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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
Just got an email from CoPilot that they have updated their maps as X-Mas gift. No idea how thoroughly they have been updated, but you might want to check it out. I have CoPilot installed as backup app for when abroad or without signal, and I like it.
[Nexus S General] Gigamaster89:
or is everyone conveniently in time for an upgrade?

Just curious because everytime a major phone comes out, people rush out to get it, but are they paying full price or what?

And if you got it, thoughts?
[Nexus S General] mmas0n:
I've been off contract for almost 5 years. Buy, Sell, Buy, Sell....
[Nexus S General] mingkee:
I paid in full because I have EM+ plan (unlocked phone plan).
[Nexus S General] provenflipper:
I'm in that same boat... Usually you can re-coup most of what you paid for the original unit and come out very little out of pocket to pick up a new handset.
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
I bought two at full price. I'm also on the best plan available to mankind, EM+ no contract.
[Nexus S General] leyvatron:
Full price and in my hands. Screen is nice.
[Nexus S General] Deleted member 2842059:
A couple other members are as well. Where do you get that plan, if I may ask very very nicely?
[Nexus S General] c_licious:
It's the even more plus plan. They stopped featuring it on the website but are (as of now) still selling it through t-mobile stores. It's not officially promoted anymore that's why you have to ask for it at your local t-mobile store.

With the EM+ plan I get 2 lines, 1500 minutes, unlimited text and web for $120. Saves me having to get a landline.
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
It is available at tmobile. EM+ is $59.99 for unlimited text, unlimited data and 500 minutes. If you buy this phone on contract, the exact same plan costs $79.99 and you tied to tmobile for 2 years. It is much cheaper buying the phone at full price and getting the cheaper plan on EM+.

Tmobile took the EM+ plan off their website, but you can still get it my calling tmobile or going to a store a requesting it.
[Nexus S General] ecapox:
I make over 80k a year and have a 700 credit score and they wouldn't give it to me for $199. I could only get $100 off with a 2 year service plan. Wtf?
[Nexus S General] Deleted member 2842059:
Very cool information. Many thanks to you both. My company offers a T-Mobile discount, got a guess if I could use it on these plans?
[Nexus S General] TheBiles:
I had to get mine for full price. Apparently I was only eligible for some thing where I pay the first month upfront and pay slightly more for the phone because my credit doesn't exist, and the Nexus couldn't be activated with that option. Instead, I got a "free" phone with contract, then I just got an unlocked Nexus to put on my account. Unfortunately, they'd only let me get a free Sony Ericsson instead of an LG Optimus since it was their idea in the first place. Best Buy did pay my first month's contract and all fees that go with the first activation, though. That made me very happy since it was about $190. :D
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
I'd call tmobile or go into a real tmobile store and see if they can do anything for you.
[Nexus S General] TheBiles:
Do what I did:

Get a 2-year contract with a free LG Optimus then get an unlocked Nexus. You can sell the Optimus for quite a bit (definitely more than $100).
[Nexus S General] mingkee:
Go to the nearest T-Mobile corp store and ask for Even More Plus (aka Unlocked Phone Plan).
[Nexus S General] ecapox:
yeah. My idea is to do what someone else suggested. Go get a free phone and then pay full price for the Nexus S. I can sell the free phone andmake soem $$ back. OR i could just get a contract free monthly plan and buy the Nexus S for full price. That way i wont be locked into a contract. Problem is, there is only 4 stores in my area that are the Best Buy Mobile stores where they have boxes and boxes of Nexus S phones.

To be honest, i dont know what the problem is with the Best Buy Mobile i went to. If i can qualify for a $250,000 house with no issues, i think i can buy a dam phone for the 2 year contract price. :rolleyes:

Lets see how much i can sell the Nexus One i have for on Craigslist. That may help me decide.
[Nexus S General] daragh:
better than EM+

...is EM+ FAMILY plan. Just got my wife and I on it. Only available by phone or in a T-Mobile store. Saves you > $1000 over normal contract, over 2 years. Hey, that's about the price of two phones!
[Nexus S General] debro012:
I bought two outright. I've been with t-mobile for 12 years. I get unlimited talk, text, and web for $93.87 a month.
[Nexus S General] sshtac:
Same exact thing happened to me! I was floored! wtf?

