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[Desire HD General] pushnoi:
Ok, so I just switched from iPhone 3G => Desire HD. Pro's so far:

* Options - options - options; nerds - go for Android, you'll just keep on tweaking it (on the other hand, if you don't like fiddling around with it and you're used to iOs, just stay with iOs).

* It's hellafast, yes it is.

* Finally - something new. iOs is great, but let's face it - after 2 years of using the same OS you want something new, right?

* It feels more free (obviously because the apps aren't restricted by the regime of the Apple Store :)), which is great, even more options (though it can also get to be a bit too much though)

Cons:

* What's up with all the commercial banners? Every free App has them, which is ok, everybody has to make money - but why so friggin big? They're just plain annoying. I guess I'm going to have to edit the hosts file in the near future.

* Where's push notifications? Sure - Gmail synchronises instantly, but what about facebook?

* What's up with the contact center.. it just tries to integrate every social media app into the main contact center... really annyoing. Also - it sometimes does it twice.. say you have the 'normal' facebook app installed, but also the HTC Sense version, it'll try to 'connect' both.. ugh.

* It's friggin branded. Ugh. Idiotic dutch Vodafone. And especially stupid since I asked them if it was going to be, and they denied. Anyway - I'll try the goldcard option this weekend. See how that goes.

That's it for now... I realize I still need to 'grow' into Android - after all, I've only been using it for 1 day now... I'll keep you posted =)
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
or pay for the apps

buy sim free, or unbranded, if you where told it would be unbranded and it's not that false representation, you can send it back (at least in the UK)

enjoy

Just a personal observation made whilst finishing my christmas shopping, down town we have a lot of these cash converters type stores, many sell second hand phones, all the android phones and the newest one there was a Samsung Galaxy S, looked well used and slightly worn, whilst the iPhones which out numbered them at least 4 - 1 where shiny and unused and in many cases hadn't even had the shipping films removed. Suggests the apple sales may be stacked with a lot of people who take the iPhone because it's hip with the aim of reselling it? Only other up to date phones there appeared to be Nokia N8's nod DHD's or even N1's
[Desire HD General] henv:
I'm living in the Netherlands too and I bought the dhd at a Vodafone store and I asked if the phone was unbranded and they power on the phone to show me. After that they show me its wasnt sim locked then I bought it.

onTopic: I had good experiences with there support. Last year my blackstone wouldnt boot anymore. Called HTC 2 days later phone was picked up. 5 days later I got it back repaired. 2 weeks ago my brother called HTC because his sim cover of his dhd was loose. Week later new sim cover with the mail. Now it seemed his internal speaker is broken. He called today phone is picked up tomorrow.

Sent from HD2
[Desire HD General] pushnoi:
Ok, so I think a little update is in order. I've had the time to get used to Android and I can honestly say: I love it. I've come accross a couple of seriously crazy good apps, and I especially love the true multitasking. Because let's face it - iOs is lacking majorly on that subject, even with the new so called multitasking option in iOs 4+.

Also, push notifications seem to be picked up more and more. The Facebook App supports it now. That App seemed to have gone through some major development lately. Probably because Zuckerberg is using an Android-powered device now as well.. Obviously the battery is exhausted pretty quick, and I doubt that's going to be much better after some more use + calibration.. but we'll see. I also made a official complaint @ Vodafone NL, asking if my DHD can be exchanged for a non-branded version... we'll see how that goes.

Anyway - my initial doubts about switching to Android have disappeared completely. I still think however - if you're not the type of person to go fiddling around with your phone, stick with iPhone. For everybody else: don't think about it - just make the switch =)
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
congrats for the switch, however the battery does improve after calibration

if your willing to root buzz kernels improves battery life, also they improves smoothness by a nice margin

finally if you like to take photos the DHD can do great stuff, check my guide here :) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=875230
[Desire HD General] makbil:
Do you really believe this? If you look from a production point of view, not changing a design means no expenses, so Apple makes more money on a new design without even improving the basic device too much. Changing from a metal back cover in 2G to a plastic one, cheaper -> more $$ for Apple. Being an engineer, it amazes me how Apple manages to advertise several year old technology as just invented by them and the consumers buy this! Facetime (limited to wi-fi)...wow... Video calls over 3G has been around for ages and people believe Apple just invented this wonderful new feature.

