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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] paalkr:
Hi!

I have the Desire, Desire HD and the HD2, and I must say that for speed and stability thay come close all of them. I like the screen of the HD2 best, and the ease of upgrading of course. The biggest issue for android on HD2 is standby time.

If I fully charge the Desire or the Desire HD and don't touch them, they will be "alive" for at least 4 days. The HD2 does not come close, and the problem is to get the HD2 to stick with less then 10 mA battery drain when in standby. The HD2 can "rest" at < 10 mA for hours, but suddenly (and for no particular reason) rises to 50-70 mA drain in standby.

The second issue (not that important though) is the GPS fix time. I have tried all documented tricks for increasing the GPS performance, but nothing seems to change the fact the the HD2 uses around 60 seconds to get a fix. Both the Desire and the Desire HD get quicker fix under the same conditions. If I turn on all tree phones form shut down mode and just launches GPS test, the HD2 always looses the battle.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] casemandan:
Best rom i've tried so far is JDMS 1.6 ... quadrant scores in 2700+... speed demon...

stable data connection with tmobile... 3-5mv in standby mode .. market download speed 3 times quicker than any other rom i've had so far and trust me i've had over 20.... easily go thru the phone battery between a day or day n a half... unless talk a lot than its less than 18 hours but thats still plenty... i wasnt doing much better with windows
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Roxas316:
+1 to this build. Just started using it today and Im seeing great improvements over the other builds. Its now my daily build. My only issue is with data connections, that makes me want an android native. (Thats not so much the builds fault as just the nature of using a ported device)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Spl4tt:
+1 from me too

this is the first build im really using everyday.. this build convinced me in staying android now :3
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 8525_Madness:
I put Froyo on my bro's HD2. It's pretty smooth.

Not as smooth as compared to my EVO running MIUI but nothing that's intolerable.

I'm interested in trying out that JDMS 1.6 ROM out to see how it works.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
Can we just stop with these threads? An official Android phone such as the evo, g2, etc are MUCH FASTER than an hd2. On my HD2, I just got a quandrant score of 2290, but by no means does my phone run as silky smooth as it did when I ran Energy ROM. The reason why official android phones are faster is because they were built specifically for android AND lots of them have much better processors. Also, you cannot compare two unlike concepts. You cannot compare an HD2 that has been hacked and modified to run HD2One 0.3.2b with a stock nexus one and say "OMG my phone is so much better than all android phones and all future android phones." You are an imbecile if you do.

So in conclusion, the hd2 is not faster than most android phones as it android is not native to it, you cannot compare an hd2 with an android build with an out of the box android phone and most importantly, you should stop making such stupid threads.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] markmarkr:
Many people, including many in this thread, disagree with pretty much everything you just said.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kailkti:
The topic of the thread clearly does not say dicussion, it's asking a question. It's asking for how well the hd2 compares to an android phone, whether be worse or better, not "do you think the hd2 is better than official android phones?" so there really is no reason for you to say this thread is useless or stupid on the grounds you're saying it is.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
Apologies. You are right.

The HD2 is not as fast, not as stable compared to "official" Android phones. Similar to a Timex vs Audemars piguet, or Honda Civic vs Ferrari. Just because you can fiddle with a Honda Civic and make it super fast doesn't change that fact that at the end of the day, it's a Honda Civic.

And Mr. JWhipple, I see that you have a G2. I would be willing to bet my life that your G2 blows the hd2 out of the water when it comes to anything but screen size. Unless .6'' in diameter is that much to you, there is no need to even think about jumping ship.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Spl4tt:
:))))

+1

my hd2 is running better than most desires of my friends :))

oh and yea, i have a nexus one too, and my hd2 is as smooth as my nexy on cm6 :)

and thats definitely true! xD
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] demaxmeister:
I would recommend the Core Droid HD 0.3 build to anyone with an hd2. After you give it a while to settle in (dont use a task killer, just let it be for a while) it'll be very fast and responsive + it has got amazing eye candy, the author did an amazing job in themeing it. Battery life isn't that good, but then again, I do use maximum brightness, I overclock, and use WiFi a lot.

Everybody use core droid HD 0.3!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wrecless:
ANYONE running JDMS 1.6.1 will tell you hands down the HD will out perform any native android phone and before you reply to this TRY IT
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] poweroutlet:
Lot's of android phones have faster processors than the HD2?

The HD2 has very impressive hardware especially considering its age. Its processor is just as good as the nexus one, desire, Droid incredible, etc as far as the cpu and has more ram than these devices. At the hardware level, there is nothing fundamentally different about the HD2 when compared to these devices.

The evo 4g's hardware is not superior to the HD2s (unless you are counting a front facing camera as something which boosts your performance, which it certainly does not.) They both have 1 Ghz 1st gen snapdragons and the HD2 has more ram.