I was approved for a $400k mortgage, but not a $200 phone?! What?

So, I'm in the store, bewildered, and then asked them to put the plan in my wife's name (I was getting a family plan). So, we type in all her info, totally expecting everything to be ok, and her credit check comes back exactly the same as mine.

We have good credit, my wife and I make good money, and we pay our bills on time. I'm still in shock.

I've spent all day on the phone with Best Buy, T-Mobile, and Transunion to try and figure out what happened and I still don't know. :mad:

The only thing I can think of is we recently bought a new home and we've only been there for 1.5 years, but seriously. All this because of that?!

And the guy at Best Buy is telling me about this Flex Plan thing, and I'm just like, hold up -- just give me the two year contract. I totally didn't understand what he was saying. And he's telling me like he's doing me a favor -- pay $480 for the Nexus S and pay the same $140/mo contract deal -- what? Why would I want to do that?
[Nexus S General] ecapox:
The one thing we have in common is a recent house purchase. Mine is about 14 months. My credit is fine, not perfect, but still very good.

I felt the same exact way "just give me the 2 year contract price and stop trying to confuse the **** out of me with all this other crap."

Why the hell would I pay $490 for a phone AND a 2 year contract when I can just buy the stupid phone for $530? I think ill just wait for an att version or the PlayStation phone. Screw T-Mobile.
[Nexus S General] civicdrivr:
Paid in full, used Best Buy card with no interest for 18 months. So far I love the phone. Worst case scenario, within 30 days if I dont like Ill return it.
[Nexus S General] CraigP17:
Best Buy Mobile doesnt make the credit decisions....T-Mobile does...curious...what area of the country are you in?
[Nexus S General] sshtac:
^ I'm on the East Coast. And like ecapox, I have good credit, not perfect.
[Nexus S General] CraigP17:
a customer came to my store to port a number in from ATT to T-Mobile for the Nexus S. Claims of good credit and such, etc etc...T-Mobile also only approved for Flexpay 2yr contract (less of a discount on phone, pay first bill upfront(except at bby mobile its paid for you) yet still a 2 yr contract at same EM rate plans)

dunno what is up with T-Mobile credit today...
[Nexus S General] sshtac:
I spoke with TMo and they said there's nothing they can do.. this comes back from transunion, etc, etc. TMobile won't recheck my credit for another 60 days! :eek:

I called Transunion and they're going to send me my credit report --- so I just bit the bullet. About half hour ago I went to local BB and bought the thing off contract. Only problem is now I gotta buy another phone for my wife. MT4G costs $450 at tmobile store. Ouch man, I wasn't expecting to drop $1k on cell phones today.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:
[Nexus S General] ecapox:
I dont think this credit check is coming from TMobile. I think it is Best Buy. What we have in common is a new home purchase. I believe that Best Buy credit checks automatically throw up a red flag if you come looking for credit after a new home purchase because what people usually do is buy a house, and then immediately furnish the entire house using credit. This is a no-no.

I was looking at the screen and paperwork when the lady was doing my credit. This was a Best Buy screen and paperwork. Since Best Buy mobile sells numerous phones on different carriers, having Best Buy run the credit is easier than having 5 different systems to work off of.

Im 100% sure that if i go to a TMobile store and ask for a phone other than a Nexus S, i will get it for the 2 year contract price. Obviously i havent done this yet, nor do i really want to, but i may.

I live in Atlanta.
[Nexus S General] sshtac:
That sounds plausible and I would've believed you if I hadn't been on the phone with Best Buy, T-Mobile, and Transunion for a good portion of the day.

The Transunion agent I spoke to saw the T-Mobile credit check come thru on my credit report. I also spoke to T-Mobile directly (phone, not store) and they got the same result when I tried to purchase two phones (not NS) and a family plan on contract.

Btw, I found out the regular contract is called PostPay.

I'm going to have my credit report in week or so -- for some reason I was unable to pull it up online -- they are snail mailing it to me.

