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[Galaxy Tab General] crippleb0y:
I completly agree with the slingshot and jagged rock part. However, it's wrong to say that the tab falls faster than a phone. In empty space, a piece of cotton falls just as fast as a lump of lead. Falling speed is only affected by air resistance. If you were to drop a nexus one and a galaxy tab into the grand canyon, the nexus would actually hit the bottom before the tab since it is heavier compared to the tabs larger surface area (and therefore less affected by air resistance).

If the tab falls to the ground and lands on one of it's sides or corners, the tab is quite vounerable due to the glass that streches all the way to the edges, barely protected by a thin frame. The "heavy" weight of the tab would build up more kinetic energy than that of a phone. And more kinetic energy = harder impact = higher probability of shattered glass. Gorillaglass is very hard, scratch resistant and durable with "head on" impacts. But like any other glass, it's brittle, and the weak spot goes all around the sides and especially the corners.

As many have said before me. It's all in the "how it falls", which translates to: how much of a lucky bastard are you really? :eek:
[Galaxy Tab General] jnutz:
You have missed my point again. I didn't say the TAB falls faster because it is heavier. I sad it reaches terminal velocity faster because it is heavier. So in any given distance it is going to reach terminal velocity quicker than say a cell phone of lighter mass. This has to do with the amount of influence gravity has on it which is directly proportionate to it's mass!

Elementary!

Let them both fall one foot and the TAB will be going faster after having traveled that one foot than something of lesser mass.

Add to that the increased weight of the TAB and we can figure out using basic math that it is going to impact with more inertial force than a lighter object that is traveling less fast.

Let me look up the exact weight of both devices and I will calculate exactly how far each device has to fall before it reaches terminal velocity.
[Galaxy Tab General] crippleb0y:
Well, I'm not too sure what good old Newton has to say about that. But I do know for sure that I don't want either one of us to experience having our tabs getting ass whooped by gravity :) Have a good night
[Galaxy Tab General] Tpain76:
Dude, we're dropping the tab like 30cm in air. Whats all this jazz about terminal velocity?
[Galaxy Tab General] Croak:
It's all about mass with the glass. Which is why I never ever ever had a complaint about the weight and feel of my Galaxy S...ultra light means less kinetic energy being transferred to the point of impact.

But to make you feel better, go do some searches on "dropped my iPad". More mass, and bigger glass (but not thicker) means less structural strength and an even higher likelihood of the display cracking.
[Galaxy Tab General] qipengart:
Time to invent an otterbox case for this sucker.
[Galaxy Tab General] josephversace:
Did you ever get the screen replaced? How much was it?
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
Galaxy Tab P1000 repairs, Galaxy Tab P1000 parts, Galaxy Tab P1000 Digitizer repair
[Galaxy Tab General] Limeproszero:
Mine felt down more then twice (~1m20), every time glas downwards on the street, it's not even scrached :-)
[Galaxy Tab General] pgh1969pa:
It's not the manufacturer's fault you dropped your tab and they do not warranty against mishandling. Read your warranty before contacting CS.

Drops are random. Two identical panels when dropped will break / not break depending on how they impact. Glass strength is not uniform. It can be strong in one axis of load and weak in another. The load distribution also determines the failure probability. You can bang your fist on tempered glass and not break it but a small, metal punch with less force can cause it to shatter into a thousand pieces.

There is no such thing as unbreakable glass.
[Galaxy Tab General] idumych:
Just so you guys know, there IS an Otterbox for the tab already.

http://www.amazon.com/Otterbox-Defe...SLGC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294601782&sr=8-1
[Galaxy Tab General] Beerkan:
Sorry to read about OP's broken screen. Hope you get it sorted.

I bought a range of cases when I first got my Tab. I tried a few, but the first one I got is still the one I still use today.

With it, my Tab survived a 3ft drop onto a marble tiled kitchen floor, without a scratch. No screen damage, no scratchs, in fact no damage even to the case. I was amazed.

The case I got is this one currently on ebay for £2.95 (inc P&P), and the best £2.95 I ever spent.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/White-Hyrdo-G..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item230cd89eac

I also got their black one, but the clear one is a better fit.

