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[Nexus S General] deeren:
The only innovative thing n1 came with at that time was the amoled screen. you're right.

About android phones, the first snapdragon on android was by the Liquid a1.
[Nexus S General] Eclair~:
Can't believe I didn't hear of the Liquid at the time, it doesn't even seem anyone even compared the Nexus to the Liquid..
[Nexus S General] Paul22000:
The most important thing for me is screen size; the N1's screen is

WAY

too small for me.

If the Nexus S had a 4.3" screen, I'd have one

the instant

Best Buy opened. :cool:

The loss of SD card doesn't matter to me whatsoever, as I almost never listen to music, and when I do it's via streaming. I'm actually using an 8 GB stick anyway, so 16 would be MUCH more than enough.

The trackball LED notifications are amazing, but the backlight notifications (a la Galaxy S) are good enough for me. If it's that big of an issue, I'm confident someone will figure something else out.

Dual core CPU also doesn't matter. I mean really, the only thing noticeably holding back my N1 is the GPU. So if I can get one that is four times as powerful, why complain? The CPU was never the bottle-neck.

I was hoping for a higher-resolution phone like the retina display (just so they can't use that as a plus in iOS vs Android), but it looks like that's not coming for a long time. I'm thinking to prevent fragmentation, Google might even keep Android smartphones at 800x480, and leave higher resolutions for tablets.

Finally, I'm definitely growing weary of the axis-flipping multi-touch, the screen miscalibration, and the off-center soft buttons. Watching someone try to use my phone is sometimes painful when they miss the back button the first 5 times and then try to just "press" really hard as if it was a physical button.

As it currently is, I'll have to wait to play with it in store to really make up my mind. I mean, just a few weeks ago I was 95% sure I was switching to a G2. That is, until I actually got in store, used the keyboard on it, and realized how awkward and useless it was for me since I'm so used to Swype (and not having to flip the phone landscape every time I wanted to type something).

But then again, I may be getting a tablet for Christmas, so my desire for a larger-screened Android phone may be unnecessary.

Anyway, I'll reserve judgment until I can actually use one on Dec 16th. I may be severely underwhelmed and then not upgrade. Or there might be surprises in store that none of us are aware of until we use them first-hand. Perhaps there is more than meets the eye :cool:

If only it had a 4.3" screen...
[Nexus S General] deeren:
i still remember it and how many devs were shifting from the htc hero to the acer liquid. i still recall a scandal when a famous dev took donations from a hero rom he made, shifted and bought the liquid.well anyway, all the hype of the nexus at that time was mainly because it was the first phone from google directly. ''I said mainly''

here too many people have a negative feeling towards the nexus s just because of all these rumors circulating about dual cores. i am sure that if there weren't any of these, everybody would be saying ''wowwwww the hummingbird processor!!! an even more updated one that the hummingbird from i4!! ''

do u think it is not a big diff in specs? who can explain why all the major devs have shifted from the nexus one to either the g2 or the dhd??

also a lot of people resent the fact that samsung is making the phone. The problem with the sgs is that it is too light.plastic was never a problem. but the feeling u get is bad when it is light. i have seen that they have corrected it with the ns. it has the same weight like the n1 according to specs now.

also like i said somewhere else,

one question , do you actually think htc would have done a better job at this?? seriosuly? htc depends on 3rd parties for the processors n screens. My guess, if that was the case, you would have seen one of the snapdragons seen on the g2 or dhd and a dull TFT. Most probably we would not be seeing any amoled except for samsung phones for the coming year.
[Nexus S General] KROMO50:
I for one just do not believe the NS is worth $529 $560 with tax. What am I going to be able to do on the NS that I can not do on my N1. That is a big ? to ask yourself before you buy it. I have an upgrade on my line and i can get it for $199 and i have asked best buy if you can add the NS on a family plan and they said yes to that. So i think i will stick with the N1 and see how gingerbread runs on it and see if the NS is worth getting. It being sold in stores is good so u can buy it try it out for a couple of weeks and if you do not like it return it that is a plus for sure. Just my 2 cents.
[Nexus S General] bradsh1:
I would be very surprised if backlight notifications don't drain the battery like damn.

