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[Vibrant General] faldiin:
The issue is getting that you dont get anything now unless you donate and when it does come out there is already something newer that is a replacement. Then they keep getting donations to get to that item. I am guilty of donation but that is to TW and when I had my hero, it was for Fresh Roms.

With Fresh Roms, You go a email with the update and in 24 hours it was released to everyone. This included the Beta version. This has now morphed into something bad and lost the meaning of it.

Faldiin
[Vibrant General] fatboy547:
Can someone post screenshots of 2.1? I am on macnut r13 and used to run auxura thx
[Vibrant General] Mac11700:
I don't get any of this..so would someone please correct me if I am wrong in this..

The forum rules state you have to get permission to use other developers work first..correct ? If who ever leaked Masters work..then Master has every right to be upset about it correct ? So...I can understand his being upset at anyone leaking his work... Now..where I guess I am a little fuzzy on all of this is where the rules state if there is a dispute..then it should be done via PM's..not on a open forum and if it can't be resolved it's a matter for the administrators of XDA...So...if that is the case...why didn't this happen ? 2 or 3 wrongs don't make a right... Secondly...I see no where in the forum rules that once permission has been given by one developer to another to use their work that that permission can be revoked and a rom taken down..especially if the work done on it wasn't completely done by who originally developed it. Now...I can understand it being pulled and taken down if the original developer did all of the code writing and corrections and gives it to the other person..but if the second developer was making changes and corrections...and then using others as testers and using forum members ideas and help then isn't just a use of what is now considered Open Source ?

Like I said...I am a little cloudy on all of this and hate to see all of the people being pissed off at one another..If you do something for free..that is one thing..but if you expect to be paid for something that others have helped to develop to me that is another matter entirely. Giving to someone for their hard work..and not a product is what the spirit of donating is all about. Some can afford to give a lot..others can't afford much if any. The lines get blurred when someone ask for money for a early release of what you are going to give to the public..but..hey.... that is anyones choice to do so....you can either wait till it is released or use something else,but IMHO in using the donation button on a persons signature to do this seems wrong to me. To me it looks like a payment is being made for that persons work...and not really a donation,and in such may or may not be illegal. That all would be up to the State they reside in and the tax laws and all of that legal crap that could be involved in this I think.I'm not really sure since I'm not a lawyer or tax accountant...nor did I stay in a Holday Express last night...:D

Lastly...I am certainly not trying to disrespect anyone here or elsewhere...I certainly do appreciate all of the time and effort

all

the developers on here have put out. They donate their knowledge and time in doing all of this for us..and I hate to see all of the bickering and fighting going on as of late. I can only wish it can get back to people caring for people and doing what they love for the sake of the community in making our phones better than what the manufacturers sells us.

Mac
[Vibrant General] Vegastouch:
Sorry for asking a bunch of questions but now how do i get Fancy Widgit to show my clock since "add to home" has been deleted?

EDIT****

Nevermind, i found it.
[Vibrant General] tonie972:
I think it's better if you create your own thread.
[Vibrant General] Botchka:
It's also a bit disingenuous to state publically that you're shutting down devs4android at the end of the month (when his hosting runs out), but continue to leave up the donation link. That's NOT cool.
[Vibrant General] kingrat:
it's all about the money and nothing else..

just like the republican party..
[Vibrant General] Vegastouch:
Well this IS the Axura edition thread.

And my media player dont work when i click on it to play music. Says "could not launch requested activity".
[Vibrant General] jnutz:
You have to donate. Haha
[Vibrant General] xaymaca:
oh yes, champagne will fall from the sky, rumor has it that you'll even get into heaven through the VIP gate when you die

but of course

you have to donate...
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Lol.
[Vibrant General] jnutz:
You really shouldnt make a post without donating.
[Vibrant General] zimphishmonger:
I've donated to TW, Eugene, and the CMSGS team, and you guys deserve it in spades, but not every dev should be doing that, as not every dev goes to the level you do. Master's build were simply themed versions without much development, and I think its a rip-off to require "donations" to get access to something like that. Is he forwarding part of the donations to Samsung, who originally leaked the build? I he giving some of the "donation" to the people that helped fix major issues like the sdcard issue? Im sure not. My point: I have absolutely no problem donating or paying for hard work, time , and development, but it seems everyone who releases a zip file has decided they have "earned" the right to require donations for access to their build, kernel, etc.

