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[EVO 4G General] topdawgn8:
The ITU specifies 100 Mbps for mobile platforms and 1 Gbps for fixed platforms. And you're right about sprint and 4G. They used the marketing campaign before the ITU ratified the standard. I think Sprint justifies the use of the buzzword since it had to build up entirely new infrastructure (Clear, whoever...follow the money I say).

Edit: As stated above, Sprint's/Clear's 4G is not 4G as specified by the ITU; however it is closer to "4G" than TMo's HSPA+ network which can never evolve to 4G.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
This is Verizon we're talking about.. they have ENDLESS money and if they say they're going to do it 9 times out of 10 they're going to do it. Honestly from what i've used and compared between wimax and Verizon's LTE in Atlanta their coverage is already better here. One thing is for certain though, I get LTE in my house... but no wimax...

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/120110-verizon-lte-network-to-go.html
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Yup. Ill re link the source later but Verizon plans to have a huge amount of initial coverage. Definitely eclipsing what Sprint started with and possibly surpassing what it has now.
[EVO 4G General] T3hPWN:
Wimax2 FTW! Just be glad that your evo is backwards compatible with this technology :-) and yes its at 1gbs it will most likely be scaled down but im sure it will still be significantly good. another thing i dont hear about is you can have the fastest network but if you expect to download **** really fast you might want to upgrade the class on that sd to keep up with the speed.
[EVO 4G General] leenypost:
In NYC where we have the most dense buildings probably in the world I am presently sitting in my office in midtown Manhattan on the 10th floor of a huge skyscraper and have full bars of 4g on my EVO and a speedtest shows 9.50 Mbps down and 1.o Mbps up (Sprint throttles down to 1, starts off test at about 2) and the closest window to my office is over 100 feet away from me... Best of all, no windows open in the building and the glass is thicker than most peoples front doors.

My point is... If LTE is better I really don't care... WiMax is certainly good enough.
[EVO 4G General] christian_evo:
Why would it be wrong to charge someone a fee to go through the rooting process for them? There are tons of people with no technical know-how whatsoever (even with instructions) that would love to have a rooted phone.

Do you pay a mechanic for auto work? Isn't the process-related info on changing your brakes/oil/muffler/etc. available for free?

Where's the problem?
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Dude, keyword is DOWNTOWN. Hell coverage here downtown is great too and that's no surprise since they put a lot of towers there. The good coverage downtown doesnt do anything for me being that I dont live or work there neither do the majority of the people in Atlanta. Just from looking at the clear coverage map in New York they have a TON of towers downtown just like they do here. But for the suburban areas where people actually live its sketchy just like it is here.

If im going to pay for it I want to be able to use it where I am the most which is why the fact that LTE actually penetrates buildings in areas OUTSIDE of downtown for those that dont live right next to a tower catches my interest.
[EVO 4G General] leenypost:
Downtown, Midtown, Uptown and the outer boroughs all have good service here.. I have great service in Jamaica Queens where I live which is completely residential... Key word is not downtown for me... I have no doubt that they will get Atlanta running better as time goes on. Service has gone from decent to very good at this point in NYC in a matter of a few months. There are still some dead zones here or there but hell, I have 3g dead zones too, LOL

My point was that... It is said Verizons LTE penetrates walls better... I say based on my experiences... If you can penetrate NYC skyscrapers thats plenty good enough so WiMax is just fine on Speed and penetration. LTE is not going to be some revelation that makes WiMax obsolete.
[EVO 4G General] stangdriverdoug:
Agreed......
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
You dont seem to get it. First of all NYC is condensed as hell... its not relative to the majority of cities. The majority of people in NY live IN NYC... all of them are compact into one tight little area which is why it seems like the covg is so good.

Look at that map, look at ALL the towers INSIDE the city. THATS why you have no problem getting service in buildings down there. You simply cant compare that to the MAJORITY of other cities where clear has coverage because like here, the majority of the people live in the suburbs.. NOT the city.

Now on the flip side, this is the coverage for the most densely populated county in the Atlanta metro area. And currently Clear has no plans to expand their coverage here. Dont think just because what you have there is nice that its that way everywhere. And as a matter of fact Atlanta actually went live BEFORE NYC.