It's bringing the screen on line, so the digitizer is probably on (takes power), plus it probably keeps the cpu in a higher state since it is an app and not built into the OS (don't know about this one, but seems likely).

Bringing the screen on isnt a huge deal with AMOLED since there is no backlight, but the other two are annoying.

Has anyone done battery tests on those galS notification apps?
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
Thanks Paul for taking the time to respond :)

Gotta make sure to check the Xda Nexus S forum down the line to see if you end up jumping ship ;)
[Nexus S General] GHOST99K:
lol i bought a brand new nexus one and the desktop dock the same day google announced the nexus s.also sold my htc evo for $250 the same day.:D
[Nexus S General] caysman:
As he says
[Nexus S General] wdfowty:
At first, I looked at the specs and scoffed at the lack of a Dual-Core proc, trackball, and even HTC support (better track record than Sammy ;)).

But, the more I think about it, these things really aren't that big of an issue. I RARELY use the trackball (no TB wake in Sense2.0 roms yet, getting used to it lol), and don't see any need for a dual core except bragging rights.

And, honestly, if this thing supports more than 2 finger input, capacitive button sensors that actually work, and some sort of visual notification, I'll be more than happy to shell out another $550 to "fastboot oem unlock" a Hummingbird Nexus :D
[Nexus S General] andyandrwew:
I REALLY REALLY WANT THIS PHONE!

i just wish that Google had waited a little longer for its release.

imagine if they released it during the 3.0 release of Android.

sorry i kinda proved his point on "What it could've been".

but still... 3.0... ahhh!!

im still getting this beastmode annihilator of a device!!!
[Nexus S General] mikeacela:
I though the nexus s had a 4 inch screen :confused:
[Nexus S General] ma2k5:
But not a 4.3 inch screen.
[Nexus S General] Vandalet:
Am I the only one who has serious issues with the internal memory on my Nexus One? Even with rooting and pushing all the apps I could go the SD card I still keep hitting the 20mb warning mark.

Main reason I'll probably get a Nexus S next week.
[Nexus S General] clickwir:
At first I thought not having a microSD slot would be horrible... but when I look at what I have on my N1's microSD slot... isn't much. I have some music, but if the upcoming streaming music service/app, that google pimped out in the summer, lives up to what they said... you need almost no storage on the device itself.

I'd love to see Cyanogen Mod 6.1 being able to run on this. If that can happen, I'd seriously consider selling my N1 and getting a NS.

edit: Oh, I really like my trackball and the LED notifications. I use that all the damn time. I have different colors set for things, I set it on a table and just glance at it when I hear it. That way I can be away from the phone and still know what's going on. VERY useful.
[Nexus S General] torchedlh:
Do you or anyone have any pics of this? I'm curious to see what this looks like.

Thanks
[Nexus S General] clickwir:
I'm curious too. I know someone with a Galaxy S (the TMo version) and every time there is a notification, the screen turns on for 5-10 seconds to display what it was and then turns off.

Kind of nice, but what if I'm not able to look at the screen during that time? Does it keep notifying every X seconds/minutes like my N1? I really like that feature.

I can be in another room, hear a notification that could be any of 3 different things and then not be able to get to the phone for 10 mins. Walk over and see what color the trackball is pulsing and know if I want to check it out or not.
[Nexus S General] thatguyzx:
ever try apps2ext? i only made a 512mb and have never run out of space. ever. almost every gameloft game, couple EA games, and many other apps.
[Nexus S General] SalviEmpire:
I think ill pass on the NS..

To tell you the truth guys.. I was a iphone owner till i met my baby ( N1 ) and i was anxious to see the 2nd generation of the N1... But seeing the Galaxy S and the NS reminds me too much of the iphone.. im sorry guys personally i just cant see myself having an iphone look like with google in it.. its just not right IMO..and just the plastic feel does not attract me at all..

