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[Nook Color General] noodles12:
How does the NC do with having multiple windows/tabs on the browser open? like 5-10? does it lag at all?

Your mini-comparison is quite intriguing and may sway me towards a rooted NC than an A70 (even though the NC lacks hdmi and a webcam =/)
[Nook Color General] johnopsec:
The sw on the nc is already Android. Simply do the nooter root, install z4root, a market app, the home manager of your choice and you're off to the races. I'm also using the droidx multitouch keyboard and touch typing works very well.
[Nook Color General] BertoJG:
Sorry, didn't have notification set for this thread. I have run about 5 tabs and haven't had an issue with it...
[Nook Color General] dazzlet:
Are these available in the uk? If so where thanks
[Nook Color General] shanghei:
I have the gtablet and that cant even handle 720p mkv, so I highly doubt this can.
[Nook Color General] wvcachi:
Wow - got a NC last night, and I'd highly recommend it to anyone looking for a cheaper Galaxy Tab alternative (who doesn't care about cameras, GPS, etc.). The rooting process worked without a hitch (auto-nooter), the softkeys are much less intrusive than I expected, and the possibilities are only going to grow as development continues. Not for everyone, but it really becomes a legit Android tablet after rooting.
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
I too just got one of these ( typing this message on it), also from abq, and am also loving it. My first android experience was an htc incredible, and so far, after rooting and installing some apps, the experience does not disapoint. It plays angry birds just fine, and web browsing with dolphin works amazing. I cannot wait to see froyo on this ( and perhaps some custom gb roms later), and how she will really fly.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
Don't rule out the elocity

it's rooted

froyo, runs flash 10.1

webcam

tegra 2

7 inch

299$ at bj's
[Nook Color General] norkoastal:
No multitouch = ruled out
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
why?

Could argue no flash on the nook color or slow processoror no bluetooth= ruled out.
[Nook Color General] ricoishere2:
Two of the three of those will be cleared up in a month and the processor isn't slow. With 200 more mhz it will match the Sam Tab., which should also be very easy once overclocking is available. I'll take the better screen and viewing angles. What are we doing with these tabs 100% of the time? We are looking at them so image quality counts a great deal IMO.
[Nook Color General] khaytsus:
IMO the Nook Color isn't slow.. the B&N Software is a bit slow, PARTICULARLY the eReader... It's horridly slow. Once rooted and using another launcher and normal Android apps, it's not slow. I was very concerned when I first got my NC and was using its stock apps, but now I think it's just fine.

I'm with you on bluetooth, I really want to be able to pair up to my Bluetooth GPS. Built-in GPS would have sufficed for what I'd use it for (car nav :D ) but bluetooth GPS uses much less power and is more accurate.
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
I will concur. Keep in mind this is running a Cortex A8, which is the same CPU that the iPad is running (though slightly lower in Mhz). Yes, we have a slightly weaker GPU, but i haven't seen that as an issue yet.

Being totally rooted, I am enjoying this tablet far more than i thought i would. There really is no lag in market installed applications - things like Dolphin browser work great, and games like Angry Birds play just as well as they do on my Droid Incredible.

I really do hope we get a custom ROM and Kernal with overclocking, because then without the B&N bloat, we will really see the power of this underrated tablet..
[Nook Color General] chn110:
I am comparing this with my HTC HD2 minus the phone function. It looks like the hardware itself is quite capable. There is bluetooth support in the hardware as well. Just need a kernel and library for it. Once BT is enabled, microphone will be there for voice calls over IP. All is missing is a camera/GPS/compass, and none of these is available on a non-3G iPad.

Does Nook support multi-touch and how many points can it read? There are some apps in the Market that can test this I think. Also does SetCPU work? Maybe it needs a kernel that supports over clocking.

Also wondering if B&N has released kernel source code.
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
Yes, the Nook supports multi-touch, though right now it is only two points. For comparison, my incredible supports only 2 points with my current kernel, but i have tried others that allowed up to five. Looking online, the Nook appears to have a genuine multi touch controller, so more than 2 points should be possible in the future.

