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[Epic 4G General] dieselg5:
Ooooo

What about HTC then? Do they have fairies that bring them Android updates in a timely manner?
[Epic 4G General] TWO515TY:
Would have to agree on this one...How is it that Motorola and HTC have 2.2 on most of their flagship devices, but then Samsung is JUST NOW getting 2.2 on the plain SGS and we still don't have it on our Galaxy S devices? Hell even the HD2 has fully functioning Froyo made by our own at XDA, but we can't get an official Froyo from Samsung. Smh.
[Epic 4G General] bobdude5:
Its their flagship device.

Its not about the when, its the IF. I'd be happy with a "We're working on it but dont expect a release anytime soon"

They straight out said we'll think about it. Thats just bad customer service.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
Do you mean the tweets saying gingerbeard will come to 'the galaxyS'? While it makes absolute sense that the whole line will get it, eventually, I am trying to stear clear of speculation, and taking these official statements via social networking for what I would LIKE to hear... regardless, I was not poopooing the idea, but pointing out that from my experience in custom integration/home theater industry, consumer electronics companies are notorious for misinformation, likely a lot to do with the later mentioned nature of software development... I really didn't think my post was negative, and didn't warrant an attempt to stump me with a link I've seen in like 3 other posts. I've been lurking this forum since launch... I've only recently posted, and tried to be positive, as this 'community' needs it... obviously...
[Epic 4G General] noobnl:
gingerbread is going to happen.. stupid people are stupid
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
noobnl is win.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
Any idea on the likelihood of skipping froyo, or are you just saying eventually after froyo? Don't usually look for speculation, but you tend to be in the know...
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
If I had to guess, he was referring to the fact that we will have gingerbread regardless of what Samsung does. We are not skipping Froyo. Likelihood for that is maybe a tenth of a percent.
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
Skipping froyo is rather doubtable.
[Epic 4G General] globalninja:
Considering that they are already late in the testing phase for froyo it is unlikely that they will skip it. BUT I imagine that gingerbread will be a little bit quicker then froyo because Samsung has the Nexus S for guidance.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
From what I read it was only HTC and Motorola committing to bringing Gignerbread...I haven't heard them mention which phones would be upgraded to it though...can you link me to a source?

Also for the record..we will be getting Froyo 2.2.1 not 2.2, the EVO has yet to get 2.2.1...Motorola I heard 2.2.1 is in testing...
[Epic 4G General] hayabusa1300cc:
LG is now also committed to upgrading their phones running froyo currently to gingerbread
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Yes I saw that, and they mentioned which phones as well...but I have not heard HTC or Motorola say if their phones will get gingerbread upgrades and which phones. Not saying that they won't...just saying they haven't exactly made it clear..to my knowledge.
[Epic 4G General] bobdude5:
well that was a shallow comment
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
You obviously didn't own a hero.
[Epic 4G General] dieselg5:
Nope, but I did owned a G1 until September 2010. I wasn't mad at HTC or Google for not updating it, they both had bigger and better things do which I'm glad they did. The Hero still got 2.1 which is good for an old phone, although they did manage to upgrade the myTouch 3G to 2.2. In any case, they've updated most of their phones while Samsung has yet to release a phone with froyo on it (Tab doesn't count) and only updated some of their Galaxy S line worldwide. If think it's the carrier's fault in the US, then again, what about HTC and Motorola?
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
The reality of Android development is that it almost entirely hinges on official code releases from vendors. The idea that, because Android is 'open', any 10 year old can magically install it on anything with a CPU by simply downloading and compiling it is a popular belief among newbies who are still freshly sold on the utopian landscape of open code. But it isn't actually true.

Samsung hardware is proprietary, therefore their drivers are closed, therefore we don't see builds of Android unless we have official or leaked updates from Samsung. At present, I can't think of any examples of 100% successful reverse engineering endeavors in the Android hacking community. I think ONE HTC WinMo phone (the epitome of the reverse engineering example) was brought over to Android with all hardware intact, but performance is subpar, and it relies heavily on removable storage to even boot up.