Definately recommended.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] massappeal16:
Looks like they took it down in the market again... is there any way to get it for people that did not get a chance to dl it yet?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] killerbie:
Huh? I tought I saw it in the market today afternoon?

link by me: http://www.mediafire.com/?sgx96xxsd7d0b7x --> z4root.1.3.0
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] massappeal16:
Yea it was up but then its back down now... That link doesnt work now
[Legend General] sturk91:
Any word yet if/when Bell/Virgin will be rolling out 2.2 to Canadian users?

If I don't get it relatively soon I'll probably root. Is that more difficult to do with the Bell build?

Any suggestions from rooted Bell users?
[Legend General] jaStrom:
No word yet. Canadian carriers suck at issuing updates in a timely fashion. I rooted my Legend over the summer and installed the Vodafone 2.2 build recently with no problems. For the root, you'll need to downgrade to the 1.31 RUU before you can successfully root.
[Legend General] MikaelG:
Hi,

I wrote to Virgin Mobile support on November 30 and I got the following answer:
[Legend General] MikaelG:
And before that I wrote to Bell support and never got answered.

Personnaly, I found that «next couple months» is very long!
[Legend General] Asovse1:
Bell never answer questions I email them, HTC Legend related or not.
[Legend General] FourForty:
I made a thread about this over at howardforums. somebody responded saying Virgin is working on it and they expect it to be out in January, and if there are any delays, early February.
[Legend General] EP2008:
I got tired of waiting for Virgin to come out with Froyo, so I rooted and flashed Cyanogen on my Legend and couldn't be happier. There is a bug with voicemail notifications, but I'm sure that will be fixed soon.

When (and IF) Virgin has an update, I'll do it on my wifes phone, but the added features that Cyanogen gives is well worth it.
[Legend General] sturk91:
That's pretty brutal. I love my Legend, but I really regret buying it from Bell. I've had nothing but bad experiences with them.

Which rooting guide has the most success with the Legend?

I'm fairly new to this, so I'll have to do my homework before attempting a root.

Maybe a good December project. :p
[Legend General] kylecore:
i work for virgin mobile and own the legend myself.

I ask my DM, and manger almost weekly about the update only to hear that they have no idea.

I call technical support (store line/regular line) and no one there knows either.

I also check our daily updates.. daily. Only to find nothing about the legend day after day.

I've been holding my breath for the update, but i don't suggest you do the same.
[Legend General] iodine:
Unbrand your phone by installing the WWE version and you will probably get the update faster than Bell or Telus.

Hopefully it's coming Monday.

--io
[Legend General] dubsy54321:
The update is likely only days away so i suppose it's a funny time to ask about debranding.

My main issue is that I don't know what rom to use from the shipped roms website... a little bit of a text explanation would be great.

I still don't know what RUU means... or what WWE is... and i've been actively doing some reading on the subject.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks!
[Legend General] dangal:
go to the wiki!!!! everything is there!!!!
[Legend General] dubsy54321:
Haha, that post was actually quite useful :)

RUU = Rom update utility

WWE = World Wide English

So all I have to do is pick the most recent WWE version and I'm good to go?
[Legend General] mike998:
I got annoyed with the flip-flopping and waited until after the halfway mark in the month. I've rooted my phone and it works perfectly.

I found that Blayo's ROM to run extremely well on the Legend.
[Legend General] QkSi1ver:
Sorry for bumping it again ( I've been monitoring this thread and everytime i see it bumped up, it gives me hope... but only to find out we are all asking the same thing ... WHEN?!!)

Since BELL discontinued the Legend, does this mean when (if?) Virgin releases the OTA update, BELL users like me will get the same VIRGIN update as well show up on our phone?

The post about updating it with the WWE version... if i understand it correctly, the steps are:

1. Create a gold card... i saw a thread about a manual (albeit complicated for the non-techno geek.. ) way and an automated way using a software someone wrote

2. Run the latest WWE that has been posted (this is supposed to debrand our phone so that we can "see" the SOftware Update for WWE, right)

3. Check the Software Update on the phone and i should see the Fryoyo Update. ( I assume if we apply update, the ROM Update (data) it will download on the phone will be billable...or count as your data usage)

Does this sound about right?

