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[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
Not to be critical but you all need to educate yourselves. SBC is safe when used correctly. It's not for everyone. Specially if you use the crap out of your phone and have to charge multiple times a day. It is best for those who can go the whole day without a charge and only charge overnight. Use a non SBC kernel if you find yourself putting it on the charger more than once a day. That includes most of us.

From a Super Baked Evo #0002
[EVO 4G Android Development] jelive:
Sure appears to be alot of concern-opinions on this mod...agree with you use the alarm feature in Battery Monitor Widget and pull from charger when fully charged at 0ma. OR can even use alarm feature at 100% and pull at that point and only use full charge once in awhile.

Jim
[EVO 4G Android Development] djnarcotics:
been trying to find a working sbc kernel the past couple days and still no luck any one care to enlighten me thought this one was gonna work but just started draining battery
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
Looks fine to me. If your battery is sitting at 4200mv then it will show low negatives.

From a Super Baked Evo #0002
[EVO 4G Android Development] EndlessDissent:
This, but also, are you charging via AC or USB? I noticed that if I use AC, when my battery gets to max voltage, I get mostly 0 mA values with some -1 and the rare -2 mA values, but charging via USB, the negative values are more frequent and a little higher. This is because USB is speced for .5A while the AC charges at 1A. So, be sure to take that into consideration.
[EVO 4G Android Development] djnarcotics:
ok cause had read in OP that it shouldnt show negative ma's only positive if the phone isnt being used
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
Is it still battery gate up in here?
[EVO 4G Android Development] EndlessDissent:
It's Battery Gate in pretty much any thread about kernels right now.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
haha! i have run from 75/78/131 to v7 and no issues. Used stock and sedio batteries, no issues.
[EVO 4G Android Development] fixxxer2008:
right now im giving sbc a break until MS comes on here and tells us everything is ok or is looking into the accusations. im trying the # 17 kernel with the Calkulin battery saver script on myn's rls4 rom. will test through tonight.

honestly after a week with sbc i noticed the battery life actually got worse. the only time i noticed 36hrs before i needed a charge was the first few days i used it. could never recreate that event again. :(

i guess we all need to come to terms with the fact that the evo just has a ****ty battery.
[EVO 4G Android Development] fixxxer2008:
doesn't mean you will not get issues though.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
right and to be honest if i do, arbitrarily blaming the kernel won't be my first thought. seriously, we are all experts now, has anyone thought that maybe its a shoddy battery? GASP lets not check out any other variable and just blame the SBC, smells like witch hunt give me a break

i love all these comments now saying....you know what SBC really didn't do anything, now that i think about it was worse than any other kernel
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
i guess the OP post #1 doesn't mean anything. stop acting like sheep
[EVO 4G Android Development] fixxxer2008:
this means nothing now considering what has happened recently. it's not sheep, just because you phone right now isn't having issues doesn't mean a select few are. no one said it was MS fault in the first place, we "assume" it was from his mod.
[EVO 4G Android Development] CheesyNutz:
when people assume it makes them look like asses
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
It is very funny how people are quick to jump on the kernel when in fact most of us are using the hell out of our battery. I had no problems with SBC and I switch to a regular kernel on my days off because you don't want to put your charge on too many times. That alone will kill a battery. They are designed to run all the way down and then back up. Most probably hit 50-25% and hit up the charger. Like I said before, educate yourself and do lots of testing for yourself. Don't take the word of others.

From a Super Baked Evo #0002
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
Haha!! LMFAO!!!

From a Super Baked Evo #0002
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
what kills me is that folks are sharp enough to root their phones, install mods dabble here and there and then throw all that away on sensational threads.... my fault for even responding
[EVO 4G Android Development] fixxxer2008:
to each their own. im playing it safe for now.
[EVO 4G Android Development] CheesyNutz:
i have used this since day 1 NO troubles period ! i have help to root and load the SBC kernels on to countless ( not that many but you get the idea ) EVO's everyone has had NO troubles
[EVO 4G Android Development] HondaCop:
You playing it safe now? I guess that means you UNROOTED and went back to stock, correct?