It's still a fun area to tinker in, it's just perhaps healthier to think of Android as being kinda like Linux 15 years ago: it works where it works, it doesn't where it doesn't, no amount of kicking or swearing or threatening to abandon ship will change that, and your average committed user, when faced with a complaint, will likely just tell you to learn to code and fix it yourself.

*cough*
[Epic 4G General] kenvan19:
Actually both HTC and moto have committed to upgrading. Read back in the thread.
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
GUFFAW!

I was clear that I was referring to "some" of the people here.

Why you, all on your own, self-identified with the group I was criticizing is not something I can control.

If the shoe fits...
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
FWIW, as the scolder-in-chief in this thread, I agree 100% with both of you.

This not what I was criticizing.

Rather, I was criticizing all the *****ing and moaning about the vague statements about Gingerbread, and please, let's not play games here: There is a cacophony of whining and complaining about not giving target dates, later when approximate release dates are missed, all sorts of more childish whining.

One need only look to this very forum at the myriad of threads, and mind-bending number of posts complaining about Froyo not showing in November "as promised".

And I, and at least one other person here have pointed out, engineering schedules are not an exact science. Chit happens. It is a juvenile inability to understand, accept, and work with this fact by far too many in (I'd say a majority of) the public that makes it nearly always a bad decision to share anything specific about schedules and plans.

As someone with 25 years experience in the tech industry having had to deal with exactly this issue over and over (started as an EE back in '84, been in various management positions over the years, current the COO of a small startup), I've seen all this intimately. I assure you, most businesses would like to share more about plans with the public, however the behavior of the public makes that far too risky.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
No TV Out and no Froyo make Homer go crazy.
[Epic 4G General] bobdude5:
For the most part, we're not *****ing abut the when, we're *****ing about the if. Htc, Motorola, and LG have all said they will be upgrading some of their phones to gingerbread sometime in the near future, while samsung says we will think about upgrading our flagship device with the most capable hardware out of all the android phones to gingerbread.
[Epic 4G General] Khemul:
I think people are reading too much into that response. It was obviously a response written by a corporate lawyer. Those types HATE simple answers (hell, they seem to hate answers in general). Pretty sure they get payed by the word. They also LOVE the concept of 'wiggle-room'.

They effectively say that they are not sure if outside variables will make it impossible and need to consider those before making a decision on committing to the update or not. Pretty much what you'd expect to hear really. Nothing really shocking.
[Epic 4G General] cusp:
Hope is just disappointment delayed.
[Epic 4G General] megabillzilla:
I think it's likely that Samsung's refusal to comment on the matter stems from two things: 1) it currently suits both Samsung and Google to have the Nexus-S known as "the Gingerbread phone" to help solidify it in your mind as the phone that gets updates the fastest. That's its entire marketing angle. Without that, it's just a vibrant with a fancier screen. 2) they are clearly having trouble getting Froyo readyr, and don't want to make promises (and therefore field questions) about Gingerbread on the SGS family until that's off their plate. They aren't a small company, but their dev team does have limited resources and so many hours in the day. It's a matter of priorities and not promising another upgrade when the first one isn't out the door yet.

I do not expect Samsung to leave us hanging entirely with this phone- the sales have been a big win for them and I think they're wise enough to try and turn that into some brand loyalty, but also I don't expect them to suddenly turn into Moto overnight and start pumping out the updates with all haste. That has never been their style, and I was fully aware of that when I bought the phone. It said 2.1 right on the box.

