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[EVO 4G General] willy900wonka:
Well it seems that the Nexus ( a confluence of the android OS's) "S" is not fully NFC empowered. It can only read, not transmit (page 333 of the gingerbread manual) ( thanks to android police). So it won't be able to act as a credit card. Now IIRC that chip is supposed to be reprogramable... so maybe there is a future intent (lol).

So NFC is new, and in my suspicions, to help control some aspect of it the sdcard was removed. Not enough reason to make it desirable to me.
[EVO 4G General] egzthunder1:
I have removed some of the useless banter in this thread. Try to carry the discussion in peace. Thanks.

@Last-Chance,

Would you mind lowering your tone on the language? Every other sentence you type has the word sh!t in it... curse words are not allowed on xda grounds. Please refrain from using this. Same goes to all of you.
[EVO 4G General] rockky:
Love love love my Evo more than I did day it was released. But have to say Nexus IS in fact a device that in EFFECT is just a better device. Its OK fanboys! (Im one two).

Downsides for me are... smaller screen (although I love Samsung screens)...and no hspa+ .

Concerning speed : I think 4G is monumentally overated...not in terms of app speedtests lol, but actual data transfer. Spent quite a bit of testing here in Chicago and I can say with certaintity: T-Mobiles galaxy S on Hspa is faster 9 times out of 10 than the Evo on 4G.....unLESS I was lucky enough to be in an ultra strong 4G area,...forget indoors,and,uh,its Winter here. And....3G vs 3G?....well its a massacre,the like of New England vs the Jets last night...and the Evo wasn't New England.

I care about functionality way more than form...so the admittedly cheaper build of the NexusS doesn't bother me.

I can manage my data fine on 16G so that doesn't bother me.

Galaxy S and Evo camera shots were virtually the exact same...Cept in dim conditions.

Will I get the Nexus2...considering it, but because Sprint has been working with HTC pretty well to keep us updated...probably NOT lol!

We'll all be gorging on gingerbread in no time.

Too bad gingerbread can't do anything about this C R A P Evdo network.....or the gaping holes in Wimax coverage!
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
I like that it has Hummingbird, but that's what Galaxy S phones were for. Everyone was speculating and hoping for higher specs for this device, but I don't think that this device was made to push or show any new hardware. Just software as we've all seen.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
The more I look at it, the more I'm attracted to it (except for its stupid button layout!). As long as the internal memory is emulated as an SD card and not just "internal memory", I like it. I can live without HSPA+ because I have Wifi around.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Guess its all subjective because where I am I get great 3g speeds and even superb 4g speeds so nothing you said would apply to me. There's no way I would change carriers first of all especially a bad one at that for a phone who offers nothing over my evo.
[EVO 4G General] TheBiles:
I can't compare 3G, but I will agree with you 100% on 4G. It's an absolute joke here in Atlanta, and I can't get it at all indoors. If I'm not out around town then I have no use for it, and even during those times I was out and about it would burn my battery like a gasoline-soaked rag. One of the primary reasons I don't have any issues with CyanogenMod.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
Lol, I never turn 4g off. At first, I turned it off all the time, but never noticed a significant increase in battery life. I work away from an office, so 4G speed is freakin awesome for me, and makes my internet usage so much more pleasant. Maybe I just got lucky where i live, but I get fine 4G reception most places I go daily, with just a few dead spots here and there. And this is the only reason I'm not using CM, which I miss.
[EVO 4G General] JayStation3:
I wouldn't know cause I'm just as loyal to my EVO as I am to my PS3... I won't even let friends bring an xbox in to my house... ;)

Sent from the MATRIX... while plugged into my EVO... using the XDA app... from a galaxy far-far away.......
[EVO 4G General] david279:
I don't think the nexus S has a removable battery....
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
It has to have one. A: Because that would be a stupid move on Google and Samsung's part. And B: Because you have to access the SIM card slot. Unless there's a tray like on the iPhone, where else are they going to put the battery?
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
It wouldn't surprise me

edit: Just found this, says 1400mAh and removable. I think they got the RAM and ROM mixed up though... Google Nexus S specs
[EVO 4G General] Jbcarrera:
No they got the rom and storage wrong. ram is used to cache rom is read only think of a pc more ram means runs smoother more hdd means more storage

Sent from my EVO at the edge of Hell
[EVO 4G General] Pierceye:
Well, I don't think it's unfair to say that overall, people are disappointed with this latest offering from Samsung. Summing up what I read here is that between it's relatively minimal performance improvements over current handsets, lack of basic hardware components(LED, SD slot), no HSPA+, that it's a bit of a letdown. This phone would have rocked 6 months ago, but other than Gingerbread it's only on par with what's available now. As the next device in the Nexus line it should heve raised the bar in terms of hardware and performance, instead of just barely clearing the one that already exists.

I read in another article that the Nexus phones should represent the average specs, not the top of the line. This seems foolish to me. How can a developer know what to expect for top of the line performance if the test device can't perform that way? You can underclock to simulate performance on a slower device, but from my understanding, the more you overclock the more unstable it becomes. So trying to overclock a single core to simulate performance on a high end, dual core device seems kinda futile. Maybe that's just me though.
[EVO 4G General] snovvman:
I have a Nexus One the day it was released. I have an Evo, and an Epic. I like the fact that N1 is AOSP, but the Evo community more than makes up for it. The Epic, coupled with the lack of releases from Samsung, less so.

To dispute some post before that talks about 4G only having max battery of 3-4 hours. Not true at all. I have good 4G coverage in my office, and it lasts all day with moderate use.

I carry both the Evo and Epic, and the Evo does have better build quality in my opinion. One big issue with the Epic is that there is so much play between the keyboard and screen, the two parts "flop" against each other at times. The two Epics I had both did this from day one.

The Epic does have better camera, camera application, and prettier screen, but with leaked Froyo (yes, still don't even have 2.2.x), one cannot disable picture geotagging. GPS is STILL buggy.

Similarly configured, I get better battery life from the Evo.

Were I to have to chose only one phone today, I'd take the Evo.

On to the Nexus S: No microSD, notification LED, and HSPA+ does kill the deal for me. When I heard of the release, I was ready to buy it. But no more. A huge limitation for both Nexus S and Nexus One is T-Mobile. I'm in Los Angeles, and T-Mo still has such bad data coverage that I spend much time in EDGE. I stopped carrying the N1 for that reason.

And to the poster who asked, yes, I DO know what AOSP is. Most of us do I think...

There is more on my mind, but gotta go!

Edit: I find it amusing, and indeed absurd, that those who are the most ignorant are the most opinionated. Armed with baseless and factless assertions (and a potty mouth), they will just never get it.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
THIS is why I will never buy a Samsung phone. So glad I didn't go with the Epic: http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/09/samsung-undecided-about-gingerbread-on-galaxy-s-google-says-har/
[EVO 4G General] kamtsa:
Last time I checked, getting a subsidized phone or buying your own unlocked phone and using TMobile Plus plan ends up with about the same annual cost.
[EVO 4G General] derekwilkinson:
Not impressed. As far as build quality, iPhone has the best. As far as UI, HTC is the best. Back when I had my Sony Clies, I had something with great hardware/build and a nice OS/UI (for the time). It sucks that Sony makes such horrible phones now.
[EVO 4G General] tmotech88:
At this point i think the fault for this phones that are not up to par lie on the Company that manufacture these devices. The HTC EVO is a major improvement in android phones period. It is a well built device over all. we have to be real when it comes to new phones, no other phone on the market is procressing forward like the EVO did. before the evo we diff didnt have a 4.3 inch screen, dual cam, 720 recording, yea we have had ****ty battery life but HDMI ( that barely works lol) 4g that is pretty steady, choice of open-source roms and kernals. i mean we have come a long way and the same thing happened when th NExus one came out. to be honest. the Nexus s is a beautiful looking phone but they havent progressed in phone develpoment at all. yea it has a front facing camera and the super clear screen but what else are we gaining with this phone?? Process is faster yes but we would expect it to be faster then the EVO. what about the feel of the phone? What about the network it can be used on? what about the quality of Serivce it puts out on a diff network. to be honest the Evo is the Nexus one of 2009. I would say the G2 is a all around hacker friendly phone and the Samsung Nexus S is going to be a problem for those who enjoy adding some power and speed to there phone. the phone might be fast stock but just about no one in this forum is settleing for STOCK SPEED. Dual Core Devices will be the only phone that will sur-pass the EVO. so i think Next year will be the time where we can compare phones to our EVO. We are close but not yet there.
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Haha, you just can't see that Sprint network dropping down to 1X constantly because they anticipated this and covered it up with a 3G icon. The Nexus One has the worst reception ever on the T-Mobile network. /anyway

