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[Desire HD General] makbil:
It's not that bad for me. I guess it depends on how large your fingers are.

I totally agree with this. I had to open the battery cover several times during the ROM upgrade and every time I thought I had broken it.

I agree. From all the phones I have used, it looks like the P990 and the P1 have the best quality speakers.

Every phone that has radio hardware depends on the earphone as an antenna. 3GS does not have radio hw but the stations can be listened to over the data connection, so it doesn't need an antenna.
[Desire HD General] MaybachMan:
The 3GS does have radio hardware, Apple just don't want you using it, and it's hard to hack because there's no drivers for it at all in iOS.
[Desire HD General] makbil:
You are right, there's been talk of that for a while. The end result is the same though :)
[Desire HD General] Stiffy_Scotland:
was messing around with both phones and came to the conclusion that i liked the DHD so now i have one :D
[Desire HD General] dashrink:
We have one major flaw in owning a DHD!

We dont have Steve ****Jobs to tell us how to hold or use our phones! Were lost without his wisdom!

Hahaha!
[Desire HD General] rchiil:
Well let me put it this way, I had 3G, 3GS and iphone4, I am giving my Iphone4 to my dad next week as birthday present... as my DHD arrives tomorrow, and yest i have tried it out.... I dont know but the iphone4 was a dissapointment for me and felt like i had just a better camera and slightly better screen.. but everything else is the same feels the same and looks the same.... great advance in tech... EPIC fail imho
[Desire HD General] dr.m0x:
I use android for the same reason I use linux. Freedom. I like to tinker. I like to tweak. I like to hack. For this reason my next android probably won't be by htc.

If you want a phone or computer which doesn't require any effort go apple.

If you want a buggy piece of crap go windows.

Sent from my performance enhanced Desire HD :)
[Desire HD General] makbil:
and if you want old technology with no updates guaranteed, go to Sony Ericsson. :)

(I'm sorry but I do not forgive SE for the P990 debacle.)
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
been using the HD2 with fully working gingerbread pure android for the past few days and of course i still play with my colleagues iphone 4 all the time

back to my DHD and it feels like instant luxury, all my iphone friends are amazed by it every time

seriously guys we nag about small niggles but the DHD is the best piece of hardware/software HTC ever made, i'm not talking about android vs iOS, i'm talking about the whole package
[Desire HD General] :
I absolutely love my new Desire HD. The hardware is amazing and Android is fantastic. Also even though I bought it from 3 in Denmark, it's completely unbranded (I think all phones in Denmark have to be sold unbranded) :) But I despise HTC Sense, want stock Gingerbread!!!

The only thing I have to complain about is the rooting and that kind of stuff and also in a sense, the dev community... The one thing that I miss about my iPhone was the easy unlocking/jailbreaking compared to rooting. One of the bad things about the iPhone is that they're hardware and software restricted, however, because of this restriction, their dev community is able to put out jailbreaks and unlocks faster no matter what update Apple introduces because nothing changes in terms of hardware. The Android dev community is fantastic, however, there are just too many damn phones! All with their own version of Android and different hardware. The devs make unlocks and roots according to the new current popular phone. This worries me because as soon as a new phone comes out, devs will turn their attention away from your phone!

Currently I am jumping around waiting for this new OTA update to either be fixed or a exploit found so I can root because I cannot stand HTC Sense and simply want stock Android 2.3. However talk I hear about this OTA not being exploitable and how they just won't bother to find a new way to root is starting to make me feel worried.
[Desire HD General] makbil:
Complain about dev community?

All I can say is that you probably haven't been involved with the iPhone that long. When the new MC ROMs came out, it took a long time to get untethered jailbreak and it's going to be even harder with any new hw that Apple designs.

Exactly and since Apple is putting more and more security on the hardware side, there will probably be a time when jailbreak may be virtually impossible.

As explained elsewhere, loosing root with the latest version does not seem to be intentional. The new method used actually speeds up the OS but breaks the method root uses.

Actually, I'm not totally against security mechanisms on a mobile device. It is just too easy to access a novice user's device and cause harm

Which is what makes Android devices so attractive. Apple devices are so restrictive I just can't be comfortable using them, however with an Android device I just tweak it the way I want and it becomes so much easier and productive for me to use.

