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[HD7 General] alabij:
Hey! have you run any comparisons to see if there was a radical difference in battery life. From what I gather with a dark background theme the difference in battery is minimal but with the light which I use there would be a significant difference.
[HD7 General] unlockMe:
If you do not play games or watch your email 10,000 times a day there is not going to be a significant increase in battery use, but if you do you may shorten to just the 8 hours of business hours.

Anyway the screen is absolutely great, that was the reason I wanted the HD7 compared to these over saturated color phones which look great when you see a demo but you get quickly bored by the non-natural feel of the colors. the HD7 is very natural, has a good viewing angle (I don't think anyone plans on looking it at more than like 20-30 degrees on the side and still is very readable.

the size, the quality, the good sensitive touch (sometime maybe a little too sensitive) that's the best screen around.
[HD7 General] carmeng4evr:
It is a bit bland to me however

i have been using a Samsung Captivate for so long

that anything non Super Amoled

is just...dim
[HD7 General] efjay:
I still have the HD2 and had the HD7 and did 2 comparisons. First I loaded Transformers from the HD2 on to the HD7 and put them side by side and compared the images. No discernable difference. Second comparison was with a Samsung Focus screen at an at&t kiosk. There's no other way to say it, the HD7 screen looked like complete rubbish, dull screen, dim colours. On its own the HD7 might seem impressive, but put it up against the Focus or any other modern screen (like on the iphone) and the absolute crappiness of the screen is abundantly clear. There's just no contest when it comes to the screen quality, and when you consider that HTC's WP7 devices are the least well regarded for various reasons (with the HD7 going so far as to have the same camera bug as the HD2 did) I dont think there's any doubt that HTC didnt put much effort into their WP7 lineup and its no surprise the screen is not well regarded. As good as WP7 is, the HD7 is not a comparably good device.

After doing that screen comparison with the focus I returned mine today and ordered a Dell Venue Pro for the same price.
[HD7 General] jessej:
I actually think that the screen quality is pretty good when compared to the majority of LCD based phones. I don't have a lot of experience with oled but look forward to comparing the on order venue pro against my HD7. I have played extensively with my friends galaxy s phone but do not own one.

I do notice some motion blur while scrolling quickly with certain color schemes though. I also recommend setting the screen brightness to medium. I have not experienced a noticeable amount of battery difference with moderate use but there is a noticeable improvement in quality. The auto brightness of this phone is one of the dimmest I have ever seen. Overall I would give it around a 7.5 with the Pioneer Elite 111 as my reference in the background.
[HD7 General] carmeng4evr:
You just said it yourself...You used

"Super Amoled" on the Focus and retina display on iphone 4

I have both a mytouch 4g(that i am returning) and

a HD7 and i notice nothing majorly different

As well as a Droid X that a colleague has....Not a big difference
[HD7 General] alabij:
http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-hd7-vs-samsung-focusdaylight-performance/

Check out this video comparison
[HD7 General] JoePR31:
I have an HD2, a Vibrant, and the HD7. The Vibrant's Super AMOLED screen looks much nicer due to the superior colors, unbelievably deep blacks, and great viewing angle range. That being said, the HD7 screen is nowhere as bad as some people are making it out to be. In fact, its not bad at all.

The HD2 and HD7 screens are supposed to be the same, but a direct comparison reveals a few differences. The HD7 has a somewhat better viewing angle range...and better colors than the HD2 screen...as long as you're looking at it from a fairly direct angle. The weakness of the HD7 screen is that the colors quickly start to look washed out as you go angling the screen away from your eyes. But, the touch response of the HD7 is much better than on the HD2, and nearly as good as on the Galaxy S phones.

Take into account the inherent benefits of a 4.3" screen, the awesomeness that is WP 7...and the sheer sexiness of the HD7, and my Vibrant has found itself collecting dust since I bought my HD7 a week ago.
[HD7 General] YannieBoy:
I hate the Compare this phone to that phone arguement. I picked the HD7 because I picked it. I could careless if another phone has this and that. I find the screen amazing and it works for me. My buddy has the Focus and while the screen seemed more "bright" I still found the HD7 more natural instead of forcing the colors to be bright, but that's my opinion.

