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[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avusblu:
From T-Mobile's T-Mobile Terms & Conditions. (bold is from T-Mo) :

4. * Cancellation and Returns. Service Cancellation: You can cancel a new line of Service without paying an Early Termination Fee if you cancel WITHIN 14 DAYS of activating a new line of Service (30 days in California; other states may differ – ask your sales representative) (“Cancellation Period”). You remain responsible for all Charges incurred through the date of cancellation. To cancel Service during the Cancellation Period, you may be required to go to the place where you activated Service and return any T-Mobile Device you acquired at the time of activation. If you do not return your T-Mobile Device, we may prevent it from working on any network, and we may elect not to process your Service cancellation or you may be charged the suggested retail price of the T-Mobile Device, (which may be greater than the price you paid), plus any shipping and handling charges.[/b] Device Refunds: For T-Mobile Device and accessory returns and exchanges, see the applicable return policy, which is available at your place of purchase. Some T-Mobile Devices and accessories may not be refunded or exchanged, and you may be required to pay a restocking fee.

This appears to be proof that T-Mo will require the device be returned.

Best Buy's return policy:

Returning Mobile Phones with Plans

When returning a mobile phone or device with a plan, you are responsible for canceling service with the carrier. When you make the return, simply tell the Best Buy sales associate that you also want to cancel your service.

Failure to discontinue service may result in additional carrier charges. All carrier charges incurred are the full responsibility of the customer.

If you have questions about mobile phone or device returns, please call Best Buy Mobile at 1-877-702-2211 (6:00am-midnight CT).

Best Buy is essentially saying that the person responsible for the contract is the one responsible for returning the device, to T-Mobile's satisfaction.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dinan:
Yea did you actually read what the person you're quoting said? He said if you cancel AFTER the "Cancellation period" of 14 (30 in cali) days, you may not be required to return the phone since you're paying the ETF. Obviously if you cancel within 14 (30) days you don't pay an ETF and are obligated to return the phone...
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jpasiczn:
Thank you. This is exactly my point.

Cancel before end of remorse period, i.e. within 14 days, no ETF, must return phone, only pay for service used, maybe activation fee.

Cancel after remorse period, lets say 34 days, to avoid any possible way people are thinking I mean within the "trial period" "remorse period" or whatever else you want to call it. You pay the ETF to TMo, pay for any service used, keep the phone. Thats what would happen if you bought from a TMo store. Nowhere in the Terms does it say you have to return if cancelling after the remorse people. You pay the ETF to make up for fact that you got a subsidized phone. Unless BB has a secondary ETF or explicitly states that you MUST return phone if cancelling service, then you keep it.

Lets extrapolate this out, and say you cancel after 6 months? Can they make you return your device? What about cancelling after 18 months? I dont think so. It makes no difference whether it is 15 days (in my home state of Indiana where we get a 14 day remorse period), 30 days, 60 days, or 729 days (1 day before end of 2 year commitment is up). You pay the ETF as a fee for breaking your contract and to offset the cost of the subsidized phone. Unless you can find somewhere in the BB terms that states you must return the phone AFTER cancelling service and paying an ETF, you don't.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avusblu:
Okay, ya got me there - I did not fully understand jpasiczn's 2nd point. I don't know but I would think that one of the parties would go after a person in that scenario.

I wonder if T-Mo may have a contract clause that says something like "continued use of our services means that the user has consented to contract terms." AT&T did this to me a few years back when they extended my contract by 6 months after I changed my calling plan to save money. What I mean is that after 14 days T-Mo rightfully assumes that you are satisfied with both the device and the plan. You would have to see how they (T-Mo) would deal with the device ownership issue. After 30 days I don't believe that BB would be obligated to take it back, which is what T-Mo may want you to do.

Has anyone posted at Best Buy's forums?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ap3604:
I don't think that you can transfer a Nexus S contract to an Even More Plus plan.

I think you'd have to buy it subsidized, cancel and pay etf after 14/30 days depending on state, then set up even more plus plan after.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ap3604:
So... what is the maximum dollar amount this saves you? Lets break it down...

$200 - Subsidized Price

$35 - Activation Fee

$80 - First months service

$200 - Tmobile ETF

$35 - 2nd Activation Fee (when you set up Even More Plus the 2nd time around)

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$550

vs

$530 - No Contract Price

$35 - Activation fee

$60 - First months service (Even More Plus)

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$625

So, doing the cancellation after 31 days will save you $75 total right?

If you could figure out a way to waive the 2 activation fee's (say AAA or student discount?) then the savings get pushed to $110 total over the no contract price :) ($480 vs $590)

Anything that I am missing from the calculations guys???