The specs are good but damn i love my N1... feels like a phone should be not plastic like. to me the N1 is still has the sexy look to it.. so im staying with my N1.. and with the help of our developers roms are getting updated all the time so my phone never gets boring.
[Nexus S General] typ_ex:
Uhh, how? I could see Galaxy S because of the UI. However, NS is running vanilla android. Get that touchwiz out of here.
[Nexus S General] Rusty!:
I think it's this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=730692
[Nexus S General] descendency:
"Should have been" is more like it.

This is Google's next phone for a year+, does anyone think releasing a phone with current gen hardware that's about to go out is a good way to "lead the industry". This phone is 6+ months late. It's that simple.
[Nexus S General] kolyan:
While app is very cool. For me it has no use. I noticed that i dont need notifications that much because phone is ALWAYS with me and I check / play with it constantly.

This app DOES drain battery. and there is no 100% turn black pixels off. I read that while its black and does save battery, pixels are still powered and do drain battery. Search for "battery" in thread to get the idea.

For me even if this app drains 10% per my daily use (10 hours, 1% per hour), i would rather have that 10% than notifications.
[Nexus S General] uansari1:
I like your moxy.
[Nexus S General] RogerPodacter:
On amoled screens a black pixel is completely and totally off. But I do agree that I can never give up my color track ball in place of a screen notification app like that. Why did they do this?! It's literally making me mad and sad on a personal level, like the nexus was something unique and special, and they completely threw that away. Now I just dislike Samsung even more.
[Nexus S General] JHaste:
100% right... 2.3 they said they wanted to optimize for game developers and help encourage growth in that area of the market. that means they should have put out a phone with with the new hardware as well so developers have a base to build off of...
[Nexus S General] Old MuckenMire:
I feel very much the same way. Not only did Google screw the pooch in promoting and selling the N1, now they go and deface the whole name Nexus by calling this POS NS a Nexus...AND they let Samsung build it....just to make sure if it wasn't ****ed up enough before, Samsung would surely make it look and feel cheap to finish the job.

The Nexus One deserved better and the Nexus name sure as hell deserves better.

Not to mention us customers....
[Nexus S General] Lamar720:
Umm It doesn't support tmo's 4g system, 5mp Camera, wondering how is this top of the line specs
[Nexus S General] wang1404:
haha I like your break-down or walk-through (or whatever it's called) of my post, SoberGuy.
[Nexus S General] :
while it was not the first phone to have revolutionary hardware (snapdragon/amoled,) the nexus one was one of the few to include such features taking on the next-gen hardware at the time of its release. The nexus set the bar for what a phone should be, taking on the emerging hardware that would dominate the market for the next year. Samsung and the nexus s on the other hand are releasing a phone that is current-gen while the newest and greatest phones are coming out a mere month from now. had google delayed the release to include the newest processors and include some of the features that google has had for the longest time, the nexus s would have been well received.

i think that the nexus s is an excellent phone. however, it is nowhere near flagship material knowing what its going to face in about 2 months. the nexus one had hardware that made it competitive a year after it was released. can you say the same about the nexus s? no, in fact there are other phones that give it a run for the money right NOW
[Nexus S General] pukemon:
i think the s stands for a 4 letter word that rhymes with hit. sorry guys. it happens.:p i'm keeping my nexus one for a while.:D
[Nexus S General] worker1:
I think it looks good. 129 grams vs the nexus one at 130 grams.

I like the curved samoled 4" screen, the vanilla os, 720p video.

I'm hoping some of the improvements in speed are a result of gingerbread.

No dedicated camera button though? How can I take pictures of myself? ;)

It's exciting to see another nexus on the way, but my N1 is in great shape and I can't wait to try gingerbread on it. :D
[Nexus S General] pwig:
No 720p video. You are mistaken.

It is 720x480p.
[Nexus S General] Award Tour:
First let me start by saying that the Nexus One was and is a sexy ass phone.

That said, why the hell is the Nexus One considered revolutionary hardware? The HD2 set that standard, THAT was a revolutionary phone, AND it was also made by HTC. Sure it didn't run Android but it was out way before the Nexus One and set a general standard for hardware on Smartphones. There were no surprises with the Nexus One, it was just a really good looking Android phone with HD2 level specs.

