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[General Topics] suhas_sm:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/google-nexus-s-hands-on/#3644047

Check pics number 45 and 46 :)

should clear your doubts :)
[General Topics] gogol:
Hi, thanks. That might be the answer.

But then, it shows that this Nexus S has only 1 GB of INTERNAL MEMORY :(
[General Topics] Spl4tt:
omg.. whats so bad about that?

u survived with 512mb internal memory on ur desire too right? :P + u have now secondary 16gb intern!! and u will never be able to expand them or exchange them!!

even now im thinking about buying this phone, but without a sd card slot its just a fail.. goddamn..
[General Topics] LeviathanPT:
He said on the video that they created a special partition inside the 16Gb module to "mimic" a SDCard and it will automatically if selected pull the applications into that partition, maybe thats the part that wont be accessible from the PC.
[General Topics] Spl4tt:
why the **** simulate/emulate a sd card when they could make a slot??? AAH >.<!
[General Topics] gogol:
Survived with the HTC Desire?

You meant "sacrificing"?

Sacrificing for not able to install many apps!!!

Well, 1GB might be a lot, I don't know. And I still don't know how this SD card emulation works.

Are we able to use ASTRO with it?

Are we able to side load an app?

Let's wait a proper review.
[General Topics] suhas_sm:
Its funny how everyone has their own set of preferences/worries. I can do away with 16GB of memory as I would never need more than it. Movies n Music can be swapped easily within matter of seconds. For me deal breaker could me lesser than 768 megs of ram. Video recording could b one but hoping u vl get it soon.

Atleast here I know the things I m gonna get will be usable to fullest as compared to other phones which gives u everything but problematic or unusable :( like dhd's poor speakers, battery life n sacrifices u have to make to get a full days heavy usage.

IMHO no phone is perfect, they vl never make one. This proves the same. We expected too much :( anyways googles purpose of pushing android has been served with nexus 1.
[General Topics] alphahere:
This phone will probably do well because it appears to be targeting the mass market and not developers. Anyway N1 didn't do well in the mass market for many reasons but not because of hardware.

Remember most folks in the mass market don't care about external sd, memory, etc. All they want is a very nice screen, easy to use and cheap. An example is a friend that brought an iphone then switch to evo and he was highly pissed he had to purchase a larger memory card to match the internal memory of his iphone. His exact words, "Sprint is ripping me off".

Anyway I suspect that this phone will be discounted in 2-3 months and selling well at the discounted price. What is funny is that the full price of the phone is nothing compared to the yearly costs of a full smartphone plan in the US. That point is lost on many folks because the initial cost of the phone is a bigger problem.

My 1 cent worth.
[General Topics] Phateless:
My understanding is that the internal storage will behave exactly like an SD card that cannot be removed. We should still be able to mount the phone via usb to transfer files and astro should still be able to browse with ease.

The only major issue I anticipate is that the phone will have to be up and running to transfer files, or at least recovery will be. Worst case things will be rough if you're caught semi bricked without recovery or fastboot.
[General Topics] blestsol:
Good job apple, I mean Google. Got that 32g version coming out?
[General Topics] Phateless:
By the way, I exchanged my phone last night due to dust under the screen but decided to stay with mt4g. This new one feels much tighter, especially the buttons, and overall I adore this device. Already got my ota and back in action.

Congrats tmo, you got me locked in for another two years and I'm happy. :)
[General Topics] Spl4tt:
lol. i see.. well 512mb were enough on my nexus one and hd2 till now.. but the moment has come that i expanded the 512mb to 1gb on my hd2 now.. 512 are really not that much

but probably google was a bit smarter than we thought and they added the 16gb to install more apps.. xD well, i hope so.

in the end FOR ME 16gb are enough. cause i have my cowon S9 for music, and the phone is only for phone things, probably some movies.. (wich will never be more than 10gb)

lets see if the battery is replaceable? cause im used to two batteries..
[General Topics] FPRobber:
It's exactly like a normal SD card. The only difference is that you can't physically take it out of the phone. The Galaxy S has an emulated SD too, you can access like a normal SD via USB, adb, file managers, FTP, etc.
[General Topics] Phateless:
That's what I figured, and really the most important part. I just find it obnoxious because I prefer popping the card into my laptop via sd reader as opposed to dicking around with cables.