I understand why Apple has become so popular and probably will be one of the major players for some time to come, they are advertising wizards and the name "iPhone" has become something of a fashion statement. Most iPhone users don't have a clue as to the technical specifications of the device and have little or no interest in molding the device to their own use, they are content with what they get and think that is leading edge technology- well, you can't want something if you don't know it exists.

Granted, currently there are more applications available for the iPhone but I see this changing rapidly. I have a few applications I use on my 3GS and most of them have come up with Android versions. The developer of the last crucial application I need is planning to make an Android version coming spring for which I have volunteered to be a beta tester, then its goodbye iPhone.

Android is still an infant as operating systems go, give it a year or so and I am pretty sure it will overtake iPhone.

Really? Just try to install some of the more popular applications/games and you will notice that they are for 3GS/4 only, 3G not supported.

About the frequent updates Apple provides, are they really improvements or part of the cat & mouse game they play with the jailbreakers? If improvement is so important, why did it take Apple 2 years to implement the cut/paste feature which should have been there to begin with?

In principle I agree with you there but I'm going to word it in a slightly different way.

If you are comfortable with what you get on an iPhone, are not bothered by the "Steve Jobs" rules & limitations, don't feel the need to customize, availability of some specific application is more important than other factors and are non-technical and fashion conscious, then iPhone will not bother you.

At the end it is a personal choice. None of us has the right to tell others what phone they should use. The best phone for me may not be the best phone for someone else.

Edit: One thing I should mention: I almost never play games on my phone, so availability of any games application is not relevant for me. Messaging, music (including FM radio) & video and the availability of some applications is important for me.
[Desire HD General] pushnoi:
Yeah, I might go and root the phone, but not just yet - I haven't grown tired of the default firmware nor do I think it underachieves.... yet =)

Tnx for the guide, very interesting!
[Desire HD General] marvi0:
Mkabil if you are comfortable with what you get on an iPhone, are not bothered by the "Steve Jobs" rules & limitations, don't feel the need to customize, availability of some specific application is more important than other factors and are non-technical and fashion conscious, then iPhone will not bother you.

i totally disagree with you, the work those guys on the jailbreak scene, are doing right now, is unbelivable, the number of tweaks, apps, mods, on that jailbreak scene, have blown me out, and i must admit, once jailbroken, my iphone, can do basically anything and everything, and yes apple, can put into place restrictions, on video calls being done, via wifi, but those guys on the jailbreak scene, always, counter apple. However, i must admit jailbreaking, is not everyone,s cup, but its worth it, and remember, its easier to jailbreak, than to root, cause am not very much technically minded, but have been able to jailbreak, each iphone i have had, provide the jailbreak, is available, however, i found it hard, to root the 1st desire, with all, those gold cards, adb shells etc, iphone, is my way.
[Desire HD General] makbil:
Yes, jailbreaking makes the iPhone much more usable and those guys really are good but even with jailbreaking, iPhone is nowhere as customizable as an Android device. I always jailbreak because there is no call filtering application that works and you can't even slightly customize on a non jailbroken device. That is what I meant with the cat & mouse game. I used my DHD for a full week before rooting (I just wanted to see how it was done, didn't really need to) which goes to show that you can easily live with an Android device without rooting whereas we all know how limited a non jailbroken iPhone is. The ease of jailbreaking depends on the OS version, it could be as simple as just running a script from a web page or as complicated as building a custom ROM to flash.