Also wondering: If you cancel a T-mobile 2 year contract and the same day go to a T-mobile store to set up an Even More Plus plan, will T-mobile see what you are doing and tell you "NO"?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sstang2006:
Yes you can. I know this because I got my G1 one when it first came out with a 2 years contract. I was able to change my plan to an even more plus plan (still under same 2 year contract, no extension or anything), but they charged me $35 for activation fee for the new plan.

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I think we can pull off this contract trick with bestbuy to safe some $. Why? Because bestbuy does not charge cancellation fee apart from the $200 from tmobile like all other sellers do.

When I got my Nexus One I personally called t-mobile customer service and ask the guy if I could do this same thing (but this time with google/HTC) and save some money, instead of buying it at full price. And the guy told me that in fact I could do that ( as in paying $200 to cancel contract and keep phone), but the bad news came when I read the Google contract and said that they will charge a cancellation fee plus the t-mobile $200 fee.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jpasiczn:
The activation fees may be able to be avoided. And if you already have a TMo line, there shouldnt be a 2nd activation (because honestly, if you dont have TMo and want this phone, you may as well just sign up and get the good deal on the price). First months service could be less, you can sign up for a $40 talk plan 500 minutes, and $10 internet package (200MB). And it would be pro-rated for the time it was active, which in most states is 14 days, so on the 15th day you cancel, paying 1/2 of the first months service
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tommyz2kool:
I think you just got lucky with retentions. If you could switch to EM+ with no penalty, EVERYONE would be doing it.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Das_mobile:
You still have to abide by the regular contract you signed up with, whether or not moving to EM+

Also you can get fee removed if moving from Legacy plan to EM+
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smilez_c:
We'll just have to wait til somebody tries out all these options before we can make assumptions and arguements..
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krumb:
hilarious to think that people believe tmobile, a very large corporation, has not covered their rears with regards to something as simple and basic as the implied scenario.

:rolleyes:

i'll monitor this thread for laughs.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sassyness77:
It is also hilarious to KNOW that google, an even larger company didn't take the means to cover themselves last time with the nexus one in the same scenario. ;)

Stuff like this does, and will happen even though it might not sound believable.

Nexus one $212 after all activation and taxes NO CONTRACT :)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sshtac:
Simply put, that's theft. Whether or not you think it is or not is irrelevant. It was not Google's intention to sell you a Nexus One for $212. Just b/c you found a creative way to do it doesn't make it not theft.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ap3604:
Please get off your high horse sshtac. No one at Xda wants to hear a preach on morality :rolleyes:
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
They have the means, they just basically said "**** it" to the whole seeling phones directly things.

Getting a collection agency to follow up would probably cost them more that the money they were recuperating from the few thieves that took advantage.

Best buy probably has all those things in place, fyi.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] uansari1:
If I recall correctly, you and I had this same argument when the N1 came out and I ended up with a second handset free of charge, but called HTC and sent it back. If I'm not mistaken, you were calling me names for doing the honest thing. Just because you choose to do it and don't see a problem doesn't mean it's not theft. You ought to just man up and admit that it's illegal (it IS fraud), but that it doesn't bother you. You might get more respect that way. Far more than you'll get by simply continuing to insist that it's not wrong. But no... you've painted yourself into a corner and are stuck defending your decision so you can feel better about yourself.

Oh, and if I'm confusing you for someone else I got into it with in the beginning of the year, let me know... but the point of my post remains the same.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ap3604:
People don't come on Xda to be judged on morality. Please keep your religious / political / morality opinions to yourself got it?

Plus don't try to accuse somebody of something from over 8 months ago without an actual quoted post thanks.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sshtac:
Got it? Wow... who died and put you in charge?

Don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm not judging. You do what you want. I'm simply pointing out that it is theft.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fineiwill89:
its not a tmo device. no tmo branding and not even sold online or in stores through tmo
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DKYang:
This is my last time talking about this. What was first an opinion has become an argument/debate. That is fact and you know it. We don't need pages of 3 people discussing that it is theft or not. That's not the point of this thread. Take it to PMs and you 3 and discuss it among each other. Now, if you create a topic discussing if it's theft or not, then go ahead, but that's not the subject of this topic with what the OP is asking.

I don't usually act as a forum police.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Um...have you noticed this IS the topic of the thread?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theimpaler747:
Let's please stop the flaming, or more action will need to be taken. Thank you
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sshtac:
[Q] Best Buy charges more than T-Mobile??

So.. I worked out a 2 year contract thru BestBuy.com (in anticipation that I may have to order tomorrow).

For this plan (2 lines):

Even More for Families 750 + unlimited txt + unlimited web

T-Mobile charges: $139.99

BestBuy.com charges: $159.99

Does sound right to you guys?