I'll try to report back if I find anything useful.
[Nexus S General] gvoima:
Why would anyone with a 400k mortage or an income of about 80k a year would need a contract? You can't afford to buy it without? ;) no offence ofcourse

But but, the funny thing is that you can buy it from best buy with about 400 euros or then pre-order it from a local web-store with about 699 euros, that's here in finland...the wat :confused:
[Nexus S General] sshtac:
Cheaper if I do no contract billing with TMO? Over the course of 2 years, yes, maybe... by about $70. I did the math. That's not even a full month's bill, so to hand so much money up front (to me) is foolish. Especially with inflation coming.

That being said, I bought the damn thing... and I'm headed out to TMO store to buy the MT4G for my wife off contract.
[Nexus S General] TheBiles:
I paid the full price + contract because I saved about $290. Best Buy paid my first bill and all associated costs with the FlexPay plan ($190) and I can sell the cheapo phone I got for about $100 (you could get more if you got the free Optimus). This way instead of paying for the full priced phone and a month-to-month contract I got the 2-year contract I was going to get anyways for about $340 (which is only $140 more than what I would have paid if I had perfect credit) so I'm satisfied with that.
[Nexus S General] chinstrap:
I’m off contract & paid full price but I think once I get my nexus one cleaned up and sold I will have made a bunch of it back. I’m only on about hour 12 of owning the phone, but so far I love it.

[rant]

The only thing that I’m pissed about is the Best Buy mobile I picked my phone up from is full of a bunch of idiots who don’t know how to use the cash register. There is no reason I need to stand there and wait over 30 mins while he rings the phone up 7(!) different times. On top of that, when I initially asked for the phone he looked at me like I was speaking a different language.

[/rant]
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] solplague:
Hello Everyone,

As my post count indicates I'm new to the forums, I've been a lurker here for a long time for various phones. I am a Android noob but I'm finding it fun to work with. I just got my Galaxy S two days ago, I'm on the Rogers network. I'm in the IT field so I am quite comfortable with this type of work yet I can't help but feel like I'm missing something really simple. The problem is I am unable to flash ClockworkMod Recovery from ROM Manager - I choose the option and I get the progress bar at the top of the app for a second then nothing happens. My phone is rooted via z4root. I've ran "Fix Permissions" from within ROM Manager then power cycled the phone. ROM Manager in the application list within SU. I've tried removing and reinstalling ROM Manager as well. I'm at a bit of a loss.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dungeon47:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9850347&postcount=1687

Go there, and copy that update.zip to your sdcard, then manually enter recovery and reinstall packages. It will load CWR from that update.zip.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] solplague:
Thanks for the quick response! I'll give it a try tonight :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Legion6789:
I have a Galaxy S from Bell. It was great for a while, but now its degraded into something barely above a brick. The lag is so bad that I can't answer phone calls sometimes because the screen is unresponsive.

I've had a few smart phones so far, original iPhone, iPhone 3G, Nexus One and now the Galaxy S. I really want to get away from the Galaxy S because of the combination of quality (ie. the complete lack of it) and the ridiculous timelines Samsung, and then carriers take to upgrade a handset to the latest version of android, if at all. But when I look at the options out there, they all suck.

The iPhone is decent, if you don't mind living in a walled garden. But I'd like a few more options than Apple is willing to provide such as removable battery, drag and drop files, something akin to native support of flac and divx/xvid. I really don't feel like playing my mp3s with one player and then flac with another. I also don't feel like converting movies to mp4, a standard which clearly sucks by virtue of the fact that no one would use it if apple didn't force them to.

With Android I have to deal with constantly waiting for the latest OS, usually 6 months or longer after Google has released it, and then it's been shat all over by the manufacturer and/or carrier. So that leaves pure Google phones, of which there's the Nexus One and the Nexus S.

I had the Nexus One, good phone, except for the screen. Constantly looking for shade so I can see the screen in the sun is a pain. The Nexus S fixes that, but no microSD slot? Are you f-ing kidding me? You couldn't put that in there? It's available on pretty much EVERY other smart phone that isn't the iPhone. And no 32GB option. Basically, it's a Nexus One with a curved screen (that may or may not introduce display issues according to Engadget). I mean, NFC? You give me NFC, but no microSD? I think running into a 16GB space barrier is going to happen way more often than me trying to share contact info with someone through NFC.

