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[Desire HD General] noobdeagle:
i think you will find its not something major for example the dev android tablet is a motrola one which was demoed the other day, i think you will find android is spreading its dev devices over the differnt manufacturers and not favoriting manufacturers.

i guess it kinda highlets their openness ?
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
yes i agree they can't favor a manufacturer
[Desire HD General] Andy:
Samsung is a more widely known manufacturer. Its only recently that HTC started selling devices under the HTC brand name. Most would end up as a carrier branded handset.
[Desire HD General] :
will DHD also get the gingerbread upgrade?
[Desire HD General] vansmuk:
Feel free to use it however you like, my friend :)

"contrast" is essentially deeper blacks and brighter whites so nothing is left out :)
[Desire HD General] DarkVasyaK:
thanks for the answers, but where is it possible to buy Desire HD offline in UK? ;)
[Desire HD General] Rixsta:
Yes it will.
[Desire HD General] Aamir.Badat:
Of course it will DHD is a top end Android mobile.
[Desire HD General] HoundDK:
Well..

Personally I'm somewhat disapointed with the DHD. I upgraded from an HTC Hero and expected more from the DHD that it currently deliveres. Feels somewhat unfinished IMO.

I'm compiling a list before I send it in for service.

So far I found the following issues belived to be errors (IMO):

- Adress found with search in car panel fails in Google navigation

- Bluetooth is slow to connect and sometimes only connection with half the desired profile (either HS or A2DP). Half the times it's okay though.

- Lag problem (I tried the USB fix - reduced lags but doesn't work 100% for me)

- Google navi will w/o in an active call (dunno what happened here since it worked perfectly on the hero).

Apart from this I found a few undesirable issues:

- I love the big screen but the device is a bit too big and I have a hard time operating it with one hand only

- On/off and volume up/down are almost perfectly flush with the device itself. Looks nice but it's difficult to operate without looking at it.

- No dedicated camera button

- Speaker performance way to low and pictcy

- Google Premium Navigavion cannot be actived directly from the phonebook

Expect for the Google navigation issue I know about most issues, but I do find that they annoy me in daily use.

This being a flagship device I expected more from HTC. I hope Google aims higher anything carrying their own brand, so I would wait it out try out the new Nexus.
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
For all of you planning to get the Nexus S because of it's "superior" screen technology: http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-google-nexus-s-to-swap-the-superamoled-screen-for-a-super-clear-lcd-in-the-russian-market/

Wait! I think I'm having a deja-vu :D... and they haven't even started selling the thing.
[Desire HD General] dr.m0x:
Yeah someone next year after they rework the sense overlay onto Gingerbread.

Sent from Cyanogenmod for Desire HD
[Desire HD General] RobTheRover:
Any of London's billions of mobile phone stores will be more than happy to sell you a DHD, mate. Mine came from Phones4u.

RTR
[Desire HD General] tvoben:
Just ordered mine

Hi.. Just placed my order for the Desire HD.. Was going to get the Nexus S, but fiqure i would rather wait for Sense update or install custom Romm rather than have plastic hardware & direct updates..

Hopefully i wont be disappointed.. My first Android phone, have Iphone 3Gs right now..
[Desire HD General] Aamir.Badat:
Nexus S is only on pre order with a £549 price tag I'd rather get a DHD with micro SD slot. ;)
[Desire HD General] JamesBarnes:
I dont know what it is about samsung devices, but aesthetically they just dont do it for me. I find them really ugly, which is a shame because hardware wise they are very tasty!

I do like the idea of NFC, but i dont think it is at all a necessity yet as the technology has to mature, one to look out for though.

Going from the support that the Nexus 1 has had, the Nexus S is the one to go for if you value having the latest and greatest software wise.