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Update:

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So I called Best Buy (877-702-2211) -- they were actually open. The website is wrong. Pricing should be identical to T-Mobile and the in-store literature says the same. So if you're buying online with a contract, double-check the pricing before you hit submit. The guy I spoke to said if it's not fixed order by phone and they will take care of you.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] googcs:
Anyone knows if BB will charge more for the phone if you cancel it and not return the device?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jltyler:
the correct answer

buying the phone and cancelling within buyers remorse would work because our *cough* TMobile's system is setup so that any account cancelled within the 14 days automatically cancels without and ETF. The problem comes in is that TMobile will ask for verification that the equipment is returned by a Best buy rep before they cancel the line.

Oh one last thing, remember that porting a number out does automatically cancel a line ;)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrroey:
Save money buy buying on contract - 400 + 1/2 month prorated charge

200 for nexus. 200 for etf. cancel AFTER 14 days so tmobile will be forced to charge you ETf and just returning the phone and canceling the plan for free is no longer an option. you will be sent a statement with the 14day prorated use and the 200 etf for canceling the plan after 14 day remorse period.

200 for phone + 200 for ETF + $25-30ish for 14 days prorated use = $430. Activation fee is easily waived if you know how :).

thats how much I WOULD have paid if i hadnt figured out a way to get out of the etf fee after my 14 days ;)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] serialtoon:
Has anyone had any luck?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Gugus38:
Hi,

I didn't see any other thread speaking about this info, so here it is ! :)

The only question now is when will we have the first builds ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bezeq:
In 6 month just like with 2.2 x_x ( I guess )
[Galaxy S I9000 General] heman1310:
Are they going to ruin 2.3 just like they did with 2.2?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] warlar12:
No one ruined 2.2 the sgs phones are essentially programed/built differantly. The main reason it hasn't come out officially(besides leaks) is because of th bugs. Personally I would first tackle 2.2 rather then hoping for 2.3 which just was released.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] almaalma74:
I guess, 2.3 update will be esaier for Samsung. At moment, 2.1 - Touchwiz supports such lang what vanilla 2.1 don't (east-eu: sl, cz, hu, ro, etc...)...

I think, Samsung don't want/know translate 2.2 for these langs too, but 2.3 Android is officially supoorts almost all EU langs.

I guess we will get 2.3 before end of January.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] _dsk_:
Just to highlight thats from Samsung India, there is no reason to take it as being an official Samsung reply or something that will happen.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] spasms:
I can't wait for Ginger Beard.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] OrionTC:
Gingerbeard eh! Please do the needful :p.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ilbulgaro89:
i hope to see ginger on SGS before becaming father (specification: I'm not still waiting 4 a baby xD) ahahahahah
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Some of you don't realise that 2.1 and 2.2 is mainly optimise for HTC's hardware. When 2.2 came out, Samsung's engeneer had to rebuit many drivers and reprogram a lot of stuff to get it working.

Now, with Nexus S, Google themselve are working on a native built so porting will most likely be a peace of cake (or cookie :D). Samsung will most likely just put their bloatware in top and woala!! Optimized built!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dreamtheater39:
wow, this sounds good! hope we'd get stock google os with none of samsung's crapware in it :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bezeq:
I hope you right, because how`s my phone works now, just drive me crazy.

My old nokia 5800 even working faster... and needed much less restarts!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sp991:
Nice I don't think it's gonna take a long time as the nexus S will be running 2.3 and it is almost the same hardware as the galaxy S so it should be easier to adapt 2.3 for samsung. 2.2 was developt by google for HTC Nexus one, but 2.3 has been developt for samsung. So keep a little hope. I'm prety sure we'll get some nexus s rom ported to our phone really soon though.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] vnl:
Well Nexus S is in colaboration with Samsung, and its the Galaxy Family anyway... So I think the update will be sooner than we think.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] okorn_:
i hope so!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nailerr:
Nexus S however is stock Android, SGS must have the whole of Touchwiz 3 ported to it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] RambJoe:
Can't they just put TouchWiz in the Samsung app market when it's done?

I know they won't though...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] got-petrol:
is this what the called a ginger beard man you can get them in greggs
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mateocor:
That is unrealistic
[Galaxy S I9000 General] diehard2222:
excellent news
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cantIntoCode:
I don't think we should take Samsung India's word. I'm waiting for an official press release or something similar from Samsung HQ...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] M3tic:
If I'm German, and the Indians decided to get Gingerbread on their SGS. How is that even assuring that I'll recieve the same update in Germany?

U.S. based Samsung Galaxy variants haven't receieved Froyo to date.. Isn't that questionable?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ADeadlySpoon:
Exactly, I'll wait for it to be announced somewhere like @Samsunguk before getting excited I think.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dan@msx:
Id have to agree there if im honest, weve seen how it "trickles" the updates out globally.... id expect March time should see an official release to give a full "Samsung" release of 2.3

saying that im sure some "leaked" versions will crop up sooner...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] RambJoe:
I don't see how it could take them so long to just add TouchWiz etc though.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dan@msx:
this is samsung were talkin about! look at the delay on 2.2 updates!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] red2erni:
There is more than meets the eye. 2.2 on Vibrant, for e.g. will WiFi without TMo's WiKlep minutes. There is IPSlove at work.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kennethoka:
last time, india said there will not be a froyo update for galaxy s but eventually there is. Hopefully this time round it will not be opposite.

