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[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
It really isn't the same situation. HTC had a very ambitious attempt at Locations and HTCSense.com though we're not the majority target market (even though they're a Taiwanese company) that will force them to update the Philippine map in greater detail.

As for Google navigation, that's working just fine, you can even flash the Maps version that unlocks navigation by default (some Chinese guy cracked it) but the thing about the new generation smartphones is that it greatly depends on the data connection for specific needs such as free navigation and the newer trend; Cloud Music ;)

Now Garmin is a unique app that allows you to use it offline without data connection and just exclusively with the gps chip that is in the phone. It heavily relies on the map in your phone and would need to be updated manually.

Lastly, Android is still very young and Garmin entered WM towards the end of its lifecycle. On top of that, Garmin was also very ambitious in creating their own Garmin Android phone which was good but never really picked up...

There might be some 3rd party apps that could use the custom .img file from Garmin and you could probably ask the devs of the apps you find. Or another option is to consult with the Filipino Map creators/contributors and find a way to convert the map format that will work with HTC's Locations. Or or or, post a question in the General section, I'm positive someone has a solution for it :D

Don't fret. you didn't downgrade, it just so happens that HTC hasn't perfected the offline navigation idea yet and Garmin hasn't released a universal app version for Android (at least not to my knowledge)... :D

I felt the same way too at first coming from an HD2. Especially after seeing that the map coverage in Locations wasn't very helpful at all. Overtime, I was able to see more benefits in Android than the only major benefit in WM6X... There's a solution out there, I'll let you in on it when I find one ;)
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
Thanks Jacob! We'll just have to wait for that then, or when I get my unit, I'll dig deeper and try to find a solution for it. :D

Oh and another thing, do you guys mind if I ask for help in choosing a ROM? Because I'm in a medical course, and when my phone arrives, I'm probably going to be in the middle of a hell lot of schoolwork :( and I need a phone that's reliable, and I will probably only have time to flash a ROM and not try all of them.

I've been reading the ROM threads here and I'm leaning towards Android Revolution. Is that a good ROM? I'm just looking for one that will maximize what my phone could do. I also need a reliable one, I dont want to have to flash a ROM every month. And I want Sense on it. :D

I really appreciate if you guys could help me on this since I'm an Android newbie and I'm still not quite sure how it all works.

Thanks a lot! :)
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Update:

I'm leaning towards recommending TBF, but the thing with TBF is, you'd have to know what you want so you can choose which ones to remove and add. Overall, I'd say that TBF is low maintenance, it doesn't even need a custom kernel. Support is insane and it keeps being updated all the time. That might get in the way of your concentration if you're OC with having the recent updates right away, newer versions come very quickly. If you're okay with playing catch up with the development, say update every other 2 versions then it'll be alright.

I've stuck with RCMixHD Froyo for a long time coming from LD, before moving to any GB builds but it really does get to you and you'd find yourself having ORD more than you can control...

Since I found a home in TBF, I'd recommend V1.1.5, all you need to do is download the Full ROM, read the changelog, put it on your card and flash via CWM after full wipe.[in CWM, not Rom Manager] (assuming you've done the prequel to all these steps like downgrading, rooting, Eng-S OFF etc.)

I have never encountered an FC with TBF in any HTC nor any 3rd party app... Hope it helps :D

Wait for the regulars, they will be better suited to tell you about CD, LD, MDJ and HoneySense... they'll chime in soon enough!
[Desire HD General] tingardz:
Congrats on your new DHD :)

For starters, i would suggest the Android Revolution. Not that it's the best ROM, but it has all the necessary information with regards to rooting your DHD, flashing a ROM, flashing radio, etc. Also, its the best "stock look" ROM you can get. (But sooner or later, you'll get bored with AR :D)

Next in line is the TB Fusion. Mostly stock with Sense 3.0 goodies. Also very stable.

