yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Milestone 2 General] savagecabage:
you must really hate it:) i just donated too but i never even bothered signing into blur when i got the phone, launcher pro covered up that mess straight away. and none of the the comments im reading here would motivate me to use it either lol, is it really that bad? would it be using up much battery even if it was running in the background behind launcher pro?
[Milestone 2 General] TomaszD84:
I just want a clean AOSP experience. And I think all the terrible things Motorola put there are still running in the background, even if you use an alternative launcher. Not to mention the responsiveness, I guess I got spoiled by the HTC Desire, but despite equal or even better hardware, the M2 feels... no, IS stuttery and even unresponsive, quite often.
[Milestone 2 General] :
If there are any milstone users around and would like to test something may you come to irc. The server is freenode.net and room is #teamdefuse . Maybe we can get fission working with a few quick fixes...
[Milestone 2 General] eltrevisor:
Just donated 11.11 bucks.

many greetings

cu

eltrevisor
[Milestone 2 General] modern_messiah:
Donated $10....but just realised the milk I used for my breakfast is sour. Maybe I should have bought some more milk first lol.
[Milestone 2 General] sahilarora911:
@Angdroid: I would be happy to test anything that you people have for Milestone 2. The trouble is, I live in India. So the time difference is HUGE (especially in terms of what you have asked).

Still if you people have anything posted somewhere which can be tested on MS2, would be happy to help out.
[Milestone 2 General] cableza:
Donated 15$. Hope it helps.
[Milestone 2 General] :
Thank you everyone!!!

Would anyone mind testing this

www.teamdefuse.com/rom_test/2.5/M2Test.zip

I am not sure if it will work or not, if it does work then then you may get no cell signal. I do not have device yet to test with.

Thanks everyone!!!
[Milestone 2 General] cableza:
I've never used custom roms before, but after trying that zip my phone wouldn't boot. I just restored a backup afterwards.
[Milestone 2 General] :
Did it just get stuck at the M logo or did it boot loop at the android animation? If it boot loops at android animation then try to wipe caceh and data and then reboot.

Sorry about that :D
[Milestone 2 General] cableza:
It got stuck at the m logo
[Milestone 2 General] :
Thanks, will try something else out and post it up later...
[Milestone 2 General] axes90:
PROGRESS! Theres some progress going on xDD!!
[Milestone 2 General] TNTantoine:
This is interesting ! :D

Good luck ! ;)
[Milestone 2 General] lcsd93:
Thank you guy we all appreciate your help!
[Milestone 2 General] SpaceBeest:
how do you say this: AWESOMEEEEE!!!
[Milestone 2 General] Bigdaddy168:
I've just donated 34$. Angdroid I count on you! :)
[Milestone 2 General] 001356:
But one question 'bout this:

Don't we need OpenRecovery for installing ROMs or did I miss something?

If this is working it would be great. I think then we all have to Donate (:
[Milestone 2 General] _panter:
for first I thought, that motoblur will be good. Well I really fast changed my mind ..... Im counting on you :)
[Milestone 2 General] p.gregy:
Droid2 "open" recovery works on M2.

http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/08/droid-x-recovery.html
[Milestone 2 General] Motofan1996:
Does it works really? So we can flash ina few days or weeks custom roms on our m2? Very interesting now with fishion rom and open recovery..?
[Milestone 2 General] euthanasia:
On M2, I used "D2 bootstrap" successfully to install Fabolous_ApeX_V1_3_1-D2.zip.

But of course GSM services could not be used, and IMEI could not be displayed as well.

After Fabolous_ApeX_V1_3_1-D2.zip is installed, I have installed some other ROMs over.

I have tried to installed Fission for D2 on ApeX but it enters a boot loop.

Could help to test whenever there is some new ROMs for M2. :>
[Milestone 2 General] 3-S-E:
I want to flash my MS2 to a different sbf because I have some trouble with the DACH-sbf. So now it would be the perfect time to do some support-work for Angdroid and Fission! If you have a new ROM-version for us, I would be delighted to try this one! ;)
[Milestone 2 General] cableza:
Did you have to do a wipe/reset of user data after installing fabolous apex?
[Milestone 2 General] euthanasia:
I usually clean up cache and remove user data before installing the zip, and always able to boot up.
[Milestone 2 General] 3-S-E:
I'm waiting and looking forward for fission... I'm so impatient

... how is the donation progress going?
[Milestone 2 General] oTToToTenTanz:
I will donate 15$ as soon as I get some money end of the month. Wish I could donate now - battery life is hell with motoblur :(
[Milestone 2 General] AragornPE:
Very interested indeed. I can't stand Motoblur and all the lag that he causes.
[Milestone 2 General] Otes:
Wile we wait, use another launcher. I recommend the ADW launcher ;)
[Milestone 2 General] barchettanl:
Donated $15 for the good cause :)
[Milestone 2 General] jada92:
I've just donated $7,50. Can't wait to test some roms for the M2. :p
[Milestone 2 General] 3-S-E:
I've just summed up all donations I've read here and we're at 122,61$ so far.
[Milestone 2 General] slayer03:
I've just donate too.