HSPA+ does not bring a huge increase in speed. You won't notice in when browsing or doing nearly all other tasks on the phone, including normal tethering.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
That's true. As much as I hate Verizon, they had the honesty not to do that on the Droid Incredible.
[EVO 4G General] snovvman:
The no-1x indicator was a well known issue with the Epic and Evo, and I have posted about this long before. The point of the matter is that Sprint's coverage where I work, live, and play is significantly better than T-Mobile. Sprint spends a lot less time in 1x than T-Mo in EDGE. From my experience, Sprint's 1x is still faster than T-Mo's EDGE, despite EDGE's faster theoretical speeds.

HSPA+ is useful when streaming or downloading large files. It is more consistent. The point here is the having the feature available for if/when it is applicable.

I like UMTS/HSPA. The technology supports simultaneous voice/data. I know WiMax does also, but no one, including ATT, has enough UMTS coverage to sustain that feature.
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
There is no increased "consistency" with HSPA+, it's just increased theoretical maxes. In fact you would notice fluctuations in network speed more because of the higher peaks.

1X is barely faster than GPRS in normal usage so that's interesting to say the least. I can barely stream Slacker over EDGE whereas it's impossible on 1X.

It's interesting that you say this. I spent some time with Sprint's data cards and I was not impressed.. even if it was on the 3G network, speed could still be slow with it constantly switching between 1X/REV-A during an active data session(yes, active and not idle). Like I said, reduction in data coverage is a problem for Sprint too, they're just dishonest about it and it might be worse in different cities.
[EVO 4G General] halorin:
I can't go below a 4.3 inch screen after having the Evo. They could slap a tegra 2 in one of these and I think I'd keep this phone forever.
[EVO 4G General] eluno:
nice phone but i will still take my evo over it
[EVO 4G General] snovvman:
The result is more consistent because it can sustain/maintain higher data rates. The practical matter is that there will be less drop-outs. I also see reduced latency/ping time with +. That makes a difference in load time and more.

I specifically indicated that it was MY experience that 1x is faster than EDGE. I have service with Verizon, Sprint, ATT, and ATT. The CDMA carriers' 1x has almost always been faster than the GSM carriers' EDGE *FOR ME*. EDGE is only as good as the slots allocated. One of the main issues with EDGE is the latency.

I use Verizon's data card all the time. Here in Los Angeles, it is much better than ATT's data card (which I also have). There is virtually no 1x/EV switching.
[EVO 4G General] live2ride96:
Looks cool. Biggest problem with it is it's still made by Samsung. Plan for it to be on Gingerbread for a while, even if it is stock Android. Lol. Sorry. I'm a little disgruntled. Much happier now that I traded my Epic for my new Evo.
[EVO 4G General] jwils96:
And i thought the people on the epic forum were rude..
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
What did we do?
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
I was called a noob the other day. I been Modding since razr V3 and theming sidekicks lol.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Ditto, on howardforums. I wrote a while tutorial on how to unlock a Raze V3 by flashing it.

CLUBLIGHTS FTW!!!
[EVO 4G General] jdh10475:
No HSPA+ so whats the point.
[EVO 4G General] xdp:
I'm disappointed by the trend in phones not having LED notification lights. iPhone never has, neither does WP7, and now even these new Android phones don't (and honestly, it was obviously an extreme afterthought on the EVO, as well). I don't get why - the utility of it for me is great. Not having it means turning my phone on to check for things every time I return to it, and if I don't I might end up not texting or calling someone back for hours. How is this preferable?
[EVO 4G General] fchipm:
Totally agree with this. BB's seem to be the only one sticking with this, and they've always done it best IMO.

HTC seems to keep it alive, but recently they've kinda sucked - Hero and EVO only has a two-color notifier and it's uber tiny (yeah I know there's the Wimax light but it's not oficially supported). I hope they don't go the way of the dodo.
[EVO 4G General] TheBiles:
I will admit that one very big thing about the Nexus S entices me... Getting these bad boys instantly:
[EVO 4G General] TruSlide:
Quadrant score on a friends mytouch4g.

If i had to move to T-Mo... it definitely wouldn't be with the Nexus S. I had higher hopes following the Nexus 1... That phone was great.
[EVO 4G General] snovvman:
+1 (unless you're heygrl)

+1

My Epic's LED doesn't even work properly. Well known issue. It blinks for a few seconds then stops. I have to use a 3rd party app to get it to work. Sheesh.
[EVO 4G General] SkuzFoz:
I think I reallly want the live wallpaper they're showing it running, that's what I think.
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
Looks like it's just the dark background for Nexus, but not sure.
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
I'm not sure where you're using this 1X that's consistently better than EDGE but 1X is inferior to the EDGE data network when it's running in good health. That might not include AT&T's EDGE network.

For someone that's actually on the network, HSPA+ is not all it's cracked up to be. You will NOT see speeds over 6Mbps often. You can all stop whining about a feature that's more attractive on paper than it is in the real world.

NoLED works well.
[EVO 4G General] snovvman:
Good that YOU post YOUR experience based on where YOU are, at the exact time YOU did it! Hey, do you even know what AOSP is? :D (sorry, not directed at you, only poking fun at a much earlier post).

EDGE performance is highly dependent on slot class availably/capability both at the phone and carrier/cell site, as well as demand allocation. If the cell site busy, you may get fewer slots. 1x is more consistent for ME. Again, ME!!!

I AM on HSPA+ and it does make a difference for MY browsing experience!! :eek: Clear? LOL...

Don't like NoLED. :p
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Stop diluting yourself. 1X is garbage, and apparently whatever EDGE network you're using is too. I'm glad you're clarifying the fact that your experience is extremely limited to yourself because it's a vast contrast to reality.

HSPA+ over 7.2 HSPA makes no difference in browsing. You're full of it. What are your speed differences on T-Mobile's HSPA+ network over the 7.2 network? Since you're a customer and.. well, oops!
[EVO 4G General] snovvman:
WOW... I'm sooooo impressed with you!! Your OPINION is THE ONLY ONE that can be right and now I know it! :p:D LOL!!
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
di·lute

[dih-loot, dahy-; adj. also -dahy-loot] -lut·ed, -lut·ing, adjective

–verb (used with object)

1.to make (a liquid) thinner or weaker by the addition of water or the like.

2.to make fainter, as a color.

3.to reduce the strength, force, or efficiency of by admixture.
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
It's not an opinion, it's fact and apparently you have no facts to share.

Look, HSPA+ is not going to make a difference in browsing compared to a 7.2HSPA device or in 90% of the other tasks you can do on your phone/with your phone.
[EVO 4G General] snovvman:
Three minutes of search:

http://qualcomm.com/innovation/stories/hspa_plus.html

https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/224965#224965

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/472013-GPRS-vs-EDGE-compared-to-Verizon-1X

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55063

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=6666692

Guess what? Some people do see HSPA+ being faster? Guess what, some people do experience faster 1x over EDGE. There will be just as many who experience the opposite, but it does not mean that those are facts and there cannot be another possibility. If time were convenient, I'd find lots more variations.

Thank you. Thank you for proving that:

1) Everyone else on the web is lying.

2) It is not possible to have varying results or experiences.

3) Only you are correct and whatever you think is fact.

4) Just because I'm too lazy to post pictures makes you absolutely right.

5) The subject matter is just as simple as you make it.

6) You mastered the use of the word "dilute" in its adjective form.

We are really off topic now, and to the thread participants, I apologize. heygrl, let's just agree to disagree, and you can go enjoy your facts. Okay? You can even have the last word (I know you need it-so post away). Okay? All better?
[EVO 4G General] Justin.G11:
As a phone... it's kind of neat but not worth getting rid of my phone over. It is a decent phone overall.

BUT ... that i said I'm very jealous of it getting stock AOSP updated directly from Google. With Samsung's update times being so absolutely horrible ... I wonder if this is a model they plan to adapt with all their phones or not. THIS I'm jealous of. It's the only reason I rooted my EVO, and I'd happily sit on stock AOSP from Google if it means i get OTA updates at the pace Google pushes them out.

It would be absolutely awesome if HTC did the same ... but I don't see them giving up on Sense anytime soon (that would be wonderful ... if at the end of a phone's support life the manufacturer pushes out an AOSP version .... hey i can dream!)
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Now you're linking 7 year old threads and 7.2HSPA phones on the HSPA+ network. What a joke
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Minus the interface, LG put out a better phone than Samsung. Watch the second video that has the benchmarks (Quadrant, Nena, Neocore). This phone is a beast!

http://www.engadget.com/lg-star/preview/
[EVO 4G General] sultan.of.swing:
After having a galaxy s phone (epic), the 4" screen size becomes a hinderence. The samoled is awesome but too small.
[Nexus One General] stewartk:
its here

http://d.android.com/sdk/android-2.3.html
[Nexus One General] time_shock:
first! lol
[Nexus One General] mkrmec:
bazinga :D

update can't be far behind? :D
[Nexus One General] Hollow.Droid:
Giggity! I hope this is the first of a few surprises today ;)
[Nexus One General] dharani1234:
AWESOME !!!! now I need screenshots and features :D:D
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
'Bout time.
[Nexus One General] Markdental:
Nice!!! Now, can someone tell me what is in Gingerbread officially?
[Nexus One General] elmerendeiro:
Great
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Well I suspect there are thousands of people frantically updating the SDK to checkout the emulator (guilty :D), so there might be stuff to report soon.
[Nexus One General] xzr3b0rnzx:
Sweeeeeeeeet!
[Nexus One General] floydsox:
Click the platform highlights link to see the new features
[Nexus One General] stewartk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx3pdWBlZ34&feature=player_embedded
[Nexus One General] onesavior:
New features look awesome! Can't wait!
[Nexus One General] Markdental:
Gingerbread is the fastest version of Android yet, and it delivers a number of improvements, such as user interface refinements, NFC support, a new keyboard and text selection tool, Internet (VoIP/SIP) calling, improved copy/paste functionality and gyroscope sensor support.

New Keyboard!!!!! Wonder if Blindtype is incorporated???
[Nexus One General] TitusF:
Nexus-S on Google Phones page :)
[Nexus One General] Hollow.Droid:
Some decent shots of the Nexus S in that video :)
[Nexus One General] jacindc:
If the Nexus S is unlocked, will an AT&T user be able to use it? (remembering the different breeds of the Nexus One for AT&T/Rogers)
[Nexus One General] IpodLover77:
you should be able to. won't get att 3g though.
[Nexus One General] mkrmec:
Engadget reports that the ROM update 2.3 is being pushed as we speak!!

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/06/android-2-3-update-now-rolling-out-to-nexus-one-owners/
[Nexus One General] clickwir:
Wasn't it a month or two after Froyo ASOP was released that it made it to the N1?

I hope it doesn't take that long again... but I'm using CyanogenMod 6.1 and just upgraded it last night. Gingerbread would have to have some really new, killer features to get me to move away from CyanogenMod 6.1.
[Nexus One General] innov8ion:
I'm getting the below error on my Nexus One w/ CM 6.1 when upgrading the keyboard. Does anyone know how to fix this?

Verifying update package…

E:Missing file:

system/tts/lang_pico/es-ES_ta.bin

E:Verification failed

Installation aborted
[Nexus One General] rickytenzer:
If you're running the latest version of Amon_RA's recovery, there's an option to turn off signature verification.
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
It's multi touch now at least. You can hold on shift and enter numbers, let go and it'll go back to ABC.
[Nexus One General] moelester518:
The multi-touch thing doesn't work for me.
[Nexus One General] rickytenzer:
Me neither.
[Nexus One General] innov8ion:
You're the man! Yes, I'm running Amon_RA 2.0.0. For reference, enter Amon_RA's recovery, click "Other", and "Toggle Signature Verify." Then flash the zip as normal. Thx. :)
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
My bad. You hold the number key, let go to go back.
[Nexus One General] DarkOne951:
Fix

Fix for word prediction is up!

http://fabdroid.com/downloads/Fabolous_GBKB_Fix.zip

Flash like the original zip and have fun!
[Nexus One General] rickytenzer:
This also fixes double tap for space! Sweet.
[Nexus One General] DarkOne951:
There is also another thread about the keyboard alone in the themes and apps section. Hope that helps
[Nexus One General] atomb:
Super early build for Eris

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=863156

Looks like they have a working rom (sort of) for the eris already
[Nexus One General] elmerendeiro:
It only works in english
[Nexus One General] :
Wasting resources on the UI is a fruitless endeavor for google. They know mfgs/carriers and gonna gut it regardless.

Software isn't going to magically fix the ****ty digitizer.

I wonder how the people who said "it's not a big deal" to a sub par digitizer are feeling now? Gimped keyboards and Maps in less than one year. Smooth move Google!