Still, I would guess they'll have an announcement about it right around the time the buzz about the N-S starts to taper off. I wouldn't get super excited, though, I fully expect Vibrant to get Gingerbread first, and Epic to be last. We're just more complicated.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Yea, but they are in a position to have the first Gingerbread phone on every major carrier in the US, and it wouldn't even be a lot of work for them. They have 90% of the work done with the Nexus S build.
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
With all the phones out and the new-ness gone from the all of them, then this would be a really smart marketing decision for them to promote the phone still.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
Not really. The Nexus is running stock Gingerbread. The rest of the Galaxy S have Touchwiz and all of Samsung's proprietary apps.
[Epic 4G General] tylerdurdin:
You forgot the square root of soon = never

Thank you for making my christmas this is the funniest shiit I ever read ROTF
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
I read back the entire thread...there is nothing on it...

as I said before I heard HTC and Motorola are committed to Gingerbread..but they have not specified which phones will get Gignerbread...for all we know it could be phones that come out in 2011 will be Froyo and then upgraded to Gingerbread...IF you have an article that states specifically which phones will be upgraded, please do share.
[EVO 4G General] semperlux:
I've been trolling around XDA for a few months because I've been improving my Evo and I have. When I first bought my phone, the battery lasted about six hours max, worse if I was on the web a lot. Now, the battery now lasts 24 hours and about 16 with consistent usage because I have Set CPU managing things in a custom kernel. It's also running a custom ROM (warm twoPointtwo) and the entire phone generally performs far better than when I first bought it.

My question is, why couldn't HTC/Sprint sell something like this? They wouldn't have had nearly as many complaints about the battery if they'd done a better job managing battery usage. I'm a weekend warrior and I figured out how to improve my phone dramatically in a few months of trolling around XDA's threads. So, why couldn't HTC $hit-hot engineers make the best phone possible taking full advantage of the hardware?

Why all the limits?
[EVO 4G General] whats77inaname:
Because they're more concerned about the hardware than the software. They knew that the devs would tear it up once it was released, so they half-@ss tried. As long as they got out *something* that worked, they knew, given this is a Linux-based o/s, it would only be a matter of time before people would do their work for them.

Unfortunately, it makes sense.
[EVO 4G General] EndlessDissent:
I don't know about all that. You have to keep in mind that this phone wasn't made for devs. It was made to attract a mass audience. Devs make up a fraction of the intended user base, and the majority of people who would buy it have never even heard of rooting or custom roms. They have never heard of a kernel before. These are the people they want to please, and these people rely on HTC to get it right, or they will return the phone.

Manufacturers don't make their phones for people on xda.
[EVO 4G General] Rippley05:
Sorry but that just isn't true... sounds more like a biased opinion.

Fact is, there are a LOT more people who don't even know what a rooted phones means... there are even more people who don't have/use/want a rooted phone.

I won't act like I know all the reasons why a rooted phone with a custom rom/kernel works SO much better... but I do know they weren't banking on the masses hacking into the phones they make.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
In one word time. It takes time to refine software and usually they are struggling to just get it working at all.
[EVO 4G General] clamknuckle:
Honestly, the EVO performs pretty well on a stock build. Rooting gives you options yes, but it's not absolutely neccessary like it used to be on WinMo devices.

And yes, I know you didn't root WinMo, but you know what I mean. WinMo had to be unlocked and had a custom ROM flashed, or it was nearly unusuable.
[EVO 4G General] semperlux:
First off, I'm not a developer, I'm a web designer and would've had an iPhone if I were not locked into a Sprint family plan. I totally agree that an unrooted evo is an amazing device, but if I got better battery life, why couldn't HTC with a more improved HTC kernel? Did it just not occur to them? That and defaulting the phone to worst battery settings possible, really? I'm one of those consumers that a few months ago thought a kernel was a rank or food and rooting is something done to plants, let alone something you could adjust.

evo on tapatalk
[EVO 4G General] Drewmungus:
I just had to spend a few days unrooted due to a hardware problem. Stock 2.2 is MUCH better than stock 2.1 was when the evo first came out. What I would like to see is HTC and the other hardware manufactures hire some of the devs or pay out to incorporate some of their fix's.

