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[Defy Accessories] Passa91:
Anyone had any luck finding a dock for this thing? I am interested as well.
[Defy Accessories] LetoKynes:
Some guy's come up with a DIY Dock, credits to uploader

Sorry can't paste links so go to youtube and type in "Motorola Defy media dock"

Looks neat :D
[Defy Accessories] ZootHornRollo:
It's made of cardboard - cereal box style. Good effort tho.

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Could be a market for aftermarket stands if someone wants to make them... worked for a guy on maemo.org for the N900. He made them out of laser cut wood and sold them via an online shop he set up. Was very popular.

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[Defy Accessories] morr22066:
Considering one of these docks

There are lots of docks for the droids and milestones but none designed for the defy yet. But I did come across a couple candidates that I am considering and wondered if anyone had tried either of them yet.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003DM4KLW/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A2LD2YC4L2Z2RO

http://www.clingo.com/home-and-office/universal-podium/

I am leaning towards the first one listed from amazon but the second also looks pretty nice. Neither has a build in charger that will line up with the defy but they have plenty of open space to allow for a usb to plug in.
[Defy Accessories] scrannel:
I use a Clingo which is simple. It doesn't have the magnet required to automatically activate dock mode, of course.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] porkenhimer:
I am one of the faithful WM6.5 users. I do not care how cool my device is like most fake people that have moved on to Android & IPHONE cause their friends say they should. I feel that WM is still the best all around OS thought they all offer good things.

I would love to set goals for the future of WM6.5 like tryin to port FLASH 10.1. They did it for the IPHONE so it should be possible for WM. Also since we know software makers are walkin away from us for Android IPHONE and WP7 so i assume development for our devices will be done by the geniuses at XDA. I am not ready to walk away from this platform yet. I think we can keep it going for another year. Lets make 2011 the year of WINDOWS MOBILE. I want this thread to be dedicated to askin developers on XDA what new ideas they have for WM 6.1 & 6.5.

If you have ideas for games, ports, regedits, or programs to make our devices better please post below.

RULES:

DO NOT post tellin us what your favorite OS is or what the best OS is. Everyone knows that different people like different OS's.

DO NOT get upset if someone disagrees with your opinion.

DO NOT post unless you have something good to say about WM. This is a thread that is for people that want to better the WM OS not bash it. If you prefer Android or IPHONE then I am sure you can find somewhere to talk about how they are better than WM but do not do it here.

DO NOT tell us how WM is a dying OS, we know this already.

DO NOT post things such as your career or academic achievments and somehow link it to WM users being more or less intelligent then other users.

DO NOT post unless you love WM period!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] retsam88:
WM is still very powerful operating system, but only if you can use it potential.

I wonder why people are more into simple-yet-dumb OS's which simply limit user.

On windows mobile, i can listen to music through bluetooth headset, share my 3g+ connection with laptop, browse html5 websites with flash and all of it on one device. And thats just beggining.

On the note to successor, WP7, where the hell is copy/paste? Dumb.

I love to copy commands from notepad to my remote desktop connection to use quick server commands.

BTW. I'm still laughing my ass off when i think about NO multitasking on iphone.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] porkenhimer:
We r using it to its potential as of now but it can be better. As I mentioned FLASH 10.1 which was ran on the HD2 in a video but was never released for WM instead went to Android and was ported to the IPHONE. I think we should start a movement to get these things workin on WM. There is alot of useless apps being made and I would luv to see the developers move towards making our devices better instead of making them "cooler."
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Obelix_A:
I totally agree - I am using WM5/6 as target devices for my private and business projects.

But it seems like the wm programmers are in short the veterans of programming. A little crowd (did someone say 3 are a crowd?) of people that stand to their mobile os :-D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] fraztto:
I've been using android for a while and I have to say wm has the throne in productivity. I mean, I can play in android but wm can satisfy my needs mare than any other os
[Windows Mobile Software Development] damienisxcore:
I've had a WM device for 3 years now, and it's old news. There's not even one...ONE single good sports app. How is there not one. Developers don't care about WM6. It's been swept under the carpet and it's sad because I still have a Treo Pro.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Nixeus:
I totally agree for this post !

