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[EVO 4G General] Freelancerx:
thats the gist of it. the iphone4 has a superior camera, the camera is equal when it comes to daylight shots or in a situation where lighting is very good, but as soon as your in a low light situation the iphone4's camera is a billion times better.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
In reality the Evo has a better camera, the difference is storage. For the Evo to be able to record HD on to a class 2 memory card they had to compress the hell out of it, thats why it looks so bad. If they would have ponied up the money to ship class 6 cards with the phones then it would be just as good if not better than the iPhones.
[EVO 4G General] catseyenu:
Any way to get around the compression issue?
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
Thread on it is here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=711808

The evo and iphone4's cameras are both made by the same company, the only difference is the evo's is 8 megapixel while the iphones is only 5.
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
I would also say the software has something to do with it. I played with a Droid X at a Verizon store a while back, and the camera seemed to be very reactive to you pressing the shutter button. I think the Evo takes GREAT pics, but it takes a while to focus and if you try to take a pic of something that is in movement, you usually get a heavy blur effect.

The the OP, I also think the screen is why the pics look different. Try taking the same pics and sending them both to an email address where you view both of them on the same screen. That way, you can make a better comparison of the quality of the actual pics themselves.
[EVO 4G General] lostnfound53:
I find that even with brightness turned to -3 and shooting from 6 feet away, the flash will over-expose the subject that I am trying to shoot.
[EVO 4G General] anthonyandrews:
I find that the flash pretty much useless on my EVO, unless my intent is annoy someone with a bright flash of light....i wish that the flash was adjustable. I am sure it is possible, just try the FLASHLIGHT app, where the brightness can be changed...
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
iPhone loves saturation. Turn saturation up on your phone in ideal lighting and you will have almost identical pictures.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
The iPhone 4 has infinitely better low light performance. I know from experience. If you have access to both, shoot a photo without flash in a low light area - you'll see that the iPhone 4 is better.
[EVO 4G General] smkcbs10:
I too have struggled with the EVO camera and as someone who desperately wants a decent quality smart phone camera so I don't have to carry a dig cam around, was frustrated. Although, saturation, compression , etc. are significant issues...I've had good results with adjusting white balance and ISO. I know, it's a pain to constantly adjust but the EVO's auto settings for the camera do a terrible job. Change white balance to the corresponding environment and pics come out better (incandescent for reg light bulbs, fluorescent for, well fluorescent, you get the picture) and I usually have ISO at 100. I also usually have contrast, saturation, and sharpness at +1.

The flash is a whole other issue...only use in the dark at 10 feet away.

Just my two cents.
[EVO 4G General] supdawg:
EVO's camera sucks. IMO, it's software related. I just wish for once, these companies would spend more time with the cameras instead of just throwing them in as matter of facts.
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
the camera is the manufacturer just higher megapixels. the difference is software
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Explain the better low light performance then? Have specific parts numbers for each sensor? And what makes you think that just because they use the same manufacturer that their isn't a difference in quality.

If I were to guess HTC choose a model with a higher MP count and Apple choose a model with a lower MP count but with a better sensor. They built the two phones around the same time so that's the most logical explanation.
[EVO 4G General] xviiivx:
If you're complaining about the evo's camera, you just aren't doing it right. J/k... but turning off face recognition and auto focus (and manually focusing by clicking the screen) makes a huuuuuge difference. My evo pics are in the same ballpark as my friend's 12mp sony camera.
[EVO 4G General] donatom3:
This has been discussed quite a bit on multiple forums, so I'm not going to lookup the part numbers, but they are both from omnivision. Both cameras are from the same line just different resolution. Since they are the same size the iPhone 4's has a slightly larger pixel size which helps with low light performance, that is a small bit of the performance difference. The main difference is the software and like what was said before that video had to be compressed because of the write speed of class 2 sd vs nand flash.
[EVO 4G General] supdawg:
quality = sensor size/megapixels.