Can someone please make a phone that supports common media formats (mp3/flac/xvid/divx, etc), decent processor (dragons, birds, dogs, I don't care), a screen I can see in sunlight and either 32GB non expandable or better yet a microSD slot. Stick a camera on there if you feel like it. I don't even care if there's a front facing camera, because no one is walking around making video calls.

Smartphones suck.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dehem333:
What about installibg jpu?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Maddmatt:
The lag shouldn't be that bad, I used the phone for a while with no lagfix and it wasn't that bad.

Do a factory reset, and maybe even install the JPU firmware if you're willing. The lag is no longer a problem with JPU.

Maybe the upcoming LG Optimus 2X will finally give us a smartphone to beat all smartphones. Hard to imagine LG being much better than Samsung though.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BlackDino:
wipe phone,

install JK4,

flash hardcore k10,

Done.

Stop being such a *****
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nazrazr:
guys is it a lag when ever after i install app from market and back to my home screen all the apps n widgets on the homescreen lost for a while and i need to wait a minute before all the apps and widgets on my homescreen to appear and running smooth????
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BlackDino:
rough english, but I think I understand.

Are you running 2.2? And what build?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] robbiev80:
I agree with the Nexus S having no micro SD slot comment you made. wtf WERE they thinking?

Seriously???
[Galaxy S I9000 General] fulcrum1971:
Guess its time for you to change your phone and move on to a less smarter phone.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] fobas001:
Nice said, thants what i fought then I looked at this thread

+1

Sent from my bad-ass i9000
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nazrazr:
sory English is not my 1st language and rarely spoken...heeeee

I am running Froyo 2.2 JPO not lag fix....is it has something to do with it?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cHarOn99:
yes flash jpu and never look back, no lagfix needed.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bynar010:
Docs JPU Rom, voodoo lagfix. Nuff said.

If you are *****ing about it so much and can't sort the issues you should go back to an iphone so Steve can tell you how you should use your phone.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Legion6789:
It's not about my technical ability to apply a rom or a lagfix. It's a.) I shouldn't have to, I'm not trying to do something with the phone that the manufacturer didn't intend, and therefore I shouldn't have to apply these things; b.) The only reason I haven't done those things is because I've read on these forums that a lot of people have had the internal sd card fail after flashing, and don't feel like leaving my phone with Bell for 6 weeks for repair. Although at this point, the phone's performance is so abysmal the scale is tipping.

And Bynar, why the implication that I'm some apple fan boy, did I not say that I also didn't like the iPhone? I like how I'm somehow not worthy of a galaxy s if I don't relish the idea of flashing roms and lagfixes just to answer the phone when it rings.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ro4sho:
+1 for this smart phone rant. I loved to read it. Some valid points
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
Never had that kind of issue with my phone, im lucky to get a non laggy phone!

If you just use your phone for call why not just get a cheap throw around phone for that function?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
I've been using SGS from bell since october with original JH2, no lagfix and haven't got massive lag so many are talking about.

Using JK4 since 2 weeks and it's even more fluid. No lagfix what so ever...battery holds up couple of days, no FC, no lags (installing apps is realy fast compared to JH2), I reboot the thing now and then and that's it.

Only thing I did, when I got the device, I had to hard reset the thing then worked great. Same thing when I got JK4, Hard reset before and after.

On the other hand, I use the thing as it is: a pretty descent sum of many technologies. Great gaming, but not as a standalone gaming platform; great camera but not as a high end standalone camera; good GPS but not as good as hi end standalone GPS; it's pretty fast but not as much as a standalone computer; great browsing but not as much as on a computer...

Catch my drift? If you want something that can do everything and still hold on your hand, smartphone are great. But as a cost... If you want blasing fast like on a Core i7 laptop, get a core i7 laptop!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Legion6789:
I'm not looking for Core i7 in a smartphone, just enough performance listen to music and watch movies in formats like xvid and flac. The galaxy s can do this with the caveats that with my handset in particular it lags so badly that at times I can't answer the phone and it hiccups during flac playback. Both of these issues I believe are due to problems with the internal sd card.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
No it's not, I can do all those things easy with mine.

