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[Venue Pro General] Ganondolf:
it has to have 256mb to seem the min spec. it could be the OS is taking the other 31mb.

i would have thought WP7 would use up more that 31mb though.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Actually strictly speaking it didnt, 64MB of that quoted figure was dedicated for the GPU in ths Snapdragon chip, HTC just quoted all the figures together to make it seem like the HD2 has more memory than other devices.

And apart from a freeze while first syncing with my PC the phone has been solid, no freezes at all. I have quite a few programs installed (only 2 with live tiles), music and 1 movie so far and everything has been stable.
[Venue Pro General] Ganondolf:
i think dell should answer the question regarding ram quickly as if the dvp does have 512mb of ram but for some reason it does not show up right in the apps they are getting a bit of bad press about nothing.

i have asked lionel on twitter about it and he said he was going to look into it and let me know.

i have also emailed play.com and asked them to let me know the official amount of ram as the advertise it with 512mb.

hopefully between the 2 we should be able to get a answer to the amount of ram the dvp really has.
[Venue Pro General] Ganondolf:
link to microsoft official page showing 512mb of ram.

if it does only have 256mb i would like someone from microsoft or dell to explain this.

Link:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/glance.aspx
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
My guess is DVP really has 1GB flash ROM and 512MB RAM as someone here (lemonspeakers) posted that the phone is functioning after removing the SD Card. So there might be some truth to Microsoft claims.
[Venue Pro General] Ganondolf:
the dvp should runwithout an sd card as the os is on the rom (as with all phones) but the ram seems strange.

I do think the freezes are more related to the sd cards being used by dell as on the dell support forum people are saying the part of the device where the sd card is gets very hot before it freezes (and only the sd card part as they say the battery is not hot when this happens).

once dell comes back from their christmas break im sure we will get answers.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
you're confusing storage space and ram and the two are NOT mutually exclusive

the phone does function without microsd as da_g has already mentioned back in march in one of his panoply of stickies about the wp7 architecture. So that's not a surprise in the least

but what is troubling is the ram
[Venue Pro General] citrix80:
I had about 1 or 2 times, the screen froze, only happend in internet explorer, have not seen any other apps freeze up.
[Venue Pro General] lemonspeakers:
I’ve noticed that I only have about 405MB of total storage after mSD card removal. The funny thing is that when I begin to install apps, that number decrease. Not only that, that number fluctuates each time I come back to viewing it under settings. I don’t know if it’s ROM of RAM. I am so confused.

I should note that I ve never had a single freeze.
[Venue Pro General] dede0380:
Ehhh

The blinking is coming from the camera he is shooting the video with lol you can see it through out the video in the reflection... ...... ..... :p
[Venue Pro General] tbvnz:
Yeah I noticed this on mine too.
[Venue Pro General] gabrialxue:
I just got my DVP, its awesome but I'm on At&t and it's sim locked. Does anybody know how to set up a rebel sim to work with the DVP? I know it is glitchy and such but if it lets me call/text and receive calls and text I'm okay with that. I dont have data anyway.
[Venue Pro General] CrownSeven:
Its heeeeeeeeeee-re.

And somebody is not too happy about it:

That was a picture of my old 3gs, taken with the DVP, in a dark room. So yeah, low light camera not so good (which is the same for just about every cell phone camera in existence).

I'm having a lot of fun exploring the phone right now, so I'll post more a bit later on.

By the way, someone asked if a signature was required by fedex, and the the answer is no, which kind of surprises me.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Actually that picture is a lot better than what was shown in a youtube vid by one of the guys who got his on Nov 8, it was blurry and completely unusable. This one at least looks passable.
[Venue Pro General] lemonspeakers:
Wrong. So wrong. Look at what images I can pull of with my DoCoMo Sh-06a. Yeah That's right. Suck that!

There exists smartphones that can kick ass... the sad part is, you didn't know because you're too drowned by Engadget's inhibiting news.

http://otonly.com/1210/westlake. jpg (Combine the dot and jpg to view the image)

This picture was only resized. Not manipulated in any other way.
[Venue Pro General] CrownSeven:
Hmmm suck that eh?