Same size senosor will take higher quality photos at lower resolutions.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
Same quality sensor, it's all software and possibly optics. The IR and UV filters are what kill cell phone cameras.

If you look up the manufacturers product line they have a hq 8mp but not one for 5.
[EVO 4G General] nolageek:
^ This. ^

+1
[EVO 4G General] catseyenu:
Thanks for the link!
[EVO 4G General] Foxtarium:
Here is a comparison with my Evo and a friend's Iphone 4. We thought we would compare the two identical photos on a regular PC monitor, and here are the results.

Iphone 4

*ttp://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs965.snc4/75879_1705655447360_1417239746_1817424_5186362_n.jpg

Evo

*ttp://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs595.ash2/154732_1705657727417_1417239746_1817429_2039425_n.jpg

<sigh> :(

*These are legitimate images, the system won't let me post the photos proper until I have a few more posts under my belt.*
[EVO 4G General] Visionikz03:
The quality of the evo hardware itself is the same if not better than the iphone if u consider the extra 3 mp to make that big of a difference but where the evo struggles is the somewat crappy software that controls the camera... vignette from the market definitely helps alot but all camera softwares have the same basic controls which if understood what they do can make a huge difference in image quality... for example to circumvent the overexposure with flash in low light, try turning down the ISO to 200 or 400 which changes the amount of light allowed into the exposure... that and turning down the brightness of the screen in the app helps significantly... also keep in mind that the iphone has a "retina" display( spoken in that annoying iphone commercial guys voice) so it will render even crappy images better because of the richness and vibrancy of the screen.
[EVO 4G General] Mitch Matrixx:
I'm not trying to hijack, or bump my own tired (almost dead) thread, but I hit on this issue months ago.

My hopes were that while development still seemed rather strong during the summertime that devs would step up and help us out in the struggling software department.

I would be more than happy to upgrade my sd card if it was contingent on the software upgrade, but I think HTC should rewrite the software, and give all Evo owners class 6 or better cards. Ha.

Also, more MP doesn't really mean much if the sensor isn't compensating in low light scenarios, and if the cam is using such bad compression as the Evo. As another person stated, the Evo seems to take great pics when it's sunny etc., but even then there is lots of noise in the background of the pic.

One thing Apple marketed with iphone 4 was its good low light capture, as backed up on the Omnivision website.

I will say this in HTC's defense, the pic and video quality has certainly improved since the release, but there's much work to be done to get this phone to the respectable levels of the iphone.

My thread seemed to gain lots of positive interest, but no results.:confused:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=782211
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
the evo camera is fine by me. im sick of every phone being compared to the iphone. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] Max_Pain:
well i've never had an iphone...but i'm assuming the comparisons are because the iphone's camera is supposed to be exceptionally good.

for my part I found myself very disappointed with the performance of the evo's camera:( using Vignette rather than the default camera app the images are a little better but then they take forever to process:rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] Nefariouss:
My wifes iphone4 takes the same crappy indoor/lowlight pictures as my evo
[EVO 4G General] davethedrummer84:
Dont laugh but..

Ok first off I can explain this alittle more. I currently work at Apple and actually own an Evo lol....I love my Evo but the reality is the camera is better on the Iphone go to youtube and look at actual footage taken from the two and you will see the Iphone has better picture clarity. Megapixels arent everything, Its about the lens and htc is known for using lower quality lenses. Im not bashing the Evo just because I work at Apple to be honest I love my Evo more then the Iphone. Its true if you put the two cameras in good lighting you wont see a ton of difference. In most cases though the Iphone just takes better quality pics.Its def not the screen yes the Iphone does have a higher resolution but even when you pull the video off the phone and watch it on a computer there is still a difference.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Who cares. Buy a DSLR you fanatics!
[EVO 4G General] chandlerw88:
I can't afford a dslr. I just want to take descent low light photos. The flash on our cameras is entirely too bright were more than capable of taking decent photos.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
You can afford a $500 phone but not a $500 Dslr?

Or is it because you don't think its worth $500?

