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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
We don't know how the EVO will run Honeycomb, if at all. Honeycomb looks like it's the first Android version to have full hardware acceleration (2.3 doesn't yet). My one and only observation is that the EVO can chug on the 3D gallery which is HW accelerated and for simple things too - like opening the menu. will that also be the case with Honeycomb? I don't know but should any new customer take the risk?

I originally got the EVO for two reasons: CM declared support and since the EVO had the same internals as the Nexus One I knew that it would at least run most of the newer Android stuff through the year. While not the same, the CPUs in the Hummingbird and second gen Qualcomm CPUs are very similar and the GPUs are pretty much on par in terms of performance. So my rational is: anything the Nexus S will run, the Shift will probably be able to run too. The same can not be said of the EVO.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] swaze:
If you say so, running CM6 on mine and I have no chug while running the 3D gallery or any other app. So not sure what you mean.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
Of course you don't. The EVO is the most perfect phone ever made, there will never be a more advance phone. Ever. I must have been dreaming when I bought my parents the Optimus S (which has the same GPU but runs at a lower resolution), played around with the 3D gallery app and saw that it was 60 FPS smooth while my EVO was running at under 30 FPS for certain actions. Yeah, that must of been it.

Look, I'm giving my recommendation. Live with it. Make you own and let the OP decide.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AdamHart612:
I picked up the EVO for literally the exact same reasons. Everybody knew before the phone was released that it was running a QSD8650. Asus ran it in their EeePc middle of last year, and its been available to manufacturers since 2008...not exactly state of the art. Plus the adreno200 chip is terrible. I doubt anyone here bought the EVO thinking they were getting the top tier in cpu performance lol. Not trying to piss anyone off, but comeon the cpu in the EVO is halfassed compared to current OMAP, Hummingbird, or second gen snapdragons.

At this point honestly I would wait, not for dual core, but simply for Sprint to release something with a second gen processor. To my knowledge the LG Star is the only announced dual core phone at the moment. Its gonna be a bit before we see OEMs dropping dual core phones left and right.

How is the Shift gonna be outdated before its released? We dont even know whats in it...and by that logic, the EVO was outdated before it was released as well.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] swaze:
Actually we do know whats in it, its all over the web, and yes the EVO was outdated just as is every smartphone released at any point in time. Manufactures always have the next one lined up prior to releasing any phone.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chriswiegman:
I was in the same boat but upgraded to EVO almost 2 weeks ago. The way I look at it is, with annual upgrades, why not?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
The EVO is 6 months old and the Shift is set to be released in about 3 weeks, that's why. Just sayin'.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] huynhc:
I say if you can get the optimus S with your premier upgrade for free. get it.....and fleabay it. I did that and made a cool $245. Pocket the money and wait till CES and at least see whats coming out, if nothing peaks your interest then fork in an extra $100 or so and buy a brand new EVO outright on ebay (EVO maybe even cheaper at that point...)

Upgrades arent all about getting a new phone then and there, sometimes you gotta just buy something to "use" up your upgrade and sell the phone that will bring you back the best return. That way your upgrade renews itself quicker and you made some $$$ on the side... my 2 cents if you want to put in a little work.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xlGmanlx:
i think that fact is going to motivate both HTC, motorla and samsung not to be outdone by LG
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AdamHart612:
Ah good point, looks like its running the same processor as the G2. Which is awesome. The current 45nm chips are absolutely badass. My sisters rooted MyTouch4g runs circles around my CM6.1 EVO.

True there is always something better coming down the line. But if outdated before release is a reason to not pick up the Shift, then were all dumb as rocks for picking up the EVO.

And on that note, I cant wait for tomorrow when I can go spend hundreds of dollars on a horribly outdated NexusS.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AdamHart612:
Haha yeah, theres just something not right about LG being the forerunner of dual core.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] swaze:
I hear ya......in a few months ill be doing the same thing with that "well kept secret" HTC Scorpion....

