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[Nexus S General] demo23019:
You're in for a treat i went to a vibrant from N1 its night and day...so much better in terms of hardware/performance

My situation is different I already own vibrant pretty much the same phone but samsung/tmobile take forever with updates.

I want exclusive updates like i got with my N1 back in the day and more XDA love

of course 2.3 also...but i lose the great video codecs mkv...ect that galaxy S supported and external SD IDK im still up in the air so far i buying it and can always return if dont like

Why take **** out when it was already their in the first place

All these missing features were already on galaxy S phones and shouldn't have been removed

BTW i have 16GB on phone and 16GB on my external SD and its combination on nandroid, titanium, ROM back-ups/ custom config files/ Themes /720p MKV/AVI movies/ Gameloftgames/MP3s/PICS/PS2, SNES..ect roms/Sub directories for programs all this crap adds up

....Sorry no porn

Sure you dont need all that stuff on hand but its quite covenant not to have to hook up to PC all the time to move **** back and fourth to make space

But yea i could probably manage fine with 16 GB thats why im still debating on getting it
[Nexus S General] AndroidMilos:
I for one will buy a Nexus S on the 16th! I can't wait! I can live with all the other "shortfalls" that everyone is complaining about. :)
[Nexus S General] azzeh3:
You got a good point but I have noticed lately that they have been giving alot of props to apple.

Do you think that they are trying to steer the phone makers in adopting these decisions LIKE taking the sd slot out?

Plus maybe these decisions where in the favor of the google devs. Which means since a dev phone it will be sold the same way.

ORRR even better the budget constraints....all these extra things cost money and Samsung thinking this device is going to be sold to a small market share they pulled all the things that make it a multimedia device out of it...

We may never know but you can explain if you have a better idea.Im open minded i'd like to hear some speculation =D
[Nexus S General] azzeh3:
LOL I will as well!!
[Nexus S General] theimpaler747:
I would for sure, but I have Sprint :o
[Nexus S General] vapotrini:
Stop making excuses for Samsung and Google.

This is a Vibrant with a curved screen running on Gingerbread. Nothing more.

I fail to see this as a worthwhile "upgrade".
[Nexus S General] azzeh3:
Im standing up for my self I dont care about making excuses...Ive owned a Vibrant and wish to get stock on it.

Plus SGS phones have faulty GPS and before you even say that they fixed it or even bash me for the excuse. Know that the maps application is a huge part of the Android OS and I would gladly say that I would fork over 550 for one that works and not 500 for one that dosent.
[Nexus S General] azzeh3:
Man ouch!!! lol I hope you can work somthin out or some how it comes to sprint which is a stretch but anything is possible.
[Nexus S General] theimpaler747:
Well I'm upgrading to the Epic in a week (already ordered it) so I'm not all that concerned. The Epic is better than the Nexus S IMHO :) But I do like the s.... nice phone :D
[Nexus S General] Hero Yu:
Who needs a micro sd slot ?

Im waiting for the white 32 gb apple version of the nexus s. Oh my bad I ment google.....

Facepalm fail google
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
Blahblah. Nexus S is gorgeous. I'm getting it. Lack of Orion and lack of HSPA+ gave me a hard hit to the chest but I'm over that.

I'll be the first person at Best Buy on the 16th.
[Nexus S General] sstang2006:
At first when I saw the lack of HSPA+ i thought about not getting it, but after comparing the speed of my G2 (temporary until Thursday) to my just SOLD nexus one, there was no difference (same 3mb down). It is going to take some good time untill tmobile goes over 7mb ( at least in my area).

I will be second in line after you buddy..
[Nexus S General] azzeh3:
Yeah I live in a HSPA+ area and my friend was comparing his speed to my sisters MT4G and he was laughing at her when his HD2 pulled the same 4megs a sec so im good since its as fast is it will be here...

Ceya on the 16th!!
[Nexus S General] bobbytomorow:
I think the Galaxy S sucks and this is basically a Galaxy S without a microSD slot
[Nexus S General] theimpaler747:
I like galaxy s phones.... faster than all other IMO ;) What don't you like about them?
[Nexus S General] Ilmoran:
Already have a Vibrant, don't feel this is a significant upgrade. Won't be getting it.
[Nexus S General] sstang2006:
What is advantage of the microSD card slot that everyone is dying for it?
[Nexus S General] bobbytomorow:
erm storage :rolleyes:
[Nexus S General] sstang2006:
If 13GB is not enough then I guess. I've been using an 8GB on my nexus for 11 months it never got close to getting full.

