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[Fascinate General] illtema:
i would pay 50 bucks
[Fascinate General] Adr0it:
Just scrolling past this topic makes me realize how much I really want a true AOSP experience on this phone.

I would kindly throw down $50 or even $100, and even submit myself and my phone to testing. I would help out with development but the work going into my studies comes first and I can't exactly learn everything about Android in a month. Not to mention that I hate Java.
[Fascinate General] andrewblanejr:
UPDATE

Hey Guys,

I have been doing a little bit of research to figure out how to start this. I am done with my last class and finals ever (here at Columbia University) in just a few days. After that i should be able to get a basic site up and running to host the XPRIZE and collect funds. If the poll above is accurate and the sentiment (and $ means) of the responders is consistent, then i think we can easily raise between $1k and $2k, or maybe even more. I'll try to have something up and running before the end of the year!

Logistically speaking, does anybody know a moderator here that would be willing to share the paypal account with me and provide additional legitimacy and assurance of the nobility, honesty, and transparency of this cause? The biggest initial speed bump to get over is skepticism. After that we can poll donators to form a committee that could finalize rules and requirements. Let me know.

Best,

Andrew Lane

andrew at andrewblanejr dot com
[Fascinate General] tcub:
I'm definitely going to donate! Lets get something set up. I have faith someone can get it working.

Personally I'd like to see JT do it as I'm somewhat of a fanboy of his roms, especially since the DJ05 rom.. :)
[Fascinate General] Lodingi:
I would donate to this project. Git er dun!
[Fascinate General] xgunther:
I'd also throw some money out there just to spite Verizon and/or Samsung for not getting their sh*t together and supporting nothing else but their precious Droids.
[Fascinate General] absens:
I'd pay for that to happen.

From I-500 Powered By XDA
[Fascinate General] CNemo7539:
May be it will be wise to ask developers about estimates at this point.

We figured out that some stuff is extremely difficult, or is difficult enough to make worth waiting for official update. However everything is relative and is pretty much guided by the rule of triangle - time, money and resources. Thought all of them are just other measurement unit for difficulty.

Now, we even do not know precisely what hold them. I mean, there is big difference between 'not doable at all' and 'not worth to do at this moment'. Money may stimulate in one case and do not matter in another one at all. And that what we obviously see in case of SF.

It may be also wise to set more goals, which may be more reachable. How about porting Dalvik to Eclair?

Besides of tweaking compiler settings, memory management, scheduler etc., how much more performance one can squeeze out of kernel alone? Dalvik seems to be next obvious target for performance improvements.

I'm not changing phones too often. My last phone was 6 years old Razr. However I'm pretty pissed of with perspective to stuck with 2.1. It seems like even Google do not care to support completely all its apps on all versions. Eventually developers will move to latest and greatest hardware, because they live on the edge. And then SF is pretty much is in limbo. How soon it will happen? I don't know, but sure it will happen...

Would be nice to get as much as possible while development still in progress for the phone.

Just IMHO. Just trying to be realistic.

P.S. Did anybody heard of ports of Dalvik to Eclair? I cannot google out anything concrete...
[Fascinate General] _RTFM_:
I appreciate your efforts to try and create an incentive for the developers to make something happen. However, I think you are misunderstanding the crux of our dilemma. The reason why don't have Froyo yet and why Gingerbread is equally as unlikely is because we are missing the Radio Interface Layer (RIL) to make things like...the phone...work.

Essentially. Lack of motivation or incentive is not the problem. I'm not entirely sure that throwing money at the problem is a viable solution...unless you want to bribe a Samsung employee to release the RIL code. Then yes...money would work.