I'm keeping this update via WWE as my last option if the OTA does not see the light of day...for us BELL users..
[Legend General] FourForty:
At this point, i'd say it's 70/30 that bell does not get the update. Just because as you've said, it's a discontinued phone for bell. with a small install base.

Hopefully Virgin/Bell decide to push it to bell sets. I'm not sure if they'd have to prepare two versions for that though. From what i understand, we're only a few days away from finding out.

It's funny, Bell Discontinued the Legend because they couldn't keep them in stock due to HTC having a lack of stock because the Amoled screen wasn't being produced fast enough. hence why they switch to a different screen for the Legend. Most people think it was just old or selling poorly when in fact those are both false.
[Legend General] mike998:
There was noise about an update in Mid-Jan from Virgin, Bell as far as I remember has discontinued support and it's unlikely that there's going to be an update. You won't get the OTA update unless Bell releases it. I'm rather dissapointed with the promises that keep being broken for our rather expensive service... Root your 'phone.

The procedure is :

Create a Goldcard. As you mentioned there's very easy to follow guides out there.

Downgrade your phone to an earlier version of the software. This permits rooting your phone.

Root your phone. This will allow you to install a ROM other than the Carrier's ROM.

Install either a stock ROM (WWE) or a custom ROM.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I am using Blayo's ROM, which is almost identical to the stock FroYo ROM, but with a few tweaks that just make the phone feel nicer. I would reccomend looking into some of the other ROMs as well. You may find something you like. Android's about choice and this is one great advantage of rooting your 'phone.
[Legend General] QkSi1ver:
I'm gonna give it up to the end of Jan and if there are no updates, i'll definitely go this way... im out of space to install anything else... angry birds and talking tom are taking so much space... had to remove my talking tom :( to install some smaller apps.
[Legend General] ltjmax:
On Facebook, the guy from Virgin told that they had problems with the update so they are doing more testing...

If you want to be up to date, I really suggest you to root your phone and try a rom. You won't lose any functions on your phone and you'll never have to wait again.
[Legend General] DSI:
Hello there, i'm new to this flashing ROM, rooting and stuff...

In your post, it sounds easy, create a golden-SD (follow the guides), downgrade and update the WWE...

i got lost on the second step... how do you downgrade the phone? I have a VM legend 2.1 w/ update 1 and seems like VM is not giving out the update. I'm thinking going your way but don't know how to downgrade the phone.

Please advise.

Thanks in advance.
[Legend General] mike998:
There is a guide HERE that is really good.

The things to be careful of are :

Make sure your Legend is in USB Debug mode. You will know because you will not only see the usb symbol that indicates the Legend is charging, you will also see a "bug" that indicates USB Debug is active.

The other thing I did was to unzip the hack for legend tools .zip file into the "tools" directory of the android SDK. This ensures that all the programs required by the scripts are available. There are more technical ways to do it, but this is the easiest.

You should make sure when you type crackin.bat you are in this directory.

As the guide says, your phone will reboot five times. Once it's done, check for the "crwxrwxrwx".

Once you are done, check out THIS POST on how to update to the FroYo ROM. Or download BlaYo's ROM, as I'm on Virgin, too and it's functioning perfectly.

Good Luck!
[Legend General] DSI:
Thanks for the info.

So, basically, in order to upgrade to 2.2, i need to root my Legend. And, in order to root my Legend, i need to downgrade it first... is that right?

So there's no way i can just upgrade it to 2.2 directly?

Does 2.2 helps out the battery life? my phone only get about 8hr standby with wifi on and about 1hr talk time... (BT is off, 3G is off, LCD brightness is set as automatic)

Does this sounds normal?

Million thanks in advance.
[Legend General] DSI:
i read both the guide and the downgrading post. Both of them show a different method of rooting the phone. Which method should I be doing for the most easiest way? Like i mentioned, i'm totally new to this stuff....
[Legend General] mike998:
My first link is to the "Downgrade", the second is for the actual rooting (The link to MoDaCo - I found it to be clearest). The rooting procedure, once done will then allow you to load the ROM you'd like.

