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[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhiral.v:
I think the screen is beautiful on the desire HD, all smartphones have bad battery life, if you want good battery life your better off getting a feature phone or a balckberry.

I'd rather have better hardware and design, rather than having the latest software updates from google, I can always root and install custom roms.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Superfrag:
It's beautiful, no doubt. But when you compare it to the Desire Z/SGS/iPhone 4, you'll realize how it is lacking in sharpness.

I beg to differ about the battery life, my G2 lasts for 24 hours, and according to reviews the Nexus S also has great battery life. The iPhone 4 has stellar battery life as well. Both the Vibrant and DHD have poor battery life in comparison.

In the end, it all depends on your personal preferences and choices.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NICEGYPT:
I think the phone is awesome also from Google, the consumer will never agree about the technology, always we will have something to complain about, just remember something the companies is big with teleology but they will never ever complete any device now or later, if they complete a device for you this mean u will never ever buy any new one will come in the future this is just how it is. how hard for Samsung to put sdcard in this phone? why they don't support 720p ? stuff ppl need. right ? u will see Galaxy s 2 will have it and don't have some stuff also ppl need, this is just small point of how the companies work
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhiral.v:
Well, I think all displays, at the moment, lose against the iphone4, because of it's high pixel density. I wouldn't say it's lacking sharpness, but I would say that it's lacking in contrast. Doesn't seem to be a big issue, at least the colours are not over saturated like the AMOLED. Also the AMOLED has a pentile matrix, which means it's not as sharp as the LCD displays, I have noticed this comparing my desire (AMOLED) with my friends desire (S-LCD) and the LCD does look noticeably sharper.

Regarding battery life, yes 24 hours isn't really a long time, blackberry's can last for 3+ days. However gingerbread is said to improve battery life massivley so we will have to see :).

Yes of course it depends on personal preference. It's good with android we have so many choices and things can only look better in 2011 :D.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ericc191:
I've said this before, but if Samsung were to use soft touch material coated to their plastic casing, much like the N1, people would be praising it for build quality.

I'll be getting this phone because I think it looks beautiful and will have Google's full support for the next 6 months at least.

I'm a bit irked about no 720p option, but something tells me that'll be one of the first things added thanks to all the great people here at XDA. 16 GB? I know a lot of people like to use their phones for music and movies, but to me, this is not an issue. I don't think I've ever used more than 8GB on any smart phone. I wish there was an EIP option for this phone through T-Mobile. I'll have to sell one of my gaming rigs lol.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Anderdroid:
Where are you getting your facts. My Vibrant averages 22-26 hours of battery life. My G2 only lasted 18, which is still plenty.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slowz3r:
If its anything like the N1 someone will hack it for 720
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dukemineralz:
There is no reason at all this nexus s cant compete with the very best out there atm. It is at least on par with everything else give or take user preference. The next big thing in phone tech isnt coming till at least q1 next year.

Duke
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Superfrag:
I have a Vibrant too! Originally it didn't last that long, but with tweaked Kernels, OC/UV and SetCPU profiles it lasted long enough. In my hands on experience, G2 stock battery life is much better than Vibrant stock battery life. For more substantial proof just look at the average reported battery life in respected sections.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ljwnow:
Samsung is a failure. See the crappy hardware.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slowz3r:
Lucky for you, that means your not getting it
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ljwnow:
I was thinking of getting the Nexus S before. But today I just compared the hardware between DHD and Nexus S. I decided not to get NS. I have the Samsung Captivate which is very light and it feels cheap with the plastic housing.

I hope you can enjoy the NS and share the experience with us. I would like to get a DHD first and then should it disappoint me, I would get the NS instead.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Anderdroid:
I've been running the leaked stock Froyo as opposed to the Eclair, which I admit wasn't the best battery but I don't remember it being worth complaining about.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krumb:
serving up hot opinions...
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ajayendra:
Good Point OP!

The fact that it doesn't have expandable storage may not kill the deal for a lot of people because they can't fill even half of it and use ipods as their main music device for example. Even I do that.

But again some are missing the point, lack of HSPA+ is okay as we know it will be integrated in future Nexus. 720p...hey thats what XDA is for but, no expandable memory, it goes to show how users may be restricted with options. This device is probably going to mark the future for a lot of next generation Android phones and I will not be surprised if we start to see more devices doing this. UNacceptable as Android users want to see more features added than subtracted.