Eugene has done a lot for this community, as well as TW and a lot of other independent developers, but the leak was an inevitable consequence of charging for something that people dont consider worth the price. Either take it positively because people want to test and use your builds, or go to your own "donation only" forum and isolate your possible user base, either way: most people wont lose any sleep.

EDIT: BTW, I notice your donation link is still up even though your publicly announced you were stopping development....pretty shady move if you ask me.
[Vibrant General] wtc_bd:
These two posts are the most well thought out and the closest to what my own thoughts were on this.

I came to XDA-developers because i thought it was an open forum where regular people could modify LEAKED CODE, comment, use, change and understand that those changes DON'T BELONG TO THEM.

Am I missing something? every change, hack, fix, add-on "so called development" is from LEAKED SAMSUNG CODE.

When I first came on and saw the "DONATE" in some OP's threads, I saw it as just that...donate, if you want to but it's completely optional. Kind of like Hansmrtn did with his version of AXURA. Every "DONATION" was apprecitated and he often...on the forum thanked them for that.

Money involved in an open forum Blurs the "OPEN SOURCE" lines. Do what you want, but any Mod, DEV,OP or whatever can't own LEAKED SOURCE with added GPL, despite the changes you think you made to it!!!!

Xda-developers is an incredibe resource, but these "so called DEVS" need to differentiate open source from real software development and grow up a little.

There are very talented people here that are not "DEVS" and still contribute to fixes in EVERY ROM. You can't incorporate those fixes and then claim it's your ROM!!!

Time is valuable, but understand those who can't distinguish doing something for enjoyment VS EXPECTING a so called "donation" should never start "DEV'ING" here.
[Vibrant General] Mac11700:
Well said..

Mac
[Vibrant General] LovellKid:
First of all, I just cant believe some people are as disrespectful as they are being in this thread Regardless of kanging or not, he put time into making a ROM which he shared. Why the hell would he pay Samsung for anything? TONS of people make exisiting things better w/out paying the original company. No one forces people to donate, and whether this happened to Master or SOM/Eugene, if they ask for a pre-release not to be released, THEN BE RESPECTFUL.

Really the only people in my mind that can be mad are those that did all the dev'ing (TW/Eugene, Uttermensch, etc) if he did kang work. If you paid for the donation then its your own fault. If I like how a ROM runs, looks, etc. and a dev puts out a pretty consistent amount of updates and improvements, I WILL DONATE, whether its for a pre release or not.

Why not bring some positives into this forum and let the big boys fight their own battles. As you can see, SOM can definitely fight his own battles. At the end of the day, the vibrant is an awesome phone, and I LOVE ANDROID! :)
[Vibrant General] SeanFloyd:
I just was perturbed by master by far being the most annoying non-mod mod I have ever encountered.
[Vibrant General] wtc_bd:
Excellent post and should be included for all NEW Dev to read BEFORE modding a ROM.
[Vibrant General] Mac11700:
I agree...if he asked for it to not be-released since it wasn't finished and just in the testing stage..If it was finished and he had other motives..then that is entirely a different issue isn't it..and should have been dealt with by the administrators..not on the open forum. Discussing what has happened in an adult manner is NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL. Not allowing this adult discussion to take place is CENSORSHIP...When you lock people out..ideas and remedies cannot take place and one cannot learn from this. This community is also for those who can not code or develop a place to learn,just as as well as those who can to teach others how develop and add to the over all experience of XDA.. . I have seen no where in the rules that states otherwise.

