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[EVO 4G Android Development] lowetax:
@ MS questions i forgot to ask you on the phone ... thinking outloud ...

so, if using an older version (without USB trickle charging), you USB plug into PC.

how different will the charge be to the battery, as compared to let's say v7 ?

also - before you came along, using Myn's RLS 4 we were all using/trying different kernels

just to try to make it thru the day, battery wise.

and everyone would say - give it a few days - to let it settle.

which i believe turned out to be true.

after a few days/cycles, people would see improvements.

question: with your tweaks, we don't need to let a kernel settle to fully test what it has to offer ?

question: with all of the varied setups we all have, different apps, sense - non-sense,

sense removed, LP, themes, mods, add-ons, reinstalls, removes, etc. -

wouldn't a true test for baseline be with a clean install of the ROM you want to use,

along with a flash of test kernel and no apps installed except for battery monitor widget and os monitor?

or does none of that matter - at all ?

OK - thinking outloud - thanks dude!
[EVO 4G Android Development] BuddaBelly:
Would it be possible to get v7 for 4.2.2 with no havs? 4.2.2 nonhavs v3 wouldn't charge for me. Thanks in advance and great work.
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
I too would be interested in a v7 for 4.2.2 but with the more agressive undervolting as my phone handles it just fine.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lowetax:
but DO NOT flash htc kernels if you've updated to the latest radios and are using Myn's RLS 4
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
You can use #15 if you have the newest radios..

Not sure about myn's rls4 though as it is 3.30 based.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Ragster:
Is it normal for my mV to go from 4218 to 4112 the second I take it off my charger? Trying to figure out why I don't get amazing battery life yet! Running v7
[EVO 4G Android Development] lowetax:
but not with RLS 4, if latest radios have been flashed
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
How long have u been charging it? How long have you had the kernal flashed for?
[EVO 4G Android Development] slugbug2010:
Feedback FWIW:

v. 7

mA was at 0, been between 0 and 2 for at least an hour, I received a phone call, took it off the charger and I dropped 6% in a 24 minute phone call.

NOT complaining, still way better than going from the false 100% and dropping 10%. Just given input.
[EVO 4G Android Development] casper97ta:
I said this about 10 pages ago, I have HW 0004 and i can flash any kernel i want and my camera works perfect. I make it a point to test it every time i re-flash a kernel. I thought only people with HW 0003 and the new camera chip were having problems.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Ragster:
Flashed the kernel 9 hours ago, charging for 3 hours, put it on the charger when it was about 90%, when I woke up I saw a lot of -mA's but very small, around -6 mA
[EVO 4G Android Development] SouthernEvo:
Well I confirmed it with Battery Monitor app and System Panel app . I do get the -2 , -4 reading in Battery Monitor app but when I switch over to system panel it was showing as the charger still active and Mah stable . Im going to chalk the -2's up to the Battery Monitor app just not understanding what its reading . Im currently running V7 and the 3500 is a beast on this for my phone . Everything from talking on the phone to using it for MP3's you name it . Its like an undead battery that wont die ROFL . Thank you MS
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
No, you have a 004 with an old camera chip. If you had a new camera chip you COULD NOT use your camera with ANY custom kernals.
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
Let it charge for 8 hours... then see what you get.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Ragster:
Alright, thanks! I'll try tonight
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
That is not typical, something went wrong in there for sure.
[EVO 4G Android Development] HTCRALEIGHFAN:
please dont quote that long ass post above wowowow
[EVO 4G Android Development] mwielgosz:
Hello,

Right now on 4.2.2 v4 more havs im at 9hours and 23mins while still at 55% charge!

But I am wondering if there is a reason for development to be back on 4.1.9? Did something happen with 4.2.2 that people don't like anymore?

Thanks

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[EVO 4G Android Development] Hamspiced:
From what i can tell, reading the additional 50 pages since i went to work....And posting a ridiciulous large post in hopes that a bunch of people quote it....

There was an issue with V4 that made the charger not charge although it said it was charging...