SetCPU does work, in that you can set profiles and change the governors, but will need a custom kernel to allow overclocking. Assuming said kernel is made, 1.0Ghz should be no sweat.
[Nook Color General] burton14e7:
Once rooted is it still integrated with BN? Will I still be able to use the store to purchase ebooks or will I need to download them from BN.com ?
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
disagree. 800 mhz is slow as its video card. multitasking? running flash video? running high def videos? It is fine for very casual browsing and reading.

the galaxy tab is slow also. it cant run flash video without hiccupping and stuttering. 2011 tegra 2 will be the standard anything lower will be on the budget chinese tabs. Even samsung is planning tegra2 in the galaxy tab2.

The nook coor has a better screen no doubt, but if the elocity screen is good and not great, it will suffice. 6 months from now when honeycomb is running on all tablets the nook will be left out. That is when the tegras will shine as the os will be optimised for dualcore. even without it quadrant scores on tegra 2 devices run from 18-2600? on the nook? 850 or 1/2 to 1/3rd. And that is just using one core of the tegra.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
also don't expect flash or bluetooth on the nook so no chance to use it as communication device or for flash video.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
bluetooth will not come to the color someone already opened it up and thereis no antenna there even if the chip for wifi is dual wifi bluetooth.
[Nook Color General] spikey911:
Wow, at first I thought the Nook was a great buy with all the work being done to make it better..

I at least hoped for flash, but now according to this thread its impossible so I guess I should rethink my purchase.

I can live without bluetooth, but really want flash in the future..
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
I never use the word impossible but the following would have to happen:

1) Froyo which short of some serious hacking won't be out in any itertaion for a good month or more.

2)Some way to overclock the Kernel as 800mhz won't cut especially with the slow graphics processor. I am sure this will be possible wih devs working on it but likely at the cost of battery life and shortening life of the device as the chip is not spec'd to run a 1 ghz.

3) since there is no certified flash for this tablet on will have to be found that will load and function on this device. Archos which is on froyo and with faster processor doesn't have flash with optimizations for its device yet and the one being used now is not manageable and that is with them supporting flash.

SO if Flash is an important reason to pick up a device like this over say and ipad, think again. For now the only tablet at 7 inches that runs flash well is the elocity and at 10 inches, the g tablet
[Nook Color General] norkoastal:
Has it been confirmed that they do not share the same antenna?
[Nook Color General] khaytsus:
1: A month = Nearly impossible...

2: It does not take 1Ghz to run flash. When I use it on my n1 it's using some 20-25% of CPU at most.

3: Flash for the Droid X should work just fine on the NC when it has 2.2.

Pull your skirt down, your bias is showing.
[Nook Color General] h8rift:
I have to agree with the other folks. Your opinions are quite biased. I used a g tablet, samsung tab, and im telling you this is the tablet to have. In my opinion.

G tablet's viewing angles were terrible..and samsungs proprietary OS is what is killing the performance on it (not to mention price...). I own and use a Captivate...so I know how bad sammy's software is.

Tegra 2 will eventually be the forefront of tablets. Guaranteed. However, who's to say that Elocity doesnt give you Honeycomb at the last minute? Manufacturers seem to be putting out hardware now that they intend to replace with a new variant in 6 months. Why? Because people buy it.

You can tell by the cost of the Nook and the components that BN is making maybe 50.00 per nook sale. Look at a teardown if you don't believe me.

Anyways, the same OMAP processor in the Droid X is found in the Nook Color. You can guarantee an OC to 1.2ghz will happen and be stable.

You are also missing the point of undervolting the processor so it doesn't eat battery like its overclocked.

People who are looking through this thread for advice on whether or not to buy this device need to make a decision. Without looking at bias. (I can also be considered partially biased. But its because I have tried them all.)

