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[Desire HD General] paulus_01:
I believe android is build in such a way that that is not completely necessary...

Having the process exist and idle might not make that much of a difference (at least so I read ;))

I agree.....although I am new to android and this kind of smartphone, I do have experience with laptops, pda's etc, etc...

My laptop I am happy if I do not need to plug it for 2 hours, my old PDA, well....if Wifi is on and it lasts for over 1 hour, I am extremely glad.

I do agree, when compared with my old K850i, that could run for a week on 1 charge....but it cannot be compared...the DHD is like a mini laptop....when used like that, be glad it lasts a day....
[Desire HD General] Nodeuk:
Ah ok. In that case it may be because I leave most things on as it was when I got the phone.
[Desire HD General] joshoon:
My batterij life is not bad at all with normal use, it can simply last for 3 days
[Desire HD General] Stylux:
for those who whine abt battery life , i think

1) if u can live with it , continue using it.

2) if u cant live with it , sell it away

simple...
[Desire HD General] Basil3:
Yep, that's a great attitude to have.

I can live with the phone as it is, but I do need a top up charge in the middle of the day.

The thing that gets me is when people say that they can last 2 days making phone calls, sending 100 texts and browsing the net for a couple of hours per day. I know for a fact that my phone will be dead in 3-4 hours screen on usage time. With the usage mentioned above, I would definitely have to charge every day.
[Desire HD General] Antonios76:
Οκ, Ι got the point. We must not complain for the heavy drain of the battery . I agree, BUT can you explain me some things?

For what reason the DHD/Desire/Wildfire have the same battery ?. The phones have the same characteristics?. Screen/processor.

If Mugen will release an 1500mAh, or 1800mAh, why HTC can not make also that ?. They are afraid of the cost? Perhaps yes.

They were afraid also of the cost for the covers of the battery and the sim, and this is why a lot of people were complaint about that?. We fixed it also that. But HTC couldn't.

They were also afraid of the cost of the screen ?. For this reason we have also lcd and not amoled or super amoled or an slcd. They were also afraid of the cost,

They were also afraid of the cost so they didnt install one camera in front like EVO.

They were also afraid of the cost, so for that reason the speakers are crap.

Perhaps they will release one model after some months they will name it DHD2, and they will correct some issues. And We all like a sheep will go to buy...

But we must NOT complain. At the end why not to buy a Nokia or an Ericsson phone?.
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
Where on earth did you get they have the same processor? The DHD has a new CPU which uses much less power, hence they don't need as big a battery in it.
[Desire HD General] paulus_01:
Really....where do you get your information from; have you ever read an article on smartphones??

The amoled screens on the Desire were produced by Samsung and they needed all their production capacity for their SGS, that's why the Desire had to switch to SLCD....the high demand for Amoled is why you see factories being build right now....

The battery, well, read this forum and you'll see that in a lot of cases it outperforms I4 and other phones (also: the cpu is @ 45nM instead of 65nM so HTC could do with less mAh to get the same amount of playtime out of the device)

If they wanted to make the cheapest phone possible, why is our DHD then out of 1 piece aluminium?

And comparing DHD with Desire and Wildfire....

Don't want to flame, but it is just ridiculous, may have wasted 1 minute of my life on this comment ;)
[Desire HD General] dr.m0x:
I'm happy with having to charge my DHD every night and here is why:

Pre smartphone:

Keep the phone in my pocket and only pull it out when making/receiving calls and sms.

Post smartphone:

Keep the phone in my pocket and only pull it out when:

- making/receiving calls, sms, and email.

- lost or looking for a nearby amenity such as a place to eat or park.

- something exciting happens and I want to announce it on my Facebook status.

- in a shop and trying to decide if a product is any good or if the advertised "special" price is really a bargain at all.

- when bored or waiting around for something/someone (Angry Birds, watch a movie, or just check out whats happening on XDA forums)

- when scheduling an appointment to see when I'm free and putting the event in my google calendar so I don't forget.

- when needing to note something down that I need to remember.

Umm yeah my old phone only needed charging every 4-5 days but 98% of the time it just sat in my pocket in standby.