If you have a MILLION towers within a 25 mile radius sure you wont have a problem getting building penetration. But can you please use your theory to explain why I sit directly in between two clear towers, within a half mile of both and get no coverage inside? Yet Verizon has LTE on their tower a mile away and I can get THREE bars inside??

You keep talking about the density of the buildings.. well from looking at that map clearly that doesnt mean much when the majority of them probably have a tower sitting right on top of it.
[EVO 4G General] Khilbron:
If your that disgruntled by it, by all means switch to Verizon's LTE network, and enjoy your 5gb monthly limit. I have zero issues with my 4g signals anywhere within 50miles of nashville, TN. Plus the unlimited cap means that when I need it, its there. I can burn 5gb in nothing flat, so verizon can go sit on their coverage high horse. I will enjoy my unlimited data.
[EVO 4G General] Justin.G11:
You hear the bass first because most "car audio buffs" are morons who think 200 cubic feet of air need 1200watts and and x4 10" woofers cause "you can totally feel it man"!!! What they are actually doing is creating muddy, sloppy garbage that drowns out every other sound to the point that they wouldn't notice if you removed their mids completely. Your perception of the bass being heard first isn't because it's faster ... it's because it's killing out any other sound that would otherwise possibly reach your ears. I think they have thier ear canal mounted somewhere in their taint ... it's the only reason they setup audio that way to make sure sound reaches them.

"Car audio" guys are the bane of real audio enthusiasts.
[EVO 4G General] MvP77:
Im loving tmobiles pricing, wich is no extra for 4G!
[EVO 4G General] leenypost:
You seem upset at me becuase my 4g coverage map has more towers than yours, LOL... I do completely get it... We have more towers, however, the amount of towers has nothing to do with how well surfaces are penetrated by the specific frequencies that wimax uses. And if you've ever been to NYC you would know that the amount of towers shown on that list is less than .0000000001 percent of the buildings that are contained within the 5 boroughs. The more people that use the towers, the weaker your speed will become and in NC where we have an extremely dense population as well as extremely dense walls and building structures my point was simply that WiMax has enough penetration and speed (WHEN PROPERLY SET UP, if adding that makes you feel better) to serve anyone's purposes for phone internet usage and even WiFi tethering as I have powered 2 xbox's on XBL playing call of duty at the same time without even a hitch of lag on 4G.

I have no idea as to why you were insistant that I am somehow saying anything other than "WiMax speeds and penetration work well so LTE is not going to change the game that much"

If they set up the same amount of towers in Atlanta for LTE as they have right now for WiMax your coverage would probably suck just as bad I suppose... It is not the technologies fault, it is the providers for incorrect setup...

My reference was about the technology and what it is capable of, nothing more and nothing less.

EDIT: And you are incorrect about where we live. That picture you have shows about half of Manhattan only (the lower half which is business mostly). Most people that live in NY live in the upper half of Manhattan (which us new yorkers refer to as "the city"), Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx

EDIT 2: If you are getting this coverage data from Clear themselves you are also not getting correct data. Sprint does not have full use of all of clears towers and also clear has some towers that are exclusive to Sprint that most likely would not show up on clears maps as normal clear subscribers can not use them.
[EVO 4G General] MegaThrasher:
You can reach the 5GB datacap on 4g LTE in like half an hour.

Sent from my D2G running Fission 2.4.3
[EVO 4G General] briangtbc:
Slight correction. You have Gwinnett county pictured there. DeKalb county is actually the most densely populate county in the Atlanta metro area. Carry on...
[EVO 4G General] JKingDev:
With this debate one thing seems to have been forgotten. It is not that LTE iss better than wimax, is that Verizon is deploying LTE on a lower (ie better) frequency. And LTE is better :P. LTE is more suitable as a phone standard for reasons such as power consumption, hand-offs between 3G ect. LTE is becoming the industry standard.

