yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Captivate General] joebw:
I must have lucked out, because my refurb came in perfect condition 2 months ago and hasn't had any shut down issues (knock on wood). Plus you can't beat the $50 price tag for a phone of this caliber.
[Captivate General] veive:
Sure I can, mine was free since I have an employee discount on my account. :D
[Captivate General] bigjimsax:
Warranty is a year for new devices and 90 days for refurb. Once you get a refurb your warranty is 90 every time you get a new refurb. And yes you can go to an ATT Service Center and get it swapped out. I have not had an issue getting replacements.

I was going to post the link but I can't so PM me for the att answer website for the list of service centers.

wireless.att.com/answer-center/main.jsp?t=solutionTab&ft=&ps=solutionPanels&locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB91429
[General Topics] sere83:
So I convince my sisters husband to trade in his iphone 3Gs for an HTC Desire HD. Within a week he is selling it on ebay, siteing very weak battery performance, poor multitouch implementation and general Lag as the main issues. He's actually gone back the 3GS.

I am an android fan an user. But while the poll seems to suggest the Desire HD is the best android phone of the year personally I disagree. The battery life on this device is absolutely appalling. Whats the point in having all those features when you MUST disable pretty much all connectivity/widgets etc to get a days use out of it? Personally I think it's poor engineering on HTC'S part. This in my mind shows a lack of thought as well on HTC's part.

How is it also that a device with the most ram on the market and one of the most capable CPU's is still laggy? I've seen it myself, it does pale in comparison to an iphone 4. And the multitouch implementation is also not as smooth. Now these issues wouldn't bother me as much because I love the android platform but for regular more superficial consumers who aren't looking to hack their device (like my sstsres husband) these are obvious problems and perceived as a direct indication of the superiority of apple devices.

I used to be an HTC fan but I am now becoming skeptical. My next android device will almost certainly not run sense UI as I think it is a contributing LAG factor and provides little actual benefit due to the Weak battery performance on most high end HTC devices.

So can anyone explain to me why all high end android devices are considerably more laggy and the UI's less fluid than the Iphone 4 and even the 3GS? Is it the software coding? Graphics engine? Manufacturer specific optimizations? The platform as a whole? Multi tasking? Hardware/Software integration? The way the transitions are implemented?
[General Topics] Akulamenuri:
I hate I can't be of assistance but I have not experienced lag on my high-end android device.
[General Topics] apollooff320:
I see lag and have a HTC Evo. It lags while scrolling through web pages and it lags while scrolling through the apps. This is because of the Android OS. Open up system panel and scroll up and down in the open apps and watch the cpu spike to almost 100%...WTF. This is what causes the stuttery look. It's not smooth at all compared to the Iphone.
[General Topics] N8ter:
The software isn't coded to efficiently offload to the GPU.

Dalvik isn't as great as other VM implementations (like .NET CF, I'm not sure if Apple uses a VM implementation - I have used, but never owned, an iOS device).

Manufacturer additions can clog the device up.

Also, Location services running in the background (even with GPS off) use your Cell Radio - draining battery. C2DM is nice and all, but most applications are coded also to work with 2.1 devices and tend to fail at choosing which one to use exclusively on FroYo devices. This leads to more battery drain.

Widgets use too much battery power. They need something similar to Live Tiles or PUSH-based updating instead of polling for widgets. If Google would develop decent stock Widgets, we'd be less dependent on these battery draining third-party or manufacturer widgets.

Most Android phones poll for Facebook/Twitter/etc. updates at specified intervals, using up battery. In addition, the Official (and third-party) Facebook/Twitter apps poll alongside the Android integrations, using up double the amount of battery power needed to update 2-4+ separate entities with the same data. Manufacturers should just integrate the official apps, instead of making redundant integrations into the base system. Waste of resources and battery power.

The base Android system is simply less efficient than something like Symbian when it comes to conserving data and Android developers generally don't worry about these types of things until after their applications are released, and it can take them months to remedy the issues due to the inefficiencies in the code, etc.