Realistically though, I use Dropbox or Awesome Drop most of the time anyway.
[General Topics] Phateless:
Won't let me add a poll. There's another thread with precisely that poll anyway, so whatevs!
[General Topics] Hero Yu:
What a bloody fail google, I was ready to buy this phone. Really no sd card slot? Please fire the idiot who lets this go through. And why do uk buyers have to pay more than our U.S cousins??

Lets see what 2011 brings
[General Topics] Mr.Clark:
Not going to do well in the UK then. Seriously, $529 is less than £400, but it's being advertised at Carphone Warehouse for £549. That's not just taking the piss, that's a total rip off.

True, because not many people have that much money to splurge in one go. I was going to do it for the Nexus S, but the specs just don't justify the ludicrous price this side of the pond.

I'd probably get one of these if I could do it for £300, but anything more than that just isn't worth it. A dual core HTC 4" with a removable SD card and a gig of RAM. That might be worth £500.

But what you get in the Nexus S for this price is frankly a joke.
[General Topics] highlandsun:
No SD slot, sucks. No slide qwerty, not worth a 2nd look.

Still wondering wtf Samsung were thinking, only releasing the Galaxy S Pro for *1* carrier in the whole world. Massively disappointed, yes 2010 is a big year of letdowns in smartphones.

And personally, I think a *phone* ought to have physical Send/End buttons. Like my G1. I don't need a physical Search button, it's a freakin' phone fer chrissake.
[General Topics] orb3000:
Agree, too much noise for this...
[General Topics] RunNgun42:
Holy crap, no HSPA? I literally started chuckling when I read this. I was all geared up ready to buy this phone outright, because I simply *assumed* it had 4g. I mean good god, how on earth does it not? I'm speechless. Definitely deal breaker for me. Lack of SD card is slightly irritating but I dont mind so much.
[General Topics] Phateless:
I REALLY agree with you there! Kinda wondering if we can remap the home and search keys to send and end?
[General Topics] vbetts:
This seems like a trend going on now, first with Windows 7 phones, and now starting with Android phones. I don't usually care about having 16-32gb on my sd card, I'm fine with at the most 8gb. But what if I fill my 8gb up and actually need a bigger card? It would be worse if the lack of SD slot isn't there, but more like how Dell has done it and it breaks the warranty to change the sd card. Even more if it's a slower class! I've got a class 6 in my Evo and Epic now!
[General Topics] Phateless:
Whoa, whoa, whoa... WTF is this? Please elaborate.
[General Topics] vbetts:
I should have put that only on the Venue, but here's a link.

http://gadgetsteria.com/2010/11/10/swap-your-dell-venue-sd-card-void-your-warranty-wp7/

HTC is actually doing it too with a couple of their WP7 devices.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/08/htc-7-mozart-gets-its-microsd-card-swapped-but-only-after-an-in/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/29/htc-hd7-has-hidden-microsd-slot-user-replacable-card/
[General Topics] Phateless:
Wow... just wow... ::smh::
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
That's different though. The way WP7 OS is written, the memory card is used at all times for storage of system files. If you just pull it out/swap it, you'll cause big issues. To swap the card, you need to put in the new one and do a system wipe.
[General Topics] Phateless:
That's fine, they should put a note in the owner's manual and a warning on the phone, etc. But voiding the warranty? That's just retarded...

Agreed, we don't want people to do it on accident, but why the need to punish/prevent people who know what they're doing??
[General Topics] EleCtrOx666:
Hello ,

I have a little question. I Googled it but didn't find any answer!

Does this phone support multitouch? If yes, how many fingers can it handle ? Thanks!
[General Topics] AsgardCurse:
fun thread this.. loads of confused people thinking the Nexus S is supposed to be a flagship phone with best super duper hardware available.. ERRRR WRONG!!!

The Nexus brand of phones are developer phones, they are made so developers have something to develop for, if the developer phone got way better specs then the rest of the phones on the market, no phone will be able to run the programs the developers have made.

HSPA+ or 4G? Not important on a devphone, it's just "Internet connectivity" as EDGE or WIFI, it can connect too the net, and that's what it does.

Why a phone that is similar to the Samsung galaxy S? Well, there are 7 million Galaxy S phones out there, they are among the top phones now. They are the low end of what the next gen apps should run on.
[General Topics] addicus:
I call this pulling an Apple out of their ass!
[General Topics] Phateless:
This is the most intelligent answer I've heard yet. I can live with this reasoning.
[General Topics] EleCtrOx666:
I don't think that's completely true, why would they polish the design that way for developers? And make advertising for an developers phone?

