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[Vibrant Android Development] sirganon:
Just wanted to let people know that I am able to download the rom again (finally)

Hopefully its working for everyone else too.
[Vibrant Android Development] Big_Tom:
Now the "Sonofskywalker3" seems to work again, but the "premium" content "DevsForAndroid" still produces the same error.

When downloading packages though, the installation scripts do not work (not roms, but the rest). The logs show a "file exists in /system/apps" error when copying files, but the error is incorrect, the file it tries to copy does not exist... Any idea how to fix this?
[Vibrant Android Development] hedcayce:
Couple things. I'm running the 1.2 beta, just flashed last night before bed. Thing seems to fly, but every time I use the net, I get a browser FC.

The other thing I've noticed is when I try to run quadrant, it always hangs somewhere and I can never finish the test. Anyone else seeing these?
[Vibrant Android Development] ars1:
I am having a few problems. Im constantly getting kicked offline with a force close, I have did the fix in the rom manager and no luck. Also the navigation does not work and I really need that. Any help is greatly appreciated
[Vibrant Android Development] sirganon:
I was getting kicked offline also and was also getting a ton of fc's when using the market. Haven't heard from sonofskywalker in a long time so I'm assuming he's MIA and not working on the rom anymore.

I just flashed nero v5 directly over my blackhole 1.2 and its amazing. I highly recommend it. (not trying to say anything bad about sos or blackhole)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
when this is right then soon wp7 will be real big :D:D

http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/12/20/holy-crap-nokia-is-in-talks-with-microsoft-about-windows-phone-devices/

http://mynokiablog.com/2010/12/20/nokia-and-microsoft-discussing-wp7-on-nokia-says-eldar/
[Windows Phone 7 General] blahism:
I would imagine this would spark the platform in EU where Nokia is still a top brand.. in the US, Nokia had its hayday about 10 years ago but at least they could put price pressure on devices here as well :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
I didn't mean to thank you, I meant to press Quote but enjoy the free Thanks anyway :P

The EU is a much bigger market than the US infact the US is quite tiny in comparison. Mobile phones is probably the only thing where Europe comes on top and it is the reason why many phones, not just smartphones, are released only in Europe (and Asia) and not at all in the US.

American Tech Blogs, Engadget, Gizmodo etc etc are constantly bashing Nokia because of Symbain and saying their Phones are awful but at the end of the day they sell more than RIM, HTC, Samsung and even Apple.

WP7 on Nokia devices would be MASSIVE. However, I'm not sure weather there is any truth in this. Microsoft have in the past tried to push nokia to adopt Windows Mobile and they've said no. Nokia like to do their own thing really and they can't really do that with Windows Phone due to no Customisation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
There is quite a change within Nokia, they are going through a major restructuring, so if Microsoft and Nokia really want to MS might as well acquire them, it will not be surprising.

I am not sure how spending more money for mobile market than already allocated for advertisement ($500 million or so) is in the MS interest though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Lets not forget to quote the entire thing:

"In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path." -Eldar

The guy has a not so good track record. You're better off believing in the secret society of Illumaniti that only the people on the internet know about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
LOL , I think I mist something on here , I only read that I have posted , not what Eldar posted.

Edit: I updated the first post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
In response to the question on WPCentral:

YES!

- The Nokia N95 had the BEST camera I have had the pleasure of using to date, it was an innovative slider sliding one way for a keypad and the other way for media controls

- The Nokia N8 has a 12 megapixel camera which blows away anything else I've ever seen on a phone.

I want my Nokia Windows Phone 7 phone with a 12 megapixel camera and Carl Zeiss Lens!
[Windows Phone 7 General] augie7107:
http://www.thetechherald.com/articl...-to-drop-Symbian-in-favour-of-Windows-Phone-7

Updated article. This should provice WP7 with some market share.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
I second this the n95 was a properly amazing phone that was way ahead of anything at the time. This is not the only example either look back to the late 90's with the 5110 even and the nokia communicator. They have slipped slightly in resent years but that's only due to the os there hardware is sound and solidly built to match.

If they do join forces then it will catapult wp7 back into the big league where it belongs. Lets just hope Nokia can see this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] leonard2010:
It's great

Cannot wait for a Nokia WP7 device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tempest790:
Nokia doesn't have much of a presence here in the U.S. but the few phones I've dealt with were very good. I'd love to see Nokia and WP7 together. I think it's a great match.