All in all, all that matters is if your happy. Before the Retina/S AMOLED screen, this type was the best, doesn't mean that it's the worse now, just different.
[HD7 General] bofett:
No I didn't. I already sold my HD2, wish I had compared more though :-( I wouldn't go back to the HD2. I really like my HD7.
[HD7 General] JoePR31:
I would say that my HD2 has slightly better battery life...but it is running a highly optimized custom rom. I'm pretty sure that my stock HD7 gets somewhat better battery life than my HD2 did when I was running it stock.

One thing I've noticed, though....my HD7's battery seems to charge slower than the battery of any other smart phone I've ever owned. Anyone else notice this...or am I imagining things?
[HD7 General] Creka:
Strange that you don't compare products before buying, quite unusual.
[HD7 General] VizagDude:
Is this the only thing that you got out of his post?
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
come on, when u buy a device, do u only buy it because it has a good screen????

when u buy HD7 what other device can u compare with?? all of them are 4 inch or less right now, dell venue pro there are many things u will have to worry about, delay in launch, called the Dell Malaysia sales ppl they have no clue what is Venue pro, they are busy launching the streak... so HD7 was the best bid for me..

there will never be a perfect device for every one... NEVER EVER, some thing will be missing...

when i buy a device i will look for the whole pacakege and for HD7 i bought it because of the HTC hardware and the WP7 OS, it has the biggest screen for a WP7 device, as i have always used a physical keyboard i bought HD7 so the on screen keyboard will be big and its is... the SLCD screen is great....

**** Nexus S the GOOGLE Phone will use SLCD as well insted of Super AMOLED....***
[HD7 General] corleno:
HD7 vs iPhone7

i have an iPhone and HD7

I use the iPhone for games and the HD7 for movies.

I always forund the HD7 better for viewing movies.
[HD7 General] FinalJenemba:
Well thats just not true. In the US and the UK its super amoled. Only in Russia is it getting an LCD.
[HD7 General] eternalemb:
aCtually, you just proved for him that it IS true; if only partially. Nice try though.
[HD7 General] eternalemb:
I might be the only person on here that isn't blind or biased as hell, but I don't see what people are talking about. I play with my wifes friends Vibrant all the time and I don't see how its so superior in peoples eyes. Its not bad and I won't be ignorant and ridiculous by calling it "crap" but its nothing special. It might have a bit more depth in color, but as far as dim screens go, that screen is WAY dimmer than my HD7s SLCD. And that's with the Vibrant's brightness at max and my HD7's on automatic (aka low-medium). Some of you seriously need to get glasses or get a non-Biased brain. Or maybe this is just another wind up thread..
[HD7 General] molten83:
Maybe I dont get it but isnt this a phone? Are you not supposed to hold it infront of you when using it or in this case sit in front of it(if using kickstand)? Why are people talking about viewing angles like you are watching a 50 inch TV? Just hold the damn phone in front of you and do whatever you want to do with it.

Every phone have its pros and cons and there is not a phone without faults. Do anybody remember when the Nexus One came out? There was a lot of complaints about it but now looking back people make it looks like the best Andriod phone or something.I think the screen on the HD7 is nice and not "bad" like some people keep saying. I went to a TMO store in looked at the Vibrant and the HD7 and they both look nice in its own way. I think the HD7 like natural while the Vibrant look a little to enhanced meaning too artificial when it comes to its colour reproduction. more like watching a TV with the colour cranked all the way up.

