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[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
Thank you for further proving my point that no one here is actually willing to take any risk, just defraud insurance if something goes wrong.
[EVO 4G Android Development] EVOme:
It is what it is...MS is genius! Also, some guy challenges MS' work and he's made to remove his kernels. Has a single phone using his kernel fubar yet....Nooooo, so until someone has tangible information..it's drivel to me.

Great work, MS!
[EVO 4G Android Development] bwcorvus:
Lets try something. Say i buy a car, and then change the engine. Because this engine has to much power, i wreck the car. Is using insurance to pay for fixing the car, defrauding the company? I already showed you on the site is says

For mechanical or electrical failure

. Show me where this says its not covered if i make the failure from changing the "engine". It does not say it has to be an accident. Just like if your phone is stolen, its that an accident? Nope and its covered also. This is my last reply. I will use the kernel in both my phones until it burns your house down, then and only then, will i change it on my new phone i get legally from the insurance company.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
I think I'm on to something...that doesnt have anything to do with charging btw...it has to do with battery loss...I just noticed something odd while playing witih some files. I'll report back tomorrow.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
More than one person has "challenged" his work and yes more than a "single" phone has "fubared" while having his kernel installed.

I would suggest actually reading around instead of making assumptions.
[EVO 4G Android Development] dkdude36:
this could be bigger than that charging thing!!!! (ill talk about it in past tense until you put the links back up.)
[EVO 4G Android Development] HondaCop:
Keep at it, bro, you still have a TON of supporters.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] EVOme:
Just tell me we'll be getting more kernels. I'll toss up an FTP in 20 mins and admin you and we can do this thing elsewhere. "Use at your own risk" is all that needs to be stated.

..............dots.......................dots...............+11tybillion!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] HondaCop:
And you believe everything that's said on the Internet? lol pathetic.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] bwcorvus:
I'm waiting...
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
What it Covers:	Mechanical or electrical failure, routine maintenance, and failure

from normal wear and tear

. File your replacement request within 60 days of incident.

http://shop.sprint.com/en/services/service_repair/phone_protection_services.shtml

It's not hard to read, it even says it in the post that you quoted it. [except there is no "OR" as you tried to put in their conveniently]
[EVO 4G Android Development] EVOme:
Well, tell me this...We all have been using his kernels around the same amount of time. This thread is how many hundreds of pages..we all have different versions of the phone...they all are reacting differently and I have not yet ONCE to read in this thread to stay clear cause a phone was destroyed. I'm willing to bet it's a dev out there that's screwing with his code and made changes that fubar'd them.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=890448

That doesn't include the many posts by engineers and battery technicians nor does it include other Android forums and their posts.
[EVO 4G Android Development] neonfreak20:
Cmon Guys, Who cares about the Debate. If u don't wanna use the Kernel Then don't... But to those that wanna use it, Let it be... End of story :)

BTW, Lets all remember that as soon as you mod your software (root) on your phone. Technically you voided your warranty :rolleyes: So to say that this is or isn't covered under warranty is Irrelevant...
[EVO 4G Android Development] HondaCop:
Engineers and battery technicians? Where were they when we have had horrible battery performances since the EVO was released and not one came onboard to help us find a solution? Have these self proclaimed engineers been legitimately certified or corroborated to certainly be who they claim to be?

Anyone can come on a forum, google up some technical info and make themselves look like JPL scientists. So please stop all the ballwashing of these so called engineers. It's pitiful to say the least.

I wouldn't be surprised to see CEOs begin to register on the forums once we start discussing the carrier's business model decisions.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] EVOme:
I appreciate your efforts, Matty, but i'm a **** doesn't stink kind of guy.....until I smell it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
You done trying to downplay what you clearly don't want to hear?

The fact is you can tell the difference between someone that has Googled something and someone that clearly understands what it is they are talking about.

Just because you want to downplay what's being said, because you don't want to hear it, doesn't make anything pitiful.

No only that but actual websites [such as androidcentral] have posted articles citing sources saying that these kernels are generally not safe.

No, you're clearly a "if it doesn't say what I want it to say then I completely dismiss it" kind of guy. As evidence by the Sprint insurance etc.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Cole28:
I'm not saying the people in that thread are lying but how many have said it burned up there battery/phone without proof besides a post saying "Me to!"
[EVO 4G Android Development] Skully00:
Lol, I like the analogies here. Its like you put new performance tires on your Porshe and then it catches fire when you park it outside the quickie mart. Is it the tires aka "kernels" you installed or the countless other tweaks you did to the car, hey maybe it was the pine tree scented air freshner on the rear view mirror. At any rate, Im not very knowing when it comes to this stuff but im running Virus Rom 5.3 and the 4.3 more havs sbc and its working great, only thanks cause at the end of the day I still have over 60% battery left after alot of text, web, and phone calls far better than anything else I have ever used and not broken my phone with.
[EVO 4G Android Development] EVOme:
Good night, Matty
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
Bwahahahaha
[EVO 4G Android Development] bwcorvus:
Ok i said i was done, but i got one more. I did not add anything. You can clearly see the word OR in the insurance site, not sprints site. http://www.phoneclaim.com/sprint-faqs

"Who do I contact to receive a replacement handset?