You know that dual core, 1.5 gz Qualcomm processor, Beast that is taking over where the EVO left off? I guess ill be dropping lots of money on that outdated beast too. Such is life.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] misfit0313:
Thanks for the continuing input. Maybe if I share some thoughts the conversation can be further stimulated.

Pros for the current Evo: I can get it now. There are lots of dev's doing awesome things with this phone. No physical keyboard.

Cons for the current Evo: IF I READ THE THREADS CORRECTLY, some of the root methods aren't working well with new phones and recoveries that may or may not break 4g. Hardware revision problems where older roms not working with new cameras. The phone is just big.

Pros for the Shift: Smaller than the original. While specifications haven't been released, this is a newer phone, should have better hardware.

Cons for the Shift: Physical keyboard and moving parts. Are there going to be any Dev's working on this phone, any leaving the Evo?

Just a bit of my thought process... Thanks!

Sent from my HERO200 at 65 mph using the XDA App
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] misfit0313:
Again, thank you for your input. A decision was made for now. Radio Shack is running a special in store for the Evo for $100, with a working trade-in, and a free Plantronics 240 bluetooth.

The Evo Shift is alleged to launch Jan 9th, well within Sprint's 30 day exchange policy. So at launch, if the Shift is a much better device, the Evo can go back.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MadDogMaddux:
Here's the thing I'm not following, per engadget and goodandevo, the Shift has an 800mhz processor, and a notably smaller screen.

So that's on two counts, as I read it, that the Shift is a lower powered version of the Evo. Then add in the physical keyboard and to me it's a total wah-wah-wahhhhhhhh.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fchipm:
If in fact the Shift has the same processor as the G2 and Desire Z (which seems very very likely) - then it's actually going to have a better processor than the EVO. Clock speed means nothing, and people seriously need to get off of the "OMG only 800mhz" train.

It is quite ugly looking though. :(
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
As stated above the processor may be lower clocked and the screen is smaller but it is...

1. As powerful or more powerful than the older Snapdragon. Not to mention that the GPU completely blows away the EVO's.

2. The CPU is smaller and will probably conserve more battery

3. It probably uses a SLCD like the Desire Z so it LOOKS better than the EVO's display.

..so weaker? Nah.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] misfit0313:
No stats have officially been released. The deal on the Evo was too good to pass, and its a decision that can be reversed! For once a win/win situation.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mactagonist:
The HTC Incredible HD that is starting to leak for VZW looks gorgeous. Hopefully Sprint has an answer to it by the time it is released, Evo2 perhaps? :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xlGmanlx:
Either that or the evo hd
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
I hope that they get rid of the EVO look, the Shift looks hideous because of it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aph:
Leaked photos of Evo Shift released today:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/EXCLUSIVE-Real-photos-of-the-HTC-EVO-Shift-4G_id15502
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phobos512:
You do realize that CES is the 2nd week of January, and that's only 2 and a half weeks from now, right?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phobos512:
I think it should be clear to everyone at this point that the EVO Shift 4G is just a Sprintified version of the Desire Z. And yes, it is precedent that the form factor can change slightly (look at the Touch Pro which had multiple form factors on different providers but the same internals).
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fchipm:
Yeah I'm not sure why anyone at this point is expecting any more than that. It's pretty obvious this is Sprint's G2 - but God, I can't get over how completely ugly this is compared to the G2 :(:(:(
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mactagonist:
yup. I just dont understand it. Anyone who thinks the design of the Shift looks better then that of the G2 has no business doing design. It is hideous.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jkinnison90:
Has there even been any clear images of the shift? The blurry bad images of it doesn't look the greatest, but the render one didn't look to bad
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ruki_Uki:
I'm surprised with all the negativity towards the EVO :(

Sent from my EVO's 4G :) You?........I thought so
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 33colburn:
2x battery drain

I agree. We need new battery technology. What happens with dual cores? 2x battery drain.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
What SHOULD happen:

Put dual cores in tablets that can carry huge batteries. On phones you should just put a super small (40nm or smaller) single core 1 GHz Cortex A9 with a beastly GPU (PowerVR SGX 540 or better). It'd still be way more powerful and energy efficient than anything on the market. That'll be the trend anyway: smaller more efficient components; and with smaller components = more room for bigger batteries. A 4.3" phone in 2 years should have enough space for at least a 1800 mAH battery and still be super thin and inherently more energy efficient. If you can get 12-16 hours out of a well used EVO today, you could get 24+ with the same use case, same but slightly larger battery, and smaller more effecient and poweful CPU/GPU/radios.

Personally I don't see a legitimate use case for dual cores on phones anyway. 99% of apps would run fine on a single 400 MHz ARMv6 CPU and the 1% that don't would run waaayy more than fine on a single core 1 GHz Cortex A9 and would probably depend more on the GPU than the CPU (think Games, Google Earth, 3D Maps, etc.). You could probably run near PS3 quality like gaming on a phone resolution with those type of specs - not to mention that on a 4.3 or small display it'd look better.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IceCreaMan:
wa

Wait for ces dual core is already being released next month

http://www.bgr.com/2010/12/15/lg-optimus-2x-is-worlds-first-dual-core-smartphone/

What's the worst that can happen? They lower the price of the evo?.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] terryazthompson:
So after using evo for 3 months, the number one difference for me was screen size. I now watch movies, tv over evo more than on tv. Plus typing is easier. Processors and stats matter, but are incremental. Support by developers would be number 2 reason to switch. I dont see anything coming from sprint that compares on my big 2 advantages to evo.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
Especially in the mobile world with CES coming up in two weeks, I can't see the justification of buying a phone that is 6 months old. [ I also can't see why you would buy a phone right BEFORE CES, nor why a company would release a phone right before hand ]

Also, I don't see the attraction of the Evo Shift.

-No front facing cam

-Slower CPU

-Slide out keyboard is a half keyboard

If you're so interested in the screen with a good keyboard go with the Epic.

But I strongly recommend waiting.

I love, love, love the Evo.

But even I wouldn't buy it right now.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xlGmanlx:
just because its a CES doesn't mean success or anything really. The Evo won't let you down, but if they announce the Evo HD or the Evo 2, i would hold out for that in a heartbeat if i didn't already have one
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] swaze:
Because not everyone shopping for a cell phone is looking to replace their laptop. They could just want a phone that makes phone calls and has a keyboard for them to text and email.....Every cellphone user is not a fannatic like some of the people on xda. I know plenty of people who have lesser phones than the EVO and dont even know what the phone is capable of.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rem3Dy:
The processor in the shift is superior to the evo. The gpu in the shift blows the evo out of the water.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
But you don't know what will be announced til then and it's only two weeks away so that's why everyone says wait.

I assume that you a specifically defending the Evo Shift.

My comment to you is simply that, when buying a phone, even those beginners are going to look for the best value.

If the shift is going to be $150 + after two year agreement then it's just not worth it to consider it even over the Evo or Epic.

Also, I think it's obvious, from the fact that the OP is considering the Evo, that we don't have a situation like you're presenting.

Do you have any evidence to support what you're saying?

The shift's cpu is slower than the evo.

Moreover, I've seen nothing indicating the GPU in the shift being any better than the Evo.

Also, what use is GPU speed without 3d gaming anyway? [Besides pointless benchmark bragging rights]
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mactagonist:
mhz dont mean everything. The Shift is a CDMA version of the HTC Desire Z. The CPU and GPU of the Desire Z are top of the line. The CPU/GPU of the Evo are last generation parts. Go google up some benchmarks if you need to see the numbers for yourself.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
Benchmarks aren't really worth anything.

My friend's G2 out benchmarks my Evo by about 500 - 1000 points.

Use both phones.

Can't tell a difference.

