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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] huggs:
I think I see what the OP wants, and actually it kind of makes me think that there is a (slight/minor) need for something.

With EBL, you can set it to 3 sec. delay and after the 3 seconds, it will autoboot Android.

This IMO is the best autoboot option to date.

But there is a problem. It is easy to miss the timing for double-tapping the pretty small auto-boot button at the bottom within the 3 seconds, if you decide to boot into WinMo and auto-boot is selected. ( I often find myself popping the battery cover to access the SR button when I see the HaRet progress bar box appear, and getting frustrated after several failed attempts)

And if you are choosing auto-boot, you don't really want to have to see the EBL screen.

So here is my idea for a solution to both these very small problems:

A new version of EBL that when auto-boot is selected, no screen shows at all, just the HaRet box appears on its own, and if you want to stick in Windows when auto-boot is selected, instead of a small box to press in a short time period, just to have EBL written so if you are holding the 'Home' or 'Windows' hard key, then auto-boot is aborted.

Actually, it would be nice to have an options screen or menu in EBL where you could choose your own splash image from the sd card to be able to show it instead of the EBL screen, and use your selected image to cover/mask over WinMo while it's loading, choose in the settings if you want the EBL screen to show or not with auto-boot, for how long to show, and then when people auto-boot Android, it can look however they want it to look for 90% of the time that the phone is in WinMo before HaRet starts.

EBL is a great boot launch app, but even the greatest of things are revised and improved with time. I am in no way criticizing EBL as it is today, I would just like to see an awesome app get even awesomer :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gargon01:
Guys,

I'm not sure if I've completely got the wrong ideas about this thread but, as far as I know, Chuckys Droid Rom seems to tick all of the boxes you require. It's a completely stripped down version of Windows, no sense interface and very few windows apps included, has its own droid splashscreen and if used in conjunction with a boot loader like ebl or mskips loader set to fastboot, will load into android directly from bootup. I personally use a loader called gen.y loader which is a little older and needs a minor reg tweak to point it to the correct android folder but once you've done that it loads haret and clrcad automatically without you having to go into Windows but I guess most loaders do that now. I like the big interface though that allows you to toggle autoboot on and off alot easier. Isn't this what you guys are looking for? All of this has been around for ages......

*edit* haha snap huggs. You must have posted around the same time as me but you basically make the same point. All of this is already possible isn't it?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheATHEiST:
@ stoolzo

dude wtf is your problem?

What you just said is same as what I just said, I was letting the guy know that you WASNT just asking for a stripped down windows with a bootloader and that you ALSO wanted it with splash screen edits.

The part that told him to read first page was directed at HIM not YOU.

So before you go saying "jeez" and trying to "help me out" take a step back and think please.

PS. @ dharvey4651

No need to edit this dude im not having a go or trying to flame just trying to clarify to this user that he's barking up wrong tree and to stop now before it does start getting into poring of petrol and chucking of match territory.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] javolin13:
dude close this thread already....lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] norpan111:
Don't close it, some guys understood him and already working with his idea, stop arguing about arguing lol. Just leave the thread alone if your not into the idea
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
i'm still getting people telling me this already exists in some form or another, can someone post links to those ROMS discussed. (must boot straight into Android from power on)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] norpan111:
It doesn't, they just misunderstood your request
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
Cools, thanks.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gargon01:
But I posted the names of everything required in my post. Just type those names into the searchbar surely!? I'm on my phone so I can't link everything at the moment.The last version of Chuckys droid rom booted straight to android but I'm not sure if the newer builds do as some people still wanted the windows option when required. but as I mentioned before, a simple bootloader set to fastboot will do that for you anyway. Check my post on page 7 for stuff to search for.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gargon01:
I know I didn't misunderstand anything. Are you guys actually reading peoples responses? At least 2 of us have explained exactly how to do everything you've asked for.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
I have attempted to clarify this thread further by editing first post. Please could admins clear out all useless chelping (including mine) and leave all posts regarding the development. Alternatively I can start a new thread, please let me know.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] norpan111:
So there is a kind of winmo rom that is almost unusable because it doesn't even have to load up? It just loads the nessesary winmo DRIVERS in the boot sequence only to start haret etc? I thought there was only complete roms with built in android autobooter witch is a totally different thing here, cus that would require a full winmo to boot and then fire up a android bootloader. I don't think a rom that starts haret before it tries to start any winmo ui exists but please correct me, cus that would be awesome.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
i'm pretty sure there isnt anything like it but I am happy to be proven wrong, please feel free to post a link anyone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gargon01:
Still didn't manage to use the searchbar? Ok then:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=734238

As I said, earlier versions loaded straight into Android but I'm not sure about the newer builds. I believe a bootloader is included but feel free to ask birks (the chef)

any questions pertaining to that.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
i saw that when searching, it took me a while to find it however as there is nothing in the thread name or inital text which suggests any kind of auto boot. If you watch the video it showed android being booted by exploring to the SD card, it did mention an EBL boot loader in thread but mentioned nothing about auto booting to android, this is why I opened this thread. Not much about it winmo being heavily stripped down either. Granted it ticks some boxes but not all.