I prefer safety and speed over capacity.
[Nexus S General] azzeh3:
amen to that Im on same boat..
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
Thus proves my points elsewhere about HSPA+ not being that big of an upgrade.

My Vibrant has pulled the 7.2mbps (the device's cap). G2 pulled 10mbps. Not that big of a difference. Nexus S is limited to 7.2mbps.

The Nexus S DOES support HSPA+. The only thing is, it caps off at 7.2. G2 caps off at 14.4. If you're getting under 7.2.... It doesn't matter.

Galaxy S is the best til Nexus S :P You ever utilized one to it's fullest potential? I own Droid X, Nexus One, G2... Vibrant rapes alllllllllll. In every way minus Touchwiz and RFS, and the 10mbps I was getting on G2.
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
Speaking of safety, when I dropped my Vibrant when walking into a water hydrant like a retard, the battery cover flew off along with the battery and my micro sd card. Never found the sd card. Lost a lot of source code I had backed up on that.
[Nexus S General] theimpaler747:
Tons of storage :D I have over 18gb of music so...
[Nexus S General] dliao:
i'm coming from iphone4, and am getting one as soon as the att version come out. But i have to say I am partially related to some of the things you mentioned. The TV out is nice to have. I've made couple snowboard trip this season so far, and had shot couple videos with iphone (that i will eventually put together) that i was showing to friends at the end of the day. Would be nice to put them on TV.

The SD card storage is definitely a plus to have, first it's one of the argument all android users have against iphone (no external storage), so taking it out is like a slap on those people's face, secondly since android has apps that plays most video natively so naturally i'm going to load some of the videos i have. If i was to down-size them in order to fit them in the internal 16gb (instead of swapping out cards when you go on a trip) I might as well just convert them to mp4 format and load it in the iphone since i'd be going through the conversion, anyway.

My biggest concern tho, which i think is what most people have, is that this phone's life span is only 6 months. You have CES coming up early next year, as well as other events. We all know dual core mobile CPU is coming. Verizon's putting out 4G LTE, etc etc. We know what's going to happen next year, so buying this phone now doesn't sound like a good investment unless you are a hobbyist.

Good thing for me is that AT&T version is not out yet, so I will have time to evaluate my situation more :D
[Nexus S General] Superfrag:
I'm mostly buying one as well.

Only thing I can't stand in the S-AMOLED of my Vibrant, is that the text doesn't look as sharp as my G2, due to the Pentile Matrix arrangement, which really ticks me off. It's really apparent when check your mails, which is full text.. on my Vibrant it looks as if the borderline is fuzzy or pixelated, and it looks perfectly sharp on my G2. :(

Changing the LCD Density to 200 didn't help either.
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
What? I feel the exact opposite. Sent the G2 back right after looking back at my Vibrant's screen...
[Nexus S General] azzeh3:
dliao- I can probably speak for a bunch when I say the Nexus isn't for everyone.

I sold my Nexus One because I thought better phones were coming and they did but having a Nexus gave me good tools without having carries touch it.

That feeling of given a phone that has been altered for the worst of the customer intrest makes me feel like its not mine....almost like borrowing something for as long as you want, you get to have it for a while but still it isn't yours.

Just like the Iphone, apple told ATT "you are not allowed to touch it, just sell it". So for me Its personal and I like it to be 100% mine ;)
[Nexus S General] Superfrag:
I'll click some pictures and maybe make a 720p video to clearly illustrate what I'm talking about..
[Nexus S General] dliao:
That is exactly why I'm very much interested in this phone. Having direct software support from Google instead of having to wait for carrier or manufacture for OS update, etc.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
It looks like Google and Sammy pulled it off. They rushed out a Nexus branded phone to call "flagship" so that it could ship with Gingerbread before Christmas, and people are eating it up - and making excuses to justify it.

I guess people value $529 dollars differently, but don't forget you're not only paying a price. You're also giving up HSPA+ support, which going into 2011 will start becoming the standard. You're giving up an expandable SD card slot. Losing higher HD recording. Getting a downgraded bluetooth version. And a slew of other downgrades that seem to do the "Nexus" brand shame. But of course, like the hefty $529, everyone will value these things differently.
[Nexus S General] dliao:
And those are exactly why I have to debate really hard to justify the purchase!
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
1. HSPA+ support

Nexus S supports it. Just capped at 7.2mbps. Just like the Vibrant. And most other Android phones.

