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[Gen8 Android Development] kenyu73:
I posted this in the OP, but wanted all you who've subscribed to understand why we've had to RESET.

Why must we RESET

Vending.apk and GoogleServicesFramework.apk use SHARED security preferences in "/data/system/Permissions.xml". The requirements for "shared permissions" are:

1) Same Android UserID (generated when an APK is installed OR specifically by a developer in AndroidManifest.xml)

2) Same APK signature/key

When users try to manually push a new Vending.apk file into the Archos, the com.android.vending crashes (Force Close) because is cannot access permissions SHARED with GoogleServicesFramework because the apk signatures are different between the two files. (hence in the logcat.log you'll see GWRITE permission ERROR).

So we sly techy's take all these gApp files and re-sign them using the SignAPK program with test-keys so they all get the same certificate/signature/key andin turn play nice together. However, the result of using a NON-GOOGLE certificate, the Market will not auto-update (except maybe small updates).

{edit}: The question some may ask is WHY wont this work if we ERASE and REINSTALL gApps... well, I dont have the exact details, but I know that the ORIGINAL certificate/signature/key or whatever is stored somewhere in the CORE android system where it can only be reset or erased with ROOT access. So basically, once you install a Market, the certificate sticks until a reset is done. Don't forget, the Market files aren't designed to be manually installed, they're supposed to be installed by the vendor(Archos, Samsung, HTC, etc).
[Gen8 Android Development] Hexidecimal:
Kenyu, this is great but are you planning to correct Wifi location services in a future update? I'd love to use the new market but would miss location services for things like Beautiful Home Weather or NHL Gamecenter Live. Thanks for your great work!
[Gen8 Android Development] kenyu73:
I'm really unsure why it breaks honestly. It doesn't throw any errors, just doesn't "lock on" to the wifi location...

I'm still playing, but wanted to get the new Market stuff out for those who want it. I'm hoping it can be fixed without a RESET this next time around.
[Gen8 Android Development] frank35:
kenyu, thanks for all your work on this!

if we have v4 working well, why move to v5? location will cease working and we'll have 15 minute trial instead of 24 hour. what are the benefits? maybe i'm missing something.
[Gen8 Android Development] tonyz3:
Any idea on how to fix this- Why still ver 1.82 of mkt with reset etc with kenyuu ver 4 , would like to upgrade to ver 5......:mad:
[Gen8 Android Development] ArchosGamer:
Going by Kenyu's version notes quoted below (posted in the second post in the thread) version 5 includes the page layout of the new Google/Android market, and the signature key(s).

Edit: Kenyu has now revised version 5 (now final) with a wifi location.apk, and now there is no longer any reason not to use version 5. :D
[Gen8 Android Development] Darkseider:
OK the install went without a hitch on a fresh Archos 70 2.0.71 update. The market comes up and everything shows. The problem is that NOTHING downloads. It just goes to starting download and stays there. Doesn't pull anything down at all. I have left it going now for 30 minutes and still no change. Any ideas?
[Gen8 Android Development] ArchosGamer:
Market not downloading files

People who have reported similar problems have found it to be firewall related. Check your router firewall settings and port permissions.

http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=42909&hilit=market+downloading+does+not
[Gen8 Android Development] gearboy666:
I just received my archos 70 in the mail today and performed the installation for market. Do I need to perform the reset though? I am under the impression the reset is for previous versions of the market installer. and can I uninstall the installer apk? all help is appreciated.
[Gen8 Android Development] kenyu73:
Did you try rebooting? This happens sometimes with my regular phone.
[Gen8 Android Development] kenyu73:
No reset is required if the Market was never installed.
[Gen8 Android Development] gearboy666:
Thanks. the one question that wasnt answered, can I remove the gappinstaller program? or do I need that installed? sorry, I just dont like having apps I dont need on my devices. I like keeping only whats necessary.
[Gen8 Android Development] viticio:
I was on gapps v4, so I reset before installing v5. After choosing "install core apps" and rebooting, only the market is installed and gtalk, calendar are nowhere to be found. Then I go to the market, and gmail is not there, neither is youtube. Did anyone have this problem as well? Please help! My Archos 101 was working perfectly before installing v5 and now I can't find v4 to install that and go back to how I had it.
[Gen8 Android Development] Tesla74:
Did you do this fix? You have to apply this for each update.
[Gen8 Android Development] Tesla74:
I don't think there is a way to delete it without uninstalling.. I may be wrong.
[Gen8 Android Development] viticio:
Yes, I did that. I followed the instructions as listed by kenyu73. Actually, I've tried it over 5 times with no luck. I even erased everything and installed Froyo from Archos' site and proceeded to install v5...same result, did not work. What am I doing wrong? What else can I do?
[Gen8 Android Development] MoonPhantasm:
Oops, replied to an old post...
[Gen8 Android Development] gearboy666:
well kenyu73, I want to thank you for making this wonderful back door into the android marketplace. I was thinking I might be able to live with appslib, but it got old quick when I realized how many apps were missing. I cant wait to see future updates.
[Gen8 Android Development] Tesla74:
@viticio