Still not sure why you and another people are wetting yourselves about people using the search facility, it inst that great, sometimes you just cannot find exactly what you need, its not like I am asking for help turning my phone on or how to start Android, I was asking for something very specific, something difficult to find even after a good time searching. To prove my point only one person has offered such a ROM and it doesn't fit my criteria exactly. I stand by my decision to create this thread.

I will however have a go at this ROM to see what its like.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] buzz killington:
I think there was a very good reason the direct boot roms didn't catch on. You gain very little for what you give up. The most you can get from a very stripped down rom is maybe 10-15 seconds of bootup time, 30s at the most.

In exchange for those few seconds you lose a perfectly functioning backup phone in case your android build gets corrupted.

You will not be able to change android builds on the fly since you can't rename your active android directory. Since you've lost your windows functionality, anytime you want to change a build you will have to take out the microsd card and rename the directories in another machine.

So the only way this time saving is worth it is if you're contantly rebooting your phone. If you constantly have to reboot your android build it's probably not the one you want on your phone anyway, I don't think I've *had* to reboot any android build more than 3 times in the last 3 months. The only reasons I reboot is to try out another build. In the process you proposed, that would actually take longer.

I'm not trying to crap on your thread, just pointing out the disadvantages of doing away with winmo functionality. In the end, it's better to have a working slim rom like chucky or the energy titanium rom I'm using, and use a bootloader like EBL.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
tried it, no autoboot, just EBL so no better than my current ROM, any others?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gargon01:
But doesn't ebl give you a fastboot option? As I mentioned in my original post, I use gen.y loader which definitely has fastboot/autoboot options. In terms of a stripped down, Android friendly rom I would have thought chuckys rom was the perfect start......maybe not. Things don't always work exactly as you want straight out of the box but I'm pretty sure, with a few adjustments, this combination is exactly what you're looking for. I might be wrong though. Good luck in your search anyhow
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
Some of this makes a lot of sense if I have to be honest, perhaps it would be best to have a winmo ROM that does offer some functionality in the event of an Android problem. Although your Android would have to be totally trashed for this problem to occur which I dont think happens very often, probably less so than winmo itself. I still think the benefits outway the potential problems in that as long as Android iworks well enough to run the file explorer the Android image can be repaired easily by deleting the data image and restoring from backup.

Taking your comments into consideration though it does however start to sound like swings and roundabouts and purely a preference issue.

Thanks for your helpful and insightful comments.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] norpan111:
You could also pop out SD, boot,pop in. Not loosing anything?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
The ROM we were discussing would be so stripped down there would be no access to winmo, it would boot straight through it. If you took the SD card out it probably wouldn't boot anything as it would just be loading the bare essentials to facilitate the loading of Haret. This is the problem he was highlighting. If we leave the ROM usable than it wouldn't be much different than the current lot of stripped down ROMS.

However I have tried a number of stripped down ROMS and I feel there is still some work to be done with them, I am sure we can get the boot times even smaller.

I have now been tempted away from the unusable stripped down ROM now as I am not convinced we are ever going to get the performance we desire using Haret, its very good and much faster than some of the first and second generations of genuine Android handsets. I have tried umpteen Android builds, even the RAM versions and none of them are close to the performance of a genuine Desire HD / Galaxy S handset. I will defo try the ROM if GHOSTX comes up with something but I will probably go NAND as soon as it is out and stable.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] huggs:
I agree with buzz, there's no great advantage to stripping WM down to the point of being useless. But what about the idea of a re-write of EBL like I had suggested in a previous post in this thread? It probably wouldn't be terribly difficult for exceller to implement some of the ideas that I mentioned, and while we wouldnt really be gaining any boot speed, at least theres an option to not have to see WM while we wait for Android to load. Really how fast do ya need Android to boot up? The RAM builds already boot crazy fast

Sent from my... whatever
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] francescozanghetta:
Faster way with ebl loader

HI guys,

I just want to suggest something. If you want a boot faster than 3 second with EBL, you have to follow these steps:

1 Create a quick shortcut link by tapping the button "Create Quicklaunch". That quicklaunch shortcut is located on \Windows\Start Menu\Program Files.