I think Nexus One was clearly orientated developer with, for example, the distribution method. But Nexus S is orientated to the daily user.
[General Topics] Masterface7:
Wow so many post so little time, anyway I am an epic 4g owner and i was looking for new t mobile phones for my roommate.

The epic 4g back is not slippery at all, it is rubberized and very easy to hold.

The GPS problems with the galaxy s phones are very overstated. Yes there is a problem that Samsung should fix. Yes there is a single setting you can change on your phone for a permanent fix.

We can argue about the best button placement but i think we all agree the home button should always be one of the 2 middle buttons

I can't imagine going back to a phone without 4g and thus would never ever buy the nexus s or recommend the nexus s to anyone.

I think my epic has 512(303)Mb of ram and it has never once been a problem. At some point I think we need to hold the programmers/devs responsible for the kind of ridiculous and getting out of hand amount of ram that is being used.(I got by with 256 on windows xp and it never gave me any problems outside of trying to play online fps.)

No SD card is just a kick in the balls

Today I learned that Professional devopers do their shopping for work at Best Buy because this is a "developer phone" and it is on sale primarily at Best Buy.

Why would they put consumer experience enhancing features on the phone if it was a developers phone. A super samsung curved screen, sure seems unnecessary for development of apps.
[General Topics] vbetts:
Presentation. It is a developer phone, and there are presentations on phones.

What it looks like to me what this phone really is, is the first device to introduce Gingerbread. Just like the Nexus One was made to introduce 2.1.
[General Topics] mcosmi:
cmon....this is hands down the most compelling Android handset this year...i (and all of us prolly) switch devices every 3 months...when something better is released, sell the nexus S and get that. But for now, shuddup, stop *****ing, and keep developing.
[General Topics] joeyklatzko:
I will stick with my MyTouch 4G. I'll trade away NFC to keep HSPA+. Once there's a solid Gingerbread ROM I'll be set.
[General Topics] Hero Yu:
Yeah I'm just going to wait for the htc incredible hd or mecha. What ever its called.
[General Topics] cwirth7:
+1 Totally agreed.
[General Topics] Phateless:
The only thing that really compels me is the Pure Google Experience, which I can find on a used Nexus One from Craigslist.

I'm starting to wish I'd bought a used N1. Love my mt4g but Sense is pissing me off and I worry how long it will take to get a stable release of cm6. :(
[General Topics] vbetts:
Agree on the Sense part. :D
[General Topics] Phateless:
San Francisco and Oakland aren't on the list but I saw them on T-mobile's website. I think that's outdated information.
[General Topics] tekkitan:
Thanks but I think we all know the coverage map of HSPA+. For those that aren't currently covered by HSPA+, why wouldn't they want an HSPA+ phone for when Tmo decides to extend it to their area in 2011?
[General Topics] Phateless:
FWIW I was pulling 6/7 megabits at work yesterday.
[General Topics] Spl4tt:
lool, i almost decided to order one, then looked at the price here in switzerland.. about 815$!!

totaly stupid

never gonna buy this for that money, a desire hd costs only like 650$... >.>

i stick to my leo >.>
[General Topics] fastredponycar:
Man my tmobile contract renews in a couple of months and I was looking forward to getting this thing and wow at the buzzkill...

Couple of friends have the MT4G's and don't really dig them.

The article on androidandme.com from yesterday hints that there is a new nexus S with HPSA+ support that could be coming soon.

also, I think that the new Samsung Galaxy is going to get HPSA+.
[General Topics] Phateless:
Yeah I think I remember reading that there will be a new HSPA+ compatible Galaxy.

Why don't you like the MT4G? Now that we have CM6 and CM7 for it I LOVE this thing. I actually even use the stock rom most of the time but with the genius button remapped to regular google search I like it much better.

You can pick up a used one on CL for $300 and try it out. If you don't like it, just resell it. I wish I had done that instead of extending my contract.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
T-mobiles phones have been less than impressive aside from the dell venue pro here recently....
[General Topics] Phateless:
Huh? On what criteria are you judging this?

MT4G

G2

N1

NS

etc...
[General Topics] fastredponycar:
I've never used one myself. just the folks who have them. I'm still rocking my MT3G w/CM6 froyo
[General Topics] Phateless:
Haha, whoa... are you at least on the new radio/spl for the extra 15mb ram?

