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[EVO 4G Android Development] Ceger:
No, no... that is within normal parameters. Has your baby turtle been slapped? Now that is the critical part!

Ceger
[EVO 4G Android Development] lovethyEVO:
Awesome. Let me know when you update the github for v9 so I can play with the source code again.
[EVO 4G Android Development] AbsolutZeroGI:
V9 is going to work on aosp AND sense roms? that's gonna be sweet. Hopefully there's still a charging method to where I don't lose 10% when I unplug it.

I will miss SBC bunches and bunches (plays funeral music).
[EVO 4G Android Development] tyler.durden:
Lol. I will be getting v9 when its released as well.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
even more reason i keep an archive of all my ROM's kernels and mods on my CPU so i don't have to download again and can roll back to older versions
[EVO 4G Android Development] fgr:
Wow... Just spent the last half hour reading the good, the bad, the ugly and the just plain funny in this thread :D

I used these kernals for quite awhile without any ill effects, even though my own research told me there could be problems. Why? Just because I wanted to see if they did work, and they do work well. My battery lasted alot longer. I have switched to a different kernal now since there is still some doubt in my mind.

With or without a warning posted, common sense told me I should do a little research on something like this.

I'm very interested in what the new version(s) have to offer, and regardless of any warnings, I will try them...

Keep up the good work ms...
[EVO 4G Android Development] blackroseMD1:
Have you run any of the AOSP roms? If so, I could sure use a link to either AOSP v7 or v8.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lulu1993:
I have been using the SBC kernel for about a month and I must say that I love it, but just in case I want to switch my kernel back to the default one until v9 comes out. How do I go about doing this without restoring?
[EVO 4G Android Development] jelive:
Wipe cache and dalvik and flash a new one.

Jim
[EVO 4G Android Development] dblock3nine:
Here is v7 for AOSP, still would recommend to wait for v9 like MS said but if you need your fix here it is lol..
[EVO 4G Android Development] blackroseMD1:
Thanks man. I'll switch to v9 when it comes out, but none of the other kernels with SBC (ZenDroid or Salvage) give me the same battery life that v7 does. I'll take my chances in the meantime.
[EVO 4G Android Development] boosted98taco:
MS - All I can say is thanks!!! You've done an incredible job and your work is much appreciated. I am a very heavy user of my EVO. I bought it to use it, and I do just that. I've got thru mad ROM's and an equal amount of Kernels. Your work is praised. I've yet to have "incredible" battery life like some here have stated, but I will say mine has drastically improved since using your Kernels. My temps are not thru the roof as usually are with other Kernels, and MA's are just where you say they should be. It amazes me how smooth the charging cycle is with yours. I watch it and see where its at. Again, thank you for the work, and dedication. Look forward to V9.
[EVO 4G Android Development] tehkingo:
To download this kernel, I need to go to the github and select the .zip download, right?
[EVO 4G Android Development] SpaceMonky:
ok so the warning is up, can we get the kernels back now?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
Yeah, even I agree. Put them back up
[EVO 4G Android Development] Ya Boi D:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...eries-have-overcharge-protection-chip-inside/
[EVO 4G Android Development] smiznith:
Sounds like the debate has been shot.. Where are the engineers at?!?!

Sent with ICE from behind your chick.... Via the EVO xda app
[EVO 4G Android Development] toneman1984:
Can't wait for v9! Keep up the great work!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
Isn't the whole point of the SBC kernel to "bypass", through software, that chip?
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
I put my twitter in my sig for a reason yet I rarely update it anymore..thats going to change. Im going to place what I am currently doing with this kernel on twitter. But as a quick update now, Im playing around with the undervolting.
[EVO 4G Android Development] nugzo:
Thank You. Well said (I think you should be free to do whatever you want to your phones and batteries... just do so with the knowledge that you may not like the consequences.)
[EVO 4G Android Development] mshnayde:
So there is no further development of this kernel?

That's just not cool.