Just like someone posted earlier, to each his own.
[Streak 5 General] scaronscar:
this suck now at$t can't give me an unlock cod either they said they can't find it in the system.. my guess is because Dell can't find it either.... what I think happened is when they sent me out a new one it was a refurbished one and the tech never put it back in the system. so now I have Dell and at$t working on this problem.. both companies have case numbers now with this problem.....:confused: any comments are welcome
[Streak 5 General] lufc:
The only other thing i have heard about missing Tags is the Beta Steaks that were given out Apparently they have no recognised Service Tag:)
[General Questions and Answers] jimmiekain:
I have some interest in the new Samsung Nexus S. It will be launching on T-Mobile. I'm wondering how can I tell if it will work on AT&T? I'm trying to figure out how to tell which bands I need.

http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/tech-specs tells me that it runs on these bands.

Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900

Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700

HSPA type: HSDPA (7.2Mbps) HSUPA (5.76Mbps)

Does any of that equal full 2g / 3g support for AT&T? Also, how do you know?
[General Questions and Answers] skinien:
Someone in another thread posted that you won't get 3G support. Not worth it IMO.

On a side note, I wish google hadn't selected Samsung for the manufacturer of the new Nexus device. I hope the Motorola Olympus doesn't disappoint.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tallyphillips:
Hey guys what do I need to do before I format my sd card.

Its all filled up with useless garbage. And like 3different roms.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XfooYen:
Back everything from the sd to a folder on your computer. I prefer using an sd adapter to plug the card directly into the pc. Transfers will be faster that way. Format the card in the pc. It needs to be formatted as fat32. I would use a cluster size of 32k. Copy any needed files back to the card and pop it back in the phone. Done.

Swyped on my rooted MyTouch4G
[Nook Color Android Development] bugsy:
I use Calibre to modify formatting on epubs and with the nook color I would like to modify the background color to closely reflect the Sepia color scheme on the nook. This would give me the color scheme I like, but enable me to also get the formatting I like via the publisher default setting. I can modify the epub and get it to display fine, but it appears the Nook reserves the very top of the screen as a header and uses it's own color scheme for this, different than anything in the epub file. The attached screenshot captures it well. Does anyone know if it's possible to modify a setting on the Nook to either apply the color schemes to the publisher default setting or alternatively set this header section of publisher defaults to a color of our own choosing.
[Fascinate General] CNemo7539:
I do not want to upset anybody, just trying to get some understanding of the entire upgrade to a new OS version.

I'm a programmer myself, but on Windows platform and mostly do middle tier business server side apps. Do not know a thing about Linux and android. But had some java experience in the past.

I wonder why we cannot get Froyo so long? Ain't the sources open? Even if we do not have some drivers, these parts cannot change dramatically from version to version. Published API must be stable...

Is this about Dalvik JVM? But, I guess this must be in released ROMs for other phones in the line.

What's the deal? Will appreciate some explanation here.
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
Android is open source, but that is only the operating system and the kernel, but the drivers and RIL that make the device actually functional are the issue as far as I'm aware. From what I've read here and in IRC, Samsung gave us a hack-job RIL, which is causing many of the issues with getting an AOSP ROM fully compiled and working. I think there may be some driver issues as well to be worked out yet, but I feel those are less important than getting things like phone/data/messaging working. I'm guessing there are more technical reasons why they can't just get 2.1 or 2.2 built from source, but those are probably the big issues.
[Fascinate General] mexiken:
Honestly, it boils down to Samsung.

Put simply, they're crappy coders (as HTC once was many moons ago), or they're just hella lazy (I strongly believe its the former, given RFS and this RIL mess). Most companies are pretty crappy coders, but most of the time, it doesn't interfere with major things, like OS upgrades.

That, plus the lack of effort or support on Samsung's part, has me never wanting to buy another Samsung phone again, or ever recommending an Android phone from Samsung....

I'm gonna do my best to find in my next phone another quick processor with a nice super AMOLED screen and be done with Samsung, I've had enough, and I'm a very patient person....
[Fascinate General] CNemo7539:
What is RIL? Is this Radio Interface Library?

Is it linked into kernel or other module? Not extractable at all?

