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[Nexus S General] deeren:
I have always used htc. and i have always had problems!!! why i continue using it? because of the community. i agree that htc casing is way better than samsung's plastic but boy they do also put the cheapest crap inside. have u compared the camera of the desire/nexus with the sgs? have u compared the sound quality ? and not to mention the screen and touchpad.

i recently purchased the dhd and sold it just after 2 days' of use. It may be of aluminium but it is also superbly bugged with construction flaws. camera was not centered, sim cover was loose and did not fit well... and the worst of it was that i always had my desire besides me and the difference is enormous. i could not believe why htc decided to release this devided with a screen like that...completely washed out colours!!

nexus one was a superb phone at that time ( but not revolutionary!!!! 1st android phone with snapdragon was the Acer liquid guys!) but that too was flawed ppl. remember the power button, the multitouch prob, the dust under the screen...

so please do not come up with '' makes superb phones !!!'' cause it does not!

Gingerbread is coming to the n1 yes but you do know that it is not the full version of it! Google itself said that the gingerbread version released to the n1 will be an adapted one.

Conclusion : i would rather give the nexus s a chance and i would rather give my money on a crapy case with excellent components instead of a superb case with crapy components.
[Nexus S General] player911:
Samsung do make quality hardware and drivers. I remember talking with Da_G when we both owned Samsung Blackjacks and moved to HTC Touch Pro's. He complained how the drivers were half-assed and overall just lacking.

I loved my Blackjack with its rubber coating and it looked mint the day I sold it.

My N1 is also of high quality. My 4 year old loves playing games on it. He drops it, steps on it, throws it... I drop it, and even bathed it in the toilet... but it looks and runs like I just pulled it out of the box.

This is the first phone I have ran without a screen protector in a long time. The NexusOne is simply gorgeous. Overall it just has everything you want/need.

My opinion and personal view is that I just can't justify spending any money on upgrading a Nexus One to a Nexus S. Everything is give and take. Gain something to lose something.

I love the trackball and I use it all the time to select text, scroll webpages, control games, navigate recovery, etc. Plus the notifications are awesome. And I LOOOOOOOVE the matte finish. My TouchPro was a fingerprint magnet and I hated wiping down the whole phone all the time. My gf just got a MyTouch 3G Slide (black) and first thing I noticed when I handed it to her was it had monkey grease all over it. Nasty.

While the updated touchscreen and CPU/GPU are good gains, I don't know if they're worth the money and loss of other key pieces of the N1.
[Nexus S General] Award Tour:
The thing is you aren't pairing a great GPU with a 500 MHz ARMv6, you're pairing it with a 45nm 1 GHz Cortex A8. I see what has happened to computers to be the same as what will happen to smartphones.

At some point there will be diminishing returns and because of the limited use cases of phones, it'll be even more prelevant. 90% of people would not notice a difference between a core2duo and a i7 because most if not all that they do doesnt require it. The tiny percent of people who would need it (video editing, CAD, 3D modeling, etc.) would see no use case in a mobile phone but maybe in a tablet. Even then, there's still a heavy reliance on the GPU. Like I said, a GPU accelerated OS (3.0) would run perfectly on the hummingbird GPU and the CPU would run all apps without a hitch.

As for improved batterylife, I'll believe it when I see it. Take a look at Atom CPUs. Single core Atoms can last for up to 8-9 hours, similar dual cores Atoms? 5-6. All said, I'd want a dual core CPU on a tablet and a super small (28nm-32nm) single core 1 GHz Cortex A9 with a killer GPU for a phone.

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[Nexus S General] irishrally:
Engadget just put the LG Start dual core tegra2 running on 2.2 through Quadrant and it only scored 2100. Galaxy S phones have scored much higher than this which makes me feel good about Google's choice. I just hope the file system issues are gone in the Nexus S.

If the dual core LG star was going on sale next Thursday, I would still go for the Nexus S, without a doubt.

Oh and for the people still crying about Samsung being so slow on updates, you need to remember that google will be handing out all the software updates OTA. The Nexus S is the best hardware available combined with direct and pure support from Google.

I also believe the Nexus S is a much bigger step up from the N1 than the G2 was. I considered getting the g2 but unlike the NS it did not offer much upgrade utility for me (emphasis on me).
[Nexus S General] xManMythLegend:
Alot of it depends on developers taking advantage of it.