But when you hold a DHD it feels like its made of solid granite, its a brick. I love it.
[Desire HD General] chowdarygm:
waited till now for Nexus S and its a disappointment, so went to mall yesterday, picked up Desire HD and now i am so happy... its awesome...
[Desire HD General] haruryu:
I tried the SGS, i wasnt much happy about it, especially with the lag issue. I always had a HTC, so i tried once a different phone, my gooddd i will never let HTC go :P

see my signature hehe., and yes, DHD has better specs...

but of course everyone his own opinion :D
[Desire HD General] letom:
The desire HD really is a power house. I got my phone morning before the announcement and thought I'd made a mistake, but I didn't. The Desire HD is crazy awesome, everyone around me just wants to touch it. I didn't have init bug but I still use the fix and wow this phone is very quick, hasn't slowed down at all. Nexus S isn't enough of a jump to forgo a 4"3 screen.
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
lower neocore scores on the Nexus S

i know neocore is made by qualcom but still found this interesting, also its confirmed in the review the Nexus only shoots video in D1 resolution 720 x 480

http://hi-tech.mail.ru/review/misc/Google_Nexus_S-rev.html
[Desire HD General] MaybachMan:
Same here :)
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
by the way i think the samsung guy made a mistake stating 90million triangles for galaxy S performance, all the sites reviewing the nexus S are quoting this figure

. SGX530 (14 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/s@200 MHz) iphone 3Gs

. SGX535 (28 MPolys/s, 1Gpx/s@200 MHz) iphone 4

. SGX540 (35 MPolys/s, 1Gpx/s@200 MHz) galaxy S

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PowerVR_products

adreno 205 - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration

http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html#

if we convert these values to triangles, SGX535 should give 37million triangles per second and the SGX540 should gives 46million triangles

this makes more sense of the galaxy S/nexus S benchmark results and the DHD performance we are getting, 90 million triangles is seriously inflated
[Desire HD General] jordanprudent:
Im going for DHD not only because i have one but looking at the specs between the 2 there isn't much in it. The price of the Nexus S outways i-phone 4 which is bad enough. High camera specs, 2nd gen processor on the DHD gets my vote, htc sense aswell as the excellent build quality, the nexus s might have full google support but in the long run i'd rather stick with the big bad dhd ( despite only the semi root being avaidable ) .

Jordan
[Desire HD General] Andy:
Who told you only semi root is available? We've had full root for a while.
[Desire HD General] INeedYourHelp:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3967/the-tmobile-g2-preview/4

The neocore is a lousy benchmark. The g2 has the exact same gpu has the dhd (only difference is cpu, 200mhz lower for g2).
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
yes but i thought the snapdragon GPU is locked to the CPU speed, 200mhz less means less performance out of the same GPU, somebody correct me if i'm wrong
[Desire HD General] alex9898:
performance of the G2 are not the same as the DHD.

According to the preview that you posted, the G2 gets the following scores :

- 6907ms to sunspider 0.9

- 30977 to Rightware BrowserMark

- and 29,877 to Linpack

My DHD gets the following :

- 4970ms to SunSpider

- 40308 to Rightware BrowserMark

- and 40.035 to Linpack

So my DHD is a lot more powerfull than the G2 and better than any other phone in this Preview.

I haven't Quake 3 to check but in accordance with previous scores,we can think that the DHD should do much better than the G2.

PS : sorry for my english

PS : If the DHD performs like the G2 in this preview, that means that it's inferior to the Nexus One in terms of CPU performances.
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
just like neocore is optimised for adreno GPUs, quake 3 to droid was optimised for powerVR SGX found in motorola droids and galaxy S phones

so yeah one benchmark can't prove much, in the end it will depends on optimisation

i posted triangle numbers in the previous page

the Desire HD GPU 3D performance is a little stronger than the iphone 4 GPU and a little less than the Galaxy S gpu, the difference between each is 10%

iphone 4 80% < desire HD 90% < galaxy S 100%

on the other hand the DHD cpu is revised and what we need here is quadrant benchmarks to compare, running on the same OS version so this wont be soon

plus the DHD cpu can turbo up to 1.5GHz without a sweat if your rooted

the Desire HD GPU also has 2D open VG acceleration, i dont know about the galaxy S
[Desire HD General] alex9898:
the Nexus S performs a 14MFlops to Linpack. it's the same score as the SGS running Android 2.2.

It's not really good for the Nexus S : same performances as the SGS but fewer fonctionality for a higher price...
[Desire HD General] ll_l_x_l_ll:
honestly. anyone who trade his galaxy S over Nexus S needs to get hit in the head.

this is like trading Desire to Nexus so he can get teh " pure google expierience "

or vise versa trading nexus one to desire for the extra ram.

be smart people and stop wasting money to those companies . they are pretty much doing nothing but trying to rape us .

cant be said the same regarding nexus s and desire HD. as i would take desire HD any time over nexus S

1.5 more Ram.

bigger screen.

not stupid plastic cover.

