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[Nexus One General] draugaz:
Everyone is wildly speculating, so I will too :)

My impression is that gingerbread is not quite done yet, just look at all the issues currently in discussion at the NS forum. Some of them are quite serious and I suspect not all of them are specific to the NS hardware.

Why the NS got this half baked gingerbread and N1 not? Obviously, in case of NS goog had some hard deadlines to meet. Samsung has its strict manufacturing schedule planned well in advance and needs something to flash into devices being produced. goog simply had to make a cut somewhere.

On the other hand, there are no hard deadlines in case of N1. While it is uncool to leave the N1 owners high and dry, it is even more uncool to release something knowingly half baked.

My speculation is that NS will get some further builds first. Not because the NS is the new googles darling (which of course could still apply), but because it is already in the wild. I don't expect the 2.3 for N1 before that. What would be a point to release 2.3 for N1 and then hear everyone whining, cursing and asking how to roll back to 2.2?
[Nexus One General] OzCDN:
Not true. Honeycomb is extending the interface to allow tablets to use their larger real estate while being completely compatible with the smaller phone screens.

They are definitely designing things to improve tablet use but they are explicitly keeping it phone friendly. There is no reason for phones that are powerful enough to not get it.

The question is 'will the N1 still make the grade' and my guess is probably.
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
I would second this.

Let's be realistic. Say, el goog creates the all new android with awesome 3D effects only the latest and greatest can handle. Now this would create a real OS fragmentation everybody and their dog is currently nagging about. You would suddenly exclude anything but the absolute high end devices. And basically get 2 incompatible markets: cheap mass market devices (like in the $100-$200 range) with old OS and relatively low volume high end. Imagine the outcry.

Then there are practical UI design considerations. The flashier UI gets, the quicker people get weary of it.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Interesting, I was beginning to think the same thing. At least it's not just me then.
[Nexus One General] justclimb:
I know it's taft...but is the reality:

Our Nexies are now the Magics (MyTouch3G) of the first third of 2010...

Take into account that the last ones have received the froyo OTA "some" 36 weeks later than the first. Add to that the Nexus One Official forum had been closed down to stop moanings about the update...

So there you've got a good mirror to look at.

Particularly Gingerbread specs doesn't appeal enough to buy a phone per se...Honeycomb will...so unless my carrieer offers me the S by free I'll be patiently watching the Bulls behind the Barrier.

; )
[Nexus One General] GldRush98:
STOP IT. That is not true.

There will be a Honeycomb version for tablets and Honeycomb version for phones, just like there is with iOS.

STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.
[Nexus One General] bohlool:
Information?

and where is your INFORMATIONS' reference?
[Nexus One General] moelester518:
What I got from the interview at Dive into digital is that honeycomb will be the same for tablets and phones, and the apps will express themselves differently based on screen size.
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
My guess is that Honeycomb is right now only for tablets. It will eventually be for phones but with CES right around the corner it wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense to release gingerbread when honeycomb products would be announced a month later. This leads me to believe that they are doing what Apple did but in reverse.

Honeycomb was made for tablets first, and will be released within the next two months on supported/new tablets. Phones will continue on there regular schedule meaning that honeycomb will not be released for it until May. Google is probably releasing a comparably rushed version of it to compete with the iPad 2, so the time between the first gen Android Honeycomb tablets and Honeycomb phones will be spent on refining it further.

This is just my speculation.
[Nexus One General] :
That's wrong too actually.

Honeycomb will add specific support for larger screen devices. It will also add and API that allows views within views (email for example, message list view on left, message view on right).

It will still be one single OS, not a fragmented situation like iOS
[Nexus One General] danger-rat:
How can that be true, when every device currently has it's own specific ROM?
[Nexus One General] :
....what does that have to do with anything?
[Nexus One General] faizalmzain:
honeycomb behave/display differently for phone and tablet.

it is indeed for both, not exclusively for tablet.

just read the interview dude.
[Nexus One General] teknoraver:
I think that we'll see gingerbread only in 2011

Happy 0x7db to all!
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
I'm already in 2011 :P
[Nexus One General] teknoraver:
And no gingerbread for you so I'm right!
[Nexus One General] pizad_sura:
me too :P

still silence
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
2011 sucks so far.
[Nexus One General] BiTXBoi:
so does this thread for the last 50 pages.
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
You guys haven't tried MicroMod's gingerbread? It's actually a very decent rom.
[Nexus One General] pizad_sura:
i have done , but at the first version hahaha

now i'm waiting for OTA

T^T
[Nexus One General] subvecto:
Why gingerbread ota is not being rolled out for n1 yet? Delayed due to ns sales impact???
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Its not delayed as there was never a release date. Held back more like.
[Nexus One General] rori~:
You bet, Samsung made a good deal with Google.