Op removed the code because he couldnt pinpoint why. New v7 shouldnt have that happen again. And thats what i am hoping for.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mwielgosz:
But from what I can tell, he's only released that change for 4.1.9. Unless im missing the 4.2.2 post

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[EVO 4G Android Development] Jay321:
HEEELLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!! Ilmy phone wont allow me yo flash the new v7 sbc kernel. It starts and then stops and says its bad

htc evo myn 2.2
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
Yes but v7 is only for 4.19 not 4.2..... He's wondering why and so am I.
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
download it again.
[EVO 4G Android Development] resonance77:
I took the phone off the charger at 3:00pm

With my normal light use, it stayed at 100% until 4:30pm

It has been off the charger now for 5 hours and is at 87%

13% battery drop in 5 hours! I would say it is working!

Nice job, MS.

By the way, I'm not using anything to limit battery usage. I turned off juice defender, no set cpu, no collin ph tweak, nothing.

I haven't used the phone that much tonight. Just a few texts and a couple emails, a few minutes of web browsing and a 5 minute phone call. That's about average for me though.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Jay321:
That helps?

htc evo myn 2.2
[EVO 4G Android Development] yamaford:
Im still trying to figure out the no charge at all thing. Can anyone that reads this (before it gets lost in the high speed thread) can PM me if they have a no charge at all problem so we can compare some info I'd appreciate it. Im stuck on v2. V2 is working good for me but I feel im missing out.
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
Sometimes... Many times if you can not get something to flash it is because of a bad download.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Hamspiced:
Im going to assume be it 4.19 or 4.2 its moot.

From my understanding we all are just beta testing. Meaning we should really go by builds.

Hes testing specific kernels for issues. When someone wants a different kernel to test he is implimenting his code into that kernal and posting it.

So im guessing there was an issue with 4.2.2 so he went to 4.19 since there were less odd issues cooked into that kernel that didnt play well with other phones.

If you look at the origional post. This is also the reason why everyone keeps getting confused on which kernel to flash.

His builds are seperated by version numbers. He has two main Netarchy kernel versions that hes hopping through with 2 variations on each kernel. More Havs, Less aggressive aggressive.

What you need to be more concerned with is the changes that occur between builds v4 and builds v7. Because once everything is ironed out come v9, then it should be able to be integrated in every version of every kernel.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mwielgosz:
I understand this reasoning here, but the differences between kernels 4.1.9 and 4.2.2 are quite large, nevermind the battery mod. Personally, I have a hard time downgrading an entire kernel version because of one battery mod fix...unless there is a very strong reason to do so. That's only why im asking.

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[EVO 4G Android Development] jelive:
Basically he was jumping all over the place to respond to issues for folks...4.2.1 vs 4.2.2 vs 4.1.9.1, CFS vs BFS, HAVS More/Less and decided to narrow down to stable 4.1.9.1 vs. beta so he could narrow down what works best, etc. Latest most tweaked is V7 which is off of 4.1.9.1 CFS.

Jim
[EVO 4G Android Development] mwielgosz:
Your post really makes you realize how many different versions ms works on. Its amazing.

Thanks for the clarification everyone.

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[EVO 4G Android Development] Hamspiced:
Perfect...

In my head it makes sense, when i re-read what i wrote i got confused.

Stick with something stable, cuts down on the variables.

He needs to know if its his mods causing the issues or the kernels...
[EVO 4G Android Development] nasseem:
what kernel version are u using??
[EVO 4G Android Development] VisedMonk:
**EDIT**

This kernel rocks -- It's now 8:47 p.m. I used my phone heavily for email and texts, but over wifi, not 3G, and my battery decreased from 81% to 72%. At 6:34 p.m., I left my phone alone, but still connected to wifi, for dinner and putting my kids to bed. When I returned to my phone, it was still at 72% and had been pegged at 3915 mV for over 2 hours.
[EVO 4G Android Development] resonance77:
4.1.9.1 v7
[EVO 4G Android Development] mikeinghilterra:
anyone try using their camera?

im on a completely clean install of mikfroyo v.4 based on 3.7 on a v3 evo

i have flashed:

12/21/10: v1.3 Build(s) - New voltage limits + AC/USB trickle charging

SBC for Netarchy's 4.2.2 More Aggressive

SBC for Netarchy's 4.2.2 Less Aggressive

SBC for Netarchy's 4.2.2 Non-Havs

and the latest 12/23 build of 4.1.9

And all seem to kill the camera. Anyone have similar experiences?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Hamspiced:
i dont think its the kernel..