Considering everything, I'd rather be stuck with an open source Android device than an idevice.

Don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion but the facts don't seem to support what you are saying. I own a 3GS, not too different than a iPhone 4 and after using it for a few months I gave up as I just can't get it to do the things I want even though it is jailbroken.

Where did you hear this? What I heard was that there was a workaround to get super user and it may soon hit the market. The problem is with the exclusive use of a database, so the new root just has to use a different method than what is available now. As long as it's sw related, there will be a root one way or another.
[Desire HD General] :
Haha looks like I just got owned xD

Ahh the DHD is a fantastic phone and having an open source OS like Android is amazing. My decision to go with Android instead of keeping my iPhone 3GS was made because I was sick of dealing with iTunes and Apple's BS.

My stupid rant is just a mix of a person coming from easy iOS jailbreaks and from being stuck on a (currently) unrootable device and hating HTC Sense and the notification bug.

<3 all good.
[Desire HD General] makbil:
I understand you :)

One thing I learned from iPhone is to never update on impulse - which is hard to do :)
[Desire HD General] PDub11:
My first post and my first Android phone i picked up last night.

Coming from nearly 3 years of iPhone ownership i found the phone a little awkward to get used to to start with, UI isnt anywhere near as intuitive as IOS but sometimes thats a positive as you get more options to play with.

Battery life today was about the same as my 3Gs, half a day before im reaching for the usb cable. I did spend a lot of the initial use of the phone with a lot of syncing and connecting to various feeds so i need to give it more use and tweaks before i can give a better judgment on that.

Hotmail integration has been a total nightmare, stock HTC mail app refuses to sync to Exchange activesync so had to find and install the stock 2.2 mail app which worked (they got to sort that out).

Phone itself although bigger than the iphone doesnt feel like it is, quality is much better than the Nexus S which i was going to get but prefered the hardware and feel of the HD. Not sure i like the proud and prone camera lens ring tho, seems like thats going to take some abuse in a few months of ownership.

Ive not used it enough to comment on much else, all of my favourite iphone apps are here so no issues there but some do need some work to get them to the iphone standard. Still yet to pare my phone with my car headunit so not sure how thats going to go or play music though it like i do with my iphone so that could me a massive point against the phone.

Very happy so far now i've set the phone up the way i want which i hope continues.
[Desire HD General] wakers:
I thought the review was pretty good although its just his opinion my opinion after coming from iPhone4 is there is little between the phones but the best thing for me is drag and drop I personally can't stand using itunes and I disagree with the reviewer in that I find the DHD better and nicer to hold than the iPhone4 the square shape for me was awkward and what's always overlooked is how much more the iPhone costs makes the DHD a bargain especially on a contract :-)
[Desire HD General] jeRrRKKKK:
iphone's advantages:

iphone has far more games than android, it is fun to just bum around looking thru apple's appstore for rubbish games just to occupy time

apple's itunes allows me to subscribe to rubbish videos to pass my time too, podcasts are d/led directly into the phone and can be synced str8 into my pc for backup. i can't find anything similar for android

my iphone4 had a terrible battery, lasting 8 hours at most with average usage. my DHD's battery is HALF of that on my iphone, lasting only 4 hours!

iphone4 is faster than DHD cause of the battery issues, i've to resort to underclocking and undervolting just to squeeze out another 1 hour of battery life

jailbreaking is so much more pleasurable than rooting, after jailbreaking my phone i unlock a complete new world of apps but upon rooting the only benefit i get is setcpu.

android's advantages:

gmail push is working far better than it did on my iphone4 where sometimes i only get notifications after an hour!

online connectivity is far better than that on the iphone4, friendsync syncs my twitter and fb accounts together and a post will reach both, love its simplistically!

camera seems to be better than that on the iphone

true multitasking is a real pleasure! now i can play a game peacefully and when a sms comes in, my ingame progress remains. how many times on my iphone i'm near to completing a stage when a sms comes in and i have to restart from scratch. its frustrating!

don't need to wait a few months after every major release to root my phone

more stable than ios, perhaps it might be because i jailbroken my phone and 3rd party jb apps off cydia arn't as well coded as those for android but my iphone wasn't the most stable phone i've had and it was also often prone to memory leaks, a reboot every now and then helped greatly but on my DHD i've never had to reboot or a reboot provides no benefits

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on a side note,

i think its a huge misconception that iphone4 has antenna problems, i've had 2 iphone4s and none of them have reception issues
[Desire HD General] eozen81:
Finally I sold my Desire HD and I understood that Android apps platform has got too much way to go compared to IOS, do not yell at me immediately of course this is my thought.