2 Copy that shortcut to \Windows\Startup\

3 Delete any other EBL shortcut in the \Windows\Startup\. Only 1 shortcut should be there.

In this way haret runs automaticly and you will not even see EBL screen.

But you will loose the opportunity to switch back to windows unless you don't take out the SD card.

Credit to exceller
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
i'm down for booting through winmo boot screens etc by stripping it down as long as you can pop the sd card and have winmo boot to a usable ROM. (Albeit stripped down to basic functionality to allow any repair of your android build)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
If you want to have it fully automated so all you have to do is turn on the phone and boot into android, all you have to do is put in the following registery keys into your rom

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\init]

"Launch2"="\storage card\Android\clrcad.exe"

"Launch3"="\storage card\Android\haret.exe"

Edit: Check your android folder on the storage card. It seems to be case sensitive, if you have default name of Android you will need to match this in the registery key :)

They have to be used with "Launch" as the name of the keys you can not add your own names here, but you can change the order of the boot by changing the order of the numbers!!

What this does is as soon as the kernel boots it will read the two registery keys and automaticly reboot into android. Best idea is to add these into a full sense build, then if you want to boot into WM all you have to do is remove the SD card and it will boot into windows normally.

This is a full autoboot procedure, no intervention required. Simply turn on the phone and if you use something like Darkstones build you can turn the phone on and with out pressing any buttons keys etc be booted into android in about 45 seconds!!!!

I think this is the best of both worlds solution. Fully automated boot, but if you then want to use WM you have a full sense build as a backup!!!!!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MacaronyMax:
Hey ;D

Just wondering would I get HSPA+ speeds with a Desire Z on Vodafone(UK)? :D

Thanks :p
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steviewevie:
I believe that the UK is badly behind in terms of HSPA+ rollout. So in the short term, no, I don't think you will.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MacaronyMax:
Okay ;D Thanks for the quick reply :D
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ibemad1:
I don't even think the desire z can receive HSPA+ signals.

Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steviewevie:
Different people have different ideas on what "HSPA+" really means, but the DZ has the same spec as the G2, and can download at up to 14.4 Mbit. Which is a higher speed than I think we have here in the UK at the moment.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MacaronyMax:
Vodafone have trialed 16 mbit sometime last year.. although I dont think they continued the idea... Eh.. that was only 2mb more :p
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] djaigs:
Today i played with my Vodafone 845 and tried to flash a new Custom Rom.

Somehow i pressed the wrong buttons(Power+VolumeUp+EndCall) for the Recovery and i got a new screen which i never saw before.

Does anybody know what this is, and if you can use it to flash the original firmware onto the device?

I added a photo of the Phone.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] salah_heart:
its normal dont worry

you pressed the keys for huawei update

when you have an update from huawei it self you must do this for flashing it

sorry for my english

thanks
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] djaigs:
thanks for the reply,

i have an update file from huaweidevice.com and i would like to restore the device to the original state, do you know how i can do it with this firmware screen, where do i have to put the file, sdcard, specific folder ?

thanks
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bigl.lv:
I have some error.

I have downloaded file from huaweidevice V845 V100R001NZLC02B233SP01 (New Zealand Vodafone)

And i have error after unpack
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] nobreak1970:
I have an IDEOS but it'll be the same procedure.

Put the dload folder from your update zip file on the root of your sdcard.

Do what you did to get to that screen and the flash will happen.

That's all there is to it.

:)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bigl.lv:
What was done:

1) format the memory card

2) reset all settings

3) Download (V845 V100R001NZLC02B233SP01 (New Zealand Vodafone) from huaweidevice

4) Copy dload \ UPDATA.APP

5) Volume Control Upper Key + End Key + Power Key

And at first wrote unpacing, and then update fail

and in is the file sd_update

**** SD download log
****
Failure: AMSS ° x ± ѕZhҐEdK § ° b.
Failure: operation did not succeed.
Failure: operation did not succeed.
Failure: operation did not succeed.
Failure: operation did not succeed.
Failure: operation did not succeed.
dload_sd_ram_data_proc-> (retry> = DLOAD_RETRY) failed!

I don `t know what to do.

At this moment the phone superboot + amonrarecovery

and V845 custom rom by Leito

Excuse me for my english.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Dimitrico:
New Zealand Vodafone 845

Hi.

I have installed the New Zealand rom, extracting the folder dload with the UPDATA.APP file inside. Then i copied to the root of the microSD card using a card reader.

Then on android, on Definitions->Storage...-> Update Software and confirmed. The phone went normal and everything was erased.

This version is quite stable but has too much icons of Vodafone, not to mention that is allways asking to register on Vodafone Website.
[Nexus One General] stefanopelloni:
Hi all, I'm quite new to this forum and I hope I dont break any netiquette with my question.