I'm done ranting... and I will no longer show bias in this thread. But seriously...its not about fanboy'ing your favorite device. Its about helping out someone who has questions.

-h8
[Nook Color General] ph00ny:
Samsung doesn't run on proprietary OS. It's still running android 2.1/2.2 (depending on device/country/carrier etc)
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
There is a diffeence between able to run flash and running flash well.

Galaxy tab which is better spec'd than the nook can't run flash properly.

Goto a website with a lot flash and try to run a flash video on it and the video framerate is like 3-4 fps= not wathable.

Other chinese tabs out that have 2.2 but they state won't be able to run flash due to processor. So if u don't mind a cr@p user experience with flash by all means I will pull it down, but its probably the best view u have had!!
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
I think asking a question should I buy a nook color in the nook color = getting fanboy bias !!!When I refer to it being underpowered I think of 2011 not compared to a phone from 2009-2010.As new software comes out on android, it will be made totake advantage of the faster processor, the older A8 and less chips will fall behind.

Trust me I would much rather have the nook screen than any other except perhaps the samsung or ipad which are its =.

I would gladly pay a 100$ for a nook with a tegra inside.

Doesn't matter if elocity releases honeycomb late or not. It was released with 2.2, the nook was not? Have you wondered why? Elocity came rooted and runs a near sock android ui, so once some devs get their hands on them (they are only ut in the wild a week) going to honeycomb will be non issue.

I have not even decided if I will stick with the elocity and I have listed in other threads very clearly the pro's and cons of each tablet so one can make an unbiased decision because for now there is no one tablet that has everything.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9998063&postcount=283

I gave my opinion for me but with i think is a fair assessment
[Nook Color General] Masterface7:
Getting back to the original post part 2. I just wanna make sure I got this right from reading through the thread,

Can the nook can play h.264 in an mp4 but not an mkv?

Also as long as the video isn't unneeded high resolution the video plays smoothly? I saw that people got good old 480p xvid avi's playing on a 3rd party video player but what about the built in player, can it handle avi's without a problem?

Lastly since devices like the galaxy s and the tab have built in mkv support is there any hope that a mkv codec could be ported to the nook?

It would be sweet if I could download a video on the nook then watch it on the nook without having to go through the computer.

oh yea also OP you should look at Pulse news reader I hear it is really great.
[Nook Color General] RoboRay:
So, what you're saying is that computing devices you buy today will not have the same kind of performance that computing device you buy in the future will offer? That technology improves with time?

Wow, what a concept.

I guess nobody should ever buy anything, because something better will come along soon.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
Condescending attitude aside, it is more that there is hardware today capable of taking advantage of a new software that will be out soon that the nook color won't be able to run.

Google has been very clear that Froyo and Gingerbread are not tablet OS but phone OS. Honeycomb is designed to be the first android OS that is meant to be on a tablet. It is also a fact that The reference hardware google is using to test and design this OS happens to be the Tegra2 SOC from Nvidia. So act like the smart@ss you are now instead of looking at the bigger picture so as to justify your purchase,but in 3-4 months from now when you are stuck on 2.2 and still with no working flash, those who bought tegra2 tablets will actually start to realize the full potential of the underlying hardware.

Not sure why you decided to make this personal with your attitude. It is kind of pathetic.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
mp4 up to 720p should work okay on the nook provide it is not in the high profile and is of the right container. MKV will not be able to run as there is not enough processor power. If your goal is to use this device primarily as a multimedia tablet rather than as a websurfing bookreader with some other apps, then I recommend looking at the archos which while inferior in many ways has the codecs to run the type of files you are considering. Or consider a tegra based tablet
[Nook Color General] RoboRay:
Don't you have a bridge to get back under? Nowhere in my post was any type of personal attack on you. If you're looking for an "attitude" I suggest you try a mirror.

And you know those future tablets you're waiting for in six to nine months? Guess what will be out six to nine months after them? Something better. Who's going to be buying those? Some of them will be the people who bought tablets now because they don't feel like waiting six months to get a better one but are then at the "typical" upgrade point when that generation after the next generation comes out, anyway.

