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[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
Yes, but you see the two things go hand in hand. They are lying about what the fee is for to try and get people to pay it without noticing their being shafted, also what you intended to be discussed and what is being discussed just may not be the same thing.

Finally, as a note to the people who are still saying "but its cheaper on sprint anyways so why complain about the charge" and the like, how many of you have 4g coverage? Frankly, it sickens me that anyone would support the universality charge.

Yes, I pay it, but when I bought my phone I told them I would not agree to it, they said I had to. I said "No" and they told me that we should look at other phones. I told them I wanted a good phone and when I could access 4g I would pay for it, but until that point I refuse to pay for service which I will not be using. Even though I spend 95% of my time on wifi when using my phone, if I could spend that other 5% of my time on I'd pay the fee and be happy about it.

But I can't. And now, because Sprint knows how full of **** they are, they're changing their corporate line. They know that we pay for, get this, UNLIMITED DATA. Not unlimited 3g data. Not unlimited 2g data. Not unlimited wifi data. No, UNLIMITED DATA. So I pay my 69.99 a month for my unlimited data and its all good, but wait now I also have to pay for 4g data? Are those bytes soaked in champagne? Are they laid on goose down? Are they delivered on a silver platter? **** no they aren't. Its bull****. Sprint bought something they couldn't afford so that people would want to use their services and so now they have to find a way to get the people that are already paying for their services to foot that bill too.

That is akin to going to a prostitute and finding out her rate is $XXX.XX an hour. So she pulls down your pants to start the act and then says "Oh by the way, there is also a 'My Diamond Earrings' charge of $XX.XX." You're already mostly committed to the act, and your excited about it. You really think you're going to turn down that little fee?

How is that even slightly different than: Getting you into the store with huge beautiful screens, promises of very fast internet browsing, and then a tiny mention of a small fee. Its a used-car sales technique a la 1970s.
[Epic 4G General] Khemul:
I was more referencing all the people who, rather then read anything, immediately hit reply and said "if you don't want to pay it, go somewhere else". Simply read the OP, the thread wasn't started to complain about the fee, but to complain about Sprint's claim that the fee is for stuff you already payed for (screen, camera, etc.). We all know it is basically to pay for the 4g network. We know it is not negotiable. The complaint is that Sprint's official reasons make no sense at all.

The best explanation I've heard from Sprint on the fee, and one that actually made sense, is that you get truly unlimited data on the $10 premium plan. There is supposed to be a cap of around 5gb per month of usage on 3g plans (although many have claimed this is not really enforced by Sprint).
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
And they raised the price of unlimited data for the evo and epic. Also it doesn't matter who you told that you didn't agree to the charge once you entered into the new contract you agreed.
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
you should offer her a pearl necklace...

also, i didnt mean to hit thanks. i completly disagree. hte thanks button is in the way of the old quote button. damn me.
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
I have a reliable source at Sprint and about 40% of your $10 a month is paid to Clearwire.

Sent from hell...
[Epic 4G General] abrcrmdl23:
There was an article I recently read but I dont have a link to it and it said that the $10 monthly charg $5 is going straight to clearwire for the use of their wimax network the other $5 is a fee sprint charges on top of that for what ever or getting the 4g service on the phones.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
They are offering a service and charging for it. If you want an Epic or an Evo, they both come with 4g and you have to pay extra. You don't get to go to Mercedes and be like "Well I don't want leather seats, so you can't charge me for them." They will tell you to go buy the Toyota you can afford.
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
Actually you can get them without leather seats.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Not the point. Change Mercedes to Ferrari or whatever car company you have to that only offers leather seats on their cars.
[Epic 4G General] dantichrist:
The point is that you don't sell someone leather seats and turn around and tell them after the fact that you actually paid for an OEM steering wheel. When the invoice says "premium leather seats" in black and white! lol

Again, my point is that these ppl are saying "it has nothing to do with network" and the damn bill says "premium data".
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
Or better yet that they paid for leather seats but can't actually have them yet as there are no leather seats available in their area.
[Epic 4G General] lazyart:
Take it here

explainthefee.com
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
Wonderful website. I like that guy.
[Epic 4G General] dantichrist:
Nice find Art!