Which I understand....
[EVO 4G General] chandlerw88:
Haha got the phone for free after selling my hd2. So I paid no where near 500. But definately don't need a dslr for pics of my nephew. That's why I figured my camera on the phone would be sufficient which it is in the right lighting. I just don't understand the need for such a heavy flash
[EVO 4G General] ron87:
Exactly. Every time a phone comes out its compared to the iphone as if its GOD. The iphone has its flaws too.
[EVO 4G General] nolageek:
Yeah, because I can fit a $1000 ($500???) dSLR in my pocket.
[EVO 4G General] DraginMagik:
... not looking for dslr quality. not wanting to carry a bulky device. not willing to spend the money. didn't spend $500 for my EVO. would like better pics from my EVO. it's sad that it's unable to deal with motion and low light situations very well. if its a well lit room and everyone is just sitting around the table...the EVO takes great pics.
[EVO 4G General] Max_Pain:
Thats how I feel. I have a Canon G11 now and had $5000 worth of photography equipment before. But I did pay $500 for my phone...and I want it to take better pictures than my $250 Samsung Code did...without a flash!

Swyped from my HTC Evo 4G on the MetroPCS 1X network!
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I'm probably going to get flamed for this but whatever.

I think a big issue is that it's hard for OEMs to get away with putting a lower MP camera on highend/flagship Android phones. Apple on the other hand could stick a 5 MP camera on next year's iPhone 5 but vastly improve the sensor to shoot better quality photos/video and people would have no choice but to accept it because there's just one choice. And to be honest, most people wouldn't even be screaming since a larger proportion of iPhone users have the expectation that Apple hardware "just works" and don't bother with the numbers. Android on the other hand doesn't have that same expectation (Samsung anyone?) and a larger proportion of Android users are [quasi] geeks who just want higher specs - unless of course you know better.

So HTC would rather market a 10 MP Android phone next year with a worse sensor than a improved 5 or 8 MP sensor - and we'll continue to get a similar thread next year.
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
i think its more the software that operates the camera than anything. I think someone mentioned that they are using the same camera as the iphone, but their software for the camera app is further along in its lifeline thus better pictures etc.
[EVO 4G General] akarol:
From a photographer's perspective: The camera's MP means almost nothing. It comes down to the quality of the lens, lighting, and processing. Just because the EVO has an 8MP camera compared to the iPhone's 5MP does not mean that we should expect better pictures. I'm sure Apple has spent a lot more time and money on the other components.
[EVO 4G General] Neo3D:
I also did test pix with iPhone 4 and Evo.

The iPhone turns up saturation and contrast by default and you can't change that setting. The Evo is set to neutral but you can change pictures settings to your liking. It's called, "having a choice." :)
[EVO 4G General] Neo3D:
Both iPhone 4 and Evo use cameras from the same company. Someone posted a PDF about this on here.
[EVO 4G General] Neo3D:
I just took this picture with my Evo:

Here are the settings I used for this pic:

BRIGHTNESS: 0

CONTRAST: 0

SATURATION: +2

SHARPNESS: -2

EFFECT: None

WHITE BALANCE: Auto

ISO: 100

METERING MODE: Average

How's it look? If you look close, you can see the reflection of the Evo in the red ball! ;)
[EVO 4G General] Mactagonist:
The Evo definitely does not use the same sensor as the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 takes better pictures because it has a better camera, simple as that.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/sizing-up-the-iphone-4-for-shutterbugs.ars
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
Im thinking false... They are from the same company but the evo has the 8mp version while the iphone had the 5mp. Its all in the codecs and optics
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
That's the thing, you think. I've yet to find ANY conclusive evidence that they are the same sensor - and I looked up various tear downs, the sensors aren't labeled. So yes, they are from the same company but that says nothing about the individual components. So here comes the common sense: The EVO 4G and iPhone 4 were released at basically the same time. They both had the same tech available, they even used the same OEM for the sensor, so why did Apple choose the 5MP sensor? Just because? A company as perfectionist as Apple would have only choose the 5MP sensor over the 8MP sensor for one reason: the smaller sensor preformed better.