The G2 and MyTouch4g merely have 14.4mbps caps.

THEREFORE

If your current speed is less than 7.2mbps, you don't need an HSPA+ phone.

The highest I got with Vibrant is 7.2mbps. Highest I got with G2 was 10mbps.

2. Expandable SD card slot.

It will be missed but it's not to die for.

3. Higher HD Recording

It will be missed. May be hacked on. May be typo. Either way, if you're recording serious video, use a camera.

4. Downgraded bluetooth version.

Most complain about BT3 on the Vibrant due to it not supporting devices such as the Wiimote. 2.1 is much better for many including myself.

Either way, the Nexus S is beautiful. It may not be revolutionary but it is the way I wish my Vibrant had been from the start.

4G won't be real until late next year. Even then, it will still not be real 4G most likely. IMO, 7.2mbps on the go is more than fast enough. And of course, by then, another Nexus will probably pop out. I switch devices every 3-10 months. Had the Vibrant for the longest. Time to give it to the gf and get this.
[Nexus S General] J-manX:
Will the Nexus S be able to do video chat over the 3G network?
[Nexus S General] J-manX:
For me its an upgrade from the myTouch 3G slide.
[Nexus S General] Superfrag:
OH, big time upgrade. lol.
[Nexus S General] Cheeze[iT]:
This is very tempting. the fact that Best buy will have it will help... best to get a hands on to compare and see if I want to come back to this or the MT4G or keep my N8. Camera / battery life / voice calls are very key and it seems phones are lacking these these days.
[Nexus S General] j.bruha:
I completely understand people not wanting to buy it as I was on the fence since it was announced, but I ultimately decided it will be worth it for a couple reasons.

1) I'm still keeping my Nexus One. Worse comes to worst, I can still go back to the phone that has done me so well this past year.

2) The Nexus S brings to the table things that both the Vibrant and Nexus One do not have in one device.

The combination of 4" Super AMOLED, vanilla (and newest) version of Android, 5mp camera (with flash!), increased internal memory for apps, the addition of NFC, and the gorgeous styling make this phone a win for me. I still think it's a pain to not have an SD card slot, but given the rest of the package, it's a fair sacrifice.

I can better understand a Vibrant user's hesitation to upgrade, but the Vibrant was never an option for me mainly for the lack of camera flash and that it's STILL running 2.1 and most likely still will be when the Nexus S comes out.
[Nexus S General] shrivelfig:
It's not meant to be an upgrade, it's supposed to stand on its own merits. I believe it will sell in large numbers all over the world, despite not being a cutting-edge super-phone. I see absolutely nothing wrong with a curved-screen Vibrant on Gingerbread.

+1.

My Samsung I5700 will never get an official Android 2.2+. It's forever stuck on 2.1 because Samsung makes more money selling new hardware than updating the old phones for free. Also, Samsung write crappy drivers.

The Nexus S is the best of both worlds, Samsung hardware and Google software and drivers.
[Nexus S General] androidaddict23:
I for one been bashing google and samsung for these odd design flaws, but for me I think they have the best screens I'm really tempted to buy I would like a better screen but I'm waiting to hear about any problems first no way will I be a test dummy.
[Nexus S General] :
I've pre-ordered mine, just sold my iPhone 4 so hope its worth it.
[Nexus S General] splat matt:
FYI: GPS is definitely fixed on my vibrant with JK6.

With that being said, I'm pretty sure I will get it; but I will wait a month to see how the bugs are handled. Samsung has burned me to many times. Plus the N1 had several bugs that took a very long time for Google to fix (most notably the 3G radio).

MT4G (HTC Glacier) using XDA app.
[Nexus S General] -A-P-M-:
I will most probably buy Nexus S. REason is simple - if I want vanilla Android with all latest updates, Nexus S is the only choice. I know that in a few months there will be better phones with dual cores (I9100 etc ? ), but that doesn't help if it doesn't have stock Android. Also great hw doesn't help if sw isn't good - I9100 is nice example. It has more lag than for example HTC Desire.
[Nexus S General] ekerazha:
Who said this?