Really..what then of all of the testers..and the people in general who helped others to get it loaded and working correctly..or those who just donated to a current rom development, that was given good reviews, from just ordinary folks, out of the generosity of their hearts, knowing full well the developer has invested time and money in that project ? Are their time and efforts and donations to be discounted so easily ? Don't they have a right to voice their opinions..?

Because what has happened effects not only the people on these forum but others as well..and there are more people involved in making a rom successful than just 1 person.

This is a community of many different people of varying backgrounds,nationalities,race,and genders ...not just one developers showroom... and when something like this happens..it's effects are felt all around the forum..and elsewhere.

I'm sorry..but when someone displays the attitude of..."I'm taking my ball and going home " just because a tester leaks something early..and then it's reported by some folks they found out that he was asking for a donation to get it early...something is very wrong with this premise.

Mac
[Vibrant General] wtc_bd:
I think you are missing the point, being disrespectful is ONE thing but having a fit about something that is not YOURS is another. I'm sure the problem is about what he considers disrespect, but there are more than a few people here that have a problem with the whole donate thing. It's a courtesy if people donate. If you come here "donating" your time and ADDING ONTO SAMSUNG'S own code, (which is who actually has the rights to be paid if anyone"), then you come understanding that is SOMEONE else's code you started with and it falls under GPL licensing on this site.

Younger guys have this whole respect/disrespect thing all wrong...many times they confuse certain issues and take offense to things they really have no rights to in the beginning.

There is a maturity in ignoring certain irrelevant comments and letting the supposed "MODERATORS" handle certain things by bringing it to their attention. They are not reading every post of every thread.

So in summary...I see your empathy, but their understanding of what is theirs is flawed from the start. You ACCEPT a donation not EXPECT a donation for your donated time in an open source environment.
[Vibrant General] JeremyNT:
Honestly, at least some of the issues seem to be specific to the Vibrant. The communities around the nexus one and even the i9000 seem to be much more open and helpful. Indeed it seems like most of the best work that gets to the vibrant originated on the i9000 and was adalpted to work here.

I think we have Samsung to blame for this, in part. The sgs phones are a little too different and the community is fragmented. There just isn't a large core group of people working openly on the vibrant, and I think in this environment it's easier to remain insular and secretive, thus you see things like master's pay for a preview racket.

I wish people would be more interested in sharing and collaborating, but that's just not how it is for thiss device. I'm really hoping that CM will come and give us a great, open base to start from, and wipe all this fighting over leaks business away.
[Vibrant General] rsfaze:
that was an awesome post SamsungVibrant.

one thing for the people that still feel like Master has done no wrong, why hasn't here come here to make a statement on any of this, instead he keeps commenting via twitter and his forum on how disrespectful XDA members are. I find his actions only support the facts stated here, shutting down after being called out.
[Vibrant General] wtc_bd:
I think that would just inflame things and keep a dying issue alive. Best to let him prosper or not under his own steam.

He did some incredible things with the Rom version he was working on, but I think it was probably time for him to take his own route. The greatest minds have gone solo, so maybe it will be for him.
[Vibrant General] rsfaze:
You could be right, but if I were him and felt I did no wrong, I wouldn't put my tail between my legs and walk away. I think for the most part people can have a pretty intelligent discussion about the events that have taken place, but maybe Master can't compose himself to do the same.

I tried a few of his releases, they reminded me or TW rom's but with a different theme and animations added in.
[Vibrant General] MilkPudding:
You are really wrong about 3 things. (I'm not flaming you but just pointing them out)

1. You blame Samsung for the dramas on XDA? Really?

2. Galaxy S is the best selling Android phone in many countries, including the US. It even outsells iPhone in Japan. (http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...ne-as-the-best-selling-phone-in-Japan_id14416) So it's user base is diverse and huge. I don't know what you mean by no large core group of people working openly on it.

