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[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dliao:
I just realized even if Nexus S has similar 3G chips as the Vibrant, I believe even today nobody really know if the Vibrant did support AT&T's 850mhz 3G band.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paparasee:
Hey, Thanks Dliao! Guess I'll go for it ... on the 16th!

Cheers
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crachel:
A mod needs to come in this thread and delete about 4 pages just so someone in the future doesn't come across and read this nonsense.

You can call a rep all you want, as SoberGuy/Engadget/etc have pointed out, the phone that passed the FCC does not have AT&T 3G

Here's the Network Bands of the Nexus S

Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700

And for another phone with similar bands (AND NO AT&T 3G) the HD2

Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
HSPA: 900, 2100

The only difference being the 1700MHz band, which is apart of TMobiles UMTS spectrum. So, for a Nexus S AT&T 3G version, a new phone will have to pass the FCC.. you will see it on Engadget probably within a day of it happening.

The HSPA band has to have 850 for AT&T 3G.. not just the GSM
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skunz35:
Well if it wasn't for the stupid best buy reps no one would be confused, someone needs to tell them to stop telling people it will work with at&t 3G
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] morfy50:
There is a Vibrant phone that works on AT&T 3G. It's sold at Bell in Canada; however it's is a different version of the Vibrant than Tmo's.

It even has front-facing camera like the Nexus S... I don't believe the Tmo version has that.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
so here is an example of the iphone 4 specs to compare to the nexus s

Cellular and wireless

* UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)

* GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

* 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi (802.11n 2.4GHz only)

* Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR wireless technology

i get it now it has toe have the umts
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dliao:
If assuming the it's working the same way as Vibrant does on the AT&T 3G network, then we still get only 1900mhz, which might not work for some folks in certain area where 3G is only covered by 850mhz.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
The following are all the Galaxy S phones I know of with both UMTS 850 and 1900 MHz:

AT&T or Rogers - Samsung Captivate i896/i897 - both are the same phone, no FFC

Bell - Samsung Vibrant i9000m - Looks like the international i9000 version of the SGS, does not resemble the T-Mobile Vibrant at all, does have FFC

Telus - Samsung Fascinate T959D - Looks just like the T-Mobile Vibrant T959, has nothing in common with the CDMA Verizon Fascinate, does not have FFC

Basically Samsung put all their names in a hat and drew them out in a different order for Canada :P They can all be unlocked.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sl8125:
I really don't want to part away from my N1 but more more i watch the unboxing i want one. However, i will have to wait for a NAM version of NS. Stuck on ATT when i bought an iphone for an upgrade. However, i sold the biatch and save for a next new thing. So buying it outright is no prob. I grandfathered to a unlimited data plan so i don't think i will be leaving ATT soon. I use the tethering option all day on my laptop. I get my money's worth on ATT data service. Can't wait for a Nexus S on ATT. Maybe if something better comes along i will have something to compare.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ap3604:
Same here brotha... Same here :(
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
i just spoke to a nexus s bestbuy rep and the phone does not support tmobiles hspa+ network only 3g which sucks

and he also said that "there has been discussion about an upgrade for tmo's hspa+ "but then i asked you mean an update or a hardware upgrade and he said he did not know any further
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MikeyMike01:
If there was an at&t version, if ditch my ****ty Captivate in a heartbeat.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iboj007:
I guess we'll all have to wait until thursday to find out.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mjazar12:
I think it is official by now that the nexus s will not work with att 3g we are just going have to wait to see if there is a vibrant hack and i am praying to god it wil
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I'm actually curious as to the EDGE speeds. It almost might make me pick one up for AT&T. I've got a feeling we won't see an official version for quite some time.

Hopefully someone in this thread will pop their SIM in during launch day and run some speed tests...
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sl8125:
Its SLOW. Lol. Just try a day with no 3g on your device. You will know then.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Anderdroid:
Well.. EDGE isn't the end of the world or anything :P. But 3G is so awesome :P.

It's sad to hear AT&T may not be supported on this but you have options I think. Get a i9000 Galaxy S :P. The best and original Galaxy S. Gets updates faster than the other plus has built in FFC and *should* work on AT&T 3g but don't quote me.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
i9000 has 1900 but not 850.

Better to get the Bell Canada "Vibrant" i9000m if you want AT&T bands.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nexusonemeover:
so, whats the verdict? any ATTers try it yet? please let us know...
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Scrooge276:
No luck with my AT&T sim! Debating if I should return to BB or sell on eBay. Disappointed!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calin75:
Please give us more info and details?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Scrooge276:
Just getting EDGE, ran a speed test and it is very slow, so definitely EDGE. Unless there are hidden 3g bands like the Vibrant that can be unlocked? Maybe I will hold on to it for a few days and see if anything develops. I was actually told by Best Buy that it would work on AT&T 3g directly on their Nexus S hotline.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deprecate:
[Q] anyone test this on att yet?