The original Snapdragon itself was also the first CPU of that level out of the gate on mobile phones. That early adoption came at a price too: the GPU (comparably, after the fact) sucked. Even before the N1 was released, the original Droid's PowerVR (530?) already out performed the Adreno 200. Later on the incoming Droids in mid-2010 out performed the Adreno by about a factor of two and the CPUs were comparable/equal/better. The SGS GPU of course just demolished it.

Bottom line: there was nothing ground breaking on the N1 and by the time it was released, it was already being beaten in some areas.

The Nexus S is no different (well except for the fact that I can't think of a single released phone that can out perform it) but I actually like it's chances this time around. The PowerVR SGX 540 is just as good as the Tegra 2's GPU. The dual core OMAPs coming out next year are going to adopt the very same GPU so they'll be on equal footing there. Qualcomm's dual core GPU is a unknown but might move towards the Adreno 220 making it better and the Orion is of course going to be faster. CPU wise, it's a no brainer, the dual cores will be faster. The question is will we even notice? What does a dual core CPU do on a phone? Seriously. What does it do? GMail? Message? Music? RSS readers? Stuff that runs just fine on a single core 400 MHz CPU? Most if not all of the lag will be eliminated via HW GPU acceleration in 3.0. I'm not convinced that dual cores are going to have any immediate impact in mobile phones. The use cases are not there to require one - tablets are another story.

I just don't see the Nexus S seeing any limitations in 2011. The GPU is rock solid, the 1 GHz CPU will do anything you can think of. The Nexus One on the other hand is bottlenecked by the GPU. So sure, there WILL be more powerful phones, some being significantly faster but like I said, I just don't see the Nexus S running visibly slower. And between those more powerful phones and the Nexus S, the Nexus S will be the only one with Google support and updates.

There are some definite gripes about the Nexus S (primarily lack of HSPA+, notification light, and the plastic) but it's obvious to me that the Nexus S is the Android phone to own in 2011.

PS: The N1 didn't do 720p out of the box either. Doesn't the SGS do 720p though? Seems like it's a hack away from joining the ranks of crappy 720p mobile phone recording.
[Nexus S General] SoberGuy:
You hhave valid points in your post. Most people won't take full advantage of dual core processors and the GPU is an issue.

However, when looking at the N1 at the time of release, look at the full package. Sure, it wasn't the first Snapdragon. Not the first Amoled. Not the first aluminum body (I don't know really). But combine those, with vanilla android, and no performance issuues because of a crappy overlay, and you've got a great phone. Toss in tithe trackball (that I don't use for anything but notifications) and LED flash... I mean, come on, man. Individual components may not have been a first, but the complete package kicked ass.

The S seems like a decent phone, I'm not a hater. It just isn't what I expected the next dev phone to be. Decent, but not great.

And to catch some real crap from everyone... I respect the iPhone as well. It changed the market and pushed the envelope. I never owned one, never will. Not for me. Neither is the S.

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[Nexus S General] Award Tour:
I hate starting up arguments (and I do it WAY too much on XDA) but I disagree. The Nexus One was essentially the HD2 but instead of a eye opening 4.3" display you got a AMOLED display - equal trade offs depending on the person. So all the Nexus One had was the unibody design + build (trackball, etc) which as I've said many times, was great. The vanilla thing is not new; in fact, at the time almost everything was vanilla and HTC Sense looked impressive and worship worthy (that initial hype faded away quickly for me though). The overlay/bloat issue/problem didn't really start to heat up until 2010. And besides, to get back to the core of this thread, Vanilla + Google support is in both the S and the One.
[Nexus S General] :
The HD2 with its snapdragon was only 2 months older than the nexus one. it wasnt out "way before" the nexus. the samsung galaxy s has been out for 6 months. its the same phone.

there is no point in comparing the nexus to phones that have been out for the last six months. compare the performance of the nexus to phones that came out two months after. Because phones that are up against the nexus s coming out two months from now are significant upgrades.

