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[Desire HD General] sergiopi:
From HW point of view there are HW features, and those aren't related to different SW releases or jailbreak.

This is the first step of the analysis , yes retina is nice but resolution...., poor GPS receiver is always poor GPS :-) ... camera resolution, better flash, bigger screen size from DHD, coated display, really "strong" chassis, good connector, front camera are from iPhone side

About OS... iPhone can print on most printers, directly, backup ON YOUR PC every time you sync it, (if you loose your phone backup on SD card. :-) ) easy screen snapshot, DHD browsing experience is much better (Adobe flash, more support to new standards), navigation, voice search, Google integration... Both OSes are quickly improving

From applications , many applications for both phones, may be more are for apple platform but the needed (and much more) apps are usually better for Android, due to less limitations for OS (apple is really CLOSED)

Jailbreak, rooting, yes you can improve your experience but stability... and for business users or heavy users stability is the most important part of the game :-)

Then the last: the feeling.... I prefer DHD
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
I don't like apples philosophy i agree, my wife has a 3g which I really want to like the UI is super slick, but little things like making it hard to sync a few pictures/songs , rather than a whole library, to the phone, needing a computer to activate it (WTF it's a phone for chrissakes), proprietary connectors, no usb mode when connected to any pc, tethering etc. make it really hard to get along with
[Desire HD General] AllWin:
aleoca333,

"Jailbroken iphones dont need itunes"

Good luck with that ;) http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/not-a-good-time-for-iphone-unlockers/

"Iphone 4 32gb has all the space you need"

With Desire HD you can:

1. simply throw your SD card to friends laptop and copy some quite large video WITHOUT having to carry any cables.

2. take someones else SD card and copy hes taken video (let's say 700MB) into your phones memory WITHOUT having to copy it on some computer.

How would you do that on iPhone? Over Bluetooth? :D

also...

3. if an iPhone fails, most likely you'll loose all you files, which won't happen if you will store them on SD card. Yes, SD cards are failing sometimes too, but not as often as phones.

*Don't even think about saying "online backup". If you'll do this, i might be forced to ask you to share your naked wife's photo. For back up ;) What's the difference where it'll be stored: on some iCompany's server or my PC?

** Don't take it seriously.

"I dont see how this can be useful"

I hope you're kidding here? Would you like to go back to iPhone 3G times, when they had 128MB of RAM?

"The way the multitasking is implemented in iphone is better"

I don't see how this can be better :D
[Desire HD General] rosswaa:
3gs vs dhd? LMAO!!! dhd destroys pretty much every phone out there imo, even the iphone 4

so keeping the 3gs instead of getting dhd isnt even worth thinking about, GET DHD

:D
[Desire HD General] makbil:
I've been using a 32 GB 3GS for the last couple of months (with my HTC HD as a backup) and last week got my DHD.

I'll say my conclusion at the beginning, I would definitely choose DHD over 3GS :)

DHD: Best screen I've seen yet, very fast and responsive. However, you will need to carry some sort of backup battery even if you are not a power user, the screen just sucks the life out of that flimsy battery. Best sound quality I've heard while listening to music, especially with SRS active, camera and GPS way better than iPhone. The Android market is growing but not on par with iTunes yet, also there are some problems where you can't find an application that is available. Apparently this is due to the phone's ROM's footprint not being properly registered by HTC with Google, market thinks your phone is not compatble and does not display those programs (test for Paypal and Grocery Gadget). I have been able to find most but not all programs I use on my iPhone so I predict that as Android becomes more popular, software will not be an issue. I'm not a gamer so can't comment on game performance but everything else runs fast and smooth, no lags. All this without rooting the device. DHD can be customized far better than iPhone can ever be. I like it that I can see all the info I need at a glance on screen, remember that iPhone still can't use widgets. DHD is much more flexible for watching video, it played some 350 MB files I tested perfectly. Also, I don't think it matters how you hold the DHD, signal strength is not an issue :)

3GS: Jailbreak is a must for me, otherwise iPhone becomes useless as some programs I need are just not available on iTunes (call & SMS filtering for one). At this point I can say that the only advantage iPhone has over DHD is the vast amount of sw available for it. As with the DHD, I don't feel comfortable leaving home without a battery backup with me, I would say the 3GS is on par with DHD regarding this battery issue. 3GS does not have radio hardware so if you like listening to FM stations you need to install sw and use your data connection. If you want to watch wmf files, you need to install vlc or oplayer, so at least that restriction is gone.

In general I have an issue with someone (Steve Jobs) deciding what I can watch and do on my device. I'm tired of the cat and mouse game with new firmware and jailbreaks every few months, it's just not worth it.