HTC sense on top of it.

i really think that DHD is still the king of Android phones till LG star hits the market early next year with its duel core and tegra 2 graphics card.

and even then i will wait for performance test before i think of buying an LG product

and this is coming from someone who doesnt own Desire HD even :/
[Desire HD General] dario3040:
omg....

Im not hating on the Desire HD but simply the Nexus S is better specced.

The processor is custom made so it needs less instructions to do the same task, which makes it a little bit faster than the Desire HD, and it can also be overclocked to 1,5 GHz now.

The gpu isnt 10 % stronger, its more around 80 % stronger, and its weaker than the iphone 4 gpu.

yes it has less ram but its ddr2 ram which is faster and more effecient.

It also has the Super Amoled screen which has kinda infinite viewing angle, and much better and vibrant colors, it alos saves power when viewing black colors.

The Nexus S also comes with GingerBread which looks better and performs better (nothing serious, benchmarks are still valid).

The camera isnt 8 Megapixels, but the sensor works better in low light situations and takes better pictures with less noice and distortions, also it only has 1 led on the back (Desire HD has 2).

It feels cheaper in the hand but is very well made and is a pleasure holding.

it also has noice cancellation, im not sure if the Desire HD has that.

And it has a gyroscope inside for more accurate controls in games, its display also has a higher refresh rate which makes it flow better with less ghosting.

Its also a developers phone without any bootloader restrictions and stuff.

It has some of the best audio hardware on the market but i dont think it can match up with the Desire HD's SRS sound.

Its screen is also a tad more responive since the touch sensor is built into the display itself.

Just my 2 cents :)

Hope nobody gets offended
[Desire HD General] :
We are not offended at all because what you have wrote is not factual at all. The funniest bit of your post was that the Samsung nexus S graphics is 80 percent better, lol... I have a desire HD and I also owned a NS the graphics on the HD runs so much smoother. The NS is the prettiest phone ever but it will never compare in any fashion to the massive specs of the Desire HD. Also what made me laugh about your post was you said the Nexus S has better specs, sorry but the NS has 512mb ram, lose... 5 MP camera, lose, no 720p, lose, single led flash, lose, HD processor can be overclocked to 1.8ghz, lose... so tell me dude, what does the NS beat the HD on other than its black coal looks...????

JD

Sent from my Desire HD with Extra Droid Power.....
[Desire HD General] :
Spec-wise the HD beats the Nexus S in every department... That's just a plain fact... The only thing some people may say is better, is the NS screen. But AMOLED vs LCD is a contentious issue, as LCD has its benefits too. Please some one tell me where the Nexus S outspecs the desire HD because I can't find a thing, really.....

JD

Sent from my Desire HD with Extra Droid Power.....
[Desire HD General] kurolife:
Sorry mate the Nexus S has the same hummingbird as the SGS and the prove is that you get the same score in every CPU benchmark you have out there, while for the desire HD you can see the optimisation done to the scorpio, the improvement are quite noticeable.

Now add to that more ram and you'll understand that the DHD is king when it comes to brute power!

The GPU on the nexus is slightly and i really mean slightly faster than the adreno 205, where as the SGX540 is faster in 3D the Adreno205 seems to be faster in terms of 2D(software optimisation?)

But i say the ram and cpu make up for the GPU and even more.

As for built quality well .... we all know the result...

But here where it gets intersting, the nexus S fort is Gingerbread , and how it is optimised to the hardware, despite no major difference between Ginger and froyo the nexus S rapes google apps such as navigation or google earth where the desire HD behave well but noticeably slower than the Nexus S and this is a point to consider.