I have attached v4.. not sure why v4 would work and not v5.
[Gen8 Android Development] viticio:
Thanks Tesla74!
[Gen8 Android Development] zillah1985:
I am having the same problem with v5 on my 101. Gtalk, calender, and other apps do not install. Followed instructions to a tee and some apps (launcherpro, copilot) can't be seen in market. Also, wifi location doesn't work which I think was addressed at the beginning of the post.
[Gen8 Android Development] kenyu73:
I've uploaded v5.1 to address the Gtalk and other issues some have posted. I had thought I could re-sign all files and things would be good, but I guess re-signing them removes Googles signature and hence causes other issues... so 5.1 contains the files with the signatures unchanged.

It's really in beta as NetworkLocation is still broken and I cannot figure why.

v4 is super stable and everything works except the Market will not update, so only go to v5.1 if you dont care about wi-fi location.
[Gen8 Android Development] viticio:
Update! So I went back to v4, and after installing "core apps only" the Calendar and GTalk were there. But I can't find or install Maps, YouTube, or GMail from the Market. So I decided to do a "Full reinitialization" and installed v5.1. Again, I get the Calendar and Gtalk installed, but when I go to the Market I can't find Maps, YouTube, or Gmail. Both times I tried the Market fix without any luck. Any other ideas of how I can get the Market to work like before so that I can install the Google Apps from there?
[Gen8 Android Development] kenyu73:
Maps, YouTube, Gmail, etc show up under both versions if you do the Market fix correctly. I've done is a hundred times ;)

Try watching the YouTube video also.
[Gen8 Android Development] Ryno23:
I am having problems downloading apps. I can see them all but when I start the download it just sits their. Anyone know why?

Edit: Nevermind it had something to do with the wireless network.
[Gen8 Android Development] baybay317:
Thanks kenyu. I will follow your instruction when I receive my A70 250gb version tomorrow 12/23. Hopefully, they are all good and easy to do.
[Gen8 Android Development] hamzer11:
v5.1 working

I have 5.1 working on my 101. Had to do the fix twice and reset like three times and it worked. I wont be adding apps until i know all is stable. Just did youtube to make sure it works and it did.:D

Thanks kenyu
[Gen8 Android Development] Robredo:
I experienced wifi connection problem after installing v4. My home network became "not in range" :mad:

Haven't tried v5 but don't think it'll fare any better...

Any idea why the wifi got killed? Mine is 70 IT.
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
I think it would be interesting to see what everyone considers to be a ***** in the current product. Here is mine:

The flash drive in the Epic is a major PITA! The first day I had it my finger slipped off the chip and it popped out. It hit my windshield and immediately dropped into the heater vent. Talked the Sprint guys into giving me a new 16 Gb chip. :D

Last night while I was sitting outside having a cup of coffee I changed my battery. When I put it back in I turned on phone. Guess what? All the apps I just moved onto the SD card (Froyo) were lost because that little chip must have went "bing" into the great unknown. :mad:

The next chip was put in and a small piece of cellophane tape was added. Nurses are really good with using tape to fix anything. ;)
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
What are you even talking about? The Microsd card clicks into place and unless you are intentionally trying to make it fly out of the phone by clicking it in and quickly removing your thumbnail from the card, it will click out like 1 mm.
[Epic 4G General] MaxPatlick:
The battery doesn't have physics defying longevity. I need my battery to last several weeks of full 3D gaming without a charge :mad:
[Epic 4G General] hardrock121:
the stupid power button on the side.. which has no tactical feel..ive to literally look at that to hit it to unlock the screen..also the slider keep sliding everytime i try to hit the power button... i need to find an alternative...
[Epic 4G General] schizopunk:
The only thing I hate about this phone as in hardware wise is the keyboard. I NEVER use it & I never will. The Epic is one of the best Galaxy S phones in the line up, it could just loose the keyboard & I'd be happy.
[Epic 4G General] schizopunk:
I love having it on the side for some reason.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
My #1 ***** is about people saying how annoying things are with it!!! I love my epic its treated me well since day one and im staying away from those leaked froyo roms. im waiting for official one so we have some stable froyo custom roms and so i dont lose my mobile ap on stock i love my epic i have not had any issues with hardware or software.

But my battery life could be better, but no biggie i have a charger at work,car and home so not a problem at all.
[Epic 4G General] NeonMonster:
So far, all the problems posted in here are due to user incompetence.

Seriously? *****ing about losing a SDcard cos it "shot out" of the slot? Its spring loaded, and locks into place. If you cant manage to change a SD card, I'd be scared to see you function on a daily basis

from a epic Galaxy far, far away.
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
The first time was an accident because I was trying to reseat the card because the unit keep saying I was missing a SD card (on launch day) while driving down the road. Last night I just changed a battery in the dark and don't know what happened except that the SD card was gone and it was there before I changed the battery. My backup 8 Gb card is in there now and I just ordered another card from NewEgg. The cellophane tape will prevent this from happening again. Accidents do happen. :rolleyes:

Edit: Most people just charge up their phone went it needs it and might never see this happen. I open that back 2-3 times a day to replace the battery.
[Epic 4G General] skywalkr2:
You just mentioned as a con the main reason why I chose Epic over Evo.
[Epic 4G General] jeffyv2:
The only thing I can say sucks is not having the source for froyo so we can't overclock and other stuff

Sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] mxcoldhit:
All in all I have had very minimal problems, nothing worth mentioning. I love the phone so far.the only thing I'll say about it is that updates needed to come out faster.

Sent from my shoe, I mean....Epic shoe... I mean Samsung Epic!
[Epic 4G General] maxhax2000:
GPS

****y gps, and no froyo. Thnx sprint!!!!!!!!
[Epic 4G General] jeffyv2:
If you want froyo so much there's froyo roms you can flash

Sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
While the insults sent your way are entirely inappropriate and uncalled for, I think it very fair to say that what you describe above is very unwise and quite dangerous.

Your blame on the phone, if the circumstances you describe above are accurate, is woefully misplaced. While driving, you should be driving. It's not at all surprising that things got out of hand, so to speak, while trying to drive a car and mess with the SD card in your Epic.
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
It doesn't wipe my butt after I poo.
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
There's an app for that.

:D
[Epic 4G General] schizopunk:
I originally had an Evo, it was honestly the biggest piece of crap I've ever used. Ill never get an HTC Phone again.
[Epic 4G General] crajee16:
My #1 ***** at the moment is why can't Samsung commit to Gingerbread. LG already has!!!! :mad:

http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-says-optimus-one-line-will-get-gingerbread-now-quit-asking
[Epic 4G General] InfDaMarvel:
I have to say its the battery life then its the fact that it couldve been thinner.
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
You know that... how?
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
Absolutely true about driving, but it popped out when I was parked. I considered that an isolated incident until last night when I lost a 16 Gb memory card while changing the battery in the semi-dark area I was sitting.

My last phone was a Treo 755p and the SD card would pop out every time I dropped my phone. It got dropped a lot while running around in the ER so I thought having the card under the back plate would be great. After looking at the Evo's disk unit I am almost considering the change. That card isn't coming out unless the phone is destroyed. :D
[Epic 4G General] amadeo38:
how about the wcdma thing? my first day with this phone, i left the house with 95% battery, got to work where i have a sprint tower right in the building, and the battery drained in an hour. with my last remaining driplets of power, i checked the battery usage and the Time Without Signal was at 85% and "cell standby" was listed as using 60% of my battery. Found out how to fix so it doesnt search for wcdma constantly, but how is this not a top priority for sprint/samsung to fix? It wasnt affected at all by the 2.2 update. I'm seriously considering taking advantage of the 30 day trial period and getting rid of this bulky, freezing, laggy, phone.
[Epic 4G General] dieselg5:
My #1 ***** is that I should've gotten a G2 and listened to everyone saying how bad Samsung is with updates.
[Epic 4G General] ranchosteve:
For me it would be battery life, also slow usb. I was spoiled by the TP2, it was a champ it lasted all day at least.

