yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
My belief is unchanged. It's ready for the N1 but being held back to try and boost NS sales. Be surprised if we see it in 2010.
[Nexus One General] leo221:
how does nexus one not getting gingerbread (within a few weeks of the S) boost nexus S sales?

how many nexus one owners will upgrade to S only because not getting the update right now? plus, there aren't much nexus one out there compare to tons of other android phones. most owners are geeks.
[Nexus One General] geemaan:
I agree. I'm not holding my breath...
[Nexus One General] rori~:
Agree...and I am very-very curious about the NS sales
[Nexus One General] twflys:
if anything, having GB on the Nexus One would help the sale of NS. There aren't too many people out there with the Nexus One. But those who do or would, showing off GB would help people jump on the Nexus bandwagon more than swaggering a few from 'one' to 'S'.

Delaying GB for the N1 is hurting Google more than helping.
[Nexus One General] nexus-six:
How does holding back GB for the N1 boost sales for the NS?

In all likelihood it should DECREASE sales because of bad publicity.

The N1 was sold as the phone that would always get updates immediately ... that doesn't seem to be happening.
[Nexus One General] iboj007:
If anyone remembers when Eric Schmidt announced the Nexus S, he specifically said that they're going to allow the Nexus S to be the exclusive Gingerbread phone for a few weeks before they OTA Gingerbread for N1.

Be patient, with that timeline it should be around new years.
[Nexus One General] manderson8898:
I for one am willing to wait. This will allow the S owners to find the "features" so I don't have to be trailblazing.
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
This one is fairly trivial to predict: the sales will be as meager as usual.

Average joe simply won't notice (where is the advertising?), and the average nerd (like us) is not impressed enough to sell his N1 which is getting this upgrade anyway.

Goog knows all of this and I don't think they are stupid enough to play such silly childish games.

If I was google, I would be worried about other things. It is one thing to factory-flash a brand new NS but it is completely other thing to make sure, that a you don't brick any of N1s which exist is several different hardware revisions. Can you imagine the scream if something nasty happens during the upgrade? :)

Not to speak about t-mob, att and vodafone which surely would like to test the 2.3 in advance too.

I wonder, how many people google has working on the N1 upgrade to 2.3?
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
I was thinking the exact same thing. The N1 isn't really available anymore, so anyone who saw Gingerbread on an N1 and liked it would be a potential NS customer.
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
Andy Rubin announced the Nexus S, not Eric Schmidt. Eric Schmidt did preview an "unannounced" device a few days earlier, but I don't remember him saying that they would wait a few weeks for Gingerbread to be released to other phones. Do you have a link?
[Nexus One General] tomgupper:
This just posted on the @googlenexus twitter account :

"The Gingerbread OTA for Nexus One will happen in the coming weeks. Just hang tight!"

http://twitter.com/googlenexus/statuses/16974464310845440
[Nexus One General] neoxz:
guess no gingerbread for christmas?
[Nexus One General] tomgupper:
Seems like Santa won't be getting any gingerbread cookies left out for him this year. His waist will thank him.
[Nexus One General] OzCDN:
LOL. Worth what?? It is free.

You do not think it is going to be worth free?!?
[Nexus One General] sceg10:
I think he meant all the time we spent talking and excitedly checkin for it only to be left slightly disappointed.
[Nexus One General] davados:
I feel googles updates are almost nothing but a few tweaks here and there. The gingerbread is nothing more than a revamp and a colour change to save battery life. The developers of Roms are more committed and pro active to the progress of current phones imo. Sure I like Google updates and will always have one but once I look past the hype and at the material its very flat nothing to it really. More interested in custom roms as there is alot more progress.
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
There is a lot more to Gingerbread than what you see on the surface - a lot of changes under the hood. Native SIP capability, for one; UI hardware acceleration for another. Add in an optimized Dalvik VM and other little performance tweaks (not to mention a super-sexy screen off animation) and you have a pretty desireable update, in my opinion.

