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[A7 General] jazzbone:
Recieved mine today.

My first android device:D

I'm looking forward to learning how this thing works.

So far, it is really fast.

Seems like a very generic tablet.

Doesn't have Android Market; Getjar instead.

No google apps.

No calendar.

No notepad.

Basic email and browser (w/flash 10.1 installed) included.

Not sure where to start...

I did install Swype and it works great! That is one of the main reasons I bought a tablet!

BTW, bought mine from BJS.com for $299 plus tax and shipping. No membership required. No surcharge for nonmembers.

Ordered yesterday, got it today!
[A7 General] kitzuki:
Hey jazz how are the viewing angles on the device any way you can host some photos?
[A7 General] Itaintrite:
Mine will be here within hours, but I have one very important question for those already with the device. How many simultaneous points can the touchscreen register? Their official spec-sheet says it's a 1-point with pinch-zoom gesture :/
[A7 General] Canadoc:
I have soo many questions:

Lets start with the easy:

1)screen- how are viewing angles. I currently have the vewsonic gtablet and plan on returning it due to lousy viewing angles. Also how is the 800x480 resolution whihc some were suggesting might be too low (galaxy tab and nook color are 1024x600)

2)Battery life. My viewsonic is claimed to have 8-10 hours battery life. How is this smaller device

3)Form factor. How does it feel in the hand. Well balanced? easy to type with? Can it be used one handed?

4)Connectivity. Is absence of wireless N an issue? Can an external keyboard (either bluetooth or usb) work with this?

5)Hackability- I am not sure if you plan to or have tried but being on xda I think you would; can u root it with z4root or androot? Would imagine this is doable

6)UI The viewsonic stock UI layer over android is terrible and if not for other Roms it would have gone back immediately. nOw with work done here the Gtablet is fast with its tegra processor. How is the stock UI layer? is the overall experience quick? Have you run quadrant score?

I know tonnes of questions,b ut you are among the first to own this tab!!!!!
[A7 General] jazzbone:
I'm a newbie, so please forgive my ignorance, so here goes:

1. multitouch works. ie. pinch to zoom. It seems to go too far when I do it, but I think that is because I hold it too long. The response is extremely fast.

2. Battery. I've been using it for 1.5 hours so far this morning, very heavy use playing Ashphalt, Madden, web browsing, etc. Full brightness. Battery is currently at 60%.

3. I love the form factor. The case has a very slight rubberized feel. No fingerprints, except on the screen, which is glass.

4. Downloads seem very fast. I don't have an N router, so can't comment on that. I just ran Speedtest. Download speed was 12.33Mbps vs. 13.23Mbps on my laptop.

5. I just plugged a USB keyboard in and it works.

6. No hacking yet. I can't even figure out how to start and stop applications! Android is really foreign to me.

7. This device needs a calendar! I assume Google apps are the best choice? I haven't figured out how to install it.

8. No Android Marketplace either. Getjar instead.

9. Viewing angles: I don't have anything other than my laptop to compare to, so it's not fair to assess. I will take some photos of an image and upload if possible.
[A7 General] jazzbone:
photos of viewing angles

Here are some photos of viewing angles.

Compared to my HP 17" 1920x1200 laptop.

Photos from face on and 30 degrees above and below.

As you can see, the screen darkens most when viewed from below. In use, I haven't had any problems at all.

ps. sorry, I just noticed that the view from above is very blurry. It still shows the brightness though. Let me know if you want more.

Also, are we going to get a dedicated forum for this device?
[A7 General] jazzbone:
I have gotta say, I love swype! I'm using it right now and it is really fast!

I have been seeing mention of CM regarding installing android market and gapps. Is that clockwork mod or cyanogen? Is there a specific version for every device?

Also,i don't understand the file system on these devices.
[A7 General] trinikartel:
It'll be interesting to see how angry birds run on a non multitouch device.....fingers crossed for that fix

I tried the youtube account trick and it worked! I have my account set up on it and receiving emails in gmail. when i run the market i get a server error now...sucks but still progress being made. so far i've tried Market 2.2.7 so i'll try to get my hands on a couple others and see the results

Edit: 2.2.6 not working either. I'm wondering if it's a related apk causing the problem. Ideas?