Same argument was had on desktop when dual cores arrived and strong GFX cards became the norm. Noone was benefiting because programs had yet to code for it but once they did the benefits were obvious.

The whole "will they notice" is a bit tough. 90% of people dont notice a damn thing unless something goes wrong.

Im pretty sure being able to photo edit , video edit , transcode etc would be a huge "noticeable" thing for a phone to have.

Right now we can only do lousy crops , a few filters for pics , no video editing I know of outside of iPhone4, and streaming to and from is always limited. You still need to upload your content to the desktop in order to do them. Lets eliminate that.

Its the same argument with RAM "who needs 1 gig?"

We do.

I know I have standards and I want progress. I dont like stagnation. Its what killed WinMo. What google did with the N1 is basically say enough of this weak processor kiddy phone crap. They went out and got top of the line hardware and said this is what you should be aiming for. IMO the Nexus S is not doing that.

The more power and hardware you give devs the less limitations you give them and more time they can spend just getting there vision down into quality code.

Id love to be able to video chat with someone while my phone is converting all my 3GP videos into divx all from a handheld device.

Lets get rid of the invisible barriers.
[Nexus S General] barmanham:
I have a choice between Nexus S or the mytouch4g.I curently own a vibrant.Pretty hard choice Id rather wait for something else to come out but I dont have that luxury.Coming from the Vibrant, Nexus S not having a LED is pretty dissapointing or a dedicated camera button.Wish it wasn't plastic either make it more like the captivate.... also im hearing there is no HDMI out? I think ill test run Nexus S and if I dont like ill try out the mt4g.
[Nexus S General] kolyan:
I have dedicated button for camera on Vibrant :) its remaped power button.
[Nexus S General] kolyan:
I wish people like you would someday realize that Quadrant scores dont mean ****......It doesnt take rocket science to know that LG Star is MUCH more powerful that Galaxy S. My Nexus One runs faster then Vibrant with 2500+ Quadrant scores.....
[Nexus S General] :
if youre buying a nexus, youre not most people. the nexus line isnt for consumers, its for devs. the nexus line isnt for people who want to check email, its for people who are in the small percent that will tax their hardware for every cent its worth. putting lower-end hardware limits the extent at which future developers implement their software. how many devs are you gonna see optimizing their applications for dual-core processors? practically none since google has made it seem as if multicore architectures arent priority.

people that go for the i7 KNOW why they are going for the i7. no grandma walks into a store asking for the most powerful processor so she can check send everyone holiday spam.

also...NO ONE is going to buy a tablet for autoCAD. if you see a use case for someone using a tablet for high end work, ill let you know its not gonna happen ( at least no where in the near future)

you keep throwing around the use case as if youve actually went and done research. from our firms requirements gathering interviews, many of the use cases you dismiss are priorities for our customers.

by your same logic, a powerful gpu isnt needed because what we have is good enough and consumers are happy with the hummingbird.

developers will take full advantage of the latest hardware. if you put an i7 into a phone, developers will find a way to make it reach its limit. id software is porting its rage engine to the iphone, potentially having games like doom3 onto our phones. if phones dont upgrade their hardware, we'll be stuck with whats out now
[Nexus S General] Award Tour:
Guess what? Its the reason why I said maybe a tablet. I'm one of those people you are talking about and it's the #1 reason why I'm sticking to netbooks instead of first gen tablets (and maybe even further than that) for a ultra portable option.

I still don't think that you'll see any added benefit. What will you get out of it? A higher quandrant and linpack score? And at what cost? I'm going to ahead and predict that dual cores aren't the battery saviors that everyone (wants to) believe they will be. The Snapdragon had a comparably gimped GPU so there always was a legitimate quest to get it faster, smoother because everything wasn't smooth. The Nexus S though? I see that being completely smooth with 2.3 and even smoother with 3.0. I just can't think of a single legitimate mobile app that would require an insane amount of processing power. So until our phones are projecting holograms the Nexus S will be safe; and like I said, unlike the Nexus One, I don't see the Nexus S being taxed by any app or feature in 2011.

