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[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
Looks like it's time to uninstall k9 mail then. Or at least try and track down the bug and fix the problem. :)
[Nexus One General] khaytsus:
Couple of megs every few SECONDS?? Very, very doubtful. Can you upload a screenshot that isn't a 100 pixel thumbnail?

I can't imagine K9 doing ANY such thing anyway...
[Nexus One General] KAwAtA:
+1 !

I wish my home internet could even upload a few megs every few seconds. I never knew 3G was that damnnn fast. This almost beats my download speeds of 1.2MB/s!

I'm also with Rogers and gone over my plan. They WILL do something about it unless you have no idea what you're doing. I used to work for them and if you said what you're telling us here, I wouldn't credit you for anything because that's BS.

I don't wanna sound like an ass but you seem like a troll or just completely tech illiterate. You can't even post a picture correctly. You really think we can all read that?

I don't know what you mean by every few sec, so lets be safe and say 10 sec you do a mb. One minute and you're at 6mb. Therefore one day and you'll be uploading about 8gbs/day. Even if you upload a mb per minute, that still seems ridiculous. Everything you've told us so far sounds impossible. Especially since it's an email app (I'm assuming that's what K-9 is). This beats me tethering. I have a limit of 105 gigs per month on my rogers home internet cable and what your phone is using, passes that limit which is IMPOSSIBLE. You clearly are

a) trolling

b) doing something but too phone/tech/computer illiterate to know what you're doing

Suggestions: Don't get a smartphone
[Nexus One General] khaytsus:
KAwAtA,

Your rude was at an 11, we need you more at a 4.

Anywho.. I think there's just some confusion going on.. K9 sending a few K a second every NOW and then I could maybe see.. although I doubt even that.. It'll sleep for up to 26 minutes by default on IDLE, so if no email, it's making zero data calls for up to 26 minutes, then it does an IDLE call to keep the connection alive. Now I've never actually monitored this, but I'm sure I could look in my mail logs to see, although I get mail enough that I doubt it'd be easy to find a 26 minute lull.
[Focus General] denispage:
I've tested sound quality in HTC HD7 and is much better, because of sound enhancer. Is there any way to improve it on focus?
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
RE: ▽▲ AXURA Vibrant Edition ▼△ Development Stopped.

First I'd like to say that was a punk move. Secondly, there's plenty of other great ROMs out there. I'm not sad, nor upset. I'm not going to kiss Master's ass. (I'm a software developer, I could take my own time to do this same ****) I'm also not going to flame or trash him (That'd be a waste of bandwidth and time). :confused:

The politics on these forums is ridiculous. You get something for free and then everyone *****es when things don't go their way. Devs take their personal time to provide you with something 'cool' or 'different' and you have a few select people ruining it for others. I don't 100% agree with 'Donating' to get 'early releases', but whatever. It is what it is. I'll roll with 2.0.6 AKA Axura Final until I get bored or something different catches my eye.

I'll admit, I really liked the theming done to it. I'm so sick of black and stupid ugly colors (I have a bit of a desiger background) that a lot of people call 'cool' or thinks 'looks great!'. And after searching for a ROM that didn't look like total ****, I actually considered getting involved in the theming community. We'll see.

Haters will hate. :(
[Vibrant General] itskohler:
I'm just taken away by this, I go out to eat with ole girl, come back and everything is stopped. I'm keeping 2.1 one for a while now, its destined to be a relic. But it is a damn good ROM, and skoal had to **** it up for everyone. I am sure he has recieved TONS of PMs from pissed off followers of Master, and rightfully so. However, I will not partake in anything like that.

I'm hoping this is just a phase that will blow over. Master came out of no where, it a place dominated by the "heavy hitters" and made a name for himself.
[Vibrant General] couped:
Good, mature post.

When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
[Vibrant General] xtremekilla09:
I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.

How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)

You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).

I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
[Vibrant General] itskohler:
Its not all WHAT was done, but what was SAID, and how it went down. Blatant disrespect.
[Vibrant General] razormy:
+1

When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.

I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
+1

Exactly my thoughts.
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.

There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.

Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)

Meh... :|
[Vibrant General] Alien1099:
It is a shame. While I wasn't going to donate to get a pre-release copy, I was going to donate after the final version was released assuming it worked fine as a thank you for his hard work (I had a few issues with 2.05 and was waiting before flashing again).