I got so bored of comparing apps and games in Android with my wife's Iphone and she wast the who always win :) Seriously, it's a truth that developers at this moment prefer IOS at first compared to Android and this causes Android users to wait so long time for IOS apps to convert to Android.

i.e. Guitar Hero for Android is like a child game, please check out the below videos for this game. another game which does not even exist in Android is one of my favourite games, Guitar Rock Tour, for apps there are so many local (Turkish) apps which are only in IOS as well.

As a result I decided to sell DHD and I am really relieved now to go for Iphone 4. :cool:

IOS :

[youtube]v6R8EyZHC_o[/youtube]

Android :

[youtube]2vBfuNPkqG8[/youtube]
[Desire HD General] makbil:
One of the things that bothers me a lot is the fact that you have to depend on a PC (or a Mac) to be able to delete things like pictures or music files on your iPhone. It's a pain to add a single mp3 to the iPhone, just try it without a PC around.

At the end of the day I have 40-45% battery left on my DHD. In the beginning it was really bad but got better in time, especially with the new radio I flashed. At this point, my DHD definitely outlasts my 3GS

This is not a fair comparison. Under normal use the DHD is faster (definitely not slower) than the iPhone 3GS - and I'm told there is no significant speed difference between the 3GS and 4.

Again, I have to disagree. There are some very useful applications that need root to run, eg. Titanium Backup.

I'm not a games person, I only have Angry Birds and Tricorder on my DHD, so I can understand others being more enthusiastic about the iPhone when the topic is games, iPhones have always had the proper video drivers installed. This has started to change though, the DHD is on par with iPhone where video is concerned. I predict that in a year, the Android market will most likely match iTunes for content and quality.

I can understand that eventually it comes down to a personal choice: I just like the flexibility Android offers me. Even with jailbreaking the iPhone is just not designed to give me that.
[Desire HD General] MaybachMan:
Here's what I'm actually doing now. This update on the DHD that screwed up MicroSD cards and mucked up a bunch of other things started to scare me off a bit, then I saw the Motorola Atrix at CES and thought I should wait for a 2011 Android phone if I'm gonna go down that route.

So I've decided to replace my 3GS with an iPhone 4, but, I'm also replacing my cheap old BlackBerry with a G1 so I can still use Android and get used to the platform, and muck about with ROMs.

After I've used both phones for a bit, and when the Atrix comes out, I'll make my decision on what to do afterwards.

Another bonus for me with the iPhone is that, in the UK, on PAYG, the networks all give me a year's free internet (except O2, but they're crap anyway). If I then sell the iP4 in under a year, I'll stick the SIM into whatever I get next and enjoy my free internets :D

So, yeah, I think I should PM MacaronyMax about a new signature pic :p
[Desire HD General] jeRrRKKKK:
your comparison won't be fair dude...

you are comparing the latest and the greatest iphone against probably the lousiest android phone available in the market currently
[Desire HD General] junta_mpb:
I think the reason why developers prefer IOS is because they can charge for apps that would otherwise be free on Android. I doubt its because of platform limitations.

Cheers from my DHD.
[Desire HD General] xd.bates:
Hi all!

Everyone know those ...For Dummies books? I can't help feeling that the iPhone 4 is a smartphone for dummies...not true I know, but the second you pick it up after using an Android device for a while and you see how basic and limited it really is.

No widgets? Come on. Battery life? Would the iPhones battery be so great if it displayed live wallpapers and something more than icons? I seriously doubt it.

As for games...well have you heard rumors of the Sony PSP phone? Yeah...iPhone not looking so good for gaming then.