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] rwcj63:
Children. If you can't play nice, there will be no dessert for you tonight. Then tomorrow, there will be dunce caps for all to wear.
[EVO 4G Android Development] 08tundra:
so the mod is working correctly but y wont it sleep? there are a few of us having this issue could it be the rom we are using?
[EVO 4G Android Development] apollooff320:
my phone doesn't sleep while charging. Is it suppose to do that? When I take it off the charger and turn it off it sleeps fine. Doesn't bother me as long as it sleeps while it's not charging.
[EVO 4G Android Development] minieod:
i havent read any posts since page 10 or so

but

any works on a no-undervolt kernel based on 4.2.1 or 4.2.2

i use the nonhavs because of collins_ph battery tweak - so if i could be using the tweak PLUS this charging tweak - it would awesome!
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
this has been addressed in these posts
[EVO 4G Android Development] tonwarr.the.incredible:
I've noticed my temp climbing even at idle to around 100°F.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
I'm not sure why its doing that, im gonna have to take a look at that later on tonight.

same here. But my phone doesnt sleep right off the bat while its on the charger. it usually takes it about an 1.5hours before it starts deciding to sleep. Idk why it does that though.

gimme 3 mins
[EVO 4G Android Development] Beejis:
Just so it's clear, I just flash any kernel then flash this or is this tweak included in netarchys 4.2.1 kernel?

Sent from my HTC EVO 4g
[EVO 4G Android Development] tonwarr.the.incredible:
Netarchy's 4.2.1 with tweak
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
hmm tell me if it keeps doing that while idle overnight or over a long ass period of time.

and updated the main post with this: non-havs kernel
[EVO 4G Android Development] flight01:
Sorry if this is a noob question but what is havs or non havs mean?
[EVO 4G Android Development] dfbonney:
Havs: Hybrid Adaptive Voltage Scaling, basically tries to undervolt as much as possible to conserve power, but adapts to things like cpu load and temperature.

No Havs: Static voltage scaling, every cpu speed pulls a specific amount of power from the battery, no variation

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=719763&highlight=stock+kernel
[EVO 4G Android Development] tonwarr.the.incredible:
I just jumped to #131 to see if that helps at all...
[EVO 4G Android Development] verse187:
What app are you using to monitor battery
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
battery monitor widget - search for that in the market
[EVO 4G Android Development] ceg1792:
Yeah, mine is still killing it in volts.. High negative 500 mostly.

Over clocking, and temperature stays around 90-96..

Sent from an unknown rom.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Ohhhh you're overclocking? That could be why, I'm at 998mhz and my highest is in the low 300's.
[EVO 4G Android Development] minieod:
REALLY??? ---- this is what you decided to post as an answer to my question

thanks!

moving on.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
yup, no problem - i didn't feel like going through the posts since page 10 to update you. seeing as you pretty much confirmed you put zero effort into it, why should you expect any effort in return?
[EVO 4G Android Development] ceg1792:
I think I'm over clocking, isn't that the only way you could explain this usage

?

Sent from an unknown rom.
[EVO 4G Android Development] NewZJ:
lets keep the troll remarks out of this thread please, bickering amongst yourselves solves nothing
[EVO 4G Android Development] fixxxer2008:
sbc is good if you do not use your phone alot. ive noticed higher than average drops in % when in use. other than that it was great. the bottom line is the evo's battery design was and is ****. ;)
[EVO 4G Android Development] CheesyNutz:
i use my phone all day for work email talk txt etc etc
[EVO 4G Android Development] gpz1100:
<soap box on>

Following a guide blindly is one thing, understanding what's going on each step of the way is something else.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do the first. But to really get a grip on what's actually happening requires research, understanding, and common sense.

