[Desire Android Development] beyondthecog:
Whose is whose?

@PaYs

I agree with every word you say about your ROMs and the general practise and whole idea behind sites like xda. People like yourself, robocik, and many others here, are developers in the best possible tradition - that of free sharing of knowledge - not the cut throat war of trade in knowledge. You all move boundaries forward with the invaluable help of a healthy community of testers and users of your products who also share their findings and knowledge freely. We are all interlinked here. We all have 'nice phones' and we want to make them ours, to maximise their potential, to break them out of the constraints imposed by the manufacturer. This is all of us, devs included. To do that we need people like you, PaYs, and you, robocik, to do your magic, to share with each other and with us, your devoted followers ... sorry, testers. It's not good to read you bickering and jibing at each other over whose is whose ROM, etc, and it's not helped by other individuals on the forum fuelling things by making assumptions drawn from what is obviously a cursory and ill-informed browse through an unzipped ROM. Please, guys, stop it. Everyone, enjoy a new stage in development, someone's efforts and feedback with intelligence.

@Everyone!

On the subject of whose is whose, the HD ROM itself, any ROM, is the culmination of thousands of hours of work by many, many people before any xda dev gets their hands on it. These things are not built by any one person. That someone takes something like the SenseHD ROM and works hard to port it to the htc Desire is praiseworthy indeed. That work which ports the ROM is theirs, for which they will always be mentioned, and no doubt highly regarded, but this does not make the ROM theirs, and, given the forum within which they are working, their work is shared and freely available for modification, tweaking and changing. The size and degree of change doesn't matter. Does it improve things? Does it make a significant difference? This is what counts. This difference can be anything from a deep technical issue to simple feelings surrounding confidence in the ROM - does it feel more stable? Does it feel more reliable?

It's not about ownership. It's about development.

I've watched the Desire forums for some months now. I've flashed many, many ROMs - so many it's sad - ask my girlfriend...! PaYs is an excellent ROM developer. There is always a feeling of completeness about what he produces. I am not surprised that he is, as he says, one of the first Desire ROM devs. He's been around for a while. He's not here for the lime light. He's here to do a good job for us all - devs, testers, users...

Whereas PaYs has an ability to bring together the 'best' of things into a stable, usable ROM, other devs like robocik and baadnewz, I would suggest, produce much more experimental ROMs. There was a period at the beginning of December with robocik's Sense HD ROM and more recently with baadnewz's, where there was an update every day because of instability and incompleteness issues with the ROMs they are developing. That kind of thing is not for everyone, though it is an essential part of developing anything to meet its potential. Ideas need to be tried and tested, and sometimes that means multiple attempts before the problems are ironed out.

There are plateaus in every process of development - periods when things come together to make something workable, stable. It's not perfect, but it is good, usable. I think PaYs tends to produce ROMs that reflect those plateaus.

On a weekend with nothing better to do, I'm happy to load ROMs and try them out, and maybe now, after this, my second post (!) I'll feedback my findings. But, in the week, I need something that I can rely on. This week, I believe baadnewz's HD v1.3 is pretty good. It's fast, even on a Class 2 card, I've had no FCs and everything for me seems to work. PaYs rom loses out simply because the ext partition doesn't appear to be read correctly in Titanium Backup. This worries me given that this partition is crucial to the integrity of the system. Perhaps, PaYs, you can settle my mind on that issue. I like that you remove the Stocks app. This speaks to me!! :D I'd like to use your ROM.

Anyway, enough said!