It's not as big of a change as the update from Eclair to Froyo, but I think it's still got some pretty good meat going for it - not just a minor UI change.
[Nexus One General] davados:
Very true it is a desirable update all updates are anything extra is a bonus and I'm grateful. Just so little in the time they've had compared to some of the custom roms. Maybe I've become too acustom to the great work of the rom builders. If I had a stock phone and never flashed any roms then maybe I would be amazed.
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
None of the custom ROMs have brought native SIP support or many of the other new features. Don't get me wrong - I too love the community-built ROMs, but I'm really looking forward to when those are based off of Gingerbread. It will be an improved starting point over Froyo.
[Nexus One General] geemaan:
we should concentrate on real life and leave google in peace, it's not like our n1s are broken. they won't release gb earlier than when it's done so we might as well go out and make snow/ginger men. right?
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
It's cute that you think there is some sort of "real world" outside of xdaforums.com

:p
[Nexus One General] geemaan:
it's what I've heard :D
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
I've heard a lot of things, like that Cyanogen will hack the ambient light sensor to function as a front-facing camera on the N1. :p
[Nexus One General] OnEnExUsOnE:
That would be SICK!!!
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
That's not all. By combining it with proximity sensor we get very nice 3D front camera which even covers infrared spectrum!

And the 1px resolution is overkill for any practical purpose.

But there is more. An accelerometer joined with electronic compass and combined with a piece of rope would enable an ultracool scanning camera. Just spin it around you.
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
Who needs Gingybread when we have that right around the corner??
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
tell that to users with LCD android phones. i hate how google jumps around with their UI decisions. Not much time ago they switched the messages app from black to white background, now the change the notification area from white to black.

Also i believe that white background and black text is much better visible outdoors in sunlight, so i don't like googles decision at all...
[Nexus One General] mattpannella:
i'm not sure why they don't just add a system level dark/light theme option to swap all the bars/menus/etc from black to white
[Nexus One General] oYn:
Nexus one is my first and last google purchase, the thing they are doing with the gingerbread update is not acceptable. We could have bought many other phones but we choose Nexus one for a reason......

I was thinking of buying a Nexus S but that's not going to happen seeing what they are doing with Nexus one
[Nexus One General] El Daddy:
Reading things like this make me cringe! Take a deep breath and relax. We'll get gingerbread when its ready months before any carrier branded phone.

To say youll never buy anything from google again is absolutely preposterous. The nexus s was released 5 days ago!
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
Let me get this straight. Because you have to wait a few weeks for the update, you will now only buy phones where you will have to wait 6months to never for the update?

Sounds like a good tradeoff to me. :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] :
Gingerbread is ready.

It's being held back so it doesn't take the NS spotlight(what little light there actually is).
[Nexus One General] El Daddy:
I meant ready to push the ota.

I totally agree with you about letting the ns get the glory for a bit.

It doesn't bother me.
[Nexus One General] drive2droad:
what happens when honeycomb launches ? Does the glory window extend to a few months or does it close on the N1 users forever ??
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
Can't even speculate on that. Just assume you won't get it OTA. It's not like we're running stock anyways, just wait for CM8 then.
[Nexus One General] Santoro:
jeeeez.

Lighten up Francis.

1) Google never promised unlimited updates

2) You are going to get GB in the next few weeks

Marketing happens. As an adult you will need to eventually accept that and move on.
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
Pretty sure the facts point to him not being an adult.
[Nexus One General] OzCDN:
I love all the outrage about a few weeks delay before we get the latest bleeding edge OS for free.

My buddy is suffering with 1.6 (Donut!!) on his Dell Streak. And, when he does finally get the update, it will probably be 2.2.
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
Some nice news:

http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/17334344267866112

"Nonstop hacking going on in #teamdouche :)" - cyanogen
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
Told you he was hacking up a front-facing camera for us.
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
Dude, seriously? Tell me you're joking...

They hacked that up last week. This week they're focusing on the NFC capabilities ;)
[Nexus One General] ROM_Guest:
Hey Guys,

Saw this on CNN just now. It says Honeycomb 2.4 is designed "especially for tablets."