I have yet to have a camera issue on any of these builds
[EVO 4G Android Development] mikeinghilterra:
What version hardware is your phone and what rom are you running?
[EVO 4G Android Development] lowetax:
and 4.1.9.1 is final and stable,

while 4.2's are still called beta
[EVO 4G Android Development] brooksjrmafia03:
I am stumped!!!!

Is anyone having a problem with charging??? I plug my phone in and it starts charging but only last for 2 seconds... i am running myns warm rls4 and i have tried every version of this kernal. what do i do??
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
Some 003 builds have the new camera chip that does not work with custom kernels. Sounds like you have this 003 to me.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Novarider:
Your charging port could be going bad. It happens. There is a thread about it over at androidforums.com
[EVO 4G Android Development] kenny111008:
Okay so coming from 4.2.2 I still have the same issue can someone please help the battery when locked is amazing then when I unlock it the battery drains like crazy all I do is text or browse xda just went from 49% to 1% in a 30 min phone call but had amazing standby time any help this time please
[EVO 4G Android Development] leenypost:
Please define locked and unlocked?
[EVO 4G Android Development] brooksjrmafia03:
its good on the stock kernal though
[EVO 4G Android Development] kenny111008:
Locked as in screen off unlocked as on screen on
[EVO 4G Android Development] Jay321:
Ok. I tried and it didnt work . I went to zshare i think. Should i try the others?

htc evo myn 2.2
[EVO 4G Android Development] pdxsam:
I'm seeing the same thing, but only when I'm trying to charge via USB.

If I use a regular charger or the car charger the phone charges just fine.

Otherwise, I plug in the USB cable, the LED goes orange for charge. By the time I press done on the screen which asks "Charge, Disk" etc, the light is out and the phone isn't charging.

The battery life is insane on this kernel so it's not a large issue for me. It would just be handy to be able to just plugin to the pc to charge.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Novarider:
Try a different usb cable. Some cables won't charge they only transfer data. I don't know why but I have had cables like that before
[EVO 4G Android Development] nasseem:
ok thanks i was using 4.2.2 but now switched to 4.1.9.1 v7 also. i lost battery pretty fast with 4.2.2
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Locking this down to only Sense builds. There's a CM build with SBC, Zendroid has it, Savage Kernel has it and so does BC's build. Only one Sense seems to have it as of right now. It's a shame I'm not on a Sense rom right now, I should change that haha.
[EVO 4G Android Development] VisedMonk:
Final update for the day, flashing the v7 build...

Heavy usage tonight. Flashed RA's recovery, played around with that a bit. A couple of downloads from the Market. 15 or 20 texts. Web to keep up with this thread.

MS, I think you nailed it with the v7 build.

Calkulin's EViO v1.7.1 ROM.
[EVO 4G Android Development] verse187:
I drop 3% in 3 minutes
[EVO 4G Android Development] AntiLazarus:
I see. Thanks.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Just re read >.< idk why I thought he was talking about the screen being off...Im gonna blame me thinking that because its 2:49am and I've been looking at code since 12pm of yesterday.
[EVO 4G Android Development] verse187:
Any help on how to charge this kernel thanks
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
What size battery do you have?

How long were you on 100%?
[EVO 4G Android Development] AntiLazarus:
It's working! Down to 32 mA.
[EVO 4G Android Development] verse187:
The stock htc battery 1500 mah i was on 100% for 1 minute
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
How long were you on 100%?
[EVO 4G Android Development] verse187:
I was at 100% for 1 minute
[EVO 4G Android Development] AntiLazarus:
This is great. I pulled it off at 20 mA, now I'm playing with it, and can't get it to drop from 100%. This is excellent!
[EVO 4G Android Development] verse187:
How are you guys doing this
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
You're gonna have to be on 100% for atleast an hour to get the full charge. Charging up to just 100% and pulling off the charger at 100% well result in the same thing for all kernels. This kernel's main feature is what goes on after you hit 100%

