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[Nexus S General] CraigP17:
BBY mobile doesn't do partial upgrades. Yeah yeah BBY mobile blows...get real. Authorized retailer of T-Mobile so its just as much T-Mobile fault that they don't allow partial upgrades in authorized retailers. Not the retailer's fault.

If the BBY had a cabinet full of ns and wouldn't sell to you on contract, then it wasn't one of the 220 T-Mobile post paid selling best buy locations. Plain and simple.

Why is T-Mobile not in more best buy locations? They are not a top tier carrier in the US. Heck id personally rank them 4th out of the 4 major carriers. They sure don't rank high in subscribers...best buy wants to take care of as many people as possible. Having T-Mobile doesn't help you do that.
[Touch HD Android Development] Stickman89:
Guys & Gals,

We really should start focussing on android on NAND for us blackstone users.

I will be glad to help and I will be updating this post and the below on my progress.

The Rhodium have now fixed their panel issues they were experiencing on nand thanks to ACL.

Link: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=870081

(BLACKSTONE USERS DO NOT FLASH ANY FILES FROM THE ABOVE LINK - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)

As I have said beforehand we will need to trace the NAND memory access points via haret to input the correct values into the tinboot source before compiling, once that has been done we can create a nbh with a kernel and all other relevant files to initialise tinboot. I will have a crack at that so that we at least get tinboot loaded but I may need some help from willing developers if any.

Once we have tinboot sucessfully initialised we will then move onto the more daunting task's of booting the userland and initialising hardware as at the moment winmo is doing that for us.

Welcoming any developers wishing to help.

Best Regards,

ST1Cl<^^aN
[Touch HD Android Development] Stickman89:
Reserved...
[Touch HD Android Development] Stickman89:
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[Touch HD Android Development] mero0100:
good idea man

but sorry i didn't have any knowledge a bout that

all what i can say is goooo ahead man
[Touch HD Android Development] cribuj:
I think that's a great ideea but first we need the nand map which is hard and tricky to obtain . After that, it will be a piece of cake .
[Touch HD Android Development] Kaherdin:
Go go go

Devs, please do this. Sorry to say I dont have any usefullness in the project. Maybe as a tester :P
[Touch HD Android Development] g3rm0:
Well, for now there's no Blackstone specific development (at least @ #htc-linux) because there are no devs with our phone. Camro and OliWe went AWOL and even people with much less skill are not active at the moment.

Anyway if we'll find just one person interested in doing this - I'm happy to help (testing/building/research/tracing).
[Touch HD Android Development] moharu:
maybe we could ask other devs to help us

like neopeek???..............
[Touch HD Android Development] g3rm0:
I'm sure they will help us, but we REALLY need someone with Blackstone & coding skills to do NAND boot. Other devs are busy fixing bugs in "common" kernel or their specific devices.

BTW. Neopeek won't help because he builds Android system and we need a Linux kernel guys.
[Touch HD Android Development] Stickman89:
If I can get hold of DZO things can progress further hopefully. I will keep you all updated.
[Touch HD Android Development] zagitta:
Actually Neopeek is searching for NAND devs for our blackstone: http://www.neopeek.com/forum/Android-ROMs/2595-Searching-for-NAND-Developers
[Touch HD Android Development] g3rm0:
So he's in the exact same spot? ;)
[Touch HD Android Development] moharu:
maybe

as we are not developers

and neopeek webiste has a developer forum which we can see at the moment

but he might be working on it with other developers

i hope :)
[Touch HD Android Development] accountabc:
of course you could always ask neopeek ;). Maybe some other guys over at neopeek can help you.

NAND for our blackstones would be awesome :). I'd love to test it when it's done. Will be keeping an eye on this thread for sure.
[Touch HD Android Development] moharu:
NAND for our blackstones would be awesome :). I'd love to test it when it's done. Will be keeping an eye on this thread for sure.[/QUOTE]

me too :)
[Touch HD Android Development] xUmaRix:
yes we all would love that but we need a lot of kernel level development,porting,hacking and testing before we could move to NAND.
[Touch HD Android Development] moharu:
yh but since other android build have not been updating yet

maybe of the holidays or gingerbeard

looks like the updates might come next year (january i hope)
[Touch HD Android Development] RDilus:
if some one get nand to work i will donate him really if the first person with full functions work with nand ill donate the person 20 usd!
[Touch HD Android Development] Thegn:
Would be great if Magldr or LK worked with our Blackstones. I don't know how much work it would be since I'm not a hardcore programmer. Right now a lot of focus is on HD2 and Rhodiums though. Hope devs are not forgetting Blackstone.
[Touch HD Android Development] zagitta:
This is indeed a sad trend i've also noticed, no one really seems to care about our poor blackstone :/
[Touch HD Android Development] radichev:
Check this out - http://www.neopeek.com/viewforum.php?f=62&sid=c31ccce964d3bd520c60e62e950dca9d