Absence of HSPA+ stopped me from switching to TMo (I am on at&t and get very good speeds on my N1) and lack of memory helped. Before the launch I don't know how many people I stopped from getting and upgrade to the iPhone because the Nexus S is going to be this, going to be that ( have some fan following). As of now I think I will buy a cheap Captivate off Craigslist and hope that Devs do a good job of Porting Gingerbread. Captivate is a very beautiful phone as well except that all the 4 I have used lacked good GPS. Hard to dump the Nexus One but 4" SAmoled always attracts me.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhiral.v:
Yes, thank you for getting the point. If google does this with their device, who's to say other manufacturers won't do the same thing? The nexus S is supposed to push the smartphone market, and by leaving out features?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DKYang:
Who said the Nexus S is suppose to push the market? Because every single time I hear something about the Nexus phone is suppose to be "revolutionary," is from people's opinion, not Google themselves. When I hear Nexus phone, I think of a Google phone. That's all. Not a godly phone that will destroy other phones and set a standard.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emuneee:
qft :d:d:d:d:d:d
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhiral.v:
Well the aim of the nexus one was to push the smartphone market forward, which it succeeded. If you remember before the N1, there were hardly any good handsets around, it created the benchmark. Google stated it did it's job so well that they weren't going to release a nexus 2.

Here we are one year on, google is doing the exact same thing, trying to push the manufacturers forward.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Superfrag:
I don't think Google is trying to do that. I just think Google thought that Nexus One was not capable enough(GPU? Multitouch?) to showcase Gingerbread or develop with new 2.3 API's, hence they released Nexus S.

Why would they want to push the manufacturer's when no pushing is needed, look at how much marketshare Android has captured.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhiral.v:
Well, why else would they release the phone. Google aren't in the market to make smartphones.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ap3604:
They made the Nexus S to give the public, and developers, a very good option for pure android and push it in the direction they see fit.

Google isn't trying to dominate the hardware market ;)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcrosmar:
I think that the most important reason is "Games". Because the GPU of N1 if not as powerful as NS's, they want something to show the game capabilities of Android (+ NFC). In ever day use the gap between N1 and NS is very small.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ajayendra:
Before Nexus One we had phones like mytouch 3G or G1 (ugly looking) and none of them carried any specific standard. After the Nexus One was launched, we had Droid Incredible, EVO 4G, Droid original which were hardware wise very much based upon N1. And a lot of other micky mouse phones started with keeping the basic design of N1 with hardware changes. So I would say that even though N1 marketing was a failure, android phones followed it.

For example, lets talk 3 months ago from now and you started your own company or you were the incharge of production for a huge android phone company. Wht would you do?...you would take a look at the N1 and make the changes based on that. If 5 months from now a new phone company launches or if manufacturing gurus sit together for a new android device they would look at the NS first and they may consider that MicroSD expansion is not needed because if the "flagship" phone doesn't have it, and with a tough market they may save some $ by not doing the expandable memory. So yes, a "flagship" phone theoritically should carry the most features. Eric Schmidt said a few days ago that all the manufaturers should give user the option of installing the clean google version on their phone because that is the concept behind open-source, which means Google does want manufaturers to folllow "something", so lack of memory expansion may start to pop up more and more in future android devices...well unless manufaturer itself is bold enough, which other than Nokia I don't think anyone is.

BTW I am still getting the NS tomorrow (and I am switching from att) but with a gripe.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KeithRVA:
It's a tradeoff really. When the Nexus S gets all the updates first and its picture everywhere as the face of Android, my G2 will quietly blaze at hspa+ speeds and have a 32gb sd card to hold all my music and movies! Besides, I can always imagine that my G2 is actually a Nexus 2, it does look the part.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ap3604:
Don't forget:

- 4' Screen

- SuperAMOLED

- Ability to use t-zones

- Front facing camera

- NFC

- Thin design instead of bulky hinge

;)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bob.zxr:
+ the little thing VERY useful for games and everybody forgets it: gyroscope
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paparasee:
Has Google messed it up again?? This time with best buy???

The nuts at bestbuy can't seem to put things in order and don't seem to have a clue ... both outright purchase and online!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DKYang:
More like Best Buy's mess. IMO, Google made the right decision to go with a huge retailer to sell the phone. Much better than dealing online from what I've read last year.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paparasee:
True, the online thing was a mess the last time.

This time though since they had entrusted the whole thing to BestBuy, they should have got some kind of guarantee and made the folks at bestbuy do a lil better with their home work.

They must have asked BB to show them a demo of their sale site and ensured that it was as they wanted.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A_Flying_Fox:
Nexus 1.5

I think google messed up with the nexus S.

1) it was released less than a year after the nexus one...and it should've gotten gingerbread first, as google promised the n1 will get all future updates first straight from google. 2.3 isn't even a big jump from 2.2.1. The nexus s shoulda been revealed at CES and released soon after, like the n1.

2) its specs are BUTT. Well, its not butt, but they could've done better than a galaxy s update. It should've been dual core or AT LEAST a NEW hummigbird which is 1.2 ghz native.

