yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Epic 4G General] deciple:
Yup.....

Sent from my spot on the earth.
[Epic 4G General] NYYFan325:
Just for ****s and giggles I just ran quadrant to see what the "real" 2.2 score should be. I'm on the standard de-odex rom, no themes

I scored a blistering 1047
[Epic 4G General] bighuta:
Then what other benchmark is non-biased?
[Epic 4G General] jeremiah.rs:
Haha, same here.
[Epic 4G General] J31Rob:
Yerp. 1050 here on stock update.
[Epic 4G General] bobdude5:
Are you kidding me i could have sworn I was in the general section when I posted this! I think there's something funky going on witht the xda app

Sorry about that
[Epic 4G General] bobdude5:
The the stock rooted deodexed one..and the theme is nova night..but I doubt that has anything to do with the score
[Vibrant General] XPLANE9:
Ok, I have no idea what happened but I have two minor scratches at the bottom and one at the top that is only visible when oil from my fingers is on the screen. My OCD is kicking in, so are there any ways to polish out these scratches. Perhaps toothpaste and some good rubbing?

EDIT: Also any suggestions of fixing a nick on the bezel?

EDIT EDIT: Just wondering, is there a way to tell the difference between a scratch and a small crack?
[Vibrant General] JeremyNT:
There's a thread here where somebody polished out some scratches, although I don't have the link handy. It looked like a huge amount of work though...
[General Questions and Answers] Mikusboi:
Hello I'm installing the new Fresh 3.4.0.1 ROM and I currently have the rooted stock Evo. What's the right way to install it? Do I just load it up on ROM manager?
[Captivate Android Development] vbhines:
EDIT, 12/12/10:

It looks like there is a ton of desire here and drive to get some major work accomplished. I just spoke with ferman via PM regarding the future of this project. I wanted to throw the idea out there, and I want to be a part of it, but I am (obviously) in no way equipped to lead such an effort. As I told him, I am much more the monkey-behind-the-keyboard writing code than the project manager at this point, and would happily contribute to any group that desires to further the Captivate's development.

So, without further ado, I hand the reins over to ferman and anyone else that congeals together as communal guidance. I'll be happy just to contribute code.

I thank everyone for their patience while I haven't been here to answer anyone's questions or even acknowledge everyone's involvement. Once I am done with release season at work, I only hope there's still room on the team for another monkey behind a keyboard!

I struggled with whether to post this in "General" or "Development" - I settled on "Development" as it is regarding, well...development.

If enough people are interested, I'd like to start the group development of a ROM, tentatively named "QAM". Cornerstones of QAM? No donations accepted, except for git submissions ("Free and In the Clear" - get it?); group development with specialization based on the team members' skill sets; widely accesible code with an emphasis on sound open source development practices; and clearly documented, well tested changes and updates.

With all of the drama here recently, especially regarding Axura, I think it's time that some of us try to steer this place back to what it used to be.

I'm an enterprise dev in my nine to five. As many have voiced, I have no doubts about my ability to develop a nice ROM for my own personal use. But I value my time, recognize that I am not as efficient in some areas (UI and UX, for instance), and understand from my professional life how much better of a result can be achieved when you've got a diversified team developing together.

Anyone that is a fan of Agile Development Practices will know where I am coming from. If anyone is interested in working together, let's start a dialogue here and now. If you're merely interested in flaming and thread crapping, move along - this isn't the thread you're looking for.

[EDIT - 12/06/10, 8:51PM] Posted an update within the thread. I didn't anticipate this much interest, but I'm glad it's there. I'm going to go through the thread tonight and start assembling names, etc.
[Captivate Android Development] Pvster:
i'm interested, but i dont really have any skills in relation to creating a rom or anything of the like. but if can help let me know!
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
Intresting... :D
[Captivate Android Development] Pirateghost:
very.

i will gladly help where i can. i think this is a great concept and definitely brings us back to the roots of OpenSource Development.

