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[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Okay done. Disconnect/connect did the trick.

I will write later today/tomorrow.

But touching this make me think soon I will not want anything else....
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
You were always so cynical verging on negative about wp7 pre launch. I'm actually surprised you got one - a 1st gen device at that. I on the other have always liked it, but I haven't gotten one yet. Mainly due to it not being on any CDMA carriers in the states yet. But I wouldn't mind waiting to see what's at MWC, I'm still just a 1 year into my Omnia II on a 2 year contract, but I wouldn't mind buying a new phone.

After reading all the reviews and such, I'm basically in the market for super amoled + CDMA + Nand Memory (seems to be faster at least 16GB) pretty much a Samsung Focus on Verizon, I like the physical look of the Omnia though. If they put that combo together they'll have a +1. I'd love for more chipsets being supported to see hummingbird vs. tegra vs. snapdragon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well I was cynical with a reason! And I still keep my opinion.

Because my carrier gave me X10 for free, I could just sell it to get LG.

I was very close to actually jump to Android. But I can't stand it's UI.

Seriously, I prefer WindowsMobile any time.

I was tempted and I know why - it works in exhilarating way.

So now few remarks.

I like:

* IE

* Cursor in txt

* UI - the best

* Stability

* Homescreen

* Email, Office, cloud services

* Some apps I have

* Onscreen keyboard is amazing

* Smooth Hotmail sync, glad I have it

I hate or dislike

* Word - smooth and sweet, but I was SHOCKED it is so limited. It cannot do half of the things WM does, not to mention DocsToGo

BTW is there any way to select more than one word?!

* Lack of things we know... And it is serious. Copy & paste, file access, multitasking

* Lack of direct Pdf storing

* Email is never fully loaded for offline reading when having pictures

* Lack of full Marketplace in my country

I will continue.

So the question remains - when and what will be given by MS.

I say again - they have the best OS.

Just fill it up and it will be strong as hell. I will not ask for anything else.

In terms of UI the dream came true - modern but without any unnecessary graphics.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
1) I thought it was OK, I mean you can create documents and stuff, I don't see what else you'd want to do on a phone tbh.

2) I agree, although File Access I can personally live without and I'm not fussed about, Copy and Paste and Multitasking are confirmed to be coming soon

3) If you upload a PDF, or email yourself one, and open it (providing Adobe Reader is installed) it will save on your device and store it locally

4) The majority of E-mail clients are like this, it was like this on android too (Even Gmail in my browser does this tbf)

5) That does suck :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
1) It is not OK. You can't do almost anything.

Can't select more than one word. Can't change font, format the text, nothing.

You can basically write only. And save. This is quite pathetic.

I work with Word on mobile for years. This is the first time I will have to be constantly attached to the computer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
One more thing I don't like:

* Marketplace crashes!
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
You can select more than one word easily. Tap on a single word then drag your selection to expand. From there your text formatting options are bold, italic, strikethrough, font size, text color, and highlighting. There is no option to change the font.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
O thanks, that is good!
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
LG camera is nowhere near SonyEricsson cameras......
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
TnT direct Link (ripped from logcat): http://tapntap.http.internapcdn.net/tapntap/update-smb_a1002-3316-user.zip

Btw, I just figured out how to use the OTA updater in the Android emulator. I'll write up a procedure later today. First, I want to get this update and start testing it.

EDIT: AS of 3:30PM ET Thursday, there's now a 3389 -- looks like this might be the final version as it's showing up in the OTA updater:

http://tapntap.http.internapcdn.net/tapntap/viewsonic/update-smb_a1002-3389-user.zip
[G Tablet General] rayden25:
Ooooo.. What's in it?
[G Tablet General] rushless:
Is this a full package? If so, that should (at least for now) mean that Viewsonic is not dumping support for the G.