Edit: Ok, I've found the discussion: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=865102
[Nexus S General] raeef:
I wonder why do we need dual core on a phone? I feel it's like saying I want an i7 Q on a netbook :D

Batteries till now can hardly support the current processors, some people try to under-clock their processors to save some power. I think manufacturers should focus more on developing better technologies for power management.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
If I'm not mistaken, dual-cores should fare better for battery life since they use less power to do more. My understanding of this is very limited, so don't take my word, but that's the general understanding I have of dual-cores.

However, the lack of dual-core isn't what bothers some people; it's more the lack of HSPA+ support. And despite it being a rumor run amok, it seems perfectly legitimate and understandable that a Verizon Nexus S will have LTE support. By then, Samsung's processors may be optimized to take advantage of network's "4G" data. (Verizon to get 4G capable Nexus S?)
[Nexus S General] raeef:
It will depend I guess on the way you use the phone, check this http://www.guruht.com/2010/12/tegra-2-dual-core-vs-tegra-2-single.html

I agree on the H+ and SD lacking, that's not as good as having them of course :d but there is no one answer for that, for some 16 G is enough for others it might not be the case.
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
I'm still debating whether or not I would sell my N-1 to get the N-S.

Pros over N1:

1) 4' screen

2) SuperAMOLED / better sunlight visibility

3) Anti-fingerprint coating

4) True multitouch

5) Hummingbird processor

6) Front facing camera

6) 100% Google support

The "con's" (SD card, 720 recording, HSPA+, Dual core) don't really apply since any phone that has these features in 2011 will be sold directly by the carrier and won't have the ability to use t-zones.
[Nexus S General] demo23019:
U forgot GPU
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
For anyone that's upgrading from a Nexus One: You'll never go back. I feel like my Nexus One is 5 years old even compared to my Vibrant...
[Nexus S General] Lootes:
I will be getting one. Lack of dual core is not an issue for me, whether it is worse battery or better battery, I don't think the software is optimized for it. So I will wait to see what comes with honeycomb. No SD card, well I do not store any media on my phone. I was a bit bummed about the lack of HSPA+ but coming from ATT's horrible network where I live if I get anything over 1-2Mbps than I am upgrading. What I do like is software and updates that are being designed and managed by google.
[Nexus S General] theimpaler747:
Those are a fair amount of pros ;) I personally like the phone; I think it's a very solid Google offering and certainly a nice contender
[Nexus S General] truthkillszz:
im definitely getting it now im just wondering since i live in ny and there is a 24hr best buy in union square. will the phones go on sale at 12am? if so i will be on of the first to get it lmao
[Nexus S General] theimpaler747:
Probably lol, not really sure how they'll do that 12 am stuff :p
[Nexus S General] J-manX:
I was wondering the same thing lol. Should ask on their Facebook page or Twitter.
[Nexus S General] tekkitan:
Why do you say it doesn't have 720P recording? All the reviews I am looking at say 720P recording.

Even an early post on Engadget says "HD motion capturing capabilities"

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/04/nexus-s-shows-off-its-camera-video-recording-abilities/
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
The official specs on http://www.google.com/nexus/ shows 720x480 recording.
[Nexus S General] :
I could get over the lack of an SD card slot, and if it is true that the device is HSPA+ compatible but radio-capped at 7.2mbps, I'm perfectly fine with that too.

I can't get passed the lack of a trackball for scrolling (I had a Palm Pre and I *HATED* having to zoom in to select text or small items), and the lack of LED notifications, unless NoLED is up to par or they bake in some part of Gingerbread that is similar, is a big deal to me.

However, I imagine Cyanogen will put something in the next ROM that enables a NoLED-like functionality. I've have to see it before I purchase the Nexus S.

Also, I've heard rumors that the NFC chip is crippled to be one way only. For example, you may be only able to read RFID/NFC tags, rather than, for example, using the phone to transmit and make a payment like a credit card.
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
My understanding of the NFC issue is that it is locked by the software so your info cannot be stolen
[Nexus S General] ma2k5:
edit: nvm :).
[Nexus S General] shrivelfig:
I doubt that it's been intentionally crippled in hardware. Android 2.3 only supports the reading bit, but later versions will probably support the payment stuff.

http://www.mobilebehavior.com/2010/12/09/mobile-paths-android-nexus-s-and-near-field-communication/
[Nexus S General] ma2k5:
Does anyone know why the Nexus S google web page state that the phone can take HD video's, yet on the tech specs, it states 720x480? Has anyone managed to contact Google for verification if it is possible to take 720p videos, or is it stuck at 480p and they made a mistake stating it can take HD videos?

