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[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] mardurhack:
N900 = 100% Linux kernel + Maemo (qt+C/C++ - native code)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo

iPhone = same as above (not Linux but BSD variant - btw native code too)

Android devices = X% Linux kernel + Dalvik Virtual Machine (Java and Android SDK/NDK - the code has to be interpreted by DVM, which is a virtual machine, and uses A LOT of resources compared to any native codes, games are often developerd with NDK but the whole UI runs on a DVM and it drains resources as well as any "side-by-side" applications. In this case we have UI + Angry Birds = CPU/RAM fu**d up...Not mentioning the 30fps bug!)

In my opinion Android is a REALLY GOOD OS for developers who can easily develop using an "easy-to-learn" Object Oriented paradigm (with Java-like syntax) but it lacks of proper performance. And instead of trying to optimize the whole system Google launched the first 1Ghz phone. But they didn't say that increasing clock on a phone to run Android smoother is the same as putting a larger fuel container in your car to drive longer instead of trying to use less fuel! And by the way I buy a Ferrari because I can drive at 320Km/h and I don't care if I spend 1€/1Km...But with Android is like you got a Porsche 911 (yeah good car but it is NOT a Ferrari!) and YOU SPEND 1€/1Km AS WELL even if you can drive at 270Km/h at max! Now: Ferrari is a N900 while any Android devices is a Porsche. It runs...but it's not a Ferrari. :D

And what about ram? Well: on Eclair I ALWAYS have the stock browser in background! When I tap on it it will open up on the last page without reloading anything. With Froyo this happens once in ten! What about gingerbread? 1 in 100? :P You know what I think (my REALLY personal opinion!)? Why don't we wait till the release of an official Froyo and, in the meanwhile, we focus on how to bloody improve our well-fitted Eclair with, where possible, some gingerbread's features? Just my 2 cents! :P
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Dexter_nlb:
This is sad for milestone, because itouch havent really got any multitask functionality that really works, still to come.. so if you feel that is good, it makes milestone look reeallly bad here :(
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] mardurhack:
Neither has Android... At least this is what I got watching developer.android.com videos...I mean: Android freezes apps in background and you can only run services while using another app (like Music's service). This is not a "real" multitasking at all. IMHO the only phone who really got multitasking is N900...Because it's based on a OS that natively support it. Am I wrong?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Wing_Zero85:
I think this is enought. I really doubt that google in the same brench of android (2.X) double the memory requirements up to 512.

That was a thing rumored out when was supposed to launch android 3.0(I've read a lot of speculation on it: 1 GB ram, and so on...) but I think that android 2.3 is capable to run very well on 256mb devices, and I think, better than froyo.

P.S.:

Sorry for my bad english. :(
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Wing_Zero85:
Hoping that motorola will make free the bootloader, so we can try meego on ours milestone :)
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] TheSSJ:
LMAO dude, when this happens I will make a youtube video eating my hat!!!
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Dexter_nlb:
partly wrong.

Android might has some work to do, but linux is fully multithreaded os... i think its all about how the use the linux kernel assoiciated here..

and i think that your "backgrounded" apps pause is intentional for some apps, when you go back to the apps its paused if it needs user intervention, but like music and browser, flash apps seems to continue although backgrounded.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] bijixda:
hahahaha......... you should make the video first, then this all happened :D
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] max_3000:
Honestly I think it doesn't really matter since we'll never know unless someone blows that bootloader into oblivion.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Cpt-Future:
Hi Guys,

Im usually stranging around in the HTC Toch HD (WM6.5) section but are looking for a new phone for several months now. Of course I dont want an outdated phone and so Im investigating which phone will get Gingerbread soon. The Milestone seems quite interesting because its getting official FroYo in the next couple of weeks.