But solution is extended battery, gonna be ordering one soon.
[Epic 4G General] digiblur:
Keyboard...a must for any smartphone. SD card popping out...huh? I swap batteries all the time.

My only complaint is how damn slow this phone charges compared to my old TP2. I also miss the nice speakerphone the TP2 had...that thing was awesome!
[Epic 4G General] boogief1:
i say ****ty GPS

it suxs the GPS
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
It's whiney ass community.
[Epic 4G General] jstnclubb:
Have had my phone for a little over a month now, my battery life and charging sucked on stock, now i'm running EE v1.2.09 and Xtreme v1.2.0 kernal, my battery easily lasts 10 hours with moderate use, plus now I can actually use it while it charges and charging fully only takes a couple of hours now, no GPS issues, slider is rock solid, no screen glass issues :) only complaint is the speaker could be louder, hard to hear movies if their is any noise.
[Epic 4G General] Sesquipedalian:
The keyboard skips letters. That's really it.

Minor Things:

I could have went for a little more weight and thickness for a better battery. The hinge is just a little flimsy, and it will scratch the keys if you're not careful. The camera button is a little hard to depress, too. I usually can't help but jar the phone slightly when I'm using it, thus getting a blurry picture.
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
Definitely! ;) The squeaky gear usually gets the grease, right?

I have gotten to the point where I won't even use the camera button for anything else than giving Samsung the three finger salute. :D
[Epic 4G General] SkulloCrasher:
This! THIS A THOUSAND TIMES.
[Epic 4G General] humdrum2009:
# 1 *****

All the hatred i:(n the epic forums.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
I think what happened is the first time you did that you may have damaged the locking mechanism..no reason why it should have shot out like that...after which you lost the sd card because of the damaged locking mechanism...

Anyways..my biggest gripe with the Epic is it only grants 2 wishes when I rub it instead of 3..I mean I need my 3rd wish so I can wish for unlimited wishes!
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
Am i the only one who hates the USB port on the top of the phone instead of the bottom?:confused:
[Epic 4G General] CJNYC:
Only real gripe...

Only real gripe is the loose slider mechanism, causing the screen to wobble.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
The wi-fi antenna. I got 12mbps internet but only get 5 on my phone unless I'm in the same room as my router. GPS is annoying but at least I know tricks to get it to work. Otherwise this phone rocks.
[Epic 4G General] bomix:
I have lost 3/4 of my data because of SD pop out. It was my own fault.. went to change the battery, removed the back cover and I must have knicked the SD, and when it came up my icons(which reference SD) were gone. I made the mistake of taking the SD card out while the phone was ON>. that screwed it up.

The same thing happened again, Tried to record video, "Recording Failed!"

Went into AStro File Manager, DCIM folder was GONE!

but this time, I just rebooted the phone. My data came back. weird!
[Epic 4G General] schizopunk:
I personally love this, when I saw the Nexus S' was on the bottum I was disappointed. Its nice having it on the top so you can charge the phone in your car and sit it down without having it upside down all the time.
[Epic 4G General] bilestoad:
I like it on the top but I wish it would stay in. It seems like even a slight amount of pull on the cable or twist in the phone with respect to the cable causes the cable to pop out of my phone. grrrr.

But a hard volume on/off button would be socially appropriate/easier.

Also when the lights go off I can't see which button is which. I guess I'll learn that eventually.
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
Drives me nuts when I actually need to talk on it while its charging....which is often. Stupid batteries and not being a permanent source of power. :rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] styckx:
lol.. Fanastic post.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
Battery life

sent from my epic 4g with no 4g
[Epic 4G General] goblue30093:
If you get a quality charger or USB cable the plug will stay in better.