So even if you don't see the performance there will still be better, more powerful phones in 2011 but they'll never be as well supported as the Nexus S. So in my mind, the Nexus S is the phone to have for next year.
[Nexus S General] :
i can tell you havent checked out android apps in a while. I can tell you for a fact that the upcoming apps and games will require the exact kind of power youre talking about. look at the apps that were out in early 2010 and look at the ones now. go ahead and scale how much more complex apps are getting to. PSXDROID is one of the apps that would benefit greatly from next gen processors. if you dont see any apps that will tax the nexus s in the next year, then you are choosing to ignore the facts. I can also list 10s of projects that were cancelled due to insufficient hardware in devices (if it wasnt for NDA)

just because you cant see an app that can tax the nexus s doesnt mean that actual software developers cant
[Nexus S General] kolyan:
I agree with this. but I am just trying to convince myself how is NS better then my current Vibrant......I dont care so much about CPU and mostly GPU, but I do care about LED notifications and SD-Slot. I also dont really see any difference between Froyo and Gingerbread. We already have Gingerbeard theme with looks, animations...etc on Vibrant....what else is there.....I know its been optimized for games, but i dont play games....
[Nexus S General] Award Tour:
Why is it better? Gyroscope - you know Google will do some neat things with it plus it adds better control for gaming. Google support - instant updates are of course a HUGE reason, plus the Vibrant will be lucky to get 2.3 and will certainly not get Honeycomb. What does 2.3 bring? What about improvements that take better advantage of the powerful GPU? Copy and paste (even as crappy as it seems to be)? But to me it's all about Honeycomb.
[Nexus S General] SoberGuy:
It's a funny argument, isn't it? There aren't apps out that will take full use of better technology, so why push for better? Heavy use on a current battery gets what, about 6 hours? You can charge it again, so we don't need better battery tech or better tech for power consumption, and more efficient chip sets. The current status quo is good enough.... ugh.

The S is a decent phone. Again. But there will be better (alwalys will be) very, very soon. Why settle for decent, when superb is around the corner?

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[Nexus S General] kolyan:
Games are for kids. I don't play games. And I like copy paste that comes with froyo vibrant. All gingerbread apps inculing keyboard will be on froyo builts as well. So what's the real advantage of Gingerbread? I guess I will have to test drive nexus s to see if there is anything good.
[Nexus S General] tuan209:
The next phone I buy will have the greatest number of Devs, just like the N1. The greatest thing about the N1 isnt the trackball, LED notification, build quality, etc... It is the fact that there are so many Devs supporting and churning out great ROMs for people like to me try.

Dual core phones sound great and even down right exciting, but for me, it isnt about the speed but it is about the battery life. If dual core phones are able to substantially improve on the battery life, I will sell my N1, NS, or any other phone I would be currently using.
[Nexus S General] wang1404:
YO YO YO man hold on there. LG Star sports a dual-core chip. well the reason, to me, why it only scores 2100 is because Android 2.2 isn't the the right software to kick its power. Lets compare this way. Have both the phones running on 2.3 and run Quadrant score, will the Hummingbird be able to keep up with the tegra 2? I don't think so. But on the other hand, 2100 on 2.2 isn't bad at all. My Nexus One overclocked to 1.152 Ghz scored approximately 1700.You said you've seen the SGS scored much higher then be specific. Let me know what those numbers are. BTW LG Star right now isn't a finished product either.
[Nexus S General] jlevy73:
Samsung Galaxy S, OC to 1.2ghz, running Android 2.1 with no jit compiler = 2547 on Quadrant
[Nexus S General] androidaddict23:
My thoughts exactly I was a hater now I'm not for the simple fact that samsung has greater storage space when comes to internal memory and the humming bird processor so fast and samoled screen I'm sold.
[Nexus S General] stfwayne:
-no sd slot

-no trackball

-no led notification

-no 4G

-no dualcore

-no hd video recording

Show someone that list and they are gonna be like WHATS THE POINT? You want the top of the line phone if you are spending 530+ tax. You want a phone to have features that are available on THIS gen of phones (except dual core)

It's stupid to get the Nexus S when in one month phones will come out with everything mentioned above and more.