In conclusion, the Android market is catching up with iTunes, I don't think I will need to look back on iPhone after next year. I'm not even going to compare hardware, even iPhone 4 is a clear looser when compared to DHD.
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
most important point you've made, people nag how HTC and android devices suffer in waiting for updates, while IOS gets updates all the time

but considering you wait months for a single feature that should have been there from the start with IOS not to mention that every time you have to wait for it to be jailbroken or even worse having to accept tethered jailbreaks, this whole phone locking thing is ridiculous

after years since iphone 2G still no bluetooth nor flash, i took three years for multitasking, and then you had to wait for multitasking enabled apps and redownload all your apps, iphones get updates true but extremely slow evolution

whenever i meet with my cousin outdoor we exchange apps and videos through bluetooth without a sweat, not mention i don't have data plan so he offers me internet throught wifi hotspot, if this ever comes to IOS it will be called "new iphone, the best got better"

picture thumbnails in phonebook list, sms and quick dialing options/widgets saves you the bother to look up names, something IOS insist on not having

till this date there is not one update the IOS had that equaled the jump froyo offered, open source means you can modfiy your device kernel just check how many old android devices are gettting improvement thanks to custom kernels

a jailbroken iphone is a pain to tweak even with cydia, you apply tweaks through cydia not knowing exactly what it is doing, its all a pain, if your device goes into a bootloop its a hell to fix

for marketing reasons apple intentionally locks important stuff in their updates from old devices even if they can run it like HDR, iMovie, game center and 720p recording, last iphone update bricked the iphone 3G although it didn't even offer anything new not even multitasking, apple charges ipod touch users for updates, iphone updates are a f&@#$* joke

HTC might drop support for it devices in one year but at least you can continue on your own, there is always an managable way, unlike the iphone which doesnt even have a boot menu, by the way HTC is getting better in this department desire, legend and wildfire are receiving updates

i dont care if all the devs in the world bow to its money making powers, iphone never again

everything the iphone 4 is (hight quality material, high res screen, good camera and flash) was a response to phones like the nexus one, prior to that apple fooled everyone by just updating 1 megapixel to the camera and the internals from iphone 3G to 3Gs and keeping the same design and even worse jumping from 2G to 3G only offered a different design (metal down to plastic) + 3G network, they kept the same screen through 3 iterations, seriously its all joke
[Desire HD General] marvi0:
i like new gadgets, and so bought a hd and i also own an iphone 4, and to be honest, once you have used the iphone, their is no way in hell, the hd, can change your mind. I had to take it back, it was basically aweful. You cant get apps like sky, cnn, and bbc the sky app though available on android, is useless, and all the apps, like kik, facebook even twiitter, are just better, on the iphone. I had them both on edge, today, and the iphone, was able to cope, with pushmail, as well as browsing the net, and playing last fm, but the hd, struggled. The battery life oh my word, its terrible, the iphone is far more superior, and refined, and with those guys on the jailbreak scene, releasing apps, the way they do, am glad, i have my iphone 4 and when 5 comes out next year, apple will have my cash, provided i can still jailbreak, which i think is the secret of the iphone.
[Desire HD General] makbil:
I'm not an iPhone defender/basher but I felt I needed to add a few things:

@hamdir has stated valid requests for his iPhone (such as wi-fi hotspot), all of those are available through Cydia once you jailbreak. However, even though jailbreaking has officially been legalized in the US, it doesn't prevent you from feeling like you are hacking your own device with the warranty conditions and all. Eventually, all this is not going to matter too much as long as Apple has the ability to convince the public that they have come up with this wonderful new feature, even though it has been available on other devices for several years.

As far as the build quality goes, I think it is very hard to beat DHD on that front. I had heard of various manufacturing flaws, but my DHD is rock solid with no faults.

And one final thing: the notification LED. The iPhone could sit on the table all day long and I would never know that I had email or a message!
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
u

battery is 12 hours to 36 hour after the phone calibrates when u pass few cycles, you make it sound like iPhone last days

Twitter better on the iPhone?...I don't think u used the DHD at all, or simply used it for a little while to prove u don't like it. I have an iphone loving friend who bought a classic desire used for two hours and gave up

he even cleared the launcher from all widgets and stacked app icons like the iPhone

Android is not IOS
[Desire HD General] makbil:
The funny thing is, actually it is. At the core, iPhone also runs a flavor of unix, just like Android. It's the user interface that makes the difference, and of course the marketing.
[Desire HD General] pwraggcan:
If you know what you're doing, the dhd is the one. Make it how you want. The iphone tells you what you want and android asks you and says "here I am", use me and modify me. Iphone now.... android or dhd when the best and superior rom is ready.

It's been said a million times. Android means OPEN SOURCE. Iphone..... closed
[Desire HD General] dekky18:
this is all subjective...

they are both good phones but not perfect.

iphone 4 or DHD?

hmmm...

its not an easy answer...