There is a DEV section with a Tinboot/NAND thread.
[Touch HD Android Development] g3rm0:
We'll need a lot of work with the device drivers. I'm still not sure what's most important since we can't boot for now (so no way to tell how things are in Android). Current problem with boot is most likely related to SMD (ARM9 crashes all the time), but the GSM Rhod guys have the same issues. I'm not trying to fix that since they have much more experience and we're basically using they work with minimal changes. Tinboot doesn't have to be touched now. We'll have to find correct sizes for ram and partitions when we go full NAND.

You can find important info there:

http://htc-linux.org - it's the main source of useful information about porting linux to HTC MSM7k2 devices.

Nate's guide on building NBHs - a useful post about everything NAND related.

http://gitorious.org/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm - our git repo for HaRET kernel

http://gitorious.org/~acl/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm-rhod-nand - git repo for NAND kernel on Rhods

http://gitorious.org/~stickman89/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm-blac-nand - I use this as a base since it's giving me the best results but the plan is to use Rhod NAND kernel in the future (once we sort out the most important issues)

Also I can share my files via PM if you're interested.

It seems they are still behind us. I see no progress there unfortunately :(
[Touch HD Android Development] g3rm0:
Exactly! You would have to write a sd card driver that works with bootloader - an impossible task for tinboot since it's simplicity. Uboot was considered an option but AFAIK porting it to MSM7k2 would be a real pain (I heard almost everything is hardcoded, so no compile time or runtime options for different devices). LK was also in the works but I don't know it's current status and finally MAGLDR is almost done for Rhods. Our best option (and only one working) for now is tinboot. When we'll have a fully booting kernel we can run further tests by using kexec to avoid flashing too often ;)
[Touch HD Android Development] oshan:
Files via PM would be appreciated g3rm0.

X.
[Touch HD Android Development] mohit.joshi:
i think chatting in group would help communication between the invovled devs.

how about and IRC channel ?
[Touch HD Android Development] g3rm0:
Stickman retired so I've made a new repo on gitorious. Now anyone can build his own kernel (with working screen and correct colors). Send me any patches and fixes and I'll add them ;)

Link: http://gitorious.org/~g3rm/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm-blac-nand-tests

The purpose of this repo is mostly to re-add Blackstone related code to NAND kernel until GSM radio/SMD related issues will be fixed.
[Touch HD Android Development] Ghostface1979:
any luck yet ? We( I mean you dev's) are very close right ?

Can't wait getting my hands on android on my blackstone:D
[Touch HD Android Development] detlef25:
Sorry guys, I'm swamped with my masters thesis. I actually got a Blackstone given to me but with a busted LCD. When I fix that I'll be able to hack on it again. No progress with the Raph.

@g3rm0: Thanks for setting up the repo.
[Touch HD Android Development] blaex:
please, give it a kick, these would be so wonderful if we get it done!

first time i would donate ... i swear.
[Touch HD Android Development] Spige:
Stopped???

Nothing happend here?? OMG !!! still waiting dont give it up boys!!!!
[Touch HD Android Development] Numptyfied:
They are working in secret.

This is the HTC Blackstone "Skunk Works"

;)
[Touch HD Android Development] g3rm0:
Relax guys. Development didn't stop. There's just a major issue blocking progress right now but I'm sure it will be resolved soon. Sometimes obstacles like this can slow things down but there's nothing that can't be fixed ;)
[Touch HD Android Development] if08009:
nothing imposible guyz.. I'm sure it can be happen..
[Touch HD Android Development] redoano:
I don't think it is not possible men, no stopping, u can do it
[Touch HD Android Development] redoano:
Me too bro, i will donate too. I have never donated before, waiting for android to donate for the first time :)
[Touch HD Android Development] PepijnXperia:
Yeah I agree! I will consider donating aswel. I'm available as tester! Can't wait to flash my blackstone!!
[Touch HD Android Development] mickeystar:
Just read 20 pages on this thread please- get android rom onto blackstone we all know windows mobile is rubbish, if only htc put android on this phone in the ****in’ first place! Wish I could help but im a phone noob, how close are u guys?
[Touch HD Android Development] mitikos:
I think it didn't stop, but they find an issue that is common with rodhium.