Some guys stated that Gingerbread will have high processor requirements so the Milestone will never be able to get a Gingerbread update. I want to inform you that this is a FALSE rumor as u can read for yourself following this link:

http://androidandme.com/2010/12/news/android-2-3-has-no-minimum-processor-requirement/

In fact some Android engineers stated that a Gingerbread update for a FroYo running devices will be the easiest update ever in the Android history. So there is definetly no technical limitation porting Gingerbread to the Milestone while it is already running FroYo in the next few weeks (or even days).

Maybe there will be an official Gingerbread update in Q2/2011 because the Droid/Milestone has well been sold and there is a great user base out there...

Additionally the Droid/Milestone is one of the few devices that will take advantage of the new Google Maps 5 update:

http://androidandme.com/2010/12/applications/google-maps-mobile-5-will-bring-3d-buildings-and-offline-support-in-a-matter-of-days/

Overall the Milestone seems quite attractive as I mentioned above. I hope that I could help to clear some things up here...

Thanks,

Future
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] foreman31:
Something else you should be aware of concerning the Milestone, it is a very rugged and well built phone.

I have dropped it numerous times onto rough concrete knocking off the back cover and ejecting the battery.

This has resulted in deep chips on all four corners but the Milestone hasn`t missed a beat.

Am being more careful know as I don`t want to push my luck too far
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] kabaldan:
Cpt-Future: Thanks for the link.

I was already sick of all the references to the Mrtazin's fantasies, taken seriously and cited again and again as facts, in spite of the clear Morrill's denial:

http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/17527838378

https://twitter.com/morrildl/status/17528271793

http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/17528469167

That's all that can be said to the "official" gingerbread hardware requirements topic, I suppose...
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Babis_ECE:
Hi everyone!

I just wanted to ask you, especially the developers, if you are going to deal with Android 2.3 at some time, for our Milestone..!

Already CM is flawless, Cronos is also good (I am mentioning only the ones I've tried myself, but I believe the others are too) and we are waiting the official Release 2.2 from Motorola.

So, is there a possibility to get any 2.3 Gingerbread taste to our Milestones??

:)
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] harry190:
I found an interesting information:

http://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/12286032892403713

http://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/12380827807653888
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Svid:
i hope some one will port this version to milestone to fit our Milestone
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] max_3000:
Exactly what I was getting at. Since Gingerbread is far more optimized it should run better than froyo on our MSs.

But as I've said before it doesn't matter unless we get the bootloader unlocked and as far as I know it's far more than a software issue (it's hardwired into the SoC)
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Cpt-Future:
Hi Guys,

after some irritations LG just announced that LGs Optimus One Line currently running FroYo WILL DEFINETELY GET a Gingerbread update. That LG handsets are cheap €200 low end devices from a technically point of view. This is the proof that the Milestone would have no problem running Gingerbread and that there is no big problem for the LG/Motorola engineers porting Gingerbread to a FroYo device.

http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-says-optimus-one-line-will-get-gingerbread-now-quit-asking

Call me a rebel but I think that its a duty of Motorola to release a Milestone Edition of Gingerbread because of the following reasons:

+ The Milestone is only a year available at the Gingerbread release

+ Google devs stated that Gingerbread will optimize every FroYo device!

+ Motorola should not let the satisfied customers to LG that would be stupid

+ The Milestone as a Motorola product is & should feel superior compared to LGs

+ Google devs stated that the Gingerbread update is easy (cheap!) to realize

+ The customers will never forget bad service/update politics

+ Motorola should ramp its brand up to a "Future Company"

Thats all for now!

Future
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] hanslast:
I just found out @ Engadget today this remarkable and very very good news, now lets hope its true

..... " Google's own Android lead developer is pretty definitive about the software, saying that "Gingerbread hardware needs are similar to Froyo." So if your handset can run version F, it should have no trouble handling version G... no trouble other than its own maker. "

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/09/s...ogle-says-har/
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] etoy:
is there a way to have this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2ivG0IvckM

not a priority but it looks awesome!
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] daric:
http://android.tgbus.com/news/news/201012/335302.shtml

From china page news, Andriod 2.3 can be upgrade to Milestone.

