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[A7 General] Canadoc:
One of the builds of the gtablet vega rom was also doing the same. As it was derived from a device that had 3g. I think battery life improvd when they were pulled but it wasn't a sraightforward removal.

1 more reason we need a dev.

Maybe forward that infro to support atelocity so in a future update they can fix that. See it drains more battery runnig a process that keeeps searching for something that isn't there thn if the 3g was simply enabled. I wonder if airplane mode with wifi turned on would make a difference in battery life.
[A7 General] hashbrown:
I use airplane mode w/ wifi enabled but it shuts bluetooth off. I don't know how much of a dent it makes in battery life but processes run faster.
[A7 General] hoagm:
finding APKs to install

If these are noob comments please ignore. But I've found this to be very frustrating and I finally had what I think is a nice breakthrough last night.

So I've been doing some searches to determine the best way to find apps without the market. While doing so, I stumbled across an application called "Super Manager" that allows you to backup APKs from your device. I recently picked up a Droid Incredible to replace my venerable Blackberry (hallelujah!) and tried it out. Unrooted, you can back up any non-system application. It takes the .apk and copies it to your SD card. You can then grab the file, put it on another device and install away.

I've only tried 2 or 3 games so far, but they all worked flawlessly. I'm sure there are applications this won't work well for, but for anyone needing apps before we getting a working market (and has access to other Android devices), I've found this to be a very easy method.

Oh, add DropBox into the mix and you have an auto-sync capability between your devices!
[A7 General] clockcycle:
Are you copying this directly from the NookC? Does the Elocity have the same partitions as the NC?

-CC
[A7 General] clockcycle:
Pocket Legends will not install..

-CC
[A7 General] hashbrown:
Did you try sideloading it? I've got most things installed that way via wireless adb. Some work, some crash and others FC. I'm thinking it has something to do with permission granted. Rom Manager installs but can't fix permissions at the moment. Ah, if we only had clockwork!
[A7 General] Canadoc:
did you try root explorer? it can change permissions.

it costs but is only 2 bucks
[A7 General] akula11:
Sweet, just used it. Trying them out now.
[A7 General] Canadoc:
Until we get market this looks interesting:

http://www.androidpit.com/en/android/market/app-center
[A7 General] BertoJG:
I changed all of the partition information before I posted it.. ;)
[A7 General] Canadoc:
What will busybox allow us to do?
[A7 General] rspray:
Well, I'm in for one. TigerDirect has them for $299, free shipping, no tax (for me). 5% Discover cash back makes this a steal. I'm come to grips with the fact that it seems no manufacturer is going to hit the nail right on the head in terms of design/features for me. This is the closest.
[A7 General] durango99:
I know of busybox from work with linux/dd-wrt/etc. It'll give extra unix/linux tools to be able to work in a unix/linux shell. I assume this will give you the ability to work on the device with scripts and other apps that require it.
[A7 General] nev310:
Please tell me somebody is working on getting ad-hoc working for wifi tether on the Elocity
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
That's supposed to be addressed in eLocity's 12/24 firmware update.

Billy
[A7 General] BertoJG:
Exactly... :)
[A7 General] BertoJG:
I would like to work on Clockworkmod for this device, but I need to be able to use nvflash to pull information from and to the device safely so I don't brick it for the dev and testing and since the USB port on the device is advertised as a "host" port that doesn't leave me much to go on.

If anybody has figured out something different, please let me know!
[A7 General] Canadoc:
No question u are not getting an ips lcd. Only nook color, galaxy tab and ipad have that.

That said reports of those who have seen all 3 suggest this screen viewingangles are better than the archos or the g tablet. In portrait mode the g tablet is unviewable. This is a TFT lcd screen so off axis viewing by too much will cause the effect you describe. If it is any where close to being as bad as th e g tablet mine will go back. The gtab was horrid
[A7 General] hashbrown:
unicough,

Your expectations were a bit too high. This is a powerful tablet at a BUDGET price. I had the g tab and returned it in record time. It sucked to use and look at. Sure the nook and galaxy have great screens. But one is low in the hardware dept. and the other is WAY overpriced.

I enjoy the a7 alot, its not bad at all.

