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[Nexus S General] ApplCobbler:
I hate hearing that because it makes me wonder if all those tests I've done saying I have 20/20 vision are incorrect since I can't ever see what you all are talking about unless i literally press my eyeball up against the screen. And even then, the screen on my Captivate doesn't have any 'matrices' showing.

Or maybe you just go along with what the detractors say without actually checking out a SAMOLED screen :)
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
That's the problem. ALL of HTC's phones had these multi-touch issues! Huge problem with HTC. It's not like it was a one device blooper.

I feel the opposite. I feel like the N1 feels cheap and clunky as does the G2, whereas the Vibrant feels slick and new. Whereas the Nexus S looks way even hotter than the Vibrant.

I really don't understand. My G2 had a yellowish tint on the screen and was ugly. Not to mention it felt terrible to swipe my finger across it when compared to the Vibrant or Droid X. And SLCD? I don't think the G2 is using SLCD. I don't think SLCD is even used yet. Super LCD? Lol

Other than that.

?? Looks quite different to me. Even then I say again: What's wrong with looking anything like an iPhone? The iPhone has a great design. How is this a problem?
[Nexus S General] godsfilth:
i really like HTC phones they seem innovative and look awesome, but iv had serious issues with everyone i have ever bought.

my first G1, launch day, would reboot every time i turned on wifi (hell i thought it was a software bug it wasn't until donut and my gf getting a G1 that i realized it was my phone) my replacement worked fine.

My first N1 had copious amounts of dust under the screen and a faulty power button and digitizer, took 3 weeks to get a replacement.

my girlfriends first N1 had more dead pixels than living ones (not kidding 2/3 of the screen was dead pixels) took 5 weeks to get a replacement thats 5 weeks with a hold on my account for a fast ship replacement many many calls to CS and them ****ing up and using my imei for someone elses phone.)

so basically love HTC's phones but damn do i have **** luck with them and customer service is increadibly nice but increasingly unable to solve my problems in a timely manner.

all in all im looking forward to the samsung made NS i never liked samsung's phones with samsungs custom crap (be it custom OS or touchwiz) but all my smart phone friends from winmo say samsungs are the best build quality and adw.launcher on vibrant makes its almost kinda usable for small doses (touchwiz really is so hideous it really makes me want to vomit)
[Nexus S General] jtroye32:
i think they wanted to push the phone as a top notch user experience phone more than anything. With the best gpu around currently and the super AMOLED this makes for a great UI phone with a sleek and innovative body design, which is why it's the phone they're releasing Gingerbread on. Gingerbread has a huge focus on increasing the UI experience and making everything silky smooth. I'm sure this will have no problem running games or other graphically intense Apps (which is why it's a good dev phone). The things it's missing are pretty annoying to a lot of people, including myself, but it's a solid piece of hardware IMHO. I can't decide if I want this or the myTouch 4G. HSPA+ would be nice (especially tethering) but I'm not sure how much use anything past regular HSDPA would be for me on the phone itself. decisions, decisions. i think i'll wait to see what 1st qtr 2011 brings to the game.
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
If you aren't happy with 7.2mbps then get a myTouch4g
[Nexus S General] jtroye32:
I'd be happy with that as it's faster than my current 6mbps dsl. 7.2 is the theoretical limit. I read that people were getting just under 2mbps in reality.. which is still plenty fast for me on my phone. I'm leaning towards the nexus as of right now
[Nexus S General] ma2k5:
N1 feeling cheap and clunky? Blasphemy..

N1/iphone 4 are the best looking phones out on the market imho. No way can I see the N1 being cheap/clunky.
[Nexus S General] KeithRVA:
@Op, whatever makes you feel justified in spending your hard earned cash. Personally, I need removable sd card storage and notification lights. That's just how Android has always been for me since the G1 and I'm used to it. Not having those things would be weird, like using an iPhone our something.
[Nexus S General] SamsungVibrant:
I don't think the PowerVR SGX 540 that the Samsung Galaxy S series phones use is made by Samsung. Is Nexus S using the same chip?