:D It's insane aint it? I was just shocked. at around 20mA, the voltage is at about 4.17-4.18V. When its down to 4mA thats when its almost at 4.2V. Its crazy
[EVO 4G Android Development] AntiLazarus:
To get the fullest charge, you'll need to plug it in and leave it alone with the screen off. You'll also need to let it charge for a good while even after the LED turns green. Thanks to this kernel, it continues trickle charging even after the LED says it's full.
[EVO 4G Android Development] verse187:
Ok ill try that now im charging my battery is at 82% so it will be a while thanks for quick replys though!
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
That is the good truth. And btw, what size battery are you using? Stock?
[EVO 4G Android Development] evohnoo:
Flashed, and charging up for the night, look forward to posting results.

ms79723...do you care to share how you use battery monitor widget (I just downloaded it) most effectively, and what numbers I should be watching to verify what others are seeing as well? I made the update every 50sec... but thats it.

Thanks for your effort here
[EVO 4G Android Development] verse187:
Got one more question maybe off topic how come whe can't use the evo with out a battery is just turns of even though its on the charger
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Ok so you have it set to 50 secs so thats good. Everything you want to look out for will be in "View History." Once you hit 100%, you want to make sure that the mA is all positive. If there's any negative numbers that means that you're losing power while you're on 100%. If its all positive that means the charger is staying on. Now, if you check it an hour after being on 100%, it should be all positive but at low mA's such as 32-8mA, you'll still be losing some power (you always lose about 36mA on the charger with this kernel, this is good, this means that it'll never go over 4.2V. If it did go over 4.2V, the battery would probably explode or something).
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Not quite sure. HTC must've decided against that for some odd reason. That would've helped our batteries out a lot if that were possible.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Tiffany84:
So its ok to use this with stock battery and i just let it charge for an hour aftet the light turns green? Is that it? Thanks.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Hamspiced:
do you have a build other then v7 for sense you need tested tonight? im almost at 100.

i have an idea...

we need a bit more stable less variable way of testing these... what i was thinking...

one of the few things our phones have in common is that 3g call data is disabled when the phone is active. if i run a build to 100%. then initiate a phone call between my personal and work phone and leave it engaged shouldnt that give a better perspective as a baseline?

we are using pretty generic refferences between moderate and heavy use.

i have 3 batteries i can test with. two stock batteries and a stock size extended 1750mah.
[EVO 4G Android Development] flyboy1100:
i think this was an issue with the free Gameloft game yesterday, everytime i rebooted the phone i got a FC from it, even though i never opened it. so i deleted it, charged it back up to 70% this aftertoon around 245 and at 900 when i got home, i was still at 49%. which isn't too bad since i didn't use airplane mode today when i was working (pilot) and 3.5 hours in the air usually drains the battery pretty good!
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Tonight I have nothing...well I have an AOSP v8 build that is the same as the Incredible's kernel that I'm working on (they share the same battery driver), but as far as sense goes, I got nothin for tonight. Im trying to take it easy for a bit and just wait for the results for tomorrow.

And I was thinking about having some people do set things for testing so I could get a good idea of how it works, but since everyone's usage is different, I dont think I should do it. And if I did do it, that would just add to the confusion and a whole bunch of posts where people are talking about how they aren't seeing those results.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kenny111008:
just PM me ill do some tests if you want cause like ive been saying standby tinme for me is great but the second i turn my screen on is drain but ill test for some better life on my phone
[EVO 4G Android Development] Hamspiced:
Well let me know. I have the next two nights i can dedicate to testing. and a spare phone as well as spare batteries.

If you need a bit of standardization ill help out.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Well that happens because of the way they determine what percentage is what. You may turn your phone off while its voltage is 4.177 but your still losing power, so when you turn your screen back on you're no longer at 4.177 so the phone catches up. But, it may say that you're at 4.063 when you're actually at 4.152. It's so weird, and I plan on fixing that issue soon. It'll be a long process but its something that needs to be done.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lopezpm:
I'm in the same boat. Great standby battery time but once I start using it, it drains pretty fast. If I don't use it will sit at 100 for hours. I'm using the one for new cm kernal on cm 6.1.1
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
It also depends on the build y'all are using too. 4.2.1 kernels were known to not hold power that great while the screen is on. 4.2.2 has yet to be determined but 4.1.9.1 has been known to hold power the best with screen on, but sleep a tad bit worse than 4.2.1....so it depends on the build.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Hamspiced:
wrong thread
[EVO 4G Android Development] kenny111008:
thanks at least i got some info on what might be happening but if you need a tester just pm me its no problem
[EVO 4G Android Development] mwielgosz:
If you're looking for someone to help you test, id be more than willing to contribute some time and effort. I would suggest starting a separate thread for testers though, that way people wouldn't get confused with what's happening in this thread.