That being said, if birdman (and he is the one you want) came in here saying all he needed was more time and some microwavable meals to bang it out. I'd happily contribute.
[Fascinate General] ksizzle9:
I have to say this and I know what I'm taking about as I have been speaking with the main dev for this phone since day 1(JT1134) I don't know bird as well but Jr is more ethnic capable and if he hasn't done it there is likely a very good reason. It cannot be done. Or it's like cracking the moto bootloader, it can be done, but oh so close to impossible. I have this phone too and put it up in a drawer because Sammy has let me Down so much
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
With just 3 developers responding and only one interested, good luck in getting it before we get it officially. I'd still donate if it were accomplished before any other update was released/leaked elsewhere.
[Fascinate General] bendbowden:
Although this is not the response people wanted, it pretty much sums it up. There is only so much one can do without necessary code. It will happen, but not until this is made available. Saying you will donate this or that will not remedy the situation. Only Samsung can do that.

Swiped from my SCH-I500 using XDA App
[Fascinate General] andrewblanejr:
Hey Guys,

I understand that the RADIO is the issue. I also understand that there is a general sense of apathy around development on the Fascinate for this reason. Regarding “developers,” my general impression is that no developer really wants to pay too much attention to this, as it is vaporware until there is money in the fund (my post started in the dev forum, with no attention). So I do believe the tone and reception, among developers, will change once we put our money where our mouth is. With that said, if we need a leak from Samsung…then money can motivate people to more aggressively solicit this leak. Whoever gets the leak could likely lead or be part of a development team who takes the prize. We could also determine that the leak is sufficient cause for awarding the prize either in whole or part, and end the xprize.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, I don’t want to wait for official releases. I bought the phone expecting Froyo in September. I will be onto a new phone by September 2011. I want the full and unbastardized google experience now, and I want it on VERIZON! So I will donate, and I hope others will too.

At the end of the day, as I mention in my first post, we will provide a refund option for those who want to withdraw their support. This should further encourage people to donate without feeling stuck if it takes too long and or they get another phone. While not finalized, and still seeking input, I would assume the best refund mechanism would require advanced notice and allow developers ample warning that the prize fund may be shrinking. 30 days ought to be sufficient. In this scenario, if you request a refund, you could get it after 30 days from your request, provided that the prize is not claimed before then. This also allows us to post expected changes to the fund to provide transparency to anyone working for the prize.

Anyways, nothing is final, but I should be able to get a site up in the next week or so. You guys rock, and you all are the reason XDA is the best mobile forum on the internet! PLEASE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK!

/Andrew
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
i think its pretty ridiculous to say there is a general sense of apathy around development. there are only a few guys who really "develop" for this phone and they put out volumes of releases.

once 2,2 does eventually come out, it will be a big help to them. basing your thoughts on development off what is released here on xda is perhaps where you get these sentiments from.

if you popped into irc from time to time you wouldnt think so.

i think this was/is a nice idea. but donating to developers in general is something that people who use their kernels/roms/hacks should consider anyway :)
[Fascinate General] scriz:
Phones are beginning to be throw-away devices..I'd rather pay $500 for a new phone with gingerbread on it in about 3-4 months after the shelf life for this phone is over with, TBH.

Just sayin'. :cool:
[Fascinate General] Shipyaad:
Radio

I'm new, so please forgive me if this question seems absurd, but...

Why do you need a new radio to make 2.2 or 2.3 work on the Fascinate? Why not just use this one?
[Fascinate General] wasupwithuman:
Ril not radio
[Fascinate General] Shipyaad:
OK, RIL rather than radio. As I understand it, the RIL is the software layer between the AOS and the device-specific hardware. That's not the same thing as the files linked in my previous post? What's the difference?

Also, is this the only thing preventing 2.2 or 2.3 from getting onto the Fascinate?
[Fascinate General] soba49:
I can explain it with my largely untested waffle iron metaphor if you like. It's not specifically that the RIL is broken and needs a tuneup. Android (2.2...then 2.3... then X.X again) itself would need to be hacked in a hare-brained way to have any hope of a timely release.

Essentially you can do a lot of reading on the android sdk site about what a RIL is... You might also look at jt1134's post in that thread "Why it is do difficult".

You might also notice that Samsung has pulled at least two froyo releases off the shelves in that many weeks.

I honestly believe the best path is to wait out Samsung. I'd get into why, but a) I have little or no credibility b) that post doesn't belong in this thread. I would be elated to be wrong on this. Waiting with distrust is a lousy position to be in.

