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[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I honestly don't know how they are going to get out of their tricky situation. You are absolutely right, WP7 isn't a magical solution, it won't help them in the low end, and heck, it may not help them in the high end either - at this point it's not at all clear whether it'll ever take off for real. There are lots of reasons to be skeptical.

One thing to keep in mind, however, is that Nokia didn't build their market share and their brand and all that in smartphones. I haven't used a Nokia phone for years, but before I got my first HTC/Qtek thingie I did have a Nokia "dumb"phone. And another one before that. I wasn't loyal to Nokia, I didn't care about brands, software didn't mean almost anything at that time, but I chose their phones because they were the best for me - I liked the way they looked, felt, I liked their screens, better, they were thin - whatever it was that I was thinking, I don't remember exactly. Those phones also weren't cheap. But millions upon millions of people bought them. Or you can think about the pre-iPhone megahit, Motorola Razr. It wasn't about its operating system. I think that we are getting a little carried away by the whole WP vs WM vs Android vs whatever scene - at the end of the day, people by phones, not licenses in this market.

I think that mobile manufacturers can make great hardware - that's what they are supposed to do. What's changed since those times is that software also has to be great on those phones in order for them to sell well. So if a company like Nokia can make great hardware and great software - awesome. If it can make great hardware but is struggling with software - I think it may be better for them if they don't spread themselves too thin and have partners do the work where they have difficulty to excel. That, I think, may lead to greater results. And the dumbphone era showed that yes, it is possible to differentiate in hardware and design. Also, alliances don't need to last forever. They can learn a lot in a partnership but it's not a Catholic marriage or something. Look at HTC, for example, they used their WM experience in Android quite well.

Another point is that in countries like the US low-end smartphones just don't make a lot of sense because of heavy carrier subsidies. LG is learning the lesson - they are giving money away by making cheap phones, carriers simply swallow all that money. And the US seems to be Nokia's most desirable market, right? They are being attacked everywhere, but high end is where they are struggling most of all, as far as I understand, so it might make sense for them to focus on this first - and having successful high end products also helps sell lower tier ones.

We'll see. I'm still skeptical that it will happen (or at least that it will happen in the form of full-scale "switching" to WP7, long-term irrevocable commitments and all such stuff).
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I am not sure but I suspect Nokia wouldn't just take WP7 as it is without possibility of deep customizing it. Just like SE...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well, I certainly hope that the fact that SE is a sick joke in the Android world will be a lesson for them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Why do you think this way actually, about SE?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ 9 million Android devices sold last quarter, a joke? That's 3 times all the WP7 devices combined.
[Windows Phone 7 General] martoto:
Nokia sold more smartphones than that and still is in fire. SE is a joke because of the broken user experience. They didn't manage to bring a proper user satisfaction with their buggy customization, a huge android version lag and absurd upgrade path.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
They have a terrible reputation for OS upgrades. It sounds like they are starting to get more serious though. For the most part, Sony phones and their software have been lacking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Yes, I meant poor experience, lags and also the fact that they can't do anything on time. They may have all kinds of issues of course, but it's a safe bet to say that one reason is that software is a difficult business.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chekuhakim:
So, there will be a nokia specific thread in xda-dev at last.
[Windows Phone 7 General] matejdro:
Check out the picture that is floating around the internet http://images.dailymobile.se/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/image_thumb212.jpg

Anyway, i don't like that much. I remember nokia as software and hardware company. Now they ended software part and became like HTC, Samsung, Motorola and other bunch of companies that makes mostly hardware.

They have chosen closed WP7 over open Meego. that sucks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
Are you taking bets on this? If so, I want in on the action. I'll bet any amount you want that there will be a Nokia Windows Phone by this time next year.

Nokia brings a lot more to the table than HTC or Samsung. They're dedicated to the platform over Android, their mapping database and points of interest are critical for improving Bing worldwide, their manufacturing output is an order of magnitude better than anyone else's, they support more languages than anyone else, and they have existing agreements in place with carriers worldwide for buying apps without credit cards. With all that pulled into the Windows Phone platform, it's much more compelling worldwide and Nokia gets a foot in the door in the US where nobody supported Symbian.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
They wont do squat with WP7 but make a mediocre device and that's it. They will just get in line with the other OEMs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bob_bipbip:
lol, ye good old debate, winmo7 vs android ....

but you just forgot one thing. nokia had maemo, wich kick all phone os, including winmo7 and android. the "hub" thing with with winmo7 is nothing compare to "desktop widget" maemo offers.....

even maemo ""app store"" is bigger than winmo7 ""app store""

in fact, now, nokia is just another oem makers, like htc ....

ps: i went from an old htc blue angel to a nokia n900 ....
[Windows Phone 7 General] Trekfan422991:
im sorry guys.. i have to disagree with the majority of these comments...