Edit 2: Picasa albums loads fine. Talk crashes on open.
[A7 General] BertoJG:
There is a modified talk version in the nc forum that you could try.
[A7 General] jazzbone:
multitouch

Again, I know absolutely nothing about this stuff, but have been poking around my Elocity anyway...

Using Quick System Info Pro, under "Features", it lists:

android.hardware.touchscreen.multitouch fl=0x0}

From a google search, I found a post on xda regarding the Nook where enabled multitouch. This led me to android developers, where they define the features. This feature is defined as:

"The device's touch screen supports multitouch sufficient for basic two-finger gesture detection."

Also, there is another feature:

"android.hardware.touchscreen.multitouch.distinct" :The device's touch screen is capable of tracking two or more fingers fully independently.

The discussion is at:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=9738650#post9738650

Android Developers:

http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/pm/PackageManager.html#FEATURE_TOUCHSCREEN_MULTITOUCH

If this is not helpful, pardon the interruption:o
[A7 General] hashbrown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=xfKWwPgvFH8

I up loaded this earlier to demo thea ccelerator and its pinch/multi touch function in the browser.
[A7 General] Elementix:
Wow, now that is very interesting...I really hope this is just a software issue. It's really one of the last things missing to make this thing awesome. Well, that and market access. :-)
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
What version of YouTube did you do this "trick" on? I tried it on 2.1.6 and I just get "there was an error authenticating". And that's just when I click on ratings or comments or "my channel"... it doesn't even have an option to "login".

Billy
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
Source here:

http://goo.gl/RjT4i

Billy
[A7 General] clockcycle:
Most of the Samsung Galaxy family suffer lag and easily fixed with lagfix...

-CC
[A7 General] Elementix:
Yea, I saw it in the downloads section of the site.
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
You don't give yourself enough credit! Nice work!

Billy
[A7 General] Elementix:
Here's the guts! :-D

Also, I do

NOT

recommend doing this. It was a big pain to get the case to snap back together again. Maybe some of the components will look familar to someone or can be identified. Yes, I decided to keep the tablet before I opened it...although, there didn't seem to be any "Warranty Void if Removed" stickers anywhere...

I don't want to resize the pictures and lose quality just to post them here, so here's a link to the album on Imageshack:

http://bit.ly/egAFDk
[A7 General] trinikartel:
I used 2.0.26 (just checked it with titanium) also keep in mind that i did this after i did the gtablet market hack. Also it just opens up the youtube app like normal. then i tap on my account and it asks me to sign in. I used my full gmail address and it stored it as a sync account on the system itself which allowed gmail to pick it up and start working as well as picasa albums appearing in my gallery
[A7 General] Canadoc:
new review up on youtube.

I think with the fixes out next week and what this community will do once it gets in more hands this tab can be a winner!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CvY8jzyCWI
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
ADW.Launcher looks really nice on this thing!

Billy
[A7 General] Itaintrite:
It's official. eLocity Amazon CSR has confirmed the touchscreen is NOT multi-touch. They're planning on bringing multi-touch to the device in 2011.

Now it's definitely going back.
[A7 General] Canadoc:
Amazon? I would wait till your return period is over. It is possible hardware is but not in software or firmware. I would not expect certain for Amazon to havethat knowledge.

Earlier inthis thread someone found code to suggest nultitouch (a 2 point anyways x does)
[A7 General] Itaintrite:
eLocity Amazon CSR. Not Amazon Rep.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1CP4F...e=UTF8&ASIN=B003Z6QH5S&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=
[A7 General] feeble11:
I might have missed this somewhere, but does anyone know if the UI will ouput via the HDMI cable? If not, would this be a software or a hardware limitation?
[A7 General] Canadoc:
That is disappointing. Part of me still thinks otherwise. Earlier are pics of internals. It is a compel naz10. It is possible the hardware can do it but the Elocity firmware and ui don't support it like the original g1.

I wonder if some xda folk can dig deeper into the software or find compel firmware to try.

Either way I don't really game much so not a deal breaker. Would rather have the good screen and tegra than poor screen and the archos hardware
[A7 General] khiemahhh:
just curious, how sure are we that he's an actual representative from eLocity? the post with the "value pack" seems iffy to me.
[A7 General] Canadoc:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/19/samsung-nabs-tegra-2-for-galaxy-tab-2-google-makes-tegra-the-ho/

In that link they talk about Tegra being reference for honeycomb. If you look closely to the Nvidia guy he is holding a white Compal naz10= Elocity A7.
[A7 General] Itaintrite:
I guess you can always try emailing Amazon directly.