HTC ：HTC EVO/Desire HD/Desire Z

Motorola ：Droid/Droid 2/Droid X/Milestone/

Samsung ：Galaxy S(数月内)

Google ：Nexus One(几周内)

LG：Ally
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] dunkam69:
Android engineer, Brian Swetland: “Any device that runs well with Froyo should run even better with Gingerbread. The base hardware requirements have not changed. Of course OEM updates do depend on individual OEM efforts, and I can’t speak for the OEMs, but there’s no technical reason devices able to run Froyo shouldn’t be upgradeable. I think the Froyo->Gingerbread migration should be less painful for device developers than Cupcake->Donut or Eclair->Froyo.”

The question that we must ask not if Milestone have the power to run Gingerbread that now we know that it can, the question is if Motorla will take the effort to develop it or not.

On one hand I see it bad because we still don´t have Froyo and Gingerbread is in the street :(

On the other hand, the engineer talking about easy to port from Froyo to Gingerbread, the news about Millestone will be one of the few to run Google Maps 5 100% (so that means that the Milestone is still important device), the chinese news web talking about the devices that will get Gingerbread ... all those little things gives me some hope
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] max_3000:
I don't think we'll see official 2.3 from Moto simply because of business decision.

I bet their mentality is "want gingerbread? get a milestone 2". They will not waste time on an aging device even though it's fully capable. They'd rather have people buying new hardware.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] vagelisda:
Dudes,get serious,we had to do a LOT of complaining,facebook groups,protest letters etc etc just to take froyo (some of us,not even every country) wich we still dont oficially have!!!

Its like an x10 owner hoping to get froyo when some still beg for eclair;

Hopeless

Sent from my Milestone
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Cpt-Future:
Excuse me, but thats not really or not a smart business decision. Forcing customers buying new hardware does not automatically mean that the customers buy a Motorola Milestone 2. It can also mean that the people buy a handset from a competitor (for example to get Gingerbread). Not to be able to satisfy your own customers mean that you loose them while others win them. If Motorola realy dont support the Milestone any longer while LG does support its (cheaper) Optimus Line customers LG will win by that situation. By doing this Motorola indirect work for LG to get them more customers. Thats simply stupid and definetly no business mentality.

Every unsatisfied Milestone customer is a present for competitors. And its very cheap and easy not to loose this customers to a competitor: Just update the Milestone to FroYo and then to Gingerbread very fast. The customers will count this as a bonus to Motorola products and will buy new ones. Otherwise companies like LG are just waiting for every unsatisfied Motorola customer. I can hear them shouting already: "Want Gingerbread and future updates? Come to LG!"...

Thats business!

Future
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] max_3000:
In a perfect world, yes that would be business. But for every person who thinks like this, there are a thousand idiots who just buy the newer iteration.

Porting 2.2/3 for the Milestone takes manpower which is costly. Moto probably wants that money to go to their newer products. (believe it or not about 70% of milestone users don't know what root/custom roms even MEAN, we are quite a small userbase)

I mean, I hope I'm wrong but so far this seems to be what's ahead.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] cucisan:
agree with max_3000 :( moto just doesnt care as long as ppl buy their phones... and many non technical ppl will do.

but i read somewhere 2.3 can be used with froyo kernel... as long as there is no real kernel dependency for some 2.3 features i wont care... but this will be my last motorola phone as long as they lock bootloaders... and so will everyone who asks me what android phone he should buy.. :)
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Cpt-Future:
I understand your interpretation of Motorolas "business sight". And I see a big possibility that Motorola "thinks" indeed as you mentioned. But I wanna make clear that such a strategy is no expanding strategy and its a high risk that Motorola could loose its customers in a long term sight.

