yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
This is a community.

Do you not understand this?

Do you not get how this forum works?

People contribute and we all build on that.

If part of the community has an issue then it should be addressed.

...Jesus christ...
[EVO 4G Android Development] raiderinks:
Let me save you the trouble. I have sent him a PM here and on github. I have received no response to either.
[EVO 4G Android Development] swaze:
Only problem with that is they don't really care, they just want to seem important and keep up nonsense. In that scenario they probably wouldn't even show up to work.
[EVO 4G Android Development] raiderinks:
I would love to learn. Please teach me, because I want to get it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] GadgetMonger:
Correct. By the mods. Not you. Report your issues to them and call it good.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
It's hilarious how the only thing that has been the response is name calling, redirecting, and accusing of some kind of motive.

99% of the people that post here agree that there is SOME potential of issue.

So what is the harm in putting up a warning?

I think that is the 15th time I have asked that question with no real reasoning given.
[EVO 4G Android Development] swaze:
WTF are you building other than chaos and unneeded drama??? You definately aren't trying to get to the bottom of the issue, you are simply throwing your moral mumbo jumbo around as if you are the xda police squad. You already made your point so why not go sit down.
[EVO 4G Android Development] NYCguy2020:
This is the same mentality that gave us the ban on incandescent bulbs.now those same caring,know-it-all,smarter-than-you are going after our cars,toilets and even the salt we put in our food. all in the name of saving us from ourselves.
[EVO 4G Android Development] runsoverfrogs:
doubtful that you ever will.
[EVO 4G Android Development] swaze:
Guess you dont get it. Obviously noone gives a shyt what you are asking, so maybe if you go away you will get an answer.
[EVO 4G Android Development] raiderinks:
If that is directed at me, I can only tell you that I do care about people not destroying themselves or their property. I certainly care that it not happen a surprise to them. I don't care about seeming important to you or anyone else here. I have been reading at xda since I had a PPC6700 and until now I had posted exactly ONE time. If I honestly cared about status here, I would have started long ago.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
And what are you doing besides redirecting, name calling, flaming, and telling people they should "go kill" themselves because you don't agree with their comments?

See, I can turn it around on you as well.

[In the blue]

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10574834&postcount=4282

Why can't an intelligent answer be given to that by ms? or hell, anyone else!?
[EVO 4G Android Development] jelive:
So you PM'd him prior to your separate posting and gave reasonable time for response?
[EVO 4G Android Development] thenewguy821:
Actually, in a Real community, if 6 people, out of thousands, had an issue with something, with no substantiating proof, they would probably be locked up and told to sleep it off.
[EVO 4G Android Development] runsoverfrogs:
So, from all that I've read, I'm gathering that people seemed butt-hurt over something that really hasn't happened to anybody using this kernel?
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
First off it's 8, I don't know why you chose to change the number.

Secondly, it's coupled with people whom are making a lot of sense commenting on the matter.

This is a sharing community where we are trying to better our experiences not cause damage to phones without warning.

Yep, never happened.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=890448

:rolleyes:
[EVO 4G Android Development] swaze:
Umm roger that. But turning it around on me, when you are the one harassing MS....makes you look like a what??? Ummm yea.
[EVO 4G Android Development] numus:
May i ask how many people actually have had this so called "not full battery charge" on a HTC Kernel? I have a strong feeling the majority of the people on here have only used non HTC kernels.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
I'm harassing ms?

Really?

I've never sent him a pm nor have I contacted him personally.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
everyone,do yourselves a favor and update your ignore list. otherwise this thread is pretty much over due to all the trolling and off topic banter and its not even funny watching this train wreck anymore
[EVO 4G Android Development] WarpSpeed:
Does the forum have the capacity to conduct a poll? It would be very interesting to see how many people have used an SBC kernel and if they have had any evidence of problems with it. It would be nice to separate out AOSP and otherwise, but maybe not absolutely essential. I recognize that such investigation are at risk of significant sampling errors (people providing false information, submitting more than once, etc.), but I think such a poll might be enlightening nonetheless.