I think you are confusing unlocking with rooting on an Android device, you don't need a gold card etc. unless you have an operator locked device. I can root/unroot my DHD at will, simple as running a program. Unlocking an iPhone is just as tricky, if not more, once you make a mistake with upgrading the baseband, you may not be able to unlock for quite sometime (Jailbreaking is much easier than unlocking)

I'm not advocating for or against any phone but let's get the technical facts straight. Eventually it is up to you to choose which device to use.
[Desire HD General] pushnoi:
Dude, seriously, what's up, with all, the commas?
[Desire HD General] veej:
Actually there is only one reason for me to buy the DHD and that is thee screen size. I had a Desire Z initially but switched to the DHD because it is much easier to read the bigger screen. In fact, I also bought a Galaxy Tab after tasting Android and sold the iPad. I like the ability to customize to the exactly shave I want.
[Desire HD General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
1- we both agree that steve job sucks. and only apple tards love him for a reason i really dont understand but whatever. to each has his own.

2- yes i do actually believe in what i said about not changing the hardware design of the phone every 2 years. yes i do understand that apple is getting away with it and getting more money. but its also good enough for me not to spend money on a phone every 6 months.

if i bought a 3G, i will skip the 3GS, and get i phone 4. thats 2 years with one phone. if i bought a 3Gs, i skip 4 " since both run the same things unless u want a better screen and front facing camera that i never used but anyway " and get iphone 5.

hell. even if i want to switch my phone every 1 year. its still better than buying a Nexus S today or DHD. just to find in Feb there is LG star with duel core processor and Tegra 2 from Nvidia video card. or buy Sony playstation phone whatever.

3- yes i do understand that there are 1 % of the new applications doesnt run on 3G. but what are those games ? i can count them with the fingers in my both hands . mainly games. thats not so bad comparing to " i cant run flash if i am on 2.1" or "there is no multi task between 1.6 to 2.1 there is"

iphone 3G is 2 years old. go back to android 2 years ago. and lets compare. who really got more f*** in the @$$.. an android user from 2 years ago or iphone 3G user. i am sure you see where i am going with this. :)

also. like you said. its a matter of personal taste. i love android. i know what advantages it has over Ios and vise versa. so it comes back to what do you really want.

4- for the IOS updates. i say both. cat and mouse and improvments. there is no single update since the iphone was released and it was only a " security update " there is always something else with it " i hate the fact they like to close the jailbreak. but knowing that people are downloading paid apps for free through some Apps, then i would understand why apple is trying to lock the phone.
[Desire HD General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
its exactly an iphone vs android on a bigger screen.

my advise is wait for the updates for both systems. there is new ipad coming. and i am sure a newer android tablet that will actually run the new OS.

i think it was shown in the event D: dive for mobile a week ago or so. and its stunning.

buying Tab or Ipad today is really not worth it unless ur traveling day after tomorrow and you dont want to carry your laptop.

i think you should wait if you just want to buy one to "complete" your setup.

also. i think the Tab screen is a little small for to enjoy watching movies on it. specially if i want to add subtitles. since i watch alot of anime like naruto, bleach, japanese movies. then i want to read the subtitles. and on the tab they are too small for me to enjoy it.
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
1. There is no doubt Apple's business model is bad for the industry, but there are still that think of Jobs as some kind of guru and not just another business man.

2. I can't see why developing hardware is a bad thing for the consumer. If you always want to stay on the top, there is always a price to pay. But if you can live with a little older hardware (and I see that you can from what you are saying for the 3GS and the 4). The good side of those is that when Apple releases it's dual-core iPhone they will market it like the first dual core phone ever (maybe the fine print will say "ever made by Apple that is") and the price tag will be also dual-core ;). If you get a dual-core Android a year after the release of the firs one (still the top dual-core at the time) the price will be less.

About the design - I personally think iPhones are ugly (I might be design-challenged who knows ?!?) because of all the space that's wasted above and below the screen. It's a screen phone - it should use as much area as it can for the screen. My old Touch HD did and my DHD does.

3. I see your point. Well, I

saw

your point until you chose to add Flash to the equation. Why? It could be anything. Why it had to be Flash?

And I don't really understad what you mean by comparing 2 years old software? If you ment to show us that Android is developing faster than iOS, then yes, it is.

