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[Vibrant General] ikevinnyii:
Well my vibrants gps is perfect locks within 5 secs accurate compass works correctly and with the new google maps its faster, my vibrant being made recently 10-20 came with preinstalled ji6 which does fix the gps problems, as of now im happy with the vibrant just gonna wait till ota froyo comes which should be really soon, im done flashing custom roms they either made my gps worse or messed up my haptic vibrations ended up exchanging so many times at the tmobile store lol i took full advantage of my 14 day period i think i exchanged 2 vibrants got a G2 hated the G2 so horrible and back to another vibrant. Only thing the nexus really has over the vibrant for me is the flash and gingerbread, but i dont want gingerbread badly enough to sell my brand new vibrant due to froyo coming soon and theres no huge difference between 2.2 and 2.3 compared to 2.1 to 2.2
[Vibrant General] markatl84:
Just got my Nexus S. The final straw for me was the fact that the official Samsung twitter is now saying that they "cannot pinpoint a date" for 2.2, yet they had previously been saying "by the end of the year." So they should be able to at least say by the 31st unless they were lying earlier. I have lost faith in them and will never buy a Samsung phone again unless it is a situation like the Nexus where they are not involved with OS/software.

Anyways, it is what you would expect. Basically a Galaxy S except without Samsung tainting the software and no restrictions of any kind. Samsung makes great hardware but, damn, they suck when it comes to supporting existing customers and software engineering. The camera is nice, though I hope that they add in support for HD video recording (which I'm sure it is capable of). Everything I have tried seems to be very fast and well optimized. I also like the small interface changes in 2.3. The phone actually feels a little heavier/thicker than the Vibrant to me, though it isn't in a bad way like the MT4G (which is ugly, too, IMO). External styling seems nice though not much different.

I'm happy. I got what I wanted: unmodified/unrestricted Android and not waiting forever (if ever) for updates.
[Vibrant General] tissimo:
Interesting the 3D doesn't score as well as the Galaxy S....

It also has relatively slow IO considering its EXT4 partitions.

edit: i guess the NS has an option that slowed the IO down, devs have 'fixed' it and its performing as you would expect..

Also think maybe its just a 2.3 problem with apps maybe causing the 3d scores? well see as time progresses.
[Vibrant General] brian_v3ntura:
the nexus s is NOT identical to the vibrant. i'm just saying.
[Vibrant General] jdeleon:
Supercurio found that they missed a mounting option he already released a voodoo kernel that fixes it
[Vibrant General] quadratic:
I hate to break it to you, but that's a hardware limitation. They may be able to add 720p recording at something less than 30fps, but that's the best you can hope for.

http://twitter.com/supercurio/status/15023985871814656

http://twitter.com/dnaltews/status/15037578596065280
[Vibrant General] markatl84:
I don't fully understand what is being said in that twitter reply... so there is a hardware difference between the Vibrant and Nexus S that prevents HD recording? Seems strange that Google would downgrade the hardware in the S. Then again, they took out the SD slot.

Thanks
[Vibrant General] quadratic:
Basically, the Vibrant had an extra chip that assisted with video recording. There wasn't room for it in the Nexus S, so it won't be able to do 720p.
[Vibrant General] down8:
You don't quite grasp the meaning of the word "identical," do ya?

-bZj
[Vibrant General] Anderdroid:
Won't do 720p? We'll see.

Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.

Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt

Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
I held one. See sigtag. Samaung build quality is nothing to rave about. NS feela cheepee than an HTC aria, and the only thing not last year about this phone is the os... At least for a couple of weeks.

Can care less about this phone. I want a 2.2 update for the one I paid for.
[Vibrant General] vapotrini:
Appreciate the enthusiasm but that's a bit of an exaggeration, no?

From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Are you unaware of the season? I know people expect their GPS to work underground but it doesn't ALWAYS work. That and Nexus owners have this sense of entitlement and ***** at the slightest problem as if battery pack just blew up when the battery meter jumps from 100 to 97 fresh off of the charger.