No one is trying to convince anyone to switch. If the service you have works good for you keep it! The point being made is that if Sprint has great service in NYC Verizon could accomplish the same QOS with less towers. Less towers means lower cost and faster deployment. By 2013 Verizo LTE will be nation wide, encompasing what the VZW 3G network covers today. I do not see Sprint coming close to this with a 4G rollout, especially since they might switch to LTE, essentially starting over (if Sprint does change to LTE, it is not because of building penetration; this is a function of the frequency not the wireless protocol; if they switch it would be because of the other reasons I mentioned above). Obviously though, you do not need nationwide coverage if you do not travel much so if what you have works for you now, by all means keep it. Personally I am excited to switch to verizon to be on the cutting edge of wireless tech.
[EVO 4G General] MvP77:
Same discussion i had awhile back. I was telling a guy at the sprint store how tmo "4G" is the best for me because I avg 7-10mbs with tmo. I also didnt have to switch radios on or off. Compared to my Evo were the highest i saw on 4G was 5mb and that was when i could get a signal. So i made the switch back to tmo. I hated to let my evo go, but with the poor 3G speeds and almost non existent 4G speeds it made my favorite app, Slingplayer, useless. If you are getting great speeds with sprints 4G then great, you gotta go with works for you.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
And the coverage for Dekalb is even worse than what I posted above so im not even going to bother showing that one. I have no problem with Sprint I personally just think wimax is BS at this point. I didnt really realize it until I moved away from being right next to a tower. And when I am able to get 4G the ping is almost unbearable. Its nice sometimes, mostly when im DOWNTOWN or right next to a tower but the practicality of it otherwise is pretty useless for me now. And it really doesnt make it any better for me that my 3G down im only able to get about .5 mb and thats on a good day.

Just pisses me off to sit in here with my girl and she has a droid X and her data speed crushes mine. Oh and I think its already been confirmed that the 5Gig cap is for data cards not phones. I mean eh it may sound bitter but thats just how I see it. I REALLY wish tmobile had better coverage here though.
[EVO 4G General] JKingDev:
Isnt that the story everywhere? :p

I kinda think wimax looks like a dead end. I wonder if and how soon sprint might start deploying lte or if they will stick to their guns.

On another note (more on topic also) I would like to see if it would be possible to get a data only plan for an android handset and how much that would cost. Nationwide LTE (and 3G in the meantime is plenty) + google voice + gingerbread + SIP = pure win. Would anyone disagree? :D Google is beatin' the industry with a mean ol' stick.
[EVO 4G General] MvP77:
I see alot of people say that, but i honestly have great coverage with Tmo. Even better than I had with Sprint, and i live in Kansas City. Sprints headquaters is in Kansas City. Maybe Tmo service is not so good out in the sticks, but im never to far outside a major city so im good.
[EVO 4G General] jimk16:
verizon lte is a joke, your rates are VERY off as of now the unlimited plan for only internet on a usb is $60 with $30 unlimited on a plan smartphone, the same "basic" pricing will probably be about the same but every one is saying it is going to replace comcast and land lines but i don't think 4g will ever catch me for my $30 a month price for unlimited

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1129392594.png

even all the way down in florida my speeds are over twice that of lte

besides comcast has been planning to get into the 4g buisness themselves also they have been planning it before sprint they bought out the same company (sprint and comcast will both be useing clearwire) sprint has already started but and that is going to only be 20 more a month for the service over so with comcast for $130 you get unlimited land line internet with speeds like the ones i have posted plus hd tv plus a phone line plus 4g mobile network, i can't see verizon EVER keeping up price wise i have only seen about 18-20 mb download speeds with verizon.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Why are you posting CABLE internet speedtests? Thats pointless. We dont care what kinds of speeds you're getting with a home internet connection.. I could easily post a Verizon FIOS speedtest and crush everything you posted here but that has NOTHING to do with this discussion. This is the dumbest post in this whole thread smh.
[EVO 4G General] jimk16:
cause comcast is going to have wireless mobile with those speeds soon fo only 20 a month extra

but i'd love to see you post better speeds. I have never seen anyone get my speeds and i know a few people with fios ultimate and they don't get half my down speed, only better up. and they can never run a trace or a ping route like i can.
[EVO 4G General] clamknuckle:
Comcast is not going to have mobile speeds of 100 Mb/s anytime soon, unless they have secretly constructed a WiMAX 2 network.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
lol a little low on the upload speeds there arent you? :P
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Those are not real unless you hacked a bootfile,or paying $189 for 100 extreme, or some DNS washup.....