@Canada Doc: the question is when/where was the picture taken?
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
I don't believe he knows what he's talking about. It's probably the same guy that said that they "advise against rooting the A7".

Billy
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
It does. What you see on the screen, you see on the TV.

Billy
[A7 General] Canadoc:
Did you get market enabled.

What use you make of recovery so far?
[A7 General] Canadoc:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=827209

This link shows how to get google apps and market on the g tablet

Wonder if it could be applied to elocity?
[A7 General] feeble11:
That is great news, thanks. Was hoping to use this at some point to replace my PC. Keyboard, mouse (hopefully what I read about the non-existent pointer will be fixed) and HDMI out of the UI means that I can use a VNC or RDP to access a virtualized PC on my server. I suppose the VNC or RDP would be at 800 x 480 on my external LCD though right?
[A7 General] Elementix:
http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/10/porting-clockwork-recovery-to-new.html

Is anyone familiar with android enough to do this? or is anyone willing to ship their A7 to Koush (as he's known in IRC)? It'd be a big step to get Clockwork Recovery on it, and that may help get some custom roms on it asap.
[A7 General] nev310:
The elocity is the compal NAZ-10. I was trying to load pandora and it said not available for this device and it said my device was the naz-10
[A7 General] Elementix:
You must not have a good version of Pandora. Mine installed just fine.

Edit: Try this one.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1456378/com.pandora.android-1.apk
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
I'll check it out tomorrow. I'd love to get Clockwork Recovery on there.

Billy
[A7 General] hashbrown:
Market crashes for me. But I haven't tried a newer version yet. I get to sign in and then it closes. Will try the g tab way.

The recovery is very basic, install update.zip,wipe data/reset,wipe cache. No nandroid. But there is a built-in feature too so its not a problem. Backup/Restore can be found in Settings.

Most apps run fine with the exception of:

ROM manager (can't wipe dalvik cache,only thing I've tried)

Bump (stays "connecting" )

Xda developers ( FC after sign in, otherwise you can browse forums)

Angry Birds wont even install(streamTV has a fix)

I think it may be limiting what it can download. Some things large in size like apps will start but not complete. Moving large files and apps from dropbox, email, Bluetooth, and microsd work fine.

So far this tablet is a lot of fun. Ebook reader apps (I.e. nook and kindle) plus built in widget work great. Web page loading is fast, flash is really good. Not having a UI overlay from the vendor makes the experience so much better ( i.e. T&T, sense or touchwiz).

This tablet needs some light polishing up otherwise absolutely worth the purchase.
[A7 General] akula11:
After hours of researching the Aigo N700 & other Chinese versions

Could this work for us to get Google Market??

//forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=42067&start=0

John

Waiting for the UPS driver as we speak, then hack, hack, hack until I drop.
[A7 General] hashbrown:
I've downloaded the gapps file for archos. Haven't tried it yet. There is also an update.zip file for the new market in HTC Aria/Themes and Apps forum. I'm waiting for a nandroid option before I try it though.
[A7 General] jazzbone:
I tried gapps4archos yesterday. The app installed.

Then, when you click on the app, it has a button that says "Install Google applications"

When pressed, it says "install failed"

I have gapps-mdpi-20101020-signed copied to my sd card. Maybe it is in the wrong folder?

Not sure what to do next.:confused:
[A7 General] Canadoc:
on the gtab forum they have an update.zip and a recovery folder that if u put in root folder then reboot it installs clockworkmod. If our devices are rooted don't see why it wouldn't work
[A7 General] jazzbone:
Canadoc,

I have the file, but don't know how to put it in the root folder...
[A7 General] Canadoc:
there is a thread on gtabs forum where there are bunch of files and explanations sing root manager where to put them in the system folder to enable the google apps

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=827209
[A7 General] jazzbone:
I have Root Manager.

I chose to Remount System as Read/write

When i tried to copy a file from the Gtab folder to system/etc/permissions folder, it said, copy failed.