The estimate is a lot higher than I would have thought for devices outside of clearwire's coverage areas. I would have thought I was in a really small minority that didn't.

And still, I don't care about paying the fee while I don't have the coverage because I can anticipate having it in the future.

It's a trip that it's "hundreds of thousands" of devices not in coverage...
[Epic 4G General] cbpagent72:
Great post!
[Epic 4G General] Bigjim1488:
Lol people are already going crazy in here. Stop the flaming there is really no need for it.

The root issus is that sprint sold this to us as a 4g expense. I think people are just upset that sprint has to jerk us around. If its not for 4g just say it. I am sure that if sprint told us originally that these phones would be an extra 10 a month because they completely rock, most would pay it.

Be honest sprint, that is the message of this thread.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
There is no way I would pay 240 dollars extra just because of the devices capabilities. I would pay 240 extra for a service provided over 24 months however.
[Epic 4G General] flyers2114:
Class Action

Or jump in on this....they are saying that now cause they are getting sued....

http://forum.smartphonejunkie.com/f572/class-action-lawsuit-against-sprint-10-fee-211026/
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
Sprint never said it was for 4g. They always said it was for premium data.
[Epic 4G General] jordan2333:
When i got my phone they said it was for 4G which i get cause i live in a 4G area.Also sprint owns 51 percent of clearwire which is called clear now,
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
A salesperson told you it was for 4g. Sprint has said from the beginning it is not for 4g.
[Epic 4G General] RushAOZ:
Yea I love it. After being with tmo using iPhones for the last 3 years. Now I've had my epic for about a month. I've downloaded over 20gb since then over 4g at 9mbit speeds. Ill pay the 80 happily. My only gripe is I can't figure out how to tether my consoles with open Nat. I can only get moderate. Anyone know anything?
[Epic 4G General] haas599:
Who really cares what the charge is for????

At the end of the month, all that matters is the amount due on the bill.

Sprint is the cheapest for me. The bill could say unlimited everything for free followed by Bull$h!t charge of $100 for all I care.

As long as I agree with the final amount, I'm fine with whatever charges add up to that.
[Epic 4G General] Migital Warfare:
If you go to the sprint website, and start the sign up process for new service, add the epic or the evo, you see a mandatory $10 fee for 4G connectivity. It's also listed this way on your bill. The website even explains in further detail what the fee is for.

The fact that this sprint employee doesn't know what they're talking about shouldn't sway you to believing you're paying the $10 fee for anything other than 4G connectivity. There is no sense in getting all pissed off about it, the person just doesn't know what they're talking about.

There's nothing new about an employee not understanding their company's policies on every little thing.
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
For me its an issue of not seeing enough progress in the rollouts. Where I live currently is a small town about 30 miles from a big one. Sure its a state capitol but those are never big. However, I am moving to phoenix in a few months and there is no coverage there let alone any other part of arizona. How many markets has it been rolled out in?

The fact is that until the majority of 4g phone owners (even if its just 51%) it'll be wrong to charge for a service most of your customer base can't use.

As for the argument about it being to build their existing network, that's an even more unfair burden as it means we are saddled with what should be covered in everyone's plan. If you meant clearwire's network, sprint has no effect on that. The extra money goes right into their pocket as profit and its not fair for them to profit from customers paying for a service they do not provide to even half thosepaying customers.

Finally, for those who say "you bought a 4g phone" do you really think everyone, or hell even the majority of people bought the phone for the 4g? 'Cause in all the "what do you love about the epic" 99% of the responses are things not 4g and don't even mention it.

