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[Windows Phone 7 General] mmegalodon:
Do we have some graph that breaks down battery figures ... concerning regular tasks and just basic all day usage? And how one OS is so drastically different and better? At least concerning battery life? I know some facets of the aandroid OS might compromise battery ... as in rogue apps continuously running and not letting phone sleep. Or something.

And even then ... battery life between different ROMs isn't that drastic. Most battery life queries are noon based ... people doing something ill advised and unknowingly juice their batt. And from my experience mist battery inquiries if any are concerning correlating kernals that may or may not deal with various performance tweaks. As some kernals aren't compatible with some ROMs. Its not like someone asks "what's the battery life with this ROM? Oh -6 hours? Guess I better go with that other one."

Don't bull**** around the battery issue as, bottom line, sucks across the board and also has so many factors to take into account. To say Android phones simply have bad battery life compared to whatever is pretty lame dude. Not to mention untrue.

Hey, I get you're a WP7 guy ... I'm not anti WP7 ... but seriously.

SWYPED from my SUPASONIC
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
this thread is a contradiction. people (here) want very badly to compare the smoothness to that of android or iphone, or symbian as a plus for microsoft. when the issues of usb storage, copy/paste, or the other host of closed non-features are mentioned, suddenly the people questioning things are android or iphone fanboys. double standard much ?

microsoft has the potential to make AWESOME operating systems. money, brains, and young, open minded talent abounds, but look what happens. the music and movie industry writes the rules, and OS fails. watching a movie once a week on my phone, in a format that has the riaa/mpaa/whoever's blessing shouldn't cripple an OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nkd:
I have android right now. I am pretty set on windows phone 7 to be my next phone. I hate waiting for new updates when other phones get them already, I would love to just have a streamlined os that is updated simultaneously on every device. So you no one has to ***** about having to wait.

Can you believe that with next big rumoured update WIndows phone 7 might even match android feature to feature and have flash when some of the people out there are still waiting for android 2.2 update.

Windows phone 7 will probably sneak up on Android and take it over in the next few months when it comes to features. Ofcourse you might not be able to hack it and customize it but with time that will come. I am sure 90% of the users are not even like us and leave the phone as it is.

I am just waiting for better phones to come out that don't looke cheap, I might jump on dell's venue pro in a few months or later if I dont get around to it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^Tip

Get you a Google phone if want updates. Not a phone that says "with Google".

Stay away from any Dell phone.

The only feature WP7 has over Android, WebOS etc.. is Zune. That's it.

Another thing, once Apple takes the "integration" route, then what? I'm sure they will know how to market their contacts, and pictures apps a whole lot better than Microsoft. I can already see the lines of people outside of Apple stores, that can't wait to get their hands on this "Revolutionizing" feature from Apple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
I personally think this is a bit judgmental and misguided. Looking at things individually within WP7, they equal or are better than the other OS's. The missing features are what all the others have been saying that make it better than WP, which is correct to that extent.

Yes, WP has Zune which is far better, but in saying that, a lot of people like iTunes, and even though it's horrible on Windows, I’ve heard that it's pretty rock solid on OSX. So I think Zune is a matter of opinion for some, but let me more move towards other features like Xbox Integration which is a lot better than the gaming centre that iOS offers (which is just a cheap put-together to combat the Xbox integration). Also, looking at Office integration, no other phone OS really compares to its capabilities, especially with SharePoint capabilities. And when MS does integrate SkyDrive support as well (some rumour it to be part of January update, but MS is staying "mum" on the update), it will complete the home and work integration.

But aye, this is just an example of an oversight I believe you really have missed. In all the other OS's they have a lot already built up, so it's up to seeing what MS can really pull out of their hat over the next year. I believe 2011 will really define the future space of the smart phones for the next few years. As long as iOS and Android have a good foothold now, I believe things will change and reshape, with some underestimating, and others overestimating what the others can do. I think we should really just give it time, and take your personal preference at present, but don't get hung up on saying one OS is better than another, but more in that the OS really meets your needs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
I'm curious as to how zune is better than anything out there. hell, a CD player is easier to share music on.and there is no dem or time constraints. if all I did was work 9-5 and them run home to sync everything with a desktop, it might make sense, assuming that desktop never had issues. remove the middleman and sine could rock. remove the layers of dem, it could be awesome. allow for wifi, Bluetooth,and emailing of music, it would be incredible! the zune pass seems like a great idea for the years prior to Pandora, but those years are gone.