Somebody knows how much was donate?
[Milestone 2 General] chibani:
You miss my 50$ donation. I forgot to mention my amount ^^
[Milestone 2 General] 3-S-E:
^^ no problem... lets add 50$ to the amount of 122,61$ and we'll get... working... working.... calculating.... doing some quantum physics....

... 172,61$
[Milestone 2 General] saleum:
Not incredible funny :-( 50$ are 50$....

Angdroid, please tell me how much do you need at present and perhaps I will donate you the whole amount. But you MUST do the job.
[Milestone 2 General] chibani:
I can't give all my (ahem ...) fortune ^^
[Milestone 2 General] 3-S-E:
50$ are a lot of money! No doubt, no offense! ;) Just made a joke on how hard it is to update the amount I've summed up! :cool: ... or do I misunderstand something right now?
[Milestone 2 General] saleum:
Chivani

It was not a joke. To the moment, you are the one to give the biggest amount and I thought that you should be respected for that.

Now, I repeat, how much do you need, Angdroid to finish a.s.a.p. the M2 version of fussion (hope with android 2.2.1. at least) ?
[Milestone 2 General] saleum:
3-S-E

Yeap, I was able to understand your fine sense of humor ;-)
[Milestone 2 General] 3-S-E:
:eek: I hope Angdroid is going to take the offer!!!!
[Milestone 2 General] saleum:
Angdroid

My offer finishes at 0.00h. Greenwich time. Answer me before if you want to proceed, please.
[Milestone 2 General] Bigdaddy168:
Don't put pressure on him, it's not even clear whether it will work at all...
[Milestone 2 General] oTToToTenTanz:
People, calm down. Angdroid said that he even could not take donations regarding xda etiquette guide and so on. We now have to be patient while we can support him. No one is forced to donate and Angdroid is not asking for donations.

I'm sure there will be some ROMs for the MS2 sooner or late. But to spoil things with the developer is not the way to go, to get a ROM quicker.

What we CAN do for Angdroid:

- change one of our MS2 versus his D2Global. (I would have done that already if my warranty continued in such a case...)

- test ROMs or

- start cooking ROMs on our own.

Of course, "support" in the way we did. I will do so in the near future ;)

Thumbs up for Angdroid!
[Milestone 2 General] saleum:
Sorry, guys, I don't want to put any kind of pressure on anyone. I have seen that the MM2 cost 550$ at Amazon. I'm telling Angdroid, that I will send him the difference between this figure and the total sent up to now if he takes the compromise to begin the job a.s.a.p. He can have the mobile in a couple of days.

If he is interested he shoud answer. If he is not, the affair is finished. It is just a transaction. I don't like the idea of expending 300-400$ and, perhaps, he doesn't like the idea of working on that already. Otherwise, everybody will be happy.

Finally, I must say that my decision on such very big expense has been motivated by the interest of all of you as I have been able to see in all your post. Mine included, for sure.

I will not say anything more. I wanted to help; only that.
[Milestone 2 General] oTToToTenTanz:
I appreciate your effort and your will to spend quite a big amount for the community. I mean, I myself am very interested in a ROM that excludes Motoblur and other crap a.s.a.p. But let us be patient. If I had a secound mobile for daily usage I'd even offer Angdroid a close working relation in testing and coding for a progres.. shame I'm really bound to a working device right now :/
[Milestone 2 General] barchettanl:
Just a few hours ago, Angdroid wrote:

Anyone have Droid Pro or Milestone2 that I can borrow for a couple of days :)

and

Dev worked slowed a bit to being burnt, busy with other stuff & cut up 3 fingers pretty bad. I am kind of recharged for now & have more time

and 6 days ago:

No I am not giving up D2G development...Just trying to find faster way to get M2. Its not the dev d2g

and

Anyone want to trade Droid2 Global for Milestone2? Need M2 for ROM dev...

twitter.com/AngDroid

So I guess he's still serious about it.
[Milestone 2 General] ArchiFleKs:
Hi everyone, i've got a milestone 2 for a couple weeks now. I'd like to start triing to develop some ROMs.