The epic is a powerful phone and I honestly did not think they would charge me the $10 since I don't get coverage. Which also was called a 4g fee by the salesman. Not premium data. 4g fee. And I couldn't care less. 3g is more than enough when I'm on the go and if I'm not in the car I'm on wifi so I could care less. If I wanted a 1ghz processor, to be able to call my wife (who is on sprint because of her work) for free, and a screen I can actually see things on, and a keyboard, what other option did I have?
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
Here you go making stuff up again. Previously you said you told the salesman that you didn't agree with the fee but the salesman said it was required. Now you are saying you honestly didn't think they would charge you. Why would you think that when the salesman said the fee was required? As usual your posts don't add up.
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
Or that you are making wild assumptions. I meant going into the store I didn't expect to be charged a fee for a service I had no access to hence the reason I argued with the salesman. Gosh, you really lack any basic reasoning skills, huh? Guess that's why you ignored all of the important facts that I spelled out and went instead for the portion not worth explaining since a child could put two and two together and get four but guess you got five. Don't worry, I hear you'll be learning addition next week in kindergarten!

Maybe I, like you, am speaking out of turn though. Tell me how many lawyers sspecializing in corporate law did you consult? How man people did you ask about data usages and what coverage were they in?

I'm sure I made a grammatical error in this post somewhere that proves everything I've said so far is falso though but I'm waiting with baited breath to hear (for once) you use actual evidence instead of mere base personal attacks. But really, go ahead, me ajd my wife's family could use a few more laughs over your cacophony of ignorance.
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
I

Just quit making stuff up. I read what you posted. Not my fault you don't write clearly.

You haven't done the surveys you claimed to have done because if you had you would have said so before you were challenged on your statements. If someone had done the surveys of data usage you said you did, human nature says they would have been proud of the work they did and posted it up front.

The more you cry and make claims about all the corporate lawyers that you know and have consulted and the more false claims you make about the surveys you say you have done, the worse you look.

Ah the poor guy wants a 1ghz processor and wants to talk to his wife but wants to cry about the agreements he had voluntary made. Well I haven't done any surveys but I have seen several people post about their data user prior to the new phones and after the new phones and except for you and one other person they have seen dramatic increases in data use. And two of those that posted aren't in 4g. You are right about one thing and I can't say with absolute certainty that on average data use has went up but my opinion is that it likely has.

You see I don't make wild claims like you do about the multiple corporate lawyers I consulted or the data surveys I have done. I just state what I have observed and express my opinion.

Your other posts about how the etf suits provide support for a lawsuit about the fee are so off base you can't even make a good comparison between the two. The only thing the etf lawsuits required the carriers to do was pro rate the etfs. The carriers were allowed to keep the etfs at very high initial costs. In my opinion the fee will be allowed because sprint has a right to raise the price of their plans even when they only do it on selected devices. Even the lawyer preparing the lawsuit says he is just investigating to see if any laws have been broken. Yet you and the multiple corporate lawyers you have consulted have determined that their has been laws broken by sprint over the fee. Since you are in consultation with those corporate lawyers it should be easy for you to cite which section of the codes of federal regulations has been violated by sprint. I have asked for this citation from others like you that are certain sprint is breaking a law and guess what no one has yet found a law or regulation they could cite. So go consult with those corporate attorneys and educate stupid me.
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
Yup you're right. I get my jollies making **** up to sound impressive to random people on forums.
[Epic 4G General] haas599:
Sprint has a right to do whatever they want with their money. Is anyone here a shareholder? Simply being a costumer does not entitle you to an explanation of what funds get spent where.
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
I see you didn't consult those multiple corporate lawyers and cite the law or regulation that sprint is violating. You know the one you claim sprint must be violating since they are going to lose the lawsuit since it is just like the etf lawsuit. Come on you are so much smarter than the rest of us so give us a citation to the law or regulation that will cause sprint to lose the lawsuit so us poor ignorant people can educate our selves. We just don't have access to corporate lawyers like you do or I am sure we could figure this out too.
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
I agree. They have the right to raise their prices for their plans even if they just do it on select phones. I challenge any one that thinks they don't to give us a citation to the law or regulation that would prevent them from doing so.
[Epic 4G General] cnuckols1:
I view this as a pick your battle kind of thing. I see the lawsuits coming are going cause sprint to either go to a tiered data plan, which would aweful, or bump smartphones accross the board $10, which would suck equally. My same phones on verizon would coast me damn near $400 a month. I like paying just over $200 on sprint.