Thank Google for the FC's and poor call quality. Google has some type of noise compression that's software based. Of course, they're controlling the software which means it's supposed to be 100% awesome 100% of the time.
[Vibrant General] kolyan:
I held one in best buy, and while it is nicer then vibrant, its still nothing special. Gingerbread sucks, I have all gingerbread I need on my vibrant already, I don't really care about game optimization which was the main focus on Ginger. For me its a 50/50 betweeen upgrade and downgrade, the only problem is that its almost 600 bucks....

Hardware let me down, software let me down, maybe developers will surprise me.
[Vibrant General] demo23019:
Yea might have FC but thats because software isn't working with 2.3 and needs to be updated. This is the developers responsibility not Google...Gingerbread is perfect and run absolutely fine.

Also FYI you will always find people complaining about one thing or another doesn't matter how revolutionary and stable a product is...even more so when you dont actually have hands on experience and seems to be looking for as much negative things possible to justify your decision on not getting it ;)

Give it time apparently cryogen team are working on porting to galaxy s

Also dont think im just trying to justify my purchase and will say anything because this isn't the case i still have my vibrant and have 14 days to return to get my money back....so far im keeping it

LOL gingerbread sucks but yet you want your vibrant to look like it BTW how that JIT optimization doing for you on your Gingerbread themed 2.2 that's running on rfs
[Vibrant General] kolyan:
I wanted to say that Gingerbread has very little to offer. It looks good, it has updated copy/paste, keyboard, and optimization for games. I have all those things and more (due to TouchWiz extras) except for optimization for games.....

And frankly speaking, Nero v1 (obviously with JIT) runs very fast and has zero FC.....and it only gets better day by day.

JIT has nothing to do with NS running a bit faster, its ext4. and even after that people are still reporting "laggy browser" in NS, which is THE ONLY issue I have with Vibrant right now.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Blaming RFS for the lag has to be out of style now. Isn't there a new theory with no proof that kinda makes sense?
[Vibrant General] demo23019:
Yea you have JIT anyone with 2.2 has it..im not an idiot

samsung and any other themed samsung 2.2 ROM "Nero" is not optimized for for JIT

Google GB is, and proof is in quadrant CPU score

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9858387&postcount=1

Here is more proof you think nero is 2.3

OMG guy... flash has nothing to do with google.... its up to adobe to optimize flash for hummingbird.

And lol at your comment about JIT having nothing to do with NS being faster

Not to sound like an ass but seriously you have absolutely no clue what you're talking :rolleyes:

Also take another look at the thread title "Vibrant owners with NS" im pretty sure myself and others know the ropes with vibrant. Ive only had one for about 4 months now so no need to bicker ...this thread is to get info from people with hand on experience with both devices. But some of you feel the need to attack for no particular reason ...talking over us and whatnot

Like i said before seems like allot of people here are trying to look for reason to justify their decision on not buying it... ill leave it at that
[Vibrant General] kolyan:
I like new gadgets. I have nexus one and vibrant. I really wanted to like Nexus S, but just like with Nexus one only developers can "save" it. Without them its doesn't have much to offer.

And about the scores, how do u know what brought them up JIT or ext4?
[Vibrant General] epakrat75:
I posted a request (in the Nexus S - Themes / Apps) for the deodexed camera.apk from the nexus S GB build since I'm curious to see if the "Macro" feature of that software will work on the Vibrant or is exclusive to the Nexus S. If it works, that is one less thing to covet about this new device.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=876672
[Vibrant General] demo23019:
Fair question if you run voodoo on vibrant i think that converts the filesystem to ext4 im not 100% sure though

still doesn't seem to help JIT CPU only I/O
[Vibrant General] epakrat75:
Voodoo converts all partitions to EXT4. Robotic voices are heard as the conversion for each partition is performed. I'm using it presently.

Why not just benchmark before / after converting to EXT4? Before conversion = JIT increase alone, after conversion = EXT4 increase alone.
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
why do all that?

just use quadrant advanced.

;)

then put CM6.1 on your vibrant and run quadrant advanced.

;)

:D
[Vibrant General] jokersax11:
The no 720p is a limitation with the codec not the hardware. Its more compressed and designed for better web streaming. That requires more processing. Thus no 720. Change the encoder back and bam 720
[Vibrant General] epakrat75:
That'd be because the advanced edition is not free to all, of course. Good option if you have it already or want to purchase. :D
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Wrong. We all know why there is no 720p. Why spread more misinformation?