MT3G is where I came from, and omg, night and day! Seriously, just pick up a used one on CL and go to CM6 if you don't like Sense. It's like your same phone except with a bigger screen and a ****load more power.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
There's my reasons.
[General Topics] fastredponycar:
Nah man this is the OG version. It was free with the contract so I couldn't really complain at the time. The fender edition had just come out and I didn't want to pay the extra for a headphone jack (didn't know about the extra ram)

It's tempting to get the MT4G but I want to wait and see what the new nexus S2 brings to the table or the new galaxy S2 has. I'm not really suffering. The phone gets the job done but really can't play many games or anything graphics intensive.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Prepare for disappointment for what will likely be another clone of the same poor phone. If you have to go android go HTC and get someone who cares about their customers...
[General Topics] Phateless:
I was on the OG version too. New radio/spl are SOFTWARE. New software for your old phone that gives you extra ram. I'll go find the link for you.

I assume you're using a 32B handset?

EDIT - Here's the link to the T-mobile OTA Froyo update. It includes a new spl and radio that will give you an extra 15mb of ram. You can still use CM6 with this combination but you need a compatible kernel, otherwise you will bootloop.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=807899

The myTouch's biggest downfall was lack of ram and the extra 15mb makes a big difference!

Basically, take a nandroid of your current cm6 rom.

Install the spl and radio.

Flash ezterry's kernel (link in my sig, or here) - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=831139

And you are good to go with an extra 15mb of ram.
[General Topics] fastredponycar:
I installed the danger spl a while back.

that looks like quite a bit of work... not sure if I want to go through all that... not now at least.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
If you bought a Nexus S congratulations, you just contributed to the biggest ripoff in the history of phones.
[General Topics] Phateless:
It's really not too bad, and worth it for the extra ram. At least I've given you the links.
[Nexus S General] robertd0619:
Would we be seeing it on our phones? Sure would love some GB. :)

Edit: Oops.. sorry wrong section. Thought i was on general...
[Nexus S General] lawalty:
it looks like a T-Mobile Vibrant! It has the same screen, the same processor, but there are some differences. I don't know if it justifies a $500 plus purchase.

Here is the spec list:

Connectivity:

Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900

Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700

HSPA type: HSDPA (7.2Mbps) HSUPA (5.76Mbps)

Wi-Fi 802.11 n/b/g

Bluetooth 2.1+EDR

Near Field Communication (NFC)

Assisted GPS (A-GPS)

microUSB 2.0

Display:

4.0" WVGA (480×800)

Contour Display with curved glass screen

Super AMOLED

235 ppi

Capacitive touch sensor

Anti-fingerprint display coating

Size and weight:

63mm x 123.9mm x 10.88mm

129g

Hardware:

Haptic feedback vibration

Three-axis gyroscope

Accelerometer

Digital compass

Proximity sensor

Light sensor

Processor and memory:

1GHz Cortex A8 (Hummingbird) processor

16GB iNAND flash memory

Cameras and multimedia

Back-facing: 5 megapixels (2560×1920)

720 x 480 video resolution

H.264, H.263 MPEG4 video recording

Auto focus

Flash

Front-facing: VGA (640×480)

3.5mm, 4-conductor headset jack

(stereo audio plus microphone)

Earpiece and microphone

Software noise-cancellation

Battery:

Talk time up to 6.7 hours on 3G

(14 hours on 2G)

Standby time up to 17.8 days on 3G

(29.7 days on 2G)

1500 mAH Lithum Ion

Software:

Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)

Android Market

Calendar

Gmail

Google Earth

Google Maps with Navigation

Google Search

Google Talk

Google Voice

Voice Actions

YouTube
[Nexus S General] backslide311:
With the release of the Nexus S, it will only make our Vibrants better. I'm sure it shouldn't take too much time to port from Nexus S to vibrant.
[Nexus S General] rjscott2005:
Apparently the Nexus S does not have an external microSD slot. Internal memory only.
[Nexus S General] Gigamaster89:
So similar to the Vibrant that it's actually making me consider keeping it :P
[Nexus S General] anthonys2r:
Most important factor is that the software will be run enforced by Google, rather than the piss-poor software department of Samsung. IMHO, Nexus S is built by the best hardware developer (Samsung) and patched its weakness in software, by being developed by Google.
[Nexus S General] kennyp987:
This

Vibrant + sXe V3.1 + OCLF
[Nexus S General] iynfynity:
I agree. lol and i think if this can be ported fast to our vibrant then it's really an advantage to us since this Nexus S will always be the first to be updated like the Nexus one.
[Nexus S General] Jerzeeloon:
I want one.Im going to sell my vibrant,my wii and my soul to get it.you know if its a necus it will get every firmware 1st.nexus one already has ginger bread.
[Nexus S General] Supermighty:
It's not as different from my Vibrant has I had hoped. Dual cores would have sealed the deal for me, but as it stands I'll wait till we know more and decide then.