Also, you said all the Nexus Ones were shipped with faulty screens. So were all the Galaxy S varients on every carrier. Put two Galaxy S phones side by side, and each one will have a different colored screen tint. Many Vibrants, Fascinates, Captivates, etc have blue tint problems, others have a green tint, some have a yellow tint. You get lucky if you get a Super Amoled phone that produces nice whites without strong tints. Just amazes me the tints vary so much.
[Nexus S General] DKYang:
The OP should put gaming up in that list. Android dev said they made huge improvements for game programming. So who made the best Android gaming device right now? That's right, it's Samsung.
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
O.o. I own a Nexus One. The screen sucks, and it feels like crap to hold. The Camera positioning is dumb. But then again, obviously, this is all personal preference. The design of the iPhone 4 is way superior to a Nexus One, as is the entire Galaxy S line. The Nexus One was good a year ago, but the iPhone 4's design still dwarfed it (and everything else) at that time.

And that's fine... Different people have different needs. I neer really needed a notification light however I do miss it from my TP2 but not enough to not jump on a hotass Nexus S. I can't see the removeable storage as a dealbreaker either unless you absolutely need more than 16gb.

The Nexus S uses the same Hummingbird as the Galaxy S from what I know.

I have never seen a Galaxy S with a 'faulty' screen with my own eyes. None from display, 2 Vibrants I went through, GF's Fascinate, and my friend's Captivate. All the screens are gorgeous and epic and the touch screens are better than anything HTC has ever done.

Even then, the tints on white aren't even a dealbreaker honestly. It can't be a HUGE tint. My G2 had a friggin yellow screen. On everything. This is nothing in comparison to the multi-touch issues that HTC shipped out on millions of devices.
[Nexus S General] DJTaurus:
Guys lets be realistic....the external plastics of Nexus One/htc desire feel better with a soft touch but in terms of hardware (hardware is not only the external plastics) materials/assembly htc cannot match sam's knowhow.In the end of the day i surely prefer the looks and touch of Nexus one materials but nexus S is a clear winner in every term.
[Nexus S General] Pickx:
lol TC, you are a riot.

Galaxy S has an innovative design? Are you kidding me? Everything about the Galaxy S (+Tab) line - from the physical design to Touchwiz 3.0 to the marketing tactics screams "we want to be an iPhone! Please buy us, technologically-retarded parents!".

And I'd love to know just what is 'innovative' about glossy black plastic on smartphones (or worse, glossy black plastic with rounded edges).

In a time when single-core processors are about to be phased out on high-end handsets, Samsung opts for the same single-core processor from 6 months ago. That's even lazier than HTC trying to pass off yet another HD2 or G2 clone as a new phone...

And Google endorsing a device that doesn't support memory expansion? What a joke. Isn't that one of Android's biggest selling points compared to the iPhone? (I'm also surprised Samsung would do this, considering they make good money in the memory card market).

As for shipping faulty products, how about that GPS on the Galaxy S? Or the constant lags, forcing hundreds of developers to scramble for fixes (not before banging their collective heads against the wall in frustration, of course)? And build quality? Sure is plastic in here.

Anyway, HTC is pissing me off lately and certainly has rich a history of cutting costs and corners but to say Samsung has an edge over them (other than their access to Super AMOLED) would be flat-out wrong.
[Nexus S General] Toss3:
Samsung was the obvious choice considering the awful hardware HTC puts into their devices. Sure they might look better on the outside, but when it comes to phones inside>>outside imho. Stock android + samsung hardware = win.

The iphone 4 with android would be the best phone ever imho(with a 4+ inch screen and SGX 540 that is).

What formats does the Nexus S support btw?
[Nexus S General] Eclair~:
According to Gizmodo, the Nexus S definitely feels "cheap".
[Nexus S General] adrynalyne:
LOL, Samsung was lowest bidder, that's why they were chosen. Business 101.
[Nexus S General] Pickx:
I think it went more like this:

- Google knows Gingerbread is a very incremental update, needs to keep the media buzz train going, does not want Android's momentum to slow down

- Samsung executives are money-drunk with the constant cash flow they've been getting ever since Samsung entered the Android market. Also, Samsung probably has a lot of leftover Hummingbird processors and 4" Super AMOLED panels (that will probably be phased out by the next-gen AMOLED technologies at some point in 2011)