I really loved when one of them(dev's I can't remember which one) beat HTC to releasing 2.2 with sense!
[EVO 4G General] jdh10475:
[highlight]Mod Edit: No need to be rude to others[/highlight]

Because the concern is to have a solid working device and when the evo launched it was and still is solid most people do not "root" their phone.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
As good as custom ROMs are, more often than not they have bugs. With official ROMs a lot of time is spent on testing and are made to have the most reliable experience as possible. They prefer that over a 15% battery/performance improvement or the delay it'd probably add.
[EVO 4G General] crazyloof:
All android phones' battery life suck. The hardware is out-tech'ing the battery.
[EVO 4G General] xviiivx:
The reason is simple. It's the same thing that goes on at my job. They have non-technical jackasses throwing out hard deadlines for projects they have no clue about how long should take or what's involved in accomplishing. So then the programmers throw together sloppy code to get things working as fast as possible to meet their deadlines so they can keep their jobs. Once things work, they have until the deadline to optimize as much as possible and what they don't get to ends up being "phase 2", or the first update. Of course if the deadline is way too short, the first update ends up being bug fixes instead of much needed optimizations. And then instead of working on those optimizations they have to start writing more sloppy code to meet the next short deadline for the next big project. This is the story of my life.
[EVO 4G General] TorxT3D:
the evo is sprint's best decision ever made in the history of sprint.

i think they took a gamble and won.

i wouldve never thought such a phone would exist on sprint, and i hope it woke their sleepy eyes into investing more time and money in greater hardware for the future, because WE WILL BUY IT.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Agreed 100%

They made a good move with the Hero then knocked it out of the park with the EVO.

Obviously there are several teams at work. I'd like to hope HTC will slim down Sense and make better use of the juice :) And it would be great if Sprint would make all their crap-ware optional or at least uninstallable.

I have an upgrade right now so I hate to admit I'm already eagerly anticipating Sprint's next flagship, I just hope it comes from HTC.
[EVO 4G General] Tregrad:
Bottom line to this is that the sprint Kernel does what the masses need not just a few devs on xda or ppcgeeks.

to satisfy people who actually know what this is all about their sales would plummet, and the iphone toy would prevail. its about competition and market share.....period. no one would get a bigger portion of the market share trying to satisfy a miniscule portion of it.

I personally appreciate the miniscule portion of the market because the people in here kick butt and create some awesome things for those of us who dont understand developing.

Thanks XDA!!
[EVO 4G General] whats77inaname:
I guess I should have explained more clearly. Yes, they released something that works, but they also knew that other people would make it *better*. If you think that there aren't devs from HTC on this site reverse-engineering kernels and what not and incorporating bits and pieces of them into HTC's stock builds for future releases, you need to think again.
[EVO 4G General] 4redstars:
if people could make these refinements when they first release things there would never be updates to software, never be updates to hardware and we'd all still be running around with 20lb laptops and zack morris cell phones.

Things need to be in the peoples' hands before refinements could be made. This was the first Wimax phone with the first attempt at HTC building software to make the wimax radio and huge screen as battery efficient as possible.

There is a reason we are on Android 2.2 (2.3 just released) and windows 7...if they released everything perfectly we would never need revisions or updates!
[EVO 4G General] halorin:
I think the person who mentioned higher ups with no technical knowledge making hard deadlines is right. The kernel in the latest OTA is supposedly pretty good, even by our standards. I've never tried it. I bet the higher ups allotted more time than they initially planned because of the public outcry.

Many industries now follow the release now, patch later mindset. HTC has been like that for as long as I've used their phones. If they were smart they'd be cherry picking the dev community. People deserve better roms and software. My girlfriend loves her phone now that I've rooted it and upgraded it for her.
[EVO 4G General] John Kotches:
Of course companies ship not fully optimized and improve later. The choice is between a shipping product with a revenue stream and no product/revenue at all.

It isn't ideal but this is the real world. I can't say I'm the biggest fan of this approach and I do have experience in the area.

Large (and small) projects require X amount of man hours to complete. If the time to deliver X is too long you can either push the timeline out or you can add more skilled staff. If the date is immobile and you can't add staff, the only other option is to deliver a subset of X and enhance down the road.

I personally feel HTC has done a good job with updates and I use cyanogen mod. I prefer the freedom, am well aware of the risks and can probably fix it if I break it.

Most users cannot

Swyped on my PC36100 using tapatalk!
[EVO 4G General] terrel_b:
Ding! Ding! Ding! Bingo!