Apparently, it is 720p http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=746017e6abe70f09&hl=en according to this user. But, meh...? If it is 720p, it may just be enough for me to buy this phone.
[Nexus S General] :
If the antenna was HSPA+ they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. It's not a software limit.
[Nexus S General] Anderdroid:
It's a hardware limit. And that limit is 7.2mbps. Which most people won't get anyways even if they had a G2 or MyTouch 4g (which are both capped at 14.4mbps)
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
That's why it's strange to me when people say they dont want to get a Nexus S because it doesn't have HSPA+ :rolleyes:

7.2 mbps is LIGHTNING fast and those speeds probably wont come to 95% of us. By the time the Nexus S is getting 7.2mbps and its "too slow" you'll be upgrading anyways ;)
[Nexus S General] D_Rob:
I will get it on the 16th. I think this whole "just a overrated Galays S" hype is bull. I know it's missing SD card support, and it has a million similarities to the Galaxy S phones, but for crying out loud it's still a Nexus. Just a more lateral move than Nexus One was.

Simply put it's better hardware imho. It isn't everything we may want it to be but at the most simple level it's still a marked improvement for N1 owners and Android.

Better screen, bigger screen, better battery, better camera (yes, if any of you have actually used a Vibrant you would know it ****s on HTC camera's, and yes, I own a G2) Better reception, faster response time, louder external audio and the vibrant had the best external audio quality I've heard. This phone isn't perfect, but I bet the end user experience will be phenominal. You know, like how we can want all these things, but it's the details that matter. How responsive is the screen, does it look visually pleasing, how if fits in your hand etc.
[Nexus S General] DKYang:
Until Visa, Mastercard, and other popular payment companies jump on board with the NFC stuff. I don't see it being 2-way anytime soon. What's the point of it transmitting data when there is no use for it now. I doubt they didn't allow it in the hardware either, like others say, just locked it via software.
[Nexus S General] J-manX:
"Google will release software upgrades to Android 2.3 and other extensions to its SDK to enable the additional functions, says NXP. The only reason that Gingerbread is limited to just tag reading for now is because Google wanted to introduce NFC quickly."

Link
[Nexus S General] stone_phalanges:
I was amped up about the Nexus S to the point that I was going to pay the full price for it even though I just got the Captivate but the 16 gigs is a 100% deal breaker for me. I need a phone that can double as a PMP and handle my whole music library so I only need to carry around one device. Actually the Captivate is still the only phone on the market that fulfills this purpose because my music library is 30 gigs by itself. (the Vibrant could do it too I guess)

I just can't give up that free pocket space.:cool:
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
*edited removed*
[Nexus S General] vvaffles:
i don't know man, i have a captivate and the nexus s just seems to add like 2 more features that are hardware related..

edit: and about the curve screen, i guess i will have to feel it to really decide on it but on the pictures it looks kinda stupid
[Nexus S General] Superfrag:
First picture is the G2, second is the Vibrant. I only clicked two before having to run off to class again, (last week of class), so if you'll have any requests on further details or regarding pictures, lemme know.

First, I know the Vibrant has excellent Contrast ratio, and true blacks, but its whites suck hard, and have a bluish tint. Not to mention, the text isn't as crisp as the SLCD on the G2. Hopefully the two pictures can illustrate what I mean.

As you can see, the whites are truer and warmer. While you can see some pixelation in both, with my eyes I can see more (but minor) pixelation in the Vibrant, especially when reading the sub-title.

Vibrant's whites have a bluish tint, and the text is more pixelated than the G2. That surprised me when I got the G2, and everytime I switch back to my Vibrant for a day, it always ticks me off, the bluish whites and lower sharpness.
[Nexus S General] gotgadget:
Im def getting it.... But are we sure no 720p recording
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
Edit: On engadgets full review they say there isn't a HD recording option. I don't care myself though not a big deal ;)
[Nexus S General] slowz3r:
157 Bestbuy mobile stores will be getting the Nexus S, only 157
[Nexus S General] ap3604:
Do you have the source of this information?