Now my phone is my constant companion and probably one of the most useful tools I own. It genuinely does help make my life a lot easier. Considering I use it for probably 1-2 hours a day in addition to making calls and sms I think the battery life is quite acceptable. Of course I would like more but I accept that the phone is a beast and I must manage my battery if I want it to go the distance.

At any rate what the hell do you want? A phone with a 3000mah battery which is twice the thickness and weights half a kilo? Sure then you won't be complaining about the battery life any more - you will be bleating about how bloody big the phone is instead.

Speaking as an engineer there are ALWAYS compromises that must be made. Sure the speaker is crappy but a larger speaker or second speaker would probably have necessitated an increase in body size and would use more power. More power means either a bigger battery or lower battery life. That is just ONE example of why HTC nor anyone else will NEVER ever be able to produce a perfect product without any shortcomings whatsoever that will keep everyone happy.

If you don't like the DHD then sell it and get yourself something crappier with better battery life. I'm sure there are plenty of people around who would love to take it off you.
[Desire HD General] el_marto:
It lasts HOW LONG?

Errrr, would you please eplain how do you do that? I mean, I would believe you if you say 2 days, sure, but three? No offence meant;), but do you keep the flight mode one the whole day or what? I'm pretty happy with my 1,8 days, no problem with ocassional charge time when in my office, but it would be interesting to know how to optimize the device function at that level...
[Desire HD General] Prad001:
It's almost a month now I have had my dhd , battery was too bad for first one week later its been amazing I daily use it for music read mails news , push mail every 15 mins,its been better than my iphone. Today morning at 7 I took it out of charge its now 615 pm I have 65% battery remaining. Having a huge screen battery is really good.
[Desire HD General] Ferrosti:
You name it!

It's a phone with multimedia and office capabilities. If you want a Notebook with long battery runtime go and get one.

For me it works perfectly. Had it running for 3 days till recharge with few calls, checking mails, editing tasks and syncs, etc. Well, and checking ABirds for half an hour :)
[Desire HD General] kafkatamura:
I got a 1500mah battery from amazon uk for only 5. Got extra couple of hours juice. Not bad
[Desire HD General] berek9999:
All you've proved with that rant is that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Idiot.
[Desire HD General] RaindancerAU:
I'm blown away by how reluctant people seem to be to charge their phones. If I'm near an accessible power point for a period of time, then I'm charging it. Simple as that. When you go to sleep with powerpoints around you, why are you *not* charging your phone? What possible justification is there to not charge while you sleep?

Also, spare batteries are cheap, lightweight and low profile. Yet the prospect of having to carry and change batteries occasionally seems to be insulting to some people ....

Maybe its because I'm a little bit older, but I've never had problems with carrying spare batteries to ensure I can use my devices as much and for as long as I like. I have carried batteries for my walkmans (yes the original cassette ones), discmans, cameras (point and shoots, helmet cameras, rugged 720p cameras), laptops (tablet pcs and netbooks) and assorted other devices that had removable batteries and whenever I see an opportunity to charge my devices I go for it. For my devices that don't have removable batteries, I have portable charging solutions for them as well. No big deal.

Are the capabilities of the DHD not worth a little bit of maintenance as well? Is everyone getting that lazy and stuck up that charging your phone and changing batteries is way too much effort?
[Desire HD General] lukesky:
Let me address a small part of your rant. Mugen or anyone for that matter can release a 1500mAh,a 2500mAH or even a 9999 mAh battery, but the main question is,

does it contain the capacity as advertised?

Websites such as Battery Boss have tested 3rd party batteries made by Mugen and other nameless brands and most of them advertise the capacity as higher than it really is. But when they tested original HTC batteries, they are very near the advertised capacities. So HTC is telling the truth and most of the other 3rd party battery manufacturers are doing false advertising or at the very least, serious exaggeration of their battery capacities, so comparing battery capacity to 3rd party manufacturers is pointless.

So back to your original question why HTC didn't put a bigger capacity battery in. It could be cost, it could be space constraints in the battery bay, maybe the battery supplier gave them a good deal on 1200mAh batteries, only HTC knows. But for us consumers, the battery capacity has already been spelt out clearly by HTC, if you can accept it, great! If not then work around the problem by buying a spare battery, or getting a portable charger. Last resort will be to sell it. You have a choice you know.
[Desire HD General] dr.m0x:
Not only that but beyond a certain point the cost of increasing cell density skyrockets exponentially. So if they were able to make a 1400mah battery in the same form factor it might add 50-80% to the cost if the batteries.