Solution: Samsung gets more money and gets associated with the Google/Android brand, Google gets media buzz and everyone is happy!
[Nexus S General] DemonWav:
Samsung makes the best screens in the world. The quality and performance differences are so huge that it's not even an opinion. Holding my Captivate up to my friend's G2 just makes us both laugh, HTC's screen looks absolutely pathetic compared to Samsung's Super AMOLED. His G2's screen also feels much less sturdy, the phone is made out of metal, but that's about as far as it goes. My Captivate is also about twice as loud as his G2, and it sounds way better. I am very happy that Google went with Samsung, because as of right now Samsung has the absolute highest performing hardware for smartphones in the world.
[Nexus S General] Award Tour:
Looks like Android users are as big of prima donnas as the iPhone users.
[Nexus S General] demo23019:
missread....removed
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
Except the consumers?
[Nexus S General] dhiral.v:
1. Debatable.

2. Depends on preference, people have shouted about the pentile matrix and tint issues on the AMOLED technologies. So again debatable.

3. Agreed the fact that the N1 had the multi-touch issue. However bare in mind that when it was released, originally android 2.1 did not support multi-touch until the update came along afterwards. None of the newer HTC line up such as the G2/desire z and desire hd etc have this issue any more. This was probably Google's fault more than HTC's.

4. Are you kidding me? I think HTC's design and build quality out does anything that samsung has ever done. The galaxy S is a cheap iphone clone. There's nothing innovative about the design, and the build quality is cheap. At least HTC offers a fresher design and more innovation.

5. What freshness??

6. Agreed, HTC does use poor quality speakers.

HTC G2 anti-root - I think that this was a decision which was influenced by t-mobile more than anyone. However above all that they managed to get the full root done so I don't really see this as a issue.

I'm not saying that HTC is perfect. However claiming that samsung was a better choice is a bold statement to make. Samsung have their own problems.

I won't be getting the nexus S. I think google could have done so much better, dropping features such as the sd card slot has greatly disappointed me. Reminds me a bit of apple, and how they drop big features.

They rushed the device just for the Christmas launch.
[Nexus S General] demo23019:
HTC released a few android phones prior to N1 with the same touch chip but yea like you said android didn't truly support multiouch prior to N1 but still N1 was still advertised to have "multitouch"

And even after all the commotion about the N1 "faulty touchscreen" HTC released couple other phones the desire and Intruder and they had the same "faulty chip inside....it took verizon to pull them aside and say "get this mutitouch issues squared away for the Droid Incredible" and they did ... finally.

Desire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhBRMaUn6Ig

Aria ''HTC Intruder"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmVyfKzv2o0

It wasn't tmobiles decision because the unlocked Desire Z "G2" had the same anti-root and think the Desire HD did also
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
I see.

It is obvious that different people like different things! Some people think that the plastic Galaxy S is bad and feels cheap but I feel the opposite. The Vibrant feels much nicer in the hand to me than the G2, Nexus One, and Droid X have. To each his own for this I guess. And that's the beauty of Android, you have options.

Either way, the Hummingbird does outperform the Snapdragon in real life actions. The Quadrant CPU benchmark may score higher but you will get a much smoother experience on the Hummingbird. Same goes for the Orion vs the dual core Snapdragon. The Orion will perform better.

As for "freshness" I meant, not going back to the same person for the next phone. It proves that Google isn't devoted to any one manufacture, and I think this is a good thing.

Even still you can't write HTC off for the multi-touch issues they introduced to millions of Android handsets. This is a true ***** when it comes to programming on screen controls for a game.
[Nexus S General] dhiral.v:
Well I suppose it comes down to opinion in the end. Yes its a good thing we have a choice, that's the beauty about being open :D.

Really? Can you explain how?

And how can you comment on a CPU that has not even been released yet?
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
The entire user experience is smoother such as home screen swiping and menus. This is due to the outstanding GPU found with the hummingbird.

As for them not being released I read about it on the guy that made quadrant's forum in the news section he gives a pretty good rundown of what to expect from the dual cores with the Orion dwarfing the rest due to the massive GPU power.

As far as actual CPU power and data crunching I'm not sure which performs better. The snapdragon is faster with float math from what I think. Either way the Vibrant interface is much smoother than the Nexus One, G2 and Droid X and Droid 2 and even the Evo from the testing I did. All on stock.
[Nexus S General] dhiral.v:
I've played around with a galaxy S and I really didn't find it to be smooth, not to mention that horrific lag issue. It can't be down to the GPU because android does not fully support GPU acceleration in the UI yet. The hummingbird certainly does not dwarf the snapdragon.