lets please get this going. what do you need?
[Captivate Android Development] bulletproof1013:
Nice
[Captivate Android Development] Phoenix-Lead:
I would like to offer my services. I loved supporting the Axura users and would love to support yours. I have a little programming experience, I mainly deal with ISS day in and day out though. Let me know what you think. I really think this could turn into something great!
[Captivate Android Development] timur525:
Sounds great. Even though I font know much about development myself, I would love yo help somehow(maybe I could be one of those highly cautious/thorough testers you were talking about).
[Captivate Android Development] NOSintake:
Sounds interesting. I'm interested in at least testing for you guys. I'd love to start coding for Android (BSc in Computer Science, but enjoy coding every once in a blue moon), but never got around to learning. I'll def keep my eye on this thread though, and help where I can
[Captivate Android Development] Fortune090:
@OP:

Think this is an amazing idea! Definitely can see a lot come from this.

Idea though: you should maybe put up some slots to be filled so we can get some development teams, focused on their own individual part of the rom, together, so we know for sure that this will be great. :D
[Captivate Android Development] tytdfn:
The most I can help with is being the app-writer-assistant XD.

I have yet to see a rom with its own app(s)(not counting DG's lbs launch) and I would love to see one with its own music player,notes,messaging, etc. I'm not experienced at all, i just know some java and I'm still learning android developtment(i got 3 big books next to me right now).

In fact I wouldn't be offended at all if you just say "no, thank you". I just really like the idea and I thought that if i proposed this it would at least give some initiative to develop custom apps with the custom roms and make this project that much more...unique ;)
[Captivate Android Development] whitesox311:
i'd like to see and participate in some REAL developement. A lot of these "devs" (especially the ones complaining) arent doing much developement and instead are just piecing together different things REAL devs have created into these roms and then trying to extort "donations" out of people. There's a select few developers frontlining the kernel developement that are doing real, good work.

imagine if we had multiple people creating roms like cyanogenmod on here...
[Captivate Android Development] wilsongis:
I would be interested. I have done some android programming as well as some Other stuff. Never did any rom development but would like to give it a shot
[Captivate Android Development] puros_bran:
I can do 'modem testing'.. I travel for a living and encounter the various Freq's, EDGE, 3G, and believe it or not the pre EDGE network (cant think of the name at the moment, long day) almost every day.
[Captivate Android Development] KCutrer1:
Hey I wouldn't be much help in terms of development but I am willing to test anything you guys build
[Captivate Android Development] Dani897:
This is exactly the sort of thing this thread and concept will help avoid. The Rom builders that are causing drama do alot of work. And we all benefit. Even if they are getting more traffic and donations than the ones doing the kernel and other mods and making them available for the Rom and kernel builders.

I don't mind seeing a little competition in the thread titles. And each dev has an opinion as to what's best and thus we have several different roms. But the bickering I've seen is ridiculous. But understandable. There are no rules in place. No required donation. No licensing on much of what's up. Its a bit of a mess.

Id love to see what a captivate oriented community effort will produce. Team whisky is great but not all that works on the vibrant works on the captivate.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897
[Captivate Android Development] darkamikaze:
is this like the android syndicate in epic4G threads :D lol?
[Captivate Android Development] DOAlaboratories:
I'm in, PM me
[Captivate Android Development] steviusthedevious:
i'm willing to flash as many iterations of this as you may develop. no technical expertise on my end though ...
[Captivate Android Development] chrisryn:
I can test and am willing to learn any thing that will help with developing. I have strong computer background. Just new to android.
[Captivate Android Development] shadowscreation:
im in for testing
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
I'm really liking this idea. Seems like we can try to get the whole community in a better attitude rather than a thread or two :D
[Captivate Android Development] bamonkey:
+~9001!!!

i really do enjoy learning what i CAN do in my spare time with everything that is possible on my phone. do i 'program'.. oh hell no, i only understand how certain files work, where they go, and how to make a + b = c so to say. The recent crapstorm was kinda sad to see but thats the nature of the beast here i guess. This idea is pretty sweet thou and all i can honestly promise is severe testing and trying different things and seeing if they work and reporting back. Someones gotta do the painful part where things go wrong. thats actually kinda fun trying to found out WHY. Ill stick around here and see what happens :cool:

i dork around with kernels, inject different theming elements and have even made some of my own boot screens. i did a wip on one and wanted to make it a "how to easily make your own" but it was quickly buried in the "oh damn its broke" topics lol... sigh.. it was sad because i was working on a custom axura animation in adobe while this was all going down
[Captivate Android Development] :
I'm willing to help anyway I can. I have a BS in Biology/Chemistry, which is in no way relavent to cooking Roms. Haha, I would love to test for this.