I have both and the distortion/noise in the EVO is worse. My guess is hardware. Either way it doesn't matter, Apple made better decisions in whatever cause the iPhone 4's camera to be better.
[EVO 4G General] evohog:
Try comparing photos from the two and do it on a laptop. Its our screen difference, all the comparisons are done with the phones side by side. Iphone screen is better but the rest of the phone SUCKS!!!!
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Really you want to start this? First, keep thinking that. The photo's look better in whatever screen you use.

...and that's all that's better? Let's see: both CPUs are Cortex A8's but the iPhone's is 20nm smaller and thus more energy efficient. The PowerVR SGX 535 GPU in the iPhone 4 is about twice as fast as the Adreno 200 in the EVO which just plain sucks. The iPhone 4 can come preloaded with 32GB of storage, the EVO has 1GB of internal storage and up to 32GB via micro SD but that doesn't change the fact that only about 250 MB of internal memory is available for main app storage. Froyo's move to SD feature only moves some app data to the SD card, most of the time about only 1/3 of the total app size, so eventually you'll run out of internal storage. The iPhone 4 on the other hand stores 1GB+ apps without a problem - why do you think games are better? The IPS display looks better (viewing angles, color), has a higher color depth, and a higher resolution. The EVO is plastic, the iPhone 4 is aluminum and glass. The cameras both on the back and especially front are better.

Bottom line is that fanboys need to keep quiet. I freely enjoy both; comments like yours just show insecurity -- and to a phone? ...what is that about?

...and notice how I pointed out specifics and not general comments like OMG it sucks!1!!
[EVO 4G General] Skeptron:
the iphone4 just have better camera lens.. as a photography hobbyist, megapixels dont mean ****..
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
And for those who dont know, the camera app on cyanogenmod is as good or better than the iphone app.
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
Apple always takes older hardware no matter what always so that's not even a good assumption.

Well apple used a dual core ..1.6 Ghz CPU in their thousand dollar netbook it must perfrom better than a i3 or i5???????
[EVO 4G General] evohog:
Sounds like you'd be the fan boy. To take me making a small and simple smartass Comment and turning it into this is ridiculous. I've compared the picks myself and I don't see the big difference that you see with the phones side by side. So in other words calm down and rub your iphone so you feel a little better, and thanks for giving me a laugh with factual banter my good sir.
[EVO 4G General] CCallahan:
Let's be realistic. We talk about how it sucks that everything is compared to the Iphone but we are just as guilty. This thread is a prime example.

Instead of this why not get back to what this thread was started for? The want for EVO pictures to be better than they are. I don't have an Iphone so could care less what the picture quality of that phone is. If it is better, than great. Doesn't help the picture quality on my EVO.

Also, what phone takes the absolute best pictures? I mean supreme, top notch, best of all phones ever pictures? Iphone? If it isn't, than us EVO owners need to compare to absolute best or better yet, just concentrate on getting the best pics we can from our phone using what methods are available.
[EVO 4G General] Mactagonist:
Well, it just isn't.

This is the iPhone 4 camera: http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=65

This is the evo camera: http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=61

The ov5642 is more advanced then the ov8810.
[EVO 4G General] liverstealerJobs:
Yes, that dude takes the cake. Insufferably humorless. Can't get over himself.
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
Winner winner chicken dinner haha
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
The fact that I can have both phones, enjoy both, objectively speak of both products, and even contribute work to both communities while some of you can only spout baseless opinions says a lot of both me and you. Think it through people. Who's the real jokers on this thread? Re-read the posts and think like a rational person/consumer, I know it's hard for some of you but just try.

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[EVO 4G General] liverstealerJobs:
Thanks for validating my observation. Now go back to browbeating your old lady. The rest of us won't take that.
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
Bwahahahahh!!!
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I know why Apple uses older Intel CPUs, do you? If you can't give a rational answer then you don't understand anything.