Since in rodhium's section there are more developers working, we only have to wait they fix theur problem and then we should also go on with it
[Touch HD Android Development] rainbowsky:
I will wait, iI think they can do it! :D
[Touch HD Android Development] mickeystar:
hurry up lol i cant handle winmo
[Touch HD Android Development] redoano:
Windows sux :)
[Touch HD Android Development] Eodun:
Please, dont' take this message in a bad way, but dev's are doing their best. All of us are anxious about nand, but I don't think messages like "please do it" or "when it wil b done" help much.

Probably "I'll donate" helps more (lol)... Anyway, we are messing this thread with unhelpful messages, so please keep them under control.

I repeat, don't take this in a bad way.
[Touch HD Android Development] mickeystar:
shut up!:p
[Touch HD Android Development] Numptyfied:
Bump

:D
[Touch HD Android Development] radichev:
Here is something better than "BUMP", a preview on TP2 - http://windowsphonehacker.com/dft_releases_video_of_android_nand_on_htc_rhodium-03-06-11.php
[Touch HD Android Development] PepijnXperia:
Well, thats quite a big step right?
[Touch HD Android Development] Kapie:
It's not the blackstone :\
[Touch HD Android Development] PepijnXperia:
It isn't the blackstone but it's a similar model right? Hardware-wise...
[Touch HD Android Development] Eodun:
Pretty similar, but the problem is that they are using MAGLDR, meaning it's propietary source. If they want to work with Blackstone, perhaps we'll have NAND, but not with XDAndroid.
[Touch HD Android Development] xUmaRix:
if u wanna make NAND progress faster buy a blac100 and donate to jerome
[Touch HD Android Development] magfal:
seems theres more than one active gits

Check this git:

http://gitorious.org/~xsesiv/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm-blac-nand-test
[Touch HD Android Development] bejorn:
It's really a good news~~~
[Touch HD Android Development] wei2005yh:
a blac100 is about $150 i will buy it,but you need to deliever it to jerome, btw,i m in china:D
[Touch HD Android Development] Mjuksel:
dunno if there is a dev in holland, id 'lend' my BS to him when i get my new phone :)
[Touch HD Android Development] magfal:
Same if there is a dev in norway my blackstone is available for loan and if it bricks it bricks
[Touch HD Android Development] PepijnXperia:
Is there anywhere we can follow the progress? See which problems they run into...
[Touch HD Android Development] magfal:
The git mentioned on the middle of pade 19 in this thread and all the other forks from its parrent
[Touch HD Android Development] am20033:
anyone here tested neopeeks solution for "SMD: ch 0 OPENING -> OPENED" on our blackstone?

FYI its mentioned in this post: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/android-t...x05-nand-testing-new-ril-207.html#post2073210
[Touch HD Android Development] Spige:
No hope???

This thread is dead is NAND for blackstone also dead??
[Touch HD Android Development] Kapie:
im afraid so...
[Touch HD Android Development] redoano:
Devs are not dealing with our blackstone :( Tiad8 works on it as far as i know. but i am not sure if he is focusing on it :(
[Touch HD Android Development] Kapie:
yeah our good old blackstone :P
[Touch HD Android Development] am20033:
the main devs are working on rhodium! their cdma devices work properly, but gsm users have still the same problem as our blackstone. if they solve the problem on their rhodium gsm devices there will be a big chance their roms can be ported to our blackstone easily. it seems they stopped support for gsm long time ago and now they are figuring out what is missing.
[Touch HD Android Development] Kapie:
i have no idea what cdma is, but if i understand you right: this is gonna take a while
[Touch HD Android Development] am20033:
cdma and gsm are the two major telecommunication standards used by the local carriers. the main devs i was talking about live in the usa and their carriers use the cdma standard.

i dont know when it will be ready to use. maybe tomorrow... or never...
[Touch HD Android Development] mero0100:
toooo silence here

so is it the time to buy an android phone and pollute our world with the old blackstone??
[Touch HD Android Development] becinko91:
It looks ,WM will die just like Symbian ... the android-sect is everywhere ...
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
WinMo is dead

WM7 is dead

Microsoft didn't listen, and left their efforts way too late for people to care.