Edit:

I think I misunderstood instructions. Is this done via a PC connected to the tablet?

I was trying to move the files while on the tablet.

How do you connect the tablet and PC?
[A7 General] BertoJG:
I do not recommend doing this until it has been verified. Each version of Clockworkmod is different based on device and the mountpoints, etc.
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
I tried them both. Neither worked

Billy
[A7 General] Canadoc:
On the Gtablet when u plug usb cable into computer and device it makes a connection and the device shows up on my desktop of computer.

I fthat doesn't work on the elocity I would try to take the extracted contents from that link. Copy onto micro sd card or to a usb key and plug into the elocity.

Then using a root file manager than can change permissions copy the files into the right area and then switch back from r/w to r/o.

then reboot tablet I would think
[A7 General] Canadoc:
oh ok didn't know that. Thought it was a universal type tool. Also figured since this was a tegra device then it would like work also.
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
I'd like to retract this (above)... or at least point out that, by not running that command, you're leaving your rooted device wide open to hackers. Sure, they'd need to know your IP, and they'd need the Android SDK, but still... the full shell is WIDE open, so be aware!

Billy
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
goo-inside.me/google-apps/ just posted a Tegra version of GApps... I wonder if that's the one we'll need to use.

Billy
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
x2!

Billy

10 Char
[A7 General] nisshi:
The settings will be cleared after you reboot. don't worry.
[A7 General] nisshi:
try accessing the eLocity using adb over wifi.

And run the following command. You should be able to access the files.

Including adb push to /system, or rm files from /system

adb remount

Good luck...
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
They weren't for me. That's what prompted me to post that. I turned it on, after being off all night and went to connect via adb, but it was already connected.

Billy

EDIT: I tried it again and they did clear this time

Billy
[A7 General] Elementix:
Are there any devs in here or even working on this device? I'd really like to get the A7 running this recovery..
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
I'm not a developer, but I'm working on that today. I'm just in the middle of an attempt at getting gmail/market working.

Billy
[A7 General] BertoJG:
Billy, what partition is the kernel and ramdisk on?
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
Shoot. I think I'm screwed. I'm stuck at the "touch the android to continue" screen at boot. It won't let me do anything but try to dial an emergency number, configure/connect WiFi, and change languages. I need to delete /system/app/SetupWizard.apk or place the next apk it's looking for in there. I can't start the SSH server and I can't start the adb server.

Any ideas? What can I do through an update.zip? Anything?

Billy
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
Anybody know where the recent apps list is stored? If I can somehow populate that list, I might be able to launch the ssh server.

Billy
[A7 General] BertoJG:
Dunno where it is stored. When you reboot it starts up with the setup deal?
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
Yeah, as if it's the first boot after a wipe.

Billy
[A7 General] Canadoc:
If you can't get past the touch the android, the trick is to touch each corner of the setup screen starting top left and going clockwise it should bypass the screen. Then u can setup your wifi and u should be able to create your google account.
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
You're my f**king hero! Best Canadian evar!

Thanks man!

Billy
[A7 General] Canadoc:
Glad I could help!

Already been through these trial and tribulations with the g tablet, which is what makes me hopeful that we should be able to get a much better experience with some tweaking by some real devs!

Am curious to know what you did to get to that point and if the google apps are now working for you?
[A7 General] hashbrown:
I used the built-in OI Files Manager and found the apps list in home/system/app.

Do you need the original update.zip file?
[A7 General] BertoJG:
Installing Busybox for ADB Shell tools

These instructions came from the Nook Color wiki with a few changes for our devices....

You will need to follow the instructions given by Billy in this post to get adb access.

Download BusyBox for arm61 from here: Binary from busybox.net.

We will have to mount the /system partition read/write so we can copy the files to it.

adb shell

su

mount -o remount,rw /dev/block/mmcblk3p1 /system

exit

exit

(we have to exit twice because we were in su.)