Vibrant has extra hardware for that. The Nexus S doesn't have it...
[Vibrant General] willsnews:
I'm sticking with the vibrant
[Vibrant General] vapotrini:
I think it's the specs of the device (or lack thereof) that convinced people like myself not to get one, not the negativity. Personally, I'm only interested in a gingerbread port, nothing more. No amount of glowing reviews would make me buy one when I already own a Vibrant.

It would cost me approximately $200 to sell my Vibrant and upgrade to the Nexus S. Or put another way, it would cost me $200 to get essentially the same phone (minus a few key features), plus Gingerbread. No thank you. I'm waiting for a REAL upgrade.
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
i'm curious about that as well. i want to see a linpack score. i think that would be much more telling of jit optimization than quadrant.
[Vibrant General] Gigamaster89:
I noticed in the quadrant tests of the Nexus S, it still stays on I/O for awhile where as the snapdragons breeze right past it (Youtube: MyTouch 4G vs Nexus S).
[Vibrant General] demo23019:
Nexus S get the same linpack as galaxy s maybe slightly higher but nothing to get excited over

Linpack test FPU N1 snapdragon has 128bit pipeline and is able to produce higher FPU that's twice the data path producing almost exactly twice the fpu of the hummingbird 64bit

IMHO comparing NS to N1 even with its high Mflops is not contest...NS wins by a mile

FPU is overrated and not even noticeable in real world use

True quadrant is overrated and frown upon by allot of people here including myself but that's mainly the i/o test since its already been proven with a simple lag fix that i/o result can be manipulated

that's why its so annoying when people post overrate 20k plus thinking there phone is fastest.

CPU/memory/2d/3d dont seem to have this issue. only time Ive gotten higher than normal score is if i OC and still OC = boost in performance :)

Not saying nexus S is better than galaxy S IMO they both great and both have there own advantages.
[Vibrant General] stealthj:
i9000 +curved screen + 2.3 android -720p (until xda gets to it) - SD card slot - the 850/1900 HSDPA bands... ( not sure on this, may have all bands like our vibrants )

other than that...they are exactly the same... except the samsung and t-mobile junk that our vibrants have of course :)

someone flame me please
[Vibrant General] Gigamaster89:
- gorilla glass and - awesome video codecs
[Vibrant General] kolyan:
Both vibrant and nexus s don't have gorilla glass. But - bluetooth 3.0 for nexus ... and - the cool usb port slider :)
[Vibrant General] tintingkc:
After day two with the nexus s I am boxing it back up and back to the vibrant.

It was worth a try and interesting to see what happens when two manufacturers are faced with working together.

My biggest gripes are...

-The screen. It looks fine dead on and actually has much better whites and color then the vibrant. Once you tilt it ever so slightly you get a yellow tint and it gets worst the more its tilted. And the glass is just terrible on it. Looks like a damn fun house mirror. Neat idea but a rushed one it seems. The vibrant screen does seem more clear. When looking at email or icons on the Nexus S I feel like everything is a bit out of focus.... a bit blurry and choppy.

-Call quality. This is the worst sounding phone I have used to date. The other side of the call sounds like a digitized toy from the 80s and the phone will cut in and out at times.

-Radio. My vibrant is getting better signal overall. Guess an update can fix this like it did with my vibrant. Out of the box its just not as strong and speed test indicate slower speeds on download but faster uploads.

-OS. There are some neat added features and improvements. My issue... its so bland and ugly. I know the devs can make this look good but wow.... to put such a boring skin on such a nice screen and the new device seems like poor planning. No color or flash. I know... not for everyone but even the menu is just boring grey and black.

I know its brand new and things will get better. Problem for me is that its suppose to be better now. Its got the Nexus/Google name. From what I can see, google got to in the middle of things. Sammy can build phones. They do not need help here and the galaxy s line is a solid base. Make the S line more solid feeling and put a damn LED notification light on and add your OS.... Bam! Done!

I would trade the curved screen for a notification LED. Oh well... I knew this all going in but wanted to at least give it a hands on chance. My opinion may differ from others but thats what I got from my time using the Nexus S.

