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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheATHEiST:
+1 on the wow!

:mad:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fruchtfliege:
interesting thread for someone who already passed 400 posts. and i thought that i am asking stupid questions every day :D

but i will give you a hint, just because of your avatar (i have three rats - but none of them is that creature in my avatar lol): there ARE winmo roms stripped down to work best way with android. one of them is goatrip android 1.0 which i am using - it also includes a autostart for haret.exe... since this winmo rom is really old, you should search for it by yourself!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zouzousaade:
OzDROID

Energy

PLEASE search before posting
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
personal attack removed

I know how Android works, I have been using it instead of winmo for weeks now. What I am suggesting for those children who are more interested in starting arguments than actually having an adult conversation is that it would be good to have a intermediate set up between nand and the current haret set up for those who never want to go nand.

Nand: full android boot, no winmo at all.

Current haret setup: boot winmo and then click on an icon that starts both clrcad.exe and haret.exe.

My suggestion: Turn on phone, boots winmo but also boots android during the same operation it would feel like a fully android phone. Clearly you would have to set a flag file on the SD card to stop auto booting Android in case you did want to drop back into winmo but for me this would be ideal as I never go near winmo anymore but I like to have it there just in case.

Get it now everyone?????
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ej2095:
Been doing that for ages mine auto boots haret.exe....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
does it take you to winmo and then you see haret starting automatically or does the screen stay black all the way through until you get the Andriod splash?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Baker0:
Sorry but your running nand? Have I missed something?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
again total understanding failure, there as no ROMS exactly as I have described, yes there are stripped down roms, loads of them, yes there are haret auto boot programs but show me a rom that boots directly into android from power on?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
Thread LOCKED. Will clean up and unlock later...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
Thread re-opened. Please keep the swearing and vulgarities to yourselves from here on out. Next time this thread will not be reopened.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
granted but I think I poster has the right to respond to personal attacks.

Back to the thread, both roms offered take me halfway as they have stripped down ROMS, but guess what, I am already running a stripped down down using an auto bootloader, this is not what I am after. Yes Windows has to load to load haret, duh but do you have to see it?, does it have to fully load to desktop?, could the haret loader not be cooked into the boot sequence so the windows mobile desktop is bypassed or only flashes up momentarily before android boots.

noob bashing: there is nothing wrong with being a noob, personally I think far to many people on here make a few posts, get to a certain level and then get lulled into a false sense of competence where the feel they can attack people.

Searching: yes you should always search and it is useful for some things like a specific application, fault or ROM, but breaking news, it isn't that great when you are looking for something very specific, some people haven't got time to spend hours reading threads. I always search but on this occasion I could not find anything that specifically met my requirements, the fact that I have only been offered 2 and neither of these are any different to me current solution only backs up my point that searching is not the be all and end all people make it out to be.

If you haven't got something constructive or helpful to add to this thread DON'T POST.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Archer:
Unless I'm missing something here, this should answer your question.

Clrcad & haret are both exe files, which I'm sure you know are native to windows. They need Windows in order to run, so it's not possible to run them without first starting Windows. 100% not possible.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
What?

No, because thats not possible.

You

NEED

winmo to boot first, to start up drivers, and to simply run haret.

There are many bootloaders which will auto boot android before the windows mobile home screen is shown.

Does it really matter though? honestly?

You still auto boot into android at the end of the day. Your not losing anything by seeing winmo for a few seconds!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Marvlesz:
@AllWhomHasPostedEarlier

I think he means to boot into WinMo but without all the crap like splash screen or even most of the "Apps" . Just boot necessary drivers,system files, EBL's etc ... then clrcad & haret are run .. when you actually see nothing of it . Just black screen for instance . Am I right ? Cuz I'm looking for this too !
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] conantroutman:
I cant see anyone bothering to go to all the effort it would take just to find a solution to the "problem" of 10 secs worth of winmo time......

As it is, winmo boots a few seconds later haret is automatically run very soon after boot....... thats as good as its going to get for all your winmophobes........

at least until nand....... :p

Im sure you can all tolerate a tiny amount of winmo until then cant you?? :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] bakasamaz:
Yeah I think thats what OP trying to after. Im looking for this too :) wish there is a cook/dev out there that dont mind spending time to cook such a rom
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] vartp:
Ok, I think I finally understand, OP wants minimal WinMO rom with autoboot with haret (which already exist), but! he wan't no WinMo to be visible while it's booting/loading, just black screen, correct?