3. Cyanogen is NOT gonna work on Galaxy S. He has said it specifically in his tweets that he won't be involved because there are way TOO many people working on SGS already.
[Vibrant General] ejamin73:
1. Agree

2. I think he was talking about the Vibrant version

3. That's sad
[Vibrant General] mmas0n:
Errrr, what?

It's going to take a lot of work because Samsung is ass-backwards, but there is active development of CM for the SGS devices. It has been clearly stated that the first step is the GT-I9000, then US variants will follow.
[Vibrant General] ^Fs:
i wonder why ;)
[Vibrant General] pulser_g2:
I sincerely wish I could fit this post in my signature. I've been observing the thread for a while.

To address a couple of points, the owners of xda do not make money out the site. The investment made in infrastructure for us all, to keep a site this large running, is not insignificant.

Nobody sits there behind the scenes, rubbing their hands while watching the cash roll in. I know from running websites myself that it's possible to make a commercially successful site, and a good site, but it's very difficult to do both at the same time.

I am obviously not related or linked to the owners, and this is therefore my personal view on this. But xda is here as a service to the community, not a revenue generating "machine".

But yes, to address the point someone made about the problems being in the vibrant fora, I'd suggest we look at this thread, and congratulate ourselves. This thread has remained remarkably civil, there's factual debate, and opinion, in a respectful manner. This is what we're capable of :)
[Vibrant General] bstromberg:
Totally. Been running cm all day on my vibrant and it rules life hella hard.
[Vibrant General] demize!:
Wasn't too long ago that it was a big deal that XDA was going to accept development on devices other than HTC. Just my $0.02.

Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.
[Vibrant General] rsfaze:
+1 I flashed Euegene's kanged CM 6.1 last night and it's running flawless and talk about fast... never seen anything this fast to date. Love it!
[Vibrant General] BillyDong:
This was really stupid!!!
[Vibrant General] wtc_bd:
Perhaps you could send it to other mods and have them send a memo or PM to have developers sign off and understand this before starting a ROM thread. Also, when a MOD notices activity of donations being pushed rather just merely accepted there maybe should be a private PM with this post attached to them with pointers back to how a ROM thread can be hijacked with the wrong message. You can send them the history of the Axura ROM being shut down...etc.

In the end the Mod's need to take back control of this site.
[Vibrant General] cnewsgrp:
Maybe a better way to control donations is to have a single point of donations => To XDA only. Donors must have the ability to add XDA username in message so that the donation can be channeled to correct person.
[Vibrant General] cnewsgrp:
awesome post
[Vibrant General] pulser_g2:
That's not something we would really want to get involved in. Donations are a transaction between two parties, and it's something the site shouldn't be involved in.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
How about get rid of the Donate to me links and tell them to ask for donations only on their own websites/forums...

This is a forum for collaboration, not a money-making opportunity.
[Vibrant General] pulser_g2:
Without revealing specifics, this incident occurred VERY shortly after we were made aware of the original issue.

If users are breaking the rules, then after verifying the breach is taking place, suitable action will be taken, which could lead to the closure of the ROM threads until they stop selling releases. That's the rules, and they are enforced, though we obviously do not jump into things, and due diligence is observed, which allowed this to flare up before it could be fully investigated.

Nevertheless, the little triangle exclamation point button at the top right of posts should be used to alert us if rule-breaking activity is ongoing, as on such a large site, it's easy for us to miss something. If something like this happens again, I'd ask that you report it, and give us as much notice as possible to try and resolve it amicably, without any one side feeling "hard done by", as obviously the losers in this case are you guys, the users.

The above is not the view of XDA-Developers or its owners, and is solely that of myself.
[Vibrant General] barmanham:
Oh no someone released a Rom you were expecting to milk for awhile. Give me a break have fun with your mt4g you bought with vibrant users donations most likely. why wait for a better phone to come out when you can go try and get money off mt4g then do the.same thing
[Vibrant General] JeremyNT:
Not directly, no. But they're really stingy with source code and their decision to make every SGS variant different has lead to a fragmented development effort. It's a shame that we can't just drop in a ROM between SGS devices and have it work, and that means each device has a smaller community of developers instead of one huge pool. I think it just slows things down in general, and not to mention the lack of official froyo progress has created this competition over leaks to begin with.