I don't comment on devices named after fruit.
[A7 General] anomaly876:
Thanks a lot Canadoc, found this very helpful. It was exactly along my line of thinking when I decided to purchase the elocity so its good to hear from someone else.
[A7 General] tipstir:
I don't know this A7 I got it on Monday been in the box. I called up Bjs Online CS first they told me I would have to pay for shipping it back. But once I did the OH word UPS will pick it up on them no cost to me. OH with the issue with WiFi and what the CEO of Elocity reported about the misleading Multi-touch that wasn't present on this tablet.

But a few things to compare it with the other 13 tablets I've own this making it 14.

The HD screen is low quality, even my Maylong M150A12 has a better panel.

Power button is way to recess for me to press i on and off. I got the WiFi to be awake easy trick, no need to have the device in Airplane mode. Still it seems quick.

A7

CM3 reports 7,169

Archos

CM3 reported after using Z4Root 5,136 (1GHz)

Next3 8.4"

CM3 1,678

Pandigital 9"

CM3 reported 840

Sylvania 7"

CM3 reported 814

Coby MID7005-4G 7"

CM3 reported 804

Maylong M150A12 7"

CM3 reported 396 (rooted)

Flytouch ePad 7"

CM3 reported 414

Gentouch 78 7"

CM3 reported 600

A7 does have a lot going for it but the price for what I got from BJs is not what I was expecting. This looks like Pandigital 9" and Sylvania 7" with the plastic case. What the heck had happen to the prototype one looking one?

Can't load a lot of my rooting tools. Out 512MB I only got 292MB free CPU seems quick. To me like hold back though. Even with my optimzer tools and dig rooting to get rid of the crap running on it I was able to get over 7,000 mark It doesn't play my music videos so well in HD I see dithering going on where there shouldn't be anything. These are not High Grade A panels nor is the panel not going to have any Wow Factor! I see out all the different version of Angry Birds not will even load.

Rage Thunder II was going to try that one and see how it runs. Well I have a few days with it until UPS comes picks it up. I got a Next3 with RockChip RT2818 Dual Core 800/1GHz on it's way from HSN. I had that as a backup to A7 just in case A7 didn't live up to what was reported.
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

I hope there wasn't a question in there, cause I wasn't able to comprehend any of that!

Sorry!

Billy
[A7 General] Canadoc:
A few questions and comments. What did you mean by the OH word?

Can you go into more detail about the screen? Had viewsonic gtablet I plan to give back because the viewing angles were horrible!!!!

I an not worried about angry birds and wifi issues and there is a firmware update coming in 3 days to fix this. But I have yet to open mine since it is waiting in FLorida for me while I am still in Canada.

THe biggest uses of this for me is some casual gaming but more importantly movie and flash video watching and reading so viewing angles are important and while I don't need a perfect screen a good one owuld be nice. The vides I have seen online it seems good enough but can't really tell about viewing angles.

Also is Bj's going to refund your shipping?

I tohught you didn't open yours so how did you get scores?
[A7 General] mjposner:
WiFi to be awake easy trick

Please explain how you fixed this problem Please.

Michael
[A7 General] tipstir:
View angles on A7 not that great. Direct view is okay. I ran some Movie Trailers like Yoga Bear and you can see the water very well. Tron trailer looks okay not the best but okay I use Movefone and have it set to HQ. Over my WiFi network here with 32 nodes and 3x 3T/3R 2x N300 and 1x N450 (in N300 mode) each one on a different floor level. Coverage is 84% for the lowest to 100% each for the higher level. I won't get into too much with that but the WiFi on the A7 is registering 84% under WiFi Buddy and also showing Excellent Signal.

I also don't like the fact the way the power has to be pushed all the way in to turn back on the unit or to get it out of sleep. There is a slight vibrate feature.

I've ran some more test:

Max CPU is 1GHz (1000MHz) / 216MHz min. RAM have force free to 276 to 296MB. WiFi G showing link speed of 36mbps out of 54mbps. Still not bad but would be nice if it was N300. A Pandigital 9" gets 272mbps out of 300mbps. Trust me don't want that tablet hybrid.

I have Aki-Reader loaded. I'll have to see how the eReader does. I don't use that feature. I do read the news. But can't get my favorite program to install it won't install. I have eGadget and wanted to use the HD feature and see how that works. I have all the Angry birds including Christmas an none will install. I try this kid go cart game is in 3D that had played just find. My Rage of Thunder II won't start.