THIS IS GONNA BE HUGE...

this is a game changer for WP7 and NOKIA...

The reliability of both these products and the quiality associated with the brands will mean great success for both companies..

i expected WP7 to completely drop out of the race... until now that is...

Nokia can easily churn out device after device getting more WP7 phones out there...

alot of people say well WP7 isnt selling wel so they have significantly dropped in price...

but there drop in price will help people who are unfamiliar with them decide to investigate or purchase it..

which will turn WP7 in to a Huge Competitor for Android and iOS

as far as Webos is crap...

and Rim will never die...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ut0p1a:
You are talking about the past! We are not dealing with Winmo anymore. We are dealing with Windows Phone 7 and Nokia. Win-Win dynamic duos.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
It's a win for Microsoft and loss for Nokia.

MS views the partnership as a three horse race, but for Nokia it becomes a 7 horse race within the 3 horse race of MS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ycavan:
I think the most significant thing for Nokia is that MS has given them carte blanche on modifications to the internals of wp7. So it'll be up to Nokia to change up wp7 or not. ie, if SOMEONE @ nokia is reading what short-comings are posted here, *multi-tasking* *cough**cough* Nokia could make a device that allows it. I'm sure HTC would have loved this before writing up a seperate app to kinda replace the start menu.
[Windows Phone 7 General] djfoo000:
What I understand is that what Nokia needs now is a revival. Making WP7 will not achieve that. WP7 does not offer variation in terms of tech specs, and this will severely limit the amount of 'different' phones that can make with WP7. Look at HTC. I don't see a difference in their 3 WP7 phones. Ok one is a slate, one has a slide-out KB, one has a slide-out speaker. They're all pretty identical in terms of internals.

Android offers just that flexibility to churns out phones fit for different markets. But it's a topic for another day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] red_hanks:
I've been a Nokia user since 1999, used to have a Nokia 5110 (my first wireless phone)...I'm excited about this. Nokia hardware are very reliable, batteries has better life and more. Looking forward for the first ever Windows Nokia Phone. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
You realize that you might not see a Nokia WP7 device until this time around next year.

Sent from my Bionix powered Vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] baam2k:
this is good news .

and i thing this deal could be a verry huge step forward for both.

nokia has good hardware and ms has the good software .

most people here tend to forget that phones are not only made for tweakers .

people that saying ms is bull**** are just plain dumb .

microsoft dont care bout small percentage of tweakers who are screaming that android is better .

microsoft is clever they think about the 98 procent of the people that dont care what os is on a phone .

those people just take the phone out of the box and it works how it is .

they dont tweak stuff they dont care and soem event dont know what os is on their phone.

and thats why microsoft and nokia make more money then the tweakers that are here saying its a bad deal

remember that .

besides that wp7 is a good stable os .

and nokia has good hardware

so what can be wrong about this deal anyway/
[Windows Phone 7 General] bob_bipbip:
"windows phone 7" is just winmo6 minus copy/past, minus mutli-config (ms dictate the hardware), minus app catalog (there is not much app, in fact, less than winmo6).

the only plus is the wonderful ui and kernel ............

so yeah, i don't eat marketing crap and i call it winmo7.

people don't need another "iphone-like", that's why android is selling like crazy, and not bbos or whatever. winmo7 is just an iphone like, just less close ....

that's why winmo7 do not sell ....

maemo, or meego now is opener than android, so if you are a chinese manufacturer you can put meego on your chinese crap.

if you are a very good manufacturer, as nokia for exemple, you can put it on your phone, and eat android for breakfast ....
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I have a feeling we will see one in under 3 months.
[Windows Phone 7 General] superpeca:
Fantastic!

Microkia has the potential to make market leading devices - Nokia build quality + fantastic Carl Zeiss camera + MS OS that will fully mature by the time they present their first devices.

Never underestimate MS! First, this whole community grew strong by the million thanks to WinMo.Also, a digression with another market in mind is in place - after Sony ruled the console market and MS took off with XBOX, everyone predicted its failure - weaker hardware, less games etc etc. And where are they now...
[Windows Phone 7 General] onkeltje:
Nokia and the GPS are more than others ... you have al the maps for free. That is one of the reasons for me to buy a Nokia .... services.