I believe the king of Android smartphones is still the desire HD in terms of hardware specs (not gonna last for long tho) but the nexus S wins in terms of software (out of the box and for now) so for now they are about equal but once th desire HD gets Gingerbread it will be for sure DHD >> NS
[Desire HD General] :
Agree, akin to my posts previous... This guys comments are without substance or factual foundations... Desire HD is still for the moment Androids flagship phone;) Until this new Samsung beast arrives... I think we are gonna see something special at MWC;)

JD

Sent from my Desire HD with Extra Droid Power.....
[Desire HD General] dario3040:
I can't belive you people are stupid :P

The Nexus S has ddr2 ram which allows it to get a higher bandwith than the desire hd and more polygons.

The screen is far superior on the Nexus S, Super Amoled is really good :)

The extra ram can't make up for the fact that its slower.e

The processor also has optimizations that make it 10% faster than the Desire HD.

Also, yes the Desire HD can get up to 1.8 or maybe higher, but performance wise, even in quadrant it gets beaten.

Its a far superior device when it comes to hardware and software, and i don't want a 1 kg phone in my pocket that cant even be operated with one hand.

The desire hd is an overhyped piece of ****. and maybe it will get Gingerbread, but then the nexus s will already have Android Icecream Sandwich :3
[Desire HD General] wbbigdave:
Wow where did this troll come from...HAHAHAHAHAAA
[Desire HD General] :
Dont know,

Lets hope he stay's away;)

The funniest thing was the piece of **** comment... The Nexus S is outspec'ed by the Desire HD on EVERYTHING except for the screen, which is also a matter open for debate. SAMOLED gives mega headaches and has an oversaturated feel. Good luck with that dude... Also feel free to back up your quadrant claims, The Desire HD 2nd generation snapdragon beats the 1st generation Hummingbird hands down. I had a Nexus S, Sold it for a HD and never looked back. Nexus S feels unfinished and IS NOT OPTIMISED whatsoever.. Speedwise the HD floors it big time, and the choice of sense or stock is lovely;) Pity the Nexus S does not have that choice,

But hey, dont be too downhearted, you may have touchwiz ported;) hahahahha DHD FTW!!!!!

JD
[Desire HD General] AndroHero:
nice bit of cut and pasting there pal, but the arm cortex based omap cpu in the nexus s is based on a much slower arm cpu than the one in the DHD :rolleyes:
[Desire HD General] darkenedhammer:
Same here.

literally today swapped my Nexus S, which was an arse to root in the first place which I then had to unroot and put back to stock, for a Desire HD :)

I had a Desire back in the day and it was lovely, the HD Version is drop dead gorgeous and took all of 15 mins to root and get back up and running again

I have to admit I've never been happier and the quote above is 100% true

Dan
[Desire HD General] htc fan89:
Desire HD does have super LCD display, its mentioned on the telus website. Just in case no one mentioned it.
[Desire HD General] Aamir.Badat:
Yes it has S-LCD

But in the end the DHD is the best at the moment the Nexus S lives in the shadow of this device :D
[Desire HD General] dr.m0x:
Honestly can't see much advantage to gingerbread except the improved copy paste and sense roms have that anyway.

The only area in which I think Nexus S is superior to Desire HD is the battery and even then you still want to be changing it every night if you don't want to run the risk of going flat the next day.

Someone Swyped my idea.
[Desire HD General] Aamir.Badat:
true plus the sense camera is better than the nexus s and i need the camera so the default android camera is a no go :)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
So I was running 2.1 Fusion and I installed Voodoo via OCLF and I then tried flashing over it without disabling voodooo. However, I am able to get into cwm and i flashed a voodoo-disable.zip i keep handy in there, no help.

My phone won't reboot, I've ODIN'd and I get an error saying "WIPE DATA FAILED" in big red letters, it shows the S bootup animation however it doesn't fully bootup. I can access Download mode and CWM recovery menus but I can't restore anything it just doesn't boot up... What should I do??? I NEED to use my phone!!!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
Helpppppp!!!!11
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaynesaw:
Do you have adb installed?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
nooo i don't....
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
ANYBODY??? What would re-partition do if i set it on ODIN?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GTO777:
Yea repartition, use this odin image also. Worked good for me.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
I checked Repartition with another odin image I found, it's the one i've always used and it always works, and it still doesn't boot... i have the bottom four buttons lighting up but that's it, nothing booots :( :(
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
I odind that image from your link but it takes me into recovery and there it says cannot verify whole-signature and i still can't reboot...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] itskohler:
well if you cant get it to work in ODIN, neither will Samsung most likely. Hope you have insurance ;) IM KIDDING!