So here's a perfect solution for you, install existing ROM, install autoboot, turn on your phone and close your eyes for 60 seconds while it boots!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] conantroutman:
Genius..... :D

Chipped From The Bunker Via A Sandwedge
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheATHEiST:
Awesome!!

There you go OP, there is the perfect solution you was looking for :D

Jokes aside it would be sort of cool if this could be accomplished (no windows splash etc I mean) but tbh autobot 3 seconds plus a stripped version of windows is still great in itself.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zeroSIXzero:
I would like the same ROM as this.

And I'm shocked on seeing how stupid and hateful some people are just becaus THEY think a question is stupid? Is this a forum or not? Don't like the question? Then don't answer.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
good to see I have some supporters here for my concept, thanks

ideally this would be an application that could be applied to any winROM / Android ROM combination and therefore useful for everyone who wants to run android but keep winmo as a fall back.

Basically you get your stripped down winmo ROM in place, then install your android on your SD card, once both are working properly you install this app. You then reboot and when it comes back up it loads all the necessary winmo stuff, bypassing those elements not required like boot screens etc and goes straight into Android.

The benefits of this should be obvious although it does not seem some people have the foresight to understand how useful this could be.

Going full nand will have its advantages, it should boot and run a little faster but you do not have an easy fall back to winmo if you need it. This app, if it were written would give you the best of both worlds and be slicker than the current solutions.

Do you need a slicker solution?, some think not suggesting we could simply close our eyes when winmo boots. Well If people were not interested in making there mobiles run better, look better or simply like to tinker XDA would not exist, lets not pretend that if a nicer solution is offered to a current one people wont use it. For instance, Mr "see no evil" why bother changing your theme, wallpaper or ringtone? - cos you want to, there need not be any other reason.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fruchtfliege:
well my english wasn't good enough to figure out what exactly he wants. i just read out questions which already have been posted million times. that's why i was getting angry. sorry for this!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cuibap:
I would like to use this option as well.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Archer:
Bit rude to suggest a lack of foresight. People are allowed to disagree with you.

Anyway, you're not going to get a build that does not have things like bootscreens in them. This would mean a complete rebuild of a ROM from the source code up, and that's simply not gonna happen.

What could happen, however, is someone makes a build with all black bootscreens, so the screen is just black until you hit the Android stuff. You'd obviously need to make Windows have a plain black background for the desktop, and maybe do something to the lockscreen too (I see the lockscreen before my bootloader).

You can probably test this theory yourself, as there's plenty of info about customising boot screens available.

I really don't think you'll get what you're asking for, but maybe something that looks like it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
This could be a very do-able idea. You could create a minimal rom as you suggest stripping out all initial boot animinations / splash screens, sense and all other applications only having minimal os boot files needed, reakon you could build a rom for arround 50mb!

Here is the thing I am thinking off. You could bypass the haret boot loaders and do something with registery tweaks. I am thinking of putting the clard.exe and the haret.exe into the registery startup key.

This would then load android with out the need for any third party apps. (keeping rom smaller) You may see win mob for a second or two while it reboots but if you then use darkstones builds for example you could turn your phone on and have android booted in about 1.5 to 2 minutes!

Reakon it would be very do-able but I would need to know the correct path for the SD card to put it into the registery.

Also as a fail safe if you wanted to boot into WM all you would need to do is remove the SD card before you turn the phone on.

If somebody could get me the registery paths I need I could certainly build you a light wait rom based on ROM 1.66 WM 21869 kepping OS as small as possible for you. Better to use 6.5 than 6.5.5 as I reakon it would boot quicker!!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
sounds like a plan, can anyone help with the SD patch as described above?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
I too would like to know. I'd be more than willing to scrap my custom ROM in favor of a basic nothing but the basics type ROM made only to boot Android.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
If somebody could get me the registery keys I reakon it wouldn't take much to build the rom!!!! I have built multiple roms before and just simply build my own for my HD2 to suit andriod. I could easily build the rom but not sure how to point the registery to the SD card. I wonder if I could copy the haret.exe and the clard.exe to internal phone memory and launch them from there using the startup reg key?????
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
It would have to be the init keys. There's an Android Loader that uses the init keys to start the loader and auto-load Android in WM Apps and Themes somewhere. I'll see if I can find it..