For lost, stolen or damaged handsets, please contact Asurion Customer Care at 1-800-584-3666.

Hours of Operation are Monday-Friday: 7am-11pm CST and Saturday & Sunday: 8am-9pm CST.

For mechanical or electrical failure, routine maintenance

or

failure from normal wear and tear, you can obtain a covered repair or replacement by visiting a Sprint Store Repair Center. Visit www.sprint.com/storelocator for a location near you. "

PS. My name is not HondaCop but he approves this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] HondaCop:
LMAO

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Seagrizzly:
Um silly question, but does it work? and have people blown their crap up using this. All I see after the update of the kernel is info about warranty stuff.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
That tells you where you go for each type of issue, not what it covers.

Try reading and not skewing the facts.

I again repost it:

What it Covers:	Mechanical or electrical failure, routine maintenance, and failure from normal wear and tear. File your replacement request within 60 days of incident.

http://shop.sprint.com/en/services/service_repair/phone_protection_services.shtml
[EVO 4G Android Development] tyler.durden:
Plenty of support still on here, man.

I think if these kernels were so bad for phones, there would be more than 2 or 3 people that would be having issues. I'm no expert but I would be looking at the hardware before anything else....battery condition, charger, etc. Just doesn't add up that so many of us are seeing nothing but benefits and still so many people jump to the conclusion that the kernel is to blame. All because a guy posted up his smoked phone and simply blamed it on the SBC kernel.
[EVO 4G Android Development] aimbdd:
Wrong. I am using this kernel, and i don't have any kind of phone warranty.

Also: Isn't this disclaimer when you root your phone that you no longer have a warranty and damage my follow?
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
Claiming you don't have a warranty doesn't mean it's so.

Nor was the quoted post talking directly to you.

And yes, the warnings are all over the place, much like they should be for this kernel if it's going to be allowed.

The difference is ms said "it will not damage your phone".

If someone claimed that rooting "does not void your warranty" or "guaranteed will not brick your phone" the same issue would be brought up.

[Although the blatant insurance fraud is still an issue, but seperate.]
[EVO 4G Android Development] casper97ta:
It sucks that this thread is getting derailed so bad. It really is pretty simple, If you dont want to use the kernels then dont. If other people want to then they should be able to. Again I thank MS for all the time and work he put into this and look forward to any updates or other things he has in store for us. Keep it up MS, Like somebody else said there still a ton of support for these kernels.
[EVO 4G Android Development] tmwilsoniv:
Oh really?

I love the SBC kernels. Just switched to the Net 4.3.1. cfs-havs-sbc-universal an hour ago, just for ****s & grins. Hell, tomorrow, I might just flash another SBC kernel. I can't get enough of a good thing. I love this stuff!! If I fry a battery, no gig deal. I have three spares from when my Evo was factory-fresh, running to factory specs, and needed a couple of spares to get through the day. In the incredibly unlikely event that my Evo spontaneously combusts, you may accuse me of taking a risk, but not insurance fraud. I don't carry it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] GadgetMonger:
Yup. Plenty of warnings. Plenty of endorsements of SBC kernels. I have yet to see one post saying "Damn! This kernel blew up my phone! " Hmmm.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
So you don't read?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10559139&postcount=4102

And no, there was no warning on this thread. It flat out said it will not damage your phone.
[EVO 4G Android Development] EVO-lution of Man:
I just want to ask you one question? Have you rooted your phone and flashed non official rims and kernels? Its a serious question. When you do flash aren't you taking an unnecessary risk of permenantly damaging your device? Isn't everything on this site basically do so with caution? The dev holds no responsibility? We can get into technical things all night but it still wont change the fact that people like this kernel and how it preforms and are willing to take a risk. The same exact risk we all take whenever we decide to flash anything. Overvolting can lead to serious internal damage as well as possibly causing screens to crack from extreme heat. Undervolting can make the software so unstable as to brick your phone. But still we all do it. Sure people say doing that can cause adverse side effects but we do it anyways. Hell, I hear people saying that jailbreaking iphones is dangerous and let's hackers steal your info because a so called "expert" said so on CNN. While somethings said may be true most of what is said is sensationalized. If you take one part of an entire story and run with just that one part you forfeit the entire context of what's written. I read what the engineer had to say. To me it seemed more like he was saying it could be potentially dangerous. He wasn't comfortable with the idea but was willing to look at it differently if he could be shown the failsafes. Also it seems like he bit onto the "trickle charge" wording used to describe the effect. Its not true trickle charging. The battery stops charging at the preprogramed 100% value. I've wittnessed it myself. I guess what im getting at here with my semi rant is everyone needs too stop jumping on band wagons and really read and find out for yourselves. Don't just take one or two lines from a statement and make that the basis of an unnecessary argument. We aren't paying for any of this and we all know full well the risks we take are on our on. We can turn to each other for assistance and guidance but not to point fingers.
[EVO 4G Android Development] bwcorvus:
Keep up the good work, no other kernels provide the battery life you have created (hope you nJoyed the beer). I'm not running your kernel, but a kernel based on your work.

