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[General Topics] Product F(RED):
On top of that, there's the retarded proprietary file system (RFS). It does include some benefit, since it's harder to corrupt, say if you yanked the battery, but it's not worth the lag. Hence you see so many "lag fixes" for the Galaxy S phones. They basically convert the RFS file system to EXT2/EXT3.
[General Topics] Phateless:
Wow, getting more and more glad I didn't get the Vibrant.

So does anyone know why Google went with Samsung and not HTC this time?
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
Probably to diversify. It's a nice move I guess but I still think the phone could have come out better. I guess they didn't want to stick with HTC and make all of the other manufacturers pissed off that they don't have exclusives. Watch the next one be Motorola.

I can live without HSPA+ or extra RAM, all I beg for is a MicroSD card slot and that the button layout be: HOME - MENU - BACK - SEARCH.

I'm 100% not getting this phone right now. Not because I don't want it, but because I'm only 4 months into contract with Sprint.
[General Topics] Phateless:
Excellent point, that makes sense and I agree that it's a good move on Google's part. HTC already got the G1, Nexus One and G2.

The original Droid was their flagship for Eclair though, I thought that was a pretty big deal.

Coming from the MT3G, those are things I couldn't live without.

Agreed, messing with the button layout is STUPID.

Yeah, I JUST renewed with T-mobile and my remorse period ends today, but I'm not getting the Nexus S due to all the aforementioned reasons. Once CM6 OR CM7 come out for my phone I'll be a happy camper.
[General Topics] Puddle Jumper:
The mt4g does have more ram than the Galaxy S but it has vastly inferior gpu as well as a mediocre screen.

Google likely went with Samsung because they are the only Android OEM capable of making all of the phones major components in house. Not only do they design and fab the Hummingbird SoC but they also manufacture the NAND flash as well as the RAM and SuperAMOLED display. HTC on the other hand is more of an assembler and is dependent on other companies like Qualcomm and Samsung for most of their components.
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
Here's how I see it:

- Super AMOLED is super exaggerated. Contrast is ridiculous and colors aren't displayed accurately.

- You can have bleeding-edge hardware, product life, and stability, but not all the 3. The Galaxy S phones ARE more powerful than many HTC phones, but look at the issues with them. Proprietary file system that causes slowdowns. GPS issues. By no means am I calling them bad phones, but Samsung doesn't have as good of a track record as HTC. Plus, they usually get rooted first and have the most community support. That's why I chose the Evo over the Epic. I wanted a stable phone with tons of ROMs and a large community. I could care less if it can play the latest and greatest games.
[General Topics] Phateless:
I was also hoping the HTC device would have more CM love than the Samsung ones.
[General Topics] Puddle Jumper:
And most other smatphone displays are every bit as under saturated as S-Amoled is over saturated. The only phone with a notable advantage is color accuracy is the Droid 1 which actually has a very accurate screen.

Super AMOLED still offers better contrast and veining angles than any traditional LCD phone ever will.
[General Topics] fzr-r4:
While the hardware is long in the tooth now (almost one year old!), I'll pass on the Nexus S at full price and stick with my second hand Nexus One.

I got it when Froyo came out, and Gingerbread's already out there running on Nexus One hardware, so it should be available shortly after the Nexus S is officially released (or even before Dec. 16, if there's a leak . . .).

I love immediate updates, so I was eagerly awaiting the Nexus S, but I just don't see how it's that much usably better than what I have already.
[General Topics] onthecouchagain:
I understand the Nexus name has become the quintessential Google phone, but was the Nexus name really meant to push hardware and set the example for all future Android devices? Or was that something that was brought about only because it happened to be the most impressive specs when it was first released?

I might have missed this. Did Google themselves say this is the point of the Nexus branding? Because if they did, then it is a little baffling that they would allow the Nexus S specs to only match (in some cases not even match) the current market of hardware. However, I can't recall them actually saying that about their Nexus branding. Can anyone clarify?
[General Topics] Knedjo:
There's no doubt that PowerVR SGX540 inside Hummingbird is more powerful compared to Adreno 205 inside MSM8255, but I wouldn't say that Adreno 205 is "vastly inferior". Quite contrary! It's very potent, and in OpenGL ES 2.0 surpasses SGX540:

http://androidandme.com/2010/10/news/3dmarkmobile-gpu-showdown-adreno-205-vs-powervr-sgx540/

But it remains to be seen does Gingerbread has significant impact on Hummingbirds performance! IMHO it will, but how much exactly... it's hard to say! Still, Adreno 205 is very good GPU, way better than Adreno 200 inside N1

Well Samsung proved to be very determined player on Android market, capable to do what both Motorola and HTC couldn't - offer a deal to ALL network operators, that they can't refuse, and at the same time provide them with enough supply!

That kind of partner is very important for Google in order to continue Android momentum!

But, problem with Samsung is something that has become their trademark - lack of feeling for the "final touch" :) "Big picture" looks fine, but more detail look revels unbelievable, and illogical flaws! Same story continues with Nexus S... unfortunately!
[General Topics] kronck:
Google specifically stated in multiple interviews that the Nexus One was developed and released to push the envelope and show what the android OS is capable of. - Mission Accomplished.

At this point the reasons for pushing out another phone may not be the same as it was a year ago...they certainly need a continuing developer platform (hardware) as time goes on, however having something top of the line may not be necessary at this point. What would the purpose be for them to utilize a dual core processor? To kill the battery that much faster? Are developers waiting on pins and needles to develop multi-threaded apps? Perhaps they are with games...idk. I recall Google stating that the development of new features is ramping down with android and a lot of the changes we will see in the future will be improving on the user experience, and cosmetics. If that is the case, then perhaps top of the line hardware is not necessary...only the things that they are trying to push...i.e. NFC.

This is true...too bad AT&T is basically excluded in the states due to the Edge issue.
[General Topics] Spl4tt:
remember when google wondered why the N1 didnt sell much?

now I am wondering if the same story repeats again? :)

i already wanted to buy and reserve a slot in the store here for the nexus s, but no, no, no, not that way, never.

i would sacrifice many things for the cool curved display... BUT NOT THE SD CARD SLOT

the ****.. google, what are u doing ;((((((
[General Topics] onthecouchagain:
What I'm worried about is if Samsung will release a second version of the Nexus S with a dual-core. Androidandme's article a few weeks ago (here: http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...ped-new-dual-core-version-already-in-testing/) had this to say:

"Testers with access to the Nexus S have reported seeing two versions of the phone which look fairly similar but the old one is single-core and the new one is dual-core."

It's obvious now that the leaked Best Buy specs from Phandroid last month were more or less true, but is there a dual-core Nexus S floating around out there still in testing perhaps? And if so, will it ever be released? Or was the dual-core actually a Galaxy S2, as rumored by Elder (here: http://twitter.com/#!/eldarmurtazin/status/3774614010335232).

Thoughts?

Edit: Thanks kronck for clarifying about Google and the Nexus branding. I did not know that. Interesting. I think the most baffling thing is the exclusion of HSPA+. It seems all carriers are pushing toward "4G." I can understand holding off on the dual-cores for now, but no 4G capabilities can only be disappointing, especially when you start thinking about the Nexus S into the year 2011. However, the iPhone 4 currently doesn't support 4G either. I have no particular problem with lack of expandable memory, but I can see why that would bother others.
[General Topics] Puddle Jumper:
You have to keep in mind that those benchmarks take into account cpu performance as well and since the Epic is running 2.1 it has a significant handicap in that regard.

Generally the Aderno 205 is considered closer to the PowerVR SGX 530 which the Quake 3 benchmarks run by Anandtech in their TMobile G2 review supports. (sadly I can't post a link)

I agree that the Adreno 205 is a significant improvement over the 200 but I wouldn't go as far as calling it very good yet. I wouldn't be surprised if Tegra 2 makes the SGX 540, much less the Adreno 205 look dated when it launches early next year. After all the one thing Nvidia should be able to pull of is SoC with top of the line gpu performance.

I won't argue that Samsung hasn't executed perfectly in the past however many if their issues are software related. By using stock Gingerbread and working closely with Google they should be able to put out a much more competent product then we have seen from them in teh past.
[General Topics] nathanpc:
Are you kidding me that it doesn't have SD Card slot and no HSPDA+?!?!
[General Topics] Phateless:
Nope, not kidding, it's true. Google around and read the articles for yourself.