Again I use the tablet for getting on net, check the network nodes, remote opts things like. Might see what new movie is playing. Might want to jump behind the wheel and drive through 3D VRT. Still it should be able to do all of that. Streaming feature looks smooth.

I'll check the e-REader and let you know.

As for the OH!

Two worst words to use is:

1. I don't like it!

2. I don't want it!

Right there you have to pay for returning the item back to them. Same goes for most retail that charges you 15% restocking fee. as Best Buy is now not doing. Good for them but still never should be in place in the first place. BJ Policy not that great.

OH Factor!

This means you found an issue with the device or the maker as made a recall or reported error that the product doesn't support that feature but claims that were posted prior to the sale. Can give you the right to have the seller (BJ) offer to pickup the device at no cost to you the buyer.

I had issue with Coby where it won't do anything. I had called up CS at HSN and said there was no return shipping label in the box. CS told me that Coby had sent the item to me not them. So HSN issue Coby to have UPS pick up the device from here. But that product was defective but I fixed under Clock-recovery later on. Was too late get out of that deal but still that tablet can only be recharged 300x according to Coby then the battery would need to be replaced. Forget that!
[A7 General] tipstir:
I use WiFi Buddy App, a lot of these tablets all seem to have the same issue in common with sleep. Now I don't know how long term is. But the wakeup button stinks! I also use a program called No Lock to kill that lock screen

A7 WiFi
[A7 General] Canadoc:
Assuming your apps would work properly and wifi sleep issue also gets fixed with the update coming on the 24th, is the rest of the tabs performance worth 300$.
[A7 General] tipstir:
Christmas they're going to have a fix is that written in stone? I doubt it. But let's see. I got this one until next week BJ can't get UPS here until then. So I can use it. My apps works I using enough to dig out the hidden into on this device. Still the answer to your question is no! Save your money.

7" is looks more like 4:3 instead of 16:9 as you can see below comparsion with my $99 bucks Maylong M-150 from MI state. It has my latest Rooted ROM creation called RDX Turbo with GE Market and Apple Style Icons. I get 150MB free on that device. The TS is faster than A7. A7 as that wacko key typing issue I see on many tablets and this is suppose to be CTS and not a RTS. I really couldn't tell the difference. My wife iTouch 4th Gen with 32GB cost more than the A7 and it CTS is 100% better. I am not comparing the two but the CTS should be near the same quality.
[A7 General] Canadoc:
http://elocitynow.com/support_downloads.shtml

they state the 24th.
[A7 General] Canadoc:
Tipstir from the pic u posted the screen looks good on the elocity, despite vewing it through the plastic protector u didn't remove.

Maybe the touch screen responsiveness and clarity would improve if you did? digitaligest did a review on it and while they disliked the current software pinch to zoom, they felt the touchscreen other wise was responsive.
[A7 General] Elementix:
Well, I actually disagree with a lot of people posting negative reviews. The A7 does pretty much everything I need it to do. Of course this won't replace a PC, but for the price I have a nice little tablet with good viewing angles that is more portable than a netbook. Of course there are some problems with it, but not unlike a lot of these devices that are coming out. What this thing really needs is a custom rom! Also, there's been some speculation about multitouch on it..it could still be possible to get it working correctly. If you're comparing this to ipad and galaxy, of course it won't be as good. But like I said, it does everything I need it to do in one nice little fast package. I'll be keeping mine. :-)
[A7 General] Canadoc:
how responsive do u find the touchscreen? forget multitouch but rather swiping typing and touching icons....

How is the screen resolutionfor viewing webpages?
[A7 General] trinikartel:
Yeah i mentioned this a few pages back, if you have wired headphones with an inline mic it sounds like crap. here's a trick...press and hold the answer button and see if there is any difference. in most cases that does correct it (i've had this problem with a galaxy s before) and it 'fixed' the audio with my vmoda vibe duos
[A7 General] nev310:
when i watch a video like a movie trailer sound is ok with my head phones with mic but when i play music it is horrible. i havent tried any other headphones yet.
[A7 General] nev310:
ok...so the fixes we need are:

1. wifi on resume from stand-by. (drivers?) (sometimes mine wont even resume from standby at all)

2. angry birds.

3. tegra 2 drivers.