Hmmmmmm in guessing dns. Because comcast offers 10 up with 100 down...
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Also comcast will not offer 100 on wireless. They will offer the same as clear and actually already do which is called highspeed2go
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Which means 11-12 megs tops... and thats only in bursts.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Yeah and its $30 extra added with your home internet which is $45-72 =$75-$110..
[Epic 4G General] sultan.of.swing:
This is not a bash thread. I owned the epic for roughly 4 months. It is a very good phone. Reason I dropped it was due to it felt cheap. The phone was pretty loose concerning the slider. Also I never used the keyboard. The amoled screen is nice but I needed a bigger screen. So I switched to the evo. And from what I can tell during normal everyday use is that its just as fast. I don't game and I know the epic is better for gaming. I still think the epic is a damn good phone. Just sharing my experience. Also even with gps turned on so far the battery life on the evo is a little bit better. It does not get hot during web browsing like the epic did.

Im still here though. Been here since the epic launched and still glad to try to help other if they need it.
[Epic 4G General] thephawx:
My only complaint with Samsung is the software. They make awesome hardware, though. I think they do it on purpose because if they matched a software engineer to eke out everything from the hardware, you wouldn't really care about buying a new phone so much.
[Epic 4G General] p-niiice:
Even though Samsung sucks at supporting their Products, it'll be hard to go to any inferior screen.
[Epic 4G General] Electrofreak:
Not sure how you can get better battery life on a stock EVO. The hardware in the Epic is simply more power efficient than the EVO, it's a fact.
[Epic 4G General] suzook:
Love the epic...agree the slider mech sux....
[Epic 4G General] imwillzillla:
Ive never seen a problem with the sliding mech. Matter a fact I also have a moment and the intercept and those mechs are fine as well. I don't see how they're bad.

Anyway At this point jumping to the Evo isn't a bad idea at all if you want to. All of this "Epic is just a better machine" means squat when it's not even updated with an official Froyo yet. It's like having the most advanced yatch in a desert.

I for one love my epic but the second something esle comes along. I think i'll be leaving myself. Unless the device that comes along is also made by samsung. Then no thanks.
[Epic 4G General] sultan.of.swing:
Well stock 2.2 battery life so far is great. Stock for stock there pretty close honestly. The epics display eats a ton of battery.

Also another thing I am noticing. On the epic I used roam control due to no sprint signal at work. If I left it on automatic the epic would lose signal, the radio would then reset itself 2 times before it would go to roam. So I used roam control to just roam only. On the evo it seemlessly switches between home and roam without completely losing the radio.
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
No it doesn't. Its actually much more efficient than the Evo's.
[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
Agreed. The Tegra 2 LG Optimus looks pretty appealing, if it gets the advertised battery life. Wonder if it'll come out for Sprint.

That said, I do play some Super Mario now & then on the Epic. The keyboard + Game Gripper is nice for that. I can't do the screen controls, too slow.

I love the Epic to death, but Samsung support sucks.
[Epic 4G General] mmegalodon:
To the person mentioning switching ... HTC shift.

I know a few buddies who went from the epic to the Evo. Both good devices. Sprint kind of limited.