And after you get more comfortable with your DHD, you can try LD, CD, HoneySense, and others :)
[Desire HD General] redlinux:
Soon enough you will find out that every soul in this community is much willing to help. Having liked the ARHD ROM, you're probably looking for a STOCK looking UI and not the eye candy. Just like what Jacob said, if it's stock that you want, I couldn't be more happy with SEO's TB Fusion ROM. Currently it's at v1.1.6 and it's running the smoothest. To think it's even using the default HTC Kernel with no OC.

Anyway, welcome to our good old pinoy thread. Don't ever think that you have downgraded a phone 'coz you are yet to realize how very much capable and able our DHD is. :)
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
Thanks for the warm welcome guys! :D

I just realized that I actually bought an Inspire 4G! and not a Desire HD. But an Inspire 4G is just the DHD's twin, right? and I've read that everything that works on the DHD will work on the Inspire.

TBF is TB Fusion right? It uses Sense 3.0? Isn't Sense 3.0 still in its early stages and isn't very stable yet? How's the battery life on TBF. Battery life isn't my top priority since I do want to maximize the capabilities of my phone, but I also don't want to have terrible battery life like with my Touch Pro 2. I'm actually still not sure what the difference is between CWM, ROM manager and all those. I'll probably find out when I start tinkering with my phone.

I guess the first thing I have to do is root, and sim unlock using the hack kit? I've also read that it is recommended to keep Eng-S ON, because it is only for developers. Am i right?

What are the chances of bricking here? I'm quite experienced in flashing for Windows Mobile, and I also have jailbroken a lot of iOSes, but I'm still new to Android, and having a $450 brick is the last thing I would want. :p

On my Touch Pro 2, I've been using "EnergyROM" ever since, if any of you are familiar with it. I think I actually want a stock looking ROM for now, and not necessarily Sense 3.0, unless you could convince me otherwise. :)

How about LeeDroid? That keeps coming up on the other threads. Is that also good?

Thanks for the replies!
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
In that case, TBFusion 1.1.6 is made specifically for Inspire 4G. Battery life is just like stock 1 day to 1.5 days depending on usage.

Rom Manager is ran within the phone UI, CWM is ran from recovery console. They're from the same dev and in a nutshell, RM automates some commands that you can still do manually from CWM. The advantage RM is that you can download roms and updates OTA even when you have the free version.

Yup, right on the money...

Check with the android dev thread which version of CWM is quite safe to format the sdcard. You can still keep it to FAT32 though to be on the safe side. Many guys bricked their DHDs while attempting to format the card in CWM according to the downgrading steps. One unique user bricked the DHD by flashing a kernel file while intending to flash HBOOT. Naturally it couldn't boot with a kernel...lol but I heard HTC fixed it at no cost soon after.

I've used Energy before as well but was more gravitated towards Dutty's Family ROM back then. Technically, Fusion is more like having Cookie's Home Tab on top of your WM Sense UI but now using the few working and port-able Sense 3 stuff.

I would now change my recommendations to AR than TBF in that case. Since it comes purely stock out of the kitchen whereas TBF is made specifically to make some parts of Sense 3 to be usable alongside 2.1.

It is true what TinG said that the AR thread is organized and complete but the build does get old right away. Having said that, it boils down to preference really... Take it for a spin first :)

LD made his name for optimizing the stock HTC experience as well as maximizing battery life. You could never go wrong with his work but a word of caution, not all settings and combinations work well for all users...

So even if you found a seemingly perfect build, don't expect it to run as smoothly without testing, tweaking and mixing up radio combinations, wiping habits and app preferences. Testing and observation takes a few days at least. There's still work to be done regardless of how good the build is...