This thread was launched with the good intention of moving forward via an X prize. I am not convinced our informed enough to say it is an unfeasible goal. That discussion may belong elsewhere.

Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, mumble.
[Fascinate General] CNemo7539:
Take a look at "Why this is so difficult" thread. You might get some answers for yourself. In short - Samsung broke software contract set by Google, so we simply cannot use Google sources to build from scratch.
[Fascinate General] Shipyaad:
Good info. Thanks folks. =)
[Fascinate General] tcub:
So sad.. I just saw Droid Incredible got a stable gingerbread release from xda.. makes me want another Motorola or an HTC....
[Fascinate General] orateam:
My thoughts are that as a developer myself (thought not in android) money is secondary. We do it for 2 reasons, for fun when we have the device ourselves and potential money pipelines. If we create an APP, at first it is for self use and then to showcase, we distribute. Lastly if we get good feedback, we continue on it if we see an opportunity for money by staying on it rather than doing something else.

Since most of the rom developers are jumping from one rom to another and not profiting from it, they definitely would not be interested in the money aspect of it. Most of them simply have a desire like us to simply have the latest gadgets at our disposal. It certainly hurt us by Verizon delaying the fascinate so long as to be the last in the lot of Galaxy S. Personally i think thanks to the hotspot and LED light, it's second only the Epic. Add the verizon network and remove a needless keyboard and you have what I think is the best of the galaxy S in the USA. What would work is get the fascinate in the hands of a good proven developer willing to work on it for a free phone.
[Fascinate General] andrewblanejr:
Hey Guys,

First let me say that when i previously mentioned apathy among developers, it was not intended to be a slight. I know there are many great developers working on this platform and creating mods for the Fascinate, but everyone of them that I have spoken to seems to pretty much think that there is no use in trying to hack 2.3 (or even 2.2) onto the Fascinate because of the cdma radio issue, until Samsung releases source. With that said, i still believe that a 2 or 3 thousand dollar prize might change their mind.

another idea has been floated, that was getting facinate test units into their hands. i had previously offered this up as a solution, but it didnt seem to stick.

/Andrew
[Fascinate General] itznfb:
There is a working version (very buggy) of froyo being tested as we speak using the old.

Sent from my Galaxy S
[Fascinate General] andrewblanejr:
ITZNFB,

Can you provide a link or contact info? I had understood similarly that there were some efforts ongoing but that they were either bearing little fruit or were going very slowly. if this is true then i think a little xprize action might speed it up and get them focused on gingerbread :-) but what is your opinion?

/Andrew
[Fascinate General] critofur:
Gorilla Glass is enough to make the Fascinate BETTER than the Nexus S, for me (assuming 2.3 on the Fascinate, that is).

Galaxy S2 looks to seriously kick Nexus S' ass though. I certainly would not even think of an "upgrade" from the Fascinate until I could get either Galaxy S2, or, some other dual-core phone with a HIGHER RESOLUTION (perhaps 4.5", but no bigger than that) screen, and maybe a more powerful GPU?

Would like to see an OS on this phone that has not been pre-crapified by Verizon, that's for sure. 2.3 would be nice, but even "just" 2.2 (working flawlessly) would be a huge improvement from Verizon's stock version of 2.1 (Bing, can't mount as USB flash memory device since DL09 :eek:(WTFWTFWTF?!?)).

Of course, a rooted, de-bloated, USB mounting fixed 2.1 is probably more of an improvement over stock 2.1 than the difference to moving up to 2.2/3.