There are threads here for stock FroYo ROMs, but as we're locked to Virgin Mobile, you have to downgrade to upgrade. I understand that this sounds counter-intuitive, but you can't just load the stock FroYo ROM.
[Legend General] nolook:
you *dont* have to downgrade - you can upgrade the virgin mobile to stock froyo (wwe) rom...just put phone in usb fastboot mode with gold card and run the wwe.exe official htc froyo linked to in the dev section...obviously the phone wont be rooted with this method...

works great and basically improves every aspect of the phone...
[Legend General] QkSi1ver:
Once in Froyo WWE, can we root from there or is this when we have to downgrade? its the whole downgrade to upgrade which is a bit confusing for rooting

Thanks
[Legend General] mike998:
nolook is correct, you don't have to downgrade/root - you could just update with the Virgin Mobile WWE ROM...

Now, have Virgin actually relased that rom? ;) :D

I did send you my email address so if you get any issues when you're trying to do this, you can give me an email.
[Legend General] nolook:
I was referring to the unbranded htc froyo wwe...
[Legend General] mike998:
I stand corrected. I'd forgotten about that.

As I stated, I feel the choice of ROMs available allows me customize my phone to a large degree, from widget placement to now having the ability to install ROMs that allow my phone to either do things that it's not supposed to do with a stock ROM or remove items from ROMs that I never use. I did mull over the idea of installing the stock FroYo ROM at one point as well.

It is this that made me choose an Android device over an iDevice.
[Legend General] DSI:
Thanks for all the info guys.... appreciated.

Just a little note, my VM Legend is unlocked, by code using cellunlock.net, not sure does this make any difference.

From what i understand now, I can directly upgrade my ROM IF AND ONLY IF my phone is running WWE, not VM ROM. Since my phone is still on VM ROM even it has been unlocked, i need to go through the process of down grading, rooting, then upgrade. Is this correct?

** I just want to improve my battery life on this thing, able to read chinese within the browser and SMS, and be able to use the flash LED as a flashlight. I don't really need to have the phone rooted as the stock Froyo 2.2 is fine with me. Will this save me some trouble?
[Legend General] nolook:
no - you are good to go to flash the wwe unbranded froyo rom over the stock vm rom...your phone will still be unlocked too after the upgrade to wwe

i too dont need root for right now...maybe i will for something in the future...
[Legend General] DSI:
so, what do i need exactly then?

based on what you said, i can just flash my phone with the WWE and it'll be updated to 2.2? no downgrading, no rooting rite?

I think i can just look up on how to make a gold-card, but other than that, what else do i need? (i know i need WWE, i think i can search that too, but just in case u have one handy, u have a link for me?)

Any other drivers/SW from HTC needed?

i have Win7, XP and OSX(MAC) handy... which one should i use?

Guys, sorry for all these questions, but i guess asking question is how i learn them... lol...

Million thanks in advance.
[Legend General] mike998:
Hi! *waves* I see your logic as this is a procedure with fewer steps, but you got my reasoning with your last sentance! As I have a rooted phone, I've tried out the CM7 ROMs - Gingerbread! As I mentioned, though, my normal ROM is BlaY0's B0.7 which works perfectly.

If I hadn't rooted, I'd probably be happy not knowing what there was to offer!

I did a quick search in the Legend Development Forums and found THIS LINK. Read through the thread, though. I only read a couple of pages and there are at least one or two mentions of download links being down. I also saw some references to the RUU not functioning, so at least scan the whole thread, to be sure.

If you install the HTC Sync software, you should be good to go. I'm not sure if there is a specific version required, but Google is your friend in that case!

Good Luck with whichever option you choose. As I said, you can throw me an email if you have any issues, but this forum's going to be your best bet for help.
[Legend General] mikereidis:
Thanks to all for the info here.

I have an LG Optimus Chic but I'm about to return it to Bell within the 14 day limit and will likely buy outright an HTC Legend from Virgin. No plans to go with Virgin ; I will be using a President's Choice SIM for some pretty cheap voice and data. AFAIK should work even without unlocking.

The Chic was otherwise great at $250 but flashing the LGs is a dangerous pain and there are few ROM options. My research for the last day indicates the Legend at $350 is my best option in the price area around $300 or so. I don't mind paying a bit more for something that may be more useful and for longer.

I have noted that the stock Bell ROM on my Chic has a variety of settings that are unchangeable, like voice mail number, and that will cause some hassle with the PresChoice service, so a fully rooted and customized phone is what I want.