Sent from my Captivate using magical waves that fly through the sky
[Captivate Android Development] wtc_bd:
Great idea. Would you need to start from scratch on the leaked rom or incorporate what we know already works as far as add ons.
[Captivate Android Development] csader:
HCI/Usability Specialist willing to help shape the ROM into a best-in-class UX

Hi vbhines,

I have an MA in Human Factors Engineering and Human-Computer Interaction, and I currently work as a usability consultant doing work for some big names in the computer industry.

I don't know how much UI tweaking can be done to improve the overall user experience (I don't have any experience coding ROMs), but I would love to assist in making sure this ROM provides a best-in-class UX.

I've been somewhat frustrated with Android's user experience thus far, and think there are many areas in which UI improvements could help shape the experience.

PM me, and I'd be happy to discuss...

Chris
[Captivate Android Development] lanisan:
QAM

I'll test..
[Captivate Android Development] joeybear23:
Another testing volunteer...
[Captivate Android Development] gcamp0730:
Sounds like I have a similar background: enterprise dev 9-5, agile methodology, etc. Anyway, I've been messing around with changing various things in aospMOD 1.1 so I can have a flashable ROM for my own personal use (which I'll gladly release if it gets too different / unique from the base). I'm still learning, but I definitely enjoy the tinkering.

I'd be glad to help out where I can.
[Captivate Android Development] rsunny:
Enterprise dev : 9-5 (Agile), Mostly working on interfaces and usability. Used to code.. want to code and will chip in with whatever I can.

IN.
[Captivate Android Development] cappyron:
As long as we swear to NEVER have daily scrum calls, I'm in :)
[Captivate Android Development] ferman:
This looks like it could be quite successful. :)
[Captivate Android Development] autocorrelation:
A bit on my background: 5 courses short of a masters in financial mathematics, undergrad pure mathematics.

My programming experience is limited to functional programming languages (e.g. lisp, ocaml), can def hack stuff together in C++ and Java though I am no expert.

I've brought this up in another ROM thread, though heard nothing from the OP. I'd like to see if work can be done on the GPS issue. A bit of my research is in the realm of adaptive filtering/prediction as they apply financial time-series. However, this is the same mathematics used for GPS algorithms.

From my understanding tracking issues can be a result of poor filter design, which is something I could contribute. The big hurdle for me is that I don't know, nor have the time to look into, how the filter is designed or if it's even the filter they're using and not a hardware issue.

If someone could look into that, I could chug out some math and run some simulations to see it's possible to put together something better.

-A
[Captivate Android Development] NOSintake:
Is anyone keeping a running list of names? OP?
[Captivate Android Development] gcamp0730:
I'll second that!
[Captivate Android Development] matrixfan321:
I'm in

I've done android/iphone/webOS applications development. I'm taking a operating systems course next semester that dives into the kernel. Use SCRUM methodology at my current internship, so I'm familiar with Agile development. I'm also a web developer by heart so I have a really good sense of UI and UX. I'll send this post as a PM as well with my email address.
[Captivate Android Development] vbhines:
Greetings - OP here. Good Godfrey I've gotten a lot of PMs and responses. I'm truly excited by the amount of interest being shown - I have expected to get flamed at the suggestion, but I'm really stoked that so many people are interested in driving some true progress here.

I made the mistake of posting the thread last night as I was going to bed - so I really didn't have another chance to log on until now. I'm going to go through the thread tonight and collect names, as well as try to respond to the numerous and much-appreciated PMs that I've received. I'm also setting up some git areas on my Linux partition.