Sorry for mi bad English.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
If Nokia can provide hardware with high enough quality, it might just give WP7 that needed "Harley Davidson appeal" that the iPhone has. For those non-Americans among us, please don't ask me to explain that "appeal" because I can't. It's just something you have to experience for yourself to understand it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
People who know nothing should not be allowed to post on this forum. Winmo and WP are two entirely different OSes, WP7 was built from the ground up while even the earliest iteration of WM had a foundation in a dumbed down desktop OS. If you truly believe it's winmo in any way then you're incompetent. One was meant to be a PC in your pocket the other is a phone. Android is selling like crazy because you can find it at all price ranges. Even off contract I could go on craigslist right now and buy a G1 for the same price I could buy the most basic Razor. I bought a perfectly functional cliq for my brother for 30 dollars less than 3 weeks ago in good condition. Maemo/meego will never get the support that android or even WP has because it's ugly, it's late to the game, and android also does pretty much everything it does and does most of it better even with how terribly broken android is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] onkeltje:
Hoi,

Sorry for mi bad English...

I am a dummy about smartphones. Is it possible to put WP or Android on een Nokia c6-01?

Or can that not be done because of the hardware?

Sorry its just a question.

Onkeltje.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RufusThorne:
I'm sorry, but you're wrong...

No, it wasn't built from the ground up. It's called Windows Phone 7, but that's nothing to do with Windows 7 (the desktop OS) - it's VERSION 7 of Windows CE

Sure, a ****load has changed, but the Core OS is not very different to CE 6.0

I'm citing my sources here:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/04/windows-phone-7-based-on-a-hybrid-windows-ce-6-compact-7-kerne/

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...oming-soon-is-at-the-core-of-windows-phone-7/

http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-is-based-on-win-ce-7/

http://wmpoweruser.com/cashmere-chelan-the-full-slide-deck/

This is also the same technology that the recently released 'Windows Embedded Compact' is based on. That's a CE core with .NET and Silverlight on top...

"People who know nothing should not be allowed to post on this forum."
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
If you are building a new car, and use the same engine as a Camaro, that would not make the new car a Camaro.

An Operating System is more than a kernel. It's an entire system.
[Windows Phone 7 General] go0gle:
some interesting points regarding the "deal"

some things we’re already familiar with and quite a few things that have stayed behind the scene.

Elop looked into alternatives just a month into the job

Several meetings occurred between Nokia and prospective partners Google and Microsoft (though there were others too not mentioned)

Nokia going with Android would have destroyed Windows Phone’s chances of becoming a serious player. It would have blown Microsoft’s chances of getting traction in the mobile phone market.

Billions of dollars and incentives offered to court Nokia. He was also receiving incredible offers from google. Remember during MWC, Elop said the decision of the final outcome changed SEVERAL times. It wasn’t always a narrow one way lane to Microkia.

Nokia, pressed for time – MS apparently moved more quickly than google to strike an alliance

Google was less willing to use Nokia’s mapping services – Microsoft already uses Navteq maps for Bing

Ballmer flew out to Helsinki on a private jet but due to adverse weather conditions ended up having an early stop, and being forced to go on a commercial airline. This was all “hush hush”, so was very risky. Ballmer’s cover was nearly blown when he was PAGED by name OVER LOUDSPEAKER! Where’s this info from?

Google VP ‘tweetbombed’ prior to the announcement that “two turkeys does not make an eagle” to which Elop replied “Two bicycle makers, from Dayton Ohio, one day decided to fly”. BTW, Since when did being the biggest mobile phone manufacturer make you a Turkey When this was first mentioned by Anssi Vanjoki, what on earth was BenQ and Siemens to the mobile handset world?

Intel CEO said Elop just went with the highest bidder http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aQGFX8PXDlAo

Google CEO said he wished Nokia went Android, and hopes they will do in the future.

from here

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703561604576150502994792270.html
[Click Themes and Apps] Necroduss:
Has anyone tried to run Pocket Legends on Tattoo using Froyo?

I downloaded outdated version so i couldn't get it to run because it said it needed updating and i couldn't find any place to download newest version of Pocket Legends?
[Click Themes and Apps] nikson346:
some textures are no loading and its a bit laggish
[Click Themes and Apps] Necroduss:
For some reason I can't play any 3D game on my Tattoo, not only cause of low fps rate but also some other graphical bugs... Actually also LOT of 2D games also have low fps rate.. Well since u upgraded to 2.3 its somewhat better (about 20%).. Is it me or?
[Click Themes and Apps] kaleun:
The HTC Tattoo hardware does not support 3D. No gpu is present in the chipset...
[Click Themes and Apps] KenuR:
I tried it, the layout looks terrible on tattoo, a lot of textures are missing and the fps isn't great either.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] CARMELHILL:
I wanted to see how an HD movie plays on the G. I tired to play an Apple Quicktime HD Movie trailer and no go. I also tried to play an HD Trailer from Yahoo movies and no go, it said "download failed".