I hope that we have soon the the new wm6.X builds (WM6.5 handset,etc...) with new features and new API !!!!!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] bsinclair:
Why they are moving for less sophisticated OS? That's easy to answer. When Palm was the king of the hill, do you know what was the best selling PDA they had? It was the entry level Zire22 (lowres screen, no sdcard support, ...). Why? Because the vast majority of users are lowend. They will never:

1. sync with their computers

2. install anything new, use what was given with the phone/pda

3. tweak it

We are NOT regular users, and also, we are NOT the biggest buying group. They are business oriented, will manufacture what sells.

You can see the same with games. Who remembers the best racing simulator ever done, GrandPrix Legends by Papyrus? It was so hard to drive that it fail miserably on sales, they shifted their focus to a more arcade kind of games (best sellers).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] tsalta:
I totaly agree and i think the same way that Win Mo is the Best OS right now and will tell why.

1st because WinMo is fully Costumizable in every aspect not only visual, so WinMo is the base if you have a WinMo Device for few seconds you can make it look like iOS or Anroid or Windows Mobile 7 or.. you name it.. so the WindowsMobile 6.X give use the freedom and is like chameleon on the same time.

I dont like stupid OS like the iPhone just icons icons and icons everywhere..

Android... you move widgets and etc this is all of course now i have Android look with SBP shell and when im totally pissed of i aways can just uninstall it:)))))))))))))

Honestly i like Android only for the Speed, and if we talk here honest we all know that WindowsMobile 6.x is SLOW OS by saying slow i mean compared to Android or iOS but overal WindowsMobile is good OS for everyday use if you costumize and optimize it:)

The things that we can do with our devices NO ONE can do them with Android or iOS or WM7 this is the TRUE.

Im not programer but i believe that many interesting thing can be done if here have serious peoples who love WM 6.x

And i really think that WinMo is still the KING because give us Freedom.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] freefall12:
Couldn't agree more!wm6.5.x is quite decent .But lack of latest apps will be a problem as many software companies are no longer providing WM supports.many of apps running on my Omnia2 are last released 1 or 2 years ago and some of them are just not designed for 800X480 screen.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] kdj67f:
I have been a WinMo supporter since 2003SE. And I recently upgraded from my Tilt2 to the HTC Surround. I have to admit WP7 just works better. But Do not get me wrong, I will never give up my Tilt2. I love that device. I love trying new ROMs, using RDP, and most of all the keyboard. And I will continue my support of WM until Microsoft officially calls it EOL.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] z33dev33l:
You know why people move to android? It's easier to use, more finger friendly, widely supported in terms of games, based on linux (doesnt get much more open source if you really want to dig), and its generally more physically appealing. Even with SPB mobile shell Windows mobile 6.5 looks like crap. I have an HD2 but aside from theming it to look like WP7 I've been using it primarily for android because, hey, I like to have FUN with my phone. When is the last time a truly GOOD app was made for winmo? I remember warspear a few years back that's about it. You pull together enough people to completely rejuvenate a lifeless OS and I will eat my own shoe on youtube for all of you. Til then.

Android: Functionality/Fun

WP7: Ease of use/glorified feature phone

iphone: Overpriced status symbol

WM5/6: Flatline
[Windows Mobile Software Development] c_legaspi:
i didnt like 6.5, i thought it sucked. i did like 6.1 tho.

either way its a dead os with no new apps being devloped or updated. will have to wait to see what wp7 brings
[Windows Mobile Software Development] damienisxcore:
Lmao. This dude is trapped in a fantasy world.

1. There's a reason that the Android section of this forum has more threads in Apps and Games, Themes, and Software development than Windows Mobile...and it hasn't even been around as long!

2. There's a reason everyone wants to mod their Windows Mobible devices to look like droids, AND even install the android os on their WM devices.

Tell me ONE thing, ONE THING that your WM6.5 or whatever it is can do, that an android phone can't, except make a less expensive paper weight?

I have a Palm Treo Pro, and as much as I love this phone, it's old news. I want a droid. WM is dead.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] orb3000:
Long live to Windows Mobile!!

I think WM is far away to being considered as dead, of course MS wants that but it will depend on us users and Chefs & Devs to keep it alive!!

I still prefer it over WP7 and Android!

A voting for the best Developers award will be soon announced as a tribute to our beloved WM!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
As much as I love WM, there is a simple fact, developers will develop for the popular platforms first and users will go where there are apps...just like games sell consoles, apps will drive smart devices.

WM is good, but MS has never made it easy to develop on, compact .net has always been lacking and you need a pro version of visual studio (with it's huge price tag). The fact that you can develop windows phone 7 using Visual Studio Express 2010 - which is free and that even the Pro version of Visual Studio 2010 does not support WM, shows that MS are doing their best to kill off WM, they've even removed many of the WebCasts for developing WM from their site so you can't even get the information you used to have available.

Add to that whole new area's of TV streaming devices and Tablets which are likely to support Android or iOS stuff and WM ends up being a smaller and smaller old and tired fish in a fast expanding pond of young competition.

You can see here, that the forum has already swung from WM!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=866626
[Windows Mobile Software Development] dagosjt:
I totally agree with meltwater. WM is going to die soon or later. In this moment I''m totally happy with my Touch HD, CHT 2.0 gave me all the flexibility on home page I was looking for. I can't find nothing on the other platforms I don't find for my actual phone, a part maybe something related to augmented reality.

On the other way I've already tried Android on my HD and works very well, considered all the limitations. Pity for camera and FM Radio, I use them so Android can't be for a daily use. But if they'll be able to solve last problems it's possible I'll start to use Android, more to start to use and learn the OS so to be ready when really new phones/tablet will come in the market. To say the truth I always liked big screens, so if next year a very good 7" tablet will be in the market with optimized Android (3.0?) and a price near 400 Euros, I'll definitely change the wagon.

About WP7, i appreciate Microsoft efforts, but I don't like at all :(. I've seen iPhone 4 and it's spectacular to see in use, nothing to say. But overpriced and not for me, similar to WP7 too many limitations.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Vukile:
I feel that there are quite a few misunderstandings in this thread. The first is that if developers were going to wait for MS to come up with the goods in the first place, this forum would have never existed. In fact, we would have been relegated to overpriced and monetiseed structures for selling icons and ringtones like the Symbian people.

Secondly, a person's reason for getting an Android phone or iPhone are different to that of the Windows user. Blame it on the recession, blame it on the lower IQ of the average smartphone user, either way the basis of buying Android or iPhone is a product of good marketing and the science of hype,like buying an ipod when instead you could stick a stereo jack in your phone and have all the same stuff. I bought my first WM phone years before I saw an ad for it, because Im a bit of tech junkie and I jumped at the opportunity to have so much functionality in a mobile platform. The decorations came later.

Thirdly, the constant habit of WM users customising their handsets to look like other platforms is for entertainment purposes only, we knew we could always press the hard-reset button and put the hype behind us.

Fourth, Microsoft always does the same thing of taking away support or info when they bring out a new OS. As much as I love Windows Mobile, I dont like Microsoft. The only way to move new product is to stop support for the biggest seller, I remember when they did the same thing with Windows 98 when XP came out.

Conclusion: If youre looking to resell common-place technology (thats been around for years) to hyped-up half wits, then Android/iPhone is the way to go. Its hard to pull the wool over a real Windows Mobile user's eyes,unfortunately.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Diamond_dawg:
Windows FTW always
[Windows Mobile Software Development] z33dev33l:
I started using windows mobile long long ago and for its time it was something epic. However, once other smartphones came into play they were just unable to keep the pace. Sure, your phone CAN do a lot more, theres customizations on windows phones that android may not have for a long time. However if they'd been smart and invested some time when phones became more finger friendly rather than still forcing stylus usage when devices with "touch" in the name came out then they'd be a lot better off. Android in some aspects will never catch winmo, you just can't get that open source and expect to have a clean user experience. In some ways we may never catch up to winmo, parts of what they did may still be considered revolutionary 20 years from now but in a lot of ways we passed up windows mobile 2 years ago when the g1 came to pass because we took what you could do, we made it easier to develop, and we made it user-friendly to start out with. Windows mobile will remain a developers phone... if you want to shell out an unreal price for software that you wont make money off of anymore due to it being a dead operating system.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] damienisxcore:
You guys are under a haze.

I keep hearing "Windows Mobile can do things Android can't" and "WM is more open source". Just face it. Android is better. There are thousands of more apps, good apps...GREAT apps that not only have a better look, but better functionality, user-ability, and speed.

You can say WM can do so much more than android, but I don't see the facts, just a bunch of talk from sad WM users that don't want to give it up.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] greenskeeper805:
Said the Jr. Member. I started my WinMo addiction with the Samsung i760. A wonderful slider with the "new" WM6.1. I loved it. It was a huge jump from my Palm T3. Then someone ran it over and I upgraded to the Omnia i910. This was the first phone I ran a custom Adrynaline ROM on and had 6.5 months before it released. I now have a TD2 and still love it. Here's something your Android can't do...when get into my truck, i start it up and automatically the bluetooth connects and starts S2P and streams music to through my stereo without having to press one button. My phone stays in my pocket and when i turn off the truck, BT disconnects and S2P shuts down. All with out ANY user input. This ability has been around for years with WinMo.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] TeDeV:
i would like to hear somethings, that android can do and that winmo can't do it?

How exactly do you do that?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] porkenhimer:
ARE U CRAZY? 100,000 APPS! Windows Mobile has millions of legit apps not to mention the millions of third party apps. We can and have been able for a long time to share our connection on ever single WiFi enabled device through our WiFi, bluetooth & USB. Android can just now do it somewhat on a few devices. Windows mobile is also fully customizable. I forgot Android cannot use SPB Mobile Shell. Can Android install apps to its storage card? NO! That gives Windows Mobile the ability to have an unlimited amount of installed apps which in Android can only be installed on device memory. Can your android double or triple boot? NO! My Tilt 2 phone can be transformed into a WM/Android/Ubuntu phone. Your lack of intelligence shows you are on the Android bandwagon and have no idea what WM is or even what Android is. I bet your best friend told u Android was cool or maybe u liked the commercial. Open your mouth again and I'll make ya feel even worse by listing 15 more things Windows Mobile can do that Android cannot. Do some research before u open ur mouth of u might get embarassed again. Android is a low budget direct ripoff of WINDOWS MOBILE, PERIOD!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] greenskeeper805:
Just search for Auto A2DP Manager, A2DP Toggle, S2U2 and S2P. All are needed. Auto A2DP Manager see's that you've connected to a BT device and launches A2DP Toggle. S2U2 see's that you've connected headphones and launches S2P. That's how I have it setup. There is an option in A2DP Toggle to have it launch whatever music app that you want like WMP. There is an app called ResumePlugin for WMP that will have it automatically start playing on application start. So if you don't want to use S2U2 or S2P, then you only need the first 2 apps. If you can't find them, I'll upload them for you. I DID NOT MAKE THESE APPS, just figured out how to use all of them to seamlessly stream music to my BT.