Since there seemed to be no clear answer about this phone and ATT; I wanted to see if anyone attempted to drop an ATT sim in their phone to see if BestBuy was correct in having their reps tell people that it will in fact work on their 3g phone/data bands.

I know the spec listed ATT's bands on GSM only but with how in-flux the spec was, I had no idea what to believe.

Thanks!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] |mpulse:
Someone said they had earlier and that it only got Edge. :(
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deprecate:
must have missed that post/thread...ah well :) Looks like I keep my n1 a while longer.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] perdurabo2:
I've tested with my AT&T iPhone 4 micro-SIM and an AT&T SIM from an Android phone. Both result in an EDGE connection. No 3G as expected.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calin75:
Same here; really disappointed. I tested it, put in my SIM card and all i got was edge. The sad part is that the Nexus S is not appealing enough to make me wanna switch to T-mobile. I'll keep my hacked at&t galaxy tab with euro firmware.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calin75:
This phone is not worth 529 dollars to just get edge. Maybe worth an upgrade if it ever comes out for at&t.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nexus 1:
[Q] Any one have ATT 3G on NS?

now only EDGE showing up.

here is my APN, the same from my NexusOne

Name: AT&T

APN: wap.cingular

Proxy: leave blank

Port: leave blank

Username:WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM

Password:CINGULAR1

Server: leave blank

MMSC: http://mmsc.cingular.com

MMS Proxy: wireless.cingular.com

MMS Port: 80

MCC:310

MNC:410

APN Type: leave blank

Did I miss something?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] derek4484:
Nope, the Nexus S only has the T-mo 3G bands. If you use it on AT&T all you'll get is Edge.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graemegb:
do you think EDGE is ok for now? im on the edge right now as to weather i should get it. I just hope they dont release a att 3g version after the 30 days
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nexus 1:
edge works fine though.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graemegb:
now that maps is able to load all the data before a trip, i think i might be able to bear it. most of the time when im not on wifi i just check e-mail, check Engadget and Giz, and sometimes get on facebook or twitter.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calin75:
Dude, $529 to downgrade to edge? No trackball, no expendable memory slot. IMHO that's crazy.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graemegb:
First of all, I have no use for a trackball. Andy Rubin said himself that the os doesnt need one now for txt selection because of the new features. i dont need the notification light either. if i have a txt it will vibrate. plus i wont even see the light in my pocket. I also dont need expandable memory. 16GB is plenty considering how small most apps are. but hey, thats your opinion. like i said the only times im not on wifi are at school and when im in the car.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jwood55812:
IDK... I gotta agree about the downgrade to edge, when I go back to my parnets, its only ATT EDGE, not 3g, great coverage and everything, but it is slow as molasses when compared to 3g, there's no way I could go back, you might as well get a captivate if you're on ATT.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calin75:
In my case, I use the sd slot so the Ns is a no go for me. The main differences between the captivate and the Ns is that the captivate doesn't have a front facing camera and flash in the back but has the sd slot. Im sure somebody will port gingerbread for the captivate in no time.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graemegb:
yeah but i am not going back to Samsung and Touchwiz. they promised 2.2 like 8 months ago and now...... nothing! i would rather have EDGE and latest updates
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rashad1:
I had an iPhone 4 on T-Mobile since July, until today.

If you are a light data user, you wont notice a difference. Twitter, Facebook, Email, browsing, not that much of a difference.

You will miss 3G when you want to:

Stream Video

Download Apps

Video Chat

Tether
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graemegb:
i will be fine with EDGE then. i dont do tethering or video chat, if i want to DL an app i can wait an hour lol.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] miketlo:
EDGE makes my phone feel like a blackberry. If I wanted pages to load that slow I wouldnt have paid 529 for a new phone.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Could it be the same radio as the Vibrant, which had a hidden unlockable AT&T 3G band?

I want one on Rogers Canada, can't justify EDGE.

Hope we find out soon!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daveop:
Man i am so close to jumping on this even with just edge speeds for now. I have wifi at work and home so it comes down to how badly i need it on the road. I use engadget app and maps mostly. Hrm
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MikeyMike01:
A sizable chunk of North America wants the 850 band. It wouldn't make much sense for Samsung not to release one sometime in, say, January.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Counting on you Sammy! My iPhone 4 ready to go!