And the reason for your crappy attitude is?
[Venue Pro General] jfellows:
for real.. chill out dude.
[Venue Pro General] theclueless:
yay! got the DVP 8GB; swapped the sdcard out (the black sticker did not say "void", nor you need to destroy it to get the card out, just peel it enough to reveal the slot) with the 32gb sandisk class 2 card. works perfectly
[Venue Pro General] yourlife:
Thats good news. Now our we know our warranty wont be void if we replace the card, and that officially supported cards are probably on the way.
[Venue Pro General] citrix80:
looks good. i cant wait to get mine.

not t-mobile logo in that video. did you try another sim card?
[Venue Pro General] Wonderstruck80:
Seriously? I thought the OS was loaded on the sd card that the phone shipped with....
[Venue Pro General] lemonspeakers:
So you did your swap already? How cool!

1) Can you notice any lag since the 32GB is only class 2?

2) What class was your 8GB from the DVP?
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
nah but brandon of pocketnow had att didn't work

also the camera in low light is not too good...

it sucks actually...I am getting a very slow wakeup to the device...about a 1-2 second delay in wakeup the screen bleeds at the top I'll show you all what I mean soon
[Venue Pro General] theclueless:
the 8gb card is class 4, also from sandisk

and no, i dont see any lags

installing the sdcard was a pain (for me at least); for some odd reason i was never able to pull the battery fast enough before the phone turns back on when i go reset the phone :mad:

but once i got the timing right, everything worked perfectly
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
What timing?
[Venue Pro General] theclueless:
in order for the phone to properly format the new sdcard, you need to:

1. with the original sdcard, go to setting -> about -> reset your phone

2. confirm twice

3. as the screen turned off, pull the battery (i have horrible timing when i pulled it)

4. remove the original sdcard and put in the new one

5. turn the phone back on, it should go through with the "first time turn on" process and prompt you for live account and install the apps

the whole process is written on a post here on DVP general, too lazy to dig it out to give credit
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
I'll try a new sd card when I afford it but there is some lag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKj12FbRYJk

there's the video
[Venue Pro General] ComCypher:
So after almost a day of use I have a better idea of what it's like to live with a DVP now. I'm glad to find that all of the issues that were originally reported don't seem to be affecting these devices (connecting to secured wifi, unusable headphone jack, SIM errors, etc.) however there are a couple features that my 6 year old Motorola PEBL had that I'm now missing. Namely, an external display to quickly inform me if I have any missed calls/messages, and an LED to let me know if the battery is charging or charged.

Of course I doubt most smartphones have the first feature, but I've already been bitten by the lack of battery indicator because I left the device plugged into the wall overnight, but I wake up to find the battery completely drained so clearly I didn't do something right. I now have it charging via my laptop which seems to be working okay.
[Venue Pro General] SHAUN231:
where did you get your lockscreen wallpaper
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
actually in the wp7 wallpaper thread...its on here...its the snow wallpaper
[Venue Pro General] im.thatoneguy:
ISO 400/800 and "Twilight" for the White Balance.

Updated battery report:

Ran it pretty 'normally' yesterday. Even synced up 5,000 outlook emails and spent about an hour or two browsing the web. Battery lasted over 18 hours. Probably had at least another hour of that level of usage.

Largest annoyance is still how hard it is to bring it out of sleep mode. Even with the keyboard open pushing the home button doesn't wake it up. Which is stupid because it's obviously not in your pocket if the keyboard is open. I might need to buy a watch...

Oh and the Microsoft Newsroom App is terrible. Don't use it. Scrolling is laggy and it crashed so hard today I had to pop out the battery.
[Venue Pro General] bernaserra:
No led? Dom's videos all show an led notification light. You can see it blinking in every vid....Also an external display? You mean like the old flip phones that had an mini screen on the back?
[Venue Pro General] im.thatoneguy:
No notification LEDs here. At least not for text messages or voicemail as far as I can tell.
[Venue Pro General] voltigeur:
I want to have mine.