Im running 4.2.2 v4 currently and its my belief that this is the best build yet...and therefore the best kernel over ever used. Almost 14 hours since I plugged in and im still at 25%...3700mV. Great work!

EDIT: Using stock battery with conservative set. Now at 15.5 hours at 17%

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[EVO 4G Android Development] dahauss:
V7 Sense build working great but I saw something strange.. I used FOURSQUARE which used the GPS and it usually turns it off when done but it never shut it down. I had to do a HOT RESTART.

Also, Battery life was good but then I used MIRAN BROWSER for 10 minutes and it killed battery from 90% to 70%.. HOWEVER I wonder if it was due to low signal in the location I was in....

one question. what do you mean by YOU CAN USE THE PHONE ON BATTERY SINCE V7 is AGGRESSIVE CHARGING? does that mean when I am using the phone while on the charger it will still charge until it hits 0MA and then shut off and then when it needs to trickle charge OR CHARGE again, it will start back up??
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
I'll test whatever
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Yeah, you can use the phone on the charger and it'll still make it to 0mA

And I think I will have a build to test for tonight. It's going to be much different than all previous builds btw. I will pm people if I upload it tonight.
[EVO 4G Android Development] dahauss:
BUT when it gets to 0MA, will the charger shut off when I am using the phone? what will happen? also what is going to be different in this build you mentioned?
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
When you hit 0mA, the charger is powering the phone, now the battery. THe battery will lose a little power, but then you'll notice some 2-4mA's.

And this new build will focus more on stock batteries
[EVO 4G Android Development] pdxsam:
This is a cable I've used before. In fact I flashed back to a different kernel and the phone charges from the same cable. Something in the kernel is fussing with the charging mechanism.

I suspect the lower voltage on the usb cable v.s. wall charger is causing some miscommunication.
[EVO 4G Android Development] dahauss:
OK but when I get enough -ma's will the charger start back up again?
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
have you tried unplugging the usb from the phone and then plugging it back in?

Well I'm confused by the -mA's to be honest. When people get a whole bunch of -2mA's...that doesnt seem to mess with battery life off the charger at all..
[EVO 4G Android Development] Trident:
I've been using v6 since Wed night. Spectacular stats over night charging and usage all day today. For the first time ever, my EVO did better than my Pre.

I did do some things based on what I saw with the Battery widget- I changed PhoneWeaver to shut off all my unused radios for certain profiles. I can always turn them ON if need be, but I was amazed at how much power

BT

was using. Surprisingly, 3G seemed to use more juice than 4G, but I think that was only because 4G was only on when I had a strong signal.
[EVO 4G Android Development] DraeGZ:
Just to be clear .. I DON'T have to WIPE Battery Stats when switching between your kernels .... Right ?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Neo3D:
That's not that great. I get over 2 days on the stock kernel that came with HTC 3.30xxx build.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
That is correct.
[EVO 4G Android Development] DraeGZ:
These modified kernels are simply .... GREAT ;)
[EVO 4G Android Development] cruise350:
So far your kernels have been great when you first take the phone off charger but once you get down below 90% on the battery it seems like it starts to drain alot faster then the stock kernels. Is there any chance of you adding your SBC effects to say HTC stock kernel #15 that came with the latest OTA. That kernel seemed to have the best battery life out of any kernel I'd used in the past. If it was combined with your trickle charge effects it could very well be the best for battery longevity out there.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
I was in the general forum and someone said that HTC will be releasing their source soon. As soon as they release it, I'm on it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Admiral2145:
voltage

what is a normal -ma while phone is sleep with v7? im around -63 with blutooth on and 3g....