You must be pretty new to "technology" if you think rapid obsolescence is a new concept.

I have no problem with you waiting as long as you want to buy one. Why are you so offended that some people don't agree with your decision to wait?
[Nook Color General] norkoastal:
Note... these opinions are being provided prior to 2.2 being fully ported, and/or custom ROMs with additional video support being tested. While the opinions may be true on a stock NC, it hasn't come close to maxing out its performance threshold yet, so take that with a grain.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
Wow what a concept? reread your earlier post and tell me the attitude was honest and sincere!

Don't you have a bridge to get back under? Hmm another nice retort....

You must be pretty new to "technology" if you think rapid obsolescence is a new concept. yup I am sitting there quoting details on processor specs on a developers website but am new to technology. You have me all figured out don't you?

I have no problem with you waiting as long as you want to buy one. Why are you so offended that some people don't agree with your decision to wait?

I am not offended at all, just someone asked in this thread 7 pages ago shoud I get a nook color. Every person on here who owns a nook color will undoubtedly say yes. I was trying to point out the other options too. It is a complicated question that depends more on what the person plans to use the tablet for.

I suggested if flash was important or viewing hidef video than the nook is not sufficent given its processor. If bluetooth a microphone and a webcam are important then the nook is not for you as you can't use it to videochat or to use voip service over wifi with a bluetooth headset or use bluetooth headphones. If you want to use an external keyboard to type a document while away on vacation without need for a laptop; or output an HD video you downloaded to watch on someones HDTV via HDMI then you are SOL. I think a potential buyer has the right to know that. It is not bashing.

OTOH, if the person has a priority for a quality screen, a great book reading experience and can also use other android apps and watch movies and listen to music, then this device is perfect for them especially given the price. But, they must know that the current iteration of the nook will not be running honeycomb, a true dedicated tablet platform when it comes out likely in February according to reports (not 6-9 months) .

So in the end as I have said all along it depends on one's needs as to whether or not they buy this. For me it has a limited lifespan as better processors are already out and many more will be out in the next 6-8 weeks. If those things are important then you might feel you should have waited.
[Nook Color General] theref:
Agreed. In fact, I wouldn't hold my breath for a better table coming along in a few months. Although newer tablets will be able to play mkvs, be snappier and what not it will be costly to do that with an IPS screen and a rugged body. So prepare to pay $500 and upwards. I think that for those who do not care about movies this entry point is sweet as it won't be something definitely better at this price point for quite a while.

In fact, if the devs could enable bluetooth then the nook can do both GPS and phone, thereby effectively being an ipod/ipad with android. All for $200.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
Correct these opinions can't be based on 2.2 on the nook color as 22 is currently in alpha stages. But it can be based on fact from other devices with same spec'd processor that are running 2.2 and can't play 1080 video or mkv 720 files.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
Actually the Notion ink adam with a better screen is available for preorder in 10 inch size for less. I wouldn't hold my breath about getting GPS when there is no gps chip or 3g radio in the nook. And Iirc it has already been stated that while the chip in the nook is a BT/wifi chip there is no switch to activate the bluetooth radio in hardware.

Good luck Hope you can and that you can get Froyo running with good flash. It would make this the ultimate budget tab.
[Nook Color General] theref:
Not sure what your problem is. I did not say that there won't be better tablets--just said that there won't be any at this price point for quite a while. Let's see when we can get an ips in a quality frame for $250 (in fact close to $200 with BN coupons). How much is the Notion ink?
[Nook Color General] theref:
This is inaccurate. According to thetechjournal.com the adam with the good screen is $500 and with the LCD (sure is a TN) $375.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
500$ also get you 3g and gps otherwise it is in the low 4 range I believe.

Look you guys can act like I am some bully by defaming the nook. Fact is I think it is a very good product and a great value. and I think anyone who is willing to learn a bit and come here to mod it away from being just an ereader will get a lot more out of it than B&N intended. I appreciate and respect that.