I have used an SBC kernel quite a while with no apparent ill effects so far. It happens to be the kernel which provides my phone/ROM with the best performance and best battery life.
[EVO 4G Android Development] swaze:
Nah you're not harassing him, you just keep posting this same crap over and over again crying about not getting an answer from MS, or "hell, anyone".
[EVO 4G Android Development] HondaCop:
"I'll buy that for a dollar" +1

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] thenewguy821:
Oh, It's now 8 out of thousands? I didn't know that... That's an entirely different story... Let's ready the Gallows and grab our Torches...

Really now, I bet you were one of the people who actually believed that the guy who went to McDonalds for every meal and supersized everything got fat because of McDonalds food, NOT his eating habits.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Smidgers:
+ 1, the arguments have gotten so ridiculous its not even fun to read anymore.
[EVO 4G Android Development] HondaCop:
I'm gonna demand all carmakers that they post a disclaimer on their dashboards, warning drivers that going 120 mph can bring on serious bodily injury. I'd hate to see people get injured like that by speeding.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] thenewguy821:
So, you come into his thread, drag his kernel mods through the mud, repeatedly call him out to post a warning "Because YOU say so", don't even have the common decency to address him directly... Am I getting this right so far?

You are right, you aren't harassing him, you are slandering his work....
[EVO 4G Android Development] blackroseMD1:
I'd like to see a poll as well. I've been using an SBC kernel for quite a while now, and have never had my battery get even close to as hot as it used to when I was using a stock HTC kernel, even after leaving the phone charging overnight.

It'd be nice to have some real numbers to base the arguments on, seeing as how this thread has just turned into one giant general argument.
[EVO 4G Android Development] SouthernEvo:
*gets bowl of popcorn and ice cold beer and watches*
[EVO 4G Android Development] mwielgosz:
+1 to that. This thread is insanity
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
He has been contacted by raiderinks about the issue, harassing him would be filling up his pm box when he has already been contacted.

As far as the complaints about me.

I came into this thread making posts about the issue.

I was attacked immediately and called an excess amount of different names.

I defended myself.

People persisted.

I defended myself.

If you have an issue with that then don't start it.

There is absolutely no need to name call, troll, flame, redirect or any variation of those things simply because you don't agree with what is being said.

If you want to discuss the issue that has been posed, then feel free to do so but attacks are ridiculous and anyone that is going to claim that I am the problem here is mistaken.

Oh, I forgot, I was told I should "go kill" myself because my post was not to someone's liking.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Did you not read waht I said about drug trials and experiments? I understand what you're saying, there's the potential. You keep saying it. I get it. But you dont understand that there's potential for everything (that sentence doesnt make sense to me...). You could zip up your pants the wrong way, should there be warning labels for that? You could cut your finger on guitar strings, are there warning labels for that? I havent seen any...there would be warning labels for that if (now stay with me this time) THERE WERE AN EXPERIMENT THAT REPLICATED THE FINDINGS.

I may not know anything about electrical engineering, but I do know something about statistics. You can call people dumb and whatnot, but in this situation, you and the other electrical engineers the dumb one. Y'all are trying your hardest to apply something to hardware you're unfamiliar with. You're not even factoring our phone into the data that has been found...and that is a mistake..a very dumb one. Now, once there is an experiment put up showing what could happen, then I'll be more than happy to put up a warning label..until then, take your speculation somewhere else.

btw..just because people refuse to listen to you (and you dont personally know them) doesnt make them dumb or anything like that. It's a shame that you have to try and reduce my intelligence and the intelligence of others just because we aren't listening. We will listen once you experiment. Until then...well, I think I already covered that.
[EVO 4G Android Development] vide infra:
are these kernels hosted anywhere else? will development continue outside of xda? were the kernels removed because of people *****ing or because the mods said so? i tried reading back but all the arguing is a little too ridiculous.

i've used SBC kernels on my cheapo china extended battery and my htc stock battery and it kicked ass on both/never got warm/hot
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
Where did I call people dumb?