EDIT:

I found a weird post on the AT&T forums:

<quote> I bought a Nexus S today. I was informed It will do 3G, but you have to prove you paid full price & T-Mobile will then release the phone so it can access ATT 3g bands. It will take 24 hours to go through. </quote>

link: http://bit.ly/hiUcjV

Wonder how much truth is to that.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecapox:
zero to none. The proof is in the FCC filings for the handset. If it has an ATT 3G band, it would have said it. I'd like to be proved wrong, but im pretty certain on this one.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Yeah, doesn't seem likely.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr.Kakarot:
the edge sucks, but it is a very nice phone.... it will keep my busy until they launch the att one :)

plus it makes for better battery life, email and gps is fine, facebook etc.... cripples web browsing.

I liked my focus, but it was just not as "fun"
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jwood55812:
Because you can't put a custom ROM on and have leaked 2.2? I've had it for months now and it's stable as hell, plus with the Nexus being so close to the Galaxy S, and Cyanogen working on making Nexus S the AOSP base and porting it to SGS, you'd be getting the updates guaranteed a couple months after official, honestly 2.3 isnt anything that special that i can't wait 2 months to get it, my $.02

Edit - And Samsung US never promised Froyo any earlier than by the end of the year, they've still got time (not that I'm counting on it), and TW is so easy to remove from the phone its laughable.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] grave101:
Actually samsung said they were to get 2.2 by the end of october
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calin75:
Gingerbread would be the only reason to get the Nexus S, but can I justify spending $529 just for GB?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RogerPodacter:
I think its kinda funny this thread started buying the phone thinking it worked with ATT 3g. Isn't that something to research before dropping 500 bucks? Just kidding;-) .
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] calin75:
The people at best buy were actually very nice. They let me play with the Nexus S for a while, even let me insert my at&t SIM card. Of course i was very disappointed when all I got was EDGE.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] perdurabo2:
He's confused carrier unlocking with 3G. There's no truth per how he says it. The NS may have unlockable freqs like the Vibrant, but only time will tell.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
...

Again, the Vibrant had no hidden bands to be unlocked. It has 1900 but not 850. The 1900 band is not hidden - my understanding is it works out of the box. But one band alone isn't good enough for full 3G coverage.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
Now that Google is behind the Nexus S, it will CERTAINLY and ABSOLUTELY get the fastest updates of any device out there. Look how long it was after the Nexus One got Froyo before the Galaxy S got Froyo, it was 3 months or so IIRC.

The Galaxy S i9000 does get the updates slightly ahead of the other phones in the line, probably because there's no carrier interference in the way of things.

I've been using a Galaxy S i9000 GT on AT&T since early July. The device has a great development community here on xda with some pretty awesome firmwares. It's a great device if you want to have SAMOLED screen on AT&T.

My friend uses a US T-Mobile Vibrant on AT&T here in Los Angeles. Works fine for him. You have to unlock it (easy software hack), and it's 1900 only. You can pick it up for $100-$200 less than the i9000 is going to cost you, so it might be a better choice if money's a concern, BUT, I don't think the dev support is as good as the i9000.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ajftl:
And why r u here then? ..
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elena11:
Maybe Galaxy S will get Ginger bread in a couple months.... I really hope!:p
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] plmiller0905:
Yeah im in the same boat. I have an evo and the NS. On my evo I have 3g and everything ...which is fast IMO and the sprint service is good also.

But I got the NS too and I only have 3g speeds where I live but at home and work I have wifi.. and there's also 3g service up where i work which is approximately 30 minutes away from my home.

On my way to working i use Pandora and maps and they both work good on my NS...and that's all on Edge. I do agree with the other poster that said that the browser is slow as hell....though. So far that's the only downfall Ive came upon on edge

Another thong I like about this NS though is that its just so damn sexy....lol. its a a slick a** phone ...lol

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] morfy50:
It's coming to Canada

The unofficial announcement is posted over at MobileSyrup http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/01/06/samsung-says-the-google-nexus-s-is-coming-to-canada/

The new Android devices at CES are truly amazing, but I can't around the issue that the manufacturers don't provide timely updates (if at all). Given the choice, I'll take a Google updated device. I've been spoiled by my Nexus One.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
i'm pretty sure they are wrong in regards to the telcos...

if it comes, it'll be for Wind Mobile and Mobility City

because the 3G frecuencies will not work for all the big guys, unless they plan to release a NAM version
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pcrussell50:
i wonder if... now that ATT is no longer the exclusive iphone dealer, they will start to beef up their android game? up till now, att didn't need to have much android game because of the iphone. BUT verizon kicked butt with android, and now they will have the iphone, too.if att doesn't do _something_ i can't see things going too well for them.

then back to the thread topic, maybe att will have some influence on el goog, to get 850/1900 HSPA on the nexus S?