Was really looking forward to this getting better and better.
[EVO 4G Android Development] sesz:
lol was a jk . If you root , you take chances. Even cigarette smokers don't know all the ingredients. But they still smoke it....idk why my SBC kernal works, but its good. Okay so i might die so..lol
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Who here has issues with netarchy's more aggressive kernels? I need a tester..
[EVO 4G Android Development] Amanchik:
Did you read multiple post on the subject that batteries have hardware circuit protection in them? Lets assume that SBC contributed in battery failures somehow, and even then its only due to hardware failure of the circuit protection. It is a very bad mentality to think you can sue anybody. And about welcoming me in America, fyi I served in US Armed Forces for 3 years, and been here for 8, so thx...
[EVO 4G Android Development] JTNiggle:
I don't know if I would call them real issues, but I had better overall performance from the less aggressive version. Running the less aggressive, non havs, sbc one now.

Whatcha got?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Amanchik:
No issues here, using SBC mod with Netarchy's 4.3.1 more agressive-havs. Thanks for SBC and don't listen to all these pseudoengineers have to say!!!!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Amanchik:
Now i got it =))) I apologize for the last part of my post. Should have thought before posting =)))
[EVO 4G Android Development] Product F(RED):
Look, I'll be the bigger person and apologize for continuing (though I wasn't alone) the argument. Can we look past this whole thing since ms put up the warning and is testing his kernels now?
[EVO 4G Android Development] scooter185:
since things seem to have cooled down now...

While I myself do not use SBC (though from what I understand of v8 it charges differently than previous versions, so maybe I'll try it), I do commend MS for contributing and advancing the development for the evos. My posts previous likely came off as anti-sbc, but i'm more anti-blind fool, which a good amount of posts across the 3 threads on this subject have been.

We would never have reached the moon if we gave up after the first time something bad happened, it's the price of being on the edge of science. But being on the edge means you should be aware of potential risks, and just because something works today doesnt mean its not going to fail tomorrow. Again, thanks MS for your hard work and dedication to the kernels which, as this thread has shown, as improved many an evo uses phone.
[EVO 4G Android Development] islandreamer:
V8 is burst (bad choice of words) and v7 is trickle charge. Personally I like trickle charge because the phone has a higher charge when it is taken of charge. V8 works well also but I find that I have to check the battery monitor to see when to take it off charge. They both work well just a matter of convenience. Comes down to personal choice. Try both and see what fits your phone and lifestyle best.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Cole28:
Can anyone PM me a link for the latest sense kernel?
[EVO 4G Android Development] scooter185:
well I think I'll wait for V9 and then decide, which if any, to use.
[EVO 4G Android Development] islandreamer:
It's all about personal choice. I am excited to see v9 also v7 has worked great for me. Was off the charger for 34 hours and had 57% left, not heavy use since I was 100 miles from a charger
[EVO 4G Android Development] islandreamer:
I screwed up that post, sorry V7 or v8 both can be used on sense? Just different charging styles, as best I know.
[EVO 4G Android Development] scooter185:
ive gotten into the habit of bringing my cable with me, as I can charge off the computers at work. Lately though I've been running 4g and wifi tether for my ipad, which is obviously going to drain the batt no matter what kernel im using, lol.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
yeah, that is no good. that means something is keeping your phone awake 100% of the time. if you are using it, makes sense, if not download spare parts and see what is causing partial wake-lock. if nothing else wipe your cache's and reboot
[EVO 4G Android Development] jasonziter:
Where do you find awake time and up time.....silly question....i know ive found it before

Nevermind ....found it...is there a widget for this.
[EVO 4G Android Development] luckylui:
In settings, about phone, battery

Sent from Point A to Point B
[EVO 4G Android Development] yamaford:
Well everything was fine after reflashing 131 today. got it down to 20 before I had to pull it off the charger and the life was insane. Then when I plugged it back in the led went out. I didnt notic for 2 hours but battery monitor shows it stayed at 88% for 2 hours but every line showed -700 -500 -278 and so on until it got to-4 ma before i found it. Then I rebooted and its lit up green and showing 100 % 112mA.