I would donate at least $10 towards a non-"Alpha" fully working 2.3 :D Maybe even $25...
[Fascinate General] Ibheath:
Had the same issue, downloaded the USB driver from Samsung website and viola! can mount it just like before the update.

samsung.com/us/support/downloads/SCH-I500RKAVZW
[EVO 4G General] Berat:
Guys I'm having an issue with my phone, I'm not able to search at the moment I'm on the road currently on the road. I'm running cm61 with the innexus theme this is a fresh install so everytime I try and install an app my phone keeps restarting anyone have a work around.
[EVO 4G General] sspomonag:
I was told to factory reset that should fix it. maybe root some other timee
[EVO 4G General] parousia15:
How are you trying to install apps? From the market or from titanium backup? You might need to update busybox. That worked for me.
[EVO 4G General] Berat:
Im installing apps from market or even from sd card it does the same thing. How do I go about updating busybox?
[Nexus One General] twflys:
I know I am not the only one... man, when Froyo came out it was OCD.
[Nexus One General] xsnipuhx:
As far as I know, gingerbread isn't even out yet. Just the sdk.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Naw not really ;)

Pretty sure Google wants to have the Nexus S come out first on the 16th and then OTA the update to us on the 17th or so :)
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
Yeah, ask again next Thursday. No reason to believe we'll see it before then.
[Nexus One General] wdfowty:
Unless the famous Football has anything to do with it. If I don't see a leak for the nexus by next wednesday, I'd be surprised :p

I'm pretty wrapped up in senseui 2.0 right now, gingerbread can wait :cool:
[Nexus One General] geemaan:
What's the point of waiting just for the next day to release the ota for n1? There's no real gain in that for google.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
I suspect we'll have to wait longer than 1 day.
[Nexus One General] shotta35:
How about they sell more Nexus S devices because geeks can't wait to get their hands on Gingerbread so they rush out to buy the phone anyways? Surely we all know it's coming to the Nexus S but look at the thread title, people are going nuts for Gingerbread as it is! LOL

Surely they could just do what Apple does and release the update the day before for the older phones but i guess we'll see :)
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
There is a good reason to wait.

Now when the SDK is out all the developers can test their apps against the Gingerbread and fix all the bugs and incompatibilities.

What do you think would happen, if goog realeases their 2.3 update and some popular apps don't work anymore? This forum would literally explode with screams like "fix this immediately or else", "I hate google", "gingerbread killed my cat" and so on. Why google would do that to themselves?
[Nexus One General] skunz35:
Jw but how is doing the dial in update thing different from the check for updates in the settings?
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
There is no check for updates in the settings, that's how.
[Nexus One General] player911:
I'm sure he's doing both just in case one yields different results. Supposedly I've heard that the Settings Updater doesn't always check, but caches the answer for an allotted time. Doing a "checkin" actually goes out and pings google (or wherever) and comes back with a result after a few seconds. The Settings app just flat out tells you no.
[Nexus One General] skunz35:
@Rusty is says there is under the about phone section
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
No there isn't. That section doesn't 'check' for updates, it tells you the result of the last system check for updates, which is done automatically, or forced through the dialer.

Going to that part of the settings does not force a check.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Damn, beat me too it Clarky :cool:
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
The point would be so that the Nexus S can be marketed as the first phone with Gingerbread.
[Nexus One General] ddg00101:
Yeah they will probably either delay it to just after Dec 16th or release it some time next week. I'm betting on just after though.
[Nexus One General] chaval:
True, but its not like they would lose any buyers anyway.

The N1 is only sold as a dev phone. And how many ppl have a N1? compared to SGS or others...

Also, like when they released froyo...many apps didnt work with 2.2 and had to be updated.

There are alot of devs out there with a N1 as a devphone. Giving out 2.3 before the NS release thus giving time for the devs to update their apps before launch would give android better publicity. And happier customers

I dont know if this is an issue with 2.3 though...

(I know the SDK is out)
[Nexus One General] geemaan:
I was referring to 1 day vs 1 week or more. More seems more appropriate, as you all say.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
The only place I'll be "checkin" with is the Development section chef's.
[Galaxy 3 General] addicted2088:
Guide to create GPSSetup2 shortcut on the homescreen. First you'll have to download and install the homescreen and launcher replacement LauncherPro (Attached, link at the bottom). Then, follow these steps.

1. Press the center key on the phone. You'll get two options on the screen: 'LauncherPro' and 'TwLauncher'. Select LauncherPro. Let LauncherPro load.