Problem is, I don't even know how to start. I had an HTC legend before but if i understand right,It is much more difficult to develop for milestone 2 than for HTC (eg: no kitchen)

Is there anyway to extract a .sbf or somewhere to start ?

If someone can help me out, i'll appreciate.

Thanks and sorry about my english. =)
[Milestone 2 General] cableza:
sbf can be found here : hxxp://and-developers.com/sbf:milestone2

there is some motorola source here, not sure which core/system parts (if any) are available

hxxps://opensource.motorola.com/sf/frs/do/viewRelease/projects.milestone/frs.milestone_2_source_froyo.milestone_2_2_2_16
[Milestone 2 General] rodi1981:
Kitchen

I will like to start cooking ROMs for MM2, do you or anybody here know if there is any kitchen available to do that or how to start?
[Milestone 2 General] oTToToTenTanz:
Hm, I think there is no kitchen.

This is what Ive bookmarked, not worked with it for now.

http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?1693-GUIDE-How-to-cook-your-own-Rom&p=8254
[Milestone 2 General] 3-S-E:
As far as I can judge the kitchen is for ROMs with Yaffs-fileformated storage, but a Milestone 2 kernel works with ext3.

Nevertheless: If there would be a kitchen that is working for Milestone 2, we would already had a ROM working... :rolleyes:
[Milestone 2 General] rodi1981:
I am tryig

I am trying now for few days get system.img and boot.img and I get system.img but I can't get boot.img if any one know how to get it or can get for me then we can start.

:)
[Milestone 2 General] cableza:
is it possible to get boot.img if the bootloader is locked?
[Milestone 2 General] DeadSix17:
I have a little question, are the Config's for Username's and Emails etc like GMAIL saved in /usr/ .. and if i make a nandbackup and send out the .img files will they have my Email & passwords?

EDIT: nvm theres a way to "Skip" the setup so i get a clear Flash without emails etc.
[Milestone 2 General] kanek06:
How is it going?
[Milestone 2 General] TomaszD84:
Any progress? it's been a while.
[Milestone 2 General] chibani:
Angdroid sent me an email yesterday saying he's not far from being able to buy a M2 (he still miss less than 100$).

He also told me he has found a M2 owner near him, and I'll give a try at cooking a ROM this week-end.

When you say "it's been a while", I want you to notice it's only been 2 weeks since the donation campaign started...

Angdroid is like us, he also have a job and ROMs are an aside for him, a hobby. So please, be patient.
[Milestone 2 General] TomaszD84:
Hey, in the technology world two weeks are like half a year in the real world ;) No, I get what you say, thanks for the update.
[Milestone 2 General] chibani:
I also want a custom ROM like Fission (or another). But I can easily live with the original ROM (mine is a "pure" motoblur ROM, no operator addition ^^)

I check this forum section everyday, looking at a thread called "Here it is ! Fission for M2", but I am patient ;)
[Milestone 2 General] kanek06:
WOW, I am happy. I was thinking this phonewill 'die' lol xD
[Milestone 2 General] chibani:
Here are the news : Angdroid needs 50 more $ to reach the needed amount. (reaaaally close).

Unfortunately, Angdroid could not meet the M2 owner this week-end...
[Milestone 2 General] slayer03:
Good news! I hope the 50$ will go quickly!
[Milestone 2 General] TomaszD84:
Come one guys, chip in, we're close!
[Milestone 2 General] chibani:
I hope it's gonna be quick :)
[Milestone 2 General] 001356:
It's really kinda wired. I bought the MS2 to not crash my Bootloader again like I did on my Galaxy S.

And not to spend so much time on testing ROMs. But now I can't wait for the ROM ;D

Go guys, we have to get this working
[Milestone 2 General] 3-S-E:
Come on Angdroid, we're counting on you, cuz u know: I'm so excited and I just can't hide it, I'm about to flash your ROM and I think I'll like it....
[Milestone 2 General] oTToToTenTanz:
God, you so made me listen to that song :D

I'm about to get some money to donate! Can't wait for a blur-free ROM.
[Milestone 2 General] axes90:
All hail angdroid!!!!
[Milestone 2 General] chibani:
It seems that german people want this ROM ^^
[Milestone 2 General] axes90:
Of course we want!