I've met one person with a zune... even if the squirting of music was dem free, I still wouldn't know who to go share music with.

and while we're on the subject, very few of my library's playlists are from Sony, or other Mafia members. there is a need to SHARE AND ENJOY the type I've begun to like, instead of crippling and locking it down.

the interface was very very pretty, but the usability was not there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i couldn't understand at all what you were talking about when you said "dem" until i realised you mean "DRM". DRM is only there for stuff that you stream. I believe if you use the 10 songs purchase, or purchase songs seperately they're DRM free. I personally am not from the US so I don't have experience with zune pass, but if you're talking dlna streaming, then yes, i don't believe it's in there. they should add it for sure.

but you can do quite a bit with WP and zune desktop such as wifi syncing, meaning no need to connect it up to the pc, just just on the network.

If you're in the US you get a lot of freedom. Have you ever tried the social part of zune before? that's just one of the features that Apple stole for MS and called it their own in iTunes. Yes, Zune is crippled for a lot of other regions (e.g. in Australia we don't have it along with things like purchasing music, and the zune pass) but that's because they haven't worked out a deal with the money hungry record companies.

But anyways, speaking about it from the US perspective (which considering you brought up Zune Pass you're probably there) it's far less crippled than you make out. I believe you should try it first before tearing it to threads. It's a lot more capable than you think.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
ZunePass Subscription music (Streamed or Downloaded) is DRM'd.

If you use you credits or buy a song it's downloaded in 320 kbps bitrate MP3 format - obviously without DRM.

Microsoft's media library is now bigger than most competitors exept maybe iTunes and Amazon (unsure on the latter) - certainly bigger than Rhapsody, Spotify, etc. The 10 free songs a month means you pay a net $4.99 to stream and download unlimited amounts of music. The software is great to boot.

Windows has 90%+ desktop marketshare. iTunes/QuickTime being horrible on Windows is not the opinion of few. Lots of people have been complaining about QuickTime (and later iTunes) on Windows (QuickTime for at least a decade). Apple doesn't care. They just need to get the software here.

They don't care about following UI standards, etc. You can't even get an app into their Mac App Store if it looks on MacOSX the way QuickTime/iTunes looks on Windows. They're hypocrites. The software has performance issues, as well as a history of hijacking file associations, mime types iin the browser, etc.

It's fine on OS/X. The software was coded primarily for Apple's OS and even on Windows it looks and in many cases functions like an OS/X application. That's part of the problem. It's also bloated as hell and installs useless components without giving you a choice (like that printer **** it always throws on your computer).

Apple needs to get off their asses and just release the Codecs and DirectX filters for their file formats for Windows the way Microsoft has for Macs. No one wants to install their 300MB+ viral monstrosity on a computer just to look at a podcast (don't you hate podcasters who put their crap in apple formats when they know a majority of the world don't have apple computers, just to help Apple push out iTunes and QuickTime?).

/rant

If you hadn't noticed. I really hate QuickTime/iTunes. I've given it enough chances, so it's not blind hatred.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
Very well put, and I couldn't agree with you more. I do not have iTunes on any of my computers. I cannot stand it. It is a piece of junk software that's sole purpose is to connect you and your wallet to Apple. The interface is clunky and looks like something written for Windows 95.

Zune is the opposite, in my opinion. I have been using it since before I ever had a Zune. The software has always been interesting, if not different. The current iteration is well laid out, easy to use, and looks incredible on a big screen (LCD TV). I use it whenever I have parties and people are always asking what it is. If someone hasn't used Zune extensively, I can understand why they might think it's limited. Once you dig deeper, you will realize it's truly a very capable media environment.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
I just wonder:

These topics of comparison WP7 Vs. IOS Vs. Android; never have real statistical data.

Because instead of being a dispute over I know, I love, I hate, that's good, that's bad, it's wonderful, it's crap, somebody starts to put data on battery life with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth On and off. 30minutes Connection, 2 hours listening to music in each of these devices and opens a Real Thread, where they will be impartial and real data, as opposed to biased opinions and positions ...

Do not know if We need these comparative thread without "facts" and "data".
[Windows Phone 7 General] sadoway:
optimus 7 has dlna. just a matter of time before there's a generic dlna app
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
yea, aware of that. just speaking on a general level. sure it will come.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
on a forum where rampant fanboys like myself love to argue just to see how big our e ego can be stroked you bring in facts and actual intellect in this? I shake my head at you =;(

but in all seriousness it is a great point and the only thing I can direct to in terms of real life statistical performance is the pocket now comparison/contrast videos that compare wp7 (not rtmed but not much has changed) to other OSes except RIM and symbian.