Late,
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Viper89:
@porkenhimer your last post was epic, you just made my day haha :D.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] serbanjureb:
couldn't agree more! android only seems to be the perfect os for these superficial times. it's for the guys who get excited when drag'n drop an icon in a garbage can (recicle bin) at the bottom of the screen, saying it's "more customizable" or "more finger friendly". wm developers did that long ago. in many different ways. they say droid is more efficient... than what with all that cadillac hardware for a decent speed in their devices? for example, an android device running at 600 mhz is considered slow and lagging... a wm 6.5 device, with 256 mb ram and 528 MHZ clock speed works quite fine if proper twicked...

droid fans just don't stop counting the apps in their market... but let's take a look at them... it's nothing more than what wimo had long before android os was conceived...

i like wimo 6.5 and I'm sorry Microsoft didn't go on the same path with wm7. I wish they used both versions in parallel, at least, 'cause 6.5 is still on and wm7 seems to address more to the iphone type of client than to the regular wimo consumer.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] porkenhimer:
Yeah I had to get that clown. Android devices and IPHONES are toys. Go to ur local high school and the kids got em. Kids ask for these toys for their birthday and Christmas. Windows Mobile is for grown folks. I hope he speaks up cause imma bout to ruin his day. He an idiot. I can take any thread and convince anyone that their OS is better than the next but i ain't marketing for anyone especially this garbage called Android. He needs to stay off the forums and do research or form his own opinion. I speak the truth and the truth is Android is the second coming of BLACKBERRY, put out a few devices and people talk about em for a couple years then struggle to get the same users to become repeat customers. Research In Motion is tryin to market their new device the Torch based off a browser made for WM and bought out by them. It was the Iris browser made by torch mobile and now their barely hangin on. Read the forums they say Android is a trend which is supposed to be a good thing but bellbottoms and flipflops with socks were too and where they at now? Android made a name off of a half assed WM copy. I'd use a WM2003 device before I'd buy that junk. Imma go ahead and give him a love tap, his Android has GOOGLE VOICE but I can Find atleast 3 GV apps for WM that actually turn on & off when u want em to. Come on man I am waitin with facts.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] riotman:
yeah i also stick to wm. since now there is no proper GPS solution for android just like igo8 for wm. Having toroot or use extra apps to install them to your storage card is kind of annoying. I'm contended with my acer neotouch, igo8 and modified spb shell. android still seems to be unfinished to me. It still lacks functionality and needs some features before i could consider an os change. but still we have to face that wm is dying and gradually losses support.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] retsam88:
Now i got a challenge to ALL Android users and developers:

As stated before, Windows Mobile can multi-boot(run Android, several Linux distributions, and even more)

Now, can you boot WM straight from Android? Nope.

EOT.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] akpe:
Have you guys ever considered that some of the stuff mentioned in this thread have to do mostly with apps or possibly hardware/configurations and not the OS itself? You mention apps like S2U2 and S2P, what does that have to do with the OS? Multiboot? I'm no expert, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that it's your device which can be configured to multiboot, not the OS itself.

I'm pretty sure that, like meltwater said, most of the things Android can't do at the moment, could be easily achieved through proper programming. Same thing goes for WM, ignoring any hardware restrictions of course.

I personally use both WM and Android (Stock 6.1/LeeDroid roms) and I'm pretty much happy with both of them. Each platform gives me different things, but also different headaches. for example, on WM I get to use apps which have been around for years, and I feel comfortable with. I have the ability to customize my phone "under the hood" pretty much the way I like it. But, WM also gives me nightmares because of it's speed, the inability to properly manage memory, and a bunch of bugs which haven't been fixed in ages. Not to mention lack of new software.

Android on the other hand is faster, maybe has better memory management, apps which are nowhere to be found in WM, and so on. However I also have storage problems, the stupendous restriction of not being able to install apps directly to storage card (without root), need for rooting etc etc etc.

Every mobile OS has it's pros and cons. Be it speed, apps, functionality, simplicity of use or tinkering ability. It's up to the user to decide which platform he is more comfortable with, you can not expect a 15yr old child to use WM, perhaps the same way you can not expect a demanding professional to use iOS.

So think about this next time you call someone "fake" because he moved on to a platform that he personally found more comfortable. After all, it's his personal choice to make, not yours.

Regards.