The Nexus S is a huge joke and disappointment and google once again dropped the ball on the Nexus branding.
[Nexus S General] typ_ex:
So you thought google dropped the ball the first time? Even though it has more than half of those features you listed?
[Nexus S General] kolyan:
-no Bluetooth 3.0 thats in current Galaxy S phones (not that i care....just saying)

Prior to release, I was 99.9% positive that it will be 4G and have LED notifications......

If Google wanted to use Galaxy S line for its base, it was a good idea. But I just dont get it....why the hell would they downgrade it so much. All Galaxy S have 720p, all Galaxy S have SD-slot, all Galaxy S have Bluetooth 3.0, and Epic 4G has LED notifications....Was it like this: Hey lets take out all those features that people use daily and instead stick NFC chip inside that no one uses.
[Nexus S General] tameracingdriver:
Perhaps GPS will work properly now though. Its got a camera flash. No 720 recording? News to me - be surprised if it doesn't. And if it does, maybe they'll have fixed the horribly distorted audio on the video on the SGS. No 4G? Not a problem for pretty much everyone else on the planet outside the US unfortunately. Dual core? Not even viable yet. Trackball? A well designed OS doesn't need one.

I dunno, it doesn't blow me away, but its not terrible. I wont buy one though - its a samsung. Me and samsung don't seem to get along.
[Nexus S General] Xailter:
This was a big point for me until I realised that my Desire is sitting with its 8GB card half full and is screaming for more internal space so I can install some more apps. I would still love an external SD slot though

Don't think I've ever really used mine (optical trackball though). Never used it on my Hero either though.

I normally have my phone on me/near me. Takes 2 seconds to hit the power button, check what the notification is and then turn the screen back off. I think these notifications are a lovely idea, but not critical to whether you should buy a phone or not, but that's just my opinion.

I'm from the UK where we don't have 4G networks, so no comment on this - it could be a deal breaker for some I'm sure.

Now this really put me off at first. With dual-cores coming soon, I couldn't help but feel Google was a bit cheap about this. After reading through several sites I'm now not so convinced this will be such a big deal, as dual-core seems more geared towards Tablets and certainly Android doesn't yet support these new processors. When graphical intensive games start being chucked out, the Nexus S will have a beefy GPU anyway and I'm sure the Hummingbird will be able to keep up for a while yet.

Be honest, how many people use their phone as their main recording device? It's blurry and horrible, but a nice feature to have. The Nexus One didn't ship with it activated if I remember right - so maybe they'll activate it in the future. It should surely more than be capable of it!

Bottom line for me, is it an upgrade over my HTC Desire? Yes. Better screen size, screen technology, CPU, GPU? Yes. Updates via Google and no custom skin? Yes. Have I ordered one already? Hell yes! :)
[Nexus S General] generalagony:
I plan to buy one just to get away from craptastic digitizer in the N1 alone. It drives me crazy.
[Nexus S General] southeastbeast:
I use my trackball all the time. Remote droid to control laptop hdmi to Sony bravia for hulu and youtube and redzone stream on sundays. It acts as scroll wheel to scroll up and down on webpage. Also holding down and rolling zooms pages in and out to resize for proper viewing size from bed.

Also mobile sites that can't be resized and I don't want to change my uastring to desktop I can select small links or navigate to a small input box. It has its uses but not game breaking. I will miss it.

Hope I can get $400 for my n1, car dock, all boxes and cables, spare oem battery, spare battery charger, and rubbber gelskin case and screen protector. The case was needed for single hand operation. Palm would trip the multitouch out and accidentally press back search or register an odd touch.

Sent from my sexy nexy
[Nexus S General] Worsty:
Just want to seek you guys' opinion.

How does the Droid 2 Global match against the Nexus S in terms of GPU? The processor's a little faster at 1.2 but not too sure if the GPU's any good in comparison to the hummingbird. There hasn't been too many reviews online for the Droid 2 Global (At least not in engadget and gizmodo)

Discounting the fact that one has a qwerty, is the Droid 2 Global worth getting over the Nexus S? I sold my N1 two days ago. Need a new toy soon :D
[Nexus S General] igalan:
I'm also dissapointed with the Nexus S, it gives us some but takes away some, as well. It could have gone with an optical trackball, if the mechanical one looks outdated; it could have gone for a 1,2 GHz processor to make sure that future iterations will have headroom; and removing the notification LED is not what I consider an improvement. OLED is fine for me, but not so much if it comes in the inferior Pentile matrix.