Quirky little buggar but it works like a champ. I like seeing that its charging right before my eyes.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
what was your voltage when you were getting the negative mA's?
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
looks like things are working as they should, rocking 131 on MYN RLS4
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
try it with non havs. Maybe your phone doesn't like the more aggressive kernel.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Did you switch from AC to USB?
[EVO 4G Android Development] edgemaster191:
i don't have any solid data on this yet but so far i'm impressed.

i booted a sense rom, flashed the kernel, let it charge until it was charging at 17ma

rebooted and restored my nandroid backup of CM6.1.1

it's been 2 hours and i'm at 89% on my 3500mah seidio battery.

it will be epic once you get a AOSP kernel going :)

i would like to see this after letting it charge over night instead of just an hour or so.
[EVO 4G Android Development] BAttitude7689:
ive always used setcpu and right now im running calks rom, with his set cpu profiles....should i now change scaling to "smartass" since using this kernel has smartass scaling???
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Its all up to you. You don't have to use smartass if you don't want to.

When i get home today, I'll have a 4.2.2 build with havs and non havs to see if that fixes the sleeing issues people are having. Tomorrow I'll have an AOSP kernel for sure.

Tomorrow I'll also have the charging tweak working for USB, or maybe I will tonight. Idk. Just know that its coming.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mwielgosz:
Hello,

I've been following this thread for a bit and find these developments quite neat.! Any chance of a BFS build? Currently I use netarchy 4.2.1 bfs havs more aggressive and I love it. Would love to see this with bfs.

Thanks!

Evolved into a higher form of communication
[EVO 4G Android Development] evofreak80:
So far i put this kernel on my phone about 10am this morning and charged my phone 1/2hr past the green light took off the charger at like noon and have used my evo pretty mildly all day and im now just at 56% battery left

Im very impresser here!!

Andy
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
your awesome man!! seriously this is huge for the evo community
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Expect bfs tonight.

Just wait till you take it off the charger overnight. You'll be amazed :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
dude, looking forward to the new NET kernel, here is some screen shots of my 131 experience. Let's see some more donations for this little gem of a thread, this is huge!! pretty much unless i am dumber than i think, these kernels allows us to pretty much completely charge our batteries!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Persnlmgr:
Like I said, I think this is a brilliant concept, so I am gonna keep trying...

Hopefully you'll have the 4.2.2-based HAVS up tonight so I can flash it and let the phone charge overnight to give it a really fair shot.

I don't think it's too aggressive. After doing a bit of reading, I think I'll run it naked...as in NO SetCPU. I think the smartass scaling in SetCPU doesn't get along with the smartass scaling you're building into the kernel.

We'll see....

But I'm definitely up for keeping at it. All those battery "calibration" tricks were just ways of fooling the 90-100% charging quirk these phones have. If this kernel can do it from within the OS, it's a home run!! :D
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
dump setcpu, nothing wrong with the app, but i haven't run it in months with these newer kernels. check my post above for some screen shots of 131 in action
[EVO 4G Android Development] Chuki82:
What battery app is that?
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
battery monitor widget
[EVO 4G Android Development] Cole28:
Version 8. I didn't get a chance to download it before the link was removed.

Edit: I know the risks and will be happy to slap the baby turtle myself.
[EVO 4G Android Development] scooter185:
I..err...what? I was curious more if you, or someone else, had an idea for whim kernel may be better based on my usage. Next time I'll make that explicitly clear.
[EVO 4G Android Development] islandreamer:
Sorry thought you were responding to MY usage over a 36 hour period in my post.
[EVO 4G Android Development] pulser_g2:
Closed until flaming can be cleared
[EVO 4G Android Development] toastcfh:
thread reopened

thread reopened. infractions have been issued to all offenders here. please keeep thread on -topic and stop flaming,trolling, arguing, ect... all offenders from here on out will be issued infractions for such posts. thanx for reading

back on topic :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] iitreatedii:
thanks toast
[EVO 4G Android Development] lildoug2410:
Is there anywhere that we can still d/l the kernels besides here?? if so can somebody let me know, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks
[EVO 4G Android Development] jhuff83:
http://www.qap.la/~netarchy/

I can't figure out which ones were the kernels that were originally posted though. I was looking for version 8 bump charging and can't tell which one it is.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lildoug2410:
Are these kernels the same as MS's Kernels?
[EVO 4G Android Development] jhuff83:
http://androidforums.com/2061751-post48.html

I think v8 was the bump charging one.
[EVO 4G Android Development] jhuff83:
I believe so.
[EVO 4G Android Development] bama78792000:
Is there any where to download the trickle charge kernel for cm 6.1. I've searched, but I can't find it anywhere.
[EVO 4G Android Development] fopho:
Safe to use?