When india said there is an update to gingerbread, eventually there is no update.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Auzy:
Do you really think they can just jack an interface on top and call it done? Remember, Android apparently isn't even really designed for 2 SD cards simultaneously. There is a lot of kernel changes, driver changes and other changes which they are required to make. Take a look at Cyanogenmod for instance, and you'll see there are plenty of changes they require to make to allow it to work.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dan@msx:
thats my point if you see my previous post, they cant just change a few letters in coding and roll it out, it takes many developers to complete a task like this bearing in mind the original rom and firmware will be specific to the nexus
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nazrazr:
damn...if it is true for us to get Gingerbread 6 months from now, i think at that moment, there is already Ice-cream Android or what so ever......just fix the battery drain and some lagging then i dont even care anymore about Gingerbread.....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Hinerakatauri1979:
I hope there are 2 version 1 with and 1 without touchwiz. Touchwizz can be downloaded using the samsung app...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] masterotaku:
Touchwiz is far more than just the launcher. We'll likely see 2.3 in some form long before Samsung gets around to it for us anyway...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nazrazr:
hmmm just read this...what is it mean by Samsung skin?????
[Galaxy S I9000 General] MiG123:
means touchwiz....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gemini8026:
Hey all. Im using the stock email client on Docs rom, hardcore Kernel.

Activesync works GREAT, and everything is fast and groovin, BUT, it doesnt render emails with pictures?!? I cant get it to display pictures when using activesync, but when using the stock client with POP3, email comes in fine, with pictures rendered properly.

Ive tried everything, but theres not much in terms of settings? Anyone know?!

Any plz dont say use K9, Ive had NO luck with that program, Im not sure if it supports hotmail activesync!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Seifer1975:
So far of all the email clients I've used, only Touchdown exchange syncs the pictures.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] navanid:
use seven.. or social hub premium.. it can render html and much more features.. visit http://giztech.in/index.php/2010/12...ange-email-in-galaxy-s-or-any-android-mobile/
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yuriyx:
hey guys..got a question, phone is rooted etc. cm6, today for an odd reason i wanted to install a theme..so i did, in recovery etc when i rebooted my phone it goes into a boot loop a cm6 logo type thing..i noticed that the theme was one version older then my updated one..i tried everything, factory resets and still the same thing..is there a way to just uninstall android or whatever delete everything and start all over? pls help
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] najaboy:
You could just restore the nandroid that you should have done prior to attempting to install the theme. Failing that, reinstall the ROM.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] alexvdvliet:
Hi, I'm trying to get access to my digital camera using WIA scripting on windows Mobile 6.5. But for some reason this won't work (maybe wiascr isn't able to run on WM 6.5). Does someone know if there are WIA drivers for windows mobile 6.5 and where i can download them?
[Streak 5 General] windyhawk:
Hi, folks. A friend of mine is owning a Dell Aero. She wants me to help her upgrade the system to the latest version. I've read a lot of reviews regarding how bad this phone is in terms of outdated android system (1.5) and no following updates from AT&T or Dell. I've done a lot of work searching for Dell Aero update/rooting but got nothing. It seems that very few ppl are using this phone.

I'm wondering if the method used to update/root Streak is also applicable to Aero? Has anyone done this or thought about this?

Thank you very much.
[Streak 5 General] bitung:
Hi windyhawk :)

I was trying this metode but not successful. like streak can root using SuperOneClick it's really defferent to Aero because using ADB command line for rooting :( read this article

and using MultiFlasher.v0.1 for Streak in Aero, can not recognize between MultiFlasher.v0.1 with Aero, just waiting for devices screen I have :(

hope we can share any information from this device :)

I was google the reference about this device and posted what I know in this thread below :)

Regards

Alan :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] omerbu1:
hello

ive installed few builds but in every build i have the message pop"mounted read only"

also my ebl stopped working about the same time?

anyone got solutions?

i need help!
[Captivate Themes and Apps] davwman:
Straight up droid santa hat, black background!
[Captivate Themes and Apps] davwman:
Merry Christmas and to all who dont celebrate Merry christmas anyway!

updated version!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] C.Flat:
Twice today I had to go in the wireless settings and manually connect to the bell network because the phone wouldn't do it on it's own. Does anyone know what causes this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rezza maulana:
please help me what radio is the best for my country indonesia. and best for long batterai life. please help me:confused: