yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Captivate General] avgjoegeek:
Yup... not worth getting - its a snazzy Samsung I'm sure with all the same ol' issues as our phone currently.

Only benefit is running Gingerbread out of the box and a flash on the camera. Plus the modem is only for T-Mobile which means Edge for us AT&T folks.
[Captivate General] akachay:
any chance of a nexus s at&t like nexus one at&t? my personal experience, i will only get android phone of nexus series or with cyanogen support. otherwise, i'm going to have to wait forever for update.
[Captivate General] c0ldburn3r:
Since Google has the full hardware specs on their site, I wonder if the Captivate will ever get Gingerbread? The Nexus S has very very similiar hardware specs.
[Captivate General] mchimney:
I don't think the captivate will ever get gingerbread: we don't even have froyo.
[Captivate General] buddy17:
the vibrant has the ATT 3g bands built in, has anyone seen specs that say this didn't happen on the Nexus S also??
[Captivate General] wade7919:
Wait afew months and i'm pretty sure there will be a Nexus S for ATT like the Nexus One for ATT

if not... wait till next year around Q2 and we should be seeing some new phones out on ATT for android
[Captivate General] Konner920:
http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s

^

Network support	Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700 HSPA type: HSDPA (7.2Mbps) HSUPA (5.76Mbps)
[Captivate General] kronck:
Yea, was just about to post this myself...

Why will the phone only work with AT&T Edge, and not AT&T 3G?
[Captivate General] malicenfz:
So.....just to be clear this would not work with ATT 3G? Does that mean the Nexus one is only on EDGE for ATT as well?
[Captivate General] kronck:
According to the specs listed here --> http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/tech-specs - it will work with AT&T 3G...unless I am mis-informed regarding the band frequencies.

Anyone with a educated answer able to confirm this?
[Captivate General] avgjoegeek:
:cool: Yup.. I stand corrected - this should be a fully "open" device. So you can pay the 600 bones or jump to T-Mobile for $299.00.

Either way it should be the same phone (not ala Nexus 1 which had two flavors for the different networks).

From the commercials - it does appear to be Samsung hardware with JUST Google goodness inside. If thats the case - should be a wicked fast device that works!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stirkac:
here you can read more about our beloved new version of Android, version 2.3!

sooo, im' asking you, how long do you think it will take to our developers to have it running smoothly on leo? :D:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zat0x:
How the hell should we know ???
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pr0x2:
There are so many devs on xda for HD2 it's just a race now lol.

Is the SDK downloadable already? :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
Yup!

10char
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] spbeeking:
I already gave infinitybiff the system.img from the 2.3 sdk. So, soon people!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] n_youn:
OMG Ur Really Asking a Dumb question O.o

It Will Take As Long As Xda Developers will take dont worry about it and let them do their hobbie(they arent getting paid for it) and eventually we will get it this thread will most likey jst pressure them more
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asctony:
Why Flame Just because someone asks a question?

I read these boards daily and I just have to comment on this one. Why do people who are using this forum so opinionated? Meaning, why don't you provide some positive comments rather than some smart ass remarks like the two people who just posted. If you don't like what someone has posted, ignore it. Especially when you are on your second posting and already you are a smart ass. This is a forum that people use to gather info, post info and try to help each other. Now, if your posting helps, then great. Otherwise, please try to be civil.

JMHO!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lomniom:
Agreed. =)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eenbox:
Love the post - but even better love the post before this one as shown on the screenshot... while asking this question and wondering, 20-25 minutes before the question was asked there is posted extracted img file of GingerDude :) ... I know it's not complete build but you can imagine since this fast extraction worked - Leo is gonna have gingerdude very very soon :L)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] domineus:
doubts this heavily

can't we wait till it is actually on a device like the n1 first and not just dumped from an emulator instead? also do we need 10 million threads of the same thing?

Gingerbread has not been released for any current device. why don't we just wait till there is a n1 release and then we can have at it?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deadmansink:
Agreed:) It wasn't pleasant when I start asking questions and I got sent to the "Box-of-silence" for "spilling-the-milk"...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jmmmmm:
Finally someone said it. Completely agree
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deadmansink:
If people do not like multiple threads, complainers, then why contribute to them by taking up space and jabbering comments? Kinda contradicktory; if the DEVS don't like it then they'll delete it, simple.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fusion06:
+1 ...i totally agree. some get ignorant for no reason. it's like they try to belittle others.try to sound one step smarter than the next person..and for what? what do you gain? i also hate when someone takes advantage of the post system and talks down to someone with less posts.

just because one has less posts then another doesn't mean they know any less. it just means they recently joined this forum. doesn't mean they are noobs. :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dusty_nz:
2.3

Correct me if I am wrong here but since 2.3 is a revision of 2.2 wouldn't it be a case of just updating the kernel and booting away??

Eg relatively minor work compared to the whole getting android on to HD2 in the first place.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] spbeeking:
Oh hell yeah. Saw this earlier, but didnt even realise that it was my post that you were talking about. Biff has already tried to start booting, but no luck yet. Motoman and M-deejay are on it as well.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stirkac:
geez you guys i post a topic and ofcourse some "smart" people who don't get the question ansewr as harsh as they can just to prove their "i'm a big important guy".

the question i posted was majorly mistaken as i tried to be retoric. to those who still don't get it better question could be "how long do you think our developers will need to get gingerbread working, share your thoughts!"

as i'm long time member of this site i can now perfectly see why some newbie users are afraid of asking and rather pay for complete tut how to get android workin on ebay and similar.

such big site should be open to new users because they can become potential developers (they get into it and get addicted...).

i know that flaming will still exist nomather what i write here, but, atleast if you can, answer to the new users, make good tutorials, suggest stickies to mods! this will keep our train rollin.

noone is born smart, you learn(ed) every and each thing you "smartasses" know and probably didn't just fall off the sky. you asked. so respect that!

EDIT: mods can now close this thread as gingerbread is working according to our hero darkstone!! :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deadmansink:
Awesome reply...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] koperko:
to stirkac>

absolutely agree..

long time ago i discover this forum with my first HTC Universal in my hand..and i love it here..

now with hd2 i learned so much about wm year by year.. so at this time i am ADDICTED :) full respect to devs and newebies booth is needed to keep this in friendly and going forward continuum.. i reply rarely but this is "must" quick reply :) salute to all members.. be friendly and helping each other.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stirkac:
thanks and respect to you! also includes deadmansink's post :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattijs86:
desireHD vs. Gingerbread 2.3

Just a question,

What's the big deal about Gingerbread? Is it that much better than desireHD, if so what are the benefits?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] morpheus1982:
Good question, but Google is your friend, so I am going to find out.

Desire HD runs on 2.2, so aside from HTC's improved version of Sense, it is running the same core as the Desire and any other worthy Android phone.

Time to find out what 2.3 offers.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stirkac:
it benefits developers mostly as they included some now really painfully needed tools for software/games development. also UI is more unified and looks more professional(this is why sense was needed on previous versions)

+stock android roms haven't got alot of common with sense-htc makes it's own experience as far as i see.
[General Topics] Phateless:
So my remorse period on my mt4g ends today and I was thinking of returning it so I can wait for the Nexus S, mainly for the pure Google experience.

Now that I see the specs I'm dumbfounded. WHY ON EARTH is it not HSPA+?

Less ram, no sd slot, no hspa+. I should probably just keep my mt4g with my whopping 768 megs of ram.

Thoughts???
[General Topics] diehard2222:
**** this phone.. absolute deal breaker for me was no expansion slot... at least they should of put 32 gigs of internal memory... what a massive disappointment...
[General Topics] Phateless:
I'm still thinking about it just for the pure Google...
[General Topics] rizzy123:
WTF £549 UK and $529 in US For unlocked version?!

Would it be possible to buy from US and will it work in UK?

Will save $331 if its possible

Pricing is also a big issue, i mean why is there such a big price difference for the same sim free phone, surely the shipping costs are not that high?!

differences from the Galaxy S are NFC curved screen and Gingerbread. The first 2 people arent too bothered about with the galaxy s already having a beautiful screen and gingerbread will come in the future or via a custom rom (if possible)

Major disappointment was expecting a dual core processor (orion) and a higher resolution screen. oh well at least its got a flash for camera
[General Topics] Phateless:
No clue on the shipping, but might want to research network differences.

As for the Galaxy S similarities - yeah, I noticed that right away. Same ram, same processor (although newer version, right? Will confirm.), same screen.

It does have the NFC thing, and I noticed the other day that the Fascinate already has the flash. Why the Vibrant doesn't is completely beyond me... :rolleyes:

I swear, I really don't understand the manufacturers' decision-making process regarding spec of new hardware.

EDIT - I have to rant about this again. Why the **** did they not include support for HSPA+? That just doesn't make any sense to anybody...
[General Topics] Phateless:
Yup, Galaxy S and Nexus S have the same processor; cortex a8. The mt4g has a newer processor, I think; Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon.

COMPARE ON PHONESCOOP

COMPARE ON GOOGLE

*Sigh* all signs point toward the MT4G being a superior piece of hardware. I wonder why Google took the Nexus away from HTC and gave it to Samsung?
[General Topics] N8ter:
I'm more surprised that so many people were considering buying a Samsung phone.

Their issues go well beyond software quality :P
[General Topics] decepticon:
I will stick with my Galaxy S until a better phone with NAM frequencies comes around.

No sd expansion is a deal breaker for me as I normally use around 20GB for music, videos, and pictures.

Gingerbread will be ported to the similarly specd Galaxy S soon enough.
[General Topics] AGx-07_162:
Seriously, lack of HSPA+ is the absolute deal breaker for me. I would have bought it for 2.3 alone but no HSPA+? It's like, why make a phone for a carrier and not support all its features? Why should I bother buying the Nexus S when HTC has released phones already that are better in almost every way and will release more in the future to trump? Why buy coal today when I can get gold tomorrow?

As much as I hate the MyTouch phones, I may end up with one. Why do all the Pure Google phones have to suck? (No offence N1 or G2 but N1 lacks HSPA+ and G2 is lower on processing power.)
[General Topics] SiL3nTKiLL:
sticking with the galaxy s for now :)
[General Topics] Knedjo:
In the era of 768MB phones... (HTC) and time of 1.2GHz Cortex-A8 device (Motorola) with 8MP cameras (SonyEricsson) and mandatory SD slots and PROPERLY PLACED Home/Taskman buttons!!! We're presented with so called flagship phone that brings what??

Optimization for Samsung's Cortex-A8 architecture called Hummingbird?! Yes, that's OK, but what's with the rest of the offering? NFC!? who cares!?

this is really debacle!!

I still can't figure out who's idea was to place home button, that's so frequently used in the most ergonomically painful place?!

IMHO, Samsung made deal with Google to use Nexus brand in exchange for some benefits (money, scraping Bada, not focusing on WP7... who knows... who cares), and only thing they did is to repack Galaxy S for the fifth time!!

That's fine by Google, and marketing people with in Samsung! For crying out loud they're selling crap-load of Galaxyes despite their very well know issues with GPS, that just can't be mended by software patches... at least not properly!

What's bad for Google is that for the first time a new flagship Android device hasn't delivered and lived up to hype!
[General Topics] derekthejw:
[/QUOTE]Why do all the Pure Google phones have to suck? (No offence N1 or G2 but N1 lacks HSPA+ and G2 is lower on processing power.)[/QUOTE]

My g2 is clocked at 1.4 ghz

Without perm root

It takes me 20 seconds to root and 20 seconds to unroot
[General Topics] devsk:
These three things (SD slot, hspa+, 512 RAM) are a deal breaker for me as well. gingerbread is not really a great exclusivity because it will show up on mytouch 4g and G2 soon.

Such a beautiful phone limited by someone in product mgmt not looking at the current state of affairs in mobile hardware.
[General Topics] bgolfn:
Must be a moneey thing. I wont pay $500.+ for just a front camera, and plastic.
[General Topics] Phateless:
I really don't get it. All of this leads me to the conclusion that I was a ****ing idiot for not buying the N1 the very first day it was out. All the rooting and futzing I've done with my mt3g was just to try to get it to run Navi and Pandora simultaneously. That's all I ever wanted.

If I had bought that phone on day one I would still be happy.

Don't get me wrong I love the mt4g, but I'll love it a lot more when CM6 or even CM7 are officially released.
[General Topics] N8ter:
LOL! I just noticed the capacitive buttons all have a different place compared to the Vibrant. Every. Single. Button. Moved! Wut the hell?!

Google is utterly ignorant when it comes to consistency and user experience. What a fail.

I went from HTC to Samsung (both Android phones) and had to reprogram my brain for the buttons. Why would I want to torture myself again, pressing back and exiting an app when I just wanted to open the menu, etc.

No, No, No...
[General Topics] donsasan:
Who said Nexus S was going to be a flagship?

Even the best hardware needs good software and optimization AND the hardware components must be chosen wisely to work together.

Not everything works good together. Samsung is the best at this. The hardware they choose is consistently good.

If you doubt it, then aks yourself why the Galaxy S has been released in 7 different versions, sold over 5 million times and become European Smartphone of the year!

So HTC and Motorola and whatnot may have phones with one or two good hardware components but the other components suck.

Thus they have to release lots of new phone to cover that their phones actually suck while the Galaxy S is future-proof.

The only thing Samsung couldn't do was the software part.

But Google saw the potential of Galaxy S and took care of the software problem by releasing the Nexus S with optimized Android Gingerbread.
[General Topics] Phateless:
You really believe that the MT4G will be a letdown as a total package? The only thing that bugs me is Sense, otherwise I love the look, feel and build quality.

I've had a few Samsung phones (never a smartphone) and think they make great hardware, but the GPS issues with Galaxy leave me less than impressed, especially since Navi is one of the primary reasons I love Android in the first place.
[General Topics] N8ter:
Samsung fails at hardware just as much as the other manufacturers. I don't know where you're getting this from, unless you really believe the GPS issues in Galaxy S phones are a software problem (I'm inclined not to).

Furthermore, the Hummingbird SoC is not much better than Moto's OMAP SoC in the Droid X, and it will be outperformed handily by chipsets being released soon.

The potential of Galaxy S wasn't much higher (if at all) than other phones released in that time frame. That hardware is ~8 months old now and it's nothing to rave about considering what newer phones will be releasing with - probably cheaper than this one.

And some of the ommissions (like the SD card and not upping the RAM when it's fairly obvious the phones don't have 512 MB application accessible RAM, more internal storage, more DRM/Media support, etc.) are simply laughable...

What Samsung did here is about as impressive as what HTC did with the HD7.

Put a new (though less impressively new) OS on old hardware and ripped some **** out of it, then bumped the pricetag up above practically every other smartphone on the market.

Who's gonna buy this **** when they can get Vibrants/HD7s via BOGO or cheap as hell on eBay or CraigsList due to the way T-Mobile cannibalizes the phone's value on the open market?
[General Topics] Phateless:
Agreed. I'm crowning the MT4G the current king of hardware. :cool:

For at least a week anyway. :p
[General Topics] donsasan:
Give it a couple of month and you won't be hearing from it.

Have any of you ever tried another navigation software, GPS works only that bad with Google Navigation. Im not saying it works like a charm with other software but I'm sure this is fixed either with software adjustment or with simply using another GPS chip in Nexus S

Again, you're refering to just ONE component.

It may be 8 months old but what makes this phone unique (in a good way) is the interaction of the components. It's like cooking, you may use the most expencive lobster but if you use a prepared sauce it still tastes like ****.

I admit missing SD Card is just ****, but in fact they did increase the RAM, normal Galaxy S has 384 MB.

I didn't say one word about price politics. Also keep in mind that there is NO confirmed price.
[General Topics] Knedjo:
It sold that much because Samsung had outrageous deals towards operators! They've also cut off main competitor from the AMOLED supply in critical moment!

For crying out loud that frigging phone has flawed GPS chip! And it's a hardware issue because GPS controler is the part of the SoC! to fix that issue properly Samsung needed to make additional "respin" of the SoC, and for all of the Galaxyes out there they have software patch that burdens rest of the chip for effectively emulating GPS controller instructions!

Also the main goal of 2.3 is to bring appropriate optimizations for Samsung's Cortex-A8 based Hummingbird! FroYo is absolutely tailored for Qualcomm's "Scorpion" base Snapdrgon, and if you check out benchmarks of the Froyo on Qualcomm based device against Samsung/Texas Instruments based device you'll see proof for that!

One more thing have you all noticed how hard it was to deploy FroYo on Hummingbird (GalaxyS) and OMAP3000 series (DROIDs)?! Reason is in fabric of Foryo's optimizations towards Qualcomm SoCs! Gingerbread is here to fix that!! It's its key purpose!

Back to topic - Nexus S is sooo Samsungish - generally good but with some idiotic flaws in key usability areas!
[General Topics] Phateless:
That's true of any smartphone, lol.

Nope. Only 384 was available when it first shipped (Eclair could only recognize 384mb IIRC) but the hardware has 512mb, all of which should be accessible with Froyo.

http://www.google.com/phone/detail/samsung-vibrant-a-galaxy-s-phone
[General Topics] Phateless:
Do your Googling.

Best Buy will have it first I think. Phone arrives Dec. 16th and will be available for $199 as an upgrade or $529 without contract.
[General Topics] cantIntoCode:
I'll wait to see how long it takes for gingerbread to make it to the galaxy s and if it's easy to port between phones. Kind of like the desire and nexus one. If not I shall be switching for the pure nexus experience :D
[General Topics] Phateless:
Here you go, here's an article.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/12/android-23-launched-samsung-nexus-s-announced.ars

Also, the Nexus S is already showing on the complete list of Android phones at:

www.Google.com/phone

Educate yourselves before you start making **** up.
[General Topics] donsasan:
Really? It's not true of the Galaxy S.

False. I just checked it on my SGS and it accesses still 345MB

Well, that is less than a normal SGS. (In europe anyways)

(467 Euro = 620,5029 US-Dollar)
[General Topics] backslide311:
Exactly, unless we can port Nexus S builds to the Vibrant. If that's the case than the Vibrant > Nexus S
[General Topics] Phateless:
How do you mean? Yeah they still sell but more powerful hardware already exists, like the mt4g.

I guess it's possible you're spec'd differently. Over here in America it comes with 512mb of ram and that's what every spec page says, including T-mobile's.

Yeah, I'm figuring American dollars.
[General Topics] donsasan:
US-Dollars and american dollars are the same.

And by the way:

amazon.com: 590$ (american dollars, so you dont misunderstand things) (SGS)

bestbuy.com: 650$ (epic 4g)

bestbuy.com: 550$ (vibrant)

bestbuy.com: 600$ (fascinate)

bestbuy.com: 450$ (captivate)

So the Nexus S ranks between the captivate and vibrant.

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-760393.html

Every spec page says 512MB but thats just not the case. But in your defense the same problem might apply to the Nexus S.
[General Topics] N8ter:
Lol. Not even worthy of a response, except to el-oh-el...

Samsung's little arm never gives up.
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
I switched to Sprint from AT&T back when I got my Evo at the end of August. I can't believe my Evo has better specs than this phone (minus maybe the processor). I'm also dumbfounded as to why there's no HSPA+ and and no MicroSD card slot. 90% of apps read off the memory card, including DoubleTwist, for example. The upgrade over the phones out now (Evo, Incredible, MT4G, G2, DHD, DZ) are marginal at best.

Still, I would consider the Nexus S over the Evo simply because it gets priority in terms of updates. I still wish they went with HTC. I also think the capacitive button layout is retarded. The phone looks good on paper, but for everyday use? I'm not so sure.
[General Topics] donsasan:
Yeah the discussions not worth it. Why dont you sell your Vibrant and buy a HTC and be happy?
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
He's partially right. The Fascinate from Verizon comes with 384MB of RAM instead of 512MB because they increased the internal storage (stupid move IMO).
[General Topics] Phateless:
Wow... so let me get this straight:

On most phones radio ram and system ram are separate, but on the Galaxy S phones the radio just uses up system ram?

That's kinda lame...

If those prices are accurate people are getting gouged. T-mobile offered to sell me the mt4g outright for $400. I should have done that instead of upgrading.