I'm all about making sprint accountable and acknowledge what the fee is for but it's not going away and the lawsuit only make the lawers rich and us poorer in the long run. So I guess I'm saying I understand the gripping but I hate how it turning into class action lawsuits.
[Epic 4G General] thetoady:
Sprint likes their price points. However they also want to raise rates, so they have 2 choices

1) leave their price points

2) find other ways to raise revenue without leaving those points.

it's like ice cream makers who no longer sell you half a gallon, but now make it 1.5 quarts.

Sprint has done similar things, requiring certain phones to pay $10 a month for a special "fee". Getting rid of corporate discounts on add a lines and removing first year warranty service from stores (unless you pay for TEP).

These are all ways to raise revenue without leaving the price points they like. It's simply the way business is done.
[Epic 4G General] crabjoe:
I'm not sure that it's being used to expand "their", as in Sprint's, network.

You have to remember, Sprint might own the majority of Clearwire, but they are buying and reselling Clearwire's WiMax (4g). And from what I read on it about a week or two ago, Sprint was paying Clearwire just under $5 per 4G capable phone but was trying to renegotiate their contract with Clearwire because Sprint did not think it was fair to pay them for devices that weren't even in a Clearwire WiMax area.

So let's just say Sprint pays $5 for 4G phones and we know that Sprint's 4G network belongs to Clearwire. We pay Sprint $10/mo, so where's the other $5 going? It sure isn't going to to expand their 4G network, since it's Clearwire that owns that network, not Sprint. So where is the money going??

Clearwire is in trouble ... Financial trouble ... and from the other articles I've read, it looks like Sprint is going to cut their ties to Clearwire and possible move to LTE using what spectrum they have, including what they will free up when the iDen network is killed. Who knows what Sprint will do since they don't even plan on turning off iDen until 2013.... Regardless, the $10 Premium data fee really isn't for Sprint's WiMax expansion since the WiMax network belongs to Clearwire and Sprint pays them $5 ... Leaving Sprint the other $5 in pure profit.
[Epic 4G General] scancel:
This is a terrible example of network neutrality by the way... Actually, it may very well be the solution. Charging everyone more for access is OK. Competition solves that problem - if sprint charges 200 bucks a month for unlimited internet then everyone would go to a cheaper provider. Also, our government makes sure that there is no price fixing. The major issue with network neutrality is networks not being treated equal... Networks charging for certain websites, providing faster speeds to certain websites... That is the major issue... It would harm innovation/small business/start ups chances to thrive as they have over and over again making the internet what it is today.
[Epic 4G General] scancel:
BTW... Everyone complaining about $10 extra a month. Just go to another carrier and pay 30 extra per month. If you understand how to read financial reports you can easily see Sprint has the lowest profit margins of any carrier.

They put this charge on their to subsidize the phones and pay for the network... You didn't HAVE to buy the phone, they didn't raise the price after you bought it.

