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[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wallyhonda:
Haha thanks. So i bought the phone from memory express, like a third party store i guess. Now it was Bell branded technically, not physically or anything just all the bloatware and system and stuff. But i unlocked it for Telus. Now when you say talk to my carrier i assume you mean Telus, but im guessing theyre gonna be like wtf r u talking about lol. But if i just phone up HTC tomorrow and just be like well i turn it off everynight when i goto bed and i woke up one morning and it wounldnt turn on since. I might just be overthinking it, but ive already effed up my phone, i dont wanna eff up my chance of getting it replaced. Thanks again.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sino8r:
Oh, so you didn't get it from the cell provider... gotcha. Yeah, just tell HTC that. It should be fine... I forget that outside the states most folks don't get their phones from the cell provider. The concept is strange to me but it makes sense... but yeah, as long as there is no physical/liquid damage and it won't power on or boot into bootloader/fastboot, they can't prove sh*t. You are safe, my friend! Good luck and enjoy your replacement!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] androidEyez:
I have replaced mine through tmobile they had to deal with htc but the phone is under a 1 year warrenty. I got a replacement before I even sent back the messed up phone good luck!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wallyhonda:
You sir are a godly messenger of relief. Learned a bit from you too, thanks, and with the speedy replys. Ive obviously learned my lesson here. I will be contacting HTC tomorrow and hopefully it doesnt take too long and theres no hasle. I still fell pretty stupid though lol. Im still gonna research some stuff on bricks and jtag now. I guess modertor can close, id like to post updates till i get my replacement...i dun care. Thanks again sino8r!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m0bstar:
Just to say to all of you who are wrong, sure he could have the carrier replace the phone, and yeah he may get a new phone before they realize he rooted it, but when and if they do, you get a nice huge $600 charge on your next phone bill. Enjoy that one.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dictionary:
You certainly won't be able to jtag it yourself, lol. That's specialty stuff right there. What exactly happened during/after the radio flash though?

Also, for future reference, it's always the safest bet to do a flash with the battery close to full, and definitely from fastboot. Were you just trying to update the radio?

Annnnnd you're wrong. He didn't purchase this through his carrier, so they wouldn't charge him. HTC will put a hold on the card until they get the old device probably. If they try to get it going, see that it won't start, and that the water strip is still good, they'll toss it in the pile, and that'll be that. The hold on his card will be released.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wallyhonda:
Well i through the radio.img in a zip so i could update it through sdcard when you boot hboot, i did it like 6 times before that trying different ones out. All worked, but werent an imrpoved reception. So i tried that last one, and it all flashed okay and everything. Then hboot told me press power to reboot device, so i did, and black, nothing after that. The battery was like 75%+ when i started.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dictionary:
Ouch. Yeah, like sin0 was saying, you're definitely kap00t. Hope you learned not to play around with radio files though. Just flashing and flashing and flashing radio files is dangerous. And in all honesty, learn to flash via fastboot.

I suppose you COULD try letting the phone charge until the indicator turns solid green, and trying again. Can't really HURT at this point, lol.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Novek:
This isn't any personal, but I hope HTC/carriers start to really check for user interference when phones are messed up. They shouldn't be economically responisble when people are stupid enough to do stuff to their phones without reading/knowing enough.

Sure... Unwanted bricks can occure, but hey... It was YOU who messed with it and corrupted the phone, it's not HTC's fault!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sino8r:
This is exactly the reason I thought the G2/Desire Z forum merge was a bad idea...

In fact, I wish they would had added seperate 32a/32b board dev sections for the Sapphire like they did for the Wizard. Oh well, I guess bricks happen regardless... I know I've surely done it myself, lol
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sino8r:
They do to an extent but if the bootloader is boinked... they can't without wasted recovery time. In the end, its not worth it to them. They recycle the boards and reflash they if needed but if its in the bad pile... its too late to blame the user. Time is money, I guess...
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schriss:
I think HTC designed the phone not only to be used but also to be easilty serviced. Take out the back cover and look above battery, to the right. You can see 3-4 pins there, it looks like you could plug something there. Call me stupid but this seem perfect time-saver for service people to read/flash pnone with special tool without the need to waste time to unscrew it and possibly leave scratches.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dictionary:
Well yes and no. eViL is running a Z radio on his T-Mobile g2, and it works well, as well as many others. I'm not so sure that this was a g2/dZ issue, as much as a user issue, lol. Either way, it's even labeled in the thread (if I remember correctly) that the op wasn't sure if they would work, and to stick to what your phone was.

Fact is, people are lazy, and don't read/do enough research first. No matter HOW separate the forums are, people will still find a way/wander over.
[Droid 2 Android Development] kejar31:
Teaser screenshot!!!!

And yes thats a AOSP Lock Screen!!!! Lag and reboots are a thing of the past with GummyJAR

Not over-clocked!

Lock Pattern = Fixed and fixed right (when you wake your phone you will see this not the lockscreen then this!)
[Droid 2 Android Development] Thornfulless Rose:
I love you.
[Droid 2 Android Development] cabraswell:
When should we expect this? Any eta?
[Droid 2 Android Development] Hideaki02:
I can't wait! Keep it up, you are the closest thing we have to CyanogenMod on the D2!
[Droid 2 Android Development] mistermr:
I peed a little. Can't wait kejar!
[Droid 2 Android Development] thekidmoon:
Is there any possibility that in the future you will make this available for the droid 2 global
[Droid 2 Android Development] kejar31:
Need on first, sorry
[Droid 2 Android Development] kejar31:
new screenshot more news
[Droid 2 Android Development] mistermr:
Now I peed a lot. Don't hesitate if you need someone to test this baby out, I have no problems flashing multiple times.
[Droid 2 Android Development] Thornfulless Rose:
Maybe you should go change your undies.:)

Anyway, cool you got the lock pattern working! lol and working RIGHT! So ready for this release!
[Droid 2 Android Development] ttlycnfuzd:
so do contact ringtones work? Thats my biggest problem with all AOSP~ish roms... contact ringtones don't work... or at least not all the time...

Looks great tho... will definitely give this a try... :)
[Droid 2 Android Development] Pellegrini406:
Most definitely can't wait for this! So excited. Any eta???
[Droid 2 Android Development] kejar31:
Just handed this out to testers, a release could happen as early as tonight
[Droid 2 Android Development] Thornfulless Rose:
Uh oh! Your gonna make mistermr pee another pair of pants. hahaha XD
[Nexus S General] YuryAC:
I had a very strange issue today when using Tesla LED or Torch on the Nexus S, On normal mode the LED seemed to be intermittent. After about 30 seconds it would disappear, and then reappear. Or disappear, and reappear DIMMED. Can anyone else try this and confirm?
[Nexus S General] El Daddy:
Does the LED blinking off, then on happen when the screen turns off? On my Nexus one it used to do the same but it was later fixed in CM.
[Nexus S General] MotorcycleKopp:
Works fine for me. I just used it for 45 seconds and nothing strange happened
[Nexus S General] DumbUglyDragon:
Tesla works fine for me. Screen timed out and the LED turned off with the screen. Turned phone back on and the led turned on too.

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] YuryAC:
ah, the screen timeout would do it. Strange, on my nexus one this was never an issue. Thanks for the help guys!
[Epic 4G General] Seanc13:
I really want an aosp rom that's dk28 based
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
No aosp at all at the moment, and when we get aosp there wont be any samsung date stamped versions.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stealthx32:
I've been on Froyo ROMs for the past 2 months, and having Flash hasn't been a benefit at all to me. All it gets me is more f*#@in' popups in the browser. True, I could go back to something Eclair based (probably Bionix Fusion), but is there a way I can just delete Flash?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sarge363:
Go to settings in web browser. Enable plugins to on demand.

Sent from Ziggy......
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sarge363:
Or just turn off plugins

Sent from Ziggy......
[EVO 4G General] nuggyunlimited:
I don't know if this is suppose to be here but if not sorry. I noticed the online kitchen isn't up anymore. I have two domains and a year left of hosting I don't use it cause I'm rebuilding my website. For the time being I wouldn't mind letting someone use my domain and hosting account to put up an online kitchen. feel free to contact me. just try to help the xda community.
[EVO 4G General] leenypost:
You should probably update the name of the post to say I WILL HOST ONLINE KITCHENS FOR FREE and people will take more notice of it.
[EVO 4G General] nuggyunlimited:
Thanks I will do that

Swyped From Eva Running Myn's RLS4!
[EVO 4G General] bmtdan:
This would be great !
[EVO 4G General] SiL3nTKiLL:
well thats nice of u!
[EVO 4G General] nuggyunlimited:
That's what I was thinking. I wasn't using it and paid for it already. So I was thinking what use can I put to it until my website it done. Then I was trying to learn how to create roms and myn told me to try theming something and see what makes them tick. So in the mean time it can also help me learn how to create roms so hey why not. I learned how to make wallpapers and splashscreens so far now I'm working with boot animations and changing the clock widget colors.
[EVO 4G General] nuggyunlimited:
Yea I'm a nice person.
[EVO 4G General] nuggyunlimited:
Does anyone know if anyone might be interested in this?

Swyped From Eva Running Myn's RLS4!
[EVO 4G General] nuggyunlimited:
Still nobody? I would like to learn how to set up an online kitchen
[Vibrant General] oka1:
To All,

I did a bit of testing on Micro SD cards All claimed they were class 10 in other words they should (as claimed by the manufacturers) to read and write 10 mb per sec

The Reality is the only one that really hit that mark was the Wintec which also was cheap)

I used two of the sd card testers from the app store. One called sd card tester the other was ssd card tester (one was free one cost a buck)

I did the tests using various buffer size (2, 4 and 8 mb) did it 3 times and averaged. This is not scientific but it did show that there is alot of misrepresentation going on...........

The findings are as follows

Wintec averaged 9.3 write and 12.5 down :):):):):)

Patriot 7.8 write and 10 read :):):o

king max 7mb write and 8.2 read :):confused:

Kingston 6 write and 8 read :confused::rolleyes::confused: (what a dog)

None could really reach the 10 write threshold consistently. So, basically what I would recommend is read up and do your research and watch out for false review claims from the manufacturers.

I am now using the Wintec 16 gig and it does improve the response of the phone when writing or reading from the sd card. But this nothing compared to the awesome custom roms found in our dev forum. There is where the speed resides :D:D:D

It was fun doing this hope this helps some .........
[Vibrant General] mdkxtreme:
That is weird because I have the Kingston 16gb Class 10 microsd card and I transferred my avatar movie at 11-12mb/s.

I found out that if you format the card through the phone, the speeds are slow. But if you format the card through windows, that card is fast.
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
probably a file system difference. formatting in windows will make it ntfs, formatting on the phone will format it to...? rfs? fat32?
[Vibrant General] mdkxtreme:
No I didn't format it in NTFS. I formatted to FAT32.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Ntfs has better perdormance than fat, anyways, so I dunno what he means by that.

Its cause the cards are low qual. Kingstons inclided. There was a huge article by someone on the internet about them (not directly the speeds, though).
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
that was my point, that if you formatted it ntfs in windows it would perform better than the phone's formatting (which is probably fat32). but looking into it, i don't think android supports ntfs.
[Vibrant General] mdkxtreme:
Like I said guys, I formatted in FAT32 and it outperformed the phone's formatting scheme. I didn't know I could format it in NTFS because I didn't know if it would work or not so I formatted in FAT32
[Vibrant General] demo23019:
yea NTFS wont work on android
[Vibrant General] oka1:
Formatting on the phone is standard fat is all it recognizes it is possible if you are on 4ext instead of 2e (stock like my phone) then you could get better speeds. The problem as one of you stated is the low quality control, all these cards rarely get the stated speeds.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Yea, I made my initial statement knowing it didn't support NTFS.

But the other person gave me the idea that he thought NTFS would give lower performance than FAT32.

And yes, even Kingston's expensive cards are in many cases low quality cards, Sandisk as well.

That is why most knowledgeable users prefer a hefty amount of NAND storage in the phone as well as an SD slot just in case we need a bit more storage (and that's part of the reason the Galaxy S is so popular as well... No other Android phone has this much in-built storage).
[Vibrant General] oka1:
Well put that is one of the reasons why I like this phone so many things are well thought out and yes san disk is real junk I never use them on my nikon they write way slow......
[Vibrant General] t1n0m3n:
http://www.testfreaks.com/blog/information/usb-flash-drive-comparison-part-2-fat32-vs-ntfs-vs-exfat/

I terms of speed NTFS came in last.
[Vibrant General] mdkxtreme:
Hey OP, thanks for the test though. Because of this I am returning my Kingston for the Wintec since it's 50 dollars cheaper. Not countering or complaining about this thread, it's just I think most people get different results when it comes to SD cards. I actually thought about it and don't even need that high of a speed for external microsd because my nand is fast enough. Thus the reason why I want the lower pricing. Thanks again for the results.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
That's almost a 2 year old article, and it's hardly scientific.

It fails to mention a bunch of factors that affect the performance of NTFS, and doesn't really optimize the other filesystems for the media.

FAT32 is a simple file system with no security, encryption, and recoverability. FAT scaled up for larger volume sizes, basically. (using Fat32 is the reason why Android cannot encrypt SD cards).

NTFS performace scales up (i.e. gets better) the larger the volume gets. FAT32 performance scales down (i.e. gets worse) the larger the volume gets. Typically above 8GB it's better to use NTFS, if you can. The largest size in that article is 8GB and the disks weren't used in a way to really show how the filesystems perform in common scenarios (i.e. searching for files on a disk with lots of files that's 75% full, where NTFS would best FAT easily).

Testing NTFS vs. FAT32 on a bunch of 4GB and 8GB memory sticks proves nothing.

It's not January 2009 anymore. Lots of people have 32 GB+ memory cards/thumb drives and FAT32 performance simply does not scale up at all to those volume levels (not to mention it doesn't support volumes over 32GB without a modified version) compared to NTFS, which gain in performance as the volume size grows larger.

In addition to that, formatting as FAT32 wastes lots of space compared to NTFS. It has HUGE cluster sizes on large volumes (i.e. 16-32GB microSD cards).

exFAT is a pretty good middle road between the two, but NTFS will probably outperform it on large volumes. Its performance is more consistent than FAT32, though.

SD and Thumb drive filesystems corrupt more when formatted as FAT, compared to NTFS, as well.

That article you linked is useless.
[Vibrant General] t1n0m3n:
Since the file systems are older than the article, I don't see how that article doesn't apply.

You are are welcome to link your own test. Give more proof than your word. (Because I, for one, do not believe you.) In terms of raw speed, in our phone, on an SD card (with it's size limitations) ... Give more proof. The other factors are irrelevant to this discussion IMO, due to the discussion being about performance (I infer "performance" to mean "speed" due to the discussion about SD card speed.) Although they are admittedly important, I think you are just trying to use them as a point of obfuscation to try to worm your way out the erroneous statement:

A link to a test performed would do nicely.
[Vibrant General] mrxela:
I picked up Patriot 8gb class 10 from frys yesterday. I haven't done any tests but the card is significantly faster than stock 2gb card. When i started transferring my files to new card, i thought i copied them to wrong location cause it was going so fast.

I'll run few tests and post results.
[Vibrant General] t1n0m3n:
I would be very interested in seeing these results, I have yet to see a card faster than a SanDisk Class 6 8GB. However, I would like to start seeing some Class 10 16GB cards that step up to compete with the SanDisk in terms of raw speed.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Anyone with any knowledge about filesystems knows that FAT32 performance degrades when the size of the volume increases. That is why FAT32 has a maximum volume size of 32GB (without workarounds) and even a low maximum file threshold on the volume. It can also hold a low maximum number of files on the volume, because a FAT32 volume with as much files as NTFS supports would probably crash and burn.

When you a volume with a lot of files on it, NTFS will outperform FAT.

If that wasn't the case, Microsoft would have simply added the security and fault tolerate features (among other things) on top of FAT instead of developing NTFS for Windows NT.

FAT lived long because:

1. It's simple to implement, which makes it a great system for inter-OS compatibility.

2. Consumer disk sizes did not grow at a rate proportional to server storage sizes during the reign of pre-NT consumer Winodws OS.

3. Reliability and Security on consumer OSes (including Macs and PCs) simply wasn't taken all that seriously back in the day.

4. Hardly anyone with a PC had a volumes with a ridiculous amount of files on them.

Performance is more than just raw speed. NTFS is faster at searching for files on large volumes than FAT32 - why do you think Media scanner takes forever when you have tons of files on the SD card? It stores small files in the MFT if they can fit there, which makes accessing them monumentally faster than FAT, etc.

The robustness of a filesystem is a component of its performance.