EDIT:: This is the loader I was talking about - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=623792

Maybe we can use his registry as a template on how to get this idea up and running?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
Yea sounds what I was thinking of. I think you would simply need two reg keys. HKLM - startup\Storage Card\Android\haret.exe and

HKLM - startup\Storage Card\Android\clard.exe

Cant quite remember the full path name of the startup reg key. The registery hive is simiilar setup to Windows, I dont currently have a registery editor on my HD2 so cant provide full path.

I know the statup animatoin and sound is held in the operator package folder. just Jsearch the app.reg key for *.wav and remove the wave animation are held there.

I think the second splash screen may be held there as well but not 100% sure!

EDIT: I agree with using the INIT instead of using the startup folder. I think this as you say would load the two .exe's quicker than using the startup key!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheATHEiST:
Cool get cooking :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
Unfortunitly I am going away for a few days over Christmas and dont have access to my laptop. Once I am back though I will certainly knock of a rom for you. I also have a few registery tweaks I use in my own personal rom which gives me 3 to 5ma in stand by.

I can also include it in the rom!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fruchtfliege:
is it proofed by you, that this registry tweaks have this affect on your battery drain? if yes, i'm very interested! hopefully you share the tweaks without a rom, too.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
Yes it is I built two roms exactly the same, one with the reg tweaks and ran it for a few days. Getting 30 to 40ma drain based on a WWE 1.66 base rom. Then built the rom again exactly the same, using same build of Android and the reg tweaks getting between 3 and 9ma draw on stand by!!! This is with data on as well.

EDIT: The reg tweaks enable powersaving features on the SD card!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheATHEiST:
Sorry but I just simply can not see how a registry tweak for windows could have any affect on the system after windows kernel is booted out and replaced with Android, surley those power saving would happen via windows not Android?

btw Im already geting 3-5ma via Darkstone SuperRAM :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
It could be possible.. Notice how the dev's in the IRC channel were talking about how when testing MAGLDR to boot Android from SD without starting Windows at all, they were having WiFi issues but when that same ROM was booted via WM, WiFi worked fine.

This could also be true, to an extent, to other services such as SD power saving as well. I'm not trying to be argumentative, simply stating that however unlikely it may be, it could be genuinely possible.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
I agree with dharvey, I am simply saying that with the reg tweaks I am getting better results with the rom!!! :) It will not necessarly be the same for all users, depends on type of HD2 radio etc, but for me it seems to work :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] babyyim000:
it is boot from your ram.not rom.not nand.it is fast~but it will lost settings after reboot.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
Lets not get bogged down with who can and cant do what, I don't really want this thread to get off subject really.

lets just see what we come up with after Christmas and try it. The main thing is to get Android to autoboot during winboot, we can tweak the rom for speed etc at a later date.

Have great XMAS everyone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
Working on it now hopefully have something in a few hours :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
cool, will keep an eye out for it later.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wilwilwel:
:eek:LOLOLOLOL omg hold on LOLOLOLOL:eek:

Sorry to say but this threat is absolutly worthless:

1) why is it even in the Android section?

This is WinMo related and should be moved to the other section. Its all about building a new stripped WINMO ROM with black screens and a auto start haret

2) there are already ROMS what can do this. One of them is Energy, it only shows WinMo for like 0.5 seconds if you switch only the background to black you wont even notice WinMo and only see Haret loading for 3 seconds and booting through in Android

3) why would you even pretent that WinMo isnt there while it STILL IS THERE?

Ignorance is a blessing .. but this makes no sence all

Really i'm using Android since one of the first ports were publisched and i see no use of pretending WinMo isnt there. To be honest, i'm glad i still can boot back to WinMo because Andriod is lacking some functions that WinMo doest support
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
Ok so you think this thread is useless. Fair enough. Why then did you feel the need to waste your time typing this long, useless post?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
I agree, it is not about pretending win mo is not there. What we are trying to do is to reduce the boot time to get to android, removing unnecessary animations splash screens etc. I am building a mimial wm rom that doesn't even have phone support, it will simply boot to windows, automatilcy launch haret.exe and reboot to windows. So far in tests using Darkstones rom, I am now turning on the phone an booting to android in under 2 minutes :) Still need to tweak it a bit before I release it.