SWYPED from my SUPASONIC
[Epic 4G General] chino0131:
Evos a great phone. I had both the epic and the evo, switched back and forth for awhile before deciding in the Epic. The epic IMO is quicker, but the development on the Evo may have changed that by now, idk. I will say that my evo always had better battery life than my epic. Same apps and same usage, both with the Evo on 2.1 and 2.2. Battery isnt a big deal to me personally tho since I always keep a spare battery. Enjoy your Evo. I personally miss the development compared to the epic, but im hopeful that that will changer soon. If you end up not liking it, sell it. I sold mine for twice what I paid. My wife just sold her second evo for $550 cash off craigslist.
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
I've had a person on Craigslist practically begging me to switch his 1 month old Evo, for my epic. I have been really torn between what to do. I really like this phone, and it is only gonna get better when 2.2 offically releases and the source code drops. I think I would regret it if I traded and it turned out the epic is being pushed beyond what any other phone has done before performance wise with the release of the source. T-mobile just got their release for 2.2 today, so hopefully we are not far behind (ya I know, we are on CDMA).
[Epic 4G General] herzzreh:
Whoa.... Vibrant got an official update? I didn't see anything on those forums...
[Epic 4G General] fczeuner:
I haven't seen anything about the Vibrant getting official Froyo today...Do you have a link
[Epic 4G General] ranchosteve:
The epic is my first samsung. I always have HTC from the ppc 6700 to the evo. I switched from the evo. Even tho I do agree the epic feel's cheap, but it does have better hardware than the evo.

Deal breaker for me was the camera, I was Surprised how crappy the evo was to take pic's, but at least the epic sux's less, it's actually pretty good.

Development is slower, but it's still gets plenty of love. I for one don't plan on flashing every other day.
[Epic 4G General] Tahde:
If its the release that I think your speaking of. It was for T-Mobile (UK) not T-Mobile (USA). I thought the same thing once I read about it, but read more and its for the UK.

I have both the Epic and the EVO. I love both phones, but I like the EVO a bit better. I'm sure my reasoning is totally different from others (as expected). I would love to compare the two with 2.2, but for obvious reason I cannot. I'm VERY tempted on rooting my Epic finally. Battery life (for me, as I cant speak for others) have been great on both. But again, everyone has their different uses on their phones.
[Epic 4G General] Bobbywatts:
Well imop, I wouldn't of down graded... When they come out with a better phone damn near every 6 months. I would've stuck with the Epic till something better came out ( like the dual processor ) thats coming... But if you got-it like that just to buy 500 dollar phones because it feel cheesy ( And I agree ) then you made the right decison... :confused:
[Epic 4G General] herzzreh:
But in reality 500 bucks for a phone like Epic isn't bad at all. Us American just got used to super subsidized phones...
[Epic 4G General] idontwanttostudy:
In my opinion, I think the Epic is a great phone, the only complaint I would make is the battery life. Then again I use my phone constantly and run many tasks at the same time, but I'm sure emulators don't help either lol. As for the slider, that made all the difference when debating on buying an epic or evo. Even if it is a little loose the qwerty is almost perfectly spaced and is probably the best one i have used on any phone (and I have gone through a lot). As for the software we all knew that Samsung sucked at providing it, but thanks to hard working people there are plenty of ways to get the newest android versions through ROMs which don't take too much work to use.

Personally I don't plan on changing my epic until it can no longer support newer android versions, but that's just me
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
Here is the link, 1 of out of 2 I saw today for T mobile customers getting Froyo for their Galaxy S phones.

http://www.onlinesocialmedia.net/20101201/froyo-comes-to-t-mobiles-samsung-galaxy-s-users/
[Epic 4G General] bigboi3021:
Coming from the perfection of the Tilt 2's keyboard I figured that anything else would pale in comparison and I was right. Its a small price to pay for the horsepower, media experience, 4G, cheaper bill, unlimited everything, call quality, data consistancy, and the all important SCREEN!
[Epic 4G General] abanh:
It seems like the Epic's screen is a power hog, and for some reason 3g radio in the Epic seems more of a power hog than the Evo. Check anandtech's review for battery life comparison. Seems like Motorola's Droid series seems to get the best battery life on Android.

I have an Evo, and my brother has an Epic. The Epic has a beautiful screen, but I don't need the keyboard and would have preferred no keyboard for a thinner phone. Both phones are great though so you can't go wrong with either one.
[Epic 4G General] sultan.of.swing:
Agree. Web browsing on the epic kills the battery quick. Due to the huge power consumption of the screen.

People can say what they want but the display of the epic is a battery hog.
[Epic 4G General] snowmanwithahat:
Absolutely... I really think i might return mine for another epic just to see if mine's defective. It's so loose