Sent from my Nexus One
[Nexus One General] GHOST99K:
Google ditching our N1 for sure.so much on getting "early updates".thanx god my HD2 running NAND gingerbread rom.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
If you're happy with 2.3 on your HD2, I'm sure you'd be just happy with one of the AOSP builds on your N1?
[Nexus One General] subvecto:
That's also what I think is the case... whether call it a delay or a held back both seems to be for the sake of sales of new hardware rather than technical challenges; which is not good at all...
[Nexus One General] erikiksaz:
I guess I'm not 100% against it. Google is still trying to push the idea of selling phones that are not tied to a specific carrier. I'm hoping they succeed. Realistically, will it work with a phone like the Nexus S? Probably not. But hell, I can hope.
[Nexus One General] yunlin12:
what's the big deal about Gingerbread?

So far my biggest gripes with N1 are still the unreliable T-Mo 3G connection, worse than my G1, and the finicky soft touch keys. I doubt 2.3 is going to fix those if HTC/Google haven't improved them by now.
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
I believe the soft keys issue is a hardware thing not software.
[Nexus One General] YoMarK:
I'm using MicroMod's Gingerbread ROM for some time now(actually from day one), and the it's really stable and fast.

I just hope that google has some driver improvements in the 2.3 OTA over Froyo. Some faster graphics drivers wouldn't hurt the Nexus One.
[Nexus One General] stonec11:
They are are tide to specific carrier, cause they only have the nexus s for TMobile and not for any of the other carriers.
[Nexus One General] mp1963:
Not sure that is correct. I can buy a Nexus S in the UK and its not tied to any carrier. Its totally sim free and unlocked.
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
Well T-Mobile is the only carrier that lets you buy unsubsidized, off contract phones. So despite being limited by the almost universally terrible US carriers, Google is trying to give our phones some freedom. I too hope they succeed.
[Nexus One General] ajorg:
Until we can get a phone that supports all 3G frequencies and modulations we don't really have a phone that isn't locked to one carrier. What's the point of using my T-Mobile N1 on AT&T if 3G won't work?
[Nexus One General] andynx1:
But it's £500 or $750! I'm in the uk as well, and have the only nexus 1 I've ever seen.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
It's £429 now.

I've never seen another Nexus One in the wild either, although I know there is a local guy with one as I've spoke to him over Buzz a few times.
[Nexus One General] stonec11:
My point exactly! With only T-Mobile support, how many nexus s they can sell to make a profit, specially when T-Mobile have collection of high end phones more attractive to regular consumer than the nexus s. to me they have more nexus one out there than the nexus s, and to wait for more nexus s sales before updating the nexus one if that truly the case is plain stupid of them with only one carrier support.
[Nexus One General] Hollow.Droid:
Do us UK guys have a 1 year warranty or 2? Just bought a 2 month old nexus one, can't wait to have a fully functioning N1 again :)
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
We get 2 years in the UK :D
[Nexus One General] Hollow.Droid:
Great stuff! At least if anything goes wrong with this Nexus One i'm covered :D
[Nexus One General] Matterhorn:
I think Google has discovered that 2.3.1 Gingerbread has many bugs (I've experienced them on a NS) and they are reluctant to do an OTA update to the Nexus One base until they are fixed, which is fine with me. It is also possible that Google did a deal with Samsung to not release the OTA until after CES so that all of the tech geeks can't compare the N1 against the NS, which could prove to be quite embarrassing to Google because the NS isn't really an upgrade, some functions are better some are not as good as the N1.
[Nexus One General] mp1963:
Other UK N1 owners ...