I agree that the USB is great on top for the same reasons of not being upside down in the car. :)

SD card shooting out, really? this seems to retarded to comment on.

I haven't had any GPS issues on this phone.

The only complaint I have is that the screen loses responsiveness occasionally. This is annoying but I have figured out how to work around it in most cases. Its just the center area that goes out, so if you move it on the left or right of it, usually it comes back. Also if i pop the keyboard out it will snap back to normal. Its probably an app conflict but I have been unable to figure it out.

I am currently running the Syndicate ROM and Xtreme kernel with Emotional Beast. I love it. Oh i also have an issue with SetCPU locking up the phone, so apparently I cannot underclock :(
[Epic 4G General] pringlet:
battery

Ditto. This my biggest gripe.

My Epic's battery seems to be functioning on the same schedule I am..It takes a sh*t at 2:30PM every day.
[Epic 4G General] globalninja:
The button arrangement is a little annoying, but it is nothing to ***** about lol
[Epic 4G General] narn17:
For me its Battery Life, because the phone seems to be on the charger more often then not.

Also, the charging port(USB) is located at the top!!!!! annoys the hell out of me when i want to talk or just use it without it being dragged down.
[Epic 4G General] chad783:
Just one thing...

So far, my Epic runs great compared to my last phone. (Palm Pre) My only complaint is that the phone is starting to have OREO issues. I had the same issue with the Pre where the top would slightly twist. Any else have the same issue? I bought it at a Best Buy and curious if it is just a bad build or if this is a common issue.

I constantly charge my phone at home and in the office so I don't have any battery issues. (and I am a heavy user) It is a great phone and I am sure that 2.2.1 will make it even better when the official release hits. We all know it is coming so that is also not an issue for me. I just hope it is not too long otherwise I will start getting flashbacks of the Pre and all the broken promises with them.
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
Its true that quiet mouths don't get fed, but also remember that the duck that quacks gets shot. I can think of a few devs have been turned away due to the childishness of some of the members here. I will say that it seems to have subsided somewhat with this Froyo release though.
[Epic 4G General] PokeAsheep:
No froyo (sorry not enough familiarity with android to mess round with things like I used to do on my tp1&tp2...yet)

Also the screw up of where my finger is on occasion, only when plugged in actually.

And for those who complain about power button on side... ask any tp1 user how ANNOYING a power button on top and keyboard are. I often would hit the power button with my finger... I praise the gods for the move to the side!!

Epic Is As Epic Does
[Epic 4G General] tylerdurdin:
I cant believe that nobody here is not complaining about the build, we use epics for our business lines and IMO they feel like they cost 8 dollars to make. If the captivate had the frills of the epic (speed, camera flash etc.) it would be the sweetest phone on the market.
[Epic 4G General] Quicksand Jesus:
My rant was the GPS. But with froyo it's all good. This is hands down the best android phone on the market right now. There is no competition.

The only thing that I would like is if it were about 10x faster. But it is the fastest out there right now.
[Epic 4G General] chad783:
I do see that their are a slew of phones getting updated today with 2.2 and getting pushed out including Samsung Vibrant with promise of Fascinate and Captivate by the end of the year. Seems like the Epic is getting lost in the shuffle.

With the power button on the side, I am glad they did that. Grabbing it with one hand, I can easily turn it on and off in my palm compared to my wife's EVO with the button on the top take more effort. Nice job Samsung.
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
My "Epic" grants my wish every time I rub it. :D
[Epic 4G General] goblue30093:
i think the power button issue is just a matter of getting used to it. At first I thought it was horrible, but now after using it, I dont mind. i also can see how one person suggested a top power button would suck when you slide out the keyboard.

I am also hoping that my gut feeling about Samsung basically skipping Froyo to go to Gingerbread is right. That would be worth the wait in my opinion.
[Epic 4G General] crabjoe:
How about the compass?
[Epic 4G General] wildwill2002:
in car calling

In car calling sucks because whenever you have the headphone jack used, it assumes you also have a microphone and so I can't have call audio over my car speakers. I used to have to unplug my headphone jack every time I got a call. I had to install an app that fixed that but the best it can do is route the audio to the speakerphone and internal microphone, which is alright but it is still a huge oversight form Sammy.