If anything comes of this phone I hope its the aid in development for the galaxy s line.
[Vibrant General] jokersax11:
Okay ill bite the hummingbird was designed for mpeg/h.264 encoding. Nexus s uses webm. Please find a vibrant breakdown then the nexus s breakdown and point out the external encoder

Edit. Quote failed page 3 for post reference
[Vibrant General] KWKSLVR:
All Galaxy S's have Gorilla Glass. http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/24/samsung-galaxy-s-sporting-gorilla-glass-to-protect-that-precious/
[Vibrant General] tenbeau:
I picked up a Nexus S yesterday. I have had it for about 32 hours give or take. So far the Nexus S has touch screen issues-Poor GPS- One other thing ( although I am not sure if it is just part of GB or not) when you touch the phone dialer i you go to favorites, which I do not like as it takes another gesture to just get to the key pad to make a call. Suprising to me it also happens with Contacts-touch the contact icon and you go to favorites not to contacts. Not a big deal but does irritate me. The GPS while perhaps being a little better than the Vibrant when I firt got the Vibrant,however after the fixes etc. it does not lock as fast or as accurate and just jumps around. After flashing Nero V1 I have decided to take the Nexus S back. I cannot really tell that much ( if any) difference between the two devices except that I have a ext. sd with the Vibrant and I believe the screen is better on the Vibrant. I just saved myself $600.00 lol These are just my opinions and are not meant to demean the Nexus S in any way. It is a very nice phone.
[Vibrant General] kolyan:
Thanks. I guess then Gorilla Glass is "crack-proof", but not scratch resistant. My first vibrant scratched VERY easy, it was actually the first phone that I ended up scratching......Still good to know after 5 month :) I guess another reason why Vibrant is better.

edit: looks like Tmobile shutting down Tzones for Nexus S (at least thats whats happening right now) < Tzones is/was a major selling point for Nexus.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
I don't get it. What is up with Manufacturers refusing to put Notification LEDs in their phones. I'm almost starting to regret selling my HD2.

There's nothing like going back to my phone and having to turn it on just to see if I got something while I was away from it.

It doesn't have to be fancy. One green or orange light that comes on when you have a notification is MORE than fine...

Could have put it where the FFC goes, since we (Vibrant users) don't have one anyways...

I never realized how much I relied on the Notification LED until I got this phone. My last 3 phones all had one (Jack, Aria, HD2).
[Vibrant General] Vegastouch:
The Vibrant does have the Gorilla glass. And the Vibrant also is the one with Bluetooth 3.0, not Nexus S. The Nexus S has Bluetooth 2.1
[Vibrant General] quadratic:
http://twitter.com/dnaltews/status/15037578596065280

Confirmed by a Nexus S kernel developer. Is that good enough?
[Vibrant General] tintingkc:
The part that gets me is the fact that they put it on the Epic. The have the part and can make it work. Its a bummer not to see it on the Vibrant and Fascinate. I would at least expect it on the NS.

That was hard to get used to coming from my N1.
[Vibrant General] jokersax11:
Yes I read that as well. However you claimed they removed it. How bout just look at both breakdowns. The soc is not changed. It is still possible maybe not probable but still possible. Btw 720 support is thanks to touchwiz changes.
[Vibrant General] quadratic:
I've claimed nothing. The explanation was provided by Brian Swetland, an engineer at Google involved with the Nexus S kernel.

The SoC is the same. That is not the issue. The Galaxy S phones have an additional IC, the NEC MC-10170.

MC-10170 pictured on the Vibrant camera module:

Nexus S camera module:

Notice a difference besides the front-facing camera on the Nexus S module? That's right, no MC-10170!
[Vibrant General] brian_v3ntura:
still not exactly the same. different GPS implementation, 720p is hardware limited,
[Vibrant General] kolyan:
I know......

Yeah, I expected that epic led to land on NS. Wtf were they thinking.....

Maybe it cab be modded just like ffc? Although if it was possible I would have been discussed already

I would trade flash and led for all the crap ns has, nfc chip, curved class, coating...hey, even keep the the Gingerbread just give me those 2 features!
[GT540 Optimus Themes and Apps] EoinSheehy:
I may have unintelligently tried to change the battery indicator on my phone, it didn't work (needless to say!) and I've now got no battery indicator at all, is there any working Metamorph battery indicator for the GT540?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SphericalPuma:
I know that the galaxy s i9000 as well as the vibrant support this feature, and was wondering if anyone had tried it on a nexus s. I don't have the cables to test it.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CaliLove310:
I don't have the proper cables to test this either. But I don't see why they wouldn't advertise this if the Nexus S was capable of this feature.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SphericalPuma:
They didn't advertise it on the Vibrant, it was only until CNET did a review that they found out about it, kind of like how they didn't advertise that the Vibrant supported the 1900 HSPDA band.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CaliLove310:
I did not know that. Seems like all hope isn't lost then. This would be a feature I would be very interested in. I have my old Zune cable somewhere in the house. I'll see if I can dig them up and test it out. Hopefully someone with the cables in hand can test it out for us though.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kolyan:
Galaxy has TV-out in settings, I am sure NS doesnt
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] koyanishi:
I tried to connect to tv with my nokia n82 cable that has the 3 rca plugs but no joy.

Also, there is no tv-out option in the display menu
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CaliLove310:
Is this something that could be enabled through some custom roms? If it is capable of this
[Vibrant General] Damonkashu:
I used ODIN to revert back to stock kernel, rooted my vibrant, then I installed rom manager from the market.

However, when I start rom manager and click "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery", nothing actually happens! I don't get prompted to select a phone model or anything. Upon rebooting into recovery, I don't even get to the clockwork mod recovery screen. What gives?
[Vibrant General] ipetloudog:
it's driving me nuts and i'm going to set dev's on fire, esp since i just downloaded nero. samsung doesn't seem to be supported with the new update as of the last 24 hours and now i need a new method for getting into clockwork without using terminal or adb of any of that stuff. im not a total noob, but trying to work with that is like trying to read spanish. no comprehendo'
[Vibrant General] Damonkashu:
the weird thing is that I was able to use rom manager in the past to go from samsung's stock firmware to Onyx, and again when I went to Nero Beta. I don't understand why it would stop working now.
[Vibrant General] ipetloudog:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=9869448#post9869448

BAM!!!!! clockwork backdoor confirmed.

installing nero as i type.
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
^ thanks for sharing the fix. Fyi though, koush has fixed the server issue. All is well.
[Omnia 7 General] uristic:
Hi guys, I have my omnia 7 for less then a week now and I found it's battery life terrible, the worst performance ever. It drys off in less then a half of day with general use. I fill the battery to 100% over the night and then I wake up in the morning at 5.30am and when I'm back from school sometimes it's allmost empty, sometimes is at about 20% with a usage of About 15 mins of gaming, some browsing/facebook.. few calls and sms and an hour or two of music playback.

I have wifi, bluetooh, push mail, feedback and locations off. Have also been reading on the social.answers microsoft forum about that and there were different tought. I'm wondering how is it with yours.. is it REALLY this bad or it is something wrong with my phone/battery. I don't want to take it back if all are like this as it will be at least one week on service.
[Omnia 7 General] robnewton1:
mine is on par with any other smartphone ive owned. i can get 24 hours out of it comfortable. thats with about 30 mins calls, 15-20 sms, 30-40 mins gaming, wifi, bluetooth, location & feedback all turned on, windows live & facebook hourly sync & 5 email accounts syncing between every hour & every 2 hours. i have noticed battery life seems to suffer when i use last.fm over HSDPA so maybe its something related to music playback. but even with 3-4 hours of last.fm im still getting 13-14 hours.
[Omnia 7 General] c010:
mine is running fine.

1. exchange mail

2. google mail

3. facebook sync

4. average 10 minutes surfing

5. 10 minutes game

6. less than 20 sms

7. average 10 minutes voice call

morning 9AM full charged and at least 60% by 8PM
[Omnia 7 General] uristic:
ok thank you guys for reply.. I'm deffinetly taking it back for a replacement on monday.
[Omnia 7 General] T045T:
It could be some app running under the lock screen draining your battery, like a game or Last.fm... other than that, yeah, sounds like a replacement is in order :(