It should've been 960x680 or whatever the retina resoultion ison the iphone and sharp phone. It shoulda had atleast a 1.3 mp FFC, hspa+, dual led flash, notification leds, SD SLOT!,

Google coulda done wayyyyy better. Hopefully they blow the mobile race out the water again with honeycomb and/or the N2 like they did with eclair and the N1
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alex530:
I second this..
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nohcho:
I'm sure Google has good reasons for releasing nexus s the way it is and not waiting for dual core processor. Althouth I agree with other points.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slowz3r:
Think realistically. ive said this many times before..phones do NOT need a dual core processor..hell most computers still run a single core.

and chances are the reason they didnt release a DC phone is because gingerbread prolly doesnt have the support for it. thats for honeycomb
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onthecouchagain:
Discuss here, if you'd like: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=863837. There's little mystery as to why the Nexus S has the specs it has.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jtroye32:
I think the only thing google was trying to make was the holiday season on this one. They should have waited for the galaxy s2 IMO.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slateac:
The hope for dual core phones is nothing but over expectation. Of course it has it's advantages but Android as a platform is still not optimised or cannot take advantage of dual core CPU's fully yet, most likely not until Honeycomb.

The Nexus S is fine as it is since it runs the most powerful hardware available "at the moment"

You are going to have to wait until next year for dual core Tegra devices plus, far beyond 2nd half of 2011 for DC Snapdragons and Orion.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unremarked:
Nexus S QQ thread #1843381493117.

Sweet! :p

On a serious note, there are a ton of threads that have already been made discussing this topic. Please use the search function next time before creating a thread. /endmodimpersonation
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Anderdroid:
The Nexus S is fine. The Hummingbird is fast.

Dual core is unnecessary. 1.2GHz is unnecessary.

The front facing camera is more than good enough for video chat.

And the iPhone is 960x640 not 680 lol. 800x480 is fine. You'll barely notice the difference.

HSPA+ isn't even real enough yet for that to matter. Dual LED flash is unnecessary.

Notification LED could have been useful but no biggie, don't miss it. External SD card is unnecessary unless you need more than 16gb which I don't. Plus I had a 16gb sd card fly out of my Vibrant with lots of my source code on it when I dropped it. Wouldn't have happened if it was internal ;).

There will be no Nexus Two. Just wait and buy a Tegra2 like the rest of the uneducated ;) and us with Hummingbirds and stock Google will run faster ;D.

Not to mention Honeycomb will be on Nexus S. 90 million triangle GPU + 1GHz processor = way fast.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rashad1:
ANOTHER thread about this?

No one is forcing you to buy the phone, go buy something at meets your standards.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doodads:
People have to constantly justify not having the phone.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RogerPodacter:
I agree with a lot of the disappointments with the nexus s. But the one thing I am So sick of hearing about is the missing dual core CPU. That's the dumbest thing to expect and be upset about. Not one other phone on the market has this, and we don't even know how finalized they are, what testing still needs to be done, what problems it might have, etc. The existing hummingbird and snapdragon CPU's are so much overkill as it is.

The only potential advantage could be better battery life. But I wouldn't wanna be the first beta tester for dual core on a flagship developer phone. And I'm sure Google didn't want to either.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arcadia310:
I honestly think the Nexus S is a test product. Google wanted to see if they could optimise other types of hardware in their platform. Since the beginning Google has used Qualcomm hardware. I'm guessing they want to make sure all different types of hardware can run efficiently on Android so developers feel fragmentation less. However, this phone has too many issues for a company like Google, who has tremendous power and money, to put out anything less than bar shattering. People have the phone randomly rebooting, ringtones changing, the launcher becomes highly unresponsive, some touch buttons are unresponsive or dimmer etc. They should have waited until next year to release this device.

For some reason I feel that Google will be releasing another device in the middle of 2011. The Nexus S sadly won't be relevant a year from now.

Also, this device isn't worth $580. It has too much stuff missing and NFC isn't even usable right now. You basically payed extra money to get a few small updates throughout the year. Big deal.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slowz3r:
We have a mod on this board, really he should be taking care of all these useless and unhelpful threads..

Enough is enough really. if you dont like the phone great, dont buy it no need for EVERYONE to say how much they dont like it. we all know what its "lacking" and thats all fine and dandy but really. get over it. your not buying it now are you?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shrivelfig:
Google know what they're doing. After all, they are a highly successful billion-dollar company. Can anybody else here say the same? Anybody? No? So why do you think that you can do so much better than Google, then?

Whatever plans Google have for this phone, it is obviously not to exceed everybody's (un)reasonable expectations. If you want a more powerful phone, then why don't you just stay away from the Nexus S? The purchase of this phone is completely voluntary, nobody's being forced to buy it or even like it.