Especially is a strong word that could mean many things? No phone 2.4 then?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2142...d_with_android_24_to_debut_at_ces.html?tk=out
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
You should expect CNN to be weeks late and mostly wrong when talking about tech.

2.4 is designed for tablets, true, but also for phones. The whole video of the Honeycomb tablet and explanation on it talked about how 2.4 works perfectly well on tablets and phones and how the exact same app work on both in different ways.
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
Android pre-Honeycomb was designed "especially for" phones.

You still see tablets running it.
[Nexus One General] ROM_Guest:
Guess I should have watched the video :D

At least I didn't make a honeycomb thread tho! <thought about it, hehe>
[Nexus One General] :
No, that's wrong.

Android was initially geared for small screen devices. As the landscape of tech changes, the OS will be tweaked to include up and coming devices. In this case tablets. If next year refrigerators take off at the pace that handheld devices are, expect to see Cubed/Crushed APIs for Lemondrop update.

That doesn't mean everything else get's thrown away. The only things that get thrown away are things that no longer serve a purpose in the OS.

Just as an aside. Android 1.5 to 1.6 revision is when the OS became device independent.
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
Cubed/Crushed APIs actually sound pretty awesome.
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
But then we have to wait for Martini to get the Shaken/Stirred options. ;)
[Nexus One General] geemaan:
well, you can ***** some more, NS just got an OTA to 2.3.1 while our N1 still waits for better times. ;)
[Nexus One General] draugaz:
Like this is something to cheer about. Feels like a beta release quickly pushed out of the door.
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
I already had 2.3.1 on my N1. And pretty sure the Nexus S came with 2.3.1 The update was just a few small bug fixes.
[Nexus One General] geemaan:
Pitty we don't...
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
I think he's confusing 2.2.1 with 2.3.1 ;) (though I'm pretty sure the S shipped with 2.3 and was updated to 2.3.1. I seriously doubt he's already got GB)

Sent from my Sexy Nexy, courtesy of the fine developers of Tapatalk
[Nexus One General] Lightning N1:
He most likely is talking about the Micromod777 ROM

The newest update built from AOSP Gingerbread by Chris Soyars, then rooted with busybox by blunden ! MicroMod has ironed out most of the issues and added some Google Apps that are compatible with Gingerbread.

It is a true Gingerbread ROM built FROM AOSP and labled as version 2.3.1.

Its not as complete as an OTA update, but it actually runs quite smooth and has everything but a camcorder.
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
I think you're just confused yourself. Go to the development section and download a 2.3.1 rom, you've got at least 3 choices in there.
[Nexus One General] teknoraver:
No news, bad news?
[Nexus One General] twflys:
Yeah, the mods unlocking this thread and all this talk of end of life- for the N1 is depressing.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
"A few weeks"
[Nexus One General] BiTXBoi:
Exactly Rusty
[Nexus One General] nexus-six:
At this pace the carrier phones will get Gingerbread before the N1.

Time to ditch the N1?

TBH, I am not sure I want to try another android phone after this experience. Maybe once the WP7 phones come out here ...
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
Really? Why is everyone pulling out the drama queen act? Because it will take a few weeks, that must mean the carriers will suddenly have Gingerbread, despite always being 6 months behind before.

So let's threaten to take my toys and go home (buy WP7) because the other kids aren't playing nice. :)
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
Go for it, sell your N1 today. Be sure to let us hear all about it when your carriers phone gets its OTA first. :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] NICEGYPT:
hahahahahahaahah this a good comment u make me laugh dude :D
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
In his defense, he has been sticking around since November. That's a big commitment to walk away from, and I'm sure Google will notice and will consider this in the future.
[Nexus One General] sknoslo:
It's been 20 days since the Gingerbread SDK was released. Even if they don't release the N1 build for 2 more weeks, it will be a new record for release time.

Just wait until Honeycomb is released. I bet the Nexus S and the Nexus One will probably get the update around the same time and people will be going crazy in the Nexus S forum.