Iphone4 have way better apps and games and its a fact.

Dhd is an android and it lacks in apps and games support over the iphone.

Other than that its all subjective and it depends on you.

Try to compare an vw golf5 r32 (iphone) and porshe boxter (DHD)...

or PC gaming (DHD) and console gaming (iphone)....
[Desire HD General] marvi0:
When the original desire came out their was talk of an iPhone 3gs killer , i bought one for the wife and a 3gs for myself, and when selling the 2 phones a year later the desire had lost more value, than iPhone cause iPhone is far more superior. I will still give android a chance but certainly not the hd , cause no front facing camera, as the video call feature kicks of steam, so will def be buying the nexus s , just because i admire google, but as for the hd it can't and won't sway me away from iPhone. Am typing from my iPhone now and boy oh boy is it quick the text prediction is out of this world.
[Desire HD General] jonkers71:
I have dhd. Had used many iphones.

When iPhone 1st came out I wanted one after playing with it for a while. Not long after using it though I was like what ever.

New phone time and I got me a bb over 3g. Email was heaps better than iPhone and I just liked it.

New phone time again and now gen 4 iPhone and I didn't even consider it.

Think if your using Apple and love it no matter what u put in your hand it will never be an Apple.

If your like me like to tinker and not the biggest fan of Apple than at this point in time its kind of hard to beat dhd.
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
Don't you think that's normal given the fact that there is one iPhone per year by one manufacturer only. The DHD (and any other Android) is facing the competition from many manufacturers (HTC, Samsung, LG, Sony Ericsson, etc.) constantly pushing the limits and that's forcing them to release quite a few android phones each. You can decide for yourself if competition is a good thing or not. I made my choice and haven't regretted it a bit.

EDIT: My point is if you buy a phone to sell it at some point, buy an iPhone. If you buy a phone to enjoy it while you use it, go for the DHD. They both can make calls (one of them has to be held "properly" though ;) ) so they both do their primary job.
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
Fortunately it won't happen, because they compete in different market. Apple relies on their fans (people that buy it just because it's Apple not caring for the missing features and then happy when they eventually get them) and they created their own market in that sense.
[Desire HD General] yiwsg:
DHD, i bought mine with the extra 3 replacement battery, which i can change whenever the battery drains. hehehe....

And i was the iphone 4 user. Bought it because there is few apps i thought i needed and never know that it's available in android for "bigger" screen size.

Anyways, the things that i feel most sick about the iphone is the battery. I have to worry about my battery life whenever i am not on my desk and people is asking for my phone to playing games.

Have to, prepare a charger in office, at home as well as my car. Don't dare to turn on the wifi because worry about the battery life. Even you are hanging in outsides and you get bored waiting someone, you also don't dare to play the "good quality" game, and the 1st things you might consider is, would the battery can stands until the end of the day? This is called usability. I think every iphone user is facing this and sick with that. Especially those heavy users.

And i know there is tones of iphone battery accessories. yes, but i bought 3 battery, 1 desktop charger for my DHD about 20usd only, forget about the pricey iphone accessories which i am now feeling so glad that i didn't buy it when i am facing the battery problem with the iphone 4.

end of the words, i prefer DHD than iphone.
[Desire HD General] Seipher337:
My first post in here.i also switched over from iphone and I'm glad I took the leap! Loving it!

it feels great taking it out in the subway standing out from the many iphones around you :)

Made the choice, no regrets.
[Desire HD General] wakers:
Personally i think its more down to the individual.

If you like tinkering IME get a DHD i got very bored, very quick with an Iphone 4.

If you don't like tinkering then an iphone 4 may be for you, although i would suggest trying to use both and then make your decision.

The selling it and getting more for it is a nonsense argument as they cost more in the first place, I sent an iphone 4 back after a week and waited for the DHD to come i was using the HD2, my DHD over 2yrs is £250 cheaper than the Iphone 4 was going to be..

I liked the Iphone 4 but i prefer my DHD especially now i've tinkered with it, its awesome :)

(edited to add thats the cost difference with Vodafone in the UK anyway)
[Desire HD General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
its funny how you talk about the screen when apple lunched a new high rez screen. yet all other companies decide to think it didnt exist and still stuck at 400x800 rez.

sure iphone used the same screen. but when it was lunched in 2007. it was the best screen in the market where everyone was friggin using a pen for their ****ty WM 6.5

or do you want to talk about the horrible G1 that didnt even function like a phone ? so dont go talk about screens for phones when the best screen available in the market is in apple device. and thats not a personal thinking either.