Again, thank you for all of the support and interest. I'm going to make some headway tonight, get some updates posted. Thanks for your patience!
[Captivate Android Development] viny2cool:
I m testing analyst for c++ based software company. I would really like to be part of this initiative. I am grad student in information systems for qualification.
[Captivate Android Development] Pmac25:
Can not help with the coding but I am more them willing to help test things out if needed/wanted.
[Captivate Android Development] mrxjhsnx:
Hmmm i definately plan to keep an eye on this thread.

looks like this could possibly be the start of something great :)
[Captivate Android Development] ptc62:
I agree very positive and looks like a lot of talented individuals stepping forward to build some wonderful ROMs. Lets start with gingerbread shall we :).
[Captivate Android Development] IceMonkey82:
I don't have experience with Java or coding for Android, but I do have experience with C#. But really, I'd probably be best at testing and debugging because my strongest skills are troubleshooting. Either way, I'd be happy to help and be a part of this, especially if I can learn something along the way :D
[Captivate Android Development] sschrupp:
Sounds like a great idea and I hope you can manage to get something going with this.

As an end user of all these ROMs and stuff I'd just like to offer a few ideas and desires that could maybe be incorporated some day.

1. Release cycle. Some devs here have a tendency of releasing a version that fixes a past problem, but with the same release they add something new and untested. So then they release another version that fixed THAT new problem but they also added something new and untested.

So there's a cycle of continually improving BUT still unstable and buggy versions one after the other. This is great for people that don't mind dinking around flashing (most of us here). But some of us have wives for instance who we want to provide an enjoyable experience for but it's very difficult finding a truly stable ROM. You'll have people claim a ROM is stable, but the next day a new release is put out with a fix to that previously "stable" ROM that was causing battery drain, or lost connection or...

Is it possible to have a 2 step release? After a bug has been identified could there be a release that is only changed by fixing the bug, and then a 2nd release that has the bug fix but also the next latest and greatest untested thing?

2. Modular design. Maybe that's the wrong way to describe it, but is it possible for some updates to be simply installable rather than forcing the user to flash to stock, wipe various files and stats, charge the battery, do the hokey-pokey, and finally sacrifice a chicken before doing the new ROM?

3. Options. Various ROMs have different themes, keyboards, and default music players. Similar to the modular design above, is there an easy way for the user to be able to select and install the options that they would like?
[Captivate Android Development] ice3186:
I am in

I am in. I dont have a lot of coding skills but i get a long just fine understanding how to the system is built and stuff. Use me how you need me! PM me and let me know. Like i said i am no coder but can help a little!
[Captivate Android Development] a.vandelay:
i can't necessarily promise i'll work on this, but i'm interested and posting mainly for support of the project and as a reminder to myself.

BA in mathematics & computer science if qualifications mean anything (they don't ;)).
[Captivate Android Development] id10terror:
This sounds great.. and just the thing I need to get my hands dirty with Android dev.. A git repo would be awesome to have for us newcomers. You'd be surprised how much can be learned from just looking at different commits.

The PS3 dev community relies heavily on git repos and it has progressed rapidly in the last 2 months.

Anyways, I am in. As a network admin by day and hobbyist programmer by night, I've dabbled a bit in most programming languages, so I'm sure I can help somewhere.
[Captivate Android Development] chrisryn:
Looks like we have quite a lot of dev support so lets get this rolling.
[Captivate Android Development] xcaliburinhand:
If you need any kernel work (not sure you will, as there are a bunch of good kernels floating around) drop me a line.
[Captivate Android Development] ferman:
This is really getting somewhere! Im super excited. Im working on aospmod now and would love to help you guys in anyways possible!

I love eveything this group and cant wait for development to start!

I could also possibly get a little website going and to host the rom releases. I am also looking into git and possibly hosting it so we don't have to pay for hosting unless we use the free one but that may not be enough. Throw me a pm if you are interested in any help! =D
[Captivate Android Development] id10terror:
GitHub is awesome... It's free and since there is no need for "private" repositories here, I don't see why we wouldn't use it..