My point is simply that the Evo Shift is old technology.

Being pushed out before the new tech comes out this upcoming quarter.

The choices are simple.

You can:

A) Buy the Evo for $150, a great phone that is getting older

B) Buy the Epic/Evo Shift for $200 ish [?] and get a great phone that is getting older

c) Wait a month or two and get an [insert name here] for $200 ish that is top of the line or...at worst.. wait..have nothing you like and get the Evo or Epic for $50 or more less.

Thinking purely based in logic and smart finances, choice C seems to heavily outweigh the others.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
You can pretend that the second gen Qualcomm A8's are not faster, the rest of us will live in the real world. BTW, I can tell the difference in speed. Just run the new microbes LW from 2.3 on both phones and keep pretending you see no difference.

The true choices are:

A) Buy a EVO with core tech that was released in 2009.

B) Buy a Shift that has core tech that was released in 2010.

C) Wait until about the summer for those dual core phones to hit the US.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
You just told me the only difference is how some live-wallpaper performs on an unreleased, for the Evo, version of Android.

I'm sorry but who honestly cares about that.

Moreover, people actually use live wallpapers? Enjoy that charger?

Choice A is $199 right now [on sprint.com]

Choice B is unknown but probably $199 +

Choice C is gonna be around the same price, dual core with likely better battery life and certainly much more of an actual increase in performance than Evo over Shift, better screen resolution and likely only a few months away, not half a year.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
The LW is just an obvious example and you can replace the new 2.3 LW with the old 2.1/2.2 Nexus Neural Network one and it'd still be the same. Oh and by the way, I don't use Live Wallpapers because 1) the EVO's GPU sucks so much that I can't even bother with them, and 2) the EVO's 65nm CPU is not the most energy efficient CPU out there; and guess what? The newer Qualcomm chips improves on both of those issues. But anyway, you can replace the LW with the performance of 3D apps (Google Earth, Google Maps) or games. Either way, the second gen A8 Qualcomm chips are better and have more upside.

Back to the choices, choice B is "unknown" but is so obviously just a remodeled Desire Z. Choice C is a complete unknown: Bigger resolution? Please point out the phone with the better resolution coming to Sprint (or the US for that matter) in the winter or early Spring? Oh right, there are none. Better battery life from the dual cores? Tell that to the my newer dual core Pinetrail Atom powered netbook that lasts half as long as my older single core Pinetrail netbook. But keep relying on the hopes and dreams of sensational Android blogs.

The bottom line is that chasing after the latest and greatest is a game that you'll ALWAYS lose. The Shift is probably gonna' drop in about two weeks and it's more powerful than the EVO. Is it a good phone? Who knows? But it's more powerful.

As for me, If I was out of contract and in the market for a new phone, I'd just get a Nexus S.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] notasimpleway:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Evo. In fact, I have my upgrade as a of last month and I don't see me using it for awhile. I love this phone. It does everything I want it to and then some. It looks absolutely awesome. I doubt any phone will be solid black again for a while on Sprint. Well, black featuring Android and actually being an upgrade anyways. I had the Hero. And my complaint was it was grey. And there were not color choices unless you dyed the phone. An XDAer did so with instructions, but that's a lot of work. I guess I'm stuck with the Evo till a 2xchip comes out or a sweet looking black and better than the Evo comes out. :D But it's gonna be hard to give up this phone. I'm so pleased with it. So I vote you get this phone. The Hero was great, but once you hold the Evo, you'll have to have it. Have you held one yet? Coming from the Hero this phone is massive. Reading and looking at pictures won't let you grasp how huge this screen is.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
With all due respect you just compared the dual cores that are going into phones with the cores in laptops.

While phone screens are getting bigger and so forth, not quite that big, and there are NUMEROUS other issues with that comparison.

Even if we want to use that, I'm using my mom's dual core laptop right now and it gets about the same battery life as her previous single core. In fact the single core used to die a little quicker.