I have one :-) which proves (possibly) that there is cultured sentient life in Wolverhampton :-)
[Nexus One General] andynx1:
Ha! That made me laugh..
[Nexus One General] andynx1:
It did say 2 years for the uk. I wonder why, and... I wonder if HTC will honour the 2 years?
[Nexus One General] ajorg:
The UK probably has laws that *gasp* protect the consumer.
[Nexus One General] yunlin12:
Exactly my point, so what is Gingerbread going to do for my N1? Nothing that would help with its biggest problems IMO.
[Nexus One General] Thomasmorf:
What's your name on Buzz, Rusty? :D
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
http://www.google.com/profiles/115636365560030907138#buzz
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
Someone wanted to know how does the NexusS sales look like.

Here it is, 0.4% of the total active android devices so far:

http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html

Let's try to estimate those 0.4% in units. gartner tells us something about 20mln android units sold worldwide in Q310. Q210 was 10mln units, Q1 5mln. Q4 data is not available yet, but I suppose it will be better than Q3, so let's assume some 25mln.

This would sum up as 5+10+20+25=some 60mln devices sold worldwide in 2010.

Plus another ~7mln of "vintage" pre 2010 devices, since most of them running <2.x (except droid) which are just slightly above 10%.

(Edit: just found at the http://mobilephonedevelopment.com/archives/987 : Total 2009 android sales were 6.7mln devices)

Which brings us to the total market of 67000000 units comprising the 100%.

And 0.4% would be something like 268000 units.

This is A LOT, even if I miscalculated somewhere. Honestly, I expected something around 10 times less. It is scary.
[Nexus One General] G0belet:
This is of course assuming 100% of this Android ecosystem accessed the market in the past 2 weeks.
[Nexus One General] :
I'd say alot of those gingerbread devices are actually ports for other devices and not just nexus s.
[Nexus One General] hunterp:
Has Anyone received 2.3 OTA on their Nexus One?
[Nexus One General] Kimd41:
If someone did, this forum would be spammed with "I GOT IT!!! ;)
[Nexus One General] Binusz:
Yeah! all we are waiting for it. :)
[Nexus One General] mrbkkt1:
I've come to accept that google is trying their best to abandon the n1.they are hoping that we all either break our phones or just buy new ones. I wouldn't be surprised if they waited til after the warranty expires for the bulk of us that bought in january last year before releasing gingerbread.
[Nexus One General] :
At this rate, they'll probably skip 2.3 and go straight to 2.4(not honeycomb).
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
Gingerbread should bring a number of improvements, but you can't fix hardware with software. You can improve upon already good software, though, and that is what Gingerbread will do. That's what ANY OS update should do. If you're expecting an OS update to give you a new phone.... you should probably just go buy a new phone.

Really dude? You think that it's a conspiracy on Google's part to force us to abandon our N1s for a plastic phone with a curved screen?

All, can we please tone down the whiny drama? At least until some other phone gets an OTA ahead of us? Until then, the N1 has not been forgotten. It should still be at the head of the line to receive the 2.3 OTA.
[Nexus One General] mrbkkt1:
I wouldn't say conspiracy as opposed to smart business. Many tech blogs called it a failure, and google is trying to distance itself from that.

Don't be surprised if multiple platforms get the ota around the same time. I mean a mt3g is already running 2.2.1 same as nexus 1.

I'm on my 3rd N1 and this one has wifi issues.

Basically, google fought the networks, and lost.
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
Smart business? That sounds like something that is almost entirely unlike smart business. The N1 didn't sell well but it was widely considered to be a very good phone. Do you really think while they are trying to sell a new Nexus phone it would be a good idea to make it look like the phone will be abandoned after only a year? The regular updates of the N1 have been one of its biggest benefits.

It's certainly possible that the N1 gingerbread update has been delayed for marketing reasons. Or it's also possible that gingerbread for the NS was rushed out the door before Christmas. What is not likely is that it has been abandoned and that some carrier phone will get an update first.
[Nexus One General] G0belet:
I still think it has to be delayed because of last minute software issues. I don't see how not updating the current dev phone (sold as such on Google's website) makes any sense. You could argue that since the Nexus S has an unlockable bootloader it could also be used as a dev phone, but as long as Google keeps the N1 as the current dev phone on their website, they still need to, and are going to update it asap.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
just think of all the google engineers who still have a nexus one because they are on ATT. no way is every google employee on tmobile. so i'm positive a lot of them still use the n1 and will support it.
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
Many blogs in general called the N1 a failure; most of the smarter tech blogs called it a great success. The N1 accomplished its goal of encouraging other manufacturers to step up to the plate and push out some bad-ass Android phones. Sure, the phone has its flaws - but what phone on the market doesn't? Even the NS is riddled with Gingerbread-related bugs - which (crazy thought) could be a contributing factor for why we haven't gotten an official update yet.