People moved to iPhone, and those that still knew how good WinMo was (underneath the lousy UI) hung on as long as we could. Android now compares just as well with WinMo, and has a bright future, where as WinMo is dying.

The king is dead, long live the king.
[Touch HD Android Development] tomal:
Well said buddy!

I'm really upset because WinMo is dying, I love WinMo. WP will die very soon because it has no dimension. M$ just jumped into desert. They tried to kick XDA but it worked like boomerang!
[Touch HD Android Development] nasko_spasko:
There is no future in Microsoft, the future is in the OPENsource systems.
[Touch HD Android Development] xUmaRix:
stop whinning and wishing.Pack your blac100 and send to Jerome aka viruscrazy.He and the other devs can help us.That's what ACL and Rhod guys did.They shipped a Rhod to viruscrazy for him to help them.As i recall Jerome now have diam100 and rhod100.So if u guys want to make this development move but you dont have skills to reverse engineering or testing you can help buy shipped to Jerome a blac100 for him.It is easy if the developers had the real device
[Touch HD Android Development] Kapie:
That is kind of impossible, since my blackstone is the only phone I have. I think most people have one phone...
[Touch HD Android Development] jeanfrederic:
If open source means Google, there will be a problem :D
[Touch HD Android Development] toricky2005:
Yes me too

I am still waiting for NANDROID for my Blackstone
[Touch HD Android Development] Simon_WM:
Wating for that day to come =)
[Touch HD Android Development] nasko_spasko:
I mean Linux (based on UNIX), I don't mean Google. Google just based their system on Linux. I like the Android, what about you?
[Touch HD Android Development] Kapie:
Is that nand? Like a (winmo) rom that you flash and you have android on your device?
[Touch HD Android Development] Lothaen:
there'll be one eventually (possibly friday)

and yes - looking at the threads/posts it will be flashable like a winmo rom - may require a couple of extra steps though?
[Touch HD Android Development] Numptyfied:
we need some more action on this thread. It has been too quiet. bump! :D
[Touch HD Android Development] mrbennett:
You guys need to go to tiad8 and neopeek.com for the latest builds and nand news and boycott aaarrgh(troll) in this forum due to bad mouthing testers,devs and everyone else involved with making a difference in other forums. Come on nand is here and these builds are great made better from real devs not trolls who take credit for nothing.
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
lol, sending people away from the site where development started for Android on WinCE phones...

Sounds like it's not only against the rules of this site, but also a really bad idea.
[Touch HD Android Development] Kapie:
Devs on xda also take credit for nothing... (and is aaarrgh a troll? check his thanks meter)
[Touch HD Android Development] mrbennett:
Look aaarrgh is a sarcastic troll who puts down kernel devs and devs in general because he or she doesn't help no one off he's own back. Shame because I for one was dragged in by this Muppet. I don't need to high Jack other forums pretending to be someone else. Or do I.
[Touch HD Android Development] Laestel:
Why don't you all stop to attack arrrghhh and xda. You know who are you attacking? Xda is the biggest forum about phone development and arrrghhh is a senior member, a tester and a person who is helping other people (look at his thanks meter). So please stop, respect the community and go away if you don't like staying here!!!
[Touch HD Android Development] ypsmav:
Hi All,

just to bring the Nand rom back.

Was anyone able to run a decent nand build on the blackstone?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Not to my knowledge. I was trolling for someone to donate an old Blackstone to ACL, who is working diligently on the Rhodium.... He's the only NAND dev on the RHOD at the moment unfortunately, so to say he's spread rather thin is an understatement. So if someone does donate a Blackstone (still trolling!) it certainly won't happen in a day... but as the saying goes, neither was Rome ;).
[Touch HD Android Development] am20033:
@arrrghhh

are you sure ACL wants to develop on the blackstone? if the answer is yes:

what do you think about a donation-thread? if there is no one with a spare blackstone we could donate the money to the xdandroid team. everybody who donates because of this purpose could leave a messege like "blackstone", so you know what the money is for. it would be really nice if you could buy him one, because shipping to the USA costs about 16€ and thats almost 1/4 of the price for a blackstone :P.

i hope that there are some people who are willing to buy ACL a christmas present!
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
ACL I'm sure would gladly help work on the Blackstone if he had one in his hands. AFAIK that device is really quite behind on the kernel dev side, so it would take him quite some time to get it functional - but he surely would be able to eventually.