It is his right though, even if it is confusing when considering the circumstances of how these types of ROMs got started in the first place.
[Vibrant General] kingrat:
This forum is so crappy now..

everyone wants rewarded and begs for money

Master I thought was the worse...
[Vibrant General] ryangera:
Agreed. Thanks for this thread. I hated reading the last one because of all the nonsense. A new rom will come and the fools will be foolish.
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
Let's not trash talk or name names... ok?
[Vibrant General] oka1:
problem with forums like this

The problem with forums like this is they break out something like this:

10% 12-18

40% 19-26

40% 27-45

10% 46-60+ (where I fall into)

So, since age and maturity is the problem (or lack of maturity) there is no way to regulate that, not in an open forum....we are just left to self regulation........and as such, it will always be imperfect.

What is important is to be respectful and mature in the treatment (doing what they ask) of each other. The leaked rom from one friend to another is not really the core issue...........it is the public proclamation "Hey I got over on you" that demonstrates both the lack of respect and lack of maturity. This adolescent behavior (which the guilty one thinks is cute) damages our experience in this forum or in other forums. A Shame really.......
[Vibrant General] ebatr8:
This forum gets ridiculous full of ungrateful people it really ruins development of great phones, people start to think they deserve something that was given out of good faith to help them hence original 2.2 leak
[Vibrant General] smashpunks:
Lets see if I can say this without sounding rude... Fok master, do the **** your self, a lot of his **** is off leaked stuff and others work...

he should be happy someone wanted his **** that bad...

By the way donating for a early release isn't a donation, thats a payment..... Never using his rom again, imma go stock and make the rom myself, you all could to its simple....

EDIT: Hell I remember when Master was trying to over run BIONIX lol Dude was all in their business... Trying to side help their ****. Man common Master, This is a punk move, for this You will never get a second look from me... Peace man, Just needed them donations/ Payments huh
[Vibrant General] KerryG:
Not allowing people to distribute his ROM is a violation of the GPL. He may ask, but he has no basis to. He built a ROM based on pre-released code and Open Source code and has no valid position to stop the same. Sure, he can get pissy if people do, that is certainly his right, but the moment he makes it available to anyone that person clearly has the right to distribute it unless it has actual proprietary software on it.

The person asking was within their rights

The person who gave it out was within their rights

Master getting pissed and stopping further development for people exercising their rights is completely within his rights.

Life goes on, shame, I was waiting for 2.1, time to move on.
[Vibrant General] Jackdog89:
I've seen you in Master's thread, you've contributed nothing but disrespect and you're part of the reason he closed his thread.

FYI, Master isn't discontinuing development. He is choosing not to share with XDA. Anyone that is interested in his work can still find it on his forum.

Seems a lot of Devs are keeping their work on their own sites. From what I've seen on this site in the last few weeks, I don't blame them.
[Vibrant General] Joshochoa187:
I think it's messed up for those that paid for his roms now to get no support.
[Vibrant General] jnutz:
First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.

Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.

This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.

So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.

I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!
[Vibrant General] Jackdog89:
I couldn't agree more.
[Vibrant General] Keslynn:
There are tons of posts on improving battery life. If you run a search you will find the answers to most of your questions.

Also if you're new to custom ROMs, perhaps it would be better to run one with active support.
[Vibrant General] phattchumpy:
People code and tinker for other reasons than money sometimes, especially if they're good at it. That doesn't mean they don't gain something from it.
[Vibrant General] theimpaler747:
Please keep all vulgarity out of here please; if you want to complain, make a point, or defend it, feel free. However, it is not acceptable to use vulgarity on this forum. Thank you
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
Yeah, this thread wasn't meant for that.

It is what it is. I'm over it already :) I've moved on. I wish OP's could close their own threads :P
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
+1

Yeah I got the paid version just for that feature too!
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
+1+1+1

From what I recall of XDA back in the day was if you wanted to hack something, you came here for the How-to. Everyone shared information and whatever else that came with hacking whichever device. Kinda seems like thing are shifting to the "My ROM is more Elite than yours" and lack of sharing how to fixed GPS with ROM version X.