4. There were no "pure" security updates because noone would install them. Would you trade the jailbreaking for nothing? Well, if you want copy/paste, then you have to install our update. BTW, it will re-lock your phone to be used as we want. To use it as you want, you'll have to wait.

I can understand the "need" for Apple to lock the system from the sw piracy point of view. But as you know if there is a will, there is always a way.
[Desire HD General] EuropeNintendo:
Well I just wanted something new. I grew tired of the iOS and its boring app upon app springboard so I decided to go for an Android phone. I'm very glad that I chose the Desire HD <3

Funnily enough, a Jailbroken iPhone is pretty much Android stock. So you can just imagine how much more can be be done on a droid phone... :D
[Desire HD General] makbil:
This discussion is pretty much deadlocked with each person sticking to their opinion, which is fine. That is the way it should be, diversity is always good.

However, I need to mention one thing that hasn't been brought up. Are you guys aware that Apple has the ability to delete stuff from or lock any iPhone they want whenever they want? To be fair, Apple has not used this feature until now but it is there and there is no way to disable this on stock firmware. This is different than HTCSense where you can lock your own device if you want. You have no control on Apple's mechanism - if Steve Jobs does not like the way you are holding your phone he can lock it :) This bothers me a lot and the first thing I do when I jailbreak is to disable this feature.
[Desire HD General] MattSkeet:
I just got my DHD. Previously I had normal desire and it was a good phone but to me it had to many flaws.

As of iphone well.... never had it and never buy anything from apple. It feels lie you gone back to communism. Everything you do is controlled by someone.

The only advantage of iphone is the games. It wasn't apple that invented touch screen phone it wasn't apple that invented Hi-res screen and so on... all apple does is improving whatever is already on the market for fairly long time and signing under that it's their invention. Look at any other phones best example here is evo4g that phone was announced way before iphone 4 was leaked it had tathering, 4g front camera and many more.

Other problems with iphone is that without jailbreak you can't really do anything. You are stuck to something that is thick as pudding and can't "teach" it anything new.

However android isn't flawless either.

Updates are released every few months and manufacturers cannot follow which delays updates especially private carriers. Fragmentation is a huge issue but really if you buy a cheap phone don't expect much. The better the phone and more popular less stress you will have in terms of fragmentation. At the moment I can't see anything that won't work on my dhd and it's back and forward compatible and futureproof.

I'm sure it will handle 2.3 and 3.0 so for at least a year in sorted. Things like swiping the phone over something to pay or locate won't be that popular here in Europe for next few years. e.g 4g I doubt it will be in UK within next year.

Tbc
[Desire HD General] oliver7:
I chose for freedom - I chose for DHD. I didn't want to get "appled". And it was the right choice, I think. I was always tweaking my phones in the past; I want to make the best out of my phone. I never owned an iPhone. Was just playing a bit with it in stores. It was kinda boring.. There are no widgets? Btw. I'm using the iPhone keyboard. ;)

THE DHD IS AWESOME! :) Merry Xmas, y'all!
[Desire HD General] ste1164:
To OP the nexus s has been reduced to £420 if you want that instead of the DHD.
[Desire HD General] M_T_M:
Hello mates :)

I've spend the last 20 minutes cleaning this thread. please stay on topic and avoid saying offensive words. This is a family oriented site.

If this thread derails again...it will be deleted and the offenders will be dealt with accordingly.

Happy posting

M_T_M

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[Desire HD General] azlan96:
I have an Android HD2 and I find my friends who have iPhone 4's get girls attention better.

Planning to get an iPhone when my HD2 breaks down
[Desire HD General] MattSkeet:
Are you serious? But anyway DHD is sexier
[Desire HD General] MaybachMan:
Yeah I just saw that on Engadget! I have a dilemma now...
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
is it really a dilemma? inferior build quality, less sexy look and cheap plastic feel, smaller screen with pentile matrix, less RAM, no SD card reader, half working GPS, no 720p recording and worse camera/flash

the only pluses in favor of the Nexus S is smaller size/less weight (if its your preference), super amoled (if you don't mind the stupid pentile grid) and google updates ofcourse

the Nexus S is a rip off, people should tell this to google

HTC just finished updating all its European phones to Froyo and there is a final leaked 2.2.1 update for the DHD already

we are getting gingerbread soon
[Desire HD General] MaybachMan:
Yeah the hardware's not as powerful, but it's a Nexus, so you get the officially unlockable bootloader and all the updates really quickly.