When I run with the device, I have Mp3 playing over bluetooth stereo player (controls works fine alors), sporty pal, Tracker booster and I can receive call (or make em' when I hit the right button on my earphones)

My advice: Hard reset+clear all thoses caches in recovery mode then reinstall everything one by one.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rcarlossgs:
Legion6789

Agree with most of your points, rather I believe these phones sound better if called 'Tech' phones.The major letdowns for me is the software within than the hardware.

How 'smart' are they when they don't do the basic intended function Out of the box reliably ...24X7X365....without rooting/lagfixing/modding..(wow lost track of these........ ).

Google may market android as 'Open, mk dir android;cd android....' and so on but how many consumers would want to do that and how many hardware OEM's would allow them to.

Android for me, is way below the hype and hoped and has to evolve beyond the 'Google' syndrome. Has a long way to go.

Having seen all the so called 'smart' OS out there, the iOS, RIM, Maemo 5, Android, Symbian .... I don't see much light in each of them.

The closest I could sense a potential was maemo 5, but the creator screwed it up with a ugly hardware and dropping it mid way for Meego...Would have to wait and see.

Now as a true 'consume'r...our choices have to be made on compromises that no perfect thing exists and chug along and play our major role in this so called 'Smart phone revolution' as chief financiers ever exploring for the near perfect one.

Apple to me, tried creating the near perfect one but as highlighted by you they only succeeded in locking down users within the walled garden. But to give them credit, the iphone(3gs/4) creates a consistent,reliable experience within the constraints it has. (Have never experienced a 'lag' 'force close' or equivalent in my experience of 1 year)...hmm hate being called a 'fan' boy

So to put it in simple words, did the 'smart' phone make my life simpler...Yes in some aspects but at a very important downside 'Time'(or money)...

- the time taken to root,

- time taken to lagfix,

- time taken to track all the JPO/JP6/JPU...and don't know how many more releases,

- time taken to flash,

- time taken to follow XDA....

Oh all these in already crowded day to day life to make my 'Smart' phone being 'smarter' !
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Auzy:
That's total exageration, and from my experience, far from fact.. I don't recall lag ever impacting my ability to make calls.

The iPhones also have numerous problems. And honestly, the lag isn't THAT bad in my opinion. It's possible to make any phone start swapping, and I can cause lag on my computer too. It would be nice if it was reduced though. It's still a very productive phone though.
[Wildfire Android Development] snaketk:
can someone post a working link with this aplication please ?
[Wildfire Android Development] bassmonkey:
Sorry, don't have the link but the app is called visionary and its on the modaco site. Happy hunting :)
[Wildfire Android Development] snaketk:
I got it from the website , thank you.
[Wildfire Android Development] bassmonkey:
Cool, no worries

even the most talented devs where noobs once.. so there's hope for the rest of us :)
[Wildfire Android Development] saltinbas:
http://www.all4phones.de/attachment...t-root-root-zugriff-htc-wildfire-softroot.apk
[Wildfire Android Development] snaketk:
cool i temprooted my wildfire and worked :D

anyone knows if permroot from visionary+ is ok ?:)
[Wildfire Android Development] kevin2516:
Why don't you just use unrevoked to perm root lol.
[G Tablet Android Development] tdegenaro:
Upon initial unboxing of my G-tablet I could not securely connect to my router, but could if I disabled WEP. The first update I recieved from Viewsonic patched this and all was fine until I installed the TnT lite 2.2 mod.

Last night I installed the 2.4 mod (which I assume includes this patch) and WEP once again worked. After modding I performed the recommended data wipe and WEP was once again dead. (It tries, but can't aquire a DHCP address.)

Hoping this would be solved in the Vegan mod I installed that only to find out it an issue here as well. No WEP here either.

Is this a known bug in the kernal, or a problem with my tablet? Any patches out there someone can point my to to fix. (also completely unrelated, but I'd love to get sound working for AVIs - my g-tab would be perfect with this and WEP.)

Thanks for any help.
[G Tablet Android Development] rickyt63:
Hmmm ... sound like the issue is at your wireless router.

My GTab with TnT-Lite V2.XX connect fine at 5 different routers (home, work, friends', in-laws).

What's your router brand and model?