Why is there so much negativity on this!!! I just saw another article about this and it was blasting Nokia for making this move. It seems every reporter and media outlet can't wait for WP7 to fail. In my office, another friend just bought a WP7 phone so that makes 4 of us and 3 iPhone users. The rest have other phones or Blackberries (company issued).

So here's a sarcastic list:

Top ten reasons not to buy WP7

Top ten reasons WP7 users are losers

Top ten reasons Nokia shouldn't sell WP7 phones

Top ten reasons WP7 will fail

Top ten reasons anything, anytime, anywhere from Microsoft should be avoided

etc, etc

:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] blahism:
Engadget just got some news about potential talks/announcement next week on something.. (possibly wp7)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/04/nokia-microsoft-announcing-partnership-next-week-possibly-invo/
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Drop Symbian for this BS? It would possibly be the dumbest move of the year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JuWa:
I surely hope Nokia would go on WP7. But I have my doubts... Most of in a Finnish forum is criticizing the rumor, if Nokia would go on WP7. They say, it would be the biggest mistake (I think they have not even try WP7). What I think, it would be the greatest for Nokia for a long time, I mean a loooong time.

I just bought an Omnia 7. I think it's awesome. My first Windows phone and it's awesome. Okey the old WM was terrible. I have never, ever even thinking about to try that, it looked so ugly and clumsy OS in a phone. But WP7 is so 100% made for a phone OS. And it's beautiful. With Nokia co-operation I think the WP7 could be also coming more popular in Scandinavian, which of course it is not now, because of the lack of localisation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
[Windows Phone 7 General] martoto:
And why do you even bother to reply on his BS :)

On the topic: If this happens it would be a very big win for Microsoft. They will finally have top-notch hardware for their OS plus a big name on it. However I do not see the real benefit for Nokia. They're gonna lose most of their identity in such move. In the other hand they've missed their momentum investing so much on Symbian and currently have not many choices. It will be a very hard decision for them.

PS: Personally, as an ordinary consumer, I also would like to see the quality of Nokia hardware combined with WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I make it a personal goal to be on people like that's ignore lists.

In rebuttal, Nokia backing an OS that's worthwhile? Did we just travel back to the mid-nineties? Where's the delorean?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I guess you guys haven't played with a new symbian? You would totally understand.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It plays like android with less support.... not the boat I want to be in...
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
i dont think MS will have there own mobile phone hardware as they work with OEM hardware vendors and if they want to keep that they will not develop or buy hardware compnies.... i beleive thats what happen ti KIN as it was a bad move because it will be conflict of intrest...
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Nokia has to do something to save their sinking smartphone ship.

They failed miserably. Sorry but latest Symbians are just horrible.

I played with N8. It was so awful compared to other leading OSes.

But they can also choose Android route.

I rather wait for SE to join WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Might I ask why? not trying to be offensive but I haven't seen them release a decent looking phone since the walkman series
[Windows Phone 7 General] geoken:
If this goes through it will be the first time I've had any interest in a Nokia phone for quite some time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] k2reefa:
HTC and other manufactures(HTC first as this is XDA) are using multiple OS on there phones why would it be such a bad thing for nokia to do similar, i am aware they are hevily invested in symbian, but sales wise i cant see how this would hurt the bank balence
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well it is a matter of taste maybe.

But since WM6.1 days they were the only ones to design a really good looking and functional devices with great cameras etc. So X1, X2 were for me best looking smartphones. HTC design - in comparison is awful besides HD2, and the same goes with Nokia for me. Especially their smartphones look and feel terrible.

As for SE, X10 and Arc also look great.

But it's personal.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Due primarily to the G1 and HD2 I was one of the huge HTC guys who would only buy HTC but now I'm more open. I guess though that when the X1- came out I had my HD2 so the x10 with its old OS and all didn't really appeal to me, my wife has it now and loves it but I guess it just never hooked me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Lizzo:
this will be the first time i have interest in nokia...EVER!!:eek:
[Windows Phone 7 General] nok_fusion:
me too :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
you whippersnappers must've not been big phone users in the nineties ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Vangrieg, that made a lot of sense. I can agree with that.

However you will see no improvement in hardware if Nokia joins. You will get another HD7, surround, focus. No difference from the other OEMs.