I have a couple of the "1500mah" cheapo batteries also and they are definitely no better than the stock one. Still to have a spare battery available is worth the $5 even if it's no better. I have a battery charger as well so I can just swap batteries over and be on my way again if I'm in a hurry and don't want to wait for my device to recharge.

Sent from my Desire HD by magic.
[Desire HD General] dilema:
i've also tested the high capacity batteries at work (i've got some fancy battery analyzing programs and gear here) and most don't get anywhere near the rated capacity.

also, lithium batteries will last better when 'topped up' regularly, rather than draining all the time.

honestly, we've reached the limit of capacity vs size in regards to batteries, and unless any huge advancements happen, the only way you'll get more capacity is bigger physical size.

on my hd, with syncing every 4 hours, facebook fairly often, rss readers, news and general browsing, and both wifi and bluetooth on, i can get about 16 hours before it goes to power save mode, and by that time i'm home so i can charge it.
[Desire HD General] liljom:
I think the idea in the first post is a very very good idea.

I can see a lot of ads on Copenhagen's streets on the DHD.

HTC really listens to the people, so let's get that battery : )

previously I used LeeDroid with custom kernels and I had to charge the phone during the day. Now I use MoDaCo custom ROM with original kernel, and I can use it a full day without charge. I listen to music a lot. And maybe someday I will play a lot too, so it won't be enough as it is.
[Desire HD General] mazaky:
I was also concerned about battery life on my DHD but after a week of using it and setting it up properly I love it! Best phone ever, but there are few things I had to change, following tips about battery life. (They are in another post about DHD 'battery life' or just type 20 tips battery life android in google or something).

For example I switch off wifi and mobile data at night when charging the phone so I know it's fully charged in the morning. There is plenty little things so I can now heavily use my phone for min a whole day ( could last longer but I charge it anyway at night).

To sum up, the phone is amazing and the battery really isn't bad, just needs little effort to set it up properly ;)
[Desire HD General] Dr. lele:
I do love the DHD as a phone, but I'm really disappointed with the battery life.

My phone drains about 10% per hour in standby.

i.e: when I do not even touch my phone after maximum 11 hours it'll be dead!

While playing or surfing on the web it's even more funny to watch the battery die... maybe I'm doing something wrong... but all my syncs are set to minimum 4 hours, facebook 12 hours. using an app killer, screen on auto brightness. Under battery users the screen always takes about 80 percent of the battery usage, i accept that as normal. but simply check the screenshots...
[Desire HD General] jkoljo:
Do not use the app killer, and lower your screen brightness.
[Desire HD General] Dr. lele:
Why not use the app killer?

Is there a possibility to adjust the automatic set brightness levels? because i like, that the phone sets the brightness automatically but its alway a little bit too bright.
[Desire HD General] Nodeuk:
Have you tried installing the 2.2.1 OTA update? I installed that, and my phone has been unplugged for 58 hours and its got 53% battery left. Its been mainly in standby for that time, but with wifi on, push email, weather and facebook running.
[Desire HD General] rossysaurus:
try diabling 3g. i get 3-4 days out of my DHD (still on the old firmware). my screen states 80% battery too, but when i dont charge my phone each night with 3g off it says 30%.
[Desire HD General] carlowise:
sorry for offtopic but what's the name of this widgets you have on second screen?

Thanx
[Desire HD General] Dr. lele:
Yes I have installed Android 2.2.1 but I'm running Android Revolution HD.

I calibrated the battery and now the problem seems to be solved: 5 hours standby 2 hours display activated, and still 60% left :) thats pretty decent.