However I'm growing tired of the inaccuracies of the digitizer on the Nexus One, it makes typing a painful experience. Battery life also isn't up to my needs. If the Nexus S improves on those two points while not screwing anything else (GPS, camera, etc.) I may consider it as a replacement for my N1. But I will wait a bit this time, Google has been too conservative but other manufacturers can step ahead very soon now.
[Nexus S General] b1337:
Nevermind :p
[Nexus S General] wondercoolguy:
You know there is a Nexus S forum now go whine about ppl hating it there let me help you.

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=880
[Nexus S General] Matterhorn:
No need to change from Nexus One

My thoughts are that if the Nexus S gets 3.0 and my Nexus One doesn't, that would be a reason to change (not upgrade). I don't see enough changes in the S to call it an upgrade, it's just different. Google needs to generate some buzz about a new phone, so we have the S, pure and simple.

Dual core is the next generation...that's all that needs to be said http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...u-will-want-to-buy-a-dual-core-mobile-device/

This dual core phone is the beginning the future for android. We might even see it in the first quarter of next year. I can wait with my Nexus One until these new phones break out into the market.

Check this one out http://www.engadget.com/lg-star/preview/
[Nexus S General] :
People need to stop spreading this around.

The n1 was not built to spec. the n1 was selected from htc's lineup and tweaked (cosmetics).
[Nexus S General] arkavat:
Would not have said it better
[Nexus S General] draugaz:
Except there was nothing in the HTC lineup which could be used as a prototype. Except HD2 which also shares the same snapdragon chipset, but otherwise it is totally different.

HTC Desire surfaced much later and I would say, it was the tweaked nexus version, not vice versa. With more memory, physical buttons, but without second micro.
[Nexus S General] :
it was built from spec, but not googles. i never said that google ordered it.

i know that google bid for the device, but when google purchased the design, a similar device was not released. the nexus was not a retooled HD2, it was a completely different phone built from scratch by htc.
[Nexus S General] wakeborder556:
Wish it had ATT bands and microSD. But this post has opened my eyes some.
[Nexus S General] :
the ATT version should be out soon if its gonna follow the same pattern as the nexus one
[Nexus S General] pwig:
Hasn't been seen at the FCC yet. If I remember correctly, the AT&T N1 hit the FCC around the middle of January and didn't get released until March 15th.
[Nexus S General] kolyan:
well for weird reason Vibrant has ATT and Tmo 3g bands, so if Nexus uses the same chip, maybe it also has both.
[Nexus S General] SoberGuy:
For the umpteenth time... It does not have both 3G bands. One can do their own research by looking at FCC filings, which are very conveniently linked over at Engadget. The Vibrant indeed has both frequencies on board; the S does not. There is no software hack to enable it, it lacks the hardware for AT&T's 3G network. This is in almost every damn NS thread, because I always point it out. Feel free to actually read stuff...
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
SoberGuy bringin' the hammer down!!! ;)
[myTouch 4G Android Development] itmustbejj:
Maybe consider making each topic header bold or something to combat the "wall of text" effect.
[myTouch 4G Android Development] teamsilence:
this hurts

kindaonebigsentence
[myTouch 4G Android Development] mountainboy:
Excellent, thanks! I just threw it together on 'notepad'...never gonna do that again- no formating sucks lol
[myTouch 4G Android Development] crypysmoker:
1.1.2 is up now.... in case you didnt see lol..

No DSP manager in this one, didnt look to see if it was in 1.1.1. Also, Wish Meltus Audi hack worked for our phones.
[myTouch 4G Android Development] mountainboy:
lol, Yeah, 1.1.2- go figure, just as I got done typing this out I logged in to the forums here to see that. I've never heard of Wish Meltus Audi- I'm gonna do a search.

EDIT: Found it- Meltus' Audio Hack- that would be cool!
[myTouch 4G Android Development] Foo_Blyat:
This is not development and needs to be closed or moved
[myTouch 4G Android Development] mountainboy:
OK, how do I move it, or do I have to request it be moved?

I guess it probably could be closed anyway since IG is now at 1.1.2. Gotta love the speed of development!:D