<soap box off>
[EVO 4G Android Development] bb2ppc:
Thanks Product F(RED) after the downgrade and letting my EVO fully charge I am getting better results already. Still gonna watch it but its looking good right now.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
Two points, sbc is not a kernel =p and second, the evo battery design is in fact horrible
[EVO 4G Android Development] SouthernEvo:
I still say it isnt the kernels causing these issues . One there are to many variables to simply sit and point at the kernel as the fault of every failure . The biggest variable is the user and what they are doing to or using their phone for . Has it ever crossed anyones mind that possibly its HTC's battery thats failing not because of the kernel but mainly because it has a fault with it ? I only say this because my 3500 has jumped leaps and bounds over what it used to do on stock kernels or non SBC kernels . Further more to add to this if HTC designed the battery to charge to 100% then discharge to 90% then start charging again why wasnt their battery scale adjusted to show the 90% as the 100% in the first damn place . Even with my seidio I dont put it on the charger every night , I can go two or three days easily on it now . So technically Im only charging it every other day . Maybe thats why I dont have any issues but I guess the whole point of what im saying is . If HTC pulled their heads out of their collective @$$ and addressed the issue in the first damn place there wouldnt be people having issues . Also think about this , before the SBC kernel craze started what were people doing before ? They were charging and bump charging and keeping their phones plugged in constantly just so the damn thing would make it through the day . Had it ever dawned on anyone maybe that kind of usage prior might have had some effect on these failures that are supposedly popping up . In every complaint I read about "SBC COOKED MY BATTERY" you dont see any list of what other stuff they have on their phones or what was running or what they have flashed either . Just my two cents
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
A valuable two cents ;)

From a Super Baked Evo #0002
[EVO 4G Android Development] Adam1422:
Where do you get the net 4.3 cfs havs sbc kernel? Also very good two cents!
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
NETARCHY had them on his thread up until recently which he pulled, MS's thread didn't have the 4.3 kernels. i had it somewhere and i deleted it, as i usually download them into my archive
[EVO 4G Android Development] thenewguy821:
Netarchy's thread. He also just released 4.3.1 with and without SBC.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
none of them have SBC and have HAVS/NOHAVS versions
[EVO 4G Android Development] fr0st420:
http://www.qap.la/~netarchy/
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
thanks man!
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
+1 Thanks I have been looking for that for a long time.

From a Super Baked Evo #0002
[EVO 4G Android Development] gmarkiek:
I'M ON TRICKLE CHARGE KERNEL AND I USE BATTERY WIDGET MONITOR. I NEVER GET 0 MA WHEN CHARGING OVERNIGHT. I continue to see 2 ma, 4ma. Can someone tell what that means? I have an extended battery seido 3500.
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
Are you on a v7 version?

From a Super Baked Evo #0002
[EVO 4G Android Development] gmarkiek:
Yes I'm on v 7.
[EVO 4G Android Development] HondaCop:
Same here, I never get 0ma when charging. Lowest I've seen is 2ma. I'm on Zendroid 1.1.0 BFS AVS.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
Sorry it took long to get back, long drive. Anyway I asked about v7 because he was supposed to put the support for extended batteries into those. That is why he eventually made them all v7 for that support. I will need to look into it and see what it is. I have a feeling it has something to do with that. May also be that your battery is losing its ability to hold a charge at 4200mV, I think its the same not sure. If your battery can't hold a charge then it might keep the constant juice going trying to get it at its max mV. I use a stock battery and when it hits 100% it will still be charging as high as 300mA till it gets closer to 4200mV. These battery MODs are designed to safely keep the battery at its peak mV while it is on the charger. Keep an eye on Battery Monitor Widget and see where your mV are at compaired to what your battery is rated. I have a feeling that the "people" the had the problem may have been trying to charge bad batteries and caused it to overcharge because of the design of this MOD. I will look it up if you haven't already.
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
Also for anyone wanting to educate yourself on extended batteries here is a link for ya.

http://batteryboss.org/
[EVO 4G Android Development] pardonmyownage:
That is absolutely wrong for li-ion. Its designed to be charged when needed. Its in my post a few pages back that has a link that talks about it.