I also hear Samsungs are more reliable than HTCs in terms of hardware faults, unless I'm mistaken.

However, it's still hard to resist HTC Sense, the 4.3 inch screen, the sexy body and the super powerful hardware on the DHD...
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
Never had any hardware faults on my HTC devices, not that I am denying they may exist, but Samsung do have memory issues with the sgs, BUT now we have NAND unlocking and rooting the official unlockable boot is immaterial IMO, I am assuming that the warranty issues still persist even if you officialy unlock the bootloader (as they do with the Nexus one)
[Desire HD General] MaybachMan:
TBH I need to play with both phones before I make a choice. I've played with a DHD before and was wowed by that screen and the sheer speed, but I have nothing to compare it to.
[Desire HD General] eozen81:
A good comparison video between Iphone 4 & Desire HD.

[YOUTUBE]JYyIYUsI-To[/YOUTUBE]

And as I hav egot experience with Iphone 3Gs and Desire HD (for about 15 days) my comments about Desire HD compared to Iphone :

General

- Volume buttons are so close to each other which causes you not make sure If you did what you want (increase or decrease). You always feel that you should see with your eyses that you pressed the correct one.

- Upper left Power button, that sucks. Not only it's a different concept but also it's so close to volume buttons as well. It's so likely that you accidentally press volume buttons when you try to press only power button and that makes you crazy.

- 3.5 mm jack under the phone, that sucks as well. Once you wear headset and want to play with your device vertically or horizontally it's always bothering you (especially on vertically times)

- 4 menu buttons are crapped once you try to do something on the screen, there so many times I accidentally pressed one of them and find my self on search or home screen.

- I have not seen any device which have got a terrible battery cover before. I start to pray not to break it every time I try to open.

Audio

- Everyone should accept that this phone's speaker sucks. It's not loud and not quality as well. I got my friends Iphone near my Desire HD and played same quality songs and played same games and Desire HD need so much way to jump.

- Music quality is crapped again. If you are on headset maybe you have a chance for an enough quality with SRS effects but without them quality is zero compared to Iphone.

- I am not even bothering to talking about EQ settings which are enable only when you are on headsets, they really really suck.

- Speaker on the back of the phone. I wonder who might have got that brilliant idea because it should be at the bottom or on the top of the device so that the user himself can hear that crazy low sound.

- FM Radio reception is too bad. FM Radio openning / closing time is so long. You have to use wired headsets (for antenna) to work FM Radio.
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
this is ridiculous....really man i don't what to tell you

lets just say i just opened my window and tossed my desire HD 25 stories down...

p.s. can i buy your desire HD for cheap and rid of your misery?
[Desire HD General] MaybachMan:
The guy in that video seemed more concerned with form over function, though to be fair he didn't act biased against the DHD at all and he said it was just his choice, so fair enough to him.

I'm prepared for Android not having the same level of polish that iOS has (though it's starting to catch up slowly), but I'm hoping I'll get used to the new UI fairly quickly and enjoy the phone. If not, then hey, I can always sell it and get an iPhone 4 anyway.

I've already got my 3GS up on eBay to fund my DHD, I don't think I'm allowed to post a link to the listing, but PM me if you want me to link you. My 3GS has the old bootrom, BTW.
[Desire HD General] :
That video was done on the old firmware as well, the phone is lightening and the battery life is amazing now...

Anyway you know what these Apple fanboys are like;)

JD
[Desire HD General] eozen81:
I wish I were near you and sell it already :p Do not yell at me that's only my thoughts, maybe it's because of my great expectations untill I get Desire HD but the truths are so for me.