Anyone willing to donate a device or money can see his Paypal:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=Y8RGAN4VEEV2Q
[Touch HD Android Development] am20033:
can you talk to ACL and clear everything up that every donation with the word "blackstone" in the purpose-field will be used to buy a blackstone?

70$ should be enough to buy one right? i am willing to donate the first 10$ if there are at least 6 more people who donate, too.

everybody who wants to contribute should post here!
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
I'm sure if you put 'blackstone' in the donor box he'll get the point.
[Touch HD Android Development] fagyi:
Log

Here is it one log from my blackstone with sim card and with compiled xdandroid from source and kernel from blac-nand-kernel source

+ using acl's nand libhtcgeneric-ril.so

audio working now but only via headset, with right smd.c and blackstone board little changes + added headset support.

hw keys make it full brightness than few min and jump to minimal, but autobrightness should work good just gpio make it the bug i think.

if you want help on blackstone users.

thank you
[Touch HD Android Development] fagyi:
3g & Lcd backlight on nand

Hello everyone!

I have a very good news on Blackstone nand.

I got it working 3G data connection, so i can sync with my google, etc on NAND, plus i fixed Lcd backlight on nand kernel so screen/display now ~same as with sd version. / pushing tomorrow to the git because im very tried now /

I dont know another say just that : :D & finally we know that this is not just dream!

I think I'm a first blackstone user who is got it working, but the full credit of course move to the acl for the source!

I need some another work too, because i dont get speaker audio working just headset and i think call sound but i dont test this so far.

I want share this versions on this weekend for testing!

Patience!

All the best!

fagyi
[Touch HD Android Development] mchlebowski:
congrats!! waiting :) WIFI works?
[Touch HD Android Development] fagyi:
unfortunately not yet
[Touch HD Android Development] foulke:
Great job fagyi !

I'm waiting for wifi to be ok to switch to your ROM ! (I have a limited data account)
[Touch HD Android Development] masrterk:
Thanks great NEWS can´t wait for a new Nand Rom
[Touch HD Android Development] mfsr98:
Thanks for blocking the threads, now we get 3G working :D
[Touch HD Android Development] fagyi:
+ speaker audio working here.

Today got it fixes for this on the kernel

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[Touch HD Android Development] mfsr98:
great job, keep it up ;)
[Touch HD Android Development] DerSandmann:
Very, very nice work ! The ROM is fast, stable son its for everyday use, like I do it now.

Only thing that is missing is the data connexion.

So thank you very much.

DerSandmann
[Touch HD Android Development] :
maybe this is an solution to all blackstone users:http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1869673
[Touch HD Android Development] mfsr98:
its uselles to come here with HD2 links. Just because the HD2 is this phone sucessor, doesnt mean it will help on any way- the HD2 is the double of the Touch HD (literally)
[Touch HD Android Development] :
Maybe if you read the whole thread you can see that they manage to start from HARET and put the whole system on EXT4 instead of FAT32 wich is much faster

I"m a former blackstone user and my daughter still has one
[Touch HD Android Development] mfsr98:
Well, that's basically not NAND. What we need is to fix NAND Android and not using HaRET. Inspite of looking like a nice project, it's not our point and from what the thread says we need MAGLDR, so... But I can always try, who knows...
[Touch HD Android Development] :
That’s what i mean ,you don’t need MAGLDR to install , so maybe there’s not that much to change, i’m not a dev but i see the comparison.

Infact this is faster than NAND
[Touch HD Android Development] mfsr98:
It's actually being thought now. Will see...
[Touch HD Android Development] fagyi:
I think i got it soon the wifi working on nand. Just one thing needed. Now its enabled :) i know whats the only issue now so its close! ;)

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[Touch HD Android Development] mfsr98:
upsssssssi :o
[Touch HD Android Development] foulke:
nooo ??? Unbeleivable !!

You're the best.
[Touch HD Android Development] mchlebowski:
can't wait!! congrats:)
[Touch HD Android Development] dastimlein:
would help in anyway, but im not a developer, im only math student ^^...

im waiting for nandroid for years, and now its so near.

please keep working - great job!
[Touch HD Android Development] masrterk:
NAND for blackstone is finaly working new icebread Nand Rom works just fine

thanks