I know they all come with the "this may break your device" warning. But how safe is this to use actually?

I do not really get what trickle charing means, I know it charges at the same rate of discharge, but what does it mean to me? To my knowledge I didn't think Ion batteries were meant to be trickle charged. Is there anything special I should do to prevent my phone from melting down? Not leave it on the charger too long or something?

Any input here would be much appreciated. I see the battery life people are getting with this kernel and it makes me cry a little bit inside. Also scared of breaking my phone.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kf2m:
Stock HTC kernel #15 with SBC v7
[EVO 4G Android Development] islandreamer:
I have 131, 132, v7 and v8. V7 is trickle and v8 is bump and are MS's kernels. if you want one then PM me and I will send you the link after you read the OP.
[EVO 4G Android Development] fixxxer2008:
can you send me v8 as well?
[EVO 4G Android Development] thaprinze:
Anyone know if the v8 beta is the same as the v8 everyone's been using? Was there ever a final version?
[EVO 4G Android Development] casper97ta:
If someone wants v8 Pm me and ill get it to you
[EVO 4G Android Development] lildoug2410:
You are awesome Thanks Man!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] willy900wonka:
Opened but lost. Thanks for opening, but the X in DA is missed.
[EVO 4G Android Development] iamshaked:
which version is good for cm7?
[EVO 4G Android Development] mlin:
I have savage 1.6 for aosp roms. I am not home but will upload it later.

Tapa tapa tapa
[EVO 4G Android Development] bama78792000:
thank you sir. I don't understand the big fuss with these sbc kernels. Everyone who has a rooted phone has voided their warranty anyways....
[EVO 4G Android Development] iamshaked:
Its not about voiding your warranty through rooting your phone. Why don't you do a little research before lightly shrugging it off like its no big deal.

Check out the General section there's an article there.
[EVO 4G Android Development] BrianDigital:
I too am in need of SBC kernel for aosp roms too
[EVO 4G Android Development] aimbdd:
I have a copy of savage sbc cfs if anyone wants it feel free to pm me. Don't start again guys. We don't want the thread closed again.

Sent from my salvage gb evo!
[EVO 4G Android Development] netarchy:
These kernels have never been posted in this thread, though the sbc builds do contain the SBC code that ms created.
[EVO 4G Android Development] casper97ta:
Does anybody else have the issue of freezing on htc screen when trying to reboot into recovery from the boot menu? It does it on manila carbon rom and evozone. Im pretty sure its the kernel causing it cause when I first flash the roms the reboot into recovery via boot menu works fine but after I run a sbc kernel it freezes on the htc screen.

Also, if anybody wants the v8 kernel for aosp or sense PM me
[EVO 4G Android Development] mwielgosz:
Try flashing a different kernel such as Netarchy (without SBC) or the stock htc kernel #15. It will help you narrow down your issue. If it happens on only the netarchy kernel, then its an issue with his kernel, not SBC. The only thing SBC modified is the way the phone charges...if there is actually a bug with a kernel, it should be reported to the right thread so it can be looked at.

Also, it seems strange that a kernel would be causing this issue, as its more a function of the rom to provide reboot to recovery support. But, kernels may have a function call that provides this...I'm not exactly sure.
[EVO 4G Android Development] casper97ta:
Thanks for the tip ill try flashing a non sbc net kernel and see if it still happens.
[EVO 4G Android Development] khshapiro:
I do have to say in my experience with v7 and cheap eBay batteries I had fantastic battery life, when I switched back to a non sbc my battery life greatly declined. My batteries never got hot and neither did my phone. I will also say my cheapo batteries loved the sbc but my stock could have cared less. Can some1 link me v8?
[EVO 4G Android Development] cmdauria:
If you use an external charger with an extended battery does it even matter if the kernel is SBC? Will the external charger charge the 3500mah battery to capacity and keep it there?
[EVO 4G Android Development] aimbdd:
SBC makes no difference. The kernel is on the phone not battery. Yes it will, because there is next to no drain on the battery while on a charger.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kf2m:
Have you tried the stock HTC/SBC ROM? I seem to have issues with ROM's other than stock. But the stock one runs like champ.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kf2m:
Yes. I have a Seidio 3500 battery. Non-SBC I'm lucky I get 12-18 hours of usage. With SBC I get from 24-32 hours. Juice Plotter, and Battery Monitor don't lie.