Oh and by the way I can think of other people who release WM mimimal roms on the android rom section I can think of Chucky etc.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Stephen:
During testing of my build I am using darkstones latest RAM build, from turing on the phone to looking at the lock screen of android 45 seconds!!!!!!

I will do a bit more tidying up of the rom and release today or tomorrow!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] adamsweeting:
Good work GhostX - I for one will certainly use your ROM. I like the sound of no phone. Power on to Android lock in 45 secs is what I'm looking for
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wilwilwel:
Ok i understand that people want to reduce the time it taken to boot into Android. But what my experience is that winmo boots within a min and booten Andiod by hand taken another 3 mins. The stripped down ROM doesnt enhance anything since my phone is always in Andiod mode. I only reboot into winmo when i want to photograph something for its quality.

If you start reading this threat from the beginning it make absolutly no sence and was wondering if ppl even had a clue what NAND means or how winmo works. Now i see you guys know were you talking about. To me its pointless but that doesnt mean that it is pointless to you.

Some how i have the feeling NAND install will be released around xmass. If there is a ROM published with a cam as good as winmo ill totaal drop winmo.

I truely hope you guys succeed in the stripping of winmo.

*correcte Andiod auto correction
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cuibap:
Wow! can't wait to try it out. Thanks for your work
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
I see you backtracked a bit in your second post, I wish you'd taken time to understand the thread before jumping all over it, you are not the only one and probably wont be the last.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
There are people out there who don't want to run NAND as they would like the easy fall back to WINMO, this thread gives you the best of both worlds, a phone that feels more like an Android phone but with the advantage of being able to swap and test android builds very quickly. Please remember this is all about preference, there is no right and wrong here.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheATHEiST:
Completely agree, although I will definitely be trying nand boot when its released, this is/could be a very good alternative, especially combined with the new RAM editions of Android builds.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] adamsweeting:
GhostX - Are you any closer to a release?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
give him a break, he's only being working on it a short while :@)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
Impressive.. Too bad I don't use the RAM builds. - I'm a big fan of the Desire HD builds. <- And for this reason, I'm very interested in a faster boot sequence. The Desire HD builds take entirely too long to boot when you are booting a fully loaded WM ROM and then a Desire HD build after that. Cutting out any of that time would be nice.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jamieross:
have you tried cedesmiths desire HD Build? pretty sure its a ram build?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] norpan111:
I would deff use this ROM, i was thinking it, searched it, found it :) gotta love xda!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] norpan111:
It's from ram? Witch one?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mobi:
Dont want to get into a flame war here but this is a pretty easy question.

The guy seems simply to be asking if he can boot up (knowing he would still be running and boot into WM), then without any user interaction, start CLRCAD and Haret and boot Android.

If it were windows for desktop setup, it would be as simple as creating a batch/script file. I am not a programmer but I would assume that something of that nature could also be created in WM without too much effort. Something very simple that, without user input, would auto start the Android boot process but leave enough time to interupt it should a user wish to stay in WM.

Its not such a bad idea...

BTW, Merry Christmas! ;-)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheATHEiST:
Actually he wasnt "simply" asking for that, He was asking for...

a) Stripped down version of windows..

b) autoboot loader

which is why he got the reply like he did, ie about this already exists and has done for ages and a search would have got him his answers.

He then clarified that he also wants it to have no splash screens.

You should probably read a bit before commenting on something that had already been resolved on 1st page.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
jeez, you are at it again, let me help you out here.

my post:

I have seen a lot of discussions regarding SD vs NAND and wonder if there is a better intermediate solution for those wanting to bypass winmo and not using nand at all. I am using Android haret and it is easily fast enough for me and much better than winmo.

Has anyone built a heavily stripped down winmo rom maximised for Andriod that auto boots android so we don't even have to load it manually from winmo? I would prefer this over NAND as I could much more easily switch back to winmo or change my android ROM. Ideally it would have no winmo boot screens and simply bypass them only showing the Android screen.

For me this was quite clear enough from the beginning. well, for most people.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mobi:
Sometimes pal, you have to read between the lines.... Try it, it works.

Have a nice day! :eek:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] smeddy:
Err this thread is descending into silliness, but TheAtheist summed your post up pretty well stoolzo!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
Already guys lets keep it on topic. No more arguing. I'll be keeping a closer eye on this thread and cleaning as I see fit from here on out.