Running the newest builds like the JDMS or DS's superRAM, the HD2 can be JUST as quick and smooth as a native android device if not better.

It doesn't matter if the evo or nexus or whatever was designed for android and the HD2 for winmo. There is no snapdragon SOC for winmo or one for android. The hardware is the same and not OS specific. It is entirely possible to make the HD2 fly in android. It is just a matter of providing the proper software and thanks to the awesome devs, we have that now.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Mithrandir007:
You don't seem to know what you're talking about.

You do know that phones like the Evo 4G or any official Android phone are not built for Android, right?

The constructor just develops drivers (software) so that Android can use the hardware of the phone, not the other way around.

What happened with the HD2 is that developers made unofficial drivers so that Android can make use of the hardware of the HD2.

While being a lot of work, it doesn't mean they can't be as good as the official drivers (A good example of this : Chainfire improved the official video drivers for the HD2 to make it better at running Direct 3D and OpenGL), especially when there are Android phones with almost the same hardware (then you can use existing drivers for some hardware parts).

Also, there are still no phones with processors that are much better than the HD2.

The Desire HD has a slightly improved version of the 1ghz Snapdragon powering the HD2, but the difference is not big.

As for the builds, I must say that MDJ Revolution HD 1.2 is about the same speed as my friend's Desire HD (sometimes one or the other has a small lag, but nothing big), except for waking up from standby, which takes 1-2 seconds on the HD2 (but that's the only really noticeable difference I've seen).

It's also very stable, I haven't had to reboot it once since I've installed that version (5 days ago), and the battery lasts about 2 days with moderate use (which is a bit less than the Desire HD, but still enough for me).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
Actually in some sense, the HD2 is superior as it has an additional 64mb RAM, but they pretty much are the same device. I am aware that the HD2 has the same processor as the n1, desire, evo, droid incredible, but they do not load android from a sd card. If you are so sure that our phone runs android faster than them, show/make me a video of an evo 4g running cm 6.1 stable with a bunch of apps and widgets working. I have a hard to believing that my phone which is basically a T mobile variant of an evo (or vice versa) running android on an sd card is faster than a phone that is native to android.

Much better is relative. The 2nd generation snapdragon processor outperforms the 1st generation in every aspect (as it should). Though most won't be able to tell the difference in everyday use, i would say it is more than slightly better. Secondly, show me a video of your friend's Desire HD. Is your friend's Desire HD running Android Revolution HD or Core Droid DHD or a similar ROM? Again, I have a hard time believing that a Desire HD2 is the same speed as a MDJ Revo HD 1.2 when the Desire HD has an improved processor and 700+ mb RAM and has android 2.2 not running on a sd card. Please prove me wrong. If you were able to, i would save myself lots of money by not jumping to a new phone.

JDMS 1.6.1 on the HD2 will outperform ANY native android device? That is a bold statement. You are stating that no android phone that was shipped with android will run faster as the HD2 as of 12/15/2010. A G2 overclocked to 1500-2000 mhz with CM 6.1 stable will not outperform an HD2? I have my doubts. Please do show me. And, I cannot try out other android phones, I can't afford one just yet. Lastly, I bet you your HD2 running JDMS 1.6.1 won't outrun my HD2 with HD2One 0.3.4b.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Mithrandir007:
The Desire HD is most likely faster than the HD2 in applications and games which are really CPU intensive, though the RAM shouldn't make any difference (as long as there is enough RAM to run an application, whether there is 200MB or 400 MB free RAM will not change the performances).

The fact that it runs from a SD card doesn't do much difference either, once it has booted (Android is loaded into the RAM, then almost only uses the SD card when reading loading installed applications or saving something to the "virtual internal memory").

At least, that's what I gathered from the different threads about NAND.

You can check there also, the developers themselves say that the performance won't really increase when Android runs from NAND (besides the boot time of course).

As for the video, I can film the same tests with the 2 devices side by side next time I see my friend.

I think Android on HD2 is fast and stable enough to be ran as main OS without the need of buying a new phone right now, but that's just my opinion :)

I also like being able to update my build with the new version without having to reinstall or reconfigure anything, by keeping my data.img (as long as it's the same type of build).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
I would love to see that video as long as it is a somewhat equal playing field (a modded desire hd 2 that is overclocked the same and running a similar build, I'd prefer cyanogen mod because that us always built well). And by no means am I saying that android for the hd 2 is not stable enough for everyday use, it is. I just don't believe it is as stable as an evo or a similar or better phone.