The only things the iPhone 4 really has going for it are the image and the Apple name. Even then, it's down to an individuals tastes. I for example think the iPhone looks great, but in a teenager kind of way, while the Desire HD is a much more sophisticated looking design. Like it was made for adults that don't want to scream, 'look at my phone! I must be aw3some3!'.

On the other hand...the iPhone generates hardly any interest these days. Everyone has seen it...it's old news. I walk at work with my D HD in hand and people ask questions.
[Desire HD General] Nitin985:
The psp phone has the same processor as the DHD plus the DHD has more RAM, and since its Android we will be able to port the playstation app
[Desire HD General] PG101:
I have both and love both :)
[Desire HD General] sengork:
For me:

iPhone - boring

Android - exciting

The end.
[Desire HD General] kebong:
came from an iphone 3gs. android (coupled with a desire hd) is just so much fun. rooted and everything.
[Desire HD General] ziyaziya1:
Dhd is better then iphone 4. First of all iphone is expensief. Dhd is much faster you can.overclock it to 1.5 ghz iphone got 1. Iphone ram.is 512 dhd is 768. Camera.is much better . If you got A 3gs why iphone 4? Only difference is the pixel camera and cpu? Dhd is en completely other phone. Btw sorry for my bad english.
[Desire HD General] PDub11:
Worst thing so far for me jumping ship from an iphone is the keyboard. No need for arrows, full stop next to space bar, hide keyboard and voice contorl. Way too much which looks like Gingerbread has acknowledged.
[Desire HD General] pushnoi:
Yeah, and the keyboard just isn't as accurate as the iPhone's... I'd recommend trying Smart Keyboard Pro though - that's wayyy better than the one that comes with Sense.

Swype is somewhat ok, I don't like it that much, others say it's the best keyboard they ever used.
[Desire HD General] MaybachMan:
I won't make a judgement based on my G1, I'll make it based on how nice the OS is. If I stick CM6 on it, I'll have Froyo, so it'll be fair.

Unfortunately, I don't have the financial resources to purchase two high-end smartphones.

However, the guy who won my 3GS was a time waster, so I'm keeping it for now until I decide which OS I prefer.
[Desire HD General] fujislider:
I switched from an iPhone 3G to a DHD. Can't compare multi-tasking so won't.

The biggest factor for me was the interface. iPhone iOS 4 and DHD Android 2.2 (with or without SenseUI) are just two totally different beasts.

-Stock Buttons.

iPhone: Screen real-estate reduced by requiring extra onscreen buttons that are often inconsistent. Only_One_Physical_Button...because...????

DHD: 4 logical buttons that act the same wherever you are, always off-screen in same place.

-Keyboard.

iPhone: Switching screens to insert punctuation always seemed retarded to me, and can't change without jailbreak.

DHD: Unlimited keyboards without root. First with HTC keyboard, and now Gingerbread (this rocks).

-Navigation.

iPhone: Fat-fingers aplenty. Contacts. Wanted to search, pressed add (+) instead. Wanted to hit "A", pressed search instead. etc. etc. This is everywhere in iOS - navigation/input collision due to too many selection buttons in the same area.

DHD: On-screen buttons logically laid/spaced out. Menu, Back, etc. buttons always off-screen.

-Personalization

iPhone: Icon clutter. Boring desktop that all looks and acts the same.

DHD: Customize anyway I want, widgets for anything. Notifications all in one place, neither bothering me or forcing me to hunt for things.

Using the iPhone as a tool was irritating. I just felt forced into doing things a certain way which seemed counter-intuitive to me. The more I used it, the more I didn't want to use it.

DHD and Android 2.2 make me feel like I'm getting things done easier, faster - and the way I want to get them done.

Also wanted a good camera and a big screen, but still small enough to fit in my pocket. I think the DHD fits this criteria very very well.

About the only thing I don't like about DHD are the volume and power buttons are kind of hard to press. iPhone's buttons are perfect (easy to locate & press, but not by mistake).