I'm expecting to go with CyanogenMod, but will install ROM Manager and try a few others out. AND I've been doing embedded linux software for over 13 years so I'm going to try my hand at Android development and that'll be much easier when rooted and customized.

Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but if anyone knows of a cheaper or easier way to get a new HTC Legend than from a Virgin Mobile store, please let me know. Virgin deals with various retailers like TheSource, FS and BB etc. but I have no idea if outright purchase deals can be made those places.

Cheers and thanks !
[Legend General] mike998:
Kajiji is your best bet. I think you're looking at getting one second hand. Try eBay as well. As far as I know you can't buy outright at a cheaper price but Virgin Mobile offers a feature called "SuperTab" that allows you to build credit towards buying a new phone or paying off the phone you have.

Can't be any more help! Sorry!
[Legend General] mikereidis:
No problem.... After returning my Bell phone this aft I popped into TheSource and grabbed their last Legend, from the display case. I asked for a display model discount but no dice... :)

Just messing around with it now to test hardware with stock ROM. It hates a spare Wind SIM I found, but seems OKish with the PresChoice SIM, although it wants to set my APN to ipad.bell.ca or some-such which kills the PC SIM value pretty quick, LOL.

So I'm gonna jump into it tonight and I guess I need to downgrade, then root, then install some non-Virgin ROM etc.
[Legend General] Asovse1:
Regarding Virgin's and probably Bell's update:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=67376019814&topic=15554

If you can't see it because you didn't like that page or something, screenshot:

(too lazy to crop)
[Legend General] mikereidis:
I only read the first page there but figure that's enough. Sounds like the usual marketing/"customer management" baloney.

Yeah they used to call it "customer service" but now it's "customer management" meaning instead of serving us, they lie/obfuscate/delay etc. and try to "manage our expectations".

Yeah IMO "delayed indefinitely" is the last step before they admit it's "cancelled".

No skin off my back though, I got into the android game just recently, well aware of the upgrade issues all phones (ie all manufacturers) have.

After returning my Optimus Chic I got the Legend due to CM and many other ROMs being available. The Chic (or even the popular Optimus One) was nowhere near as well supported by ROM chefs, and the LGs were much easier to brick.

I only bought a "Virgin" phone since it's readily available in many stores and is cheaper than a new unlocked one. I had zero expectations that Virgin/Bell would give me any updates. And I'm VERY glad to get rid of their closed ROM with un-deletable apps and unchangeable config options.
[Legend General] mike998:
Once it was mid-January and there was no update, I gave up and rooted. At first, I didn't want to, but there's Froyo features I use and want that I was waiting patiently for.

The thing I find most upsetting in all this is although Virgin runs over Bell's lines, the Virgin brand has been one that distinguishes itself through Customer Service that I agree with mikereidis - They are MANAGING customers. To quote Pratchett's Vetinari, they are trying to get the maximum amount of milk from us with the minimum amount of moo. :(
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryude:
I've tried every rom I could find in the captivate section, they are all i9000 or some leaked 2.2 rom. I just want a rom that is based on our official JH7 but with some modifications and lag fix.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] norcal einstein:
You want an Eclair rom?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] timur525:
Get an old Cognition 2.1 Rom, they're on his website.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ryude:
Thank you, I will try that :)
[Desire HD General] fkofilee:
Any change on someone posting on the next post below guide for the removal of the simlock guide ONLY?
[Desire HD General] pwraggcan:
I'm interested in this too. If you here anything, please let me know.
[Desire HD General] Andy:
To remove SimLock you either -

A) Root, S-OFF, SimUnlock - guides in dev section.

B) Buy a code from the internet.

C) Ask your carrier.

Sadly there is no SimUnlock only guide.
[Desire HD General] pwraggcan:
Hey fkofilee:

I've sim-unlocked with adb code. If you want instructions email me at pwraggcan@aol.com and I'll send the files and adb code to you. Really really easy and free. You must be rooted and s off already.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gold_sprinter:
is there an email app out there thay will load up other folders? Other folders such as junk, I use hotmail for a lot of my emails outside of work. But some stuff geya filtered out amd ends up there.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gold_sprinter:
So I guess, that is a no.