We want to witness the ultimate power of a blurless Milestone 2!
[Milestone 2 General] cableza:
I think everyone with a milestone 2 that has a clue wants a blurless rom!:p
[Milestone 2 General] gabri741:
Yes we (you) can!

I don't know if everyone wants it, but I do!

Any updates on the progress of AngDroid regarding his Milestone 2 acquisition ? (does he have the necessary funds now?)
[Milestone 2 General] :
I PM'd angdroid and have transferred the balance he requires so fingers crossed we'll have something in our hands in the not too distant future.
[Milestone 2 General] 3-S-E:
*fingerscrossed
[Milestone 2 General] cableza:
angdroid tweeted about being able to obtain a ms2 device now...
[Milestone 2 General] TomaszD84:
Fantastic news!
[Milestone 2 General] slayer03:
:) It's a good news! :)
[Milestone 2 General] chibani:
He sent me a confirmation by email today ;)

Now, we just have to wait :)
[Milestone 2 General] sahilarora911:
while we are waiting, can someone with previous custom ROM installation experience on an Android device guide us (noobs :)) as to the things we should be prepared with.

I mean all the necessary softwares that we should have on our MS2 and all required on our PCs as well. Anything extra we might need?

Seems we have exciting times ahead!!
[Milestone 2 General] DeadSix17:
flash it with recovery more cant we do with motos gay bootloader. but thumbs up atleast a bit custom also i wonder what happends when 2.3 comes out, do you think hes going to make a fission based on 2.3 then.. since i would definately prefer 2.3 than a half rom.. well lets just hope that angdroid has alot of time..
[Milestone 2 General] chibani:
Don't ask for things too complicated.

A blurless 2.2 would be great.

Why do you call it a "half-rom", I don't think it's fair for the efforts Angdroid will put in it.

If it's not enough for you, you're free to build a 2.3, I won't bother with that :D
[Milestone 2 General] patton82:
Only a Motorola employee can do it :D
[Milestone 2 General] DeadSix17:
didnt ask for a ignorant answer, it was a serious question..
[Milestone 2 General] oTToToTenTanz:
As far as I know it is impossible to have a 2.3 ROM yet. This would require a new kernel and since the locked bootloader is not yet cracked, this is impossible. Only if Motorola gives an 2.3 update officialy this can happen...but I start doubting any updating from Motorola :(
[Milestone 2 General] DeadSix17:
Read what i have said... i said when 2.3 is out! when the update arrived.. will the devs be able to make a rom out of the official 2.3 kernel wich came from Motorola's update?
[Milestone 2 General] oTToToTenTanz:
When and if and when and maybe and blah blah blah...not interested in hypoblah
[Milestone 2 General] 3-S-E:
Are you guys ready? :mad:

You guys should be happy, that we all are about to get a blurless-rom!
[Milestone 2 General] TomaszD84:
While people are eager to get 2.3, 2.2 is all we can get until Motorola releases their crappy Blurred 2.3 rom (which may or may not happen, I'm personally optimistic, but it will probably happen long after I sell the phone...), because the bootloader is locked to a specific kernel signed by Motorola that only supports 2.2.
[Milestone 2 General] chibani:
There's a custom rom running 2.3 on the Milestone ... 1

May we hope there'll be one for the M2 ^^
[Milestone 2 General] TomaszD84:
Don't count your chickens before they hatch...
[Gen8 General] lbhocky19:
just wondering why the viewsonic tablet had root and custom roms within like 3 days of release yet the gen 8s still have nothing being done?
[Gen8 General] jm700wx:
I'm not an expert but I think part of the reason is there are not a lot of devices out there yet. I pre-ordered mine and I am just getting it tomorrow. Also, developers have had a hard time rooting the device. Once it is rooted, you should see some roms.
[Gen8 General] blazingwolf:
That's because the VeiwSonic did not use Squashfs in read only mode. This makes it very hard to fully root. There is a temp root right now through the z4mod.
[Gen8 General] chrulri:
As soon as Archos releases the SDE (kind of "root"-firmware) we'll be able to root and test custom roms :)

I started developing DVB-T integration for Gen8, hopefully it'll be done in january :cool:

But for testing I still wait for the dvb-t stick (hauppauge nova-t stick) and my A101 and the SDE ;)
[Gen8 General] pkcat3637:
Sounds cool!!support!!
[Gen8 General] strongergravity:
Not only was the Viewsonic easily rooted, there was other tablets on the planet with VERY similar hardware. One of the first ROMs was ported from a Chinese tablet (in Chinese for a bit). For us, there's nothing like ours to port from, so it is a matter of getting permanent root & then the devs can safely tear into the Source-Code and make some magic.
[Gen8 General] qipengart:
Lack of available Archos tablets didn't help out. Also you can't get these at Best Buy either.
[Gen8 General] Kashban:
Probably doesn't help much but in Germany there are some available at Saturn markets (Essen for example). If it's so hard to get hold of them in the States, maybe you'll better off by importing one from here.
[G2 and Desire Z General] FrenicX:
*edit* Feel free to delete this thread admins. I found this has already been addressed in the announcment thread.