And isn't the MT3G running Sense? I know that at least my fiancee's MT3G came that way, before we loaded CM up on there. Which means the update via HTC will be delayed behind the Google update. There were a lot of phones running the same version of 2.1 before we got the Froyo OTA before anyone else. I don't see how that's relevent.
[Nexus One General] canadariot2312:
It had vanilla android upon launch (released after G1 and no manufacturers would skin android), but I am sure that it got updated to get sense.
[Nexus One General] mrbkkt1:
Usually big companies like google use 1 company for their wireless. I would make an educated guess that it is tmobile
[Nexus One General] TheMan42:
MT3G doesn't use sense at all, however the slide does.
[Nexus One General] KROMO50:
So Nexus S does not run on T-Mobiles "4g". Sticking with my N1
[Nexus One General] slowz3r:
AHHH i dont know what I want to do..only reason I want to get it is because the Support for the device
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
Here's a shot of the new text selection. Finally. But man, talk about amateur hour on the graphic design work. That whole shot looks awful.
[Nexus One General] Xel'Naga:
Yeah, so far it doesn't look like anybody's gotten one yet. I've yet to see a single report of it, and I've been stalking forums/Twitter/Reddit all morning.
[Nexus One General] KidTech:
I cant watch the Youtube video, from school for some reason. So can anyone tell me if they changed the U.I for the music player. Like they showed it at the Froyo event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dttyQo3BPrk
[Nexus One General] jacindc:
It's not in the video, but I don't think it's changed. There's a graphic equalizer in the overall phone settings now, though. (And bass boost.)
[Nexus One General] jm9843:
Not yet, it's the same old music player. They must be holding it back to coincide with the roll-out of the Google Music service.
[Nexus One General] touchpro247:
Downloading the SDK now... Will see what I can find.
[Nexus One General] cormyn:
That's disappointing. The rest of the hardware seems pretty decent though.
[Nexus One General] PrawnPoBoy:
I think the new changes look good. Care to go into some detail about what you don't like?
[Nexus One General] Das1987:
@retomeier:

Not sure where Engadget is getting their reports. The Nexus One OTA isn't happening just yet - should be coming in a few weeks.
[Nexus One General] ewooding:
Where is that from?
[Nexus One General] co.ag.2005:
that engadget link no longer works. they must have seen their error if this is the case
[Nexus One General] jacindc:
Hah. Engadget took down their post about the OTA.

I'm pretty sure they goofed like this during the Froyo rollout, too.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Reto Meier, an Android dev.
[Nexus One General] Scridgeon:
For the most part it's a standard Galaxy S. Disappointing that the N1 set the standard for high end Android when it was released and the NS is using a current (soon to be dated) phone. :-/
[Nexus One General] tech338:
Appears they pulled down the story about OTAs rolling out.
[Nexus One General] BrotherG:
Nexus Ones external engineering is far Superior to the Nexus S. I for one am not jumping ship.
[Nexus One General] L0cke:
Hmm, well for me I think the text selection images look like pieces of cardboard and frankly look horrible. The rest looks okay, but I wouldn't say it's massive UI overhaul. It's nothing that hundreds of themer's on here couldn't do.

Just my opinion of course :)
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Awesome, can't wait for it!!
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
Ah, I was thinking of the Slide. Good catch, thanks.
[Nexus One General] canadariot2312:
They do have the most Android devices and the most vanilla (or close to vanilla) Android devices. Next to Verizon, they are the most pro-Android carrier in the US.
[Nexus One General] Matt1408:
I doubt every Google employee is forced to using a Nexus S on T-Mobile. This is not Apple we are talking about.
[Nexus One General] ranch99:
Apple employees tell me that the company doesn't care what phone they use. And my friends at Google tell me that a lot of them use their iphone sim card and stick it in the Nexus. They don't have 3G but it doesn't matter because they're usually on wifi anyways.
[Nexus One General] sockan87:
I have stopped caring about gingerbread. They have killed the hype... Of course I will use out when it comes. Lets hope it will be 2.4 :)
[Nexus One General] canadariot2312:
So have I, but I want the black notification bar. Would really help with battery life.