4. ad-hoc wifi tether

5. bluetooth tether. PAN is not in the os

6. google market. - i have been using sam 4.0

7. other google apps.

anyone think of anything else. i hope the dec 24 fix fixes most like 1-5
[A7 General] tipstir:
To me the glossy screen wasn't that great. With the plastic screen cover on it was slightly better. Touch feels not accurate. Even if they come out with quick drivers to fix things. They should have got this right instead of releasing it quickly as they did.

Archos, Gentouch, Sylvania and Coby did the same. If the price was like $150 to $199 then maybe but this tablet is not worth $299 or higher.

512MB RAM is required today and 800MHz/1GHz CPU just can't get by with less. NAND 4GB, 8GB, 16GB or 32GB going to be a must if you plan on storing more apps on. Depends on what your going to do with this tablet. If you feel it's right for you go get it. I feel it going to be like another Gentouch78 days with poor support and fast rush to get out drivers to fix issues that should have been done prior. It's like what Microsoft does let the customer be the beta tester, we'll fix it later if we can. I got that statement from one the 6 VPs for USA. Crazy how they think.

I got Next3 with Dual Core RockChip RT2818 800MHz/1GHz coming in a few days. I'll give that spin which only cost me $50 bucks to get it here before Christmas. Will the just courious to see how that does. Those that have seem happy with it. CM3 test is over 1600 so what really going on with that 8.4" tablet.

More test to follow on A7..
[A7 General] Canadoc:
I think they wanted it out in time fir the Christmas orders to come in. Otherwise hey would ship fixed but miss out on Christmas sales whis is a big shopping season. Archos, Viewsonic Nook color all have had firmware updates inpast week to fix issues. Difference is this tab is so new there is no dev community yet to help.
[A7 General] nev310:
Untill we get an android market fix try sam 4.0 at slideme . Org

just download the market and it has many usefull apps.
[A7 General] nev310:
ok so wifi buddy sees ad-hoc wifi but will not connect if comes up and says wifi buddy cannot connect to this type of network yet.
[A7 General] jazzbone:
I have been looking for a Christmas gift for my wife to replace her iPod Touch that I gave her last Christmas. She said the screen was too small for her to read. Her primary use was carrying around our family calendar. Also, played a few games and music. Aside from the size, it worked well for her.

I have been waiting for several months for an acceptable tablet. They all have some flaws, some worse than others. The plethora of Chinese tablets have been underpowered with old versions of Android and resistive screens. Yes, they are cheap. But, I am not interested in a device with those flaws. I'd rather spend more for better features. The Galaxy tab was the first decent tablet to come out IMO. But, the $600 pricetag was too high for me. (Forget contracts. She doesn't need internet 24/7 and the long-term costs are sky high) The new Tegra 2 devices seemed to have most of what I wanted. I was excited to read the tremendous development efforts on the G Tablet here at XDA. They were able to scrap the lousy UI and make the device as fast as it should be. I bought one at Sears, but returned it after seeing the bad viewing angles. To me, the G Tablet came very close to being an ideal device, despite it's $400 price tag.

I had high expectations for the A7 as well. The price was great at $300. It boasts great hardware including tegra 2, 512RAM, and capacitive screen.

But, I have been disappointed with several issues. Most of them are not hardware, though. I can't understand why Google isn't supporting tablets with the Android Market. Without Market, my wife's primary need for a mobile calendar is not met. Unless this can be worked out, it's going back.

The other issues, she will probably never notice:

Lack of multitouch- I didn't realize until y'all pointed it out to me.

Many games won't run- annoying to me, but she wouldn't miss them

No backlit menu buttons- this drives me crazy late at night, but my wife won't be using it then

My device has No wifi issues or headphone sound issues:)

It's fast and powerful.

The screen looks pretty good.

The size is exactly what my wife wants. (I might prefer a little larger screen)

BTW, I bought two A7s. The other one is for me. I would like a tablet to replace my paper notebook at work and to have my calendar mobile. All I want for Christmas from Elocity is Google Apps!