also. one of the the cool things about apple that it doesnt change its hardware design that much. they actually do this for their fans. much like any respectfull company. hell even alienware laptops do the same. so you who bought a 3G phone 2 years back dont feel like u have an outdated phone when the 3Gs came out. most people didnt upgrade from 3G to 3Gs, they updated from 3G to 4.

as for software updates,,,, seriously ? you are pissed about an updated every 4 or 5 months ? its bugging you they are trying to add new stuff to the phone ? whatever u think the IOS is lacking from the beginning is up to you to decide. but you are pissed they are trying to fix what is broken or releasing new extra stuff ? dont go there man. and on top of that, you dont even have to update. hell i am still on 4.1 . there is no single thing forcing me to update to the newest firmware. and my phone is functioning perfectly.

ofcourse. i am not going to judge you for selling your phone. you might go buy a HTC Magic and YOU might have more fun with it than iphone 4. there are more than 10 billion person in this planet. if they all to love one thing is a distaster.

but dont go talk **** about other phones because you dont like it. people have this " **** " phone you dont like and they actually might think that the "phone you have " is worst thing happened to the mobile industry.
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
my post was a response to all those talking **** about anything not apple in this very thread

i said the new screen on the iphone 4 was a response to high res screens that has been around for over 2 year before the iphone 4, just like the 5MP camera took two years to come

HTC diamond had a 275dpi screen, two years before the iphone 4, nexus one/desire and android phones 800x480 @255dpi, which pressured apple to come up with something better

retina or not, 800x480 is quite HD and high res, android phone makers still didn't respond to this resolution game with apple, which is really good for us i really don't feel like waiting/redownloading every app for an HD+ version, the standards are still not broken, as for the updates i'm not pissed for updates, did you really read it? i'm pissed how they bring features very slowly much later than other provides and celebrate it as if they invented it, then they intentionally lock stuff from older phones, like the 3G 4.0 update was a joke it rendered the phone useless while barely bringing any new feature found in 4.0, for example all this fuzz and talk about camera optics, the iphone 4 camera definition in as much indoor daylight is pure bull&%$# its not the optics that make the iphone 4 pics good its the algorithm, it extract details as well as ton of noise, which works good in very good light/outdoor unfocused details and fails horribly in less optimal light/focused areas on the other hand the 720p performance is exemplary, the iphone 4 camera shines in some areas and fails in other just like the rest

i'm pissed at the whole "locking" thing, either way the whole post my opinion which i am untitled to, however i dare you to discredit any accurate info i gave

my friend as you can see i bought a Desire amoled followed by a desire SLCD then the Desire HD all straight form HTC unbranded, you can see i can quit afford what i want, before this after the 3Gs the iphone 4 stayed in my hands for two days before i let it go

the funny thing non apple users will try to advice you correctly when you ask them, like many on this thread been saying (if you want purely games go for iphone)

while apple users will patronize you and say (if you don't stick with the best die with the rest)
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
regarding what i can afford, it was to point out i was an iphone 3G/3Gs user and made the choice to let go of the iphone 4 unrelated to buying/selling cycle, it was related to my opinion that i gave

games, i advised the same as you regarding games but in the same i made it clear the games situation on android is quit good
[Desire HD General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
you do relize that half of those games are more than 1 year old if not more right ? and some of them are getting sequals only on iphone . aside from games like u said need like need for speed shift which iphone users already got sequal to it and no news on even new game support to android from those highly videogames makers like EA, Square Enix m, nacmo etc.

and i would understand you getting bored from the iphone to switch to different system. at one point i did dump the iphone 3gs for SGS. but i couldnt stay with the phone for long time. the OS is nice. i love it. but i love playing lots of games. i love the browsing on the phone. i love how somehow i dont make mistakes typing on the iphone and if i did it automaticly corrects it the write word. for some reason every time i used to do that with the SGS it either doesnt correct it or correct it wrong. its all those small details that made me say enough lets go back to iphone 4 " aside from the fact iphone 4 was very expensive and hard to find at first too "

to each has his own i guess. my bro bought DHD yesterday and its really nice phone. just wouldnt trade my phone 4 for it
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
there is news for better games support gameloft just did and the whole gingerbread focused on gaming tools thing

i already said in my post android is getting games later so yea i realize, i already said if you want games first go for iOS

by the way under the same perspective android received some of those same games in HD 6 months before the iOS

however we are simply debating games here, the benefits of android over iOS are countless apple is not as generous in features

finally touchwiz on the SGS sucks, HTC keyboard is celebrated by critics, it might be even better than the iOS keyboard

android you either want it pure vanilla which is the best most clean interface or the second best HTC sense tweaked interface (personal preference)

SGS in terms of interface is an iphone copycat and this why it will never feel better, HTC sense is a modification unlike touchwiz which tries to undo the android interface