Symbian^3 pawns WP7 in every way except smoothness. More apps, more APIs, better hardware, etc. Dropbox, skydrive sites are fully integrated no separate apps needed. RDP support. The list goes on...

No portrait QWERTY sucks though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
What the hell are you talking about.

X1 was launched Whole Year before HD2.

It was a strongest WM device at this time. Than HTC devices appeared like Touch Pro 2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I meant to say x10, sorry, finger slipped and I hit the dash key instead. x1 was good for its time. I guess my opinion centralizes on the x10 and stuff... their skinning was terrible and the delays it caused in OS were just bad.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I think that if Nokia joined, it would have a say un terms of hardware. But to me it doesn't really matter what processors are used as long as the OS runs well. With WP7 I care about camera quality, build quality, design, all that stuff. And I never said I wanted a Nokia phone, by the way. I know a lot of people would buy it if it didn't run Symbian. Also, who says they can't keep Symbian for the low end?

As regards features, what can I say - by the time Nokia releases its first WP7 device (if it ever happens, I'm very skeptical), the feature set will be different.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^We thought the same thing for HTC, Samsung and LG.

My guess is they will make a Windows tablet or Office on Symbian. Highly doubt a WP7 phone will come from this.

A OS that's not selling doesn't need a hardware provider that's not selling.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
X10 a little bit different story.

But SE skinning wins with HTC in aesthetics.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I agree it was pretty, Sadly it caused a bit of lag and less device upgrades...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Exactly. So this is the recipe for a perfect smartphone: an OEM who knows a thing or two about [industrial] design and an OS with which this OEM can't meddle. Unrealistic but would be really great. The Nexus concept is getting there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
That makes sense. The nexus series would if they'd keep it with one equipment manufacturer. When the nexus one came out it was all revolutionary hardware. The nexus S was very slight improvements on a vibrant and didnt even feel as good as a captivate :/... I'm not saying I love HTC but they did have that concept down better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
What the hell can nokia do that the others can't? Please explain.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Hardware-wise they seem to be the only ones still trying to innovate. While everyone else is in a spec war their phones are sliding and flipping in ways that give that initial appeal that draws the consumers eye initially.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
You clearly have American tinted specs on. As do a lot of blogs like Engadget who constantly go on about how Nokia are awful and don't understand why they are market leaders.

In Europe, where the market is significantly bigger than the US, mobile/smart phones are more popular and there's generally more demand Nokia pretty much owns the market.

Nokia were there from the beginning with the 3210/3330 when the Mobile boom kicked off. They have constantly broke boundaries and continued to amaze, the N95 was possibly and still probably is the best Non-Touch screen device to ever be released, they managed to get a Smart phone in normal consumers hands with great specs and a Camera that would rival most of the Phone Cameras on the market at the moment. The amount of people who STILL have the N97 or the 5800 is amazing.

Their current phones are still great looking phones with great features. Ok so the N8 doesn't have groundbreaking internal specs like a 1ghz processor but this is probably more to do with Symbian not needing one than Nokia not wanting to supply one. The N8 has a 12 Megapixel Camera! It was one of the first phones with USB on the Go, HDMI Out, Gorilla Glass. It even has a FM Transmitter.

If they were to bump up their internal specs I don't think ANYONE would not want something along the lines of the N8 with a larger screen.

People buy Nokia because it's Nokia much like people are starting to buy HTC phones because they believe HTC make the best touch screen phones, the majority of people in Europe have no clue about Android until they actually purchase phone with one on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JuWa:
WRONG! Even Samsung Galaxy S had Gorilla Glass before.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Did you miss the "one of" part?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JuWa:
Oh, yeah. Well Gorilla Glass is not that amazing. I have got a tiny scratch for that, when I didn't got any scratch for htc Hero. So it's just a over hyped feature..
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I agree there... My Focus got a scratch the other day and it annoys the hell out of me... I mean it got scratched on a guys sideburns who i let borrow it.... really?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You guys don't fully understand my question. Let me rephrase a little. There is nothing wrong with Nokia hardware.

What the hell can Nokia do that the other OEMs can't do?

Answer, not a damn thing!

Due to Microsoft restrictions, you wont see anything innovative from any company. Just another phone with a different name.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
The Hardware is where they'll innovate. Microsoft restrictions aren't THAT tight it's just that the current bunch are sticking to the bare minimum.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
What is innovation, vetvito? Putting a new processor and more memory? Or what?