As a concrete example, we've already got beta releases of CM out for the I9000, but nothing for the Vibrant yet. The people working on CM have to waste time supporting the different variants, and that can only slow things down.

There's always going to be drama, but I think with a larger community some of the problems would be lessened, or at least less significant - if we had dozens of ROMs to choose from, would anybody ever have paid for Master's specific flavor? And would anybody have cared about leaking it?

I'm referring to the fragmentation, mentioned above, which leads to less work being done specifically for the carrier specific flavors (like the Vibrant). If you look at the I9000 forum, there's a lot more work there than there is in the Vibrant specific section. By splitting up the SGS models as Samsung has done, it reduces the number of people working together. Instead of one mega SGS ROM community, we have it all split 5 ways. I think that's too bad and it slows things down.

Cyanogen himself isn't, but CM is well underway. People are working on it, and I think it's going to be great when it comes out, because it finally puts all the SGS phones on the same base. I know I'm waiting to start really tinkering until we have a CM base; dealing with table scraps from Samsung is just way too frustrating. Having CM out there is going to lower the bar for tinkerers to start getting involved.
[Vibrant General] nomadrider123:
The Donate is getting out of hand. Some ppl here have provided a lot of help or roms and maybe they should have ppl donate to them if they choose. What gets me is so many ppl have this donate it is getting sad. One person had 7 posts and all of them he was asking for help but he still asks for ppl to donate to him? :confused: I know its his right to beg and who ever wants to can give. I think it just weakens the xda. :(
[Vibrant General] ryangera:
Wow. Latest update on masters devs4android site is that they are even shutting that site down" due to disrespect from xda members". Hopefully passive aggressive nonsense gets **** down with it. You would think a geek community would have fewer dramatic types. The rom is nice though, I wont knock that at all.
[Vibrant General] SamVib:
How much you bet, the whole ordeal.. was a setup? Maybe it was masters friend, payed him to leak the rom, just so he gets all the money and doesn't have to steal another rooms?
[Vibrant General] ryangera:
The funny part is to read the tears of the minions pleading to keep up the work. I would love for the rims to keep coming and all, but these people act like he feeds them.
[Vibrant General] lookylookitzadam:
I am still curious to know what the investigation into finding out who received the leaked rom and who leaked the rom involved. Government cant even figure out who hosts copyrighted files and who downloads them without court orders for ISP information and tons of man hours of investigation. This investigation seemingly took 20 minutes? Short of the people involved fessing up, I dont know what possibly could have gone down?

Someone please enlighten me? Plus this whole thing, all of XDA and android, is based on OPEN SOURCE!!!! Do people not get that?
[Vibrant General] Vegastouch:
Well i did start my own thread as suggested and a MOD closed it and said it was off topic. I dont get how it is off topic but whatever.

So ill ask...battery life on Axura 2.1 isnt that great and ive been reading how many have said they have GREAT battery life. So is there something i can do to get better battery life on mine?
[Vibrant General] SamsungVibrant:
I didn't notice any battery life improvements using Axura 2.0.5, but since I flashed the stock Froyo JK6, my battery life is amazing, well not that amazing, but better than ever.

Ya didn't really answer your question though.
[Vibrant General] Vegastouch:
I could try that but with 2.1 i think i already have JK6. At least my baseband has JK6 in it.
[Vibrant General] smashpunks:
donations are retarded. Anyone trying for donations here shouldnt be IMO. Get a job or something, Hell isnt this for fun? why donate anything other than to this site itself to keep running?
[Vibrant General] ryangera:
I flashed the jk6 over 2.1 and am getting seemingly better battery life now. It wasbt good with 2.1 as it came so I did that on a whim last night. No idea why or how it would make any difference at all.
[Vibrant General] Vegastouch:
Just did this so we will see if it is better.

Anybody know how to change the battery symbol and or color around the percent number from a dotted line to a solid or a solid with a different color?