It's fair to say samsung's touchwiz UI implementation is sub-par.

The dual core snapdragon will be built on a 28nm architecture and is said to have five times the performance of the original snapdragon, consume 75% less power and a GPU to match that of the PS3 and xbox 360.
[Nexus S General] ShaunMichael80:
All the Nexus S is, is a vibrant with gingerbread and curved edges and the nexus named attached to it....sure its a good phone...is it what the next line of nexus one should be? Nope not even close
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
I'm assuming the one you tried was on the stock 2.1

After the simple oneclick lag fix it runs smoother than ever... I'm running the Froyo anyways now with no lagfix and it runs far smoother than a bunch of the devices I've tried and own. I primarily use the Vibrant and the difference is noticeable between it and the Nexus One. The Nexus One is fidgity on the app drawer. The G2, Evo, Droid X, and Droid 2 each were also fidgity when you swipe home screens. I'm sure they may perform better with optimizations as well. This is all on the stock Launcher2.apk. The G2 runs smooth on Launcher Pro however it is fidgity on stock launcher. I remember not being able to deal with how lumpy it was on the homescreens on the stock launcher.

However the main benchmark worth noting is the 3d rendering and 2d rendering which is far greater than the other devices. Quake 3 maxes out at 56 fps on the Galaxy S but slugs under 40 on everything else. Nexus One gets about 20 Droid X gets about 35.

Also, the Orion was also stated to have 5 times the performance of the Hummingbird.

Here is the article or w/e that I mentioned earlier that summarizes the processors written by the guy that programmed Quadrant, I'd say he knows what he's talking about

http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=161

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This is correct. SGX540 does perform about 2x as fast as SGX530 (found in Droid X, Droid 2, iPhone 3GS and a variation of it in iPhone 4). Unfortunately, Samsung's Galaxy S has been using the same GPU for many months now. So TI is playing a catch up on Samsung's SoC. To be fair, other manufacturers aren't exactly doing any better. Qualcomm's second generation GPU - Adreno 205 also performs significantly worse than SGX540 and (soon to be released) Tegra 2's GPU is also expected to be outperformed by SGX540. With Samsung claiming Orion improving GPU performance by another 3-4x over SGX540 must sound scary to other manufacturers!

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SGX540 is the Hummingbird GPU
[Nexus S General] dhiral.v:
There's no real evidence to support what your saying. The snapdragons have been getting higher scores in quadrant. The Adreno 205 has beaten the sgx 540 in some aspects and areas, the sgx 540 has also beaten the adreno 205 in other aspects and areas. They are claimed to perform on par with each other. Samsung have made bold statements about the sgx 540 which have proven to be untrue.

The hummingbird maybe a powerful processor, but as I said, Samsung's software implementation is absolute ****e. Maybe we will see the full potential of the hummingbird when the nexus S comes out. It will be obselete when the tegra 2 comes out however. Have a look at the benchmark:

http://pocketnow.com/android/tegra-2-powered-lg-star-previewed-conclusion-powerhouse

You can't say the orion will out perform the next gen snapdragon when there have been no tests or benchmarks. And again, if the orion does turn out to be better, we will never know, coming back to Samsung's poor software implementation.
[Nexus S General] gogol:
Note that the sgx 540 is capped at 55 or 56 fps. It cannot go higher than that even the hardware could.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=779602

At 55 fps, it is damn fast enough!

You don't need more than that, its useless, no different in your eyes and it will drain battery a lot.

About Samsung software, that might be true. But don't forget that we are talking about pure Google experience here. This is Google who supply the whole software!

So, software is not a factor to decide in this topic.

Samsung software should be out of the equation when discussing Nexus S :)

Nah, not impressive enough. Neocore 67 fps? Not much different than sgx 540 or Adreno 205 (HTC Desire HD = 58 fps).