- Free

- People can easily fork off the master and push changes to be considered for inclusion.

- Keeps a tree of forked projects

- Can be "followed" by users

- RSS feeds of commits (LOVE this!)

- Online editor if you are away from your dev station

- Online comments or questions for a specific line of code

- PM Inbox

- File hosting

- Stats

- Wiki pages

and not to mention that their UI is very sexy and intuitive.

What else would we need lol?

https://github.com/features/projects
[Captivate Android Development] DirtyRasa:
Hello,

I am very interested in this project. I have never made a ROM or worked with the Android SDK. It's something that I've been meaning to get around to but with school it's been tough. School is almost over for me and I'm coming out with a wealth of knowledge and I'm still eager to learn.

My backgroud:

I'm an electrical engineering with a heavy influence in Computer Science.

I'm up to 4 years of experience in Java

3 years in C

Just picked up C# for a project I'm working on.

If any of this is appealing and useful please let me know.

I would love to start programming for something that means a lot to me.

If anything else, I could just be a cheerleader if you have enough Devs.. :)
[Captivate Android Development] autocorrelation:
A bit more on what I could contribute would be if any optimization problems need solving, that's definitely one of my fortes.

I work a bit with machine learning as well, though unsure on how that could be incorporated into a ROM but just throwing it out there.
[Captivate Android Development] ytt3r:
Not a coder...

I'm not a coder but I would love to be involved with the project either with testing or graphic design (I'm not bad with Photoshop). If you have room for me... I'm here! twitter [.] com/ytt3r (Just made this account, I've been on xda for a while in the background...)
[Captivate Android Development] ferman:
So are we doing this?! :D

Im a bit excited if you couldn't tell. ;)

Sent from my captivate
[Captivate Android Development] timur525:
Wtf? Why did this die down?! It was about to start? Come on! Lets get an irc session going! Reply to me and we'll pick a date. Deal?
[Captivate Android Development] tytdfn:
Yes let's do that. OP is just taking too long to get this ball rolling so lets just pick a date. How about next weekend? I'm going to be busy this week and I would like to be able to oversee this project, although not necessarily lead it since I lack all kinds of skills ;P
[Captivate Android Development] ferman:
Ill make an irc tonight. Ill post up the info. When I get home. I wanna get the ball going on this and if this actually happens ill get website ip with a forum blog etc.

Sent from my captivate
[Captivate Android Development] tytdfn:
yes! That's great! Hopefully we can get enough people to make this a respectable community attempt!
[Captivate Android Development] MikeyMike01:
...and then when you do post a ROM with no Donate button, you end up with multiple people asking you where they can donate, and why you don't have one.

In other news, you've got an awful elitist attitude.
[Captivate Android Development] ferman:
Id rather have people ask for a donate button imho but its all good. its hard to develop something when you don't have much to work with so a lot of devs are compiling stuff together so ill give them props for at least compiling stuff into a certain config.

I have big ideas so lets throw out ideas in the irc ill be home soon!

Sent from my captivate
[Captivate Android Development] TeeUUGee:
I have to agree. ASKING for a DONATION to me breaks down to:

...it's not required by any means...you are under no obligation whatsoever...you can say yes or no without any ill effects or retaliation...use it for free ...or donate...I'm not demanding anything in return for my hard work.

And donate, by definition is non-mandatory, a gift, a token of appreciation. For me, if I like someone's product, I like to spur on further development with a small $ or 2 because it's a CHOICE I freely make. I never feel obligated.
[Captivate Android Development] ferman:
Alright I just made a channel.

irc.freenode.net

#qam

Join in and lets throw some ideas together. :)
[Captivate Android Development] bamonkey:
Not sure where/what i can do especially while being at work and having to use my phone as the IRC client since its banned on my network but hey ill just stop in and see whats up. Mind you i may go in and out as my phone is constantly abused by new kernels but its something.
[Captivate Android Development] ytt3r:
IRC

I'm in the IRC all day, studying for finals so I'm available if anyone wants to hop on and get something going.