2. Now again press the center key and this time select TwLauncher.

3. After it loads, press and hold your finger on an empty spot on the screen.

4. In the list that pops out, select Shortcuts.

5. Then select Activities.

6. After a few seconds you'll get a long list of Applications. Scroll down to GPSSetup2. Touch GPSSetup2, it'll expand to show more options. From this expanded list, select the first option i.e GPSSetup2 (com.sec.android.app.GPSSetup2.GpsSetup).

7. That's it. You'll now have a shortcut to GpsSetup2 on the homescreen.

8. After this is done, simply go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications and uninstall Launcher Pro if you don't want to use it.

9. If you do want to use it, press the center key, tick 'Use by default for this action', then press 'LauncherPro' (Much better than the Samsung Launcher and homescreen, except for the less colorful icons).

That's it. No need to enter that long code anymore to enter GPSSetup2 everytime.. :)

Alternate Method:

(By stubborn_d0nkey)
[Galaxy 3 General] nastyba:
I'm using activities in LaunchPro - that's very usefull also for switching APNs (exchange/google) but I haven't found any manual for gpsSetup2 (what each option is good for)
[Galaxy 3 General] stubborn_d0nkey:
Alternate:

1. Download and install any cut (only 31 kb) from the market

2. Long press on a home screenc

3. Choose shortcuts->any cut->activity

4. scroll down to gpssetup2 and click on it

5. Click ok (change the name if you want to)

6. there ya go :)

if you wish you can uninstall (settings->applications->manage applications-> any cut and press unistall) and the shortcut will stay.

but it is only 31kb and it might be useful sometime in the future (:
[Galaxy 3 General] bubbles19666:
GPSSetup as (favorite) contact

Why not just set the USSN Code of GPSSetup as phone contact?

Type the numbers, save them once and "call" them any time you need GPS. So theres no need to install additional apps :)
[Galaxy 3 General] addicted2088:
Yeah, you are right, but there are more steps involved in selecting the saved contact and then calling to run it, unless you have a widget to store a direct link to call the contact on the homescreen. Creating the shortcut, although more complicated at first, is a much faster way later to access it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerozr1:
Hi, hoping someone can help me. My phone seems to have bricked itself. A few weeks ago i had CM6 on my phone then i reverted back to the stock rom from HTC. The phone worked fine for a few weeks then about a week ago i started having random data connection issues, yesterday the phone started resetting by itself, after the third or fourth reset the phone stopped booting at all. all i get now is the white HTC EVO 4G screen or the bootloader when i hold the volume down button.

Here are the version numbers on the bootloader screen.

SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP S-OFF

HBOOT-2.02.0000

MICROP-041f

TOUCH PANEL-ATMEL224_16ab

RADIO-2.15.00.09.01

Oct 14 2010, 19:14:47

i can only get windows to recognize the phone through usb by using the HBOOT USB option and installing the android bootloader interface driver. I don't really know how to use ADB and i'm not even sure if it is seeing the phone. All i want to do it get this back to official firmware.

any and all help is appreciated

thanks.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rugedraw:
Well, it's not bricked if you get into that menu. Can you get into your recovery? If so, try wiping everything and reflashing the rom.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerozr1:
No i can't get into recovery, i even tried reapplying clockwork recovery trough there and all it does is install it, say it's installed ok then i reboot and try to go to recovery mode and it just goes to the white HTC EVO 4G screen
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thetakara:
What version of hboot do you have?

*Nevermind* Apparently I can't read. xD

What root method did you use?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerozr1:
that's if i even installed it right.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerozr1:
i'm not sure if it even is rooted anymore because i had put the official firmware back on, when i had CM6 installed i used clockwork recovery and unrevoked
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] caguirr4:
well if you were able to install a custom rom like cm6 then you are more then likely rooted. you say that you cant get into recovery? you should just try running the ruu.exe and returning to complete stock and then reroot if you want.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerozr1:
the official RUU.exe doesn't see the phone. when i connect hboot in the bootloader, device manager see's the phone as android bootloader interface and it i let the boot normally and let it crash at the evo 4g screen it show's up as "Qualcomm CDMA Technologies MSM" and doesn't have a driver. I am running Windows 7 x64