Things aren't like they used to be.
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
I couldn't agree more. You don't see this sort of behavior with CyanogenMod community. So I'm a little taken back by what I've witnessed here with the Vibrant ROM community. :(
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
Well, the begger who finally had someone give him 2.1 didn't need to come on here and say "Well, I got 2.1" That's a punk move too. If someone leaked that stuff to you, STFU about it. We wouldn't even be discussing this now.. Ya know? :)
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
I was hoping it would stay civil and mature. Thanks to everyone keeping it level and not turning this into a playground :P
[Vibrant General] Captainkrtek:
Discussion closed as per OP's request
[Vibrant General] badaphooko01:
What happen exactly? Or where can I read what happen? I personally like Axura's roms and switch between his and Eugenes every so often. Geez I'm gone for a few days and I miss everything.
[Vibrant General] ebatr8:
My thoughts exactly
[Vibrant General] joe.kerwin:
Y'all need to wake up. Master is trying to make money off all you idiots that install his rom and say WOW THIS IS AWESOME when the only changes are theme related. Think about it. The first release was great then he pretty much waited for other devs to solve problems like mms and sd mount. Incorporates fixes others made and then asks for donations. 2.1 is theming and a JK6 modem you can flash yourself. So it's ridiculous he expects to control the internet and its users just to protect his money flow off others hard work. He themes it up adds a fancy change log I mean have any of you actually dissected his changelog? It's 90%+ stuff you can do yourself with fixes posted in development and not performance related theme changes.
[Vibrant General] wannagofast:
If these themers/devs/chefs want to move all the action to their own websites that's their prerogative. But, I hope they all remember where they got their start/notoriety, and without xda we probably would not even know they exisited.
[Vibrant General] smashpunks:
exactly, Hell I could make a rom and post it here. lol Then ask for donations and you only get the newest version if you donate, but the newest version aint nothing that the version before had, hell maybe even more bugs now. lol

Yup, he made mad money off yall, I was watching page after page people going I donated can I get a PM please, Etc. over and over lol Dude worked yall over, I bet My rom out of stock Jk6 will be better.. Meh, master who ? lol
[Vibrant General] jnutz:
I agree just about anything being done with current ROMs I could do myself very easily. I am highly skilled and most of this stuff is very simple. But I value my time more and so I sling TW a few bucks and they do it for me. You are assuming here that the reason everyone doesn't create their own ROMs is because they can't. When I am sure there is a large group of people like me that are more than capable but just don't have time or value their time more than a $10 bill.

If you are going to waste even 30 minutes doing something you could have gotten for a few bucks then you are either a tight wad or you don't place any value on your time. Think about it.
[Vibrant General] renocivik:
+10 - glad Master is outta here...

what got me with him was when someone was piecing together his own rom.. taking parts from each vibrant rom... to create a rom for himself.. which he decided to share... and master got but hurt and demanded he stopped using anything from axura.... funny thing is he didnt want donations like master did.. its funny how sombionix creates an sdfix and master expects a donation
[Vibrant General] phattchumpy:
When I originally purchased my first mytouch I did it because of my passion for FOSS and linux, the idea of running an open platform on my phone sounded like paradise compared to apple's 'walled garden'. When google ordered cm to hault unauthorized distribution of proprietary software this very forum was almost unanimously outraged at google's audacity and greed. Since then the roms have continued to flow and the custom rom community has thrived. Let's not get it twisted, a 'donation' required to obtain software is a license fee.

I fully understand the amount of free time that rom devs are required to commit to these projects. That being said, hijacking open source code and slapping a price tag on it (albeit after a significant investment of resources) is counter to the FOSS culture and behavior indicative of bad citizenship in the open source community.

Donations are great but the roms themselves need to be free as in beer or the community will suffer.
[Vibrant General] renocivik:
thought about it... how does it save time? whether you flash a sd fix.. or a jk6 modem or whatever... its gonna take LESS time than flashing a whole rom..
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
Yeah, I was going to say, there seems to be a lot of teams/devs pulling things from XDA to their own forums/servers. Doesn't matter to me. I just hate having to register for 5 other forums. Ahhh well! Whatever. :p
[Vibrant General] jnutz:
In that case it is nothing but their fault they got taken advantage of. If they paid more than they were getting in return and allowed their money to be taken like that then they are suckers. Can't blame an enterprising guy for exploiting natural resources like stupidity and ignorance. Seriously...

I am very discriminating about who I donate to as you will see if you check a couple of my recent posts where I grilled someone over where the donation money was going. If the cause is just and I feel they deserve it I give in the amount I feel they deserve. My donation is proportionate to the value it adds to my phone and the time it saves in my day.
[Vibrant General] icebrkr:
+1 Nicely put

Yeah, donations.. Buy me a beer/coffee.. Send me a post-card from your area.. Whatever.. That's how you show appreciation for someones time and hard work. Even if it was hacking pieces together, it was the right pieces to make nicely put together package.