The widgets are switchpro and DroidStats :P neat apps ;)

EDIT: oh no, now battery life really sucks :D
[Desire HD General] randomdud:
i dont know about you guys out there but mine last for 9 hours continious gaming "angry birds, pool, nfs shift and also robo defence etc with msntalk whatsapp on" after 9 hours i still have around 18% left ;) and i always restart the phone after i finish surfing around and playing around with most of the apps/games might last for 11 hours if i keep going i guess lol

im not a smartphone gamer etc but i just decided to bloody test it out ;p surfing the net for 7 hours and i have 56% left.
[Desire HD General] jkoljo:
Google "why not android task killer" and read :) Some custom roms have different brightness levels, I am using extended controls to change brightness manually.
[Desire HD General] Wil-j:
Yeah right. I'm sorry but sounds like a load of BS. 9 hours with the screen on and still 18%? Impossible I'd say.
[Desire HD General] cubitusclaudius:
by night time, I use Airplane mode and it takes 1% in 8 or 9 hours. battery is really good now with the new 1.72.
[Android Apps and Games] madhuranand007:
Winamp for Android (beta) offers a complete media management solution for 2.1 OS & above. Sync your music from the Winamp desktop player over USB or Wi-Fi. Learn more - http://bit.ly/bfLxap

Other features: persistent audio playback controls, play queue, scrobbling, playlist shortcuts, lock screen & widget player.

Recent changes:

*SHOUTcast Radio (2.2 & above)

*Improved Wi-Fi sync and iTunes library import

*Large & small widget players

*Artist Info

*Easy to use interface with persistent player controls

*Play queue

*Scrobbling

*Playlist shortcuts

*Lock-screen player

*Languages: English, German, French, Polish, Russian, & Portuguese (BR)

More Info:

http://www.appbrain.com/app/winamp/com.nullsoft.winamp

Or

http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/multimedia/winamp_mfqp.html
[Android Apps and Games] Sagui:
Cool! Love ShoutCast!

Did they fix the headphone button issue, where you couldn't pick up/hang up phone calls?
[Android Apps and Games] icc:
Tried shoutcast but can´t listen to a stream... :(
[Android Apps and Games] BrandonRyan86:
Great! Love the app. One thing. I would REALLY love an equalizer feature. It's the only thing that has me looking at PowerAmp with envious eyes.
[Android Apps and Games] r@nd0m:
Have they fixed the lockscreen widget and unlock back to the phone instead of the normal lockscreen?
[Android Apps and Games] Ditchmond:
hmm I'm running 0.9.2 on my Sony X10 (2.1) but I don't see the shoutcast button. I only see a HISTORY button there instead. What gives?

edit: duh, only realized now that its only for 2.2.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ek9manr:
I tried unziping the Rom and look for the zimage but no luck. So now I'm thinking maybe its different for the evo
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neckface:
You'd have to unpack the boot.img. I use dsixda's ROM kitchen to do it when I need to, check his thread and third post I believe for faq's where he tells you how to extract a kernel from a ROM and repack it into your boot.img.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ek9manr:
Thanx ill try that
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] matthew527:
Same as the title,i can not connect to network,but the wifi is work,how to fix it?

Thanks a lot!

VERSION:GPC DesireTW_HD2 V1.1
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Oxirane:
Using Onyx 4.2, downloaded some fonts and went to change the font... FC.

No task killers being used. Fresh flash from just earlier. I was getting the same issue last night on Onyx 3.something or other... being what prompted me to flash to begin with.

Everything else seems to be in fine working order. Any suggestions?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demize!:
Run a fix permissions script.

Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Oxirane:
Still FC'ing.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Five0nIt:
i had the same problem with mancut when trying to change the brightness level.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eweo911:
There are some fonts that cause the FC on when trying to access "Display". Try uninstalling the fonts, reinstall them one at a time, going into "Display" after each install. You will pinpoint the bad font(s).
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Oxirane:
Worked like a charm.... Thanks!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Donte21:
How do you go about uninstalling fonts?
[Venue Pro General] blitzkrieg7710:
Just read an article on PocketNow that Dell Venue Pro will come on December 14th 2010

Priced at $150 for T-Mobile Contract and $499 without .... Yippeeee !!!!

Link: http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/dell-venue-pro-priced-at-150-ships-december-14th

Update: Dell removed the page again :(((( !!!!
[Venue Pro General] MikeDupp:
I ordered one about an hour ago. I got an order number and customer ID in the confirmation email just like every other Dell purchase.Even though I chose 3-5 day shipping in the cart, the status page is showing 7 day shipping and a 12/27/10 est. delivery date.