That said, if this not an update that adds Flash and fixes other key issues, the 26th and onward will be big return days and perhaps push the situation over the edge.
[G Tablet General] rushless:
Over 98mb, so at least not a patch ;)
[G Tablet General] butkol:
OTA updater still claims I am up to date with 3053. I am downloading from the above link manually. Is anyone getting this to auto-update with the update tool?
[G Tablet General] rayden25:
I agree.. better have flash or else VS is in deep poopoo! I am so tempted to go back to stock and do this just to see.
[G Tablet General] markgolly:
Oooo, new version of TnT Lite?
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
This looks like a big update. Bigger than last week's. New kernel, Angry Birds preinstalled, sdcard2 allegedly supported by the stock media apps.

This will definitely be the basis for a TnT Lite 3.0.0. Still need to check a lot of things.
[G Tablet General] rayden25:
Flash pre-installed?
[G Tablet General] GenBlood:
COOL ... :)

Looking forward to the next TnT lite update ...
[G Tablet General] rushless:
Flash in the update? Most people deciding on returning this for an iPad depends on this. Flash to consumers is the main differentiater'. The other stuff is superfluous to most folks.

Flash is the key to the Gtablet's life in consumerland.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
It's not in the release notes, so I'm thinking that it's not there. You'd think it would have been #1 on the list, if so.
[G Tablet General] rushless:
Unless consumers could install it from the market now (most devices do not have it preinstalled). Catch is, NO market :(

I mean this for Viewsonic after the 26th if no consumer easy way to get Flash on the Gtablet: :(

As a programming instructor in my undergrad would say to the class, all the effort and progress in the world is CWOT if key functions are not acheived. Complete Waste OF Time. He would write that on the chalkboard....

FLASH IS STILL PRINTED ON THE Gtablet BOX!

Something so "small" really is big in this case.
[G Tablet General] bijan588:
If its not there we can kiss this tablet's manufacturing chain goodbye.
[G Tablet General] rayden25:
I think Viewsonic just put the nail in the coffin of the G-tablet... Its a sad day, I so wanted this device to succeed for the masses. It works for us here because the development, but for the layman, its done with no flash.

Seriously... Viewsonic... What are you thinking?
[G Tablet General] bijan588:
Has anyone even loaded the rom yet :/
[G Tablet General] butkol:
installed.........no flash
[G Tablet General] bijan588:
Wow, well guys.

We now have an extinct species of tablet.
[G Tablet General] rushless:
For modders the upside potential still seems to be there, but the issue is general consumer acceptance of the product. Putting Flash on the box (that does not work) and that being a key differentiation from iPad does not help at all. Critical and high return worthy miss.

The best thing would be is if not in the update, the current Flash release works and consumers can easily get to it.

Thing is, Adobe already made Vega pull theirs........ Ouch.

If Flash were NOT on the box, this would not be as bad for perception by consumers and retailer partners. (which is critical).
[G Tablet General] rushless:
I wonder if the current release version or the one we now use on the G works?
[G Tablet General] wiredmonkey:
I agree. Viewsonic should be sending a free Gtab or something to all 4 of those guys. If it hadn't been for their work, I would have returned mine the day after I bought it.
[G Tablet General] Frozen001:
Wow a real person from Viewsonic...

Couple of things to Viewsonic... please get real sync for the calendar and contacts. This is a must for me and I am sure others.

Second, the build that floated out for a while was much better, but I had numerous FCs when using exchange accounts for email.

Third... use the xda roms and LEARN from what the guys busting their but getting the hardware doing what it should be. This is a great place with some smart people... don't fluff them or your users. That will be the best publicity you can ever have.

Thanks for a great low cost tablet... can't wait for the updates!
[G Tablet General] rushless:
Though standard warranty policy for most products, Viewsonic should be so bold! Were it not for the modders, hardly anyone would be using the device right now. Safe to say interest for the device would be as close to absolute zero as mathematically possible.

Once again, the Tap UI devs should be banished from Android dev land. No soup for them!
[G Tablet General] Sprdtyf350:
I would have never needed the warranty if alternate firmware was not available. My G tablet would have been returned.