That said, I think the AIR line is a complete joke. Want to know what I use in its's place? A HP Mini 10.1" netbook with aftermarket parts of 2GB DDR3 RAM, Intel SSD, and a newer Broadcom HD video decoder. Performance isn't as good but it runs CS5 (for what I use it for) without a hitch and I paid about 1/3 of a AIR so I don't feel like a complete tard.

This year was the first year that I owned a Macbook Pro, why? Because you need OS X for iOS development. Is it built nice? Yes. Is it over priced? Yes. Are there better spec'd computers? Yup, I owned a Envy 15 and will get a new Envy 15 if HP ever stops being retarded and re-introduces the 15 line. Oh, and guess what OS I use pretty much 99% of the time on my Mac? I'll give you a hint: it ain't OSX.

So yeah, Apple makes well made products but I don't think they are all the best. Their product cycles are way too long. Plus they are over priced on day 1 and only get more ridiculous from that point on.

You see how I use rational thinking? You should try it some time. It helps you over come the sudden urge to become emotionally attached to a companies product. That's how I find it easy to call out HTC's complete inability to ever include a good camera in any of their phones even though I've own HTC phones for years.

I dont even know why I even bother, I know this post is a waste of time. Fanboys will always be fanboys. But I guess in a way that's a good thing since it proves that I'll always have a job.

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[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
written from my new macbook air at starbucks. Seriously dude, like liver said, if you didn't come off so arrogant maybe your input would be taken seriously, otherwise you reek of elitism and are being addressed as such
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
It's easy to come off and respond that way when the usual rebuttal is something a long the lines of: 'cause it's sucks!! and mines is better!!

Tell me, how are you suppose to respond to something like that? If you don't know anything or don't contribute anything meaningful then that's the kind of reply that you'll get.
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
i would say that defining something as meaningful is purely orientation and some would categorize your posts as meaningless due to their content. My suggestion, if it bothers you ignore it and don't post. I am sure there is plenty of content that many users know a significant amount more than me, but i also know it goes the other way. people don't want to come to this forum and be scolded as is the tone of a majority of your posts, just my feedback
[EVO 4G General] sultan.of.swing:
I took these today using default settings. Its not low light though
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
They have almost identical hardware which means it could only be the software. I am not sure where you are getting your argument that HTC cheaped out on the hardware. The proof has been pointed out and discussed many times. Please stop using "Apple has better hardware" as a point of arguement. You'd be better off.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Yeah, you're right, it's the software. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Correct. Please show me where one is more advanced than the other that would cause the quality of pictures to be so drastic.
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
Fanboys.....note the wall of text above, apple never uses new hardware was a.direct answer to someone question about camera sensors. They never use new stuff so.they wait for everyone else to work the kinks outs that is how it is. Also not impressed with u putting ram into a laptop. If your a big photo and video editor and not using a powerful.desktop your doi.g it wrong or it is.just a.hobby for.you

And htc always has had bad drivers for cameras and gpu's never defended them but trolls gotta assume.right?
[EVO 4G General] Mactagonist:
You are asking two different things here. Do you want to know why the ov5462 is better then the ov8810? Because that is a simple question:

or, do you want to know (what) "would cause the quality of pictures to be so drastic"? Because that is a much more involved question that none of us can answer without inside knowledge of how HTC implemented the driver for the OmniVision camera and how they built the camera app on the Evo, lens they used etc.

But even if both camera modules were running the same software and drivers and using the same lens the one used in the iPhone will deliver lower resolution but better pictures then the one in the Evo because it is a more advanced sensor with a larger pixel pitch that can gather more light.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
From the Android Central forums that did the research on the sensors:

Time to move on people.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
So....so it's software. Thank you for proving my point.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
First who said I'm a photo and video editor? Notice what I said right after CS5? And you do realize that the netbook is my super portable machine. I also have a 15" Macbook Pro and pretty crazy custom built Windows desktop.

As for the Intel CPU thing, look up the legal dispute between them and NVIDIA (you know, the guys who supply Apple's GPUs).