Heres an article you should read to see how much of an upgrade dual-core processors are:

http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...u-will-want-to-buy-a-dual-core-mobile-device/

and no orion doesnt have the same gpu as the hummingbird:

http://androidheadlines.com/2010/09...ave-5x-the-graphics-power-of-hummingbird.html

EDIT: also when the nexus one came out, android didnt exactly have any games that strained the GPU lol
[Nexus S General] Award Tour:
Who said the Orion had the same GPU? I specifically said it was better (Mali something or other, maybe 400?).

True I probably used the words too loosely but two months is still a decent period when dealing with tech. But what I said still holds true, the Nexus One was not a revolutionary phone -- it was a remodeled HD2 with Android.

I know that dual cores are more powerful. Doesn't take a genius to realize that: a) Cortex A9 > Cortex A8, and b) two cores > one core. My point was: Is there any use case in mobile phones that would see real world, noticeable improvement from it. My opinion is no. Dual cores are for tablets and overkill for phones. Most mobile apps going forward will depend more on the GPU if any thing, and the PowerVR SGX 540 in the Hummingbird/SGS was waaayyy ahead of the curve.
[Nexus S General] :
lol well the GPU doesnt do ALL the work. you cant pair the PowerVR SGX 540 with the 384mhz processor in the g1 and expect it to do everything haha. you may not see a need for dual-cores now, but you will definitely see it in 6months. its the same way that people didnt see the need for a powerful gpu in the nexus until recently. dual cores offer a great enough advantage that it will be visible. You'll also see a leap in the battery life which is more useful in a cellphone than it is a tablet.

the nexus is not a remodeled hd2 lol. just because they have the same hardware specs doesnt make them equal. the nexus one was built from scratch. you dont say a macbook pro is a remodeled dell xps.

and 2 months was a decent period? the hd2 didnt even come to america until march, 3 months after the nexus released lol. for americans, the nexus was the revolutionary phone. the fact remains that the nexus one incorporated upcoming hardware. the nexus s did not.

heres what happened. google wanted a new nexus. the choices were:

a) use existing hardware to have it ready in time for the gingerbread release and for the holiday season

b) delay the nexus release and release gingerbread, then release the phone with gingerbread.

b is pretty much out of the question. gingerbread has lots of features which the current nexus could not take advantage of. so they took a tested platform and made it specific to the gingerbread release

EDIT: also the dual-core processor offers 1.6-2x more fps vs. the same chip with only one core
[Nexus S General] jamesyb0i:
quit ur arguing it's just a phone, go outside or something and before you know it you'll own a nexus 2 running dual core w/ nvidia gpu and a bendable screen or something
[Nexus S General] midyat47:
It's crappp, it's made by Samsung!!! Samsung is veryyyy veryyyy bad in updates. My first android phone was samsung I7500, no updates, stuck on android 1.6. F**k samsung. Nexus s = galaxy s.

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[Nexus S General] justclimb:
From my point of view, what I apreciate the most is the reliability and strenght of the Nexus One.

Once this phone is gonna get the Gingerbread at least at the same time as the plastic toy made by Sammy (Nexus S) I'm more than satisfied with my sexy Nexie...

When and if Honeycomb comes to the smartphone arena then and only then I expect a hardware replacement: GPU might be the only thing that won't be up to the game.

The only things that I would change to my Nexus are: new S-amoled, better GPU and the broken micro-usb...I'm charging temporarly with the dock: how you'll do that on the Nexus S?
[Nexus S General] kolyan:
The five major points that NVIDIA is promoting for Tegra 2 include:

Faster Web page load times

Lower power consumption and higher performance per watt

Higher quality game play experience for advanced console-style mobile games

Highly responsive and smoother UIs (user interfaces)

Faster multitasking
[Nexus S General] SoberGuy:
The issue is too many people view it as an argument. I look at it as an intelligent debate about phones, where we have differing opinions. Some think the S is a worthy upgrade. Some think there's something better right around the corner. There's discussion about technical specs, and some of us have learned a little via this discussion. Not an argument to me.

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