Like RedL said, we're all here to help each other make the most out of our DHDs... In your case, our cousin :D
[Desire HD General] timoti.sy:
Nakakamiss yung ganyang feeling.. yung bago device mo.. tapos natatakot ka iroot.. tapos basa ka ng basa.. tapos tuwang tuwa ka sa roms.. Samsung Gtab please be released already!
[Desire HD General] tingardz:
Right on the money :D

UPDATE:

New LD 3.1.0 is out :) (with reduced power consumption)
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Kaya boring pag locked yung bootloader ng newer phones... :)
[Desire HD General] thenocturnalnurse:
Ako inaantay ko na lang 2.3 Update then pag di ako satisfied talaga downgrade then let the flashing begin :D Di ko na maenjoy phone ko eh hahahahaha :D
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
Formatting the sdcard is not that simple pala? What does the sdcard have to do with bricking the device? What you said actually made me quite nervous. hahaha

Maybe I'll just go for Android Revolution for now. Seems like the most newbie-friendly ROM. Do I have to do the sound fix for Inspire 4g after i flash a ROM?

thanks once again!
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
excited na may halong kaba! :D
[Desire HD General] redlinux:
Whatever you do, make sure you make it through the first attempt when rooting. Usually, bricking of phones are on the first and only root. Not to scare you but read it a million times and, until you're sure, only then you proceed with caution and extra care. After that, flashing ROMs, Radios, RILs, MODs, etc are just a breeze. :)

Just to add, Inspire 4G has a slightly different sound driver than the DHD so you might bump into some sound issues but flashing the right ROM and MODs should fix it. You should also start checking the Inspire 4G section.
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
I downloaded the inspire 4g hack kit today just to be able to go through the manual. I became very confused. It's not even close to what i used to do with Windows Mobile. What's USB debugging? Which ones do I have to do? Which ones should I do first? What mode do I set my phone to? After reading this, I'm seriously considering not rooting nalang. I really really dont want to brick my phone. I thought there would be a step-by-step instruction pero it's so confusing.

Can you guys help me? Which one should I do first? Do I start with reverse CID? This is my very very first time rooting and I'm more nervous than I am when I have final exams. haha :D
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
After reading over and over, I think I got it but I'm not so sure. Do I just do these:

And flash Android Revolution right after? Then AR's recommended Radio after the ROM itself?

I read too many horror stories of bricked devices. I don't feel like doing any of these anymore, but I have to because the phone will be sim locked when it gets here :/
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Yes but before flashing the rom, do a nand first, then the radio then the rom. Don't forget to boot each step of the way. Its not a good habit to flash on top of a flash without rebooting first... ;-) we're all excited for you!
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Lol... I think matatagalan bago maluma at maubusan ng gagawin sa DHD :-)
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
I think the way it was explained was there's an error that occurs when CWM attempts to create a Linux ext3 partition on the card and probably breaking hboot. Last time I checked peeps said it was already fixed with the new version but still some encountered the same problem so better stay away from it...

The sound fix is gonna be specified if its included in the rom or not. If yosi encounter sound problems, the Inspire guys in the thread will surely help you out :)
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
I'm really really nervous now. Even if my phone is still weeks away. haha

What sd card should I use? How many GB dapat? And am I supposed to reformat it in a specific way?

What's a nand? And is there any specific part of the process that I should be very careful about? Yung talagang prone to error and bricking. I read that the radio should be flashed correctly or else it will get bricked?

This is so scary. It's like brain surgery. hahaha
[Desire HD General] thenocturnalnurse:
Well, I'm just bored with stock and I heard that the 2.3 update was just like an enhancement update so if I get bored with it I'm going to finally root my phone :)
[Desire HD General] redlinux:
Root Root Root!! :)
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Fat32 will do and a 16gb class 6 is most affordable.

NAND is a backup of your good set up so if anything goes wrong, you can restore like nothing happened. So far, the CWM card format is the only one that's dangerous, all else in CWM is safe.

Just make a habit of creating a nand and don't do a full wipe without either a backup or a rom to flash.