There are also other comparison videos that note in terms of programs and customizability, android is a more mature product. But many reviewers have often said after testing a wp7 device, they will (and have used) the device as their main phone just because of how everything works well out of the box and things are very fast.

Actually...

http://gizmodo.com/5610003/how-to-improve-your-androids-battery-life

its a known issue that android is a power guzzler...that's not some fanboyish rant for wp7 v android, its fact. I can't get a day out of 4 devices (2 of which are s amoled, heck I can get barely 7 hours with stock or custom builds!). That's not to say that the hd7 has great battery, because it lasts about the same as android, but to say that battery life on android is good, is grossly incorrect.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
As posted earlier, battery life sucks across the board in the smartphone market.

And as far as Android OS being a beta product, all you have to do look at the section here, and the social answers MS board and see what MS rushed out to this holiday season - beta software with mediocre functionality and usability, yet with a polished UI - happy scrolling.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
I did not say anything to get real facts and not that they exist.

The point is:

Compare opinions based only on what is said and feel is no statistic. That's it.

Now pick three machines with different OS and submit them to the same tests, but for me it is a fairer comparison.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
Well of course you have to make certain trade-offs.

You can't have a device that lets you do more, is widget enabled, has an awesome and changeable UI, has LWPs (if you choose to use them) and allows for so many more options, and not expect to pay for it with slightly less efficient battery power.

Any xda power user should be able to apply the right tweaks anyways to handle any poor battery.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
2 of the 3 LG's (Panther and Quantum) definitely have dlna. i think the optimus 7 has it too, but i'm not sure.

it actually seems like only HTC left it out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The HD7 has a small battery, as well (same size as HD2).
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
again... all LG phones. The DLNA streaming is an app that LG created for their phones only. Until other OEMs offer it, or MS releases API, it will be exclusive to LG phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JoePR31:
Good post...I whole heartedly agree. What I get tired of is people saying that WP7 fails because v1.0 doesn't have copy/paste or 3rd party multitasking. Sure, those things are missing. But, those deficiencies are about to be addressed.

Still, most of the haters/fanboys refuse to look at what MS got right, which is EVERYTHING else. I own a representative device from every one of the 4 major mobile OS'. I don't care about brand loyalty (although I will admit to having a strong dislike for the way Apple does business...and every time I listen to Jobs speak in public, I feel a stong urge to punch him in the face). I was curious, but very skeptical when I first bought my HD7. My skeptism was short lived. After a week of use, I find myself loving both the phone...and WP7.

Right out of the starting gate, MS got the things that matter most right. The few things they left out are about to be addressed. So, why still all the hate?
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
It's not hate it's just discussion, this whole thread is subjective.

Have you seen the bugs thread? They still have a lot to work out. But yeah it IS only a month old and what I like about WP7 is the fact that it is SO different, so now I have something new and different to play with, but to say that it's bested Android is pretty bold.

It's pretty funny though that you don't like Apple or how Jobs does business but you like WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] quad2012:
I can agree on comparing the wp7 to the iOS but android really is different, as a HTC desire owner (which has equal processor + gpu as wp7 phones do) I have to admit that android has great functions and you really can customize about everything but its undeniable sluggish and slow compared to iOS and wp7, even an iPhone 3g runs smoother and more responsive than a overclocked desire with 2.2.1 but I guess google and its partners want it this way as they can sell much more devices, quite the same story as with pc's - dont waste time on optimizing just wait for the next hardware generation to come.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
@orangekid thanks for sticking around and being respectful in your wordings of late.

As mentioned by others, each platform has it's strengths and weaknesses, and I would never say one is better than another. But yea, MS does need to pick up on what is missing, but what is there is awesome. Each day feels so long of a wait for an update, and yet I gotta remind myself I've only had my phone for a month.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
so basically all I could glean from this is that you never want to actually pay for the music you listen to...

What is on the phone functions just fine, I think the most common bug is the marketplace bug that closes marketplace. I haven't had any other bugs and I doubt the majority of the users have either. This isn't beta, it's a very functional product that Microsoft will not implement features on until they are polished.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
No worries.

And the honest truth is I like iOS, Android, AND WP7.

All 3 offer some awesome **** but in different flavors. The real loser here is RIM imo and I see them losing the marketshare they enjoyed for so long. Even Android "fanboys" should be hoping for WP7 success because it will increase the competition and force Google to stay ahead and continue with updates and such, and will also force Steve Jobs to step his game up in iOS. More competition means good times for consumers. Cheaper phones, more updates. If Google ran a monopoly on this, they wouldn't have incentive to keep the prices low and the quality high.