I might be a little bias, but I think Cyanogen has to right model. He doesn't really seem to do it for the fame or the attention. I think he does it for the fun of it and for the open-source community. That's a lot of what the Linux world is about too. What I see here is a bunch of people teaming together or a single dev looking to put their name out there and try to become King **** on Turd Island. It's not 1989 anymore and Elite BBS/WaReZ Groups/ANSi Dudes are dead. No one cares anymore. If you're going to provide something for the community do it because you want to. Maybe you started out coding your own stuff and you want others to have it. JUST BECAUSE. Not because you want to make a dime or be a name in the community. That's where 'these kids these days' have it all wrong. (Damn, I'm get'n old) Also: GET OFF MY LAWN!! :D
[Vibrant General] tonie972:
Some of you guys need to think about this. First it was 1-2 days it will go to public after the donators then he saw a lot of people starting to pay then he changed to 4 days, and stop the change log. Does that raises a flag to some of u guys? Anything involve money will likely to go wrong. Master saw money coming in and got greedy. He delayed the release day and get money from those impatience people. Having said that I still thank him for putting there rom out there, however he let the money controlled his greed.
[Vibrant General] kingrat:
I don't mean any disrespect at all. I know that he has done a lot of work and I have donated to him twice.

but at some point when people start saying that I fixed this and that and donate and you can get the next version then it starts to turn into a selling thing.

I thought most people developed and made ROMs as a hobby and to share their work not as a business.

somewhere it turned into a business with everyone.
[Vibrant General] kingrat:
i agree

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[Vibrant General] Alex530:
Well look on the brightside. There's much more info on making roms and themeing them yourselves. Plus there seems to be a whole bunch of new devs, they don't even require donations. Or you could continue with axura. Just start off eugenes kernel and rom. Add a few simbionixs fixes and stuff change the colors here and there and voila you got your self an axura rom. No disprespect intended but its the truth

Sent from the Bermuda Triangle.
[Vibrant General] jnutz:
But you are still thinking they are charging for the software when that isn't really the case. Think of it as if you paid someone to install Ubuntu on your computer and get all your applications and everything setup and working perfectly. Not because you can't but just because you value your time more and don't have a day to spend doing that crap. I work on computer all damn day and when I am not at work I prefer to be out in the desert raising hell on my dirt bike. I just don't feel like putting my own ROM together so I am glad someone else is willing to do it for me. If they want a few bucks in return I am all for it because I get to go out riding my dirt bike instead of sitting at home trying to fix bugs with my phone.

That is actually a service that many companies offer and it is perfectly legit. People sell support services for other companies software all the time. Why is it suddenly so wrong for people to do it here?

I think the people complaining in this thread about a piddly donation of a few dollars are probably also the same kind of people that download pirated software and movies. Everyone's time is worthless but their own and they complain if someone actually expects to be compensated for providing them with a service.
[Vibrant General] wannagofast:
This is, for the most part, what I was trying to say in the other thread.

So, have you verified what Master does with his donation income? Master could be Bin Ladin himself? Not trying to be a jerk towrds you, but how are the two circumstances any different? No samfirmware leaks = no new firmware for people like Master to work with = being stuck with firmware updates OTA and firmware being pulled of the phone. I kind of like being able to have fun with firmware early, or even at all like JI2 or JI4.
[Vibrant General] phattchumpy:
Agree that what you described would be legit, it also comes with baggage such as liability and proper compensation/recognition of upstream efforts. It would also never be legit when the foundation of your services is 'leaked' software. A slippery slope and like I said, bad for the community.

I also completely agree that paying a few bucks is well worth an exchange for time, but when there was an outcry against google's cease and desist it was in the name of openness...not retail.
[Vibrant General] anthonys2r:
Just hope he never becomes a software developer. He got hit by a dose of reality (that things wont always go your way, and in this case, leaked software). Rather than facing whats inevitable, he shy'd away from it and backed down.

Its like a kid that just got bullied and is never returning to the playground because it doesn't fit him
[Vibrant General] gfropr:
I'm thinking its time to get a Mytouch 4G, the Vibrant section is full of bratty developers who complain and whine about ignorant people on their threads then jump ship (to get more $) I'm sick of this vibrant anyways, the only good thing about it is the screen, hardware wise HTC FTW!
[Vibrant General] Vegastouch:
Yeah, getting a MT4G will solve that problem .....lol

It will be more of the same.