Still have to wait till 11th of januari. "the europe release date" :P

___________________________

Current phone

HTC touch HD

windows mobile 6.5

Miniterror's Ravage v5.4 clean

Waiting for DVP
[Venue Pro General] bernaserra:
So what in the world is the light blinking in Dom's dell venue pro video? I asked him in the comments if it was an led notification light and he said yes.

you see it at the end when he is taking a photo blinking away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lACjsq1ptI
[Venue Pro General] Arcarsenal:
I know 100% that my Venue Pro doesn't have any LEDs on the front of any kind. That must be a mistake or trick of the camera. Granted, I still have an "engineering" DVP but I doubt they retooled the process to add a single LED.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
how can the hd2 trick anything? we all know how much fail that camera is. Let's be realistic

as for the led it was on the video but not on anything else which is odd...if I knew at caused it I'd tell you guys in an instant!

That much I do know
[Venue Pro General] Arcarsenal:
Not trying to call you a liar at all. The area in which the "LED" was seen is the place where the ambient light sensor and proximity sensor are located. Could it have just been a reflection that was caught and looked like a blinking LED? I would be very happy if they somehow added an LED on these new models but I know for sure that my engineering phone has no such thing.
[Venue Pro General] ft55555:
Isn't there an LED that turns on when you have the charger plugged in?
[Venue Pro General] Arcarsenal:
No, there is no LED when the phone is charging. Like the ZuneHD, the phone itself won't charge if it is turned off. It turns itself on when you insert a charger - so it always needs to be on so you can see your charge level. Again, this is from my experience with my "engineering" model purchased on November 8.
[Venue Pro General] KilZone:
If you watch very closely you see the 'LED' jump position (to the other corner of the phone) at 3:31, so I can only conclude it is a glitch in the phone software of the HD2. (Maybe the so-called 'Hot-Pixel'-Effect? Though this is more or less a DSLR term when it comes to video recording...)

Link: Video @3:27
[Venue Pro General] ComCypher:
The blinking light in that video is definitely either the light or proximity sensor. Digital cameras are able to see some infrared light, which I suspect is being emitted by the sensor(s).
[Venue Pro General] Sangheili:
Can someone please take a screenshot or record the info from the Settings > About > More info screen?

The engineering sample I had is as follows:

OS version 7.0.7004.0

Firmware: 2250.1500.7004.029

Hardware: 112.576.2.0

Radio software: 2.2.50.15

Radio hardware: 8250

Bootloader 7.27.1.0

Chip SOC: 0.36.2.0

Curious about any differences.
[Venue Pro General] CrownSeven:
Here you go:

OS Version: 7.0.7004.0

Firmware revision number:2250.1500.7004.105

Hardware revision number:112.576.2.0

Radio software version: 2.2.50.15

Radio hardware version: 8250

Bootloader version: 7.27.1.0

Chip SOC version: 0.36.2.0
[Venue Pro General] CrownSeven:
Deleted moved to issues thread....
[Venue Pro General] themadmen:
The same as me :cool:
[Venue Pro General] carlb007:
Thats exactly what that blinking is - Infrared from the proximity sensor. You get this with any infrared device on a camera - just look at your wii sensor bar through your phone's camera for example and you will see its 6 IR LEDs.

Carl.
[Venue Pro General] SHAUN231:
just wondering if anyone here got there phone on contract and if so. does it show on your account yet or did you have to call tmobile
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
No problems here (I THOUGHT I had a sim card error.. then realized I use SIM Manager on my new Dash 3G to get my old sim contacts on the Dash and handn't reversed the process to put them on the new SIM Card.. DOH)

Noticed if you go to display setting you can brighten the screen from Medium (Default) to Bright.. makes a huge difference.. not sure if it kills the bat or not.

Now I have noticed one BIG issue... has ANYONE seen H show up on thiers? I only get Edge or 3G no HSPDA notice.. MY DL speed is in the 800KBPS range.. my Dash 3G is 1.2 MPS to as high as 2.3MPS... My Dash DOES show H along with 3G and Edge.. so has anyone confirmed the DVP can take advantage of HSPDA speeds?

But guess it doesnt matter since i have to keep my Dash around anyway to tether.. (Err.... :( )
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
OS version 7.0.7004.0

Firmware: 2250.1500.7004.105

THIS SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE

Hardware: 112.576.2.0

Radio software: 2.2.50.15

Radio hardware: 8250

Bootloader 7.27.1.0

Chip SOC: 0.36.2.0
[Venue Pro General] CrownSeven:
I ordered a DVP with a new line of service. I had to call Tmobile to get my account activated. Seemed like the activation through dell's web site has a few hicups.
[Venue Pro General] SHAUN231:
oh ok after talking with dell i am just gonna pay tmobile the 200 for canceling i was gonna cancel my previous line. but ill just use my old sim and cancel the line that comes with the dvp
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
Personally I am going to play the "hear no evil know no evil.. "

I just popped the SIM Card in my DVP from my Dash 3G and will wait to see if they ever add a line. I HAD a upgrade availlable but they couldnt figure it out.. so I figured I would get a "new" line and then have T-mobile fix it all later.