Edit: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10423074&postcount=3727

the rest of what you said i agree with. that post should clear up that this is actually FLOAT CHARGING and not trickle.
[EVO 4G Android Development] yesca213:
I am running sbc on sprint lovers latest, all sprint apps removed, and i am trying to figure out why my phone goes from 58ma draw to a 96ma draw and back down every three minutes while sleeping? ive closed most apps running, and have mail set to 4 hours as well as weather and any other settings ive come across so far.. im still only 2 weeks into this thing, and ive already rooted, did adb sdk and all this nice stuff ive learned from u all, so any feedback would be greatly appreciated. thanks

And 2.2

Base 11.19

Build 3.70

PRI 1.77_003 <I downgraded this cause i read

it may help battery issues i had 1.90

HDW 0004
[EVO 4G Android Development] catseyenu:
Does he ever say if it was plugged in at the time?
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
All makes sense. But my experience with other phones and their batteries was if I kept it charged to 100% without letting it discharge often the battery didn't last long at all. I guess its the difference of letting it take the 2 hours to charge instead of charging for 30minutes to an hour to get it back to 100%. I like the link you had and you should post it here as more people need to make themselves aware of these things. My link to batteryboss is to show that batteries are not always what they seem to be. Good call.
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
No he doesn't but the others do. I just finished reading that for the batteries to charge properly you should not use your phone while charging. This is good info and might be the cause of all these claims. I never use my phone while it is charging. I love my phone and use it A LOT, ask my pissed off pregnant wife;) but I just don't like that it gets hot charging as it is and it only gets hotter if using it when charging. Maybe the guy had Pandora playing (screen on) and didn't want to admit it. Who really knows, He has yet to show the pictures of the battery which would have swollen if it got hot enough to start smoking. The battery cover, please. Enough of this I will still be using it as I watch the widget constantly and check history frequently.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
What HTC did was not only for stability, but also so the batteries last longer. Most phone batteries go bad after a year. It wouldn't be as bad if they charged like HTC's phones did.
[EVO 4G Android Development] chogardjr:
From my testing they do charge like HTC's. But even HTC kernels continue to charge after 100% at higher mA for shorter time then it 0mA Then after a while 250-350mA again for a couple of minutes then back to 0mA. My wife has a #0004 with 3.70 and kernel#15 and use her phone as a reference to the differences. Most of the difference is after 100%.
[EVO 4G Android Development] BrianDigital:
Good why are u this still posting in thread
[EVO 4G Android Development] dkdude36:
hey ms. i love your kernels, and i personally will continue using them

BUT!!!

you clearly state there is no risk whatsoever, when there have been 6 reported dead batteries so far, one of which was smoking. you need to express the risk involved here so that some noob doesnt leave for china with his phone left on the charger (bye bye house). this is for the safety of yourself legally and the safety of others. please just put up a warning!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Chronzy:
I've been using the AOSP v7 kernel since it came out with CM6.1.2 and i've had no problems at all. So for everyone bashing the kernel, here's another satisfied customer for ya. I haven't been monitoring temps, but I've had great battery life and no smoke. Good enough for me. If the battery goes out in a couple months, I'll buy another. They're like $8.
[EVO 4G Android Development] dkdude36:
hah we havent seen an explosion yet but there may be one soon. i dont think your 'battery going out' is something you would want to have to expect.

i need the extra 10% however, and i might be getting a new evo soon (bad refurb. reason for my bad battery anyways) so i'll use sbc for now.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
No where has it been proven its the sbc mod, stop posting fud
[EVO 4G Android Development] dkdude36:
hah i just re-read my post. it is a bit much....

but still, there is definitely not 'no risk'. and so the op shouldnt say so.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
There is assumed risk the moment you root your phone and install anything aftermarket, comes with the territory
[EVO 4G Android Development] dkdude36:
fair enough. so does this mean the op shouldnt say 'this may possibly damage your battery over time, and should not be left on the charger over many days'? why not?
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
Did you read post 1?
[EVO 4G Android Development] dkdude36:
well, i guess it says something almost exactly the same as that....

touche
[EVO 4G Android Development] buck1623:
using net 4.3 sbc kernel... heres the battstats for the past couple hours, which would be like how its been for me on this kernel...