Exactly.

I think you are mixing in the attacks on me with reality.

You admit to not knowing anything about electrical engineering yet you post in the OP that this will not damage your battery.

How can you make that claim with no background in that field?
[EVO 4G Android Development] revelangel:
I love the job you have done. but what is the latest update? and why are you stopping?
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Um, How can the other electrical engineers make a claim about our phone/battery without a proper experiment conducted with our phones? They can make assumptions based on prior knowledge, but assumptions aren't as strong as the experiments themselves.
[EVO 4G Android Development] magicalan:
Which one of the 2 should i install? I use sense roms and cm6 roms in different times.. DOes it matter? :S
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Just wait out for v9. v9 will work for both sense and aosp
[EVO 4G Android Development] GadgetMonger:
Net's got most of them posted in his thread, or did. I've got the SBC HTC #15 if you need it. Been running it for awhile now.... my Evo is running like a champ.
[EVO 4G Android Development] HondaCop:
I'm contacting Myth Busters and putting an end to this. They will do the proper scientific testing needes to definitely get to the bottom of this cluster ****.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] islandreamer:
Actually it is 7. Number 3 and number 8 is the same person just different forums. None of these cases state 1000f fires, explosions, heads burning or houses destroyed. Just 7 dead batteries that may or may not have been bad regardless of the kernel. People need to take a breath. If you have concerns about the process by all means don't use. Just don't be like San Francisco and ban toys in happy meals because you don't like it. Have been using it for a month, left it charging for two days with no overheating or ill effects. Have you ever used the navigation app and left the screen on? Now that is overheating. One more thanks to MS keep up the good work!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] thenewguy821:
Overall, the netarchy/SBC kernels are sense kernels. There were 2 posted for AOSP Roms (CM for example). The netarchy kernels will only work for sense, and in most cases, AOSP kernels will only work with non-sense Roms. The exception to this was the AOSP kernel v8 that was posted. It was designed for AOSP Roms, but works great with Sense Roms as well.

And just in case, realize that flashing these kernels (as well as ANY other kernels SBC or Non-SBC), is done entirely at your own risk. I as well as many other people have been using SBC kernels for quite some time with no problems, but there is always potential for a risk.
[EVO 4G Android Development] casper97ta:
Awesome!! Cant wait to see what you got coming up next
[EVO 4G Android Development] HondaCop:
Awesome, bro! I've been running Zendroid 1.1.0 AVS BFS SBC since. It's release on 2 EVOs with ZERO problems. Keep up the great work guys. If you need a host for it, send me a PM.

PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
No one said that their knowledge is the end all be all of the situation.

All that's been said is a warning should be posted, if the kernels are going to continue to be distributed, until we are sure it won't cause damage [because there have been claims it does]

Why is that so hard?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=831021

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=719763

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=829045

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=733099

Just a rundown of a few kernels and root guides that I took 15 seconds to find that have a warning associated with them [even before SBC was applied]

Why is it so hard to allow people to make an informed decision?
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
i will donate and like it
[EVO 4G Android Development] jelive:
MS

OK, I've been following and using your kernels and this thread since the beginning. Am I missing something here...I do not recall any negative posts, warnings, etc. here until links and warnings started popping up all over the place on other threads, forums, etc. Correct?

BTW...keep up the dev work. :)

Jim
[EVO 4G Android Development] scooter185:
Your analogy to drug trials is actually more of a reason to have warnings in your op. Everyone who enters one is told of possible risks. And have you ever seen an ad for or read the label on the side? There's warnings ever where for possible side effects, even if only 1 in 1000 people experience it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] thenewguy821:
Back to 7, dowse the torches for now.... lol

I agree, I have had no problem with his kernels, and am FULLY aware of what a Li-Po/Li-Ion fire looks like. Working with Remote control cars, I have seen my share of these problems. 49% of them were due to people charging WAY over the rated charge rate for the batteries (charging a battery rated for 3 amps at 6 amps is a sure fire way to cause problems. PUN INTENDED). Another 49% were from people discharging WAY over the batteries rating. (Putting a 300 Amp load on a battery designed for 150-200 Amps).
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
Messages say a lot. I know when I've been insulted. But fine, if you want a warning posted...I'll post one right now.