Crazy, huh?
[General Topics] Knedjo:
actually I was thinking on hardware issues... Galaxy S has become famous as being "slippery phone"! Obviously Samsung figured out that and made significant change with material and design of side and back Nexus S... at least that's how it appears:

Unfortunately they apparently didn't made any changes on camera :(

But, probably biggest FAIL is lack of SD slot, only 512MB of memory, and unbelievable placement of home/taskman button:

There's no software patch for these FAILs
[General Topics] Phateless:
You know it is possible to remap hardware buttons... I wonder if it's any different for capacitive buttons?
[General Topics] Puddle Jumper:
I hadn't heard about the phones being slippery and I have had a Captivate since launch as well as followed the other US market variants closely.

The lack of a SD slot is stupid but I don't see what so bad about only having 512mb of ram ,aside from the mt4g all of the other high end phones are running 512mb too.

The button placement is different but IMO it makes sense. I use the home and back buttons considerably more than the other two having them on the outside where they are the easiest to hit is nice.
[General Topics] LeviathanPT:
Another stupid thing is giving those blockheads from CPWH exclusive rights for this mobile phone, they wont ship outside the uk.. another fail launch by google.
[General Topics] mayurolla:
The G2 is underclocked at 800 MHz but it will stomp on the first gen snapdragon all day. Look at benchmarks.
[General Topics] a67543210:
It has a Micro SD slot

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1930344/google-launches-nexus-android-23

It has a Micro SD slot
[General Topics] Knedjo:
NOP!

http://dailymobile.se/2010/12/06/android-nexus-s-official-specs/
[General Topics] tekkitan:
I was getting ready to shell out $529 until I read there is no MicroSD expansion. Then read about no HSPA+ support too. Complete design fail. Guess I am waiting till my current contract runs out in May. Maybe a manufacturer will get a phone right by then...
[General Topics] PlankLongBeard:
Honestly, I was so excited. As stated the loss of 4G really killed it for me. No SD slot wasnt a big deal for me cause you can hoccer or dropbox etc.

One thing tho, can gingerbread be hacked as the N1 was for hspa+? I recall it still being stable and full functioning. I really want to give a go, cause I really believe the hspa+ hack can be done as cyan did but I don't want to be stuck on a 3G device. :(

The full fledged fact that its completely unlocked will be the fun out of it. Rooting and etc shouldn't be a hassle but it does seem they took this into a consumer point of view vs the dev view as the N1.

Sent From The Moon... with a HTC Glacier :)
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
Lack of HSPA+ isn't total buzzkill. Maybe it's different for you guys on T-Mobile since your "4G" is always on and doesn't drain any more battery than 3G. On Sprint, WiMax drains a LOT of battery and that's one reason I hardly use it. The other is that I don't really have any use for 4G speeds unless maybe I'm tethering.

Lack of a MicroSD card slot, however, is. Most applications read from the MC, not internal memory. That's why I think internal memory is pointless. I'd rather keep the cost of manufacturing low and bundle a memory card. 16GB of internal memory is a lot, but how many applications support that out of the box? I know DoubleTwist doesn't. What if you want to add memory?

And lastly, I've said it before, but the button layout is random and retarded. I thought, "hmm...maybe it's for left-handed people?". And then I realized that made no sense. It should be HOME - MENU - BACK - SEARCH, or at the very worst, MENU - HOME - BACK - SEARCH like on the Galaxy S phones.

The reason this phone is different from the N1 is because it was built from the Galaxy S as a base, whereas the N1 was built completely from scratch.
[General Topics] fosormic:
Add a poll?

OP: Is it possible for you to add a poll asking who plans to buy a Nexus S to replace their current handset? Curious about the outcome and also some good feedback to the numskulls who spec'd this thing...

(updated my signature, this Nexus S is a major dissappointment :mad:)
[General Topics] youngpic48:
My SGS had accurate gps on 2.1. But when i upgraded to 2.2 thru Kies, i am almost a block away. So it must be software. I bricked my N1!Wtf!
[General Topics] sere83:
Yeah, no sd card slot is appaling. However......I strongly believe now that a pure google experience is the way to go with android.

We all know touch wiz is a joke and Smasung have had issues with GPS and Lag but HTC are not off the hook either.

I used to be a huge fan of HTC but when I actually used a desire HD it all changed. The battery life is inexcusably horrendous, like one of the worst i've seen on an android phone and sense UI is esentially pointless as you cant even use the widgets and extra features because you have to turn of gmail sync, 3g and all widgets to get anywhere near a days use. Absolutely pathetic when they implement all these crazy features and then the bat runs down after about 8 hrs of light use.

The Desire Hd is also still surprisingly Laggy despite a high end cpu and 768MB of Ram, and their multitouch implementation and all the transitions are just weak when compared to an iphone this is unfortunately a sad fact and I hate to say it but makes the device look amateurish next to an iphone 4.

This is why I will be sticking to pure google devices in the future. These OEM overlays are Bullsh*t in my mind, just serve to lagify an already slightly laggy system. Google need to tighten everything up on android, if it is to win over a supperfical iOS loving public because at the moment the visual aspect and particularly UI fluidity and responsiveness is letting them down.

The less custom alterations the OEM partners do the better I say. I would take this over all the past google devices to date. I'm mor e interested in the UI and how well it functions on a day to day basis than the amount of flash memory and 4G. We have yet to see a real strong Android phone yet IMO...
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
I also prefer vanilla Android but if I had to choose only one alternative interface, I'd 100% choose Sense. The reason battery life on the Desire HD is so bad is because it comes with a 1230 mAh battery whereas the Evo comes with a 1500 mAh battery. I get 15 1/2 hours on my Evo with HTC Kernel #17, only using SetCPU to underclock to 245 MHz when the screen goes off. People say it's bad, but those are the people who either haven't rooted their phones or use it 24/7.
[General Topics] Dyonas:
Replied to specific bits because you're clearly not using the Desire HD.

Battery life is an issue with most phones, Desire HD is no different. I get over a day with light use or a day with medium use (I don't call or play music though) and the other day I had 30% battery left at around 36 hours. Sense UI is not pointless, you can use the widgets (I do) and I have google sync, 3G always-on. As mentioned I have gotten 36 hours with battery to spare with this but I am averaging just over 24 hours.

It is? What did you find laggy because the only times I notice lag are after a restart when things are loading into memory (RAM! RAM is memory!) and tiny little bits of menu lag in some circumstances. I don't know what transitions you're referring to short of very basic ones that have no effect on performance for me.

OEM overlays are what has helped push Android onto the wider public. Sense UI is highly regarded by a lot of people and while it isn't for everyone I've always loved it. The added integration it offers beyond the vanilla experience is a bonus and with the Desire HD you also get a far improved copy and paste mechanism. I haven't seen the Samsung Touchwiz overlay but I have read mostly complaints about it. Motoblur I've seen for myself and it seems too bloated for what little it offers.

I'd disagree with that. The Nexus One is a good device, the HTC Desire is a variation on it, the Motorola Milestone / Droid phones were big steps up from what was offered before. Android will mature and probably have a bigger mass market appeal this coming year, more so if tablets come with a user friendly and tablet friendly version.
[General Topics] Dyonas:
To reply to the point raised about the Nexus S and lack of HSPA I'd ask what you're reading because it clearly has it, as pointed out here...

Nexus S page on Google
[General Topics] tiwey:
well that just broke my heart...i was about ready to fork up the $529 to buy it and replace my xperia x10 for something more 'open'

now i'm just dissapointed....well im'ma just wait till we see dual core's, NFC's and flexible AMOLED's on the most high tec phone...i can wait for my contract to expire
[General Topics] blestsol:
I thought the issue was lack of Hspa+? Unless they dont clarify in specs which is which.
[General Topics] Dyonas:
Ah right, that's my mistake then. I see it has the '3.5G' speed and when there's mention of faster I don't see the issue. I get perhaps 2Mb downstream on my DHD with T-Mobile in the UK and that's fine for anything I want to do with it.
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
No, it lacks HSPA+ not HSPA.
[General Topics] Dyonas:
Yup, noted just before your post. Eating my words now, pass the salt.
[General Topics] Anderdroid:
You guys are all *****ing about mostly non-issues.

Lack of Orion? Disappointment.

Lack of HSPA+? Disappointment.

Either way. There's a lot of misinformation here...

Myth #1 - Dual Core eats battery!

WRONG!

Take a look at the netbooks and ultraportables. These new ones with dual core i5 processors and core 2 duos have better battery than the old single core atoms. And perform way faster and more efficiently. Thus said for ALL processors. Dual cores get the work done faster as well, which ALSO leads to saving battery by having more sleep time. Brain, use it.

Myth #2 - Nexus S has No SD card!

WRONG!

It has an INTERNAL SD card. it still will show up as /sdcard/ and can be accessed by apps that require SD cards.

Myth #3 - Samsung GPS issues are all hardware based!

WRONG!

SOME Galaxy S phones have faulty GPS modules inside of them. However, most just have software issues. The latest JK6 leak on my Vibrant locks the GPS within 1.5 seconds. However my friend's Captivate has never locked once, and my girlfriend's Fascinate locks slowly but surely, on Cricket. There are broken ones out there whereas most are merely software.

Myth #4 - HTC has a good track record!

WRONG!

HTC put out over 10 devices that each have completely utterly faulty and hideous touch screens including the Nexus One, Desire, MyTouch 3g, G1, Droid Incredible... This is a MUCH huger issue than some faulty GPS software and RFS. HTC is WAY more of a fail than Samsung due to the multi-touch issues, sorry fanboys!!! If I was Google, I'd be uber pissed at HTC for effing up my Nexus baby's touch screen, which is pretty much the core part of the phone.

Myth #5 - I need more RAM!!!

WRONG!

512MB is plenty for a phone.

Myth #6 - Samsung sucks!

WRONG!

Samsung has made mistakes in regards to RFS and Froyo slowness.

However, the Hummingbird is one mother freaking beast! Swiping through menus and on the home screen is far more fluid and natural on Galaxy S than any other device. Unless you don't have the lagfix installed and there are background apps hogging the RFS. The lagfix is an easy fix, though, that's what these forums are about.

Myth #7 - Super Amoled sux!

Wow, just wow. Kills any device I compare it to.

BTW I own a Nexus One, Droid X, G1, had a G2, etc.

If you have any contrasting opinions please let me know your side I'm glad to hear it. Just make sure you have actually had Galaxy S before dubbing it complete fail.
[General Topics] blestsol:
:confused:The issue I thought everyone was complaining about generally was the lack of external sd card. :confused:
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
You're kidding right? HTC more of a failure than Samsung? *cough cough* Behold II? That's all opinion. If you think all of those phones are fail, you're either a Sammy fanboy or you have some unrealistic standards.

Super AMOLED over-saturates colors. In terms of clarity, yes, it's good (except for that it's useless in sunlight). In terms of color accuracy? Completely inaccurate. Once again, opinion.

"BTW I own a Nexus One, Droid X, G1, had G2, etc."

Please elaborate on "etc".
[General Topics] ccb04:
@Anderdroid

Lol..This guy made me laugh. Talking about who's *****ing and he's making a retarded list of ****. My friend has a Galaxy S and even he admitted my G2 is the ****. Overclocked of course. I'm just happy this plastic samsung phone is coming out so I can port 2.3 :o
[General Topics] vetvito:
Minus the EVO, 2010 has been a year of let Downs in the smartphone world.
[General Topics] Snuuuuupy:
Oh god.

Seriously? No external SD card?

Mobile Crunch has made an article about this. (Read: mobilecrunch.com/2010/12/06/surprise-the-nexus-s-has-no-microsd-slot-do-you-care/?replytocom=505230#comment-505247 ) - Can't post links yet

This sucks. Especially the HSPA+.

Radios gone too. (Can it be gone if it wasn't ever there?)
[General Topics] Phateless:
Will try to add now.
[General Topics] gogol:
Please help me here.

If there is no external SD card, is it true that there will be no FILE MANAGER?

Then it is not possible to side load, copy files?

That's the no. 1 deal breaker for me. I really like my HTC Desire because I can use it as external USB drive.

If Nexus S cannot be used as external USB drive because of that missing SD card slot, what would be our option to have file access level / file manager?

Some apps are not available via Market and we need to side load it.

Please please someone who know, enlighten me, give me some good news :)
[General Topics] suhas_sm:
Lol thats too much of worrying. Just say they have given an internal storage which u can use as normal drive. but just not replace it with ur choice of storage :P
[General Topics] gogol:
Here is from the Android 2.3 User Guide page 48:

http://www.google.com/googlephone/AndroidUsersGuide-2.3.pdf

So? This phone has only internal memory (storage). We cannot use this Nexus Shit as external USB drive?

Note: Hey, I invented a new name for this phone:

Nexus Shit
[General Topics] suhas_sm:
read page 67 of that pdf :) Connecting to a computer via USB :)

may a gb or two wont be accessible.