And the link on the twitter hashtag #dellvenuepro still seems to be working even though the pocketnow article says they pulled it.
[Venue Pro General] dhafiz:
I ordered as well. I received an order number and customer ID in the confirmation email, and I picked 2 day shipping. The estimated Delivery date is Dec. 22 for me.

"Dell Venue Pro™ Smartphone T-Mobile Black with SIM 16GB Memory, Windows Phone 7 OS"

Wonder how long before they cancel the order?
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
If the info thats been floated about is true the official link probably goes live tomorrow, the first day of December.
[Venue Pro General] Shoot2ill:
Thanks for the heads up. Ordered. (first order got canceled)

Used the super-cool link someone else in here provided in a different thread:

dell.com/us/p/mobile-venue-pro/fs

Estimated Delivery Date: 12/22/2010 :(
[Venue Pro General] 937dytboi:
I placed an order also earlier and it said my estimated delivery is Dec. 21st with next day shipping. The case for the phone says I will receive it Dec. 8th

Also ordered a holster for the phone.

Talked to a chat line agent and they said tomorrow is the release date, she then told me to call this 1-800 number and the lady I talked to said she couldnt disclose a date but all she could tell me was real, real, real, real soon. I just laughed. So i figured it was tomorrow
[Venue Pro General] zazierx:
ahh got my order in.. I wasn't planning on getting the 8 gig model but thats okay (I'm going to swap out the micro sd card for a 32 gig if its possible). But im not getting where the $150 is coming from? Just bought mine for $99 on contract.

Total ended up being $106.48

edit: oh thats strange, it only gave me the option for the 8 gigabyte model.
[Venue Pro General] 937dytboi:
Thats weird I only had the option for 16GB in which I wanted but thats one thing I checked before checking out
[Venue Pro General] ratchetjaw:
here we go with this order and dissappearing call back and cancel your order crap. I think i am just going to port back to verizon and get a Droid Pro this crap is getting old
[Venue Pro General] murdo119:
If you go back to the fs site, you'll see that there are two options now for venue pro, one is 8gb and the other one is 16gb, I tried ordering again (after first order few weeks ago being cancelled) and see what happens. Just in case, there is this coupon code code that'll give you 10 percent off. coupon code is FMQLSTFF34SVV5
[Venue Pro General] ratchetjaw:
Well i bit again lol. This time didnt follow a link just went directly to Dell.com and its there so hopefully its real this time. My Dell rep was suppose to notify but heard it hear first so ordered anyway
[Venue Pro General] ratchetjaw:
Well spoke to my Rep this is the real deal this time. So we will see when they start to ship. I did next day for s&g :D
[Venue Pro General] dhafiz:
I did next day too - expected delivery date is 12/14.

I had to call Dell and cancel the previous order I'd placed yesterday through the FS link, before it would accept the Accessory coupon mentioned in the previous page. The delivery estimate for that order was 12/22. Once cancelled (over the phone), I ordered again in the (what I assume is now the) legit way, and got $50 off, but picked one-day shipping versus 2-day. Total price difference after tax was about $36, but the delivery estimate is 8 days earlier - worth the effort in my opinion :)
[Venue Pro General] Kotlicki:
Ordered my Venue PRO early in the morning, got a phone call from India later in the afternoon to confirm my shipping address and now has an "In Production" status and a 12/15/10 estimated delivery date...:)

Just FYI I bought the 16G full price $499 with free 2nd day delivey.
[Venue Pro General] ratchetjaw:
Well when i ordered my Venue i got a delivery of the 15th. I also ordered a Duo with a delivery date of the 26th. Just got an update the Duo is shipped with delivery tomorrow :D Heres to hoping the Venue will soon follow
[Venue Pro General] Kloc:
Ordered mine yesterday didn't want them to sell out again!
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
They seemed to have pulled it again.. I was waiting for my upgrade status at Tmobile to be fixed. This is pissing me off.. I am stuck with a old Nokia flip phone as I had to send my HD7 back to Tmo.

Dell needs to sh*t or get off the pot already.... this putting on the site and then pulling it retarded.
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
Now its back up.. WTF Dell..! This really should give me pause to even buy it..
[Venue Pro General] 937dytboi:
wow r u serious. These mishaps has got me thinking to. even though my order is in. Got a feeling that the phone is still going to have issues, just a hunch that I have at the moment