Can the rooted G with TNT 2.4 play HD Quicktime movies? What's the best way for me to test this out?
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] rayden25:
From what I have read, the g-tablet has some very specific requirements for viewing 1080p files. I know for a fact that it will play MP4 H.264 so I just encode everything to that with Total Video Converter.

I haven't tried to play a .mov yet on it. I have a couple that I downloaded from the web that I should try.

Edit:

Just tried a 1080p .mov that I downloaded from youtube. It plays in Rock Player with software decoding, but really bad.

I suggest downloading hd content to a computer and converting to mp4 h.264 because we know that is supported by the tegra hardware.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] CARMELHILL:
I am really disappointed with the quality of video playback on the G Tab. With everyone jiving about the great hardware specs, I don't see great video playback. Unless I don't have it maximized right.

I downloaded a couple of converters and converted movies from mov to mp4, avi, and wmv. I also used Roxio Creator 2009. Nothin greally plays all that great.

What am I missing?
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] bobwagner:
The best converter for the g-tab, in my experience, is Handbrake. I use the built-in Regular-Normal profile and change h.264 to mpeg4 (because tegra 2 has issues with h.264) and it plays completely smoothly at 720p and 1080p.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] roebeet:
It plays .mov containers - the Tron Legacy trailers come to mind.

It has some trouble with mkv's and mulitple audio tracks, and HiDef h264 videos that are encoded in "high profile". That's been my experience.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] WickedStyx:
There's no video player (that I know of anyway) at the moment that is designed to take advantage of the tegra2 hardware. Once there is it will fly. The G Tab doesn't seem to support a lot of codecs as well.

I've had success playing 720p x264 MKV's up to 4GB with Rockplayer and ES Video Player.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] CARMELHILL:
Excellent. Thanks everyone for the input. I'll check some of these tonight.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] CARMELHILL:
Thanks. This converter works great.
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] WickedStyx:
Well that didn't take long: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=881835 - Rockplayer 1.5.x (Tegra 2 optimisations)
[G Tablet Themes and Apps] rayden25:
Has anyone sucessfully played a 1080p video?

I have tried mpeg4, mkv and h.264 and they play but the sync is off and they are very choppy.

According to Nvidia's website the Tegra 2 is supposed to have an on-chip h.264 decoder and encoder on it. But nothing seem to take advantage of it. Even the new Rockplayer with the Tegra 2 Optimization.

If anyone can let me know how you encoded 1080p to play on your tab I would be greatful.

EDIT:

For anyone else looking, I got 1080p to work on mine with Rockplayer 1.51 and hardware decoding. I donwloaded a youtube/vevo 1080p video and ran it through Handbrake. Normal profile, MP4 container and MPEG encoding. It plays FULL 1080p very smooth that way.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] froli13:
I was looking for a cheap spare battery for my Captivate and I found this one.

I was just wondering if I would get a significant battery life improvement since the standard battery is 1500mAh.

Thanks in advance for your answers!
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alphadog00:
mathematically you would get about 10% more run time. Not much else information.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManuWKK89:
what he said.

say your 1500 mah gets you say, 15 hours, 100% to 0% during "normal usage" rate

if you get a 1600 mah, with the same "normal usage" rate, you'd only get 16 hours.

mah = milliamp/hour

[stock battery] / [hours used] = [new battery] / [hours used] = [ma]/[hours]

[1500 ma] / [15hours] = [1600 ma] / [(x) hours]

x= 16 hours.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManuWKK89:
if you want real improvement, get a 3200 mah, that should more than double it; although i'm not sure if that battery size is the "DOUBLE WIDE" one that needs a new battery cover.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] axis01:
It is considerably thicker.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] froli13:
So I better get another 1550mAh for less than 10$ and swap batteries when the first is dead... I don't want to pay that much for a bad looking 3200mAh battery...

Thanks for your answers guys, I appriciate!
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RocketSled:
Just don't keep the spare battery loose in your pocket with anything that's conductive like coins or keys. LiPo batteries can catch fire if short circuited.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] froli13:
Thanks for the advice!