Only if you run a SBC kernel.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kidrobot978:
I can never get to 0ma lowest was 9ma any suggestions why or another kernal I should use I'm currently using 4.3 bfs havs more sbc netarchy toastmod
[EVO 4G Android Development] lovethyEVO:
Your logic makes no sense.

An external charger charges independantly outside of a phone. It has no software (so to speak).

The circuitry in the external charger dictates how the battery is charged not a software kernel.

If you charge the seidio in an external charger then yes it will charge to true capacity. The sbc modded kernel does not need to be used if you charge the seidio in an external charger because the external charger is not part of the phone.

Even after you charge the seidio in an external charger the sbc mod does nothing to keep the battery from draining. The sbc mod is only a charging mod that works when the battery is charged inside the phone.

If you use the external charger and use it constantly you don't need the sbc mod. If you want to be able to charge your seidio in your evo every now and then you need the sbc mod.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lovethyEVO:
I currently have my sbc mod shut off the charger when it gets down to +150mA or less.

This still holds a lengthy charge at 100% and the voltage usually reads at around 4.15x+ which is full capacity to the evo.

The 150mA limit is based on my seidio's characteristics and may be too low for the stock battery.

I wouldn't worry about not getting to 0mA. In the case of the stock battery you could probably pull the charger when it has been at 100% and the charge mA is at or below 550/600 and you should still get a full charge. I don't guarantee this though as I have been modding the sbc code to play better with my seidio/sprint extended batteries.
[EVO 4G Android Development] cmdauria:
Even though my logic made no sense. You answered my question perfectly. Thank You!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] nugzo:
Wrong. SBC has nothing to do with an external charger, how can it? you dont put sbc on the battery! :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G Android Development] lovethyEVO:
It wasn't your logic that I said made no sense. It was the poster(kf2mq) who answered you first who made no sense.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mwielgosz:
This has made me quite curious...what are you doing (different from "stock" sbc) with the sprint extended batteries? Are you just having the charger shut off at a different time, or is it charging differently at different voltages?
[EVO 4G Android Development] lulu1993:
Im running SBC-htc-15(sense) kernel and I would like to switch back to the evos stock kernel just to be safe, but I cannot find it, can someone please point me in the right direction?
[EVO 4G Android Development] lovethyEVO:
It's still charging the way the stock sbc charges. I just have the charger shut off period. I'm still testing it because I also want it to turn back on once the level drops below 95% after the charger has been shut off but the last time I charged it I had to work hard just to get the voltage to drop (which is a somewhat indication of the battery level) and I did not see it turn back on. Granted when I pulled the charger off it showed me at 96% so I probably wasn't patient enough. Still testing though. I plan on sharing my code block with ms if it does in fact kick back in.

Stock sbc doesn't shut off at all. It will continue to charge past 100% until it eventually reaches 0mA but even when it reaches 0mA the charger stays on.

I monitored the sbc behavior against my seidio/sprint extendeds and found +150mA or less to be a full charge for my extendeds. YMMV.

I also noticed that sbc is the only way to get a constant linear charge on the extended batteries in the evo.

The stock kernel (non sbc) will do a linear charge on the extended battery but it does it in bursts.

I hated this because it meant that my extended had to be charged for a longer period of time.

With the sbc mod the evo achieves a more "true" linear charge on the extended and charges it to capacity in a shorter amount of time because there is no burst or pause between charges.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kf2m:
I think I may have misread your question. You're talking about a charger that you drop the battery in right? I was thinking about the wall brick that you plug into the phone.