Drug trials are usually double blinded experiments. If you tell people that they may have a headache before the trial takes place and that person happens to be a hypochondriac they will all of a sudden have a headache and that'll mess up the data.
[EVO 4G Android Development] :
theres a v9!!!!! stoked!
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
That's all that has been asked.

Thank you.

I apologize for the state of your thread although I do not take full responsibility due to the flaming, name calling etc which was absolutely unnecessary and caused the thread to turn into what it did.
[EVO 4G Android Development] :
great can we move on - matt got what he wanted !

i also like the use of the SMALLER case rather then that large headache case youve been using.
[EVO 4G Android Development] smiznith:
ive been using 132 for a while, never had any problems, and i have 4 different batteries that i use. my wife and i both have evo's, mine is rooted, hers is not, so we switch batteries based on which one is on the wall charger. never had problems. cant wait for the new one to drop with the "warnings" in the front...
[EVO 4G Android Development] raiderinks:
Why can't you just accept my offer to work together to prove the safety of the system? It is BAD PRACTICE to put something together that requires multiple disciplines that could harm people through NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN without input from all of the disciplines involved. Furthermore, I am not insulting your intelligence, I am saying it is appears that you don't understand the EE implications of your decisions. I don't have to conduct an experiment to know something is pushing the boundaries of safety. Add all of these factors up and it is obvious why someone would raise their voice.

But again, I would rather work together on it, and I am not sure why you are ignoring my messages.
[EVO 4G Android Development] jpmaniac87:
How is any of this different from using a wall battery charger that charges the battery fully that everyone uses?? I don't see how doing the same thing but while the battery is in the phone can be any different ... now I will say, my Lenovo laptop does cut out at a set percentage to increase battery life, so I see that arguement, but again, the wall chargers fully charge our batteries, what's wrong with coding our phones to do the same?
[EVO 4G Android Development] raiderinks:
cbkham, that's all interesting, but you have cobbled that together from multiple sources with zero attribution. That doesn't exactly constitute proof.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
and again i would ask you the same question. Other than your initial theory in which you clarify you are not a battery expert you haven't done any other due diligence other than continue to speculate that their is potential. As an EE i would have assumed that you would have done your due diligence prior to making an claims that you could not in fact support or justify with real first hand knowledge or facts and is borderline unethical. I understand your position and duty as an EE however the same principles your are touting to uphold i find impossible don't include the same expectation to base all your findings on fact and testing especially if you are going to make aggressive claims.

linky
[EVO 4G Android Development] blackroseMD1:
Dammit MS!! Your SBC kernel slapped my baby turtle and then set it on fire. What the hell man? :mad:

;)
[EVO 4G Android Development] thenewguy821:
Wall chargers are only charging the battery and STOP charging when full. When we charge our phones with the phone on, the phone is using electricity AS it is being charged. If you turn off your phone when you charge, you will get a charge similar to using a wall charger, since in a powered off state, our phones are not using electricity. The assumed purpose behind our chargers cutting off at 100% and losing charge till the levels drop off enough to kick the charger back on, is to prolong battery life (as explained in one of the links posted by one of the engineers, charging to a slightly lower voltage than the 4.2v the battery CAN hold, will prolong the usable life of the battery).
[EVO 4G Android Development] thenewguy821:
Why did I just get an image of watching Pokemon years ago with my son??? :p
[EVO 4G Android Development] DrRyder:
Look, idiot. We've all been over this. IT IS THEIR FAULT IF THE PHONE BLOWS UP ON THEM. THEY ARE MAKING A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO USE THIS KERNEL. THEY HAVE BEEN WARNED OVER AND OVER BY PSEUDO-INTELLECTUALS SUCH AS YOURSELF THAT IT CAN CAUSE DAMAGE AND CHOOSE TO USE IT REGARDLESS. IF IT BLOWS UP, IT IS THEIR FAULT. NO ONE MADE THEM USE THIS KERNEL.