Take me for example. And dont have a Milestone yet. Im an owner of a WM6.5 smartphone and looking around for a new handset for a while now. I want to invest around €300. There are several alternatives for that Money. And I swear you that I will not invest in a handset that will not be supported any longer. So Motorolas strategy is wrong because I will buy a competitor product. For example an LG or Sony Ericsson or maybe Acer. We will see...

If Motorola only wanna have stupid "housewive" customer there will not be much multiplication advertising by such persons. A girl where showing me her Android 1.5 phone several weeks ago and I cant stop laughing at that device. The girl feeling where not very got after that visit I Think. No need to say she has a new handset now with 2.2 :-). So maybe we "technical XDA Guys" are a minority but its us telling the people what they should buy or not. We have and ARE the knowledge. And long term the companies will make the most profit that take care of our critics and satisfy there customers... :-)

So long,

Future
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] vladstercr:
good point Cpt-Future :)
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Sonsee:
As a simple and usual user, who likes upgrading his milestone to custom roms (did 2 times), because there is no official upgrade, I think I did a mistake when I bought my milestone and my next phone will be definitely not a motorola one, although I love my milestone.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] A-HWH:
I don't know if the following quote means anything but it is up to your own opinion.

Despite where it is posted though, Motorola duplicate the replies to all the threads asking Gingerbread. I really do hope this at least gives us some hope.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] mardurhack:
What I think is really important when releasing an upgrade is that ANY customers should be able to get it despite of which model they bought. Is like when you're going to have lunch! If you must wait too much to eat you'll loose your appetite! Now we're all excited about 2.3 features but soon complain only will remain. Complain about how producers threat us, complain about why Google doesn't FORCE them to release upgrades as soon as official ones go out, complain seeing other people who're able to upgrade just because they spent A LOT for newer cell phones! I bought my Milestone at 220$...And I'm still with Eclair (as you all are) and I'm really starting to think that Motorola still is a "let them buy, then ****'em" company. Poor guys! They were almost gone out of the "hated companies" area! But they fell inside there AGAIN! This phone is AWSOME speaking of hardware. But what about software? What about features that it SHOULD (and IS) able to have but IT HASN'T yet?!? I'm really angry right now and thinking about selling it. And I won't EVER buy another Android phone until the fragmentation thing is definitely solved!

Why don't we organise a mail-bombing to Motorola??
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Cpt-Future:
Nice idea! :-) Unfortunately I have no clue how to do this... But I know that its up to the customers to get Motorola to serve new Android Versions.

Seriously: Even if Motorola (and one or two others) dont want to or is not able to offer free updates to their devices they should think about commercial (non free) updates. I believe that many users would BUY an Android update for around 20 to 40 bucks for their device. Google could do it too, of course.

Look at Microsoft and you see its possible to just sell an Operating System and get rich. They dont care about hardware component drivers but let that to the manufacturers (nVidia, AMD, Intel...). In case of handsets the hardware is more or less the same. They just use one or two processor architectures right now (ARM...) and combines them with two or three graphic processors. So the "computer" part of the Android smartphones is pretty much standardized yet. Thats a benefit for the handset producers, because they DO already working on new Android versions for SOME of their handsets (LG, Samsung, HTC) and for that already porting their software parts to that standardized chips. So it should be very cheap to take that results and make it out to the other handsets using the same chip types, too (just think about the whole Milestone hardware family [Droid/Droid X/MS/XT720/Defy/MS2...] which is more or less the same).

Lets imagine their are only 500.000 customers out their belong to the Milestone hardware family and willing to update their handsets for 20$. Motorola could earn 5 Mio. $ with just one wave. And they would earn another important thing: Satisfied customers recommending and buying their products!