I always find it humorous when someone says my warranty will be voided. Who sends anything back to the manufacturer anyway? Everything I own I probably in some way manage to void my warranty..
[G Tablet General] jturner49:
update still not on OTA update for stock roms

Got a sticky or faq for how to install the 3316 download on a stock gtab?http://media.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
[G Tablet General] jorges74:
Just want to say thanks...

to all the guys doing the hard work and getting us this far on our gTabs. Gotta say, I'm pretty impressed that an official Viewsonic rep has been on here and interacting as well. Let's hope it all leads to making our tabs and their product better and better.

Thanks guys!
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=842000. Even have the direct TnT links (the ones they don't advertise, for some bizarro reason. No special crystal ball on my part, just used logcat and it's clear as day where it's being pulled from).

1.0.0 homebrew has the recovery/command file that you'd need for the other ROM's listed.
[G Tablet General] Lnin0:
Why don't you wait and see. Customer service does not always have the most currently communications. Maybe Adam will know if Flash is included in the upcoming OTA release or the reasons (Adobe) that it isn't.

Rooting is just giving you admin access to you system. I don't even believe it effects you ability to get OTA updates. I would guess if it voids the warranty it would only do so if the root existed when/if you send the device in for warranty repair. So if it ever came to that just do a factory reset from the setting menu.

update: Just reading over at Engadget and they retracted their Staples "defect" story (while adding a bunch of new digs). Anyway, I won't get into my issues with the wannabe journalist posers at Engadget but it does sounds like they at least talked to Adam who gave out this info.

So there you go. Update + Flash by Christmas :-) and you wont have to do anything to void your warranty.
[G Tablet General] NMCBR600:
Viewsonic should realize that the 4 of you have done alot of work to take a poor user interface and make one that work. The lite version should be their next update. Hopefully Viewsonic will help you to keep making these tablets better. Thank for all the work.
[G Tablet General] rothnic:
Don't worry about rooting, if you need to take it back it easily can be restored back to stock. Rooting is all software related and there is nothing that you can do to harm your device. You would need much more advanced tools to do anything like that, and I don't know of any true bricks yet.
[G Tablet General] slow68:
Posted kinda quickly

Forgive as I'm kinda new here. Posted earlier without having all the facts in front of me there are 4 devs that are the reason I have this unit. I may not have realized their roles at the time. This can be considered a thank you to them: roebeet, bekit, rothnic & gojimi you have have done an outstanding job bringing this tablet into the light and showing the possibilities. There are quite a few others that deserve thanks for their work on this device as well. Yet it reading the forum I would say because of these 4 individuals are why I own a gtablet. When I read these forums I see how these individuals use their tablets for testing and while doing this sometimes take their own tablet out of use because of issues either introduced with a new build or found while troubleshooting an issue.

I came to this device as I was looking for an e-reader. My requirements were to be able to read native pdf's, maps, pictures and internet access. The stock gtablet was able to do this yet it was painful with a lot of FC's. I do not mind having to put a little work into building the tools that I need - yet with the help of this community I did not have to.

Thank you XDA devs and community memebers

I look forward to the direction we are going.

Stef
[G Tablet General] TeamSpeed:
So for those of you that have added the update.zip and recovery folder for this update manually to your tablet, are there any issues? I see most of the discussion here is around what is expected of Viewsonic at this point, but I just want to know if there seems to be any issues loading this latest vanilla update, especially since they pulled it, for whatever reason.

I have a folder all ready to go to my /sdcard with the zip and dir/file, I just want to double-check before updating the gtab.
[G Tablet General] cyberbillp:
Angry birds seasons edition stops. Other than that, it seemed to be all good.
[G Tablet General] stugots101:
how do you install this if you are running stock. For some reason my recovery doesnt work when i try it manually? Anyway to loadup clockwork recovery any other way?
[G Tablet General] rr5678:
Be warned - If you expect to use ClockworkMod to get out of using 3316, you'll find yourself stuck with the stock recovery.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9919187&postcount=1 is the link to follow to reinstall ClockworkMod.
[G Tablet General] jturner49:
Thanks, roebeet! Let me join in the long and distinguished line of folks that appreciate you!
[G Tablet General] brian_h_kim:
i was able to install CWM after installing 3316 via the internal SD card using the stock recovery procedure...can't seem to install anything off of the external card...do we need to use a new script in the recovery command line? (maybe SDCARD2 name has changed?)
[G Tablet General] stugots101:
i tried to do that but the screen just sits in entering recovery mode on the tablet
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
you have cwm .08 installed, correct? That uses internal storage, not sdcard2 (microSD).