Jesus Christ. Someone shut this guy up, put the kernels back up, or I'm going to start advertising my link to the kernels that I have compiled to everyone that I find. If you want Netarchy's SBC kernel from 4.2.2 and up, PM me or find me on IRC @ irc.freenode.net in the room #PPTH.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
we can discuss in this thread, I see no problem in that. But I'm more of an impulse worker...usually on Windows 7 and rarely get on Ubuntu. I start school next week so working on things is gonna be limited. So we got this thread, pm's, twitter if ya want, gmail (ms79723@gmail.com) and Google Voice (I can send it in a pm). Obviously, gmail would be the best way since it goes to my phone. Google Voice may be second best perhaps because on the phone its more like texting. Twitter is third best during school time and pm's is fourth best (first best when I'm at work haha). And I'm probably going to need 110% of your help in about two weeks.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
As long as there is a warning on the OP, which there is now, you are right- it is their own choice/fault.

Calling names is not necessary nor is bashing him for trying to get to the bottom of this hotly discussed issue.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ms79723:
whoa whoa, relax man take it easy. We need to restore order in these forums and if we cannot do that, well...we will restore it here. From here on out we gotta relax, take it easy, and keep an open mind. I hate doing it myself but dammit it must be done. I mean, I joked on the first page but that was just for giggles, the real warning will be put up when I put up v9. We just gotta make sure we can all keep our cool until then.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Agfadoc:
Looking forward to v9!
[EVO 4G Android Development] cbkham:
The fact is 3-4.2v is the safe range for charging. MS kernel charge to 4.2v. Let me know the unsafe charging range and get back at me with the answer.
[EVO 4G Android Development] NewZJ:
I canhas v9 nao? pwease? /puppy eyes
[EVO 4G Android Development] :
im first inline!!! .. :p

wait - maybe not - my monitor is over heating and blowing out smoke - it happened only when i came in this thread! :eek:
[EVO 4G Android Development] raiderinks:
I didn't mean it like that. I meant explaining why it was safe from the EE level, not the software scheme specifically. It was in no way meant to suggest that MS doesn't know what his kernel is doing to the battery schematically. Rather that he could use some help explaining why the scheme is ok for the battery, if that is the case.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mattykinsx:
At any rate, can someone either give me a link to, or can ms repost, the kernels?

I had someone pm me asking if I can provide them and that's hard to do right now as I am mobile.
[EVO 4G Android Development] DrRyder:
But, again, man. How are you going to know exactly what this does just by what MS tells you? How are you going to know he isn't telling you everything? What if for some reason, MS doesn't REALLY know what he's talking about? You're going to go by that? I'm not saying MS doesn't know what he's talking about. For ****'s sake, he has to know something or this kernel wouldn't work right as he described it at all.

However, that's besides the point. What YOU need to be working on right now is taking a look at the Github and reading the charging scheme in there and learning yourself how it works and then applying your EE knowledge to it. Understanding it fully yourself without depending on the knowledge of someone else who could give wrong or untruthful information (Not saying that MS is lying, but if it turns out this isn't safe, him, like most people may lie to cover their ass like an "Oops, I didn't know." situation). That's really what you need to do, man. That's the best advice anyone can give you on this. Simply wanting MS to tell you how it works and then you sharing your EE knowledge with him that he doesn't know as much about as you do isn't going to get anything done.
[EVO 4G Android Development] smiznith:
hold up, my battery just ate my dunkin hines...... houston, we have a problem.....