cm 6.1.2

SK 1.6 BFS SBC

all updates(prl/hboot...)

wifi/airplane all at all times (as this is a testing phone)

screen on about 20 minutes
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
Yes I am rooted and I do flash other roms.

But I have enough technical background to understand what I'm doing.

And I don't rush to insurance if I **** the phone up from no fault but my own stupidity.

The fact is kernel's are the issue when it comes to possibility of damage because they are actually what change the conditions of the CPU, not the ROMs.

Making claims of something being "completely safe" is what caused this issue to blow to the proportion that it has.

We have many different news places, battery technicians and engineers saying that this is potentially dangerous.

As a dev he cannot make a claim of something that he doesn't understand fully. He is not an engineer or battery technician, merely a coder.

He needs to remove the claim of completely being safe and put a warning.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
I'll get around to it once a phone blows up because of SBC. And I would also like all factors at play once that has happened, I'd like to talk to the user for more than 30 mins to make sure it was in fact the kernel and only the kernel as well. I see the data talking about it could happen yet I see no experiments showing that it has. If we look at these kernels as is, we can say this is a running experiment (that unfortunately has some confounding variables, but those variables havent seem to have played a huge role yet). Its only been about a month or so? Well thats clearly not long enough for an experiment. So the users already using the kernel will obviously continue using it while those we preach about battery explosion will keep on preaching. Months will go by and we'll see what happens. Now in order for this kernel to be as dangerous as everyone makes it seem, 50% of the phones running it right now will have to blow up or do something completely crazy. Do you think it'll happen? No need to answer that, this running experiment will get to the bottom of it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] elnene20:
I don't care of these kernels turn my phone into a flaming torch! I want them back and I want them now!....... BTW These kernels are effin awesome!!!!!!!!!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
And this is why people have responded to you the way they do, ms.

Instead of simply putting a warning you choose to reply with sarcasm and completely dismiss the issue.

The nature of your replies to engineers and others that have a less than positive review of your kernel mod also is the issue.

What is hard about telling people that there is potential?

There is potential.

You cannot prove there isn't.
[EVO 4G Android Development] EVO-lution of Man:
You are absolutely right. A disclaimer is all that's need. But have you read the op lately? I just did and I didn't see anything to point where it says its 100% safe. He does write that it doesn't harm batteries and then quickly states that it shouldn't. Partially right and wrong but I think this situation really got out of hand because a handful of fools.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
I think the situation got out of hand because of the claim of being safe, the attitude from people when someone brings up that it might not be safe, and ms's attitude towards the situation.

I don't, in any way, discount his efforts at developing.

That's not what this is about at all.

Hell, I used the SBC kernel until I read the intelligent comments about the problem with them.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ZoomZoomPSSH:
yet it is the end user that determines and makes the decision to whether run the kernel or not...

rooting your phone and anything related to being rooted in general; including but not limited to: roms, kernels, themes, etc...runs potential risk...

granted some people are ignorant, don't know what they're doing and are prone to mess stuff up, but don't see how that is ms fault, and also there are a few bad phones/batteries already out there or ones whose life was shortened due to flashing and other numerous factors in addition to ms kernels...

just like when motors on cars blow...

most of the time its due to someone not modding their car correctly, and sometimes you just happen to get a lemon...

not wanting to single you out, however i am yet to see ms do more harm than good for the evo community...but dont take my word for it...look at his thread...
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
I'm not completely dismissing the issue...I'd just like to see the experiment and data that show what will happen with this phone if people keep on using this kernel. I mean, there is potential but if you want to boil it down to that, there's potential for anything. Anything can happen, nothing is scripted...I mean yeah, the graphs and all this talk from engineers and bla bla are saying that this will rip the battery up or somethin but so far we've yet to see it and I've yet to see anyone of those people conduct an experiment with our phones and yield a certain result a certain amount of times. We can always assume but is assuming the same as knowing?
[EVO 4G Android Development] LuvThyMetal:
OMG what?????????? NOOOOOOOO!!! Why did you take down your kernels? :( The sky is falling. No seriously what happened?
[EVO 4G Android Development] murdoc420:
When it comes down to it, chances are your battery will not blow up, but you will without a doubt wear its life down, because batteries are not supposed to stay at 100% charge. If you are not worried about buying a new battery every few months, or if you use extended batteries, use SBC kernels. If you don't want to wear out your battery but are ok with having less of a charge for the day then don't use SBC kernels
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
I agree that it does need to be done.