Lastly, they are working on"old nand" for the hd 2, whatever that means. for all the time and effort they are pouring into it, it doesn't seen like that much of an improvement.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] RunNgun42:
When running Android on HD2 you always know you're running a port. You are aware that this OS was not meant for this phone. But you use it anyway because it is vastly superior to WinMo and a wholly enjoyable experience. Plus the ability to try on new flavors of Froyo at any given moment is a joy. I have seen bugs come and go, and they are a constant reminder that I am running a port. Personally I'm ready to move on from the HD2, and will probably get a Nexus S so that I can once and for all enjoy Android without any issues whatsoever, and be treated to the latest versions *officially* supported, and not waiting for some guy to release version 10 of his hack.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] RoZm X:
I can see everything on my screen pretty damn well in the sun (living in the sunshine state of florida) the screen is sexy no doubt about it... But the lag isn't even that bad stock.... Running newer froyo roms will totally fix that.. My gps locks in two secs... And battery life on moderate use with the right kernel.. You can push 2 complete days!!

Don't see how you spent a lot of time fixing lag. It took me a few clocks with oclf app. you'd spend more time getting android on your hd2..

The hd2 is awesome on android.. it's smooth and the feel of the phone is great..

I just bought a case for my phone. Feels prefect now..

it's really preference though

Vibrant + Macnut R14 + Super IO kernel + Black Theme = Pure Awesomeness
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
Let me know how it is. With that phone,i can't get over the fact that it doesn't have an expandable sd card slot, hspsa+
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ocm7:
It means the Nand used on the HD2 has relatively slow read/write speeds compared to newer phones. Thus, quadrant will deliver a smaller score, but then again who really cares about benchmarks, if it runs fast and smooth thats good enough for me (and it does). So to answer the threads main question from my perspective: If you are short on cash and want a stable android phone go ahead and get the HD2, i did and i dont regret it one bit.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] NeYo011:
Why are you talking behalf jdms if you did not even try it? Try that build first and make a valid statement. Ive tried EVERY SINGLE build and used all of them 24 hours with heavy usage, JDMS outstanded ALL OFF THEM and performed better than all of them.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
I have tried it, not a whole fan of the ultimate droid theme but it was fast. But with hd one, my launcher pro doesn't randomly crash and leap actually works. And jds is not as smooth as hd one. Have you tried mdj glacier build or the froyo z build? You must have a lot of time on your hands to try EVERY SINGLE one.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xanaviarai:
HD2 is baller. Everyone asks "is that the EVO?" I say nope, custom baby

I got an HD2 so I could have everything I wanted in a phone at the time.

WinMo for WM crap (Mapping software for the boonies)

4.3 inch LCD

Snapdragon

512MB RAM

Solid build quality

T-Mobile HSPA

WM acts like a backup OS :)

Only downside is non removable SD and the boot time.

Even battery is decent when I run a ROM that can sleep at 6mA.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Spl4tt:
I tried HD2One too exactly before JDMS.

HD2One sucked.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
You definitely installed it incorrectly
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DeoreDX:
I've had several of the TMO Android phones. G1. Vibrant. MT3G. The Android experience on the HD2 is far superior to any of the ARM11 phones, which is a given. I put it on par with the Vibrant as far as smoothness of the day to day operations. I can't really say one is appreciably faster than the other. The Vibrant does get better battery life but it also has a 15000mah battery compared to 1230mah. Only noticable hicup in day to day operation is the occasional data drop, though that has gotten much better than from the earlier builds.

I will say the biggest advantage to the HD2 right now is being able to quickly try out new builds of android without having to overwrite your current config. Just keep multiple microsd cards and no need to overwrite the current build you are using if you want to try something new. Also I have found that MicroSD cards really play a huge role in the performance of android on my phone, and you cannot go by card class as to which card will perform the best. I had 4 microsd cards and I tested them against each other with identical Android builds after formatting and found that my Class4 and Class6 caards (A PNY and a Sandisk) were the worst performers as far as boot speed and power usage. With my PNY Class4 it was almost triple the boot time as the Samsung I am currently using and with identical builds would never drop below 50mah battery drain on standy when all my others would routinely get 6-7mah on standby.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
Was/is your vibrant rooted with a froyo ROM on it?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DeoreDX:
No it was factory stock.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thihaz:
you are wrong

so far, HD2One is one of the best.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] NovicHD2:
For me MDJ FroYo Sense Revolution v.1.7 is good nice looking and solid battery life (in stand by 5-7mA) also it is fast and dont have bugs on it, JDMS is fast but i had to many "force close" situations and I like htc sense, desire HD builds for me are the best looking builds but with them I had bad battery life, if someone know good HD build with solid battery let me know I will try until then I will use sense revolution 1.7.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
Don't you think it is a little unfair to compare two so unsimilar things? Though I think my point stands by itself if a stock android 2.1 vibrant is almost as fast as a tricked out HD2.