Really, what kind of person goes and buys something they don't need then wastes their time whining about it.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Ok all this talk about premium data and all that mumble jumble is crap.. i mean why is the 10 dollar fee only on 4g phones, so clearly its for the 4g service, this point has been argued in the wrong direction and going by different things sprint says is crap cause they dont know wtf they are doing or talking about, obviously its for 4g cause you can get 3g phones without that fee, and in the long run still cheaper better service and only 4g service that will fill up faster then other companies 4g cause they started first and are actually covering places pretty quickly. :)
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
If it is for 4g as you say then why don't their 3g/4g air cards have the fee? The fact is that saying it is for 4g because only 4g phones have it is an invalid argument. Since the evo and epic are the only super phones on sprint, of course they are the only phones that have the fee.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Oh i didnt know that the air cards had 4g and didnt have the fee, sorry..
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
Hey you don't need to be sorry. Just a friendly debate.
[G Tablet Android Development] blacksea1:
Hi, i have TnT Lite 2.2, cant see the Micro SD Card, when i connect the USB i don't see it, but when i go to setting, storage i can see it, I'm trying to install Clockwork v08,
[G Tablet Android Development] roebeet:
This is, unfortunately, normal. None of the builds allow the micro SD to be mounted as a USB storage device on your PC. Stock is the same.
[G Tablet Android Development] blacksea1:
Thanks for the reply, Then how do i install Clockwork v08? it says it has to be installed on Micro SD, I'm trying to install VEGAn.
[G Tablet Android Development] ckelly33:
When u add it to the SD card (by removing it from the tablet and reading it directly for your PC)) then reinserting it to the tablet), and then power off and then back on with the volume+ held in, it will read the files on the SD card.
[G Tablet Android Development] roebeet:
And actually, if you use clockworkmod .08, it reads /sdcard by default (that's the internal memory) when you use it.

I have a ZIP of cwm .08 in my TnT Lite dev post, and that is setup to be used on /sdcard, not micro SD. you drop the update.zip and /recovery folder to the root of /sdcard (via the drive letter on your PC), reboot into recovery and it should find and install clockworkmod.
[G Tablet Android Development] blacksea1:
Thanks so much, I will try it.
[Samsung Mesmerize] cloudstrife7:
I was watching a video for the AT&T Captivate and saw that it had video out. I was wondering if the same was available on our Galaxy S variant through a new rom or rooting.

[YOUTUBE]epytWcOFpYo[/YOUTUBE]

AT&T Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S) TV out demonstration
[Samsung Mesmerize] crkone:
You've got to wait until Froyo is released in supposedly Q1 unfortunately.
[Samsung Mesmerize] cloudstrife7:
Did you read somewhere that froyo would enable video out? I haven't heard this before. Do you have a link?
[HTC Aria General] kevina90:
wondering if this will work if resized for aria

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-droid...-transparent-notificatoin-bar-lockscreen.html
[HTC Aria General] 911jason:
I'm not sure you even need to resize it. Do a nandroid backup and go for it. You can always return to your backup if it doesn't work.
[HTC Aria General] Thundervore:
Those look great too bad you have to sign up to get them.

wonder if they are posted else where like rapidshare or mega upload
[Galaxy Tab General] 3dadd:
Anyone have any idea why my Unlock code won't work when entered. It says unsuccessful when I enter it.

AT&T i987

running Russian to Euro firmware method & modem file

using T Mobile Sim to trigger the Unlock Field at boot.

Purchased from Cellunlocker.net - they insist the code is correct

Does it need a different modem file?

thanks
[Galaxy Tab General] Adapt0r:
Check that your IMEI was not changed after reflashing. If not then it is very likely that unlock would work only with your original firmware. If it has been changed then something important got corrupted causing unlock to fail.

I've received unlock code from US T-mobile and it dod not work also after reflashing.

However, changing one byte in the system file as it descibed multiple time worked without any issue on both tmobile and att tabs.
[Galaxy Tab General] Alcibiade:
Easy way to fix this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=843323
[Galaxy Tab General] AnaZ:
Cellunlocker are not able to get the code.

My samsung is not rooted and I think I can not unlock or root it by myself.

Any idea to help me????
[Galaxy Tab General] blade725:
Unlock code for tab

I got a code from cellunlocker.net too, and initially it came back incorrect, saying "sim net pin error" or something like that and they too insisted it was correct,

BUT what i realized is that the was the code was correct and I had to follow the instructions here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=843323

seems like alot of tabs the IMEI changes, or the software has to be adjusted