As I imagine it to myself, if it is some sort of dll or package, it shouldn't matter if we do not have source, because it's interface have to be already strictly defined. It doesn't matter if it is buggy. It should work with any android version.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. I have Dell Axim v50x and people already created ROM from scratch! However it doesn't have RIL. ;-)
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
if it could have been done, birdman would have done it already :)
[Fascinate General] soba49:
Well I think it's a valid question. Some might think it tedious or obnoxious, but absolutely valid. This is a development forum after all. The reason we don't have 2.2 isn't a hardware limitation, so it must be a practical one -- or yes it would be here.

But I'll just speak from speculation in the hopes that someone will correct me. For god sakes this is a development forum! We've got releases, we have fixes, we have patches, we have complaints, we have gossip. I'd love to see all the _development_ discussion I can get.

From a wider puzzle-piece perspective, I would like to know what is missing. We have working drivers. We have working hardware. We have full source from Google for the operating system. There are several other android phones on Verizon, a few even have Froyo. Sprint currently offers a CDMA Galaxy S phone (Epic) with android 2.2, and that phone possibly shares some hardware (though the WIMAX radio is totally irrelevant to us).

I'm not up to speed on exactly what the RIL is, or how it gets plugged into the android kernel. The RIL (Radio Interface Layer) is a software layer between android itself and the drivers controlling the phone hardware. Google provides some samples for a carrier to create one to govern communication on their network. I'd expect one issue of randomly hacking something like this, is if you are taking over your radio hardware's communications, then you have the capability of putting unwanted data on the network, which might even be criminal. Am I being extreme? So, perhaps we can't touch the RIL and need to wait for it to be spoonfed to us by those that bought the radio band from the FCC. Perhaps this code is inexorably married to particular hardware, unavailable for reading, or even encrypted. Maybe the primary limitation is the royal pain in the apricots that it is to inspect, decompile, and reverse engineer binary code.

But what if we could do something?

My understanding is the RIL is only a carrier-specific interface to the underlying hardware. Shouldn't it be similar between phones, even with wildly different hardware? Shouldn't its interface also be similar between close versions of android? The Droid 2 is a verizon phone with a RIL that does indeed work with Froyo. What I'd like to know is A) can another phone's RIL be extracted within the same carrier, and B) Being the abstract entity that it is, what prevents it from being married to the Fascinate's hardware base?

To be honest, I ardently believe a frank discussion (sans opinions, complains, problems, just productive discussion w/ a smattering of facts) BELONGS in the Development forum.

I'll stop here, in case this thread dies, as so many of mine do.
[Fascinate General] ksizzle9:
Jt1134, adrynalyne, and fallingup(angel12) are all very capable as well. This is solely the fault of none other Samsung.

Edit: to answer your question, i think that.the answer about RIL is no, although i dont have a good qualified answer about why the RIL from D2 cant be ported im sure that if it could have, it would have. Sorry thats not a better answer.
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
I don't know anything about how the RIL works, but I would assume that it could only be easily ported from one device to another if they were using the same chipset in the underlying hardware for the phone. I doubt you'd be able to take the Droid 2/X RIL, and take it to the Droid 2 Global or Droid Pro. Given that, I'm guessing that you can't really take a RIL from one phone and put it on another without extensive work, since most OEMs tend to use different hardware in their devices. From what I've heard, there is a semi-working AOSP build floating around, so the devs are trying, but Samsung's crappy source to work from is not making things easy for them.
[Fascinate General] ksizzle9:
There are actually some semi-working builds of aosp floating arpunfld but the last time I checked one out it was missing one thing that I consider to be kind of a biggie. It couldn't quite make calls. I'm sure they have it to make calls now but there is a reason its not out to the forums yet. I agree withstand nuts up there. Thanks you Samsung.
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
i believe there was still no radio at all in aosp, and the hope is that 2.2 can fill in the gaps
[Fascinate General] CNemo7539:
Wow, wow, wow!

Why do we need another phone RIL? Current one from SF at hand should do perfectly. Did Google changed something in android API related to a RIL? I don't know for sure, but never heard or read anything making me think they did it. Android should call RIL and that is set in stone. ALL calls signatures must to be known. Something new may be added, but it is not show stopper.