Its fun too :)

Btw, TBF is on 1.1.7 now... Sheesh, downloading again :)
[Desire HD General] chardd23:
hi jacob how much ang capdase matte screen and maganda ba siya?
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Ok naman, di lang kasing matte ng Momax pero clearer yung visibility. Sa eBay ko nabili, equivalent is 300 pesos plus shipping. I saw one at Parksquare though they're selling it for 500.
[Desire HD General] chardd23:
ano naman ung momax and how much siya?

kasi ung nabili ko 200 , cut out after a month of use parang nawala ung pagkamatte, napudpod kumbaga.
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
What's better? The ace hack kit? or bubby's one click rooting? The same lang naman ginagawa nila right? Is one better than the other? Parang mas madali yata yung Bubby.
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Amazon Appstore

For those who want to get Amazon's Free Paid App of the day, just generate your fake identity here then create a dummy email using that name.

Use the credentials to sign up for a new Amazon account and assign the address and billing info to your one-click settings. Enter the new credentials from the app. If you already entered your amazon username before, just clear data from Settings\ Applications\ All. After you open the app again, it'll ask for your username and password then enjoy downloading the new free paid app of the day :D

Don't use your actual Amazon account unless you have a card that is issued in the US, otherwise it won't let you. The reason for making a dummy email is to make sure you don't encounter any issues with Amazon with an actual email and fake credentials. Its not stealing since the apps you're getting are the free ones anyway :)

It's just weird that Amazon didn't open their Market to a wider audience outside NA. This way, you don't need to use Market Enabler or anything to connect to the Amazon appstore unlike some of the other guides out there. Enjoy :D
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Momax is the one I got prior to Capdase, that one was 280 I think from Digital Walker pero sabi nila, out of stock daw and walang idea kelan magkakaron ulit (3 stores tinanungan ko). That one is very matte but kind of obvious in degraded visibility when you're out in the sun. Ok din sya and I would've gotten it again if I had found one. Hirap lang humanap sa mga areas na nadadaanan ko.
[Desire HD General] chardd23:
usually ba gano katagal bago palitan ang screen protector?
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
I'd go with the one you're more comfortable with ;)
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
Thanks a lot Jacob! Feels like preparing for exams. haha :D
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
lol... Yeah, that's the best feeling :D
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
The feeling of success is even better. :D
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
That'll come right after :D Then you'd wanna do more and more of it... ORD is eminent...
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
What's ORD? I'm just studying how to do this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1002226

If I screw this up, will I brick my device? even with ENG S-ON?

I plan to install AR's recommended ROM kasi
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Probably not permanently but just make sure you follow every step and read what others had to say. Especially the ones that failed so you know how to recover. If you mess up the radio then the worse that could happen is not having any radio related function which could be fixed.

ORD is Obsessive ROM-Flashing Disorder... We all have it, you probably had it in WM too and now with Android... :)

Share your ORD Stories here:

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=652857
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Depends sa nangyari... Usually, nagpapalit ako pag tadtad na ng scratches na nakakairita. Tinanggal ko yung Momax kasi may built in membrane yung Defender. Napabili ulit ako kasi gusto ko magamit yung phone ng walang case minsan :)
[Desire HD General] thenocturnalnurse:
2.3 Update is available now :) Downloading as I type! :D
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
Akala ko pa naman kung ano yang ORD. hahaha. On my WM device, I only tried out different ROMs and went back to Energy a few minutes later. Pero I reflash my phone with a newer version every 1-2 months especially when I realized na ang laki pala ng difference when I didnt bother updating for around 5 months. haha

Is it the same case for Android? Dapat ba mag-update parati?
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Depends really, its a similar situation though... Tulad ng TBF, lately eh puro full ROM ang update pero not entirely different from the previous versions pero mahirap din mahuli sa balita. Missing one day of new version discussion haba na ng hahabulin.
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Cool!
[Desire HD General] tingardz:
The stock gingerbread update has a newer build in 2.37.707.3
[Desire HD General] timoti.sy:
Hindi naman parati. Depende sayo eh. Kasi there are unstable releases with an immediate update fix within a day. There are minor tweaks and major tweaks din. You decide whether important sayo yung nadagdag or you wait for an update na marami kang nagustuhan.

In my case, when I got my DHD, it only lasted 3 days on vacation before I got home and rooted my phone and slapped ARHD. I've been flashing ROMS about 2-5 times a day then. And then settling for one for about 2-5 days. Updating every release my current favorite dev releases. At the moment, I update it between weeks or so..