Then don't respond.
[General Topics] sere83:
Thanks N8ter, nice for someone to finally shed some light on the subject. Really think they need to address some of these issues, especially if they are to change the mainstreams perceptions of the OS.

Any chance this little update's gonna help you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx3pdWBlZ34&feature=player_embedded
[General Topics] ante0:
I've yet to see any great lag on my Desire Z.

Sure, it can lag from times. But usually doesn't. This is probably because of OC and using a non-rosie rom.

Using a non-sense rom would help even more, as Sense itself causes lag.
[General Topics] flyboyovyick:
I don't get lag on my gt540.

And thats a low end phone running 2.1.

Why you getting lag?
[General Topics] tolis626:
Well,it's mostly due to lack of UI hardware acceleration.The iCrap had it first because Apple needs to develop their OS for only one piece of hardware,which means it can be optimized in every possible way.Android and other platforms(although I think WP7 also has hardware acceleration) lack this and all of the UI is for the CPU to handle.Software rendering is zip compared to hardware,as GPUs are far more powerful than CPUs,they just use a limited instruction set,but they need no compiler.

Hope I helped! :)
[General Topics] scott.deagan:
It's a serious design flaw the needs to be addressed. Use the GPU, Luke! It feels awful using an Android handset, especially if you come from the perfect (albeit "limited" in some respects) world of another platform (I don't want to mention its name here). This problem completely shatters the user-experience.

If you, like millions of others, want to see this design flaw addressed, then cast your vote here:

(I can't post links, just search for "Android Issue 6914" - should be the first result).

Also, looks like Samsung are doing something about it with their latest Android 2.2.1 update that should be hitting the UK soon:

(again, can't post links, go to YouTube and tack this on the end of the URL: "watch?v=JpH3oX9RhIE").

(Youtube: watch?v=MkZZXeF5uV8)

At the moment, "Android" in synonymous with "lag" and "sluggishness". The above YouTube links of 2.2.1 on the Galaxy S show Android the way nature intended it to run! They show that things can be different, and we don't have to suffer that shame and embarrassment of sub-standard UI performance that's a far second to (you know who)!!

I for one am hoping Samsung's example with 2.2.1 is a sign of things to come (I've been hoping this for over 2 years now - sigh...).
[General Topics] ram130:
I hope so as well. Lay is a major issue and to me waste battery life.
[General Topics] german103:
I get no lag with my vibrant even with little storage left.
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
I rarely ever get lag, only time I have on my Inc is when I downloaded an app that didn't agree with the phone.

Sent from my ADR6300 using......blah blah you get the idea.
[General Topics] galaxys:
Had no lag on my Nexus One with Froyo or now with Gingerbread.
[General Topics] Dirk:
Go try the Microbes LWP. You'll soon see it :D
[General Topics] galaxys:
HaHa! I'll take your word on that one :D and stick with my stable rom...for now ;)
[General Topics] obsidianchao:
Samsung Fascinate. No lag. Battery about the same as an iPhone unless put through rigorous usage. Amazing screen / multitouch.

Screw HTC.

Samsung Fascinate, Verizon

EB01 Superclean 2.4

Kenesis' TransMyst GBKB (EPIIIIIC)

Mob87's Honeycomb Theme

Stock Kernel
[General Topics] ram130:
I guess you guys have less than 50 apps..I understand..really.
[General Topics] muerteman:
On my at this point low powered Eris I'm running with sense and have 60 apps installed with almost no lag
[General Topics] ram130:
I have 104 :) ..
[General Topics] vikashfoolsu:
My dad is using a stock Mytouch 4G and I noticed some lag when I was playing around with it, and we've only had our phones for about a month . I am running CM7 RC2 on mine and I think it's safe to say that sense is what causes a good part of the lag. I think GPU acceleration is what is needed to keep android from running dry due to laggy devices. I know a couple of people who immediatly opted to get the iPhone over android because the devices were faster.
[General Topics] bambam913:
My vibrant used to lag sometimes on and off went it was stock. Got tired of it and rooted my phone and then started playing with custom roms. Stock androids are a bit laggy at times but if you have the guts to root your phone and download some customs roms you wont regret it. So fast and smooth.