How is Microsoft restricting innovation?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Bull****. Name one thing that they can do, besides the camera. Name one thing that they can do different. The restrictions are THAT tight.

Innovate what? What can they do? Its a legitimate question.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JuWa:
Nokia has the best and reliable connectivity with anything. That is Nokia's strong point.
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeman:
I don't think the wp7 os is mature enough for Nokia phones atm there's way to much features missing compared to symbian OS,profiles,ring tones,connectivity,file transfer etc,but maybe Nokia could put a little pressure on Microsoft as part of the deal and open metro a little more
[Windows Phone 7 General] ciaphuas:
This would be huge for both companies
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
i agree to this as well...

if they come up with Nokia HW using WP7 will be one of the good combinations... as Nokia smart phone OS sucks....

but i think MS is doing the right thing to keep the OS slim and fast... and i think when the multitasking will be introduced it will be limited multitasking...

tomorrow i hope to see the UPDATE on my phone..
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
This http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-e7 is what they can do: design an attractive, solid device with good screen tech, large storage and PENTA band support. Much better than the sameness HTC decided to bring to the table.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Yeah, beautiful hardware... with good software theyd take the american market again... WP7 and nokia all the way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] OGCF:
I don't know if you've noticed, but Nokia isn't just good at cameras. They're good at every single aspect of hardware design. Their high end devices always have a strong level of reliability when it comes to the choice of materials, connectivity (their antennas are stronger than most), Carl Zeiss camera lenses with real xenon flash, almost all of their phones have quad band support, and plenty more.

It's the software where Nokia lacks, and even then Symbian isn't as bad as everyone says. It's fallen behind the times and Nokia can no longer update Symbian with the new features everyone wants so it's had to slowly phase out Symbian and look for a suitable replacement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
What does "hardware innovation" as demonstrated by OEMs mean?
[Windows Phone 7 General] kamranh3:
I think Nokia are way behind the times, it's only because Symbian is no longer the most popular operating system seeing as Android overtook it, that they want to look at a new OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vista1984:
For wp7, is a good news. It's a good os and has potential of being better.

For Nokia, hard to say. Do they stiil think meego is their future and main os? Wp7 would make Nokia's phone just look like other manufactors. More important is that, wp7 is not open source.

I don't think currently Nokia has any device that can run wp7(1ghz CPU required ) . That means it will take almost half year from now to design a new one designated for wp7.

By that time, meego should be done.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
The open source argument is the weakest one. I don't know anything about licensing details for WP7, but CE is distributed under shared source license, so OEMs get access to all the code they need. This was also the case with WM.
[Windows Phone 7 General] satchef1:
It's the low-end Nokia handsets that really impress me TBH. My Nokia 6300 (a £60 phone) feels nicer in the hand, is better made and has a better camera than my Trophy :eek:

Nokia make amazing hardware. The software team continually let them down. Software is either rubbish, incomplete or late. The N8 wold have hit in May last year, but a software delay pushed that back to October (or was it November?).

Picking up WP7 would be a fairly easy stop-gap while the software division gets sorted out. There's not a lot for the OEM to do outside of build the handset and get it into the retail channel. Nokia could manage that with ease and very little involvement from the software division. WP7 is also small enough that Nokia wouldn't have to worry about canabalising it's own market, which would be the case if it went with Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] martoto:
Well, you have put here another nice and enjoyable reading and I can agree with most of your points. Especially on that Nokia cannot fight with the big software guys: Microsoft, Google and Apple. In addition I am also almost convinced that Nokia will adopt WP7 after all of the recent rumours, leaks and their CEO internal memo.

However I am not sure if this single step could help them to return in the game. Nowadays everyone can produce hardware. And some Chinese factories can do it very well on unbelievable price. So how Nokia could stand against them as a regular OEM, without any truly recognizable competing advantages and own ecosystem? Moreover, WP7 can be a resolution only in the high-end segment. What will do Nokia in the middle and low-end, since Android looks unbeatable there? I don’t expect they will take the Google path. This will be a real suicide, because they don’t have time to make a decent Android implementation.

I really don’t know how they are going to cope with this “burning oil platform”. Doubtlessly hard times are coming for Nokia and I’m looking forward with great interest to their Friday announcement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
In all likelihood, their big shakeup could mean a refocusing of their market efforts and do away with the low-end and middle.