Everybody's a critic.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unremarked:
Most bothersome about these threads/posts is most, but not all, are from people who haven't handled the Nexus S at all. No, touching the demo model at Best Buy for five minutes does not count.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheBiles:
Yes, yes. We've had a thousand of these topics already. If you don't like it, suck it up and get a different phone. Just stop making these damn topics.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slowz3r:
if it had a dual core processor people would still find something to complain about, its hopeless , lets just not feed the trolls guys
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tdoughone:
Agreed, we all know what its lacking. I want it to run on t mobiles new network only for the front facing camera other than that 3g is fine. We can use the cam in wifi to make it better and maybe miss led notifications. If you don't want it, get the My touch 4g. This is for people that want stock not skins. Besides, when Google releases their next phone, we will buy that to. For now, I love my NS, as I did my N1.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] grave101:
Stop blaming this phone on google. They didn't design it. Samsung did. Im tired of people saying "come on google, you should have done this and that for this phone".
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pigs3littleones:
Some of your points are valid. The two I left from the quote are complete rubbish. Not having HSPA+ is absurd as is not having an external SD card slot. Both decisions are sheer stupidity. One can only assume they had no choice if they wanted something available at Xmas. I'll manage without my additional storage as I listen to streams more often than not anyway but not having the ability add more music than 16GB is effin outrageous on an Android Phone. You sound like you may have an IPhone.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A_Flying_Fox:
And yet another person trying to justify an unsatisfactory purchase.

There's no need to be so defensive, although I expected this.

All I was stating was how google could've done way better.

Oh, and the only this the nexus s has on the epic 4g is more rom and gingerbread.

Epic 4g= 1ghz hummingbird

800x480 samoled

Vga ffc

5mp back cam/ led flash& 720p native video recording on 2.1

Wimax radio, which is faster than hspa, but has nothing on hspa+

5row keyboard (which is a niche thing I guess, oh and its relatively bulky compared to the ns, but its still .6 inches thick wit a full kb, which is the same size as a hero.)

Soooooooooooo what else am I missing, besides the nfc chip?

And to the people telling me to search, it doesn't work on xda app, sooo take that somewhere else, unless you're gonna put relevant input. Thanks :)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A_Flying_Fox:
This is the kind of responses I'm looking for. Not being defensive and understanding the point of this thread.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A_Flying_Fox:
Did I say I don't like it? All I said was they should've done better. The n1 was a huge leap forward, as the ns should've been.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A_Flying_Fox:
They should've had some type of input on the design of their new flagship. They messed up.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unremarked:
Its not a matter of being defensive or trying to justify an "unsatisfactory" purchase, its a matter of wading through all the threads posted by people who aren't Nexus S users/owners that are... what, trying to convince members of this community that they are incapable of choosing a device that works for their needs?

All your posts say to me is "hahaha my toys are better than your toys" and that kind of childish stuff has no place in this community, IMO.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A_Flying_Fox:
Oh and to clarify, I ever stated I'm getting the phone. I have an epic 4g and its not worth sidegrading to the nexus s. I'm only stating my disliks with the phone. Just because I'm not getting a phone, doesn't mean I'm not interested or don't like discussing it on a forum labeled "general".
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A_Flying_Fox:
When did I say anything about what I have until you got so defensive? All I said was google could've done better. Calm down boy. Itsnot that srs.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A_Flying_Fox:
I think google messed up with the nexus S.

1) it was released less than a year after the nexus one...and it should've gotten gingerbread first, as google promised the n1 will get all future updates first straight from google. 2.3 isn't even a big jump from 2.2.1. The nexus s shoulda been revealed at CES and released soon after, like the n1.

2) its specs are BUTT. Well, its not butt, but they could've done better than a galaxy s update. It should've been dual core or AT LEAST a NEW hummigbird which is 1.2 ghz native.

It should've been 960x680 or whatever the retina resoultion ison the iphone and sharp phone. It shoulda had atleast a 1.3 mp FFC, hspa+, dual led flash, notification leds, SD SLOT!,

Google coulda done wayyyyy better. Hopefully they blow the mobile race out the water again with honeycomb and/or the N2 like they did with eclair and the N1

Copy/pasta for people who skipped my first post and seem to think I'm comparing my phone to theirs.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onthecouchagain:
These conversations also detract from the real issues that the Nexus S has; in other words, there is nothing "wrong" with the Nexus S hardware wise (or very little, if some want to argue it). The real issues remain software-related. There are quite a few glitches and issues that are persistent and frustrating with Gingerbread. Peruse the other threads to check them out, but my main complaints are random ringtone changes, disappearing photos in gallery, some unresponsive icons (this could be related to hardware), and some unresponsiveness with the keyboard (namely the space bar not registering - so you get words likethis often.)

Hopefully, if enough people bring these issues (and others) to Google, they'll get fixed in future updates.