Now I have a N1 I bought on ebay, used, rooted and perfectly functioning.

I don't remember how, but I was able to update it to FRG83D downloading the rom, renaming it, copying on my sdcard etc ...

Now ...

I can't update to FRG83D.

I understood that having a rooted N1 NO OTA UPDATE shall ever work for me, not the manual update is available.

I was able to skip the "no signature verification" error suing clockwork mod, but i can't install the patch anyway, the system alway replies "assert failed: apply_patch_ckeck (" stystem app accountandsyncsetting . apk" ... then a serie of letters and number follows.

I know nothing about this, I must confess, but my suspect is that the update fails because something doesn't match between the update and the ROM which is working on my N1 (which is by the way the original one build frg83d

baseband version

32.36.00.28U_4.06.00.12_7

kernel

2.6.32.9-27240-gbca5320 android-build apa26 #1

Any sugestion ?

I mean and idea about where I can download a FRG83D version suitable for my phone ?
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
If you just want stock with very little tweaks, may i suggest Geo's Rom. It's basically the latest stock rom w/ superuser, busybox, trackball alert etc. Runs amazing too =)

As for breaking any netiquette, you're suppose to post this in the questions forum not the general. Have fun with your phone.
[Nexus One General] stefanopelloni:
worked!

Thanks Mokurex!

It worked.

It's unbelievable.

I spent three nights in search of an answer, and then you solved it in few seconds.

I'm new to Android, and I must confess that I'm quite disoriented.

There hare hundred of versions, produced by individuals, companies, etc ... The one I used, I mean the one you suggested me, seems to be the fruit of an individual's work in the US.

It's ok to me, sounds and works good.

But It's not the original one, I mean the one released by ... Google ? or ... what ?

It doesn't matter, but I just want to say that it would be easier for us all, newbies, to have some clear guidelines on this, an online guide for dummies, something or somebody who would explain us the difference between a odexed or deodexed versions, what are the pro and cons of rooting a N1, the fact that rooted phones loose the OTA update (which is very VERY painful for us newbies, etc ...).

I understand that we can rely of forums and on kind people like you, but having some clear cut guidelines would be very useful.

... and looking at the future ... I guess I'll have the same problems when I'll have to update to Gingerbread.

I's very frustrating to search the web for a suitable ROM for your phone ...
[Nexus One General] efrant:
No, it's not the original. That one is deodexed, so any future OTA updates will not work (as Google's stock ROMs and updates and not de-odexed). You will have to wait until someone repacks the update, then apply it.

Did you read the wiki? There are lots of posts/threads/guides available.

What are you trying to say? Phones running a rooted, but otherwise stock ROM will certainly received the OTA updates. Now if you use a non-stock ROM, you may or may not receive the OTA update. But whether you receive it or not, you will not be able to apply it as is, until someone repacks it (unless you are using the stock ROM, rooted or not).
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
I believe you have to use the stock recovery as well if you wanted to update via OTA.

If you want to get Gingerbread by way of OTA, then revert to stock rom and recovery. Everything you need is in the sticked thread in the development section.
[Nexus One General] efrant:
No, you do not. You just need a newer version of Amon_RA (1.9+) or CWM.
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
Thank you for the correction.
[Nexus One General] stefanopelloni:
Efrant, Mokurex,

perhaps it's my problem.

My original plan was to restore my phone is a status capable of receiving OTA updates. Considering that I'm not an IT expert it would be easier for me ho have such a phone.

Wandering on the web, I discovered that rooted phones are not eligible for OTA updates.

And most important of all, I'm not eligible to manually update is as well using the patches on the net (signature verification errors ... and many others seen above).

Mokurex helped me a lot (actually, solved my problem by now) suggesting that version of the ROM (I mean Geo's one) but it's the fruit of a work of an individual. I'm very grateful to him as well, but who knows about the future. Will Geo provide a similar version of Gingerbread as well ? Because without him I can't upgrade.

Efrant, got your remark.

I have CWM, latest version, I also bought the premium version (in oder to show to the programmer of it my appreciation) but in my case it just doesn't work.

With it, I can bypass the signature issue, but then I got stuck at assert failed: apply_patch_ckeck (" stystem app accountandsyncsetting . apk

Oh, by the way, I also tried to go back to ERE27 or something like that (unrooted version etc ...) but the mobile just doesn't work at all ...

I understood that the only way to unroot my phone (actually, any phone) and qualify for the OTA is via SDK.

... but I'm afraid it's just a bridge too far for my poor knowledge.
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
Geo has been quick to update his rom to the newest version. To upgrade to gingerbread, i'd assume that it would be like flashing any other custom rom, but there might be a bit more steps involved.

If you want completely stock, no root whatsoever, go here.