Since they haven't added the line to my Tmo account.. I will just play ignorant.. and see if they ever catch up.
[Venue Pro General] SHAUN231:
me too. I actually sold the phone but have insurance so will call and say I lost it and will have them send me the g2 to just use to tether. I think they wont add the account. and if they add it too late ill just deal with it then
[Venue Pro General] Lokire:
Just got mine! Phone is gorgeous! :D
[Venue Pro General] sureloch:
Unit is the nicest and classiest handset I have ever seen. Thinner than I expected for having the keyboard. Not huge in the hand, but as big as they could get away with but still feel good to hold. The HD2 and HD7 were just a bit over the edge to me in size.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Anyone received the Otterbox case and happen to use it? Is it any good?
[Venue Pro General] eok45:
I just recieve my venue pro & i must say that i'm really impress with it. From the quality factor to the software & etc. I'm just having a hard time connecting to my school email with outlook. Could anybody help? Thx/
[Venue Pro General] SHAUN231:
yeah what issues are you having with outlook. you can pm me if you want. but what you need to do is get to the advanced outlo9ok setting you do that by entering in your onfo twice and on the second time if it cant auto find your settings it gives you the option for advanced then you manually enter the server address and your username has to be your full email adress with the @ and .com
[Venue Pro General] yourlife:
I would also like to know about the Otterbox case. The Venue Pro is already a somewhat "thick" device, and I know the Otterbox cases are not known for their "thin" profiles.
[Venue Pro General] MJCS:
I just picked up my replacement DVP from the MS store in Mission Viejo and everything works. The camera seems to be better in lowlight, I can connect to my secure WiFi now, and I no longer have an engineering battery.
[Venue Pro General] Lokire:
Quick pro:con / general thoughts

Got my DVP yesterday! Wanted to list a few general thoughts so far. I'm coming from an HTC Evo, which is still my primary phone for now.

Pros:

Phone is gorgeous.

Build quality is great. Sliding mechanism has a smooth feel and nice spring to it.

Love the form factor / keyboard.

Love the little UI nuances and attention to detail with WP7 OS in general

Speaker sounds very good, and loud!

Cons:

Pretty unimpressed with Outlook, and this is probably the biggest sticking point for. It looks great, but there aren't a lot of features that you can customize. You can only see 4-5 emails in your inbox at a time on the screen, whereas with Android (using touchdown) I can see 14 at a time. Option for a bit smaller font size would be nice, and there's no option to turn off message previews so it just shows sender/subject. No rules or categories are integrated either. Also annoys me that EVERY larger email will cut off and ask me to click to download pictures or the rest of the email. Any other OS usually has a setting where you can choose to always download full e-mails.

Excel is great in some ways, lacking in others. Any mixed chart types all revert to a single chart type, which can be annoying. A little slow with bigger file, which I guess is to be expected. Good assortment of the usual functions. I've definitely had some better excel performance from 3rd party apps on android though.

A little unimpressed with basic text on the display. I don't know if it's the amoled screen (first I've used at length), but black text on white background isn't as crisp and easy to read as on my EVO. Pictures and colors look awesome, just not plain text.

Everytime you search the marketplace, it searches everything, including music. There doesn't seem to be a way to search for only apps. Marketplace is still young and there aren't a ton of apps yet, so I assume this will improve eventually.

Camera could be better. Seems like it just needs a faster shutter speed really. Firmware/software update?