Original post:

"So I noticed that G2 and Desire Z forums have been merged due to the fact that they are practically identical other that the radio stuff... but why are a bunch of Desire HD threads popping up here? That phone isn't really too similar.. are these mistakes or has the HD forum been merged aswell?"
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
Its a stupid idea to merge these, really. When people start bricking phones left and right... I'm not helping anyone. And usually, its people like me and the other senior members who have to deal with this crap and not the mods... Just because a few foolish people (with good intentions) who have no idea what's going on want this, it doesn't mean its a good idea. One major complaint was that the desire z isn't as active... well, tough ****! How is that OUR problem?! Just because our brothers on the other side of the pond are having trouble attracting development/theming isn't our problem. They need to jump in head first and do their own work if its lacking... I don't care about that really but this is just gonna create total confusion and many $500 paperweights, lol!
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
How is it going to create paperweights ? The main source of semi-bricking that I've seen is running Visionary, something that I try and steer people away from.

The same custom ROMs can be used on both phones.

Engineering hboot doesn't need to be applied any more, and shouldn't be in any guides aimed at newcomers.

I think you're misunderstanding the lack of difference between the two phones. You still mention a "framework" difference but I don't know what you mean unless you mean the Sense framework (which is purely a ROM issue and nothing to do with hardware).

Thanks for your kind welcoming words towards DZ owners though :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
Radios/hboots will still be flashed and can cause a bricked device. With frameworks... a lot of soft bricks which newbies will think its a real brick but whatever... just complicates things, that's all. Take for example, htc magic forums... complete mess because of the 32a/32b boards being in the same dev section. Brick city over there, lol! This is what we need... same subforum section with Desire z/G2/same general/same q&a/same accessories/different dev. sec/same theme. Perfect example is the htc wizard subforum, seperate board sections. Believe it or not the G2 and Desire Z have extremely similiar boards but they are different. Enough to cause problems. Wait and see... and I understand that you feel personally attacked because you were a big advocate of the merge but its nothing personal. I've been around here long enough to see a bad idea executed and the problems that arise. And no I have nothing against my desire z brothers... I had just heard someone meantion about development issues in your previous dev forum and that was their only reason for wanting a merge. That kind of pissed my off for some reason and just sounds lazy. I'm not judging everyone from the desire z subforum for that one, lone comment but it just added fuel to the fire, so to speak... I think the merge isn't bad but we need two seperate dev sections, imo. That's all...
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
It's ok, I don't feel personally attacked :)

I'd like to know what you feel is the exact difference in the boards between the two phones though ?

The only hardware difference that I'm aware of is different physical keyboard layouts (a non-issue, since that's the same issue on most phones, dealt with by software). And different radio bands set in hardware (again, the same issues on most phones, not a reason to split forums, we're not talking about GSM vs CDMA here).

How come the same custom ROMs can be used on both phones if there's such a difference ?

The guides to rooting/S-OFF now don't include instructions to flash eng hboots. And the Wiki makes it pretty clear that it's unnecessary, and lists the different ones for the two different phones if people really want to try it. I doubt many people will be looking at the Wiki when they root/S-OFF though.

We actually don't have any evidence that flashing radios from one to the other is a problem. I posted up in another thread that we really need this to be verified. I actually suspect it will work fine (e.g. the version numbering is in the same sequence across both phones).
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
You might be correct... I'm just going from past experiences. We can confirm with some version numbers. But I guess time will tell. I do hope things work out. Its just nice to have less headaches though... with s off things can get dangerous, complete bricks. I've bricked a few phones as a former cell tech and its never fun. I even bricked my wife's phone back in the day, lol! But... that's how things go sometimes, you live and learn. I just don't want to see new folks bricking phones with complete s off... I know its gonna happen but we don't have enough proof yet that things are completely safe as far different bootloaders go. I think we should have been 100% certain that cross flashing radios is safe.. etc before the merge. Maybe I missed something and everything has been tested before hand?