The newer versions like .12/.13 actually use microSD, if it's there. But, the problem with them is that they don't like unpadded boot images - these images are what the mods use, as well as stock ROMs. So, you have to "pick your poison", as the saying goes. If you try and use it, you'll get a nasty "mismatch error" on boot and it's either back to cm .08 to fix, or nvflash.
[G Tablet General] brian_h_kim:
to clarify, i couldn't update anything using the stock recovery (3316) off of the external microsd card (only the internal)...
[G Tablet General] Sprdtyf350:
Did you by chance make the required edit to the command file located in the recovery folder? To make the tablet know you want to flash from the external SD you need to change sdcard, to sdcard2 in the command file.

Hope I didn't just miss a million posts where you said you already did that..
[G Tablet General] brian_h_kim:
yeah, the SDCARD2 edit doesn't seem to work with the stock 3316 recovery...makes things kinda scary now...
[G Tablet General] Sprdtyf350:
Hmmm... I have noticed that if I try to copy things from the internal SD to the external using ES File Explorer it says I cannot move them. Using Root Explorer if I change the permissions to read/write it will. Tells me the external is set to read only. Don't know why that would make any difference for loading a rom but I have a feeling it has something to do with permissions.

And then, I might just be full of it...
[G Tablet General] anlog:
LONG time member here. Just want to say that I own TWO GTabs specifically because of the work being done by the Fantastic Four. VEGAn is a sick ROM, and my wife and I use the hell out of our TABLETS every day.

That being said, XDA members are a (from an economic standpoint) small subset of the entire userbase of MOST devices listed on the forum. I say "most", because the GTab is definitely an exception to that rule. Imagine how many Galaxy S handsets are out there in the hands of "normal" users. Devices need to ship with an "average" user interface, but also need to be customizable for people like us. What's more important is that companies that release these devices acknowledge that XDA exists and that they do not stand in our way. This is why I will NEVER own an Apple product. I refuse to support a company that wants to LITERALLY imprison me for rooting their products. Unfortunately, the GTab never had an acceptable "average" user interface which caused all of the returns and made us the MAJORITY of the userbase.

Now that it sounds like the software is being fixed, I truly hope the device excels so that we can begin to see some actual cases and other accessories emerge. Even if the GTabs were recalled, I would never return mine because my VEGAn install is superior enough to last me till the next gen of tabs are released.
[G Tablet General] cutterjohn:
I hope that VS actually checks the theoretical kernel source archive BEFORE making it publicly available. After all, we don't want a repeat of the Augen fiasco where we got a 400M archive of random source, but nothing useful...

drivers: have to wait and see wrt drivers... nVidia doesn't do OSS, but they're pretty good about providing binaries for current (and past) kernels... no idea about whatever direct android support though... still haven't bothered to look closely yet as nothing I have or had ever got useful source yet...
[G Tablet General] Frozen001:
I Rolled back to the previous version... With the stock e-mail app, I kept getting FC when using an exchange server. But I seem to be the only one who had them.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
OTA update went from 3316 to 3053 yesterday, and hasn't changed back yet

AH - if you are reading this, an FYI.

I'm not sure what mechanism TnT Inc. is using for their notification and update process, but it seems to have some major flaws. I work in Operational support, and specifically I deal with externally facing clients so I understand the DNS obstacles when swinging over a new update. However, what I've seen over the last few days is just mind boggling -- update is there, then it's gone a day later, and only some users see it. It's frustrating, from a user standpoint.

At the very least, there should be an off-line updater that the user can download and then run on the device, similar to what the online updater is doing. This is a standard practice - MS had them for service packs, and even the walled-garden that is Apple has off-line downloads for their MacOS updates. I'm not sure why this cannot have the same kind of off-line tool.