Any manufacturing project has a deadline, typically set by some jackass that years ago developed something, typically enforced by some jackass bosses date that years upon years developed something. I've literally been told by my CIO that he built a cable company billing system in a weekend when he was in college, and we should do the same.

People in management positions are not in touch or positions to make proper deadline decisions for engineers. However, engineers are responsible to meet those decisions due to the "due date" given to the engineers. If the engineers had the say, they wouldn't release the product, but the chain of responsibility won't allow that.
[EVO 4G General] semperlux:
To reiterate, I'm not a developer or involved in mobile product production or distribution.

I'm not saying that HTC/Sprint should have made a phone to please devs. The battery life complaints didn't come from devs and technically adept market share--they knew how to fix it. Complaints came from users (like me) that turned their Evos on and wondered why it needed to recharge after six hours of regular ADVERTISED usage. I agree that the unrooted Evo is an amazing device--that's why I bought it! In fact--I refused to root and mod my phone for months because I tried everything that I read about improving battery life and drew the line when my best efforts only got me seven to eight hours and was frustrated by the screen caps of rooted Evos bragging about their 20+ hours of battery life.

All I'm saying is that I made a few simple CPU cycle adjustments using Set CPU and turned the screen off sooner and it seems like those adjustements could have been made sooner by HTC. That's all. Thanks for reading, I'm ever learning.

I remember reading a post on the Sprint forum where a customer bought three batteries and two chargers from Sprint because his phone was only getting FOUR hours of battery life. He felt the purchases justified because it was a smartphone and that's the price you pay to own an amazingly advanced product--ok...
[General Questions and Answers] ibawanzingee:
Hi guys, first-time poster here.

I was in the process of rooting my Moto Cliq [Dext] by following a tutorial with these steps:

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Step 1: Download official drivers from Motorola.

* For 32-bit version of Windows

* For 64-bit version of Windows

Step 2: Download and install Google RSD-Lite 4.5.7.

Step 3: Download SHX file here and unzip it.

Step 4: After you have installed the drivers and RSD Lite. Run RSD-Lite and select the SHX file you unzipped, select the phone and cliq start. Your phone should reboot into bootloader and apply the flash. It will then reboot again into your SetupWizard.

Root CLIQ

Step 5: Once in, you’ll need to run the following command from adb.

adb remount

adb shell chmod 4755 /system/bin/su

To fix Superuser, do this for now…

Download, extract and then run the .sh or the .bat.. Good to go

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However, when I wanted to take a 2nd glance at another tutorial, I noticed a part that said "do NOT mount the SD card".

Well, I mounted my SD card from the beginning. :( My time/date says "December 31, 1969, 7pm". (It's currently 4.26pm).

What do I do? Do I need to buy a new phone? Or is there a method of undoing this?

Thanks for any help!

~Scott
[General Questions and Answers] ibawanzingee:
Ok, guys. After much research, I finally got it. There ended up being an update from Motorola for users with the "1969" problem.

Mods, feel free to delete the thread; sorry for any inconvenience.
[G1 Android Development] msbo_msbo:
So basically i have the DangerSPL and i want to isntall cyanogen mod 5+ on my Rogers G1

i get stuck at the fastboot part, no matter how i do it, it does not let me "fastboot erase system -w" it says "erasing system....... FAILED <remote: now allow>"

i already have the mod on the SD card and everything to go with it, but i stall at this step. any suggestions?

i am using the tutorials from wiki.cyanogenmod for POST 911 rogers dream and cyanogen 5+

Any help is appreciated, thanks.
[G1 Android Development] Jincos:
I think you didn't install the SPL correctly, from what i've read from other people with this problem.

Try re-installing the SPL/RADIO.
[G1 Android Development] msbo_msbo:
the SPL was installed correctly, according to the version number

kept trying over and over eventually it let me erase system -w

thank you
[Android Apps and Games] Abracastabya:
Is there anyway to flash the overscroll settings or anything similar from cyanogen onto a sense ROM?

Open your mind, Quaid.