And trust me, the carrier phones will not get updated first.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Well don't panic yet :confused: but if you do, then tell us when WM7 gets its 1st OTA :eek:
[Nexus One General] vzontini:
Why are people ticked off about waiting a few more weeks for Gingerbread? What is it bringing to the N1 that is so exciting over 2.2.1? I must be missing something...
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
I'm looking forward to the native SIP capability, improved Dalvik VM garbage collection, and the screen off animation. I'm excited by all of this, but don't mind waiting. We'll still get the update before any of the carrier or manufacturer branded phones.
[Nexus One General] ajorg:
I just want WPA-EAP fixed. Everything else is gravy. The screen-off animation is extra spicy gravy.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
i want to see that nasty browser hoggig all internal storage bug to be solved, but i think this is still not the case...
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Considering that it's not a bug, you're probably right.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
call it a bug or call it a feature. as long as this damn behaviour can make the whole system instable they have to FIX it.

just recently the browser took 30 MB of internal storage on my n1. Many other apps threw errors because they couldn't run normally anymore. i had like 100kb free storage.

And do you know whats even funnier? i couldn't open the browser to clear the cache, because the browser would force close.

AND i couldn't clear the cache from the app list too, because it wouldn't show any cache size, but ONLY the app size of the browser claiming to be 30 MB.

Restarting the device didn't help, force closing the browser didn't help.

So i had to "wipe" the browser app and delete all data, including bookmarks, and saved passwords and so on.

Why isn't there an option to set a limit to the used storage?

so much about the great Android memory management...at least internal storage management is a bad joke...
[Nexus One General] josemedina1983:
I have the feeling that honeycomb wont come to the nexus one but I might be wrong.
[Nexus One General] Galaid:
Let's make it straight.

FROYO SDK released: 20 May 2010

FROYO OTA Nexus1: 22 May 2010

http://www.androidauthority.com/index.php/2010/05/20/android-2-2-froyo-sdk-now-available/

http://www.gadgetsdna.com/nexus-one-gets-first-android-2-2-froyo-sweetness/3268/

23 days since GINGERBREAD SDK and still no OTA for N1!
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
That was not the official Froyo OTA, but a leaked dev build.

The actual OTA wasn't until 29 June.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Nexus-One-Google-Android-Froyo,news-7257.html

Get your facts straight before you get all indignant that you've been waiting (OMG!) 23 days.
[Nexus One General] Galaid:
http://www.redmondpie.com/android-2.2-froyo-ota-download-for-nexus-one-9140786/

It clearly says "The update is available now via OTA (Over-the-Air) download and will take some time before the roll out completes." and the date is 22th of May. Where are your sources that this was a leak?
[Nexus One General] erikiksaz:
I was on vacation on the last week of May and I remember distinctly that FRF50 was leaked. It was definitely not an official OTA. That official OTA came out weeks later.
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
It WAS available as an OTA.... mostly to those who had received their devices at various Google conferences and events. Mostly developers, but also some press - hence many of the blogs screaming "OMG FROYO IS HERE."

If you had been around XDA in May, you would have been well-aware of these facts.

Engadget's coverage of the initial "release" to press and developers only (5/22)

Engadget's coverage when a release-version leak was, er, leaked (6/19)

Engadget's coverage when the OTA actually started trickling out for real (6/23) - there is some discrepancy among different reports as to WHEN this OTA actually started, but it was definitely sometime the last week of June.

androidandme.com also reported a 23 June date for the official OTA

I think the 29 June was for the AT&T version, as that update didn't go out at the same time.

Also, Engadget's coverage of the Froyo Source Code finally dropping (6/23) - note we're ahead of the curve on this aspect for Gingerbread
[Nexus One General] El Droid:
Sadly i'd have to agree.
[Nexus One General] YoMarK:
Why?

If the Nexus One can properly run it(performance wise), then Google probably won't abandon the device.

If it can't properly run a next version of Android(after honeycomb), then it's time to get a new device.

I don't think this is going to happen in the next year.