2011/01/08|21:08:37|68mA|99%|4196mV|30.4ÂºC

2011/01/08|21:13:37|54mA|100%|4195mV|30.7ÂºC

2011/01/08|21:18:37|44mA|100%|4196mV|30.9ÂºC

2011/01/08|21:23:37|35mA|100%|4196mV|30.7ÂºC

2011/01/08|21:28:37|28mA|100%|4197mV|30.7ÂºC

2011/01/08|21:33:37|23mA|100%|4196mV|30.7ÂºC

2011/01/08|21:38:37|18mA|100%|4196mV|30.7ÂºC

2011/01/08|21:43:37|14mA|100%|4196mV|30.7ÂºC

2011/01/08|21:48:37|12mA|100%|4195mV|30.7ÂºC

2011/01/08|21:53:37|10mA|100%|4195mV|30.7ÂºC

2011/01/08|21:58:37|8mA|100%|4199mV|30.7ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:03:37|6mA|100%|4195mV|30.9ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:08:37|3mA|100%|4196mV|30.9ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:13:37|-142mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:18:37|-197mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:23:37|-133mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:28:37|-107mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:33:37|-111mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:38:37|-127mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:43:37|-107mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:48:37|-98mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:53:37|-95mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|22:58:37|-100mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:03:37|-107mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:08:37|-107mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:13:39|-92mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:18:37|-101mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:23:37|-118mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:28:37|-108mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:33:37|-99mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:38:37|-198mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:43:37|-111mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:48:37|-142mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:53:37|-111mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/08|23:58:37|-100mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/09|00:03:37|-109mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/09|00:08:37|-106mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/09|00:13:37|-100mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/09|00:18:37|-138mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/09|00:23:37|-107mA|99%|4141mV|31.5ÂºC

2011/01/09|00:28:37|-102mA|98%|4120mV|27.6ÂºC
[EVO 4G Android Development] NiMiNuM:
I'm not getting 5 point multi touch anymore, using 4.1.9 v7. Anybody else? I'm on myn's new rom with everything updated.
[EVO 4G Android Development] BuddaBelly:
Some people have lost 5 point on Nets kernels. Has nothing to do with the battery mod. Post over on Nets kernel post. He has stated that he is looking into it. Said its on the Nova panels only. I myself am down to two point and had 5 before.
[EVO 4G Android Development] telwell:
not one issue with me... i have been using V7 bouncing from rom to rom over tha last week or so... i get up to 4.2 V and very low temp....

great job, love it!!

however a quick warning couldnt hurt... just to cover your a$$

thanke for the work,
[EVO 4G Android Development] dkdude36:
my point exactly
[EVO 4G Android Development] casper97ta:
Ive been using 131 since day one and still loving the hell out of it. I leave my phone on charge overnight, I get steady 0ma through the night with temps around 73 degrees and never goes over 4204mv.
[EVO 4G Android Development] fixxxer2008:
im back to using netachys sbc, no havs kernel. the stock kernels just do not cut it battery wise. ill keep an eye on my temps i guess.

my question is, is it safe to charge this overnight and leave it on the charger for lets say 8-9hrs? that's my only concern.
[EVO 4G Android Development] cheebahawk:
I just want to say to the OP, I hope you will continue to develop the SBC and put out newer versions based on Netarchy's kernels.

I think the SBC charging method is great, battery lasts a long time, and quite frankly have had no issues with it. Dont be discouraged/stressed about what douchebags are reporting. I read their posts, there is nothing in the thread/posts to show that SBC was the DIRECT CAUSE of whatever "problems" they are reporting.

All I see is mere speculation/correlation based on the fact that problem happened after installing SBC kernel. But there could be a whole host of issues why they are having problems in the first place, for example: 1) most evo's are already 6 months old, the batteries are already degraded to a certain point since Evo requires constant charging to stay alive; and 2) most idiots are using $5 knockoff batteries from China, that is likely not rated for the Evo from Ebay, which is sure to cause alot more problems than the SBC kernel.

Until we see a direct cause/effect and someone can show proof that SBC method was the sole cause of their Evo "smoking, dying, etc" keep plugging OP!

Also do a simple math, the "SBC problem" thread has 6 users "affected" by the kernel. That is 6 out of at least 300-500 people that are using the kernel at the moment, which is negligible (IMHO).

I am using the SBC kernel on two Evos and yet my house has not burnt down to the ground, nor are the Evos smoking!