Trigger + Tigerblood = Winning
[General Topics] Zoidpilot:
Personally I think that a lot of the lag is because of the bloatware our providers add into the Android system. I'm not saying its perfect or anything but since I got rid of the sense UI, my phone doesn't skip a beat! I have to admit though, that's one thing apple got right: no third party crap installed when you buy. It doesn't matter what provider, the phone always starts the same. Still I wouldn't betray Android for the world... best phone I've ever owned hands down
[General Topics] Arsaw:
Agree... Android is an open source software. Manufacturers, carriers, developers and end users whether care or don't care, will throw anything into their Android device. So you cannot expect it to have no lag at all. Unlike Android, Iphone is made for highest usability and efficiency but lack of freedom.

I love Android :)
[General Topics] LoveisPeace2012:
I was wondering, if android is open source would it not be possible to bake in gpu hardware acceleration into our roms?
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
It's quite likely possible but would require quite a bit of work, would be device specific, and would likely make the battery life even worse and most phones are already pretty bad. It's sad because if android didn't lag so much and if I could find a decent cover-up for the hideous UI I'd certainly consider it a viable choice. For now it still seems like a beta-level project though.
[General Topics] LoveisPeace2012:
Yea I'm guessing it would be difficult, but what about for goggles baby like the nexus s? Damn I love android its like having a mini computer in your pocket but no hw acceleration bugs me. The ui not so much because of all the roms and customisabiltiy
[General Topics] Skellyyy:
Anybody ever think that the 'lag' on Android is due to transitions? Use Spare Parts and set transition speeds to fast and you'll see a big difference and you'll think your phones a rocketship. :eek: :D
[General Topics] raven_raven:
It's not Android lagging. It's HTC Sense HD. I've got HD2. If I try to use DHD ROM on my device, it's horrible experience. It's beautiful, but still slow as hell. Things are better with Desire ROM, Sense is older, but noticably faster. But real fun is when I load CM7/AOSP ROM. Believe me or not, but it's butter smooth. NO LAG at all. It's fast, I mean FAST.

So problem is with HTC shell called Sense, not with Android.
[General Topics] zgod3189:
get new roms!!!
[General Topics] cuddigan:
Most annoying Android lag has to do with the most important functionality of the phone: making phone calls. I don't see any good reason for the dialing software to ever not be waiting in memory, but I've missed calls before due to not being able to swipe the answer button.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
After coming from a sense rom I know that vanilla android may seem faster but it is far from lag free. There is no hardware accelerated UI and it shows. That and the aesthetic car wreck they call an OS is the main reason I transitioned to WP7.
[General Topics] Dirk:
Vanilla Android is faster but i believe raven_raven was talking about CM7, which i agree is butter smooth. I encounter the occassional hitch but every device will get that sometimes. Hardware accelleration would be nice though :)
[General Topics] ram130:
Sucks you got to root to be near lag free.. sad.
[General Topics] raven_raven:
That's what you're thinking and it's alright. I just see things differently. I'm quite happy with my HD2 and don't experience lags you're talking about.
[General Topics] ram130:
If you guys have less than 60 apps or barely use your phone you won't see any lag.. especially when texting and browsing at the time.. or relying to this thread through the browser.. it seems android can't handle more than 150 apps without slowing down or having battery decrease.. shows how non efficient it is.. especially with apps in the background taking up memory which android lags to close when opening or switching betweens things..

I hope gingerbread is better.. my friend has 350 apps on his iphone without any slow downs..
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
This might explain why I don't ever get lag.

I'm pretty strict on what I download, so I only have like 25 apps.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Number of apps doesn't matter. Itally dependant on how many you have in the background but its primarily caused by a poorly coded os
[General Topics] ram130:
Yep I find that if I freeze the bloatware that comes with my phone Android will start other apps and put them in the background to take up memory..mainly after an restart which is what causes the lag, ..lets say your texting then open the market or Google Maps..you get a lil lag or a blank out screen for a few seconds ..this is because Android is trying to free memory(which uses cpu) for the app your switching too..