PS. To me, the iPad suffers from the locked down OS, heavy weight, and high price. Here's hoping that an Android tablet with the quality of the iPad is here soon at a cheaper price. There are several promising ones, Notion Ink looks the best to me. But, I couldn't pull the trigger when they had so many issues with the ordering system. I won't consider anything less than Tegra 2, as that is the reference platform for Google. Hopefully, the next versions of Android are more optimized for tablets.
[A7 General] Canadoc:
I agree about market. For now there is an app called touch calendar which is free and links to google calendar. I suspect it's only a matter of time before market is lacked on. If you can't wait and her needs for powerful processor for say flash, don't matter, then perhaps the nook color is good option with great screen capacitors and only 250. Will need some mild hacking to get android as it should be on the device, and for now only 2.1 but seems a good dev community.
[A7 General] jazzbone:
Canadoc,

Thanks for the suggestion, but every calendar that I've been able to find, including Touch Calendar, are unable to sync with Google or Outlook calendars. That is what I meant by a "mobile calendar." It is needed to keep track of each person in our family and their activities.

RE: Nook, I don't want to take a step backwards in hardware power and OS, but it does have a beautiful screen. I really want a device that will run Android 2.3 and 2.4, which the A7 will.
[A7 General] Canadoc:
touch calendar synced with google calendar when it tried on the gtablet.

maybe gapps need to be installed.

you should look here and see if this can work for the elcity

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8979871&postcount=1 (older thread)

newer thread- http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=842590 Since we can get into recovery, maybe we can use this updat.zip folder mentioned (removing the apk that aren't relevant to us.
[A7 General] jazzbone:
My big problem, is that I can't get Google apps on the A7. I don't know how to accomplish the tasks outlined in your link for the G tablet. As we were discussing several pages back, I don't know how to transfer those files as described. The warning someone else posted scared me, too.
[A7 General] hoagm:
Off topic, but looking for clarification

Are there multiple versions of the Next3 out there? The specs on the one I found may leave you more disappointed than you seem to be with the A7:

(from Engadget)

"Next3 runs Android 2.1 and has the usual array of specs for its $230 price -- a resistive, 800 x 600-resolution 8.4-inch display, a 600MHz Rockchip processor, WiFi 802.11 b/g, 2GB of onboard storage, and an SD card slot."

No mention of RAM, but I'd be surprised to see more then 256MB based on the rest of the specs.
[A7 General] hoagm:
I believe the dire warning was related to Clockwork, not GApps. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've read, you're not going to brick your device trying to load GApps, just might have to start over from the beginning if things don't work.
[A7 General] Canadoc:
Here is an attached update.zip file.I would think u can put the on a usb key or micro sd. Then with file manager on A7 move the update.zip file from the microsd card to the root of the internal memory.

Then reboot the A7 into recovery mode. (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZypl3lYUdQ

and this:http://elocitya7.wikispaces.com/Recovery)

Then run the apply update.zip then reboot

This is not a complicated procedure but I can't try it out as my tablet is 2000 miles from me. This should not brick your phone and does not involve clockwork mod.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/129025/Elocity/update.zip
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
I think I tried this one already, but I'll try it again in about an hour.

Billy
[A7 General] akula11:
Will this give me Google Market access? How about Google Reader?
[A7 General] hoagm:
If it works it will give you the Market. No guarantee it'll work.

Google Reader is not a key piece of the Gapps installs to get the market running. I haven't looked at this package specifically, it may or may not have it included. If not, once market is working, you can simply download it. It's possible you could sideload it without market, not sure of Reader's dependancies.
[A7 General] jazzbone:
Thanks, Canadoc.

I am still having problems copying files.

I used Root Manager and chose "Remount /system as read/write"

Then, I located the update.zip file on my sd card and selected "copy"

Then, I navigated to the root folder, long press on it, and selected "paste"

I get message "update.zip copy failed"

Not sure what I'm doing wrong...
[A7 General] Canadoc:
I thought you tried the ones form archos

Also did you try to put this in the root folder of your A7 and then run it from recovery?

If you did try and it failed to work, what happened maybe knowing will help.
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
Are you using adb at all? That's the easy way to do it (excluding the complications of setting up adb in the first place).

I just did "adb push ~/a7/update.zip /sdcard" and it's done. All I have to do now is wait for my wife to go to work so that I can get the a7 out of the cabinet and reboot into recovery to try it. We should know if 20 mins.

Billy
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
I can't remember now. I did try one update.zip and it was just unable to flash. Hopefully it was a different one. I should be able to reboot into recovery here shortly.

Billy