Well until TFB and Honeysense came and I got back to my daily updating habits.
[Desire HD General] tingardz:
How's the Honeysense ROM doing? :)
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
You also use ARHD? Do you also have to flash the recommended radio?
[Desire HD General] tingardz:
If i have to answer that, YES :)

Every ROM has a Radio Interface Library (RIL) along with it. This library is designed to work best with a specific radio. So when there's a recommended radio, it's corresponding RIL is present in the ROM.

Also, older radios seem to drain battery much faster than the latest radios.
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
what method do you use to flash the radio? this one?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1002226

I really want to be sure because there are so many stories of bricking while flashing a radio.

thanks!
[Desire HD General] tingardz:
THIS can be found in ARHD thread. It covers flashing a ROM and radio as well. Also the very same thread i followed when i rooted my DHD. Just compare this one with other threads concerning rooting an Inspire 4G.
[Desire HD General] tingardz:
Having problems with widgets on latest LD 3.1.1

Switching back to TBF :D
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
But isn't the one on my link better because you dont need eng s-off to flash a radio? I plan to leave eng s-on nalang because I read that it's pretty dangerous when it's eng s-off.
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Pron...

More Sensation goodness... :D
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Hey buddy, I stumbled upon Amazon's Free App of the Day today. It's called Gaia GPS Tracking. In a nutshell, it'll work as your offline map. The idea is to download the map area that you need before you go offline and you can just delete soon after. I've checked the areas where Locations isn't updated and it gets the map version that is most updated from certain sources like Cloudmate Topo (there are others too). It supports location tracking so it'll work like a reactive mapping app rather than a proactive turn by turn navi app.

See if you'd like it, its free from the Amazon Appstore today only (regular price is 9.99US) :D
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
Pano yun, I dont have my Inspire 4g yet.. :confused:
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
Yeah, I kinda remembered that and that's why I highlighted it as a today only kind of deal just in case anyone else is looking for something similar. Anyway, you can always watch out for it to be free again or purchase it later on if its a good candidate for your needs. I just tried it and downloaded a map area, gps can definitely put you in your current location on the offline map using gps and celltower triangulation. POIs are recent. Only gripe is that you can't download the entire country, more like town/county wide areas only but there's an unlimited number of maps that can be downloaded... and it's free :D

(I'll try to look for where Amazon puts the apk before initiating install so I can post the apk or something...)
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
Thanks. Ill deal with that when I have my phone na. At least now I know it's possible. :D

One more question: basta I have ENG S-ON, Am I right na I don't have to worry about permanently bricking my phone? Is it safe to flash a radio using this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1002226

If something goes wrong with that, my bootloader will be fine, right? And I will still be able to flash something to fix it?
[Desire HD General] Jacob1369:
As the post said, check the md5 sum of all downloaded files to make sure it isn't corrupt... you can get hashtab if you're using windows or from Astro, long press then select details.

As for guarantees, there really isn't one. All you could do is gain more confidence by reading more and knowing what to do if something goes wrong... I'm sure you'll be in great shape if you follow everything to the letter and use files that aren't corrupt :)
[Desire HD General] timoti.sy:
Actually there's basically nothing you can do wrong here to brick your phone except not following the instructions step by step or flashing a radio for a different device or flashing a corrupted radio.

And even then, not following the instructions lead to a bootloop which can be remedied by starting from the beginning.

Just be careful when it comes to radios.

As for me, I don't even bother to md5 checksum anything. I just flash what people post. I'm even an early adopter.

As long as you don't pull the battery while flashing something or having the battery run out on you while flashing. And you flash files for your device, you're basically brick-free. :D
[Desire HD General] marvdmartian:
I'm scared lang because theres no ready-made PD98IMG.zip i can flash. I have to get the radio from the AR thread and put it in the PD98IMG.zip. Anyway good luck to me when my phone arrives :D