So to have a lag free os, you might have to keep less than 20 apps on your phone lol..or freeze the majority with TB ..:(

also lag usually start happening after your phone have been on for 48hrs or more, while using apps with out FC closing them but rather the back button..again, efficiency is lacking. Leading to a reboot every week or two days..
[General Topics] taker2:
yeah, you are right
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skedone:
i have a desire that has been unrevoked and clockworkmod installed i have also installled miui rom, but i would like to install amon_ra recovery as i prefer it as it has partition tools and alike and its what im used to as i have a Hero as well.

my question is this can i use unrevoke on the rom i have installed to flash the amon_ra recovery or not? or can i just use a terminal emulator like i did on the hero when i update it.

or is there another way

p.s it is not s-off ONLY unrevoked

thanks in advance
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
Should be able to do it again and flash AmonRA over CWM - not tried it myself, though
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skedone:
well i will give it a go later
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCX Designs:
[Q] Android 2.3 "Gingerbread" official, will developers bring it to Droid Incredible?

With Android 2.3 "Gingerbread" finally announced and rolling out to NEXUS ONE users as of today, will the XDA developer community be porting the OS to our Droid Incredible's? I wonder how long it will take HTC to roll out 2.3.

Will we see one?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ThugEsquire:
I also must know. I presume that CyanogenMod will come first and that Sense with 2.3 may take longer to be ported.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCX Designs:
If my memory serves me correctly, 2.2 was announced in May and we saw it on Droid Incredible July 31st
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tnerb123:
So I am betting we do not get froyo before the end of the year. What I mean is the official release will not be this year. My question is, why is it that most of the other phones that can handle froyo already have had it for months, but Samsung is so behind and can't get it out the door?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norcal einstein:
Since nothing constructive can come out of this thread, I'll direct you toward a thread on another forum with the same topic being covered:

http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/229120-froyo-over-under.html
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avgjoegeek:
Hmm.. I'm going to still say before Christmas.

As it is now Samsung Epic has the official Froyo build from Samsung. So... one can only hope.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alphadog00:
This thread is a waste:

1. Samsung still says by the End of Year we will have Froyo. They never said we would have it earlier - only the international i9000 was specified as November

2. Epic got a leaked release - it is not official Froyo. It may turn out to be, but there is not official annoucnement from Sprint or Samsung that Froyo has been released for the Epic.

People need to get facts straight. They may not be what anyone wants to hear, but they are the facts.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SkitchBeatz:
I thought the same Epic release was hosted on Google's servers so... doesn't that make it official?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avgjoegeek:
lol.. what I get for reading Endgadget while on the pot :)
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alphadog00:
Google hosts all kinds of stuff. It could be any one of the Beta builds pushed out to testers OTA.

If it were official, don't you think Samsung and Sprint would be shouting about it?

One web site had this post:

"I don't think this is the real deal.t The only phones that got the OTA were one with a hardware version endind with .4 ,these are test phones. Every production Epic is a .5 phone. You can check your version by looking at (about phone) in the settings menu."