The funny thing is that the second phone in the wild with Gingerbread isn't even vanilla android.
[Nexus One General] elmerendeiro:
Really??? You really think the black bar will help battery life??? Is like 1/20 of the screen man you won't notice ANY difference...
[Nexus One General] canadariot2312:
Maybe a little because AMOLED in general sucks with whites. I usually get more than a full day because I have an extended battery.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Yeah... maybe a VERY little... but for you to claim that you want GB because of the black notification bar is kinda silly. It will not make a noticeable difference. The main reason Google made it black in GB is to give Android a more cohesive appearance. You can root and change your notification bar to black right now if you want.
[Nexus One General] ajorg:
Really? I assumed they did it because AMOLED screens get burned in if the bar is white. I know mine is burned.

And I have to agree the black bar is a big draw for me. That and the EAP bug.
[Nexus One General] kwanying:
I thought white save more battery cause the lcd dont have to display anything just let the backlight or led light pass thru. Sony's battery saving wallpaper is usually all white too.
[Nexus One General] volsey:
The amoled in the N1 is different than a regular LCD. Every pixel emits it's own light, this is why the blacks look much deeper on the amoled when compared to an LCD. Black = no need for light, and therefore less energy.

As for GB adding in the black bar, probably for a few reasons:

-Gingerbread has shifted to a darker, mainly black theme, and the black notification bar goes well with this design

-Burn in on the amoled screens is fairly common, and a black bar reduces the chance of this (though the icons will burn in still)

-While power consumption will be reduced slightly, I doubt this was reason for the change, still my screen consumes about 60% of my battery (battery info). I'd say a ~3% decrease in power consumption due to the black bar is a welcome change.
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
Some of the later N1s have an LCD, maybe that's what kwanying has.

I like the darker theme for the sake of my eyes. All the useless bright white is blinding if you use your phone in the dark. The less the better.
[Nexus One General] arkavat:
No N1 have LCD. All N1s are AMOLED.

@canadariot2312,ajorg

If blackbar is the only thing you are looking forward to, there are plenty of themes and ROMs with blackbar available.

e.g.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=714184
[Nexus One General] Pyrazol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUF4dLVdFKc
[Nexus One General] Rod3:
Hate to burst your bubble, but there are LCD N1's. Due to the AMOLED shortage, some newer and repaired N1's came back with LCD. Just search for N1 LCD and you will see what I mean.
[Nexus One General] maxppp:
Yep, I have a comparitively new N1 and it has an slcd screen. Its no biggie.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
nope. cause i had a Nexus One with AMOLED and SLCD and even wrote an comparison article about it...

http://smartphoneblogging.com/2010/09/nexus-one-slcd-vs-nexus-one-amoled-showdown-which-screen-technology-is-better/

I prefer Nexus One SLCD by a BIG margin cause i hate those pentile fuzzyness when displaying text and sharp edges.

Luckily the new super amoled plus displays finally got rid of the pentile matrix nonsense.
[Nexus One General] arkavat:
Oh! so I was wrong! hmm... well it has happened once before :P

Yeah! I am quite eager to look at the Super AMOLED plus. Looks very promising.
[Nexus One General] canadariot2312:
Actually I just want Gingerbread to see the improvements made from Froyo (apparently they were very minor and mostly aesthetic). I don't really like the keyboard (too small and the top row is such a waste of space) than again, I prefer using the Swype method. I can wait for the OTA or I can root.
[Nexus One General] davados:
The difference is very minor I'm running alpha CM7 which is based on 2.3. In my view gingerbread was just another selling point for the nexus s apon its release. The only feature I like and use is the text selector. It's not worth rooting for 2.3, its only worth rooting for custom roms.
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
What do you mean rooting is not worth it? Rooting is free. If something is free it can't be not worth it.