What ports is it?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
I'm not sure what you mean http://media.xda-developers.com/images/smilies/frown.gif but I'm coming from Fusion 2.1 on Galaxy S vibrant...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
Whenever I try to odin with that 2.2 image it says cannot in stall update.zip (because i have taken out my sd card) HELP!!!! :( fmlllll
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
So i tried the odin 2.2 image with my sd card in and i checked re-partition and it goes to the recovery where it gives me this:

E: Can't mount /dev/block/mmcblk0p2

(Invalid argument)

E: copy_data_default_apk: Can't mount DBDATA:\\E: failed to open/mnt/internal_sd?update.zip

(No such file or directory)

E: signature verification failed

installation aborted

how i do fix my baby????
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
My p hone boots to the point where the colorful S appears but then it blinks a few seconds and goes black, and i can't turn the phone back on...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
No one can save my ass :(
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iynfynity:
you can't turn it anymore? even when charging?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
No... My phone can turn on, get into recovery and get into download mode, but whenever I odin it boots up the S animation then just goes to a black screen. I can't access cwm recovery because i don't have the update.zip, how can I push a ROM to my sd card using ADB, because that's what I think I'll have to do....
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xtone:
have you tried flashing froyo that doesnt brick?

as long there's ODIN and the never failing download mode, vibrant will always comeback from a brick.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iynfynity:
as long as it's turning on you will be able to fix it. Try to download another stock .tar file then use a pit file. if not try Eugene's Froyo that doesn't brick that wipes everything.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
Im coming from a 2.1 build can i still dl the froyo that doesn't brick? Even if I don't have ADB, or the cwm or update.zip on my internal sd card?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] robertd0619:
Sell it to me...just kidding...try to download a 2.1 image file.,maybe that'll work.

Edit: search for the mirror file thread on the development section. Scroll down to the odin section and d/l the newest 2.1 leak img file. Try to flash that with odin. They have the latest update.zip over there that you can d/l.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
Tried odining froyo that doesn't brick and no luck, it says can't mount /dev/block/mmcblk0p1

and can't mount SDCARD:

"your storage not prepared yet. please use UI menu for format and reboot actions

copy default media content failed."
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xtone:
yea use ODIN to flash that. then use command prompt, adb reboot.

after that you can ODIN back to JFD/JI6 or 2.2
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xtone:
use adb to remount, then try again.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
Currently in the midst of downloading the entire SDK package, then setting it up then I'll reboot. Hope this works!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xtone:
good luck and let me know how it goes :)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
I AM A ****ING BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't use ADB but I took out my sim and put into my computer, read up on ext4, and reset my paritions manually. Let's go baby, I AM UNBRICKED :)
[G Tablet General] slopokdave:
I just got mine today and I have been looking at the threads but cannot make odds as to what to do to get TnT Lite on this for example. I have a rooted Evo so I'm used to this stuff. Is this correct?

1. Side-load root program from market?

2. Install clockwork recovery?

3. Flash TnT Lite

Thats it?

Thanks!
[G Tablet General] P_6:
Root comes with the custom Rom, so you can skip step 1. Just load Clockwork .8 with the instructions in the post. Then on to TnT Lite.
[G Tablet General] HKChad:
Make sure everything works first, wifi, sound, screen, etc you might have to swap it out for one that's not messed up to start out with, mine was (no wifi range).
[G Tablet General] slopokdave:
I played with it for about 10mins earlier before putting it on the charger. All seemed good, except the browser crashed within the 2nd site. lol..

I'm not sure if I am keeping it though. There are no to demo, and none with the ROMS in the store of course, so... 30 day return policy, I'm a fan.

How else do they expect people to try tablets? They are a "brand new thing" (well, a year or so old...)
[G Tablet General] rothnic:
Check the FAQ in the top of this forum category.

Also, tegratab.com wiki.
[G Tablet General] GenBlood:
I would first install clockworks mod. 08 and then make a back up of in case you want to reload the original Roman image. The tnt lite 2.2.0 is good. Also,don't forget to install adobe flash too.

An reading up on what apps that work and the ones that don't.... :D