Just remember the avg. Joe doesn't have the savvy to come here and run cooked firmwares and hack google apps into place.....They go into the store and buy a device bring it home plug it in, maybe read part of the manual and start using it.

Those people won't get a tablet android device from the nook. They will wonder why when they goto a website flash doesn't work....
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
That is fine and dandy, but for one thing - people coming here area already far and above average joe users. Sure, not everybody wants to run a cooked rom, but just being here looking for info shows that they are more knowledgeable and are interested in tehnical info.

As it is, looking at just tech specs, in NO way is this tablet lacking. I mean, there are only a couple of tegra 2 units, and lets be real... they suck. The NC has "weaker", but tried and true hardware:

Cortex A8 cpu core (same architecture as the iPad)

512MB Ram (some of the "better" tablets are still saddled with just half that).

PowerVR SGX530 ( yes, it isn't the tegra 2, but it is surprisingly powerful, and i think the 2.2 update will help get its full potential)

7" IPS panel (Ok sorry, but only the 2x+ expensive iPad can match this.. this screen is amazing, and really adds to the value).

This tablet has hardware that is considered modern for mid-high end cell phones... so why are we suddenly saying it is horrible and obsolete now? Sheesh gimme a break.
[Nook Color General] RoboRay:
If you seriously think you will be able to walk into a store and buy a Honeycomb tablet in February, you are clearly not the "technology insider" you make yourself out to be.
[Nook Color General] RoboRay:
Twice as much as the Nook, for the model with the good screen, and it is NOT available for pre-order. It was available for pre-order, for an hour, and the first production run was entirely sold out. There's not even an estimate of when they're actually going to be available to anyone other than the lucky few who got in. It will certainly be after this magical month called February when all things wonderful will appear in Tabletland.
[Nook Color General] RoboRay:
Those Average Joes don't often come to software development forums to get their product information. The people who do come to this type of forum are generally going to be fairly comfortable with the idea of "running cooked firmwares and hacking google apps into place" or they wouldn't be here to begin with.

If they want to go the store and buy a device, bring it home and plug it in without needing to know anything, they'll buy whatever Apple or the Geek Squad tells them they need.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
Please show me where I said it's horrible. While I like the iPad, it is already nearly a year old and will be replace in 3-4 months. And havng used it is pretty responsive but can lag at times and remeber the software wqs designed for that processor whereas android is meant for many platforms and so you dont necessarily have the best optimizqtion for ones device.

Would you be less distribute if I simply said the NC is the best 250$ device going with a screen rivallingnrablets costing twice as much? I believe that, but I realize it also is missing some features people would normally want.
[Nook Color General] Canadoc:
Again another quote that I believe is a smarmy remark. You are just full of them.

Feel free to use google if you know how and search for honeycomb release date.
[Nook Color General] RoboRay:
Dude. Coming to a forum specifically focused on a single device that you don't own simply to continuously tell everyone there that they should have waited until some indeterminate future date to buy something different instead is pure trolling.

Fine, you have your shiny-apple-toy. You have a reasonably functional tablet and you paid three times what it was worth to get it. Why are you telling other people who don't have any type of tablet right now that they shouldn't get a reasonably functional tablet at a fraction of the price you paid? You didn't wait for a better product, despite your repeated statements that it's what "everyone else should do."

Don't you have anything better to do than troll here?
[Nook Color General] spikey911:
I was excited about the Nook, and wanted to buy it....I came to this thread which made me change my mind...

Now I have changed my mind again, and will consider buying one after the holiday..

I had an Augen which I returned. It was horrible.

This tablet seems to have everything that counts for what I want to do with it.

After reading the other thread with Froyo installed and flash running, thats good enough for me and will be for quite some time. Once all the bugs are worked out and roms are complete, I am sure it will be more than capable of holding its value for the next year.

I am sure by next year more tablets will come out that actually have all the features we want..