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[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] hiko36:
Doubtful. It seems that the thottle is now controlled on the provider side and would be assigned to your number. There'd essentially be no difference once you switched your SIM.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Vlad83:
I thought my point was clear... Those that don't watch HD Netflix(figurative example) on their computers through their phone and say use 6GB of data (if you read the article, Clearwire WiMax 4G users average 7GB) are treated the same way as those that have 30, 40, or almost 100GB as one person bragged a few pages back. Which does imply that I want the cap to be bigger, however, I also blame those that grossly abuse the data service for the current restrictions.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] rockinjer:
I Called in and asked if there were any plans that did not have a data cap, lady put me on hold for a few mins and then said that she would switch me to the new unlimited 4G plan, and i said ok, she said it will reset my usage stats and they will reset again when my new billing cycle starts, then i said will i have any THROTTLE next month if i go over 5gb, she said uuummmmmmm yes, I agreed to it and she Guaranteed me that the throttle will stop within the next 2 hours so that the new plan can go through, i said ok i wont use my apps as much next month so i wont go over.

4 hours later still 50k i called in and complained and told them what was supposed to happen after i called the first time and that i was supposed to be reset,

First he acted like he was a little mad that i had used that much data, i just said that 5 gb these days are not that much data and that my speed used to be 1mbs and now it is close to 5mbs [before my throttle] and its way too easy to get 5gb stacked up with this fast of speed.

And all he said is that on one system my new 4G unlimited web has 3 megabytes on it [from all my speed test's] and the other system still says that i have almost 9gb on it and that it wont be reset till new cycle, and that he can try to disconnect and then reconnect my line but is doubtfull that it will help, and also said that on my account line the THROTTLE STATUS LIGHT is not on in his system and does not know why im being throttled. and then tells me that the other system that he cannot controll must be throttleing me.

They dont have a clue, nobody is on the same page over there.

I dont know much either though
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] shadowofzeus:
I didn't brag about using 100gb. Like I have said before. High speed land based internet is not available to me. So I have to use my phone and tether. I hate it too because I hate having to worry about the cap and if I am going to be able to do the stuff I need for school or not, and the biggest problem is that I don't have a laptop because if I did I would just go to the school and download the stuff I need when I need it and bring it home.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] dadewy:
I'm a clear customer because I have not a SINGLE other choice. Yes, initially you will be impressed with the speed. I was.

Then comes the midnight "maintenance windows" where your internet goes down for an hour or so. Two, three times a week. Annoying, but not the end of the world.

THEN you get told you are "abusing" the system because you happen to watch a netflix movie once in a while. So they throttle you. Used to be that throttle was about 20KB/s download. No that's not a typo. This is for people paying for a 6+mbps service level. No one knows at what point the throttle kicks in because they won't tell us.

After some virtual "rioting in the streets" on the parts of their customers they've now raised that throttle to about 60KB/s. So yeah, about an order of magnitude slower than what you're paying for. Of course the small print in the contract makes it all nice and legal.

In short, if you're an "email and light web browsing" internet user, go ahead and sign up for Clear, you'll probably love it. If you actually USE your internet, forget about it.

Oh, also, on top of all the above, they are a pack of liars. While their forum was FULL of people screaming about 20K/s downloads, they were cheerfully claiming there was NO throttle. You would call in to the helpdesk and they would waste your time troubleshooting while of course the REAL problem was they were throttling you. Talk about adding insult to injury. :mad::mad::mad:

Anyway, sorry for the (somewhat off-topic) rant, but if I can save even one person from the hell that is Clear, I consider it worthwhile.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] tronmech:
You could try the ole "executive email carpet bomb." All you need is the ececutive names and some idea of tmo's email address conventions. Consumerist has some examples.

It may be just because I get bad coverage at home, or because I have decent wifi at home and work, but I've only been using 400-odd mb per month since I started using tmo.

Strange question: why would you WANT to stream netflix to this tiny screen? Stream to a tethered laptop, that I can understand.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] tronmech:
Sounds like you're the exact kind of user their current ads would target. I can see this: "Switched to Sprint" ads about people with truly mobile lifestyles...
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] moneymike55:
Do you mean clear home internet or sprint 4G? Ive been thinking about switching to sprint so i dont have to worry about throttling every month for the next year but the only thing holding me back is claims of slow speeds and dropped connections throughout the week. I'm only pulling 1.8mbps on tmo if im lucky tho (according to speedtest.net app, when I watch a file actually being downloaded on my phone I'm lucky to see it go up 100kbps) so do u think sprint 4g would be slower? And are you saying sprint actually throttles their 4g plans too or that clearwire does?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Babydollll:
They are. Simply put they are lying thru their teeth. It was 10 GB. They changed it in Oct or Nov 2010. I even remember listening to Engadgets mobile podcast. One time they mentioned T-mobile had a 10 GB cap. Another time was when they noted the change to 5 GB. I think initially T-mobile lied about it to keep people from breaking their contract. Now, I think they are just keeping up the lie. I'm sure if I look hard enough I could find mention of the old (10 GB) cap and when they changed.

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[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] veritasaequita:
I dont know if it will help but i filed a complaint against T-mobile at BBB.com It seemed like my last option and i dont know maybe if alot of you guys do the same we could get something going. All i know is when i was young my father told me that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Im ready to start squeaking loud as ****!
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Babydollll:
I filed a complaint with the FCC about this whole throttling thing (among other things like being charged for someone else's laptop stick (data stick whatever you wanna call it) and then refusing to

refund my money or credit my account) So far all T-mobile has done is refund my money and the FCC is still looking over my account (like someone posting above I got throttled after using like 249 MB)

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[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Gwanatu:
Wow, thanks for telling me! I was considering switching too, as Brighthouse here thinks $32.99/month is worth 90kb/s downloads, and the only other option is switching to the crappy local phone company that wants to put me on a 2 year contract to go with any of their services; no thanks. I was intrigued by Clear because they offered a no contract type of offer, but if they are going to do that then what's the point of faster internet? I can't really even stream videos as it is because 90kb/s is too slow for just about anything anymore, so I might as well save the $5 difference it is in pricing between BH and Clear and save the headache.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] gaww:
You "assumed" you were throttled? Do you know your total data usage for the billing cycle and that it was over 5gb? Did you get the dreaded text message from TMo that you were to be throttled?

If you read previous posts, you will see that a number of posters deleted this file, and did not succeed in getting unthrottled.

I had done the throttling mod and deleted that file (when you do the mod, it does not come back). I though i had hid my subsequent usage, but with a 2 day lag - it all appeared in my my account anyway.

So we are back to looking for other ideas:

1. Exactly how does throttling work (that is an invitation to a current or former TMo tech to share some knowledge).

2. Knowing that, seeing if there is a another way to circumvent it.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] gaww:
I was put into the "new" unlimited 4G plan when I got the MT4G - BUT, it has the same terms and conditions - namely the 5gb cap.

Like you said - they have no clue.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] gaww:
On file downloading speeds- that is generally only a function of the sending parties upload bandwidth and how much downloading it is supporting at the time - ie, their total bandwidth / number of connected downloaders. The more they are trying to handle, the slower the speeds will be to each connected computer.

I have 14 mbps on home computer (and WiFi connection to my device in the router room), and have had at least 1.5 mbps connection for years, I have never gotten a file download (from a single source) greater then 200 mbps in that time.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] rockinjer:
lets get this straight 90kb/s is lightning fast compared to our throttled 50 kilobits per second which equals to about 5.0 kilobytes per second, just like in the days of dial-up, many people get confused about this, feel free to correct me if im wrong :)

Internet speed = Download speed

256 kbps = 31,3 KB/s

512 kbps = 62,5 KB/s

1 mbps = 122,1 KB/s

5 mbps = 610,3 KB/s

10 mbps = 1220,7 KB/s
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Vlad83:
Yeah... bandwidth is measured in bits, transfer rate or "speed" is in bytes. 1 byte = 8 bits... So divide by 8 to roughly get the download speed. When working with larger numbers, the fact that a kilobyte is actually 1,024 bytes need to be taken into account...
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] RavenFB:
Yes. Prior to October of last year, the cap was 10GB. I never went over that cap, either.

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[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] RavenFB:
I've bee with TMobile since it was VoiceStream, 13 years or so. What's your point? You may not be aware of a 10GB cap, but I most certainly am. This number was expressed to me repeatedly when I asked about "unlimited data", I was told up front about throttling by several representatives, and that the cap was 10GB. I was also told that, at 3G, this cap was rarely an issue. I decided to purchase based on that info. This was back in November, 2009. I never got throttled until October, where I barely broke the cap. Since t-mobile was kind enough to replace my severly messed up phone with this G2, I am now getting capped after a week, because obviously it is able to consume data much faster. I would be happy to have the cap back to 10GB and throttled down to EDGE beyond that, at least the connection would be usable beyond 1 week a month.

EDIT: I should also note that I do not own a laptop. I used to tether my XBOX to play on Live under the 10GB cap, which I never broke. I haven't ever tethered anything to my G2, and still break the cap regularly through normal usage on the PHONE ITSELF. I feel as though I am being punished by T-Mobile for no conceivable reason, perhaps simply for having the audacity to have come to rely on them for their data connection. What's worse is that, aside from this one Gorilla in the room, T-Mobile has always gone out of their way to meet my family's needs, and have provided us 13 years of unparalleled service. I don't WANT to go elsewhere. I want T-Mobile to do what they have always done, and make it right.

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[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] elmejor183:
So, Small question, does this still work? I have tried this with my Vibrant running with Bionix-V and i'm still throttled.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] JanetPanic:
A brief chronology to set the basis for debate on what T-Mobile has and has not allowed.

Prior to December 2008 there was no listed cap in T-Mobile's T&C.

In late November - early December 2008 a notice was sent out that there would be a 1GB cap. There was a good deal of uproar about this and a number of people (including myself) called to complain.

In early December 2008 the 1GB cap was dropped before it ever became effective and a week or so later a 10GB cap put in place. This led to less grousing since on the G1 (the only 3G phone at the time) it was pretty difficult to go over 10GB without tethering. Further when people (like me occasionally) went over the cap we did not experience any throttling.

The 10GB cap stayed in the T&C until July 2010 when the cap was lowered to 5GB. At the time however it did not appear that T-Mo was enforcing the soft cap.

Finally starting in late December (I think) people started getting overage notices and being throttled back when they exceeded the 5GB limit.

And now here we are.

People who have been using their phones as a full home internet connection are pretty much screwed. To be honest though I find that abusive. I do not care if you have no other option, it is not what mobile data on a cell phone was meant for or priced for. You do what you have to do, but don't cry to me. Especially if you were using it to stream netflix, music, and torrents.

Unfortunately the heaviest cell phone users are also screwed, but with judicious use of wifi generally the cap can be avoided without trouble. That is not to say that there are not legitimate cell data users who are materially hurt. But that is a small chunk of the already small percentage of users effected by the cap.

To be clear I was and am negatively impacted by the changes as well. I usually broke 5GB a month on cell data alone, 10GB if I tehtered a lot. I had to change my usage patterns to use wifi, which I did not want to do. But this is where we are; we can try and bypass the cap, we can complain to t-mobile, or we can move on to another carrier. Complaining about being throttled on a thread attempting to bypass the caps will not help though.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] moneymike55:
I completely agree janetpanic, I was just trying to get that section of the t&c out there about notifying us over changes in case ppl are trying to switch. Didn't mean to sound like I was complaining with the couple outbursts of frustration lol. I just think its interesting my t&c (effective June 28,2008)doesn't say anything about 10gb but then they add it in without changing the revision date, and then change it again to 5gb at the end of last year without notifying any of us about it first. Don't u agree that this should constitute a breach in contract according to the terms of their rights to make changes? I'm just saying that this should be used to justify complaints made to tmobile over the 5gb limit. Maybe we can get it back to 10 lol, which I doubt but hey, if it worked for the g1 it could work again especially when sprint and vzn users aren't getting capped. There just doesn't seem to be any other options other than switching carriers or connecting your phone over wifi to avoid using too much unlimited data now that the loopholes are closed. If they're really implementing the throttle from the tower now like what seems to be the case, there isn't a single file we can modify on the user-end to get around it. Unless anyone has a better idea, i think the people still interested in trying to fight data throttling or at least get it back to 10gb should form a strong argument against the issue, and once we find one that can't be disputed they'll get tired of telling the same lies trying to defend it. They need to realize ppl are mad about it and willing to switch if its not changed, and that their numbers are off if they really think only 1% are affected by throttling at 5gb (and even if it was 1%, that's still a lot when you consider they have what, a few hundred million customers?). Not trying to argue with anyone or complain, I just cant see myself or anyone else with a legitimate reason to use ~7gb/mo (I don't even know what torrents are and don't have Netflix, I do my school work and make my money on my phone and don't consider that abusing the network) dealing with this every month for the next year when i really don't want to switch from tmo over this issue.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] neoobs:
Just so you know, as read 90kb/s (with a small b) is bits Cap B or cap KB is Bytes/KiloBytes
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] moneymike55:
Its a shame we even have to use the word "bit" in 2011 at all, especially to describe current data speeds.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] elmejor183:
I would be fine with the throttle, but I do find that the rate at which they bring you down to is excessively low. 60kb/s is unacceptable. I would be fine with half a megabit per second. And maybe raise the throttle point to 10gb.

I will be filing several complaints. Bbb, FCC, and all the other Cc's I can find. I have to say that I don't feel I am straining the network in anyway. Nor am I doing things which can bring it to its knees. If anything they could prioritize and when there is a lot of users using data give priority to those who haven't used much data, And slow down those that have. However when the network can handle much of the traffic let it go to peaks.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] rolf90:
AMAZING!!! thank you so much..

this is the first time ive ever used adb

EDIT: now i read a couple pages i noticed that i will still be throttled smh...i should have never let anyone use my phone. i guess all i gained from this was how to use ADB
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] crz6662:
So, did it remove the throttle ?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] rolf90:
yeaa not working for me either...
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] rolf90:
no i still am running at 0.05mbps downloads!! in orlando fl thats pity!:mad:
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] robv720:
Just wanted to add in here. I did the services.jar method, and the *#*#4636#*#* phone info AP changes. Neither worked. However whenever I deleted the number file in /data/system/throttle/ I was able to use the full connection speed again instead of just 60kbps.

From there I modified the file and pushed a new one to that folder. I also changed the permissions on it through ADB Shell to chmod 444 (for some reason it didnt want to let me through terminal on the phone).

Currently my /data/system/throttle/IMEInumber contains "null" and is read only to all users.

#pwd

/data/system/throttle/

#ls -l

-r-xr--r-- 1 root root 4 jan 24 22:24 1xxxxxxxxx

#cat 1xxxxxxxxx

null#
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] sundar2012:
Excellent - now we just need to know if you can push through the cap.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] robv720:
I've been running 3.8mbps (about the max in my area that I've seen) since I made that change. It hasn't been capped back to this point. I'll throw a link to the speedtest when I'm trolling from home.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] rolf90:
do i reboot the phone after i delete the number file? i did that still getting sloww speeds
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] robv720:
If you delete the number file, it'll let you go without throttle for a little bit, but it gets generated again.

The way I battled that was by adb pushing a modified file and adb shell chmod 444 the file.

In notepad++ I made a file of the same name.

I put the word "null" in it. Save the file (be sure to remove any file association like .txt)

>adb push filename /data/system/throttle

>adb shell

#cd /data/system/throttle

#chmod 444 filename

this will provide you a read only file that won't get overwriten (that I've seen anyway)

I did the ADB from recovery so that the network wasn't connected. This can also be accomplished by turning off the radio in *#*#4636#*#*, just remember to turn the radio back on.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] rolf90:
well would you mind posting the file that you pushed to the system/throttle?? please
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] sino8r:
That's not a bad idea changing the data counter file to read only. Let us know how it goes the next few days and after reboots. I'll re do the first post and it add on there with instructions. I was about to close the thread. I guess we can try doing that first...
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] sino8r:
Just copy the file from /data/system/throttle folder and add null to it. How difficult is that? Besides, I assume it would have to match YOUR data count.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] robv720:
I think its the phone IMEI number actually. But its more of a guess than anything as the file name in /data/system/throttle would always be the same number.

Its as simple as "create a new text file" remove the .txt part, name it the same name. push, chmod, done.

Sitting 3G right now, ran a couple speed tests while tethered.

Speed test post reboot (had some protocol issues, http was working, pretty much everything else was not, icmp, snmp, vnc, etc)
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] sino8r:
Its basically a log for data count. Pull your imei from settings and you'll see nothing in it or named matches your imei. Did you keep all the old info from the file and add null or just named a blank file with the same number and add null?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] moneymike55:
I would like to know to know the same thing. I haven't even been able to find the throttle file but I'm just using the stock cm file manager to search the system folders. Do you have to pull it through adb or are u guys using an app?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] chronopc:
I'm a noob and I have a question about how to access "/data/system/throttle". I tried typing in the following:

>adb push filename /data/system/throttle

>adb shell

#cd /data/system/throttle

But command prompt just says "not found". Do I need to have my phone in recovery mode?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] gaww:
Also, did you do the framework file mod that this thread started with also, or did you do ONLY the throttle file modification?

Pardon me for this, but exactly what does "chmod 444" do?

Also, there are two files there. It starts with only the "temp" file when you wipe/flash new ROM, but as soon as you connect, there is the 9 digit number named file. I assume this is the file that gets "null"ed. Did you also delete the temp file?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] chronopc:
How did you find the throttle file? Did you do it through adb?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] knotphunnie:
q4t!

10czar.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] sino8r:
Guys, you can find the file using root explorer or any root access file manager or just use adb pull command.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] rolf90:
No use a root explorer...can be found in the market I personally use super manager.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] rolf90:
as for that number file...it never came back after i deleted it..ill try a couple of reboots and such and see what happens
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] portis:
please can anybody help me with this - when i type the last line of the code "# chmod 444 filename" it returns this: unknown option -- 2BusyBox v1.16.2androidfull (2010-08-01 14:57:25 EDT) multi-call binary.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Chadastrophic:
Can this all be done through root explorer, or is adb needed?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] buru898:
You can use Root Explorer to copy and paste your new services.jar into your system/framework/ then just reboot your phone.