The only real things that I wish it had were dedicated camera button and HSPA+. Also a microSD card, but that's not a deal breaker for me.

The benefits, for me, of the Nexus S are OS updates from Google, the LED flash, and the front facing camera.
[Nexus S General] pavvy:
Is it known whether that fancy curvo-screen is made of Gorilla Glass? (Not at all considering a switch from Vibrant; just curious, for comparison purposes.)
[Nexus S General] mystycs:
I will most definitely probably keep my samsung vibrant. I'm sure that the roms for the nexus s we will be able to port them onto the vibrant because they're virtually the same hardware
[Nexus S General] Tarzanman:
Although I would like an LED flash, the ability to run stock and an FFC for video chat....

The microSD slot is hard for me to give up. I will probably stick with my Vibrant until I can find the Nexus S used at a reasonable price.

If I bought the Nexus S 10 days from now, I would be spending $200-$300 for only a few meager advantages over my current phone.

Guess I'll wait for a Honeycomb device
[Nexus S General] Wi2TheMax:
Ditto.

I really see no point in switching. It's pratically the same phone. You can even install an FFC on the Vibrant if you wanted to. Eugene and them are great. I'm more than certain there will be a port over.

Dual-Core, Honeycomb and HSPA+ and I would've gotten it launch day. I swear, why does Samsung always come up short though? Even with the Vibrant I was like, where the **** is the FFC? Love my phone but still. Even on the Nexus S, where the **** is HSPA+??? WTF get it together Samsung!

I give em credit for the Epic though. That phone is a beast. Keyboard, WiMAX and FFC.
[Nexus S General] brodie7838:
Hardware seems okish seeing as there's not much advantage over the current Vibrant, like may others, the software will be the main draw for me. I am, however, a bit frustrated that it doesnt support anything past 3G, I mean really, what the heck??
[Nexus S General] J3ST3RM4A3:
No SAMOLED display no thanks.

However the phone being stock Android 2.3 is much win, no crapware.
[Nexus S General] kboater:
im a little disappointed in the specs of the Nexus S. As everyone already mentioned, is almost the same as the Galaxy S phones we already have. 1ghz hummingbird, 512 ram, 4 inch screen...

but the google updates are sure nice.

Anyway, important question:

Many are saying that since the Nexus S is similar to the Vibrant, 2.3 and other Google updates should be ported over to us quickly.... But aren't the Fascinate, and Captivate similar to the Vibrant? The Captivate got an almost fully functional unnoficial 2.2 leak at least a month before we did. To my knowledge, that was not able to be ported over to the Vibrant and we had to wait for our 2.2 leak.

Furthermore, if it was as easy as porting it, the Fascinate would have 2.2 ported from the Vibrant or Captivate...right?

Am I missing something? Are the nexus S and the vibrant more similar then the vibrant and other US galaxy phones?

Im just trying to understand how Nexus S roms will be ported to us if we are not able to port things between the current Galaxy S phones?

edit:

gonna post this as it is a little more fit for the other thread on 2.3
[Nexus S General] Wi2TheMax:
I think the radios have something to do with it. Just speculation
[Nexus S General] pavvy:
I don't know if Samsung deserves sole "blame" for whatever the phone's lacking; I assume Google played a role in deciding its specs, and would have demanded more if they wanted more -- that said, I'm just guessing, no clue how its development really worked...
[Nexus S General] pavvy:
Btw, anyone considering buying this phone should check into how the service/return process works... I bought an N1 at launch, and after having to rely on HTC's phone service (!@#$) and Google's messageboard when I had issues, I quickly developed a new appreciation for the good old model of "buy a phone from T-Mobile, who will support it." (I ultimately returned the N1, and wouldn't go that "direct sale" route again; though maybe it works better now.)