Google calendar only syncs the main calendar, none of the subcalendars/categories. This really bugs me. The vast majority of my events aren't going to sync now...
[Venue Pro General] eok45:
great recap! But do u also notice a bit of lag sometimes? ex: The capacitive buttons sometimes freezes a little, but when i press the button to put it to sleep, everything returns to normal. Is any1 facing this problem? If, so do u think is a big issue?
[Venue Pro General] yourlife:
Can anyone comment on the Otterbox Commuter Case?
[Venue Pro General] benjaminries:
My DVP is on the FedEx truck for delivery this morning, and I've already got the Otterbox case. I promise a post about it in the Accessories forum.
[Venue Pro General] pessimistic observer:
the case makes the power button easier to press

its a hard backed case so it does add thickness to the device

doesnt add that much weight though
[Venue Pro General] yourlife:
Does it add enough thickness that some would say it was bulky and affect its pocketability or make it uncomfortable in any way?
[Venue Pro General] lemonspeakers:
Are u using the Dvp under T-Mobile or att? R u just not connecting at all or you can't manually input the apn?
[Venue Pro General] SHAUN231:
has anyone actually had the phone added to thier account without having to call tmobile. havent heard anything from tmobile been using it with my old sim. and no line or upgrade has been added to my account.
[Venue Pro General] murdo119:
I'm glad you got the most "awaited" device. Still waiting for mine for the 24th, hopefully no hiccups.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Refer to this post. I got that mail from Dell to call a # to have it added to TMO. If not, default they will do it in 14 days.
[Venue Pro General] SHAUN231:
i have not recieved that email. and I already have the phone..
[Venue Pro General] pessimistic observer:
depends on what your wearing my winter wear is unaffected by my lightning or its case

my skinny jeans ill probably put it in my back pocket with the case without ill carry it in hand
[Venue Pro General] eyan15:
epc.tmobile.com was what my G2 uses, but it can also take internet2.voicestream.com

I really don't see a speed diff, so I didn't care much
[Venue Pro General] bernaserra:
just got mine...

Now been 2 hours with dell tryna activate it. The guy called tmobile who told him i am good for 3 lines and for some reason his system is not letting him do it.

Should i just run to the tmobile store?
[Venue Pro General] SHAUN231:
do you already have tmobile. just go to a store and get a sim card and then call them back with the sim info and they can do it. or u can do it in the store.
[Venue Pro General] SHAUN231:
weird my dvp doesnt have 512 ram its at 225 and im having lots of freezes
[Venue Pro General] pessimistic observer:
how did you figure out how much ram it has
[Venue Pro General] SHAUN231:
marketplace app called "device info".. idk i had a few laggs i added like 30 live tiles to the homescreen maybe thats it. will continue to test it and see
[Venue Pro General] tiesto51:
I intend to have this dell pro dell came with the QWERTY keyboard.

do you think that with this keyboard I can write with accents?

ps: I'm French
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Finally i received my DVP yesterday. Its so awesome and im in love with it. So far no issues. Strange enough, mine didn't go thru the initial setup screen on first boot. And it alredy had the EM app loaded. I guess mine should be one of the units that got send back for rework (firmware patch).

Here is my 2 cents for the charging cable being small. If you folks happen to have the Logitech Performance MX mouse (may be others as well), that has the longest micro USB cable i have seen. I just swapped it for the DVP and its like a snake now.:D.
[Venue Pro General] bernaserra:
Anyone notice any signal issues?
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
So far haven't seen any. Will use it today in various places and see how it does.
[Venue Pro General] zazierx:
Got my Venue pro yesterday, I Love it, though its my first smart phone. Only gripe is that the power button is kinda tricky to hit sometimes, and that the usb cable is REALLY short, like a little over 2 feet.

Dell ended up sending me a 'dummy' sim card, though i bought it on contract. So i ended up calling TMob and had them set me up with a new account, and they are sending me a card today (paid for next day shipping). I got the student rate discount (10% off monthly fees, waived activation ect) but I didnt get my promised bluetooth headset, nor was my Venue pro shipped next day.
[Venue Pro General] raimeiken:
I just got the phone :D

this is a beauty!

I didn't get the bluetooth headset nor the next day shipping as well but oh well I don't use BT headsets anyway.

I have a dumb question though. I just called dell to activate my phone and the guy told me to leave it turned off for an hour and then turn it back on.

How do I turn this off without taking the battery out? I tried long pressing the button on the top of the phone and the phone just reboots! It turns off and then turns back on..
[Venue Pro General] raimeiken:
ok nevermind, i guess it does that when it's plugged in to a power source.

which is weird...