I bet even now Google is looking at the WP7 gameplan and trying to get their phones "on the same page" as they phase out the MT3G and G1 and lower end phones. They are the leader in Video Chat (since you don't have to jailbreak to do it over WiFi and you can go across networks officially, e.g. Evo with MT4G). Android leads the field in the UI department, it also has the edge in options and settings, as well as development (which we all love @ XDA).

But WP7 leads the pack in efficiency, and with iOS in simplicity out the box. WP7 does give us a lot of awesome, much has been mentioned in this thread.

But honestly I hope all 3 OS's succeed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
Am i actually reading this correct? do you believe that with zune the only way you can get music is from the zune marketplace? cos that really is a retard statement. I don't use a zune pass and yet i use zune i have had a zune hd and loved it so much i now use zune on my phone and my pc. If you want the share music then share it i dont get how wp7 has made this difficult for you. I use a website based in russia to get my music ubber cheap but i can deffo see why zune pass is suck great value and an amazing idea. Basically what i am saying is this that it is not locked down as far as music is concerned it even lets you add your own album art for say when you have local bands demos etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
This is quite true if i remember right isn't android 3 going to be much less customisable and more 3d and polished with more strict rules on hardware.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ no it just adds better support for tablets(if you haven't seen it, its amazing). Android is open and Google can only make recommendations. However they can make requirements for the use of their apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
That's not true - infact just the opposite.

Former T-Mobile and Apple executive Leslie Grandy reports some pretty harsh words about Google's Open Handset Alliance. We've heard grumblings before about control in open source projects, but now an unnamed former leader of an OHA member company is calling the OHA 'oligarchical,' and said, 'The power is concentrated with the Google employees who manage the open source project. The Open Handset Alliance is another myth.

"The power is concentrated with the Google employees who manage the open source project"

Google is responsible for Android product management and the engineering process for the core framework and platform; however, the project considers contributions from any source, not just Google. This page describes the kinds of roles that interested parties can take on.

http://source.android.com/source/roles.html
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
This is way off topic but my statement still stands. Wont repeat it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The problem is that you're using Open in too liberal a manner.

It's open source.

It's not wholly open source.

It's not necessarily Open. Even closed OSes can be hacked (WM, WebOS) or Jailbroken (iOS). That doesn't make them open. It just makes them less secure than you'd like them to be :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Again this is off topic, open a thread and ill gladly show you the right information. My statement still stands.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
Open Source just means it follows the GNU license. Android does, iOS, WM, and WP7 do not. Android devs HAVE to share their source code per the license, they are not allowed to not release it. WP, WM, iOS, RIM do not have to release the source code if they don't want to.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Cause the gpl is the only os license.

Keep talking, bud. Destroy your credibility with this crap.

There are ways to lock down something if it's open source. Google essentially does that with its app and the market.

People have been doing this type of stuff for over a decade. Theres a difference between open source and open. Thats as far as im going with this.

Good corporations always decouple their IP from the open system, as google has.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ funny story. Google apps and market aren't part of Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
No, but they do affect the OS, which is open source. I believe that was his point. Just look at OSX, it is based on "open source" yet you can not install it on anything that it doesn't come already loaded on. In other words, Apple has complete and total control over something that is supposedly open.

Compare that with Windows, which everyone wants to call closed, and what do you see different? You can install Windows on any hardware that is compatible. It doesn't matter where you buy the hardware, or from whom you buy it. In addition, peripherals, add-in cards, and virtually anything you want to add to Windows is possible. Apple doesn't allow many manufacturers to provide drivers (i.e. video cards, wireless adapters, etc.).

Which system is more open? Don't fall for the "open source" kool-aid nonsense. All it means is that it didn't require the company utilizing to license it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
OSX is not based on open source, it is BSD licensing.

Sent from my bionix powered Vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
and the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
BSD is an open source license. Are you that dense?

God... Where do you people come from?

It's actually one of the less restrictive open source licenses in existence.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Again this is off topic, too.

I'm in a good mood today! Without cleaning, or locks, yet ....
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
I love how things turn to licenses, why does it even matter at all? If a product can be customized it can if it can't it can't simples. I just take stuff for what it is I do love that I can set out android how I like but I have also set out my hd7 as I like and thankfully they already had a sleek sexy GUI. It makes no diff to price quality or end product its just legal rubbish.

PS yay my controversial thread is still open go me lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Last point on the licensing

http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/mac-os-x-1065/

Just click the links under license to pull up the terms.

And N8ter BSD licensing is not GPL