Forgive me that Im dreaming of "intelligent business" again... ;-)

Future
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Wing_Zero85:
what you think if i'll made a petition online to ask motorola the gingerbread update?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Dexter_nlb:
i dont see why you guys still want to persue a release which already succeed the 2.2 which Motorola is yet to officially release for milestone..

it would make more sense to ask Motorola to release 2.2 for milestone in a stable version, which sounds like is more likely to happen, than having 2.3 which also needs to go through 10months testing.

who wants to wait for a 2.3 update in 2012? (based on 2.2 release in Q1/2011)
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Babis_ECE:
I honestly believe that the only way we will see Android 2.3 on our Milestones is if developers like nadlabak (CyanogenMod Team in general), Dexter, Feeyo, etc start "cooking" ROMs up..!

If it wasn't for you, we would still be with Android 2.1.

So, I really hope you guys keep doing your thing and provide us with new ROMs. Keep up the excellent work and we'll be waiting for a 2.3 ROM..!

:)
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Wing_Zero85:
Thread where to find link for petition to have android 2.3 on milestone:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=876903
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] hagizma:
after flashing 1.7 choronos rom my full battery finished in 2 hours on non stop using wifi. is this normal ?

PS: Over clocked 60 / 1000 mhz
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] DannyDroid:
Wrong thread.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] mystichobo:
Feeyo is on the job.

From:

http://www.cronosproject.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=569
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] vladstercr:
wow...good to hear that
[Vibrant General] ram100987:
Mods please read and consider!

I've noticed for awhile that once a particular rom reaches a certain age (sometimes only a few days) or popularity that the thread becomes hundreds or sometimes over one thousand pages long. I've been on xda since not too long after I bought my g1 which was pre ordered and received the day of initial release. So I know how frustrating it is to be searching for a question or answer but not have the time or patience to search through hundreds of pages for it. I feel like it would be extremely beneficial to everyone if once a rom reaches so many pages it is moved to it's own sub forum so that individual issues related to a rom can have their own thread.

I know there is a search function,i use it on a regular basis, but it is not always that easy. Not every body is a great search user, not always knowing the proper words to use to search for something and get useful results.

Also people are less likely to get an answer to their question if it's already hidden behind many pages of posts before someone with an answer comes around and they don't look far enough back to see the question.

I hope my thoughts made sense and some people out there agree with me.
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
i agree something needs to be done because the rom threads get out of control. i think part of the problem is that a new thread isn't created for a new version so you have people posting about bugs in multiple versions in one thread and you have hundreds of pages to wade through for an answer when each version may only have 10-30 pages.
[Vibrant General] regP:
+1

I've always felt that new versions of ROMs need a fresh start so that any information posted is found without sifting through dozens and dozens of pages (AFTER using the search function)

Sub-forums would be even better so all that previous info doesnt go away.
[Vibrant General] ram100987:
thanks for that input, I forgot about that point as well... ya 3, 4, 5 or more different version of a rom all crammed into one thread...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pokergypsy:
hi my galaxy s only has 4.00kb of camera firmware and my camera not working my wife has 20.00kb hers works fine how can i get the firmware?
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JasonOT:
The built in media apps are supposed to be able to connect to SMB shares, but I've yet to be able to connect to my WDTV Live using any of them. I haven't tried setting up any Windows shares to see if the combination fares any better.

I can, however, connect using ES File Explorer and ASTRO. ES File Explorer is actually able to find the SMB share on its own (smb://192.160.0.12). With ASTRO I need to specify the address. In any case, both apps can connect, I can copy, paste, and otherwise interact with the WDTV.

Unfortunately, whenever I run one of the stock media apps, it never finds any SMB shares.

I tried cifsManager, but based on the error messages, neither 2.1 or 2.2.1 on the A101 comes with its own cifs.ko. Perhaps one could be built for the A101, but that's beyond my level of knowledge right now.

The WDTV Live is running stock WD firmware. I've been thinking about loading brad's firmware, but I don't know if that will make any difference with this issue.

Any thoughts on what needs to be done to get this all up and running so I can stream right from my WDTV, rather than copying from it and then playing the video?
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MGUS:
only works with dnsnames (as far as i know).