Now, you're out of the adb shell, back to your command prompt, we're going to adb to push our busybox binary onto the device.

adb push busybox /data/local

And now, back to the shell to finish the install.

adb shell

su

Now, we use busybox to copy itself into /system/xbin because the adb shell lacks a cp command.

cd /data/local

chmod 755 busybox

/data/local/busybox cp /data/local/busybox /system/xbin/busybox

Now, we use busybox to install itself, and make the symlinks to the systems commands.

cd /system/xbin

chmod 755 busybox

./busybox --install -s /system/xbin

Now, we don't need to copy we pushed into /data/local any more...

rm /data/local/busybox

Then exit and reboot:

reboot
[A7 General] durango99:
Excellent write-up. Concise and easy to follow. I'm still waiting for mine to come in...snow storm delayed it for today...tomorrow might be tinker time.

I'm still curious about what will be in the firmware update on the 24th.
[A7 General] BertoJG:
Thank you, but I can't claim responsibility as I just copied it over and changed the relevant parts.. :D

I am going to setup a wiki somewhere so we can keep track of such things so we don't have to hunt around to figure things out... lol

-Robert
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
They're not. I was trying to get them working, but all I did was get stuck at that into screen.

Billy
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
Are you talking to me? In reference to being stuck at the "click the android to continue screen"?

Billy
[A7 General] hashbrown:
I was quoting this:

I sideloaded the archos gapps to no avail it still didnt work.
[A7 General] Canadoc:
once u ogt past that screen were u able to boot back in?

did u try to install the gapps?
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
Oh, I see. I think that's a different list, but Canadoc bailed me out. Thank you anyway though.

Billy
[A7 General] JeepFreak:
I had to delete the file in order to reboot. I didn't make any headway at all.

Billy
[A7 General] blazewit:
You do realize that the hummingbird soc is the exact same as the apple a 4 just with an sgx 540 on the hummingbird and the slower sgx535 in the a4. In fact samsung makes the a4 for apple
[A7 General] Elementix:
Man, is there an A7 IRC channel we can all chat in about this stuff?
[A7 General] Canadoc:
I am not sure of your point. I like the ipad. with ust 256mb of ram though it can slow down if too many apps loading or revisiting websites and they need to reload..and no flash
[A7 General] Canadoc:
not really into the irc thing.

What we need are the sys admins to give us a dedicated a7 forum.

then we need someone with good dev skills to buy one of these and help mod this tablet the way the development has been on the gtablet forum.
[A7 General] nev310:
your post has nothing to do with what he just said. he did not say anything about the hummingbird or the ipad
[A7 General] hoagm:
Elocity A7 Wiki

Robert this is a great idea. I see that you haven't replied yet with a link so I took the liberty to set up a site on Wikispaces. Since you guys are doing all the heavy lifting, I figured the least I could do is to help organize the stuff.

I've copied a few of the relevant posts out to the new wiki. It can be found at elocitya7 dot wikispaces dot com (since I'm new, xda won't let me post links). The wiki is set up as public so you should all be able to log in and contribute. Very vanilla at this point, I just cut and paste so far.

I just recently received my device and have been learning through all the posts here (long time tech geek, new to Android). Keep up the good work. Once I get my head around this, hopefully I can help more than just standing up the wiki. :D

http: // elocitya7 . wikispaces . com
[A7 General] nev310:
thanx that one worked. now i just hope that they fix the problems ive been having like my elocity not waking up and horrible wifi range and the live wallpapers being choppy (updated tegra drivers) and wifi sometimes not even working.
[A7 General] nev310:
my elocity tab keeps deleting my movies and videos off my memory stick. anyone have a clue why
[A7 General] nev310:
has anyone here used headphones? when i try to use headphones on the music app it sounds horrible like an acoustic of my songs. my bluetooth headphones work great and the speakers sound ok just not loud enough
[A7 General] Elementix:
Nope. Sure haven't. I also have a pair of bluetooth headphones (and love them). Is it really that bad?
[A7 General] nev310:
Yes with wired headphones sound with music app is horrible
[A7 General] jazzbone:
I must have gotten a good one.

No problems listening through headphones or wifi issues:)

BTW, I am running LauncherPro, if that makes a difference.

I was listening to the headphones for the first time when an email came in. The email notification sound was several times louder than the music and I just about had a heart attack!

Does anyone know how to adjust the volume of the mail notifications?
[A7 General] hashbrown:
I had wifi issues at first but after a factory reset. All communication was better. Has anyone else seen was using the majority of the battery in settings/about/battery/battery use? I think the cell phone processes that are built in to froyo are using 35% even though sim card usage is nonfunctional at the moment.