-peter
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
AT&T already upping their Android game with that Infuse 4G, aren't they?

I don't expect to see a Nexus S on any other network. Samsung phones that are similar, perhaps, but nothing with the Google love we're supposedly going to get.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
that's weird

i can use both my Bell / FIDO Sim card in the Nexus S and get data

it's just EDGE, no 3G
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
How can you manage to get data on a Bell SIM in the Nexus S? Bell has no EDGE network at all.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
Fido it has, Bell is just voice
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcosmi:
NS is the sweetest phone i have ever used.

a flat screen is so 2010 ;)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
Rather, how do you manage to get any reception at all, even EDGE, in an NS with a Bell SIM? Bell has no 2G network.

Unless you live in a province where Bell has permission to roam on Rogers?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phonex1:
Decisions decisions. Faulty phones or bloatware ridden ones. Hmmmmm.

Guess the iPhone is suddenly looking like a better choice until google comes to the rescue :P
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sl8125:
I don't care for one anymore. There are far more awesome phones to be released on ATT. Atrix inspire and infuse. I think they are much better then nexus s.

Hardest part ya choosing from the three.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
I think it's reasonable to expect the Atrix will have a locked bootloader, so if you want hardware you can use like a dev phone, it won't be the Droid you're looking for. Still the phone looks pretty f'ing awesome, especially the 1930 mAh battery!

The Inspire (Desire HD) will be pretty great too, but probably lower on battery life, and the specs aren't quite as dazzling as the Atrix. Basically the Inspire/Desire HD is a slightly refreshed HTC HD2 that doesn't require hacking to get Android on it ;)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phonex1:
Inspire is just Desire HD. Atrix might have the bootloader locked with motoblur and ATT stuff on the phone (Bell here in Canada). Only infuse might be better if there are no inherited problems from Galaxy S (like the nexus s seems to have improved upon them). Reason: so far samsung phones seem to be easy to root and put custom roms on to get rid of the unwanted stuff (or if you want to put a stock android rom to have pure android experience).
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sl8125:
I want the atrix. But having the bootloader locked down is a problem. I been surfing through Droid x forums. koush has something he cooked up call boot strapper. They also have clock work recovery with nandroid.

Inspire is HTC. We already know what is capable.

Infuse might be the phone to get. Samoled+ might be the best thing in the market. On top of that its 4.5 inch. With galaxy s dev community I believe alot of those who are supporting the sgs will support it.

Bottomline. Samsung infused will prob have the most custom roms and modds.

But I still want the MOTO atrix. I am in no hurry to change from my N1. I will wait and see how these phones are developed. All good things come to those who wait.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
The Samsung phones are indeed hackable, but at the same time, Samsung has failed to release most of their drivers open source. That's why a lot of SGS ROMs are perpetually buggy.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
you can get 1850 mAh battery for our SNS

i got 2 already, working great!!!!!!!

i'll need to run a full drain on both the stock 1500 vs 1850 to see how much more fly time i get in real life use
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
It's against forum rules (and good manners) to post something like that without a link!!!! LOL
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
it's in the Accessories section, i just commented on it

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=876120

can't wait to run a full test on them
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stanmancan:
The vibrant was software locked out from having the 850 mhz band. I personally was able to unlock it using the secret programming sequence.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
The Vibrant, the one sold by T-Mobile, does 850 UMTS? Really? That's news to me. My i9000 and Vibrant days are starting to blur, though, I'm gonna have to check that out.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmstlist:
Can you prove you genuinely connected it to an 850 MHz tower? The consensus seems to be that the T-Mobile Vibrant has an 850 option apparent in the programming menu, but it doesn't actually have the band available in its hardware radio.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
The vibrant was a true quand band phone with software locking out the att band compatability. I thought that was put to rest already, are people still doubting that?

The nexus S is a faux quand band phone. No amount of software is goint to sprout att bands.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
Faux quad band...? What the heck does that mean? LOL (And yes, I know what faux means).

The Nexus S is a quad-band phone, a real one, on GSM bands.

I'm aware the Vibrant can do AT&T UMTS 1900, and I'm aware the Vibrant can be programmed to "enable" UMTS 850, but that doesn't mean it ever actually connected. There was a lot of noise in the i9000 community about "enabling" but when challenged, people could never present a debug screen that showed an actual connection to UMTS 850. Many were confused by a GSM 850.

Since you seem to be in the know on this, maybe you have a handy link to give better clarification. A quick google search didn't reveal anything definitive to me, but I didn't look very hard (yet). If the 850 UMTS can be turned on, I need to do it for my friend with a Vibrant he's using on AT&T to help him with some better reception in some parts of town.