I for one don't really care, haven't got a OTA/stock ROM on my Nexus for a long time.
[Nexus One General] Galaid:
So I was right. It was OTA, you know what OTA means? "Over the Air", not PADO (press and devs only). So get YOUR facts straight before you start complaining about what others have said.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yes, but it was only available to some small nexus one numbers. the real N1 OTA for the masses came much later. so he is actually right. The first OTA was some kind of pre-release OTA.

But since we didn't even get an pre-release OTA for Gingerbread yet, you are also right that it SEEMS to take longer this time. ;)
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
"Over The Air" refers to the method of delivery. It was delivered "Over The Air" to a select set of test subjects (namely developers and members of the press, who had received Nexus One devices at various Google conferences and events), while the general public did not receive the Over The Air update until late in the following month.

Is this really that complicated for you to grasp the difference?
[Nexus One General] sknoslo:
Is it safe to assume you did not have a Nexus One at the time of the FroYo update? Because surely you would remember how the update took place if you had.

Oh, and "Over the Air" != RTTM ("released to the masses", as you might put it).

So by the time the regular consumer got the OTA update, It had been 34+ days since the release of the SDK. So on January 8th-ish if we don't have any reports of an OTA, then your arguments will be valid. (Disclaimer: those numbers/dates were quick guesstimates, If they aren't accurate, I apologize.)
[Nexus One General] Galaid:
You don't understand my point and that is that we don't have nor leaked nor prerelease nor ota for devs nor ANY 2.3 fw from google while we had (official) 2.2 two days after sdk.

Got it now?

I'm waiting for any kind of OTA so I can get libs that could enable AAC audio in video recording and I'm expecting that flash problems will vanish once we get updated video drivers. Read my other posts for more info.
[Nexus One General] josemedina1983:
google is designing honeycomb for tablet use not for phone use I think thats what googles excuse its going to be. As far as gingerbread I feel like we might get it on Feb. I think google still trying to sell more units for Nexus S which I think Nexus devices will always be a niche device until they have it on a carrier and I guess they just decided to call it a developer phone.
[Nexus One General] dan1431:
I agree that we (the Nexus One Community) do not have a Gingerbread build, official nor unofficial at this point and I am not not really surprised either.

However, a point of clarification, the build released soon after the SDK (around May 22) was FRF50 (which was only released to a certain pool of people) and El Goog came right out and said (via their Developer Advocate) that FRF50 was not the official release for the Nexus One. In fact, it was not really a full build and lacked certain promised features of FroYo (Enhanced Exchange Support as an example).

El Goog's official release was June 28th 2010 and they took the time to make a post about the official release of Android 2.2 for the N1 on the official Google Nexus One Blog.

Dan
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
But we do have the source, whereas last time around we had to wait 34+ days for that.

Also, the Nexus One was THE development platform for Froyo. This time around, it is the Nexus S. Even before the Nexus S was official released, there were developers and members of the press who had one - running Gingerbread. Equate this to the unofficial releases of Froyo - which happened the way they happened because there was no Google phone being launched to coincide with the OS's release. If there had been a new Google Phone launched with Froyo, you can bet your sweet ass that the N1 would not have received any pre-release updates.

Also of note, there ARE Nexus Ones out there running Gingerbread (official pre-release testing builds). It looks like Google may have just gotten a bit more serious with 1) the manner in which they control who gets these "beta" releases, 2) the amount of legal paperwork (NDAs and such) issued to those early users to ensure that an unfinished product doesn't make it into the wild.

Are we finished with this whining about not having an official OTA two days after the SDK?
[Nexus One General] :
I'm not.

wah wah wah

wah
[Nexus One General] dan1431:
I was thinking that to myself and something dawned on me, the leak last time resulted in an official statement from El Goog saying that those who installed the "BETA/Early Release/whatever you want to call it" would be brought up to whatever the official version was going to be.

I would speculate that you are right, El Goog is being far more careful with early release/BETA Gingerbread roms for the N1. As many here know, when we have the link to El Goog's servers for whatever ROM we post it here and it makes all the tech blogs.

Dan