Can you comment on when this software update is going to be available, and what the version number will be? Is it still 3316 or did they update it again?

Thanks.
[G Tablet General] OfficialViewSonic:
Looking into it for you... will let you know as SOON as I have an answer for you. We haven't officially pushed the upgrade yet, so you may be looking at a pre-release.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I appreciate the response. If you need more information from me, here are the metrics (yes, I'm all about metrics - I know a few Six Sigma Black belts):

- 3316 showed up around 1pm ET on Sunday. I am in the North Philly area, FIOS subscriber.

- I was using an OTA updater in a Android emulator, that was emulating a 2967 device via the build.prop. This is an important metric, since I wasn't really using the real hardware. However, if I was running the UAT over in TnT Inc., it's possible that I would do this same trick to cut costs ie. to be able to test a large number of devices without having the physical devices in house.

- I watched this pretty frequently and the update continued to be available for at least 24 hours. But now, it has disappeared and only 3053 shows up. My test emulator is unchanged so I know it's not a change that I've made.

If this was a pre-release or UAT version, then it's not the first time this has happened. I have heard reports back when 2967 first showed up -a few end users got it automatically, then it was gone for a few days and then it came back. If Tnt Inc. is using production as UAT, then they might want to reconsider that, imo. Hopefully they have the resources to have a real UAT environment that does not get to users like myself until it is finalized and signed off on.

Again, my 2 cents and feel free to PM me if you feel this is not the venue to discuss.
[G Tablet General] dan1431:
As an Engineer I have to agree with Roebeet, using production models for UAT is really not the best idea.

I have witnessed this myself and figured (like Roebeet) that TapNTap was cutting costs by releasing pre-production software to a limited number of devices as they did not have the requisite number of devices in house.

At my employer this type of testing is strictly forbidden but I work in a different industry that is far more regulated than the consumer electronics industry.

Dan
[G Tablet General] Frozen001:
http://tapntap.http.internapcdn.net/tapntap/update-smb_a1002-3338-user.zip

Looks like a newer rom...
[G Tablet General] cutterjohn:
It is at every place that I've worked as well, but all of our customers were always other corporations, but I get the feeling that consumers just get shorted by most companies that just do a bare minimum check that an update won't blow up a piece of equipment, but it's OK for it to cause it to fail, well as long as failure wouldn't involve injuries...

It always bothered me that the first two releases of the stock fw had so many force closing problems... it was like TnT just said, OK, it compiled... ship it! :eek: without even bothering to try it...
[G Tablet General] stanglx:
Have you tried it?
[G Tablet General] Sprdtyf350:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=882521
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Quandrant score are still ~1800.

Neocore doesn't even run (that's been typical with stock).
[G Tablet General] rothnic:
Adam, hopefully you see this.

With some help from the Advent Vega, and Zpad guys we have a package of Nvidia files that provide a significant increase in performance. These files are from the latest Nvidia released Tegra dev kit files that are freely available on their website.

If the update included these files, it would be a significant thing for the typical end consumer that is using this out of the box. I don't have them with me, but Roebeet might be able to provide them.

The specific set that we have does not cause any problems with the system, which took some work because the initial set messed up the camera functionality. However, we have worked through this and have a set that works perfectly.

Quadrant tests go from 1800 to 2400.
[G Tablet General] guitar geek:
Sorry to ask a useless question but how long should this update take? I have been waiting 10 minutes now. I got the little messages saying it detected a recovery key was pressed. The screen flashed several times then the gtablet screen appears. Nothing else has happened. I knew I should have waited until later tonight to do this.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
The actual recovery program? No more than a few minutes, going on my experience. It should auto-reboot when completed.
[G Tablet General] dan1431:
Deleted....redundant.

Dan
[G Tablet General] joejaru:
G Tablet Website

Viewsonic has added a a news section to the G Tablet website. It has a link to download updates and a link to download the kernel source. Both are marked "Coming Soon!"
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
AWESOME. That's a start! I guess they are finally going to add a download area. It's about time.