To me, my phone is a communication tool and a place to work with information when not at my computer. So having the latest, best, whatever apps was not a big factor. Don't get me wrong, iOS is an awesome application platform, and the music, apps and experience is very tightly integrated. But that's how iPhone feels to me - tight (constricting).
[Desire HD General] makbil:
Mac mice also have one button. The rumor is that they are done that way so the Apple users don't get confused when presented with a choice of two or more buttons :)
[Desire HD General] sharulazlan:
i'm one of them.. change from iphone to DHD... so far no regret.. more freedom :)..

getting bored with iOS
[Desire HD General] MatzexD:
I'm very happy about the DHD and I never buy an iPhone again :D
[Desire HD General] Wuzz3r:
Don't get me wrong, I love my DHD to bits, but I do have a small annoyance that I didn't just move to an iPhone 4 from my 3G; or even to a HD7, all my friends who have an iTouch/iPhone come in every day and say, look at this game/app/whatever. It just annoys me how much of a higher standard the development is generally on iPhone or WP7 and it annoys me that with our ridiculously quick phone, there are no apps that really utilise all that memory (apart from HTC Sense, which just uses it all..)
[Desire HD General] AndroHero:
I could list a **** load of games and apps on par with iphone and wp7.....
[Desire HD General] rosswaa:
Go on then...........

Although I think he means things like minigore which isn't really on our dhds but opinions have slot better development teams producing high quality games while we get stuck with ports and so on, on the other hand the games and apps we do have are actually really good minus a lot if really bad ones
[Desire HD General] AndroHero:
Brothers in arms, modern combat 2, dungeon defenders, NFS Shift, fruit ninja THD, every single game and app at tegra zone lol
[Desire HD General] mathewr:
I jumped from a Iphone 3GS to a Desire, to a Desire HD. And I can say the difference is night and day, but there is a learning curve that some Iphone users may not want to go through.

When I first started using the Desire, it wasn't that great (coming from a Iphone) only because of the difference in U.I. After a week or so, there was no way I would have gone back
[Desire HD General] vinokirk:
Is it just me who finds the white iphone4 disgusting?
[Desire HD General] LawAce:
I had an Android phone (Hero) before my first iPhone (iPhone 4), the jump from the Hero to the 4 was really amazing for me. No lag, awesome camera, BIGGER screen with nice resolution, huge list of nice quality apps.

I decided to pick myself up a DHD alongside my iPhone 4 to compare and keep one, however for me the apps are really letting Android down. The functionality is there, it's just the way many of them are presented are just messy and not visually pleasing.

I guess another thing pulling me towards keeping the iPhone is that I am a Mac user (I'm a Photographer), so it's fairly nice having the iPhone work pretty seamlessly with iTunes and iPhoto.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
if you want user-friendly and smooth experience, definitely iphone 4

if you are an excellent sharp screen with vivid colour, definitely iphone 4 with its retina display. (Thou some poeple might ask otherwise)

for power user, people that like to tweak their phone down to nuts and bolts, definitely android.

if you want bigger screen and better hardware, definitely Desire HD!

thats my personal opinion as I have both iphone 4 and desire hd.
[Desire HD General] dhiral.v:
Iphone is definatley more for the average Joe.

Where as android is more for the tech enthusiast.

Iphone is good and very user friendly, but doesn't offer much in the way of customisation.
[Desire HD General] 007K:
I've made the jump from Iphone 4 to the Desire HD. There is a landslide of things you can do/tweak with the DHD and iphone. The hardware, i found the camera far better. And yes, HTC is a masculine phone. :p
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
yes, I agree. iphone is like a child's toy, a expensive one, while htc is more business and professional like.

plus iphone is just too popular, if u wanna stand out from the crowd, use DHD with custom rom.
[Desire HD General] equlizer:
Switched over myself and got an otterbox defender for it. Doubt ill go back to iphone unless they radically change their ways and let us do what we want, and bigger screen.
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
to be honest, for general use, iphone is pretty good, consider now it has VLC player, for playing any type of video easily. (Hopefully android will get it soon too) If apple approve the install of flash officially as well, there is really isn't much to complain.
[Desire HD General] AndroHero:
core is working on a version of coreplayer for android :D
[Desire HD General] franklin20uk:
so its like a VLC player? I am curious.
[Desire HD General] AndroHero:
Coreplayer was like VLC but for windows mobile :)