But there is no harm in warning people about the fact that different engineers and battery technicians believe it is generally dangerous.

Doesn't mean you can't post the kernel.

Doesn't mean you're admitting it's going to happen.

Just means you're keeping people informed that there is a chance.

It also protects you and XDA from any lawsuit related to any possible issue. This is America, don't tell me that couldn't happen.
[EVO 4G Android Development] blackte4:
No...... I love this kernel...... the first time I could watch 2 movies on a single charge. d@*&.... I was waiting for the next version.... I guess I have to buy 2 more batteries again...
[EVO 4G Android Development] thedemonic:
wel....

i have left my phone plugged in for more then 4 days now i guess i am old school so one tells me then it will burn i want to see it. so i ran the charger that came in my box with the phone took the cover off to have the battery set strait on a rag to hold in the heat and put a towel over the phone and well hell after 4 day it was not all that WARM let alone hot. i have a hopped li ion flashlight that gets hotter. well i am glad i have the kernels that where posted and thank you for all the hard work and time you put in. i have how my phone works just the way it is.
[EVO 4G Android Development] LuvThyMetal:
So I guess MS doesn't suggest his own SBC kernel anymore? What Am I suppose to use now geez
[EVO 4G Android Development] newbapotamous:
TL; DR

Don't know what happened, but I'm glad I kept some of my copies. MS, I say keep your **** up and just put a warning that says, "Caution: some douches who weren't as smart as me say this will **** up your battery and potentially make your **** explode. Mine and hundreds of other's haven't - but hey, you should know that it COULD. Remember, you COULD also get hit by a car when you go check the mail. Live and do this at your own will."
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
Coupled with this a warning:

Some "douches", who aren't as smart as they think they are, clearly don't read or else they would know "what happened"
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
+100000000000000

I thank him for his efforts as well, however HTC are not idiots and they developed the original charging method because it is safe and actually maximizes the lifespan of the battery. And yes, I do get annoyed by those who keep swearing it is safe just because they've been using it without problems. There's no need to call us all wussies, douches and assholes (actual quotes) just because we're cautious. We have reason to believe these batteries have been blowing up or not holding a charge because they've been overloaded and used against the way they were designed to be used. Just because your battery hasn't blown up or given up on you yet doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. There's no reason to assume everyone's an idiot who uses a cheap knockoff battery and charger.
[EVO 4G Android Development] LuvThyMetal:
Yup i agree, wouldn't hurt to put the kernels back up with warnings I guess. How many ppl phones or batteries have F'd up? I bet NONE!
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
Does any one read anything, ever, anywhere, at all?

I mean..christ..this is a FORUM.

Reading is REQUIRED.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=890448

http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc...sa-warning-notice-do-not-use-sbc-kernels.html

many more links and reviews of the issue
[EVO 4G Android Development] LuvThyMetal:
Man I got the best battery life with his kernels. Now WTF am i suppose to use!!!! Took me for ever to finally find a kernel that worked beast with my phone and now everyone is saying these kernels are dangerous or w.e.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
I never asked for them to be taken down. I just told people to use caution, that's all. No doubt they give better battery life. I even used them for a while. It was a coincidence that I stopped using them when this whole "THEY BLOW UP YOUR BATTERY" discussion came up. But when a bunch of battery technicians and engineers start explaining to you why trickle charging is not a good idea, it makes sense. They are professionals.
[EVO 4G Android Development] LuvThyMetal:
Yeah I understand im just saying it sucks cuz i had very good battery life. Any other kernels you would recommend? Stock kernels never work good for me idk why.
[EVO 4G Android Development] roscoenr:
But I just want pretty pitchers
[EVO 4G Android Development] LuvThyMetal:
Never seen this before. But then again i don't have the time to be reading everything on the forums, you're crazy!! Thanks anyways
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
Let's keep in mind that the kernels are still effective, even though they don't have the SBC. It's just you may not get use from 100% to 0%...just 90% to 0% [or possibly more than 90].

Therefore, below 90% there is NOT any "battery gain" with SBC over whatever kernel it was.

It is quite literally referenced a whole page back.

If you don't pay attention to the conversation then I don't know how appropriate it is to comment on it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
HTC #17 gave me the best battery life, even compared to custom kernels and many people will agree. You can use it on the latest 3.70-based ROMs if you flash the 09.01 radio and 1.77 PRI. The latest HTC kernel is #15, but it's garbage compared to #17. I was able to get 15 1/2 hours on a stock battery with it with medium usage. More on that here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=9556189#post9556189