2011 phones will have better resolution.

Just like 2010 had better than 2009 better than 2008...need I go on?

Just because it hasn't been announced doesn't mean a damned thing.

With that all being said, we've posted our opinions, per requested by the OP.

Going back and forth about this isn't helpful.

OP, you can either spend money right now, get something sweet but older, or spend the same money in a few months and potentially get something much improved, or something older and even cheaper.

That's what it comes down to.

My opinion is only based on the fact that CES is two weeks away.

I don't suggest sitting there waiting forever because you want the latest and greatest because that will never happen.

But CES is two weeks away.

That's all I'm saying.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
You see the difference is that both of my netbooks use almost exactly the same parts (they were released just a few, and I mean FEW, months apart) except for the CPU which STILL uses the same architecture (Pinetrail). All things being equal, the dual core uses (a lot) more power. I guarantee that the single vs dual core laptops your mom had were vastly different in terms of CPU size and type. So that was a much, much worse argument - matter of fact, it's completely invalid. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that a single core A9 will be equal or MAYBE A LITTLE more battery efficient but a dual core? Probably not.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
Interesting that you seem to think you know what laptops my mom owns/has owned.

However,

Didn't you just prove my point?

This dual core vastly outperforms her previous single core, the GPU is [no question] ridiculously better than the single core laptop she had, the HDD is significantly bigger and is faster, Screen is full HD LED as opposed to the crap she had before I think it was only 1152x768 and much lower quality. Wireless N as opposed to Wireless G. Better audio/speakers.

Oh, did I mention the screen is a full 3 inches bigger?

Same sized cell battery, also.

Point is, it's much improved hardware and yet it gets a little better [at worst equal] battery life as her old laptop.

So please, do not sit here and tell me that next years mobile CPU/GPU combos won't have improved battery life.

Because that's just silly.

Yes, maybe if EVERY COMPONENT was the exact same except the core, MAYBE THEN, POSSIBLY the single would be more efficient.

But is that reality when it comes to new phones? [or any technology]

No.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
How far apart were the two laptops made? Was it less than a year like the current mobile CPU's to next years dual cores? Probably not so vastly different tech, you can't compare your mom's laptops with the current and upcoming phones. I'm pretty certain that the dual cores will kill the battery; next year you'll either see single core A9's, underclocked dual cores, or poor batttery life.

As for the dual core's actual performance, here are some things I know:

1. Based off of the road maps that I've seen most of the dual cores coming out NEXT YEAR will be 40-45 nm, same size as this years single core 2nd gen A8's.

2. Most of the GPUs will not be significantly improved, if better at all. Tegra 2's GPU is spec'd lower than the Hummingbird's GPU - not surprising since it was available since early this year. The dual core OMAPs will use the SAME GPU as the Hummingbird (which BTW isn't much more powerful than the current 2nd gen Adreno GPU).

3. Amount of 2011 Android apps that will require a dual core on a phone: ? but I'm sure it'll be speedy at displaying your friend's facebook messages.

Bottom line is that if you own a dual core phone next year, you'll probably notice zero or very, very little visible improvements in performance but probably suffer from noticeable poor batterylife.

So this are my choices:

A) Get the Nexus S if possible. It will be the best phone to own in 2011 because it'll perform perfectly and more importantly because it's supported by Google.

B) Get the Shift, it looks ugly, doesn't seem to have a FFC but at least you'll avoid the EVO's gimped GPU.

C) Wait until the summer for a single core A9 with a big battery.

D) Wait until 2012 for the 28nm dual cores to come out.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
It is nothing but hilarious to me when people try to poo-poo new technology. :rolleyes:

I remember people making comments "Why would we need 4g? 3g is fast enough."

Same thing about multiple cores in computers.

Same thing with broadband internet.

blah blah blah

That being said I don't understand why ANYONE is waiting for CES 2011. Why don't the blogs and online news-forums just come to you?

You seem to know everything.

Fin.