cover) what hardware its running on?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VizardIchigo:
bump bump bump
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Team_Jacko:
When I bought my phone it was hardware version 0004 and now it says 0003. I rooted with unrevoked and have flashed various roms including, warm 2.2, cm6, fresh, 5-6 cm7 nightlys, and various kernels and themes. I am not having any issues with my camera but my earphone on the device sounds like it is blown, which might be the case. However, I was wondering if this discrepancy in software and hardware would have any influence on my audio or anything else for that matter.

Thanks
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jbwood:
My EVO also said 0004 when I first got it. I'm sure because I wrote down all information before rooting. Then I rooted and tried different ROM's, Kernel's and recoveries. Now it says it is ver 0003.