Look at any HD2 thread and one thing you always see is "make sure to format your SD card before installing Android to it, to avoid constant FC's."

The only three advantages over NTFS that FAT32 has is that it is very fast on small volumes (and by volume I mean Capacity as well as the amount of data on the disk), it's relatively cross platform, and it doesn't fragment as much, due to larger cluster sizes (but fragmentation is not much of an issue on flash disks, unless they have very bad random I/O performance).
[Vibrant General] t1n0m3n:
No links to back you up... Most of what you are talking about doesn't apply in context of this thread. Were this a thread about a pc you would have some valid points.

I am done.

Eat at Joe's
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
I'm not talking about a PC. I'm talking about storage cards. Load up a 32 GB card with 20GB of music and Albulm Art/Meta Data, Documents, etc. and then compare the FS performance.

I'm sorry you have no idea what you're talking about, that you want me to scour the internet to "back up" something any decent developer/IT professional can agree with.

LOL @ Troll. Were you not the one who responded with a one liner of inconsequential info in an article from almost 2 years ago (Microsoft improved NTFS. NTFS in Win7 isn't the same as NTFS in Windows XP, 2000, or NT 3.1).

At least you got fed.

Like I said, that article you linked is not a "test" in any serious use of the word. I'm not going buy SD cards/thumbdrives to do any sort of test, and I'm certainly not Googling for you. If you want to verify, you can do that yourself. Ad hominems, do not help your point.

Ciao!
[Vibrant General] t1n0m3n:
OK answer this then. Has the NTFS version number (5.1) changed since windows XP? Or even Vista? (When the article was written.)

So you are basically trying to get everyone to believe that a journaled file system can transfer data faster than a non journaled file system... All with only using "trust me I know what I am talking about" as your reasoning behind your statement.

I agree that NTFS is better due to the unrelated statements you keep making about NTFS, but *faster*?

I digress... I will agree to disagree.

Back to the topic though. 8GB seems to be the sweet spot in speed right now... These were all 16GB cards right? Has anyone tested the new 8GB class 10 cards? Is there anything faster than a SanDisk 8G Class 6?
[Vibrant General] t1n0m3n:
OK, I see they call it "version 6" but afaik they only closed off ADS and added some transactional stuff, nothing that would actually increase performance... And I cannot find *any* change from Vista (when the article was written) to Windows 7.

Maybe I am not searching for the right thing.

Edit:

Bah, I'm wrong. I am transferring 10GB of data to/from my PC, I will have the speeds and times up shortly.
[Vibrant General] t1n0m3n:
Fat32 Read (Card to PC) - 14.6MB/s (at the end) - 12 minutes 19 seconds

NTFS Write (PC to Card) - 7.91MB/s (at the end) - 22 minutes 50 seconds

NTFS Read (Card to PC) - 15.4MB/s (at the end) - 11 minutes 44 seconds

Fat32 Write (PC to Card) - 6.73MB/s (at the end) - 26 minutes 50 seconds

10.5GB of a few text files and mostly 3 to 10MB music files.

FAT32 got stomped.

N8ter: You are correct for this particular test.

NTFS is faster.

Details:

The card is an Adata 16G class 6 card. I transferred the files using Windows Explorer and timed it via a stopwatch. Time started when the "Copying" window popped up, and stopped when that window disappeared. The MB/s was taken when the "Copying" window said that it had less than 60 seconds left to copy. 11,362,418,488 bytes, 1620 files, 175 folders.

Not very scientific, but it opened my eyes nonetheless. I am comfortable enough to think that the result difference exceeds my personal margin of error so I can claim that NTFS is faster than Fat32 for this particular test.
[Vibrant General] SamsungVibrant:
Fry's has a 32gb class 10 microsd card!

I have been looking for a 32gb class 10 microsd for a while now with no luck, but guess what, Fry's has them now! I saw it there a couple days ago!
[Vibrant General] down8:
http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com...intec-32GB-Micro-Secure-Digital-High-Capacity

$90.

-bZj
[Vibrant General] Q-Bert*:
$82.49 shipped from newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...1411&cm_re=wintec_32gb-_-20-161-411-_-Product
[Vibrant General] Dolphinwigs:
my class 6n says it reads at 10 megabytes per second on the face if the card. 10 should be much higher