And you can find Samsung Galaxy S can result 2200+ Quadrant score :D

Of course, it is FASTER. It is something nice to have, but I would not say it will make current hummingbird obsolete.
[Nexus S General] demo23019:
Android is far from needing dual core...games on android will not utilize dual-core.

sgx540 is far from being fully utilized on android platform take the iphone's sgx535 which is significantly slower than the 540

Companies like iD and epic stepped in and are finally utilizing the iphone's 535 with games like Rage and Infinity Blade that look and run great on iphone just image what the 540 could do if it was actually being used to its full extent ;)
[Nexus S General] Capt-CDD:
Close but NO cigar!!!

The Nexus 1 has its problems but they seem minor to me and I think the phone still rocks overall.

The Nexus S looks to be the same old galaxy in a new box with No SD. I like the bigger screen and better internal speaker but is that all there is? The new pinnacle smart phone, REALLY? The Juice isn't worth the squeeze!

I have not had any problems with the screen on my Nexus 1 so I can't pile on for that one. Features and Spec. wise there is not enough difference to pull the trigger.

As far as the what it's made out of (aluminum or plastic) I really don't care as long as it is and feels of quality. N1 feels great compared to g1, no cheapy creaks and pops.

The no SD is a big killer for me. I have 16g full at this time 32g on order. I use bluetooth music in all my vehicles and at home. I like and use the music feature as well as any on these phones. (and before someone says it yes I have ipods but they are not nearly as seemless to use as the phone is.) Which is another big staying point with me and the Nexus 1. Nexus bluetooth docking stations are great for the N1. I like the ability to store large quantities of media on my phone and also to be able to switch phones and media at any time.

What happen to the dualcore rumour. If you look on the ARM comparison sheet there are several out but not in use. Is it because of lack of OS support? I think 2011 will be the year of the dualcore. I wait till then. And maybe in the mean time they can find the SD slot they lost. I don't care who makes it but @ $500 - $600 a pop they are going to give me more than just a 3mm larger screen and speakers. And I'm not going to lose features that I use..
[Nexus S General] Product F(RED):
Personally, I don't trust Samsung, at least with Android. They do make great hardware (aside from GPS!), but the software support is not there. The potential success of the Nexus S should be attributed 90% to Google, because they're the ones pushing out the updates. I don't think Google chose Samsung over HTC because they're better. They chose them to diversify. How would you feel if you were a manufacturer other than HTC and you never got an exclusive from Google? Pissed, right? Motorola had the original Droid (which wasn't a Nexus, but might as well have been), HTC had the Nexus 1, and now Samsung has the Nexus S.

I kind of think Samsung's sleezy for a couple of reasons:

1) Behold II

2) Taking so long to update to 2.2. You can blame it on the interface being ported over, but Touchwiz is just an application (apk).

3) Considering not updating the Galaxy S line to 2.3 (even though the Epic, for example, has better hardware than the Nexus S)

4) Bleeding-edge hardware but little stability

Personally, I think it's good that Google's diversifying. And I kind of like the Nexus S. It's a good looking phone and the ability to get priority updates is very appealing. However, in general if someone asked me to choose between a Samsung phone and an HTC phone, I'd choose HTC. If it was a Nexus S over a Nexus 1, I'd choose the Nexus S because of the newer hardware and because it's supported by Google directly.
[Nexus S General] Capt-CDD:
I don't know if Android necessarily needs dual core yet. But you cannot tell me that multi-tasking would not benefit from a properly tuned Android and dual core.
[Nexus S General] tekkitan:
That's why it is your opinion! :-)

I thought the N1 looked terrible. Didn't appeal to me at all. Sure it is/was a decent phone but I need something that looks nice because I want to show it off with pride. The NS looks really sexy in my opinion. I wouldn't mind showing it off, that is if I get one. Still want to see some more reviews and such on it before I make up my mind to drop $530 on it.
[Nexus S General] tekkitan:
It would, but as it stands Android (even Gingerbread) isn't made to run optimizing dual cores. Probably Honeycomb may start that trend, who knows.
[Nexus S General] demo23019:
My vibrant is extremely fast with multitasking and will be even faster with NS and ext4 file system.

Im sure dualcore will help but this isnt like a PC.

IMO Android is already pretty good at handling multitasking with out consuming much resources

dont get me wrong im a tech buff and like the latest and greatest phones and PC hardware and i wont lie im very interested in dual-core phone whether i need it or not ill probably get one

Im just giving my opinion to the guy who thinks nexus s hardware will be outdated when tegra 2 is available