Although it is 2.2.1 - most sites are saying now it is most likely a leaked Dev build.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fldude99:
My 2c is that ATT couldn't really care less if they push out 2.2..so I doubt the Captivate will ever have an official upgrade to froyo..just too expensive in terms of R&D..remember, we're dealing with Ma Bell here-just under a different dress
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Miami_Son:
HTC recently released a ROM update on their site for the AT$T Tilt 2. Info about it was nowhere to be found on the AT$T site. This is a phone that is no longer in production and near the end of its life cycle, but AT$T thought enough of it to release not only an updated ROM with fixes, but with the nicer Sense 2.5 UI instead of the original TF3D 2.1. I think a Froyo update from AT$T for our phones will eventually come.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cappysw10:
I'm still shooting for St. Patrick's Day, around the end of Q1.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ShaunMichael80:
Gingerbread was released for Nexus One today...anyone know how long till it hits G2 owners? Being a vanilla phone shouldnt we be next?
[G2 and Desire Z General] funkadesi:
Since G2 is an official T-Mo phone, all depends on T-Mo's mood I guess...
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
It'll be out as a custom ROM sooner than as an official update, I would expect.
[G2 and Desire Z General] xSunny:
Def give it a couple of days let the devs go through the sdk.. Its gonna be a little work moving it over to the g2 because of the physical keyboard and also all the new additions like voip, gyroscope, nfc and all that they gotta make it all work so give it a couple days.. Maybe even something quick tonight..
[G2 and Desire Z General] the orange bandit:
Yeah. Although honestly, I'm kinda loving the Desire Z ROM - I don't know if I can go back to the stock camera app, frankly. From the SDK screenshots on the Google blog, it doesn't look like there's any real changes there, either.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Azrael3123:
Actually, we could be waiting a while. According to cyanogen as well as a lott of other devs, the g2 isn't as vanilla as first thought. There's a lot of HTC crap over it and someof the stuff is designed to look like stock while being something else entirely. The point is, it could take a while for us to get it......at least officially....
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
The SDK isn't the source code though, just the stuff to help you develop Android apps.

Anyone know when the source code usually gets released ? Will it be the day the Nexus S ships ? Or before/after ?
[G2 and Desire Z General] nivlac978:
They said it would be coming soon but they said the same for the announcement of 2.3 and that wait felt like forever.
[G2 and Desire Z General] rp1783:
As a general rule newer versions of android are merged into aosp within a few weeks to a month after the sdk. At least that's what we've historically seen.

It is possible and fairly easy to create a port from the sdk however it tends to be buggy at best.

Once we get a link from an ota from the nexus one we should be able to put together a proper port.

If you're waiting for Cyanogenmod you'll be waiting til 2.3 hita aosp as steve and company build directly from the source.
[G2 and Desire Z General] xSunny:
Well yeah lets see since the nexus one is pretty similar visually to the g2 instead of the hardware keyboard we have we should def be able to switch around the update nd use it for us =] cant wait!
[G2 and Desire Z General] android602:
I'm with @THE ORANGE BANDIT...im loving sense...I also don't know if I would go back to it...but than again I could just switch back and fourth between gingerbread and sense

sent from t-mobile g2 using HTC sense
[G2 and Desire Z General] r3s-rt:
T-Mobile reps told me when I bought the G2 that it was going to be getting the OTAs first, along with the MT4G. So you can possibly expect enomther to release it first.
[G2 and Desire Z General] KiNG OMaR:
source?

If there's no source theres no proof.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Azrael3123:
Source? Source for what? Whether the G2 is stock android? That isn't speculation, at this point its a fact that it isn't "clean" android. If you want to be sure of that, just read cyanogens posts in his thread or the nightly discussions. Gingerbread will need to be ported to this phone just like with any phone running a custom ui albeit faster though because HTC didn't go as far as a whole custom ui. Regardless, I would be willing to bet that gingerbread source is released and ported to cyanogenmod before the G2 gets an OTA.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Barret7sc:
Even if the stock G2 rom isn't quite as pure as it looks, should that even matter? Isn't the point of something like CM to get AOSP to run on the phone? I was under the impression that CM included very few hacks that are device specific.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Azrael3123:
No, it doesn't matter if your phone is rooted and running a custom rom. I was reffering to the delay for an official gingerbread OTA. That's why I said it would be ported to CM before its officially ported to the G2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Vandam500:
Gingerbread is not out for the Nexus One yet. Also once the source for it is released then the rom makers can start working on it :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Barret7sc:
Sorry about that. Apparently I am having trouble reading today.
[G2 and Desire Z General] luis86dr:
The new nexus will be running stock gingerbread I'm assuming? Or a mashed up version of touchwiz :vomit: / gingerbread

[G2/HTC Vision]
[G2 and Desire Z General] Vandam500:
Yes, stock Android on 2.3
[G2 and Desire Z General] urfavoritemazn:
t-mobile reps are the worst source of information....lol
[G2 and Desire Z General] shortlived:
Cheers! You probly get better information asking at the macdonalds drive-thru!