That was my point. At this point, MDJ, HDONE and JDS are all so fast, you can't really pick which one is faster. Too bad D4rk sorrow, neyo011, wrecless are too blind to see that.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mcbyte_it:
I have HD2 loaded with Desire HD android build (the one with new initrd) since a week or so, and it is great: works fine, not much lag, data connection ok, speed is fine, everything as i like it.

Today i had the opportunity to try a HTC Desire HD device in a store, and its Android build seems slower compared to mine !!!! scrolling apps list has much lags, while mine is better. Screen size is the same, quality maybe HD is a bit better.

the only good point with Desire HD is the touch capacitive buttons.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
Yet the HD2 is hacked and optimized by the members of xda developers and the Desire HD on display is not. Read post 52.

Btw, I know some Honda civics that are faster than Ferraris.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Once you root and modify the desire HD instead of running stock like the display is, it will run much better and faster than any hd2 build can. All phones are like that, that's why this site is so popular... you can't judge a phone by how it runs on stock. Your hd2 is not running stock, so it shouldn't be compared to a android device running stock. My friend has an original desire that will beat any of our hd2 builds, but he rooted and tweaked it to run like that, just like our hd2 builds are rooted and tweaked.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deckoff:
Well I am the happy owner of both Desire HD and HD2.

1. I don't think HD2 outperforms desire he. Definately.

2. I used to run an SD card build on HD2 and had some bugs,screen taking a few seconds to turn on, some Apps crushing all the time... so I wanted to sell it and and get a cheaper android phone - the bugs were driving me crazy. It might have been the ed card, the build, who knows

3 I installed superRam build on HD2 and everything, I mean everything is running so smooth and stable that I ain't selling anymore.

4 both phones perform the same way now - I mean phone quality , stability and angry birds;-) I haven't tried with some processor intensive apps and games :-)

Conclusion: HD2 does not outperform the best android devices, but is on the same level with them, with the right build.

I hope this post helps in a way
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] RunNgun42:
Well I would just like to retract everything I said disregarding the HD2 as nothing more than a "port". I got my hands on a Nexus S and must say I was very disappointed. The LED screen really did nothing for me, and I found my HD2 to playback the same videos at even better quality. I know this sounds odd, but somehow the HD2 just looked richer to me. Perhaps it was the extra screen space, which was VERY noticeable, or maybe I just run my HD2 brighter than stock NS phones. Either way, the NS just felt like a huge downgrade to be honest. The plasticky feel of a samsung was also really getting to me. Furthermore, I have really come to love HTC sense, and stock gingerbread felt rather vanilla to me, as if something was missing. Integrating the new ginger keyboard + wallpapers really made my HD2 feel next gen.

All in all, I love my HD2 more than ever now, and am an HTC convert for life after this event!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] NovicHD2:
Which superRam build you use darkstone or? I want to try RAM version so info will be good dont want to try several to find the best.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deckoff:
1.5 SuperRam version. Are there any newer already???

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=870518

2.12 s/t radio and 6.5.3 ROM ( the ones Darkstone states he uses with his SuperFroyo 3.2 build, not the ones he is speaking bout now)

8 GB Kingston SD Card

Do not know which of these parameters affects performance...

I hope you are happy with performance as much as I am. The only thing I miss is Sense, All thanx to Darkstone!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] NovicHD2:
Thank you for the answer I will try that built but also I love Sense so I will see overall how is it. Again thanks. ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JWhipple:
Ok folks - how's it looking now with the NAND builds? :-)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kailkti:
Well running on Cotulla's desire build, and it runs super smooth, i haven't experienced any hiccups. Download speeds are super fast, i'm getting like 500+KB/s for downloads, battery is great for everyone else. There is only one con i find and that is storage, which is to be expected since we only have 512, so i had to delete some system stuff i don't need to make way for apps. xD
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JWhipple:
I found an HD2 on Craigslist last night for cheap, decided since this BIG development of NAND came out, it was time to get hands on with one and play with it. I'll be meeting the seller in 15 minutes.

I want to thank everyone who has provided all the feedback on this thread - I feel like I can walk into this purchase an educated man!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] saurabh88:
yup.i just switched to monster leo.u must hurry
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JWhipple:
Flashing it right now - flash is SLOW but steady.
[Captivate General] p1p3l1n3r205:
ok, I've given up on trying the wireless. can someone walk me thru usb tethering? I simply dont have the knowledge or the help to do wireless, and im afraid of any damage i may cause that i wont be able to undo. so please, someone, a quick hand? I know the usb is much easier and safer for me, and alot less chance of causing myself problems i know I don't have the sense to fix.
[Captivate General] peachpuff:
Download easy tether from the market, then install the app from easy tether's website to the laptop that you want to share bandwidth with and connect the phone to the laptop and that should be it.