So, I still do not understand - is it not extractable or what?

Even if not and it is somewhere in protected memory, encoded or whatever, Froyo slapped on top must work, IMHO. And sources available. So, why we stuck waiting for Samsung?

I know, one may say - do it yourself if you are so smart... Once again, I just want to understand root of the problem. I probably can do something, because I have degree and experience. But, it will take me forever. From what I've tried and seen learning curve is very steep.

On the other hand, skilled developer might simply need fresh look at the problem... May be guys just hitting wrong wall?
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
is it possible? perhaps...but the 5 or so guys who really develop for this phone havent been able to get it to work....nor is aosp working 100% on any galaxy s phone
[Fascinate General] CNemo7539:
Response from developers?

Anyone?
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Yes, you know so much, we are waiting for you to fix it.

Hurry the hell up.
[Fascinate General] DigitalDementia:
Agree get your ass moving so we can have teh honeycombzzzz. Quit being such a lazy stingy jerk and get us our AOSP!
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
yes i was just pulling one dev name out for the heck of it :)

but i subscribe to the "if it could have been done, it would have been done"
[Fascinate General] CNemo7539:
I don't care what you did for community! But you behave like f****g jerk.

No real explanation for the rest of us? Stay on irc, we will survive without your comments here.
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
that may be a problem for those who just stay here as virtually everything is irc only these days...or the majority of it anyway
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
How many different ways do people need to say that "it's being worked on"? The devs are doing a lot of work on our device, but also working with other stuff, all in their free time. Follow the stuff they do on Twitter and github, or join in on IRC.

Attitudes such as your's are precisely why the devs have stopped posting stuff here. You act as though it's a simple process to do things, when it isn't, especially when Samsung gives you a crappy base to start from. The devs have to first get Samsung's source fixed and cleaned up, then start on whatever it is they want to work on, all while finding more bugs and issues that need fixed, primarily all stemming from the crappy source. If you want to be angry at someone, make it Samsung, not the few devs that are working on our device.

Sent from my StupidFast Voodoo Fascinate
[Fascinate General] CNemo7539:
As I said - I will survive. I'm OK even with not rooted stock.

Was it so difficult to answer what the real problem is? I don't know what is the problem with this generation? Do I need to be on FB, irc or whatever to get the answer? Why do not answer in place? Ain't it this forum purpose?

No, seems like I need to kiss somebody ass to get meaningful response these days... That way he can maintain his "super god" status.

I do believe I've been pretty polite stating my question, even though English is not my native language. What generated so much sarcasm?
[Fascinate General] CNemo7539:
You are so... I do not have words to express how differently my and your point of view are.

Attitude? Asking simple question is so bad attitude? Whats wrong with you?

If he simply tell me that we cannot do it because of this and this, I will be happy with that answer. But I do not see any constructive answers here.

And I cannot do irc. What's wrong with this?

They ask us do not ask same questions. Why they care to provide empty responses then?
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
You keep asking why, and people keep telling you that the devs are working on getting better ROMs and kernels for the device. We told you what the big issues are, and you keep asking why. The first page of posts explains things fairly well IMO, and it gives an idea of what the hold up is. Given that you don't seem to want to search for answers or research things yourself, you aren't going to find any help here. No one besides the developers knows when it will be working or an up to the minute status, and being unwilling to go to IRC is not going to get you the information any faster.
[Fascinate General] soba49:
As much as I would like to take out my bowl of popcorn and start crunching, there is nothing to be gained in a standoff. This ain't kindergarten.

The best thing that came out of the last two pages is, if you want to watch... use Twitter. At least that is something.

As far as looking at the problem at a high level and narrowing it down tangible pieces, well we'll have to keep exploring that issue.

In the mean time, here is a link to setting up a Froyo build environment for a Sapphire. Believe it or not, this comes from XDA!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=704561